| 00:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i have, and i have. :) |
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| 00:00.51 | alestane | I've never had a problem taking lower-level characters there, for instance to visit the trainers. |
| 00:00.54 | NightHawkTheSane | unless its changed recently, all player-made portals will give you the gear cursor, and you can try and click on it, but if you're not "authorized" to use that portal, it does nothing |
| 00:01.31 | NightHawkTheSane | no real reason dk portals should behave differently |
| 00:02.48 | NightHawkTheSane | heads home, back in a little bit |
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| 00:05.23 | Kraps | "Please rate each of the following hosts and reporters for the BlizzCon 2009 Live Stream. " mwahahaha |
| 00:05.40 | Kraps | Roaming reporter Jo Garcia |
| 00:05.46 | Bruners | why is wowinterface super slow now :S |
| 00:05.56 | Kraps | Awful |
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| 00:10.00 | Kraps | "What performer (i.e. musical act, comedian, etc) would you most like to see at future BlizzCons? " |
| 00:10.09 | Kraps | any ideas? |
| 00:11.56 | Zyn | Cannibal Corpse |
| 00:12.00 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
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| 00:12.15 | theorb | Blind Guardian. |
| 00:12.17 | Shirik | line 61 Reference to vector reg 'dispActive' is not a legal net lvalue |
| 00:12.19 | Shirik | whoops |
| 00:13.06 | Kraps | i can take the survey as many times as i want... |
| 00:14.18 | Shirik | batrick |
| 00:14.19 | Shirik | my man |
| 00:14.43 | theorb | I wonder if Blizz would be up for doing the sorts of funky things with Blind Guardian that Ascaron did. They've got a quest chain and NPCs, complete with custom skins. |
| 00:16.49 | Shirik | batrick, ping :( |
| 00:17.15 | Shirik | or does anyone else here know verilog? |
| 00:19.46 | Thunder_Child | no, but it is an interesting read |
| 00:20.04 | Shirik | gahh |
| 00:20.18 | Shirik | fyi: 1 bit is not the same as 27 bits |
| 00:20.22 | Shirik | for anyone that needed to know |
| 00:22.20 | jpmorgan | zyn - watched a waiter clear out his coffee/winebar with Ccorpse. it was late and people wouldnt leave. it was f'n great. yuppies fleeing in all directions |
| 00:22.42 | jpmorgan | so i second your vote |
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| 00:43.58 | A-KO | holy shit wow |
| 00:50.33 | ArrowmasterClass | gah i cant fucking stand listening english teachers talking about the internet |
| 00:50.50 | ArrowmasterClass | and citing references |
| 00:51.09 | ArrowmasterClass | ".com means commercial, somebody is paying for it" |
| 00:51.58 | ArrowmasterClass | no its just a fucking name and somebody pays for every domain name |
| 00:52.03 | A-KO | christ we're wiping hardcore on the first boss in togc25 |
| 00:52.09 | A-KO | we're like 30% off the mark :/ |
| 00:52.12 | A-KO | when the worms come out |
| 00:53.11 | tem | A-KO dps spending too much time on snowbolds? |
| 00:53.45 | Dagmar | Arromaster: Just think of what someone like me might say |
| 00:53.59 | A-KO | not this time |
| 00:54.05 | A-KO | we figured that at first |
| 00:54.09 | A-KO | should we only kill the ones on the healers? |
| 00:54.22 | ArrowmasterClass | "we dont recommend freshmen and sophomore students use journals because they are written at a graduate level, use magazines and websites" |
| 00:54.24 | Dagmar | Me who remembers when people GAVE A FART about using .org for non-profits instead of treating it all like a giant virtual dictionary grab. |
| 00:54.40 | Dagmar | Oooh... the menacing threat of BIG WORDS. |
| 00:54.50 | ArrowmasterClass | fuck i was at a gratuate reading level in middle school |
| 00:55.15 | Dagmar | A-KO: You could try encouraging them to attack the healers. That should give you some perspective. |
| 00:55.25 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: she called wikipedia a blog |
| 00:55.33 | Dagmar | ...or at least it'll give the healers a clearer perspective. |
| 00:56.09 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I would think that would somewhat free you to use your own parallel-earth verbiage and call her a "hack" |
| 00:56.28 | Dagmar | People who do not use the internet should not be allowed to teach about it. |
| 00:56.33 | ArrowmasterClass | i have to be nice |
| 00:56.46 | Dagmar | I try to make sure I avoid situations where I'm forced to be nice. |
| 00:56.54 | Dagmar | The world needs more brutal honesty. |
| 00:57.00 | Dagmar | ...or at least more brutality. |
| 00:57.13 | ArrowmasterClass | i need to pass this class and i need her to like me and grade my papers remembering i have writting problems |
| 00:57.38 | Dagmar | If she thinks Wikipedia is a blog how is she even going to know if you have writing problems? |
| 00:57.48 | ArrowmasterClass | because i told her |
| 00:58.14 | Dagmar | Way to go. Left to her own devices she might have decided you were the reincarnation of e.e.cummings. |
| 00:58.51 | ArrowmasterClass | ive signed up for and droped this class many times |
| 00:59.25 | ArrowmasterClass | most teachers enforce minimium length requirements on all work, she doesnt |
| 01:00.42 | theorbtwo | BTW, wikipedia itself is quite clear that you shouldn't cite it as a source in any serious work. |
| 01:00.44 | Shirik | (20:51:01) (ArrowmasterClass) ".com means commercial, somebody is paying for it" |
| 01:00.45 | Shirik | Seriously? |
| 01:00.53 | Shirik | Someone is paying for encyclopedia brittanica too |
| 01:01.06 | Shirik | does that mean it's not reputable either? |
| 01:01.25 | theorbtwo | Of course, it also says that of print encylopedia; both are supposed to be secondary sources. |
| 01:01.59 | theorbtwo | Sadly, wikipedia subscribes to the cult of paper in it's notability requirements. |
| 01:02.34 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:02.43 | ArrowmasterClass | wikipedia can be used as a source to find sources |
| 01:02.51 | ArrowmasterClass | all teachers ignore that |
| 01:03.09 | ArrowmasterClass | gtg |
| 01:03.57 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Even worse, Encyclopeda Brittanica is a for-profit, unlike wikipedia. |
| 01:04.13 | Shirik | Most of my english teachers are willing to accept wikipedia as a source |
| 01:04.22 | Shirik | the argument: It has so much peer review that it should be acceptable |
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| 01:12.43 | Thunder_Child | major fail |
| 01:13.18 | Thunder_Child | never use wikipedia as a source, use wikipedias sources. |
| 01:15.52 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/blizzard |
| 01:19.30 | Shirik | WARNING:Route:455 - CLK Net:lightDisplay/verySlowClock/out may have excessive skew because 1 CLK pins and 1 NON_CLK pins failed to route using a CLK template. |
| 01:19.44 | Shirik | Warning saying "very slow clock" might not be 100% accurate == lol |
| 01:20.38 | Shirik | It's complaining that I can't keep a clock that ticks once every 10 seconds accurate to within 1/500000000th of a second |
| 01:21.09 | Kraps | holy crap jimmy fallon is epic fail http://www.wow.com/2009/09/30/felicia-day-on-late-night-with-jimmy-fallon/ |
| 01:21.40 | Dagmar | Are we going to have to kill him? |
| 01:21.54 | Dagmar | If he made her cry he's a dead man |
| 01:22.27 | batrick | Shirik: sup |
| 01:22.30 | Kraps | no, he just sucks donkey balls |
| 01:22.32 | Shirik | I figured it out |
| 01:22.35 | Shirik | Stupid verilog crap |
| 01:22.50 | batrick | i don't know verilog |
| 01:23.02 | Shirik | wire foo; Bar bar(.foo(foo)); assign pin = foo; vs. Bar bar(.foo(pin)) |
| 01:23.07 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 01:23.10 | Shirik | do you know VHDL? |
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| 01:27.57 | Thunder_Child | someone gimmie food |
| 01:28.13 | kd3 | har. 'Here at MythTV, we recognize that your DVR shearing off your wife's fingers is the kind of thing that will get you in trouble.' |
| 01:29.09 | batrick | Shirik: i know some VHDL |
| 01:29.22 | Shirik | I love verilog |
| 01:29.28 | Shirik | Check out this statement I just made |
| 01:29.51 | Shirik | wasReset = 0; if (wasReset) state = S_MYSTATE; |
| 01:29.57 | Shirik | and yes, I do expect that line to be executed :P |
| 01:30.07 | Shirik | VHDL probably operates the same way |
| 01:30.36 | batrick | wtf |
| 01:30.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:30.57 | Shirik | It's because everything happens at the same time |
| 01:31.08 | Shirik | so the "if" is done on a compare of the value before setting 0 |
| 01:31.09 | Shirik | not after |
| 01:31.28 | batrick | gotta go shirik, ttyl |
| 01:31.32 | Shirik | byes |
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| 01:38.19 | Thunder_Child | batrick's a liar Shirik, he just want to get away from you but is too nice to say it |
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| 02:41.23 | ScytheBlade1 | interesting angle for a spam email |
| 02:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | "Meet Attractive Single Parents" |
| 02:41.53 | Thunder_Child | milfs is a booming industry |
| 02:44.38 | Dagmar | You know they put out |
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| 02:48.17 | Iriel | "Past performance is no guarantee of future results" |
| 02:48.39 | NightHawkTheSane | especially where children are involved |
| 02:52.38 | Kraps | lie to me is back! |
| 02:55.45 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: indeed so |
| 02:56.55 | Gnarfoz | good ep, too |
| 02:57.46 | tem | I don't like that show =/ |
| 02:58.00 | tem | it pretends to be scientific but a lot of their stuff is bullshit |
| 02:58.21 | Dagmar | What? No! |
| 02:58.35 | Dagmar | They would never misrepresent science for entertainment purposes! |
| 02:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | misrepresents entertainment for science purposes |
| 02:59.58 | Kraps | tem: what? a police or medical procedural that isnt 100% factual? ON TV?! SHOCKING!!!! |
| 03:07.22 | Gnarfoz | I should just stop watching House |
| 03:07.26 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:07.30 | Bruners | why ? |
| 03:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | is it lupus? |
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| 03:09.25 | NightHawkTheSane | yay, its Shirik |
| 03:11.02 | Shirik | I made chicken alfredo! |
| 03:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | :o you know how to do that!? |
| 03:11.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:11.26 | NightHawkTheSane | kids |
| 03:11.57 | Thunder_Child | childs |
| 03:12.56 | Shirik | I burned the chicken a little though |
| 03:12.56 | Shirik | but no big deal |
| 03:13.03 | Shirik | it actually looked ok, but when I turned around from the kitchen I could see how smoky the room was, lol |
| 03:13.07 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, better than undercooking it |
| 03:13.10 | Bruners | someone highlight me please |
| 03:13.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Bruners: no |
| 03:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: and yeah, quite a while ago i took the battery out of my smoke alarm, it went off a lot when i cooked. >< |
| 03:16.58 | Shirik | well um |
| 03:17.02 | Shirik | you could just try cooking better |
| 03:17.02 | Kraps | lol "shes gonna determine if you're a lying son of a bitch" |
| 03:17.17 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 03:17.29 | NightHawkTheSane | the food turns out great, there's just smoke. i dont see the problem :P |
| 03:19.27 | Shirik | I'm thinking teriyaki chicken tomorrow |
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| 03:24.09 | Iriel | Shirik: How about lemon pepper grilled salmon |
| 03:24.20 | Shirik | fish is blah |
| 03:24.51 | Iriel | Salmon is tastier than just fish |
| 03:27.36 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 03:27.56 | Thunder_Child | or broiled, that works as well |
| 03:28.11 | Shirik | and when you order fish at restaurants, including salmon |
| 03:28.16 | Shirik | they give you like this tiny piece |
| 03:28.21 | Shirik | and charge you a fortune |
| 03:28.43 | Thunder_Child | thats why you make it yourself |
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| 03:42.22 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone have a recommendation for a good 24+" monitor? |
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| 03:44.05 | tem | Dell makes a damn fine 24" |
| 03:44.19 | Aznamir | hello |
| 03:45.00 | Iriel | samsung also do |
| 03:45.04 | Aznamir | could someone help me with a table sorting in lua? |
| 03:45.41 | Aznamir | need to sort a table like {name, val1, val2} so that val1 goes in descending order and val2 in ascending |
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| 03:47.06 | Iriel | Aznamir: as stated, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense |
| 03:50.01 | Aznamir | table { {"John", 1.5, 2.0}, {"Joe", 3.0, 2.0}, {"Mark", 3.0, 1.5}, {"Igor", 2.0, 1.0}} |
| 03:50.14 | Aznamir | need to sort it like this |
| 03:50.57 | Aznamir | { {"Mark", 3.0, 1.5}, {"Joe", 3.0, 2.0}, {"Igor", 2.0, 1.0}, {"John", 1.5, 2.0} } |
| 03:52.06 | Aznamir | val1, for example, is a number of victories, val2 is the number of losses, i need to find the best guy |
| 03:52.32 | Iriel | ah I see |
| 03:52.39 | Iriel | well, your sort function will look something like |
| 03:53.15 | Iriel | function mysort(a,b) return a[2] < b[2] or (a[2] == b[2] and a[3] > b[3]) end |
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| 03:54.06 | Iriel | Actually flip the < and >, based on your specification |
| 03:55.23 | Aznamir | actually i may just sort them by (number of wins - number of losses) |
| 03:55.31 | Aznamir | Thanks, Iriel |
| 03:55.47 | Iriel | so it'd become (a[2] - a[3]) < (b[2] - b[3]) |
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| 03:56.05 | Iriel | or the reverse |
| 03:56.05 | Iriel | depending on what direction you want the sort |
| 03:56.27 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: NEC 2490 |
| 03:57.09 | Arrowmaster | dell is crap now, all wide gaumet |
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| 03:59.42 | Kraps | why shouldnt Cal go to vegas? |
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| 04:08.45 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHW8qFup550 (except sqrt(-1) is j, not i) |
| 04:10.03 | tem | lol EEs |
| 04:10.10 | tem | had to come up with another letter because they're dumb |
| 04:10.30 | Shirik | negative |
| 04:10.39 | Shirik | because we are on a higher level |
| 04:10.50 | tem | *eyeroll* |
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| 04:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i'm pretty sure its because you're dumb. :P |
| 04:11.17 | jpmorgan | BBBUUUUUURRRRRNNNNN! |
| 04:19.57 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: just some random "don't do that *ever* again" thing? :D |
| 04:20.38 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: yeah, but you would think he'd make a killing at poker |
| 04:20.45 | Shirik | sussudio! |
| 04:21.16 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: exactly, and get in trouble for it, probably :D |
| 04:21.30 | Kraps | yeah |
| 04:30.46 | Shirik | so |
| 04:30.51 | Shirik | paladins only have holy spells? |
| 04:31.02 | tem | that's correct |
| 04:31.08 | Shirik | lol @ them |
| 04:31.15 | Shirik | they're screwed on toc |
| 04:31.20 | tem | how so? |
| 04:31.25 | Shirik | jarraxus |
| 04:31.33 | Shirik | no way to deal with maiden's kiss |
| 04:31.34 | tem | the bitches? |
| 04:31.43 | tem | can't it be cleansed? |
| 04:31.44 | Shirik | er, mistress's kiss |
| 04:31.45 | Bruners | paladins are supposed to heal |
| 04:31.46 | Shirik | no |
| 04:31.49 | Shirik | btw |
| 04:31.52 | Shirik | FU BLIZZARD |
| 04:31.56 | Shirik | It's Mistress's kiss |
| 04:31.59 | Shirik | not Mistress' kiss |
| 04:32.12 | Dagmar | ~failrijk |
| 04:32.16 | Shirik | Just because it ends in an s does not mean you put the ' at the end |
| 04:32.22 | Shirik | It goes at the end of a plural word |
| 04:32.25 | tekkub | shut up and kiss the matress |
| 04:32.28 | Dagmar | It does when it's the possessive form |
| 04:32.28 | Jerub | it's alright, since we got [Drums of Forgotten Kings] we can get rid of pallys entirely. |
| 04:32.32 | Shirik | No |
| 04:32.36 | Shirik | Only if it's a plural posessive |
| 04:32.46 | Dagmar | Shirik: You're outnumbered. |
| 04:32.49 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 04:32.49 | Shirik | I know |
| 04:32.53 | Jerub | i'm with Shirik on this one |
| 04:32.58 | Shirik | But I want to stab all the people that get it wrong |
| 04:33.38 | Shirik | and now I go to sleep |
| 04:33.38 | Dagmar | I'd say try smoking cloves because it keeps those homocidal urges dempened down a bit, but they just took them off the market. |
| 04:33.39 | Dagmar | Looks like your'e screwed. |
| 04:33.47 | Dagmar | ...and people here are in serious crap when I run out of my last carton. |
| 04:34.13 | Jerub | bob the angry flower's guide to the apostrope, you idiot? |
| 04:34.38 | Dagmar | Hey look, here's a picture of me not caring because I'm at the end of a 12 hour shoft and I'm about to go home. |
| 04:34.45 | Dagmar | :) |
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| 05:23.04 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:23.05 | Shirik | I blame you |
| 05:23.07 | Shirik | that is all |
| 05:23.21 | Thunder_Child | damit Shirik|zZz, i am watching mash, dont do that |
| 05:23.42 | Shirik|zZz | ? |
| 05:23.48 | Thunder_Child | @Shirik: that is all |
| 05:23.48 | Thunder_Child | 22:22.52Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Shirik cha |
| 05:23.58 | Thunder_Child | that was dd |
| 05:24.01 | Thunder_Child | odd* |
| 05:24.13 | Thunder_Child | "that is all" is a common phrase in mash |
| 05:26.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yay, mash |
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| 06:27.42 | Durinanix | can i have a admin review my files again? |
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| 06:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Every so often I see the phrase "private server" and I go all "OH NO U DIDUNT" |
| 06:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I realize that I'm reading steam forums |
| 06:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Where the games have private servers.. |
| 06:35.57 | industrial | lol |
| 06:36.33 | Durinanix | quick question how do i make it so that curse reconizes that i uploaded a new version of my addon |
| 06:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | try their channel, you'd probably get a quicker answer |
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| 07:01.48 | bleeter | so what's all this about daily resets being fubar snafu? |
| 07:02.43 | bleeter | attempt at fixing direbrew sploit gone wrong, or 3.2.2 bug? |
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| 07:06.15 | bleeter | needless to say, news is all over my server. 'to reset your daily count, relog or rezone or something like that' oO |
| 07:08.42 | ZorbaBeta | first I've heard of it |
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| 07:22.10 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 07:22.11 | Fisker | you |
| 07:23.56 | bleeter | Fisker: no u |
| 07:24.29 | Fisker | yes me |
| 07:24.54 | Fisker | i wanted to wave |
| 07:24.54 | bleeter | ZorbaBeta: yeah someone mentioned it this morning in passing, think it was in /trade, I didn't pay that much attention. Guild kids are on now, so they're all over it. Seniors are telling tales of people they've seen stripped/banned for exploiting, to try to discourage hehe |
| 07:26.44 | Fisker | slaps bleeter around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:27.00 | Fisker | spare some change? |
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| 07:28.25 | nevcairiel | anyone know a page that hosts the ScummVM data files for the games? :D |
| 07:29.57 | Elkano | depends on the game ^^ the free ones: http://www.scummvm.org/downloads/ |
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| 07:30.12 | Fisker | no warez jerk! |
| 07:31.19 | nevcairiel | those are all so old, its abandonware by now :P |
| 07:31.43 | Fisker | no |
| 07:32.20 | nevcairiel | i even owned most of the games i want to play again, but the media was probably destroyed :P |
| 07:32.31 | Elkano | yeah, sure ;) |
| 07:33.19 | nevcairiel | heck, most of those even came on some magazines cd already |
| 07:33.38 | nevcairiel | and that was 10 years ago |
| 07:33.38 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 07:34.06 | Fisker | because it's properly licensed durr |
| 07:36.26 | Elkano | nev, which ones are you actually looking into? |
| 07:37.14 | ZorbaBeta | y'know what Cataclysm is going to make a lot easier unless they change some game mechanics? "kill the enemy leaders" |
| 07:37.16 | nevcairiel | simon the sorcerer, the two indiana jones, sam&max .. the old classics :P |
| 07:37.30 | ZorbaBeta | just fly into the city and flatten your target before the enemy responds |
| 07:38.21 | Elkano | inid is on steam iirc |
| 07:38.53 | krka | ZorbaBeta: maybe they'll make cities non-flying zones? |
| 07:38.55 | nevcairiel | i even still have my DotT CD |
| 07:38.55 | krka | sort of like dalaran |
| 07:39.12 | Elkano | nev: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/2102/ |
| 07:39.25 | ZorbaBeta | krka, unless they have a much shorter timeout, it won't really change anything - you'll have, what, 20 seconds to get there? |
| 07:39.52 | nevcairiel | Elkano, i don't even know if i can extract the data from those that i need for scummvm :P |
| 07:40.02 | krka | 20 seconds? yeah right |
| 07:40.02 | ZorbaBeta | plus they either run into the Wintergrasp issue of people being dismounted in midair, or they run into the Wintergrasp issue of people being able to do airbombs anyway, given Levitate et al |
| 07:40.13 | Elkano | nevcairiel, I think you can |
| 07:40.24 | Fisker | ZorbaBeta that's not really easier |
| 07:40.28 | nevcairiel | krka, at leats for thunderbluff they would need a pretty big area around it as non-fly, or you can just land on top of it |
| 07:40.38 | Fisker | Horde already got a trillion backdoors so it's like that already |
| 07:40.51 | Elkano | see: http://www.scummvm.org/compatibility/ |
| 07:40.53 | krka | nevcairiel: just add invisible walls for opposing faction :P |
| 07:40.55 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, on my server the problem tends to be the other faction killing you as you run in. just appearing in the throne room definitely makes it easier |
| 07:41.18 | nevcairiel | I dunno, old faction citys are pretty much all deserted |
| 07:41.25 | nevcairiel | on my realm |
| 07:41.25 | krka | or flying guards that casts slow |
| 07:41.33 | nevcairiel | krka, that i can see |
| 07:41.37 | Fisker | Well do you run around orgrimmar shouting you're coming? |
| 07:41.43 | Fisker | Cause that's kind of a problem |
| 07:41.45 | Elkano | nevcairiel: or rather: http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Datafiles |
| 07:41.47 | olafski | psh, jaina can make a portal into thrall's room.. she should just help us kill the leaders |
| 07:41.49 | krka | no, you can't see invisible walls |
| 07:41.54 | krka | hence, invisible |
| 07:42.00 | ZorbaBeta | right now I'm also curious what they'll do with capital cities, since if they're not adding a new capital city or new portals, Dalaran will end up still being the hub. which is sorta weird. |
| 07:42.03 | nevcairiel | the flying guards <.< |
| 07:42.07 | Fisker | If you're alliance + no retarded + full raid = Thrall dead before anyone can respond |
| 07:42.24 | ZorbaBeta | krka, they'd need an AOE slow to take care of a full raid. Which they might do. |
| 07:42.28 | olafski | maybe they'll add portals to all cities in orgrimmar and stormwind, zorbabeta :) |
| 07:42.35 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, maybe :) |
| 07:42.44 | olafski | I would assume those will be the new hubs again |
| 07:42.55 | olafski | though it might be strange with garrosh deciding only orcs and tauren are allowed in |
| 07:42.59 | nevcairiel | worgens and goblins get new citys |
| 07:43.09 | nevcairiel | and the trolls should get one, considering thrall is throwing them out |
| 07:43.09 | olafski | don't gnomes get gnomeregan back too? |
| 07:43.12 | olafski | or did I just dream that |
| 07:43.25 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, I seem to recall they've hinted at that |
| 07:43.45 | krka | olafski: what, no trolls, undead or belfs in orgrimmar? |
| 07:44.00 | krka | where is this info from? gief link! |
| 07:44.12 | Elkano | nevcairiel, thrall isn't, is he? Grom is. |
| 07:44.13 | olafski | krka: the last update on mmo-c said something about garrosh only wanting the "pure" horde races in the center of orgrimmar |
| 07:44.22 | Elkano | at least from the inner circle |
| 07:44.29 | nevcairiel | Elkano, whatever, at least they are throwing the filth out :P |
| 07:44.39 | krka | funny, since trolls should be considered more pure than tauren |
| 07:44.43 | ZorbaBeta | so basically garrosh is hitler? |
| 07:44.54 | krka | warcraft 2 was all about orc / troll / goblin |
| 07:44.59 | Elkano | pure maybe, but not strong warriors |
| 07:46.22 | nevcairiel | didnt the taurens use to be kinda neutral in wc, working for their own goals preserving nature and all |
| 07:46.27 | nevcairiel | its been too long since i've played those |
| 07:47.06 | nevcairiel | I should play all the old WC again :D |
| 07:47.36 | tem | nevcairiel, I think garosh is only throwing them out of "the inner city" |
| 07:47.38 | tem | whatever that is |
| 07:47.50 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I seem to recall that their Horde affiliation is something along the lines of "well, orcs helped us not get exterminated by centaurs, and we're not a big fan of dwarves, and if we hang out with orcs then the humans hate us. guess we're horde now" |
| 07:48.10 | nevcairiel | well still, it would bother me only having half a city to live in, i would build my own :p |
| 07:48.50 | olafski | the building skills of trolls are legendary after all |
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| 07:49.05 | ZorbaBeta | they'll never do it, but I'd love it if they made a troll/gnome city |
| 07:49.32 | krka | gnome city already exists... |
| 07:49.37 | ZorbaBeta | "well, we don't have a homeland. Let's make one! We'll ask these other homeless dudes for help!" |
| 07:49.46 | nevcairiel | it was hinted that they get the gnomeregan back |
| 07:49.46 | olafski | yeah and iirc they said the gnomes would take their city back :) |
| 07:49.51 | olafski | ohh |
| 07:49.53 | ZorbaBeta | no, I mean, a city which is the central troll *and gnome* city. They just band together and make a new city! :D |
| 07:49.53 | olafski | you mean troll AND gnome :) |
| 07:50.00 | olafski | that'll happen :P |
| 07:50.03 | ZorbaBeta | Full of troll architecture covered in wacky gears. |
| 07:50.05 | ZorbaBeta | it would be amazing. |
| 07:50.12 | olafski | hahaha |
| 07:50.12 | nevcairiel | like that will ever happen |
| 07:50.12 | krka | the trolls would eat all the gnomes |
| 07:50.13 | olafski | yeah |
| 07:50.18 | nevcairiel | the outcasts form a new faction? |
| 07:50.19 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 07:50.35 | ZorbaBeta | nev, just make 'em neutral, so they can join both races! :D |
| 07:50.50 | krka | is stormwind also becoming racist or what? |
| 07:50.52 | ZorbaBeta | yeah blizzard would never go for that, they're already jumping through a huge number of hoops to attempt to justify the war continuing |
| 07:51.29 | olafski | stormwind has always felt a little racist to me |
| 07:51.31 | olafski | dunno why |
| 07:51.40 | olafski | doesn't bother me though, nearly all my chars are human |
| 07:52.14 | nevcairiel | they throw rotten fruits at DKs :( |
| 07:52.17 | nevcairiel | racist humans |
| 07:53.03 | olafski | classist ;) |
| 07:53.23 | olafski | well Wrynn is obviously racist |
| 07:53.59 | olafski | always insulting the orcs based on their skin color |
| 07:55.18 | krka | true |
| 07:55.23 | krka | wrynn and garrosh are assholes |
| 07:55.48 | olafski | thrall at least seems kind of willing to make peace |
| 07:56.04 | nevcairiel | thrall has always been a peace boy |
| 07:56.17 | Arrowmaster | need more orcs like broxigar |
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| 08:11.25 | Fisker | krka |
| 08:11.34 | ZorbaBeta | it is kind of impressive how they're killing off the main reasons I was considering switching horde |
| 08:11.42 | ZorbaBeta | namely, thrall and cairne were chill |
| 08:12.00 | bleeter | cairne's a pothead |
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| 08:14.25 | ZorbaBeta | that was the awesome part. in classic, the only horde leader who wasn't a pothead was Sylvanas |
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| 08:32.44 | Fisker | why haven't any of you jerks gotten a google wave invite so you can give me an invite? ;( |
| 08:34.22 | Kalroth | I got one, but haven't actually used it |
| 08:34.26 | Kalroth | what was it for? |
| 08:35.44 | Fisker | some kind of wtf thing |
| 08:36.02 | Fisker | it's basically some kind of real-time editing system |
| 08:36.12 | Fisker | You can use it for mail, im, doing presentations, etc. |
| 08:36.24 | Fisker | but do send! |
| 08:36.30 | Fisker | i would love you irl Kalroth |
| 08:36.34 | Fisker | or choose not to love you |
| 08:36.42 | Fisker | Depending on what you want |
| 08:36.48 | Arrowmaster | ok thats fucked up, i got an email for making a post on the xbox.com forums but its to an address i havent used in years for xbox.com |
| 08:38.12 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCGKv9Ci1R8 Kalroth |
| 08:39.05 | Fisker | And you can make shit like extensions for it |
| 08:39.17 | Fisker | So you could basically link something like your blog to it |
| 08:39.45 | Fisker | And if you posted a new wave to your blog it would automatically put stuff like comments in it etc. |
| 08:39.45 | Fisker | but do giev Kalroth |
| 08:40.13 | Fisker | sexes Kalroth up |
| 08:41.43 | Fisker | takes out the lotion |
| 08:42.11 | Fisker | This can stop/continue at any time Kalroth :3 |
| 08:42.46 | [Ammo] | has had a wave account for months :p |
| 08:42.56 | [Ammo] | was one of those lucky, very early devs :) |
| 08:43.07 | Fisker | sexes up [Ammo] as well then |
| 08:43.20 | [Ammo] | but I can't send out invites |
| 08:43.27 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:43.30 | Fisker | you're useless to me! |
| 08:44.07 | [Ammo] | at least I got wave |
| 08:44.21 | Fisker | still waiting on Kalroth to send me an invite :( |
| 08:45.04 | Kalroth | oh, I gave it away already, Fisker |
| 08:45.24 | Kalroth | so no need to ping me! |
| 08:45.48 | Fisker | Kalroth you jerk |
| 08:45.58 | Fisker | you can invite 5 more when you open an account |
| 08:46.01 | Fisker | or something like that |
| 08:46.02 | Fisker | ;( |
| 08:46.19 | Kalroth | it's a glorified fecesbook + messenger, who gives a fuck about it? :p |
| 08:46.33 | Fisker | i do! |
| 08:46.42 | Fisker | cries |
| 08:46.47 | Kalroth | You're Fisker though |
| 08:47.35 | Fisker | you're dead to me :( |
| 08:47.55 | Kalroth | \o/ |
| 08:48.08 | Fisker | oh yeah? |
| 08:48.16 | Fisker | You just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 08:50.39 | Fisker | yeah what can you do now Kalroth ? |
| 08:50.53 | Kalroth | Get a milk beard! |
| 08:50.59 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 08:51.04 | Fisker | but you should still get me an invite |
| 08:58.18 | Fisker | sticks a knife into Kalroth |
| 08:59.52 | Fisker | i trusted you Kalroth |
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| 09:04.08 | Styles_ | Hey |
| 09:04.17 | Styles_ | Does PLAYER_LOGIN stil work? the event? |
| 09:05.45 | Fisker | a powerful enemy Kalroth |
| 09:05.46 | Fisker | that's me |
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| 09:07.46 | Styles_ | Kazie, are you a Lua scripter? |
| 09:08.21 | Kazie | Nope, not even close :) i've made my own LuaTexts for Pitbull4 with a little help, but that's it hehe. |
| 09:08.26 | Styles_ | lol |
| 09:08.27 | Styles_ | crap |
| 09:09.38 | Kazie | :) |
| 09:13.36 | Bruners | Fisker: what is your demand today ? |
| 09:17.19 | Mikk | Styles_: yes it works just fine. but it really only fires when you login, not on reload. |
| 09:17.24 | Grum | To take a big dick up his ass, like all days :( |
| 09:17.34 | Styles_ | Mikk, that's exactly what i need to know :p |
| 09:17.38 | Styles_ | I wonder why it's not firing for me |
| 09:17.39 | Styles_ | : |
| 09:18.18 | Mikk | registering for it too late? typoed the name? |
| 09:18.45 | Mikk | addon being LoDed? |
| 09:19.01 | Mikk | i'll rephrase: what do you think you need it for? |
| 09:19.27 | Styles_ | I want to check right when somebody logs in if there acc is in a db im making |
| 09:19.58 | Mikk | umm PLAYER_LOGIN only fires for yourself |
| 09:20.41 | Mikk | and their player name is available as your script starts loading already, no need to wait for anything |
| 09:21.21 | Fisker | slaps Bruners around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:21.33 | Fisker | that Kalroth releases the google wave invite he's holding hostage |
| 09:21.38 | Styles_ | humm |
| 09:21.39 | Styles_ | ok |
| 09:25.28 | Mikk | are you looking for events that fire for guildies and friends? |
| 09:30.51 | bleeter | yup more people on vent talking about the daily reset bug |
| 09:30.59 | bleeter | saying they've done 50+ dailies today lolol |
| 09:31.31 | nevcairiel | you should remind them that they banned people for exploiting those bugs back in BC when it happend last =) |
| 09:32.04 | Fisker | you could reset dailies back then? :o |
| 09:33.17 | Fisker | yay |
| 09:33.20 | nevcairiel | when they first patched in the skettis dailys, entering an arena reset your daily status |
| 09:33.24 | Fisker | they banned people for the direbrew exploit |
| 09:34.08 | Bruners | and how do you reset it? |
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| 09:38.07 | bleeter | nevcairiel: yeah have been reminding them |
| 09:38.21 | bleeter | nevcairiel: I've posted to Bugs, made a passing mention on Customer SUpport Forum |
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| 09:43.42 | Fisker | slaps bleeter around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:43.53 | Fisker | foxlit Kalroth is being mean to me :( |
| 09:44.25 | foxlit | refers Fisker to the "Protect the Fiskers" foundation. |
| 09:45.08 | Fisker | you just got elected chairman foxlit |
| 09:45.26 | foxlit | In that case, I vote we give Kalroth free reign. |
| 09:45.53 | Fisker | you just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
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| 09:59.35 | Fisker | slaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:16.22 | Fisker | brrs |
| 10:25.11 | Fisker | anyways [Ammo] |
| 10:25.14 | Fisker | when you're cool enough |
| 10:25.17 | Fisker | give me a call :o |
| 10:28.19 | Adys | I got an idea for an addon but I dont know if it exists or how feasible it is |
| 10:28.59 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 10:33.01 | Fisker | :( |
| 10:47.34 | Fisker | oh god i'm stabbing you with a knife Kalroth |
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| 10:58.05 | _rane | hm, is there an addon that tells what's worth least in your bags? |
| 11:02.11 | Mikk | fubar_garbagefu |
| 11:02.21 | Mikk | but yeah... fubar :P |
| 11:02.27 | Mikk | i suspect there's others by now |
| 11:03.19 | bleeter | [Ammo]: thanks for the FF update :) |
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| 11:11.44 | _rane | Mikk: fubar_garbagefu is awesome, thanks |
| 11:13.26 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/090806.html |
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| 11:20.51 | Fisker | rages |
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| 11:31.36 | bleeter | Adys: that's not funny |
| 11:31.45 | bleeter | :P |
| 11:32.22 | nevcairiel | i thought it was |
| 11:32.24 | nevcairiel | :P |
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| 11:34.32 | bleeter | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/090527.html |
| 11:37.53 | Elkano | GarbageFu need some love, though... hacked my version to use GetItemInfo's sell value ^^ |
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| 12:07.06 | Adys | so yeah |
| 12:07.11 | Adys | I got this idea for an addon but I dont know if it exists or how feasible it is |
| 12:07.46 | Adys | Configurable of course, it would hide the entire interface and change transparency level as you approach your mouse from a frame |
| 12:08.46 | Wobin | So you use the mouse to fade out stuff? |
| 12:08.50 | Adys | ya |
| 12:08.59 | Wobin | why? =) |
| 12:09.04 | Adys | you can choose frames not to hide, etc |
| 12:09.34 | Adys | because i think its really cool to play without interface |
| 12:09.35 | Adys | :P |
| 12:09.55 | Wobin | but you'll have to scrub your mouse across the screen to get it to fade |
| 12:10.05 | Adys | no the other way around |
| 12:10.09 | Adys | by default frames are hidden |
| 12:10.17 | Wobin | oh so fade in on the mouse |
| 12:10.33 | Wobin | I prefer Dash's implementation |
| 12:10.37 | olafski | sounds nice |
| 12:10.47 | olafski | be sure to also add a minimum % opacity or something |
| 12:10.59 | Wobin | cause otherwise you'll be playing with a clean interface, then accidentally fade in a frame on top of something you want to click |
| 12:11.12 | Wobin | like a quest handin |
| 12:11.15 | Adys | yes but the intent isnt the same |
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| 12:11.47 | olafski | I wouldn't mind some out of combat hiding or general hiding conditions for some addons :< |
| 12:11.47 | Adys | dash is to make it easier to access/look up some interface element |
| 12:11.57 | olafski | omen has it down nicely, but recount can't be hidden based on the same specs |
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| 12:45.31 | bleeter | now they've limited me to 2 BG queues, and bugger all time to join, is there any way to tell the estimated length of the queue without having to join said queue? |
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| 12:45.53 | Mikk | ask someone that joined |
| 12:45.57 | Mikk | wins @ internet |
| 12:46.07 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Bumbles bounce. |
| 12:46.35 | alestane | Sounds like you are not in such a bounce mood. |
| 12:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | I don't do mornings on good days, darlin'. Ask me after 10. |
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| 13:13.47 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1249579775.png |
| 13:14.46 | Mikk | LMAO |
| 13:14.57 | Mikk | awesome =) |
| 13:15.17 | nevcairiel | i wonder if thats true |
| 13:15.23 | nevcairiel | some GMs actually do have some humor |
| 13:15.25 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 13:15.45 | Mikk | aye i'm still giggling when i think of the long discussion a warlock had about a soulshard |
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| 13:15.49 | Mikk | that he got off a soulless ghoul |
| 13:15.59 | Mikk | and he wondered how that could be, and whose soul it actually was in the shard |
| 13:23.44 | Adys | is there a way to toggle a pitbull4 group frame easily? |
| 13:23.54 | Adys | shade it or something |
| 13:25.40 | mikma | mikk: soulless ghoul? |
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| 13:29.02 | Lopeppeppy | Today is not a good day for the internets. |
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| 13:38.39 | alestane | Apparently not. |
| 13:38.57 | alestane | Prize quote for yesterday: "You're a paladin. Stop using bandaids." |
| 13:39.21 | Lopeppeppy | I only just got my browsers to properly accept cookies. 40 minutes wasted on malfunctioning browsers. |
| 13:42.37 | Shirik|zZz | claims victory over the internets |
| 13:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | is bigger than Shirik! |
| 13:42.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 13:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 13:44.07 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:44.09 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | Aw, be nice. |
| 13:44.58 | Fisker | i am nice :( |
| 13:45.04 | Fisker | but Kalroth lied to me |
| 13:45.09 | Shirik | "Your password has expired. Please contact administrator to reset it." |
| 13:45.11 | Fisker | promised me a google wave invite |
| 13:45.13 | Shirik | that's nice. |
| 13:45.18 | Shirik | I can't reset my own password? |
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| 13:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | That's not good, Shirik. |
| 13:48.55 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 13:49.56 | Shirik | funny part is my blackberry is really pissed off |
| 13:50.11 | Shirik | it keeps crashing when it tries to access the mail associated with that account |
| 13:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | What did you do to it, poor crackberry |
| 13:51.27 | mikma | haha |
| 13:51.43 | mikma | draenei female /train -sound has been swapped with /chicken |
| 13:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 13:52.15 | alestane | That sounds like an oops. |
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| 13:52.52 | mikma | try it ingame :D |
| 13:52.57 | mikma | pop a train-set next to draenei female |
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| 13:55.45 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 13:55.47 | Fisker | got google wave? |
| 13:56.40 | Shirik | nope |
| 13:56.45 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy won't even let me in google voice |
| 13:57.17 | Shirik | I have google nothing |
| 13:58.42 | Fisker | we must go on a quest Shirik |
| 13:58.56 | Shirik | a quest for google? |
| 13:59.00 | Fisker | indeed |
| 13:59.17 | Shirik | is it on wowhead? |
| 13:59.46 | Fisker | nope |
| 13:59.50 | Fisker | it's on Kalroth |
| 14:00.09 | Fisker | he's either trolling me or trying to |
| 14:00.10 | Fisker | :o |
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| 14:02.18 | Shirik | trolling a troll? |
| 14:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I've been having serious net issues all day, bad cookies, unable to connect... I think there was a tsunami in the google wave or something. |
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| 14:04.36 | Shirik | google tsunami |
| 14:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | *whoooosh* Everything swept away! |
| 14:05.10 | Shirik | omg |
| 14:05.11 | Shirik | best idea ever |
| 14:05.38 | industrial | dont live near the beach. |
| 14:05.40 | Shirik | google tsunami: instead of searching for something, it randomly picks sites for you to go to |
| 14:05.46 | industrial | well, I'm not the one to talk - I live below sea level :p |
| 14:05.46 | Shirik | and just floods you with choices |
| 14:05.55 | industrial | got dykes? :P |
| 14:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 14:05.59 | industrial | (we do!) |
| 14:06.05 | Lopeppeppy | has a morbid sense of humor. |
| 14:08.56 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 14:08.59 | Shirik | we <3 you |
| 14:10.24 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *happy wiggle* |
| 14:10.48 | industrial | ^^ |
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| 14:16.26 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: giev my wave |
| 14:18.06 | industrial | youtube myspace and I'll google your yahoo |
| 14:18.06 | industrial | it needs more wave. |
| 14:18.27 | Fisker | something is wrong Shirik |
| 14:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | sounds kinky |
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| 14:23.58 | Adys | [17:06:20] <@Shirik> google tsunami: instead of searching for something, it randomly picks sites for you to go to |
| 14:24.02 | Adys | theres something like this |
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| 14:30.05 | Fisker | but it's not called google tsunami |
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| 14:46.08 | Fisker | Shirik i have a problem |
| 14:46.13 | alestane | My network seems to be having issues, I'm going to go reset everything. |
| 14:46.54 | Lopeppeppy | My network also is borked... that's why I suggested the tsunami thing. |
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| 14:59.29 | Fisker | hello |
| 15:00.04 | zenzelezz | y helo thar |
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| 15:06.53 | alestane | My modem seems to be having trouble staying in sync with my ISP. |
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| 15:29.05 | mikma | cries because of the Thassarien 2+4 set bonus |
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| 15:46.00 | Adys | ~wwlogs |
| 15:46.01 | purl | You are probably looking for http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/ |
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| 15:54.31 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 15:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi, Lunessa |
| 15:54.38 | Lunessa | hi hi |
| 15:54.42 | nevcairiel | Adys, pong |
| 15:54.45 | Adys | nevcairiel: convert: image does not have a EXIF thumbnail `desolace_landscape.jpg.thumbnail' @ thumbnail.c/WriteTHUMBNAILImage/182. |
| 15:54.55 | Adys | adys@azura:~/src/bzr/sigrie$ convert desolace_landscape.jpg -thumbnail 300x300 -gravity Center -extent 300x300 desolace_landscape.jpg.thumbnail |
| 15:55.14 | nevcairiel | it probably doesnt like the invalid extension ;) |
| 15:55.19 | Adys | oh |
| 15:55.20 | Adys | doh |
| 15:55.37 | Adys | tyty |
| 15:56.05 | Adys | nevcairiel: ah 2nd question |
| 15:56.08 | nevcairiel | if you insist on that name, you can force a specific format |
| 15:56.16 | Adys | nah its fine |
| 15:56.33 | Adys | but is there any way to make sure there will be no "blank" space |
| 15:56.37 | Adys | even if the image isnt square? |
| 15:57.10 | nevcairiel | i am not sure what you mean |
| 15:57.15 | olafski | transparency? |
| 15:57.17 | Adys | one sec |
| 15:58.26 | Adys | nevcairiel: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/desolace_landscape.thumbnail.jpg |
| 15:59.07 | olafski | I guess the best you can do is make the picture something like 300x200 instead of 300x300 |
| 15:59.27 | nevcairiel | Adys, well didn't you want it to always be 300x300 without destroying the AR? |
| 15:59.48 | Adys | only if it means it wont leave blanks |
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| 16:00.08 | olafski | or you could crop it to always be 300x300 |
| 16:00.28 | zenzelezz | "Jack Thompson has sued Facebook for US$40 million, saying that the social networking site harmed him by not removing angry postings made by Facebook gamers." <-- do we really have to resort to killing this guy to get him to shut the hell up? |
| 16:00.38 | ArrowmasterClass | yes |
| 16:00.57 | nevcairiel | -thumbnail 300x300 will always scale it in a way that preserves AR, -extent then adds borders to make it real 300x300 |
| 16:01.07 | Adys | ah |
| 16:01.25 | ArrowmasterClass | get me a high powered sniper rifle and ill do it, preferably anti material |
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| 16:01.33 | nevcairiel | I thought thats what you wanted yesterday =P |
| 16:01.36 | cog|work | ~huggle Lunessa, Lopeppeppy, |Jelly|_, but not fisker or ackis |
| 16:01.42 | Adys | well, hm |
| 16:01.53 | Adys | its for screenshot thumbnails on the db |
| 16:01.53 | alestane | At least now he needs to hire someone else to represent thim. |
| 16:01.56 | alestane | him* |
| 16:02.01 | Lunessa | Hi hi cog|work. |
| 16:02.03 | Adys | but I dunno maybe Ill use png |
| 16:02.12 | cog|work | j/k |
| 16:02.13 | Adys | make them smaller |
| 16:02.15 | cog|work | ~huggle Ackis |
| 16:02.21 | Adys | how do you give a bg color? |
| 16:02.23 | Adys | as in |
| 16:02.26 | nevcairiel | -background |
| 16:02.27 | Adys | how do you make them transparent |
| 16:02.30 | nevcairiel | -background green |
| 16:02.38 | Adys | actually |
| 16:02.43 | nevcairiel | hm, let me check if trasnparent is special |
| 16:02.45 | olafski | jpg doesn't support transparency :o |
| 16:02.47 | Adys | fuck transparency, i dont need -extent at all then? |
| 16:02.52 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:02.54 | Adys | thats why I said png |
| 16:02.56 | nevcairiel | also drop -gravity |
| 16:03.00 | olafski | ah sorry didn't see that :P |
| 16:03.05 | nevcairiel | its only an attribute to extent |
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| 16:04.00 | Adys | nevcairiel: you win <3 |
| 16:04.09 | Adys | and imagemagick too |
| 16:04.09 | Adys | convert desolace_landscape.jpg -thumbnail 300x300 desolace_landscape.thumbnail.jpg |
| 16:07.30 | olafski | I wuv imagemagick |
| 16:07.42 | olafski | though gd2 is nice too :< |
| 16:07.57 | Lunessa | It's good to be alive. |
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| 16:10.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad you're feeling a bit better, Lunessa |
| 16:11.45 | Lunessa | Thanks Peppy-dear. My boss and my office-mate are making jokes about how I should have stayed home today too. But they're actually happy I'm here. |
| 16:12.22 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, marked improvement! But keep drinking fluids and stuff. *hug* |
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| 16:21.42 | Adys | bash pros: is there a way to move a file to another folder, creating its path if necessary, in a single line? |
| 16:22.04 | Adys | equivalent of mkdir -p /foo/woo/; mv bar /foo/woo |
| 16:22.18 | ArrowmasterClass | look at the mv man page? |
| 16:23.04 | Adys | doesnt say much |
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| 16:25.00 | alestane | Wouldn't it be -R, or something? |
| 16:25.11 | durcyn | R just recurses the source |
| 16:25.19 | nevcairiel | i don't think mv can do that, at least i havent heard about it |
| 16:25.32 | Adys | hm thats what i feared nevcairiel |
| 16:25.41 | durcyn | why's it need to be a one-liner? |
| 16:25.41 | nevcairiel | just make it two command? :) |
| 16:25.47 | Adys | bleh |
| 16:25.47 | Adys | :p |
| 16:26.02 | ArrowmasterClass | make it 3 |
| 16:26.29 | alestane | If you're using bash, I think using && instead of ; will make the second command contingent on the completion of the first. |
| 16:26.57 | nevcairiel | next server being restarted |
| 16:27.39 | ArrowmasterClass | mkdir -p /foo/woo/ && mv bar /foo/woo || rmdir /foo/woo |
| 16:27.39 | ArrowmasterClass | removes the dir if it fails |
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| 16:27.55 | Adys | does -p work if every directory already exists? |
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| 16:28.15 | nevcairiel | Adys, yes |
| 16:28.22 | nevcairiel | just a noop operation |
| 16:28.23 | durcyn | -p creates whatever portion of the path is missing |
| 16:28.23 | nevcairiel | no error |
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| 16:48.10 | Shishire | I can't get on to wow right now to check, but can I use string.find()? |
| 16:48.27 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 16:48.53 | Shishire | good. because I know that WoW doesn't implement some of the libraries |
| 16:49.00 | Shishire | like the io one... |
| 16:49.24 | alestane | I believe it implements the entire string library. It does not implement sys, io, debug or package. |
| 16:49.57 | Shishire | cool :D |
| 16:50.18 | alestane | It also implements table, math, coroutine and bitlib. |
| 16:51.18 | alestane | The sys library is properly called "os" (my bad), but it doesn't really matter since it's not present. |
| 16:54.30 | alestane | "im a destro lock and i would like a macro to repeat life tap every 40 seconds so the spell power bonus it grants will stay up. That way i wont have to think about including it in my rotation" |
| 16:54.43 | Shishire | O.o |
| 16:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 16:54.48 | alestane | And we wonder why people think warlocks are all facerollers... |
| 16:54.50 | ScytheBlade1 | points for honesty |
| 16:55.00 | Shishire | wtb 1 key DPS? |
| 16:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | wtb 1 key healing, kk? |
| 16:55.36 | Shishire | wtb 1 key pwnage = martin fury |
| 16:55.38 | alestane | it gets even better... "...That way i wont have to think about including it in my rotation but i want to be able to turn that macro off when im not in a boss fight so my health dosent melt away. any suggestions? " |
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| 16:57.50 | alestane | Sadly, it's not usually appropriate for MVPs to jump in and say "PLAY THE GODDAMNED GAME ALREADY." |
| 16:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, less the profanity, that'd make a great signature |
| 16:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 17:00.07 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/10/01/political-pictures-certain-age/ |
| 17:00.44 | cog|work | people who get all "don't use the lord's name in vain" over "goddamn" piss me off. Don't they know that God isn't God's name? |
| 17:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | well I meant for the forum censor :P |
| 17:01.42 | cog|work | yes, but that's why it censors it ;) |
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| 17:01.54 | cog|work | because people don't even know the name of their god |
| 17:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, all right, just as long as you aren't raging at me ;) |
| 17:02.27 | Lopeppeppy | I serve a dual goddess. *muttermuttercatsmutter* |
| 17:03.13 | Mikk | i tend to stick my pinky and index finger up and smile like a crazy man |
| 17:03.25 | Mikk | has gotten rid of more than one jehovas' witness |
| 17:03.29 | zenzelezz | up where? |
| 17:03.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:04.13 | Mikk | a friend of mine took it a step further |
| 17:04.24 | Mikk | asked them to explain a litle |
| 17:04.51 | ArrowmasterClass | i live around rednecks, i dont have issues with jehovas witness |
| 17:05.06 | Mikk | and then says "Well, MY god doesn't require me to go sit and listen to sermons and stuff like that. The ceremonies tend to stink up the apartment a bit though. Especially last week's lamb. I still have it in the bedroom, wanna come in and see?" |
| 17:05.21 | Mikk | apparently they got very white in the face and took off in a hurry |
| 17:05.24 | Shishire | lol |
| 17:05.25 | Lopeppeppy | sacrifical animals are supposed to be cooked afterward. |
| 17:05.35 | alestane | cog|work: If I remember right, even "Jehovah" is an anglicization of a latinization of a Hebrew acronym, not a name. |
| 17:05.45 | Shishire | yup |
| 17:05.59 | Mikk | Yahve or something ilke that |
| 17:06.06 | Shishire | most historians now believe it was originally pronounced Yaweh |
| 17:06.06 | alestane | I think YHVH stands for something like "I am that I am." |
| 17:06.08 | zenzelezz | Are there any women here? |
| 17:06.08 | Mikk | dredges up fuzzy memories |
| 17:06.19 | Mikk | No, just peppy & cair. |
| 17:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem, we ARE women, Mikk. Don't make me destroy you. |
| 17:06.39 | Mikk | ^^ |
| 17:07.31 | ArrowmasterClass | lol teacher left this online test set to 'max attempts 2' |
| 17:07.43 | ArrowmasterClass | the tests give you all the answers at the end |
| 17:07.49 | Shishire | ahaha |
| 17:07.51 | Shishire | nice |
| 17:07.56 | Mikk | bwhaha |
| 17:08.24 | Shishire | that reminds me of some guy who took an ethics certification test online and found the answers in the source code |
| 17:08.32 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:08.50 | nevcairiel | If you score 100%, you don't pass, because you fail on ethics? :P |
| 17:08.54 | Shishire | lol |
| 17:08.59 | cog|work | alestane: actually it's not an acronym. Written hebrew doesn't have vowells |
| 17:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you awake? |
| 17:09.11 | cog|work | it really is a word, but no one alive today knows how it was originally pronounced |
| 17:09.41 | cog|work | Jehova certainly is an anglicization, though. More recently, Yahweh has been a popular spelling. |
| 17:09.47 | Shishire | Yaweh and Jehovah are two different attempts at putting vowels in to the Yud-Hey-Vav-Hey |
| 17:10.11 | Shishire | I'd write it out in hebrew, but I'm not sure if freenode supports UTF-8 |
| 17:10.29 | cog|work | Shishire: it does. clients (and the fonts they use) on the other hand... |
| 17:10.36 | Shishire | heh, good point |
| 17:10.40 | Duman | heh |
| 17:10.43 | Duman | <- text client ;) |
| 17:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | < -- Trillian with NO extra fontage! |
| 17:10.58 | Shishire | what, as opposed to a 3D client? |
| 17:11.22 | cog|work | Duman: same here but i still have full utf-8 support ;) |
| 17:11.33 | cog|work | (though i usually use a font which doesn't) |
| 17:11.49 | Shishire | <-- Colloquy, but only because my work forces me to use a mac. I normally use mIRC :P |
| 17:11.53 | Fisker | i gotta pee cog|work |
| 17:12.21 | alestane | "You're listening to WTMI...more than you ever wanted to know!" |
| 17:12.26 | cog|work | <-- ssh+screen+irssi ;) |
| 17:12.33 | Shishire | ooh, nice |
| 17:12.33 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 17:12.40 | cog|work | pees on Fisker |
| 17:12.51 | Fisker | stop it |
| 17:12.53 | Shishire | I've never been brave enough to try irssi |
| 17:15.48 | durcyn | what's courage have to do with it, if you can find your alt key you can use irssi |
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| 17:17.03 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:18.39 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:18.47 | Fisker | hows our quest going? |
| 17:18.56 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large Shirik |
| 17:19.32 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:19.38 | Fisker | wanna join our quest cog|work ? |
| 17:19.41 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello, Shirik |
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| 17:30.43 | Lunessa | colloquy is love |
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| 17:31.25 | Shishire | meh... it's got too much eye-candy for my personal taste, but that's just me |
| 17:32.28 | Lopeppeppy | Love is for the weak and mentally deficient! |
| 17:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Why are resto druid glyphs and talents so awesome |
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| 17:33.48 | alestane | If by "eye-candy" you mean "an icon in the corner." |
| 17:33.56 | cog|work | Audio is NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sTkEfrdErs |
| 17:34.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Love is for getting a little somethin'-somethin' and not having to feel guilty afterwards. |
| 17:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, that's still just lust. Guilt is not exclusive. |
| 17:35.14 | Lunessa | You going to rain on my parade all day, or do I get a break at 5pm? :P |
| 17:35.49 | Shishire | meh, call me an old fashioned kinda guy. I always have, and always will love the look of Classic-mode mIRC with 4 channel windows tiled. |
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| 17:39.31 | Lopeppeppy | I will graciously allow you a lunch break at 1pm, if you so desire. *sniff* |
| 17:39.52 | Lunessa | starts clock-watching. |
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| 17:59.33 | NightHawkTheSane | weee.. http://www.wordsplay.net/ |
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| 18:10.53 | Shirik | I love getting sponsorship |
| 18:10.54 | Shirik | s |
| 18:11.02 | Shirik | getting emails saying "Here's $36000" is awesoe |
| 18:11.04 | Shirik | awesome |
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| 18:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe you should invest some of that in a typing tutor |
| 18:12.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:12.13 | Shirik | I should invest it in a better keyboard |
| 18:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | (That was WAY too easy) |
| 18:12.32 | Thunder_Child | invest it in someone to do your work for you |
| 18:12.46 | cog|work | Shirik: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104bl.html imo |
| 18:14.47 | Shirik | old school huh |
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| 18:15.46 | cog|work | it's one of those once-you-try-it-and-get-used-to-it-you'll-never-go-back sorta things... |
| 18:16.30 | Thunder_Child | not for 70$ it isnt |
| 18:19.12 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: sure, if you completely ignore the improvements in usability and durability... |
| 18:20.47 | Lunessa | I like my ergo keyboard. I really wish the Kinesis keyboards weren't so pricy. |
| 18:21.32 | Lunessa | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ |
| 18:21.45 | Lunessa | But at $359 a pop... |
| 18:21.48 | cog|work | http://www.dansdata.com/ibmkeyboard.htm <-- Thunder_Child: see "Why bother?" |
| 18:23.24 | Thunder_Child | $70 a 'click'? i think i know when i hit a key |
| 18:24.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I can't stand ergo keyboards |
| 18:24.16 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: which is why i described it as "one of those once-you-try-it-and-get-used-to-it-you'll-never-go-back sorta things..." ... cynics like you could rationalize yourself out of eating, imo |
| 18:24.40 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:25.02 | cog|work | hates ergo keyboards too |
| 18:25.40 | Thunder_Child | i may be a cynic but at least i know when to quit |
| 18:25.55 | Lunessa | I love ergo keyboards. The invention of such devices means I didn't have to change careers or give up computer gaming. |
| 18:26.13 | Thunder_Child | if they started charging $150 for the board would you still buy it cog|work? |
| 18:26.34 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: why would i? the one i have should last the rest of my life :> |
| 18:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | senses that cog|work has one of the most awesome keyboards ever invented |
| 18:28.05 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: i'm sure many people would agree ;) There are people still using their original IBM keyboards (same model, essentially) from 20+ years ago |
| 18:28.22 | cog|work | (and paying > $150 a pop today) |
| 18:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got one |
| 18:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | loves it dearly |
| 18:29.33 | Shishire | meh... I've used too many keyboards over the years to really have a preference. As long as all the keys work, and it's a qwerty (I can't type dvorak), I'm good :D |
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| 18:31.29 | cog|work | <3 dvorak (but only 'cause i'm weird, not for any rational justification...) |
| 18:32.06 | cog|work | Unicomp even made me custom key caps so i could have home row nubs on my U and H keys (and no nubs on the F & J) |
| 18:32.28 | Shishire | I'd love dvorak if I could ever manage to learn it. It's just so...different :( |
| 18:33.15 | Shishire | heh, I should look into a programmer's dvorak board at some point. Those look nice |
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| 18:33.23 | cog|work | it only takes a week or two of consistent use to basically get the layout down, but then you'll be slower on both keyboards for a while until you really get used to it |
| 18:34.31 | nevcairiel | it would confuse me way too much |
| 18:34.36 | nevcairiel | and i can already type pretty fast |
| 18:34.39 | nevcairiel | so why change =P |
| 18:35.05 | ScytheBlade1 | longevity |
| 18:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | One format was made for typewriters, another for people |
| 18:35.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Guess which is nicer for day to day use :P |
| 18:35.40 | Shishire | :P |
| 18:35.52 | nevcairiel | I have nothing to complain about |
| 18:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | And you won't until you try it |
| 18:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, I've tried and failed miserably |
| 18:36.28 | nevcairiel | also your argument is weird, i can build a typewriter and reoder the keys like i want o.O |
| 18:36.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Not back when they were first invented |
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| 18:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | qwerty was designed to keep keys from jamming |
| 18:37.51 | cog|work | Ahhhh, cognitive dissonance... http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54833 |
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| 18:39.08 | durcyn | ScytheBlade1: isn't that an urban legend |
| 18:39.14 | cog|work | durcyn: no |
| 18:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 18:39.26 | cog|work | the urban legend was that it was designed to slow down typists |
| 18:39.34 | cog|work | (with the same goal, but still false) |
| 18:40.21 | cog|work | There actually isn't any firm data supporting dvorak's superiority, and there is fairly strong data that it isn't any better (or worse) |
| 18:40.55 | cog|work | Hence my earlier disclaimer about only using it because i'm weird ;) |
| 18:42.26 | Shishire | meh, regular dvorak may or may not be any better, but programmer's dvorak puts all your symbols at your fingertips. (literally) |
| 18:42.32 | Lunessa | QWERTY exists for the same reason your telephone keypad is not standard 10-Key - because the tech of the time couldn't handle the speeds humans could get to. |
| 18:42.33 | zenzelezz | I could never use a dvorak keyboard, because I can't stand the guy with the same last name |
| 18:42.38 | zenzelezz | he just gets on my nerves |
| 18:42.44 | zenzelezz | *keyboard layout |
| 18:43.08 | cog|work | Shishire: or you could just use a wrist-friendly language ;) |
| 18:43.21 | Shishire | but I like perl! |
| 18:43.24 | Shishire | and php |
| 18:43.27 | Shishire | and C++ |
| 18:43.29 | Shishire | etc |
| 18:43.51 | Lopeppeppy | hates newsletters |
| 18:44.05 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: y u h8?= |
| 18:45.07 | Lopeppeppy | Formatting sucks, newsletters suck, sheeple suck, and thusly, I have h8! |
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| 19:04.01 | alestane | Ah yes, it's Thursday. |
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| 19:05.15 | cog|work | lol... when did they change their minds about C++0x being hexadecimal? |
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| 19:06.20 | zenzelezz | hexadecimal? |
| 19:06.44 | cog|work | originally x was a placeholder... if the standard was published this year it would've been c++09 |
| 19:07.15 | cog|work | so everyone thought it would be c++10 or c++11 instead, now that it's not going to be out in a 0x year |
| 19:08.12 | cog|work | http://www.devx.com/cplus/Article/42448/1954?pf=true |
| 19:08.20 | cog|work | "For now, the committee need to wraps up and ship C++0x ("x" is becoming hexadecimal) and implementations must be completed (some features and libraries are shipping already), so that people can start benefiting from the committee's hard work." |
| 19:08.40 | zenzelezz | yes; I red your original statement as "they intended it to be hexadecimal, now it won't be" |
| 19:08.40 | zenzelezz | *read |
| 19:08.40 | cog|work | ah |
| 19:08.47 | zenzelezz | was wondering what I had missed :) |
| 19:08.58 | cog|work | :) |
| 19:13.18 | alestane | In other words, they're going to need a bigger digit than 9. |
| 19:13.48 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 19:14.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:14.09 | cog|work | now we need to start a pool on what that extra digit will be. I'm guessing B but hoping for A |
| 19:14.13 | Shirik | JIRA crashed |
| 19:14.35 | Shirik | java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 19:14.38 | cog|work | (or at least close enough to A that VS2010 will support most of the features) |
| 19:14.40 | Shirik | epic fail |
| 19:14.59 | Shirik | lol cog|work |
| 19:15.07 | Shirik | I think the official name is still C++0x |
| 19:15.19 | Shirik | oh that's what you said |
| 19:15.31 | Shirik | I think it's because nobody wants to make the shift from C++0x to C++1x |
| 19:15.47 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 19:16.02 | Shirik | Though some people are (unofficially) calling it C++1x as I have seen |
| 19:16.20 | Shirik | eI would hope that they do in fact call the final version C++11 or whatever |
| 19:16.25 | Shirik | and not something like C++0A |
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| 19:16.46 | nevcairiel | they should just keep C++0x .. i thought it was a cool name :P |
| 19:16.50 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:17.03 | cog|work | or do C++0xA |
| 19:17.14 | Shirik | ow |
| 19:17.17 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:17.21 | nevcairiel | thats good too :P |
| 19:17.23 | zenzelezz | c++0xFF |
| 19:17.41 | cog|work | imo humans should've evolved with three fingers and a thumb. |
| 19:17.52 | Shirik | to make counting in hex easier? |
| 19:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | I'd settle for just two working thumbs. Owies. |
| 19:18.04 | alestane | "C++: The Final Frontier"? |
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| 19:21.53 | alestane | cog|work: Just ignore your thumbs? |
| 19:22.31 | Shishire | umm... fooFrame:SetScript("OnDragStart", fooFrame.StartMoving); what happens when that executes? I tried using fooFrame:StartMoving, but it gave me an error. |
| 19:22.57 | alestane | Only use the : when youre actually calling it. |
| 19:23.04 | alestane | Or defining it. Just use the . to refer to it. |
| 19:23.21 | cog|work | alestane: Shirik: not for me, for all of society. if we had evolved with 8 digits, everyone would be using base 8. Really, any power of 2 >= 4 would work for me. |
| 19:23.23 | Shishire | oh really? so lua is smart enough to figure out what I want? |
| 19:23.24 | Lopeppeppy | OMG sheeple are d-u-m -- DUMB! :) |
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| 19:24.07 | alestane | Shishire: object:method(args) comes out the same as object.method(object, args). |
| 19:24.39 | alestane | The only difference is that if you use the : syntax, and object is an expression, it will only be evaluated once. |
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| 19:25.11 | Shishire | no, I know that, but I want to make sure that lua goes ahead and calls it with self in the first arg |
| 19:26.08 | Shishire | or fooFrame rather, but you get my point |
| 19:26.26 | Shishire | hey, if it works, I'm happy :D |
| 19:26.37 | cog|work | it will. that's part of the definition of SetScript. The first parameter it passes to the function is always the frame that handled the event |
| 19:26.49 | alestane | Lua can't tell the difference between a function that should be called with any set of parameters. |
| 19:26.56 | cog|work | that you call it 'self' is irrelevant |
| 19:27.02 | Shishire | ah. cool :D |
| 19:27.17 | alestane | fooFrame.StartMoving expects the first arg to be the frame to start moving. |
| 19:27.48 | alestane | The OnDragStart script (or any frame script) is always called with the frame on which the script was triggered as its first arg. |
| 19:28.40 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yes, please share the latest stupidity! |
| 19:29.29 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, did you know that if you attempt to enter an event for LAST YEAR into the calendar, it will throw an exception and not allow it? OMG, how evil. |
| 19:29.45 | Shishire | lol |
| 19:29.52 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Crushing. |
| 19:30.29 | alestane | Shishire: If it makes it any easier to remember, think of . as the "index by name" operator and : as the "index by name and call" operator. |
| 19:30.41 | Shishire | :D |
| 19:31.09 | Shishire | I didn't know that the : auto-called it. I just thought it was sugar for sticking the obj in the first param |
| 19:31.24 | Shishire | 'course now that I think about it, that makes no sense, so... |
| 19:31.27 | Lopeppeppy | I know Lunessa, isn't it evil? I hate the really bad sheeple, they make me bald. |
| 19:31.42 | Lunessa | Bald peppy is not goo, m'kaY? |
| 19:31.49 | Shirik | cog|work |
| 19:31.52 | Shirik | >= is evil |
| 19:31.54 | Shirik | as is <= |
| 19:32.01 | Shirik | I have determined this fact |
| 19:32.10 | Shirik | What does <= mean? |
| 19:32.20 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bInZ7_y4Lw |
| 19:32.22 | Shirik | I know of languages where it means two different things! |
| 19:32.37 | Ackis | I want B====D to be syntax in some code |
| 19:32.50 | Shirik | I made ^_^ a C++ operator |
| 19:32.53 | Shirik | in one of my header files |
| 19:32.55 | alestane | Generally it means "less than or equal to". |
| 19:32.58 | cog|work | Ackis: B==D is |
| 19:33.00 | Lopeppeppy | Bald peppy is very gooey. |
| 19:33.14 | Shirik | ^_^ means "assert not equal" |
| 19:33.17 | Ackis | what is bald peppy? |
| 19:33.18 | Shirik | so |
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| 19:33.21 | Shirik | foo ^_^ NULL |
| 19:33.25 | Shirik | ^ valid C++ code |
| 19:33.44 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, a Peppy who pulled out all of her hair! |
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| 19:34.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: stop pulling out YOUR hair, and start pulling out THEIRS. makes things better all around. |
| 19:34.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, nice help desk tip, NHTS! |
| 19:35.43 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: ok thought it may have been brazillian peppy! ;) |
| 19:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
| 19:36.10 | alestane | Itchy. |
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| 19:40.14 | Lunessa | Trust Ackis to hit below the belt. |
| 19:41.42 | cog|work | peels himself away from the conversation |
| 19:42.09 | Shirik | UNIX gurus |
| 19:42.11 | Shirik | grep "\\^" `find .` |
| 19:42.15 | Shirik | why is wrong to find a ^ in a file? |
| 19:46.20 | nevcairiel | works for me |
| 19:46.20 | Shirik | It sends my terminal to hell |
| 19:46.21 | Shirik | like random shit thrown all over the place |
| 19:46.21 | nevcairiel | it dies if the list returned from file is way too long |
| 19:46.21 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 19:46.21 | nevcairiel | from find |
| 19:46.21 | Shirik | xargs then |
| 19:46.21 | nevcairiel | even then, probably |
| 19:46.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:46.21 | Shirik | wtb solution that can tell me what file it's in |
| 19:46.21 | Shirik | I'm looking for my ^_^ code |
| 19:46.21 | nevcairiel | i suppose you do need recursive searching |
| 19:46.21 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:46.21 | Shirik | I was originally using grep * |
| 19:47.26 | amro | Shirik: http://betterthangrep.com/ |
| 19:47.46 | nevcairiel | find . -exec grep -H "\\^" {} \; |
| 19:47.47 | Duman | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:48.03 | Duman | -exec makes me cry; use xargs ;) |
| 19:48.45 | nevcairiel | if the list is way too long, xargs is evil |
| 19:49.02 | Duman | xargs is better if the list is long |
| 19:49.23 | Duman | altho if you ahve spaces in your filenames, you'll need to use -print0 in the find |
| 19:49.34 | Duman | and tell xargs -0 as well |
| 19:50.14 | Shirik | Duman: I'm trying to find ^_^ in some C++ file |
| 19:50.21 | Shirik | to prove it's valid C++ code |
| 19:50.37 | Duman | find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 egrep '\^_\^' |
| 19:50.47 | cog|work | meh... too easy to describe how it's valid, imo... |
| 19:50.57 | Shirik | but I have code, cog|work |
| 19:50.58 | cog|work | _ is a variable of a type with overloaded ^ operator |
| 19:52.26 | Shirik | admit it is quite epic |
| 19:52.37 | Shirik | actually doing anything with ^_^ is a little more challenging than that statement cog|work |
| 19:52.52 | Shirik | because if you want ^_^ to work as an operator, you need to know the left and right side |
| 19:52.57 | Shirik | which you do not know at the same time |
| 19:54.49 | Shirik | wtf is egrep anyway |
| 19:55.52 | Shirik | ~wtf egrep |
| 19:55.59 | Shirik | ~wtf grep |
| 19:56.04 | Shirik | ........... |
| 19:56.08 | jnwhiteh | egrep is just grep -e |
| 19:56.10 | jnwhiteh | isn't it? |
| 19:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | try man egrep |
| 19:56.24 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 19:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | and sigh @ jnwhiteh spoiling my fun :P |
| 19:56.32 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 19:56.48 | nevcairiel | actually, its grep -E |
| 19:56.51 | nevcairiel | but same thing :P |
| 19:56.52 | Shirik | man grep not working |
| 19:56.57 | Shirik | no response to input |
| 19:57.05 | Shirik | too busy outputting millions of lines |
| 19:57.16 | NightHawkTheSane | extended grep |
| 19:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | woops, wrong window |
| 19:57.32 | nevcairiel | Interpret PATTERN as an extended regular expression (ERE, see below). (-E is specified by POSIX.) |
| 19:57.34 | nevcairiel | egrep ^ |
| 19:57.57 | zenzelezz | is egrep an actual separate program, or just an alias for grep -E? |
| 19:58.05 | nevcairiel | alias |
| 19:58.09 | Shishire | internal alias |
| 19:58.23 | nevcairiel | grep just checks argv[0] for the appname |
| 19:58.30 | nevcairiel | in simple terms :P |
| 19:58.57 | zenzelezz | had trouble convincing some of my workmates about this |
| 19:59.22 | zenzelezz | one of them is also always touting rgrep over grep -r |
| 19:59.39 | nevcairiel | wtf is rgrep |
| 19:59.48 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty sure it's just some fancy alias too |
| 19:59.53 | zenzelezz | my system's never had an rgrep |
| 19:59.56 | Shishire | recursive I think |
| 20:00.02 | Shishire | it's... not usual |
| 20:00.35 | nevcairiel | -r is recursive alright, but i don't think the default grep package comes with a rgrep alias o.O |
| 20:01.20 | Shishire | I've seen it once... but it was like weird and everything |
| 20:01.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i have an rgrep, but its in /usr/bin, not /bin |
| 20:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | although man grep lists 'grep,egrep,fgrep,rgrep..' odd.. |
| 20:02.50 | nevcairiel | grep, egrep, fgrep - print lines matching a pattern |
| 20:02.52 | nevcairiel | not mine ^ |
| 20:03.02 | zenzelezz | mine doesn't mention rgrep either |
| 20:03.41 | alestane | Just seen in LFG chat: "55 Holy Spec priest LFG BRD/BRS/Dire Maul - ISO 9001 Health Certified." |
| 20:03.48 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 20:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 20:04.10 | Shishire | lol |
| 20:04.12 | Shishire | nice |
| 20:06.04 | NightHawkTheSane | it must be a bitch to maintain iso9001 certification on a holy priest. |
| 20:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | I can certify any of them as crazy, that's easy |
| 20:06.30 | NightHawkTheSane | or for any healer, really |
| 20:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I'm crazy |
| 20:07.31 | NightHawkTheSane | thats hardly news. ;) |
| 20:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, yeah, pot calling kettle. :) |
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| 20:19.52 | amro | any idea why I'd get this while closing a lua state? |
| 20:19.52 | amro | alutExit(); |
| 20:19.52 | amro | delete mainCam; |
| 20:19.52 | amro | delete scriptEngine; |
| 20:19.56 | amro | oops |
| 20:20.17 | amro | 134 if (!(iswhite(curr) || all) || isfinalized(gco2u(curr))) |
| 20:20.21 | amro | in lgc.c |
| 20:20.40 | amro | segfaults at that line |
| 20:21.18 | zenzelezz | try dividing it up into multiple lines to see which function call is breaking? |
| 20:21.43 | Shishire | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html Fire Nova Totem: This totem has been replaced with a new spell, Fire Nova. Anyone know if it counts as coming from the player? i.e, shammies finally get a usable AoE? |
| 20:22.48 | nevcairiel | oh i missed the notes for 3.3 |
| 20:22.54 | Shishire | :D |
| 20:23.00 | nevcairiel | ptrs up already too? |
| 20:23.12 | Shishire | checking now |
| 20:23.35 | alestane | Rogues get dual-wielding from the get go? |
| 20:23.43 | Shishire | yup |
| 20:23.50 | mikma | lvl20? |
| 20:23.51 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wow ptr patch notes |
| 20:23.52 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: WoW -> Test Realm Patch Notes <http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html> |
| 20:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | clicks |
| 20:24.05 | Shishire | everyone else starts with a 2h, except for shammies |
| 20:24.06 | zenzelezz | upi cpiød |
| 20:24.08 | zenzelezz | oops |
| 20:24.19 | Shishire | who start with a 1h and a shield |
| 20:24.28 | amro | just tried again a few times, I get segfaults on different lines each time |
| 20:25.19 | zenzelezz | amro: no idea then; you'll have to hope some of the more lua savvy people wake up |
| 20:25.54 | nevcairiel | not much changes for a major change |
| 20:25.55 | nevcairiel | yet anyway |
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| 20:26.11 | Shishire | I believe the ptr is up. I just copied a char onto it, so... |
| 20:26.17 | Amarande | oy, I fail |
| 20:26.25 | nevcairiel | patch up somewhere? |
| 20:26.38 | Amarande | after an excellently performing night last night where I got to go to VOA25 and several heroics including TOC, and actually got the dagger and one other item |
| 20:26.54 | Amarande | I got so hasty to regem to make up the hit rating I lost from those upgrades that I ... forgot about my meta gem :| |
| 20:26.57 | cog|work | Shirik: http://pastey.net/125974 |
| 20:27.07 | cog|work | I'm sure it could be simplified a bit, but it works ;) |
| 20:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | I go home now. Bye bye! |
| 20:28.23 | Shishire | anyone know what's up with all the premade characters? overload of priests and pallies, and only a lvl 19 shammy. No Rogues or Druid either |
| 20:34.41 | Amarande | Shishire, I assume that's because people actually want to test content |
| 20:34.51 | Amarande | priests and pallies are more conducive to that, seeing as tanks and healers get groups so easily :) |
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| 20:37.07 | Shirik | omg lop |
| 20:37.09 | Shirik | bah |
| 20:37.21 | Shirik | yeah cog|work I think mine was a lot shorter |
| 20:37.22 | Shirik | but it works :) |
| 20:37.30 | Shirik | I used an enum I think |
| 20:37.31 | Shirik | instead of a class |
| 20:37.42 | cog|work | how not typesafe of you :P |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | it's typesafe |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | it's not perfect |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | but it's safe enough |
| 20:38.33 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | an int can't be implicitly cast to an enum |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | that's all that really matters |
| 20:39.02 | Shirik | anyway |
| 20:39.06 | Amarande | heh, QQ on the forums about how the argent dragonhawk makes the 100 mounts dragonhawk "less special" |
| 20:39.10 | Shirik | You know those instruments where you wave your hand over it |
| 20:39.12 | Amarande | I almost thought the poster was Alliance, but no, he's Horde |
| 20:39.13 | Shirik | and it plays music? |
| 20:39.17 | Amarande | Horde should be -used- to "less special" |
| 20:39.19 | Shirik | I just made one of those accidentally... |
| 20:40.15 | Amarande | (*cough* how the dungeons give Alliance easy access to our mount models ...) |
| 20:41.10 | Amarande | Pretty sure the only Horde mount model that's still a Horde exclusive is the wolf. |
| 20:41.52 | alestane | You guys have access to Ram and Cat, it's not *completely* one-sided. |
| 20:42.36 | Amarande | alestane: we get access to only 2 of yours, you get access to 4 of ours |
| 20:42.42 | Amarande | not to mention you can farm one of ours in a day :) |
| 20:42.53 | Amarande | assuming you don't have totally retarded luck anyway |
| 20:43.14 | alestane | Does my post imply that I didn't understand that? |
| 20:43.32 | Lunessa | For those of you who don't Facebook - http://www.spawnpoint.com/news/17247/Beckett_Celebrates_Top_Women_of_MMOs_With_Feature_Article_in_Massive_Online_Gamer |
| 20:43.38 | Amarande | (Could be the RNG favors Horde, seeing as I got my Deathcharger on my first run and my buddy told me that his fiancee, who's Alliance, had been farming Strat for weeks and still hadn't gotten it :D) |
| 20:44.00 | alestane | I haven't farmed it exhaustively, but I've made a fair effort and haven't seen it yet. |
| 20:44.03 | Amarande | maybe right now I'm just feeling a little bitter about Horde vs. Alliance because of my hitcap woes. |
| 20:44.17 | Amarande | Let's put it this way - I probably have to sacrifice *two* gems to go back over the hitcap right now |
| 20:44.22 | Amarande | while if I was Alliance, I would need to give up none. |
| 20:44.40 | Amarande | (And that's not counting the spellpower gem that I have to gimp down to a Twilight Opal because I need a second blue gem again for my meta now.) |
| 20:45.33 | Amarande | You know, they should get rid of that whole automatic exalted discount that people are QQing about for goblins in Cata |
| 20:45.42 | Amarande | and instead make goblins get some sort of 1% hit power like the space goats get :) |
| 20:45.53 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, on the other hand, that's the *only* significant bonus the draenai get |
| 20:46.18 | Amarande | Zorba: but it's a pretty significant and to some degree unbalancing one |
| 20:46.41 | Amarande | Alliance will always have slightly more DPS in raids (not sure how much, but slightly more) and an easier time gearing up, because of that bit of hit rating they don't need |
| 20:47.11 | ZorbaBeta | it's significant, but compared to some of the races that get crazy shit like "+5 expertise", it's not that unbalancing |
| 20:47.12 | Amarande | I was all stoked to get my T8 helm (just 24 more conquest badges! woot!) and now I realize I CAN'T GET IT |
| 20:47.13 | Amarande | Instead, I have to get the T8 robe and probably be stuck with an ilvl 187 helm till I can afford the T9 |
| 20:47.15 | Shishire | I'd take 1% hit over all my tauren abilities any day. |
| 20:47.24 | Amarande | or the T9 equivalent anyway, the 245 from triumph badges |
| 20:47.25 | Lunessa | Ghostcrawler specifically mentioned on more than one occasion at BlizzCon that they wanted to review racials and make them all cool bonuses or more or less equivalent power. |
| 20:47.50 | Amarande | there's a reason I am stuck with this stupid 187 hat of wintry doom while most of the rest of my gear has been going epic lately |
| 20:47.56 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, yeah, it's noticable, but you can't honestly compare 1% hit to Orc Blood Fury + Command + Axe Specialization and tell me that 1% hit is all that much better |
| 20:48.12 | Amarande | it's because caster hats with a meta socket -and- hit rating are a real bastard to come by :| |
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| 20:48.47 | ZorbaBeta | 1% hit vs. 40 AP + 5% pet damage + 5 expertise. that is a pile of bonus there. |
| 20:49.11 | Amarande | Zorba: you're a hunter |
| 20:49.18 | Amarande | and I'm not sure how important hit cap is for hunters vs. casters |
| 20:49.20 | Cide | grr, any swedes around_ |
| 20:49.20 | Cide | ? |
| 20:49.27 | ZorbaBeta | eh? I'm not a hunter :P |
| 20:49.33 | Amarande | I know it's mentioned as important, generally, but for casters it's always "OMG YOU MUST HAVE HIT CAP OR YOU NOOB" |
| 20:49.55 | ZorbaBeta | and yeah, it's *important*, but what I'm saying is that in terms of sheer itemization, you're not doing too badly |
| 20:50.06 | Amarande | You know, now I understand why people hate playing tanks. It must be just as annoying to juggle def cap. :) |
| 20:50.17 | ZorbaBeta | 1% hit is, what, 1.5 gems? |
| 20:50.31 | ZorbaBeta | pfft, def cap. def cap + expertise cap + hit cap |
| 20:50.39 | Amarande | Zorba: 21 hit rating, which means I'm stuck with 2 gems no matter how I slice or dice it |
| 20:50.53 | Amarande | one epic gem leaves me at 367, you need 368. |
| 20:50.57 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, 1.5 gems, remember you can get half-gems |
| 20:51.11 | ZorbaBeta | hit/spellpower or whatever else it is you'd be using otherwise |
| 20:51.28 | ZorbaBeta | also, that one point of hit rating may not be worth half a gem. |
| 20:51.59 | ZorbaBeta | Veiled Ametrine, there it is |
| 20:52.05 | Amarande | especially since once I get 24 more conquest badges, I can go back to not worrying about hit |
| 20:52.30 | Amarande | (and having wasted basically 600g since I'll be regemming yet again and those rigid ambers will be gone again ...) |
| 20:52.41 | Amarande | dang, I never realized how expensive gear progression is on the wallet :) |
| 20:52.47 | ZorbaBeta | yeah epic gems are pricey |
| 20:52.56 | ZorbaBeta | that's why I make tons of money off the AH ;) |
| 20:53.09 | Amarande | let's just put it this way, all that stone and ore I was saving up for my hunter's further BS/eng leveling at 35? it's on the AH now. :) |
| 20:53.40 | ZorbaBeta | man, auctioneer+enchanting |
| 20:53.41 | ZorbaBeta | money fountain |
| 20:54.04 | Amarande | it could be, if I actually got enough BoEs that I could mail over for DEing :) |
| 20:54.10 | Amarande | unfortunately, my enchanter is not my main |
| 20:54.20 | ZorbaBeta | you don't farm boes |
| 20:54.22 | ZorbaBeta | you buy them |
| 20:54.25 | ZorbaBeta | in massive, massive bulk |
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| 20:54.47 | ZorbaBeta | about a week ago I had quite literally *thousands* in my maibox |
| 20:58.00 | cog|work | ~botmail for shirik Found it... http://wowi.pastey.net/108919 yours only works for types implicitly convertable to unsigned short, imo :P |
| 21:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo |
| 21:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | they fixed blink |
| 21:00.40 | ScytheBlade1 | errr |
| 21:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | vanish |
| 21:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | they gave vanish the blink treatment |
| 21:01.20 | Tepel | At least this should not raise any concerns as to Vanish being OP |
| 21:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaBeta: here is a question for you.. what is cataclsym going to do to QH's database? |
| 21:14.41 | ZorbaBeta | scythe, I'll make a 4.0-compatible version as soon as I can get on the 4.0 beta servers, then hope for data to roll in, including begging people to submit data who are on the beta servers. When 4.0 is released I'll clobber all the old 3.0 data entirely and release a pure-4.0 version. The database may start out a little flaky, but in under a month it'll probably be complete again. |
| 21:15.08 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not too worried about it, it should honestly go more smoothly than the Northrend changeover did. I've got better infrastructure and support now. |
| 21:15.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That including outland and northrend? |
| 21:15.41 | ZorbaBeta | as far as I know those aren't being modified, I'll leave that data intact |
| 21:15.54 | ZorbaBeta | it'll be "throw away any data from the main two continents that predates 4.0" |
| 21:16.28 | nevcairiel | I wonder how many people actually level 1-60 in the beta |
| 21:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | You guess it'll only take a month to get a good database from 1-60 and 80-85? |
| 21:16.39 | ZorbaBeta | it remains to be seen how they're handling the changes - whether they're creating new quests, or modifying some old quests and making new ones, or just recycling every old monster/quest ID. their actual behavior will influence what I do. |
| 21:17.18 | ZorbaBeta | scythe, I suspect so. There will be a *lot* of people using Questhelper and I'll be sucking a ton of data in. I'll relax some of my thresholds a little just to get *some* data in for quests, then turn the thresholds back up once the database is solidifying |
| 21:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough |
| 21:17.44 | ZorbaBeta | Honestly, I apparently had a pretty solid 70-76 or so before Wrath was released |
| 21:18.05 | ZorbaBeta | and with my leveling speed I never "caught up", by the time I personally hit 80, it was solid up through 80. |
| 21:18.16 | ZorbaBeta | And that was the old vastly-inferior build system too :) |
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| 21:20.56 | ZorbaBeta | the only thing I'm actually worried about is the scalability of my build tools, I'm already dealing with 6-hour build times. but there's a lot of potential for optimization there, I just have to sit down and do it |
| 21:21.01 | Shirik | cog|work, wtf did you do |
| 21:21.27 | Shirik | purl spammed the hell out of me |
| 21:21.33 | Shirik | and yes, I didn't make it a template, but that's an easy fix |
| 21:21.36 | cog|work | "spammed the hell out of" ? |
| 21:21.47 | Shirik | 5x of (17:20:32) (purl) You have 1 messages awaiting, from: cog|work (botmail read) |
| 21:21.49 | Shirik | when I logged in |
| 21:22.01 | cog|work | probably 'cause you joined 5 channels with purl |
| 21:22.03 | durcyn | five lines is hell now? |
| 21:22.03 | nevcairiel | did you join 5 channels with purl in it? :p |
| 21:22.07 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:22.09 | Shirik | I guess that makes sense |
| 21:22.18 | Arrowmaster | you guys should just use memoserv |
| 21:22.19 | Shirik | I think she should be smarter :P |
| 21:22.33 | durcyn | so write a patch. |
| 21:22.37 | nevcairiel | purl is easier to send messages with =P |
| 21:22.40 | Shirik | lazy |
| 21:22.46 | cog|work | Shirik: QQ at #infobot imo |
| 21:22.50 | Shirik | nah |
| 21:22.54 | Shirik | there's other things that need to be fixed first |
| 21:22.55 | Arrowmaster | memoserv is easier to receive messages with |
| 21:23.25 | nevcairiel | man moving my complete wow install off to an external drive takes like ages |
| 21:23.35 | nevcairiel | silly ntfs driver on linux has a sucky write performance |
| 21:24.07 | durcyn | probably better off using samba |
| 21:24.32 | nevcairiel | yeah well i don't have the comp here that the external drive goes to :P |
| 21:25.04 | durcyn | or an ext3 partition and the windows IFS module imo! |
| 21:25.21 | nevcairiel | How is the performance of that, anyway? |
| 21:25.32 | Arrowmaster | afaik its mounted as ext2 in windows |
| 21:25.39 | Arrowmaster | so no journal |
| 21:26.20 | Shirik | If a bank supports "commercial deposits" what do you think that means? |
| 21:26.43 | nevcairiel | sadly the linux guys don't care to port ext3 or even 4 to windows, and the windows guys don't care because they just use NTFS |
| 21:27.10 | nevcairiel | would be so much easier to write a ext3/4 driver for windows then ntfs for linux |
| 21:27.19 | Shirik | I thought NTFS was a pretty decent system tbh |
| 21:27.20 | durcyn | fuse isn't -that- bad |
| 21:27.45 | durcyn | wait, you ARE using ntfs3g, right? |
| 21:27.49 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 21:27.54 | nevcairiel | but write performance still sucks |
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| 21:28.32 | ZorbaBeta | using something like SMB or NFS is usually a better solution anyway |
| 21:28.54 | nevcairiel | if you have a network connection, sure |
| 21:29.10 | Arrowmaster | those take a lot of work when you just want something simple though |
| 21:29.31 | nevcairiel | Samba is pretty simple to setup |
| 21:29.41 | nevcairiel | i have it setup and all |
| 21:30.28 | Arrowmaster | i had to practically rewrite the entire conf to get it working for what i needed |
| 21:30.34 | nevcairiel | I still have some partitions in my main comp as ntfs for dual-booting, i would love to get rid of that |
| 21:30.43 | nevcairiel | i started with an empty conf :P |
| 21:32.12 | durcyn | a workgroup smb.conf is like four lines |
| 21:32.38 | nevcairiel | i mostly set it up for printer sharing |
| 21:32.58 | Arrowmaster | i was setting up for both guest and privileged access |
| 21:33.03 | durcyn | [global] workgroup = foo; security = user; encrypt passwords = yes |
| 21:33.10 | durcyn | phbhbpt |
| 21:33.16 | Shirik | ~wtf phbhbpt |
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| 21:38.09 | nevcairiel | load average: 9.73, 9.79, 9.20 ... moving stuff onto ntfs is expensive, hmkay? |
| 21:39.57 | Ackis | ~willidieifijumpout20thfloorwindow |
| 21:39.58 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:40.34 | durcyn | no |
| 21:40.39 | durcyn | you can fly, remember |
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| 21:41.23 | Ackis | oh |
| 21:41.53 | durcyn | spread your wings, Ackis |
| 21:41.59 | durcyn | it's time to leave the nest |
| 21:42.02 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta, you might want to write a small program that people can run that auto-parses the quests when they do it? |
| 21:42.33 | durcyn | you can touch the sky, Ackis |
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| 21:43.25 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/01/funny-pictures-of-the-sofa/ |
| 21:43.48 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, you mean "questhelper"? ;) |
| 21:43.56 | nevcairiel | he said small |
| 21:43.56 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:44.12 | ZorbaBeta | there's a pretty hefty data collection system built in, it just runs all the time |
| 21:44.15 | ZorbaBeta | meh, I think just about anyone who'd be willing to send QH data is also going to be willing to just *run questhelper* |
| 21:44.41 | nevcairiel | add a toggle that disables all visual stuff whatsoever, then maybe |
| 21:44.47 | ZorbaBeta | "/qh hide" |
| 21:44.48 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta, so for the beta you would be runing an empty QH? |
| 21:45.04 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, yeah, pretty much. some people will do it and send data, and that gets it started. |
| 21:47.52 | Shirik | [2. Trade] [Fiocco] Hey there you sexy healer you.... why don't you come make my dreams of running the daily come true. Pst for invite. |
| 21:48.31 | Fisker | ok the new ptr is pretty small |
| 21:48.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Overheard in the office: "I'm revolting! I need a mac!" |
| 21:48.42 | Fisker | shocked and appalled |
| 21:48.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Fire him |
| 21:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: her. and i can't. |
| 21:49.20 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, i'd rather not, as she's the one paying me. :P |
| 21:49.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:49.38 | Shirik | Well anyway, fortunately where I worked everyone had to use Windows |
| 21:49.45 | Shirik | well at least in engineering |
| 21:53.18 | nevcairiel | "fortunately"? |
| 21:53.48 | NightHawkTheSane | "Well anyway, unfortunately where I worked, everyone was forced to bash their face against windows" <-- fixed that for you ;) |
| 21:53.54 | NightHawkTheSane | teases |
| 21:53.59 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20122738221&sid=1 |
| 21:54.34 | Cide | it's funny how everyone who happens to prefer unix uses every attempt ever to bash on windows, yet the contrary is not even close to true |
| 21:54.54 | nevcairiel | because they know they would be wrong |
| 21:54.55 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 21:55.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: I actually don't mind using windows -that- much. I just like poking fun. |
| 21:55.31 | Cide | who'dve thought, it happened again. |
| 21:55.43 | amro | Cide: most windows users aren't forced to use nix system |
| 21:55.49 | amro | s/system/systems/ |
| 21:56.12 | Cide | but the people who are don't bitch and moan |
| 21:56.25 | Cide | yet the people who are forced to use windows do |
| 21:56.27 | amro | I heard otherwise |
| 21:56.29 | nevcairiel | i'm sure they do, its just a pretty rare case |
| 21:56.37 | Cide | that's what I'm saying |
| 21:56.38 | amro | I know people who bitch everytime they have to compile something on nix |
| 21:56.50 | Cide | that's not the same as using unix |
| 21:56.51 | bleeter | they all suck |
| 21:56.52 | nevcairiel | not the bitching is rare, the windows users forced onto *nix is rare |
| 21:56.58 | Cide | uh, hardly |
| 21:57.05 | Cide | in our field it's pretty commonplace |
| 21:57.14 | amro | Cide: compiling usually involves testing and fixing platform specific bugs |
| 21:57.28 | amro | which usually means using |
| 21:57.32 | Cide | is it not true that compiling * on * is bitch-ridden? |
| 21:58.06 | Fisker | so Shirik |
| 21:58.15 | Fisker | where's my damn google wave invite? |
| 21:58.15 | amro | except it's not the compiling part they cry about, it's that they have to use tool X and Y and system app Z instead of what they like |
| 21:58.20 | KarlKFI|work | i jsut bitch about havign to reboot tomcat... POS |
| 21:58.24 | Cide | amro: right |
| 21:58.24 | amro | which is the same thing for people who prefer unix forced to use windows |
| 21:58.28 | Cide | right |
| 21:58.35 | bleeter | KarlKFI|work: lol |
| 21:58.51 | Fisker | FIRE EVERYTHING |
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| 21:59.11 | amro | in any case, if that were true it could just as easily mean windows is more painful than nix ;) |
| 21:59.18 | Lunessa | People resist change in their tools or rather, mandated change. |
| 21:59.23 | Fisker | farts Shirik in the face |
| 21:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | amro: couldn't resist that, eh? ;) |
| 21:59.38 | Shirik | fart is not a transitive verb.... |
| 21:59.44 | amro | NightHawkTheSane: it was begging to be said |
| 22:00.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: your MOM is not a transitive verb. |
| 22:00.55 | Fisker | well put NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:01.44 | KarlKFI|work | also: windows sucks! |
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| 22:02.13 | Shirik | windows does not suck :( |
| 22:02.32 | Shirik | Windows has one benefit |
| 22:02.36 | Shirik | over Linux |
| 22:02.38 | Shirik | it's not an xbox |
| 22:03.04 | Cide | it also lets in light. |
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| 22:03.18 | Shirik | lets in light? |
| 22:03.23 | Cide | yes. |
| 22:03.46 | Cide | and protects against uv-rays |
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| 22:04.27 | Kraps | it triples as a tv and a sandwich maker |
| 22:05.45 | p3lim | easy question, i want to get x and y from this string: 'x-y' |
| 22:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | pft. linux totally protects me against uv rays |
| 22:05.49 | bleeter | only protects against uv-rays if it's been treated |
| 22:06.06 | p3lim | both x and y are numbers, up to 30 |
| 22:06.11 | bleeter | oh, right |
| 22:06.22 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEEEE |
| 22:08.04 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: /(\d+)-(\d+)/ |
| 22:08.13 | NightHawkTheSane | (or did you mean in lua patterns..) |
| 22:08.34 | nevcairiel | not like its really that different in lua pattern |
| 22:09.39 | p3lim | but what function to use? |
| 22:09.42 | p3lim | gsub? |
| 22:09.52 | nevcairiel | match |
| 22:09.58 | nevcairiel | or find |
| 22:10.04 | bleeter | http://www.animehackers.com/temp/Offensive%20Guild.jpg |
| 22:10.10 | bleeter | lol |
| 22:10.20 | p3lim | find failed, returned 1 or 0 |
| 22:11.16 | nevcairiel | lua> bla = "100-50"; return string.match(bla, "(%d+)-(%d+)") |
| 22:11.16 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 100, 50 |
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| 22:11.21 | nevcairiel | its not that hard <.< |
| 22:11.43 | p3lim | hm didnt work in my test :s |
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| 22:12.03 | nevcairiel | lua> bla = "100-50"; return string.find(bla, "(%d+)-(%d+)") |
| 22:12.03 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1, 6, 100, 50 |
| 22:12.05 | nevcairiel | works with find too |
| 22:12.09 | nevcairiel | just gives some extra args |
| 22:12.36 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 what are the extra returns? |
| 22:13.16 | nevcairiel | start and end position of the match |
| 22:13.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, yes |
| 22:14.04 | p3lim | ill use match, id want arg1 and arg2 to be the values |
| 22:14.19 | p3lim | thanks for the help |
| 22:14.41 | p3lim | dont use patterns frequently enough to remember them |
| 22:16.42 | Shirik | string.find is worthless |
| 22:16.52 | Shirik | I don't know why they kept it |
| 22:17.03 | nevcairiel | meh, if you run it in plain-text mode it can be faster .. if you only need plain-text matches |
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| 22:17.11 | Shirik | I guess plain text matching |
| 22:17.24 | Shirik | but you could add that to string.match |
| 22:17.37 | Shirik | or, as I would prefer, have it just be a completely separate function |
| 22:17.43 | Shirik | since they really are two separate operations |
| 22:19.09 | Shirik | Getting mail that says "YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW" is scary |
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| 22:25.39 | Shirik | 8. Does this house, apartment, or mobile home have -- a. hot and cold running water? b. a flush toilet? c. a bathtub or shower? d. a sink with a faucet? |
| 22:25.43 | Shirik | Are these serious questions? |
| 22:28.19 | amro | Shirik: 8.a no. b. yes. |
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| 22:31.11 | bleeter | oO druids have pets? |
| 22:31.33 | bleeter | oh, i guess treants, nm\ |
| 22:32.37 | Shirik | oh I didn't realize this wasn't the census |
| 22:32.54 | Shirik | Kinda strange they send this out right before 2010 |
| 22:34.31 | nevcairiel | any email that would try to tell me shit about law is clearly spam |
| 22:36.43 | Shirik | except it was mail, not email :P |
| 22:37.54 | bleeter | so not only are dailies broken, but guild vault limits are broken too? |
| 22:38.01 | bleeter | ouchies |
| 22:38.22 | Shirik | dailies broken how? |
| 22:39.06 | bleeter | my guild was saying something like relog, or rezone, or enter intstances/leave resets them |
| 22:39.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:39.23 | bleeter | thread on CSF reads like similar will reset guild vault daily limits |
| 22:39.37 | bleeter | heard of someone on my realm doing 50 dailies yesterday |
| 22:39.40 | bleeter | ain't been on today |
| 22:39.50 | Shirik | And I'm sure they can't track that at all |
| 22:39.55 | bleeter | think it was nevcairiel who mentioned that was like skettis |
| 22:40.18 | bleeter | Shirik: well, one would hope they can... but there HAVE been some crazy bugs from time to time ;) |
| 22:40.26 | Shirik | sarcasm :P |
| 22:40.55 | Shirik | my point was more of the "lolololo I'm going to do 500 dailies and get tons of monies and badges!" |
| 22:41.15 | Shirik | and then Blizzard is more like "lololololol I'm gonna ban you for 500 days now to make up for the badgges!" |
| 22:41.59 | bleeter | yeah |
| 22:42.11 | bleeter | the guildies were intrigued by the possibility of 'strip and ban' |
| 22:42.28 | Shirik | that's what I would do |
| 22:42.31 | NightHawkTheSane | strips! |
| 22:42.43 | Shirik | and then anyone that responds to it with "But I didn't know I shouldn't do it!" should just get a permanent ban |
| 22:42.45 | bleeter | 'why strip if going to ban' ... 'walking up to 72 hours and falling over, of course!' |
| 22:42.53 | bleeter | yeah |
| 22:42.58 | bleeter | my guildies are morons |
| 22:42.58 | Shirik | they obviously lack the mental capability to play |
| 22:44.30 | Shirik | I will nap now |
| 22:44.32 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 22:44.35 | Shirik | when I come back |
| 22:44.40 | Shirik | you will no longer exist |
| 22:44.41 | foxlit | So, wtb tips |
| 22:44.45 | foxlit | I'm arranging for a tank death. |
| 22:45.07 | foxlit | Unfortunately, as a druid, I don't have anything to actually make it happen, except for withholding healing :/ |
| 22:45.34 | NightHawkTheSane | man, whoever thought sending an email for EVERY FUCKING SVN COMMIT by default was a good idea needs to be shot |
| 22:46.07 | Shirik | sounds like a good idea to me, if you have continuous integration |
| 22:46.12 | Fisker | blizzard = failboat |
| 22:46.24 | Fisker | they gave warriors another damage abillity in the start of the game |
| 22:46.40 | Fisker | Meanwhile paladins are still pretty much autoattack + judgement until around like level 40 or 50 |
| 22:46.43 | bleeter | damages Fisker |
| 22:47.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: getting an email every few minutes that i committed something is not what i call a good idea |
| 22:49.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: and, having the option isn't what bothers me. It's the "turning it on by default, and sending emails for YOUR OWN commits by default" that really irks me |
| 22:51.46 | ZorbaBeta | haha. warlock named Harrydotter |
| 22:51.51 | bleeter | cute |
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| 22:55.48 | bleeter | dear PTR download, why do you have to be so fucking huge :( |
| 22:56.17 | Thunder_Child | dear bleeter, why do you have to have such a slow download speed |
| 22:57.49 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: what's that got to do with the price of fish? |
| 22:58.21 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, because the proce of fish being high or low depends on how much you make |
| 22:58.26 | bleeter | not as if the downloader works under wine, or the patch is visible someone atm |
| 22:58.27 | Thunder_Child | price* |
| 22:58.42 | ajmitch | bleeter: it still doesn't work in wine? |
| 22:58.46 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: nice try, wonderful fail |
| 22:58.52 | bleeter | ajmitch: still sitting there like a dumb thing |
| 22:59.05 | Thunder_Child | so sitting there like you? |
| 22:59.26 | bleeter | more like you, as I'm standing |
| 22:59.42 | ZorbaBeta | anyone know a UI mod that tracks how long UI mods take to load? |
| 22:59.53 | Arrowmaster | warmup |
| 23:00.15 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I just tried it, but it only shows two UI mods out of the hundred+ I have. I think it may be a little busted, it's still got a 2.0 TOC |
| 23:01.28 | Arrowmaster | it is named "!!Warmup" right? |
| 23:01.32 | ZorbaBeta | yep |
| 23:01.42 | Arrowmaster | what filesystem are you using? |
| 23:02.04 | ZorbaBeta | NTFS |
| 23:02.19 | Arrowmaster | thats not right |
| 23:02.23 | Arrowmaster | it should be loading first |
| 23:02.32 | bleeter | goes back to waiting for wirebrain.de to mirror the PTR |
| 23:02.49 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: any other !!'s? |
| 23:03.07 | ZorbaBeta | bleeter, nope, !swatter is the only ! at all |
| 23:03.20 | ZorbaBeta | oh, !nLog also. no other !!'s though |
| 23:03.35 | bleeter | humour me, disable those |
| 23:03.52 | ZorbaBeta | sure, gimme a min. I just started another reload and it takes a minute :P |
| 23:04.08 | bleeter | hehe |
| 23:04.11 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4939#info this is the proper version? |
| 23:04.21 | Arrowmaster | doubtful |
| 23:04.54 | ZorbaBeta | hey, reloading it again somehow made it work |
| 23:05.03 | foxlit | Hm, my recount is so old that all my heals are crit heals |
| 23:05.10 | ZorbaBeta | alright cool |
| 23:05.37 | bleeter | good |
| 23:06.03 | ZorbaBeta | and QH is using the largest amount of time on startup, but by a surprisingly small margin |
| 23:06.21 | ZorbaBeta | which I am satisfied with. |
| 23:06.30 | Tepel | Just throw more hardware at it |
| 23:06.46 | ZorbaBeta | sadly it is not terribly practical to buy hardware upgrades for all of my users |
| 23:06.49 | theorbtwo | How often are you *starting* wow that you need to care? |
| 23:07.04 | ZorbaBeta | theorbtwo, if QH makes people disconnect through server timeouts, I care. |
| 23:07.12 | theorbtwo | Good point. |
| 23:07.29 | Tepel | How long does it take to load ? |
| 23:07.31 | ZorbaBeta | (which it used to, but I'm not convinced it does anymore, despite a few reports of it) |
| 23:07.33 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: i have a copy of warmup with a 20400 toc |
| 23:07.35 | ZorbaBeta | tepel, on my system, 0.94 seconds |
| 23:07.52 | theorbtwo | On one of my systems, something is doing a server disconnect during *logout*. |
| 23:07.55 | Tepel | I guess the people who disconnect really have crippled systems |
| 23:07.55 | ZorbaBeta | however note that this is 1.1.20, which involved me moving about 1.5 seconds of calculation from load into just-after-load |
| 23:07.59 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: but i dont know where i got it, i think tekkub took down whichever repo i pulled it from |
| 23:08.09 | ZorbaBeta | so if there was a problem, 1.1.20 almost certainly fixed it. |
| 23:08.18 | tekkub | aroooo? |
| 23:08.24 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: warmup |
| 23:08.32 | ZorbaBeta | tekkub, fighting a little with Warmup. got it working, not sure why it wasn't working before |
| 23:08.36 | tekkub | erm... did it never get pushed to github? |
| 23:08.50 | Arrowmaster | i thought it did but i cant find it in your project list anymore |
| 23:09.00 | tekkub | I'm not seeing it either |
| 23:09.21 | ZorbaBeta | anyway time to push 1.1.20 and immediately go get drunk. cya all :) |
| 23:09.32 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: Have fun! |
| 23:09.34 | Arrowmaster | i think i pulled it from google code back when you were using it but then you removed it from google code so i deleted the .svn dir to keep my update script from bitching |
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| 23:09.53 | tekkub | I may have never imported it to git |
| 23:10.00 | tekkub | I don't even have it on my system anymore |
| 23:10.01 | cog|work | Shirik: http://pastey.net/125979 |
| 23:10.26 | tekkub | the one on wowi should be the latest at any rate |
| 23:12.31 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: i highly doubt that, it has a 20000 toc, mine has a 20400, and i remember mine automatically disables itself on every use so ZorbaBeta wouldnt have been able to simply keep reloading if he had the same i do |
| 23:13.05 | tekkub | hum, who knows |
| 23:13.20 | ZorbaBeta | mine disabled itself too, I just errataed out the bit where I had to keep turning it back on :P |
| 23:13.36 | ZorbaBeta | it's definitely a 20000 toc though |
| 23:14.26 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 23:14.41 | Tepel | cog|work: that doesn't compile! |
| 23:14.45 | Tepel | at least not on codepad :P |
| 23:16.45 | cog|work | hmm... wonder if it's illegal but msvc is letting me get away with it... |
| 23:17.14 | Tepel | g++ is moaning about the underscore constants |
| 23:18.20 | cog|work | no it's not the constants it's the fact that i didn't initialize them. updated the pastey with working code: http://pastey.net/125982-2zmm:125979-4f08 |
| 23:18.46 | cog|work | s/no it's not the constants// |
| 23:20.08 | Tepel | that's what I meant |
| 23:20.17 | cog|work | nods |
| 23:20.24 | cog|work | at first i thought you meant the fact that they were underscores |
| 23:21.11 | Tepel | Who knew you could do such silly stuff with cpp |
| 23:21.16 | Tepel | retorical question |
| 23:21.53 | Tepel | s/retorical/rhetorical/ |
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| 23:27.56 | Fisker | butts Shirik |
| 23:29.14 | Tepel | I wonder if blizz will ever add a way to compress a complete set to one bag slot |
| 23:29.30 | Tepel | My old sets are really taking a toll on my bankspace |
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| 23:29.39 | NightHawkTheSane | about as likely as they are to add a gear bag. |
| 23:30.00 | Tepel | Well, they've fixed vanish ... |
| 23:30.23 | Tepel | I would have expected it to be removed before it would have gotten fixed |
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| 23:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it was never realy broken for its most useful purpose |
| 23:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | really* |
| 23:33.42 | Tepel | PvE purpose you mean |
| 23:33.48 | Tepel | Raid PvE even |
| 23:34.18 | Tepel | Or maybe ninja-pulling |
| 23:35.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant general pve |
| 23:35.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, it even actually did work most of the time in pvp |
| 23:35.38 | Tepel | Coinflip skill |
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| 23:38.46 | Adys | they didnt fix vanish |
| 23:38.46 | Adys | they couldnt fix vanish |
| 23:39.03 | Adys | that 1sec immunity they added they couldve added it long ago |
| 23:39.09 | Adys | its their way to say "We give up" |
| 23:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | same thing they did to blink |
| 23:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | hence, it is fixed |
| 23:39.31 | Adys | what? |
| 23:39.48 | Adys | they mostly fixed blink errors ive been impressed |
| 23:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | blink gives the mage a short duration buff after casting, granting immunity to all movement imparing effects |
| 23:39.57 | Adys | you cant add immunities on a teleport.. |
| 23:40.03 | Adys | er wtf? |
| 23:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | they did |
| 23:40.06 | Adys | this is different |
| 23:40.08 | Adys | and its a talent |
| 23:40.13 | Adys | an arcane talent |
| 23:40.25 | Adys | blink had no bug per se, it was bugging with teleports |
| 23:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | blink is a talent? |
| 23:40.35 | Adys | ... that short duration buff is |
| 23:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 23:40.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Is not |
| 23:40.43 | Adys | oh |
| 23:40.46 | Adys | sorry misread |
| 23:41.07 | Adys | yeah i guess |
| 23:41.16 | Adys | it makes it "fixed" |
| 23:41.23 | Adys | but it doesnt make it fixed the way they wanted to fix it |
| 23:41.33 | Adys | they wanted to find a way to fight the lag or whatever |
| 23:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | sure, granted |
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| 23:42.52 | mikma | ooooh great, Glyph of Icy Touch -nerf |
| 23:43.43 | Tepel | The solution for lag and storage issues are simpel |
| 23:43.43 | Tepel | s/are/is/ |
| 23:43.44 | Tepel | 4D-memory |
| 23:44.16 | Tepel | And then, a 1MB chip would be enough to store everything |
| 23:44.22 | Tepel | Unless ofcourse, we run out of time |
| 23:44.26 | Tepel | literally |
| 23:45.40 | Tepel | oeh I made a lot of typo's there |
| 23:45.42 | Tepel | time to go to bed |
| 23:47.03 | Fisker | you |
| 23:47.22 | Fisker | vanish was never a bug Adys |
| 23:48.30 | Adys | Fuck off, I'm not in the mood |
| 23:48.36 | Adys | (just shortening my answers) |
| 23:49.15 | Fisker | You could've stuck with "Fuck off" |
| 23:49.17 | Fisker | doesn't make me any less right though |
| 23:49.26 | Thunder_Child | Adys, thats like a great big neon sign that says "I'm a target" |
| 23:49.44 | Adys | I'm just busy, and cba to deal with semantics |
| 23:50.03 | Adys | trying to get screenshots pushed and connection is slow |
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| 23:50.26 | Bruners | deal with semantics while you push the screenshot then :P |
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| 23:50.40 | mikma | meheh, DW tanking gets better, too |
| 23:50.55 | Fisker | Just annoyed about the signal it sends |
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| 23:51.48 | kd3 | rofl; JT's suing facebook? anything to get in the news again |
| 23:52.19 | amro | anyone have any google wave invites by chance? |
| 23:52.36 | Fisker | no amro |
| 23:52.37 | Fisker | they're mine |
| 23:52.45 | Fisker | hisses |
| 23:53.07 | bleeter | I can see that the 'first second' vanish/stealth 'fix' for rogues will get fucked up by oceanic latency |
| 23:53.10 | amro | yeah fisker they need to test their load with trolls onboard |
| 23:53.19 | Fisker | yeah |
| 23:53.29 | bleeter | probably increasing the bitching about the mechanics |
| 23:53.33 | Fisker | Then they can also monitor the effects of live flamewars |
| 23:54.15 | Jerub | amro: I do. |
| 23:54.30 | amro | Jerub: feeling charitable tonight? |
| 23:54.43 | Jerub | amro: sure. |
| 23:54.57 | Fisker | anyways amro |
| 23:54.58 | Fisker | [Ammo] says he was in the dev preview |
| 23:55.12 | Fisker | and i don't believe him when he says he's not been ported over or given any invites |
| 23:55.12 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 23:55.22 | Fisker | also Kalroth was trolling me earlier about having it |
| 23:57.14 | bleeter | amro: heh, I just asked in #pidgin and got a couple of offers :P |
| 23:57.26 | bleeter | but Jerub was kinda enough for me, too |
| 23:57.41 | amro | bleeter: wow, pidgin just justified its existence |
| 23:57.45 | Adys | ROFL |
| 23:57.46 | bleeter | #pidgin was looking dead 'til about 30 seconds after I asked jerub |
| 23:58.00 | Fisker | giev bleeter |
| 23:58.01 | Fisker | GIEV |
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| 23:58.20 | Adys | Jerub: how many do they give you anyway? |
| 23:58.24 | Fisker | 5 |
| 23:58.27 | Adys | i thought it was like 4 |
| 23:58.30 | Adys | oh |
| 23:58.33 | Fisker | hey Jerub |
| 23:58.34 | Jerub | I had 8 |
| 23:58.36 | Fisker | what about meeeeeee? |
| 23:58.37 | bleeter | amro: aye, I wish Empathy would hurry the hell up |
| 23:58.44 | Adys | Fisker: i thought you hated google? |
| 23:58.52 | Fisker | nono |
| 23:58.56 | Fisker | i just want to fucking kill them |
| 23:59.03 | amro | bleeter: speaking of which, what's gonna happen to guifications? |
| 23:59.14 | Adys | also from what I can see |
| 23:59.14 | bleeter | amro: nfi |
| 23:59.20 | Adys | google wave "invites" arent real invites |
| 23:59.25 | Adys | they're increased chances to get in |
| 23:59.35 | Fisker | not from what i've seen |
| 23:59.43 | Adys | maybe not all |
| 23:59.45 | Adys | its foggy |
| 23:59.48 | Fisker | but Jerub got one left? :( |
| 23:59.48 | Jerub | fyi to those I've just invited: |
| 23:59.51 | Jerub | I got an invite sent 20ish hours ago and it only just arrived. |
| 23:59.53 | Jerub | they're trickling out the accounts. |
