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00:12.18Thunder_Childhttp://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a1279/a1279_bm.gif
00:19.26Cairennlol
00:25.58Brunersif i only want to show bar1 with dominos when im possessed, can i ?
00:27.42industrialhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/4dbfa02b7b015aece23f096aff45384d.jpg
00:27.49industrialim in ur channelz asking for ur opinionz
00:29.17Brunersindustrial: what are the numbers? 25 - 30
00:29.37industrialRangeDisplay
00:30.24Brunersnot much to give opinions about really :P
00:30.27Brunerskinda empty :)
00:31.26industrialthe only thing else in the interface is when I toggle ~
00:31.27industrialhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/1c315f0c83ed921d39d4bc5d782fbcdc.jpg
00:32.01Shirikmy opinionz, let me show you thems
00:32.21industrialhears god crush another lolcat
00:32.34Shirikgood
00:32.36Shirikwe need less anyway
00:33.18industrialnp: onegai teacher - would you care for this kind of date
00:33.19industrialo_O
00:33.48Shirikyes, please (pun totally intended)
00:34.22Shirikdododo
00:34.24Shirikpower just went out
00:34.28Shirikoop it's back
00:35.07Brunersi should get a UPS
00:37.29industrial1ups
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00:49.39Brunerswee
00:50.16Brunersbonusbar:5 is one strange conditional name
00:52.52ShirikScytheBlade1:
00:52.54Shirikyou are hiding from me
00:52.56Shirikwhy
00:53.50ScytheBlade120:52 <@Shirik> you are hiding from me
00:53.54ScytheBlade1what?
00:54.00ScytheBlade1... oh
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01:00.59Shirikreticulating splines...
01:01.04ShirikI love Mozy just for that now
01:08.59NechcknSim city 2K?
01:09.33NechcknOne of those had a voice over when making a new landscape.. or something.
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02:06.25Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9UD3DK_XE
02:10.45ShirikNechckn: exactly
02:11.07ShirikMozy (my backup program) has a "feature" in it that it says that on the status bar at one particular point during the backup
02:11.28Nechcknlol, very nice!
02:15.44ShirikI think we keep breaking a circuit on this train
02:15.48Shiriktoo many laptops or something
02:16.01Shirikthe power has gone out about 15 times now, each time for like 2 minutes
02:19.41Krapsavatar needs to bee on the radio, its better than half the stuff on right now
02:19.50ShirikI appear to have found a race condition in Windows 7
02:19.58DagmarWelcome to the club
02:20.03DagmarIt's got quite a few of them
02:20.15Dagmar...but it's still less of an anal polyp than Vista.
02:20.15ShirikI can write to folders that do not exist
02:20.26Shirikand it lets me do it too
02:20.36Shirikand then I tryt to go back and look at what I created
02:20.45Shirikand it's disappeared into the abyss
02:20.58Shirikdoes NTFS has the concept of "lost clusters"?
02:23.05ShirikThe one thing that's really bugging me right now
02:23.10ShirikI'm writing DVDs
02:23.20DagmarIt's in denial about them
02:23.30Shirikand every time I do ANYTHING, the little window in the bottom right shows up with "You have files waiting to be burned to disc"
02:24.26Shirikok, I got it the first time I copied a few files there
02:24.28ShirikYou don't have to tell me EVERY time I create a new folder, or better yet, rename a folder
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02:28.40ShirikOn a completely unrelated note
02:28.48ShirikPandora runs amazingly well on a cell phone connection
02:29.00ShirikI swear, Verizon is going to put cable companies out of business
02:29.19ShirikVerizon is the google of telecommuniccations
02:37.54bleeterexcept for the whole lack of global reach thing
02:37.55Shirikhuggles Cairenn
02:38.03Cairennsnuggles Shirik
02:38.11Shirikbleeter: They got the US, so they got the important part of the world
02:39.14ShirikI really shouldn't say things like that anymore; the company I worked with relied on a group of people in Australiia :/
02:40.03bleeternot to mention how much of the US is owned by China ;)
02:40.53DagmarCHina doesn't own any of the US.
02:40.58DagmarChinese businessmen own it.
02:41.45DagmarCountries, almost as a rule, aren't allowed to own things on foreign soil (short of an embassy post)
02:41.56DagmarSUch things are called "invasions"
02:41.57Dagmar;)
02:42.06bleetertell that to stern hu
02:42.15Shirikor george bush
02:42.33DagmarNot my job to educate all the idiots out there
02:42.56DagmarOf course, if someone comes up with a job opening to say, cull their numbers I can fax my CV over
02:43.14Shirik...
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02:43.14DagmarYou're just not allowed to inquire as to my methods
02:43.18Shirikdid you just kill Dave2?
02:43.33DagmarHis socket was dead when I got there.  I swear.
02:43.34Shirik22:42 < Dagmar> Of course, if someone comes up with a job opening to say, cull their numbers...
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02:55.06DagmarYep.  THat pretty much sums it up http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/
02:56.56Shirikrofl
03:01.11DagmarIt's hard for "normal" people to come to grips with the reality of other people on the internet until they've become familiar with at least Gabriel's Greater F**kwad Theory
03:01.39ShirikI still can't come to grips with the reality that I'm talking to all of you from a train
03:01.42Shirikthat is moving at 70 mph
03:01.50Shirikit's kinda scary
03:03.23DagmarGood thing someone figured out a sane way to handle cell handoffs
03:04.09Shirikjust when you think about how much technology that is working together to let me do this
03:04.11DagmarFOr awhile they had those cool portamodems in San Francisco which let us just take the train to work and gave us back about two more hours of productivity a day with no one having to drive
03:04.12Shirikit's a bit crazy
03:04.33DagmarWe had our own little wireless LAN on the train, terms of service about that bedamned
03:04.43bleeterShirik: you should do internet from a plane... it's a bit faster than 70mph
03:04.53Dagmar...it's not like they'd have been able to see through our VPN anyway
03:05.02ShirikYeah I've heard about the internet on the planes now
03:05.08ShirikI haven't been on a flight that supports it yet though
03:05.12Shirikseems limited to international
03:05.18Dagmarbleeter: YEah that sounds all well and good until the first time the pilots do something with the throttles as you fire your gear up
03:05.28bleeterguy I was working with in 2000 was working on early implementations
03:05.37DagmarThen you just shut the things off and take the battery out while trying not to faint
03:06.20ShirikI just really can't stand planes
03:06.24DagmarI just about pissed myself the first time I fired up a new notebook on a plane, because at the exact moment I was trying to link my PDA and the new laptop, the pilots literally slammed the engines to full
03:06.27Shirikwhich is extremely ironic given my position with Boeing
03:06.35Shirikthey're just too crowded
03:06.40DagmarI was like "OH SHIT!  EMF PROBLEM!"
03:07.05bleeterprolly shouldn't be using foo out of cruise anyways
03:07.31DagmarTSA meddlers once asked me if I planned on tampering with flight control systems becasue of the amount of weird shit I was carrying
03:08.01DagmarMy response was very brutally honest: "I would like the plane to land in one piece in the location everyone expects it to land, thanks, so no."
03:09.02DagmarThere's just no way I would ever even try to *look around* the EM spectrum while in a plane
03:09.15DagmarThe odds of something effing up are far too high
03:09.28Shirikeh
03:09.53Shirikthere's so much redundancy I don't think you have to worry about it. I would be more worried about your own systems.
03:10.07Arrowmastereverything is sheilded too, or atleast should be
03:10.10DagmarSeriously tho... about that PDA thing, it was just random luck those two things happened at the same time, but I about snapped my PDA in half I was in such a hurry to turn everything off
03:10.33DagmarIt was like, (tiny click)-WHIRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE!
03:11.07DagmarI know the electronics are supposed to be shielded, but I'm also familiar with what "lowest bid contract" means
03:11.36Shirikreally, aircraft are not something to be trifled with. They only cut costs where they really can.
03:11.56DagmarI wouldn't trifle.  I'd like the thing to land in one piece.
03:11.56ShirikThey don't cut corners in safety-critical areas
03:12.02kd3one would hope
03:12.08DagmarAs to whether or not there isn't something I *could* possibly hack on one, that's another issue entirely
03:12.13ShirikThere is a reason the aviation industry averages 1 line of code per hour
03:12.20Arrowmasterthe actual transmitters and receivers that could be interfeared with shouldnt even be near the passenger area, unless you got something causing powerful EMI everything in your area should be shielded and safe
03:12.29Shirikit's not because the coders are really slow
03:12.33DagmarYou'd think ATMs would be more secure, since there's "real money" involved, and then you'd pen test one and find out otherwise
03:12.52Shirikthere's nothing safety critical about an ATM :)
03:13.13Dagmar...or just wait until the next massive windows viral outbreak and be greeted with a blue screen as you stick in your card.
03:13.24Arrowmastermost ATMs are runing a version of windows you could gain admin rights on in less than a minute
03:13.33DagmarMuch less
03:13.48Shirikhm
03:13.55DagmarThe main thing protecting them is that they're generally hooked up to a network most hackers would consider disgustingly outdated
03:13.59kd3it's pretty scary how insecure most atms are
03:14.21kd3and that they're built by diebold (hi2u entirely too easily cracked voting machines)
03:14.24Shirikwhat if you put a magnetic strip on your card that had more digits than your average credit card number
03:14.28Arrowmasterim giving a little extra time there incase you want to probe for multiple vulns first then attack them all instead of stoping and trying the first one you find
03:14.32bleeterDagmar: sorry alt-tabbed briefly. think it's more that domestic electronics has really crap shielding, tbh
03:14.35ShirikI wonder if there's a buffer overflow expoit there
03:14.49DagmarShirik: You'd better hope you used gloves because lots of htem will just eat any card they don't recognize
03:14.53Shirikwould be hilarious to code shellcode into a magnetic strip
03:15.00Shirikaw :(
03:15.07DagmarIncluding but not limited to, actual ATM cards from other nearby countries, library cards, and vendor loyalty cards
03:15.23bleeterolder mag strips, yeah... magstrips since about 1992/5, not so much ;)
03:15.27DagmarI was a LITTLE BIT PISSED about that when I went to Canada
03:15.43DagmarThe freaking thing ate my card without comment, and there wasn't a think the bank manager could do before my flight back
03:15.57Krapswhats with all the celebs at comic-con?
03:15.59bleeterbank managers aren't paid to think
03:16.14DagmarKraps: There's enough geeks around that that money matters
03:16.27Krapsseems so
03:16.32Dagmar...and who cares so long as they keep parading hot chicks in front of us
03:16.34kd3goddamn it
03:16.45DagmarTHat new chick on Warehouse 13 makes me wish I were born about ten years later
03:16.46kd3stupid reservation didn't reserve my seat a month ago
03:16.55Dagmarkd3: They seldom do
03:16.57kd3is now stuck in the middle seat flying out to LA in three days
03:16.59bleeterkd3: you can sit on the floor!
03:17.00kd3sighs
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03:17.16DagmarJust remember to take care of that at booking time from now on
03:17.18KrapsDagmar: the female agent?
03:17.32kd3I had figured I did
03:17.32DagmarKraps: Claudia, the looney hacker chick
03:17.34kd3>.<
03:18.07Dagmarkd3: Most airlines don't reserve your seat when you book the flight, so they can shuffle people around more easily at departure time
03:18.41DagmarI was a travel agent for about a year and a half.  TOo much stress but a _really_ useful set of skills to be gained there
03:19.15bleeterget the same skills when working as a contractor on another continent flying between different countries each week ><
03:19.23DagmarI highly recommend people still trying to figure out what to do with their lives get a job at a high-volume agency like Cititravel for awhile if they think their future career plans might involve some sort of travel
03:19.50kd3whee. bill's up to a cat 2 hurricane, but it's not going to hit the states
03:20.06bleeterlesson 1) travel agents won't look after you they'll look after themselves first. lesson 2) it doesn't take that much brainpower to do it oneself.
03:20.14DagmarHotels, cars, etc... I have never had a problem getting them cheap since I worked at Cititravel
03:20.18bleeterkd3: you were hoping it'd take out your net connection so it had to get relaid?
03:20.32Dagmarbleeter: YEah but things like knowing what to look for are a different matter
03:20.36kd3lol. I'd be offline for 3 months before they finally got around to us
03:20.55Arrowmasterwhere are you?
03:21.02kd3the middle of nowhere west of atlanta
03:21.07bleeterarse end of atlanta
03:21.09Arrowmastermeh thats nothing
03:21.24kd3is paying entirely too much for 1.5/128 dsl and is barely getting that
03:21.25DagmarPlus, it means I can't be screwed by any snitty bitch at the checkin desk trying to tell me that fifteen minutes is enough time to change planes in DFW (for example)
03:21.34Arrowmasterour MT for classic and TBC was in burmuda
03:21.40TorhalDagmar: You just reminded me I have three unwatched episodes.
03:21.42kd3ouch
03:21.51Dagmar...although I've done that
03:21.52ShirikDagmar: I just go with first class all the time :)
03:21.56Arrowmasterhe had 3 different ISPs that he would swtich between to get the best connection
03:21.59Shirikso much easier
03:22.20kd3yes, but proles like me can't afford first class (maybe in a few years when I've got a non-crap amount of skymiles)
03:22.20bleeterArrowmaster, kd3: you ain't lived 'til you've been in Tasmania, MT in Singapore, heals from EU ;)
03:22.33DagmarBefore 9/11 if you went barreling through DFW at full tilt wearing jackboots and a long leather trenchcoat, you wouldn't get flying tackled by panicky staff who watch too much TV
03:23.02Dagmar...although you would have a small crowd of them trailing along behind you "just in case"
03:23.09kd3lol
03:23.36DagmarI had a laptop under both arms and was bound and determineed to make that next flight
03:23.47DagmarLIke that old Hertz commercial with Ojay
03:24.10Shirikyou'd probably get shot if you did that now
03:24.11Shiriktbh
03:24.14bleeterDagmar: did you ever experience Frankfurt airport pre-9/11?
03:24.15DagmarProbably
03:24.21Shirikwhich is sad because they have no good reason to shoot you
03:24.26Dagmarbleeter: I have an "attention span" issue
03:24.30Shirikexcept that you're wearing a trench coat
03:24.30DagmarI don't do international flights.
03:24.37Shirikand running through the security line
03:24.45Shirikoh you didn't even say that
03:24.49Shirikyou just said running around :P
03:24.52DagmarI really, really, really worked to avoid being sent to China or Taiwan when I worked for iAsiaWorks
03:25.18DagmarShirik: I went from the next to last gate at one end to the third from last gate on the other side of the circle
03:25.24DagmarI hauled _ass_ through that airport
03:26.02bleeterFrankfurt airport was pretty tough when I was there, pre 9/11... it's where Pan Am 103 came from, apparently that was when they toughened it up
03:26.04DagmarTHey've got a train thing because that place is BIG, but it's not useful if you're in a hurry because you have to wait for the damn thing to come around
03:26.22bleeterthey did a full frisk on me 'coz I had a limp haha
03:26.37DagmarWHen you carry two laptops you ALWAYS get the full search
03:26.44DagmarYou can pretty much count on it
03:26.53ShirikWhat I don't understand is why people are so concerned about planes these days
03:26.54DagmarIt's very random, indeed.
03:27.03DagmarShirik: BEcause they watch too much damn TV
03:27.12Shiriklike, so we made planes as secure as possible
03:27.13Shirikgreat
03:27.17DagmarNo we didn't
03:27.23Shirikthere is ZERO security for trains, or better yet
03:27.26kd3meh... the only recollection of international air travel I have is me flying into/out of amsterdam back when I was 14 (97ish). seeing loaded ak-47s freaked the hell out of me
03:27.27DagmarWe filled the airports with as much feelgood bullshit as possible
03:27.36kd3security theatre </3
03:27.43Shirikwell sure Dagmar
03:27.45Shirikbut my point is
03:27.48DagmarShortly after 9/11 American Airlines had a GREAT random search policy
03:27.49Shiriktake your average skyscraper
03:28.02Shirikwhat is its security level?
03:28.08Shirikinside and outside?
03:28.11DagmarEveryone's sitting around the terminal waiting to board, and the little attendant picks up her mic and basically says this...
03:28.16Shirikdo they even KNOW what's going on outside?
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03:28.49Dagmar"WOuld the people sitting in seats F12, G1, A23, K4, and H21 give any questionable items to the people they are travellig with before approaching the counter to be searched."
03:28.57bleeterkd3: haha the ak47s!!! in frankfurt it was ak47 (or similar) over one shoulder, 12guage shotgun(or similar) over other, pistols holstered left and right hahaha
03:28.58kd3s/14/12/
03:29.03bleeterkd3: I'd forgotten that memory
03:29.05Shirikrofl Dagmar
03:29.23DagmarYeah I was PISSED about being made to put up with things that as a security professional I knew were completely crap
03:29.31DagmarLike the "random" searches of people with expensive laptops
03:29.37Shirikor sandals
03:29.41Dagmar23 searches out of 23 flights is NOT random
03:29.41bleeterkd3: it was pretty much 'These are the type of security guys you DO NOT FUCK WITH' ;)
03:29.47kd3yar
03:30.12Shirikmy dad has found that every time he wears his strap-on sandals, he gets searched every time
03:30.23bleeterShirik: I'm so glad you said 'sandals'
03:30.29Shirikas opposed to?
03:30.33kd3thongs
03:30.33ElusiveSandals
03:30.38DagmarCuz arabs wear sandals dontcha know.  THey do it on the teevee all the time
03:30.50bleeterkd3++
03:30.57bleeterkd3 knows his enAU! ;)
03:31.01DagmarIF you're wearing a strap on thong I suspect you're not heading to the airport
03:31.01Shirik...
03:31.08Shirikis that seriously enAU?
03:31.18Shirikyou guys are messed up
03:31.21kd3it's old (like 50s, 60s) english
03:31.35DagmarShirik: Just don't say "fanny pack" in front of them.  ;)
03:31.38bleeterShirik: enAU thong = flipflop
03:31.46bleeterkd3++
03:31.55Shirikyou are forgetting the ~ :(
03:31.59Shirik3rd time today
03:32.05bleeter~kd3++
03:32.10DagmarWhen the guild leader moved to AU to be with the new wife and her kids, he once told them "Get your fanny to the kitchen table now!"
03:32.28DagmarALl he got was some wide-eyed looks of shock from the entire family
03:32.34Shiriklol
03:32.37kd3lol
03:32.41Shirikwhat does that mean?
03:32.42bleeterShirik: nah, ~ isn't needed
03:32.44Shirikto AU?
03:32.47Shirikreally?
03:32.54bleeteroh, hang on.. yeah nm
03:32.57DagmarIt's slang for erm, part of a woman's very womanly anatomy in AU and UK
03:33.11Shirik..
03:33.23bleeterDagmar: that's nothing... there's a line in Astroboy about smacking some girl on the fanny
03:33.23DagmarIt's not a word you generally direct at nine-year-olds.  Heh
03:33.44bleetergets broadcast uncensored lolol
03:33.49DagmarIn the US, it's something your grandmother would say
03:33.54Shirik^
03:33.59Thunder_Childanyone have another HoN beta invite?
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03:35.32bleeterDagmar: anyways, yeah... dark iron fanny back is source of much mirth and amusement on Oceanic realms... and prolly UK realms too (at a guess)
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03:38.09Shiriklol
03:38.17Shirikyeah, definitely means something completely different in the US
03:39.18bleeterenUK/AU/NZ would be 'bum bag'
03:40.10jaxdahlhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanny
03:40.15KrapsALSO, do not get friend who chosen difference race from u to gain abyss point together by killing each other in the mutual agreement(it's called abusing in Korean, and so many fucking GM pretending to be just a normal player walks around the whole abyss area to find if any eloyian and asmodian do this. NCSoft will absolutely ban u if they find u.)
03:40.24KrapsHAHAHAHAHAHA
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03:43.30Adys"Will Nintendo adopt it? Because I want a Qi Wii. And assemble it in Finland so the factory's website will be QiWii.fi"
03:43.56ScytheBlade1okay, the simple difference in meaning between the US, AU, and NZ for that word is crazy
03:43.58ShirikQi Wii
03:44.01Shirikthat is awesome
03:44.09Adysby rabiddeity (941737) on Monday August 17, @08:21PM (#29099457) Homepage
03:44.09AdysWhy not New Zealand instead of Finland? Then you could have a Kiwi Qi Wii.
03:44.15taledenshouldn't a Qi Wii be made in new zealand?
03:44.26Adysold
03:44.30taledenby 6 seconds
03:44.30taleden:X
03:44.34Adysvery old
03:44.34Shirik:(
03:44.40Adys<PROTECTED>
03:44.43Adysalso
03:44.46Adysits pronounced chee
03:44.57taledentouchy crowd
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03:46.49Shirikso what Adys
03:47.01ShirikJapanese does not have a Q
03:47.09Shirikso we will pronounce it as a K because we can
03:47.15Adysso thats why theres no QQ in japanese games
03:47.53Shirikno
03:47.57Shirikthey have KyuKyu instead
03:48.33ShirikI think TT looks more like crying anyway
03:48.55AdysTT looks like π here
03:49.05Shirikwho the hell cries at an angle
03:49.29Adyswho the hell has vertical pupils?
03:49.36Shirikthose are teardrops
03:49.37Shirikwtf
03:49.45Adysok
03:49.49Shirikthe eyes are horizontal
03:49.49Adyswho the hell has no pupil?
03:49.55AdysWTF.
03:49.58Shirikpeople who have their eyes closed
03:50.01kd3>.<;
03:50.04Shirikand japanese people
03:50.12Shirikbecause their eyes are always closed
03:50.15Adys._.'
03:50.29Adysactually
03:50.34Shirikwho the hell has eyes that consist entirely of pupils!
03:50.35Adys·_·'
03:50.44Adysi do.
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03:50.53Shirikthat must suck
03:50.57kd3gah. maybe I should turn joins/parts back off
03:51.06kd3seeing people with fios in their host mask just makes me burn with envy
03:51.12Shirikkd3: You do the most join/part spam anyway
03:51.15kd3lol
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03:51.23bleeterpwned
03:51.29Shirikcareful Adys, you'll set off shiibot that way
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03:51.53Adyswhy would you need a BC UI dinner
03:51.59Adyswouldnt a WLK UI dinner make more sense
03:52.06Shirikblizzcon fool
03:52.17Adyswassup fool
03:52.18kd3'magisters' terrace was merely a setback'
03:52.31Shirikeverything is just a setback
03:52.48ShirikI mean, taking knives and axes and fireballs and lightning to the face by 25 people
03:52.50Adyshttp://translationparty.com/#1687651
03:52.55Adys:(
03:52.56Shirikanyone can walk that off
03:53.03Shirikespecially if wearing cloth
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03:53.14Adyshttp://translationparty.com/#1687695 wtf how did that happen
03:53.25kd3the hell?
03:54.00Shirikobvious translation
03:55.05ShirikI think I pissed it off
03:55.19Shirikhttp://translationparty.com/#1687946
03:56.14kd3fail... I'm going to blizzcon, blizzard. don't send me email asking me to watch it on directv
03:56.54Shirikadys: http://www.zazzle.com/mousepad-144777495634513410
03:57.00Shiriktotal win imo
03:58.48Krapsholy hell http://translationparty.com/#1688551
03:59.03Dumankd3: heh
03:59.40Adysomg Shirik
04:00.02Adyswhat sentence is that?
04:00.27Jerubhttp://translationparty.com/#1688845
04:00.34Shirik?
04:00.52AdysShirik: the one on the mousepad
04:00.55Adysthe original sentence
04:01.27Shirik<PROTECTED>
04:01.45Adysno Shirik
04:01.46Adyshttp://www.zazzle.com/mousepad-144777495634513410
04:02.02ShirikI'm not sure what you're asking
04:02.10kd3what generated ^ ?
04:02.19AdysMy girlfriend BIRIJIN. She is my child and my son. I think it's a girl.
04:02.44Shiriktranslation party can generate shirts/mugs/whatever
04:03.24Jerubhttp://translationparty.com/#1689326
04:03.34kd3ya... but what was that sentence's original input?
04:03.51kd3<x> -> "My girlfriend BIRIJIN. She is my child and my son. I think it's a girl."
04:03.55kd3what's <x>?
04:04.05Adysan invalid xml tag
04:04.11Adyss/xml/html/
04:04.48Krapswonders why no one understands kd3
04:05.01Shirikbecause
04:05.03Shirikhe's a gnome
04:05.08Shirikgnomes should be ignored anyway
04:05.15AdysGNOME PRIEST?!
04:05.22kd3wtb
04:05.29kd3wtb a gnome druid more
04:05.49ShirikI will kill myself if/when that happens
04:05.57AdysOk Shirik
04:05.59Shirikwait wait
04:06.00Shirikwait
04:06.02AdysTOO LATE
04:06.05AdysPREPARE THE KNIVES
04:06.07Shirikwould they be like little puppies and kittens?
04:06.14Shirikbecause that would be totally awesome
04:06.26kd3caydiem suggested 'bear cub and kitten' forms back in 1.11
04:06.41Jerubuh, I'm curious as to the answer of kd3's question too.
04:06.43Adysi remember the tamable bear cubs
04:06.51kd3http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.11_%28Evil_Patch_Notes%29
04:06.55JerubI would like to know what input confused translation party to the point that someone is my omther and child.
04:08.55Jerub<PROTECTED>
04:09.21Shirikagree with patch
04:09.24JerubI wish that were the case. in my battlegroup in the 70-79 bracket on IoC and SotA that happens in 3/4 games.
04:11.40Thunder_Childhttp://translationparty.com/#1690785
04:13.01Adyshttp://translationparty.com/#1690964
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04:13.20Adyshttp://translationparty.com/#1691062 wtf
04:13.29AdysThe question of her aunt and uncle were my balls
04:14.34Jerubhttp://translationparty.com/#1691238
04:15.14Adyshttp://translationparty.com/#1691357
04:16.04Sesshuthe baby kick!
04:17.27Krapswhen was the last time cog typed something?
04:17.33Adys~seen cog|away
04:17.36purlcog|away is currently on #wowprogramming #lua-wow #wowuidev, last said: 'any curse.com people here?'.
04:17.43cog|away~seen cogwheel
04:17.44purlcogwheel <n=cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 6h 24m 1s ago, saying: '~vs fisker trout'.
04:17.46cog|away~seen cog|work
04:17.47purlcog|work <n=cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 5h 24m 27s ago, saying: 'Cide: yeah, that would be a bit better, but it still splits the logic unnecessarily'.
04:17.50kd3383 minutes ago
04:17.58Adys10 seconds ago
04:18.24Sesshulol
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04:19.52cogwheelhmm... speaking of which... my account expires at 6:34:19 PM tomorrow... /ponder
04:20.12cogwheel/evil
04:20.44Krapswhat does this even mean
04:20.46KrapsKilling a Tseric should aggro every Tserics in a 40 yd radius. It makes sense, you are actually killing their best friend.
04:21.18Adysi remember that
04:21.21cogwheellol
04:21.31kd3it's a memetic mutation of the 'skinning a bear should aggro every bears in a 40 yd radius. it makes sense, you are actually skinning their bet friend.' meme
04:21.32AdysAll Tserics Tseric BATORUKIRINGU radius of 40 yards. This is actually my best friend is dead.
04:21.35Adyshttp://translationparty.com/#1692407
04:21.38JerubRadius, to fight the bear KUMASUKININGU 40 yards, all may be. This is actually the best of friends and the skin.
04:21.42Jerubhttp://translationparty.com/#1692417
04:21.51kd3I've got a similar mutation as my signature on the official forums right now
04:21.59Adyswhich?
04:22.01Jerublol. you just tried the same one i decdied to try
04:22.07Jerubfollowed too many links on wowwiki.com
04:22.41kd3'skinning an addon author should aggro every addon authors in a 40 yd radius. it makes sense, you are actually skinning their best friend.'
04:23.01kd3hi2u 'new addon policy'
04:23.08Jerubhey, does anyone else think that the most suss item in WoW is the 'Morning Glory Dew' ?
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04:23.28Thunder_Childwaa, http://translationparty.com/#1692755
04:23.33Thunder_Childnsfw
04:24.01Krapsreading his posts on the wowwiki page, its like watching the slow mental deterioration of a man
04:24.20JerubKraps: whose posts?
04:24.27Krapshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Tseric
04:25.09kaidenhey all, trying to find an addon that performs the same function has SexyMap's Overlay for resource gathering
04:25.50Arrowmasteryou mean hudmap?
04:26.13Adystseric was great
04:27.39kaidenArrowmaster, yes, but i'm not finding an addon called hudmap
04:27.52kaidenor anyone that does similar to sexymaps
04:27.57jaxdahl~alert
04:27.58purlI'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons...
04:28.03Arrowmasteri meant the hudmap feature of sexymap
04:28.08Arrowmastertry gatherhud
04:28.17Arrowmasteror is it gathererhud
04:28.48kaidenthanks
04:28.49kaidenfound it :)
04:30.38Krapsthese fail singing auditions on youtube are win
04:31.05Kraps"holistic vocal coach" my arse
04:32.21Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAI8qkUgqU4&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
04:32.29kaidenArrowmaster, apparently hasn't been updated in a long while and doesn't work :(
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04:37.41ShirikI've been burning DVDs for about the last 6 hours non-stop
04:37.51ShirikI accidentally just touched the metal plate on the side of the drive
04:37.54Shirikand burned my hand
04:37.55Arrowmasteri thought you were on a train?
04:38.05ShirikI am
04:38.21ShirikI'm not sure how that's mutually exclusive with burning DVDs...
04:38.34Arrowmasterso how many dvds have you burnt?
04:38.43kd3...2
04:38.51Shirikabout 15
04:38.58Arrowmasterslow
04:39.03Shirik:(
04:39.14Shirikactually it's taking me pretty long to figure out exactly what files to put on a given DVD
04:39.19Sesshuselling illigal film dvds on ebay?
04:39.21Shirikso yeah aI am going a bit slow :(
04:42.50KrapsSesshu: hes on a train, hes going to a popular train station and is going set up a table
04:43.29Sesshua table huh
04:43.58Shirikmy tables
04:44.00Shiriklet me show you them
04:44.07Sesshuok
04:44.12Krapsoh no
04:44.30Sesshulet me see them!
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04:51.29Krapsshe bangs! she bangs!
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04:53.32Shirikthwacks Kraps with a Santanna
04:54.22Krapshttp://www.santannaenergyservices.com/index.php
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05:02.00NiLonwhat is to bind function to slash command?
05:02.25ScytheBlade1It isn't a function, but a pair (or more) of global variables
05:02.48NiLonaha
05:02.52ScytheBlade1http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command
05:06.32NiLonI see, thank you
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05:17.48Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AgzCNwqfuY&feature=response_watch <33333333333
05:20.01NiLontheorical question, if you know mob name or guid, can you check it's hp if it's in range without targeting it?
05:21.32ScytheBlade1no
05:21.41ScytheBlade1well
05:21.53ScytheBlade1mouseover, target of target, party1target, etc
05:22.11ScytheBlade1but you can't query arbitrary data
05:22.40NiLonok, I just tought something like in mimiron that you could get hp of 3 parts while you got 1 in target and so on
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05:24.04NiLonso only option would be target by name, get hp and swap back to prev target
05:24.18NiLondoes thiskind action cause "flickering" in ui?
05:25.35cogwheelShirik|zZz:
05:25.38NiLonand those are protected hmm
05:25.41Relcusewould a button that just performs a '/tar Something' have to be a secure button?
05:26.09cogwheelShirik|zZz: nm
05:26.21ScytheBlade1cogwheel: tease
05:26.31ScytheBlade1NiLon: chances are you can't do what you're trying to do, but I may be wrong
05:27.15NiLonScytheBlade1 well I checked api listing and it says that targeting functions are protected so I think user needs to spam somekind button to get it to function :D
05:27.23ScytheBlade1correct
05:29.07NiLonis it somekind bug that when I register event UNIT_RAGE for example and sometimes it won't show rage to drop to 0?
05:29.36NiLonI think it's because it seemed like rage was dropping 3 units per update and if there were like 5 rage left it did just show 2 and then nothing
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05:36.21devZeroanyone know how to filter eventtrace?
05:38.10devZerotrying to view specific event types, and there's just too much info flowing in the trace to keep up.
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05:54.58devZerohmmm... anyone know anything regarding the function "QuestLog_SetSelection" it doesn't appear on wowprogramming.com or wowwii.
05:55.03devZeroerr wowwiki
05:55.22devZeroseems to be causing a windows to open when I go turn in a quest.
05:55.32devZeroerr nvm
05:56.10Relcuseall i know is that if you call it with the quest log id, it'll open up the quest description page for you
05:56.27devZeroright
05:56.28Relcusestrangely, though - it won't open the new doublewide log afaik
05:56.36Relcusejust a single quest pane XD
05:56.56devZeroI couldn't find it when I did a strings command on the wow executable... Normally all the commands are there.
05:57.04devZeroshrugs
05:58.43Relcusethe implementation is in QuestLogFrame.lua, if you need to peruse it
05:59.03devZerothanks
06:03.06Sesshuhuh oO wow slash command /c is bugged!
06:04.01devZerowow... what happened to wowcompares?
06:04.15devZeronot getting any formatting at all...
06:04.58jaxdahldevZero, noscript?
06:05.11devZerorunning safari... going to see if it's a problem there
06:06.13devZerosame problem in firefox...
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06:07.59devZerohttp://tinyurl.com/kjsqt9
06:08.28Sesshuomg mac!
06:09.08devZeroaye
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06:10.05Sesshuwowcompares is bugged
06:10.12Sesshusame here on windows^^
06:10.17devZerobleh
06:10.30devZeroanywhere else I can pull up QuestLogFrame.lua?
06:10.40devZerodon't seem to have it in my wow dir.
06:10.45devZerooh wait... nvm
06:12.52devZeroforgot about the interface addon kit.
06:13.08Sesshu!
06:13.59devZerocut me a break... I've been doing desktop development for the past few months... I'm outta practice :P
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06:32.16Adyshttp://www.geekologie.com/2008/04/04/defendius-door-lock.jpg
06:32.18Adysi want that
06:33.05Thunder_Childno you dont
06:34.20_rane"coming!..."
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06:39.25devZeroRelcuse: thanks again... found I could just hook the show function until my function was done, and it did what I needed.
06:40.02devZeroGot a big rewrite coming up... Not looking forward to it, but I can finally clean up the messes left behind from the people who edited this before me :/
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06:49.48AdysRe: The Real Reason Barrens Is Getting Separated Into 2 Zones
06:49.51AdysTHICK MUCH
06:50.00Adysits getting separated because its FUCKING HUGE
06:50.21Jerubthe barrens?
06:50.27Jerubman, the barrens is bigger than outland.
06:50.31Jerubit feels that way, anyway.
06:51.23Jerubit's got 3 instances, it's a level 12 to 30 zone, and it's equadistant to two horde capitals.
06:51.36Aquavette2k1whihc one is is the barrens again?
06:51.42Adysthe fucking huge one
06:51.48Adys3 flightpaths
06:51.53AdysTHREE fucking flightpaths
06:51.54Aquavette2k1the one with crossroads?
06:51.56Adysyes
06:52.13Aquavette2k1ah, thats why the rumours or orgimar getting destroyed might become tgrue
06:52.21Adysthey arent rumours
06:52.40Jerubcan they also destroy those spammers who lay out urls in dead bodies?
06:52.44Jerubthat's totally unhygenic.
06:52.58Aquavette2k1Adys: why is it not rumours? and when is this all suppost to go down?
06:53.08Adysmmo-champion.com
06:53.18Adyshttp://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=92919.0
06:53.39Thunder_Childit is still rumors
06:53.50Adysits not rumours
06:53.56Adyseven less so rumors
06:55.06Thunder_Childdepends how you define rumor. if define it as if it doesnt come from blizz it's a rumor
06:55.15Thunder_Childhowever, that doesnt make it wrong
06:55.31Adysso my farts that go directly in your face are rumours too?
06:55.42Thunder_Childin this situation
06:55.52Aquavette2k1I just can't believe they are wanting to push through wotlk so fast
06:56.08Thunder_Childwhat do you mean "so fast?"
06:56.28Aquavette2k1Cataclysm by 2010? how long was BC out?
06:56.33Aquavette2k1Vanilla Wow?
06:56.35Thunder_Childthey want to do one a year
06:56.35Sesshu2 years
06:56.40JerubI'm going to be pissed if it's an expansion as expensive as wotlk.
06:56.46Thunder_Childthey were late with BC
06:57.08Jerubcurrently to play wow in AU it's $150+ to buy just the game content, then subscription on top
06:57.21Thunder_Childyou dont have to buy it
06:57.55Aquavette2k1It'll be interesting to say the least
06:58.21TorhalAll I want to know is: Do you want to date my avatar?
06:58.32Adyshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU
06:59.07mikmashirik|zzz: you are craaaazy
07:00.12Aquavette2k1thats pretty good
07:01.16devZeroanyone use Portfolio? I was wondering if I need to be calling UpdateDependents() on my own, or is setting the table of dependent Options/Frames enough?
07:01.24devZerowait... nvm
07:01.53Thunder_Childif the guild is doing another pannel this year i think the should have saved the vid for that
07:02.25devZerohmmm... I wonder why this isn't running :/
07:02.33Aquavette2k1Damn that chick is hot
07:07.14the-golemone a year is too much
07:10.22TorhalAquavette2k1: Felicia Day
07:13.15Aquavette2k1yea
07:13.22Aquavette2k1she's uh, attractive
07:14.14mikmahttp://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/celebrity-pictures-ferengis-house-season.jpg?w=500&h=389
07:14.26Torhalmikma: Hah
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07:22.20Fiskerzomg
07:22.20FiskerChrome 4.0
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07:23.05ReAnlolwut?
07:23.38Fisker>:3
07:24.00AdysYep
07:24.16Adysand linux+mac beta soon
07:24.17ReAnwhen?
07:25.05Adyscouple of months top id say
07:25.13Adysthe alphas dont crash, they're feature-complete almost
07:25.24Adyslinux one is lacking a print dialogue
07:25.28Jerubapparently one of the recent mac betas supported http auth!
07:25.29Adysand flash still crashes once in a while
07:25.38Adyshuh?
07:27.16Jerubthe mac betas would just go straight to the 407 if you went somewhere that gave you a 401.
07:27.21Jerubbecause it doesn't support http auth
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07:28.38Fiskerslaps AnduinLothar around a bit with a large trout
07:29.04AnduinLothar:(
07:31.41the-golemwow
07:31.57the-golemreading that leak thread on mmo-champ. lotsa haters.
07:32.08ReAnwhich?
07:32.54the-golemthe original one. hadn't read the follow up yet
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07:37.14the-golemI espeically lolled at the troll druid haters
07:37.17KemayoWhich is sad. If it's accurate, I think it sounds pretty awesome.
07:37.28the-golemaside from the 2 on one side, 1 on the other side part
07:38.50Fiskerowned AnduinLothar
07:39.02the-golemKemayo: I agree with you
07:39.42the-golemAlthough a new class would be cool, I think. A new normal class even, doesn't hafta be a hero class.
07:40.28the-golemI'm dying to see some kinda Mage Knight
07:40.32the-golemruns away
07:40.47the-golemI've been wanting Mage Knights since EQ1, lulz
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07:42.54olafskiit sounds very awesome if it's true :D
07:43.22olafskibut remaking half of azeroth.. allowing flying in there (makes for really small zones I think).. I'm not sure they'll just "throw that content away"
07:43.42olafskiif it's true I'll have to reroll my 80 hunter to human ;)
07:46.45Aquavette2k1Battle Mage: give me please...
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07:47.21Fiskergiev plx
07:48.26Aquavette2k1wow there is a female gnome on my server named allisonangel
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08:36.58Adys« Reply #369 on: August 18, 2009, 04:56:31 am »
08:36.58Adys<PROTECTED>
08:36.58AdysI'm annoyed that the "You're time has come" typo in New Hearthglen still isn't fixed.
08:37.01Adys***WHAT***
08:39.57mikmahehe
08:41.04mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/kuvei/prior_to_accidents.jpg
08:41.43Corrodiasdiscovers that properly lighting the room is a slight challenge due to the layout of the white walls
08:42.41mikmahttp://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw30563.jpg
08:42.44mikmathats a cool addon
08:43.28mikmahttp://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=14448#comments
08:43.33mikmaand i'm trollin'
08:43.52mikmahttp://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9085#comments
08:43.55mikma:D
08:44.16Zyn-SHEILD
08:44.35mikmazyn-: see the comments xD
08:45.01Zyn-mmmmmmm ice cream
08:45.21mikmai have a fisker-day today
08:47.18Adys[11:42:29] <mikma> http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw30563.jpg
08:47.18Adys[11:42:33] <mikma> thats a cool addon
08:47.20Adyswhich one?
08:47.42mikmaadys: <1143> <mikma> http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=14448#comments
08:48.23AdysWarrior Tank addon-on that displays a message across your screen when Sword and Board proc's. Can also be set to play a sound.
08:48.24Adyswow
08:48.26Adyshow original
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09:24.30Wobinnomnom onigiri nom
09:28.43mikmak
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09:29.48Cruciformer'lo all
09:37.11Zyn-http://www.conspiracycards.com/Truther_Toys.htm
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09:43.09AdysFISKER
09:43.46AdysI HOPE YOU BANNED THE GUY WHO WAS ADVERTISING FOR WOWAWESOMEGOLDONLINE.COM, SAYING IT WAS AN AWESOME SITE TO BUY WOW GOLD!
09:43.52Adysquoting shit ftl
09:44.02Wobinrofl
09:44.04Adys(that link is 404 dont kick me bro.)
09:44.11WobinI love the "Do You Want To Date My Avatar"
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09:44.13Wobinvideo
09:47.24Fiskerdunno Adys
09:47.39Fiskerdidn't bother reading the quotes
09:47.58Fiskeror following urls :P
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09:50.02FiskerZOMG BLIZZARD GOT MY NAME AND E-MAIL HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
09:50.34SabarenBy signing up on their website?
09:51.54Fiskerlol'd
09:52.03Fiskerexcellent proof that police here are abusing their power
09:52.15FiskerA civilian cop got beat up by their own
09:52.17Fiskerlololol
09:55.29Cruciformeranyone know css fairly well?
09:55.50SabarenUse to, haven't used it in years.
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09:56.25Cruciformerif I have an elemt with class="whatever" ... is there a way in cs I can ay "apply a tyle to everything except those with class whatever"?
09:56.51Cruciformer(forgive typos my fingers iz cold)
09:57.07SabarenBy everything you mean the whole page, as in having <a> styled one way unless specified by a div?
09:57.16SabarenFor example..
09:57.27Wobinhm
09:57.39Cruciformeryessir exactly that ... I am using <a name="anchorname"> and I dont want that displayed as a link
09:57.42Wobinevery now and again, Penny-Arcade's RSS feed gets ahead of the comic
09:57.45SabarenIIRC, a class should override the general layout.
09:57.51Wobinand I think "Man, I might have missed a funny comic!"
09:57.56WobinInvariably, I'm proven wrong.
09:58.10SabarenThat's sad Wobin.
09:58.47Cruciformerso if I put in an empty style for it that will foil it?
09:59.15WobinCruciformer: You probably could with jquery
09:59.27Cruciformerwhat's jquery?
10:00.02Wobinoh that aside, yes, what Sabaren said
10:00.44SabarenWell, using name in an anchor tag shouldn't display it anyway, right?
10:00.52Wobinyou're really saying "Can I apply a specific style to a single class that is not the same from everything else"
10:01.51CruciformerSabren this is what I have, as per the W3C example for names anchors: <h2><a class="name" name="intro">Introduction</a></h2>
10:01.55Wobinanchors are generally invisible anyway
10:01.56SabarenStarting the Hinterlands at 49 = win, heh.
10:02.10Cruciformer*names=named
10:02.11Wobinjust have the first tag
10:02.24Wobin<a name="intro">
10:02.29Wobiner
10:02.31Wobin<a name="intro"/>
10:02.43SabarenYou want the Introduction to be styled as defined by class?
10:02.44Wobinpow, invisible anchor?
10:02.57SabarenShould belong in another tag.
10:03.06CruciformerSabaren: Or to be not displayed the way all other anchors are, yes.
10:03.33Wobinwait, why have "Introduction" there at all?
10:03.34Cruciformerall other nor <a href=> etc are underlined, in red etc. I want just a named anchor to not do anything.
10:03.37Wobinif it's not seen
10:03.38SabarenDo what Wobin said, it should default to the <H2> style or overridden with your own class if specified.
10:03.41Fiskerslaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout
10:03.43FiskerWobin!
10:03.55WobinI can't hear you Fisker. I have trout in my ear.
10:03.58Cruciformerhttp://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html
10:04.12Cruciformerthats how they tell you to do it, so I figured the W3C was right :P
10:04.18Fiskeri didn't aim for the ear :(
10:04.21SabarenI was actually on that page.
10:04.51Wobin<a name="intro"/> ?
10:05.03CruciformerIm gonna give that a whirl now wobin
10:05.35Wobinalso, from that page: Usually, the contents of A are not rendered in any special way when A defines an anchor only.
10:07.29CruciformerOk the invisible anchor thing works but I had to use <a name="whatever"></a>
10:07.43Cruciformerit didnt ike the XML style close tag
10:08.21Sabaren<a rel="nofollow" name="Account_PlayTime_Limit_Functions" id="Account_PlayTime_Limit_Functions"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline"> Account PlayTime Limit Functions </span></h3>
10:08.29SabarenThis is how WoWWiki handles the name anchors.
10:08.33SabarenIf you want reference.
10:09.19Cruciformerthe invisible anchor seems simpler and works :)
10:09.20Wobin<PROTECTED>
10:09.25Cruciformerbut thank you both for your help
10:09.47WobinI like how the venomhide raptor changes size as it grows up!
10:11.37Cruciformerhttp://kahluamod.com/ksk/admins.html
10:11.40Cruciformeryay working
10:11.44SabarenGrats!
10:14.00SabarenBoA: The new BG twinks. Instagibbing level 44s never felt so great.
10:16.35Cruciformertbh I am not sure why I am going to the trouble to document my mod no-one will read it but I figure there may be one user out there who does :)
10:20.00the-golemCruciformer: style the generic link first, then style for the class
10:20.11the-golemCSS follows specificity
10:21.06Cruciformerthe-golem: the specifi case is actually "apply no style leave it at default"
10:21.41Cruciformerbut I got around the problem without needing to resort to css trickery
10:22.02the-golemYou can do it that way, with CSS3, iirc
10:23.19the-golemI believe its like... a.class:not() ...
10:23.48the-golemok i lied
10:23.54Cruciformersee thats useful :)
10:23.55the-golemlike this: http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test-not.html#not
10:24.56the-golemHowever those samples are very vague
10:25.09Cruciformerand css3 isnt as widely used is it?
10:25.12the-golemgoing off them, i'd assume its a:not(.class)
10:25.27Cruciformeryeah that would have been the one to use.
10:25.31the-golemnot by a long shot
10:28.13the-golemWhat are you doing anyway?
10:29.31the-golemStyling source anchors or destination ones?
10:32.58Cruciformerthe-golem: neither, I was trying to set an anchor point for an href, using the <a name="anchor"> syntax, and CSS was styling chat anchor like all other hrefs.
10:33.25the-golemthats the desination silly
10:33.34the-golemthe href points to the name
10:33.43the-golemfrom A to B
10:33.45Cruciformeroh yeah. Im not fully awake yet :P
10:34.13the-golemHmmm.
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10:35.28the-golemright, okay. You could do it the CSS way. You could style all anchors, then restyle for the destination.. Or you could give the source ones a class and style those specifically
10:36.02the-golemwere the destinations always inside a header, or something?
10:36.36the-golemUmm, another thing. I was reading on the w3 site, and apparently you can use headers as the destination also
10:36.45the-golemskipping the whole problem
10:37.42the-golemhttp://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#h-12.1.1
10:37.46the-golemthat 2nd code section
10:37.52Cruciformeryeah I know I was just there
10:43.48the-golemnite
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11:01.47mikmahttp://www.ie6nomore.com/
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11:08.55SabarenFor its time, it was a decent browser
11:08.57SabarenLIES
11:11.06olafskiI still use it :D
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11:26.32Shirik|zZzAnyone here use photoshop? Any good reason I can't use curves? It's grayed out
11:26.49sacarascBecause you fail at life.
11:27.05sacarascOr you have to pay an extra $300 for it.
11:27.08Wobinwrong filetype?
11:27.19theorbtwoShirik: Is the file in, er, not palleted mode?
11:27.33theorbtwouses gimp, not photoshop, so is guessing.
11:28.00mikmahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CfREbZ1V5o
11:28.02mikmaPEW PEW PEW
11:28.15Wobinmikma:  seen the Guild music video?
11:28.25ShirikI don't know what palleted mode is :/
11:28.35mikmawobin: nop
11:28.43theorbtwoShirik: Indexed, maybe.  What is the source you are opening?
11:28.47mikma"lol, the 30k and 60k sound kinda. like farts XP. "
11:28.50mikmaawesome comments
11:29.18olafskishirik: indexed color is palleted
11:29.32olafskishirik: I think he means you should set it to RGB color
11:29.40ShirikI didn't really "open" anything, and yes it's RGB
11:29.42theorbtwoYes.
11:29.54ShirikI merged something together (5 TIFFs) through photomerge
11:29.55theorbtwoShirik: OK, there goes that theory.
11:30.17SabarenLevel 50 and stil lin Triprunner's Dungarees. :(
11:30.31Wobinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzCNQL_Pb8
11:30.37Wobinps awesome ^
11:30.38olafskithat's a good item though sabaren :P
11:30.52Wobinthe music's not bad either =)
11:31.10ShirikI remember triprunner's dungarees
11:31.29SabarenI just haven't found any agility legs.
11:31.36SabarenEspecially not mail.
11:32.30olafskioh you're not a rogue/druid ;p
11:32.47SabarenI am.. but my alt is an enh shaman.
11:33.16sacarascEnhancement shamans! Woo!
11:33.45mikmawobin: imho, quite horrible, you can do better than that!
11:33.45SabarenIt's fun.
11:34.36Wobinmikma: of course, but it's still pretty good =)
11:34.49mikmawobin: no, it's horrible!
11:35.08Wobinwell that's cause you have no taste
11:35.27Wobinand clearly don't like Felica Day
11:35.39mikmawhoever she may be
11:36.07mikmawobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZAQGTKhfM ^^
11:37.00Wobinmikma: you don't know who Felica Day is?
11:37.06Wobinman, crawl back under your rock
11:37.28WobinI mean, honestly, what game have you been playing =P
11:37.33olafskihah that avatar thing was fun :P
11:38.11theorbtwoavatar++
11:38.11WobinFelica Day is the ultimate WoW fangrrl
11:38.11Wobin-and- she was in Buffy
11:38.11SabarenWell there's two Ra bands then.
11:38.11Wobinand Dr Horribles SAB
11:38.20theorbtwoDr Horrible ++
11:38.29Wobinsee? People with -taste-!
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11:39.48mikmasabaren: i'm pretty sure this Ra came first ^^
11:39.56mikmawobin: i don't pay attention to fanbois ;)
11:40.24WobinWell I don't blame you
11:40.31Wobinit's the fangrrls you need to pay attention to
11:40.36Wobinesp if they look like Felica Day
11:40.41SabarenAlt ding 50 and shamanistic rage. :)
11:40.42WobinFelicia
11:40.51olafskicongratulations
11:42.02Wobinhehe written and directed by Jed Whedon =P
11:42.02sacarasc<3 shamanistic rage. Though it's not used much for getting mana back.
11:42.16Wobinlyrics by Felicia though
11:42.19BeutjuI have a question to http://pastey.net/121848 - esp line 10. It should show something like (H) ulduar (N) gundrak for example; but it will show (H)(N) ulduar gundrak; someone know why?
11:42.22SabarenI thought it would be ownage for staying topped off.
11:42.54sacarascAt least when raiding, enhancement mana rarely dips below 90%.
11:43.04SabarenI'm leveling. :)
11:43.26SabarenImp SS keeps up pretty well but my mana whittles down so I have to use water shield from time to time.
11:43.47mikmabeutju: i would just modify line 17 to be if x == 2 then return " (H)" end
11:43.55mikmabeutju: see the space there? hack hack xD
11:44.36Beutjuthis will do it? oO
11:44.37mikmawobin: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4224338/RA_-_9th-2008-PsyCZ
11:44.56Wobinpft
11:45.02Wobinwe've established you have no taste
11:45.07Wobinwhy would I want to download that?
11:45.33mikmaif case you liked the link i gave you, you might want to
11:45.56Zyn->Melodic Goa Trance
11:46.01Zyn-son, I am disappoint
11:46.11mikmasorry, all out of progressive!
11:46.31mikmazyn-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZAQGTKhfM melodic ain't that bad ;)
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11:47.55olafskimikma: I doubt that will fix beutju's problem, if the problem is really as he described :<
11:48.04olafskibeutju: shouldn't you replace a lot of those variables with _ btw? ;)
11:48.19olafskiunless you're using those other variables somewhere of course
11:48.46Beutjui will use most of them, when i'm finished
11:48.47mikmawell, the funtion is returning "(N)" and "(H)"
11:48.51Shirik8irssi needs a vim plugin
11:48.52Beutjubut problem not solved
11:49.08mikmashirik: you need a vim plugin
11:49.23olafskimikma: yes.. adding a space in front of them won't make it appear behind the instance name instead of in front oO
11:49.57mikmaolafski: thats because you haven't told the code to show it like that
11:50.03BeutjuShould be:
11:50.03Beutju(H) Ulduar
11:50.03Beutju(N) Gundrak
11:50.03BeutjuInstead it is:
11:50.03Beutju(H) (N) Ulduar Gundrak
11:50.04olafskiI haven't done anything :P
11:50.11olafskihe's concatenating the difficulty in front of the current InstanceName variable and the instance name behind it
11:50.12mikmayou just tell the code "show function return here"
11:50.19olafskiline 10 has the problem beutju
11:50.28Beutjuyeah but which, i don't get it
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11:50.43olafskiI think your personal problem is that you have 2 variables named InstanceName and instanceName
11:50.49Beutjuthis works:
11:50.49BeutjuUlduar (H)
11:50.49BeutjuGundrak (N)
11:50.53olafskitry some more meaningful var names to keep them apart :P
11:51.00Beutjuthats strange
11:51.19olafskisay you have only one lock, then that will make it (H) Ulduar
11:51.23mikmaare you sure you can use "\n" there
11:51.40olafskinow if you add the next lock it will become (N) [old value] Gundrak ---> (N) (H) Ulduar Gundrak
11:51.48olafskiwhich is not what you wanted I would think ;)
11:51.50Beutjuwithout the difficulty stuff (n normal, h hero) \n works for new line
11:52.18mikmaso, are you sure it works? :I
11:52.20SabarenSo much for patch tonight, rolling restart. :)
11:52.29olafskigood ;p
11:53.04mikmamore time for wow-lamers to use their dump exploit
11:53.15olafskioh
11:53.22olafskiwas just thinking good that there's no onyxia yet ;p
11:53.43sacarascThat's not coming till (at least) 3.2.2.
11:53.50sacarascAnd it would have been 3.2.1
11:53.50SabarenI love how people keep posting it on the forums too.
11:53.54SabarenAsking, is this alright?
11:53.56mikma<1452> <Sabaren> So much for patch tonight, rolling restart. :)
11:54.08mikmathat's what lead into the whole thing, sacarasc
11:54.13Beutjufirst for do is: (H) " " \n Ulduar
11:54.14Beutjusecond: (H) " " \n Ulduar (N) " " \n Gundrak
11:54.14BeutjuWhen i would interpret the code^^
11:54.25SabarenThen when somebody says no, they nerdrage saying it is alright.
11:54.35olafskisacarasc: oh. okay :)
11:54.37sacarascI know, mikma, reading is a skill I've had for a while.
11:54.48mikmadidn't seem to be so ^^
11:54.51SabarenI just trained my reading skill last night.
11:55.06sacarascI was replying to something else, maybe your comprehension is a little lacking?
11:55.15Beutjuoh wait
11:55.23sacarasc[12:53:25] <olafski> was just thinking good that there's no onyxia yet ;p <-- That, in fact.
11:55.27olafskibeutju: swap InstanceName and instanceName on line 10
11:55.28mikmadon't think so, you just failed
11:57.40olafskibeutju: but really, make better variable names.. you could rename InstanceName to InstancesLine or something since it has multiple instances
11:58.48SabarenI just use a t n and such for my var names. I'm bad. :(
11:59.03olafskimeh
11:59.06olafskiin some cases it's fine imo :P
11:59.09olafskiif they're really local
11:59.20olafskisuch as using k,v ;)
11:59.21SabarenYeah
11:59.36mikmaooh, 25e from chuck season 1
11:59.53SabarenOr your variable names can be function, format, for, and
12:00.02SabarenMakes coding more fun that way.
12:00.21SabarenIt's the puzzle within the puzzle.
12:00.28mikmapizza
12:00.29foxlitthose are kind of reserved.
12:00.36foxlitI'm sure you had a point, however :)
12:00.43olafski^^
12:00.51SabarenYou get the point.
12:01.05SabarenI saw some obfuscated example that used similar functions though.
12:01.09olafskijust use keywords from other languages for added fun
12:01.42Wobinthen try and compile it in that other language
12:01.51Wobinactually, that would be an awesome test
12:02.00olafski^^
12:02.18Wobin"Write code that only contains reserved words in various languages, and make sure it compiles cleanly in each language used"
12:02.29Wobin"PS, code must be more than one line"
12:02.30olafski:P
12:02.58foxlitahem = [[ for each Wobin in Wobins do]];
12:03.20WobinThat doesn't compile in Wobin
12:03.34WobinI don't recognise [[ as a delimiter =P
12:05.18mikmanow you do.
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12:05.43foxlitWobin: it's valid Wobin 4.2. Upgrade already.
12:06.17Wobinpft
12:06.34Wobin4.2 was depreciated ages ago
12:06.38Wobinanyway, that was still just one line
12:06.53olafskiadd some newlines
12:07.30Wobinsee, that's just not playing cricket. You're trying to -avoid- the rules instead of following them
12:07.51foxlitThere's one game all games eventually gravitate to.
12:08.00olafskiquake 2
12:08.03mikmai'd like to see a addon that adds funny stuff in other addons
12:08.03olafskidid I win?
12:08.11foxlitolafski: unfortunately, no.
12:08.14olafskidang
12:08.20olafskidecepticons we have located the shard!
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12:09.08foxlitWobin: but it's No-Rules Tuesday, which means that nobody follows any rules.
12:09.20foxlit[That game, of course, is Calvinball.]
12:09.35Wobinmakes the competition unwinnable
12:09.45Wobinbecause you didn't steal from second base on mars
12:10.04mikmago to jail.
12:10.17Wobinhttp://www.explosm.net/comics/1720/
12:10.35foxlitBut I've got the "space travel inversion" flag, which means unless you steal the second base on mars, I steal it by default without exerting any effort.
12:11.03WobinSorry, that flag was phased out ages ago
12:11.10Wobinit got replaced by the 'transfer directly into the sun' flag
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12:11.33foxlitThere's only one way Calvinball games end, too.
12:12.41foxlittackles Wobin.
12:13.39Fiskerslaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout
12:13.45Fiskertroutslap'd
12:13.55foxliteats the fish.
12:14.53Adyssee you all at blizzcon
12:16.45Beutjure; and thank you olafski
12:17.06Fiskerwtf Bibi-
12:17.13FiskerAdys can't go to Blizzcon ;E
12:17.34olafskidid it work beutju?
12:17.54Beutjuyes
12:20.12foxlithttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=154383&postcount=2 << boo, hiss.
12:20.37Beutjunow just one problem with addon studio for wow; i created an xml ui with it, but after a restart I cannot see the frames, buttons, etc anymore...
12:21.03Beutjui could click them and see the outline, but nothing more
12:23.46olafskihum there are graphical editors for the xml stuff? damn
12:23.49olafskiI've been doing it by hand
12:24.15foxlitYou can liken them to graphical editors for html stuff.
12:24.31olafskiand it actually works?
12:24.53foxlitI don't know.
12:24.58foxlitPresumably.
12:24.58olafskicause someone requested my addons "[X] checkbox description" layout be replaced with something of a more table-like look
12:25.18olafskithink I can still do it manually though :<
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12:27.11mikmawobin: instant brainfart: http://twitter.com/misskatieprice
12:27.33mikma"loving ibiza cant wait to see my children when there back from cyprus ! pete being a true cunt to me ! he left me nt me leave him"
12:27.44WobinSTRAWBERRY PICKING ...WHAT NEXT !!?
12:27.55foxlitmikma: 3 apart: "Holistic products for horse health"
12:28.18Wobinactually all I can read from this
12:28.31Wobinis "omg, Pete is looking after the kids, I have to go out and meet some more men"
12:28.45mikmaand, XXXXXX
12:28.57Beutjuhttp://addonstudio.codeplex.com/ @ olafski
12:29.00Wobinlots of hugs
12:29.01Wobinno kisses
12:29.38mikmaok, like, /nick mikmaxxxxxxx
12:29.39Wobinshe'd probably be able to fit more letters into her tweets
12:29.47Wobinif she didn't use so many spaces
12:32.56mikmawhat  do  you  mean ?
12:32.59foxlitteehee
12:33.07foxlitThere's a torrent of all TPB's torrents.
12:33.17olafskilol
12:33.19olafskimetatorrent!
12:33.42foxlit"We thought you liked torrents, so we put torrents in your torrents so you can be sharing information about information about information about possibly copyrighted material."
12:33.49mikma:DDD
12:33.51mikmaawesome
12:34.02foxlit[not actually a quote]
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12:39.55zenzelezzfirmly hugs Lopeppeppy
12:40.17LopeppeppyMorning, zenzelezz.  *grin*
12:42.25mikmawobin: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8206280.stm
12:42.38Wobinold =P
12:43.21Wobinalso...
12:43.23Wobin... Professor Robert Smith? (the question mark is part of his surname and not a typographical mistake)
12:43.33Wobinthe hell?
12:43.43mikmayeah
12:43.53mikmai'm glad you saw that one :D
12:44.22WobinHe's a mathematics professor in Ottawa
12:44.35WobinHow goddamned often does he get mistaken for the lead singer of The Cure?
12:44.45Wobinin -writing-
12:44.45mikmaapparently some woman is going to have 12 kids (at once)
12:44.50mikmain tunisia
12:44.55Wobinto beat octomom?
12:44.58mikmaya
12:45.07WobinI feel sorry for the kids =(
12:45.50LopeppeppyI feel sorry for her, 5 kids is damn hard on your body and leaves you a wreck afterward.  12?  You're a woman, not a friggin' cat.
12:46.10Wobinif she's doing it on purpose
12:46.13Wobinto beat octomom
12:46.19WobinI have no sympathy for her whatsovever
12:46.57Wobinanyone who does that sort of thing deliberately deserves no sympathy at all for what she's doing to herself
12:47.21WobinYou are -asking- for complications
12:47.24mikmahttp://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2009/08/richie_coverdale_busted_by_burglars.php
12:47.28SabarenI found out that GetTime() returns your computer's uptime.
12:47.30zenzelezzmust be tough being an emo actor... imagine if you don't make the cut
12:47.41Wobin~rimshot
12:47.42purlba-dum CHH
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12:47.58mikmawobin: well, she's not doing it on purpose. apperently she has had some medical treatment that resulted the 12 ...
12:48.22Wobinwell that's different
12:48.47theorbtwoCorrection: She had some medical treatment that resulted in 12 viable featuses, and chose to bring them all to term.
12:48.56theorbtwoDouble correction: to try to.
12:49.15mikmayeah
12:49.26Wobinok
12:49.29Wobinnot so different
12:49.45Wobin<PROTECTED>
12:49.46Wobin<PROTECTED>
12:49.46Wobin"Whatever the reasons behind this, the chances of there being a happy ending are pretty remote," he said. "The chances of all of them surviving are extremely remote and the chance of some of them surviving without any problems is unlikely - they are likely to have significant problems."
12:49.49mikma(not like she wanted the 12, most likely just one)
12:50.54mikmahttp://www.surrogacyeggdonorblog.com/tags/multiple-pregnancies/
12:51.25Wobinhttp://www.britainnews.net/story/395583
12:53.03Wobin"Nadya Suleman of Bellflower, Calif., currently holds the record for the longest-living octuplets in history." I know it's the nature of the 'record' but that's phrased so pessimistically =P
12:53.16|Jelly|pounces Peppy and tickles her unmercifully.
12:53.18Lopeppeppy*nod*
12:53.21LopeppeppyMorning, Jelly-dear!
12:53.36WobinThey might as well say "She holds the record for the longest not dead octuplets!"
12:53.55mikmathis is funny stuff: some dude stole cash from record-store.. moment before that one he left his name and contact info to the clerk cause he reserved a cd for himself..
12:54.00LopeppeppyBetter than the record for the longest-dead octuplets..
12:56.38Wobinhow do you beat that record?
12:56.52LopeppeppyWith arsenic?
12:57.14Wobinwell, wouldn't the person who had octuplets first always hold the record?
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13:00.50Fiskerslaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout
13:00.53Fiskeryou
13:00.54LopeppeppyNo, because often times one of the children doesn't make it, and then the "octuplet" set is broken.
13:00.59Lopeppeppy~Fisker ++
13:01.15msouljust installed recount, guess it is one of the addons you have to have
13:01.32LopeppeppyIf you say so.  I certainly don't install it.
13:01.34Wobinbut sure
13:01.38Fiskeryou're doing it wrong Lopeppeppy
13:01.45LopeppeppyAlways am, Fisker.  :)
13:02.02Wobin"The longest dead octuplets" will always get 'longer'
13:02.03msoulWobin: trying to get the basoic /commands now :P
13:02.14msoullike seeing it for myself, reporting it to party/raid or whisper
13:02.22Wobinbecause no later octuplets will ever be dead longer
13:02.33LopeppeppyOh, sorry, I had you a bit backwards Wobin.  Yes, they will always 'win', but they lost by all dying in the first place.  :(
13:02.39Lopeppeppyis morbid today. Hmmm.
13:02.51WobinIt's not a particularly -happy- award in the first place =P
13:03.08LopeppeppyI know.  I think this is my Wednesday Addams sort of day.
13:03.53Shirikhuggles Lopeppeppy
13:03.55Wobin"Are they made from real Girl Scouts?"
13:04.11Wobin(But it's only Tuesday!)
13:04.56Lopeppeppy(I'm in training, tomorrow will be worse)
13:05.02mikmawobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzoL-wQwio
13:05.06Shiriksee
13:05.14ShirikLopeppeppy ignores me always
13:05.52ShirikBoth zenzelezz and |Jelly|
13:05.53LopeppeppyPatience, grasshopper, I have to sometimes do work stuff too!  *poke*
13:05.55ShirikHell, even Fisker
13:06.05Lopeppeppypounces on Shirik and rubs chocolate in his hair.
13:06.08Shirik><
13:06.11Shirikwtf
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13:07.05LopeppeppyChocolate is my favorite food.  I'm sharing.
13:07.46ShirikI'm not going to say anything...
13:07.55Fiskeri never ignore you Shirik :(
13:08.16Shirikno, Lopeppeppy  paid attention to you Fisker
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13:08.38bluspacecow~lastseen Ackis
13:08.41LopeppeppyUgh.  Cannot win no matter what I say or do.  Okie dokie, I'm sorry still.
13:08.56bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
13:09.00Shiriklicks Lopeppeppy
13:09.04Shirikhey
13:09.06Shiriknot fair
13:09.11Shiriklaggy ssh ftl
13:09.13bluspacecowhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19377458967&sid=1
13:09.17Fisker~seen AckisWork
13:09.19purlackiswork is currently on #waruidev (4h 56m 22s) #wowhead (4h 56m 22s) #norganna (4h 56m 22s) #wowuidev (4h 56m 22s) #arl (4h 56m 22s) #wowace (4h 56m 22s) #curseforge (4h 56m 22s) #wowwiki (4h 56m 22s), last said: 'lua> string.match("Mooncloth","cloth$")'.
13:09.19bluspacecow>_>
13:09.24Fisker~seen Ackis
13:09.25purlackis <n=Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 10h 37m 45s ago, saying: 'single #'.
13:12.23mikmahttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14428-PatchFix3.2.html#comments
13:13.14bluspacecowmikma you already are mad :)
13:13.38mikmawho said that?!? :banana:
13:14.10bluspacecow<--------------------
13:14.13mikmamoo
13:14.13bluspacecowI did
13:14.30bluspacecowdoes that fix the "you are not in party spam ?"
13:14.57mikmabluspacecow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw
13:15.05Wobinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mLCPHLP54 a nice cover
13:15.09bluspacecow:)
13:15.12mikmahttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14444-YouArentInAPartyFix.html
13:17.08mikma"closes the edit box if you are typing in chat when you enter combat" <- nice feature
13:17.48Wobinoh yeah
13:17.49Shiriknot sure if that's good or not
13:18.04WobinI was in hToC earlier today
13:18.33Wobinand ended up not moving for a bit before realising I was 'chatting' it
13:18.40Shirikboy
13:18.44Shirikl2american
13:18.48ShirikrealiZing
13:18.56bluspacecowwobins australian :)
13:18.57Wobino.O
13:19.02LopeppeppyFisker, I never knew!  http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/fisker-karma-laguna-seca/
13:19.03Wobinwtf are you on about?
13:19.04ShirikI hate that word "realising" it caused me so many problems over the summer
13:19.07Wobinpft
13:19.12bluspacecowwell shirik
13:19.16WobinGet over the fact that only Americans spell that way
13:19.19bluspacecowi hate "prolly"
13:19.22Wobineveryone else spells -normally-
13:19.24ShirikBecause we called it realizing and australia spells it realising
13:19.27bluspacecowsounds like someone kicked you in the teeth
13:19.32Shirikand caused tons of conflicts in code
13:19.51Wobineh, I've gotten used to using 'z' in code
13:19.59Wobinit's just another stupid quirk
13:20.08Shirikyeah well
13:20.09Wobinat least in frameworks
13:20.11Shirikthis software I was using
13:20.16WobinI spell it properly in my own code
13:20.16Shiriktheir API uses realisation
13:20.22Shirikbut their UI uses realization
13:20.28Shirikso you can't just go from the UI to the API directly
13:20.32WobinSounds like the Mars Rover all over again =P
13:20.35Shirikyou have to correct every one
13:20.47Shirikso stupid
13:20.58Shirikyou know, this would all be a non-issue if they had some kind of sane design
13:21.05Shirikinstead of making every item a different type
13:21.14Shirikthey decided to make it all the same type, and then store a string which specifies what kind it is
13:21.25Shirikeven though they are NOTHING like each other
13:21.33Shirikso we had like 20 variables per "type" that did absolutely nothing
13:22.15Shirikworst api ever
13:22.22bluspacecowsounds erm "special" shirik
13:22.40WobinSounds like you would have had headaches even without the 'realis/zing' =)
13:22.51Shirikyes
13:22.59Shirikthe realizing problem just made it worse
13:23.04Shirikgeneralization too
13:25.48bluspacecowfixed a bug in my UI that i've been getting since wrath come out last night
13:26.19bluspacecowwhere i'ld get off a vehicle and it wouldnt swap my action bars back properly
13:26.27bluspacecowtaintlog ftw
13:26.35Shirikgotta go byes
13:26.44bluspacecowkk
13:27.55SabarenYou can use End and If and such as variables..
13:28.09Sabaren(going back to like an hour or two ago)
13:32.49WobinI've totally forgotten how much of a PVC travesty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03JVPaZpyc&feature=related was =P
13:35.05Wobinomg
13:35.06Wobin"In 2009, Dr. Alban will release a new single with Dutch-based Euro artist Haddaway. "
13:35.37SabarenThis is why I'm closed minded in the music I listen to
13:35.38Wobinit's the 80's all over again
13:35.49SabarenSo is power metal.
13:35.50bluspacecowwho?
13:36.23WobinHe sang that one I just linked
13:36.29Wobin"Sing Hallelujah"
13:37.09Wobinokay, early 90s then
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13:46.07foxlitWobin: who is this "Dr. Alban" and why is he jailing artists?
13:46.52krkadr alban is one of swedens greatest public shames :/
13:47.45SabarenI <3 Sweden.
13:47.47Wobinhehe
13:48.06Wobinall you have to do is see him in that PVC short shorts outfit and you'd agree =P
13:48.39mikmadamn you wobbly
13:49.51foxlithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L9RgU8KB6A << The horror brought to you by the worldofwarcraft forums.
13:50.15Wobin><
13:50.31WobinI can't believe there's a HD version =P
13:50.32mikmafoxlit: comment nr.2 = priceless
13:50.54Wobinmikma: me too =)
13:51.07foxlitXT-002's voice acting is awesome.
13:51.35mikmathere's some matches that really annoy you cause of the boss
13:51.39mikmaxt002 ain't one of them
13:51.44foxlitThough somebody should slap the voice acting team for the abomination that is Trial of the Champion
13:51.50Wobinoh god
13:51.54WobinWe start the instance
13:51.57Wobinand I go make a cuppa
13:52.03WobinThere's really that much time
13:52.05mikmakuppa xD
13:52.10foxlitAnd worst of all, it's silent cuppa.
13:52.12LopeppeppyThat stinks.
13:52.22mikma(1) Results for finnish word: "kuppa"
13:52.23mikma1  kuppa  syphilis
13:52.25foxlitI mean, ffs, you've got Tirion Fordring yelling stuff. Voice *him* already.
13:52.46WobinMimiron can get annoying
13:52.52WobinI can't stand Sara
13:53.05WobinI'm so glad they shut her up from her old random yells
13:53.15foxlitThose weren't that bad.
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13:53.21WobinThe screams?
13:53.24foxlitYes.
13:53.27Wobinso annoying
13:53.33foxlitMeh, ignorable.
13:53.49foxlitAlthough I suppose your neighbours might be puzzled.
13:53.58WobinThorim is kinda irritating
13:54.08Wobinhe's like an old dude with alsziemers
13:54.53Wobinof course, the irritation level of the voice is directly proportional to the number of times you have to hear it due to wipes
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13:57.52SabarenWould it be lazy to fall to your death and reincarnate so you don't hav eto run the long way around a cliff?]
13:59.07WobinSabaren: With the new Raptor mount dailies? I'm using the Higher Learning teleport book to get from Sunreaver Sanc to the Violet Citadel.
13:59.08Wimpsy`Pretty, yes.
13:59.11Wobin-That's- lazy =P
13:59.21SabarenRaptor mount?
13:59.27WobinHorde mount
13:59.34WobinFrostsabre equivalent
13:59.41SabarenOh
13:59.44Wobinexcept not so soul tearingly boring
13:59.45SabarenI don't have a horde
13:59.55Wobinand by god the hatchling is -adorable-
14:00.05Wobinand he grows up as you feed him daily!
14:00.17Wobinsocute
14:00.18SabarenSo you use the achievement teleport to go from the inn to the VC then run down and take the CoT portal?
14:00.31Wobinwell, run up, but yes =)
14:00.36foxlit"... you find yourself where the road ends and the countryside begins, and are given the game's sole instructions: go to grandmother's house and stay on the path. Grandma's house is straight ahead - stick to the path, you'll reach her in no time, safe and sound. You will also have failed."
14:00.47Sabarennorth
14:00.51Wobinfoxlit: That game is -weird-
14:00.54Sabaren?
14:01.02foxlitWobin: so I hear.
14:01.08Wobinreading a review, eh?
14:01.14SabarenWhat game is this?
14:01.15WobinI think I read that review also
14:01.15KirkburnThe Path
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14:01.22Wobinomg, Kirkburn speaks
14:01.32Kirkburnomg, hello :)
14:01.36Wobinwaves
14:01.58SabarenIs it a text game?
14:02.05KirkburnYeah, I've not been on IRC much for a while :(
14:02.11SabarenOr one of those graphical hoopajoobs
14:02.24Kirkburngraphical hoppajoobs
14:02.31Kirkburn*hoopajoobs
14:02.40SabarenOh I found some SS, yeah the quote above sounded like an IF adventure.
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14:03.00KirkburnWalk Forward. Walk Forward. Walk Forward.
14:03.19SabarenThat game looks creepy.
14:03.47SabarenI found Mor'vek
14:04.45foxlitThe problem with the various lost-in-the-woods games is that navigation tends to be troublesome, and puzzles resemble "hey, figure out what I was thinking here" connundrums.
14:06.28ZorbaBetaThe Path is pretty fascinating and I recommend it
14:06.34LopeppeppyHow the hell do I keep breaking things at work, using the obedient GUI the programmer gave me, I should NOT be able to break this crap.  RAWR!
14:07.04SabarenIf you make it, a user will break it.
14:08.24LopeppeppyI'm the user.  I tested this program, it should not break the way I just broke it.  It's insane.  It's one of those Schrodinbug or something.
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14:18.18WobinLopeppeppy: Isn't that the job of the tester?
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14:38.29Shirikalloooooooooooooo
14:38.29Shirikdid you all miss me?
14:38.46Kirkburndid
14:38.59Shirikhuggles Kirkburn
14:39.11Kirkburn:)
14:39.51Shirikso, 2 huge wasp nests now sit outside of my apartment door
14:39.57Shirikit's pretty epic
14:40.03Shirikthey took advantage of me being gone apparently
14:40.09Lukianouch?
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14:40.56Shirikno ouch
14:40.59Shirikgonna be ouch for them soon
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14:41.14foxlit"For each test case, output one line containing "Case #A: B", where A is 1-based number of the case"
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14:41.26Shirikcode jam?
14:41.31foxlitCode jam.
14:41.58foxlitBut something about "1-based" irks me.
14:42.09foxlitIt's too close to "base 1", which is somewhat... interesting.
14:42.24Shirik1-based is nothing like base 1 ><
14:42.35Shirikin fact I'm not sure there is anything like base 1 >.>
14:42.41Shirikmaybe base i
14:42.46Shirikor base e
14:43.02Shirikbase e^(jw)
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14:48.39Shiriktackles Seerah
14:48.49Seerahtickles Shirik
14:49.30Sabarenbase 1 would be like..
14:49.34Sabarencounting with sticks
14:50.00Wobiner
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14:50.02Wobincounting with stick
14:50.03SabarenOr am I missing the topic again?
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14:56.40LopeppeppySeeeeeeeerah!
14:58.42LopeppeppyCogwheeeeel!
14:59.59cogwheelLopeppeppyyyyy!
15:00.25LopeppeppyI lurvs you all.
15:01.01cogwheelall lurvs u 2!
15:01.24cogwheelcaffeinates
15:06.16Shiriktackles Seerah and Lopeppeppy and cogwheel
15:06.23cogwheelfoursome!
15:06.36cogwheelsmacks himself
15:06.37SeerahLopeppeppy!!!!!!!
15:06.40cogwheel(not in that way)
15:06.48Shirik...
15:06.50Shirikwow cogwheel
15:06.53Seerahlol
15:09.25p3limfound myself a iPhone
15:09.29cogwheelcontinues caffeinating
15:09.48p3limso now im resetting it to factory defaults and attempting to jailbreak it :)
15:10.06p3limgah iTunes update takes ages!
15:10.35Lopeppeppydances. Friends are fun!
15:11.43Seerahare you okay today, peppy? :)
15:11.56mikmahaha
15:12.09mikmasoon p3lim will have himself a virus infected ifone
15:12.47p3limyay!
15:12.57p3limbetter than my old phone atleast
15:13.12LopeppeppyI'm a bit punch-drunk, Seerah.  I haven't slept well since I got the new kitty, she howls a lot  in her kennel.  :|
15:13.13p3limhalf the keyboard was torn to pieces due to construction accident
15:13.41AckisWorkTrial of the Crusader == zone name?
15:13.48LopeppeppyAckis!!!
15:13.53p3limyes ackis
15:14.06AckisWorkhi Lopeppeppy
15:14.08AckisWorkty p3lim
15:14.22cogwheelAckisWork: my wow account expires today!
15:14.38AckisWorkcogwheel: mine expired a month ago :D lol
15:14.56cogwheeli was on a 6-month subscription when i quit ><
15:15.06AckisWorkoh =/
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15:16.37AckisWorkmy puppy is getting his balls chopped off today
15:16.45Fiskersick
15:16.50foxlitpuppy cruelty!
15:17.20mikmaackis is gonna go jihad on his dogs balls
15:17.25cogwheelchopped off or ripped out?
15:17.42AckisWorkripped out would be more appropiate
15:17.45mikmammm, bbq rips
15:17.49AckisWorkhow many ounces are in a pound?
15:17.50mikmaribs*
15:17.57AckisWork12?
15:17.58AckisWork16?
15:18.08Lopeppeppy24
15:18.14cogwheel32
15:18.15mikmajack bauer.
15:18.15LopeppeppyI honestly don't know, let me look.
15:18.17AckisWorkwow that many? crazy americans
15:18.20cogwheel~google ounces in a pound
15:18.21AckisWorkgah
15:18.26cogwheel!g ounces in apound
15:18.27batbotcogwheel: How Many Ounces in a Pound? Answer. <http://www.canmoremedia.com/how-many-ounces-in-a-pound.html>
15:18.30Lopeppeppy16
15:18.35Fiskerslaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout
15:18.47cogwheelgrins evilly
15:19.06mikma!g cogwheel balls
15:19.07batbotmikma: Abu Garcia Reel Upgrades, Abu Garcia Dual Bearing Levelwind Kits ... <http://www.castawaylakes.com/AbuGarciaReelUpgrades.html>
15:19.15AckisWorkcogwheel: work pc has 512mb ram, new web-browser == evil :(
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15:19.37AckisWorklua> (2/(5*16))*100
15:19.38lua_botAckisWork: 2.5
15:19.47Shirikonly 512?
15:19.48Shirikwtf
15:19.54Shirikmy pc had 4 GB
15:19.56AckisWorkmy dog is losing 2.5% of his body weight today :(
15:19.57Shirik8 cores
15:20.07mikmayou must have huge epeen shirik
15:20.09AckisWorkShirik: I know, it's evil, my other job had a dual core/2 gigs so it was decent
15:20.14Shirika graphic card that cost somewhere around $10k
15:20.16cogwheelmikma: you should see ScytheBlade1's
15:20.30mikmascytheblade1: show me yours
15:21.06robotuschAckis, you have a Dackie or something? :|
15:21.29mikmarobotusch: is that nick something like "roboass"
15:21.30Seerah~poke Shirik
15:21.31purlACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
15:21.33nicoli_snot at yer work place anymore shirik?
15:21.36AckisWorkrobotusch: Dackie? My dog is a pom
15:21.42Shiriknop
15:22.15robotuschDachshund > *
15:22.54LopeppeppyShirik traveled to the swamps of New Guinea for research this week.
15:22.57robotuschThey're the embodiment of that feelgood slogan "It's not the size of the dog in the fight..."
15:23.33cogwheelMy 1/2 chihuahua 1/2 poodle thinks he's about bull mastiff size
15:23.54mikmachipoodle
15:24.02robotuschMy mom had 3 dackles and a least two of them thought they were great danes..
15:24.05cogwheelpoohuahua
15:24.07mikmaoh, "chidle"
15:24.11Seerahchoodle
15:24.12nicoli_syall finish making the robots that will soon take over the world then shirik?
15:24.13cogwheelchipooh
15:24.17robotuschLABRADOODLE!
15:24.20Shirikyah
15:24.21cogwheelthey have all kinds of names
15:24.23robotuschTop Gear Dog!
15:24.40cogwheelyorkiepoos are cute
15:24.43nicoli_swell i for one welcome our robotic american made overlords
15:24.51mikmameh, i should watch the "Top Gear goes USA"
15:24.54Dumanheh
15:24.59mikmafunny stuff, they almost get shot
15:25.07Dumanwhy is Blizzard telling me to watch Blizzcon on DirecTV?!
15:25.23mikmathey have some big updates coming
15:25.27nicoli_scuz they want yer money?
15:25.31Dumanyes, but I'm going to be there :)
15:25.36mikmalike, Starcraft2, Catalysm(lyst?=
15:25.37Dumanthey should know this! ;)
15:25.47LopeppeppyGeneric email is generic.  :)
15:26.01Dumanhehe
15:27.16Shirikman
15:27.21Shirikthe people on jerry springer are fucked up
15:27.30Shirikwhy would you ever go on this show
15:27.44LopeppeppyTo get paid for being fucked up?
15:27.47nicoli_si would if it was close by
15:27.55nicoli_si loves me some redneck nudity
15:28.08robotuschthey get paid + they get a free trip to the big city
15:28.10ShirikI meant be on the show
15:28.27nicoli_swell id probably do that too
15:28.41nicoli_si just need a few diff women to be my baby's mommas
15:28.49robotuschI lol'd at one of the talkshows a few years ago tho, when they devoted an entire show to outing a trio of friends who had decided to make up a story to get on the Ricki Lake show
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15:36.08zenzelezzhttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/18/funny-pictures-cat-traps-are-working/
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15:37.43LopeppeppyMeow.
15:39.50mikmacool
15:40.13Seerahnext time someone says Curse or WoWI have keyloggers, it's really the kitties: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/17/funny-pictures-order-cheeseburgers/
15:40.38mikmahttp://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/snoop-dachshund-totally-looks-like-snoop-dog.jpg?w=401&h=271
15:40.40Kirkburnadds WoWWiki to that list.
15:40.44LopeppeppyI know, those tiger tabbies are brutal.
15:40.50Seerah~hug Kirkburn
15:40.51purlACTION sneaks up on Kirkburn and suddenly hugs Kirkburn tightly
15:41.15KirkburnYay purl
15:41.28nicoli_si wish my kitties ordered me cheeseburgers
15:42.16mikmahttp://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/old-tree-totally-looks-like-clint-eastwood.jpg?w=401&h=271
15:42.33Seerahmeh
15:45.23ScytheBlade1okay who pinged me?
15:45.32Seerahctrl-f
15:45.47ScytheBlade1I can't do that here :(
15:45.59Lopeppeppyis soooo innocent!
15:46.20ScytheBlade1Lopeppeppy: for once I agree
15:46.25zenzelezzis unconvinced
15:46.27ScytheBlade1mikma: cogwheel: die :(
15:46.31Seerahcog!  it was cog!
15:47.12Seerahwhistles innocently
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15:48.44LopeppeppySee, we are innocent as the driven snow.
15:49.18zenzelezzI happen to know a thing or two about snow
15:49.19ScytheBlade1I... what?
15:49.28zenzelezzand it is never innocent
15:49.54LopeppeppySnow is an object, and incapable of malice by virtue of having no individual will.
15:50.03zenzelezzthat's what they want you to think
15:50.14LopeppeppyScytheBlade1, you missed that I'm all punch-drunk today, pay me no attention if I'm confusing.  :)
15:50.27zenzelezzare you now?
15:50.35zenzelezzI say we move to a more secluded area, you and I
15:51.16LopeppeppyYeah, right over there near my No Stick.
15:51.25ScytheBlade1Lopeppeppy: and I just woke up, blinking, sick almost to death with this cold
15:51.29ScytheBlade1continues blinking
15:51.49LopeppeppyAww, I'm sorry, ScytheBlade1.  /soup
15:51.59zenzelezzLopeppeppy: we can make angels in the snow
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15:52.25LopeppeppyWrite our names with sparklers.
15:52.52zenzelezzsure, we can make sparks
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16:04.44mikmahttp://probablybadnews.com/2009/08/06/funny-news-headlines-at-least-someone-is-thinking-of-the-children/
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16:05.29zenzelezzheh
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16:11.20mikmahttp://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-bill-gates-microsoft-word.jpg?w=400&h=284
16:12.39LopeppeppyWhy is it CNN breaking news to announce the day that a dead guy will be buried?  *laugh*
16:13.13zenzelezzno-one expected him to be buried, clearly
16:13.47LopeppeppySeriously.  Not like dead people have ever been buried before, this is revolutionary.
16:14.02zenzelezzwill solve the problem of all those bodies in the yard
16:16.39nicoli_sbut how will it impact the current production of soilent green?
16:16.51mikmahttp://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-exists-porn.jpg?w=500&h=374
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16:43.27Kasowtf why has wine started crashing when i run wow, it didnt do this before i went on holiday ><
16:43.54LopeppeppyJealous of your vacation?
16:44.27KasoApparently so
16:44.56Kasodeleting cache/settings/addons just made things worse, now its 132'ing at bootup
16:46.52Fiskerit's your own damn fault
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17:02.16AnduinLotharanyone heard of the frames UIPanelMover1 and 2
17:02.22AnduinLothar?
17:02.42AnduinLothardont have local source files to grep
17:02.50AnduinLotharbut i think it might be from an addon
17:03.23AnduinLotharWhere's Beladona these days?
17:03.59LopeppeppyJob hunting, last I knew...
17:04.37AnduinLotharwants a search functionality on wowcompares.com
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17:09.58SixenHow come the UI Dinner is closeD? :(
17:10.58AnduinLotharbecause they had to reserve seats
17:11.08SixenSo i'm outta luck? =[
17:11.12AnduinLotharpretty much
17:11.13Kirkburndecides he should probably look at who's on the list
17:11.43ScytheBlade1Sixen: worth a shot to ask still
17:11.49KirkburnNext job, remembering what ya'll look like
17:11.59SixenYeah, i'll PM Cairenn
17:12.18KirkburnGood plan ... there may be drop outs that you can take the place of, perhaps
17:13.12KirkburnI'm gonna see about wearing my Diablo 3 unicorn logo tshirt to be recognisable :P
17:13.34LopeppeppyI adored cogwheel's ! hat.  :)
17:13.49Kirkburnheh
17:14.23Kirkburnthat's a point
17:14.32Kirkburnwhee, found mine
17:14.47Cairenn|afkunicorn?
17:14.49Cairenn|afkperks up
17:15.09Kirkburnhttp://www.diii.net/gallery/data/553/d3-tshirt-rainbows.jpg
17:15.14kd3oh I remember those shirts
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17:15.51Kirkburn(I got it because I like the art direction of D3, not as a protest :)
17:16.12SixenI have a Unicorn shirt, =)
17:16.28KirkburnLopeppeppy, seeing cogwheel in that hat made me get one ... though I must find a ? one next
17:18.12SixenRawr!
17:18.22harl|WoWknurr!
17:18.40Sixen:p
17:18.42LopeppeppyRAWR!
17:18.46SixenYes!
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17:23.02Cairenn|afkKirkburn: hahahah, just checked the link!
17:23.21mikmawat link
17:23.24mikmai was offline :(
17:23.30kd313:15:09> Kirkburn: http://www.diii.net/gallery/data/553/d3-tshirt-rainbows.jpg
17:23.33mikmastupid linux holes forcing servers to reboot
17:24.45jnwhitehmikma: i haven't gotten an update for debian yet =(
17:25.00zenzelezzcompile it yourself ;-o
17:25.03kd3...debian? update?
17:25.06jnwhitehlol
17:25.20nevcairielWhats broken now?
17:25.30nevcairieldebian does security updates, just no new versions =p
17:25.42jnwhitehaye
17:26.25mikmawhats broken
17:26.26nevcairielwhats the hole we're talking about this time anyway?
17:26.27mikma...
17:26.30durcynhttp://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-2692
17:26.49zenzelezznot sure, I just noticed Linode had updated their available kernels
17:26.51mikmathat's broken
17:27.07nevcairielmeh only local user exploit
17:27.25mikmathere has been a hole in linux from 2001 to this point that local user can use to gain root
17:27.36durcynapache processes are local users, nevcairiel
17:27.53nevcairielthat requires another hole in your server to get apache to run malicious code
17:28.00NightHawkTheSan1this is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg-heCy0CbQ
17:28.00durcynthere's a poc exploit for it alraedy
17:28.10mikmawell
17:28.27mikmai saw my friend running a .sh script and getting root from his own linux :O
17:28.44mikmayes, he knows the root password, but it wasn't needed ^^
17:29.52mikmahttp://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2009-2692
17:30.00mikmathe vulnerable kernels -list is cruel
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17:31.32jnwhitehshould i upgrade to 2.6.29
17:31.34jnwhitehponders
17:31.46LopeppeppyNot until after blizcon.  *nod*
17:31.48NightHawkTheSan1yes!
17:31.55NightHawkTheSan1... upgrade what?
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17:33.06Fiskeryou're not geek enough then NightHawkTheSan1
17:33.09Fiskeri'm disappointed in you
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17:35.04LopeppeppyI don't know what either, my advice was just generally sound.
17:37.35Fiskerlinux kernel
17:38.10NightHawkTheSan1i kinda figured, but i really hadn't been paying attention to the conversation.
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17:40.32LopeppeppyOh, yeah, after the con.  Enjoy your vacation, don't murder it!  :)
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18:04.07jaxdahlfrightening to think this hole has been around for 8 years
18:04.30Gnarfozwhich one?
18:05.03jaxdahlthe 2.4/2.6 proto_ops one
18:05.42nevcairielI bet you there are even more like those
18:05.54nevcairielBut you cannot use any software if you are afraid of those =P
18:06.23Fiskerwsauce
18:06.24Fiskersauce
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18:10.49Gnarfozproto_what *googles*
18:11.06DagmarIsle of Conquest is a hunter's wet dream
18:11.10Gnarfozscrolling up was enough, actually
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18:30.55Dumanhmm
18:34.07jaxdahlsure i mean you should always limit who gets shell access at all
18:34.55GnarfozI'm not sure I should bother to update ~_~
18:37.23jaxdahlhttp://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/hackers-hack-cops-computers/
18:39.50DagmarLike it matters anymore
18:39.59DagmarMicrosoft only cares when someone starts making htem look bad
18:40.09Dagmarhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/ms_zero_day_long_gestation/
18:40.44DagmarSOmeone needs to remind the Register's reporting staff that regardless of what the microsoft reps call it, if it's been known FOR TWO YEARS it's no longer okay to call it a "0day" vulnerability
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18:45.18durcynso, someone fucked up
18:45.22durcyn<PROTECTED>
18:45.36mikmayeap
18:45.38LopeppeppyThe /dump bug has been reported, I'm sure they're working on it.
18:45.56LopeppeppyThere are tons of ways it's being abused right now, the door will slam shut ASAP.  :)
18:46.04zenzelezzhttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/18/funny-pictures-exchange-programs-2/
18:48.11foxlitdurcyn: why did you feel the need to wrap that in loadstring?
18:48.36jaxdahlisn't loadstring part of the expoit
18:48.51jaxdahlanyway i wouldn't be surprised to see small suspensions for people abusing it
18:49.04foxlitI would.
18:50.51foxlitIt seems unlikely that there's infrastructure to watch those things; and considering that there's no net effect on gameplay, suspensions seem overly harsh.
18:51.33durcynmacros being stored server-side lends credibility to the possibility of their being searched for said exploit
18:51.56LopeppeppyWhy bother, just fix the /dump and they all break.
18:53.35foxlit[The answer to my question is probably "because it prefixes return to the argument string, and we want things to parse"]
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18:56.42durcynLopeppeppy: should they?  probably not.  could they?  probably maybe.
18:57.12Dagmardurcyn: Not everyone's macros are stored server side
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18:57.18LopeppeppyBliz included the /dump, they can take it back out, I'm sure.  They'll fix it *some* way.
18:59.21ZorbaBetaI don't think there's any question whether it'll be fixed or not
18:59.44ZorbaBetabut blizz does like tossing down suspensions for abusing the game
18:59.45durcynZorbaBeta: the question was, will there be consequences for those using it
18:59.49durcynyeah.
19:00.21foxlitThe argument there is that this does not qualify as abuse.
19:00.51LopeppeppyNothing we can do but INAL it, which is a waste of breath.  If it happens, it happens.
19:00.54ZorbaBetait's quite clearly intentionally bypassing intended mechanics
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19:01.09foxlitZorbaBeta: and achieving nothing you couldn't achieve without it.
19:01.29ZorbaBetafoxlit, really? I can make a script to do conditional spellcasts without using /dump?
19:01.32nevcairielThats like saying glider is not illegal because it doesnt do anything you couldnt do yoruself
19:01.38Kasoparty1 is not in your party
19:01.40Kasoparty2 is not in your party
19:01.43Kasohow odd
19:01.53foxlitnevcairiel: You couldn't play while afk by yourself :)
19:01.53FiskerYarr
19:02.00Fiskermy Wolfeo90inst
19:02.04Fiskerfuuuuuuuu
19:02.05Fiskerstupid cat
19:02.10nevcairielfoxlit: you can build complete bots with /dump
19:02.16FiskerMy Wolfenstein is downloadingt full speed rawr
19:02.26ElusiveMy ubuntu is downloading full speed.
19:02.38ElusiveRawr! and I'm watching the science channel, ftw.
19:02.41durcynshow us a picture of your cat, Fisker.
19:02.43foxlitnevcairiel: And they'd still require you to be at the keyboard.
19:02.45Fiskernaw durcyn
19:02.55zenzelezzso... if a website has taken the time to put up a notice near the top about a security issue, why do they write "see the link <name> at the bottom of the page" instead of just copying the link into the much more visible notice?
19:03.30mikmafisker: that's your passwd for wow, admit it
19:03.34Lopeppeppyzenzelezz, usually laziness?
19:03.45nevcairielI'm pretty sure you can loadstring a complete addon using /dump that would run secure timed events and do wtf you want
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19:04.02foxlitHardware interaction requirements apply.
19:04.18zenzelezzLopeppeppy: most likely yes. I just never see why people get lazy about security
19:04.28mikmahey!
19:04.37mikmasomeone try some GM functions with /dump
19:04.43mikmaStartFloatHacking()
19:04.50LopeppeppyLazy is as lazy does.
19:05.09ZorbaBetamikma, if I had an open wifi nearby, I would
19:05.18ZorbaBetaI do wish they'd allow casting crafting spells without hardware events
19:05.36mikmaqueue 2500 items -> go!
19:05.45LopeppeppyAll automation is bad, it opens the door.
19:05.48ZorbaBetayes, I could really use that. :)
19:05.48mikmazorbabeta: afraid of getting banned?
19:05.53ZorbaBetamikma, yes. ;)
19:06.03mikmapop me a GM function and i'll give it a go
19:06.07mikmai don't care that much ^^
19:06.15ZorbaBetaoh, I thought that was an example of a GM function
19:06.18ZorbaBetaI don't actually know any myself :P
19:06.30foxlitI'm only aware of ForceLogout
19:06.41ZorbaBetalope, eh. not all automation is bad. some of it can improve the game.
19:06.47foxlit[And I'm fairly sure it won't work even from secure code]
19:06.54mikmaGetGMStatus - This is a Blizzard internal function
19:06.55ZorbaBetaallowing a little more automation over economy stuff would improve the economy markedly.
19:07.20foxlitZorbaBeta: I've got a few dunking birds you could borrow.
19:07.25Shirikfoxlit: ForceLogout is not a GM function
19:07.32ShirikI've used it a long time ago
19:07.35ZorbaBetaI mean there's a reason they allow you to do batch crafting in the first place :P
19:07.38foxlitShirik: What is it, then?
19:07.51ZorbaBetafoxlit, I've thought about that, but I'm paranoid. I just rig it so I click "go" repeatedly while reading slashdot
19:07.51foxlitAnd why does it display a nice "You're not allowed to do that" message? :)
19:07.54ShirikAs far as I'm aware, it's a function which simply terminates the client immediately, without notifying the server
19:08.04foxlitYou're thinking ForceQuit()
19:08.04ShirikWhen I used it a long time ago, it literally left my character logged in for another 12 hours
19:08.05cogwheelany TDD gurus around?
19:08.07Shirikoh yeah
19:08.08Shiriksorry (
19:08.09Shirik:(
19:08.25ShirikAnyway, all the GM functions I've found are in console
19:08.28cogwheel(or < Guru, > newb)
19:08.37Shirikit's likely that ForceLogout just translates into the console command logout
19:09.04Shirikaccordingly those all seem to be server-validated :)
19:09.58foxlitis procrastinating writing more addon code.
19:10.14Shirikcogwheel: What's TDD?
19:10.27foxlit!g tdd
19:10.28batbotfoxlit: Test-driven development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development>
19:10.52foxlitAlthough the second result is "Telecommunications device for the deaf"
19:11.09Shirikheh
19:11.50Cruciformerrandom question: do you ever reach a state of grace with curse where files are auto-approved or does every file need approval?
19:11.54Shirikwell if it is in fact test-driven development, I may know what you need; all code I had to commit at work had to be accomponied by unit tests, 100% coverage, etc.
19:11.58ShirikHIL tests
19:12.35foxlitDoes 100% line coverage imply that all possible scenarios are actually tested?
19:12.56LopeppeppyCruciformer, I assume all need approval, due to malware/virus/etc.  They need to protect their reputation.
19:12.56Shirik100% line and branch coverage, though arguably the answer is "no" it is theoretically "yes"
19:13.01cogwheelwondering if there's a best practice for unit testing string composition (e.g. putting together a full name from its various components)
19:13.51CruciformerLopeppeppy: yeah thats a good thing. I was just wondering if the virus scan was automated and you could become "trusted" and have files approved automatically rather than requiring human intervention.
19:14.08cogwheelIf I do it programmatically, i end up basically implementing the production code in the unit test
19:14.26cogwheelAnd hard-coding some arbitrary expected values seems ... dirty
19:14.30LopeppeppyProbably not, Cruciformer, that way lies madness.
19:14.36ShirikI know it sounds dirty :)
19:14.48Shirikbut that really is a unit test
19:14.51CruciformerLopeppeppy: heh :) I cant really disagree with that.
19:14.58ShirikSo long as the test is reasonable
19:15.09Shirike.g., don't do "aaa" concatenated with "aaa" or something
19:15.43cogwheelmaking sure it builds the final string in the correct order, omits nulls, etc.
19:15.44ShirikBut the theory is that so long as you have covered all possible conditions, then a single arbitrary case of each condition should be sufficient to test all possible cases from the perspective of a unit test
19:16.31cogwheelsee that's where my problem lies. with 5 components of either a string or null, there are 2^5 possible test cases
19:16.51Shirikwell how many branch operations are in your code?
19:17.10cogwheelthe code doesn't exist yet... it's TDD :P
19:17.29Shiriksee I told you I don't do TDD, it's just part of our process :P
19:18.04ShirikWell, let's attack a different angle
19:18.08Shirikdo you have requirements?
19:18.19Shirikhave you derived requirements for the function/whatever?
19:18.51ZorbaBetacog, that's only 32 cases
19:19.08Shirik^ btw
19:19.11cogwheelZorbaBeta: and what if 3 more components are added?
19:19.23ZorbaBetaand what if the entire software package is obsoleted in a month?
19:19.40cogwheelZorbaBeta: more to the point, i'm trying to find a solution to similar problems in the future
19:19.48ZorbaBetaalright, that's fair then :)
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19:20.07cogwheelSay a name has   prefix, first, middle, last, suffix
19:20.31cogwheelwhen the name is .ToString'ed it needs to return them separated by spaces, except the suffix which shouldn't have a space before it
19:20.32ShirikHere's where we approach an intesting digression between TDD and our model
19:20.49Shirikdo you really need 100% code coverage, or do you just want to follow TDD?
19:20.54Shirikthat is, simply a test case that fails
19:21.24Shirikthe differences: 100% coverage guarantees at the unit-level that it works (in theory), while a single failing test case guarantees that the problem that occurred does not occur again
19:22.14cogwheeli.e. i should write a test that I know should work a certain way and if i run into problems later, write a test for the new problem?
19:22.49Shirikthat's the theory behind a testing paradigm I had thought was unnamed, but might be TDD
19:22.50Shirikyes
19:22.55mikmaTTD
19:23.22mikmaor, STD
19:23.26cogwheeli.e. i need to stop trying to imagine all possibilities. Leave that up to QA ><
19:23.27Shirikmake it complex enough that it should cover a decent amount of problems at once, of course
19:23.46Shirikbut make sure it covers the problem at hand, for sure
19:26.22VonhintenHOME`Doh!  fyi if you're using VS2010 and .net 4 betas and are thinking about upgrading to Win7.   http://www.hanselman.com/blog/VistaUsersUninstallVisualStudio2010Beta1BeforeUpgradingToWindows7.aspx
19:27.09cogwheelVonhintenHOME`: good to know (better to remember...)
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19:27.55nicoli_si would recommand not using vs 2010 beta at all
19:28.04cogwheeli would.
19:28.06nicoli_swe had alot of people here using it and lots and lots and lots of complaints
19:28.07cogwheelit's sexeh
19:28.27nicoli_sconstant crashes and bugs, and shit that probably wont be fixed till maybe february at the earlies
19:28.32nevcairielPeople actually *upgrade* an OS?
19:29.03cogwheelnevcairiel: i upgraded from Win7RC to Win7Final ;)
19:29.03VonhintenHOME`nicoli_s, such is life on the edge :)  we're using it too, issues, but we're still making progress
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19:29.03VonhintenHOME`nev, temporarily until there's time for a fresh wipe, yeah
19:29.06VonhintenHOME`cog, eek, not a support upgrade path :)
19:29.11VonhintenHOME`supported
19:29.27cogwheelVonhintenHOME`: nope. worked fine though (once i edited the necessary text file)
19:30.06cogwheelthen i wiped it in favor of a fresh vista installation (i haven't wiped my vista drive for > 2 years)
19:30.23cogwheelfew too many incompatibilities atm
19:30.36cogwheelthough i REALLY wish i had some of its features in vista
19:30.44nevcairielI have been running the RC and now the RTM for quite a while
19:30.46nevcairieland everything just works
19:31.13cogwheelnot everything worked for me
19:31.14VonhintenHOME`I'm running in a VM atm, I'll get around to installing for real when I have time
19:31.16Shiriknicoli_s: Where I worked, we literally just upgraded to 2008 a month ago
19:31.18cogwheelipod wouldn't sync
19:31.21cogwheelsome games wouldn't play
19:31.22Aelobin_are they bringing out new WG rewards in S7?
19:31.25Shirikscrew newer versions :P
19:31.39VonhintenHOME`Shirik, why so slow?
19:31.45Shirikwhy upgrade?
19:31.53ShirikIt's an unnecessary risk
19:32.09durcynthe version number is bigger!
19:32.20cogwheeldurcyn: same goes for SPs ;)
19:32.21Shirikoh
19:32.24Shirikvery important feature
19:32.40VonhintenHOME`well, for us, we move to new visual studios to gain the new features... we use Team System, so it necessitates moving everything at once, we just do it to get it done and move forward
19:33.00VonhintenHOME`small increments
19:33.26Shirikwe use team system as well
19:33.34Shirikand... it was not fun to move
19:33.53zenzelezzpeople still use VC++6. If what you're using works for you, by all means stick to it
19:34.09Shirikit caused at least a few days of disruption, and we're still having disruption simply because 2008's intellisense is amazingly slow
19:34.34zenzelezzI'm excited about the VS2010 Intellisense, if it works as well as their blog claims it will
19:34.54ShirikThe problem is Microsoft has these features but nobody actually expects them to be used
19:35.02VonhintenHOME`I was part of a log thread on MS forums with the VS team complaining about the speed of intellisense...
19:35.08VonhintenHOME`there is a hotfix that can speed it up for some people
19:35.15zenzelezzIntellisense would be more used if the NCB didn't keep getting corrupted
19:35.15VonhintenHOME`log=long
19:35.31ShirikI'm not joking, we called Microsoft once and started talking to them about property sheets and having trouble, and someone we spoke to said "You actually USE that stuff? That's just marketing crap!"
19:35.32nicoli_swe are using Team System at work now too
19:36.14nicoli_sbut recently downgraded to vc 2k8 after all the problems with 2k10 beta
19:36.16Shirikanyway, no we weren't able to resolve the issue VonhintenHOME`
19:36.32Shirikit seems related to the fact that intellisense keeps a single database for 140 projects
19:36.56VonhintenHOME`lol, you're set up like us... only we have 340 projects in one solution :)
19:37.00ShirikLike, it takes me about 2 hours to check out all the code. The fact that intellisense is trying to build a database for something that takes 2 hours to check out is a bit scary.
19:37.08kd3eek
19:37.33Shiriksorry, not check out, "initial sync" stupid perforce terminology
19:37.34zenzelezzthat's one of the areas they're improving in the new Intellisense, if I understood it right
19:37.45zenzelezzcompiling less info at a time
19:37.47Shirikwell it's not even limited to intellisense, that's the problem
19:38.06ShirikThe entirety of visual studio seems to be built around the expectation that you'll never have more than like 5 projects at once
19:38.11Shirikeven solution explorer is ungodly slow
19:38.15Shiriklike, I click on some random folder
19:38.19Fiskermoves Shirik
19:38.22Shirikand visual studio locks up for 4 seconds
19:38.31ShirikI didn't even DO anything, just click a folder to HIGHLIGHT it
19:38.46zenzelezzyup
19:38.49VonhintenHOME`Shirik, have you tried Visual Assist?
19:38.59ShirikThank god we have visual assist
19:39.02Shirikso we just turned off intellisense
19:39.07Shirikand that was the end of that ordeal
19:39.08industrialvisual what?
19:39.16VonhintenHOME`yeah, visual assist is the shit
19:39.32nicoli_si had a problem like that, when i was working on the original 3d view stuff, was stupid and put the folder with the assets in the same folder as our code project, so it was constantly trying to iterate over hundreds of thousands of files, making VS grind to a halt
19:39.36Shirikit throws me off a bit
19:39.49Shirikvisual assist has a serious problem when you're writing code that is technically illegal, but will be legal soon
19:39.56Shirike.g., writing code but the variables don't exist yet
19:40.22Shirikit forces me to program in a specific order, which throws me off sometimes
19:40.27Shirikbut in general it is pretty awesome
19:42.26FiskerSo there i was
19:42.33Fiskerdownloading Wolfe...Ubuntu
19:42.36Fiskerand it was like
19:42.45Fisker"Error - 10060 Connection timed out"
19:43.21zenzelezznow that's something I've not seen in a long time... a long time. Since I stopped using mIRC in fact
19:43.41Fiskerit's not mirc durr
19:43.54zenzelezzI never said it was, I said *I* last saw it in mIRC
19:44.07FiskerBut it's not in mirc either
19:44.08zenzelezzit's the general Windows/WinSock error code, IIRC
19:44.09Fiskerso hah
19:44.32zenzelezzplease, if you're going to be a nuisance, at least be a good troll
19:45.17Fisker:8
19:45.19Fisker:I
19:45.21Fiskergrr
19:45.22Fisker:(
19:46.53Shirikhm
19:47.00ShirikI have a radar detector detector detector
19:47.21zenzelezzsounds like it has an echo
19:47.39Shirikapparently my radar detector has the functionality to not only provide immunity to VG-2 (radar detector detector) but actually detect their presence...
19:47.48Shirikso, radar detector detector detector
19:49.24ShirikVS 2010 supports F#?
19:49.25ShirikIs this another M$-destroyed language?
19:49.27Fiskeryes
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19:49.35Fiskermultithreading something
19:49.36zenzelezzit's their new product, Visual Fortran
19:49.38Fiskeri think
19:49.44Shirikvisual... fortran?
19:49.47Shirikseriously?
19:49.49zenzelezzno
19:49.53Shirik..
19:49.54nevcairielno
19:49.56zenzelezzbut how cool would that be?
19:50.01nevcairielits a clone of the ML language family
19:50.05nevcairielfunctional language
19:50.15ZorbaBetacoming up soon, Visual IBM 360 Assembly
19:50.17nicoli_si've heard its kindof interesting
19:50.29nevcairielA bit like OCaml
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19:50.40FiskerComing up later: C#!%&
19:50.40zenzelezzZorbaBeta: soon to be followed by Visual ASM 68000
19:50.48Shirikso it's a functional .NET language?
19:50.49FiskerOr F#!%
19:50.51nevcairielyea
19:50.57Shirikthat shouldn't even be possible
19:51.03Shirikor is that why they moved to .NET 4.0?
19:51.05Fiskerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Sharp_(programming_language)
19:51.08Fiskerwikipedia to the rescue
19:51.10ZorbaBetaAll the power of 68k assembly, now with a horrible RAD GUI toolkit attached!
19:51.20ShirikI haven't looked at .NET 4.0
19:51.39zenzelezzsomeone should make a Visual Whitespace
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19:51.58zenzelezznow with underlined whitespace
19:52.24alestaneI am now trying to restore an image for a dual-layer DVD onto a USB 1.1 external hardrive. This should complete some time this milennium (I hope).
19:52.30ZorbaBetapfft, my whitespace editor highlights syntax errors with different colored text
19:52.49ZorbaBetaat least they claim it does. it's sort of hard to tell.
19:53.15nevcairiel~8.5gb over a 1.1 usb link?
19:53.17nicoli_slooks like syntax i def dont want to learn
19:53.29alestanenevcairiel: It's what I've got handy.
19:53.34alestaneAbout 6.6gb
19:53.51FiskerWhy are you leeching Wolfenstein?
19:54.20Fiskerone day C# will be the programming language of the pros
19:54.22alestaneI just acquired an Intel Mini at a good price, with no system disks.
19:54.55cogwheel<PROTECTED>
19:54.55cogwheel<PROTECTED>
19:55.36Fisker>:E
19:55.43cogwheelmocks Fisker
19:55.48nevcairielYou have a fisker interface?
19:55.53Fiskerslaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout
19:56.12Dagmar*sigh*
19:56.14Fiskerit's not funny when you got "Your mom" in my native language
19:56.39DagmarLiveMeeting needs an indicator flag for "Disappointed with you all"
19:56.43zenzelezzlies, Danish always sounds funny
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19:56.50Sabarenalestane, which Mac?
19:56.55FiskerDagmar it's called being offline
19:57.07Fiskerpresuming that you're talking about some kind of IM client
19:57.16alestaneSabaren: It's an Intel Core Solo Mini, A1176, but I got it cheap.
19:57.23DagmarNo, you can't really do that.  Yer name will disappear from teh little list and for some reason the bosses actually NOTICE that
19:57.33alestaneAnd it's leaps and bounds above my G4 mini.
19:57.39SabarenHow much was it?
19:57.43alestane$300.
19:57.51DagmarFisker: f**king LiveMeeting is a technology from Microsoft that clearly my coworkers don't know how to use
19:57.57Fiskerthat's kinda my point Dagmar :3
19:58.12FiskerLiveMeeting sounds like some old messenger concept that was scrapped
19:58.13Fiskeretc.
19:58.16SabarenThat's the last generation, right?
19:58.51Shirikzenzelezz: Syntax highlighting for visual whitespace?
19:58.51DagmarIt's crap IMHO
19:58.54alestaneI'm not sure how recent it is. It's a single-core processor with 512mb of RAM, but it's upgradable to a dual-core and 2Gb if I can get the parts.
19:59.08zenzelezzShirik: that was the idea, yes. Obviously a silly joke
20:00.47SabarenNot bad.
20:01.14SabarenI'm considering buying a new one next month. I'm running on Vista :(
20:01.31alestaneNow, I got mine at a flea market, so the price was not typical.
20:01.47zenzelezzyour mac has fleas?
20:01.50alestaneAnd I bought it mostly to get off teh G4 platform.
20:02.01SabarenI know that minis can go for almost retail value, even the older ones.
20:02.05nevcairielits an apple, it has worms, not fleas
20:02.07SabarenOnly because they were made so well.
20:02.14alestaneNo, my dog has fleas. My Mac has "issues".
20:02.21DagmarSabaren: That's because a) people are stupid and b) they were only like $300 to begin with
20:02.27SabarenMy dog has worms. Wait, I don't have a dog.
20:02.31DagmarThey weren't made well, they were made _cheap_
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20:03.09SabarenApple hardware in general is pretty reliable, I would expect the same for a mini.
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20:03.21zenzelezzI was not amused by trying to find out how to open a Mac Mini to insert more RAM
20:03.48Fiskerlike when their batteries blow up all the time Sabaren
20:03.49DagmarYou need the quantum mechanic's wrench for that
20:03.50Fisker>:3
20:04.01durcynzenzelezz: putty knife
20:04.10alestaneBut my install disc for my original Mini is G4-only, so if I want to partition the drive and add a dual-boot, I need to assemble a new install disk, and since I can't manage to burn a DVD from iso using Windows that will boot my mini, I'm stuck trying to restore an install image to a USB hard drive, and the only one I have is rather old.
20:04.10durcynand cross your fingers that you don't break anything :(
20:04.22LopeppeppyMicrosloth!
20:04.38alestanezenzelezz: I've done it twice now. It could be worse but I'll grant that it's not exactly convenient.
20:04.56alestaneBut at least they're now using stock RAM and hard drives.
20:05.00durcynalestane: wait, the g4 install dvd doesn't do mirrors?
20:05.10nevcairielalestane: no 2.0 thumb drive or anything? i have like 5 of those still wrapped in their packaging .. <.<
20:05.12durcynoh, dual-boot, nevermind.
20:05.23alestanenevcairiel: 2gb, yes.
20:05.29nevcairielhm thats too small =P
20:05.49Fiskerget one of those 256GB ones
20:05.50nevcairielI actually installed win7 of an 4gb thumbdrive because i couldnt find a dvd
20:05.51zenzelezzsplit it and cat it back together
20:05.52alestaneAnd I spent more than I really should have just getting this thing, so I can't run out for a new thumb drive.
20:06.05alestanezenzelezz: You can't boot from a split image file.
20:06.17zenzelezzdetails
20:06.32Fiskeri can boot from a split image file
20:06.37alestaneBTW, does anyone have a pair of 512Mb or 1Gb DDR2 So-DIMMS they don't need?
20:06.41Fiskerplease insert floppy into A:
20:06.45zenzelezzI split your boot image file Fisker
20:06.51Fiskersure alestane
20:07.00Fiskerbut you'll have to come get them yourself
20:07.06durcynalestane: i actually might
20:07.13alestaneFisker: Aren't you in Denmark?
20:07.18Fiskeryep
20:07.22LopeppeppyThis could be a problem
20:07.25zenzelezzwe should all go back to EDO RAM
20:07.26alestaneI can't even get to Anaheim this year.
20:07.40nevcairielI still have like a drawer full of edo modules
20:07.42durcynalestane: any particular speed in mind?
20:07.46alestane667.
20:07.57alestaneI think 500 might also wrok.
20:07.59alestanework*
20:08.36zenzelezzI remember trying to mix SD- and EDO-RAM on a motherboard that supported both back in the day. Didn't realize it didn't support both at the same time. Windows was not amused
20:08.39durcyni've got the original sodimms for a core duo mini and an extra 2gb stick that i wasn't able to install in it due to the obnoxious 3gb limit, i think they're still in functional shape
20:09.12alestaneI have two slots, right now they both contain 256Mb SO-DIMMs.
20:09.15durcynit may or may not be the same module that failed to post in an eeepc, remind me in a few hours
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20:18.39alestaneActually, I've been finding that despite comparable processor speed, even on half as much RAM I get twice the frame rate in WoW with significantly more demanding settings...as long as I'm out in the middle of nowhere and it's not trying to load more models.
20:19.40durcynon a mini?  i don't remember the video on those being worth a damn.
20:20.04alestaneIt's not worth a whole lot, but my old machine got 12-16 fps in most areas.
20:20.14alestaneCranked down to almost no video options.
20:20.29durcynhell, the original core duo models were GMA900, no?
20:20.50alestaneThis one is waffling between 25-30 with moderate settings, as long as I'm not in Dalaran or the Argetn Tournament.
20:21.25alestaneGMA950, this one is. 64Mb shared video memory...not exactly a powerhouse.
20:21.34LopeppeppyTTFN, everypeople!
20:21.45alestaneSays more about how wretchedly unfit for WoW my other machine is.
20:21.49LopeppeppyAnyone traveling for Blizzcon before I see them, travel safely and keep us updated!
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20:22.02Gnarfoz!g ttfn
20:22.03batbotGnarfoz: TTFN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TTFN>
20:22.17alestane"Ta-ta for now."
20:22.41Gnarfozyes, wikipedia agrees ;p
20:22.44durcyn~wtf ttfn
20:23.02Gnarfozheh
20:23.24nevcairielactually one purl knows
20:25.14durcynblame /usr/bin/wtf for not being up to date
20:26.03NeoTronI found it funny that people thought soundblaster was announcing the next wow expansion
20:26.07durcynoh, that's why it's out of date, the acronym database is from netbsd.
20:26.21nevcairielheh
20:26.30NeoTronthat said, if they actually have a decently priced wireless headset I might be interested - I hate wires on a headset and it's the cause of breakage 80% or more of the time
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20:27.13durcynwires are good.  don't believe the hype.
20:27.33alestanedurcyn: They have their advantages...but they do break a lot on headsets.
20:28.06NeoTronI hate them :P
20:28.16NeoTronif quality is good on a wireless, I'd go for it
20:28.28NeoTronI use wired keyboard/mouse though since I can't stand the wireless variety
20:28.45nevcairielI would lose my mouse if it didnt have a wire
20:28.53NeoTron:se noai
20:28.53NeoTrona:se ai
20:28.54nicoli_smy kitties are the cause of the death of my headphones
20:28.57NeoTronoops
20:29.05durcynNeoTron: :wq!
20:29.16NeoTronI finally found a headset that has a sturdy wire and all
20:29.18durcynalso, batteries.
20:29.29NeoTronand indeed no wire issues
20:29.39NeoTroninstead the cover of one of the earpads has come loose...
20:29.41NeoTronjust can't win
20:29.44alestanehttp://megatokyo.com/strip/305
20:29.45nevcairiellol
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20:32.47NeoTronand that is why I don't use wireles control devices :P
20:33.01nevcairielI would hate to have my mouse die
20:33.17nevcairielI can understand people using a cordless mouse
20:33.21nevcairielfor the freedom and all
20:33.28nevcairielbut a keyboard .. it rarely moves
20:34.46durcynthe only place i could see it being worth a wet slap is for a console attached to a television, where the cords wouldn't reach
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20:43.26NeoTronmy favorite is still when I was tanking illidan on my warlock
20:43.39NeoTronand I spilled liberal amounts of liquid on my keyboard and it essentially broke
20:43.49NeoTronso I used the mouse to move and generate threat and such
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20:49.04Krapshttp://translationparty.com/#1821621
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20:57.47durcynNeoTron: 'liquid', huh.
20:59.07NeoTronhar har. I don't remember what it was
20:59.12NeoTronpop or something most likely
21:04.58KrapsAn error has occured! Don't Panic.\
21:05.04Krapshttp://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/events/schedule.xml
21:05.17Krapswut
21:11.27foxlitI demand bigger, friendlier letters.
21:12.20foxlitiTunes needs tabbed browsing.
21:16.32alestaneIt practically can; I know you can open playlists in new windows.
21:17.50foxlitYou can only interact with the store from the main window, unfortunately
21:19.02GnarfoziTunes needs a nuke
21:19.05Gnarfozright... in the face
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21:24.33AnduinLothariTunes needs to just be a windowed browser
21:24.42AnduinLotharnot being able to copy links is annoying
21:25.02foxlit"Copy iTunes store URL"?
21:25.15Gnarfoznot being able to even look at the iTunes and iPhone app stores without having iTunes is even more annoying
21:25.42foxlitI don't find that to be a problem.
21:25.50foxlitYour mileage may vary.
21:25.53Gnarfozbecause you seem to have iTunes :>
21:26.45foxlitApparently the problem with iTunes can be solved by iTunes :)
21:26.58alestaneGnarfoz: Are you using Linux as a main OS, or do you just want to not get iTunes?
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21:29.00Gnarfozfoxlit: since the store is not really part of the program, I'd contest that, but so far I can live without it so I'm gravitating to a pronounced "meh" as my verdict ;D
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21:29.16Gnarfozalestane: the latter, it destroyed my music collection once. ;\
21:30.03alestaneI won't deny that that happened, and may have indeed been iTunes fault, or that that mey leave you somewhat jaded, but how long ago was this?
21:30.05Gnarfoz(it added everything to its library, and renamed all the files according to their rather incomplete id3 tags... and even broke up the folder structure and rearranged it)
21:30.13Gnarfoznot sure :>
21:30.20Krapsdidnt know theres a UI panel at Con
21:30.25Gnarfozbefore wow was out ;>
21:31.15SabarenGnarfoz.. you have always been able to use your own file structure. It's in the preferences.
21:31.22alestaneSo, you're continuing to hate a widely acclaimed piece of software based on an experience at least five years ago, and a set of features that can be turned off. That is of course your prerogative.
21:31.31SabarenIt's something along the lines of, 'don't copy to library'.
21:32.07mikmawhen is the blizzcock anyway
21:32.10foxlitIn current builds, I don't think you can end up in that situation without explicitly requesting it.
21:32.23foxlitSince the default is *copy* to library, originals remain in place.
21:32.24Gnarfozit did that on first startup, and it was ages ago, and I'm quite certain I looked beforehand =)
21:32.34foxlitIt's the "Consolidate Library" that is somewhat destructive.
21:32.46Gnarfozand I'm also quite certain that that particular mishap wouldn't happen nowadays anymore ;)
21:32.57Gnarfozalestane: hate? no. just not use. ;)
21:33.22SabarenI've used iTunes since it was in its early years and I've not once seen it destroy a library like that. I've always had to explicitly tell it when I wanted files deleted (or any case that isn't copying).
21:33.28Gnarfozalestane: also, widely acclaimed for something, probably, but others are acclaimed, too
21:33.29foxlit"Gnarfoz: iTunes needs a nuke right... in the face" << Clearly affection :)
21:33.43alestaneWell, I believe it does, during its first run, also allow you to skip searching for things to add to your library.
21:33.54Gnarfozright, I missed the "stop using hyperbole in this channel" sign when I entered ;)
21:34.25Gnarfozalestane: like I said, I'm fairly certain it didn't then, or if it did, didn't say anything about how destructive that might be ^^
21:35.41Gnarfozanyway, since I don't currently use it, obviously my picture of it is not up to date
21:36.23alestaneTry it on a backup sometime. Or don't. Obviously up to you.
21:37.07GnarfozI'd likely end up using it just for the store part, hehe
21:37.25drfuzzykinsI prefer other software to iTunes simply because I'm obsessive and my media software needs support for every single file and tagging format ever
21:37.40alestaneIt still tends to assume that its users are not technically inclined, even if they may be computer-literate, so yes, I'd probably advocate declining anything it offers to do for you until you can get in and explore the preferences.
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21:39.43maggie_nhello
21:39.51alestane~Hello
21:39.52purlHowdy Bub
21:42.10Krapsoh the guild will have an hour on stage at blizzcon, cool
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21:48.13theorbtwoWow.  That's around as long as their entire first season, IIRC.
21:48.59jnwhitehAnyone have an T-Mobile G1 that they want to get rid of?
21:49.17JackBurtona script like these possible? http://pastebin.com/m7e10ffdb
21:49.43ScytheBlade1JackBurton: no
21:50.03jnwhitehYou can write an addon to approximate it
21:50.05ScytheBlade1you can't conditionally cast/do anything with /script or /run, in short
21:50.24jnwhitehBut not with a macro
21:50.30jnwhitehYou can get the same behavior, tho.
21:50.53JackBurtonthanks for the prompt answer guys
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21:53.43Gnarfozwould it be evil to suggest abusing the /dump bug ;p
21:53.51alestane...yes,
21:53.52ScytheBlade1coughs
21:54.20alestaneAnd a poor long-term solution in any case, so doubly evil.
21:55.12Gnarfozquite so, yes
21:55.12Gnarfoz:>
21:55.34Krapswtb my sister smacking her kid once in a while
21:56.02ScytheBlade1I'd have a bet that it'll be a short term solution, too
21:56.50JackBurtonscythe would this also not work as well for the same reasons? http://pastebin.com/m2dd50455
21:57.34jnwhitehyou don't need to use /dump
21:57.34Gnarfozno, that should work
21:57.37jnwhitehthe addon fro it is trivial
21:57.55jnwhitehand the last macro you posted _should_ work
21:58.00alestane",nochanneling:Shadow Bolt" can be omitted as it will never be true. You never channel Shadow Bolt.
21:58.00ScytheBlade1you can pick up/delete items in a macro just fine, yes
21:58.06GnarfozI didn't even read the entire first paste, tbh ;)
21:58.18JackBurtonthe delete funtion works i use it all the time
21:58.36Dumanhmm
21:58.48Arrowmasterwhat the fuck, trying to purchase the blizzcon stream and i get a blank white page after inputing my payment info
21:59.02foxlitArrowmaster: grats
21:59.07JackBurtoni just wana use the snippet to endmacro IF the number of soulstones is less than say 5. so for example: run the script. if the result is bad then endmacro
21:59.19foxlitYou do get a confirmation email, however.
21:59.49Arrowmasterfoxlit: it already fucked up once from me leaving the page idle at the input payment info page for few days then i couldnt use the same account name
21:59.49foxlit(eventually)
22:00.03DagmarJackBurton: So, how do you suppose you're going to detect the number of soulstones within a macro?
22:02.19JackBurtonthe the pickup and delete extra soulstones works
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22:02.50JackBurtonjust trying to borrow a the function that counds how many you have to compliment another function
22:02.52foxlit[soulstones are unique, of course]
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22:17.40foxlitHm.
22:17.40foxlitI've got a chunk of code that I'm pretty sure is responsible for something, but I can no longer seem to trigger.
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22:20.19foxlitAh, there.
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22:27.55Aelobin_when will they nerf pally mana regen for pvp :/
22:28.04Aelobin_that crit = mana thing is ridiculous
22:28.19Kaeltenok I need mac testers for the v4 mac client
22:28.33Kaeltenaccepting anyone with 10.5 installed
22:34.22JackBurtonanyone use sun viewport and know where to set it so you can zoom out far in third person view?
22:39.02Dumanhmm... forums just got hella slow
22:46.12BrunersAelobin_: baw
22:46.29Aelobin_=o
22:46.46Aelobin_just spent 27 minutes in a 2v2 rated because of pally mana regen :P
22:47.12Shirikbleh
22:47.18Shiriklong arenas are fun
22:48.15Shirikso I'm confused Aelobin_
22:48.27Shirikis it ret regen or what?
22:48.29Aelobin_not vs 2 pallies
22:48.31Shirikyou talking about holy?
22:48.33Aelobin_holy/ret pallys
22:48.40Aelobin_so double the regen
22:48.40Shirikl2manaburn
22:48.44Aelobin_we did...
22:48.50Shirikl2manaburnbetter
22:48.51Aelobin_priest/dk
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22:49.02Aelobin_l2resi :P
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22:49.31Aelobin_reduces the rate of mana burn, allowing them to get just enough mana from mp5 to pop a heal
22:49.36Aelobin_if it crits, theyre back in the game >_<
22:49.47Aelobin_tried bursting down the healer several times too :/ bubbles ftl
22:51.59foxlitSigh.
22:52.10ShirikI love software that installs itself
22:52.12Shirikand then
22:52.15Shiriksays it has to reboot
22:52.23Shirikand the options are "restart now" and "restart later"
22:52.27Shirikand "restart later" is greyed out
22:52.38Sabarenspeaking of.. i need to turn off the auto restart for windows updater
22:52.56Sabarensetting your computer alarm then having your computer restart while you sleep and turn it off = fail
22:53.46foxlitcontrol:Run() <-- executes with self == owner, or self == self?
22:56.06foxlitThe former.
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22:59.02Krapswhat do hash signs do in twitter?
22:59.30kd3they form a common channel that can be searched for
23:00.06kd3say, http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Battlecry
23:01.41foxlithttp://fc02.deviantart.com/fs46/f/2009/197/0/b/Starcraft_Reaver_Plushie_by_HezaChan.jpg << you want one.
23:02.58NightHawkTheSanekd3: i'd say less of a channel more of a tag, but yeah
23:04.44foxlitAren't they free-text searchable anyway?
23:04.55foxlitSo I should be able to find both "#hashtag" and "hashtag"
23:05.13NightHawkTheSaneyes
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23:05.37kd3ya, but #hashtag automatically pops a search link on the website
23:06.04NightHawkTheSanethat, and adding the # tends to make it easy to group posts based on clear criteria
23:06.15Shirik|Ghostozzy is going to be at blizzcon
23:06.16Shirik|Ghostwtf
23:06.23Shirikit's because I'm not going imo
23:06.25kd3slowrik is slow
23:06.35NightHawkTheSanewelcome to last week Shirik
23:06.40Shirikhey fu
23:07.54foxlitYour kingdom shalll crumble beneath the weight of justice, Fisker.
23:08.09Shirikhuh?
23:09.04foxlitShirik confussion accomplished.
23:09.17foxlitI have a feeling my spilleng checker is no longer working.
23:09.42FiskerSTOP!
23:09.44FiskerNotwittertime
23:11.15Shiriknot 4chan?
23:13.27Fiskerno twitter time
23:13.56jnwhitehI should start trending #Fisker
23:14.21ScytheBlade1heh
23:14.27ScytheBlade1awesome idea right there
23:14.31jnwhitehanyone game? :P
23:14.35ScytheBlade1~jnwhiteh++
23:15.01ScytheBlade1also, glibc update, reboot
23:15.01Fiskeri hate you already jnwhiteh
23:15.12foxlithttp://www.collegehumor.com/video:1918969
23:17.10Shirikglibc is overrated
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23:18.54Fiskerthere's a spear heading for your head
23:24.11Shirikwell this is nice
23:24.16ShirikI go to install Visual Studio 2010
23:24.29Shirikand Windows 7 is all "This program has known compatibility issues!""
23:24.34Shirikand I'm like "wtf.... it's NEWER"
23:25.33foxlitIt's not compatible with 2009, silly.
23:25.41foxlitUpdate your year to 2010
23:26.36KrapsShirik: i heard microsoft likes errors, so they put errors in your errors so you can headdesk while you headdesk
23:26.57VonhintenHOME`lol
23:27.00foxlitYou cannot use regular expressions to recognize valid regular expressions.
23:27.10foxlitBut can you use PREGs to recognize valid PREGs?
23:27.47foxlits/PREGs/Perl regular expressions/
23:27.59Shirikyou can use LPEG
23:28.11Shirikand is that proven?
23:28.22foxlitLPEG is an abomination :)
23:28.48Shirik.. :(
23:28.52foxlitShirik: it's a trivial proof. Regular expressions must contain balanced parenthesis. You cannot validate balanced parenthesis in a regular expression.
23:28.53Shiriklpeg is hotsauce
23:29.09Shirikyou talking about Lua patterns?
23:29.11Shirikp.s. yes you can
23:29.21foxlitNo, I'm talking about regular expressions
23:29.50ShirikI take regular expression to mean PCRE
23:29.50foxlit[The deterministic finite automata type.]
23:30.41ShirikI guess you're right
23:30.43Shirikit's not possible
23:31.39foxlitPCRE are ultimatley more expressive than DFAs, so the question stands for them.
23:33.41ShirikLPEG ftw though
23:36.05foxlitIt's overriding of operators is *extremely* annoying for readability
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23:47.53PhilemonAnyone work with DBM here? The lord jaraxxus module is broken. You hear the audio warning every time anyone in your raid stands in the fire.
23:48.11Shirikbad foxlit
23:48.14Shiriks/it's/its/
23:48.33Shirikanyway, LPEG is more readable than C# at least
23:48.38foxlitYes, of course. I was pestering my spelling/grammar checker.
23:48.46foxlit</excuse>
23:49.21foxlitI'd prefer some form of method notation
23:49.27foxlitpattern:followedBy(otherPattern)
23:49.32foxlitpattern:or(otherPattern)
23:49.33Shirikok, sure
23:49.52foxlitpattern * otherPattern is just cruel.
23:50.22jnwhitehwell you can easily write that yourself
23:50.23jnwhiteh:P
23:50.59foxlitThe same can be said for the current convention.
23:51.25jnwhitehaye, they clearly prefer this version *shrug*
23:56.30foxlitI'm contemplating replacing some portion of my binding logic with secure state drivers.
23:59.18foxlitThe actual replacement code is actually short, but full of annoying sharp edges.

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