| 00:00.43 | Fisker | i love you Kraps |
| 00:01.13 | Kraps | i dont like random people on steam giving me friend invites k? |
| 00:01.29 | Fisker | ;3= |
| 00:01.30 | Fisker | ? |
| 00:01.55 | Thunder_Child | you know, pally buffs need to be reworked |
| 00:02.31 | Thunder_Child | they need to be cast based on primary spec |
| 00:02.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: you mean so i dont have to bitch 3 times for shaman to get kings? >< |
| 00:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | pally buffs suck still, but at least they aren't every 5 minutes anymore. |
| 00:03.14 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, no so i am not casting the same thing on the tank and healer |
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| 00:06.00 | Cide | you need to stop bitching and cast it single target again |
| 00:06.45 | ZorbaTHut | they just need to make pallypower built into the client |
| 00:06.54 | ZorbaTHut | alternatively, it should be mandatory for every paladin ever |
| 00:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | I did see GC say something recently about them thinking about a paladin buffing in the native UI for cataclysm |
| 00:08.14 | ZorbaTHut | any situation where a UI mod is near-necessary for proper play is a situation where Blizzard has screwed things up. |
| 00:09.01 | Sesshu | how can i use a font template like GameFontNormal in a fontstring in lua? |
| 00:10.31 | Sesshu | any idea? |
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| 00:12.39 | Kraps_ | http://img.waffleimages.com/b90b417e9bd09c164da74b2ec40cda52fded3e2c/blood-elf-cheerleaders.jpg |
| 00:13.34 | Sesshu | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_I6-Bv-p_j7U/Sk-qOnkyAkI/AAAAAAAABEE/r7WVsZjE5Gc/s1600-h/playgnome.jpg |
| 00:14.20 | Kraps_ | Fisker: what are you playing? |
| 00:16.19 | Kraps_ | HH drops ilvl 200 :( |
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| 00:16.47 | mikma | is good |
| 00:17.50 | kunwon1 | is there an api function to change an actionbar button to a different ability |
| 00:18.06 | mikma | yes there is |
| 00:18.20 | kunwon1 | what might that be mikma? |
| 00:18.31 | mikma | i have no idea, kunwon1 |
| 00:18.38 | mikma | SetAttribute perhaps |
| 00:18.43 | kunwon1 | k thx |
| 00:18.49 | Kraps_ | Greater Blessing of Sanctuary - Now increases your strength by 10% as well. |
| 00:19.44 | Kraps_ | Level 1 characters no longer start with food or water in their inventory. |
| 00:20.03 | Lopeppeppy | Aw, suckage for truly new players. |
| 00:20.17 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, you get food and water from quests anyway |
| 00:21.28 | Sesshu | wtb an answer |
| 00:21.31 | Sesshu | :) |
| 00:21.58 | Fisker | yo mom Kraps |
| 00:22.08 | Fisker | or "Wii Pillowfight Hero Plus" |
| 00:22.27 | Fisker | didn't even know you had me on your friendslist etc. |
| 00:22.52 | Kraps_ | damn i just got spoiled |
| 00:22.55 | mikma | kraps_: that sanctuary thing is good actually |
| 00:23.34 | Kraps_ | Fisker: no i'm in the channel group |
| 00:23.53 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, pally power still doesnt help with what i was bitching about |
| 00:24.35 | olafski | throwing the food and water away is the first thing I do when I get a new char oO |
| 00:24.40 | olafski | as well as removing auto attack from the bar ;p |
| 00:25.04 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, well, at least it'll let you put all the buffs up in 10-minute form |
| 00:25.12 | ZorbaTHut | which is enough to win or wipe on the vast majority of boss fights |
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| 00:25.50 | ZorbaTHut | I sorta wish they'd just turn all buffs into auras |
| 00:25.54 | Kraps | olafski: thats probably why many new caster players melee their targets |
| 00:25.56 | ZorbaTHut | nobody anywhere enjoys reclicking the "buff" button |
| 00:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | Hated being a paldin in 5 minute buff land |
| 00:26.12 | olafski | kraps: meh, at lvl 1 your mana regenerates as fast as your health |
| 00:26.12 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, true, but thats not something i should have to deal with |
| 00:26.19 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: i had that thought ages ago |
| 00:26.44 | Thunder_Child | what would be the range of the aura? |
| 00:26.57 | Kraps | olafski: i meant the attack toggle |
| 00:27.30 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, infinite in instances, 50-100yd outside instances |
| 00:27.49 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, well thats going to mess up BG's |
| 00:28.01 | ZorbaTHut | not that much. people will just all be buffed. |
| 00:28.13 | Kraps | i was thinking they should only be auras in raids |
| 00:28.17 | ZorbaTHut | (more so than right now) |
| 00:28.20 | Wobin | in the same theme as piano stairs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbEKAwCoCKw |
| 00:28.49 | Kraps | and when you selfbuff |
| 00:28.53 | ZorbaTHut | and honestly I am not too worried about accidentally upsetting the painstaking precise balance of current battlegrounds |
| 00:29.03 | Adys | I wanna ask |
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| 00:29.27 | Adys | how many people actually figured out that Seaforium was a pun on C4? |
| 00:29.35 | kd3 | raises his hand |
| 00:29.42 | NightHawkTheSane | o/ |
| 00:29.47 | NightHawkTheSane | like, a long time ago |
| 00:30.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah a really really long time ago |
| 00:31.58 | Kraps | DO YOU HAVE THIS IN A BRUSHED NICKET (sic) FINISH..I HAVE A MODEL #87006.SL..AND HOW MUCH TO SHIP TO TORONTO CANADA... |
| 00:32.18 | Kraps | DUDE IS YOUR SHIFT KEY BROKEN |
| 00:32.48 | Sesshu | youre talking with yourself? |
| 00:32.53 | Adys | they translated it as Hydroglycerine |
| 00:32.58 | Kraps | can i refuse to sell based on caps? |
| 00:41.33 | Kraps | hay look a game based on Saw http://store.steampowered.com/app/27300/ |
| 00:41.38 | bleeter | so did they bump the Headless Horseman to 80? 'coz the game's still handing out the 'go kill the HH @ SM' quest to 70+'s |
| 00:42.04 | olafski | yes, 80 |
| 00:42.09 | olafski | just did him 10 times.. boooored |
| 00:42.37 | bleeter | so if the leadin quest is 70, wonder if the daily's 80.. hmmm |
| 00:42.41 | olafski | raises hand at adys |
| 00:42.57 | olafski | seemed quite obvious to me adys :P |
| 00:43.04 | olafski | especially with the word "charge" behind it |
| 00:43.19 | Sesshu | the headless horseman was questing too when wotlk was released |
| 00:43.30 | bleeter | Adys: any engi worth their salt... ;) |
| 00:43.52 | mikma | http://open.spotify.com/track/7M8sOro6vmhw4gts6orQ3e |
| 00:44.22 | mikma | <3 that part from 6min -> |
| 00:44.32 | Sesshu | what is that? |
| 00:44.48 | Wobin | ever since I saw MacGuyver I understood the Seaforium joke |
| 00:45.10 | Wobin | wtf is spotify? |
| 00:45.29 | Wobin | "Why is Spotify not available in my country?" |
| 00:45.31 | Wobin | fail |
| 00:46.11 | Sesshu | If Spotify did not open the requested resource, please click on the link above. |
| 00:46.11 | bleeter | Sesshu: i guess it would've been |
| 00:46.11 | Wobin | woohoo! |
| 00:46.11 | Wobin | finally got the wave invite |
| 00:46.11 | Adys | Wobin: grats |
| 00:46.20 | Sesshu | *click* -> firefox can't open |
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| 00:46.54 | Lopeppeppy | spotify is like hulu, as I understand |
| 00:47.13 | Adys | also |
| 00:47.16 | Adys | its spelled MacGyver |
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| 00:47.35 | Wobin | Adys, yeah, I was just reading about anime |
| 00:47.40 | Wobin | so got mixed up =P |
| 00:48.07 | mikma | wobin: spotify is the best thing from sweden after piratebay |
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| 00:49.57 | Cide | yesss |
| 00:51.06 | Wobin | now I just need people to Wave at =P |
| 00:51.24 | mikma | waves at wobin |
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| 00:55.14 | Adys | Wobin: see pms |
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| 01:01.33 | Thunder_Child | Adys, i think Wobin knows what pms is |
| 01:03.35 | Wobin | =( |
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| 01:31.58 | kd3 | anyone on the ptr got the reporting UI working? my tools say it's in the mpqs but I don't see it. |
| 01:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | Great advertising for Family Weekend at the college... a cabbie apparently assaulted a student last night. Great timing, with hundreds of parents in town to complain. |
| 01:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, is Facebook flaking out on anyone else? It seems to think that it's Tuesday again all of a sudden. |
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| 02:00.01 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/tag/record-store |
| 02:01.12 | Thunder_Child | did they change the BG brackets yet or is that 3.3? |
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| 02:05.08 | Kraps | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2272094&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=6298174767&aid=-1&id=750702195&oid=6298174767#/photo.php?pid=35747403&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=6298174767&aid=-1&id=3425785&oid=6298174767 |
| 02:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 02:06.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to be at this party: http://www.flickr.com/photos/61925088@N00/4018224835/in/set-72157622602318604/ |
| 02:07.11 | Kraps | out of your league bro |
| 02:08.08 | Kraps | besides those photos are touched up |
| 02:09.20 | NightHawkTheSane | riiiiiight. |
| 02:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Good luck, boyo. |
| 02:10.12 | Kraps | you're making me sad |
| 02:11.36 | NightHawkTheSane | wil shipley > me :( |
| 02:11.47 | Shirik | what is a boyo? |
| 02:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | Person of the male persuasion, to a mobster. |
| 02:14.38 | Thunder_Child | a young male |
| 02:14.51 | Thunder_Child | it's a form of address, casual |
| 02:14.53 | NightHawkTheSane | im not young :( |
| 02:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | Neither am I. |
| 02:15.23 | Thunder_Child | sorry,i should have said younger than the person saying it |
| 02:15.51 | Thunder_Child | just like my 94 year old grandmother can say youngster to 70 year olds |
| 02:15.57 | Thunder_Child | and she does |
| 02:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a wise old 35, everyone's a puppy to me! |
| 02:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 02:18.16 | Thunder_Child | suuuure... |
| 02:19.51 | Lopeppeppy | For serious, ask Shirik, he's met me. |
| 02:19.59 | Thunder_Child | so have i |
| 02:20.04 | Thunder_Child | dummy |
| 02:20.26 | Thunder_Child | i meant the part about people being puppys to you |
| 02:20.44 | Mikk | lopeypuppy |
| 02:20.47 | Mikk | nodnods |
| 02:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | Lopepuppy, yup. :) |
| 02:21.19 | Lopeppeppy | True that, TC, you sat at my table for dinner. |
| 02:21.19 | Mikk | Lopeppeppy: 34 and a half is a puppy to you also? =P |
| 02:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, young whippersnapper! |
| 02:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | This comes from my unfortunate singularity and cat ownership. |
| 02:22.52 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is young and cute |
| 02:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, you're totally sweet, Shirik! *big huggle* |
| 02:24.10 | Shirik | :) |
| 02:25.24 | Lopeppeppy | I showed you the cute blurry haircut, yes? |
| 02:27.36 | A-KO | I'm 25..... :P |
| 02:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 02:27.51 | Kraps | is fascinated by his effeminate boss |
| 02:28.25 | Kraps | or mabe he just wears his heart on his sleeve |
| 02:29.54 | tem | ewffeminate != emotional imo |
| 02:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Or maybe your concept of masculinity needs adjusting. |
| 02:31.19 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: i shoot myself in the leg once a month on purpose |
| 02:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | Masochism /= masculinity. Get a new dictionary, yours has some misprints. :) |
| 02:34.20 | Kraps | :/ |
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| 02:38.58 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: most of the time, retardness == masculinity |
| 02:39.09 | Adys | and masochism, most of the time, == retardness |
| 02:39.15 | Adys | its easy to confuse |
| 02:39.33 | NightHawkTheSane | so, men are retarded, and women are crazy? |
| 02:40.09 | Adys | Women are to men what .. er, uhm |
| 02:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | Strike that, reverse it. |
| 02:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | waits. This could be good. See that hole? Keep diggin. |
| 02:40.46 | Mikk | both women and men are from penus? |
| 02:40.55 | Mikk | does a little jig |
| 02:40.57 | Kraps | WRONG |
| 02:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: .... are you saying women are retarded? |
| 02:41.34 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: shes saying that women are unneeded, duh |
| 02:41.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, that whole uterus thing is pretty important |
| 02:42.47 | Kraps | ponders |
| 02:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | Bake cookies, it's less painful. |
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| 02:45.15 | Cairenn | arches an eyebrow at the previous convo |
| 02:45.23 | Kraps | firefox crashed |
| 02:45.27 | Mikk | Here we go: "I don't get this talk about men and women coming from different places. As far as I know, they both start out from penus and come to life in the neighborhood of arse." |
| 02:45.32 | Mikk | Amagad I should be a comedian |
| 02:45.42 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, ha ha ha. |
| 02:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | And stuff. |
| 02:45.46 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 02:45.46 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 02:45.56 | Mikk | Works better spoken I guess |
| 02:46.06 | Kraps | Mikk: except YOU SPELLED PENIS WRONG |
| 02:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, I think they were yanking my chain, but quit while they were ahead. |
| 02:46.22 | Mikk | I SAID IT WORKS BETTER SPOKEN!!11 |
| 02:46.29 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: I know, I'm just sitting here being quietly amused |
| 02:47.31 | Mikk | Pff doing the typical female thing and being hard to read, methinks! |
| 02:47.36 | Mikk | nods sagely. |
| 02:48.06 | Mikk | wonders if peppy thinks cair is a puppy too. |
| 02:48.33 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, Cairenn is a sleek black cat with sparkly green eyes, and claws. |
| 02:48.44 | Cairenn | purrs at Lopeppeppy |
| 02:48.44 | Wobin | Mikk, Shouldn't that be "in the neighborhood of ur anus?" |
| 02:49.09 | Mikk | That might work too but then it doesn't rhyme with Mars. |
| 02:49.10 | Mikk | Tough call! |
| 02:49.19 | Lopeppeppy | Mars needs women. |
| 02:49.34 | Wobin | well |
| 02:49.37 | Wobin | if you're american |
| 02:49.49 | Wobin | you'd rhyme it was Mass =P |
| 02:50.42 | Mikk | is swedish and picks his accent according to needs |
| 02:51.19 | Mikk | I just wish I had a passable irish still. It rocks for lewd jokes. |
| 02:51.42 | Kraps | waits for Mikks new book "Infinity +1 Ways to Offend Women" |
| 02:52.13 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder if the entire channel can be listed as co-authors? |
| 02:52.23 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 02:52.26 | Lopeppeppy | Or would your publisher cut it off at 100 contributors? *sweet smile* |
| 02:53.47 | Kraps | thats fine *straight face* |
| 02:59.10 | Kraps | Heimstone is the small brand that goes, the name is pronounced with envy thinking of the closet-romantic rock proposed rue du Cherche-Midi. But it is also a pair of sparkling young designers seem to have boosted the unconscious women, as their designs are in keeping with the fantasy fashion ... |
| 02:59.26 | Kraps | i love google translate |
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| 03:21.37 | Kraps | yanks and a's tied at 2 bottom of the 9th |
| 03:22.09 | Lopeppeppy | More innings, more innings! |
| 03:28.40 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder what the PTR version numbers are gonna do with 4.0 |
| 03:28.46 | ZorbaTHut | are they going to go back to 0.0.0? |
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| 03:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | why would they? |
| 03:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | Why not go with 4.0? Is there some reason it should be reset? |
| 03:30.18 | Kraps | harsh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nDiLBs8r5I |
| 03:30.42 | ZorbaTHut | lope, well, the PTR for 3.3.0 is "0.3.0" |
| 03:30.51 | ZorbaTHut | so I don't know why they would, but they already do :P |
| 03:31.27 | Kraps | http://wcbstv.com/watercooler/Charges.Boy.Balloon.2.1255247.html |
| 03:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think they could go back to 0.0, they do want to be able to have discreet builds I'd guess. |
| 03:32.17 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, which is why I'm curious. the only other alternatives are to decide that 1.0 is old enough that they can re-use 1.0, or dump their old numbering and go straight to 4.0, or decouple the PTR versions even further |
| 03:32.24 | ZorbaTHut | or maybe 0.4.0.0 |
| 03:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | No one is quite saying what charges the Sherrif might pursue though... very odd. Is that about the materials he used to build? Something else? Child endangerment for losing his kid for hours? |
| 03:33.07 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, this is one of those issues where they're out for blood. they'll find something to convict him of, even if it's completely invalid |
| 03:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 03:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | And it will be at least partially valid. |
| 03:33.45 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I seem to recall some rather bogus charges in that cyberbullying case a while back |
| 03:33.59 | Lopeppeppy | See... kids do this kind of crap all the time. This is not a new and unique kid behavior, it's not a sign of a disturbed or abused kid... they run off and hide, and refuse to come back when called in case they're in trouble. |
| 03:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | Zorba, someone *died* in that case, they had to at least try. |
| 03:34.44 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, I don't think that's an excuse - if someone breaks a law you don't have yet, you change the law, and then you get them the next time it happens |
| 03:34.49 | ZorbaTHut | note that the theory isn't that the kid went and hid |
| 03:34.58 | ZorbaTHut | it's that the parents set the entire thing up as a publicity stunt |
| 03:35.43 | Lopeppeppy | That's the stories I've been reading, that he got yelled at for playing around with the balloon, and went and hid, then either fell asleep or wouldn't come out. People suspect it was a stunt, but gosh, that would be pretty stupid, considering all the cases lately of people being nailed for false reporting. |
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| 03:39.01 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: not doing something because it stupid is at the bottom of the list of reasons for not doing stupid things, and sometimes its not even on the list |
| 03:39.21 | Lopeppeppy | True, sheeple are stupid (tm) |
| 03:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | Goodnight everypeople, sleep well. |
| 03:48.31 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Lopeppeppy |
| 04:09.13 | Jerub | oooh, all hallows has started |
| 04:23.38 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: got any plans to throw questhelper nodes in for the all hallows achievemnets? |
| 04:26.57 | Arrowmaster | theyre just inns |
| 04:35.34 | Kraps | 3-3 yanks-A's :o |
| 04:36.31 | NightHawkTheSane | go <insert team here>! |
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| 04:43.42 | Kraps | <insert team here> sucks! they always lose to <insert team here> and have a bigger payroll than <insert teams here>! |
| 04:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | What is the respawn on capital city bosses? |
| 04:47.11 | Wobin | 3hrs? |
| 04:47.18 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 04:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | So much for the wrathgate chain then |
| 04:59.27 | Shirik | (00:34:56) (Kraps) 3-3 yanks-A's :o |
| 04:59.29 | Shirik | How very on-topic of you |
| 05:00.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it was as on topic as anyone else had abeen in the last 10 minutes |
| 05:00.24 | Kraps | Shirik: i did a double take when i read it |
| 05:00.34 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Not true |
| 05:00.40 | Shirik | it was very much more on topic |
| 05:12.40 | ScytheBlade1 | grr |
| 05:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | my IP is blacklisted as dynamic |
| 05:12.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite it very clearly not being dynamic |
| 05:16.48 | Shirik | hm |
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| 05:17.17 | Shirik | are there (lossy compressing) video formats that are set up to demand less loss in the center, and more loss at the edges? |
| 05:17.44 | Shirik | so the center is very clear and the edges are a little less clear? |
| 05:18.43 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so, why would you need it? |
| 05:19.11 | Shirik | well that's what this video kinda looks like, and after I thought about it, it sounds like a good idea |
| 05:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | also, boo, I'm spending some $1800 a year on various prescriptions |
| 05:19.22 | Shirik | face it: Your eyes typically look near the center |
| 05:19.26 | Shirik | Rule of thirds |
| 05:19.36 | Shirik | focus is rarely at the very edges |
| 05:19.45 | Arrowmaster | except anime |
| 05:19.59 | Shirik | anime compresses better in other ways |
| 05:20.00 | Arrowmaster | reading subtitles |
| 05:20.06 | Shirik | primarily because the colors are relatively consistent |
| 05:20.36 | Shirik | here, set to HQ and look at the edges: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sd8UMUaIk |
| 05:20.49 | Shirik | it's not dramatic |
| 05:20.57 | Shirik | and you probably wouldn't notice unless you really were looking for it |
| 05:21.13 | Shirik | especially around 0:25 you can see it |
| 05:21.30 | Shirik | eh more like 0:20 |
| 05:21.46 | Arrowmaster | youtube reencodes everything, you dont have any control over the encoding |
| 05:22.05 | Shirik | that doesn't really change the question though |
| 05:22.14 | cogwheel | i think that's more the nature of the motion, since the center of the frame was relatively still |
| 05:22.25 | Kraps | yankees win! |
| 05:22.36 | Shirik | but it's consistent through the video cogwheel |
| 05:22.46 | Shirik | that's just one place where it's /really/ visible |
| 05:23.19 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if youtube is using the new Macroblock Tree Ratecontrol in x264 (the encoder, not the h264 format in general) |
| 05:47.29 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: have you seen what the new mbtree in x264 can do? |
| 05:47.43 | Shirik | negative :( |
| 05:48.23 | Arrowmaster | 67kbps video bitrate http://mirror05.x264.nl/Dark/Flash/lowbitrateanime.html |
| 05:51.00 | Arrowmaster | selectively lowers the bitrate in just the areas with motion instead of causing the entire frame to change quality when motion happens |
| 05:51.11 | Arrowmaster | thats an extreme example of it |
| 05:54.48 | ZorbaTHut | that's pretty dang impressive for 67kbps |
| 05:56.01 | Thunder_Child | wow, todays http://www.woot.com/ is amusing as hell |
| 05:59.06 | kd3 | lol |
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| 06:09.16 | Shirik | that's awesome Arrowmaster |
| 06:09.31 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: So win. |
| 06:10.06 | Shirik | I might actually pick that up |
| 06:10.25 | Shirik | that would be an awesome gift for my brother for christmas |
| 06:10.28 | Shirik | or his birthday |
| 06:10.29 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:10.30 | Shirik | OMG |
| 06:10.33 | Shirik | his birthday's in like 3 days |
| 06:10.36 | Shirik | 2 |
| 06:10.36 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:10.39 | Shirik | ok that settles it |
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| 06:14.14 | Thunder_Child | my google labels brokeded :( |
| 06:14.31 | Thunder_Child | s/lables/multiple inboxes// |
| 06:14.38 | Shirik | owned |
| 06:14.39 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 06:14.55 | Thunder_Child | well glad it could help Shirik |
| 06:15.17 | Shirik | :3 |
| 06:18.41 | Thunder_Child | i dont know my emoticons that well Shirik, what is that supposed to be? |
| 06:21.11 | Dolby | I think its a top looking down at a women |
| 06:25.06 | Thunder_Child | Dolby, what excatly are the ':' for then? |
| 06:30.21 | Dagmar | I thought it was a quivering lips emoticon |
| 06:30.28 | Dagmar | ...but I'll merrily blame the Koreans for any confusion |
| 06:33.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:33.45 | Shirik | it's a smiley face |
| 06:33.46 | Shirik | but like |
| 06:33.48 | Shirik | a cute one |
| 06:33.55 | Shirik | like a teddy bear smiley face |
| 06:34.51 | Shirik | I don't know whether to give him that for christmas or his birthday |
| 06:35.23 | Shirik | gahhh I don't know what to make |
| 06:35.43 | Shirik | Macaroni and cheese, Fried rice, fettucine alfredo |
| 06:35.56 | Shirik | um |
| 06:35.58 | Shirik | pancakes |
| 06:36.00 | Shirik | ice cream |
| 06:36.16 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it can be cute... Fisker uses it all the time |
| 06:37.02 | Thunder_Child | s/n b/n not b/ |
| 06:37.25 | Shirik | tell me what to make! |
| 06:37.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, all of the above |
| 06:37.48 | Shirik | negative |
| 06:38.09 | Thunder_Child | for who, you or your brother |
| 06:38.17 | Shirik | for me |
| 06:38.22 | Thunder_Child | when? |
| 06:38.26 | Shirik | now? |
| 06:38.29 | Shirik | what |
| 06:38.39 | Thunder_Child | fried rice |
| 06:38.44 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 06:38.48 | Shirik | I had fried rice yesterday |
| 06:39.06 | Shirik | oh I have orange chicken too |
| 06:39.08 | Shirik | and corn dogs |
| 06:39.29 | Shirik | and I'm having teriyaki chicken, scallops, and shrimp tomorrow |
| 06:39.33 | Shirik | going to be so much <3 |
| 06:40.08 | Thunder_Child | you cooking this from scratch |
| 06:40.18 | Shirik | um |
| 06:40.26 | Shirik | the teriyaki seafood and shrimp? |
| 06:40.32 | Thunder_Child | all of it |
| 06:40.39 | Shirik | Not exactly how "scratch" you mean |
| 06:40.45 | Shirik | I don't make teriyaki sauce, I buy it |
| 06:40.49 | Shirik | I don't make alfredo sauce, I buy it |
| 06:40.55 | Shirik | but I put it together |
| 06:41.04 | Shirik | not like some premade teriyaki chicken in a box |
| 06:41.06 | Shirik | or something |
| 06:41.18 | Thunder_Child | ok, just wondering |
| 06:41.28 | Shirik | it's so easy |
| 06:41.33 | Shirik | (but that's why it takes a day...) |
| 06:41.52 | Shirik | just get a bunch of hefty ziplock bags, pour some teriyaki sauce in there, score whatever you want to make |
| 06:41.54 | Shirik | throw it in the bag |
| 06:41.58 | Shirik | in a day throw it on the stove |
| 06:42.02 | Shirik | and <3333333333333333 |
| 06:42.09 | Dagmar | Instant botulism! Yay! |
| 06:42.43 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:44.53 | Shirik | Dagmar... |
| 06:44.57 | Shirik | ok I left out a step |
| 06:45.08 | Shirik | you throw it in a bag AND THEN PUT THE BAG IN THE REFRIGERATOR |
| 06:45.09 | Shirik | happy? |
| 06:45.28 | Shirik | someone that consumes chicken that was left out for a day deserves to die -_- |
| 06:46.23 | Thunder_Child | i have eaten pizza that has been left out for 3 days |
| 06:49.56 | Shirik | that's different |
| 06:50.04 | Shirik | pizza is ok |
| 06:50.06 | Shirik | chicken is not |
| 06:50.18 | Thunder_Child | pizza with meat toppings? |
| 06:50.23 | Thunder_Child | not so much |
| 06:50.51 | Dagmar | Shirik: Keep in mind your _audience_ might not be particularly familiar with cooking, chemistry, or bacteriology |
| 06:51.15 | Shirik | I would assume most people know not to leave chicken out -_- |
| 06:51.27 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: most pepperoni is pretty heavily preserved. heh |
| 06:51.34 | Dagmar | Shirik: And yet there are people who think nothing of owning a wooden cutting board |
| 06:52.30 | Thunder_Child | stop making assumptions people |
| 06:53.08 | Shirik | assumptions are good |
| 06:53.22 | Shirik | I reject your reality and substitute my own |
| 06:53.23 | Dagmar | Man I've found people's _mom's_ with wooden cutting boards |
| 06:53.32 | Dagmar | Talk about an east christmas present to figure out |
| 06:53.37 | Dagmar | s/east/easy/; |
| 06:54.56 | Dolby | Thunder_Child: her eyes, looking up at you |
| 06:56.34 | Thunder_Child | Dolby, thats just creepy |
| 07:15.55 | tem | wowzers |
| 07:15.59 | tem | that episode was a mindfuck |
| 07:16.02 | tem | on top of a recap |
| 07:16.09 | tem | well played anime world |
| 07:16.35 | tem | (are recap episodes not the most irritating thing every invented?) |
| 07:17.28 | tem | Like, Remember that big cliffhanger at the end of last week's episode? Well that's too bad because this week we're just going to recap everything instead of telling you what happened next. |
| 07:19.26 | tem | This is why I shouldn't watch a series while it's still airing |
| 07:19.27 | tem | I can't take the waiting |
| 07:20.14 | Shirik | kd3: ping |
| 07:20.26 | Shirik | or tem for that matter |
| 07:20.29 | Shirik | or anyone |
| 07:20.33 | Shirik | Thoughts on Deathnote? |
| 07:23.05 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 07:23.16 | Thunder_Child | i got bored of it before the end of season 1 |
| 07:25.11 | Shirik | it seems interesting, but I've only caught a few episodes so far |
| 07:25.22 | Shirik | took a little time to understand it by picking it up in the middle |
| 07:25.25 | Shirik | but I think I got the story now |
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| 07:34.19 | Jamash | deathnote season one: awesome |
| 07:34.24 | Jamash | deathnote season two: okay |
| 07:42.26 | Shirik | Early in 2005, school officials in Shenyang, the capital of Liaoning Province (People's Republic of China), banned Death Note.[81] The immediate cause was that students had been altering notebooks to resemble Death Notes and then writing the names of acquaintances, enemies, and teachers in the books. |
| 07:42.27 | Shirik | lmao |
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| 07:44.55 | Shirik | woah |
| 07:45.00 | Shirik | did M$ redo MSDN? |
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| 07:57.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:57.52 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:59.42 | Shirik | Do you pass the Acid3 test? |
| 07:59.48 | Shirik | I think you do not |
| 08:00.11 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: series started out good but went complete shit fuck half way, and the ending was fucking horrible, apparently every episode except the last one followed the manga |
| 08:02.13 | Arrowmaster | tem: what are you watching? FMA:B? |
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| 08:02.28 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:07.57 | psino | I'm trying to change the pvp objectives font (the one on the top of the screen) -- anyone happen to know which setting in Fontain will change it? |
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| 08:12.24 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:12.29 | Shirik | have an islander http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sd8UMUaIk |
| 08:12.36 | psino | Antiarc: sorry to bother you again, but have you experienced some weird text rendering on sexycooldowns sometime? |
| 08:13.42 | Antiarc | psino: I've not, got screenshots? |
| 08:13.51 | psino | yeah, just a sec |
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| 08:16.33 | psino | http://bildr.no/view/509034 |
| 08:16.38 | psino | http://bildr.no/view/509037 |
| 08:16.45 | psino | http://bildr.no/view/509035 |
| 08:16.52 | psino | http://bildr.no/view/509036 |
| 08:17.54 | Shirik | be careful |
| 08:18.00 | Shirik | Shiibot did not like that |
| 08:18.12 | psino | who is shiibot? :P |
| 08:18.24 | Shirik | anti-spam system |
| 08:18.57 | psino | can I give him an apple to make him happy? I went bobbing for it myself |
| 08:19.00 | psino | :) |
| 08:19.04 | Thunder_Child | Shiibot is Shirik's baby |
| 08:19.07 | Thunder_Child | litterly |
| 08:20.24 | psino | Antiarc: it seems to be using the wrong font sometimes, and sometimes it renders two time-labels |
| 08:20.52 | psino | sometimes with the same font, sometimes with different fonts |
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| 08:21.08 | psino | and it has a tendency to overlap every once in a while |
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| 08:33.26 | ccox | Nightwish - can't make up their mind whether they're metal, emo, or celtic; sometimes changing their mind mid-song |
| 08:34.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:34.39 | Shirik | they're so awesome |
| 08:37.51 | psino | Antiarc: btw, unlocking, then locking the bar again fixes the issue |
| 08:37.58 | psino | at least until next time it happens |
| 08:42.55 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:43.02 | Fisker | what about that |
| 08:43.06 | Fisker | does Shiibot like that? |
| 08:43.20 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large ccox |
| 08:45.13 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:45.37 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large ccox |
| 08:45.57 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:46.01 | Shirik | Thunder_Child made fun of your :3 |
| 08:46.25 | ccox | slaps Shirik and Fisker together: NERD sandwich! |
| 08:46.40 | Fisker | s:( Shirik |
| 08:49.23 | Shirik | lua> (4676472 - 1980142)/216 |
| 08:49.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: 12483.009259259 |
| 08:50.04 | Shirik | in Aion you gain XP for crafting |
| 08:50.14 | Shirik | I have determined if I make 12484 items, I will level |
| 08:51.28 | nevcairiel | aion is a fail game |
| 08:51.48 | Shirik | negative |
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| 08:52.04 | nevcairiel | it was praised so much before it launched, but it couldn't life up to that |
| 08:52.12 | Shirik | lives up to my expectations |
| 08:52.19 | Shirik | problem is it's a Korean MMO |
| 08:52.28 | Shirik | and much of the western world cannot handle korean MMOs |
| 08:52.52 | Shirik | it is actually fairly easy for a korean MMO, and people are still complaining "omg too much grinding qqqqq" |
| 08:54.15 | nevcairiel | leveling was really boring |
| 08:54.25 | Shirik | not to me |
| 08:54.59 | Shirik | it is a korean mmo. There will be grinding. |
| 08:55.02 | nevcairiel | i missed stories in the leveling that were longer then one or two quests to keep me entertained |
| 08:55.08 | Shirik | If you don't like that, then Aion is not for you. |
| 08:55.10 | nevcairiel | if grinding is required, its already fail |
| 08:55.21 | Shirik | As I tell tons of people, "I love Aion, but I do not recommend it to anyone" |
| 08:55.40 | nevcairiel | yeah well thats the problem, people claimed it was the next hot mmo |
| 08:55.43 | nevcairiel | but it failed on that |
| 08:55.45 | Shirik | there is a very small group of people that will like Aion -- that is, those whom have played Korean PvP games |
| 08:55.48 | Shirik | oh I totally agree |
| 08:55.52 | Shirik | it cannot beat out other mmos |
| 08:56.08 | nevcairiel | its a grinding and ganking game |
| 08:56.24 | nevcairiel | [Ammo] likes playing it for the ganking :P |
| 08:56.53 | Shirik | group pvp is where games like these shine |
| 08:57.02 | Shirik | and tbh I'm really getting sick of hearing "omg classes are so OP in 1v1" |
| 08:57.10 | Shirik | to which the only logical response is "stop 1v1ing" |
| 08:57.26 | nevcairiel | if you balance around 1v1, you'll destroy every game |
| 08:57.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:57.39 | nevcairiel | even wow never tried 1v1 balancing |
| 08:57.43 | nevcairiel | sadly they tried 2v2, which is still bad enough |
| 08:57.50 | Shirik | group pvp is very fun, especially with the added twist of restricted flight |
| 08:58.34 | Shirik | (but you have to have an intelligent group -- I've pvped with these guys for about 5 years now so...) |
| 08:58.48 | Shirik | we practically have a psychic link by now |
| 08:59.15 | nevcairiel | I used to play 3v3 with people like that |
| 08:59.21 | nevcairiel | but we all quit playing by now |
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| 09:02.16 | Shirik | personally I think it's funny |
| 09:02.25 | Shirik | we kill people way above us :P |
| 09:02.39 | Shirik | because games like these actually require group coordination rather than just level |
| 09:02.43 | Shirik | or raw power |
| 09:03.17 | nevcairiel | I wish for a main-stream mmo with dynamic pvp like that |
| 09:03.47 | nevcairiel | like, blizzards next mmo :P |
| 09:04.43 | Shirik | wow tries to be too all-around |
| 09:04.52 | Shirik | games like Aion sacrifice PvE for PvP |
| 09:05.00 | Shirik | of course, that drives some people away |
| 09:05.07 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:05.18 | Fisker | aion sucks |
| 09:05.49 | Shirik | My theory: It will attract a smaller crowd, has a better retention rate |
| 09:05.56 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 09:06.13 | Shirik | I should revise that: retention rate of end-game players |
| 09:06.37 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure how they expected their crowd size to be, but i've always thought they planned for more then a small crowd |
| 09:06.47 | Shirik | well |
| 09:06.53 | Shirik | their servers are a bit overloaded still |
| 09:07.00 | Shirik | so they didn't plan big enough... |
| 09:07.21 | Shirik | however I do expect numbers to drop off as all the WoWish people begin to leave the game (with no offense to WoW) |
| 09:07.46 | nevcairiel | sadly blizzard broke wow, at least the parts i liked about it |
| 09:08.04 | Fisker | Well if by WoW you mean "Good" and by Aion you mean "Shit" then no offense taken |
| 09:08.05 | Fisker | :3 |
| 09:08.58 | nevcairiel | i'm still kinda hoping for cataclysm reverting some of the weird things back to "classic" :P |
| 09:10.03 | Shirik | I'm not sure I would hope for that |
| 09:10.06 | Shirik | well |
| 09:10.13 | Shirik | s/hope/hold my breath/ |
| 09:10.41 | Shirik | everyone seems to think that Blizzard is doing things this way because this is their vision for the game |
| 09:10.50 | Shirik | I don't agree with it, but it's how it is |
| 09:10.56 | Shirik | god knows it's a sane business model |
| 09:11.18 | Shirik | everyone pays the same, old or new. If rate incoming > rate outgoing then you're doing it right. |
| 09:12.05 | nevcairiel | actually, the people believeing in blizzards vision in the game is rather small, most think they are just out to nerf their class :P |
| 09:13.13 | nevcairiel | I think some of their ideas for cataclysm are actually good, but 3.x currently feels like they are testing changes every other patch |
| 09:14.09 | nevcairiel | Plus i like leveling in WoW, so i'll try to experience the new-old-content |
| 09:16.46 | Industrial | hmm, is it me or is addons.mozilla.org dead? |
| 09:17.49 | Fisker | "Your Mom" |
| 09:17.50 | Fisker | -Brian Cozzens |
| 09:24.57 | Shirik | "nou" |
| 09:25.00 | Shirik | -Fisker- |
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| 09:55.22 | Wobin | They'll probably start some "Vanilla" servers |
| 09:55.25 | Wobin | which start with classic |
| 09:56.11 | Fisker | hello Wobin |
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| 11:25.59 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: please stop your blog being so interesting, i'm wasting a lot of time reading past entries. kthnx |
| 11:27.26 | olafski | :D |
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| 11:54.14 | Legorol | Jerub: what's the link to zorba's blog? |
| 11:55.33 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gx3I0XOILo |
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| 12:20.01 | Jerub | http://www.mandible.net/ |
| 12:35.18 | Wobin | hehe ZorbaTHut Prasanna was totally hitting on you =P |
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| 12:59.46 | Jerub | man, wow really hates low bandwidth connections |
| 12:59.56 | stuf | it just hates YOU |
| 13:00.08 | Jerub | yeah, i'm australian |
| 13:00.11 | Jerub | so definately that's ture |
| 13:00.13 | Jerub | er true |
| 13:00.26 | Wobin | relates |
| 13:01.06 | Jerub | i'm capped at the moment, so swapped to the 3g wireless |
| 13:01.50 | Jerub | on the 3g wireless the latency goes through the roof periodically,but on the capped adsl connection it times out transmitting/receiving data and knocks me offline |
| 13:02.14 | Jerub | at the moment i can't even log in on the adsl |
| 13:02.47 | Jerub | oh there it goes. 4th try lucky. |
| 13:11.26 | A-KO | Jerub: don't park yourself in Dalaran :P |
| 13:11.45 | A-KO | Cataclysm should fix that once and for all, back to the capital cities |
| 13:12.10 | A-KO | even on my high bandwidth connection when I log into Dal it can often take a bit for people to show up, interfaces to be available, etc. |
| 13:13.04 | Jerub | lol, i just picked up a penny pouch |
| 13:13.23 | Jerub | A-KO: I was in brill in trisfal glades |
| 13:13.32 | Jerub | hehehe, i just picked up a penny pouch from a trick or treat |
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| 13:26.23 | Wobin | eh, even on a good day, Dalaran can crash me |
| 13:26.31 | Wobin | after relogging in, everything is fine |
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| 13:30.20 | Jerub | k, bed time for me |
| 13:30.30 | Jerub | only 3 achievements left for hallow's end |
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| 14:02.16 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice, Fisker! |
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| 14:20.07 | Kraps | hayo |
| 14:22.53 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:25.33 | Kraps | wonders where Fisker gets his trout and if hes slapping them to extinction |
| 14:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | Cloning vats |
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| 14:33.56 | Kraps | the AP says dont pay to upgrade win 7 |
| 14:34.16 | Fisker | you make it sound like i'm some kind of activist Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:36.28 | A-KO | Windows 7 will finally make all the numbskulls upgrade to Vista |
| 14:36.45 | Pneumatus | nah, people will skip vista for 7 |
| 14:36.51 | A-KO | you don't get what I said :P |
| 14:36.59 | A-KO | 7 is by and large Vista |
| 14:37.08 | A-KO | a vast majority of Windows 7 is the same as Vista |
| 14:37.43 | A-KO | from hardware and software compatibility, to security, to the way you find things in menus--and for those that hated the ribbon bar in Office 2007, you now find it in many more apps in 7 |
| 14:38.06 | Fisker | Windows 7 is nothing like Vista from a user standpoint |
| 14:38.09 | Pneumatus | this ^^ |
| 14:38.10 | A-KO | sure it is |
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| 14:38.16 | A-KO | so the taskbar is slightly different |
| 14:38.19 | A-KO | big whoop |
| 14:38.24 | Fisker | lolslightly |
| 14:38.25 | A-KO | most people would cry for the XP taskbar back anyway |
| 14:38.44 | Stanzilla | you can have xp taskbar style in 7 |
| 14:38.44 | A-KO | One of the largest complaints on the MS beta boards was the ability to re-enable Quicklaunch to the pre-7 superbar days |
| 14:38.47 | Stanzilla | just use the options :o |
| 14:39.00 | A-KO | one feature of which they never did concede on :P |
| 14:39.28 | Stanzilla | you can enable quicklaunch through a registry hack |
| 14:39.40 | A-KO | the only reason people are moving to 7 over Vista is nothing more than perception. "So-so magazine/"professional expert" says it's good, so that's what it is! |
| 14:39.58 | A-KO | I use both regularly, side-by-side |
| 14:40.06 | A-KO | my laptop has 7, my office desktop is Vista |
| 14:40.24 | A-KO | I chat/do surf/browse on my laptop (which builds me a secure VPN tunnel), and do office-related tasks on my desktop |
| 14:41.54 | A-KO | and after doing massive amounts of work across all 3 platforms, as we're deploying a large number of XP laptops here soon enough, I much prefer at least the Vista way of doing it (of which we're also deploying, but a smaller number of) |
| 14:53.42 | Fisker | i can do that on linux as well! |
| 14:53.45 | Fisker | linux = windows 7 |
| 14:55.32 | Cide | A-KO: windows 7 is a lot better than vista. |
| 14:55.50 | Cide | in performance, in interface, in boot times, etc |
| 14:58.29 | A-KO | meh, I dunno man, my opti 360 at work with Vista SP2 boots pretty damn near instantly :P Though my home desktop boots superbly fast with 7 |
| 14:58.39 | A-KO | but I dunno what they did to that optiplex, it does have a superbly fast boot on Vista |
| 14:58.44 | A-KO | only gets a 3.4 on the WEI though |
| 14:59.32 | A-KO | Fisker: if I could convince work to move to Linux to d othis project, I would, but they seem well content on spending the enormous amount of cash on a Windows infrastructure. |
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| 15:00.01 | Amarande | G'morning. :) |
| 15:00.42 | A-KO | linux would superbly simplify the cost of deployment and just deployment in general, but the remote management and asset tracking becomes a little more difficult (though not insurmountable). |
| 15:01.28 | A-KO | I already have to create scripts for the deployment team anyway because they can't be trusted to manually change some configuration files and not fuck something up |
| 15:01.29 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:01.45 | Amarande | Yeah, I have a tendency to recommend Linux to everyone simply due to it being free, without taking into account all the arcanities of TCO heh |
| 15:01.52 | Amarande | c'mon AVG. Finish so I can start Hallow's End. |
| 15:03.30 | A-KO | also don't think there's a way to really track users who are remotely logging into machiens and doing work on linux, though the way we're implementing these tools we won't be able to do that anyway :P |
| 15:04.04 | A-KO | meh, they sign my paychecks :P |
| 15:04.07 | A-KO | so I can't badmouth 'em that much |
| 15:04.46 | Amarande | meh, that's how the world becomes meh |
| 15:04.54 | Amarande | people become apathetic about things as long as they're making a paycheck. :) |
| 15:05.33 | A-KO | oh it's not that I've become apathetic, it's just I'm a newbie systems engineer at work compared to guys who have been working on this stuff for a decade or more, with a team of people against my own ideals :P |
| 15:05.49 | A-KO | my immediate coworkers all agree |
| 15:05.53 | A-KO | but then there's no CYA money |
| 15:06.27 | A-KO | and, more importantly, I entered the project already at a late stage in the game--where they already had some pilots deployed, with massive development work already into the software on Windows |
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| 15:06.34 | Amarande | wonders how much win and awesome stuff is never created or used because it doesn't make money. :| |
| 15:06.51 | A-KO | oh this would make us money, in fact, it would save us ridiculous amounts of money |
| 15:07.07 | Amarande | also: dear lord, why does AVG need two and a half freaking hours to run a scan ... |
| 15:07.12 | A-KO | but there is something to be said about being able to quickly deploy softwre via a simple user interface |
| 15:07.15 | A-KO | MSE? |
| 15:07.29 | cbreak | cp -r |
| 15:07.41 | Amarande | cbreak has the right of it. :) |
| 15:07.46 | Amarande | which is something you can only do on Linux, too |
| 15:07.59 | A-KO | cbreak: that works if you're within the same subnet, and have a full listing of all the IPs and feel like sorting through them via scripts, etc. |
| 15:08.04 | Amarande | because Windows always insists on everything having graceful install programs so it can put stuff in the registree :P |
| 15:08.09 | cbreak | at work I have to use something called "Empirum". It's not bad, but all the crappy windows installers cause me nightmares. |
| 15:08.19 | A-KO | we're using Altiris |
| 15:08.25 | A-KO | it's pretty nice |
| 15:08.35 | A-KO | though pricey |
| 15:08.40 | Amarande | I've never understood why Windows insists on using such clunky solutions |
| 15:08.46 | A-KO | huh? MSI isn't very clunky |
| 15:08.54 | cbreak | microsoft doesn't insist on them |
| 15:08.56 | Amarande | they should switch to dpkg or RPM and use configuration files in /etc instead of a Registry :) |
| 15:09.04 | Amarande | like real OS's do. :D |
| 15:09.11 | cbreak | they just didn't provide anything nice until MSI, and by then, thousands of incompatible crap solutions have been created |
| 15:09.24 | Amarande | exactly what advantage does the Registry solution provide, anyway? |
| 15:09.30 | A-KO | I've had problems with dpkg/aptitude. Apparently uninstalling, reinstalling, uninstalling, reinstalling various apache prefork modules breaks shit :P |
| 15:09.35 | cbreak | and having a registry, stupid ini files and so on doesn'thelp either |
| 15:09.53 | A-KO | Amarande: technically speaking, you're not supposed to edit the registry, or ever have to touch it |
| 15:09.58 | A-KO | That was the goal |
| 15:10.05 | cbreak | programs with drivers that don't support silent installation are especially painful :( |
| 15:10.43 | A-KO | in fact, because of my problems with Ubuntu I finally fixed, I'm looking at making future linux installs I do RHEL or my trusted Gentoo :P |
| 15:10.54 | cbreak | you have to edit the registry for all kinds of stuff. Uninstall data, DLL use count, app paths, ... |
| 15:11.07 | A-KO | cbreak: under normal operation, you don't need to touch the registry |
| 15:11.26 | cbreak | do you consider SW installation normal? |
| 15:11.46 | A-KO | if your software installation is requiring you to touch the registry by hand, something's wrong with that software. |
| 15:11.47 | A-KO | not the OS |
| 15:12.16 | A-KO | sounds like something our contractor development team would do |
| 15:12.17 | cbreak | the software installer has to touch the registry... |
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| 15:12.37 | A-KO | yes, sure, but I"m implying as a normal user who double clicks icons and hits "next next next yes next i agree next next finish" |
| 15:12.38 | cbreak | and many of those installers are very bad. |
| 15:12.40 | cbreak | hardly support silent install |
| 15:12.58 | cbreak | normal users can't install software since no one would be dumb enough to give them admin rights |
| 15:13.41 | A-KO | eh, use a management solution that runs a service as system, and then installs apps silently via administrator rights and the end user never has to see it. If the app doesn't have the silent install ability, find a different app, or bitch at the developer to provide one :P |
| 15:14.44 | A-KO | or, do some manual work and remote into the machine administratively and install the software |
| 15:14.44 | A-KO | sucks but hey :P |
| 15:14.45 | A-KO | fwiw, everyone in our company has admin rights to their PC, lol |
| 15:14.45 | A-KO | left over from the old days of the NT4 environment where lazy administrators didn't want to fuck around with having to install shit for people |
| 15:15.03 | A-KO | not to mention with the increase in laptops that also serve a dual purpose of "business and personal" |
| 15:15.39 | cbreak | A-KO, that's the problem |
| 15:16.00 | Amarande | cbreak, seeing that A-KO apparently works in IT? |
| 15:16.12 | Amarande | I don't think I'd want to hire someone for IT that couldn't handle having admin rights to their PC. |
| 15:16.19 | cbreak | many of the apps we have to deploy are ancient (I've seen some with installers that were compatible to win 95... |
| 15:17.14 | cbreak | we use ancient xp though, so the programs sometimes run... but the installers are bad. |
| 15:17.51 | cbreak | the devs for those apps are probably long dead, and the apps can't easily be replaced since they are for hardware that is apparently "very important" |
| 15:18.26 | Amarande | yay ancient black box apps. :) |
| 15:18.33 | A-KO | cbreak: eh that's one nice thing about 7, the integrated XP mode, which probably could have been backported to Vista but it's just an excuse to get poeple ot upgrade. |
| 15:18.53 | cbreak | I like apples approach more |
| 15:19.00 | cbreak | just break compatibility with old crap. |
| 15:19.03 | A-KO | oh I agree |
| 15:19.24 | A-KO | but you know, this is why companies continue shoveling truckloads of $ to Microsoft |
| 15:19.30 | Amarande | cbreak: as a gamer, I detest such approaches intensely :| |
| 15:19.54 | cbreak | THERE SHALL BE NO GAME BESIDES WOW! |
| 15:19.56 | Amarande | especially given that the newest games have rarely been the best lately |
| 15:20.07 | cbreak | (appart from Diablo and Starcraft) |
| 15:20.32 | cbreak | uses VMs for many things |
| 15:27.37 | Kraps | "Anecdotally, the browser (IE8) hard crashed a couple minutes into us writing this paragraph. " |
| 15:27.43 | Kraps | bwahahaha |
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| 15:36.59 | Amarande | IE FTL |
| 15:37.02 | Fisker | IE FTW |
| 15:37.17 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.19 | Sesshu | firefox! |
| 15:37.35 | Kraps | FTW |
| 15:37.42 | Sesshu | ! |
| 15:37.45 | Fisker | firefox ftl |
| 15:37.52 | Sesshu | fisker ftl |
| 15:37.53 | Fisker | IE FTW FTW |
| 15:37.58 | Fisker | Sesshu FTL |
| 15:38.01 | foxlit | Safire Explorer? |
| 15:40.24 | cbreak | safari? |
| 15:43.29 | Kraps | chroexfoxaripra |
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| 15:50.59 | foxlit | Bless you, Kraps. |
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| 15:51.22 | Kraps | feels blessed |
| 15:57.55 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:01.38 | Kraps | destroys Fiskers trout |
| 16:05.54 | Fisker | bastard |
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| 16:23.33 | Kraps | Cataclysm release date will be one of two dates: |
| 16:23.34 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.36 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.43 | Fisker | Before Duke Nukem Forever(tm) |
| 16:27.28 | Amarande | Well, it can't be *this* Christmas, as that would be a disaster. |
| 16:27.44 | Amarande | We probably won't even see ICC till November, and a one-month window to defeat Arthas would S U C K. |
| 16:28.04 | Amarande | I wonder if they'll end up postponing it a whole year till holiday 2010, simply to get the Christmas sales like most gaming companies want |
| 16:28.11 | zenzelezz | is "ICC" the common abbreviation for Icecrown Citadel now? |
| 16:28.15 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 16:28.28 | zenzelezz | why not just IC? |
| 16:28.40 | Amarande | BTW, do the Icecrown 5-man instances require significant quest progression in Icecrown to unlock, or are they available to all? |
| 16:28.57 | zenzelezz | ICC reminds me of Anarchy Online |
| 16:29.14 | Amarande | ICC is also the abbreviation for Internet Chess Club |
| 16:29.26 | nevcairiel | Intel C Compiler, imho |
| 16:29.30 | zenzelezz | I'm sure there are tons of abbreviations it can be |
| 16:29.46 | zenzelezz | for me the one that springs to mind is Interstellar Council of Corporations |
| 16:30.25 | Kraps | International Corrupt Cocksuckers |
| 16:30.33 | Kraps | oh snap |
| 16:31.14 | zenzelezz | to each their own, we don't judge you Kraps |
| 16:31.31 | Kraps | i'm gonna get kicked now, arent i |
| 16:31.40 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 16:32.09 | Kraps | ok cool |
| 16:35.28 | ZorbaTHut | no way are they pushing it back to next Christmas |
| 16:35.37 | ZorbaTHut | I'm predicting late first quarter/early second quarter 2010 |
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| 16:36.12 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: what? its nearly november |
| 16:36.28 | Kraps | second quarter at least |
| 16:38.01 | ZorbaTHut | I think they're going to try to release it earlier rather than later. they don't want Arthas to peter out and get old |
| 16:39.42 | zenzelezz | how long was it from the Naxxramas patch to BC; seven months? And from Sunwell patch to WotLK, a bit shorter? |
| 16:40.53 | Amarande | and a lot of people thought that was too short |
| 16:41.31 | zenzelezz | personally I'd think about six months between the last major content patch and an expansion is about right; but what Blizzard thinks I can't say |
| 16:41.38 | Amarande | basing an expansion on top guilds' progress seems bad, seeing as what % of players actually are in top guilds? |
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| 16:42.43 | Amarande | although it might be different with WotLK given the easy progression compared to earlier raid endgames |
| 16:45.51 | Kraps | niiiiiice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cpSv2mNhhc |
| 16:49.01 | Zyn- | stabs Kraps in the face |
| 16:49.05 | Zyn- | "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. " |
| 16:49.34 | Kraps | yeah yeah STAB THE MESSENGER YOU BRAT |
| 16:50.05 | Zyn- | stabs again |
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| 16:56.01 | Fisker | slaps Amarande around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:56.01 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:56.02 | Fisker | slaps Zyn- around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:56.12 | Fisker | go back to playing Wii Pillowfight Hero Plus |
| 16:56.32 | Zyn- | its a sweet game |
| 16:57.09 | Fisker | you want peggle? |
| 16:58.55 | Kraps | Zyn-: i cant use the swedish youtube ok? |
| 16:59.11 | Zyn- | there's nothing of value there anyway |
| 16:59.20 | Kraps | lol |
| 16:59.30 | Fisker | asn |
| 17:02.28 | Kraps | imogen heap ftw |
| 17:02.44 | Fisker | hej Kraps |
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| 17:07.35 | Fisker | *sigh* |
| 17:08.04 | Fisker | Player: "Zomg why can't i transer boa items to my alts on another server or faction? You shouldn't call it Bind on Account then" |
| 17:08.23 | Kraps | hes right |
| 17:08.29 | Fisker | naw |
| 17:08.38 | Fisker | Me: "Bind on Account means the item is restricted to your account, not that you can transfer it between everyone on your account" |
| 17:08.52 | Kraps | nonononono |
| 17:08.53 | Fisker | Him: "You're not right!11 :'(" |
| 17:09.05 | Fisker | Blue: "Bind on Account means the item is restricted to your account, not that you can transfer it between everyone on your account" |
| 17:09.25 | Fisker | Him: "Thank you for the info! Keep up the good work" |
| 17:09.26 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 17:10.03 | Kraps | bwawawa |
| 17:10.52 | Kraps | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoRespectGuy |
| 17:10.59 | Kraps | ^ Fisker |
| 17:12.11 | tem | Shirik, my opinion on death note (only 8 hours late...) It was FREAKING AMAZING until about episode 17 |
| 17:12.21 | tem | after 17 it went to just kind of blarg |
| 17:12.32 | tem | it definitely worth watching for the first 17 imo |
| 17:12.58 | Dagmar | Ah, so you hit puberty about then, did you:" |
| 17:13.24 | tem | and if you feel like watching the rest of it to see what happens, it's not _that_ bad |
| 17:13.28 | Amarande | speaking of anime |
| 17:13.36 | Amarande | why can I simply NOT find a legitimate copy of Kara no Kyoukai :( |
| 17:13.37 | tem | Arrowmaster, yes, it was FMA:B |
| 17:14.31 | foxlit | But the first 17 are basically the first X of the old FMA. |
| 17:15.50 | tem | foxlit, the first like 5 are the same story as the old FMA's first half |
| 17:16.02 | tem | it's a completely different story |
| 17:16.15 | foxlit | is up to something like 26 |
| 17:16.29 | tem | skip 27 if you can |
| 17:16.41 | tem | well don't skip it |
| 17:16.45 | foxlit | Really? I thought it was a nice intermission. |
| 17:16.46 | tem | just don't watch it until 28 is out |
| 17:16.57 | tem | it pissed me off something fierce |
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| 17:17.21 | tem | putting an episode like that after a cliffhanger is definitely a pet peeve of mine |
| 17:17.40 | tem | it was also a bit of a mindfuck |
| 17:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Any way to track a completed achieve? |
| 17:41.15 | Dagmar | ment. |
| 17:43.35 | _rane | wow has proven what a difficult word that is |
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| 17:44.23 | A-KO | stargate universe sucks |
| 17:44.33 | _rane | i like it |
| 17:44.55 | _rane | has some stupid shit but it's still enjoyable |
| 17:46.05 | A-KO | I don't care about their drama on a ship |
| 17:46.10 | A-KO | I'd rather see them visit different worlds etc |
| 17:46.18 | A-KO | enemies, etc. |
| 17:46.42 | A-KO | was hoping they'd find this ship and it'd set them up for something but nope--they're still, 4 episodes in, trying to figure out how to survive in this ship.; |
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| 17:54.55 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: it's competed, so why would you want to track it? |
| 17:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | to go back to all of the objectives again |
| 17:55.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (Hallows end) |
| 17:55.55 | foxlit | There is no benefit, however. |
| 17:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes there is |
| 17:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 44*6.63 |
| 17:56.09 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 291.72 |
| 17:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | money! |
| 17:56.19 | foxlit | But no. I did http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13876-FlameWarden.html for the fires. |
| 17:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ... fires |
| 17:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | This is not the summer |
| 17:56.38 | foxlit | Those gave actual currency :) |
| 17:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | As do these |
| 17:57.09 | foxlit | Event currency. |
| 17:57.09 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: because kara no kyoukai hasnt been released in english yet |
| 17:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | These give me gold |
| 17:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I want gold |
| 17:57.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I want an easy way to go back and hit them all |
| 17:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | </reasoning> |
| 17:57.55 | foxlit | Print yourself a list :) |
| 17:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart foxlit |
| 17:58.02 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets foxlit feel it |
| 17:58.37 | foxlit | The original answer -- there's no way to track completed achievements -- holds. |
| 17:58.58 | foxlit | If you wanted to, you could engineer yourself a solution that records that you visited a particular node, such as the example addon. |
| 17:59.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That is more or less what I'm down to |
| 17:59.45 | Arrowmaster | tem: 28 should be out in a few hours |
| 18:00.01 | tem | yeah I know |
| 18:00.04 | tem | looking forward to it |
| 18:00.08 | foxlit | In my opinion, writing an addon would take more time than is reasonable for this sort of reward :) |
| 18:00.19 | foxlit | So paper seems easiest. |
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| 18:05.23 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 18:05.32 | Dagmar | Hit rating didn't get changed when I wasn't looking did it? |
| 18:05.48 | Dagmar | It's not suddenly ~15 per percent of hit now is it? |
| 18:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | for casters, 17% |
| 18:07.02 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I can't even find the Japanese edition of Kara no Kyoukai though |
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| 18:07.15 | Amarande | not the legitimate one anyway ... ebay only has this Malay boot |
| 18:07.56 | Arrowmaster | http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_ss?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=kara+no+kyoukai&x=0&y=0 |
| 18:08.08 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: per percent should have been a clue I wasn't asking what the miss percentage was |
| 18:08.35 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102739549&sid=1 |
| 18:08.41 | Dagmar | Someone needs to bitchslap that person |
| 18:09.36 | foxlit | You're sure you aren't looking at a BC-dated post? |
| 18:09.49 | Arrowmaster | well http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-19-71-9-49-en-15-kara+no+kyoukai-43-9.html didnt return what i expected |
| 18:09.52 | Dagmar | I'm going to pretend you didn't ask that. |
| 18:10.53 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: so whats wrong with the fansubbed versions? |
| 18:11.49 | Dagmar | Stuff that old should be nuked when someone necroposts |
| 18:11.58 | Amarande | actually, I just noticed there were versions on youtube |
| 18:12.01 | Amarande | haven't watched them yet though |
| 18:12.34 | Arrowmaster | dont |
| 18:13.18 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 18:13.21 | Amarande | must remember to learn Japanese |
| 18:17.58 | Arrowmaster | http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95989 |
| 18:18.07 | Arrowmaster | get the gg-TakaJun torrents |
| 18:19.13 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 18:19.14 | Arrowmaster | http://t.bt.is-ingenio.us/t/%5Bgg-TakaJun%5D_Kara_no_Kyoukai_-_The_Garden_of_Sinners_-_01-05_Batch.torrent |
| 18:19.27 | Arrowmaster | theres all 5 in a single torrent |
| 18:20.47 | Arrowmaster | http://t.bt.is-ingenio.us/t/%5Bgg-TakaJun%5D_Kara_no_Kyoukai_-_The_Garden_of_Sinners_-_06_%5B238F9CE7%5D.mkv.torrent |
| 18:20.50 | Arrowmaster | and theres 6 |
| 18:20.57 | Arrowmaster | 7 still isnt out yet |
| 18:21.46 | Arrowmaster | but you do not want to watch a shitty stream of it from youtube |
| 18:24.41 | kd3 | ^^^^ |
| 18:24.45 | kd3 | this. very much |
| 18:26.10 | Arrowmaster | 5 is like 2 hours long and a 1gig file because of all the high speed fight scenes |
| 18:28.40 | kd3 | wahaha... first trick or treat I finally get the hallowed helm and the title |
| 18:29.21 | kd3 | now all I need is "'Tis the Season" to get my purple drake |
| 18:32.25 | foxlit | I have a bunch of fedex achievements and helm/pet to go :( |
| 18:32.43 | Amarande | I have to wait till at least next year's brewfest to get the purple drake |
| 18:32.58 | Amarande | I didn't play enough during Brewfest, so I only had 202 tokens and had to settle for all but the clothing achievement |
| 18:33.03 | foxlit | The druid needs everything up to valentine's, though. |
| 18:33.24 | Arrowmaster | you guys suck |
| 18:33.42 | Arrowmaster | i had my drake within 5 hours of brewfest starting |
| 18:33.48 | Amarande | but hey, this means I get to keep the brewfest costume next year, though! :) |
| 18:33.55 | Arrowmaster | and now i need to decide when to cancel my account |
| 18:34.10 | foxlit | has a death knight. |
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| 18:36.42 | foxlit | Now how did I get to http://cad-comic.com/sillies.php?d=20091013 :/ |
| 18:42.18 | Amarande | foxlit, do you go to random URLs in your sleep? |
| 18:42.31 | foxlit | No, but I follow random links :/ |
| 18:42.45 | Amarande | one of these mornings you're going to be shaken awake by an FBI agent and find CP on your browser that you didn't remember going to, at this rate ... LOL |
| 18:44.17 | foxlit | That'd be a conundrum. |
| 18:44.45 | foxlit | If some content is illegal to view, how do they expect you to know that viewing the said content is illegal before you view it? |
| 18:46.31 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 18:46.35 | Fisker | i'm dying |
| 18:47.15 | foxlit | Fisker, how can I help? |
| 18:49.01 | Fisker | get me borderlands |
| 18:51.31 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i think he meant how can he help you die |
| 18:53.12 | Fisker | get me borderlands |
| 18:56.39 | Amarande | Night, how's Hallows' End going? |
| 18:58.15 | Amarande | any particularly awesome HH loot this year btw? |
| 18:58.31 | kd3 | the mount? |
| 19:02.13 | olafski | I'm loving the helm ;p |
| 19:02.23 | olafski | they just upgraded all the items to ilvl 200 |
| 19:02.24 | olafski | nothing new |
| 19:05.15 | Amarande | anything worth it for my warlock? |
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| 19:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | you could get off your ass and check any number of websites that have posted the loot |
| 19:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm, grapes so juicy they strain at the skin |
| 19:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/grapes.jpg |
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| 19:08.48 | olafski | I doubt it :P |
| 19:08.51 | olafski | but yeah.. check mmo-c |
| 19:08.57 | olafski | it has 3 epic ilvl 200 rings |
| 19:08.59 | tem | you need a new desk, ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:09.06 | olafski | and a sword that can summon pumpkins ;) |
| 19:09.13 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: I need more than that |
| 19:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: those look good. |
| 19:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: they are delicious |
| 19:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | home grown |
| 19:10.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, my grandfather used to grow grapes in his back yard. always delicious. |
| 19:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | pretty sure I'm going to take some to work with me tomorrow |
| 19:12.59 | tem | wowowow interception |
| 19:13.03 | tem | yay saints |
| 19:15.31 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: we have a still, so we have gallons of grape juice as well |
| 19:16.06 | Kraps | time for an uninstall binge |
| 19:17.42 | Fisker | cries |
| 19:17.44 | Fisker | Amarande :( |
| 19:17.48 | Fisker | can't login :( |
| 19:17.49 | Fisker | also |
| 19:17.52 | Fisker | tards = tards |
| 19:18.08 | Fisker | Rogue who found it nessecary to vanish after summoning HH |
| 19:18.31 | foxlit | But the big bad headless thing will cleave your face in! |
| 19:19.09 | Amarande | server full, Fisker? |
| 19:19.34 | Fisker | no |
| 19:19.37 | Fisker | just laggy as shit |
| 19:20.05 | Amarande | heh, tem, speaking of football, do you think the Titans will wipe out this year? |
| 19:20.19 | Amarande | they're already 0-5, and seeing as they're playing the Patriots today, that looks like 0-6 |
| 19:20.44 | tem | don't know or care |
| 19:20.57 | tem | the NFL is something to watch on sundays when real football isn't on TV |
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| 19:22.40 | Fisker | want to hear a funny story Amarande ? |
| 19:22.50 | Amarande | sure |
| 19:22.58 | Kraps | "real" football? HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:23.32 | Fisker | When someone posts a topic starting with "Do any of you guys actually read the terms and conditions?" and then proceeds to quote a part where it says you may not used unauthorized third-party software that intercepts or mines data through WoW |
| 19:23.52 | Fisker | So that's been there like since the beginning? ;3 |
| 19:24.01 | Cide | yep |
| 19:24.39 | Kraps | so why hasnt mmoc been shut down yet? |
| 19:24.52 | Kraps | not that i want that... |
| 19:25.01 | Cide | why would it? |
| 19:25.05 | Cide | it's a third party site |
| 19:25.13 | Cide | it's not against the law to intercept or mine data through wow |
| 19:25.21 | nevcairiel | everyone does it, every page scans the wdb files |
| 19:25.23 | Cide | blizzard has no grounds to shut it down |
| 19:26.37 | foxlit | I somehow don' think that's the sort of data mining that was disallowed by the ToU |
| 19:26.37 | Dagmar | Well, I'd argue that they've got no real motivation to shut it down |
| 19:26.57 | Dagmar | Yeah, they're mining the client files for data, but they're generating buzz without getting people pissed off. |
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| 19:39.15 | Dagmar | ...they're also very clearly not trying to reverse-engineer the game to run their own private servers. |
| 19:39.41 | Dagmar | That bsing one of the things the "no data mining" policy is targeting |
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| 19:42.17 | Cide | Shirik, alestane, ZorbaTHut: http://pastey.net/126777 |
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| 19:43.09 | Dagmar | I swear, looking at the forums today, I think Blizzard needs to start doing some PSAs |
| 19:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | What about? |
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| 19:43.51 | Dagmar | "Parents! Take those old spray cans in your garage and throw 'em out! Your kids may be huffing paint to get high! Just look at what they post on the forums and you'll see!" |
| 19:44.11 | Cide | refresh, removed some extraneous crap |
| 19:49.15 | Shirik | Cide |
| 19:49.17 | Shirik | that is python |
| 19:49.19 | Shirik | I refuse to read it |
| 19:49.25 | Cide | you'd like it |
| 19:49.42 | Shirik | what do you mean "unique identifier for a given point"? |
| 19:50.01 | Cide | the points have metadata associated with them |
| 19:50.22 | Cide | two neighboring points with different metadata should not be grouped together |
| 19:51.54 | Shirik | like a k-map? :) |
| 19:52.06 | Cide | no clue |
| 19:53.16 | Kraps | "hey carrie i love your songs and im not the type of person that will creep u out (if i spelled some thing rong i am srry i suck at spelling) p.s u rock" |
| 19:54.38 | Cide | Shirik: not quite it seems |
| 19:56.11 | smcn | well i figured out how to get the green protodrake, apparently you have to spend 150 champion seals on the dragonhawk 2 days before you open the egg |
| 20:02.35 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20126981790&sid=1 |
| 20:06.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: huffing paint explains half of 4chan, doesn't it? :D |
| 20:06.59 | Amarande | smcn: bad luck! |
| 20:07.27 | Amarande | that reminds me, I need to finish getting Exalted with Frenzyheart so I'll have all the achievements there and can go oracles and start working on eggs |
| 20:08.47 | Dagmar | Amarande: I was under the impression that the unspoken agreement was that we don't shut down 4chan, and they keep their crap on there |
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| 20:14.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:14.39 | Amarande | can a destro lock easily solo the quest to swap between frenzyheart and oracles |
| 20:14.48 | Amarande | or will I have to go back to demo to do that ... |
| 20:16.16 | zenzelezz | that's the lich thing inside the cave? |
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| 20:19.36 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, might have trouble, from what I know about destro locks. Unless you have some way to tank that I'm not aware of. |
| 20:20.09 | zenzelezz | Amarande: couldn't you just bring a friend anyway? He's not that tough |
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| 20:20.46 | Amarande | zenzelezz: depends on whether I'm questing when they're on or whether I'll be doing it in the late night. :) |
| 20:20.57 | Amarande | yeah, destro locks seem to be really squishy. |
| 20:21.15 | ZorbaTHut | buy dualspec |
| 20:21.16 | zenzelezz | well, you'd only switch from Frenzyheart to Oracles or vice versa once in a while at most |
| 20:21.17 | ZorbaTHut | dualspec into anything |
| 20:21.20 | ZorbaTHut | bam, you can solo it |
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| 20:36.59 | alestane | Cide: So the areas of your grid that have something in them may have different things in them, which should be kept separate from each other? |
| 20:37.15 | kd3 | good grief... it's october and they're playing on a snow-covered field up in new england |
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| 20:37.25 | alestane | It's snowing right now. |
| 20:37.38 | alestane | Sloppy big melty flakes, but it is. |
| 20:37.46 | Dagmar | Hey at least they're not wandering around an open field waving a metal rod about. |
| 20:37.52 | Dagmar | ...during a thunderstorm. |
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| 20:43.39 | Thunder_Child | better than doing it during a lightning storm |
| 20:46.57 | zenzelezz | snuggles Cairenn |
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| 20:47.04 | Cairenn | cuddles zenzelezz |
| 20:47.12 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 20:48.17 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 20:48.22 | Cairenn | hi hi Amarande |
| 20:48.29 | Amarande | how's you? |
| 20:48.41 | Cairenn | I is. You? |
| 20:48.54 | Amarande | is well. |
| 20:49.01 | Cairenn | good :) |
| 20:50.11 | NeoTron | man when did they change the nagrand hunting quests to be a reasonble 12 instead of 30 kills? |
| 20:50.23 | tem | dunno |
| 20:50.25 | tem | 30 was fine imo |
| 20:51.46 | zenzelezz | some time ago I think, but after WotLK |
| 20:51.51 | NeoTron | 12 is much better |
| 20:55.52 | tem | I really don't mind grindy quests |
| 20:56.11 | tem | (only when there isn't a shortage of mobs to kill) |
| 20:56.34 | tem | (if you want me to kill 30 mobs, I expect to find no less than 50 of them together somewhere) |
| 20:56.36 | zenzelezz | I have trouble with the Nesingwary ones, their only objective is "kill". If it's "kill for quest items", I can grind for hours, but for some reason I just can't do plain kill grinding |
| 20:56.50 | tem | hah |
| 20:56.55 | tem | just the oposite for me |
| 20:57.06 | krka | kill for items is painful, especially with bad droprate |
| 20:57.13 | tem | I don't mind killing a bunch but waiting for a bunch of quest items to drop is painful |
| 20:57.25 | zenzelezz | krka: yes, but at least I feel like I'm doing it for a reason |
| 20:57.33 | NeoTron | especially clefthoofs sucked badly |
| 20:57.35 | Dagmar | "That guy over there said to do it." |
| 20:57.46 | zenzelezz | but my experience has been biased by the fact that I've been protection spec since I hit 60, so killing mobs has taken time |
| 20:57.50 | NeoTron | and these quests often had a shortage of mobs even when solo |
| 20:57.52 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Pull more than one at a time then |
| 20:58.03 | NeoTron | Dagmar: huh? |
| 20:58.17 | NeoTron | the problem with clefthoofs is that they are large mobs and thus far and few inbetween |
| 20:58.18 | Dagmar | I killed whole families of clefthooves at once |
| 20:58.36 | tem | same here, Dagmar |
| 20:58.48 | zenzelezz | I rarely kill lots of mobs simultaneously... if I do one by one then at least I don't tend to have to wait for respawns |
| 20:58.52 | tem | Oh god I enjoyed killing entire families of Shoveltusk |
| 20:58.56 | tem | fuck those things |
| 20:59.12 | tem | "You and your whole family are going to regret knocking me off my mount" |
| 21:01.04 | NeoTron | there aren't "whole families". a rather large area typically has 3-5 of them at most |
| 21:01.26 | NeoTron | and even so, I'm an enhance shaman. aoeing doesn't work well |
| 21:01.37 | NeoTron | 12 feels perfect |
| 21:02.38 | Dagmar | I generally didn't feel like doing anything that didn't involve pulling three groups of those at once |
| 21:06.56 | Cide | alestane: correct |
| 21:07.17 | Cide | the scenario in reality is this: |
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| 21:08.00 | Cide | I'm making a world editor for our upcoming game, and zones are categorized into different types depending on expected character level |
| 21:09.12 | Cide | each zone type is given a color, and I want to display areas of a single zone type as a single shape of the same color rather than separate shapes |
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| 21:44.31 | Shirik | sigh http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/10/18/sheriff-holds-news-conference-confirming-the-balloon-boy-incident-was-a-hoax-parents-could-face-jail-time/ |
| 21:44.34 | Shirik | who didn't see that coming |
| 21:45.01 | Dagmar | People who don't watch CNN's "journalists" looking to spin everything into trailer drama |
| 21:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | who didn't care? |
| 21:45.07 | NightHawkTheSane | o/ |
| 21:45.18 | Shirik | I think it's pretty pathetic someone would do that |
| 21:45.19 | Kaso | its depressing that pretty much the entire western media fell for it too |
| 21:45.29 | Dagmar | Oh look, it's Entertainment Weekly. |
| 21:45.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaso: depressing, and yet not surprising |
| 21:45.41 | Dagmar | Yes, they're _clearly_ a bastion of accuracy. |
| 21:45.43 | Shirik | it's just whatever came up on google news, Dagmar :P |
| 21:46.14 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtN_ko6eD8Y&feature=player_embedded is that better Dagmar? |
| 21:46.22 | Shirik | Unless you think the video is fake :P |
| 21:47.18 | Dagmar | I think it's a _cop_ saying something is a hoax. |
| 21:47.42 | Dagmar | I'll wait until a jury has decided something. |
| 21:47.47 | Shirik | well sure |
| 21:47.52 | Shirik | but all EW said was "this guy says it's a hoax" |
| 21:49.23 | Shirik | !!! |
| 21:49.26 | Shirik | They finally got their new building |
| 21:49.27 | Shirik | yay |
| 21:49.46 | Shirik | company I worked for (and plan to work for) is expanding :) |
| 21:50.00 | Dagmar | So what was it that you "saw coming"? |
| 21:50.01 | Shirik | it's funny when the company has more employees than the entire population of the town |
| 21:50.10 | Shirik | Dagmar: That it was a hoax :P |
| 21:50.17 | Shirik | sure, not proven yet |
| 21:50.18 | Shirik | but it is |
| 21:50.37 | Dagmar | Based on what evidence? |
| 21:50.42 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, there's a burger joint on a highway in Seattle, located in Zeketown. Zeketown consists of, and I quote, "The mayor, her husband, their two kids, and a dog." |
| 21:50.52 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:50.58 | ZorbaTHut | The workforce of the burger joint is *substantially* more than the entire town. :) |
| 21:51.16 | ZorbaTHut | (I believe it employs two people from the town, which may be half the population, if you don't count the dog.) |
| 21:51.25 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Just like usual... outsiders coming in and lowering property values |
| 21:51.39 | Shirik | I"m pretty sure Insitu is raising property values |
| 21:52.02 | Shirik | plopping a UAV manufacturer in the middle of an underdeveloped town, heh |
| 21:52.05 | tem | Who was it in this channel that told me to use Adsweep? |
| 21:52.09 | Dagmar | The burger joint is probably paying everyone minimum wage, lowering the standard of living |
| 21:52.14 | Shirik | yes, that is true |
| 21:53.23 | tem | it keeps blocking actual content thiking it's an ad |
| 21:54.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:54.10 | tem | extremely frustrating when there is no way to temporarily disable it without completely restarting Chrome |
| 21:54.22 | tem | I can't read that Article on Ew, for example |
| 21:54.30 | Dagmar | That's a bad thing? |
| 21:54.36 | Dagmar | It's Entertainment Weekly. |
| 21:54.49 | Dagmar | Not only is their new not "hard hitting", it's usually at least half made up. |
| 21:56.00 | tem | way to miss the point, Dagmar |
| 21:56.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: isn't lowering property values generally a good thing? |
| 21:56.11 | Amarande | it makes it cheaper for people to live and for businesses to get started |
| 21:56.17 | Amarande | the only people who lose out are the tax collectors |
| 21:56.26 | Dagmar | Not when you're a homeowner trying to "protect your investment" |
| 21:56.34 | Amarande | well, and people who made the mistake of investing in houses during the bubble :P |
| 21:56.50 | Dagmar | Yeah well, "investing" in homes is kinda stupid anyway |
| 21:56.59 | Dagmar | hey, here's an idea |
| 21:57.02 | Amarande | meh, I've never thought that much of the idea of "protecting" the market value of one's house |
| 21:57.14 | Amarande | unless you're one of the sort of people who moves a lot |
| 21:57.15 | Arrowmaster | for some damn reason all the property values in the county here went down, except our city which went up |
| 21:57.17 | Dagmar | Let's take a large sum of money, and dabble in something other people do seven days a week |
| 21:57.30 | Arrowmaster | we got fucked on taxes |
| 21:57.35 | Dagmar | That can't possibly go wrong |
| 21:58.00 | Dagmar | Oh wait, let's take out a big loan to do it, so that should we be horribly wrong, the bank can actually call in the loan _early_ |
| 21:58.37 | ZorbaTHut | aww I got tricked :( |
| 21:58.39 | Dagmar | ...which is more or less what happens when property values drop and the home is no longer worth enough to cover the loan. |
| 21:59.31 | Arrowmaster | lower property values are only good when you own the home and have no intention of ever selling it |
| 21:59.40 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 21:59.56 | Arrowmaster | which is the exact opposite of the situation my parents are in |
| 21:59.58 | Dagmar | Buy a home and live in it. Then it has value that increases over time. |
| 22:00.03 | Dagmar | ...to at least yourself. |
| 22:00.27 | Arrowmaster | they own the home and have no intention of selling it yet our small city was the only place in the county that had property values increase while everywhere else decreased |
| 22:00.31 | Dagmar | Speculating is something for people who spend a lot of time trying to predict the future. |
| 22:00.54 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Well maybe if they got the rusted out junkers from under the shade tree... |
| 22:01.33 | Arrowmaster | i assume you are referring to the rest of the county? |
| 22:01.40 | Dagmar | Ah, I see |
| 22:01.43 | Dagmar | You need more clunkers then |
| 22:01.58 | Dagmar | "They must be doin' poorly, there ain't no leftover cars in their backyard!" |
| 22:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marina-death17-2009oct17,0,3558556.story lesson: if you want to commit suicide, and not have people notice for a while, do it around halloween. |
| 22:02.17 | Dagmar | Maybe you cab get someone to come out and do the driveway in churt. :0 |
| 22:02.20 | Dagmar | heh |
| 22:03.19 | Dagmar | I'm not sure if that's even legal to use anymore tho |
| 22:04.19 | Arrowmaster | churt? |
| 22:04.43 | Dagmar | Have you ever seen "backroads" that look like they're just dirt, but with an inexplicably orange hue? |
| 22:04.54 | Dagmar | That's "churt". |
| 22:04.56 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 22:05.13 | Dagmar | It's dirt that's been "treated" with chemicals so that basically, not even kudzu will touch it |
| 22:05.19 | Arrowmaster | most of the backroads here are all paved, just paved very poorly |
| 22:05.26 | Dagmar | It's kinda sticky so it doesn't really rinse away into streams |
| 22:05.58 | Dagmar | Man they've still got lots of it in Maury County and thereabouts in TN |
| 22:06.06 | Dagmar | Lots still in Alabama too |
| 22:06.35 | Arrowmaster | this is Ohio, the slightly more advanced of the backwater hick states |
| 22:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | (but only slightly) |
| 22:06.54 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 22:07.10 | Dagmar | Actually, I think ti's probbaly spelled 'chert'. Still trying to find some pictures |
| 22:07.13 | ccox | yeah, ohio added plumbin to their outhouses |
| 22:07.28 | Arrowmaster | my highschool owned farm land all around it |
| 22:07.57 | Arrowmaster | but my highschool did have farming classes |
| 22:09.42 | tem | ~laziness |
| 22:09.42 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 22:09.44 | tem | ~impatience |
| 22:09.45 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 22:09.46 | Arrowmaster | but my highschool also had a lot of other things, like its own grass runway and airplane hanger |
| 22:09.48 | tem | ~hubris |
| 22:09.49 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 22:09.54 | tem | ~fear of complexity |
| 22:09.55 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 22:10.34 | tem | Sorry, Arrowmaster, I didn't mean to spam the middle of your conversaion |
| 22:14.42 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/koiraxd.jpg |
| 22:14.50 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 22:14.54 | Cairenn | happy doggy! |
| 22:15.09 | Dagmar | sfw? |
| 22:15.15 | Cide | yes |
| 22:15.16 | Cairenn | yes |
| 22:16.05 | Dagmar | Okay. I've found it's always a good idea to ask when there's something in the URL that would indicate /b/ is somehow involved. |
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| 22:29.55 | tem | I'm pretty sure that's an abbreviation for bullshit |
| 22:29.59 | tem | not /b/ shit |
| 22:30.16 | tem | why they didn't just use bs, though, is beyond me |
| 22:30.50 | Sesshu | attempt to index global 'ChatFrame1' (a nil value) |
| 22:30.52 | Sesshu | -.- |
| 22:30.55 | Shirik | has teriyaki chicken, shrimp, and scallops over rice |
| 22:31.27 | Shirik | may have put a little too much teriyaki sauce |
| 22:33.34 | Thunder_Child | no such thing! |
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| 22:50.46 | cbreak | Sesshu: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME? |
| 22:51.09 | Sesshu | hm |
| 22:51.54 | Sesshu | i'm only testing something in someone else add on .. but all globals are nil dunno why |
| 22:52.43 | cbreak | something killed _G? |
| 22:53.57 | Sesshu | hm |
| 22:54.00 | Sesshu | could be |
| 22:54.35 | Sesshu | now i see.. all globals are called via _G |
| 22:54.37 | Sesshu | hm |
| 23:03.35 | Arrowmaster | if the error says attempt to index global then its not using _G |
| 23:03.53 | Sesshu | so |
| 23:03.54 | Arrowmaster | more like somebody fucked with setfenv |
| 23:06.02 | Sesshu | oh youre right Arrowmaster |
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| 23:41.06 | batrick | " * Flame Strike: Some ranks of this spell had an incorrect cast time of 3 seconds. All ranks now share a 2-second cast time. |
| 23:41.09 | batrick | " |
| 23:41.49 | batrick | I love how they make it sound like it's not a bug in game design and the implementation has been wrong for the last 5 years. |
| 23:42.37 | Jerub | how did they do that? I hear, "whoops, our data entry sucked and we didn't notice" |
| 23:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 23:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The max rank at 60 was 3 |
| 23:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | At 70, it was 2 |
| 23:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | At 80, it was 2 |
| 23:43.05 | batrick | really? |
| 23:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | from sub-60 to 60, it made sense |
| 23:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It was just never fixed |
| 23:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc, yeah |
| 23:43.20 | batrick | I thought it was 3 seconds for all ranks > ~40 |
| 23:44.07 | batrick | wowhead currently says all ranks after and including level 64 are 3 seconds |
| 23:48.08 | Amarande | flame strike ... that was what spell for what class? |
| 23:48.35 | Amarande | mage, I'm supposing, but I'm foggy since I've never actually leveled a mage past 12 |
| 23:48.37 | batrick | mages |
| 23:48.51 | batrick | targeted area of effect fire ball |
| 23:48.55 | batrick | (essentially) |
| 23:49.30 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.3.0#Bug_Fixes |
| 23:49.30 | ZorbaTHut | it's kind of amazing how they can even have mistakes like that |
| 23:49.47 | ZorbaTHut | if I were them I'd have those spells generated by an automated process so that glitches like that couldn't easily creep in |
| 23:49.50 | kd3 | twiddles his thumbs |
| 23:50.00 | Amarande | Zorba: I suspect that PTR folks tend to copy over their best characters, and thus leveling-up stuff is often missed |
| 23:50.13 | Amarande | that doesn't explain how Blizzard QA misses things though in alpha. |
| 23:51.03 | batrick | whenabouts is 3.3 coming out? I mean based on how long the PTR has been up? |
| 23:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | months |
| 23:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | plural |
| 23:51.15 | batrick | k |
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| 23:51.58 | batrick | the fire changes are good looking enough that I may start playing my mage again |
| 23:52.02 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, see, that still doesn't attack the root of the problem, though |
| 23:52.21 | ZorbaTHut | namely that they should have an automated process making sure that invariants like cast time are actually invariant |
| 23:52.52 | ZorbaTHut | also it's kind of depressing that every single class besides warriors (and rogues, I suppose) has, like, a huge pile of fixes and improvements |
| 23:52.55 | kd3 | now this would be blizz making sense |
| 23:53.07 | ZorbaTHut | and meanwhile, warriors are "this ability can be trained earlier, and we're nerfing damage shield" :( |
| 23:53.31 | kd3 | it's still too early in the ptr cycle to have all of the patch notes |
| 23:53.35 | Jerub | I've always wondered how good/bad the GM and developer tools are. |
| 23:53.52 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, if it's anything like most game studios, absolutely horrific |
| 23:53.55 | kd3 | especially considering typos like 'etQuestsCompleted' |
| 23:54.27 | batrick | Is this info (http://www.wowwiki.com/Intellect#Intellect) incorrect? I thought INT now increases SP? |
| 23:54.36 | smcn | cataclysm |
| 23:54.39 | kd3 | it does in 4.0 |
| 23:54.39 | WobWork | GM/developer tools are never a high priority past release =P |
| 23:54.47 | batrick | ah : / |
| 23:55.07 | batrick | which I guess won't be out for another year? |
| 23:55.23 | batrick | Guess I won't be playing again come 3.3. |
| 23:55.45 | ZorbaTHut | nah, 6 months or so, I suspect |
| 23:55.46 | Amarande | Zorba: I don't see much for warlocks other than a sad nerf for Conflagrate |
| 23:55.50 | Codayus_ | batrick: Less than that, but a while, yeah. You can assume 3.3 will come out before people get too bored with ToC, and then 4.0 will come out before people get too bored with Icecrown. |
| 23:55.54 | Amarande | I hope this doesn't hurt my Destro DPS too much :| |
| 23:56.18 | WobWork | I ran UK with a lvl 71 warlock yesterday |
| 23:56.25 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, dude, you have no less than *twelve items* |
| 23:56.25 | WobWork | he was doing 300dps |
| 23:56.26 | batrick | I just hope they don't gimp the mana gained per point of INT to even things out. |
| 23:56.49 | Codayus_ | batrick: Meh, they'll balance abilities and encounters around it either way. |
| 23:56.56 | ZorbaTHut | eight of which look like strict buffs to me |
| 23:57.01 | WobWork | he was applying his dots... |
| 23:57.05 | WobWork | and maybe haunt |
| 23:57.10 | WobWork | but not doing anything else |
| 23:57.19 | Codayus_ | One way or another, they'll try to keep mana limited enough to be a concern for most caster types. |
| 23:57.30 | WobWork | of course, his attack power gear probably helped |
| 23:57.33 | Sesshu | anyone here who know how the ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler of prat works? |
| 23:57.33 | ZorbaTHut | (one of which, admittedly, is a training-level buff) |
| 23:57.54 | Codayus_ | And yeah, warlocks are getting some nice changes in 3.3. |
| 23:58.38 | Amarande | well, the new avoidance functionality is nice for my imp |
| 23:58.42 | Amarande | and 15 minute soulstones are shiny |
| 23:58.49 | Amarande | but it seems Destro specifically is getting very little |
| 23:58.56 | WobWork | as long as you remember to reapply them =( |
| 23:59.16 | Jerub | 10 minute rebirth :D |
| 23:59.24 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, my fury spec is literally getting nothing. my prot spec is getting a nerf. you are in much much better shape :P |
| 23:59.28 | Jerub | that's 2 in a long raid fight. |
| 23:59.29 | WobWork | Jerub: <3 |
| 23:59.34 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Meh, respec affliction. |
| 23:59.47 | Jerub | or 1 per boss if you're doing naxx. |
