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| 00:00.37 | foxlit | Will be interesting to see what people do with it, anyway. |
| 00:01.07 | Iriel | It will be nice if they can add the file path too (I know it's been requested) |
| 00:01.26 | Iriel | For the nested embedophiles |
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| 00:03.33 | Iriel | Really you can just consider the table 'addon local scope' |
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| 00:03.52 | Iriel | Most arguments (performance notwithstanding) against it can be made against locals in general |
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| 00:08.33 | WobWork | oh look I can play lotro free for a week! |
| 00:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | ... poor baby |
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| 00:24.00 | ScytheBlade1 | wow win |
| 00:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | x5 epic gem xmute proc |
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| 00:29.18 | Legorol | I can think of two good reasons for addon-local tables: reducing the number of entries in _G, and avoiding namespace clashes. |
| 00:29.35 | Legorol | Both of which have been issues in the past before people got into the habit of not storing every single variable in _G |
| 00:30.32 | End | I'm guessing if we want to make that table globally touchable, we'll have to expose it ourselves? |
| 00:31.12 | foxlit | Legorol: the former is not a good reason |
| 00:31.44 | foxlit | And I'm not entirely sold on the latter, either. |
| 00:32.07 | Legorol | foxlit: they may not be that good reasons, but just throwing everything in _G definitely caused problems in the past |
| 00:32.19 | foxlit | What sort of problems? |
| 00:32.19 | Legorol | arguably having one entry in _G per addon is not a problem, and addon name is unique anyway |
| 00:32.47 | Legorol | i think it's been demonstrated that having a large number of entries in _G results in lookups in _G being slower |
| 00:32.56 | durcyn | changesa all of foxlit's variable names to _ |
| 00:33.02 | durcyn | -a |
| 00:33.07 | Legorol | so when people didn't keep a table for their addon, and addon variables were of the form AddOnName_Variable1 etc., it got bloated |
| 00:33.15 | foxlit | Legorol: It's a hash table. |
| 00:33.30 | Legorol | i'm sure the more knowledgable folks will correct me if I'm wrong |
| 00:33.41 | Legorol | but there was sometihng about _G getting too big and getting slower |
| 00:33.46 | foxlit | It's supposed to have constant access time. |
| 00:33.59 | Legorol | i understand what a hash table is,a nd i don't remember the details |
| 00:34.12 | foxlit | In fact, I recall testing that. I couldn't find a difference between a nearly empty table and a table with a million entries. |
| 00:37.23 | foxlit | So I'm rather inclined to think that that particular issue isn't a very large one :) |
| 00:37.38 | Legorol | oki |
| 00:37.44 | Legorol | i blame my memory then |
| 00:38.58 | Lopeppeppy | Need a RAM upgrade there. |
| 00:40.12 | NeoTron | foxlit: that depends A LOT on what's in the table |
| 00:40.18 | NeoTron | and the hashing mechanism used |
| 00:40.34 | foxlit | You've got any concrete example of where Lua's hashing fails? |
| 00:42.47 | foxlit | Obviously things will suck if you manage to collide all million entries, but the probability of doing that should be insignificant. |
| 00:42.57 | NeoTron | no. I don't know how lua hashing menas. just saying that one tests alone can't say whether or not it scales well with another set of data |
| 00:43.11 | NeoTron | s/menas/works/ |
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| 00:55.16 | Kraftman | how can i make a frame that on clicking creates another frame and starts dragging the new frame? :S |
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| 01:04.35 | Kaso | Kraftman, look up CreateFrame() ? |
| 01:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | bedtime for the precious peppy, y'all stay good. |
| 01:06.14 | Kraftman | i guess i should be more specific |
| 01:07.20 | Kraftman | currently the first frame creates a new frame, but instead of doing what its supposed to when i click it, the new frame creates yet another new frame |
| 01:07.31 | Kraftman | its like it thinks ive just clicked the first frame again |
| 01:10.22 | Kaso | wouldnt it be something like frame1:OnClick() CreateFrame(frame2) frame2:StartMoving() end (in pseudo ofc) which second click? |
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| 01:12.17 | Kraftman | well i have frame2:OnClick() frame2:StopMoving() |
| 01:12.30 | Kraftman | but it doesnt stop dragging, it gets stuck to the mouse |
| 01:12.34 | Kaso | oh yah |
| 01:13.09 | Kaso | you'd need to do OnMouseUp |
| 01:13.23 | Kraftman | well yeh |
| 01:13.30 | Kaso | and make sure you set the the second frame to mouse enabled |
| 01:13.50 | Kraftman | yeh they are both mouseenabled |
| 01:14.45 | Kaso | hmm, this is an odd edge case i'm not familar with how it'd all work really |
| 01:14.52 | Kraftman | no worries |
| 01:15.27 | Kaso | is the mouse still "owned" by the first frame so to speak, does it get the onMouseUp instead maybe? |
| 01:15.57 | Kraftman | im going to put some print()s in to try and work out whats goign on |
| 01:15.59 | Kraftman | thanks |
| 01:16.07 | Kaso | a good idea |
| 01:17.25 | DWSR | ~seen ZorbaTHut |
| 01:17.28 | purl | zorbathut is currently on #wowuidev #curseforge. Has said a total of 36 messages. Is idling for 3h 5m, last said: 'dagmar, amen. crash early and crash often.'. |
| 01:20.22 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut |
| 01:21.43 | mikma | scytheblade1: i saw a player moment ago that had 45% accuracy and 47% headshot... wat? |
| 01:22.10 | mikma | when i killed 408 infected he killed 333 |
| 01:22.26 | Jerub | mikma: that just means he was picking his shots. |
| 01:22.48 | Jerub | mikma: what weapon did he use? m16 i hope |
| 01:23.09 | mikma | m16 |
| 01:23.19 | mikma | i've never seen anyone got more then 25% headshot |
| 01:23.34 | DWSR | mikma: Do you only play on pubs? |
| 01:23.41 | mikma | dwsr: ya |
| 01:23.45 | DWSR | That's why. |
| 01:24.07 | Jerub | I've gotten 35-40% before. |
| 01:24.11 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:24.46 | Jerub | mikma: the idea is that you shoot the zombies at closer range in the head, they all go down instantly |
| 01:24.46 | mikma | what has the pub do with that one? lolwut? |
| 01:24.59 | DWSR | mikma: Good players don't play on pubs. |
| 01:25.52 | mikma | then where do they play |
| 01:25.59 | DWSR | Private clan servers. |
| 01:26.12 | mikma | lolo |
| 01:26.36 | mikma | i was hoping you would have said "in my head" |
| 01:27.15 | mikma | i love shotguns |
| 01:27.20 | mikma | damn they rule |
| 01:28.26 | Jerub | i always use the shotgun wrong. i'm not mobile enough. |
| 01:28.30 | Jerub | too used to the rifle. |
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| 01:29.14 | mikma | how can you use it wrong? point and click, haha |
| 01:29.25 | Kraftman | holding it the wrong way around |
| 01:29.37 | mikma | still its point and click |
| 01:29.43 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:29.48 | DWSR | mikma: Shotgun's got way too short a range. |
| 01:29.54 | Jerub | mikma: the shotgun can be used as a run+shoot weapon, but i have this horrible tendancy to stop moving for a second before opening fire. |
| 01:30.28 | Kaso | So priests are looking to be in for a good patch with 3.3 |
| 01:30.38 | Jerub | Kaso: how so? |
| 01:30.39 | DWSR | Kaso: Heh |
| 01:30.52 | Jerub | i don't need a priest anymore, I've got a runescroll of fortitude :D |
| 01:30.58 | Kaso | Shadowform now let the periodic damage of your Shadow Word: Pain, Devouring Plague, and Vampiric Touch spells benefit from haste. |
| 01:30.58 | mikma | dwsr: thats why i let them to come to me and booma or i go to them =D |
| 01:31.13 | Kaso | Glyph of Mind Flay now Increases the damage done by your Mind Flay spell by 10% when your target is afflicted with Shadow Word: Pain. |
| 01:31.13 | Kaso | Glyph of Shadow Word: Pain changed to - The periodic damage ticks of your Shadow Word: Pain spell restore 1% of your base mana. |
| 01:31.13 | Kaso | Glyph of Shadow now increase your spell power by 30% of your spirit for 10 sec. (Up from 10%) |
| 01:31.20 | mikma | best thing: run backwards and pump some zombies down |
| 01:31.44 | Kaso | Power Word: Shield; This spell can now be cast on non-raid/party friendly targets. |
| 01:31.44 | Kaso | Improved Devouring Plague: This spell now deals 10/20/30% of its total periodic effect instantly, up from 5/10/15%. |
| 01:31.44 | Kaso | Vampiric Embrace: This ability is now provides a 30-minute buff that cannot be dispelled, instead of a target debuff. |
| 01:31.48 | Kaso | sorry for spam |
| 01:31.50 | Kaso | but yeah |
| 01:31.56 | Kaso | every one of those changes is awesome |
| 01:32.40 | DWSR | Kaso: Yeah. |
| 01:32.47 | DWSR | Now they might actually do competitive DPS. |
| 01:33.41 | WobWork | Kaso: interesting change on PW:S |
| 01:33.56 | Kaso | mostly for wintergrasp i presume |
| 01:34.00 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:35.16 | Kaso | the limit was originally there to prevent griefing i think i wonder if they're just presuming it wont be too much of an issue anymore? |
| 01:37.12 | Kaso | # âMouseIsOverâ has been converted to a âCâ function for increased efficiency (e.g. /dump PlayerFrame:IsMouseOver() ). |
| 01:37.15 | Kaso | intersting |
| 01:37.26 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/70937/ |
| 01:37.31 | mikma | oh, wow |
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| 01:37.36 | mikma | permapet for mage |
| 01:37.51 | Kaso | thats very interesting |
| 01:38.08 | mikma | i bet they will change that so it has 2min cd instead |
| 01:38.46 | bluspacecow | Kaso : what does this mean to the addon user ? |
| 01:38.56 | bluspacecow | i mean what advantages can you see from that |
| 01:39.05 | Kaso | devtool's frame stack will run faster? |
| 01:39.14 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 01:39.23 | Kaso | not much, i cant think of many other uses for that function |
| 01:39.36 | Kaso | its interesting they chose to upgraded it |
| 01:39.37 | Iriel | It's called frequently in many popup style situations |
| 01:39.42 | Kaso | ah |
| 01:39.49 | bluspacecow | oh hai Iriel /hug |
| 01:39.51 | Iriel | TO determine when the mouse leaves a frame so it can be minimized |
| 01:39.56 | bluspacecow | have a good vacation ? |
| 01:40.01 | Iriel | Yes thanks |
| 01:40.13 | Kaso | Iriel, do you have your irc client set to ping when someone says devtools ? :p |
| 01:40.26 | Iriel | Kaso: No 8-) |
| 01:40.29 | bluspacecow | devtools |
| 01:40.37 | bluspacecow | devtools x 1000000000000000000000 |
| 01:40.41 | bluspacecow | dang |
| 01:43.19 | mikma | lua> local foo = "devtools"; for i=1,20 do foo = foo.." "..foo end print(foo) |
| 01:43.20 | lua_bot | mikma: devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools devtools dev... (result truncated) |
| 01:43.38 | Jerub | ponders. |
| 01:43.46 | Jerub | that might be good for pre-shutdown /2 spam ;) |
| 01:44.08 | mikma | lua> local foo = "Iriel"; for i=1,5 do foo = foo.." "..foo end print(foo) |
| 01:44.08 | lua_bot | mikma: Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel Iriel |
| 01:44.30 | Kaso | i apologise Iriel for being the catalyst of this ^ |
| 01:44.37 | Iriel | Now iriel, I have a trigger for |
| 01:44.40 | Iriel | but I have my sound off |
| 01:45.18 | mikma | iriel who |
| 01:45.40 | bluspacecow | guys what version of lua is wow running now 4 or 5 or 5.1 ? |
| 01:45.54 | DWSR | 5.1 iirc |
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| 01:46.09 | DWSR | It's not all of 5.1, but that's the version it's based on |
| 01:46.09 | WobWork | Iriel: So improve tooltip speeds |
| 01:46.12 | bluspacecow | oh hai Seerah |
| 01:46.24 | Seerah | hi, blu :) |
| 01:46.25 | mikma | no, improve tooltip, damnit |
| 01:46.37 | bluspacecow | Seerah : do you know wha versio of lua the wow client runs now ? |
| 01:46.52 | mikma | ~google wow lua version |
| 01:46.56 | Seerah | 5.1? |
| 01:47.21 | DWSR | 5.1 |
| 01:47.29 | DWSR | A subset of 5.1, actually. |
| 01:47.40 | bluspacecow | ah thanks everyone |
| 01:47.53 | Seerah | *nod* Blizz added a few custom things, etc |
| 01:48.00 | DWSR | And removed some stuff. |
| 01:48.07 | mikma | lua> print(math.pi) |
| 01:48.08 | lua_bot | mikma: 3.1415926535898 |
| 01:48.15 | Pneumatus | have blizz's devtools been touched in 3.3 yet? |
| 01:48.24 | Pneumatus | wtb filters for /eventtrace still :< |
| 01:48.34 | bluspacecow | not sure i certainly haven't fondled it lately |
| 01:49.09 | Pneumatus | filters on eventtrace are the only thing keeping me from removing DevTools |
| 01:49.14 | bluspacecow | let me go "attempt" to log in |
| 01:49.31 | Iriel | I've been too busy to look into that also. |
| 01:50.13 | Kaso | *You can now query for a list of completed quests with âQueryQuestsCompleted()â |
| 01:50.14 | mikma | you suck |
| 01:50.16 | Kaso | interesting |
| 01:50.17 | DWSR | Anyone know where Zorba went? |
| 01:50.23 | Kaso | lot of interesting stuff |
| 01:50.30 | mikma | zorbathut: kjhgvcdfghjk |
| 01:50.36 | bluspacecow | they |
| 01:50.45 | bluspacecow | broke it O_O;; |
| 01:50.46 | DWSR | mikma: I highlighted him a while ago, just wondering where he went. |
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| 01:51.12 | mikma | dwsr: i bet masturbating |
| 01:51.22 | bluspacecow | all i see in the events box is begin capture |
| 01:51.40 | Pneumatus | guess it's not changed then |
| 01:52.13 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.23 | Pneumatus | that got fixed in 3.2.2 |
| 01:52.25 | bluspacecow | funny that command has events flowing through it on live |
| 01:52.54 | Pneumatus | :o |
| 01:53.11 | Jerub | Kaso: !?!@$@!?!@ I want that |
| 01:53.13 | bluspacecow | maybe its cause im on a level 1 ? |
| 01:53.39 | Kaso | Jerub, wait till next patch then |
| 01:53.43 | bluspacecow | worked last time i used it on my mage premade |
| 01:53.56 | Jerub | Kaso: but i want it now. |
| 01:53.59 | Kaso | lol |
| 01:54.06 | Kaso | make a ptr account ;p |
| 01:54.09 | Jerub | wait, if i port my character to the PTR, will my quests reset? |
| 01:54.16 | Kaso | i dont think so |
| 01:54.19 | Pneumatus | nop |
| 01:54.22 | bluspacecow | what quests ? |
| 01:54.27 | Kaso | any quests |
| 01:54.27 | bluspacecow | ah thats why no events |
| 01:54.29 | Jerub | are you thinking what I'm thinking? |
| 01:54.36 | Kaso | Jerub, give it a go |
| 01:54.38 | Kaso | report back ;p |
| 01:54.40 | bluspacecow | event trace doesn't seem to work with level 1 toons |
| 01:54.45 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 01:55.09 | Kaso | call âQueryQuestsCompleted()â then wait for the âQUEST_QUERY_COMPLETEâ event, and call âGetQuestsCompleted(<luatable>)â. |
| 01:55.17 | Pneumatus | bluspacecow: working fine here |
| 01:55.25 | Pneumatus | finally got an alt logged on to ptr :_) |
| 01:55.38 | Kaso | i presume <luatable> will then be populated with every quest you've completed, in some as yet un-defined format |
| 01:55.44 | bluspacecow | hmm did the event trace have how many frames and how long elapsed for those frames before ? |
| 01:55.54 | Pneumatus | yup |
| 01:55.56 | Jerub | you know what this means? we can have an arrow pointing towards the best /questgivers/ as well as handins, for optimal questing :D |
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| 01:56.22 | Jerub | rubs hands together with glee |
| 01:58.35 | ZorbaTHut | huh. interesting. |
| 01:58.39 | ZorbaTHut | that will certainly make things easier. |
| 01:58.53 | ZorbaTHut | is that 3.3? |
| 01:58.59 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah |
| 01:59.02 | Kaso | oh ZorbaTHut |
| 01:59.07 | Kaso | just made a post on SA to you ;p |
| 01:59.15 | Jerub | SA? |
| 01:59.17 | Pneumatus | is there a 3.3 api changes thread somewhere? |
| 01:59.18 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut! |
| 01:59.21 | Jerub | as in something awful? |
| 01:59.21 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, in the qh thread? |
| 01:59.26 | Kaso | yah |
| 01:59.32 | Kaso | Pneumatus, this is coming from http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/patch-3-3-ptr-build-10571/ |
| 01:59.52 | Jerub | my wife will be extremely happy |
| 01:59.53 | Kaso | didn't realise you were in here |
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| 02:00.33 | ZorbaTHut | I am everywhere |
| 02:00.54 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, that'll make it hugely easier to do some of the quest chain handling that I've wanted to do. And, obviously, support for Loremaster. |
| 02:00.57 | bluspacecow | Pneu : |
| 02:00.58 | bluspacecow | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17220&goto=newpost |
| 02:01.18 | ZorbaTHut | although I don't think I have quest pickup locations yet, I'll have to start accumulating those ASAP |
| 02:03.08 | Pneumatus | you'd need to work out all the prequests/level requirements as well i guess to effectively show quest givers |
| 02:03.14 | Pytlask | afaict, the 'addon table' is just a way to have 'private' variables across lua files |
| 02:03.23 | Jerub | awesome: # Experience earned for a quest will display in the Quest Rewards section. |
| 02:04.33 | Pneumatus | a real simple implementation could be for a loremaster type addon though to show you every quest giver for quests you've not complete |
| 02:04.41 | Pneumatus | well, not that simple |
| 02:04.55 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, just stick it into the next QH update |
| 02:04.58 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: that's the best use for such a function, everything else is just icing on the cake :D |
| 02:05.13 | Jerub | Pneumatus: yeah, not quite that simple, need to acknowledge quest chains and race/class restrictions |
| 02:05.28 | Pneumatus | and mutually exclusive quests |
| 02:05.28 | Pneumatus | etc |
| 02:06.38 | Pneumatus | it would still require a database of every questid, giver location and any restriction flags i guess |
| 02:06.49 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, I will, but I have to write it first :P |
| 02:06.52 | Jerub | Pneumatus: most of the data exists. |
| 02:07.04 | Jerub | it's just a matter of getting the data accurately. :) |
| 02:07.09 | ZorbaTHut | pneumatus, even just showing a list of questgivers who give quests you don't yet have would be a major improvement |
| 02:07.13 | Pneumatus | not to mention the voodoo of phasing |
| 02:07.19 | ZorbaTHut | but I do have an idea on how to get min levels/quest prereqs |
| 02:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | and race/class |
| 02:07.36 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: my wife is a hardcore completionist, and is currently working on outland, has completed northrend. |
| 02:07.49 | Pneumatus | ZorbaTHut: you can get mutually exclusive quests by checking rewards as well, id have thought |
| 02:07.49 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: do this, and she'll be more than happy to have your babies. |
| 02:07.51 | ZorbaTHut | however, my idea basically requires that function to already exist, so I won't be gathering that info immediately ;) |
| 02:08.06 | Pneumatus | like class quests where there are 3/4 versions per faction but once you do one they all dissapear |
| 02:08.25 | ZorbaTHut | pneumatus, I don't care a whole lot about mutually exclusive quests, they're rare enough that it simply does not concern me. I'm curious how they work in the quest function though |
| 02:08.46 | Pneumatus | yeh, i wonder if you complete one they all get added to the table |
| 02:08.53 | Dagmar | You're probbaly not going to do the epic warrior quest as a priest |
| 02:09.49 | Pneumatus | that could possibly be confirmed by comparing the table size to the amount of quests the achievement stats pane shows, although daily quests screw that count up |
| 02:10.40 | ZorbaTHut | it'll take a bunch of testing |
| 02:10.42 | ZorbaTHut | still, I'm quite excited about the possibilities. that just turned what was going to be a horrible guessfest into something relatively elegant |
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| 02:20.14 | DWSR | Someone mind telling me why Soul Link is STILL dispellable? |
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| 02:21.53 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: it's not? |
| 02:22.01 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
| 02:22.23 | Mikk | random dispel or mass? |
| 02:22.30 | DWSR | random dispel. |
| 02:22.38 | Gnarfoz | combat log line? |
| 02:22.58 | Gnarfoz | it has no magic type anymore, so I'd wonder who is able to dispel typeless debuffs ;p |
| 02:23.14 | DWSR | scrolled off by now. |
| 02:23.19 | DWSR | But I lost it in the middle of an AB. |
| 02:23.21 | Gnarfoz | uhm right |
| 02:23.24 | Gnarfoz | pvp etc? |
| 02:23.26 | DWSR | yes. |
| 02:23.26 | Gnarfoz | got banished? |
| 02:23.29 | Gnarfoz | your pet got banished? |
| 02:23.36 | DWSR | Ah, right. |
| 02:23.41 | DWSR | It temporarily removes the debuff? |
| 02:23.42 | Gnarfoz | (the former line was "did you get cycloned?", actuallly) |
| 02:23.43 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 02:23.52 | DWSR | ah, mkay. |
| 02:23.55 | DWSR | makes sense. |
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| 02:25.37 | DWSR | didn't think it would remove it. |
| 02:25.57 | Gnarfoz | it should restore it afterwards, just like Pally auras |
| 02:26.15 | DWSR | O.o? |
| 02:26.17 | DWSR | Dude, wtf? |
| 02:26.24 | DWSR | I just saw the emote text "This is madness" |
| 02:26.29 | DWSR | Like...as in the character's name was This. |
| 02:26.32 | DWSR | But...it's not. |
| 02:27.36 | Kaso | stealthed rogue named This nearby maybe? |
| 02:27.47 | Gnarfoz | get some sleep maybe? |
| 02:27.47 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 02:27.51 | Kaso | lol |
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| 02:28.16 | DWSR | Kaso: I'm in a BG. No one named "This" period. |
| 02:28.25 | Kaso | odd |
| 02:28.45 | Gnarfoz | screenshot or it didn't happen! |
| 02:28.50 | Gnarfoz | (yay) |
| 02:29.04 | Gnarfoz | also, someone tell me why my server won't boot anymore. damn debian upgrades. |
| 02:30.31 | DWSR | Does detect invis actually work on rogues/kitties"? |
| 02:31.36 | Kaso | nope, invisibility and stealth are different mechanics |
| 02:32.01 | Kaso | invisibility will help against mages and warlock imps though! |
| 02:32.09 | DWSR | except imps aren't invisible. |
| 02:32.19 | DWSR | So obviously you don't know shit. |
| 02:32.23 | Kaso | arent they? |
| 02:32.34 | DWSR | Phase Shift != invisibility. |
| 02:32.39 | DWSR | The succubus has Invis. |
| 02:32.41 | Kaso | ah |
| 02:32.45 | Kaso | yeah thats it |
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| 02:38.43 | DWSR | !A -> !B =\ |
| 02:43.10 | Gnarfoz | <DWSR> So obviously you don't know shit. <-- big words from the guy who doesn't know what SL is affected by and who had to ask the 5 year old "does detect invis work on rogues" question. :P |
| 02:43.35 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: If I don't know anything, but I know that what he's saying is wrong. |
| 02:43.39 | DWSR | He knows less than I do. |
| 02:43.58 | Gnarfoz | your first statement is a paradox. |
| 02:44.31 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Not if you know English. |
| 02:44.35 | Dagmar | You forget what game they're talking about |
| 02:45.13 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: I do, and you're still full of it. Keep playing those BGs, though. ;-) |
| 02:45.18 | Dagmar | Being a d**k to others is par |
| 02:46.07 | Kaso | this is all getting a little bit dramaramay |
| 02:46.22 | Kaso | i clearly got imps and succubus mixed up, thats all. |
| 02:47.28 | DWSR | Obviously. |
| 02:47.37 | DWSR | Since no one uses the freakin' succubus except in arena nuke spcs. |
| 02:47.38 | DWSR | specs* |
| 02:48.06 | Kaso | you seem a very angry person |
| 02:48.21 | DWSR | Not angry. |
| 02:48.27 | DWSR | They see me trollin', they hatin'. |
| 02:49.25 | Dagmar | That's right. Go ahead and emulate lowlifes. |
| 02:54.36 | Codayus_ | DWSR: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31859 |
| 02:54.45 | Codayus_ | That's what generates the "This is madness!" emote. |
| 02:55.02 | DWSR | ah |
| 02:55.04 | DWSR | thanks. |
| 02:55.08 | Codayus_ | (Assuming I understood what you were talking about, anyhow.) |
| 02:55.52 | Dagmar | Interesting, an RP card |
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| 03:20.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut ping |
| 03:20.13 | ZorbaTHut | pong |
| 03:26.17 | ZorbaTHut | well, I had my first actual set bonus ever, for precisely one fight |
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| 03:31.28 | ZorbaTHut | and now I'm off to bed. send me a /msg and I'll respond when I wake up |
| 03:34.00 | ZorbaTHut | man, rain, earthquake, and like four random bits of gear upgrade. today is a good day. |
| 03:36.19 | Dagmar | Wooo four whole inches |
| 03:37.16 | Jerub | that's what she said |
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| 03:46.35 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, you live in SF? |
| 03:47.35 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, nvm |
| 03:47.41 | Dagmar | I've already emailed my friends from SF about that and told them that's the sort of rain I talked about there being in Tennessee most of the year |
| 03:48.00 | Dagmar | They get a light mist over there and call it rain. |
| 03:51.44 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, there was a quake in SF, 3.7 |
| 03:51.50 | Thunder_Child | thats why i was asking |
| 03:53.48 | Dagmar | Dude it's San Francisco. |
| 03:53.57 | Dagmar | Does the day end in a 'y'? |
| 03:54.01 | Adys | Anyone tried QueryQuestsCompleted() on ptr? |
| 03:54.07 | Adys | QUEST_QUERY_COMPLETE never fires here |
| 03:54.10 | Dagmar | If so, there was probably some seismiv activity |
| 03:54.42 | Dagmar | Honestly, unless it happens between say 11pm and 2am, no one gets that worked up about it until it hits 4.5 or highter |
| 03:55.15 | Dagmar | Those hours are DJs hours and turntables and shaking bases don't mix |
| 03:55.42 | WobWork | Orly Taitz, aside from having a rage inducing name, is batshit crazu |
| 03:55.44 | WobWork | y |
| 03:56.03 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, they havent had a quake over 3 in the last couple of weeks. also, i live in LA, i know all about quakes |
| 04:04.37 | DWSR | I know all about Quake too. |
| 04:04.42 | DWSR | wait.... |
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| 04:09.03 | ccox | if it isn't at least a 4.0, nobody will notice |
| 04:09.42 | ccox | (especially since we're looking at localized flooding and power outages right now) |
| 04:13.48 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/completed.html |
| 04:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: how did you generate that list? |
| 04:21.53 | Adys | I haxed blizz servers |
| 04:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That is quite the hax |
| 04:22.05 | Adys | haxed my way to the official patchnotes and read them to be precise |
| 04:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I should do that sooner or later |
| 04:22.37 | Adys | You can now query for a list of completed quests with âQueryQuestsCompleted()â then wait for the âQUEST_QUERY_COMPLETEâ event, and call âGetQuestsCompleted(<luatable>)â. |
| 04:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That is kinda awesome |
| 04:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ... @ xkcd |
| 04:33.16 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/11810/2d5c400395ce0f501be964ed81645d6f.jpg |
| 04:34.36 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/11390/horespq7.jpg |
| 04:36.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1402301&cid=29730621 |
| 04:37.48 | DWSR | T_C: love that first one. |
| 04:44.37 | Jerub | Adys: how hard was that to generate? |
| 04:45.27 | Adys | i dunno, how hard do you think it can get within 10 seconds? |
| 04:45.30 | Adys | </outofcontext> |
| 04:46.55 | Jerub | Adys: ;) |
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| 04:47.12 | Adys | anyway it was just a query ingame, saved it into a lua table |
| 04:47.32 | Adys | transformed to json, transformed back into a python list |
| 04:47.45 | Adys | querying the quests on my own db and all that in pretty much 10 lines of code |
| 04:48.18 | Jerub | WTB [Patch 3.3] PST. |
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| 04:53.03 | DWSR | WTS [Patch 3.3] 16k. PST. |
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| 04:59.48 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.43 | DWSR | Jerub: I dunno. |
| 05:01.05 | DWSR | /w Jerub Gonna have to compensate in other ways, nowutimean? |
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| 05:10.18 | m^rk | what extra can you do in initialconfigfunction? can you hide child frames of the header? |
| 05:15.33 | Shadowed | If I remember right you can pretty much do anything you want, except for modifying attributes that start with an underscore |
| 05:23.27 | m^rk | sometimes my child frames don't get hidden when in a battleground. I do it in initalconfig and I'm trying to figure out why. |
| 05:23.57 | m^rk | i'm wondering if all you can do is change attributes, not show or hide anything |
| 05:24.44 | m^rk | which pretty much crushes the concept i had of having a configurable number of buttons |
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| 05:52.29 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:52.31 | Shirik | power surge just came through |
| 05:52.56 | Shirik | my AC got really pissed off, UPS went into protected mode, lights got really bright |
| 05:52.59 | Shirik | it was craziii |
| 05:53.39 | DWSR | lol |
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| 05:54.12 | Shirik | scared me for a second because the AC got really loud and it was so bright for just a second that I thouht it was a spark or something |
| 05:54.20 | Shirik | then I figured it out when I saw my server's monitor was off :P |
| 05:54.25 | Fisker | i threw you on the ground Shirik |
| 05:54.29 | Fisker | you know what's annoying? |
| 05:54.35 | Fisker | (besides me) |
| 05:54.46 | Shirik | Fisker-? |
| 05:54.50 | Fisker | no u |
| 05:55.01 | Shirik | so Fisker is annoying but Fisker- is not? |
| 05:55.04 | Fisker | But it's annoying have windows update reboot your machine .( |
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| 06:00.39 | Shirik | it's annoying have reboot reboot your machine |
| 06:00.56 | Fisker | you know who i like Shirik ? |
| 06:01.01 | Shirik | me? |
| 06:01.29 | Fisker | no your mom |
| 06:01.40 | Fisker | which you probably hadn't considered |
| 06:01.52 | Shirik | I am your father |
| 06:02.15 | Fisker | well i'm your new sister or brothers father |
| 06:02.17 | Fisker | sooo |
| 06:02.21 | Gnarfoz | interesting family relations in the house of Fisker & Shirik |
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| 06:03.06 | Fisker | yes Gnarfoz |
| 06:03.10 | Shirik | krka can come too |
| 06:03.13 | Fisker | however you should tell me your google wave address |
| 06:03.26 | Gnarfoz | same as always, my nick @ gmail.com |
| 06:03.34 | Fisker | i'm not sure what your nick is |
| 06:03.42 | Gnarfoz | me neither |
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| 06:04.00 | Gnarfoz | so tell me |
| 06:04.18 | Gnarfoz | why the hell did my server's boot sequence get fucked up? |
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| 06:04.59 | DWSR | Anyone here a fan of triphop/downtempo? |
| 06:05.04 | Fisker | what 9000? |
| 06:05.38 | DWSR | That's impossible. |
| 06:05.38 | Shirik | IT'S OVER 9000! |
| 06:07.17 | Adys | !api holiday |
| 06:07.18 | lua_bot | CalendarGetHolidayInfo: Returns additional information about a holiday event (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetHolidayInfo) |
| 06:07.57 | Fisker | Retribution - Your Crusader Strike ability grants 44 Strength for 15 sec. Stacks up to 5 times. |
| 06:07.59 | Fisker | i want |
| 06:08.14 | DWSR | More OP paladin shit. |
| 06:08.16 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:08.17 | DWSR | blah blah blah. |
| 06:08.19 | Shirik | if you want something fast and easy |
| 06:08.27 | Fisker | DPS - Your Obliterate, Scourge Strike, and Death Strike abilities grant 73 Strength for 15 sec. Stacks up to 5 times. |
| 06:08.28 | DWSR | Hire a hooker? |
| 06:08.29 | Fisker | fffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 06:08.34 | Shirik | ... to cook |
| 06:08.40 | DWSR | oh |
| 06:08.41 | Shirik | anyway, I have determined boiling rice and mixing it with Lawry's is so easy, cheap, and filling |
| 06:08.45 | DWSR | Eat out a hooker? |
| 06:08.51 | Fisker | meh DWSR |
| 06:08.56 | Fisker | ours is just a 20 str upgrade |
| 06:09.07 | Fisker | death knights is almost fucking double |
| 06:09.09 | Fisker | grrr |
| 06:09.10 | Fisker | grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 06:09.12 | Fisker | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
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| 06:09.50 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:09.52 | Gnarfoz | ffuuuu indeed |
| 06:09.54 | Shirik | take the blue pill |
| 06:10.02 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what monkey made those items |
| 06:10.14 | Fisker | i'm gonna show you just how deep i go down the rabbithole (i.e. your mom) |
| 06:10.23 | Gnarfoz | also, the t9 libram was instant +200str, t10 is stacking crap |
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| 06:10.29 | Fisker | true |
| 06:10.49 | Gnarfoz | and it's dependant on CS, which means... 20secs ramp-up time |
| 06:11.25 | Adys | someone please find me a pattern in here: (135280640, 134281216, 136427520), (138442752, 137426944, 139556864), (141572096, 140572672, 14286208), (144816128, 143702016, 145831936), (151484416, 151025664, 153188352) |
| 06:12.04 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: So use the T9 lib. |
| 06:12.29 | Fisker | we need to tell Blizzard to buff it |
| 06:12.33 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: uhm no thanks, I'll rather hope someone fixes the t10 libram. |
| 06:12.45 | Fisker | Next PTR patch: "Libram of Valiance, strength bonus reduced to 100" |
| 06:13.01 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: doubt it, blizz doesn't care about EU, etc etc |
| 06:13.10 | Fisker | Blizzard NEVER cares about EU |
| 06:13.10 | Gnarfoz | so unless some USian reports it, nothing is going to happen anyway |
| 06:13.20 | Gnarfoz | EU PTR? No bug feedback tool :< |
| 06:13.23 | Fisker | just put up a movie on youtube |
| 06:13.28 | Fisker | that's an easy way to fix it |
| 06:13.31 | Adys | (155203584, 154187776, 156317696), (157792256, 157333504, 159447040), (160921600, 160462848, 162592768), (168245248, 167786496, 169244672), (171407360, 170948608, 173078528), (174553088, 174094336, 176207872), (177682432, 177223680, 179353600) |
| 06:13.34 | Adys | there. |
| 06:13.36 | Adys | those. |
| 06:13.38 | Shirik | I am going to hurt you |
| 06:13.41 | Fisker | It's actually funny |
| 06:13.49 | Gnarfoz | also on EU PTR: forge-guy boss in Pit of Saron jumps WAY far away to forge his weapon, then despawns. |
| 06:13.53 | Jerub | Adys: what are those numbers? |
| 06:13.53 | Fisker | I once found an exploit which was pretty nice as casters could only melee with it |
| 06:14.00 | Fisker | It survived for like 2 or 3 major patches |
| 06:14.00 | Adys | Jerub: nfc, thats why I ask |
| 06:14.07 | Fisker | put it up on warcraft movies, fixed in the next minor |
| 06:14.09 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 06:14.12 | WobWork | http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/10/10/91575_ntnews.html |
| 06:14.19 | WobWork | such classy journalism =P |
| 06:14.46 | Adys | they are related to the darkmoon faire |
| 06:15.02 | Adys | the first id in each tuple id darkmoonfaire_terokkar, second is mulgore, third is elwynn |
| 06:15.09 | Fisker | ah thanks a lot human body |
| 06:15.20 | Fisker | so it feels like something is crawling on the back of my leg |
| 06:15.25 | Fisker | turns out it's blood |
| 06:15.26 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:15.28 | DWSR | WobWork: no kidding |
| 06:16.10 | Adys | Shirik: quit doing absolutely nothing and HALP |
| 06:16.12 | Grum | Fisker: pinch me |
| 06:16.25 | Shirik | I am playing Aion |
| 06:16.30 | Adys | that |
| 06:16.39 | Adys | is the very definition of "doing absolutely nothing" |
| 06:17.04 | WobWork | perhaps "doing nothing worthwhile" =P |
| 06:17.23 | Grum | Fisker sucks ;( |
| 06:17.45 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 06:17.48 | DWSR | ~Grum-- |
| 06:17.58 | Jerub | I can't rmemeber who gave me the suggestion of using /cast !Maul on my other bear attacks. |
| 06:18.23 | Adys | SyntaxError: illegal expression for augmented assignment |
| 06:18.33 | Adys | this is the most confusing exception ever |
| 06:18.35 | Jerub | but it was a fucking incredible bonus to my bear damage. upwards of 2.8kdps on mal'ganis in HCoS last night, and i was the /tank/ |
| 06:19.02 | Jerub | i previously was unable to break about 1.5k |
| 06:19.13 | Fisker | i'm bleeding down my leg Grum |
| 06:19.15 | Grum | DWSR: NOWAI :( |
| 06:19.18 | Grum | Fisker: SO WHAT |
| 06:19.27 | Grum | you can multitask or aren't you a hawt gurl? |
| 06:20.20 | Fisker | ;o? |
| 06:20.24 | DWSR | Jerub: Being unable to break 1.5k as a bear tank means you are bad. |
| 06:20.43 | DWSR | :P |
| 06:20.45 | DWSR | I'm kidding |
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| 06:21.02 | Jerub | DWSR: but i was spamming auto-attack as fast as i could! |
| 06:21.06 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:21.25 | DWSR | Reminds me of fail-druid. |
| 06:21.34 | Jerub | (yes, that was a fail-druid quote) |
| 06:21.49 | Fisker | ;o?+r54e3 |
| 06:21.57 | Fisker | o hai i just went over your keyboard |
| 06:22.01 | Jerub | i could of course get much higher using swipe on a bunch of mobs, i mean single target. |
| 06:22.01 | Fisker | hope you don't mind |
| 06:22.13 | Jerub | logs into fisker's gmail. |
| 06:22.50 | Antiarc | Argh. Is there any way to get a spell ID from an aura on a unit without a CLEU handler? |
| 06:23.35 | DWSR | lol, love the fact that you can fly in the underbelly. |
| 06:23.37 | DWSR | Fantastic. |
| 06:24.47 | Fisker | why won't you talk to me Gnarfoz ? |
| 06:24.56 | Gnarfoz | because my server doesn't bood |
| 06:25.09 | DWSR | ~Gnarfoz++ |
| 06:25.23 | Gnarfoz | boot, even |
| 06:25.30 | Grum | hit it? :( |
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| 06:25.42 | Pneumatus | anyone got any idea what this "# Unit frames added for special encounters." is? |
| 06:25.49 | Adys | multiboss stuff |
| 06:25.50 | DWSR | If I did all the quests in Howling Fjord as a horde, then faction changed, can I do it all again? |
| 06:25.55 | Adys | AS I PREDICTED TYAHAHAHA |
| 06:25.56 | DWSR | Pneumatus: Multi boss encounters. |
| 06:26.02 | Grum | Adys: multiboss? |
| 06:26.04 | Gnarfoz | something BigWigs still hasn't got today?! multi-target boss encounter UFs? :D |
| 06:26.04 | Adys | YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST |
| 06:26.06 | Adys | 4horseman |
| 06:26.19 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: DBM does it. :D |
| 06:26.22 | DWSR | Well, just health bars, but whatever. |
| 06:26.23 | Grum | Gnarfoz: why would you need it? |
| 06:26.26 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: too bad DBM sucks for everything else. |
| 06:26.29 | DWSR | Grum: Achievements. |
| 06:26.31 | Jerub | lies. |
| 06:26.39 | DWSR | Grum: Earth Wind and Fire, And They Would All Go Down Together |
| 06:26.41 | Jerub | DBM is awesome and is never bad and always works |
| 06:26.44 | Gnarfoz | Grum: can't hit it btw, it's too far away. which makes this a pain in the butt. |
| 06:26.46 | DWSR | Grum: Not One but Two Jormungars. |
| 06:26.52 | Grum | you can just use MT Frames O.o |
| 06:26.57 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: l2mtframes |
| 06:27.01 | Pneumatus | Adys: any idea where these frames are defined in framexml, i didn't see anything new in the latest patch |
| 06:27.08 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: l2... what are you even talking about. |
| 06:27.14 | Antiarc | Main tank frames and ToT |
| 06:27.21 | Grum | indeed |
| 06:27.21 | Adys | nfc |
| 06:27.25 | Adys | Shirik |
| 06:27.27 | Adys | Im awesome |
| 06:27.31 | Vlakarados | I think more like for horsemans in naxx |
| 06:27.31 | DWSR | MT frames don't always work. |
| 06:27.45 | Grum | what is how we did that stupid resilience achievement and jormungers thingies |
| 06:27.45 | Fisker | not one but over 9000 Jormungar's |
| 06:27.48 | Vlakarados | and alike in ic |
| 06:27.50 | Gnarfoz | bosses are not main tanks and I won't have one person dedicated to targeting one mob, each |
| 06:28.06 | DWSR | Grum: lol |
| 06:28.12 | Gnarfoz | freya elementals, whoo |
| 06:28.16 | DWSR | Anyone achieved Earth, Wind & Fire on 10m yet? |
| 06:28.23 | Grum | DWSR: not yet done it |
| 06:28.25 | Grum | but its not hard |
| 06:28.30 | Fisker | i need to get those 500 achievement points |
| 06:28.31 | Adys | this list i pasted |
| 06:28.31 | DWSR | Grum: How is it not hard? |
| 06:28.34 | Fisker | so i can say it's over 9000 |
| 06:28.36 | Grum | how is it hard? |
| 06:28.36 | Adys | is what happens |
| 06:28.45 | DWSR | Grum: Well, it means you need 2, maybe 3 tanks. |
| 06:28.47 | Adys | when a bitmask has sex with an int |
| 06:28.48 | Grum | you just need 3 tanks and 2 good healers and LOOOOADS of dps |
| 06:28.49 | Gnarfoz | anyway, Antiarc, DWSR, Grum: l2MagicTargets :P |
| 06:28.50 | DWSR | And Archavon has an enrage timer. |
| 06:28.51 | Thunder_Child | slaps Fisker in the face and yells "I'm Rick James, bitch!" |
| 06:29.02 | Grum | Gnarfoz: magictargets? |
| 06:29.08 | Grum | mm i use Ysstargets atm |
| 06:29.37 | Vlakarados | pvetargets do their job well |
| 06:30.10 | Grum | Vlakarados: url? |
| 06:30.43 | Vlakarados | woops |
| 06:30.48 | Vlakarados | pveframes |
| 06:30.48 | Vlakarados | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14151-PvEFrames.html |
| 06:30.54 | DWSR | What's the starting quest hub for Grizzly Hills for Alliance? |
| 06:30.58 | DWSR | Amberpine Lodge? |
| 06:31.22 | Gnarfoz | yep. |
| 06:31.25 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 06:31.34 | Gnarfoz | omg huge ass blizzard style frames |
| 06:31.44 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 06:31.45 | Thunder_Child | though you should be led there by a flight from dragon..err..something |
| 06:31.49 | Grum | O M G that is about the shittiest addon ever :D |
| 06:31.52 | Thunder_Child | whats that zone in the middle? |
| 06:31.56 | DWSR | Can't I do custom frames with Pitbul? |
| 06:32.04 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Dragonblight. |
| 06:32.06 | Gnarfoz | waste of screen estate if I ever saw some :D |
| 06:32.10 | Thunder_Child | yes, that, thanks |
| 06:32.21 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:32.28 | Vlakarados | it works well |
| 06:32.30 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge Fisker |
| 06:32.31 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of Fisker's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 06:32.36 | Vlakarados | I used some first version |
| 06:32.39 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, yes |
| 06:32.55 | Thunder_Child | but you have to create the art yourself, iirc |
| 06:33.03 | Gnarfoz | well, it does something else than MagicTargets and YssTargets do, they're actual unitframes |
| 06:33.29 | Gnarfoz | with all restrictions and abilities that go with that |
| 06:33.56 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Well, how do I do it then? |
| 06:34.11 | DWSR | I want to say...make a unit frame for units named Grobbulus,Thaddius, etc. |
| 06:34.28 | Thunder_Child | oh...like that |
| 06:34.44 | Thunder_Child | i thought you meant art/looks |
| 06:35.03 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, not sure, ckknight might know |
| 06:35.09 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowace.com/addons/magic-targets/images/4-magic-targets-2-0/ < MagicTargets btw - YssTargets is basically a clone of it, just with a different sorting method (MagicTargets goes by health, Yss goes by # of people targeting) |
| 06:35.11 | Thunder_Child | s/might/should/ |
| 06:35.21 | Grum | Gnarfoz: you can only have 'actual unitsframes' when you know what you are fighting, any dynamicly spawned mob will not be targetable through it |
| 06:35.31 | Gnarfoz | Grum: didn't I just say that? |
| 06:35.45 | Grum | no ? |
| 06:35.47 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 06:35.51 | Gnarfoz | <Gnarfoz> with all restrictions and abilities that go with that < |
| 06:36.01 | Grum | so those frames are pointless |
| 06:36.13 | Gnarfoz | not entirely, depending on what you want them for |
| 06:36.25 | Grum | riight, and so on ... and now i can say 'i jsut said that' O.o |
| 06:36.34 | Grum | because anything falls under 'and so on' |
| 06:36.42 | Antiarc | So, anyone have ideas about how to suck a spell ID out of a unit aura? |
| 06:36.47 | Gnarfoz | of course, but I didn't say "and so on..." |
| 06:37.21 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: make a youtube video about it, better chances than making a request for it ;D |
| 06:39.17 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 06:39.51 | Shadowed | Antiarc: Depends on how much you hate yourself |
| 06:39.56 | Shadowed | and when you need it |
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| 06:40.58 | Shadowed | The only way you could do it on the fly is really CLEU and creating maps of the name/rank to ID, or doing it statically yourself |
| 06:41.08 | Antiarc | Shadowed: SexyCooldown can't tell the difference between Sacred Shield (the buff) and Sacred Shield (the proc) |
| 06:41.09 | Shadowed | If I recall, CLEU fires before UNIT_AURA |
| 06:41.10 | Antiarc | And it's bad. |
| 06:41.14 | Antiarc | And it annoys me. |
| 06:41.16 | Antiarc | A lot. |
| 06:41.25 | Shadowed | Well, for that you are kind of screwed |
| 06:41.28 | Shadowed | you could go by duration |
| 06:41.36 | Antiarc | Yeah, guess so. |
| 06:41.38 | Antiarc | Bah, this blows. |
| 06:41.44 | Shadowed | It's that or go by CLEU purely |
| 06:41.58 | Antiarc | Why the ballsacks do we not have spell IDs from unitauras yet? |
| 06:42.05 | Shadowed | we are not liked |
| 06:42.11 | Shadowed | Or they don't have a reason for it yet |
| 06:42.22 | Antiarc | I'll write an addon |
| 06:42.28 | Antiarc | That communicates spell IDs for auras |
| 06:42.32 | Antiarc | Via the addon channel |
| 06:42.35 | Antiarc | It will consume massive bandwidth |
| 06:42.38 | Antiarc | Then we'll get it |
| 06:42.43 | Antiarc | I'll call it.... |
| 06:42.45 | Antiarc | AURASCORE |
| 06:42.49 | Shadowed | Probably not, we don't have GearScore yet and that already consumes massive bandwidth |
| 06:43.07 | Gnarfoz | wut |
| 06:43.10 | Gnarfoz | that didn't make sense |
| 06:43.37 | Shadowed | you don't make sense |
| 06:43.52 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: He meant "built-in" |
| 06:44.14 | Gnarfoz | Blizz doesn't make sense |
| 06:44.24 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: (how so?) |
| 06:44.34 | Grum | do it statically and watch users complain after an update! |
| 06:44.38 | Torhal | Re-read their conversation. :) |
| 06:45.06 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:45.13 | Fisker | Aion is awesome |
| 06:45.23 | Fisker | like a guildie of mine was stuck for 4 days |
| 06:45.25 | Torhal | Fisker: Sauce? |
| 06:45.28 | Grum | omg fisker is playing Aion? O.o |
| 06:45.30 | *** join/#wowuidev stolen|school (n=stolenle@193.170.222.163) |
| 06:45.45 | Fisker | So he's been trying all kinds of stuff to get unstuck |
| 06:45.50 | Fisker | But the GM's won't bite hoho |
| 06:45.53 | Fisker | because aion sucks |
| 06:46.10 | Fisker | and now finally after 4 days he fixed it himself because he could login from another computer |
| 06:46.18 | Fisker | Aion is fucking awesome |
| 06:46.29 | Grum | hey, at least they are trying to fix the server capacity problems they had! |
| 06:46.41 | Grum | just ignore users so hard they go away! |
| 06:48.19 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 06:48.24 | Fisker | i will kill you |
| 06:48.31 | Grum | in Aion? |
| 06:48.32 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: kill whoever killed my box, first |
| 06:48.42 | Fisker | no |
| 06:50.21 | Torhal | Wow. 3.3 will fuck Fisker over |
| 06:50.21 | Torhal | "Players below level 10 may not join raids." |
| 06:51.08 | Grum | what would have caused that change? |
| 06:51.28 | Fisker | hogger raids obviously |
| 06:51.36 | Torhal | Sounds like they closed a loophole for trial-account goldsellers |
| 06:51.42 | Fisker | no. |
| 06:51.44 | Jerub | hogger? |
| 06:51.50 | Fisker | Trial accounts can't make parties, let alone raids. |
| 06:51.56 | Torhal | FOOF |
| 06:52.10 | Fisker | hogger raids are usually 40xlevel 1-2's |
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| 06:53.28 | Torhal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hogger |
| 06:53.29 | Torhal | BWAHAHAHAHA |
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| 06:55.22 | Grum | everyone will be happy with this if fisker+alts is on his server; # Ignore list expanded to 50 to match the friends list. |
| 06:56.40 | Jerub | i've run out of space on #python's ban list and had freenode expand the available space for me |
| 06:58.01 | Fisker | "User has joined #python" |
| 06:58.11 | Fisker | <User> HIIIIISSSSSSS LOL |
| 06:58.46 | Grum | You can now query for a list of completed quests with âQueryQuestsCompleted()â then wait for the âQUEST_QUERY_COMPLETEâ event, and call âGetQuestsCompleted(<luatable>)â. |
| 06:58.49 | DWSR | np: Sebastien Leger - 2008-05-10 [119:35m/237kbps/44kHz] |
| 06:58.54 | DWSR | AROUND THE WORLD AROUND THE WORLD |
| 06:58.59 | Grum | does that mean you can *finally* see which quests you still have to do for loremaster achievements? O.o |
| 06:59.07 | Fisker | if someone makes an addon |
| 06:59.13 | Adys | Grum: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/completed.html |
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| 06:59.31 | Grum | Adys: OMG that is so cool ;) |
| 06:59.35 | Grum | YAY! |
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| 06:59.46 | Antiarc | http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l250/Camilladilla/shadowformtooltip.jpg |
| 06:59.46 | Grum | finally not to have to bug a GM which quests are still left |
| 06:59.54 | Fisker | sure you do Grum |
| 06:59.58 | Shadowed | so |
| 07:00.00 | Fisker | people will be like "durr" |
| 07:00.02 | Grum | epic-wall-of-text-crits-you :( |
| 07:00.02 | Shadowed | I think Shadowform tooltip is getting a bit large |
| 07:00.07 | Antiarc | Maybe just a little. |
| 07:00.07 | Grum | yeah lol |
| 07:00.23 | DWSR | lol yeah. |
| 07:00.45 | Adys | they need to add "Also looks really cool when mounted" at the end |
| 07:01.02 | DWSR | So sad to see conflag getting changed next patch. |
| 07:01.14 | DWSR | I love global'ing mobs in Northrend. |
| 07:01.19 | Adys | Quest #11937: FLAG - all torch return quests are complete |
| 07:01.22 | Adys | i completed it |
| 07:01.22 | Adys | hurray |
| 07:01.39 | Grum | hehe |
| 07:01.49 | Grum | i still have 7 quests to do for kalimdor |
| 07:01.53 | Grum | and i'm running out of quests :( |
| 07:02.07 | Grum | so that will be severely useful :) |
| 07:02.31 | Fisker | xD |
| 07:02.50 | Grum | and shadowpriests are getting buffs |
| 07:02.54 | Fisker | 15 people covered a police car in piss |
| 07:02.59 | Grum | its like .. O M G christmas :( |
| 07:03.01 | Fisker | and destroyed it afterwards |
| 07:03.12 | Fisker | i was like "lolol gross you're touching 15 people's piss" |
| 07:03.13 | Fisker | durr |
| 07:03.16 | Grum | Fisker: 'thanks for giving your DNA' O.o |
| 07:06.31 | Thrae | Actually, I remember reading that urine does not contain the proteins necessary to do a DNA test, unless some sperm, skin flakes, or blood get mixed in (the former two can happen more often then you think). |
| 07:06.31 | Grum | i bet they wanked as well |
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| 07:09.45 | Thunder_Child | shakes his fist at demonoid |
| 07:09.47 | Jerub | if i have all my addson installed on mac, will copying my 'interface' directory to a PC work? |
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| 07:10.04 | DWSR | Yes |
| 07:10.06 | Fisker | lol Thunder_Child |
| 07:10.42 | Thunder_Child | are you lol'ing at me Fisker -_-? |
| 07:11.10 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 07:11.52 | Fisker | yes Thunder_Child |
| 07:11.54 | Thunder_Child | ~glare DWSR |
| 07:11.55 | purl | ACTION glares at DWSR |
| 07:12.38 | Vlakarados | dwsr it's like getting nerfed, not changed |
| 07:12.47 | Thunder_Child | slap Fisker across the face with a white glove. "i challenge you sir." |
| 07:12.47 | DWSR | Vlakarados: No, it's getting changed. |
| 07:12.53 | DWSR | It's goign to end up doing the same amount of damage. |
| 07:13.00 | Vlakarados | it was 100%, now it's 60% and 20% |
| 07:13.00 | DWSR | It's just now doing it over time instead of instantly. |
| 07:13.06 | DWSR | It's a PvP balance change. |
| 07:13.10 | DWSR | Vlakarados: No it's not. |
| 07:13.17 | DWSR | It's 8 seconds of your Immolate, which is 75%. |
| 07:13.24 | Vlakarados | must have misunderstood it |
| 07:14.38 | DWSR | Vlakarados: It's not a damage nerf. |
| 07:14.44 | DWSR | It's a burst nerf. |
| 07:14.52 | Vlakarados | don't get it |
| 07:14.55 | DWSR | Ok |
| 07:15.04 | Vlakarados | it was doing and doing live 100% of immolate |
| 07:15.15 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 07:15.32 | DWSR | Vlakarados: On Live, conflagrate does damage equal to 12 seconds of your Immolate (which is 15 seconds). |
| 07:15.43 | DWSR | 12/15 is not 100%. |
| 07:15.46 | Vlakarados | oh |
| 07:15.48 | DWSR | It's 4/5ths. |
| 07:15.50 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 07:15.51 | Vlakarados | right |
| 07:15.51 | DWSR | Or, 80%. |
| 07:15.58 | Vlakarados | ok |
| 07:16.32 | DWSR | So, basically they're taking Conflagrate and removing some of the front-end damage. |
| 07:16.38 | DWSR | Because it's too strong in PvP right now. |
| 07:16.56 | Fisker | DUH |
| 07:17.00 | Vlakarados | that what I thought would happen |
| 07:17.12 | DWSR | It's been coming for a while. |
| 07:17.13 | Vlakarados | no more immo-cb-conflag=hk |
| 07:17.23 | DWSR | lol, it'll still happen |
| 07:17.30 | Vlakarados | well |
| 07:17.35 | DWSR | I find it funny when I can squash full Deadly warriors with a CC chain. |
| 07:17.38 | Vlakarados | it will be immo-cb-conflag-wait=hk |
| 07:17.50 | DWSR | Shadowfury, Immolate, DC, Conflag, Chaos Bolt. Win. |
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| 07:20.03 | Fisker | what's all that? |
| 07:20.13 | Vlakarados | what warrior wouldn't use spell reflect asap? |
| 07:20.18 | Fisker | I usually only notice stun + Conflag + Chaos Bolt |
| 07:20.22 | Fisker | or conflag is immolate |
| 07:20.27 | Fisker | can't remember which one does a shitload of damage |
| 07:20.35 | Vlakarados | conflag does |
| 07:20.50 | Vlakarados | but it only can be cast when immolate dot is on you |
| 07:20.58 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, dont make me go there and beat you |
| 07:21.18 | Fisker | do it |
| 07:21.32 | Thunder_Child | where do you live again? |
| 07:21.36 | Vlakarados | someone knows a nice prot-spec for pvp? |
| 07:21.37 | DWSR | Vlakarados: The ones that can't beacuse they're stunned or otherwise CCed? |
| 07:22.03 | Vlakarados | well your dc won't last while you conflag and cb |
| 07:22.31 | DWSR | I can usually get Immo + conflag off in the time of Shadowfury. |
| 07:22.37 | Vlakarados | I notice every warrior use sr when I cast cb |
| 07:22.49 | DWSR | But sometimes warriors trinket Shadowfury for whatever goddamned reason.\ |
| 07:23.02 | DWSR | So I just blast them with DC, then Conflag, then CB. |
| 07:23.13 | DWSR | Most of the time, by the time they turn around or do anything else, they're almost dead. |
| 07:23.38 | DWSR | And I can outlast a prot warrior, no problem. |
| 07:23.38 | Vlakarados | well yeah that's the way it should be done |
| 07:23.54 | DWSR | zomg, can't do anything, but since the damage they do is fucking pathetic anyway, it's whatever. |
| 07:24.25 | DWSR | So usually I just throw some dots and wait for Conflag to come back up, then go Shadowflame and Conflag and win. |
| 07:24.33 | DWSR | since 90% of people don't realize that Shadowflame can be used to trigger Conflag. |
| 07:24.47 | Fisker | Denmark Thunder_Child |
| 07:25.02 | Vlakarados | but it does not do any good damage with shadowflame? |
| 07:26.08 | Vlakarados | if it's arms there are no problems at all, just tp when they bladestorm |
| 07:26.25 | DWSR | Vlakarados: does the same damage. |
| 07:26.32 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, well it will take me however long it takes me to learn danish to get there. |
| 07:26.35 | DWSR | It's a different percentage of SFl's damage. |
| 07:26.40 | DWSR | So it makes it equivalent. |
| 07:27.03 | DWSR | Conflag does 8 seconds worth of Shadowflame or 12 seconds of Immolate. |
| 07:27.13 | DWSR | don't forget that SFl ticks every second and Immolate only ticks every 3. |
| 07:32.00 | Vlakarados | is it really equivalent? |
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| 07:32.21 | Vlakarados | when you look at all those talents that buff immolate and not sfl |
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| 07:36.10 | DWSR | Try it on a dummy. |
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| 07:37.55 | DWSR | mm, you're right. |
| 07:38.00 | DWSR | I've never noticed, but it's really not the same at all. |
| 07:38.21 | Vlakarados | how much? |
| 07:38.45 | DWSR | I get normally like 4.5k conflag. |
| 07:38.48 | Vlakarados | I can't try right now, maintenance |
| 07:38.50 | DWSR | I got like 2k. |
| 07:39.07 | Vlakarados | well |
| 07:39.15 | Vlakarados | it's nice against a rogue |
| 07:39.23 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 07:39.27 | Vlakarados | when he doesn't give you time to cas immolate |
| 07:39.30 | DWSR | thinking I might start using GloSFl. |
| 07:39.48 | Vlakarados | on arena yeah |
| 07:40.16 | DWSR | Even in BGs it'll probably be nice. |
| 07:40.19 | DWSR | Like running the flag in WSG. |
| 07:40.31 | DWSR | Get the whole team behind you, pop out SFl, Trinket, bubble RUN |
| 07:41.14 | DWSR | Anyone still coming at you, stun them. |
| 07:41.33 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 07:41.46 | Vlakarados | it's nice that this effect cannot be dispelled |
| 07:41.52 | Vlakarados | works just like poison |
| 07:41.59 | DWSR | Yeah, only thing is paladin hand of freedom. |
| 07:42.08 | DWSR | Which basically you can negate with the stun. |
| 07:42.22 | DWSR | In WSG, I just bring a disc priest and power my way through the whole other team. |
| 07:42.28 | DWSR | I just walk straight down the middle with DA up. |
| 07:42.38 | Vlakarados | tell me, you really go in wsg to flag run? |
| 07:43.15 | olafski | I assume y'all saw this but... |
| 07:43.16 | olafski | You can now query for a list of completed quests with âQueryQuestsCompleted()â then wait for the âQUEST_QUERY_COMPLETEâ event, and call âGetQuestsCompleted(<luatable>)â. |
| 07:43.37 | DWSR | olafski: Yes. |
| 07:43.46 | DWSR | Vlakarados: Yes. Worth tons of bonus honor. |
| 07:43.59 | olafski | this should make certain things a lot easier to code yes? +) |
| 07:44.19 | DWSR | Vlakarados: Besides, 2 or 3 flag caps + win honor + random HKs from people around me in about 6 minutes is good honor/hour. |
| 07:44.29 | Vlakarados | olafski it's for loremaster) |
| 07:44.39 | olafski | vlakarados: yeah it should be pretty easy to do loremaster now :) |
| 07:44.47 | olafski | but also things like "which of the chicken escort quests haven't I done yet?" |
| 07:44.50 | Vlakarados | it will be damn easy |
| 07:45.06 | Vlakarados | you'll see them too, I think |
| 07:45.19 | olafski | yeah I ticketed a GM twice for that already |
| 07:45.26 | Vlakarados | it will be best with lightheaded and qh |
| 07:45.31 | DWSR | ^^\ |
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| 07:45.36 | Vlakarados | dwsr |
| 07:45.39 | DWSR | questhelper will be OP. |
| 07:45.43 | Vlakarados | they pwn me usually |
| 07:45.52 | DWSR | It'll be like "well...here's all the quests in the zone, and here's all the ones you haven't done." |
| 07:46.00 | DWSR | So...here's a route that will take you to everything forever in a zone. |
| 07:46.01 | Vlakarados | so I just take some 1v1 |
| 07:46.15 | DWSR | Vlakarados: lol, I have ~900 resil and 25k health. |
| 07:46.20 | DWSR | And I run around with my voidie. :) |
| 07:46.34 | Vlakarados | I have 777 and 22.5 |
| 07:46.44 | Vlakarados | don't have a set for pvp( |
| 07:46.59 | Vlakarados | and I think I won't be pvping much |
| 07:47.24 | DWSR | Yeah, I'm also rocking 2k spellpower though |
| 07:47.27 | Vlakarados | now it's my prot warrior I'll be owning with |
| 07:47.49 | Vlakarados | dwsr on bg's I'm usually pve with wg trinket) |
| 07:48.02 | Vlakarados | I lkie big numbers |
| 07:48.03 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 07:48.09 | Vlakarados | *like |
| 07:48.12 | DWSR | In BGs I'm too squishy. |
| 07:48.21 | DWSR | Besides, my PvP set has a ton of sp on it. |
| 07:48.36 | DWSR | So I usually push out decently large numbers. My main difference is crit/haste vs. resilence+stam. |
| 07:49.01 | Vlakarados | no haste is really needed on pvp sets |
| 07:49.15 | DWSR | It's better than crit point for point. |
| 07:49.21 | DWSR | Crit double dips against resilence. |
| 07:49.41 | DWSR | You get negative chance to crit, plus damage reduction against crits in addition to the actual damage reduction from resil. |
| 07:49.57 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/holidays/ |
| 07:50.03 | Vlakarados | 25% crit is really worth on a pvp set |
| 07:50.07 | Adys | am on fire |
| 07:50.16 | DWSR | Haste, in addition to being better from a pure DPS perspective, is only affected by the damage reduction against normal attacks |
| 07:50.19 | Vlakarados | how do you take out druids then? |
| 07:50.22 | Vlakarados | resto |
| 07:50.29 | DWSR | Vlakarados: As a lock, what abilities do you have that are crit-based? |
| 07:50.41 | DWSR | Vlakarados: By putting them in the ground with more DPS than they can heal through? |
| 07:51.01 | DWSR | Or, alternatively, banishing them until they come out of tree form, then oom'ing them with mana drain. |
| 07:51.06 | Vlakarados | conflagrate |
| 07:51.12 | Vlakarados | and chaos bolts |
| 07:51.25 | DWSR | Vlakarados: There is no advantage to having extra crit. |
| 07:51.32 | DWSR | It doesn't proc anything for you |
| 07:51.52 | DWSR | Backdraft is guarenteed with Conflagrate, and also you have plenty of crit from talents. |
| 07:52.20 | Vlakarados | so you gem for haste? |
| 07:52.30 | DWSR | I've gemmed straight stam/resil. |
| 07:52.44 | Vlakarados | and what pvp items have haste? |
| 07:52.52 | DWSR | Offset pieces usually do. |
| 07:53.09 | Vlakarados | offset do not have any haste |
| 07:53.13 | Vlakarados | or am I wrong |
| 07:53.19 | Vlakarados | they're with spirit/crit |
| 07:53.19 | DWSR | Depends which piece you pick up, you usually get a choice. |
| 07:53.25 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 07:53.33 | Vlakarados | between spirit and crit |
| 07:53.35 | DWSR | You can get hit, crit, haste. |
| 07:53.40 | DWSR | And spirit. |
| 07:53.48 | DWSR | I take the haste pieces normally. |
| 07:54.39 | DWSR | I have like 216 hit rating in my PvP gear. |
| 07:55.00 | Vlakarados | oh, the wg items have |
| 07:55.22 | DWSR | Anything "of Ascendancy" |
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| 07:55.34 | Vlakarados | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.1&filter=sl=9;minrl=80;ub=9;cr=79;crs=1;crv=0#0-2+1 |
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| 07:56.27 | Vlakarados | I see no ascendancy items |
| 07:56.51 | Vlakarados | subjugation cloaks |
| 07:57.00 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=ascendancy |
| 07:57.05 | Vlakarados | more like this filter http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.-6&filter=minrl=80;ub=9;cr=79:103;crs=1:1;crv=0:0 |
| 07:57.18 | DWSR | See my link. =\ |
| 07:57.22 | DWSR | Plenty of ascendancy items. |
| 07:57.29 | Vlakarados | oh |
| 07:58.12 | Vlakarados | only Titan-Forged Band of Ascendancy has haste |
| 07:58.33 | DWSR | yeah, wait wtf? |
| 07:58.34 | DWSR | *sigh |
| 07:58.40 | DWSR | the prefixes aren't uniform. |
| 07:58.44 | DWSR | Confusing the fuck out of me. |
| 07:58.49 | DWSR | anyway, you can pick up offset pieces with haste, is the point. |
| 07:59.07 | Vlakarados | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4&filter=minle=213;minrl=80;ub=9;cr=79:103;crs=1:1;crv=0:0 |
| 07:59.15 | DWSR | Also, haste is less rating per % point of haste than crit |
| 07:59.22 | Vlakarados | the only ilvl 200+ items that have haste |
| 07:59.58 | Vlakarados | that's why items usually have damn big amount of crit and decent amount of haste |
| 08:00.31 | DWSR | Vlakarados: As I said, haste > crit. |
| 08:00.42 | DWSR | Haste makes your DPS more uniform. |
| 08:00.45 | Vlakarados | I agree with you in terms of dps in pve |
| 08:00.57 | Vlakarados | that's also a mana loss |
| 08:01.20 | Vlakarados | and haste scales much worse |
| 08:01.44 | DWSR | You don't really run out of mana as a warlock |
| 08:01.48 | Vlakarados | for example you have 20% haste |
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| 08:02.53 | Vlakarados | or even |
| 08:02.55 | Vlakarados | 100% haste |
| 08:03.12 | Vlakarados | that only does your spells cast 1/2 of their base |
| 08:03.23 | DWSR | You hit the GCD cap. |
| 08:03.31 | Vlakarados | that's for example) |
| 08:03.33 | DWSR | Regardless, it's pointless to talk about haste stacking. You can't in PvP gear. |
| 08:03.39 | DWSR | There's so much damn crit anyway. |
| 08:03.41 | Vlakarados | eg soulfire |
| 08:03.57 | DWSR | My point is that, with the amount of crit already coming from gear/talents etc. as a lock, it's better to gem haste. |
| 08:04.04 | DWSR | Instead of more crit. |
| 08:05.53 | DWSR | Frankly, it's even better to gem straight SP. |
| 08:06.07 | DWSR | But that's a matter of personal preference. Since arenas are so movement oriented, it's nice to have lower cast times. |
| 08:06.10 | DWSR | It means you need to stop less. |
| 08:06.13 | DWSR | which means you can move more. |
| 08:09.07 | DWSR | Part of the reason you get Tuskarr's on your boots. |
| 08:09.15 | DWSR | s/Part/Same/ |
| 08:09.22 | Grum | FAIL! |
| 08:09.50 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 08:11.25 | Vlakarados | well what I mean is that you should get crit gear and not spirit |
| 08:11.46 | DWSR | I dunno. |
| 08:11.58 | DWSR | Spirit has the added benefit of giving you spellpower AND regen. |
| 08:12.09 | DWSR | I use Fel Armor. |
| 08:12.15 | Vlakarados | with rogues? |
| 08:12.21 | Vlakarados | and warriors? |
| 08:12.23 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/126520 |
| 08:12.28 | DWSR | Sure. |
| 08:12.31 | DWSR | I've got 900 resilience. |
| 08:12.47 | DWSR | They become much less of a threat when they can't crit you and their damage is reduced by some ungodly number. |
| 08:12.49 | Vlakarados | and does your healer handle it? |
| 08:12.57 | DWSR | lol, I don't need a healer to beat a rogue 1v1. |
| 08:13.19 | DWSR | Even in full PvE gear, a rogue simply cannot kill me fast enough |
| 08:13.52 | DWSR | Them in full PvE gear, that is. |
| 08:14.30 | DWSR | Because, ignoring resilience for a second, you have a *ton* of damage mitigation. |
| 08:14.46 | DWSR | You have Soul Link and Molten Armor (as destro). |
| 08:14.58 | DWSR | Which is 26 or 31% of all incoming damage, depending on if you're glyphed or not. |
| 08:15.24 | DWSR | Then you have another ~10% from armor. |
| 08:15.28 | DWSR | on physical damage. |
| 08:15.37 | DWSR | then put resilience on top of that. |
| 08:15.50 | DWSR | Plus, if you roll with the voidwalker, you have a damage bubble. |
| 08:15.53 | DWSR | I steamroll rogues. |
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| 08:17.35 | DWSR | they run up behind me, do their little opener, for which I usually pop my damage bubble. |
| 08:17.53 | DWSR | If I know that they're coming, I pop Consume Shadows and I can usually nab them before they get me, making it even easier. |
| 08:17.57 | DWSR | After that, I just squish the little bastards. |
| 08:18.48 | Grum | + "QuestPOIDrawBlob", <-- that one suggests a random polygon? |
| 08:19.13 | Fisker | finds jnwhiteh |
| 08:19.34 | Vlakarados | I can't beat any rogue |
| 08:20.06 | DWSR | Not in PvE gear you won't. |
| 08:20.15 | DWSR | You need ~500 resilience to start being rogue proof. |
| 08:20.25 | DWSR | If you don't have it, they'll just rape you without giving you a chance to retaliate. |
| 08:20.32 | Vlakarados | with 777 the cut me out |
| 08:21.55 | DWSR | =\ |
| 08:22.00 | DWSR | dunno what you're doing wrong then |
| 08:22.11 | DWSR | Because i don't usually have too much trouble, unless I've got like everything on cooldown. |
| 08:23.11 | DWSR | In an arena, I usually lol at them. |
| 08:23.16 | DWSR | As they beat on....my damage shield. |
| 08:23.22 | DWSR | And after everything's on cooldown, I smash them in the face. |
| 08:25.13 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 08:25.44 | DWSR | np: Crookers - 2008-06-21 [119:29m/221kbps/44kHz] |
| 08:25.47 | DWSR | Fucking love Crookers. |
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| 08:29.26 | Industrial | np: KMFDM - D.I.Y. |
| 08:29.37 | Industrial | im so happy today |
| 08:30.31 | haste | what did you do now? |
| 08:30.34 | Industrial | I lost another kilogram in a week, I hooked up with a chick and going to her birthdayparty saturday and another industrial/noise-ish party next week |
| 08:31.01 | Industrial | not playing games is actually paying off, fuck >_O revelation |
| 08:31.29 | haste | >:3 |
| 08:33.46 | Fisker | haste! |
| 08:33.51 | Fisker | you |
| 08:34.51 | haste | Fisker! |
| 08:34.53 | haste | me |
| 08:35.15 | Fisker | nooooooooo |
| 08:35.39 | Fisker | what do you want to do haste ? |
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| 08:36.49 | Fisker | http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5742197#post5742197 <-fail |
| 08:38.20 | Fisker | maybe he forgot the part where you usually don't officially comment on upcoming cases |
| 08:41.12 | haste | Industrial: http://www.myspace.com/ubergang correct hesistance go! |
| 08:42.16 | Pneumatus | Fisker <- fail |
| 08:42.35 | Industrial | Breakbeat / Post Hardcore / Metal |
| 08:42.37 | Industrial | interesting |
| 08:43.42 | Industrial | haste: I like it |
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| 08:45.28 | Fisker | Pneumatus <-fail |
| 08:45.33 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 08:45.38 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker |
| 08:45.38 | purl | fisker has karma of -1 |
| 08:45.54 | DWSR | Bad troll is bad. |
| 08:45.58 | Industrial | haha |
| 08:46.04 | Industrial | ~karma Industrial |
| 08:46.04 | purl | industrial has neutral karma |
| 08:46.13 | haste | Industrial: you might also like: |
| 08:46.15 | haste | np: Ebola - [Wasted] Open University Dismemberment Breaks (3:08|flac) |
| 08:46.22 | haste | it's much more speedcore/noise tho' |
| 08:46.53 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k2omg2H74&fmt=18 parts of it is used there :P |
| 08:46.55 | haste | second song |
| 08:47.26 | haste | cuts just before the nice part :( |
| 08:49.00 | Industrial | hehe I was looking at that :p |
| 08:49.08 | Industrial | lol the first song |
| 08:49.43 | haste | ebola is a part of wrong music, so it's probably too much for you :P |
| 08:50.06 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfK9_PBZuvo |
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| 08:57.35 | Taroven | Question. |
| 08:57.55 | Taroven | What would I use to check for a vehicle action bar? |
| 08:58.06 | Taroven | ie, WG demolishers and Maly drakes |
| 08:58.49 | DWSR | can't until the new PTR patch. |
| 08:59.14 | Taroven | That bites. |
| 08:59.48 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 08:59.57 | DWSR | It's targethasvehicleui and hasvehicleui, I think |
| 09:00.00 | Taroven | I know I can check directly for the player being in a vehicle, but I'd like a way of telling when the vehicle has its own bar. |
| 09:00.45 | DWSR | Taroven: they're adding that in 3.3, Like I said. |
| 09:00.56 | Taroven | Yeah, just griping. =P |
| 09:01.27 | DWSR | New macro conditionals: vehicleui (if the player has a vehicle UI) and unithasvehicleui (if the target of the macro has a vehicle UI). |
| 09:01.53 | Taroven | Wait. MACRO conditionals? |
| 09:02.03 | DWSR | Huh, indeed. |
| 09:02.08 | DWSR | I guess there is a way to do that via scripting. |
| 09:02.09 | Taroven | Interesting. |
| 09:02.28 | DWSR | !api vehicle |
| 09:02.28 | lua_bot | Found 46 possible matches for 'vehicle'. Please be more specific |
| 09:02.34 | DWSR | !api vehicleui |
| 09:02.34 | lua_bot | UnitHasVehicleUI: Returns whether a unit is controlling a vehicle or vehicle weapon (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitHasVehicleUI) |
| 09:02.38 | DWSR | There you go. |
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| 09:02.59 | Taroven | Neat. |
| 09:03.02 | Taroven | Thanks. |
| 09:04.04 | DWSR | np |
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| 09:05.48 | Taroven | Actually... awesome, looks like it's in already. |
| 09:06.08 | Taroven | Totally cutting out 90% of my vehicle code with that. |
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| 09:37.48 | DWSR | I wish they changed the ability to do backflips on a flying mount to the ability to do barrel rolls. |
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| 10:16.42 | mikma | shirik: http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/12083569/Liebe-Ist-Fur-Alle-Da/Product.html |
| 10:19.36 | Industrial | np: Das Ich - Gottes Tot |
| 10:19.53 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/sex_ninja.jpg |
| 10:20.04 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 10:22.07 | Fisker | i'm offended mikma |
| 10:22.21 | mikma | good :) |
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| 10:24.37 | Fisker | LOL! |
| 10:24.46 | Fisker | I succesfully loged in game but no appear any realm to enter to my chars.Why??? |
| 10:25.06 | Fisker | i tell him to check if his game is european and if he has the right information in realmlist.wtf |
| 10:25.13 | Fisker | "it's european,realmlist.wtf it's ok" |
| 10:25.14 | mikma | ckknight: Message: Interface\AddOns\Cartographer3\Main.lua:244: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'fullCenterX' (a nil value) |
| 10:25.20 | Fisker | Then i tell him to paste the connection.log |
| 10:25.32 | Fisker | 10/14 13:11:01.531 Login program=WoW platform=Win locale=enUS |
| 10:25.34 | Fisker | 10/14 13:11:01.734 Connecting to 12.129.206.130:1119 |
| 10:25.35 | Fisker | luls |
| 10:25.41 | DWSR | LOL |
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| 10:34.21 | stolen|school | Fisker: win |
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| 10:57.11 | Industrial | Fisker: haha |
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| 11:08.48 | Wobin | "now, i don't think American's are stupid people but honestly i think she's doing a poor job of trying to save her country's honor " |
| 11:08.52 | Wobin | oh god, the fail |
| 11:09.54 | Ycarene | What's that from? |
| 11:10.06 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/mock_the_stupid/3212820.html |
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| 11:14.12 | foxlit | "This girl on gaiaonline was trying to prove a useless point about how american's are better than canadian's. simply" << yikes. |
| 11:14.56 | Ycarene | Too bad being that stupid doesn't hurt, that is until the end. |
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| 11:16.33 | olafski | I must be the only one thinking the irony is that this was from Gaia Online |
| 11:23.02 | Maldivia | I was wondering if the "fail" was referencing his own lack of grammar+ |
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| 11:23.45 | Kalroth | hsi gramer loks fien tho, shes teh dum 1 lol |
| 11:24.26 | Maldivia | Kalroth: well, judging from his initial line that foxlit quoted - I know the rest is "IM" speak, which doesn't really count |
| 11:25.35 | Maldivia | (plural vs genitive) |
| 11:26.09 | Kalroth | he almost said genitals lololol |
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| 12:05.52 | Ycarene | If you set an element in a list to nil, does it effectively delete that entry? |
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| 12:07.15 | Maldivia | yes |
| 12:12.08 | haste | if there aren't any other references to that value |
| 12:24.24 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10453476119&sid=1#2 <-wtf |
| 12:26.58 | Maldivia | never underestimate the stupidity of humans |
| 12:27.14 | mitch0 | ycarene: take care with punching holes to the table though (not sure it applies to your current problem) [hint: http://wowui.pastey.net/126530] |
| 12:27.19 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, that's awesome |
| 12:27.24 | ZorbaTHut | and in some ways I can't really blame him |
| 12:29.06 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: but how did he post on the forums then? |
| 12:30.52 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, because the forums are "WoW", and battle.net is "some weird site that isn't WoW" |
| 12:31.31 | ZorbaTHut | honestly I really really cannot blame people for being confused as to where they should type in their personal details and where they shouldn't |
| 12:31.56 | Codayus_ | .....I can. |
| 12:32.02 | Codayus_ | Although you do have a point. |
| 12:32.13 | ZorbaTHut | WoW says "never give your account info to anyone who is not part of World of Warcraft". So www.worldofwarcraft.com is fine, right? But what about www.battle.net and www.worldofwarcraft.f7w.tv? |
| 12:32.42 | ZorbaTHut | people should not have to understand the details of DNS resolution and corporate management structures to be safe online, and yet, they do. |
| 12:32.59 | Codayus_ | It's hard enough training people to think that paypal-complaints.com isn't *really* a good place to enter account details, or whatever... |
| 12:33.16 | Codayus_ | *nod* |
| 12:33.41 | ZorbaTHut | exactly. and it's not made any easier by the sites that actually *do* bounce you off to some shady-looking weird domain name as part of their *normal login procedures*. |
| 12:34.03 | Codayus_ | Heh, actually saw a perfectly legit email from a major US bank (Wachovia, if memory serves) talking about all the recent phishing scares and telling people to visit a site for more information. |
| 12:34.28 | Codayus_ | It was *NOT* the main Wachovia site. Legit site, owned by them...but different domain. |
| 12:34.46 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, banks are notorious for that |
| 12:34.57 | ZorbaTHut | although that's hugely hilarious warning you about phishing scares |
| 12:35.12 | Codayus_ | Which is...fine, of course. The site was just informational, but still, you'd think a bank of all things would realize that that's a very important distinction you don't want to blur in the customers mind... |
| 12:35.30 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 12:35.38 | ZorbaTHut | that's really the problem, it's not that people might get the definitions blurred |
| 12:35.47 | ZorbaTHut | it's that nobody understands the definitions and rules in the first place |
| 12:35.52 | ZorbaTHut | (except for geeks) |
| 12:35.54 | Codayus_ | *I* do! |
| 12:36.02 | Codayus_ | Oh, right. |
| 12:36.04 | ZorbaTHut | congratulations you're a geek |
| 12:36.20 | Codayus_ | And I've got the piece of paper to prove it too. :-p |
| 12:38.06 | Codayus_ | (Speaking of banks, I think my current bank has the most restrictive password policy I've run across. Restrictive as in, ONLY allows letters and numbers. That's so incredibyl fail...) |
| 12:39.41 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall I've seen a password policy that required 6-8 characters, letters and numbers only, must have at least 2 lowercase, 2 uppercase, and 2 numbers, uppercase must not be the first character |
| 12:40.32 | krka | that's a rather bad one |
| 12:41.04 | ZorbaTHut | I was kind of tempted to go calculate just how many possibilities it left, and whether 5-character "do whatever you like" would have ended up more secure |
| 12:41.25 | Codayus_ | Heh, and of course I've run across a random web forum that required minimum 10 character passwords... |
| 12:41.40 | ZorbaTHut | I think the SA forum has some insane minimum password length and painful requirements |
| 12:41.51 | ZorbaTHut | but they say that password leaks dropped enormously when they added that |
| 12:41.52 | Codayus_ | Hm, actually, I think it WAS the SA forum. |
| 12:42.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they know what they're doing with that. :) |
| 12:43.46 | Codayus_ | Anyhow, the problem with a 5 character "do whatever you like" password is that it gives you um... around 2 billion possibilities or so, but a significant fraction of your user base is going to pick "password", their name, or their DOB. :-/ |
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| 12:46.39 | sylvanaar | eventually you have to have something enter the passwords for you because they are too complex |
| 12:46.56 | ZorbaTHut | I store them in a cryptographically secure encrypted file |
| 12:47.00 | sylvanaar | me too |
| 12:47.32 | sylvanaar | guarded by a single non-complex password ROFL |
| 12:47.32 | Codayus_ | There's a lot to be said for requiring, say, one number, one punctuation, one letter. |
| 12:47.33 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLm747tyn0&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:48.23 | Codayus_ | Which at least forces people to do some sort of simple number/letter substitution or SOMETHING. Making people do "p4ssword!" is at least *something*. |
| 12:48.30 | sylvanaar | heres an example of one of my passwords "9Rk42p8m#%clR" |
| 12:49.19 | sylvanaar | its great until you have to type it in manually for some reason |
| 12:49.20 | Wobin | logs into sylvanaar's wow account |
| 12:49.34 | Codayus_ | *shrug* For anything really secure, passwords on their own are always problematic... |
| 12:50.32 | sylvanaar | i had to type my wow password into my iphone recently - that was painful |
| 12:50.46 | sylvanaar | took like 5 tries |
| 12:51.08 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 12:52.09 | Wobin | sylvanaar, it's worse when you have to put in a WAP key =( |
| 12:52.28 | sylvanaar | my guess is that iphone passwords - the majority - use a single keyboard |
| 12:52.32 | Codayus_ | (It amuses me that - since I have an authenticator - my Warcraft account is actually quite a bit more secure than pretty much anything other accounts I have, including bank accounts.) |
| 12:52.43 | Wobin | I had a bank authenticator |
| 12:53.01 | Wobin | and my current one now sms's me an authent code |
| 12:53.24 | Codayus_ | What bank? |
| 12:53.37 | sylvanaar | i had one-time-pad for my swiss bank account before they stopped allowing accounts from the us |
| 12:54.11 | sylvanaar | supposedly they have a usb key now |
| 12:54.37 | sylvanaar | swisspost |
| 12:55.00 | Wobin | Australia's leading bank! |
| 12:55.07 | sylvanaar | rofl |
| 12:55.07 | Wobin | (sorry, catchphrase...) |
| 12:55.20 | Wobin | HSBC have an authenticator |
| 12:55.34 | Wobin | and Commonwealth Bank of Australia do the SMS |
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| 12:55.54 | sylvanaar | even though sms is insecure |
| 12:56.20 | Codayus_ | Hm, I think HSBC operated in NZ. |
| 12:57.10 | Kaso | yah sms authentication for banks is rather insecure |
| 12:57.27 | Codayus_ | And yeah, they do use an authenticator. Vaguely tempting just on general principles. |
| 12:57.35 | Fisker | brrr's |
| 12:57.48 | Wobin | it depends |
| 12:57.57 | Wobin | If it's session based, then it's not too bad |
| 12:58.12 | Wobin | because even if the sms is intercepted, it won't work for any other banking session |
| 12:58.19 | sylvanaar | i love banks like HSBC or BC bank that hide the china part from their name |
| 12:58.30 | Wobin | cause you're already -in- the account in order to get the SMS |
| 12:59.03 | sylvanaar | yeah i realize that |
| 12:59.19 | Wobin | HongKong Shanghai Banking Corp? |
| 12:59.28 | Codayus_ | sylvanaar: *technically* HSBC doesn't have ...what Wobin said. |
| 12:59.53 | Kaso | my bank does annoying stuff with its password that's designed to help prevent keyloggers but it just ends up with my having to save my password in a txt file |
| 13:00.04 | Wobin | Kaso, that sounds terrible |
| 13:00.08 | sylvanaar | nerds |
| 13:00.21 | Kaso | well they ask you for the 4th 7th 11th etc letters of a password |
| 13:00.33 | Kaso | and i only really remeber passwords through muscle memory |
| 13:00.37 | Kaso | so i cant never do it |
| 13:00.43 | sylvanaar | G15 |
| 13:01.03 | Wobin | Kaso, my god, it's like old school game pirating protection |
| 13:01.08 | Kaso | lol |
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| 13:01.13 | Wobin | "Read the third word on the 43rd page of the manual" |
| 13:01.24 | ZorbaTHut | dammit, I need larger bags |
| 13:01.30 | sylvanaar | that worked until i accidently put my password in the trade channel |
| 13:01.31 | Wobin | Gogo glacial? |
| 13:01.32 | Codayus_ | I liked the code wheels better. |
| 13:01.37 | ZorbaTHut | already rocking 4x gigantique |
| 13:01.48 | ZorbaTHut | I will be first in line for Cataclysm 24-slot bags, fingers crossed |
| 13:01.49 | Wobin | Codayus_, no no, the ones with the INVISIBLE INK and the REVEALING PEN |
| 13:02.01 | sylvanaar | Wobin thats so 90's |
| 13:02.06 | Wobin | remembers a Kings Quest hint book |
| 13:02.11 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 13:02.16 | Codayus_ | Mmm, the one for the Colonel's Bequest was great too. |
| 13:02.26 | Codayus_ | Finding fingerprints using a red filter. |
| 13:02.30 | sylvanaar | that or the cowboy game by the same people |
| 13:02.52 | sylvanaar | er..some kind of pharmacist |
| 13:03.12 | Codayus_ | Freddie...something, frontier pharmacist? |
| 13:03.15 | Wobin | Pharkas! |
| 13:03.16 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 13:03.25 | Wobin | remembers the theme tune |
| 13:03.33 | sylvanaar | i think you had to make a certain chemical |
| 13:04.04 | Codayus_ | I played Railroad Tycoon so much I actually memorized their copy protection. (Which was basically just "identify the locomotive by referring to these laminated sheets". Actually, in retrospect, I have NO idea how they thought that would even stop copying the game...) |
| 13:04.07 | Fisker | help my brrr'ing |
| 13:04.22 | sylvanaar | i used to like that game |
| 13:04.34 | sylvanaar | i always went broke though |
| 13:04.36 | Codayus_ | At least some of the Sierra or LucasArts ones were theoretically difficult to just photocopy. |
| 13:04.55 | Codayus_ | Heh, first time I played it was on a monochrome screen. And I was pretty young. So... |
| 13:05.01 | Codayus_ | Bonds confused the HELL out of me. |
| 13:05.05 | sylvanaar | didnt they have traffic tycoon as well |
| 13:05.18 | sylvanaar | yeah, they had stocks and bonds in that game right |
| 13:05.24 | Codayus_ | Because the game represented positive and negative balances by colour. And...wel...monochrome. |
| 13:05.28 | sylvanaar | you could buy the other train companies |
| 13:05.33 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 13:06.00 | sylvanaar | the sim era |
| 13:06.08 | Codayus_ | *shrug* |
| 13:06.12 | sylvanaar | who plays games like that now? |
| 13:06.12 | Codayus_ | Who says it's over? |
| 13:06.23 | Codayus_ | I'm really really looking forward to Tropico 3 coming out next week. |
| 13:06.27 | Codayus_ | :-) |
| 13:06.37 | Fisker | elawyers lol |
| 13:06.38 | sylvanaar | oh that sounds familiar - i must have played the first one |
| 13:06.54 | Codayus_ | *nod* Tropico games have the *best* soundtrack. |
| 13:07.05 | Fisker | ELAWYERS |
| 13:07.06 | Fisker | LOL! |
| 13:07.15 | sylvanaar | sues fisker |
| 13:07.21 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:07.22 | Codayus_ | Tropico 1 was a banana republic sim. "Why hello El Presidente. And may I say, you are looking especially powerful today!" |
| 13:07.28 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 13:07.55 | sylvanaar | then there were the god sims |
| 13:08.07 | sylvanaar | like black and white |
| 13:08.07 | Codayus_ | Tropico 2 was dumned down pirate sim. Fun-ish, but not the same. Tropico 3 is made of win, and is an actual sequel for Tropico 1. |
| 13:08.32 | Fisker | Codayus_ |
| 13:08.36 | Fisker | sims suck |
| 13:08.48 | Fisker | deal with it |
| 13:08.48 | Wobin | pft black and white is -recent- |
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| 13:08.57 | Codayus_ | Not THAT recent... |
| 13:09.05 | sylvanaar | this century |
| 13:09.31 | Codayus_ | Pft, by all of 3 months. |
| 13:09.34 | sylvanaar | there were ones like it before that though - i cant remember the names though |
| 13:09.41 | Codayus_ | Populous? |
| 13:09.45 | Wobin | Populus! |
| 13:09.47 | sylvanaar | yeah, that was one |
| 13:09.57 | Wobin | I loved the "Drop a Volcano Here" button |
| 13:10.03 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 13:10.13 | Codayus_ | Personally, I preferred the city building games, especially Impressions. |
| 13:10.26 | Wobin | I enjoyed SMAC |
| 13:10.35 | Wobin | and Masters of Magic |
| 13:10.47 | sylvanaar | oh yeah - ceaser and the chinese one |
| 13:10.52 | Codayus_ | Caesar 3, Pharoah, Zeus, and SimCity Societies. |
| 13:10.53 | Wobin | I can -still- hum the MoM music |
| 13:11.08 | sylvanaar | wasnt there a chinese one too |
| 13:11.15 | Codayus_ | ...kinda. Done by a different team. |
| 13:11.35 | sylvanaar | you made like clay pots or something |
| 13:11.38 | Codayus_ | Yeah, SMAC was full of win. |
| 13:11.47 | sylvanaar | whats smac |
| 13:11.58 | Wobin | Sid Meier's Alpha Centurai |
| 13:12.02 | Codayus_ | Mostly because of the quotes and sound clips for all the new technology. |
| 13:12.09 | Wobin | <3 them |
| 13:12.18 | Wobin | They had some -aweome- quotes |
| 13:12.22 | Codayus_ | I don't think I can really like a Civ game without them. SMAC has ruined the entire genre for me. |
| 13:12.23 | Wobin | er awesome |
| 13:13.03 | mitch0 | there was one called Theocracy, anyone met that? |
| 13:13.18 | Codayus_ | Hmmm...no. |
| 13:13.43 | Codayus_ | While we're tossing names out, Evil Genius was pretty good. Sort of Dungeon Keeper meets Austin Powers. |
| 13:13.54 | mitch0 | no wonder :) deadlines slipped, bad marketing and Age of Empires beat it by 3 months :) |
| 13:14.05 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 13:14.17 | sylvanaar | yeah now were into rts |
| 13:14.24 | mitch0 | what I'd really like to play is a proper Wizardry7 sequel |
| 13:14.29 | Wobin | "It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people." |
| 13:14.29 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 13:14.33 | sylvanaar | turn left |
| 13:14.34 | Codayus_ | I' |
| 13:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | Abe's Oddysee |
| 13:14.53 | sylvanaar | or the text based games zork et.al. |
| 13:15.06 | Codayus_ | Wobin: SMAC basically wins the grand prize for being cool. |
| 13:15.10 | mitch0 | actually, I should try Witcher |
| 13:15.16 | Wobin | Codayus_, http://www.generationterrorists.com/quotes/smac.html |
| 13:15.26 | Wobin | oh man, Zork Grand Inquisitor |
| 13:15.38 | Wobin | It totally made up for the previous zork |
| 13:16.01 | sylvanaar | "want some rye? course ya do" |
| 13:16.09 | Wobin | Here's to us! |
| 13:16.12 | Wobin | Who's like us? |
| 13:16.15 | Wobin | Daaaaamn few! |
| 13:16.22 | Wobin | And they're aaaaaaaaaalllll dead! |
| 13:16.27 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 13:16.41 | Wobin | "Hiya Sailor!" |
| 13:16.52 | Wobin | I still remember using that damn walking stick to cross the swamp |
| 13:17.23 | sylvanaar | did you play the original zork? or zork 2,3 |
| 13:17.34 | Wobin | The original... then RTZ |
| 13:17.44 | Wobin | then Zork: Nemesis (which sucked, imo) |
| 13:17.47 | Wobin | and Z:GI |
| 13:17.55 | sylvanaar | er |
| 13:18.01 | sylvanaar | hold on |
| 13:18.28 | sylvanaar | Zork I: The Great Underground Empire |
| 13:18.37 | Wobin | yep |
| 13:19.34 | sylvanaar | i used to play those as a kid - i remember when having the characters emoting while it waited for input was a new thing |
| 13:20.12 | sylvanaar | insted of just ">" |
| 13:20.27 | Wobin | If you can get a hold of Zork: Grand Inquisitor, do it, it's great =) |
| 13:20.55 | Wobin | It has Erick Avari as the Grand Inquisitor! |
| 13:23.10 | sylvanaar | mitch0 didnt they try to make a wizardy seqel and it was total crap |
| 13:23.22 | Wobin | I recall Wizardy 7! |
| 13:23.33 | mitch0 | wobin: best game ever :) |
| 13:23.38 | Wobin | picked it up in the shop a few times, but never bought it |
| 13:23.57 | sylvanaar | i could never figure out how to make a ninja |
| 13:24.06 | mitch0 | unfortunately the graphics sucks by today's standards, but the gameplay is excellent |
| 13:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | I really, really wish I could still play Dungeon Keeper |
| 13:24.23 | Wobin | true |
| 13:24.26 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: you just needed certain base stats? |
| 13:24.28 | Wobin | I can ignore the graphics quality |
| 13:24.35 | Wobin | because the gameplay totally makes up for it |
| 13:24.48 | sylvanaar | mitch0 idk |
| 13:24.52 | Wobin | it cheered me up after the terrible Zork: Nemesis |
| 13:24.56 | Wobin | which tried to be too Mysty |
| 13:24.58 | mitch0 | wobin: get it if you can, it's awesome, really. multiple endings, almost non-linear gameplay |
| 13:25.13 | Wobin | oh Wizardry =) |
| 13:25.15 | sylvanaar | maybe i am thinking of wizardy6 |
| 13:25.47 | mitch0 | wobin: wizardry 8 was a dissappointment though, new engine, 3d stuff, meh |
| 13:26.03 | sylvanaar | right |
| 13:26.53 | sylvanaar | then it was wiz7 then |
| 13:27.23 | sylvanaar | thats where i first learned to make bank toons] |
| 13:30.16 | sylvanaar | have i already hit you guys up to look at my TortoiseHg<->SVN howto? |
| 13:30.38 | Wobin | nope |
| 13:31.22 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/right-wing/pages/using-tortoise-hg/mercurial-with-svn-on-windows/ |
| 13:32.03 | sylvanaar | it took me a while to figure out how to do it - but its really easy once you set it up |
| 13:32.11 | Wobin | why an SVN and not a Hg repo? |
| 13:32.41 | Wobin | I mean, I could understand if there was only SVN available |
| 13:33.18 | sylvanaar | well - svn is nice because it has the largest number of people that can use it |
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| 13:41.43 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiiG3-yU7k |
| 13:42.12 | Wobin | sylvanaar, It's a nice clear howto =) |
| 13:43.33 | sylvanaar | Wobin thanks |
| 13:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | awww, adorable mikma. |
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| 14:05.23 | Ackis | olafski |
| 14:05.45 | olafski | sup |
| 14:05.59 | Ackis | hi |
| 14:06.00 | Ackis | msn? |
| 14:06.05 | Ackis | you didn't accept me |
| 14:06.08 | olafski | yes I'm on there |
| 14:06.08 | Ackis | I feel unloved |
| 14:06.09 | olafski | huh |
| 14:06.13 | olafski | I didn't see a request |
| 14:07.20 | Ackis | odd |
| 14:07.28 | Ackis | i blame Lopeppeppy |
| 14:07.33 | Ackis | I finished nhl 2k6 last night |
| 14:07.51 | Ackis | I have 6 retail games 100% now |
| 14:09.17 | Cide | I have wow 100% |
| 14:09.28 | Ackis | I have ur mom at 100% |
| 14:09.29 | Ackis | ZING |
| 14:09.31 | Ackis | HAHA |
| 14:09.48 | Ackis | speaking of mom's, where's Fisker? |
| 14:11.35 | mikma | call to your mom and ask where is she |
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| 14:13.09 | Ackis | Oh twitter, how I love thee: @Sexorcism Oodles of sex toys are up for grabs! To enter to win, follow @Epiphora and RT. More ways to enter: http://bit.ly/1t20RZ |
| 14:13.10 | Ackis | lol |
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| 14:34.02 | olafski | damn ackis that's more than me |
| 14:34.06 | olafski | I have 5 retails 100% I think :P |
| 14:34.10 | olafski | and a couple of them were really easy |
| 14:34.14 | Ackis | heh |
| 14:34.23 | olafski | fantastic four and xmen come to mind |
| 14:34.33 | Ackis | nothing is easier than avatar |
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| 14:34.43 | olafski | true |
| 14:34.46 | olafski | you have that one? :o |
| 14:34.49 | Ackis | 1000 gs in about 2 minutes |
| 14:34.55 | Ackis | yah got it used haha |
| 14:35.09 | olafski | hax :P |
| 14:35.26 | Ackis | I'm going through live now and downloading all the free themes/picture packs |
| 14:35.53 | olafski | jebus :P why |
| 14:36.27 | Ackis | they aren't free forever |
| 14:36.40 | olafski | indeed |
| 14:36.46 | olafski | I made a US account so I could access more pictures |
| 14:36.52 | olafski | but still I only took the one I wanted +) |
| 14:37.53 | Ackis | I have a site that lists them for me so it's not a huge deal, found a few that I think I'll like |
| 14:38.02 | olafski | :) |
| 14:38.03 | olafski | mine rocks! |
| 14:38.12 | olafski | damn, last night I was so worried.. tried to log into wow and my password was wrong |
| 14:38.23 | olafski | all night I tried to get in then I realized I was just using the wrong password >_< |
| 14:38.30 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:39.13 | Ackis | did you get my message about trueachievements website? |
| 14:39.22 | olafski | yeah.. what is it? :P |
| 14:40.05 | Ackis | check out the site :P it's actually pretty cool |
| 14:40.19 | Ackis | you can schedule boosting sessions if you want, find tips, track stuff, etc |
| 14:40.50 | Ackis | it also compares achievements on how difficult they are to obtain |
| 14:40.51 | olafski | ah.. I'm not really that much info achievements though :< |
| 14:41.06 | olafski | I tried the other game from Behemoth yesterday btw, damn that stuff is hard |
| 14:41.14 | Ackis | lol |
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| 14:42.38 | Ackis | i'm going to work on kingdom for keflings multiplayer ones tonight, had to rebuild my city |
| 14:43.17 | olafski | someone trashed it? |
| 14:43.24 | olafski | man that game bored me to tears after a while |
| 14:43.28 | olafski | much fun at start though |
| 14:43.36 | Ackis | nah I didn't figure out how to convert a single player city to multiplayer |
| 14:43.42 | Ackis | I still like that game tbh |
| 14:44.19 | olafski | oO |
| 14:44.23 | olafski | there are separate multiplayer cities? |
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| 14:44.54 | Ackis | aye |
| 14:45.12 | olafski | damn |
| 14:45.16 | olafski | I haven't even completed singleplayer |
| 14:45.54 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:46.02 | Ackis | just start over in a multiplayer city |
| 14:46.30 | olafski | f that, I might finish this one but I doubt it |
| 14:46.33 | olafski | I keep buying new games |
| 14:46.38 | olafski | was hoping serious sam would come tomorrow :( |
| 14:46.39 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:46.40 | Ackis | me too |
| 14:46.51 | Ackis | I think I have 30 retail and 20 arcade now |
| 14:47.53 | ZorbaTHut | I have a *very important question* for everyone here |
| 14:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | should I make cornbread, pumpkin bread, or banana bread? |
| 14:48.13 | Ackis | banana |
| 14:48.47 | ZorbaTHut | it's true, banana bread is pretty damn delicious |
| 14:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, banana bread |
| 14:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | cornbread is also excellent |
| 14:51.49 | ZorbaTHut | the masses seem to lean heavily towards banana bread |
| 14:51.51 | olafski | jebus you have about as many games as I have ackis :O |
| 14:51.53 | ZorbaTHut | so I guess I'm making banana bread |
| 14:52.01 | olafski | ohh I want banana bread |
| 14:52.03 | olafski | never had it |
| 14:52.07 | Ackis | olafski: I have more that we haven't put into the machine yet |
| 14:52.16 | Ackis | lol my download queue is full :( |
| 14:52.33 | olafski | :) |
| 14:52.36 | olafski | I have 3 that aren't on my profile I think |
| 14:52.38 | olafski | maybe more |
| 14:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | banana bread is delicious |
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| 15:04.23 | olafski | is it hard to make? |
| 15:05.02 | olafski | I don't get it, I've updated ctmod like 3 times now but ingame it keeps showing the old version numbers |
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| 15:56.47 | alestane | snifsnif...I smell Vista.... |
| 15:58.07 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.2dboy.com/games.php <-- buy world of goo for whatever you think it's worth |
| 15:58.36 | Lopeppeppy | Marinara still means "covered with red sauce", and I fail at shopping. |
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| 15:58.40 | nevcairiel | they sell that game? |
| 15:59.15 | nevcairiel | I never bothered to check, someone uploaded it to my guilds forum, and i got it from there :P |
| 15:59.27 | ZorbaTHut | yes, and you should pay money for it because it's awesome ;) |
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| 16:03.34 | Cide | ZorbaTHut: definitely worth full price. |
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| 16:04.13 | foxlit | "Get 20 killing blows without dying" << That achievement clearly has something against healers :( |
| 16:04.32 | ZorbaTHut | cide, amen |
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| 16:04.37 | nevcairiel | yeah .. there are alot of those foxlit |
| 16:04.39 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, luckily, dual spec exists ;) |
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| 16:06.36 | olafski | think I'll give world of goo a try :) |
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| 16:07.58 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:10.35 | olafski | that world of goo offer doesn't go for steam does it :< |
| 16:11.23 | ZorbaTHut | sadly it does not |
| 16:13.11 | olafski | dang |
| 16:13.14 | olafski | I like keeping my games in one place |
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| 16:19.09 | olafski | wtf this game is low res |
| 16:22.29 | Lunessa | SO. Not. Right. http://xkcd.com/649/ |
| 16:24.06 | Lopeppeppy | Makes me wonder how many kids s/he has, with those grounding straps... |
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| 16:29.22 | Lunessa | He has no kidlets. |
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| 16:33.55 | siorai | Industrial: I hear you want to learn haskell |
| 16:37.03 | kd3 | "Unit frames added for special encounters." ... |
| 16:38.02 | Lopeppeppy | What about the unspecial ones? :P |
| 16:38.34 | Shadowed | probably means they'll only use it for the council-style fights |
| 16:38.36 | Shadowed | and never anywhere else |
| 16:38.45 | Shadowed | But you get to spend extra time supporting it cause life hates you :< |
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| 16:49.09 | foxlit | AH needs a better UI. |
| 16:49.24 | foxlit | Pages upon pages of 1xInfinite Dust are fail. |
| 16:49.42 | Sesshu| | right |
| 16:50.00 | kd3 | yay! |
| 16:50.06 | kd3 | "target=" -> "@" |
| 16:50.36 | Shadowed | Just needs a way of letting you query more data |
| 16:51.15 | foxlit | Shadowed: the display logic is what's screwy. |
| 16:51.30 | Shadowed | that too |
| 16:51.35 | foxlit | If there are 4000 identical auctions at the same price, I don't want to scroll through all of them. |
| 16:52.29 | foxlit | Some sort of "There are X Z's listed on the AH. Buying out Y will cost you G gold." |
| 16:53.06 | Grum | auctionator is quite nice for that |
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| 16:53.48 | kd3 | whoa whoa whoa... |
| 16:53.55 | kd3 | ** You can now query for a list of completed quests with "QueryQuestsCompleted()" then wait for the "QUEST_QUERY_COMPLETE" event, and call "etQuestsCompleted(<luatable>)". |
| 16:54.02 | kd3 | logs on to the PTR |
| 16:54.05 | nevcairiel | wow |
| 16:54.14 | nevcairiel | thats a nice addition |
| 16:54.33 | foxlit | I wonder how they throttle that. |
| 16:55.09 | Fisker | lets crash the server |
| 16:55.14 | Shadowed | you guys ar slow! |
| 16:55.27 | nevcairiel | throttle? it sounds like they send you the full table, no need to call it more then once |
| 16:55.41 | nevcairiel | also, where do you read that? |
| 16:55.51 | foxlit | nevcairiel: What happens if everyone on the face of azeroth installs "ShowMeQuestBacklog" simultaneously? |
| 16:55.51 | kd3 | patch notes |
| 16:55.52 | Lunessa | So dufus will write an AddOn with an OnUpdate that calls it |
| 16:55.58 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 16:56.06 | nevcairiel | i was looking for a 3.3 changes thread =P |
| 16:56.22 | foxlit | Though perhaps it's not that much of an issue. 128k quests fit in a 16kb bitmask. |
| 16:56.27 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: well once the clietn requested the data from the server, it shouldnt matter |
| 16:56.41 | nevcairiel | he just kills his own client then |
| 16:56.52 | kd3 | rofl; poly:rabbit has a new icon |
| 16:57.08 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: they throttle it the same way they throttle auction get all |
| 16:57.11 | jnwhiteh | only its easier |
| 16:57.19 | Shadowed | 15 minute limit on clling it? |
| 16:57.25 | jnwhiteh | afaik, yes. |
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| 16:57.46 | Lunessa | Yeah, but on servers like mine where achievements and RP stuff is a big deal, 2000+ people will be trying to do it, and Ulduar will crash |
| 16:57.57 | kd3 | and it does appear to return a gigantic table |
| 16:58.05 | kd3 | appears to have completed 3865 quests on the PTR |
| 16:58.08 | jnwhiteh | indeed, as one would suspect =) |
| 16:58.09 | nevcairiel | id=true like? |
| 16:58.16 | nevcairiel | or array-style? |
| 16:58.20 | Shadowed | array |
| 16:58.26 | jnwhiteh | it may change |
| 16:58.27 | kd3 | [1]=10492, [2]=58, [3]=64 |
| 16:58.29 | Shadowed | tek was complaining about that last night |
| 16:58.29 | kd3 | and so on |
| 16:58.30 | jnwhiteh | they tend not to like array versions |
| 16:58.44 | nevcairiel | a hash is much nice for lookup |
| 16:58.44 | jnwhiteh | remember this is version #1 =) |
| 16:58.49 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: that's why i think we'll get it |
| 16:58.50 | nevcairiel | but then you can build that yourself pretty easily |
| 16:58.51 | jnwhiteh | they know that =) |
| 16:59.00 | Lunessa | So who's going to to write a TourGuide populator with it? |
| 16:59.03 | kd3 | lol |
| 16:59.11 | kd3 | my next question was "so, who's written an addon for this?" |
| 16:59.13 | Shadowed | just hook LH up to it |
| 16:59.16 | jnwhiteh | i'll be writing something |
| 16:59.19 | jnwhiteh | i just dont know how or what |
| 16:59.25 | jnwhiteh | but LH already has an incredible amount of quest data |
| 16:59.29 | jnwhiteh | NPCs, Series, etc. |
| 16:59.30 | nevcairiel | TG should be able to use that easily to advance the quest state |
| 16:59.33 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: aye |
| 16:59.43 | Shadowed | tekkub already did a bunch of commits for it last night |
| 16:59.44 | jnwhiteh | so i'll have to write some sort of quest browser with all tha tinformation |
| 16:59.56 | jnwhiteh | (show me quest series that are partially completed), etc. |
| 16:59.58 | Lunessa | "Loremaster Helper" "Quest Unclogger" "A Tribe Called QuestList" |
| 17:00.03 | jnwhiteh | i can _easily_ do that./ |
| 17:00.19 | nevcairiel | that would be nice |
| 17:00.29 | Shadowed | Does LH have faction data jn? |
| 17:00.33 | nevcairiel | LH already has the full quest data, a list of uncompleted quests using that, awesome |
| 17:00.35 | Shadowed | er, what faction the quest is for* |
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| 17:00.36 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: it has everything |
| 17:00.40 | jnwhiteh | i have a full quest database in Lua |
| 17:00.44 | jnwhiteh | so I can make LH have anything =) |
| 17:00.50 | Shadowed | Something that scans the DB and marks the quest givers that you haven't done would be nice |
| 17:00.51 | jnwhiteh | can even give you rewards |
| 17:01.02 | Shadowed | on the entire world map |
| 17:01.03 | kd3 | all I want is a "I don't want to turn on low-level quest tracking and go running around the old world on a land mount finding quests I've missed" bit |
| 17:01.04 | Lunessa | "Quest Cleaner" "Dude, Where's My Quests?" |
| 17:01.08 | kd3 | >.> |
| 17:01.15 | jnwhiteh | kd3: i can give the _data- for that |
| 17:01.22 | jnwhiteh | i dunno if i'll write a driver |
| 17:01.24 | jnwhiteh | but we'll see =) |
| 17:01.40 | Shadowed | If you don't I totally would write something that does this :> |
| 17:02.08 | jnwhiteh | i just need to get some work on the API |
| 17:02.15 | jnwhiteh | wghich is tough with my WoW computer gone =( |
| 17:02.20 | foxlit | quest id -> location, prereq. |
| 17:02.25 | Lunessa | "Quest Rotorooter - Unclogging your Quest Pipe" |
| 17:02.37 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: its much more difficult than that... |
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| 17:02.39 | Shadowed | sad |
| 17:02.45 | jnwhiteh | that works for some.. but definitely not everything |
| 17:03.06 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: that works for "where can I find some quests I haven't done?" |
| 17:03.21 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: you're taking location to be one place, and always be static |
| 17:03.24 | jnwhiteh | that's a bad assumption |
| 17:03.42 | kd3 | it is for most... what's the exception? drop quests? |
| 17:03.47 | Shadowed | patrollin mobs |
| 17:03.50 | Lunessa | I'll stop before I get to the gross names. |
| 17:03.54 | Shadowed | s/mobs/quest givers/ |
| 17:03.56 | jnwhiteh | there's lots of cases guys ;-) |
| 17:04.02 | jnwhiteh | we'll work on it :P |
| 17:04.11 | jnwhiteh | we've got the data, that's a good thing |
| 17:04.13 | jnwhiteh | but for now |
| 17:04.15 | jnwhiteh | i'm off |
| 17:04.16 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.22 | kd3 | and uh... wow. |
| 17:04.25 | kd3 | hi2u spell checker |
| 17:04.29 | foxlit | is greatly puzzled. |
| 17:04.30 | kd3 | "prodction" |
| 17:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | chops off her thumb for fun and profit. |
| 17:08.24 | DWSR | I made 1k gold in ~6h of questing in grizzly hills last night |
| 17:09.14 | DWSR | That like...normal? |
| 17:09.24 | kd3 | ya |
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| 17:26.59 | amro_ | ~ping |
| 17:27.00 | purl | ~pong |
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| 17:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 17:28.27 | purl | aw, gee, Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:44.52 | Ackis | ~ackissnack |
| 17:44.55 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:45.35 | Thunder_Child | ~snack Ackis |
| 17:45.36 | purl | ACTION throws Ackis a doggy treat |
| 17:45.47 | amro_ | ~whalepunt Ackis |
| 17:45.48 | purl | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts Ackis across the Pacific |
| 17:46.11 | Ackis | whee doggy treat |
| 17:46.15 | Ackis | on a side note wedgies suck |
| 17:46.35 | Thunder_Child | stop wearing thongs |
| 17:46.57 | Ackis | but you said I look pretty in them |
| 17:47.20 | Thunder_Child | then dont complain |
| 17:47.28 | kd3 | whee |
| 17:47.31 | kd3 | random zone-wide death |
| 17:47.57 | kd3 | all of icecrown is bitching in /1 |
| 17:48.21 | NightHawkTheSane | on the ptr? |
| 17:48.25 | NightHawkTheSane | thats hilarious. |
| 17:48.26 | kd3 | ya |
| 17:48.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:48.45 | nevcairiel | maybe a new event :p |
| 17:48.55 | NightHawkTheSane | what, the 5:30 apocalypse? :P |
| 17:48.59 | Thunder_Child | that was prolly good data collection right there |
| 17:50.48 | kd3 | though it was everything... |
| 17:50.49 | kd3 | npcs too |
| 17:50.55 | kd3 | is scrolling through his combat log |
| 17:50.59 | kd3 | friendlies and hostiles alike |
| 17:53.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 17:57.42 | Dagmar | lol |
| 17:58.02 | Dagmar | Did it say what you took damage from or who did it? |
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| 17:59.14 | amro_ | somebody pressed the red button |
| 17:59.15 | nevcairiel | huh, anyone running the PTR in wine? |
| 17:59.18 | kd3 | yes |
| 17:59.23 | kd3 | you'll need to install msvcrt8 |
| 17:59.38 | nevcairiel | i figured it was something silly like that |
| 17:59.44 | nevcairiel | someone slap them to ship the lib in the dir |
| 17:59.54 | cogwheel | can breathe again thanks to http://www.efooddepot.com/products/boss_noodle/2786/instant_noodle_shrimp_flavor_(tom_yum).html |
| 18:00.06 | Ackis | twitter spam makes me want to beat a child. |
| 18:00.17 | kd3 | http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks, 'sh winetricks vcrun2005sp1' |
| 18:00.30 | nevcairiel | yeah i have winetricks, was trying to figure out which pack to get :P |
| 18:00.48 | nevcairiel | but thanks, that saved a second :D |
| 18:01.05 | Lunessa | Ackis: ... Aren't you a leading cause of FB spam? |
| 18:01.30 | Ackis | Lunessa: I don't even log into fb now :P |
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| 18:02.53 | Ackis | http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/feature/3615/page/1 |
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| 18:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | That was a fun little power outage. |
| 18:18.28 | kdtresh | we've had several in the past couple days |
| 18:18.38 | kdtresh | we're catching the remnants of a typhoon |
| 18:19.16 | Lopeppeppy | We had no real reason... no winds, no storms... I'm waiting to see what the info is. |
| 18:27.20 | Lunessa | Looks like trouble on the wow forums... 3 minutes to get a page to load. |
| 18:27.59 | Lopeppeppy | But... today is Wednesday! |
| 18:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | Or is this fallout from the battle.net merging stuffs, I wonder... |
| 18:28.52 | Lunessa | Suddenly... all is well |
| 18:29.55 | Fisker | Many people consider having broadband access a privilege but if you live in Finland, its become a legal right. Starting in July 2010 it will be a legal right for every person to have a broadband connection of at least 1MB |
| 18:29.57 | Fisker | :o |
| 18:30.14 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 18:30.37 | nevcairiel | finish people are strange |
| 18:30.58 | Fisker | no 3-strike laws though |
| 18:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | They also said they're upgrading people to 100 mb, it's just that they had to start with *something* |
| 18:31.14 | Fisker | I wonder how they'll handle people without homes etc. |
| 18:31.20 | Lunessa | Fisker: So.. who pays? |
| 18:31.36 | Fisker | tax payers i guess |
| 18:31.38 | nevcairiel | I mean, finland is just so big, with big areas where very few people live, its just alot of work to get broadband there |
| 18:32.03 | Ackis | WoW killer: http://bit.ly/4BWhWV |
| 18:32.17 | Lunessa | I totally want to live there. Snerk* |
| 18:32.43 | nevcairiel | HK:O again? ^ |
| 18:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | Internet via satellite, I'd guess. |
| 18:35.15 | Lunessa | As long as it's not Internet via Alien Anal Probe |
| 18:35.34 | Fisker | i wish |
| 18:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | Only yours, dear, special service. |
| 18:36.31 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm canceling my internet service RIGHT NOW |
| 18:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 18:37.27 | durcyn | if your anus is wired for ethernet, i'd almost be curious enough to see it |
| 18:37.53 | Lunessa | *links Goatease* |
| 18:38.32 | Ackis | http://kotaku.com/5381101/15-yr+old-set-on-fire-started-over-video-game-debt |
| 18:38.37 | Ackis | someone got burnt |
| 18:38.38 | Ackis | hah |
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| 18:39.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, be nice. |
| 18:39.42 | durcyn | gah. seven firmware updates later, this linksys NAS finally figures out how to join a 2008 AD. never letting cow-orkers make purchasing decisions again. |
| 18:39.57 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: nein! although gimme advice about the kitties, we have a little house set up for them but they're still not gonna survive -40C |
| 18:40.11 | Ackis | afk 4 fud |
| 18:41.03 | durcyn | ...and promptly misinterprets the left half of the FQDN as the netbios domain. fuckmylife.com |
| 18:42.50 | Fisker | kills Ackis |
| 18:46.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, the only other thing I can think is to trap them yourselves, before they get too smart, and keep them until you can get them to a no-kill shelter, or give them away through freecycle or something else. |
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| 18:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | If it came down to it, I'd still take them to the shelter, because euthanisia is better than starving/freezing... although I'd try to keep them first.... *softie* |
| 18:49.06 | kd3 | oof |
| 18:49.11 | kd3 | and the world server goes boom |
| 18:50.23 | Lopeppeppy | Boom-de-ya-da |
| 18:51.06 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: we have 4 cats already, can't get anymore |
| 18:51.29 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 18:51.32 | Fisker | i want to kill you |
| 18:51.41 | nevcairiel | "Players below level 10 may not join raids.", haha i just saw, so much for the trial accounts for raid groups :P |
| 18:52.03 | Fisker | if you can't make a party what makes you think you can make a raid? |
| 18:52.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, live in garage? |
| 18:52.47 | nevcairiel | finally new macro conditions for vehicleui though, that will simplify some shit |
| 18:52.50 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: don't have one, just a car port |
| 18:53.47 | Lopeppeppy | Run an electric blanket out to the little cat house? |
| 18:54.49 | Ackis | not sure if that's feasible or not (both from a cost and practicality perspective) |
| 18:55.04 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:55.09 | Fisker | why so wrong nevcairiel? :( |
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| 18:56.16 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/212864080 |
| 18:57.12 | nevcairiel | some of those are really disturbing |
| 18:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | Then you may have to just deal with the guilt factor, and catch them for the shelter/humane society. They at least have a slight chance there... |
| 18:59.12 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm gonna have to do annoying gimmickry with inviting friends to raid groups instead and getting an alt in the group :P |
| 18:59.35 | ZorbaTHut | I really do not get why blizzard doesn't just relax the "cannot go into raid instance without raid group" restriction. |
| 19:00.21 | nevcairiel | possibly because too many people would randomly spawn raid instances |
| 19:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | ... raid instance. Raid group... seems to make sense to me. |
| 19:01.37 | amro_ | http://amro.pastey.net/126572 |
| 19:01.48 | ZorbaTHut | nev, I'm not really convinced it would be a big problem, unless raid instances are that much more expensive to spawn than normal instances |
| 19:02.11 | nevcairiel | they are not convinced its a big problem to not allow it, though =P |
| 19:02.22 | nevcairiel | 99% of the players wouldn't even care, really |
| 19:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | We already have problems with "unable to spawn any more instances". Do we need to make that worse? o.O |
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| 19:02.32 | ZorbaTHut | well, they're making changes right now to prevent a workaround |
| 19:02.38 | ZorbaTHut | so obviously there *are* problems with not allowing it |
| 19:02.46 | ZorbaTHut | they've just chosen to lock it down even further |
| 19:02.55 | ZorbaTHut | if 99% of the players wouldn't care, I submit that there would not be a big load issue :) |
| 19:02.58 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I cried during Marley and Me, don't think I could take them in |
| 19:03.15 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: that doesnt mean they wouldnt stumble into raid instances and spawn moar |
| 19:03.18 | Lopeppeppy | Will you cry when you see their frozen bodies on your driveway, Ackis? |
| 19:03.39 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I'll make sure the gf deals with them... |
| 19:03.44 | ZorbaTHut | nev, sure, but how often is that really gonna happen? some people go in just to look around, and that's it. most people aren't even aware that it's not possible |
| 19:03.56 | Lopeppeppy | Then start bribing her right now, darlin. |
| 19:04.11 | Shadowed | hrm where is ales :( |
| 19:04.31 | Shadowed | I am trying to figure out why he implied macro length changes the data sent to server on press |
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| 19:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen ales |
| 19:07.45 | purl | ales <n=ales@r5br172.net.upc.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 766d 4m 30s ago, saying: 'wols: radeon 9000, i had it running once'. |
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| 19:07.45 | Shadowed | ~seen Alestane |
| 19:07.46 | purl | alestane <n=nevin@c-66-30-209-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3h 10m 59s ago, saying: 'snifsnif...I smell Vista....'. |
| 19:07.46 | mikma | tekkub: http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/12083569/Liebe-Ist-Fur-Alle-Da/Product.html |
| 19:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | He's at work, Shadowed. Not everyone has IM access during their day. |
| 19:07.54 | Shadowed | Work, what is work! |
| 19:08.20 | Shadowed | n=nevin, clearly alestane is nevcairiel |
| 19:08.22 | Lopeppeppy | pays the bills, feeds the family |
| 19:08.54 | Lopeppeppy | No, alestane is Esamynn, I thought we'd got that straight a while back. |
| 19:09.23 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: did you ever notice how my name containts "cair" and "iriel", i'm an evil impersonater :P |
| 19:09.46 | Shadowed | No you are definitely not cair |
| 19:10.23 | Shadowed | not good looking enough for that! |
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| 19:34.01 | Lunessa | Even if he shaves and puts on high heels. |
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| 19:38.30 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/14/funny-pictures-economic-crisis/ |
| 19:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh great. I just got a 'beware of moose' email... |
| 19:40.51 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/funny-pictures-kitten-is-your-birthday-present.jpg |
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| 19:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | Boyfriend tried that once... the kitten is cuter. |
| 19:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | seo makes me cry a little inside |
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| 20:00.53 | foxlit | Onion RSS sucks. |
| 20:01.51 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Do you still maintain StableBoy? |
| 20:01.51 | Thunder_Child | your RSS sucks |
| 20:02.49 | myrkraverk | what does |
| 20:02.50 | myrkraverk | assert(LibStub, "LibDataBroker-1.1 requires LibStub") |
| 20:02.51 | myrkraverk | mean ? |
| 20:03.40 | Shadowed | It errors if LibStub is not present |
| 20:03.54 | Shadowed | the function looks something like |
| 20:04.03 | Shadowed | local function assert(var, msg) if( not var ) then error(msg) end end |
| 20:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: in theory, yes. Although I haven't touched in quite a while, I've been meaning to though. whats up? |
| 20:06.11 | Dewin | I'm making a tiny change to my local copy to add "mountFlying" for when I want to force it to use a flying mount (Mainly for Dalaran) and I was going to see if you had plans to add it to a later release. |
| 20:06.27 | Ackis | grats to the dow jones, it broker 10k again |
| 20:06.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: I didn |
| 20:06.54 | Dewin | err, not for Dalaran, for WG |
| 20:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | er, WG? |
| 20:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | where/when is wg flyable? |
| 20:07.21 | Dewin | Whenever it's not contested |
| 20:07.30 | Dewin | as of 3.2, IIRC |
| 20:07.33 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting. Wasn't aware of that change. |
| 20:07.50 | foxlit | It's always [flyable] iirc. |
| 20:08.00 | foxlit | But the actual flyability varies as Dewin described. |
| 20:08.04 | Dewin | foxlit: I use Stableboy because it, like me, knows [flyable] is brain-dead. |
| 20:08.19 | Lunessa | I'm glad I'm not taking the class in java that we offer here. |
| 20:08.19 | Dewin | Though |
| 20:08.33 | NightHawkTheSane | I need to fix a few things anyway, was -hoping- to get to it this weekend, but we'll see. Thanks for the heads up though :) |
| 20:08.44 | NightHawkTheSane | as soon as i can, i'll get that in |
| 20:09.11 | Dewin | I almost wonder if it's possible to modify StableBoy:IsFlyableArea() to return true for wintergrasp if wintergrasp isn't contested. |
| 20:09.12 | NightHawkTheSane | (or rather, have it properly recognize when wg is and isn't flyable) |
| 20:09.12 | Dewin | since that's the entire reason I want mountFlying instead. |
| 20:09.12 | NightHawkTheSane | it should be |
| 20:09.15 | Ackis | ever see a tiger poop: http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs248.snc1/9532_173147162072_602682072_3415791_4293503_n.jpg rawr |
| 20:10.11 | foxlit | There's another exception with Cold Weather Flying, but that's rather obscure. |
| 20:10.15 | NightHawkTheSane | thats hot, Ackis |
| 20:10.22 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: eh? |
| 20:10.24 | Dewin | foxlit: Hmm? |
| 20:10.44 | foxlit | 1. Get a level 70 alt. |
| 20:10.49 | foxlit | 2. Buy the cold flying book. |
| 20:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | er, and? |
| 20:11.12 | Dewin | foxlit: That works fine for me. |
| 20:11.14 | foxlit | 3. Read it to the alt. Now check [flyable] when targetting yourself and when targetting nothing. |
| 20:11.47 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, it returns differently? |
| 20:11.51 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 20:11.58 | Dewin | What does it return? |
| 20:11.59 | foxlit | I ended up having to use [target=player,flyable] to get it to behave. |
| 20:12.02 | NightHawkTheSane | is that only on sub-77 toons who used the book? or a general thing? |
| 20:12.34 | foxlit | I experienced it on a sub-77 toon using the book; I haven't verified if it's general (or even still present) |
| 20:12.48 | Dewin | FWIW, my pre-77 shaman had no problems using Stableboy. |
| 20:13.18 | NightHawkTheSane | good to know :) |
| 20:13.30 | NightHawkTheSane | especially since i'm not (currently) in a good position to test that |
| 20:13.43 | Dewin | Foxlit: Are you sure you weren't experiencing a case of Krasus's Landing being stupid? |
| 20:13.51 | foxlit | Dewin: was in Borean Tundra. |
| 20:13.54 | Dewin | Sometimes I run to it and it's not flyable until I leave and come back |
| 20:13.54 | Dewin | ah. |
| 20:14.12 | foxlit | Dewin: I get that too somewhere. |
| 20:14.18 | foxlit | s/where/times/ |
| 20:14.32 | Dewin | Does /click support macro conditionals? |
| 20:15.05 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:15.29 | Dewin | so /click [mod:shift] Frame; Frame Rightbutton would work? |
| 20:15.35 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:15.40 | foxlit | It might be Frame 2 |
| 20:15.45 | foxlit | But yes. |
| 20:16.31 | foxlit | heh, interesting. They moved parts of it to C. |
| 20:16.50 | Dewin | of? |
| 20:16.59 | Lopeppeppy | There's a whole section on /click macros at the bottom of http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro |
| 20:17.00 | foxlit | The /click handler. |
| 20:17.38 | foxlit | Particularly, the part that resolves the frame name to a widget. |
| 20:17.42 | Dewin | Ah, I didn't read enough of the page, I just read thne /click section itself :) |
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| 20:20.14 | Lunessa | foxlit: That is a delicious performance enhancement. |
| 20:20.33 | foxlit | Lunessa: I don't think it matters. |
| 20:20.48 | Lunessa | foxlit: I forgot my <sarcasm> tags |
| 20:20.49 | foxlit | The number of times that code runs, it might as well take a small eternity. |
| 20:21.20 | foxlit | Those are Very Important :) |
| 20:21.55 | Lunessa | I'm curious to see what impact some of the changes will have. |
| 20:22.21 | Lunessa | But not curious enough to give up valuable play time (which is already in short supply) to reinstall the PTR |
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| 20:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17980-black-hole-for-light-created-on-earth.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=physics-math |
| 20:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm starting a pool on how long before science destroys the planet. |
| 20:33.58 | syrae | NightHawkTheSane: you haven't read the NYT article on how the future is sabotaging the LHC, have you? |
| 20:33.59 | DWSR | NHTS: Next week. :D |
| 20:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | dont think so...? |
| 20:34.18 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: hm.. in that case, i'm going to have to ask for more money up front. :) |
| 20:34.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:34.53 | syrae | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html |
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| 20:35.12 | syrae | enjoy |
| 20:39.22 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, interesting article |
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| 20:41.05 | syrae | it's weird because it's half paranoia and half backed up by theoretical science |
| 20:41.31 | syrae | even if it's a load of hogwash, it's still interesting to consider |
| 20:42.10 | Dagmar | I MUCH prefer that theory to the other one |
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| 20:42.36 | Dagmar | You know, the one where a miniscule black hole makes a beeline for the center of the Earth and we're all dead within the week |
| 20:43.36 | Cide | both are crackpot theories so /shrug |
| 20:46.50 | Dagmar | Ah but one of these crackpot theories can be used to get the local populace riled up old school style with pitchforks and torches |
| 20:47.29 | Dagmar | I wouldn't, but I can just baout guarantee you that if I sent a couple of people to talk smack in local bars for a few months prior to the next test, you could get people to storm the place and shut it down |
| 20:47.45 | foxlit | That place is in switzerland/france |
| 20:47.51 | foxlit | Those local bars are full of physicists. |
| 20:47.53 | Dagmar | The problem with crackpot theories is that frequently people _want_ to believe them |
| 20:48.13 | Cide | yep |
| 20:48.19 | Cide | there's a lot of people working there :P |
| 20:48.34 | Cide | plus they're the center for nuclear research |
| 20:48.39 | Cide | they can NUKE you if you do bad things. |
| 20:50.26 | Dagmar | Do you remember some years ago when there were a few bits of comet that struck Jupiter? |
| 20:50.41 | Cide | nope |
| 20:50.59 | Dagmar | Scientists talked to the news and quantified the amount of OMG force it generated and so on. Maybe it was Saturn for all I can remember |
| 20:51.02 | Dagmar | I have reason to want to forget |
| 20:51.16 | Dagmar | I was Djing at a college radio station then. I had a midnight to 3am slot. |
| 20:51.34 | Dagmar | Sheerly out of chic I spent a few weeks before that talking up what "they don't want you to know" about it |
| 20:52.06 | Dagmar | Specifically, I spun an epic tale of how this would actually ignire that planet and make Sol a dog-star system, and we'd have about a week before the atmosphere and oceans cooked off. |
| 20:52.18 | Dagmar | I made up shit that was half based on actual research. |
| 20:52.23 | Dagmar | You know, like Republicans do. |
| 20:52.40 | Dagmar | Afterwards, I found out how many people actually BELIEVED my line of bullshit |
| 20:52.45 | Dagmar | Five calls |
| 20:53.15 | Dagmar | People who really wanted to know _why_ that planet didn't become a second sun |
| 20:53.18 | Cide | and the fact that people are stupid as hell is news how? |
| 20:53.47 | Dagmar | I'm just saying if someone wanted to riot that facility and shut down the LHC, it would be easier than anyone wants to admit |
| 20:55.34 | Cide | with 2600 thousand employees and over 8000 participating scientists I'm sure they have some kind of security |
| 20:56.26 | Cide | and the fact that LHC itself is buried pretty far down in the ground means the mob needs to not only get inside (or drill a huge fucking hole), but also get down into the LHC level |
| 20:57.05 | Cide | your thesis is ridiculous |
| 20:57.16 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter. |
| 20:57.49 | Dagmar | People _want_ to believe crackpot things, and they'll go to great lengths to defend these beliefs once they've decided to believe in them. |
| 20:58.38 | Cide | to manage to sabotage the lhc would require a serious, dedicated effort of terrorism |
| 20:58.49 | Cide | I don't think your average mob is either capable or willing to go that far |
| 20:58.59 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 20:59.17 | Cide | you're arguing something purely hypothetical with no real-world example to point at |
| 20:59.28 | Dagmar | A mob convinced that the machine will end them all wouldn't need to "sabotage". |
| 20:59.39 | Cide | what would they need? |
| 20:59.46 | DWSR | Cide: A million people to go boom? |
| 20:59.49 | Torhal | Napalm. |
| 20:59.55 | Cide | napalm wouldn't do shit |
| 21:00.00 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:00.07 | Torhal | I know, but it sounds funny. |
| 21:00.23 | Dagmar | they'd just have to show up and say "Don't push that damn button" and look serious when doing it |
| 21:00.32 | Cide | rofl, right |
| 21:00.47 | Cide | if you're saying a serious demonstration would matter |
| 21:01.22 | Cide | cern is supported and financed by 20 countries |
| 21:01.29 | Dagmar | "Pitchforks and torches" scenarios are seldom "a demonstration" |
| 21:01.30 | Cide | I'm sure they'd bow to a demonstration |
| 21:01.45 | DWSR | Cide: If it's enough people. |
| 21:01.52 | foxlit | Nah. |
| 21:01.54 | Dagmar | Probably a good fifth of the staff isn't wholly convinced yet that the thing won't do something bad |
| 21:01.55 | DWSR | Cide: There's a reason they built the thing in Switzerland, that's all I'm saying. |
| 21:02.13 | Cide | Dagmar: numbers purely made up on the spot I take it. source? |
| 21:02.22 | Cide | the staff consists of particle physicists. |
| 21:02.22 | Dagmar | Of course they're made up |
| 21:02.52 | Cide | they don't think it'll do something bad |
| 21:02.54 | Dagmar | ...but ask your smartest friends if they'd like to have a black hole in a little bottle in front of them sometime. |
| 21:03.02 | foxlit | If there was a legitimate reason to not do it, they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. |
| 21:03.03 | DWSR | I would. |
| 21:03.08 | Dagmar | "Oh it'll evaporate in microseconds" |
| 21:03.12 | Cide | my smartest friends are all physicists |
| 21:03.18 | Cide | they'd all say "hell yes" |
| 21:03.22 | Dagmar | Betcha at least a few of them would say "Um, no thanks" |
| 21:03.27 | Cide | nope |
| 21:03.27 | DWSR | Cide: Indeed. |
| 21:03.33 | DWSR | I'm not a physicist and I would fucking love it. |
| 21:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, ask your smartest friends if they'd like to have a smoking hot supermodel in their bed sometime |
| 21:03.44 | ZorbaTHut | betcha at least a few of them would say "um, no thanks" |
| 21:03.48 | Cide | besides |
| 21:03.59 | Cide | there's nothing saying black holes will be generated anyway |
| 21:04.00 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: :D |
| 21:04.04 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Considering that I have some friends who are gay, of course |
| 21:04.14 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, see? clearly supermodels will destroy the world |
| 21:04.33 | ZorbaTHut | personally, the only reason I'd want a black hole in a bottle in front of me is if I had a pressing need for a new bottle |
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| 21:04.39 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise I'd just have to throw the bottle out |
| 21:04.42 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Worse yet, they might get a stiffy |
| 21:04.45 | Cide | there's some theoretical facts that suggest they *might* under rare circumstances but they'll evaporate immediately |
| 21:04.51 | foxlit | I believe the official line is "we're not colliding anything that already isn't colliding in our atmosphere every few seconds" |
| 21:04.59 | kd3 | grr, they changed unitguid |
| 21:05.00 | Cide | aye |
| 21:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://imgur.com/po1GR.jpg |
| 21:05.58 | DWSR | lol nhts |
| 21:06.04 | foxlit | "Do not tell my parents" isn't checked :/ |
| 21:06.59 | ZorbaTHut | what'd they change about unitguid? |
| 21:07.09 | kd3 | they moved the npc id up a few bits |
| 21:07.21 | ZorbaTHut | oy |
| 21:07.44 | ZorbaTHut | time to throw out any collected 3.3 data |
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| 21:07.59 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:07.59 | kd3 | 3.3: string.sub(UnitGUID('target'),7,10) |
| 21:08.06 | kd3 | I was wondering why I was getting like 8-digit NPCs |
| 21:12.10 | foxlit | Woah, guild |
| 21:12.21 | foxlit | "Xyz has gone offline"x25 |
| 21:12.53 | Cide | ragequit. |
| 21:14.12 | foxlit | They were all in Onyxia's Lair. |
| 21:14.35 | Cide | they didn't stop dots? |
| 21:14.50 | DWSR | CRUSHIM. |
| 21:17.12 | ZorbaTHut | onyxia deep disconnects more |
| 21:17.34 | DWSR | The ony achievements are all a joke. |
| 21:18.19 | ZorbaTHut | we failed "more dots" last night by one second :( |
| 21:19.03 | Cide | you didn't throw enough dots |
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| 21:19.20 | ZorbaTHut | more specifically, we didn't have enough shamans :D |
| 21:19.41 | foxlit | Hm, Hansblix is a warlock in my battlegroup |
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| 21:35.33 | foxlit | # What is the opposite of ln(x)? |
| 21:36.29 | foxlit | # Duraflame, the unnatural log. |
| 21:36.29 | Thunder_Child | out(x)? :p |
| 21:36.33 | Cide | opposite or inverse? |
| 21:36.39 | Cide | boring answer! |
| 21:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ~foxlit++ |
| 21:37.54 | Cide | ~karma foxlit |
| 21:37.54 | purl | foxlit has karma of 4 |
| 21:37.57 | Cide | ~karma Cide |
| 21:37.57 | purl | cide has karma of 8 |
| 21:37.59 | Cide | oh yeah. |
| 21:39.07 | foxlit | http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/b/bo_burnham/new_math.html for the rest of that song. |
| 21:40.44 | NightHawkTheSane | its an amusing song :) |
| 21:40.53 | NightHawkTheSane | his other stuff isn't bad either |
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| 21:42.11 | foxlit | "Man, this song is counterproductive!" |
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| 21:56.01 | Lunessa | I've been kicking ass since the dawn of time. I'm just a killing man, in my killing prime. I burn and I plunder as suits my desire. The weapon of my choice is great balls of fire. So why I ask, it doesn't make much sense should a man of my stature be forced to wear a dress? |
| 21:56.02 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w |
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| 21:59.34 | Thunder_Child | whats the command to list players in a channel? |
| 21:59.36 | Kaso | really that song is a classic |
| 21:59.45 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.48 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 22:00.01 | Kaso | there's also a tab for it now on the social window though |
| 22:00.16 | Kaso | though that might just be for custom channels |
| 22:00.18 | Kaso | i dont recall |
| 22:00.19 | kd3 | er, rather, /chatwho |
| 22:00.29 | foxlit | /chatlist |
| 22:00.34 | foxlit | It has aliases. |
| 22:00.36 | Thunder_Child | chatinfo worked |
| 22:00.37 | Kaso | they're all aliased together arent they? |
| 22:00.42 | Kaso | ah yes |
| 22:00.44 | kd3 | ah, yah, they are |
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| 22:04.12 | Thunder_Child | "The range at which players can see nameplates has been significantly expanded." me liky |
| 22:04.18 | Thunder_Child | likey* |
| 22:04.55 | Kaso | i wish nameplates were "smoothed" somewhat in their movement |
| 22:05.25 | Dagmar | They're putting an end to the nameplate shuffling that goes on, so I've heard. |
| 22:05.27 | Dagmar | That should help |
| 22:05.39 | Kaso | oh that would be nice |
| 22:06.16 | Kaso | that and shields in wintergrasp might make healing in there worth doing |
| 22:06.16 | Dagmar | I'd kinda like to see that happen with damage done, but then there wouldn't be that awesome "ATTACK OF TEH SPREADSHEETS" screenshot action |
| 22:10.58 | foxlit | Healing in any pvp environment: tab to select horde, then assist them with heals. |
| 22:12.04 | Lunessa | Kaso: They're going to stack instead of moving so as not to obscure each other now. |
| 22:14.01 | Kaso | i wonder if they will stack in distance from you order |
| 22:17.42 | Fisker | man |
| 22:17.44 | Fisker | i trolled hard |
| 22:19.17 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155577911&postId=111544749643&sid=1#6 <-He didn't like my nonsensical ranting quite as much as his own :( |
| 22:23.16 | Pneumatus | the fact no one has mentioned it's clearly so they can do their cross-game-communication-malarkey makes me facepalm |
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| 22:24.15 | Aelobin | they have mentioned xD |
| 22:25.08 | Fisker | me too |
| 22:25.17 | Fisker | Someone asked what advantages there were |
| 22:25.26 | Dagmar | I thin khe's confused about the meaning of the word 'arbitrary' |
| 22:25.30 | Fisker | Then i said they were rolling out some b.net features including cross-game communication |
| 22:25.43 | Fisker | Then he said those weren't advantages because he think they're bollocks |
| 22:26.07 | Fisker | Then i said that just because he doesn't like them, doesn't mean they're not advantages |
| 22:26.47 | Fisker | Then he said: "You did try to tell me that advantages aren't a subjective thing. HA! I'm not even going to debate with you, that's how ridiculous your argument is!" |
| 22:26.50 | Fisker | then i facepalm'd |
| 22:27.08 | Sesshu| | oh my god cross-game-communication will kill us all.. like ingame voice chat did it |
| 22:27.41 | Dagmar | I look forward to telling my co-workers how much I enjoy not being harassed by asshats on my PvE server. |
| 22:27.48 | Fisker | in-game voice will take the WoW world by storm |
| 22:28.44 | Sesshu| | yea |
| 22:29.19 | Dagmar | Now we just need to get the kiddies to stop panicking at the thought we'll hear their high and squeaky voices. |
| 22:29.37 | Dagmar | If they suck, we're going to know it from their playstyle with _much_ more certainty than if they sound like MIckey Mouse. |
| 22:29.41 | Lunessa | Anyone bitching about cross-game communication obviously doesn't use IM clients, IRC or a fucking telephone. |
| 22:30.10 | Dagmar | Lunessa: You know the gov't can use those to eavesdrop on you anytime they want right? |
| 22:30.15 | Dagmar | They cen even track your location! |
| 22:30.20 | Dagmar | onoes! |
| 22:30.36 | Lunessa | Dagmar: OMG - You don't know about the tracking devices in the $20 bill? WTF Man? |
| 22:30.54 | Fisker | or just the fact that you can create alliance characters Lunessa |
| 22:30.59 | Fisker | or horde if you're alliance |
| 22:31.09 | Dagmar | The eye on the back is actually a nanoscale camera! |
| 22:31.14 | Lunessa | And fluoridation of water is a cover-up for the mind-control sleeper drugs they've been giving us for decades. |
| 22:31.16 | Dagmar | It's watching your butt through your wallet! |
| 22:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | my jeans have a hole in them there, i hope they like the view |
| 22:31.54 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I don't envy that guy. I've seen a picture or three of my butt. |
| 22:32.21 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 22:32.57 | Dagmar | I keep trying to tell people that security admins would probably rather masturbate with a fish gripper than read other people's emails, but they don't seem to realize just how boring and time-consuming such a thing is |
| 22:33.37 | Lunessa | You know they're monitoring our PVP/PVE skills and will teleport the best players to the mother ship to defend the Earth when the Invader Others come, right? |
| 22:33.56 | Dagmar | Heh they won't take me |
| 22:34.01 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, i saw this movie |
| 22:34.08 | Dagmar | I'm too fond of the "push buttons at a distance" style of combat |
| 22:34.17 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Two or three times at least |
| 22:34.27 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You're going to get a high-security job as reactor shielding. |
| 22:34.28 | Dagmar | Hell, that trope is in SG:U |
| 22:34.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: sadly.. |
| 22:34.51 | Dagmar | Nah the sad thing is that it makes sense |
| 22:34.52 | Lunessa | That show jumped the shark in 1 episode. |
| 22:35.00 | NightHawkTheSane | thats also true. (both of you) |
| 22:35.10 | Dagmar | The average person on the street would have NO idea what to do should a zombie apocalypse occur |
| 22:35.31 | Dagmar | The average gamer on the other hand would already be headed to the hardware store to get some axes |
| 22:35.44 | Lunessa | I know! I'll make out with hawt zombie chicks! |
| 22:35.45 | foxlit | axes? |
| 22:35.50 | foxlit | AXES?! |
| 22:35.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i got axe for you? |
| 22:36.04 | Dagmar | ...with a quick stop by Cutlery World to pick up that Frostmourne replica |
| 22:36.13 | foxlit | Question: are zombies self-sustaining? |
| 22:36.19 | Dagmar | You don't have to reload bladed weapons. |
| 22:36.25 | Dagmar | Very important, that. |
| 22:36.34 | foxlit | But you can't use them from rooftops. |
| 22:36.38 | Dagmar | Guns always have you on a hunt for more ammo |
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| 22:37.39 | foxlit | i.e. would they simply die out if left well enough alone? |
| 22:37.47 | NightHawkTheSane | just more food because you got tired from swiging it |
| 22:37.49 | Dagmar | Where's the fun in that? |
| 22:38.38 | Dagmar | I guarantee you I can swing a real axe more times than anything short of a highly illegal ammo clip will hold |
| 22:38.39 | Lunessa | 'Cause some day you'll be out of food and guns, then you'll have to let us in... |
| 22:38.59 | foxlit | But that's why you lock yourself in a mall. |
| 22:39.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 22:39.08 | foxlit | Then you have a few weeks. |
| 22:39.30 | Lunessa | All we want to do is eat your breains. |
| 22:39.32 | Lunessa | brains |
| 22:39.34 | Dagmar | I'd rather stake out an accountancy firm's headquarters |
| 22:39.54 | Dagmar | They usually have a commissary/kitchen, and they're less prone to having lots of floor-length glass windows. |
| 22:39.58 | Dagmar | ...which are a problem. |
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| 22:42.41 | WobWork | awesome. I'm now getting Pharmacy spam through PMs on MMOUI :O |
| 22:43.00 | mikma | cool |
| 22:43.02 | Dagmar | As an added bonus, you can generally break cubicles down into lightweight panels that can be constructed into anti-zombie bulwarks and barricades |
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| 22:44.42 | WobWork | They don't hold up well against zombies |
| 22:44.51 | WobWork | you need good solid mall glass doors for that |
| 22:44.58 | foxlit | Ahem, air-transmitted pathogens. |
| 22:45.12 | WobWork | foxlit: well -that's- no fun! |
| 22:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE an air-transmitted pathogen |
| 22:45.33 | ZorbaTHut | your *mom's* an air-transmitted pathogen |
| 22:45.43 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 22:45.49 | WobWork | well, that kinda follows, doesn't it? |
| 22:45.56 | Dagmar | Accountancy firms are also likely to have their own DC. |
| 22:46.00 | WobWork | being an air borne pathogen is -bound- to be genetic |
| 22:46.08 | Dagmar | Datacenter HVAC tends to be an enclosed system |
| 22:46.22 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I've known very nice people whose parents were basically pathogens |
| 22:46.30 | Dagmar | We don't ask a lot of questions about why that's safe |
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| 22:46.44 | foxlit | In a zombie apocalypse, how long would the power system continue running on automatic? |
| 22:47.03 | Dagmar | This depends on how well-trained the DC manager was |
| 22:47.14 | Dagmar | UPS and generators, baybee |
| 22:47.58 | foxlit | Typical reserve length is what, a few days? |
| 22:48.19 | Dagmar | Once you turn off the computers you can double whatever they projected, if not triple it |
| 22:49.10 | Nechckn | Depends on the DC's data type, location, et cetera. But likely a couple days is the norm. As Dagmar says, turn off all the extra crap, and you likely extend that to about a week. |
| 22:49.13 | Lunessa | foxlit: Check out "Life After People" from History.com - http://www.history.com/content/life_after_people Fun stuff |
| 22:49.33 | Nechckn | That is an interesting show ;-) |
| 22:49.33 | Dagmar | A good DC will have double the cooling it needs, because if an HVAC unit goes down and you _don't_, you get to explain to customers why they have to turn their stuff off even when there's plenty of power |
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| 22:56.20 | WobWork | Most good DCs are highly evolved examples of applied redundancies =) |
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| 23:04.38 | ArrowmasterClass | thats weird, i have a voicemail from somebody that didnt say who they were calling for, or what company that were from, only mentioned their first name, and said something about getting my number as a potential job applicant or something |
| 23:04.56 | ArrowmasterClass | i have no fucking idea what its about or who it could be |
| 23:09.04 | Bruners | is there an addon that can do reverse thing so that you can look at a gem and it tells you that you got this design ? |
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| 23:11.49 | foxlit | Wtb CameraStop(); |
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| 23:25.03 | Thunder_Child | heh, my herb just hit 420 |
| 23:34.43 | WobWork | hm |
| 23:34.47 | WobWork | I want some lorem ipsum |
| 23:34.50 | WobWork | but something different |
| 23:35.08 | WobWork | Anyone know of some markov generator for filling in space? |
| 23:35.18 | WobWork | lorem ipsum is so boring =( |
| 23:35.40 | Lopeppeppy | lorem ipsum is the only one I really know. |
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| 23:40.21 | Codayus_ | WobWork: I don't know of any good tools, but some do exist. |
| 23:40.26 | Fisker | WobWork :( |
| 23:40.35 | Fisker | i gotta get up in 3½ hours :/ |
| 23:40.47 | Codayus_ | For example http://www.dummytextgenerator.com lets you generate standard lorem ipsum of nonsense english text. |
| 23:41.41 | Codayus_ | Possibly close to what your looking for. |
| 23:41.44 | Fisker | btw |
| 23:41.46 | Fisker | this one was new |
| 23:41.48 | Dagmar | People can't paste lorem ipsums? |
| 23:41.58 | Dagmar | Interesting... |
| 23:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | Of course they can. |
| 23:42.05 | Fisker | People recruiting based on nationality, age, class or raid requirements = racists |
| 23:42.08 | Fisker | :/ |
| 23:42.12 | Fisker | i'm like hitler or something |
| 23:42.14 | Fisker | then |
| 23:42.16 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 23:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, go to bed |
| 23:42.24 | Fisker | naw |
| 23:42.54 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 23:42.56 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker |
| 23:42.56 | purl | fisker has neutral karma |
| 23:42.58 | DWSR | :o |
| 23:43.00 | Fisker | fu |
| 23:43.03 | WobWork | Codayus_: awesome |
| 23:43.05 | Fisker | i'm trolling at a 100 mph |
| 23:43.21 | DWSR | Fisker: Except you're not getting anyone angry. |
| 23:43.29 | DWSR | They're all ignoring you. Impotent trolls receive positive karma. |
| 23:44.05 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155577911&sid=1#12 <-He did |
| 23:44.05 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 23:44.16 | WobWork | >< |
| 23:44.18 | WobWork | Visitors: 289946 visitors have hited Don't Stop Me Now Lyrics since May 27, 2008. |
| 23:45.15 | Fisker | trips WobWork |
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| 23:45.56 | Fisker | herro Kraps |
| 23:46.14 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy is trying to send me to bed |
| 23:46.15 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:46.51 | Kraps | yeah, you never seem to leave... |
| 23:47.43 | Lopeppeppy | You need sleep |
| 23:48.00 | Fisker | naw |
| 23:48.05 | Fisker | i need a bed-time story :( |
| 23:48.06 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
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| 23:48.12 | DWSR | ~karma |
| 23:48.12 | purl | dwsr has karma of -1 |
| 23:48.15 | DWSR | :o |
| 23:48.16 | Fisker | ownt |
| 23:48.17 | Kraps | oh, he needs a lot more than sleep |
| 23:48.19 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker |
| 23:48.19 | purl | fisker has karma of 1 |
| 23:48.22 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:48.23 | DWSR | pwnt. |
| 23:48.36 | Kraps | a trout slapping maybe |
| 23:48.38 | Dagmar | How the hell did _that_ happen? |
| 23:49.14 | WobWork | damn |
| 23:49.29 | WobWork | as much as I like running movie quotes through a markov generator to get text blocks |
| 23:49.33 | WobWork | it just looks unprofessional |
| 23:49.47 | Kraps | ~karma Kraps |
| 23:49.47 | purl | kraps has neutral karma |
| 23:49.55 | Kraps | hmm |
| 23:50.32 | Sesshu| | ~pi |
| 23:50.33 | purl | somebody said pi was 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 23:50.47 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: thats probably why everyone uses lorem ipsum... |
| 23:51.13 | Thunder_Child | ~pie |
| 23:51.21 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 23:51.25 | Sesshu| | :P |
| 23:51.50 | DWSR | People who beg for tips are pathetic. |
| 23:52.20 | DWSR | "Crafting fee required" <-- For pressing a button? Fuck you. |
| 23:52.30 | Thunder_Child | thats not begging then |
| 23:52.47 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
| 23:52.56 | Dagmar | DWSR: Feel free to grind your own skill up then. |
| 23:53.02 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 1 beg |
| 23:53.03 | Nechckn | I don't like when they do it, but it is not a "tip" then. |
| 23:53.13 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 2 beg |
| 23:53.16 | DWSR | LOL T_C. |
| 23:53.20 | Dagmar | That's saying outright "PAY MEH" |
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| 23:53.31 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 23:53.32 | Thunder_Child | see, it's more of a demand than a beg |
| 23:53.34 | kd3 | that was quick |
| 23:53.39 | kd3 | icecrown boss #1 up tomorrow night |
| 23:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: whats wrong with charging someone for a service? if you dont want to pay, go somewhere else. |
| 23:53.53 | Nechckn | Or a "sale of services" it's just annoying when they say "Tip required" |
| 23:53.59 | Dagmar | ...and you're right, when they say "crafting fee required" it's not a tip. They're asking for a crafting fee. |
| 23:54.10 | Dagmar | Complaining that it's not a tip is just as useless as complaining that it's not a blowjob. |
| 23:54.29 | DWSR | NHTS: I look at it this way: There is nothing wrong with getting paid for your work, but it's not like it actually takes effort to craft something. Move your sausage finger over the craft button, perhaps twice, and then away you go. |
| 23:54.37 | DWSR | I tip people earnestly. |
| 23:54.44 | Dagmar | DWSR: Why didn't you do it then if it's so easy? |
| 23:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: so, like i said, if you dont like it, go somewhere else, or do it yourself |
| 23:54.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: Because blacksmithing is mostly useless for a warlock? |
| 23:55.04 | DWSR | There are better professions. |
| 23:55.07 | Dagmar | Because it *did* require attention, diligence, resources and time to get that skill up |
| 23:55.16 | DWSR | Or a bot. |
| 23:55.19 | Dagmar | DWSR: Sucks to be you then. |
| 23:55.34 | Dagmar | I sell my stuff in the AH just so I don't have to tell people "go eff yourself" |
| 23:55.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Personally, i dont craft anything for people who aren't friends or guildies without charging them, up front. |
| 23:55.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Wimpface (n=Rhiren@83.252.63.142) |
| 23:55.53 | Dagmar | It sells just fine there, and there's no trailer park drama from people claiming it's valueless |
| 23:56.05 | Wimpface | Hello, does anyone know the framename of the stancebar? |
| 23:56.10 | Wimpface | Cant' find it anyway. |
| 23:56.14 | Dagmar | I didn't get leatherworking to 450 just to entertain myself |
| 23:56.18 | Wimpface | ActionBar7 was my first guess but nope, no go. |
| 23:56.25 | DWSR | If someone's going to cut me a gem, or DE me something, I always tip. If no one did, people wouldn't get patterns besides the ones that are useful. |
| 23:56.31 | DWSR | Wimpface: StanceBar, I think =\ |
| 23:56.50 | Wimpface | Really? |
| 23:56.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can bot your way to 450. |
| 23:56.59 | Wimpface | That'd just make me look stupid. :( |
| 23:57.14 | Jerub | someone was advetising asking for a LW with a ToC pattern, offering to tip 50g. |
| 23:57.15 | Nechckn | At least for me, I don't have an issue tipping folks, and I always do it. I just have an issue with them calling it a tip when it's a fee. =) |
| 23:57.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: yeah, that mildly irks me. i dont mind fees, but at least don't be so dumb as to claim its a tip |
| 23:58.07 | Nechckn | exactly |
| 23:58.15 | NightHawkTheSane | it also irks me when people complain that so-and-so didn't tip, or tipped badly. |
| 23:58.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:58.24 | Nechckn | Oh man, yeah |
| 23:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm always like "if you want more money, charge it up front." |
| 23:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | otherwise, stfu. |
| 23:59.03 | Dagmar | DWSR: Then why don't you bot your way to 450 |
| 23:59.10 | Dagmar | Oh wait... They'll cancel your account for that. |
| 23:59.16 | Dagmar | I guess you _can't_ just "bot your way to 450" then. |
| 23:59.35 | Wimpface | Haha. :) |
| 23:59.38 | Codayus_ | Mmm, on many (most? all?) servers the consensus seems to be that the proper name for a crafting fee is a tip. It's annoying, but meh. I think I'm bothered more by the people who say "looking for blah blah blah, PST me". |
| 23:59.39 | Thunder_Child | how do people get away with this crap. "Please tell me how long you have been doing xxxxxx. 1-2 years, 3-5 years, 5-10 years". i guess i can not have been doing anything for 2 1/2 years |
| 23:59.52 | Codayus_ | Since if you expand PST that's gramatically incorrect. |
| 23:59.59 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Hopefully their teacher will point out the fail in their metric |
