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| 00:03.20 | Fisker | robotusch msn |
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| 00:07.14 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG5NhkxQJQc |
| 00:09.06 | Kraps | wtf awesome |
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| 00:11.17 | Aqua | did they take the totem bar out of the 3.2 patch? |
| 00:11.27 | Aqua | nm |
| 00:11.28 | Aqua | i found it |
| 00:11.49 | jaxdahl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.04 | Industrial | :O |
| 00:12.05 | Industrial | nice |
| 00:12.07 | Industrial | :p |
| 00:12.42 | Industrial | now you cn talk smack after you get ganked \:D/ |
| 00:12.55 | mikma | or after you gank |
| 00:13.05 | Fisker | fake jaxdahl |
| 00:15.14 | mikma | kraps: This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. |
| 00:15.42 | jaxdahl | Fisker, not fake |
| 00:15.48 | jaxdahl | i took that screenshot |
| 00:15.50 | Fisker | faek |
| 00:15.56 | jaxdahl | try it yourself |
| 00:16.01 | Fisker | naw |
| 00:16.02 | jaxdahl | make alliance & horde char on pvp server |
| 00:16.05 | Kraps | mikma: huh, i woulda thought micheal jackson is international |
| 00:16.19 | theorb | \\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 00:16.22 | Fisker | naw jaxdahl |
| 00:16.23 | mikma | kraps: youboat doesnt seem to think so |
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| 00:16.39 | theorb | Sorry. |
| 00:16.59 | Kraps | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk&NR=1 |
| 00:17.28 | Kraps | substitute |
| 00:17.42 | Fisker | stop |
| 00:17.43 | Fisker | posting |
| 00:17.48 | Fisker | regionlocked |
| 00:17.50 | Fisker | videos |
| 00:18.09 | Kraps | that one too? |
| 00:18.10 | Fisker | goodbye cruel world |
| 00:18.15 | mikma | kraps: This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. |
| 00:18.44 | End | Fisker: perhaps it is you that is cruel |
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| 00:19.42 | NightHawkTheSane | End: while that might be true, i'm pretty sure the world actually is cruel, too |
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| 00:20.07 | End | I think he deserves it then |
| 00:20.40 | mikma | amen |
| 00:20.45 | mikma | that bloody troll |
| 00:23.08 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_17625_songs-from-your-grandpas-day-that-would-make-eminem-blush.html |
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| 00:25.00 | mikma | adys: ping! |
| 00:25.23 | expiation | does anyone know if there is fix for the addon updater when it just is blank when i run it? |
| 00:25.28 | Adys | pong Mikk |
| 00:25.29 | Adys | mikma: |
| 00:25.44 | mikma | adys: i kinda need you super-db skills again |
| 00:25.54 | Adys | gogo |
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| 00:26.28 | mikma | adys: i am planning on creating a simple enemy detection addon, but only way to detect enemies is spellID and sourceFlags... |
| 00:26.41 | Adys | enemy detection? O_o |
| 00:27.10 | mikma | combatlogeventunfiltered -> sourceflag -> spellid |
| 00:27.34 | Adys | okay |
| 00:27.41 | mikma | but the thing is i kinda need a huge, huge spellid list that has playerclasses and level obtained in it =/ |
| 00:27.43 | Adys | so what do you need? |
| 00:27.49 | Adys | rigt |
| 00:27.54 | expiation | Shirik: have you any answer to that one? i have vista 64 with latest java but your updater loads a blank white window that if i hit options loads a transparent one |
| 00:28.04 | Shirik | leave me alone! |
| 00:28.09 | Adys | playerclasses I dont have that; I got something slightly similar (categories) |
| 00:28.17 | Shirik | no, actually, I've never heard of that before |
| 00:28.18 | Adys | level obtained, sure np |
| 00:28.19 | mikma | [spellid] = {class = "CLASS", level = XX} |
| 00:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | expiation: that's a networking issue, I'm sure |
| 00:28.24 | Shirik | Do you have a log? |
| 00:28.45 | Adys | mikma: is it for righthererightnow tho? I'm a bit.. busy :P |
| 00:29.04 | mikma | adys: no, at some point in life |
| 00:29.17 | Adys | call me when you're 33 then |
| 00:29.33 | mikma | thats in 3years then |
| 00:30.03 | mikma | adys: but the sad thing really is i kinda need the classes in, too =( |
| 00:30.30 | Adys | as i said i got something similar |
| 00:30.36 | mikma | adys: look at this: http://paranoia-epa.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Paranoia_EPA/spelllist.lua |
| 00:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | expiation: also, define 'just blank' |
| 00:31.07 | expiation | ScytheBlade1 what you mean? why would settings options in his updater need the network I mean i install the program and I run it, its just a white window and then if i hit options it pulls up a transparent one and does nothing at all, I'm on here so i have network |
| 00:31.21 | expiation | ScytheBlade1 well it just has the menus at the top and nothing else |
| 00:31.24 | Adys | remind me, what is this for? |
| 00:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, I see |
| 00:31.31 | Adys | like, exactly |
| 00:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me your modules aren't installed |
| 00:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you install minion as a different user? |
| 00:31.40 | Shirik | expiation: Again, do you have a log file? |
| 00:31.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 00:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~minion-logs |
| 00:31.54 | purl | %APPDATA%MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 00:31.57 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 is asking all these questions that can be answered by log files |
| 00:31.59 | mikma | adys: ok. player gets CLEU event. we check the sourceflag of that one to see is it a hostile player. |
| 00:32.01 | Shirik | and you really need to fix that |
| 00:32.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't! |
| 00:32.18 | expiation | Shirik yea sure i will post it to the pastebin |
| 00:32.19 | mikma | adys: if it is, check the spellid of the event to get estimated level and class |
| 00:32.20 | Shirik | purl, no, minion-logs is %APPDATA%%\MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 00:32.21 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 00:32.25 | Shirik | ~minion-logs |
| 00:32.26 | purl | methinks minion-logs is %APPDATA%%MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 00:32.28 | Shirik | :/ |
| 00:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Told you |
| 00:32.34 | Shirik | purl, no, minion-logs is %APPDATA%\\MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 00:32.35 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 00:32.38 | mikma | adys: print data on screen: "lvlXX class detected" |
| 00:32.39 | Shirik | ~minion-logs |
| 00:32.40 | purl | i heard minion-logs is %APPDATA%\MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 00:32.42 | Shirik | I win |
| 00:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yay |
| 00:32.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That is.. odd |
| 00:32.45 | Adys | okay hold on |
| 00:32.48 | Shirik | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:32.48 | purl | lowers ScytheBlade1's priority |
| 00:32.57 | Adys | why not just do UnitClass("...") |
| 00:33.40 | mikma | adys: prowl/stealth makes it not possible |
| 00:33.53 | Shirik | Patch aborted: The file "WoW.exe" could not be found. If this problem persists, you may be able to solve it by uninstalling and then reinstalling the game. If you are unable to correct this problem, please contact Blizzard Technical Support. |
| 00:33.54 | Adys | what do you mean? I havent played with CL events so |
| 00:33.56 | Shirik | ............................................... |
| 00:34.04 | Adys | WoW.exe? |
| 00:34.08 | Adys | isnt it named Wow.exe? |
| 00:34.09 | mikma | adys: foo casts stealth -> unit not found, but we know from the spellid it was a rogue |
| 00:34.19 | Shirik | who cares, Windows wouldn't make a difference |
| 00:34.19 | Adys | Okay |
| 00:34.24 | Adys | so why don't you just use those spells? |
| 00:34.47 | Adys | make a list of the problematic spells, cast a check if unit not found |
| 00:34.50 | mikma | would it be cool if i would steal that one? =/ |
| 00:34.58 | Adys | wut |
| 00:35.03 | Arrowmaster | either i really suck at applying thermal paste or my house is just too hot, got my new i7 920 system back together and its still at 48C just in the bios |
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| 00:35.28 | mikma | adys: nvm i thought you meant the link i gave you |
| 00:36.02 | Adys | I, er |
| 00:36.07 | mikma | adys: the thing is, the spellid also gives us a clue of the target level. thats the only way of doing it |
| 00:36.21 | mikma | well... |
| 00:36.23 | Adys | and... why not just use UnitLevel? |
| 00:36.26 | mikma | not the only way |
| 00:36.52 | mikma | adys: unitlevel returns ?? if you are lowlevel and the other aint |
| 00:36.57 | Adys | ya sure |
| 00:37.01 | mikma | but.. |
| 00:37.04 | Adys | but you're dead by the time it shows on screen |
| 00:37.05 | Adys | :D |
| 00:37.15 | Shirik | and now |
| 00:37.18 | Shirik | it's going to re-download everything |
| 00:37.19 | mikma | maybe, maybe not |
| 00:37.19 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:37.25 | Adys | I'm going for a balance here |
| 00:37.29 | Adys | Do you... |
| 00:37.32 | expiation | Shirik http://wowuidev.pastey.net/120000 |
| 00:37.35 | mikma | adys: never underestimate the power of awesome |
| 00:37.41 | Adys | - Want to hardcode a list of about 3000 spells in your addon, to update every patch |
| 00:38.07 | Shirik | there, all fixed |
| 00:38.15 | Adys | - Want to hand-code a list of a few dozen spells in your addon to update very rarely, but not show the exact level if you're -10 |
| 00:38.17 | mikma | you got me convinced to use that list if UnitClass and UnitLevel fails |
| 00:38.30 | Shirik | you installed the wrong version, expiation |
| 00:38.31 | Adys | also, this might be useful for ya |
| 00:38.32 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/spells?dispel_type=5 |
| 00:38.45 | Shirik | Did you override the installer's choice? |
| 00:38.49 | expiation | nope |
| 00:38.59 | Adys | those are all stealth-type spells |
| 00:39.02 | Shirik | what version did you install |
| 00:39.16 | Tem | Okay |
| 00:39.16 | Tem | so |
| 00:39.21 | mikma | needs invisibility and shadowmeld |
| 00:39.28 | Tem | Is is possible to have a hdd that is busted |
| 00:39.33 | Shirik | You need to install the 32-bit version |
| 00:39.33 | Tem | but pass chkdsk? |
| 00:39.34 | Adys | invisibility is 7 iirc |
| 00:39.44 | Adys | no |
| 00:39.44 | Adys | 6 |
| 00:39.53 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/spells/?dispel_type=6 |
| 00:39.54 | expiation | Shirik I use vista 64bit but i will go try the 32bit version |
| 00:40.00 | Shirik | you are using 32-bit java |
| 00:40.00 | Adys | you also got |
| 00:40.00 | mikma | adys: actually there like 4x spells with different ranks i might need after all |
| 00:40.03 | Shirik | Your OS is irrelevant |
| 00:40.06 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/spells/?effects__name__icontains=stealth |
| 00:40.10 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/spells/?effects__name__icontains=invisibility |
| 00:40.14 | Adys | if you prefer those |
| 00:40.33 | Adys | sort by category, the ones uncategorized you prolly dont want |
| 00:40.40 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/60457/see-cloak-dome-internal-dnd/ |
| 00:40.42 | Adys | parenthese fail |
| 00:40.44 | mikma | stealth (ranks), prowl (ranks), invisibility (ranks) and shadowmeld |
| 00:40.56 | expiation | I have both installed, I will uninstall java totally and try again after i install 32bit alone |
| 00:41.02 | Adys | vanish too |
| 00:41.23 | mikma | oh, that one too. |
| 00:41.36 | Adys | all of those except invis are in the first link i gave you |
| 00:41.39 | Adys | invis is second link |
| 00:42.12 | Adys | also fuck you all |
| 00:42.19 | Adys | Ive been putting off some important work since 3 days =/ |
| 00:42.22 | Adys | its all your fault |
| 00:42.38 | Shirik | So um |
| 00:42.39 | Shirik | At work today |
| 00:42.48 | Shirik | I got to teach one of my coworkers how to do something in C++ muahaha |
| 00:42.58 | Shirik | intern teaching full-timer = win |
| 00:43.04 | Adys | The reporter has made the following comment: |
| 00:43.05 | Adys | Extremely rude in every post he makes. In short, he's a cunt. |
| 00:43.44 | mikma | adys: lol wut |
| 00:43.53 | mikma | who is a cunt? |
| 00:43.56 | Shirik | Adys is |
| 00:44.00 | mikma | ya |
| 00:44.02 | Adys | some post report |
| 00:44.09 | mikma | but he is our cunt <3 |
| 00:46.26 | Shirik | Last login: Mon Aug 3 22:16:50 2009 from ppp182-121.broadband.gorge.net |
| 00:46.26 | Shirik | This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? |
| 00:46.26 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ |
| 00:46.28 | Shirik | :/ |
| 00:48.55 | jaxdahl | if something was calling getcurrentdungeondifficulty, what does it need to get changed to now |
| 00:49.53 | mikma | omg omg |
| 00:50.09 | mikma | ./DDoS ppp182-121.broadband.gorge.net |
| 00:50.16 | Cloudwolf | hey any one else having problems loading into some of their characters? (gets to 100% loaded and just sticks there and eather doens't do any more or disconects you?) |
| 00:50.19 | mikma | whoops. wrong window |
| 00:50.23 | Shirik | glhf mikma |
| 00:50.31 | Shirik | My roommates are a DDoS |
| 00:50.34 | Shirik | not like you need to do it |
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| 00:50.42 | mikma | hah =) |
| 00:50.58 | mikma | shirik: remember, internet is for porn. |
| 00:51.09 | DWSR | Grab your dick and double click for porn porn porn. |
| 00:51.11 | Shirik | Cloudwolf: Disable all addons |
| 00:51.22 | mikma | shirik: my irssi is still pretty stable ;) |
| 00:51.41 | Adys | everyone ping mikma! hurray! |
| 00:51.56 | Shirik | !attack mikma |
| 00:52.06 | Shiibot | Understood, master |
| 00:52.22 | mikma | that took you a long time to write shirik |
| 00:52.36 | Shirik | I have to write out a command to do that :( |
| 00:52.42 | Shirik | So it's like twice as long, and I have to switch windows :/ |
| 00:52.48 | mikma | ya, normal botway |
| 00:53.36 | Hirsute | You know... I've been contemplating switching from 32 to 64 bit XP for a while now. Compy crashed a little while ago so I finally bit the bullet and did it. |
| 00:53.37 | Hirsute | Fail. |
| 00:53.49 | mikma | real nerd would have written the command in the other window, returned to irc, type crap press enter, switch back to window 2 press enter |
| 00:54.03 | mikma | boomboom! |
| 00:54.10 | Hirsute | The sheer amount of fail involved in drivers for 64-bit XP is staggering. |
| 00:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:54.26 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually had very little trouble with xp64 drivers |
| 00:54.32 | ZorbaTHut | besides sound card drivers which are always butt |
| 00:54.33 | Shirik | why do people even use xp 64 |
| 00:54.43 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, because we have a pile of RAM and don't like Vista |
| 00:54.49 | Hirsute | Shirik: Access to all my RAM was my major reason for switching. |
| 00:55.00 | Hirsute | And I had a license for 64-bit XP and no license for Vista. |
| 00:55.25 | Shirik | I need to get a computer with a good 16GB of ram or something |
| 00:55.26 | mikma | adys: yo yoyoyo yo, http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/5215/prowl/ <- no "obtained at level"? |
| 00:55.28 | Hirsute | And 7 is coming, so I'm not inclined to buy a license for Vista for a few months until I'm ready to switch over to 7. |
| 00:55.30 | Shirik | so Photoshop doesn't get pissed at me anymore |
| 00:55.45 | Shirik | It is not happy combining these 15kx30k pixel images |
| 00:56.38 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: Yay you! Besides the fail on drivers for two or three peripherals, there's the colossal iTunes fail as well. Stupid Apple. |
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| 00:56.58 | ZorbaTHut | oh, yeah, I've heard itunes has trouble |
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| 00:57.35 | Adys | mikma: nah Im not storing it in the db |
| 00:57.38 | Hirsute | It mostly doesn't, but the installer refuses to run on 64-bit XP, so you have to unpack the installer, change a few lines in the msi's and run them manually. |
| 00:57.40 | Adys | you've no idea how bad spells are |
| 00:58.50 | mikma | adys: crucial info =( |
| 00:58.55 | mikma | adys: i poop on you |
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| 00:59.00 | Adys | if you give me a list of id i can give you levels |
| 00:59.21 | mikma | oh ok, will take a moment to gather |
| 00:59.26 | Cloudwolf | shirik i disabled htem and it still doens't work |
| 00:59.57 | Shirik | there's some notice that the servers are doing poorly |
| 01:00.00 | Shirik | I didn't really read it |
| 01:00.03 | Shirik | maybe that's what's going on? |
| 01:00.09 | mikma | adys: any format you like me to put the id's in? |
| 01:00.19 | Adys | 123,1235 |
| 01:00.20 | Adys | etc |
| 01:00.24 | Adys | also |
| 01:00.25 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVtPnhj1BVM&feature=related |
| 01:00.26 | Adys | ughh |
| 01:00.33 | Adys | sfw but dont watch till the end |
| 01:03.07 | expiation | Shirik well it works now, thanks |
| 01:03.57 | Industrial | Adys: rofl |
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| 01:04.51 | Adys | second most |
| 01:05.55 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/8152/prowl/ |
| 01:06.09 | mikma | look the spells before and after |
| 01:08.56 | Adys | before what? |
| 01:09.20 | Adys | oh |
| 01:09.29 | Adys | yeah pretty old stuff |
| 01:09.37 | Adys | there are amazing spells in there |
| 01:10.05 | Adys | sadly im only parsing since 9947... once ill get working, i got dbcs as old as 4xxx waiting to be parsed |
| 01:11.10 | Adys | https://tools.google.com/chrome/intl/en/themes/index.html |
| 01:11.15 | Adys | there are some really cool themes |
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| 01:12.42 | Adys | ish. |
| 01:14.38 | Shirik | seriously |
| 01:14.45 | Shirik | does Windows have an equivalent for UNIX "which" ? |
| 01:14.57 | End | probably not |
| 01:15.03 | Shirik | well where the fuck is this thing |
| 01:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | echo %PATH% |
| 01:15.14 | Adys | echo $PATH |
| 01:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhere in there. |
| 01:15.17 | Adys | whatever |
| 01:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: bad |
| 01:16.05 | Shirik | Supposedly it's not in anything in the path |
| 01:16.30 | Shirik | I think it's a shell command :( |
| 01:16.33 | Shirik | which will be really bad |
| 01:16.38 | Adys | which command? |
| 01:16.41 | Shirik | mklink |
| 01:16.46 | Adys | yeah it is |
| 01:16.54 | Adys | wait |
| 01:16.55 | Shirik | well how the hell am I supposed to use that to make 20 junctions |
| 01:16.57 | Shirik | I was going to use bash |
| 01:16.59 | Shirik | but noooooooooooo |
| 01:17.58 | Arrowmaster | you were going to use bash? on windows? to run a windows shell command? |
| 01:18.50 | Shirik | Well I didn't want it to be a shell command |
| 01:18.53 | Shirik | I wanted it to be an application |
| 01:19.01 | Adys | what are you trying to do? |
| 01:19.10 | Shirik | Make a bunch of junctions |
| 01:19.24 | Shirik | think "copy 20 folders to a different place" but instead make hard links |
| 01:19.24 | Adys | I know a good plumber; where do you live? |
| 01:20.45 | mikma | adys: actually its ok, i'll get the levels from wowhead =) |
| 01:21.57 | Adys | aight |
| 01:22.22 | Shirik | I really wish they would make armor show up on druids |
| 01:22.25 | Shirik | (in form) |
| 01:22.33 | Shirik | THAT would be bad-ass |
| 01:22.38 | Adys | wut |
| 01:22.39 | Adys | what? |
| 01:22.56 | Shirik | armored bear ftw |
| 01:22.59 | Adys | wait |
| 01:23.03 | Adys | what did you want? |
| 01:23.05 | Zyndrome | WOW ... they're lifting the restriction on PvP realms |
| 01:23.22 | Shirik | what restriction |
| 01:23.24 | Zyndrome | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/19110291048-pvp-realm-restriction-removed.html |
| 01:23.32 | Zyndrome | "To prepare for this new service, we've removed the restriction that prevents players from creating both Horde and Alliance characters on a PvP realm." |
| 01:23.37 | Zyndrome | time to troll Horde as well |
| 01:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 01:23.44 | Zyndrome | "y u so fukken bad?" |
| 01:23.50 | mikma | hah |
| 01:23.54 | Shirik | ah yeah, not entirely surprised by that |
| 01:23.58 | mikma | so its intended |
| 01:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | one more reason -not- to roll on a pvp realm |
| 01:25.05 | mikma | <0423> <Zyndrome> "y u so fukken bad?" |
| 01:25.08 | mikma | priceless |
| 01:27.29 | Zyndrome | those who have multiple accounts to play on either say .. I guess they feel silly now |
| 01:27.35 | Zyndrome | either side* |
| 01:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Zyndrome: eh, only if they just recently picked up one for that purpose |
| 01:28.45 | NightHawkTheSane | the people who've had them for a few years now probably dont |
| 01:29.37 | Zyndrome | STILL SILLY ò_ó |
| 01:29.54 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE STILL SILLY |
| 01:30.10 | Zyndrome | rage.jpg |
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| 01:35.21 | xqo | hello, what is the next interface-number going to be, 30200? |
| 01:35.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes. |
| 01:35.50 | xqo | alright, thank yo |
| 01:35.51 | xqo | u |
| 01:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: plz2update |
| 01:35.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:36.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The topic TOC |
| 01:36.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 | "or people that like to spy on people full power on my PCs" - niceguy777 |
| 01:36.24 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 | "or people that like to spy on people full power on my PCs" - niceguy777 |
| 01:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | 50% of the way! |
| 01:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 01:36.58 | DWSR | Did 3.2 break much? |
| 01:37.16 | AnduinLothar | broke 6ish of my 100+ addons |
| 01:37.23 | DWSR | ah. |
| 01:37.25 | DWSR | I'm at 237 |
| 01:37.29 | DWSR | So I'm thinking maybe a dozen or so? |
| 01:37.39 | AnduinLothar | What's everyone's favorite damage meters? |
| 01:37.52 | Cloudwolf | well im able to login wiht no addons |
| 01:37.57 | Cloudwolf | it just makes me wait 5 mins ... |
| 01:38.03 | Cloudwolf | even though it loaded to 100% |
| 01:38.18 | DWSR | AnduinLothar: Recount with the absorbtion estimator. |
| 01:38.23 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: recount |
| 01:38.34 | mikma | decount |
| 01:39.01 | AnduinLothar | recount seems to be the only workign option... |
| 01:39.10 | AnduinLothar | MinnaStats still work? |
| 01:39.14 | AnduinLothar | Assessment doesn't |
| 01:39.33 | AnduinLothar | Skada was updated today |
| 01:39.34 | DWSR | Does Recount have a sync feature and is it enabled by default? |
| 01:40.57 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: My eyes |
| 01:41.20 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: no, and no. ive never really needed it to sync though |
| 01:41.57 | AnduinLothar | Shirik: dont liek skada? |
| 01:42.13 | Shirik | no, I mean my eyes are how I record damage |
| 01:42.52 | DWSR | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/recountfailbot.aspx <- Is LibFail the same library as failbot/EFails? |
| 01:45.37 | Arrowmaster | the /castrandom QQ is highly ammusing |
| 01:47.29 | Shirik | just so I'm not being stupid |
| 01:47.48 | Shirik | you can't put a meta gem in a belt buckle, right? |
| 01:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 01:49.06 | VonhintenHOME` | new boss in wintergrasp not there? |
| 01:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | meta gems ONLY go in meta socks. |
| 01:49.14 | VonhintenHOME` | or do you have to kill the other 2 first? |
| 01:49.26 | Relcuse | a="hi"; a="hello" generates garbage, right? very tiny amount, but... |
| 01:50.03 | Wobin | if you're that worried about the garbage, you perhaps need a complete redesign =) |
| 01:50.03 | ZorbaTHut | what happened to /castrandom? |
| 01:50.21 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: It's just the sockets look exactly the same |
| 01:50.31 | ZorbaTHut | relcuse, it does, but only if nobody else has a "hi" string |
| 01:50.32 | Shirik | Relcuse: Technically, no |
| 01:50.34 | Shirik | actually |
| 01:50.41 | Shirik | because those have to be stored in the constants table anyway |
| 01:50.47 | Shirik | so there is no garbage |
| 01:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: but, the are different sockets. should have different tooltips i believe too |
| 01:51.02 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I get that, just by looking at them you couldn't tell |
| 01:51.19 | Shirik | however, Relcuse, if you were to actually CREATE a string that were non-constant, then yes |
| 01:51.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: well.. the fact that ones in a belt, and the other's in a helm is.. a reasonably obvious giveaway ;) |
| 01:51.29 | Shirik | but no, that creates no garbage |
| 01:51.35 | Shirik | it just creates an inaccessible string |
| 01:51.46 | Relcuse | Wobin: lol, well it's the priciple I was curious about is all. Shirik: Hmm, and what of a="hi"; a=nil; a="hello" ? |
| 01:52.03 | Arrowmaster | everything creates garbage |
| 01:52.03 | Shirik | no, because again, "hi" needs tobe stored in the constants table |
| 01:52.11 | Shirik | which is internal to Lua, you can't see it |
| 01:52.11 | Relcuse | I see. |
| 01:52.17 | Relcuse | right |
| 01:52.22 | Wobin | well, that's a redefinition of garbage =) |
| 01:52.32 | Wobin | into 'stuff that can be collected by the GC' |
| 01:52.32 | Shirik | Well it depends on how you define garbage, I guess, then |
| 01:52.42 | Wobin | instead of "unusable memory" or the like |
| 01:52.44 | Shirik | It can't be collected by the GC, therefore by my definition, it's not garbage |
| 01:53.00 | Wobin | true |
| 01:53.02 | Relcuse | now, if you toss that a there into a table things change? |
| 01:53.07 | Wobin | no |
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| 01:53.17 | Wobin | well, aside from the memory assigned to the creation of the table |
| 01:53.30 | Shirik | yes, that's garbage. Also, this is garbage: |
| 01:53.33 | Wobin | but the string remains constant in it's memory use |
| 01:53.34 | Relcuse | you'd only make garbage by losing the reference to the table itself |
| 01:53.36 | Shirik | a = "foo"..1; a = nil; |
| 01:53.44 | Shirik | the string created "foo1" is garbage because it's not a constant |
| 01:53.54 | Shirik | so it will be collected |
| 01:54.19 | Relcuse | =o |
| 01:54.29 | Relcuse | Well that's interesting. |
| 01:54.36 | Shirik | for x = 1, 10 do a = "foo"..x; end |
| 01:54.41 | Shirik | that creates 9 garbage strings |
| 01:54.46 | Arrowmaster | how is that different from a = "foo"; a = nil |
| 01:54.52 | Shirik | because "foo" is in the constants table |
| 01:55.07 | Shirik | it cannot be collected; it has to stay there |
| 01:55.24 | Shirik | it's also not "creating" anything, it's already created at runtime |
| 01:55.30 | Shirik | it just pulls it out of the constants table with a LOADK |
| 01:55.38 | Shirik | by contrast, "foo"..1 has to be created |
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| 01:57.34 | Relcuse | I was trying to weigh the pros/cons of setting a recycled table'd vars to nil (erasing the data), as opposed to simply overwriting them when reusing the table, but i guess it doesn't really matter then. |
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| 01:59.35 | VonhintenHOME` | Seriously, how do you get the 3rd Wintergrasp boss to spawn? |
| 01:59.52 | sacarasc | Isn't he just there? |
| 01:59.56 | VonhintenHOME` | no |
| 02:00.01 | VonhintenHOME` | hall is totally empty |
| 02:00.36 | Shirik | omg I hate web apps that try to be overly-intelligent |
| 02:00.38 | Legorol | Has anyone checked out yet the new JC designs? |
| 02:00.40 | Shirik | I can't download Sun's JDK now |
| 02:00.42 | Legorol | How many tokens do they cost? |
| 02:00.44 | Shirik | because it's going to the wrong version |
| 02:00.46 | Shirik | and refuses to let me go back |
| 02:08.08 | Industrial | wishes websites would just put a normal sized (no buttons for retards) link for their stuff on the main page or under the download page, not 5-6 pages under that |
| 02:08.33 | Industrial | are you sure? wouldn't you rather use our automagic downloader that you'd have to install and configure first? |
| 02:10.07 | Wobin | Industrial: hello Curse? =P |
| 02:10.41 | Dagmar | I didn't notice a whole lot of "configuring" being required |
| 02:18.43 | Aqua | Someone mind telling me why this won't work correctly, i can't get it too make a button the InterfaceOptionsPanel http://wowuidev.pastey.net/120005 |
| 02:20.47 | Adys | night all |
| 02:20.57 | Aqua | night |
| 02:21.56 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110291048&sid=1 |
| 02:22.04 | Kraps | does not compute |
| 02:22.40 | Aqua | wow |
| 02:25.24 | Wobin | ... |
| 02:25.47 | Dagmar | Ugh. ArkInventory won't update it's frame. The world is officially ending now. |
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| 02:30.23 | Cloudwolf | Ok out of flat out curiosity has any one ever seen a level 10 rogue with 850 hp? |
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| 02:30.42 | Cloudwolf | with a stam buff that was >.> |
| 02:30.46 | Kraps | WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS CHANGE MEAN? |
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| 02:34.34 | NightHawkTheSane | it means exactly what he says it means. l2read. |
| 02:37.53 | Wobin | It means YOU CAN SPY NOW |
| 02:38.54 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSan1 brings happiness to the world. 16.3% lines contained smiling faces. :) |
| 02:39.00 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane cheated |
| 02:39.04 | Shirik | using his alt name |
| 02:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | less cheating, more crappy internet and laziness |
| 02:40.53 | Shirik | :/ |
| 02:41.06 | Shirik | Shirik talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 1 times! |
| 02:41.06 | Shirik | Another lonely one was Shirik__, who managed to hit 1 times. |
| 02:41.08 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 02:41.33 | NightHawkTheSane | its true, you do talk to yourself :P |
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| 02:53.00 | Lukian | how do you get the new voa boss? |
| 02:53.03 | Lukian | the left is empty |
| 02:53.39 | Shirik | Server first Icehowl kill |
| 02:53.44 | Shirik | And I got the killing blow |
| 02:53.45 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 02:55.09 | Dagmar | We're still a bit lagged to even think about that |
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| 02:56.28 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 02:56.43 | Dagmar | Okay. I've got *no* idea how to fix this on WoWWiki |
| 02:57.05 | Lukian | do you need to set 25 player (heroic) for the new voa boss? |
| 02:57.18 | Dagmar | Look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Icehowl while not logged in. The 10-man abilities have visible <b>bold</b> tags around 'em. Login and they're gone. |
| 02:57.31 | tem | Shirik, I'm jealous |
| 02:57.38 | tem | I still can't patch |
| 02:57.38 | Dagmar | Logout, they're back. Fun stylesheet difference that |
| 02:57.47 | Legorol | i'm ultrajelous, i don't even have patch yet :*( |
| 02:57.56 | Dagmar | Legorol: Rapidshare yo |
| 02:58.02 | Legorol | EU doesn't have patch yet |
| 02:58.33 | Zyndrome | http://www.themostamazingwebsiteontheinternet.com/ |
| 02:58.39 | Legorol | oooh, it just started downloading the last part of the patch! woot |
| 02:59.12 | Legorol | muhaha, last piece coming in at over 500 kb/s |
| 02:59.13 | Legorol | nice nice |
| 02:59.49 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm thikning I must have preloaded that last bit |
| 03:00.04 | Dagmar | I bounced off the wiki and got only the 400mb file... didn't even scroll down. |
| 03:00.07 | Dagmar | It all applied anyway |
| 03:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | this is bordering on insanity: http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/ninjawords |
| 03:05.11 | Legorol | dagmar: i preloaded both big chunks, and had to download only 7 Mb or so now |
| 03:06.26 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.29 | Wobin | 'snatch' |
| 03:06.57 | Wobin | methinks someone is being an ass about it at apple =P |
| 03:08.27 | Dagmar | I guess this means you can use all manner of verbiage in your complaints to Apple's management, knowing they'll have no idea what those words mean. |
| 03:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont even know whats going on. the kinds of crazy stupid things that happen with the app store reviews is.. well, crazy |
| 03:08.59 | Dagmar | Yeah their metrics for rejecting apps are insane. |
| 03:09.16 | NightHawkTheSane | its one of the things that makes me hesitate to get an iphone |
| 03:09.32 | Wobin | They should sell it on Cydia =P |
| 03:09.36 | Wobin | I'd buy it there! |
| 03:09.52 | Dagmar | Well, if it makes any difference, I'm about to buy a Palm 800w on eBay practically to spite apple |
| 03:10.05 | Wobin | That'll show them! |
| 03:10.24 | Dagmar | My gf complains about the battery life on hers, but I think she drastically underestimates how much time she spends talking on the phone |
| 03:10.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: meh, i have no illusions that my choice (or yours) will "spite" apple |
| 03:10.46 | Wobin | indeed |
| 03:10.51 | Wobin | buy what works for you |
| 03:10.51 | Corrodias_2 | the fact that the company pushing it is a bunch of control freaks makes you hesitate to get the product? whatever for? |
| 03:10.55 | NightHawkTheSane | but if it makes you feel better, thats fine :) |
| 03:11.10 | Dagmar | I need to replace my Palm T|X, and my Razor V3m has about had it (battery life, about eight hours lol and the bluetooth range is about four feet) |
| 03:11.24 | Dagmar | I'm sayin' you don't "have" to get an iPhone |
| 03:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: this is a level of 'control freak' that is a step beyond anything else |
| 03:11.36 | Wobin | hugs his Palm T|X |
| 03:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: oh, yeah, i've got a g1 right now, i'm digging android |
| 03:11.45 | Wobin | It saved me so many times in China =P |
| 03:11.48 | Corrodias | well, i was being sarcastic |
| 03:12.02 | Dagmar | Wobin: I'm also looking forward to never using that STINKING PIECE OF CRAP Blazer ever again |
| 03:12.03 | Wobin | <3 chinese dictionaries |
| 03:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: also, cydia looks neat, i hadn't seen that before |
| 03:12.14 | Corrodias | i thought it was sort of a given that apple was nuts |
| 03:12.19 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: hehe you have to jailbreak more, I guess =) |
| 03:12.26 | Dagmar | Wobin: I can't believe that they still think that browser is fine |
| 03:12.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: see aforementioned comment about using an android phone. ;) |
| 03:12.37 | Wobin | Dagmar: inorite? It's next to useless |
| 03:12.49 | Dagmar | Wobin: It crash-resets my Palm daily |
| 03:12.50 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: how you finding it? |
| 03:13.05 | NightHawkTheSane | I like it a lot. |
| 03:13.17 | Wobin | I mean, I have an iphone atm, but I didn't actually buy it. I inherited it =P |
| 03:13.33 | Wobin | thus the jailbreaking to get past the baseband lock |
| 03:13.49 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the only thing the iphone -really- has over android is the app store. |
| 03:14.01 | NightHawkTheSane | androids marketplace is nice, and there's some cool stuff, but its hard to compare. |
| 03:14.13 | Wobin | yeah =\ |
| 03:14.25 | Wobin | and the number of people developing for Apple over Android |
| 03:14.37 | Wobin | it's the MS/Apple issue =) |
| 03:14.42 | Wobin | but Apple/Android instead |
| 03:14.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, kinda. |
| 03:14.53 | Corrodias | are there laptops that can run WoW reasonably? |
| 03:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: yes |
| 03:15.04 | Corrodias | i guess i walked into that one |
| 03:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: the question is, what type of battery life do they get |
| 03:15.15 | Corrodias | what i actually meant to ask is more what it requires |
| 03:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And, what you define as 'reasonably' |
| 03:15.26 | Wobin | hm |
| 03:15.32 | Wobin | I'd buy Ninjawords... |
| 03:15.37 | Wobin | but I don't really have a need for a dictionary |
| 03:15.38 | Corrodias | good question. i'm asking for somebody, so i'll get back to you in a sec |
| 03:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 03:15.55 | Dagmar | Maybe get something with an nVidia 9600 in it |
| 03:16.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: i'd buy ninjawords just because its an awesome idea |
| 03:16.13 | Legorol | wahey, i'm patched! |
| 03:16.18 | Wobin | You'd buy it cause it has 'ninja' in the title =P |
| 03:16.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ... well.. maybe. ;) |
| 03:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | The very latest intel GPUs will run it acceptably, though not at huge resolutions with max details |
| 03:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And anything that any laptop ships above that (ATI or NV) will run it fine |
| 03:17.22 | Corrodias | aha, figured they had to be keeping up |
| 03:17.53 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: as far as I can see, functionally, it's only different due to a different lookup source |
| 03:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | In general, the intel GPUs will eat less battery though |
| 03:18.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: well, the presentation is fairly clean too. not a lot of the esoteric stuff you might not care about |
| 03:18.36 | Dagmar | I've got a VAIO with the centrino chipset. I woudn't call what it does "acceptably" |
| 03:18.59 | Dagmar | It's barely fast enough to handle hanging out at the auction house and doing "running around the woods" quests |
| 03:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a c2d with an everything intel (quite literally) |
| 03:19.02 | dardack | i just got a laptop with the nvidia 260m gtx |
| 03:19.03 | Wobin | but really, for me, it'd have to have much more ninja for me to buy it, since I don't really need a dictionary at all =) |
| 03:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll run WoW fine, if I installed windows |
| 03:19.11 | dardack | wow runs great in wine, not just great freaking awesome |
| 03:19.15 | Wobin | I need more gimmick =P |
| 03:19.35 | Corrodias | i think we've got this figured out now. thanks! |
| 03:20.03 | NightHawkTheSane | considers replaying lego star wars.. |
| 03:20.20 | dardack | can't stand intel graphics personally |
| 03:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I bought a laptop with an intel GPU just for the intel GPU (linux support...) |
| 03:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I dropped the win7 RC on it, and it was able to play war3 at max details at 1680x1050 |
| 03:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW at medium detail is quite comparable |
| 03:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (able to play at ~30FPS) |
| 03:21.50 | dardack | wait your saying an Intel GPU has linux support? |
| 03:21.59 | dardack | cause that just make no sense to me |
| 03:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yes. FAR better support than either ATI or NV |
| 03:22.07 | dardack | hell no |
| 03:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Worlds better support |
| 03:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes? |
| 03:22.13 | dardack | NV best ever |
| 03:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 03:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You're ignoring the licensing and kernel integration bits |
| 03:22.28 | dardack | been buying nvidia for eyars just becasue of that |
| 03:22.29 | dardack | eh |
| 03:22.36 | dardack | i'm not free as in speech person |
| 03:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't get me wrong, I have an NV card in my desktop |
| 03:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But the drivers are a serious pain to maintain |
| 03:22.49 | dardack | as long as it work and well |
| 03:23.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't count the times I had to rebuild wine because I had to update the NV drivers because I had a kernel update |
| 03:23.08 | dardack | maintain? i install the restricted drivers once on my previous machine, 3 years late rno problems |
| 03:23.15 | dardack | ahh |
| 03:23.17 | dardack | that part |
| 03:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That part |
| 03:23.26 | dardack | i feel that |
| 03:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, in-kernel supported drivers are *awesome* |
| 03:23.30 | kd3 | yay server lag |
| 03:23.39 | dardack | my server is kinda down |
| 03:23.49 | dardack | sux for my freind he did occ, cleared, killed boss, when to loot bam |
| 03:23.51 | dardack | done |
| 03:23.54 | dardack | that was the daily btw |
| 03:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I have hardware supported video decoding, kernel modeswitching, and 0 driver issues to deal with in -any- aspect |
| 03:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Much lower maint than the NV official drivers and perfectly acceptable performance |
| 03:24.31 | dardack | eh i'll still take the NV drivers, and depennds wha tyou consider acceptable |
| 03:24.45 | Cloudwolf | Well my servers scrued.... |
| 03:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not using it for gaming, I'll say that |
| 03:24.58 | dardack | ok then yea |
| 03:25.12 | dardack | prolly ok, although for my mythtv box i put in an nvidia |
| 03:25.36 | dardack | for VDPUDA (w/e it's spelled) and HD tv playback help |
| 03:25.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 03:25.46 | Dagmar | VDPAU. |
| 03:25.58 | dardack | yea that thing |
| 03:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The latest intel driver is getting there in terms of advanced features |
| 03:26.12 | kd3 | vdpau <3 |
| 03:26.24 | kd3 | not that I need the processor power, but still |
| 03:26.34 | dardack | it is moving along, i will say intel has done a good job with other things (ie wireless driver rules) for linux |
| 03:27.06 | ScytheBlade1 | But, for my *laptop* - the battery usage, performance, driver quality, featureset, and level of needed maint are what sold me |
| 03:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | If I wanted to game on it, I would have possibly picked up an NV card for it instead |
| 03:27.21 | dardack | when your building a tiny box to pipe mythtv HD Tv content through, that can help alot esp if you go with a low power, no fan cpu option |
| 03:27.57 | dardack | well since server seems borked gonna head to bed |
| 03:28.09 | Cloudwolf | dardack what server? |
| 03:28.15 | ScytheBlade1 | My mythbox is an older AMD dual core |
| 03:28.15 | dardack | at least i got 12 badges tonite, and new instnace, which 219 in a 5 man? dang |
| 03:28.17 | dardack | draenor |
| 03:28.28 | Cloudwolf | mine doesn't even populate my character list |
| 03:28.28 | dardack | my server is an older AMD single core |
| 03:28.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I just built the multithreaded version of mplayer and tada |
| 03:28.45 | dardack | servers as web site/mythtv host |
| 03:28.46 | Cloudwolf | I have no idea waht my server is |
| 03:28.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 1080p h264 decoding, flawless play |
| 03:28.58 | dardack | now that's ncie |
| 03:29.14 | dardack | right now i'm just running with a hacked appletv for now |
| 03:29.29 | dardack | for a frontend |
| 03:29.41 | dardack | like no power and no noise |
| 03:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I really wish I had a silent mythbox, it'd be nice |
| 03:30.38 | dardack | i'm suprised how easy the appletv was to get working, i mean if it hasn't been used for a bit the menu will lag for like 30 seconds when you first pick up remote, and loading the tv listings can take a bit, but playback is flawless |
| 03:31.03 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: i think it might have been somebody in here with a screenshot of them playing one 1080p and six 720p videos at once in linux on an i7 |
| 03:31.07 | NightHawkTheSane | hacked appletvs ftw |
| 03:31.11 | dardack | just no vdpau on it, older nv in it sucks |
| 03:31.15 | dardack | so no h264 |
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| 03:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: that was me |
| 03:31.45 | ScytheBlade1 | digs up said screenshot |
| 03:31.48 | dardack | NightHawkTheSane: true dat |
| 03:31.51 | anesthesia | um..i am stuck on retrieving character list? |
| 03:32.04 | dardack | we all seem to be havi |
| 03:32.12 | dardack | yea my server is basically borked right now |
| 03:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/boat.png <-- one of the screenshots |
| 03:32.58 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: i wish i could get the debian testing installer working so i could mess with my new box, i7 920 and an evga 275 superclocked edition |
| 03:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/videos.png the other |
| 03:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: nice |
| 03:33.40 | anesthesia | this kinda sucks.... |
| 03:34.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: fwiw, those screenshots are fedora |
| 03:37.15 | dardack | yea i'm out |
| 03:37.19 | dardack | cya all tomorrow |
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| 03:49.46 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 03:49.53 | Shirik | We just got the "Nerf Scrapbots" achievement totally by accident |
| 03:49.56 | Shirik | during a wipe |
| 03:50.15 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.flickr.com/photos/40111717@N02/3791143850/sizes/m/ |
| 03:50.45 | sacarasc | Shirik: Done the new boss, then? |
| 03:50.49 | Shirik | um |
| 03:50.51 | Shirik | yeah >.> |
| 03:51.05 | sacarasc | Did you get the world first! :O |
| 03:51.11 | Shirik | huh? |
| 03:51.16 | sacarasc | Hehe. |
| 03:51.29 | sacarasc | Releasing one boss at a time is stupid. |
| 03:51.57 | tem | Shirik, people wipe to XT? |
| 03:51.58 | tem | fail |
| 03:52.02 | Shirik | um, they changed the fight |
| 03:52.16 | sacarasc | It's apparently sending out a lot more bots now. |
| 03:52.21 | Shirik | the adds just go nuts, and we were trying to enter hard mode |
| 03:52.39 | Zyndrome | they say its bugged |
| 03:52.42 | Zyndrome | or assume |
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| 03:53.16 | tem | they changed the fight? |
| 03:53.22 | NightHawkTheSane | who is "they"? |
| 03:53.33 | Shirik | Blizzard? |
| 03:53.35 | Zyndrome | "them" |
| 03:53.38 | tem | also, I haven't done easy mode XT in a couple months |
| 03:53.45 | Zyndrome | they = raiders :p |
| 03:53.45 | Shirik | yes, there's like at least 3 times as many adds |
| 03:53.51 | tem | oh wow |
| 03:53.55 | ZorbaTHut | so are the 25-man heroic instances roughly equivalent to "hard mode"? |
| 03:54.31 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM is roughly equivalent to "hard mode" |
| 03:55.03 | ZorbaTHut | *your* mom is roughly equivalent to "easy mode" |
| 03:55.07 | Wobin | well, it's better than your mom, who is easy mode |
| 03:55.22 | Wobin | high5's ZorbaTHut |
| 03:55.24 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk you just set yourself up for such an obvious counterburn that two people did it |
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| 03:55.25 | ZorbaTHut | feel shame |
| 03:55.27 | ZorbaTHut | *shame* |
| 03:55.50 | Pytlask | Anybody else who runs WoW on Wine getting weird cursor flickering with 3.2? |
| 03:55.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, you just got burned harder than I do |
| 03:56.40 | Pytlask | nm, running client directly instead of through launcher fixed it |
| 03:57.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut, Wobin: it's funny, cause its true. :) |
| 03:57.35 | ZorbaTHut | man, runed orb price hasn't crashed yet on my server :P |
| 03:59.32 | expiation | minion doesnt find sellfish but its on wowi |
| 03:59.53 | expiation | its because its classed as outdated? |
| 04:00.32 | Cairenn | I believe we have it set that it ignores the outdated category, yes, but Shirik or Dolby will have to confirm |
| 04:00.42 | Shirik | that is correct |
| 04:00.44 | expiation | ok cool |
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| 04:06.27 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 04:06.27 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:06.34 | End | ~ding |
| 04:06.35 | purl | dong |
| 04:06.39 | End | ~wing |
| 04:06.40 | purl | wong |
| 04:06.59 | Atriace | Nice to see the usual suspects still here. :) |
| 04:07.12 | End | I'm not suspicious at all |
| 04:09.27 | Atriace | Question: I've looked on the UI & Macros forum for code changes and the post I came up with was very short (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031134556&sid=1). Furthermore, after checking wowwiki.com and wowprogramming.com/docs/api, neither one indicates what became of the deprecated function I used to use; in this case "GetDifficultyColor" |
| 04:10.09 | Atriace | Can someone point me to the right resource I'm looking for? |
| 04:13.17 | Dagmar | *Probably* change it to GetQuestDifficultyColor |
| 04:13.22 | Dagmar | I'm assuming you mistyped the keyword |
| 04:13.51 | Dagmar | I've had a few things burp up an error on that today |
| 04:14.26 | Atriace | No, this is the unit difficulty color function. |
| 04:14.33 | Atriace | At least it used to be. |
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| 04:18.23 | Dagmar | Man I'm glad they fixed the normalized height upon teleporting thing |
| 04:18.54 | Dagmar | I just zoomed through the top of the gate in Sholazar without paying the least bit of attention to that I had about 20% HP |
| 04:19.18 | Dagmar | WTF is with people on a PvE server acting like rabid maniacs when they see you wobbling about with a yellow name. *sigh* |
| 04:20.59 | Dagmar | I'd also kinda like to know why it is that it's the guys who don't BG much (and die fast) who invariably try it |
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| 04:47.14 | Neffykins | Is there any simple way to achieve the equivalent of fontstring:SetMaxWidth(n)? |
| 04:47.27 | ccox | If you have trouble getting the orphan quest in Dalaran - log out, disable addons, log in, get it, then logout and re-enable addons |
| 04:47.34 | ccox | there is some sort of secure button conflict |
| 04:48.03 | Neffykins | I need the fontstring to be dynamically sized so I can't manually :SetWidth(). Right now I'm looping and subing off the last character over and over until I achieve a width <= n. That seems like a terrible way of doing things though. |
| 04:49.42 | ccox | BTW - is Ulduar bugged, or does 25 man heroic really mean "harder than 25 man used to be"? |
| 04:50.12 | Neffykins | Oh nevermind. SetWidth(0) returns it back to dynamic sizing. |
| 04:54.42 | A-KO | hmmmm that's fail, GetMerchantItemMaxStack() for reagents returns the maximum stack you can buy, but if you do that on waters (which stack in 5) it returns 1.... |
| 04:57.59 | Neffykins | Any item which is sold in lots (1 or more) returns 1 on that |
| 04:58.08 | Neffykins | Use GetItemInfo to find out the stack size |
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| 04:59.09 | A-KO | not true |
| 04:59.13 | A-KO | symbols of kings |
| 04:59.15 | A-KO | returns 20 |
| 05:00.13 | Neffykins | Then I guess it isn't "all". I read that on the WoWWiki page and confirmed that it happens for food and water at least. |
| 05:00.19 | A-KO | epic fail |
| 05:00.21 | Neffykins | So in any case it's not reliable |
| 05:00.24 | A-KO | almost bankrupted myself on water :P |
| 05:00.28 | A-KO | yeah |
| 05:00.50 | Neffykins | What're you doing, auto-restocking water? |
| 05:00.54 | A-KO | yes |
| 05:00.57 | Neffykins | You don't need to check the max stack size |
| 05:01.15 | Neffykins | Just divide the number you need to reach the desired amount by the lot size being sold |
| 05:01.15 | A-KO | I do when I want to auto restock reagents also :P and buy as many in 1 stack as possible |
| 05:01.29 | Neffykins | Make sure your desired amount is simply an even stack |
| 05:01.29 | A-KO | yes that's the problem, on the reagent vendor, the lot size = 1 |
| 05:01.37 | A-KO | but maxstack = 20 |
| 05:01.46 | A-KO | on the innkeeper, lot size = 5, maxstack = 1 |
| 05:02.27 | Neffykins | Why are you using maxstack? |
| 05:02.30 | Neffykins | sec |
| 05:02.47 | A-KO | so it buys as many as possible in 1 buymerchantitem() function |
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| 05:03.04 | A-KO | but I guess I'll do it your way I see what you're saying :P |
| 05:03.16 | A-KO | it just means that when it attempts to stock reagents |
| 05:03.19 | Neffykins | Note I haven't actually tested this yet, but this is what I wrote last night: http://pastebay.com/35736 |
| 05:03.21 | A-KO | it's going to buy individually |
| 05:03.24 | Cliyeh | hello is this the wow emu irc channel? |
| 05:03.28 | Neffykins | Looks like it'd work without even worrying about max stack size |
| 05:03.29 | A-KO | no... |
| 05:03.52 | Neffykins | note 'stack' is lot size |
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| 05:04.36 | Shirik | Wow |
| 05:04.42 | Shirik | Cliyeh didn't even give me a chance to yell at him |
| 05:04.43 | Shirik | fuck |
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| 05:07.08 | Nechckn | Hi, is this the wow EMO channel? |
| 05:07.16 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.19 | A-KO | here's to hoping I don't bankrupt myself with this addon ;P |
| 05:07.19 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 05:08.49 | Duman | heh |
| 05:09.14 | Neffykins | A-KO: Tested. My script properly buys enough food once I fixed the typo: has > wanted => wanted > has |
| 05:09.20 | A-KO | lol |
| 05:09.58 | A-KO | okay I think mine works |
| 05:10.21 | A-KO | I made it print rather than buy the item :P |
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| 05:12.47 | A-KO | okay it works off the lot size now |
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| 05:15.24 | Thunder_Child | cuts Nechckn |
| 05:17.43 | Nechckn | Thank you, TC |
| 05:18.21 | Cairenn | hugs everyone |
| 05:18.30 | A-KO | well Neffykins thanks for that :P |
| 05:18.42 | Neffykins | no problem |
| 05:21.29 | zenzio | holds onto Cairenn quite inappropriately |
| 05:21.51 | Cairenn | chuckles at zenzio |
| 05:24.16 | Nechckn | wait.. hugging, chuckles... people who want to live?!??! This isn't the wow emo channel!!! |
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| 05:24.33 | Nechckn | hmph.. TC had me going there, too. |
| 05:24.49 | zenzio | not at this time of day at least Nechckn |
| 05:25.03 | Cairenn | tackles Nechckn to the ground and tickles him till he wets himself |
| 05:25.21 | Cairenn | emo that! |
| 05:25.24 | Nechckn | that's more like it!! now cut my back with that butter knife, Cairenn |
| 05:25.33 | Nechckn | oh.yes.oh.yes. |
| 05:25.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:25.41 | Nechckn | finishes. |
| 05:25.44 | Nechckn | Ahhhhhh |
| 05:25.54 | Cairenn | you're a very disturbed individual, Nechckn |
| 05:25.55 | Nechckn | Thanks Cairenn, that helped! |
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| 05:26.25 | Nechckn | and Thunder_Child missed the whole thing! ha, awesome. |
| 05:27.34 | zenzio | don't worry, he never gets it anyway |
| 05:27.39 | Thunder_Child | i can always ~log it |
| 05:29.02 | Shirik | Nechckn |
| 05:29.09 | Shirik | there is something severely wrong with you |
| 05:30.16 | A-KO | hmm |
| 05:30.19 | Nechckn | Shirik I'm just waiting for you to come home, then you will get your comeuppance |
| 05:30.22 | A-KO | anyone know where in icecrown the cultist camp is? |
| 05:30.25 | A-KO | for the new dailies? |
| 05:30.30 | Shirik | as long as Cairenn is with you, I'm ok with that |
| 05:30.47 | Cairenn | chuckles |
| 05:31.08 | Nechckn | I don't usually share, Shirik |
| 05:31.20 | Nechckn | but, I suppose if Cairenn is up for it |
| 05:31.23 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:31.29 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 05:31.34 | Cairenn | 2 weeks tomorrow! |
| 05:31.52 | Sargeras | YAY! |
| 05:31.56 | Shirik | 2 weeks? |
| 05:32.03 | Nechckn | Then I can write to Zam and let them know how I got screwed by WoWinterface! |
| 05:32.05 | Cairenn | BC |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik | ah |
| 05:32.13 | Nechckn | <.< |
| 05:32.29 | Shirik | 2 weeks until I'm back in school, right |
| 05:32.29 | Nechckn | >.> |
| 05:32.40 | Cairenn | =/ |
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| 05:41.43 | Shirik | !api dungeondifficulty |
| 05:41.43 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'dungeondifficulty': SetDungeonDifficulty, GetDungeonDifficulty |
| 05:42.33 | kd3 | mm... c'mon new toy. ship! |
| 05:45.25 | Thunder_Child | anyone know what the uncore clock is? |
| 05:46.45 | Shirik | is it a clock without a core? |
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| 05:47.47 | ReAn | poor Shirik, Cairenn & others, today is prolly hell w/ all the addon updates to approve :( |
| 05:47.57 | Thunder_Child | "CPU Uncore Frequency - Speed of the L3 cache and Integrated Memory Controller" |
| 05:47.59 | Cairenn | it's been busy, yes |
| 05:48.06 | Shirik | File Queue (0) |
| 05:48.07 | Thunder_Child | though it still doesnt help all that much |
| 05:48.07 | Shirik | >.> |
| 05:48.11 | ReAn | 0 ? |
| 05:48.15 | ReAn | mine should be in there |
| 05:48.21 | Cairenn | because I just finished approving a bunch |
| 05:48.23 | Shirik | definitely says 0 |
| 05:48.29 | ReAn | hiyai! |
| 05:48.33 | ReAn | fast :) |
| 05:48.36 | Cairenn | yep |
| 05:48.38 | ReAn | <3 |
| 05:48.42 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:48.50 | End | nui much? |
| 05:49.01 | ReAn | nui is nice |
| 05:50.17 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/04/funny-pictures-draw-the-line/ |
| 05:50.28 | Cairenn | heheh |
| 05:52.11 | Shirik | sigh |
| 05:52.20 | Shirik | ok, I may not "get" the whole lolcat meme |
| 05:52.23 | Cairenn | hugs Shirik |
| 05:52.32 | Shirik | but why do we even have people making these posts if they're not going to stick to it |
| 05:52.59 | zenzio | which posts? You're not reading the comments, are you? |
| 05:53.04 | Shirik | I meant the picture itself |
| 05:53.23 | Shirik | which is in perfect english |
| 05:53.52 | ReAn | *sigh* i need to think of a way to get a cloak >_> tired of being cloakless & exposed |
| 05:53.53 | zenzio | sometimes the picture is funny enough without using catspeak |
| 05:54.46 | Shirik | I would actually like to do a study |
| 05:54.53 | Shirik | of how much of the internet consists of random stupidity |
| 05:55.17 | VonhintenHOME` | you don't really need to do a study... the answer is "Most of it" |
| 05:55.42 | Shirik | well supposedly a study was done for that question on "porn" which I would have thought had the same answer |
| 05:55.47 | Shirik | and the real answer was less than 10% |
| 05:55.50 | VonhintenHOME` | the internet is a sessed pool |
| 05:55.58 | Cairenn | ReAn: cloak? in game or ? |
| 05:56.15 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i hope so |
| 05:56.22 | Shirik | I think he means freenode... |
| 05:56.31 | Cairenn | that's what I was asking :) |
| 05:56.37 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: I don't know, running around exposed in real life can be entertaining |
| 05:56.42 | ReAn | Freenode Cloak |
| 05:56.43 | Thunder_Child | oh...i was thinking flasher w/o the cloak |
| 05:57.14 | Cairenn | so tell me what you want, it has to start @WoWUIDev\whatever |
| 05:57.18 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, and short |
| 05:57.31 | ReAn | WoWIUDev\RuneWatch ? |
| 05:57.41 | Cairenn | why runewatch? |
| 05:57.46 | ReAn | cuz it's my mod? |
| 05:57.55 | ReAn | :p |
| 05:57.58 | ReAn | *shrug* |
| 05:58.09 | Cairenn | only one you've written, only one you ever plan on writing? |
| 05:58.12 | Shirik | Gneerally your cloak would end in your name. So something like |
| 05:58.22 | Shirik | WoWUIDev/RuneWatch/Author/ReAn |
| 05:58.23 | Cairenn | most people put 'affiliations' and then their nick |
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| 05:58.45 | ReAn | eh, nevermind then |
| 05:58.48 | Shirik | I'm an exception |
| 05:58.48 | ReAn | it dosen't matter |
| 05:59.04 | Shirik | I do something completely unreadable |
| 05:59.14 | Shirik | I guess it's better than Conspiracy/Developer/Shirik |
| 05:59.27 | Cairenn | it can just be WoWUIDev/ReAn if you want |
| 05:59.39 | Cairenn | there are others that have kept it as short and sweet as that |
| 05:59.42 | Cairenn | you wouldn't be alone |
| 05:59.46 | kd3 | <-- |
| 05:59.51 | ReAn | is it changeable in the future? |
| 05:59.54 | Cairenn | Iriel |
| 05:59.59 | Shirik | should put minion in it! |
| 06:00.07 | ReAn | who me? |
| 06:00.44 | ReAn | i just do ticket housekeeping, but i'll pimp minion in my nick :p |
| 06:00.54 | ReAn | er |
| 06:00.56 | ReAn | cloak |
| 06:02.10 | Cairenn | well, it's not hard to get one, just decide what you want and let me know |
| 06:02.21 | Shirik | points Cairenn at other channels |
| 06:02.30 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 06:13.13 | Shadowed | Cairenn can I get WoWUIDev/Awesome/Shadowed |
| 06:13.23 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:13.31 | Shirik | Cairenn doesn't lie |
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| 06:21.16 | Relcuse | Hmm, is it possible to obtain a unit's class using only their guid? (as in, no unitID available) |
| 06:21.32 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 06:21.48 | Relcuse | ah, interesting :) |
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| 06:24.50 | Wobin | Cairenn: can I get WoWUIDev/dWonderdog/Wobin ? =) |
| 06:24.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:25.30 | Wobin | oh better put the apostraphe in there "d'Wonderdog" =) |
| 06:27.19 | Esamynn | ~sigh Wobin |
| 06:27.20 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Wobin!" |
| 06:27.46 | Wobin | Esamynn: whut? =P It was my original nick, waaaay back when I first used it |
| 06:27.57 | Wobin | (on the Discworld MUD) |
| 06:28.38 | Esamynn | sigh, I give, I'll fix Gatherer/Astrolabe tomorrow |
| 06:28.47 | Esamynn | stupid non-working server |
| 06:28.49 | Esamynn | mutters |
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| 06:38.35 | zenzio | "No, it can't be explained in layman terms. Laymen cannot successfully program with pthreads in C++. It takes a specialist known as a "computer programmer" :-)" |
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| 06:48.04 | ccox | um, even most programmers can't handle threads, in any language |
| 06:50.11 | zenzio | yeah, but I think this guy was just half-dissing pthreads |
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| 07:02.31 | ReAn | <ccox> um, even most programmers can't handle threads, in any language <--- that saddens me |
| 07:02.50 | ReAn | threads are danm usefull if you know about thread saftey |
| 07:03.53 | Aqua | becareful pulling threads.... things my unravel? hehehe? |
| 07:04.00 | ReAn | lol |
| 07:04.02 | ReAn | you know |
| 07:04.11 | ReAn | that statement is basically true for programming too |
| 07:04.39 | Aqua | I was just being sarcastic |
| 07:04.45 | Aqua | yet true |
| 07:04.50 | ReAn | yea, but there's some truth in it |
| 07:05.28 | ReAn | ccox had a point tho |
| 07:05.34 | ReAn | threads are really above a lot of people |
| 07:05.42 | ReAn | and it makes me worried |
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| 07:06.01 | Aqua | yea, i dont' blame you |
| 07:06.41 | ReAn | has a BSc in computer science and i bet you some of my fellow graduating class don't know how to use threads of any kind (even the easy as hell .NET/Java ones) |
| 07:07.18 | Aqua | i was about a 1.5 years from a cOE degree |
| 07:07.36 | ReAn | i bet i could mention 'Mutex' to some graduates and see thier eyes glaze over |
| 07:07.58 | Wobin | 's eyes glaze over. |
| 07:08.23 | ReAn | OMG |
| 07:08.26 | ReAn | Day just got better |
| 07:08.34 | Wobin | You got chocolate? |
| 07:08.34 | ReAn | i found more chocolate covered jujubes |
| 07:08.45 | Wobin | high5's ReAn |
| 07:08.48 | ReAn | wow, keen senses Wobin |
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| 07:08.59 | Wobin | taps the side of his nose. |
| 07:09.16 | ReAn | these things are godly |
| 07:09.33 | ReAn | they are singlehandedly gonna make me 3000 lbs |
| 07:10.23 | Thunder_Child | chocolate = fail |
| 07:11.28 | ReAn | y? |
| 07:11.29 | ZorbaTHut | threads are generally just too dangerous to bother with |
| 07:11.42 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: not if well managed |
| 07:11.45 | ZorbaTHut | I've used them to great effect, but they're basically nanobot dynamite |
| 07:11.47 | ReAn | and essential for lots of things |
| 07:12.00 | ZorbaTHut | rean, that's sort of like saying "if you do it right, they're easy". I agree, but I think managing them well is the hard part |
| 07:12.10 | ReAn | i guess |
| 07:12.13 | krka | threads and shared memory is a pain |
| 07:12.21 | ReAn | shared memory is a pain >_> |
| 07:12.23 | krka | threads with some actor model / message passing is nice |
| 07:12.26 | ZorbaTHut | they're a pain to get right and they can spawn all variety of subtle issues |
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| 07:12.45 | krka | no shared memory = no subtle issues :) |
| 07:12.52 | ReAn | nothing is worse than exiting your app and you don't get your console |
| 07:13.00 | ReAn | you know something's gone ass end up somewhere |
| 07:13.03 | ZorbaTHut | the Worst Bug I Ever Fixed turned out to be a subtle threading performance bug caused by an unforeseen interaction between three separate libraries that were written approximately three years apart |
| 07:13.06 | ReAn | then again the segfaults suck too |
| 07:13.45 | ReAn | i dunno, i try to avoid threads in C/C++ where possible |
| 07:13.57 | ReAn | in managed languages tho >_> |
| 07:14.01 | ReAn | i use them whenever possible |
| 07:14.17 | nevcairiel | threads in C++ are such a pain because the language itself doesnt know about threads |
| 07:14.19 | ReAn | i fucking won money & an extra grade point thanks to threading :) |
| 07:14.25 | ZorbaTHut | I use coroutines all over the place, but threads I tend to avoid :) |
| 07:15.09 | nevcairiel | Any language that was actually written with threading in mind .. thats different :) |
| 07:15.43 | ReAn | i made a bargin that my prof's computer was dualcore :) i used threading to calculate parts of my solution async, and beat the pants off the rest of my class |
| 07:15.48 | ReAn | by orders of magnitude |
| 07:15.54 | ReAn | best $50 i ever won |
| 07:16.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 07:16.12 | ZorbaTHut | haha, nice |
| 07:16.39 | ReAn | well i solved 100,000 solutions in 12 seconds |
| 07:16.53 | ReAn | the next guy solved 100,000 solutions in 4 minutes |
| 07:16.54 | ReAn | >_> |
| 07:17.31 | nevcairiel | somehow that sounds that your code was faster anyway |
| 07:17.40 | ReAn | well yea |
| 07:17.42 | Aqua | see, i think your gonna see before its all over, processors that can't handle the threading instead of the code handling it |
| 07:17.55 | Aqua | *can |
| 07:18.02 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that is not a threading improvement |
| 07:18.08 | ReAn | well |
| 07:18.10 | ZorbaTHut | if you hadn't used threading, it would have taken 24 seconds :P |
| 07:18.14 | ReAn | w/o threading i was @ 2 mins |
| 07:18.36 | ReAn | but i did optimize a bit when i threaded it |
| 07:18.45 | ReAn | Aqua: this is why functional programming is win |
| 07:19.01 | Aqua | I know ReAn, just commenting |
| 07:19.31 | ReAn | i need to play w/ F# |
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| 07:20.00 | ReAn | my friend wrote pong in F# for shits |
| 07:20.46 | ccox | Most CS grads think threading is a solved problem "oh, just put a mutex around it" |
| 07:21.06 | ReAn | facepalms |
| 07:21.26 | ccox | and even when safe threading is solved - that doesn't mean the performance is any good |
| 07:21.32 | ReAn | nope |
| 07:21.38 | ReAn | cuz threads are waiting for each other often |
| 07:21.50 | ccox | many thread safe data structures take a big hit in performance for that safety |
| 07:21.50 | ReAn | thus losing the advantage gained by having multiple ones to begin with |
| 07:22.04 | ccox | so, single threaded access gets slowed down |
| 07:22.15 | ccox | sometimes you need 3 or 4 threads just to break even again |
| 07:22.35 | ReAn | threading is really powerfull when you an isolate them tho |
| 07:22.50 | nevcairiel | threading is really powerful if you know wtf you are doing :) |
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| 07:23.03 | nevcairiel | and the problem you face is good for it :d |
| 07:23.19 | ccox | nevcairiel: true, but so few really know what they're doing |
| 07:23.41 | ReAn | ccox: no truer words were ever spoken |
| 07:24.02 | nevcairiel | so many silly code-monkeys out there that have no idea |
| 07:24.05 | ReAn | fuck, i only know what im doing 1/2 the time |
| 07:24.16 | ccox | just look at the published papers, and the corrections to them, and the retractions, and more corrections, and .... |
| 07:24.17 | ReAn | but i learn well on my own |
| 07:25.20 | ReAn | omg |
| 07:25.25 | Arrowmaster | why the hell is it so hard to find a non programming IT job |
| 07:25.26 | ReAn | they're still advertizing Age of Conan |
| 07:25.27 | ReAn | ? |
| 07:25.33 | ccox | I have some idea what I'm doing, but I also know when I'm over my head, and when something just isn't going to work |
| 07:25.36 | ReAn | I thought that waste of $50 died |
| 07:26.01 | ccox | I have also developed a good gut feeling for B.S. - which helps when evaluatiing research papers :-) |
| 07:26.07 | nevcairiel | thats something alot of people lack, just the honesty to admit that they are in over their head |
| 07:26.35 | ccox | Arrowmaster: because non-programmers are easy to find, or train |
| 07:27.05 | ccox | Arrowmaster: good programmers, are much harder to find - so jobs stay open longer |
| 07:27.29 | ReAn | pff |
| 07:27.30 | ccox | Arrowmaster: half the non-programming |
| 07:27.32 | ReAn | problem is |
| 07:27.36 | ReAn | i've been looking |
| 07:27.38 | Arrowmaster | every damn networking job listing i find wants either 2 or more years of on the job experience or lately ive seen networking possitions requiring a 4year degree in CS |
| 07:27.44 | ccox | IT jobs I know were filled by administrative assitants moving up |
| 07:27.45 | ReAn | every job here in my city is "Minimum 6 years experience" |
| 07:27.56 | zenzio | ccox: re. threading; many Windows programmers don't read up enough about threading basics, so they end up wondering why "my window doesn't get messages" (asking from the wrong thread), etc |
| 07:28.02 | ccox | Arrowmaster: yeah, good networking does take some knowledge |
| 07:28.15 | zenzio | but I still avoid threading whenever it's not really necessary, since I'm not very good at them myself |
| 07:28.16 | ccox | zenzio: it's not just windows, it's everywhere |
| 07:28.22 | ReAn | 'seen networking possitions requiring a 4year degree in CS' <--- wanna link me some? |
| 07:28.23 | ReAn | :p |
| 07:28.27 | ccox | zenzio - I bet most CS professors really don't know threads |
| 07:28.34 | zenzio | ccox: that was just an example because I was familiar with that particular problem |
| 07:28.45 | ReAn | ccox: mose CS professors really don't know jack |
| 07:28.49 | ccox | sadly, I'm familiar with the bigger problem |
| 07:28.49 | zenzio | (window messages on Windows are only sent to the thread that called CreateWindow) |
| 07:28.55 | ccox | ReAn: well, there's that too |
| 07:29.49 | ccox | Computer science: where theory and practice must be the same, because the professor wouldn't know practice if it bit him |
| 07:29.55 | ReAn | holy crap, 150 downloads of my mod since my update 1 hour ago O.o |
| 07:30.30 | ccox | folks are hungry for fixes/updates right now |
| 07:31.31 | ReAn | ccox: i took one course, it was called 'Data Structures II', the course material was about 'dirty bitches' and 'hard dicks' (punjab accent, dirty pages, and hard discs), raid & scsi, the tests were on google relevance theory & page rank, and the assignment was building a web crawler |
| 07:31.59 | ccox | that could be useful |
| 07:32.16 | ccox | asuming you had some metrics to meet on quality, performance, etc. |
| 07:32.18 | ReAn | yea, but the lecutes, the assignments, and the tests do not share the same domain |
| 07:32.43 | ccox | I would do a class like that without tests -- just long homework assignments, preferably in groups |
| 07:32.51 | ReAn | ccox: yea, we had to have fast lookup speed, and page our crawl data like memory into flatfiles |
| 07:33.10 | ccox | was there a specific metric, or just "fast"? |
| 07:33.23 | ccox | again, most professors don't know "fast" from their "a**" |
| 07:33.26 | ReAn | order of O(log n) i think |
| 07:33.31 | ReAn | or maybe n * log n |
| 07:33.33 | ReAn | can't remember |
| 07:33.34 | ccox | That's order, not performance |
| 07:33.39 | ReAn | true enough |
| 07:33.48 | ReAn | but performance is based on the machine running it too |
| 07:33.50 | ccox | assymptotic behavior doesn't tell you squat by itself |
| 07:34.02 | ReAn | ah, no threading was allowed either |
| 07:34.05 | ReAn | which was balls |
| 07:34.13 | ReAn | cuz a crawler would work well w/ threading |
| 07:34.32 | ccox | yeah, but threaded data strucures would be another class |
| 07:34.42 | ccox | focus on single threaded for a class like that |
| 07:35.24 | ReAn | my issue was it was java (1.4.2 or something archaic) and holding 10 mb of stripped parse data in memory required 512mb of ram cuz this buggy ass version of java had serious issues, it only used 15mb of ram, but it would run out of 'ram' (Exception thrown) if we didn't allocate enough to the VM, and not i wasn't just my algo, every studen had this issue |
| 07:35.52 | ZorbaTHut | I had a CS teacher who decided it was his job to teach "proper programming style" |
| 07:35.52 | ccox | oh, what moron tried to write that in Java? |
| 07:35.55 | nevcairiel | java 1.4 was seriously broken |
| 07:36.02 | ZorbaTHut | we learned inheritance before we learned conditionals, and we learned recursion before we learned loops |
| 07:36.04 | ReAn | ccox: no, it was a REQUIREMENT |
| 07:36.20 | ccox | oh, the moron behind the podium |
| 07:36.22 | ReAn | the inventor of java graduated from my program & my uni, they made us use java a LOT |
| 07:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | the crown jewel of the class was a linked list class that required two recursive virtual calls per node in order to do anything on it, and was intentionally immutable |
| 07:36.36 | ccox | Gosling? Sorry, but he's an idiot. |
| 07:36.37 | ReAn | i used C/C++/C# whenever possible |
| 07:36.40 | ReAn | yea |
| 07:36.48 | ReAn | gosling graduated from my uni |
| 07:36.49 | ZorbaTHut | curiously, it was still only the second worst class I've ever had. |
| 07:36.52 | ReAn | and i hated him for it |
| 07:36.53 | ccox | He hasn't written anything competent since emacs |
| 07:37.21 | ReAn | yea, they pushed emacs too |
| 07:37.25 | ReAn | personally, i hate emacs |
| 07:37.28 | ccox | Zorba - that was just fail, linked list shouldn't need virtuals |
| 07:37.34 | ReAn | i admire it for what it is, it just dosent jive w/ me |
| 07:37.39 | ReAn | im a vim junkie |
| 07:37.52 | ReAn | oh man |
| 07:39.11 | ccox | Sigh. I think it's going to take a revolution before we get competent CS teaching. |
| 07:39.55 | ReAn | in my data structures 1 class, we were required to make a really complex linked list, i decided to make each node it's own linked list, so that you could easily split a linked list, i found a neat way of making it do everything i needed to w/ recursive calls and a smart loop detection algorithm incase some idiot looped the list in a circle |
| 07:40.07 | ReAn | i got docked marks cuz i didn't have a LinkedList and LinkedListNode class setup |
| 07:40.11 | ReAn | when it wasn't specified |
| 07:40.25 | Arrowmaster | theres a part time teacher at my school that all most all the full time teachers hate because hes proven theyre idiots |
| 07:40.38 | ReAn | and i even appealed it to the prof and showed how i compensated for the issues involving seld managed nodes, and he wouldn't give me the mark i deserved |
| 07:40.45 | ReAn | i hated all the stupid shit in my program |
| 07:40.49 | ccox | Heh. I recently did something like that with templates. I got dinged for it not being readable. The other reviewers dinged the first reviewer for being a moron. |
| 07:40.51 | ReAn | 1st and 2nd year were rough |
| 07:41.09 | ReAn | well yea, we were using java |
| 07:41.09 | Thunder_Child | WDC WD740ADFD-00NLR5-1096244993 °C (-255254037 °F) i find this rather interesting |
| 07:41.14 | ReAn | and this was before java had generics |
| 07:41.45 | ReAn | so i was using type-unsafe object casting |
| 07:41.49 | Aqua | I never trust the temp sensors in hard drives TC |
| 07:41.59 | ccox | Teach a student in Java -- so it'll take 2 years to unlearn bad habits, and another 4 years to teach them how to write usable code... yeah, thanks. |
| 07:42.22 | ReAn | ccox: it could be worse, they could start you in VB pre-.NET |
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| 07:42.31 | ccox | true |
| 07:42.38 | Arrowmaster | my school did |
| 07:42.41 | Aqua | /wrists |
| 07:42.43 | ccox | or an experimental version of Modula |
| 07:42.44 | ReAn | last year i was there the uni was finally convinced to switch from pascal->java to python->c++ |
| 07:42.50 | ccox | or a custom version of Pascal |
| 07:42.57 | ccox | like my school tried |
| 07:43.17 | ReAn | hey, i'll admit, the pascal course (1st course) i took really helped to explain some theory concepts |
| 07:43.25 | ReAn | but i immediately saw the flaws in pascal |
| 07:43.45 | Arrowmaster | i droped CIS 111 near the end of the quarter and took an F in it because the teacher didnt know shit and basicly turned an into to programming class into a VB6 class |
| 07:43.52 | ccox | it's great when your homework fails due to compiler bugs |
| 07:43.54 | ReAn | i loved java cuz it made OOP shit easy, but after the 1st year i realized it's drawbacks and took as many courses as i could where java just wouldn't cut it |
| 07:43.58 | ReAn | like 3D Animation courses |
| 07:44.01 | Wobin | honestly, the one thing university should teach, which I find it often doesn't, is proper problem solving |
| 07:44.03 | ReAn | where you basically NEED to use C++ |
| 07:44.12 | Wobin | ReAn: ugh, so true |
| 07:44.21 | Arrowmaster | i retook it with a competent teacher that didnt care what the fuck you did in VB as long as you got the programming done |
| 07:44.29 | Wobin | did some 3D animation. |
| 07:44.31 | ReAn | Wobin: well 1st year they need to teach programming languages to illustrate concepts like OOP Paradigm |
| 07:44.38 | ReAn | i loved my 3d courses |
| 07:44.40 | Wobin | threw some matrix maths into a black box and hoped it worked |
| 07:44.46 | ReAn | i built a fully functional Quake2 Model Viewer |
| 07:45.04 | Wobin | ReAn: then they should use a teaching language |
| 07:45.07 | ReAn | w/ dynamic normals calculation & frame interpolation |
| 07:45.15 | ReAn | Wobin: Pascal is junk |
| 07:45.20 | Wobin | of course |
| 07:45.24 | Wobin | Eiffel is also junk |
| 07:45.29 | Wobin | but it's a good OOP teaching tool |
| 07:45.47 | Wobin | The point isn't so much to teach programming in a decent language, it's teaching the concepts behind OOP |
| 07:45.52 | ReAn | frankly once we did the 'intro' (pascal) and the 'oop primer' (java) they just assumed we could program anything |
| 07:45.54 | ReAn | which i liked |
| 07:46.01 | ReAn | but some people fucking enraged about it |
| 07:46.07 | ReAn | w/ the exception of haskell/prolog |
| 07:46.08 | A-KO | how many seals do you get for doing the heroic? |
| 07:46.12 | Wobin | Once you learn how to learn... the rest takes care of itself |
| 07:46.20 | Wobin | A-KO: one? |
| 07:46.24 | ReAn | functional/logical programming class did teach languages to illustrate the power of the paragim |
| 07:46.28 | A-KO | champion seals? only 1? |
| 07:46.36 | Arrowmaster | i found it funny that in my CIS 111 intro to programming class we had to write i think it was tictactoe in VB6 and i was the only person with a bug free program |
| 07:46.37 | ReAn | Wobin: true |
| 07:46.38 | Wobin | no idea, tbh |
| 07:46.50 | ReAn | Wobin: I found a really cool job posting the other day |
| 07:46.52 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: VB6? You poor man =( |
| 07:47.01 | ReAn | it listed off a whole asstonne of concepts |
| 07:47.02 | Arrowmaster | i know it sucked |
| 07:47.09 | Arrowmaster | i think ive forgotten everything about it though |
| 07:47.21 | Wobin | it's a protective mental reaction |
| 07:47.23 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, I believe it's 3 |
| 07:47.25 | Aqua | they started us on C++ on nix platforms |
| 07:47.30 | ZorbaTHut | we certainly got at least one for each boss |
| 07:47.33 | ReAn | and then at the bottom is said "Or the ability to learn one of the above concepts within an acceptible degree of understanding given access to the internet and 1 day's time" |
| 07:47.36 | Arrowmaster | Aqua: wow |
| 07:47.37 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't think to look to see if we were getting more than one |
| 07:47.44 | Wobin | ReAn: sounds like my kinda job =) |
| 07:48.18 | Aqua | Arrowmaster: Day1, how to use putty, Day2, how to use tar, gcc, etc, Day3, Hello World!... |
| 07:48.25 | Arrowmaster | Aqua: my school are microsoft whores, theyres only maybe 3 classes that an OS other than windows is even allowed to be mentioned |
| 07:48.38 | ReAn | Arrowmaster, Wobin: it's a shame, most .NET advocates and companies using .NET have been pushing VB.NET which i think is stupid as shit, when C# is much more well formed and just as powerfull since .NET is the standard |
| 07:48.46 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 07:49.02 | ReAn | Arrowmaster: my uni was 99% redhat |
| 07:49.13 | ReAn | we had the main floor of an entire tower |
| 07:49.16 | Aqua | yea, but a large volume of teachers don't know C# |
| 07:49.20 | Arrowmaster | well i goto a college not a uni |
| 07:49.24 | Arrowmaster | a very cheap one |
| 07:49.27 | Wobin | although the interview I had today, the interviewer was snidely disparaging about VB.NET, which I found amusing |
| 07:49.29 | ReAn | 900 red hat dell machines set up in a computing cloud |
| 07:49.44 | ReAn | i always had fun @ 3AM maxing the cpu of 300+ machines |
| 07:49.49 | Arrowmaster | like $40 per credit hour cheap because of state and county taxes |
| 07:50.06 | ReAn | Aqua: what's not to know, most of them know java or C++ |
| 07:50.18 | Aqua | ReAn: Teachers are lazy.... |
| 07:50.20 | ReAn | C# is so close syntactically to either that it's seconds to pick up |
| 07:50.26 | ReAn | .NET is the hard part to know |
| 07:50.27 | Aqua | yea, i know |
| 07:50.33 | Wobin | and all it is is a framework |
| 07:50.38 | ReAn | so if they know VB.NET they know C#.NET if they've ever gazed on java code |
| 07:51.03 | ReAn | i like .NET, i really really do, but what i think people have to realize about it is that it's got its place |
| 07:51.06 | Aqua | i picked up C# pretty fast considering i knew c++, i know about nothing about java and still figured it out |
| 07:51.08 | ReAn | imo it's a tooling language |
| 07:51.12 | ReAn | or a prototype language |
| 07:51.41 | ReAn | Aqua: not really hard, just put your code body inside your class def and forget about headers in general |
| 07:53.03 | Aqua | I've just never sat down and used it |
| 07:53.41 | ReAn | frankly i have a large spot in my heart for frameworks like Qt/WxWidgets tho, cuz they allow you to use C++, and compile native code, and standardize the x-platform bullshit you have to deal with, the key is I think people should learn a bit about the problems building x-platform apps before using Qt/WxWidgets, but I totally support it for rapid development |
| 07:54.08 | Wobin | http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sarahsfirstpizza459904.jpg |
| 07:54.28 | Arrowmaster | in general it seems most people never put enough thought about what could go wrong |
| 07:54.30 | ReAn | lol Wobin |
| 07:55.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Rewad (n=chatzill@77-58-137-153.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 07:55.17 | ReAn | it really is a shame tho that .NET was released by the developer of a major OS |
| 07:55.20 | Arrowmaster | which is funny because when i look at something i always start thinking up different ways something could go wrong |
| 07:55.37 | ReAn | because .NET could be so much more if there was an official VM for linux / osx |
| 07:55.41 | ReAn | mono is there |
| 07:55.47 | ReAn | but it's not really what i'd call reliable |
| 07:55.48 | Aqua | yea, but mono is missing a lot |
| 07:56.09 | ReAn | see if MS didn't have an invested interest in keeping people using Windows |
| 07:56.14 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: same, people call me a pessimist =P I'm more of a realist =P |
| 07:56.15 | ReAn | .NET could really be a powerfull tool |
| 07:56.22 | ReAn | cuz frankly it beats the pants off java |
| 07:56.24 | ReAn | imo |
| 07:56.24 | theorbtwo | ...they could have just open-sourced it. |
| 07:56.28 | ReAn | java's very powerfull tho |
| 07:56.35 | ReAn | it just has it's issues >_> |
| 07:56.46 | ReAn | that and it seems nobody knows how to install it w/o fucking up thier computer |
| 07:56.49 | ReAn | as minion has proven |
| 07:56.50 | ReAn | lol |
| 07:57.19 | Arrowmaster | atleast now java doesnt install n+1 versions everytime it updates |
| 07:57.34 | theorbtwo | They didn't actually want it to be cross-platform, though. They wanted it to have enough of an appearance of cross-platformness that people who didn't know any better would write things that are supposed to be crossplatform in it. |
| 07:57.38 | ReAn | u.u omg yea |
| 07:57.47 | theorbtwo | ...and then they can blame the open source people when it doesn't work! |
| 07:58.10 | Aqua | Java pisses me off, mainly because of one program that won't work with newest java platforms |
| 07:58.19 | Aqua | i have to keep an old java around just for it |
| 07:58.24 | ReAn | imo .NET & Visual Studio are MS's geatest products |
| 07:59.12 | ReAn | well .NET is only pseudo-backwards compatible |
| 07:59.28 | ReAn | so in a way is shares a similar fate to java |
| 07:59.51 | ReAn | i really like the concept of LINQ btw |
| 07:59.56 | theorbtwo | .NET hugely pissed me off recently, because of that, and because of a lack of a real package management system. |
| 08:00.09 | Arrowmaster | speaking of java |
| 08:00.25 | Arrowmaster | the java updater wants to close [System Process] |
| 08:00.27 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/national/you-cant-let-one-crazy-person-control-your-life-20090805-e9m7.html |
| 08:00.29 | Arrowmaster | this should be interesting |
| 08:00.29 | Wobin | =\ ^ |
| 08:00.32 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:00.41 | Wobin | poor bus driver dude =( |
| 08:00.47 | ReAn | speaking of java, i made a java app for a client in return for a video card :) |
| 08:00.56 | theorbtwo | Double-clicking an application for a newer version of .NET doesn't offer to install a newer version, like it should. It doesn't even give a reasonable error message, like the minimum useful behavior. |
| 08:01.42 | jnwhiteh | fucking shit-face |
| 08:01.49 | Thunder_Child | you rang? |
| 08:01.49 | jnwhiteh | 12 hour downtime? =( |
| 08:01.51 | Arrowmaster | why the hell does every java update have to try and install some damn extra software thats not related at all and nobody wants |
| 08:01.52 | ReAn | wb jnwhiteh |
| 08:01.57 | jnwhiteh | I have _so_ much work to get done today |
| 08:01.59 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: which server? |
| 08:02.03 | jnwhiteh | and being down for another 5 hours.. |
| 08:02.08 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: all EU |
| 08:02.13 | ReAn | ouch |
| 08:02.16 | ReAn | well |
| 08:02.17 | Wobin | yow |
| 08:02.19 | Wobin | why? |
| 08:02.26 | ReAn | my server is not listed on the list of 'problem child' servers |
| 08:02.29 | ReAn | and it's been down all day |
| 08:02.35 | ReAn | and im in US region |
| 08:02.40 | jnwhiteh | Dunno.. says they're down until 1500 CET |
| 08:02.42 | ReAn | so nobody knows anything about us |
| 08:02.43 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: yeah |
| 08:02.46 | jnwhiteh | i was afraid of all of this |
| 08:02.51 | theorbtwo | Because they can't write a patch that just applies? |
| 08:02.51 | ReAn | it's patch day |
| 08:02.53 | jnwhiteh | i leave for the states on friday |
| 08:02.57 | jnwhiteh | I can't do anythign tomorrow |
| 08:03.02 | ReAn | you need to update mdos? |
| 08:03.04 | ReAn | mods* |
| 08:03.05 | jnwhiteh | and I have an immense amount of work to do |
| 08:03.07 | jnwhiteh | well yes |
| 08:03.10 | jnwhiteh | but i have a book to write |
| 08:03.50 | theorbtwo | Can you just push the new version number to the ToC, and hope it works? |
| 08:03.51 | ReAn | what 'work' requires wow btw? |
| 08:03.52 | ReAn | im curious |
| 08:03.57 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 08:04.01 | jnwhiteh | writing a book |
| 08:04.02 | jnwhiteh | about wow.. |
| 08:04.09 | Grum | oh bleh, the mandatory TOC updating :'( |
| 08:04.10 | theorbtwo | The QuestHelper guy did that. Seems at least mildly reasonable. |
| 08:04.18 | jnwhiteh | theorbtwo: fuck toc updates |
| 08:04.27 | jnwhiteh | my users know better than to bitch about that |
| 08:04.27 | ReAn | lol @ toc updates |
| 08:04.31 | jnwhiteh | there are real updates I need to make. |
| 08:04.35 | theorbtwo | (I should really remember his name.) |
| 08:04.40 | theorbtwo | jnwhiteh: Ah, fair enough. |
| 08:04.49 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: you make me feel guilty about how little time i've had for my mod these days >_> |
| 08:04.49 | Grum | yeah, i'll update the toc when i really have to |
| 08:05.13 | Arrowmaster | questhelper guy releases unneeded updates every 2 weeks just to people remember that somebody is working on it and donate |
| 08:05.25 | jnwhiteh | well if someone on EU can ping me when the servers come up, I will greatly appreciate it. |
| 08:05.28 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: hehe |
| 08:05.31 | Grum | he just repacks the database over and over |
| 08:05.35 | Arrowmaster | he admitted it, its in the logges somewhere |
| 08:05.42 | Arrowmaster | logs |
| 08:05.44 | Arrowmaster | i cant type |
| 08:05.53 | jnwhiteh | hey.. anyone want to help me fix the placement of lightheaded? |
| 08:05.56 | Grum | what was his name (and on this channel?) |
| 08:06.02 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut |
| 08:07.04 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think I actually said "unneeded" :P I do try to push *something* every week, though |
| 08:07.20 | Elkano | which rev is 3.2? 10072? |
| 08:07.21 | ZorbaTHut | in my case, I only bumped the .toc because I'd actually tested it on the PTR quite some ways back, however |
| 08:07.26 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i cant type, you simply mess up from time to time. |
| 08:07.39 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: i'll help |
| 08:07.48 | ReAn | as long as you don't need a horde 80 |
| 08:07.49 | Elkano | if not, have there been additional FrameXML changes after that? |
| 08:08.01 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: my brain is fucked up, i have a doctors note to prove it |
| 08:08.03 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: fix the placement? |
| 08:08.04 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: the SetPoint just needs to be changed on the LH window to match the new double-wide quest log. |
| 08:08.17 | ReAn | give me a line # |
| 08:08.23 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: 10192 |
| 08:08.24 | ReAn | ill tweak it till it's right |
| 08:08.35 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, my brain is fucked up, i have friends that can prove it. |
| 08:10.15 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: Ah nvm, I'll just do it when the servers come back up |
| 08:10.18 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: ive got Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, and Dysgraphia, sometimes i write things and have no clue why the fuck i wrote it how i did |
| 08:10.27 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: looks like the quest panel is shorter now too |
| 08:10.37 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 08:10.38 | ReAn | you prolly have more to do than just a SetPoint adjustment |
| 08:10.40 | jnwhiteh | its a bit annoying |
| 08:10.45 | jnwhiteh | just a size change |
| 08:10.53 | jnwhiteh | but *shrug* |
| 08:10.59 | jnwhiteh | wish it matched the height of the other panels. |
| 08:11.11 | ReAn | there's room to tab now |
| 08:11.15 | Elkano | jnwhiteh, I asked because wowprogramming compares to 10072 |
| 08:11.27 | ReAn | you could prolly integrate LH as a tab above the quest details |
| 08:11.34 | ReAn | so it wouldn't use up so much real estate |
| 08:11.35 | ReAn | btw |
| 08:11.40 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: I could rsync the framexml if you'd like and regen the compares |
| 08:11.52 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: yeah I just didn't want to fuck with it on the PTR |
| 08:11.53 | ReAn | i mean, i've got a fairly large screen, but some don't they might like that featurer |
| 08:12.02 | ReAn | y not on the ptr? |
| 08:12.03 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 08:12.06 | Elkano | would be great in case there were additional changes |
| 08:12.07 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, that works for anyone, just go back and look at middle/high school papers |
| 08:12.13 | jnwhiteh | too much (in the past) has changed between PTR and live |
| 08:12.22 | jnwhiteh | and I have not had much time |
| 08:12.23 | ReAn | true enough |
| 08:12.35 | jnwhiteh | could you screenshot the new window for me? |
| 08:12.40 | ReAn | sure |
| 08:12.52 | ReAn | plz ignore the plethora of addons |
| 08:12.52 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:13.00 | Elkano | wrt QuestLog, I wonder if I'll still resize it with FR |
| 08:13.01 | ReAn | i haven't really been on this toon in over 2 years |
| 08:13.49 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: "FR"? |
| 08:13.56 | Elkano | FramesResized |
| 08:14.14 | Elkano | used to do this: http://static.wowace.com/uploads/19/2/754/elkanos-framesresized-the-questlog-became-bigger-too.jpg |
| 08:14.31 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: http://images.reanmachine.com/new-quest-window.jpg |
| 08:14.34 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 08:15.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (n=caleb@dsl4E5C05EF.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 08:15.13 | Elkano | from the looks, I think I'll do it |
| 08:15.15 | jnwhiteh | hrm, maybe tabs are the best idea. |
| 08:15.18 | VonhintenHOME` | holy crap, that UI is a disaster |
| 08:15.26 | ReAn | VonhintenHOME`: i dont play this toon |
| 08:15.31 | ReAn | my main's server is down |
| 08:15.36 | ReAn | every addon is loaded atm |
| 08:15.39 | jnwhiteh | but i'll just fix the size/point |
| 08:15.42 | jnwhiteh | first |
| 08:15.50 | jnwhiteh | i still want to release QuestTabs |
| 08:15.57 | Elkano | it has EBB, it can't be that bad ;) |
| 08:15.59 | ReAn | Quest Tabs? |
| 08:16.11 | Grum | what is that? :) |
| 08:16.20 | ReAn | Elkano: i've recently adopted nUI, it pained me so hard to remove EBB |
| 08:16.39 | Elkano | nUI? |
| 08:16.40 | jnwhiteh | lets you filter teh quest log to show only dailies, only dungeon, only pvp, only quests from yoru current zone, etc. |
| 08:16.48 | ReAn | yea, cuz i've gotten lazy |
| 08:16.58 | Wobin | hm, shammies only got buffs, eh? |
| 08:17.01 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: that sounds excelent |
| 08:17.04 | theorbtwo | hmmm, all sorts of good-seeming stuff in the patch log, though they seem to have solved a lot of problems with a big stick. |
| 08:17.14 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: it is, just need to get it fixed and released. |
| 08:17.47 | ReAn | Elkano: it's a mod that has ui frames / button mod inside it all and it repositions the rest of your mods like a UI Pack, but it's not a collection of mods, it lets you update your mods seperately w/o breaking things |
| 08:17.51 | theorbtwo | (The way they nerfed 2v2 and twinking seems quite heavy-handed. OTOH, neither problem effects me all that much, and the solutions won't either.) |
| 08:17.56 | ReAn | i got tired of fixing my ui-theme each patch |
| 08:18.11 | Grum | theorbtwo: 2v2 is imbalanced beyond repair |
| 08:18.16 | ReAn | i used to be a HUGE custom theme modder |
| 08:18.22 | Elkano | and it's not compatible to EBB? |
| 08:18.25 | ReAn | let me find my mortal combat inspired pvp theme |
| 08:18.26 | ReAn | well |
| 08:18.30 | ReAn | it has it's own aura tracker |
| 08:18.35 | ReAn | and i can't figure out how to turn it off |
| 08:18.39 | ReAn | i may hack the source |
| 08:18.45 | ReAn | it's not as clear as EBB imo |
| 08:18.50 | ReAn | i've been using EBB for years |
| 08:19.31 | ReAn | actually |
| 08:19.41 | ReAn | i could probably write a plugin for nUI to enable EBB support |
| 08:19.49 | ReAn | but i don't have the time |
| 08:19.56 | ReAn | let me find a screenshot of my normal UI |
| 08:20.24 | jnwhiteh | my UI consists of very few addons |
| 08:20.27 | jnwhiteh | NinjaPanel with a few plugins |
| 08:20.46 | jnwhiteh | Dominos to scale and move my action bars |
| 08:20.47 | jnwhiteh | BasicChatMods to fix my chat frame |
| 08:20.48 | jnwhiteh | and oUF_FreeBGrid |
| 08:21.36 | Elkano | I have way too many in mine ^^ |
| 08:21.39 | ReAn | Elkano: http://images.reanmachine.com/current-ui-yuzuki.jpg <--- still a bit cluttered, but when i have time i'll be cleaning it up |
| 08:21.49 | ReAn | Elkano, as you can see nUI's aura bars suck |
| 08:21.50 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:22.14 | Grum | that is a hell of a lot of screenfilling O.o |
| 08:22.21 | ReAn | yea |
| 08:22.39 | ReAn | wouldn't be so bad w/o grid, but frankly i can't live w/o grid |
| 08:22.45 | Grum | lol |
| 08:22.49 | Grum | wouldn't be so bad? O.o |
| 08:23.16 | ReAn | grid shows me SO CLEARLY who has aggro, and w/ clique i have a click macro set up to taunt targets |
| 08:23.19 | ReAn | since im a pally |
| 08:23.28 | robotusch | ^^ |
| 08:23.35 | ReAn | i just CTRL+Right-Click the aggro'ed party member |
| 08:23.35 | robotusch | hm |
| 08:23.54 | robotusch | either my domain or my host has gone belly up temporarily :/ |
| 08:23.54 | ReAn | i can also bubble people or sac them easily |
| 08:23.55 | Grum | erm you have 2 sets of raidframes? O.o |
| 08:24.02 | nevcairiel | a friend of mine had a char named yuzuki once .. but it was a warlock :P |
| 08:24.16 | ReAn | there's a warlock named Yazuki on my server |
| 08:24.21 | ReAn | people confuse us all the time |
| 08:24.39 | ReAn | Grum: id stuck w/ nui's but they aren't as clear as mine |
| 08:24.46 | ReAn | i usually turn them off when raiding |
| 08:24.49 | robotusch | http://sarth3d.dk/WoWScrnShot_060109_230228.jpg :3 |
| 08:24.50 | ReAn | i switch to party mode |
| 08:25.16 | robotusch | http://sarth3d.dk/WoWScrnShot_053009_214817.jpg or one for when in raid group :> |
| 08:25.25 | Grum | why on earth that insanely big list of target debuffs on the rightside? |
| 08:25.25 | ReAn | ah, ag_unitframes |
| 08:25.29 | robotusch | <3 |
| 08:25.29 | ReAn | i used those thru LK beta |
| 08:25.44 | robotusch | I use them since I can bugger ag irl about them :D |
| 08:26.06 | ReAn | btw: 1/2 the clutter on the rogue's screenshot for jnwhiteh was cuz i have a million 'disabled' addons installed through testing bugs in minion |
| 08:26.10 | Grum | robotusch: 'in raid' without raidframes? O.o |
| 08:26.33 | robotusch | most were dead, but you can see a mage with aggro and a poison on him :D |
| 08:26.48 | robotusch | http://sarth3d.dk/WoWScrnShot_062109_011245.jpg might be better |
| 08:27.00 | Grum | ah fading ones ;) |
| 08:27.26 | robotusch | aye, if they aren't in range, I can't do bugger about anything anyway |
| 08:27.28 | Grum | i cant stand that ;( i always need to know who died |
| 08:27.29 | ReAn | this was my T6 content healing ui: http://images.reanmachine.com/heal-ui-example.jpg |
| 08:27.34 | ReAn | for my shaman |
| 08:27.49 | Grum | why didnt you put grid in the middle of your screen? ;) |
| 08:28.33 | Stanzilla | can't see shit with both player/target and raid in the middle :P |
| 08:28.40 | ReAn | on my current one? |
| 08:28.42 | Wobin | and maxxed |
| 08:28.50 | ReAn | or in my healing one? |
| 08:29.24 | Grum | hmmm my 2.4 healing ui: http://grum.nl/images/raidui_xaros.jpg |
| 08:29.30 | Grum | way too much stuff in the middle though ;( |
| 08:29.52 | ReAn | :p |
| 08:30.29 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/voo_ui.JPG <-- this was my 2.1 healing ui, it had some obvious problems |
| 08:30.55 | Grum | i see a complete double row of the same spells? O.o |
| 08:31.01 | ReAn | er |
| 08:31.04 | ReAn | Bar 1 = DPS |
| 08:31.06 | ReAn | Bar 2 = Heal |
| 08:31.11 | ReAn | so i could heal while dps'ing |
| 08:31.17 | ReAn | didn't need to dps much when healing |
| 08:31.23 | ReAn | i.e. for pvp'ing |
| 08:31.23 | Grum | euuh the 2 bottom bars are the same? O.o |
| 08:31.30 | ReAn | bottom bar is paged to bar 2 |
| 08:31.42 | Grum | errr bah! |
| 08:31.42 | ReAn | so 1-0 -= were mapped to heals |
| 08:31.49 | ReAn | i replaced it later w/ clique anyway |
| 08:31.54 | Grum | yeah |
| 08:31.55 | ReAn | to reduce RTT lag |
| 08:31.59 | Grum | rtt? |
| 08:32.02 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-08-03-n56.html |
| 08:32.04 | ReAn | round trip time |
| 08:32.16 | Grum | now explain a bit further |
| 08:32.28 | Elkano | looking through my pics searching for a recent ss of my UI, I just found this: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ss185dj1.jpg |
| 08:32.59 | Stanzilla | http://i25.tinypic.com/4qshus.jpg :P |
| 08:32.59 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/wow/New-Shaman-Ui-Sept-2006.jpg <--- was a fun UI for pvp |
| 08:33.14 | *** join/#wowuidev BWMerlin (n=chatzill@58.174.148.250) |
| 08:33.41 | ReAn | actually |
| 08:33.46 | ReAn | you guys wanna see a crowded ui? |
| 08:33.54 | Stanzilla | no :( |
| 08:34.10 | Grum | Stan wins sofar |
| 08:34.19 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/wow/marcia-ui-holy-crap.jpg |
| 08:34.34 | ReAn | i was a priest healer in Vanilla wow |
| 08:34.39 | ReAn | no need to see my surroundings |
| 08:34.48 | ReAn | i just played a complicated game of whack a mole |
| 08:35.12 | Grum | so ReAn, round trip time in that context? |
| 08:35.14 | Stanzilla | I expected something worse |
| 08:35.16 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 08:35.57 | ReAn | Grum: Selecting a target, message is sent to server, server sends back 'target changed' message which updates the target of all spells, then you cast your spell, |
| 08:35.59 | Grum | i just lack information in your UI stan :p |
| 08:36.06 | ReAn | so the lag between you and the server is doubled |
| 08:36.12 | Stanzilla | Grum: such as? |
| 08:36.13 | Elkano | ok, this is close to what I currently use: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=wowscrnshot_041609_170gai7.jpg |
| 08:36.15 | ReAn | w/ the click-select then heal |
| 08:36.26 | Grum | Stanzilla: names of debuffs! |
| 08:36.38 | Elkano | moved the player/target frames under the center by now though |
| 08:36.49 | Stanzilla | Grum: it's not infight so there are no debuffs :P |
| 08:36.58 | Grum | buffs then! |
| 08:37.07 | Stanzilla | I know the icons |
| 08:37.10 | Stanzilla | no need for names |
| 08:37.20 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/wow/Old-Warlock-Ui-Sept-2006.jpg <--- holy shit, this is old |
| 08:37.23 | ReAn | my warlock in MC |
| 08:37.23 | nevcairiel | i never understood why people need names on buffs |
| 08:37.25 | ReAn | wow |
| 08:37.29 | nevcairiel | it just takes loads of space |
| 08:37.40 | Stanzilla | ^this |
| 08:38.01 | ReAn | OH MAN |
| 08:38.02 | ReAn | i found it |
| 08:38.08 | Elkano | my pick just reminds me of that fail run :/ no cloth users and both items are cloth only... |
| 08:38.09 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/wow/new-shammyui01.jpg <--- MORTAL COMBAT!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:38.18 | Grum | ReAn: but you can cast a spell the second you select someone |
| 08:38.19 | Stanzilla | hahaha |
| 08:38.46 | ReAn | grum: sure you can, but if the server hasn't sent back the 'target changed' message when you cast the spell, you cast it on the old target |
| 08:38.56 | ReAn | this is why a lot of healers use clique / mouseover macros now |
| 08:39.05 | Grum | i dont get how people do this in pvp O.o |
| 08:39.06 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 08:39.09 | ReAn | cuz it sends the target intended w/ the spellcast message to the server |
| 08:40.05 | Grum | wasnt the whole 'omg you click spells' considered bad? :) |
| 08:40.11 | ReAn | nono |
| 08:40.21 | ReAn | i mean, you're mouse hovering over your raid fraims |
| 08:40.22 | Grum | the fact you click a unitframe still means you cant 'move' =) |
| 08:40.29 | ReAn | <Click>, Press 2 on keyboard |
| 08:40.50 | Grum | yeah i understand your roundtrip one |
| 08:41.08 | ReAn | how do you heal a 25-person raid w/o clicking unit frames then? |
| 08:41.18 | Stanzilla | mouseover stuff :P |
| 08:41.24 | ReAn | my mouse does healing, my left hand moves me |
| 08:41.43 | ReAn | and triggers hotkeys |
| 08:41.51 | Grum | yeah same |
| 08:41.52 | ReAn | mind you, i dont heal anymore so >_> |
| 08:42.04 | ReAn | is a tank |
| 08:42.23 | Grum | but really, there is always oodles of whining about 'zomg keyboard turner' but tbh, as healer you dont really have much of a choice |
| 08:42.30 | Grum | well, if you *have* to turn and heal at the same time |
| 08:42.36 | ReAn | *sigh* only 32.7k unbuffed hp w/ 3.2 changes |
| 08:42.52 | ReAn | im really fast |
| 08:42.55 | ReAn | plus |
| 08:42.57 | ReAn | im a paladin atm |
| 08:42.59 | ReAn | if im moving |
| 08:43.01 | ReAn | im not healing |
| 08:43.07 | ReAn | :p |
| 08:43.08 | Grum | well yeah ;) |
| 08:43.09 | krka | can't you do keyboard based target selection? |
| 08:43.09 | ReAn | either way |
| 08:43.16 | Grum | krka: impossible |
| 08:43.17 | ReAn | for 25 peole? |
| 08:43.21 | ReAn | for 5 sure |
| 08:43.22 | krka | sure... |
| 08:43.22 | ReAn | F-keys |
| 08:43.35 | krka | just needs two keypresses :P |
| 08:43.50 | Grum | i doubt the secure layer allows that |
| 08:43.56 | ReAn | grp then member? |
| 08:44.01 | krka | yeah |
| 08:44.10 | ReAn | 3 actions to heal someone? |
| 08:44.12 | krka | should be possible with secure layers |
| 08:44.12 | ReAn | i prefer 1 |
| 08:44.19 | Grum | krka: i doubt it tbh :( |
| 08:44.23 | krka | moving the mouse isn't an action? |
| 08:44.43 | ReAn | yea, but moving a mouse and hitting a button can happen at the same time |
| 08:44.44 | krka | the first secure key changes the attribute of the second key |
| 08:44.47 | ReAn | vs. sequentially |
| 08:44.58 | Grum | krka: people would love that, go make a prototype :D |
| 08:44.59 | A-KO | does the happy dance |
| 08:45.07 | Grum | shoots A-KO in the feet. |
| 08:45.11 | A-KO | got his addon code to work even better than he expected :P |
| 08:45.23 | krka | on key '5': setattribute(1, 21); setattribute(2, 22), et.c... |
| 08:45.25 | krka | i guess |
| 08:45.32 | Grum | how can it work better than expected? :p |
| 08:45.45 | krka | you have low expectations |
| 08:46.30 | krka | you could probably even make it work with arrow keys |
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| 08:59.31 | jnwhiteh | it's been implemented |
| 08:59.42 | jnwhiteh | you can navigate unit frames/targeting using tiered keyboard navigation |
| 08:59.44 | jnwhiteh | or just arrows, actually |
| 09:00.48 | ReAn | seems wastefull to me tho |
| 09:01.05 | jnwhiteh | for why? |
| 09:01.13 | jnwhiteh | its very useful for people who are differently abled. |
| 09:01.14 | ReAn | 3 actions to heal someone? |
| 09:01.15 | ReAn | vs 1 |
| 09:01.28 | ReAn | i guess rts apm junkies would like it |
| 09:01.31 | jnwhiteh | but not everyone can use their mouse very well |
| 09:03.11 | krka | again, moving the mouse and clicking is hardly one action |
| 09:04.10 | jnwhiteh | its one action on each input device |
| 09:04.12 | jnwhiteh | press modifiers, click |
| 09:04.19 | jnwhiteh | as opposed to sequential presses |
| 09:04.25 | jnwhiteh | and both are perfectly valid and capable of being fast =) |
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| 09:05.45 | krka | might be especially useful if you're using the mouse for other stuff such as moving around |
| 09:06.09 | krka | i'll agree that for abled people, healing with the mouse is better if you're mostly standing still |
| 09:06.21 | jnwhiteh | well I don't move with the mouse |
| 09:06.31 | jnwhiteh | i _turn_ with the mouse, but that's not something I need to do while healing. |
| 09:06.38 | jnwhiteh | its all up to personal preferece |
| 09:06.59 | krka | ah right, don't need to face target to heal |
| 09:07.06 | jnwhiteh | I will, however, say that I believe click-casting is faster than the older method of clicking on a target and then pressing a key to cast a spell |
| 09:07.14 | krka | in some raids i imagine even the healer has to move around, and possibly make quick turns |
| 09:07.21 | jnwhiteh | slightly, but still faster |
| 09:07.38 | jnwhiteh | krka: it's easier than you might think, if you're not a keyboard turner to begin with :P |
| 09:07.50 | jnwhiteh | since you can do the turn right next to the unit frame and then return to healing |
| 09:08.00 | krka | true |
| 09:09.19 | krka | anyone know how long it would take a mediocre player at level 78 to save up about 3000 gold, if doing quests for about 2-3 hours a day? |
| 09:09.28 | jnwhiteh | 1500 CEST IS HOURS AWAY |
| 09:09.34 | krka | guestimations are ok |
| 09:09.48 | jnwhiteh | krka: you could pull in at least 100 gold a day doing the argent tournament dailies |
| 09:09.52 | jnwhiteh | and get 10% of your level a day |
| 09:10.27 | Codayus | krka: If all your doing is questing, then...yeah, about that. |
| 09:10.27 | Industrial | hehe seems I dont have to preload the patch after all, 1.5MiB/s ftw |
| 09:10.34 | Industrial | to start with :E |
| 09:10.48 | jnwhiteh | krka: once you hit 80 its much much easier. |
| 09:10.57 | jnwhiteh | it doubles what you gain from the tourney dailies. |
| 09:11.01 | jnwhiteh | the fishing daily is another 25g |
| 09:11.16 | krka | ah ok |
| 09:11.32 | krka | i should be 80 in 2-3 days or so i think |
| 09:11.34 | Codayus | Mmm, cooking daily is good too. |
| 09:11.44 | jnwhiteh | Codayus: it doesn't have the gold bonus of the fishing one but yeah |
| 09:11.45 | krka | i want my swift flight form already :/ |
| 09:11.51 | jnwhiteh | tourney is probably the best bet, since you get free rep for your faction.. and seals |
| 09:11.56 | jnwhiteh | krka: can you borrow from someone? |
| 09:11.57 | krka | the 3.2 boost of normal flight form is nice though |
| 09:12.05 | jnwhiteh | if you were on Emerald Dream, I'd give you =) |
| 09:12.08 | krka | jnwhiteh: hmm, i probably could ask my guild |
| 09:12.12 | jnwhiteh | krka: the bonus only happens if you already have the very fast mount |
| 09:12.22 | krka | i just have a built in aversion to borrowing money |
| 09:12.27 | Codayus | Quite fast though; most cooking dailies can be done in Dalaran. And you MIGHT be able to sell the northern spices for a profit, although the shift to fish feasts may have cratered that market. |
| 09:12.28 | jnwhiteh | krka: because you'll be more able to pay back the gold once you have the swift flight form |
| 09:12.29 | krka | it translated into game too :P |
| 09:12.43 | krka | more able? |
| 09:12.49 | krka | you mean i can earn money faster |
| 09:12.52 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 09:12.54 | jnwhiteh | in terrible english |
| 09:13.03 | jnwhiteh | WTB SERVERS =( |
| 09:13.10 | krka | not on emerald dream, sorry |
| 09:14.34 | Fisker | jnwhiteh you're wrong |
| 09:14.42 | Fisker | IT'S MINUTES AWAY |
| 09:16.16 | Industrial | btw |
| 09:16.23 | Industrial | am I missing some lore or something |
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| 09:16.36 | Industrial | or why doesnt arthas just kill some stuff, do something ;p |
| 09:16.53 | Wobin | cause we're too busy lancing each other |
| 09:17.31 | Industrial | hordes of undead day and night in front of the argetn tournament, he doesnt think 'hey maybe ill just trample them' ? |
| 09:20.20 | Industrial | instant hex and no snares is gunna be aesom |
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| 09:28.47 | robotusch | Fisker :( |
| 09:29.09 | Elkano | Industrial, same problem like here: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1824771 |
| 09:34.23 | Industrial | Elkano: hehe :p |
| 09:38.12 | Aqua | what in gods name did blizz do to palliees |
| 09:38.19 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: so want to play with anchors now? I'm getting impatient :P |
| 09:39.10 | Industrial | Aqua: they can hit you more in the time of one of their stuns now! awesome! if you werent dead already from soc procs, judgement, crusader strike and the swirly thingy now you gonna get exorcism too |
| 09:39.27 | Aqua | they removed an entire seal? |
| 09:39.51 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: i would but now im speedrusing heroics for tokens :p |
| 09:39.53 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: its line 1650 in LightHeaded.lua .. to figure out the correct placement to the right of the quest log frame |
| 09:40.00 | jnwhiteh | hehehe kk no problem |
| 09:40.01 | ReAn | kk 1 sec |
| 09:40.04 | ReAn | im inbetween |
| 09:40.12 | jnwhiteh | Industrial: instant hex? |
| 09:40.16 | Aqua | F'ing blzzard, messing with everything, they even double the quest log frame |
| 09:40.29 | jnwhiteh | Aqua: i would have been fine if they had done it right =) |
| 09:40.37 | jnwhiteh | instead they made it too far.. and shorter |
| 09:40.39 | ReAn | line 1650? kk 1 sec |
| 09:40.55 | Aqua | yea, doublewise kicked ass for that reason |
| 09:41.07 | jnwhiteh | I'm sad they didn't just take doublewide |
| 09:41.09 | jnwhiteh | but *shrug* |
| 09:41.44 | Aqua | doublewide was far superior imo |
| 09:41.51 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 09:41.56 | jnwhiteh | the new one works |
| 09:41.59 | jnwhiteh | we'll adjust |
| 09:42.24 | Industrial | jnwhiteh: maelstrom weapon works for hex |
| 09:42.26 | Aqua | they are trying to optimize for people with wide screens |
| 09:42.29 | jnwhiteh | Industrial: oooh thats sexy |
| 09:42.32 | Industrial | yes |
| 09:42.32 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:42.38 | haste | ~wowerror |
| 09:42.51 | haste | ~~~~~~~ |
| 09:42.51 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat haste. |
| 09:42.56 | haste | oh wait |
| 09:42.58 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 09:42.59 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 09:43.01 | Industrial | and in ghost wolf you are no longer snareable downwards from 100% walkspeed |
| 09:43.01 | haste | almost the same! |
| 09:43.16 | Aqua | so does you can't get daized anymore? |
| 09:43.21 | Aqua | or however you spell it |
| 09:43.50 | haste | dazed? |
| 09:43.58 | Aqua | yea, i'm stoned a little |
| 09:44.03 | Aqua | not by choice |
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| 09:44.05 | Industrial | haha, gief |
| 09:44.09 | Industrial | >_> |
| 09:45.02 | ReAn | jnwhiteh: x coord -5 |
| 09:45.09 | ReAn | do you want me to line up anything else? |
| 09:45.22 | ReAn | im tweaking the height now |
| 09:45.34 | jnwhiteh | that would be perfect if you can give me the new height/width and anchor points |
| 09:45.42 | jnwhiteh | so 19 y coord is still right? |
| 09:45.46 | ReAn | no |
| 09:45.46 | ReAn | 0 |
| 09:45.48 | ReAn | soz |
| 09:45.49 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 09:45.59 | ReAn | im shortening the window to match the Qlog atm |
| 09:46.50 | jnwhiteh | 1655 should be -315, 0 then |
| 09:47.06 | ReAn | ?! |
| 09:47.12 | jnwhiteh | its the "closed" anchor |
| 09:48.58 | ReAn | i almost have the final dimensions for open |
| 09:49.24 | jnwhiteh | huzzah! |
| 09:49.55 | ReAn | i'll send you a screen so you can proof it |
| 09:50.09 | jnwhiteh | i've updated the other portions of the code as well |
| 09:50.17 | jnwhiteh | i'll pastey the file if you dont mind once we get sizing in as well |
| 09:50.32 | ReAn | sure |
| 09:50.42 | ReAn | we're still lookin for a healer anyway |
| 09:51.40 | jnwhiteh | 325x450 is what we had originally |
| 09:52.28 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/lh_align_3.2.jpg |
| 09:52.28 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:52.31 | jnwhiteh | its supposed to be further to the left |
| 09:52.35 | jnwhiteh | it's always "behind" the quest log. |
| 09:52.51 | jnwhiteh | lets move it over 10 pixels |
| 09:52.53 | jnwhiteh | whats the height/width of that version? |
| 09:53.00 | ReAn | width didn't change |
| 09:53.03 | ReAn | height is 425 |
| 09:53.53 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:53.58 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: http://pastebin.ca/1518996 |
| 09:54.20 | jnwhiteh | ReAn: in theory that should be close to right |
| 09:54.20 | ReAn | hold 1 sec |
| 09:54.21 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 09:54.22 | jnwhiteh | min max |
| 09:54.24 | jnwhiteh | letm em update |
| 09:54.30 | ReAn | im moving it over 10 like you asked |
| 09:54.56 | jnwhiteh | http://pastebin.ca/1518997 is moved over 10 and all updated |
| 09:55.28 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/lh_align_3.2-2.jpg <---- w/ me just moving it 10 |
| 09:55.29 | ReAn | btw |
| 09:55.43 | jnwhiteh | yep, that's right |
| 09:55.46 | Grum | how the collapsing hehe |
| 09:55.48 | Grum | *now |
| 09:55.49 | ReAn | the coords now are -15, -1, and 425 height |
| 09:56.04 | jnwhiteh | -1? |
| 09:56.14 | ReAn | yep |
| 09:56.53 | ReAn | shit, they found a healer |
| 09:56.57 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 09:56.57 | ReAn | it's nexus so i have some time |
| 09:57.01 | ReAn | pastey me quick |
| 09:57.02 | jnwhiteh | http://pastebin.ca/1519001 |
| 09:57.04 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:57.17 | jnwhiteh | try closing and opening the frame with the nubbin |
| 09:57.20 | jnwhiteh | make sure the slide still works |
| 09:57.22 | jnwhiteh | then /lh detach |
| 09:57.25 | jnwhiteh | then /lh attach again |
| 09:57.29 | ReAn | kk |
| 09:57.31 | ReAn | 1 sec |
| 09:57.36 | jnwhiteh | np and thank you! |
| 09:57.41 | jnwhiteh | i really appreciate it. |
| 09:58.36 | ReAn | anytime :) |
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| 09:58.46 | ReAn | alignment is good |
| 09:58.49 | Russel-Athletic | hiho |
| 09:58.50 | ReAn | w/ pastey |
| 09:59.06 | ReAn | where was the hide nubin again? |
| 09:59.20 | ReAn | ah |
| 09:59.21 | ReAn | there |
| 09:59.24 | ReAn | closed looks a bit odd |
| 09:59.26 | ReAn | 1 sec |
| 10:00.10 | ReAn | http://images.reanmachine.com/lh_align_3.2-closed.jpg |
| 10:00.45 | jnwhiteh | line 1655 |
| 10:00.50 | jnwhiteh | can you nudge the x cood left |
| 10:00.53 | jnwhiteh | until just teh nub is visible |
| 10:01.02 | jnwhiteh | that'll give us the right offset for closed, and we'll be done =) |
| 10:01.05 | ReAn | detach/attach works |
| 10:01.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-align.html |
| 10:01.25 | Adys | there we go |
| 10:01.39 | Adys | and browsershots is down |
| 10:01.43 | Russel-Athletic | can somebody with a running wow do me a favor and post statistics id for the new battleground (using http://wowuidev.pastey.net/120014) |
| 10:01.43 | jnwhiteh | Adys: doesn't work in safari |
| 10:01.49 | Adys | ya i know |
| 10:01.54 | Adys | need to check IE6/7/8 |
| 10:01.58 | Adys | i changed some of it |
| 10:01.58 | jnwhiteh | just making sure =) |
| 10:02.10 | ReAn | -328 |
| 10:02.12 | ReAn | and we're good |
| 10:02.21 | jnwhiteh | hawt |
| 10:02.23 | jnwhiteh | thanks a bunch! |
| 10:02.24 | ReAn | and im summoned so you'll have to wait 20 mins for me to bang out AN heroic |
| 10:02.26 | ReAn | np |
| 10:03.00 | jnwhiteh | no prblem, thanks. |
| 10:03.03 | jnwhiteh | and <3 AN heroic |
| 10:03.38 | jnwhiteh | http://pastebin.ca/1519003 |
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| 10:04.44 | Fisker | works in ie8 Adys |
| 10:04.50 | Fisker | not in chrome 3.196 |
| 10:05.00 | Adys | what about compat mode? |
| 10:05.22 | Fisker | same except they've been moved a few pixels |
| 10:05.29 | Adys | ok |
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| 10:09.11 | Neffykins | Has anyone here dealt with nameplates before? |
| 10:09.19 | Neffykins | Modding them, that is |
| 10:12.36 | Grum | look at Aloft and cry |
| 10:13.31 | ReAn | yea |
| 10:13.35 | ReAn | i saw aloft and gave up |
| 10:14.12 | Neffykins | I'm looking at my own code and crying |
| 10:14.20 | Neffykins | There's nothing more hackish then modding nameplates |
| 10:14.52 | Neffykins | I figured out what I needed to know but I'm annoyed to hell that I have to use so many workarounds just to do very basic things =( |
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| 10:16.07 | Zyndrome | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13961-caelNameplates.html , learn from that :p |
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| 10:18.55 | jnwhiteh | well the nameplates aren't meant to be modified |
| 10:19.02 | jnwhiteh | so of course you have to use hacks to accomplish it. |
| 10:19.21 | ReAn | ahah! |
| 10:19.25 | ReAn | we got the achievment |
| 10:19.32 | jnwhiteh | hehe =) |
| 10:19.38 | jnwhiteh | we did that accidentally the other day, after a wipe |
| 10:19.41 | ReAn | need any more tweaks/tests? |
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| 10:20.41 | jnwhiteh | i pasteyed the last fiel |
| 10:20.43 | jnwhiteh | and commited it |
| 10:20.50 | jnwhiteh | thanks so much for your help. |
| 10:21.02 | ReAn | np |
| 10:21.25 | Neffykins | Is there any reason this wouldn't work: frame:SetAttribute('*type3','focus') ? |
| 10:21.45 | Neffykins | :SetAttribute('*type1','target') works just fine a line up |
| 10:22.44 | Neffykins | Am I supposed to be setting an additional attribute for this? The wiki page says nothing about one, but it refuses to work. |
| 10:22.59 | Neffykins | 'unit' is properly set already |
| 10:23.29 | jnwhiteh | did you register the button for middle button clicks? |
| 10:24.10 | Neffykins | Ah, that would be it. Didn't realize I needed to. |
| 10:24.56 | krka | what's the * for? |
| 10:25.24 | Neffykins | Wildcard, so it works regardless of modifier |
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| 10:33.25 | Neffykins | Is there any info on using group headers? WoWWiki and the official forums don't seem to have anything |
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| 10:37.28 | jnwhiteh | the last chapter in my book |
| 10:37.34 | jnwhiteh | and the documentation in the templates themselves. |
| 10:38.02 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10222136480&sid=1 <-lol |
| 10:38.50 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 10:40.12 | Wobin | rolls his eyes |
| 10:40.18 | Wobin | crai more idiot =P |
| 10:40.43 | Wobin | He didn't even have the excuse of "I only came back yesterday" =P |
| 10:48.16 | Neffykins | So what, do I make each individual unit frame using the group template? Or is each unit frame supposed to be parented to the one header? |
| 10:49.33 | nevcairiel | Wobin: read three posts down, he was on vacation =P |
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| 10:51.40 | Wobin | no, the second one |
| 10:51.52 | Wobin | the first one read the response and said "Oh, okay then" |
| 10:52.33 | Wobin | he even knew 'rumours about changing the mounts next patch' |
| 10:52.37 | Wobin | and didn't even bother checking |
| 10:52.48 | Wobin | He has -much- better things to be doing, see? |
| 10:52.58 | Wobin | Cause Blizz should TELL HIM THESE THINGS PERSONALLY |
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| 10:53.25 | nevcairiel | the first guy said something about holidays too |
| 10:54.42 | Wobin | The first guy admitted it was his fault for not checking it up and paying attention =P |
| 10:54.54 | Wobin | The second one was all whiny about how come he wasn't INFORMED DAMNIT =P |
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| 10:56.30 | krka | Wobin: what post are you discussing? |
| 10:56.43 | Fisker | stupid cat :( |
| 10:57.18 | Wobin | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10222136480&sid=1 |
| 10:57.20 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10222136480&sid=1 <- |
| 10:57.33 | Fisker | cat keeps attacking my feet ;( |
| 10:59.40 | Cruciformer | hello everyone |
| 11:00.10 | Cruciformer | did anyone try XT-002 after the 3.2 patch? |
| 11:00.20 | Fisker | no |
| 11:00.25 | Fisker | But i heard it's bugged up the wazoo etc. |
| 11:00.30 | Grum | bugged? |
| 11:00.31 | Cruciformer | and then some |
| 11:00.39 | Fisker | Something about massive amounts of adds |
| 11:00.50 | Grum | at least you can do that bomb achievement easily! |
| 11:00.51 | Fisker | Guess hardmode is easier now :D |
| 11:00.53 | Cruciformer | you get about 8 bombots nd 12 minibots out of all 4 trash piles each wave |
| 11:01.05 | Cruciformer | yeah we got the bomb achievement alright :P |
| 11:01.06 | Grum | why on earth would you get stuff from 4 piles? |
| 11:01.07 | Fisker | link achievement Grum |
| 11:01.17 | Grum | [Fist the Fisker] <--- |
| 11:01.25 | Fisker | wrong |
| 11:01.40 | Cruciformer | we all know he prefers ankling to fisting |
| 11:02.51 | Cruciformer | also the trick of tanking him to the left (or right) near 2 piles to prevent adds spawning from those piles seems to no longer work. you get them from all 4 piles every time now no matter where he's tanked. |
| 11:02.59 | Wobin | nevcairiel: hum, how do I get the totembar with BT4? |
| 11:03.10 | nevcairiel | do you use the alpha? |
| 11:03.24 | Wobin | I nabbed it, yes |
| 11:03.30 | Wobin | maybe I need to restart |
| 11:04.05 | Wobin | ah I would, cause there's a new file |
| 11:04.11 | Wobin | for 'multicastbar' =) |
| 11:04.18 | Wobin | kk, I'll figure it out later |
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| 11:13.53 | jnwhiteh | any sign of EU servers? |
| 11:14.08 | Pneu^ | nop |
| 11:14.22 | Pneu^ | launcher now says 1500 CEST |
| 11:14.57 | jnwhiteh | yeah its said that all morning |
| 11:15.08 | krka | not postponed... yet :P |
| 11:15.15 | robotusch | Could be a plot to keep people from logging in all at once |
| 11:15.26 | krka | i suspect they're postponing the postpone announcement |
| 11:15.38 | Pneu^ | well, it said 11 CEST when i went to bed last night :o |
| 11:15.48 | krka | really? i think i read 1500 yesterday |
| 11:16.27 | robotusch | fairly sure it said 11 for quite a while yesterday |
| 11:19.46 | ReAn | hey, just be lucky the eu didn't get shafted like WoW-China |
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| 11:21.26 | robotusch | at least the chinese guys don't have to suffer from corpse spam :D |
| 11:22.04 | robotusch | though I wouldn't be surprised if the spammers could work something out with all those headstones |
| 11:22.27 | krka | blizzard should randomize the corpse rotation and position a bit |
| 11:22.38 | krka | or better yet, randomize it _client_ side |
| 11:22.43 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:23.14 | krka | or run OCR on the map to identify spam |
| 11:23.14 | robotusch | or just disable fall damage in major cities |
| 11:23.34 | krka | is that how they do it? |
| 11:23.39 | robotusch | yeah |
| 11:23.46 | nevcairiel | yeah, teleport hack into the air |
| 11:23.53 | nevcairiel | you can see them falling down when you catch them |
| 11:24.11 | robotusch | they have some tool that lets them modify the z-axis, they get just about insta-banned for using it, but the bodies stay behind |
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| 11:51.16 | Cruciformer | whats the URL for the latest FrameXML thing that jnwhiteh maintains, and is it updated for 3.2? |
| 11:52.17 | Cruciformer | ~framexml |
| 11:52.18 | purl | framexml is probably Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 11:52.25 | Cruciformer | hah! |
| 11:52.33 | Cruciformer | good job purl :) |
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| 12:11.47 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:12.08 | Wobin | Trial of the Champion is interesting enough |
| 12:12.22 | Wobin | waaaay to much monolouging though |
| 12:12.37 | Wobin | half of the encounter is npc talking |
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| 12:25.58 | Fisker | this logic is awesome |
| 12:26.07 | theorbtwo | Sounds like they could just make your corpses disappear when you get banned. |
| 12:26.08 | Fisker | "OMG people are getting their accounts merged to Battle.net" |
| 12:26.25 | Fisker | "Until Blizzard makes it less easy to merge an account to Battle.net i won't merge my account!" |
| 12:26.30 | Fisker | durr |
| 12:26.31 | Fisker | hurr |
| 12:26.32 | Fisker | derp |
| 12:26.33 | Fisker | derp |
| 12:26.53 | theorbtwo | Holy newlines, Batman! |
| 12:27.09 | Kaso | Fisker whats the context of that? |
| 12:27.45 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10222326497&sid=1 |
| 12:27.47 | Fisker | read yourself |
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| 12:28.24 | theorbtwo | Hm, it's been a while since I've heard a story of "I can't log in, if only I hadn't merged my account". |
| 12:28.43 | Cruciformer | happened to me about a weeka nd a half ago |
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| 12:29.18 | Cruciformer | and if you even think of using your trout on me Fisker I'll insert a pickled herring where the sun dont shine :P |
| 12:29.39 | theorbtwo | Right,that's too recent. |
| 12:29.57 | theorbtwo | will continue to not merge his account until I see an actual reason to, and I don't see a downside. |
| 12:29.59 | Cruciformer | thre was a major problem with the authentication servers last week |
| 12:30.13 | Cruciformer | whats the downside? |
| 12:30.27 | theorbtwo | Cruciformer: You sometimes can't log in? |
| 12:30.40 | Fisker | slaps Cruciformer around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:30.47 | Cruciformer | aside from the fact that you have to use an email address and not an account name, and email addresses are much wider known and more public than account names so hackers have 1 less piece of info to get about you? |
| 12:31.10 | Cruciformer | inserts a pickled herring up Fisker's *dark place* |
| 12:31.51 | theorbtwo | My username *is* quite widely known. Possibly more public then my email address. |
| 12:32.00 | Wobin | is it... theorbtwo? |
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| 12:32.07 | Fisker | it's tigole |
| 12:32.08 | theorbtwo | Very good! |
| 12:32.15 | Wobin | why two? |
| 12:32.47 | theorbtwo | Wobin: Because while "theorb" is not uncommonly already taken, I've never seen "theorbtwo" be already taken. |
| 12:32.52 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/mairo_3d.jpg |
| 12:33.17 | Fisker | old mikma |
| 12:33.41 | Wobin | mikma: http://nes--still-the-best.deviantart.com/ |
| 12:34.10 | Cruciformer | I cant wait for xperl to be fixed :/ |
| 12:34.18 | mikma | fisker: -> insert care that way |
| 12:34.24 | Fisker | unless it's a real game it doesn't count Wobin |
| 12:34.49 | Wobin | what's a real game? |
| 12:35.04 | Fisker | mikma -> insert fisker: -> insert care that way that way |
| 12:35.22 | mikma | yes, you are a copycat. and a troll. |
| 12:35.28 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:35.28 | mikma | we know already |
| 12:35.48 | Fisker | my true identity has been found out |
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| 13:04.03 | Wobin | anyone else having problems with the new 'class colouring' in chat? |
| 13:04.55 | alestane | AAAND there something like a dozen threads asking what went wrong with /castrandom. |
| 13:05.05 | alestane | Wobin: What sort of problems? |
| 13:05.38 | Wobin | hm, maybe it's g2g that's not hooking properly |
| 13:06.48 | foxlit | alestane: time to write an addon to fix it? :) |
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| 13:07.31 | BloodStoney | hi, anyone free that can take a question? |
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| 13:08.12 | Elkano | ~asktoask |
| 13:08.13 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 13:08.21 | Elkano | :P |
| 13:08.34 | BloodStoney | ok |
| 13:09.03 | foxlit | But did it actually break companions as they describe? |
| 13:09.17 | foxlit | Or is that just stupidity. |
| 13:09.42 | BloodStoney | i get an error attempt to call global 'btnClear_OnClick' (a nil value) on a function in LUA, it's referenced in the xml any one know what it could be? |
| 13:09.55 | krka | BloodStoney: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA :-D |
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| 13:10.35 | Cruciformer | capitalisation nazis - so useful. world needs more of them. |
| 13:10.54 | Elkano | o/ |
| 13:11.07 | _rane | idd |
| 13:11.08 | Elkano | runs and hides |
| 13:11.14 | alestane | Yes, although I believe that particular response is scripted by now. |
| 13:12.42 | Cruciformer | the fact that people care enough about it to waste the energy scripting it is even more sad. |
| 13:13.59 | BloodStoney | aye# |
| 13:14.06 | foxlit | pokes the servers. Are you up yet? |
| 13:14.29 | foxlit | sighs. No, they are not. |
| 13:14.43 | justthisguy | comforts foxlit |
| 13:14.47 | justthisguy | gently pats foxlit |
| 13:14.50 | Industrial | I have here in my hands, the fattest joint I've rolled so far. |
| 13:14.58 | BloodStoney | great |
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| 13:15.26 | BloodStoney | anyone care? |
| 13:15.43 | justthisguy | ooh, just checked again and some servers are coming up |
| 13:15.47 | Cruciformer | BloodStoney: you have given us very little information to go on. which mod? Was it updated for 3.2? |
| 13:15.57 | Industrial | BloodStoney: you do it seems, why so negative |
| 13:17.01 | BloodStoney | im developing the mod, i know it's very little info. im updated the ##interface number to 30200 the ID of the error, if it helps, was 7 :S |
| 13:17.16 | BloodStoney | @industrial - I'm a very negative person :P |
| 13:18.19 | Cruciformer | sorry BloodStoney they info is just too vague without you pasting the xml or the LUA (intentionally capitalised to irritate people) code |
| 13:18.29 | BloodStoney | lol |
| 13:18.49 | BloodStoney | capitilisation irritates you? |
| 13:18.50 | BloodStoney | wow |
| 13:18.55 | Cruciformer | not me |
| 13:19.01 | Cruciformer | i couldnt give a rats ass |
| 13:19.07 | BloodStoney | thank god for that |
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| 13:19.56 | Cruciformer | if you are refering to the One True Deity, thats spelled "God" :P |
| 13:20.10 | BloodStoney | u wanna see the LUA / XML or should I just quit irc now? |
| 13:20.16 | krka | BloodStoney: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. ;-) |
| 13:20.21 | BloodStoney | LUA |
| 13:20.25 | Cruciformer | paste it on wowui.pastey.net and I'll take a look |
| 13:20.52 | BloodStoney | ty cruciformer |
| 13:21.27 | robotusch | f'aww |
| 13:21.30 | robotusch | Fisker |
| 13:21.34 | robotusch | they locked my realms :( |
| 13:22.18 | krka | Cruciformer: If you're referring to a http link, you should prefix it with http:// :-) |
| 13:22.58 | Cruciformer | no I shouldnt any browser made in the last 10 years inserts that automagically :) |
| 13:23.53 | krka | Cruciformer: If you're writing multiple sentences, you should seperate them with a period. :-) |
| 13:24.16 | foxlit | It'll be comments about using capital letters next :/ |
| 13:24.58 | Cruciformer | If you are writing in English you should terminate a sentence with a period not a smiley. |
| 13:25.24 | BloodStoney | XML |
| 13:25.24 | BloodStoney | http://wowui.pastey.net/120019 |
| 13:25.24 | BloodStoney | LUA |
| 13:25.24 | BloodStoney | http://wowui.pastey.net/120020 |
| 13:25.39 | BloodStoney | ty again for taking time to look at it cruciformer |
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| 13:29.33 | Cruciformer | I cant see anything obvious but then I dont use XML for my mod. I would hazard a guess its a namespace issue and that you should make the function and the call in your mymod" namespace. So function mymod:OnClick() and then call mymod:OnClick() from within your XML. Just a guess tho, don't quote me. |
| 13:29.56 | BloodStoney | ty cruciformer, gives me something to go on |
| 13:30.15 | krka | i don't think that's it. are you sure the lua is loaded at the time of the click? |
| 13:30.20 | Cruciformer | The other thing you can try is change the order of your XML and Lua files in your TPOC |
| 13:30.38 | Cruciformer | just in case that actually makes the Lua file load and parse first so the function is in the global namespace before the XML is parsed. |
| 13:30.56 | Cruciformer | krka: I was just busy typing about that :) |
| 13:31.10 | krka | the order shouldn't matter, as long as the lua is loaded before it's clicked |
| 13:31.11 | BloodStoney | ahh i see |
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| 13:32.06 | foxlit | You do know that your lua file doesn't parse, right? |
| 13:32.28 | foxlit | My apologies; the phrasing of that question was silly. |
| 13:32.48 | foxlit | Your Lua file does not parse, and is therefore not executed. You are not seeing any errors because you probably did not enable "Show Lua errors" in interface options. |
| 13:33.09 | foxlit | Or perhaps something suppresses them during loading. |
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| 13:33.31 | krka | ah good point foxlit |
| 13:33.32 | krka | luac: tmp.lua:14: 'then' expected near '!' |
| 13:33.36 | Elkano | jnwhiteh ping! |
| 13:33.38 | BloodStoney | i got errors to show, that's how i knew there was an error |
| 13:33.52 | krka | you wrote != instead of ~= |
| 13:34.17 | Elkano | they changed GetDifficultyColor to GetQuestDifficultyColor ^^ |
| 13:34.19 | krka | tip: run "luac -p *.lua" before reloading the game to test the addon |
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| 13:34.30 | krka | it catches a lot of stupid bugs |
| 13:34.35 | Elkano | oh... wrong channel.. |
| 13:34.36 | BloodStoney | oh thats (!=) not legal in lua then? |
| 13:34.42 | krka | correct |
| 13:35.09 | BloodStoney | ty |
| 13:35.12 | Cruciformer | well you wont get arrested for it, so I guess its legal. It just wont work :) |
| 13:35.24 | BloodStoney | lol |
| 13:35.30 | krka | you may want to make item_link local too |
| 13:35.34 | BloodStoney | yeah yeah, taunt the noob |
| 13:35.51 | BloodStoney | so used to C++ |
| 13:35.54 | Cruciformer | krka is giving you good advice, not taunting |
| 13:36.03 | BloodStoney | i meant you :P |
| 13:36.12 | krka | Cruciformer: in a programming context, it's common to use the term legal for stuff that follows the spec and/or is valid |
| 13:36.43 | mikma | krka: nothing came up when i ran it in OhSnap dir, is that a good or a bad thing? ;) |
| 13:36.56 | Cruciformer | krka: I am aware. In conversations it is common to make a pun on known usages of a word. In many parts of the world that is refered to as "having a sense of humour". |
| 13:37.29 | BloodStoney | ty guys / gals! |
| 13:38.22 | krka | Cruciformer: yeah, but it's unclear if that sense is good or bad :) |
| 13:39.00 | Cruciformer | That good sir, is a judgement call not an empirical quality. |
| 13:41.10 | BloodStoney | ahaha it works! where do you guys live....im coming to give y'all a big kiss! |
| 13:41.11 | foxlit | do keep at it, you two |
| 13:41.21 | foxlit | I need more entertainment -- now, even the server status page is down. :( |
| 13:41.43 | Cruciformer | foxlit: all in good fun .. when two pedants get in the same room, hilarity can ensue. |
| 13:41.58 | Cruciformer | it can also be excrutiatingly tedious. |
| 13:42.34 | foxlit | "UPDATE: It's been CONFIRMED. The change is intended! There is no longer a faction restriction on PvP realms in preparation for the faction change service, according to Eyonix over at the official forums. " |
| 13:43.30 | Cruciformer | anyone associated with atlasloot in here? |
| 13:43.40 | Nihlo | yes |
| 13:43.57 | Cruciformer | just downloaaded 5.07.00 and the sets/collections pullout menu is empty. |
| 13:44.02 | Nihlo | http://atlasmod.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1713 |
| 13:44.28 | Nihlo | since my realm is still off...can't look into it^^ |
| 13:45.04 | Nihlo | take a screen and report it here: http://www.daviesh.net/atlasloot_enhanced/phpBB3/ dave should be still around |
| 13:45.26 | Cruciformer | meh then I have to register for yet another site. |
| 13:45.45 | Nihlo | curse-ticket |
| 13:45.50 | Nihlo | or comment |
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| 13:45.56 | Cruciformer | since you're obviously already registered pls let him know :P |
| 13:46.50 | Nihlo | *sigh*^^ ok...plz a detailed report to c&p^^ |
| 13:48.32 | Cruciformer | Im trying to make a ticket for it but I cant see where on curse. |
| 13:49.26 | Nihlo | I'll post for you on atlasloot...just 2 sentences and maybe a pic |
| 13:49.29 | Cruciformer | Detailed reporrt: Type /al. Press "Select Loot Table". "Sets/Collections" is empty (has no pullouts). |
| 13:49.50 | Nihlo | ok |
| 13:49.57 | Pneu^ | anyone got a the pastey of the api diff handy? |
| 13:50.59 | theorbtwo | Hm, 10 minutes until EU is back up, in theory. |
| 13:51.10 | foxlit | theorbtwo: they postponed to 16? |
| 13:51.16 | theorbtwo | Oh, hell. |
| 13:51.18 | Cruciformer | with all due respect to those that made it and thought it was good, but teh curse web layout sucks fettid dingos kidneys |
| 13:51.22 | theorbtwo | is an idiot. |
| 13:51.22 | foxlit | no, no. |
| 13:51.30 | foxlit | Last I read, it was 15:00, which is 51 minutes ago. |
| 13:51.39 | theorbtwo | I'm on british time, so server time is an hour off. |
| 13:53.53 | Cruciformer | Ah never mind Nihlo he changed it to be a full page thingy instead of a pullout like it used to be. The content is there. |
| 13:54.20 | Nihlo | 2 late^^ |
| 13:54.59 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 13:55.04 | Fisker | Ravencrest extended maintanence |
| 13:55.07 | Fisker | ae you surprised? |
| 13:55.10 | Fisker | are* |
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| 13:55.43 | foxlit | Hey, it's up. |
| 13:56.11 | Fisker | screw your server |
| 13:56.11 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:56.13 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/120021 |
| 13:56.25 | Fisker | Well atleast they fucked up the Battle.net accounts again as they claimed wouldn't happen again |
| 13:56.31 | Fisker | So i'll probably be able to login sometime tomorrow |
| 13:56.32 | Fisker | bai |
| 13:56.40 | jnwhiteh | i am logged in now on my bnet account |
| 13:56.42 | jnwhiteh | what did they fuck up? |
| 13:56.49 | Fisker | The same thing as before |
| 13:56.58 | jnwhiteh | which was? |
| 13:57.04 | Fisker | US battle.net accounts (And for some reason some EU accounts as well) cannot connect |
| 13:57.19 | jnwhiteh | neat! |
| 13:57.26 | Cruciformer | im connected just fine |
| 13:57.45 | theorbtwo | I'm stuck at "authenticating" on an EU, non-battle.net account. |
| 13:57.49 | robotusch | :D |
| 13:57.59 | Fisker | that's just lag theorbtwo :o |
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| 13:58.11 | theorbtwo | Yeah, happens to me a lot. |
| 13:58.52 | theorbtwo | Changed DSL plan, was hoping to see how it effected my lag & such, but this isn't really a fair test... |
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| 14:04.44 | p3lim | gah converting all addons from svn to git takes time |
| 14:05.01 | p3lim | anyone got a clue how I can redo the directories? |
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| 14:05.36 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:05.43 | Cruciformer | sup kneeki |
| 14:05.58 | Cruciformer | thnks for the new atlas daviesh :) |
| 14:06.46 | Daviesh | no worries |
| 14:06.46 | Nihlo | hmm ? there's no new atlas...dave around ? |
| 14:06.51 | Daviesh | AtlasLoot |
| 14:06.57 | Nihlo | yes |
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| 14:07.23 | Daviesh | I saw your post Nihlo, the lack of 'pullouts' is intentional |
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| 14:07.40 | Kaso | Great, so i just merged with battle.net and now i can't log in |
| 14:07.45 | Daviesh | Where possible, the Atlas menu is used, so you just click on whatever item you want to see (like T9 sets) |
| 14:07.56 | foxlit | wonders why the EU client lists RU realms even when it can't connect to them. |
| 14:07.58 | Daviesh | That way I only have to update one set of code |
| 14:08.05 | Nihlo | yeah couldn't take a look at the new al yet |
| 14:08.13 | Kaso | Seem to be getting a "400 Bad Request" connecting to auth.eu.depot.battle.net:1119 >< |
| 14:09.07 | p3lim | in git / console, is there a way to redo last action? |
| 14:09.25 | p3lim | undo* |
| 14:09.44 | haste | did you push? |
| 14:09.47 | p3lim | no |
| 14:09.54 | haste | just use reset then |
| 14:10.04 | p3lim | i did git mv <file> ..\newdir |
| 14:10.08 | p3lim | but it failed bigtime |
| 14:10.44 | p3lim | tried reset, didnt do anything to the directory, though according to the log it did something |
| 14:10.55 | p3lim | <file>: locally modified it said |
| 14:11.51 | p3lim | but nothing happened |
| 14:12.07 | p3lim | in the original file there is now a file called '..newdir' |
| 14:12.11 | jnwhiteh | Where is the Argent Crusade guy who sells the squire upgrade and stuff. |
| 14:12.11 | Cruciformer | Daviesh: that was a bug report from me when I saw there was no pullout. I didnt actually click it and see the loot table with all of the sets. |
| 14:13.04 | Daviesh | Just click on it, and the Sets/Collections menu will appear as a 'loot table' |
| 14:13.20 | Daviesh | Then just click on anything you like |
| 14:13.36 | Cruciformer | yeah I saw that after I reported the bug, its all good. |
| 14:14.27 | jnwhiteh | Adys: hlep! |
| 14:14.39 | Adys | sup |
| 14:14.55 | jnwhiteh | trying to find the vendor for the new crusader items |
| 14:15.03 | jnwhiteh | but don't know how to filter for it on sigrie |
| 14:15.06 | Adys | to your left |
| 14:15.08 | jnwhiteh | i r teh fail. |
| 14:15.09 | Adys | oh. |
| 14:15.14 | Daviesh | Have a good one guys, almost midnight here and I have to up at 5:45am :-( |
| 14:15.17 | p3lim | meh ill clone again |
| 14:15.21 | Adys | no idea i havent played in 3.2 |
| 14:15.28 | Adys | its on mmoc somewhere |
| 14:15.33 | Adys | theres a recap page |
| 14:15.34 | p3lim | takes ages to clone a svn repo with ~100 revisions to git |
| 14:16.24 | jnwhiteh | ah found it, sorry for the ping |
| 14:16.31 | Adys | you better be |
| 14:16.32 | Adys | I was busy |
| 14:16.35 | Adys | very busy |
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| 14:16.38 | Adys | you interrupted me |
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| 14:16.53 | jnwhiteh | so busy that irc distractd you :P |
| 14:16.54 | jnwhiteh | snickers |
| 14:17.04 | Adys | exactly |
| 14:17.46 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.50 | Cruciformer | Zeksie: ping? |
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| 14:18.46 | jnwhiteh | whats easier to get.. 40 emblems of heroism or 60 argent champion tokens. |
| 14:18.58 | Adys | heroism emblems |
| 14:18.59 | Zeksie | i'm here |
| 14:19.24 | Zeksie | battling with login. |
| 14:19.31 | Zeksie | (losing) |
| 14:20.20 | Cruciformer | Zeksie: the zperl you just released still has a bug with the target or target. Line 202 of XPerl_TargetTarget.lua needs to have the "UnitIsPlusMob(partyid) or" bit removed |
| 14:20.31 | Cruciformer | s /zperl/xperl/ |
| 14:20.41 | Zeksie | bleh. ok |
| 14:20.47 | Cruciformer | s /target or target/target of target/ |
| 14:21.05 | Zeksie | can't even log in atm. may be an hour or so before i can get a fix up |
| 14:21.42 | Cruciformer | its cool Ive fixed mine localyy ... if a fix isnt up before our guild raids tonight Ill just upload my fixed one to your guild forums |
| 14:22.04 | Zeksie | yeh. changed mine to: elseif (strfind(UnitClassification(partyid) or "", "elite")) then |
| 14:22.11 | Zeksie | which will cope with elite and rareeliete |
| 14:23.34 | Cruciformer | i assume those arent localised strings and always returned by the api? |
| 14:23.40 | Cruciformer | (I havent looked up the API) |
| 14:24.03 | Zeksie | not localised. correct |
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| 14:28.26 | Industrial | any shamans can tell me how the new totem bars work or an article about them? :P |
| 14:28.37 | Industrial | I dont see how to drop sets |
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| 14:31.03 | foxlit | patch notes? |
| 14:31.59 | Industrial | it just mentions it |
| 14:32.09 | Nihlo | why is there a 7.0 and a 7.1 version ? |
| 14:32.40 | Nihlo | daviesh |
| 14:32.42 | jnwhiteh | Industrial: go to your trainer |
| 14:32.50 | jnwhiteh | learn the call of <blah> spells |
| 14:33.10 | Industrial | ah |
| 14:33.12 | Pneu^ | Industrial: select a call spell, pick your 4 totems, hit the call spell |
| 14:33.19 | Pneu^ | oh yeh, you have to train them :) |
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| 14:34.13 | Pneu^ | 3 sets clearly isnt enough though :< |
| 14:34.38 | Pneu^ | i never tried, is there a way to only drop 3 totems with a call, rather than 4? |
| 14:34.49 | Industrial | you have dual specs, use 1 for each and another to mess around with depending on the situation ? |
| 14:35.01 | Pneu^ | no, not dualspec |
| 14:35.49 | Pneu^ | but tremor totem/SoA/Stoneskin are interchangable on different fights |
| 14:35.52 | Pneu^ | and group comps |
| 14:36.11 | jnwhiteh | so change them? :P |
| 14:36.15 | jnwhiteh | write an addon to change them for you |
| 14:36.31 | Pneu^ | and in arena it gets more complicated as well |
| 14:36.55 | Pneu^ | tremor if the opponents fear, grounding if they have a caster, etc |
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| 14:38.25 | Pneu^ | its not a massive isue, but being able to drop say 3 totems in a set might be useful |
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| 14:39.33 | alestane | You can leave a blank space in a set. |
| 14:39.48 | _rane | for some reason [ ] Display Lua errors does not hide error popups for me |
| 14:39.51 | alestane | Just that then dropping the totem to fill it will cost you another GCD. |
| 14:40.17 | _rane | it's not the default error dialog though |
| 14:40.19 | Pneu^ | yeh |
| 14:40.39 | alestane | They incorporated Swatter into the stock UI more or less. |
| 14:40.51 | jnwhiteh | ImprovedErrorFrame more specifically |
| 14:41.10 | Elkano | it sucks though ^^ |
| 14:41.22 | jnwhiteh | "sucks" if very descriptive! |
| 14:41.24 | Elkano | reenabled BugSack and hat my problems solved in no time |
| 14:41.26 | jnwhiteh | s/if/is/ |
| 14:41.51 | Elkano | well, for some reason it created c stack overflows itself :/ |
| 14:42.08 | alestane | It should also be easier to hook, if I remember the code correctly, although that may be a six-of-one issue. |
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| 14:42.46 | Pneu^ | jnwhiteh: looks like framestack didnt get changed, and ive still got the same issues on live :< |
| 14:43.06 | Pneu^ | jnwhiteh: no addons running, /framestack and mouseover playerframe and i just get WorldFrame |
| 14:43.20 | Pneu^ | same with the minimap cluster |
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| 14:43.31 | jnwhiteh | Pneu^: I cannot reproduce either of your issues |
| 14:43.37 | jnwhiteh | hence the problem :P |
| 14:43.44 | Pneu^ | hmm |
| 14:43.50 | Pneu^ | i wonder if its because im windowed |
| 14:43.56 | jnwhiteh | i'm windowed |
| 14:44.31 | Wobin | Industrial: figured it out? |
| 14:44.36 | jnwhiteh | i figured it out |
| 14:44.39 | jnwhiteh | took me about 3 seconds |
| 14:44.45 | Pneu^ | its uiscale |
| 14:44.46 | jnwhiteh | its a UIScale issue |
| 14:44.48 | Pneu^ | thats causing problems |
| 14:44.50 | Pneu^ | haha |
| 14:45.06 | Industrial | Wobin: yes |
| 14:45.15 | jnwhiteh | well i'll report it. |
| 14:45.22 | Pneu^ | jnwhiteh: i've found playerframe, 1/3 of the way down the screen :) |
| 14:45.40 | jnwhiteh | this is why reporting issues in the right channels helps get things fixed =) |
| 14:46.06 | Pneu^ | well, i reported it through the stupid tool several times on PTR, but its living proof that EU is ignored |
| 14:46.20 | jnwhiteh | well that tool is for _other_ things |
| 14:46.26 | jnwhiteh | UI issues there are more direct channels. |
| 14:47.34 | Pneu^ | oh well, back to DevTools for a bit longer |
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| 14:57.01 | Neffykins | Say I have a function which returns creates, indexes and then returns an object. If I call that function and store the object at a local, but the local doesn't get used or referenced, and then the object is later deleted from the function's index, it gets GCed, right? |
| 14:58.49 | jnwhiteh | reload> |
| 14:58.51 | foxlit | Variables that you can no longer access are eventually GCed. |
| 14:59.35 | Neffykins | Better yet I'm mistaken. The local is accessed by a function. What happens if that function is never called and then gets GCed itself, will its reference to the object lock it up? |
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| 15:00.03 | foxlit | It works. Don't think about it. |
| 15:00.10 | Fisker | i r bord jnwhiteh :( |
| 15:00.39 | Neffykins | lol |
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| 15:03.20 | alestane | When a local passes out of scope, and hasn't become an upvalue, it is no longer a valid reference to its contents, so if there are no other references to that value or object, it can be GC'd. |
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| 15:03.55 | alestane | If a closure is garbage-collected, its upvalues are no longer sustaining references, either. |
| 15:05.13 | Neffykins | Thanks for the third time today. :) |
| 15:06.05 | alestane | That doesn't mean that those things will definitely get GC'd if there are other sustaining references to them. |
| 15:06.35 | Neffykins | I know that much. There wouldn't be. |
| 15:09.12 | alestane | But what the Lua GC does is scan various lists (the global environment, the Lua registry, the upvalue list), and iterate over their descendants until it can't find anything unique...then it goes through a master list of objects and marks anything it didn't find in the first pass for deletion...so it's very hard to impossible for a sustaining reference to an object to get lost but still preserve the object. |
| 15:12.31 | mikma | Teen Killed At Chinese Internet Addiction Camp |
| 15:12.40 | mikma | "Sixteen-year-old Deng Senshan was tragically beaten to death by three of his instructors in an internet addiction camp in the Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region of China. Reportedly it was for not being able to run fast enough. |
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| 15:13.18 | nicoli_s | sounds like a good reason to me |
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| 15:13.33 | mikma | "You may recall electroshock treatment being banned from use on internet addicts in China." |
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| 15:17.53 | Fisker | hello nicoli_s |
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| 15:18.07 | Fisker | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 15:20.04 | nicoli_s | sc2! |
| 15:20.49 | nicoli_s | man i love having music at work now |
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| 15:23.56 | Legorol | Now that the realms are up: does anyone know what's the cost of the new epic gem designs? How many JC tokens do they cost? |
| 15:24.16 | Legorol | Also, are all of them available on the vendor, or only some of them, with rest being world drops/rep based etc., like with the rare gem designs? |
| 15:24.45 | alestane | And why does Routes keep protesting that data is missing for Hrothgar's Landing? |
| 15:25.07 | Awgy | Has anyone else had a few addons completely disappear from their addons folder since the patch? |
| 15:26.56 | Awgy | I've had a few guildies say their addons folder was completely reset and others just have addons missing, such as Dominos, Elkano's Buff Bars, and Item Rack. |
| 15:29.17 | Nihlo | sounds like a bad auto-updater |
| 15:29.44 | Awgy | I'll check into that, thanks =) |
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| 15:31.42 | Kaso| | Has anyone ever had problems with Battle.net merged accounts and linux? |
| 15:32.01 | Kaso | woops was already connected |
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| 15:32.44 | Shirik__ | hai |
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| 15:34.59 | Shirik__ | sighs |
| 15:35.00 | Shirik__ | I can't win |
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| 15:35.22 | cog|away | lops off Shirik__'s tail |
| 15:35.25 | Shirik__ | that works |
| 15:36.29 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:36.32 | Fisker | i cannot connect! |
| 15:37.08 | zenzelezz | that's to save all the nubs from you |
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| 15:42.33 | Shirik | Fisker: My hax are working |
| 15:43.10 | Fisker | stop hax |
| 15:45.52 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-emptycells.html |
| 15:45.53 | Adys | and another one down |
| 15:47.05 | zenzelezz | seems to work in Firefox too |
| 15:49.07 | Slafshnng | doesn't in safari |
| 15:49.15 | Adys | seeing as this is a webkit bug |
| 15:49.17 | Adys | like you know |
| 15:49.17 | wsoul | anyone in EU having issues with the massive lag? |
| 15:49.20 | Adys | webkit in the filename |
| 15:49.49 | Slafshnng | I assumed the direct opposite ;P |
| 15:50.04 | zenzelezz | Adys: I've not been following your tale, so I didn't know you were working on a bug. Thought you were just testing things |
| 15:50.16 | Adys | was for Slafshnng |
| 15:50.17 | Adys | :P |
| 15:50.27 | zenzelezz | whistles |
| 15:50.29 | zenzelezz | I knew that... |
| 15:50.36 | Adys | your mom knew that |
| 15:50.52 | zenzelezz | probably. I'm the one with poor social skills |
| 15:51.04 | mikma | so, anyone knows a temporary fix for the " FrameXML\UIParent.lua:232: attempt to concatenate local 'reason' (a nil value)" -error? |
| 15:51.32 | Adys | mikma: reason = "" |
| 15:51.37 | zenzelezz | so... there is no reason? o_O |
| 15:51.38 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:52.33 | jnwhiteh | Something needs to hook LoadAddon |
| 15:52.37 | jnwhiteh | and if it returns nil, nil |
| 15:52.44 | jnwhiteh | then instead return nil, "dummy" |
| 15:53.04 | Pneu^ | is 232 message(format(ADDON_LOAD_FAILED, name, _G["ADDON_"..reason]));? |
| 15:53.19 | jnwhiteh | almost certainly, yes |
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| 15:53.30 | jnwhiteh | LoadAddOn is appearently not returning a reason when called before PLAYER_something |
| 15:54.01 | dardack | sigh |
| 15:54.10 | dardack | couldn't get every heroic instance in before reset |
| 15:54.16 | Kaso | Anyone ever had problems connecting after merging a battlenet account, I'm seeing this on Wireshark, which isnt encouraging: http://pastey.net/120028 |
| 15:54.26 | dardack | kaso not me |
| 15:54.29 | Kaso | Either someone is attacking me with sslstrip, or something's messed up >< |
| 15:54.33 | dardack | and about 8 other people i know are merged |
| 15:54.47 | Spellbinder | can't you turn the screensaver off in Sabayon? |
| 15:54.53 | Adys | strips kaso's wires with a secure shark layer. |
| 15:55.06 | zenzelezz | just strips |
| 15:55.14 | Kaso | lol |
| 15:56.18 | Shirik | I just got an AccessViolationException |
| 15:56.22 | Shirik | in something that's 100% .NET |
| 15:56.24 | Shirik | how is that even possible |
| 15:56.45 | Fisker | giev servers jnwhiteh |
| 15:56.46 | Fisker | or Shirik |
| 15:56.46 | Kaso | anyone know a iptables rule to redirect attempted requests to auth.eu.depot.battle.net:1119 to port 80 >< |
| 15:56.47 | Fisker | one of you |
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| 15:58.22 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I have mine =) |
| 15:58.40 | Pneu^ | i dont have mine :< |
| 16:09.36 | mikma | [19:08:41] You now have the ability to trade Bind on Pickup items between party/raid |
| 16:09.39 | mikma | [19:08:41] members participating in the boss kill, for up to two hours after the item has been looted. |
| 16:10.56 | jnwhiteh | yes |
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| 16:14.57 | Fisker | why so port 80 Kaso _ |
| 16:15.00 | Fisker | ? |
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| 16:16.04 | Kaso | well from my wireshark, wow appears to be attempting to connect to 1119 but sending stuff in plain text, the server doesnt like that and fails, however if i manually go to the address its trying to go to but on port 80 it seems to work |
| 16:16.08 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/120028 |
| 16:16.32 | Kaso | so http://auth.eu.depot.battle.net:1119/f6aba5c5c77dde9484ea718ac8be35bd4fd49293849fdee1871320fd2ee5dff2.auth |
| 16:16.33 | Kaso | fails |
| 16:16.38 | Kaso | http://auth.eu.depot.battle.net/f6aba5c5c77dde9484ea718ac8be35bd4fd49293849fdee1871320fd2ee5dff2.auth |
| 16:16.40 | Kaso | works |
| 16:16.46 | Kaso | and https://auth.eu.depot.battle.net:1119/f6aba5c5c77dde9484ea718ac8be35bd4fd49293849fdee1871320fd2ee5dff2.auth |
| 16:16.47 | Kaso | works |
| 16:16.56 | Kaso | the last two seem to download the same windows binary file |
| 16:17.10 | Fisker | what program is that? :3 |
| 16:17.14 | Kaso | WoW |
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| 16:17.27 | Kaso | since i merged with battle net its done that >< |
| 16:17.28 | Kaso | i cant connect |
| 16:17.34 | Fisker | old |
| 16:17.44 | Fisker | But i was talking about the program from the depot thing |
| 16:18.04 | Fisker | you could tell technical support when the forums goes online again |
| 16:18.19 | Kaso | thats just the traffic i captured with wireshark while i was trying to connect on wow |
| 16:18.22 | Fisker | Even though they'll probably be like ??? and then ignore you |
| 16:18.30 | Kaso | tech support forums wont help me raid tonight either >< |
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| 16:19.17 | Lunessa | station? |
| 16:19.21 | mikma | gas. |
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| 16:19.25 | Kaso | Oddly, i can connect to my friend's battlenet merged account, but not mine |
| 16:19.28 | Fisker | rehttp://forum.slicehost.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=2497 <-taken a look at this? |
| 16:19.32 | Kaso | The only difference is he has a authenticator |
| 16:19.37 | Fisker | Yarr Kaso it's a US thing |
| 16:21.10 | Fisker | infact i can login by changing to the US b.net server |
| 16:21.14 | Fisker | but it doesn't show any servers online |
| 16:21.19 | Kaso | hmm |
| 16:21.51 | Fisker | lol |
| 16:21.52 | Fisker | now it worked |
| 16:22.30 | Kaso | what exactly? |
| 16:22.30 | Fisker | Changing realmlistbn to us.logon.battle.net (logging in) then logging out, changing it back to eu.logon.battle.net = fix |
| 16:22.34 | Kaso | oh |
| 16:23.29 | Kaso | Fisker, i love you |
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| 16:23.37 | Fisker | i love you too |
| 16:23.51 | Kaso | So is that a known bug or? |
| 16:24.05 | Fisker | yeah there's like a 20 page topic about it on the technical support forum |
| 16:24.08 | Shirik | [09:23] <Kaso> Fisker, i love you |
| 16:24.13 | Shirik | Something I never expected to be said |
| 16:24.15 | Fisker | But as usual they don't know shit :P |
| 16:24.30 | Fisker | There was a patch a while ago |
| 16:24.32 | sacarasc | Shirik: Just because no one will ever love you doesn't mean the same for Fisker. |
| 16:24.49 | Fisker | But it failed at some point because the webseed was putting out mac data for that specific "part" |
| 16:24.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:25.04 | Fisker | So it kinda blended the PC torrent with mac data which made it fail the hash check |
| 16:25.54 | Fisker | I told them that the webseed was delivering the wrong "torrent" but they just dismissed it as "working as intended" |
| 16:26.47 | Fisker | But for some odd reason you could get the right part if you accessed the data directly in your browser |
| 16:27.03 | Fisker | So i fixed it by getting the single part that was bad and seeded for the rest :P |
| 16:27.22 | Fisker | Oh and the tech guy then used that to say that i was wrong |
| 16:27.23 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 16:28.22 | Fisker | btw Kaso did you access the console or did you do it by changing realmlist.wtf? |
| 16:31.20 | Kaso | Fisker, just with realmlist |
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| 16:32.10 | Fisker | i wonder if it was set at a wrong value to begin with |
| 16:32.17 | Shirik | Fisker: :( |
| 16:32.20 | Shirik | why so ;_; |
| 16:32.25 | Fisker | or maybe not wrong but atleast a server which currently doesn't work |
| 16:32.27 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:32.43 | Kaso | it was eu while i was having problems, its one of the things i checked while troubleshooting |
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| 16:33.19 | Fisker | realmlistbn by default isn't defined |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker | brb |
| 16:35.17 | Fisker | The reason why i'm saying is because i've never heard of auth.eu.depot.battle.net :o |
| 16:35.26 | Fisker | was thinking it might've been incorrectly set tot that |
| 16:35.28 | Fisker | to that* |
| 16:36.33 | Kaso | hmm |
| 16:36.46 | Kaso | well that wasnt in realmlist im pretty sure |
| 16:37.14 | Kaso | Why did they move the "put in bags" option on the blizzard equipment manager, thats annoying |
| 16:37.32 | Fisker | they made a new category for it i think |
| 16:38.13 | Fisker | rage |
| 16:38.19 | Fisker | winpcap doesn't support Windows 7 |
| 16:38.57 | Kaso | thats odd |
| 16:39.03 | sacarasc | No snort for Fisker. |
| 16:39.21 | Fisker | well could just run in compatibility mode |
| 16:39.36 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-overflow.html |
| 16:39.40 | Adys | and another one down |
| 16:39.41 | Adys | \o/ |
| 16:39.49 | Adys | I'm on fire |
| 16:40.11 | mikma | ~framexml |
| 16:40.12 | purl | i guess framexml is Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 16:40.47 | Kaso | that one fails in firefox too Adys |
| 16:40.54 | Fisker | QQ |
| 16:40.58 | Fisker | fails in chrome as well |
| 16:41.01 | mikma | purl: no, framexml is <reply> http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 16:41.01 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 16:41.40 | Adys | Kaso: you mean, firefox fails too, Adys |
| 16:41.47 | Kaso | i mean i see red |
| 16:41.53 | Adys | ya |
| 16:41.56 | Adys | got opera? |
| 16:41.59 | Kaso | nope |
| 16:42.03 | Adys | got IE? |
| 16:42.07 | Kaso | sorry :( |
| 16:42.12 | Adys | fucker |
| 16:46.30 | Shirik | wow |
| 16:46.32 | Shirik | such hostility |
| 16:47.02 | Adys | your mom's hostile |
| 16:48.35 | Legorol | mikma: why remove the link to the official addon kit? |
| 16:49.22 | mikma | legorol: it's been throwing error for like half a year now |
| 16:49.33 | Legorol | oh |
| 16:49.37 | Legorol | that'd explain it :D |
| 16:49.40 | mikma | :) |
| 16:49.52 | alestane | The one I got from the latest link worked fine. |
| 16:49.58 | Legorol | isn't there a more uptodate link? |
| 16:51.24 | jnwhiteh | newest FrameXML compares up on wowprogramming.com |
| 16:51.36 | Lunessa | Holy shit. 4 pages of crap since 7 pm last night. |
| 16:51.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh: \o/ |
| 16:52.02 | alestane | Yes, /castrandom "broke', among other things. |
| 16:52.24 | jnwhiteh | LoadAddon being one of the more annoying breakages. |
| 16:52.46 | mikma | purl: no, framexml is <reply> Offical: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 16:52.47 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 16:52.51 | mikma | offical! haha |
| 16:52.57 | mikma | purl: no, framexml is <reply> Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 16:52.58 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 16:53.05 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah, I was aware of the changes, I just forgot that 90% of people playing WoW are incabable of reading. |
| 16:53.18 | alestane | Or unwilling, yes. |
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| 16:54.08 | Nechckn_AFK | "annoying" he says... power understatement, there. =) |
| 16:54.16 | Duman | seriously |
| 16:54.49 | Cruciformer | I lol'ed: http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/accordion-hero-nothing-has-ever-kicked-more-ass/ |
| 16:55.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: 90% eh? being nice are we.. |
| 16:55.27 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Generous, if not exactly "nice" |
| 16:57.10 | Nechckn | Blizzy needs to learn to actually include the latest changes on that thing, that "Test Realm", before going live. It makes the AddOn Community look like boobs, when some ungodly percentage of AddOns break. |
| 16:57.37 | jnwhiteh | Nechckn: they do? |
| 16:57.43 | Pneu^ | ungodly percentage of addons broke? |
| 16:57.45 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure anything 'snuck' in |
| 16:57.50 | nevcairiel | the latest test realm patch is the live patch |
| 16:57.51 | jnwhiteh | nor did a large amount of addons break |
| 16:57.54 | Pneu^ | ive got 2 addons that have errors, and neither are critical |
| 16:57.57 | nevcairiel | unless they managed to break the patch again |
| 16:57.58 | jnwhiteh | so not sure what your complaint is |
| 16:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | During the end of a test cycle they may not push the absolute latest changes to the ptr.. but usually all the interface changes have stabalized by that point >.> |
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| 16:58.30 | Nechckn | um... we did not have errors on the PTR, then it went live and "ta da" there were. |
| 16:59.11 | nevcairiel | so what supposedly changed on live, that ptr didnt have changed? |
| 16:59.27 | Lunessa | So last night, I played with the default UI. Honestly, it's not bad at all but I did miss having an "all in one" bag solution. |
| 16:59.53 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: the LoadAddon one I think |
| 17:00.00 | Nechckn | The LoadAddOn change surely looks like it, unless that was in the final PTR that you reference |
| 17:00.02 | jnwhiteh | but that may have been testing .. not API change |
| 17:00.11 | nevcairiel | thats probably more like a bug |
| 17:00.14 | jnwhiteh | Nechckn: its also being encountered under potentially different circumstances |
| 17:00.20 | nevcairiel | even though i have no idea what changed about LoadAddon |
| 17:00.23 | Legorol | is there a link somewhere to what changed about LoadAddOn? |
| 17:00.23 | jnwhiteh | and its not an intentional change |
| 17:00.33 | Nechckn | I'm not saying it was intentional |
| 17:00.36 | jnwhiteh | if its called prior to PLAYER_LOGIN or some other start event, it returns nil, nil. |
| 17:00.39 | jnwhiteh | with no reason |
| 17:00.43 | jnwhiteh | thus UIParent throws an error |
| 17:01.06 | nevcairiel | they failed at bundling the live patch before |
| 17:01.13 | nevcairiel | somethign that was fine on the PTR suddenly broke on live |
| 17:01.27 | nevcairiel | which seemed like failure to include all patchsets :D |
| 17:01.38 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 17:04.33 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/08/03/political-pictures-geldof-brown-facepalming-someone/ |
| 17:07.13 | mikma | jnwhiteh: so what's the fix then? :I |
| 17:07.18 | mikma | we need it! gief! |
| 17:07.21 | mikma | liek, naw |
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| 17:13.27 | Lunessa | The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas ... |
| 17:13.54 | Lunessa | a gigantic nuclear furnace... |
| 17:14.06 | Mr_Rabies | pota |
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| 17:14.08 | Mr_Rabies | to |
| 17:14.10 | Thunder_Child | TMBG |
| 17:14.49 | Thunder_Child | good song Lunessa |
| 17:15.20 | Mr_Rabies | whats that one tmbg song |
| 17:15.30 | Mr_Rabies | getting older etc |
| 17:15.35 | Lunessa | My office mate is playing Particle Man right now. |
| 17:15.55 | Mr_Rabies | I used to love that song but the title escapes me |
| 17:16.18 | Thunder_Child | birdhouse in your soul is still my fav |
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| 17:16.54 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies, hope that i get older before i die? |
| 17:17.01 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/magic2 << It is, of course, mostly presentation. |
| 17:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | talking about the passage of time etc |
| 17:17.28 | Lunessa | Istanbul, Constantinople ... |
| 17:17.36 | Thunder_Child | there is one thats just called older |
| 17:17.44 | Mr_Rabies | might be it |
| 17:22.36 | Lunessa | Birdhouse in your soul! |
| 17:23.22 | Aqua | well f me running blizzard fixed the stratholme glitch |
| 17:25.24 | dardack | dang WG is bugged or something |
| 17:26.10 | dardack | so they took out the box glitch? |
| 17:26.18 | Aqua | looks like it |
| 17:26.26 | Aqua | i used to get Po'ed and go in there and do it |
| 17:27.49 | Aqua | weyup they fixed it |
| 17:28.43 | dardack | should fix wg, was in ther batteling, than disconnected, got in one more time only like 5 people in the raid now, and now just keeps disconnecting over and over |
| 17:32.34 | robotusch | box glitch? |
| 17:32.54 | Aqua | you could open crates and not kill all the bosses to get to baron |
| 17:33.00 | Aqua | made 5 minute runs 30 seconds |
| 17:33.09 | mikma | hah |
| 17:33.16 | robotusch | oh |
| 17:33.18 | mikma | HAH! good thing i farmed it for my both dk's |
| 17:33.26 | robotusch | I missed the part that said stratholme, I thought it was in wg :P |
| 17:33.46 | Aqua | I've ran it like 600 times on one toon and i've not gotten anything |
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| 17:38.39 | End | UnitInParty and the chat system in the new bg need to get together and meet up |
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| 17:41.01 | amro | any xp users around? I need a rundll32.exe |
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| 17:46.36 | Shirik | well that was a fun discussion |
| 17:46.39 | dardack | um is the new boss in VoA? |
| 17:46.43 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 17:46.44 | dardack | cause the hallway is there but no boss |
| 17:46.59 | Shirik | we just had a 30 minute discussion about how to break C++ so that we can change what a reference points ot |
| 17:47.00 | Shirik | to* |
| 17:53.41 | alestane | You'd need a new syntax. |
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| 17:59.48 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-tablewidth.html |
| 17:59.54 | Adys | am on fire |
| 18:00.03 | Adys | someone can test that in opera/ie? |
| 18:00.23 | nevcairiel | IE8 has red |
| 18:00.30 | Stanzilla | works in opera 10 |
| 18:00.34 | nevcairiel | wait |
| 18:00.37 | nevcairiel | thats IE8 in compat mode |
| 18:00.38 | Adys | got a ss nev? |
| 18:00.39 | Adys | ah |
| 18:00.40 | nevcairiel | so IE7 has red |
| 18:00.44 | nevcairiel | IE8 doesnt |
| 18:00.47 | Adys | cool |
| 18:00.49 | Pneu^ | IE8 is green |
| 18:01.18 | Aeyan | Chrome 3.0.192.2 has red |
| 18:01.27 | Adys | ya i just needed opera and ie |
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| 18:02.12 | nevcairiel | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d8987d73783c3c0f408e6ef646c75bf8.png |
| 18:02.15 | nevcairiel | ie8-compat shot ^ |
| 18:03.34 | Adys | tyvm :) |
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| 18:06.58 | Shirik | nope, I did it! |
| 18:07.01 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 18:07.03 | Shirik | alestane: I win |
| 18:07.18 | alestane | What did you devise? |
| 18:08.10 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/120033 |
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| 18:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome |
| 18:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Aug/0030.html |
| 18:10.08 | alestane | Somewhat hackish looking, not sure what you'd use it for, but looks like it should work. |
| 18:10.10 | Dagmar | ...and yet there's people in my office who swear there's nothing wrong with IT |
| 18:10.12 | Dagmar | er IE |
| 18:10.19 | Dagmar | Someday we'll need them for food. |
| 18:10.33 | nevcairiel | crashes on win7 rtm too |
| 18:10.56 | A-KO | yep |
| 18:10.58 | A-KO | just tested it :P |
| 18:10.59 | A-KO | lol |
| 18:11.03 | ScytheBlade1 | So awesosme |
| 18:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *awesome |
| 18:11.49 | Dagmar | They need to admit their team can't program for crap and just use Webkit |
| 18:13.08 | Shirik | alestane: You should never use it |
| 18:13.10 | Shirik | ever ever |
| 18:13.15 | Shirik | ever |
| 18:13.27 | Shirik | It's just an interesting academic exercise |
| 18:13.28 | alestane | Then what was the point? |
| 18:13.54 | alestane | Ah, "because I can." |
| 18:14.18 | Shirik | youp ^_^ |
| 18:14.25 | Shirik | don't worry, it's not going in any of my code |
| 18:14.42 | End | what, are you doing nasty things with unions again? |
| 18:14.53 | Shirik | someone just asked me "is it possible to change a reference" and I jumped on the "Do you want the answer to what you asked, or do you want the answer to what you wanted to ask" |
| 18:15.27 | Dagmar | I bet they called you an asshole, didn't they |
| 18:15.56 | alestane | Especially because I don't think you can declare a reference volatile, or rather, you can only declare it as a reference to a volatile. |
| 18:16.18 | Shirik | I don't know, never tried. I know you can make a reference TO a volatile |
| 18:16.24 | Dewin | Does anybody know of a good addon for handling the new 3.2 shaman totem stuff? I'm curently using Dominos for it, but I don't want a full action bar mod for one function. |
| 18:16.24 | Shirik | but a volatile reference sounds strange |
| 18:16.39 | Shirik | You CAN make a const reference |
| 18:16.50 | Shirik | and basically everywhere you can use const, you can use volatile |
| 18:17.05 | Shirik | const reference has no meaning, since all references are const |
| 18:17.07 | Shirik | but it's legal |
| 18:17.17 | Shirik | (that is, int & const) |
| 18:18.45 | Shirik | It's depressing though that for an int& foo, &foo is not an l-value |
| 18:18.49 | Shirik | it's not even a const l-value |
| 18:18.52 | Shirik | it's just a value |
| 18:18.56 | Shirik | r-value, that is |
| 18:19.05 | KarlKFI | Kaelten: "FluidFrames shows up as RuneMover if you are using the Curse Client. But it also shows up as FluidFrames under unidentified addons." |
| 18:19.08 | Shirik | so you can't even const_cast it out |
| 18:19.15 | KarlKFI | Seems to onyl happen ont he windows client |
| 18:22.10 | Kaelten | karl: 3 or 4? |
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| 18:22.30 | KarlKFI | no idea. see http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7080#comments |
| 18:22.39 | KarlKFI | I can't reproduce on my Mac |
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| 18:23.58 | KarlKFI | also:http://www.curse.com/forums/t/103738.aspx |
| 18:25.35 | KarlKFI | i believe it's because both addons supply Portfolio |
| 18:26.28 | KarlKFI | i guess the easy fix is for me to remove Portfolio from shippign with addons and make them download it separately |
| 18:26.59 | netcurse | @KarlKFI, will look at it |
| 18:27.29 | KarlKFI | i'm not sure if it affects any other addons that ship with dependant libraries un-embedded |
| 18:27.46 | KarlKFI | but it might |
| 18:27.54 | netcurse | Ckknight would know |
| 18:28.22 | mikma | adys: you know.. you can't get the class and the level of unit with name |
| 18:28.34 | ckknight | Auctioneer does it with Swatter and such |
| 18:28.41 | ckknight | and Gatherer ships Swatter, too |
| 18:28.46 | ckknight | which is ... fun |
| 18:29.01 | ckknight | really, the trick is to have all the files properly fingerprinted in our DB |
| 18:29.18 | ckknight | so if FluidFrames were on Curse, we'd detect it fine |
| 18:29.24 | KarlKFI | heh |
| 18:31.20 | KarlKFI | well technically it is, it just hasn't been updated there since 2007 |
| 18:31.28 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 18:32.04 | ckknight | yea |
| 18:32.05 | KarlKFI | does the Curse client handle dependencies of addons not hosted on curse? |
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| 18:32.40 | ckknight | if it can't install it, no |
| 18:32.43 | KarlKFI | I assume you'd have to manually enter the page for the dependency download too |
| 18:33.41 | krka | ckknight: i think cartographer 3 needs a fix with getdifficultycolor |
| 18:33.49 | ckknight | I already fixed that, krka |
| 18:35.35 | Dagmar | Quite a lot of things needed that hacked up yesterday |
| 18:36.49 | Dagmar | I'm still bit baffled as to WTF Feed-o-matic even needed that info for |
| 18:37.23 | Dagmar | I'd have not even noticed but for that I just ran a regexp against my entire addons collection |
| 18:39.09 | Dagmar | Awesome ArkInventory has an update |
| 18:39.49 | End | I commented out a few lines to temporarily fix it |
| 18:39.55 | End | but it's good there's a real update |
| 18:40.04 | KarlKFI | WTB Aloft fix |
| 18:40.23 | End | oh, it was even 10 hours ago |
| 18:40.42 | Shirik | . |
| 18:40.50 | Shirik | gah, freenode's webchat has this strange bug in it |
| 18:40.51 | Shirik | so annoying |
| 18:41.04 | End | dot to you too sir |
| 18:41.06 | End | . |
| 18:41.12 | Shirik | You have to type something to get it working again |
| 18:41.25 | Shirik | otherwise the scrollbar thinks that the window is small enough that it doesn't need to scroll |
| 18:41.38 | Shirik | when you type it goes "oh shit it's all the way down there?!" |
| 18:41.41 | Shirik | and fixes itself |
| 18:42.15 | KarlKFI | oh Shirk, random MMOUI bug: i have an addon named GearCheck that is not public and use a public addon GearScore... but if i set GearCheck as ignored then it wont let me update GearScore cause it says "waiting for GearCheck" |
| 18:43.02 | KarlKFI | and then if i un-ignore GearCheck and click to 'update' GearScore it errors |
| 18:44.04 | Adys | mikma: you can with guid |
| 18:44.33 | Shirik | KarlKFI: errors? |
| 18:44.35 | Adys | afk |
| 18:44.43 | Lunessa | ... HUAC comes to WoW -- " I am not now, nor have I ever been a Blizzard Employee. " |
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| 18:44.50 | KarlKFI | the update fails... looking for log, sec |
| 18:45.03 | Shirik | ~minion-logs |
| 18:45.04 | purl | i heard minion-logs is %APPDATA%\MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 18:45.47 | mikma | adys: hmm, you sure about that? |
| 18:46.05 | KarlKFI | java.lang.SecurityException: Write access to '/private/var/folders/yc/ycYJYqzT2Raoxk+8ZNNFWU+++TM/-Tmp-/extractor |
| 18:46.07 | KarlKFI | 8943534520489298115/GearScore' is denied in this context |
| 18:47.07 | mikma | adys: jnwhiteh said that you can only get the info from friendly units :I |
| 18:47.18 | Adys | jnwhiteh is a meanie |
| 18:47.26 | Dagmar | End: I commented out the problematic guild section, but it had no impact on the "arkinventory misses the inventory-has-changed signal" problem |
| 18:47.51 | Dagmar | I'm still not quite agile enough with the debugging to spot where the disconnect was on that. Managed to fix a few other minor things this time tho |
| 18:48.03 | Dagmar | Now I'm trying to fathom what the f**k NotesUNeed likes the quest log so much for |
| 18:48.28 | End | I didn't see that error |
| 18:48.44 | End | however, I'm getting another error with an unknown addon sending "PARTY" addon messages in the new bg |
| 18:48.50 | End | well, it's not as much an error |
| 18:48.55 | End | as it is You are not in a party spam |
| 18:48.56 | Dagmar | Somethin in a lib somewhere |
| 18:49.04 | Dagmar | Yeah I get that from GoGoMount even |
| 18:49.09 | Nechckn | Dagmar NuN surely was digging it up, but didn't see from where while I was looking. |
| 18:49.13 | Dagmar | ....even while I'm *in* a party |
| 18:49.33 | Dagmar | Nechckn: digging in up? You mean their maintainer? |
| 18:49.37 | Dagmar | s/in/it/; |
| 18:50.08 | Nechckn | I noticed the error and was looking around for the call, but didn't have the time to get further into it. |
| 18:50.19 | Dagmar | Ah yeah |
| 18:50.31 | krka | ckknight: really? i downloaded from curse today |
| 18:50.44 | Dagmar | I think something's causing it to instantate that frame by side effect but it's definitely not obvious |
| 18:51.11 | ckknight | @project cartographer3 |
| 18:51.12 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer3/. Cartographer 3.0. Game: WoW. ckknight (Manager/Author). Updated: 111 minutes ago. Tickets: 156/267 |
| 18:51.55 | krka | hm? |
| 18:52.26 | Nechckn | Dagmar the opening every 5 seconds or so is fun, though =) |
| 18:52.31 | Dagmar | Amazing. I still see no one posting to the forums complaining about having to re-equip their weapon |
| 18:52.43 | Dagmar | Nechckn: You and I have different ideas about fun. Heh |
| 18:53.03 | Dagmar | #1 cause of wipes in ToC 5-man: Tank is swinging a lance. |
| 18:53.41 | Dagmar | I'm going to have to actually sit down and write a foolproof misdirect macro for that |
| 18:53.43 | Lunessa | Mmmm... 5 DPS lance. |
| 18:53.53 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah it's win. Hehe |
| 18:54.17 | Dagmar | I ran the thing with three different pugs yesterday. We *always* lost people immediately after the dismount because of that. Heh |
| 18:54.39 | Lunessa | I dismounted from something and forgot to swap weapons and tried to melee something... let me tell you, as a shaman... that really didn't work. |
| 18:54.58 | Dagmar | Hah. Try being a hunter. My staves skill just hit 250. |
| 18:55.03 | KarlKFI | that 5man was ezmode, heh |
| 18:55.17 | Dagmar | I LOVE that place on Heroic mode |
| 18:55.22 | KarlKFI | and the gear is lol |
| 18:55.26 | Dagmar | I can see we'll be spending a lot of time beating that pinata |
| 18:55.41 | KarlKFI | we jsut did it for the badges |
| 18:55.43 | Dagmar | I actually got some 219 gloves |
| 18:55.54 | KarlKFI | yeah, 219 is lol :P |
| 18:56.09 | Dagmar | For fifteen minutes work it's freaking win |
| 18:56.09 | Lunessa | I didn't do Tourney stuff last night. I was busy fiddling with making new gems, and doing orphan quests. |
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| 18:56.41 | KarlKFI | we did the 25man a few times. wiped on the yeti a bunch |
| 18:56.47 | Dagmar | Here I've been thinking about dualspeccing to survivalist until someone in class balance takes their head out of their ass, and some gloves with like THIRTY more agility drop |
| 18:56.52 | KarlKFI | then went and got free ulduar loots |
| 18:57.14 | Dagmar | That's a hell of a jump in points at that level |
| 18:57.16 | KarlKFI | Deconstructor was lol tho |
| 18:57.20 | Lunessa | wants free Ulduar loots. |
| 18:57.27 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Jillions of little bots? |
| 18:57.30 | KarlKFI | we got pummeled with a million bots |
| 18:57.33 | Dagmar | I hear it's bugged up |
| 18:57.36 | KarlKFI | got the achievement lol |
| 18:57.47 | Dagmar | Incredible that no one died |
| 18:57.51 | KarlKFI | blow up 20 scrap with a bomb |
| 18:57.59 | Dagmar | Oh wait wrong achy |
| 18:58.01 | Dagmar | By the way |
| 18:58.08 | Dagmar | WHAT SADIST came up with "Earth, Wind, and Fire" |
| 18:58.14 | KarlKFI | heh |
| 18:58.18 | KarlKFI | sounds easy |
| 18:58.22 | Dagmar | What? |
| 18:58.27 | KarlKFI | then again the 3rd guy hasn't spawned yet |
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| 18:58.51 | makkura | WoW addon question: Is there any way to save data to a file to be pulled out later (ie: after wow is logged out)? I know blizzard has tried to keep file I/O pretty low to prevent certain kinds of addons. |
| 18:58.52 | Dagmar | Well, it sounds like something they threw in to taunt Ensidia with unless you can somehow use the third boss to kill the other two |
| 18:59.17 | Dagmar | makkura: Yeah basically you can save whatever into savedvariables, but not in realtime (of course) |
| 18:59.33 | KarlKFI | with enough dps you could prolly split it into 3 different groups |
| 18:59.35 | Dagmar | It's all quite readable and parseable lua |
| 18:59.59 | KarlKFI | earth guy is not hard at all. you could 5 man it |
| 19:00.11 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: The thought of going after any one of those guys with only eight or so peeople makes my hands shake |
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| 19:00.18 | makkura | Ahh awesome. Was looking to grab character data, recipe lists, etc. Things not in armory or simply because armory sometimes doesn't update for weeks. |
| 19:00.38 | makkura | Then pull it out, parse, upload to guild site (etc) |
| 19:00.38 | KarlKFI | wind guy you need enough dps to kill an enraged wind emelental before it asplodes |
| 19:00.50 | A-KO | shouldn't tinsert(MyTable.subtable "test"); ? |
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| 19:01.06 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Yeah that's the bit I can't figure out an easy fix to |
| 19:01.34 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: I'll definitely concede that anyone who pulls that one off without something that feels exploity is a badass tho |
| 19:01.34 | cogumel0 | do you guys know of any action bar addon that allows more than 120 buttons other than macaroon ? |
| 19:01.42 | KarlKFI | if you tanked them all in the middle around the circle you could have all dps switch to the wind guys whent hey enrage |
| 19:01.55 | Dagmar | cogumel0: Macaroon's the only one that I've seen that uses it's own buttons |
| 19:02.08 | Dagmar | Everyhting else seems to stick with interfacing to the buttons BLizz puts n |
| 19:02.19 | makkura | A-KO: was that in reference to my question? |
| 19:02.31 | cogumel0 | yeah, thought so... I was doing some searching myself but could only find macaroon. |
| 19:02.42 | cogumel0 | I quite like it, but it's a bit heavy :S |
| 19:02.55 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: If Kegalon or whatever has a mechanism like those wind elementals it'll be VERY dodgy |
| 19:03.46 | KarlKFI | dunno. i think the tank getting picked up is more deadly chance |
| 19:03.47 | cogumel0 | right, what's a very lightweight action bar addon then ? |
| 19:03.54 | KarlKFI | unless you have 4 tanks |
| 19:03.58 | Dagmar | Bartender4 I suppose |
| 19:04.14 | durcyn | cogumel0: dominos |
| 19:04.15 | cogumel0 | is it lighter than dominos ? |
| 19:04.33 | Dagmar | I dont' think the difference will matter much |
| 19:05.28 | Slafshnng | why not focus on functionality rather some insignificant weight scale? :) |
| 19:05.31 | Dagmar | It seems like the sheer number of buttons on the screen affects it more than anything else |
| 19:05.45 | Dagmar | ...and if you need all 120 on the screen at once, you're doijng something worng |
| 19:05.58 | makkura | I use dominos myself.. but mine glitches up some things if I toggle my spec around. Cleans up on logout/login though. |
| 19:05.59 | cogumel0 | no, no I don't need 120 buttons on screen at one given time |
| 19:06.09 | cogumel0 | but I'm a druid |
| 19:06.21 | Dagmar | Well, we'll speak slowly then |
| 19:06.38 | cogumel0 | so that means I need 1 bar for caster, 1 for tree, one for cat, one for bear ... |
| 19:06.39 | makkura | ahh each form gets a bar to itself .. but counts against your bar total (as i recall) |
| 19:06.54 | cogumel0 | and then a couple more for stuff that applies to all forms :P |
| 19:07.03 | cogumel0 | yeah, exactly |
| 19:07.05 | Dagmar | Bartender seemed to work out okay for that for me on the PTR |
| 19:07.10 | Slafshnng | nurfed actionbars then |
| 19:07.19 | makkura | so you really have 3 dedicated bars (4 if 'normal' form counts) |
| 19:07.20 | cogumel0 | just by having 1 bar of 12 buttons and having 2 stances... you are effectively using 24 buttons |
| 19:07.37 | Dagmar | It just screws with my assignments since I usually leave bar 1 totally empty and make it extra large so I have big-ass vehicle buttons |
| 19:07.38 | makkura | so really only 6 bars to customize for everything else |
| 19:07.39 | Slafshnng | they aren't limited by how the default bars work |
| 19:07.46 | cogumel0 | well on my normal macaroon bars I have 2 bars per form actually :P |
| 19:07.57 | cogumel0 | so that's 8 total just there, leaves me with 4 to play around with |
| 19:08.14 | cogumel0 | then u need your vehicle bar... that's 1 more |
| 19:08.25 | makkura | cogumel0: can completely understand using more than 1 bar per form :P |
| 19:08.35 | Dagmar | The vehicle bar appears to just replace all the buttons on bar 1 |
| 19:08.39 | makkura | mm.. the vehicle bar doesn't overwrite one of your default 10 though |
| 19:08.56 | cogumel0 | ohh yeah! it's 10 bars, so I'm left with 2 :) |
| 19:08.57 | Dagmar | This is why with Bartender I just dont' use it |
| 19:09.10 | Slafshnng | as I said, nurfed actionbars have none of those bar count limitations |
| 19:09.13 | cogumel0 | and here's the thing: I don't even know if you can map say... travel form to caster form |
| 19:09.13 | Dagmar | I need to go back and see if Maul got over his apathy towards vehicle bar craziness |
| 19:09.38 | makkura | cogumel0: what do you mean .. mapping travel to caster form? |
| 19:09.45 | cogumel0 | Slafshnng: so, in nerfer action bars you can have as many buttons as u can ? |
| 19:09.51 | Slafshnng | yes |
| 19:10.11 | cogumel0 | makkura: yeah, to use the caster buttons when in travel/aquatic/flying forms |
| 19:10.19 | cogumel0 | 'cause if not... that's another 3 bars there |
| 19:10.37 | makkura | cogumel0: OH.. didn't realize the travel based forms had their own bars too |
| 19:10.44 | cogumel0 | yeah, I think they do... |
| 19:10.51 | cogumel0 | it's a different stance so :P |
| 19:10.54 | jnwhiteh | they don't. |
| 19:10.58 | cogumel0 | they don't ? |
| 19:11.01 | jnwhiteh | travel forms, no. |
| 19:11.11 | cogumel0 | but it's considered a stance still |
| 19:11.16 | makkura | I didn't think so but never got my druid really high enough to care :p |
| 19:11.16 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 19:11.19 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't have its own bar. |
| 19:11.21 | jnwhiteh | I promise you |
| 19:11.25 | jnwhiteh | i just shifted. |
| 19:11.44 | makkura | I think they don't because they don't have any abilities |
| 19:11.50 | cogumel0 | ok, maybe I've just been too used to macaroon. in macaroon you get a fresh set of buttons |
| 19:12.05 | nevcairiel | there is no point in special bars for flight/travel/aquatic |
| 19:12.06 | jnwhiteh | travel form is the same as caster form |
| 19:12.08 | nevcairiel | they cant do shit |
| 19:12.32 | Dagmar | Some people might like to get those buttons that can't be used *off* the screen tho |
| 19:12.35 | Dagmar | I know I do |
| 19:12.38 | cogumel0 | yeah, true, but it's just that macaroon gives u new different buttons for caster/travel/aquatic AND flying :P |
| 19:12.53 | nevcairiel | which is totally useless :P |
| 19:12.59 | cogumel0 | not rly... |
| 19:13.07 | nevcairiel | bartender allows you to *hide* stuff in travel/flying |
| 19:13.09 | Dagmar | 'I want Macaroon to work properly (or at least sanely) with vehicle bars again because I had my pet bar tricked out on a per-pet basis |
| 19:13.12 | nevcairiel | but not switch to other buttons |
| 19:13.14 | cogumel0 | yeah, macaroon as well :P |
| 19:13.29 | cogumel0 | Dagmar: I think it's been fixed already |
| 19:13.33 | cogumel0 | you have a new option |
| 19:13.46 | Dagmar | cogumel0: I'll look into it later tonight then. |
| 19:13.57 | Dagmar | Last I saw he just kinda threw up his hands over it around 3.0.8 |
| 19:14.10 | cogumel0 | he's fixed it quite a few times since then |
| 19:14.13 | nevcairiel | didnt he stop deving on it? |
| 19:14.14 | Dagmar | ...of course part of that was all the bloody Northrend quests that seem to find a new way to do it every time |
| 19:14.19 | cogumel0 | nevcairiel: he came back |
| 19:14.40 | cogumel0 | Dagmar: he found 1 way of doing for vehicle and control bars, same option |
| 19:14.48 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 19:14.53 | cogumel0 | 1 option for them all :) |
| 19:15.09 | Dagmar | Yeah it owrked like that at first, and then it broke and then he went to letting it change bar 1, and that's when I stopped using it |
| 19:15.31 | Dagmar | I r not heeler--I use f-keys for vehikles |
| 19:15.42 | End | so, the You aren't in a party spam...it's not caused by SendAddonMessage |
| 19:16.11 | Dagmar | I find it funny that appears even when I'm in a party |
| 19:16.17 | End | does it? |
| 19:16.23 | End | strange |
| 19:16.31 | End | so anyway |
| 19:16.36 | End | any ideas what else could cause it? |
| 19:17.10 | Dagmar | No. I'm assuming something is emitting that as an error message from some call, but I couldn't find the source of that message itself so I got stick |
| 19:17.13 | Dagmar | er stuck |
| 19:17.26 | makkura | I got that message from a couple of my addons yesterday before i started disabling them, not sure which ones so i can't even reference those for you :( |
| 19:18.06 | A-KO | no makkura |
| 19:18.39 | cogumel0 | Slafshnng: I can't find nurfed action bars :o |
| 19:19.33 | makkura | A-KO: kk, was checking as I felt i was missing key info if you were. No worries then. |
| 19:19.48 | mikma | shirik: http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/64467/Liukumaki |
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| 19:23.04 | Dagmar | cogume10: Seriously. Hit google. |
| 19:23.49 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-empty.html |
| 19:23.50 | Adys | and another one down |
| 19:23.54 | Adys | dum tah. |
| 19:25.18 | nicoli_s | i see nothing but red! |
| 19:25.28 | Adys | ie? |
| 19:25.31 | nevcairiel | IE7 has only one green bar, IE8 has alternating green-red abrs |
| 19:25.37 | nicoli_s | no im just kidding :P |
| 19:25.42 | Adys | i dunno. |
| 19:25.56 | Adys | opera should pass without problems |
| 19:26.03 | nicoli_s | i see red on ie8 too |
| 19:26.16 | nevcairiel | oh wait, ie7 redecided |
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| 19:26.22 | nevcairiel | and does the alternating now too |
| 19:26.33 | Adys | nice. |
| 19:26.42 | Adys | I like browsers that change their mind |
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| 19:26.55 | nevcairiel | mustve been something weird on initial load |
| 19:26.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: wait, wahts that supposed to do on webkit browsers? :P |
| 19:27.04 | Adys | red bar on third |
| 19:27.14 | nevcairiel | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7e39212b3d48aba440453bd58c0b37c3.png |
| 19:27.14 | Adys | failure on display: none on non-empty element if given to an empty selector |
| 19:27.20 | nevcairiel | IE8 and IE8-compat look the same |
| 19:27.27 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, okay. cause the text on the page says there should be no red :P |
| 19:27.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i got.. confused |
| 19:27.43 | nevcairiel | there shouldnt be, but webkit fails :D |
| 19:27.49 | nevcairiel | firefox is all green |
| 19:28.00 | Adys | its the simplest of them all |
| 19:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, alrighty. |
| 19:28.02 | Adys | and shittiest too :( |
| 19:28.10 | Adys | i hit that bug on sigrie a while back |
| 19:28.28 | Adys | lost a good hour on it |
| 19:28.41 | NightHawkTheSane | wonder if the webkit nightlys have the same issue |
| 19:28.47 | Adys | they do |
| 19:28.54 | NightHawkTheSane | cool |
| 19:29.04 | Adys | Ive been trying to push the team for this one |
| 19:29.11 | cogumel0 | Dagmar: I did. you try and find the correct link for an up-to-date version of it then... |
| 19:29.46 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCPAXgrm2U |
| 19:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, i didn't even know about the :empty selector |
| 19:30.54 | Adys | its a css3 selector |
| 19:33.06 | Dagmar | cogumel0: Try with less fail. I typed in "nurfed action bars" and it's right there on the screen |
| 19:33.35 | Dagmar | The entire kit is called "nurfed ui" apparently. |
| 19:34.53 | Dagmar | If you search for that, the first hit is the site to poke around in |
| 19:35.25 | cogumel0 | yes let's see... google... nurfed action bars... results: Issue with Nurfed Action bars 3.0; Nurfed UI (from 2005); Nurfed Action Bars Released (2007); Nurfed Actionbar problem etc ... |
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| 19:35.47 | durcyn | i'm not sure i'd recommend any nurfed addons to anyone in this particular day and age |
| 19:35.48 | cogumel0 | I find no place to download the recent one. |
| 19:36.00 | cogumel0 | why's that durcyn ? |
| 19:36.18 | cogumel0 | do you know of any addons other than nurfed action bars and macaroon that support more than 120 buttons ? |
| 19:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | has nerfed been updated in this half of the decade? :P |
| 19:36.23 | durcyn | have they actually had any work done on them in the past four effing years? |
| 19:36.54 | cogumel0 | well no wonder I can't find any recent download sites then. sorry to have proved u wrong Dagmar :P |
| 19:38.39 | cogumel0 | durcyn: do you know of any current addons other than macaroon that support more than 120 buttons ? |
| 19:39.17 | durcyn | the only action bar addons i consider worth my time are dominos and bartender, and they both use the default buttons. in short, no. |
| 19:39.31 | jnwhiteh | using somethign that doesn't use the defaul tbuttons |
| 19:39.33 | jnwhiteh | means without that addon |
| 19:39.34 | jnwhiteh | you are fucked. |
| 19:39.40 | jnwhiteh | this is why i choose not to use them, and recommend against it =) |
| 19:39.42 | nevcairiel | thats why i never did it |
| 19:39.49 | jnwhiteh | at least with this, I can show all 6 bars and still have access to my effing spells. |
| 19:40.07 | nevcairiel | except that silly default UI does paging on tree form now |
| 19:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i still have hard time figuring how anyone needs more than 120 buttons |
| 19:40.13 | nevcairiel | i couldnt heal with default ui :D |
| 19:40.14 | NightHawkTheSane | druids, maybe.. |
| 19:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | but just maybe |
| 19:40.21 | nevcairiel | i don't |
| 19:40.24 | nevcairiel | i even have a free bar |
| 19:40.28 | Aqua | shamans use to |
| 19:40.31 | nevcairiel | (druid) |
| 19:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | naw |
| 19:40.42 | NightHawkTheSane | on my shaman i use under 6 bars |
| 19:41.02 | nevcairiel | actually i saved one bar by macroing some spells |
| 19:41.15 | nevcairiel | because it seemed like a waste to use one extra bar for 2 spells that are different :P |
| 19:41.16 | cogumel0 | NightHawkTheSane: that's only if you don't map all totems to action bars :P |
| 19:41.27 | cogumel0 | well maybe now with 3.2... |
| 19:41.36 | cogumel0 | but b4 it was chaos |
| 19:41.40 | NightHawkTheSane | cogumel0: I have in the past, i still never needed 120 buttons |
| 19:41.46 | nevcairiel | there have been other special totem addons |
| 19:41.55 | nevcairiel | that created extra buttons |
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| 19:42.32 | Aqua | only thing i ever did was create an addon to move the 2nd action bar (the one you arrow down on the main bar) up above so it was useable |
| 19:42.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't actually logged in since 3.2 hit, so technically i still have almost all my totems on standard action bars |
| 19:42.59 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/magic2 << Guess how that works. |
| 19:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: at a guess.. magic? |
| 19:43.25 | nevcairiel | i have to watch a movie now? <.< |
| 19:43.46 | foxlit | You could just parse the JPEG. :) |
| 19:43.50 | Slafshnng | not sure why you guys are so hostile towards nurfed, it was last updated in may and is in the process of getting completely rewritten |
| 19:43.54 | Slafshnng | :) |
| 19:43.57 | Aqua | wtb sons of hodir tabard |
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| 19:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Slafshnng: i'm not hostile, i just didn't think they'd been updated in the last 3-4 years |
| 19:44.25 | Slafshnng | :) |
| 19:44.37 | Slafshnng | it works fine for me and has for the last year or so |
| 19:44.42 | foxlit | [and then assume that it actually works -- the video is actually relatively boring] |
| 19:45.09 | nevcairiel | hm wasnt CSBN completly blocked for us? |
| 19:45.46 | nevcairiel | foxlit the evil exploiter |
| 19:45.47 | durcyn | Slafshnng: i'm hostile because what exists now is in desparate need of said rewrite |
| 19:45.50 | foxlit | It cannot be called from insecure code. |
| 19:46.02 | Slafshnng | :) |
| 19:46.14 | nevcairiel | and addon or macro code is always insecure |
| 19:46.15 | durcyn | wait, they broke CSBN in insecure code for tradeskill spells as well now? |
| 19:46.23 | Slafshnng | it has its charm, but works flawlessly once you iron out the flaws currently in :) |
| 19:46.29 | nevcairiel | how are we supposed to figure out how you sneaked yourself into secure code? :P |
| 19:46.33 | durcyn | i was abusing that :( |
| 19:46.44 | foxlit | durcyn: I don't think so. I was referring more to the combat abilities. |
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| 19:47.22 | foxlit | nevcairiel: to be fair, not everything is as it seems. As cool as it looks, it isn't actually the real CSBN that's getting called there. |
| 19:47.23 | nevcairiel | anyway, do tell :p |
| 19:47.29 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:47.34 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly |
| 19:48.07 | nevcairiel | but anyway, if that really works in combat, you have an addon deciding what to cast, so what does it do? :D |
| 19:50.19 | foxlit | The actual "zomghole" code is annoyingly simple -- AllowAttributeChanges, then set attributes on the widget to get data into the restricted environment. |
| 19:50.58 | nevcairiel | you can call AllowAttributeChanges yourself? |
| 19:51.01 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 19:51.07 | Dagmar | Oh, that go-hero thing "works" because it's a private server |
| 19:51.15 | jnwhiteh | you should not be able to call it yourself. |
| 19:51.25 | foxlit | nevcairiel: the trick is that you can only call *that* from secure code. |
| 19:51.31 | Cide | Dagmar: wrong :) |
| 19:51.36 | Dagmar | Bummer |
| 19:52.09 | foxlit | So you'd have to get something secure to call it for you |
| 19:52.23 | foxlit | SecureActionButtonTemplate obliged. |
| 19:52.26 | nevcairiel | The only place i know its being called is during creation of a new frame |
| 19:52.34 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: since when does SAB call that? |
| 19:52.41 | foxlit | 3.0 or so, I think. |
| 19:52.42 | jnwhiteh | isn't it only the group header template? |
| 19:52.50 | foxlit | wowcompares being down, I can't check how far back things go |
| 19:53.04 | jnwhiteh | either way, incoming Frame:DisallowAttributeChanges() |
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| 19:53.23 | nooga | gaaah |
| 19:53.33 | nooga | carbonite does not work after patch ;< |
| 19:54.27 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: can you confirm what I said |
| 19:54.37 | jnwhiteh | only the group header appears to call AllowAttributeChanges |
| 19:54.43 | jnwhiteh | so how did SAB help you here? |
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| 19:59.21 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/120036/8:13 |
| 19:59.35 | foxlit | Attributes are always untainted. |
| 20:00.28 | jnwhiteh | alright.. |
| 20:00.41 | nevcairiel | you set the handler to that one function that calls :AllowAttributeChanges? |
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| 20:01.10 | Cide | hay guys, let's all exploit |
| 20:01.46 | nevcairiel | or does it even work with a tainted function you wrote yoruself? |
| 20:01.48 | Dagmar | Then Blizz will stomp it and there'll be fewer facerollers |
| 20:02.00 | nevcairiel | oh wait |
| 20:02.04 | nevcairiel | i know, hah |
| 20:02.05 | foxlit | nevcairiel: neither, really. |
| 20:02.20 | nevcairiel | you just set the handler directly to frame.AllowAttributeChanges |
| 20:02.27 | Cide | Dagmar: I'm sure blizzard's actions aren't affected by how many people are using it rather than the magnitude |
| 20:02.52 | Cide | granted, one may imply the other |
| 20:03.02 | Cide | but it's hardly the right thing to do |
| 20:03.23 | Dagmar | Make a few posts to the UI forums explaining how it works and I'll bet they'll bring the hammer down on it |
| 20:03.37 | nevcairiel | looks like a slight oversight that they forgot to wrap it in a func that taints the execution first |
| 20:03.45 | foxlit | nevcairiel: can't do that. |
| 20:03.56 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 20:03.59 | foxlit | Because the reason it's their is because *they* need the secure execution path. |
| 20:04.12 | jnwhiteh | the _issue_ |
| 20:04.14 | nevcairiel | for the generic handler? |
| 20:04.15 | foxlit | The easiest solution is to probably have a white-list of handler functions. |
| 20:04.19 | jnwhiteh | is allowattribetuchanges not expiring. |
| 20:04.23 | nevcairiel | oh right, they do |
| 20:04.32 | jnwhiteh | disable attribute changes after the config function has run |
| 20:04.39 | jnwhiteh | and its closed as far as i can see? |
| 20:04.45 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: The config function really has nothing to do with anything. |
| 20:05.09 | jnwhiteh | no, the allow attribtue changes is tho |
| 20:05.14 | jnwhiteh | and if its disabled before control returns to your function |
| 20:05.21 | nevcairiel | I see what you mean, the way they designed it, they cant just taint it |
| 20:05.27 | nevcairiel | they would have to make the code more complex |
| 20:05.49 | Dagmar | They can just tell Warden to keep an eye on it |
| 20:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | No, no not really |
| 20:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Warden doesn't even look at that |
| 20:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | They'd have to redesign what it does pretty extensively |
| 20:06.15 | nevcairiel | its just a Lua bug |
| 20:06.24 | foxlit | It's a FrameXML bug, really. |
| 20:06.29 | nevcairiel | what i meant |
| 20:06.30 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 20:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, banning people (which is what warden DOES) for using UI provided methods is NEVER their policy |
| 20:06.56 | nevcairiel | Anyway, bring it up with them, and they'll fix it pretty soon |
| 20:06.57 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 20:07.41 | nevcairiel | any handler that doesnt come out of SECURE_ACTIONS is provided by an addon? |
| 20:07.52 | nevcairiel | or does the secure code use the _..actionType.. thing too? |
| 20:08.04 | nevcairiel | goes to check |
| 20:11.24 | foxlit | Hm, actually |
| 20:11.38 | foxlit | I don't think they use the function-in-an-attribute approach at all |
| 20:11.39 | jnwhiteh | I'm missing something, I think |
| 20:11.49 | jnwhiteh | if :DisableAttributeChanges() doesn't fix this |
| 20:12.21 | jnwhiteh | nvm |
| 20:12.23 | jnwhiteh | I understand now. |
| 20:12.24 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: if you set .AllowAttributeChanges in the attribute, the code will directly call it from an secure environment .. its not absuing a "left-over" enabeld state |
| 20:12.29 | jnwhiteh | yeah i see it. |
| 20:13.11 | foxlit | So what they should do is get rid of that handler = assignment and work through the options step-by-step: it's only SECURE_ACTIONS or the frame fields that can reasonably be functions |
| 20:13.49 | jnwhiteh | the .menu syntax was added at the last minute |
| 20:13.54 | jnwhiteh | I always knew it would cause an issue :P |
| 20:14.42 | foxlit | Table fields maintain taint, though. |
| 20:14.52 | _rane | hey, what's the addon that shows WoW errors like this? http://www.wegame.com/view/World_of_Warcraft_Screenshot_by_raneksi_20090805_13_13_40/ |
| 20:14.52 | foxlit | So you can't do frame.menu = ProtectedAPI |
| 20:15.10 | _rane | I don't think WoW shows Lua errors like that by default |
| 20:15.16 | KarlKFI | Swatter |
| 20:15.26 | _rane | ah |
| 20:15.44 | _rane | ah, /swatter noauto saves the day |
| 20:18.26 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: *nod* makes sense |
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| 20:20.10 | foxlit | I wonder if there's a bug report form somewhere. |
| 20:20.49 | Lunessa | Shaving Cream! Be nice and clean! Shave every day and you'll always look keen! |
| 20:21.19 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: for this? |
| 20:21.53 | foxlit | Yeah. I'm somewhat reluctant to use the forums; nor am I convinced EU ones would work as well. |
| 20:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: bug Cairenn, she can get the info to the proper channel |
| 20:22.35 | Cairenn | nod |
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| 20:35.39 | Coren{de} | I know I saw a link somewhere to a diff of 3.1 vs. latest PTR... anyone have a link to a diff of 3.1.3 vs. 3.2.0? |
| 20:36.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Same as 3.1 vs. live |
| 20:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | There were no changes from the last PTR build to live |
| 20:36.19 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 20:37.00 | Coren{de} | thanks jnwhiteh :) |
| 20:37.03 | jnwhiteh | yw |
| 20:40.33 | Duman | jsut checking - the /castrandom change to "stick" to the last spell/ability if it previously failed is an intended change, yeah? |
| 20:40.39 | foxlit | Yeah. |
| 20:40.41 | alestane | Yes. |
| 20:40.46 | Duman | aite, figured :) |
| 20:40.54 | foxlit | It's certainly a lot of code to write without intending. |
| 20:41.58 | Duman | hehe |
| 20:42.18 | Duman | I didn't look at the diff, figured it would be faster to ask ;) |
| 20:42.28 | Arrowmaster | it was in the very first diff |
| 20:42.37 | Arrowmaster | i laugh at everybody calling it a 'stealth nerf' |
| 20:42.44 | Lunessa | Ooops, we certainly didn't mean to add these dozens of lines of code to this function! I mean, however did this get in here? :P |
| 20:42.58 | Duman | hehe |
| 20:43.08 | Lunessa | Nothing stealth about it. |
| 20:43.25 | Coren{de} | the opposite of cat-ate-my-homework, cat-walked-over-keyboard-in-this-function? =) |
| 20:43.33 | Arrowmaster | more like those of us capible of understanding the code change dont like everybody else enough to warn them |
| 20:43.39 | Lunessa | But the UI & Macros forum has forced me to fire up Dr. Demento CDs. |
| 20:44.08 | Dagmar | I'm not sure how that could be viewed as a bad thing |
| 20:44.26 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It's restored a measure of sanity and perspective. |
| 20:44.47 | ZorbaTHut | I assume that change was to keep people from writing macros that came down to "do whatever isn't on cooldown"? |
| 20:44.52 | Dagmar | Actually I was talking about the sticking behaviour |
| 20:44.55 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:45.04 | Industrial | wtb sakura tree to go with pink kitty |
| 20:45.11 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 20:45.21 | Lunessa | In Heaven, there is no beer. That's why we drink it here. And when gone from here, our friends will be drinking all the beer! |
| 20:45.34 | Arrowmaster | like warriors with that execute proc talent doing /castrandom mortal strike, execute |
| 20:45.42 | Arrowmaster | just fucking spam away |
| 20:46.05 | Lunessa | We talked about this a lot months ago. |
| 20:46.19 | Duman | ZOMG YOU MADE IT SO I HAVE TO THINK |
| 20:46.55 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-code.html |
| 20:46.57 | Adys | I need more |
| 20:46.57 | Adys | MORE |
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| 20:48.06 | foxlit | That issue needs a different fix. |
| 20:48.20 | foxlit | Attempting to cast a spell on a cooldown should lock you in that cooldown. |
| 20:48.20 | Adys | the spec is unclear |
| 20:48.34 | Adys | fuck off, stop making me think you're interested by what I do |
| 20:48.36 | foxlit | or in a short(er) cooldown. |
| 20:48.43 | Adys | meanie. |
| 20:49.30 | foxlit | You didn't close your code tag on purpose? |
| 20:49.56 | Adys | yea |
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| 20:51.19 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, ugh, that would suck. I hammer keys all the time that are on cooldown :P |
| 20:51.38 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: otherwise, /castrandom Mortal Strike, Execute isn't going away. |
| 20:52.03 | Arrowmaster | it already has |
| 20:52.28 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they fixed that - it locks the /castrandom to the unusable spell until it works |
| 20:53.25 | foxlit | Yeah, they made their /castrandom implementation not work like the old /castrandom |
| 20:53.48 | foxlit | That, unfortunately, does not prevent someone else from implementing the old behavior. |
| 20:58.02 | Adys | hey Stanzilla |
| 20:58.09 | Adys | can you test http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-code.html ? |
| 20:58.12 | Adys | in opera |
| 20:58.17 | Stanzilla | all red |
| 20:58.32 | Adys | hm |
| 20:58.40 | Adys | got a DOM display handy? |
| 20:59.12 | Stanzilla | nope, and raiding atm :P |
| 20:59.17 | Adys | weaksauce |
| 21:17.11 | Adys | ~ping |
| 21:17.12 | purl | ~pong |
| 21:17.14 | Adys | Oo |
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| 21:22.05 | Lunessa | My god! That's moose-turd pie! ... It's good though. |
| 21:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. pie |
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| 21:32.14 | Aelobin | any idea when S7 starts? |
| 21:35.22 | foxlit | "Blizzard has just announced that StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty won't be released this year. " |
| 21:35.28 | foxlit | And a million Fiskers cried out in pain. |
| 21:37.52 | Dagmar | Is that available on CD or vinyl? |
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| 21:38.20 | Coren{de} | tehe, I'm not the only one wondering Blizzard's motive to "rename" GetDifficultyColor to GetDifficultyColors :D |
| 21:39.20 | Dagmar | Did they? |
| 21:39.47 | Dagmar | I would have thought a lot more addons would have been coughing up blood over that |
| 21:40.41 | Coren{de} | QuestDifficultyColor from QuestLogFrame.lua into QuestDifficultyColors in Constants.lua, just to make it a bit more interesting for those who puzzle ;) |
| 21:42.03 | makkura | weird to take the time to change it for 1 letter... besides laughing at the addon authors that have to track that down |
| 21:45.27 | Tuller | so, at what level do shamans get a totem bar? |
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| 21:47.23 | Coren{de} | weird... X-Perl player frame's self.partyid is getting lost somewhere... and I can't see how 8) anyone already have a clue? it's used for various tooltips which then choke on the incoming nil... :| |
| 21:47.37 | Corgrath | Hey guys. I just read a bout that Blizzard has made changes to /castrandom, is this true? |
| 21:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 21:49.00 | Corgrath | It saved the status of the last tried spell and it will retry it until its a success? |
| 21:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | From what I've heard here, yes |
| 21:49.53 | Corgrath | darn :( and i play a warrior |
| 21:50.01 | Corgrath | scratches his head |
| 21:50.08 | Corgrath | there.. must be a way around this |
| 21:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really |
| 21:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | From the UI source, it is a very intentional change |
| 21:50.41 | Corgrath | well, you can start to put it into sequence instead |
| 21:51.43 | makkura | Tuller: 30 as i recall reading |
| 21:51.57 | Corgrath | if you convert it into a sequence, you can still put all commands into one macro.. |
| 21:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, but it isn't random |
| 21:52.17 | Tuller | I guess the question is, which will happen first |
| 21:52.26 | Tuller | me leveling a shaman to 30 so I can accurately build a new totem jamber |
| 21:52.33 | Tuller | or blizzard sticking up another PTR :P |
| 21:52.40 | makkura | rofl |
| 21:53.10 | makkura | well PTR will probably be dead for awhile due to focus on fixing all the weird bugs the patch'll cause |
| 21:53.15 | makkura | so it's a fair chance you can hit 30 |
| 21:57.03 | Coren{de} | Bleh, was it really necessary to rename the questlog texture files? *grmbls* |
| 21:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 21:58.38 | nooga | when we can expect new carbonite? |
| 21:58.40 | nooga | :F |
| 21:59.21 | ScytheBlade1 | nooga: I'm decently sure that none of the people who make carbonite are in here |
| 22:00.00 | nooga | understood, but what time it usually take to patch such addon after client patch? |
| 22:00.09 | nooga | takes* |
| 22:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea. Ask on their forums |
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| 22:01.50 | ZorbaTHut | hey nooga, out of curiosity, what features of Carbonite do you use? |
| 22:02.07 | sacarasc | Watch out, Zorba is gonna convert you! :O |
| 22:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | (we do have the creator of QH here, though ;)) |
| 22:02.29 | nooga | oh |
| 22:02.34 | ZorbaTHut | well hey, it is sort of my biggest competitor. Always a good idea to scope out the competition ;) |
| 22:02.38 | Pneu^ | QH that spams the chat window atm :< |
| 22:02.46 | nooga | carbonite has this cool map with everything |
| 22:02.47 | ZorbaTHut | pneu, I know, I have no idea how that slipped through |
| 22:02.51 | ZorbaTHut | I even remember removing that line :( |
| 22:02.52 | nooga | and probably that's all ;p |
| 22:03.13 | ZorbaTHut | nooga, quest-objective-everything, or is there more to "everything"? |
| 22:03.30 | svenadh | ZorbaTHut: 10pennies for each line i thought the same... :D |
| 22:03.49 | nooga | ZorbaTHut: the way it zooms is also nice |
| 22:03.58 | nooga | and it display zones in a clear way |
| 22:04.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I will admit the zoom is pretty neat |
| 22:04.09 | ZorbaTHut | and something that I'm never planning to do ;) |
| 22:04.27 | VonhintenHOME` | good, useless fluff |
| 22:04.57 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, that reminds me, did that quest-objectives-on-the-map stuff ever make it to live, or did they pull it? |
| 22:05.09 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It didn't make it. |
| 22:05.18 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a shame |
| 22:05.41 | nooga | tbh, i'm a programmer, but C/ruby mainly... too lazy to start developing addons ;] |
| 22:05.59 | ZorbaTHut | funny thing is, I went and implemented the QH show-zones thing in response to them putting quest objectives on the map |
| 22:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | runes of magic has something similar, and damn if it's not remarkably handy, although it is so easymode, though. |
| 22:06.06 | ZorbaTHut | I figure I'm good as long as I stay one step ahead of Blizzard |
| 22:06.22 | ZorbaTHut | except that now I'm unexpectedly two steps ahead of Blizzard |
| 22:06.22 | nooga | i used QH and i must admit it's a nice piece of code |
| 22:06.26 | VonhintenHOME` | I haven't used QH in a while (because I haven't played WoW in a while), but did you ever get the issue resolved with the objective pointing to an NPC in the wrong spot? |
| 22:06.29 | Dagmar | Runes of Magic just plain _stole_ a lot of stuff |
| 22:06.43 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, maybe. which issue? there's a lot of them that can be summarized in that form |
| 22:06.45 | Dagmar | ...including the "omg endless grind" so many asian games are notable for |
| 22:06.52 | ZorbaTHut | it's a lot better and gets things wrong less often. it is still not perfect, however |
| 22:07.11 | Dagmar | I kid you not they pretty much stole the Green Hills of Stranglethorn collection quest in it's entirety |
| 22:07.14 | VonhintenHOME` | Zorba, for instance, an NPC that changes location based on what state you're in |
| 22:07.22 | ZorbaTHut | nooga, it's pretty good overall. It has some problems :) |
| 22:07.25 | A-KO | seriously Dagmar? lol |
| 22:07.27 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, most of those should be fixed |
| 22:07.30 | A-KO | I'm surprised blizz doesn't sue them :P |
| 22:07.32 | VonhintenHOME` | cool |
| 22:07.34 | Dagmar | A-KO: Right down to the page numbers. |
| 22:07.34 | A-KO | it looked a lot like wow tbh |
| 22:07.38 | A-KO | wow |
| 22:07.45 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, I currently don't link turnins with NPCs, only with locations, and I also do everything based on monster ID, not monster name |
| 22:07.59 | Dagmar | The "book" itself is different, but everything else related to it was just plagiarism |
| 22:08.04 | ZorbaTHut | the two of those put together cover, AFAIK, all the issues, even though I'd still fall over and die in the case where monsters with the same monster ID move based on phasing. |
| 22:08.10 | Dagmar | Oh, and you have to cut down a forest to make a pair of pants. |
| 22:08.17 | VonhintenHOME` | I see |
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| 22:08.37 | ZorbaTHut | if Blizzard ever does that, I'll sit down and finish the rest of the code I planned for to deal with that issue :) |
| 22:08.40 | Lunessa | with a herring |
| 22:10.21 | A-KO | I wonder how much they can get away with with regards to what they can or can't steal |
| 22:10.27 | Dagmar | I think they also stole the "boss difficulty is essentially random" thing from FFX |
| 22:10.59 | Dagmar | Tehre's a level 5 canine mob that can _easily_ eat your lunch at level 20 |
| 22:11.17 | A-KO | that's kinda dumb |
| 22:11.39 | Industrial | http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/08/05/2058228/emStarCraft-IIem-Delayed-Until-2010?from=rss |
| 22:11.39 | Dagmar | I somewhat suspect that there's a cash store item that makes him beatable. |
| 22:11.42 | Industrial | I AM ANGRY RIGHT NOW |
| 22:11.46 | Dagmar | lol |
| 22:11.47 | A-KO | I dunno I'm not one for the types of games with micropayments for everything, isn't that what rom does? |
| 22:11.59 | Dagmar | A-KO: Oh they go one better |
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| 22:12.21 | Dagmar | Unlike other games where you can make micropayments for vanity items and XP boosts, ROM lets you make micropayments to buy common crafting materials |
| 22:12.28 | alestane | It's Blizzard; if they had released it without announcing at least one delay, the universe might have ended. |
| 22:12.31 | Dagmar | ...which is probably why you have to cut down a forest to make a pair of pants. |
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| 22:12.46 | A-KO | I'm not a fan of that to be honest with you, it's purely obvious it's meant to be a cash cow |
| 22:12.49 | Dagmar | alestane: I think many of us would have been highly suspect of it coming out without a delay yes. ;) |
| 22:12.50 | A-KO | which is kind of shitty IMO |
| 22:13.24 | A-KO | Have to admit, for the $15/month and occasionaly $40-$60 payments on expansions for WoW, you get a lot of content for the $ |
| 22:13.29 | A-KO | it's almost criminal |
| 22:13.30 | Dagmar | yep |
| 22:14.06 | dardack | alestane: totally agree |
| 22:14.19 | dardack | but at least they get it close to right before release |
| 22:14.49 | A-KO | yeah, not a huge hater on game delays--I'd rather a game get delayed than come out with shitty unplayable bugs |
| 22:15.04 | Dagmar | A-KO: offhand I'd say Sony padding their numbers for FreeRealms is worse |
| 22:15.06 | svenadh | and on the sixth day, god created a sign, which showed "release delayed" |
| 22:15.19 | A-KO | the fact that they can confidently set a delay rather than the other unfortunate game houses who don't have that option is good IMO |
| 22:15.26 | A-KO | really Dagmar? I havne't looked into that |
| 22:15.30 | A-KO | what is Sony doing? |
| 22:15.53 | Dagmar | Well, at the outset they just migrated a whole crapton of Station users to being flagged for FreeRealms. |
| 22:16.04 | A-KO | LOL |
| 22:16.05 | A-KO | fail |
| 22:16.52 | Dagmar | ...and considering that you can make a good estimatation of how many people are playing, it's clear their "five million" number is also useless numbers created by tons of people making an account, playing for two hours, and saying "WTF this is for five-year-olds" and not logging back in |
| 22:17.13 | A-KO | sounds kind of how like a lot of conventions flub their numbers with "convention days" |
| 22:17.30 | A-KO | I think AX does that sort of thing also :P |
| 22:17.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: er, you can't buy "common crafting materials" via cash in RoM at all. |
| 22:17.42 | Dagmar | That's just so they don't feel stupid compared to PAX and Dragon*Con |
| 22:17.54 | A-KO | like if the event is 3 days long, and you have 10,000 attendees, they count it as "30,000" |
| 22:18.05 | A-KO | how big is pax these days? I might go next year |
| 22:18.06 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I was looking at the newbie timber for sale just a month or so ago |
| 22:18.09 | A-KO | too many damn conventions IMO |
| 22:18.19 | Dagmar | A-KO: Ginormous, as per usual |
| 22:18.35 | A-KO | yeah all the good ones are far west of me :P I'm on the east coast... |
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| 22:18.37 | Dagmar | E3 took them on and failed |
| 22:18.50 | A-KO | E3 failed because it was some retarded person's decision to change what E3 was |
| 22:18.57 | A-KO | and now they're boohooing that everyone took their $ elsewhere--no shit |
| 22:19.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: o_0 maybe i missed it when perusing the cash shop stuff. granted, i'm not disputing that it can be a huge cash sink and the game has huge flaws.. :P |
| 22:19.37 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: The game itself isn't that bad, I thought |
| 22:20.05 | Dagmar | It's just like walking down a dark and twisting hallway lined with rusty nails with respect to the micropayments |
| 22:20.18 | Dagmar | At every turn you find more things that you're just not allowed to use |
| 22:20.28 | Dagmar | Like, four times your current bag space |
| 22:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* yeah, to an extent. if you're patient, and creative, you can do a lot without having to pay anything, though. (Patience is the important part) |
| 22:21.55 | A-KO | I've had friends try to give up WoW for other MMO games :P doesn't work....they all have come back |
| 22:22.03 | NightHawkTheSane | the game itself is okay, but its very young, clearly rough around the edges. *shrug* |
| 22:22.13 | Dagmar | Man going 'round collecting enough wood, stone, and grasses just to get those three skills to level 12 made me want to cut myself |
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| 22:22.28 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, it only gets more painful :( |
| 22:22.35 | Dagmar | Yeah that's why I stopped |
| 22:22.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the amount of mats you need to skillup crafting is idiotic |
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| 22:22.54 | Dagmar | Not even EverQuest was that vicious about the return from crafted goods |
| 22:24.32 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, PAX East, Boston, late March |
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| 22:25.19 | Coren{de} | eh wut, EQ was not vicious? I have different memories there... :D |
| 22:25.40 | Dagmar | Not like this |
| 22:25.48 | Coren{de} | high skill points with weeks of farming shizz in the hopes that a combine *might* imp... /shivers |
| 22:26.01 | Dagmar | You might need two platinum bars to make a _dinner plate_ worth 5s but ROM is far worse |
| 22:26.20 | Dagmar | You literally have to cut down a small forest and deturf 40 square yards to make ONE pair of pants |
| 22:26.30 | Dagmar | ...and who the hell would wear pants made with that much wood? |
| 22:26.38 | Dagmar | How could you possibly afford the ointment to fix that chafing? |
| 22:26.50 | Coren{de} | hm. a forest elemental? 8) |
| 22:27.01 | Dagmar | A shame they didn't put that in as a player class |
| 22:27.12 | Dagmar | Oh, and those pants will effectively be a grey quality item |
| 22:27.32 | Dagmar | ...but never fear, for about the same number of materials again you can upgrade them to something almost green |
| 22:27.47 | Dagmar | ...and then for slightly less materials in volume, but much RARER you can upgrade that again to blue |
| 22:28.08 | Dagmar | Of course, in the meantime youo've looted that sort of thing ten times over from random squirrels you stepped on |
| 22:28.22 | Dagmar | It seriously makes you want to hurt yourself |
| 22:29.12 | Dagmar | I can make actual pants in real life in a bit less time |
| 22:30.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: well, from what i gather, the major benefit to crafting is creating statless items with high (>100) durability, that can then be tiered-up & have stats transferred on to them. |
| 22:32.54 | Dagmar | Seems like less trouble to just kill things until what you want drops |
| 22:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | far more random, though. |
| 22:33.22 | Dagmar | Yeah, but they foolishly put in an AH so I had no trouble trading out gear |
| 22:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't say it was perfect. ;) |
| 22:34.00 | Dagmar | I did the same thing i've always done on WoW--dropped all non-suck gear into the AH, bought what I really needed, rinse, repeat |
| 22:35.42 | Dagmar | At least MegaTan has the occasional borderline-ecchi demons to look at |
| 22:36.30 | Dagmar | They have the know of PokeCrack over there |
| 22:37.05 | Coren{de} | what is that parentKey stuff I see all over the diffs? i.e. what's it good for and is it necessary for whatever hitherto functionality? |
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| 22:40.02 | robotusch | Fisker, you around? |
| 22:41.16 | alestane | Coren{de}: parentKey tags in XML allow you to set how an object is introduced in the Lua environment. |
| 22:41.51 | alestane | It means that the key on the parent object's table corresponding to the value of the parentKey attribute will be set to the newly created object. |
| 22:42.01 | robotusch | fuck yeah |
| 22:42.11 | robotusch | Elkano's hotfix for FramesResized works out |
| 22:42.22 | Coren{de} | nice, thanks alestane :) |
| 22:44.46 | alestane | What it basically allows you to do is start getting away from the whole _G[frame:GetName().."Icon"] business. |
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| 22:47.23 | Kraps | "It's happening as much as it's happening" - guest on NPR |
| 22:47.33 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBxPYhOnKv0 < okay seriously that's freaking cool |
| 22:52.54 | Kraps | this is a test, you dont need to click |
| 22:53.05 | Kraps | http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=111587531&m=111589219 |
| 22:53.11 | Kraps | http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=111587531&m=111589219 |
| 22:55.10 | Kraps | http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=111589228&m=111589214 |
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| 22:58.08 | Coren{de} | sometimes I wished someone would teach diff about block logic and how things are meant to be... :D |
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| 23:09.30 | Wobin | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25889328-421,00.html |
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| 23:16.04 | Kraps | A-KO: whats that? |
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| 23:19.16 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/THE_REAL_SHAQ wat |
| 23:20.07 | Kraps | hay look http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/JewelStaite?hreflang=en |
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| 23:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | hey look, another way for desperate people to stalk celebrities online! |
| 23:21.39 | Kraps | i'll let her work on my spaceship /hides |
| 23:21.43 | A-KO | Kraps: that's some video of some japanese researchers playing with some sort of image sensor and a laser.....it detects obstacles and objects to make the laser appear to be constrained...so they can draw all over a peice of paper, play pong with their hands, etc. |
| 23:22.19 | Kraps | A-KO: oh nice |
| 23:24.21 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: thats extremely impressive |
| 23:25.04 | Kraps | I just woke up from a dream where I was told that if I ate a meatball sub I'd have to pee all day. Why would I dream that? I had to pee. |
| 23:25.21 | Kraps | the brillance of Jessica simpson |
| 23:26.54 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: hey, don't knock the Shaq =P |
| 23:27.23 | Wobin | http://www.michaelgcohen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/shaq-oprah-caps2.png |
| 23:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | was waiting for that picture to come across |
| 23:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, yeah, seen it |
| 23:27.46 | Wobin | aims to please |
| 23:32.37 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/BillCosby |
| 23:32.43 | Kraps | WHAT |
| 23:34.02 | A-KO | hey quick question here...what's the importance of keeping the toc file updated on you addon on curse? Have you noticed people become more weary of the addon being "3.1" even though nothing broke from the changes? |
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| 23:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Addons thate don't match the current TOC are disabled on every patch |
| 23:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | (Unless you work some voodoo) |
| 23:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus, they're labeled as "Out of date" |
| 23:35.30 | A-KO | ah |
| 23:35.34 | A-KO | okay |
| 23:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | *that |
| 23:36.49 | A-KO | well what I mean is, on curse specifically.....I know the game does that :P |
| 23:37.03 | A-KO | whatever, I'll just fix my toc |
| 23:37.06 | A-KO | no biggie |
| 23:37.28 | A-KO | new interface version is 30200? |
| 23:37.34 | A-KO | I assume? |
| 23:37.45 | bleeter | you could just select 'load out of date' and wait for stuff to blow up |
| 23:37.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont even think i udpated my addons' tocs for 3.1 >.> |
| 23:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Topic for #WoWUIDev: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 |
| 23:38.12 | A-KO | oh no, I'm just looking at it from a standpoint of people downloading it, etc..... |
| 23:39.18 | Kraps | ashton kutcher has the most followers |
| 23:39.35 | bleeter | A-KO: as long as you're 100% certain nothing will break, yeah bumping the TOC is the right thing to do |
| 23:40.06 | bleeter | A-KO: having it out of date, until you're 100% certain it's safe for the new ToC, ie forcing people to load out of date so they're aware you've not fully checked, is always advisable |
| 23:46.11 | mikma | omg |
| 23:46.14 | mikma | isle of lagginess |
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| 23:51.52 | Kraps | so how many people on twitter are pretending to be emma watson? |
| 23:53.19 | Kraps | because i dont think she has one |
| 23:55.11 | Kraps | also, any of tried the twink bgs yet? |
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| 23:57.17 | Kraps | "In an official press release, Blizzard announced today that StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty, the first installment of the Starcraft II trilogy, previously indicated to be released in the last quarter of this year, is delayed to the first half of 2010." |
| 23:58.28 | End | haha |
