| 00:00.12 | WobWork | That's the ... stage |
| 00:00.12 | WobWork | step |
| 00:00.17 | WobWork | If I tell you, -you'll- take the PROFIT |
| 00:00.25 | Jerub | i leave underwear on the floor for her to pick up on her way out the door. |
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| 00:00.53 | Adys | as i read the beginning of that sentence I thought it was gonna end in to "for her to slip on and break her neck" |
| 00:01.44 | WobWork | Someone in this conversation is slightly odd... and for once, I don't think it's me =P |
| 00:01.49 | DWSR | tem |
| 00:01.55 | WobWork | It -could- be Tem |
| 00:02.04 | Adys | imo its Shirik |
| 00:02.04 | Jerub | WobWork: wait, is it Adys or me? |
| 00:02.13 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:02.14 | WobWork | Jerub: "Yes" |
| 00:02.20 | Shirik | :( |
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| 00:04.29 | Adys | night all |
| 00:15.50 | mikma | fuck this fucking fuck |
| 00:15.55 | mikma | random disconnects FTL |
| 00:16.10 | Dagmar | Quick! Man the tourettes! |
| 00:16.25 | Jerub | my disconnects aren't random. |
| 00:16.38 | Jerub | I go to dalaran, i disconnect. it's simple as that. |
| 00:18.09 | Dagmar | Make sure your disks work properly |
| 00:18.14 | WobWork | It's cause you insulted a mage as a noob, isn't it, Jerub |
| 00:18.30 | Dagmar | ...or buy a CPU that isn't made of pewter. ;) |
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| 00:19.26 | Jerub | WobWork: what do you mean, 'as a noob' |
| 00:19.28 | Jerub | i'm still a noob! |
| 00:20.51 | Shirik | ~pin |
| 00:20.52 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, pin is $1 <action> laughs as shirik gets $1 in a headlock while screaming 'Say Uncle!' |
| 00:20.52 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 00:20.53 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:21.33 | Shirik | my DNS server died |
| 00:21.33 | Jerub | ~ICMP Type 8 |
| 00:21.34 | Shirik | again |
| 00:21.48 | Shirik | I swear brighthouse is the most worthless company |
| 00:21.49 | Shirik | ever |
| 00:21.49 | Jerub | Shirik: brilliant. point to opendns instead. |
| 00:21.56 | Shirik | I thought I was |
| 00:22.11 | Jerub | okay, then stop pointing at opendns |
| 00:22.12 | Jerub | ;) |
| 00:22.38 | Shirik | 208.67.222.222 |
| 00:22.39 | Shirik | is that opendns? |
| 00:22.46 | DWSR | yes |
| 00:23.01 | Shirik | I'd blame brighthouse before them |
| 00:23.14 | mikma | my cpu is new, my disk is new, and still i get random disconnects |
| 00:23.14 | Shirik | '"Oops... we 'accidentally' lost routability to opendns" |
| 00:23.17 | mikma | that blows quite alot |
| 00:23.29 | mikma | moment ago i was owning paladin in eots and blob, dc |
| 00:23.30 | Jerub | you're not behind any kind of NAT? |
| 00:23.37 | Jerub | I'd blame a natting device first. |
| 00:23.52 | mikma | earlier i threw a D&D on the ground so i can start tanking some mobs in OS10, dc |
| 00:24.15 | Shirik | It's worked for the last week |
| 00:24.21 | Shirik | I doubt all of a sudden NAT became a problem |
| 00:24.22 | Dagmar | Hmm.. |
| 00:24.28 | Dagmar | I've disconnected in Dalaran once and only once |
| 00:24.40 | Dagmar | ...and that was because I logged out in Dalaran, flushed the cache, and then logged back in. |
| 00:24.43 | mikma | the interesting thing is dalaran doesn't cause me dc |
| 00:24.43 | Jerub | Dagmar: I disconnect every time i hearth, and then i log back in and it comes good. |
| 00:24.43 | Dagmar | ...during peak times. |
| 00:25.08 | mikma | my modem does the natting |
| 00:25.13 | Dagmar | Otherwise, I fly through it, over it, around it, parachute down to it, fly up into the sewer pipe... no problems |
| 00:25.17 | mikma | been working fine until now |
| 00:25.24 | mikma | these dc's started like 1 week+ ago |
| 00:25.26 | Jerub | Shirik: is dns still down for you? |
| 00:25.31 | Shirik | nope |
| 00:25.35 | Jerub | k. |
| 00:25.55 | Jerub | mikma: i was talking about shirik's dns, not your d/c's. |
| 00:26.21 | mikma | jerub: then point your messages to shirik |
| 00:27.25 | Jerub | mikma: heh, sorry. :) |
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| 00:35.34 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 00:37.01 | Cruciformer | if I want to "inherit" all the methods of a frame, can I setmetatable (myobk, __index = SomeFrame)? Or does the second argument have to be an object I created with functions etc? |
| 00:37.12 | Cruciformer | *myobj |
| 00:37.43 | Textmode | setmetatable(myobk, {__index = SomeFrame}) |
| 00:37.54 | Textmode | it needs to be a table. |
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| 00:38.19 | Cruciformer | and the return value from CreateFrame isnt a table? |
| 00:38.20 | Textmode | but otherwise, that should work, as I'm doing basically that in several places in my own code. |
| 00:39.03 | Textmode | hmm? |
| 00:39.27 | Cruciformer | Why do I need {__index = SomeFrame} and not just SomeFrame? Surely SomeFrame is a table? |
| 00:39.33 | Textmode | userdata? |
| 00:40.09 | Cruciformer | hrm |
| 00:40.10 | Beladona | anyone around willing to hop ingame with me so I can get a group started in order to test these party frames I am coding? Wont take long |
| 00:40.13 | Textmode | metamethods. |
| 00:40.46 | Shirik | Cruciformer, there is a severe difference between setmetatable(foo, t) and setmetatable(foo, {__index = t}) |
| 00:40.49 | Shirik | severe difference |
| 00:41.08 | Cruciformer | ok. One other question then. Suppose "myobj" is a "frame-like" thing. I want calls like SetWidth, SetFrameStrata etc to work on it, and have it control the table member called "frame". |
| 00:41.41 | Cruciformer | How do I get it to act on that table member called "frame" when they call myobj:SetWidth(), considering SetWidth comes from the setmetatable |
| 00:42.38 | Cruciformer | Shirik: yeah I was just a bit confused on teh syntax, I am aware of the __index thing, I forgot it had to always be {__index=WHATEVER} |
| 00:43.35 | Cruciformer | I think I worded that second question badly. |
| 00:44.07 | Cruciformer | If I have myobj = { frame = CreateFrame ("Frame"), otherdata="abc" } |
| 00:44.32 | Cruciformer | and then setmetatable (myobj, {__index=myobj.frame}) |
| 00:44.39 | Shirik | woah, what? |
| 00:44.48 | Shirik | that's... not what you want |
| 00:44.50 | Beladona | I think that would fail when you go to use the metamethods |
| 00:44.59 | Cruciformer | if I then call myobj:SetWidth() can I make it refer to myobj.frame? |
| 00:45.10 | Cruciformer | Beladona: yeah thats what I was fearing. |
| 00:45.13 | Shirik | Oh... I see what you're doing |
| 00:45.21 | Shirik | you want to wrap a frame basically? |
| 00:45.26 | Cruciformer | yessir |
| 00:45.30 | Shirik | don't use a table then imo |
| 00:45.37 | Shirik | __index is really supposed to be a function |
| 00:45.43 | Shirik | it being a table is kinda just a helper |
| 00:45.56 | Shirik | __index = function(t,k) return myobj[k] end |
| 00:46.03 | Shirik | er |
| 00:46.07 | Shirik | wrong |
| 00:46.09 | Shirik | >.> |
| 00:46.30 | Shirik | __index = function(t,k) return rawget(t,"frame")[k] end |
| 00:46.45 | Shirik | rename t to "self" if it makes more sense |
| 00:47.05 | Cruciformer | and that passes all the args or do I need to put ... in there? |
| 00:47.38 | Shirik | there are no arguments to a call to __index |
| 00:47.43 | Shirik | __index just handles the lookup |
| 00:47.49 | Beladona | it happens on lookup. So when you call -- nm |
| 00:47.55 | Shirik | failure Beladona |
| 00:48.09 | Beladona | meh |
| 00:48.18 | Beladona | trying to code and read at the same time |
| 00:48.26 | Cruciformer | ah ok __index is just returning a lookup to a function, which is then passed all of the original args? |
| 00:49.03 | bleeter | and now from the totally weird bug dept: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717694484&sid=1 -> inviting someone to party put you on their ignore list |
| 00:49.53 | tem | Shirik, __index being a table is faster than it being a function |
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| 00:50.09 | Shirik | yes, but in this case it isn't usable tem |
| 00:50.27 | tem | I wasn't paying attentiont to the discussion >.> |
| 00:50.56 | Cruciformer | so its setmetatable (obj, __index=function()) etc? |
| 00:51.23 | tem | __index is a field on a metatable |
| 00:51.33 | tem | so setmetatable(obj,{__index=funciton()}) |
| 00:52.07 | Beladona | setmetatable(obj,{__index = function(t,k) return rawget(t,"frame")[k] end}) |
| 00:52.18 | Cruciformer | Cool thanks very much guys |
| 00:52.30 | Cruciformer | (and gals and aliens of indeterminate gender) |
| 00:52.37 | Beladona | I sitll need some peeps with a few minutes to form a group with me on Medivh (Horde) |
| 00:52.45 | Shirik | Cruciformer, do you understand why this works? |
| 00:52.48 | Beladona | my guild is useless for helping me code |
| 00:52.57 | Cruciformer | Shirik: Yessir I believe I do |
| 00:53.10 | bleeter | Beladona: moment... |
| 00:53.18 | Cruciformer | I can try explainand you can point out where I am wrong? |
| 00:53.23 | Shirik | sure |
| 00:53.36 | Beladona | preferrably at least 2 people. I need to make sure the spacing between group members is correct |
| 00:54.14 | bleeter | Beladona: yup, just logging now for you :) |
| 00:54.16 | Cruciformer | __index is called whenever you try to call a function in a table that doesn't exist. __index is supposed to lookup a value which is a "pointer" (sorry for terminolofy) to the actual function to call. |
| 00:54.30 | bleeter | gah, goddamn realm change bug AHRGAHRGHARGAHRGARHGAGHRG |
| 00:54.32 | Cruciformer | so when I setmetatable (obj, {__index=function())}) etc ... |
| 00:54.48 | Cruciformer | and I call obj.SetWidth(), it sees that obj has no method called SetWidth |
| 00:54.52 | Beladona | actually 1 person will do. I am gonna showSolo on teh header |
| 00:54.55 | Cruciformer | but sees that the table has __index |
| 00:55.27 | Cruciformer | so it calls __index with SetWidth as an arg, __index then looks for SetWidth() in obj.frame, returns a pointer to that |
| 00:55.31 | Cruciformer | and it then gets called. |
| 00:55.37 | bleeter | Beladona: entering world... |
| 00:55.57 | Shirik | well Cruciformer, why doesn't {__index = myobj.frame} work? |
| 00:56.14 | Cruciformer | because of the first "hiddemn" argument self |
| 00:56.19 | bleeter | Beladona: pst bleeter ;) |
| 00:56.20 | Shirik | no |
| 00:56.28 | Cruciformer | when I call obj:SetWidth(), the setwidth is expecting a self that is the frame |
| 00:56.30 | Shirik | again, __index has no understanding of arguments |
| 00:56.34 | Cruciformer | which wont be true becuase self will be obj |
| 00:56.36 | Shirik | oh actually........ |
| 00:56.39 | Shirik | that's.... |
| 00:56.44 | Shirik | an important point |
| 00:56.51 | Shirik | my code won't work either |
| 00:59.05 | Shirik | setmetatable(obj,{__index = function(t,k) local f = rawget(t,"frame"); local v = f[k]; if type(v) == 'function' then return function(...) return v(f, select(2, ...)); end else return v; end end}) |
| 00:59.08 | Shirik | lol. |
| 00:59.41 | Cruciformer | jesus |
| 00:59.48 | Shirik | this is bad btw |
| 00:59.48 | Cruciformer | say what now? |
| 00:59.56 | Shirik | the above is inefficient |
| 01:01.21 | Shirik | so ok |
| 01:01.29 | Shirik | the purpose of __index is to find something that doesn't exist in the table |
| 01:01.38 | Shirik | the obvious first part: finding the function that you're asking for |
| 01:02.23 | Shirik | the less obvious second part: returning not that function, but rather a function that adapts the return value so that the correct first argument is passed in |
| 01:02.30 | Shirik | recall that the parameter "self" is nothing more than the first argument |
| 01:02.40 | Cruciformer | yup |
| 01:02.59 | Beladona | I have to ask. Why can't you use the actual frame when using the metamethods? |
| 01:03.18 | Cruciformer | Beladona: As it turns out I have just been asking myself the same question :) |
| 01:03.43 | Cruciformer | I dunno why I was nervous adding my own crap to the return value of CreateFrame(). I guess thats an irrational fear. |
| 01:04.28 | Beladona | I mean, worst case scenario you could do something like myobj.SetWidth = function(width) frame:SetWidth(width); end |
| 01:04.36 | Beladona | and do something similar for each method you actually need |
| 01:04.57 | Beladona | but seems like a lot for so little |
| 01:05.13 | Cruciformer | yeah thats the cpnclusion I was stumbling towards |
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| 01:12.54 | Shirik | Cruciformer: more efficient: http://lua.pastey.net/124741 |
| 01:14.28 | Shirik | basically Cruciformer, what Beladona said |
| 01:14.36 | Shirik | the only thing this is doing is actually automating building of those functions |
| 01:15.15 | Shirik | ooh ooh |
| 01:15.17 | Shirik | I have a more efficient way |
| 01:15.21 | Shirik | but it's not reentrant I think |
| 01:15.22 | Shirik | we'll see |
| 01:17.14 | Cruciformer | I was just nervous assigning things like "width" and "items" and "height" to frame. Seems like it could run the risk of clashes, so I will just prefix it with someething, so frame.my-width etc. |
| 01:17.20 | Cruciformer | my_width |
| 01:17.45 | WobWork | bleeter: Do you still play? |
| 01:17.46 | Shirik | Cruciformer, why would that be a problem? |
| 01:18.05 | Shirik | there is nothing IN a frame |
| 01:18.13 | Shirik | Here's a pop quiz, Cruciformer |
| 01:18.18 | Cruciformer | lets say frame.width is used internally by blizzard code. If I set frame.width to something its not expedcting it could cause problems. |
| 01:18.22 | Shirik | What is the return value of type(CreateFrame("FRAME")) |
| 01:18.32 | Cruciformer | table, I think |
| 01:18.40 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:18.52 | Shirik | comprehension question |
| 01:19.07 | Shirik | What is IN that table? |
| 01:19.24 | Cruciformer | stuff :P member os varying types. |
| 01:19.49 | Shirik | nothing |
| 01:19.49 | Shirik | literally, nothing, except a single pointer |
| 01:19.55 | Shirik | CreateFrame("FRAME")[0] is the only thing present inside it |
| 01:20.03 | Shirik | er, frame[0] is |
| 01:20.09 | Shirik | and type(frame[0]) is a userdata |
| 01:20.15 | Shirik | THAT'S where everything's "stored" |
| 01:20.23 | WobWork | Shirik: Shoot the hostage? |
| 01:20.56 | Shirik | simply put, you have access to nothing Blizzard cares about |
| 01:21.29 | bleeter | WobWork: at the moment, yes. today's last day of subs tho, thinking about what to do tomorrow. why you ask? |
| 01:21.49 | bleeter | WobWork: I had cancelled for a li'l while there |
| 01:21.51 | Cruciformer | well that makes things simple then. |
| 01:22.14 | Shirik | LAST NINE DAYS |
| 01:22.17 | Shirik | UP TO 70% OFF |
| 01:22.36 | Dagmar | WHAT is up to 70% off? |
| 01:22.50 | Shirik | scratch and dent appliances! up to 70% off! |
| 01:23.03 | Shirik | they are scratched and dented but they're with full warranty and up to 70% off! |
| 01:23.22 | Dagmar | I'm not sure if this microwave oven is working right... can you just stick your head in and see if hte light comes on while it's running? |
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| 01:24.30 | Shirik | Dagmar, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9tAbLqC9WY& |
| 01:25.43 | bleeter | & ? |
| 01:26.03 | Shirik | yeah, I was deleting part of the URL |
| 01:26.06 | Shirik | and didn't get all of it I guess |
| 01:27.16 | Dagmar | Intersting. |
| 01:27.22 | Dagmar | THey don't have commercials on my TV anymore |
| 01:28.12 | bleeter | :P |
| 01:28.17 | bleeter | Shirik ^^ |
| 01:28.17 | Shirik | You have no idea what it's like |
| 01:28.18 | Shirik | to hear her |
| 01:28.21 | Shirik | every 15 minutes |
| 01:28.33 | bleeter | what's commercial TV? |
| 01:28.36 | Shirik | And say "last 9 days" every day for the past week |
| 01:28.38 | bleeter | shrugs |
| 01:30.30 | Idlemode | not one of those "screamer" warehouse clearance ads, is it? |
| 01:30.49 | Shirik | I think she is the leader of them |
| 01:31.21 | Idlemode | she? gues we're not thinking of the same thing here. |
| 01:31.46 | Shirik | watch the video |
| 01:31.50 | Shirik | you will understand quickly |
| 01:32.25 | Shirik | and don't forget |
| 01:32.27 | Shirik | up to 70% off! |
| 01:32.37 | Idlemode | we have these ads which are basically a montage of giant warehouse shelves with a guy screaming into a mic about all the stuff being sold at low prices, he generally sounds like he's one exclamation mark away from a heartattack... |
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| 01:34.20 | Idlemode | feh, thats nothing. you can still hear yourself think... |
| 01:38.30 | Shirik | Idlemode: The sound is badd |
| 01:38.37 | Shirik | And it's not that |
| 01:38.44 | Shirik | it's that she says 70% off EVERY SENTENCE |
| 01:38.51 | Shirik | and EVERY 15 MINUTES |
| 01:39.01 | Shirik | and it's been "last 9 days" for the past week or two |
| 01:39.04 | Shirik | or year |
| 01:39.26 | WobWork | bleeter: I was looking into some of these proxytunnel services... wowtunnels, 3FL's proxy, lowerping etc |
| 01:39.40 | WobWork | bleeter: was wondering if you had any experience/opinion |
| 01:40.22 | WobWork | Shirik: It reminds me of a company we had here, called "STACKS". It had been closing down and having a sale for at least 5 years |
| 01:40.39 | Codayus | WobWork: I've not use commercial service, but I've used my own, and it helps quite a bit. |
| 01:40.39 | WobWork | and then after that, "STACKS 2!!!" came out |
| 01:41.25 | WobWork | Codayus: what sort of ping reduction do you get? |
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| 01:41.38 | Codayus | Ping goes from...maybe 450ms to 350ms, and while I don't have hard data, it seems to be a lot less spiky. |
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| 01:42.10 | bleeter | WobWork: last I looked, 'node operated one but I've never tried it, or other services. |
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| 01:42.53 | bleeter | 'node still might operate one |
| 01:43.14 | Codayus | I don't normally run WoW except when tunnelling, so haven't check "normal" ping in ages, and just at the moment my ISP is doing something weird so my ping is over 1500ms to ANYTHING overseas, or I'd check now... |
| 01:43.36 | Codayus | ...in fact, this ssh connection to irssi is lagging like crazy, which is makingtyping hard. :-( |
| 01:44.25 | Codayus | What sort of ping do you have, WobWork? |
| 01:44.31 | WobWork | 400ish |
| 01:44.36 | WobWork | nothing terrible |
| 01:44.50 | Shirik | (21:42:40) (bleeter) 'node still might operate one |
| 01:44.52 | Shirik | operate what? |
| 01:44.57 | WobWork | a proxy tunnel |
| 01:45.03 | Shirik | they used to I know |
| 01:45.24 | WobWork | 3FL offer one, which is iiNet and westnet |
| 01:45.32 | WobWork | I'm fairly sure internode do too |
| 01:46.22 | Codayus | Oh, also, depending on your OS, there's some changes to registry setting you can make that can help too. (Mostly for XP.) |
| 01:46.23 | Shirik | wait we're talking about different things here |
| 01:46.24 | Shirik | goes away now |
| 01:46.45 | Shirik | Codayus: I really hope you're not talking about nagle's algorithm |
| 01:46.50 | bleeter | WobWork: nslookup wowgw.internode.on.net |
| 01:47.00 | bleeter | WobWork: they don't operate one... ;) |
| 01:47.08 | WobWork | bleeter: I'm not with internode anyway =) |
| 01:47.11 | Codayus | Shirik: No. |
| 01:47.13 | Dagmar | Shirik: Nah, probably something made from all-natural snakes |
| 01:47.14 | WobWork | I wouldn't mind transferring |
| 01:47.23 | WobWork | but it'd involve far too much downtime |
| 01:47.26 | bleeter | WobWork: from the nslookup, would seem they operate 4 |
| 01:47.37 | bleeter | 150.101.199.58-61 |
| 01:47.58 | WobWork | Dagmar: Once you're immune to the poison, it works really well |
| 01:48.21 | bleeter | WobWork: proxy's in ADL, so if you're East might not help at all |
| 01:49.13 | bleeter | WobWork: http://games.on.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=132915 |
| 01:49.59 | WobWork | is immune to iocane powder |
| 01:50.39 | Dagmar | The _vast majority_ of internet connection "optimizers" are bullshit. |
| 01:50.42 | Dagmar | Nothing more, nothing less. |
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| 01:51.31 | Dagmar | I've seen some so crass as to simply screw around with ICMP so that it reports less time than actually elapsed |
| 01:52.46 | Codayus | Dagmar: Yes. But that doesn't mean you can't optimize a connection for specific purposes via screwing around with low level TCP settings, especially if your using an OS with terribad defaults. I've never heard of an automatic tool which did so though, no. |
| 01:53.01 | Dagmar | Ah yes, please define "terribad defaults" |
| 01:53.13 | Dagmar | ...being that they're just bog-standard IP that will work properly in the majority of cases |
| 01:53.52 | bleeter | WobWork: damn iocaine |
| 01:54.03 | Shirik | (21:50:27) (Dagmar) The _vast majority_ of internet connection "optimizers" are bullshit. |
| 01:54.11 | Shirik | Most of them do what they did with WoW |
| 01:54.15 | Shirik | which is really depressing |
| 01:54.15 | WobWork | bleeter: it's awesome. I kill more Sicilians that way than any other |
| 01:54.27 | Shirik | They make ping times appear lower by making realistic traffic worse |
| 01:54.28 | Dagmar | Mail your password off to someone in China and change the QoS settings of Windows? |
| 01:54.31 | Shirik | take, for example, nagle's algorithm |
| 01:54.35 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:54.38 | Shirik | Disabling nagle's algorithm is great for ping times |
| 01:54.42 | Shirik | It's also horrible for real traffic |
| 01:54.46 | Dagmar | Yeah but fail for everything else |
| 01:54.49 | Dagmar | Good citation |
| 01:55.17 | bleeter | WobWork: hah |
| 01:55.21 | Codayus | Depending on what your doing, small changes to, for example, TCP recieve window size and window scaling WILL have an impact on your connection. Certainly minor, and quite possibly a negative impact, but... |
| 01:55.36 | Codayus | Also, IIRC, Bliz disabled Nagle's algorithm for WoW back in 2.3 or so. Not so? |
| 01:55.41 | Shirik | They did |
| 01:55.47 | Shirik | and I raised a big fuss about it when they did |
| 01:55.51 | Shirik | and I'm still very annoyed about it |
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| 01:56.02 | bleeter | this is all fine and good, I just figure that the oceanic tunnel, operated by the same guys who operate an official blizzard mirror, wouldn't be do anything seriously untoward |
| 01:56.04 | Shirik | However there is a valid argument for it -- WoW is realtime |
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| 01:56.14 | Dagmar | Yeah but that doesn't affect the behaviour of the entire IP stack |
| 01:56.16 | bleeter | if they weren't an official mirror, I might kinda beleive they were doing something dodgy |
| 01:56.22 | bleeter | but seeing they are... /shrug |
| 01:56.32 | Shirik | however I'm on the side of "there is sufficient traffic that nagle's algorithm should not adversely impact the system in any noticable way" |
| 01:56.35 | Codayus | And yes, any global changes you make, even if they improve ONE aspect you care about will harm others. Crippling the speed of large file transfers is a common result, I believe. |
| 01:56.49 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:57.31 | Shirik | personally, I feel that programs like WoW should be using UDP anyway |
| 01:57.31 | roastx | yeah if you make that registry change people make to lower wow pings it nerfs large file xfer speed |
| 01:57.32 | Shirik | even though it would be a nightmare for the developers |
| 01:57.32 | Codayus | HOWEVER, none of that related to tunneling WoW to an exit point near a Bliz data center, which is unquestionably helpful for large numbers of Oceanic types. |
| 01:57.32 | Dagmar | roastx: More importantly, you just waste your time |
| 01:57.41 | Dagmar | roastx: It won't even help WoW |
| 01:57.52 | roastx | it lowered my wow ping |
| 01:57.56 | bleeter | Codayus: I'm fairly certain that's what Internode are doing |
| 01:57.59 | Dagmar | Really |
| 01:58.04 | roastx | but i do a fair amount of torrents so i couldnt keep it |
| 01:58.05 | Dagmar | You tested this with what? |
| 01:58.15 | Shirik | roastx: Exactly |
| 01:58.17 | Shirik | And that's my point |
| 01:58.21 | Shirik | It will make ping times look better |
| 01:58.22 | Shirik | and that's IT |
| 01:58.27 | Shirik | It makes ping times better by destroying everything else |
| 01:58.32 | roastx | ja |
| 01:58.40 | Codayus | How much to trust the wow ping display is...an interesting question, of course. I tend to assume the Quartz lag display is more accurate, and I note it gives quite different results, usually. |
| 01:58.48 | Shirik | ^ |
| 01:59.00 | Shirik | because there is a lot more information that is sent when you cast a spell |
| 01:59.01 | Dagmar | No, I'd say the bigger problem is that WoW already disables it on their sockets |
| 01:59.06 | Codayus | Since delays on my spells matter a whole freaking lot, and everything else...doesn't. :) |
| 01:59.13 | Dagmar | So whatever you do to the registry and OS about that will have zero effect |
| 01:59.25 | roastx | my routing got changed like 2mths ago or something i get 200-300ms :| |
| 01:59.50 | WobWork | that's good! |
| 01:59.57 | roastx | my casttimes were faster in quartz as well |
| 02:00.09 | Dagmar | That's illusory |
| 02:00.21 | Dagmar | Again, WoW already disables that |
| 02:01.15 | Codayus | Dagmar: WoW disbale's Nagle's algorithm. It does not, however, AFAIK, screw around with any other TCP stack settings. Some of which, especially in XP SP2 or earlier, had defaults which were probably suboptimal. |
| 02:01.28 | Shirik | Codayus: It is already disabled |
| 02:01.35 | Shirik | you cannot override wow |
| 02:01.37 | Dagmar | Codayus: If you're on an ATM relay maybe |
| 02:01.40 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:01.41 | Shirik | I misread |
| 02:01.54 | Codayus | Which is why the defaults changed in later versions of Windows, and from all reports, is a lot better at tuning them. |
| 02:02.02 | Dagmar | Every version of XP I've used uses boring standard MSS and MTU sizes |
| 02:02.10 | Dagmar | ...unless your network driver came from red china. |
| 02:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1359863&cid=29335219 |
| 02:02.47 | Dagmar | Windows users report a lot of things. |
| 02:02.48 | roastx | vista/7 does auto-tunin dont it |
| 02:03.05 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: hehe |
| 02:03.16 | Dagmar | roastx: It does shaping, which Microsoft is very willing to try to make sound like more than it actaully us |
| 02:03.44 | Shirik | Dagmar: Isn't it 1500? |
| 02:03.49 | Dagmar | Windows has been shaping traffic almost ever since they added windowsupdate as an automatic feature, just to keep it from strangling modem connections |
| 02:03.54 | Dagmar | Shirik: Exactly |
| 02:04.12 | Shirik | Don't most routers block anything above 1500 anyway? |
| 02:04.28 | Dagmar | They fragment things larger than their MTU, as they're supposed to, IF they can actually do it |
| 02:04.46 | Dagmar | THeyv'e got the option of sending back a packet that says basically "SMALLER PKTS PLZTHX" |
| 02:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | longs for proper large packet support |
| 02:05.03 | Dagmar | I used to use this to annoy the crap out of people |
| 02:05.20 | Shirik | sets MTU on his router to 500 |
| 02:05.24 | Dagmar | Spoof messages to them that look like their router has an absurdly small MTU |
| 02:06.23 | Dagmar | Fragmentation has a special place in my heart, since for a few years it was considered to expensive to have routers cache packets for longer than an eyeblink |
| 02:06.44 | Dagmar | ...so if you forcibly fragmented your stuff in creative ways, you could fool all sorts of "firewalls" |
| 02:07.08 | Dagmar | Now, just about everything with more power than a wristwatch will defragment packets they recieve and then send them on only once they're entirely reassembled |
| 02:07.43 | Dagmar | shakes his cane |
| 02:08.06 | Dagmar | Back in the day you could look at a packet stream and maybe get hints as to the type of connecting equipment on the other end so you could tune your attacks for maximum saturation |
| 02:08.31 | Jerub | our nasty interview questions include a tcpdump of a tcp connection that dies because ICMP need-to-fragment packets are being blocked by an interim router. |
| 02:08.46 | Dagmar | Jerub: Not a bad question, since that used to be an epic problem |
| 02:08.52 | Jerub | used to be? |
| 02:08.56 | Jerub | man. I wanna live in your world. |
| 02:09.08 | Dagmar | So many people decided that since one type of ICMP was being abused, they should just dump ALL ICMP at their border routers |
| 02:09.09 | Jerub | grumbles about monkeys configuring ciscos. |
| 02:09.10 | Dagmar | ...which was fail |
| 02:09.27 | Dagmar | Beat those admins to death |
| 02:09.32 | Dagmar | It'll be for their own good. |
| 02:09.32 | Jerub | yes, we've tried. |
| 02:09.46 | Jerub | we explained the problem to them, and their management. so they came up with a solution. |
| 02:09.49 | Dagmar | You want to borry my lead pipe collection? |
| 02:10.12 | Jerub | on all the OTHER routers they put a MSS of 1400 on so that ICMP need-to-fragment packets never got sent, so they never got blocked. |
| 02:10.16 | Dagmar | Lemme guess, was it "design the network to always work correctly in all cases so ICMP isn't needed?" |
| 02:10.18 | Jerub | ./facepalm |
| 02:10.26 | Dagmar | hah |
| 02:10.32 | Dagmar | That'll work but it's jacked |
| 02:11.12 | Jerub | our most recent hire looked at that question, researched it, didn't get the path mtu thing, and focused on that it was a tcp connection downloading an image from a http server. |
| 02:11.29 | Dagmar | Did he have a CCNA? |
| 02:11.31 | Jerub | so installed and configured snort (for the first time), and replicated the problem and showed packet dumps. |
| 02:11.50 | Dagmar | Haha you like how many rules it comes with by default? |
| 02:11.53 | Jerub | we gave him the job because while it wasn't the right answer, it showed aptitude. |
| 02:11.58 | Jerub | snort? yeah, it's hilarious. |
| 02:12.12 | Codayus | Heh |
| 02:12.13 | Dagmar | Yeah if he can learn he's probably a head up on the management people who decided changing the MTU to 1400 was a good idea |
| 02:12.28 | Dagmar | Jerub: every time I set it up it seems to get worse and worse |
| 02:12.43 | Dagmar | Like, why do I give a rats ass about exploits against a wombatron 68000? |
| 02:12.52 | Jerub | the really worst part is that everyone uses snort, so they advertise we have XX rules. which is +/- 100 of the published set. |
| 02:12.58 | Jerub | and everyone wants more rules, not more reliable rules. |
| 02:13.18 | Jerub | the WoW rules in snort only detect failed logins, not legit logins, even though there's a rule there for it. |
| 02:13.52 | Dagmar | I take the rules for things that could cause me a problem, and a few select rules to catch low-hanging fruit who have clearly no idea what they're doing with their click tewls, and the rest goes to the old bit bucket |
| 02:14.22 | Dagmar | If someone's trying to send my network windows messaging spam, I don't care. |
| 02:14.39 | Dagmar | It's not going through the firewall, nothing on the inside would be listening for it anyway, it's just wasting log space |
| 02:17.36 | WobWork | likes the wombatron 68000 |
| 02:17.45 | WobWork | It's like a tiny mobile tank |
| 02:18.03 | WobWork | with a laser beam attached to the forehead |
| 02:18.34 | Dagmar | heheh |
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| 02:22.15 | Duman | hmm |
| 02:22.45 | Duman | so passing a bogus event hook name to GetFramesRegisteredForEvent() causes the client to 132-error |
| 02:22.56 | Shirik | orly |
| 02:23.03 | Shirik | access violation? |
| 02:23.03 | Duman | yeah |
| 02:23.08 | Duman | basically |
| 02:23.09 | Shirik | What's the exception code? |
| 02:23.14 | Shirik | No seriously, I want to know |
| 02:23.21 | Shirik | because that could be very bad |
| 02:23.22 | Duman | yes,a ccess violation |
| 02:23.32 | Duman | I tested on the PTR, too |
| 02:23.34 | Shirik | does it give you more information? |
| 02:23.35 | Duman | here's the dump from teh PTR |
| 02:23.36 | Duman | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception |
| 02:23.36 | Duman | Exception:0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:007FAAF1 |
| 02:23.43 | Shirik | like what address was attempted? |
| 02:23.45 | Duman | yeah I can pastry the full dump if you want |
| 02:23.50 | Shirik | that would be awesome |
| 02:23.54 | Duman | k 1 sec |
| 02:24.02 | Shirik | also if you give me the name that you tried |
| 02:24.16 | Shirik | actually I should just do this myself |
| 02:24.18 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717353772#11 |
| 02:24.29 | Duman | that's not the FULL dump, but I can pastey the rest if you want |
| 02:24.45 | Duman | and yes, trivial to reproduce |
| 02:25.04 | Shirik | Computer: BLUESCREEN |
| 02:25.06 | Shirik | lol. |
| 02:25.11 | Duman | yes, I am a dork :P |
| 02:25.15 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 02:25.20 | Shirik | my startup screen used to be an image of a bluescreen |
| 02:25.23 | Duman | hehe |
| 02:26.37 | bleeter | BSOD << best screwnsaver evr |
| 02:27.23 | kd3 | whee |
| 02:27.30 | kd3 | is controlling his directv box from his computer |
| 02:28.25 | Duman | nice |
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| 02:29.47 | roastx | indirecttv? |
| 02:30.12 | Duman | heh |
| 02:30.30 | bleeter | Duman: now, I ain't seen debug dump info detail for some time.. but.. I gotta ask: "Total lua memory: 11082KB " << really? no addons? |
| 02:31.03 | bleeter | coz that's like over 9000! |
| 02:31.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 11082/1024 |
| 02:31.15 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 10.822265625 |
| 02:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | eh, considering things like the combatlog, that's really not bad |
| 02:32.23 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: spoil all my fun :P |
| 02:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw you trollin' |
| 02:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hatin' |
| 02:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Dirty rollin' |
| 02:33.32 | Shirik | hm |
| 02:33.37 | Shirik | oh well, seems benign Duman |
| 02:33.56 | Duman | ahh |
| 02:34.04 | Duman | well, still ... probably shouldn't be crashing the client ;) |
| 02:34.06 | Shirik | also, I think I pissed off the server |
| 02:34.13 | Duman | LOL |
| 02:34.14 | Shirik | I'm going to need to try a wireshark analysis here |
| 02:34.21 | Shirik | I think I just found something really funny |
| 02:34.48 | Duman | uh oh ;) |
| 02:35.25 | WobWork | was it a clown? |
| 02:35.43 | Shirik | omfg |
| 02:35.45 | Shirik | it really does |
| 02:35.50 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 02:35.56 | Shirik | this is awesome |
| 02:35.57 | WobWork | two clowns? |
| 02:36.07 | Shirik | and the server is in fact responding |
| 02:36.12 | Duman | o.O |
| 02:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | What'd you do? |
| 02:36.38 | Shirik | wow. |
| 02:36.57 | Shirik | AddFriend(("A"):rep(10000000)) attempts to send a 10MB request for a friend |
| 02:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, subtle |
| 02:37.42 | batrick | i bet you could do some fun things with that |
| 02:37.47 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:37.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Wonder if that works on live realms |
| 02:38.09 | Duman | what the........ |
| 02:38.09 | Shirik | that's where I'm doing it |
| 02:38.10 | batrick | Shirik: I graded 10 discrete math papers (of 60) in a grand two hours |
| 02:38.11 | batrick | jealous? |
| 02:38.11 | Duman | that's not good |
| 02:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | loooooooool |
| 02:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | bug reports forum for you |
| 02:38.35 | Shirik | I am going already |
| 02:38.41 | kd3 | wtfs again |
| 02:38.49 | Duman | the server doesn't dump you? |
| 02:38.57 | kd3 | is this 'let's break wow again in new and exciting ways night'? |
| 02:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: it's probably for the best |
| 02:39.44 | Shirik | kd3: Someone else broke it, and then I went off on a fuzzifying spree |
| 02:41.18 | Recluse | Could anyone explain to me why two identical numbers would not be >= to each other? pastey.net/124746 |
| 02:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeaah, that is definitely not subtle |
| 02:42.42 | kd3 | my first answer would be 'screw you, floats!' but I'm not sure that's appropriate here |
| 02:42.51 | kd3 | does some math in his head |
| 02:43.02 | Guillotine | Anything worth looking at other than Duman's GetFramesRegisteredForEvent crash and Shirik's AddFriend problem? |
| 02:43.18 | Guillotine | was afk at dinner, so hasn't seen everything said in the past while |
| 02:43.18 | Shirik | I've analyzed the GetFramesRegisteredForEvent crash |
| 02:43.32 | Shirik | based on my limited knowledge, it seems benign |
| 02:43.39 | Shirik | in that it will crash the client, but offers no exploitability |
| 02:43.59 | WobWork | ~125 - (10 + (2 * 2) + 1.5) |
| 02:44.21 | purl | 109.5 |
| 02:44.21 | Guillotine | Either way, (client crash == bad) |
| 02:44.21 | kd3 | lua> 125 - (10 + (2 * 2) + 1.5) |
| 02:44.21 | lua_bot | kd3: 109.5 |
| 02:44.26 | Shirik | true Guillotine |
| 02:44.33 | Shirik | but it's not "omg must patch right away or people are screwed" |
| 02:45.04 | batrick | Shirik: what is the GetFramesRegisteredForEvent crash? |
| 02:45.10 | batrick | I reported a bug in that a year or so ago |
| 02:45.17 | Shirik | lol. |
| 02:45.30 | Shirik | in that if the event name is invalid, it dies? |
| 02:45.37 | batrick | ah no not that one |
| 02:45.43 | Shirik | ok well that's the crash :P |
| 02:45.44 | Duman | yeah, taht was my point... didn't seem like a massively ZOMG FIX NOW issue, but user actions should be crashing the client ;) |
| 02:45.51 | Duman | *should NOT |
| 02:45.56 | Duman | breaks his fingers |
| 02:46.00 | Shirik | I agree Duman |
| 02:46.01 | batrick | I reported one where if it fucks up if it returns too many frames |
| 02:46.09 | Duman | yeah that was the one I was thinking of |
| 02:46.16 | Duman | I referenced it in my post before my last post |
| 02:46.20 | Duman | that was back in 2.3 |
| 02:46.22 | Shirik | however, whenever I see a segmentation fault, I instantly go into security analysis mode :) |
| 02:46.22 | kd3 | lua> local t,n=109.5=9.95 for i=1,10 do print t; if t>=n then t = t-n else print t,n end end |
| 02:46.23 | lua_bot | kd3: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '=' |
| 02:46.29 | kd3 | grr |
| 02:46.31 | Shirik | because segfaults are often a precursor to security vulnerabilities |
| 02:46.35 | kd3 | lua> local t,n=109.5,9.95 for i=1,10 do print t; if t>=n then t = t-n else print t,n end end |
| 02:46.35 | lua_bot | kd3: luabot:1: '=' expected near 't' |
| 02:46.41 | batrick | That unpack bug would let you get the registry |
| 02:46.47 | batrick | but I never explored it very much in wow |
| 02:46.54 | batrick | I got tired of wow crashing in my tests |
| 02:47.00 | Shirik | yeah it takes a while to get back in |
| 02:47.05 | batrick | + they patched it _Very_ quickly |
| 02:47.09 | batrick | i was suprised |
| 02:47.24 | Recluse | kd3: should be 10.95 as the second value |
| 02:47.47 | batrick | man that motorola sholes android phone for verizon is lookin good =) |
| 02:47.50 | kd3 | sigh, I shouldn't be doing basic math while intoxicated |
| 02:47.59 | batrick | I hope it doesn't get gutted by Verizon too much |
| 02:48.54 | Recluse | lua> local t,n=109.5,10.95 for i=1,10 do if t>=n then t = t-n else print(t,n) end end |
| 02:48.54 | lua_bot | Recluse: 10.95, 10.95 |
| 02:49.04 | bleeter | Shirik: cute, on the 10MB thing |
| 02:49.05 | Recluse | :) |
| 02:49.36 | bleeter | kd3: is there any other time to do it? |
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| 02:49.54 | kd3 | I'll answer that when I'm slightly less intoxicated |
| 02:50.05 | Recluse | but 10.95 < 10.95 is false >.> |
| 02:50.19 | kd3 | so then, I'll go back to my original answer |
| 02:50.22 | kd3 | screw you, floats! |
| 02:50.26 | Recluse | lmao |
| 02:50.55 | Recluse | some kind of strange Lua bug or something? |
| 02:51.08 | Duman | comparing "=" floats is tricky |
| 02:51.15 | WobWork | wait wait |
| 02:51.19 | WobWork | it'll never print out the last line |
| 02:51.26 | Recluse | it did, though lol |
| 02:51.28 | WobWork | cause it runs out of timer |
| 02:51.29 | WobWork | no |
| 02:51.32 | WobWork | that's the next to last line |
| 02:51.40 | WobWork | try 1,11 |
| 02:52.09 | Recluse | lua> local t,n=109.5,10.95 for i=1,11 do if t>=n then t = t-n else print(t,n) end end |
| 02:52.09 | lua_bot | Recluse: 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95 |
| 02:52.26 | WobWork | er |
| 02:52.53 | Recluse | :) it's evil |
| 02:53.25 | Duman | uh |
| 02:53.32 | WobWork | there's a logic error here |
| 02:53.37 | WobWork | but I can't place it |
| 02:54.56 | WobWork | lua> local t,n=109.5,10.95 for i=1,11 do if t>=n then t = t-n; print(t,n) else print("out",t,n) end end |
| 02:54.56 | lua_bot | WobWork: 98.55, 10.95, 87.6, 10.95, 76.65, 10.95, 65.7, 10.95, 54.75, 10.95, 43.8, 10.95, 32.85, 10.95, 21.9, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, out, 10.95, 10.95, out, 10.95, 10.95 |
| 02:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 125 - (10 + (2 * 2) + 1.5) |
| 02:55.18 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 109.5 |
| 02:55.59 | Recluse | this equation thing has been annoying me all night lol. i've no clue how to fix it |
| 02:56.06 | kdtresh | try it from 1 to 10 |
| 02:56.38 | kd3 | lua> local t,n=109.5,10.95 for i=1,10 do print(n) if t>=n then t = t-n else print(t,n) end end |
| 02:56.39 | lua_bot | kd3: 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95 |
| 02:56.43 | kd3 | er |
| 02:56.44 | WobWork | lua> local t,n=109.5,10.95 for i=1,10 do if t>=n then t = t-n; print(t,n) else print("out",t - n) end end |
| 02:56.44 | kdtresh | hmm |
| 02:56.45 | lua_bot | WobWork: 98.55, 10.95, 87.6, 10.95, 76.65, 10.95, 65.7, 10.95, 54.75, 10.95, 43.8, 10.95, 32.85, 10.95, 21.9, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95, out, -1.7763568394003e-14 |
| 02:56.49 | WobWork | rofl |
| 02:56.54 | kd3 | lua> local t,n=109.5,10.95 for i=1,10 do print(t) if t>=n then t = t-n else print(t,n) end end |
| 02:56.55 | Recluse | whoa lol |
| 02:56.55 | lua_bot | kd3: 109.5, 98.55, 87.6, 76.65, 65.7, 54.75, 43.8, 32.85, 21.9, 10.95, 10.95, 10.95 |
| 02:57.06 | kdtresh | maybe i shouldn't just walk into math conversations, lol |
| 02:57.07 | WobWork | we have ... a float error here =P |
| 02:57.12 | kd3 | so |
| 02:57.15 | Recluse | what's that -1.77 stuffs! |
| 02:57.15 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:57.17 | kd3 | "screw you, floats!" |
| 02:57.18 | WobWork | screw you floats |
| 02:57.59 | kdtresh | so 10.95 - 10.95 = -1.776e-14? |
| 02:58.00 | Duman | huh |
| 02:58.03 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:58.08 | kdtresh | i must have missed that class |
| 02:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 10.95-10.95 |
| 02:58.08 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 0 |
| 02:58.10 | WobWork | maybe you should math.round stuff |
| 02:58.12 | Jerub | sounds right. |
| 02:58.23 | Duman | does the same thing in perl |
| 02:58.41 | Guillotine | Recluse: If you want a hacky way around it, use tonumber(tostring(t)) >= tonumber(tostring(n)) |
| 02:58.52 | Recluse | holy cow |
| 02:59.08 | Recluse | converting it back and forth makes it work? o.O |
| 02:59.12 | Guillotine | You get the reverse error when dealing with negative 0. |
| 02:59.43 | Jerub | to check for equivilence when dealing with float arithmatic you really do need to check that it's < epsilon. |
| 02:59.45 | kdtresh | what happens if you do a while t >= n instead of for i=1,11 ? |
| 03:00.08 | Duman | yeah, comparing floats as "=" is dangerous |
| 03:00.13 | Duman | because of stuff like this ;) |
| 03:00.27 | Guillotine | lua> a, b = 0/5, 0/-5; print(a == b, tostring(a) == tostring(b)) |
| 03:00.33 | lua_bot | Guillotine: true, true |
| 03:00.50 | Recluse | ah yeah, that number/string trick seems to do it. |
| 03:01.03 | Recluse | it's not a high-throughput function, so it should be okay to use |
| 03:01.17 | Guillotine | remembers that the 0/-0 problem only happens in some modes |
| 03:02.06 | Guillotine | Using epsilon would work as well, so it depends on whether you want (10.95 == 10.950000000000000000000001) |
| 03:02.41 | Recluse | pfft, so stupid though. |
| 03:02.47 | Recluse | T_T |
| 03:03.03 | steev | hmm so if you have rez sickness you don't give any honor at all to the opposite faction? |
| 03:04.05 | Recluse | thanks for taking a look at least everyone, and the trick Guillotine. =3 |
| 03:04.27 | Guillotine | Recluse: np :) |
| 03:04.55 | Jerub | steev: that's right. |
| 03:05.45 | bleeter | facepalm moment of the year? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717393853&sid=1 |
| 03:06.56 | WobWork | that's OVER NINE THOUSAND! |
| 03:09.34 | Idlemode | ouch... |
| 03:09.41 | Duman | ouch |
| 03:09.42 | Duman | alho |
| 03:09.53 | Duman | altho... who asks to "see how much gold" someon ehas? |
| 03:09.54 | Duman | really? |
| 03:09.54 | Jerub | hm, why would you ever really need that much gold? |
| 03:10.15 | Jerub | i guess if you were buying mats for enchants off the AH. |
| 03:10.45 | bleeter | gah one day I'll work out this fkn beancounter+linux crash |
| 03:10.50 | bleeter | driving me bloody crazy |
| 03:10.53 | Hjalte | Duman: Can I see your passwords? |
| 03:11.06 | Duman | hehe |
| 03:11.09 | bleeter | if I could fix two things, it'd be that crash... and the realmchange bug |
| 03:11.18 | bleeter | Hjalte: yeah, it's duman123, everyone knows it |
| 03:12.17 | Guillotine | bleeter: What realmchange bug? |
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| 03:12.41 | bleeter | Guillotine: sometimes, more often than not, pressing 'realm change' just makes the client sit there like a dumb shit |
| 03:12.47 | bleeter | have to relog then press 'change realm' |
| 03:13.04 | bleeter | Guillotine: makes a pain in the butt collecting data for auctioneerdb.com |
| 03:13.35 | bleeter | intermittent, too.. I've tried lots of things to see if there's any consistency to it. doesn't seem to |
| 03:13.35 | Guillotine | Weird... I've never seen that bug :( |
| 03:13.57 | bleeter | do you change realms often? |
| 03:14.10 | bleeter | couple of people here have mentioned it, I think a CSF GM mentioned it too |
| 03:14.23 | bleeter | prolly not something one notices unless need it frequently =) |
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| 03:23.38 | ajmitch | bleeter: the beancounter crash being when you check your mail? |
| 03:23.47 | bleeter | ajmitch: yeah |
| 03:23.55 | bleeter | when there's stuff from AH |
| 03:24.08 | Pytlask | Does anybody know if you get extra xp as well as extra honor during a BG holiday weekend? |
| 03:24.31 | ajmitch | it's been annoying as hell for me, though intermittent |
| 03:24.53 | bleeter | ajmitch: seems to only happen for me in Wine |
| 03:25.33 | ajmitch | I only use wine, but it doesn't happen on every character - I don't think I've seen it on my DK |
| 03:25.43 | ajmitch | though I'm a couple of wine releases behind now |
| 03:25.53 | bleeter | I thought it was interaction with another addon, but I'm still not 100% convinced |
| 03:26.01 | bleeter | near 100% convinced it's AH interaction |
| 03:26.24 | bleeter | ie, receipt scanning. turned off the receipt scan code, and it wouldn't crash |
| 03:26.48 | Shirik | UP TO 70% OFF |
| 03:26.50 | Shirik | LAST NINE DAYS! |
| 03:27.11 | bleeter | ajmitch: I've been talking with kandoko about it from time to time, been driving me crazy since... as long as I care to remember |
| 03:28.03 | ajmitch | yet I do most of my AH trading on my DK & have rarely seen it on there. it puzzles me |
| 03:31.08 | Shirik | well that was cool |
| 03:31.14 | Shirik | WoW just closed |
| 03:31.17 | Shirik | no crash message, no nothing |
| 03:31.43 | Recluse | eesh |
| 03:32.26 | Duman | o.O |
| 03:32.48 | Duman | hmm, I should go level my DK, before they nerf XP in AV |
| 03:32.52 | Duman | I mean, *cough* |
| 03:33.44 | Duman | leveling my DK to 80 in the beta was a Bad Move, as far as leveling a DK once wrath went live, went ;) |
| 03:34.02 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:34.04 | Duman | wow, that was a terrible sentence.. |
| 03:34.06 | Duman | anyway |
| 03:34.18 | Shirik | wow's process ID is 666464 |
| 03:34.21 | Shirik | I think that's why it died |
| 03:34.31 | Duman | teh debil |
| 03:35.08 | Yssaril | Shirik: happens to about 1-3 times a night usually during zoneing |
| 03:36.53 | Shirik | lua> string.byte('A') |
| 03:36.54 | lua_bot | Shirik: 65 |
| 03:38.29 | WobWork | happens to me |
| 03:38.36 | WobWork | you can only change realm on login |
| 03:38.37 | Shirik | well |
| 03:38.40 | Shirik | this was triggered by me too |
| 03:38.41 | WobWork | if you camp and try, it fails =( |
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| 03:41.32 | dardack_ | can anyone tell me how to reset the position of the battlefieldminimap, when i click shift-m nothing happens |
| 03:42.51 | Lukian | dardack_, right click the tab and select "unlock"? |
| 03:43.19 | dardack_ | Lukian: what tab? i mean it doesn't show up |
| 03:45.40 | Shirik | Dagmar: ping |
| 03:45.44 | Yssaril | dardack_: check your keybinds and make sure it is still bound to that |
| 03:45.52 | dardack_ | it is |
| 03:45.54 | Shirik | nm |
| 03:45.56 | dardack_ | when i have my world map open |
| 03:46.02 | Shirik | Dagmar: RST |
| 03:46.02 | dardack_ | it goes from never show to always show |
| 03:46.06 | dardack_ | but nothing ever shows |
| 03:53.30 | WobWork | hehe, WMO have the google ads at the bottom advertising ShamWow =P |
| 03:53.56 | Idlemode | hehe |
| 03:54.01 | WobWork | but honestly ffs, it's not a "Shammy" it's a "Chamois" |
| 03:57.23 | steev | would you prefer they spelled it ChamWow? |
| 03:59.08 | WobWork | yep |
| 03:59.37 | WobWork | well, it's more that they say: ShamWow Absorbent Shammy |
| 03:59.49 | WobWork | It's fine in the product name |
| 03:59.58 | WobWork | but not as the actual item description |
| 04:00.16 | WobWork | cause people who have never encountered shamwow before would have no idea what a 'shammy' is |
| 04:00.29 | WobWork | and esp since it's lnked off a WoW stat site... =P |
| 04:01.01 | Shirik | is there a way to view the stack in Visual Studio? |
| 04:01.04 | Shirik | like not the call stack |
| 04:01.07 | Shirik | but the actual stack itself |
| 04:01.31 | Idlemode | peek its address in memory? |
| 04:03.34 | Shirik | that's what I'm doing now but it's really annoying |
| 04:04.40 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717564785&pageNo=1#0 |
| 04:04.46 | batrick | install gdb... o wait |
| 04:04.51 | batrick | =) |
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| 04:10.00 | WobWork | hm, what's the stat site that takes into account disc shields |
| 04:10.59 | Jerub | grins. |
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| 04:11.55 | Jerub | looks like Chamois is an available toon name. |
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| 04:12.19 | Jerub | considers making a belf hunter named chamois just to confuse everyone. |
| 04:13.00 | Shirik | batrick, you are evil |
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| 04:13.43 | WobWork | I had a shammy named Chamois |
| 04:14.03 | Duman | hehe |
| 04:14.09 | WobWork | except now I have a Snuu naming scheme |
| 04:14.32 | WobWork | Snuusnu, Snuustome, Snuupy, Snuuker, Snuufur... |
| 04:14.50 | WobWork | makes it easier for the guild to track alts =P |
| 04:15.04 | Jerub | we have a guy who names all his alts starting with 'dawn' |
| 04:15.13 | Jerub | which got confusing when we got someone else who had 'dawnflight' |
| 04:15.21 | WobWork | we have one who names all her alts *blossom |
| 04:15.22 | Jerub | so i alwyas confuse the two people. |
| 04:15.28 | Kraps | whats chamois? |
| 04:15.38 | WobWork | ~wiki chamois |
| 04:15.48 | Jerub | Kraps: a chamois is pronounced 'shammy' and it's an extremely absorbent cloth. |
| 04:15.57 | Jerub | Kraps: I use one to dry my car after i wash it. |
| 04:16.05 | WobWork | it's technically the skin from the animal |
| 04:16.17 | Jerub | i have an artificial chamois. |
| 04:16.18 | Corrodias | why don't we use chamoises for all absorbency purposes? |
| 04:16.18 | WobWork | but nowadays, it's all fake |
| 04:16.22 | tekkub | yea it's not cloth unless it's a shitty knockoff |
| 04:16.31 | Jerub | Corrodias: because getting the blood out is annoying. |
| 04:16.33 | Jerub | and they don't have wings. |
| 04:16.34 | WobWork | Corrodias: cause it's not disposable? |
| 04:16.38 | WobWork | sphagnum core? |
| 04:16.46 | Corrodias | what core? |
| 04:16.56 | WobWork | sphagnum! |
| 04:17.07 | tekkub | you're also not supposed to use real chamois in the kitchen and all that |
| 04:17.09 | Corrodias | i mean, we have towels. why do we have cloth towels? why don't we have chamoiseies? |
| 04:17.37 | WobWork | because while they're absorbent, they're not warming |
| 04:17.57 | tekkub | that and have you seen how much big chamois cost? |
| 04:17.59 | WobWork | terrytowel can warm you up when you dry yourself, cause the water wicks to the base |
| 04:18.09 | Corrodias | ah |
| 04:18.10 | tekkub | you can get "bath sheets" for like $5 at walmart |
| 04:18.15 | WobWork | and you'd rub a rash into yourself if you used a chamois |
| 04:18.21 | WobWork | because it's -that- absorbant |
| 04:18.53 | WobWork | also yeah, expensive =) |
| 04:19.43 | Corrodias | ah |
| 04:20.19 | Dagmar | I dunno about warming up... stopping the cooling effect of the evaporating water for sure tho |
| 04:20.32 | Dagmar | I have a badly-placed AC vent in my bathroom. |
| 04:20.54 | tekkub | AC doesn't belong in bathrooms :P |
| 04:21.03 | Dagmar | There's times of the year I'd almost rather go outside and whizz on a tree |
| 04:21.21 | Dagmar | tekkub: You have to get air circulating in there or you get lovely mildew from all the humidity |
| 04:21.33 | tekkub | pfft, whiner |
| 04:22.51 | Dagmar | Yeah but my bathroom is almost back to brand-new status |
| 04:23.36 | WobWork | You know how you take a towel, put it behind your back, grip both ends and scrub back and forth? |
| 04:23.41 | Dagmar | I've re-sealed the ceiling (yay for popcorn ceilings in bathrooms when they didn't use a freaking latex paint)... I've recaulked everything, replaced the shower curtain rod and towel hangers, added more hooks for "things" etc etc |
| 04:23.45 | WobWork | to dry your back |
| 04:23.53 | WobWork | do that with a chamois, and you'll get burns =P |
| 04:24.08 | Dagmar | It won't dry you for beans either |
| 04:24.21 | WobWork | there's more surface area in contact than a terrytowel has |
| 04:24.34 | Dagmar | I think thems is called "carpet burns" |
| 04:24.37 | WobWork | yeh |
| 04:28.16 | WobWork | I have a shammy 80 healer |
| 04:28.25 | WobWork | should I go druid tree as my druid offspec |
| 04:28.28 | WobWork | or beartank |
| 04:33.22 | Shirik | fuck you DEP |
| 04:33.41 | Shirik | DEP is blocking me from executing my exploit against my program :( |
| 04:33.53 | Shirik | And it took me forever to figure out I was doing everything right :( |
| 04:34.11 | Shirik | Nice to see DEP works though |
| 04:34.19 | Jerub | WobWork: what's your on-spec? |
| 04:34.30 | Jerub | boomkin? |
| 04:35.27 | Cairenn | Ackis: why are you trying to stir up shit? |
| 04:36.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:36.22 | Jerub | Cairenn: ? |
| 04:36.38 | Cairenn | neither of you are named Ackis :p |
| 04:36.56 | Jerub | Cairenn: but unlike ackis, both of us have been active in the last 10 hours. |
| 04:38.34 | Jerub | lol @ today's ctrl-alt-delete. |
| 04:38.47 | WobWork | Jerub: yeah |
| 04:39.24 | Jerub | WobWork: tree offspec will mean you can share most gear because it'll all be spirit/spellpower until you regear. |
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| 04:40.09 | WobWork | I have a thing about learning a spec before 80 =) |
| 04:40.24 | WobWork | especially for stuff I'm not versed in |
| 04:40.26 | WobWork | like ragetanking |
| 04:40.43 | WobWork | but yeah, I take your point. |
| 04:40.51 | WobWork | it helped with my shammy being resto/ele |
| 04:41.11 | Kraps | huh... girls of WoW, and they're all nekkid |
| 04:41.16 | Jerub | i have 25ish slots because i've got gear for dps/tank/heal on me all the time. |
| 04:41.36 | Jerub | Kraps: do we have to put $5 in the garter so they'll put clothe sback on? |
| 04:41.50 | Kraps | theres no draenei and be, lame |
| 04:42.19 | WobWork | Kraps: but there's gnome and tauren |
| 04:42.22 | WobWork | ? |
| 04:42.26 | Kraps | yes |
| 04:42.43 | Kraps | all 8 original races |
| 04:43.38 | Kraps | i would link it but i'm afraid of corrupting young minds |
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| 04:46.49 | WobWork | I'm at work |
| 04:46.55 | WobWork | I'd not be able to look at it anyway |
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| 04:48.10 | Kraps | this is sfw but try to not let the cuteness get to your head http://cridhe.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-lvl-22-rogue-18518763 |
| 04:48.13 | Shirik | batrick: How good are you with shellcode, etc. |
| 04:48.28 | kd3 | sfw, on deviantart? |
| 04:48.48 | WobWork | kd3: It's happened! |
| 04:48.54 | Kraps | kd3: its possibe |
| 04:48.57 | Shirik | kd3, all my stuff is sfw :( |
| 04:49.26 | Kraps | Shirik: you have stuff on DA? |
| 04:49.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:49.36 | Kraps | linky plz |
| 04:49.41 | Shirik | http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/ |
| 04:51.00 | WobWork | I'm sorry Shirik, but the "*master" pseudonyms make me cringe =) |
| 04:51.06 | Shirik | it's about a 6 year old name |
| 04:51.07 | Shirik | I know |
| 04:51.10 | Shirik | I would change it if I could |
| 04:51.36 | Kraps | 86122 deviations for world of warcraft |
| 04:51.39 | Jerub | 6 year old? |
| 04:51.46 | Jerub | that's practically a million years. |
| 04:51.48 | Kraps | 86120 popular deviations submitted in all of time for world of warcraft |
| 04:53.54 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 04:53.55 | Kraps | nice photos Shirik |
| 04:53.56 | Fisker | i love you |
| 04:54.48 | Shirik | thanks Kraps |
| 04:55.20 | Kraps | but you need B&W photos of naked women to make a legit "photography" account in DA ya know |
| 04:55.40 | Mehmode | sepia works, too |
| 04:56.09 | WobWork | just take a photo of a goth |
| 04:57.41 | batrick | I wish I could fast forward to October |
| 04:59.32 | WobWork | This year has gone fast enough as it is |
| 05:01.09 | Kraps | this is a pretty awesome photo-realistic drawing of Jaina |
| 05:01.45 | Kraps | http://cocoasweety.deviantart.com/art/Jaina-Proudmoore-62189924 |
| 05:01.47 | Adys | !api skill |
| 05:01.47 | lua_bot | Found 67 possible matches for 'skill'. Please be more specific |
| 05:01.50 | Adys | !api skill_show |
| 05:01.51 | lua_bot | TRADE_SKILL_SHOW: Fires when the player begins interaction with a trade skill recipe list (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/TRADE_SKILL_SHOW) |
| 05:04.58 | Adys | relink from.. i forgot, might have been wob a few days ago |
| 05:05.03 | Adys | but if you havent watched it |
| 05:05.04 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q&feature=channel |
| 05:05.23 | WobWork | nods |
| 05:06.39 | Adys | it was you? |
| 05:07.58 | WobWork | yep |
| 05:08.05 | Adys | Im awesome |
| 05:08.32 | WobWork | well chances are good that an awesome link would come from me =) |
| 05:09.30 | WobWork | I work hard to subscribe to only the best RSS feeds =P |
| 05:10.01 | Adys | we all thank you for your public services |
| 05:13.58 | Shirik | "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn DEP off for this program." |
| 05:14.00 | Shirik | What kind of crap is this |
| 05:14.25 | Jerub | chortles. |
| 05:15.04 | Dagmar | "We know our software is dangerously unstable. We're taking steps to avoid you having a reason to talk about us on SecurityFocus until we can hire coders who can count buffer lenghts." |
| 05:15.39 | WobWork | 1....2.....3.....4......many..... lots |
| 05:15.55 | Mehmode | 1, 2, many. |
| 05:16.19 | Shirik | but |
| 05:16.20 | Shirik | what's the point |
| 05:16.26 | Shirik | you can't guarantee everyone has DEP |
| 05:16.30 | Shirik | can you? |
| 05:16.48 | kaiden | Shirik, is your zip extractor for minion available open source to look at? |
| 05:16.58 | Shirik | I don't see why it can't be |
| 05:17.13 | Dagmar | Where's the module that installs Healbot |
| 05:17.16 | Dagmar | I wanna remove it |
| 05:17.22 | Dagmar | I r not heeler |
| 05:17.44 | kaiden | minion defaults to healbot for a lot of addons it seems hehe |
| 05:17.45 | Jerub | Dagmar: just disable it in oyur addons menu on the signin screen. |
| 05:17.48 | kaiden | shirik, that would be great |
| 05:17.59 | Kraps | i am so freaking jealous of these artists /sigh |
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| 05:22.05 | Dagmar | Jerub: It's been done |
| 05:22.34 | Dagmar | It just makes me wonder... if it installed healbot, did it actually update the thing it's supposed to update |
| 05:23.11 | Dagmar | I generally update everything manually but I gave the minion another shot two nights ago because I saw there were new modules available |
| 05:25.55 | Kraps | night |
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| 05:45.53 | kaiden | Dagmar, there are? |
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| 05:47.55 | zenzio | so I was looking at my Gmail spam folder, checking it before clearing it |
| 05:48.08 | zenzio | and it had mistakenly flagged a recommendation from Amazon.co.uk as spam |
| 05:48.16 | zenzio | the book's title was "Professional Penetration Testing" |
| 05:48.37 | kaiden | lol |
| 05:50.23 | WobWork | zenzio: the subtitle for the book was naturally "ALL NIGHT LONG" |
| 05:50.50 | Yssaril | http://i28.tinypic.com/t50xvr.jpg <-- what font color whould make the boss names easier to read? |
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| 05:51.08 | kaiden | a font outline |
| 05:51.25 | Adys | Anyone ingame able to test something? |
| 05:51.26 | kaiden | no color change needed just add a thin outline to the font |
| 05:51.30 | Yssaril | already has the thin outline and the think one looks crappy as hell |
| 05:51.36 | Adys | try going to darnassus right outside the temple of the moon |
| 05:51.37 | Dagmar | Yssaril: Anything at least 30 degrees different |
| 05:51.45 | Adys | this shit makes my fps drop from 140 to 5-10 |
| 05:51.54 | Adys | looking at the ground |
| 05:51.58 | Yssaril | Dagmar: explain? |
| 05:52.15 | Dagmar | Color separation, but a drop shadow works |
| 05:53.41 | Yssaril | hmmm shadowing it might help |
| 05:54.35 | kaiden | hrm i saw an addon a few days ago that will make it so when you have a glyph that makes it not cost reagents for a spell it would remove the count from the spell when it's on your bar |
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| 05:54.41 | kaiden | but i can't remember for the life of me the name |
| 05:56.57 | kaiden | Yssaril, is this a new addon you are working on? |
| 05:57.07 | Yssaril | kaiden: yea |
| 05:57.31 | kaiden | whatcha gonna call it so i can keep an eye out for it |
| 05:57.54 | Yssaril | right now i named it YssInstanceMaps :P that might change though |
| 06:03.47 | Yssaril | shit just double checked and i must have revereted the outline thing a while back /sigh that makes it look alot better (the "OUTLINE" one) http://i30.tinypic.com/8yt2py.jpg <-- check that out |
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| 06:05.56 | kaiden | pretty cool |
| 06:09.33 | Yssaril | just have to map out the naxx and ulduar bosses then add PT support to pull in boss loot :) |
| 06:11.15 | WobWork | Yssaril: is this a new atlasloot? =) |
| 06:13.08 | Shirik | Um |
| 06:13.11 | Shirik | I feel really stupid for asking this |
| 06:13.18 | Shirik | SlashCmdList["Foo"] = function() ... end |
| 06:13.24 | Shirik | SLASH_FOO1 = "/foo" |
| 06:13.26 | Shirik | what's wrong? |
| 06:14.05 | Yssaril | WobWork: i wouldn't go that far |
| 06:14.11 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:14.15 | Shirik | What's wrong is I didn't have ##Interface in the addon |
| 06:14.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 06:14.43 | Yssaril | just uses the blizzard maps and ands bosses to them and pulls in loot info from PT if it finds any |
| 06:17.08 | Yssaril | anyways enough headaches for one day (model frames are a friggin pain) i'm going to bed night all |
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| 06:26.32 | Shirik | lua> string.byte('x'), string.byte('F') |
| 06:26.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: 120, 70 |
| 06:26.37 | Jerub | does anyone know a forum or somewhere where there's a good writeup of H ToC? |
| 06:26.38 | Shirik | bah |
| 06:26.40 | Shirik | wtb hex |
| 06:39.03 | Dagmar | Jerub: WoWWiki should have reasonable detail on it |
| 06:39.24 | Jerub | reading now |
| 06:39.25 | Dagmar | Are you having trouble running it or are you just doing general research? |
| 06:39.46 | Dagmar | I think I could probably do it without the screen active at this point |
| 06:40.02 | Jerub | i'm having trouble healing it. |
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| 06:40.23 | Dagmar | If you're having trouble healing at the third phase of the Black Knight, that part's just going to be a bitch |
| 06:40.24 | Jerub | I can't argent confessor paletress has managed to wipe every group i've tried to heal. |
| 06:40.33 | Dagmar | Oh paletress! |
| 06:40.37 | Dagmar | Her and her freaking holy slaps |
| 06:40.57 | kaiden | any rogues out there? |
| 06:41.00 | Jerub | yeah. i've healed through the black knight phase 3, that's just a matter of keeping the hots up |
| 06:41.19 | kaiden | i'm having an issue, i have a macro that pick pockets then casts cheapshot, for some reason though fairly often i notice it pick pockets but doesn't actually loot the loot |
| 06:41.22 | kaiden | and just closes the window |
| 06:41.23 | Jerub | (and retaining the innervate cooldown) |
| 06:41.28 | kaiden | any ideas of a way around that? |
| 06:41.31 | Dagmar | Aside from just the general issue of her holy smites while you're shooting at the big nasty, the main thing that gets people there just seems to be folks fail at changing targets |
| 06:42.03 | Dagmar | kaidan: None I know of. That loot window will close when you attack no matter what afaik |
| 06:42.19 | Dagmar | If you've got 'em both int he same macro, that's likely to continue to be an issue |
| 06:42.22 | kaiden | yeah but they were supposed to have made the auto loot take effect before that does |
| 06:42.33 | kaiden | this used to work fine so i'm assuming it's a recent change |
| 06:42.33 | Dagmar | Yeah but auto-loot takes time if there's more than one item |
| 06:43.14 | Dagmar | Jerub: I'm wagering you're getting people being slow to change targets to DPS the summoned mob |
| 06:43.33 | Dagmar | They're always mean but I've not seen them do much aside from slap the tank around and follow the normal aggro rules |
| 06:43.34 | Jerub | yeah, and it's always the dratted healer's fault. |
| 06:43.40 | Dagmar | No it's not |
| 06:43.57 | Dagmar | it's frequently the fault of anyone who manages to grab threat who isn't the tank there |
| 06:43.58 | kaiden | it's always the other persons fault, not the person actually causing it |
| 06:44.20 | Dagmar | I've pugged that thing inr egular mode dozens of times |
| 06:44.21 | kaiden | we had a stupid ass druid last night who couldn't heal to save his life kept killing us in freakin regular ToTC on the 3 horde champions |
| 06:44.28 | kaiden | and he couldn't keep us up |
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| 06:44.38 | Dagmar | There's plenty of people who get to 80 and beyond not knowing how to actually _moderate_ their DPS |
| 06:44.39 | Codayus | Heh, ouch |
| 06:44.39 | kaiden | kept blaming me the tank, then started blaming the dps |
| 06:44.46 | Jerub | kaiden: did you have the rogue? |
| 06:44.47 | kaiden | finally we told him to get lost |
| 06:44.49 | Codayus | To be fair, if you get the rogue, the damage output is fairly high. :) |
| 06:44.56 | kaiden | jerub, yes |
| 06:45.05 | Dagmar | Codayus: Yeah but Jerub was talking about having issues with Paletress |
| 06:45.06 | Jerub | because I've found as a druid healer against the rogue you get much higher survivability if the tank kites the bosses. |
| 06:45.15 | Dagmar | Jerub: You guys aren't doing the middle group last are you?' |
| 06:45.36 | Jerub | Dagmar: shit no. |
| 06:45.40 | Dagmar | Okay cool |
| 06:45.51 | Jerub | but i have done all three groups at once followed by agroing the boss as soon as the last monk was down. |
| 06:45.56 | Jerub | on norm. |
| 06:46.03 | Dagmar | 'cuz that thing could be trickier if people aren't good and far away when Paletress actually engages |
| 06:46.09 | Jerub | I didn't elect to do a second round of that with that group. |
| 06:46.10 | Dagmar | Oi! |
| 06:46.32 | Dagmar | You might want to make a habit of having a HoT going on the tank every time she mass-fears people |
| 06:46.48 | Dagmar | Seems like that is as on as regular a timer as Eadric |
| 06:46.53 | Jerub | I try and hit wild growth before that, and i always have rejuv/regrowth on the tank. |
| 06:47.04 | Dagmar | So like, who's dying first generally? |
| 06:47.12 | Codayus | Hmm, what's funny is...I've yet to see paletress on heroic. It's just eadric the pure, over and over and over... :-/ |
| 06:47.17 | Jerub | dps/tank/me usually. |
| 06:47.26 | Jerub | Codayus: I want to be you. |
| 06:47.27 | Dagmar | Codyaus: Lately it seems like it. They're trying to tease me with that achievement |
| 06:47.37 | Dagmar | How are *you* dying? |
| 06:47.40 | Codayus | Also ran normal ToC a million time (roughly) and haven't seen a single trinket of ANY type drop. |
| 06:48.00 | Jerub | as soon as there are three guys left, i get 1/3 instead of 1/5th of her random holy smites, and that just nails me. |
| 06:48.01 | Codayus | The entire instance hates me, IMHO. |
| 06:48.02 | Dagmar | The DPS should not die first unless it's to Paletresses holy bitchslap |
| 06:48.04 | kaiden | i just started running ToTC normal for my paladin as a tank to get the trinket |
| 06:48.10 | kaiden | done it about 7 or 8 times so far |
| 06:48.23 | WobWork | I just run as a shammy healer |
| 06:48.26 | WobWork | or run with a shammy =) |
| 06:48.30 | Jerub | Codayus: i have seen every trinket except for the banner and the tank trinket. |
| 06:48.33 | Dagmar | If your DPS people are taking hits from that shadowy spook at all, order them to GET RANGE |
| 06:48.54 | Codayus | I eventually gave up and got the "real" +int trinket with triumph badges. :-/ |
| 06:48.54 | Dagmar | When he boots the tank if they're near him in the aggro tables, they will cross that line quick as anything |
| 06:48.56 | WobWork | I much prefer Easydric the Pure |
| 06:49.14 | Dagmar | ...and they'll probably be closer to the boss than the tank is after a good punt, which means, stupid DPSer who can't _moderate_ sucks down a bunch of hits they didn't need to |
| 06:49.17 | Jerub | yeah, easy mode eadric is sweet and easy. |
| 06:49.32 | Jerub | but as a druid healer i have to brief every paladin in the party individually on their cleansing duties. |
| 06:49.35 | WobWork | esp as a healer =) |
| 06:49.39 | Dagmar | WobWork: It's a hokey-pokey now for me once I've realized I can actually avoid turning, ever |
| 06:49.39 | Jerub | and even then, i get them getting one-shotted by thehammer. |
| 06:49.59 | Jerub | Dagmar: you mean running past the boss for the 'pure light' bit/ |
| 06:50.09 | WobWork | Jerub: a -pally- getting oneshot by the hammer? |
| 06:50.09 | Dagmar | Running past? |
| 06:50.18 | Dagmar | You just have to look *away* if you're not in Big Red Mode |
| 06:50.25 | Jerub | WobWork: no, the clothies getting oneshot because they didn't have the stun removed. |
| 06:50.27 | Dagmar | WobWork: Clothadins I'll bet |
| 06:50.31 | WobWork | Jerub: You can face away the -entire- fight =) |
| 06:50.33 | WobWork | as the healer |
| 06:50.36 | Jerub | lol |
| 06:50.36 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 06:50.45 | Jerub | WobWork: that's awesome. I'll remember that. |
| 06:50.49 | Dagmar | Yeah I have a cowworker who doesn't even know what some bosses look like |
| 06:51.00 | Dagmar | His machine's low-spec, so he just gets in a corner and faces the wall most of the time |
| 06:51.02 | WobWork | I have that issue as a tank. All the bosses look like crotch |
| 06:51.14 | WobWork | and as a healer, every encounter looks like Grid |
| 06:51.33 | Dagmar | WobWork: Yeah I tried to play a gnome in first person view in EQ and had to stop because it was took much like ScrotumQuest |
| 06:51.36 | Dagmar | I feel your pain |
| 06:51.56 | Jerub | i use healbot |
| 06:52.03 | Jerub | i've not tried grid. any good? |
| 06:52.20 | kaiden | grid is great if real estate is your problem |
| 06:52.23 | Dagmar | Jerub: Watch Omen very closely and don't be afraid to jump people's butts if they are encroaching on the tank in that fight |
| 06:52.26 | kaiden | otherwise i dig vuhdo/healbot |
| 06:52.49 | Codayus | WobWork: You can't face away the entire fight as a disc priest; pennance turns you back around. :-) |
| 06:52.55 | Dagmar | If your DPSers are being hit there, they need to get over their tiny epeen problems and learn to MOVE AWAY |
| 06:52.59 | Jerub | i did my first 25's the other night with healbot, and it was very whackamole. |
| 06:53.11 | kaiden | heh that's healing for you |
| 06:53.11 | Jerub | didn't really know what i was doing so i just threw rejuvs on anyone with damage. |
| 06:53.31 | Codayus | And yes, Grid is incredibly good if configured properly. I've not tried Healbot, so won't comment. |
| 06:53.32 | Jerub | Dagmar: but she throws damage around like a drunk sailor. |
| 06:53.32 | Dagmar | Jerub: This goes DOUBLE for any rogues you're packing or "DPS specced" offtanks |
| 06:53.42 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah, but she only does it so often |
| 06:53.44 | Jerub | Dagmar: and it doesn't matter about agro, does it? |
| 06:53.53 | Dagmar | Yeah who she nukes has to be random |
| 06:54.04 | Dagmar | I don't know if you can weasel out of a bit by trying to be out of her range or not |
| 06:54.07 | Dagmar | It might help |
| 06:54.14 | Jerub | holy smite range is 50 yards. |
| 06:54.18 | Jerub | holy fire range is 30 yards |
| 06:54.20 | Dagmar | SCrwe that then |
| 06:54.30 | Dagmar | She'll never let you get that far away I think |
| 06:54.43 | Jerub | not and still be able to heal the tank, no. |
| 06:54.46 | WobWork | yeah |
| 06:54.51 | Jerub | the fear is 40 yards. |
| 06:54.57 | WobWork | tremor totem! =) |
| 06:55.28 | Dagmar | If you have BM hunters, they can ride out those fears |
| 06:55.36 | Dagmar | It seemed like I got away with using Deterrence there |
| 06:56.03 | Dagmar | I know that Bestial Wrath + Beast Within means a BM hunter will get to skip every other fear phase |
| 06:56.47 | Jerub | as a druid healer, is it possible to remove the fear debuff? |
| 06:56.49 | Dagmar | That would be one of the few places I'd say that chain misdirecting might not be so bad |
| 06:57.04 | Dagmar | I don't know... It doesn't last terribly long |
| 06:57.23 | Dagmar | ...and I've never had the mob come after me then so it must still be following aggro rules with the tank |
| 06:57.36 | Jerub | when i don't have anyone to cleanse edrics stuns, i use my insignia of the horde to handle his hammer of the richous. |
| 06:58.00 | Dagmar | Deterrence for me. :) |
| 06:58.15 | Dagmar | I wish it would just immediately bounce back at his face from that tho |
| 06:59.05 | Dagmar | Ooof |
| 06:59.22 | Dagmar | something else I just realized might work there, but you don't have it |
| 06:59.27 | Jerub | well, you just have to whack '1' and it does ;) |
| 06:59.32 | Jerub | what's that? |
| 06:59.41 | Dagmar | I'll have to remember to get my guild leader to drop that bubble on the tank and see what happens |
| 06:59.44 | Jerub | i'm all for conducting a blackboard session with my pug before doing arun. |
| 07:00.09 | Dagmar | He occasionally does some damn spell on me that makes me invulnerable, but also stops me shooting, and it's hard to see |
| 07:00.33 | Dagmar | Do what i do when I'm feeling butch |
| 07:00.41 | Dagmar | Tell them to turn on their voicechat so they can hear you |
| 07:01.23 | Dagmar | There's guys out there who still don't realize some basic positioning stuff because they've been playing with twinks forever |
| 07:01.58 | Jerub | voicechat? |
| 07:02.06 | Dagmar | Yes, the client has builtin voicechat |
| 07:02.19 | Dagmar | It might not be the greatest for that, but it makes a damn fine *intercom* in a pinch |
| 07:02.20 | kaiden | albeit widely unknown and kinda crappy |
| 07:02.21 | kaiden | :p |
| 07:02.30 | kaiden | blizzard should give it some love |
| 07:02.34 | kaiden | and it'd easily replace vent |
| 07:02.37 | Jerub | it does? |
| 07:02.42 | Dagmar | It does |
| 07:02.46 | Jerub | astounding. |
| 07:02.47 | Jerub | i never knew |
| 07:02.48 | Dagmar | You can even enable it on global chat channels |
| 07:02.53 | Jerub | Dagmar: oh good lord. |
| 07:02.54 | kaiden | you can? |
| 07:02.56 | Dagmar | ...which is a good way to freak people out |
| 07:03.07 | Dagmar | Not the builtins |
| 07:03.11 | Jerub | i finally got our vent guy to set up a speex room. |
| 07:03.17 | Jerub | so now when i'm using vent they can talk to me. |
| 07:03.21 | Jerub | or be in the standard room which is GSM. |
| 07:03.24 | Dagmar | If you type say, "/join HunterChat" |
| 07:03.24 | Jerub | ... great. |
| 07:04.14 | Dagmar | Your vent client is broken somehow? |
| 07:04.35 | Jerub | i'm on a mac |
| 07:04.42 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 07:05.06 | kaiden | oh you said global chat channel.. DERHH |
| 07:05.09 | kaiden | i'm half asleep |
| 07:05.10 | kaiden | :P |
| 07:05.17 | kaiden | i thought you meant general |
| 07:05.18 | kaiden | hehe |
| 07:05.26 | kaiden | i'm like wtf.. no you can't |
| 07:05.38 | Dagmar | It would be well |
| 07:05.49 | Dagmar | _extremely retarded_ for Blizz to do that |
| 07:06.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: just like general! |
| 07:06.12 | Dagmar | Like, did you happen to get your hands on a PS3 shortly after the launch of Sony@Home? |
| 07:06.33 | Dagmar | Gabriel's Greater Internet F**kwad Theory in spades |
| 07:06.41 | Dagmar | ...and if you think the trolls in /2 are bad *now* |
| 07:06.48 | kaiden | i haven't turned on my ps3 in over ayear |
| 07:06.49 | kaiden | :P |
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| 07:06.56 | kaiden | until they crack it i dont like it |
| 07:07.01 | Dagmar | That their voices are high and squeaky just encourages them |
| 07:07.22 | Dagmar | Imagine if they could inflict their voices on unsuspecting people |
| 07:07.25 | Dagmar | *nightmare* |
| 07:07.53 | Dagmar | That was Sony's little virtual cybermall 90% of the time until they said "Nope. Bad idea. Turning it off." |
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| 07:08.05 | Dagmar | You could speak and anyone near your avatar would hear you |
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| 07:08.46 | kaiden | i hear nintendo has a new system in the works that will fix the #1 complaint about their company being douchebags |
| 07:09.03 | Dagmar | A game suitable for adults? |
| 07:09.05 | kaiden | it will contain a new graphics engine, not just a reused N64/Gamecube system |
| 07:09.27 | kaiden | it's kinda lame they keep doing that, i mean i love the innovation on the controller woo woo n stuff |
| 07:09.30 | kaiden | but make it PRETTY |
| 07:09.42 | Dagmar | The controller electronics are actually, um, kinda crude |
| 07:09.59 | kaiden | but they work |
| 07:10.01 | kaiden | and that's what matters |
| 07:10.02 | kaiden | :P |
| 07:10.04 | Dagmar | It looks like the companies they had make some of those chips took that money and went and developed substantially better chips |
| 07:10.28 | Dagmar | ...so like, you can buy stuff from SparkFun now and make controllers that are incredibly more sensitive |
| 07:11.08 | Dagmar | #1 failure of those things... Link's sword |
| 07:11.28 | Dagmar | It immediately made the accellerometer look like a gimmick |
| 07:11.47 | Dagmar | ...cuz basically, you flail and he flails. You try something specific, and he just ignores you. |
| 07:12.48 | Dagmar | If Sony's not just trying to make Nintendo look old and slow, they look like they'll have a much better controller out rather soon |
| 07:13.15 | Dagmar | ...something capable of being used for more than just flailing and fapping motions (Mario Party) |
| 07:18.56 | wsoul | WobWork: ping |
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| 07:41.36 | Jerub | http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z167/Great_WhiteSnark/zombie_nomz_cake.jpg |
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| 07:53.59 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'createFont': Frame:CreateFontString, CreateFont |
| 07:54.06 | batrick | !api CreateFont |
| 07:54.06 | lua_bot | CreateFont: Creates a new Font object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFont) |
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| 08:14.19 | batrick | Shirik and I win! |
| 08:14.27 | batrick | high fives Shirik. |
| 08:14.34 | Shirik | cheers at batrick |
| 08:23.37 | Fisker | slaps batrick around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:23.38 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:32.33 | Bibi | Fisker |
| 08:32.37 | Bibi | find where my code bugs :( |
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| 08:34.34 | Mikk | fisker does not code. fisker does not debug. his only existance in these channels is to troll. |
| 08:35.16 | Adys | Mikk, find where Bibi's code bugs |
| 08:35.20 | Adys | he's annoying me with it |
| 08:53.21 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/09/events-win-national-lottery/ |
| 08:54.03 | Adys | "Wednesday nights jackpot stands at £2.4million, but C4 bosses have banned Brown from buying a ticket." |
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| 08:59.23 | tekkub | there is something sad about MP3 players advertising "100 songs" at 192kbit, ~4min per song |
| 08:59.41 | nevcairiel | isnt that like nothing these days? |
| 08:59.55 | tekkub | I have only ~500 ALBUMS, at probably doube that bitrate, and most songs >4min I'd think |
| 09:00.15 | nevcairiel | my guess the 100 songs is what, 512mb player? |
| 09:00.18 | nevcairiel | thats so tiny :P |
| 09:00.51 | tekkub | at least it has an SD slot so you can toss more memory at it |
| 09:02.16 | wsoul | If you spec as blood (tank) you still use frost presence right? |
| 09:02.57 | olafski | yes |
| 09:03.06 | tem | wow. |
| 09:03.07 | olafski | you always use frost presence when tanking |
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| 09:04.16 | wsoul | k... giving it a try |
| 09:04.28 | wsoul | blood talent tree rocks for dpsing |
| 09:04.48 | wsoul | thought of giving it a shot with tanking as well =) |
| 09:05.03 | olafski | all trees work I'd say |
| 09:06.40 | wsoul | yes, except with unholy you need a lot of enchants/gems to cap expertise hit etc to get enough aggro |
| 09:07.05 | tem | so |
| 09:07.07 | tem | much |
| 09:07.09 | tem | ignorance |
| 09:07.11 | tem | it hurts me |
| 09:07.24 | wsoul | heh |
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| 09:12.51 | Fisker | Mikk IRC is not an IDE |
| 09:12.53 | Fisker | just so you know |
| 09:13.11 | Corrodias | compiles with IRC |
| 09:13.24 | Mikk | Integrated Development Environment |
| 09:13.31 | Mikk | lua> print("It is!") |
| 09:13.32 | lua_bot | Mikk: It is! |
| 09:13.43 | Corrodias | gets a linker error in Fisker. unresolved external "not sucking"! |
| 09:14.18 | Fisker | Mikk another pro-tip, lua_bot isn't IRC either |
| 09:15.03 | Cruciformer | morning all |
| 09:15.47 | Fisker | gentleCruciformer |
| 09:15.52 | Mikk | And yes, DK is retarded, all trees work for tanking and dpsing. |
| 09:16.04 | Mikk | You maybe pick slightly different talents, but they all work for both roles. |
| 09:16.51 | Mikk | I have to say unholy is freaking annoying though. Dots on everything. |
| 09:17.05 | Mikk | It's worse than deep wounds :P |
| 09:17.10 | Cruciformer | I have so never been tempted to roll a DK |
| 09:17.21 | Cruciformer | mind you I never rolled any alts at all, one druid is enough |
| 09:17.23 | Mikk | Me neither but only because I know it'd be my fourth tank. |
| 09:17.44 | Mikk | Fifth if you count the shaman tanking up to SM |
| 09:17.59 | Cruciformer | im enjoying the piss out of being doomkin again |
| 09:18.00 | Mikk | Sixth if you count the BM hunter tanking everything below 60 >.< |
| 09:18.52 | Mikk | (Goddamn but lowlevel BM hunters are broken these days.) |
| 09:19.04 | industrial | how so |
| 09:19.25 | Cruciformer | i am soooolucky a druid was the first class I chose. I chose it out of complete ignorance but now I am so glad I did, I absolutely love being a druid. |
| 09:19.53 | Corrodias | i certainly enjoyed the druid when i played |
| 09:20.26 | Mikk | industrial: the dps is quite lol, combined with having a perfectly workable tank for instances |
| 09:20.26 | Mikk | not to mention what you do soloing |
| 09:20.26 | Mikk | ride around and collect 5-10 mobs, dismount, use thunderclap on pet, VOOOLLLLEEEEY HOO |
| 09:20.27 | Corrodias | getting to play several different playstyles with one character |
| 09:20.37 | Mikk | thunderstomp even |
| 09:20.39 | Cruciformer | Corrodias: what was your main spec? |
| 09:21.16 | Corrodias | before BC it was a combo of feral/resto, after BC it was balance until i decided we needed another tank, so i did full feral |
| 09:21.26 | Mikk | pop mend pet and start looting. when you're done looting, the pet has full health again, ride around and collect more mobs. |
| 09:21.44 | Cruciformer | I was feral pre wotlk, then doomkin till ulduar, then tank for ulduar, now doomkin/tank |
| 09:22.07 | Mikk | and yeah my main is a druid also as of tbc launch |
| 09:22.19 | Mikk | done all roles, and I guess that's the reason I haven't gotten bored |
| 09:22.37 | Cruciformer | I have only 1 single complaint about druids tbh |
| 09:22.46 | Mikk | need more bagspace? =P |
| 09:22.57 | Cruciformer | they are such a versatile class they ecsel at nothing except healing |
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| 09:23.16 | Mikk | nothing wrong with kitty dps |
| 09:23.20 | Cruciformer | but cat dps while good, isnt as good as a rogue |
| 09:23.24 | Mikk | owl dps is ok too as of 3.2 |
| 09:23.32 | Cruciformer | and balance dps is cool but nowhere near a mage or lock |
| 09:23.43 | Mikk | bollocks, it's near enough |
| 09:23.49 | industrial | MM hunter ftw :D |
| 09:23.55 | Wobin | http://www.unbearably.net/blogfiles/simplecatdps.jpg |
| 09:23.57 | Cruciformer | no u r right nothing wrong but they wont top the meters. well a cat might if u have sucky other players |
| 09:24.55 | Mikk | LMAO |
| 09:24.58 | Cruciformer | im having a hard time breaking 5K at the moment but my gear isnt exactly top-notch |
| 09:25.15 | Mikk | awesome chart =) |
| 09:25.24 | Cruciformer | yeah I seen that before its so true :) |
| 09:25.48 | Cruciformer | i think effective cat dps is one of the more difficult rotations, second prolly only to an affliction lock |
| 09:25.49 | wsoul | my gear isn't great and my ap is 4490 =) |
| 09:26.01 | wsoul | i just have two pieces t8.5 |
| 09:26.03 | Mikk | yeah maxing cat dps is NOT easy |
| 09:26.21 | wsoul | it isn't if you want to cap this and that. |
| 09:26.41 | industrial | lol nice Wobin |
| 09:26.45 | Cruciformer | it would be a lot easier if savage roar was pasive |
| 09:26.55 | Mikk | need to constantly track 3 timers, energy status, combo points |
| 09:27.05 | Mikk | and predict what will happen 5-10-15 seconds in the future |
| 09:27.05 | wsoul | Wobin: hey... just specced as blood tank |
| 09:27.12 | Cruciformer | that alone would make things so much better |
| 09:27.32 | wsoul | Wobin: only thing i need to know is the rotation.. the GCD is a pain for me now |
| 09:28.09 | Mikk | having said that, you don't exactly lose shitloads of dps if you fail at maxing |
| 09:28.14 | Cruciformer | my one wish for cat dps would be savage roar auto-proced each time you did a finishing move |
| 09:30.05 | Cruciformer | god but I <3 quart |
| 09:30.09 | Cruciformer | *quartz |
| 09:30.28 | wsoul | EBB/Sexymap =) |
| 09:30.36 | Wobin | wsoul: no idea for a blood tank |
| 09:30.50 | Wobin | I wouldn't say it differs too much from the dps rotation though |
| 09:30.58 | Wobin | except putting in runic strike as a RD |
| 09:31.04 | wsoul | Wobin: just did tank toc hc.. was ok just need to know the exact rotation my problem was the gcd |
| 09:31.13 | wsoul | hmm |
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| 09:31.58 | wsoul | IT PS HS HS HS DS dump |
| 09:31.58 | wsoul | is my dps rotation |
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| 09:32.11 | olafski | oO |
| 09:32.13 | olafski | that's 7 runes |
| 09:34.10 | wsoul | mad dps =) |
| 09:34.37 | wsoul | i started as unholy dps, switched to tanking now tank/dps i enjoy dpsing more somehow |
| 09:34.59 | wsoul | just need to get into a grp of ppl with brain to do ulduar |
| 09:35.12 | wsoul | i still haven't done ignis... i personally linked the vid |
| 09:35.53 | wsoul | ppl still fail at thadius and the guild i'm with is very small friday uldu was canceled and yesterday as well |
| 09:36.02 | wsoul | i hope they do eoe today |
| 09:36.16 | Cruciformer | best program ever: RAWR |
| 09:36.33 | olafski | I like tanking and dps both wsoul :} |
| 09:36.36 | olafski | and healing on my priest |
| 09:36.50 | wsoul | yeah i like them both but dpsing more cause haven't done that for a while |
| 09:36.57 | wsoul | i started dpsing like a week ago |
| 09:37.03 | olafski | same, my guild is tiny also so I've been forced to tank lately |
| 09:37.38 | wsoul | warrior or dk btw? |
| 09:37.42 | olafski | DK |
| 09:37.53 | wsoul | aah |
| 09:37.54 | olafski | I have a warrior too but only like tanking on that.. dps seems a bit boring |
| 09:38.12 | olafski | it's damn easy to get into pugs as a tank too, that's nice ;p |
| 09:38.16 | wsoul | i am leveling up warrior/rogue |
| 09:38.21 | olafski | ^^ |
| 09:38.24 | olafski | I'm leveling a mage and a shaman atm |
| 09:38.30 | wsoul | yeah except pugs are lame on kazzak |
| 09:38.36 | olafski | and a warlock when I feel like it |
| 09:38.47 | olafski | ..and a second DK on another realm :) |
| 09:38.57 | wsoul | won the legs in naxx25 and yet he did gave it to his friend "two of his friends equipped level 70 items" |
| 09:39.15 | olafski | oO |
| 09:39.22 | wsoul | is why i dispise pugs |
| 09:39.29 | wsoul | rarely pug a raid |
| 09:39.35 | olafski | yeah I never do |
| 09:39.39 | olafski | unless I'm really bored |
| 09:39.48 | olafski | but I told my guild I don't want to raid anymore |
| 09:40.03 | wsoul | well i hate it when none raids in the guild or they do random raids voa silently etc |
| 09:40.14 | olafski | =) |
| 09:40.32 | olafski | I for some reason like soloing and playing my alts a lot more than raiding |
| 09:40.40 | wsoul | ah |
| 09:40.54 | wsoul | i like doing diff things |
| 09:40.58 | olafski | used to like raiding in vanilla |
| 09:41.13 | olafski | but ever since I started playing again last november or so, raiding just doesn't feel right anymore |
| 09:41.27 | wsoul | hehe i know what you mean |
| 09:41.46 | olafski | think my guild will fall apart now though :P |
| 09:42.24 | wsoul | we've got 2 healers, 4 tanks now and lame dps |
| 09:42.29 | olafski | :) |
| 09:42.33 | olafski | 3 healers 1 tank and some dps here |
| 09:42.36 | wsoul | ulduar and 1.5k i think |
| 09:42.44 | wsoul | oh |
| 09:42.47 | wsoul | you win :( |
| 09:42.54 | olafski | most of them are good players |
| 09:43.06 | wsoul | the opposite here |
| 09:43.06 | olafski | and I used to tank when I still raided so we could sometimes get a full raid for ulduar or totc |
| 09:43.14 | olafski | but especially totc pissed me off so much I stopped completely :P |
| 09:43.32 | wsoul | 1 healer is "decent" 1 tank i know he's okie the other doesn't know what he's doing dk sadly |
| 09:43.46 | olafski | bad dks should be banned from playing |
| 09:43.48 | wsoul | dpsers link recount stats if they're on top |
| 09:43.49 | olafski | they give us a bad name :P |
| 09:43.55 | olafski | haha |
| 09:43.59 | olafski | recount :< |
| 09:44.11 | olafski | gotta love people in pugs asking for "recount pls?" 3 times in 1 heroic |
| 09:44.17 | olafski | if you care that much why not install it yourself :( |
| 09:44.19 | wsoul | hehe |
| 09:44.27 | olafski | and usually they're like 3rd in damage anyway :P |
| 09:44.31 | wsoul | i hate recount and achievement system |
| 09:44.39 | wsoul | got no ach nope you cannot do toc 10 |
| 09:45.00 | olafski | well it's a nice way to check if someone's done something before imo |
| 09:45.06 | olafski | but you shouldn't take it too far |
| 09:45.15 | olafski | lfm deadmines link achi :) |
| 09:45.27 | wsoul | yeah ppl on kazzak take it way too far |
| 09:45.42 | wsoul | no ach don't even bother /w or i will come and hunt you down and kill you |
| 09:45.48 | olafski | :D |
| 09:45.55 | wsoul | considering moving t oa diff realm and change faction even |
| 09:46.57 | wsoul | all in all i still <3 my trinket |
| 09:48.50 | olafski | trinket? :o |
| 09:48.57 | wsoul | jgreatness :D |
| 09:49.12 | wsoul | darkmoon greatness |
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| 09:49.30 | wsoul | my warrior has insc herb as prof |
| 09:50.17 | olafski | ah nice |
| 09:50.32 | wsoul | 90 str is always nice :D |
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| 09:50.42 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 09:50.49 | wsoul | whenever i am done with the warrior gotta get the agility one for the rogue |
| 09:50.53 | wsoul | hi |
| 09:51.07 | Lothaer | whats new? |
| 09:55.52 | Lothaer | anyone know of a good replacement for ItemSync? |
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| 09:57.12 | olafski | maybe atlasloot? it probably doesn't have all items but usually has the ones I want to link =) |
| 09:58.00 | Lothaer | this is true i use AL myself but i want to keep a record of all the items ive seen, even ones i havnt :D |
| 09:58.49 | olafski | hmm :P |
| 09:59.54 | Lothaer | im also looking for a good trade skill mod ive used ATSW which is ok just looks like crap im trying Skillet atm anyone else have any suggestions? |
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| 10:02.55 | wsoul | btw, how can i lower the chat window |
| 10:03.09 | olafski | unlock it and move it? :/ |
| 10:03.12 | wsoul | or move it to the right hand side etc |
| 10:03.28 | wsoul | under interface? |
| 10:03.46 | olafski | rightclick the chat tab and click unlock window |
| 10:04.10 | Lothaer | then you can left click on the tab to move it or on the edges to resize the frame |
| 10:04.29 | wsoul | nice thanks |
| 10:04.34 | Lothaer | nps |
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| 10:07.38 | Shirik | can anyone name the userdata in wow? |
| 10:07.40 | Shirik | Frames are one |
| 10:07.42 | Shirik | are there any others? |
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| 10:08.18 | nevcairiel | you can create userdata with newproxy() |
| 10:08.23 | nevcairiel | but thats it |
| 10:08.24 | Shirik | I mean ones made by Blizzard |
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| 10:26.39 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: font strings, textures, title regions |
| 10:26.49 | jnwhiteh | But I'm not really sure what you are after |
| 10:26.50 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cat_bed.jpg |
| 10:27.27 | olafski | lol |
| 10:27.30 | olafski | I want one |
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| 10:32.37 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 10:33.48 | jnwhiteh | vagina! |
| 10:38.50 | Fisker | o rly jnwhiteh ? |
| 10:38.56 | jnwhiteh | srsly |
| 10:39.22 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/disney_fantastic_4.jpg heheheeeeeee |
| 10:39.45 | olafski | :DDDD |
| 10:44.33 | Lothaer | sigh |
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| 11:27.46 | Fisker | Adys |
| 11:28.02 | Fisker | you wouldn't happen to know if Google has a doc about all the About:something links in the browser do you? :P |
| 11:28.22 | Elkano | Fisker, they are browser dependant anyways |
| 11:28.45 | Fisker | yes Elkano |
| 11:29.07 | Fisker | If you didn't get already when i asked if "Google has a doc" i obviously meant about google chrome |
| 11:29.08 | Fisker | ok? |
| 11:29.26 | Elkano | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About:_URI_scheme |
| 11:32.56 | olafski | wasn't clear from the question to me |
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| 12:11.46 | Jerub | k |
| 12:12.05 | Jerub | did H ToC again. healed through the black knight fine, but spend 50g on repairs during the argent confessor fight |
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| 12:24.31 | olafski | I get the feeling I saw that before! +) |
| 12:26.57 | Adys | Fisker: actually there is one somewhere |
| 12:27.06 | Adys | try a search on site:blogoscoped.com |
| 12:28.32 | Fisker | Elkano already linked one :o |
| 12:28.53 | Fisker | and then i found out that chrome doesn't have a manager for extensions because they suck apparently |
| 12:29.12 | Adys | it does |
| 12:29.17 | Adys | chrome://extensions/ |
| 12:30.36 | Fisker | rawr! |
| 12:30.43 | Fisker | that's why i couldn't find it then |
| 12:30.50 | Fisker | was looking at about:plugins and about:extensions |
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| 12:34.14 | Adys | "You look beautiful! Incidentally, my favourite artist is Picasso." |
| 12:38.39 | Sesshu | ~hello |
| 12:38.50 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 12:38.50 | Sesshu | ~hi |
| 12:38.51 | purl | hello, sesshu |
| 12:38.54 | Sesshu | ah |
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| 12:54.40 | mikma | any estimates when 3.2.2 will be online? |
| 12:59.28 | haste | Bruners: where are you :D ? |
| 13:00.28 | Fisker | soon mikma |
| 13:01.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgiM1ubNCYc looks like it'll be suitably epic |
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| 13:04.04 | Fisker | too long didn't watch Wobin |
| 13:04.30 | Wobin | yeah, much like the movie will possibly be |
| 13:04.40 | Wobin | but by god, it'll be EPIC =P |
| 13:08.08 | mikma | ehhehe |
| 13:08.12 | mikma | always the same actors |
| 13:08.34 | Wobin | s'true |
| 13:08.38 | Wobin | but that's cause they can -act- |
| 13:09.28 | mikma | no |
| 13:09.35 | mikma | they can KUNGFU your ass |
| 13:09.41 | Wobin | pft |
| 13:09.49 | Wobin | they can -act- -while- kungfuing your arse |
| 13:10.00 | Wobin | Jackie Chan can Kungfu your arse |
| 13:10.09 | Wobin | but he's not so good with the acting =P |
| 13:10.13 | Wobin | (unless it's comedic) |
| 13:10.13 | mikma | no |
| 13:10.23 | mikma | they can act thet KUNGFY your ass! |
| 13:10.25 | mikma | that's good... |
| 13:10.31 | mikma | dadaw |
| 13:10.42 | mikma | let's try that again without fisker |
| 13:10.54 | mikma | they can act they can KUNGFU your ass! |
| 13:11.52 | Wobin | still not making sense =P |
| 13:12.07 | mikma | no you |
| 13:12.38 | mikma | ah, nice joke |
| 13:13.08 | mikma | who is your true friend? put your dong and your wife in the boot of your car and leave them there for 1 hour. which one will be happy when you get back? |
| 13:13.13 | mikma | dog* |
| 13:13.14 | mikma | hahaha |
| 13:14.26 | Wobin | man, if you can detach your dong, all the more power to you =P |
| 13:14.32 | Wobin | (also your wife won't need you then =P) |
| 13:14.45 | Wobin | (and if you leave it in the car with her... welllll...) |
| 13:15.41 | mikma | detachable dong |
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| 13:19.41 | Wobin | oh man, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcsSPzr7ays&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:19.45 | Wobin | that's so cool =) |
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| 13:31.23 | Kraps | cool |
| 13:32.07 | Kraps | haha |
| 13:32.31 | Kraps | when they each use one hand |
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| 13:49.07 | olafski | cheap bastards |
| 13:49.11 | olafski | buy a second guitar already |
| 13:53.22 | klip | it's nice :) I also like this 4hand guitar video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4BYMvVvMg0 interesting how they are always having fun :) |
| 13:59.39 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dIAZV_22y4&feature=related |
| 13:59.46 | Wobin | I really like his guitar technique |
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| 14:01.22 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4&feature=related also fascinating |
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| 14:17.46 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/09/events-full-details-shows-click-watch/ |
| 14:18.54 | Wobin | hehe |
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| 14:19.53 | Adys | brits get all the good stuff =( |
| 14:20.49 | olafski | nice |
| 14:20.56 | olafski | can't wait to find out if he's right :) |
| 14:21.27 | Adys | I cant wait to find out what he means |
| 14:21.43 | Adys | he did an episode about lottery at some point |
| 14:21.49 | Adys | deleted out of Mind Control iirc |
| 14:21.56 | olafski | hm he says quite literally that he'll predict the lottery :( |
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| 14:22.55 | Adys | olafski: you know the guy who lost ten bucks betting someone he didnt know where he had them? |
| 14:23.13 | olafski | joke coming up I bet |
| 14:23.16 | olafski | no I don't know him :P |
| 14:23.46 | Adys | its not a joke its a classic |
| 14:23.50 | Adys | comes up in movies a lot |
| 14:23.53 | olafski | well I've never heard it :( |
| 14:23.55 | olafski | or seen it |
| 14:23.57 | olafski | .. I think.. |
| 14:24.11 | Adys | "Bet you 20 bucks I know where you got your shoes" |
| 14:24.15 | Adys | "No way you know" |
| 14:24.18 | Adys | "You got them on your feet" |
| 14:24.24 | Wobin | ~rimshot |
| 14:24.26 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 14:24.28 | Adys | ~failshot |
| 14:24.29 | olafski | hmm |
| 14:24.39 | olafski | that looks too simple |
| 14:24.52 | Adys | ofc but misdirection is built on that |
| 14:24.59 | olafski | that's not betting you don't know where I have my ten bucks though |
| 14:25.21 | Adys | up your arse? |
| 14:25.24 | olafski | oh took me a while to realize "got" can be interpreted in 2 ways here |
| 14:25.42 | olafski | are you insulting me, or are "bucks" something other than money :< |
| 14:26.49 | Adys | I like bug bucks and I cant lie |
| 14:27.07 | Adys | also yeah bucks are something else than money but you better hope you never find one of those up your arse |
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| 14:27.16 | olafski | :P |
| 14:27.27 | olafski | all I can think of is a male version of some animal with antlers |
| 14:27.32 | olafski | wouldn't want that up my arse |
| 14:27.52 | Adys | here bucky bucky |
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| 14:49.35 | Adys | UIParent.lua:232 attempt to concatenate local 'reason' (a nil value) |
| 14:49.36 | Adys | ah come on |
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| 15:01.41 | mikma | can you complete BRD without the key? |
| 15:01.56 | olafski | if you have a rogue =) |
| 15:02.27 | mikma | oh bollocks |
| 15:02.37 | olafski | engineer/blacksmith works too I guess |
| 15:03.22 | mikma | completing classic dungeons is a pain in the ass |
| 15:03.40 | mikma | first i had to get myself the scholololo key |
| 15:03.45 | olafski | :) |
| 15:03.48 | mikma | now the key to brd |
| 15:03.49 | olafski | it is yes |
| 15:03.53 | olafski | and then to dire maul |
| 15:04.02 | olafski | follow the stupid imp around |
| 15:04.14 | olafski | be glad you don't need a key for ubrs anymore =) |
| 15:04.33 | mikma | heh apparently |
| 15:04.38 | mikma | well, ubrs... |
| 15:04.48 | mikma | i got the quest to go to dustwallow and forge the key with the dragon :D |
| 15:04.55 | mikma | did lbrs and got all the gems at one run |
| 15:06.16 | olafski | yeah they're 100% drop now I think |
| 15:07.04 | mikma | cool |
| 15:08.08 | Gnarfoz | I... hate hate hate BSODs >_< |
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| 15:08.41 | olafski | oO |
| 15:08.45 | olafski | time to replace broken hardware/drivers |
| 15:13.37 | Gnarfoz | olafski: yeah, but which? |
| 15:14.12 | Gnarfoz | I know I've got two HDDs (not used for swap or the OS, so why would they cause crashes) with bad blocks, but that manifests differently |
| 15:14.34 | Gnarfoz | drivers are all up to date, even though I still suspect the GFX card ;\ |
| 15:15.55 | olafski | dunno :< |
| 15:20.57 | Adys | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1315210/Parental-Control-Software-Datamines-Kids-Online-Conversations?from=rss |
| 15:21.42 | Adys | Why is it people don't know the meaning of "datamines", versus "spies over" |
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| 15:25.51 | mikma | [18:21:30] [Blizzadmin] whispers: Hi,Blizzard is about to launch a new mounts,Free trial,For more information, please log in:eu-battleworldof.net |
| 15:25.57 | mikma | [18:21:43] To [Blizzadmin]: you are missing GM icon |
| 15:25.58 | mikma | kek |
| 15:26.22 | spode- | haha |
| 15:26.24 | olafski | eu-battleworldof? |
| 15:26.33 | olafski | that looks stupid :P |
| 15:26.43 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:26.47 | olafski | which addon are you using to copy chat text btw? |
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| 15:28.02 | olafski | and why is it these would be haxers always have trouble putting a space after a comma :< |
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| 15:38.13 | industrial | Is there any way in windows 7 to get the 'classic' start menu? I am quite anoyed by the 'new' one. |
| 15:38.34 | zerodamage | Hello everyone, I have a question regarding SecureActionButtonTemplate. If I have a button that I want to cast a specific spell (set using attributes), can i make it execute some unrelated function afterwards? |
| 15:43.28 | zerodamage | Have Blizzard removed all ways to open tradeskill windows from code? |
| 15:45.15 | Torhal | zerodamage: No. |
| 15:45.46 | zerodamage | How do you do it then, have tried CaseSpell and CastSpellByName |
| 15:46.05 | Torhal | Has to be directly through a hardware event, AFAIK. |
| 15:46.13 | Torhal | CastSpellByName("Leatherworking") for example |
| 15:46.48 | Torhal | Look at Revelation (mine) or oPie (foxlit's) |
| 15:47.04 | Torhal | Though with oPie, it's not directly in the code. |
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| 15:47.43 | Torhal | But I use ALT-T, then click an icon, to open tradeskills all the time with oPie. |
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| 15:48.18 | zerodamage | Well, that means that I cant just open a tradeskill window at any time in my code? |
| 15:50.39 | Gnarfoz | opie is secure stuffs |
| 15:50.50 | Gnarfoz | and both alt-t and "click" are hardware events |
| 15:51.08 | Gnarfoz | zerodamage: apparently not, hardware event required |
| 15:51.13 | zerodamage | ok |
| 15:51.27 | zerodamage | But why? |
| 15:51.38 | Gnarfoz | why? because blizzard said chose to make it so, I gues :p |
| 15:51.39 | Gnarfoz | _s |
| 15:51.41 | Gnarfoz | +s! |
| 15:51.46 | Gnarfoz | damnit, keyboard |
| 15:52.09 | zerodamage | But its crap, i want it to open, and you could with Cast once? |
| 15:53.26 | Gnarfoz | ... because the world is not static? |
| 15:53.30 | Gnarfoz | (find the pun in that one, hehe) |
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| 15:59.43 | zerodamage | Pun found, still hate that change, cant we just make a GM ticket :P? |
| 16:01.39 | Torhal | zerodamage: Because CastSpellByName() _should_ be secure, else people could write AddOns to make decisions on what spells to cast under certain ircumstances - A.K.A. Botting. |
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| 16:03.27 | zerodamage | Yes, but what they need to do is make it specifically open to use on tradeskills, or make a seperate function to open them, or make tradeskills accesable without opening the frame... |
| 16:04.30 | Gnarfoz | then there would be tradeskill bots |
| 16:04.48 | Kaso | Why does the blizzard item set manager often "forget" my itemsets until i reload |
| 16:05.06 | zerodamage | Nvm then |
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| 16:05.36 | zerodamage | You dont agree, and it likely isnt going to change in the near future :P |
| 16:07.29 | zerodamage | Cya |
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| 16:11.23 | Kraps | do abyss crystals sell better in stacks or individually? |
| 16:12.53 | Kaso | i'd guess small stacks would be the way to go, most enchants end up using a multiple of two dont they? |
| 16:14.53 | Kraps | what about frozen orbs? |
| 16:17.10 | zenzelezz | "A panicked person in Kirkland, WA called local police on Wednesday, claiming they saw someone walking down the street with an AK-47. It was actually a Bungie employee carrying an overgrown model of a Halo sniper rifle, which resembles an AK-47 as much as a Volkswagen resembles a Formula 1 racer." |
| 16:17.35 | Kraps | hehe |
| 16:18.56 | Fisker | i hope they arrested that bungie employee |
| 16:19.09 | sag_ich_nicht | hey Fisker |
| 16:19.12 | sag_ich_nicht | hi5 |
| 16:19.39 | Fisker | hey sag_ich_nicht |
| 16:19.41 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 16:19.49 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 16:19.52 | sag_ich_nicht | why. |
| 16:19.54 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 16:20.15 | Fisker | :) |
| 16:20.28 | sag_ich_nicht | I probably won't get a Cataclysm key earlier like I did with WotLK so you can stop hating me |
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| 16:20.45 | Gnarfoz | you just need to get an SC2 key to annoy him |
| 16:20.57 | Gnarfoz | why's there an UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE but no UNIT_EXITED_VEHICLE? ;\ |
| 16:21.04 | sag_ich_nicht | I doubt I'll get one of those early either |
| 16:21.26 | sag_ich_nicht | because blizzard likes to torture you |
| 16:22.31 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht... sin... now that's a name I've not heard in a long time; a long time... |
| 16:22.53 | sag_ich_nicht | greetings, I come in peace. |
| 16:22.58 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 16:23.04 | zenzelezz | Fisker |
| 16:23.36 | Fisker | imma chargin my laser |
| 16:23.45 | zenzelezz | pew pew |
| 16:23.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker |
| 16:23.52 | sag_ich_nicht | don't mention lasers around me |
| 16:23.53 | sag_ich_nicht | please. |
| 16:24.36 | Fisker | sag_ich_nicht |
| 16:24.37 | Fisker | lasers |
| 16:24.49 | sag_ich_nicht | I hate you. |
| 16:25.06 | Fisker | it's alright |
| 16:25.31 | Fisker | i want a hdd sag_ich_nicht |
| 16:25.50 | sag_ich_nicht | and I want a huge laser. |
| 16:25.56 | Cide | hi |
| 16:25.58 | sag_ich_nicht | (and some solid state goodness) |
| 16:25.59 | Torhal | Fisker: A laser-protected HDD? |
| 16:26.06 | Fisker | no |
| 16:26.54 | Kraps | arctic fur is fail expensive |
| 16:27.12 | Gnarfoz | !api exit |
| 16:27.12 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'exit': CommentatorExitInstance, VehicleExit, UNIT_EXITING_VEHICLE, UNIT_EXITED_VEHICLE, BattlefieldMgrExitRequest, CanExitVehicle, os.exit |
| 16:27.19 | Gnarfoz | hm ok, google search just fails. |
| 16:27.25 | Gnarfoz | !api UNIT_EXITING_VEHICLE |
| 16:27.26 | lua_bot | UNIT_EXITING_VEHICLE: Fires when a unit begins exiting a vehicle (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_EXITING_VEHICLE) |
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| 16:33.14 | Fisker | i want a new hdd Gnarfoz |
| 16:33.27 | Gnarfoz | don't get the ridiculous 2tb one, though |
| 16:34.44 | Fisker | i want a new hdd Gnarfoz |
| 16:34.53 | Fisker | and it has to be a 2TB Gnarfoz |
| 16:34.54 | Fisker | so fuck you |
| 16:36.58 | Gnarfoz | 2tb sucks though, bad €/TB |
| 16:37.31 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:37.46 | Fisker | but nice density/TB |
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| 16:43.14 | Fisker | sticks his tongue into Gnarfoz |
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| 16:43.32 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: yummyu |
| 16:46.57 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/09/07/girls-lost-in-drain-rescued-due-to-facebook-status-update <-m-m-m-monster fail |
| 16:59.11 | Gnarfoz | pro |
| 17:00.10 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 17:00.12 | Fisker | i hope you die |
| 17:01.33 | Cide | density/TB? |
| 17:01.48 | Cide | mass/(volume*tb) doesn't make much sense |
| 17:02.08 | Cide | tb/volume is probably what you're looking for |
| 17:02.24 | Cide | unless you're carrying your case around a lot |
| 17:04.55 | Dagmar | I don't think they're making 2Tb single units in consumer-affordable pricing tiers yet |
| 17:05.05 | Dagmar | Give it 'til the end of the year tho |
| 17:10.42 | Fisker | fuck you to hell Cide |
| 17:10.49 | Cide | ok |
| 17:10.55 | Cide | how do you do that exactly? |
| 17:11.31 | Fisker | i dunno |
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| 17:32.25 | Cruciformer | Is it possible to change the cursor icon when in certain parts of a dialog? For example if you can resize a window I'd like to change the cursor icon like it does in windows. A search for "Cursor" and "Icon" on wowprogramming yielded no promising results. |
| 17:35.06 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14552-BetterSetCursor.html |
| 17:35.16 | Seerah | have a look at that |
| 17:35.25 | Cruciformer | tyvm |
| 17:37.45 | Cruciformer | and I found (thanks to that) SetCursor(). I was looking in teh widget section not the API section. |
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| 17:47.28 | Cide | damn Shirik |
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| 17:51.13 | Liz | Hey there wowuidev, anyone wanna help me with my code? Need someone who's decently versed in event firing and handling them, since that's where it's messing up I believe |
| 17:51.40 | Seerah | hello |
| 17:51.55 | Cide | there's lots of people that apply to here |
| 17:52.04 | Seerah | just put your code on the pastey site linked in the topic and link it here. If someone's paying attention and can help, they will |
| 17:52.14 | Cide | describe your problem and we'll help if we can/have the time/like your attitude/smell/whatever |
| 17:52.19 | Seerah | (and ask a specific question about what you're having issues with) |
| 17:52.27 | Seerah | and Cide beat me twice :P |
| 17:52.38 | Cide | hey, you beat me |
| 17:52.49 | Seerah | only with the hello |
| 17:52.55 | Seerah | ~beat Cide |
| 17:52.56 | purl | ACTION relentlessly beats Cide over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 17:52.56 | Liz | heh alright, i already pastey'd it, www.pastey.net/124788 |
| 17:53.08 | Cide | and "just put your code..." |
| 17:53.23 | Cide | and the issue? |
| 17:53.36 | Liz | there are two functions, the first is for slash commands, that's working fine, the second is the event handler - it doesn't work when the event *should* be getting fired |
| 17:53.54 | Liz | but when i enter manual inputs with wowlua it works just fine after some edits |
| 17:53.56 | Seerah | Cide: /shrug :) fine. I'll take back your win |
| 17:54.03 | Cruciformer | your problem is you are referencing the event function before Lua knows about it |
| 17:54.07 | Cide | good! |
| 17:54.11 | Cide | I hate winning when I don't deserve it |
| 17:54.13 | Cruciformer | move DOM_Event up before the SetScript |
| 17:54.27 | Liz | OH |
| 17:54.32 | Cide | and Cruciformer wins round three |
| 17:54.40 | Seerah | ding ding! |
| 17:54.41 | Liz | I've made that mistake before I think v.v *blush* |
| 17:54.58 | Cide | strongly typed languages are better in that regard |
| 17:55.06 | Cruciformer | i win? does that mean I get a fre troutslap from fisker? |
| 17:55.17 | Cide | they often bitch at you at compile time |
| 17:55.23 | Cide | Cruciformer: at best |
| 17:55.47 | Cruciformer | maybe I can just win his undying disdain *hopes* |
| 17:55.52 | Liz | I forget about that, for some reason I thought it would be fine since it wasn't an onload function/event, but yeah, can't register a script before it knows what that scripted function is |
| 17:56.06 | Liz | thanks! I'll go test it again now ;D |
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| 18:03.59 | Liz | yay all better :D Thanks! |
| 18:04.44 | mikma | cide: spotify:track:0CXK0hxVJAw2aETYDD0cgc |
| 18:05.39 | Liz | Oh, for those who looked at the code, or anyone else, if i want to send a whisper as a reactionary thing, like i did up there, but a member of the opposing faction triggers the response, i know it'll "player not found" or something the PM... if i wanted to code it to just inform the user and not person triggering the event(opposite faction), how can i *correctly* diferentiate between ally and horde |
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| 18:06.10 | Cide | hi Lunessa |
| 18:06.10 | Liz | (tried UnitIsFriend("player", "arg1") where arg1 is the passed name from the DUEL_REQUESTED event |
| 18:06.18 | Lunessa | Station |
| 18:06.56 | Cide | and that didn't work? |
| 18:07.13 | Liz | bug grabber kept giving me compile errors b efore i said fuck it and took it out :( |
| 18:07.15 | Lunessa | For my North American peeps - happy Labor/Labour Day |
| 18:07.28 | Liz | i'll try putting it back in i guess, I couldn't think of another way to differentiate |
| 18:07.30 | foxlit | aka "Slacking day"? |
| 18:07.46 | Lunessa | As in "No Labor Is Getting Done Day" |
| 18:07.47 | Liz | aka "last day before school starts" here |
| 18:07.56 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa and the channel |
| 18:08.06 | Lunessa | huggles Seerah |
| 18:08.10 | Seerah | is off to shop the Labor Day sales and use her birthday month coupons |
| 18:08.11 | mikma | lunessa: now i have the urge to watch futurama. screw you. |
| 18:08.18 | Cide | Liz: you probably want UnitIsFriend("player", arg1) |
| 18:08.31 | Cide | since "arg1" is a constant string |
| 18:08.31 | mikma | that's true |
| 18:08.33 | Lunessa | mikma: You keep offering, and I keep saying "No." |
| 18:08.35 | mikma | "arg1" would be a name |
| 18:08.48 | Liz | yeah, i meant that +cide |
| 18:08.55 | Liz | sorry, i played with it a lot lol |
| 18:09.00 | Cide | +Cide is nice |
| 18:09.05 | Cide | people should call me that more often |
| 18:09.10 | mikma | ++cide |
| 18:09.11 | Cide | or all the time really |
| 18:09.12 | p3lim | im looking for a guide how to make sub-menues in a dropdown |
| 18:09.17 | p3lim | cant find any on wowwiki |
| 18:09.27 | Cide | mikma: that's not 'til march |
| 18:09.40 | mikma | ~cide++ |
| 18:09.42 | mikma | how bout that |
| 18:09.47 | Cide | better |
| 18:10.00 | Liz | believe me, when i was manually calling DDM_Event I kept using my friends name in place of arg1 before i realized i hadn't declared a value for the variable titled that (instead of making it a string)... i laughed at myself a bit for that |
| 18:10.56 | p3lim | anyone know? |
| 18:11.24 | mikma | p3lim: only thing i can remember is you need to use valuenumbers |
| 18:11.27 | Lunessa | p3lim: Sorry - I cheat an use a lib. |
| 18:11.42 | Cide | I cheat and use a lib |
| 18:11.47 | Cide | interestingly I wrote it myself |
| 18:11.49 | p3lim | what lib? |
| 18:11.59 | Cide | CT_Library |
| 18:12.17 | mikma | cheater |
| 18:12.52 | mikma | p3lim: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=TomTom&path=%2Ftrunk%2FTomTom.lua |
| 18:12.55 | mikma | p3lim: local dropdown_info = { |
| 18:12.59 | Lunessa | And Ace3 http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdropdown-1-0/ |
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| 18:13.23 | mikma | p3lim: level [1] is maindropdown, level [2] is subdropdown |
| 18:13.24 | Lunessa | <--- Lazy |
| 18:13.43 | p3lim | aha.. |
| 18:14.15 | p3lim | trying to rebuild the player frame dropdown to fit my needs (clean it up really) |
| 18:14.55 | p3lim | layout: http://pastey.net/124789 |
| 18:15.25 | mikma | cide: this one is also extremely nice: spotify:track:64Elkn41sfsxE8aMAeZ3Zy |
| 18:15.32 | Cide | can't listen atm |
| 18:17.13 | foxlit | p3lim: surely you've found http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_UIDropDownMenu ? |
| 18:17.26 | Kraps | mikma: where do you put that? |
| 18:17.55 | p3lim | foxlit: lol, that one I didnt see by searching |
| 18:18.11 | p3lim | found this topic on wowace tho: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 18:18.28 | p3lim | Its very well documented, so I'll use that as a guide |
| 18:18.44 | Liz | hey, ~cide++, with the event DUEL_REQUESTED and arg1 like we were talking about above, is arg1 ACTUALLY a string? or does the passed unitid magically have more properties and require a tostring() |
| 18:18.54 | Cide | not ~cide++ |
| 18:18.57 | Cide | just ~cide++ |
| 18:18.57 | Liz | lol |
| 18:19.00 | Cide | well |
| 18:19.10 | Cide | you can't do it in a context |
| 18:19.10 | Liz | now i'm confued |
| 18:19.13 | Cide | has to be on a separate line |
| 18:19.18 | Cide | ~karma Cide |
| 18:19.18 | purl | cide has karma of 8 |
| 18:19.21 | foxlit | info.func = function() |
| 18:19.23 | foxlit | MURDER |
| 18:19.35 | Cide | arg1 is a string |
| 18:19.38 | mikma | kraps: you put it in the search bar :) |
| 18:19.45 | Liz | okay :D |
| 18:19.46 | Cide | "party1" for example |
| 18:19.48 | mikma | kraps: where you usually type song or something |
| 18:20.03 | Cide | but if it's just a random player it's not certain that the user in question has a unit id |
| 18:20.03 | Liz | ahh right, some of them have diff meanings, like arenaN and the like |
| 18:20.09 | Cide | so I'm guessing that arg1 is the unit's name |
| 18:20.12 | Liz | okay |
| 18:20.14 | Kraps | like in vlc? |
| 18:20.19 | Liz | makes sense, and seems to work that way |
| 18:20.37 | p3lim | mikma: can also use it as a url in any browser, that will fire up spotify aswell if its not running |
| 18:20.39 | Cide | so it's likely you can't just send that to UnitIsFriend |
| 18:21.08 | Liz | even if it works in SendChatMessage("text", "WHISPER", nil, arg1)? |
| 18:21.36 | Cide | SendChatMessage() takes a unit name so that's correct |
| 18:21.43 | mikma | p3lim: only if you have spotify: defined in the browser |
| 18:21.45 | Liz | OH |
| 18:21.46 | Liz | RIGHT |
| 18:21.53 | Liz | i looked that up last night |
| 18:22.04 | Liz | UnitIsFriend won't work with a name unless it's in a party/raid |
| 18:22.11 | p3lim | yeah, but Im pretty sure as you install spotify it will add support for itself into firefox, if found |
| 18:22.25 | Liz | which brings me back to not knowing how to tell if someone's on the opposite faction :( |
| 18:22.41 | mikma | p3lim: that it didn't do on me, had to manually enter "use this program" |
| 18:22.57 | Cide | I'd probably try to send the whisper and then intercept the CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM event that'll show up if it's a player on the opposite faction |
| 18:23.00 | p3lim | oh, went automaticly for me :s |
| 18:23.09 | p3lim | dunno why |
| 18:23.32 | Liz | I have no idea how to do that, if i wowwiki CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM will it tell me how to intercept? |
| 18:23.50 | Cide | try it |
| 18:23.55 | Liz | kay ^.^ |
| 18:24.01 | p3lim | ive created dropdowns before, with great success aswell, just that submenues is new to me :p |
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| 18:25.02 | Cide | is Beladona's site up nowadays? |
| 18:25.53 | mikma | wowcompares.com |
| 18:26.11 | Cide | sweet |
| 18:26.38 | p3lim | mikma: you know if info.notCheckable accepts 'true' aswell as '1' ? |
| 18:28.06 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.44 | Cide | Liz: you need to hook ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler |
| 18:28.48 | Cide | see view-source:http://wowcompares.com/32010192/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua |
| 18:29.01 | Cide | (if you're running chrome) |
| 18:29.27 | Lunessa | Liz: Is UnitReaction not useful for you? Opposite Faction should always return "2" for "Hostile" even before a duel starts. |
| 18:29.40 | Adys | No |
| 18:29.41 | Adys | see view-source:http://wowcompares.com/32010192/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua |
| 18:29.44 | Cide | Lunessa: a unit requesting a duel doesn't always have a unit id assigned |
| 18:29.45 | Adys | if you are fucking awesome |
| 18:29.56 | Lunessa | Cide: Ahh. |
| 18:31.11 | Adys | Theys hould make more units available |
| 18:31.24 | Adys | s/s / s/ |
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| 18:31.55 | Lunessa | What specifically? I mean, aside from the "Unique ID for each mob in PvE" request ... |
| 18:32.13 | Adys | I meant, more ways to intercept an unit |
| 18:32.19 | Adys | eg UnitInfo("duel") |
| 18:32.29 | Lunessa | *nod* |
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| 18:33.47 | Liz | oh hey, anyone know if the CancelDuel() function causes the "DUEL_FINISHED" event to fire when you cancel it on the accept/decline box (rather than /forfeit) |
| 18:34.15 | Adys | if /yield causes it to fire, CancelDuel() will |
| 18:34.45 | Liz | even if the duel hasn't actually started? |
| 18:34.53 | Liz | CancelDuel() also serves to decline |
| 18:35.08 | Adys | I dont see why not |
| 18:35.13 | Liz | hmm |
| 18:35.18 | Liz | now i have to check :P |
| 18:35.28 | Liz | i don't think it would, since a duel never took place |
| 18:35.29 | Liz | lol |
| 18:35.31 | Liz | brb |
| 18:35.37 | Adys | dont refer to event names |
| 18:36.07 | Adys | all blizz cares about there is what's to display on the UI |
| 18:36.20 | Adys | anything more logical happens in the client itself |
| 18:36.26 | Adys | or on the server |
| 18:37.20 | Liz | O.o i'll try to remember that |
| 18:37.42 | Adys | you wont have to |
| 18:37.58 | Adys | if you mess a bit with the api, blizz is gonna shove it down your throat |
| 18:38.04 | Adys | and again, and again, over and over |
| 18:38.29 | Cide | you seem awfully bitter |
| 18:38.44 | Adys | I keep hitting cockblocks |
| 18:38.47 | Adys | unnecessary ones |
| 18:39.32 | Adys | hey Cide |
| 18:39.39 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/90458/ |
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| 18:40.44 | Dagmar | I think perhaps that word does not mean what you think it does. |
| 18:41.05 | Dagmar | ...or your girlfriend is the biggest geek I've ever heard of. |
| 18:41.11 | Adys | Other usage |
| 18:41.11 | Adys | "Cockblock" can also be used in a figurative manner to describe non-sexual interfering behavior |
| 18:41.17 | Adys | dont try this on me |
| 18:43.30 | Cide | how are you listing the headers now? |
| 18:43.37 | Adys | classes |
| 18:43.47 | Cide | BAD ADYS |
| 18:43.56 | Cide | not awfully bad I suppose |
| 18:43.56 | Adys | well you see |
| 18:44.06 | Adys | this allows me to change a listing into for example a js table |
| 18:44.10 | Adys | if it has too many items |
| 18:44.10 | Adys | etc |
| 18:44.45 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/90713/ |
| 18:46.10 | Adys | I mean template logic is great |
| 18:46.28 | Adys | but when you're dealing with a common one like that but that's got some other tricks behind |
| 18:46.35 | Adys | might aswell just deal with raw python |
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| 18:55.12 | Cide | do warlocks start with a dot? |
| 18:55.24 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 18:55.26 | jnwhiteh | just shadowbolt |
| 18:55.29 | jnwhiteh | then they get immolate |
| 18:55.31 | jnwhiteh | then corruption |
| 18:55.56 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmFa3zjK0uI&fmt=18 |
| 18:55.59 | industrial | ^_______^ |
| 18:56.02 | Cide | weak |
| 18:56.30 | industrial | it gets funner when you have tier2 done in affliction |
| 18:56.31 | Cide | oh well, I suppose I can level one to level 4... |
| 18:56.42 | industrial | cause about then your mana/health is endless from then |
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| 19:29.32 | Cide | crap/ |
| 19:29.34 | Cide | crap. |
| 19:30.17 | Adys | craps on Cide |
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| 19:32.14 | Cide | thank god |
| 19:32.18 | Cide | SPELL_AURA_REFRESH exists. |
| 19:33.19 | Adys | >> In my experience, the fastest browser is the one that's running AdBlock, with flash, java, and javascript disabled. |
| 19:33.19 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.19 | Adys | RTFA, dammit, it depends on the browser! |
| 19:40.31 | Dagmar | Adys: Easier to tell them that nightly masturbation rituals don't count as "experience" to anyone but htem |
| 19:41.01 | Adys | i dont see how you can masturbate at flash vids with flash disabled |
| 19:41.16 | Dagmar | He's probably fapping to animated gifs |
| 19:44.48 | Tepel | so basically, links/lynx is the fastest browser |
| 19:45.13 | Tepel | though fapping to animated gifs might prove difficult |
| 19:45.59 | Dagmar | Links does graphics |
| 19:45.59 | Tepel | Only under X or a framebuffer |
| 19:45.59 | Tepel | Not your standard tty |
| 19:46.09 | Tepel | iirc |
| 19:46.18 | nevcairiel | 80x25 tty ftw! |
| 19:46.18 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 19:49.08 | Cide | damn Shirik |
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| 20:02.59 | Dagmar | Looks like people wihtout the expansions are probably going to have their max-level toons blocked from xp-gain bg's soon |
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| 20:07.08 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/book/98#2 |
| 20:07.08 | jnwhiteh | how do you go to the _wrong_ book's forums? |
| 20:07.47 | jnwhiteh | how does that work? =) |
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| 20:10.20 | Cide | is /dump not a global function (and if it is, can it insecurely be called?) |
| 20:10.20 | Cide | jnwhiteh: I have no idea |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: DevTools_Dump(var) |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | and it's a global |
| 20:10.20 | Cide | nice c&p! |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | no, memory |
| 20:10.20 | Cide | I meant from the addon |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | oh lol |
| 20:10.20 | Cide | iriel's |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, quite literally |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | They reskinned it and added forceinsecure() to the first line of that function |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | that's about it |
| 20:10.20 | Cide | with permission I'm sure, but still funny |
| 20:10.21 | Cide | hm, wtf |
| 20:10.21 | Cide | attempt to call global 'DevTools_Dump' (a nil value) |
| 20:10.21 | Cide | I'm not using a separate func env.. |
| 20:10.23 | Cide | /dump DevTools_Dump yields it |
| 20:10.23 | Cide | clearly I've become a lua noob from not using it |
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| 20:18.01 | Dagmar | Oh awesome |
| 20:18.01 | Dagmar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717695170&postId=197155607677&sid=1#6 |
| 20:18.01 | Dagmar | Someone stepped in it with both feet, complaining about the voice acting on the tauren next to Bloodhoof. |
| 20:18.01 | Dagmar | ...the one whose voice was done by the little boy dying of cancer. |
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| 20:25.01 | Kraps | In computer networking, specifically Internet Relay Chat (IRC), netsplit is a term used to describe the disconnection of a given node from the previously established network or between two nodes. As an IRC network is an undirected acyclic graph, a split between any two nodes splits the entire network into two pieces. |
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| 20:25.54 | mikma | So... I have Path of Frost on. Tooltip says "Any damage will cancel the effect". Mob misses me with spell / melee, PoF gets cancelled. Is that *REALLY* the way Path of Frost should work?? |
| 20:25.54 | Shirik | Bad Kraps |
| 20:25.54 | Shirik | where did you get that |
| 20:25.54 | Shirik | because it is wrong |
| 20:25.54 | Kraps | Shirik: wikipedia is never wrong! |
| 20:25.54 | Zerodamage | Does anyone know if SetPortraitTexture is limited to party/raid/target and so on, or if it works on any unitID like "Randomplayer"? |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure there's nothing requiring an IRC network to be acyclic |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | MOST are |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | but not a requirement |
| 20:25.55 | Dagmar | mikma: Absorbed damage that reaches zero is reported as a miss afaik |
| 20:25.55 | nevcairiel | Shirik, show rfc :P |
| 20:25.55 | Dagmar | I've managed to get squirrels to do it |
| 20:25.55 | nevcairiel | it would need special protocol requirements to allow cyclic nets |
| 20:25.55 | Dagmar | It's just really hard to get them to attack you. |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | RFC does say spanning tree |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | I concede |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | Instead I will invent a new protocol |
| 20:25.55 | Dagmar | Yes, becasue ircops that cause linking loops get the sock treatment |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | and it will be awesome |
| 20:25.55 | Zerodamage | Nvm, got it figured |
| 20:26.53 | Dagmar | Guess what happens when a server sees a message for you come to you |
| 20:26.53 | Dagmar | Just guess |
| 20:26.53 | mikma | dagmar: Arcane Torrent and they'll attack you ^^ |
| 20:26.53 | mikma | but anyway, it's 0 / miss, no damage |
| 20:26.53 | Dagmar | mikma: They die so *easily* |
| 20:26.53 | mikma | still cancels |
| 20:26.53 | mikma | dagmar: arcane torrent is 0 damage |
| 20:26.53 | mikma | but it does aggro critters :D |
| 20:26.54 | Dagmar | Then I'd have to move into a trailer park |
| 20:26.54 | mikma | also! |
| 20:26.54 | mikma | this is quite interesting |
| 20:26.54 | mikma | Account Status: Frozen |
| 20:26.54 | mikma | Game Time Expires: 5 September 09 19:09 CEST |
| 20:26.54 | Dagmar | Trying to get them to attack someone else is fruitless |
| 20:26.54 | mikma | yet i'm still playing |
| 20:26.54 | _rane | mikma: log out ;) |
| 20:27.29 | Dagmar | ...although I would soil myself if I managed to get Distracting Shot working with Misdirect |
| 20:27.29 | mikma | _rane: i have :D |
| 20:28.03 | Dagmar | It would completely rock to be able to sic critters on groupmates |
| 20:28.38 | Dagmar | ...cuz you know the best time to do that would be at the end of a big fight |
| 20:29.28 | Shirik | mikma: Did arthas get you? |
| 20:30.15 | mikma | shirik: yes |
| 20:32.00 | Fisker | everybody was slapping Shirik |
| 20:32.00 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:32.00 | mikma | [23:31:20] [Blizzc] whispers: Hi!Blizzard is about to launch a new mounts,Free trial,For more information, please log in : [www.BattleEurope.com] |
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| 20:32.00 | Fisker | mikma |
| 20:32.01 | Fisker | free mount for you |
| 20:32.01 | Shirik | mikma, I know it was in jest and all, and that nobody here should fall for that |
| 20:32.15 | Fisker | just give me your login |
| 20:32.15 | Shirik | but can we keep the URL out of here just in case? |
| 20:32.15 | Fisker | btw i made fun of farmers :( |
| 20:32.24 | Fisker | "Do you want to know how much 10k gold is?" |
| 20:32.47 | Fisker | Me: "10 gold?, 100 gold? A THOUSAND GOLD?" |
| 20:33.03 | Fisker | Then after that i shift+clicked him to whois and he was logged off |
| 20:33.05 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:33.37 | Fisker | oh man |
| 20:33.47 | Fisker | looks like i gotta refresh my password and get a new creditcard |
| 20:34.11 | Fisker | apparently Blizzard's loginserver which have no login details apart from the username got compromised again |
| 20:35.03 | kd3 | ...again? |
| 20:35.16 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:35.35 | Fisker | it's funny how sometimes when people get hacked it's because Blizzard have a security issue |
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| 20:39.31 | Mr_Rabies | similarly, my steam account was disabled sometime over the last few days |
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| 20:46.13 | Shirik | Fisker, where are you reading this? |
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| 20:51.14 | jnwhiteh | Would anyone mind downloading the Lua interpreter for windows here: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/pc/lua-wow |
| 20:51.24 | jnwhiteh | I just want to make sure the encoding didn't bork the executables or anything |
| 20:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | Vista an approved OS? |
| 20:52.15 | jnwhiteh | yeppers |
| 20:52.30 | jnwhiteh | just run lua-wow.exe |
| 20:52.34 | jnwhiteh | and it'll pop up a lua prompt |
| 20:52.35 | jnwhiteh | or should :p |
| 20:52.41 | Fisker | people are funny jnwhiteh |
| 20:53.13 | Lopeppeppy | Brings me a command prompt on Vista, after being unzipped. |
| 20:53.25 | jnwhiteh | a Lua prompt? |
| 20:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I guess so, it's inside the window that it pops open for me. |
| 20:53.44 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 20:53.48 | jnwhiteh | type print("Hello") |
| 20:53.59 | jnwhiteh | see if it prints hello :P |
| 20:54.59 | Lopeppeppy | It does. The parentheses look funny, more like carats than curves. |
| 20:58.54 | jnwhiteh | heh weird :P |
| 20:59.12 | Lopeppeppy | I erased them twice, convinced that I was typing incorrectly. :) |
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| 21:05.46 | Dagmar | WTF is with Freenode lately |
| 21:05.52 | Dagmar | It's turning into mid 90's EFnet |
| 21:05.57 | Lopeppeppy | The interwebs are so unstable. |
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| 21:09.06 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.15 | Dagmar | Oh man |
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| 21:10.29 | Dagmar | I love that bit about his wife being mad for the GM pulling a Zaboo |
| 21:10.50 | Dagmar | How dumb do you have to be to think that showing up at some married man's house unannounced isn't going to raise some eyebrows? |
| 21:11.17 | Kraps | succubus dumb |
| 21:13.10 | Lopeppeppy | Very dumb. |
| 21:13.21 | Lopeppeppy | And that he didn't /gquit right there means he needs a kick from Mrs. Play. :) |
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| 21:14.18 | Dagmar | Well, a good guild is somewhat hard to find |
| 21:14.35 | Dagmar | I mean, I did tell you my coworker's little Ventrilo drama... I still need to get him to give me that recording |
| 21:14.51 | Kraps | what happened? |
| 21:14.52 | Dagmar | They had a raid fall apart because the MT was hot chatting the guild leader's girlfriend |
| 21:15.03 | Dagmar | The guild leader and his gf play in the same room, side by side. |
| 21:15.08 | Kraps | lul |
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| 21:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oopsies. |
| 21:15.18 | Dagmar | It became a problem only once the tank muffed a pull |
| 21:15.21 | Dagmar | lol |
| 21:15.45 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, do your hot lol-chatting anytime but during raids. *laugh* |
| 21:15.46 | Dagmar | THEN the guild leader bitches at him in vent for being too busy trying to sex his gf up to tank properly |
| 21:16.05 | Dagmar | "Of course I can see what you're typing, she's sitting right next to me" |
| 21:16.30 | Dagmar | I think most of that guild lived in trailer parks personally |
| 21:17.05 | Kraps | thats what i said about my previous guild! |
| 21:17.20 | Cruciformer | if that were true the gm wouldnt care a fig if the mt was sexing up his gf, he prolly sold her to him. Now if he was drinking his PBR, that would be a different story. |
| 21:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk |
| 21:17.56 | Dagmar | Cruciformer: You did notice I said it didn't become an issue *until the tank muffed a pull* |
| 21:18.07 | Cruciformer | lol yeah |
| 21:18.12 | Dagmar | I'd have just quietly punted the dude from the guild for being an idiot on the first naught line |
| 21:18.28 | Corrodias | doing it quietly is a good way to cause more drama |
| 21:19.01 | Shirik | I really don't think Microsoft understands the purpose of DLLs at all |
| 21:19.06 | Corrodias | because 95% of the remaining people will wait briefly for an explanation, then start whispering each other about your sudden insanity |
| 21:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | Probably not, Shirik. This is Microsloth, after all. |
| 21:19.40 | Shirik | "Do not use msvcrt.dll because you won't know what version it is. Instead, your applications should include a copy of msvcrt71.dll in the program directory." |
| 21:19.49 | Shirik | So, we're going to ship a copy of a dynamic library along with every application |
| 21:19.53 | Corrodias | lol! |
| 21:19.53 | Dagmar | Of course |
| 21:19.54 | Kraps | HEY DUDE QUIT CHATTING UP MY GF /gkick |
| 21:19.56 | Shirik | what's the purpose of dynamically linking then! |
| 21:20.25 | Dagmar | Shirik: Well, all the other operating systems were using shared object libraries, so it seemed like the cool thing to do |
| 21:21.59 | Ackis | chats up Kraps GF |
| 21:22.00 | Ackis | and his mom |
| 21:22.03 | Ackis | and sister |
| 21:22.09 | Kraps | :( |
| 21:22.20 | Lopeppeppy | tattles to The Other Half! |
| 21:22.57 | pompy | Ackis: you slut |
| 21:22.57 | Ackis | lol |
| 21:23.44 | Iriel | Shirik: It gives you the benefit of being able to patch out the library without changing anything else, which can be handy from a maintainence perspective, but I do agree it somewhat misses the point. |
| 21:24.09 | Kraps | Ackis: which sister? |
| 21:24.57 | Ackis | Kraps: all of them! |
| 21:25.22 | Kraps | bad grammer, since i only have two |
| 21:25.26 | Lopeppeppy | Boy has no sense of moderation. |
| 21:25.37 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: :D |
| 21:25.41 | Kraps | abd grammar is spelled wrong |
| 21:25.48 | Ackis | so was and |
| 21:25.50 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:26.02 | Ackis | pompy: do you have a list of stuff in querier which breaks? |
| 21:26.26 | pompy | Ackis: yeah but i gotta refine that list ;p |
| 21:26.26 | Kraps | not gonna correct myself twice am i? |
| 21:26.44 | Kraps | Swine Flu is a HOAX! |
| 21:26.45 | Kraps | It is a U.S. Government |
| 21:26.46 | Ackis | Kraps: you forgot to capitalize not and I. |
| 21:26.48 | Kraps | Psychological Operation (Psy/Op) |
| 21:26.48 | Kraps | to TERRIFY the Public! |
| 21:26.55 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:27.05 | Kraps | :p :p |
| 21:27.19 | roasticle | there were conspiracy people on the corner on saturday downtown |
| 21:27.29 | Kraps | and? |
| 21:27.32 | roasticle | saying that immunization was a govt conspiracy |
| 21:27.48 | Kraps | it is!!!!11111 |
| 21:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | Can't wait to see how many freshmen get the flu in their first 2 weeks at college. |
| 21:27.52 | roasticle | great scare people into not getting swine flu vaccine |
| 21:27.59 | roasticle | good plan |
| 21:28.15 | Cruciformer | im all for that. cull the weak and stupid. |
| 21:28.37 | roasticle | so whos getting vaccinated! |
| 21:28.53 | roasticle | raise your han |
| 21:28.54 | roasticle | d |
| 21:28.58 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.00 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.01 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.01 | Cruciformer | not even sure a mass vaccine is avail here |
| 21:29.03 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.03 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. I'm young and otherwise healthy. I've signed up with my doctor, but I'll be in the second round. |
| 21:29.07 | Kraps | cant touch this |
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| 21:31.57 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:32.03 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss kiss, Shirik |
| 21:32.10 | Ackis | apparently people find my grumpy attitude funny now :( |
| 21:32.21 | Ackis | that makes me more grumpy |
| 21:32.22 | Lopeppeppy | Whatcha being grumpy about, Ackis? |
| 21:32.28 | Ackis | carbonite |
| 21:32.32 | Ackis | it's the devil |
| 21:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | I agree. |
| 21:32.47 | Kraps | wat |
| 21:33.02 | Kraps | where does that leave QH? |
| 21:33.26 | Dagmar | "Not the devil"? |
| 21:33.35 | Kraps | nononono |
| 21:33.43 | Kraps | wait |
| 21:33.52 | Kraps | what worse than the devil? |
| 21:33.54 | kd3 | lol... fark: "Tragedy is when a shipment of wine is destroyed by fire. Comedy is when the firefighters find themselves being shot at by corks as the bottles explode [Amusing]" |
| 21:34.04 | Cruciformer | jesus? |
| 21:34.09 | Cruciformer | he's a bit ofg a killjoy |
| 21:34.24 | Shirik | lol kd3 |
| 21:35.53 | Dagmar | I think I need an ambulance |
| 21:36.33 | Dagmar | I keep getting these confused calls from people who should be talking to the help desk because they can't get their TV to pick up anything but channels 2-13, or they can't get their wireless to work, and I'm enjoying helping them |
| 21:36.40 | Dagmar | I must have burst a blood vessel somewhere important |
| 21:36.50 | Kraps | aw shit i'm gonna die http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread498708/pg1 |
| 21:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Personality dysfunction does imply brain damage. |
| 21:37.31 | Dagmar | Normally my internal dialog is something along the lines of "how does a male child make it to college age without knowing how to set up a television properly?" |
| 21:38.38 | Dagmar | I guess I'm getting calls from nice people as opposed to the entiteled t**t-monkeys that seem to be the common case |
| 21:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | It always helps when the sheeple are nice. |
| 21:39.21 | Dagmar | I've actually had people demand to know why they have to click on something and why I can't just fix it over the phone with them |
| 21:39.43 | Dagmar | ...so it's possible my minimalist contact has resulted in a non-representative set of experiences |
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| 21:40.31 | Dagmar | I like people who remmeber what error messages said (not just "some weird error when I clicked on it") and who don't get mad when you click ont he icon next to the one they were clicking on |
| 21:40.59 | Lopeppeppy | I get a lot of sheeple peeved that I can't just log onto their computers and fix it for them. Drives me spare. |
| 21:41.17 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: remote desktop? |
| 21:41.31 | Dagmar | Ackis: Yeah that works great for people who can't get their internets to work |
| 21:41.39 | Dagmar | They never seem to realize that bit either |
| 21:42.00 | Dagmar | ...but then I've been down *that* particular oubliette with my mon |
| 21:42.12 | Dagmar | s/mon/mom/; |
| 21:42.21 | Dagmar | She's elderly |
| 21:42.23 | Ackis | Dagmar: it should work on the LAN as well? |
| 21:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I am not part of IT, I am not given that joy. |
| 21:42.37 | Ackis | ah :( |
| 21:42.39 | Ackis | ~comfort Lopeppeppy |
| 21:42.40 | purl | There, there, Lopeppeppy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:42.44 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 21:42.44 | purl | :), Lopeppeppy |
| 21:43.30 | Dagmar | Ackis: their LAN is the internets |
| 21:43.37 | Dagmar | teh internet are eberywheres |
| 21:44.24 | Kraps | not just a series of tubes... |
| 21:48.43 | cbreak | it's carrier pidgeons. |
| 21:49.09 | Cruciformer | south africa recently upgraded from carrier pidgeons to carrier albatros |
| 21:49.22 | Cruciformer | much lower latency |
| 21:49.43 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:54.09 | Ackis | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=288044#post288044 |
| 21:55.20 | cbreak | I somehow don't like curse |
| 21:55.39 | cbreak | they manage to pack so much on each page that I have no idea where what I am interested is |
| 21:55.48 | Ackis | everyone has their opinion, there's just a lot of authors who host their work on both sites :) |
| 21:56.02 | cbreak | yes, I do too :) |
| 21:56.36 | Ackis | speaking of that wow I'm an asshole, I forgot to update ARL on wowi |
| 21:56.52 | Cruciformer | I just wish curse's search worked, or that their staff would respond to bug reports, even just to acknowledge they red them. |
| 21:57.03 | Cruciformer | *read |
| 21:57.20 | Ackis | Cruciformer: I've seen your forum posts |
| 21:57.32 | Cruciformer | and I yours :) |
| 21:57.48 | Ackis | I'm at least getting them to fix some of the issues |
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| 21:58.08 | Cruciformer | its just frustrating as all hell that something so fundamental is so useless. |
| 21:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | Why on earth would they respond to every bug report? That's an awful lot of overhead time. |
| 21:58.40 | Cruciformer | wowi on the other hand worked from teh getgo |
| 21:59.48 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: Have you actually looked at their bug report forum to see how few posts ther are there? |
| 22:00.20 | Shirik | anyone here good with gdb? Ctrl+C is supposed to pause the program, right? |
| 22:00.34 | cbreak | ctrl-c is break? |
| 22:00.41 | cbreak | ctrl-z is pause to background |
| 22:00.42 | Shirik | isn't it? |
| 22:00.46 | cbreak | I think |
| 22:00.53 | Dagmar | Yes. MOstly |
| 22:00.54 | Cruciformer | Shirik: No ... depending on how you deal with eth signal its supposed to either send SIGINT or break into gdb. |
| 22:01.01 | cbreak | at least in normal mode, not sure if it's different in gdb |
| 22:01.12 | Shirik | how do I send SIGINT? Ctrl+Break? |
| 22:01.22 | Dagmar | kill -INT pid |
| 22:01.23 | Cruciformer | whatever stty intr is set to |
| 22:01.27 | cbreak | you can do a kill -INT :) |
| 22:01.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:01.40 | Cruciformer | but you can also use the gdb signal command |
| 22:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | Cruci, how do you know that's all there are? *smile* I'd rather they were working on my bug than wasting time in 'customer service' handholding. |
| 22:01.46 | Shirik | send sigint to the program or to gdb? |
| 22:01.47 | Dagmar | Some platforms are pickier than others about the "SIG" part |
| 22:01.54 | Dagmar | To the program |
| 22:02.03 | Shirik | hm, the programdoesn't seem to have a pid |
| 22:02.10 | Shirik | cygwin is strange |
| 22:02.13 | cbreak | :O |
| 22:02.15 | Cruciformer | if its on UNIX it does :) |
| 22:02.19 | Dagmar | Then it doesn't exist, therefore your problem can't exist, therefore we are done. :) |
| 22:02.22 | Dagmar | Oh... Cygwin |
| 22:02.29 | Ackis | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=157965#post157965 :( |
| 22:02.29 | cbreak | killall maybe? |
| 22:02.31 | Dagmar | It's still got a pid |
| 22:02.56 | Cruciformer | Shirik: gdb> help signal to learn how to deliver a specific signal to your program |
| 22:03.09 | Shirik | you're missing the problem, Cruciformer |
| 22:03.10 | Shirik | I know how to use signal |
| 22:03.24 | Shirik | but gdb currently does not have a prompt because the program is running |
| 22:03.26 | A-KO | so things are looking GREAT for Aion...... |
| 22:03.27 | A-KO | coughs |
| 22:03.30 | Dagmar | Wait, is it required to have a Grunty to play now? |
| 22:03.41 | Lopeppeppy | No, but Grunty makes an excellent bribe. :) |
| 22:03.50 | Dagmar | A-KO: Servers down? |
| 22:04.03 | Ackis | Dagmar: lol no she wants one cuz it's a murloc |
| 22:04.04 | Dagmar | They picked a bad day to be doing their open beta |
| 22:04.08 | Cruciformer | oh. is it a windowed app or a command line? |
| 22:04.14 | Ackis | we named one of our cats "Murky" because we couldn't get that pet in-game |
| 22:04.22 | A-KO | yes Dagmar, but not only are the servers down, but it crashes when it cannot connect to one :P |
| 22:04.31 | Dagmar | A-KO: Hah |
| 22:04.42 | Dagmar | Hopefully they'll have that sorted by the time I get home at 1am tonight |
| 22:04.47 | A-KO | haha |
| 22:04.49 | Dagmar | ...but still, imagine the hubris |
| 22:04.55 | Ackis | is there a e-mail that you can send a message to for GM help? |
| 22:05.04 | A-KO | Ackis: say what? |
| 22:05.09 | A-KO | what do you need GM help for? |
| 22:05.13 | A-KO | just call customer service :P |
| 22:05.21 | Dagmar | "We're having a free open beta, and we've been specifically targeting WoW players for months... and we're going to make damn sure it happens during tuesday downtime so that ALL TWELVE MILLION PEOPLE will be trying to login" |
| 22:05.22 | Ackis | meh |
| 22:05.30 | A-KO | lol Dagmar |
| 22:05.33 | Dagmar | wowgm@blizzard.com |
| 22:05.43 | Ackis | ty |
| 22:05.46 | Dagmar | A-KO: So like, I *know* their stuff will be broken into a zillion pieces tomorrow |
| 22:06.01 | A-KO | GMs aren't going to give you grunty |
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| 22:06.20 | Dagmar | What if you offer to delete "those pictures" of them at that party? |
| 22:06.21 | kneeki | Hey all |
| 22:06.26 | A-KO | haha |
| 22:06.34 | cbreak | 12 million people? |
| 22:06.34 | Shirik | Dagmar: So Aion is down? |
| 22:06.37 | A-KO | was there any blizz at the after party? :P |
| 22:06.41 | kneeki | Aion is released? |
| 22:06.48 | Dagmar | Tell 'em "Gimme the murloc or TMZ gets the schoop" |
| 22:06.52 | A-KO | Aion says a bunch of servers are low pop and 2 are high pop, but I cannot connect to any of them |
| 22:06.57 | A-KO | and it crashes when it fails to connect |
| 22:06.58 | Dagmar | Shirik: I dunno. A-Ko seems to think it is |
| 22:07.09 | kneeki | http://www.aion-online.com/ <- offline |
| 22:07.12 | A-KO | Siel and something else it says are "High", all the others "Low"--but when I try to connect to any of them |
| 22:07.24 | Dagmar | I'm just still laughing about the fact that they've got a very short open beta and they've positioned themselves right in the path of the Tuesday Downtime Event Overflow |
| 22:07.27 | A-KO | http://na.aiononline.com/en/ |
| 22:07.31 | A-KO | lol Dagmar |
| 22:07.36 | Dagmar | People actually login to EverQuest on Tuesday mornings |
| 22:08.25 | Dagmar | ...so they're clearly quite desperate for something to play |
| 22:09.00 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* The ex is growing a beard... looks like a diseased ferret on his face... |
| 22:09.15 | A-KO | can't stand facial hair on myself |
| 22:09.18 | Dagmar | For my part, I think I've done a good job of making a WoW dwarf on Champions, which I will probably just leave idling tomorrow morning for a laugh |
| 22:09.28 | Cruciformer | My question is how come u know what a diseased ferret on someone's face looks like :) |
| 22:10.47 | Shirik | Dagmar: Windows PID doesn't seem to work |
| 22:10.56 | Lopeppeppy | I just saw a picture of one. :) |
| 22:11.00 | Dagmar | Freaky. |
| 22:11.12 | cbreak | if killall doesn't work either |
| 22:11.12 | kneeki | Anyone have a True Blood S02E12 torrent available? I can't find it anywhere on PB or Demonoid =( |
| 22:11.20 | Dagmar | kneeki-- |
| 22:11.22 | cbreak | maybe start the app in an other terminal |
| 22:11.27 | cbreak | and attach to it from gdb |
| 22:11.44 | kneeki | Dagmar: pssh |
| 22:11.45 | cbreak | (maybe the command line ps can show you the pid) |
| 22:11.49 | kneeki | Dagmar++ |
| 22:12.26 | Kraps | http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 22:12.38 | Kraps | STUPID PEOPLE ARE STUPID |
| 22:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki, did you try isohunt and... why can't I think of the other one... mininova? |
| 22:13.21 | Iriel | A-KO: They've been having some datacenter issues |
| 22:13.35 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: Yup, everything I'm finding that's even E12 is a fake |
| 22:13.36 | Iriel | A-KO: betaboards.aiononline.com may be up when the website is down, it seems abit more reliable |
| 22:13.41 | kneeki | A real let down |
| 22:13.54 | Dagmar | People from the DC calling and saying "THE PIPES CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE O' THIS CAP'N!" |
| 22:14.16 | Dagmar | "YE'VE GOT TA DO SUMTHIN' AND FAST!" |
| 22:16.31 | Dagmar | I hope for their sakes they don't muck it up like Funcom did |
| 22:16.53 | Dagmar | ...because at this rate it's only a matter of time before some people manage to get the DoJ to start looking at Blizzard the way they're eyeballing Google |
| 22:17.47 | Lopeppeppy | On what grounds? |
| 22:18.31 | Dagmar | Too much auccess, same as with Google. |
| 22:18.43 | Iriel | There's no shortage of other MMO's, and it's not like blizzard is aquiriing any of them |
| 22:18.56 | Iriel | It's nothing to do with success, it's everything to do with monopolization |
| 22:19.00 | Iriel | and Blizzard is far from the latter |
| 22:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | There's no "this is the only game in town" atmosphere. |
| 22:19.02 | Dagmar | Obviously since everyone else uses monopolistic tricks to gain and keep market share, Google and Blizzard must be doing it as well |
| 22:20.44 | Corrodias | a court case requires evidence. well, usually. |
| 22:21.03 | Dagmar | Bringing a case to court doesn't appear to tho |
| 22:21.27 | Dagmar | ...and you can damage "stockholder faith" and indirectly a company's bottom line just by making allegations. |
| 22:21.58 | Corrodias | but doing so is grounds for a countersuit |
| 22:22.12 | Dagmar | ...which is also a pointless waste of money |
| 22:22.14 | Corrodias | or something. it's been a while. |
| 22:22.28 | Dagmar | ...and you have to _prove_ malice, which is substantially harder |
| 22:22.40 | Dagmar | Simple idiocy and/or paranoia actually isn't enough |
| 22:22.44 | Corrodias | if they try the suit with a complete lack of evidence |
| 22:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | INAL |
| 22:22.48 | cbreak | <test>blizzard is a monopoly</test> |
| 22:22.50 | Corrodias | i think that'd be pretty close |
| 22:23.15 | cbreak | stock value didn't change much. doesn't work. |
| 22:23.36 | Dagmar | cbreak: Give it a couple of hours and we'll see if it trends down or up |
| 22:23.51 | cbreak | looks like it goes up: http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:ATVI |
| 22:24.41 | Dagmar | That's some damn strange trending |
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| 22:29.49 | Dagmar | Is it just me or do they appear to be trying to keep the per-share price close to the monthly fee? |
| 22:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | so how does Vivendi fit into the picture now, with Activision Blizzard? |
| 22:31.03 | Dagmar | There's probably some Vivendi coffee mugs hidden in desks |
| 22:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.vivendi.com/corp/en/subsidiaries/index_games.php |
| 22:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice website they have |
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| 22:31.50 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 22:32.13 | Dagmar | THey're now a vestigial subsidiary |
| 22:34.16 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like a bad Rogers and Hammerstein musical |
| 22:35.47 | Dagmar | Ayyeee yam the ver-ry mah-del of a for-mer-ly good com-pa-ny... |
| 22:37.07 | Dagmar | ...with trade-marks-pat-ents-copy-rights-and-lots-more-val-u-ble-eye-pee |
| 22:37.13 | Dagmar | Yep. |
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| 22:43.58 | A-KO | wow aion is lolfail |
| 22:44.51 | A-KO | haven't these damn companies learned anything from WoW? Apparently not |
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| 22:45.32 | Dagmar | A-KO: Well, in their defense, even Blizz wasn't able to estimate correctly how large WoW woul dbe |
| 22:45.45 | Dagmar | Remember how fast those closed beta keys went away |
| 22:45.49 | A-KO | no no Dagmar |
| 22:45.51 | A-KO | I'm actually in it now |
| 22:45.55 | A-KO | and the interface is just...... |
| 22:46.02 | A-KO | it's overly complex for noobs starting out |
| 22:46.12 | Hjalte | A-KO: Where you just lucky to be selected for Beta test or? |
| 22:46.14 | Dagmar | THey were using those things as a way to measure how much interest they'd beed to plan for on the later phases |
| 22:46.18 | A-KO | Hjalte: it's open beta |
| 22:46.26 | Dagmar | Hjalte: It's in Open Beta until like the 9th. |
| 22:46.35 | Dagmar | Wasn't it nice of them to give everyone three whole days to look? |
| 22:46.52 | A-KO | it might be cool later on |
| 22:46.56 | A-KO | but the interface is bad |
| 22:47.14 | A-KO | they have that extra mouse click to accept quests, AFTER you accept the quest, "I'm on my way" "will do" etc. |
| 22:47.25 | Dagmar | Oh it's been extended to the 13th |
| 22:47.28 | Dagmar | That's impressive |
| 22:47.41 | A-KO | they're already throwing socketed items at you |
| 22:47.42 | Dagmar | For some reason, the Korean companies think that North Americans are all idiots or somthing |
| 22:47.43 | A-KO | at level 2 |
| 22:48.02 | A-KO | could you imagine how terrible WoW would be if they gave you talent points and gem sockets at level 1? lol |
| 22:48.22 | A-KO | http://i25.tinypic.com/rc4qbm.jpg < my mage |
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| 22:48.35 | A-KO | Dagmar: can't chat in /1 until level 5 either :P |
| 22:48.38 | Kraps | A-KO: s/terrible/awesome |
| 22:48.39 | Dagmar | A-KO: I bet they're thinking they want people to see all the stuff to prod at immediately so they won't overlook it |
| 22:48.47 | Dagmar | A-KO: That's kind of a blessing |
| 22:49.06 | A-KO | no it's not :P If that carries over to release that's just bad |
| 22:49.19 | Dagmar | How long does it take to get to level 5 tho? |
| 22:49.25 | A-KO | "Hey I cant' figure out this quest" "let's try asking /1" "oh, I can't talk in /1 wtf gay shit is this?" *cancel sub* |
| 22:49.30 | A-KO | well I just hit level 3 |
| 22:49.33 | A-KO | so probably not very long |
| 22:49.38 | A-KO | maybe like an hour or so |
| 22:49.40 | Dagmar | So, not a particularly large handicap then |
| 22:49.47 | A-KO | but a handicap nonetheless |
| 22:49.57 | A-KO | you also have to "rest" like in the old school RPGs in order to regen |
| 22:50.00 | Dagmar | Whatever it takes to keep general chat channels from turning into a flood of "I KANT FIND THIS GUY THEY WANT ME TO FIND WHERE IS HE" |
| 22:50.14 | Dagmar | A-KO: You do that in WoW |
| 22:50.17 | A-KO | eh for all the faults WoW has many of those make it memorable :P |
| 22:50.20 | A-KO | no you don't |
| 22:50.30 | A-KO | you don't have to physically sit down to regen mana in WoW |
| 22:50.33 | Dagmar | Then what the hell am I taking magic strudels for? |
| 22:50.38 | A-KO | no no |
| 22:50.42 | A-KO | mp5 doesn't regen at all |
| 22:50.43 | A-KO | :P |
| 22:50.46 | A-KO | unless you rest |
| 22:51.01 | A-KO | granted the early level it's not a big deal |
| 22:51.09 | Dagmar | Well, the rate at which it does in WoW without eating/drinking is next to useless for most people |
| 22:51.33 | WobWork | you've never played a healer? =P |
| 22:51.37 | Dagmar | nope |
| 22:51.41 | WobWork | clearly =P |
| 22:51.43 | cbreak | I can go without resting as frost solo |
| 22:52.01 | Dagmar | I play a hunter, which means I trade in my DPS for that ability |
| 22:52.04 | Dagmar | I like my DPS |
| 22:52.10 | Dagmar | ...and Kungaloosh is tasty |
| 22:52.28 | A-KO | I'll give Aion some more time, but the interface just kinda sucks :P |
| 22:52.28 | A-KO | though the game does load faster |
| 22:52.31 | Dagmar | Yes I feign just so I can drink before Paletress/Eadric |
| 22:52.37 | Dagmar | Man it pisses off the paladins |
| 22:52.39 | WobWork | Dagmar: 6-700 mp5 is a godsend =P |
| 22:52.51 | WobWork | Dagmar: I just range it. |
| 22:53.14 | Dagmar | How far do you have to get from them to get out of combat there? |
| 22:53.16 | WobWork | move out of range of the last monk, and paletress, and then you can sit and drink while they start the encounter |
| 22:53.35 | WobWork | if you're not next to paletress/eadric, you drop out of combat |
| 22:53.46 | Dagmar | I guess i've gotten too used to winding up in combat anywhere naer the party if someone else gets into combat |
| 22:54.09 | WobWork | range -them- too =) but you can just spam the drink key |
| 22:54.22 | WobWork | and get started between the ticks |
| 22:54.28 | Dagmar | Thanks I'll give that a shot next time, although realistically, if I need the FD cooldown during that fight, I'll turn in my gun and roll a DK |
| 22:54.57 | WobWork | depends on how fail the tank is in picking up the Memory |
| 22:55.11 | WobWork | for Easydric, yeah, you should reroll =) |
| 22:55.20 | Dagmar | He doesn't have to worry about it. That's gone wrong enough times he's getting the memory whether he likes it or not because I'll MD on him |
| 22:55.33 | Dagmar | ...sometimes I'll MD on the mage, but you takes your chances with someone guzzling Kungaloosh |
| 22:55.48 | WobWork | A-KO: It looks like a cross between Mr T and the Hulk |
| 22:55.57 | Dagmar | My gf will now iceblock the moment she sees that symbol appear. lol |
| 22:55.58 | WobWork | (well, Mr T when he had hair) |
| 22:56.15 | WobWork | Dagmar: trained her well, I see to expect the worst from you =P |
| 22:56.28 | Dagmar | Well, the keys are pretty close together |
| 22:56.41 | A-KO | lol WobWork |
| 22:56.58 | Dagmar | ...plus it was so funny the first time I did it |
| 22:57.18 | Dagmar | That girl is _never_ going to get out of the habit of trying to run in circles to escfape |
| 22:58.37 | Dagmar | At some point I'm going to ahve to sit down and suss out what it takes to make some macros just auto-MD to whoever's flagged as MT/OT |
| 22:58.57 | WobWork | I just use my focus |
| 22:59.12 | Dagmar | At the moment i'm just manually editing the macro each time |
| 22:59.18 | Dagmar | s/macro/macros/; |
| 22:59.22 | WobWork | ugh |
| 22:59.29 | Dagmar | Yes, that's tedious. |
| 22:59.45 | WobWork | there are some decent MD macros that set/use/focus on pet on single click |
| 23:00.08 | Dagmar | Yeah but you can use unit name 'pet' for that afaik |
| 23:00.16 | WobWork | er yeah |
| 23:00.31 | Dagmar | I'm not sure if I'll have to do something not-so-clean to pillage the name of the guys flagged as MT/OT |
| 23:00.33 | WobWork | sorry, not focus on pet, MD on pet if your focus isn't set or isn't in range |
| 23:00.43 | Dagmar | I never misdirect on my pet |
| 23:00.54 | Dagmar | If he can't taunt or growl it, MD isn't going to help |
| 23:00.57 | WobWork | it's better than MDing onto yourself in an emergency =) |
| 23:01.07 | Dagmar | I'll MD to the tanks first |
| 23:01.09 | WobWork | ie, saving a squishy and the tank isn't in range |
| 23:01.10 | bleeter | more fail along the lines of the 14k trade from yesterday: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717565186&sid=1 |
| 23:01.21 | WobWork | or line of sight |
| 23:01.24 | Dagmar | ...but generally if I'm at my happy range, I'll use Distracting Shot, THEN Misdirect |
| 23:01.34 | Dagmar | So long as they take longer than six seconds to get to me, that works better |
| 23:01.34 | WobWork | true. |
| 23:02.05 | WobWork | In an emergency, I'm more likely to Distracting and then whatchamacallit thingie to 100%parrydeflect |
| 23:02.28 | WobWork | "Whirlybutton" |
| 23:02.38 | Dagmar | Disengage |
| 23:02.43 | WobWork | nah |
| 23:02.46 | Dagmar | "Whirlybutton" would be umm... |
| 23:02.48 | Dagmar | Crap. |
| 23:02.48 | WobWork | that's just the leap backwards |
| 23:02.56 | Dagmar | Oof deterrence |
| 23:03.01 | WobWork | that's it |
| 23:03.11 | Dagmar | Whirlybutton makes 'em run slower... but it doesn't work for beans on bosses so no point there |
| 23:03.20 | WobWork | that's saved me from some terrible trash pulls |
| 23:03.27 | WobWork | eh, bosses? You're dead anyway =P |
| 23:03.30 | Dagmar | Yeah I was wishing the other day I could castsequence /flex or /pose into that |
| 23:03.56 | WobWork | hehe |
| 23:04.10 | Dagmar | Nah dude, it's twelve kinds of awesome to have the boss get loose, you Distracting Shot him so he comes for you, then Deterrence to keep from DYING before that six seconds is up, and just typing /rude, /pose |
| 23:05.14 | WobWork | wait whirlybutton I mean deterrance |
| 23:05.17 | Dagmar | Yer six seconds of distraction run out, deterrence is still going, with any luck the tank has threat by now, or they just go back after the healer (who hopefully has *not* come running towards you) |
| 23:05.20 | WobWork | not concussion shot |
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| 23:05.26 | Dagmar | Ah concussive shot |
| 23:05.38 | WobWork | yeah, -that- doesn't work on bosses |
| 23:05.50 | WobWork | and doesn't work on most elite |
| 23:05.51 | WobWork | s |
| 23:06.22 | Dagmar | It's good for annoying people in PvP, and sometimes for making up for when you crater-land and attack something without realizing your pet didn't instantate |
| 23:06.31 | WobWork | I went into U25 as a hunter last night |
| 23:06.48 | WobWork | I was quite impressed at what dps I managed, for a toon that I haven't really geared up |
| 23:06.59 | Dagmar | You were on the motorcycle then? :) |
| 23:07.08 | WobWork | eh, ignoring FL |
| 23:07.13 | WobWork | who counts that anyway? =P |
| 23:07.33 | WobWork | if I wanted to pad on leviathan, I'd drive a demolisher with a good passenger |
| 23:07.34 | Dagmar | Well, when I do sometimes double the #2 guy in damage on that segment, I do |
| 23:07.46 | Dagmar | I'm ruthless about the oil and horn cooldowns |
| 23:07.59 | WobWork | gear really matters not aside from vehicle health on FL |
| 23:08.17 | WobWork | you want to do the damage? drive a siege engine and stack pyrite permanently |
| 23:08.25 | WobWork | and have a passenger that knows to keep you filled up |
| 23:08.59 | Dagmar | You can get away with a lot more than I expected on those bikes |
| 23:09.10 | WobWork | I just use the speed boost constantly =) |
| 23:09.16 | Dagmar | Yeah, I like that addition |
| 23:09.20 | WobWork | and round up all the dwarves from waaay across the field =) |
| 23:09.27 | Dagmar | I almost felt like I was quad-kiting for awhile there |
| 23:09.38 | Dagmar | Yeah I tried to get use the 100-dwarves-at-once achievement |
| 23:10.00 | Dagmar | SOMEONE had to run up and drop oil in the wrong place tho, so they got broken up again |
| 23:10.31 | WobWork | damn those bike riders! |
| 23:10.37 | WobWork | ...er wait... |
| 23:11.10 | Dagmar | I was like "Fast moving me... check. Large numbers of angry things behind me... check! Will it take less than two seconds to die if I go linkdead? Check! I must be quad-kiting!" |
| 23:12.16 | Dagmar | Now we run in circles for a bit! |
| 23:12.42 | WobWork | the worst is when you're in a SE or Demo and your driver DCs |
| 23:13.16 | Dagmar | eep |
| 23:13.16 | WobWork | "WHERE'S THE GO?!!?" |
| 23:13.46 | Dagmar | Maybe we can talk the devs into giving us a facility where we can type something and have a yellow italicized "!" raid marker appear over our heads for about 2-3 seconds |
| 23:13.52 | Jerub | did H ToC again last night. Wiped 7 times on Argent Confessor, then nailed the black knight on the first try. :/ |
| 23:13.58 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 23:14.03 | WobWork | >, |
| 23:14.05 | WobWork | >< |
| 23:14.07 | Dagmar | So who was dying first ont he paladin? |
| 23:14.16 | Jerub | dps. |
| 23:14.17 | WobWork | I'd offer advice, but druid healing is not in my experience =( |
| 23:14.32 | Jerub | then we swapped out so the shamman was healing, and we wiped. |
| 23:14.37 | Dagmar | Okay so you should edefinitely chew some butts about moderating DPS there |
| 23:14.53 | Dagmar | Having 4,000 DPS is only useful if the tank can keep up |
| 23:14.56 | Jerub | then one of the players got another toon, his priest healer, and we wiped twice on that before we got it. |
| 23:14.57 | WobWork | Paletress is a stone cold bitch to heal |
| 23:15.23 | WobWork | all I can suggest is tremor totem |
| 23:15.28 | Jerub | we had tremor totem. |
| 23:15.30 | Dagmar | WobWork: Yeah but in a PUG it's not what it should be... ie., the sole source of non-tank damage taken |
| 23:15.32 | WobWork | keep riptide off cooldown for emergencies |
| 23:15.45 | WobWork | have everyone group up |
| 23:15.46 | WobWork | and chain heal yer heart out |
| 23:16.12 | Jerub | I think that was a DPS deficency. |
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| 23:16.24 | Dagmar | It absolutely is. |
| 23:16.24 | WobWork | also, have everyone use a pvp trinket |
| 23:16.26 | Jerub | we just couldn't burn the dragon fast enough. |
| 23:16.28 | WobWork | indeed |
| 23:16.33 | Dagmar | If they can't watch their threat levels and adjust accordingly they suck |
| 23:16.36 | WobWork | woo, who did you get? |
| 23:16.38 | WobWork | Keri? |
| 23:16.47 | WobWork | Cyg? |
| 23:17.00 | Jerub | oh, we got the full range. |
| 23:17.17 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:17.22 | Dagmar | seven wipes means a lot of bosses appear |
| 23:17.28 | Jerub | it was a new one each time, we did 2 dragons, an oracle, a few others. |
| 23:17.37 | Dagmar | I think I've finally gotten a screenshot of the memory of Hogger |
| 23:18.06 | WobWork | hehe, Memory of Eck? |
| 23:18.08 | Dagmar | I was about to ask if anyone managed to throw back Eadric's hammer, but nevermind on that |
| 23:18.14 | Jerub | yeah, got memory eck. |
| 23:18.38 | Dagmar | The other night we stopped DPS at 10% and just sat there for 3-4 minutes soaking up abuce from Eadric and it just didn't seem to work |
| 23:18.41 | Shirik | woah woah woah |
| 23:18.41 | Shirik | woah |
| 23:18.55 | Shirik | didn't Barbie sue Aqua for that song "Barbie girl"? |
| 23:18.59 | Jerub | Dagmar: on a guild run we nearly got the hammer achievement, but someone did a crit for OVER NINE THOUSAND just after I said, "stop attacking" on vent. |
| 23:19.04 | kd3 | and they lost |
| 23:19.08 | Shirik | Well |
| 23:19.19 | Shirik | They just used an obvious ripoff of it in one of their commercials |
| 23:19.29 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah, out of desperation when i *should* have had the hammer to throw back, I went ahead and pressed '1' just in case |
| 23:19.48 | Dagmar | Luckily we stopped at 10% because '1' for me is generally Kill Shot, which I managed to do a 12k crit with |
| 23:19.58 | Jerub | lol. |
| 23:20.43 | Jerub | oh, I had a 'moment' on VoA 10man last night. I accidentally drew agro from a pat while everyone was still looting the boss and there was only one other guy near me. |
| 23:21.08 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:21.08 | Jerub | I was two shotted, and then the tank joined the fray. |
| 23:21.10 | Jerub | but I didn't fall over. |
| 23:21.17 | Jerub | I didn't realise that meant I was still alive, not just glitched. |
| 23:21.29 | Dagmar | You were 2-shot but still alive? |
| 23:21.34 | Jerub | I must've had 200 health left, and the tank drew agro. |
| 23:21.40 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 23:21.48 | Dagmar | Heavy netherweave bandages for the achy! |
| 23:22.11 | Jerub | fucking freaky. I was so sure I was dead I was just looking for the 'release spirit' button. |
| 23:22.41 | Dagmar | Been there before |
| 23:23.01 | Dagmar | Sneaky guild leader casting bubble on me after telling my MD tank to run out of range |
| 23:23.55 | Dagmar | MD failed, I didn't see it, one multi-shot later I was already looking for a fresh pack of cigarettes figuring there was no point in even watching what was about to happen |
| 23:25.07 | Dagmar | Things are getting better now that I have about 15 of those wands from easter |
| 23:26.46 | Jerub | the rabbit ears ones? |
| 23:26.51 | Dagmar | Now he knows I can turn him into a bunny without warning, things are a little less unexpectedly exciting |
| 23:26.54 | Jerub | yeah, i've a stockpile too. |
| 23:27.04 | Jerub | i keep one in my inventory for odd moments. |
| 23:27.43 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, reminds me that I need a bunny costume. |
| 23:27.44 | Jerub | I've turned our guild leader into a bunny just before we started on keri. |
| 23:27.50 | Dagmar | herhehe |
| 23:28.18 | Jerub | i've only got 3 wands left. |
| 23:28.32 | Dagmar | That's probably enough to get gkicked with. :) |
| 23:29.04 | kd3 | heh |
| 23:29.17 | Jerub | the one that gives you bunny ears is unlimited charges though ;) |
| 23:29.24 | Dagmar | kd3: Seriously tho if you have any of those wands you should try it |
| 23:29.44 | Dagmar | It's hilarious to see the tank run in for a pull, and then suddenly... they can't attack anything |
| 23:29.47 | Jerub | but the .. easter branch? is that the name of it? that's 5 charges a wand. |
| 23:29.57 | kd3 | oh, I rather enjoy inflicting all kinds of crap on my raid lead |
| 23:30.04 | kd3 | say... peddlefeet |
| 23:30.14 | Dagmar | Jerub: Crack fiends would have thought I had a serious easter egg problem during that event |
| 23:30.35 | Jerub | Dagmar: My Very First Week Of Wow was the easter holiday. |
| 23:30.43 | Dagmar | I was bound and determined to get every possible random drop prize |
| 23:30.46 | Jerub | Dagmar: I was a level 10 tauren running around collecting chocolates. |
| 23:31.02 | Jerub | did you have the bugged chocolates too? |
| 23:31.14 | Dagmar | I didn't notice any of them bugging |
| 23:31.19 | Jerub | ooh, you didn't see it? |
| 23:31.27 | Jerub | what happened was that you could get chocolate with an expired timer. |
| 23:31.31 | Dagmar | I started buying stuff with them pretty quickly after I'd eaten 100 of them |
| 23:31.50 | Jerub | so after the festival was over, you'd have a stack of 20 with an expired timer. |
| 23:31.56 | Dagmar | Oh anything happen other than the chocolate simply fail to disappear then? |
| 23:32.13 | Dagmar | I've still got two beer steins from the 4th |
| 23:32.14 | Jerub | eat 3, and then change instance server (i.e. go into an instance, or go to eastern kingdoms from kalimdor) and it would become a stack of 20 again |
| 23:32.36 | Dagmar | Hmm... that sounds like a naughty thing to do |
| 23:32.39 | Jerub | my cooking suffered because I had all this 2% health a second food. |
| 23:32.46 | Dagmar | I figure it's fair game if the beer fails to go stale |
| 23:33.02 | Dagmar | ...and it's saved me from myself twice now |
| 23:34.06 | Dagmar | You know, the beer that only spawns for an hour before midnight on important holidays and grants you 30s safe fall |
| 23:34.34 | Jerub | oh right, no, not seen it. |
| 23:34.47 | Jerub | i'm a drood though, so we have this safety-from-falling button. |
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| 23:35.20 | Dagmar | Yeah like, login before NYE, although possibly the midnight before or of Halloween might do it, and in the biggest capital city some kegs will spawn with drinking mugs on the tables |
| 23:35.42 | Jerub | iiinteresting. |
| 23:35.48 | Dagmar | Fill mug, get new empty mug. Fill new mug. |
| 23:35.57 | Dagmar | Drink until your liver files a lawsuit |
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| 23:36.43 | Dagmar | I filled my inventory with them for a giggle, because you know, dwarves and beer |
| 23:37.00 | Jerub | so THAT'S where beer came from. |
| 23:37.03 | Jerub | was sure it was orcs. |
| 23:37.13 | Dagmar | Once I realized they weren't expiring properly i just dumped all but three, figuring it would probably be more than I would need to cover the times I would be in freefall and remember to hit the button |
| 23:37.49 | Dagmar | Crap that reminds me I need to go to BRD tonight when I get home |
| 23:37.53 | Dagmar | I gotta see a kid about some frogs |
| 23:38.04 | Dagmar | ...and a jubjub |
| 23:44.51 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=105085.0 |
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| 23:48.21 | Kraps | i'm depressed because tanking is harder than dps |
| 23:51.09 | tem | Kraps, what does world first AN was merely a setback kill have to do with tanking being harder than dps? |
| 23:53.02 | bleeter | kd3: rawr hardware change! |
| 23:53.58 | Kraps | tem: well, i'm taking a break from tanking. in my far-fetched dreams i imagined getting the cool tank tier gear that drops in TotGC, but i might have to settle for the cool dps gear instead (this is also a dream btw) |
| 23:55.18 | Kraps | i need some more cheese with this whine |
| 23:56.42 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCJq7EAJJA |
| 23:56.48 | mikma | god how that phone is so handy |
| 23:57.46 | kd3 | hm? |
| 23:58.28 | bleeter | kd3: 2.6.30.5-43 :P |
| 23:58.31 | Dagmar | Yes, you never know when you might need to improvise an Ocarina solo |
| 23:58.38 | Dagmar | There might be a magic door that needs opening or something. |
| 23:58.50 | Dagmar | ...or you might feel like you've not gotten enough weird looks lately. |
