| 00:00.12 | Cide | which can be base64-encoded into the database |
| 00:00.12 | Cide | and later on decoded and unpickled |
| 00:00.13 | Cide | and you just get your original function back |
| 00:00.23 | DWSR | yeah, I see |
| 00:00.28 | DWSR | Just browsing the docs |
| 00:02.18 | DWSR | relevant, but OT: http://hurring.com/scott/code/python/serialize/ |
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| 00:05.07 | DWSR | Cide: Why do you need to save the state of a function halfway through execution? |
| 00:05.20 | Cide | I'm defining the interaction with, say, an npc |
| 00:05.33 | Cide | which will happen over the course of several requests/responses |
| 00:06.04 | Cide | the dynamics of the interaction is best described with a scripting language |
| 00:06.23 | DWSR | but why are your functions changing with time? |
| 00:06.27 | Cide | they're not |
| 00:06.39 | DWSR | You just said that they are. |
| 00:06.44 | Cide | no? |
| 00:06.45 | Cide | where? |
| 00:07.01 | DWSR | If they're not changing with time, then why does it matter when you pickle them? |
| 00:07.13 | Cide | I could compute a function and pickle it |
| 00:07.16 | Cide | but then I'd need to store it |
| 00:07.39 | Cide | but that only serializes the function, not a particular execution of said function |
| 00:07.44 | Adys | Cide: Did I mention? I love django. Took me two fucking hours but I got urls sorted without bugs - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/thunderfury/1209--4+043549/514284/tooltip///js |
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| 00:08.12 | Cide | what the hell is that url? |
| 00:08.21 | Thunder_Child | painful |
| 00:08.28 | DWSR | indeed |
| 00:08.28 | Adys | Cide: it gets cleaned up into http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/thunderfury/tooltip/js |
| 00:08.39 | Cide | ah |
| 00:08.45 | Adys | I should prolly do a redirect |
| 00:08.45 | DWSR | Adys, I'm still seeing pain. |
| 00:08.46 | Cide | but not the path in the javascript object :P |
| 00:08.58 | Adys | thats intended |
| 00:09.39 | DWSR | Cide: I think I get what you're saying. |
| 00:10.03 | DWSR | Cide: Basically, you want to know save the data that the function is operating on? |
| 00:10.20 | Cide | this is the web |
| 00:10.34 | Cide | so we'll be interacting with the npc through a series of requests/responses |
| 00:10.39 | Cide | so we need to store the state of the interaction |
| 00:10.44 | DWSR | AH. |
| 00:10.51 | DWSR | Much clearer, sorry. |
| 00:11.04 | DWSR | So store the state of the interaction as an object? |
| 00:11.05 | Cide | so we can restore the point in the conversation we're in for the next request |
| 00:11.07 | DWSR | And just serialize the object. |
| 00:11.18 | Cide | I want to store it as an integer for simplicity |
| 00:11.28 | Cide | takes much less database space |
| 00:11.51 | DWSR | Hmph. |
| 00:12.18 | Cide | but there are a couple of issues |
| 00:12.24 | Cide | so I may just do it as an object |
| 00:13.47 | DWSR | Making the game state an object would seem to make the most sense to me. |
| 00:13.59 | DWSR | Then you can just serialize the whole object and save. |
| 00:16.15 | Cide | yeah, you may be right |
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| 00:16.38 | DWSR | This is the internet. I'm always right. :P |
| 00:17.00 | Esamynn | ~lart DWSR |
| 00:17.00 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at DWSR |
| 00:17.09 | DWSR | dodges |
| 00:17.55 | Esamynn | lart is like Chaos Bolt, it *always* hits |
| 00:18.10 | Dagmar | Give it until the next patch. |
| 00:18.12 | Thunder_Child | Counter Spell |
| 00:18.13 | Dagmar | That'll change |
| 00:18.35 | DWSR | Esamynn: It doesn't always hit. |
| 00:18.38 | Esamynn | I said *like* not "the same as" |
| 00:18.56 | DWSR | purl isn't hit capped against me. |
| 00:19.05 | Esamynn | just because Chaos Bolt isn't perfect... :P |
| 00:19.05 | DWSR | is OVER 90000 |
| 00:19.15 | Esamynn | ~fail DWSR |
| 00:19.16 | purl | You suck at everything in life, DWSR. I hate you because you fail. |
| 00:19.18 | DWSR | dude, CB should break/go through pally bubble. |
| 00:19.27 | DWSR | Just like it did in beta. |
| 00:19.31 | Esamynn | DWSR: it's 9000, not 90000 :P |
| 00:19.37 | DWSR | yeah yeah, 1 too many zeros. |
| 00:19.41 | DWSR | Blow me etc. etc. |
| 00:19.51 | Esamynn | wins |
| 00:19.57 | theorbtwo | What's a factor of 10 between friends? |
| 00:20.02 | DWSR | :D |
| 00:20.21 | Esamynn | theorbtwo: a factor of 10 :P |
| 00:20.22 | Esamynn | duh! |
| 00:20.32 | DWSR | No... |
| 00:20.38 | DWSR | It's a factor of 10 between friends.\ |
| 00:20.49 | Cide | no... |
| 00:20.56 | Cide | It's a factor of 10 between friends. |
| 00:21.01 | DWSR | ~lart Cide |
| 00:21.01 | purl | teaches Cide the basics, including how to RTM |
| 00:21.09 | DWSR | hehe. |
| 00:21.30 | ZorbaBeta | so apparently walter cronkite just died |
| 00:21.46 | DWSR | I'd be more saddened if I knew who that was. |
| 00:21.55 | DWSR | Apparently, it's a bad summer to be a celebrity. |
| 00:22.05 | Dagmar | Perhaps if you were smarter |
| 00:22.15 | theorbtwo | Just after the 40th aniversary of the moon landing. I bet he would have thought that was pretty good timing. |
| 00:22.16 | DWSR | I'd be more of troll. |
| 00:22.41 | Dagmar | 6% of americans think Walter Cronkite is faking it |
| 00:22.50 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 00:23.01 | Esamynn | facepalms |
| 00:23.30 | DWSR | oh, and I'm not an American, so fuck CBS. |
| 00:24.01 | theorbtwo | You know what the best evidence that we really did land on the moon is? |
| 00:24.15 | DWSR | the conspiracy theories against it? |
| 00:24.16 | Esamynn | hey look, they really *did* land on the Moon: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html ;) |
| 00:24.17 | theorbtwo | 40 years, and nobody has said that they were in on it, blasted it wide open. |
| 00:24.43 | theorbtwo | We fucking know who deep throat is, and *NASA* has better opsec? |
| 00:24.58 | Esamynn | haha |
| 00:25.20 | Wobin | Esamynn: pft totally photoshopped |
| 00:25.27 | Esamynn | Wobin: I know, right? |
| 00:25.29 | Wobin | you can see where they used the Stamp tool =) |
| 00:25.50 | Wobin | My Landing Module is pasted on yey! =) |
| 00:26.33 | Dagmar | That's apretty compelling argument actually |
| 00:26.36 | Wobin | theorbtwo: that's because any possible dissenters are melted down to make "Astronaut Dry Ice Cream" |
| 00:26.41 | DWSR | Stupid question. |
| 00:26.48 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 00:26.51 | Wobin | Ridiculous Answer |
| 00:26.59 | DWSR | Why the hell are we taking pictures of the moon from orbit? |
| 00:27.04 | DWSR | And not...you know....landing on the moon? |
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| 00:27.14 | Thunder_Child | because we dont happen to have any cameras on the ground |
| 00:27.20 | Dagmar | DWSR: Because it makes it easier to keep fingers and football fans out of the shot |
| 00:27.21 | Wobin | DWSR: that costs more |
| 00:27.43 | DWSR | Wobin: Psh cost. |
| 00:27.54 | DWSR | I believe Dagmar. |
| 00:27.56 | Industrial | lets make a global government first |
| 00:28.07 | DWSR | And implement MAD? |
| 00:28.07 | Industrial | then research warp technology while vulcans land on earth |
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| 00:28.43 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction is way better. |
| 00:29.32 | Wobin | don't we already have that? |
| 00:29.35 | Industrial | ^ |
| 00:29.54 | Industrial | when the first nuke goes up in the air we're all royally fucked :D? |
| 00:30.06 | DWSR | Wobin: The only people who have that are the US and Russia. |
| 00:30.14 | DWSR | Wobin: We need to make sure EVERY country has enough nukes. |
| 00:30.23 | Wobin | well.. with nuclear capability... that's all that needs to happen =P |
| 00:30.34 | Wobin | cause if they Mutually Destroy each other |
| 00:30.40 | Wobin | the rest of us are screwed too =P |
| 00:30.50 | DWSR | Not neccessarily, but most like.y |
| 00:30.52 | DWSR | likely* |
| 00:30.52 | Dagmar | WHere've you been? |
| 00:30.57 | Dagmar | They did that back in the 90;s |
| 00:31.09 | Wobin | Well, Australia's always been a bit isolated |
| 00:31.17 | Wobin | I sometimes forget you're all just computer programs |
| 00:31.39 | Wobin | You're so -convincing- at times! |
| 00:31.49 | DWSR | hehe |
| 00:31.49 | Dagmar | You remember the shuttle thet blew up? It was _originally_ scheduled to go on that one |
| 00:32.18 | Wobin | Lets play a game |
| 00:32.43 | Wobin | Of Global Thermonuclear War |
| 00:33.35 | DWSR | dude, that game's awesome. |
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| 00:49.25 | msoul | Hey wobin |
| 00:50.07 | Wobin | hey msoul |
| 00:50.12 | msoul | dagmar: My stats now pretty decent for tanking |
| 00:50.55 | msoul | Wobin: i've finally got a "decent" gear/stats for tanking |
| 00:51.00 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 00:51.03 | msoul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 00:51.41 | msoul | the only thing though i noticed in UP heroic played with random, i am not sure if it is me or the healer but i loose hp pretty fast |
| 00:52.09 | msoul | i started tanking like few days ago if i remember correctly |
| 00:52.33 | msoul | 30k unbuffed |
| 00:52.40 | msoul | don't know why it shows 27 in armory |
| 00:52.53 | Wobin | not in frost presence when logged out? |
| 00:53.01 | msoul | i was |
| 00:53.05 | msoul | sec |
| 00:53.06 | Wobin | or maybe it doesn't include the 10% in the armoury |
| 00:53.31 | msoul | probably that |
| 00:53.59 | msoul | isn't it like this me getting all aggro and healers job is to keep me a live? |
| 00:54.43 | Wobin | kinda |
| 00:54.48 | msoul | hmm |
| 00:55.04 | Wobin | your job is to also have enough avoidance that you don't get hit as much =) |
| 00:55.22 | msoul | right |
| 00:55.28 | msoul | did you check my stats? |
| 00:55.31 | Wobin | incidentally, I'd shift the point from merciless combat to deathchill |
| 00:55.56 | Wobin | that's a personal preference, but I like the ability to have a crit HB on demand for aggro stacking |
| 00:56.07 | Wobin | especially frontloading aoe pulls |
| 00:56.16 | msoul | hmmm |
| 00:56.35 | Wobin | also, the 6% more damage isn't as useful to the tank imo |
| 00:56.46 | Wobin | especially since you -should- have a decent aggro lead at that point |
| 00:57.08 | msoul | yeah will get to that definitely |
| 00:57.24 | msoul | spent all my gold on stuff and JC :/ got like 2700 |
| 00:57.38 | msoul | sadly enough i cannot replace that kirin tor ring to the defence one |
| 00:57.58 | Wobin | you can if you get the defense trinket |
| 00:58.22 | Wobin | wait, which kirin tor ring? |
| 00:58.24 | msoul | hmm? you know that ring that costs 1000g |
| 00:58.30 | msoul | inscribed i think |
| 00:58.34 | msoul | is what i have for dps |
| 00:58.47 | msoul | the upcoming upgrade is etched..... |
| 00:59.16 | Wobin | oh yeah, cause you need the defense |
| 00:59.21 | Wobin | although you have the sigil |
| 00:59.32 | Wobin | I wouldn't like depending on the sigil for defense cap though |
| 00:59.48 | Wobin | especially since IT -can- miss with your hit rating |
| 01:00.06 | msoul | yeah just switched to this trinket i made |
| 01:00.08 | Wobin | Get the Seal of the Pantheon for extra defense |
| 01:00.17 | msoul | i had the one from nexus that has 50 hit |
| 01:00.29 | msoul | let me wowhead it |
| 01:00.38 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=36993 |
| 01:00.43 | msoul | ah right |
| 01:00.45 | msoul | from hol |
| 01:00.50 | Wobin | normal |
| 01:00.53 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 01:00.53 | msoul | yeah |
| 01:01.03 | msoul | i guess i will do that |
| 01:01.12 | Wobin | you've already got Essence, so that's good =) |
| 01:01.30 | msoul | i hate playing with pugs and the guild i recently joined didn't start nor will in the near future |
| 01:02.01 | msoul | oh yeah on that day i got really good loot :P essence the waist and the ring from dtk except i bought the two rings i am having now ;) |
| 01:02.36 | msoul | 10 more valor and i can buy that back or ring even |
| 01:02.44 | Dagmar | titanium rings == yum |
| 01:03.15 | Wobin | msoul: at least it's only normal =) |
| 01:03.16 | msoul | will get that recipe definitely :P |
| 01:03.21 | msoul | just got my jc to what it is |
| 01:03.25 | Wobin | you should be able to breeze through HoL normal with your gear =) |
| 01:03.44 | Wobin | only downside is that there will be no badges =( |
| 01:03.49 | msoul | Wobin: aw, solo it? guessi will give it a try ;) |
| 01:03.58 | Dagmar | msoul: Take lots of potions |
| 01:04.17 | msoul | i wish they give the opportunity to trade heroism to valor when the patch comes out |
| 01:04.25 | Dagmar | Not going to happen |
| 01:04.29 | msoul | i know |
| 01:04.30 | Wobin | hehe never |
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| 01:04.34 | msoul | i wish :( |
| 01:04.56 | Dagmar | The number of idjits complaining about the conversion the other way around and simultaneously yelling "25 man is harder!" was astounding as it is |
| 01:05.01 | msoul | the only thing i need just the vest from heroism |
| 01:05.27 | Dagmar | Turns out when you spend four nights a week raiding instead of associating with members of the opposite sex, you take your badges pretty seriously. |
| 01:06.03 | msoul | Dagmar: oh you should read the quote on wowhead about the guy who threatened quitting wow if you can get tier 9 from ulduar... the other dude answered "you wont quit and if you proved me wrong the world would be a better place" |
| 01:06.07 | msoul | or wow cannot remember |
| 01:06.29 | Dagmar | Yeah, the forum system could _really_ use a karma-based filter |
| 01:06.35 | msoul | hehe |
| 01:07.00 | msoul | if you ask me, i rather have the same eq as i have now... for uldu or whatever comes later |
| 01:07.13 | msoul | just ppl wont invite you nor you cannot survive in those raids |
| 01:07.19 | Dagmar | Have you gotten [Superior] yet? |
| 01:07.26 | msoul | only reason why i buy/get stuff |
| 01:07.31 | msoul | long ago hehe |
| 01:07.41 | Dagmar | Pfft. Then you're good for Ulduar |
| 01:07.57 | Dagmar | You should _at least_ be able to get in the door with that |
| 01:08.03 | msoul | haha |
| 01:08.13 | msoul | most players on kazzak are ....... |
| 01:08.20 | Wobin | blue chest? =\ |
| 01:08.22 | Dagmar | I kidna know the feeling |
| 01:08.30 | msoul | STATS AND ACHIEVEMENTS AND EPIC OR NO RESPOND |
| 01:08.32 | Dagmar | I've just given three epic cloaks away in the last month |
| 01:08.52 | Wobin | I'd try for the tier chest at least first before going to tank for ulduar |
| 01:09.10 | msoul | actually i am trying to get the vest from os 10 1 drake |
| 01:09.17 | msoul | dragon breatplate iirc |
| 01:09.29 | Dagmar | OMG |
| 01:09.42 | msoul | or me buying the heroism vest |
| 01:09.43 | Dagmar | I'll have to do more spreadsheets in the future |
| 01:09.50 | msoul | bout what |
| 01:09.58 | Dagmar | I'd no idea the northrend leatherworking spreadsheet I did got so many hit |
| 01:10.00 | Dagmar | s |
| 01:10.06 | Wobin | I use it! |
| 01:10.09 | Wobin | Or a copy at least |
| 01:10.15 | Wobin | I lost the link to the original =P |
| 01:10.25 | Wobin | well I kinda use it |
| 01:10.38 | Wobin | I've stopped doing much LW recently |
| 01:10.50 | Wobin | worked on my JC/inscrip |
| 01:11.04 | msoul | JC was a pain in my ass |
| 01:11.09 | Wobin | I do appreciate the work you put into it, however, Dagmar |
| 01:11.15 | Dagmar | Yeah, I gave those cloaks away partly just to get the frozen orbs out of my inventory and partly to have a heavy-handed way to say "Don't you dare criticize *my* gear when you're not done yet" |
| 01:11.17 | msoul | i got it to 446 yesterday now |
| 01:11.45 | Wobin | msoul: hehe the last few points are painful |
| 01:11.46 | msoul | Dagmar: gave it away for your guild or |
| 01:11.51 | Wobin | but what do you need 450 for? |
| 01:12.00 | Dagmar | Wobin: Well, if it makes any difference I was planning on adding the Ulduar recipes to it this weekend since I might actually get one |
| 01:12.02 | msoul | Wobin: i think the recipes |
| 01:12.23 | Wobin | msoul: there are only 440 ones, no? |
| 01:12.41 | msoul | Wobin: yeah the titanium ones 440 |
| 01:12.43 | Wobin | The titanium necks |
| 01:12.49 | msoul | and rings yeah |
| 01:12.50 | Dagmar | msoul: No, I gave away epic leatherworking cloaks to people who desperately needed tehm |
| 01:12.53 | Wobin | So, at 446 you're golden |
| 01:13.07 | Wobin | the rings are 430 req |
| 01:13.08 | msoul | Dagmar: aah that nerubian ones? |
| 01:13.10 | Dagmar | One ice striker's cloak to a hunter who was struggling to gear her alt and two durable nerubhide to tanks |
| 01:13.24 | msoul | Wobin: yeah just need to get the tokens for it :/ |
| 01:13.27 | Wobin | I <3 that cloak |
| 01:13.33 | Wobin | er the nerubhide |
| 01:13.46 | msoul | yeah nerubhide i bought it for 400 i think |
| 01:14.00 | msoul | was lucky to get the shoulders for 500g |
| 01:14.07 | msoul | few days back it was 1600g and up |
| 01:14.17 | Dagmar | I assume you mean the shoulders |
| 01:14.19 | Wobin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuusnu |
| 01:14.24 | Wobin | is my gear atm, though |
| 01:14.26 | msoul | Dagmar: yeah wapach's |
| 01:14.49 | Dagmar | Aw man |
| 01:14.53 | Dagmar | You have the skull cloak |
| 01:15.03 | Dagmar | is jealous |
| 01:15.15 | msoul | Wobin: drooling over your wep and waist + vest :P |
| 01:15.17 | Wobin | it looks cool! |
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| 01:15.32 | msoul | actually i want it all :( |
| 01:15.38 | Wobin | you'll get it! |
| 01:15.44 | msoul | vest, cloak, shoulder, waist |
| 01:15.46 | msoul | hehe |
| 01:16.07 | Wobin | I still need new bracers =( |
| 01:16.12 | Wobin | I -hate- the ones I have |
| 01:16.15 | Wobin | stupid shield block |
| 01:16.18 | msoul | Wobin: i'm beginning to hate raiding cause of idiots, hence me focusing on dailies/mining before and JC yesterday |
| 01:16.41 | Gnarfoz | <DWSR> Wobin: We need to make sure EVERY country has enough nukes. <-- you mean there are other countries outside of America? :P |
| 01:16.42 | Wobin | yeah, that can be terrible |
| 01:16.55 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: Oh of course not. |
| 01:17.00 | msoul | hmm, isn't it better to get the dalaran's ones for 25 valor i think or even more cannot remember |
| 01:17.07 | msoul | cause you don't need shield block |
| 01:17.07 | Wobin | If there are no countries outside of the US, you'll have no reason to bomb them, right? |
| 01:17.26 | Dagmar | We don't "need" to bomb anyone. |
| 01:17.29 | Dagmar | It's just fun! |
| 01:17.33 | msoul | haha |
| 01:17.34 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: good point, the US and Russia, then :D |
| 01:17.46 | Dagmar | I mean, if it weren't a lot of fun, why would suicide bombers do it? |
| 01:18.11 | Wobin | They get a blast out of doing it? |
| 01:18.20 | Dagmar | You betcha! |
| 01:18.30 | Wobin | msoul: probably =) I can also probably afford them now, or I can ask a guildy to buy them |
| 01:18.30 | msoul | what's chest drop by the way? :S |
| 01:18.35 | Nafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.42 | msoul | Wobin: lucky you |
| 01:18.47 | Gnarfoz | Brain 2.1, Nafe |
| 01:18.56 | Dagmar | Wafe: If you can handle it's "needy" nature, Comodo has a fine whitelist thing |
| 01:19.04 | Gnarfoz | a Darwin/God co-production |
| 01:19.15 | Dagmar | WARNING: If you put it into the "firmest" mode, it WILL keep you from running just about anything at all |
| 01:19.22 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: omg, you got the upgrade? |
| 01:19.40 | Dagmar | ...and there's the very slim chance that while in this mode it will occasionally fail on certain upgrades to itself, resulting in you having um, no whitelist |
| 01:19.45 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: upgrade? I don't know what you're talking about... who are you anyway? :P |
| 01:19.50 | Dagmar | That's always fun. |
| 01:19.57 | Wobin | only could afford the Brain 2.0 version |
| 01:20.07 | Dagmar | I've thrown a lot of stuff at Comodo with Tea Timer and survived. :) |
| 01:21.11 | msoul | two excellent choices wobin |
| 01:21.16 | msoul | herbalism and mining |
| 01:21.23 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:21.24 | msoul | I smell "caching" |
| 01:21.32 | Wobin | oh god mining, what a -terrible- skill to have to grind up |
| 01:21.33 | msoul | or kaching you get the idea :P |
| 01:21.47 | msoul | haha yeah |
| 01:21.50 | Dagmar | It's like mining in the fountain next door to the poorhouse |
| 01:22.01 | msoul | to be truthful though, it took me two days from outland to ice crown |
| 01:22.02 | Wobin | A word of advice to any propective DKs who want to take up mining and or herbing? |
| 01:22.05 | Dagmar | Tedious, but it eventually pays some bills |
| 01:22.12 | Wobin | Spec unholy for the pet and increased movement speed while you grind |
| 01:22.14 | msoul | the real pain was when i had to go to plaguelands |
| 01:22.28 | Wobin | goddamn thorium |
| 01:22.35 | Wobin | and mithril were -painful- |
| 01:22.37 | msoul | hahaha |
| 01:22.45 | msoul | YES especially if you pick JC |
| 01:23.03 | Wobin | Hehe, I'm using my DK to fuel my shammies JC/Inscription now =) |
| 01:23.03 | Dagmar | Heh. Woudln't it be nice if your pet could mine while you fight |
| 01:23.06 | Wobin | It works pretty well |
| 01:23.12 | Wobin | Dagmar: the other way around! |
| 01:23.17 | msoul | hahah |
| 01:23.20 | msoul | actually |
| 01:23.26 | msoul | you know of that spot for alliance in ice crown |
| 01:23.29 | Wobin | The pet can oneshot most of the mobs around the nodes at lower levels |
| 01:23.31 | msoul | foe their dailies i think |
| 01:23.45 | msoul | i sent my pet to keep them busy while i take the titanium ore |
| 01:23.46 | msoul | :P |
| 01:23.47 | Wobin | msoul: where there's a node? =P |
| 01:23.50 | Wobin | hehe yeah =) |
| 01:24.25 | Thunder_Child | what type of wireless interface device has the best range? |
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| 01:24.46 | Thunder_Child | err..not device, the type of wireless for HID's |
| 01:24.58 | theorbtwo | bluetooth? |
| 01:25.11 | Thunder_Child | is that a question? |
| 01:25.32 | theorbtwo | Thunder_Child: Do you mean "bluetooth" when you say "the type of wireless for HID's"? |
| 01:25.49 | msoul | brb |
| 01:26.02 | Thunder_Child | yes, BT, IR, RF |
| 01:26.34 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=78777.msg1166018#msg1166018 |
| 01:26.37 | Adys | some guy reported this post |
| 01:26.41 | Adys | saying his signature was "too big" |
| 01:28.20 | Nafe | ayahahh... leafychat.com decided to quit on me. Did anyone recommend anything other than Comodo? I was initially thinking avast! but I guess no one likes it.. hrmm? |
| 01:28.42 | Thunder_Child | does it have to be free Nafe? |
| 01:29.37 | Nafe | preferably free or a 1-time fee. Too many subscriptions are killer on my already in-debt self = |
| 01:29.47 | Dagmar | There's also AVG, but the point in using Comodo is really the whitelist |
| 01:30.40 | Dagmar | i.e., you can configure it to block ANY executeable it doesn't recognize |
| 01:30.40 | Thunder_Child | well to me all of the free ones are mostly the same to me |
| 01:30.40 | Dagmar | It just means it'll carp at you *lots* when you're doing some things |
| 01:31.00 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: wouldn't cellular 'wireless' have the best range? |
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| 01:31.51 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, HID's with regards to a computer |
| 01:32.10 | Wobin | WiFi then? |
| 01:32.35 | Wobin | I suspect it has a wider range than BT |
| 01:32.54 | Dagmar | What? |
| 01:32.55 | Wobin | although, that could mostly be due to the power behind the BT transmitter is usually very small |
| 01:32.59 | Dagmar | Are you joking? |
| 01:33.07 | Wobin | No I'm ignorant =) |
| 01:33.16 | Thunder_Child | but would that have issues with a wap |
| 01:33.20 | Wobin | I'm making wild guesses, cause no one else is making a statement =) |
| 01:33.23 | Bruners | anyone want to give me comments on my code? http://pastey.net/117666 |
| 01:33.26 | Dagmar | Oh. |
| 01:33.32 | Dagmar | Yes, Wifi has a MUCH larger range than Bluetooth |
| 01:33.42 | Dagmar | Bluetooth goes 30 feet on a good day with nothing in the way |
| 01:33.52 | Dagmar | Wifi goes 100 yards without walls in the way |
| 01:33.56 | Nafe | Dagmar & Thunder_Child: thanks for the advice. I will try out Comodo for the time being and possibly switch later if I don't like it |
| 01:33.59 | Dagmar | Generally at least half that *with* walls in the way |
| 01:34.03 | Wobin | then again, BT is -designed- more for close range stuff |
| 01:34.20 | Wobin | hands free items, etc etc |
| 01:34.41 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: what are you after? |
| 01:35.09 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, something of a HTPC setup, i will need a wireless mouse, keyboard and remote |
| 01:35.19 | Thunder_Child | for about 25-30 ft. |
| 01:35.27 | Wobin | Dagmar: but how much of that range is due to the transmitter being lower powered? Albeit on purpose, but maybe you -could- get a higher boosted one? |
| 01:35.30 | Thunder_Child | no walls |
| 01:35.37 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: BT is probably easiest |
| 01:36.45 | Wobin | at least in terms of getting the equipment |
| 01:37.01 | Adys | Bibi-: tu deconnes putain |
| 01:37.20 | Wobin | ~x fr en tu deconnes putain |
| 01:37.28 | Adys | WHAT |
| 01:37.29 | Wobin | =( |
| 01:37.43 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 01:37.44 | Wobin | so -terrible- Adys =( |
| 01:38.17 | Wobin | (and I was so expecting a totally innocent phrase, there =P) |
| 01:38.34 | Adys | i was saying "you kidding me" |
| 01:38.43 | Wobin | surrre =) |
| 01:38.46 | Adys | i fucking was |
| 01:38.57 | Wobin | purl is a -bad- girl! |
| 01:39.19 | Wobin | ~x en fr you talk cock whore |
| 01:39.25 | Adys | ROFL |
| 01:40.05 | Wobin | ~x en fr you kidding me? |
| 01:40.20 | Adys | ~x fr en vous parlez la putain de robinet |
| 01:40.20 | Wobin | slang translates terribly =( |
| 01:40.33 | Adys | this is more accurate |
| 01:41.13 | Wobin | For example, there is a slang phrase in cantonese that indicates getting it on with a flat chested woman |
| 01:41.30 | Wobin | however, the direct translation is "Hitting the Aeroplane" |
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| 01:42.16 | Wobin | Something to do with runways, I think =P |
| 01:42.18 | Nechckn | I'll need to record purl's translation, but add in a comma, for future use: "You talk, cock whore." is an awesome put down. |
| 01:43.07 | Thunder_Child | does IR require LoS? |
| 01:43.14 | Wobin | yes |
| 01:43.22 | Adys | ~x fr en you speak the whore about tap |
| 01:43.29 | Thunder_Child | hah |
| 01:43.31 | Adys | er |
| 01:43.33 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:43.35 | Wobin | butt tap =) |
| 01:43.38 | Torhal | Haha |
| 01:43.47 | Adys | ~x en fr you speak the whore about tap |
| 01:44.00 | Adys | yeha i give up this is way fucked |
| 01:44.16 | Wobin | it's a never ending game of Chinese Whispers =) |
| 01:44.21 | Thunder_Child | well purl wins todays awesome award |
| 01:44.32 | Nafe | Bruners: you should also make local variables for GetTrackingInfo() and SetTracking(), and possibly print(), tostring(), and tonumber() too |
| 01:45.03 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: if we could put it into the topic, I totally would |
| 01:45.59 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, there are numerous OP's, go start poking |
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| 01:55.20 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, bug Shirik, he would prolly do it |
| 02:00.44 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: well we try to keep the topic at least a little clean =P |
| 02:01.00 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, we do? |
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| 03:30.02 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:30.06 | Shirik | someone made a trail of feasts in dalaran |
| 03:30.15 | Cairenn | returns, and toasts the channel with a rum cooler, "Yay for weekends" |
| 03:30.23 | Shirik | it isn't weekend yet |
| 03:30.27 | Cairenn | it is here |
| 03:30.35 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 03:30.40 | Shirik | it's 11:30 |
| 03:30.51 | Gnarfoz | it's 05:30 ;o |
| 03:31.15 | Cairenn | 23:30 Friday == weekend, in my books :p |
| 03:31.56 | Thunder_Child | your books need an auditor |
| 03:32.04 | Gnarfoz | well, you don't follow a "normal" monday-friday work week, though, right? ;) |
| 03:32.40 | Cairenn | me? rofl, you're joking, right? if I'm awake and at my computer, I'm at work |
| 03:34.29 | Gnarfoz | exactly what I was saying ;) |
| 03:34.41 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:34.57 | Gnarfoz | people stuck in a mon-fri work week would probably not think of friday morning as "weekend" ^^ |
| 03:35.01 | Cairenn | besides, I've gotta get some practice in |
| 03:35.28 | Gnarfoz | and I should get to setting up my server =[ |
| 03:35.38 | Cairenn | umm, how does 23:30 Friday == Friday morning |
| 03:36.45 | Gnarfoz | huh |
| 03:36.57 | Gnarfoz | shit I lost track of what day it is again :( |
| 03:37.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:37.53 | Cairenn | that's why I have a clock and calendar on my desktop and on my web browser and on my ... because with the hours I keep, I'd never know what time it was, let alone what day of the week |
| 03:38.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.39 | Gnarfoz | nevermind me then, that means I gotta pick up some stuff for a bbq tonight, sometime before... well, before that bbq starts. I don't quite know how that will fit into my plans but I guess I'll have to juggle some things around ^^ |
| 03:39.17 | Dagmar | Try a 12 hour schedule repeating over two weeks, 2 off, 2 on, 3 off, 2 on, 2 off, 3 on. |
| 03:39.22 | Dagmar | THAT will screw your clock |
| 03:39.23 | Gnarfoz | at least it's not at my place, that would have meant total disaster ;o |
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| 03:40.41 | Gnarfoz | I've given up on imposing schedules upon myself while not employed, it'll just frustrate me even more ;p |
| 04:03.42 | Wobin | It's been saturday for ages now! |
| 04:03.53 | Wobin | Hello from the future! |
| 04:03.56 | Cairenn | It's Saturday here too! |
| 04:04.09 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 04:04.14 | Wobin | is officially 'old' today |
| 04:04.26 | Thunder_Child | another birthday? |
| 04:04.39 | Wobin | well, they only tend to happen once a year |
| 04:04.44 | Wobin | at least for me |
| 04:04.47 | Wobin | I dunno about you |
| 04:05.18 | Thunder_Child | what can i say, i like presents. i may be 60 but i look like i am in my mid 20's |
| 04:06.55 | Wobin | oh DEAR GOD |
| 04:06.56 | Wobin | http://www.examiner.com/x-4908-Twilight-Examiner~y2009m7d15-Twilight-fan-cliffdives-where-Bella-did-Quileute-Nation-not-responsible-for-the-incident |
| 04:07.03 | Wobin | I suppose |
| 04:07.06 | Wobin | it's natural selection |
| 04:07.15 | Wobin | but dear dear god >< |
| 04:07.54 | Thunder_Child | if it was natural selection they would not have been rescued |
| 04:07.57 | Wobin | They truly -are- like lemmings |
| 04:08.05 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: yeah, that's human intervention |
| 04:08.12 | Wobin | But soon they will succeed |
| 04:08.20 | Wobin | And the rest of the world will rejoyce |
| 04:08.26 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail Humanity |
| 04:08.27 | purl | Humanity, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Humanity, you are that epic failure. |
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| 04:15.54 | NightHawkTheSane | "S.A.R.A.H! Beer Me! ... I love this house." |
| 04:17.08 | Thunder_Child | who doesnt love eureka |
| 04:17.26 | theorbtwo | puts hands *down*. |
| 04:17.34 | Thunder_Child | get out |
| 04:17.36 | Thunder_Child | now |
| 04:17.51 | Thunder_Child | though i wonder why your hands were up in the first place |
| 04:18.57 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/changelog |
| 04:18.59 | Adys | Hurray \o/ |
| 04:19.16 | theorbtwo | Huh? I was just making sure nobody accidentally thought I didn't love eureka. |
| 04:20.01 | Thunder_Child | well you seem to have failed at that....since thats what i thought |
| 04:20.26 | Wobin | understood theorbtwo just fine |
| 04:20.38 | Wobin | Thunder_Child clearly needs to learn more about double negatives |
| 04:21.30 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 | Wobin is old today! |
| 04:21.43 | Wobin | gets his zimmerframe |
| 04:21.43 | Shirik | cheers at Wobin |
| 04:22.05 | Wobin | I have apparently passed the point where I should have a respectable management position job |
| 04:22.11 | Wobin | =( |
| 04:22.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:22.24 | theorbtwo | Wobin: According to whom? |
| 04:22.39 | Wobin | my family, I guess =) |
| 04:23.34 | NightHawkTheSane | management is for morons |
| 04:23.48 | Wobin | I should have gone into government work |
| 04:23.54 | Wobin | then I'd never be out of a job |
| 04:23.57 | Wobin | just bored to death |
| 04:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* bored and with a job is better than not bored and unemployed |
| 04:24.37 | Wobin | indeed |
| 04:24.53 | Thunder_Child | i'm bored and unemployed |
| 04:25.06 | Wobin | yeah, that's the worst of the lot =( |
| 04:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: read some books |
| 04:25.27 | Thunder_Child | i will be unbored when i get my new vid card however |
| 04:25.55 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, cant, just finished the new ones i bought and i have to wait a bit before i get some more |
| 04:26.08 | theorbtwo | library++ |
| 04:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | introduce yourself to your local library |
| 04:26.44 | Thunder_Child | i have library cards for 3 different citys around here, however i do not have easy access to any of them |
| 04:26.56 | Thunder_Child | the "local" one is under construction |
| 04:27.02 | Thunder_Child | for the last several years |
| 04:27.10 | theorbtwo | Ah. Joy. |
| 04:27.20 | theorbtwo | I think you said something earlier about government work? |
| 04:27.33 | Thunder_Child | Wobin did |
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| 04:40.22 | Conexion | In my OnLoad method I call a function that is supposed to display the current money via GetMoney(), but on load it displays that I have 0 money... only once it goes into my event method does it show the correct amount |
| 04:40.26 | Conexion | any ideas? |
| 04:40.43 | Wobin | perhaps money amount isn't updated til after load |
| 04:41.46 | Conexion | Are there work-arounds for things like that? Or maybe use on update? |
| 04:41.52 | Conexion | OnUpdate* |
| 04:42.38 | Conexion | Of course canceling once the user has more than 0 money... but then it may cause slow down if the user has 0 money |
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| 04:44.15 | Conexion | Oh nevermind - "GetMoney() will return a 0 when called from ADDON_LOADED. Call from PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD " |
| 04:46.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, what spelling thing did you have issue with on devart? |
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| 04:59.44 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Shirik |
| 04:59.45 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 05:00.45 | Shirik | damn it Thunder_Child |
| 05:00.49 | Shirik | now you ruined my score |
| 05:01.00 | Thunder_Child | seriosly? peggle again |
| 05:01.09 | Thunder_Child | seriously* |
| 05:01.32 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ed4ae0ca238ceb84ca866eb086f8fee1.jpg |
| 05:01.40 | Shirik | new high score hells yeah |
| 05:01.53 | kd3 | hm |
| 05:02.06 | kd3 | gotta admit they adapted book six a bit differently than I expected them to |
| 05:02.07 | Thunder_Child | it jas a pause button you know |
| 05:02.08 | kd3 | still, pretty good |
| 05:02.13 | Thunder_Child | has* |
| 05:02.22 | Thunder_Child | "21:46.57Â Â Â Â Â Â Thunder_Child: Shirik, what spelling thing did you have issue with on devart?" |
| 05:02.25 | Shirik | anyway I forgetg |
| 05:02.30 | Shirik | they spelled something the brit way though |
| 05:02.33 | Shirik | I think favourites maybe |
| 05:02.37 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure that's what it was |
| 05:02.39 | Thunder_Child | right |
| 05:04.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i'll make sure to ask them tomorrow -> http://hq.deviantart.com/blog/26003764/ |
| 05:04.37 | Conexion | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is supposed to happen right after everything loads. . . yet when I write an event handler for it, it doesn't fire. . . anybody have any ideas? |
| 05:05.12 | theorbtwo | Conexion: IIRC, it doesn't happen if you just reloadui, you need to actually log out and back in. |
| 05:05.23 | Conexion | I tried that =/ |
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| 05:10.15 | Conexion | Any other events that I could try that fire on load? |
| 05:10.24 | Conexion | VARIABLES_LOADED didn't work either |
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| 05:18.18 | Conexion | PLAYER_LOGIN isn't working either, but PLAYER_MONEY does |
| 05:19.38 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 05:19.39 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:20.10 | Conexion | No ideas? |
| 05:20.35 | Shirik | owie |
| 05:20.40 | Shirik | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception |
| 05:20.46 | Shirik | Program:C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe |
| 05:20.46 | Shirik | Exception:0xE0000001 (unknown exception) at 0023:758798F6 |
| 05:20.53 | Shirik | Conexion: What are you trying to do |
| 05:21.18 | Conexion | When you log in, i want the addon to check how much money the player has |
| 05:21.33 | Shirik | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is what you want |
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| 05:22.35 | Conexion | I tried that, it didn't do it |
| 05:24.17 | Shirik | I think you did it wrong then |
| 05:24.19 | Shirik | try harder |
| 05:24.28 | Lothaer | hey shirik |
| 05:25.08 | Conexion | Ha, my exact Lua code right now - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117690 |
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| 05:25.53 | Lothaer | Shirik minion dosnt like AtlaslOOT |
| 05:25.55 | Lothaer | LOOT* |
| 05:26.19 | Shirik | Conexion: You're using XML, so I can't help you |
| 05:26.28 | Shirik | Lothaer: More details would be preferable |
| 05:27.14 | Lothaer | i download it with minion, once its all downloaded/updated i exit out of minion and next time i open it AtlsaLoot isnt listed |
| 05:28.27 | Shirik | then it probably got associated with another folder |
| 05:28.30 | Shirik | such as a library it holds |
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| 05:33.36 | Lothaer | sigh |
| 05:33.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:34.47 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 05:34.54 | Shirik | I love the APNIC whois tech address |
| 05:35.04 | Shirik | search-apnic-not-arin@apnic.net |
| 05:35.31 | Gnarfoz | <kd3> gotta admit they adapted book six a bit differently than I expected them to <-- they could've made two movies out of each book since at least book 4 imho ^^ |
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| 05:37.39 | Lothaer | yeah the 6th movie was (imo) better than all the other movies but still sucked compared to the book |
| 05:38.00 | Lothaer | although the scene were the burrow gets burned down i think that should have been in the book |
| 05:38.44 | Gnarfoz | found that scene kind of awkward, without reading the book it doesn't actually make any sense to be there ;\ |
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| 05:39.23 | Gnarfoz | i.e. having read the book you can figure out what it's supposed to replace (Death Eater attacks on people, all over the place, littered througout the book) |
| 05:40.00 | Gnarfoz | and I wonder what the deal with the changes that will affect the last film is |
| 05:41.18 | Lothaer | i didnt like the 1srt scene (dumbledore getting harry) or the arrival on the train, i liked the slug party with the exception of the human waiters (shoulda been house elves), didnt like were harry and giny had their first kiss, the cave scenes were goood minus all the golums :D |
| 05:41.38 | Gnarfoz | oh yeah, gollums were fucking weird |
| 05:41.44 | Lothaer | the last fils is being made into 2 films, to fill in all the gaps |
| 05:42.15 | Gnarfoz | yeah I know, but that has been considered (rightfully) and been decided against (meh) for every film since #4 |
| 05:42.21 | Lothaer | the scene were dumbledore died was ok, felt weird seeing Snape tell harry to be quiet |
| 05:42.47 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you get a different impression about his allegiance from the book than from the film |
| 05:43.07 | Lothaer | i wanna know who decied to cut the epic hogwarts battle i wanna slit their throat |
| 05:43.29 | Gnarfoz | I was like "ok, there's about 20 minutes of the movie missing *right here*" lol |
| 05:43.32 | Nechckn | they need material for the DVD "extras" |
| 05:43.41 | Gnarfoz | this is not LotR, Nechckn :\ |
| 05:43.46 | Lothaer | the hogwarts battle is like a OMG MUST HAVE SCENE |
| 05:43.59 | kd3 | that |
| 05:44.03 | Lothaer | kinda like the Voldemorte vs Dumbledore battle in the 5th movie |
| 05:44.13 | kd3 | I was pretty disappointed that the hogwarts fight didn't happen |
| 05:44.19 | Lothaer | ditto |
| 05:44.31 | Lothaer | did you hear about Emma's new movie? |
| 05:45.16 | Gnarfoz | well, nobody relevant dies, and they made Harry use all of the Felix Felicis for himself, so that's both ends of that tied up, too and they just cut it |
| 05:45.17 | Gnarfoz | :X |
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| 05:46.40 | Lothaer | the important part of that is were bill gets attacked but Greyback |
| 05:47.11 | Gnarfoz | *shrug8 |
| 05:47.22 | Gnarfoz | the entire hospital wing scene where that concludes isn't there, either anyway |
| 05:47.34 | Lothaer | there is 2 things thats pissed me off most about all the movies |
| 05:47.44 | Lothaer | or the Funeral |
| 05:47.50 | Gnarfoz | including the Phoenix Lament (which is kind-of there at the end) |
| 05:48.09 | Lothaer | 1) they have excluded Peeves from every single movie and |
| 05:48.12 | Gnarfoz | yeah, wtf @ funeral missing, that's one of the two things that they'll have to somehow handle in movie 7.1 |
| 05:48.19 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:48.25 | Lothaer | 2) HARRY'S EYES ARE FUCKING GREEN NOT BLUE GIVE DAN FUCKING CONTACTS |
| 05:48.25 | Shirik | yall need to stop talking about these details |
| 05:48.50 | Lothaer | sorry rant done :D |
| 05:48.52 | Gnarfoz | Lothaer: apparently Daniel's eyes don't react well to them |
| 05:48.59 | Lothaer | boohoo |
| 05:49.15 | Gnarfoz | how's that important really ;o |
| 05:49.17 | Lothaer | we have the technology they can edit them with computers |
| 05:49.22 | Gnarfoz | Ginny's eye color is wrong, too :P |
| 05:49.48 | Lothaer | true |
| 05:49.57 | Conexion | Anybody have any ideas why WoW doesn't seem to want to get how much money the user has? - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117690 |
| 05:50.13 | Gnarfoz | so... postfix & courier? qmail? exim? :\ can't decide |
| 05:50.28 | Shirik | postfix & courier |
| 05:51.14 | Gnarfoz | (that's what I was running before, too, worked quite well) |
| 05:52.40 | Lothaer | does anyone know if Emma has agreed to do the final movies? |
| 05:53.42 | Gnarfoz | she has |
| 05:54.10 | Lothaer | TINY SPOILERS for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, even though you should really read the damn book already. Yates answered a question about the book's epilogue, in which we see Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny as adults, seeing their own children off on the Hogwarts Express. "We will be delivering that at the end of Part 7, Part 2," Yates promised. "Were looking at various options of how we do it." |
| 05:54.11 | Shirik | why wouldn't youi |
| 05:54.13 | Gnarfoz | (what kind of a dick move would it have been not to, even though that wasn't her reasoning) |
| 05:54.14 | Lothaer | thats cool |
| 05:54.19 | Shirik | stabs Lothaer |
| 05:54.25 | Shirik | stab stab |
| 05:54.27 | Shirik | stab |
| 05:54.34 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:54.38 | Lothaer | sorry Shiril |
| 05:54.41 | Lothaer | k* |
| 05:54.46 | Lothaer | seriously read the darn bools |
| 05:54.49 | Lothaer | books* |
| 05:54.52 | Shirik | it's on my bookshelf |
| 05:54.54 | Lothaer | meh my engrish sucks atm |
| 05:54.54 | Shirik | I just don't have time |
| 05:54.58 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:54.59 | Wobin | well, get to it! |
| 05:55.15 | Gnarfoz | unplug your internet while you're at it, too |
| 05:55.15 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 05:55.21 | Lothaer | the books are over 9000 times better than the movies |
| 05:55.48 | Gnarfoz | and at least 100% complete. |
| 05:55.48 | Shirik | I've read the first 5 |
| 05:55.48 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 05:55.54 | Shirik | I actually swore never to see the movies |
| 05:56.02 | Shirik | because it will screw up my interpretation of the books |
| 05:56.51 | Arrowmaster | i think i read the first 5 too or something |
| 05:56.53 | Wobin | zomg |
| 05:56.59 | Wobin | I have the same birthday as Nelson Mandela? |
| 05:57.06 | Wobin | I never knew that =P |
| 05:57.08 | Shirik | no |
| 05:57.12 | Shirik | he has the same birthday as you |
| 05:57.22 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:57.26 | Wobin | he's looking pretty damn good for 91 |
| 05:58.03 | Shirik | ok night night |
| 05:59.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is such a flake |
| 06:00.55 | Lothaer | lol |
| 06:01.12 | Lothaer | you know for a 63 year old Alan Rickman plays Snape very well :D |
| 06:01.26 | Wobin | Alan Rickman plays Alan Rickman very well |
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| 06:07.50 | Gnarfoz | Alan Rickman rocks ;o |
| 06:08.18 | Gnarfoz | btw, young Tom Riddle is creepy as fuck. |
| 06:08.39 | Gnarfoz | (and funnily enough, played by Ralph Fiennes' nephew) |
| 06:11.48 | Lothaer | awesome lol |
| 06:12.03 | Lothaer | young Tom Riddle played his part well :D |
| 06:27.02 | Lothaer | you know in the movie you never hear what the other horcruxes might be |
| 06:27.25 | kd3 | saving that for 7.1 |
| 06:27.28 | kd3 | most likely |
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| 06:49.34 | Gnarfoz | how do I found out which options something was compiled with? |
| 06:49.40 | Gnarfoz | (is there a generic way somehow?) |
| 06:54.12 | Adys | on linux when you tell an application to quit, which signal is sent to the application generally? |
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| 07:09.43 | Wobin | sigquit? |
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| 07:23.07 | kd3 | sigterm afaik |
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| 07:33.03 | Adys | was sigterm ya |
| 07:33.12 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ping |
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| 07:41.35 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, you also share a bday with vin diesel |
| 07:42.01 | Thunder_Child | and Paul Verhoeven |
| 07:42.15 | WobWork | weird =) |
| 07:44.08 | Conexion | Anybody have any ideas why WoW doesn't seem to want to get how much money the user has? - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117690 |
| 07:46.42 | Adys | maybe its very greedy |
| 07:48.24 | Iriel | You didn't register for PEW |
| 07:48.25 | Conexion | That's what I'm guessing, I can't seem to find anything that works :p I just want to know the money on load! |
| 07:48.30 | Conexion | PEW? |
| 07:48.35 | Adys | player enter world |
| 07:48.53 | Conexion | Oh crap |
| 07:48.55 | Conexion | such a simple mistake |
| 07:49.05 | Iriel | Hopefully you wont make it again 8-) |
| 07:49.06 | Conexion | I hate those >_< |
| 07:49.08 | Conexion | haha |
| 07:49.09 | Iriel | We all do it at least once |
| 07:49.13 | Conexion | you only learn from them! |
| 07:50.23 | Conexion | Huge thanks :) |
| 07:50.30 | Conexion | Been fighting with that for the past few hours |
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| 07:54.53 | Thunder_Child | ...I am reading a post titled Sorcerer Chaos Bolt. i do a search for Chaos Bolt on the entire forum. 0 freakin returns |
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| 08:25.14 | Conexion | I'm assuming that since I can't find any information on it anywhere, there is no increment/decrement operator in Lua? eg: x =+ 10 |
| 08:28.35 | Bruners | Conexion: x = x + 10 |
| 08:28.47 | Conexion | Well yeah :p |
| 08:29.27 | Conexion | I just like being lazy when you have things like Addon_Options.Thingy = Addon_Options.Thingy + 1 |
| 08:31.25 | cbreak | lua has a very small instruction set |
| 08:31.34 | cbreak | increment and decrement operators aren't part of it |
| 08:33.43 | Conexion | It's all good :) just curious |
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| 08:38.53 | WobWork | hm |
| 08:38.56 | WobWork | and Richard Branson |
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| 08:49.30 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: Sounds like WAR |
| 08:50.52 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, D&D |
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| 10:17.28 | TopTop18 | If an if statement is true the chunk of code get's run and the following elseif and else statements get skipped right? Is it possible to continue comparing? So it doesn;t skip the elseif and else statements if the first if returns true? |
| 10:24.02 | cbreak | yes |
| 10:24.04 | cbreak | start a new if |
| 10:24.34 | cbreak | also note that the else and else if are optional |
| 10:25.28 | TopTop18 | Ah must've thought of a new if xD Thanks! |
| 10:30.48 | mikma | if what |
| 10:30.50 | mikma | then? |
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| 10:49.59 | Industrial | Anyone with python knowledge in here? |
| 10:51.40 | mikma | hisss HISS hisss |
| 10:51.40 | Cairenn | a reptile of the boa constrictor family, subfamily Pythoninae |
| 10:52.32 | Industrial | *facepalm* |
| 10:54.15 | mikma | highfives cairenn! |
| 10:54.19 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 11:11.16 | TopTop18 | Could someone give feedback on my current code? toc: http://pastey.net/117705 XML: http://pastey.net/117706 lua: http://pastey.net/117707 |
| 11:11.48 | TopTop18 | I'll be happy with anything, from style to typo's |
| 11:11.49 | foxlit | The highligher thinks your code doesn't parse. |
| 11:12.16 | TopTop18 | Hmm? |
| 11:12.21 | foxlit | [lua: the last end having a non-white background indicates that it couldn't be matched to any block-beginning statement] |
| 11:13.05 | Gnarfoz_ | awesome solution to everything: |
| 11:13.06 | Gnarfoz_ | dovecot: Time just moved backwards by 64 seconds. This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself now. |
| 11:13.17 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:13.34 | foxlit | Gnarfoz_: clearly missing "and wake up in 64 seconds." |
| 11:13.50 | Gnarfoz_ | missing sanity, too :o |
| 11:14.13 | TopTop18 | Foxlit, can you see what's wrong, as I can;t see any fails :S |
| 11:15.10 | Gnarfoz_ | oh great |
| 11:15.13 | TopTop18 | And according to my Notepad++ everything's fine :S |
| 11:15.29 | Gnarfoz_ | this is because of Debian's packages being fucking ancient once again |
| 11:15.30 | Gnarfoz_ | :D |
| 11:15.39 | foxlit | Amazingly, GeSHi >> Notepad++ |
| 11:16.22 | TopTop18 | What's GeSHi? |
| 11:17.54 | foxlit | the syntax highlighter pastey uses, presumably. |
| 11:18.28 | TopTop18 | Okay and that think's it doesn;t parses, point out the error then, as i can;t find it :S |
| 11:18.37 | foxlit | It's the difference between "oh hey, this is a keyword, let's highlight it" and "oh hey, this keyboard makes no sense here, let's whine at you" |
| 11:19.02 | TopTop18 | keyboars=keyword? xD |
| 11:19.08 | TopTop18 | *keyboard |
| 11:19.14 | foxlit | indeed. |
| 11:19.39 | TopTop18 | Okay so there's an error |
| 11:19.52 | TopTop18 | Now the question what's the error, anyone? |
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| 11:31.47 | TopTop18 | Noone? :( |
| 11:32.16 | Fisker | Opera. "QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ" |
| 11:32.25 | Fisker | s/Opera./Opera:/ |
| 11:33.37 | Bruners | hugs Fisker |
| 11:34.27 | Fisker | Opera wants Microsoft to include a selection of Browsers with Windows |
| 11:34.29 | Fisker | = i lol'd |
| 11:36.48 | TopTop18 | Yep they wnat to much from microsoft xD Be happy it doesn;t include IE anymore |
| 11:37.25 | sacarasc | Which means people get to use FTP to download a different browser! |
| 11:37.59 | foxlit | Meh. People will just get a browser pre-installed by the PC manufacturers. |
| 11:38.33 | foxlit | non-people, such as those intending to upgrade using a purchased or pirated EU Windows distribution, don't count. |
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| 11:43.35 | sacarasc | FTP is quick and easy to use... http://b3509b001b8c4ab2.paste.se/ see! |
| 11:50.35 | cbreak | foxlit: you can't upgrade with EU Windows 7 |
| 11:50.54 | foxlit | cbreak: figuratively speaking, the Vista -> 7 transition is still an "upgrade" |
| 11:51.05 | foxlit | Even if the installation mechanic is "wipe everything and install a new copy" |
| 11:51.21 | cbreak | I am a computer scientist, I don't speak figuratively. |
| 11:51.48 | Bruners | Fisker: if they include Opera they kinda have to include all browsers there is |
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| 12:20.21 | Fisker | indeed Bruners |
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| 12:28.43 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 12:28.52 | bluspacecow | http://www.cracked.com/blog/understanding-the-world-of-warcraft-using-super-mario-brothers/ |
| 12:29.27 | foxlit | again? |
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| 12:33.15 | bluspacecow | Dear Kaelten. I love you for closing that ridiculous thread with the guy who wanted curses acct books and that you were were all incomponent. TY - Bluspacecow |
| 12:36.04 | bluspacecow | wtf |
| 12:36.04 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr_h5-I_yks&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cracked.com%2Farticle_17510_5-ways-people-are-taking-harry-potter-waaay-too-seriously.html&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:36.39 | bluspacecow | its friggin rugby with broomsticks betwee your legs! |
| 12:36.49 | jnwhiteh | bluspacecow: which thread was this? |
| 12:37.00 | bluspacecow | http://www.cracked.com/article_17510_5-ways-people-are-taking-harry-potter-waaay-too-seriously.html |
| 12:37.13 | jnwhiteh | noi, the curse thread |
| 12:37.15 | bluspacecow | "5 ways people take harry potter waaay too seriously |
| 12:37.20 | bluspacecow | oh hang on |
| 12:37.37 | bluspacecow | http://my.curse.com/forums/p/82905/518670.aspx#518670 |
| 12:38.06 | bluspacecow | he (pngguy) still hasn't answered my 1 simple question |
| 12:38.26 | bluspacecow | "why does it matter to you . does your $20 buy you a seat on their board of directors?" |
| 12:39.54 | foxlit | It's a silly question. |
| 12:40.13 | foxlit | Because it recurses all to easily --> "Why does it matter to you why it matters to him?" |
| 12:40.27 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 12:40.28 | bluspacecow | i see |
| 12:40.45 | bluspacecow | i just dont see how |
| 12:41.02 | bluspacecow | paying what $20 / month means you need a profit and loss acct from the company involved |
| 12:41.39 | bluspacecow | it shouldn't matter to him as the curse staff aren't answerable to him in any way ...if he doesn't want to pay the price for premium then he simply doesn't pay |
| 12:42.07 | bluspacecow | maybe when I go to Burger King next ill ask how much they take in every day |
| 12:42.25 | bluspacecow | then go to Mc'Ds as they obviously incomptent there |
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| 12:47.18 | Fisker | fucking shitty programming and copy protection >:E |
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| 13:09.46 | foxlit | gr. |
| 13:10.49 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/bg.png |
| 13:11.10 | foxlit | <pre> overflows out of its enclosing container and resizes the browser window. |
| 13:11.37 | foxlit | unfortunately, the parent <div> elements aren't resized with it, so my poor background doesn't fill the empty space :( |
| 13:13.51 | cbreak | overflow: hidden; |
| 13:14.02 | foxlit | But that'd break text layout |
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| 13:14.29 | foxlit | (in that you wouldn't be able to see the end of the line text) |
| 13:14.46 | cbreak | overflow: scroll; might be better. |
| 13:15.27 | foxlit | In-page scroll bars annoy me. |
| 13:19.11 | foxlit | pre { white-space:pre-wrap; } could be interesting |
| 13:21.05 | WobWork | awesome |
| 13:21.19 | Wobin | My birthday present from my father |
| 13:21.23 | Wobin | his Canon 5D |
| 13:22.55 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 13:23.04 | bluspacecow | i want to see IRL photo of wobin |
| 13:23.08 | bluspacecow | and a jar of vegemite |
| 13:24.36 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:28.22 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/63562f83fed422b0d0834f070cecc76c.jpg |
| 13:28.31 | Wobin | the vegemite took me a little time to get |
| 13:29.18 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 13:29.22 | bluspacecow | dats a doggie ! |
| 13:30.22 | foxlit | is confused. |
| 13:31.44 | Wobin | My full nick is Wobin d'Wonderdog |
| 13:31.44 | Wobin | how it evolved into that, is a tale for another day =P |
| 13:36.24 | foxlit | oh wow |
| 13:36.35 | foxlit | foreach ($foo as &$v) is biting me in the ass. |
| 13:36.48 | Wobin | that... is painfully referential |
| 13:36.51 | foxlit | It KEEPS $v as a reference to the last iterated element OUTSIDE the block. |
| 13:37.16 | foxlit | so when I then do foreach ($bar as $v), that REASSIGNS the last element in $foo |
| 13:37.27 | Wobin | mmm, side effecty |
| 13:37.36 | Wobin | well... not really, I guess |
| 13:37.48 | foxlit | I was kind of expecting it to go out of scope. |
| 13:37.49 | Wobin | but that may bite you in the arse later =P |
| 13:38.56 | foxlit | Meet the awesome foreach ($foo as &$v) {} unset($v); construction |
| 13:39.18 | Wobin | why do you -want- to unassign the last element in $foo? |
| 13:39.54 | foxlit | But that's not what it does. |
| 13:40.20 | foxlit | It only destroys the reference. |
| 13:40.29 | Wobin | why set it in the first place |
| 13:40.30 | Wobin | ? |
| 13:41.00 | foxlit | Because I want to modify the values in the original array |
| 13:43.21 | foxlit | all in all, this is hardly elegant :( |
| 13:44.16 | bluspacecow | anyone got a european wow account ? |
| 13:44.29 | sacarasc | Europeans, mainly. |
| 13:45.06 | bluspacecow | i need someone to post something on the european PTR forums |
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| 13:47.58 | mikma | does UNIT_SPELLCAST_START give you arenaID's? |
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| 13:48.26 | industrial | aaand im back |
| 13:48.31 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 13:48.35 | bluspacecow | *runs* |
| 13:48.37 | industrial | downtime on my shell after 3 years :-( |
| 13:48.52 | bluspacecow | shell ? |
| 13:49.24 | industrial | I log into a pc somewhere else, and my irc client runs there day and night, I can disengage and even engage back again on my cellphone and dont miss anything :p |
| 13:49.44 | bluspacecow | dear lord |
| 13:49.45 | Aelobin | argh curse comments wont work >_> |
| 13:49.51 | bluspacecow | what if your dog slobbers your phone and turns it on |
| 13:50.04 | bluspacecow | all we'ld see would be *asdfarew324234sefasfwer3424234 |
| 13:50.25 | industrial | I don't have a dog, and youll see that often enough when I'm drunk/stoned =D |
| 13:50.31 | bluspacecow | i wonder if a dog has eaten an iphone yet |
| 13:50.38 | industrial | probably |
| 13:50.45 | bluspacecow | so funny |
| 13:50.52 | industrial | nice xray; "hey is that the new model?" |
| 13:51.19 | bluspacecow | in movie theatre "sorry guys gotta go outside and turn off my dog" |
| 13:51.59 | industrial | squeeze his belly to dial |
| 13:52.05 | industrial | receiving end going "you sound so far away" |
| 13:52.28 | Aelobin | how do you... charge it? |
| 13:52.43 | bluspacecow | well sorry but spot wanted to play fetch the stick |
| 13:52.58 | bluspacecow | attach dog to live transformer |
| 13:53.19 | industrial | plug it into his nose :p |
| 13:53.36 | Wobin | Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend |
| 13:53.41 | Wobin | Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. |
| 13:54.59 | Wobin | (Groucho Marx) |
| 13:55.25 | Wobin | transfers 540 photos off the memory card |
| 13:55.58 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:56.05 | Aelobin | ~rlart |
| 13:56.06 | purl | gives ajmitch a good seeing to |
| 13:56.16 | Fisker | it's your fault Aelobin |
| 13:56.22 | Aelobin | no you :o |
| 13:56.57 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 13:59.54 | Aelobin | bring it |
| 13:59.59 | Aelobin | flexes. Oooh so strong! |
| 14:00.18 | Fisker | bangs Aelobin's mom |
| 14:00.27 | Fisker | BAM! |
| 14:00.27 | Aelobin | touché salesman |
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| 14:23.24 | TopTop18 | Could someone give feedback on my current code? toc: http://pastey.net/117705 XML: http://pastey.net/117706 lua: http://pastey.net/117707. And why does the lua throw errors at pastey? |
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| 14:43.39 | Aelobin | TopTop18: your first if in the FF_DKP_Manager is missing a "then" |
| 14:43.56 | Aelobin | sorry i mean, in the OnEvent |
| 14:44.59 | Aelobin | and TopTop18: isn't line 11 the wrong way round? :p |
| 14:58.09 | TopTop18 | Sec |
| 14:58.43 | TopTop18 | Hmm no idea how it should be, should it be turned around? |
| 15:00.06 | TopTop18 | Testing the addon for first time now, brb |
| 15:17.09 | TopTop18 | Okay, most recent files for my addon: toc: http://toptop18.pastey.net/117722 lua: http://toptop18.pastey.net/117723 XML: http://toptop18.pastey.net/117724 |
| 15:17.15 | TopTop18 | It throws 2 errors |
| 15:17.33 | TopTop18 | [FF] DKP Manager.lua line 15: function arguments expected near 'if' |
| 15:17.59 | TopTop18 | [string "FF_DKP_Manager_initializing_frame:OnLoad"] line 1: attempt to index global 'FF_DKP_Manager' (a nil value) |
| 15:18.25 | TopTop18 | Can;t figure out what causes it and why my test strings don;t get displayed |
| 15:18.39 | TopTop18 | Help Please? :D |
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| 15:27.38 | Cide | I know a good help resource |
| 15:27.40 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 15:30.02 | Fisker | throws a live grenade into the channel |
| 15:31.16 | Slafsinator | eats some shrapnel |
| 15:31.50 | TopTop18 | Fisker, help me if you want to do something :D |
| 15:32.50 | Fisker | no |
| 15:33.08 | Fisker | i'm listening to cheery 8-bit music |
| 15:34.39 | TopTop18 | Squashed the bug, forgot a () after a function |
| 15:34.56 | Fisker | beginner mistake |
| 15:35.27 | TopTop18 | Yep xD Just do it a lot and I'll klearn it eventually |
| 15:35.40 | TopTop18 | But PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE fires 8 times in the beginning |
| 15:37.25 | TopTop18 | oO second try it fires my whole chatframe oO |
| 15:37.57 | TopTop18 | How to fix it? or where can I find more info about PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE? |
| 15:38.06 | Cide | well |
| 15:38.14 | Cide | ask the employer to be have more nicely? |
| 15:38.41 | Cide | or contact whatever union you're in |
| 15:41.52 | vithos | is there any addon that displays your gold/hr earnings based on auctioneer prices for looted items? |
| 15:42.01 | vithos | NiHao is the only one I've found and it doesn't work anymore |
| 15:43.29 | Torhal | SInce the market price is always in flux, wouldn't the gold/hr be rather useless? |
| 15:44.55 | vithos | i found it very useful when i used it in TBC for comparing earning rates of different farming areas |
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| 15:45.53 | Shirik | rawr |
| 15:46.30 | vithos | it also kept me from slacking off and wasting time since i could easily see when i was being slow |
| 15:47.19 | TopTop18 | Shirik, HELP ME PLEASE! |
| 15:48.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 15:48.42 | TopTop18 | When exactly does PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE fires, and why does it fires very very much on login? |
| 15:49.41 | Shirik | it probably fires for each person in guild |
| 15:49.42 | jnwhiteh | why are you asking Shirik? |
| 15:49.44 | Shirik | or at least for every rank |
| 15:49.46 | Shirik | but yeah, why me? |
| 15:50.11 | TopTop18 | Shirik, it fires only 8 times on my low rqanked alt, but a whole chatframe at my main |
| 15:50.21 | TopTop18 | And I ask shirik cause he was available :D |
| 15:50.24 | jnwhiteh | Why does it matter? |
| 15:50.26 | jnwhiteh | You shoudl ask anyone |
| 15:50.27 | Zyndrome | cause Shirik is the almighty all knowing oracle of internets |
| 15:50.28 | TopTop18 | Someone else is good to :D |
| 15:50.28 | jnwhiteh | or we'll all hide. |
| 15:50.38 | TopTop18 | Jnwhiteh, I did a few times xD |
| 15:50.45 | jnwhiteh | why areyou using this event? |
| 15:50.52 | jnwhiteh | for what purpose? |
| 15:50.55 | TopTop18 | Cause someone said it |
| 15:51.11 | TopTop18 | sec pastying the code |
| 15:51.23 | jnwhiteh | 1.) You should fix yoru own syntax errors |
| 15:51.29 | jnwhiteh | Lua tells you precisely what the error is |
| 15:51.34 | jnwhiteh | and we're not here to compile your code for you |
| 15:51.37 | TopTop18 | No errors :D |
| 15:51.43 | jnwhiteh | You had them before |
| 15:51.47 | TopTop18 | Yep fixed em |
| 15:51.48 | jnwhiteh | people are less likely to help you |
| 15:51.50 | jnwhiteh | when you don't help yourself. |
| 15:51.55 | jnwhiteh | no, you asked for help with two syntax errors |
| 15:51.58 | jnwhiteh | I'm just giving advice |
| 15:52.00 | Zyndrome | "Fires when something about a characters position in a guild changes." |
| 15:52.01 | jnwhiteh | don't come to us for that stuff |
| 15:52.38 | TopTop18 | Zyndrome, found that, but can;t figure out why it fires a lot on login and less on a alt in the same guild :S |
| 15:52.46 | TopTop18 | Okay Jnwhiteh |
| 15:52.52 | jnwhiteh | you don't really need to know why, TopTop18 |
| 15:52.55 | jnwhiteh | it's probably not the right event |
| 15:53.01 | jnwhiteh | what are you tryin to _accomplish_ |
| 15:53.20 | TopTop18 | sec |
| 15:54.52 | Zyndrome | wild guess : placing multiple demotes/promotes that happened within the last 30 seconds into just one line |
| 15:54.53 | Zyndrome | :< |
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| 15:59.09 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:04.03 | TopTop18 | Alestanes wonderfull help: http://toptop18.pastey.net/117728 lua: http://toptop18.pastey.net/117727 toc: http://toptop18.pastey.net/117722 XML: http://toptop18.pastey.net/117724 |
| 16:04.20 | TopTop18 | That's what I'm doing and why I'm calling that event |
| 16:06.33 | jnwhiteh | .. five files. |
| 16:06.49 | TopTop18 | four pasteys |
| 16:06.49 | jnwhiteh | all i wanted to do what to know what you were tryin gto accomplish |
| 16:06.51 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 16:06.54 | jnwhiteh | and i didn't ask for that |
| 16:06.54 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 16:06.57 | TopTop18 | xD |
| 16:07.01 | jnwhiteh | I've got to go either way, was attempting to help you |
| 16:07.08 | TopTop18 | It's all background info |
| 16:07.11 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 16:07.16 | jnwhiteh | which i don't really care about |
| 16:07.19 | jnwhiteh | or we would have gotten there eventually |
| 16:07.21 | jnwhiteh | its fine |
| 16:07.25 | jnwhiteh | good luck with it |
| 16:07.35 | TopTop18 | Okay better to much then to less info :D |
| 16:07.50 | jnwhiteh | not when it takes 5 minutes |
| 16:07.53 | Lunessa | Better you answer the question that got asked. |
| 16:07.54 | jnwhiteh | and more reading |
| 16:07.59 | jnwhiteh | to get the one question i asked answered. |
| 16:09.06 | Adys | does anyone think its possible to do a grep for wow's chat? |
| 16:09.20 | Adys | eg /spammymacro | grep "something" |
| 16:09.28 | TopTop18 | Okay, trying to accomplish to call GetGuildInfo when the data is available, I use PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE for that |
| 16:09.44 | jnwhiteh | alright, and why does it matter how many times it fires? |
| 16:09.46 | Adys | btw jnwhiteh |
| 16:10.04 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/changelog |
| 16:10.09 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/thunderfury/json |
| 16:10.42 | jnwhiteh | neat! |
| 16:11.07 | TopTop18 | Cause if it does multiple times It'll create a frame multiple times, search tyhe database for what's missing multiple times, request the missing data multiple times and more bad stuff |
| 16:12.24 | Jamash | so unregister the event the first time it fires? |
| 16:13.01 | TopTop18 | Wouldn;t work, cause my addon must give the proper rights if you get promoted |
| 16:14.11 | Lunessa | Then don't do your work every time the event fires. You only need to create a frame once. |
| 16:16.15 | TopTop18 | It creates frames depending on guildrank, so if you get promoted, this event fires and you'll get the proper rights immediatly |
| 16:16.35 | Jamash | why are you creating more than one frame at all? |
| 16:17.01 | TopTop18 | Cause normal members don;t need the ondemand dkp change frame |
| 16:17.40 | TopTop18 | Or a config frame only the GM can use |
| 16:19.20 | TopTop18 | Hmm is it possible to unregister the event and register it again after a while? |
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| 16:20.18 | Jamash | yes |
| 16:21.11 | TopTop18 | Hmm I'll try something, thanks! |
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| 16:45.52 | mikma | here you go, jnwhiteh / me created a PvP spell-tracker. Go and test it :D http://wow.reaktio.net/OhSnap.zip .. /ohsnap show/hide out the anchor atm |
| 16:51.40 | Lunessa | has his grump on. Wore it just for work. |
| 16:58.58 | NightHawkTheSane | http://io9.com/5316429/enter-the-forbidden-galaxy-of-cheesecake-art-%5Bnsfw%5D (yeah, probably not work safe..) |
| 16:59.42 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/07/i_smell_a_wedgie_coming_reside.php |
| 17:13.52 | mikma | anyone has any idea how can i get FontString higher value than "OVERLAY" .. when i put it to "HIGHLIGHT" it won't be shown at all :P |
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| 17:25.57 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/17-08/by_ask_warcraft |
| 17:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ha @ fedora having a ticket with the priority of "The Sky Is Falling" |
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| 17:40.50 | Lunessa | Seriously? Wired is advocating people leave their WiFi open? Fucking retards. |
| 17:41.10 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/17-08/by_open_wifi |
| 17:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "It's not like you pay by the packet." DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS |
| 17:43.12 | Lunessa | Seriously - I mean, hey internet access isn't a right. |
| 17:49.50 | Arrowmaster | so the caster wheels that came with my new fulltower case broke under the weight of it |
| 17:56.17 | Lunessa | So, you're saying... you're rolling with some heavy steel? |
| 17:58.36 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or is the thought of wheels on a computer just stupid? |
| 18:01.31 | Arrowmaster | try moving a 50lb fulltower case on thick carpet then get back to me |
| 18:02.50 | Thunder_Child | put it on a sled with wheels, or a dolly. but a case with built in wheels is still stupid imo |
| 18:03.31 | Arrowmaster | the wheels are optional, you mount them on the case if you want them |
| 18:04.12 | Arrowmaster | using a sled or dolly would take up more room since it would be hard to find the exact size, plus it would make the case taller than mounting wheels directly on it |
| 18:05.01 | Thunder_Child | more room? taller? what? i'm just talking about moving it |
| 18:06.10 | Arrowmaster | its very hard to move it out from under the desk without wheels |
| 18:07.48 | Thunder_Child | fast way is to break down the box it came in, stick it underneath and drag |
| 18:44.44 | Aqua | Thunder_Child is correct, thats like easy mode |
| 18:45.26 | mikma | is there a way of detecting that you killed a player? |
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| 19:04.25 | TopTop18 | Okay I've improved my code, but after some testing it seems like PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE doesn;t fire at promotion or demotion of the player |
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| 19:05.09 | TopTop18 | And Jnwhiteh, thank you for noticing me of the fact I used this channel to quick |
| 19:05.48 | TopTop18 | But it's pretty strange now as the event isn;t firing when I thought it should be :S |
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| 19:09.15 | Arrowmaster | that only fires when the player joins or leaves a guild i think |
| 19:10.10 | TopTop18 | !API PLAYER_GUILD_UPFATE |
| 19:10.17 | TopTop18 | meh nto working for me |
| 19:10.36 | mikma | !API PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE |
| 19:10.45 | mikma | !api UnitName |
| 19:10.45 | lua_bot | UnitName: Returns the name of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitName) |
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| 19:11.14 | TopTop18 | !api PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE |
| 19:11.14 | lua_bot | PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE: Fires when something about a characters position in a guild changes. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE) |
| 19:11.38 | TopTop18 | a characters position in the guild, so it should fire when demoted/promoted? |
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| 19:12.41 | mikma | i bet no |
| 19:12.54 | cogumel0 | can I declare a variable starting with an underscore? |
| 19:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.52 | cogumel0 | thx |
| 19:16.13 | TopTop18 | Hmm one site I googled says: This function updates the ranks if the player joins or leaves a guild |
| 19:16.38 | TopTop18 | All others use wowprogrammings clarification |
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| 19:18.09 | mikma | i guess you need CHAT_MSG_something |
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| 19:18.46 | TopTop18 | For updating probably... Was so happy I could use one event for two tasks :( |
| 19:19.17 | TopTop18 | Well gonna search the event I need hten |
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| 19:26.44 | ccox | it's a sad day when you discover that sprintf is the bottleneck in an application |
| 19:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | if not entirely predictable |
| 19:27.47 | ccox | in this case it was surprising |
| 19:27.54 | Arrowmaster | TopTop18: i think you want GuildRoster() |
| 19:28.00 | Arrowmaster | !api GuildRoster() |
| 19:28.01 | lua_bot | Found 13 possible matches for 'GuildRoster()'. Please be more specific |
| 19:28.03 | Arrowmaster | !api GuildRoster |
| 19:28.03 | lua_bot | GuildRoster: Requests guild roster information from the server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildRoster) |
| 19:28.56 | Arrowmaster | @project libguild-1-0 |
| 19:28.58 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libguild-1-0/. LibGuild-1.0. Game: WoW. Shefki (Manager/Author), Kemayo (Author). Updated: 59 days ago |
| 19:29.12 | Thunder_Child | I <3 Kludge |
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| 19:45.54 | TopTop18 | Arrowmaster Thanks! But I was thinking about using CHAT_MSG_GUILD orCHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, But I'll look your thingy up, Thanks! |
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| 19:49.17 | Arrowmaster | hmm doesnt look like libguild-1.0 has a callback on rank change |
| 19:49.58 | cbreak | doesn't wow itself have an event for that? |
| 19:50.03 | cbreak | GUILD_ROSTER something |
| 19:51.06 | Arrowmaster | yes but it only fires in response to a GuildRoster() call |
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| 19:52.30 | TopTop18 | Does CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM or CHAT_MSG_GUILD fires when rank is updated? |
| 19:52.51 | Arrowmaster | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, but you will have to parse out the message |
| 19:52.53 | TopTop18 | I can just filter the right messge out if I use that |
| 19:53.06 | TopTop18 | Ye, but think that's the easiest way |
| 19:53.14 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 19:53.38 | Aqua | how many freaking "RTM" builds are out of windows 7 now? like 20?> |
| 19:53.46 | TopTop18 | What's the easiest way then? With my current coding knowledge xD |
| 19:54.01 | TopTop18 | Aqua, No official xD |
| 19:54.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont know but parsing CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM is hell, especially if you want it to work on more than just an english client |
| 19:54.16 | Aqua | i know that, i haven't seen one hit msdn yet |
| 19:54.39 | TopTop18 | Arrowmaster, I don;t have it to work on a nion english client yet |
| 19:54.58 | TopTop18 | Just for my guild atm, and they all use english clients as far as I know |
| 19:57.36 | TopTop18 | Aqua, and they all can;t be verified, so they'll be locked after 2 weeks I think |
| 19:57.51 | Aqua | yea |
| 19:58.38 | Aqua | i'm just wanting for something offical |
| 20:01.40 | Lunessa | BlizzCon hotel secured. |
| 20:01.46 | TopTop18 | The only official RTM is the one you must buy in a shop |
| 20:02.07 | TopTop18 | In a month or two, so keep waiting :D |
| 20:03.19 | TopTop18 | Hmm Do promote/demote messages have a channelName? |
| 20:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 20:08.44 | TopTop18 | Thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:15.13 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.3g", 1/0) |
| 20:15.13 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: inf |
| 20:15.37 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah lua_bot is on linux |
| 20:16.22 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.1g", 1/0) |
| 20:16.22 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: inf |
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| 20:35.31 | Aelobin | ~rlart |
| 20:35.32 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Sixen is stuck to the floor |
| 20:38.12 | Fisker | slaps Aelobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:38.24 | Aelobin | growls fiercly at Fisker. |
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| 20:38.59 | Wimpsy` | ~rlart |
| 20:39.00 | purl | beats amro severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 20:39.10 | Wimpsy` | Hehe, sorry, had to try. |
| 20:39.19 | Fisker | wanna make out Aelobin |
| 20:39.20 | Fisker | ? |
| 20:40.26 | Aelobin | sure, and lets film it |
| 20:40.29 | Aelobin | and put it on the interwebs |
| 20:40.49 | Aelobin | you get 10% profits |
| 20:40.55 | Lunessa | And charge money from people to not download it to their machines. |
| 20:41.18 | Aelobin | see, Lunessa is on the ball |
| 20:41.58 | Lunessa | Always looking for the profits like the dirty capitalist pig that I am. |
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| 20:48.54 | dardack_ | can someone help me maybe, i've switched to pitbull, (or it could be dominos not sure which) and i mount my traveling tundra mammoth (one with 2 vendors) and i can't figure out how to dismount the 2 vendor dudes |
| 20:49.17 | mikma | dardack_: use the vehicle-icon under your minimap |
| 20:49.28 | mikma | dardack_: there ain't no eject buttons for the passangers anymore |
| 20:49.36 | dardack_ | ok i use sexymap |
| 20:49.40 | dardack_ | so would that still be there? |
| 20:49.49 | mikma | the vehicle-icon is under the minimap |
| 20:49.59 | Lunessa | Yes, but it's probably off your screen 'cause you moved the map |
| 20:49.59 | mikma | if you have moved the minimap down, it's going over the screen then |
| 20:50.34 | dardack_ | oh |
| 20:50.37 | dardack_ | how do i fix this? |
| 20:50.46 | Thunder_Child | move it up? |
| 20:51.03 | mikma | pats thunder_child on the back: well done. |
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| 20:51.12 | Lunessa | At least temporarily and move the attached items with SexyMap's features. |
| 20:51.13 | dardack | true |
| 20:51.18 | Thunder_Child | i wants a cookie mikma |
| 20:51.23 | dardack | ok i'm trying to find the options for it |
| 20:51.40 | mikma | ~cookie thunder_child |
| 20:51.48 | mikma | sorry, purl is out of cookies |
| 20:52.36 | dardack | anyone know sexymap enough to know hwo to move the vehicle icon? |
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| 20:53.03 | Lunessa | ubuntu installer has been "configuring apt" for 20 minutes... |
| 20:53.34 | mikma | try /script DisableAddOn("SexyMap"), and then /console reloadui |
| 20:53.35 | DWSR | Lunessa: You're using Ubuntu, what do you expect? |
| 20:53.45 | DWSR | I can install Gentoo from stage3 tarball in 30 minutes. |
| 20:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | and then spend months per year updating |
| 20:54.08 | dardack | sigh i like ubuntu |
| 20:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 20:54.16 | dardack | but anyways |
| 20:54.28 | dardack | sexymap someone seems to have written a patch to fix the vehicle moving thing |
| 20:54.30 | Lunessa | Meh, I just wanted a quick install for VM |
| 20:54.56 | dardack | virtualbox? |
| 20:54.57 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: I don't spend that much time updating it. |
| 20:55.12 | dardack | i love my virtualbox for my ipod |
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| 20:55.25 | mikma | dardack: it's pretty simple to me: if you don't know how to configure the addons you use, disable them. |
| 20:55.27 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: I do have cron run emerge -u world |
| 20:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, foot meet gun |
| 20:55.50 | Lunessa | I'm running VMWare. |
| 20:56.07 | dardack | mikma: i know how to configure sexymap, have a ton of it, but just read no built in way to move the vehicle indicator so wasn't me, someone wrote a fix for it trying it now |
| 20:56.17 | dardack | Lunessa: anyreason why not virtualbox? |
| 20:56.36 | Lunessa | dardack: Because VMWare was already installed, and Unity Mode is LOVE. |
| 20:56.38 | DWSR | dardack: Because Lunessa might be running an ESX server? |
| 20:56.39 | mikma | dardack: still, the answer is "disable sexymap" or DIY :) |
| 20:56.51 | DWSR | Anyone know a cheap shell host? |
| 20:56.54 | dardack | what's unity mode? |
| 20:57.03 | DWSR | s/cheap /cheap, reliable/ |
| 20:57.09 | DWSR | sigh, spacefail. |
| 20:57.18 | dardack | esx? man i need to brush up on my abbreviations, it's like work |
| 20:57.23 | dardack | too many 3-4 letter things |
| 20:57.29 | DWSR | TLAs are all the rage. |
| 20:57.41 | Lunessa | it's a feature of VMWare fusion that makes for seamless transition from gust os to mac os. |
| 20:57.52 | DWSR | and by mac OS you mean host OS. |
| 20:57.55 | Thunder_Child | gust os!! |
| 20:57.59 | DWSR | Because mac should never be the host of anything. |
| 20:58.13 | Thunder_Child | yes, parites |
| 20:58.18 | Thunder_Child | parties* |
| 20:58.24 | DWSR | GOD no. |
| 20:58.29 | DWSR | Unless you're a newfag. |
| 20:58.39 | Thunder_Child | vs. an oldfag? |
| 20:58.44 | DWSR | idd. |
| 20:58.59 | Lunessa | Or you know, running Mac OS X on an iMac. prick. |
| 20:59.41 | dardack | oh sorry i thought you were running Ubuntu |
| 20:59.43 | dardack | my bad |
| 21:00.12 | Lunessa | I'm installing Ubuntu for giggles. |
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| 21:00.24 | DWSR | Lunessa: You should format the harddrive and install Windows. |
| 21:00.53 | Lunessa | Nope. You should ditch your box and get a mac. |
| 21:01.02 | DWSR | Had one. |
| 21:01.04 | DWSR | Hated it. |
| 21:01.06 | DWSR | Gave it to sister. |
| 21:01.08 | DWSR | She hated it. |
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| 21:01.26 | dardack | well that fixed it |
| 21:01.34 | dardack | yea i've keep trying mac |
| 21:01.38 | dardack | never get into it |
| 21:01.45 | dardack | although i say same about windows |
| 21:01.50 | dardack | even tho i use it at work |
| 21:01.56 | Slafsinator | if you're happy running windows then ... keep running windows |
| 21:02.05 | Aqua | os x is nice, when you work on pc's all day, its a relief to not have to fix one... |
| 21:02.10 | DWSR | To me, Macs (and Mac OS) is like colour compression in games. A little is ok, a lot just hurts your eyes from all the shiny. |
| 21:02.23 | DWSR | s/is /are / |
| 21:02.31 | Lunessa | I don't give two flips if *you* don't like it. I only care if *I* like it. Windows, Mac, Linux or other *nix - I don't care. Use what you like, but don't f-ing tell me what to run. |
| 21:02.50 | DWSR | successful troll is successful. *brushes off hands*. |
| 21:03.07 | dardack | never said you had to use either |
| 21:03.16 | dardack | i was confued when you said installing ubuntu but using vmware |
| 21:03.18 | dardack | was all |
| 21:03.23 | Lunessa | dardack: You didn't. asshat did. |
| 21:03.30 | dardack | heh |
| 21:03.31 | dardack | ok |
| 21:03.33 | Aqua | Lunessa == right, do whatyou want to do |
| 21:03.59 | DWSR | hehe, this channel is so easy to troll. It's like Trade chat on US-Nazjatar. |
| 21:04.02 | dardack | i never push people into using whatever, i mean i have windows downstairs just for skype (usb to phone for a cheap phone like $7 per 3 months) |
| 21:04.13 | Dewin | Alliance or horde trade chat? |
| 21:04.22 | DWSR | Dewin: Either, but I have more experience with Horde. |
| 21:04.34 | DWSR | It's given rise to the expression Nazjatards. |
| 21:07.13 | Aqua | dardack: i broke down and got a broadvoice byod line, and hooked it up to my unused cisco call manger stuff i have at my house |
| 21:07.29 | dardack | nice we mainly use our cellphones |
| 21:07.36 | dardack | but the wife's family doesn't hve verizon |
| 21:07.53 | dardack | so skype has really good quality on windows, i just have to re boot the machine once a week |
| 21:08.15 | DWSR | dardack: What version of Windows are you using that you actually need to reboot once a week? |
| 21:08.19 | dardack | even those my mythtv/video/website server doesn't need it for like ... ever? (i've lost power a copule times that's only time it reboots) |
| 21:08.24 | dardack | xp |
| 21:08.35 | DWSR | Huh, I've never had a problem leaving it on for a long time. |
| 21:08.37 | dardack | trust me it screws with the usb to phone box if i don't |
| 21:08.41 | DWSR | My gaming computer has been on for 3 months. |
| 21:08.53 | DWSR | Just the peripheral has a problem or the whole box? |
| 21:09.11 | dardack | peripheral and skype starts to bug out, even if i reset the peripheral |
| 21:09.17 | Aqua | skype is buggy |
| 21:09.22 | dardack | not a big deal really |
| 21:09.38 | dardack | i've just never been a big fan of windows, used to help father with ihs side computer business |
| 21:09.50 | dardack | and the issues with windows just once i heard about linux i never looked back |
| 21:09.55 | dardack | but that's just me |
| 21:10.05 | DWSR | Linux doesn't support DX. |
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| 21:10.09 | DWSR | Once it does, I'm gone. :) |
| 21:10.11 | dardack | doesn't need to for WoW |
| 21:10.14 | dardack | heh |
| 21:10.21 | dardack | never will MS locks that crap up tight |
| 21:10.25 | DWSR | dardack: I play a lot more games than WoW. |
| 21:10.26 | Dewin | I hought Wine had some DX support |
| 21:10.28 | Aqua | i still use windows but thats because i work in an industry that windows dominates |
| 21:10.34 | DWSR | dardack: Don't be so sure. Wine has some DX support, but it's buggy. |
| 21:10.40 | dardack | aqua i ujse it at work no choice |
| 21:10.45 | dardack | DWSR: yes i know |
| 21:10.47 | DWSR | Aqua: Windows dominates the IT industry in general. |
| 21:10.54 | dardack | but the framerate is much less then in openGL |
| 21:11.00 | DWSR | dardack: Not really. |
| 21:11.06 | Aqua | thats why i said, i work in an industry that windows dominates |
| 21:11.08 | dardack | dwsr for me it does |
| 21:11.10 | Slafsinator | What is it that linux does well that windows doesn't? I'm genuinely interested to hear about this as my experience with linux (which is outdated by now) has been disappointing ;P |
| 21:11.25 | DWSR | dardack: I can get the framerate to approximately parody, but it requires so much faffing around I don't bother. |
| 21:11.26 | Aqua | stability..... |
| 21:11.32 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Stability is a huge plus. |
| 21:11.39 | dardack | and depends, i worked in 3 separate IT places (mainly websites/internet lines for ocmpanies back in HS/college and all 3 had all linux servers |
| 21:11.42 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Unless you're doing a kernel update, your box should never get restarted. |
| 21:11.54 | Slafsinator | I didn't think of windows as particularly unstable |
| 21:11.55 | dardack | yep |
| 21:11.58 | DWSR | dardack: Sure, but larger companies use Windows. |
| 21:12.08 | Slafsinator | As you said, your gaming box has been on for 3 months :) |
| 21:12.09 | DWSR | Slafsinator: When you start pushing uptimes of 2+ weeks, you'll see it. :) |
| 21:12.12 | dardack | like i said my mythtv/video/website hosting box downstaris only reboots if i loose power |
| 21:12.17 | Aqua | windows reboots way to damn much |
| 21:12.36 | foxlit | Only to apply OS updates, really. |
| 21:12.37 | dardack | and my appletv hacked with mythtv same thing |
| 21:12.37 | Aqua | everytime you install an update its REBOOT |
| 21:12.48 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Yeah, I also had to slipstream my XP installation to get that to happen. I took out 50% of the stuff that Windows XP normally comes with/installs. Now the box runs fantastic, but I can't do anything but play games and surf the internet. |
| 21:12.55 | Aqua | foxlit: anymore if you run windows update on vista, its a guranteed restart |
| 21:13.01 | Slafsinator | :) |
| 21:13.13 | dardack | i think because of work i'm even more against windows we have to use this encrypt harddrive stuff that really f's with windows |
| 21:13.15 | dardack | infact |
| 21:13.15 | foxlit | Meh, doesn't seem like that often to me. |
| 21:13.23 | dardack | they push our required restarts every 4 days |
| 21:13.26 | Aqua | you have auto update turned on? |
| 21:13.26 | Thunder_Child | does to me |
| 21:13.44 | DWSR | Slafsinator: The other thing is that Linux is much more customizable. Everything that you can possibly imagine can be tweaked. |
| 21:13.45 | Aqua | we push'ed auto restarts at midnight nighly |
| 21:13.45 | dardack | kinda funny |
| 21:13.48 | foxlit | I have auto update notifications turned on. |
| 21:13.58 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Part of that has to do with the fact that the root account on *nix has total control. |
| 21:13.59 | Aqua | wake on lan, boot them all up, do updates through SMS, shutdown |
| 21:14.08 | dardack | yea well at least i have a machine at work outside their jurisdiction also |
| 21:14.10 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Administrator on Windows still has to play by the OS's rules. |
| 21:14.11 | Slafsinator | What is it that you need to customize? :) |
| 21:14.18 | dardack | cause i'm a computer forensic investigator and also kinda internal affairs |
| 21:14.21 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Root on Linux can reformat the harddrive with the OS still running. |
| 21:14.27 | dardack | so i have one computer that i can mess with and not have their hands in |
| 21:14.34 | Slafsinator | wow, it can reformat the harddrive with the OS still running. |
| 21:14.36 | ccox | I'll stick with something more stable: 14:14 up 32 days, 21:39, 3 users, load averages: 0.40 0.33 0.27 |
| 21:14.41 | DWSR | Slafsinator: The shell? |
| 21:14.46 | Slafsinator | Excuse me while I facepalm :) |
| 21:15.16 | DWSR | Slafsinator: I know, but I'm just saying that it helps to avoid situations where you can't delete stuff because some program's still using it. |
| 21:15.16 | DWSR | Slafsinator: When I go "rm file" on *nix, it's *gone*. |
| 21:15.27 | Aqua | god knows we've all rebooted windows |
| 21:15.32 | Aqua | to delete something a program is actively using |
| 21:15.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:15.57 | Aqua | ohhh and can't forget sudo.... |
| 21:15.57 | foxlit | has not. |
| 21:16.03 | DWSR | But usually it's something that you can't get the program to stop using because it's something stupid like a directory in a "recently used" dropdown box or something retarded. |
| 21:16.08 | Thunder_Child | lies foxlit, lies |
| 21:16.17 | DWSR | Aqua: sudo make me a sandwich. |
| 21:16.26 | Slafsinator | Sounds like windows has more problems than I thought |
| 21:16.30 | dardack | my reasons and only mine for linux use in my home (wife/me/servers except one box): i can do what i want without some company poking around in my stuff (no i don't believe MS will always keep to privacy concerns persoanlly), it's free, hackable, stable, etc. and i just like the feel of it over windows, like the multiple desktops is my favorite thing |
| 21:16.36 | Slafsinator | if you're willing to switch form it because of such trouble :) |
| 21:17.11 | dardack | oh and my past experience helping father with windows 3.1/nt/9/me |
| 21:17.16 | Aqua | see i use at mac at home because i want something that honestly, i don't have to deal with |
| 21:17.28 | Aqua | mac's are pretty hard to F up |
| 21:17.45 | foxlit | Yet they suffer from most of the "problems" you've highlighted with windows. |
| 21:17.54 | DWSR | Aqua: No it's not. :) Watch me forkbomb your Mac. |
| 21:18.30 | Slafsinator | I think he meant it's hard to fuck up by using it in non-malicious ways |
| 21:18.32 | Aqua | DWSR: yea, true, you can still goof one up, but still, you have to say that a mac is better than windows in some cases |
| 21:18.34 | ccox | DWSR - that could be done to any *nix |
| 21:18.48 | DWSR | ccox: Wrong. There are Windows and Mac variants of the forkbomb. |
| 21:18.53 | ccox | DWSR - or Windows if you have access (ie: can write a web page :-) |
| 21:18.55 | DWSR | ccox: It's shell dependant, not OS dependant. |
| 21:19.18 | dardack | anyways back to get my 5 seals for the day |
| 21:19.20 | Aqua | my os food chain: windows < os x < unix |
| 21:19.26 | dardack | 24 short of my 3rd 100 seal mount |
| 21:19.33 | ccox | um, OS X is unix |
| 21:19.39 | Aqua | i know it is |
| 21:19.42 | dardack | yea with a smexy fro nt end |
| 21:19.55 | DWSR | ccox: So? |
| 21:19.56 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forkbomb |
| 21:20.00 | Aqua | os x is not the same as loading up fedora... |
| 21:20.06 | DWSR | ccox: My favourite forkbomb is perl's. |
| 21:20.10 | DWSR | fork while fork.\ |
| 21:21.07 | Slafsinator | #care about forkbombs |
| 21:22.39 | DWSR | anyway |
| 21:22.57 | DWSR | Slafsinator: It does come down to personal preference, but Linux is starting to become a seriously viable alternative to Windows. |
| 21:23.02 | DWSR | Slafsinator: One huge plus is that it's free. |
| 21:23.07 | DWSR | Free is very, very good. |
| 21:23.18 | Slafsinator | there's a reason I asked you |
| 21:23.44 | Slafsinator | usually when I ask people to produce reasons, they come up with zero to one viable reasons of going to linux |
| 21:24.03 | Slafsinator | as did you, it's always the same intangible crap :) |
| 21:24.14 | Thunder_Child | for me it would be coding |
| 21:24.26 | DWSR | Slafsinator: I run both Windows and Linux on different machines side by side. |
| 21:24.30 | Thunder_Child | i find coding to be more enjoyable on a 'nix than win/mac |
| 21:24.36 | DWSR | Slafsinator: I like Windows for some things and Linux for others. |
| 21:24.52 | Slafsinator | I get that, I totally do |
| 21:24.57 | DWSR | If I could get away from Windows I would like to, but Linux isn't in a place to complete replace Windows as my desktop OS of choice, due in part to shitty stylus support. |
| 21:25.22 | DWSR | I don't want to have to hack my Xorg in order to get my stylus on my tablet to work, end of story. |
| 21:26.03 | Aqua | i never have gotten into tablets and stuff, never was that interested in them |
| 21:26.09 | DWSR | Aqua: You a student? |
| 21:26.18 | Aqua | I used to be |
| 21:26.33 | Aqua | note taking in class? |
| 21:26.38 | DWSR | bingo. |
| 21:26.48 | DWSR | Especially if the class already provides the note slides |
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| 21:27.04 | DWSR | instead of writing everything, I just write what I need to annotate the slide. |
| 21:27.07 | dardack | anyone know with pitbull if you can make the cast bar like take over the portrait bar? instead of creating a new one and shrinking the portrait bar? |
| 21:27.12 | Aqua | use power point, and one note |
| 21:27.12 | DWSR | Then I ??? And then I profit! |
| 21:27.18 | DWSR | Aqua: I do. :) |
| 21:27.33 | foxlit | power point?! |
| 21:27.33 | Aqua | yea, i wanted to do that back in college but tablets were way too costly |
| 21:27.47 | Aqua | foxlit: every freaking college anymore is all about powerpoint |
| 21:27.56 | foxlit | :/ |
| 21:27.58 | foxlit | Beamer. |
| 21:27.59 | DWSR | dardack: I don't know if that's possible. |
| 21:28.03 | DWSR | foxlit: Indeed. |
| 21:28.05 | Aqua | every engineering class i had was powerpoint this and powerpoint that |
| 21:28.08 | dardack | DWSR: dang |
| 21:28.26 | DWSR | dardack: You could use Quartz and position the castbars over the portrait. |
| 21:28.43 | foxlit | Every technical class I had was using LaTeX/PDF. |
| 21:28.50 | dardack | eh a lot of the UI things (like Oufor xperl do this auto) |
| 21:29.03 | DWSR | foxlit: It's useful for that too. |
| 21:29.12 | Aqua | DWSR: one thing i did to in college that i couldn't have lived with out, was a vpn server back to my house from my laptop at school |
| 21:29.17 | DWSR | Xperl doesn't. |
| 21:29.38 | DWSR | Aqua: yeah, for me it was an SSH endpoint on a dedi in France. |
| 21:29.40 | DWSR | Oh lord. |
| 21:30.00 | Aqua | i so hated protected internet at school |
| 21:30.44 | foxlit | Yeah, can you believe they have the *nerve* to nullroute piratebay? |
| 21:30.47 | DWSR | I just wear a tinfoil hat.\ |
| 21:30.58 | DWSR | don't want them poking around in my business. |
| 21:31.09 | DWSR | They almost kicked one of my friends out for pirating music. |
| 21:32.08 | DWSR | I just set up my dedi as a seedbox and SCP'ed from there. |
| 21:32.09 | Aqua | foxlit: that wasn't what i was talking about.... I was more refering to the whole music / and restricted web content (like searching on comspiracy theories) |
| 21:32.09 | Aqua | then again private schools are well annoying |
| 21:32.09 | Aqua | *conspiracy... |
| 21:32.25 | foxlit | And I was making a snide comment that the only thing blocked here is piratebay. |
| 21:32.36 | DWSR | Aqua: It's against the law to censor that sort of information in a university here (canada). |
| 21:32.39 | Aqua | ah, sorry, misunderstood |
| 21:32.43 | DWSR | Aqua: But the music thing is definitely what I was at. |
| 21:33.15 | Aqua | DWSR: Around here private schools are all about "protecting the youth of america" |
| 21:33.45 | DWSR | Aqua: That's because the Youth of America are falling behind. A few years ago it was all about "giving the youth a head start". Now it's "no child left behind". |
| 21:33.55 | DWSR | Head start -> behind. Someone's losing ground. |
| 21:33.59 | Aqua | more like no president left behind..... |
| 21:34.21 | foxlit | DWSR: but aren't people in need of a "head start" generally behind? |
| 21:34.29 | DWSR | foxlit: No? |
| 21:34.34 | Aqua | foxlit: that could be argued both ways |
| 21:34.36 | ccox | no |
| 21:34.45 | Thunder_Child | i have to go with no |
| 21:34.48 | DWSR | People don't "need" a head start. |
| 21:35.01 | DWSR | A head start is getting ahead of "the average" |
| 21:35.12 | Thunder_Child | and if they do then it's not a 'head start; |
| 21:35.20 | Thunder_Child | s/;/'/ |
| 21:35.25 | DWSR | which is different than catching up to "the average" |
| 21:35.31 | DWSR | which is "not leaving them behind". |
| 21:35.54 | Aqua | see, i see a headstart as a way to catch people up who are below the average from the start |
| 21:35.54 | Thunder_Child | or they could save lots of money and lower the avg |
| 21:36.14 | Thunder_Child | then it's not a headstart |
| 21:36.20 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: If they just lowered the passing average to a 30%, they'd save a shitload of money from grads taking redo years. |
| 21:36.30 | Thunder_Child | how can you be below the avg in the begning anyway? |
| 21:36.32 | DWSR | Aqua: How's that a head start? |
| 21:36.43 | DWSR | Aqua: You're behind to start with! |
| 21:36.55 | foxlit | And now you're not. |
| 21:36.57 | foxlit | *magic*! |
| 21:37.02 | ccox | sure, just get the whole world to lower their standards... |
| 21:37.10 | Thunder_Child | they already have |
| 21:37.11 | Aqua | but if you give that person who is behind to start extra help, and them on the comparible average |
| 21:37.16 | ccox | American schools already have low standards |
| 21:37.22 | Aelobin | ~whalenuke Fisker |
| 21:37.23 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers. |
| 21:37.29 | ccox | Thunder - well, they have low expectations for Americans |
| 21:37.30 | Thunder_Child | Aqua, you can not be behind to start....it is the begning |
| 21:37.32 | foxlit | Let's blame professional sport. |
| 21:37.58 | Osagasu | Psionic WHALEEEEEEEES |
| 21:38.02 | Aqua | sigh, i'm just gonna stop |
| 21:38.16 | Aqua | and say you guys really out to move to kentucky some time.... |
| 21:38.23 | Thunder_Child | i think you are simply using the wrong words |
| 21:38.28 | Aqua | probably... |
| 21:38.35 | ccox | sorry, moved away from the mid-south, don't want to go back (except for BBQ) |
| 21:38.56 | DWSR | Aqua: Sorry, but you would never catch me living in the American south. Ever. |
| 21:39.08 | DWSR | Visit, maybe. Live, hell no. |
| 21:39.10 | Aqua | I don't want to live here! but its not much of a choice atm with my health |
| 21:39.20 | DWSR | Aqua: Free healthcare in Canada? |
| 21:39.26 | DWSR | Win? |
| 21:39.33 | Aelobin | free canadians in canada |
| 21:39.45 | DWSR | hell yeah :) |
| 21:39.49 | DWSR | Free girls in Canadia. |
| 21:39.57 | Thunder_Child | however, you get what you pay for |
| 21:40.00 | Aqua | DWSR: its not healthcare its the lack of ability to take care of one's self |
| 21:40.01 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 21:40.02 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 21:40.04 | ccox | ok, maybe DWSR has a pint.... |
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| 21:40.19 | ccox | s/pint/point |
| 21:40.24 | ccox | s/pint/point/ |
| 21:40.33 | ccox | <-- needs to lay off the painkillers |
| 21:40.33 | Aqua | living with parents == someone to take care of you when your in a pile of pudding on the floor because you fall asleep all the damn time |
| 21:40.35 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* |
| 21:41.21 | Thunder_Child | must make rading hard |
| 21:41.34 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 21:41.39 | Aqua | Thunder_Child: it aint easy |
| 21:41.45 | Aqua | been kicked out of many guilds |
| 21:42.08 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: While I will admit that the health care system in Canada could do with some work, from what I understand it beats the hell out of the American system in a lot of cases. |
| 21:42.48 | DWSR | Except in experimental/drastic type treatment. |
| 21:43.00 | ccox | living withy parents == tolerable, until you get treatment and can get the heck out of there |
| 21:43.06 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, somewhat. i had some family come down from caniday to visit who prefered the american heath care system more. granted, they are weathy so it does skew the perceptions a bit |
| 21:43.20 | Thunder_Child | canida* |
| 21:43.22 | Thunder_Child | canada* |
| 21:43.25 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 21:43.44 | Lunessa_ | The Not-So-Great-White-North |
| 21:43.45 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Indeed. for the average citizen, though, I believe it is much better. |
| 21:44.14 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, agreed |
| 21:44.26 | Aqua | ccox: i aint complaining |
| 21:44.35 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, but that crack about the get what you pay for was in regards to the free women |
| 21:44.52 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: I pay more taxes, I get better free women. ;) |
| 21:45.17 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 21:45.30 | Slafsinator | how much taxes do you american fukrs pay? |
| 21:45.31 | Aqua | I've met two women from canada, and both them are outright !@#$)(!)@#$(!$!$@#$)(!@)#$(_! @#_$)!_@) |
| 21:45.36 | Slafsinator | always wondered that |
| 21:45.41 | Thunder_Child | Slafsinator, for what? |
| 21:45.42 | Aqua | Slafsinator: about 43% |
| 21:45.44 | DWSR | Aqua: There's a reason they're in America? |
| 21:45.47 | Slafsinator | for income |
| 21:45.50 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Depends on where you live. |
| 21:45.53 | Slafsinator | personal, not business |
| 21:45.57 | DWSR | Slafsinator: About 43% is the average, I believe. |
| 21:46.00 | ccox | Aqua - I think that's too limited a sample |
| 21:46.01 | Thunder_Child | depends on how much money you make |
| 21:46.10 | Aqua | ccox: it is too limited... |
| 21:46.17 | ccox | Aqua - there are many very nice women from Canada |
| 21:46.21 | Slafsinator | of course Thunder_Child |
| 21:46.24 | Aqua | and DWSR: they both still live in canada |
| 21:46.26 | ccox | Aqua - there are even several in this chat |
| 21:46.34 | ccox | *ahem* |
| 21:46.42 | Thunder_Child | several? |
| 21:46.54 | Aqua | oh i have nothing against women from canada, just the two that play wow in the guild i'm in on burning legion |
| 21:46.57 | Slafsinator | I paid 22,3% taxes last year, 43% sounds ludicrous |
| 21:46.58 | Lunessa_ | Federal income tax rate tops out at 36%. State taxes can push that up over the 50% mark. |
| 21:47.00 | ccox | more than 3 counts as several |
| 21:47.11 | Slafsinator | maybe you guys just have a higher base salary |
| 21:47.31 | foxlit | psst, ask Fisker about his taxes. |
| 21:47.33 | DWSR | Slafsinator: I think we do. |
| 21:47.44 | DWSR | Slafsinator: I remember reading something about it. |
| 21:47.47 | DWSR | Not sure though. |
| 21:47.51 | Lunessa_ | We use a 'progressive scale' for income taxes. It's pretty bad, but not as bad as say Britian. |
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| 21:47.52 | Aqua | Slafsinator: when i worked a full time job, I made about 4000 USD every two weeks, brought home about 2300 after income taxes were removed. |
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| 21:48.04 | Aelobin | gasps at Lunessa_ |
| 21:48.46 | Slafsinator | well, what would be a normal yearly wage for a non-executive job? |
| 21:48.47 | Lunessa_ | Certainly not as bad as Germany or France. |
| 21:49.10 | Aqua | Slafsinator: depends on the field |
| 21:49.11 | DWSR | Slafsinator: I want to say $50k USD? |
| 21:49.15 | Slafsinator | k |
| 21:49.20 | DWSR | As a grossly oversimplified average. |
| 21:49.31 | Aqua | yea, grossly over simplified |
| 21:49.42 | Lunessa_ | Slafsinator: Bottom-end jobs make about $24,000 / annum. Average for an IT grunt in the support business is about $30-35,000 / annum. |
| 21:49.51 | Slafsinator | allright |
| 21:50.57 | Slafsinator | and if you pay 43% tax off of that, there can't be much left |
| 21:51.03 | Slafsinator | not by norwegian standards that is ;P |
| 21:51.16 | foxlit | The thing about taxes and salaries is that everything is relative. |
| 21:51.19 | ccox | that depends on the local cost of living |
| 21:51.20 | Lunessa_ | At the lower end, you don't pay that much |
| 21:51.27 | Slafsinator | obviously |
| 21:51.31 | Aqua | Lunessa_:is right |
| 21:51.35 | ccox | but with a sliding scale, that income may pay only 20% |
| 21:51.43 | DWSR | ^ |
| 21:51.44 | Lunessa_ | If you're making 24K/year you're likely paying in the neighborhood ofr 20% |
| 21:51.49 | ccox | while at $100k you pay more like $30% |
| 21:51.55 | Aqua | and your gonna get some bomb deductions |
| 21:52.01 | Slafsinator | norway has a progressive scale as well, I paid 22% off 40k $ gross income |
| 21:52.38 | Aqua | see, you do get a lot back in tax overpayments at the end o the year too |
| 21:52.44 | Aqua | depending on your tax bracket, etc, |
| 21:53.08 | Cide | depending on how well you guesstimate your income more like it |
| 21:53.20 | Lunessa_ | Also, we have these funky things called "Earned Income Creidt" where if you make below $15K the feds GIVE you money and the "Alternative Minimum Tax" where we gouge you for a set amount even if you are entitled to pay less normally. |
| 21:53.21 | DWSR | Slafsinator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world#List |
| 21:53.26 | Slafsinator | thanks |
| 21:53.47 | DWSR | Apparently, we pay less tax than you do. |
| 21:53.52 | DWSR | Purely income tax though. |
| 21:54.00 | foxlit | 63%. Wonder what we win. |
| 21:54.03 | Aqua | use income tax code is like the worst programming language ever.... |
| 21:54.15 | Aqua | *US |
| 21:54.40 | Lunessa_ | All I am referring to is Federal Income Tax - local taxes, sales taxes, and other government fees can add up to a healthy chunk of your income. |
| 21:54.48 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 21:55.02 | DWSR | Federal Income Tax rate never goes above 29%. |
| 21:55.39 | ccox | DWSR - where? |
| 21:55.41 | Aqua | Don't a lot of the countries that have high income tax's not have sales tax though? |
| 21:55.54 | DWSR | ccox: Wiki article I just linked. |
| 21:56.01 | DWSR | Aqua: Sometimes. |
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| 21:56.09 | Lunessa_ | It amuses me that one of the driving principals of our separation from the British monarchy was disagreement over taxation... and we tax ourselves very heavily anyway. |
| 21:56.09 | Aqua | like, we have 7% sales tax on non-perishable goods |
| 21:56.39 | Lunessa_ | One thing we've managed to avoid so far in the US is a VAT. |
| 21:57.01 | Aqua | just wait, just wait |
| 21:57.10 | Slafsinator | in norway you get to pay 25% VAT for anything but food and transportation |
| 21:57.14 | Slafsinator | that adds up ;P |
| 21:57.30 | DWSR | Slafsinator: Yeah, Sales tax here is never more than 15%. |
| 21:57.52 | Slafsinator | :) |
| 21:58.05 | Lunessa_ | Slafsinator: Yeah. Sales tax in the US is set by local governments, and varies from nothing to 10.25% - but there's exemptions and such. |
| 21:58.17 | Aqua | Lunessa_: its higher than that |
| 21:58.29 | DWSR | Lunessa_: I know it's higher than that, and I don't even live there. |
| 21:58.36 | Lunessa_ | I pay 8.5% locally. |
| 21:59.10 | DWSR | ah, nevermind, misread. |
| 21:59.11 | Aqua | we pay 7% but i've seen it at 10.75% |
| 21:59.31 | DWSR | Lunessa_: Apparently you pay both federal and state sales tax? |
| 21:59.42 | DWSR | oh nevermind, looking at the wrong column. |
| 21:59.51 | ccox | no federal sales tax |
| 21:59.51 | Aqua | I live in indiana and we do |
| 21:59.57 | Aqua | ooo no federal sales tax |
| 21:59.58 | Aqua | no |
| 22:00.04 | Aqua | sorry i misunderstood you for a second |
| 22:00.06 | ccox | just state and local sales taxes |
| 22:00.16 | Lunessa_ | Sales taxes are local. |
| 22:00.28 | Lunessa_ | Income Tax is federal and can also be state. |
| 22:00.34 | DWSR | Yep |
| 22:00.38 | Aqua | yup |
| 22:00.44 | tekkub | inc tax can be local (city) too |
| 22:00.47 | Lunessa_ | One of the reasons I live in Texas is that there is no state income tax. |
| 22:01.15 | Aqua | Alaska doesn't have income tax either, but freaking indiana, we get raped |
| 22:02.18 | Lunessa_ | Basically - the larger your state population, the more social programs you have, and the smaller your industrial/business tax base, the more the individual ends up paying. |
| 22:02.49 | Aqua | Indiana is not a big state for industry, hence we get screwed |
| 22:03.02 | Aqua | we have a couple auto manufactureres |
| 22:03.04 | Lunessa_ | And no one ever, ever, ever, lets a state body stop paying for something. |
| 22:03.07 | foxlit | "I don't have lag in Dalaran. Perhaps your computer is a lemon." |
| 22:03.56 | ccox | fox - obvious troll is obvious |
| 22:04.25 | Lunessa_ | Ok, I'm done for the day, and I don't plan to stick around so some guys from NASA can decide they need me to help them with a projector 2 hours after my shift is over. I'm out of here. |
| 22:04.47 | foxlit | ccox: don't know, don't care. The lemon remark, however, is brilliant. |
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| 22:26.58 | Thunder_Child | not really foxlit |
| 22:29.57 | ScytheBlade1 | how can I get notepad++ to apply an XSD to an XML doc? |
| 22:30.06 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell, it isn't :/ |
| 22:31.11 | Arrowmaster | it probably cant |
| 22:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's advertised as supporting "XSD" |
| 22:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | If that means editing or usage I'm not sure |
| 22:31.40 | foxlit | probably highlighting |
| 22:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid jerks |
| 22:32.21 | foxlit | Hm, actually |
| 22:32.57 | foxlit | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/notepad-plus/index.php?title=Plugin_Central |
| 22:33.11 | foxlit | "The plugin features are:" ... "XML Schema (XSD) + DTD Validation" |
| 22:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | plugin huh |
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| 22:53.08 | Shirik | signs that you develop too much: |
| 22:53.25 | alestane | Back trouble? |
| 22:53.32 | Shirik | Typing C:\ into your file manager offers first suggestion of "C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons" |
| 22:53.50 | foxlit | You know, I just map the addons directory to X:\ |
| 22:54.07 | Thunder_Child | using C: for stuff = fail |
| 22:54.07 | Shirik | that's a pretty good idea |
| 22:54.14 | alestane | I have the World of Warcraft directory in my Finder Sidebar. |
| 22:54.16 | Shirik | pictures are on D: |
| 22:54.25 | Shirik | I took 8GB of pictures today whee |
| 22:54.30 | Shirik | and 7.5GB are going to be rejected |
| 22:54.55 | Thunder_Child | i usualy dont get rid of my crap pictures |
| 22:55.09 | Thunder_Child | though that is the reason i have ~125GB of pictures |
| 22:55.58 | Shirik | I don't either |
| 22:56.05 | Shirik | but I mark them as rejected in LR |
| 22:57.22 | Thunder_Child | 800 pics Shirik? |
| 22:57.27 | Shirik | hell no |
| 22:57.33 | Shirik | less than 300 for sure |
| 22:57.43 | Shirik | lua> 8*1024/22.5 |
| 22:57.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: 364.08888888889 |
| 22:57.54 | Thunder_Child | oh, 22, my raw is 10 |
| 22:57.54 | Shirik | I guess I didn't exclude the FS overhead |
| 22:58.35 | Shirik | looking at one card right now, has 137 pics |
| 22:58.58 | Shirik | they jump around from 21-26MB each |
| 22:59.04 | Shirik | I guess they use some kind of lossless compression |
| 23:00.10 | Thunder_Child | the CR2 is |
| 23:00.23 | Thunder_Child | RAW is the uncompressed |
| 23:00.32 | Shirik | yeah I mean what's on the card |
| 23:00.33 | Thunder_Child | CR2 is cannons compression |
| 23:00.35 | Shirik | i.e., the cr2 |
| 23:00.43 | Thunder_Child | canon* |
| 23:01.24 | Shirik | I wonder if this thing can tell me average cr2 size |
| 23:02.37 | Slafsinator | Thunder_Child: I've always wondered why people chose to format their HDDs into multiple static partitions |
| 23:02.39 | Slafsinator | whyyy!? |
| 23:02.59 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* who knows |
| 23:03.19 | Thunder_Child | legacy maybe |
| 23:03.28 | Slafsinator | it had some merit in the win98 days when everyone would format their C: in the weekends |
| 23:03.35 | Slafsinator | but it should hardly matter now ;P |
| 23:03.39 | Slafsinator | it will only fragment storage |
| 23:03.43 | alestane | I used to do that so that I wouldn't have to reformat my user files if I had to reinstall my OS. |
| 23:03.59 | alestane | But these days I usually mount another drive to be my user storage. |
| 23:04.35 | Shirik | I actually have two drives in my laptop |
| 23:04.38 | Slafsinator | I used to partition way back in time |
| 23:04.43 | Shirik | so one is pictures, and one is "everything else" |
| 23:04.53 | Slafsinator | then I realized all of them would end up with a folder called "Movies" on them |
| 23:04.57 | Slafsinator | and I facepalmed |
| 23:06.08 | Slafsinator | and I can fathom no scenario where partitioning could protect me from losing data upon the necessity of reinstalling the OS :) |
| 23:13.53 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: made any progress on that mission? |
| 23:15.17 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Not really. I am getting a little better and building forces aggressively, but about the time that a force of four reavers shows up, I don't usually have a counter ready. They always have an observer with them, or the dark templars would be good. What I really need is more scouts, but they're expensive and vulnerable to immortals. |
| 23:15.35 | alestane | Dragoons, rather. |
| 23:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | *dragoons, but close enou-- heh |
| 23:15.53 | alestane | Immortals are SC 2. |
| 23:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you fight the initial force, or just turn tail and run? |
| 23:16.15 | alestane | I've been coming around in favor of running. |
| 23:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, good |
| 23:16.48 | alestane | When I try to fight them, inevitably two or three draggons run for cover and train half my force behind them into the heart of a base. |
| 23:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, don't |
| 23:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | The second you have control, just turn tail and run, they won't follow |
| 23:17.38 | alestane | I lost one try in the first couple of minutes when Zeratul followed a dragoon straight into two photon cannons. |
| 23:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | how many probes do you build? |
| 23:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I never had resource troubles on that mission, at least that early |
| 23:19.02 | alestane | I got a little smarter last time about fortifying my base with fewer resources, building fewer cannons and pylons to save minerals for units and expansion. |
| 23:19.12 | alestane | A shield battery at the base entrance helps. |
| 23:19.20 | Thunder_Child | lol, the #1 most violent video game of 2008 is a sports game |
| 23:19.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It helps a ton if you can micro the defensive units properly |
| 23:19.33 | alestane | I've never gotten to the point where I could move into the expansion and still defend it. |
| 23:20.01 | alestane | I can usually get a nexus and a few cannons there, but then an attack force comes along and guts it. |
| 23:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's a very hard to defend position |
| 23:20.34 | alestane | I think usually by the time I lose, I have about a dozen to fifteen probes in the main area on minerals and three or four on gas. |
| 23:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Try this |
| 23:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Build a minimum of 20 probes right off the bat |
| 23:21.09 | alestane | Usually when I'm starting, I put one on minerals and the other to fortification, and immediately queue up five. |
| 23:21.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Put both on minerals |
| 23:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Definitely all on minerals |
| 23:21.49 | alestane | No cannons or pylons? |
| 23:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll need pylons for the probes, iirc |
| 23:22.00 | alestane | Just go nuts on resourcing? |
| 23:22.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 23:22.12 | alestane | You start with quite a bit of psi. |
| 23:22.26 | alestane | There are something like eight pylons up at the start. |
| 23:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty quickly you'll get to the point where you make more than you invest in probes |
| 23:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The moment that happens, cannons, gateway, cybernetics, (stargate && robotics) |
| 23:23.02 | alestane | Well, you start off with something like 2500 minerals, I usually like to spare one probe to spend some of it to start teching up to obsevers. |
| 23:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, that explains why you start with 2 probes then |
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| 23:24.10 | alestane | I'm slowly getting my brain around the fact that there are two economic models in Starcraft, and they're both valid; income and assets. |
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| 23:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I have this urge to reboot and try it again |
| 23:24.56 | alestane | I put together a formula that helps me determine how many probes/drones/SCVs I should build to get to a particular level of resources as quickly as possible. |
| 23:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 23:25.08 | alestane | I've done a lot of the early missions over again, actually. |
| 23:26.29 | alestane | It's simplistic, but it gives you a ballpark; if you need x minerals, graph (6.25(ln(x)-ln(starting probes)) + (desired resources)/8x) and look for the lowest point in the graph. the x-value at that point is the number of probes to build as quickly as possible. |
| 23:26.40 | alestane | not x minerals, I miswrote that. |
| 23:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ... that's kind of awesome |
| 23:27.26 | alestane | Basically, it graphs the time required to build up z minerals as a function of the number of probes you build. |
| 23:28.08 | Shirik | should play starcraft |
| 23:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 23:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | You start with a stargate |
| 23:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Build 8 scouts to start |
| 23:30.48 | Thunder_Child | alestane, is this for more than to just play the game? |
| 23:31.59 | alestane | Becasue there's a point where investing in more probes just slows down your ability to reach your goal. |
| 23:32.08 | Shirik | because you have to buy them |
| 23:32.23 | Shirik | but I'm not sure a number is what you should be looking for, alestane |
| 23:32.24 | Thunder_Child | just play the bloody game |
| 23:32.25 | alestane | Thunder_Child: It's only sort of practical, I was trying to get a better grasp for the basica dynamic. |
| 23:32.28 | Shirik | I would like to see the derivative of that graph |
| 23:32.40 | Shirik | I don't want to know how long it takes to get to some point |
| 23:32.40 | Thunder_Child | alestane, it's changed for SC2 |
| 23:32.59 | alestane | Shirik: The graph itself isbased on an integral. |
| 23:33.01 | Shirik | I want to know the optimal number of probes to reach a certain RATE of income |
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| 23:33.18 | Shirik | which I guess doesn't entirely make sense |
| 23:33.18 | alestane | But yes, the other way to think about the economy is interms of disposable income. |
| 23:33.35 | Shirik | but it kinda does |
| 23:33.37 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, so I had forgotten that you start out with a pretty complete tech tree |
| 23:33.47 | alestane | In the early game, the asset curve is more important, but once the game reaches a certain point, the income becomes the dominant metric. |
| 23:33.55 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Sort of. |
| 23:34.08 | ScytheBlade1 | missing a robitics facility and such, but that's about it |
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| 23:34.21 | alestane | You have a stargate and a gateway, you have a citadel, a forge and a Cybernetics core. |
| 23:34.26 | Shirik | the wierd part of this equation is that I think the minimal number of probes to reach a certain rate of income won't actually be the number of probes to hit that rate |
| 23:34.38 | Shirik | :( alestane plays protos |
| 23:34.40 | Shirik | protoss |
| 23:34.43 | alestane | None of them are researched, but they save you some building. |
| 23:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | .. protoss campaign! |
| 23:35.06 | alestane | Shirik: Only because I'm stuck in the bloody protoss campaign and already did the other two. |
| 23:35.15 | alestane | I prefer zerg, myself. |
| 23:35.20 | alestane | So far, anyway. |
| 23:35.28 | Cide | Shirik: ...what? |
| 23:35.37 | Cide | you're saying x != x |
| 23:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | just got my first reaver |
| 23:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I have 7 scouts |
| 23:36.37 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: But the two units I most want to start establishing some battlefield control are reavers and observers, and you need a templar archive if you want to upgrade your ground tech past level 1. |
| 23:36.56 | alestane | BUt I agree that I should probably build scouts much more aggressively at the beginning. |
| 23:36.57 | Shirik | Cide: Not quite |
| 23:37.05 | alestane | Anyway, I have to go be social now. |
| 23:37.14 | alestane | I'll catch people later. |
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| 23:39.13 | Shirik | (16:37:05) (@Shirik) I'm saying that to reach a given rate of income, you need to exceed that rate |
| 23:39.13 | Shirik | (16:37:14) (@Shirik) because you can't build nothing to hit that rate |
| 23:39.13 | Shirik | (16:37:29) (@Shirik) and even if you could, you'll get demolished |
| 23:39.15 | Shirik | Cide ^ |
| 23:39.40 | Cide | the rate of income is only dependent on the number of probes |
| 23:39.49 | Shirik | if you assume a rate of 0 expense |
| 23:39.53 | Cide | no |
| 23:39.59 | Shirik | ok, I should have clarified |
| 23:40.00 | Shirik | net income |
| 23:40.11 | Cide | yes, that's true |
| 23:40.31 | Shirik | or how about this |
| 23:40.45 | Shirik | number of probes to build 12 zealots in minimum time |
| 23:40.56 | Shirik | now there's a complicated question |
| 23:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | no it isn't @ dependent on number of probes |
| 23:41.25 | Shirik | because there's a whole other tree of data to consider |
| 23:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It's also dependent on the number of mineral patches available, and the distance to the resource depot |
| 23:41.30 | Shirik | should we build a second gateway? |
| 23:41.50 | Shirik | should we build 5? |
| 23:42.01 | Shirik | if 5, then probably 6 |
| 23:42.10 | Shirik | and on that note |
| 23:42.17 | Shirik | why does a person cost the same amount as a fricking stargate |
| 23:42.47 | Thunder_Child | balance |
| 23:42.49 | Shirik | gateway |
| 23:42.50 | Shirik | sorry |
| 23:43.46 | foxlit | wonders why all blizzard downloads cause hard disk churn. |
| 23:44.21 | Cide | Shirik: easily simulated programatically though |
| 23:44.28 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:44.36 | Shirik | but there should be some kind of math op to do it |
| 23:45.23 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, and high CPU use |
| 23:45.38 | foxlit | I mean, all it's doing is requesting chunks in random order through HTTP |
| 23:49.53 | Shirik | Cide: I think it requires a significant amount of multivariable calculus |
| 23:57.03 | foxlit | An amazing number of insects ends up perishing to what must be the equivalent of fourth-degree burns in my room at night :( |
| 23:57.13 | foxlit | Silly things keep flying into light-bulbs. |
| 23:58.34 | Cide | probably, Shirik |
