| 00:00.19 | Torhal | Maybe then you'll achieve enlightenment. |
| 00:00.19 | mikma | mm, chilled monkeybrains |
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| 00:05.11 | tekkub | there was an addon out there that made the merchant frame like betterinbox wasn't there? |
| 00:05.23 | tekkub | is it nice and simple, or is all borgy bloated? |
| 00:05.37 | Torhal | tekkub: It sucks monkeyballs. |
| 00:05.45 | tekkub | bugger |
| 00:05.56 | tekkub | point me at the code so my OCD will trigger |
| 00:06.02 | Shirik | so how exactly do you turn off your XP? |
| 00:06.10 | tekkub | talk to bestinslots |
| 00:06.26 | Torhal | tekkub: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9267-ImprovedMerchant.html |
| 00:06.56 | Torhal | tekkub: Yssaril wrote one that he never released other than to th WoWAce forums. I've been using it for months. |
| 00:07.14 | Industrial | tekkub: wtb character selection dropdown in ampere :3 |
| 00:07.17 | Shirik | bestinslots? |
| 00:07.18 | tekkub | it any good? all I want is the 1- or 2-line FSF instead of paging |
| 00:07.19 | Shirik | Where's that? |
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| 00:07.27 | tekkub | Shirik: in the patch notes ass |
| 00:07.32 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:07.40 | Shirik | I thought this was channel where I don't have to do any work |
| 00:07.54 | tekkub | nope, that's what you get for thinking |
| 00:07.55 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 00:08.02 | Industrial | nope |
| 00:08.03 | Torhal | tekkub: Ah, it has filters and a scrollbar. |
| 00:08.11 | Industrial | also, nn. |
| 00:08.14 | tekkub | if filter isn't bloat that's okey |
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| 00:08.34 | tekkub | Players who do not wish to gain experience through PvP can visit Behsten in Stormwind or Slahtz in Orgrimmar â both located near the Battlemasters in either city â and turn off all experience accumulation for the cost of 10 gold. |
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| 00:09.02 | tekkub | Torhal: got a linky? |
| 00:09.10 | Torhal | Looking now |
| 00:09.24 | Torhal | tekkub: http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=266989&postcount=11 |
| 00:11.02 | tekkub | hrm.. yea need a tiny bit of tweaking |
| 00:11.09 | tekkub | iLvl is not needed, in the tooltip |
| 00:11.16 | tekkub | buy button is redundant |
| 00:12.15 | Yssaril | Torhal: lol totaly forgot about that (been using it since i wrote it though) and tekkub there isnt a buy button in the last verion i posted |
| 00:12.35 | Yssaril | i should really toss that on wowace as a project |
| 00:12.47 | tekkub | Yssaril: I'll probably twek it down to single-line ala GnomishAuctionShrinker |
| 00:13.13 | tekkub | you gonna officially release this anywhere, or should I just release my tweaked version when I'm happy with it? |
| 00:13.19 | Yssaril | tekkub: if you want it you can have it (you'll probably do a better job than me anyway) |
| 00:13.31 | Shirik | man tekkub |
| 00:13.33 | Shirik | I looked it up |
| 00:13.39 | Torhal | Yssaril: I kept meaning to drop you a line about it |
| 00:13.42 | Shirik | don't tell me to go to patch notes and then link it after I look it up :< |
| 00:13.48 | Shirik | you're cruel |
| 00:14.06 | tekkub | it's the only way you'll learn |
| 00:18.40 | Yssaril | tekkub: the reason i keeps it 2 lines is to keep the icons big enough also if you single left click the icon you can edit the quantity you want :) |
| 00:19.02 | tekkub | yea, I'm not highly keen on the big icons |
| 00:19.08 | tekkub | I love the one-line view in the AH |
| 00:19.20 | tekkub | thinking it'd translate to the merchant frame well |
| 00:20.37 | Yssaril | whatever you want :) though being able to type in how much you want is great i think i bought 1000 cheese once to test it |
| 00:20.54 | tekkub | lol |
| 00:21.16 | tekkub | if I'm buying anything on mass like that it's always in SYC anywya |
| 00:21.30 | tekkub | mod-right-click for a full stack is all I ever need |
| 00:21.54 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 00:22.50 | tekkub | and honestly, I think I'll probably make the search super simple |
| 00:23.01 | tekkub | just 50% alpha on non-match rows |
| 00:23.35 | tekkub | cause the only time I'd use serach is to find the right thing in a big mass, I dont need Google here |
| 00:23.49 | tekkub | just OSX/sarafi-style highlighting of matches |
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| 00:28.07 | Torhal | tekkub: Meh. Here's a newer link http://forums.wowace.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3461&d=1236309181 |
| 00:32.28 | NightHawkTheSane | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3804759012_ea06413f28_b.jpg |
| 00:34.58 | tekkub | yea Torhal I found the latest there |
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| 00:45.27 | tekkub | Yssaril: with all due respect... |
| 00:45.37 | tekkub | what the fuck were you smoking with this scale stuff? |
| 00:45.52 | tekkub | parent things to a frame and scale it, it will cascade down |
| 00:45.53 | Yssaril | :P |
| 00:46.17 | Yssaril | but that would be the easy way of doing it |
| 00:46.24 | tekkub | you shouldn't have to care about scale ever unless you're giving an option, in which case you only modify the parent's scale |
| 00:46.54 | tekkub | but with this you should never care, cause you'll just inherit the scale of the real merchant frame |
| 00:48.52 | Yssaril | yea never did do anything with scale like a config but it does work if you know the comands to change it but yea should have never worried about it |
| 00:49.18 | tekkub | 'sokey |
| 00:49.24 | tekkub | I'll make it all better |
| 00:50.29 | Yssaril | if you want to see some thing may i say interesting look at around line 170 it works but never got around to making it better |
| 00:51.07 | tekkub | erm, I've already butchered the line numbers |
| 00:51.18 | tekkub | give me the actualy contents of the line |
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| 00:52.39 | Yssaril | its an if statment that spreads over a couple lines but if you put it in a single line it looks somehthing like this |
| 00:52.43 | Yssaril | if (not AMF.Filter_USABLE_ITEMS or isUsable) and (not AMF.Filter_NOT_ITEM_SPELL_KNOWN or not AMF:CheckIfKnown(GetMerchantItemLink(i))) and (not next(AMF.Filter) or AMF.Filter[itemType]) and (not AMF.Filter[itemType] or not next(AMF.Filter[itemType]) or AMF.Filter[itemType][itemSubType])and (not AMF.Filter_EQUIPPABLE_ITEMS or itemEquipLoc ~= '') and (not AMF.Filter_EQUIPPABLE_ITEMS or not next(AMF. |
| 00:52.54 | Yssaril | damn hit the character limit |
| 00:53.15 | tekkub | ah, filter stuff? |
| 00:53.19 | Yssaril | yea |
| 00:53.46 | tekkub | I'll probably have a "only show items I can use" check that's off and a "only show recipies I do not know" that is on by default |
| 00:54.01 | tekkub | or maybe both off |
| 00:54.16 | tekkub | yea probably both off actually, no filtering by default, it would confuse people |
| 00:55.48 | Yssaril | put in an option to hide all the armor types you can wear but are no good say cloth if you are a pally |
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| 00:56.56 | tekkub | no :) |
| 00:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, but I would never gimp myself that way... cloth /= no good for a paladin, you just have to be extra careful, and it's not a staple, just an indulgence. |
| 00:59.30 | tekkub | it all depends really |
| 00:59.47 | tekkub | cloth drops on a healy pally I'm willing to roll for if noone else wants |
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| 01:00.05 | tekkub | but usually vendor items they're good about providing all specs for each AC level |
| 01:00.21 | Cloudwolf | question (for any one hwos alliance and this is not addon related) do any of you know a good way to rep up with gnomeregan besides the argent tourney? |
| 01:00.27 | tekkub | I wouldn't buy healy cloth over healy plate, but if there was no healy plate... |
| 01:00.57 | tekkub | Cloudwolf: you don't, who wants a shitty mecho strider? problem solved |
| 01:01.10 | tekkub | aliance mounts suck, cat's the only good one |
| 01:01.14 | Cloudwolf | uh title and the ability to do new dailies -_- |
| 01:01.26 | Yssaril | Cloudwolf: turn in tones of runecloth :P |
| 01:01.36 | Cloudwolf | hmmk |
| 01:01.49 | tekkub | I thought the dailies were all about "champion" which you got exalted while you earned... |
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| 01:02.04 | tekkub | but what do I know, I don't do rep grinds except to get a mount, and now I just get bears |
| 01:02.12 | tekkub | problem solved |
| 01:02.27 | Cloudwolf | see im already champion of gnomeregan |
| 01:02.40 | Cloudwolf | but im not exalted with gnomeregan >.> short on rep sucks |
| 01:02.43 | tekkub | see I thought you got exalted while you earned champ |
| 01:02.56 | tekkub | you can buy the rep tokens form the tourny |
| 01:03.14 | tekkub | they put those in since the cloth is all low level cloth that's harder to come by |
| 01:03.34 | Cloudwolf | i need 4k more rep and im trying to get hat in 2 days i can get 1k rep per day easy heh |
| 01:03.46 | Yssaril | yea thats what i did got all 5 factions to exalted with the tokens |
| 01:03.47 | Cloudwolf | hehe im getting cloth right now in strathholme |
| 01:04.11 | tekkub | farming that much cloth is not fun, even when you can steamroll strat |
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| 01:04.30 | Cloudwolf | Ive only ran culling of strathholme it kinda makes me sad to see all the endgame content i missed. |
| 01:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | at that level, cloth wasn't a bad thing, Cloudwolf. The Abyssal plate from that desert place thing by AQ was the next better thing added. |
| 01:05.03 | tekkub | Yssaril: other issue, what's this crap you're doing with fonts? *always* use the built in font styles, that way people can change them easily |
| 01:05.24 | Yssaril | no idea :P |
| 01:05.27 | Lopeppeppy | I wore a ton of cloth in 60 raiding. Then again, holy pallies off tank now a days, so cloth is not something worn lightly anymore. |
| 01:05.41 | tekkub | Cloudwolf: indeed, you know what they need, cross-faction instances |
| 01:05.53 | Cloudwolf | uhh? lol |
| 01:05.53 | tekkub | it's so hard to organize old-content raids |
| 01:06.11 | Cloudwolf | you mean team up with alliance and horde to do old instances? |
| 01:06.13 | tekkub | it's very hard to find enough people that want to go |
| 01:06.19 | tekkub | er I meant cross-server |
| 01:06.23 | tekkub | like the battlegrounds |
| 01:06.39 | tekkub | if you could do an instance with other people in your battleground... |
| 01:06.41 | Torhal | Cross-faction would be hilarious. People grunting at one another to try to down a boss. |
| 01:06.44 | tekkub | *battlegroup |
| 01:07.06 | Torhal | points at Ragnaros. |
| 01:07.10 | Torhal | grunts. |
| 01:07.10 | Cloudwolf | i want to know why i can speak draconic in game >.> |
| 01:07.14 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.24 | Yssaril | Torhal: they could do it Caverns of time sstyle where you get transformed to alliance faction anyways |
| 01:07.26 | tekkub | *run over to left, jump a lot* |
| 01:07.28 | Cloudwolf | i want to find some one else in game who can and see if we can understand eachother especialy cross faction i want to test cross faction so badly |
| 01:07.33 | Torhal | Yssaril: Aye |
| 01:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | Cloudwolf, do not test the waters of what is not allowed. We don't talk about that here, remember? |
| 01:08.14 | tekkub | really what they need to do is add artificial level capping, and then put badges on the old raid bosses |
| 01:08.25 | Cloudwolf | Lopeppeppy its not an addon at all |
| 01:08.30 | tekkub | then if you want to do MC every week for badges, more power to you |
| 01:08.34 | Cloudwolf | i randomly learned the language draconic one day |
| 01:08.47 | tekkub | you just get together 40 60+ players and you all zone in as 60s |
| 01:11.22 | Cloudwolf | I have a question has any one randomly found out they know a new language just randomly?(ive heard of titan draconic and like one other) |
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| 01:11.59 | tekkub | I think there was a bug some time back where some gnomes learned draconic or something |
| 01:12.10 | tekkub | and then they patched it later |
| 01:12.12 | Cloudwolf | XD well i was one of them |
| 01:12.20 | Cloudwolf | Well i still have draconic :D |
| 01:12.30 | tekkub | maybe they never fixed it |
| 01:13.07 | Cloudwolf | and im not complianin its fun to confuse people with it |
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| 01:21.38 | augustl | not ui related, but I'm not aware of any other wow irc channels with people in it. Does blacksmithing suck at 80? Can't find anything that compares to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28427 for a 80 guy. |
| 01:22.04 | tem | Saronite Animus is ANNIHILATING us |
| 01:22.18 | tem | at about 40 stacks, some ranged die |
| 01:22.27 | tem | and then melee get shadow crashed and die |
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| 01:27.47 | Yssaril | augustl: the appeal as a BS at 80 is that you get 2 extra sockets other than that if you are raiding there is not much it will give you unless you are starting out |
| 01:28.08 | augustl | so blacksmithing is definitely not the casuals profession, then, as it used to be in tbc? |
| 01:28.11 | augustl | <== a casual |
| 01:29.37 | Yssaril | dont get me wrong the titansteel destroyer is great one of the nice items if you dont raid imo |
| 01:29.59 | Yssaril | same with the other weapons but they are all boe so you can buy them from others if you want |
| 01:30.32 | augustl | the reason I rolled BS in TBC was to get those imba perfect-for-casuals bop items |
| 01:30.33 | augustl | oh well |
| 01:30.40 | tem | woot |
| 01:30.47 | tem | animus down |
| 01:31.02 | tem | simultaneously all the melee died to a shadow crash |
| 01:33.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
| 01:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | If they were so imba in TBC, you shouldn't be surprised that they weren't improved upon. |
| 01:35.59 | Dagmar | I get half of my "casuals" gear from the AH |
| 01:36.10 | Dagmar | ...although ToC is rapidly making that obsolete |
| 01:36.24 | augustl | been googling around |
| 01:36.33 | augustl | blizz thought that it was kind of lame to have the best-in-slot items require a profession |
| 01:36.39 | jnwhiteh | ToC 5 man is so freaking fast to run |
| 01:36.44 | jnwhiteh | almost as fast as VH =) |
| 01:36.59 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, it's a pain in the ass to tank with high dps though |
| 01:37.00 | VonhintenHOME` | I hate it |
| 01:38.10 | Dagmar | That's what all the runnin' around is good for |
| 01:38.17 | Dagmar | Keeps deeps to a minimum |
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| 01:40.05 | kd3|netbook | must, must invest in a mouse |
| 01:41.26 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3|netbook: or piles and piles of keybinds |
| 01:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | I need a new mouse too, this one is wireless and just sometimes... doesn't talk anymore. |
| 01:43.24 | tem | augustl, I fully agree with them that bis items from a profession was lame |
| 01:43.43 | tem | that doesn't mean, however, that I didn't wish BS had a more notable perk |
| 01:47.55 | Dagmar | Pfft. Thankfully there's very few of them, but frankly I don't see a problem with 1-2 BiS items coming from crafters |
| 01:48.27 | Dagmar | ...especially considering the number of so-called ubers bad-mouthing crafted gear to the point where there's hardly anyone who goes looking to buy some for fear of being called names. |
| 01:50.12 | Lopeppeppy | Must love the EJ attitude. |
| 01:51.08 | Dagmar | No, I don't |
| 01:51.34 | Dagmar | I started to go about destroying some little huntard's self esteem in the forums yesterday because of it |
| 01:51.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 01:52.27 | Dagmar | Looks like he figured out he'd better shut his mouth |
| 01:53.03 | Dagmar | I was very nice in the first round... I simply said that the reset=6 he was using seemed to have a less than useful time value on it |
| 01:53.11 | Dagmar | This was for a _trap dropping macro_ |
| 01:53.39 | Dagmar | The kid's got all kindsa ulduar gear but apparently isn't bright enough to notice there's a 30 second cooldown on traps. |
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| 01:54.08 | kd3|netbook | sigh |
| 01:54.09 | alestane | Haven't they split it into 3 cooldowns now? |
| 01:54.14 | Dagmar | They have |
| 01:55.08 | Dagmar | So you can drop three types of traps, which is kinda cool, but that reset=6 means if you drop the first one, then wait more than six seconds but less than 25-30 before you hit it again, nothing happens |
| 01:55.22 | tem | woot |
| 01:55.24 | alestane | Oops. |
| 01:55.26 | tem | I love the smell of Saronite |
| 01:55.31 | tem | also, Voldrethar is on the corpse |
| 01:55.37 | alestane | In the morning? |
| 01:55.54 | Dagmar | I mean, that's just inexcusable for a hunter to NOT know there's a longer cooldown in the way on a class-defining skill |
| 01:56.17 | alestane | I thought no-0one expected hunters to know anything? |
| 01:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | That's the problem. They live up to what we expect of them. |
| 01:56.49 | tem | SADFACE |
| 01:56.51 | tem | I rolled 9 |
| 01:57.10 | Dagmar | I will admit it would be easier to shine if I knew which freaking abilities for sure had the "I'll pick my own target, thanks!" enhancement |
| 01:57.14 | tem | ILOVETHESMELLOFSARONITEINTHEMORNING, SHIIBOT |
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| 01:57.17 | tem | ILOVETHESMELLOFSARONITEINTHEMORNING, SHIIBOT |
| 01:57.22 | tem | ILOVETHESMELLOFSARONITEINTHEMORNING, SHIIBOT |
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| 01:57.22 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 250 minutes |
| 01:57.26 | tem | giggle |
| 01:57.47 | alestane | Dammit, tem, if you break the bot you clean it up. |
| 01:57.55 | Dagmar | There's nothing cooler than standing there slamming the kill shot macro, and then watching your toon fire off a lone shot fully ninety-degrees to your left to hit J. Random Mob |
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| 01:58.14 | Cairenn | hands tem a broom & dustpan |
| 01:58.27 | Kraps | they're making mmos for the wrong franchises |
| 01:58.49 | Dagmar | Well, we'll probably be looking at a Harry Potter MMO shortly after the next mmovie |
| 01:58.56 | Dagmar | That'll take some of the pressure off. :) |
| 01:59.04 | Kraps | inorite |
| 02:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: points for awesome |
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| 02:08.21 | Dagmar | *sigh* Someone makign a suggestion on how to "fix" BM huntess based on the fact that when he and an SV hunter stood there and let their pets chew on the target dummy for awhile, his only beat the SV hunter's by about 5%. |
| 02:08.49 | Dagmar | Maybe we could talk them into including some quests that involved reading comprehension |
| 02:09.15 | Dagmar | Maybe a whole level's worth of quests like that, in a zone where there is no area-wide chat |
| 02:09.17 | alestane | You know what that leads to. |
| 02:09.26 | alestane | Yes, I see you do. |
| 02:10.54 | augustl | is the built-in equipment manager able to move all items in a set from bank to inventory and vice versa? |
| 02:11.27 | Dagmar | Literacy? |
| 02:11.46 | Dagmar | august1: Not sure, but it's a damn good question |
| 02:12.10 | augustl | if not, someone ought to make an addon that does that :) |
| 02:12.17 | Dagmar | I doubt it would put them back into the bank, but it I suspect it would be able to get them from the bacnk |
| 02:12.25 | Dagmar | Outfitter probably already does it |
| 02:12.26 | augustl | that uses the built-in stuff, that is. I'm aware of closetgnome and all those. |
| 02:12.49 | Torhal | Dagmar: A MMO based on the "mmovie"? :) |
| 02:13.19 | Dagmar | Torhal: An MMO based on spending 20 levels in an actual school |
| 02:13.27 | Torhal | Heh |
| 02:13.32 | Dagmar | ...and if we're lucky, PERMADEATH for stupidiy after that. |
| 02:13.41 | augustl | hmm, you can go through each item and click "place in bags" |
| 02:13.43 | Dagmar | I'd be all over that |
| 02:14.08 | Dagmar | I mean, I really despise XP debt, but cripes it does appear to keep the idiots out |
| 02:15.57 | Wobin | aw |
| 02:16.04 | Wobin | they hotfixed the mimron trash |
| 02:16.24 | wsoul | wobin! |
| 02:16.41 | wsoul | expertise or 2&threat 10 parry rating? ;) |
| 02:16.56 | wsoul | I feel like I'm your padawan when it comes to tanking |
| 02:17.04 | wsoul | giggles |
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| 02:17.25 | wsoul | my expertise = 13 |
| 02:20.46 | Wobin | wsoul: latter |
| 02:20.56 | wsoul | really? |
| 02:20.58 | Wobin | 2% threat is better |
| 02:21.17 | wsoul | oh ok |
| 02:22.29 | wsoul | i just bought that glove for conquest |
| 02:22.47 | wsoul | gauntlet of the royal watch |
| 02:23.56 | Wobin | avoidance and threat is what you want as a tank |
| 02:25.41 | wsoul | hmm |
| 02:25.52 | wsoul | sec |
| 02:26.34 | wsoul | will all the conquest stuff i got since patch |
| 02:26.47 | wsoul | glove, neck, vest the helmet later |
| 02:27.18 | wsoul | def 544, dodge 22.43 "7.58" hit rating |
| 02:27.25 | wsoul | 306 |
| 02:28.17 | wsoul | hoping i get into a good grp to do crusader tomorrow |
| 02:28.55 | wsoul | 31916k unbuffed |
| 02:31.06 | wsoul | hoping i get to do crusader with a good grp* |
| 02:35.58 | Wobin | that's pretty decent =) |
| 02:36.09 | wsoul | hehe thanks |
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| 02:37.04 | wsoul | the other tank didn't inv for crusader because he's afraid of me rolling for the loot |
| 02:37.08 | Kraps | 3.2 multi-mob warrior tanking: spam cleave |
| 02:37.09 | wsoul | and we're both in the guild |
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| 02:37.40 | wsoul | so planning on leaving without telling and reasons, and join someone else |
| 02:38.01 | Wobin | that's terrible |
| 02:38.15 | Wobin | cause ffs, the loot will drop again =P |
| 02:38.36 | wsoul | been patient for a long time with them nothing changed |
| 02:38.38 | Wobin | in any case, if he's tanking, you would let him roll, as you're playing offspec |
| 02:38.43 | wsoul | they inv for "heroics" |
| 02:38.49 | Wobin | if you're tanking, then the same |
| 02:38.54 | wsoul | no MS now |
| 02:39.07 | wsoul | Tanking MS/DPSing offspec |
| 02:39.22 | wsoul | you'd laugh if you check my dps talent tree |
| 02:39.41 | wsoul | some changes in unholy tree and didn't even bother reading |
| 02:39.56 | wsoul | but yeah i get your point |
| 02:41.25 | wsoul | the other dude in the guild started to collecttanking gear, i needed the trinket 127 stamina from toc |
| 02:41.34 | wsoul | did run it 12 times and didn't drop |
| 02:41.50 | wsoul | he joins, asked i told him go for it cause my gear is far better than his |
| 02:42.13 | Dagmar | hah |
| 02:42.17 | wsoul | told him will get it sooner or latewr |
| 02:42.43 | wsoul | no seriously, a lot take gear loot seriously like "i'm going to hunt you down and kill you" |
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| 02:43.09 | Dagmar | I know |
| 02:43.10 | Dagmar | It's sad |
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| 02:44.31 | wsoul | think i should leave that guild |
| 02:44.42 | wsoul | and see if i can get in any other one |
| 02:44.51 | wsoul | were you actually get an invite for a raid |
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| 02:46.11 | wsoul | bbiaw |
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| 02:51.17 | augustl | haha, lvl70 gear doesn't work well in lvl80 pvp |
| 02:51.25 | augustl | is not looking forward to grinding honor in this state |
| 02:58.22 | ZorbaBeta | go craft your starter pvp set? |
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| 03:04.27 | augustl | ZorbaBeta: ah, the blacksmith greenies? |
| 03:04.40 | augustl | tnx |
| 03:07.29 | tem | my god I hate taunt misses |
| 03:09.18 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/#829602 |
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| 03:14.52 | Kraps__ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110025112&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 03:16.52 | Adys | jesus |
| 03:18.04 | Kraps__ | he saves |
| 03:18.27 | Torhal | http://translationparty.com/tp/#831084 |
| 03:18.29 | Cairenn | everyone else takes 10 damage |
| 03:18.55 | Adys | Torhal: http://translationparty.com/tp/#831181 |
| 03:19.14 | Torhal | Holy shit |
| 03:20.11 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#831327 I could do that for hours. |
| 03:20.21 | Torhal | Hah! http://translationparty.com/tp/#831334 |
| 03:21.08 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#831510 |
| 03:22.21 | Torhal | Just removed the period, eh? |
| 03:22.26 | Adys | yeah |
| 03:23.06 | Torhal | http://translationparty.com/tp/#831786 |
| 03:23.29 | Torhal | http://translationparty.com/tp/#831868 ROFL |
| 03:23.43 | Adys | boring |
| 03:23.55 | Adys | I'm still not over the "baby kicks" |
| 03:24.22 | Torhal | ? |
| 03:24.28 | Adys | try it |
| 03:25.21 | Torhal | Wow |
| 03:25.28 | Torhal | ...try "baby bites" |
| 03:25.47 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#832199 Kael thas is a poet |
| 03:26.15 | Adys | You really are my night, I have a few elves, half-blind or have you left me in the future of hybrid cars? |
| 03:26.19 | Torhal | I think you broke the server |
| 03:26.31 | Adys | remove the 3 last words and its pretty good. |
| 03:26.57 | Cloudwolf | ROFL at baby bites |
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| 03:27.11 | Adys | lol |
| 03:27.14 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:27.19 | Torhal | That's kinda messed up :) |
| 03:27.20 | Cairenn | You guys really are amused by the simplest of things, aren't you? |
| 03:27.37 | Adys | Cairenn: tp is probably the best site out there |
| 03:27.39 | Torhal | Cairenn: I'm holding back an amusing retort :) |
| 03:28.10 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#832607 |
| 03:29.21 | Yssaril | lol they lied to me http://translationparty.com/tp/#832808 |
| 03:29.24 | Torhal | Dayum |
| 03:29.36 | Adys | you know what |
| 03:29.45 | Adys | i think Im going to make a list of the best equilibriums |
| 03:29.46 | Torhal | http://translationparty.com/tp/#832795 |
| 03:29.52 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 03:29.57 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#832915 this one's pretty high. |
| 03:30.20 | Torhal | Haha |
| 03:30.28 | Yssaril | ROFL |
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| 04:15.52 | Torhal | Adys: Shoot me, please. I decided to install the Ubuntu development branch and now WoW tells me my 3D accelerator card is not supported. |
| 04:16.04 | Adys | what card you got? |
| 04:16.17 | Torhal | nVidia 9800GTX+ |
| 04:16.22 | Lukian | you installed.. a ubuntu.. alpha? :p |
| 04:16.26 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 04:16.30 | Adys | karmic is great |
| 04:16.35 | Lukian | those aren't for desktop use, just for testing :p |
| 04:16.40 | Adys | Torhal: gnome? |
| 04:16.50 | Torhal | Lukian: I know that :P But I do it all the time. |
| 04:16.55 | Torhal | Adys: KDE |
| 04:16.57 | Adys | Lukian: i disagree |
| 04:17.08 | Adys | Torhal: k sec |
| 04:17.45 | Adys | sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 |
| 04:18.24 | Lukian | or, system -> admin -> hardware drivers (however you access that using KDE) |
| 04:19.13 | Lukian | or install from binaries (it's not that hard! XD) |
| 04:20.40 | Torhal | Adys: I actually removed the 180 package and compiled a module for my kernel hoping that would work. |
| 04:20.54 | Adys | i usually install from the official binaries |
| 04:20.57 | Torhal | I should probably have mentioned: NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied). |
| 04:21.08 | Adys | i got problems last time i did so didnt do that |
| 04:21.08 | Adys | and er |
| 04:21.11 | Adys | when does it say that? |
| 04:21.28 | Torhal | Right after: fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x39ed9c,0x00000000), stub! |
| 04:21.55 | Adys | well that sounds bad |
| 04:22.04 | Adys | remove them and install from official binaries |
| 04:22.29 | Torhal | I had the same issue with the official binaries. |
| 04:22.38 | Torhal | Which is why I installed the nVidia ones. |
| 04:22.53 | Adys | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-89965.html |
| 04:22.56 | Adys | tried that? |
| 04:23.13 | Torhal | Trying now. |
| 04:23.25 | Arrowmaster | i just used module-assistant to compile my own modules of 185 |
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| 04:23.50 | Arrowmaster | although i still dont have wine working yet so i cant say much about how wow preforms |
| 04:23.52 | Torhal | I just ran NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.31-pkg2.run |
| 04:23.58 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:24.07 | Lukian | so module-assist does work under ubuntu? housemate likes to use it |
| 04:24.11 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, I love you |
| 04:24.20 | Arrowmaster | no clue, i wont touch ubuntu |
| 04:24.27 | Shirik | Use Gentoo! |
| 04:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: why? :P |
| 04:24.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (@ loving me) |
| 04:24.43 | Shirik | Me and the other sane roommate just ran a test |
| 04:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:24.53 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Debian all the way? :) |
| 04:24.54 | Shirik | we are the ones whom don't download stuff all day |
| 04:24.56 | kd3 | hrm.... think I've had about enough of ubuntu. time to find a netbook spin of f11 |
| 04:25.03 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: yeah |
| 04:25.05 | Shirik | I had him continuously ping google |
| 04:25.12 | Shirik | I type ./kill hisIP routerIP |
| 04:25.20 | Shirik | instant "Request timed out" |
| 04:25.26 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 04:25.31 | Shirik | I can finally raid again <3 |
| 04:25.34 | Dagmar | ARP poisoning is pretty easy |
| 04:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:25.37 | Dagmar | Have more fun |
| 04:25.41 | Dagmar | MITM his DNS |
| 04:25.52 | Dagmar | *.com -> tubgirl.com |
| 04:25.56 | Shirik | rofl! |
| 04:26.00 | ScytheBlade1 | DNS won't do jack for torrenting |
| 04:26.14 | Shirik | But anyway, it's pretty nice because it's non-destructive too |
| 04:26.20 | Shirik | as soon as I hit ctrl+c, it recovered in about 2 seconds |
| 04:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 04:26.31 | Dagmar | Yeah, but I guarantee you he'll be looking to do whatever it takes to get the image of that site out of his brain, up to and including turning the PC off |
| 04:26.39 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:26.46 | Shirik | you act like you've done this before |
| 04:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Me? I have |
| 04:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | (not) |
| 04:27.01 | Shirik | I meant Dagmar, but yeah... |
| 04:27.04 | Dagmar | I've done a LOT of things I probably shouldn't have |
| 04:27.04 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what did you do that you had to keep a script running to do it? |
| 04:27.27 | Arrowmaster | ive set goatse as the wallpaper on a friends computer |
| 04:27.44 | Arrowmaster | then turned on the screensaver and walked away |
| 04:27.44 | Dagmar | For like two and a half years, if you were so foolish as to compromise the WEP key at my apartment, you'd wind up in a special IP pool where the DNS server only gave out answers with IPs for tubgirl and a few other "niche" websites |
| 04:27.48 | Shirik | The script is so I don't have to type in 5 million parameters every time I want to disconnect someone |
| 04:27.52 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: On a "friend's" computer... |
| 04:27.58 | Shirik | I just want remote IP, router IP, done |
| 04:28.20 | Shirik | Dagmar: That's awesome |
| 04:28.30 | Dagmar | heck, I used to live behind the offices of a big accountacy firm, and their parking lot ended about 30 feet behind our apartment |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik | If I did that, I wouldn't even lock it down |
| 04:28.47 | Dagmar | Some tool there was checking his ESPN and stuff in the car before going into the office |
| 04:28.59 | Dagmar | ...because we were nice and had it open, but heavily filtered. |
| 04:29.15 | Adys | there must be something wrong with me, I leave my wifi open and public in case a neighbour needs it |
| 04:29.21 | Dagmar | Then one day while I was hung over and still a bit drunk, he went to one of those speed checker sites which set off a bunch of my alarms |
| 04:29.22 | Adys | maybe its something wrong with my neighbourhood |
| 04:29.47 | Dagmar | So, I went into "BoFH mode". Started logging all his packets. Got his AIM info and his ESPN fantasy sports team info etc |
| 04:30.03 | Arrowmaster | if you stand in the right spot you can get a signal from 6 different wifi networks here including mine |
| 04:30.06 | Dagmar | On "D-Day" he was greeted with news headlining on CNN that two of his best picks were no longer in the running |
| 04:30.25 | Dagmar | One had been arrested for child pornography charges, and the other had been killed in a drug lord fight in Bermuda |
| 04:30.30 | Dagmar | Completely fake. |
| 04:30.42 | Dagmar | ...but hey, when you're using someone else's Internet, you get what you pay for. |
| 04:30.53 | Arrowmaster | mine uses a 63 character long WPA2 key since i see no reason for anybody else to get on my wifi |
| 04:31.49 | Dagmar | I couldn't have cared less about people occasionally using our WiFi because I had everything that could be used to cause trouble filtered out |
| 04:32.06 | Dagmar | ...but I didn't care for getting a bunch of false alarsm in my ear at 7 in the freaking morning |
| 04:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | pats his secured tunnels that he uses whenever on... less than perfectly friendly wifi |
| 04:32.25 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Smart man |
| 04:32.42 | Shirik | tunneling won't save you from ms. robinson |
| 04:32.45 | Dagmar | The key word there being "friendly" because MITM mischief is FUN |
| 04:32.46 | Shirik | or whatever her name is |
| 04:32.55 | Adys | so uh Dagmar lemme get this straight |
| 04:33.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: the neat thing is that it runs over :53/udp... which... I've, erm, 'noticed' |
| 04:33.08 | Adys | you set up alarms, you get false positives, you blame it on the other guy? |
| 04:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Seems to walk right past every single for-pay wifi hotspot |
| 04:33.19 | Adys | or did I misread something |
| 04:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And every single login-to-use wifi panel I've tried |
| 04:33.27 | Dagmar | Adys: Yes. "Normal" traffic wouldn't have caused any issues |
| 04:33.39 | Arrowmaster | my secure tunnels kept my login info secured at school when the class started arp poisoning and mitm'ing all traffic |
| 04:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that this couldn't be prevented, but every time I've tried... |
| 04:33.57 | Dagmar | Packets of strange lengths and unusual types however, that was something I was looking for specifically for other reasons |
| 04:34.22 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: http://xkcd.com/341/ |
| 04:34.24 | Dagmar | When he started getting nosy about the connection, that was when he managed to set them off |
| 04:34.41 | Dagmar | Have I mentioned that I should never drink near the computer? |
| 04:34.42 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 04:34.46 | Adys | Dagmar: so if i tinyurl'd a speedtest you'd basically set off false positives again |
| 04:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: the worst she could to is stop my tunnel from connecting, or break it entirely |
| 04:34.59 | Dagmar | If you did it over my home wifi |
| 04:35.06 | Shirik | what if she cracked your key? |
| 04:35.13 | Adys | maybe its just me finding this completely fucking stupid |
| 04:35.13 | Dagmar | I didnt' even bother to whitelist that |
| 04:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be.. hard |
| 04:35.32 | Shirik | maybe there's a zero-day in RSA that none of us know about |
| 04:35.35 | Dagmar | Adys: Writing tests for _known_ issues is not useful on a low-traffic network |
| 04:35.36 | cog|away | any curse.com people here? |
| 04:35.42 | Shirik | maybe she proved NP completeness |
| 04:35.59 | Dagmar | You can far more easily whitelist all the things that go on normally and then tarpit/alarm/block the rest depending on your mood. |
| 04:36.08 | Adys | okay so |
| 04:36.11 | Adys | instead of closing it down |
| 04:36.16 | Dagmar | It's the crap you've never seen before that evades blacklists and will get you into trouble |
| 04:36.32 | Dagmar | Adys: Instead of closing it down we had it set up to make it impossible to abuse |
| 04:36.32 | Adys | you go as far as logging his personal info and other shit? |
| 04:36.46 | Adys | sorry but thats fucking disgusting |
| 04:36.55 | Dagmar | No, I did that because I was grumpy about being woken up and hung over |
| 04:37.14 | Dagmar | We just wanted to do something that would make him look like a madman going into the office |
| 04:37.25 | Adys | because he took a fucking speed test |
| 04:37.54 | Dagmar | Why would you go to a speedtest site from your _car_ at the back of your office's parking lot? |
| 04:37.54 | Adys | doing "smart things" on your wifi was cool years ago, am i the only one who finds it old? |
| 04:38.08 | Dagmar | What? You think I did this last week? |
| 04:38.15 | Dagmar | Try 2002. |
| 04:38.37 | Adys | okay sorry, let me correct |
| 04:38.45 | Adys | doing "smart things" on your wifi has never been cool |
| 04:39.00 | Dagmar | Screw cool. _Fun_. |
| 04:39.08 | Adys | either you close it down because you dont want trouble or whatever, or you leave it open and filter it or anything you like |
| 04:39.21 | Adys | but just "trapping" people is 4chan behaviour taken to a geek level |
| 04:39.29 | Adys | grats on a new low. |
| 04:39.32 | Dagmar | What? Geeks? |
| 04:39.33 | Dagmar | In here? |
| 04:39.34 | Dagmar | NOWAI |
| 04:39.58 | Dagmar | People should never trust "some random internet connection" they find hanging in the air |
| 04:40.02 | Dagmar | It's dumb. |
| 04:40.06 | Adys | so? |
| 04:40.19 | Adys | its not about them trusting a random internet connection |
| 04:40.29 | Adys | its about you doing something completely out of line |
| 04:40.34 | Dagmar | Well, now a member of management at a major accounting firm knows _exactly_ why you don't trust random open network segments. |
| 04:41.00 | Adys | you know the difference between dumb and pathetic right? |
| 04:41.10 | Adys | he trusts an open wifi: thats dumb |
| 04:41.23 | Adys | you log personal data (identity theft): thats pathetic |
| 04:41.44 | Dagmar | It's not my fault he let his personal data go through unencrypted channels. |
| 04:41.52 | Dagmar | I wasn't bothering to try to log any encrypted traffic. |
| 04:41.54 | Adys | that doesnt EXCUSE you |
| 04:42.07 | Dagmar | Yes, it in fact not only excuses me, but it completely makes it legal. |
| 04:42.20 | Adys | legal doesn't make it any less pathetic |
| 04:42.43 | Dagmar | Sadly for your argument, it doesn't even touch on the subject of it's hilarity. |
| 04:43.16 | Dagmar | We specifically tainted the squid cache for CNN explicitly for this one guy, and then waited. |
| 04:43.38 | Dagmar | Clearly since he didn't use it again, he got the message |
| 04:43.54 | Adys | see when a neighbour comes to me asking for something like.. a ladder |
| 04:44.13 | Adys | i just give it to him |
| 04:44.24 | Adys | he COULD move to australia and take the ladder with him |
| 04:44.37 | Adys | but I *entrust* him not to and if I do lose a ladder, well thats too bad |
| 04:44.53 | Dagmar | Considering that there wasn't an issue until he started nosing around, I fail to see how this analogy applies |
| 04:45.18 | Adys | what do you mean nosing around, false positives arent "nosing around" |
| 04:45.23 | Dagmar | Until that point, nothing beyond very coarse information was ever logged there. |
| 04:45.53 | Dagmar | I mean _nosing_ around in that the thing did a small portscan, and then spewed a number of differing length packets in order to determine the speed of our connection. |
| 04:46.26 | Adys | I'm going to stop right there because this is way beyond fucked |
| 04:46.29 | Dagmar | Until I went through some of those coarse logs, I thought someone had actually targeted me |
| 04:46.49 | Adys | and *still* you decided to fuck with him |
| 04:46.57 | Dagmar | Of course. |
| 04:47.11 | Adys | i can understand getting pissed off at wasting 30 minutes looking for logs and other shit |
| 04:47.11 | Adys | but |
| 04:47.26 | Adys | if its not his fault, then its not his fucking fault, I don't take it on them |
| 04:47.28 | Dagmar | If I'd wanted to be malicious, there'd have been some premium german scat porn up there, or all of his AIM contacts would have gotten obscene messages from him. |
| 04:47.30 | Dagmar | Lame stuff. |
| 04:47.53 | Dagmar | Making him think his fantasy football league had just tanked large was just for giggles without actually leaving anyone psychologically scarred. |
| 04:47.54 | Adys | see ill be honest I'd be less pissed off if you redir'd him to scat porn |
| 04:48.03 | Adys | you fucking stole his AIM just because "its fun" |
| 04:48.13 | Dagmar | Dude, ALL we did was play with his head a little. I fail to see how this is even a problem. |
| 04:48.27 | Dagmar | I didn't "steal his AIM" |
| 04:48.32 | Adys | the problem is that you don't see the problem |
| 04:48.42 | Dagmar | I turned on raw packet logging for everything coming from/to his MAC |
| 04:49.06 | Dagmar | This does somewhat require a human to go through it to make sense of it. I am that human. |
| 04:49.15 | Adys | okay you didn't steal his AIM, you explicitely looked for it and found it and misused it |
| 04:49.23 | Dagmar | The number of things he was doing in plaintext on a strange connection was mebarrasing |
| 04:49.30 | Dagmar | What the hell man |
| 04:49.46 | Dagmar | Are you paying attention? Do you know what I mean when I say "raw packet dumps"? |
| 04:50.06 | Dagmar | I didn't explicitly look for anything. I had to look at ALL of it to figure out WTF was actually going on. |
| 04:50.30 | Dagmar | Trust me the first time you actually have to audit someone's internet usage, you really lose all interest in WTF other people are doing beyond just solving problems. |
| 04:50.38 | Adys | theres an order of things happening from what you said, I dont know if you're changing it at will, or bullshitting altogether |
| 04:51.04 | Dagmar | Scroll up. I can assure you I never said I explicitly looked to "steal" anyone's AIM. It just wound up in the bucket with everything else, so to speak. |
| 04:51.24 | Adys | but he sets off alarms => you look for logs => you find out its a false positive => you get pissed off and misuse personal data |
| 04:51.37 | ZorbaBeta | I don't see anything he said that he misused personal data |
| 04:51.54 | Dagmar | From the outset (once I'd figured out I wasn't being specifically targeted) our goal was to do something to show him that strange internet connections should not be trusted |
| 04:52.02 | Adys | aim |
| 04:52.02 | Adys | [07:29:47] <Dagmar> So, I went into "BoFH mode". Started logging all his packets. Got his AIM info and his ESPN fantasy sports team info etc |
| 04:52.02 | Adys | [07:30:06] <Dagmar> On "D-Day" he was greeted with news headlining on CNN that two of his best picks were no longer in the running |
| 04:52.13 | ZorbaBeta | as near as I can tell, there was a lot of "oh god all this guy's personal data is here, hey, let's post something he'll see on his squid cache, lol" |
| 04:52.18 | Dagmar | Yeah. Didn't touch his picks. |
| 04:52.21 | Dagmar | I put up *fake news* |
| 04:52.31 | ZorbaBeta | it was something that only he himself would see, it was nothing besides showing a fake website |
| 04:52.52 | Adys | its not the prank that bothers me |
| 04:53.11 | Dagmar | So... there's a pretty good chance he went into the office and the first thing out of his mouth to his coworkers was something along the lines of "Oh my god did you hear about J. Random Jockso getting murdered in a drug war??!?" |
| 04:53.43 | Adys | i give up. |
| 04:54.12 | Dagmar | If I'd picked say, a soccer star, he might not have even cared to finish reading the headline |
| 04:54.33 | Dagmar | ...but since I'd already seen his fantasy sports league picks, those names stuck out in my head and were very likely to be of interest to him |
| 04:57.18 | Arrowmaster | what its the logging of personal info that bothers you? |
| 04:58.08 | Arrowmaster | i would run wireshark(back then ethereal) on my laptop in highschool and could watch everybody else chating on aim |
| 04:58.08 | Wobin | Note, the logging of personal info on a work network in which he was using for personal browsing? |
| 04:58.26 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That probably doesn't work anymore :( |
| 04:58.30 | Shirik | switches ruined all of that fun |
| 04:58.39 | Arrowmaster | it was a wireless network |
| 04:58.41 | Arrowmaster | it works |
| 04:58.42 | Wobin | It's no longer 'personal' if you do it at work, where you're not supposed to anyway |
| 04:58.48 | Adys | this is quite different |
| 04:59.12 | Shirik | I don't think it would work on WPA |
| 04:59.14 | Shirik | yeah? |
| 04:59.19 | Arrowmaster | it would |
| 04:59.19 | Shirik | Doesn't everyone get their own key on WPA? |
| 04:59.36 | Arrowmaster | not in normal mode |
| 05:00.02 | Wobin | I thought it was a common key |
| 05:00.02 | Shirik | only heroic? |
| 05:00.14 | Wobin | It's like the kara key |
| 05:00.22 | Arrowmaster | theres wpa-shared and wpa-corp |
| 05:01.04 | Arrowmaster | or its called wpa personal and wpa enterprise |
| 05:02.00 | Arrowmaster | but i was doing it on an unencrypted network, all i needed was the windows drivers to put my wireless card in permiscious mode |
| 05:02.26 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I suspect he's never _had_ to do it before. It really does completely lose any appeal once you're being paid to do it. |
| 05:02.39 | Dagmar | People get the idea that it's exciting to look at other people's stuff |
| 05:03.05 | Arrowmaster | especially once you have to start filling out police reports and showing up to give statements in court |
| 05:03.06 | Dagmar | It's exciting at first, but goes straight to "incredibly boring" the first time you're required to do it |
| 05:03.10 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 05:04.07 | Dagmar | We once had to send out a memo reaffirming that we did in fact monitor people's email and reserved the right to read if it necessary. This is pretty standard fare but we caught a lot of flack from people convinced the security team was just sitting around picking through people's emails |
| 05:04.59 | Arrowmaster | and now you are required by law to log all emails and archive them |
| 05:05.01 | Dagmar | I had to have more than a few of them down to my office to explain to them that I'd rather stand around shoving bamboo shoots into my eyes than read other people's insanely boring emails |
| 05:05.32 | Dagmar | Showing them the 400+ emails a day I had to go through just to keep current on a few security lists also helped |
| 05:06.34 | Dagmar | The first time I had to really audit someone's interenet use, it turns out they were surfing porn for about five hours a night, every night. |
| 05:06.40 | Dagmar | FIVE HOURS. |
| 05:06.47 | Dagmar | These are things you just don't want to know about people. |
| 05:07.24 | tem | a night? |
| 05:07.34 | Dagmar | _Every_ night. |
| 05:07.36 | tem | did they work at night? |
| 05:07.39 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 05:07.41 | tem | I'm confused |
| 05:07.43 | Dagmar | Clearly. :) |
| 05:07.52 | Dagmar | They had a company-provided ISDN line to their house. |
| 05:08.00 | tem | was this their home intern-- oh |
| 05:08.03 | Dagmar | YEah. |
| 05:08.11 | Dagmar | So it still had to adhere to policy |
| 05:08.25 | Dagmar | They weren't targeted, either. |
| 05:08.41 | Arrowmaster | direct line from house to company? |
| 05:09.02 | Dagmar | Someone else in the office WAS surfing porn at work... and storing it on a public fileshare where eventually _the most innocent secretaary in the building_ stumbled upon it. |
| 05:09.28 | Arrowmaster | haha |
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| 05:10.22 | Dagmar | Yeah so this was in like 97 so I had to actually write stuff to audit the web traffic for hte entire company |
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| 05:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | erm |
| 05:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | wrong channel! |
| 05:11.34 | Arrowmaster | that reminds me of the story one of my teachers told me about when he sent some christian kid working as an onsite tech for his small IT company down to a manufacturing plant to fix something and it turned out the manufacturing plant made sex toys |
| 05:11.47 | Dagmar | Oh ho ho! |
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| 05:24.10 | Wobin | http://imgur.com/6zjNO.jpg |
| 05:26.11 | Sesshu | lol @picture |
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| 05:48.29 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | http://translationparty.com/#849677 |
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| 06:15.04 | Wobin | woah |
| 06:15.04 | Wobin | http://monotunes.tumblr.com/post/157265063/bb-japanese-giant-salamander-jpg-image |
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| 06:32.23 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 06:33.21 | zenzio | you are on your way to destruction |
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| 07:06.59 | Shirik | So I'm on a 2v2 team, ret+priest |
| 07:07.00 | Shirik | I'm the priest |
| 07:07.09 | Shirik | I just beat out the ret in damage |
| 07:07.13 | Shirik | solely through ret aura |
| 07:07.22 | Shirik | I killed a rogue faster than the ret could kill a mage |
| 07:07.34 | Sesshu | youre imba |
| 07:07.55 | nevcairiel | maybe you should combine forces on the rogue |
| 07:07.59 | nevcairiel | and its easier :P |
| 07:08.05 | Shirik | no |
| 07:08.33 | nevcairiel | or get a new partner |
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| 07:09.31 | Shirik | I hate mages |
| 07:09.34 | Shirik | they really mess me uip |
| 07:09.38 | Shirik | so we agree to kill the mage first |
| 07:09.41 | Shirik | the rogue was accidental |
| 07:10.49 | nevcairiel | mages are just annoying with all the freezing |
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| 07:11.31 | Shirik | and CS |
| 07:11.32 | Dagmar | Well, that and the screaming "Get it off me! Get it off me!" |
| 07:11.32 | Shirik | and poly |
| 07:11.43 | Shirik | freezing I can deal with |
| 07:11.45 | Shirik | CS/Poly is a problem |
| 07:19.47 | Shirik | is crusader strike like broken? |
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| 07:48.51 | Shirik | You know |
| 07:49.02 | Shirik | Can someone explain WHY ARP posioning works? |
| 07:49.14 | Shirik | Why does an OS listen to an ARP reply which it did not request? |
| 07:49.59 | Dagmar | Because at that level the cards are listening for it |
| 07:50.02 | Shirik | it shouldn't be complicated to say "I didn't request this info, I will discard it" instead of "ooh more infos I'll stick that in the ARP cache lollolol" |
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| 07:50.16 | Lukian | the system is built around not having to request arps |
| 07:50.26 | Lukian | everything on the network is meant to identify itself |
| 07:50.33 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 07:50.34 | Dagmar | Keeping track of those requests would induce overhead |
| 07:50.38 | Wobin | is employed! |
| 07:50.53 | nevcairiel | Its to safe querys, Shirik. when you got a arp reply that someone else requested, you can safe a query yourself |
| 07:50.55 | Dagmar | ...adn keep in mind, this is a protocol that's meant to be used on a network where you control all of it |
| 07:51.01 | nevcairiel | save* |
| 07:51.30 | Thunder_Child | by this point Shirik, a pair of wire cutters are your friend |
| 07:51.38 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 07:51.50 | Shirik | nevcairiel: One would expect that, if it's to someone else, it wouldn't have you as the destination |
| 07:51.50 | Wobin | make sure you put the end of the network cable into an empty bucket to catch any loose packets. |
| 07:51.56 | Dagmar | There's no security problems with DHCP that can't be fixed with the proper application of a length of lead pipe. |
| 07:52.06 | nevcairiel | Shirik: they are broadcasts |
| 07:52.23 | Dagmar | Well, they could be unicast, but it's useful for them to be broadcast |
| 07:52.24 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure there's a destination in the packet |
| 07:52.48 | Dagmar | There always is. |
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| 07:52.56 | Dagmar | It just may be FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF |
| 07:52.59 | Thunder_Child | yes, any host on this subnet |
| 07:53.00 | epssy | good morning wow ircers |
| 07:53.17 | Shirik | good morning Lukian |
| 07:53.19 | Dagmar | s/subnet/broadcast network/ |
| 07:53.31 | epssy | I'd just like to mention I'm qualified to agree with the solution to DHCP issues being lead piping! |
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| 07:53.33 | Lukian | that's my housemate |
| 07:53.33 | Thunder_Child | oh? i wasnt following |
| 07:53.40 | Dagmar | That layer doesn't know anything about subnets. |
| 07:53.40 | Shirik | oh :) |
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| 07:53.50 | Shirik | I just see (00:52:10)  -⺠Join: epssy (n=eps@203.123.90.21) (clones with: Lukian) |
| 07:53.55 | Thunder_Child | i was just spouting tandom jargon |
| 07:53.57 | epssy | haha, same IP |
| 07:53.59 | Thunder_Child | random* |
| 07:54.03 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 07:54.07 | epssy | we've been found out! |
| 07:54.09 | epssy | run for it! |
| 07:54.14 | Shirik | stabs Sesshu |
| 07:54.18 | Sesshu | xD |
| 07:54.21 | Sesshu | uhm |
| 07:54.33 | Shirik | that is my official response to CTCP/TIME |
| 07:54.37 | Dagmar | I probably *should* re-read the spec for ARP, but it's just so stupidly simple |
| 07:54.42 | Shirik | it is |
| 07:54.45 | Shirik | Like |
| 07:54.48 | epssy | so what are debating? I'm actually a qualified network engineer ... or at least I drunk a lot during university |
| 07:54.49 | Thunder_Child | i know networking Dagmar, i just wasnt following the conversation |
| 07:54.51 | Shirik | my class covered it for 20 minutes |
| 07:54.55 | Shirik | and then he was like "so that's about it |
| 07:55.00 | Dagmar | that really is |
| 07:55.16 | Sesshu | why i got the response? -.- |
| 07:55.22 | Sesshu | from your client |
| 07:55.28 | Shirik | It was spoofed |
| 07:55.41 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Shirik's been using arp cache poisoning to solve some runaway bittorent issues |
| 07:55.57 | Sesshu | uhm |
| 07:56.00 | epssy | why not just fix the bittorrent issue? |
| 07:56.01 | Shirik | I think that was directed at epssy |
| 07:56.05 | Dagmar | Seeshu: CTCP replies are just NOTICEs surrounded by ^A |
| 07:56.07 | Sesshu | Shirik: forgot the "not" |
| 07:56.07 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, ya, i started listening to it yesterday, hence my point about wire cutters |
| 07:56.18 | Shirik | epssy: Because I do not own the router, nor do I have its password |
| 07:56.22 | Sesshu | why i got no response? -.-* |
| 07:56.24 | Dagmar | You can send them to entire channels, which makes exactly no sense, but no client questions it either. |
| 07:56.25 | Sesshu | i mean |
| 07:56.32 | Shirik | and HR will get mad at me if I beat up my roommate |
| 07:56.35 | Shirik | so |
| 07:56.46 | Shirik | segregating them from the router seems like a good option |
| 07:56.57 | epssy | shirik... you could just tunnel or setup a vpn. I know I'd have your head for doing that if it was my router |
| 07:57.01 | nevcairiel | you could go with the wirecutter |
| 07:57.04 | Dagmar | Telling them to set an actual throttle rate would help |
| 07:57.09 | epssy | using insecurities to solve problems is always bad news |
| 07:57.25 | Sesshu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.26 | Sesshu | hm |
| 07:57.30 | Dagmar | epssy: yeah but the issue is it's flooding the network so hard other traffic (like WoW) is degrading |
| 07:57.32 | Shirik | tunneling won't really help |
| 07:57.37 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: HR? |
| 07:57.37 | Shirik | it's a bandwidth issue |
| 07:57.41 | Shirik | human resources |
| 07:57.46 | Arrowmaster | where are you living? |
| 07:57.56 | Shirik | A house which is technically owned by the company |
| 07:58.00 | epssy | so shape the bandwidth? |
| 07:58.08 | Shirik | epssy: Back to the "I don't own the router" |
| 07:58.08 | Dagmar | No control over router. |
| 07:58.12 | Arrowmaster | and everybody in the house works for the company? |
| 07:58.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:58.23 | epssy | you don't need a router to shape a stream |
| 07:58.23 | Arrowmaster | and the company pays for the internet connection? |
| 07:58.27 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:58.29 | nevcairiel | so who owns the router? |
| 07:58.32 | Thunder_Child | no Arrowmaster, no |
| 07:58.36 | Dagmar | I'd say just hassle them about throttling their torrents. Every client supports it |
| 07:58.39 | epssy | you pirate over a company paid for link? ... |
| 07:58.45 | Shirik | not me! |
| 07:58.50 | Shirik | someone else does >.> |
| 07:58.51 | Arrowmaster | make friends with somebody in the company that has access to the router configs |
| 07:58.51 | epssy | oh okay |
| 07:58.56 | Shirik | I play WoW over it :P |
| 07:59.19 | Arrowmaster | what kinda router is it? |
| 07:59.26 | Shirik | some POS d-link |
| 07:59.28 | Shirik | nothing amazing |
| 07:59.30 | epssy | well grab a smoothwall box or similar and dump it between yourself and the router and the torrent users |
| 07:59.35 | Arrowmaster | have you even tried the default password? |
| 07:59.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:59.57 | Arrowmaster | ok these things have this little button on the back of them labeled 'reset' |
| 08:00.02 | Shirik | And I can't reset its settings because our network.. |
| 08:00.04 | Shirik | hang on! |
| 08:00.09 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:00.16 | epssy | it'll be a generic password for all devices. you should be able to guess it or buy a slab for some one to tell you... if you're over 18 |
| 08:00.17 | Shirik | I can't reset its settings because the network requires some crazy logon that I don't know |
| 08:00.37 | Shirik | Hell, the internet connection is confusing enough as it is |
| 08:00.43 | Shirik | it's a microwave connection |
| 08:00.49 | Shirik | (which, btw, is much higher quality than I would have expected) |
| 08:01.01 | nevcairiel | just dont put your hand in front of the antenna |
| 08:01.03 | epssy | so you're making your entire subnetwork insecure because you cant work out how to shape a connection? that's pretty comical :) |
| 08:01.04 | Shirik | (except when people are flooding it with torrents) |
| 08:01.39 | Shirik | epssy: Be glad I'm not doing a MIM attack and sending him malicious stuff instead :P |
| 08:01.43 | epssy | shirik you'd be surprised at how much of your information comes to you via microwave around the place |
| 08:01.43 | Shirik | Hell, that's what Dagmar wanted me to do |
| 08:01.55 | epssy | all your mobile phone calls, all 2.4ghz wireless, etc etc |
| 08:01.57 | Arrowmaster | unplug it then call 'support' because 'its not working' |
| 08:02.01 | Shirik | Dagmar wanted me to forward his browser to tubgirl et al |
| 08:02.48 | epssy | shirik write a small page that basically says "FBI (or your local authority) has suspended this account due to piracy, prosecution is pending" |
| 08:02.52 | epssy | should solve your woes |
| 08:02.54 | Shirik | haha |
| 08:03.03 | Shirik | omg |
| 08:03.09 | Shirik | I'm so tempted to do that now |
| 08:03.14 | epssy | we did some thing similar when a lady where I work wouldn't stop buying dildos with company internt |
| 08:03.32 | zenzio | a coworker's neighbour had an open wireless router once, but he set it up somehow so that all pictures being requested through it were flipped upside down |
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| 08:03.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:03.54 | Arrowmaster | upside down ternet! |
| 08:04.00 | Shirik | outternet |
| 08:04.08 | Wobin | welcome to xkcd =) |
| 08:04.16 | zenzio | this was many years ago |
| 08:04.25 | Wobin | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 08:04.29 | epssy | zenzio: if you pass it through a squid proxy and run an image toolkit over it you can do that |
| 08:04.43 | epssy | real life xkcd is pro |
| 08:04.53 | zenzio | epssy: that's probably what he did. I didn't dig into the specifics |
| 08:04.59 | Shirik | in any case, I may just take over being the router |
| 08:05.02 | epssy | it's pretty clever |
| 08:05.03 | Shirik | I don't really consider that malicious |
| 08:05.17 | Shirik | I can do QoS, etc. |
| 08:05.21 | epssy | we just leave ours open but make it impossible to get to the internet without knowledge of the network (or nmap) |
| 08:05.25 | Shirik | without having to touch the router |
| 08:05.29 | Shirik | I just have to compete with the router for control |
| 08:05.48 | epssy | just light the router on fire |
| 08:05.59 | epssy | you'll get a new one which doesn't suck a automatic QoS |
| 08:06.45 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:06.49 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 08:06.53 | krka | nevcairiel: ping! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=11190#comments |
| 08:06.57 | Arrowmaster | purchase a wrt54gl, put tomato on it, configure QoS, put it between router and network, be happy |
| 08:07.02 | Shirik | I don't think they have much desire to pay anything more than minimum for the router |
| 08:07.18 | krka | I have a wrt54gl, it's the best thing I ever bought |
| 08:07.19 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: And how shall I get the PPPoE or whatever login settings? |
| 08:07.31 | Arrowmaster | you wont have to |
| 08:07.32 | krka | I have dd-wrt on it though, it aint pretty but it does the job |
| 08:07.53 | epssy | I remember wrt54's when they only just dd to boot |
| 08:08.00 | Arrowmaster | as long as the other router is still setup to automatically do the PPPoE crap for you |
| 08:08.08 | epssy | we tried it on ours a day or two later and it worked but then you couldn't do anything else |
| 08:08.25 | Shirik | oh |
| 08:08.33 | Shirik | you mean put a router to route the router? |
| 08:08.44 | Shirik | missed that part |
| 08:08.54 | epssy | you'd control the traffic that way, not a bad idea |
| 08:08.55 | Shirik | that seems so dirty :P |
| 08:09.01 | epssy | still my idea of setting fire to it is cheaper |
| 08:09.07 | epssy | or simply replacing it |
| 08:09.12 | Shirik | cheaper for whom :P |
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| 08:09.26 | epssy | you can grab all the PPPoE on connection |
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| 08:11.31 | Shirik | I think my solution is more fun |
| 08:12.10 | ccox | do you have physical access to the router? |
| 08:12.17 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 08:12.42 | ccox | reset button for 10 seconds will reset the settings and password |
| 08:12.47 | Shirik | omg |
| 08:12.58 | ccox | OR, my favorite -- replace it with the same model, but your settings |
| 08:13.06 | Shirik | as said before, I do not posess the knowledge to re-establish the internet connection after a reset |
| 08:13.25 | Shirik | lack of username and password |
| 08:13.30 | Wobin | true, this'll wipe the login settings if they're using ADSL or the like |
| 08:13.31 | ccox | ah, so you can't get a dump of the settiings, darn |
| 08:14.52 | Wobin | see if they've actually changed the user/pass from admin/password =) |
| 08:15.03 | Shirik | tried |
| 08:17.19 | Shirik | I don't see what's wrong with my solution |
| 08:17.34 | ccox | insert another router to shape traffic? |
| 08:17.48 | Shirik | I am protecting the quality of the connection and preventing illegal activity from occuring |
| 08:18.00 | Shirik | at the cost of those responsible no longer having a connection |
| 08:18.07 | ccox | or ratting out the bastards to the cops? |
| 08:18.16 | Shirik | no |
| 08:18.51 | Shirik | sending spoofed ARP packets to the offending client, effectively disconnecting him from the router (or any target of my choosing) |
| 08:19.08 | ccox | that works til you're caught |
| 08:19.20 | Shirik | My roommates are morons |
| 08:19.25 | Shirik | they'll think it's because macs suck |
| 08:19.35 | Shirik | (NB: The primary offender uses a mac) |
| 08:19.55 | ccox | oh, they really are morons if they think Mactintosh sucks |
| 08:20.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:20.10 | Shirik | he does have a mac and hates it |
| 08:20.20 | ccox | Unix uber alles! |
| 08:20.28 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 08:20.59 | ccox | macs are just unix systems with a pretty face, and real applications |
| 08:21.08 | ccox | oh, and support |
| 08:21.09 | Dagmar | s/real/user/; |
| 08:21.10 | Shirik | and 5 million symlinks |
| 08:21.40 | ccox | you'll find the symlink B.S. on many unix flavors |
| 08:21.46 | Shirik | I mean, it's worse than my server's broken symlink to "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" |
| 08:21.59 | Shirik | lol, one of the other users saw that and freaked out |
| 08:22.02 | Shirik | because it's flashing red |
| 08:22.07 | Shirik | and says "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" |
| 08:22.09 | Shirik | owned by root |
| 08:22.18 | Shirik | sitting on the web directory |
| 08:22.20 | ccox | lol |
| 08:22.39 | Shirik | and he couldn't figure out how to delete it |
| 08:22.47 | Shirik | the filename is a space |
| 08:22.56 | Shirik | (the name of the link) |
| 08:22.58 | ccox | I just have symlinks name "recursion", which point to one another |
| 08:23.05 | Shirik | it points to the (nonexistent) "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" |
| 08:26.01 | Dagmar | There was a time when it was considered useful to know ls -alF and -alq |
| 08:26.47 | ccox | um, yeah, don't you have aliases for those setup by default? |
| 08:28.40 | Dagmar | "users" typically don't. |
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| 08:29.03 | Dagmar | They've no idea a filename can contain an up-arrow, a linefeed, and whole fake new line |
| 08:29.09 | Arrowmaster | i think i used to have ls aliased to 'ls -hF --color=auto' on another system |
| 08:29.30 | Shirik | I have alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 08:29.31 | Shirik | :/ |
| 08:30.03 | Arrowmaster | alias ls='ls --color=auto' is a default in EVERYTHING |
| 08:30.06 | Shirik | Anyway, I think it's quite awesome: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/75a27a49d070098006748337d0bcf1cc.png |
| 08:30.12 | Shirik | yes Arrowmaster |
| 08:30.14 | Shirik | I didn't do anything |
| 08:30.44 | Shirik | oh the "nonexistenshit" is quite awesome too |
| 08:31.07 | Shirik | I found out a lot of vulnerability bots query that name first (probably to see what a 404 looks like) |
| 08:31.18 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:31.21 | Shirik | so, I put something there to trap them :) |
| 08:31.24 | Arrowmaster | why not just use fail2ban |
| 08:31.28 | Shirik | I do |
| 08:31.35 | Shirik | that and this work together |
| 08:32.06 | Arrowmaster | where is your robots.txt? |
| 08:32.10 | Shirik | screw it |
| 08:32.14 | Shirik | who cares |
| 08:32.24 | Arrowmaster | and why are your files executable? |
| 08:32.29 | Shirik | I don't even think I use this site anymore |
| 08:32.50 | Shirik | all the sites I actually use are vhosts |
| 08:33.18 | Shirik | I only really care about my server for SVN, etc. |
| 08:33.22 | Shirik | screw the web service |
| 08:34.55 | Shirik | and they're executable because they are, Arrowmaster :P |
| 08:35.08 | Shirik | I care enough about permissions to make it secure enough for its environment |
| 08:35.25 | Arrowmaster | they are writable by apache |
| 08:35.45 | Shirik | if apache writes to them, something's fubar anyway :P |
| 08:36.25 | Arrowmaster | do you remember how incgamers site kept getting hacked? |
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| 08:36.34 | Shirik | I might go back and clean up these permissions; this was an extremely long time ago I set this site up |
| 08:36.38 | Shirik | and have neglected it ever since |
| 08:37.38 | Shirik | the pages for other sites are 644 it seems |
| 08:38.02 | Shirik | and apache is not the owner |
| 08:38.38 | Shirik | is that better Arrowmaster :) |
| 08:39.13 | Wobin | =\ Is frost resist gear required for healers on 25naxx? |
| 08:39.14 | Arrowmaster | nope i already rooted your box, too late |
| 08:39.22 | Shirik | k glhf Arrowmaster |
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| 08:39.37 | Shirik | do an emerge --sync for me while you're there? |
| 08:40.51 | Shirik | In all honesty, if someone wants to get in my box, feel free. It's probably bored anyway, and there's really nothing of value on it |
| 08:41.01 | Shirik | The most action it sees is Shiibot |
| 08:41.15 | Shirik | and tem has been having fun making Shiibot want to commit suicide lately |
| 08:41.32 | Nechckn | I've heard stories of people in your box, Shirik. |
| 08:41.49 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, frost resist gear isn't required for anyone on anything |
| 08:41.57 | Nechckn | I don't believe them, but they're fun to hear. ;-) |
| 08:42.10 | Shirik | besides |
| 08:42.11 | Shirik | I run gentoo |
| 08:42.25 | nevcairiel | whats that got to do with anything? :D |
| 08:42.28 | Shirik | therefore my box is automatically too awesome to crack |
| 08:42.42 | nevcairiel | gentoo is only as awesome as its admin |
| 08:42.46 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta: I've never bothered with it (aside from if I'm tanking) on ten man as a healer |
| 08:42.47 | Shirik | nah |
| 08:42.47 | nevcairiel | so not so much |
| 08:42.51 | Shirik | it has so much awesome |
| 08:42.56 | Shirik | that it pushes out admin stupidity |
| 08:43.01 | Wobin | and really, we have awesome healers |
| 08:43.03 | krka | isn't gentoo just for people who like to spend more time optimizing their builds than actually using the machine? |
| 08:43.07 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:43.11 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, if your entire group is competent but just barely sufficiently geared, it can help |
| 08:43.16 | ZorbaBeta | it's not necessary in any other situation though |
| 08:43.18 | krka | and possibly measure the performance for bragging rights |
| 08:43.20 | Wobin | ah, no problems then =) |
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| 08:43.33 | Shirik | hey hey |
| 08:43.36 | Shirik | li23-154 htdocs # uptime |
| 08:43.36 | Shirik | 04:43:25 up 150 days, 23:17, 3 users, load average: 5.35, 2.84, 1.42 |
| 08:43.38 | Shirik | tyvm |
| 08:43.48 | krka | ZorbaBeta: wtb quicker objective deletion when something is completed |
| 08:43.49 | nevcairiel | wtf are you doing on the box with a load of 5? |
| 08:43.52 | Nechckn | krka lol, don't reveal the truth, you will be burned at the stake! |
| 08:44.03 | ZorbaBeta | krka, yeah, I know. just haven't gotten around to it. there's an irritating race condition |
| 08:44.05 | Shirik | I don't know I've never seen it that high |
| 08:44.15 | Shirik | I am compiling some updates right now though |
| 08:44.20 | Shirik | so maybe that's why |
| 08:44.20 | krka | it's a single threaded app! :P |
| 08:44.43 | krka | ZorbaBeta: also, a manual ignore button for quests would be nice |
| 08:44.54 | krka | such as the Nesingwary quest for 60 animals killed |
| 08:45.03 | krka | it's naturally done by doing other quests, so i dont want to track it |
| 08:45.09 | ZorbaBeta | that doesn't mean the WoW client necessarily keeps its data consistent :P |
| 08:45.11 | krka | especially when it's set at top priority :/ |
| 08:45.17 | ZorbaBeta | you can right-click the objective on the map and tell it to ignore |
| 08:45.20 | krka | ah |
| 08:45.24 | krka | but not on the quest listing? |
| 08:45.33 | ZorbaBeta | if you ignore the "kill animals" objective, but not the "turn in quest" objective, it'll even pop up the turnin once you can turn it in |
| 08:45.43 | krka | ah nice |
| 08:45.44 | ZorbaBeta | no, sadly. I want to rig up a better unified interface for that |
| 08:45.46 | ZorbaBeta | I haven't, though |
| 08:45.49 | ZorbaBeta | time. |
| 08:45.58 | krka | also, please get rid of the fading stuff in the menu :P |
| 08:46.20 | krka | other than that, i can't live without QH :P |
| 08:46.35 | nevcairiel | thats kinda sad for you, krka |
| 08:46.35 | krka | might be nice to show arrows for like the top 3 quests though |
| 08:46.38 | ZorbaBeta | really, the entire UI needs a careful going-over |
| 08:46.45 | Shirik | screw careful |
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| 08:46.46 | ZorbaBeta | but that takes a lot of time and is work I'm not hugely excited by |
| 08:46.48 | Shirik | just nuke it |
| 08:46.50 | krka | nevcairiel: yes, i get addicted easily :( |
| 08:46.55 | krka | nevcairiel: saw my bartender4 post? |
| 08:47.04 | nevcairiel | yeah, works fine for me :D |
| 08:47.10 | krka | yeah, it's weird |
| 08:47.17 | nevcairiel | you are using 4.4.0, right? |
| 08:47.22 | krka | when i switch spec, i get a horizontal bar near the bottom |
| 08:47.38 | krka | looks like it's the top part of the MainMenuBar |
| 08:47.59 | nevcairiel | as of 4.4.0 it should just unregister the event that causes it |
| 08:48.09 | krka | hmm, 4.3.3 actually |
| 08:48.15 | krka | my bad |
| 08:48.53 | Wobin | yeah, I got that with an older version |
| 08:49.29 | krka | just /ignore me from now on :/ |
| 08:49.59 | Shirik | hmm |
| 08:50.05 | Shirik | ok pop quiz linux gurus |
| 08:50.12 | Wobin | Shoot the hostage |
| 08:50.14 | Shirik | apparently I'm logged in somewhere with "Idle: 24 days" |
| 08:50.20 | Shirik | how to kill |
| 08:50.30 | nevcairiel | kill what? |
| 08:50.34 | Wobin | stands by his original statement =P |
| 08:50.38 | Shirik | force logoff or something |
| 08:50.39 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 08:50.49 | nevcairiel | just kill its shell |
| 08:50.53 | krka | find the process and kill it? |
| 08:51.15 | Shirik | it says... /bin/login ? |
| 08:51.46 | Shirik | li23-154 htdocs # ps -le | grep login |
| 08:51.46 | Shirik | 4 S 0 13464 1 0 76 0 - 652 wait tty1 00:00:00 login |
| 08:51.48 | Shirik | kill that? |
| 08:51.55 | krka | sure why not :) |
| 08:52.04 | Arrowmaster | where does it say 'idle: 24 days'? |
| 08:52.09 | Shirik | in w |
| 08:52.12 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 08:52.21 | Arrowmaster | what does it say under TTY |
| 08:52.22 | Shirik | mpdelbuo tty1 18Jun09 24days 0.01s 0.00s /bin/login -- |
| 08:52.41 | nevcairiel | tty1? isnt that a local login? |
| 08:52.44 | krka | seems like a ctrl-alt-f1 login or something |
| 08:52.56 | Arrowmaster | yes tty1 is alt-f1 |
| 08:53.06 | Shirik | I guess it could be a local login, though I don't remember the last time I did that |
| 08:53.13 | nevcairiel | 24 days ago :P |
| 08:53.17 | Shirik | apparently |
| 08:53.19 | Arrowmaster | what does it say in w under TTY |
| 08:53.30 | Shirik | ^ |
| 08:53.46 | Shirik | well it doesn't anymore |
| 08:53.49 | Shirik | I killed login |
| 08:54.58 | Shirik | isn't GCC supposed to be good at multiprocessor compiling? |
| 08:55.13 | Shirik | it only seems to take up one core |
| 08:55.28 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, run multiple copies in parallel :P |
| 08:55.49 | nevcairiel | pass some smart flags to make, and it'll take care of it |
| 08:56.03 | ZorbaBeta | -j3 for three processes |
| 08:56.04 | Shirik | it's using -j5 |
| 08:56.18 | ZorbaBeta | well, there ya go. five gcc's running, if your makefile is well-built |
| 08:56.25 | Shirik | not my makefile :P |
| 08:56.32 | ZorbaBeta | if the makefile you are using is well-built ;) |
| 08:56.36 | Shirik | makefile of subversion |
| 08:56.45 | nevcairiel | might as well be a fail makefile that doesnt like parallel building |
| 09:01.08 | Shirik | anyway nevcairiel |
| 09:01.09 | Shirik | 05:00:59 up 150 days, 23:34, 1 user, load average: 0.62, 1.31, 1.67 |
| 09:01.14 | Shirik | Is that better loads for you? :) |
| 09:01.41 | Shirik | hugs Shiibot |
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| 09:17.41 | epssy | failing at make files is pretty sad. I have a make file that builds a operating system at the moment and it's super simple :D |
| 09:18.07 | epssy | well excluding some assembly commands which I stole ^_^ |
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| 09:38.10 | Wobin | epssy: makefiles are of the devil |
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| 09:40.12 | epssy | only when they don't work for totally crazy reasons! |
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| 09:47.28 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
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| 09:51.52 | Cruciformer | god there is nothing more satisfying than when months of hard coding, new language learning and general hackery finally pays off and shit just works. |
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| 09:55.39 | krka | is there any bag addon that organizes based on type? |
| 09:55.51 | krka | i.e. sort all gear in one place, all quest items in another, gray in another, et.c. |
| 09:56.28 | Cruciformer | I think one of either baggins or bagnon do but I am not 100% sure. I seem to recall one of them did. |
| 09:56.48 | nevcairiel | baggins does that |
| 09:56.57 | krka | ah cool |
| 09:57.03 | krka | i tried Ark now, but that doesn't seem to do it |
| 09:57.56 | Cruciformer | tbh so far the bag mod I've used the most has been onebag except for the last few months where Ive been using bagnon, coz onebag has been slow to update |
| 09:58.15 | Cruciformer | its totally unfair ckknight tries to have a life :) |
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| 10:00.52 | Codayus | krka: I know both baggins and ArkInventory does that. I've tried both, but prefer ArkInventory. |
| 10:02.36 | krka | i am trying AI right now |
| 10:02.41 | krka | how do i use ut? |
| 10:02.43 | krka | *it |
| 10:03.44 | Codayus | *shrug* Make rules, observe results? :-) As I recall, the interface is fairly unintuitive at first, but its got good documentation. |
| 10:04.03 | krka | i see |
| 10:04.05 | krka | i'll try a rule |
| 10:06.11 | Codayus | IIRC, AI has a bunch of "bars", which are basical bag sections. You can assign categories to bars, which should do most of what you want. If that's not fine grained enough, or you don't like the categories you can either manually shift items to a custom category, or create a rule. |
| 10:06.51 | krka | aha... bars looks good |
| 10:06.59 | krka | i probably wont have to worry about rules then |
| 10:06.59 | krka | thanks! |
| 10:08.32 | Codayus | The only rules I can recall using are for gear sets - I have a rule for my healing set and another for my DPS set, with both assigned to different bars. I might use more, but I haven't tweaked AI settings in months. :-) |
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| 10:15.32 | krka | ah nice, sounds useful |
| 10:15.38 | krka | i could connect it to Quip perhaps |
| 10:15.54 | krka | how does the priorities work? |
| 10:16.01 | krka | higher number of bars steal first? |
| 10:20.59 | krka | Codayus: would you mind pasting the rules for sets? |
| 10:23.27 | Codayus | Oh, hmm. |
| 10:24.10 | Codayus | http://code.google.com/p/arkinventory/wiki/ExampleRules |
| 10:25.11 | Codayus | But basically outfit( NAME ). Works for Outfitter, ItemRack, the Blizzard equip manager, maybe others. |
| 10:25.24 | krka | ah, that easy eh |
| 10:25.25 | krka | nice |
| 10:25.41 | krka | i like ark, i must say |
| 10:25.44 | krka | just need to learn it :) |
| 10:32.58 | krka | awesome Codayus works like a charm now! |
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| 10:50.04 | wsoul | Wobin: we did toc hc 4 man |
| 10:50.15 | wsoul | with a pug even |
| 10:50.27 | wsoul | For the very first time I enjoy playing with pug |
| 10:50.33 | wsoul | i knew the healer only :X |
| 10:50.57 | wsoul | the dps got dc and never came back, got the shoulder for dps :D |
| 10:51.04 | Cruciformer | is something like frame:GetFontString():Settext ("Some text") legal syntax? |
| 10:51.19 | Cruciformer | s/Settext/SetText/ |
| 10:51.57 | Cruciformer | or do I have to do local foo = frame:GetFontString(); foo:SetText ("Something")? |
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| 10:55.32 | krka | hmm... i suspect Shadowed unitframes is hiding the default player buff list, any way to get it back, or a suitable replacement? |
| 10:56.25 | nevcairiel | i hate UFs that hide the buffs |
| 10:56.28 | Elkano | EBB ;) |
| 10:56.28 | nevcairiel | its like, not even related |
| 10:56.56 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: sorry to bother can u read up a few lines and see my q? I figure you'd know :) |
| 10:57.06 | Elkano | nevcairiel, depends... if they provide their own display you could see it as related but they should bring an option to disable that behaviour |
| 10:57.25 | krka | basically i want the condenced version in my unit frame (what buffs can i apply / debuffs can i remove) but the full for myself, in larger size, and elsewhere |
| 10:57.26 | nevcairiel | who uses the buff display on the player frame? thats just silly =P |
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| 10:58.07 | nevcairiel | Cruciformer: thats valid syntax, why wouldnt it be ? :) |
| 10:58.16 | krka | Elkano: looks cool, but i think i want it sort of like blizzards default |
| 10:58.20 | krka | i.e. just icons + cooldown text |
| 10:58.25 | Cruciformer | krka: I personally use ctbuffmod for the full display and let xperl do whatever it does with the little buffs under the RF. |
| 10:58.39 | Elkano | hmm... EBB3 (soon[TM]) |
| 10:58.50 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: Just checking ... better to be safe than sorry :) |
| 11:00.20 | krka | Elkano: would be cool if your countdown could use the circular style like in the default action buttons :) |
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| 11:00.56 | Elkano | well, planned for v3 |
| 11:01.12 | Elkano | (so muched planned, so little done :/ ) |
| 11:01.30 | Elkano | muched? ZOMG... *punches his brain* |
| 11:01.41 | krka | heh |
| 11:02.48 | nevcairiel | so i was planning on ordering some chinese food for lunch, but they dont pick up the phone .. i would say there loss for my money, but i want teh food! |
| 11:03.35 | Elkano | try a different one |
| 11:03.53 | nevcairiel | we only have one china-food delivery here =( |
| 11:04.00 | nevcairiel | small town |
| 11:04.03 | Cruciformer | mmm I could seriously go for some gang pung chicken with fried noodles right now |
| 11:04.12 | Elkano | (call two, place your order to the first and have him repeate to the second ;) ) |
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| 11:12.44 | Wimpsy` | Is there a way to get an objects health? Such as the walls of Wintergrasp? |
| 11:13.14 | Wimpsy` | Default UI shows their health in their tooltips, so it should be possible through API? |
| 11:14.15 | Cruciformer | I am guessing if it has a unitid you can simply use UnitHealth() / UnitHealthMax() |
| 11:14.35 | sylvanaar | mouseover /shrug |
| 11:15.40 | Wimpsy` | UnitHealth("mouseover") does not work sylvanaar. |
| 11:15.48 | sylvanaar | then its not a unit |
| 11:15.59 | Wimpsy` | Cruciformer, /run print(GameTooltip:GetUnit()) returns no values. |
| 11:16.13 | Wimpsy` | So I know it's not a unit, I asked if it was possible to get the health of an object. |
| 11:16.22 | sylvanaar | which makes sense since -its not targetable and has no name |
| 11:16.52 | Cruciformer | Guess you could always scan the tooltip |
| 11:18.34 | Wimpsy` | Is there any GameTooltip /run that I can use to read the healthbar values when scanning the tooltip? |
| 11:19.43 | Arrowmaster | GameTooltipStatusBar:GetValue() |
| 11:21.18 | Wimpsy` | Cheers. |
| 11:22.38 | Wimpsy` | Pfft, Returns 1. :p |
| 11:24.17 | Wimpsy` | Ah, nevermind. |
| 11:24.19 | Wimpsy` | 1 = 100%. |
| 11:24.48 | Wimpsy` | Is it possible to find what gives the value to GameTooltipStatusBar? |
| 11:25.05 | Cruciformer | I'd look in the FrameXML code |
| 11:25.10 | Wimpsy` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.26 | Arrowmaster | the game engine does |
| 11:25.50 | Arrowmaster | its not set anywhere in the framexml |
| 11:25.56 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 11:26.27 | Wimpsy` | Ah, alright. |
| 11:26.44 | Arrowmaster | there used to be an addon for checking if hunters were using FD by using the tooltip statusbar value |
| 11:26.55 | Arrowmaster | back in 1.x |
| 11:27.52 | Arrowmaster | which was funny because UnitHealth would return 1 |
| 11:31.50 | Arrowmaster | i swear whoever does the casting for the different stargate series likes to have fun reusing the same actors |
| 11:32.04 | Wimpsy` | Yep. |
| 11:32.55 | Cruciformer | who is returning to SGU? |
| 11:33.31 | Arrowmaster | the actress that played the frozen anchient in season 6 of sg1 and was later shown in a flashback or hollowgram in the first epsoide of atlantis is in one epsoide of SGU |
| 11:34.03 | Arrowmaster | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0336125/ |
| 11:34.12 | Wimpsy` | Err, how do you read the first line in the tooltip? |
| 11:34.42 | Arrowmaster | GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() |
| 11:34.55 | Wimpsy` | cheers. |
| 11:36.15 | Cruciformer | grr I hate this. I figured out all teh co-ords I needed for SetTexCoord a few months back and how to calculate them has now fallen off my stack |
| 11:39.06 | Wimpsy` | Think zork released some image or something witht he calculations. |
| 11:39.34 | Cruciformer | I just remembered how, I needed to know the actual width of the raw textue, now it makes sense |
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| 11:50.15 | Arrowmaster | wow ive already watched 25 sg1 dvds |
| 11:52.35 | Arrowmaster | i hate how after an epsoide you have to press next chapter before its completely over or it will goto a screen like your at the end of the disc, the same exact screen you get when you press next chapter on the last episode, it seems more than once now ive missed one on a disc because of that |
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| 11:59.57 | tlund | Arrowmaster: thats why you watch the .avi files instead of the physical dvd:s ;) |
| 12:00.07 | epssy | ^^ |
| 12:00.14 | Arrowmaster | i would never watch avi files |
| 12:00.22 | Arrowmaster | i would rip them to mkv |
| 12:00.43 | epssy | <tlund> Arrowmaster: thats why you watch the various-file-format-you-prefer files instead of the physical dvd:s ;) |
| 12:01.33 | nevcairiel | if those are "only" dvds, you can as well use avi .. not much difference :P |
| 12:01.35 | tlund | Arrowmaster: actually, i prefer .mkv with H.264 aswell. :) |
| 12:01.36 | tlund | [13:11] #WoWUIDev-commits <Repo> postal: Xinhuan * r254 Modules/BlackBook.lua: |
| 12:01.36 | tlund | [13:11] #WoWUIDev-commits <Repo> Fix name auto-completion in BlackBook module. Now works with Blizzard's one and still retains previous behavior. |
| 12:01.41 | tlund | Xinhuan: yay! |
| 12:01.45 | tlund | Xinhuan: thanks :) |
| 12:02.10 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: get much better compression using h264 though |
| 12:02.33 | Arrowmaster | and come on its common knowledge that xvid fucks with black levels |
| 12:02.46 | krka | racism! |
| 12:03.22 | nevcairiel | you can store h264 in mkv as well |
| 12:03.26 | nevcairiel | just that noone does it :D |
| 12:03.28 | nevcairiel | er |
| 12:03.30 | nevcairiel | in avi as well* |
| 12:03.39 | Arrowmaster | because theres a damn good reason nobody sane does it |
| 12:03.40 | krka | yeah i was gonna respond there first |
| 12:03.48 | krka | mkv is a nice container though :) |
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| 12:04.19 | nevcairiel | did they release sg1 on Bluray yet? |
| 12:04.28 | nevcairiel | i bet there are 720p tv rips |
| 12:04.31 | Arrowmaster | doubt it |
| 12:04.40 | Arrowmaster | there are not |
| 12:04.49 | Arrowmaster | it was not filmed in 720p afaik |
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| 12:05.11 | krka | isn't it filmed in analogue? |
| 12:05.25 | nevcairiel | the professional cameras produce a quality high enough for 1080p |
| 12:05.31 | nevcairiel | and have for the last 20 years |
| 12:05.33 | nevcairiel | or even longer |
| 12:05.35 | krka | should be possible to rip the analogue master tapes to 720p |
| 12:05.52 | nevcairiel | you can get movies from the 70' on bluray now |
| 12:06.20 | Elkano | digitaly remastered and improved!!1!1!twelf |
| 12:06.23 | krka | i rarely think it's worth 720p or more for old stuff |
| 12:06.48 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 12:06.50 | krka | all the other stuff sucks anyway, so increasing the pixel count doesn't do much :P |
| 12:07.04 | Arrowmaster | and i swear theres interlacing artifacts on these dvds |
| 12:07.20 | nevcairiel | at least season 8-10 i can get in 720p right away for SG-1 .. of course thats tv-rips which might have a random banner-ad in them sometimes |
| 12:08.08 | Elkano | talking about tv rips, I just finished Prison Break |
| 12:08.15 | Arrowmaster | sometimes the tv stations like to have fun upscaling SD content to "HD!" |
| 12:08.30 | krka | i gave up on prison break a long time ago :/ |
| 12:08.41 | nevcairiel | the last season wasnt too bad |
| 12:09.10 | krka | 1 was ok, 2 was bad. i gave up after 3 |
| 12:09.35 | Elkano | nevcairiel, I always ondered: if they are able to access it, why not simply copy it? |
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| 12:10.52 | Arrowmaster | i dont even know what you are talking about now |
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| 12:11.54 | nevcairiel | Elkano: that thing might have protections or whatnot .. it wasnt just a hdd :P |
| 12:12.20 | Elkano | well, I ment the company itself |
| 12:12.51 | Elkano | gut yeah, it was a bit too much electronic for just holding data |
| 12:12.51 | nevcairiel | security i guess, if you lock it in a big safe like that .. |
| 12:13.53 | zenzio | it's Monday, where's peppy :-( |
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| 12:29.14 | Wobin | do you need +hit for MC on Razuvious? |
| 12:29.17 | Wobin | (25) |
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| 12:34.11 | phyber | i hope so. most of the fun in 40 man raz was running out when the first MC would fail. <3 |
| 12:35.54 | jaxdahl | Wobin, not much. 6% -- don't forget to turn off shadow resist aura |
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| 12:43.46 | zenzio | runs off with Lopeppeppy |
| 12:43.53 | zenzio | peppy! |
| 12:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | Heya! Happy anti-vacation! |
| 12:44.21 | zenzio | pfft... I finally got back home and then had to wait a whole nother week to talk to you :( |
| 12:44.46 | Lopeppeppy | Camping and a new cat takes a lot of a girl's time! |
| 12:45.05 | zenzio | you had four weeks to do that! |
| 12:45.09 | zenzio | but you're here now, I forgive you |
| 12:45.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, zenzio, thank you! *sniff* |
| 12:49.05 | amro | is there a way to reinstall windows bootloader without reinstalling windows? |
| 12:49.13 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 12:49.20 | nevcairiel | boot from a cd, and use the recovery console |
| 12:49.32 | amro | fixmbr is the command? |
| 12:49.40 | nevcairiel | depends which version |
| 12:49.44 | amro | XP |
| 12:49.51 | nevcairiel | then fixmbr or fixboot should work |
| 12:50.03 | amro | alright, thanks, gonna give it a shot |
| 12:50.15 | amro | I screwed up my grub install |
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| 12:55.07 | haste | amro: you want to fix your grub after installing windwos afterwards? |
| 12:58.21 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:58.35 | Fisker | stop being so haste |
| 12:59.19 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 12:59.23 | bluspacecow | wot bout me > |
| 12:59.25 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 13:04.57 | Fisker | you're not haste |
| 13:05.45 | foxlit | grr, PA |
| 13:06.20 | foxlit | Now they push RSS entries before the comics are live :/ |
| 13:06.30 | bluspacecow | PA is ?? |
| 13:07.44 | haste | pennny arcade |
| 13:07.59 | bluspacecow | ah |
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| 13:11.12 | Fisker | ~seen tekkub |
| 13:11.14 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 58m 44s ago, saying: 'maybe they never fixed it'. |
| 13:12.30 | foxlit | Did they fix [flyable] and dalaran/WG? |
| 13:13.20 | Fisker | idkmybffjill |
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| 13:21.03 | Wobin | foxlit: I hate that |
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| 13:32.11 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUdXhhDDnaY |
| 13:32.13 | Wobin | O.O |
| 13:32.37 | bluspacecow_ | foxlit did you find that bit about flyable in the official forjms ? |
| 13:32.42 | foxlit | no |
| 13:32.48 | bluspacecow_ | i got d/ce :( |
| 13:33.07 | bluspacecow_ | kk |
| 13:33.54 | bluspacecow_ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031134556&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 13:34.02 | bluspacecow_ | post # 46 by Gello |
| 13:36.31 | Lopeppeppy | Gello is awesome. |
| 13:37.23 | bluspacecow_ | blah need to log to fix the username brb |
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| 14:00.59 | p3lim | does zariel use irc? |
| 14:00.59 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen zariel |
| 14:01.00 | purl | zariel <n=chris@philbannister.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 23d 22h 8m 42s ago, saying: 'I dont want to use ace3 which will tripple the size of the addon'. |
| 14:02.55 | Kraps | the snahzberrys taste like snahzberrys! |
| 14:04.50 | Lopeppeppy | Go lick some other wall.... |
| 14:05.03 | Kraps | :D |
| 14:07.25 | Kraps | holy pallys got buffed |
| 14:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | ... where? Where? |
| 14:08.06 | Kraps | reading the patch notes |
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| 14:09.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, right, the patch I missed while I was gone. I have to download that tonight. |
| 14:10.31 | Kraps | i like reading them on wowhead because of the links |
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| 14:31.06 | bluspacecow | oh god i cant stop laughing |
| 14:31.16 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.31 | bluspacecow | ^^^ drunk goblins with bavarian music for brewfest |
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| 14:35.59 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo |
| 14:37.28 | bluspacecow | Lopepepepy are thouest in game ? |
| 14:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | I am not, bluspacecow, as I lost my authenticator when I moved. |
| 14:39.58 | bluspacecow | oh dear |
| 14:40.01 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 14:40.15 | bluspacecow | im extracting the new sounds for a /script playsoundfile file right |
| 14:40.18 | bluspacecow | this one here |
| 14:40.20 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.27 | bluspacecow | is of drunk dwarves |
| 14:40.34 | bluspacecow | and theres some for drunk goblins |
| 14:40.40 | bluspacecow | with bavarian music |
| 14:40.43 | bluspacecow | hilarous :D |
| 14:40.45 | krka | My authenticator is a hard to guess password. Seems better, since I rarely misplace my head |
| 14:41.26 | sacarasc | krka's password is P455W0RD! |
| 14:41.40 | nevcairiel | Just get a mobile authenticator, if you lose your phone, you can call it to track it down :P |
| 14:41.45 | ckknight__ | misplaces krka's head |
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| 14:42.09 | nevcairiel | i guess i misplace my head more often then my phone :/ |
| 14:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, I don't have internets on my blackberry, can't do mobile authentication. |
| 14:42.54 | nevcairiel | an blackberry without internet? |
| 14:42.58 | nevcairiel | does that even make sense? |
| 14:42.59 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 14:43.12 | krka | that's like a blueberry without pie! |
| 14:43.26 | krka | i wonder how Kalroth will interpret that |
| 14:43.27 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, I wasn't using the internet features, why pay for them? |
| 14:43.37 | Kalroth | mmm, pie |
| 14:43.46 | Kalroth | is the pie properly ... indented?! |
| 14:43.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a tech geek, but when I'm AFK, I am AFK. |
| 14:43.57 | nevcairiel | isnt a blackberry designed as your personal communicator, with mail reading and all? |
| 14:45.57 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i just wouldnt get a smartphone without any internet access |
| 14:45.57 | Zhinjio | If anyone is around who can do so, can you please push Broker_AllXP through the queue. Please and thank you. |
| 14:45.58 | Lopeppeppy | It was that, when I was a contractor and needed to be able to fix things on the fly. But when I went full-time-regular, I only do work at work now. |
| 14:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | So I dropped it back to being just a phone. |
| 14:46.58 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/08/man_blames_cat_for_downloading.php |
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| 14:47.23 | Zhinjio | mikma: yeah! I saw that the other day. hilarious |
| 14:47.40 | krka | Lisa, I want to buy your cat |
| 14:47.47 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/08/not_surprised_bacon_flavored_r.php |
| 14:48.05 | krka | if you can't see what i did there, you fail at simpsons |
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| 14:51.47 | olafski | hahaha |
| 14:51.51 | olafski | that's genius mikma |
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| 15:07.35 | jnwhiteh | whats an example of something we have to do tooltip scanning for? |
| 15:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | Item level? |
| 15:07.55 | jnwhiteh | no, we have API for that |
| 15:08.09 | nevcairiel | we had the api ebfore it was in the tooltips, even :P |
| 15:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno... |
| 15:08.19 | Seerah | jnwhiteh: item bonuses (amount of stam, etc) |
| 15:08.19 | nevcairiel | item stats? |
| 15:08.21 | jnwhiteh | soulbound state |
| 15:08.26 | Elkano | shaman weapon enchants |
| 15:08.39 | jnwhiteh | item stats are the worst possible scan |
| 15:08.45 | Seerah | enchant? |
| 15:08.53 | jnwhiteh | i'll do soulbound state |
| 15:08.57 | Elkano | rockbiter and stuff |
| 15:09.07 | nicoli_s | what are yall tooltip scanning for? |
| 15:09.13 | Seerah | Elkano: I know what you meant - I was asking about reg. enchants ;) |
| 15:09.26 | Elkano | ah, regulars can be done via the id |
| 15:09.26 | Seerah | for the book, I assume |
| 15:09.27 | jnwhiteh | no reg enchants are in the item string |
| 15:09.31 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 15:09.43 | jnwhiteh | i'll just have it count your boe items |
| 15:09.48 | jnwhiteh | or somefin |
| 15:10.47 | Seerah | jnwhiteh: better idea - you could have it change the border color of the tooltip if soulbound |
| 15:10.51 | nevcairiel | isnt the type of binding in the iteminfo, just if its already bound (in the boe case), is not? |
| 15:11.01 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: dunno |
| 15:11.28 | jnwhiteh | name, link, quality, iLevel, reqLevel, class, subclass, maxStack, equipSlot, texture, vendorPrice |
| 15:11.51 | nevcairiel | maybe not |
| 15:11.55 | jnwhiteh | Seerah: yeah that might be nice |
| 15:12.07 | jnwhiteh | what color should bound be |
| 15:12.10 | Seerah | something people may get use out of after they make it |
| 15:12.10 | jnwhiteh | versus not |
| 15:12.11 | Seerah | ummmmm |
| 15:12.26 | Seerah | green if not (saying it can be sold/traded) and ..... |
| 15:12.33 | Seerah | red? blue? |
| 15:15.27 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: A big one used to be class |
| 15:15.34 | Shirik | but... |
| 15:15.41 | jnwhiteh | what type of class? |
| 15:15.45 | jnwhiteh | oh, which classes can equip it |
| 15:15.47 | Shirik | class restrictions |
| 15:15.47 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:15.59 | jnwhiteh | i need something that's more useful to lower level chars |
| 15:16.06 | jnwhiteh | i think soulbound/account bound will be the easiest |
| 15:16.12 | Shirik | yeah that too |
| 15:16.13 | jnwhiteh | just gotta decide how to display it |
| 15:16.55 | Shirik | rainbow colors |
| 15:17.23 | jnwhiteh | black for soulbound items mebbe |
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| 15:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | Red/green in tooltips for anything other than mobs might get confusing. |
| 15:17.57 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: would be the border |
| 15:18.10 | jnwhiteh | well green is confusing against item quality |
| 15:18.14 | jnwhiteh | that's why i want to get away from that |
| 15:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 15:18.16 | Seerah | true |
| 15:18.33 | Seerah | was thinking "green means go!" |
| 15:19.13 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 15:19.22 | Seerah | how about yellow? |
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| 15:19.37 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, yellow is only mob color, that might work. |
| 15:20.31 | Shirik | red/green is christmas |
| 15:20.46 | Seerah | stop/go :P |
| 15:20.58 | Shirik | is like the traffic on christmas |
| 15:21.11 | Seerah | ~tickle Shirik |
| 15:21.12 | purl | ACTION jumps on Shirik, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 15:21.15 | Shirik | >< |
| 15:22.08 | |Jelly| | tackles Shirik! |
| 15:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | adores Shirik. |
| 15:28.47 | Shirik | ok time for work |
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| 15:58.34 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:00.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa! *huggle* |
| 16:00.40 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | How's yer Monday? |
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| 16:04.38 | Shadowed | krka It's that option specifically labeled "Hide Blizzard Frames" you see when you type /suf :p |
| 16:04.38 | Lunessa | It's a Monday. With all that entails. |
| 16:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is a Monday after a week's vacation, with all it entails. |
| 16:05.03 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Been trying out SUF this weekend. It's handy, but there's a few behaviors that made me boggle. |
| 16:05.09 | Shadowed | hrm? |
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| 16:05.25 | Lunessa | When I target any NPC for the first time the health bar is empty. |
| 16:05.38 | Shadowed | thats not a behavior, thats a bug :p |
| 16:05.43 | Lunessa | The texts show the correct values, but the bar texture is empty |
| 16:05.51 | Lunessa | I was being polite. :P |
| 16:06.19 | Shadowed | what texture are you using? |
| 16:06.31 | Lunessa | Smooth V2 - I have Shared Media installed. |
| 16:06.32 | Shadowed | haven't had any issues, and something like that would have been reported rather quickly |
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| 16:06.51 | Shadowed | mm |
| 16:07.01 | Shadowed | latest SM on what site? |
| 16:07.08 | Lunessa | WoWI. |
| 16:07.13 | Shadowed | kk |
| 16:07.19 | Lunessa | NM... SM from Curse. |
| 16:07.22 | Lunessa | SUF from WoWI |
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| 16:09.01 | Shadowed | will look at it in a second when I finish calling the LHC author stupid |
| 16:09.21 | Lunessa | Shadowed: It also happens for party members occasionally too. |
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| 16:27.21 | robotusch | :3 |
| 16:27.28 | robotusch | So I just blocked Fisker on msn |
| 16:27.44 | nevcairiel | good |
| 16:27.54 | Lunessa | http://www.pvponline.com/2009/08/07/hughes-loss/ |
| 16:28.12 | robotusch | he decided to type out venomhide baby tooth x3 with one single letter pr line |
| 16:28.15 | robotusch | xD |
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| 16:28.52 | Lunessa | Alas, poor Fisker no one loves him. |
| 16:31.17 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/621/ |
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| 16:42.14 | malreth | oooookaaaaaaay |
| 16:42.19 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi. |
| 16:42.55 | malreth | i get a repair request for one of my laptops from a student... saying that the laptop goes to sleep... and then after they wake it up... sometime later... it goes back to sleep... |
| 16:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | Um, they *do* that. |
| 16:43.13 | Shadowed | Lunessa http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/sharedmedia.aspx right |
| 16:43.24 | malreth | my eyebrow is twitching right now |
| 16:43.30 | malreth | twitch eyebrow |
| 16:43.31 | malreth | see |
| 16:43.36 | Lunessa | Shadowed - yes. |
| 16:43.46 | zenzelezz | malreth: power saving? |
| 16:43.55 | malreth | zenzelezz: yes |
| 16:44.07 | zenzelezz | turn it off, charge $200 |
| 16:44.17 | malreth | and the funny thing i realize now... is this morning... i'm spending time *replicating* the problem |
| 16:44.22 | Lunessa | Call it "Earth Friendly" |
| 16:44.54 | malreth | "oh hey... it went to sleep JUST LIKE HOW I FREAKING SET IT UP TO!!!" |
| 16:45.05 | malreth | i need more coffee |
| 16:45.51 | Lunessa | uploads caffeine. |
| 16:45.56 | Shadowed | Lunessa are you on Windows, and are you using fountain or something else that forces LSM to use a texture? |
| 16:46.51 | Lunessa | Shadowed: I also have the the Smooth Bar and a few other SUF plug-ins. And I'm on Windows, but only using LSM. No fontain. |
| 16:47.10 | Lunessa | I'm using Chatter for chat and all my fonts are from LSM |
| 16:47.58 | Lunessa | I also have kgPanels installed, but no panels attached to unit frames. |
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| 16:49.37 | Shadowed | smooth bars probably broken |
| 16:49.42 | Shadowed | glares at Antiarc |
| 16:49.54 | Adys | Anyone on windows got chrome 3? |
| 16:49.55 | Shadowed | actuall it's not |
| 16:49.58 | Shadowed | unglares Antiarc |
| 16:51.45 | Shadowed | Lunessa not too sure why you get it, sounds more like a mod conflict though so if you end up having time and can disable a few to see what I could fix it :p |
| 16:52.08 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Will fiddle with it when I get home tonight. |
| 16:52.17 | Shadowed | kk thanks |
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| 16:54.39 | augustl | are there any addons that handles whispers more like most IMs does it? E.g. a separate window with one tab per conversation/person |
| 16:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | Cellular. |
| 16:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | WIM |
| 16:55.01 | Lopeppeppy | I think Prat can too... unsure, don't remember. |
| 16:55.01 | augustl | thanks, #wowuidev-google! |
| 16:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | My RAM is extensive for such things. |
| 17:00.33 | Lunessa | So, I installed a fresh copy of Satrina Buff Frames 3.1.17 last night and the first run message second line was "o hai!" I lawled. |
| 17:03.08 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
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| 17:12.40 | augustl | real quick, how do you filter the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME? E.g. filtering out all whispers. |
| 17:13.19 | nevcairiel | if its *all* whispers you are after, you can just disable them in the chatframe config |
| 17:13.23 | Cloudwolf | have a frame register an event?... |
| 17:13.24 | Lopeppeppy | I do it by clicking the chat tab and fixing my filters. |
| 17:13.41 | augustl | programatically, without setting configs |
| 17:13.50 | Cloudwolf | do you want to remove them from the chat frame |
| 17:13.56 | Cloudwolf | or put the message in a seperate frame? |
| 17:14.01 | augustl | the latter |
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| 17:18.13 | Cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/120766 |
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| 17:19.05 | Cloudwolf | augustl thats part of how you get the info |
| 17:19.19 | augustl | Cloudwolf: oh, I also want to not have it in the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME |
| 17:19.38 | augustl | I've been poking `ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER", function() ..... end)` |
| 17:19.44 | Cloudwolf | Im unforutnatly not aware of how to remove it from the default chat frame with out just disabling it in the filter |
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| 17:19.53 | augustl | apparently you should be able to return false in there to have the message filtered |
| 17:19.55 | augustl | doesn't seem to work though |
| 17:21.11 | Cide | Adys: of course |
| 17:21.29 | Adys | Cide: ? |
| 17:21.34 | Cide | <Adys> Anyone on windows got chrome 3? |
| 17:21.38 | Adys | actually |
| 17:21.40 | Adys | i got that done |
| 17:21.42 | Adys | i need chrome2 now |
| 17:21.47 | Cloudwolf | you return true augustl |
| 17:21.47 | Adys | and i was about to ask |
| 17:21.56 | Cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.58 | Cloudwolf | filter |
| 17:21.59 | Cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.21 | Cloudwolf | augustl try returning true instead of false |
| 17:22.32 | augustl | Cloudwolf: tried that as well |
| 17:22.40 | augustl | I'll try again |
| 17:23.07 | augustl | ah, do'h, returning true works |
| 17:23.15 | augustl | I was testing in CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM. |
| 17:23.22 | augustl | it worked in CHAT_MSG_WHISPER, though. |
| 17:23.39 | Cloudwolf | ok and that code i gave you should be able to register the fact that you got a whisper |
| 17:23.46 | Cloudwolf | so you can try and draw it in another frame |
| 17:23.54 | augustl | the filter gets everything it needs as well |
| 17:24.05 | augustl | it's fired every time someone whispers, and you get data passed to it |
| 17:24.13 | Cloudwolf | Ah thats good |
| 17:24.22 | augustl | as far as I can tell, at least :) |
| 17:28.45 | Adys | actually i got chrome2 donw now. anyone got safari? =P |
| 17:30.25 | MentalPower | on mac or on windows? |
| 17:31.27 | Dagmar | Safari is even available for Windows? |
| 17:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | Very yes! |
| 17:31.42 | Lopeppeppy | found that out about a month ago. *blush* |
| 17:31.43 | Lunessa | I have it on both platforms... right here. :P |
| 17:31.44 | durcyn | safari's had a windows port for years |
| 17:32.07 | nevcairiel | and it sucked for years |
| 17:32.25 | Dagmar | Ah... that would explain it then |
| 17:32.35 | nevcairiel | i dunno how it is on macs, but on windows its full of fail |
| 17:32.39 | durcyn | my only complaint is apple's windows updater has this suspicious tendency to try to automatically install quicktime and itunes every time it runs |
| 17:32.57 | Dagmar | That's Apple deciding what's best for you |
| 17:33.07 | Dagmar | ...and is the reason I now keep Quicktime uninstalled |
| 17:33.45 | Dagmar | I think that it's decidedly NOT okay for something to be trying to get you to install something new and unrelated ten times a freaking month |
| 17:34.08 | cbreak | I've seen many updaters do that |
| 17:34.13 | Dagmar | Most people would just classify that "malware/adware" and move on if it weren't for the Apple name on it |
| 17:34.19 | cbreak | that's why manual approval seems to be the best policy for updates |
| 17:34.34 | Dagmar | cbreak: I've never seen anything nag you about _unrelated_ things |
| 17:34.42 | Dagmar | I've got a lot of stuff that updates itself. That's no problem. |
| 17:35.07 | cbreak | MS's windows updater nagged me about .net and IE |
| 17:35.07 | Dagmar | However, if you have Quicktime installed, every f**king time it will try to get you to install iTunes when you update Quicktime |
| 17:35.24 | Lunessa | the updater will ASK you to install QuickTime and iTunes, but you can say "no." |
| 17:35.32 | nevcairiel | you can easily ignore stuff in windows update though, and it'll never ask you again |
| 17:35.40 | Dagmar | Lunessa: It asks every damn time tho, and it defaults to yes on both |
| 17:36.01 | Lunessa | Yeah, it does. But hey, you're the human. :) |
| 17:36.45 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'm the guy who eventually said "f**k quicktime", too. |
| 17:36.57 | Lunessa | Empowering, no? |
| 17:37.01 | Dagmar | I've got other things that can handle that format. I'm not missing anything but an annoying as hell updater now |
| 17:37.20 | Dagmar | It's a shame because generally their stuff works pretty well |
| 17:38.04 | Lunessa | I have QuickTime and iTunes installed. Therefore the updater isn't annoying to me, but useful. *shrug* YMMV. |
| 17:38.30 | Dagmar | Imagine that you neither needed nor wanted iTunes tho |
| 17:39.19 | durcyn | because i really need apple's shitty music library software on my work laptop's wine environment |
| 17:39.40 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 17:39.49 | Lunessa | Like I said, Your Milage May Vary |
| 17:40.06 | Dagmar | At the office, we don't need iTunes and it's yet one more thing that has to be considered for threat exposure so we keep it's installation to a minimum |
| 17:41.09 | Lunessa | Which makes sense. |
| 17:41.23 | cbreak | I disagree with the notion that an installed application needs an updater |
| 17:41.29 | Lunessa | Do you also kill Flash *shudder* ? |
| 17:41.31 | cbreak | it can check if it needs updates once it is started |
| 17:41.38 | cbreak | like firefox does |
| 17:41.45 | cbreak | or many many other applications I use |
| 17:42.03 | cbreak | flash is a huge security hole that's not even patched :( |
| 17:42.10 | Dagmar | I don't think they necessarily "need" one, and I definitely don't like that my Win32 desktop at home has no less than a DOZEN things which go out to check for updates _separately_ when I login, generally slowing me down and annoying me |
| 17:42.25 | Dagmar | ...but I'm _damn_ sure it's not right to use an updater to browbeat people into installing _other_ things |
| 17:43.10 | cbreak | could be worse |
| 17:43.13 | Lunessa | The thing I like most about the internet is the surety of other people's opinions. :D |
| 17:43.16 | cbreak | it could uninstall other things :) |
| 17:47.54 | Lunessa | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917993 |
| 17:48.04 | Cloudwolf | DAMNIT INSTALL ITUNES NOW *deletes windows media player* *deletes any other foreign media player* hahahaha |
| 17:48.09 | Dagmar | cbreak: That's what it does when you don't let the updater update Quicktime |
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| 17:49.57 | Dagmar | Well, "someone" makes it install other things anyway. |
| 17:50.34 | Cloudwolf | well that was odd lunessa |
| 17:51.03 | Lunessa | A cute chica at work linked that to me. She's Horde. |
| 17:51.41 | Cloudwolf | i think the horde part is obvious :P |
| 17:51.57 | Cloudwolf | im alliance but i dont have anything against the horde im just too lazy to realy start over with out any gold XD |
| 17:52.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Oh wow that is awesome |
| 17:53.25 | Lunessa | Cloudwolf: I have toons all over the place, but most of them are alliance - too much work to grind up and rebuild my support team on the other faction. |
| 17:53.39 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I laughed while watching it. |
| 17:54.03 | Cloudwolf | we dont like noobs we pwn them O.o so wierd hearing that from an elderly man |
| 17:54.50 | Dagmar | Seeing the mom wail "He might as well be Alliance!" is *priceless* |
| 17:57.07 | Lunessa | So I work at a university. WoW is pretty common amongst the student population, but not as much in the faculty - so imagine my surprise when a professor asked me randomly which server I played on. |
| 17:57.38 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 17:58.00 | Dagmar | Yeah we had ten people here in this department who were up for endgame raiding, but my boss decided to be an idiot |
| 17:58.13 | Cloudwolf | my school (im in highschool still oh well) has atleast 5 teachers who play wow |
| 17:58.14 | Dagmar | He picked a _low pop_ _PvP_ server and talked everyone into making a toon on that |
| 17:58.25 | Dagmar | Consequently, we've all got one deathknight and a toon under 25. |
| 17:58.55 | Cloudwolf | everyone should go blood deathnkight and start doing 10 man raids with a glyph of enhanced blood tap XD |
| 17:59.00 | Dagmar | Economy is dead, remaining server population are people I wouldn't wipe my shoes on, etc etc |
| 17:59.10 | Cloudwolf | oh crap im low on hp numbers 1-3 pop your blood tap |
| 18:00.47 | Cloudwolf | heh 1 more day and then i get to see the cool new items |
| 18:01.01 | Cloudwolf | that you can buy throught he argent tourney that is |
| 18:01.04 | Lunessa | Dagmar: That's ok - I play on an RP server. All the other IT folks here who play play Horde and I'm Alliance, and I'm probably one of those people you wouldn't take to a raid. :P |
| 18:01.08 | alestane | It's 2PM and already additional instances cannot be launched. |
| 18:02.02 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yes, but you don't request a battle res on Hitler so he can finish off the jews in trade chat |
| 18:02.02 | Dagmar | ...which makes you preferable to a large number of people on Detheroc |
| 18:02.02 | Lunessa | Dagmar: ... |
| 18:02.21 | Lunessa | There's a reason I have /1 and /2 in their own window and I don't play on a PvP server anymore. |
| 18:03.39 | Dagmar | I've been keeping trade on because we don't have an economic foothold on that server for beans, but I think I'm about to just give up on it |
| 18:04.51 | Lunessa | I |
| 18:05.04 | Lunessa | I hope you reported said asshat? |
| 18:07.59 | Dagmar | Oh godd yes |
| 18:08.12 | Dagmar | I reported about nine people in as many minutes for that and other similar things |
| 18:08.38 | Dagmar | On Skywall if someone had said that, you could put your ear to the window and hear people all over hte globe right-clicking "Report" |
| 18:08.57 | Dagmar | ...which may be why we don't have much of that extreme form of mental retardation on Skywall |
| 18:09.11 | Lunessa | I'm all for free speech, but I try to treat WoW chat like being invited to someone's home - If I wouldn't say it at a party in their house, I shouldn't say it in WoW Chat. |
| 18:09.29 | Adys | Anyone got safari 4.x ? |
| 18:09.34 | durcyn | what does a chat channel in a game have to do with free speech |
| 18:09.35 | Dagmar | Yeah, particualrly in broadcast channels |
| 18:10.26 | durcyn | it's not a public place, you have no 'right' whatsoever to say anything at all |
| 18:10.47 | cbreak | 4.0.2 |
| 18:10.53 | Lunessa | durcyn: Technically nothing. WoW Chat is private property in the US. Any and all constraints Blizzard feels like making can be. :) |
| 18:11.20 | Lunessa | I'm just saying, I'm all for free speech. |
| 18:11.27 | durcyn | Lunessa: ain't even technical. there's a section in the terms of service governing said chat, QED |
| 18:11.47 | Lunessa | durcyn: Yes. |
| 18:12.12 | durcyn | then we're in violent agreement. |
| 18:12.51 | Dagmar | There's free speech, and then there's just pooping in people's eyes for the hell of it. |
| 18:12.59 | Lunessa | Right. |
| 18:13.07 | Dagmar | Preventing either is wrong, but there's no reason why the latter should go unpunished. |
| 18:14.04 | Dagmar | There's also the guideline of "Anything that's likely to make someone walk up and punch your lights out if you yell it in a crowd should be kept to oneself" |
| 18:14.46 | Dagmar | Plus, around here the fine is less than a hundred dollars for hitting a stranger in the face. |
| 18:14.48 | Dagmar | :) |
| 18:15.09 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Have you paid said fine? |
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| 18:16.05 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 18:16.07 | Dagmar | And gladly. |
| 18:16.19 | Dagmar | Even the judge thought it was a bargain |
| 18:16.25 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 18:16.29 | Cloudwolf | what did the fool say? |
| 18:16.34 | Cloudwolf | or what was the jist of it? |
| 18:16.38 | Cloudwolf | gist |
| 18:16.43 | Cloudwolf | gerr can't spell worth a damn... |
| 18:16.46 | Dagmar | You don't want to know. I will say that it also invovled some things that he did. |
| 18:17.03 | Dagmar | It resulted in me walking up and "resetting him to nap mode" |
| 18:17.14 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I don't often like you, but as of this moment, you're a hero. |
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| 18:17.24 | Cloudwolf | was it just a general thing he said or was it a directed thing he said? |
| 18:17.41 | Dagmar | It was a direct thing he said to multiple people, and then he foolishly focused on me |
| 18:18.06 | Dagmar | If I hadn't put his lights out, he probably would ahve wound up getting severly beaten |
| 18:18.08 | Cloudwolf | good way to get rid of your anger lol |
| 18:18.24 | Dagmar | By the time I hit him, I only felt pity |
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| 18:19.23 | Cloudwolf | have to link it again now http://translationparty.com/#949371 |
| 18:19.29 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 18:19.37 | Cloudwolf | you made me remember it from last night |
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| 18:20.26 | alestane | The translations are really very bad, although that may be on purpose. |
| 18:20.50 | Cloudwolf | its trying to translate into equalibrium where it doesnt change any more |
| 18:21.00 | Cloudwolf | from eng to japanese to eng to japanese back and forth |
| 18:21.22 | Cloudwolf | so the first translation is normaly the clossest i expect |
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| 18:23.09 | alestane | Well, the second stage, it goes from English "I pity fools" to Japanese ãç§ã¯æ®å¿µãªæãè
ã "I am a pitiable fool". |
| 18:23.28 | nevcairiel | its just using the google translation engine, alestane. not intentionally bad .. but i guess eng<->jap isnt too friendly for a translation app |
| 18:23.55 | alestane | It's definitely more of a challenge. |
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| 18:24.10 | nevcairiel | that said, i have no idea about japanese whatsoever |
| 18:24.27 | nevcairiel | but being an asian language, i just assumed it would be harder to translate to then any of the western languages |
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| 18:25.30 | Slafsinator | http://translationparty.com/#950778 |
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| 18:28.23 | ckknight__ | lol, Slafsinator |
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| 18:29.52 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/#951887 |
| 18:31.17 | Adys | Ok |
| 18:31.19 | Adys | thats amazing. |
| 18:31.29 | Adys | I typo'd a 0 when I hit enter and |
| 18:31.30 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/#952200 |
| 18:31.40 | Slafsinator | if you turn off caps that raggy quote gets a totally different meaning |
| 18:31.43 | Adys | This is like reverse translation |
| 18:31.55 | nevcairiel | the japanese are so friendly |
| 18:31.57 | Lunessa | I added one of the translations to my forum .sig. |
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| 18:33.57 | Xinhuan | ok which wowi mod is active? |
| 18:34.02 | Xinhuan | or admin |
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| 18:34.29 | nevcairiel | Cairenn is always here |
| 18:34.55 | Xinhuan | or is she? |
| 18:35.52 | Cairenn | nevah! |
| 18:36.03 | Cairenn | whatcha need Xinhuan |
| 18:36.18 | Xinhuan | assuming you just approved my postal 3.2 upload |
| 18:36.30 | Xinhuan | can you delete this? |
| 18:36.30 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14360-Postalfor3.2.html |
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| 18:37.09 | Cairenn | yes and done |
| 18:37.14 | Xinhuan | since its just a fan-patch of sorts |
| 18:37.19 | Xinhuan | thanks! |
| 18:37.21 | Cruciformer | netcurse: ping |
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| 18:37.55 | Cairenn | you're welcome :) |
| 18:38.13 | Thunder_Child | ~cairennsnack |
| 18:38.14 | purl | ACTION gives a cookie to Cairenn |
| 18:38.20 | Cairenn | hugs Thunder_Child |
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| 18:39.27 | Cruciformer | anyone else from curse arpund? |
| 18:39.30 | Cruciformer | *around |
| 18:39.45 | Xinhuan | curse or wowace? |
| 18:39.51 | Cruciformer | curse |
| 18:40.07 | Cruciformer | http://unix42.com/bad_curse_rendering/ |
| 18:40.41 | Xinhuan | i've seen worse lol |
| 18:40.55 | tem | ASPX |
| 18:40.59 | tem | EW EW EW EW EW EW |
| 18:41.06 | Cruciformer | *shrug* just letting them know. |
| 18:41.12 | Cruciformer | its been that way for quite a while. |
| 18:41.20 | tekkub | FF does some retarded things sometimes |
| 18:41.24 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 18:41.25 | tekkub | *especially* on linux |
| 18:41.32 | Cruciformer | this is on vista |
| 18:41.39 | tekkub | yea I know |
| 18:41.43 | Xinhuan | btw, have you tried firefox 3.5? |
| 18:41.50 | Xinhuan | i noticed your firefox is 3.0.13 |
| 18:41.55 | tekkub | I'm just saying, FF's rendering isn't very consistant cross-platform |
| 18:42.05 | Xinhuan | i.e outdated version |
| 18:42.12 | Xinhuan | 3.5 has a faster rendering engine |
| 18:42.29 | nevcairiel | looks fine for me on 3.5 |
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| 18:42.50 | Cruciformer | No I havent updated yet. Someone else said it works on 3.5 but I wanted to keep this till I had reported the bug becuase thre are a bajillion people still using 3.0.x |
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| 18:44.22 | Cruciformer | (esp since the auto-updater wont update you from 3.0.x to 3.5.x) |
| 18:44.37 | nevcairiel | it doesnt? |
| 18:44.46 | nevcairiel | hm maybe they'll do that at a later time then |
| 18:45.13 | Cruciformer | nope I just got an auto-update to 3.0.13 from 3.0.12 the other day |
| 18:45.45 | nevcairiel | my poor xubuntu box wont update either |
| 18:46.18 | nevcairiel | i hate distributions that just close a version and develop a new one .. why not sequential upgrading |
| 18:46.23 | nevcairiel | i should change distribution =P |
| 18:47.14 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.18 | Lunessa | LAWL |
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| 18:52.55 | ckknight | someone say my name |
| 18:53.23 | kneeki | ckknight: hi |
| 18:53.47 | ckknight | hmm |
| 18:54.01 | ckknight | didn't seem to really ping me |
| 18:54.03 | ckknight | it shows as red |
| 18:54.09 | ckknight | but when minimized, didn't do anything special |
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| 19:02.35 | netcurse | Aion keys guys, half of them gone in 2 minutes hurry up |
| 19:02.36 | netcurse | http://www.curse.com/keys/aion-closed-beta/default.aspx |
| 19:02.49 | Xuerian | I was looking for that... |
| 19:02.55 | Xuerian | thanks netcurse. D: |
| 19:05.08 | augustl | aion >< |
| 19:06.28 | Xinhuan | This key giveaway is only valid in the following region(s): |
| 19:06.28 | Xinhuan | * Continental US |
| 19:06.28 | Xinhuan | * US |
| 19:06.40 | Xinhuan | :< |
| 19:07.12 | Cruciformer | Xinhuan: Becuase only Americans are capable of testing an MMORPG :p |
| 19:07.28 | nicoli_s | thats not why |
| 19:07.32 | nicoli_s | its because of legal reasons |
| 19:07.42 | Cruciformer | legal scheegle |
| 19:07.59 | nicoli_s | maybe for you, but for a company, legal reasons are very serious |
| 19:08.07 | augustl | legal needs to be fix'd |
| 19:08.11 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 19:08.13 | augustl | e.g the US iTunes store being US only. |
| 19:08.17 | Xinhuan | how does it know i'm not from US |
| 19:08.22 | Cruciformer | I have no doubt of that, I am trying to figure out a good legal reason for limiting testing. |
| 19:08.30 | nicoli_s | their isnt one' |
| 19:08.36 | ccox|sleep | http://translationparty.com/#960156 |
| 19:08.46 | nicoli_s | the issue is that for giveaways/contests, there are legal guidelines you must follow |
| 19:08.51 | nicoli_s | and they are different per region |
| 19:08.54 | Cruciformer | this i show games develop really bad protocols becuase everyone who tests it is 100ms away from teh servers, and then when the rest of the world plays and has to deal with 500-600ms things fall apart. |
| 19:09.08 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: Pretty easy to get the location from a IP. |
| 19:09.09 | Sesshu | Xinhuan: maybe ip localisator? |
| 19:09.21 | Sesshu | ... |
| 19:09.38 | Xuerian | Heh. |
| 19:10.02 | Xinhuan | what if i SSH my browser |
| 19:10.19 | ccox | http://translationparty.com/#960542 |
| 19:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | what if you what? |
| 19:10.31 | Xinhuan | tunnel the connection |
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| 19:10.58 | Sesshu | maby that would work..^^ |
| 19:11.03 | Sesshu | maybe* |
| 19:11.34 | ccox | Finally broke it: http://translationparty.com/#960689 |
| 19:11.41 | Cruciformer | oine of these days I am gonna figure out a way to tunnel all my traffic through my US server at serverbeach |
| 19:11.51 | Xinhuan | didn't work lol |
| 19:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | openvpn? |
| 19:12.19 | Cruciformer | ScytheBlade1: I tried that and couldnt get it to work but I'll admit I didnt try terribly hard |
| 19:12.45 | Adys | i love their mainpage listings |
| 19:12.46 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/#960622 |
| 19:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that my openvpn over :53/udp is the best thing ever |
| 19:13.16 | ckknight | http://translationparty.com/#961105 |
| 19:13.21 | Cruciformer | ScytheBlade1: one day Im gonna hit you up for instructions on how to do it |
| 19:13.29 | Xinhuan | well at least i tried ;p |
| 19:13.36 | Xinhuan | oh well |
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| 19:27.33 | Shirik|AFK | who invented pickles and onions |
| 19:27.37 | Shirik|AFK | such bad foods |
| 19:27.47 | nevcairiel | i love onions |
| 19:27.59 | Shirik|AFK | onions are evil |
| 19:28.16 | alestane | Onions invented themselves, thank you very much. |
| 19:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | pickles and onions are great |
| 19:29.33 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me I have some homemade pickles from our garden about ready to eat |
| 19:32.13 | Ackis | so apparently my 6 pound dog ate a toridal (sp?) |
| 19:32.14 | batbot | Ackis, toroidal. |
| 19:32.36 | Dagmar | OMG NO NOT AN ADJECTIVE ATTRIBUTE |
| 19:33.45 | Dagmar | I'm going to assume you mean a toroidal transformer, or more likely a choke (hah no pun intended) |
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| 19:34.04 | Ackis | no |
| 19:34.07 | Ackis | the pain killer |
| 19:34.10 | Ackis | narcotic |
| 19:34.53 | Dagmar | I was under the impression it was mainly used as an anti-infalmmatory |
| 19:35.05 | Dagmar | But hey, if the dog stays ambulatory for hte next two hours your'e probably good |
| 19:35.43 | Dagmar | Now that I realize I've misread, if a six pound dog stays upright after eating one of those, it's either a) not affecting him or b) you've been letting him have too many dilaudids |
| 19:35.58 | Dagmar | I sprained an ankle in college once and they gave me those |
| 19:36.05 | Ackis | nah gf was at home w/ him so she's rushing him to the vet clinic |
| 19:36.10 | Dagmar | I took one, and spent the next six hours staring at a blank wall |
| 19:36.35 | Ackis | exactly |
| 19:36.36 | Dagmar | Doesn't affect everyone that way |
| 19:36.39 | Dagmar | Thank god |
| 19:36.41 | Kraps | http://www.hulu.com/watch/87648/second-skin |
| 19:37.10 | Dagmar | I've been naughty so for anything to affect me that much was pretty impressive. :) |
| 19:37.11 | nevcairiel | i hate hulu.com too |
| 19:37.15 | nevcairiel | it only allows US people to stream |
| 19:37.32 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: just move to the US, land of the free, and get it over with :P |
| 19:37.44 | nevcairiel | i would never want to live in the US, tyvm :P |
| 19:37.56 | NeoTron | that's just because you never lived here. doh! |
| 19:38.02 | durcyn | they're not doing it to be evil, different countries have different distribution contracts that would be violated if it was wide open |
| 19:38.18 | durcyn | it's that or be sued out of existence |
| 19:38.22 | Dagmar | nevcariel: x r o x y dot c o mm |
| 19:38.39 | nevcairiel | i was there earlier, but none of the proxys really worked |
| 19:38.51 | Dagmar | Bummer |
| 19:38.59 | Shirik|AFK | what's with the spaces |
| 19:39.11 | Dagmar | Keeping it from becoming a link in any bot logs |
| 19:39.30 | Shirik|AFK | Just add a space at the beginning of the message |
| 19:39.40 | durcyn | rot13 it |
| 19:40.02 | Shirik|AFK | Any messages that begin with space get removed by purl |
| 19:40.13 | durcyn | and purl isn't the only log in here. |
| 19:40.20 | Shirik|AFK | only meaningful one :P |
| 19:40.24 | Kraps | that thing features WoW |
| 19:40.38 | Kraps | but its about mmos |
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| 19:51.33 | Kraps | EQ2 looks good |
| 19:52.22 | Dagmar | That burrito you ate earlier... that coloring wasn't food coloring dude. |
| 19:52.47 | Dagmar | Clearly, it's had something hallicunogenic growing on it if you think EQ2 looks good. |
| 19:52.52 | Dagmar | In *any* sense of the word |
| 19:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://translationparty.com/#969022 |
| 19:53.26 | Kraps | Dagmar: ...wow |
| 19:53.42 | Dagmar | It's "pretty" but beyond that, it suffers from everything that made EQ annoying |
| 19:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | last one of these I'll link, I swear, but this qualifies as "lost in translation" |
| 19:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://translationparty.com/#969082 |
| 19:54.19 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 19:54.29 | Kraps | Dagmar: which was? |
| 19:54.41 | Dagmar | I could list the problems for hours |
| 19:55.06 | Kraps | name 3 |
| 19:55.11 | Shirik | nice ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:55.26 | Dagmar | 1. Trade skills should not be a value sink, ever. Trade skills which are a value sink are called "hobbies" and don't really deserve to be called "trade" skills |
| 19:56.13 | Dagmar | 2. Recipes should not regularly require items which take hours upon hours to procure unless equivalent items can be obtained through more violent means in a greater amount of time. |
| 19:56.25 | ccox | oh, but some of them are profitable.... after you reach skill 400 |
| 19:56.36 | Dagmar | 3. Your toons should not look like escapees from Dragonball Z while your environment looks photorealistic |
| 19:56.37 | ccox | (engineering, jewelcrafting - I'm looking at you!) |
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| 19:57.10 | Dagmar | ccox: in WoW you're not taking an entire gold bar to make one gold coin usually |
| 19:57.11 | Shirik | engineering can make money? |
| 19:57.12 | Shirik | Since when |
| 19:57.17 | Dagmar | That's the kind of "value sink" I'm talking about |
| 19:57.24 | Dagmar | Shirik: BULLETS/ARROWS |
| 19:57.45 | Dagmar | Motorcycles |
| 19:57.48 | ccox | Dagmar: 2 - did you mean lesser amount of time? |
| 19:57.48 | Shirik | .. |
| 19:57.56 | Shirik | I don't understand the whole motorcycle/gyrocopter thing |
| 19:57.56 | durcyn | novelty obviously equates to value |
| 19:58.19 | Dagmar | ccox: Tradeskills should be a shortcut to gear, not a longer way of going about getting it, especially when it comes to rare gear because it'll make the materials suffer hellish amounts of mudflation |
| 19:58.21 | Shirik | like, I am perfectly fine with my 5 basic mounts |
| 19:58.49 | nevcairiel | i build myself a gyrocopter as engineer |
| 19:58.51 | nevcairiel | back in BC |
| 19:58.57 | Shirik | why? |
| 19:59.00 | nevcairiel | but i didnt have another flying mount |
| 19:59.01 | ccox | Dagmar: ok, chalk up 2 as not being clear |
| 19:59.03 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:59.04 | Dagmar | ccox: for example, the first teir rare ingredient required to make the best first tier spell scrolls regularly goes for more than a new toon could possibly hope to get before level thirty |
| 19:59.07 | Shirik | that's different |
| 19:59.09 | nevcairiel | and that thing is cool |
| 19:59.14 | Shirik | if you don't have one, then fine |
| 19:59.14 | nevcairiel | but i wouldnt buy a chopper |
| 19:59.16 | Dagmar | These are spells that go obsolete at level 10 mind you |
| 19:59.22 | nevcairiel | everyone can buy a chopper |
| 19:59.23 | nevcairiel | its not special |
| 19:59.35 | nevcairiel | but engineers are kinda rare, because they don't have any good bonus |
| 19:59.35 | ccox | Dagmar: yeah, I know how that goes... |
| 19:59.38 | Dagmar | Yeah but everyone should be able to tip about 1k for a chopper |
| 19:59.46 | Fisker | LOL!Insider... |
| 19:59.52 | Fisker | WoW.com has learned through multiple sources close to the situation some details on the next expansion, to be called World of Warcraft: Cataclysm. |
| 19:59.53 | Shirik | rawrs at Fisker |
| 19:59.57 | Fisker | Our sources have told us that the new races of Cataclysm will be: |
| 19:59.57 | Fisker | Worgen â Alliance |
| 19:59.57 | Fisker | Goblin â Horde |
| 20:00.01 | Shirik | Fisker = slow |
| 20:00.01 | Fisker | OMG GREAT WORK GUISE |
| 20:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: lolol |
| 20:00.14 | Dagmar | ccox: Yeah,, the trade system is set up so that it only works really IF the auction house works when the materials are that rare. Unfortunately the auction house also leads to scalping and the aforementioned problem |
| 20:00.16 | Shirik | And I love how WoW.com says this |
| 20:00.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I think his point is that wowinsider sucks |
| 20:00.26 | Shirik | They don't have a clue |
| 20:00.35 | Shirik | They don't have any "sources" |
| 20:00.36 | ccox | wow.com is stil guessing |
| 20:00.37 | Shirik | they're just saying it |
| 20:00.52 | Dagmar | They're regurgitating forum gossip |
| 20:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ZOMGPAGEVIEWS |
| 20:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | AD IMPRESSIONS |
| 20:00.58 | ScytheBlade1 | MONEY |
| 20:01.04 | Shirik | I would love for Blizz to take an extra 6 months in release, go "ha fooled you!" and change the races |
| 20:01.14 | Dagmar | That stems from that idiotic assertion that the two new halloween masks somehow represented new playable races |
| 20:01.15 | Shirik | s/in/to/ |
| 20:01.20 | ccox | But I thought gossip made reality? Isn't that what Faux News is based on? |
| 20:01.42 | Dagmar | I still don't know how much head cleaner someone had to huff to come up with that one |
| 20:01.42 | NeoTron | it's funny because Worgen was the #1 idea for a new race in WotLKL |
| 20:02.16 | ccox | Goblins - because the horde needs to play football, too |
| 20:02.32 | Dagmar | Let them play Blood Bowl then |
| 20:02.38 | Dagmar | (which is actually pretty good) |
| 20:02.43 | Kraps | do they have sources? |
| 20:02.52 | ccox | no, they have "sources" |
| 20:02.59 | Dagmar | "The voices told me" |
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| 20:03.25 | Kraps | This information has been speculated upon by multiple places, and we're pleased that everyone's speculation has turned out to be more or less true. |
| 20:03.40 | Kraps | "speculated upon by multiple places" NO SHIT |
| 20:03.55 | Kraps | "has turned out to be more or less true. " SAYS WHO |
| 20:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | More or less true? |
| 20:04.16 | Lopeppeppy | Is that like "sorta pregnant" ? |
| 20:04.26 | Kraps | ROFL |
| 20:04.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ha @ "sorta pregnant" |
| 20:04.39 | Dagmar | "partially arrested" |
| 20:04.48 | Cairenn | "kinda dead" |
| 20:04.50 | Lopeppeppy | "gently used" |
| 20:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy is beating the tar out of all of the other options presented so far |
| 20:05.21 | ccox | Schroedinger's Wife? |
| 20:05.25 | Cairenn | ccox: lol |
| 20:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I take that back |
| 20:05.38 | Dagmar | No one knows if she's dead until someone looks in the trunk? |
| 20:05.59 | Dagmar | Wouldn't it just be shorter to say "Nina" |
| 20:06.11 | Dagmar | (yes I am a bad man for making that joke) |
| 20:07.14 | Fisker | but Shirik |
| 20:07.20 | Shirik | I love you Fisker |
| 20:07.30 | Fisker | it was liek with mmo-champion reporting the post on the french wow forums |
| 20:07.44 | Fisker | WoWinsider: LOLOLOL SOURCES TELL US WEDNESDAY FROM THIS FRENCH POST ZOMGS |
| 20:07.52 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It rubs the lotion on its skin... |
| 20:08.31 | Fisker | i thought you loved me Shirik|AFK |
| 20:13.07 | Kraps | that documentary has a bit where 2 people who met on everquest meet in rl for the first time |
| 20:15.57 | Ackis | Fisker: what's going on? |
| 20:16.14 | Ackis | anyone know a way to compare a .pdf to a word doc easily? like a diff would be sexy |
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| 20:16.28 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:16.40 | Shirik | rawr |
| 20:16.45 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:16.48 | Shirik | licks Gryphon |
| 20:16.51 | Gryphon | licks Shirik |
| 20:18.29 | Lopeppeppy | *grin8 |
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| 20:20.32 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is happy to be back |
| 20:20.57 | Lunessa | Ackis: Don't know of a way to do that unless grep can read a PDF. |
| 20:21.36 | Dagmar | It can, sort of. |
| 20:21.50 | Dagmar | You'll get a lot of crap markup in your output tho |
| 20:21.52 | Ackis | Lunessa: found an app that might work, gonna try it out |
| 20:21.57 | Adys | Ackis: upload to google doc |
| 20:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, the penny arcade news post(s) today happen to be awesome. "-Gabe (I am not a rapist) out" |
| 20:22.31 | Ackis | Adys: what will that do for me though? |
| 20:22.36 | Kraps | hey gold farming! |
| 20:22.39 | Adys | it converts them to html |
| 20:22.45 | Adys | hell, just mail them to yourself on a gmail acc |
| 20:22.53 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:22.57 | Fisker | my hardon is going on |
| 20:22.57 | Fisker | hoho |
| 20:23.05 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN! |
| 20:23.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:23.10 | Shirik | bye Lopeppeppy |
| 20:23.17 | Fisker | Shirik ! |
| 20:23.18 | Adys | Fisker: http://translationparty.com/#974715 |
| 20:23.19 | Ackis | drive safe peppy |
| 20:23.27 | Shirik | Fisker! |
| 20:23.34 | Fisker | O_o |
| 20:23.46 | Fisker | you can't make emotional responses to other than me Shirik |
| 20:24.00 | Kraps | i love the doubletalk |
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| 20:26.22 | Kraps | this guy takes his goldfarming employees out to zoo, shows and bars |
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| 20:30.42 | Kraps | why is this guy leveling in bear form? |
| 20:37.10 | nicoli_s | thats awesome, kotaku pretty much said the same thing everyone else did, wow.com doesnt have shit for new info |
| 20:38.44 | Shirik | nicoli_s: ? |
| 20:41.24 | nicoli_s | http://kotaku.com/5334230/the-new-world-of-warcraft-race-speculation-continues |
| 20:45.55 | Fisker | the last time someone leaked WotLK stuff he was fired the day after or so |
| 20:46.24 | foxlit | wow.com needs a better cataclysm logo. |
| 20:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | no, wow.com needs to die |
| 20:46.44 | foxlit | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wow.com/media/2009/07/ah070209cataclysmupper.jpg << I mean, really, what is that, paint? |
| 20:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 20:47.19 | foxlit | But then who'll we question the journalistic integrity of? |
| 20:47.28 | Shirik | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 20:47.30 | Dagmar | Oh there'll be no shortage of that |
| 20:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Question? |
| 20:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | QUESTION? |
| 20:49.15 | netcurse | Aion keys guys, only a few left: http://www.curse.com/keys/aion-closed-beta/default.aspx |
| 20:49.25 | Lunessa | *facepalm* How do we convert this (highly compressed PDF) into e-mail formatted exactly the same and that won't use attachments that people won't open? |
| 20:49.44 | foxlit | This key giveaway is only valid in the following region(s): US |
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| 20:50.37 | alestane | Lunessa: Is it scanned text? |
| 20:50.50 | Dagmar | Requries premium membership |
| 20:50.52 | Kraps | ok this documentary is depressing |
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| 20:51.26 | Lunessa | alestane: No, it's a pagemaker document created as a PDF and they want to send it as e-mail without making it an attachment, so would I pretty please make that happen from the PDF file? |
| 20:51.29 | cbreak | E-Mails only support txt without attachement |
| 20:51.45 | Lunessa | cbreak: hence my facepalm moment |
| 20:52.07 | cbreak | you can of course use HTML, but that HTML is an attachment of a normal e-mail usually |
| 20:52.09 | Roofel | Hmm, quick question concerning Mouseover in addons, is XML or pure Lua the best way to go? |
| 20:52.14 | alestane | Well, many mail readers display HTML attachments without making them look like attachments. |
| 20:52.28 | cbreak | Roofel: unrelated |
| 20:52.39 | cbreak | xml is only used for GUI |
| 20:52.44 | cbreak | mouseover does not require any gui |
| 20:53.07 | nicoli_s | Kraps, what documentary? |
| 20:53.26 | Kraps | about online gamers |
| 20:53.36 | netcurse | the one on hulu.com ? |
| 20:53.52 | Kraps | yeah |
| 20:53.58 | Roofel | Well, the addon already got a button frame for a summon ability, I am gonna try to get it to display the name of the "companion" that is displayed on the button like a tooltip |
| 20:54.00 | netcurse | it was interesting |
| 20:54.28 | Kraps | yeah |
| 20:54.29 | Lunessa | I told them to have the original exported to HTML and take it up with the document designer, NOT ME. |
| 20:54.31 | Roofel | Cant find anything for a "OnMouseover" trigger for the XML, like the OnClick part |
| 20:54.51 | foxlit | Roofel: there is one. |
| 20:55.08 | Arrowmaster | netcurse: "No key could be found or allocated" |
| 20:55.19 | foxlit | "OnEnter" "OnLeave" |
| 20:55.32 | Roofel | Ahhh, explains it |
| 20:55.48 | Roofel | like "OnEnter" shows the tooltip and OnLeave hides it? |
| 20:56.02 | augustl | hmm, I created a frame that seems to disregard the UI scale |
| 20:56.12 | augustl | anything special you need to do to make it a part of the whole UI scale scheme? |
| 20:56.23 | Arrowmaster | augustl: parent it to UIParent? |
| 20:56.26 | augustl | ah, it wasn't parent of UIParent |
| 20:56.28 | augustl | ya :) thanks! |
| 20:59.33 | tem | this is odd |
| 20:59.38 | tem | why is this macro changing my target? |
| 21:00.13 | tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.40 | Lunessa | tem: Judgements do that. |
| 21:00.50 | alestane | Because you're judging something that's not your target. |
| 21:00.57 | tem | and that matters because? |
| 21:01.11 | alestane | Because you target whatever you judge. |
| 21:01.22 | tem | but why? |
| 21:01.29 | Lunessa | judgements target/attack what you judge. |
| 21:01.31 | tem | that's inconsistent with every other spell that I can think of |
| 21:01.39 | Lunessa | It's a property of the spell. |
| 21:01.40 | alestane | Because they wrote it that way? Hell if I know. |
| 21:01.44 | alestane | Not entirely. |
| 21:02.08 | alestane | Spells like Blood Strike and Heroic Strike will acquire a target if you don't have one. |
| 21:02.28 | Fisker | so you think you can stop me |
| 21:02.44 | tem | yeah |
| 21:02.48 | tem | Death Coil does that too |
| 21:02.51 | tem | and it's IRRITATING |
| 21:02.51 | alestane | And for a while I think /cast [target=mouseover] Sunder Armor would set your target to your mouseover. |
| 21:03.18 | alestane | You can deal with those by setting your action bar's 'unit' attribute to 'target' instead of nil. |
| 21:04.36 | tem | oh so it forces it to only cast on the target |
| 21:04.39 | tem | that's interesting |
| 21:04.52 | alestane | More accurately, it suppresses the cast when you have no target. |
| 21:05.36 | alestane | I wrote a mod for it years ago when someone requested a way to help their reckless rogues and warriors not break sheep when their target died. |
| 21:10.30 | Dagmar | alestane: Ah so setting the attribute fixes it? |
| 21:10.49 | Dagmar | Hunters appear to have a number of abilities that will auto-acquire a target, including Kill Sshot |
| 21:10.58 | Dagmar | IT R MUCH LULZ |
| 21:11.20 | alestane | It won't let you cast a judgement that doesn't change your target, but it will stop the ability from being used if the specified unit doesn't exist. |
| 21:11.59 | alestane | There's a check in the SecureActionButtonTemplate code...if ( unit ~= 'none' and not UnitExists(unit) ) then return; end |
| 21:12.05 | alestane | Or something along those lines. |
| 21:12.32 | alestane | Actually, I think it's if ( unit and unit ~= "none" and not UnitExists(unit) ) |
| 21:12.33 | Dagmar | Well, it doesn't work for beans if it's supposed to prevent auto-acquiring targets |
| 21:13.16 | Dagmar | I had my kill shot macro (which won't actually fire Kill Shot unless the target is below 10% health) magically target one of the paladin's groups of three and fire an auto-shot a few days ago in ToC |
| 21:13.17 | Dagmar | I was pissed |
| 21:13.36 | Dagmar | It's not like it was a wipe or anything, but man it looks pro when you accidentally ull something 90 degrees to your left |
| 21:13.44 | Dagmar | s/ull/pull/; |
| 21:14.04 | alestane | The default unit for action bars is nil, which means that code won't get involved. |
| 21:14.15 | Dagmar | Ah |
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| 21:14.38 | alestane | You have to actually set it to something to get that code to suppress your actions. |
| 21:14.45 | Dagmar | Yeah this is also why a lot of hunters have a [target=exists] in their kill command macro |
| 21:14.58 | Dagmar | There's nothing like watching the pet go blazing off to some target you weren't even considering yet |
| 21:15.19 | alestane | That's not the actual purpose it was developed for; the check is there to conserve CPU time. |
| 21:15.44 | Dagmar | I'll take it over frantically smacking feign death and telling the parth "oh crap no one move" |
| 21:15.57 | Dagmar | Time to call partner support. This keyboard has had it. |
| 21:17.20 | tem | SIGH |
| 21:17.30 | Shirik | tem |
| 21:17.34 | Shirik | don't break Shiibot |
| 21:17.50 | tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.59 | Shirik | wait so what's worng? |
| 21:18.12 | Shirik | my arena partner was complaining about something last night |
| 21:18.15 | alestane | Because your target hasn't actually changed at the time you request the spellcast. |
| 21:18.48 | tem | right |
| 21:19.10 | Shirik | what's wrong tem! |
| 21:19.24 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.03 | tem | Shirik, my macro to judge either my target, my focus or my target's target is changing my target |
| 21:21.12 | XSlicer | Anyone knows the deal with /castrandom ? |
| 21:21.33 | Shirik | don't use it |
| 21:21.41 | Shirik | tem: It doesn't work? |
| 21:21.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:21.46 | Shirik | I missed the last part |
| 21:23.46 | Shirik | MSDN: "In Visual C# you can document the code you write using XML. C# is the only programming language in Visual Studio .NET with this feature. " |
| 21:23.53 | Shirik | wtf is Microsoft smoking |
| 21:24.00 | Shirik | it's a comment. You can write comments in any language however you want |
| 21:24.03 | cbreak | yay... I love to write xml... |
| 21:24.08 | Shirik | you can't stop me from documenting C++ with XML |
| 21:24.11 | alestane | ~xml |
| 21:24.12 | purl | Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use XML.' Now they have two problems. |
| 21:24.27 | cbreak | doxygen ftw. |
| 21:24.37 | Nechckn | claps at description |
| 21:24.54 | ccox | with xml, it's more like 4 problems |
| 21:26.04 | Cruciformer | XML is proof that athiests are wrong. |
| 21:26.19 | alestane | There is a God, and he doesn't like you. |
| 21:26.35 | ccox | there is a hell, called xml |
| 21:26.54 | Cruciformer | Only something as diabolical as the anti-christ would have come up with XML as a generic solution to all problems. If there is an anti-christ, there must be a christ. ergo, god exists. |
| 21:27.15 | cbreak | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2009-08-08 |
| 21:27.29 | Dagmar | XML is easy |
| 21:27.43 | Cruciformer | XML syntax is easy. using XML appropriately is not. |
| 21:28.09 | cbreak | xml is too complicated |
| 21:28.23 | cbreak | complicated enough apparently that writing a parser without security holes wasn't possible |
| 21:28.30 | Cruciformer | funny that, considring it was supposed to be a simplification of sgml |
| 21:28.35 | alestane | XML is simple, but this simplicity does not extend to any useful application of XML. |
| 21:28.41 | ccox | xml is simple, how people (ab)use it gets complicated |
| 21:29.12 | augustl | is it possible to do templates and virtual="true" with lua? |
| 21:29.13 | Dagmar | Wow Codenomicon is pretty useless there |
| 21:29.28 | alestane | augustl: Not in the same way, no. |
| 21:29.28 | Cruciformer | XML is to coding what high octane fuel is to a car. You may think you are going a little faster but you are still driving the same crappy car. |
| 21:29.33 | augustl | CreateFrame("Frame", "$parentFoo", PARENT_FRAME, myTemplateFrame) doesn't seem to work |
| 21:29.44 | augustl | alestane: got any links to how you do similar inheritance-ish stuff with Lua? |
| 21:29.46 | alestane | But you can create a function that makes a new frame and sets it up and returns it. |
| 21:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome XML abuse: http://pastey.net/120773 |
| 21:29.51 | augustl | ah, right |
| 21:29.52 | kd3 | blah |
| 21:29.55 | kd3 | need to find cat6 |
| 21:30.03 | kd3 | 100mbit isn't fast enough |
| 21:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note: the full file is actually several megs in size) |
| 21:31.45 | alestane | If that's what I think it is, I've seen it. |
| 21:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 21:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It is an oldie but a goodie, I've linked it once here before |
| 21:32.17 | alestane | Way to make XML totally useless, that file can't even be validated. They could have written it in binary and saved themselves a lot of trouble. |
| 21:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They /could/ have done quite a bit |
| 21:33.26 | Cruciformer | wots it from? |
| 21:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | a game |
| 21:34.03 | cbreak | a proper format would be so much more space saving |
| 21:34.16 | foxlit | cbreak: who needs space? :) |
| 21:35.24 | ccox | and faster to parse |
| 21:35.46 | ccox | smaller would load from disk quicker |
| 21:35.51 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 21:35.57 | foxlit | Economies of scale, all of it. |
| 21:36.03 | cbreak | I don't think a binary format is optimal |
| 21:36.08 | cbreak | but something a bit less... verbose |
| 21:36.27 | ccox | optimal depends on your targets |
| 21:36.41 | ccox | if you want it human readable and editable, then no, binary is not great |
| 21:36.52 | NeoTron | xpeg - new xml based image format |
| 21:36.58 | ccox | if you want it to load fast - binary is optimal |
| 21:36.59 | cbreak | eeew |
| 21:37.17 | foxlit | ccox: again, meh. |
| 21:37.18 | ccox | MXMLG - adobe flash XML image format |
| 21:37.23 | cbreak | the first thing that comes to mind with binary formats is buffer overflow. :) |
| 21:37.32 | cbreak | (I know, most don't have such flaws...) |
| 21:37.39 | ccox | cbreak - the same can be done with text formats (been there, exploited that) |
| 21:37.41 | NeoTron | <image width="1" height="1"><row><pixel color="#ffbbaa" alpha="0.5"/></row></image> |
| 21:43.03 | ccox | ah, MLMLG became FXG - still XML based image format, SVG like |
| 21:48.47 | nicoli_s | i mean i can see how images in xml is kinda cool, i mean im sure you can do some cool xslt stuff with it but damn |
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| 21:58.23 | Dagmar | It's cool because it lets you get nice vector-draw-like functionality in a webpage without having to invoke freaking Flash |
| 22:00.27 | nicoli_s | isnt there js to draw vector graphics? |
| 22:00.51 | nicoli_s | and how does having a image xml format mean you dont have to use flash? it isnt standard to html is it? |
| 22:01.13 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: Not anti-aliased that I've noticed |
| 22:01.43 | Lukian | svg? :> |
| 22:02.23 | nicoli_s | ahh yeah, AA does help make text all purty |
| 22:02.23 | Dagmar | The HTML5 demos I've seen were pretty win |
| 22:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | most all of those are <canvas> not SVG |
| 22:02.23 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: And it helps make your website not make people think you used MSPaint to design it |
| 22:02.34 | foxlit | AA? text? |
| 22:02.36 | foxlit | Lunacy! |
| 22:02.56 | foxlit | (If you're concerned about rendering text, browsers already do that without ANYTHING.) |
| 22:03.18 | Dagmar | There's also the small matter that SVG is actually XML. |
| 22:05.04 | ReAn | so? |
| 22:05.07 | ReAn | is that a bad thing? |
| 22:10.22 | tekkub | stupid question, if I have my acct set up for monthly credit card, can I just add a game card ad it applies the time directly? |
| 22:10.32 | tekkub | so in 2.5 months it goes back to CC |
| 22:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 22:11.49 | Arrowmaster | i would assume so since they have stuff like the different ways of earning a free month of game time that should work without any action from those on monthly CC payments |
| 22:12.12 | tekkub | oh true |
| 22:13.13 | tekkub | yup, twerked |
| 22:13.15 | tekkub | yatta |
| 22:13.41 | Cruciformer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Greymane&n=Vorne |
| 22:13.44 | Arrowmaster | man this computer is slow |
| 22:13.54 | Cruciformer | can someone who knows DK's look at that and tellme if he's a tank or dps? |
| 22:13.58 | Cruciformer | I know jack shit about DKs |
| 22:14.17 | Shirik | any wiki gurus here? |
| 22:14.28 | Shirik | Didn't something like __TOCRIGHT__ exist to make the TOC appear on the right? |
| 22:14.29 | Shirik | floating? |
| 22:14.33 | Arrowmaster | only getting about 60Mbit/s max copy files from it to my new one via smb, i was getting 80Mbit/s copy files from another laptop to my new one via smb |
| 22:14.39 | tekkub | {{tocright}} |
| 22:14.48 | tekkub | I think |
| 22:14.51 | Shirik | ew it's a template? |
| 22:14.56 | Shirik | So I have to copy it from somewhere else |
| 22:14.57 | tekkub | right float tocs are a bit akward |
| 22:15.41 | tekkub | Cruciformer: both specs he doesn't have the tier-1 unholy skill for +dodge |
| 22:15.46 | tekkub | I'd assume he's not a tank |
| 22:15.49 | tekkub | or not a good one |
| 22:19.49 | augustl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You count the entries |
| 22:20.26 | augustl | so you have to loop through it manually? |
| 22:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | #t only works for sequentially numbered integer indexes |
| 22:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 22:20.35 | tem | Cruciformer, if he's a tank, he's terrible |
| 22:20.43 | tem | both of those look like cookie cutter dps specs to me, though |
| 22:20.44 | cbreak | or track the entries |
| 22:21.11 | tem | the primary spec looks like a pvp spec |
| 22:21.21 | tem | and the second is the "standard" unholy pve dps build |
| 22:21.55 | Cruciformer | cool tyvm tem, appreciate it |
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| 22:27.15 | foxlit | I wonder why there isn't a proper count() operator for hash tables. |
| 22:27.32 | foxlit | Considering they easily control the entries being added or removed, it would seem that keeping count isn't actually all that hard. |
| 22:30.26 | alestane | But it does require saving the count somewhere. |
| 22:30.53 | foxlit | What's 4 bytes to a hash table? |
| 22:31.26 | alestane | Overhead in Lua tends to be kept as low as possible from wat I've seen of the code. |
| 22:31.57 | Arrowmaster | lua 5.0 used to store it but it was removed in 5.1 |
| 22:32.09 | Arrowmaster | you should be able to find the reasoning somewhere |
| 22:32.15 | foxlit | How does Lua know when it's time to rehash? |
| 22:32.23 | Arrowmaster | but it was mostly because of metatables i think |
| 22:32.34 | Arrowmaster | rehash? |
| 22:32.34 | alestane | Arrowmaster: If you mean the getn/setn functions, those were for arrays anyway. |
| 22:32.59 | foxlit | Those hash tables are dynamically resized. |
| 22:33.31 | Arrowmaster | it has an internal size but it doesnt expose it to us i think |
| 22:34.01 | foxlit | That kind of conflicts with "it [no longer] stores it" |
| 22:34.34 | Arrowmaster | well im not really sure ask Shirik or batrick they know more about the internals of lua |
| 22:35.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:35.28 | foxlit | Does Lua know how many entires there are in a hash table, Shirik? |
| 22:35.45 | Arrowmaster | internally |
| 22:36.08 | Shirik | That's a question I never had to answer really. I guess it would have to, because you have two conflicting things |
| 22:36.38 | Shirik | It overallocates memory, even for the hash table |
| 22:36.43 | Arrowmaster | well hashes and arrays are really just the same thing but stored slightly differently |
| 22:36.44 | Shirik | So it has to know where "valid data" ends |
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| 22:37.05 | Shirik | when I get home tonight I can probably answer that |
| 22:37.09 | Shirik | I just never bothered to think about that |
| 22:37.35 | Arrowmaster | although i just thought of something else reguarding arrays |
| 22:37.36 | Shirik | That is an interesting point though, I wonder why it's never come up before |
| 22:39.15 | Arrowmaster | since { "one", "two", "three" } is supposdedly different and slightly faster to access than { [1]="one", [2]="two", [3]="three" } does that mean table.insert is different than t[#t+1]=... |
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| 22:40.18 | foxlit | open addressing, eh |
| 22:40.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah lua internals of tables are kinda weird |
| 22:42.28 | foxlit | Actually makes sense. |
| 22:43.03 | alestane | A table stores an actual array for managing positive integer keys, but it's possible for a positive integer key to not go into that aray. |
| 22:43.10 | foxlit | Chaining requires you to manage the separate linked lists, while OA avoids that problem. |
| 22:43.36 | alestane | If you create a table {[1000] = true}, it won't allocate a 1000-index array. |
| 22:44.16 | foxlit | And rather than removing entires and having to re-do the OA chain, they can mark keys as "dead". |
| 22:44.56 | foxlit | So I suppose the answer to the question is "no, it does not". |
| 22:45.18 | Arrowmaster | but theres a major difference between the result of 't={}; for i=1,1000 do table.insert(t,true) end' and 't={ [1000]=true }; for i=1,999 do table.insert(t,true) end' |
| 22:46.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah its very strange, atleast to me |
| 22:46.40 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: : No |
| 22:46.48 | Shirik | table.insert should be slower |
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| 22:47.01 | Shirik | the difference in the former is due to the fact that there's an opcode specifically for it |
| 22:47.16 | Arrowmaster | im referring to internal data structure when retrieving the value later |
| 22:47.29 | Shirik | theoretically an optimizer could take the second one and put it into the better construction, but Lua doens't have an optimizer :) |
| 22:47.36 | Relcuse | Is it possible to change the name of a frame after it is created? |
| 22:47.41 | Shirik | no |
| 22:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Relcuse: no |
| 22:47.47 | Relcuse | T_T k |
| 22:47.54 | alestane | Depends what you mean...you can't change the result of frame:GetName(). |
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| 22:48.00 | Shirik | well |
| 22:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't delete a frame, either |
| 22:48.03 | Shirik | if you put it that way |
| 22:48.05 | Shirik | sure you could |
| 22:48.14 | Shirik | frame.GetName = function() return "lol" end |
| 22:48.19 | Relcuse | XD |
| 22:48.35 | Arrowmaster | warning: may cause taint |
| 22:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 'may' |
| 22:48.43 | Shirik | yes please don't do that |
| 22:48.44 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:49.03 | alestane | And you can change the reference to the frame: _G[frame:GetName()] = nil; _G[someOtherName] = frame |
| 22:49.04 | alestane | But that won't actually change the "name". |
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| 22:50.10 | Relcuse | right, you'll just be replacing the object |
| 22:51.28 | Relcuse | wait no - that's replacing the global reference. interesting. though :GetName() returns the previous value, yeah? |
| 22:52.16 | alestane | Yes. frame:GetName() returns the name assigned to the frame at creation, regardless of what references to the frame esxist. |
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| 23:09.03 | mikma | adys: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/google_microsoft_chrome.jpg |
| 23:12.20 | Adys | this is extremely old |
| 23:12.29 | Adys | something like november 2008 |
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| 23:17.00 | foxlit | november 2008, when the dinosaurs roamed the earth. |
| 23:17.32 | Shirik | ^ |
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| 23:26.21 | Kraps_ | here we go with the weather again /sigh |
| 23:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. *sigh* |
| 23:27.43 | Dagmar | Time to flee the trailer park |
| 23:29.04 | alestane | Storm's a-comin' in? |
| 23:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | I wish it would. |
| 23:30.20 | Kraps_ | last night was an offshoot of noahs flood |
| 23:30.39 | Kraps_ | t-storms again tonight |
| 23:30.53 | Lopeppeppy | We had some of that, severe tstorm warnings for tonight. Should be awesome. |
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| 23:37.37 | mikma | anyone has any clue what card from Radeon is close to Nvidia GeForce 8 - 9 ? |
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| 23:43.13 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:43.36 | Fisker | nothing compares to yoooooouuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 23:44.18 | Thunder_Child | fan of Sinéad O'Connor Fisker? |
| 23:44.35 | Fisker | no |
| 23:44.47 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 23:45.12 | Fisker | got me :( |
| 23:45.15 | Kraps__ | new nvidia driver |
| 23:45.28 | Fisker | sauce |
| 23:45.34 | Fisker | nvidia > ati any time btw |
| 23:49.07 | Thunder_Child | Kraps__, i see 7/21/09 |
| 23:49.26 | Kraps__ | yes |
| 23:49.31 | Kraps__ | thats new for me |
| 23:52.35 | augustl | titanium weapon chain for 150g in AH. is that normal? |
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| 23:52.57 | NightHawkTheSane | 150g? that seems a little overpriced, but i guess it depends on titanium prices on your server |
| 23:53.53 | Dewin | titanium ore is 18g a pop on ours right now |
| 23:54.00 | augustl | 1 bar is 57/69 |
| 23:54.10 | augustl | ore is 25 |
| 23:54.26 | NightHawkTheSane | well if a bar is selling for ~60g, i guess 150g isn't that crazy |
| 23:57.58 | augustl | did something happen to titanium in 3.2? |
| 23:58.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it became prospectable |
| 23:58.45 | ajmitch | something to do with it being prospected for epic gems & powder for JC tokens |
| 23:58.47 | augustl | ah |
| 23:59.06 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 23:59.07 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
