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| 00:01.35 | Shirik | huh |
| 00:01.40 | Shirik | well it's nice to see that functionality works |
| 00:02.34 | Shirik | [Bamboo] WARNING: Build IDEA-STD-20 could not succeed: No agents are capable of building this change. [Queued] |
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| 00:02.49 | Shirik | who the hell uploaded a Java project for a C++ program... |
| 00:03.01 | Shirik | I don't have a JDK on the build server :P |
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| 00:04.33 | bleeter | rawr |
| 00:04.44 | bleeter | lolol |
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| 00:23.02 | bleeter | so we're all getting a penguin for being good pre-adopters (ie, beta testers) of battle.net? or a penguin AND a walrus? |
| 00:23.28 | foxlit | already got a murloc |
| 00:24.08 | bleeter | yeah I got a grunty |
| 00:24.12 | foxlit | a space murloc, no less. |
| 00:24.44 | Thunder_Child | actually you got the robot for being a pre-adopter |
| 00:24.46 | bleeter | pet walrus would be neat, specially if it had... tauntaun like.. capabilities |
| 00:24.55 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: robot? |
| 00:25.03 | Thunder_Child | the battle bot |
| 00:25.09 | Thunder_Child | from mountian dew |
| 00:25.19 | bleeter | had to live in NA to get that doh |
| 00:25.22 | foxlit | the ones that they cleansed from european realms as if they were the plague |
| 00:25.54 | foxlit | Rolling restarts because brewfest quests reappeared were *hilarious*, too. |
| 00:26.23 | bleeter | being able to reset daily count by logging to char select was bloody funny as well. |
| 00:26.43 | bleeter | specially the GMs being all 'oh no they don't' |
| 00:27.08 | bleeter | red rag to a bull, that.. 'go on bleeter, EXPLOIT IT AND PROVE IT' lol |
| 00:27.35 | bleeter | they didn't roll back the rep :) |
| 00:31.54 | Wobin | Dante's Inferno looks like a cool game |
| 00:31.57 | bleeter | foxlit: get me a coffeee |
| 00:32.06 | Adys | Thrae: psych isnt so bad |
| 00:32.17 | bleeter | Wobin: you follow bathurst at all? |
| 00:32.18 | Adys | its not terribly good either but it does the job |
| 00:32.20 | foxlit | bleeter: undeclared variable. |
| 00:32.52 | bleeter | foxlit: no need to be so rude about it! :P |
| 00:35.35 | Wobin | bleeter, ? |
| 00:36.09 | bleeter | Wobin: mount panorama, vrrrrroooom... etc. |
| 00:36.19 | Wobin | oh, no =) |
| 00:36.19 | foxlit | bleeter: it could be worse. It could be "syntax error" :) |
| 00:36.42 | bleeter | foxlit: touche |
| 00:37.01 | bleeter | Wobin: was merely curious, I mostly cbf either ;) |
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| 00:55.01 | Sesshu | lua> 2+2 |
| 00:55.05 | lua_bot | Sesshu: 4 |
| 00:56.37 | Sesshu | so |
| 00:57.37 | Sesshu | ./run 2 + 2 causes an error |
| 00:58.21 | theorbtwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.31 | Sesshu | hm |
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| 00:59.02 | Sesshu | is there a good reason why the run command does? |
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| 01:00.31 | theorbtwo | Norraclue. |
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| 01:01.20 | smcn | probably the space |
| 01:01.25 | Sesshu | no |
| 01:01.31 | Sesshu | 2+2 causes as well |
| 01:02.22 | Kaso | because 2+2 isnt a valid statement |
| 01:02.40 | Kaso | dump is like print(2+2) which is a valid statement |
| 01:02.59 | Kaso | ,/run 4 |
| 01:03.01 | Kaso | wont work either |
| 01:03.13 | theorbtwo | Ah, expression in void context isn't a valid lua statement? |
| 01:03.24 | Kaso | yah |
| 01:03.50 | Kaso | luabot does equivalent to "return %s" |
| 01:03.55 | Kaso | thats why it doesnt error on that |
| 01:04.11 | Kaso | and /run return 2+2 will similarly work fine |
| 01:04.30 | Cide | by my design it first tries "return %s" and if that errors it tries simply "%s" |
| 01:04.39 | Kaso | ah |
| 01:04.44 | Cide | don't know if jnwhiteh uses the same design |
| 01:06.30 | mikma | stop your privateserver hacking |
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| 02:10.45 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:10.49 | Wobin | that's a good point |
| 02:11.02 | Wobin | Obama would be best served by -declining- to accept the peace prize |
| 02:12.18 | bleeter | yeah well I'd decline being regarded as equal to Hitler, Kissenger, etc. |
| 02:12.38 | Wobin | nah, but he'll get more out of the award politically, if he declines it |
| 02:12.49 | Corrodias | oh hells no, being a third as influential as hitler would be amazing |
| 02:12.50 | Thunder_Child | he hsould never have been offered it |
| 02:12.50 | Wobin | -and- he won't have to live up to it |
| 02:12.55 | Thunder_Child | should* |
| 02:13.05 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, eh, I can kinda see why they did offer it |
| 02:13.30 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, oh, did i miss something? |
| 02:13.35 | Wobin | but he'll be better served by declining the honour |
| 02:14.36 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, From an outside of America perspective, Obama is the first president we've seen in a while that seems likely to break the mould of America's decline |
| 02:14.54 | Mr_Rabies | has anyone declined a nobel peace prize in the past? |
| 02:15.00 | Wobin | Mr_Rabies, yes |
| 02:15.47 | Wobin | well one person |
| 02:16.03 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't really matter what he does, his opponents will find fault in it |
| 02:16.08 | Wobin | Hitler was nominated, but the nomination was withdrawn |
| 02:16.19 | Codayus_ | Politically, yes, declining it would be very astute. Probably won't happen, I don't think. |
| 02:16.24 | Wobin | Ghandi was nominated five times, but never won |
| 02:16.28 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, they're cheering that the USA didn't get the olympics |
| 02:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | because it means a loss for him |
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| 02:17.08 | Wobin | Mr_Rabies, it'll hold more stead with international politics, not internal ones |
| 02:17.14 | Thunder_Child | the US != The President |
| 02:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | everything he does can and will be twisted to harm him within the states |
| 02:17.33 | Corrodias | Thunder: well, it's the same mentality that fuels "We won the superbowl!" |
| 02:17.37 | Wobin | His opponents will -always- find fault |
| 02:17.42 | Wobin | that's why they're his opponents |
| 02:17.52 | Codayus_ | Just like happened to the LAST um...how many presidents has the US had now? |
| 02:17.56 | Codayus_ | Yeah. |
| 02:18.15 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, i dont do sports so i am not sure what you are refering to |
| 02:18.24 | Corrodias | ah |
| 02:18.29 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't realize you were speaking internationally when you said he'd be better serverd, wobin |
| 02:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | served* |
| 02:18.39 | Codayus_ | (And just like happens to the presidents/prime ministers/premieres/el presidente for life/whatever of every other country...) |
| 02:18.44 | Corrodias | most people who care about sports automatically root for a team from their region and get every competetive about it |
| 02:18.54 | Corrodias | even if they have absolutely nothing to do with the team. they still think of it as "theirs". |
| 02:18.57 | Wobin | oh, yeah =) All my opinions will be from an international standpoint =) |
| 02:19.03 | Mr_Rabies | i thought he was pretty well liked internationally, especially compared with recent US presidents |
| 02:19.06 | Wobin | I know nothing of internal American politics |
| 02:19.10 | Wobin | He is |
| 02:19.12 | Corrodias | for no other reason than that they happen to live in the region the team is named after |
| 02:19.25 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, ok. but you dont blame the state for their loss |
| 02:19.28 | Codayus_ | Mr_Rabies: In some parts of the world...yes. In others no. Western europe mostly likes him. |
| 02:19.42 | Corrodias | so the US doesn't take all the olympics, and people assume obama is supposed to be affected by that |
| 02:20.01 | Corrodias | because they expect that same "us" sport mentality. that's my assumption. |
| 02:20.56 | Codayus_ | Corrodias: Obama was personally involved in lobbying for them - he spent his political capital on that, and unavoidably cought some of the result. To be fair, some would have criticized him if he HADN'T lobbied and Chicago had lost. :) |
| 02:21.11 | Mr_Rabies | (most of the same people) |
| 02:21.11 | Corrodias | chicago? what? |
| 02:21.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Mr_Rabies: heh, almost ALL the same people, really |
| 02:21.40 | Corrodias | -oh- i get what you mean |
| 02:21.47 | Corrodias | sorry, i misunderstood the whole argument |
| 02:21.51 | Mr_Rabies | i probably would have criticized him if he hadn't lobbied |
| 02:21.51 | A-KO | damned if you do, damned if you don't |
| 02:21.54 | A-KO | pretty much how it works out |
| 02:21.56 | Corrodias | i thought you were talking about winning the olympics, not HOSTING them |
| 02:22.13 | Codayus_ | The vast majority of the criticism I saw wasn't that he lobbied, but simply disapointment that he did a fairly poor job of lobbying. *shrug* YMMV depending on what bits of the media you listen to. |
| 02:22.16 | Mr_Rabies | lobbying for the olympics is pretty important |
| 02:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | to me, at least |
| 02:22.26 | mikma | hehe, mr piece, obama |
| 02:22.31 | Corrodias | why? what do you get if you win the lobbying? |
| 02:22.35 | A-KO | Codayus_: but you can't compete with the fact that there has never been an Olympic games held in South America |
| 02:22.46 | A-KO | I don't think, even short of providing a personal blow job to all of the IOC, he could have done it |
| 02:23.08 | Codayus_ | A-KO: Yes. From a certain POV, Chicago losing was inevitable. |
| 02:23.11 | Mr_Rabies | if it wins you the nomination, Corrodias, it considerably helps that area's economy |
| 02:23.32 | Mr_Rabies | atlanta did pretty good after 96, even considering the bombings |
| 02:23.34 | Codayus_ | Which makes Obama using political capital and getting himself associated with a losing big shockingly poor politics. OTOH...hindsite, 20/20, meh. |
| 02:23.47 | Codayus_ | Mr_Rabies: Naa, it's usually a net negative. |
| 02:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | eh.. |
| 02:23.56 | Codayus_ | I would NOT want any area I lived in to win them. |
| 02:23.58 | Wobin | Sydney was one of the few that made a profit |
| 02:24.14 | A-KO | Montreal turned their Olympic park into a giant park |
| 02:24.23 | Wobin | China possibly did too, with the number of volunteers they assembled |
| 02:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | the only people who really think he lost huge amounts of political capital by lobbying for chicago are the same people who would have critisized him regardless of what he did |
| 02:24.31 | A-KO | "volunteers" |
| 02:24.32 | A-KO | :P |
| 02:24.36 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:24.41 | Codayus_ | Frankly, it's USUALLY an outright disaster. I think Salt Lake City was about a break even as well, but most...no. (Figuring out what China actually spent...well, I doubt even THEY know.) |
| 02:24.42 | Thunder_Child | china prolly didnt make a profit, but they did profit in other ways |
| 02:25.00 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: he didn't lose any political capital with me :P |
| 02:25.21 | A-KO | oh noes, we didn't get the Olympics |
| 02:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: me either, but i dont think we matter that much ;) |
| 02:25.28 | A-KO | big deal? |
| 02:25.30 | Codayus_ | Yeah, everyone always goes "blah blah blah image, tourism, intangible positive fringe benefits, fascilities". Any time anyone doesn't want to give a hard number, it means the numbers suck. |
| 02:25.53 | A-KO | Codayus_: and the amount of taxation needed to build an olympic area is far more than most cities have at this point in time |
| 02:26.08 | A-KO | and far more than most would give |
| 02:26.22 | A-KO | it all sounds good and dandy until people realize "oh shit, they just spent umpteen billion dollars of MY tax money on this." |
| 02:26.39 | A-KO | especially in the US, where they train you since kindergarten that "taxes = evil zomg" |
| 02:26.44 | Codayus_ | It's sort of like government subsidied for sports stadiums for privately owned sports teams. |
| 02:26.50 | NightHawkTheSane | is okay with spending tax dollars on olympic faciliteis |
| 02:26.53 | Codayus_ | Which is another pet peeve of mine. RAH. |
| 02:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | facilities* |
| 02:27.12 | A-KO | I am too NightHawkTheSane, I'm okay with increasing my taxes on a lot of stuff--provided that we lose some of these contractors and shit like that. |
| 02:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed. >.> |
| 02:27.33 | A-KO | Government tax dollars go directly into private company hands |
| 02:27.35 | A-KO | and they live very well |
| 02:27.42 | Codayus_ | NightHawkTheSane: Eh, the best thing I can say about the government building olympic fascilities is its less of a waste than so much of what governments do. That doesn't make it a GOOD idea. |
| 02:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i hesitate to call it strictly good or strictly bad |
| 02:28.23 | A-KO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States < look at #1,2,3,7 -- I assure you those numbers have nothing to do with movie stars and the entertainment industry, and everything to do with the nearby government facilities of the US :P |
| 02:28.54 | Codayus_ | A slightly less um....irrationaly exuberant approach to hosting them - ie, not build massive fascilities which will be empty for as long as they remain stadning - would save a fuckton of money. :-/ |
| 02:28.56 | A-KO | oh, and #9 |
| 02:29.21 | A-KO | Codayus_: given the amount of people that flood in for the olympics it's almost impossible to host it with any facilities in any city |
| 02:29.37 | A-KO | they *have* to be constructed |
| 02:30.01 | Codayus_ | A-KO: Where is it written in stone that that many people really NEED to flood in? |
| 02:30.29 | Codayus_ | Have fewer seats, sell fewer tickets, sell more TV advertising, have fewer airplane flights, make more money, save the environment. |
| 02:30.31 | A-KO | Codayus_: it's not based on whether or not people need to, it's that people want to. And that's just how it is. |
| 02:30.32 | Codayus_ | Win win. |
| 02:31.01 | A-KO | Codayus_: that would work if all of those were government controlled, they are not, they are privately controlled--and each of those industries want their share of the pie and are willing to do whatever it takes to get it. |
| 02:32.20 | NightHawkTheSane | even if a city could use (some) of its existing facilities, they're almost certainly not up to spec for the olympics. so its not like no money would go into them. and in a lot of cases, facilities are built because the city does not HAVE the facility in question |
| 02:32.28 | A-KO | it's not a matter of fact of whether or not people will go to the games, it's a fact that they will, and they will come in droves. |
| 02:32.32 | Codayus_ | As long as private industries fund it, I'm indifferent. Taxpayer subsidies to reward destructive behaviour - which is what, if we're honest, the Olympic Extravaganza is - seems...counterproductive. ....on the other hand in the Great Big Book of Things Codayus is Concerned about, it's somewhere in Volume 12, so meh. |
| 02:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | it seems kind of odd to rail against the olympics as destructive behavior |
| 02:33.16 | A-KO | Codayus_: Private industries don't fund it, in fact, it's pretty straight that private industries will not fund any of it in any way shape or form other than the increased tax revenue generated from increased sales, but that is a miniscule amount based on the cost. |
| 02:33.31 | Cloudwolf | Who here has tied thier wow account to a battle.net account? |
| 02:33.34 | A-KO | me |
| 02:33.39 | Cloudwolf | is it worth it? |
| 02:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- |
| 02:33.39 | A-KO | I did it the day it was available Cloudwolf |
| 02:33.40 | Codayus_ | Cloudwolf: me |
| 02:33.44 | Cloudwolf | i know eventualy i will have to... |
| 02:33.44 | NightHawkTheSane | same, A-KO |
| 02:33.44 | A-KO | it's free |
| 02:33.50 | Mr_Rabies | has that not become a requirement yet? |
| 02:33.52 | Codayus_ | You need to do it for an authenticator, therefore, you should have already done it. |
| 02:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | its free, its easy, why not? |
| 02:34.00 | Cloudwolf | i know it is a-ko i have a battle.net account and i have all my games except for wow tied to it |
| 02:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Mr_Rabies: it will be as of nov 12th |
| 02:34.07 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: so what's the complaint? |
| 02:34.23 | Cloudwolf | only question for me is security |
| 02:34.26 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: I'm still in favor of a VAT being added in the US |
| 02:34.29 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: get an authenticator |
| 02:34.29 | Cloudwolf | as it makes my email adress my wow login |
| 02:34.32 | A-KO | security problem solved |
| 02:34.40 | NightHawkTheSane | usernames are not secure. period. |
| 02:34.43 | A-KO | nope |
| 02:34.44 | NightHawkTheSane | if thats your concern, its a nonissue |
| 02:34.47 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't played wow since like 2007 or so and i put mine on there so i could use an authenticator |
| 02:34.47 | Codayus_ | Yes, get an authenticator. |
| 02:35.10 | Mr_Rabies | also it's nice to be able to redownload wc3 or d2 whenever i feel like it |
| 02:35.36 | Cloudwolf | How much are authenticators and where can i get them besides the blizzard store? or is it onlyt he online blizzard store? |
| 02:35.43 | A-KO | blizzard store, $6 USD, free shipping |
| 02:35.47 | A-KO | or if you have a mobile phone |
| 02:35.48 | A-KO | like iphone |
| 02:35.51 | A-KO | it's free on the app store |
| 02:35.55 | NightHawkTheSane | (not any mobile phone) >< |
| 02:35.58 | A-KO | not sure which other phone platforms it's on |
| 02:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | or, free if you go to a blizz event. :P |
| 02:36.04 | A-KO | smartphone :P I should say. |
| 02:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | not even all smartphones |
| 02:36.13 | Cloudwolf | guess i might have to go pay 6 bucks for one |
| 02:36.21 | Cloudwolf | and then hope to god i dont lose it in my messy house... |
| 02:36.32 | Mr_Rabies | it has a keychain thing |
| 02:36.41 | A-KO | I keep it on my phone--if my phone gets lost/damaged/stolen I'm fucked |
| 02:36.41 | Mr_Rabies | if i recall |
| 02:36.43 | Cloudwolf | i never have my keys directly on me XD |
| 02:36.56 | Cloudwolf | i have my keys in my backpack... >.> |
| 02:36.59 | Cloudwolf | along with my phone |
| 02:37.05 | Cloudwolf | hmm i prolly should change that habbit |
| 02:37.20 | Codayus_ | Guildmate had her account compromised on Friday. She was on her honeymoon, so we knew she wouldn't be logging in, but...came online. Yep, wasn't her. |
| 02:37.35 | Cloudwolf | fun. |
| 02:37.46 | Codayus_ | And whomever it was converted her account to a bnet account, which makes it a lot more of a pain to recover. |
| 02:37.48 | A-KO | anyone who gets keylogged/trojaned these days needs to be smacked. And anyone who enables it to happen needs to be smacked. |
| 02:38.04 | A-KO | All of the people who think they're "computer experts" need to be smacked, etc etc. |
| 02:38.26 | Codayus_ | And, of course, she's on her honeymoon, so...yeah, ouch. (She was an officer, but was demoted before whomever was controlling her account tried to empty it. So at least there's that.) |
| 02:38.28 | mikma | stfu or i go expert on your ass, ass |
| 02:38.28 | A-KO | the basement kiddies who think because they can install firefox they're somehow "FREE OF THE EVIL TYRANNY" and better than everyone else, and know more about security. |
| 02:38.30 | Cloudwolf | 6.50 usd gar lol heh |
| 02:38.42 | A-KO | as soon as you ask them what a CN is on a digital certificate they go "uuuuhm, uuuuh, YOU NERD!" |
| 02:38.54 | Codayus_ | Tried to empty the guild bank, I should say. |
| 02:39.36 | Cloudwolf | <.< wahts a CN? XD |
| 02:39.41 | Cloudwolf | i honestly dont know time to googl eit |
| 02:39.42 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:39.51 | A-KO | don't worry if you're not one of those people :P |
| 02:40.01 | A-KO | I'm just saying, that's pretty much what it comes down to |
| 02:40.15 | Cloudwolf | i just use firefox cus its faster than internet explorer and i can use irc via chatzilla |
| 02:40.32 | A-KO | I deal with people all the time who get hacked/trojaned/keylogged, and they swear up and down "I use Firefox and I don't go anywhere I swear!" |
| 02:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | INDEED: http://twitter.com/wilshipley/status/4775316191 |
| 02:40.36 | A-KO | mmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:40.40 | NightHawkTheSane | (wilshipley is awesome) |
| 02:41.21 | Cloudwolf | the authenticator has a button heh... |
| 02:41.28 | Mr_Rabies | A-KO i do computer repair for a living, and once i told a customer to put a fraud watch on his bank account because it was covered in keyloggers, etc |
| 02:41.43 | A-KO | yes, you push the button, it gives you a number, you typein number after entering your user/password. |
| 02:41.46 | Mr_Rabies | they called back and said the bank told them it was impossible for someone to get that info over the computer |
| 02:41.56 | Codayus_ | Scary |
| 02:41.59 | A-KO | Unfortunately the details of how the authenticator works have escaped me :( |
| 02:42.03 | A-KO | that's fucked up Mr_Rabies |
| 02:42.16 | Cloudwolf | ROFL ⢠Tough and durable â lasts for years and replacement is easy. wait if it breaks and my account is tied how does replacement help me |
| 02:42.22 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: im sure its googlable |
| 02:42.31 | Cloudwolf | doesn't that mean i have just had my account unaccesable heh |
| 02:42.36 | A-KO | Mr_Rabies: after reading some of the shit I do on the internet I don't even trust my bank's website, and I have a secure VPN to a hosted computer of mine that I build every time I go out onto a network I do not control. Friend's network, wifi network, work network, etc. |
| 02:42.59 | Mr_Rabies | my bank's got some viruses on their public access computers :( |
| 02:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Cloudwolf: if it breaks, yeah. so don't break it. i think customer service might be able to help |
| 02:43.04 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: nah pretty sure it isn't, I had a long conversation with one of the people who worked on the system.......sadly wouldn't give me too many details though :( |
| 02:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | but really, don't break it. |
| 02:43.19 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: if you lose it, you only need the full CD key of your original wow game |
| 02:43.25 | A-KO | and you can get your account unlocked |
| 02:43.50 | A-KO | or, the other details--photocopied ID, CC used to pay on the account, if applicable, etc. some other details. |
| 02:43.52 | Cloudwolf | awsome |
| 02:43.55 | Cloudwolf | time to go fidn those disks >.> |
| 02:44.00 | Mr_Rabies | god i'm not even sure if i can find that anymore |
| 02:44.04 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: er, i imagine the basic principle of how it works isn't exactly a big secret? |
| 02:44.04 | Mr_Rabies | i got wow back in 2004 |
| 02:44.19 | mikma | i prolly jinx myself now by saying that i have never had any viruses on my comp =/ |
| 02:44.33 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: no, it's not. it's a publically available and well known algorithm--but my friend wouldn't tell me which one it is |
| 02:44.38 | Cloudwolf | mikma what are you linux? |
| 02:44.40 | Cloudwolf | pshh |
| 02:44.50 | A-KO | or, for that matter, even how they make sure the same code can't be used multiple times |
| 02:45.08 | mikma | cloudwolf: windows (3.1, 95, 98, NT, XP) |
| 02:45.10 | Mr_Rabies | i AM linux |
| 02:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | i was created by linus torvalds what up |
| 02:45.26 | Cloudwolf | lol i have all 3 wow games on my cd rack with the boxes huzzah for the one thing i actually try to keep organized |
| 02:45.29 | A-KO | I've had a couple, due to very stupid things that I knew exactly why I got them. |
| 02:45.46 | Mr_Rabies | the closest thing to a full fledged virus i've ever gotten was when i was young and stupid |
| 02:45.59 | Mr_Rabies | it was a macro "virus" that emptied my Diablo character's items |
| 02:46.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i once had a virus. i was in bed for like 3 days. it sucked |
| 02:46.09 | mikma | ouch |
| 02:46.09 | Mr_Rabies | i knew it was a virus, but figured symantec corporate would pick it up |
| 02:46.14 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 02:46.28 | A-KO | Embarassingly, I had one probably about 6 years ago that slipped by me. I should have been more diligent with some executables, I should have known something was up but I didn't really think about it, was probably too tired. Few weeks later found my net traffic spiking and saw it. |
| 02:46.32 | Mr_Rabies | now i've learned never to assume one tool will do the trick :p |
| 02:46.59 | Mr_Rabies | mikma: you'd be surprised, lots of viruses and malware today are pretty damned well hidden! |
| 02:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | does it count if i was screwing around with some viruses and accidentally infected my machine? >.> |
| 02:47.07 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: did that before |
| 02:47.13 | A-KO | I used to have a bunch of viruses in uncompiled form when I was like 13 :P |
| 02:47.17 | A-KO | all in .asm files |
| 02:47.28 | mikma | mr_rabies: amen, but i've not countered any (so far) |
| 02:47.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i was fucking around with that stuff back in high school |
| 02:47.30 | A-KO | I used tasm to compile them |
| 02:47.45 | Mr_Rabies | i see plenty of computers daily with no obvious infections |
| 02:48.03 | mikma | oh, but now with my new comp i actually have antivirus up and running, all the time |
| 02:48.10 | A-KO | I use MSE |
| 02:48.10 | mikma | its a new thing to me |
| 02:48.30 | A-KO | MSE, Windows 7 with UAC all the way up, DEP on all applications, chrome for browsing. |
| 02:48.32 | Mr_Rabies | but then you get into the root of the issue and see rootkits, stuff that is disguised as legitimate processes, mbr viruses, etc |
| 02:48.42 | A-KO | it's not perfect (what is?), but it does a reasonably good job of a vast majority of the threats out there |
| 02:48.44 | mikma | a-ko: i had those too =) |
| 02:48.47 | Cloudwolf | The first virus i remember getting on my computer was one that brought up pop ups when i wasnt even online. The pop up was an add saying Join the Fuck Fest 2002 sign up now for the best gang bang ever. with an animated picture of a chick being triple teamed.... |
| 02:48.49 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 02:48.54 | Mr_Rabies | i saw one computer that had an mbr virus that ONLY nod32 found |
| 02:49.03 | mikma | a-ko: i also got them as executables, zipped up |
| 02:49.04 | Mr_Rabies | among the dozens of tools we run |
| 02:49.17 | Corrodias | what is MSE in this context? |
| 02:49.23 | A-KO | the only mbr virus I ever had was one called uhm.....Stealth.Boot.B or some shit, back in like 1996/1997. The only way I knew it was there was because my base memory in does was 636K, not 640K |
| 02:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | microsoft security essentials? |
| 02:49.32 | A-KO | yes Mr_Rabies |
| 02:49.42 | Mr_Rabies | i like it |
| 02:50.00 | A-KO | dos* heh |
| 02:50.00 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 02:50.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's my new favorite AV to suggest to friends who are cheap |
| 02:50.03 | Mr_Rabies | i love me some nod32 personally though |
| 02:50.15 | mikma | we did infect our schoolmate with yankeedoodle =D |
| 02:50.20 | mikma | he appreciated |
| 02:50.24 | Mr_Rabies | i miss sub7 |
| 02:50.26 | Mr_Rabies | that was a fun one |
| 02:50.30 | A-KO | ahh sub7 |
| 02:50.31 | A-KO | good ole days |
| 02:50.37 | A-KO | winnuke was awesome, too |
| 02:50.44 | Cloudwolf | <= is too young to now wtf sub7 is |
| 02:50.45 | mikma | boom |
| 02:50.48 | Cloudwolf | or not knowledgeable enough |
| 02:50.52 | mikma | 95 down |
| 02:50.54 | Mr_Rabies | i used to use a lot of progs and stuff back in the early days of aol |
| 02:50.58 | A-KO | lol mikma |
| 02:51.00 | A-KO | haha Mr_Rabies |
| 02:51.01 | A-KO | punters |
| 02:51.04 | A-KO | those were the shit |
| 02:51.05 | Mr_Rabies | which later turned out to be loaded with viruses, good times |
| 02:51.11 | A-KO | PePSI Punter was ftw |
| 02:51.18 | Mr_Rabies | i can't even remember the ones i had |
| 02:51.19 | Cloudwolf | whatd that do? |
| 02:51.25 | A-KO | DDOS someone on AOL via IM |
| 02:51.28 | A-KO | well |
| 02:51.29 | A-KO | DOS really |
| 02:51.30 | A-KO | not ddos |
| 02:51.35 | mikma | some monkeys at our school decided its fun to nuke our 95's with winnuke |
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| 02:51.37 | A-KO | it's late, I'm tired, I might use terms incorrectly, my bad. |
| 02:51.43 | A-KO | haha mikma |
| 02:51.57 | mikma | so, i asked permission from teacher and patched all the pc's in the school |
| 02:51.59 | Cloudwolf | mikma wahts winnuke due or do i gota wiki it? |
| 02:52.04 | mikma | took me couple of hours |
| 02:52.11 | Cloudwolf | *do |
| 02:52.15 | Cloudwolf | god i can't spell right now |
| 02:52.23 | Mr_Rabies | Cloudwolf, all of these are old fashioned viruses that do things like change wallpaper, open cd trays, etc |
| 02:52.24 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: it would exploit a flaw in Windows' netbios that would cause blue screens of death |
| 02:52.25 | mikma | cloudwolf: it was a remote BSOD back in the days |
| 02:52.36 | Mr_Rabies | that too |
| 02:52.50 | Cloudwolf | sounds epicly annoying |
| 02:52.52 | Mr_Rabies | pretty harmless stuff compared to modern viruses |
| 02:52.59 | Mr_Rabies | nowadays they're out for money |
| 02:53.00 | mikma | winnuke ip.address.inter.net (enter) and boom |
| 02:53.01 | Cloudwolf | oh btw always make sure your effing heatsink is all the way on... |
| 02:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't do much good if it's not! |
| 02:53.15 | A-KO | Mr_Rabies: I would send friends of mine "installer files" for Quake/Quake 2 mods that would load sub7 onto their PCs |
| 02:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | kekeke |
| 02:53.33 | Mr_Rabies | god i haven't used that for years |
| 02:53.34 | A-KO | I was so evil :/ |
| 02:53.36 | Mr_Rabies | that's taken me back |
| 02:53.43 | A-KO | see it's easier now |
| 02:53.47 | A-KO | people would argue it's gotten harder to hack |
| 02:53.49 | A-KO | negative |
| 02:53.52 | A-KO | now people do this wonderful thing |
| 02:53.56 | A-KO | they broadcast their internet surfing over the AIR |
| 02:53.59 | A-KO | you don't even need to hack anything |
| 02:54.00 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:54.02 | mikma | internets? |
| 02:54.03 | A-KO | it's fucking WONDERFUL |
| 02:54.14 | mikma | people do internets |
| 02:54.19 | Mr_Rabies | i wish flash wasn't a giant bag of garbage :( |
| 02:54.32 | Wobin | wow winnuke |
| 02:54.42 | Wobin | I remember using that on people =P |
| 02:54.51 | A-KO | didn't winnuke used to have that little biohazard/duke nukem icon thing going on? |
| 02:54.55 | A-KO | yellow/black IIRC |
| 02:55.00 | A-KO | I could be wrong |
| 02:55.01 | A-KO | it's been god |
| 02:55.03 | mikma | wobin: i used it on people cheating in quake |
| 02:55.03 | A-KO | over a decade |
| 02:55.36 | A-KO | I'm still a huge nerd like I was then, too :P |
| 02:56.00 | Wobin | hehe the "What's your IP address so I can winnuke you!!11!" "127.0.0.1" |
| 02:56.07 | mikma | haha |
| 02:56.10 | A-KO | nah |
| 02:56.13 | A-KO | I used to use DIrect IM in AIM to get it |
| 02:56.19 | A-KO | Direct IM, netstat, BAM |
| 02:56.20 | A-KO | dead |
| 02:56.26 | mikma | oh that reminded me |
| 02:56.38 | mikma | diablo 2 fire potion -disconnect |
| 02:57.03 | A-KO | You know I think it's funny--that I'm old school enough to remember when AIM first came out...I actually had a really low ass ICQ number, too |
| 02:57.09 | A-KO | sigh, if only I could remember that |
| 02:57.23 | A-KO | it was in the 6 digit range |
| 02:58.01 | mikma | 17xxxx on me |
| 02:58.12 | mikma | still got it but cant remember it |
| 02:58.22 | Wobin | I had a 6 digit one |
| 02:58.27 | Wobin | can't remember the password for it though =( |
| 02:58.47 | mikma | i remember my passwd, but not the number =D |
| 02:59.16 | Stanzilla | bruteforce, go :D |
| 02:59.40 | Wobin | Just think how many combinations you'd have to try if you had a 7 or more digit ICQ number! |
| 02:59.40 | Torhal | A-KO: 6-digit, eh? I thought I was old for having a 7-digit one. |
| 03:00.04 | mikma | like, a million or more! |
| 03:00.05 | Cloudwolf | >.>... i feel realy stupid atm ICQ? |
| 03:00.17 | mikma | i seek you |
| 03:00.26 | A-KO | Torhal: eh, it was either 6 or 7 :P the one I used after I forgot the creds to the other one was 8 digits |
| 03:00.26 | mikma | mother of all chat softwares |
| 03:00.28 | A-KO | in the low range |
| 03:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | heh i still have an icq account, i don't do much on it other than get spammed by russians but i still have it for some reason |
| 03:00.53 | Cloudwolf | oh my god huge dajavu |
| 03:01.06 | Mr_Rabies | 9 digits |
| 03:01.08 | mikma | dohjavu |
| 03:01.33 | Wobin | dejavu =P |
| 03:01.33 | Mr_Rabies | i got one just as people stopped caring about it more or less |
| 03:05.19 | Cloudwolf | well nice talkin |
| 03:05.25 | Cloudwolf | i guess i'll tie my wow account in sometime soon |
| 03:05.37 | Cloudwolf | >.> i alreayd got a pet waiting for me on my battle.net account |
| 03:05.39 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 03:07.02 | Corrodias | "After Microsoft publicly announced Morro on November 19, 2008, Symantec and McAfee shares fell 9.44 and 6.62 percent respectively. Microsoft shares also fell 6 percent." |
| 03:07.10 | Corrodias | lol. |
| 03:07.24 | A-KO | MSE is fucking win IMO, and it does nothing to the big guys |
| 03:07.34 | A-KO | it's like saying AVG Free hurts Symatnec and Mcafee, it doesn't |
| 03:07.42 | Corrodias | it doesn't? |
| 03:07.51 | A-KO | Comcast gives McAfee to all its customers, Symantec/Norton comes preinstalled with many OEMs |
| 03:07.58 | Corrodias | still, they're paid for it |
| 03:08.19 | A-KO | yes, that's correct--it is paid for, but what I'm saying is that having free alternatives, even MSE, does not hurt those sales |
| 03:08.42 | Corrodias | good point |
| 03:08.47 | A-KO | besides, Symantec's Endpoint products and the new Norton AV 2010 are pretty damn solid, have a lot of great features, and do things that the built-in software doesn't do |
| 03:09.21 | A-KO | for example, SEP can help prevent arp spoofing :P |
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| 03:11.07 | Corrodias | um, what is it? software, still? |
| 03:12.13 | A-KO | yeah? |
| 03:12.32 | Corrodias | you're not sure? |
| 03:12.35 | mikma | oh snap |
| 03:12.39 | mikma | i found myself! |
| 03:12.48 | Corrodias | or what's the '?' for? |
| 03:12.48 | A-KO | why wouldn't it be software? |
| 03:12.54 | mikma | http://www.icq.com/people/about_me.php?uin=7018512 |
| 03:12.55 | A-KO | it's wondering why you would even ask that |
| 03:12.58 | A-KO | lol mikma |
| 03:13.14 | mikma | also i failed, i have a huuuuge number |
| 03:13.15 | Corrodias | i don't know, you said it does things that the built-in software doesn't, and it says "endpoint", and i have no idea what products are available now. |
| 03:13.36 | A-KO | oh, I was implying MSE/Windows Firewall |
| 03:13.39 | A-KO | Defender, etc. |
| 03:13.53 | A-KO | all of which are still pretty damn good |
| 03:14.08 | A-KO | Windows Firewall, for example, can be locked down to use IPSec Authentication on hosts |
| 03:16.32 | A-KO | has had to review like 6 different security setups for a deployment at work.... |
| 03:16.33 | A-KO | so |
| 03:16.37 | A-KO | I've learned quite a bit |
| 03:16.41 | Corrodias | cool |
| 03:17.02 | Corrodias | to someone who hasn't been following how security programs have progressed, only getting 30% or 40% of keyloggers doesn't sound very good |
| 03:17.55 | A-KO | Corrodias: yeah, but also looking at the social engineered malware (CLICK HERE TO INSTALL THIS!), phishing sites, etc, IE8 ranks the highest :P |
| 03:17.56 | A-KO | by far... |
| 03:19.00 | A-KO | so combine that with an auto updated AV/AS ; and most people should be significantly more protected than they were this time even 3 years ago |
| 03:19.28 | Corrodias | true |
| 03:19.41 | Corrodias | if they've got a legit windows. i should have one in a few years. |
| 03:20.12 | A-KO | eh |
| 03:20.17 | A-KO | goes for pretty cheap on somewhere like newegg |
| 03:20.37 | A-KO | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116677 |
| 03:20.44 | A-KO | $110 for home premium and free windows 7 when it releases |
| 03:21.01 | Corrodias | sure. |
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| 03:21.47 | A-KO | think of it this way. Windows OS, $110, for about 3-4 years, if not longer, of usage. Something you'll use every day, probably multiple hours per dya. |
| 03:21.52 | A-KO | then look at the price of a video game |
| 03:22.07 | A-KO | 8-10 hours of gameplay for most, that are over 50% of the cost of the Windows OS |
| 03:22.10 | tekkub | $110 for windows? |
| 03:22.21 | tekkub | can I have some of that stuff you're smoking |
| 03:22.28 | A-KO | uh |
| 03:22.29 | A-KO | I just linked it |
| 03:22.57 | Corrodias | are you trying to convince me to buy windows? as i said, i intend to have a legit copy. |
| 03:23.09 | Corrodias | i'm sold already. |
| 03:23.13 | tekkub | there is only one usable version of windows :P |
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| 03:46.43 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, from gruber.. "Microsoft: The bad news is our Danger Sidekick server lost all of your data. The good news is... hey, look over there!" |
| 03:50.16 | Raws | Oh gruber, you pit of infinite wit |
| 03:50.49 | A-KO | GOD DAMNIT |
| 03:50.51 | A-KO | I NEED A FUCKING WII NOW |
| 03:50.56 | A-KO | /caps |
| 03:51.02 | NightHawkTheSane | dare i ask? |
| 03:51.10 | A-KO | the new super mario brothers game |
| 03:51.11 | A-KO | finally |
| 03:51.15 | A-KO | a WORTHY SUCCESSOR TO THE MARIO FRANCHISE |
| 03:51.33 | NightHawkTheSane | o'rly? |
| 03:52.03 | A-KO | yes |
| 03:52.03 | A-KO | it's a REAL platformer Mario |
| 03:52.07 | A-KO | it looks like it goes back to the SMB3 days |
| 03:52.10 | A-KO | lots of different suits, etc. |
| 03:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, snap |
| 03:52.25 | A-KO | it's also multiplayer |
| 03:52.30 | A-KO | at the same time |
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| 03:54.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i may have to pick it up |
| 03:54.21 | A-KO | damnit |
| 03:54.24 | A-KO | I have to get a wii now |
| 03:54.26 | A-KO | for this game alone |
| 03:54.27 | A-KO | :( |
| 04:05.44 | batrick | This post is funny: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20431794298&sid=1#1 |
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| 05:09.24 | Thunder_Child | batrick, i blame myself for actually clicking that link. nonetheless i hate you. |
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| 05:10.53 | DWSR | god, the installer music sucks. |
| 05:11.37 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/35567/undeciphered-scroll-deprecated/ |
| 05:11.38 | Adys | thats fun |
| 05:11.53 | Thunder_Child | personally i have issues with any installer that will not minimize, shut up, or otherwise inconveninces |
| 05:12.06 | Thunder_Child | inconveniences* |
| 05:12.09 | DWSR | T_C: The installer for WoW is alright. |
| 05:12.15 | DWSR | I just wish it minimized to systray. |
| 05:15.25 | Thunder_Child | lol http://www.imdb.com/keyword/kicked-in-the-crotch/?title_type=feature |
| 05:19.05 | smcn | anyone know if there's a trick to specifying a target for DoEmote or is it just not properly implemented? |
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| 05:23.30 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i want to watch B13:U but i hate subtitles |
| 05:36.12 | DWSR | T_C: link? |
| 05:40.04 | Arrowmaster | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1247640/ ? |
| 05:42.28 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 05:42.31 | Antiarc | So uh |
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| 05:42.45 | Thunder_Child | what Arrowmaster linked DWSR |
| 05:42.46 | Antiarc | BadBoy reported one of my friends as a gold spammer because he was talking about gdkp in trade |
| 05:42.53 | Antiarc | Now I have him on perma-ignore and can't undo it. |
| 05:42.55 | Antiarc | Help? |
| 05:43.03 | Arrowmaster | relog? |
| 05:43.10 | Antiarc | Oh, that does it? |
| 05:43.16 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 05:43.36 | Thunder_Child | you can see the list of people in badboy...cant you remove them from that? |
| 05:44.16 | Antiarc | Yay, relog worked |
| 05:45.20 | Thunder_Child | people need to think before they tag things. "The brave little toaster" is not a spoof movie |
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| 06:00.22 | DWSR | the ops in ##windows blow. |
| 06:04.48 | Adys | you said that |
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| 06:25.39 | Ycarene | lua> print ("this is a t$e`$st"):match("%$(..)%$"); |
| 06:25.44 | lua_bot | Ycarene: this is a t$e`$st, luabot:1: attempt to index a nil value |
| 06:26.08 | Ycarene | lua> ("this is a t$e`$st"):match("%$(..)%$"); |
| 06:26.09 | lua_bot | Ycarene: e` |
| 06:27.10 | Ycarene | lua> ("this is a t$e`$st"):match("%$(.+)%$"); |
| 06:27.11 | lua_bot | Ycarene: e` |
| 06:27.18 | Ycarene | lua> ("this is a t$e`rstr$st"):match("%$(.+)%$"); |
| 06:27.19 | lua_bot | Ycarene: e`rstr |
| 06:27.53 | Taroven | Question. |
| 06:28.07 | Ycarene | Sorry about that. |
| 06:28.12 | Taroven | Is there a way to check an aura's spellid via UnitAura()? |
| 06:28.30 | Taroven | Or at least something similar that doesn't involve CLEU? |
| 06:30.51 | Taroven | Actually, more accurately, is there a way to identify a buff/debuff via spellID exclusively, ignoring an aura of the same name but different spellID? |
| 06:32.54 | Taroven | Nevermind, I can just do this by texture. |
| 06:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | re |
| 06:41.46 | ScytheBlade1 | mt |
| 06:47.46 | Thunder_Child | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:47.48 | purl | ScytheBlade1, you Fail! |
| 06:52.38 | NeoTron | oh loot drama :P |
| 06:53.34 | Antiarc | holy dear god :O |
| 06:53.54 | Antiarc | PowerAuras is raping my CPU with a rusty chainsaw |
| 06:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | really? |
| 06:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | (And do I sense a SexyAuras incoming?) |
| 06:54.58 | Antiarc | Yeah, and it wasn't even doing anything |
| 06:54.58 | Antiarc | With those numbers, just maybe. |
| 06:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 06:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be kinda win I'm betting |
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| 06:57.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ping me if it happens :) |
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| 06:57.45 | Antiarc | You'll see the 600 commit rush, I'm sure |
| 06:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 07:02.53 | Adys | Itemization for mage specs |
| 07:02.58 | Adys | Arcane: Stack haste |
| 07:03.03 | Adys | Fire: Stack crit |
| 07:03.05 | Adys | Frost: Stack excuses |
| 07:03.12 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 07:05.49 | Ycarene | lua> a=("$ab$$drfp$"):match("%b$$(.*)"):match("%$(.*)%$"); print (a); print string.len(a); |
| 07:05.49 | lua_bot | Ycarene: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'string' |
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| 07:06.43 | Diskmaster | pokes Antiarc |
| 07:08.40 | Diskmaster | Anyone have any idea why LibBetterBlizzOptions is broken in CurseClient? (It's failing to download it.) |
| 07:10.48 | Coren{de} | lua> string.find("Fo", "[FY][oe]é?"); string.find("Yeé", "[FY][oe]é?"); |
| 07:10.48 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: No output |
| 07:11.11 | Thunder_Child | Diskmaster, which client? |
| 07:11.22 | Diskmaster | CurseClient-3.0.0.7 |
| 07:11.28 | Diskmaster | Also, there's no curse page equivalent for the Lib |
| 07:11.35 | Coren{de} | lua> string.find("Fo", "[FY][oe][é]?"); string.find("Yeé", "[FY][oe][é]?"); |
| 07:11.36 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: No output |
| 07:11.53 | Thunder_Child | Diskmaster, .9 seems to be the newest btw |
| 07:12.15 | Antiarc | Diskmaster: hm? |
| 07:12.16 | Diskmaster | blames wine |
| 07:12.21 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 07:12.21 | Antiarc | Oh, hm. No idea. |
| 07:13.00 | Thunder_Child | interesting, that lib isnt showing up in the beta client |
| 07:13.15 | Thunder_Child | looks like it isnt hosted anymore |
| 07:13.23 | Thunder_Child | Diskmaster, there is no curse page for it |
| 07:13.27 | Diskmaster | It's not showing up in the list on mine either, even though I have it installed (because I'm crazy and use seperate libs.) |
| 07:13.40 | Diskmaster | s/list/addons list/ |
| 07:14.50 | Thunder_Child | there is http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/better-blizz-options.aspx but no distinct lib |
| 07:15.24 | Coren{de} | lua> string.find("Fo", "[FY][oe]\195?\169?"); string.find("Yeé", "[FY][oe]\195?\169?"); |
| 07:15.24 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: No output |
| 07:15.31 | Thunder_Child | Diskmaster, looks like you will have to find it somewhere else |
| 07:15.37 | Coren{de} | accented letters + pattern matching sux |
| 07:15.47 | Antiarc | It's...not hosted? |
| 07:15.48 | Thunder_Child | Diskmaster, http://www.wowace.com/addons/libbetterblizzoptions-1-0/ |
| 07:15.55 | Diskmaster | Like ... was just going to paste that |
| 07:15.56 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc, not on the curse site proper |
| 07:17.13 | Diskmaster | manually updates |
| 07:18.09 | Diskmaster | Ah, there we go, thanks |
| 07:35.11 | tem | Antiarc, why IS BetterBlizzOptions a library instead of a seperate addon? |
| 07:35.21 | Wobin | heheh "Breaking news: Earth successfully shoots the moon, defeats rest of solar system in game of Space Hearts." |
| 07:35.53 | Adys | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Anodorhynchus_hyacinthinus_-Vancouver_Aquarium_-two-8a-3c.jpg |
| 07:35.57 | NeoTron | tem: so it can be embedded by addons |
| 07:36.17 | Adys | theres a cuteness threshold people should try not to break |
| 07:36.27 | Antiarc | tem: Because I have a number of configs that the Blizzard config just doesn't cut it for |
| 07:36.40 | Antiarc | So I bundle it with the addon so that the config becomes manageme |
| 07:36.44 | Antiarc | manageable |
| 07:36.47 | tem | why should an addon embed something that is really a graphical change that the user should decide to make |
| 07:36.53 | tem | hmm |
| 07:36.54 | nevcairiel | create standaloen config frames, ffs :P |
| 07:36.57 | tem | that's a failure of the config imo |
| 07:37.00 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.20 | tem | if you can't fit your config into the blizz framework, come up with a different way to do your config imo |
| 07:37.22 | Adys | consistency is good |
| 07:37.23 | nevcairiel | if you can't create simple options that fit in the blizzard thing, then make your own frame |
| 07:37.26 | Antiarc | Blizzard's default config window is waaaay too slim |
| 07:37.38 | NeoTron | it was weird to play with a truly new character |
| 07:37.42 | [Ammo] | Antiarc: not really, ust use it intelligently :) |
| 07:37.45 | NeoTron | was the tank too. deadmines |
| 07:37.57 | Adys | nevcairiel: popup dialogues are usually enough |
| 07:38.00 | NeoTron | so he didn't get the concept of pulling back and instead "I'll just run in, I have lots of armor) |
| 07:38.00 | Adys | dialogs even |
| 07:38.08 | nevcairiel | heck even the big bigwigs options fit in the blizzard thing |
| 07:38.21 | nevcairiel | you just have to care enough to make them fit 0P |
| 07:38.33 | [Ammo] | and slap nevcairiel to fix all margin issues etc etc :p |
| 07:38.43 | nevcairiel | those don't matter a bit |
| 07:38.47 | nevcairiel | only to the pixelmonkey |
| 07:38.49 | [Ammo] | hahaha |
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| 07:47.45 | Wobin | my god |
| 07:47.48 | Wobin | ... so... complex |
| 07:47.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHB9NyxXxt8&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:49.57 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZZc05ylUCc&fmt=22 |
| 07:49.58 | Antiarc | \o/ |
| 07:51.13 | Wobin | Antiarc, you just did that to watch the icons swish to the end really fast at low countdowns =P |
| 07:51.38 | Antiarc | I did it because Forte is heavy as hell and CoolLine annoys me |
| 07:51.39 | Wobin | And you need a voiceover! |
| 07:51.52 | Wobin | EventHorizon? |
| 07:51.59 | Wobin | I guess it's not quite the same |
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| 07:55.10 | DWSR | Antiarc: That looks good. I'll check it out when i get back to my wow machine. |
| 07:55.50 | DWSR | Anyone know a relatively cheap shell provider? |
| 07:56.16 | NeoTron | Antiarc: did you figure out the animation zooming then? |
| 07:56.46 | Antiarc | Not formally, but it just "went away" |
| 07:57.04 | Codayus_ | DWSR: Depending on what you need, csoft.net is good. |
| 07:57.17 | DWSR | Codayus_: Basically a place to run an eggy and a bnc. |
| 07:58.42 | Codayus_ | Oh, hm. They're good if you want to run irssi inside screen. Unsure about bnc. *shrug* |
| 07:58.59 | Antiarc | http://i33.tinypic.com/2j1ml3k.jpg |
| 07:58.59 | Antiarc | \o/ |
| 07:59.30 | DWSR | Codayus_: Since it's essentially the same thing, I can't see them caring too much |
| 08:00.07 | DWSR | Antiarc: That's nice. :) |
| 08:01.14 | Codayus_ | DWSR: They're a "real" host (and very geek/OSS/*nix friendly). Not the cheapest if your just looking for an irc shell, but in my experience a lot more likely to not suck, have massive downtown, or be annoying to deal with. |
| 08:01.42 | DWSR | Codayus_: That's the cheapest I've seen just a shell though. |
| 08:01.48 | DWSR | And holy f*** you get a ton for it. |
| 08:02.57 | Codayus_ | Do note the line about eggdrops and proxy servers here: http://csoft.net/docs/usersoft.html.en |
| 08:03.45 | DWSR | yeah, i noticed. |
| 08:03.51 | DWSR | I'm not sure if a BNC counts as a proxy. |
| 08:04.00 | DWSR | Since it's technically not forwarding my traffic. |
| 08:04.12 | DWSR | Well, it is and it isn't. |
| 08:04.18 | DWSR | I figure I'll ask, so :) |
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| 08:13.39 | Fisker | cuts up Wobin |
| 08:14.41 | Fisker | ~seen Jerub |
| 08:14.42 | purl | jerub is currently on #wowuidev (6d 5h 33m 2s). Has said a total of 598 messages. Is idling for 9h 11m 55s, last said: 'i mean, if I have a requirement for 2 red 1 blue, does it count for 1 red and 1 blue, or just one of them?'. |
| 08:14.42 | Fisker | ~seen Gnarfoz |
| 08:14.43 | purl | gnarfoz is currently on #debian (3d 18h 57m 22s) #wowhead (3d 18h 57m 22s) #norganna (3d 18h 57m 22s) #wowuidev (3d 18h 57m 22s) #wowace (3d 18h 57m 22s) #curseforge (3d 18h 57m 22s) #wowwiki (3d 18h 57m 22s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 2d 1h 45m 36s, last said: 'http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/241/test-hey-mister-wilson/ < ;D'. |
| 08:14.45 | Fisker | ~seen bleeter |
| 08:14.46 | purl | bleeter is currently on #norganna #wowuidev. Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 6h 2m 28s, last said: 'yeah well I'd decline being regarded as equal to Hitler, Kissenger, etc.'. |
| 08:14.54 | Fisker | you bleeter |
| 08:14.56 | Fisker | you |
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| 08:20.19 | Ycarene | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14866-ComposeKey.html |
| 08:21.26 | bleeter | Fisker: no u |
| 08:21.29 | Fisker | herro |
| 08:21.34 | Fisker | i'm bored :( |
| 08:21.46 | bleeter | then get me a coffee |
| 08:21.52 | Fisker | naw |
| 08:25.03 | Fisker | found anything interesting on google wave yet? |
| 08:26.21 | bleeter | you mean, apart from deciding it's largely just gobby on steroids? nope |
| 08:27.29 | Fisker | decides to kiss bleeter |
| 08:27.34 | bleeter | weirdo |
| 08:27.46 | Fisker | :o |
| 08:27.49 | Fisker | no u |
| 08:27.57 | bleeter | you seen anything interesting on google wave? |
| 08:28.28 | Fisker | nope |
| 08:28.32 | Fisker | i'm so ronery |
| 08:28.40 | Wobin | Ycarene, nice! |
| 08:28.53 | Wobin | is there a list of characters and corresponding codes? |
| 08:29.29 | Wobin | damnit bleeter, I want a google wave invite =P |
| 08:30.03 | Ycarene | Wobin its in the UnicodeTable.lua |
| 08:35.54 | Adys | Whats the name for the grammatical structure "X is Y. Y is Z so X is Z"? |
| 08:44.49 | nevcairiel | I know the german word for it =P |
| 08:45.38 | nevcairiel | transitive? seems like a straight forward translation |
| 08:45.58 | nevcairiel | wikipedia agrees |
| 08:46.13 | nevcairiel | Adys: ^ |
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| 08:49.11 | Adys | syllogism was the word i was looking for nevcairiel |
| 08:49.40 | nevcairiel | well at least the relation between those 3 is transitive =P |
| 08:50.17 | nevcairiel | I wonder what syllogism translates to.. |
| 08:50.34 | nevcairiel | now that didnt help much |
| 08:55.02 | nevcairiel | I was more thinking about grammar in a computery way, i guess. not real grammar :P |
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| 08:55.58 | Wobin | I think Adys was after the generic definition of the structure, not the specific logical construction |
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| 09:08.34 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/10/funny-pictures-of-your-opinion/ |
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| 09:14.15 | bleeter | Wobin: wouldn't know where to find them TO give away hehe |
| 09:14.28 | bleeter | Fisker: a bunch of us are using it to discuss why we're not using it |
| 09:14.52 | bleeter | Fisker: re google wave |
| 09:15.00 | bleeter | Fisker: best comment so far 'Hey, that ICQ "let the other person see what you're typing" thing was uncool in the 90s too..' |
| 09:15.12 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 09:17.00 | Adys | [12:14:55] <bleeter> Fisker: best comment so far 'Hey, that ICQ "let the other person see what you're typing" thing was uncool in the 90s too..' |
| 09:17.17 | Adys | i think its a really useful feature when discussing code |
| 09:18.27 | bleeter | Adys: 19:26 < bleeter> you mean, apart from deciding it's largely just gobby on steroids? nope |
| 09:19.04 | Adys | bleeter: you actually on wave? |
| 09:19.35 | bleeter | no, virtually |
| 09:19.50 | Adys | um |
| 09:19.53 | Adys | since when |
| 09:20.14 | bleeter | adys@googlewave.com does not have an account... |
| 09:20.50 | bleeter | day or so ago |
| 09:21.01 | Adys | they dont allow 4-char usernames either way :P |
| 09:21.23 | bleeter | I checked the two I have for your gtalk, they didn't work :P |
| 09:21.35 | bleeter | the prefixes |
| 09:21.47 | Arrowmaster | i still dont have an invite |
| 09:21.51 | Wobin | nor I |
| 09:22.02 | Wobin | I want to get on Wave so I can complain about how terrible Wave is |
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| 09:22.17 | Wobin | I feel like I'm missing out on prime Interweb complaining |
| 09:22.20 | bleeter | one of my mates has been on it since dev preview foo some time ago |
| 09:22.22 | Adys | theres gonna be a bunch of invites in oct/nov |
| 09:22.26 | bleeter | he's kinda 'ho hum' ' |
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| 09:22.51 | Wobin | I kinda feel there's a tiny tiny subset of situations where the whole Wave concept will work |
| 09:23.13 | Adys | every single day on IM |
| 09:23.22 | Adys | Im reminded how much IM sucks and wave doesnt |
| 09:24.51 | Adys | a couple of days ago I was trying to get started on some c++ text parser with a friend who doesn't know c++ too well |
| 09:24.51 | bleeter | XMPP's pretty nifty |
| 09:25.12 | Adys | I can tell you in these situations you really *need* cbc typing |
| 09:25.36 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 09:26.28 | Shadowed | Adys: pong |
| 09:26.37 | bleeter | I'm not saying it's bad, per se. Just... ho hum. Been using this sort of stuff for a while. |
| 09:28.07 | bleeter | nice that we're now at a point talking bout standards n services, rather than basic specs etc. |
| 09:29.47 | Wobin | Who needs love, when your sandwiches are wicked and they know you at the Mac store? |
| 09:30.25 | bleeter | I was always fond of that effort in pidgin of the collaborative music messaging composing thing |
| 09:31.51 | bleeter | I mean, once you've used a collaborative whiteboard to draw a penis, collaboration stuff's quite all ho-hum. the music composition... that was neat! |
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| 09:35.50 | zenzelezz | Adys: "cbc typing"? |
| 09:38.01 | Adys | char by char |
| 09:38.38 | bleeter | lol i thought you were talking cipher block chain and i was all wtf? so didn't say anything at all ahhaha |
| 09:39.33 | zenzelezz | oh, like the old "live chat" mode in ICQ? |
| 09:39.54 | zenzelezz | I can definitely see how that would come in handy for such things |
| 09:40.59 | End | hm, there's a guild on my server with 3 realm first blood elf paladins |
| 09:41.11 | End | and that's a random fact of the day that noone cares about |
| 09:41.16 | End | sleeps now. |
| 09:41.22 | bleeter | gnight End |
| 09:41.26 | Wobin | oh man |
| 09:41.29 | End | night |
| 09:41.29 | Wobin | I totally remember that now |
| 09:41.39 | Wobin | with the -stupid- typing noise |
| 09:41.52 | Wobin | god that was annoying =P |
| 09:42.00 | bleeter | no u :P |
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| 09:42.53 | zenzelezz | Wobin: Ctrl-G |
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| 09:43.31 | Wobin | poor repo |
| 09:44.20 | zenzelezz | he just has a lot on his mind |
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| 09:47.03 | Wobin | quite a lot, it seems |
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| 09:59.39 | bleeter | I love it when corporate bots keep doing that |
| 09:59.43 | bleeter | brilliant advertising :) |
| 10:00.16 | zenzelezz | I think it needs a better ident |
| 10:00.20 | zenzelezz | I keep reading it as "spybot" |
| 10:01.06 | bleeter | sukybot |
| 10:03.55 | Arrowmaster | supybot has horrible fucking flood control |
| 10:04.13 | Arrowmaster | google for 'supybot excess flood' and you get nothing but irc logs |
| 10:04.46 | zenzelezz | ah, so it's not something they wrote themselves? |
| 10:04.56 | Arrowmaster | no its some python irc bot |
| 10:05.05 | Adys | Arrowmaster: google for excess flood and you get nothing but irc logs |
| 10:05.05 | Adys | :P |
| 10:05.46 | bleeter | it is in python, bsd license. they could try and 'fix' it |
| 10:06.04 | bleeter | the authors probably claim it's up to the users to tune to the network |
| 10:06.07 | Arrowmaster | they dont have the resources to fix their own problems |
| 10:06.28 | zenzelezz | such as? |
| 10:06.56 | Arrowmaster | such as the repos being down for a day yesterday? |
| 10:07.10 | zenzelezz | it was an honest question, I don't frequent Curse |
| 10:07.15 | Grum | use git! they you dont even notice! mhwhahaha |
| 10:08.40 | zenzelezz | I had enough of gits in high school |
| 10:09.09 | Arrowmaster | and the packager is even down right now |
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| 10:22.47 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: check the other channel we are both in on freenode for some laughs |
| 10:23.38 | Arrowmaster | starting like 6 hours ago |
| 10:27.32 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: this? win! 15:53 < Retrograde> Fine then, you all can go f*ck your goddamn mothers. Worthless motherf*ckers. |
| 10:28.46 | Arrowmaster | multiple drive by join, ask question, wait a short amount of time, bitch excessively, leaves throughout the night |
| 10:29.52 | Arrowmaster | stupidity of people is still unbelievable at times but it doesnt surprise me |
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| 10:53.39 | Grum | many people are just too stupid to understand how irc works :) |
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| 11:19.26 | laeg | for totch hc should melee ever be on the adds or just nuke black knight? |
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| 11:46.34 | Ycarene | What version of LUA is wow based on, 5.0 or 5.1? |
| 11:47.11 | nevcairiel | 5.1 |
| 11:47.43 | Ycarene | Does it accept hexidecimal values in the form of 0xFF? |
| 11:48.27 | nevcairiel | lua> a = 0xFF; print(a) |
| 11:48.27 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 255 |
| 11:48.37 | nevcairiel | happy? ^ |
| 11:48.57 | Ycarene | yep, thanks |
| 11:49.18 | Ycarene | lua> tonumber ("FFFF", 16); |
| 11:49.18 | lua_bot | Ycarene: 65535 |
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| 11:55.06 | Fisker | haste |
| 11:55.26 | Kalroth | lua> tonumber ("0BADBEEF", 16); |
| 11:55.26 | lua_bot | Kalroth: 195935983 |
| 11:57.56 | haste | Fisker |
| 11:58.48 | foxlit | BADCOFFEE, clearly. |
| 12:01.04 | Wobin | Antiarc, what unitframes do you use? |
| 12:01.30 | Fisker | you guys are craaaaazy |
| 12:01.43 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4754156439&sid=1#5 |
| 12:01.50 | Fisker | After 4 years of playing WOW, i have about 21 cases ive reported Blizzard to Forbrukerrådet. |
| 12:01.52 | Fisker | lololol |
| 12:02.49 | foxlit | "All my complaints is from not getting through to the Support Office. " |
| 12:04.29 | Fisker | ye? |
| 12:04.40 | zenzelezz | it appears the EU Armory is being troublesome... "The requested resource (/) is not available." |
| 12:04.53 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 12:04.54 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 12:05.13 | zenzelezz | busy, sorry |
| 12:06.43 | Fisker | kk |
| 12:10.19 | haste | Fisker: it's a valid claim tho' :P |
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| 12:14.30 | kakkapylly | Hey peeps, what are these addons? http://i35.tinypic.com/2i74e9v.jpg |
| 12:15.26 | Fisker | probably custom up the wazoo |
| 12:15.35 | foxlit | Where the heck is that screenshot? |
| 12:15.47 | kakkapylly | wazoo? |
| 12:15.55 | kakkapylly | its in curse.com XD |
| 12:16.07 | foxlit | Not the URL, the game location |
| 12:16.18 | kakkapylly | idk.. |
| 12:16.26 | kakkapylly | what is wazoo |
| 12:16.56 | foxlit | glares at Fisker. You sort it out. |
| 12:17.15 | kakkapylly | :) |
| 12:18.15 | Fisker | as if foxlit |
| 12:19.15 | kakkapylly | but mostly im afer that upper bar, its cool.. and the new icons |
| 12:19.27 | kakkapylly | if anyone knows i'd like to know :D |
| 12:19.55 | BWMerlin | oh god its that crazy arse asian ui again |
| 12:20.07 | kakkapylly | lol |
| 12:20.12 | kakkapylly | you seen that before? |
| 12:20.18 | kakkapylly | XD |
| 12:20.48 | foxlit | 54fps, though |
| 12:21.27 | BWMerlin | kakkapylly: yeah ill find you the link |
| 12:21.42 | kakkapylly | Great! :) |
| 12:22.54 | BWMerlin | http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=266138&postcount=691 |
| 12:23.15 | BWMerlin | 54fps is ok but i wonder what it drops to in combat |
| 12:23.36 | kakkapylly | there is no answer to that |
| 12:23.41 | kakkapylly | look the link |
| 12:24.10 | BWMerlin | if you read after that post you will find some of the addons etc they are using |
| 12:25.16 | kakkapylly | ok thanks |
| 12:25.30 | Fisker | as i said it's custom up the wazoo |
| 12:25.45 | Fisker | unless you find the guy who made it, or do it yourself, you're unlikely to find what you want |
| 12:25.58 | kakkapylly | i know the guys user name in curse |
| 12:26.15 | kakkapylly | but that is one cool interface |
| 12:26.25 | BWMerlin | well stalk him for an anwser |
| 12:26.53 | Fisker | stalks BWMerlin |
| 12:27.08 | BWMerlin | >.< wrong person Fisker |
| 12:27.19 | BWMerlin | dam stalkers can't even stalk the right people these days |
| 12:27.25 | BWMerlin | what is the web coming to |
| 12:27.44 | foxlit | Does Fisker look like a fisker who cares? :) |
| 12:28.44 | Fisker | why are you the wrong person BWMerlin? |
| 12:29.31 | BWMerlin | *Jedi mind trick* this is not the BWMerlin you are looking for |
| 12:30.59 | Fisker | farts right through that jedi mind trick |
| 12:31.17 | zenzelezz | someone go kick WoW-Europe's tomcat please |
| 12:31.57 | BWMerlin | uses the force to plug Fisker up |
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| 12:39.00 | kakkapylly | But hows that china guy got borders on those launchers? |
| 12:39.05 | kakkapylly | i only got black backdrop |
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| 12:53.49 | mikma | vai että kakkapylly |
| 12:54.34 | kakkapylly | haha |
| 12:54.41 | kakkapylly | XD |
| 12:56.31 | A-KO | interfaces like that is why people have WoW performance problems then go to blizzard's tech forums crying when their wow performance sucks |
| 12:57.26 | foxlit | A-KO: but the borker FPS panel says 47-57 fps! |
| 12:57.36 | A-KO | lol |
| 12:58.15 | A-KO | well, I believe maybe someone with a top end computer might be able to squeeze that, but it's misleading to end users of something like that. People who play on the Intel GMA graphics, etc. |
| 12:58.50 | foxlit | People who plan on their celerons are the more likely casualty :) |
| 12:58.57 | foxlit | -n + y |
| 12:59.14 | A-KO | lol, people do it |
| 12:59.26 | A-KO | though fwiw, Dalaran does suck balls. It is good that Blizzard is splitting the cities in Cataclysm. |
| 12:59.36 | A-KO | they should have done that with Northrend following the shit that was Shattrath |
| 12:59.41 | kakkapylly | ehh i got intel gma XD |
| 12:59.55 | kakkapylly | gma 950 XD |
| 13:00.23 | A-KO | kakkapylly: As soon as you get into combat a combination of addons like thati s going to destroy your video performance |
| 13:00.43 | kakkapylly | should i then just use default ui? |
| 13:01.58 | foxlit | There's no simple answer. |
| 13:02.11 | foxlit | You really should just test it and see if the performance is reasonable. |
| 13:02.33 | kakkapylly | i got laptop, 1280x800 resolution and my fps is 20-30 without addons in SW/IF and old continent and loweer in northrend etc. i tried to dl addon packages UIs that are minimal but they dont work on my screen... |
| 13:05.19 | kakkapylly | well ofc i can try to make mnimal ui myself |
| 13:05.45 | kakkapylly | minimal* |
| 13:13.13 | foxlit | "Count to 1,000!" " 513 posts" Last post: 464 |
| 13:13.18 | foxlit | You're doing it wrong. :/ |
| 13:15.31 | ZorbaBeta | wtf? why do they have a Gears of War marine in the bottom-left? |
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| 13:25.49 | A-KO | no idea ZorbaBeta |
| 13:25.50 | A-KO | lol |
| 13:26.54 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta, cause they really like him? |
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| 13:27.17 | Wobin | trying to figure out who's the one on the right |
| 13:27.29 | kakkapylly | Ok, what is this box around action bar http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw31662.jpg |
| 13:27.42 | kakkapylly | thats at least minimal |
| 13:32.41 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:39.00 | Aelobin | slaps trout around a bit with a large Fisker |
| 13:39.23 | ZorbaBeta | does anyone else regularly get the ice-skating flying mount visual bug? |
| 13:41.12 | A-KO | nope |
| 13:41.47 | Wobin | Sometimes |
| 13:41.51 | Wobin | not regularly |
| 13:42.07 | A-KO | fucking iphone battery |
| 13:42.27 | A-KO | I dunno what apple did, but I'm pretty sure iphone OS 3.x drains the battery a lot more than 2.x did--though I would imagine it has something to do with the age of the battery now, too |
| 13:42.49 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.03 | A-KO | yeah I know Wobin but we're talking it goes from full charge to 0 charge in < 24 hours |
| 13:43.06 | A-KO | without even touching it |
| 13:43.12 | A-KO | it's ridiculous |
| 13:43.14 | Wobin | that's pretty terrible |
| 13:43.17 | A-KO | yeah |
| 13:43.27 | Wobin | doesn't happen for me, and I'm running 3.0.1 |
| 13:43.54 | A-KO | well, it's a big enough issue that people have noted it on the forums, and apple gave some of them some battery application that tests performance and reports it back to Apple |
| 13:44.12 | A-KO | it could be the parts used, etc. It also could be the carrying case I use, etc. |
| 13:44.29 | A-KO | I use a rubber case, which insulates and keeps the heat generated from the phone in, which could be causing problems, etc. |
| 13:45.00 | Wobin | I have a DLO rubber case also |
| 13:45.03 | A-KO | I"m on 3.1.2 now, started noticing the problems with 3.0 though |
| 13:45.40 | A-KO | yeah not long after 3.0 came out I even did a factory reset of the phone to try and alleviate the problem, figured fresh start, etc... |
| 13:45.41 | A-KO | nope |
| 13:48.31 | foxlit | Annoying: casting hurricane while in tree form knocks you out of tree form and cancels hurricane |
| 13:49.27 | A-KO | uhm, you can cast hurricane in tree form? |
| 13:50.06 | foxlit | The intention is to cancel tree form and cast hurricane |
| 13:51.11 | A-KO | ooh |
| 13:51.15 | A-KO | is that on ptr or live? |
| 13:51.20 | foxlit | live |
| 13:51.26 | A-KO | interesting, I never tried it :P |
| 13:51.38 | foxlit | Haven't visited the new Onyxia? |
| 13:51.59 | A-KO | I do, but I don't AOE, I'm usually healing the shit out of the AOErs |
| 13:52.33 | foxlit | I find that hotting the tanks is usually sufficient |
| 13:57.17 | A-KO | hmmmm, tempted to go buy a Wii |
| 13:57.19 | zenzelezz | hrm... if I have a character requiring a forced rename (after a transfer), and I do a paid character name change on a different character on the realm... any idea how long until the old name becomes available for the transferred character? |
| 13:58.00 | A-KO | if it's the same account it should be available to you. |
| 13:58.20 | A-KO | but it's per battle group I think |
| 13:58.30 | A-KO | oh same source realm |
| 13:58.36 | A-KO | yeah it should be usable by you for another character immediately |
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| 14:21.08 | Adys | [16:58:29] <A-KO> yeah it should be usable by you for another character immediately |
| 14:21.10 | Adys | its not |
| 14:21.56 | Pneu^ | PCTs lock the name for 3 months iirc |
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| 14:22.33 | zenzelezz | thought that was just for other accounts (ie. you could rename your own to the same name)? |
| 14:22.43 | zenzelezz | either way, I'm not seeing it become available, so you may be right |
| 14:23.04 | zenzelezz | *your own characters on the same account |
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| 14:43.24 | Fisker | pct doesn't lock the name |
| 14:43.38 | A-KO | wow this game looks tight, Cities XL |
| 14:43.46 | Fisker | your mom is tight |
| 14:43.47 | Fisker | hoho |
| 14:43.56 | A-KO | glad you know |
| 14:44.05 | zenzelezz | Fisker: "Once the name change is complete, your character's old name will be locked from use on the realm for 90 days. After that time, the old name can be claimed by anyone on a first-come, first-served basis. If you want to retain the use of that name you will have to reclaim it before anyone else does." |
| 14:44.21 | A-KO | zenzelezz: contact customer support |
| 14:44.22 | zenzelezz | oh wait, you said PCT. The issue for me wasn't the PCT, it was the PNC |
| 14:44.24 | A-KO | ask them to release it for yourself |
| 14:44.40 | zenzelezz | A-KO: yeah, might try that |
| 14:45.36 | Fisker | that's because i don't suck zenzelezz ;3 |
| 14:46.21 | zenzelezz | you really should use a comma there |
| 14:48.00 | Fisker | no |
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| 15:05.54 | foxlit | "Sky Watchers Want Recognized a Newly Described Type of Cloud" |
| 15:05.58 | foxlit | That headline bugs me. |
| 15:06.30 | nevcairiel | that line doesnt even sound like english |
| 15:07.07 | foxlit | just moving recognized to the end would probably make it more bearable |
| 15:07.32 | foxlit | Although that still leaves "Sky Watchers" and "Newly Described". |
| 15:08.26 | nevcairiel | headlines tend to write all words captial, short of the very short ones like "a" and "of" and such :p |
| 15:09.21 | foxlit | it's not the title case. |
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| 15:12.31 | Aelobin | if i invert the X coords in SetTexCoord will it flip the texture horizontally? |
| 15:14.30 | mikma | should yes |
| 15:14.36 | Aelobin | ty :) |
| 15:14.50 | mikma | atleast that's what i did with my "epic casting bar" |
| 15:15.50 | mikma | tex:SetTexCoord(0, 0, 0, 0.84375, 0.578125, 0, 0.578125, 0.84375) |
| 15:15.51 | mikma | tex2:SetTexCoord(0.578125, 0, 0.578125, 0.84375,0, 0, 0, 0.84375) |
| 15:16.00 | mikma | flipflop |
| 15:16.15 | mikma | that flips the image with X axel |
| 15:17.22 | foxlit | lua> 0.578125*8 |
| 15:17.22 | lua_bot | foxlit: 4.625 |
| 15:17.22 | foxlit | lua> 0.578125*8*8 |
| 15:17.22 | lua_bot | foxlit: 37 |
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| 15:25.55 | kakkapylly | Hey, is there any way to skin buffs without buttonfacade? Cos i use ractiobarstyler/ractionbuttonstyler and they dont skin buffs, and i dont like SBF cos it needs buttonfacade so.. |
| 15:27.54 | kakkapylly | would appreciate your help :) |
| 15:30.42 | kakkapylly | Erm.. Anyone here? |
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| 15:35.45 | kakkapylly | Heey? |
| 15:37.30 | kakkapylly | no one here? O.o |
| 15:38.41 | Aelobin | i am the ghost of christmas past |
| 15:39.05 | foxlit | i am the ghost of christmas future |
| 15:39.14 | foxlit | The ghost of christmas present is currently delayed. |
| 15:39.29 | kakkapylly | what? |
| 15:39.33 | kakkapylly | can you guys help me |
| 15:39.49 | Lonny`afk | They just did |
| 15:40.01 | kakkapylly | -.- |
| 15:40.18 | kakkapylly | ok so how can i skin buffs without buttonfacade/SBF |
| 15:42.25 | kakkapylly | come on, i tried searchin curse, wowinterface and wowace and i didnt find any addon that can do it. Or does rbuttonstyler do it to blizz buff frames? |
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| 15:46.43 | foxlit | Several things: (a) This is generally an addon *author* channel -- we could tell you how to write something, but we tend to be blissfully ignorant of what other people have written (b) it's sunday morning (c) you aren't doing yourself any favours by saying "How do I do this without using addons X, Y, Z, which clearly do what I want?" |
| 15:47.08 | foxlit | Try posting a forum topic. |
| 15:55.22 | kakkapylly | did this alrdy ;) but ok ty for help |
| 15:55.50 | kakkapylly | i was just asking. no need to get mad mate |
| 15:57.14 | foxlit | I'm indifferent :) |
| 15:58.33 | kakkapylly | -.- |
| 15:58.44 | kakkapylly | have a nice day then |
| 15:59.17 | Aelobin | is there a function to get a specific currency's info? |
| 15:59.35 | Aelobin | i've found GetCurrencyListInfo, but that's based on the index in the currency frame |
| 16:01.41 | foxlit | So suppose you wanted to look up how many AV tokens the player has? |
| 16:02.07 | Aelobin | yes, exactly that :) |
| 16:03.12 | foxlit | Hm. I guess the safest way is to iterate through the entire currency list. |
| 16:03.35 | foxlit | You could try checking whether GetItemCount with the token IDs picks them up, but that seems unlikely. |
| 16:03.55 | Aelobin | ok ty |
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| 16:07.48 | Aelobin | foxlit: GetItemCount works :o |
| 16:08.09 | foxlit | That's nice :) |
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| 16:22.08 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.21 | Wobin | I stopped responding to mr (insertrandomlettershere) |
| 16:22.22 | A-KO | haha that's a great guild name |
| 16:22.24 | Wobin | last night |
| 16:22.25 | A-KO | Drunk Putton Bushing |
| 16:22.37 | Wobin | when he came complaining about how nobody would help him with his UI |
| 16:23.22 | Wobin | Cause the fucker would simply ignore any advice and then complain louder |
| 16:23.58 | Wobin | "Have you tried the addon?" "No, but I WANT IT TO DO THIS NOWNOWNOW" |
| 16:24.12 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 16:24.17 | nevcairiel | i like people like that =p |
| 16:24.27 | Wobin | You can have him when he comes back |
| 16:24.35 | Wobin | he's finnish |
| 16:24.50 | mikma | hehe |
| 16:24.58 | mikma | just tell him "painu vittuun mosa" |
| 16:25.05 | Wobin | marks that down |
| 16:25.13 | Wobin | I don't care what it means |
| 16:25.17 | Wobin | it's bound to be insulting |
| 16:25.24 | mikma | yes, it is extremely insulting. |
| 16:25.28 | Wobin | woohoo! |
| 16:25.41 | Wobin | Is it degrading to his parentage? |
| 16:25.44 | mikma | "get the **** out you (noobie in military)" |
| 16:26.01 | mikma | "mosa" is, well, a rookie |
| 16:26.26 | mikma | gets all the shit from higher ranks and has joined the military some time ago ;) |
| 16:26.34 | Wobin | hm, if this were Google Wave, I'd probably be able to bookmark that line |
| 16:27.06 | Wobin | aha, someone who just doesn't quite understand how to advance in the army? =) |
| 16:27.37 | mikma | nope, a person that has just joined the army |
| 16:27.47 | mikma | since, it's mandatory to all finnish males |
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| 16:33.38 | foxlit | Finland must be, ahem, defended. |
| 16:34.24 | mikma | amen |
| 16:34.30 | mikma | from evil russia |
| 16:34.40 | nevcairiel | meh we have the same shit here |
| 16:34.49 | Wobin | night all |
| 16:34.49 | nevcairiel | but it was kinda fun, in retrospect |
| 16:34.55 | nevcairiel | night wob |
| 16:35.06 | Wobin | hehe, it's always fun -in retrospect- |
| 16:37.05 | nevcairiel | weee a thunderstorm |
| 16:37.49 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/how_to_keep_an_idiot_busy.gif |
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| 16:50.58 | Aelobin | !api holiday |
| 16:50.58 | lua_bot | CalendarGetHolidayInfo: Returns additional information about a holiday event (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetHolidayInfo) |
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| 17:43.52 | foxlit | Aelobin: well, yes. |
| 17:44.08 | Aelobin | hehe nvm anymore :) |
| 17:44.16 | Aelobin | decided not to go down that route |
| 17:44.25 | foxlit | Did you find the solution that didn't use the calendar api? |
| 17:45.10 | Aelobin | nah xD |
| 17:45.17 | Aelobin | although im intrigued as to what it is? |
| 17:45.29 | Aelobin | i guess i coulda scouted through the battleground-queuing framexml to find it |
| 17:45.43 | foxlit | It's on wowwiki :) |
| 17:46.28 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlegroundInfo |
| 17:47.42 | mikma | eww, battlegrounds |
| 17:47.49 | mikma | i hate the api so much |
| 17:48.23 | Industrial | so into industrial now |
| 17:48.37 | Industrial | np: Covenant - Humility |
| 17:48.49 | Industrial | sci-five! \\//_ |
| 17:48.57 | foxlit | mikma: meh, it's not the worst. |
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| 17:53.35 | Shadowed | Huh Blizzard forgot to bump the TOC on PTR? |
| 17:54.04 | Fisker | your mom did |
| 17:54.06 | Fisker | ;3 |
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| 18:16.27 | zenzelezz | wait, what? "WTB 4 Crusader Orbs for 2400g" |
| 18:16.31 | alestane | Or they did not consider the changes to the API, if any, deserving of a major version change...although I expect they will. |
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| 18:16.36 | zenzelezz | did I miss some change in Crusader Orb availability? |
| 18:17.10 | zenzelezz | new realms always confuse me |
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| 18:17.44 | foxlit | zenzelezz: badges and 25-drops. |
| 18:17.53 | Zyn | they're very available now |
| 18:18.04 | foxlit | totc25 is practically puggable. |
| 18:24.51 | Shirik | windows live |
| 18:25.35 | foxlit | Shirik: kittens? |
| 18:25.54 | Shirik | windows key didn't work... |
| 18:26.18 | Shirik | and I wasn't looking where I was typing |
| 18:28.03 | nevcairiel | you were trying to use the start menu, eh |
| 18:28.17 | nevcairiel | thats actually one of the features i currently miss |
| 18:28.22 | nevcairiel | i liked that |
| 18:28.39 | zenzelezz | which feature? |
| 18:29.41 | Shirik | I love that feature |
| 18:29.44 | Shirik | I use it for just about everything |
| 18:29.52 | Shirik | zenzelezz: You can type the name of the app and hit enter |
| 18:30.11 | Shirik | it didn't work too well in vista tbh |
| 18:30.15 | Shirik | in windows 7 it works very well though |
| 18:31.10 | nevcairiel | in vista i still used the classic start menu |
| 18:32.07 | nevcairiel | but i'm on linux now, and that feature is gone :P i wonder if KDE has a feature like that, they tend to steal everything else |
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| 18:38.30 | Adys_ | ~wowiquotes |
| 18:38.30 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
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| 19:22.24 | Iriel | What is it with recent MMO's thinking 8 characters TOTAL is going to be a reasonable limit? |
| 19:22.38 | mikma | don't know |
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| 19:22.43 | mikma | ddo did it well, firstname and surname |
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| 19:22.59 | mikma | you can even name your char like "Lollercoaster" "The Best" |
| 19:23.15 | Iriel | I didn't mean name length, though that could be an issue too |
| 19:23.18 | mikma | long names with space allowed in both |
| 19:23.33 | Iriel | I mean distinct alts |
| 19:24.34 | Iriel | Champions can ALMOST get away with it due to the one-world-many-instances approach, but given the emphasis on customization and the massive variety of skills it's limiting. |
| 19:24.42 | Iriel | Aion, on the other hand, it's just ridiculous. |
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| 19:35.50 | Aelobin | :o just got eye of sulfuras |
| 19:36.51 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, maybe because they are still ramping up their hardware? didnt wow have some limits in the very begining? |
| 19:37.09 | Arrowmaster | fyi my friend at bioware austin said about 300 people out of 400k have gotten into the alpha so far |
| 19:37.40 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I thought WoW had always been 10/50, but I could be wrong,it was some time ago |
| 19:38.44 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, dont you mean beta? |
| 19:38.55 | Arrowmaster | he said they arent in beta yet |
| 19:39.13 | Thunder_Child | by definition alpa is in house only isnt it? |
| 19:39.17 | Thunder_Child | alpha* |
| 19:39.20 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:40.15 | Iriel | Alpha refers to the 'stability' of the system, not where you're testing it from, IMHO |
| 19:40.40 | Iriel | You'd prefix it with "Open" "Closed" "In-House" etc |
| 19:41.23 | Liz | Anyone here know how to put functions into dropdowns? I'm trying to build a menu into the default options panel, and currently i'm using the WoW Programming book chapter on dropdown menus but I'm getting some messed up syntax errors for my functions, and I'm not quite sure why... http://www.pastey.net/126382 |
| 19:41.36 | Arrowmaster | hes kinda useless though, cant tell me what version of directX it will use or if it will support opengl |
| 19:42.08 | Iriel | Liz you're declaring them wrong |
| 19:42.17 | Liz | wooo |
| 19:42.17 | Iriel | This for example: function info.func() SSP_Options.[DDIterate] = "None" end, |
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| 19:42.33 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, my guess is 10.1 |
| 19:42.34 | Iriel | should be info = func() SSP_Options[DDIterate] = "None" end |
| 19:42.42 | Iriel | Note I fixed *2* syntax errors there |
| 19:42.52 | Iriel | sorrt, function() not func() |
| 19:42.55 | Iriel | And func = |
| 19:42.57 | Iriel | not info = |
| 19:43.01 | Iriel | Let me just try that again 8-) |
| 19:43.13 | Iriel | func = function() SSP_Options[DDIterate] = "None" end |
| 19:43.32 | Liz | O.o I tried that one VERY FIRST and it didn't work :( |
| 19:43.37 | Liz | sec i'll reload it with that |
| 19:43.45 | Iriel | The two issues were (1) trying to use function name() syntax when you want a function value and (2) using X.[Y] (Note the . before the [) |
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| 19:44.01 | Liz | oh hah dur |
| 19:44.07 | Thunder_Child | actually Arrowmaster, i would guess 10.1 and 9 |
| 19:44.08 | Fisker | ties up Iriel |
| 19:44.09 | Liz | that second one i should have noticed |
| 19:44.58 | Iriel | You should be getting useful errors out of lua |
| 19:47.32 | Liz | yeah, I came here because the errors I was getting were confusing the hell out of me, but I think I see why now |
| 19:50.02 | Liz | Hopefully now that the table is correct my handler can add those menus to the options without freaking |
| 19:53.03 | Liz | Hmm... I don't want to do a toggle button like they do in the wowprogramming book, do I just make a new frame that inherits the info and then... how would I pin it into the wow options frame? |
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| 19:54.25 | Iriel | I'd probably look for someone's library to make creating options panels easy first, otherwise I know there were a bunch of examples of hooking into that online, I dont recall where though |
| 19:55.34 | Liz | -.- was hoping not to use a library, just because I've never done so before... Any suggestions as to which? I was looking at the code in another addon that didn't use any libraries, but I couldn't follow it very well |
| 19:57.26 | Iriel | Well, sometimes a library helps work out how to do it yourself too, but takes some of the pressure off |
| 19:57.32 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsimpleoptions-1-0/pages/api/lib-simple-options-1-0/ |
| 19:57.59 | Iriel | There's portfolio too |
| 19:58.06 | Liz | ^^ I was just looking at simpleoptions, actually |
| 19:58.18 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11749-Portfolio.html |
| 19:58.45 | zenzelezz | <nevcairiel> but i'm on linux now, and that feature is gone :P i wonder if KDE has a feature like that, they tend to steal everything else <--- if it doesn't, hack it. Just use slocate(1) or something |
| 19:58.58 | nevcairiel | that would be so slow :P |
| 19:59.04 | zenzelezz | I said hack |
| 19:59.37 | Lukian | what feature? |
| 19:59.38 | zenzelezz | I set up a Firefox search plugin in PHP that uses locate to find files on my home computer and let me access them from elsewhere |
| 19:59.45 | zenzelezz | (just for kicks... scp is easier) |
| 19:59.49 | mikma | <3 tekKonfig |
| 20:00.24 | mikma | http://github.com/tekkub/tekkonfig |
| 20:01.18 | Liz | portfolio looks easier to swallow :P It says for dropdowns I need to use a value for each button... but right now, I don't, because I'm not sure what I'd put there... The values on the first level point at groups for the second level, but that's about it |
| 20:02.09 | mikma | imho, go with LibSimpleOptions :Å |
| 20:02.11 | mikma | :P |
| 20:04.54 | Liz | if I go with LibSimpleOptions, how do I "add" it to my addon? take the latest release file and put it where? |
| 20:05.11 | Liz | i can probably look that up, huh? :P |
| 20:06.11 | mikma | if you want an example of the use, go and get this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13562-TweakWoW.html |
| 20:08.46 | Liz | ahh thanks much |
| 20:12.19 | Liz | Huh, does LibSimpleOptions have support for multi-level dropdowns? |
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| 20:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | bah. Thanks to the wonders of combat logs, my worst fears have been confirmed |
| 20:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The shaman I heal alongside with stands in fires. |
| 20:13.17 | Liz | woooooo! |
| 20:13.31 | Thunder_Child | it took a combat log to figure that out ScytheBlade1? |
| 20:13.34 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 20:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But seeing that he took 200k more damage than I did from them |
| 20:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 20:15.11 | mikma | scytheblade1: what's the worst fear then? |
| 20:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That he stands in fires |
| 20:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It is likely the reason we are wiping :( |
| 20:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: nourish = 31.9%, rejuv = 24.7%, wild growth = 21.1%, regrowth = 12.2%, living seed = 7.5%, swiftmend = 2.6% |
| 20:17.22 | Liz | I'm not sure LibSimpleOptions can work for me -.- While I'm likely just crazy, it doesn't seem to handle multi-level dropdowns |
| 20:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: nourish glyph it is! |
| 20:18.09 | Iriel | Liz: I suspect that's why it's not LibComplexOptions 8-) |
| 20:18.21 | Liz | heh probably |
| 20:23.06 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTWCvEENccw |
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| 20:36.43 | Shadowed | If you need multi-level dropdowns |
| 20:36.51 | Shadowed | look at what you are doing again :p |
| 20:37.20 | mikma | poop -> firm/wet |
| 20:37.40 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:37.44 | Industrial | lol http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/when_you_see_it3.jpg |
| 20:37.46 | Shirik | stabs mikma |
| 20:38.05 | Shirik | lmao Industrial |
| 20:39.40 | mikma | shirik: ouch |
| 20:40.33 | mikma | shirik: http://fukung.net/v/20619/deathbysnoosnooi.gif |
| 20:47.12 | Cloudwolf | mikma you have wun an internetz |
| 20:47.29 | mikma | cloudwolf: nsfw http://fukung.net/v/15177/3f1e73946512df57b9dd38645845bc04.jpg |
| 20:47.47 | Cloudwolf | what in the fuck is that thing |
| 20:47.50 | Cloudwolf | looks like a baby elephant |
| 20:47.59 | mikma | i have no idea |
| 20:48.30 | Cloudwolf | i want to know and i dont want to know |
| 20:53.45 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: but that one was simple. |
| 20:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, which is why I bought both glyphs and I'll be comparing |
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| 20:54.41 | foxlit | What's the other? |
| 20:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I bought WG and rejuv |
| 21:00.57 | Adys | Is there a text for which raid group I am on in pitbull4 ? |
| 21:10.10 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:10.13 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:10.39 | mikma | yey mirc |
| 21:10.50 | Fisker | sup mikma |
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| 21:19.12 | Thunder_Child | forgets Fisker in the desert. awww |
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| 21:37.29 | tem | Sigh |
| 21:37.33 | tem | I hate pugs |
| 21:38.01 | tem | letting a shammy win 2 items when lots of other people wanted both from Sarth25 makes me sadface |
| 21:39.09 | foxlit | Sarth25? |
| 21:39.14 | foxlit | Isn't that like trash gear by now? |
| 21:40.15 | tem | the trinkets are very nice |
| 21:40.39 | tem | Illustration of the Dragon Soul, in particular, doesn't have many rivals for a resto druid |
| 21:41.13 | tem | (we got both trinkets to drop, actually) |
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| 21:43.33 | Cloudwolf | i still need fury of the five flights lol |
| 21:59.55 | Liz | Hey, using Portfolio to set up my options menu, anyone here have experience and a couple minutes for Q&A? |
| 22:03.33 | Liz | When setting up an options menu, how important is it that I don't modify the callback function? All it does is print strings, but when I messed with some of the parameters and tried to add functionality, it seems to go off all the time instead of only on option change >.> |
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| 22:18.40 | jnwhiteh | Liz: you really want KarlKFI, but he's not here. |
| 22:18.58 | Liz | :( |
| 22:19.47 | Liz | I've kind of exploded my whole addon trying to implement this - I have an older version saved, but the changes *shouldn't* be disrupting the other functions, pretty sure it's because my callback function is wrong |
| 22:20.29 | Cloudwolf | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:20.31 | Liz | the only other way to change options beforehand was to edit them in the WTF -.- I wanted something pretty, not a slash command interface |
| 22:20.34 | Liz | Uhh |
| 22:22.14 | Liz | Basically I'm trying to add Portfolio to my addon, so instead of the variables set ahead of time (editing in wtf or defaults), I can change some displays through dropdowns in an options window |
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| 22:28.52 | Liz | Yeah, the whole thing has just kind of exploded... |
| 22:32.07 | Cloudwolf | lol lockerz.com sounds odd... |
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| 22:34.58 | laeg | is there anyway to determine how many arena points you have coming when you've only been on one team and know wins and losses etc? |
| 22:35.17 | Liz | Not if you're not able to look at your rating, iirc |
| 22:35.48 | Liz | best bet is to try to look up the team, if you're not on it |
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| 22:37.40 | alestane | Haipeppy. |
| 22:37.47 | Lopeppeppy | hai2U |
| 22:38.22 | alestane | Did you con out this weekend? |
| 22:38.51 | Lopeppeppy | Went down to albacon for yesterday, but not otherwise. |
| 22:39.38 | laeg | Liz: how do you mean not on it? |
| 22:39.49 | laeg | wowarmoury seems to be a few horus behind wow |
| 22:39.55 | laeg | personal rating much lower than team |
| 22:40.11 | laeg | but it's the only team i've ever been on (2v2) - so i'm assuming team matches personal |
| 22:40.51 | Cloudwolf | woudlnt that only be true |
| 22:40.55 | Cloudwolf | if you have been in every match |
| 22:40.56 | Cloudwolf | your team ahs played |
| 22:41.42 | Iriel | So, folks who use windows as their primary O/S, what general purpose editor do you use? |
| 22:41.46 | Liz | yeah, have you played in every match? if you're still on the team, look up the rating |
| 22:41.55 | Cloudwolf | general purpose editor? |
| 22:41.56 | Liz | Irel: Notepad++ |
| 22:41.58 | Cloudwolf | i use notepad++ |
| 22:42.07 | Iriel | Cloudwolf: yeah, as in, not an IDE |
| 22:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.37 | Cloudwolf | notepad++ has a lot of langauges built into it |
| 22:42.41 | Cloudwolf | and has the ability to be extended |
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| 22:43.00 | Iriel | Thanks guys |
| 22:43.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I used to use textpad, then I really started hating the "buy me!" nag every so often |
| 22:43.26 | Iriel | I'm an emacs user myself, but my wife was asking for suggestions. |
| 22:43.49 | Iriel | And I can't convince her to take the emacs plunge, notepad++ looks like it's just what she needed |
| 22:43.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Well in that case forget I ever tried to be helpful ;) |
| 22:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | go install vim ;) |
| 23:00.15 | Adys | [01:34:57] <laeg> is there anyway to determine how many arena points you have coming when you've only been on one team and know wins and losses etc? |
| 23:00.22 | Adys | theres an arena rating calculator on wowarmory |
| 23:03.28 | laeg | Adys: found it a few mins ago, thanks ;) |
| 23:03.47 | laeg | Cloudwolf: have been in every match, 2v2 |
| 23:04.31 | laeg | Adys: i have a good SP for 2v2 with my rogue, if i go on a 3v3 team i risk getting less than i would if i just continued with him right? |
| 23:05.06 | Adys | no |
| 23:05.21 | Adys | you always gain the maximum amount of arena points you could get in a team |
| 23:05.29 | Cloudwolf | also recently they made only 3v3 count towards newest gear for arena poitns |
| 23:05.30 | Adys | if you'd gain 200 pts in 2v2 and 150 in 3v3, you gain 200 |
| 23:05.39 | Adys | no |
| 23:05.40 | Liz | if you have a 2's and a 3's team, the points you get each week are the greater of the points you'd get for each team... IOW if the 2's team earns 300, and the 3's earns 250, you get 300 |
| 23:06.02 | Adys | they only did that when you buy the gear |
| 23:06.11 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?required_arena_bracket=3 3v3 items |
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| 23:12.43 | laeg | ok |
| 23:12.46 | laeg | so i get more points |
| 23:12.49 | laeg | but risk my rating, right? |
| 23:12.52 | laeg | Adys |
| 23:14.40 | Adys | no |
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| 23:45.50 | Ackis | so my gf's brand new PC locks up when she plays wow, the screen gets all whacked and it just repeats sound/freezes and she has to restart it manually |
| 23:47.30 | Lopeppeppy | frakked video card/drivers? |
| 23:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | frakked installation? |
| 23:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | Does it lock up when logging in, or while in game? |
| 23:48.09 | Lopeppeppy | Heat issues? |
| 23:48.53 | Ackis | while in game, it doesn't lock up with other games (aka HoN) |
| 23:49.37 | Thunder_Child | instantly? or randomly? |
| 23:49.41 | Ackis | randomly |
| 23:50.11 | theorbtwo | I had something like that a while ago. I'm fairly certian it was a fucked video card that had been overheated. |
| 23:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | My PC did that for both the frakked video card, and when I had general overheating issues. |
| 23:50.50 | Thunder_Child | it could be any number of things, i had that with bad ram |
| 23:50.56 | Ackis | this is a brand new video card, it can't be overheating because it's cold as hell in the house haha but why would it lock up for wow and not for other games which are more intensive?] |
| 23:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | WoW is VERY intensive, Ackis, no mistake |
| 23:51.18 | Thunder_Child | not really Lopeppeppy |
| 23:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | It has long-time been the case that computers have issues with WoW and not other games. |
| 23:51.30 | Thunder_Child | ram yes, cpu and HD no |
| 23:51.41 | Lopeppeppy | Cold in the house /= cold in the case, silly monkey. Test the heat. |
| 23:52.13 | theorbtwo | If it's a new machine, don't overdo the debugging if you can just return the fucker. |
| 23:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 23:52.38 | Jerub | Ackis: it sounds like wow is doing a graphics operation that the other games arne't, and that's causing an issue. |
| 23:52.39 | Thunder_Child | that however is time spent not playing |
| 23:53.11 | Ackis | theorbtwo: can't return it I think |
| 23:53.25 | Jerub | Ackis: I recommend trying different verisons of the graphics drivers. |
| 23:53.51 | theorbtwo | I'd also recommend that you download a copy of memtest86+, leave it running, and go to bed. |
| 23:53.57 | theorbtwo | ...depending on what timezone you are in. |
| 23:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Memtest for RAM= goo |
| 23:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | *good |
| 23:54.17 | Ackis | memtest86+ eh? |
| 23:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | Leave it running overnight so it gets a lot of chances to paw through the RAM |
| 23:55.17 | theorbtwo | I've not done extensive research or anything, but it's the best one I know of, and free as in GPLed. |
| 23:55.35 | Thunder_Child | it's not perfect however |
| 23:55.38 | Ackis | any video card tester thingies? |
| 23:56.24 | theorbtwo | Sadly, I've never really seen one that's worth shit. |
| 23:56.40 | Thunder_Child | 3Dmark |
| 23:56.45 | theorbtwo | I expect that has a lot to do with closed vs open archetectures, but that's not terribly useful now. |
| 23:57.13 | Thunder_Child | it's not a tester per se but you can loop the demo. |
| 23:57.26 | Thunder_Child | just as memtest did not start out as a tester |
| 23:57.29 | theorbtwo | Thunder_Child: That won't really narrow down hardware vs drivers, though. |
| 23:57.37 | theorbtwo | Thunder_Child: Er, actually, it did. |
| 23:58.43 | Xinhuan | http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=638 |
| 23:59.05 | Xinhuan | "DRAM error rates: Nightmare on DIMM street" |
