| 00:00.11 | jnwhiteh | i.e. /cleartarget then /yourmacrofoo here then /targetlasttarget |
| 00:00.21 | foxlit | Ah, nevermind. It just ignores the target to CSBN. |
| 00:00.32 | jnwhiteh | _ONLY_ if you have a target |
| 00:00.39 | jnwhiteh | and its a bit more complicated than that, but yes. |
| 00:01.04 | foxlit | I was slightly puzzled at the process of SCOP not working for wild growth -- that'd be crazy. |
| 00:01.15 | expiation | thanks :D |
| 00:01.17 | foxlit | s/process/prospect/ |
| 00:01.20 | foxlit | nap time soon :/ |
| 00:02.44 | expiation | yea now that works perfect |
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| 00:03.18 | Zealin | hm is it possible to disable resize posibility from a AceGui:Create("Frame") ? |
| 00:03.46 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: no, inventory isn't something you know about immediately |
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| 00:04.03 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: yes, but at what point does it become available? |
| 00:04.07 | jnwhiteh | i tried PL |
| 00:04.09 | jnwhiteh | i tried PEW |
| 00:04.10 | jnwhiteh | i tried VL |
| 00:04.23 | foxlit | I'm sure it has its own event. |
| 00:04.52 | jnwhiteh | I don't see one. |
| 00:05.17 | foxlit | UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED? |
| 00:05.20 | foxlit | Or are we talking bags? |
| 00:05.24 | jnwhiteh | bas |
| 00:05.25 | jnwhiteh | bags |
| 00:05.38 | foxlit | See if BAG_UPDATE fires during loading? |
| 00:06.02 | jnwhiteh | it does |
| 00:06.03 | jnwhiteh | many times |
| 00:06.14 | jnwhiteh | and then there are period of time where GetContainerNumSlots() switches from the right values |
| 00:06.15 | jnwhiteh | to 0 |
| 00:06.18 | jnwhiteh | and back. |
| 00:07.16 | foxlit | You could probably postpone things to the first OnUpdate |
| 00:07.25 | jnwhiteh | yeah btu this is for the bok |
| 00:07.29 | jnwhiteh | on the event handling chapter =) |
| 00:07.38 | jnwhiteh | makes it a bit unsuitable |
| 00:07.39 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 00:07.49 | jnwhiteh | except to say "BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE" |
| 00:09.16 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 00:09.17 | purl | methinks framexml is Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 00:09.31 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: looks like the next release version for both. for NNW it's 3.2, which is currently in beta.. |
| 00:10.00 | NightHawkTheSane | feeddemon is in some rc version dunno what version its next release is *shrug* |
| 00:10.27 | foxlit | I still can't believe their 404'ed http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ and haven't fixed their template |
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| 00:25.20 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/8bit_360.jpg |
| 00:27.01 | Wobin | Fisker: http://www.supload.com/listen?s=U0pLVQ |
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| 00:33.13 | Kraps | What profit has man in all his toil that he toils under the sun? |
| 00:33.19 | Wobin | also: http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2009/07/30/no-three-execs-for-this-one/ |
| 00:33.24 | Wobin | that looks cool =) |
| 00:33.30 | foxlit | Kraps: no, it belongs to the people. |
| 00:34.06 | Kraps | All things are wearisome; no one can utter it; the eye shall not be sated from seeing, nor shall the ear be filled from hearing. |
| 00:34.38 | Kraps | I saw all the deeds that were done under the sun, and behold, everything is vanity and frustration. |
| 00:35.35 | Kraps | For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge, increases pain. |
| 00:37.22 | Kraps | Then I turned [to look] at all my deeds that my hands had wrought and upon the toil that I had toiled to do, and behold everything is vanity and frustration, and there is no profit under the sun. |
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| 00:48.15 | Kraps | And it was at noon that Elijah scoffed at them, and he said, "Call with a loud voice, for he is a god. [Perhaps] he is talking or he is pursuing [enemies] or he is on a journey; perhaps he is sleeping and will awaken. |
| 00:48.30 | Kraps | (or he is on a journey: to the water closet.) |
| 00:48.51 | Kraps | +1 for Elijah |
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| 00:55.07 | Kraps | censorship fail http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wow.com/media/2009/07/az_wow_lockcensor.jpg |
| 00:55.56 | mikma | yeah lol hahahahahaha |
| 00:56.19 | Vonhinten | eh? |
| 00:56.20 | Kraps | pretty sad |
| 00:56.28 | Vonhinten | The fact that it's a bag icon? |
| 00:56.33 | Kraps | yes |
| 00:56.52 | Kraps | its wow china |
| 01:04.02 | Shirik | what is that supposed to be? |
| 01:07.04 | Wobin | improved Corruption |
| 01:07.05 | batrick | anyone else hate the name "bing" for a search engine? |
| 01:07.15 | Wobin | batrick: You'll get used to googling it =P |
| 01:07.23 | batrick | all microsoft hate aside |
| 01:07.33 | batrick | I just couldn't imagine saying: "Go bing it" |
| 01:07.42 | Wobin | I just like the 'rumour' that it stood for "Bing Is Not Google" =P |
| 01:07.53 | batrick | haha |
| 01:09.55 | batrick | i've never really looked closely at the imp corruption icon before... is it supposed to be a man belching his guts out? |
| 01:09.56 | Wobin | hm, I'm trying to figure out what the Imp Corruption icon is supposed to represent |
| 01:10.03 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:10.08 | batrick | lol... |
| 01:10.22 | batrick | i can see the eyes and teeth |
| 01:10.29 | batrick | I don't know why that's censored |
| 01:10.35 | batrick | I have to assume it was an accident |
| 01:10.37 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:10.43 | batrick | there are eviler looking icons |
| 01:10.59 | Wobin | Drain soul for one |
| 01:11.06 | Wobin | and howl of terror |
| 01:11.35 | batrick | pretty much every warlock icon could be censored |
| 01:11.36 | ccox | Bing - named for Bing Crosby, because crap like that sells to old farts who don't know how to use the internet |
| 01:11.39 | Wobin | eh... warlock levelling =\ |
| 01:11.54 | Wobin | I get the feeling I'm going to have to completely relearn how to play at 80 once I hit it |
| 01:12.01 | batrick | if (strncmp(pc, "#", 1) != 0) { |
| 01:12.04 | batrick | wow ^ |
| 01:12.08 | Wobin | cause raiding damage will be completely different from levelling |
| 01:12.17 | ccox | wobin - somewhat, yes |
| 01:12.24 | ccox | wobin - you'll certainly respec at 80 |
| 01:12.36 | batrick | I gave up playing partially because I can't force myself to adapt to the new way play |
| 01:12.45 | Wobin | Is there any spec I can try to ease my way into it? =) |
| 01:13.03 | ccox | affliction - stays close to the same at 80 as levelling |
| 01:13.12 | ccox | and it's a good levelling spec |
| 01:13.33 | ccox | <-- aff-lock, 10 days played from 1 to 80 |
| 01:14.54 | Wobin | isn't affliction draintanking? |
| 01:15.42 | ccox | DOT, DOT, DOT, drain |
| 01:15.43 | Wobin | I'm only 47 so far, but I've been Cor+CoA then Drain Life/Fear repeat |
| 01:15.59 | ccox | if you use a voidwalker, you may not have to tank yourself so often |
| 01:16.09 | Wobin | they hold aggro that well? |
| 01:16.15 | Wobin | I've been succying it up for the dps |
| 01:16.19 | ccox | I only used fear when fighting 4 or more mobs |
| 01:16.24 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:16.37 | ccox | blueberries do a decent job of holding aggro |
| 01:16.41 | Shirik | locks are OP |
| 01:16.45 | ccox | far better than you do at surviving damage |
| 01:16.47 | Wobin | three or less I can get enough from the drain life/siphon life |
| 01:17.37 | ccox | locks are more fun once you have gear and hit BGs |
| 01:17.50 | Wobin | ie SoC =P |
| 01:17.56 | ccox | WTFPWNing folks all day is fun |
| 01:18.15 | Wobin | I'm a terrible pvper |
| 01:20.03 | ccox | not just SoC, you won't have that many opportunities to use it (except in AV or WG) |
| 01:21.09 | ccox | DOT, DOT, fear, 8k crit shadowbolt, dead |
| 01:21.43 | Wobin | I have to say, as an ele shaman, I -love- running with warlocks |
| 01:21.53 | ccox | maybe easier when I get more T7/T8 gear |
| 01:22.04 | Wobin | with CoE, it's like HOSHIT9KCRIT |
| 01:22.34 | Wobin | and that's with prenaxx gear =P |
| 01:22.44 | ccox | i usually only use CoElements on elites |
| 01:23.01 | Wobin | I have an incredibly understanding warlock buddy =P |
| 01:23.04 | ccox | anything less and the dots are faster |
| 01:23.22 | Wobin | who finds my cries of astonishment much more entertaining |
| 01:23.53 | ccox | lol |
| 01:24.33 | Wobin | Anyway, trash burns down so fast I wouldn't say CoA is as effective as CoE with other caster |
| 01:24.40 | Wobin | s |
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| 01:25.08 | Wobin | which is the biggest problem with trash =( Not enough uptime for the full curse dot effect |
| 01:25.25 | ccox | most trash, just drain or bolt |
| 01:25.36 | ccox | or hit em with AOE |
| 01:29.07 | Wobin | ccox: what's your normal rotation on bosses? |
| 01:29.28 | ccox | no simple rotation because the DOTs time out oddly |
| 01:29.57 | ccox | and I remember keys, not spell names :-( |
| 01:30.26 | Wobin | hm, priority cast then? |
| 01:32.07 | ccox | sort of - see what's about to expire, update, but try to let it get in the full tick |
| 01:33.04 | kd3 | the hell? another new build? |
| 01:33.06 | kd3 | ponders |
| 01:39.21 | Kraps | locks are op |
| 01:39.53 | Kraps | especially Masterlocks |
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| 01:52.20 | Shirik | huh |
| 01:52.25 | Shirik | Lightroom just crashed |
| 01:52.40 | batrick | what's that for |
| 01:52.57 | batrick | nvm |
| 01:53.24 | batrick | !lua debug.getfenv() |
| 01:53.27 | batbot | batrick: @ maximum execution time exceeded |
| 01:55.04 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:55.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:55.08 | mikma | lua> debug.getfenv() |
| 01:55.08 | lua_bot | mikma: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
| 01:55.18 | mikma | mehehee |
| 01:55.19 | batrick | it's a crash |
| 01:55.30 | Shirik | batrick: You asking what lightroom's for? |
| 01:55.31 | batrick | technically an assertion failure because I have assertions on |
| 01:55.39 | batrick | not anymore |
| 01:55.44 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 01:55.49 | batrick | y? |
| 01:55.50 | Shirik | well it's basically program of awesomeness |
| 01:55.59 | batrick | if you want to lecture me on it go ahead |
| 01:56.25 | batrick | debug.getfenv doesn't check that it receives an argument |
| 01:56.26 | Shirik | nah |
| 01:56.34 | Shirik | cool |
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| 01:56.43 | Shirik | does that means I can break things? |
| 01:56.53 | batrick | doubt it but go ahead |
| 01:57.19 | batrick | this coffee house i'm at has some of the worst music ever |
| 01:57.32 | batrick | playing all this european/indian stuff |
| 01:57.36 | batrick | i want to kill myself |
| 01:58.23 | mikma | do it. |
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| 01:59.15 | ccox | I just want to know how he crashed a mass of Lua code with his pictures --- are they really that bad? |
| 01:59.50 | batrick | crashing lua isn't that hard with incorrect C code |
| 02:00.03 | batrick | which lightroom has undoutebly (sp?) tons of |
| 02:00.04 | batbot | batrick, nothing found. |
| 02:00.11 | batrick | undoubtebly (sp?) |
| 02:00.12 | batbot | batrick, undoubtedly. |
| 02:00.29 | mikma | poop (sp?) |
| 02:00.29 | batbot | mikma, poop is correct. |
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| 02:01.47 | batrick | Surprising Lua isn't mentioned on lightroom's homepage |
| 02:01.56 | batrick | then again, Blizzard does the same shit |
| 02:04.38 | batrick | there's a murloc ringtone |
| 02:05.16 | expiation | what does it sound like |
| 02:05.25 | mikma | grlllgrlllgrllll |
| 02:05.36 | batrick | i didn't listen to it |
| 02:05.58 | batrick | it'd be amusing to have it go off at blizzcon and see the hauntedly scared faces of the surrounding people |
| 02:06.32 | kd3 | my phone ring is the murloc mrrrglrgrll |
| 02:06.42 | kd3 | I love scaring the living daylights out of my wow-playing friends |
| 02:08.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:08.33 | kd3 | also; rofl at the newest ptr build |
| 02:08.38 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Orphan_Matron_Aria |
| 02:08.59 | Shirik | fire sirens just went off again.... |
| 02:09.30 | batrick | i've missed every children's week except the first one which I didn't do |
| 02:09.52 | batrick | shame because they were some good pets |
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| 02:28.07 | bluspacecow | whats the latest version of OSX Tiger , 10.4.xx ? |
| 02:30.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | 10.4.11 |
| 02:30.45 | NightHawkTheSan1 | which may not include any more recent security updates |
| 02:39.33 | bluspacecow | thanks night |
| 02:43.34 | vithos | does anyone know of an existing addon for pasting multiple lines to chat easily? |
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| 02:45.16 | bluspacecow | hmmm ? |
| 02:45.29 | bluspacecow | i just paste it in and if it doesn't fit go back and copy more |
| 02:46.17 | expiation | does anyone use macaroon? is it good? |
| 02:47.45 | expiation | or would you suggest a different bar mod? *shrug* |
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| 02:54.05 | Shirik | TC-Away: ping |
| 02:54.26 | Thunder_Child | good timing Shirik, i just got home |
| 02:54.29 | Shirik | :D |
| 02:54.36 | Shirik | I'm trying to use the clone stamp tool |
| 02:54.40 | Shirik | but |
| 02:54.46 | Shirik | The thing I want to copy from is in a different layer |
| 02:54.49 | Shirik | is this possible? |
| 02:55.03 | Shirik | or do I have to clone to the same layer |
| 02:55.30 | Thunder_Child | thats not something i have come across |
| 02:55.44 | Shirik | Well maybe you have a better way |
| 02:55.54 | Shirik | I have a white painted line on asphault |
| 02:55.54 | batrick | looks like adding scripting support for screen is going to flop |
| 02:55.56 | Shirik | that I'm trying to remove |
| 02:56.04 | batrick | i haven't seen any new posts on it since the student was introduced |
| 02:56.08 | batrick | how unfortunate |
| 02:56.08 | Shirik | I thought I would take the painted line and copy it to a new layer |
| 02:56.14 | Thunder_Child | the line is on a different layer than the aspahlt? |
| 02:56.16 | Shirik | then paint over it to get rid of it |
| 02:56.22 | Thunder_Child | asphault* |
| 02:56.25 | Shirik | I moved it to another layer so I could lock the transparent pixels |
| 02:56.29 | Shirik | that way I only modify the line |
| 02:56.57 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, copy more than the line, do the clone, then crop |
| 02:57.08 | Thunder_Child | is what i would do i guess |
| 02:57.11 | Shirik | but if I copy more then I will modify more than the line :/ |
| 02:57.34 | Thunder_Child | no....you crop out the part other than where the line was |
| 02:57.46 | Thunder_Child | you just take it with for the clone stap |
| 03:06.40 | bluspacecow | -_- yet another PTR build |
| 03:07.08 | bluspacecow | 10179 |
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| 03:18.00 | vithos | bluspacecow: multiple lines, not one line |
| 03:18.08 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 03:18.11 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Is there another way you'd do it? |
| 03:18.15 | vithos | 21:45 < bluspacecow> i just paste it in and if it doesn't fit go back and copy more |
| 03:18.18 | bluspacecow | is confuseded |
| 03:18.47 | vithos | like i want to paste 10+ lines of text quickly |
| 03:19.02 | bluspacecow | i cant think of a single situation where it would be faster to do it via an addon than just alt tab and copy and paste |
| 03:19.12 | kd3 | look for raid boss strat addons? |
| 03:19.33 | bluspacecow | you'ld still run up against the antispam features in chat channels wow has |
| 03:19.46 | vithos | you think you can alttab/copy/paste 10 times faster than copy/pasting it all at once after typing /paste or something? |
| 03:20.20 | vithos | that just throttles it though, it still goes through |
| 03:20.38 | bluspacecow | but how would you get it into wow in the first place ? |
| 03:20.53 | vithos | ...what |
| 03:20.56 | vithos | copy and paste |
| 03:21.07 | vithos | into an addon's multiline edit frame |
| 03:21.12 | bluspacecow | oh i see |
| 03:21.30 | bluspacecow | and it goes off and auto truncates , posts it , gets the next bit .... |
| 03:25.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, if you can get a section of the picture you like as a pattern. eg. cut a section, make a new file with it in it then edit -> define pattern |
| 03:25.41 | Thunder_Child | then you can use the pattern stamp tool |
| 03:29.01 | bluspacecow | seen in the tech support forums "World Of Warcraft Install Sucessful !!!!! now im downloading the Linch King Hopefully everything goes well ill let u kno if it doesnt install" |
| 03:29.06 | bluspacecow | rofls Linch king :D |
| 03:30.57 | Sargeras | Cairenn! |
| 03:31.04 | Cairenn | Sargeras! |
| 03:31.11 | Sargeras | I haz mah BlizzCon codes |
| 03:31.15 | bluspacecow | MAGIC 8 BALL ! |
| 03:31.15 | Cairenn | I saw! |
| 03:31.19 | bluspacecow | *shakes* |
| 03:31.37 | bluspacecow | "steak goes well with ice cream and strawberries" |
| 03:31.41 | bluspacecow | O_o |
| 03:32.39 | Thunder_Child | fries goes good with ice cream |
| 03:32.50 | Thunder_Child | dunno about steak however |
| 03:33.06 | bluspacecow | ahh brb shower |
| 03:43.49 | Kraps | guild is starting to use dkp |
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| 03:53.39 | Shirik|Ghost | seriously, what is the purpose of "mobile armory"? |
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| 03:58.44 | Thunder_Child | i have used it Shirik |
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| 04:06.43 | bluspacecow | shirik : geek e-peen |
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| 04:36.27 | Nechckn | Beware the lynch king, he'll string you up! |
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| 04:42.23 | Thunder_Child | hardly blue |
| 04:42.30 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 04:44.20 | kd3 | meh, that was quick, but not quick enough |
| 04:44.26 | kd3 | yum's finally offering the bind9 update |
| 04:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | got it yesterday |
| 04:46.20 | kd3 | pokes yum again |
| 04:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yum clean all? |
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| 05:02.37 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/30/funny-pictures-mama-loves-u/ |
| 05:02.59 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
| 05:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 'just fluffy' |
| 05:05.11 | Wobin | PS, I don't get today's XKCD |
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| 05:05.21 | Wobin | is it some current affair event I am unaware of? |
| 05:05.34 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 05:05.43 | Cairenn | oofs and falls over |
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| 05:06.27 | kd3 | wobin; a racist white cop arrested a well-known black professor who was 'breaking in to his own home'. obama then suggested the first panel. |
| 05:08.03 | Wobin | "come have a beer"? |
| 05:08.12 | kd3 | http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/29/bee-choice-at-obama-meeting-touches-off-new-debate/ |
| 05:08.13 | Wobin | interesting |
| 05:08.23 | Wobin | oh, "Come have a bee!" |
| 05:08.28 | kd3 | first story about the beer I could find |
| 05:08.43 | Shirik | Fortune |
| 05:08.46 | Shirik | Be warned that typing \fBkillall \fIname\fP may not have the desired |
| 05:08.46 | Shirik | effect on non-Linux systems, especially when done by a privileged user. |
| 05:08.46 | Shirik | (From the killall manual page) |
| 05:08.50 | Shirik | I don't get it... |
| 05:08.51 | Wobin | oh god |
| 05:08.59 | Wobin | this is worse than the "What dog should they choose" debate |
| 05:09.02 | kd3 | >.> |
| 05:09.43 | Wobin | http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/30/beer-summit-convenes/ |
| 05:10.39 | Shirik | emerge sync! |
| 05:10.41 | Shirik | rawrwrwrw |
| 05:10.46 | kd3 | in other news... yay, I like the same beer as the president |
| 05:12.11 | Thunder_Child | kd3, it tastes better, right? |
| 05:13.40 | Shirik | you know what |
| 05:13.48 | Shirik | the whole concept of portage is flawed, I think |
| 05:13.55 | kd3 | yay. the 7th ep of endless eight is done downloading. time to zone out for the night |
| 05:14.15 | Shirik | Why the hell do you have to sync your entire tree |
| 05:14.30 | Shirik | why can't it just be a version controlled metadata that computes a delta since your last sync |
| 05:14.35 | Shirik | feeds you the delta |
| 05:14.36 | Shirik | done |
| 05:15.10 | Shirik | surely this would be a hell of a lot faster |
| 05:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, that is what rsync does |
| 05:15.39 | Shirik | it seems like they sync every file |
| 05:15.42 | Wobin | awesome: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202823/2in-gap-35mph-A-job-superswallow.html |
| 05:15.48 | Shirik | which means you have to compute a delta against each file |
| 05:15.50 | ScytheBlade1 | rsync does delta-based diffs |
| 05:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 05:16.00 | Shirik | why can't you do it across the entire system at once |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik | it seems like trying to do each file would require a lot more network traffic |
| 05:16.27 | Shirik | hell, computing a delta /per file/ seems worthless |
| 05:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | feel free to switch to debian |
| 05:16.34 | Shirik | it would probably be faster to transmit the entire file |
| 05:16.38 | Shirik | they're tiny |
| 05:17.20 | Shirik | no, fuck debian |
| 05:17.31 | ScytheBlade1 | they do diffs in that manner |
| 05:17.46 | Shirik | debian is debian-based |
| 05:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | well, yes |
| 05:19.36 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVuP1BjbhAg&feature=player_embedded |
| 05:19.38 | Wobin | two things |
| 05:19.46 | Wobin | 1) Rach is a crazy crazy man |
| 05:20.04 | Wobin | 2) Valentina has insane skills |
| 05:21.29 | Shirik | has insane skills |
| 05:29.37 | Wobin | can you play like her? |
| 05:29.41 | Wobin | cause you don't if you can't |
| 05:29.50 | Wobin | PS, wtf, Skype shutting down? |
| 05:29.56 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 05:30.47 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/biz-tech/shock-threat-to-shut-skype-20090731-e3qe.html |
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| 05:32.36 | Cairenn | huh |
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| 05:33.08 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, it's like watching a computer play the piano, no feelings |
| 05:37.38 | Shirik | it's like watching Fisker on IRC |
| 05:37.51 | Shirik | no thought, just action |
| 05:40.23 | Shirik | in a diff file, you see + for new lines, - for deleted lines |
| 05:40.26 | Shirik | wtf is o |
| 05:40.44 | Corrodias | i don't know, a change within the line? |
| 05:40.49 | Corrodias | maybe... a lack of change? |
| 05:41.12 | Shirik | it should be nothing if there's no change |
| 05:42.04 | Arrowmaster | are you sure you are using diff -u |
| 05:42.12 | Shirik | I'm using whatever etc-update uses |
| 05:43.37 | A-KO | hey what's the config file addition to take screenies in tga rather than jpg again? |
| 05:44.59 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 05:45.04 | A-KO | nm found i |
| 05:45.05 | A-KO | it |
| 05:45.07 | Shirik | why the hell would ebay buy essentially half of a product |
| 05:45.27 | Shirik | that sounds like a horrible business decision |
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| 05:45.35 | Ycarene | Shirik - dispatch-conf is a much better tool than etc-update |
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| 05:56.16 | Thunder_Child | i want my computer....now |
| 05:57.38 | Shirik | are you currently using some batteries and wires to communicate on IRC? |
| 05:57.57 | Thunder_Child | impressive isnt it? |
| 05:58.01 | Thunder_Child | i meant my new computer |
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| 05:59.43 | anesthesia | i have a question about auctioneer... |
| 05:59.47 | anesthesia | is that allowed? |
| 06:00.08 | Thunder_Child | #norganna #norgana might be better |
| 06:00.15 | Thunder_Child | i can never remember how it is spelled |
| 06:00.27 | anesthesia | ty |
| 06:00.28 | Thunder_Child | 2 n |
| 06:00.30 | Thunder_Child | 's |
| 06:00.34 | anesthesia | Thanks so much |
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| 06:00.39 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
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| 06:09.24 | Shirik | ã«ï½ï½ï½ |
| 06:09.29 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:09.32 | Shirik | night |
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| 06:55.45 | Wobin | hehe, I love TVTropes |
| 06:55.47 | Wobin | "Lazlo Woodbine, from various writings of Robert Rankin is a parody of the archetypal PI. He insists on using the first person, getting knocked unconscious at his first appearance and can only appear in four scenes (His office, a bar, an alleyway and a rooftop). Considering the outlandish nature of his books, often involving things such as time-traveling Elvis doing battle with Eldritch Abominations out to unmake existence, this makes th |
| 06:55.47 | Wobin | ings awkward. " |
| 06:57.49 | Corrodias | hah |
| 07:02.40 | Wobin | oh god. tvtropes. neverending |
| 07:03.13 | Corrodias | YES |
| 07:03.16 | Corrodias | never go there |
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| 08:19.00 | Wobin | whimpers |
| 08:19.15 | Wobin | one hour later |
| 08:19.23 | Wobin | 8 links deep |
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| 08:23.19 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:07.32 | Neffykins | Hey |
| 09:08.30 | sacarasc | Fisker: He's name is Wobin, Lazlo Wobin. Some call him Laz. |
| 09:08.43 | Neffykins | I'm wondering about something. I'm working on some codework that's gonna make extensive use of tables (for timers and events) and I'm worrying about performance impact. I figured with table.wipe now implemented it would be no problem to simply make a recycler but I tested and it seems like it's not that fast. |
| 09:09.03 | Neffykins | I'm wondering, is it worth it to recycle tables with just a few entries (under 20, normally around 5) |
| 09:09.08 | Wobin | nope |
| 09:09.23 | Elkano | he's? zomg... |
| 09:09.37 | sacarasc | s/He's/is/ |
| 09:09.44 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 09:09.48 | sacarasc | I fucked that up too. |
| 09:11.08 | Arrowmaster | Neffykins: you really want to recycle tables when you would other wise be creating them too fast for the GC to be fully effective on them |
| 09:11.34 | krka | first profile, then optimize |
| 09:11.39 | Arrowmaster | for most other purposes especially smaller tables, recycling isnt that much of a benefit if any at times |
| 09:12.09 | Neffykins | How fast is too fast? |
| 09:12.26 | Arrowmaster | in an OnUpdate or CLEU |
| 09:12.31 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 09:12.37 | Neffykins | Each timer is a table. I'm not sure how fast they'll be made. Each event is also held in a table unique to that module, and when the module unregisters all events it ditches the table. |
| 09:13.35 | Fisker | slaps sacarasc around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:20.21 | bleeter | Cairenn: hot news: there's been some success in getting GTalk voice happening on Pidgin under windows ;) |
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| 09:20.35 | Cairenn | cool |
| 09:21.00 | bleeter | and people said it would never happen this year mwhahahaha |
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| 09:32.02 | batrick | Anyone with a lot of addons able to tell me the number of elements in the global table: "local n = 0; for _ in pairs(_G) do n = n+1 end print(n)" |
| 09:33.32 | Neffykins | I did a count a while back and it came out to almost 30000 with a few dozen addons |
| 09:33.39 | Neffykins | 30000, not 3000 |
| 09:34.31 | Neffykins | Also, don't use pairs, you'll get DCed. I made a coroutine which did that, but paused after X cycles and started back up on the next screen frame. I think I did 100 cycles per OnUpdate and didn't see a performance hit. Took a few minute to run though. |
| 09:34.59 | batrick | pairs shouldn't cause a d/c if you are simply incrementing a variable |
| 09:35.02 | batrick | might pause |
| 09:35.08 | Neffykins | 30000 entries? It will |
| 09:35.17 | Neffykins | It did when I initially tried it and every time I have |
| 09:35.24 | batrick | that's interesting |
| 09:35.40 | Neffykins | Each iteration is another function call (iterator function). Remember that. |
| 09:35.45 | Neffykins | 30000 function calls is a hit |
| 09:37.10 | batrick | I can't believe that |
| 09:37.17 | batrick | !lua t = {} for i = 1, 30000 do t[i..".1"] = i end |
| 09:37.20 | batrick | !lua local k,n = os.clock(),0; for k in pairs(t) do n = n+1 end print(n) |
| 09:37.20 | batbot | batrick: 30000 |
| 09:37.31 | batrick | damn it |
| 09:37.42 | batrick | !lua local k,n = os.clock(),0; for k in pairs(t) do n = n+1 end print(n, os.clock()-k) |
| 09:37.43 | batbot | batrick: 30000 0.01 |
| 09:38.11 | batrick | It shouldn't cause you to D/C... |
| 09:38.30 | Neffykins | t? |
| 09:39.03 | Neffykins | local t={}; for i=1,30000 do t[i]=true; end; for _ in pairs(t) do end; |
| 09:39.06 | batrick | C callouts are quite fast. I don't see how you can take more than a second to see the number of variables. |
| 09:39.10 | Neffykins | !lua local t={}; for i=1,30000 do t[i]=true; end; for _ in pairs(t) do end; |
| 09:39.27 | batrick | that won't work because you are printing t for each iteration? |
| 09:39.40 | Neffykins | What? |
| 09:39.49 | batrick | sorry nvm |
| 09:39.53 | batrick | misread something |
| 09:40.12 | batrick | !lua local t={}; for i=1,30000 do t[i]=true; end; for _ in pairs(t) do end; print'done' |
| 09:40.12 | batbot | batrick: done |
| 09:40.16 | Neffykins | Oh I misread your code. I don't know then. I remember getting DCed. |
| 09:40.18 | Neffykins | Go ahead and try it |
| 09:40.28 | batrick | i can't i don't have an active account |
| 09:41.20 | Neffykins | Well I'm wrong then. It's around 34000 on my client. |
| 09:41.29 | batrick | thank you |
| 09:41.45 | Neffykins | GetNumAddOns() => 79 |
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| 10:54.14 | jnwhiteh | Question for you guys, in the widget reference section of the book.. would you mind if I only listed the functions that are defined in that type, and listed the inherited methods elsewhere? |
| 10:55.34 | jnwhiteh | nvm, thats how I did it before. |
| 10:55.34 | jnwhiteh | so i'll just do that again. |
| 11:22.19 | Kalroth | why break what isn't fixed! |
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| 11:33.17 | foxlit | wheee. |
| 11:33.26 | foxlit | The adobe flash *installer* crashes IE8. |
| 11:33.52 | Kalroth | it knows whats best for it |
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| 11:34.22 | foxlit | but at least it has process isolation |
| 11:34.43 | foxlit | so instead of killing everything, it only kills that page. |
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| 11:40.44 | foxlit | The wonderfully ironic part of this is that I end up having to use a different browser to patch a hole in ActiveX flash. |
| 11:42.58 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
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| 12:07.33 | Fisker | roars |
| 12:07.58 | Kalroth | y so Fisker |
| 12:09.36 | Cruciformer | Fisker: Slap a man with a trout you slap him once, teach yourself how to fish and you can slap him for life :P |
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| 12:27.21 | jnwhiteh | do |T textures in font strings support texcoords? |
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| 12:30.40 | Mikk | istr seeing the answer to that being "no" |
| 12:31.01 | jnwhiteh | hrm =/ |
| 12:31.20 | Mikk | i mean - where would you input them? oO |
| 12:31.29 | jnwhiteh | in the texture string? |
| 12:31.37 | jnwhiteh | |TTexturePath:size1:size2:xoffset:yoffset|t |
| 12:31.53 | jnwhiteh | no reason they couldn't accept leftcoord:rightcoord:topcoord:botcoord |
| 12:32.11 | jnwhiteh | but its fine |
| 12:33.05 | Mikk | anyway.. don't take my word as gospel here; i just remember seeing it answered "no" |
| 12:33.13 | Mikk | (by someone in the channel) |
| 12:33.35 | Cruciformer | good lord but Basia is a truly beautiful woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1mfwY7gsQ |
| 12:33.44 | Cruciformer | (fantastic singer too) |
| 12:37.02 | Mikk | interesting style |
| 12:37.32 | Cruciformer | look for her song "Cruisin for bruisin" on youtube its both better known and a bit more indicative of her style. |
| 12:38.14 | Cruciformer | she was 1/2 of Matt Bianco along with keyboardist danny white |
| 12:38.37 | Cruciformer | very interesting mix of latin american, jazz, pop. I like her a bunch. |
| 12:39.00 | Cruciformer | (even tho I hate jazz normally, Basia is as close as I get) |
| 12:41.55 | Mikk | meh too 80s poppy |
| 12:42.01 | Mikk | cruisin' that is |
| 12:42.10 | Cruciformer | ya it was '86 or so |
| 12:42.32 | Cruciformer | she had about a 12 year hiatus and recently came out with a new album I am dying to get my hands on |
| 12:42.42 | Mikk | oho |
| 12:43.31 | Cruciformer | some of her later stuff was a ... bigger sound. More horns, bigger backing bank, and a very cool blend of her old style and more of her Polish roots. very nice stuff. |
| 12:43.44 | Cruciformer | s /bank/band/ |
| 12:44.01 | Cruciformer | pretty tho aint she? |
| 12:45.24 | Cruciformer | ah I am so close to being done with my first mod ... wrapping up the sync code this week then Im gonna unleash the little turn on the world. |
| 12:45.35 | Cruciformer | s /turn/turd/ |
| 12:46.05 | foxlit | Don't flip that switch! |
| 12:46.11 | foxlit | It'll turn self-aware and kill us all. |
| 12:46.14 | Cruciformer | Ill wait for 3.2 |
| 12:46.22 | foxlit | [what is it?] |
| 12:46.26 | Cruciformer | lol |
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| 12:46.33 | Cruciformer | I call it "Skynet" :P |
| 12:46.45 | Mikk | I always thought true evilness had to implement CORBA, LISP and XMLRPC |
| 12:46.50 | Cruciformer | just kidding ... its a suicide kings loot distribution mod |
| 12:47.04 | foxlit | Mikk: but LISP is clearly "true good" |
| 12:47.24 | Mikk | Enough ((((((((((((((((((((((( is clearly a requirement for the beginnings of self-awareness |
| 12:47.50 | foxlit | Yeah, but only someone virtuously patient would be able to make sure that all of the ))))))))))))) match. |
| 12:48.07 | Mikk | Quite |
| 12:48.08 | Cruciformer | foxlit: 2 words: parentheses matching :) |
| 12:48.24 | foxlit | Cruciformer: I feel betrayed by my text editor |
| 12:48.28 | Mikk | hehe |
| 12:48.29 | Cruciformer | which is? |
| 12:48.43 | foxlit | It didn't properly match things up in (s:match("%)") and foo or bar) |
| 12:49.00 | foxlit | textmate, at this point. |
| 12:49.21 | foxlit | It need a better language model -- current regex matching is weak. |
| 12:49.59 | Cruciformer | however vim and emacs do it work fine for me 99.5% of the time |
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| 12:50.56 | Cruciformer | btw your example matched just fine in vim :) |
| 12:51.02 | Cruciformer | sup Lopeppeppy |
| 12:51.33 | Cruciformer | foxlit: is textmate a stateful editor? |
| 12:51.39 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cruciformer. |
| 12:51.46 | foxlit | a what now? |
| 12:52.11 | Cruciformer | stateful, modal ... whatever word u like to use. Or is it always in insert mode? |
| 12:52.28 | foxlit | Neither makes sense to me. |
| 12:52.37 | Cruciformer | have you ever used vim/vi? |
| 12:52.40 | foxlit | But I'm guessing it's the latter: you can always modify the document. |
| 12:52.51 | foxlit | In my nightmares, Cruciformer, in my nightmares. |
| 12:53.12 | Arrowmaster | theres nothing wrong with vim |
| 12:53.35 | Arrowmaster | and it should be a required skill to be able to do basic tasks in vim |
| 12:53.39 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:53.45 | Cruciformer | ah you're a lost cause then :) vi is a modal editor. You are in "command" mode by default. You can change to "insert" or "replace" mode etc. Editor slike emacs, the IDE in MSVS etc, are modelss. You are always in sert mode. |
| 12:54.01 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: /agree |
| 12:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning to you too, Fisker-dear. |
| 12:54.33 | Cruciformer | god I can type I swear. |
| 12:54.42 | Arrowmaster | i wont touch gvim but i can use a basic unconfigured vim with ease |
| 12:54.48 | foxlit | So that's just "couldn't be arsed to use normal UI conventions" mode. |
| 12:55.12 | Arrowmaster | vim its a console editor |
| 12:55.14 | Arrowmaster | is |
| 12:55.19 | foxlit | [Which does of course make sense for consoles, but I'm not *using* a console.] |
| 12:55.21 | Arrowmaster | there isnt really a ui |
| 12:55.27 | Cruciformer | foxlit: considering vi was an offshoot of ex, which was designed to be used on a teletype, it makes sense. "Normal UI conventions" didnt exist. |
| 12:55.36 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: thats exactly why i wont touch gvim |
| 12:56.18 | Arrowmaster | gvim is more like using vim in a console than using a real editor with a gui |
| 12:56.35 | Cruciformer | I use gvim on windows only, normal vim in an xterm on a $DISPLAY or normal vim on a $TTY |
| 12:56.47 | foxlit | But, in short, the distinction doesn't actually make sense for editors running with a GUI? |
| 12:57.14 | foxlit | Since anything but text editing might as well be implemented through menus / toolbars / hotkeys / dialogs. |
| 12:57.16 | Cruciformer | foxlit: It still does IMHO. Its a powerful paradigm that isnt only useful on a console. |
| 12:58.00 | Cruciformer | foxlit: I hate any editor that forces me to change my input ethic. If I am using a keyboard I better be able to do everything I want from a keyboard, not have to navigate dialogs and wizards to do simple shit like search and replace. |
| 12:58.42 | foxlit | You mean you're offended by CTRL+F -> type phrase -> hit ENTER? |
| 12:58.57 | Arrowmaster | personally, when i get the damn case back from RMA and can build the new system i have parts all around me for, im going to make an effort to learn and use emacs, seems like the most powerful editor with a gui i can stand to use |
| 12:59.31 | Mikk | i detest clicking also |
| 12:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | I like pie. |
| 12:59.38 | Mikk | so i learn the keyboard shortcuts |
| 12:59.41 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 12:59.52 | Cruciformer | foxlit: If that was a universall thing it would be tolerable, but when I need to move to a mouse to change options like case matching, forwards/reverse searching or anything more complex, it irritates me |
| 13:00.16 | Mikk | that's what Alt+key is for :> |
| 13:00.29 | Mikk | XP & on just hide the shortcuts by default |
| 13:00.32 | Mikk | grumbles |
| 13:00.34 | foxlit | There are shortcuts upon shorcuts, really. |
| 13:00.51 | Cruciformer | Mikk: Agreed but every app has a different letter for the various bits. |
| 13:00.56 | Arrowmaster | and yet everything with vi style keybinding does searching so wel |
| 13:00.57 | Arrowmaster | well |
| 13:01.16 | foxlit | You're only really using one text editor. |
| 13:02.13 | foxlit | And I somewhat prefer occasionally clicking on GUI elements to having to overly commit to a particular interaction style. To each his own, of course. |
| 13:02.27 | Cruciformer | anyway I am not proseltyzing(sp?) ... use whatever makes you comfortable. your debugger and your editor should eb reflexive. If they hinder you they are the wrong ones. if they dont they are the right ones. |
| 13:02.28 | batbot | Cruciformer, nothing found. |
| 13:03.15 | Cruciformer | thats a bitch of a word to spell |
| 13:03.20 | Arrowmaster | i prefer having gui menus available so i can find things to do without remembering a) they exist and b) a keybinding for it |
| 13:04.02 | Mikk | gvim under X does tbfh |
| 13:04.18 | Mikk | but the vi style of editing still hurts my brain for long typing |
| 13:04.26 | Arrowmaster | ive tried gvim on windows and fucking hated the menus |
| 13:04.30 | Mikk | yeah i use it for quick admin scripting stuff under unix |
| 13:04.31 | Cruciformer | pros·e·ly·tiz·ing |
| 13:04.34 | Cruciformer | there we go |
| 13:04.56 | Mikk | can we just agree that each to his own? =) |
| 13:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | I also like ice cream. |
| 13:05.12 | Arrowmaster | when havent we agreed on that? |
| 13:05.13 | Cruciformer | ya I didnt mean to start a $EDITOR war :) |
| 13:05.29 | Arrowmaster | sec i have to go find a quote |
| 13:05.33 | Mikk | Lopeppeppy makes an excellent point |
| 13:05.46 | Cruciformer | I like ice cream WITH pie |
| 13:05.59 | Arrowmaster | from #linux on another network |
| 13:06.00 | Mikk | Nowai, needs chocolate |
| 13:06.01 | Arrowmaster | <@vi> Well, i'm using emacs almost exclusively. |
| 13:06.12 | Cruciformer | esp if its a nice hot pecan pie with yummy hagen daz icecream (vanilla bean of course) |
| 13:06.18 | Pneumatus | irony: not lost on him |
| 13:06.23 | Mikk | hehe |
| 13:06.34 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: that vi from #unix? |
| 13:06.52 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 13:11.26 | Cruciformer | dont you just love it when you are scanning over code looking for something else, and your eye spots a bug in code you last tested months ago? |
| 13:12.24 | Arrowmaster | i found a bug in aceconsole-2.0 that didnt make any sense, fixing the bug broke the library |
| 13:12.45 | foxlit | I wouldn't trust your scanning eye on this |
| 13:13.03 | Cruciformer | foxlit: me or Arrowmaster? |
| 13:13.10 | foxlit | me, really. |
| 13:14.10 | foxlit | There's all sorts of contextual crap that might be relevant but not be picked up while scrolling through things; while any "obvious" errors shouldn't be there in the first place. |
| 13:14.11 | Cruciformer | my dad had a really interesting approach to proofreading that I sometimes try to apply to code, but tis difficult: read everything backwards. |
| 13:14.27 | Cruciformer | that way you dont read what you expect to see, but whats really there. |
| 13:14.41 | Arrowmaster | thats a standard way to proofread written works |
| 13:14.45 | foxlit | Splitting on what -- words? sentences? |
| 13:14.53 | Arrowmaster | words |
| 13:14.59 | foxlit | yowch. |
| 13:15.15 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: yeah this was written (or typed) stuff. |
| 13:16.14 | Arrowmaster | as you read a document youll end up skiping right over misspellings or sometimes even missing or incorrect words because you know what its suppost to be as you read it |
| 13:16.40 | Arrowmaster | so if you read it backwards your mind doesnt play fill in the blank automatically for you |
| 13:17.08 | Arrowmaster | i dont see how it could work for programming though |
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| 13:18.23 | Kraps | shady's back, tell some men |
| 13:20.03 | Arrowmaster | well its going on 9:20am, i should get some sleep |
| 13:20.32 | Kraps | up all night? |
| 13:20.41 | Arrowmaster | im always up all night |
| 13:20.49 | Kraps | why? |
| 13:21.08 | Arrowmaster | because i like it that way |
| 13:21.32 | Kraps | thrilling tale chap |
| 13:23.21 | Kraps | just what i was looking for http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18971778217&sid=1 |
| 13:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | ... that's so much drivel as to be worthy of a darwin award. |
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| 13:27.56 | Cruciformer | anyone here in trance/dance/electronica and heard of Blank&Jones? |
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| 13:29.59 | Neffykins | Does the elapsed argument passed to OnUpdates get calculated per OnUpdate function or per screen frame? |
| 13:31.37 | Cruciformer | Neffykins: How is "per onupdate function" different from "per screen frame"? |
| 13:31.58 | Cruciformer | OnUpdate can only be attached to frames, and a frame can only have one OnUpdate script. |
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| 13:40.23 | Neffykins | Screen frame, not frame |
| 13:41.17 | Neffykins | OnUpdate happens every screen frame. If my frame is the last to get its OnUpdate called and the previous OnUpdates cause, say, a 1 sec delay, will I see inaccuracies with my elapsed arg |
| 13:41.23 | Neffykins | I already tested and you apparently do |
| 13:41.35 | Neffykins | It's only calculated per screen frame |
| 13:42.34 | Kraps | "Blizz put a lockout on all druid abilities and spells, including shifting, for like 3 seconds after a druid shifted. It was removed less than 24 hours later. " |
| 13:42.40 | Kraps | wow |
| 13:43.10 | Neffykins | When was this? |
| 13:43.16 | Kraps | reading a pre-tbc thread |
| 13:43.26 | Neffykins | I don't recall that happening |
| 13:43.49 | Kraps | people here are going back to beta |
| 13:44.42 | Neffykins | WoW sucked back then |
| 13:45.07 | Kraps | no shit |
| 13:45.26 | Cruciformer | that would have put a spanner in the powershifting works |
| 13:45.31 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a higher level warlock? |
| 13:45.39 | jnwhiteh | or one that can drain life, actually is all i need |
| 13:45.46 | Neffykins | Yeah, why? |
| 13:45.54 | jnwhiteh | want to know what events fire when you do damage with it |
| 13:46.05 | jnwhiteh | i.e. does SPELL_DAMAGE fire in addition to SPELL_LEECH? |
| 13:46.07 | Neffykins | Oh I don't have him anymore, so I can't test |
| 13:46.13 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 13:46.25 | Neffykins | What's the size of a number in Lua? |
| 13:46.37 | Neffykins | The memory consumption, that is |
| 13:46.48 | Kraps | 8 debuff limit? O-o |
| 13:46.54 | Kraps | O_o |
| 13:47.16 | Neffykins | Crazy kids and your high debuff limits. Spoiled, the lot of yah. |
| 13:47.23 | Neffykins | In my day we had to make food for the raid one by one |
| 13:47.28 | Neffykins | And we summoned one by one too |
| 13:47.35 | Neffykins | A shard each |
| 13:48.06 | Cruciformer | and you walked to raid, both ways uphill, in teh snow, with no shoes? |
| 13:48.17 | Neffykins | Well actually yes |
| 13:48.37 | Neffykins | On one occasion at least I was in a raid while walking through Winterspring in the nude |
| 13:49.54 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 13:50.24 | Neffykins | Peppy, you know how much RAM a number consumes? |
| 13:50.34 | Neffykins | n=100; What's the size of n? |
| 13:50.55 | Cruciformer | lol @ winamp. Just played a tune by Bush (the chemicals between us) and in the window at the bottom the second picture is a picture of George W |
| 13:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | Um, no, I don't know about RAMs. I only know how many cookies a toddler can consume in one minute. |
| 13:51.38 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: so? |
| 13:51.53 | Kraps | how many? |
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| 13:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | Infinity, minus the number that the adults snatch out of reach. |
| 13:52.19 | Kraps | ah |
| 13:53.03 | Cruciformer | i.e still infinity coz infinity minus any number other than infinity is still infinity right? :) |
| 13:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | These are toddlers, I never care to underestimate their abilty to vacuum in foods that are bad for them. :) |
| 13:53.55 | Cruciformer | esp ones with large quantities of sugar to ensure you get NO sleep |
| 13:54.41 | Gotai | jnwhiteh, it seems to fire SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE for the damage followed by SPELL_HEAL for the life gained. |
| 13:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | Kids are great magicians. |
| 13:54.55 | jnwhiteh | thanks Gotai |
| 13:54.58 | jnwhiteh | wonder when LEECH fires then =) |
| 13:56.21 | Kraps | apparently i like melee classes better |
| 13:57.10 | Kraps | until i get bored of leveling |
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| 14:01.24 | alestane | I just a very random thought: Does anyone know if :HookScript or hooksecurefunc can cause the time spent in the original hooked function to be attributed to the hooking add-on? |
| 14:04.28 | Neffykins | !lua local s={}; for k in pairs(_G) do s[#s+1]=k; end; s=table.concat(s,', '); print(s); |
| 14:04.28 | batbot | Neffykins: a, string, xpcall, b, tostring, _VERSION, f, lpeg, os, unpack, getfenv, q, p, debug, next, assert, tonumber, io, rawequal, collectgarbage, arena, getmetatable, Drot13, _G, abc, test, t, _table, pairs, math, g, pcall, re, coroutine, type, t...(tldr) |
| 14:04.41 | Neffykins | !lua print(_VERSION) |
| 14:04.41 | batbot | Neffykins: Lua 5.1 |
| 14:05.03 | alestane | You can PM most of the bots. |
| 14:05.05 | Neffykins | There's no backwards-equivalent of "next"? |
| 14:05.10 | Neffykins | I didn't know the bot's name, sorry |
| 14:05.35 | alestane | You cannot back-traverse a table, no, it's effectively a singly-linked list. |
| 14:05.56 | alestane | You generally don't need to, though. |
| 14:06.08 | Neffykins | I may be too tired to be doing this but I think I need to |
| 14:06.33 | Neffykins | I want to keep a linked list of shit, but I need to be able to reference each element in the list, so I want to store them in a hash also |
| 14:06.36 | alestane | Depends what you're doing, but there's probably an alternative. |
| 14:06.47 | Neffykins | I need to get the last element in the linked list to link new elements |
| 14:07.04 | Neffykins | I'm drawing a "duh" right now so I'm probably too tired to figure it out |
| 14:07.32 | alestane | Is the order in the list important? |
| 14:08.09 | Neffykins | No, just being able to reference each element and remove them at will |
| 14:08.27 | Neffykins | I guess without a prev() i can't relink it once I remove? |
| 14:09.41 | alestane | If the order is important, than why not add new elements at the front? |
| 14:10.00 | alestane | Also, how are you implementing your list? |
| 14:10.09 | Neffykins | Right, I'm thinking in terms of arrays here |
| 14:10.30 | Neffykins | elements = { ..., nextelement = some_other_element }; |
| 14:10.33 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.46 | Cruciformer | also remember that table.remove returns the element just removed so if you wanted to reinsert it somewhere you could adjust the members of the return and reinsert it |
| 14:10.58 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.spike.com/blog/how-to-make-girls/84496 |
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| 14:11.12 | Neffykins | Basically I want to make a rudimentary timer library for a set of addons I'm making for myself, and I want to use a linked list for running repeating timers |
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| 14:11.50 | Neffykins | Can't be an array, 'cause I need to be able to cancel the timer (reference its object by an ID, which isn't static in arrays obviously) |
| 14:12.05 | Cruciformer | why a linked list and not a normal table? what does a linked list buy you? |
| 14:12.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/changelog \o/ |
| 14:12.31 | Neffykins | Wouldn't it be more efficient to traverse a linked list than call pairs()? |
| 14:12.49 | Neffykins | pairs() involves a lot of function calls, linked lists are table indexes |
| 14:13.23 | Cruciformer | I highly doubt you need to worry about the speed of pairs(). If you think you do you are probably mistaken. |
| 14:13.33 | alestane | pairs() involves one call to next() per entry, which is implemented in C and fairly fast. |
| 14:13.55 | Neffykins | I probably don't. I just wanted to be a bit more creative I guess. |
| 14:14.14 | Neffykins | Doesn't pairs() return an interator function just like any Lua-written iterator? |
| 14:14.29 | alestane | There might be reasons to structure something as a linked-list in Lua, but performance probably isn't one of them. |
| 14:14.38 | alestane | It does, and that iterator is next. |
| 14:14.58 | alestane | pairs(t) returns next, t, nil. |
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| 14:22.46 | Cruciformer | Neffykins: you sure you are not re-inventing AceTimer? |
| 14:23.03 | Neffykins | I might be. I'm not planning to use Ace though. |
| 14:23.25 | Neffykins | I specifically want to write it all by myself for several purposes -- learning among them |
| 14:23.37 | Cruciformer | nonetheless, looking at how they d things could be educational |
| 14:23.46 | Neffykins | I'll look into it, thanks |
| 14:24.43 | Lopeppeppy | Reading through the code that someone else has created sometimes does wonders for helping you understand ideas, so you can then go re-invent the wheel in your own code! |
| 14:24.59 | Cruciformer | amen to that |
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| 14:31.07 | dardack | i third the amen to that |
| 14:39.26 | alestane | Anyone recommend any alternatives to Performance_fu? |
| 14:41.37 | durcyn | alestane: picofps |
| 14:42.04 | alestane | Will it tell me the amount of usage being taken up by a specific add-on? |
| 14:43.42 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12461-Broker_CPUMemoryPerformance.html |
| 14:44.34 | alestane | Then I would just have to go get an LDB display of some kind? |
| 14:44.44 | Lopeppeppy | yeah. Most of the ones I'm finding require that now. |
| 14:44.48 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12126-Broker_Memory.html |
| 14:44.56 | durcyn | alestane: yes |
| 14:45.00 | Lopeppeppy | I use.. DataText something... |
| 14:45.51 | Jelly_ | tickles alestane! |
| 14:45.55 | Jelly_ | ~sigh |
| 14:45.56 | purl | *sigh* |
| 14:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | SLDataText, it has a module for memory usage. |
| 14:45.56 | alestane | Eep! |
| 14:46.06 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8539-SLDataText.html |
| 14:48.39 | kd3 | yay, the shuttle's safely back on earth. |
| 14:49.17 | Ackis | darn I was hoping there'd be aliens! |
| 14:49.50 | Ackis | anal probes kd3 |
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| 14:51.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you are a bad man. |
| 14:51.21 | durcyn | wow. team fortress / band of brothers crossover is amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-9Hjvb92ps |
| 14:52.01 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: watch out, do you want to get probed too? :P |
| 14:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, today is not a good day! My kitty and my daddy are both having operations. *serious nod* I has no funny. |
| 14:53.13 | |Jelly| | huggles Peppy! |
| 14:53.21 | Ackis | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:53.30 | Ackis | sends prayers off to both |
| 14:53.51 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks. Stress is stressy! |
| 14:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Jelly. |
| 14:55.40 | |Jelly| | punches stress in the nose! |
| 14:55.43 | |Jelly| | There ya go! |
| 14:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, that's sweet of you, Jelly! |
| 14:58.47 | Kraps | can a dk in dps gear tank regular northrend instances? |
| 14:58.48 | |Jelly| | YUS! Bonus points for me! |
| 14:58.53 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:59.00 | |Jelly| | I tank heroics in my dps gear/spec. |
| 14:59.20 | |Jelly| | It's mostly based on the healer, because you're obviously going to take a lot of damage. |
| 15:01.20 | mikma | kraps: yes. |
| 15:12.29 | Shirik|zZz | .... |
| 15:12.34 | Shirik|zZz | Looking at changes to a file |
| 15:12.39 | |Jelly| | tackles Shirik. |
| 15:12.50 | Shirik|zZz | Comment on the first line: # Do not define this. |
| 15:12.55 | Shirik|zZz | Change on the second line: |
| 15:13.00 | Shirik|zZz | -#TRUSTED_LYNXCGI:none |
| 15:13.00 | Shirik|zZz | +TRUSTED_LYNXCGI:none |
| 15:17.31 | Shirik|zZz | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 15:18.10 | |Jelly| | slaps Shirik's hands! Peppy is mine! |
| 15:18.14 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:18.25 | |Jelly| | :P |
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| 15:22.23 | Thunder_Child | how the hell do you fit 2 285's in a lan box? |
| 15:22.56 | Neffykins | You don't? |
| 15:23.21 | Thunder_Child | falcon did |
| 15:23.33 | Thunder_Child | and i cant quite figure out hoq |
| 15:23.37 | Thunder_Child | how* |
| 15:28.45 | Shirik | ... tiff files are huge |
| 15:29.13 | Shirik | what's another file format that isn't lossy and should be openable by most people's computers |
| 15:29.41 | Shirik | or should I give up and go JPEG |
| 15:29.47 | kd3 | pngs? |
| 15:30.21 | Shirik | Lightroom seems to refuse toe export to PNG |
| 15:30.44 | kd3 | there's a lossless jpeg format apparently, but I dunno much about it |
| 15:31.32 | Shirik | I guess you could do it if you had a really stupid (read: non-existent) compression algorithm |
| 15:33.05 | kd3 | tiffs can be lossless too, but that's just a container format |
| 15:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | tifs stink. |
| 15:33.42 | Codayus_ | There are lossless JPEG variants, but support is spotty. OpenEXR is an excellent format, but support is limited outside the professional world. PNG is good and ubiquitous, but if Lightoom doesn't like it...meh. |
| 15:35.13 | Neffykins | Doesn't support PNG but support TIFF? That's kinda strange |
| 15:35.23 | theorbtwo | Output as tiff, then convert the tiff to png using something sane. |
| 15:35.40 | theorbtwo | ...or just accept loss, and save as jepg. |
| 15:35.47 | theorbtwo | s/ep/pe/ |
| 15:36.07 | theorbtwo | Oh, hell, you knew what I meant. |
| 15:37.31 | Codayus_ | Anyhow, TIFF is a perfectly fine format, but...there's a LOT of variations. Just because it's a valid tiff doesn't mean that any arbitrary application can actually read the stupid thing. :-/ |
| 15:38.15 | theorbtwo | PNG is a great spec, with pretty near 100% market penetration. |
| 15:38.27 | theorbtwo | That lightroom doesn't support it is *terribly* obscure. |
| 15:38.35 | theorbtwo | If it supports plugins, look for a plugin that does it? |
| 15:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | I like png, except it tends to be larger in size than gif or jpg, in terms of posting images on the web. |
| 15:39.35 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf pwm |
| 15:39.39 | durcyn | real men use gif89a anyway |
| 15:40.22 | alestane | PNG is good for images that don't have a lot of fine gradation; JPG is still usually better for these images. PNG is also not always optimized as much as it can be, I think. |
| 15:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | gif tends to work better for me for images that include text, like the navigation buttons we create. |
| 15:41.00 | Codayus_ | In general, I'd recommend picking a format to work in, and another format for delivery. Using the same format for both is easier, but usually suboptimal. (Especially if you need, say, floating point color depth, or more than 8 bits per channel. Not an issue here, I'm assuming.) |
| 15:41.16 | theorbtwo | A properly optimized png will generally be smaller then gif, for the same information. |
| 15:41.51 | theorbtwo | Note that gifs have old-school pallate and color depth limitations, and pngs dont. |
| 15:42.07 | theorbtwo | The difference might be because you aren't saving as a compressed png, or it might be bcause the png is saving more color definition. |
| 15:42.08 | Codayus_ | There are some tools and libraries around that improve png compression a LOT, if you need it for some reason. Um... PNG crunch, I think is the name of one? |
| 15:45.30 | Codayus_ | Hm, I think I meant pngcrush. *shrug* Not an area of interest. |
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| 15:46.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, all of my posted images are in jpeg |
| 15:47.32 | theorbtwo | Codayus_: Yes, pngcrush. |
| 15:47.44 | mikma | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/antonio-love-ala-police-u_n_246081.html |
| 15:47.49 | theorbtwo | Lots of tools save pretty much uncompressed png. |
| 15:50.28 | mikma | [18:46:51] [Hellodolly] Chaos Bolt hit [Wintergrasp Siege Engine] 17619 Fire. (Critical) |
| 15:50.31 | mikma | pew? |
| 15:50.49 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:51.16 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:51.17 | mikma | is ignoring you. |
| 15:51.41 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:52.47 | Fisker | you're always ignoring me mikma |
| 15:53.06 | mikma | that's cause i like alliance, and i hate trolls |
| 15:53.18 | Fisker | <-blood elf |
| 15:56.21 | Ackis | <-- troll |
| 15:56.24 | Ackis | ex-troll |
| 15:56.43 | durcyn | sex-troll more like |
| 15:57.50 | Lunessa | More like "future convicted offender" |
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| 16:00.21 | Kraps | <-- human |
| 16:00.28 | Kraps | always |
| 16:00.44 | Kraps | excepr for druid and shaman |
| 16:01.16 | mikma | well well, i got gnome, nelf, draenei, and belf at lvl80 |
| 16:01.20 | mikma | gnome is the alltime favorite |
| 16:02.12 | Kraps | "What's your favorite Arnold Schwarsonnegar (?) movie?" |
| 16:02.23 | Kraps | yes "?" |
| 16:02.24 | mikma | around the world in 80 days |
| 16:02.33 | Vonhinten | Total Recall |
| 16:03.01 | Aqua | terrible movie |
| 16:03.12 | Vonhinten | You're nuts |
| 16:03.17 | mikma | yes he is |
| 16:03.17 | Vonhinten | That movie is awesome |
| 16:03.22 | mikma | i got total recall on dvd |
| 16:03.33 | Elkano | True Lies |
| 16:03.33 | mikma | maybe i should put it on now... thanks vonhinten |
| 16:03.39 | mikma | got that one also :D |
| 16:03.41 | Vonhinten | Most welcome |
| 16:03.45 | Aqua | well it was a lot better until you watch the directors comments |
| 16:03.57 | Lunessa | Kindergarten Cop. |
| 16:03.57 | mikma | well good, then i wont |
| 16:04.03 | Vonhinten | eraser |
| 16:04.09 | Aqua | I accidentally watch them with VLC and it ruined the movie for me |
| 16:04.11 | Vonhinten | 6th day, commando, running man... |
| 16:04.11 | Kraps | Q&A: Crusadersâ Coliseum and Isle of Conquest |
| 16:04.17 | mikma | wife loves kindergarden cop and twins ^^ |
| 16:04.41 | Vonhinten | Yeur not genetic garbidge! |
| 16:06.12 | Vonhinten | can't forget the terminator series |
| 16:06.19 | Vonhinten | (minus 4) |
| 16:07.25 | Vonhinten | There's only a small handfull of arnold movies I don't have on DVD |
| 16:07.31 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/617/ - at least he made a booze joke out of it. |
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| 16:09.41 | _rane | bah, isn't it possible to filter debuffs in pitbull "exclusively"? |
| 16:09.59 | _rane | if you turn debuff filtering on you have to specify every buff you want to see |
| 16:10.00 | mikma | vonhinten: oh, there's pixel arnold in t4 :D |
| 16:10.10 | Vonhinten | doesn't count |
| 16:10.47 | mikma | just a question. why in the hell do they always stick that helen somethin carter somethin in the screen |
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| 16:11.22 | Vonhinten | helena bonnom carter? She's awesome |
| 16:11.38 | mikma | i don't like her :P |
| 16:12.07 | Vonhinten | I think she's a great actress... watch Sweeny Todd |
| 16:12.14 | mikma | she is great actress |
| 16:12.15 | Lopeppeppy | Love her filthy victorian look |
| 16:12.25 | mikma | but there's something in her face that ... |
| 16:12.36 | mikma | or watch big fish ^^ |
| 16:12.41 | alestane | mikma: She's also Tim Burton's girlfriend and Johnny Depp's ex-girlfriend, so even if she weren't pretty good, she'd have an easy time getting auditions. |
| 16:12.45 | Vonhinten | or Fight Club |
| 16:12.50 | Vonhinten | or Novocaine |
| 16:13.13 | Lunessa | She's awesome. |
| 16:13.14 | mikma | oh, fight club. still need to buy the uncut version |
| 16:13.22 | Lunessa | And a little scary. |
| 16:13.26 | Lunessa | And awesome. |
| 16:13.31 | Lunessa | And a little hot. |
| 16:13.35 | Lunessa | And scary. |
| 16:13.38 | Lunessa | But awesome. |
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| 16:25.00 | Lunessa | Ok, office mate left one of his cell phones in the office - he's out today. This would be fine if one of his ring tones wasn't Bolero. |
| 16:25.15 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 16:25.35 | Cruciformer | could be worse, could have been "Baby got back" |
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| 16:26.10 | anesthesia | can paladins at lvl 49 use swords or polearms? |
| 16:26.14 | Lunessa | Or "Mmmm Bop" |
| 16:26.21 | foxlit | weapon skills don't have level requirements |
| 16:26.26 | Cruciformer | my personal and only ringtomne I ever use is "old phone" (at least thats what its called onteh iphone) |
| 16:26.28 | Lunessa | anesthesia: Yes, they can use both. |
| 16:26.33 | anesthesia | oh wow! |
| 16:26.35 | anesthesia | thanks |
| 16:26.43 | anesthesia | i thought they were limiteD? |
| 16:27.01 | Cruciformer | for some classes they are I believe. |
| 16:27.07 | anesthesia | But not paladins? |
| 16:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Pallies can't use daggers, but we can use polearms. |
| 16:27.18 | Cruciformer | let me find the page on wowwiki |
| 16:27.20 | anesthesia | thanks!!!!!! |
| 16:27.24 | _rane | ckknight: I think PitBull needs a feature to filter buffs in a way other than the current one, let me explain: I'd like to get rid of Argent Tournament's "Bested of Ironforge" etc. buffs, but in order to that, I'd have to turn on the debuff filtering which requires me to explicitly specify every debuff I'd like to see which is not very convenient |
| 16:27.37 | foxlit | It's on a per-class, rather than per-level, basis. |
| 16:27.52 | ckknight | _rane: which version of pitbull are you using? |
| 16:27.54 | Lunessa | Polearms can be learned at level 20 |
| 16:28.05 | anesthesia | learned? how do i learn it? |
| 16:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | Go to an arms trainer in a major city |
| 16:28.19 | Cruciformer | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_proficiencies |
| 16:28.21 | anesthesia | oh ok then |
| 16:28.28 | Lopeppeppy | I think the guy in Stormwind does the polearms, but you can ask any arms trainer about the others. |
| 16:28.39 | Cruciformer | so according to that applys can only learn polearms at level 20 |
| 16:29.37 | foxlit | was wrong. |
| 16:29.41 | foxlit | Hah. |
| 16:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | That may have changed with other leveling changes that were made. But who knows. |
| 16:30.06 | Cruciformer | not so much WRONG as non-optimally correct :) |
| 16:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | Not a lot of polearms in the game at that level anyway. |
| 16:30.21 | anesthesia | I found a wonderful one i just bought for 50g! |
| 16:30.34 | _rane | ckknight: 3.2.11 |
| 16:30.38 | anesthesia | http://thottbot.com/?i=9656 |
| 16:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | 50g for a weapon at level 20? Twink! |
| 16:30.46 | ckknight | _rane: wanna try out PitBull4? |
| 16:30.50 | Cruciformer | level 49 |
| 16:30.50 | ckknight | @project pitbull4 |
| 16:30.52 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/. PitBull Unit Frames 4.0. Game: WoW. ckknight (Manager/Author), Shefki (Author), vangual (Author), Stanzilla (Ticket Manager). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 136/533 |
| 16:30.53 | foxlit | Moral of the story is that I've never been staring at a trainer thinking "wow, I wish I could learn *that*" but couldn't because of my level |
| 16:31.07 | anesthesia | Is this good? http://thottbot.com/?i=9656 |
| 16:31.14 | anesthesia | I bought it for 50g |
| 16:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | Spirit does nothing for a paladin. |
| 16:31.34 | anesthesia | whats spirit do? |
| 16:31.35 | Lopeppeppy | The rest of the stats are okay if you're ret or prot, I guess. |
| 16:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Spirit helps with mana regeneration for other casting classes. Paladins don't have the same mechanics, it helps us very little to "not at all". |
| 16:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm honestly not sure from the stats *what* class they intend to use Stoneraven. |
| 16:32.31 | Lunessa | It doesn't suck - I use one on my lowbie druid for feral stats. |
| 16:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | Unless hunters benefit from spirit in some way? |
| 16:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, druids, I forgetted. |
| 16:32.58 | Cruciformer | *gasp* thou shalt NOT forgetted the dr00ds! |
| 16:33.01 | Shirik__ | hai |
| 16:33.05 | anesthesia | ok, yall...gotta go! |
| 16:33.12 | Lopeppeppy | I has not the droood of high level. |
| 16:33.14 | anesthesia | do yall know the room for auctioneer? like nannagon or something? |
| 16:33.25 | Lunessa | Druids couldn't use polearms until very recently - but that's a "vanilla" item, when EVERYTHING had spirit on it. |
| 16:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | True, Lunessa, it's an old-school item. |
| 16:33.49 | Lopeppeppy | Spirit never harms, but it has varying values to varying classes. |
| 16:33.56 | Lopeppeppy | A melee mage would love that polearm! *laugh* |
| 16:34.34 | foxlit | vanilla people were very... high-spirited? |
| 16:34.34 | anesthesia | do yall know the auctioneer channel? |
| 16:34.47 | _rane | ckknight: I assume it won't fiddle with my PitBull3 configs? |
| 16:35.03 | ckknight | _rane: correct, it uses different SVs, so if you want to go back, you can |
| 16:35.09 | ckknight | just don't run both at the same time, it'll look funky |
| 16:35.22 | foxlit | Out of interest, how's minion doing? |
| 16:36.20 | foxlit | I'd check the bug tracker, but I'm too lazy to sign up to view content. |
| 16:36.34 | Lunessa | This is going to be a long day.... First the phone that keeps ringing, and now his UPS is malfunctioning. |
| 16:37.04 | Lopeppeppy | a bad UPS makes for a bad day. |
| 16:38.00 | nevcairiel | only if the power fails, too! |
| 16:38.25 | Qzot | Yah. I hate it when UPS leaves my power at the front door without even ringing the doorbell. |
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| 16:38.29 | Lopeppeppy | With their heat, I bet brownouts are stressing the UPSes. |
| 16:38.38 | Lunessa | To hell with it.. I shut his equipment down and rebooted the server. |
| 16:38.48 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 16:39.06 | Cruciformer | now put his phone on vibrate and you're set |
| 16:39.33 | Lunessa | password locked. |
| 16:39.44 | Cruciformer | remove battery ftw |
| 16:40.27 | Lopeppeppy | Hammer makes lovely vibrations of any item. |
| 16:40.27 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: suitably good hammer finds resonating frequency of anything *evil grin* |
| 16:41.35 | Qzot | And as suitably good vibrator leaves you feeling ham ... better not say that. |
| 16:45.35 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey. |
| 16:46.59 | _rane | ckknight: so far I like it, although it will probably take some time to get it how it was |
| 16:47.53 | _rane | it's weird though, aura modules advanced filtering tab has huge amount of layouts but only 2 or 4 of them are usable in unit frame layouts |
| 16:48.25 | _rane | I even made a custom filter but it won't be shown |
| 16:51.15 | _rane | oh wait, I just misunderstood something |
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| 16:57.01 | Lunessa | Actual call for help "Excel won't let me e-mail these things withe the little black dots." |
| 16:58.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | This is a stunningly awesome picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinkraemer/3764724478/in/pool-seattlest |
| 16:58.54 | _rane | I'd like to see it in full size |
| 16:58.57 | Lunessa | I wonder what kind of lens filter he had on that camera. |
| 16:59.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | _rane: click 'all sizes', then 'original' :P |
| 16:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | And how much it's photoshopped. |
| 16:59.55 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i seriously doubt its shopped |
| 17:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | Really? |
| 17:00.05 | _rane | NightHawkTheSan1: I don't see "all sizes" anywhre |
| 17:00.16 | Cruciformer | looks almost rendered |
| 17:00.16 | _rane | I know flickr used to have button like that |
| 17:00.23 | NightHawkTheSan1 | *shrug8 maybe you have to be logged in |
| 17:00.27 | Lopeppeppy | exactly, Cruciformer. |
| 17:01.10 | _rane | NightHawkTheSan1: http://rubyurl.com/yUsp |
| 17:01.37 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah, i guess you have to be logged in to see other sizes. |
| 17:01.52 | Lunessa | Yeah, I suspect that he a) used a filter on the lens b) processed the film in a way to make the image colors more intense, and c) Photoshopped it some. |
| 17:02.13 | Cruciformer | pretty wide angle tho |
| 17:02.58 | Cruciformer | the thing that makes me think its rendered is the scoreboard and the patterns on the grass on the field. |
| 17:03.27 | NightHawkTheSan1 | er, the patterns from how they mow the grass? |
| 17:03.39 | Cruciformer | yes |
| 17:03.41 | Lunessa | And the neon pink shirts? |
| 17:03.46 | Kraps | what does red on the inner bezel of a player portrait mean? |
| 17:03.57 | Cruciformer | the shirts could be simple oversaturation if it was a real photo |
| 17:04.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah, looking at the neon pink shirts i think indicate boosted saturation |
| 17:04.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the picture itself is real, no doubt, though |
| 17:05.41 | Cruciformer | dunno. my kneejerk was "rendered: and Im gonna stick with it. cant quite put my finger on why tho it just "feels" that way. |
| 17:05.51 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you're wrong. :) |
| 17:06.02 | Cruciformer | wouldnt be the first time :) |
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| 17:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | The picture I don't doubt is real. The neon of the shirt and the crispness of the lines lead me to feel Photoshop involvement. |
| 17:07.30 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah, i hadn't noticed the shirts at first, was looking more at the background. (The framing of the shot with the seattle skyline is awesome) |
| 17:07.32 | Cruciformer | real, rendered or massively post-processed its still a nice image |
| 17:08.48 | Lunessa | Kraps: Threat. |
| 17:09.38 | Kraps | Isnt that the outside redness? |
| 17:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | The most famous photograph of the three pyramids is a fake, they can't line up that way. Fake /= bad. |
| 17:11.07 | Lunessa | malreth is a pretty good amateur photographer. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/ |
| 17:11.49 | malreth | i'm also a lazy photographer |
| 17:12.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | unrelated: forecasts of overcast skies and mid-80s highs make me giddy |
| 17:12.27 | Cruciformer | likwe that shot of the guard mid-step. thats cool. |
| 17:13.32 | malreth | Lunessa: i took some iphone photos from last night of the band that Thomas is in |
| 17:13.44 | Lunessa | You posted them yet? |
| 17:13.48 | Kraps | Lunessa: see my question |
| 17:14.18 | Lunessa | Kraps: Make a screenie - I'm obviously not understanding your question. :( |
| 17:14.40 | malreth | Lunessa: http://twitpic.com/c7qhx |
| 17:14.58 | malreth | unfortunately, thomas is in the back with the drums |
| 17:14.59 | Kraps | ima finish the instance |
| 17:15.14 | Lunessa | I was going to say, "where's our boy?" |
| 17:15.27 | malreth | crazily enough, he did the entire set save for the last song wearing a jacket |
| 17:15.53 | Lunessa | Yeah, but Thomas is a machine. Calm, cool, collected, and drinks more than you and I put together. |
| 17:16.34 | jnwhiteh | I need to write an addon that does somethign with the combat log |
| 17:16.37 | malreth | Doryan, the front man projected crazy levels of energy |
| 17:16.40 | jnwhiteh | and ideally the threat system at the same time. |
| 17:17.12 | jnwhiteh | any suggestions? |
| 17:17.17 | NightHawkTheSan1 | jnwhiteh: write an addon that hashes combat log actions into a set of sounds, and use it to play an awesome techno beat. |
| 17:17.25 | jnwhiteh | haha =) |
| 17:17.25 | malreth | and the baton was a nice touch... he'd conduct the band during the set... manipulating them as if via puppet strings |
| 17:18.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | or... did you mean something useful? :) |
| 17:18.10 | malreth | i was kicking myself for not bringing my DSLR... |
| 17:18.13 | malreth | anyways... |
| 17:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | Lazy, but good. |
| 17:20.04 | Lunessa | His shot of me is my facebook picture. |
| 17:29.04 | Kraps | Lunessa: see by the frames of the other party members, the inner bezel is glowing red https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1086459/WoWScrnShot_073109_131456.jpg |
| 17:29.27 | Lunessa | Kraps - Unit is in combat |
| 17:29.50 | Kraps | ah |
| 17:29.55 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: can you feel the love tonight? |
| 17:30.02 | Ackis | (saw lion king last night) |
| 17:30.03 | Ackis | sup! |
| 17:33.49 | Kraps | read the chat https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1086459/WoWScrnShot_032209_103438.jpg |
| 17:35.53 | Kraps | is my ui good for a tank btw? |
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| 17:36.48 | Lunessa | Kraps: If you play that way, and it works for you, then it's good enough. |
| 17:36.57 | Aqua | ^ |
| 17:37.02 | Kraps | (zen) |
| 17:38.08 | Lunessa | http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/ - these are some layouts I've used in the past and or present. |
| 17:38.55 | Vonhinten | Any of them Hello Kitty based? |
| 17:39.02 | Vonhinten | If not, then I don't wanna see em! |
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| 17:39.47 | Cruciformer | the live version os talking heads; "Psycho Killer" from "Stop Making Sense" is soooooo much better than the original studio version. |
| 17:39.51 | Lunessa | Hello Kitty can kiss my white hairy ass. |
| 17:40.12 | Vonhinten | why you so mean to kitty |
| 17:40.48 | Vonhinten | (the hair on your ass is white?) |
| 17:40.52 | Kraps | http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/?action=view¤t=Unkle-UI-04-18-2009.jpg street fighter :) |
| 17:41.36 | Lunessa | Hah... Never played it, but yeah. |
| 17:41.58 | Lunessa | Vonhinten: I'm getting older, it might be. |
| 17:42.00 | Kraps | http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/?action=view¤t=UI-2009-03-02-01.jpg whats the profession one? |
| 17:42.18 | Lunessa | DoubleWide Tradeskills |
| 17:42.56 | Kraps | man i love these minimalist stuff |
| 17:44.08 | Lunessa | I'm not really all that minimalist. I'm just into seeing the "Pretty" and not my buttons. |
| 17:45.19 | Lunessa | http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/?action=view¤t=UI2009-07-19WIP.jpg - I'm tinkering with this idea - sort of "Classic look/Feel" more functionality. |
| 17:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | Iri!! |
| 17:46.20 | Lunessa | Yeah, I dusted her off for a day to work on a new design. |
| 17:46.28 | Lopeppeppy | I like the look so far, very classy. |
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| 17:47.36 | Lunessa | It's almost done. I really need to use the classic backdrop for the action bars. And decide what I want to do about raid frames, and if I want to move the party - right now, party frames are in the classic position. |
| 17:47.59 | Kraps | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7571-Skillet.html |
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| 17:50.39 | Lunessa | One of the nice things about replacing the default action bars with Dominos is that I can make the bar page on a modifier key - so I get a lot of buttons in a small space. |
| 17:52.33 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. |
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| 17:53.36 | Lunessa | I've put the "shapeshift/aura/presence" bar on the other end too. Ot |
| 17:53.44 | Lunessa | It's compact. |
| 17:54.39 | Cruciformer | arent the modifiers already used for things like pet abilities, self-casting etc? |
| 17:57.02 | alestane | That's subject to being changed. |
| 17:57.03 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: Not for me. I don't use a self-cast modifier - macros take care of that need for me, and I use other keybinds for pets. |
| 17:57.29 | Cruciformer | ok but the point is those modifiers are disable-able |
| 17:57.34 | Cruciformer | I was not aware. |
| 17:57.48 | alestane | They're just keybinds. |
| 17:57.49 | Cruciformer | (im a tank, never need to self-cast and a druid, so no pets) |
| 17:58.00 | Lunessa | Yes, they are. My method is good for me - maybe not for others. |
| 17:58.34 | Cruciformer | Oh no I love the idea of paging based on a modifier. |
| 17:58.58 | Lunessa | And I could, for example, stop paging the bars and do it with macros, but ... I *LIKE* it this way. Once I made the adjustment, I was much faster and more responsive. |
| 17:59.18 | Vilkku | for some reason my pitbull health and mana bars grow vertrically... what gives? |
| 17:59.36 | alestane | What I've done for ages is have the number pad bound to bar 6, SHIFT+NumPad bound to bar 5, and so forth. |
| 17:59.42 | Lunessa | You set the orientation to vertical. |
| 18:00.03 | Lunessa | alestane: I should do something like that. |
| 18:00.04 | Vilkku | Lunessa, where do I change it? |
| 18:00.38 | Lunessa | Vilkku: It's a layout option somewhere - I'm not an expert, I've moved back to oUF for now. |
| 18:00.57 | Kraps | my bartender buttons are 10% smaller than the default |
| 18:04.39 | Vilkku | I reset all settings and it still does it |
| 18:04.41 | Vilkku | fucking weird |
| 18:04.45 | Vilkku | only for the player frame |
| 18:05.33 | Dagmar | Well, submit a bug report or change it's orientation to horizontal |
| 18:05.40 | Dagmar | ...or both. |
| 18:05.54 | Vilkku | Dagmar, I still have no clue where to change it :p |
| 18:06.10 | Dagmar | You can always logout and erase the saved variables file for it |
| 18:06.15 | Dagmar | That'll reset it by brute force |
| 18:06.37 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure where you change it is somewhere in the layout you've assigned to the player frame |
| 18:06.54 | Kraps | i love the new mount casting speed |
| 18:07.16 | Dagmar | If whatever layout you're editing isn't affecting the player frame you're editing the wrong layout for sure |
| 18:09.44 | Fisker | http://i27.tinypic.com/241m245.jpg |
| 18:11.11 | Dagmar | Fake, and dumb. |
| 18:11.15 | Fisker | no |
| 18:11.17 | Fisker | just did it |
| 18:11.19 | Fisker | and fuck you |
| 18:12.02 | Lopeppeppy | Bookworm is awesome, Fisker. |
| 18:12.17 | Fisker | yeah |
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| 18:12.48 | Kraps | whats the point of a shield with resil? |
| 18:12.56 | jnwhiteh | .. pvp? |
| 18:13.14 | jnwhiteh | ele shaman, for example |
| 18:13.39 | Kraps | this is a warrior/pally shield |
| 18:13.54 | jnwhiteh | pally healer? |
| 18:14.14 | Kraps | WHOA BUG |
| 18:15.37 | Kraps | https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1086459/WoWScrnShot_073109_141447.jpg |
| 18:16.12 | Lopeppeppy | What is your bug, Kraps, since I don't see it immediately... |
| 18:16.27 | Kraps | see the bottom? |
| 18:16.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, funny graphics. |
| 18:16.39 | Kraps | its the shammy totem thing |
| 18:17.00 | Lopeppeppy | I remember seeing threads on the PTR forum that graphics are having a very hard time this PTR. |
| 18:18.21 | Dagmar | Intel notebook users just seem to all be idiots somehow |
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| 18:18.26 | Kraps | think its because of the addons? |
| 18:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, it's supposedly something to do with laptop video drivers. |
| 18:20.48 | Lunessa | If I had a mind to, I wouldn't want to be like you. And If I had time to, I wouldn't want to talk to you. I don't care what you do, I wouldn't want to be like you. ~Alan Parson Project |
| 18:21.36 | Cruciformer | love alan parsons. anyone who could engineer dark side of the moon geets my vote. |
| 18:22.09 | Cruciformer | my fave song by them is an instrumental song called "Lucifer". I like turn of a freindly card as well. |
| 18:22.28 | Lunessa | I'm ripping a bunch of my CDs into iTunes on this machine, and I found my "Best of" album just now. |
| 18:22.39 | Cruciformer | sweet |
| 18:22.40 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 18:22.47 | Cruciformer | does have lucifer on it? |
| 18:22.49 | Lunessa | And I'm a huge fan of "Eye in the Sky" |
| 18:22.51 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 18:23.01 | Dagmar | JoshAshby: I wasn't being hyper-defensive or hyper-anything |
| 18:23.08 | Cruciformer | i may have to get that Best Of ... then |
| 18:23.27 | Cruciformer | was eye inteh sky during the erik wolfson phase of TAPP? |
| 18:23.38 | Cruciformer | I always forget who the singers were for which albums. |
| 18:23.40 | Lunessa | 12 tracks of awesomeness. |
| 18:24.05 | Cruciformer | "Eve" had the best album cover ever. |
| 18:24.10 | Kaso | Is there/what is the character limit on macrotext secure buttons |
| 18:24.14 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: Yes, lead vocals for that song. |
| 18:24.20 | Cruciformer | altho you have to look real closely at it. A CD cover is too small |
| 18:24.30 | alestane | Kaso: There's 1023 byte limit on macrotext. |
| 18:24.49 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: He was my fave of the various TAPP vocalists. |
| 18:24.56 | Lunessa | Same here. |
| 18:25.12 | Cruciformer | so much so I cant even remember who the others were :) |
| 18:25.39 | Lunessa | I am the the Maker of Rules, dealing with Fools. I can cheat you blind. |
| 18:26.02 | Kaso | can you still "chain" macros by doing /click ? |
| 18:26.02 | Cruciformer | omg damn u lunesa now I have to go buy alan parson ... |
| 18:26.14 | Cruciformer | +s |
| 18:26.27 | durcyn | he's not for sale. |
| 18:26.36 | Cruciformer | i was feeling no particular lack in my collection till you mentioned them :P |
| 18:27.10 | Cruciformer | while Im out there I'll get ELO's "Doscovery" ... Ive had a hankering for "Dont bring me down" |
| 18:27.15 | Lunessa | malreth gets that way too... I was singing Paul Simon tunes once and he had to go get the ablum. |
| 18:27.32 | Cruciformer | *spit* I detest and loathe paul simon |
| 18:28.04 | Lunessa | My boss just e-mailed me from her phone - she's waiting out the rain before leaving her car. It's pouring down so hard it's almost night-black outside. |
| 18:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | African Skies! |
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| 18:28.27 | Lunessa | Next up to be ripped - Bad Company's |
| 18:28.28 | Cruciformer | mostly for his treatment of ladysmith black mambaso |
| 18:28.31 | Lunessa | Holy Water |
| 18:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, we've got some heavy downpours up here too... Flooding, roads washed out and not likely to be repaired for weeks, bridges closed... fun times. |
| 18:30.47 | Lunessa | Fun times. It's the End Times! Watch for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse! |
| 18:32.20 | Dagmar | When did "Sogginess" join the foursome and who quit? |
| 18:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Muddy, Rainy, Hurricane and Tornado! |
| 18:32.52 | Dagmar | Somehow it doesn't quite fit in with "Death", "Famine", "Pestilence" and "Republicans" |
| 18:33.25 | Lunessa | Ouch. Someone voted Democtratic ticket. |
| 18:34.03 | Dagmar | I'm sorry. I have an IQ |
| 18:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | I like mine better. *sniff* |
| 18:34.21 | Dagmar | I couldn't possibly vote Republican with the way they've been behaving. |
| 18:34.39 | Lunessa | Dagmar: My politics are my own. I just don't take shots at either party just for being a party. |
| 18:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | I don't care what way I have to vote next year, I'm voting "no encumbents" for New York State. |
| 18:34.50 | Dagmar | I dont' care that they're a party. |
| 18:35.02 | Dagmar | I care that for the last two years they act like they've been taken over by /b/. |
| 18:35.18 | Dagmar | Major repubs have been bailing because of it |
| 18:35.18 | alestane | Yeah, been running a soaker most of the day here, too. |
| 18:35.56 | Lunessa | I'm hoping it clears up tomorrow - I need to clean out my car in preparation for my cross-country drive to BlizzCon |
| 18:36.05 | Dagmar | People can complain about the dems all they like, but the repubs kind of made it an easy choise for most "reasonable" people. |
| 18:36.12 | Lopeppeppy | I'm supposed to go freakin' camping for a week (if my new cat allows)... in the mud. :) |
| 18:37.51 | Lunessa | Holy crap - a division chair in Humanities died last night. :( She'd been here since the university opened. I even liked her despite her teaching a psuedo-science. |
| 18:38.23 | Lopeppeppy | Wow... that's awful for the school, Lunessa, I'm sorry to hear it. |
| 18:38.41 | Dagmar | Waiiit... when did Humanities become a science? |
| 18:38.58 | Lunessa | Psuedo-science. She taught psychology. |
| 18:39.06 | Dagmar | Some personal conflicts with the Arts division there, perhaps? |
| 18:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | I have a psych degree. :) |
| 18:39.31 | Lunessa | Psuedo-science. :P |
| 18:39.41 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: So then you know why we don't generally consider that a science |
| 18:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | bite me. :P |
| 18:41.42 | Lunessa | Anyway, she was an interesting person, and she'll be missed. |
| 18:44.53 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: If you like TAPP have u ever heard / like Rennaissance? Thats who Im listening to now. |
| 18:45.07 | Lunessa | The name is vaguely familiar. |
| 18:45.22 | foxlit | "Q: Finally -- and it's all too often asked -- how are players really supposed to deal with not one, but TWO Jormungars?! " |
| 18:45.34 | Cruciformer | 70's neo-classical rock. what the moody blues coulda been if they had talent. |
| 18:45.39 | Lunessa | I have a lot of CDs that I bought for like 1-2 songs from relatively unknown groups and I don't recall all the names. |
| 18:45.40 | jnwhiteh | how can i tell the GUIDs of my treants? |
| 18:46.32 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Don't they have a GUID like pets? I.e. a suffix of your GUID? |
| 18:46.45 | jnwhiteh | they have a GUID |
| 18:46.46 | foxlit | considering you're a druid |
| 18:46.50 | foxlit | affiliation flags should be enough. |
| 18:46.53 | jnwhiteh | but i didn't realize they were suffixes |
| 18:47.00 | durcyn | there are unique GUIDs, and there are SPELL_SUMMON events |
| 18:47.00 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: for me, yes |
| 18:47.10 | jnwhiteh | but i need to be able to tell those of my party members |
| 18:47.16 | foxlit | That is not what you asked. |
| 18:47.19 | jnwhiteh | no it's not. |
| 18:47.20 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I could be wrong though, I'm not an expert. |
| 18:47.27 | jnwhiteh | but the answer to the first question will lead me further, |
| 18:47.29 | jnwhiteh | hence this conversation. |
| 18:47.45 | durcyn | ahem. 7/30 20:21:09.354 SPELL_SUMMON,0x050000000272FB81,"Some Druid",0x512,0xF1300007AC0100FD,"Treant",0xa28,33831,"Force of Nature",0x8 |
| 18:47.51 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/152949146 |
| 18:47.52 | Adys | lmao |
| 18:48.23 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: yes, that's where Im' headed |
| 18:48.34 | jnwhiteh | if that works for dancing runeblade, gargoyle, etc. |
| 18:49.19 | Lunessa | "Pet GUIDs contain the highguid F14 (or F54 has been seen in wotlk), followed by the pet number field. This field is a unique identifier for the pet generated on taming, or the initial summon or the pet. " http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 18:49.20 | durcyn | i see totems, desecrated ground, ghouls, warlock demons, rune weapon |
| 18:49.35 | durcyn | and ebon gargoyle, yes |
| 18:49.35 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: that works for me then, thanks. |
| 18:49.57 | durcyn | and even shadowfiends, everyone has a bloody pet anymore |
| 18:50.07 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 18:50.08 | Lunessa | Even Shaman |
| 18:50.09 | jnwhiteh | good, then I'll use that. |
| 18:51.28 | End | IIRC, the only thing SPELL_SUMMON isn't given for is doomguards |
| 18:51.46 | jnwhiteh | End: any idea what's used for that? |
| 18:52.30 | End | Reading this post indicates you might be able to check for SPELL_AURA_APPLIED |
| 18:52.47 | End | paired with the summoning spell itself (the ritual of doom) |
| 18:53.17 | End | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443291000&sid=1#9 |
| 18:53.20 | Lunessa | One of these days, I'll use a doomguard on my warlock. |
| 18:53.38 | End | as far as I know, doomguard still doesn't have avoidance |
| 18:54.05 | End | even if it did, I play as destro more often in raids than affliction anyway :-/ |
| 18:56.31 | Lunessa | My warlock is Demonology. I <3 it muchly. |
| 18:56.56 | End | ah, well, then you're not likely to summon a doomguard :P |
| 18:57.02 | durcyn | you know, i don't think my felguard even has a name yet |
| 18:57.53 | malreth|lunch | A surprisingly accurate depiction of an "adult kiss" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Cqhu_BRPc |
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| 18:58.57 | malreth | video is arguably SFW... there's awkward tongue action |
| 18:59.47 | Lunessa | malreth: I'm not going to sleep for a week, and I won't ever be able to watch porn again, thank you. |
| 19:00.07 | Dagmar | Welcome to the club |
| 19:00.35 | Dagmar | Maybe I'll try porn again when they stop using techno |
| 19:00.56 | Cruciformer | wait they use techno in porn now? |
| 19:01.20 | Dagmar | Yes this is why ravers can't watch it |
| 19:01.27 | NightHawkTheSan1 | oh man the description of "awkward tongue action" so makes me want to watch it now |
| 19:01.46 | Cruciformer | I may have to get some porn then ... for the music of course. |
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| 19:03.06 | Lunessa | I'm about to bust out the Lords of Acid CDs... but so many of the lyrics are NSFW |
| 19:03.21 | Dagmar | Good luck not dancing to it |
| 19:03.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Your mp3 player doesn't do album art either apparently. ;) |
| 19:03.58 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I have the CDs. |
| 19:03.58 | durcyn | malreth: what the shit |
| 19:04.06 | Dagmar | But seriously... who would complain about a chorus of "sit on my face". Seriously. People are too sensitive in the workplace |
| 19:04.28 | Dagmar | Nothing wrong with "darling come here, f**k me in the rear" |
| 19:05.00 | Lunessa | Or "Show me your pussy" ? |
| 19:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk. |
| 19:06.34 | malreth | agree with Lopeppeppy |
| 19:06.39 | Lunessa | Lords of Acid - because the lyrics were written under the influence. |
| 19:06.45 | malreth | he should have asked, "Show me your pussy, please." |
| 19:06.50 | Dagmar | I think they were quite sober at the time |
| 19:07.02 | malreth | politeness counts |
| 19:07.19 | Dagmar | You assume it's a "he" that was asking |
| 19:07.22 | Dagmar | Fail. |
| 19:07.39 | Lunessa | Dagmar: malreth was referring to me., not the singer. |
| 19:07.43 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 19:07.51 | Lunessa | I'm most definitely male. |
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| 19:08.08 | durcyn | and he's got the pictures to prove it. |
| 19:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | seen on a gaming forum, whining about moderation |
| 19:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | the username? "Mods=1st_AmendH8trs" |
| 19:08.44 | Lunessa | Message Boards are not public speech. |
| 19:08.51 | Lunessa | They're private property. |
| 19:09.06 | ScytheBlade1 | People like that make me want to injure... those same people |
| 19:09.13 | Torhal | Lunessa: And this person may know that, and simply be trolling. |
| 19:09.30 | Dagmar | Mhe. Just remind them that the ToS is the only reason they're allowed to post and they themselves ignored it so they should enjoy being deleted |
| 19:09.32 | Torhal | Still...*stab* *STAB* *STAB!* |
| 19:10.36 | Lunessa | In my experience, the people making those claims understand neither the First Amendment or the Constitution anyway. To them, "Free Speech" is a license to say naughty or libelous things without repercussion. |
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| 19:11.32 | Shirik | stabs Lunessa |
| 19:11.37 | Shirik | l2nor |
| 19:11.48 | Lunessa | bleeds on Shirik . |
| 19:11.56 | Shirik | neither...nor; either...or |
| 19:12.31 | malreth | XORs Shirik with himself |
| 19:13.13 | Shirik | ono |
| 19:14.06 | malreth | watches Shirik disappear in a puff of binary logic |
| 19:14.25 | Shirik | I don't think I'm the same as you :/ |
| 19:14.33 | Shirik | I would only disappear if you are identical to me |
| 19:14.53 | Aqua | ewww logic gates |
| 19:14.55 | foxlit | Now you're a hideous abomination that is the difference between you and malreth. |
| 19:15.08 | malreth | i have made a logic error |
| 19:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 19:15.40 | malreth | i guess that's probably the same thing that happened to that kid at the end of that "kissing" video |
| 19:17.34 | Shirik | XORs malreth with Fisker |
| 19:17.38 | Shirik | yay now they're both gone |
| 19:17.50 | Shirik | <3 <3 |
| 19:17.53 | Qzot | Shirik ^= malreth; malreth ^= Shirik; Shirik ^= malreth; |
| 19:18.05 | Lunessa | Shirik: yeah yeah yeah |
| 19:18.08 | Shirik | ow |
| 19:18.11 | Qzot | Brain transplant! |
| 19:18.30 | Shirik | Qzot made me figure that out in my head :( |
| 19:18.38 | Qzot | No. |
| 19:18.48 | Qzot | I made you figure it out in *malreth*'s head. |
| 19:18.53 | Shirik | .. |
| 19:19.42 | malreth | ouch... |
| 19:20.27 | Lunessa | mmmmm... Bad Company. |
| 19:21.38 | Qzot | In olden times, when you cared about every possible byte of space, there was an implementation of a doubly-linked list that only need one address' worth of space per node. It worked by each node holding onto the XOR of the addresses of the previous and next nodes. |
| 19:21.58 | Bibi | is there a mod to display the reagents needed to create a scroll of enchantment in its tooltip? |
| 19:22.03 | Qzot | Want to talk about xor pain? That's pain for you ... doing xor's 17 miles through the snow uphill both ways. |
| 19:22.15 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Qzot |
| 19:22.15 | purl | pushes the wall down onto Qzot whilst whistling innocently |
| 19:22.48 | Qzot | wall ^= wall; |
| 19:22.50 | Lunessa | Bibi: not that I know of, sorry. |
| 19:23.29 | Bibi | damn :( |
| 19:23.52 | foxlit | it's evil: you'd have to store things. |
| 19:24.08 | Qzot | Enchanting is the evil stepchild of tradeskills. |
| 19:24.39 | Lunessa | And the most popular tradeskill in my guild. |
| 19:24.39 | Bibi | but I'm evil |
| 19:25.22 | malreth | (cons foxlit Qzot) |
| 19:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | Blue... rat... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5921266/Blue-MandMs-mend-spinal-injuries.html |
| 19:26.08 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Yeah the first day that news hit was funny |
| 19:26.23 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Various agencies kept "color correcting" the picture of the mouse without reading the article |
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| 19:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | Rat... blue!! |
| 19:30.35 | Lopeppeppy | So adorabubble. |
| 19:31.59 | Lunessa | yeah, but... who wants to eat massive doses of blue food dye? |
| 19:32.37 | Qzot | Me. Assuming it would reduce permanent spinal damage. Because paralysis makes you blue, too... |
| 19:33.38 | malreth | i'd rather ingest colloidal silver instead |
| 19:33.52 | durcyn | Lunessa: so you'd choose parapalegia over the color blue? |
| 19:34.04 | Lunessa | I read the articles - it's good stuff, but hardly medically relevant yet. |
| 19:34.31 | Dagmar | You don't have to eat it |
| 19:34.37 | Lunessa | They can inject it. |
| 19:34.38 | Dagmar | It's injected right into the bloodstream. |
| 19:34.43 | durcyn | but, but the false dichotomy! |
| 19:34.47 | Lunessa | Right into a big fat vein. |
| 19:35.04 | Dagmar | The only problem is that it has to be injected within about fifteen minutes of the injury, which is faster than most people would see help |
| 19:35.07 | Lunessa | within 15 minutes to be effective. |
| 19:35.33 | Dagmar | OKay, well, the *other* problem is that it's so cheap and already FDA approved that no greedy drug company is likely to bother trying to produce it |
| 19:35.57 | Lunessa | I'm wondering if there won't be some smart guy do-gooder who suggests we eat massive quantities of it as a preventative measure, like flouride. |
| 19:36.18 | Dagmar | It's great that something which is so cheap and could easily make the difference between _ever walking again_ and _spending life in a wheelchair_ is being ignored because the margin on it isn't high enough |
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| 19:37.34 | Lunessa | I'm all for cheap, easy, low-impact ways to improve life. I just don't expect someone motivated by profit to do them for me. |
| 19:38.16 | Lunessa | And the needed studies are far from complete, but they do show great promise. |
| 19:38.57 | Dagmar | A bunch of mice never walking compared to the blue ones that did is pretty serious |
| 19:39.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's a start at least. |
| 19:40.32 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Yes, I'm totally for it. I'm excited. My dad had spinal damage from an accident that this might have solved. It's awesome. But I'm not ready to jump in and start injecting FDC Blue yet. |
| 19:40.49 | Dagmar | I'd do it |
| 19:41.24 | Lunessa | Hell, I'm still not sure I'm ready for corrective surgery on my eyes and those techniques have been being used for 30+ years now. |
| 19:41.47 | Dagmar | Umm... only in the last 10 have those become notably less savage |
| 19:42.10 | Lunessa | I know, but the results are well understod, and the long-term effects are clear. |
| 19:42.15 | Dagmar | ...unless you're in australia where they probably just yank out your eyes |
| 19:42.24 | Lopeppeppy | Or in REPO. |
| 19:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | I loved REPO. |
| 19:42.39 | durcyn | i couldn't even watch that on mute |
| 19:42.42 | Adys | chrome is so awesome |
| 19:42.44 | Adys | its not even funny |
| 19:43.08 | Dagmar | I mean when faced with the choice of being injected with a bunch of food coloring versus a much reduced chance of walking again, why would people get picky about what color they might turn for a week or two? |
| 19:43.23 | durcyn | personally, i prefer to not injure my spine in the first place |
| 19:43.31 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 19:43.33 | durcyn | but what if those mice curl up and die in a year's time |
| 19:43.38 | theorbtwo | Only a week or two? I've got persistant backaches, can I have some blue food coloring, please? |
| 19:43.59 | Dagmar | durcyn: Considering I've drunk enough kool-aid to turn my urine terrifying colors on more than one occasion, I don't think that's going to happen |
| 19:44.18 | Dagmar | Great Bluedine is awesome if you have a drug test to take |
| 19:44.32 | Dagmar | Blue urine is always a hit with testing clinicians. |
| 19:44.33 | durcyn | i'm oddly enough reminded of a stargate episode wherein a vaccine was rushed and killed half a planet |
| 19:44.36 | Lunessa | I have Carpal-Tunnel Syndrome in both wrists. When I was diagnosed, open carpal tunnel surgery was all the rage, then endoscopic CT surgery - but, by waiting and doing other non-surgical procedures I've avoided being one of those people who have horrible long-term debilitation from treatments which are now deemed improper. :) I'm willing to wait until the science is done on blue dye. :) |
| 19:44.57 | durcyn | stargate has the answers to everything. |
| 19:45.04 | Dagmar | It's not "dye" tho. It's _food coloring |
| 19:45.05 | Dagmar | _ |
| 19:45.08 | Dagmar | The testing's been done |
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| 19:45.34 | malreth | clearly, you require a Tok'ra symbiote |
| 19:45.35 | Dagmar | Like, seriously, it's just run-of-the-mill food coloring no different from what ya find in cupcake icing and lollipops |
| 19:45.51 | theorbtwo | I'll bet we tested large amounts of blue food coloring on rats a long time ago anyway. Just nobody gave it to rats after breaking their backs before. |
| 19:45.51 | malreth | it's like having your own best friend... in your head |
| 19:45.54 | Aqua | meh, you just need some Tratonin... |
| 19:46.03 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: You betcha |
| 19:46.04 | malreth | like XORing yourself with Shirik |
| 19:46.06 | malreth | hi Shirik |
| 19:46.07 | ZorbaGama | it's a tough decision and a hard tradeoff to make |
| 19:46.30 | Dagmar | For the level of caffiene it took to cause problems in lab rats, if you ingested that much as a human, you'd probably never sleep again |
| 19:46.37 | ZorbaGama | someone gets in an accident and ends up with a horrible injury. they will die in an hour. do you try Experimental Treatment That Might Save Them? Probably. |
| 19:46.41 | Dagmar | People *licking* you would suffer insomnia |
| 19:46.53 | Shirik | Dagmar: tbh, it's probably something in the food coloring, not the coloring itself |
| 19:46.57 | ZorbaGama | someone gets in an accident and ends up with a mildly painful injury. They'll be fine, but inconvenienced for the next few years. Do you try Experimental Treatment That Might Save Them? Probably not. |
| 19:46.59 | Shirik | but hey, if it works |
| 19:47.07 | ZorbaGama | now figure out where, exactly, the cutoff point between those two extremes is. |
| 19:47.22 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Right now, today, if I had a major spine injury, I'd take the chance. because, really what have I got to lose? But I'm not sold on it becoming standard yet. :) |
| 19:47.28 | Dagmar | Just about everything has been given to lab rats/mice in ludicrous quantities |
| 19:47.37 | Shirik | The problem with this treatment is that it needs to be done very soon after the accident it seems |
| 19:47.43 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 19:47.48 | ZorbaGama | Unfortunately, right now the US medical laws put basically everything into the "don't do it" category. |
| 19:47.49 | Dagmar | That fifteen minute time limit is the bitch |
| 19:47.58 | Shirik | well they didn't really say that's the limit |
| 19:48.01 | Shirik | just that's what they tested |
| 19:48.04 | Dagmar | THey actually did |
| 19:48.16 | Shirik | "On the downside, the treatment causes the skin to temporarily turn bright blue and BBG needs to be injected soon after the trauma. The test injections were given within 15 minutes." |
| 19:48.19 | theorbtwo | Not only do you need to have it, you need to have it *in the ambulance*. |
| 19:48.30 | Shirik | That doesn't say that if it were after 15 minutes it would be ineffective |
| 19:48.40 | Lunessa | And it needs to get there a lot faster than they do right now. |
| 19:48.54 | Dagmar | The swelling that starts the downward spiral starts shorly after that |
| 19:49.09 | Dagmar | It's a particuler type of swelling that the food coloring stops from happening |
| 19:50.05 | durcyn | and are there other types of injuries that would be mitigated by that swelling actually happening? |
| 19:50.27 | Dagmar | Interesting question |
| 19:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 19:50.28 | malreth | swelling mitigation? |
| 19:50.36 | durcyn | i mean, putting it in the water supply would be silly at this point |
| 19:50.36 | Lunessa | malreth: not that kind |
| 19:50.38 | malreth | sure... an anti-Viagra |
| 19:50.46 | Shirik | why not |
| 19:50.47 | theorbtwo | wonders what the dosage would be for an adult human, and if he can just keep it in his kitchen. |
| 19:50.49 | durcyn | but maybe equipping ambulances with a syringe of it would be useful |
| 19:51.02 | durcyn | there's a happy medium somewhere |
| 19:51.04 | malreth | just inject it right at the base of the-- |
| 19:51.14 | malreth | hmm... |
| 19:51.21 | Shirik | malreth |
| 19:51.25 | Shirik | you deserve to be banned for that image in my head |
| 19:51.55 | malreth | best part about it is you can call your johnson "Dr. Manhattan" |
| 19:52.01 | Lunessa | Hey, he lives with someone qualified to perform acupuncture. I say we get him to try it. |
| 19:52.06 | Dagmar | It would be cool if Wired's indexing didn't suck |
| 19:52.31 | Dagmar | They had a detailed article on the blue mice earlier this week |
| 19:52.35 | Dagmar | Good luck finding it |
| 19:52.40 | Lunessa | I'm just glad they don't try to do that strange, angled printing from the 90s anymore. |
| 19:52.59 | Shirik | angled printing? |
| 19:53.19 | Dagmar | Italics didn't suck as much on the mac |
| 19:53.29 | Dagmar | Finally http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/bluerats/ |
| 19:53.46 | Dagmar | That mouse was pink on all sorts of news outlets for half the day--including Wired the first time I pulled it up |
| 19:53.48 | Lunessa | Shirik: You'd have to see their old print publication - it was a pain in the ass to read. |
| 19:54.07 | Dagmar | If day glo ink causes cancer, I'm screwed |
| 19:54.12 | Dagmar | I used to buy that every month |
| 19:54.36 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I had an industry courtesy sub. |
| 19:54.58 | Dagmar | "In 2004, Nedergaard and colleagues discovered that swelling around the cord is caused by the rapid release of ATP, the molecule that normally provides energy for the cell. Excessive amounts of ATP overstimulate nerve cells and cause them to die of metabolic stress. The researchers found that blocking an ATP receptor called P2X7 prevented much of the inflammation associated with spinal cord injury. But until now, they hadn.t identified a clinically u |
| 19:55.02 | Dagmar | yuck |
| 19:55.52 | theorbtwo | blue food coloring depresses ATP production? |
| 19:56.08 | Lunessa | You should check out the book "Burn Rate" which has a bit on the formation of Wired. |
| 19:56.23 | Lunessa | No, it blocks the receptor |
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| 19:59.08 | theorbtwo | Hmm, that seems somewhat more reasonable. |
| 19:59.35 | theorbtwo | ATP is a pretty major chemical as far as powering all sorts of things goes. |
| 19:59.46 | theorbtwo | Possibly *the* major chemical. |
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| 20:00.38 | theorbtwo | If it decreased ATP production, then parents would have noticed a long time ago that kids that drink blue kool-aid are less rambunctious then those that drink red koolaid. |
| 20:00.56 | Lopeppeppy | You assume parents are observant. |
| 20:02.48 | Dagmar | It took *how long* for parents as a group to realize something in Hawaiian Punch made kids CRAAAAZY? |
| 20:03.01 | Dagmar | ...while most affected kids knew it at like age 4. |
| 20:03.31 | ZorbaGama | theorb, considering that the concentration of blue food coloring that has to be *injected* to depress ATP at a single site is enough to turn your entire body blue for days, I suspect the amount of ATP depression you get by drinking kool-aid is basically negligable |
| 20:03.49 | Lunessa | you mean aside from the massive dose of sugar? |
| 20:04.16 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: Fair point. |
| 20:05.43 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Oh yes |
| 20:05.58 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Its' part of the reason they took Red/Yellow #5 off the market |
| 20:06.03 | Lunessa | never drank it as akid, what's the deal? |
| 20:06.07 | Dagmar | It made hyperactive children NUTS |
| 20:06.07 | Lunessa | oh. |
| 20:06.25 | durcyn | i thought that was just godawful advertising |
| 20:06.40 | Dagmar | You ever hear the Soul Coughing song where one of the choruses is "Yellow Number Five... Yellow Number Five... YELLOW NUMBER FIVE..." That's part of why |
| 20:07.10 | Lopeppeppy | I have a friend who is allergic to Red 40. Drives him crazy. |
| 20:07.33 | Dagmar | Yeah, red #5 hits affected children and adults harder than cocaine could ever hope to. |
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| 20:13.04 | durcyn | hah, you can't make this shit up. http://entertainment.stv.tv/showbiz/112787-phil-spector-alarmed-by-manson-note/ |
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| 20:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | Do NOT cry to me that your prison cell sucks... don't murder people and you might not have to endure that. Grrr. |
| 20:19.20 | NeoTron | lol |
| 20:19.33 | NeoTron | "It's a terrible existence for a millionaire record producer who lived in mansions and most recently in a castle, a 35 room home. It's a huge, huge change of life for Phil Spector and a devastating turn in his life." |
| 20:19.34 | ZorbaGama | lope, I disagree with that - merely committing a crime doesn't mean that you waive your human rights. American prisons are absolutely horrifying, and nobody, no matter what crime they may or may not have committed, should have to deal with them |
| 20:19.56 | NeoTron | I suspect Lana Clarkson's life ending experience was even a huger change |
| 20:20.00 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. I also think that we should bring back the firing squad. No more life sentences, just be done with it. |
| 20:20.07 | Lopeppeppy | What NeoTron said. *nod* |
| 20:20.17 | ZorbaGama | it sounds like Manson's cell isn't so bad, but some are vastly and horrifyingly worse. |
| 20:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | Then we could have nice happy prisons that don't even feel like punishments, all sunshine and roses. |
| 20:21.23 | Lopeppeppy | He just got there. If he's a good monkey, he'll get more privileges and things can be better. *shrug* I still have no pity. |
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| 20:23.31 | NeoTron | none at all |
| 20:25.01 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/parking-meters/ |
| 20:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | No, no, help! |
| 20:25.37 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 20:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | See yas! I'm not likely to be back online until after vacation, August 10! |
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| 20:26.19 | Lunessa | Later. :) |
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| 20:29.25 | Fisker | Threat Level: Nutella Lunessa |
| 20:29.39 | Lunessa | mmmm... Hazelnet |
| 20:31.41 | Lunessa | Awesome fun - http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/07/bob-maddox-pulse-jet/ |
| 20:31.42 | NightHawkTheSan1 | mmm.. nutella |
| 20:33.05 | malreth | oh gods, i want popcorn so badly right now |
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| 20:48.31 | Lunessa | Hahah... http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/07/there-is-no-wifi-allergy-newspapers-misreport-pr-as-science.ars |
| 20:52.02 | A-KO | Does anyone have a link on the close button used in the wow frames? Can't seem to find it in the xml files....is it just a button with X in it or does it have a template/texture? |
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| 20:58.50 | Arrowmaster | fuck newegg, the case that i ordered and got defective and they are now sending me a replacement, well i clicked the wrong link in the email and got sent to the normal page for the case and they are now listing the "original price" $20 cheaper than i paid for it and selling it for another $20 cheaper than that |
| 21:01.18 | tlund | in pittbull4, is there a way to make buffs show under the unitframe, and debuffs under the buffs, like many other unitframes does? Only using 50% (the default) width of the frame seems .. a waste? |
| 21:02.15 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: That blows |
| 21:03.40 | Arrowmaster | i swear 'original price' online is all a fucking scam |
| 21:03.48 | Arrowmaster | http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Edward-James-Olmos/dp/B001993Y2C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1249074173&sr=8-2 |
| 21:03.59 | Arrowmaster | oh hey it went down $10 in price in just a week |
| 21:07.15 | Aqua | what is that arrow? |
| 21:07.26 | Arrowmaster | BSG box set |
| 21:07.47 | Aqua | ah, i've got parts of it here and there |
| 21:07.50 | Fisker | btw |
| 21:07.53 | Aqua | I hate to buy the box set and have duplicates |
| 21:07.54 | Fisker | i don't use IE8 |
| 21:07.56 | Fisker | I use ME |
| 21:07.59 | Fisker | Microsoft Explorer! |
| 21:08.08 | Aqua | wtf is that? |
| 21:08.13 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 21:08.18 | Fisker | Try asking the local media |
| 21:08.28 | Fisker | They did a story on Firefox reaching 1 billion downloads |
| 21:08.44 | Fisker | "But Microsoft Explorer still had 60% of the market" |
| 21:08.49 | Fisker | durr'd |
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| 21:25.29 | Adys | A-KO: it has a texture |
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| 21:36.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | 60% eh? wasn't so long ago that was 95%+... |
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| 22:04.03 | Shirik__ | Pop quiz time |
| 22:04.10 | Shirik__ | http://pastey.net/119313 |
| 22:04.12 | Shirik__ | What is x? |
| 22:04.22 | Thunder_Child | a letter |
| 22:04.29 | Shirik__ | ... |
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| 22:04.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the 23rd letter of the english alphabet? |
| 22:05.36 | Arrowmaster | is that C? |
| 22:05.43 | Thunder_Child | ask an intelligent question, get a dumbass answer. we have served our duty |
| 22:05.44 | NightHawkTheSan1 | c++ i believe |
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| 22:07.10 | Shirik__ | It is C++ |
| 22:07.19 | Shirik__ | C doesn't have templates as far as I'm aware |
| 22:10.15 | cbreak | the closest thing are macros |
| 22:10.18 | cbreak | which are not close at all |
| 22:10.45 | Arrowmaster | Shirik__: is it a function? |
| 22:11.20 | Shirik__ | You aren't allowed to ask me questions :( |
| 22:11.29 | Shirik__ | because I don't know how to answer |
| 22:11.42 | Arrowmaster | you dont even know the answer? |
| 22:11.45 | Shirik__ | I do |
| 22:11.52 | Shirik__ | but the question you asked has no answer |
| 22:11.54 | Shirik__ | (that's a hint ;) ) |
| 22:12.15 | Shirik__ | If you said "It's a function!" I would respond "incorrect" :) |
| 22:12.19 | cbreak | x is a method that takes a y as parameter, and is defined on the template argument? |
| 22:12.29 | Shirik__ | no |
| 22:12.36 | Arrowmaster | it could be anything! |
| 22:13.10 | Shirik__ | It could be either a function or a type |
| 22:13.21 | malreth | it's the weekend... later all |
| 22:13.31 | Arrowmaster | so i win? |
| 22:13.50 | Shirik__ | If T::x is a type, then you are declaring a variable, y, with type T::x (and unnecessary parentheses) |
| 22:13.56 | Shirik__ | sure Arrowmaster :) |
| 22:14.39 | ZorbaGama | it's not a type, but it may not be a function |
| 22:14.46 | Shirik__ | it can be a type |
| 22:14.47 | ZorbaGama | it's a member of unknown type. |
| 22:14.54 | Shirik__ | that's not guaranteed |
| 22:15.02 | ZorbaGama | no, if it was a type it'd have the "typename" keyword before it |
| 22:15.11 | Shirik__ | no it wouldn't |
| 22:15.12 | Shirik__ | er |
| 22:15.19 | Shirik__ | what are you talking about |
| 22:15.23 | Shirik__ | T or x? |
| 22:15.29 | ZorbaGama | T::x |
| 22:15.39 | ZorbaGama | the typename keyword exists solely to de-ambiguate this situation |
| 22:15.54 | Shirik__ | this example exists to prove the ambiguity :) |
| 22:16.02 | Shirik__ | That's where it came from acutally |
| 22:16.08 | ZorbaGama | and in real C++, the ambiguity doesn't exist anymore, due to the keyword ;) |
| 22:16.28 | Shirik__ | in real C++ this code is illegal, intentionally |
| 22:17.24 | ZorbaGama | I'm pretty sure it's legal in C++ due to that exact keyword |
| 22:17.45 | ZorbaGama | without the keyword, T::x is a member. with it, it's a type. if it were illegal, there would be no way to express the version of it where T::x is a member |
| 22:17.48 | Shirik__ | it's not legal because y doesn't exist |
| 22:18.05 | ZorbaGama | alright, yes, I fixed that in my version. right now it's a trivially obvious syntax error :P |
| 22:18.25 | ZorbaGama | but fix that in any way and it becomes valid |
| 22:18.27 | Shirik__ | however it raises a point |
| 22:18.49 | Shirik__ | let us assume the typename keyword did not exist |
| 22:18.54 | Shirik__ | What is wrong with the following: |
| 22:19.05 | Shirik__ | T::x(y), T::x is a type if y is undefined |
| 22:19.21 | Shirik__ | T::x(y), x is a function (or pfn, etc.) if y is defined |
| 22:19.27 | Shirik__ | s/defined/declared/ |
| 22:25.22 | cbreak | why does x not exist? |
| 22:25.26 | cbreak | the template was never instanciated |
| 22:26.28 | Fisker | Shirik__ |
| 22:26.29 | Fisker | :3 |
| 22:26.41 | haste | Shirik__: fail Shirik__ fail! |
| 22:26.47 | haste | Shirik__: it should be __shirik! |
| 22:26.50 | Fisker | haste |
| 22:26.52 | Shirik__ | why? |
| 22:26.53 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 22:26.57 | haste | metamethod! |
| 22:27.11 | Shirik__ | Freenode did this to me |
| 22:31.01 | Adys | imo |
| 22:31.04 | Adys | __shirik__ |
| 22:31.25 | Adys | ~whalegravity __shirik__ |
| 22:31.25 | purl | ACTION points towards a planet-sized whale named Jupitah attracting __shirik__ at a speed increasing as they are approaching him. |
| 22:33.07 | Thunder_Child | they? |
| 22:33.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik__, go enter http://www.lightroomthroughyourlens.com/ |
| 22:34.00 | Shirik__ | Adys: I am not python |
| 22:34.05 | Adys | you are. |
| 22:35.44 | jnwhiteh | so, I'm calculating DPS. I have a table with five slots, rotating every 2.0 seconds. When I update the display, I total the table and then divide it by the number of slots, times the throttle (2.0). |
| 22:35.56 | Shirik__ | interesting Thunder_Child |
| 22:43.08 | Shirik__ | you entering Thunder_Child ? |
| 22:43.43 | Shirik__ | p.s. that is a brilliant marketing scheme |
| 22:47.57 | Thunder_Child | Shirik__, no |
| 22:48.07 | Shirik__ | :( |
| 22:48.10 | Shirik__ | why not |
| 22:48.25 | Thunder_Child | i dont like any of my picture that mucgh |
| 22:48.27 | Thunder_Child | much* |
| 22:48.51 | Shirik__ | take more! |
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| 22:57.50 | Mikk | jnwhiteh: that can be optimized a lot. most easily by keeping a sum of the not-current 4 slots. |
| 22:58.33 | Mikk | when you move on, you add the current slot, and then subtract the contents of the "next current" one, before you zero it. |
| 22:59.24 | Mikk | (yes, there's a niggling floating point accuracy problem here. i predict it will become noticeable if someone plays WoW for a couple thousand years without UI reload :P) |
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| 23:00.13 | jnwhiteh | oh yeah duh |
| 23:00.16 | jnwhiteh | that makes much more sense. |
| 23:00.39 | jnwhiteh | this may be simpler to explain |
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| 23:00.44 | jnwhiteh | but numerically it should be okay? |
| 23:01.03 | jnwhiteh | i prefer a running average to the "simple" total damage / total time |
| 23:01.50 | jnwhiteh | its for a very simple equalizer dps meter |
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| 23:15.14 | jnwhiteh | god QuestHelper is so much nicer than carbonite |
| 23:15.33 | jnwhiteh | tho i must say |
| 23:15.39 | jnwhiteh | i wish i had the distance to each quest on my log |
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| 23:18.51 | Shirik__ | How to know your language is broken: |
| 23:19.22 | Shirik__ | Given: Foo[] myBars; |
| 23:19.28 | Shirik__ | A common language construct is: foreach (Foo bar in from bar in myBars where ... select bar) |
| 23:19.47 | Shirik__ | "bar in from bar in" just makes my eyes hurt |
| 23:24.16 | Qzot | I've been using Carbonite ever since the scandal, and I have to agree with you, jnwhiteh. |
| 23:24.37 | jnwhiteh | I've used em both but carbonite was more recently until now |
| 23:24.39 | jnwhiteh | i had to rebuild my machine |
| 23:24.43 | jnwhiteh | and downloaded QH instead |
| 23:24.47 | jnwhiteh | its pretty damn unobtrusive. |
| 23:24.54 | jnwhiteh | and so far seems to work |
| 23:25.23 | Qzot | Lots of things about C'ite piss me off. Have to admit I'm on an old version. |
| 23:25.47 | Qzot | I don't *care* if there's alliance nearby. I'm on a pve server, for goodness' sake. |
| 23:26.02 | jnwhiteh | the lack of quest "areas" on the minimap is a but annoying. |
| 23:26.09 | Qzot | When I access my friends list, don't bloody show me other people using Carbonite. |
| 23:26.15 | Nechckn | look out, Qzot, they'll come /hug you!!! |
| 23:29.08 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 23:29.09 | jnwhiteh | fury build |
| 23:29.20 | jnwhiteh | why booming voice over 2/5 cruelty |
| 23:29.26 | jnwhiteh | just so you don't need to buff as often? :P |
| 23:31.40 | jnwhiteh | ~botmail for proditor Add AddonLoader support for Gladius |
| 23:32.43 | mikma | jnwhiteh: proditor actually hangs in here? :P |
| 23:32.51 | jnwhiteh | he just left a minute ago |
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| 23:33.19 | jnwhiteh | i need 20 more heroic marks |
| 23:33.25 | jnwhiteh | err nbadges |
| 23:33.27 | jnwhiteh | for the trinket |
| 23:33.35 | jnwhiteh | heirloom |
| 23:33.38 | mikma | oh heh |
| 23:34.51 | Shirik__ | Qzot: Scandal? |
| 23:35.23 | Qzot | Shirik's ears prick up for that, eh? |
| 23:35.55 | Qzot | Scandal meaning carbonite having to change its business model. |
| 23:38.07 | kd3 | the new addon policy |
| 23:38.38 | Cloudwolf | what did carbonite change? |
| 23:39.11 | Cloudwolf | O.o new user interface addon policy? |
| 23:40.39 | kd3 | the new policy as of months ago |
| 23:40.51 | Cloudwolf | ive dropped off of the face of wow for about a month |
| 23:40.59 | Cloudwolf | along with the addon universe |
| 23:41.02 | kd3 | 'thou shalt not charge for addons.' 'thou shalt not request donations in-game', etc... |
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| 23:42.42 | Mikk | i still think dictating whether or not people can charge for their work is .... morally wrong |
| 23:42.48 | Mikk | i know it certainly is legally broken :P |
| 23:43.11 | Cloudwolf | And i kinda felt like carbonite was rude for charging |
| 23:43.21 | Mikk | that's certainly your prerogative |
| 23:43.28 | Cloudwolf | even though it was legal when it was around they were the only ones realy doing that |
| 23:43.33 | Mikk | and i seriously doubt i'd ever pay for an addon |
| 23:44.03 | Mikk | but.. well.. that should be up to the author |
| 23:44.07 | Cloudwolf | I never liked carbonite but people had issues with the method. The only thing i find a little questionable is the you can only ask for donations ont he webpage/distribution page |
| 23:44.33 | Cloudwolf | But i have yet to see an addon ask for donations in game any way |
| 23:44.35 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 23:44.42 | Mikk | most ace2 ones do |
| 23:44.50 | Mikk | because of the built in support in the "About" dialog |
| 23:44.53 | kd3 | the 'donate' button in the config panel |
| 23:45.26 | Mikk | the one blizzard wanted to clamp down on was spamming notices about paying/donating though |
| 23:45.30 | Cloudwolf | well i have no issues with asking for donations from inside the addon as long as it doesn't pop up by itself if its in like an about area |
| 23:45.44 | Mikk | nods |
| 23:46.10 | Cloudwolf | And my grammar is horrendous today... |
| 23:46.18 | Mikk | goes to bed |
| 23:46.23 | Cloudwolf | night |
| 23:54.02 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 23:54.10 | jnwhiteh | my last two amazon certs haven't been sent out yet =( |
| 23:54.15 | jnwhiteh | i was waiting on those to buy a new battery |
| 23:55.09 | Dagmar | amazon.com^0.jnwhite.org? |
| 23:55.13 | Dagmar | :) |
| 23:56.48 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 23:56.57 | jnwhiteh | more like store.curseforge.com^0poopface.com |
| 23:57.06 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 23:57.07 | jnwhiteh | sleeps. |
| 23:57.39 | Cairenn | huggles jnwhiteh, sweet dreams |
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