| 00:00.00 | NeoTron | I've killed him at level 40 a few times (with like 5 people, most being in the level 15-20 range, sidekicking to 40) |
| 00:00.01 | Dagmar | Yeah I was buzzing around him at level 16 dropping bots on him and backing up when he'd start his red lightning |
| 00:00.23 | NeoTron | I like how when he goes under 25% or so he goes berserk |
| 00:00.37 | NeoTron | he's also extremely nasty if you happen to be melee |
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| 00:00.52 | Dagmar | We got him down by one bar. None of us were over 20. |
| 00:00.58 | NeoTron | I'd say for a level 28, he's a bit op |
| 00:01.07 | NeoTron | if I missed a block, I'd die |
| 00:01.44 | NeoTron | if I wasn't near full health before at least. and my healing bots, useless as they are, died every time he did an aoe around me |
| 00:02.15 | NeoTron | but I duod it with a level 25ish or so that sidekicked up. if I happened to get knocked back too far (primary chargeup attack), he'd swap aggro and own the guy |
| 00:02.37 | NeoTron | Dagmar: have you gotten to Lemuria yet? |
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| 00:17.05 | Dagmar | I've only been to the desert, Canada, and Millenium city so far |
| 00:17.17 | NeoTron | Lemuria is, well, under water |
| 00:17.21 | NeoTron | the whole zone |
| 00:17.39 | Wobin | http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=427087677 |
| 00:17.56 | Dagmar | That much I know |
| 00:18.05 | Wobin | My god, it's like a bus carrying the Wiggles crashed into a semi carrying the props for the Rainbow Brite live action flick =P |
| 00:18.14 | Dagmar | I've done one underwater mission, and I expected to drown in moments. |
| 00:18.16 | NeoTron | it's.. interesting |
| 00:18.24 | Dagmar | I don't remember much, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Lemuira |
| 00:18.29 | Dagmar | I just hope my orbital cannon works there |
| 00:18.37 | NeoTron | you don't realize how any world in a typical mmorpg is mostly 2D |
| 00:18.42 | Amarande | Wobin: Occam's Razor would make acid a more likely explanation, heh |
| 00:18.48 | NeoTron | and how much harder it is to find <X> when you ahve a full third dimension |
| 00:18.59 | Dagmar | Oh i do |
| 00:19.07 | Amarande | Or maybe someone's been hitting the [Kungaloosh] a bit too hard :D |
| 00:19.09 | Wobin | Amarande: Perhaps the drivers were on it |
| 00:19.10 | Dagmar | I despised some of the underground areas in EQ because of that |
| 00:20.21 | NeoTron | it's all open though |
| 00:20.24 | NeoTron | or for the most part |
| 00:20.34 | NeoTron | not like it's a multi level dungeon experience I mean |
| 00:21.06 | Dagmar | That'll probably make it easier |
| 00:21.15 | NeoTron | best trick ever there: /target <unique mob you need to kill> ; /follow |
| 00:21.18 | Dagmar | It's the 3D rat warrens I can't stand |
| 00:21.32 | NeoTron | easier - not so sure. It's a lot more space |
| 00:21.45 | Dagmar | Better trick: /target <unique mob>; click pet attack. |
| 00:21.47 | NeoTron | ability to /target and /follow a mob makes that kind of quest easier |
| 00:21.51 | Dagmar | Follow pets. |
| 00:21.55 | Dagmar | Collect loot. |
| 00:22.10 | NeoTron | not better. It 1) requires pets, 2) see 1! |
| 00:22.19 | Dagmar | I have plenty. |
| 00:22.19 | NeoTron | pet AI is so horribly bad right now |
| 00:22.24 | NeoTron | for perma-pets |
| 00:22.27 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 00:22.53 | Dagmar | They'll get stuck on bottle caps in the asphalt, and frequently develop an extreme hatred for crates in the middle of fights |
| 00:23.09 | NeoTron | I had my gun bots out, standing next to a 1 foot high wall in a parking lot. I walk out of the parking lot and stand on the other side of said walls fighting some mobs |
| 00:23.14 | NeoTron | and the pets couldn't get to me and help me |
| 00:23.26 | NeoTron | it was like 2 feet away, total travel distance around 10 feet |
| 00:23.43 | NeoTron | although the crate hate seems to actually be resolved |
| 00:24.26 | Dagmar | I was really hoping for a motorcycle to ride around in, but I'll take rocket boots. |
| 00:24.35 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 00:24.35 | Wobin | http://cheeseorfont.mogrify.org/ |
| 00:24.47 | Wobin | CHEESE OR FONT? |
| 00:25.48 | Dagmar | Where's the button for "Crappy Beer"? |
| 00:25.53 | Dagmar | Newcastle just came up |
| 00:31.31 | Amarande | heh, locating unique mobs is about the only thing I've ever used the WoW macro system for |
| 00:31.40 | Amarande | usually things like Ursius |
| 00:31.42 | Wobin | eh |
| 00:31.46 | Wobin | _npcscan is better |
| 00:31.52 | Amarande | like, damn you Ursius, why do you have to look just like every other blasted bear in the area :P |
| 00:31.58 | Wobin | except in that case |
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| 00:42.04 | NeoTron | Amarande: what makes it more useful in CO is that you also can /follow |
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| 00:43.23 | Wobin | ". as i stood on my giant lacy box, painted white in full bridal gown and veil, standing stock still, he had rigged a set of pulleys that attached to the ceiling and was bobbing two objects on either side of me, so it looked like i was juggling them. one object was a giant box, about one cubic foot, made entirely of wooden rat traps. |
| 00:43.23 | Wobin | the other object was a giant cow thigh bone. it looked lovely. " |
| 00:43.31 | Wobin | AFP is flat out awesome =P |
| 00:44.17 | sag_ich_nicht | apparently, in america, pi=3.3 |
| 00:44.45 | Wobin | ? |
| 00:47.00 | sag_ich_nicht | well I see no other way how d=2.25 equal C=7.5 |
| 00:47.22 | sag_ich_nicht | *equals |
| 00:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: pi must be 3.3 in america |
| 00:47.55 | sag_ich_nicht | since this datasheet is clearly flawless |
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| 00:48.30 | Dagmar | Bullshit. |
| 00:48.34 | Dagmar | Pi is exactly three. |
| 00:48.37 | Dagmar | Everyone knows that. |
| 00:48.59 | Dagmar | the EU standardized the metric system, and we standardized pi. |
| 00:49.09 | Dagmar | It's only fair. |
| 00:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | Pi is only blueberry, everyone knows that. |
| 00:49.49 | sag_ich_nicht | well, clearly it's not |
| 00:52.12 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:52.14 | Shirik | sooooo not cool |
| 00:52.22 | Shirik | to put "root" and "POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT" right next to each other |
| 00:52.33 | Shirik | 64-95-223-71.ipdatatel.com [64.95.223.71] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 00:52.33 | Shirik | Sep 11 20:50:23 localhost sshd[29923]: Invalid user gary from 64.95.223.71 |
| 00:52.34 | Shirik | Sep 11 20:50:24 localhost postfix/pickup[19213]: 1B05A16C428: uid=0 from=<root@heresiarchguild.com> |
| 00:52.38 | Shirik | At first I thought those messages were related |
| 00:53.10 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 00:53.29 | Dagmar | The first one is because someone is a full-time moron, but part-time DNS admin. |
| 00:53.48 | Shirik | well actually, it was a break-in attempt |
| 00:53.55 | Shirik | just the third message had nothing to do with him getting root |
| 00:54.03 | Dagmar | He didn't get root. |
| 00:54.05 | Shirik | and all to do with a message from fail2ban saying "hey I banned this guy fyi" |
| 00:54.24 | Shirik | took me a second to realize that |
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| 00:57.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:58.00 | Shirik | li23-154 mpdelbuono # grep WARNING /var/log/fail2ban.log | grep Ban | wc -l |
| 00:58.00 | Shirik | 1797 |
| 00:58.05 | Shirik | that's crazy |
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| 00:59.08 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: thats what happens when you leave sshd running on the default port |
| 01:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | They try to sneak in everywhere, like packrats |
| 01:03.04 | Amarande | wow, I don't think I've seen a drop rate be that panned before |
| 01:03.19 | Amarande | on wowhead, relating to a quest in northrend, someone's snide advice: "SWIM to Orgrimmar and buy it off the AH" LOL |
| 01:03.20 | Shirik | I especially like that I'm still getting this trigger hit: |
| 01:03.22 | Shirik | 2009-09-11 14:02:49,669 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [apache-hacks] Ban 209.61.244.6 |
| 01:04.18 | Shirik | and all that is is |
| 01:04.19 | Shirik | failregex = [[]client (?P<host>\S*)[]] client denied by server configuration: /var/www/.*/htdocs/includes/dbal\.php |
| 01:04.29 | Shirik | some stupid EQDkp vulnerability that's like |
| 01:04.32 | Shirik | 3 years old |
| 01:04.39 | Amarande | you ... use DKP? :| |
| 01:04.44 | Shirik | youp |
| 01:04.47 | Shirik | well, a modified DKP |
| 01:06.43 | Amarande | this enchanted earth quest is somewhat scary |
| 01:06.50 | Amarande | all these nodes tucked into a super sheer cliff |
| 01:07.08 | Amarande | sometimes it's hard to tell when you land to mine one whether you're going to get it or whether you're going to fall to your DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ........... |
| 01:08.31 | Amarande | actually, a good bit of stormpeaks is like that. :) |
| 01:09.45 | Amarande | sometimes I wonder why they don't have avalanches, too |
| 01:10.03 | Amarande | of course, I suppose if they implemented that, we'd never be able to quest there because some stupid noob would fly their drake into a mountain and bury half the zone :P |
| 01:10.11 | Amarande | and then we'd have to wait till tuesday to quest again, probably heh |
| 01:12.01 | Dagmar | No. |
| 01:12.26 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure goblins would show up to offer us money to dig up the belongings of the recently buried and make the place habitable again. |
| 01:12.36 | Dagmar | ...cuz that's how goblins roll. |
| 01:12.46 | Amarande | hm |
| 01:12.52 | Amarande | there are goblins at K3, come to think of it, aren't there |
| 01:12.57 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 01:13.05 | Dagmar | I strongly suspect that's how they got there. |
| 01:13.25 | Dagmar | If the place didn't look like Winterspring I'd be _highly_ suspicious of their presence. |
| 01:13.34 | Amarande | hey, when did questguru get this feature? |
| 01:13.45 | Amarande | I've started to realize I'm wasting my time dragging quest items into a button slot now |
| 01:13.54 | Dagmar | It's not QuestGuru. |
| 01:13.56 | Amarande | since QG seems to keep providing buttons on the tracker ... |
| 01:14.00 | Dagmar | It's the built in quest tracker |
| 01:14.19 | Amarande | ah, QG is able to pull that feature from the builtin, then |
| 01:14.31 | Amarande | that probably also explains why it actually works, since action buttons are usually protected heh |
| 01:14.33 | Dagmar | ...or it's the built in quest tracker. |
| 01:14.46 | Amarande | well, I am most certainly using QG's quest tracker, sooo ... |
| 01:15.50 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/lookin_bad_bluetooth_ringphone.php |
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| 01:20.45 | mikma | http://weblogs.variety.com/bfdealmemo/2009/09/ritchie-locked-for-lobo.html |
| 01:20.47 | mikma | hah |
| 01:21.21 | Shirik | [2. Trade] [Lanternath] PST FOR THE HORDE 80 only! till it fills up |
| 01:21.35 | Shirik | [Lanternath] Level 75 Blood Elf Paladin - Orgrimmar |
| 01:21.42 | Shirik | 1 player total |
| 01:22.45 | Dagmar | mikma: Almost a shame they can't steal Claudia from Warehouse 13 for that. She's just a bit too old. |
| 01:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | But hot. |
| 01:34.47 | Dagmar | Oh lord yes absolutely |
| 01:34.55 | Dagmar | She was on House previously |
| 01:35.13 | Dagmar | Her appearance made the situation her character was in unconvincing. |
| 01:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | Really? I watch some House, but not a lot. I sort of pick up the less great aspects of his personality. |
| 01:35.46 | Dagmar | Specifically, she was supposed to be a male who'd been getting hormone treatments to be made female after a tragic bris accident (can't make this up) |
| 01:36.08 | Dagmar | You could buy into it from the acting were it not for the fact that she was clearly going to turn into AN INCREDIBLY HOT CHICK. |
| 01:36.09 | Bruners | what is the keybinding for badboy ? |
| 01:37.04 | Lopeppeppy | That's a pretty tragic accident. |
| 01:49.42 | mikma | bruners: there is no keybind |
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| 01:59.18 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=smbc&i=777 |
| 02:04.52 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/itemsets.png |
| 02:07.27 | Dagmar | Right. |
| 02:07.37 | Dagmar | Pardon me while I sent obscenity-laced emails to the devs |
| 02:08.14 | Dagmar | I don't think it was necessary to chop almost half the time on Bestial Wrath |
| 02:08.36 | Adys | I think it's necessary to delete bestial wrath from the game |
| 02:08.40 | Adys | see how our POVs differ? |
| 02:08.50 | sag_ich_nicht | all I see is BAW |
| 02:09.19 | sag_ich_nicht | you should instead be bawing about hunters changing resources in Cataclysm |
| 02:09.19 | Dagmar | "In addition, hunters with this talent will do 10% additional damage at all times." <-- this makes up for it, I guess |
| 02:09.19 | sag_ich_nicht | ^ |
| 02:09.35 | Dagmar | I'm not keen on seeing them do anything like nerfing the spec that's getting the short end of the stick as it is |
| 02:09.43 | Adys | yeah hunters need 10% more dmg |
| 02:09.54 | Dagmar | sag_ich_nicht: about that I have no opinion as a) none of the details are finished up, and b) even fewer details have been published. |
| 02:10.02 | Dagmar | Adys: Only BM hunters |
| 02:10.17 | Adys | my point |
| 02:10.19 | Dagmar | When I can change specs but not gear and watch my DPS go up by as much as it does (speccing to survival) something is broken |
| 02:11.56 | Dagmar | They shouold probably put the sentence about the 10% damage upgrade _before_ the nerf |
| 02:12.14 | Adys | they shouldnt put it anywhere |
| 02:13.24 | Lopeppeppy | Is all of this speculation about the expansion, or is it in an upcoming earlier patch? |
| 02:13.33 | Dagmar | Oh so the spec that's already about 17% shafted should get even more nerfs? |
| 02:13.44 | Dagmar | That doesn't make any sense, man. |
| 02:13.54 | Lopeppeppy | Play a holy paladin next, you'll be used to the shaft. |
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| 02:23.40 | Amarande | wow, level 80 quests will remain green at top level until probably *three* expansions from now |
| 02:23.46 | Amarande | at least if wowhead's difficulty estimates hold |
| 02:23.58 | Adys | wowhead's difficulty sucks ass |
| 02:24.03 | Amarande | "gray: 94" |
| 02:24.08 | Adys | yes |
| 02:24.18 | Adys | dbc values are messed up for levels above cap |
| 02:24.32 | Adys | be it quest levels, experience gains etc |
| 02:25.04 | Adys | they change every expansion dont look at them |
| 02:25.06 | Adys | afk sleep |
| 02:26.27 | Dagmar | That nerf amounts to only a 6.6216% DPS boost. |
| 02:26.30 | Dagmar | Weak. |
| 02:26.47 | Dagmar | I'll take it tho'. |
| 02:27.30 | Dagmar | Bleh await... stupid calculator |
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| 02:31.42 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/national/baby-gaga-a-hit-in-clubs-20090911-fksr.html |
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| 02:32.22 | Dagmar | 7.39644% DPS gain if you have the Glyph of Bestial Wrath, 7.67195% DPG gain if you don't. |
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| 02:45.55 | Dagmar | I woudln't normally complain about something like this is the "10%" figure didn't seem to have simply been pulled out of a hat |
| 02:46.31 | Dagmar | Nerfing the length of that ability by almost half doesn't seem like a decent tradeoff for that disparity |
| 02:47.45 | Lopeppeppy | the disparity is in your POV, not necessarily that of game designers. *shrug* And I don't think you said, is this speculated for the expansion, or slated for a more timely patch upcoming? |
| 02:48.05 | Dagmar | If by "your POV" you mean spreadsheets |
| 02:48.15 | Dagmar | It's on the PTR. |
| 02:48.45 | Dagmar | BMs have enough trouble keeping the pets alive, because they take a much bigger hit to overall output if that pet dies |
| 02:50.54 | Dagmar | I think they picked the wrong thing to nerf in exchange, and I question whether that boost _required_ a nerf to "offset it" in the first place |
| 02:52.08 | Dagmar | ...and I'm not even looking at Shandaras' spreadsheet. The gear used in that skews things even worse, since they're calculating on BiS that maybe 20 people (if that) have |
| 02:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Spreadsheet rants don't thrill me, because they don't take into account "game design decisions" versus "what players want to be true". |
| 02:57.00 | Dagmar | When I dual specced on the PTR before the tourney I was a little peeved that I could just spec to SV and basically use the same everything as before and DPS shot up almost 18% |
| 02:57.12 | Dagmar | That was in the first round. |
| 02:57.22 | Dagmar | It's a bit less than that overall but it's still irksome |
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| 03:20.53 | Arrowmaster | Ackis lives in the slums, i have proof |
| 03:21.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh? |
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| 03:22.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:22.36 | Arrowmaster | http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=CanadaAckis |
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| 03:22.56 | Arrowmaster | "Living as an orphan in the Bowerstone slums." |
| 03:24.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, there. |
| 03:28.43 | Legorol | gnight peeps and peeplettes |
| 03:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Peppylettes. *snort* |
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| 05:10.12 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 05:10.28 | Amarande | are there any addons that can specifically suppress the "I can't carry any more" messages when a warlock attempts to drain a 33rd soul shard? |
| 05:10.37 | Amarande | I get that a *lot* now that I'm aff. |
| 05:10.46 | Codayus | ErrorMonster I think |
| 05:11.14 | Codayus | Oh Hey, working on FL+4, and the entire instance reset. Trash is back, shield is up, vehicles are in the start...wtf... |
| 05:11.59 | Corrodias | in 2.4, there were a few soul shard management addons |
| 05:12.23 | Codayus | I used AKSShardMax when I was on my warlock last, I think it works still |
| 05:12.32 | Codayus | Deletes shards after a set limit transparently, really nice. |
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| 05:20.52 | Gnarfoz | weren't shards made Unique(32)? |
| 05:28.00 | Codayus | Could be. As with Corrodias, my experience dates to 2.4 or so. :) |
| 05:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | okay so, any grub geniuses out there who knows how to specify a new entry for windows, which exists entirely on its own drive? |
| 05:32.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/125066 |
| 05:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | is what I currently have for that boot entry |
| 05:35.07 | batrick | I hate graphics |
| 05:35.13 | batrick | why am I taking this class |
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| 05:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | SHIRIK |
| 05:36.43 | Shirik | no |
| 05:36.50 | Corrodias | i don't know much about using grub, sorry |
| 05:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | FIX IT |
| 05:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 05:37.08 | Shirik | fix what |
| 05:37.09 | Corrodias | i remember when a botched defragment fucked up my grub graphical bootloader, and i had to look up the text commands to load windows |
| 05:37.09 | Shirik | oh btw |
| 05:37.15 | Shirik | Grub2 will use Lua |
| 05:37.19 | Shirik | == win |
| 05:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | CreateProcess 14001 errors! |
| 05:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | WE ARE STILL GETTING BUG REPORTS FOR IT |
| 05:37.28 | batrick | no shit really? |
| 05:37.30 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:37.49 | batrick | looks like GNU isn't using their own stuff |
| 05:37.58 | batrick | they got some massively shitty scripting language for embedding |
| 05:38.08 | batrick | can't remember its name |
| 05:38.15 | batrick | Guile? |
| 05:38.16 | batrick | !g guile |
| 05:38.17 | batbot | batrick: guile - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/guile> |
| 05:38.25 | batrick | !g guile GNU |
| 05:38.25 | batbot | batrick: Guile (News) <http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/> |
| 05:38.34 | batrick | ya that |
| 05:38.45 | Shirik | GNU needs to stop reinventing the wheel |
| 05:40.32 | Shirik | However |
| 05:40.36 | Shirik | GNU consistently calls it LUA |
| 05:40.39 | Shirik | so someone needs to shoot them |
| 05:41.42 | batrick | from the wiki |
| 05:41.48 | batrick | it doesn't look like they use it for anything |
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| 05:42.01 | batrick | but I have to assume they added it for a good reason that has not yet been revealed |
| 05:42.04 | Shirik | my understanding is they're trying to deprecate config files |
| 05:43.57 | batrick | fucking hate |
| 05:43.59 | batrick | graphics |
| 05:44.03 | batrick | shirik halp |
| 05:44.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:44.21 | Shirik | use OpenGL |
| 05:44.23 | batrick | OpenGL. |
| 05:44.29 | Shirik | automatic win |
| 05:44.38 | batrick | do you enjoy doing graphics? |
| 05:44.39 | batrick | cuz i dont |
| 05:45.00 | Shirik | not really |
| 05:45.07 | Shirik | matrix maths are win though |
| 05:45.25 | Shirik | Can anyone else not retrieve the realm list right now? |
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| 06:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't copy that floppy |
| 06:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | -TWO- |
| 06:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUCyvw4w_yk&fmt=22 |
| 06:42.48 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:42.51 | Shirik | do you know what CVE is? |
| 06:42.55 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 06:43.00 | Shirik | how the hell do I get a number? |
| 06:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | er, report it? |
| 06:43.25 | Shirik | There should be a way to get the number prior to the initial report though |
| 06:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://cve.mitre.org/cve/obtain_id.html |
| 06:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | you know |
| 06:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | from the menu |
| 06:43.40 | Shirik | yes I contacted cve@mitre.org |
| 06:43.43 | Shirik | and they ignored me |
| 06:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | you sure they ignored you? |
| 06:44.04 | Shirik | well that or they're really slow at responding :P |
| 06:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious what product you're reporting! |
| 06:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | also |
| 06:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | go fix the 14001 errors |
| 06:50.55 | industrial | I need some help with actionbutton code; https://gist.github.com/a927e5a63c13566b5a23 when I exit a vehicle (ex a jumpbot in Ymirheim) my keybindings are messed up and my petbar is bound to 1-10 instead of my normal actionbar. |
| 06:58.07 | industrial | thats the only thing setting me back from releasing it as a working addon :( it just the first 12 actionbuttons being rebound probably because I ripped them off the ActionBar frame and put them in my own |
| 06:58.37 | industrial | (and actually being able to use it myself ofc :p |
| 07:05.22 | batrick | There is a special level of Hell reserved for sick roommates who contaminate the entire apartment (especially the kitchen) |
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| 07:10.56 | industrial | I dont wanna post my question on a forum :(( </3 forums |
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| 07:18.43 | Amarande | heh, one big advantage to not raiding much if at all |
| 07:18.50 | Amarande | not raiding means never having to admit on wowhead "Same thing happened to me ... then I remembered I was in a raid group." |
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| 07:23.41 | Shirik | lol batrick |
| 07:27.07 | Shirik | what the hell is Adult Swim doing to The Office |
| 07:29.44 | industrial | wat? |
| 07:29.59 | Dagmar | Let me guess... |
| 07:30.20 | Dagmar | "Bending it gently over the cheap ikea table and showin' it a little love"? |
| 07:31.11 | industrial | haha |
| 07:31.23 | Shirik | They're making some kind of british version of the office |
| 07:31.27 | Shirik | and it looks absolutely horrible |
| 07:31.31 | Shirik | Why has Adult Swim become shit? |
| 07:31.37 | Shirik | It was my favorite show in HS |
| 07:31.41 | Shirik | and then they wrecked it |
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| 07:36.25 | widgertick | sneaks in |
| 07:36.53 | Amarande | Shirik: well, it's done its good for the world, now we get spoofs of their old Q&A bits on Dragon*Con TV during Con :D |
| 07:37.28 | Shirik | tackles widgertick |
| 07:37.42 | widgertick | uses escape artist! |
| 07:37.47 | pseup` | FYI the UK version is the original Office, they arent making it, just playing it for US audience |
| 07:37.51 | widgertick | is old school. |
| 07:37.59 | Iriel | Mr tick! |
| 07:38.06 | widgertick | Heya Iriel! |
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| 07:47.08 | Shirik | pseup`: Still |
| 07:47.12 | Shirik | why is cartoon network playing that |
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| 07:47.19 | Shirik | Why has cartoon network gone to hell |
| 07:50.07 | Iriel | Totally random but.. cool pictures: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/the_sayanoshushenskaya_dam_acc.html |
| 07:50.14 | Iriel | And now.. sleep calls. |
| 07:53.24 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: because it's TV? |
| 07:53.35 | Shirik | so |
| 07:53.38 | Shirik | TV is good |
| 08:00.27 | Gnarfoz | ...no? |
| 08:00.28 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 08:00.53 | Gnarfoz | also, I seem to have killed my sound card :< |
| 08:01.18 | Gnarfoz | here's hoping a restart will fix it |
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| 08:41.18 | Gnarfoz | great, seems it's fried ;| |
| 08:50.44 | zenzelezz | how did you fry a sound card? |
| 09:00.05 | Amarande | heh, truth be told, a sound card is actually among the computer components I've managed to break |
| 09:00.15 | Amarande | well actually I didn't break its ability to play sound |
| 09:00.24 | Amarande | but I did once break a mic jack and have to replace the card to speak again |
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| 09:01.28 | Helchor | Anybody got time to answer a question? |
| 09:03.08 | Cairenn | ask - if someone is here that can answer, they will |
| 09:03.15 | Cairenn | :) |
| 09:04.54 | Amarande | say, Cairenn ... did you get around to buying Naamah's Kiss yet? :) |
| 09:05.36 | Cairenn | that was the 3rd in the second trilogy, yes? |
| 09:05.53 | Cairenn | errr, 2nd? |
| 09:05.56 | Cairenn | gah |
| 09:05.57 | Wobin | holy crap @ the dam photos =( |
| 09:06.04 | Cairenn | Wobin: ? |
| 09:06.10 | Wobin | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/the_sayanoshushenskaya_dam_acc.html |
| 09:06.27 | Amarande | no ... Naamah's Kiss is the 7th book |
| 09:06.44 | Cairenn | Amarande: oh, don't think so then |
| 09:06.46 | Amarande | 2nd in the 2nd trilogy was Kushiel's Justice |
| 09:07.19 | Amarande | And I still need to remember to go see an optometrist sometime between now and next Dragon Con so I can actually *do* the Shahrizai costume this time :P |
| 09:07.27 | Amarande | This year I never got around to important things like that and thus couldn't do it |
| 09:07.37 | Wobin | Amarande: need contacts? =) |
| 09:07.43 | Amarande | Wobin: um, yeah. |
| 09:07.52 | Amarande | even if I dye my hair midnight black and get the black and gold brocade robe |
| 09:08.00 | Amarande | the greenish-gray eyes will fail it, heh |
| 09:08.42 | Wobin | will try a rogue |
| 09:08.44 | Wobin | on DDO |
| 09:09.06 | Cairenn | Amarande: ditto |
| 09:09.17 | Cairenn | the green isn't a problem, but gray is |
| 09:10.31 | Amarande | of course, DragonCon also cost me a good bit more this year than usual, too |
| 09:12.53 | Amarande | Anyways, the sky is probably going to start glowing soon |
| 09:13.00 | Amarande | I probably should get some sleep ... Night :) |
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| 11:53.48 | Dagmar | Hmmm... 3 costumes at 17. No idea why tho'. |
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| 12:39.12 | Vilkku | anyone have any idea what the Clam shucker module does in tekkub's Cork? |
| 12:42.43 | Vilkku | nevermind, think I figured it out by checking the code |
| 12:47.24 | mikma | it.. opens clams |
| 12:55.08 | Codayus | Sometimes the obvious explanation is correct. |
| 12:55.09 | Codayus | :) |
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| 13:27.05 | p3lim | how the hell can the following be a boolean? |
| 13:27.05 | p3lim | mod(258603, COPPER_PER_SILVER) |
| 13:27.48 | p3lim | (258603 % COPPER_PER_SILVER) returns as boolean aswell :s |
| 13:32.57 | Legorol | lua> type(258603 % 100) |
| 13:32.57 | lua_bot | Legorol: number |
| 13:33.08 | Legorol | lua> type(258603 % "100") |
| 13:33.08 | lua_bot | Legorol: number |
| 13:37.56 | Pneumatus | lua> type("12345" % "100") |
| 13:37.57 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: number |
| 13:38.44 | Pneumatus | *shrug |
| 13:49.09 | industrial | lua> 'a' % 'b' |
| 13:49.09 | lua_bot | industrial: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value |
| 13:49.15 | industrial | lua> 4 % 'b' |
| 13:49.15 | lua_bot | industrial: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value |
| 13:50.17 | Fisker | kisses Pneumatus |
| 13:53.21 | Xinhuan | lua> math.mod(258603, 100) |
| 13:53.22 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 3 |
| 13:53.46 | Xinhuan | whats up |
| 13:56.19 | p3lim | atleast i get an error to format (string expected, got boolean) |
| 14:01.01 | p3lim | ill try printing types |
| 14:01.41 | p3lim | this happens on a few specific items in my inventory, yet type returns number |
| 14:01.47 | p3lim | still, format error |
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| 14:33.27 | msoul | Anyone knows why my UI doesn't appear in my recordings? |
| 14:33.37 | Iriel | You checked the option to tell it not to? |
| 14:33.47 | msoul | No |
| 14:34.00 | msoul | All I did is to set keybinding to "ö" |
| 14:34.20 | msoul | let me check.... |
| 14:36.36 | msoul | is it under "interface" ? |
| 14:40.24 | msoul | coudln't find it |
| 14:40.59 | Iriel | I thought it was on the video recording options panel |
| 14:42.06 | msoul | mark "Use UI Scale" ? |
| 14:43.06 | msoul | nothing undr video related to ui.... |
| 14:43.08 | msoul | weird |
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| 14:47.44 | Sesshu| | lua> 1+1 |
| 14:47.44 | lua_bot | Sesshu|: 2 |
| 14:52.35 | msoul | Iriel: found it... had to hit "'" key to record ui |
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| 15:15.10 | Wobin | now that I've spent money on DDO to play a class I more relate to, I'm kinda liking it |
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| 15:59.48 | widgertick | wants muffins now... |
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| 16:07.58 | jnwhiteh | widgertick: ohai :P |
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| 16:46.29 | Lopeppeppy | There once was a man from Nantucket... |
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| 17:08.30 | Wobin | holycrap it's 3am |
| 17:08.33 | Wobin | bedtime |
| 17:13.51 | amro | is there something like getglobal/_G in javascript? |
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| 17:19.10 | augustl | Yo! Are there any unit testing frameworks around? |
| 17:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | for wow addon dev? not really |
| 17:20.30 | augustl | there are probably some for lua, though? |
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| 17:21.55 | augustl | also, been trying to find mocking/stubbing libs for Lua. Are there any? |
| 17:22.00 | Codayus | Sure, lots. List here: http://lua-users.org/wiki/UnitTesting |
| 17:22.18 | Codayus | (That was in response to your earlier question, obviously.) |
| 17:22.23 | augustl | :) |
| 17:23.38 | industrial | sigh, the more time I spend behind my laptop (osx) the more I'd want it to be my only pc :( |
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| 17:23.52 | industrial | alas, my desktop's graphics card is actually able to play wow nicely. |
| 17:24.12 | industrial | (which is by now old again anyway) |
| 17:24.30 | industrial | wonder if I can buy a new graphics card for a mac |
| 17:24.32 | augustl | I seem to recall there being a wow environment project, so that you could test your addon code outside of WoW itself. That project got abandoned, though, right? |
| 17:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 17:24.40 | industrial | yes |
| 17:24.51 | amro | ~lart Mikk |
| 17:24.51 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u Mikk' |
| 17:25.02 | industrial | ^^ |
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| 17:31.43 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: what happened to him? |
| 17:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | He was sitting in my kitty's spot on the couch, and she killed him. |
| 17:32.55 | zenzelezz | now that makes it a bit more interesting |
| 17:33.05 | zenzelezz | don't think I've ever heard the story past that first sentence |
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| 17:34.08 | Lopeppeppy | It's usually a dirty limerick, zenzelezz. But Moose was hungry, not playful. |
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| 17:40.09 | zenzelezz | it's a limmerick? I always thought it was some kind of normal story |
| 17:40.36 | zenzelezz | "Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev, has decreed a new holiday for his country: Programmer's Day. Appropriately enough, it will be celebrated on the 256th day of the year" |
| 17:41.34 | Lopeppeppy | Things like this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecherous_Limericks |
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| 17:56.10 | augustl | is there a way to completely disable the default chat interface so that it doesn't consume any CPU time at all? |
| 17:56.35 | augustl | I guess all I have to do is to find the frames and unregister all the events? |
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| 17:59.15 | Iriel | If you're that certain you need it to be inactive, yes, but other things may stop working. |
| 18:00.21 | Mikk | completely disabling the normal chat interface will have other, undesirable effects |
| 18:00.34 | Mikk | read ChatFrame.lua |
| 18:02.26 | augustl | I guess I could take a look at other chat replacement addons. I have a feeling that their codebases are pretty huge, though |
| 18:02.35 | augustl | ChatFrame.lua, will do |
| 18:04.03 | Mikk | fwiw, very few chat replacement addons actually nuke the standard frames |
| 18:04.12 | Mikk | there's just way too many addons doing things like ChatFrame1:AddMessage() |
| 18:04.31 | Mikk | and addons hooking that |
| 18:04.57 | augustl | how do they generally do it? Hiding the default chat and leaving it as it is? |
| 18:04.57 | Mikk | and addons hooking various global chat related functions |
| 18:05.05 | Mikk | no |
| 18:05.11 | Mikk | they take the normal frames and style them |
| 18:06.06 | augustl | I see |
| 18:08.44 | augustl | another thing. I'll be creating some windows and such, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel. I'd like to have resizing and such. AceSomething has that, I presume? Are there alternatives to AceSomething? |
| 18:11.52 | Mikk | AceSomething doesn't really have that |
| 18:12.29 | Mikk | Well the base AceGUI "Frame" has it, but you probably don't want to use that if you don't plan on sticking acegui widgets in it |
| 18:12.33 | augustl | hmm, I thought I saw a few different ace based addons where both had a similar window resizing feature in their configs |
| 18:12.43 | Mikk | yeah they use acegui |
| 18:13.04 | augustl | I see. AceGUI is probably a table => GUI kind of thing, I guess? No handcoding etc? |
| 18:13.09 | Mikk | correct |
| 18:13.14 | Mikk | well... no |
| 18:13.18 | Mikk | not entirely correct |
| 18:13.36 | Mikk | AceConfigDialog uses AceGUI to create a frame from a table |
| 18:13.43 | Mikk | but you can also interact with AceGUI directly |
| 18:13.51 | augustl | ah |
| 18:13.53 | Mikk | BUT it's still geared towards specially-constructed "widgets" |
| 18:14.01 | Mikk | that you can't really handcode |
| 18:14.11 | augustl | I'll take a look at AceGUI, then, at least :) |
| 18:14.12 | Mikk | it does autolayouting and useful stuff like that |
| 18:14.26 | Mikk | but as for always-up frames n stuff |
| 18:14.29 | Mikk | you probably don't want acegui |
| 18:14.34 | Mikk | it's mostly geared towards dialogs |
| 18:14.40 | augustl | makes sense, thanks |
| 18:17.13 | augustl | hm, you can click-and-resize the default chat frame. Is that something specific to the default chat frame, or some kind of API you can use on your own frames? |
| 18:17.22 | augustl | nvm, /me takes a look at ChatFrame.lua |
| 18:17.51 | Iriel | frame:StartSizing()? |
| 18:18.23 | augustl | =D thanks |
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| 18:30.56 | augustl | that's odd. the chat frames seems to have a frame in the upper right corner that uses OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp, calling FCF_Resize and FCF_StopResize |
| 18:31.07 | augustl | (I guess that's not odd at all, though) |
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| 18:45.01 | augustl | there's no way to unallocate a frame, right? So if you have, say, a list, you should re-use frames rather than creating new frames when the list changes? |
| 18:45.11 | Cide | correct |
| 18:45.32 | augustl | not even TheFrame = nil and garbage collection will work? |
| 18:45.38 | nevcairiel | no |
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| 18:46.05 | augustl | I see, thanks (again) |
| 18:46.25 | Sesshu | how can i transform a binary number to a decimal number? |
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| 18:46.45 | msoul | is there an optuon for tps in recount? |
| 18:46.46 | nevcairiel | lua> tonumber("1001", 2) |
| 18:46.47 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 9 |
| 18:46.50 | msoul | option even |
| 18:47.02 | nevcairiel | Sesshu ^ |
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| 18:47.04 | msoul | a window similar to damage done raid dps etc |
| 18:47.09 | Sesshu | kk |
| 18:47.20 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:47.23 | augustl | what exactly does the second argument mean? |
| 18:47.33 | augustl | it's similar in javascript, parseInt("1001", 2) |
| 18:48.01 | Zerodamage | Hello there, need to use GetItemInfo() on not-cached items, have found i need to use the tooltip, but how? |
| 18:48.07 | nevcairiel | the base to use for parsing the number |
| 18:48.18 | Sesshu | thanks nevcairiel |
| 18:48.22 | Cide | lua> tonumber("1002", 2) |
| 18:48.22 | lua_bot | Cide: nil |
| 18:48.37 | Cide | ?! BUG |
| 18:48.40 | augustl | I don't really understand what "the base" means. Guess I need to get a math book ; ) |
| 18:48.44 | Sesshu | 1002 is not a binary number |
| 18:48.48 | nevcairiel | ~lart Cide |
| 18:48.48 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Cide into court suing for $200 million |
| 18:48.51 | Cide | someone got trolled |
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| 18:50.18 | Cide | a number n can be represented as n = a_k * 10^k + a_(k-1) * 10^(k-1) + a_(k-2) * 10^(k-3) ... a_1 * 10 + a_2 |
| 18:50.21 | Cide | sorry |
| 18:50.23 | Cide | a number n can be represented as n = a_k * 10^k + a_(k-1) * 10^(k-1) + a_(k-2) * 10^(k-3) ... a_1 * 10 + a_0 |
| 18:50.40 | Cide | the number 10 there is the base |
| 18:50.55 | Cide | you can represent any integer number in any integer base |
| 18:51.17 | Cide | if that was over your head, learn math |
| 18:51.36 | augustl | wtb learn math |
| 18:51.42 | augustl | plzzzzz |
| 18:51.49 | Seerah | we use base 10 in our number system |
| 18:52.00 | Seerah | when the counting reaches 10, another digit is added |
| 18:52.22 | Seerah | binary is base 2 |
| 18:52.22 | nevcairiel | base 2 is binary, base 8 is octal, base 10 is decimal, and base 16 is hexadecimal .. thats about the number systems you'll probably ever need |
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| 18:52.37 | zenzelezz | base64 |
| 18:52.37 | Cide | you forgot base i |
| 18:52.39 | augustl | so base 2 means that 0 is 0, 1 is 1 10 is 2, 11 is 3, 100 is 4, and so on? |
| 18:52.47 | augustl | same logic as base 10, basically? |
| 18:52.47 | Seerah | yes |
| 18:52.52 | nevcairiel | Cide, you really think he is going to understand that now? :P |
| 18:52.59 | Cide | yes |
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| 18:53.23 | Cide | I don't know any use of base i though |
| 18:53.26 | Cide | but it's pretty fun to use |
| 18:53.41 | nevcairiel | I bet some form of science uses it =p |
| 18:54.02 | Cide | google turned up ace of base |
| 18:54.08 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:54.10 | zenzelezz | wonders if "all your base" every caught on with mathematicians |
| 18:54.11 | Seerah | lol |
| 18:54.24 | zenzelezz | -y |
| 18:54.29 | zenzelezz | I r win at speling |
| 18:54.33 | Cide | nope |
| 18:55.21 | Cide | bah, that Shirik is still useless |
| 18:56.18 | Fisker | zenzelezzmen |
| 18:57.00 | augustl | be proud of yourself! I now grok base. |
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| 18:57.36 | Tuller | hurray for fios |
| 18:57.38 | augustl | a sidenote: every time I meddle with WoW addons, I wish javascript got replaced with Lua. |
| 19:00.55 | Zerodamage | Hello there, need to use GetItemInfo() on not-cached items, have found i need to use the gametooltip, but how? |
| 19:01.27 | augustl | GetItemInfo() only works on items the client has seen? |
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| 19:02.07 | Cide | augustl: you do? |
| 19:03.02 | Cide | what's the number 10011011 in decimal? |
| 19:03.15 | augustl | crap |
| 19:03.50 | Zerodamage | Yes, but if some item ive seen dosent work with GetItemInfo() by name, what do i do? |
| 19:03.57 | foxlit | lua> "\x64"; |
| 19:03.58 | lua_bot | foxlit: x64 |
| 19:04.03 | foxlit | lua> "\64"; |
| 19:04.03 | lua_bot | foxlit: @ |
| 19:04.22 | Fisker | learn2calc.exe Cide |
| 19:04.28 | Cide | I know the answer |
| 19:04.58 | foxlit | lua> print(("\0o\0h\0,\0 \0h\0a\0i"):gsub("%0", "")); |
| 19:04.58 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: invalid capture index |
| 19:07.53 | Tuller | Cide: per the windows calculator 155 |
| 19:08.02 | Sesshu | uhm |
| 19:08.23 | Sesshu | nevcairiel |
| 19:08.45 | nevcairiel | ? |
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| 19:09.26 | Sesshu | ah |
| 19:09.29 | Sesshu | nvm sry |
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| 19:14.24 | Sesshu | so.. and how can i transform a decimal number to a binary number? :D |
| 19:16.03 | nevcairiel | I dont think there is a build-in function to do that |
| 19:16.13 | nevcairiel | printf doesnt have a binary modifier, iirc |
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| 19:16.39 | nevcairiel | write a custom function =p |
| 19:16.48 | Cide | ^ |
| 19:17.27 | Coren{de} | local i = 155; local s = ""; while i > 1 do if (i % 2 == 1) then s = "1" .. s else s = "0" .. s; i = math.floor(i / 2); end; print(s) |
| 19:17.36 | Coren{de} | lua> local i = 155; local s = ""; while i > 1 do if (i % 2 == 1) then s = "1" .. s else s = "0" .. s; i = math.floor(i / 2); end; print(s) |
| 19:17.36 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:17.41 | Coren{de} | bleh |
| 19:17.46 | Sesshu | hehe |
| 19:17.50 | nevcairiel | its pretty easy, just divide by 2 and the remainder of the division is a position in binary |
| 19:17.54 | Coren{de} | lua> local i = 155; local s = ""; while i > 1 do if (i % 2 == 1) then s = "1" .. s else s = "0" .. s; end; i = math.floor(i / 2); end; print(s) |
| 19:17.54 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 0011011 |
| 19:18.06 | Lopeppeppy | Math is never "pretty easy", nevcairiel! |
| 19:18.15 | Coren{de} | lua> local i = 155; local s = ""; while i >= 1 do if (i % 2 == 1) then s = "1" .. s else s = "0" .. s; end; i = math.floor(i / 2); end; print(s) |
| 19:18.15 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 10011011 |
| 19:18.26 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy, math is always easy, if its not, you're doing it wrong |
| 19:18.35 | Cide | here's how you do it properly |
| 19:19.03 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, I have a bit of a learning disorder with numbers, it's never gonna be easy for me. |
| 19:19.06 | Cide | take every string permutation of 1's and 0's, call tonumber(s, 2) and see if it matches the original number |
| 19:19.18 | nevcairiel | cide is so evil =( |
| 19:19.30 | Cide | constant time |
| 19:19.37 | Coren{de} | hm, that math.floor in the loop can be avoided... |
| 19:19.41 | zenzelezz | lua> bit.tostring(155, 2) |
| 19:19.42 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'bit' (a nil value) |
| 19:19.48 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:19.50 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy, real math doesnt even use numbers! |
| 19:19.51 | jnwhiteh | bitlib should be there |
| 19:19.54 | Sesshu | lua> local i = 2; local s = ""; while i >= 1 do if (i % 2 == 1) then s = "1" .. s else s = "0" .. s; end; i = math.floor(i / 2); end; print(s) |
| 19:19.54 | lua_bot | Sesshu: 10 |
| 19:19.56 | Coren{de} | lua> local i = 155; local s = ""; while i >= 1 do if (i % 2 == 1) then s = "1" .. s i = i - 1 else s = "0" .. s; end; i = i / 2; end; print(s) |
| 19:19.56 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 10011011 |
| 19:19.57 | Cide | lua> pp(bit) |
| 19:19.58 | lua_bot | Cide: nil |
| 19:20.11 | Cide | oh, the previous error already said so |
| 19:20.34 | jnwhiteh | lua> pp(bit) |
| 19:20.34 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { ["arshift"] = function: 0x8718190, ["rshift"] = function: 0x8718158, ["bxor"] = function: 0x873af48, ["bor"] = function: 0x87245d0, ["bnot"] = function: 0x874a788, ["lshift"] = function: 0x87399c8, ["band"] = function: 0x8717bd8 } (#1) |
| 19:20.48 | nevcairiel | i dont think the bitlib ever had a tostring function, though |
| 19:20.51 | Sesshu | lol |
| 19:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, you break my gnomish brain. |
| 19:21.15 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy, sowwy =( |
| 19:21.16 | zenzelezz | lua> bit.tostring(155, 2) |
| 19:21.17 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'tostring' (a nil value) |
| 19:21.21 | zenzelezz | nope, apparently not |
| 19:21.32 | zenzelezz | was just trying something from some 2004 forum post |
| 19:21.39 | msoul | Is there an addon that places buffs etc to the top left and hide my char whatever its called... |
| 19:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, 2004 was a very way long time. |
| 19:21.55 | Sesshu | why does cides pp(bit) not work? |
| 19:21.56 | msoul | EBB is nice but want to have space for TPS/raid dps etc |
| 19:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | msoul, there are tons of those. And you can move your EBB, you know. |
| 19:22.15 | nevcairiel | Sesshu, jnwhiteh probably loaded the bit module afterwards ;) |
| 19:22.16 | Lopeppeppy | Just unlock it and move it. |
| 19:22.24 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: well the bible is 2000 years old, and people still subscribe to that; so it couldn't hurt to try, could it? |
| 19:22.31 | Coren{de} | *g* could also use format("%x", i) and then gsub all nibbles :> |
| 19:22.33 | jnwhiteh | because i ran luarocks install lbitlib |
| 19:22.36 | jnwhiteh | or bitlib |
| 19:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | Don't get me started on translation errors, zenzelezz. |
| 19:22.43 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: I know I can move EBB... hrm let me get the vid to get you a picture |
| 19:22.54 | Sesshu | k# |
| 19:22.58 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I'm having trouble following your logic. Are you trying to troll me today? |
| 19:23.13 | Lopeppeppy | msoul, I won't watch a video. Just go look at the buff addons and find one that you like better, and put it where you want it. |
| 19:23.37 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I was being serious. The bible is a bad example, it's so full of translation errors as to be... nothing like the original in a lot of cases. |
| 19:23.41 | Lopeppeppy | No trolling. *hugs* |
| 19:23.50 | nevcairiel | the original in latin? |
| 19:24.04 | cbreak | god didn't speak latin |
| 19:24.14 | nevcairiel | You know how they abused the latin version back in the days, and why they actually translated it in the first place? :P |
| 19:24.27 | Lopeppeppy | Politics. |
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| 19:27.05 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 19:27.06 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:27.25 | Coren{de} | ~pong |
| 19:27.26 | purl | ~ping |
| 19:27.35 | mikma | ~pimp |
| 19:27.36 | purl | ACTION adds more Wunder-Baums |
| 19:27.53 | Coren{de} | Wunder-Baums?? |
| 19:28.05 | mikma | ~literal ping |
| 19:28.05 | purl | "ping" is "<reply>~pong" |
| 19:28.20 | mikma | purl: no, pimp is <reply>~pump |
| 19:28.21 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 19:28.55 | Coren{de} | if Wunder-Baum is what I think, purl should've said it adds more Wunderbäume... :D |
| 19:29.26 | mikma | smelly pine |
| 19:30.28 | Sesshu | wunderbaums sounds better |
| 19:31.14 | Sesshu | and maybe purl can't say "ä" :P |
| 19:32.08 | mikma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderbaum |
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| 19:32.30 | cbreak | sounds like a new druid spec |
| 19:33.13 | Coren{de} | wow, sweden also uses the German term, from that url |
| 19:33.35 | nevcairiel | wtf is a wunderbaum |
| 19:33.44 | nevcairiel | oh those smell things |
| 19:33.57 | Coren{de} | Wunder - miracle, Baum - tree |
| 19:34.18 | Coren{de} | totally overstating their actual powers :D |
| 19:34.20 | nevcairiel | i'm german, i still didnt remember those trees :P |
| 19:34.26 | Shirik | ow |
| 19:34.37 | Coren{de} | no car? |
| 19:34.39 | Shirik | it is really confusing looking at my guild list and seeing in the notes, in 5 different places, the same name |
| 19:34.45 | nevcairiel | none that smells |
| 19:35.06 | Coren{de} | Diesel ftw. :D |
| 19:36.21 | Sesshu | ~pi |
| 19:36.22 | purl | [pi] 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 19:36.58 | Sesshu | thanks |
| 19:36.58 | cbreak | purl, be more specific |
| 19:36.59 | Coren{de} | ~pee |
| 19:37.00 | purl | Ok. |
| 19:37.11 | Coren{de} | what, noone added something for that? I'm disappointed :D |
| 19:37.23 | Pneumatus | ~literal pee |
| 19:37.24 | purl | "pee" is "<reply>Ok." |
| 19:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | She doesn't tend to be overly vulgar. |
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| 19:37.49 | Adys | yay |
| 19:38.05 | Adys | all 3 sartharion+x achievements and the black drake on the same raid <3 |
| 19:38.20 | cbreak | give it to me! |
| 19:38.41 | Sesshu | black drake sucks |
| 19:38.41 | cbreak | my guild did that achievement many months ago, for the first and last time... and the winner of the drake left the guild meanwhile :( |
| 19:40.40 | Adys | it wasnt in guild |
| 19:40.44 | Adys | just organized a semi-pug |
| 19:41.26 | msoul | you got the drake? |
| 19:41.36 | Xinhuan | anyone knows the difference between %i and %d for format() in lua? |
| 19:41.39 | Sesshu | the lucky one who got val'anyr from my guild stopped to play after he got that |
| 19:41.44 | Adys | ya msoul |
| 19:41.47 | Cide | Xinhuan: there isn'y one afaik |
| 19:41.49 | Cide | isn't |
| 19:41.49 | Adys | dont have to go back there ever |
| 19:41.50 | msoul | gratz |
| 19:41.51 | Adys | Xinhuan: none |
| 19:42.00 | Cide | I win\ |
| 19:42.01 | Xinhuan | ok lame then |
| 19:42.11 | Adys | actually wait |
| 19:42.13 | msoul | i am after the tanking legs and fury of the five flights for my dk |
| 19:42.21 | Cide | the difference is the format specifier |
| 19:42.22 | Adys | I thnk %d is signed %i is unsigned |
| 19:42.26 | msoul | still on the bronze one |
| 19:42.27 | zenzelezz | apparently most people in my guild who got the healing mace or whatever it was from Illidan stopped playing |
| 19:42.30 | zenzelezz | like the weapon was cursed |
| 19:42.35 | Adys | there isnt one in python |
| 19:42.40 | Adys | but might be in lua |
| 19:42.42 | Xinhuan | lua> format("%d %i", -3, 03) |
| 19:42.42 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value) |
| 19:42.48 | Xinhuan | lua> string.format("%d %i", -3, -3) |
| 19:42.49 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: -3 -3 |
| 19:43.02 | msoul | zenzelezz: my guild give loot to "friends" first raiders after |
| 19:43.03 | Xinhuan | err both seem signed |
| 19:43.03 | Cide | lua> string.format("%d %i", 2^32-1, 2^32-1) |
| 19:43.03 | lua_bot | Cide: -2147483648 -2147483648 |
| 19:43.10 | msoul | which is why i am considering moving to a new realm even |
| 19:43.22 | nevcairiel | d and i are exactly the same |
| 19:43.22 | msoul | kazzak seems so lame pugs or no pugs |
| 19:43.25 | Xinhuan | lua> string.format("%03d %03i", -3, -3) |
| 19:43.25 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: -03 -03 |
| 19:43.38 | nevcairiel | they are synonyms :p |
| 19:43.43 | Adys | hmm |
| 19:43.53 | Adys | Im pretty sure there is a signed/unsigned sign |
| 19:43.58 | msoul | and since this fcm is on thinking of going to tarren mill |
| 19:44.00 | Xinhuan | lua> string.format("%03d %03i", -3.54, -3.54) |
| 19:44.00 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: -03 -03 |
| 19:44.05 | msoul | medium population is always nice |
| 19:44.10 | Cide | pretty sure you're thinking of the + specifier |
| 19:44.21 | nevcairiel | lua> string.format("%u %d", -2, -2) |
| 19:44.21 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 4294967294 -2 |
| 19:44.22 | Cide | lua> string.format("%+d", 3) |
| 19:44.22 | lua_bot | Cide: +3 |
| 19:44.24 | nevcairiel | there, unsigned |
| 19:44.32 | Cide | ah |
| 19:44.47 | zenzelezz | lua> string.format("%i %d", 4000000000, 4000000000) |
| 19:44.48 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: -2147483648 -2147483648 |
| 19:45.02 | nevcairiel | just accept that i and d are synonyms <.< |
| 19:45.04 | Cide | I already did 2^32-1 you failezz |
| 19:45.20 | zenzelezz | didn't catch that |
| 19:45.21 | nevcairiel | read a C printf doc and be done with it =p |
| 19:45.33 | zenzelezz | thought one of them might have been a short, but obviously not |
| 19:46.06 | nevcairiel | there are length modifiers |
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| 19:46.16 | zenzelezz | that's not what I was talking about |
| 19:46.36 | nevcairiel | lua> string.format("%hd %ld", 4000000000, 4000000000) |
| 19:46.36 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: invalid option '%h' to 'format' |
| 19:46.42 | nevcairiel | i guess lua doesnt like that |
| 19:47.26 | nevcairiel | in C %hd would be short, ld is long, and Ld is long long |
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| 19:47.41 | nevcairiel | well, L is not always supported :P |
| 19:48.00 | smcn | are addon folders case-sensitive? ie if your .toc is named CaseSens can the folder be casesens? |
| 19:48.16 | nevcairiel | smcn, on windows, possibly, on any other system, not so much |
| 19:48.22 | nevcairiel | keep them in the same case. |
| 19:48.43 | zenzelezz | you know, just in case |
| 19:52.57 | smcn | lawlz |
| 19:53.54 | smcn | it does work on windows just for the sake of completion :P |
| 19:55.54 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 19:55.54 | purl | gives zenzelezz an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending zenzelezz to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
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| 20:01.22 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:15.51 | Zyn | begins to shake |
| 20:17.38 | Coren{de} | smcn, at least the wowi-updater doesn't cope well with case-difference... |
| 20:18.06 | Coren{de} | lua> string.format("%u", -1) |
| 20:18.07 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 4294967295 |
| 20:19.58 | Coren{de} | lua> math.floor(log(tonumber(string.format("%u", -1)))) |
| 20:19.58 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'log' (a nil value) |
| 20:20.06 | Coren{de} | lua> math.floor(math.log(tonumber(string.format("%u", -1)))) |
| 20:20.06 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 22 |
| 20:20.31 | Coren{de} | Hm. |
| 20:21.06 | Coren{de} | Ah. |
| 20:21.22 | Coren{de} | lua> math.floor(math.log(tonumber(string.format("%u", -1))) / math.log(2)) |
| 20:21.22 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 31 |
| 20:22.03 | nevcairiel | i hope that result isnt surprising now =) |
| 20:22.45 | Coren{de} | totally is! :) |
| 20:23.44 | A-KO | http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs221.snc1/6833_129146260266_641465266_2646077_8067583_n.jpg < yay blizzcon :P |
| 20:26.22 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9lFe504i2s&feature=player_embedded - 1:35 and on |
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| 20:30.37 | Adys | Cide |
| 20:30.38 | Adys | Oh Cide |
| 20:30.46 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/itemsets.png |
| 20:31.25 | foxlit | Cide: 2:43 |
| 20:31.31 | Cide | huh? |
| 20:31.55 | Cide | foxlit: ya, what about it? |
| 20:33.18 | foxlit | He's constantly reshuffling the deck. |
| 20:33.23 | foxlit | Or, rather, rearranging it. |
| 20:33.44 | Cide | well yeah |
| 20:34.01 | Coren{de} | I seem to remember somewhere having read about Blizzard threatening to push a cross realm LFG system in place, so sucky groups have even less repercussions... was that idea scraped? *crosses fingers* |
| 20:34.01 | Cide | still impressive if you ask me |
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| 20:34.34 | soufron | hello |
| 20:34.37 | nevcairiel | The cross-realm LFG is still planned for 3.3 |
| 20:34.39 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 20:36.06 | Coren{de} | frightening 8( |
| 20:36.57 | Adys | Cide: its a common trick |
| 20:37.20 | Cide | yep |
| 20:38.29 | Adys | rofl at the what the hell |
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| 20:41.56 | Fisker | why would it have less repercussions? |
| 20:41.59 | Fisker | l2lootoptions |
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| 21:04.56 | Dagmar | If you can pull someone from all the newbs on all the servers, you can more readily ditch the ones who can't hack it |
| 21:05.14 | Dagmar | Outflow matches inflow. |
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| 21:06.02 | Dagmar | If there were perpetually LOTS of people in LFG, folks wouldn't be afraid of grouping with someone who sucked, because they'd know those people would be easily replaceable. |
| 21:06.53 | Fisker | meh |
| 21:07.02 | Fisker | people won't leave an instance if they're saved to it |
| 21:08.45 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, do you get terribly saved to run-of-the-mill instances for leveling? |
| 21:09.16 | Fisker | Are those the only type of instances that exist? |
| 21:09.18 | Dagmar | I know the save bit would be problematic for heroics, but if you're just looking to bust some heads and get some XP, you'd actually be able to FIND people leveling now |
| 21:09.24 | Fisker | sure |
| 21:10.00 | Dagmar | *yawn* more to it than endgame raiding |
| 21:10.06 | foxlit | Fisker: /kick and they're ported. |
| 21:10.26 | Dagmar | The 1-80 run wouldn't need to involve skipping classic dungeons anymore I think |
| 21:10.44 | foxlit | (unless it's a raid. Although one has to wonder whether one would want to cross-server pug a raid) |
| 21:10.51 | Fisker | Nope |
| 21:10.54 | Dagmar | I would some riads |
| 21:10.56 | Dagmar | er raids |
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| 21:11.03 | Dagmar | ...and I'd bloody well set master loot |
| 21:11.05 | foxlit | Dagmar: Why would you want to do classic dungeons while levelling? |
| 21:11.06 | Fisker | Any instance that saves you will prevent a person from kicking another person when saved |
| 21:11.20 | Dagmar | foxlit: quick loot upgrades, PRACTICE |
| 21:11.45 | foxlit | Fisker: Unfortunately not the case. |
| 21:11.53 | Dagmar | Part of the reason we've got a crop of brass bedknobs masquerading as players is that they've spent seventy-nine levels running around not having to work as a team |
| 21:11.53 | Fisker | Yes it is |
| 21:12.02 | foxlit | You can easily get the "You are not in this instance's group" kick in 5-man heroics. |
| 21:12.18 | foxlit | You're saved to 5-man heroics. Ergo, you need to troll better. :) |
| 21:12.38 | Fisker | ? |
| 21:13.03 | foxlit | Dagmar: would classic instances actually help there? |
| 21:13.24 | Dagmar | Yes, I think so |
| 21:13.39 | nevcairiel | you level so fast, unless you find a group the second you ask, 2 hours later you'll already out-level the instance and not need skill to finish it =p |
| 21:13.52 | Dagmar | Knowing what gimmick gets you immediately past some boss isn't as important as being able to figure it out in a hurry |
| 21:14.44 | foxlit | The mechanics people struggle with are very likely not used in old instances. |
| 21:14.56 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 21:15.12 | Dagmar | The mechanics people struggle with that I see are the ones they've not seen before |
| 21:15.30 | industrial | I wish there was like a windows channel like theres a linux channel on freenode where people actually know stuff about windows! |
| 21:15.31 | Dagmar | It's why people fail on the Four Horsemen so easily |
| 21:15.41 | industrial | like how to turn off win+1-0 keybinds in widnows 7 |
| 21:15.52 | nevcairiel | no ##windows? |
| 21:16.00 | Dagmar | They're in there. |
| 21:16.05 | Dagmar | They just click, they don't type. |
| 21:16.10 | industrial | yes, but theres more questions asked by far then answered :p |
| 21:16.14 | Cide | funny |
| 21:17.00 | foxlit | Dagmar: so putting people in low-level instances wouldn't do any good there. |
| 21:17.16 | foxlit | Since they'll still not have seen the 4H marks mechanic until they encounter the four horseman. |
| 21:17.18 | foxlit | e |
| 21:17.18 | Dagmar | Yes it will. |
| 21:17.31 | Dagmar | Do you ignore an infant's mental development until they're 18 and then try to teach them to drive? |
| 21:18.01 | industrial | heh you dont ant to know Dagmar. |
| 21:18.04 | Dagmar | I've got two co-workers I'm probably going to have to set up after-hours meetings with so that we can teach them how to play |
| 21:18.05 | industrial | you really do not. |
| 21:18.17 | cbreak | 4h is level 60 originally. |
| 21:18.20 | Dagmar | They've done the level grind, but they're dumb as rocks about indoor mechanics |
| 21:18.44 | Dagmar | It would be MUCH more helpful if they knew things like say, not standing out in the open like a pillock when you're trying to LoS pull |
| 21:19.16 | industrial | Cairenn: nice writeup of blizzcon |
| 21:19.19 | foxlit | LoS pulling often? :) |
| 21:19.25 | Dagmar | Things like, "stay at max range from the tank" |
| 21:19.41 | Dagmar | You get healers who stand about ten feet from the tank like it's no big deal that wya |
| 21:19.57 | foxlit | It's not "max range from the tank" |
| 21:19.58 | industrial | wish I could go to blizzcon some time, I could go to japan for the same amount though I bet and that would be the first choice for me :( |
| 21:20.02 | foxlit | It's "comfortable range from the tank" |
| 21:20.07 | Dagmar | I catch people who've never even HEARD of omen in PUGs |
| 21:20.26 | foxlit | What's comfortable depends on the encounter. If people have threat issues, blame the tank. |
| 21:20.42 | Dagmar | If you want more buffer in threat, you stay 30ft away if you can |
| 21:20.44 | Cairenn | industrial: thanks :) |
| 21:20.56 | Dagmar | "Blame the tank" is how idiots play |
| 21:21.08 | Dagmar | DPS and healers have to watch their threat as well |
| 21:21.35 | foxlit | Frankly, unless there's a considerable gear level disparity, you'll never pull threat off a competent tank. |
| 21:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | Threat is the one good thing about being a holy paladin. |
| 21:21.55 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 21:22.22 | Dagmar | I make no assumptions about the competency of other PUG players |
| 21:22.27 | industrial | still pulling aggro can be avoided by just casting an instant spell usually (eg feign death, fade etc) |
| 21:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | IF you are a class which has one. |
| 21:22.50 | Dagmar | Yeah most of the DPSers have a threat-wipe, but healers? |
| 21:23.13 | foxlit | ... healing has an innate threat reduction. |
| 21:23.22 | foxlit | If you pull aggro by healing the tank, it's time to leave the group. |
| 21:23.25 | Dagmar | Once they start having to heal themselves from being attacked, things can go downhill quickly |
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| 21:24.56 | Dagmar | Someone's too used to single pulls and AoE taunts |
| 21:25.17 | foxlit | I'm too used to general competence. |
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| 21:30.07 | Fisker | casts bloodlust |
| 21:30.23 | Bibi | casts lust |
| 21:32.04 | mikma | fisker is a din din |
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| 21:47.58 | Sesshu | anyone can explain me how % exactly works? like "5 % 3 = 2" |
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| 21:49.07 | Pneumatus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation |
| 21:50.08 | Cide | for a%b = r, it returns r so that a = n*b + r, for integers a, b, n, and r |
| 21:50.39 | Pneumatus | Lua's modulo operator works on doubles as well, iirc |
| 21:51.31 | Cide | yep |
| 21:52.09 | Cide | for a%b = r, it returns r so that a = n*b + r, for the highest possible integer n such that n*b <= a |
| 21:52.15 | Cide | better? |
| 21:52.52 | mikma | yes, dk can solo onyxia |
| 21:54.47 | ZorbaTHut | most classes can solo onyxia at this point. I did it with a warrior. |
| 21:55.00 | VonhintenHOME` | I doubt my rogue could |
| 21:55.04 | ZorbaTHut | rogues might have trouble, yeah |
| 21:55.05 | foxlit | crushing qqs? |
| 21:55.26 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not quite sure how a mage would go about it either |
| 21:56.12 | ZorbaTHut | hunters may have trouble with the amount of area damage involved, I'm not sure they have any significant self-healing. I can't think of another class that would have trouble. |
| 22:01.52 | Shirik | Please don't say that % is the "modulo operator" |
| 22:01.53 | Shirik | it is not |
| 22:02.04 | Shirik | modulo and modulus are two distinct, but similar, operations |
| 22:02.36 | Shirik | I should probably fix that on wikipedia too |
| 22:02.47 | Sesshu | what is the differents? |
| 22:02.56 | Shirik | wikipedia starts correctly |
| 22:03.00 | Sesshu | between modulo and modulus? |
| 22:03.04 | Shirik | "7 (mod 3)" is an example of modulo |
| 22:03.13 | Shirik | It does not have a single answer |
| 22:03.15 | Shirik | it returns a set |
| 22:03.26 | Shirik | modulus is more specifically defined |
| 22:03.31 | Shirik | it yields a single number |
| 22:03.57 | Shirik | typically the largest value of a (mod b) which is less than b |
| 22:04.21 | Shirik | Actually, I take it back. Wikipedia is wrong from the start. |
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| 22:10.26 | Shirik | lua> 5 % -3 |
| 22:10.26 | lua_bot | Shirik: -1 |
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| 22:11.32 | Shirik | lua> (5 + 1)/-3 |
| 22:11.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: -2 |
| 22:12.20 | Shirik | I think Cide's definition is wrong too |
| 22:12.36 | Shirik | it's only true if b >= 0 |
| 22:12.37 | Cide | yeah, whatever |
| 22:12.38 | Shirik | rather, b > 0 |
| 22:13.00 | Cide | it's simpler to define for positive b |
| 22:13.08 | Cide | with a single definition |
| 22:13.21 | Shirik | well I think your definition is correct for math.mod |
| 22:14.11 | Cide | how about |
| 22:15.18 | Cide | for a%b = r, it returns r so that a = n*b + r, such that |nb| is maximized and |nb| <= |a| |
| 22:15.45 | Shirik | that's an incomplete requirement |
| 22:15.58 | Cide | why? |
| 22:15.59 | Shirik | there are two values of n which will satisfy that requirement |
| 22:16.10 | Shirik | (and thus two values of r) |
| 22:16.18 | Cide | yeah, true |
| 22:16.27 | Cide | both are valid values of a (mod) b though |
| 22:16.31 | Cide | a (mod b) rather |
| 22:16.39 | Shirik | correct, but Lua consistently gives the same value for the % operator |
| 22:16.43 | Cide | yep |
| 22:16.53 | Shirik | so the requirement can be more clearly defined |
| 22:17.20 | Shirik | I have one |
| 22:18.04 | Shirik | ...such that n/|n| * n * b is the largest value for which |nb| <= |a| |
| 22:18.29 | Shirik | er, sorry |
| 22:18.32 | Shirik | not n/|n| |
| 22:18.37 | Shirik | b / |b| |
| 22:18.48 | Cide | b/|b| * b == |b| |
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| 22:18.55 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 22:18.59 | Cide | yes |
| 22:19.21 | Shirik | awit, what was I trying to solve here |
| 22:19.21 | Cide | b^2 / |b| returns b as a positive number |
| 22:19.24 | Shirik | I had a reason for doing that |
| 22:19.37 | Shirik | it was to get the sign |
| 22:19.49 | Cide | I figured |
| 22:19.57 | Shirik | because the sign of n must match the sign of b |
| 22:20.01 | Cide | but since you're then multiplying by b it can be shortened to n|b| |
| 22:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | The sign of the beast! |
| 22:20.23 | Shirik | right |
| 22:20.24 | Shirik | so |
| 22:20.32 | Shirik | we want the largest value of nb such that |nb| < |a| |
| 22:20.41 | Cide | why not <=? |
| 22:20.45 | Shirik | ok, <= |
| 22:20.49 | Cide | and if that holds then that's what I said |
| 22:20.49 | Sesshu | hehe |
| 22:20.51 | Shirik | But NOT the largest value of |nb| |
| 22:20.53 | Cide | oh |
| 22:20.53 | Shirik | no |
| 22:20.55 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:21.00 | Cide | there's the difference |
| 22:21.29 | Shirik | if the signs are mismatched, it will go negative, meaning it will not be the largest |
| 22:22.02 | Cide | yep |
| 22:22.08 | Shirik | isn't this fun? |
| 22:22.12 | Cide | it is |
| 22:23.08 | Cide | hey Shirik |
| 22:23.19 | Shirik | I know where this is going |
| 22:23.20 | Cide | feel free to design the data transfer mechanic |
| 22:23.34 | Cide | and yes you do suck |
| 22:23.35 | Shirik | you should steal from Conspiracy |
| 22:23.49 | Shirik | ok, what do I need to transfer? |
| 22:23.51 | Cide | I have a feeling that's more than what's needed without looking at it |
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| 22:24.10 | Cide | well |
| 22:24.28 | Cide | arbitrary state for specific handlers |
| 22:24.49 | Cide | ideally each message should be tied to specific handlers and sent and received by the same object on different clients |
| 22:25.01 | Cide | that was the idea I had anyway |
| 22:25.35 | Shirik | so you need some kind of a global reference? |
| 22:26.04 | Cide | well it's a bit unclear what state needs to be sent |
| 22:27.11 | Cide | but I'm thinking arbitrary code can register themselves to send and receive data with a given prefix (unique for each handle) - they get a handle from the protocol and use it (through a metatable) to send and retrieve any state relating to that prefix/code/state |
| 22:27.22 | Cide | to minimize coupling |
| 22:27.55 | Cide | generally it's only the display machinery that will be retrieving the data though |
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| 22:28.54 | Shirik | I just need to know what you need, really |
| 22:28.59 | Shirik | so you're asking for a synchronization mechanism? |
| 22:29.08 | Shirik | Such that both clients can monitor the same thing without risk of duplicating an event? |
| 22:29.45 | Shirik | eh, brb |
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| 22:48.28 | industrial | Can I poke anyone to try out an actionbar addon for me? it uses the default blizzard keybinds/bars/actionid's. I need to know if it properly works with pets and vehicles (just mount at ToC?). |
| 22:48.50 | industrial | http://github.com/Industrial/idMainMenuBar/tree/master |
| 22:48.54 | industrial | there's a download button for a zip |
| 22:49.26 | industrial | though it appears youll have to rename the zipped folder |
| 22:49.44 | industrial | Fisker: make yourself useful for once (also the keybinds thing works nicely :3) |
| 22:50.04 | Thunder_Child | industrial. it's your own damn fault for sking this on a weekend |
| 22:50.18 | Thunder_Child | asking* |
| 22:50.52 | industrial | ha? you just replied when I just asked it.. there wasnt even any awkward silence for hours in between |
| 22:51.14 | industrial | Thunder_Child: now you are here however.. |
| 22:51.17 | Thunder_Child | it's usually empty here on the weekends is my point |
| 22:51.17 | industrial | :> |
| 22:51.30 | industrial | hm, never noticed :S |
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| 23:02.45 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki ludes |
| 23:03.06 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki Quaalude |
| 23:03.41 | bleeter | Cairenn: I'm sorry, like a dog at a bone I couldn't resist ;) |
| 23:04.20 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 23:04.27 | industrial | Thunder_Child: increased sexual arousal. |
| 23:04.50 | Cairenn | tries to figure out what bleeter is talking about |
| 23:06.26 | bleeter | Cairenn: FB status about bags of idiots ;) |
| 23:06.31 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:06.32 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 23:06.38 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:07.17 | bleeter | I was almost 'I swear mate if you let the bags of idiots open every tuesday on your next effort ima get a passport n come over n kick yer butt' |
| 23:07.20 | bleeter | but I didn't :D |
| 23:07.37 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 23:09.44 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* 1 little sonic boom and everyone goes crazy |
| 23:09.56 | Thunder_Child | though they could have scheduled it for a better day imo |
| 23:12.46 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: everyone *is already* crazy |
| 23:13.35 | bleeter | WoWWiners: Any progress on the PTR Black Screen Of Death, yet? |
| 23:13.47 | bleeter | is tempted to post to PTR forum just for the sake of a threadlock/delete |
| 23:14.12 | kd3 | fixed this build |
| 23:15.51 | bleeter | oh really? |
| 23:15.58 | bleeter | game build? nice |
| 23:16.17 | bleeter | pokes adys to update his Wine bug |
| 23:17.05 | Fisker | l2notwinebtw |
| 23:17.24 | bleeter | l2!fiskerbtw |
| 23:17.25 | Fisker | btw does wine mention itself in one of the version functions? |
| 23:18.45 | bleeter | i dunno, i'd have to download the source to see! |
| 23:19.41 | Fisker | herro bleeter |
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| 23:21.20 | mikma | now, get them to add hardware cursor, damnit |
| 23:21.58 | bleeter | mikma: what's with that, srsly |
| 23:22.51 | mikma | bleeter: its annoying without it, mouse is a bit laggy |
| 23:23.20 | industrial | seconded |
| 23:23.50 | bleeter | gah should've hassled guillotine for it when he was asking for serious bug reports |
| 23:23.51 | industrial | and to fix the weird (apparently wine?) bug that makes you move like if you were tapping the keyboard really fast |
| 23:24.01 | industrial | like if stuck in one motion. |
| 23:24.04 | bleeter | totally forgot to mention the black screen, the cursor never rated a thought til just now |
| 23:24.30 | p3lim | Anyone know if there is a way to "hook" or replace the functions inside a StaticPopup without replacing the whole popup? |
| 23:24.32 | mikma | its not a bug |
| 23:24.39 | mikma | its just lack of support or something |
| 23:24.49 | bleeter | of COURSE it's a bug! ;) |
| 23:25.03 | bleeter | don't go arguing it's a feature request, it'll never happen! ;) |
| 23:25.11 | industrial | welll it looks weird |
| 23:25.33 | bleeter | tbh, maybe there's some low level thing in Windows that's broken somewhere like how DX audio was all fubar |
| 23:25.58 | bleeter | can't imagine what |
| 23:32.34 | ZorbaTHut | the downside about running the increasingly-long QH builds at home is that it makes the apartment noticably warmer :( |
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| 23:40.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: buy a vps somewhere and make it do the work? :P |
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| 23:41.32 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, too expensive :P |
| 23:41.39 | NightHawkTheSane | buy a fan? ;) |
| 23:42.17 | ZorbaTHut | too noisy ;) I'd rather just live with slightly irritating heat |
| 23:42.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, live somewhere cold, so it can be a heater! |
| 23:45.17 | bleeter | Adys: re: your comment on that wine bug. wouldn't suprise me at all if it were an MS bug that made it 'work' in Windows. AKA 2.(2?)'s sound bug |
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| 23:49.02 | bleeter | ahhh the gentle hum of makewhatis(1) |
| 23:55.30 | kd3 | oof... my gpu's running at 70c |
| 23:55.33 | kd3 | no wonder my room's so hot |
| 23:55.43 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: ping |
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| 23:57.42 | bleeter | kd3: curiosity, have you ever run that intel power saving tool thing on your desktops? (powertop(1)) I'm kinda.. meh... a bit about it's reporting on my lappy, never had the stomach to try it on my desktop |
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| 23:59.16 | kd3 | ya |
| 23:59.29 | tekkub | Arrowmaster: eh? |
| 23:59.34 | tekkub | make it fast, I has dinner |
| 23:59.34 | kd3 | as long it doesn't turn off my usb wireless mouse receivers it's all good |
