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| 00:13.31 | |Jelly| | ohai guys |
| 00:13.31 | Cairenn | hi |Jelly| |
| 00:13.31 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly| |
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| 00:16.17 | Aqua | wow, i'm level 80 and i'm hit capped for raid bosses and i just missed on a level 20 elite.... |
| 00:17.09 | Thunder_Child | Aqua, whats your hit? |
| 00:17.13 | Thunder_Child | rating |
| 00:17.39 | Aqua | like 330 something, idk, i'd have to log back in again |
| 00:17.57 | Thunder_Child | thats rather high |
| 00:18.06 | Thunder_Child | oh, nvm |
| 00:18.06 | Aqua | destro lock? |
| 00:18.21 | Thunder_Child | oh, spell hit |
| 00:18.23 | Aqua | yea |
| 00:19.13 | Thunder_Child | iirc however it's rounded, so you still have something liek a 0.01 or 0.001 miss chance |
| 00:19.19 | Thunder_Child | like* |
| 00:19.57 | Aqua | against a level 20 mob 60 levels lower? |
| 00:20.05 | Aqua | there is that still .001? |
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| 00:20.28 | Thunder_Child | it would seem so |
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| 00:21.53 | Adys | bleeter: kd3, ping |
| 00:23.31 | bleeter | Adys: pong? note, I have no active sub, so... ;) |
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| 00:23.43 | Adys | bleeter: got the last ptr patch? |
| 00:23.48 | bleeter | nope |
| 00:23.51 | Adys | bah |
| 00:23.57 | Adys | its complaining about free disk space here |
| 00:24.08 | Gnarfoz | no, there is no "1% you can't cover" anymore |
| 00:24.41 | Gnarfoz | and since misses and resists are finally differentiated... |
| 00:24.49 | Gnarfoz | something else should be to blame, probably. ;) |
| 00:25.21 | Aqua | must be a blizzard error |
| 00:26.45 | Aqua | kind of like why my statistics roll over 399 to 300 every time |
| 00:27.24 | Aqua | i still don't know why the hell that is doing that |
| 00:27.49 | foxlit | '#(?:(?<=[\A\s])[/*_+]+(?=[\z\S])|(?<=[\A\S])[/*_+]+(?=[\z\s.?!]))#' << it's an abomination. |
| 00:28.18 | Aqua | must be |
| 00:28.40 | foxlit | The question is, can I somehow determine which one of the two branches was chosen? |
| 00:29.32 | Gnarfoz | the one where you end up in a mental institution, I'm sure |
| 00:30.03 | foxlit | It's actually very symmetric. Unreadable, of course, but simple. |
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| 00:42.07 | Shirik | frowns |
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| 00:48.14 | Thunder_Child | ~smile Shirik |
| 00:48.26 | Thunder_Child | you failed me yet again purl |
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| 00:57.24 | Arrowmaster | rofl, i was forced to install debian stable then do an upgrade to testing due to a broken testing installer, while im doing the upgrade my gnome theme changes, wallpaper goes away and turns solid black, desktop icons disappear |
| 00:58.20 | Dagmar | THat's probably normal |
| 00:59.09 | Dagmar | Large pieces of that now go through dbus and a few other not-so-obvious mechanisms which likely got upgraded to the newer versions |
| 00:59.22 | Arrowmaster | now my screen is all black |
| 00:59.50 | Dagmar | Unless they've completely broken it it *should* work properly once you've restarted X |
| 00:59.51 | Arrowmaster | all i have is a mouse pointer |
| 01:00.07 | Arrowmaster | the problem is i dont know when to restart X |
| 01:00.11 | Dagmar | ctl-alt-backspace will kill X without a bhassle |
| 01:00.33 | Dagmar | If it was started by GDM, this'll just log you out and GDM will repop |
| 01:00.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah i have an aptitude full-upgrade running in a gnome-terminal |
| 01:00.50 | Adys | anyone on windows with chrome 2.x or 3.x ? |
| 01:00.56 | Dagmar | When X visibly has a meltdown during an upgrade is a good hint. l( |
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| 01:05.23 | Arrowmaster | i might have just done something bad |
| 01:06.10 | Gnarfoz | are you referring to doing a system upgrade from the GUI? ;) |
| 01:06.25 | Arrowmaster | no, i tried to change the display resolution then it wouldnt let me login |
| 01:06.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah i cant login |
| 01:07.06 | Gnarfoz | meh, I need to get some of the other melee DPS to spend some more of their dkp ;p |
| 01:08.57 | Arrowmaster | i fixed it |
| 01:15.21 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: screen(1) is your friend ;) |
| 01:21.27 | ZorbaTHut | you know what boss would absolutely destroy guilds |
| 01:21.46 | ZorbaTHut | a boss that puts up zones around the map. anyone standing in a zone doubles their DPS, and increases the boss's attack damage and speed by 10% |
| 01:22.50 | ZorbaTHut | balance it such that you can't kill it within enrage if nobody stands in zones, but he slaughters the boss if everyone does |
| 01:24.03 | ZorbaTHut | er, slaughters the tank |
| 01:24.35 | Dewin | I'm still waiting for the fight where you're supposed to stand in a fire. |
| 01:24.56 | ZorbaTHut | they came close on hodir |
| 01:25.00 | ZorbaTHut | you wanted to stand *near* fire |
| 01:25.06 | Dewin | yeah, not quite what I had in mind |
| 01:25.26 | Dewin | I had an idea with some sort of severe debuff that could only be cleansed by standing in a fire. |
| 01:25.33 | Dewin | but the fire would still damage you, so you can't just stay there the whole fight |
| 01:27.04 | Gnarfoz | Eredar Twins was a bit like that |
| 01:27.16 | Gnarfoz | not quite there, but similar |
| 01:27.23 | Dewin | I never did sunwell |
| 01:43.52 | smoke__ | event UNIT_AURA is fired whenever _any_ npc/player gets a buff/debuff? |
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| 01:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 01:45.59 | Conexion | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_AURA - Yup :) |
| 01:46.01 | Conexion | blah |
| 01:46.06 | Conexion | ScytheBlade1 beat me :p |
| 01:46.23 | smoke__ | thank you |
| 01:46.27 | smoke__ | also |
| 01:46.47 | smoke__ | ive been working with oUF, alto fo the layout functions have the "unit" variable is this global to all wow lua? |
| 01:47.01 | smoke__ | or is it init/passsed to the actual oUF core? |
| 01:47.16 | Shirik | there certainly isn't a global "unit" |
| 01:47.18 | Shirik | what would it reference? |
| 01:47.58 | smoke__ | well basically i'm trying to make an addon when a unit gets a debuff it will announce it to chat |
| 01:48.24 | smoke__ | do i need to make some sort of scanning function to check each unit in range? |
| 01:48.58 | Gnarfoz | no, the event also tells you which unit |
| 01:49.04 | Gnarfoz | (like Conexion's link says) |
| 01:58.42 | Shirik | now this is how you play peggle |
| 01:58.46 | Shirik | one ball: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/78f2ec37c530718544c5534fd43c1521.jpg |
| 01:59.17 | Adys | lol |
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| 01:59.27 | Shirik | I win so hardcore |
| 01:59.47 | Gnarfoz | too bad I don't know Peggle :X |
| 01:59.48 | Shirik | Iriel wins too |
| 01:59.56 | Iriel | hm? |
| 01:59.56 | Shirik | because I used devtools to help out >.> |
| 01:59.57 | sacarasc | Shirik: Cheating bastard. |
| 02:00.13 | Shirik | Iriel: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/78f2ec37c530718544c5534fd43c1521.jpg |
| 02:00.15 | Shirik | one ball |
| 02:00.41 | Shirik | final score was 3266060 btw |
| 02:00.52 | Adys | Shirik always shows off his one ball. |
| 02:03.48 | Iriel | Adys: I guess the strategy is make the best advantage of that which you're given |
| 02:06.39 | Shirik | I'm trying to get them all down in one ball |
| 02:06.41 | Shirik | but it's not working :( |
| 02:07.01 | Wobin | http://www.mademoisellebourjois.com.au/?utm_source=missy#/gallery/ |
| 02:07.14 | Wobin | vote for my friend's friend =P Angelique! |
| 02:07.55 | Wobin | (this is what internet relationships are all about... forcing interaction upon complete strangers to do random things that mean little to them =)) |
| 02:08.04 | Conexion | Am I missing anything here that would prevent my button from showing? - <Button name="$parent_OptionButton" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate2" text="Options"> |
| 02:08.26 | Shirik | Adys: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5cefda2f1086e7973684ded8d9cd1649.jpg |
| 02:08.27 | Conexion | I have the size and anchor declared as well below it |
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| 02:10.24 | Adys | things not to do: |
| 02:10.30 | Adys | - what I just did |
| 02:10.45 | Shirik | Adys part 2: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5cefda2f1086e7973684ded8d9cd1649.jpg |
| 02:10.56 | Adys | Dude |
| 02:11.12 | Adys | I misclicked |
| 02:11.22 | Adys | I right clicked, instead of left-clicking |
| 02:11.36 | Adys | how much I miss my mac all of a sudden |
| 02:12.04 | Adys | So I wanted to move the wow window (meta+leftclick) |
| 02:12.09 | Adys | but meta+rightclick is resize |
| 02:12.10 | Shirik | who wants a mac |
| 02:12.11 | Shirik | seriously |
| 02:12.16 | Adys | and resize in wine and opengl apps is .... |
| 02:12.27 | Adys | with kwin enabled |
| 02:12.50 | Adys | so the screen spanned all the way accross the second screen |
| 02:12.56 | Adys | and since dual monitor support is fucked |
| 02:13.03 | Iriel | Shirik: I do |
| 02:13.04 | Adys | it started screwing up the first monitor |
| 02:13.09 | Adys | I hard-quit wow |
| 02:13.11 | Iriel | Shirik: But I have 2 so i'm fine |
| 02:13.23 | Adys | and it started spinning the screen and everything went stalling |
| 02:13.46 | Adys | I had to ssh from the laptop, kill kdm because it wasnt responding to initscripts |
| 02:14.09 | Adys | then kill xorg, restart kdm still through ssh (couldnt switch to a tty) |
| 02:14.21 | Conexion | Am I not allowed to put a <Button> inside of a <Frame>? |
| 02:14.30 | Iriel | Conexion: You ccertainly can |
| 02:14.42 | Adys | I land on kdm and everything is still fucked, and its gone to 8bit color display |
| 02:14.47 | Conexion | And how about a Button inside of a Layer? |
| 02:14.57 | Adys | Shirik |
| 02:15.00 | Adys | I misclicked. |
| 02:15.09 | Adys | things not to do: misclicking. |
| 02:15.18 | Shirik | things not to do: piss off a mac |
| 02:15.25 | Adys | its not a mac |
| 02:15.25 | Shirik | because then it bombs you |
| 02:15.30 | Iriel | Conexion: Layers are for regions, not frames, so no |
| 02:15.38 | Shirik | things not to do: piss off a PC |
| 02:15.39 | Adys | my graphic card almost overheat here |
| 02:15.42 | Shirik | because then it does what you told it to do |
| 02:15.45 | Shirik | and explodes |
| 02:15.54 | Adys | i fucking misclicked |
| 02:15.56 | Wobin | "That'll show him!" |
| 02:16.15 | Adys | imagine you have two buttons, one "Do something normal" and the other "ASSPLODE CARD" |
| 02:16.17 | Iriel | Shirik: Did you have some kind of unhappy mac experience lately? |
| 02:16.17 | Adys | and you misclick |
| 02:18.01 | Shirik | not really |
| 02:18.09 | Shirik | I just don't understand macs |
| 02:18.13 | Conexion | Any ideas why my button won't show up unless I take it out of the frame, and then it only shows up behind the frame? - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117609-1izp |
| 02:18.45 | Adys | what's wrong with macs? |
| 02:19.37 | Iriel | Modern ones, not the wierd cultish versions of the past |
| 02:20.07 | Adys | screw you, my SE still works you know |
| 02:20.18 | Iriel | Yeah, but they're.... wierd |
| 02:20.42 | Iriel | They were kind of cool before networking showed up and drew attention to just how wierd they were |
| 02:21.20 | Adys | mac os classic was pretty amazing |
| 02:23.31 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:24.15 | Thunder_Child | then they compounded their wierdness with appletalk |
| 02:24.21 | Wobin | http://www.pinktentacle.com/2009/07/video-paperclips-do-magnetic-dance-on-train/ |
| 02:25.25 | Wobin | there you go, for advice, never leave magnetic sensitive equipment on the floors of trains =) |
| 02:26.21 | Conexion | Hopefully they kept their video equipment far enough away from the magnets! |
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| 02:29.09 | Wobin | Conexion: from the looks of it, the field wasn't enough to affect the video camera |
| 02:29.18 | Wobin | and it's not magnets perse |
| 02:29.25 | Wobin | just a magnetic field from the engines |
| 02:29.45 | Iriel | I'm fairly sure your sensitive electronics dont discriminate on the source of a magnetic field |
| 02:30.23 | Wobin | well... it'd be wrong to say they have 'magnets' under the floor of the carriages |
| 02:30.44 | Wobin | I mean the electronics don't care where the field comes from, but that's not a maglev train |
| 02:35.25 | Gnarfoz | so! |
| 02:35.33 | Gnarfoz | your favourite ST:TNG episode is...? |
| 02:36.05 | Adys | the one where everyone dies |
| 02:36.27 | Gnarfoz | everyone, except Dr. Crusher :X |
| 02:36.52 | Gnarfoz | since she's trapped in a collapsing warp bubble! |
| 02:37.29 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't know another one that'd fit that description somehow, off the top of my head |
| 02:37.31 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 02:40.50 | Shirik | who cares about TNG |
| 02:40.55 | Shirik | Voyager is where it's at |
| 02:43.32 | Gnarfoz | you don't want to go down that road ;P |
| 02:43.49 | Thunder_Child | What Shirik said |
| 02:44.27 | Gnarfoz | anyway, only got TNG on HDD and just want to watch a random episode that I maaaybe have forgotten the plot of by now |
| 02:45.51 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, there was one that everyone died repeatedly |
| 02:46.02 | Gnarfoz | sure thing, the one with the recurring 3s |
| 02:46.07 | Shirik | favorite voyager episode: The Omega Directive |
| 02:46.08 | Thunder_Child | yeo |
| 02:46.10 | Thunder_Child | yep* |
| 02:46.15 | Gnarfoz | because Riker's idea about why shit was going on was right |
| 02:46.15 | Gnarfoz | etc |
| 02:46.31 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 02:46.42 | Gnarfoz | or rather |
| 02:47.01 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Favorite voyager episode |
| 02:47.01 | Shirik | go |
| 02:47.19 | Gnarfoz | as clues to data to trust Riker's judgement on... shortly before they crash into the other ship |
| 02:47.25 | Gnarfoz | *Data |
| 02:47.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, not sure actually |
| 02:47.38 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, yep |
| 02:47.41 | Gnarfoz | blah why can I recall ST episodes I last watched years ago but not who I went to the movies with last week? :p |
| 02:47.57 | Gnarfoz | Omega Directive is awesome |
| 02:48.05 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 02:48.29 | p3lim | how come Interface\\GroupFrame\\UI-Group-AssistantIcon aint there on my wow client? |
| 02:48.42 | Conexion | Blizzard doesn't like you |
| 02:49.08 | Conexion | I'm actually not sure, that's odd |
| 02:49.33 | p3lim | its not in the art browser over at wowprogramming neither |
| 02:49.58 | p3lim | but blizzard uses it in their code |
| 02:50.01 | Conexion | I see that |
| 02:50.03 | Conexion | hmm |
| 02:50.12 | Conexion | They're hackers :p |
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| 02:51.59 | p3lim | ive seen other people able to use this texture just fine |
| 02:53.39 | p3lim | must be some explanation to this |
| 03:03.55 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:03.55 | kd3 | adys; aok here. 'course, I've got like 500 gigs free on the partition it's installed on at present |
| 03:03.58 | Wobin | "a police officer said live on tv, following the crash of a cattle truck heading to the abbatoir, that they 'were trying to save as many of the animals as possible'." |
| 03:04.36 | Dagmar | lol |
| 03:04.46 | Adys | kd3: patch exe name? |
| 03:06.00 | Esamynn | WTF - Instance not Found, trying to zone into Ulduar! :( |
| 03:06.19 | Wobin | "It's right -there-!" |
| 03:06.28 | kd3 | WoW-0.2.0.10083-to-0.2.0.10116-enUS-patch.exe |
| 03:06.44 | Adys | thanks ill check if i mounted something fuckly. |
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| 03:23.44 | kd3 | egah, kadokawa are such goddamn trolls |
| 03:24.00 | kd3 | 5 eps of endless 8 and they're /still/ not done looping |
| 03:25.09 | Thunder_Child | thats one of the more confusing things you have said kd3 |
| 03:28.00 | Gnarfoz | true.dat |
| 03:28.52 | *** part/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 03:30.39 | Arrowmaster | yet i know what hes talking about |
| 03:31.02 | kd3 | the people who I was addressing that to got it, so it works for me |
| 03:32.04 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/7704/look-at-the-size-of-it/ |
| 03:32.12 | Adys | I bloody love django's filter system |
| 03:32.22 | Adys | bloody bloody love it |
| 03:32.43 | Corrodias | what is django? |
| 03:32.57 | Shirik | Pop quiz |
| 03:32.59 | Shirik | what's wrong with this: |
| 03:33.03 | Adys | you |
| 03:33.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's no flanges on it. |
| 03:33.15 | Shirik | /script f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, evt, msg, player) if msg:match("^\\$*$") then SendChatMessage(("?"):rep(#msg+1), "WHISPER", nil, player) end end); |
| 03:33.25 | Shirik | If someone sends me ? it should send them reply of ?? |
| 03:34.09 | Adys | uh |
| 03:34.12 | Adys | regexes in lua? |
| 03:34.26 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("?"):match("^\\$*$") |
| 03:34.27 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 03:34.44 | Shirik | lolol |
| 03:34.46 | Shirik | what a stupid mistak |
| 03:34.50 | Shirik | first $ should be ? |
| 03:34.50 | Wobin | how does \$* match? |
| 03:35.00 | Adys | i was wondering too |
| 03:35.08 | Adys | Hey Shirik |
| 03:35.09 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/quests/?itemrewards__stub=1&requirements__name=item |
| 03:35.11 | Adys | django is awesome |
| 03:35.19 | Wobin | lua> ("?"):match("^\\?*$") |
| 03:35.19 | lua_bot | Wobin: nil |
| 03:35.26 | Wobin | lua> ("?"):match("^\?*$") |
| 03:35.27 | lua_bot | Wobin: ? |
| 03:35.39 | Wobin | shirik --^ |
| 03:35.48 | Shirik | shouldn't it be \\? |
| 03:36.03 | Wobin | I don't think so, you're escaping the special character of ? |
| 03:36.08 | Wobin | not looking for \? |
| 03:36.17 | Adys | he needs to escape the backslash itself |
| 03:36.19 | Shirik | ah damn it |
| 03:36.21 | Shirik | it's % |
| 03:36.22 | Wobin | or rather escaping the slash, and specialcharactering the ? |
| 03:36.22 | Shirik | not \ |
| 03:36.23 | Adys | unless lua doesnt care about it |
| 03:36.27 | Shirik | been doing too many regexes lately :( |
| 03:36.29 | Adys | yeah |
| 03:36.37 | Adys | see regex in lua ftl |
| 03:36.58 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("?"):match("^%?*$") |
| 03:36.58 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 03:37.03 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("?????"):match("^%?*$") |
| 03:37.04 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: ????? |
| 03:37.13 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("?????!"):match("^%?*$") |
| 03:37.16 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 03:37.43 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 03:37.44 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 03:38.16 | Shirik | how about /script f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, evt, msg, player) if msg:match("^\\$*$") then SendChatMessage(("?"):rep(#msg+1), (evt:match("CHAT_MSG_(.+)")), nil, player) end end); |
| 03:38.20 | Shirik | er |
| 03:38.24 | Wobin | Adys: how does one submit to that page? |
| 03:38.27 | Shirik | how about /script f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, evt, msg, player) if msg:match("^%?*$") then SendChatMessage(("?"):rep(#msg+1), (evt:match("CHAT_MSG_(.+)")), nil, player) end end); |
| 03:38.34 | Adys | Wobin: be very funny while im awake |
| 03:38.44 | Wobin | shirik: should work |
| 03:39.42 | Wobin | to send back the repeated ???? to the same channel? |
| 03:39.48 | Wobin | er via the same method? |
| 03:40.22 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:40.25 | Shirik | that totally replies to mysel |
| 03:40.27 | Shirik | which is bad |
| 03:40.28 | Shirik | very bad |
| 03:40.42 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:41.15 | Shirik | so /script f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, evt, msg, player) if player ~= UnitName"player" and msg:match("^\\$*$") then SendChatMessage(("?"):rep(#msg+1), (evt:match("CHAT_MSG_(.+)")), nil, player) end end); |
| 03:41.28 | Wobin | mmm infiniteloopy |
| 03:42.27 | Arrowmaster | what the hell localhost doesnt resolve on my new linux install |
| 03:42.43 | Adys | firewall? |
| 03:43.01 | Arrowmaster | nslookup localhost finds nothing |
| 03:43.08 | Thunder_Child | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-06-06.aspx |
| 03:44.03 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: I like the Uwe Boll option |
| 03:44.58 | Wobin | hehe http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-06-09.aspx |
| 03:45.00 | Corrodias | the punchline in this one is taken from Roseanne. http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-06-05.aspx |
| 03:45.08 | Corrodias | TAKEN!~ |
| 03:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol win @ soundblaster IRQs |
| 03:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That alone could quite possibly explain everything |
| 03:46.19 | Wobin | It's true =( |
| 03:46.20 | Thunder_Child | "Auras: Any paladin aura active at the time of the paladin's death now automatically reactivates when the paladin returns to life." <-- very happy |
| 03:46.33 | Thunder_Child | always forget that crap |
| 03:49.19 | Wobin | I get irritated when switching DK specs |
| 03:49.31 | Wobin | and not being in a Presence |
| 03:49.42 | |Jelly| | seriously |
| 03:52.59 | Shirik | Epic macro of epicness: /script f=CreateFrame"FRAME"; f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_RAID") f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD") f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER") f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, evt, msg, player) if player ~= UnitName"player" and msg:match("^%?*$") then SendChatMessage(("?"):rep(#msg+1), (evt:match("CHAT_MSG_(.+)")), nil, player) end end); |
| 03:53.38 | sacarasc | What does it do? |
| 03:54.07 | Adys | kd3: which wine version do you use? |
| 03:54.15 | kd3 | fedora's 1.1.25 |
| 03:54.18 | Shirik | Every time someone puts ? in guild, raid, or whisper |
| 03:54.21 | Shirik | you respond with ?? |
| 03:54.26 | Shirik | if they put ??, you respond with ??? |
| 03:54.28 | Shirik | and so forth |
| 03:54.39 | Wobin | mmm |
| 03:54.45 | Wobin | maybe not epic |
| 03:54.47 | Wobin | maybe just rare |
| 03:54.52 | Shirik | totally epic |
| 03:54.54 | Shirik | almost legendary |
| 03:54.58 | theorbtwo | Wow. All you need is two of you running it, one of you to type "?", and everybody gets disconnected! |
| 03:55.04 | Shirik | actually |
| 03:55.10 | Shirik | there was already a really annoying bug |
| 03:55.15 | Shirik | forgot the UnitName"player" part |
| 03:55.25 | Wobin | who needs someone -else-? =P |
| 03:55.32 | Shirik | and um |
| 03:55.36 | Shirik | spammed the hell out of raid chat |
| 03:55.43 | Wobin | You need a companion macro |
| 03:55.48 | Wobin | that turns off the frame =P |
| 03:56.05 | Adys | kd3: bah. ill try with ubuntu's wine maybe I fucked the compile settings |
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| 03:56.44 | sacarasc | Your wine is broken, Adys? |
| 03:56.49 | Adys | Actually nvm |
| 03:56.54 | Adys | even 1.0.1 gives same error |
| 04:02.46 | Adys | maybe its the engb patch... lemme check |
| 04:03.07 | Adys | wow |
| 04:03.08 | Adys | it is |
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| 04:05.55 | Adys | kd3: can you try opening this? http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/patches/3.2.0/ptr/WoW-0.2.0.10083-to-0.2.0.10116-enGB-patch.exe |
| 04:10.20 | Wobin | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-04-29.aspx |
| 04:11.42 | Adys | well.. nvm that |
| 04:11.48 | Adys | looks like my download was just corrupt |
| 04:12.12 | Adys | fbd5c61d3090d24e38e47d2cc78cf7c9 WoW-0.2.0.10083-to-0.2.0.10116-enGB-patch.exe |
| 04:13.25 | sacarasc | Faildys. |
| 04:13.33 | sacarasc | But it's OK, I still love you. |
| 04:13.46 | Adys | get off you freak |
| 04:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious. Anyone on vista? |
| 04:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | If so, open the help center, and ask it "fighting tanks with unicorns" |
| 04:16.11 | Shirik | I'm on 7 |
| 04:16.12 | Shirik | close enough |
| 04:16.54 | Thunder_Child | nothing on 7 |
| 04:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | nothing? disappointing |
| 04:17.03 | Corrodias | server 2008 says "0 results for "fighting tanks with unicorns"" |
| 04:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Also disappointing |
| 04:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Under Vista is pulled up "How accurate is the battery meter?" |
| 04:17.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:17.38 | Corrodias | even the mighty secrets of the server version do not hold information on unicorns |
| 04:18.05 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: what possessed you to search for that phrase in the first place? |
| 04:18.18 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:18.19 | Shirik | seriously |
| 04:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It wasn't me, it was my friend |
| 04:22.05 | kd3 | Adys, downloaded and ran fine (got the 'this build does not need to be applied' error message) |
| 04:22.16 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: tested on another vista, confirmed |
| 04:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 04:22.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Why it does that |
| 04:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea |
| 04:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But it was both an incredibly random question with an equally random answer |
| 04:22.53 | ScytheBlade1 | s/both // |
| 04:23.03 | Shirik | what's wierd is |
| 04:23.07 | Shirik | if you misspell it by one letter |
| 04:23.09 | Shirik | nothing comes up |
| 04:23.17 | Shirik | so obviously it's matching something |
| 04:25.50 | Adys | kd3: ya it was just my download that was corrupt |
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| 04:26.18 | Conexion | Should both frames have the gradient, both be solid, or keep it like it is? :) http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4408/addone2.jpg (ignore the slight math error, I've fixed that :P) |
| 04:27.22 | Corrodias | my preferences on my UI were generally for things to be solid or at least have a consistent amount of transparency, not gradient...ed |
| 04:27.49 | Corrodias | but the options window, i guess, i wouldn't really care that much about |
| 04:28.30 | Conexion | Yeah, hmmmm. |
| 04:28.57 | Corrodias | but maybe you shouldn't listen to me. i had an awful, cluttered UI. |
| 04:29.01 | Corrodias | you couldn't see shit. |
| 04:29.19 | Conexion | Haha, naw any opinion is welcome :P |
| 04:30.44 | Adys | Conexion: gradient is always a bit wonky |
| 04:31.17 | Adys | Id have to see your addon as a whole to give a good opinion, but here I think solid non-transparent will do |
| 04:31.48 | Adys | but in general worry about how it looks later on |
| 04:32.05 | Conexion | Alright :) Sounds good. And yeah, I'll worry about that more later |
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| 04:38.23 | Wobin | http://www.goodreads.com/interviews/show/38.China_Mi_ville?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Jun_newsletter |
| 04:38.35 | Wobin | This man's vocabulary is ... stunning =P |
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| 05:13.47 | Shirik | pokes Cairenn |
| 05:13.59 | Cairenn | hugs Shirik |
| 05:14.38 | Arrowmaster | is initializing a 4.55TB RAID6 |
| 05:15.09 | Shirik | is initializing Cairennhugs |
| 05:15.39 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 05:39.48 | dolby | did your upgrade the firmware on your raid hug controller Shirik? doesnt look like it worked |
| 05:39.59 | Shirik | it worked perfectly fine |
| 05:40.12 | dolby | only 1 hug? |
| 05:41.47 | Corrodias | gives dolby a reacharound |
| 05:41.59 | dolby | ! |
| 05:42.00 | Shirik | ! |
| 05:44.05 | Shirik | Cairenn gives hugs all the time |
| 05:44.08 | Shirik | without request |
| 05:44.20 | Shirik | that's how good the firmware is |
| 05:44.24 | Shirik | it's subliminal |
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| 05:55.42 | Shirik | you know what |
| 05:55.48 | Shirik | humans are so egotistical it makes me sick |
| 05:55.55 | Shirik | how can we have a paegeant called "Miss Universe" |
| 05:56.14 | Shirik | what proof do we have that we're the only living beings in the universe. And on top of that, what proof do we have that we're the only sentient ones on Earth |
| 05:56.42 | Thunder_Child | because "Miss Universe as we know it" just doesnt sound as good |
| 05:56.58 | Shirik | so call it "Miss Earth" |
| 05:57.00 | Shirik | is it that bad? |
| 05:57.02 | daev` | until someone else shows up, we'll keep calling it that! |
| 05:57.10 | Shirik | who the fuck gave you the right to say "we rule the universe hell yeah" |
| 05:57.24 | Shirik | you can't even get past your own damn moon |
| 05:57.30 | Shirik | and you're going to say we rule the universe? |
| 05:57.45 | theorbtwo | She's the most beutiful amongst all the beings in the universe who put their entry forms in according to the rules. |
| 05:58.13 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:58.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, marketing ploy != egotistical |
| 05:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009479123_starbucks16.html |
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| 06:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to hack off this 3.5mm audio plug and put a new one on |
| 06:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It only works if I keep in at a specific rotation, or I only get the left channel :/ |
| 06:18.40 | theorbtwo | That's, er, special. |
| 06:21.00 | bleeter | http://www.saveie6.com/ |
| 06:25.12 | bleeter | so who here's played with prosidy? |
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| 06:28.58 | Thunder_Child | someones mom |
| 06:34.19 | Arrowmaster | 1hour 15minutes later and im only at 45% of initializing that 4.55tb raid6 |
| 06:38.14 | Gnarfoz | what did you expect? :D |
| 06:40.15 | Gnarfoz | hu-mons! |
| 06:41.45 | Thunder_Child | amsuing, i was just watching a ferangi |
| 06:41.51 | Thunder_Child | ferengi* |
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| 06:41.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lothaer] by ChanServ |
| 06:42.07 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
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| 06:42.42 | Gnarfoz | someone should make a mashup of star trek characters saying 'indeed' and Teal'c saying 'indeed', alternating |
| 06:43.07 | Gnarfoz | dunno if there's enough 'indeed' in ST, but then, there's like 5 times as much material :D |
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| 07:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, http://subbooks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/helvetica2.jpg |
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| 07:20.27 | Wobin | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2009-01-16.aspx |
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| 07:22.52 | Wobin | so.. Starbucks is... unstarbucksing? |
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| 07:23.41 | bleeter | Wobin: din't you see Chaser last night? :P |
| 07:26.29 | Wobin | nyet |
| 07:26.37 | Wobin | what did they hit? |
| 07:30.34 | Conexion | Unstarbucking? o_0 |
| 07:31.30 | Wobin | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009479123_starbucks16.html |
| 07:32.38 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5316269/concrete-crusher-vs-concrete-is-as-entertaining-as-youd-expect?autoplay=true |
| 07:33.04 | Conexion | Curious. I live just outside Seattle and hadn't heard that. |
| 07:35.52 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: hehe reminds me of that shredder they threw the metal barrel into |
| 07:37.36 | Fisker | herro Wobin |
| 07:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Conexion: you clearly don't read the stranger blog, then :P |
| 07:42.14 | bleeter | Wobin: they tried opening a starbucks in the middle of a starbucks in manhattan... they also tried getting royalties from dick cheney for all the barney dinosaur songs played @ gitmo.. amongst other stuff |
| 07:42.18 | bleeter | Wobin: get yer iview out :P |
| 07:43.10 | Conexion | NightHawkTheSane: I hear about it, is it something I should look into? :p |
| 07:43.15 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5315634/us-state-department-rejects-firefox-which-is-entirely-free-due-to-expense-questions |
| 07:43.30 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* if you like the stranger, the slog is more of the same. :P |
| 07:43.46 | NightHawkTheSane | goes to sleep |
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| 07:47.25 | Thunder_Child | massive win http://www.goofram.com/ |
| 07:47.48 | ZorbaBeta | wow, that is a terrible article. free things *aren't* really free, he's right |
| 07:48.35 | Fisker | obliterates Thunder_Child |
| 07:48.47 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleshield |
| 07:48.48 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield thunder_child from the blast. |
| 07:49.09 | Fisker | i'm on a boat Thunder_Child |
| 07:49.30 | Thunder_Child | sinks Fisker's boat |
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| 07:49.49 | Fisker | oh yeah? |
| 07:49.51 | Fisker | I'm still on it |
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| 07:55.21 | Vonhinten | Yep, he is right, free things aren't free. And it would definitely not directly save money to switch, since IE is also free... |
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| 07:58.55 | Antiarc | HAY |
| 07:59.00 | Antiarc | Ya'll should come test out my Mumble server |
| 08:01.26 | _rane | sry, got my own |
| 08:01.29 | _rane | 8d |
| 08:02.20 | Antiarc | I'm trying awfully hard to convert people and they're all "lol, it's not vent" |
| 08:04.01 | Slafsinator | even getting people to use vent 3.0 over the ancient vent 2.1.x should have had its own feat of strength ingame, it takes effort to make people change voip application |
| 08:04.11 | Antiarc | Indeed. |
| 08:04.15 | Antiarc | Mumble's awesome, though |
| 08:04.29 | Antiarc | I'm self-hosting on a Linode VM, and I have more bandwidth than I know what to do with |
| 08:04.44 | Antiarc | After running a week with 2 25-man raids and 3 10-man raids using it, I've used 1% of my monthly quota. |
| 08:05.15 | bleeter | CELT codec FTW! |
| 08:05.20 | bleeter | that shit's freakin' hot as |
| 08:06.24 | Antiarc | That's only in the Mumble 1.2 series, yes? |
| 08:07.33 | Antiarc | I haven't been able to get the 1.2 murmur to compile yet |
| 08:07.53 | Wobin | Mumble is cool =) |
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| 08:09.06 | bleeter | Antiarc: no idea |
| 08:09.16 | bleeter | Antiarc: I'm just interested in the codec, not the apps ;) |
| 08:10.26 | Antiarc | Man, this is why I love open source |
| 08:10.38 | Antiarc | I checked the git repo for Mumble, and see commits as early as 7 hours ago |
| 08:10.47 | Antiarc | Vent feels like a stale product, Mumble's continually improving |
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| 08:16.53 | ZorbaBeta | antiarc, what kind of actual bandwidth is it using, in terms of GB? |
| 08:17.19 | Antiarc | I've used 2.26 GB over the past week |
| 08:17.37 | Antiarc | But that also includes the inital server setup (about 600mb) and tests with an Icecast server |
| 08:17.54 | ZorbaBeta | *nods* that's not too much |
| 08:18.18 | Antiarc | http://i30.tinypic.com/2gsnxms.png |
| 08:18.24 | Antiarc | That's the usage graph over the last week |
| 08:18.29 | Antiarc | You can obviously tell when raids are :P |
| 08:18.40 | ZorbaBeta | yes ;) |
| 08:18.59 | Arrowmaster | how the hell did you get a guild to switch to mumble? |
| 08:19.15 | Antiarc | I'm the tech guy for my guild |
| 08:19.21 | Antiarc | I tell them what we use and we use it |
| 08:19.30 | Antiarc | http://i25.tinypic.com/2vw9yrt.png <-- past 24 hours |
| 08:20.02 | Antiarc | Mumble has at least one distinct advantage over Vent to the end user - it has far lower latency |
| 08:20.08 | Antiarc | None of this 2-second delay crap |
| 08:21.01 | ZorbaBeta | I'd recommend it to my guild, but we can't even get our paladins to use pallypower |
| 08:21.09 | ZorbaBeta | no way would we switch voice systems :/ |
| 08:21.21 | bleeter | Antiarc: sorry, yeah.. CELT is the patent-free codec by the SPEEX guys... ie, they know their shit, and how to do it. it's sweet as :) |
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| 08:22.03 | bleeter | speex is nice, but... ugh so old and troublesome not merely for the patent issues |
| 08:22.10 | bleeter | bah Antiarc, you dc'd lol |
| 08:22.18 | bleeter | Antiarc: sorry, yeah.. CELT is the patent-free codec by the SPEEX guys... ie, they know their shit, and how to do it. it's sweet as :) speex is nice, but... ugh so old and troublesome not merely for the patent issues |
| 08:22.23 | Antiarc | I did, yeah :/ |
| 08:22.27 | Antiarc | Awesome. |
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| 08:22.33 | Antiarc | I am seriously looking forward to the 1.2 series |
| 08:22.38 | Antiarc | It's gonna have a lot of really neat stuff |
| 08:22.53 | bleeter | we had a demo at linux.conf.au, and I was seriously impressed. the BBC looked impressed, too ;) |
| 08:22.57 | Antiarc | And noticably better quality over Vent has the potential to be the impetus for mass switch |
| 08:23.09 | Antiarc | "Hey, mumble sounds 10x better than Vent, come try it out" |
| 08:23.19 | Antiarc | Same reason people ditched Teamspeak (lol?) |
| 08:23.53 | bleeter | mumble + prosoy could be a rather win combo ;) |
| 08:23.57 | bleeter | *prosody |
| 08:24.20 | bleeter | although clearly some more direct combo would be better, it'd still be rather nice |
| 08:24.21 | Antiarc | I hadn't heard of prosody before |
| 08:24.28 | bleeter | lua jabber server |
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| 08:24.34 | Antiarc | interesting |
| 08:24.36 | bleeter | I hadn't heard of it 'til today, either. |
| 08:24.47 | bleeter | *xmpp |
| 08:25.30 | bleeter | i'd had a little play with ejabber, .. the learning erlang thing's a curve. interesting, still a curve ;) |
| 08:25.34 | Antiarc | I really think that Mumble could seriously compete with Vent. Literally the only thing Vent has over it is mindshare, IMO |
| 08:25.42 | Antiarc | erlang is on my short list to learn. |
| 08:26.00 | bleeter | soon as mumble's coupled with xmpp and funky web interfact for free... ;) |
| 08:26.08 | bleeter | *interface |
| 08:26.15 | Antiarc | Well, it already does web interfaces with dbus and ice |
| 08:26.32 | Antiarc | So if you could wrap up an xmpp layer on top of dbus, you're golden |
| 08:36.29 | bleeter | that's not too hard, just wish XMPP used something other than XML |
| 08:36.40 | bleeter | kinda like people using USB for networking, XMP for comms is.. ugh |
| 08:40.55 | msoul | is there only one daily in dalaran for that currency for jc? |
| 08:41.01 | msoul | or more |
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| 08:54.30 | ZorbaBeta | only one, though it's chosen randomly out of a set of possible quests |
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| 09:22.15 | msoul | ZorbaBeta: oh i see... yet it is always in dalaran that quest right? |
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| 09:47.34 | smoke__ | anyone here know much about scanning npcs for debuffs? |
| 09:48.21 | smoke__ | i thought the event UNIT_AURA would pick up buffs/debuffs from npcs but its not.... |
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| 09:58.27 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 |
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| 10:13.17 | ZorbaBeta | msou, I believe so |
| 10:14.16 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaBeta around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:21.36 | smoke__ | ZorbaBeta, you there? |
| 10:21.52 | ZorbaBeta | smoke, yup. don't know a thing about scanning NPCs though |
| 10:22.32 | smoke__ | ok if im using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED to scan the buff gains what if the npcs have the same name |
| 10:22.40 | smoke__ | will the destName be unique? |
| 10:22.50 | ZorbaBeta | *shrug* ain't got a clue. |
| 10:22.53 | smoke__ | damn |
| 10:23.00 | ZorbaBeta | there might be a target GUID. There might not. Check wowwiki for info on that event. |
| 10:23.50 | smoke__ | there is a GUID |
| 10:24.06 | smoke__ | say if i want to use it... can i string.sub() it and pass it to SetRaidTarget? |
| 10:24.23 | smoke__ | can i pass GUID to things like that? |
| 10:24.33 | ZorbaBeta | as far as I know, you can't pass GUID to things like that. |
| 10:25.24 | smoke__ | k thanks |
| 10:25.36 | ZorbaBeta | np. g'luck |
| 10:29.31 | smoke__ | hmm, i can't pass destGUID to UnitAura |
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| 10:40.39 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, GUIDs are, by and large, things that cannot be passed to the API in any way |
| 10:40.42 | ZorbaBeta | only retrieved from the API |
| 10:40.55 | ZorbaBeta | they're meant for unique identification, not querying or control. |
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| 12:07.41 | Wobin | "Rumor has it that Sean Bean has been cast as Eddard Stark for the A Game of Thrones HBO TV series." |
| 12:07.48 | Wobin | Iiinteresting |
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| 12:11.24 | Ycarene | Just finished that book |
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| 12:16.15 | nevcairiel | oh hey firefox pushed out the security fix |
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| 12:18.43 | Aqua | i wish windows 7 rtm would hit msdn.... |
| 12:19.06 | nevcairiel | they dont even have an official rtm yet |
| 12:19.08 | nevcairiel | so shush :P |
| 12:20.44 | Aqua | i know |
| 12:20.46 | Aqua | but still... |
| 12:20.59 | nevcairiel | just run an unofficial one |
| 12:21.00 | nevcairiel | like i do :P |
| 12:21.10 | nevcairiel | (Operating system) Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, version 6.1.7600 (64 processes running, 2.06GB free RAM, installed 3d 3h ago, 5h 29m 44s uptime, 2d 14h 50m 21s uptime record) |
| 12:21.10 | Aqua | I'd run an RC if anything |
| 12:21.22 | Aqua | and where did you get a script for system info to work right |
| 12:21.25 | Aqua | mines been broke forever. |
| 12:21.43 | nevcairiel | it comes with my script collection thing |
| 12:21.47 | nevcairiel | nnscript that is |
| 12:22.06 | Aqua | i still run pnp |
| 12:23.38 | Aqua | i might try that |
| 12:23.40 | Aqua | thanks nevcairiel |
| 12:24.31 | Aqua | damn fresh install of mirc, i just ddi that |
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| 12:43.18 | dardack | ok i know this prolly isn't the 100% best place to ask, but at least it's not a big trolling fest, i'm currently a blood dk tank, have been since i rolled a DK, running through Hodir 10 man, due to circumstances a few core friends and I are moving back to an old guild due to 25 man issues that...nvm doesn't matter, anyho since I'm dk and have decent DPS gear I've been asked to rotate as a... |
| 12:43.20 | dardack | ...DPS instead of a tank sometimes which is fine with me was a DPS shaman for all of BC, I am just looking at the best dps spec (is it now frost?), rotation, what enchants i should have, gear suggestions (need a helm, 1 trinket, 2 rings) have tons of hero badges, 29 valor(not willing to spend conquest at this time on dps gear) |
| 12:43.21 | dardack | oops |
| 12:43.26 | dardack | didn't realize i ramble that much |
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| 12:53.50 | Aqua | wow this is interesting.... |
| 12:54.40 | Wobin | dardack: looked at EJ? |
| 12:54.46 | Wobin | cause it's all going to change come the patch =P |
| 12:54.50 | dardack | EJ is old |
| 12:54.55 | dardack | that i found |
| 12:54.58 | Wobin | It's still the most up to date |
| 12:55.03 | dardack | like 2008 early 2009 |
| 12:55.13 | Wobin | er.. not sure -what- forums you're reading =P |
| 12:55.21 | dardack | i don't knwo the blood talk doesn't change the dps from obl to DS |
| 12:55.24 | Wobin | but they haven't stopped theorycrafting =P |
| 12:55.30 | dardack | hmmm |
| 12:55.33 | Wobin | it had from what I read |
| 12:55.36 | dardack | i tried |
| 12:55.41 | dardack | can you post where you read? |
| 12:55.44 | Wobin | maybe read the end of the threads and go back? |
| 12:56.01 | Wobin | that's how I usually go about it, unless it's a relatively recent thread head |
| 12:56.20 | dardack | hmmm |
| 12:56.22 | dardack | ok |
| 13:00.09 | dardack | both only have a few pages and the most recent post on one was 2008 and the other july 2009 but was a question if it was going to be updated |
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| 13:01.25 | dardack | and a post from may saying he wanted to update for 3.1 but the blood rotation still shows OBL instead of DS, which i thought with blood DS became the dps strike |
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| 13:08.50 | dardack | iok found updated one thanks, anyone want to comment on whether blood/frost/or unholy are best dps? |
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| 13:15.47 | Wobin | the most -popular- build appears to be frost |
| 13:15.52 | Wobin | whether that's the most effective is another matter |
| 13:16.17 | Wobin | http://www.wowpopular.com/Death+Knight/Talents |
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| 13:19.49 | Aqua | bah |
| 13:20.56 | Aqua | ok |
| 13:21.02 | Aqua | this is kinda strange, but cool |
| 13:22.10 | alestane | Wobin: Most popular often means "best trade-off of laziness for results." |
| 13:22.17 | Wobin | true |
| 13:22.25 | Wobin | 'best facerolling spec' |
| 13:22.44 | Wobin | that's why you weed through the EJ posts |
| 13:22.54 | Wobin | cause EJ tend to be pretty good at pointing out failures =) |
| 13:23.27 | Wobin | I scan backwards, matching up responses to "what do you think of this build" and go for the ones that have positive responses |
| 13:23.45 | Wobin | and disregard the ones that say "zomg, how could you use 'X' talent?!" |
| 13:26.10 | Aqua | nevcairiel: you still around? |
| 13:33.47 | dardack | Wobin: yea i found the thread for frost blood, and just since i'm so used to the blood rotation for tanking (kinda close for dps) i'm sticking with blood, friend in 213 gear pulls over 4k on normal bosses close to 7k on XT, even higher now with his 219/226 gear, so now i need to get some stuff made |
| 13:35.26 | Wobin | crafted stuff is tough to get at that level =( |
| 13:35.42 | Wobin | but yeah, I like the blood rotation |
| 13:35.46 | Wobin | it's nice and easy |
| 13:36.14 | Wobin | and with HS cleaving an additional target, it's effective against more than just single target |
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| 13:47.51 | Kraps | would vista sp2 really take an hour to install? |
| 13:48.43 | Elkano | don't think so |
| 13:48.57 | Elkano | but depends on the system |
| 13:50.00 | Kraps | it says so in the dialog box, but i didnt think id would |
| 13:50.03 | Kraps | it |
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| 13:51.13 | Wobin | oh |
| 13:51.16 | Wobin | Microsoft Minutes? |
| 13:51.25 | Wobin | It could take anything from 5 minutes to 5 days =P |
| 13:51.49 | A-KO | eh, it might take about 20-30 if you have a modern system |
| 13:51.51 | Kraps | haha |
| 13:52.03 | A-KO | that's including the couple of reboots it needs, etc. |
| 13:52.25 | Kraps | i single tanked OS 10 last night |
| 13:52.54 | Kraps | twas epic |
| 13:53.04 | Wobin | what happens when everyone hops into the portal? |
| 13:53.33 | Kraps | a dk tanked it |
| 13:53.51 | Kraps | but dps was pro |
| 13:53.56 | Kraps | heals too |
| 13:55.34 | Kraps | then one-shot voa 25 |
| 13:56.24 | Kraps | except when the mt pulled the 2 storm things in the hallway |
| 13:57.06 | Wobin | and blew up the raid? |
| 13:57.10 | Wobin | yeah, that happens =) |
| 14:00.59 | Kraps | Nethaera getting ragged on again |
| 14:06.24 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.26 | Kraps | lololololol |
| 14:07.21 | Aqua | what patch notes is t hat? |
| 14:08.00 | Kraps | latest build |
| 14:08.09 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php |
| 14:08.35 | Kraps | Against the Odds: This achievement has been removed and converted to a Feat of Strength. |
| 14:10.27 | Kraps | Devastate: Weapon damage and bonus per Sunder Armor on the target increased by 100%. |
| 14:11.05 | Kraps | that sounds awesome but im not sure what |
| 14:11.49 | Kraps | guess it will do 100% damage instead of the current 50%? |
| 14:12.11 | Wobin | or 75% |
| 14:12.25 | Kraps | hmm? |
| 14:12.36 | Wobin | 100% of 50% is 50% |
| 14:13.01 | Kraps | ... |
| 14:13.29 | Wobin | hell I don't know =) |
| 14:15.38 | Kraps | hey T9 almost matches the class colors |
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| 14:16.11 | Wobin | paladin needs more pink imo =) |
| 14:16.45 | Wobin | rofl at the corset for alliance leather |
| 14:16.45 | Kraps | well BE pally T9 looks appropriately gay |
| 14:17.03 | Wobin | it totally is a corset =) |
| 14:17.15 | Kraps | haha yeah |
| 14:17.34 | Wobin | Alliance hunter... looks like he can't actually move his limbs =P |
| 14:18.22 | Wobin | I wonder why they made the 'same type of leather but different class' look the same, but different colours |
| 14:18.29 | Wobin | why not just have a customised armour set for each class? |
| 14:18.38 | Wobin | er same type of material |
| 14:18.46 | Kraps | i hate that tier plate is always taller than the guys head /sigh |
| 14:18.50 | Aqua | thought they were chaning major armor |
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| 14:21.12 | Wobin | Dancing Rune Weapon: The rune weapon will no longer cast Corpse Explosion. |
| 14:21.14 | Wobin | AWWWW |
| 14:21.28 | Wobin | not that I've bothered with DRW recently |
| 14:21.32 | Wobin | but -hell- that was fun |
| 14:21.51 | Wobin | especially with the chain CE glyph |
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| 14:24.29 | TopTop18 | Are spaces and [] allowed in .lua and .toc filenames? |
| 14:24.30 | Wobin | omg |
| 14:24.45 | Wobin | -why- do the alliance leather shoulders have POUCHES on them? |
| 14:24.55 | Wobin | LIEEEEEFIEEEEELD |
| 14:25.57 | Kraps | "And what's up with the Alliance rogues and druids wearing ladies' underwear?" someone caught that :) |
| 14:26.52 | alestane | TopTop18: I'm pretty sure that spaces are. Not sure about brackets. |
| 14:27.53 | alestane | Fairly easy to test by experiment, though. |
| 14:27.59 | TopTop18 | Alestane, I'll see if it's allowed when testing xD |
| 14:29.06 | TopTop18 | Hmm and can I call GetGuildInfo directly on code, or should I attach it to a frame and run it when the frame is loaded? |
| 14:32.11 | alestane | I wouldn't call it in your base file scope unless it's a load-on-demand addon and you know it won't be loaded until after the client is fully loaded, and even then I'd be pretty vareful about it. |
| 14:32.13 | alestane | careful* |
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| 14:38.10 | Seerah | good morning all |
| 14:38.57 | TopTop18 | Alestane, I'll attach it to a frame's onload then |
| 14:39.01 | |Jelly| | quick, hide! |
| 14:39.21 | Seerah | you're a little slow there, |Jelly| ;) |
| 14:39.26 | alestane | TopTop18: That doesn't do any better unless you're going to explicitly construct the frame after loading. |
| 14:39.27 | Seerah | hug-tackles |Jelly| |
| 14:39.41 | |Jelly| | So I'm not very quick this morning. :( |
| 14:39.45 | alestane | You probably want to call it in response to some event. |
| 14:39.55 | Seerah | |Jelly|: easier to tackle ;) |
| 14:39.59 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 14:40.09 | Kraps | hmm, someone said that in medieval times leather armor was stitched together like a corset, so the alli leather sets are the most accurate |
| 14:40.10 | TopTop18 | Alestane, frames are only created after loading? |
| 14:40.25 | alestane | TopTop18: It depends on how you're creating your frames. |
| 14:41.00 | Seerah | TopTop18: I could wait to create a frame until you decide to logout ;) |
| 14:41.03 | alestane | If you do it in an XML file, without using a template, the OnLoad is going to be called as the XML file is parsed and carried out during add-on load. |
| 14:41.03 | TopTop18 | Alestane, would it be possible with a small XML file that creates the frame? |
| 14:41.22 | alestane | !api GetGuildInfo |
| 14:41.22 | lua_bot | GetGuildInfo: Returns a unit's guild affiliation (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGuildInfo) |
| 14:41.50 | TopTop18 | Alestane, how to call the function correctly then, after loading? |
| 14:42.29 | alestane | I'm not sure when the info is available. But if it's not available at load, and I think it isn't, then we need to register for the relevant event and call it then. |
| 14:42.40 | alestane | One second, while I try to identify that. |
| 14:42.51 | TopTop18 | Okay, thanks! |
| 14:43.50 | TopTop18 | Meanwhile another question, "if guildRankIndex == 0 or 1 then" Is that right? Not sure about the or |
| 14:45.42 | alestane | Probably not, that will always execute the if. |
| 14:46.03 | Kraps | which vendor on the ptr sells heirloom gear? |
| 14:46.17 | alestane | Since if guildRankIndex ~= 0, the expression will evaluate to 1, which is true. |
| 14:46.52 | TopTop18 | guildRankIndex isn;t 0 or 1 always, depending on your rank it can be higher |
| 14:47.25 | alestane | You can either say "if guildRankIndex == 0 or guildRankIndex == 1 then" or "if {[0] = true, [1] = true}[guildRankIndex] then" |
| 14:47.32 | TopTop18 | What I'm trying to do is compare guildRankIndex to two different values |
| 14:48.10 | TopTop18 | Ah okay, so I'll have to compare twice? |
| 14:48.12 | alestane | Or "if guildRankIndex >= 1 then" |
| 14:49.03 | alestane | Since I don't think it should ever be negative. |
| 14:49.36 | TopTop18 | Okay thanks! |
| 14:51.19 | TopTop18 | Hmm you already figured out if the information from GetGuildInfo is available on loading? |
| 14:52.32 | alestane | No, I made a twit mistake and had to reload. |
| 14:53.07 | TopTop18 | Okay |
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| 14:54.37 | Ackis | wants a sheeple killer gun thingy. |
| 14:56.24 | alestane | Okay, got it. |
| 14:57.59 | alestane | If you're doing ti from XML, the frame's <OnLoad> should have 'self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE")', and the frame's <OnEvent> should have something like 'if event == "PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE" then doSomethingWIth(GetGuildInfo("player") end' |
| 14:58.26 | alestane | Missing a close-paren there but you get the idea. |
| 14:59.45 | TopTop18 | Okay, Thanks! |
| 15:00.31 | TopTop18 | Figuring out how to implement that in my code now :D |
| 15:11.15 | Kraps | "The biggest problem I have with this is that I visually won’t be able to recognize who I need to heal." because thats how you heal amirite? |
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| 15:18.14 | Wobin | Kraps: ? |
| 15:18.35 | Kraps | blogger complaining about tier 9 |
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| 15:19.42 | Wobin | we have healers who... don't stare at healthbars? |
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| 15:20.41 | Kraps | so how can you tell health? |
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| 15:20.53 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 15:28.45 | Adys | morning kneeki |
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| 15:39.19 | TopTop18 | No spaces and [] in xml attributes right? |
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| 15:42.03 | TopTop18 | And [] are forbiddin in nearly every piece of code? |
| 15:42.49 | TopTop18 | And _ Can be used in lua to name tables and variables? |
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| 15:47.20 | alestane | XML tag attributes can legally contain spaces. |
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| 15:47.38 | alestane | And I think they can contain brackets, but don't quote me on that. |
| 15:47.45 | Wobin | TopTop18: unless you're using metatables |
| 15:47.55 | Wobin | in which some usages of __ may be reserved |
| 15:48.09 | Wobin | [[ ]] in lua indicate strings |
| 15:48.10 | DWSR | ~seen shirik |
| 15:48.14 | purl | shirik <n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 9h 50m 1s ago, saying: '...'. |
| 15:48.22 | Wobin | and [] are for table references |
| 15:48.27 | TopTop18 | Alestane, The PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE fires when something changes about a characters position in a guild changes, so if someone gets promoted my code would be run again if I do it as you've said before? |
| 15:48.27 | alestane | _ is a legal token in Lua, yes, which should generally be declared local whenever used. |
| 15:48.48 | Wobin | Kraps: How much they are bleeding? |
| 15:50.01 | DWSR | Anyone read the new CAD? |
| 15:50.14 | Kraps | Wobin: internal bleeding is harder to tell :( |
| 15:50.21 | Wobin | the one with the femmebot? |
| 15:50.34 | DWSR | wobin: That's the current story arc, yeah. |
| 15:50.35 | Wobin | Kraps: yeah, but the alliance leather corset will help reinforce broken ribs |
| 15:50.44 | DWSR | It's the one after they activate her. |
| 15:50.50 | TopTop18 | Thanks Wobin and Alestane to help me with the syntax stuff and other learning to code thingy's :D |
| 15:50.52 | Kraps | Wobin: tru dat |
| 15:50.54 | Zariel | Whats the best way to create a dropdown with a slider attached? |
| 15:51.08 | Wobin | roll your own? |
| 15:51.15 | DWSR | ace3? |
| 15:51.26 | Zariel | Wobin: im rolling :O |
| 15:51.54 | DWSR | that's what she said. |
| 15:52.18 | Zariel | I dont want to use ace3 which will tripple the size of the addon |
| 15:52.38 | DWSR | Zariel: Just a suggestion. :) |
| 15:53.00 | DWSR | and there's only 1 p in triple. |
| 15:53.36 | Wobin | Zariel: acegui-3.0? |
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| 15:56.27 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:56.49 | DWSR | ja mata? |
| 15:57.33 | Kraps | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AlcAxoqPX84SoOHYLe3mgtYjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20090712153431AASg5Uh |
| 15:58.07 | Kraps | note which answers are downrated and which are not |
| 15:59.36 | Kraps | this thing has 7700+ diggs already |
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| 16:05.03 | dardack | heh Well, you better comeback with a godamn sandwich. |
| 16:05.55 | dardack | man there's too many answers there |
| 16:09.15 | Adys | icon = self.env["item"].getvalue([t["display"]])["icon"].lower() |
| 16:09.19 | Adys | my name is Lisp |
| 16:09.21 | Adys | whats your game |
| 16:11.24 | Adys | Actually no |
| 16:11.25 | Adys | icon = self.env["item"][t["display"]].getvalue("display")["icon"].lower() |
| 16:11.31 | Adys | thats more correct |
| 16:12.26 | Adys | wait, no. |
| 16:12.47 | alestane | And what evil, exactly are you trying to perpetrate with this string of delimiters? |
| 16:13.52 | tem|work | Adys: what does that have to do with Lisp? |
| 16:14.06 | tem|work | I only see 2 sets of parens there |
| 16:14.08 | Adys | tem|work: its the same thing, except its bracket hell instead of paren hell |
| 16:14.09 | tem|work | it's clearly not lisp |
| 16:14.26 | tem|work | well |
| 16:14.27 | alestane | Adys: Is it Python, C#, or what? |
| 16:14.37 | tem|work | half of those brackets aren't needed if it's lua |
| 16:14.40 | Adys | alestane: Im trying to determine the icon from a file with an invalid icon |
| 16:14.43 | tem|work | but it looks more pythony to me |
| 16:14.53 | Adys | yes, dots are so much better Mr. Java |
| 16:14.53 | Adys | :P |
| 16:15.03 | tem|work | ... I like java |
| 16:15.13 | alestane | I don't hink it's Lua, it's calling methods with . instead of : |
| 16:15.28 | tem|work | I call methods with . |
| 16:15.49 | tem|work | if I've done some setfenv evil on the methods so they automatically know self and super |
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| 16:15.56 | Lunessa | Java, C, C++, PERL, LISP, LOGO, COBOL, FORTRAN - All made in HELL to torment the minds of the professional. |
| 16:15.57 | Adys | lol |
| 16:16.06 | Adys | C++ isnt made in hell |
| 16:16.11 | Adys | and yeah alestane thats python |
| 16:16.23 | tem|work | also disagree with Lunessa |
| 16:16.41 | tem|work | PERL, FORTRAN, COBOL and maybe LOGO I'll let you get away with |
| 16:16.55 | Ackis | Adys: am I on crack for liking C more than C++? |
| 16:16.58 | tem|work | nothing really wrong with the others |
| 16:17.01 | Lunessa | Actually, I should have replaced C and C++ with something else, but I got carried away. |
| 16:17.02 | Cide | yes |
| 16:17.04 | tem|work | Ackis: yes |
| 16:17.07 | Adys | Ackis: you're not, you're just masochistic |
| 16:17.17 | tem|work | when I can't do for(int i=0....) I'm in hell |
| 16:17.23 | Ackis | Adys: hehe |
| 16:17.33 | Lunessa | Something tkl - shudder. |
| 16:17.40 | tem|work | speaking of which, compiling C with ANSI PEDANTIC on IS hell |
| 16:17.49 | Ackis | it's been years since I've coded in c/c++ |
| 16:18.07 | alestane | There's some C variant that uses the syntactical conveniences of C++ without all the object folderol...C99 or something like that? |
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| 16:18.51 | tem|work | really I only have 2 gripes with C++ |
| 16:18.52 | tem|work | Multiple Inheritance |
| 16:18.53 | tem|work | and Templates |
| 16:19.11 | alestane | i.e., half the point of the language. |
| 16:19.20 | tem|work | well, I'm not crazy about operator overloading either but *shrug* |
| 16:19.52 | Cide | I don't like the dynamic memory aspect. |
| 16:20.07 | tem|work | Templates just aren't implemented consistently which makes them a nightmare |
| 16:20.18 | tem|work | operator overloading leads to magic code |
| 16:20.22 | tem|work | which is REALLY hard to read |
| 16:20.35 | Ackis | I remember when I started trying to learn lua, I had function foo(x), function foo(x,y) and function foo(x,y,z) and I couldn't figure out why the proper function wasn't being called based on the number of vars |
| 16:20.50 | tem|work | heh |
| 16:21.25 | alestane | Operator overloading works fine as long as you're doing it for an operation which is logically appropriate to the operation, but it's often misused. |
| 16:21.40 | Lunessa | haha, I actually have no real gripes with c or c++ - My programming languages instruction went like this - Basic, C, C++, PERL and TKL. I dabbled in LISP, COBOL and FORTRAN in 98-2000 for Y2K stuff, and then learned Lua recently for hobby use. |
| 16:21.43 | Adys | blizzard still didnt fix logging with battle.net on two identically-named wow accs :/ |
| 16:22.03 | Ackis | Lunessa: fortran? I didn't realize you were that old. |
| 16:22.08 | Ackis | snickers. |
| 16:22.33 | alestane | You might want to reread his sentence then. |
| 16:23.07 | Ackis | was making a joke, calm down alestane. |
| 16:24.10 | alestane | "I'm calm. I pride myself on being in control." |
| 16:24.21 | Ackis | rawrs |
| 16:24.26 | Lunessa | Fear is the mind-killer. |
| 16:24.37 | Ackis | I think I had the most fun writing 68k assembly language |
| 16:24.38 | alestane | I will face my fear. |
| 16:24.52 | Lunessa | I will let it pass over me and through me. |
| 16:24.55 | alestane | Ackis: I remember that very special cesspool. |
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| 16:25.08 | Ackis | alestane: I liked it because I wrote a self-replicating program |
| 16:25.13 | alestane | When the fear is gone, only I will remain. |
| 16:25.24 | Lunessa | I tried very hard to avoid ever doing anything in assembly languages. |
| 16:25.38 | Ackis | we had a class requirement for it |
| 16:25.42 | malreth | Basic, Pascal, C, Scheme, C++, PowerPC asm, Java, Love, MATLAB, Lua, Python, and Objective-C are all the languages I've learned |
| 16:25.51 | alestane | Ackis: I learned it to optimize Mac programs, and occasionally debug corrupted application files. |
| 16:26.05 | Ackis | there was also HDML for programing circuit boards which made you think outside the box |
| 16:26.08 | Lunessa | Ackis: I'm largely self-taught though I learned C & C++ in a work-sponsored class at AOL. |
| 16:26.19 | alestane | Every time I try to learn Objective-C it makes me want to spork my eyes out. |
| 16:26.25 | Ackis | Lunessa: ah I used C for dummies ;) |
| 16:26.40 | Lunessa | I did teach myself some java for fun as well. Mostly it felt like writing in C. |
| 16:26.51 | malreth | alestane: you lose that urge after you've sporked twice |
| 16:27.08 | Lunessa | malreth: I feel for you. Pascal make me want to punch babies. |
| 16:27.30 | Ackis | I never enjoyed java |
| 16:27.35 | alestane | I didn't learn to hate Pascal until I learned C. |
| 16:27.36 | malreth | teaches Haskell to Lunessa |
| 16:27.43 | Ackis | malreth: is there a difference in Pascal vs Turbo Pascal? |
| 16:28.06 | Lunessa | prefers vodka to gin in a martini. |
| 16:28.11 | malreth | Ackis: hmm... probably some trivial differences... probably |
| 16:28.48 | malreth | Lunessa: heathen! |
| 16:29.23 | Lunessa | malreth: Approach students. Gather at the feet of the master. I can make a near-perfect martini and you learned from me. |
| 16:29.40 | alestane | Pascal isn't...bad...exactly, but then you realize how crippled it is. |
| 16:29.43 | Ackis | my first official language was Turbo Pascal |
| 16:29.50 | Ackis | now I'm just a bumbling lua idiot |
| 16:30.32 | Ackis | well, I'm just a bumbling idiot, lua has nothing to do with it |
| 16:33.09 | Lunessa | Ackis: For ARL's cooking recipe list, where did you get all the thanksgiving food lists? WoWHead? |
| 16:33.26 | Ackis | wowhead/mmo-champion |
| 16:33.56 | Ackis | I modified a later release to only show them if you're running 3.2 or higher |
| 16:34.31 | Lunessa | Ok. |
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| 16:41.27 | Ackis | are you fucking kidding me |
| 16:41.37 | Ackis | carbonite's code is still fucked up |
| 16:41.58 | alestane | Is it still impossible to read, or just really hard? |
| 16:42.29 | Ackis | I'd consider it impossible |
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| 16:43.13 | alestane | PopCap has still been using this program that goes over the Lua and sort of "crushes" it, making tokens really short and otherwise reducing the memory footprint. |
| 16:43.31 | Lothaer | shirik u here mate? |
| 16:44.13 | Lunessa | Luasrc diet? |
| 16:44.55 | alestane | I think they claimed that Blizzard doesn't have a problem with it, since the intent isn't actually to conceal the code's workings, but rather to improve its performance. |
| 16:45.10 | alestane | But it makes it pretty damn hard to read in the process. |
| 16:45.33 | Lunessa | Well, I'm inclined to let it go since Blizzard is advertising the Peggle stuff on the launcher. |
| 16:46.20 | alestane | I try not to worry about whether or not Blizzard "should" be sending someone a C&D over the AddOn policy, and just focus on keeping my nose clean. |
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| 16:46.56 | Lunessa | But yeah, aside from the level data I was able to puzzle out more or less what was going on, but it did require pencil and paper because so many things were reduced to obscure names. |
| 16:48.28 | alestane | I get the feeling that Blizzard was more concerned about the way Carbonite was actually encrypting their code specifically to stop people from reading it casually. |
| 16:49.18 | Lunessa | Yeah, me too. But blanket policies make the small minded comfortable. |
| 16:49.56 | Ackis | I was able to make out a few sections I needed to, but it's still hella hard to read |
| 16:50.39 | Adys | The following post has been reported on a board you moderate. |
| 16:50.39 | Adys | The reporter has made the following comment: |
| 16:50.39 | alestane | They also give Blizzard more protection against the day someone figures out something they didn't think of when they wrote the policy, but maybe that's what you meant. |
| 16:50.39 | Adys | Their is language in this post that shouldnt' be their. Thank you and have a nice day |
| 16:51.21 | Lunessa | Adys: Wow, talk about grammar fail. |
| 16:52.40 | alestane | Speaking of language being where it shouldn't be... |
| 16:55.44 | Ackis | I always found it funny when someone was being the grammar police and spelt grammar like grammer |
| 16:55.56 | Adys | WEBKIT IS AWESOME |
| 16:56.35 | Lunessa | Adys: Playing with Chrome or Safari? |
| 16:57.22 | Adys | chrome |
| 16:57.55 | Lothaer | get to work Ackis |
| 16:59.02 | Ackis | Lothaer: I am |
| 17:00.17 | Lothaer | pft |
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| 17:01.50 | TopTop18 | Anyone knows/can figure out if the information needed for GetGuildInfo() is available when PLAYER_LOGIN fires? |
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| 17:07.08 | alestane | I did find the event where it was available, but I didn't check if it fires before or after PLAYER_LOGIN. |
| 17:07.16 | Adys | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bzr/+spec/bzr-whatnow |
| 17:07.20 | Adys | \o/ |
| 17:08.05 | Ackis | http://failblog.org/2009/07/16/intelligence-fail-2/ |
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| 17:08.57 | nevcairiel | anyone playing Aion beta this weekend? |
| 17:09.13 | Ackis | we saw you can pre-order it on steam |
| 17:09.25 | nevcairiel | i pre-orderd on amazon =P |
| 17:09.29 | nicoli_s | i will nevcairiel |
| 17:09.42 | nevcairiel | 2 more hours until it starts |
| 17:09.49 | nevcairiel | wonder if they seperate US and EU people |
| 17:09.50 | nevcairiel | server-wise |
| 17:09.54 | nicoli_s | they do |
| 17:10.07 | nicoli_s | theres seperate clients |
| 17:10.12 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 17:10.41 | TopTop18 | Alestane, the event you found was PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE, but that event fires everytime something changes in the guild, like a promote I think. |
| 17:10.46 | nevcairiel | i'll probably play a cleric, cant get the healing out of my head |
| 17:11.00 | nicoli_s | i played a spiritmaster so far, and i like it |
| 17:11.18 | alestane | You can unregister it after you catch it the first time. |
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| 17:11.33 | TopTop18 | Hmm now I'm thinking about it that'll be a good event, got to caried away from what my code had to do xD Thanks alestane! |
| 17:11.37 | alestane | nicoli_s: I would if I had a key. It looks like a game I'd like a closer look at. |
| 17:12.16 | nevcairiel | you get one from pre-ordering |
| 17:12.24 | nicoli_s | yer welcome to try my acct |
| 17:12.31 | alestane | I don't know if I want to own it yet. |
| 17:12.39 | alestane | That's why I wanted to look at the beta. |
| 17:12.57 | nevcairiel | well at least here i can cancel the amazon pre-order any time |
| 17:13.07 | nevcairiel | even after getting the beta key |
| 17:13.56 | nevcairiel | i wonder if it'll have UI customization |
| 17:15.02 | nicoli_s | nevcairiel, probably at some point |
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| 17:15.13 | nicoli_s | the game uses xml and people have already done basic modifications to it |
| 17:18.25 | Aelobin | does attack power affect the strength of obliterate? |
| 17:25.32 | Lunessa | the art of Aion looks nice, but I'm not sure I'd want to play it. It looks like it boils down to "Do a lot of PvE so you can PvP" |
| 17:26.27 | nicoli_s | well you dont have to do pvp |
| 17:26.33 | nicoli_s | theres instances and stuff for high level pve |
| 17:27.03 | Lunessa | But isn't the focus of the game the PvP battle between the two races? |
| 17:30.06 | nevcairiel | eh, i dunno |
| 17:30.06 | nevcairiel | i read alot of pve stuff |
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| 17:30.07 | Lunessa | Well, the screen shots and game play videos are pretty. |
| 17:30.07 | nicoli_s | lunessa, most of the stuff ive read says they dont want to force people to pvp |
| 17:30.07 | nevcairiel | they call it PvPvE |
| 17:30.49 | Lunessa | Yeah, which means oh look -- Dark Age of Camelot with prettier graphics -- to me. /pass |
| 17:31.24 | nevcairiel | I'll play before i judge =P |
| 17:31.53 | alestane | I'm interested in seeing how recognizing the flight option from Day 1 affects a game design. |
| 17:33.14 | nicoli_s | well sadly i found you cant fly as much as id like early in the game, its not till the abyss where you can fly eberywhere |
| 17:33.35 | Ackis | I like flying eberywhere too |
| 17:34.02 | nevcairiel | i would think it would add way too much complexity if you could just fly off from day 1 |
| 17:34.11 | nevcairiel | learn the concept slowly |
| 17:34.53 | Lunessa | City of Heros was designed with flight in mind. :) |
| 17:36.51 | Vilkku | hmm, broker mod for the ingame menu ("micromenu"), any suggestions? |
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| 17:38.17 | Kraps | sp2 didnt take too long |
| 17:39.31 | Seerah | Vilkku: there's picoButtons, and maybe a menu one, too. |
| 17:40.28 | Vilkku | Seerah, seems to be what I want, thanks :) |
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| 17:46.35 | Arrowmaster | anybody got a lot of experience with lvm2? |
| 17:46.46 | Nuckin | argh, these kids on curse have me so frustrated that i never wanna post updates on there again |
| 17:47.22 | Dagmar | So just tell them things will be different once they learn about girls and move on |
| 17:47.35 | Nuckin | heh |
| 17:47.49 | Dagmar | Oh you think I'm making a joke. |
| 17:48.05 | Nuckin | there is one kid who keeps posting crap comments that are completely untrue, and i just have to keep deleting them |
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| 17:52.04 | Nuckin | WTB 13 year old filter |
| 17:52.13 | Nuckin | let the kiddies have their own internetz |
| 17:52.32 | Dagmar | I've been trying to get mandatory licencing requirements since about '96 |
| 17:52.38 | Nuckin | haha |
| 17:53.01 | Dagmar | They'll let you drive a car at 16, but only after you pass a competnecy test, and in part because it's very revocable |
| 17:53.17 | Dagmar | You can do a hell of a lor more damage with a computer connected to the internet, so why not licence internet users |
| 17:54.04 | Dagmar | If you fail to properly handle that resource enough times, they come and take your keyboard away and you get to use WebTV (sans keyboard) from then on |
| 17:54.24 | Dagmar | Yes, that is considered a punitive measure |
| 17:54.32 | Nuckin | yea but its a lot harder to police the internet than the roads |
| 17:54.55 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 17:55.05 | Nuckin | not to mention that no country would agree on a single set of laws to govern the internet |
| 17:55.35 | Dagmar | Screw that, bring back vigilantes |
| 17:55.54 | Nuckin | plus, the retroactive licensing of chinese? haha that'll take years |
| 17:56.10 | Nuckin | Nuckin - Internet Vigilante |
| 17:56.12 | Dagmar | I'm sorry... were they contributing usefully to our internet? :) |
| 17:56.15 | Nuckin | yea i like the ring of that |
| 17:56.36 | Dagmar | Dude in the mid-90's vigilantism worked fine |
| 17:56.42 | Nuckin | haha, true |
| 17:56.51 | Dagmar | If someone spammed usenet, you just hunted down the system they posted from and removed their account from it |
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| 17:57.09 | Nuckin | all i ever see the chinese do is relocalize my addon in chinese and repost it somewhere else |
| 17:57.48 | Dagmar | Find ways to make it destructively hostile to text strings which are not ASCII |
| 17:58.30 | Nuckin | like put lots of unnecesary substring checks? haha |
| 17:59.09 | Shishire | How do I disable sound while the game is in the background? wowwiki.com lists Sound_EnableSoundWhenGameIsInBG as being depricated |
| 17:59.18 | DWSR | Shishire: Check the Sound Options. |
| 18:00.19 | Shishire | I meant from an addon |
| 18:00.30 | Dagmar | Nuckin: Better yet, operate on the strings as arrays of char[] |
| 18:01.57 | Nuckin | Dagmar: This just in, a chinese militia has just invaded the united states in an attempt on a single home in upstate new york, damage reports are still coming in |
| 18:02.07 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 18:02.55 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I don't want to live in a world where I need a license to use the internet. |
| 18:03.12 | Dagmar | I remmeber the internet before it became saturated with trolls. |
| 18:03.18 | DWSR | Lunessa: You might want to reconsider that. |
| 18:03.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, me too. |
| 18:03.33 | Dagmar | Clearly, not all of humanity is on the same page about what |
| 18:03.39 | Dagmar | "responsible behaviour" means |
| 18:03.44 | DWSR | Then I turned into a troll. |
| 18:03.45 | Lunessa | DWSR - I don't like living in a world where I need a license to operate a car. |
| 18:03.54 | Dagmar | Lunessa: You definitely don't live in the south |
| 18:04.05 | Lunessa | I live in Texas. Bring it. |
| 18:04.14 | Dagmar | I wouldn't leave the house without semi-automatic weaponry if car licences weren't required |
| 18:04.18 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:04.44 | Lunessa | I would like to have more wepaonry too. |
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| 18:04.59 | nevcairiel | I would like to not need weapons |
| 18:05.01 | nevcairiel | silly americans |
| 18:05.02 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:06.06 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I would like to live in a world where privacy and courtesy were common and people didn't expect a third party to force me to conform to their ideals. - i.e., not the one we live in at all. |
| 18:06.26 | Dagmar | I'm perfectly fine with being allowed to force my ideals on others. |
| 18:06.41 | Nuckin | Dagmar: I don't leave the house without semi-automatic weaponry as it is |
| 18:06.42 | Dagmar | I won't laze about waiting for some "third party" to do it. |
| 18:06.56 | Nuckin | but that probably tells you how often i leave the house... :) |
| 18:06.56 | Dagmar | I used to have a very hands-on approach towards policing the internet |
| 18:07.01 | nevcairiel | I know why i dont want to live in the US, ever |
| 18:07.37 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Yeah, it's really hard to keep the Seventh Day people from ringing the doorbell early on a saturday morning |
| 18:07.49 | Dagmar | I know the secret tho |
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| 18:08.03 | Nuckin | Dagmar: Solution, Electric Shcok Doorbell |
| 18:08.15 | Lunessa | Answer the door in your underwear and scratch your balls while talking to them. |
| 18:08.25 | Dagmar | Nah, just answer the door furious, naked, covered in sweat, with a bottle of chocolate sauce in one hand *once* |
| 18:08.33 | Lunessa | They haven't been back to my place in YEARS |
| 18:08.42 | Dagmar | The chocolate sauce was grabbed on the way to the door on a whim. |
| 18:08.52 | Nuckin | hahaha |
| 18:08.56 | svenadh | tried that dagmar, now my mum won't even call me on the phone |
| 18:09.01 | Dagmar | I moved out of that duplex ten years ago and the 7th Day Adventists *still* skip it I'm told |
| 18:09.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:09.17 | Nuckin | svenadh: lol! |
| 18:09.25 | Dagmar | Those two old women just had no idea what to do |
| 18:09.47 | Dagmar | Practically left hairpins hanging in the air |
| 18:10.10 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Yeah, they were old women who came to my door too. Something about impending death makes you want to foist salvation on others I ssupose. |
| 18:10.18 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 18:10.19 | Dagmar | Perhaps. |
| 18:10.35 | Dagmar | I just feel that 8am in the morning on a weekend is a bad time to do it |
| 18:10.44 | nevcairiel | I never figured what drives people to do that, when they are rejected by like 95% of the people (or so i would hope) |
| 18:10.49 | DWSR | My uncle had his brother over at his place once, and the Witnesses came to their door early on sunday. They both came to the door naked and holding hands. |
| 18:10.58 | Dagmar | I wasn't just making a smart remark there, by the way. I did it, and it does work. They don't come back. |
| 18:11.13 | Dagmar | DWSR: That is pure win |
| 18:11.17 | nevcairiel | I live in a quite small town, we rarely get those in the first place |
| 18:11.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: inorite"? |
| 18:11.38 | Dagmar | My gf and I kept late hours, and they'd interrupted us one too many times that morning |
| 18:12.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: late hours *wink* |
| 18:12.20 | Nuckin | this convorsation is win |
| 18:12.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: Should have made sure you were standing at attention too when you rang the doorbell. |
| 18:12.54 | Dagmar | DWSR: I was |
| 18:12.57 | DWSR | nice. :D |
| 18:13.01 | Dagmar | They *interrupted* us |
| 18:13.16 | DWSR | Dagmar: Could have been actually sleeping, you know. :P |
| 18:13.18 | Dagmar | I flung the door open WIDE and bellowed "WHAT?!?" at them like that |
| 18:13.38 | Dagmar | Red as the devil, soaked in sweat, erm, pointing at hte sky. The whole nine yards. |
| 18:13.58 | DWSR | hehe |
| 18:14.03 | DWSR | They came around to my neighbourhood once. |
| 18:14.14 | DWSR | It was two teen girls. |
| 18:14.21 | DWSR | Both ugly as sin. |
| 18:14.57 | DWSR | anyway, they came to my door (and it was like 7am on a Sunday), so I went downstairs in my PJ pants, chatted to them for like 20 minutes. |
| 18:15.18 | DWSR | and then proceeded to tirade as to how God was going to smite them down as they had interrupted my morning prayers. |
| 18:15.56 | DWSR | They both started crying, and I feasted on their tears. It was at that moment that I decided I should be a ret paladin. |
| 18:16.02 | Dagmar | lol |
| 18:16.42 | DWSR | Tears are tasty. |
| 18:17.27 | DWSR | I was doing dailies in IC the other day and I had all the Fate Rune buffs. |
| 18:17.34 | DWSR | Someone decided they were gonna gank me. |
| 18:18.25 | DWSR | BAADD day to be them. I didn't know that you could do 5% more damage, take 5% less damage, and receive 1% of your mana back from spell crits all at the same time. |
| 18:18.42 | Dagmar | I liked the Midsummer buff better |
| 18:18.55 | DWSR | Oh, the 900 extra fire damage per hit? |
| 18:19.04 | DWSR | The Midsummer buff was so OP for leveling, good christ. |
| 18:19.21 | DWSR | Lightning Shield + that buff was so retarded. |
| 18:19.27 | DWSR | I'd just train mobs around. |
| 18:25.49 | DWSR | ~dolby++ |
| 18:26.16 | DWSR | ~dolby++ |
| 18:26.22 | dolby | oww |
| 18:26.25 | DWSR | ~fisker-++ |
| 18:26.44 | Dagmar | No, the midsummer buff you got for chucking a blossom into the fire was awesomeness incarnate |
| 18:27.00 | DWSR | What did it do? I never tried it. |
| 18:27.01 | Dagmar | Something about having a 30% chance to get another 700-800 damage |
| 18:27.08 | DWSR | That's the buff I'm talking about. |
| 18:27.11 | Dagmar | ...when you and your pet collectively hit about 5-6 times a second |
| 18:27.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: It was 10 * <your level> |
| 18:27.37 | Dagmar | I always called it "the fiery retaliation buff" |
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| 18:27.48 | DWSR | The midsummer buffs were awesome for leveling. |
| 18:28.03 | DWSR | 5% XP boost, health boost, and the extra fire damage. |
| 18:28.17 | Dagmar | DWSR: To classes that hit _rapidly_ that buff is evil |
| 18:28.28 | DWSR | lulz, my dots hit rapidly. |
| 18:28.33 | DWSR | But I don't know if dot ticks were counted. |
| 18:29.28 | Dagmar | I know a few times this year I raged on people to the tune of 4000+ DPS |
| 18:32.18 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i think it was a 10% xp boost, along with the 10% from boa shoulders, and full rested xp.. it was hax for leveling :) |
| 18:32.56 | Aqua | 20% xp bonus now? |
| 18:33.14 | Dagmar | Yeah the bonuses stack I'm told |
| 18:34.33 | Aqua | wow thats gonna be nuts |
| 18:34.54 | NightHawkTheSane | it was, and will be with the boa chestpieces |
| 18:35.57 | Dagmar | If you've done that much work, it's not like there's really much need to make you go through that content again at "normal" speed |
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| 18:37.16 | Aqua | true, |
| 18:37.32 | Aqua | although, i wish they change the friends list so that it handles alts better |
| 18:39.13 | Aqua | because that much xp alts are gonna go nuts |
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| 18:40.01 | Aqua | like, have a main, you can add the alts name, and if any of the toons are on it shows that the person is on like this: main(alt): |
| 18:43.10 | Dagmar | Aqua: Actually I know a number of people who just said "ah eff it" and bought a second copy of WoW and just used RAF |
| 18:43.33 | Shishire | Blizz won't do that. They specificly said that they don't want to group toons by account in any way shape or form. It's annoying, and it's nice for those paranoid people, but it makes ignoring gold sellers harder, and it's horrible for guild alts, etc. |
| 18:43.34 | Dagmar | 20% is nothing compared to 300% |
| 18:43.39 | Dagmar | er 200% |
| 18:44.18 | Dagmar | How does it make ignoring gold-sellers harder? |
| 18:45.02 | Shishire | you can't ignore the account |
| 18:45.20 | Shishire | you have to ignore the toon |
| 18:45.37 | Dagmar | How is ignoring a toon any different from what we do now? |
| 18:46.00 | Lunessa | When you use the report feature, for the rest of that session that account is ignored. |
| 18:46.24 | Dagmar | So report _already_ blocks messages from the entire account |
| 18:46.28 | Lunessa | However, they aren't ever going to expose your unique account id to other users. |
| 18:46.29 | Dagmar | Interesting |
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| 18:46.56 | Torhal | Educational literature: http://www.cracked.com/blog/understanding-the-world-of-warcraft-using-super-mario-brothers/ <--- Perhaps NSFW for language. |
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| 18:58.10 | Dagmar | iamlindoro: Because it's your lucky day |
| 18:58.14 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 18:59.00 | nevcairiel | man the aion login servers are totall overloaded now =P |
| 19:11.01 | Lunessa | *sigh* People who use "mute" when they mean "moot" need to spend more time with a dictionary. |
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| 19:15.53 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Lunessa, it could be a slang substitute, i mean if you dont take it litteraly i could work |
| 19:15.59 | Thunder_Child | it* |
| 19:16.31 | Lunessa | nah, this same person use "lye" when they meant "lie" - I can't take them seriously. |
| 19:17.41 | Dagmar | It's illiteracy |
| 19:18.11 | Dagmar | It's a shame it can't mutate like flu viruses and suddenly become fatal. |
| 19:24.24 | malreth | suddenly and fatally dies |
| 19:27.08 | nevcairiel | can you not fatally die? |
| 19:27.32 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 19:28.56 | foxlit | die only a little. |
| 19:28.57 | foxlit | inside. |
| 19:29.03 | Aqua | dagmar what the hell is RAF? |
| 19:29.09 | Aqua | ooo nevermind |
| 19:29.11 | Aqua | refer a friend |
| 19:29.12 | foxlit | royal airforce. |
| 19:29.16 | foxlit | refer a friend. |
| 19:29.30 | foxlit | choose your pick. |
| 19:31.07 | Torhal | You appear to be slightly dead. |
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| 19:37.46 | Lunessa | I spent a year dead once for tax reasons. |
| 19:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://jalopnik.com/5311204/gallery/ |
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| 19:59.27 | nicoli_s | hey, who was it in here who asked for my heroes of newerth key? |
| 20:00.14 | Lunessa | If this is a dream, wake me up now. If this is a movie, let's edit these scenes out. |
| 20:14.18 | tem|work | sigh |
| 20:14.38 | tem|work | I'm too tired to figure this out on a friday afternoon |
| 20:15.00 | tem|work | Imagine a table with 2 columns |
| 20:15.09 | tem|work | col1 is the uid |
| 20:15.17 | tem|work | col2 is yes or no |
| 20:15.34 | tem|work | I want a count of yes |
| 20:15.37 | tem|work | and a count of no |
| 20:15.38 | tem|work | and a total |
| 20:15.56 | tem|work | it's easy in 2-3 queries |
| 20:16.07 | tem|work | but I can't wrap my head around doing it in 1 |
| 20:17.05 | Corrodias | ummmm, hmm. do you want the results in one record with 3 fields, or 3 records of 1 field? |
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| 20:17.42 | tem|work | 1 record with 3 fields makes the most sense to me |
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| 20:18.23 | Corrodias | try: select x.*, y.*, x+y as total from (select count(*) as yesses from table where col2 like 'no') x full outer join (select count(*) as nos from table where col2 like 'yes') y |
| 20:18.36 | Corrodias | but i'm not sure about the joining syntax since they're not actually being joined on anything... |
| 20:18.47 | Corrodias | er |
| 20:18.52 | Corrodias | not x+y as total, that's just silly! |
| 20:19.09 | Corrodias | x.yesses + y.nos as total |
| 20:21.59 | tem|work | Thanks, Corrodias |
| 20:22.01 | tem|work | that's going to work |
| 20:22.15 | tem|work | I had tried something similar a bit ago but failed at the subquery syntax |
| 20:22.48 | Corrodias | np |
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| 20:24.28 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/143455822 |
| 20:26.34 | Ackis | http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/some-e-books-are-more-equal-than-others/ mmm irony |
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| 20:36.06 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj91eeoFOBk ohhhh |
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| 20:38.06 | alestane | lua> strsplit(" "," 5 k ") |
| 20:38.06 | lua_bot | alestane: , 5, , k, |
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| 20:43.30 | tem|work | Ackis: lol @ the Orwel thing |
| 20:44.11 | Ackis | aye very ironic |
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| 20:53.38 | cbreak | ... indeed. DRM is inconveient |
| 20:54.28 | DWSR | and mostly harmless. |
| 20:54.33 | foxlit | grumble |
| 20:54.58 | foxlit | $s = "foo"; // $s[0] == 'f'; but there's only strlen($s) |
| 20:55.29 | cbreak | zero based? |
| 20:55.47 | foxlit | I haven't actually checked. |
| 20:56.09 | cbreak | (reminds me of php?) |
| 20:56.14 | foxlit | is php. |
| 20:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It sure looks like php |
| 20:56.48 | End | no, what it looks like is php |
| 20:56.51 | End | ;p |
| 21:02.05 | DWSR | php |
| 21:02.22 | Ackis | ruby? |
| 21:02.23 | End | no, php |
| 21:02.30 | Ackis | diamond |
| 21:02.31 | Ackis | pearl |
| 21:02.49 | Esamynn | ~lart Ackis |
| 21:02.49 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks Ackis over |
| 21:03.05 | Ackis | pokemon! gotta catch em all |
| 21:03.09 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 21:03.09 | purl | crushes t with a full height scsi disk |
| 21:03.26 | Ackis | purl I hate you |
| 21:03.26 | purl | You hate you? |
| 21:03.32 | Ackis | no purl I hate you |
| 21:03.37 | Ackis | hah! |
| 21:03.37 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:03.42 | Ackis | I owned the bot! |
| 21:03.44 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 21:03.45 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of Jiminizer |
| 21:03.45 | Esamynn | ~fail Ackis |
| 21:03.46 | purl | Ackis: FAIL! |
| 21:04.03 | Jiminizer | D: |
| 21:04.13 | Ackis | muhahah you were randomededed |
| 21:04.41 | Aqua | Ackis: having fun? |
| 21:04.49 | Lunessa | http://www.bugatti.com/en/veyron-16.4.html - go look, drool, and cry |
| 21:04.52 | Aelobin | ~rlart |
| 21:04.52 | purl | executes killall -TERM Seerah|away |
| 21:04.58 | Aelobin | :o |
| 21:05.02 | Ackis | Aqua: I always have fun |
| 21:05.08 | Aqua | fair enough |
| 21:05.32 | Ackis | Aelobin: pfft it's not a mini-van hence forth it sucks |
| 21:05.49 | Aelobin | ok... O_o |
| 21:06.01 | Lunessa | Ackis - DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE |
| 21:06.12 | Ackis | pfft |
| 21:06.20 | Ackis | lets see you take the kids to hockey practice in that thing |
| 21:06.44 | End | ~die Ackis |
| 21:06.45 | purl | ACTION murders Ackis, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
| 21:06.49 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 21:06.50 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of malreth |
| 21:06.54 | Lunessa | If I'm driving that I don't have kids. I have more money than god, a coke habit and a string of super models I'm banging |
| 21:06.55 | Ackis | muhahahah |
| 21:07.10 | malreth | is already dead |
| 21:07.30 | Ackis | hmmm apparently there's a new harry potter out |
| 21:07.35 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:07.36 | Fisker | slaps malreth around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:07.41 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 21:07.42 | purl | hereby declares cbreak a troll |
| 21:07.53 | Esamynn | I'm just waiting for him to rlart himsef |
| 21:08.01 | Esamynn | s/himsef/himself/ |
| 21:08.10 | Ackis | Esamynn: it's happened before |
| 21:08.16 | Aelobin | nowai |
| 21:08.21 | Aelobin | ~rlart |
| 21:08.22 | purl | stabs Aiiane |
| 21:08.25 | cbreak | pokes purl |
| 21:08.27 | Aelobin | >: ) |
| 21:08.48 | Aelobin | time of death... |
| 21:09.34 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 21:09.35 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats PProvost until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 21:09.38 | Ackis | yay |
| 21:09.40 | Ackis | it's ALIVE |
| 21:09.49 | Lunessa | That car starts around 2 million US |
| 21:10.09 | foxlit | For a car of that price, the video sure is sucky. |
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| 21:10.17 | Ackis | see you can get a fully loaded mini-van for under $50k |
| 21:10.59 | Esamynn | Lunessa: WTF could make a car cost $2 million? |
| 21:11.05 | Lunessa | Ackis - I have a fully loaded suv for about 14 |
| 21:11.19 | Aiiane | I think that's the first time I've been hilighted in this channel for at least a couple of months |
| 21:11.23 | Ackis | Lunessa: yah but 1 years worth of gas will make up the different |
| 21:11.31 | Lunessa | Esamynn: It's sexy, it's got everything, and it's so fast you can probably go into the future |
| 21:11.33 | Ackis | I drive a almost fully loaded crossover |
| 21:11.51 | Lunessa | I have a Chvy Equinox. :) |
| 21:12.35 | Ackis | Dodge Journey, it looks like a SUV, drives like a car, and almost has the same storage as a mini-van |
| 21:13.37 | Lunessa | Ackis - Yeah, same sort of thing, although mine is classified as an SUV and not a crossover. |
| 21:14.14 | Ackis | ah |
| 21:14.20 | Ackis | I actually enjoy it |
| 21:14.30 | Ackis | it has a cooler in the back and in the front above the glove box |
| 21:15.43 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 21:15.44 | purl | takes out `Zypher with the trash |
| 21:15.51 | Ackis | man you got me sidetracked from rlarting |
| 21:17.26 | Aiiane | ~lart Ackis |
| 21:17.26 | purl | frags Ackis with his BFG9000 |
| 21:18.40 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 21:18.40 | purl | beats Vonhinten severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 21:22.19 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.paintalicious.org/2008/11/20/thomas-allens-book-art-photography |
| 21:22.57 | foxlit | arse error: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM |
| 21:23.27 | foxlit | Two jokes for the price of one there. |
| 21:23.45 | foxlit | curses text selection mechanics always clipping off the first character. |
| 21:24.35 | Lunessa | An arse error was dunnier |
| 21:24.48 | Lunessa | curses his inability type |
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| 21:33.21 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/company-denies-its-robots-feed-on-the-dead/ |
| 21:35.38 | DWSR | ~seen shirik |
| 21:35.42 | purl | shirik <n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15h 37m 29s ago, saying: '...'. |
| 21:36.02 | DWSR | Ackis: Drives like a car <- I don't believe you |
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| 21:36.20 | DWSR | Ackis: If it looks like an SUV, then is center of mass will be higher, and therefore it will have worse handling. |
| 21:36.57 | DWSR | s/is/its/ |
| 21:37.10 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 21:37.22 | DWSR | right right, nvm |
| 21:38.57 | DWSR | btw, did killing guards ever give honour? |
| 21:39.27 | End | it might have briefly, but IF it did, it didn't for very long |
| 21:39.56 | End | as in, it might not have even made it off the PTR if it did |
| 21:43.50 | Lunessa | DWSR: No, it never did. |
| 21:44.42 | Lunessa | the only honor effect for NPCs outside battle grounds was "dishonorable kills" for killing NPCs marked as civilians. |
| 21:44.43 | End | there was certainly a lingering misconception that it did though |
| 21:45.52 | malreth | do you remember when... "DK" didn't refer to a player character class? |
| 21:46.03 | End | yup |
| 21:46.07 | Lunessa | Haha, sadly yes. |
| 21:46.15 | malreth | funny thing, it still caused people to run away screaming in PvP |
| 21:46.23 | End | indeed it did |
| 21:46.29 | malreth | "RUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!!!!11!!11!@#@!!! |
| 21:47.15 | Lunessa | I was in raid last night and someone commented on how nice it was now that druids had a non-battle rez - and one of the primary healers was shocked that there was a time her class could only do the battle rez. |
| 21:47.34 | End | that was a recent change! |
| 21:47.38 | End | but needed |
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| 21:47.59 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 21:48.07 | foxlit | Those were good times with no Revive! |
| 21:48.14 | Lunessa | Yes, it was - but it shows you that there are still people coming to the game as new players. |
| 21:48.28 | malreth | What's a mage? |
| 21:48.40 | End | I remember doing 5mans on my druid, and suicidal mages were the worst |
| 21:48.44 | Lunessa | I feel that priests sort of got the "step child" treatment for healing when that happened. :) |
| 21:48.49 | End | making them run back didn't help them learn to stop dying any |
| 21:48.50 | foxlit | malreth: a constantly depressed, pet-less warlock. |
| 21:49.10 | malreth | why would anyone want to play a warlock without their pet? |
| 21:49.31 | End | malreth: you weren't here during TBC? :-P |
| 21:49.53 | malreth | :p |
| 21:50.01 | foxlit | Because mages aren't ZOMGEVILRUNFORYOURPETTYGNOMELIFE. |
| 21:50.10 | malreth | i give up on this problem at work.... Saturday begins now |
| 21:50.27 | NightHawkTheSane | holy shit, it's friday? |
| 21:50.29 | malreth | i'm going home |
| 21:50.33 | malreth | later all |
| 21:50.37 | Lunessa | only -- most warlocks on my server are GNOMES |
| 21:50.39 | NightHawkTheSane | could have sworn it was thursday. >< |
| 21:50.46 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: for about 10 more minutes |
| 21:50.47 | Lunessa | Later man |
| 21:51.06 | foxlit | is living in an all-saturday world. |
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| 21:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.cracked.com/funny-304-ayn-rand/ |
| 22:04.26 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Cracked.com is pretty hit or miss for funny - but I got a few chuckles. |
| 22:08.13 | nicoli_s | i thought the wow/mario one was alright |
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| 22:12.57 | Kraps | hey guys, charlie bit me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM |
| 22:14.53 | Kraps | charlie bites his own finger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mkYz2B-JfM |
| 22:18.49 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stn_XCo_dyg&feature=player_embedded |
| 22:20.59 | Kraps | omg i cant breath |
| 22:21.07 | Kraps | epic |
| 22:21.22 | Kraps | OVER 9000 PENISES |
| 22:27.22 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 22:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: made any progress on that level? |
| 22:28.03 | Kraps | Cairenn: inorite? |
| 22:28.10 | Cairenn | what are you talking about? |
| 22:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: ..... you totally just asked |
| 22:28.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Now look, I have no idea |
| 22:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | But did you REALLY have to ASK? |
| 22:28.53 | Kraps | what dwsr linked |
| 22:29.20 | Cairenn | just doesn't even want to know |
| 22:29.25 | DWSR | over 9,000 penisi. |
| 22:29.41 | Kraps | pienii |
| 22:29.45 | DWSR | ah |
| 22:29.50 | Kraps | penii* |
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| 22:30.10 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 22:33.54 | Cide | 24 minutes of awesomeness. |
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| 22:35.29 | DWSR | but we've only got 4 minutes to save the world! |
| 22:36.01 | DWSR | alright, it was bad |
| 22:36.15 | Kraps | female worgen are sexeh http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/july/newraces.jpg |
| 22:37.03 | tekkub | sure, I make that comment about the male and I'll get called a furry |
| 22:37.17 | bleeter | KJ > NIN : |
| 22:37.39 | Kraps | tekkub: cuz you're a guy |
| 22:37.52 | tekkub | DOUBLESTANDARD! |
| 22:37.56 | tekkub | wait you're not? |
| 22:38.01 | Kraps | i am |
| 22:38.11 | tekkub | so that logic dun work :P |
| 22:38.32 | Cide | see http://open.spotify.com/track/3a0bbtF74ndfcXGN8FHUyv |
| 22:38.38 | Kraps | yeah but you dont gotta say that :( |
| 22:44.15 | Dagmar | That houose must have a bit of lead paint in it |
| 22:46.54 | ZorbaBeta | oh man worgen |
| 22:47.02 | ZorbaBeta | that is like the only thing that might tempt me away from draenai |
| 22:47.06 | foxlit | # Crit. Aimed Shot from across the zone? |
| 22:47.28 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 22:48.29 | foxlit | They'd look silly with armor on. |
| 22:48.45 | foxlit | And without armor, they'd all just die in duskwood, mistaken for the mobs. |
| 22:48.58 | ZorbaBeta | a worgen in full plate would look awesome |
| 22:49.11 | Kraps | "On a non related sidenote, I would also like to point out that the old Emerald Dream maps that have been in the game files for years have been slightly updated throughout the 3.2, and in the Build 10072 of the PTRs the Map.dbc file with some of the settings for each zone was updated to make it a 40 Players max zone." |
| 22:49.13 | ZorbaBeta | I might actually be tempted to reroll my death knight as a worgen death knight |
| 22:50.29 | Kraps | but i thought we were getting maelstrom! |
| 22:50.40 | bleeter | Kraps: hahaha |
| 22:50.53 | foxlit | quit having a longer-than-30-seconds attention span! |
| 22:51.09 | bleeter | Kraps: I had thought for a while if they were really pushing ED off the agenda, they'd have removed it from the WOTLK install ;) |
| 22:51.18 | foxlit | It's worgen today, sentient sea-plankton tomorrow. |
| 22:51.35 | Mr_Rabies | is there an ETA on this next expansion |
| 22:51.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'm almost tempted to get back into wow at some point down the line but i haven't played since march 2008 |
| 22:51.53 | Kraps | Soon(tm) |
| 22:52.05 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: between SC2 and D3, at a guess ;) |
| 22:52.22 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: same... I ain't seen anything yet making me want to renew my sub |
| 22:52.32 | cbreak | ! |
| 22:52.37 | cbreak | don't you miss the grinding? |
| 22:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | i like the apparent usefulness of kitty droods |
| 22:52.48 | cbreak | doing repetitive daily quests for reputation? |
| 22:52.49 | Mr_Rabies | but i dunno how real that is |
| 22:53.00 | Kraps | Soon: Copyright 2004-2009 Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. All rights reserved. "Soon" does not imply any particular date, time, decade, century, or millennia in the past, present, and certainly not the future. "Soon" shall make no contract or warranty between Blizzard Entertainment and the end user. "Soon" will arrive some day, Blizzard does guarantee that "soon" will be here before the end of... |
| 22:53.01 | Kraps | ...time. Maybe. Do not make plans based on "soon" as Blizzard will not be liable for any misuse, use, or even casual glancing at "soon." |
| 22:53.04 | Mr_Rabies | last i heard they were useful |
| 22:53.58 | Kraps | cool http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time |
| 22:55.07 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard needs to quit working with activision and merge with valve |
| 22:55.13 | Mr_Rabies | call the company vaporware |
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| 22:56.50 | Kraps | Mr_Rabies: whys you stop wow? |
| 22:57.00 | Kraps | s/whys/whyd/ |
| 22:57.04 | Mr_Rabies | boredom mostly |
| 22:57.13 | Mr_Rabies | i had been playing since december 04 |
| 22:57.17 | Mr_Rabies | mostly the same character |
| 22:57.24 | Kraps | whoa |
| 22:57.33 | Mr_Rabies | since pretty much launch |
| 22:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | i was retardedly good but too lazy to grind to get the good gear |
| 22:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | got burned out from raiding back when MC was top of the line |
| 22:58.32 | Kraps | sits down to hear stories about the old days |
| 22:58.51 | Mr_Rabies | we had to walk up blackrock mountain uphill both ways |
| 22:59.01 | Kraps | damn |
| 22:59.08 | Mr_Rabies | and there were roving bands of pvpers ganking everyone outside the instance |
| 22:59.42 | Dagmar | You don't have to grind for gear. |
| 22:59.45 | Dagmar | Gear just happens now. |
| 22:59.50 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.00 | Mr_Rabies | and tarren mill runs |
| 23:00.01 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 23:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | tarren mill runs |
| 23:00.18 | Kraps | you're horde? |
| 23:00.21 | Mr_Rabies | nothing like the whole continent being unstable because of huge packs of people battling en masse at tarren mill |
| 23:00.24 | Dagmar | Kraps: I still say they should have made the Grim Guzzler a non-instanced bit |
| 23:00.27 | Mr_Rabies | my main was alliance |
| 23:00.45 | Kraps | Dagmar: whats that? |
| 23:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | a bar in BRD |
| 23:01.06 | Mr_Rabies | with lots of cool stuff in it |
| 23:01.13 | Mr_Rabies | all kinds of neato scripted events |
| 23:01.40 | Dagmar | For one place, that's where you get the placeable BEER |
| 23:01.46 | Dagmar | ...and you can play "PROTECT THE BEER |
| 23:01.49 | Dagmar | !" |
| 23:02.07 | Dagmar | Surely you've been in the Guzzler before |
| 23:02.35 | Kraps | no way |
| 23:02.46 | Kraps | i came near the end of bc |
| 23:03.18 | Kraps | i didnt know how to get gear for heroics |
| 23:03.34 | Kraps | then wrath came and saved me |
| 23:04.22 | Kraps | see ya guys |
| 23:04.31 | Dagmar | Ah well, go into BRD sometime by your lonesome or whateevr and right near the middle of the place you'll find a bar |
| 23:04.42 | Mr_Rabies | i did just about every quest in base wow |
| 23:04.48 | Dagmar | Rule #1: Don't lift drinks |
| 23:04.54 | Mr_Rabies | or do |
| 23:05.02 | Dagmar | You take a drink off the bar and there _will_ be trouble. |
| 23:05.04 | Mr_Rabies | honestly it's probably retardedly easy to solo now |
| 23:05.17 | Mr_Rabies | i was soloing the trash in MC on my druid at 70 |
| 23:05.33 | Dagmar | Buy some beers from the bartender and then go into the little room offf to the side on the lower level and put a beer down. |
| 23:05.38 | Dagmar | Keep the drunks from getting at it. :) |
| 23:06.00 | Dagmar | It'll pull the entire bar, (mostly) one drunk at a time |
| 23:06.28 | Dagmar | Oh, and um, don't get Rocknot drunk by feeding him six beers unless you've done it before |
| 23:07.18 | Mr_Rabies | i loved doing the succubus' quest |
| 23:07.27 | Mr_Rabies | so she and rocknot would make out under the stairs |
| 23:07.30 | Dagmar | defintely easier to get through the bar afterwards, to be sure |
| 23:07.33 | Mr_Rabies | making that whole part super easy |
| 23:07.58 | Mr_Rabies | i mean hell i remember when a ubrs run was like WHOAAAA DANG HIGH ROLLER |
| 23:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | (mostly because there was basically one raiding guild that just stole members from every guild before it had a chance to develop into a raiding guild basically almost until TBC) |
| 23:08.51 | Mr_Rabies | so our server was kinda stunted on getting good gear |
| 23:10.58 | Dagmar | yeah, pugging would be easier if there were a persistent way to filter out the retarded ten year olds |
| 23:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: thats easy, don't group with anyone you haven't personally met. :P |
| 23:15.00 | Dagmar | Yeah that's how I know which regular mode dungeons I can solo |
| 23:16.05 | Dagmar | Mostly I just make heavy use of NotesUNeed |
| 23:21.11 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, be the tank/party leader, boot people with joy and gusto |
| 23:21.31 | Dagmar | Been there, done that |
| 23:22.05 | Dagmar | I don't like suggesting to people at 80 that perhaps Hello Kitty Island Adventures is more their speed |
| 23:22.23 | ZorbaBeta | but it's so much more fun with good players |
| 23:22.32 | ZorbaBeta | we did a guild gundrak run for achievements yesterday |
| 23:22.46 | ZorbaBeta | aside from the end boss, we did the whole thing without a healer, and I swear we burned down monsters faster than I can solo normal monsters |
| 23:22.51 | Dagmar | I think most of the achievements I've gotten in heroics were accidental |
| 23:23.07 | Dagmar | Yeah mainly from cutting corners and having to be super-aggressive about stuff |
| 23:23.16 | Dagmar | I didn't know there was even an achievement for Prince Keleseth |
| 23:24.06 | Dagmar | Got it in a pug last week because our healer went linkdead right as the pull happened |
| 23:32.35 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* my friend hooked up both the DVI and VGA to the same monitor. |
| 23:32.42 | Thunder_Child | cables* |
| 23:32.45 | cbreak | good. |
| 23:32.51 | cbreak | you can compare now :) |
| 23:33.25 | Thunder_Child | i have 2 monitors, and an older vid card because mine broke, one is through VGA the other is through DVI, the VGA one SUCKS...it's pissing me off |
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| 23:35.29 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Yeah, i know. |
| 23:35.35 | DWSR | I want a DVI->HDMIT |
| 23:35.37 | DWSR | HDMI* |
| 23:36.09 | DWSR | noms Cairenn |
| 23:36.28 | Thunder_Child | there is i think |
| 23:37.10 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 23:37.13 | cbreak | drm... |
| 23:37.49 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Yeah, there is. |
| 23:37.54 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: I just want to get one |
| 23:38.11 | Thunder_Child | they are < u.s.$10 |
| 23:38.49 | DWSR | excellent. |
| 23:38.55 | DWSR | Need to go to Best Buy then. |
| 23:38.57 | DWSR | And get the cable. |
| 23:39.04 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 23:39.06 | DWSR | So I can finally get rid of the fucking blur on my 22" monitor. GOOD CHRIST. |
| 23:39.10 | Thunder_Child | i dunno how much they are at best buy |
| 23:39.24 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: I price match. Best Buy will be the closest store that carries them. |
| 23:39.30 | DWSR | And another local shop will be the cheapest. |
| 23:39.50 | DWSR | So, I beat the local shop's prices, earn Best Buy rewards points and save gas. |
| 23:39.57 | Thunder_Child | ah, though i just noticed that the DVI to HDMI w/ audio is slighty more expensive |
| 23:40.08 | DWSR | I just need video. :) |
| 23:41.43 | DWSR | http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10104270&catid=23216 <-- Ok, wtf. |
| 23:42.23 | Thunder_Child | ouch |
| 23:42.25 | DWSR | People know that there's no difference between Monster cables and a f***ing coat hangar, right? |
| 23:42.59 | Thunder_Child | yes there is, monster cables use magic, coat hangers do not....unless you are performing an abortion. |
| 23:43.09 | DWSR | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:43.17 | DWSR | We got a quote bot on this chan? |
| 23:43.54 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so |
| 23:44.52 | Cide | Adys: ping |
| 23:45.17 | Cide | guess I can ask the channel in general |
| 23:45.26 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 23:45.30 | Thunder_Child | we hate you |
| 23:46.00 | Cide | I need to implement a very simple scripting language in python with the requirements 1) fast to parse, 2) cacheable (pretty much) |
| 23:46.26 | Cide | but for the parser, do you think it's fastest to try to regex it, or should I parse it letter by letter? |
| 23:46.38 | Cide | or split it by, say, whitespace and parse each token |
| 23:47.05 | Adys | cide:pong |
| 23:47.09 | Cide | see above |
| 23:47.40 | Cide | I'm leaning towards the token splitting since that is implemented in C, but obviously already does a linear search through the 'code' |
| 23:47.52 | DWSR | wait wait wait. |
| 23:48.02 | Cide | probably need to do it in c to get any faster than that, though |
| 23:48.03 | DWSR | You're trying to write a scripting language in a scripting language? |
| 23:48.09 | Cide | I'm coding a game. |
| 23:48.13 | DWSR | You're trying to write a scripting language in a scripting language? |
| 23:48.27 | Cide | it needs some basic scripting support for interaction with npc's |
| 23:48.33 | DWSR | You're trying to write a scripting language in a scripting language? |
| 23:48.44 | DWSR | (my point is, what's wrong with Python)? |
| 23:48.46 | Cide | I'm a better troll than you; don't even try |
| 23:49.04 | DWSR | lulz, trust me, this isn't trolling. :P |
| 23:49.09 | Cide | I'm a better troll than you; don't even try |
| 23:49.12 | Adys | Cide: Someone told me to use Flex when I started parsing the wow spells |
| 23:49.32 | Cide | my designer is not a programmer and the syntax would be too complicated |
| 23:49.42 | Adys | in the end I went with char by char parsing and some regexes |
| 23:49.43 | Adys | but |
| 23:49.54 | Adys | the spell.dbc is a macro language, not a real scripting language |
| 23:50.13 | Cide | DWSR: besides, I have a few special needs that are most easily taken care of by parsing it |
| 23:50.36 | DWSR | Cide: I can't think of how creating a scripting language inside of a scripting language can take care of anything. |
| 23:50.52 | Cide | for example, once executed, I need to serialize the state the code is in |
| 23:50.59 | DWSR | You're increasing the complexity of the engine. |
| 23:51.24 | Cide | from a CS standpoint, sure, but not from a non-programming designer's point of view |
| 23:51.46 | Cide | I'd need to inject lots of code into the generated python function to accomplish the serialization though |
| 23:51.58 | DWSR | Cide: Are there not already eggs for this? |
| 23:52.02 | Cide | no clue |
| 23:52.06 | DWSR | You seem to be reinventing the wheel. |
| 23:52.12 | Cide | obviously, I'm coding a scripting language |
| 23:52.17 | Cide | it's not like it's the first |
| 23:52.23 | DWSR | (That joke is a lot funnier if we were talking about Perl, but sigh). |
| 23:52.32 | Cide | anyway |
| 23:52.39 | DWSR | Yeah, but you're talking about serialization within Python. |
| 23:52.55 | Cide | your point? |
| 23:52.58 | DWSR | I'm sure people have needed to do such things before, and I'm sure there's an Egg you can use to make it a lot easier. |
| 23:53.06 | Cide | I have very specific needs though |
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| 23:53.14 | Cide | but it's possible you're right |
| 23:53.16 | DWSR | So take the Lego approach. |
| 23:53.26 | DWSR | Build on the building blocks of others until you've got what you need. |
| 23:53.33 | Cide | sounds more difficult |
| 23:53.50 | DWSR | depends on how sophisticated the Egg is, I would imagine. |
| 23:53.55 | Cide | the 'scripting language' is basically |
| 23:54.00 | Cide | the if conditional |
| 23:54.02 | Cide | and function calls |
| 23:54.11 | Adys | Cide: in case you're interested, http://dpaste.com/68378/ |
| 23:54.25 | DWSR | Is there a reason why your designer can't learn how to do If in Perl? |
| 23:54.29 | Adys | (this is terribad code, dont reuse it, but its based on pypy's string parsing) |
| 23:54.29 | Cide | fuck perl |
| 23:54.34 | Adys | and fuck perl |
| 23:54.38 | Industrial | World of Warcraft: The Furry Maelstrom |
| 23:54.45 | Dagmar | Python coders have no room to make accusations about perl coders reinventing anything |
| 23:54.46 | DWSR | err. Python* |
| 23:54.47 | Industrial | what do you guys think about the worgen masks? |
| 23:55.09 | Industrial | will worgen be the new night/blood elves? |
| 23:55.12 | Industrial | :p |
| 23:55.15 | Cide | I can serialize the state by checking which if statements were executed, enumerate the function calls, state = f1_executed() | f2_executed() << 1 | f3_executed() << 3 |
| 23:55.24 | Cide | etc |
| 23:55.31 | Cide | very simple |
| 23:55.33 | Dagmar | They're just masks, not playable character races |
| 23:55.39 | Dagmar | ...so no boobies |
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| 23:56.05 | Cide | Adys: I'll look at it, thanks |
| 23:56.11 | DWSR | Cide: I think you might be taking a sledgehammer to swat a fly, but maybe not. |
| 23:56.17 | Cide | DWSR: how so? |
| 23:56.21 | Industrial | We'll find out, though I think I like it as long as both factions can play either race |
| 23:56.23 | Adys | Cide: in general, PyPy is a good source of inspiration for this kind of thing |
| 23:56.28 | Industrial | I'd rather have a new class though |
| 23:56.30 | DWSR | How complicated is Python syntax? |
| 23:56.38 | Cide | not very complicated |
| 23:56.42 | DWSR | Ok... |
| 23:56.43 | DWSR | So. |
| 23:56.50 | Cide | but it's the serialization of the state I'm worried about in that case |
| 23:56.56 | DWSR | Why do you need to write a wrapper for Python for Designers? |
| 23:57.00 | Cide | and I need to be able to restore it at that specific state later |
| 23:57.06 | Gnarfoz | <Dagmar> They're just masks, not playable character races <-- seeing as the only other masks are from playable races, their addition could indeed mean what people take it to mean. it's speculation anyway |
| 23:57.08 | Cide | because I'm designing a game |
| 23:57.14 | DWSR | Just grab an Egg that will provide a means to serialize and off you go. |
| 23:57.15 | Cide | I'm the only programmer on the project |
| 23:57.27 | Cide | and restore the program at that specific point of execution? |
| 23:57.30 | Cide | halfway through a function? |
| 23:57.31 | DWSR | Your designer should be able to grasp the concept of if this then that else something else; |
| 23:57.39 | Cide | python doesn't have goto |
| 23:57.49 | DWSR | And you people say Perl's bad. |
| 23:57.54 | Adys | from __future__ import goto |
| 23:57.56 | Cide | I don't say anything |
| 23:58.18 | Cide | Adys: still seems hacky though :) |
| 23:58.23 | Cide | I could do python syntax |
| 23:58.28 | Dagmar | dwer: doesn't mean they're not xlueles |
| 23:58.29 | Cide | if I could get the serialization to work right |
| 23:58.35 | DWSR | Cide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serialization#Python |
| 23:58.45 | Cide | yes, you can serialize a function |
| 23:58.59 | Cide | but you can't serialize the *state* of a function halfway through its execution, and later on restore it at that point |
| 23:59.10 | Cide | and serialize it into an integer, at that |
| 23:59.42 | DWSR | You sure that pickle doesn't? |
| 23:59.51 | DWSR | I'm not trying to be stupid. |
| 23:59.52 | Cide | pickle turns it into a string |
