| 00:00.13 | industrial | (death knight) |
| 00:00.13 | Fisker | and still come out without any downtime to speak of |
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| 00:00.38 | Iriel | I've only had issues with Scouts being a bit brittle |
| 00:00.47 | industrial | Fisker: that goes for most mmo's, Age of Conan has Priest of Mitra, wow has Death Knight etc |
| 00:01.02 | Iriel | Mage/Cleric/Warrior is all reasonable (for lowish levels, anyway, I haven't had time to get above 15-ish) |
| 00:01.07 | industrial | does Aion have some 10day trial or is it still in beta |
| 00:01.38 | Iriel | It launched while I was on vacation at some point |
| 00:01.40 | Iriel | 9/22 ? |
| 00:02.24 | ZorbaBeta | death knights aren't as ridiculous as they used to be at medium-high levels, and every other class is ridiculous at that point |
| 00:02.38 | ZorbaBeta | on both my warrior and my druid I regularly pull 6 monsters at a time |
| 00:03.16 | ZorbaBeta | honestly on my warrior the bottleneck isn't what I can kill, it's what I can pull |
| 00:03.21 | Fisker | maybe |
| 00:03.25 | Fisker | but in Aion it's horrible Iriel |
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| 00:03.48 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I haven't played Aion but it doesn't surprise me that it's terrible |
| 00:04.03 | ZorbaBeta | it always shocks me how little effort people put into balance |
| 00:06.00 | Iriel | Rangers start to differentiate greatly in group play, it's night and day compared to solo |
| 00:06.15 | Iriel | (Aion, again) |
| 00:06.54 | Iriel | Anyway, I just like it because it's pretty (j/k - ish) |
| 00:16.11 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty is not a bad thing. |
| 00:16.23 | Lopeppeppy | It shouldn't be **the** reason, but it's still a good reason |
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| 00:17.56 | Iriel | It's usually enoiugh to get me to give something new a try |
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| 00:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | I've been known to watch crappy movies because they have an aspect of "pretty", usually location. Like... Last Samurai. |
| 00:19.43 | theorbtwo | Heh. I liked Last Samurai. |
| 00:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | It had... some redeeming qualities, but Tom Cruise is still stuck in Risky Business (that's the title, right?) and Top Gun, he doesn't know how to play other characters. |
| 00:22.01 | theorbtwo | Meh. Yeah, he's a pretty one-track sort of actor, and it's rather unfortunate that the character is so "Tom Cruise" that I can't remember what the hell the char's name is supposed to be. |
| 00:22.19 | theorbtwo | ...but his character in there is something that Tom Cruise can handle. |
| 00:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | I think that character had a lot more potential, if they'd gotten an actor for the starring role, instead of a flagpole |
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| 00:30.39 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy it's nice to see I'm not alone in that opinion |
| 00:31.06 | Lopeppeppy | :) So many good movies spoiled by bad casting. |
| 00:32.15 | Nechckn | Nicolas Cage is pretty much the same, in my book, at least. |
| 00:32.28 | Nechckn | There are a few movies where he "fits" and so many where it seems as if they could not get their choice, so they went with him. |
| 00:32.43 | Lopeppeppy | Kevin Spacey, I'd walk a million miles to see his movies. |
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| 00:44.31 | p3lim | anyone here got a clue how to setup an IRC client with windows and make it stick to the desktop like ive seen in most screenshots of an irc desktop? |
| 00:45.21 | p3lim | I know its possible, seen old screenshots of it |
| 00:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | uh. what? |
| 00:53.43 | Lopeppeppy | I was thinking that too, but I'm all druggy and foggy, I figured I was just being foggy |
| 00:55.21 | Arrowmaster | stick to the desktop? |
| 00:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | why am I thinkng xfire |
| 00:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | providing a link to such a screenshot would help |
| 01:01.31 | Seerah | I guess p3lim lost interest ;) |
| 01:02.11 | p3lim | nope, just googling for a solution |
| 01:02.37 | p3lim | http://pbrisbin.com:8080/screenshots/desktop_0907182251.png |
| 01:02.49 | p3lim | that is linux with a window manager however |
| 01:03.16 | Seerah | I still don't follow what you mean by "stick it to the desktop" though |
| 01:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't anything other than window transparency |
| 01:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Or in short, it isn't what you think |
| 01:03.33 | p3lim | well |
| 01:03.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, looks like my semi-transparent chat windows. |
| 01:03.59 | p3lim | no window borders, menu or anything, should "stick" to the desktop no matter what |
| 01:04.09 | p3lim | and not produce a tab in the taskbar |
| 01:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't what you think, heh |
| 01:04.38 | p3lim | this is one of haste's desktops: http://www.beverpung.net/images/nix/2009-09-06-165536_1680x1050_scrot.png |
| 01:04.44 | ScytheBlade1 | first off, there is no taskbar in that first one |
| 01:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | second you can toggle windows decorations depending on the window manager |
| 01:05.13 | p3lim | but with windows? |
| 01:05.22 | Seerah | isn't that just 4 tiled windows with semi transparent backgrounds? |
| 01:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | you can't |
| 01:06.04 | haste | Seerah: my WM doesn't have decoration on any thing |
| 01:06.20 | Thunder_Child | well you kinda can, you can make a webpage you background iirc and you can use a web irc client |
| 01:06.29 | Thunder_Child | though that is kinda hackish |
| 01:06.38 | Thunder_Child | your* |
| 01:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | very hackish |
| 01:06.57 | haste | why would you want your IRC client on the background anyway no windows? |
| 01:07.08 | haste | it's not like any of the virtual desktop apps work properly |
| 01:07.22 | p3lim | well |
| 01:07.32 | p3lim | my desktop is already empty and does not serve a purpose |
| 01:07.45 | p3lim | could use it for something, irc could be that something |
| 01:08.09 | Seerah | my desktop is empty and I have an irc window on it ;) |
| 01:08.22 | Seerah | (my left screen) |
| 01:08.44 | haste | why would you put IRC on it tho' :P ? |
| 01:08.48 | haste | not like you see it in windows |
| 01:08.56 | haste | unless you are completely mad and always minimize all applications |
| 01:09.05 | p3lim | ^_^ |
| 01:10.12 | p3lim | anyways, my question was if it was possible, and in case, how |
| 01:14.21 | Lopeppeppy | yes possible, in many of the ways described above. :P |
| 01:14.25 | haste | it's possible |
| 01:17.34 | haste | wth |
| 01:17.48 | haste | I have the 1500 dungeon/raid emblems achievement |
| 01:17.57 | haste | and the 2500 achievement says I've only gotten 1105 |
| 01:18.07 | p3lim | yeah a bug blizzard fixed |
| 01:18.24 | p3lim | somehow the bc badges got counted for the achivement the first time |
| 01:18.33 | p3lim | but they removed it in 3.2.2 |
| 01:18.34 | haste | well that's sane |
| 01:18.56 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: you might find a plugin for pidgin or miranda |
| 01:18.59 | p3lim | but once you get an achivement you won't lose it, no matter what¨ |
| 01:19.15 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: ooh, ill check |
| 01:20.22 | Lopeppeppy | Great, thunderstorm. My excitement never ends. |
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| 01:40.10 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 01:40.40 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik |
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| 02:03.26 | Amarande | ok, which of the two WoWhead posts do you folks side with: |
| 02:03.44 | Lopeppeppy | Drama llama feeding frenzy! |
| 02:03.48 | Amarande | Original post: "[The Immortal achievement] will be immposible to do with pugs sadly :(" |
| 02:03.58 | Amarande | Reply I: "Hopefully." |
| 02:04.03 | Dagmar | Not impossible, just less likely. |
| 02:04.04 | Lopeppeppy | Noting is impossible |
| 02:04.08 | Amarande | Reply II: "I am expecting a hilarious fluke occurring much to the gleeful shock and amazement of a ragtag group of trade channel miscreants who weren't even thinking about the achievement. |
| 02:04.08 | Amarande | It could happen." |
| 02:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Reply 3. "Nothing is impossible, stop qqing and just go out and freakin' try." |
| 02:04.48 | Dagmar | Whether or not it's a pug is less relevant than the spec of the player's machines in the pug |
| 02:04.48 | Amarande | Definitely II or that. :) |
| 02:05.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, isn't that one mostly related to whether your machines are able to do Thaddius without excessive lag, and respond well enough to do the safety dance x 25? :) |
| 02:05.19 | Dagmar | Safety dance seems to kill people most of the time, simply due to low spec machines and high latency |
| 02:05.25 | Amarande | (Speaking of which, if you don't have The Safety Dance already, I'm assuming you're going to pick it up doing this one.) |
| 02:05.43 | Amarande | which really is one thing that I *love* about the achievement system |
| 02:05.45 | Dagmar | I have no problem with the dance |
| 02:05.57 | Dagmar | I'm usually one still doing damage and dropping smoke grenades at the same time |
| 02:05.59 | Amarande | even when things aren't designated as metas as such, usually most of the more spanning achievements result in you picking up a fair number of other ones on the way |
| 02:06.13 | Amarande | e.g., I'm -pretty- sure you cannot get Loremaster without getting Ambassador along the way |
| 02:06.20 | Dagmar | You can. |
| 02:06.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: Or at least, you'd have to go pretty out of your way to avoid the latter in order to pull that off :) |
| 02:06.42 | Dagmar | No you really don't. |
| 02:06.58 | Amarande | Ah right, I keep forgetting I'm a BE |
| 02:07.05 | Dagmar | If you generally don't give a crap about player cities, it's actually pretty easy to get to 80 and not be exalted with everyone |
| 02:07.16 | Dagmar | ...and get Loremaster |
| 02:07.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm speaking of the overall Loremaster achievement, the one that requires you get loremaster in Northrend, Outland *and* the Old World |
| 02:07.29 | Dagmar | I wouldn't have been able to buy an epic ram if I wasn't a dwarf |
| 02:07.36 | Dagmar | Yes, I know |
| 02:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | is bored. Bored bored bored. |
| 02:08.23 | Dagmar | I didn't hit exalted with ANYONE Alliance side until the tournament came out |
| 02:08.33 | Amarande | I also don't know the Alliance side of things, since I've never played Alliance past 43 except for a brief time as a DK to gather some items to pass through the neutral AH to get over onto my horde character |
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| 02:08.36 | Dagmar | I was far, far away from it with some cities, including Ironforge |
| 02:09.01 | Amarande | For Horde, judging by things, it seems like it would be pretty damn hard if not impossible to get loremaster without ambassador though |
| 02:09.11 | Amarande | Maybe if you're not a BE, since I've heard a lot of Silvermoon rep is from BE only quests |
| 02:10.14 | Amarande | Let's put it this way. If you use say Jame's guide (and did so in 2.3, which is when I did) to go 1-60 |
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| 02:10.27 | Amarande | You end up decently into Revered with everyone by the time you depart for Outland. |
| 02:10.39 | Amarande | You also are only about -half way- or so to each old world continent's Loremaster. |
| 02:10.39 | Dagmar | Not on Alliance |
| 02:11.01 | Dagmar | You can just forget about exalted with Gnomeregan unless you grind rep with them |
| 02:11.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, like I said, I don't know much about Alliance |
| 02:11.18 | Amarande | although I kinda expected it to be easier than you say it is |
| 02:11.21 | Dagmar | I didn't use a guide leveling up |
| 02:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | gnomes are fuxxy |
| 02:11.28 | Dagmar | I just did every, single, bloody, quest anyone had |
| 02:11.34 | Shirik | fuxxy? |
| 02:11.38 | Amarande | I didn't use a guide either, and I had a specific goal in mind as well with Sheriana, which was to have a kitty mount |
| 02:11.39 | alestane | Unfortunately, there aren't many chances for Gnomeregan Exiles rep. That was my last group. |
| 02:11.50 | Lopeppeppy | shirik, Icannot spell, remember? fussy. |
| 02:11.52 | Amarande | and I managed to get Exalted with Darnassus around dinging 40 without too much trouble. |
| 02:11.59 | Amarande | alestane: ahh, that's the trip-up |
| 02:12.06 | Amarande | sounds not as well balanced as Horde |
| 02:12.18 | Amarande | for Horde, the corresponding race would be Darkspear, I suppose (the only one who does not have a full capital city) |
| 02:12.25 | alestane | It's an issue. I hope Cataclysm will address it somewhat. |
| 02:12.25 | Amarande | and Darkspear is pretty easy to rep up with |
| 02:12.26 | Lopeppeppy | gnomes have always been hard. I think you can get them with spill over in like AV, or cloth turn ins. |
| 02:12.29 | Dagmar | I think it's a matter of Horde was "balanced" differently |
| 02:12.41 | Amarande | Partly, I suspect it has to do with Blackrock. |
| 02:12.55 | Dagmar | It looks like Alliance side you get very close to exalted with your home faction, and that's about all it guarantees |
| 02:13.10 | ZorbaBeta | I think getting Loremaster and getting Champion with each Argent Crusade faction pretty much immediately gives you Ambassador/Crusader |
| 02:13.11 | Amarande | Most of the level 60 dungeon quests seem to give quite a lot of rep with their givers |
| 02:13.24 | Amarande | and because of the location of Kargath in particular, a lot of Horde BRD/BRS quests end up coming from Troll NPCs |
| 02:13.31 | ZorbaBeta | at least, I've never ground faction rep, and I don't have Loremaster, and I got Crusader naturally |
| 02:13.39 | Amarande | which means a good number of the big dungeon 500's go to Darkspear |
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| 02:14.30 | A-KO | eh, it's so easy to get the reps now |
| 02:14.37 | Amarande | All I have left now for horde rep is TB and Undercity |
| 02:14.42 | Amarande | and only TB seems to require a significant amount more |
| 02:15.06 | Amarande | but that's because also I haven't done the Tauren starter quests yet, which I probably^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hvirtually certainly need to do |
| 02:15.09 | Dagmar | It's a safe bet you've had it easier because the low level quests for the other cities give full rep |
| 02:15.13 | Dagmar | That was not the case when I was leveling |
| 02:15.33 | Amarande | (you can barely skip a thing to get Loremaster of Kalimdor as Horde, basically, and as Mulgore is in Kalimdor and the Tauren starter quests are in Mulgore ... yeah.) |
| 02:15.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: ahh, did nerfed rep apply to quests back then too? |
| 02:16.02 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 02:16.03 | Lopeppeppy | Gonna be fun when they sink half of the starter areas for Cataclysm. |
| 02:16.03 | kd3 | nerfed rep applied to everything |
| 02:16.12 | kd3 | ground exalted the long way |
| 02:16.19 | kd3 | hi2u runecloth |
| 02:16.24 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure that when I got to WoW, the only nerfed rep was for grey kills |
| 02:16.26 | Lopeppeppy | refused to grind runecloth |
| 02:16.31 | Dagmar | I wound up turning in cloth for part of the rep grind, even with the Tournament |
| 02:16.43 | Amarande | I end up with tons and tons of cloth anyway naturally |
| 02:17.00 | Amarande | Argent Dawn rep grind will get you a metric shitload, and so will all the BRD and BRS runs you need for those quests |
| 02:17.22 | A-KO | remembers doing that stuff w/ nerfed rep gains. |
| 02:17.34 | A-KO | WoW's taken an interesting turn away from the "RPG" aspect though |
| 02:17.39 | A-KO | players don't really have to "choose" anymore |
| 02:17.44 | A-KO | you can have it all really |
| 02:18.09 | A-KO | eh, guess I've got SP RPGs for that sort of thing though :P |
| 02:18.15 | A-KO | Fable 2, etc. |
| 02:18.27 | Amarande | A-KO: few single player RPGs force you to choose that much either, though |
| 02:18.41 | Amarande | other than some classics like the later AD&D based games and Elder Scrolls |
| 02:18.52 | A-KO | yeah but you also have to consider a lot of them tend to be replayed, going down a different path |
| 02:18.57 | Amarande | on consoles, in particular, you tend to be able to be very completist in a single run |
| 02:19.26 | Amarande | still hasn't participated in the Tournament yet, other than one trip through reg TOC |
| 02:19.28 | A-KO | eh, that's not entirely true for something like Fable though. Where the choice tends to be the game's selling point. |
| 02:19.39 | Amarande | actually, our daily heroic tonight is TOC, but ... I never seem to manage to get into groups for it |
| 02:19.40 | A-KO | I dunno, it would be nice to have WoW force you to make a choice |
| 02:19.44 | Amarande | they're always full by the time I manage to get a response in :| |
| 02:20.06 | Amarande | I have better luck getting groups for Coren than I do for H TOC |
| 02:20.15 | Lopeppeppy | night everypeople! |
| 02:20.19 | Amarande | A-KO: that choice is pretty much 'alliance or horde' |
| 02:20.21 | Amarande | Night Peppy |
| 02:20.34 | Amarande | actually, wait, that's not really a choice, because 'horde' is the only reasonable answer to that. :) |
| 02:21.01 | Amarande | maybe some of you will beg to differ, but I just don't have *fun* as alliance |
| 02:21.11 | theorbtwo | I still think the game would be improved by *not* having ally or horde be an explicit choice at char creation time so much as a continuing choice. |
| 02:21.24 | Amarande | theorbtwo: that's called 'paid faction change' :) |
| 02:21.42 | Amarande | say, did they fix the rep bug with paid faction change yet? |
| 02:21.42 | theorbtwo | (That is, you should be able to gain rep with the other side, and loose it with your side to the point of hostile if you aren't careful about it.) |
| 02:22.05 | Amarande | I remember reading on the forums that some folks did a paid faction change and it caused all of their rep with non-Alliance/Horde based factions to be wiped |
| 02:22.06 | theorbtwo | The hard part is not letting players accidentally be hated by everybody. |
| 02:22.20 | Amarande | theorbtwo: it's also a difficult matter for Horde, in particular |
| 02:22.36 | Amarande | because of the population of so many of the neutral areas being rather slanted towards Alliance races |
| 02:22.38 | A-KO | theorbtwo: Unfortunately that goes against the overarching story where Blizzard wants to tell you, rather than have you choose, which factions are allied with each other. Perhaps at some point in the future, but I'm not too sure about that. |
| 02:22.55 | Amarande | if we lost Horde rep every time we did a quest for an Alliance NPC, Outland would hurt, a lot |
| 02:23.16 | theorbtwo | A-KO: Maybe. Part of what annoys me about WoW is that the story is muddled. |
| 02:23.22 | A-KO | how so? |
| 02:23.25 | A-KO | Seems well enough to me |
| 02:23.25 | Amarande | Even assuming you went Scryers all the way to help balance things out by helping the BEs, it seems like most Shattrath quest folk were Draenei or human |
| 02:24.00 | theorbtwo | The story I want to hear is two old foes which got together to fight bigger battles, against off-planet enemies. |
| 02:24.07 | Amarande | A similar situation would befall the Alliance at higher levels in the Old World, since Goblins are (as of Cata anyway) a Horde race, so logically every time you helped out a goblin you would have to lose rep with Alliance |
| 02:24.15 | Amarande | and since so much 40-60 content is goblin based ... |
| 02:24.27 | A-KO | Amarande: that can be explained by the goblins being of different cartels |
| 02:24.40 | A-KO | so NPCs can be of different choosing of who they're allied with or who they talk to. |
| 02:24.41 | theorbtwo | Ah, I was more thinking that you'd only loose rep with quests that explicitly are about screwing the other guys. |
| 02:24.41 | Amarande | A-KO: Okay, but still, what about the Horde in Outland issue? |
| 02:24.42 | Codayus | Amarande: Your assuming all members of a given race must be members of the same faction. |
| 02:24.48 | NightHawkTheSane | race != faction. |
| 02:24.51 | theorbtwo | PvP quests, pretty much. |
| 02:24.51 | Amarande | Unless you give WAY WAY more quests to the Scryers to help balance things out ... |
| 02:25.06 | Amarande | Ahh. |
| 02:25.17 | Amarande | Yeah, there seem to be fairly few of those. |
| 02:25.19 | Codayus | This is not true. There are multiple cartels of goblins, tribes of trolls, whatever the hell you call the thing with dwarves, tauren, um...pretty much everyone. |
| 02:25.29 | Amarande | And I don't think I've ever seen a 'betray your faction' PvP quest |
| 02:25.34 | Amarande | Codayus: Dwarves have clans. |
| 02:25.38 | Amarande | Dark Iron Clan, for instance. :) |
| 02:25.45 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 02:25.50 | A-KO | You, as your character, are allied to a faction. That's not really something you get to choose :P |
| 02:26.03 | Amarande | Which I should know well, seeing as I've been questing so much in Blackrock lately that I think I had a dream about BRD the other night :| |
| 02:26.17 | theorbtwo | Amarande: That's because the PvP questgivers will attempt to kill you. You'd have to become friendly with the "wrong side" first, then go about becomming unfriendly with your own, pretty much. |
| 02:26.17 | A-KO | I just am glad that Blizzard has gotten back to Warcraft rather than Spacecraft |
| 02:26.28 | Codayus | If you don't lose faction as a human for clearing BRD (or a troll for clearing ZG/ZF/ZA/Sunken Temple/whatever) then it's clear there's little or no race loyalty. |
| 02:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | er? |
| 02:26.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: yeah, and there's plenty of npcs that are friendly with a normally "opposed" faction, so its clear that faction and alliance is not defined by race alone |
| 02:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | points at SC2 |
| 02:26.54 | Amarande | Night: however, it's clear that there's more race loyalty than we'd like to think |
| 02:26.58 | A-KO | what I mean ScytheBlade1, is I don't play WoW to hear about space shit :P |
| 02:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 02:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes indeed |
| 02:27.06 | Amarande | for instance, almost EVERY human quest giver, even the neutral ones, will say "For the Alliance" on a regular basis in voice |
| 02:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed entirely |
| 02:27.12 | NightHawkTheSane | It's not either/or |
| 02:27.16 | Codayus | NHTS: Exactly. All that's really clear is that PLAYERS must be members of their assigned faction. NPCs, very obviously, don't. |
| 02:27.16 | A-KO | dragons, wizards, orges, orcs, etc. |
| 02:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it's both, neither, somewhere in the middle |
| 02:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: precisely, really. |
| 02:27.39 | Amarande | A-KO: I take it you don't like Draenei very much. :) |
| 02:27.50 | Amarande | Oddly, Draenei are the only Alliance race I usually find it fun to play. |
| 02:28.03 | Codayus | This also applies to languages. During the AQ war effort - and thousands of times throughout the entire game - you can talk to NPCs of the opposing faction. |
| 02:28.04 | Amarande | Maybe it's because they're the only ones who aren't "generic D&D PC race" types |
| 02:28.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that's a technical limitation that morons who read too much into the game like to think has any bearing on anything at all |
| 02:28.15 | Codayus | So apparently NPCs can learn "enemy" languages, but you can't. |
| 02:28.21 | A-KO | Amarande: it's not that I dislike them, but I definitely think Blizzard took a way too wrong of a turn with Outland. TBH, Outland should not have been opened up first in the expansions if they wanted to go the direction they did. |
| 02:28.45 | Amarande | Codayus: I think PCs being able to learn additional languages was something originally on the Blizzard drawing board, but it was cut for some reason I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 02:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: That's actually a curious things |
| 02:28.50 | Codayus | (Also, the voice acting when you click on NPCs clearly can't be trusted. You can find, for example, DEAD BODIES that cheerfully say normal things when clicked.) |
| 02:28.52 | Amarande | it's why languages are listed on your character stats as a 300/300 skill |
| 02:29.05 | A-KO | Codayus: WoW-story alone, all races can learn all languages. However, for gameplay reasons, they kept you from doing that |
| 02:29.11 | A-KO | didn't the forsaken originally speak Common? |
| 02:29.17 | theorbtwo | I was really disappointed that after doing the Dranei quest line to learn furblog that I couldn't actually speak furblog. |
| 02:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: because the game itself has actually utilized the language barrier as a plot element |
| 02:29.42 | theorbtwo | A-KO: That'd make a lot of sense, considering they are dead humans, and the NPCs remember their previous lives. |
| 02:29.50 | A-KO | the language barrier is "your" barrier, keep that in mind when it comes to the story. It's not that no race can't learn other languages, it's that your character has not. |
| 02:30.19 | theorbtwo | A-KO: But we are also given no oppurtunity to learn. |
| 02:30.24 | A-KO | I'm sure at some point early on they were going to figure out some way to allow you to do so, but to be honest, I like the fact that you can't. |
| 02:30.35 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: yeah. and like any element in a story, it shows up when it progresses the story, and fades away when it doesnt |
| 02:31.18 | A-KO | The game wouldn't be nearly as hateful if you could shit talk the other faction |
| 02:31.18 | theorbtwo | It's the same as not being able to gain or loose rep with the other side -- they are cast as The Enemy, even when the lore says that we're at peace against a common foe. |
| 02:31.18 | Amarande | Not to mention any change to this wouldn't just have to go through Design. |
| 02:31.25 | Amarande | It would have to actually be at least mentioned to Legal, as well, because of the TOS about cross-faction communication. |
| 02:31.26 | A-KO | in fact, part of the shit talking and "faction siding" IRL is directly related to the fact that you cannot talk to the other faction |
| 02:31.31 | Codayus | *nod* Characters follow different rules. Jaina can be freinds with an orc. Players simply cannot. You could roleplay it as "all PCs are xenophobic" or you could just not think too much about it. |
| 02:31.36 | Amarande | And from what I know about game design ... devs HATE talking to legal. :) |
| 02:31.39 | theorbtwo | It's a way of having turing-complete enemies, on the cheap. |
| 02:31.54 | Iriel | It's my understanding that the lack of cross-faction communication is precisely BECAUSE of shit talking |
| 02:32.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: the trick is (as with many thigns) a strong sense of suspension-of-disbelief |
| 02:32.02 | A-KO | yeah Iriel |
| 02:32.05 | A-KO | pretty much |
| 02:32.10 | A-KO | but it also creates hatred |
| 02:32.14 | A-KO | because you can't talk shit to the other guy |
| 02:32.16 | A-KO | you bottle it up |
| 02:32.18 | ZorbaBeta | in a lot of ways I still really love how Eve handled the whole griefing/shit-talking issue |
| 02:32.19 | Codayus | (Also, whether or not to allow cross faction communication was a big point of contention during development, apparently. In the end they opted against it in order to try and increase the tension between factions, apparently.) |
| 02:32.23 | A-KO | by the time you hit max level you're like "FUCKING <ALLY/HORDE>" |
| 02:32.24 | alestane | A-KO: I've heard that in early versions of the game, it was possible to talk to the other side. It got too nasty too much of the time. |
| 02:32.24 | ZorbaBeta | but it just wouldn't work for WoW |
| 02:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: I think they like it as a story element as well, but i'm sure that's true as well |
| 02:32.25 | Amarande | At the least, it would involve Blizzard having to spend legal dollars to modify the TOS and run it past the usual approval squad in order to remove/revise the cross-faction communication clause acceptably. |
| 02:32.45 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: I think that's only been the case SINCE they decided to prohibit it |
| 02:32.48 | Amarande | (Pro Tip: Companies hate spending money if they don't have to.) |
| 02:33.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: yeah, could be |
| 02:33.03 | A-KO | allowing cross faction communication would ruin the game |
| 02:33.04 | A-KO | :P |
| 02:33.14 | Codayus | At least as I heard it, there was zero story/lore reasoning behind it; it was purely to make the "other" faction seem more alien and thus worth ganking. :) |
| 02:33.27 | A-KO | Codayus: and it has paid off well |
| 02:33.36 | A-KO | think of the loyalty people have IRL to their WoW faction. |
| 02:33.43 | A-KO | the people that get the horde or ally logos tattooed on their bodies, etc. |
| 02:34.00 | Amarande | A-KO: meh, it would make it easier to arrange with a friend to smuggle crafting recipes cross-faction, rather than having to go through the whole "okay, once I put the stuff up on the AH, I'll /wave at you to indicate" before switching characters. |
| 02:34.17 | Amarande | And maybe some folks will say this goes against the spirit of WoW, but seeing as there are achievements like Chef De Cuisine that essentially REQUIRE such smuggling ... |
| 02:34.24 | theorbtwo | OTOH, I love playing my Horde char now becuase it's lots of content that I haven't already seen. |
| 02:34.34 | Codayus | Amarande: They don't require it at all. |
| 02:34.37 | Amarande | A-KO: don't forget the t-shirt industry :) |
| 02:34.52 | Amarande | Codayus: unless you actively create an alliance character to smuggle, say, the recipe from the Draenei starter area ... |
| 02:35.02 | Codayus | Amarande: Not needed. |
| 02:35.13 | Amarande | c'mon, how many starting draenei are actually going to put up the moongraze tenderloin recipe on the AH, let alone the neutral AH (if they even *know* there's a neutral AH) |
| 02:35.16 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: yeah, i like playing alliance now and then just to see a whole bunch of quest content that i otherwise wouldn't |
| 02:35.33 | Amarande | Codayus: Okay, maybe you don't need *any one specific* Alliance side recipe but you do need *most* of them |
| 02:35.36 | Codayus | Amarande: The answer is: "lots, because it's worth a lot of gold". Unless your on a fail server. |
| 02:35.50 | Codayus | :) |
| 02:35.52 | Amarande | you can go without maybe 1-3 of them, depending on your class and raid experience. |
| 02:36.01 | theorbtwo | OTOH, rep means I've seen the other ally race's starting areas quite a lot. |
| 02:36.19 | Amarande | You get one extra recipe of leeway if you are a Rogue, since you can get the Thistle Tea recipe (or if you are lucky enough to be on a server where some folks still have the old BoE Thistle Tea recipe -and- you have the over nine thousand gold to buy it) |
| 02:36.37 | Amarande | You get one more recipe of leeway if you do the AQ40 chain to the Chimaerok Chops point. |
| 02:36.56 | Amarande | But without those two, you can literally miss out on like, *one* cross faction recipe currently and still get the achievement |
| 02:37.11 | Amarande | (I *think* there are 163 cooking recipes right now not counting the upcoming DotD/PB ones, according to Ackis) |
| 02:37.56 | Amarande | Codayus: actually, I don't think I've ever seen a cooking recipe on this server go for more than a hundred gold or so at most |
| 02:37.59 | Amarande | other than SDD |
| 02:38.18 | Amarande | (and I suppose Chimaerok, but I've never actually seen that one on the AH ... a friend tells me that's got a going rate of about 20k gold though) |
| 02:39.09 | Amarande | Turalyon is rather progression/endgame content oriented. Since low level xfaction recipes don't really help you progress, they're not seen much. |
| 02:39.44 | Amarande | (especially since you don't need CDC for the Chef title, only Sous Chef) |
| 02:39.59 | theorbtwo | wonders how many recipies there are that are really hard / impossible to get the *second* time. |
| 02:40.13 | Amarande | theorbtwo: a fair number are only available via one quest |
| 02:40.19 | theorbtwo | That's what I thought. |
| 02:40.33 | Amarande | so if you sold/traded it once, you'll have to make a throwaway toon to get them again without tears |
| 02:40.41 | Amarande | actually, that's a reason I may never, ever have a permanent DK on Turalyon |
| 02:40.55 | Amarande | the DK slot is too useful as a temporary to gather up old world quest things like that |
| 02:41.03 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: last i checked, a LOT of the quested recipes were available from a vendor somewhere |
| 02:41.25 | Codayus | NHTS: That's true of alliance, but not, I think, horde. Rather odd, really. |
| 02:41.42 | theorbtwo | So you need a char who is going to do the quest, and then auction it off instead of reading it. In the neutral auction house, to boot. That really sounds like it's going to be an alt of yours. |
| 02:41.44 | Codayus | (Or maybe alliance just has more quests that reward cooking recipes?) |
| 02:41.57 | Amarande | theorbtwo: *and you cannot buy from your own alts* |
| 02:41.59 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:42.02 | Shirik | word to the wise: |
| 02:42.05 | Amarande | which is WHY I said that cross-faction emote communication is virtually required for some achievements |
| 02:42.14 | Shirik | getting drunk before the first TOC 25 Heroic fight == bad idea |
| 02:42.22 | theorbtwo | Interestingly, I could have sworn that at some point I read that you couldn't play both sides on the same server. |
| 02:42.28 | theorbtwo | Amarande: Oh. There goes that theory. |
| 02:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: alliance DOES have more quests that reward recipes, yes. |
| 02:42.33 | Amarande | theorbtwo: that only applied to PvP servers, and only in the past |
| 02:42.40 | theorbtwo | Amarande: Aha. |
| 02:42.43 | Amarande | PvE servers never had the prohibition on dual faction play, IIRC |
| 02:42.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: i thought horde quested recipes were available for purchase somewhere, though.. |
| 02:43.11 | NightHawkTheSane | like, the couple recipes you get from quests in TM can be bought from a vendor in Desolace |
| 02:43.14 | Codayus | Ah? Could be. I know for Alliance there's a vendor with almost all of them in Stormwind. |
| 02:43.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 02:43.21 | Amarande | Codayus: Not quite all. |
| 02:43.41 | Amarande | The ones I remember you HAD to quest for are the one in Hillsbrad, the one in the Draenei starter area & one other I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 02:43.44 | Codayus | Amarande: That's what I said. Do you read what people write? |
| 02:44.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: i doubt it. it would intrude on his mindless raving. ;) |
| 02:44.47 | Amarande | But yeah, basically nobody sells off the quest recipes on the AH. |
| 02:45.06 | Amarande | Precisely -because-, at least until Pilgrim's Bounty, you need basically all of them to make Chef de Cuisine |
| 02:45.17 | Amarande | and chances are, if you're bothering to do those quests at all it's because you want to complete your cooking list to that point |
| 02:46.05 | Amarande | Once DotD and PB have passed, there will be 169 cooking recipes and it will be much less tight to get that ach |
| 02:46.18 | theorbtwo | Hm, I did one of the unbuyable ones for a few points of Dranei rep. Maybe I should have sold it. |
| 02:47.09 | Amarande | But like I said, right now, there's only 163 for rogues, 162 for non-rogues, and one of those 162 is almost totally impractical to go for. |
| 02:47.37 | Amarande | It may even be impossible after Cata, depending on what they do to old world instances and bosses. |
| 02:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: actually, a quick look at wowhead reveals that there are.. 7 recipes that are quest rewards that cannot be purchased elsewhere |
| 02:48.09 | Amarande | Night: ahh, I must have got lucky on a few of them then |
| 02:48.19 | Amarande | I only remember needing to make the DK to do three recipe quests |
| 02:48.28 | NightHawkTheSane | two are faction-neutral, two are horde quest rewards, and 3 are alliance quest rewards |
| 02:48.35 | Amarande | oh, right. :) |
| 02:48.41 | Amarande | I assumed you meant 7 alliance ones |
| 02:48.57 | Amarande | But yeah, that validates my point that Horde have to have cross-faction cooperation to get CDC |
| 02:49.17 | Amarande | unless they're a rogue *and* did the AQ40 chain |
| 02:49.21 | theorbtwo | I'm betting there's something pretty big we're missing there. As other people have poined out, there seem to be holes in the level progression. |
| 02:49.30 | Codayus | I got all enemy recipes on my main rather trivially without ever visiting a neutral AH. |
| 02:50.04 | theorbtwo | Codayus: Just killed whatever was in your way to talk to the questgivers? |
| 02:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd probably have to check my character to see, but yeah, I've picked up most enemy recipes on my main as well, mostly through the horde AH |
| 02:50.25 | Codayus | Nope, all on the main faction AH. *shrug* Fairly cheap too. |
| 02:50.31 | Amarande | I got most of them through the horde AH and then got to 158/ and was stuck |
| 02:50.54 | Amarande | and since I didn't care to wait till PB (plus, I figured, I came this far so I might as well finish it ...) |
| 02:50.57 | NightHawkTheSane | but, that said, if you ignore purchasable recipes, tehre's not really a huge faction imabalance |
| 02:51.05 | Codayus | Currently missing the deviate delight recipe (too lazy to farm, might just buy the silly thing), and the AQ gate chain recipe (done all prereqs but can't talk to the questgiver until I raise my goblin rep a bit.) |
| 02:51.30 | Amarande | I'm only missing the AQ chain recipe and Thistle Tea |
| 02:51.37 | Codayus | And swift thistle tea, which is annoying, since I was actually playing when non-rogues could get it. |
| 02:51.43 | Amarande | the former I'll probably get at some point, unless I don't have it by Cata release and they ruin the AQ chain with Cata |
| 02:51.48 | Amarande | the latter ... well ... |
| 02:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Honestly, I got my chef title, I can feel okay about not having the 160 recipes acheivement |
| 02:52.02 | Amarande | maybe I'll get really really lucky and someone will have an old copy of the BoE recipe stashed away somewhere. LOL |
| 02:52.05 | theorbtwo | Gotta catch em all! |
| 02:52.08 | Codayus | I got 160 recipes well before getting the chef title. |
| 02:52.23 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 02:52.25 | Amarande | Apparently there have been a few copies of it sold on various servers since Chef de Cuisine was released as an achievement |
| 02:52.34 | Amarande | generally for like, 10,000+ gold |
| 02:52.53 | Amarande | the weird thing is that the TT recipe is actually generally cheaper on the AH than the Chimaerok one |
| 02:53.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: i just lose interest in collection type stuff fairly easily |
| 02:53.05 | Amarande | the Chimaerok one runs about 20,000 when it shows up on servers apparently |
| 02:53.38 | Amarande | actually, I suppose I can do with a small hole in my recipe list |
| 02:53.52 | Amarande | I'm not going to be able to finish Amarelya's tailoring recipe list, for instance, since some of the recipes are no longer available (Naxx60 stuff, mainly) |
| 02:53.54 | NightHawkTheSane | because the idiocy required to get the last few things required to complete a collection are far mroe inane and grindy than i like |
| 02:54.05 | Codayus | Heh |
| 02:54.35 | Amarande | It's also going to be fun to, since she's an enchanter, find the groups to do enough farming of ZG, ZA, and Kara to finish that list |
| 02:54.53 | Codayus | Kara is a 100% drop rate now. |
| 02:54.57 | Codayus | I thing ZA may be as well. |
| 02:55.00 | Amarande | not to mention apparently she HAS to become a relatively high end WotLK raider at some point. :| |
| 02:55.17 | Amarande | Codayus: ahh, so that should be one week each, assuming I don't end up grouped with a ton of other enchanters with the same idea |
| 02:55.54 | Amarande | (Speaking of which, why are the top end enchanting recipes added with 3.2 BoP, while the other recipes were all BoE?) |
| 02:56.20 | Codayus | Amarande: The non-enchanting recipes require Crusader Orbs. |
| 02:56.27 | Codayus | The enchanting recipes don't. |
| 02:56.36 | tem|afk | 3.2 added enchanting recipies? |
| 02:56.40 | Amarande | tem: yeah, a couple |
| 02:56.43 | Amarande | blade ward I think was one |
| 02:56.48 | Codayus | ...that wasn't 3.2 |
| 02:56.54 | Amarande | ah, was that Ulduar? |
| 02:56.59 | Codayus | Actually, I don't think there's any 3.2 ones. |
| 02:57.05 | tem|afk | I'm pretty sure there aren't |
| 02:57.13 | Codayus | (If there WERE, what I said would apply though.) :-D |
| 02:57.17 | Amarande | I took my long break before Ulduar, so now I'm a bit fuzzy on what stuff was 3.1 and what was 3.2 |
| 02:57.59 | Amarande | But yeah, I keep getting this impression that Blizzard wants enchanters in particular to raid. Heh. |
| 02:58.24 | Amarande | Not that Amarelya should have any trouble finding groups when *she* hits 80. |
| 02:58.29 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=9.8&filter=cr=82;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 02:58.36 | Amarande | since, well, everyone wants a priest, unless you totally go out of your way to fail at it |
| 02:58.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ enchanting recipes added in 3.2 |
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| 02:59.29 | Amarande | ok, so the BoP ones were 3.1, then |
| 02:59.56 | Amarande | Or, do Blade Ward and the other one only actually have any significance for specific raid encounters and no really pressing use in 5-mans? |
| 03:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | they're useful enchants, period. |
| 03:00.50 | Amarande | (it would be interesting if one of those enchants was made to help non-DKs be able to pull Auriaya without dropping dead in a fraction of a second, but it doesn't look like BW is -that- strong) |
| 03:00.54 | NightHawkTheSane | about as useful in 5 mans as everything eles that drops in ulduar is |
| 03:01.21 | NightHawkTheSane | the only thing required to do that is players who aren't terrible |
| 03:01.25 | Codayus | Blade Ward is a solid general purpose tanking enchant. I'd say Blood Drinker is better, especially for hard modes, but again, it's just a general tanking enchant. |
| 03:02.33 | Amarande | and groups that aren't elitist meter maids about taking people |
| 03:02.35 | Amarande | speaking of which ... |
| 03:02.52 | Amarande | people seem to be rather laid-back about who they take for Coren (to the point that my first Coren group didn't even have a -healer-) |
| 03:03.04 | Amarande | but they seem to be very picky about who they take for raids, even PUG raids. why is this? |
| 03:03.12 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yeah? because coren's a fucking joke |
| 03:03.21 | Amarande | from what I've been reading, WotLK has made things so ez-mode that you basically have to TRY to fail at WoW to fail at it. |
| 03:03.21 | Codayus | ....it's because Coren doesn't need a healer, or a full group. |
| 03:03.27 | Codayus | And raids do. |
| 03:03.32 | Codayus | And no. |
| 03:03.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, the blissful ignorance of someone who hasn't tried the hard content |
| 03:03.58 | Amarande | Night: from a DPS standpoint, is it any different from the usual formula? |
| 03:04.05 | Amarande | i.e., pewpew, don't let dots drop, don't stand in the XXX |
| 03:04.19 | NightHawkTheSane | depending on the fight, yes. |
| 03:04.42 | Codayus | Hard stuff in Wrath is as hard as anything Bliz has done. The easy stuff if more *accesible*, and arguably more casual, but not really easier... |
| 03:04.52 | Amarande | and really, the elitism about taking people doesn't get limited to just the hard modes |
| 03:04.57 | Codayus | There's also a lot of target switching needed. |
| 03:05.02 | Amarande | I've seen meter maidism for 5-man heroics sometimes |
| 03:05.08 | NightHawkTheSane | but clearly, if you're so ignorant as to think that ALL the content in wotlk is easymode, when I know for a fact you havent done any significant hard mode content... |
| 03:05.10 | Codayus | Aslo interupts. |
| 03:05.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i dont know what else there is to say |
| 03:05.20 | Amarande | Codayus: which is not something that meter-pumping shows you have skill at, though :) |
| 03:05.41 | Amarande | usually, these yokels choose people based solely on what their Recount history shows, heh |
| 03:05.50 | Amarande | wonders how many of these raids fail horribly. :) |
| 03:06.07 | Amarande | come to think of it, maybe being rejected by some groups is a blessing heh |
| 03:06.20 | NightHawkTheSane | for someone who doesn't actually do any of the content, you sure as hell do a lot of bitching and moaning about it. |
| 03:06.38 | Amarande | Night: you mean "for someone who would be happy to do the content if I had groups for it" |
| 03:06.50 | NightHawkTheSane | thats 100% your own fault/problem. |
| 03:06.51 | Codayus | Amarande: How much DPS do you do? |
| 03:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | quit laying blame everywhere else. |
| 03:07.06 | Amarande | Codayus: About 2300, which is about what Rawr says I should be doing sans buff food/flask/raid buffs |
| 03:07.19 | Amarande | which means any further upgrade at this point is going to have to come from improved gear |
| 03:08.03 | Amarande | however, I'm not sure how I'm going to get the improved gear when an increasing number of groups want 3K to be able to PST to their LFM |
| 03:08.19 | Amarande | somehow, I don't think spellpower food and a flask of the frostwyrm are going to improve my dps by 700 |
| 03:08.53 | Codayus | You don't routinely use flask and food? |
| 03:08.55 | Amarande | from what I'm hearing about destro, maybe I could eke out another hundred or two by switching to that, but I'm not sure, and again it's not going to give me 700 that I know of |
| 03:08.58 | Amarande | Codayus: not in 5-mans |
| 03:09.22 | Amarande | and since I haven't actually had a group for 10+ man content since, well, kara ... |
| 03:09.31 | Amarande | I did use food and flask when I went to Kara back in the day though |
| 03:09.41 | Amarande | but again, I didn't use them in 5-mans then either |
| 03:09.55 | Codayus | Armory link? |
| 03:10.19 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin |
| 03:13.32 | Amarande | I don't have enough EoC/EoT yet to buy anything useful. |
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| 03:17.01 | Codayus | Wow, that's pretty terrible gear. |
| 03:17.30 | Amarande | It was pretty good for someone doing heroics before the days of current badges and who only got back a couple weeks ago. |
| 03:17.57 | Amarande | Remember, back in the day we only had measly EoH to use. |
| 03:18.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: is it terrible in that it's just not high level gear? or terrible in that it's poorly chosen? |
| 03:18.29 | Codayus | Heh |
| 03:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | because really, if its just not high level gear, thats not terrible, its just not high level. you don't expect people to just pop into t9 ;) |
| 03:19.02 | Codayus | Amarande: Highly recommend, in no particular order... Farming Normal TOC5, it drops epics for slots you have blues in, and is trivial. |
| 03:19.18 | Codayus | Your a JC and your NOT USING Dragon Eyes. |
| 03:19.44 | Amarande | *That* I should do something about. |
| 03:20.13 | Codayus | Farming heroics in general, especially Heroic TOC5 |
| 03:21.09 | Amarande | hmm ... think I can get a third JC token right now, and I've already gotten two. |
| 03:21.24 | Amarande | I used my last four Eyes before that to make the Spellshock Ring instead :S |
| 03:21.28 | Codayus | Dragon Eye's are BOE, run ~100g on my server. |
| 03:21.51 | Amarande | How about the blue grade gems where I could use epics ... worth bothering with or not yet? |
| 03:22.09 | kd3 | unless you're 'zomg must raid ToC heroic', not really |
| 03:22.11 | Amarande | (I'm thinking maybe an RCR in the helm, because it's going to be especially long before I get a good headpiece UG) |
| 03:22.13 | tem|afk | I wouldn't waste money on epic gems until I was wearing >219 gear |
| 03:22.23 | Codayus | Also, if your not gold strapped, the crafted Crusader Orb bracers are pretty nice. ~6k gold or so. The robe is very very nice, but more like ~10k gold. |
| 03:22.32 | Amarande | I need more money. :| |
| 03:22.43 | Codayus | There's also some crafted Runic Orb gear which is much cheaper; I never looked at it since I've got better raid drops. |
| 03:22.49 | Amarande | I've only got about 1500, and I'm thinking the first 8800 at this point should be earmarked for getting the 226 Kirin Tor ring. |
| 03:23.57 | ZorbaBeta | honestly the kirin tor rings probably aren't worth it unless you really want the port and/or achievement |
| 03:24.19 | Amarande | hmm ... the port could be useful once I really get back to working on loremaster |
| 03:24.25 | Amarande | since I so often feel the need to set my hearth back in the old world |
| 03:24.26 | NightHawkTheSane | or have gobs of money to burn |
| 03:24.34 | Codayus | *nod* You can get a second epic ring running normal TOC5. |
| 03:24.48 | Amarande | (Sometimes for convenience, other times because some quests, like Mother's Milk, basically -require- your hearth to be in a certain spot) |
| 03:24.57 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, what ilvl are the epics from toc5 & heroic toc5? |
| 03:25.03 | Amarande | 200 and 219, I believe |
| 03:25.11 | Codayus | 200 for normal, 219 for heroic. |
| 03:25.22 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, good, i can not feel bad about completely missing that stuff. |
| 03:25.24 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure the main selling point of TOC5 is just that everything's epic, rather than that it's higher grade epic than other heroic stuff |
| 03:25.34 | Amarande | at least, regular TOC5 |
| 03:25.40 | Amarande | heroic TOC5 actually has better epics :) |
| 03:25.49 | Codayus | Since normal toc5 is 1) trivially easy 2) very fast, and 3) farmable, there's no reason to NOT have normal toc5 gear or better in any slot it drops. |
| 03:25.53 | NightHawkTheSane | is thinking about finding a new guild and getting back into raiding |
| 03:25.59 | Amarande | If I could sneak into an Onyxia raid, I might get the warlock helm ... but that's not a very high % |
| 03:26.15 | Amarande | and I'll be lucky to sneak into an Onyxia raid once with my meters, so I'll wait till I actually need to do so for the AQ40 chain |
| 03:26.54 | Codayus | Your fixation on meters is weird. I wouldn't invite you because your gear is terrible *and* easily improvable, which indicates you don't much care. |
| 03:27.08 | Codayus | I would have no idea what you do on meters until you were actually in the raid. :) |
| 03:27.36 | Amarande | Codayus: whenever I'm in a city with access to /2, I've been expressing interest whenever a group is asking for DPS for either a heroic (or for Coren, since it's Brewfest), but not having much luck due mainly, apparently, to full groups |
| 03:27.48 | Amarande | I suppose I can try /4. |
| 03:28.08 | Amarande | Speaking of which, I *really* wish there was an "any heroic" option for LFG. |
| 03:28.22 | ZorbaBeta | even better would be "any heroic I'm not saved to" |
| 03:28.32 | Amarande | As it is, you have to specifically say, and basically thus have to limit yourself to "the daily, TOC, and H-TOC if it's not the daily" |
| 03:28.33 | Codayus | Make some friends, start your own groups. :) |
| 03:28.38 | ZorbaBeta | blizzard is really shockingly good at dropping the ball on things actually being useful |
| 03:29.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i could have sworn i saw some improvements along that line.. |
| 03:29.08 | kd3 | usefull stuff? from blizz? |
| 03:29.09 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.11 | Codayus | And yes, use the LFG tool, flag yourself for any heroic, then periodically mention on the actual channel what heroics your looking for. |
| 03:29.20 | kd3 | wonders when he was in bizzaro-world |
| 03:29.40 | Amarande | I'm still worried about CSLFG though. |
| 03:30.07 | Amarande | It keeps sounding like 3.3 is going to make it really hard to make the jump from crappyish gear to good gear as DPS, since CSLFG will allow so much more cherry-picking. |
| 03:30.16 | Codayus | (My server also has a channel people hang out in looking for pug heroics and raids, which is very helpful, but I understand that's fairly unsual. *shrug* It's been running continously since launch though.) |
| 03:30.30 | Amarande | Codayus: It's not Turalyon Horde side by any luck is it? :) |
| 03:30.36 | Codayus | No. :) |
| 03:32.39 | Amarande | At least they kept the badge costs reasonable this time, which both helps people upgrade their gear faster and helps avoid some of the issues I think happened with BC |
| 03:32.52 | Amarande | specifically BC once they started giving BT-grade gear for badges |
| 03:33.23 | Amarande | which, of course, caused T5/6 guilds to want to use badges mainly to fill in needed raid gear slots, which in turn, with 100+ badge costs made them feel the need to only take those who could really blaze through heroics |
| 03:33.59 | Codayus | The TBC problem was they used the same badges for everything, just dropping more in raids. Which meant that by the end they HAD to crank badge costs up because people were doing 2h Kara zergs and netting piles of badges. |
| 03:34.15 | Codayus | The tiered badges seem to be giving them more control now. |
| 03:34.39 | Amarande | Also, the fact that they added badges to raid content in significant quantity pretty much killed 5-mans altogether. |
| 03:35.10 | Amarande | It could have also been a case of 5-mans being badly tuned in difficulty, since the times I went to Kara, I went with groups that were not especially choosy, and we still had a HELL of a lot easier of a time than I EVER had in a BC heroic |
| 03:35.30 | Codayus | Yes... Whereas everyone wants to do the dail heroic no matter what, and there's even significant interest in normal heroics. Conquest badges are useful for most people. |
| 03:35.30 | Amarande | I wasn't aware that heroics were supposed to be the progression step past kara ... I thought it was *supposed* to be the other way round heh |
| 03:35.53 | Fisker | farts on Amarande |
| 03:36.07 | Amarande | I'm also not entirely sure how people managed to fail at kara |
| 03:36.16 | Amarande | except maybe on netherspite, because netherspite is an annoying dancey battle |
| 03:36.23 | Amarande | and prince, because prince is heavily RNG dependent |
| 03:36.54 | Amarande | (basically, with prince it's way way too easy to get screwed based on where he feels like dumping an infernal after half the raid goes to 1hp) |
| 03:37.08 | kd3 | protip: look up |
| 03:37.19 | Amarande | on the good side, I rather liked trying Prince as a lock |
| 03:37.19 | kd3 | whole point of the prince fight |
| 03:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: pfft. protip: kill him faster ;) |
| 03:37.42 | Amarande | mainly because I virtually never had to worry about mana, since I could lifetap like crazy knowing I'd be at 1hp soon anyway, and that I'd be fully healed after the debuff anyway :) |
| 03:38.36 | Codayus | Mmm, yes. The TBC idea was progression would be 5 > 10 > 25. Except that was too hard for the bads, so the nerfed the entry level raids below the 5 man difficulty. |
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| 03:38.42 | Codayus | So nobody did them. |
| 03:39.21 | Codayus | In Wrath, they tuned the entry level raids correctly from the start (IMHO), and balanced 5 man difficulty around them, so it all works out correctly. |
| 03:39.29 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:40.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: well it was also that some of the heroics were tuned too hard for the gear you'd expect to have. that much as basically been admitted |
| 03:42.10 | Codayus | *shrug* Depends how hard they were meant to be. Seemed more like radically changing design philosophys halfway through than a mistake, as such. |
| 03:42.25 | NightHawkTheSane | probably some of both |
| 03:43.03 | Codayus | I got the strong feeling the original plan was casuals would mostly be limited to normal 5 mans, people who wanted a real challenge did heroics. Well, they were a real challenge all right. I never even did Durnholde. Ick. |
| 03:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | I think they kind of wanted to go in that direction, but in doing so did make them -too- hard. And combined with the itemization.. it sent real mixed messeges |
| 03:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | messages* man i cannot type tonight |
| 03:44.08 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 03:44.42 | Codayus | Even near the end of TBC, with pretty good gear, I saw groups get sucked into Shadow Labs for hours at a time. :) |
| 03:45.13 | Codayus | It was fun, in a way, but the rewards were pathetically terrible compared to the time required and difficulty. |
| 03:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 03:45.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
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| 04:09.59 | Amarande | well confidence pays off! |
| 04:10.02 | Amarande | I joined a VOA PUG |
| 04:10.09 | Amarande | and now I have the grand black war mammoth AND 245 GLOVES |
| 04:11.16 | ZorbaBeta | oh man, you got the war mammoth? I hate you forever |
| 04:12.37 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 04:21.22 | Amarande | ... and now we're wiping on emalon |
| 04:21.27 | Amarande | because people keep forgetting to kill the add lolz |
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| 04:22.55 | NightHawkTheSane | WEEEE |
| 04:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | power here just went out. fuck yeah |
| 04:23.17 | kd3 | waits 30 seconds for the UPS to give out |
| 04:23.35 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i'm on a laptop |
| 04:23.49 | kd3 | stealing someone else's wireless? |
| 04:24.06 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, tethering my g1 |
| 04:24.16 | kd3 | ah |
| 04:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | so its a matter of what will die first, my phone or my laptop. ;) |
| 04:24.53 | NightHawkTheSane | actually |
| 04:24.59 | NightHawkTheSane | plugs the phone into the laptop |
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| 04:31.48 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane :) |
| 04:32.28 | Shirik | and kd3, my UPS is 8 hours |
| 04:32.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Apparently the entire bllock/hill has lost power. And it went out a couple times this weekend. fun. >< |
| 04:35.46 | Amarande | emalon down, only two wipes. :) |
| 04:36.04 | kd3 | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2144/1656662934_59cc43a9c4_o.jpg |
| 04:36.10 | kd3 | ponders making one of those signs |
| 04:36.36 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, nice |
| 04:39.15 | kd3 | yay. the last ep of bakemonogatari is done. time to fire up mythtv |
| 04:40.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. there needs to be more all-night cafe's with free wi-fi around here. |
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| 04:43.44 | Amarande | yay, archavon down one try |
| 04:43.51 | Amarande | and I got three nice pieces of loot out of this total |
| 04:43.53 | Amarande | I feel greedy |
| 04:44.10 | Amarande | granted, I have no good reason to since I was the only lock in raid, so the warlock items HAD to both go to me |
| 04:44.14 | Amarande | but ... I still feel greedy :S |
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| 05:02.23 | Amarande | JFC the loading lag in Dalaran is horrendous tonight. |
| 05:02.38 | Amarande | I wonder what Cata's specs are going to be ... 8GB and a SSD maybe to avoid scream-inducing lag? :) |
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| 05:06.22 | Amarande | Heh, I like this quote: "There's a list of things that can go wrong and not a list of things that can go right. Because going left is overrated." |
| 05:06.35 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect they won't be a huge jump over Wrath |
| 05:06.49 | ZorbaBeta | the time lag between expansions is smaller, and Wrath already jumped texture detail significantly |
| 05:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind the part where the factions will likely have their own cities again |
| 05:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is really the only reason it sucks in the first place... sheer population density |
| 05:08.15 | Wobin | Or lack thereof? |
| 05:08.36 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno, without portals from one city to another, I'm sure as hell going to keep my hearth in Dalaran |
| 05:08.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And pass right though |
| 05:08.45 | Wobin | truth ^ |
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| 05:08.57 | ZorbaBeta | scythe, no, probably idle there |
| 05:09.03 | Wobin | so. Only Tauren and Orc in central Orgrimmar? |
| 05:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that's your problem ;) |
| 05:09.06 | ZorbaBeta | and use the bank, and the eng auction house, and the mailboxes |
| 05:09.10 | ZorbaBeta | and the anvil |
| 05:09.29 | ZorbaBeta | and chat on /2 and /g |
| 05:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case I idle on the Krasus landing, way in the air |
| 05:09.32 | ZorbaBeta | and a ton of other people will also, which is the very reason why dal is already crowded. which makes it everyone's problem. :) |
| 05:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I guess we'll see what it brings! |
| 05:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But I will say that I bet Dalaran will be as empty as Shatt |
| 05:12.07 | Wobin | eh |
| 05:12.12 | Wobin | Garrosh as leader of the horde |
| 05:12.18 | Wobin | I vote no confidence |
| 05:12.39 | Wobin | also, my proposal for "Better Leader Than Garrosh" |
| 05:12.43 | Wobin | Basic Campfire! |
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| 05:15.13 | ZorbaBeta | pfft, you're throwing your vote away. I'm voting for Ragged Leather Pants |
| 05:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | more coffee shops need to be open late at night. :( |
| 05:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | closing at 9pm is laaaaaame |
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| 05:29.20 | Thunder_Child | make coffee at home then NightHawkTheSane |
| 05:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: surprisingly difficult without power |
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| 05:37.37 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, is it daylight? |
| 05:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | .... |
| 05:38.52 | Thunder_Child | what? |
| 05:39.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember where you live |
| 05:39.07 | NightHawkTheSane | I would normally think that "need to be open late" would indicate that it is sometime later in the evening |
| 05:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | but no, it's about 10:30 pm here |
| 05:39.27 | NightHawkTheSane | 10 |
| 05:39.31 | NightHawkTheSane | 10:40, my bad |
| 05:39.41 | Thunder_Child | oh...your in my timezone |
| 05:39.46 | NightHawkTheSane | aye. |
| 05:40.10 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, no gas stove? |
| 05:40.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Nope, all electric. |
| 05:40.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I live in an apartment building, so. |
| 05:40.36 | Thunder_Child | and that kills the water heater option |
| 05:40.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd kill a man for a gas stove. :( |
| 05:40.57 | Thunder_Child | camp stove? |
| 05:41.06 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 05:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont even own any candles |
| 05:42.12 | Arrowmaster | you would be surprised what all you can cook on a gas stove attached to a grill when youve got no power |
| 05:42.25 | Arrowmaster | i used it to warm up my pizza one day |
| 05:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: having done my share of camping/backpacking, i wouldn't be -that- surprised. But I am re-thinking not owning some kind of portable stove. |
| 05:46.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Fortunately, it's still quite warm and not like the middle of january |
| 05:46.43 | Arrowmaster | it was about this time last yeah that we didnt have power for like 5 days |
| 05:46.58 | Arrowmaster | s/yeah/year/ |
| 05:48.15 | Amarande | wtf |
| 05:48.19 | Amarande | I did my direbrew runs for the evening |
| 05:48.26 | Amarande | and -all five times- the pickled egg dropped :P |
| 05:48.45 | Amarande | that's ... freaky |
| 05:49.05 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, do you have sodium bicarbonte and hydrocloric acid? |
| 05:50.30 | Thunder_Child | or calcium oxide? |
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| 05:53.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: ... now, why would I have any of that? :P |
| 05:53.58 | Thunder_Child | some are common household itmes |
| 05:54.01 | Thunder_Child | items* |
| 05:58.21 | NightHawkTheSane | power! |
| 05:58.29 | Thunder_Child | gratz |
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| 06:01.26 | Shirik | Executing Command: svn lock |
| 06:01.26 | Shirik | Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to LOCK request for '/svn/rep/ecocar-idea/source_code/trunk/IDEA.sln' |
| 06:01.35 | Shirik | This has got to be the single most fucked up installation of SVN I have ever seen |
| 06:01.44 | NightHawkTheSane | annnnd.. power out again. wee |
| 06:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck you seattle |
| 06:01.54 | Shirik | you live in seattle? |
| 06:02.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 06:02.06 | Shirik | man |
| 06:02.09 | Shirik | could have met up over the summer |
| 06:02.29 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm almost sure I've mentioned it once or twice |
| 06:02.31 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 06:02.37 | Shirik | and could have brought along Cairenn |
| 06:02.42 | Shirik | and we would have had fun times |
| 06:03.03 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, that would have been cool. |
| 06:03.24 | Thunder_Child | i see how it is, Shirik rates a shrug but Cairenn rates a "thats cool" |
| 06:03.30 | Shirik | ^ |
| 06:03.36 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 06:03.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ... thats not actually how i meant it :P |
| 06:03.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but that doesn't really make it untrue. :D |
| 06:04.01 | Thunder_Child | ouch |
| 06:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | kids. |
| 06:04.31 | Shirik | sets Shiibot to 'kill' |
| 06:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | When the machines rise up to take over, they are so going to be led by Shiibot, aren't they. |
| 06:07.18 | Thunder_Child | to much spam in an overthrow. they would all be banned. |
| 06:08.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:08.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 06:09.19 | Shirik | WTB NON-MORONIC IT, PST |
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| 06:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.46 | Shirik | Would you install Subversion 1.1 over summer of 2009? |
| 06:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ....... 1.1? |
| 06:10.15 | Shirik | Would you throttle HTTP access to any webpages which do not have a "www" in their name? |
| 06:10.27 | Cairenn | wtf? |
| 06:10.37 | Shirik | These are the qualities that my school's IT are looking for in employees, it seems |
| 06:10.41 | Cairenn | why in god's name would they do that? |
| 06:10.47 | Shirik | because they can |
| 06:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think even he knows |
| 06:11.09 | Shirik | I told you I kicked them out of a lab, right Cairenn? |
| 06:11.11 | Thunder_Child | i am so very disturbed by this http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/09/open-casting-call-for-the-tester/ |
| 06:11.23 | Cairenn | they can also jump off a cliff, but that doesn't mean it's sensible |
| 06:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 throttling http access to websites that don't use "www.*" |
| 06:11.25 | NightHawkTheSane | BOGGLES |
| 06:11.26 | Cairenn | Shirik: yeah |
| 06:11.38 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, that one really has me, too |
| 06:11.40 | Shirik | I still can't get over how they installed SVN 1.1 |
| 06:11.48 | Shirik | It has been plaguing me all semester |
| 06:11.51 | Shirik | SVN CAN'T EVEN LOCK FILES |
| 06:12.03 | Shirik | not to mention how horrible merges were in 1.1 |
| 06:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i saw that, i am also a little frightened |
| 06:12.21 | Shirik | And I also can't svnsync |
| 06:12.25 | Shirik | because that was in 1.4 |
| 06:12.26 | NightHawkTheSane | when was 1.1 released? like 5 years ago? |
| 06:12.30 | Shirik | that's about right |
| 06:12.42 | Shirik | I wonder if there's a security vulnerability in it |
| 06:12.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeesh, even debian's moved on. :P |
| 06:12.49 | Shirik | maybe I can exploit it to upgrade them to 1.5 |
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| 06:12.54 | NightHawkTheSane | (zing) |
| 06:13.08 | Shirik | is it wrong to break into a server to upgrade it? |
| 06:13.12 | Cairenn | o.O "The Tester" ... you've got to be kidding me! Is there /anything/ that people won't turn into a "reality" TV show? lordy |
| 06:13.34 | Thunder_Child | no there does not seem to be |
| 06:13.40 | Thunder_Child | and it make sme sad |
| 06:13.44 | Thunder_Child | makes me* |
| 06:14.03 | Shirik | here's the fun question ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:14.12 | Shirik | they refuse to upgrade it for me because it's the middle of a semester |
| 06:14.28 | Shirik | the school refuses to let me host the SVN because it needs to be secure for NDAs and I guess they don't trust me |
| 06:14.31 | Shirik | So |
| 06:14.47 | Shirik | What happens when I tell them of a known vulnerability in their current version? |
| 06:14.53 | Shirik | Do they upgrade it? Do they leave it alone? Do they throw me in a prison cell? |
| 06:15.04 | Thunder_Child | b |
| 06:15.05 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, they kick you out of the school for hacking, since obviously it's impossible to know of a vulnerability if you're not a hacker |
| 06:15.12 | Amarande | Shirik: THEY'RE GONNA SEND YOU HOME TO MOTHER IN A CARDBOARD BOX! |
| 06:15.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:15.15 | Amarande | You better run ... |
| 06:15.46 | Amarande | also, goddamnit, I'm starting to get this feeling I need to spend a few hundred dollars this fall I wanted to save instead :| |
| 06:16.15 | Amarande | I'm starting to get this feeling that 2GB of RAM is no longer adequate. And if I'm going to go to the trouble of reinstalling an OS because I can't effectively go to 4GB without a 64-bit OS, I'll end up feeling the need to get W7. |
| 06:16.38 | Amarande | You know ... my first x86-based PC had like ... 4 megs of RAM. :) |
| 06:16.48 | ZorbaBeta | I've got 8gb. It's pretty sweet. :) |
| 06:16.53 | Shirik | Mine had a whopping 512MB hard drive |
| 06:16.59 | Shirik | and that was the absolute limit of the OS |
| 06:17.03 | Shirik | we were proud |
| 06:17.29 | Shirik | well, more of the file system, not the OS |
| 06:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I have 7gb in my mac pro, and my friend is supposed to give me like 4gb more that he mis-ordered, but keeps forgetting |
| 06:18.48 | Shirik | And then my grandfather was all like "Yeah well I've got a GIGABYTE hard drive" |
| 06:18.51 | Shirik | and I was like "wtf is that" |
| 06:19.00 | Shirik | then I was like "there is no way you'll ever use that" |
| 06:19.10 | Shirik | and now I downloaded 3 GB yesterday -_- |
| 06:19.25 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I remember when I got my first cd burner |
| 06:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought that was just awesome. I'd never need hard drive spaces, because cds were cheap |
| 06:20.16 | Shirik | CD burner was my first real test |
| 06:20.21 | Shirik | we bought an external one, but had USB 1.1 |
| 06:20.30 | Shirik | so I convinced my dad to let me try installing a USB 2.0 card |
| 06:20.39 | Shirik | and I didn't blow up the computer |
| 06:20.49 | NightHawkTheSane | hehh. mine was scsi |
| 06:20.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont even know if usb was around then. |
| 06:21.13 | Shirik | I still need to get a tape drive |
| 06:22.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Hm, according to wikipedia, usb was created in 1996, so yeah, it had just been created shortly before. |
| 06:22.52 | Amarande | "Totally Trimphant?" |
| 06:22.59 | Amarande | oy, I hope Blizzard can come up with better names for T10 :| |
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| 06:23.23 | NightHawkTheSane | buh, the worst thing about this power outage is that i cant even read, because i dont have any good light |
| 06:23.33 | Amarande | that sounds like the kind of name you come up with in the last two minutes of a meeting after spending the entire meeting forgetting to deal with the topic :) |
| 06:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | note to self, buy a goddamn decent flashlight & lantern |
| 06:23.54 | Amarande | Night: Maglite FTW, and you can get them at Radio Shack. :) |
| 06:24.11 | Amarande | Plus, if someone tries to rob you in the dark, they won't be doing much after you clock them in the head with one. :D |
| 06:24.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I was thinking an LED flashlight |
| 06:24.32 | Amarande | Zorba: I'm pretty sure this mobo only goes up to 4GB. |
| 06:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | plus, i avoid ripoff shack like the plague |
| 06:24.50 | Amarande | And I'm hoping if I do that upgrade that it CAN use all four memory slots. |
| 06:25.08 | Amarande | I never did determine whether it was the actual old RAM that was broken a year ago, or whether one of the pair of slots that I'm not currently using is dodgy. |
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| 06:25.36 | Amarande | Back when I had RAM issues I was using 512 x 4, now I'm using 1GB x 2 |
| 06:27.42 | Amarande | aright. heard enough from folks here and in my last Coren group to know that now I should spec destro. |
| 06:29.48 | Amarande | lulz, someone on EJ suggested basically a 0/13/60 spec :) |
| 06:29.49 | Amarande | FAIL |
| 06:31.45 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, maglight does have a line of LED ones. however i would suggest surefire....depending on what you need it for. |
| 06:32.36 | Amarande | I like those LED flashlights ... but my Maglite is good enough, so I don't replace it |
| 06:32.57 | Amarande | It's not like repacing a maglight with an LED light will make me a better person or get me more chicks or increase my DPS. It's just a flashlight. :D |
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| 06:34.30 | Thunder_Child | maglight is a brand...you can have a maglight LED |
| 06:35.01 | Amarande | "standard maglite" then :) |
| 06:35.21 | Amarande | that's like criticizing someone for saying "I could replace my TOC25 gear with heroic TOC25 gear" and saying "TOC25 is the instance" :) |
| 06:35.31 | Amarande | gah |
| 06:35.36 | Amarande | where's the list of BIS enchants for destro ... |
| 06:36.47 | Thunder_Child | no, thats like saying "I could replace my heroic TOC25 gear with Heroic gear" |
| 06:38.11 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:39.17 | Adys | Shirik: I need some help |
| 06:39.25 | Shirik | well we all know that |
| 06:39.28 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Disenchanting_tables |
| 06:39.42 | Adys | how do I best integrate range table lookups? |
| 06:40.09 | Amarande | oh yes yes YES CHAOS BOLT I WILL LOVE YOU. |
| 06:40.28 | Adys | I can make something like |
| 06:40.36 | Amarande | first thing I think when seeing chaos bolt: "now I have you, you stupid anvilrage officers and your stupid bubble" |
| 06:40.51 | tem | So, the quest to turn in Onyxia's head is awesome |
| 06:40.54 | tem | pure awesome |
| 06:41.19 | Shirik | what do you mean Adys? |
| 06:41.24 | Adys | armor_uncommon = { "5-15": [(STRANGE_DUST, 80, "1-2"), (LESSER_MAGIC_ESSENCE, 20, "1-2")]], ... } |
| 06:41.31 | Shirik | in Lua? |
| 06:41.35 | Adys | but how do I do lookups on it the most efficient way possible? |
| 06:41.38 | Adys | in any language |
| 06:41.42 | Shirik | __index |
| 06:41.49 | Shirik | with a custom function |
| 06:42.06 | Shirik | if v >= 5 and v <= 15 then return <whatever> elseif v >= ... etc. |
| 06:42.09 | Adys | so how does, for example, 168 becomes "165-170" |
| 06:42.29 | Adys | ofc thats an example |
| 06:45.33 | Amarande | Adys, I'm pretty sure the only reasonably non-arcane way to search through multiple ranges like that is multiple ifs, like Shirik said |
| 06:45.53 | Shirik | I think a table with an __index is the best way to do it |
| 06:45.53 | Adys | hmm |
| 06:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | well no |
| 06:46.01 | Shirik | however |
| 06:46.02 | Amarande | also, speaking of DE: am I just thinking it or do Large Glowing Shards suck horribly? |
| 06:46.02 | Shirik | Adys |
| 06:46.05 | ScytheBlade1 | an interger indexed table would work fine |
| 06:46.06 | Shirik | if you just need an index |
| 06:46.16 | Amarande | I had some of those at one point and I think they took literally weeks to sell on AH |
| 06:46.18 | Shirik | just use some division fu |
| 06:46.31 | Adys | basically |
| 06:46.38 | Adys | I have an item at "165-170" |
| 06:46.39 | Amarande | though in the defense of potential buyers, I can't remember what LGS are good for |
| 06:46.45 | Adys | and I want table[168] to return that item |
| 06:46.52 | Adys | what kind of division fu? |
| 06:47.18 | Adys | also er mind you |
| 06:47.23 | Adys | ranges arent static |
| 06:47.27 | Adys | there are some 100-120 |
| 06:47.38 | Shirik | Adys, it's easy |
| 06:47.42 | Shirik | just use __index |
| 06:47.43 | Shirik | like I said |
| 06:47.48 | Adys | yah I am |
| 06:47.51 | Adys | but |
| 06:47.54 | Adys | most efficient algorithm? |
| 06:48.18 | Shirik | well if this were C/C++, a jump table would be best |
| 06:48.21 | Shirik | unfortunately, that does not exist |
| 06:48.27 | Shirik | so just use an if block |
| 06:49.09 | Adys | ok |
| 06:50.16 | NightHawkTheSane | well, power's back (for now..) but its like midnight so i'm going to head to sleep. night folks |
| 06:50.24 | Adys | night night |
| 06:50.31 | Cairenn | night NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:51.27 | Adys | Shirik: hm |
| 06:51.32 | Adys | on a small scale |
| 06:51.41 | Adys | would it be easier to do something like |
| 06:51.54 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "i guess you checked out in more ways than one" - Thunder_Child |
| 06:51.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:52.05 | Amarande | is Brilliant Spellthread still BIS for destro? |
| 06:52.06 | Adys | custom set, eg I set ["165-170"] and it sets [165], [166] etc |
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| 06:53.16 | Adys | OR |
| 06:53.19 | Adys | I LOVE PYTHON |
| 06:54.22 | Adys | AHAHAH YES. |
| 06:58.21 | Shirik | fuck python |
| 06:59.41 | Shirik | you know what's fun? FPGAs |
| 06:59.49 | Shirik | you know how an FPGA compiler would implement that? |
| 07:00.18 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:00.21 | Shirik | make 300 copies to jump to |
| 07:00.33 | Amarande | lord. |
| 07:00.35 | Shirik | it would be quite fast though |
| 07:00.42 | Amarande | earlier tonight: I get the Grand Black War Mammoth through great luck in VoA |
| 07:00.47 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:00.52 | Amarande | now: I died, -precisely- because I have it. |
| 07:00.53 | Shirik | reksif |
| 07:00.59 | Adys | Shirik: http://paste2.org/p/441332 |
| 07:01.00 | Amarande | quiz: How did I manage to do this? :) |
| 07:01.05 | Adys | this isn't completely scalable |
| 07:01.09 | Adys | but moreso than if blocks |
| 07:01.10 | Fisker | don't you reksif me Shirik |
| 07:01.15 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Adys!n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (Python is not authorized here) |
| 07:01.16 | Amarande | (no, it's not a very complicated or obscure thing, and in fact is pretty simple.) |
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| 07:01.20 | Adys | fu |
| 07:01.27 | Adys | tell me im awesome |
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| 07:01.32 | Amarande | (The fact that I'm Horde should be a big hint.) |
| 07:01.33 | Shirik | what was wrong with Lua's version of that |
| 07:01.40 | Adys | its in lua |
| 07:01.43 | Adys | thats whats wrong |
| 07:01.48 | Adys | also I need it in python |
| 07:01.52 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 07:01.54 | Shirik | ban Adys |
| 07:02.03 | Cairenn | bans Adys |
| 07:02.13 | Shirik | cheers |
| 07:03.03 | Arrowmaster | why is python one of the only languages i can look at code for and have absolutely no fucking idea what the hell it does |
| 07:03.06 | Fisker | bans Shirik |
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| 07:03.13 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: you need to start coding in Brainfuck |
| 07:03.20 | Amarande | obviously that's the only solution |
| 07:03.25 | Adys | Arrowmaster: thats like lua's metaclasses bs |
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| 07:03.45 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: You can read perl? |
| 07:03.52 | Arrowmaster | actually yes |
| 07:03.54 | Cairenn | waits for the bribe to unban Adys |
| 07:04.08 | Shirik | Cairenn takes bribes? |
| 07:04.08 | Thunder_Child | even i can read perl |
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| 07:04.26 | Shirik | I may have to investigate what else I can get from Cairenn |
| 07:04.33 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 07:04.55 | Thunder_Child | pants is not one of them, however you can bribe with them |
| 07:05.06 | Cairenn | :( |
| 07:05.13 | Cairenn | wrong channel |
| 07:05.22 | Thunder_Child | glares @ Cairenn |
| 07:05.52 | Cairenn | runs around the room and steals everyone's pants. Pants aren't bribes, they're just mine. |
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| 07:06.32 | Thunder_Child | cant steal mine...i'm not wearing any |
| 07:06.36 | Amarande | Cairenn! |
| 07:06.41 | Amarande | I just got those pants in VoA tonight! Give them back! |
| 07:06.48 | Cairenn | Amarande! |
| 07:06.49 | Cairenn | No |
| 07:07.13 | Amarande | T7 pants, T9 gloves, and a grand black war mammoth |
| 07:07.16 | Amarande | the latter of which got me killed :P |
| 07:07.39 | Amarande | protip: don't try to leave Undercity on a mammoth :| |
| 07:07.40 | Adys | >>> from disenchanting import armor_uncommon |
| 07:07.40 | Adys | >>> armor_uncommon[12] |
| 07:07.40 | Adys | ((10940, 80, 1, 2), (10938, 20, 1, 2)) |
| 07:07.43 | Adys | <3<3<3<33 |
| 07:07.57 | Amarande | that ended pretty badly |
| 07:08.06 | Amarande | step one: get up to the top of the elevator |
| 07:08.12 | Amarande | step two: realize you don't fit through the door at the top on mammoth |
| 07:08.21 | Amarande | step three: dismount, managing to do so just as the elevator begins to descend |
| 07:08.23 | Amarande | step four: *splat* |
| 07:08.27 | industrial | haha |
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| 07:11.28 | ZorbaBeta | I made a Horde DK so I could gather a little info I needed for Questhelper |
| 07:11.50 | ZorbaBeta | I managed to die twice inside the undead elevator, and it took about four cycles before I actually, y'know, managed to get up it |
| 07:11.59 | ZorbaBeta | I kept doing brilliant things like "oh hey I wonder what happens if I jump!" |
| 07:12.08 | ZorbaBeta | I found out. Repeatedly. :( |
| 07:12.56 | Arrowmaster | those elevators are the reason i had to stop using my zg raptor |
| 07:13.02 | Arrowmaster | back in classic |
| 07:19.37 | Amarande | firefox suuuucks ... |
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| 07:42.11 | tem | Amarande, no u |
| 07:42.40 | Shirik | agree with Fx sucks |
| 07:50.17 | ZorbaBeta | firefox sucks, and it is unfortunate that it is still the best option |
| 07:52.08 | Shirik | disagree with best |
| 07:52.12 | Shirik | agree with competitive |
| 08:00.11 | tem | Right now my favorite browser is Chrome |
| 08:00.23 | tem | the lack of adblock is _killing_ me, though |
| 08:01.29 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's why I consider firefox the best. ad blocking, and more generally, modability |
| 08:05.33 | Adys | ~ping |
| 08:05.34 | purl | ~pong |
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| 08:27.25 | tem | ~pong |
| 08:27.26 | purl | ~ping |
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| 08:37.52 | Arrowmaster | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/6213590/Gay-men-can-be-identified-by-their-Facebook-friends.html |
| 08:38.28 | Arrowmaster | dont students have better things to do than prove facebook destroys privacy? |
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| 08:48.27 | tem | Arrowmaster, but Gaydar is something we've all been trying to develop |
| 08:48.41 | tem | how can they not take the opportunity? |
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| 08:57.11 | Amarande | Gaydar Requires Engineering (526) Requires Gnomish Engineering ... |
| 08:57.41 | Amarande | (it would be gnomish, right? goblins only like gadgets that involve fire :D) |
| 08:58.49 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/25105/arachnid-dagger/ |
| 08:58.53 | Adys | disenchants \o/ |
| 08:59.29 | Amarande | hrm |
| 08:59.34 | Amarande | I'm already having a love-hate relationship with destro. |
| 08:59.44 | Amarande | It seems distinctly more powerful than aff ever was, but I keep feeling that squishing feeling |
| 09:05.23 | Amarande | am I supposed to be this weak and co-dependent as destro? :S |
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| 09:06.34 | olafski | hmm one of the blues on mmo-c says destro is one of the least used builds in raids apparently |
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| 09:10.52 | Amarande | odd ... from what I'm told destro is currently the most effective raiding lock spec |
| 09:11.09 | olafski | maybe I remembered wrong, let's see |
| 09:11.11 | tem | olafski, shenanigans. I don't know a single warlock who doesn't raid as destro |
| 09:11.27 | Amarande | you're probably thinking demo. |
| 09:11.34 | Amarande | anyway, I don't doubt its usefulness in instances |
| 09:11.39 | Amarande | I just wish I wasn't so squishy in it :| |
| 09:11.49 | olafski | oh demo yeah |
| 09:11.54 | olafski | sorry! :) |
| 09:12.00 | Amarande | I went to help a friend through a BC instance, as I used to do at times |
| 09:12.20 | Amarande | and I -barely- made it through Durnholde, and we only got to like 2/18 in BM |
| 09:12.33 | Amarande | with an imp I have no tanking at all ... and VW is useless between the CD on soulshatter and that I outaggro it in about five seconds |
| 09:15.11 | Grum | after YS no sane lock specs affliction |
| 09:15.29 | Amarande | YS? |
| 09:15.33 | Grum | Yogg Saron |
| 09:15.44 | Gnarfoz | right, boosting people through instances as a warlock, xD |
| 09:15.47 | Amarande | that's because after YS, no lock is truly sane anymore. :D |
| 09:15.59 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: as demo and aff, I was able to do it pretty easily |
| 09:16.03 | Grum | souldrain is mighty OP on YS |
| 09:16.32 | Amarande | souldrain is just plain OP on mobs with less than 25% HP |
| 09:16.33 | Grum | Amarande: and you also do way less dps, its a simple tradeoff, dps or 'tools to play' |
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| 09:31.13 | Wobin | http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittrain_the_web_is_a_random_act_of_kindness.html |
| 09:31.16 | Wobin | interesting |
| 09:31.46 | Wobin | except I'd've more proposed that the reason why people are so dilligent in maintaining things like wikipedia is for the one simple fact |
| 09:31.56 | Corrodias | OCD |
| 09:31.58 | Wobin | "Someone. Is. Wrong. On. The. Internet." |
| 09:32.47 | Kalroth | Wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY |
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| 09:49.55 | Wobin | <3 scrubs |
| 09:51.52 | industrial | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/minigolf.jpg |
| 09:51.55 | industrial | awwww thats just too cute |
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| 09:57.23 | Corrodias | hahah |
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| 11:52.45 | Aelobin | msoul / Wobin: either of you there? |
| 11:57.59 | Wobin | ? |
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| 12:32.44 | Aelobin | ah Wobin you are there xD erm, yoru dk tank |
| 12:32.44 | Aelobin | i can't decide how important expertise cap is - any idea if it's for threat or less parry-swing resets |
| 12:34.04 | mikma | i've had problems getting defcap, and you are worried about expertise :D |
| 12:34.51 | olafski | strange example with the hitchhiking, wobin :( |
| 12:35.05 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
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| 12:37.03 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | mornin', Fisker |
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| 12:55.23 | merxbj | Hey, is there anyone who know anything about SecureStateDriverTemplate? It seems that it is depracted and I couldn't find any further information about that ... |
| 12:55.42 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 12:55.43 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 12:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | Any answers on that site? |
| 12:56.10 | merxbj | Let me try ... google didnt find anything around this page ... I will look directly ... |
| 12:56.26 | Lopeppeppy | google-fu is sometimes weak, try the site itself for a while. |
| 12:57.12 | merxbj | Actually I found this page before, however it seems that this only refers to book that I can buy ... |
| 12:57.46 | Lopeppeppy | No, there's an online API reference as well. |
| 12:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps your browser is blocking the navigation tabs. |
| 12:58.15 | Lopeppeppy | "reference" tab may be of interest |
| 12:58.49 | merxbj | Yes, now I see ... i will dig deeper into there ... thank you for your guidance! :) |
| 12:59.51 | merxbj | Anyway -have you ever used flexbar? |
| 13:00.10 | Lopeppeppy | About 3 years ago, yes. |
| 13:01.14 | merxbj | It seems it has died already :( So I'm trying to bring it up - i think that you don't know any contact to its author ... |
| 13:02.06 | Lopeppeppy | Look for it on addon distribution sites, see who the author is, and use the site to PM them. |
| 13:02.08 | merxbj | Which is 'Cncfanatics' |
| 13:02.58 | merxbj | Ok, i just hoped that there could be anyone who may knows him/them directly :) |
| 13:03.04 | merxbj | Thanks, anyway ... |
| 13:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen cncfanatics |
| 13:03.08 | purl | cncfanatics <n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 19d 23h 3m 34s ago, saying: 'so am I :D'. |
| 13:03.25 | Lopeppeppy | He comes here occasionally, but not recently. |
| 13:03.30 | nudave | anyone have a suggestion for email clients, other than thunderbird? |
| 13:03.58 | merxbj | Ok, thanks ... i will try to catch him here ... |
| 13:05.25 | Pneumatus | Outlook :> |
| 13:05.35 | nudave | ooooph. |
| 13:07.14 | Lopeppeppy | Wow... they're trying a fix for Vanis in 3.3, only about... 2 years after it stopped working! |
| 13:07.33 | ZorbaBeta | Vanis? |
| 13:07.42 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 13:07.54 | Pneumatus | i doubt it will be fixed, it will probably just end up bugged in rogue's favor |
| 13:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | I've been apologizing for a week that I can't type with this tumb, I'm not apologizing anymore. |
| 13:08.04 | Fisker | it never stopped working |
| 13:08.09 | Fisker | lag = lag |
| 13:08.19 | Lopeppeppy | No, they admitted at least a year ago that it wasn't wai. |
| 13:08.38 | Fisker | Yeah and i'm sad they had to call it out like that |
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| 13:17.12 | Wobin | Aelobin, expertise as opposed to what stat? |
| 13:17.26 | Aelobin | stam |
| 13:17.30 | Aelobin | when my threat is doing fine |
| 13:18.10 | mikma | stam. |
| 13:18.23 | mikma | always go with the stam when you got def min |
| 13:19.04 | ZorbaBeta | every once in a while I'm a little bit sad that tank gearing is so simple and one-dimensional, and then I realize that virtually every other spec is even more one-dimensional |
| 13:19.31 | Aelobin | i had ful stam gems, then thought "i could reach my expertise soft cap" and regemmed |
| 13:19.36 | Aelobin | and now i think ill regem back again <_> |
| 13:19.38 | ZorbaBeta | with the possible exception of healers |
| 13:19.48 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, I did that, and then I started getting oneshot in HTOTC25 |
| 13:19.51 | ZorbaBeta | back to stam for me |
| 13:20.02 | mikma | ^--- |
| 13:20.09 | Pneumatus | healers are just as bad, except we generally can gem any color socket with a decent stat |
| 13:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | decent, but not always "good" or "best" |
| 13:20.31 | ZorbaBeta | pneumatus, at least you *used* to have mp5 to worry about also, though |
| 13:20.39 | Pneumatus | i never did |
| 13:20.40 | Aelobin | ZorbaBeta: did you take 18 stam > 2% threat + 10 parry ? |
| 13:20.41 | ZorbaBeta | even though from what I've heard it is essentially a nonfactor with t8 or above |
| 13:20.43 | Aelobin | on gloves i mean |
| 13:20.54 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, I'm an Engineer so I actually took the engineer armor glove enchant |
| 13:21.01 | Aelobin | hmmm |
| 13:21.08 | Aelobin | a lot of spell damage flying around these days tho :p |
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| 13:21.19 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, but 885 armor |
| 13:21.22 | ZorbaBeta | that is a pile of armor |
| 13:21.38 | Aelobin | how much % is it for you? |
| 13:22.26 | ZorbaBeta | I go roughly from 63.65% to 64.39% |
| 13:22.28 | ZorbaBeta | just from that enchant |
| 13:22.32 | Aelobin | nice |
| 13:22.40 | Aelobin | basically a whole 1% |
| 13:22.59 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's actually more like 2% if you consider it in terms of all incoming damage |
| 13:23.14 | ZorbaBeta | maybe 1.5% |
| 13:23.26 | ZorbaBeta | but yeah it's a pretty gigantic amount for a single slot enchant. |
| 13:23.27 | Aelobin | hmm how come |
| 13:23.39 | ZorbaBeta | oh let me just do the math here and stop estimating |
| 13:24.12 | Aelobin | ^_^ |
| 13:24.41 | ZorbaBeta | before I take 36.35 damage, after I take 35.61 damage. 35.61/36.35 = 97.96%, so it reduces all incoming physical damage by approximately 2% |
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| 13:25.22 | Aelobin | im confused :P |
| 13:25.39 | ZorbaBeta | stuff like armor is designed to work multiplicatively |
| 13:25.39 | Aelobin | if i was about to take 100 damage with 1% reduction, then i take 99 damage which is 99% of the damage :P |
| 13:25.45 | Aelobin | hmm ok |
| 13:26.13 | ZorbaBeta | (pulling number out of hat) if we say that 1000 armor is 10% damage reduction, then the next 1000 armor doesn't put you at "20% damage reduction" |
| 13:26.32 | ZorbaBeta | it puts you at 1 - 0.9*0.9, or 19% damage reduction |
| 13:26.51 | Aelobin | ah right yeh |
| 13:27.01 | ZorbaBeta | however, that also means that every 1000 armor reduces the amount of incoming damage, multiplicatively, by 10%. No matter how much armor you start with, if you're taking 10000 DPS and you get another 1000 armor, now you're taking 9000 DPS. |
| 13:27.47 | ZorbaBeta | (at least until you hit the hard armor cap) |
| 13:28.32 | Aelobin | theres an armor cap? :P |
| 13:28.35 | Grum | 75k |
| 13:28.53 | ZorbaBeta | it's high enough that you can pretty much ignore it ;) |
| 13:29.08 | Grum | not really, druids in tbc capped quite easily |
| 13:29.22 | Grum | (because of +armor items) |
| 13:29.26 | ZorbaBeta | alright, it's high enough that death knights and warriors can pretty much ignore it :P |
| 13:29.34 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, +armor items don't work the same way they used to |
| 13:29.45 | Wobin | Grum, Can they do so in wotlk? |
| 13:29.57 | Grum | yeah, their druid-forms don't multiply the 'enchanted +armor' |
| 13:30.13 | Grum | +anymore; and i don't think so Wobin |
| 13:30.13 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, at the very least it's significantly harder now |
| 13:30.16 | Grum | maybe in full pvp gear? |
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| 13:30.40 | ZorbaBeta | maybe in full t9.7.317 or whatever wacky gear categories we'll have in Icecrown |
| 13:30.54 | Grum | hehe |
| 13:30.56 | ZorbaBeta | (news flash: icecrown will actually have ninety-four subtly different difficulty levels, all with different raid lockouts) |
| 13:31.13 | Grum | i love how people still call stuff t9.25/9.5/9.75 >< |
| 13:31.42 | ZorbaBeta | a lot of people I know just refer to it by item level |
| 13:31.56 | nevcairiel | t8.10 and t8.25 was at least still reasonable |
| 13:31.58 | nevcairiel | now its just confusing |
| 13:32.01 | Grum | yeah |
| 13:32.08 | Grum | but people even called that .25 and .5 |
| 13:32.12 | Grum | so that confused as well >< |
| 13:32.14 | Stanzilla | I said t8 and t8.5 and now the item lvls |
| 13:32.21 | ZorbaBeta | I've also heard t9.10 t9.25 t9.25h |
| 13:32.31 | Grum | and 10h? :) |
| 13:32.32 | ZorbaBeta | and it's just sort of accepted that t9.25 drops from 10-man hard |
| 13:32.41 | ZorbaBeta | 'cause, y'know, it basically does. |
| 13:32.41 | Grum | its easier to just do .232/.245/.258 |
| 13:33.07 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, agreed |
| 13:33.10 | ZorbaBeta | I want some 245 :( |
| 13:33.19 | Grum | i need some items without haste/hit |
| 13:33.34 | ZorbaBeta | I need to raid for a bit :P |
| 13:33.44 | ZorbaBeta | I've just had no time. |
| 13:33.58 | Grum | time? |
| 13:34.04 | Grum | clearing 10m toc takes 20 minutes O.o |
| 13:34.12 | ZorbaBeta | not on my server |
| 13:34.13 | Grum | faster than the longest heroic |
| 13:34.24 | ZorbaBeta | on my server, it takes as long as it does for my guild to put together a 10-man |
| 13:34.36 | ZorbaBeta | 'cause there's maybe two or three guilds on my entire server that can do it. |
| 13:34.48 | Grum | lol what server are you on? |
| 13:34.51 | ZorbaBeta | (alright, on my faction, there's half a dozen on the server) |
| 13:34.54 | nevcairiel | I should run toc 10m some day, but i really cba to pug and my guild kinda died :P |
| 13:34.56 | ZorbaBeta | Shattered Halls |
| 13:35.02 | ZorbaBeta | last time I checked wowheroes we were literally in last place. |
| 13:35.09 | ZorbaBeta | and my faction is the less-progressed side of it :P |
| 13:35.37 | Grum | us or eu? :D |
| 13:35.42 | ZorbaBeta | US |
| 13:35.57 | Grum | US clearly haha |
| 13:36.15 | Grum | 3 guilds killed YS on 25m! |
| 13:36.16 | ZorbaBeta | it is a terrible backwater server |
| 13:36.31 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, we got our first faction kill last month |
| 13:37.21 | ZorbaBeta | we needed partial TOTC gear to do it :( |
| 13:37.36 | ZorbaBeta | months of people saying "oh I don't know if we're geared enough, I don't have best-in-slot easy mode loot in all my slots yet" |
| 13:37.46 | ZorbaBeta | "hard mode? oh god, we can't even attempt that, we have to get yogg on farm first" |
| 13:38.10 | Grum | :) |
| 13:39.41 | Grum | i love that attitude |
| 13:39.47 | Fisker | kisses Grum |
| 13:40.03 | Grum | once upon a time i was in a guild where we went to Karazhan for the first time .... and then after killing Attumen on the second pull |
| 13:40.18 | ZorbaBeta | seriously they wouldn't even let us try FL+1. it was grim. |
| 13:40.21 | Grum | the GM/RaidLeader says; well, this is enough for this week, we'll come back next week! ... |
| 13:40.33 | ZorbaBeta | argh. |
| 13:40.38 | Grum | and everyone was like .... dude ... cant we at least try and *see* moroes? :D |
| 13:40.46 | ZorbaBeta | even I managed to get through Maiden the first time I went to Kara |
| 13:40.54 | ZorbaBeta | and got a belt that I used right up to lv80 in Wrath :P |
| 13:40.58 | Fisker | locks Grum in a cellar |
| 13:41.06 | Stanzilla | aran wiping :( |
| 13:41.12 | Stanzilla | teh memories |
| 13:41.13 | Grum | yes aran was had haha |
| 13:41.14 | Grum | +r |
| 13:41.24 | Grum | O M G ADDS! ... |
| 13:41.24 | Fisker | you don't have internet or computers in my cellar Grum |
| 13:41.33 | Grum | you captured a clone |
| 13:42.19 | Grum | and everyone in panic at when you got sheeped |
| 13:42.20 | Fisker | actually you are a clone |
| 13:42.26 | Grum | and complaining to people to have more than ~8k hp =) |
| 13:42.44 | Grum | nowai Fisker, my clones have no anus! i have |
| 13:43.10 | nevcairiel | wasnt that usually the belly button? <.< |
| 13:43.30 | Grum | well yes, but now Fisker will set my clone free, he has no use for it |
| 13:43.36 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:43.42 | Stanzilla | the casual rapist does not care |
| 13:44.12 | Grum | he does if it misses his favorite hole |
| 13:44.20 | Aelobin | ZorbaBeta: what kind of lvl is your gear at? |
| 13:44.23 | Stanzilla | belly button is big enough for Fisker |
| 13:44.24 | nevcairiel | he'll just tear you a new one |
| 13:44.32 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 13:44.41 | Grum | nevcairiel: unpossible! Fisker has 2 left hands |
| 13:45.02 | nevcairiel | that must look hilarious |
| 13:45.27 | Fisker | enrages |
| 13:45.41 | Grum | laughs |
| 13:45.43 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, ilvl223 average |
| 13:45.55 | Aelobin | hmm k - what about your trinkets? |
| 13:46.00 | ZorbaBeta | mostly ulduar-25, a smattering of ulduar-10 and a single piece of 232 |
| 13:46.13 | ZorbaBeta | oh yeah and the ridiculously good brewfest trinket |
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| 13:46.17 | ZorbaBeta | 226/200 thanks to brewfest |
| 13:46.24 | Grum | just 1 trinket? |
| 13:46.27 | ZorbaBeta | 226/200 before brewfest also, admittedly. |
| 13:46.28 | Grum | why not get the other one as well? |
| 13:46.34 | ZorbaBeta | grum, Heart of Iron is arguably better |
| 13:46.44 | p3lim | indeed |
| 13:46.47 | ZorbaBeta | it's -8stam and it's got a nice on-use dodge rating boost |
| 13:46.55 | ZorbaBeta | which I never remember to use, I should just macro it to all my abilities |
| 13:46.59 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaBeta around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:47.00 | Grum | dude, you can spawn a brewmaiden while tanking!!! |
| 13:47.07 | p3lim | imo the brewfest trinkets are only good on caster fights |
| 13:47.10 | ZorbaBeta | I admit that's cool, but possibly impractical |
| 13:47.19 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 13:47.23 | ZorbaBeta | p3lim, the new one replaced my ancient Gossamer, so it's definitely an upgrade there |
| 13:47.33 | Pneumatus | or for caster tanks, or for twinvalks soakers :) |
| 13:47.35 | Aelobin | ZorbaBeta: im using brewfest / black heart, but i dno whether to swap black heart for the other brewfest (+44 stam, -procc buff) |
| 13:47.39 | p3lim | yeah same upgrade for me ZorbaBeta |
| 13:47.52 | Aelobin | i like the 7k armor buff i can get, but i dont like that it's not always up |
| 13:47.53 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, at that point I'd honestly say go check your spreadsheet |
| 13:48.08 | ZorbaBeta | I'd have a hard time deciding without hard numbers also. |
| 13:48.13 | ZorbaBeta | though 7k armor is a truly beastly amount of armor. |
| 13:48.43 | Aelobin | 10sec per 45 sec tho |
| 13:49.02 | Aelobin | the thing i dont like is, what if the armor procs and then i dodge/parry most of the incoming attacks |
| 13:49.04 | Aelobin | it's like :/ |
| 13:49.33 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, but what if the armor procs and you get hit every time in a row and end up with 12 hp left |
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| 13:49.41 | Aelobin | xD |
| 13:49.45 | ZorbaBeta | (I have actually seen my HP drop to 9 while tanking a raid boss before) |
| 13:49.56 | Aelobin | me too |
| 13:50.02 | ZorbaBeta | (funny thing is, all the healers saw it too, so the instant we killed the boss vent erupted into "holy shit did you see that") |
| 13:50.12 | Aelobin | but at least with +44 stam (before buffs/talents) i'd know i have it constantly |
| 13:50.41 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, but I mean, that's only 440 health. 7k armor with a, what, 22% uptime? |
| 13:50.55 | ZorbaBeta | that's 1500 armor or so, on average |
| 13:51.33 | Aelobin | 7k armor, is that about 5%? |
| 13:51.34 | ZorbaBeta | that's ~4% damage reduction. That's a lot of damage reduction. In fact, when fully buffed, that brings my EHP from ~40k up to ~41.6k |
| 13:52.03 | ZorbaBeta | (based off the fact that we previously established 800 armor to be ~2%, 1500 armor is logically maybe 3.5% I guess) |
| 13:52.10 | ZorbaBeta | actually I think I just talked myself into the black heart here |
| 13:52.21 | ZorbaBeta | if I had one, I'd be very tempted to choose it over the brewfest trinket |
| 13:53.06 | Lopeppeppy | Why not have both! |
| 13:53.19 | ZorbaBeta | I guess I'd end up deciding based on whether I were likely to be one-shot or two-shot. if I wasn't, I'd take black heart. if I were, I'd take brewfest. |
| 13:53.31 | ZorbaBeta | lope, in my case, the other slot is taken with a Heart of Iron :) |
| 13:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, must have extras to swap in and out! |
| 13:54.13 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not entirely convinced of whether the Black Heart or Brewfest trinket are better, but I'm quite willing to claim the Heart of Iron is better than either of them ;) |
| 13:55.14 | Pneumatus | moh, no tankspot anub 25 heroic vid available yet :< |
| 13:55.33 | ZorbaBeta | I do hope they fix tank HP eventually. stacking stamina gets so old |
| 13:55.35 | industrial | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/toosweet.jpg |
| 13:55.41 | industrial | dies of cute overload |
| 13:55.48 | industrial | mikma Cairenn|afk ^ |
| 13:56.28 | mikma | has a glass of .. |
| 13:56.28 | Aelobin | ZorbaBeta: if anything, they're nerfing avoidance aren't they? |
| 13:56.32 | Aelobin | which would seem to make it more viable |
| 13:56.48 | Aelobin | or not viable, but necessary |
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| 13:57.58 | ZorbaBeta | apparently they've said that what they really want to do is drastically boost tank HP and turn it into more of an HPS/DPS race between the boss and several healers |
| 13:58.13 | ZorbaBeta | not "you must cast heals at exactly the right moment", but "can you keep his health up or will it fall down" |
| 13:58.47 | Pneumatus | == stack paladins or lose |
| 13:59.10 | nevcairiel | I never saw them comment about that |
| 13:59.14 | nevcairiel | thats what people assumed |
| 13:59.48 | Fisker | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/eingekackt.jpg <-nice industrial (kinda nsfw btw) |
| 13:59.48 | ZorbaBeta | pneumatus, the number of changes required for that would be so huge that it would basically be a tankspec rebuild-from-scratch anyway |
| 13:59.52 | nevcairiel | Thats like saying we want all the mechanics of classic back :p |
| 13:59.57 | ZorbaBeta | so I mean who the hell knows what would end up dominant |
| 14:00.07 | Pneumatus | they want to make healing so that its not just a heal spamfest |
| 14:00.46 | nevcairiel | isnt that what the whole game is? just spam your abilities in a certain order? |
| 14:01.24 | ZorbaBeta | nev, not since BC it isn't |
| 14:01.45 | nevcairiel | it is for tanks and dps |
| 14:01.48 | nevcairiel | why not for healers :P |
| 14:01.52 | ZorbaBeta | how many flat-out tank/spank fights are there in the game now? (I mean tank/spank with appropriate gear, obviously some heroic boss gimmicks can just be ignored in t9) |
| 14:02.02 | ZorbaBeta | it isn't for anyone who has to deal with boss gimmicks :P |
| 14:02.50 | Kalroth | You mean fights where noone have to move around? |
| 14:03.13 | nevcairiel | i liked playing a healer because its not so boring as DPS, just running a fixed rotation of things was never for me :p |
| 14:04.04 | ZorbaBeta | kalroth, fights where nobody has to do anything besides their standard rotation |
| 14:04.11 | ZorbaBeta | grab boss, kill boss |
| 14:04.46 | Kalroth | I'd say Ignis, XT-002 (to some extent anyways), Kologarn, Cat Lady and Vezax (for melee only) |
| 14:04.55 | Kalroth | nothing in Coliseum |
| 14:05.35 | ZorbaBeta | Ignis requires tanks to run around like idiots and do all sorts of crazy stuff, and the healers have to be on the ball |
| 14:05.50 | Kalroth | Uhm, that depends on what tactic you use, heh |
| 14:05.56 | ZorbaBeta | XT requires *everyone* to keep track of when they have a debuff on them, and an offtank, and ranged DPS to blow shit up |
| 14:05.59 | nevcairiel | if your tanks are half-smart they don't have to move that much |
| 14:05.59 | Kalroth | We simply offtanked the adds from day one |
| 14:06.19 | Kalroth | on XT you simply move to either side if you get the debuff |
| 14:06.34 | Kalroth | You don't need an offtank on XT either |
| 14:06.37 | ZorbaBeta | Kologarn requires people to switch between multiple targets and dodge eye beams, Cat Lady has void zones unless you outgear her, vezax needs interrupting |
| 14:06.44 | ZorbaBeta | "move to either side" makes it not tank/spank |
| 14:07.01 | ZorbaBeta | seriously, tank/spank is patchwerk |
| 14:07.12 | ZorbaBeta | and, today, not much else |
| 14:07.20 | Kalroth | Cat Lady, don't kill the add and it's tank/spank |
| 14:07.30 | Kalroth | Vezax, only 1-2 people have to interrupt |
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| 14:07.43 | Kalroth | Kologarn, melee never have to move |
| 14:08.04 | ZorbaBeta | they all require a level of complexity above "stand there and do what you always do" |
| 14:08.10 | Kalroth | Thankfully there's zero 100% tank/spank fights right now |
| 14:08.15 | Kalroth | but some come really close |
| 14:08.17 | ZorbaBeta | they may not be complicated, but they're still not 100% tank/spank |
| 14:08.20 | nevcairiel | i consider running out of a voidzone still tank/spank, imho :P |
| 14:08.23 | ZorbaBeta | patchwerk is the closest, arguably 100% |
| 14:08.41 | Mattsson | How long time does it takes before an ui get approval at wowinterface.com? |
| 14:08.59 | nevcairiel | Mattsson, that depends if Cairenn|afk is awake, or not .. but usually not that long :) |
| 14:09.11 | Mattsson | Have been waiting for hours now :( |
| 14:09.21 | Mattsson | Guess he's afk :P |
| 14:09.26 | nevcairiel | the admins are mostly based in the US, give them some time |
| 14:09.30 | nevcairiel | also, caireen is a she :P |
| 14:09.35 | Mattsson | oh |
| 14:09.37 | nevcairiel | -e+n |
| 14:09.44 | ZorbaBeta | yeah it's 7am here |
| 14:09.47 | ZorbaBeta | and I should be in sleep |
| 14:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Overnight is not the best time to demand service, nope. |
| 14:18.47 | Wobin | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/friends_house.jpg |
| 14:19.25 | olafski | HAHAHA nice one :D |
| 14:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | I wonder what's gonna be for lunch. |
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| 14:31.20 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:36.32 | Wobin | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/W3Ctwitter.png |
| 14:38.29 | Fisker | my care level |
| 14:38.41 | Fisker | oh god |
| 14:38.53 | nevcairiel | so old Wobin :P |
| 14:39.22 | Wobin | inorite? |
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| 14:42.48 | Fisker | weren't they supposed to launch the google wave beta around now? |
| 14:43.02 | Fisker | oh |
| 14:43.07 | Fisker | on wednesday |
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| 14:46.45 | nicoli_s | thats right you get it right! |
| 14:48.15 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:48.17 | Fisker | sup? |
| 14:48.45 | Aelobin | let's make Fisker soup |
| 14:48.52 | Lopeppeppy | for lunch for me? |
| 14:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | I was thinking a tuna sandwich... |
| 14:49.23 | Fisker | sounds nice Aelobin |
| 14:49.25 | Fisker | can i get some? |
| 14:49.33 | Aelobin | erm... sure ;) |
| 14:49.38 | Aelobin | if you help make it |
| 14:49.43 | Aelobin | i'm sure there's something you could do to help... |
| 14:53.12 | Fisker | cuts up Aelobin |
| 14:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | no no, the vegetables have to be dice. |
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| 14:54.16 | Lopeppeppy | So... cajun chicken, tuna sandwich, or uninspired salad for lunchings? |
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| 14:54.42 | nevcairiel | chicken, imho |
| 14:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple lunessa |
| 14:54.51 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples lunessa quite well, and hands lunessa to lopeppeppy |
| 14:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm leaning that way, nevcairiel... I don't have it often, and can't make it for myself. |
| 14:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | I've had too much takeout this last one-handed week. Rawr. |
| 14:55.23 | Lunessa | Don't staple too hard - I |
| 14:55.32 | Lunessa | I might be contaigous |
| 14:55.55 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:56.02 | Aelobin | Lopeppeppy: chicken, gief tuna to the cats :P |
| 14:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles up to Lunessa. Contagious is for wimps. |
| 14:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | afk to hunt chickens for lunch then! |
| 15:00.12 | Lunessa | huggeles Lopeppeppy, even with his head/throat cold |
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| 15:15.16 | Fisker | i'm bored |
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| 15:25.07 | Ackis | http://profile.mygamercard.net/CanadaAckis RAWR |
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| 15:33.25 | kdtresh | bah, did something in the last patch weaken the getall scan? |
| 15:34.09 | kdtresh | i keep getting "processed x auctions in y time before stopping" |
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| 15:38.45 | Wobin | eh, getall never worked for me |
| 15:38.48 | Wobin | always crashed =( |
| 15:39.32 | Bruners | Fisker: this thread needs you http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27562 |
| 15:42.18 | Wobin | ITT? |
| 15:42.49 | Lunessa | Wobin: In This Thread |
| 15:43.17 | Wobin | In This Thread Mac users? |
| 15:44.58 | Bruners | Wobin: i take it you havent used the internet much |
| 15:44.59 | Bruners | :P |
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| 15:46.28 | Wobin | It's late |
| 15:46.49 | Wobin | my cognitive associative ability has degraded =P |
| 15:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | naptime |
| 15:47.28 | Cruciformer | anyone on with curse approval abilities? |
| 15:47.30 | Lunessa | Heh. I r mac user |
| 15:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | I have windoze |
| 15:48.08 | Wobin | Shirik should have just hidden the rights request |
| 15:48.16 | Wobin | and none of this would have occurred =P |
| 15:48.29 | Wobin | So much for being open =P |
| 15:48.31 | Bruners | and im free to use whatever i want |
| 15:48.37 | Lunessa | I have Windows, Mac OS X, and considering scrapping my XP box to make way for Linux. |
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| 15:49.03 | Wobin | wow, speak of the devil |
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| 15:56.03 | Shirik | lolgourr |
| 15:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | bless you |
| 15:58.19 | Shirik | it's Fisker's name |
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| 16:01.05 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:01.28 | Fisker | why must u be so srs? |
| 16:03.26 | Shirik | why must u be so not srs |
| 16:04.14 | Fisker | i asked first |
| 16:04.15 | Fisker | jerk |
| 16:04.40 | Shirik | ow. |
| 16:04.51 | Shirik | Just got info about next lecture |
| 16:04.58 | Shirik | Although many methods have been employed to synthesize complex oxide nanorods, most of them suffer from poor control of either stoichiometry or orientation. Pulsed laser deposition (PLD), on the other hand, affords precise control of stoichiometry as well as the ability to control orientation. Although it is not suited for large scale production, PLD can be used to produce complicated nanostructures. |
| 16:04.59 | Shirik | This talk will cover the basics of PLD; the mechanism for nanorod growth; how nanorods can be grown using PLD; and the methods for making functional arrays of nanorods. |
| 16:05.03 | Shirik | My head exploded |
| 16:08.16 | Fisker | i came Shirik |
| 16:08.24 | Shirik | did you saw? |
| 16:09.10 | Lunessa | Shirik: Mmm... nanorods. |
| 16:09.56 | Fisker | hahahhaha |
| 16:10.02 | Fisker | i love this |
| 16:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | Must you give this lecture, or just listen? |
| 16:10.51 | Shirik | listen, lol |
| 16:10.54 | Shirik | I have no idea wtf that is |
| 16:11.05 | Shirik | I can't read half of those words |
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| 16:11.20 | Fisker | i lol'd Shirik |
| 16:11.20 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:11.29 | Shirik | :3 |
| 16:11.48 | NightHawkTheSane | mmmm... stoichiometry |
| 16:12.27 | Fisker | they shut down a train station because of bomb threats |
| 16:12.33 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 16:12.38 | Fisker | oh nos we going to die! |
| 16:15.36 | nicoli_s | i mean come on, how do you get out of high school without a firm grasp of nanorods? |
| 16:16.01 | Shirik | .. |
| 16:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a crude joke in there, but it's too early for me to figure it out |
| 16:16.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:17.16 | nicoli_s | i wasnt even aiming for that, but ill take it |
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| 16:26.23 | Lunessa | Shirik: Is this a required course? |
| 16:26.32 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 16:26.57 | Lopeppeppy | so yes |
| 16:27.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: shirik wants to get a firm grasp of his nanorods in his spare time |
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| 16:27.35 | Lunessa | He better get some good micro manipulators |
| 16:29.26 | Shirik | I give up |
| 16:29.28 | Shirik | english is doomed |
| 16:29.45 | Lunessa | I certainly hope not. :) |
| 16:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | Meep. |
| 16:30.09 | Shirik | when even professional newsletters cannot use proper english, advocating instead "what everyone does," we're screwed |
| 16:30.21 | Lunessa | Ugh. |
| 16:30.42 | Lunessa | Language evolves over time, but the rules don't change that dramatically |
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| 16:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | You sure? |
| 16:36.00 | Lunessa | Barring some massive upheaval, yes, I'm pretty sure. |
| 16:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oxford comma = massive upheaval. |
| 16:37.38 | NightHawkTheSane | comma splices Lunessa |
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| 17:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 17:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | my mom calls me up "how do i turn your printer on" |
| 17:10.36 | Lopeppeppy | You don't, mom... take your disk to Office Max |
| 17:12.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i had to walk her through finding the switch on the back side of the printer, and flipping it. |
| 17:12.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry, NHTS. |
| 17:12.49 | NightHawkTheSane | me too. :P |
| 17:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | I know you love her, but sometimes... oh, sometimes,the urge to kill must rise! |
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| 17:51.13 | Aelobin | anyone ever tanked os10 3d zerg? |
| 17:55.24 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:55.54 | Fisker | not me though, lol! |
| 17:55.54 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:56.50 | Bruners | yous so funny man |
| 17:57.27 | Aelobin | :O |
| 17:57.31 | Aelobin | get in the soup now! |
| 17:58.11 | Lopeppeppy | yeah, Peppy is hungry, get in the soup. |
| 17:58.22 | Aelobin | you still not eaten? 0.o |
| 18:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | I did go get lunch. I'm just still hungry. |
| 18:04.18 | Lopeppeppy | dinos eat their weight in trolls every day, you know. |
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| 18:09.59 | Cruciformer | slaps curse gaming upside the head with a week-o dead octopus |
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| 18:10.24 | Lopeppeppy | huh. Someone has aggression issues! Drop a PM to the site mods instead. |
| 18:10.44 | Cruciformer | nah I just had to find a use for my week-old dead octopus :) |
| 18:12.42 | Lopeppeppy | gormet sushi |
| 18:13.03 | Cruciformer | I never could get into the whole sushi thing |
| 18:14.39 | Lopeppeppy | me either. dead things should be at least marginally cooked |
| 18:14.46 | Cruciformer | whenever my friends want to go do sushi I just end up ordering chicken terriyaki (sp?) |
| 18:14.47 | batbot | Cruciformer, nothing found. |
| 18:15.15 | Cruciformer | I agree Lopeppeppy. Good steak especially marginally cooked. |
| 18:15.44 | Cruciformer | the only raw meat I eat is carpacio |
| 18:15.52 | Cruciformer | that's super-yummy |
| 18:16.01 | durcyn | teriyaki |
| 18:16.17 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11030833637&sid=1#4 |
| 18:16.25 | Fisker | I should post http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2851814771_38b1ff5e57.jpg |
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| 18:21.32 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:40.59 | Aelobin | am i right in thinking well coded UIs/UFs can increase fps/performance? |
| 18:41.21 | Lopeppeppy | ... increase? versus what standard? |
| 18:41.29 | Aelobin | the blizz default UI |
| 18:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | a bad addon can decrease performance, that's for sure. |
| 18:41.44 | Aelobin | :P |
| 18:41.47 | nevcairiel | You can't exactly disable the default UI. |
| 18:41.51 | nevcairiel | You can just hide it |
| 18:42.06 | Aelobin | wondering if most common actionbar/UF mods will nil out frames/hooks in the default UI |
| 18:42.17 | nevcairiel | I would hope they don't |
| 18:42.26 | Aelobin | or anything similiar :P |
| 18:42.51 | Aelobin | i guess hiding it "disables" the OnUpdates |
| 18:43.02 | nevcairiel | Not much uses OnUpdates |
| 18:43.29 | Aelobin | im wanting to switch to a bar/UF mod to give myself more visible screen space whilst tanking |
| 18:43.39 | nevcairiel | that addons can do |
| 18:43.40 | Lopeppeppy | then dooooo eeeeeeet. |
| 18:43.42 | Aelobin | but my computer finds it hard to play as it is :P |
| 18:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | then upgrade |
| 18:43.51 | Aelobin | hence the original question ;) |
| 18:43.52 | nevcairiel | but improve performance over the default ui .. not so much :P |
| 18:44.02 | Aelobin | and no, upgrade isnt an option atm |
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| 18:44.42 | Aelobin | nevcairiel: how come the default UI can't be "unhooked" as such? |
| 18:44.56 | nevcairiel | Its just a bad idea |
| 18:45.50 | Aelobin | so upgrading my UI will have a small downgrade on performance |
| 18:45.54 | Aelobin | there's no way around that? |
| 18:46.18 | nevcairiel | If you use small addons, it won't be noticable really. |
| 18:47.50 | Shirik | What is XNA Game Studio? |
| 18:48.04 | alestane | XBox Live dev environment, I believe. |
| 18:48.06 | Shirik | Microsoft XNA Game Studio 3.1 is a set of tools based on supported versions of Microsoft Visual Studio tools that allow students and hobbyists to build games for Microsoft Windows, the Microsoft Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system, and Microsoft Zune. |
| 18:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | xbox dev kit |
| 18:48.11 | Shirik | i.e., I can write for xbox 360? |
| 18:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 18:48.19 | Shirik | wow. |
| 18:48.22 | Shirik | That's awesome |
| 18:48.37 | Shirik | I thought they restricted that SDK |
| 18:48.49 | nevcairiel | its probably restricted :P |
| 18:48.53 | alestane | I think You get access to the creator kit as part of a $100 annual membership or something. |
| 18:48.56 | Shirik | I definitely have access to it |
| 18:49.07 | nevcairiel | could still be a restricted sdk |
| 18:49.11 | alestane | And one of my friends got access through his school. |
| 18:49.37 | Shirik | that's how I have access to it, alestane |
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| 18:50.34 | Aelobin | nevcairiel: could you point me in the direction of some small addons? |
| 18:50.48 | Aelobin | or is it just dominoes / bartender, and xerl / pitbull ? |
| 18:50.57 | Lopeppeppy | small all depends on how you use them. |
| 18:51.12 | nevcairiel | For UFs those are pretty hefty, at least |
| 18:51.18 | nevcairiel | er, heavy |
| 18:51.23 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:51.29 | Aelobin | aye, i know no other decent ones that arent hefty :P |
| 18:51.32 | Aelobin | if you get what i mean |
| 18:51.37 | Lopeppeppy | sage is pretty lightweight, iirc, for a unit frame |
| 18:51.56 | Aelobin | i just want some that move the frames into a simplistic and small design, and same with action bars |
| 18:52.01 | Aelobin | none of the crazy resizing options n all that |
| 18:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, it is available for free |
| 18:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=DF80D533-BA87-40B4-ABE2-1EF12EA506B7&displaylang=en |
| 18:52.20 | Shirik | old version is old |
| 18:52.21 | nevcairiel | simple unit frames might d o what you want |
| 18:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | however, if you want to load anything you make onto your console, you have to do their $100 a year thing |
| 18:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | okay here |
| 18:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=48f7ba37-8ba7-4d16-8873-0b7f83ef77f9&displaylang=en |
| 18:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 18:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 18:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb medication |
| 18:52.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:53.00 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, meds |
| 18:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | here we are |
| 18:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=80782277-d584-42d2-8024-893fcd9d3e82&displaylang=en |
| 18:53.31 | Shirik | bad ScytheBlade1 is bad |
| 18:53.32 | Shirik | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=80782277-D584-42D2-8024-893FCD9D3E82&displaylang=en |
| 18:53.34 | ScytheBlade1 | point stands! |
| 18:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | beat you |
| 18:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | sucker |
| 18:53.41 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:53.41 | Shirik | but |
| 18:53.44 | Shirik | I had it before you |
| 18:53.44 | Lopeppeppy | but |
| 18:54.03 | Shirik | oh yeah ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:54.12 | Shirik | well I have a copy of Windows Server 2008R2 for free too :p |
| 18:54.13 | Shirik | legally |
| 18:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I do too |
| 18:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | In fact, I can have 20 of them if I want |
| 18:54.28 | Shirik | me too! |
| 18:54.31 | nevcairiel | I bet i have too, i just didnt bother to get it =P |
| 18:54.33 | Fisker | årh yeah Shirik |
| 18:54.37 | nevcairiel | who needs that shit |
| 18:54.38 | Fisker | du skylder mig tusind kroner |
| 18:54.38 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 18:54.45 | Shirik | high fives ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:54.56 | Shirik | nah nevcairiel, I need it |
| 18:54.58 | Shirik | it's for a build server |
| 18:55.06 | Shirik | Linux doesn't do a very good job of running Win32 unit tests |
| 18:55.21 | nevcairiel | and what exactly does the 2008r2 do that any previous windows didnt do? |
| 18:55.31 | Shirik | it's new! |
| 18:56.11 | Lopeppeppy | eats more cookies |
| 18:56.13 | Shirik | no but really, the reason for going with a server OS instead of Vista, etc., in this situation is because of Win Server's HA capabilities |
| 18:56.24 | nevcairiel | HA? |
| 18:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | for a build server? |
| 18:56.26 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | really? |
| 18:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | a build server? |
| 18:56.32 | Fisker | should i get 2TB hdd moar? |
| 18:56.44 | Shirik | non-server versions of Windows aren't aware of how to automatically restart in case of application failure natively |
| 18:56.46 | Shirik | etc. |
| 18:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | er, yes they are |
| 18:56.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | points at windows services |
| 18:57.20 | Fisker | points at services not being apps lol |
| 18:57.21 | Shirik | fine |
| 18:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | where are services? Where? |
| 18:57.28 | Shirik | what about the ability of multiple people logging in at once |
| 18:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | services.msc! |
| 18:57.45 | Shirik | ah I guess it does ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:57.48 | Shirik | didnt' know that |
| 18:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Since win2k I know, NT likely |
| 18:58.15 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/199172599 |
| 18:59.13 | Fisker | but Shirik |
| 18:59.14 | Fisker | guide me |
| 18:59.34 | Shirik | fine ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:59.48 | Shirik | how do you deal with someone working on the web server at the same time as another is working on the build server? |
| 18:59.50 | Shirik | hmmmmm? |
| 18:59.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fisker%27s+personal+guide |
| 19:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: define "working on" |
| 19:00.15 | Shirik | Hey! Maybe I can convince them to install the distributed version on our beowulf cluster |
| 19:00.24 | Shirik | I'm sure they'll love that |
| 19:01.04 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I'm not sure how to define it |
| 19:01.08 | Shirik | mucking around in |
| 19:01.11 | Shirik | changing stuffs |
| 19:01.16 | Shirik | utilizing mouse and keyboard |
| 19:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | l2 RPC |
| 19:01.28 | Shirik | l2 remote desktop |
| 19:01.50 | nevcairiel | somehow RPC is more useful then remote desktop :P |
| 19:02.13 | Shirik | also harder :P |
| 19:02.20 | Shirik | remote desktop is trivial |
| 19:02.33 | nevcairiel | remote managing of services isnt exactly rocket science |
| 19:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 19:02.44 | Shirik | it is when you're on windows |
| 19:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | No it isn't |
| 19:02.53 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 19:02.55 | Shirik | too much magic |
| 19:02.59 | Shirik | linux is easy |
| 19:03.08 | Shirik | just /etc/init.d/everything start |
| 19:03.14 | Shirik | /win |
| 19:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You are so broken |
| 19:03.21 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:03.51 | nevcairiel | just handout vbox images with windows on them to people as build enviroments, problem solved |
| 19:03.51 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 19:04.12 | Shirik | anyway, fine, ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:04.15 | Shirik | if not for any other reason |
| 19:04.18 | Shirik | because win server is <3 |
| 19:04.22 | Shirik | makes you sound cool |
| 19:04.32 | Shirik | when you log in and it's all "Windows Server 2008 R2" in your FACE |
| 19:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not saying that 2k8 r2 is a bad choice, simply that your reasons are craaaaaaazy |
| 19:05.04 | Arrowmaster | ill say that its a bad choice |
| 19:05.18 | Shirik | give me a better choice :) |
| 19:05.25 | Arrowmaster | linux |
| 19:05.30 | Shirik | For a Win32 build server |
| 19:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | for windows unit tests, Arrowmaster |
| 19:05.41 | Arrowmaster | linux with ming32 |
| 19:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah kinda not the point of unit tests on a platform |
| 19:06.18 | nevcairiel | you can't exactly rely on unit tests done from a cross-compile :p |
| 19:06.26 | Shirik | ming32 doesn't do much emulating of CreateProcess or WaitForSingleObject |
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| 19:06.52 | Shirik | it will just create an object file where ld will go "wtfhax?" |
| 19:07.16 | Fisker | wtfhax? |
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| 19:09.43 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, I do want to know how to make a service though |
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| 19:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | sc |
| 19:09.51 | Shirik | I have a script that I need to run as a service |
| 19:10.00 | Shirik | sc, eh? |
| 19:10.04 | Shirik | why do you know this much about windows? |
| 19:10.08 | Shirik | I thought you were a linux guy |
| 19:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I consider myself rather adept in both |
| 19:10.47 | Legorol | I'm proud to be completely clueless about linux beyond cd, ls, grep and diff |
| 19:11.03 | nevcairiel | thats nothing to be proud of |
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| 19:11.25 | Fisker | l2google Shirik |
| 19:11.43 | Legorol | unfortunately i was exaggerating i know a little more :( so i can't be too proud |
| 19:11.51 | Shirik | Fisker: ScytheBlade1 is far better than google |
| 19:12.04 | Fisker | naw |
| 19:12.41 | Aelobin | anyone got a link to a nice guide to designing and coding yoru own UI? |
| 19:12.48 | Aelobin | only ever done addons before :P |
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| 19:13.52 | Lopeppeppy | Not really sucha thing, Aelobin. It's all aesthetics. |
| 19:13.59 | Aelobin | :P |
| 19:14.55 | Lopeppeppy | NoStockUI is a good blog though |
| 19:15.08 | Aelobin | ty |
| 19:15.25 | Aelobin | i just mean the basics of hiding what needs to be hidden, building up custom health bars |
| 19:15.27 | Aelobin | etc |
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| 19:16.02 | Lopeppeppy | That all depends on what YOU want and need. There are no standards. The entire point is to be customized! |
| 19:16.09 | Aelobin | xD |
| 19:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | If your UI works for you,it's the most excellent UI in the worldm, full stop. |
| 19:16.58 | Aelobin | aye but a guide on building up healthbars and such would still be useful :P |
| 19:16.58 | Lopeppeppy | Don't put crap on that you don't need, just ecause matticus says it's cool |
| 19:17.13 | Aelobin | coding mainly event-hooked "behind the scenes" addons is a lot different to fully graphical things :P |
| 19:17.20 | Aelobin | or at least from what i've done in the past |
| 19:18.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's exactly like deciding where on your desk to put your stapler. |
| 19:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | Where can you reach it when you need it? If you don't need it, why is it on your desk? |
| 19:18.53 | Aelobin | i dont have a stapler :< |
| 19:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | Then don't put one on your desk just because you can. |
| 19:24.26 | Legorol | you are so learn-ed, mama Lopeppeppy |
| 19:24.44 | Legorol | the wisdom of the ages and staplers |
| 19:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | Excuse me, I think you have my stapler. |
| 19:26.37 | Ackis | is it bad form to tell my boss that on my last day I'm going to be taking the window instead of the elevator? :| |
| 19:26.37 | Pneumatus | what if you have plenty of room on your desk, but don't really need it |
| 19:26.52 | Pneumatus | also, what if you dont have a desk, but have a stapler |
| 19:27.01 | Pneumatus | where does it go then?! |
| 19:27.28 | Legorol | Does are edge cases, Pneumatus. You can either leave them as bugs in the code, or code around them. |
| 19:27.36 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly |
| 19:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | I could suggest the round file, or the brown file. |
| 19:27.45 | Legorol | s/Does*those/ |
| 19:28.17 | Shirik | sighhh ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:28.19 | Shirik | epic failure |
| 19:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 19:28.25 | Shirik | I cannot just install a service like that |
| 19:28.41 | Shirik | the program never exits, so Windows thinks that it failed to start |
| 19:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | fail on your part then |
| 19:29.03 | Shirik | need to write some kind of wrapper that spawns a process |
| 19:30.34 | nevcairiel | that should be trivial =p |
| 19:31.29 | Mikk | there's plenty of those |
| 19:31.38 | Mikk | i think there's even one in one of MS's kits |
| 19:31.56 | Mikk | i wrote one back in uhh 97ish iirc |
| 19:32.21 | Mikk | wouldn't be surprised if it's still up on one of the fserves-come-websites |
| 19:32.54 | ScytheBlade1 | !g srvany.exe |
| 19:32.54 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: How To Create a User-Defined Service <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137890> |
| 19:35.35 | Shirik | I'm confused though, ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:35.48 | Shirik | how does Windows know the service has failed? |
| 19:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | good question, you should research it |
| 19:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | but generally, it watches the process or waits for a signal |
| 19:36.25 | Shirik | well it's not really watching the process anymore |
| 19:36.28 | Shirik | anyway I'll look that up another day |
| 19:36.31 | Shirik | it's not important now |
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| 19:51.32 | Shirik | Anyone here speak chinese? |
| 19:51.37 | Shirik | what is æå®äºï¼ |
| 19:51.43 | nevcairiel | its boxes |
| 19:51.45 | Lopeppeppy | four boxes |
| 19:51.54 | Shirik | google translator said it was "gao ding it" |
| 19:51.59 | Shirik | and I was like ".... thanks" |
| 19:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | "god damn it" ? |
| 19:52.12 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 19:52.14 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:52.43 | Lopeppeppy | Just a guess based on the translators being... ineffective. |
| 19:52.54 | nevcairiel | i guess i was too lazy to install chinese fonts :P |
| 19:53.04 | Lopeppeppy | I have no reason to install chinese fonts. |
| 19:53.15 | Shirik | I install Japanese and Chinese |
| 19:53.25 | nevcairiel | i can't read that stuff anyway |
| 19:53.29 | nevcairiel | so why bother |
| 19:53.30 | Shirik | Japanese because I like to write Japanese occasionally, and Chinese because I already have Kanji installed so it's not a big deal anyway |
| 19:53.37 | Shirik | and I have chinese friends |
| 19:53.40 | Shirik | so sometimes he does this to me |
| 19:53.44 | Shirik | and then I respond with japanese |
| 19:53.49 | Shirik | and then we go to google translate |
| 19:53.50 | alestane | Shirik: If I had to guess, I'd say it means to acknowledge something. |
| 19:53.58 | Shirik | and then we are completely confused |
| 19:54.10 | Shirik | and then we continue in english |
| 19:55.00 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i get "Did decides" |
| 19:55.09 | Shirik | hm |
| 19:55.55 | Shirik | ãã£ããã£ã³ä¸ãbsï½ï½ï½ |
| 19:55.55 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:55.59 | Shirik | .. |
| 19:56.02 | Shirik | gotta change labs brb |
| 19:56.06 | nevcairiel | alot of boxes with bs in the middle |
| 19:56.09 | Shirik | also gotta look at monitor while typing |
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| 20:01.35 | alestane | What do I have to be with the Sons of Hodir to learn what happened to the hammer, Honored? |
| 20:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 20:02.05 | alestane | Whatfor Peppy go *snark*? |
| 20:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | Hodir's Hammer. *snark* |
| 20:03.02 | alestane | Peppy...if you think that's *snark*, you haven't seen the quest names of the dailies you do to build rep with them. |
| 20:03.27 | nevcairiel | blow hodirs horn? |
| 20:03.28 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:03.48 | alestane | "Blowing Hodir's Horn," "Polishing the Helm," and the list goes on. |
| 20:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I snark, alestane. All Hodir cracks me up. |
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| 20:06.16 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 20:06.17 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:06.29 | alestane | Practically every quest they give can be read as a fellatio innuendo of some kind. |
| 20:06.37 | Shirik | hm, opendns seems down |
| 20:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | gotta love teenagers |
| 20:07.25 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: works or me |
| 20:07.32 | Ackis | no I hate teenagers they all suck |
| 20:07.36 | Shirik | well they do have a bunch of servers |
| 20:07.43 | Arrowmaster | yes they do |
| 20:08.17 | Fisker | i crack you up Lopeppeppy |
| 20:08.25 | Shirik | anyway, anyone have experience with sqlite? Everything I'm reading says its performance is good. But that's from their website. |
| 20:08.33 | Shirik | Anyone else agree? I need it for a real-time embedded syste. |
| 20:08.47 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 20:09.00 | Arrowmaster | well for smaller less complex stuff it should be better than a full blown sql server |
| 20:09.02 | Shirik | anyone whose opinion I might be able to trust? |
| 20:09.03 | nevcairiel | I don't think sqlite is really RT capable |
| 20:09.04 | Pneumatus | i've only used it on small projects that i didn't need a full DBMS for, but have been happy with it |
| 20:09.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel: That's an interesting point |
| 20:09.28 | Shirik | unfortunately, we aren't really sure how RT we need the database to be |
| 20:09.43 | Shirik | The system is designed such that if this component fails, it should proceed normally (though hindered) |
| 20:10.45 | nevcairiel | Its performance isn't bad, but i don't think its fully deterministic and RT-safe |
| 20:10.58 | nevcairiel | So if you need it to be, no good |
| 20:11.15 | nevcairiel | deterministic in run-time, i mean |
| 20:11.16 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:11.43 | Shirik | Performance isn't really what I'm worried about |
| 20:11.46 | Shirik | well |
| 20:11.47 | Shirik | I am |
| 20:11.55 | Shirik | but mostly because I need it to be deterministic |
| 20:12.08 | Shirik | but I'm not sure how much of a margin of error I have on that determinism |
| 20:12.37 | nevcairiel | well thats the whole idea of RT, a fixed runtime you can build around ;) |
| 20:12.47 | Shirik | this is a confusing problem really |
| 20:12.51 | Shirik | because it should be deterministic |
| 20:12.53 | Shirik | but it doesn't have to be |
| 20:13.03 | Shirik | so what do you do -_- |
| 20:13.14 | nevcairiel | I have no idea if there are small DBMS designed for that task |
| 20:13.30 | nevcairiel | i've only ever worked with really basic apps in real-time envs |
| 20:14.27 | Shirik | tbh we don't need a fully functional SQL compliant database system |
| 20:14.36 | Shirik | we wrote our own originally (well, another team did) |
| 20:14.38 | Shirik | but it's shit |
| 20:14.46 | Shirik | and SQLite will certainly be better at performance |
| 20:16.00 | Pneumatus | does sqlite support transactions these days? |
| 20:20.04 | Shirik | yes |
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| 20:22.48 | Mikk | wonders how often people actually "need" DBMS to begin with |
| 20:24.25 | Lopeppeppy | I nnnnnnneeeeeeed it!! |
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| 20:43.11 | tem | the changes to Hodir rep are kind of rediculous |
| 20:43.38 | nevcairiel | what did they change? |
| 20:43.44 | nevcairiel | wasnt it enough that you could buy it? :p |
| 20:43.49 | tem | 3 main changes since I last leveled horid rep |
| 20:44.08 | tem | 1) Normal Daily now has a hodir commendation option that gives 500 rep |
| 20:44.20 | nevcairiel | ew |
| 20:44.30 | tem | 2) Relics of Ulduar which drop while you're doing the dailies giving 250-500 extra rep per day |
| 20:44.54 | nevcairiel | thats not "new", you can even buy them at the AH |
| 20:45.09 | tem | 3) Other people AREN'T leveling hodir as much which means the area isn't crowded at all |
| 20:45.18 | tem | which also means that I can actually find Everfrost chips now |
| 20:45.26 | tem | I've found at least 4 every day so far |
| 20:45.36 | nevcairiel | sounds easy |
| 20:45.37 | tem | nevcairiel, I'm unwilling to pay what the AH wants for the relics |
| 20:45.58 | tem | anyway, that's all what's changed since my last tim leveling hodir |
| 20:46.05 | tem | which felt horrendously slow and tedious |
| 20:46.14 | nevcairiel | i just finished my rep when the relics of ulduar turn in was patched in |
| 20:46.20 | tem | I'm like 4 days of dailies in and 1300 rep into revered |
| 20:46.35 | nevcairiel | had so many of those pilled up |
| 20:46.52 | tem | lua> 500 + 500 + 350*4 |
| 20:46.53 | lua_bot | tem: 2400 |
| 20:47.01 | tem | extra 2400 rep per day |
| 20:47.02 | tem | hot |
| 20:47.59 | tem | Until a few days ago, I insisted that everfrost chips didn't exist because I had never been able to find one |
| 20:48.07 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:48.07 | tem | (even having their spawn points shown on my map) |
| 20:48.32 | nevcairiel | i found some in the early days, when there was like 10 people that even unlocked the sons yet |
| 20:48.43 | nevcairiel | but once it was more crowded, not much luck |
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| 20:54.12 | Arrowmaster | i found a bunch when i was first doing that rep, then i gave up |
| 20:55.08 | nevcairiel | next patch hodir gets a tabard |
| 20:55.12 | nevcairiel | i bet :P |
| 20:57.41 | Arrowmaster | my syslog probably hates me right now |
| 20:58.06 | Arrowmaster | ive had a process running for like 24 hours now thats trying to copy a scratched dvd |
| 21:00.13 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:00.17 | Shirik | I have a bahamas cent in my wallet |
| 21:04.53 | nicoli_s | i bet thats worth a fortune! |
| 21:06.41 | Aelobin | think i might force my guild to do a naxx run in gear ilvl < 200 |
| 21:06.43 | Aelobin | just for lulz |
| 21:06.51 | nicoli_s | make em do it naked |
| 21:07.23 | Aelobin | lol i think that's a bit too unrealistic :P |
| 21:07.37 | nicoli_s | then they just arent good enough |
| 21:09.25 | Shirik | tank must be unarmed? |
| 21:10.02 | jpmorgan | except for his fishing pole |
| 21:10.04 | Aelobin | any other ideas of making naxx challenging and maybe fun? xD |
| 21:10.51 | Bruners | haste: poke |
| 21:13.41 | Shirik | I would be interested in doing it with only weapons/shields |
| 21:13.49 | Shirik | I think it's impossible to do completely naked |
| 21:13.55 | Aelobin | aye |
| 21:14.03 | Aelobin | altho there's a world first i would be impressed by :P |
| 21:14.16 | Shirik | how do you keep threat unarmed |
| 21:14.34 | Aelobin | if everyone is unarmed and you bring only melee |
| 21:14.37 | Aelobin | should be easy :P |
| 21:14.48 | Shirik | the "only melee" condition is the part that worries me |
| 21:14.56 | Shirik | well, what about healers |
| 21:15.28 | Aelobin | hmmm |
| 21:15.28 | Legorol | healing threat is nothing, unarmed tank still does decent threat |
| 21:15.35 | Aelobin | yeh |
| 21:15.44 | tem | how do a warrior's aoe abilities interact with sweeping strikes? |
| 21:15.53 | Legorol | define "interact" |
| 21:15.55 | Legorol | they are independent |
| 21:16.08 | Legorol | you might say they don't interact at all |
| 21:16.09 | tem | if I cleave, how many targets do I hit? |
| 21:16.22 | Legorol | ah you call cleave an aoe ability |
| 21:16.31 | tem | blizzard considers it aoe |
| 21:16.41 | Legorol | afaik you hit like this: cleave hits a primary target plus 1 additional |
| 21:16.51 | Legorol | sweeping strikes causes you additional damage on someone other than the primary target |
| 21:16.51 | tem | (aoe enough to reduce its damage on targets that have "reduces damage taken by aoe") |
| 21:16.57 | Legorol | this may or may not be the same one as the one that cleave hit |
| 21:17.34 | Legorol | at least this is how it worked a while ago, i haven't tried it since wotlk at least |
| 21:18.43 | Shirik | wow, I can't uninstall Visual Studio 2010 |
| 21:18.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: JoL healing ftw? |
| 21:19.18 | Mikk | and yeah cleave is considered aoe for the purposes of aoe immune mobs |
| 21:19.24 | Mikk | or reduced aoe damaged mobs |
| 21:19.46 | Mikk | our fury warrior nags incessantly about the suckage of it @ toc champs |
| 21:19.55 | Mikk | + WW obviously |
| 21:20.28 | tem | yep |
| 21:20.40 | tem | it's pretty great for ret pallies and blood DKs too |
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| 21:20.50 | tem | have I ever mentioned how much I hate that fight? |
| 21:21.03 | Aelobin | what ilvl were the first lvl 70 epics? |
| 21:21.37 | kd3 | 120ish? |
| 21:21.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think |
| 21:21.55 | Aelobin | ty |
| 21:21.58 | Arrowmaster | no 110 ish i think |
| 21:22.03 | Aelobin | pointed me in the right direction on wowhead, seems 115 |
| 21:22.07 | Arrowmaster | they later increased the ilvl of everything in kara |
| 21:22.11 | Aelobin | as an attumen epic drop |
| 21:22.27 | Arrowmaster | maybe it was 100 |
| 21:22.39 | tem | Badge of Justice: ilvl 110 |
| 21:23.06 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31319 |
| 21:23.08 | tem | heroic drops 105 |
| 21:23.13 | Arrowmaster | what ilvl is the stuff from the last boss in kara? |
| 21:23.35 | Arrowmaster | his drops were increased by more than 5 or 10 i think |
| 21:24.27 | tem | 125 |
| 21:25.35 | Arrowmaster | a lot of the epics when TBC came out were at the exact ilvl where heroic blues were either equal to the epics or the epics were only 5 ilvls higher when you removed the ilvl difference thats caused by quality |
| 21:26.16 | kd3 | wtfs at thermaltake's level 10 case |
| 21:26.20 | kd3 | $700!? |
| 21:26.31 | Arrowmaster | link |
| 21:26.32 | kd3 | it looks cool, but not for that kind of money |
| 21:26.37 | kd3 | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/exclusive_thermaltakes_jawdropping_level_10_chassis_unboxed |
| 21:26.39 | Arrowmaster | ive seen a $600 one before |
| 21:27.02 | Arrowmaster | and ive seen $1000 ones before but those were the coolermaster limited edition paint jobs |
| 21:27.14 | NeoTron | http://i37.tinypic.com/5l5fts.jpg what a thing of beauty |
| 21:29.00 | Thunder_Child | thats what happens with name barnds |
| 21:29.06 | Thunder_Child | brands* |
| 21:29.24 | Thunder_Child | they partnered with porche for that box |
| 21:29.45 | Arrowmaster | its also a unique design and mainly for show |
| 21:38.27 | Mikk | NeoTron wtf :P |
| 21:40.02 | NeoTron | Mikk: definitely a wtf |
| 21:43.59 | NeoTron | "Rocket fart propelled bull rams dude with horns into the wall" |
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| 21:51.24 | Fisker | slaps Mikk around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:51.25 | Fisker | slaps NeoTron around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:51.51 | tem | NeoTron, where did you find that? |
| 21:52.35 | NeoTron | tem: in another irc channel |
| 21:52.43 | NeoTron | I don't know what the heck it is |
| 21:58.54 | Aelobin | my iLvl < 200 gear plan :P http://chardev.org/?template=267435 |
| 22:00.26 | Aelobin | trying to figure out how to swap some def for stam |
| 22:00.57 | tem | alestane, why in the fuck are you using proper enchants and epic gems on such shitty gear? |
| 22:01.25 | Aelobin | lol you pinged alestane not me xD |
| 22:01.44 | tem | alestane, sorry your name is too similar |
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| 22:01.54 | Aelobin | and because im bored + have spare gold :P |
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| 22:02.21 | tem | if you're bored, run heroics and gear up the toon |
| 22:02.48 | tem | PS pray that template doesn't have your server name or I'll be tempted to report your name |
| 22:03.13 | Aelobin | lol what? |
| 22:03.30 | Aelobin | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=The+Maelstrom&n=Aelixia |
| 22:03.45 | Aelobin | that's the character, so 1) the name's fine, and 2) heroic farming wouldnt help |
| 22:04.39 | Mikk | get some crafted epix instead |
| 22:04.45 | Mikk | plenty of ilvl200 stuff |
| 22:04.59 | Mikk | very nice tank stuff especially |
| 22:05.02 | Aelobin | im setting myself the challenge of the ilvl being less than 200 :p |
| 22:05.05 | Aelobin | for naxx |
| 22:05.11 | Mikk | aha :P |
| 22:05.29 | Aelobin | so basically downgrading my gear outta boredom |
| 22:05.32 | Aelobin | between progress raids |
| 22:05.42 | Aelobin | dno if i cba to do it yet |
| 22:07.03 | tem | wow what an asshole |
| 22:07.13 | tem | who takes vendorstrike over a hunter or feral on a DK? |
| 22:07.39 | Aelobin | i dont see how vendorstrike can be more beneficial for a hunter when one half of it has high expertise |
| 22:07.45 | Aelobin | and there were no feral druids in the raid, hence i got it |
| 22:08.05 | Aelobin | why would i turn down such an upgrade from marrowstrike just because it would fit a class better that isn't in the raid |
| 22:08.11 | tem | Protip: DKs don't like AP |
| 22:08.18 | tem | you should be using a Strength weapon |
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| 22:08.34 | Aelobin | idd the +parry is nice, but still it was an upgrade |
| 22:11.28 | tem | But no, really |
| 22:11.35 | tem | you shouldn't be using a polearm on a DK |
| 22:11.45 | tem | there are plenty of good weapons available at that gear level |
| 22:11.51 | tem | leave the polearms to the ferals and hunters |
| 22:12.04 | Aelobin | lol i can't choose what drops from bosses |
| 22:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | titansteel destroyer? |
| 22:12.21 | Aelobin | this week that dropped, why wouldnt i take it if noone else needed it more? |
| 22:12.50 | Aelobin | i had titansteel up until a week or so ago, bad luck with weapons and rolls :< |
| 22:14.11 | tem | And you should keep the TSD until you get something better with strength on it |
| 22:14.29 | tem | Edge of ruin is decent for blood |
| 22:14.52 | tem | (it's pretty blarg if you aren't blood, though) |
| 22:14.52 | tem | the new OEB, however, is damn near perfect for DK tanking |
| 22:14.52 | Aelobin | stam loss and no expertise, yeh gg |
| 22:15.00 | Aelobin | that polearm has higher max weapon dmg anyway |
| 22:15.08 | Aelobin | idd i agree |
| 22:15.15 | Aelobin | but no guarentee i'll ever see it drop or win it ^^ |
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| 22:15.45 | tem | Spec Suggestions: drop runic power mastery, spell deflection and unholy command |
| 22:16.04 | Aelobin | i respecced recently to try things for personal preference |
| 22:16.20 | Aelobin | i play my character, not someone elses thanks :) |
| 22:16.24 | tem | Dark Conviction and Bloody Vengeance aren't personally preference |
| 22:16.33 | tem | they are mandatory talents if you expect to do proper threat |
| 22:17.20 | Aelobin | lol i can't believe you care about my character's well-being so much ^^ |
| 22:17.30 | Aelobin | but yeh, i'll try things out for myself |
| 22:17.43 | Aelobin | i guess i should still thank you for your advice even though it won't be used this time :) |
| 22:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Put it this way |
| 22:17.54 | tem | I can't stand to see DKs doing it wrong |
| 22:18.00 | tem | because it makes the rest of us look bad |
| 22:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem was nice about it, chances are that someone else won't be ;) |
| 22:18.14 | tem | I wasn't that nice, ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a vim plugin that shows open buffers in a window? >.> |
| 22:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | comparitively? |
| 22:18.23 | tem | in fact I was kind of a douchebag |
| 22:18.33 | tem | but I still can't stand to see Dumb Knights running around |
| 22:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | tem: still arguably nicer than i might have been ;) |
| 22:19.07 | Aelobin | to me it doesn't matter how nice/douchebag someone giving advice is if i don't really want the advice in the first place :) |
| 22:19.15 | Aelobin | i play my character, experiment with talents as i play |
| 22:19.19 | Aelobin | it's what i pay my subscription for |
| 22:19.57 | tem | I don't understand that mentality at all |
| 22:20.05 | tem | there's not a grey area here |
| 22:20.08 | tem | your spec is wrong |
| 22:20.43 | Aelobin | wrong? depends on the player but i guess that's just my opinion |
| 22:21.17 | Aelobin | i'd rather enjoy playing and figuring out what i like and works best for my playstyle than following a spec 100% from some other person |
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| 22:21.28 | Aelobin | again, just the way i roll |
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| 22:43.27 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 22:43.28 | Antiarc | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw26494.jpg |
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| 22:50.44 | d3MMoNuL | nice UI |
| 22:50.53 | d3MMoNuL | but still people dont do 1024x768 anymore :| |
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| 22:57.59 | Mikk | yeah i don't get that "i try it my way" stuff either |
| 22:58.08 | Mikk | it's the kind of thing that leads to melee hunters |
| 22:59.35 | Mikk | "i tank with low threat because that's my playstyle" ooo kay =) |
| 22:59.55 | Torhal | "I faceroll cuz its coo!" |
| 23:00.51 | Mikk | reroll pallydork, faceroll, win |
| 23:00.59 | Mikk | literally :P |
| 23:01.15 | Antiarc | It's fine if people want to experiment outside of the norm, but they shouldn't expect a slot in my runs while they're doing it :P |
| 23:01.31 | Mikk | quite |
| 23:02.36 | Mikk | -> bed |
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| 23:22.23 | kdtresh | but if you still win and get your loot with minimal wiping, does it really matter? |
| 23:24.41 | NeoTron | Antiarc: diddn't you quit? :P |
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| 23:25.53 | NeoTron | raiding I mean |
| 23:26.32 | Antiarc | Heh, no, I still raid |
| 23:26.44 | Antiarc | It's pretty much all I do in WoW these days, maybe 10 games of arena a week |
| 23:26.47 | Antiarc | The rest of the time I work :P |
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| 23:50.40 | NeoTron | so to follow up on the bull rocket art, here's another piece by the same artist. http://www.shcontemporary.info/images/sh2008/bod2008/China/ChenWenling.jpg |
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