| 00:01.35 | Lunessa | And on that note, I has a raid and dinner to get to... so ciao. |
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| 00:04.25 | bleeter | Cairenn: I beleive norgs + 1 will be heading to blizzcon, you may wanna ping him for events n stuff you're organising |
| 00:04.47 | Cairenn | thanks for the reminder bleeter :) |
| 00:05.34 | bleeter | pretty sure MentalPower's going to, dunno about other Norganna's folks |
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| 00:05.48 | bleeter | Cairenn: you're welcome :) |
| 00:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | There will soon be epic pouting. All are warned! |
| 00:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, and I'm moving this weekend, so after tomorrow you're not over likely to see me until Tuesday! |
| 00:08.54 | bleeter | NOES! :'( |
| 00:10.00 | theorb | Why will there be epic pouting? |
| 00:12.03 | Cairenn | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 00:16.14 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, are you waiting for a general number of attendies before choosing a place of consumption? |
| 00:18.59 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, consumption! |
| 00:19.25 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, I'm staying home this year, since I will have only just moved a few weeks previous. |
| 00:19.27 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: well, I've got a place in mind, depending on a few things, but I do need a general number of attendees in order to make the reservations |
| 00:21.33 | theorbtwo | Aww. |
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| 00:22.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'll get the streaming video and hope to see everyone waving at me. :) And photoshop myself into all of the group pics once they're posted. |
| 00:22.44 | theorbtwo | Heh. |
| 00:23.04 | theorbtwo | I wonder if they'll wait until blizcon to land 3.2. |
| 00:23.39 | alestane | I doubt it, at this point. |
| 00:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | That's still a month away, so I doubt it. They'll have it in place first, so their engineers can enjoy the con too. I hope! |
| 00:24.20 | alestane | They dropped 3.0 right around BlizzCon last year, don't quite remember if it was just before or after, but it was insanely close. |
| 00:25.34 | theorbtwo | wants to pick up his cheap mounts! |
| 00:26.04 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jZVE5uF24Q |
| 00:26.18 | bleeter | SFW.. unless work has a Jane Austen and/or Sea Monsters policy |
| 00:27.18 | Cairenn | right after, thank god |
| 00:32.32 | Adys | http://mmo-champion.com Could people test tooltips in IE7 |
| 00:33.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, does not have. :( At work I could, or if I hadn't packed up the desktop. Laptop has 8. |
| 00:33.39 | Adys | ie8 compat mode I need too |
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| 00:35.45 | Dashkal | Adys: ie8 compat mode I could see item tooltips. |
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| 00:36.28 | Adys | what do you mean? |
| 00:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | I can't without unhooking all of the "do not run this script" stuff I use... sorry. I get nothing out of that site. |
| 00:36.43 | Adys | nps peppy |
| 00:37.02 | Wobin | Cairenn: watch bleeter's link =) |
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| 00:37.09 | Adys | I think the css isn't being embedded in IE |
| 00:37.10 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 00:37.19 | Dashkal | Adys: Well, what in particular should I poke at? Comparing Firefox 3.0.11 to ie8 in compat, I see more or less the same thing |
| 00:37.20 | bleeter | everyone should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jZVE5uF24Q |
| 00:37.33 | kd3|hate`net | grrs some more |
| 00:37.35 | bleeter | Cairenn: you'll laugh, if not I'll eat my pants! |
| 00:37.42 | Adys | Dashkal: ok, great |
| 00:37.50 | Adys | I still need someone on ie7 :( |
| 00:37.59 | Adys | I refuse to believe everyone has upgraded |
| 00:38.37 | Dashkal | heh, I was using ie6 until a month ago. Never bothered upgrading since I use firefox. |
| 00:38.48 | Dagmar | WUS pushed IE8 out as standard awhile back |
| 00:38.52 | Cairenn | Adys: well, opening it in FF then switching the rendering to an IE tab, this message pops up on me: "Line: 206 |
| 00:38.52 | Cairenn | Error: 'undefined' is null or not an object" |
| 00:39.05 | Adys | which file? |
| 00:39.14 | Cairenn | just opening the page at all |
| 00:39.28 | Adys | its prolly the mmoc js then |
| 00:40.33 | Cairenn | as for tooltips ... what tooltips? |
| 00:40.40 | Adys | hover an item name |
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| 00:40.49 | Adys | youmight need to ctrl-f5 |
| 00:40.53 | bleeter | adys should watch the video too! |
| 00:41.16 | Adys | fine |
| 00:42.04 | Cairenn | okay, after a hard refresh, the tooltips show up fine |
| 00:42.11 | Cairenn | in the IE tab |
| 00:42.19 | Drayk | Quick question |
| 00:42.20 | Lopeppeppy | But I only like soft ice cream. |
| 00:42.26 | Adys | it happens, couldnt reproduce, like xkcd |
| 00:42.27 | Drayk | How to leave a group via a slash command? |
| 00:42.35 | Adys | script LeaveParty(); |
| 00:42.37 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.43 | Drayk | Thanks |
| 00:42.45 | kd3 | er, Party() |
| 00:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | They type faster. :) |
| 00:42.48 | Adys | that was my first lua script \o/ |
| 00:42.56 | Adys | I learned it by heart back in 1.3. |
| 00:43.05 | Adys | back when it was really, really needed. |
| 00:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | I remember that one from way back as well, getting stuck in groups after you log out. |
| 00:43.34 | End | yeah |
| 00:43.48 | End | there's LeaveParty() and RepopMe() |
| 00:43.57 | Drayk | RepopMe()? |
| 00:44.07 | bleeter | bring up the 'resurrect' dialog, iirc |
| 00:44.08 | foxlit | accepts a resurrect |
| 00:44.09 | Drayk | It do the same thing? |
| 00:44.14 | Drayk | ah |
| 00:44.14 | bleeter | oh accept, k |
| 00:44.23 | Adys | End: my GOD why did I never know this one |
| 00:44.27 | Drayk | I just use UsefulExtras for autoressing |
| 00:44.39 | End | it doesn't accept rez |
| 00:44.42 | End | it relases |
| 00:44.45 | End | releases* |
| 00:44.59 | End | sometimes the release static dialog doesn't show up for people |
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| 00:46.08 | foxlit | I haven't, since like 1.7, encountered a situation where that dialog wouldn't appear and RepopMe() would work. |
| 00:46.25 | End | I have |
| 00:46.37 | kd3 | I have too |
| 00:46.43 | End | pretty infrequently, but I've needed to use it or type it out for guildies |
| 00:46.45 | kd3 | got stuck in netherstorm a few times right after a patch |
| 00:47.01 | foxlit | It's odd. I'm inclined to blame addons :) |
| 00:47.23 | foxlit | There used to be server sync issues, especially in combination with TM/SS pvp |
| 00:47.42 | foxlit | Haven't seen those for a while |
| 00:47.50 | End | could be an addon, dunno |
| 00:47.58 | Arrowmaster | after like 8 hours i finally have my new computer assembled, im too tired to try and boot it now though |
| 00:48.15 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: slowpoke. |
| 00:48.37 | Arrowmaster | i had 10 harddrives to mount! |
| 00:48.59 | foxlit | Worst case scenario, that's like 8 screws / drive. |
| 00:49.00 | End | 10? |
| 00:49.01 | Arrowmaster | cable routign was a bitch |
| 00:49.27 | foxlit | And by the time you're up to 10 drives, you probably aren't using screws to begin with. |
| 00:49.46 | |Jelly| | paper clips and duct tape |
| 00:49.48 | End | I'm a fan of the sliders my case uses |
| 00:49.54 | End | but it doesn't fit 10 drives |
| 00:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: have VNC? |
| 00:52.09 | Adys | no |
| 00:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a vista/IE7 VM with VNC access handy |
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| 00:53.17 | Adys | think you could check it there for me? :P |
| 00:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | relink? |
| 00:56.10 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: http://mmo-champion.com |
| 00:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly am I checking? |
| 00:56.47 | Adys | tooltips |
| 00:56.50 | Adys | if they look right |
| 00:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure |
| 00:57.14 | Adys | they do? |
| 00:57.21 | Adys | (colors) |
| 00:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 00:57.50 | Adys | ok great |
| 00:57.54 | Adys | another of those Bibi bugs. |
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| 01:02.30 | Aqua | so who want to be a guinea pig for me? |
| 01:02.49 | Adys | are you female? |
| 01:02.54 | Aqua | hell no |
| 01:03.01 | Adys | then thats a no Im afraid |
| 01:03.03 | Aqua | and not that type of testing.... |
| 01:03.04 | End | Your names confuse me. |
| 01:03.11 | End | I see A and then 3 more letters |
| 01:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | *squeak* |
| 01:03.19 | End | therefore you are the same person |
| 01:03.34 | End | (I'm allowed to be lazy) |
| 01:03.34 | Aqua | I need someone to try to telnet / ssh / ping my outside ip |
| 01:03.36 | Cairenn | bleeter: rofl |
| 01:03.45 | Cairenn | (finally got to watch it) |
| 01:04.00 | Adys | 74.137.176.82 Aqua? |
| 01:04.04 | Aqua | yea |
| 01:04.13 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/276/ |
| 01:04.16 | Adys | timeout |
| 01:04.20 | Aqua | on icmp? |
| 01:04.37 | Aqua | or all 3? |
| 01:04.41 | Adys | telnet, ssh and ping just hang |
| 01:04.45 | Adys | no answer |
| 01:04.48 | Aqua | good |
| 01:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 01:04.58 | Aqua | i just got done installing a new firewall |
| 01:05.24 | Adys | now I need you to be female. |
| 01:05.47 | Aqua | hhahaa, sorry, I am gonna go make out with my Cisco ASA now, that thing is soo hot... |
| 01:06.10 | foxlit | fs, itunes. |
| 01:06.21 | foxlit | Regional limitations aren't nice. |
| 01:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. It's my Peppy bedtime. TTFN! |
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| 01:07.02 | Aqua | peppy bedtime? |
| 01:07.04 | Aqua | wow that s anew one |
| 01:07.10 | End | it's like |
| 01:07.12 | End | not late |
| 01:07.46 | alestane | Peppy is moving this weekend and all worn out from packing! |
| 01:10.41 | Wobin | hm |
| 01:10.47 | Wobin | hi2u BlizzardBackgroundDownloader |
| 01:12.01 | Aqua | part1 is pushing |
| 01:12.07 | Aqua | another big patch |
| 01:12.21 | kd3 | 3.2.0 part 1 |
| 01:12.23 | kd3 | of about 5 |
| 01:12.25 | kd3 | >.> |
| 01:12.43 | Aqua | freakin hell another 1 gig patch? |
| 01:12.50 | kd3 | yar |
| 01:13.08 | Aqua | this game is like 18 gigs now |
| 01:13.43 | Aqua | wts compress tech |
| 01:13.52 | foxlit | wtb less assets. |
| 01:14.17 | foxlit | But hey, what do I care. Hard drive sizes are increasing faster than WoW's install size. |
| 01:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I find the people playing on 40GB drives entertaining |
| 01:14.42 | Aqua | i have a 120 |
| 01:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Every now and then one of them pops up and whines that they can't play/install/patch because they have no space |
| 01:14.52 | ScytheBlade1 | My smallest is 500, now |
| 01:15.02 | foxlit | Their only shortcoming is not releasing integrated DVDs for the wow+bc+wotlk+patches stack. |
| 01:15.05 | Aqua | my actually pc drives are all small |
| 01:15.15 | Aqua | my server drivers are huge |
| 01:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: oh wait, they did! |
| 01:15.20 | kd3 | doesn't the wrath dvd install wow from scratch? |
| 01:15.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It does |
| 01:15.47 | foxlit | So they're flawless. |
| 01:15.50 | foxlit | I'm glad we agree <3 |
| 01:16.37 | Aqua | so wait you mean you can run the wotlk dvd when you need to do a fresh install? |
| 01:17.06 | Aqua | cause thats unlike every other blizzard game, where you have to disc swap ... |
| 01:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 01:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The wrath DVD will install WoW, TBC, and Wrath |
| 01:17.33 | foxlit | I'm surprised that fit on one dvd, however. |
| 01:17.44 | Aqua | well you learn something every day |
| 01:17.53 | Aqua | i know that disk was big, its a dual layer dvd, like 7 gigs |
| 01:18.05 | Aqua | or bigger, idk, off hand |
| 01:18.08 | ScytheBlade1 | They also have online installers, which will do the same |
| 01:18.26 | foxlit | Which aren't interesting because then you get to torrent ZOMGIGS of stuff. |
| 01:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They don't torrent |
| 01:18.43 | foxlit | At which point, finding your CDs gets easier than waiting through that. |
| 01:18.44 | Aqua | the online installers direct http download don't they |
| 01:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | HTTP off of paid CDNs |
| 01:18.56 | foxlit | Probably both? |
| 01:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | No, just HTTP |
| 01:19.27 | foxlit | Either way, doesn't change the equation much. |
| 01:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It does if you have a decent connection |
| 01:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I installed it with the last two times |
| 01:20.14 | foxlit | Time to beat is about an hour if you go through CDs? |
| 01:20.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And their HTTP mirrors WILL max your connection, I've pulled upwards of 30MB/sec from them |
| 01:20.42 | ScytheBlade1 | (bytes... not bits) |
| 01:20.43 | foxlit | I don't have that kind of downstream. |
| 01:21.00 | Aqua | i have 20 megabits and i know they have maxed mine before |
| 01:21.01 | kd3 | I think I could get that fast of a connection back at school... maybe? |
| 01:22.58 | foxlit | What's the download size, out of interest? |
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| 01:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't know offhand |
| 01:23.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I'm decently sure it downloads up to the latest major patch |
| 01:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It's been a while |
| 01:23.47 | ScytheBlade1 | So you click a button, wait, and then all you have are minor patches to install |
| 01:24.33 | foxlit | "Less than 1 minute" << Someone's optimistic. |
| 01:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
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| 01:25.16 | Aqua | hmmm, windows 7 will on MSDN beginning of august |
| 01:25.33 | foxlit | I'm guessing that's just the time it'll take to restart to a proper downloader. |
| 01:26.36 | foxlit | 6.4 GB |
| 01:26.56 | foxlit | ~2.33 hours. |
| 01:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Aqua: link? |
| 01:28.18 | theorbtwo | I really wish they'd do a better job with the damn patch downloaders. |
| 01:28.43 | theorbtwo | The streaming client rocked when I was doing evaluation. If they let me play under that, I'd be happy. |
| 01:29.43 | alestane | Gotta love the people who want to actually drag the UI *off* the client window. |
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| 01:30.54 | ZorbaTHut | man, I'd love to be able to do that |
| 01:31.13 | foxlit | And *off* the monitor! |
| 01:31.21 | ZorbaTHut | onto another computer entirely! |
| 01:35.54 | Aqua | ScytheBlade1: its a check / debug build |
| 01:36.13 | Kraps | so is vista SP2 good? |
| 01:36.18 | Aqua | no, windows 7 is gonna be out so fast |
| 01:36.22 | Aqua | vista is gonna be windows ME |
| 01:36.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Aqua: no, link to your source saying it'll be on technet at the beginning of aug |
| 01:37.27 | Aqua | hold on |
| 01:40.41 | Aqua | i'm trying to find the link that stated that it would hit msdn 2 months before retail |
| 01:40.50 | Aqua | but my mac battery just died |
| 01:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | that would fit with their timeline |
| 01:41.24 | Aqua | http://windows7center.com/forums/windows-7-general-discussion/2746-technet-msdn-will-get-rtm-month.html |
| 01:42.03 | Aqua | thats where i read it, it links to geeksmack |
| 01:43.09 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, 3.5 more weeks |
| 01:43.25 | Aqua | hell the RC is stable as hell atm |
| 01:43.38 | Aqua | i'm dieing to get off vista |
| 01:43.58 | ScytheBlade1 | also can't go RC --> retail |
| 01:43.59 | Adys | dying |
| 01:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So not worth it right now |
| 01:44.14 | Adys | dieing(sp?) |
| 01:44.15 | batbot | Adys, dieing is correct. |
| 01:44.18 | Adys | FU |
| 01:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | dying |
| 01:44.28 | Adys | its dying indeed |
| 01:44.52 | Aqua | sue me |
| 01:45.00 | Adys | ~sue Aqua |
| 01:45.00 | purl | ACTION acting on orders from an unspecified client, drags Aqua into court suing for $200 million |
| 01:45.03 | Aqua | i never spell correctly unless i run smell check |
| 01:45.16 | Adys | ~smell aqua |
| 01:45.55 | Aqua | you don't want to smell me |
| 01:45.58 | Drayk | Ugh, I want to make a anti-ninja addon |
| 01:46.11 | Aqua | *spell.... shit i can't type i hate this keyboard |
| 01:46.11 | Drayk | Too bad I don't know the slightest bit about Lua |
| 01:47.24 | Aqua | learn man, nothing is impossible |
| 01:47.34 | Drayk | eh |
| 01:47.49 | Drayk | I still need to finish learning web languages |
| 01:48.05 | Kraps | 3.2 is already downloading |
| 01:48.34 | Drayk | Entire? |
| 01:48.38 | Drayk | Or just part? |
| 01:48.46 | Aqua | just part |
| 01:48.56 | Drayk | Also, how many badges will the chest heirloom be, anyone know? |
| 01:49.01 | Drayk | Erm, emblems |
| 01:49.32 | Dashkal | I'd like to know that one myself. But I haven't heard of any reports yet. |
| 01:49.48 | Drayk | Darn |
| 01:50.04 | Dashkal | 20% xp is pretty |
| 01:51.04 | Drayk | oh |
| 01:51.07 | Drayk | aww |
| 01:51.20 | Drayk | "EDIT: Looks like the new items will come from upcoming new Argent Crusade rewards." |
| 01:51.24 | Kraps | what type of emblems will heirlooms be? |
| 01:51.27 | Drayk | http://wow.incgamers.com/blog/comments/ptr-3.2-new-argent-tournament-updates/ |
| 01:52.33 | Dagmar | I like how casual they are about mentioning a whole new island came up out of the sea |
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| 01:53.49 | foxlit | Dagmar: that's probably because it didn't come up out of the sea. |
| 01:54.38 | Drayk | hmm |
| 01:54.48 | Drayk | Guess I'm not getting one of those chest pieces for about 4 months |
| 01:55.03 | Drayk | to the point where the island isn't a gankfest like the Isle of QD was |
| 01:56.41 | foxlit | pvp realm? |
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| 01:58.11 | foxlit | grr |
| 01:58.18 | foxlit | birds are vindictive in the morning |
| 01:58.42 | foxlit | should sleep. |
| 02:02.59 | Dagmar | foxlit: That island isn't there on Live |
| 02:03.23 | Dagmar | I suppose he expects me to believe that storks brought it or something |
| 02:06.38 | Aqua | its like women with breast implants, they pop up overnight you know.... |
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| 02:17.31 | airtonix | FFS |
| 02:17.40 | airtonix | kills router |
| 02:17.42 | Drayk | heh |
| 02:21.04 | airtonix | wts apathy |
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| 03:28.34 | Wobin | http://www.fandome.com/video/114027/Guy-Shooting-Clay-Pigeonswith-a-bow/?q=c |
| 03:28.39 | Wobin | that's pretty cool |
| 03:30.29 | ccox | wow |
| 03:39.05 | Arrowmaster | so if i go offline in a minute it means the power breaker cant handle me running two desktops along with everything else i have on this circuit |
| 03:40.14 | Arrowmaster | yay i still have power |
| 03:46.33 | Nechckn | Wobin that is wild! |
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| 03:52.45 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-LX5Ybwlhk&feature=related |
| 03:52.45 | Arrowmaster | hmm cpu at 50C in the bios with a bigass zalman cooler.... |
| 03:52.55 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:52.58 | Arrowmaster | maybe i messed up the thermal paste |
| 03:53.01 | kd3 | your thermal glue shot? |
| 03:53.03 | kd3 | hah |
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| 03:53.29 | Arrowmaster | the zalman instructions said to put it on both the cpu and the heatsink |
| 03:53.54 | sacarasc | My system idles at about 33c. |
| 03:53.59 | sacarasc | It's quite nice like that. |
| 03:54.01 | Arrowmaster | mobo temp is at 50C too |
| 03:54.10 | Arrowmaster | but i dont know where thats monitoring from |
| 03:54.29 | airtonix | northbridge? |
| 03:56.24 | kd3 | meh, I'd like to get my system down to 33c. I'm just happy it's around 40 at idle |
| 04:01.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Wow. This is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH6r2tIaRXU |
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| 04:10.41 | sacarasc | NightHawkTheSane: For me all of them would say just about the same thing. Same direction, 5000+ miles... |
| 04:13.28 | Nechckn | During G4 television's coverage of E3, they had a demo of a game using a board where the players and stuff all were displayed on the board from the phone |
| 04:13.40 | Nechckn | I cannot recall the name, nor find it, though |
| 04:14.07 | Nechckn | basically, there was a board with a typical city center, large buildings, parks, roads... |
| 04:14.35 | Nechckn | Then, the camera would show your character walking on the road and then the bad dudes would appear and you'd kill 'em. |
| 04:15.41 | Nechckn | The cool part is that you could walk around the table and look at the board, via the phone, from different angles, and the players would all appear correctly. |
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| 04:20.39 | Nechckn | maybe it wasn't G4... it was really cool.. my search skills fail, though |
| 04:21.35 | kd3 | thinks of eden of the east's superphone search engine |
| 04:28.19 | Kraps | gaaaahhhh i just got northern barrier |
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| 04:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm |
| 04:37.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I can reboot my server to see if an updated kernel fixes the issue, and kill my 83 days of uptime |
| 04:37.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Or I can deploy a nasty stupid firewall workaround for what is likely a kernel bug |
| 04:38.17 | kd3 | kernel bugs? gasp |
| 04:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | my v6 firewall rule to accept any established connection inbound isn't registering ANYTHING |
| 04:38.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Which breaks DNS resolution quite nicely |
| 04:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, I'm running the latest kernel |
| 04:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | blah |
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| 04:55.25 | Shirik|AFK | damn |
| 04:55.29 | Shirik|AFK | Windows 7's battery life is impressive |
| 04:55.39 | Shirik|AFK | Currently says 50 minutes with 30% remaining |
| 04:55.58 | Shirik|AFK | When I used to get 1:30 - 2 hours in this mode |
| 04:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | my linux laptop pulled 7.5 hours with a full charge =] |
| 04:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | more than the manufacturer rates it at =] |
| 04:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | also, Shirik|AFK, you broke the SVN server |
| 04:57.15 | Shirik|AFK | how :( |
| 04:57.16 | Shirik|AFK | oh |
| 04:57.18 | Shirik|AFK | the upgrades, crap |
| 04:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 04:57.22 | Shirik|AFK | sry :( |
| 04:57.25 | Shirik|AFK | what's wrong? |
| 04:57.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm quite sure that's what it was |
| 04:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing good |
| 04:57.42 | ScytheBlade1 | svn: Failed to load module for FS type 'fsfs' |
| 04:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a server side message, I'm quite sure |
| 04:57.50 | Shirik|AFK | Failed to load module for FS type 'fsfs' |
| 04:57.51 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 04:58.22 | Shirik|AFK | It's probably the dso change I had to make |
| 04:58.26 | Shirik|AFK | running revdep-rebuild to see if that helps |
| 04:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It very likely is |
| 04:59.56 | Shirik|AFK | so I've been thinking about this |
| 05:00.00 | Shirik|AFK | and for once, I agree with Microsoft |
| 05:00.10 | Shirik|AFK | \r\n is far better for an endline than \n |
| 05:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... |
| 05:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | *stab* |
| 05:00.28 | Shirik|AFK | because let's look at it this way |
| 05:00.34 | Shirik|AFK | apps use \r all the time to go back to the beginning of the line |
| 05:00.45 | Shirik|AFK | so obviously that's its purpose |
| 05:00.52 | Shirik|AFK | why should \n do anything more than go to the next line? |
| 05:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, yes it is |
| 05:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | This is one of those times when I pat you on the head, nod, and ignore what you just said |
| 05:01.19 | Shirik|AFK | when \r\n will do what you would see in a typewriter |
| 05:01.30 | Shirik|AFK | "ding" next line, go to beginning |
| 05:01.36 | Shirik|AFK | though that would be \n\r |
| 05:01.40 | Shirik|AFK | but same difference |
| 05:02.28 | Shirik|AFK | YOU CANNOT AVOID IT, MICROSOFT WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD |
| 05:02.32 | Shirik|AFK | EMBRACE \r\n NOW |
| 05:02.59 | Shirik|AFK | let's invent a new standard |
| 05:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | s/just said/just said and will continue talking about/ |
| 05:03.08 | Shirik|AFK | like \1 |
| 05:03.13 | NightHawkTheSane | makes a phone call to some nice men in white uniforms |
| 05:03.16 | Shirik|AFK | That way, whenever an editor that doesn't support it comes along |
| 05:03.21 | Shirik|AFK | you get a bunch of smilies instead of newlines |
| 05:03.27 | Shirik|AFK | so it's like it's laughing at you |
| 05:04.05 | Shirik|AFK | hm, revdep-rebuild didn't find anything wrong |
| 05:06.03 | Shirik|AFK | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:06.04 | Shirik|AFK | fixed it |
| 05:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 05:06.08 | Shirik|AFK | just needed to restart svnserve |
| 05:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure enough |
| 05:06.24 | ScytheBlade1 | wow we have changes |
| 05:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hates on the log command requiring network access |
| 05:07.23 | Shirik|AFK | how else is it supposed to work? |
| 05:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | By not sucking |
| 05:07.37 | Shirik|AFK | by being git? |
| 05:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (It sucks pretty hard right now) |
| 05:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't say that, I just said... it could be improved |
| 05:08.01 | Shirik|AFK | git's logs must be worse |
| 05:08.06 | Shirik|AFK | I don't even know how the hell you can track that |
| 05:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | why? |
| 05:08.19 | Shirik|AFK | because, you have no knowledge of what's going on with the rest of the system |
| 05:08.27 | Shirik|AFK | if someone makes a change in another branch |
| 05:08.36 | Shirik|AFK | it's like "oh cool BUT I AIN'T TELLIN YOU NANANANA" |
| 05:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I can totally see why you can't bend your mind around git now |
| 05:09.19 | Shirik|AFK | because I don't understand it? |
| 05:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 05:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:09.25 | Shirik|AFK | Or because I think it's fundamentally flawed |
| 05:09.39 | Shirik|AFK | I'm a strong believer in process, and I feel that git undermines software process |
| 05:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://git-scm.com/ |
| 05:10.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Note the projects listed there :P |
| 05:10.26 | Shirik|AFK | before I go there, I'm going to say "kernel? no shit" |
| 05:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | If it really destroyed process like that, something tells me they wouldn't be using it |
| 05:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | not just that |
| 05:10.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i find it hard to believe that a tool can undermine process. merely how the tool is used. |
| 05:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 |
| 05:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | you could probably fuck up a process pretty good with svn just as well. |
| 05:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | s/6// |
| 05:11.01 | Shirik|AFK | sure, but I feel that svn supports process |
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| 05:11.16 | Shirik|AFK | git, on the other hand, does not support it, you simply structure around git |
| 05:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | as opposed to structuring around svn? |
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| 05:11.57 | Shirik|AFK | the majority of true software processes already work with a managerial type of process |
| 05:11.57 | NightHawkTheSane | probably only because the processes you use/are familiar with, are designed closer to the way svn works. if the process is designed to take advantage of git's... features, its not really a problem |
| 05:12.11 | Shirik|AFK | and subversion acts in that manner - you have a "manager" that being the central node |
| 05:12.15 | Shirik|AFK | where everything is submitted |
| 05:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ... hey, kind of like every project listed on that page! |
| 05:12.34 | Shirik|AFK | uh |
| 05:12.35 | Shirik|AFK | not really |
| 05:12.36 | ScytheBlade1 | and every git project I know of! |
| 05:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | yes really |
| 05:12.51 | Shirik|AFK | android is the only project that stood out at me |
| 05:13.55 | Shirik|AFK | the others I'm willing to consider mostly hacks. That's not to say they're bad systems, because they're not, however there is one flaw in most open source projects: lack of direct tracability |
| 05:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | there is a kernel.git, wine.git, samba.git, primary git projects for every X.org module, vlc.git |
| 05:14.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah you can do that pretty trivially with git. in fact in some ways it's easier |
| 05:14.22 | Shirik|AFK | that is, requirements, design, implementation, test, |
| 05:14.22 | Shirik|AFK | you can also do a lot out of process, ZorbaTHut |
| 05:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | All of which are no different than a central SVN repo in terms of management |
| 05:14.22 | Shirik|AFK | and there is a lot you can't do out of process with SVN |
| 05:14.36 | ZorbaTHut | I've been running QH that way, and every once in a while I grab all the changes from smariot's translator repo, distill it down to one changelist, and merge it in |
| 05:15.01 | Shirik|AFK | for example, if I wanted to enforce that ScytheBlade1 always has 100% code coverage, it would be trivial to do in SVN |
| 05:15.09 | ScytheBlade1 | define code coverage |
| 05:15.12 | Shirik|AFK | uh |
| 05:15.15 | Shirik|AFK | ~wiki code coverage |
| 05:15.34 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see why that would be any harder to do in git |
| 05:15.40 | ScytheBlade1 | me either |
| 05:15.46 | Shirik|AFK | because you can't enforce that someone always "commits" with 100% code coverage |
| 05:16.00 | ZorbaTHut | why not? |
| 05:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | yes you can, and it is no different than svn |
| 05:16.05 | Wobin | Have you guys seen PProvost's talk? |
| 05:16.12 | Shirik|AFK | you could have millions of intermediary revisions |
| 05:16.25 | Shirik|AFK | in svn, I can forcibly block any time you don't have 100% coverage |
| 05:16.26 | Shirik|AFK | easily |
| 05:16.42 | ZorbaTHut | so, either you don't allow that, or you don't allow pushing to the server without 100% coverage |
| 05:17.07 | Shirik|AFK | "don't allow that" |
| 05:17.09 | Shirik|AFK | what do you mean? |
| 05:17.12 | Wobin | http://media01.smartcom.no/Microsite/start.aspx?eventid=4519 |
| 05:17.15 | Wobin | watch that |
| 05:17.18 | ZorbaTHut | you can make commit hooks in git too |
| 05:17.19 | Shirik|AFK | and you can "push" in git? |
| 05:17.23 | Shirik|AFK | that's curious |
| 05:17.27 | ZorbaTHut | you just make the same hooks |
| 05:17.36 | ZorbaTHut | yes, you can. "git push" is like one of the most commonly used commands :P |
| 05:17.43 | Shirik|AFK | I thought everything was a pull |
| 05:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | push and pull both exist and work as you would expect them to |
| 05:18.14 | Shirik|AFK | In any case, here's the problem, you're defining only one part of the process with git |
| 05:18.20 | Shirik|AFK | and leaving everything else open to interpretation |
| 05:18.23 | ZorbaTHut | you pull from servers, you push to servers. you could also go become the server and pull from your own repo, but there's no real reason to do that. and of course there's many ways to trade things around without servers |
| 05:18.28 | Shirik|AFK | you can only block it at one level, right? |
| 05:18.35 | Shirik|AFK | For example, push to the server |
| 05:18.39 | Shirik|AFK | I can't block someone from pushing somewhere else |
| 05:18.42 | ZorbaTHut | honestly I think the problem here is that you don't understand git :P |
| 05:18.44 | ZorbaTHut | yes, that's true |
| 05:18.54 | Shirik|AFK | so that's a part of the process that's left undefined |
| 05:18.55 | ScytheBlade1 | as opposed to copying a file and working with it elsewhere? just like svn? |
| 05:18.59 | ZorbaTHut | same way you can't stop someone from duplicating your SVN contents and pushing untested stuff to it |
| 05:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:19.12 | ZorbaTHut | so what's the problem? |
| 05:19.19 | Shirik|AFK | that's a bit... off |
| 05:19.24 | Shirik|AFK | you would lose file history in that manner |
| 05:19.25 | ZorbaTHut | no, that's 100% equivalent |
| 05:19.29 | airtonix | linus uses git so there fore....not a duck |
| 05:19.33 | Shirik|AFK | it's literally completely separate |
| 05:19.34 | ZorbaTHut | no you wouldn't, you just duplicate the history from the server |
| 05:19.36 | ZorbaTHut | I've done that before |
| 05:19.40 | airtonix | VERY SMALL ROCKS!!! |
| 05:19.42 | Shirik|AFK | if you have access to the server |
| 05:19.42 | Shirik|AFK | sure |
| 05:19.47 | Shirik|AFK | if you don't, you ain't making that copy |
| 05:19.49 | ZorbaTHut | no, even without access to the server |
| 05:19.58 | Shirik|AFK | how do you plan to do that, to recreate every file revision? |
| 05:20.07 | Shirik|AFK | there is no "Svn duplicate server" command |
| 05:20.11 | ZorbaTHut | check out every version, check them into another repo :P |
| 05:20.13 | ZorbaTHut | as I said, I've done it before |
| 05:20.19 | Shirik|AFK | Yeah, try doing that with 40k versions |
| 05:20.24 | ScytheBlade1 | There ARE utilities that do it |
| 05:20.25 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I never said it would be fast :) |
| 05:20.36 | ZorbaTHut | the only difference is that git makes it easy |
| 05:20.39 | Shirik|AFK | ScytheBlade1: Either if you have access to the server, or if you're willing to wait a year |
| 05:20.45 | Shirik|AFK | And I don't like that it makes it easy |
| 05:20.46 | Shirik|AFK | that's the problem |
| 05:20.54 | ZorbaTHut | with Git, your local version is a second-class citizen. With SVN, your local version is a third-class citizen. |
| 05:20.55 | Shirik|AFK | I like well-defined process |
| 05:21.10 | ZorbaTHut | I don't really see how SVN's method is an improvement. Why does it make SVN better to have certain things *harder to do*? |
| 05:21.26 | Shirik|AFK | the same reason you have to have a manager sign off on a time sheet |
| 05:21.32 | Shirik|AFK | why can't you just sign it yourself? |
| 05:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | but, again, you can't check into the server without the server's permission |
| 05:21.49 | ZorbaTHut | yes, a manager should have to sign off on your time sheet |
| 05:21.58 | Shirik|AFK | Take this example |
| 05:22.03 | Shirik|AFK | where I work, we have a group called "doc control" |
| 05:22.04 | ZorbaTHut | but a manager shouldn't be required to write up a timesheet when you're playing Factoryworker with your daughter |
| 05:22.16 | Shirik|AFK | they specialize in taking word documents, etc., and making sure there is never an outdated version on anyone's computer |
| 05:22.19 | Shirik|AFK | even if you made a local copy |
| 05:22.31 | Shirik|AFK | there is a very good reason for that. Think you can figure out why? |
| 05:22.40 | ZorbaTHut | your company is a bunch of control freaks? :P |
| 05:22.43 | Shirik|AFK | Because outdated documentation can be an extremely bad (and dangerous) thing |
| 05:22.50 | Shirik|AFK | no, because we don't want planes crashing into the ground |
| 05:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Now tell me how svn enables that where as git detracts from that |
| 05:23.07 | ZorbaTHut | so what if someone needs to compare old docs to new docs? |
| 05:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | or rather, that possibility |
| 05:23.16 | Shirik|AFK | then they have to make a specific request to doc control |
| 05:23.18 | Shirik|AFK | put simply: it's not easy |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik|AFK | but there's a process for that |
| 05:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 05:23.29 | ZorbaTHut | man, I'm so glad I don't work anywhere near your business :P |
| 05:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | okay I give up |
| 05:23.39 | Shirik|AFK | But there is a very good reason for it |
| 05:23.41 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* you're right, git assumes the end users are competent |
| 05:23.41 | Shirik|AFK | do you not agree? |
| 05:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | not for the same reason as ZorbaTHut |
| 05:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: welcome to the party |
| 05:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | but I give up just the same |
| 05:23.49 | ZorbaTHut | if you can't make that assumption, git is perhaps not for you. |
| 05:23.55 | Nechckn | It depends on the situation- just like every other use of a specific software. |
| 05:24.11 | Shirik|AFK | ok so now that the git vs svn argument is over again |
| 05:24.15 | Shirik|AFK | let's go back to \r\n |
| 05:24.26 | NightHawkTheSane | wonders where those men in white suits are. |
| 05:24.30 | Shirik|AFK | p.s. svn allows me to enforce \r\n too muahaha |
| 05:24.36 | ZorbaTHut | git allows that as well :P |
| 05:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | p.s. git allows that as well |
| 05:24.43 | Shirik|AFK | I figured that |
| 05:24.54 | Shirik|AFK | Hey I found something really strange in my diff tool today |
| 05:24.57 | Shirik|AFK | apparently it understands C++ |
| 05:25.00 | ZorbaTHut | (although I can't imagine why you'd want it, besides "we do development on windows and our workers are too incompetent to deal with it") |
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| 05:25.13 | Shirik|AFK | I was confused when it highlighted this block of text |
| 05:25.18 | Shirik|AFK | but none of the text changed |
| 05:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | \r\n vs. \n |
| 05:25.29 | Shirik|AFK | after about 2 minutes I realized it was wrapped in /* ... */ |
| 05:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that |
| 05:25.38 | Shirik|AFK | was really surprising |
| 05:25.55 | Shirik|AFK | and no, we always use \r\n |
| 05:25.58 | Shirik|AFK | because we use cool systems |
| 05:26.50 | Shirik|AFK | p.s. mssql's syntax is very different from mysql |
| 05:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | very |
| 05:26.50 | Shirik|AFK | I kept running into issues :( |
| 05:26.50 | Shirik|AFK | eventually got it to work though so yay |
| 05:26.50 | kd3 | that's because it's an ms product. what do you expect? |
| 05:26.51 | kd3 | winces |
| 05:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: nah, it's just TSQL. |
| 05:27.32 | Shirik|AFK | it didn't help that wireshark was getting me all confused |
| 05:27.41 | Shirik|AFK | I'm trying to read these streams to reverse engineer queries |
| 05:27.46 | Shirik|AFK | and it's in UTF-16 |
| 05:28.00 | Shirik|AFK | so wireshark is putting in all these . for things it can't display, because it's trying to display as ASCII |
| 05:28.04 | Shirik|AFK | and in the middle is ACTUAL .s |
| 05:28.19 | Shirik|AFK | so I kept missing dots |
| 05:28.40 | Shirik|AFK | and being like "wtf does 'SELECT A B FROM C D E' mean |
| 05:29.06 | Shirik|AFK | when it's just something like "select a.b from c.d, e" |
| 05:29.21 | Shirik|AFK | wireshark really needs to support unicode |
| 05:30.01 | Shirik|AFK | I think ScytheBlade1 put me on ignore |
| 05:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I really should have earlier, but I didn't |
| 05:30.45 | Shirik|AFK | I might adjust my svn hook |
| 05:30.50 | Shirik|AFK | so that every time you commit |
| 05:30.53 | Shirik|AFK | it outputs "SVN > GIT" |
| 05:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:31.22 | Shirik|AFK | nah I'm not cynical |
| 05:31.26 | Shirik|AFK | you're allowed to have your own views |
| 05:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | phew :P |
| 05:31.58 | Shirik|AFK | I just won't let you live them down until either you convert to my ways or (unlikely) convert me |
| 05:32.21 | krka | svn is pretty crappy compared to git tbh |
| 05:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~krka++ |
| 05:32.29 | batrick | uh shirik |
| 05:32.38 | Shirik|AFK | tbh |
| 05:32.41 | Shirik|AFK | I hate linus |
| 05:32.42 | batrick | save the packet captures and view them in an editor of your choice! |
| 05:32.42 | krka | branching and merging in svn is a real pain |
| 05:32.44 | Shirik|AFK | so that's a good enough reason |
| 05:32.45 | krka | and offline commits |
| 05:33.00 | Shirik|AFK | why do people keep saying that |
| 05:33.05 | Shirik|AFK | I never have any trouble merging in svn |
| 05:33.14 | Shirik|AFK | and branching... if branching is a problem in svn you need to learn how to use a computer |
| 05:33.40 | krka | svn doesn't even have branches though, just copies |
| 05:33.55 | krka | and merging requires you to know the revision history manually |
| 05:34.04 | krka | imo, git does it better |
| 05:34.20 | Shirik|AFK | no it doesn't krka |
| 05:34.27 | Shirik|AFK | that's been in since like 1.5 |
| 05:34.27 | batrick | lolol |
| 05:34.40 | Shirik|AFK | it can figure out merge history on its own |
| 05:34.49 | Shirik|AFK | branch history*( |
| 05:34.54 | Nechckn | yeah... those functions are simple now |
| 05:35.02 | Shirik|AFK | Nechckn can use them |
| 05:35.05 | Shirik|AFK | it has to be easy |
| 05:35.08 | Nechckn | it used to be hard but that was quite a while ago |
| 05:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/gitk-kernel.png |
| 05:35.23 | krka | time for breakfast! |
| 05:35.23 | Nechckn | Indeed, Shiibot |
| 05:35.29 | Nechckn | Shirik, even... |
| 05:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | good luck doing that kind of merging with svn is all I'm saying |
| 05:35.58 | Shirik|AFK | get better configuration management |
| 05:36.30 | Shirik|AFK | I'm not saying git is bad for everything |
| 05:36.39 | Arrowmaster | execpt svn merging breaks if you ever do svn rename |
| 05:36.40 | Shirik|AFK | git is great for, say, the linux kernel where you have everyone and their dog making changes |
| 05:36.45 | Shirik|AFK | it's impossible to manage that |
| 05:36.51 | Shirik|AFK | Arrowmaster: That's also been corrected |
| 05:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | and yet it continues on... growing... almost as if it is managed properly! |
| 05:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | okay I'm really done now |
| 05:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:37.15 | ZorbaTHut | personally I've found git to be fantastic even for single-user things |
| 05:37.21 | Shirik|AFK | no, it's managed like an open souce project |
| 05:37.23 | Shirik|AFK | as it should be |
| 05:37.25 | Arrowmaster | now why the hell does this linux installer want to make an 18.4GB swap, that just seems unnecessary |
| 05:37.29 | Shirik|AFK | but in a corporation, that would never fly |
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| 05:37.35 | ZorbaTHut | I did some nice git magic to handle the QH 0.x->1.x changeover, all ultra-trivially |
| 05:37.49 | Shirik|AFK | Where's all the unit tests for the linux kernel? |
| 05:37.50 | Shirik|AFK | hmm? |
| 05:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | how many unit tests would there be? |
| 05:38.05 | Arrowmaster | git has unit tests |
| 05:38.07 | Shirik|AFK | enough to prove it works |
| 05:38.21 | Codayus | Pft, everyone knows mercurial is better than both SVN and git put together! |
| 05:38.25 | Shirik|AFK | or at least each piece that's committed works |
| 05:38.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Codayus++ |
| 05:38.38 | Conexion | Does anybody know of an easy way to look through the various BLP image files blizzard provides without having to convert each one to a PNG(etc)? |
| 05:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Codayus: Shirik|AFK would hate that for the same reasons he hates git |
| 05:38.45 | Shirik|AFK | here's a thought: If unit tests were a requirement to commit to the kernel, then a hell of a lot less people would actually commit to it |
| 05:38.57 | Shirik|AFK | why? because people don't want to make them |
| 05:39.03 | Shirik|AFK | they'd rather hack through code |
| 05:39.16 | Shirik|AFK | for the same reason, a management system like the one git allows is perfect for it |
| 05:39.35 | Arrowmaster | ever heard of git bisect? |
| 05:39.43 | Codayus | I missed the start of this lovely argument. What's the issue? A general "distributed source control is inappropriate for corporate environments due to lack of control?" |
| 05:39.43 | Nechckn | what OS, Conexion |
| 05:39.45 | Shirik|AFK | if it has the word "git" in it the answer is probably no |
| 05:39.48 | ZorbaTHut | I have to admit I really don't see where your fixation that "git = no serverside control" comes from |
| 05:39.51 | Shirik|AFK | no Codayus |
| 05:39.53 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, pretty much, yup |
| 05:39.57 | Codayus | Ha |
| 05:40.12 | Conexion | Nechckn: Windows XP |
| 05:40.16 | Shirik|AFK | well, lack of control part yes |
| 05:40.19 | ZorbaTHut | shirik thinks source should be ruled from a grand high commander resting upon a dictatorial throne of skulls |
| 05:40.31 | Shirik|AFK | you could say that |
| 05:40.31 | Nechckn | Paint.net has a lovely plug-in that works with BLPs |
| 05:40.37 | ZorbaTHut | (he looks sort of like the lich king, only less wimpy) |
| 05:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man. if we had greetserv here, I'd totally add that line to it. |
| 05:40.45 | Shirik|AFK | that would be awesome |
| 05:40.52 | Shirik|AFK | purl can do that |
| 05:40.53 | ScytheBlade1 | dictatorial throne of skulls |
| 05:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, but only kinda |
| 05:41.02 | Shirik|AFK | purl can greet people as they join |
| 05:41.07 | Conexion | Nechckn: Oh awesome, I'll check that out :) |
| 05:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | random greetserv is what I was thinking of |
| 05:41.20 | Nechckn | http://paint.net/ then search for BLP converter |
| 05:41.25 | Nechckn | It does it all internally |
| 05:41.33 | Nechckn | so no manual intervention |
| 05:41.39 | Nechckn | jsut click file, open |
| 05:41.50 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, yes, the lich king is a wimp too |
| 05:42.02 | Conexion | Very cool Nechckn :) Thanks! |
| 05:42.07 | Shirik|AFK | my priest could solo him |
| 05:42.08 | Shirik|AFK | totally |
| 05:42.13 | Nechckn | np, happy viewing, Conexion |
| 05:42.45 | Codayus | Hrm, I don't entirely understand the issue. Most of the examples I've heard as being a problem with distributed systems seem to be part of centralised ones too - and in any case more of a social/organisational issue, rather than a technical/tool issue. *shrug* |
| 05:42.52 | krka | also, i dislike that svn needs to run for online information for almost all operations. also that online data gathering is usually really slow for some reason (in my experience anyway) |
| 05:43.11 | Shirik|AFK | I really think that's a client issue that should be addressed |
| 05:43.20 | Shirik|AFK | in all honesty, it shouldn't need to |
| 05:43.28 | Shirik|AFK | but that's not a fault of the svn protocol |
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| 05:43.43 | ZorbaTHut | they should use a protocol that caches all that stuff locally |
| 05:43.45 | Shirik | there's nothing stopping a client from retaining log information, save for maybe the fact that there might be 40k revisions |
| 05:43.46 | ZorbaTHut | they could call it "git" |
| 05:43.48 | ZorbaTHut | ;) |
| 05:43.59 | Shirik | why would you put that information in the protocol |
| 05:44.07 | Shirik | that would be called "high coupling" |
| 05:44.15 | Shirik | of course, git thrives on high coupling |
| 05:44.17 | ZorbaTHut | I imagine you could make batch requests a lot more efficient. |
| 05:44.20 | Shirik | and uses it as its basis for success |
| 05:44.31 | Shirik | example: the link ScytheBlade1 showed |
| 05:44.47 | Shirik | whereas the obvious solution is to better control your developers so they aren't doing five million cross changes |
| 05:45.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "dictatorial throne of skulls" it is! |
| 05:45.52 | krka | also git supports several different centralization mechanisms. using it exactly like svn is trivial, but you can also have other setups |
| 05:46.02 | Shirik | and I find that to be a problem |
| 05:46.07 | Shirik | but perhaps that's where you and I differe |
| 05:46.12 | Shirik | I have a problem with git's flexibility |
| 05:46.14 | krka | bzr seems nice too, fairly similar to git |
| 05:46.30 | Shirik | there is such a thing as being "too agile" |
| 05:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik isn't happy unless the world is crunching under his iron fist rule. |
| 05:46.41 | krka | it's _optional_ |
| 05:46.49 | Shirik | sure |
| 05:47.10 | Shirik | problem with optional things: Makes people want to use them |
| 05:47.11 | krka | "I don't like this car, the stereo is removable! I want it glued on tight so i never have to worry about upgrading it" |
| 05:47.52 | Shirik | Take, for example, the ?: operator |
| 05:48.01 | Shirik | how many people in here can honestly say they've never used it just because they could |
| 05:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | erm. me. |
| 05:48.25 | krka | me too |
| 05:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I use it in cases where I feel it makes sense |
| 05:48.28 | Shirik | ok well you suck |
| 05:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | erm.. "just because i could"? me.. probably |
| 05:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | But something tells me you'd argue that point |
| 05:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And what qualifies as "making sense" |
| 05:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'd give up |
| 05:48.48 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, i generally expand out to an actual if/else statement unless the brevity is worth it |
| 05:48.49 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I can say that too |
| 05:48.57 | Shirik | you all lie! |
| 05:49.10 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, unless I was doing something for fun where the sole purpose was brevity |
| 05:49.11 | krka | really? |
| 05:49.12 | Torhal | Additionally, "Foof!" |
| 05:49.33 | Shirik | well, in any case, optional features tend to make people want to use them |
| 05:49.48 | Codayus | From a certain point of view, a ternary never makes sense, because it can always be done in a more "familiar" way with an if/else block. But you could say the same thing about a switch statement... |
| 05:49.54 | ZorbaTHut | I will admit that I've used a lot more git features than I ever expected I would |
| 05:49.55 | krka | i have code like this in Kahlua: |
| 05:49.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: but even then its not "just because you can", it has a purpose :P |
| 05:49.56 | krka | return littleEndian ? rev(bits) : bits; |
| 05:49.57 | Shirik | so simply saying "don't use <xx optional feature> is fairly difficult" |
| 05:50.01 | ZorbaTHut | but that's because they ended up being useful :P |
| 05:50.11 | krka | and return b ? Boolean.TRUE : Boolean.FALSE; |
| 05:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: I'd say that's a great useage of it |
| 05:50.20 | Shirik | yes. tjat |
| 05:50.21 | Shirik | s wjat ot |
| 05:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: er, rather, your former example |
| 05:50.24 | Shirik | sigh |
| 05:50.27 | Shirik | that's what it's for |
| 05:50.28 | ScytheBlade1 | that second one makes me WTF |
| 05:50.38 | ZorbaTHut | IMHO, there's only one place where a company has business restricting what people do with source: released versions and the offiicial source control |
| 05:50.45 | ZorbaTHut | (obviously not counting things like "sell it to competitors") |
| 05:50.50 | Codayus | Or "foo += 5" versus "foo = foo + 5", for languages that have those operators. It's optional, but it's also useful. |
| 05:51.12 | Shirik | I hate += 5 |
| 05:51.13 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, hell, at Google I had a friend who built an entire new build system because he was tired of Google's |
| 05:51.16 | Shirik | I hate ++, actually |
| 05:51.21 | ZorbaTHut | so, ridiculously nonstandard, but worked pretty dang well |
| 05:51.22 | Shirik | that doesn't mean I don't use it, but I hate it |
| 05:51.22 | krka | google has a build system? |
| 05:51.36 | krka | I hate C++, actually |
| 05:51.39 | ZorbaTHut | krka, doesn't any company of size have some kind of a build system? often layered on other things, of course |
| 05:51.53 | Shirik | The whole ++ concept is a problem because it teaches programmers the wrong thing early on |
| 05:51.56 | ZorbaTHut | I mean sheesh I have a build system for my projects (layered on scons) |
| 05:52.06 | Codayus | Anyhow, I think it's be hard to enforce a "don't use += rule", but if you set up a mercurial repository, designate it as the trunk, and begin a centralised development process, is there anything to even enforce? |
| 05:52.07 | Shirik | too many people think "oh, it increments the variable!" |
| 05:52.16 | Shirik | when they should think "it reads it, adds one, then writes it" |
| 05:52.24 | Shirik | and therein lies the problem in multithreading today |
| 05:52.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Too many people are dumb, too. |
| 05:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Complaining about that gets old. |
| 05:52.53 | krka | don't some processors support incr natively? |
| 05:53.19 | Shirik | yes, but not all. Though, interestingly, C# actually guarantees access of volatile variables is atomic for ints |
| 05:53.23 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, x86 systems make it atomic |
| 05:53.27 | Shirik | only ++ |
| 05:53.39 | Shirik | and -- |
| 05:53.42 | krka | anyway, the problem with multithreading is using shared memory at all |
| 05:53.47 | ZorbaTHut | although I'm going to go out on a limb here and claim that if the ++ is a source of race conditions, then merely making the ++ atomic is *almost guaranteed* to not fix all the race conditions |
| 05:53.51 | bleeter | haha http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/ is up again, wonder how many years before it gets taken down and then pops up somewhere else |
| 05:53.59 | Shirik | oh I totally agree |
| 05:54.03 | bleeter | some days I think oreilly should just give the hell up |
| 05:54.04 | Shirik | I just thought it was curious that they guarnateed that |
| 05:54.09 | Shirik | it seemed dangerous to me |
| 05:54.19 | Shirik | Anyway, krka, really, I think the problem with multithreading is the lack of support in the language |
| 05:54.22 | ZorbaTHut | unless you're pulling serious near-assembly-level black magic, doing multiprocessing without explicit mutexes is a really bad idea |
| 05:54.27 | Shirik | Java touches on this |
| 05:54.55 | ZorbaTHut | the problem with multithreading is that multithreading is intrinsically very hard. the only solutions are either errorprone or heavily abstracted, with the latter frequently resulting in substandard performance |
| 05:55.02 | Shirik | I wrote some driver code that used an interlocked exchange once |
| 05:55.05 | Shirik | that hurt my head |
| 05:55.11 | ZorbaTHut | and if you're bothering with multithreading in the first place, performance is quite likely your goal. |
| 05:55.14 | Shirik | it's like a mutex, but written by hand |
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| 05:55.51 | Shirik | depends onw hat you mean by performance, really |
| 05:55.58 | krka | message passing system is much easier to write correct for than shared memory |
| 05:56.04 | Shirik | so true |
| 05:56.05 | krka | hazelcast seems nice for that |
| 05:56.08 | Shirik | and that's one of the reason I LOVE QNX |
| 05:56.12 | krka | though i haven't really tried it yet |
| 05:56.15 | Shirik | QNX is built upon message passing |
| 05:56.19 | Shirik | and it's a brilliant system |
| 05:56.26 | bleeter | i'd rather see dynamic parralllelll OoO execution, myself |
| 05:56.31 | Shirik | I was actually able to make an autonomous robot with zero shared memory |
| 05:56.38 | Shirik | everything was actually a single-threaded process |
| 05:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, well, you also think that perforce is a brilliant source control system |
| 05:56.45 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, "I have a CPU that it is not using and I want it to use that CPU", usually. Occasionally it's used as a substitute for coroutines/fibers. |
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| 05:56.56 | Shirik | and so what I did was have IPC using message passing |
| 05:57.05 | Wobin | http://www.buzzfeed.com/gustavoa/doomed-relationship-chart-4bf/ |
| 05:57.07 | Shirik | and it was great |
| 05:57.29 | bleeter | mutex and ipc and shit is so 1980's yawn |
| 05:57.39 | bleeter | when will kids of today grow up? :P |
| 05:57.52 | Shirik | What do we talk about today? |
| 05:57.55 | ZorbaTHut | man, I used perforce for a while |
| 05:58.01 | Shirik | All you people in the 1980s took everything |
| 05:58.03 | ZorbaTHut | it was technically adequate. |
| 05:58.06 | Shirik | wtf are we supposed to invent now |
| 05:58.17 | bleeter | TLS/SpMT stuffs |
| 05:58.18 | Shirik | all we have left is proving NP completeness |
| 05:58.31 | bleeter | been well written since mid to late 90's.. get on with it ffs |
| 05:58.49 | Shirik | like seriously, there's no cool stuff left, except maybe AI |
| 05:58.53 | Shirik | but even AI is kinda mature |
| 05:59.17 | Shirik | However, there is one thing I want to do |
| 05:59.17 | bleeter | Shirik: you saying that TLS/SpMT won't work, or is pointless? |
| 05:59.33 | bleeter | on die, that is |
| 05:59.40 | Shirik | no, but I'm going to assume I don't know what that is, because my understanding is that TLS is already invented |
| 05:59.57 | bleeter | theory, yes.. no one's implemented it yet |
| 06:00.10 | Shirik | Well there's certainly tons of implementations of it in my world |
| 06:00.13 | bleeter | so there's the stuff to invent, the implementation.. sure Sun say that Rock will do it.. but... ;) |
| 06:00.16 | Shirik | so we're obviously talking about two different TLSes |
| 06:00.25 | krka | TLS? |
| 06:00.31 | bleeter | thread level speculation |
| 06:00.40 | Shirik | transport layer security |
| 06:00.42 | bleeter | speculative multithreading stuff |
| 06:01.05 | Shirik | speculative? |
| 06:01.26 | Shirik | but see, that's more computer engineering than software engineering |
| 06:01.32 | Shirik | I'm really talking about the computer science part of things |
| 06:01.35 | Shirik | what can be invented in software |
| 06:02.11 | Shirik | I'm of the opinion that software is in fact so mature right now, a lot of programmers actually have no clue what they're doing right now, allowing the language to instead hold their hand to get them through it |
| 06:02.26 | bleeter | you're wrong |
| 06:02.41 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 06:02.56 | Shirik | I mean obviously there's the people that invent the languages, etc., so those people have to be brilliant |
| 06:03.00 | ZorbaTHut | programming is no longer about making computers do things |
| 06:03.05 | Shirik | not only knowing what they're doing, but also how to cope with everyone else doing things wrong |
| 06:03.18 | Shirik | such as the cool bug I found in the VC++ compiler |
| 06:03.22 | Shirik | that causes the compiler to crash |
| 06:03.24 | ZorbaTHut | programming is now about making useful things occur |
| 06:03.29 | ZorbaTHut | generally, on computers. |
| 06:03.29 | Shirik | because they weren't smart enough to expect my stupidity |
| 06:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | computers are a means, not an end. |
| 06:03.44 | bleeter | ok, well if you're going to use the 'oh I didn't mean the platform as a whole, just the software' and use a get out of jail card because there's a whole area of computing waiting on the hardware to be ironed |
| 06:04.00 | Kraps | http://www.amazon.com/The-Mountain-Three-Wolf-T-Shirt/dp/B000NZW3K2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1247581625&sr=8-1 |
| 06:04.02 | bleeter | which will demand new programming techniques when the iron's finally fabbed and on the shelf, etc. |
| 06:04.03 | Kraps | wat |
| 06:04.08 | Shirik | bleeter: I was specifically addressing computer science. I believe computer engineers are brilliant |
| 06:04.14 | Shirik | especially the ones out there right now |
| 06:04.15 | bleeter | we could prolly talk about bioligical computing |
| 06:04.20 | Shirik | look at memristors |
| 06:04.25 | Shirik | there's some technology that's going to go through the roof |
| 06:04.41 | Shirik | However, I feel that developers really don't know much about what they're doing right now |
| 06:04.43 | bleeter | organic |
| 06:04.52 | Shirik | and I feel that computer science is at a standstill |
| 06:05.03 | Shirik | note that computer engineering is not computer science, at least not in my mind |
| 06:05.08 | bleeter | the whole neuroplasticity stuff things |
| 06:05.28 | Shirik | wtb quantum computing |
| 06:05.38 | bleeter | Shirik: that too, will demand new programming techniques |
| 06:05.39 | Shirik | wtb world where bogosort is more efficient than quicksort |
| 06:05.48 | Shirik | that would be so awesome |
| 06:06.01 | Shirik | "I need to sort this array" "Ok well just randomize it and it will be sorted" |
| 06:06.20 | bleeter | serisously, though.. what you're saying is no different to each and every other technological revolution 'oh there's nothing else to do in'.. say woodworking, car manufacturing, house design.. 'it's all been done before' |
| 06:06.29 | bleeter | continually gets proven to be WRONG |
| 06:06.43 | Shirik | Well you're referencing computer engineering, which I totally agree with |
| 06:06.50 | bleeter | I suspect you hit the nail yourself with quantum computing |
| 06:06.55 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think computer science is at a standstill, but I do feel like computer science is a very odd intersection of theory and practice that does not exist in any other major science |
| 06:07.10 | ZorbaTHut | and that its behavior is kind of inevitable when you see that. in CS, everything is new until it's done once, and then it's solved. |
| 06:07.20 | bleeter | will be as different to current computing as steam power was to nuclear reactions |
| 06:07.38 | Shirik | unfortunately, that relies on technology getting there first |
| 06:07.40 | bleeter | " in CS, everything is new until it's done once, and then it's solved" << dude, that's life |
| 06:07.53 | ZorbaTHut | the end result being that there's two main branches - the people who are trying to do truly new things, and the people who are trying to take existing things and cobble them together |
| 06:07.57 | Shirik | it seems like that means CS will always be one step behind |
| 06:08.06 | Shirik | people have to develop hardware and then go to the CS guys and go "here, make this do something" |
| 06:08.09 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, disagree. look at construction: you can build the same house a hundred times over and not be done |
| 06:08.31 | ZorbaTHut | look at math: you come up with a clever proof once, and then you never have to touch it again |
| 06:08.35 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: you're seriously suggesting that the houses we build in the west today, are the same as the houses built 1000 years ago? |
| 06:08.44 | ZorbaTHut | look at cs: you write a bit of code once, and then . . . well, you're going to be using it over and over in modified forms |
| 06:08.45 | Shirik | dude, they are |
| 06:08.47 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: clever proof, until shown to be wrong |
| 06:08.49 | Shirik | I live in a pyramid |
| 06:08.50 | Shirik | don't you? |
| 06:09.00 | Shirik | pyramids are awesome |
| 06:09.15 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, no, when did I say that? I *am* saying that, by and large, house construction is a matter of "follow the plans, they've always worked before" |
| 06:09.34 | ZorbaTHut | whereas that sort of thing in the CS world would be responded to with "why haven't you just made it a library yet" |
| 06:09.51 | bleeter | Shirik: if you seriously think it's the same, go save some money and live in a cave. a real cave, not some metaphysical one. |
| 06:10.20 | ZorbaTHut | coding is weird because the majority of coding is building *slightly different* houses, based on known practices. there's not a whole lot else out there like that. it's neither assemblyline nor research. |
| 06:10.25 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: until such time as the plans are describing materials to be used that are no longer manufactured |
| 06:10.38 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: I'd like to see you build a house from plans that had asbestos throughout |
| 06:10.45 | ZorbaTHut | yes, once in a while someone has to make new plans |
| 06:10.59 | Shirik | Totally off-topic |
| 06:11.02 | ZorbaTHut | I will claim without fear of contradiction that the vast majority of housebuilders have not had to worry about that. |
| 06:11.03 | Shirik | Is a 3ct diamond big? |
| 06:11.27 | Nechckn | no "big", no |
| 06:11.47 | Shirik | how about for $5 :) |
| 06:12.11 | Nechckn | That is the usual engagement ring size.. and no, it's not definitive, but from a jeweler friend, that's it. |
| 06:12.27 | Nechckn | for five bucks... get all you can! |
| 06:12.35 | Shirik | was reading on the news |
| 06:12.35 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: JHI have a bunch of lawsuits and stuff that says different |
| 06:12.49 | Shirik | there's this place you can go to around here where it's like a diamond mine I guess |
| 06:12.57 | Shirik | you pay $5 to get in and take anything you find |
| 06:13.04 | Shirik | and someone found a 3ct diamond |
| 06:13.07 | Nechckn | Ahhh... yeah, I've heard of that |
| 06:13.17 | bleeter | (insert chesterton quote about youth, here) |
| 06:13.20 | Nechckn | and, yeah, that would be one heck of a five bucks! |
| 06:13.46 | Codayus | Bet the place will be swarmed now. |
| 06:14.11 | Shirik | I have no idea how common that is |
| 06:14.14 | Shirik | I would imagine not very |
| 06:14.16 | Nechckn | Plus it depends if that is the raw size or after it was cut |
| 06:14.50 | Corrodias | true, an uncut gemstone is not worth much |
| 06:15.02 | Shirik | why do we have to cut them |
| 06:15.17 | Corrodias | because otherwise people won't waste money on them. they're not pretty enough. |
| 06:15.18 | Shirik | I mean, in wow, usually the uncut ones are more expensive |
| 06:15.29 | Nechckn | heheh |
| 06:15.30 | Shirik | obviously in the real world the cut ones are easy to find and uncut ones are not |
| 06:15.36 | Shirik | look in stores |
| 06:15.40 | Shirik | do you ever see any uncut ones? |
| 06:15.42 | Shirik | no |
| 06:15.45 | Shirik | obviously they must be rare |
| 06:16.19 | Nechckn | It's all thanks to our friends at De Beers |
| 06:16.32 | Shirik | who? |
| 06:16.48 | Nechckn | They control the diamond industry |
| 06:16.52 | Nechckn | sort of like OPEC |
| 06:17.01 | Nechckn | does with oil, only much, much worse. |
| 06:17.36 | Shirik | yeah it seems like diamonds are way overpriced |
| 06:17.49 | Shirik | gold too, really |
| 06:17.54 | bleeter | bwhahahaha |
| 06:17.59 | Shirik | I really have a problem understanding this |
| 06:18.05 | Shirik | because you see gold and diamonds everywhere |
| 06:18.10 | Shirik | yet they're still extremely expensive |
| 06:18.19 | Shirik | and the two do not work together well in my mind |
| 06:18.32 | Corrodias | but you'd better get married and buy a big, shiny diamond for the poor, unemployed woman so she'll stay in the kitchen and make you food and babies |
| 06:18.41 | bleeter | Shirik: um, economics 101. things are (generally) worth what people are prepared to pay. end of story. |
| 06:18.49 | Nechckn | because, when it comes to the glitz, it's all about being a sheeple and buying the crap. |
| 06:18.53 | Corrodias | there's no competition |
| 06:18.59 | Shirik | gas is the exact opposite to me |
| 06:19.03 | Shirik | people say gas is expensive |
| 06:19.06 | Shirik | I say gas is cheap |
| 06:19.08 | Elkano | passes around free pieces of cake for everyone :) |
| 06:19.08 | bleeter | 102. refinement of (generally) clause - monopolies, market manipulation, corruption |
| 06:19.12 | Shirik | what's stopping people from raising gas prices |
| 06:19.18 | Shirik | why is it not more expensive |
| 06:19.19 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, competition |
| 06:19.23 | Shirik | god knows we can't stop driving everywhere |
| 06:19.24 | Nechckn | Mmmmm... give tastey Elk cake, please. |
| 06:19.43 | bleeter | Shirik: government corruption, mainly |
| 06:19.45 | Corrodias | OPEC occasionally gets their shit together and raises prices, but to some extent that does strain relations with the countries they export to |
| 06:19.46 | Shirik | It doesn't seem to me like there's that much competition -- like where I live, there's one gas station |
| 06:19.47 | bleeter | see lesson 102 |
| 06:19.53 | Corrodias | but the diamong industry doesn't have to worry about losing customers |
| 06:19.54 | Shirik | why don't they drive their prices way up |
| 06:19.55 | Corrodias | *diamond |
| 06:20.00 | Nechckn | Shirik That's the whole reason why gas was up 4-500 percent |
| 06:20.07 | ZorbaTHut | because building a new gas station isn't really all that expensive |
| 06:20.08 | Nechckn | because it could be |
| 06:20.22 | Corrodias | i don't know, Shirik. you should totally recommend it to them. |
| 06:20.25 | bleeter | petroleum prices in the US are still disgustingly cheap by world standards, even when it goes up and you all QQ =)) |
| 06:20.33 | Nechckn | People cried, but still bought the crap |
| 06:20.38 | Shirik | exactly |
| 06:20.40 | Shirik | people still have to buy it |
| 06:20.43 | Nechckn | bleeter yepper |
| 06:20.43 | Shirik | you can't avoid it |
| 06:20.51 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, only 'cause you guys pay ridiculous taxes ;) |
| 06:20.54 | Corrodias | they do reduce consumption |
| 06:20.55 | bleeter | and China still ended up owning most of your credit card debt lolol |
| 06:21.07 | Corrodias | by a small amount |
| 06:21.12 | Shirik | you know what's amusing |
| 06:21.17 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: well if we didn't have rediculous taxes, we wouldn't have the roads now, would we? |
| 06:21.25 | Nechckn | China owns nearly everyone at this point.. they don't need to invade crap. |
| 06:21.27 | Shirik | I can pay a $.50 toll to go to Oregon and still pay less for gass than in WA |
| 06:21.40 | Shirik | including toll fare |
| 06:21.42 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: you try building a bunch of roads across the US with a tax paying population of 10m or less, see how far you get |
| 06:21.42 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, you could charge taxes on other things |
| 06:21.51 | ZorbaTHut | also, the US is much larger than other countries |
| 06:21.56 | bleeter | ... |
| 06:21.58 | ZorbaTHut | the important metric here is population density, not sheer population |
| 06:22.13 | ZorbaTHut | (i don't know what country you're in, so I can't compare easily) |
| 06:22.13 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: I'm in Australia |
| 06:22.22 | bleeter | yes, I just realised you clearly have 0 idea |
| 06:22.25 | Shirik | I wish we all would just get nuclear reactors for our cars |
| 06:22.27 | ZorbaTHut | well, you could build roads across the civilized parts pretty cheaply ;) |
| 06:22.31 | Shirik | This serves two purposes |
| 06:22.32 | Elkano | Nechckn, but don't eat my candles ^^ |
| 06:22.36 | Shirik | 1) Eliminates the need for oil |
| 06:22.37 | bleeter | oh really... hahaha |
| 06:22.37 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, you've got some nice big desert in the middle |
| 06:22.44 | Shirik | 2) Destroys all the stupid people |
| 06:22.47 | Nechckn | Elkano is it your birthday? |
| 06:22.57 | Corrodias | anyway, diamonds suck. BREAK THE FUCKING TRADITION. |
| 06:23.09 | Elkano | yeah, getting old :/ |
| 06:23.11 | Shirik | I saw this one gemstone that's really pretty |
| 06:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: agitated at the price, eh |
| 06:23.14 | Shirik | it's like blue |
| 06:23.16 | Shirik | light blue |
| 06:23.20 | Shirik | and fairly cheap, but rare |
| 06:23.22 | Nechckn | Elkano Well, then, Many Happy Returns! |
| 06:23.27 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: so you're in favour of.. say.. taxing milk drinkers... so those people who drive can have cheap fuel? yup, I can see fairness in that. |
| 06:23.27 | Corrodias | yes, but more agitated at the entire tradition |
| 06:23.44 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 06:23.46 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, in the US, they decided that a large road network was valuable for more than just car drivers |
| 06:23.56 | bleeter | fairly typical response from a country that started off with the whole 'no taxation without representation' and got severely lost on the way |
| 06:24.03 | ZorbaTHut | the original rationale was defense, meaning that taxing anyone defended by the US army to build the road network was reasonable |
| 06:24.19 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: yup, and now look at the pollution problems, transportation problems, bailout of car industries, etc. etc. |
| 06:24.22 | ZorbaTHut | you could also make quite a good argument that it improves commerce, meaning that anyone who's helped by commerce - again, everyone - is a reasonable person to pay |
| 06:24.24 | Corrodias | go to church, get married to an opposite sex partner, male spends a lot of money buying a shiny for the female, then male goes to work and woman cleans the house and populates it with two children. don't forget the family pet. |
| 06:24.41 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* the bailout was awful. honestly, I don't see polllution problems anywhere except in major cities, which is unrelated to highway issues |
| 06:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap, my hard drives are awesome. Writing at 90MB/sec |
| 06:24.55 | Shirik | Must be nice to be a female |
| 06:25.09 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: don't *see*... well I don't see child slavery every day, doesn't mean it's right to support it |
| 06:25.23 | Corrodias | get a job, be socially independent, bug men to buy you shinies |
| 06:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: liar |
| 06:25.27 | ZorbaTHut | you know who didn't build a nationwide highway system? |
| 06:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ;P |
| 06:25.28 | ZorbaTHut | HITLER |
| 06:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 06:25.41 | ZorbaTHut | goes back to playing WoW :P |
| 06:25.50 | Elkano | Corrodias, that almost sounds like the married male wasn't involved in populating the house with children ;) |
| 06:26.17 | Shirik | so like |
| 06:26.21 | Corrodias | he probably wasn't. he's at work so much that the female has gone out to be populated by someone else. |
| 06:26.22 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: a truly stunning godwin moment, sir. i thank you for displaying such foolish arguments. |
| 06:26.24 | Shirik | Wikipedia has the ability to permanently remove a revision |
| 06:26.30 | Shirik | surprising |
| 06:26.35 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, just following your lead |
| 06:26.46 | Shirik | guess what doesn't allow that |
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| 06:26.47 | Shirik | svn |
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| 06:26.55 | Corrodias | marriage falls apart, so they get a divource, split custody of the children, and think "yay tradition, my life ROCKS!" |
| 06:27.05 | Shirik | split custody? |
| 06:27.09 | Shirik | no, the female gets custody |
| 06:27.15 | Shirik | along with all the money that the male made |
| 06:27.16 | bleeter | you can lead a horticulture, but you can't make it think |
| 06:27.23 | Nechckn | That's the new tradition, isn't it?!?1 |
| 06:27.26 | Corrodias | oh yeah, because she's weak and dependent |
| 06:28.05 | Shirik | There is a severe amount of sexism in our world, tbh |
| 06:28.09 | Nechckn | when over half of all of them end before the participants die... I'd say that is the new tradition. |
| 06:28.11 | Shirik | but we all accept it as true |
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| 06:28.28 | bleeter | the white patriarchy survives well intact. |
| 06:28.39 | Shirik | but we should break the status quo |
| 06:28.41 | bleeter | the whole "raunch culture" thing makes me laugh/cry etc. |
| 06:28.41 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, except for some people, who want to change how the sexism is laid out |
| 06:28.43 | Shirik | because the status is NOT quo |
| 06:29.24 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:29.27 | Corrodias | i'll status YOUR quo |
| 06:29.27 | Shirik | I just got this great idea |
| 06:29.33 | bleeter | Shirik: more things change, more stay the same. we're still largely just a great ape society. look at the others. not much difference at all in many behaviours. |
| 06:29.49 | Shirik | So I've been thinking about dictionary-based compression schemes a lot lately |
| 06:30.01 | bleeter | we all happily admit we're rather stupid, then pretend we can outsmart outselves.. but we don't, really |
| 06:30.05 | Shirik | and how there might be a typical set of data used by large groups of people |
| 06:30.11 | Shirik | and I think |
| 06:30.20 | Shirik | what if females had one dictionary and males used another |
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| 06:30.28 | Shirik | because they tend to have different sets of data |
| 06:30.39 | Shirik | so we need to invent a way for a computer to detect the gender of the user |
| 06:30.44 | Shirik | to help with compression |
| 06:30.46 | Shirik | how can we do that |
| 06:30.48 | Shirik | go |
| 06:30.58 | bleeter | um, we do.. men use different language to establish the alpha male society structure, to that which women use to create their heirarchy |
| 06:31.12 | bleeter | or oh hang on I missed a previous sentence :P |
| 06:31.30 | Shirik | compression dictionary, not english :P |
| 06:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ipv4 is such a mess :( |
| 06:31.48 | Shirik | we should use ipv8 |
| 06:31.53 | bleeter | Shirik: gender detection falls apart with XXY, XYY, YYY and the other 'unusual' combinations |
| 06:32.04 | Shirik | every transistor in your computer gets an IP |
| 06:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I get random pings, port probes on 1433, 445 |
| 06:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | More than twice a minute |
| 06:32.44 | ScytheBlade1 | all day, every day |
| 06:32.55 | Shirik | bleeter: Well normally code might throw an exception at them in that case |
| 06:33.04 | Shirik | so, we could invent something IRL that throws something at them |
| 06:33.09 | Shirik | so that would be like throwing an exception |
| 06:33.17 | bleeter | Shirik: that's the thing with biological, though, there'll always (eventually) be some random mutation to cause the exception |
| 06:33.33 | Shirik | need to go back to Darwin's laws |
| 06:33.39 | bleeter | Shirik: so you'd need to invent code to detect and handle that, so you're heading off down AI/AL paths |
| 06:33.47 | Shirik | no screw that |
| 06:33.52 | Shirik | don't handle it |
| 06:33.54 | Shirik | just throw something at them |
| 06:34.00 | Shirik | all unhandled exceptions get thrown at the user |
| 06:34.11 | Shirik | preferably with something hard |
| 06:34.13 | Shirik | like a baseball |
| 06:34.19 | bleeter | yup, coz users are stupid |
| 06:34.21 | Shirik | that would be an awesome invention |
| 06:34.27 | Shirik | like Norton CrashGuard |
| 06:34.29 | Shirik | anyone remember that? |
| 06:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 06:34.50 | bleeter | we were talking the other day in ##australia about how we wanted disk arrays to spit failing disks out across the room |
| 06:34.51 | Shirik | it could be like CrashGuard and catch any unhandled exceptions, but then have a hardware component that wraps up that exception and throws it at the user |
| 06:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid product that had the exact opposite effect |
| 06:34.58 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 06:34.59 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:35.03 | Shirik | I might have to make one of those now |
| 06:35.10 | bleeter | someone said they'd seen some other guy get hit in the head by a flying CD from one of them pioneer slot loaders |
| 06:35.16 | Shirik | that is awesome |
| 06:35.20 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:35.25 | Shirik | I'm so going to make this now |
| 06:35.33 | bleeter | Shirik: did you see that thermite destruction video? |
| 06:35.42 | Shirik | maybe |
| 06:35.47 | bleeter | Shirik: http://hackaday.com/2008/09/16/how-to-thermite-based-hard-drive-anti-forensic-destruction/ |
| 06:35.56 | Aquavette2k1 | that thing is awesome |
| 06:36.05 | Shirik | yeah I've seen it |
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| 06:41.29 | Conexion | I have a frame where movable is set to true and self:StartMoving() is set in <OnDragStart> . . and the frame isn't moving. Am I forgetting something? |
| 06:43.22 | Shirik | does it accept mouse input? |
| 06:43.34 | Conexion | I have enableMouse="true" |
| 06:43.45 | Shirik | I don't use XML so I can't be much more help than that |
| 06:43.55 | Conexion | Do I need to register the left button? |
| 06:44.26 | Elkano | talking about security... http://asset.soup.io/asset/0384/8592_1a48.jpeg |
| 06:45.21 | Conexion | Oh, yup, that was it |
| 06:45.21 | Aqua | wow i love the video further down the page, This wonderful family car that has seen its better days, + its french! |
| 06:45.25 | Conexion | thanks for letting me talk it out! |
| 06:47.04 | Conexion | That's awesome Elkano lol |
| 06:51.19 | Conexion | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/?attachment_id=82288 |
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| 06:55.46 | Shirik | nice Elkano |
| 06:56.58 | Shirik | I... don't get that one Conexion |
| 06:56.59 | Shirik | sorry |
| 06:57.27 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/ati_troubleshooting.jpg |
| 06:57.40 | Conexion | Shirik, did you ever see The Dark Knight? |
| 06:57.46 | Shirik | no |
| 06:57.50 | Zyndrome | :C |
| 06:57.54 | Conexion | That's likely why :p |
| 06:58.37 | Zyndrome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KX3OriDpgg&fmt=18 |
| 06:58.41 | Zyndrome | thar it is |
| 07:00.29 | mikma | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=78506.0 <- that's awesome, eventho i don't have iphone |
| 07:01.14 | Bibi | yeah, suing a guy to remove an iphone app to release the same thing a year later. |
| 07:01.21 | _rane | mikma: yep |
| 07:01.29 | _rane | http://rane.kapsi.fi/wow/IMG_0009.PNG |
| 07:01.35 | _rane | http://rane.kapsi.fi/wow/IMG_0010.PNG |
| 07:02.11 | mikma | yarrrr, funland |
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| 07:11.36 | Conexion | Zyndrome: Thanks for posting the youtube link :) |
| 07:13.41 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:14.46 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB_JSdCjUUo#t=2m33s |
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| 07:17.08 | mikma | zyndrome: that trick takes alot of time to practice |
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| 07:19.14 | Aqua | stratholme, 460 runs, no mount sigh |
| 07:19.23 | mikma | :( |
| 07:19.34 | _rane | why would you want that butt ugly skeleton horse |
| 07:19.35 | Aqua | probability hates me |
| 07:19.51 | Aqua | it started as something to do bored |
| 07:19.57 | Aqua | now its become an obsession |
| 07:20.28 | ZorbaTHut | aqua, holy |
| 07:20.46 | ZorbaTHut | man, the RNG had better be nice to you soon |
| 07:21.16 | Aqua | yea, nothing is being nice to me |
| 07:21.29 | Aqua | I lost my newest addon to a bad hdd, i lost my subversion server at work, and i can't get this thing to work |
| 07:23.26 | Wobin | mikma: that youtube is timed well |
| 07:29.27 | mikma | wobin: thanks baby :D |
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| 07:44.42 | Spellbinder | whats a good snippet site? |
| 07:45.08 | Conexion | I love the excitement of getting a major feature of an Addon to work :D |
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| 07:47.56 | Elkano | so it finaly showed up in the addon list? ;) |
| 07:49.31 | Conexion | Haha I'm not THAT new :D |
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| 07:57.30 | Conexion | Any ideas on how to include icons like the money symbols inline with text? |
| 07:58.22 | Conexion | SetText(format("%dg %ds %dc", gold, silver, copper)) this is just fine, but I'd like to include the money icons |
| 07:58.43 | mikma | conexion: |TIconpath//icon:0|t |
| 07:59.06 | Conexion | Awesome :D thanks mikma |
| 07:59.10 | mikma | or..... |
| 07:59.46 | mikma | GameTooltip:AddLine("Money looted: "..GOLD_AMOUNT_TEXTURE:format(gold,0,0).." "..SILVER_AMOUNT_TEXTURE:format(silver,0,0).." "..COPPER_AMOUNT_TEXTURE:format(copper,0,0)) |
| 08:00.37 | Conexion | Good to know :D thanks! |
| 08:01.00 | mikma | basicly, GOLD_AMOUNT_TEXTURE etc are blizzard-handled |
| 08:01.10 | mikma | they should be displayed if you use them like that or so |
| 08:01.36 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FNongren%2FNongren.lua |
| 08:01.55 | mikma | see the 'local function tooltip(wut)' there |
| 08:03.11 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24653_thumb.jpg |
| 08:03.14 | mikma | does that |
| 08:04.52 | Conexion | mikma: that's awesome, thanks man |
| 08:05.25 | Nechckn | Spellbinder what sort of snippets? |
| 08:05.31 | Nechckn | for AddOns? |
| 08:05.59 | Spellbinder | nah just code, any code |
| 08:06.13 | Spellbinder | i allways forget the name on one site i usually use |
| 08:06.24 | Nechckn | Um... like http://pastey.net |
| 08:06.35 | Spellbinder | yes! |
| 08:06.44 | Spellbinder | thx a bunch Nechckn :) |
| 08:06.50 | Nechckn | hehehe wasn't quite sure what ya needed. |
| 08:06.54 | Nechckn | np, enjoy |
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| 08:07.00 | Spellbinder | thats the one :) |
| 08:07.36 | AbsolutRayne | Why is it, that this game has gotten so boring to me that I lie to my guild about not being able to make it to a raid? |
| 08:07.52 | AbsolutRayne | Probably because im getting sat the hell out almost every night though. |
| 08:08.04 | Nechckn | ewww.... |
| 08:08.09 | Nechckn | that's not nice |
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| 08:08.26 | Nechckn | Time for new guild, I'd say. |
| 08:08.34 | AbsolutRayne | -shrug- I think im about done with WoW. |
| 08:08.45 | Spellbinder | take a break |
| 08:08.53 | AbsolutRayne | I have before a few times. |
| 08:08.55 | Nechckn | It's getting a bit old here, too... finally |
| 08:09.02 | AbsolutRayne | I think its time for a permanent vacation. |
| 08:09.16 | Nechckn | But there isn't much else out there that I've found interesting |
| 08:09.16 | Spellbinder | me too, and i'm on one right now |
| 08:09.16 | AbsolutRayne | I have Arma2 to hold me over until Jumpgate Evolution finally rears its head. |
| 08:09.31 | AbsolutRayne | Or if not that, SC2 and D3 |
| 08:09.34 | Spellbinder | oh open the door Nechckn |
| 08:10.03 | Spellbinder | D3 aint out yet o_O |
| 08:10.23 | Nechckn | game-wise, this is, Spellbinder =) Life is pretty busy in general |
| 08:10.25 | Fisker | jumpgate sucks AbsolutRayne |
| 08:10.32 | Conexion | mikma: testing out the first method, I did %d|TMoneyFrame/UI-GoldIcon//icon:0|t - and it inserts something, but it is blank |
| 08:10.43 | Spellbinder | aah good Nechckn |
| 08:10.44 | AbsolutRayne | Because... |
| 08:10.56 | Nechckn | The upcoming um... Star Wars MMO sounds interesting |
| 08:11.10 | Elkano | http://www.abload.de/img/0673_67e5is5j.jpeg |
| 08:11.21 | Nechckn | no idea of the gameplay and such, but we'll see. |
| 08:11.24 | Spellbinder | well D3 is a must for me, when it arrives |
| 08:11.34 | Corrodias | how is it interesting if you have no idea what the play is like? |
| 08:11.38 | Conexion | That's awesome Elkano |
| 08:11.57 | Nechckn | lol, very |
| 08:12.00 | AbsolutRayne | Ehh |
| 08:12.07 | Nechckn | No, the concept and all |
| 08:12.16 | AbsolutRayne | I really dont want to quit this guild. Its nice being in a hardmode guild, but im tired of seeing almost nothing. |
| 08:12.21 | Nechckn | have not played pre-beta to be able to know for sure |
| 08:12.48 | ccox | wow, gold sellers are getting desperate |
| 08:12.50 | Nechckn | AbsolutRayne tell 'em |
| 08:12.59 | AbsolutRayne | I have |
| 08:13.05 | ccox | looks like we have 2 or 3 advertising at once |
| 08:13.08 | Nechckn | oh, then that's not cool |
| 08:13.27 | Nechckn | unless they put you in, there isn't really a point |
| 08:13.42 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.morscerta.com/forum/index.php?topic=269.0 the Comment I quoted is basically getting me to the point of logging on, gquitting and just Canceling. |
| 08:14.01 | Nechckn | ccox I've noticed that as well, seems like their business must have dropped off or something |
| 08:14.22 | Corrodias | i think china passed some new laws recently |
| 08:14.24 | Corrodias | or are going to |
| 08:14.36 | Corrodias | i don't know what effect they had/will have |
| 08:15.12 | Wobin | oh god |
| 08:15.17 | Wobin | I'm so glad I'm not in a hardcore guild |
| 08:15.34 | Wobin | I hate having to apply for a -job- let alone write all that for a damn raiding application |
| 08:15.48 | Conexion | Any idea why ... %d|TMoneyFrame/UI-GoldIcon//icon:0|t ... is inserting a blank space instead of an icon? |
| 08:15.54 | ccox | yes, some guilds take this GAME a little too seriously |
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| 08:16.08 | ccox | and then some forget that it is a game, and everyone would like a chance to play |
| 08:16.34 | Corrodias | if they enjoy it, i won't stop them |
| 08:16.36 | ccox | "let's gear my 9 closest friends and ignore everyone else in the guild - maybe they'll go away" |
| 08:17.02 | Wobin | Conexion: you're missing a '/' between Frame and UI? |
| 08:17.05 | Corrodias | interesting that they require UI shots and keybind info |
| 08:17.29 | Conexion | Wobin: nope, just tested adding one |
| 08:17.35 | Wobin | Corrodias: The laws China passed will have no impact on gold selling |
| 08:17.40 | Wobin | cause the gold selling is all on US servers |
| 08:17.52 | Wobin | and not in China |
| 08:17.55 | Wobin | and the laws don't even cover that |
| 08:18.00 | Corrodias | okay, cool |
| 08:18.04 | Wobin | they're aimed at microtransactions |
| 08:19.28 | Wobin | Conexion: you sure you have the correct path? |
| 08:19.53 | Conexion | positive. It is inserting an icon there of the exact width of the icon, but it is blank. Maybe I need to restart WoW? |
| 08:20.21 | Conexion | Nope, didn't work |
| 08:22.08 | AbsolutRayne | I wonder if I made a guild named 'O.S.I.', how many people would know what it meant. |
| 08:22.21 | Corrodias | i wouldn't |
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| 08:29.36 | Wobin | Office of Strategic Influence? |
| 08:29.53 | Wobin | Open System Interconnection? |
| 08:30.11 | Wobin | Ontario Swine Improvement? |
| 08:30.33 | AbsolutRayne | Im going to bed. Im in a garbage mood already and dont want to take it out on you guys. |
| 08:30.35 | AbsolutRayne | Night |
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| 08:33.04 | Conexion | Night man |
| 08:33.56 | Wobin | sleep well |
| 08:34.15 | Wobin | oh too late |
| 08:34.28 | Wobin | this is why having joins and quits filtered out is not good =P |
| 08:34.57 | Conexion | Anyway you can split a line in lua so it is in two lines without it breaking? |
| 08:35.32 | Conexion | example, if I'm mid string and the line is getting too long, I can't just continue it on another line or else it breaks |
| 08:35.48 | Wobin | use \n ? |
| 08:35.55 | Conexion | [[ text ]] includes the new line |
| 08:36.11 | Conexion | no, I want it on two lines, but no newline |
| 08:36.20 | Wobin | o.O |
| 08:36.23 | Conexion | err like |
| 08:36.28 | ZorbaTHut | conexion, close the string, append it to another string |
| 08:36.37 | ZorbaTHut | print("blah blah blah blah blah blah" |
| 08:36.40 | ZorbaTHut | .. "blah blah blah") |
| 08:36.41 | Conexion | Zobra gets what I'm saying :p |
| 08:36.57 | Conexion | Alright, makes sense :) |
| 08:37.01 | Conexion | Thanks! |
| 08:38.25 | Conexion | Much cleaner now :) |
| 08:38.45 | ZorbaTHut | np :) |
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| 08:51.58 | Adys | adys@azura:~$ ls |
| 08:51.58 | Adys | Segmentation fault |
| 08:52.04 | Adys | I'm probably doomed |
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| 08:52.25 | Thunder_Child | you were doomed even without that |
| 08:52.51 | nevcairiel | did you compile a new glibc or something? |
| 08:53.00 | Adys | No |
| 08:53.05 | Adys | it's fuse screwing up I think |
| 08:53.12 | Adys | I just had to killall -9 ls. |
| 08:53.47 | Adys | adys@azura:~$ ls |
| 08:53.47 | Adys | ^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C10072 |
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| 09:05.41 | airtonix | lulz |
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| 09:21.52 | haste | I wonder... |
| 09:21.56 | haste | ~killall Fisker |
| 09:21.58 | haste | >:( |
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| 09:30.20 | foxlit | Fiskercide :( |
| 09:31.32 | bluspacecow | ~fish Fisker |
| 09:31.33 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around with a large trout |
| 09:31.40 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.54 | Fisker | herro haste |
| 09:34.56 | Fisker | why so mean :( |
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| 09:39.12 | haste | Fisker: I'm always maen, that nothing new |
| 09:39.30 | Fisker | ok |
| 09:39.39 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 09:39.46 | Adys | isnt it awesome?! |
| 09:39.52 | Adys | hey Kalroth. |
| 09:40.05 | Kalroth | sux tokens!! |
| 09:40.50 | bluspacecow | "Recent Additions - Sigrie" |
| 09:40.57 | bluspacecow | who is this sigrie person ? |
| 09:41.04 | Adys | its the database name |
| 09:41.16 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/about |
| 09:41.17 | bluspacecow | i would named it Tom |
| 09:42.11 | Fisker | That's what we decided to name your brother bluspacecow |
| 09:42.23 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 09:42.28 | bluspacecow | that would be confusing |
| 09:42.36 | Kalroth | Adys: what does it mean? is it french for something perverted? |
| 09:42.58 | bluspacecow | nothing on google translate |
| 09:42.59 | Fisker | why bluspacecow ? |
| 09:43.14 | bluspacecow | yeah 2 people named bluspacecow in a family |
| 09:43.30 | Adys | Kalroth: yep |
| 09:43.35 | Adys | old french. |
| 09:43.38 | Adys | like your MOM. |
| 09:43.39 | Fisker | l2read bluspacecow >:3 |
| 09:43.46 | bluspacecow | ah old french |
| 09:44.01 | Adys | its just a good domain name I grabbed for the db |
| 09:44.03 | bluspacecow | Fisker you brought all the harry potter movie tickets for tonight didn;t |
| 09:44.06 | bluspacecow | you |
| 09:44.07 | Adys | and never actually bothered linking |
| 09:44.10 | Fisker | naw |
| 09:44.24 | pb_ee1 | Sigrie? Old french? wtf? |
| 09:44.51 | Fisker | destroys pb_ee1 for interrupting |
| 09:44.56 | bluspacecow | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 09:45.04 | bluspacecow | http://db.mmo-champion.com/about |
| 09:45.05 | bluspacecow | pb |
| 09:45.08 | pb_ee1 | Adys, you're saying bullshit |
| 09:45.14 | bluspacecow | its the name for the database for dat |
| 09:45.21 | pb_ee1 | bluspacecow, i know more about the db than you. |
| 09:45.31 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 09:45.34 | bluspacecow | my bad |
| 09:45.37 | bluspacecow | i sorry |
| 09:45.37 | pb_ee1 | ;) |
| 09:46.02 | Adys | your mom knows more |
| 09:47.11 | bluspacecow | is it a form of Sigrid ? |
| 09:47.17 | Adys | no |
| 09:47.27 | Adys | dont bother trying finding the origin there isnt any |
| 09:47.31 | bluspacecow | http://names.whitepages.com/first/Sigrie |
| 09:47.37 | bluspacecow | Sigrie is the # 492,356 ranked first name in the United States |
| 09:47.51 | bluspacecow | 4 listings foound |
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| 09:48.46 | bluspacecow | Sigrid [siɡrɪd] is a Scandinavian given name for women, meaning "victory" and "beautiful" |
| 09:48.47 | Adys | I wanted a 6-letter domain name above W and under D that could be easily pronounced, spelled and remembered in french, english, german, spanish, italian and dutch |
| 09:48.54 | Adys | and that wasnt taken. |
| 09:49.01 | foxlit | Hm, 10032775168 / 5242880000000 (x3981312) options searched. I so need a heuristic. |
| 09:49.29 | bluspacecow | 1 immigrant in 1884 with name of Sigrie |
| 09:49.57 | foxlit | The image of an alphabet arranged in a vertical line is... interesting. |
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| 10:02.48 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 | Happy Birthday Elkano! |
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| 10:50.06 | Fisker | coughs haste in the face |
| 10:50.28 | Fisker | enjoy your H1N1 |
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| 11:12.49 | haste | Fisker: sorry, I'm immune |
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| 11:44.38 | Adys | thats two, tonight |
| 11:44.39 | Adys | adys@azura:~/ssh$ rm -rf chromebt/ |
| 11:44.39 | Adys | Segmentation fault |
| 11:45.46 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
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| 11:53.34 | Aelobin | anyone know how random enchantment item links work? |
| 11:53.39 | Adys | ya |
| 11:55.13 | Aelobin | care to share? :P |
| 11:55.19 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString |
| 11:55.33 | Aelobin | ah yus, ty |
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| 11:57.44 | Aelobin | trying to figure out if there's a way to see the changes to a random enchantment on an item |
| 11:57.53 | Adys | sure there is |
| 11:57.59 | Aelobin | they said they;re buffing the random stats on northrend greens/blues |
| 11:58.01 | Adys | just modify the string, the enchant id, and done |
| 11:58.20 | Adys | yeah but that wont work |
| 11:58.25 | Adys | you define yourself the values |
| 11:59.02 | Adys | you could give it very high or low values if you wanted. at some point you could give it +200000000 stamina etc but they fixed that |
| 11:59.09 | Adys | who are you btw? |
| 12:02.05 | Aelobin | erm... i'm aelobin O_o |
| 12:02.16 | Adys | was just curious |
| 12:02.57 | Aelobin | or do you mean on the PTR? |
| 12:03.07 | Adys | nope im just tired |
| 12:03.08 | Adys | night all |
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| 12:15.58 | Ycarene | Where's the best place to level at 41? |
| 12:16.32 | Adys | ironforge, gnome quarter, cloth quartermaster, RAF RAF RAF |
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| 12:36.52 | alestane | I need to borrow Moose. |
| 12:37.18 | Lopeppeppy | You has moooses? |
| 12:37.53 | alestane | I has an insomniac mockingbird that needs to be cat food. |
| 12:38.10 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Moose is indoors only, she can't hunt outdoors. |
| 12:39.01 | alestane | Why doth it sing at 2 in the morning? Should it not be asleep like the other birdies? |
| 12:40.12 | Fisker | http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2009/07/14/critical-javascript-vulnerability-in-firefox-35/ <-wasn't only Firefox affected? |
| 12:40.19 | Lopeppeppy | It's a bad birdie. |
| 12:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, the Flock browser uses the FF engine, so I assume it was affected too. |
| 12:40.49 | Fisker | durr |
| 12:41.00 | Fisker | I guess the local news are firefox fags then |
| 12:41.10 | Fisker | They said IE was affected to |
| 12:41.38 | alestane | Concidentally, yesterday my Firefox asked me to upgrade to 3.5, like 15 minutes after I heard about this vulnerability. |
| 12:47.11 | alestane | I responded, "Maybe next week." |
| 12:47.11 | Lopeppeppy | Flock asked me to upgrade this morning, checking FF now. |
| 12:47.11 | Lopeppeppy | It doesn't ask me to, but I told it to anyway. |
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| 13:53.05 | Wobin | ugh |
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| 14:20.03 | Lopeppeppy | Someone is perky this morning. |
| 14:21.12 | Aelobin_ | if i have 5% damage reduction, and 10% damage reduction via armor - would that be 15% melee reduction or 14.5%? |
| 14:21.39 | Aelobin | 1-(0.9 * 0.95) |
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| 14:27.59 | tem|work | sigh |
| 14:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph? |
| 14:28.13 | tem|work | I can't watch this dvd because windows can't decode it |
| 14:28.23 | tem|work | and vlc is having a fit trying |
| 14:28.24 | Lopeppeppy | Using Windows Media Player? |
| 14:28.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, even VLC can't read it? |
| 14:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I was going to suggest trying. <.< |
| 14:28.48 | tem|work | windows says I don't have a dvd decoder installed at all |
| 14:29.02 | Lopeppeppy | Windoze can be like that. |
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| 14:31.17 | Lopeppeppy | But VLC has never given me conniptions. Have you upgraded to the new version, or still with the older? |
| 14:32.36 | tem|work | I have |
| 14:32.40 | tem|work | it "works" |
| 14:32.49 | tem|work | but I get no video |
| 14:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | What on earth are you trying to watch? |
| 14:32.55 | tem|work | and the audio comes 1s at a time |
| 14:33.12 | Lukian | anyone have a "heroes of newerth" key? want to test it under linux |
| 14:33.12 | tem|work | it's a lecture |
| 14:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Are you sure the file's not corrupt? |
| 14:35.36 | tem|work | I'm sure |
| 14:36.04 | tem|work | I'm grabbing a codec and we'll see what happens |
| 14:36.23 | tem|work | fucking dammit |
| 14:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | With cheese. *hug* |
| 14:36.34 | tem|work | "You must be logged in as administrator to install this program" |
| 14:36.48 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds like Vista being an asshat. |
| 14:36.58 | tem|work | xp |
| 14:37.11 | tem|work | vista supposedly has a decoder built in |
| 14:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. You are not having a good Windoze day, Tem. |
| 14:37.29 | nicoli_s | just downgrade to windows 95, thatll fix it |
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| 14:45.46 | Kraps | i overslept |
| 14:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | Ooopst |
| 14:47.12 | Wobin | http://www.cracked.com/blog/understanding-the-world-of-warcraft-using-super-mario-brothers/ |
| 14:48.12 | Kraps | thats a great site |
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| 14:51.26 | Wobin | Seanbaby ftw |
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| 14:51.39 | Kraps | man in the iron mask is great |
| 14:52.18 | Wobin | sigh |
| 14:52.26 | Wobin | Now I have the SMB theme stuck in my head |
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| 15:00.13 | alestane | Vista, from what I remember, also is incredibly conscientious about playing protected media if there's any way it could be sent to an unprotected connection. |
| 15:01.52 | Fisker | i'll destroy you Wobin |
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| 15:29.57 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:30.07 | alestane | Stasis. |
| 15:30.19 | Lunessa | rawr? |
| 15:31.02 | foxlit | Bark. |
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| 15:33.22 | Lothaer | hey guys/gals |
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| 15:39.32 | Kraps | In SMB, taking a step in any direction in under six seconds would be considered a minor challenge, if not an insult. To a Warcraft player it’s impossible for two reasons. |
| 15:39.57 | Lunessa | Ok, reading forums on a 17" monitor at home after having gotten used to 24" at work is like hitting my face with a hammer. |
| 15:40.32 | foxlit | in the what now? |
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| 15:41.13 | alestane | Kraps: I presume you're not talking about the server message block protocol. |
| 15:41.23 | foxlit | super mario brothers. |
| 15:41.28 | foxlit | Praise verbatim google. |
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| 15:41.53 | Kraps | alestane: in case you missed it http://www.cracked.com/blog/understanding-the-world-of-warcraft-using-super-mario-brothers/ |
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| 15:41.54 | Lunessa | I for one welcome our Search Overlords. |
| 15:42.06 | Lothaer | Cairenn: Ping |
| 15:43.14 | Slafsinator | Lunessa: 24" monitors are cheaper than cheap underwear right now, blame yourself ;P |
| 15:43.52 | Arrowmaster | theres only one good 24" lcd, the nec 2490 |
| 15:44.39 | Slafsinator | They're all better than 17" LCDs tho ;P |
| 15:45.27 | Shirik__ | I want the 120Hz Samsung |
| 15:45.41 | alestane | "Getting a WoW group to do anything together is harder than getting a bag of chickens its SCUBA certification." |
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| 15:46.19 | Shirik | sighs at competing clients |
| 15:46.55 | Lunessa | Actually, my home has a 22" Samsung and a 17" Viewsonic as the secondary. Which is where I keep the browser when the main monitor is occupied with something like ... say WoW. |
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| 15:47.25 | nicoli_s | i miss having a second monitor |
| 15:47.39 | Lopeppeppy | I have two.... at work... |
| 15:47.55 | Slafsinator | I tried using both my 27" and my 24" once I got the bigger one |
| 15:47.59 | Slafsinator | But it was too much |
| 15:48.22 | Lunessa | I need a bigger desk - I want to put the 19" (I think) iMac on here too, but I'm out of room. |
| 15:48.26 | nevcairiel | Anythign above 24" is too big for computer use, anyway, imho |
| 15:48.52 | nevcairiel | unless you sit like 2 meters away, but whats the point of a big screen then |
| 15:48.59 | Lunessa | A friend of mine rocks dual 30"s for his work box. It's... awesome. |
| 15:48.59 | Slafsinator | Switching from one screen space to another takes shorter time than turning the head from one monitor to the other tho;P |
| 15:50.37 | nevcairiel | I have a 22" right now, and i would get a 24 if i had the funds right now, but anything above that is just too big for me |
| 15:50.37 | Lunessa | *nod* I'm a fan of MOAR screen space. Always. |
| 15:50.47 | Lopeppeppy | Bigger is awesomer. |
| 15:50.54 | nevcairiel | Although i would like anything real big for a tv =P |
| 15:51.01 | nevcairiel | but not for my daily programming use |
| 15:51.07 | Lopeppeppy | I gave away my tv. <.< |
| 15:51.32 | Lunessa | Peppy :( |
| 15:51.48 | Lunessa | Though I just watch TV on my computer anyway. |
| 15:52.01 | alestane | Lunessa: It's okay, she gave it to me. |
| 15:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | I'd love to know what card you use, that's where I'm headed for October, if I decide I need TV again. |
| 15:52.23 | Lunessa | wait... you watch TV? When do you have /time/? |
| 15:52.45 | alestane | Me? I don't watch TV, but I do occasionally watch anime or play PS2 games. |
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| 15:53.15 | Lopeppeppy | Me? I don't watch TV, that's why it was fun to give it to alestane. |
| 15:53.21 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I got a USB device and Windows Media Center. - AMD/ATI makes it. It's about $140 and comes with a remote. |
| 15:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetness. |
| 15:54.59 | Lunessa | It also allows you to use your PC as a DVR. They also have a model for Mac OS X. |
| 15:55.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh. |
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| 15:56.53 | alestane | Morning, malreth. |
| 15:57.06 | malreth | yuss... good morning, alestane |
| 15:57.31 | alestane | I'd warn you that someone foisted filthy Japanese slang off on you as D/C text as a practical joke, but somehow I know that's just not true. |
| 15:58.38 | malreth | alestane: in all likelihood, i put it there just to make Shirik's head hurt |
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| 16:01.28 | alestane | ~staple EVERYBODY |
| 16:01.29 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples EVERYBODY quite well, and hands EVERYBODY to alestane |
| 16:02.00 | malreth | did it have something to do with asking someone for the honor of ejaculating into their mouth? |
| 16:02.39 | alestane | ...basically. |
| 16:04.27 | Lunessa | Amazing how all conversation came to a grinding halt. |
| 16:04.54 | alestane | Lunessa: It did that a while ago. |
| 16:05.25 | Lunessa | I'm "priming the pump" as it were with a meta-conversational observation. |
| 16:07.19 | alestane | The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire: discuss. |
| 16:08.00 | Lopeppeppy | drek |
| 16:08.07 | Kraps | read crygils 2 posts http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18601080670&pageNo=1&sid=1#10 |
| 16:08.16 | Lunessa | alestane spends too much time on campus and/or in the company of geeks. True/False - 2 line essay to support your answer. |
| 16:08.29 | Lopeppeppy | True. |
| 16:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane visited me twice. |
| 16:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | We were geeky |
| 16:08.46 | durcyn | alestane: the usage of 'neither' for comparisons beyond two is grammatically befuddling |
| 16:09.18 | Lunessa | "Reading comprehension is essential for communication via text format. Go ahead and read that again. Don't worry, we'll wait for you to get it right. " |
| 16:10.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sarcasm effectively used. |
| 16:10.55 | Lunessa | Indeed. |
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| 16:13.08 | Kraps | guilds having problems on 25m thorim |
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| 16:19.33 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/_jacksparrow0.jpg |
| 16:20.07 | Lunessa | Product placement for the win? |
| 16:20.10 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 16:20.50 | Lopeppeppy | Really Bad Idea (tm) http://thereifixedit.com/2009/07/16/epic-kludge-photo-two-person-hot-tub/ |
| 16:22.14 | alestane | Fratboy soup! |
| 16:22.51 | Lunessa | Now with more Beer! |
| 16:22.53 | Lopeppeppy | Those look...unfresh. |
| 16:23.01 | Lopeppeppy | I would not buy them at the market. |
| 16:23.17 | Lunessa | Peppy - Don't you usually pass on Frat Boy anyway? |
| 16:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | I've been known to broil one quickly with a nice sesame glaze, but overall, they're just not good eating. The beer infusion doesn't suit my refined tastes. |
| 16:24.39 | Lunessa | glances towards there fridge with it's large cache of Blue Moon ale. |
| 16:25.01 | Lunessa | smacks himself for using the wrong "its" |
| 16:25.42 | Lopeppeppy | Blue Moon is not "beer" such as frat boys stew in. |
| 16:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | Anything a frog advertises is not for me. |
| 16:26.38 | Lunessa | In your college years, there are only two factors to consider when purchasing beer: Quantity and Price. |
| 16:27.03 | Lunessa | As you grow older, you learn that there is really only one factor to consider: Taste. |
| 16:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | Value. |
| 16:28.04 | Lopeppeppy | Worth. |
| 16:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mutual adoration. |
| 16:28.09 | nicoli_s | cant drink beer, too gross |
| 16:28.17 | nicoli_s | except for some cider beer, i can get that down |
| 16:28.31 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/as-shameless-as-she-is-shirtless/2221 had to be pulling some kind of stunt on purpose. |
| 16:28.40 | nicoli_s | sfw? |
| 16:29.04 | Lunessa | Peppy my sweet, we're talking about beer here. Not anything of a higher order which requires inquisitive thought and value judgments. :) |
| 16:29.05 | alestane | Mostly. |
| 16:29.06 | Lopeppeppy | They're usually just text on that site, nicoli, but YMMV |
| 16:29.14 | alestane | No actual pictures. |
| 16:29.16 | nicoli_s | ymmv? |
| 16:29.20 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, if you don't use inquisitive thought and value judgements, you shouldn't drinks it. |
| 16:29.23 | Lopeppeppy | Your Mileage May Vary |
| 16:29.42 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Usually the purpose of beer is to kill both those things. :) |
| 16:30.05 | nicoli_s | prefers peach schnapps + somethin fruity |
| 16:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | Silly monkeys |
| 16:30.14 | Lopeppeppy | Mojitos for the win. |
| 16:30.26 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: schnapps is win |
| 16:31.00 | nicoli_s | i've been known for my tendency to just drink a bottle of peach schnapps by myself |
| 16:31.16 | alestane | nicoli_s: Peach Shnapps and Polar Orange Dry soda. |
| 16:31.21 | nicoli_s | mmmm |
| 16:31.25 | nicoli_s | that sounds delicious |
| 16:31.34 | nicoli_s | not that ive ever heard of polar orange dry soda |
| 16:31.57 | alestane | Polar is the brand. They also make ginger ale. |
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| 16:32.33 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: peach schnapps + OJ = drink called "Fuzzy Navel" - drink enough and all you will do is contemplate the fuzz in your navel. |
| 16:32.47 | nicoli_s | will have to look for it, i loves me some orange soda, oh and i def love some fuzzy navels |
| 16:33.07 | alestane | This way it is "Fizzy Navel." |
| 16:34.03 | Lunessa | So, I am assuming there will be at least one place with a bar at BlizzCon, and that more than one of us likes their liquor? |
| 16:34.48 | alestane | The drinks at the con itself are eh from what I've heard, but there are any number of hotels and restaurants nearby. |
| 16:34.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hey, alestane? Not Always Right just tried to download me the Bloodhound virus/malware/thing. I say we all dont' go there anymore. |
| 16:35.29 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm not getting that. |
| 16:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | I was in IE, are you? |
| 16:35.39 | alestane | And at least a few of the people I met last year will definitely hoist a couple with you. |
| 16:35.44 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Good to know. |
| 16:35.53 | Lunessa | Firefox 3.5 +NoScript |
| 16:35.58 | Seerah | was it from the site itself, or an add? |
| 16:36.00 | Seerah | *ad |
| 16:36.09 | Lunessa | And AdBlock Plus |
| 16:36.10 | alestane | I suspect it was an ad, but it might be good to lay off it for a while. |
| 16:36.11 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, it wasn't specific enough in the warning I got. |
| 16:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | Just a "did you know that I just blocked Bloodhound? You should look into that" sorta thing. |
| 16:36.45 | Seerah | hehe |
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| 16:37.08 | Seerah | tackles Funkeh` |
| 16:37.18 | Lunessa | IE is such a piece of security crap. |
| 16:37.31 | Funkeh` | hugs to tackles? :o |
| 16:37.40 | Seerah | tackle hug? |
| 16:38.04 | Shirik | malreth: ? |
| 16:38.14 | malreth | good day, Shirik |
| 16:38.35 | durcyn | NoScript is pretty shady itself these days, Lunessa |
| 16:38.46 | Funkeh` | Lunessa, actually if IE8 didn't have activex it would be the safest browser out there |
| 16:38.47 | alestane | So keep an eye out if the time-honored also tried to infect anything? http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/15/funny-pictures-curiosity-2/ |
| 16:38.56 | Lunessa | That |
| 16:39.21 | Lunessa | That last statement is like saying if ebloa didn't kill you, it would be harmless. |
| 16:39.40 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 16:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not goin' there, alestane, I'm scanning my computer instead. |
| 16:40.11 | Funkeh` | I don't know why they insist on activex |
| 16:40.12 | alestane | Probably wise. |
| 16:40.23 | Funkeh` | but I heard something about windows 7 disabling autorun for usb drives |
| 16:40.27 | Funkeh` | so maybe ie9... |
| 16:40.43 | Lunessa | Because it's their tech, and they never, ever, ever give up on something they want to make a "standard." |
| 16:41.10 | Funkeh` | nah Id say they've done pretty well recent cleaning up their act |
| 16:41.16 | malreth | Microsoft should just give up and make iPods |
| 16:41.19 | malreth | it's inevitable |
| 16:41.20 | Funkeh` | imo it's only a matter of time before they face the music about activex |
| 16:41.57 | Funkeh` | as far as I see it's only gone uphill since bill gave up the throne |
| 16:42.05 | Seerah | malreth: I still say mac stuff is overrated ;) |
| 16:42.16 | Funkeh` | it is |
| 16:42.20 | Lunessa | Oh, I know... Let's bundle in a tool for running Windows and System level code into your browser - that will always be safe, right? |
| 16:42.25 | malreth | Seerah: I said iPods... not macs |
| 16:42.40 | Seerah | I said "mac stuff" :p |
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| 16:43.01 | Funkeh` | I detest anything that wants to install bonjour on my system |
| 16:43.06 | Seerah | My phillips mp3 player works just fine, thank you :) |
| 16:43.08 | Funkeh` | so thats basically 100% mac programs |
| 16:43.11 | Lunessa | I'm going to make and send Seerah an iPaddle |
| 16:43.19 | Seerah | lol |
| 16:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | ... me too? |
| 16:44.50 | malreth | gives Lopeppeppy pie |
| 16:44.56 | Lopeppeppy | Does not want pie! |
| 16:45.16 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: ... you want a while paddle with a sroll-wheel, and an Apple Logo on it? |
| 16:45.24 | malreth | gives Lopeppeppy cake |
| 16:45.34 | Lopeppeppy | The scroll wheel sounds painful. |
| 16:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | Is the logo raised? |
| 16:45.42 | Lopeppeppy | noms cake. |
| 16:46.04 | Funkeh` | Cookies please |
| 16:46.05 | Lunessa | Depends on what I make it from. |
| 16:46.07 | Funkeh` | and hugs |
| 16:46.19 | malreth | My lemon grass plant nearly died yesterday from the heat |
| 16:46.25 | Seerah | I do not have cookies, but I have hugs |
| 16:46.39 | malreth | it looked perfectly fine the previous day... all perky and tall |
| 16:46.40 | Funkeh` | get you butt here and start then! |
| 16:46.46 | Funkeh` | :p |
| 16:46.52 | malreth | i came home yesterday from work to find it slumped over and brown |
| 16:46.56 | Funkeh` | I got cookies so it can be liek a trade off |
| 16:47.06 | Funkeh` | oh oh oh |
| 16:47.10 | Funkeh` | I got ice cream too |
| 16:47.16 | malreth | it sprung back to life after a thorough watering |
| 16:47.16 | Seerah | mmmm |
| 16:47.17 | Lunessa | malreth: It's summer, in Texas. You have a dog and a cat. Do the math. |
| 16:47.18 | Lopeppeppy | Perky. *giggle* |
| 16:47.20 | Seerah | huggles Funkeh` |
| 16:47.22 | Seerah | hehe |
| 16:47.34 | Funkeh` | ;p |
| 16:47.43 | malreth | I keep the plant outside... it needs wicked amounts of sun |
| 16:47.44 | Funkeh` | Was out walking the dog and figured |
| 16:47.49 | Funkeh` | hey, I need to buy some ice cream |
| 16:47.51 | Seerah | malreth: I've been having to water my plant 3x as often this summer |
| 16:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | Same here, and they are indoor plants. |
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| 16:48.15 | Lunessa | malreth: Are you guys rationing water there? |
| 16:48.27 | malreth | Lunessa: not yet |
| 16:49.01 | Funkeh` | ouch |
| 16:49.05 | Funkeh` | that would suck |
| 16:49.20 | malreth | The lemon grass plant's name is "Tom". Later this summer, I'm gonna make soup outta him. |
| 16:49.32 | Lunessa | has no plants. They tend to die. |
| 16:50.09 | Funkeh` | either |
| 16:50.47 | Funkeh` | But I couldn't put so much effort into something I'm going to slaughter |
| 16:51.09 | malreth | tasty soup |
| 16:51.24 | Seerah | wants to plant some lavender |
| 16:51.29 | malreth | goes to get lunch |
| 16:51.43 | Lunessa | I've raised animals for food - I know I can. But sometimes you have to wonder - is this level of work really worth it? But bacon usually answers that question with a resounding "Yes." |
| 16:52.09 | Funkeh` | damn |
| 16:52.14 | Funkeh` | I couldnt |
| 16:52.18 | Funkeh` | I mean, I lvoe bacon |
| 16:52.28 | Funkeh` | But I'll leave the dirty work to people I pay |
| 16:52.34 | Lunessa | I lived on a farm for 2 years. |
| 16:53.00 | nicoli_s | i would love to do that |
| 16:53.20 | Funkeh` | I wouldn't :x |
| 16:53.24 | Funkeh` | I'm not a farm kinda guy |
| 16:53.26 | nicoli_s | all of my dads side of the family grew up on a dairy farm |
| 16:53.28 | Seerah | neither |
| 16:53.35 | nicoli_s | well im a hippie, so i loves me some nature |
| 16:53.42 | Funkeh` | hehe |
| 16:53.48 | nicoli_s | though id only want to work on a vegetable farm, screw having to deal with animals |
| 16:53.48 | Funkeh` | well that being said |
| 16:53.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'd live on a farm *sigh* |
| 16:53.52 | Funkeh` | I'm no city person either |
| 16:53.57 | Funkeh` | I like my nice towns |
| 16:54.04 | Lunessa | it was the early 80s - and there was a large economic downturn - both my parents were out of work. If we didn't grow it, hunt it, raise it, we didn't get to eat it. |
| 16:54.05 | Seerah | imo, there's a difference between loving and appreciating nature, and having a hand in slaughtering animals for food |
| 16:54.31 | nicoli_s | yah, im too squeemish to be doing that shit |
| 16:54.38 | Seerah | I loves me some bacon and meat, don't get me wrong, but... :) |
| 16:54.44 | Lunessa | I love nature. It's tasty and beautiful. |
| 16:54.47 | Seerah | I'll chalk it up to being too empathetic |
| 16:54.51 | nicoli_s | i couldnt even raise cows for milk just cuz id have to deal with birthing em and shit |
| 16:55.03 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 16:55.08 | Funkeh` | sounds about right |
| 16:55.12 | Lunessa | But as a kid, when I found out where meat came from? I was all jacked up for a week. |
| 16:55.23 | Funkeh` | aww |
| 16:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | I grew up rural, same as what Lunessa said... I had to hunt things and get them ready for eating if I wanted to eat. |
| 16:55.52 | Lopeppeppy | I had a hunting, fishing and trapping license growing up. :) |
| 16:56.10 | Funkeh` | :o |
| 16:56.30 | Seerah | Peppy's a bunny killer!!!!1! |
| 16:56.37 | Funkeh` | ! |
| 16:57.14 | Lunessa | mmmm... rabbit. |
| 16:57.29 | alestane | Hassenpfeffer! |
| 16:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, I totally am. *sad eyes* |
| 16:57.57 | Funkeh` | Hey, no one said they don't taste good |
| 16:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | Did you know that man cannot live on rabbit alone? Not enough fat to theyselves. |
| 16:58.17 | alestane | "If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then *why are they made out of meat*?" |
| 16:58.19 | Lunessa | Beautiful and Delicious. |
| 16:58.28 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: http://www.eglobe1.com/word/wp-content/images/photos/Animals/Japanese-Bunny.jpg |
| 16:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | Vegetables, they are what food eats. |
| 16:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, cleaning my computer from the last infection, cannot links for the rest of the day. *doing penance* |
| 16:58.56 | Lunessa | Ur foodz, give them to me. |
| 16:59.05 | Funkeh` | Negative |
| 16:59.16 | Seerah | woooowww.... http://www.funnygarbage.com/flog/uploads/013bunnyDM_468x611.jpg |
| 16:59.35 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: is just link to image |
| 17:00.01 | Lunessa | Seerah: That is not a rabbit - it's a fucking martian |
| 17:00.14 | Lopeppeppy | One of my LJ icons is a bunny hiding her eyes from the horror of it all. |
| 17:00.25 | alestane | "You make bunny cry." |
| 17:00.25 | Lunessa | I bet it has a ray-gun and is here to steal our wimmins. |
| 17:00.36 | Seerah | hehe |
| 17:01.01 | Lopeppeppy | My bunny has no lazers. |
| 17:01.11 | Lunessa | pew pew pew |
| 17:01.24 | Seerah | bzzzzzzaaaaaapppp!!!! |
| 17:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | Peeeeee-eeeeeeew! That's a skunk |
| 17:01.35 | Funkeh` | O.o |
| 17:02.05 | alestane | For no clear reason, in Japanese, rabbits are counted as if they were birds. |
| 17:02.12 | Lopeppeppy | Food is food |
| 17:02.27 | Lopeppeppy | And maybe bunnies fly over there. |
| 17:02.44 | Lunessa | Birds are good eatin. |
| 17:02.48 | Seerah | that first pic I linked was a Japanese bunny |
| 17:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | He doesn't look Japanese. |
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| 17:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | Except maybe those chibi eyes |
| 17:03.51 | Seerah | *gasp!* you clicked the linkses! |
| 17:03.51 | Lunessa | He shaved off his top-knot and isn't wearing a gi. |
| 17:04.04 | Lopeppeppy | I copied it into FF. :) |
| 17:04.08 | Seerah | hehe |
| 17:04.12 | Seerah | good call |
| 17:04.49 | Funkeh` | I think I missed part of that discusion |
| 17:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | Which part? *innocent* |
| 17:05.20 | Lunessa | We couldn't hear your support of IE over all of our not caring - because it sucks. |
| 17:05.26 | Funkeh` | is confused over the whole clicking links stuff |
| 17:05.44 | Funkeh` | IE rocks :) |
| 17:06.00 | Funkeh` | Actually |
| 17:06.03 | Funkeh` | IE sucks |
| 17:06.05 | Funkeh` | IE8 rocks |
| 17:06.07 | Lopeppeppy | I clicked alestane's link to Not Always Right, and got a Bloodhound attack warning/block... now I'm scanning my computer and not clicking links. |
| 17:06.13 | Lunessa | got a whole lot of "not caring about IE" to get done today. |
| 17:06.20 | Lopeppeppy | Takes most of my day, Lunessa. |
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| 17:06.39 | Funkeh` | :o |
| 17:06.51 | Funkeh` | Well people on IRC don't usually link bad things |
| 17:06.54 | Lunessa | We design at work with IE 6 as the baseline... which pisses me off to no end. |
| 17:07.26 | Funkeh` | Oh, I don't use IE myself regularly |
| 17:07.33 | Funkeh` | but for people that use it I upgrade them all to 8 |
| 17:07.40 | dolby | <3 my Mosaic |
| 17:07.41 | Funkeh` | because of all the new file scanning stuff |
| 17:07.56 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 17:08.07 | Lothaer | hey dolby |
| 17:08.08 | Lunessa | to quote the head of Web Services - "If it works in IE and 'degrades gracefully' in other browsers, that's all we care about." |
| 17:08.08 | Lopeppeppy | 8 doesn't work with my CMS yet, and IT hasn't approved it for general campus use either. |
| 17:08.12 | Lothaer | and shirik |
| 17:08.13 | Shirik | is sed the right tool to use if I, say, want to strip all lines starting with // or surrounded by /* ... */ from code? |
| 17:08.20 | Shirik | temporarily |
| 17:08.23 | Shirik | to be piped to something else |
| 17:08.28 | Funkeh` | Lopeppeppy, aww, fair enough |
| 17:09.00 | Shirik | hi Lothaer |
| 17:09.04 | malreth | Shirik: that should work, yeah |
| 17:09.06 | Funkeh` | But I'm speaking from experience and reviews whe I way it's a heck of a lot safer than 7, even that firefox in some tests, at blocking malware download |
| 17:09.19 | Funkeh` | than* |
| 17:09.21 | Shirik | I want to do a `wc -l` but have it operate on actual code lines |
| 17:09.24 | Shirik | instead of line lines |
| 17:09.34 | Lopeppeppy | Compatibility isn't across the board, doesn't matter if it's safer. We upgrade as a whole college, or not at all. |
| 17:09.48 | Funkeh` | Yeah I would assume you image |
| 17:09.52 | malreth | Shirik: grep can do that, too |
| 17:10.06 | Lunessa | Funkeh`: The thing that pisses me off is poor implementation of CSS, and ActiveX |
| 17:10.15 | Funkeh` | me too |
| 17:10.23 | nicoli_s | at least ie8 has good debugging tools |
| 17:10.37 | Funkeh` | it does? never investigated it that deep |
| 17:11.27 | malreth | Shirik: i'd write the regexp for you but i'm up to my elbows in caesar dressing |
| 17:11.39 | malreth | OM NOM NOMS |
| 17:12.22 | Funkeh` | I'm trying to decide |
| 17:12.29 | Funkeh` | wether or not I should pre-order windows 7 |
| 17:12.51 | Funkeh` | On one side I have my usual naging thoughts "leave the software to mature out of it's teething problems". |
| 17:13.10 | malreth | Shirik: http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/scripts/remccoms3.sed |
| 17:13.14 | Funkeh` | The other well, the want to try it, and the whole money off deals |
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| 17:13.43 | Shirik | too long :P |
| 17:13.49 | Lunessa | Funkeh`: My plan is to stick with my non-broken Windows Vista install until I get a new box. |
| 17:13.57 | Shirik | why isn't grep "/\\*.*?\\*/" working to capture anything surrounded by /* ... */ ? |
| 17:14.45 | nevcairiel | why double escaping? |
| 17:14.52 | Shirik | doesn't bash interpret \? |
| 17:15.08 | alestane | But shouldn't you be escaping /? |
| 17:15.18 | nevcairiel | also grep is line-wise, afaik |
| 17:15.21 | nevcairiel | if that matters for you |
| 17:15.25 | Shirik | yeah that would matter |
| 17:15.25 | malreth | wait... i think grep only works line-by-line |
| 17:15.31 | malreth | yes, what nevcairiel said |
| 17:15.34 | Shirik | epic fail malreth :( |
| 17:15.47 | malreth | ~failreth |
| 17:16.11 | malreth | purl, failreth is <reply>Fail, malreth. FAIL! |
| 17:16.12 | purl | okay, malreth |
| 17:16.19 | Shirik | so I have to go with sed then huh |
| 17:16.33 | nevcairiel | isnt sed line-wise too? |
| 17:16.35 | malreth | Shirik: or python |
| 17:16.52 | alestane | I don't think so, sed is the Stream EDitor. |
| 17:17.01 | Shirik | but how the hell am I supposed to fit http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/scripts/remccoms3.sed on one line |
| 17:17.18 | nevcairiel | It reads input files line by line (sequentially), applying the operation which has been specified via the command line (or a sed script), and then outputs the line. |
| 17:17.25 | nevcairiel | wikipedia ^ |
| 17:17.27 | malreth | sed -e scriptname.sed |
| 17:18.19 | malreth | wait... sed -f scriptname.sed |
| 17:18.36 | malreth | -e is for commands on the line itself |
| 17:19.23 | Shirik | lul |
| 17:19.26 | Shirik | it removes the comments |
| 17:19.29 | Shirik | but it doesn't remove the lines |
| 17:19.44 | Shirik | also, it doesn't remove lines that start with /// |
| 17:19.48 | Shirik | what the crap is that |
| 17:19.48 | malreth | ah hahah haha |
| 17:20.02 | nevcairiel | write a quick python script :P |
| 17:20.10 | malreth | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/241327/python-snippet-to-remove-c-and-c-comments |
| 17:20.16 | alestane | Shirik doesn't know Python yet IIRC. |
| 17:20.19 | Shirik | I don't |
| 17:20.22 | nevcairiel | time to learn it |
| 17:20.24 | Shirik | and besides, I can correct it with grep easily |
| 17:21.05 | Adys | Im watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EYzabq08b4 again and again |
| 17:22.11 | Lothaer | ~poke Cairenn |
| 17:22.12 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 17:23.08 | Shirik | final result: $ find -name "*.cs" -print0 | xargs -0 cat | sed -f ./removeComments.sed | grep -v "^[\t ]*//" | grep -v "^[\t ]*$" |
| 17:23.14 | Shirik | works beautifully <3 |
| 17:23.29 | Shirik | wait, no it doesn't |
| 17:23.33 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:23.39 | nevcairiel | why exactly do you remove comments? |
| 17:23.40 | Shirik | removing all comments and blank lines from code causes my code to go from 10kloc to 13kloc |
| 17:23.44 | Fisker | y herro thar Shirik |
| 17:23.47 | Lothaer | morning Nihlo |
| 17:23.50 | Shirik | it was meant for wc -l |
| 17:23.58 | Shirik | so add a | wc -l to the end |
| 17:24.00 | Nihlo | hey |
| 17:24.16 | nevcairiel | cant visual studio count pure code lines? |
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| 17:24.20 | malreth | Shirik: now that's what i call code bloat! |
| 17:24.22 | Nihlo | anyone knows me^^ |
| 17:24.26 | AbsolutRayne | yawns |
| 17:24.34 | AbsolutRayne | Afternoon |
| 17:24.35 | Shirik | ok so that sed script |
| 17:24.37 | Shirik | is taking my code |
| 17:24.41 | Shirik | and doubling its size |
| 17:24.44 | Shirik | wtf did you give me |
| 17:25.05 | nevcairiel | output it somewhere and see what happens |
| 17:25.09 | Lopeppeppy | Viruses for Shirikses? |
| 17:25.09 | malreth | maybe you're going about it the wrong way... http://cloc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:25.30 | Shirik | wow, it really is duplicating lines |
| 17:26.30 | nevcairiel | so your LoC are 13k/2 |
| 17:26.33 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:26.38 | Shirik | apparently I need to do sed -nf |
| 17:26.53 | NeoTron | sloccount! |
| 17:27.49 | Fisker | *sniff* |
| 17:28.06 | Fisker | you never write back Shirik |
| 17:28.29 | malreth | Shirik's free as a bird, man |
| 17:28.35 | malreth | you can never tie him down, man |
| 17:28.49 | durcyn | http://www.cracked.com/blog/understanding-the-world-of-warcraft-using-super-mario-brothers |
| 17:28.52 | durcyn | genius. |
| 17:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh, I tried to buy him at last Blizcon but his price tag was too big. |
| 17:30.23 | malreth | at last Blizzcon, Shirik got me pregnant and has never me called since |
| 17:31.25 | Lunessa | I don't call you either. |
| 17:31.52 | malreth | Lunessa: i aborted that baby |
| 17:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | Why wasn't I informed? I'd have gotten together a collection for you, malreth, at least of discarded goodie bags to use for diapers. |
| 17:32.07 | Lunessa | I knew you would. I was only using you to get close to your wife. |
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| 17:32.52 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: it was because i felt guilty about having sex with Shirik and enjoying it |
| 17:33.55 | Lopeppeppy | You shouldn't feel guilty. |
| 17:34.13 | Lunessa | mmmm.. yogurt, cheddar cheese and saltines. Life is improving. |
| 17:34.38 | Seerah | I think you're making Shirik feel uncomfortable... |
| 17:34.48 | Lopeppeppy | I had chicken and rice, the last real food I'm likely to have before Monday. |
| 17:35.12 | Lunessa | peppy - take out is realy food. |
| 17:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh. |
| 17:35.40 | Lopeppeppy | Not by Peppy standards at least. |
| 17:36.03 | Shirik | whee |
| 17:36.05 | Shirik | finally got it |
| 17:36.07 | Shirik | $ echo $(echo `find -name "*.cs" -print0 | xargs -0 cat | sed -nf ./removeComments.sed | grep -v "^[\t ]*//" | grep -v "^[\t ]*$" | wc -l` \* 100 / `find -name "*.cs" -print0 | xargs -0 cat | wc -l` | bc)% Code Lines |
| 17:36.10 | Shirik | 60% Code Lines |
| 17:36.44 | alestane | Has finally gotten that application to Harmonix. Good to remember that cover letters can be very short. |
| 17:37.01 | Lunessa | alestane: Good luck! |
| 17:37.31 | alestane | I generally need to find some C++ work if this one gets let slide. |
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| 17:37.59 | Lunessa | speaking of things one needs to find - I need to find someone to split a hotel with. |
| 17:38.25 | nevcairiel | a whole one? |
| 17:38.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, a new binary diff app |
| 17:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | go google |
| 17:38.53 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Donald Trump I am not (thank goodness!) |
| 17:40.39 | Lunessa | Oooo.. rain! |
| 17:41.34 | nevcairiel | wtb :( |
| 17:43.24 | malreth | someone found my personal ad: http://www.dangerousminds.net/index.php/site/comments/man_claims_to_look_like_michael_from_good_times/ |
| 17:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | time to reboot for a new kernel |
| 17:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | mourns his 90 days of uptime |
| 17:47.56 | Lunessa | On the plus side... new kernel! |
| 17:48.09 | malreth | oop... site's down already |
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| 17:49.04 | Lunessa | fires up WoW. |
| 17:50.16 | sacarasc_ | fires down WoW. |
| 17:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, it all works |
| 17:51.08 | ScytheBlade1 | totally worth it |
| 17:55.07 | malreth | flosses |
| 17:57.19 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ? |
| 17:57.30 | Lunessa | So I'm considering an heirloom weapon for my baby paladin. I'm thinking the Arcanite Reaper. |
| 17:57.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: stateful ip6tables connection matching |
| 17:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: had to switch from the current linode default kernel (.18) to .29 |
| 17:58.18 | Shirik | I'm not changing my linode kernel anytime soon |
| 17:58.22 | Shirik | 130 days uptime! |
| 17:58.29 | Shirik | htop has a little (!) next to it now |
| 17:59.04 | nevcairiel | why do people run old kernels just for a high uptime? |
| 17:59.08 | nevcairiel | i'll never get it :P |
| 17:59.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:59.25 | Shirik | because it's like a certificate of "you didn't jack things up completely horribly" |
| 17:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4420 |
| 18:00.12 | Lunessa | Like those posters in facotries, "This facility accident free for 130 days." |
| 18:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 752 is pretty darn impressive I'd say |
| 18:00.23 | nevcairiel | I would at *least* update the kernel once a year |
| 18:00.36 | malreth | dhcp-45-12:~ triti$ uptime 12:59 up 2 days |
| 18:00.38 | Dagmar | At least at a factory it means the people were actively being careful. |
| 18:00.56 | Dagmar | 130 days uptime just means you have managed to not power your own damn machine off in 130 days. |
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| 18:01.19 | Dagmar | If you were an actual, skilled admin, you'd be concerned about unexplained downtime, not measuring your epeen with uptime. |
| 18:01.49 | Dagmar | For this and many other reasons, I move that we have all Gentoo users and administrators reclassfied as food. |
| 18:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:02.19 | nevcairiel | A reboot of a hw-server is usually 5-10 minutes, depending on how the bios handles the POST, of a vServer its 1-2 minutes |
| 18:02.24 | nevcairiel | thats no downtime i would worry about |
| 18:02.27 | Lunessa | Solyent Green is PEOPLE! |
| 18:03.05 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: talk to your SLA about that, which has a 99.999.... required uptime, which amounts to 10 minutes = broken SLA = you pay $$$ |
| 18:03.32 | malreth | five nines is overrated |
| 18:03.42 | Dagmar | Assuming the SLA even has defined penalties |
| 18:03.44 | Shirik | hey |
| 18:03.47 | Shirik | I haven't had downtime in 12 hours |
| 18:03.48 | Shirik | ok? |
| 18:03.49 | Dagmar | malreth++ |
| 18:03.49 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0bX9wKEgU8 |
| 18:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: minus your (extended!) SVN downtime |
| 18:04.15 | Shirik | that would be what I was talking about |
| 18:04.15 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: meh you can't run a system indefinately without downtime. Maybe those contracts are for clusters where you can take single nodes offline :P |
| 18:04.23 | Shirik | But that was git's fault |
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| 18:04.28 | Shirik | so I'm not blaming it on me |
| 18:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no, that was your fault for not rebuilding it properly |
| 18:04.41 | Shirik | I did rebuild it properly |
| 18:04.44 | Shirik | just didn't restart svn |
| 18:04.51 | Shirik | so svn was going "wtf where did all my stuffs go" |
| 18:04.53 | nevcairiel | so its your fault |
| 18:04.56 | zeheres | hi, ive been wondering if there is any chance to change the opacity of "needtoknow" through its lua-file or w/e.. the menu does not offer so |
| 18:04.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey I think we found your problem then! |
| 18:05.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Was still your fault! |
| 18:05.09 | Shirik | well if git didn't make me restart... |
| 18:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Changes nothing! |
| 18:05.34 | Shirik | I should put git on package.mask |
| 18:05.42 | Shirik | like I did to emacs |
| 18:06.10 | durcyn | i found the problem |
| 18:06.12 | durcyn | you use emacs |
| 18:06.48 | Shirik | uh, no |
| 18:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | durcyn: package.mask prevents that from ever being installed |
| 18:06.53 | Shirik | quite the opposite |
| 18:07.09 | nevcairiel | but why would need to mask emacs? |
| 18:07.15 | nevcairiel | i never did, and it never installed for me |
| 18:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: he's a hater |
| 18:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | </reasoning> |
| 18:07.38 | krka | sounds a bit zealous to me |
| 18:07.46 | nevcairiel | shirik is just a gentoo noob if you ask me :P |
| 18:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: and the git/svn discussion last night didn't impress that upon you? |
| 18:08.23 | durcyn | ScytheBlade1: (re)installed, it won't unmerge existing installations |
| 18:08.31 | durcyn | i.e. preventing upgrades |
| 18:08.40 | Shirik | durcyn: http://pastey.net/117581 |
| 18:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | bah, I restarted irssi.. I don't have the full "dictatorial throne of skulls" quote |
| 18:09.06 | durcyn | after using gentoo for seven years, i'm familiar with what package.mask is =P |
| 18:09.07 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 18:09.08 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:09.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lazy |
| 18:09.14 | purl | Hard work may pay off later, but LAZINESS pays off now! Work hard at hardly working! |
| 18:09.23 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:09.39 | Shirik | in all honesty, there's no reason to mask it |
| 18:09.52 | Shirik | I'm the only one with access to emerge, and anyone that did have access to it also has access to the config files |
| 18:10.02 | Shirik | unless I did something crazy like suid root emerge |
| 18:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | emerge is a python script |
| 18:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | the kernel refuses to actually suid scripts |
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| 18:10.28 | Shirik | really? |
| 18:10.29 | ScytheBlade1 | so you can't |
| 18:10.30 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 18:10.33 | Shirik | why |
| 18:10.36 | nevcairiel | he could suid the python binary |
| 18:10.37 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | security :P |
| 18:10.40 | durcyn | SBO: 20090716 00:40:19< ZorbaTHut> shirik thinks source should be ruled from a grand high commander resting upon a dictatorial throne of skulls |
| 18:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: haha, yes, yes he could |
| 18:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | durcyn: winner |
| 18:10.52 | Shirik | that sounds like a stupid justification for security |
| 18:11.04 | Shirik | that's like Java |
| 18:11.12 | Shirik | I'm going to remove features because you could shoot yourself in the foot |
| 18:11.17 | nevcairiel | i guess the problem is that you can just modify a script that was suid root and do wtf you want |
| 18:11.31 | Shirik | you could also modify a binary |
| 18:11.34 | Shirik | I don't see the difference |
| 18:11.53 | Shirik | don't grant write access to it |
| 18:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | erm, it's suid root. it can do what it pleases. |
| 18:12.16 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:12.20 | Shirik | it does what it's programmed to do |
| 18:12.30 | Shirik | it's not programmed to be polymorphic |
| 18:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | mark a file, owned as root, as read only. now write to it, as root! It'll let you. |
| 18:12.38 | nevcairiel | maybe you can replace its interpreter with some environment magic |
| 18:12.41 | Shirik | .... it doesn't give you root access |
| 18:12.46 | Shirik | it runs the program as root |
| 18:13.17 | Shirik | at least that's my understanding of suid |
| 18:13.35 | durcyn | http://www.mcclatchydc.com/environment/story/71842.html < life imitates art |
| 18:13.54 | malreth | durcyn: i just read about that |
| 18:13.55 | Shirik | that makes a little more sense, nevcairiel |
| 18:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | durcyn: it's the russians |
| 18:14.38 | durcyn | it's either the blob or sarah palin, imo |
| 18:15.22 | Adys | PMS cant be that bad now can they |
| 18:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | WHAT? |
| 18:16.40 | malreth | calms Lopeppeppy down with some cookies |
| 18:17.23 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Reviewing some mailing list talk, that seems to be what it is |
| 18:17.30 | Shirik | that the interpreter can't be safely defined |
| 18:17.50 | nevcairiel | yay i came up with the right reason :D |
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| 18:19.00 | Shirik | The main famous one, inherent in the way scripts work, is that the kernel has to look at the first line of the script, run the interpreter mentioned there with the args provided, and this interpreter then runs, looks at the script, and decides what to do. Running the interpreter takes time, and so an attacker can make a symlink to it, run the symlink, and replace it immediately, and have a chance to make the inter |
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| 18:22.28 | Shirik | so I'll just go suid root python |
| 18:22.30 | Shirik | sounds good |
| 18:23.13 | durcyn | pro plan |
| 18:23.23 | Aelobin | stick to the plan |
| 18:23.40 | malreth | meetingtime... i get to field questions from the University this time, i believe. fun fun |
| 18:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, yet another severe weather alert. They make me tired. |
| 18:25.55 | nevcairiel | the kernel directly does the script execution? I've always thought the shell handles that, somehow |
| 18:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | nope, the kernel does |
| 18:26.24 | Nuckin | is it just me or are the users on Curse more ignorant and unappreciative as the users on wowinterface? |
| 18:27.04 | durcyn | curse users are the same hyenas from the blizzard forums, so.. yes. |
| 18:27.13 | Nuckin | I figured |
| 18:27.21 | AbsolutRayne | @_@ |
| 18:27.32 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Need I more proof that Linux kernel is too monolithic? |
| 18:27.48 | Nuckin | I have people on curse whining that i took the buggy cast bar out of my addon, rewrote it, and made it a seperate addon |
| 18:28.36 | Lunessa | You had me at "Users" |
| 18:28.54 | Nuckin | heh |
| 18:32.13 | alestane | Cairenn: Lunessa wants to make sure that someone else at BlizzCon will be interested in finding a bar with him. |
| 18:32.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:32.29 | Lunessa | BOOZE! |
| 18:32.37 | Fisker | Lunessa is a guy? :( |
| 18:32.49 | Lunessa | I has a man parts, let me show you them. |
| 18:33.37 | Nuckin | whoa whoa |
| 18:35.05 | Fisker | maybe later Lunessa |
| 18:35.15 | Lunessa | That's what I thought. |
| 18:35.23 | Lunessa | All talk, no action. |
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| 18:36.40 | Nuckin | am i in the right channel? haha |
| 18:37.01 | |Jelly| | Umm. What was the question? |
| 18:37.08 | Lunessa | Yes. We just discussed the oldest and most widely used UI of all time. |
| 18:37.45 | |Jelly| | Orly? |
| 18:37.45 | |Jelly| | !!! |
| 18:37.54 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom |
| 18:38.08 | |Jelly| | Hey Lunessa, if we ever meet, should I just start bobbing and weaving, waiting for you to punch me in the face? |
| 18:38.21 | Lunessa | Nah, but you better bring beer. |
| 18:38.24 | alestane | Just in case people didn't see it: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18358913632&sid=1 |
| 18:38.28 | Lunessa | or vodka |
| 18:38.52 | |Jelly| | hehe |
| 18:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: *authors* are distributing music in UIs? |
| 18:39.28 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, yes |
| 18:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 18:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid people. |
| 18:39.48 | Lunessa | And other copywritten audio. |
| 18:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | To over-ride the login dragon, etc. |
| 18:40.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, how is music related to the login dragon? |
| 18:40.22 | Lunessa | replacing the audio for the login screen |
| 18:40.27 | Lopeppeppy | Replacing the roar with.. .oh, a purr. |
| 18:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | Or Led Zepplin. |
| 18:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting |
| 18:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd heard of people replacing the dragon for performance reasons, but not the sound |
| 18:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | Etc. etc. |
| 18:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | a LOT of people hate that roar. |
| 18:41.14 | nevcairiel | how long do people spent on the freaking login screen to care? |
| 18:41.17 | Lunessa | given the chance, people will steal anything not nailed down. And if they have a claw hammer... |
| 18:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 18:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | People are taking the *WoW* sounds and redistributing them |
| 18:41.48 | |Jelly| | nevcairiel: /agree -- it's stupid imo |
| 18:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | " keep in mind that it is illegal to distribute copyrighted materials, in this case in-game music and audio files, without authorization." |
| 18:41.55 | alestane | ...it's not nailed down. |
| 18:41.56 | alestane | Or they're distributing mods that contain music files for in-game use, like that old mod that played chocobo music when you were mounted. |
| 18:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | It goes both ways. |
| 18:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | that would fit |
| 18:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | bah, afk |
| 18:43.16 | Lunessa | Haha... Heirloom gear makes leveling stupidly fast. |
| 18:43.30 | alestane | How does one get heirloom gear? |
| 18:43.55 | Lunessa | You buy it for Emblems of Heroism or Stone Keeper shards |
| 18:44.11 | alestane | Ah, so you have to dungeon a bunch. |
| 18:44.24 | Lunessa | Or PvP |
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| 18:45.10 | Dagmar | Or just wait for the shards to pile up over time |
| 18:45.16 | Lunessa | And in 3.2 they're adding another piece you can buy from the Argent Tourney |
| 18:45.19 | |Jelly| | pounces on cogwheel, yet again. |
| 18:45.25 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 18:45.30 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 18:45.43 | cogwheel | huggles Gryphon |
| 18:45.46 | Gryphon | huggles cogwheel |
| 18:45.59 | Aelobin | dammmm |
| 18:45.59 | |Jelly| | aww. Isn't that cute. |
| 18:46.10 | Aelobin | finally my characters are copied to PTR and it's down >_> |
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| 18:47.43 | Lunessa | I bought the Bloodied Arcanite Reaper and enchanted it with Crusader for my new paladin. It's pure win. |
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| 18:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 18:48.15 | Ackis | ok does chrome support greasemonkey yet? or extensions? firefox is pissing me off... it's getting to over 100 megs in usage by leaving it on overnight |
| 18:49.20 | alestane | You can't enchant hirlooms with anything that has an item level requirement, though, right? |
| 18:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Correct, I believe. |
| 18:49.57 | Lunessa | Right. So the older enchants like Crusader, lifestealing, etc. |
| 18:49.58 | Aelobin | hoping theyll change it |
| 18:50.17 | alestane | Well, they seem to be migrating toward enchants requiring a wielder level. |
| 18:50.20 | Aelobin | i dont see why they dont change it now, they have the mechanics in place for requiring a level to activate the enchant |
| 18:50.23 | Lunessa | Makes them poor choices for Deaht KNights |
| 18:50.28 | durcyn | crusader's fine for levelling though |
| 18:50.50 | Cide | Ackis: I have read but not confirmed that chrome supports greasemonkey (to a certain extent iirc) |
| 18:50.54 | Lunessa | My baby rogue is dual-wielding heirloom weapons with Lifestealing |
| 18:50.58 | cogwheel | http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/18/google-chrome-adds-greasemonkey-support/ |
| 18:51.33 | Ackis | what about different types of extensions (and ty cogwheel ) |
| 18:51.45 | alestane | I REALLY, REALLY want C++ to support a syntax for "this data member is privately writable, but publicly const." |
| 18:51.58 | cogwheel | that's what methods are for |
| 18:52.25 | alestane | I shoud not have to call a function to get the value of a variable. |
| 18:52.32 | Cide | in C++ you do :) |
| 18:52.35 | Cide | besides |
| 18:52.44 | Fisker | Chrome supports greasemonkey |
| 18:52.57 | Fisker | But some GM-specific functions aren't implemented |
| 18:53.00 | cogwheel | alestane: that goes against encapsulation. it's intentionally like that |
| 18:53.15 | Cide | most simple class methods (defined in the class declaration and not implementation) are automatically inlined, so you lose (little to?) no performance |
| 18:53.29 | Fisker | there's also no ui for |
| 18:53.30 | Fisker | it |
| 18:53.34 | Fisker | So it's kinda annoying to setup |
| 18:53.54 | alestane | cogwheel: if a piece of information is part of a class's interface, then there's really no reason to mandate accessing it through a function. |
| 18:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | I am soooo childish. I know that the temp person is going to be at my desk tomorrow, because I'm on vacation, and I really resent that I'm being asked to clear space for her to work... I want to put pins in my chair cushion or something.... |
| 18:54.33 | alestane | But I could live with it if they would let me declare "public: float scarcity(); private: float scarcity;" |
| 18:54.33 | Cide | except that it's impossible to maintain backwards compat if you decide you need to do something at the get/set level later on |
| 18:54.33 | cogwheel | alestane: <3 C#'s properties |
| 18:54.57 | Cide | private: float _scarcity; // works |
| 18:55.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: *nod* I don't like people at my desk either. |
| 18:55.17 | alestane | Cide: Which is what I'm obliged to use, but it's clunky. |
| 18:55.19 | Cide | I agree properties are more elegant though |
| 18:55.53 | alestane | I can declare multiple functions with the same name, why cant I declare a function with the same name as an instance variable? |
| 18:56.22 | alestane | Cide: It's really not about performance, I know about inlining functions. |
| 18:56.36 | alestane | It's the syntax; calling a function implies that something is happening. |
| 18:56.42 | cogwheel | alestane: because it wouldn't be able to tell whether you wanted the value of the variable or a pointer to the function? |
| 18:56.43 | Dagmar | pretends he didn't see that |
| 18:56.49 | Cide | and it could be :) |
| 18:56.55 | Cide | Dagmar: see what? |
| 18:57.06 | alestane | cogwheel: fair point, there is a potential ambiguity. |
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| 18:58.17 | alestane | I monkeyed around for a little while with giving classes a public const reference to a private writable variable, but it's inferior in every way except the usage syntax. |
| 18:58.56 | alestane | i.e. "public: float const &scarcity; private: float _scarcity;" |
| 18:59.48 | alestane | But you still have to use two names, you bloat each instance of the class with an extra data member, and every existing programmer will look at you like you're crazy since EVERYONE knows that you deal with that by declaring a get function. |
| 19:00.20 | cogwheel | pokes alestane with the conformity stick |
| 19:00.22 | cogwheel | :P |
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| 19:00.54 | alestane | I don't mind properties so much, but adding them to C++ would probably just end up creating another version of C#, and no-one wants that. |
| 19:01.56 | alestane | If something acts like a member variable, I don't mind so much the possibility of calling a function to resolve it, as long as the code looks like it's reading a variable. |
| 19:02.55 | alestane | ActionScript does the same sort of thing, but then ActionScript also appears to be the unholy spawn of Java and Lua. |
| 19:03.28 | cogwheel | likes unholy things |
| 19:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | wants unholy things |
| 19:03.40 | alestane | is a warlock. |
| 19:03.49 | Lopeppeppy | That's evil, not unholy |
| 19:04.04 | alestane | I'd say you've got that backwards, but hey. |
| 19:04.46 | alestane | We're all about "whatever means available, and I don't care who it ticks off." |
| 19:06.11 | alestane | I presume that even if a class has an instance variable that's declared const, convention indicates that you should declare it private and make an accessor function for it? |
| 19:07.41 | zeheres | hi, ive been wondering if there is any chance to change the opacity of "needtoknow" through its lua-file or w/e.. the menu does not offer so |
| 19:07.51 | cogwheel | convention basically says you never give public access to member variables. |
| 19:08.43 | alestane | especially since if you have to do it to some for functional reasons, you should do it to the rest for consistency. |
| 19:10.54 | alestane | Since it's weird if you can ask for block.width directly but have to ask for block.height() by a call. |
| 19:11.03 | cogwheel | and also future-proofing as cide alluded to |
| 19:11.07 | Duman | hmm |
| 19:11.47 | cogwheel | it's a lot easier to de-inline a simple function than to redo the interface if you need to add processing |
| 19:12.01 | Lunessa | zeheres: Chances are, if the author didn't put it in the menu, they didn't write code to support that feature. |
| 19:12.16 | zeheres | this is shite |
| 19:12.34 | alestane | You might be able to write a :SetAlhpa call in somewhere, once you figure out where it's supposed to go. |
| 19:12.39 | alestane | :SetAlpha* |
| 19:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | Then write your own addon with the features you want, instead of cussin' about it. |
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| 19:12.45 | Lunessa | Tough nooggies. You're free to write your own code in there. |
| 19:13.49 | zeheres | im too unskilled to do so :D |
| 19:14.10 | Lunessa | Then quit complaining that something sucks, pick up a book and learn or STFU. |
| 19:14.15 | Lopeppeppy | Then stop bashing what's out there... it makes us much less likely to be helpful. |
| 19:14.58 | zeheres | i just asked if its possible, no reason to be that bitchy |
| 19:14.59 | alestane | You have a wonderful opportunity, then; customizing your UI is all about taking responsibility for it yourself. |
| 19:15.15 | cogwheel | Duman: get me a job there or send me some food plox XD |
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| 19:16.36 | alestane | Calm down, folks, no-one understands the culture the second they walk in the door. |
| 19:17.19 | Lunessa | Hey, I was willing to be helpful until he started calling things "shite." After that, he's on his own. |
| 19:19.26 | Lopeppeppy | Rudeness should never be tolerated. If you don't know the culture, that's even more reason to be polite and mind your manners. Not less. |
| 19:19.40 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 19:20.40 | zeheres | i wanted to be rude against this author i had said that he sucked and not that it was shite with a damn smile |
| 19:20.42 | Fisker | herro? |
| 19:20.49 | zeheres | i = if |
| 19:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | And in other news, I get my key tomorrow first thing in the morning, yaaaaay! *wild Muppet cheers* |
| 19:21.25 | cogwheel | parse error |
| 19:21.39 | Lunessa | Yay Peppy! |
| 19:21.52 | alestane | zeheres: What it boils down to is, you're responsible for your own UI if you don't want to use Blizzard's. If someone else has done some of the work for you, that's great, say thank you and save yourself some time, but if an add-on doesn't do what you want it to, you have two basic options; ask them to add the feature and wait nicely, or do it yourself. Remember that we are basically working for free. |
| 19:22.22 | zeheres | fair enough |
| 19:22.23 | Cairenn | everyone breathe :) |
| 19:22.27 | zeheres | know i know how things roll |
| 19:22.29 | alestane | I understand that you probably didn't intend to be as rude as some people took it. |
| 19:22.30 | zeheres | now |
| 19:22.31 | zeheres | :/ |
| 19:22.52 | krka | well you have to work free, remember the policy :P |
| 19:22.55 | zeheres | ill try to do better in future :) |
| 19:22.56 | Lunessa | Most addons are written based on what the author wanted/needed. Anything else is them doing you a favor. Ask nicely for favors. |
| 19:22.59 | cogwheel | Cairenn: already hyperventilating after that FB quiz result and subsequent comments |
| 19:23.08 | Cairenn | cogwheel: lol |
| 19:23.09 | Lopeppeppy | I rawred it. |
| 19:23.21 | alestane | krka: We can accept money, just not require it; but I think you know that. |
| 19:23.24 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Must be some quiz! |
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| 19:23.32 | krka | just teasing!' |
| 19:23.55 | alestane | zeheres: How much do you feel like you understand about how the WoW UI works? |
| 19:24.22 | zeheres | ive been creating my own UIs like forever but never changed anything in the lua files |
| 19:24.56 | alestane | So you understand the basic dynamics of frames, textures and events. |
| 19:25.04 | zeheres | so i guess im a newb in adding some features etc |
| 19:25.10 | zeheres | i guess i do |
| 19:25.33 | Cairenn | zeheres: by "creating my own", you mean putting together compilations, right? |
| 19:25.37 | zeheres | right |
| 19:25.37 | zeheres | ;) |
| 19:25.40 | alestane | Does the frame you're unhappy with ever change opacity as you got the code? |
| 19:25.43 | Cairenn | alestane: ^^ |
| 19:25.46 | alestane | That is, the way it came? |
| 19:25.47 | zeheres | it does not at all |
| 19:25.58 | zeheres | the background is plain black |
| 19:26.02 | alestane | That's good, you won't have to fight with it. |
| 19:26.12 | zeheres | like to have a screen? |
| 19:26.23 | alestane | Do you want to fade out the whole frame, or just the background? |
| 19:26.38 | zeheres | hold on a second please |
| 19:26.44 | alestane | For instance, does it have text or icons it, and if so, do you want them to fade too? |
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| 19:27.25 | zeheres | http://i25.tinypic.com/2aahugz.jpg |
| 19:27.30 | zeheres | that's the addon |
| 19:27.54 | zeheres | as you can see it has a black background which i would like have transparent |
| 19:28.13 | alestane | But you'd like the bars to say bright? |
| 19:28.15 | amro | any gentoo users around? portage is taunting me |
| 19:28.17 | alestane | stay* |
| 19:28.17 | zeheres | correct |
| 19:28.42 | nevcairiel | amro: ask away, some of us use it here |
| 19:29.04 | alestane | Okay, then you need to look through the files and find if the frames are created with a background texture, or if they actually use a backdrop file. |
| 19:29.17 | zeheres | ill give it a shot |
| 19:29.38 | alestane | Do you want the black to be there, but faded and see-through, or do you want it gone? |
| 19:30.02 | amro | http://amro.pastey.net/117585 |
| 19:30.25 | amro | "Don't file a bug report." is hardly useful information |
| 19:30.28 | zeheres | one sec, phone |
| 19:30.37 | nevcairiel | you have python 2.4 installed? |
| 19:30.42 | nevcairiel | how long did you not update it? O.O |
| 19:30.48 | Fisker | http://i27.tinypic.com/1z1wyh3.jpg :( |
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| 19:32.07 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you did catch the part where he doesn't have experience coding addons, just with making UI compilations, correct? |
| 19:32.19 | Cide | Fisker: try i <3 |
| 19:32.22 | alestane | I did. |
| 19:32.28 | amro | nevcairiel: I can't, because I get that error whenever I try |
| 19:32.57 | alestane | But it's reached the point where I can probably help him better once he tells us where he gets stuck. |
| 19:33.01 | nevcairiel | can you manually update python without installing python-updater just yet? |
| 19:33.37 | nevcairiel | but thats a common issue with gentoo, if you don't update it for a loong time, updating will be difficult |
| 19:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot brain, I has the dumb.... gah... |
| 19:34.18 | Fisker | durr Cide |
| 19:36.01 | amro | nevcairiel: do you have any clue how to fix that error though? |
| 19:36.10 | amro | it's basically telling me to fuck off the way I see it |
| 19:36.17 | amro | there doesn't seem to be a --force option |
| 19:36.20 | nevcairiel | sadly emerge depends on python |
| 19:36.23 | nevcairiel | that complicates stuff |
| 19:36.32 | amro | I just want revdep-rebuild |
| 19:36.45 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 19:36.46 | Adys | \o/ |
| 19:36.50 | amro | so I can fix apache and get back to not caring about the tangled mess on that install |
| 19:36.51 | nevcairiel | rename the file manually, and try to install python-updater and python 2.5? |
| 19:37.17 | Fisker | .o/ |
| 19:37.44 | amro | nevcairiel: cheers, that worked |
| 19:37.46 | Fisker | Hates Everything (1145) |
| 19:37.47 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:39.13 | zeheres | okay, im back |
| 19:39.49 | alestane | [3:29pm] alestane: Do you want the black to be there, but faded and see-through, or do you want it gone? |
| 19:40.13 | zeheres | id like to have it as if i set the opacity to 0 %, so completely transparent |
| 19:41.12 | zeheres | so basically i want it gone |
| 19:41.31 | zeheres | http://nopaste.de/p/a9HdAd0plb |
| 19:41.34 | zeheres | am i right there? |
| 19:41.57 | alestane | Then if the author created their own texture, it's *fairly* easy; find where the texture is created. If it's created in Lua (look for a someFrame:CreateTexture() call), either comment out the creation of the texture (this may lead to other bugs that could take a while to track down) or call texture:Hide() after it's created. |
| 19:42.01 | zeheres | so could link me a tutorial and i might figure out stuff myself, it's not that i want to leech here |
| 19:43.15 | alestane | That code looks like it could well be the right part. See the last line where it says, "background:SetVertexColor(bkgdColor.r, bkgdColor.g, bkgdColor.b, bkgdColor.a);"? |
| 19:43.18 | amro | nevcairiel: what do I need to emerge for revdep-rebuild? |
| 19:43.35 | nevcairiel | gentoolkit? |
| 19:43.38 | alestane | Try changing it to "background:Hide();" |
| 19:43.45 | zeheres | yap, that's what i was kinda reffering to |
| 19:43.47 | zeheres | oka |
| 19:44.00 | nevcairiel | i think its gentoolkit |
| 19:44.02 | amro | nevcairiel: ugh I tried that but typod and didn't notice |
| 19:44.02 | zeheres | setvertextcolor = hide |
| 19:44.02 | zeheres | ? |
| 19:44.05 | amro | nevcairiel: yeah it is |
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| 19:45.31 | zeheres | alestane http://nopaste.de/p/aOFu5cAzO which of these? |
| 19:45.56 | alestane | Neither, just like I typed it above. |
| 19:45.56 | alestane | background:Hide() |
| 19:46.07 | zeheres | okay |
| 19:46.09 | alestane | Caps are important in Lua, just so you know. |
| 19:46.23 | zeheres | okay, good to know |
| 19:46.58 | alestane | If you made it "background:hide()", you would probably get an error saying something like "attempt to call table key "hide" (a nil value)". |
| 19:47.02 | zeheres | no semicolon at the end? |
| 19:47.07 | alestane | Doesn't matter. |
| 19:47.10 | zeheres | okay |
| 19:47.16 | Dewin | Lua doesn't require semicolons unless you're putting multiple statements on one line. |
| 19:47.23 | alestane | Not even then, usually. |
| 19:47.52 | zeheres | okay |
| 19:47.53 | alestane | Lua allows people who are used to languages like C to use semicolons, but it basically treats them like whitespace. |
| 19:48.16 | zeheres | it's gone. i love you. |
| 19:48.20 | zeheres | :D |
| 19:48.37 | alestane | Congratulations. You have taken your first step into a larger world. |
| 19:48.58 | zeheres | http://i25.tinypic.com/mbq2ys.jpg |
| 19:49.12 | zeheres | cant see it properly i guess |
| 19:49.28 | zeheres | in fact you have done my first step into a larger world ;) |
| 19:49.51 | alestane | It still looks like it's there to me, but if you're happy, great. |
| 19:49.57 | zeheres | jpeg :/ |
| 19:50.17 | alestane | Hey, you were the one who found the code; I just told you what to do with it. |
| 19:50.38 | zeheres | fair enoug ;) |
| 19:50.40 | zeheres | +h |
| 19:51.08 | alestane | There is an extensive reference at http://wowprogramming.com where you can learn more about the different kinds of widgets and commands. |
| 19:51.17 | alestane | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:51.17 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:51.20 | zeheres | great |
| 19:51.54 | alestane | ~lua |
| 19:51.55 | purl | i heard lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 19:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | ~pil |
| 19:52.04 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 19:52.11 | alestane | The language manuals are there. |
| 19:52.29 | zeheres | how difficult is it to learn lua compared to, let's say, err.. html? if you can even compare these |
| 19:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | No comparison, IMO, as I'm learning lua presently, through those resources. |
| 19:52.55 | alestane | Lua is like the old Othello slogan..."a minute to learn, a lifetime to master." |
| 19:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | HTML is markup, lua is a language. |
| 19:53.10 | zeheres | i see |
| 19:53.29 | alestane | Lua is an English-like language, so there's less strange syntax to get your brain around. |
| 19:53.33 | cogwheel | I think Lua's a great language to learn for a new programmer. |
| 19:53.56 | cogwheel | and jnwhiteh does a great job introducing it in the book |
| 19:54.05 | alestane | It does support some advanced concepts that take some getting your brain around, but it's very easy to get your feet wet in. |
| 19:54.14 | zeheres | at first sight, i'd say, lua is pretty clearly arranged |
| 19:55.44 | alestane | I spent something like three days working in it before I ever opened a manual, but I also have a long history of programming. |
| 19:55.54 | zeheres | see, i don't :/ |
| 19:56.30 | alestane | The good news for you is that Lua was designed specifically for people who aren't programming experts. |
| 19:57.46 | zeheres | cool |
| 19:58.36 | Adys | lua is one of the easiest languages to learn |
| 19:58.37 | zeheres | so there's three more addons where i have to change the background.. i might take that as practise ;) |
| 19:58.42 | Adys | until you hit oop in lua which is hackey and needlessly complicated *shrugs* |
| 19:58.49 | zeheres | oop? |
| 19:58.52 | Adys | but you can work around that |
| 19:58.55 | Adys | ~wiki oop |
| 19:59.00 | alestane | "object-oriented programming" |
| 19:59.12 | Adys | meh purl |
| 19:59.18 | Adys | ~botslap |
| 19:59.19 | purl | ACTION cowers away from adys |
| 19:59.32 | zeheres | i guess that's too much for a beginner :) |
| 19:59.41 | Adys | dont worry about that |
| 19:59.44 | zeheres | okay |
| 20:00.05 | alestane | You've used it already, actually. It only gets complicated when you try to create your own. |
| 20:00.12 | Adys | ya |
| 20:00.34 | zeheres | do i dismiss myself if i said i wouldnt intend to create my own addons? |
| 20:00.45 | alestane | when you see something like "background:Hide()", background is the "object" and Hide is the "method". |
| 20:00.46 | Adys | what do you mean? |
| 20:01.05 | zeheres | ehm |
| 20:01.06 | alestane | If you don't have any ideas for add-ons, then don't. |
| 20:01.27 | zeheres | it was like: do i not fit in here if do not create addons by myself |
| 20:01.34 | zeheres | from scratch |
| 20:01.49 | alestane | If you're interested in customizing the WoW UI, you can fit in here. |
| 20:01.51 | Lopeppeppy | No, your apparent rudeness was the problem, not whether you do or don't code. |
| 20:01.53 | Adys | we're a very elite club but just for you we'll make an exception |
| 20:02.10 | zeheres | i appreciate that |
| 20:02.17 | Lunessa | Not everyone does. I don't publish any code at all, and I'm a regular, and occasionally valued, member of the community. |
| 20:02.25 | zeheres | i didn't intend to be rude, maybe choice of wrong words.. sorry again |
| 20:02.26 | zeheres | :/ |
| 20:02.55 | Lunessa | It happens. And aside from Cide, I'm probably the most ornery member of this channel. |
| 20:03.02 | zeheres | :D |
| 20:03.05 | Lopeppeppy | 'm scuse? |
| 20:03.08 | Adys | your mom is most ornery |
| 20:03.29 | Lunessa | Adys, when you meet my mom, you'll understand the level of your understatement. |
| 20:03.58 | Cide | hey, I pride myself with what I do |
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| 20:04.03 | alestane | Fisker is in a perpetual state of rage, or claims to be, but doesn't usually take it out on people in particular. |
| 20:04.03 | Thunder_Child | never valusd Lunessa |
| 20:04.04 | Lunessa | Peppy - you qualified to be a Dino. You're WAY nicer than I. |
| 20:04.16 | Thunder_Child | valued* |
| 20:04.23 | zeheres | i assume this channel is related to wowinterface? |
| 20:04.26 | Lunessa | cries cause Thunder_Child is so mean. |
| 20:04.32 | Thunder_Child | suck it up |
| 20:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | Not just that site, no. |
| 20:04.36 | zeheres | or is there some separate forum? |
| 20:05.09 | Lopeppeppy | WoWInterface has their own forums, yes. And Bliz has a UI/Macros forum. |
| 20:05.10 | Adys | Lunessa: statements arent the only thing i'll do under your mom |
| 20:05.13 | alestane | zeheres: It used to be more closely affiliated with wowinterface.com, but it's really just for people who want to work on the UI on one level or another, so they changed the name. |
| 20:05.24 | zeheres | oh, okay |
| 20:05.28 | Lunessa | Adys - be sure to tip well. |
| 20:05.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, quarter-sized hail coming my way. I hate our valley weather. |
| 20:06.03 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: It hailed on me on the way up last week. Twice. |
| 20:06.17 | alestane | Not that large though. |
| 20:06.20 | zeheres | i'm going jogging.. thanks again for your help! |
| 20:06.24 | Cairenn | They just issued a severe thunderstorm watch for here (not surprising given how humid it is) |
| 20:07.19 | Ackis | ok I'm so stupid I can't figure out where to find bookmarks in chrome... |
| 20:07.29 | Adys | ctrl b ackis |
| 20:07.33 | alestane | Yeah, all our sunny is gone too. |
| 20:07.53 | Ackis | Adys: tyvm, so they're all setup like the bookmarks toolbar in firefox nice |
| 20:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | whines a bunch. |
| 20:12.25 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 20:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | The hailstorm is going to make my evening... much more difficult. Must plan more time, and plan to get wet in the moving of the stuffs. Gosh I hate summer weather! |
| 20:14.01 | Thunder_Child | i'd take your hail if i could |
| 20:14.18 | ZorbaTHut | same, send it over here |
| 20:14.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'd send it if I could. |
| 20:24.00 | alestane | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-07-13.aspx |
| 20:26.19 | alestane | Or a little closer to home: http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-07-06.aspx |
| 20:29.14 | Lunessa | dies a little inside. |
| 20:31.01 | Guest5354 | gack, I'm a guest? |
| 20:31.18 | Shirik | wow |
| 20:31.24 | Shirik | pandora gave up on the 100% free model huh |
| 20:31.41 | Lunessa | no money in it. |
| 20:33.12 | Lunessa | Compared to enhancement, elemental shaman is EZ. |
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| 20:34.34 | Shirik | I'm confused by their new model though |
| 20:34.44 | Shirik | either I can opt to keep listening for the rest of the month by paying $0.99 |
| 20:34.50 | Shirik | or I can pay for the entire year for $36 |
| 20:35.12 | kd3 | prorated for the rest of the month? |
| 20:35.14 | kd3 | 50 cents a week? |
| 20:35.22 | kd3 | er, wait |
| 20:35.27 | kd3 | looks for more caffeine |
| 20:39.44 | alestane | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-06-12.aspx |
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| 20:41.45 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I believe you don't get the other subscription features with the $1 option |
| 20:44.08 | kd3 | emails away! |
| 20:44.41 | Duman | woo |
| 20:45.17 | Shadowed | weird |
| 20:45.29 | Shadowed | they added a ton of comments to globalstrings.lua in the latest ptr build |
| 20:45.47 | Shadowed | like 70% of the file changed with comments |
| 20:45.57 | kd3 | if by added you mean removed |
| 20:46.08 | Shadowed | er |
| 20:46.08 | Shadowed | removed |
| 20:46.11 | Shadowed | yea |
| 20:48.14 | Esamynn | no more GlobalStrings.lua comments? :( |
| 20:48.28 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:48.30 | kd3 | I don't get it |
| 20:48.37 | Shadowed | did you post the diff yet kd3? |
| 20:48.39 | Lunessa | Probably the "I'm just evil enough" comment getting published was enough to get them all fucking yanked. |
| 20:48.48 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:48.53 | kd3 | I've emailed them out already |
| 20:48.57 | Shadowed | kk |
| 20:49.21 | Lunessa | Bathwater & baby... poof |
| 20:49.42 | Shadowed | seems odd they would yank themall thought |
| 20:49.46 | Shadowed | given some were semi-helpful |
| 20:50.28 | Lunessa | Typical managerial overreaction though. :) |
| 20:51.34 | Lunessa | And note - that's pure, rank supposition on my part. |
| 20:52.55 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
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| 20:55.34 | kd3 | blah |
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| 21:03.08 | nicoli_s | Adys: where did the icons on your tooltips go? |
| 21:03.20 | Adys | they were never there |
| 21:03.37 | nicoli_s | ahh, had to be different huh :P |
| 21:03.39 | Adys | I could add them to the js tooltips |
| 21:03.51 | Adys | nah it was for simplicity sake |
| 21:04.03 | Adys | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/moonwalkvideo/ |
| 21:04.26 | nicoli_s | wow i totally expected that to be about michael jackson |
| 21:04.36 | Adys | : / |
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| 21:07.59 | alestane | Oh dear: http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-04-29.aspx |
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| 21:11.59 | kd3 | ahahaha |
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| 21:15.11 | nevcairiel | hm they removed all the explanatory comments from the globalstrings |
| 21:15.18 | nevcairiel | is that a going-live-soon change? :P |
| 21:15.39 | mikma | a what what from globalstrings? |
| 21:15.51 | nevcairiel | -SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_52 = "The target must be bound to you."; -- This is meant in terms of "enthrallment", e.g. the ghoul is not bound to you (Death Knight Error message) |
| 21:15.51 | nevcairiel | +SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_52 = "The target must be bound to you."; |
| 21:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | probably a result of the new forbidden spell string |
| 21:15.55 | nevcairiel | there are millions of those |
| 21:16.49 | mikma | nevcairiel: i've seen that message on live, too, what does that tell? :I |
| 21:16.55 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 21:17.03 | nevcairiel | i was just referring to the change that removed the comment |
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| 21:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "The new Harry Potter movie debuted last night. Star Trek fans were especially excited because it's the one night out of the year they get to look down on someone." |
| 21:28.37 | Kraps | warrior q&a is here |
| 21:30.19 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks8PZ8X6Yo8&NR=1 |
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| 21:35.56 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:36.30 | mikma | thank you sir. |
| 21:39.47 | Fisker | my pleasure |
| 21:39.53 | cogwheel | meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow |
| 21:40.41 | kd3 | reminds me of my cat when she's late getting fed |
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| 21:44.29 | alestane | "...too many players still view the primary role of the tank to stack avoidance and mitigation and then complain when their threat is low because they avoided all dps stats." |
| 21:46.42 | Kraps | warrior q&a is pretty sad :/ |
| 21:47.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, the $CLASS Q&A from the developers sucks. |
| 21:47.39 | alestane | Funny thing is, from a purely flavor standpoint, I would expect Fury to be weighted toward two-handers and Arms to be weighted toward dual-wielding, rather than the other way around. |
| 21:48.01 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-07-16-n41.html |
| 21:49.56 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, I dunno, few things are more furious than whaling on some dude with two six-foot-long axes |
| 21:50.23 | ZorbaTHut | flavor-wise I always saw it as Arms dealing with precision and expert skill with a weapon |
| 21:50.35 | ZorbaTHut | and Fury just going crazy and destroying things with bladed steel |
| 21:51.43 | alestane | ZorbaTHut: Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Titan's Grip. |
| 21:51.50 | alestane | And that one is fairly fury. |
| 21:52.01 | Adys | Anyone has safari 4 ? |
| 21:52.10 | Adys | mac os or windows idc |
| 21:52.15 | ZorbaTHut | oh, so do I :) |
| 21:52.40 | nicoli_s | i do adys |
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| 21:52.55 | alestane | But when GC says "screaming barbarians in woad", I think more of someone with a claymore than a pair of daggers or something, and Fury is VERY strongly canted toward dual-weld at the moment. |
| 21:53.04 | Adys | nicoli_s: http://db.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 21:53.08 | Adys | can you open the web inspector |
| 21:53.11 | Adys | and hover the menus? |
| 21:53.23 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I suppose that's true |
| 21:53.28 | alestane | I'd like to see a niche for fury warriors waving a big axe over their heads and arms warriors parrying with a weapon in each hand. |
| 21:53.40 | ZorbaTHut | I agree with you pre-wrath Fury, though I think current Fury is more barbarian than Arms is |
| 21:54.02 | nicoli_s | makes em get all bunched together adys |
| 21:54.08 | Adys | cheers nicoli_s |
| 21:55.44 | nicoli_s | np |
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| 21:58.54 | alestane | That, I find amusing...this fellow on the forums is trying to get the hang of Lua and/or, and he wants to set a CVar to 1 if both of two values are 1 and to 0 if either of them is zero; turns out the fastest way to do this in Lua is not a logical operator at all, but (a * b). |
| 21:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:01.09 | alestane | I seem to remember that the relationship between AND and OR in pure boolean arithmetic is considered VERY similar to the relationship between TIMES and PLUS in numerical arithmetic. |
| 22:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Very |
| 22:02.25 | alestane | The identity value for the additive operation always yields itself in the productive operation, regardless of the other operand. |
| 22:03.23 | alestane | if (a or b) == a then assert( (b and c) == b) end |
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| 22:04.22 | Nuckin | I hate bug squashing days |
| 22:04.42 | foxlit | New plan: do not make errors in the first place. |
| 22:04.54 | Nuckin | haha |
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| 22:05.04 | Nuckin | my addon works for me but other people break it |
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| 22:10.48 | Adys | new plan: dont release it to other people |
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| 22:11.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | also, Adys, go install a VNC viewer |
| 22:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I have this VM with IE, FF, Chrome, Opera, and Safari installed :P |
| 22:12.09 | foxlit | The more interesting subset of that is "do not add functionality you will not use" |
| 22:12.44 | foxlit | People keep handing me bug reports concerning features that I do not use, but are theoretically there. Lack of testing == qq. |
| 22:13.12 | Adys | What'd you call a rp/decorative item (that may cost a lot) like griftah's? |
| 22:13.13 | Adys | one word |
| 22:13.27 | foxlit | "Junk" |
| 22:13.42 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, I do that all the time :( |
| 22:13.51 | Adys | nah, more like something around decorative |
| 22:14.12 | foxlit | But if it's not visual, you're better off not messing with the synonyms of decorative. |
| 22:14.16 | foxlit | "Flavour", perhaps. |
| 22:14.22 | Adys | ah there yeah |
| 22:14.22 | Adys | thanks |
| 22:16.54 | Nuckin | well i continued a dead addon, so people expect every single feature of the old addon to remain, but I change and add and remove features to my liking |
| 22:21.13 | Pneumatus^^ | why not just create your own addon? |
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| 22:26.37 | alestane | Question for people who understand the guts of Lua...does a metatable reference on a table or userdata increase the memory used to store the object? |
| 22:27.24 | alestane | Or do they always have a spot reserved for that reference? |
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| 22:30.26 | foxlit | lua> a, b = {}, {}; collectgarbage("stop"); c = collectgarbage("count"); setmetatable(a,b); print(collectgarbage("count")-c); |
| 22:30.40 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0 |
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| 22:31.08 | cbreak | might not be valid |
| 22:31.13 | cbreak | if tables preallocate general space |
| 22:31.20 | foxlit | Indeed, I get a different result while running different code. |
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| 22:32.02 | foxlit | I wonder if there's something special about the interactive mode of the interpreter. |
| 22:32.23 | foxlit | > setmetatable(a,t); > return collectgarbage("count"); results in incrementing numbers when repeated. |
| 22:33.06 | cbreak | it probably stores the output of an execution |
| 22:33.14 | foxlit | where; why? |
| 22:33.15 | cbreak | at least the state is the same |
| 22:33.27 | cbreak | for successive commands |
| 22:33.30 | alestane | Looks like userdata have a pointer to a metatable, which is just NULL if they have no metatable. |
| 22:33.53 | alestane | So it should not affect the consumption of the individual userdata. |
| 22:34.00 | foxlit | cbreak: I don't think you can backreference to anything you've done previously |
| 22:34.31 | foxlit | And input string storage is probably not handled by Lua; though I'm really assuming things. |
| 22:34.33 | cbreak | yeah, but it's loaded into the state |
| 22:34.39 | cbreak | the code that is |
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| 22:36.05 | cbreak | and while you might not be able to reference it, it's still there until it gets gced I think |
| 22:37.55 | cbreak | you'd probably not notice an increase if you did the same on one line only |
| 22:38.04 | foxlit | actually, I do |
| 22:38.07 | cbreak | weird |
| 22:38.14 | foxlit | Just return collectgarbage("count") results in about 0.5 |
| 22:38.34 | foxlit | er, misreading that |
| 22:39.28 | cbreak | then my guess is some allocation in "print" |
| 22:39.36 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 22:40.30 | cbreak | local a, b, c, d, e = collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"); print(a, b, c, d, e) gives three times the same number |
| 22:40.39 | cbreak | (five) |
| 22:40.53 | cbreak | but with individual prints it increases |
| 22:43.04 | Duman | lol, I incited forum rage |
| 22:43.11 | Duman | well, not exactly, I guess |
| 22:43.25 | Duman | just got hate mail for telling people they were wrong |
| 22:43.44 | foxlit | What were they wrong about? |
| 22:44.22 | Duman | stuff on the bug forum... nothing all that interesting, really :P |
| 22:44.27 | Duman | just made me laugh is all |
| 22:44.39 | Duman | people get all sorts of bent out of shape |
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| 22:51.37 | cogwheel | Duman: get me a job there or send me some food plox XD |
| 22:51.51 | cogwheel | wtb your cafeteria |
| 22:52.04 | Torhal | cogwheel: A plox on ye! |
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| 23:12.14 | Dagmar | Forums need a karma system that cheats |
| 23:12.46 | Dagmar | Something that pretends to take uprank/downrank info, but really just ignroes everyone who wasn't blessed by green/blue text users karma rankings |
| 23:13.18 | Dagmar | ...and then the blessed users's karma uprank/downranks will be counted |
| 23:13.33 | Dagmar | ...which should keep rickrolls off the top for awhile anyway |
| 23:14.23 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/tag/i/not-available/? |
| 23:14.25 | Adys | hurray |
| 23:15.35 | foxlit | Hrm, perl regular expressions |
| 23:15.43 | foxlit | I wonder why [.\n]+ doesn't consume everything |
| 23:16.19 | Dagmar | Because + isnt' a greedy-match operator |
| 23:16.58 | foxlit | Is that a guess? |
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| 23:18.28 | foxlit | The actual answer is much more evil: . has no special meaning inside a character class. |
| 23:18.44 | End | it shouldn't |
| 23:18.56 | End | you want something like (.|\n)+ |
| 23:18.56 | foxlit | But the perl . is "everything but newline" |
| 23:19.29 | Gnarfoz | Adys: now sigrie just needs a modelviewer ;p |
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| 23:20.06 | Gnarfoz | Adys: also, I recently looked at wotlk beta screenshots where I was running weagle ;D |
| 23:20.40 | foxlit | End: that works. |
| 23:21.08 | foxlit | I'm annoyed, though: it really "should" be [.\n]*, not (.|\n)* |
| 23:21.25 | End | most characters lose their special meaning inside [] |
| 23:22.09 | Thunder_Child | anyone know if outputing a signal to a TV from a computer via a disk in a drive, does the system do any processing of the signal before it is sent? |
| 23:22.16 | End | you could probably do something like [!-.], which makes sense |
| 23:22.31 | Aqua | yea, the pc does the processing |
| 23:22.37 | foxlit | That's when you'd use \ \ \ \ :) |
| 23:22.46 | End | well |
| 23:22.47 | foxlit | Though perhaps their way is better. |
| 23:23.23 | End | [] is just a way to define custom classes. I guess they didn't want it to include existing classes |
| 23:23.23 | Aqua | Thunder_Child: what are you trying? |
| 23:23.31 | End | and ?+* don't make sense |
| 23:23.47 | foxlit | Sure. . does, however :) |
| 23:23.53 | Thunder_Child | Aqua, a friend wants to sitck a BD drive in his computer and output it via HDMI to a tv |
| 23:23.57 | End | that's one of the few that could |
| 23:24.08 | Aqua | I do that |
| 23:24.12 | foxlit | There's also all of the \s style stuff, but that works. |
| 23:24.23 | Thunder_Child | so i need to know how good of a system is required for good througput |
| 23:24.28 | End | does all the \s stuff work? well, I guess my theory is wrong :P |
| 23:24.40 | Aqua | depends, if you have a video card does has a dedicated h264 decoder |
| 23:24.42 | Thunder_Child | throughput* |
| 23:25.06 | Aqua | my blu-ray on my 1080p 240 hz samsung lcd looks just as good off my pc as it does off my ps3 |
| 23:25.08 | Thunder_Child | Aqua, is there no dedicated HDMI PCI card? one that sends both audio and video? |
| 23:25.26 | Gnarfoz | you'd need a card with hdmi output, yes |
| 23:25.28 | Aqua | yea, almost all the newer video cards, send audio and video together, but your gonna run into problem |
| 23:25.43 | Aqua | because a lot of the tv's don't do dts / ac3 passthrough |
| 23:25.44 | Gnarfoz | which would probably your video card, which would also have a sound input connection of some kind |
| 23:25.52 | Gnarfoz | which is where it's going to get messy ;< |
| 23:26.01 | Aqua | nah, a lot of the modern video cards have a a sound chip built in |
| 23:26.08 | Gnarfoz | which is even worse, lol :D |
| 23:26.20 | Aqua | i know all the ATI cards have an HDMI audio driver that can pass DTS / AC3 through HDMI |
| 23:26.35 | Aqua | shit, mine will even do WMA pro to my pioneer reciever |
| 23:26.41 | Gnarfoz | oh well, that sounds reasonable, I guess I'm stuck at the early days of HDMI still |
| 23:26.54 | Aqua | yea, Gnarfoz: the newer stuff is pretty tight |
| 23:27.11 | Aqua | Thunder_Child: I can give you a run of my system specs with my blu-ray drive |
| 23:27.16 | Aqua | if you want a good base line? |
| 23:27.23 | Thunder_Child | Aquam that would be helpfull |
| 23:27.25 | Gnarfoz | of course the entire concept is there to just annoy the hell out of consumers, but you gotta make do with what's there it seems |
| 23:27.29 | Thunder_Child | s/m/,/ |
| 23:27.30 | Aqua | hold on a second, let me log in |
| 23:28.14 | Adys | Gnarfoz: wanna code me a modelviewer? |
| 23:28.14 | Gnarfoz | what it comes down to quite probably really is just the video card then |
| 23:28.20 | Gnarfoz | Adys: oh hell no :X |
| 23:28.24 | Aqua | you have to have a decent CPU still Gnarfoz: |
| 23:28.27 | Gnarfoz | Adys: (not that I'd be able to do that) |
| 23:28.34 | Gnarfoz | Aqua: what for, really? :\ |
| 23:29.14 | Aqua | off hand, i don't remember, but know you can't run any of the blu-ray softwares even with hardware decoders with less than a dual core |
| 23:29.19 | Gnarfoz | at least in theory, there shouldn't be much left to do that'd require a "beefy" cpu |
| 23:29.31 | Aqua | you don't need a quad, but you need a dual core |
| 23:29.34 | Aqua | hold on, i'll brb |
| 23:29.36 | Gnarfoz | well, can you still buy single-cores? :> |
| 23:29.38 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 23:30.07 | Gnarfoz | (atom Z* or whatever need not apply, they're weak as hell anyway ;)) |
| 23:30.25 | Gnarfoz | so... is UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED somehow new? |
| 23:30.42 | Adys | might be added for the new loot bop trade thing |
| 23:30.52 | Gnarfoz | I recall using BAG_UPDATE way back in vanilla days |
| 23:31.26 | foxlit | INVENTORY is what they usually call equipment slots |
| 23:32.04 | Gnarfoz | right, it's in ActionButton.lua, too |
| 23:32.19 | Gnarfoz | CanHearthAndResurrectFromArea() ? D: |
| 23:33.55 | Gnarfoz | what's with the changes where the only change is that a explanatory comment is removed? oO someone was bored I guess |
| 23:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | or that's automated |
| 23:35.03 | Gnarfoz | which still leaves "why" ;p |
| 23:35.12 | Gnarfoz | -ACHIEVEMENT_TOOLTIP_COMPLETE = "Achievement earned by %1$s on %2$d/%3$02d/20%4$02d"; -- 1 - name 2 - month 3 - day 4 - year <-- stuff like that |
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| 23:35.42 | Aqua | Thunder_Child, where you want this specs? |
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| 23:36.05 | Aqua | *these |
| 23:36.08 | Thunder_Child | Aqua, doesnt matter |
| 23:36.31 | Ycarene | Wait, there's areas you can't hearth away from? |
| 23:38.44 | Adys | nicoli_s: still got safari? |
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| 23:42.30 | Gnarfoz | Ycarene: apparently |
| 23:42.42 | Gnarfoz | blargh, this is as annoying as the big getglobal diff |
| 23:43.15 | Gnarfoz | needs filtering if new line = old line - comment -> don't display :X |
| 23:53.38 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz thats for WG |
| 23:53.51 | Shadowed | where you can "leave" the battlefield while dead and res at your hearthstone |
| 23:53.53 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: I thought so, from the context |
| 23:53.58 | Shadowed | or maybe it's forced to dalaran something like that |
| 23:54.10 | Gnarfoz | oh btw |
| 23:54.21 | Gnarfoz | nice recent changes to your UF mod, coming along great :) |
| 23:55.19 | Gnarfoz | noticed some things today, though, got a minute? ;) |
