| 00:00.01 | Arrowmaster | since when can you change skin tone via the barbershop? |
| 00:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | since 3.2 |
| 00:00.12 | Duman | since 3.2 |
| 00:00.12 | Esamynn | my understanding is that it is a temp measure, they are planning on revisiting the block mechanic as a whole |
| 00:00.13 | Duman | damn, I'm slow |
| 00:00.13 | Esamynn | Arrowmaster: since 3.2 |
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| 00:00.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: not as slow as Esamynn :) |
| 00:00.30 | Duman | lol :) |
| 00:00.35 | Esamynn | I had extra chars to type :P |
| 00:00.36 | Arrowmaster | so whats the purpose of character recustomization now? just genderswap? |
| 00:00.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: yeah, thats my understanding too, still a nice measure |
| 00:00.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: pretty much |
| 00:00.45 | Esamynn | Arrowmaster: face change |
| 00:00.49 | KarlKFI | why, because it's useless to block 1200 when bosses do 50,000 dmg per swing? |
| 00:01.12 | Esamynn | KarlKFI: exactly |
| 00:01.44 | KarlKFI | sounds about right.... that's why i've always gone for the avoidances and only have 1 piece of block rating gear... |
| 00:01.58 | ZorbaTHut | it'd probably work better if it was basically probabalistic armor |
| 00:02.07 | ZorbaTHut | x% chance of reducing incoming damage by y% |
| 00:02.15 | Esamynn | that's one idea |
| 00:02.21 | Esamynn | I guess we just have to wait and see |
| 00:02.33 | KarlKFI | meh, they should just make it avoidance. |
| 00:02.44 | KarlKFI | except that would make me invincible |
| 00:02.49 | Esamynn | lol |
| 00:03.11 | KarlKFI | since i was already unhittable pre-ulduar |
| 00:03.16 | KarlKFI | all blocks |
| 00:03.31 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 00:04.12 | KarlKFI | i like the block sound, it's more funt han parry or dodge, but it's so useless |
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| 00:04.35 | drfuzzykins | I like the way it makes my Shield Slams hit harder *shrug* |
| 00:04.44 | drfuzzykins | but that's just blv :P |
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| 00:05.22 | KarlKFI | hmm, what if they make block a full avoidance with chance to stun you |
| 00:05.36 | Esamynn | yuck |
| 00:05.38 | Syzgyn | That would suck |
| 00:05.41 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 00:06.04 | KarlKFI | i would take only spell dmg until a stun proc'd |
| 00:06.16 | Esamynn | ~lart KarlKFI |
| 00:06.16 | purl | blasts KarlKFI with a huge firehose then strangles KarlKFI with it |
| 00:06.31 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 00:06.31 | purl | Esamynn: aw, gee |
| 00:06.40 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, did you read the vindication change? |
| 00:06.50 | Duman | nerf |
| 00:06.53 | KarlKFI | what about..... block 50% of dmg |
| 00:07.13 | KarlKFI | then at least it would scale |
| 00:07.31 | Esamynn | Duman: didn't you hear, Paladins only GET nerfs |
| 00:07.37 | Esamynn | buffing paladins is always a mistake |
| 00:07.40 | Esamynn | or a bug |
| 00:07.53 | KarlKFI | nah buffing pallies just mean innevitable nerf later |
| 00:08.17 | KarlKFI | the designers liek to buff us, btu then succumb to everyone elses nerd rage QQ |
| 00:08.21 | Thunder_Child | well it went nerf -> change |
| 00:09.04 | KarlKFI | meh, i dont care about the vindication change TC. it still doesn't effect warlocks which pwn the wtf out of me |
| 00:09.12 | Thunder_Child | point |
| 00:09.30 | KarlKFI | i need some way to defend against confligration |
| 00:09.31 | Thunder_Child | though as far as i can tell 46 AP lost is not a big deal when you can hit 4K |
| 00:09.48 | Thunder_Child | unless it stacks |
| 00:09.59 | KarlKFI | and god damn metamorphisis making them invincible. |
| 00:10.10 | KarlKFI | can we fear then when demon'd? |
| 00:10.18 | End | yes |
| 00:10.25 | KarlKFI | i can never time it, i should get the instacast fear |
| 00:10.31 | End | well, I dunno if turn evil still works |
| 00:10.34 | End | they keep changing it |
| 00:10.50 | End | but normal CC effects that don't care -or- work with demons work |
| 00:10.58 | KarlKFI | but i pvp and pve int he same glyph set, and it sucks in pve |
| 00:11.22 | KarlKFI | if i had a 3rd spec i'd be all over it |
| 00:11.40 | Esamynn | keep dreaming |
| 00:11.49 | KarlKFI | they said they might eventually |
| 00:11.55 | Esamynn | lol |
| 00:11.56 | Esamynn | not exactly |
| 00:12.05 | KarlKFI | IN MY DREAMS THEY DID! |
| 00:12.12 | Esamynn | I'm sure |
| 00:12.49 | KarlKFI | yeah, so dk/ret/disc was doing pretty well, except that every time we came against a warlock we lost |
| 00:13.06 | KarlKFI | and if it was warlock ms war we were doubly fucked |
| 00:13.34 | KarlKFI | but then our priest gquit |
| 00:13.52 | KarlKFI | alogn with 5 other elitists who thoguht they could do better |
| 00:13.57 | bleeter | so I ain't looked at 3.2PTR notes much, just glanced.. but lemme guess STILL no 'dance studio'/dancing furbolg?? |
| 00:14.11 | Arrowmaster | "The ravasaur trainer Mor'vek has returned to Un'Goro and will offer to help Horde players raise and train a Venomhide Ravasaur as a mount... if they can survive the creature's deadly poison." |
| 00:14.16 | Arrowmaster | AFTER HOW MANY FUCKING YEARS! |
| 00:14.42 | Thunder_Child | calm down |
| 00:14.45 | Thunder_Child | horide |
| 00:14.54 | bleeter | horrid lol |
| 00:15.12 | KarlKFI | hordie, imo |
| 00:15.19 | Legorol | still no enGB PTR :*( QQ |
| 00:16.39 | Adys | can someone in the US try this? http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php |
| 00:16.42 | Adys | does it work |
| 00:17.00 | Thunder_Child | works fine |
| 00:17.06 | Duman | works here |
| 00:17.10 | Arrowmaster | "Embroideries improved." yay? |
| 00:17.18 | Arrowmaster | they were kinda useless before |
| 00:17.20 | Duman | yeah they buffed self-only stuff |
| 00:17.20 | Syzgyn | Alchemy changes make me happy in the pants |
| 00:17.23 | Duman | sme for LW |
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| 00:17.34 | laeg | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=9521029810&sid=1 |
| 00:17.38 | laeg | envenom macro |
| 00:17.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah but i thought the tailoring stuff was almost so useless that cloak enchants were better |
| 00:18.01 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: not since they fixed thme, making tailoring the best caster cloak enchant |
| 00:18.10 | NeoTron | or rather making tailoring the best caster profession |
| 00:18.24 | Arrowmaster | oh? when did the fix them? |
| 00:18.41 | Arrowmaster | because when i stoped raiding they where fucking useless |
| 00:22.01 | NeoTron | 3.1 maybe |
| 00:22.17 | Thunder_Child | you mean that holy thing? |
| 00:22.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:23.02 | Thunder_Child | i like the cheap 2g pants thing but thats about it |
| 00:23.13 | KarlKFI | they buffed all self only stuff, except BS, which get buffed by the gem upgrades |
| 00:23.43 | NeoTron | KarlKFI: met with massive QQ |
| 00:23.48 | NeoTron | which I find lolworthy |
| 00:25.20 | Codayus | Mmm, IIRC at launch, the best tailoring cloak enchant was for mana regen, whereas the only good normal cloak enchant was haste. For some classes/specs, the mana regen was clearly better. |
| 00:26.16 | Arrowmaster | im a warlock, why do i need mana regen |
| 00:26.37 | Codayus | In...3.1 they changed one of the useless cloak enchants (lightweave) to a spell power proc which IIRC is quite good for almost everyone. |
| 00:26.51 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 00:26.53 | Arrowmaster | that is good |
| 00:27.10 | End | yeah |
| 00:27.14 | Arrowmaster | it was some shitty 2k holy damage proc on like a 45sec internal cooldown i thought |
| 00:27.17 | End | they buffed the one in 3.1 |
| 00:27.21 | End | yeah |
| 00:27.24 | End | it was that |
| 00:27.34 | Codayus | 250 sp for 15s, with a proc and cooldown of uh.... |
| 00:27.40 | End | the shadow one is still mana regen |
| 00:27.50 | End | and the spellweave one is...some melee one? :o |
| 00:28.00 | Arrowmaster | 15s duration would emply a 45sec cooldown |
| 00:28.06 | Codayus | Yeah, still 45s internal cooldown, don't think they changed the proc chance. |
| 00:29.04 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim |
| 00:29.08 | Codayus | So call it kinda sorta 75 static spell power. That's better than 23 haste in most situations, I think. :-p |
| 00:29.14 | Arrowmaster | for an idea of how long ago i quit raiding |
| 00:29.23 | Adys | is anyone good at javascript around here? |
| 00:29.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont even have the supperior achievement |
| 00:29.45 | Codayus | :( |
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| 00:38.03 | Zyndrome | https://home.novint.com/store/promote.php |
| 00:38.15 | Zyndrome | heh, Valve added support in their games just now for it :/ |
| 00:38.27 | Zyndrome | looks cool but ... a mouse is fine too |
| 00:38.28 | bleeter | Legorol: imo dd if=/dev/enUS-PTR.exe |sed s/US/GB/>enGB.exe |
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| 00:43.01 | Dagmar | I have trouble believing that it's force feedback can realistically represent a shotgun |
| 00:43.12 | Dagmar | Their demo model didn't get his wrist broken firing like a ponce. |
| 00:43.49 | Zyndrome | that'd suck though |
| 00:44.18 | Zyndrome | "SON OF A BITCH, IT BROKE MY WRIST! - What did you do? - Hit a tree in BF2 with my tank." |
| 00:44.31 | Dagmar | "Yeah well, you're lucky you can still walk." |
| 00:44.52 | Dagmar | There's only one thing a pistol grip needs to model well to make a fortune... |
| 00:45.07 | Dagmar | ...and that's the feel of pistol whipping a hooker in GTA. |
| 00:49.48 | Corrodias | best feeling in the world |
| 00:51.01 | Thunder_Child | is it really that difficult for a program to remember it's position upon closing |
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| 00:51.15 | Legorol | bleeter: unfortunately doesn't work, the clients have some localization, so the binaries are different |
| 00:51.34 | Legorol | bleeter: nice try though, extra points |
| 00:51.36 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: no they arent |
| 00:52.10 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: do you mean to suggest that the enUS WoW.exe is bit for bit identical to the enGB one? |
| 00:52.28 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:52.35 | Legorol | hmm |
| 00:52.35 | Arrowmaster | they are 100% the same |
| 00:52.49 | Arrowmaster | the only difference is whats in the Data directory for localizations |
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| 00:53.37 | Legorol | that's cool |
| 00:53.38 | Arrowmaster | the patchers are different though and will have a fit if they dont find the exact localizations they are looking for |
| 00:53.48 | Legorol | so what are the patchers looking for? |
| 00:54.01 | Legorol | other than directory names, do they check specific files' contents? |
| 00:54.32 | Arrowmaster | the us patchers check for all localazations and will error if you have any other than enUS and esMX because the patcher doesnt have it |
| 00:54.44 | Arrowmaster | same with enGB |
| 00:55.06 | Arrowmaster | if you dont have an enGB it will bitch, if you have an enUS it will bitch |
| 00:56.04 | Nechckn | Anyone know why the class of NPCs is not right? Any official word, ever, on why they are all war or mag, no matter what? |
| 00:56.27 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: yah i get that, i was wondering *what* it is that the patchers check |
| 00:56.29 | Arrowmaster | before the current launcher, the old one didnt have a localization setting in it for enUS but it really did, it was just hidden if you didnt have any other localizations |
| 00:56.49 | Legorol | i.e. which files does it look at |
| 00:57.13 | Arrowmaster | i had enUS esES frFR deDE and koKR all in my launchers localization list |
| 00:57.17 | Legorol | presumably just renaming the directories and the MPQs aren't enough |
| 00:57.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah i doubt just renaming would work |
| 00:57.43 | Legorol | uhm... localization list in the launcher? |
| 00:57.46 | Legorol | cool, i didn't know that existed |
| 00:57.54 | Legorol | where is it? |
| 00:58.07 | Legorol | does the launcher show you this list if you have more than one locale? |
| 00:58.11 | laeg | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=9521029810&sid=1 |
| 00:58.23 | laeg | can someone have a look at that and see if they can work out why envenom only procs sometimes? |
| 00:58.28 | Arrowmaster | in the current launcher its in options, game preferences |
| 00:58.42 | Arrowmaster | at the bottem |
| 00:58.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont know if it shows if you only have 1 |
| 00:59.09 | Dagmar | laeg: Because one or more of the previous abilities is triggering the GCD. |
| 00:59.35 | Legorol | laeg: i don't even understand the question. Envenom is a player cast ability. How can it "proc" |
| 01:00.17 | Dagmar | "Noyoucannotmakestunlockaonebuttoncombo," |
| 01:00.38 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: it's not showing, so that'd be a no |
| 01:00.59 | Legorol | Dagmar: maybe I misunderstood something, can you clarify laeg's question for me? |
| 01:01.08 | Legorol | what does he mean by Envenom proccing? |
| 01:01.48 | Dagmar | I'm assuming it's newbspeak for "activate" |
| 01:02.32 | Dagmar | ...because it definitely doesn't "proc". |
| 01:03.09 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 01:03.21 | Legorol | in that case, alternative possible explanation: because the user is holding down Alt only sometimes? |
| 01:03.29 | Legorol | does the user of the macro understand the usage of it? |
| 01:03.54 | Dagmar | ...or because the victim doesn't have any poisons affecting them. |
| 01:04.00 | Legorol | understanding the ability helps too |
| 01:04.07 | Legorol | right, we identified three possibilities, should be enough |
| 01:04.13 | Dagmar | Yip |
| 01:06.56 | Thunder_Child | we should require high level math problems to weed out stupid people on the forums |
| 01:07.00 | Thunder_Child | like 1+1 |
| 01:07.22 | Dagmar | You'll want to use words instead of numbers. |
| 01:07.27 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: wouldn't work, the forums would become empty and our favourite mods will be out of jobs |
| 01:07.29 | Dagmar | Otherwise they'll just paste that into Google. |
| 01:07.39 | Legorol | you wouldn't want that to happen to them in the current economic atmosphere, would you? |
| 01:07.57 | Dagmar | Granted, it'll mean they'll be typing something other than types of porno into the search box, which my be scary and confusing for them, but it's something. |
| 01:08.05 | Thunder_Child | Legorol, wouldnt bother me |
| 01:08.15 | Legorol | btw, can someone remind me what happens in a macro like /cast Nature's Swiftness /cast Healing Touch, if NS is on cooldown? |
| 01:08.20 | Legorol | does the macro fail and HT not cast? |
| 01:08.45 | Dagmar | I think so |
| 01:08.56 | Wobin | http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/06/great-hunter-race/ |
| 01:09.00 | Dagmar | For stuff like that you should use /castsequence partly for that reson |
| 01:09.05 | Wobin | now -this- is thinking outside the box =) |
| 01:09.13 | Arrowmaster | in that case i thought since NS isnt on the global cooldown it would still work |
| 01:09.22 | Legorol | Dagmar: how does /castsequence help with that? |
| 01:09.40 | Arrowmaster | castsequence would fail even more for that |
| 01:09.43 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: my understanding was that a fail stops a macro, and being on cooldown is a fail |
| 01:09.52 | Arrowmaster | wrong |
| 01:09.56 | Legorol | hmm |
| 01:10.01 | Legorol | but then it would allow fall-through macros |
| 01:10.15 | Legorol | what about GCD abilities that are on cooldown? |
| 01:10.20 | Arrowmaster | the global cooldown started by trying to cast any spell on the global cooldown, even if it fails, is what stops the macro |
| 01:10.23 | Wobin | NS isn't on the GCD |
| 01:10.25 | Legorol | example: /cast Whirlwind /cast Bloodthirst |
| 01:10.36 | Legorol | aha |
| 01:10.39 | Legorol | oki, got it, thanks |
| 01:10.42 | Dagmar | If they start having fail-through macros there's going to be a LOT of IWIN buttons again |
| 01:10.51 | kd3 | what the hell... still |
| 01:10.56 | kd3 | "Please enable JavaScript" |
| 01:10.57 | Dagmar | I'd rather like having Kill Shot back in my button |
| 01:10.58 | kd3 | how about "no" |
| 01:11.21 | Legorol | Dagmar: i just looked at the macro again, and i can't see any GCDs prior to Envenom |
| 01:11.23 | Legorol | can you? |
| 01:12.00 | bleeter | Legorol: you may also need to s/yard/meter/ or something |
| 01:12.10 | bleeter | soz, had to afk still reading some scrollback |
| 01:12.44 | Dagmar | Legorol: No offense man, but I don't care enough for rogues to bother looking up all those things to be sure |
| 01:13.20 | Dagmar | Legorol: That would be some of the tedium that people should be willing to suffer through uncomplainingly if they want an IWIN button they can push with their face. |
| 01:15.31 | Dagmar | I'm still leaning on "victim has no poison" |
| 01:16.43 | bleeter | remotely enables JS on kd3's browsers |
| 01:16.59 | kd3 | if you could pull it off in wine_gecko I'd be impressed |
| 01:17.11 | Adys | exploits a security flaw in bleeter's remote-enabling software |
| 01:17.25 | Adys | kd3: actually this one's half fixed |
| 01:17.28 | Adys | just click the menu |
| 01:17.32 | Adys | change language twice |
| 01:17.34 | Adys | and its back |
| 01:17.39 | kd3 | oh wow. neat |
| 01:17.47 | bleeter | I don't even know what page/s site/s you guys are on about lol |
| 01:17.52 | bleeter | just talking my usual crap :P |
| 01:18.03 | Adys | bleeter: patcher.exe |
| 01:18.05 | kd3 | still, grr at them still not showing patch notes... |
| 01:18.06 | Adys | under wine |
| 01:18.11 | bleeter | oh that |
| 01:18.12 | kd3 | the 0.2.0 ptr patch |
| 01:18.13 | bleeter | yeah |
| 01:18.17 | bleeter | eedjets |
| 01:18.44 | bleeter | kinda as stupid how half the launcher or patcher will launch default browser, other half will forcibly open IE |
| 01:18.57 | Adys | i just spent over 2 hours being pissed at someone else's javascript |
| 01:18.58 | Thunder_Child | hands bleeter a talking crap club membership card |
| 01:19.09 | Adys | and then i found out someone wasnt including the css file.. |
| 01:19.11 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I'm an honorary life member! |
| 01:19.25 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, there is no honor.... |
| 01:19.26 | bleeter | dont need no stinking card |
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| 01:19.55 | Legorol | bleeter: it's not a choice |
| 01:20.02 | Legorol | it gets burnt to your forehead |
| 01:20.21 | bleeter | hmm well if anyone would know about talking crap, it'd be Legorol |
| 01:20.27 | bleeter | so I guess I must defer to his superior crap |
| 01:20.34 | bleeter | :P |
| 01:20.38 | Legorol | indeed |
| 01:20.48 | Legorol | my crap pwns your crap! especially on wednesdays |
| 01:21.02 | bleeter | yeah I just have the advantage of being able to crap before you |
| 01:21.09 | Legorol | QQ |
| 01:21.09 | Thunder_Child | go get some S.H.I.T. then you will be at my level |
| 01:21.15 | Legorol | aren't you EU as well, bleeter? |
| 01:21.21 | bleeter | Legorol: .au |
| 01:21.30 | Legorol | damn you aussie, you do get to crap before me |
| 01:21.36 | Legorol | but at least it's cold down there this time of year, ha! |
| 01:21.51 | bleeter | 8 deg. C at the moment here... :P |
| 01:21.56 | Legorol | >.< |
| 01:22.01 | Legorol | in june? |
| 01:22.06 | bleeter | Tasmania |
| 01:22.08 | Legorol | almost july |
| 01:22.24 | Legorol | they got internet in Tasmania? i thought they only got that cartoon character, whatsitcalled |
| 01:22.25 | bleeter | which is half the reason I don't take BS lightly, we're rather straight up no bollocks kinda place |
| 01:22.27 | AnduinLothar | Download Not Authorized FAIL |
| 01:22.35 | kd3 | yay for patch mirrors on wowwiki |
| 01:22.54 | bleeter | call a spade a fucking tool to dig with |
| 01:23.02 | bleeter | etc |
| 01:24.24 | Legorol | damn, this is what you get for raiding a lot in TBC... leveling my ex-main and at 76 i still haven't gotten an upgrade out of a quest |
| 01:24.56 | kd3 | whew... 45k files in the 1.2GB patch |
| 01:25.10 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/20000/alexanders-test-periodic-aura/ |
| 01:25.13 | Adys | they change it |
| 01:25.16 | Adys | every fucking patch |
| 01:25.45 | Thunder_Child | alexander cant make up his mind? |
| 01:27.16 | kd3 | yay at the patch being done, finally |
| 01:27.21 | kd3 | now for some datamining goodness |
| 01:28.02 | Thunder_Child | pokes kd3, datamine rapido! |
| 01:28.58 | Thunder_Child | mas rapido* |
| 01:29.44 | Arrowmaster | http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25682518-12377,00.html |
| 01:29.47 | Arrowmaster | those crazy germans |
| 01:30.25 | AnduinLothar | there's no mac mirror for the incremental ptr patch... |
| 01:30.35 | AnduinLothar | the supplied torrent is fubar |
| 01:31.06 | kd3 | poking the source for those now |
| 01:33.03 | AnduinLothar | mac forums says it's nto availible because the servers aren't up yet |
| 01:35.23 | Thunder_Child | $75 for a 64GB flash drive |
| 01:35.29 | Thunder_Child | not a bad deal |
| 01:36.39 | Thunder_Child | though it does seem to have sold out almost immediately |
| 01:39.44 | Legorol | you know, i still remember my first IBM compatible PC... it had 32 *MEGA*bytes of HDD space |
| 01:39.51 | Adys | kd3: what's the patch url again? |
| 01:39.54 | Adys | for enUS |
| 01:39.57 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck, the UI diff has changes in the BindingUI that adds BUTTON6 through BUTTON15 |
| 01:40.00 | Legorol | you now get a tiny widget with 2000 times as much solidstate storage |
| 01:40.02 | Legorol | crazy times |
| 01:40.13 | Adys | Arrowmaster: joystick support? |
| 01:40.35 | Arrowmaster | since when the fuck has any input api that games used given them more than 5 mouse buttons? |
| 01:40.36 | kd3 | hugs his mx revolution |
| 01:40.56 | Adys | kd3: meh |
| 01:41.06 | Adys | the charger is itchey |
| 01:41.16 | Adys | I need to tweak it a lot before i get the thing to charge |
| 01:45.19 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, http://www.woot.com/ |
| 01:45.31 | tekkub | woot! |
| 01:45.38 | tekkub | they seem to have a large supply of that |
| 01:45.53 | tekkub | makes one question if it's really any good |
| 01:45.57 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/Patch32 |
| 01:46.03 | kd3 | keep tabs. lots more coming soon |
| 01:47.07 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
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| 01:47.10 | Arrowmaster | -resultStr = _G["ACTION_SPELL_PERIODIC_LEECH_RESULT"]; --"($extraAmount $powerType Gained)" |
| 01:47.10 | Arrowmaster | +resultStr = format(_G["ACTION_SPELL_PERIODIC_LEECH_RESULT"], nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, CombatLog_String_PowerType(powerType), nil, extraAmount) --"($extraAmount $powerType Gained)" |
| 01:47.14 | Arrowmaster | they finally fixed that |
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| 01:48.35 | Arrowmaster | although i question why they are using format instead of strreplace |
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| 01:50.05 | Arrowmaster | +++ 0.2.0.10026/AddOns/Blizzard_DebugTools/Blizzard_DebugTools.lua2009-06-23 16:21:43.000000000 -0400 |
| 01:50.09 | Arrowmaster | *boggle* |
| 01:51.09 | Arrowmaster | for k, v in ipairs({...}) do |
| 01:51.11 | Arrowmaster | THE HORROR! |
| 01:51.29 | Arrowmaster | IN AN ONEVENT! |
| 01:52.35 | Arrowmaster | kd3: look at 1415-1431 of that diff...... who the fuck wrote this |
| 01:53.39 | Arrowmaster | i really should apply for that lua programmer job |
| 01:56.01 | Arrowmaster | return string.format('"%s"', val); |
| 01:56.13 | Arrowmaster | does somebody not know about %q? |
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| 01:58.59 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: did you have anything to do with this Blizzard_DebugTools? |
| 02:01.11 | NightHawkTheSane | did you check the toc for it? |
| 02:01.54 | tekkub | oh yea, I need to see what these "debug tools" are |
| 02:02.05 | Arrowmaster | i did check the toc |
| 02:02.24 | Arrowmaster | +## Special Thanks: Iriel, Kirov, Esamynn |
| 02:02.42 | Arrowmaster | Dump.lua is devtools dump virbatem |
| 02:02.45 | tekkub | is it just iriel's devtools? |
| 02:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | more or less. |
| 02:02.54 | Arrowmaster | i hope the hell its not |
| 02:03.00 | tekkub | aw, I dun like devtools' dump |
| 02:03.01 | Arrowmaster | because some of the code is fucking horible |
| 02:03.21 | Arrowmaster | look at lines 1415-1431 in the diff |
| 02:03.49 | Arrowmaster | and why does devtools have a function that does nothing but return nil |
| 02:03.53 | tekkub | function EventTraceFrame_OnUpdate (self, elapsed) |
| 02:03.54 | tekkub | EventTraceFrame_Update(); |
| 02:03.54 | tekkub | end |
| 02:04.01 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.09 | Torhal | Ugh |
| 02:05.51 | tekkub | spew is like 1/3 the size of dump, and it's output is prettier if I do say so myself, I do, you're right self that is nice |
| 02:05.57 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: and i agree, devtools dump is ugly |
| 02:06.37 | laeg | dagmar, Legorol: is there any reason it wouldn't "activate" (i thought proc was any attack action) apart from me not pressing alt and the target already having poison on them? could me doing a kidney shot shortly before it cause this? i mean a few seconds before... |
| 02:06.38 | tekkub | and spew could always output to chatframe instead of the panel with some tiny tweaks |
| 02:06.57 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid session locking up |
| 02:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish I knew why it did that :/ |
| 02:08.02 | Legorol | laeg: "proc" is something that is triggered, through random chance or some other action. For example, a weapon that says something like "Equip: each of your melee strike has a chance to inflict 10 additional damage" is said to have a proc. |
| 02:08.17 | Legorol | When an attack "procs", it deals extra damage. |
| 02:08.34 | tekkub | I just proced my pants |
| 02:08.46 | Legorol | see, tekkub illustrated an incorrect use of proc |
| 02:09.01 | tekkub | sorry, my pants just proced |
| 02:09.04 | tekkub | that better? |
| 02:09.16 | Legorol | and what did your pants proc? |
| 02:09.31 | tekkub | do you really want to know? |
| 02:09.46 | Legorol | it's probably full of it, so no |
| 02:10.19 | tekkub | hrm.. so the debug tools also have some sort of error catcher |
| 02:10.21 | Legorol | anyway, laeg: no, doing a kidney shot shortly before shouldn't affect your ability to use the macro |
| 02:10.25 | tekkub | I wonder if it's any good... |
| 02:10.41 | Legorol | (I don't know enough about rogues, so i have no idea how kidney shot relates to envenom as such, but the macro itself should work) |
| 02:11.13 | Arrowmaster | doing a kidney shot right before would remove all your combo points |
| 02:11.19 | Legorol | the macro should successfully cast Envenom in every case where you could ordinarily use |
| 02:11.21 | Legorol | *use it |
| 02:11.21 | Arrowmaster | so envenom wouldnt work |
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| 02:11.57 | Legorol | right. that's got to do with rogue abilities then (of which i know nothing), and not the macro |
| 02:12.12 | Legorol | omg, we got a guest op |
| 02:12.14 | Legorol | someone's haxoring |
| 02:12.26 | Arrowmaster | unless its changed envenom uses both deadly poison stacks and combo points |
| 02:15.58 | Dagmar | It's the new and improved Stealth Shirik |
| 02:17.24 | Arrowmaster | +<OnMouseUp> |
| 02:17.24 | Arrowmaster | +self:GetParent():Click(button); |
| 02:17.24 | Arrowmaster | +</OnMouseUp> |
| 02:17.30 | Arrowmaster | in a statusbar, fucking cheaters |
| 02:18.42 | batrick | Monitor turns off -> Need arises to restart computer -> Terminal did not open (Alt + F1) -> types "sudo shutdown -P now; <password>" in IRC |
| 02:18.44 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.47 | batrick | Head -> Desk |
| 02:19.03 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.15 | kd3 | nifty. a new "Features" panel in the UI options window |
| 02:22.31 | kd3 | wonders if [flyable] is finally going to work properly in dalaran/wintergrasp |
| 02:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: unlikely, but they did note that you can fly high enough over dal/wg to not be dismounted. so they probably just capped the height |
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| 02:30.04 | Torhal | ...which makes no sense. Why is flyig disallowed over Dalaran anyway? |
| 02:30.11 | Torhal | flying* |
| 02:30.31 | Arrowmaster | they dont want flying mounts crowding the city |
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| 02:38.52 | Pytlask | Does anybody know if something like the Elder TourGuide addon has been made for the fires? |
| 02:38.58 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 02:39.35 | lucky | hey, two quick questions: would a mod which triggers on the "stealth sound" and does something visual be against the ToS, and if not, is it possible to code? |
| 02:39.48 | Arrowmaster | not possible |
| 02:40.07 | lucky | like how i get a red border when i start to pull too much aggro, maybe a blue (or whatever) border, or something like that. |
| 02:40.14 | Pytlask | Oh, my bad, looks like a couple versions of Fire Festival AddOns have been posted since I checked a couple days ago :D |
| 02:40.43 | lucky | hrm :/ |
| 02:44.32 | lucky | well that sucks, ty |
| 02:45.27 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: there was something special about detecting reloadui for warmup right? some methods of reloading couldnt be detected? |
| 02:45.41 | tekkub | the console can't |
| 02:45.47 | tekkub | you have to hook ReloadUI() |
| 02:45.53 | tekkub | and console doesn't call it |
| 02:45.53 | Arrowmaster | +SlashCmdList["RELOAD"] = function(msg) |
| 02:45.53 | Arrowmaster | +ConsoleExec("reloadui"); |
| 02:45.53 | Arrowmaster | +end |
| 02:46.06 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.10 | tekkub | that's in the NEW code? |
| 02:46.16 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: summon zoot for us |
| 02:46.23 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: yes in the diff |
| 02:46.35 | tekkub | ReloadUI() has been around since I started writing addons! |
| 02:46.39 | Arrowmaster | +SlashCmdList["DUMP"] = function(msg) |
| 02:46.39 | Arrowmaster | +UIParentLoadAddOn("Blizzard_DebugTools"); |
| 02:46.39 | Arrowmaster | +DevTools_DumpCommand(msg); |
| 02:46.39 | Arrowmaster | +end |
| 02:46.42 | tekkub | cause warmup was my first real one |
| 02:46.51 | lucky | no UI hook for if a sound has been played? |
| 02:46.58 | kd3 | lucky; nope |
| 02:47.02 | Arrowmaster | lucky: no, NOT POSSIBLE |
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| 02:47.50 | lucky | Arrowmaster: you don't have to yell |
| 02:47.53 | Guest30190 | omfg |
| 02:47.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Guest30190] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.01 | Guest30190 | sitting here trying to figure out why I have so much lag; I'm still connected to company's VPN |
| 02:48.07 | Guest30190 | very difficult to play ulduar over vpn |
| 02:48.25 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 02:48.25 | NightHawkTheSane | lucky: when he already answered once, he probably does. |
| 02:48.28 | kd3 | this is where I point and laugh |
| 02:49.26 | lucky | NightHawkTheSane: some random person says "no" so i ask why it's not possible, etc. and that deserves this treatment? |
| 02:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | he's not really some random person. |
| 02:49.45 | Shirik | ok what did I miss |
| 02:50.09 | Shirik | <-- some random person |
| 02:50.13 | Arrowmaster | Funkeh`: so ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler now has a 12th arg, guid, no more localizations for bossmods period? |
| 02:50.19 | NightHawkTheSane | amd upi dodm |
| 02:50.27 | Arrowmaster | Funkeh`: boss name localizations i mean |
| 02:50.28 | NightHawkTheSane | and you didn't ask why, you just reiterated the same, already answered, question. |
| 02:50.45 | Funkeh` | how do you figure that |
| 02:50.54 | Funkeh` | when we have a gui to localize |
| 02:51.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah but the bossmods can still work now whenever the localization teams decide to randomly rename shit |
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| 02:53.03 | Funkeh` | I dont see how that api affets bw at all |
| 02:53.12 | lucky | NightHawkTheSane: nah, i asked <lucky> no UI hook for if a sound has been played? |
| 02:53.18 | lucky | but thanks for being so tremendously unhelpful |
| 02:53.29 | lucky | i'm just trying to be able to play this game |
| 02:53.31 | *** part/#wowuidev lucky (n=lucky@unaffiliated/lucky) |
| 02:53.46 | Arrowmaster | see if i was +o i would ban him |
| 02:54.16 | Dagmar | If I were God I'd handicap his kids. |
| 02:54.34 | Duman | PTR forum is open: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=11572 |
| 02:55.00 | Arrowmaster | +local regex = "^(([^%s]+)%s+)([^%s]+)" |
| 02:55.05 | Arrowmaster | god damn thats fucking ugly |
| 02:55.12 | Duman | regex is awesome |
| 02:55.29 | Dagmar | It's only ugly if you're not used to regexps |
| 02:55.42 | Arrowmaster | i am used to lua patterns |
| 02:55.45 | Arrowmaster | that is ugly |
| 02:55.46 | Thunder_Child | "lucky: i'm just trying to be able to play this game" what...he cant play it now? |
| 02:55.56 | Xinhuan | what did he ask for? |
| 02:56.02 | Dagmar | Get used to them because without libMsCleo.so there's no more elegant way to go about those sorts of things |
| 02:56.13 | Arrowmaster | "10:39:35p (lucky) hey, two quick questions: would a mod which triggers on the "stealth sound" and does something visual be against the ToS, and if not, is it possible to code?" |
| 02:56.19 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: A good slappin' |
| 02:56.26 | Arrowmaster | i said no, and he said "that sucks" |
| 02:56.39 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 02:57.20 | Dagmar | I'm still wondering what "this treatment" was supposed to be, other than a blatant passive-aggressive jab |
| 02:57.38 | Dagmar | Three people answered with concise and *correct* answers. |
| 02:57.41 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: at the very least they should have used "((%S+)%s+)(%S+)" to not be so ugly |
| 02:57.42 | Dagmar | Promptly. |
| 02:58.09 | kd3 | ...wha? they didn't clear copies!? |
| 02:58.13 | kd3 | ponders |
| 02:58.38 | cogwheel | anyone have a ui extract yet? |
| 02:58.46 | kd3 | emails went out a few hours ago |
| 02:58.48 | kd3 | you not on my list? |
| 02:58.51 | cogwheel | nope |
| 02:59.20 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Probably they didn't know about %S, but still they were being explicit about "space" and "not space" |
| 02:59.40 | Duman | hmm |
| 02:59.59 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i pointed out their broken patterns before that havent even been valid syntax |
| 03:00.10 | Adys | help me |
| 03:00.14 | Adys | my name is blizzard updater |
| 03:00.18 | Adys | i fail at math |
| 03:00.21 | Dagmar | I'm personally wondering why the first two patterns are even grouped |
| 03:00.22 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, is that regex from extracted default UI? |
| 03:00.22 | Adys | will someone teach me math? |
| 03:00.24 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.39 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: yes from the new autocomplete |
| 03:00.47 | Xinhuan | what's new about it? |
| 03:00.56 | Xinhuan | able to tab complete name in the chat edit box? |
| 03:01.16 | Dagmar | There *MAY* be a reason they're not using %S, like perhaps, bugs in handling of UTF-8/UTF-16 stuff for furrin' regions |
| 03:01.26 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no |
| 03:01.29 | Xinhuan | i doubt that |
| 03:01.36 | Xinhuan | since names cannot contain spaces of any kind |
| 03:01.42 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 03:01.55 | Arrowmaster | and there is zero difference between [^%s] and %S |
| 03:01.59 | Arrowmaster | ones just ugly |
| 03:02.08 | Xinhuan | unless russian names are special |
| 03:02.40 | Arrowmaster | speaking of utf8, their arena team slash commands were broken for everybody that didnt use pure ascii names for the longest time |
| 03:02.44 | Arrowmaster | something else i pointed out |
| 03:03.02 | Arrowmaster | since those patterns used %w and such and werent even correct pattern syntax |
| 03:03.10 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: It's possible that one of the major glyphs happens to have dec(32) as it's second octet |
| 03:03.18 | Dagmar | Hence, "bugs" |
| 03:03.24 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no |
| 03:03.27 | Xinhuan | Dagmar, what is the autocomplete supposed to complete? |
| 03:03.29 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: not possible |
| 03:03.34 | Xinhuan | i thought it was just player names? |
| 03:03.49 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Forbidden in the UTF specs somehow? |
| 03:04.00 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you dont know very much about utf8 specifics do you |
| 03:04.10 | Dagmar | I try to let code deal with that stuff when it happens |
| 03:04.27 | Dagmar | Mostly I just have to deal with untangling bullsh*t files made by companies that like to use wchar |
| 03:04.40 | Tem | wheee dpsing on hodir is fun |
| 03:04.54 | Dagmar | It's not like UTF-8 requires everything to only be one octet wide |
| 03:04.58 | kd3 | zomg, an "Interact with Target"/"Interact with Mouseover" keybind |
| 03:05.04 | Arrowmaster | utf8 multibyte characters are composed of very specific regions of numbers above 128 |
| 03:06.16 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:06.24 | kd3 | ~/ptr/WTF/badaddons.wcf |
| 03:06.37 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utf8#Description |
| 03:06.44 | Dagmar | I know how to use Wikipedia, thanks. |
| 03:07.06 | Arrowmaster | notice how the 128 bit is set on all multibyte chars |
| 03:07.12 | Dagmar | I actually had to pull it up several times over the last two weeks to sort out some of the insanity in Sims 3's data files |
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| 03:08.19 | Dagmar | ...hence my general disgust at the idea of looking it up again |
| 03:09.18 | Dagmar | It didn't help my mood that Maxis has got fields nested within fields, nested within even more fields |
| 03:09.38 | Arrowmaster | why would you even have Sims 3? |
| 03:09.45 | Dagmar | To bring EVIL to it. |
| 03:10.40 | Xinhuan | kd3, new banned addons? |
| 03:11.06 | Dagmar | At the moment I've got a script running that'll (after many freaking hours) hopefully return to me a list of all objects by human-readable names, and all assets related to them. |
| 03:11.19 | kd3 | xin, yep |
| 03:11.24 | Dagmar | I'm gonna need that to add bondage lingerie. |
| 03:11.26 | Arrowmaster | whats banned? |
| 03:11.29 | Arrowmaster | or can you not read it? |
| 03:11.38 | kd3 | you'll need a hex editor |
| 03:11.38 | kd3 | sec |
| 03:11.52 | Arrowmaster | i have many |
| 03:12.06 | Arrowmaster | you should know this by now |
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| 03:15.14 | Arrowmaster | kd3: thats not readable |
| 03:15.21 | kd3 | indeed |
| 03:15.42 | kd3 | did you unzip to a 484 byte file? |
| 03:15.45 | kd3 | that's all I've got |
| 03:16.04 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:16.12 | Arrowmaster | and its mostly repeated sequences |
| 03:21.31 | Pytlask | Anybody have the realmlist for PTR? |
| 03:21.53 | Arrowmaster | 1 byte (01), 3 null bytes, 16 bytes, same 16 bytes, 4 bytes, 4 null bytes, 1 byte (02), 3 null bytes, 16 same bytes, same 16 bytes, 4 bytes, 4 null bytes, 1 byte (03), 16 same bytes, same 16 bytes, .... |
| 03:22.19 | Arrowmaster | the 16 bytes is the same every time until the last sequence (0B) |
| 03:22.44 | Arrowmaster | the 4 bytes after the 16 byte sequence is the same in sequences 02-0A |
| 03:23.55 | Arrowmaster | and the final sequence isnt two sets of the same 16 bytes but a single unique 32 byte sequence |
| 03:26.17 | Legorol | hm, that's a new one... "Error retrieveing character list" |
| 03:27.01 | Legorol | those of you who have the 0.2.0 ptr patch, what state was your client in before you started downloading it? |
| 03:27.12 | Legorol | did you have the copy from the last ptr (0.1.3)? |
| 03:27.33 | Legorol | is the 0.2.0 ptr patch incremental from 0.1.3? |
| 03:27.41 | Legorol | or can it be applied to a fresh install of the PTR client |
| 03:28.33 | Legorol | by fresh install i mean the thing that the downloader available from the character copy page downloads, "3.0.1.8874 EU PTR Installer" in my case |
| 03:29.43 | Legorol | Hm, I don't get this. I have a PTR client with upgrade path: 3.0.1 installer -> 0.1.2 -> various minor 0.1.2 builds |
| 03:30.03 | Legorol | and when i try to log in, i manage, i see the realms, but they are red (wrong version?) and i don't get offered a download |
| 03:31.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> "\212\29\140\217" |
| 03:31.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Ԍ٠|
| 03:33.10 | Duman | holy mother this patch takes a while |
| 03:35.08 | Legorol | strange thing is, realm pop is listed as Medium, as if some europeans are on the PTR already |
| 03:35.08 | Legorol | and i have no idea where/how they got the patch |
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| 03:36.40 | Legorol | Duman: from what i have seen it's a full content patch that gets you from 3.0 to 3.2, therefore it includes all of Ulduar as well |
| 03:36.41 | Duman | yeah, seems like it |
| 03:37.22 | Duman | 1.2G or whatever |
| 03:37.22 | Duman | sighs |
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| 03:37.27 | Duman | what a waste... they should have released an incremental from 3.1.2 :( |
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| 03:39.48 | cogwheel | gently pats his 18mbps |
| 03:43.45 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: when did they kill tekKompare? |
| 03:43.47 | Arrowmaster | +BIND_TRADE_TIME_REMAINING = "You may trade this item with players that were also eligible to loot this item for the next %s."; -- Time remaining to trade a bound item. Example: You may trade this item with players that were eligible to loot this item for the next 1 hour 30 minutes. |
| 03:44.07 | tekkub | kill? |
| 03:44.21 | tekkub | and it's about fucking time they made items have a bind timeout |
| 03:44.26 | Arrowmaster | <OnTooltipSetItem> |
| 03:44.26 | Arrowmaster | if ( IsModifiedClick("COMPAREITEMS") or |
| 03:44.27 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.27 | Arrowmaster | -GameTooltip_ShowCompareItem(1); |
| 03:44.28 | Arrowmaster | +GameTooltip_ShowCompareItem(self, 1); |
| 03:44.56 | tekkub | dunno, never saw that setting |
| 03:45.04 | tekkub | *logs in* |
| 03:45.14 | Fisker | so ZorbaTHut |
| 03:45.14 | sacarasc | cogwheel: You can live with internets that slow? :o |
| 03:45.17 | Fisker | you're officially fucked |
| 03:45.18 | Fisker | http://www.wow.com/2009/06/23/patch-3-2-will-show-quest-objectives-on-the-world-map/ |
| 03:45.31 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: no hes not |
| 03:45.37 | Arrowmaster | that doesnt give an arrow to follow |
| 03:45.47 | Arrowmaster | how the hell will people know where to go without an arrow |
| 03:45.51 | tekkub | what file is that arrow? |
| 03:45.54 | Fisker | That's jnwhiteh's area of expertise :P |
| 03:46.12 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: GameTooltip.xml |
| 03:46.28 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: yeah but what about the shortest distance calculations? |
| 03:46.29 | Thunder_Child | ...reading wow.com for good information is like reading apple.com for good information about windows |
| 03:46.41 | Duman | heh |
| 03:46.57 | NightHawkTheSane | reading wow.com is like stabbing yourself in the eye with a broken bottle of coors light. |
| 03:47.04 | tekkub | Arrow... Build 9614.... |
| 03:47.30 | Fisker | the cat says no Arrowmaster |
| 03:47.30 | Arrowmaster | 3.1.3.9947/FrameXML/GameTooltip.xml |
| 03:47.46 | Fisker | also |
| 03:47.46 | tekkub | 9614 was when the line was added |
| 03:47.51 | Fisker | I WANT MY PTR PATCH |
| 03:47.52 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 03:48.24 | Shirik | XT hard mode deaded |
| 03:48.25 | tekkub | digging up the diff now |
| 03:48.25 | Shirik | wheee |
| 03:48.36 | Shirik | (25 |
| 03:48.43 | ZorbaTHut | what, "in the general area"? that's the best they can do? |
| 03:48.52 | ZorbaTHut | man, I was hoping they'd at least do areas |
| 03:49.16 | tekkub | 9614 was in 3.1.0, so it's recent |
| 03:49.25 | Fisker | bah Shirik |
| 03:49.54 | Fisker | We took FL 4 towers on sunday, Iron Council, Hodir and Thorim yesterday |
| 03:50.02 | Fisker | already took XT some weeks ago |
| 03:50.55 | sacarasc | We've not even killed Mimiron on heroic yet. |
| 03:50.58 | sacarasc | *flex* |
| 03:51.29 | tekkub | Arrowmaster: I don't see anywhere where you can set that cvar |
| 03:51.47 | *** join/#wowuidev `-FISKER_Q (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 03:51.56 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: go add it to tekKompare and make tekKompare even shorter? |
| 03:51.56 | Shirik | bad Fisker |
| 03:52.00 | Shirik | have you killed Yogg? |
| 03:52.03 | `-FISKER_Q | rage |
| 03:52.06 | `-FISKER_Q | sure Shirik |
| 03:52.10 | tekkub | so they *started* to add it, then got distracted by shinies |
| 03:52.12 | Shirik | so what |
| 03:52.14 | Shirik | we had server first |
| 03:52.16 | Shirik | I don't care |
| 03:52.19 | tekkub | I probably will :) |
| 03:52.21 | `-FISKER_Q | :o? |
| 03:52.37 | Arrowmaster | +KEY_BUTTON15 = "Mouse Button 15"; |
| 03:52.45 | Arrowmaster | seriously what the fuck input api are they using? |
| 03:52.59 | Shirik | wouldn't be surprised if it was windows |
| 03:53.00 | tekkub | just like how they added a third compare tip for glyphs, but then never implement glyph compares |
| 03:53.15 | Shirik | Who the hell has 15 mouse buttons |
| 03:53.16 | Shirik | though |
| 03:53.24 | `-FISKER_Q | maybe it's for that wow mouse :P |
| 03:53.25 | kd3 | hugs his mx revolution |
| 03:53.27 | Arrowmaster | ive never seen a game that supported more than 5 buttons |
| 03:53.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:53.32 | tekkub | I'm sure there's a gamer's mouse out there that does |
| 03:53.42 | Shirik | points at kd3 |
| 03:53.48 | Arrowmaster | people bought some shitty 15 button wow mouse |
| 03:53.59 | Shirik | so hang on |
| 03:54.07 | Shirik | they bought 15 button mouse designed for wow |
| 03:54.12 | Shirik | before wow supported 15 buttons? |
| 03:54.13 | tekkub | 5 is all I've ever needed, and both browsing and in wow I rarely touch the 5th |
| 03:54.21 | tekkub | #4 gets an assload of use though |
| 03:54.27 | tekkub | more than leftmouse sometimes |
| 03:54.28 | Arrowmaster | somebody at blizz probably went 'oh our ui doesnt support more than 5 lets fix that' without thinking about if the game supported more than 5 |
| 03:54.31 | Shirik | I use 3 buttons in wow and a 4th for vent |
| 03:54.45 | Shirik | And with that I have EVERY spell I need bound |
| 03:54.51 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yeah there was a bunch of forum posts about it QQ |
| 03:54.52 | tekkub | I just don't talk on vent, problem solved :) |
| 03:54.52 | Shirik | I just use a lot of modifiers |
| 03:55.05 | tekkub | mic is muted and outbound is disabled |
| 03:55.11 | Shirik | as healing lead I kinda have to :/ |
| 03:55.19 | Shirik | "yo wtf wrong wit u" |
| 03:55.23 | Shirik | except a bit nicer |
| 03:55.23 | Arrowmaster | +LFG_TYPE_ANY_DUNGEON = "Any Dungeon"; |
| 03:55.23 | Arrowmaster | +LFG_TYPE_ANY_HEROIC_DUNGEON = "Any Heroic Dungeon"; |
| 03:55.23 | Arrowmaster | LFG_TYPE_BATTLEGROUND = "Battleground"; |
| 03:55.23 | Arrowmaster | +LFG_TYPE_DAILY_DUNGEON = "Daily Dungeon"; |
| 03:55.24 | Arrowmaster | +LFG_TYPE_DAILY_HEROIC_DUNGEON = "Daily Heroic Dungeon"; |
| 03:55.28 | Arrowmaster | TOOK THEM LONG ENOUGH |
| 03:55.50 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | freaking finally |
| 03:55.56 | `-FISKER_Q | i wonder if they took some time to actually add support to be able to see what the daily heroic, etc. is |
| 03:56.33 | Arrowmaster | well im just looking at globalstrings |
| 03:56.38 | Arrowmaster | they might not have actually added it yet |
| 03:57.06 | Arrowmaster | +OPTION_TOOLTIP_SHOW_ITEM_LEVEL = "Display item level in the tooltip for certain items."; |
| 03:57.13 | Adys | rofl |
| 03:57.14 | Adys | awesome |
| 03:57.14 | Arrowmaster | like i did not see that in gametooltip.lua |
| 03:57.17 | `-FISKER_Q | why only certain items? :o |
| 03:57.19 | Adys | the new rogue set name |
| 03:57.20 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/is/857/vancleefs-battlegear/ |
| 03:59.49 | Arrowmaster | +SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_65 = "Only GMs may use that. Your account has been reported for investigation."; -- There's no actual reporting feature. It's there to scare the user. Yes, I am that evil. |
| 04:00.03 | Arrowmaster | fucking win |
| 04:00.56 | `-FISKER_Q | hah |
| 04:01.06 | `-FISKER_Q | i wonder if that's when you do port/worldport |
| 04:01.21 | `-FISKER_Q | or maybe GM items have been fixed to only work on gm characters |
| 04:01.34 | `-FISKER_Q | Though then a report would make sense so atleast the item can be removed |
| 04:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think that will end well |
| 04:06.01 | `-FISKER_Q | licks Arrowmaster |
| 04:07.10 | Fisker | Dispels that "resist" doesn't actually show up as resisted right? |
| 04:07.42 | Fisker | licks Arrowmaster |
| 04:08.40 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: yeah tekKompare is almost dead |
| 04:08.42 | Arrowmaster | +<GameTooltip name="ItemRefShoppingTooltip1" frameStrata="TOOLTIP" hidden="true" parent="UIParent" inherits="ShoppingTooltipTemplate"/> |
| 04:08.43 | Arrowmaster | +<GameTooltip name="ItemRefShoppingTooltip2" frameStrata="TOOLTIP" hidden="true" parent="UIParent" inherits="ShoppingTooltipTemplate"/> |
| 04:08.43 | Arrowmaster | +<GameTooltip name="ItemRefShoppingTooltip3" frameStrata="TOOLTIP" hidden="true" parent="UIParent" inherits="ShoppingTooltipTemplate"/> |
| 04:08.54 | tekkub | I mentioned that like half an hour ago |
| 04:09.06 | tekkub | someone there is ADD, they started it then just stopped |
| 04:09.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730194168&sid=1&pageNo=4#63 |
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| 04:11.19 | Duman | putt putt download |
| 04:12.20 | Fisker | I will destroy the world if the eu PTR isn't up nao |
| 04:12.24 | Fisker | or the patch atleast is |
| 04:12.35 | Stanzilla | Fisker: you can start |
| 04:12.46 | Stanzilla | genkidama is ready |
| 04:13.52 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: ok so now if you move the mouse over ItemRefTooltip and hold shift the comparison tips show up |
| 04:14.43 | Arrowmaster | but theres no check for that cvar to always show for ItemRefTooltip like there is for GameTooltip |
| 04:16.28 | Arrowmaster | holy shit, group loot frames now show an itemcount when its for a stack of items! |
| 04:17.20 | Arrowmaster | +local numItems, totalItems = GetInboxNumItems(); |
| 04:17.31 | Arrowmaster | wonder if totalItems is limited to 50 or if it shows the real total |
| 04:17.50 | tekkub | ... |
| 04:17.58 | tekkub | have you been gone for like, a year? |
| 04:18.09 | Arrowmaster | half a year.... |
| 04:18.14 | tekkub | ah, okey |
| 04:18.17 | Arrowmaster | and im looking at the ui diff, this is changes |
| 04:18.53 | Arrowmaster | +if ( totalItems > numItems) then |
| 04:18.54 | Arrowmaster | +InboxTooMuchMail:Show(); |
| 04:18.54 | Arrowmaster | +else |
| 04:18.54 | Arrowmaster | +InboxTooMuchMail:Hide(); |
| 04:18.54 | Arrowmaster | +end |
| 04:18.58 | Arrowmaster | that answers my question! |
| 04:23.48 | Fisker | you telling me i got too much mail? |
| 04:23.51 | Fisker | preposterous |
| 04:25.50 | tekkub | it's official |
| 04:25.55 | tekkub | MS finally lost it |
| 04:25.58 | tekkub | http://www.email-standards.org/blog/entry/microsoft-to-ignore-web-standards/ |
| 04:27.03 | Fisker | notices how there are no web standard but that it is merely a term made up by users |
| 04:27.12 | Fisker | >:3's as well |
| 04:27.19 | Stanzilla | Adys: http://db.mmo-champion.com/is/857/vancleefs-battlegear/ < 404 when I click on "item sets" |
| 04:27.32 | Adys | ow |
| 04:27.33 | Adys | thanks |
| 04:27.50 | Adys | tho itemsets listings arent supposed to be "live" |
| 04:27.55 | Adys | theyre unprocessed still |
| 04:28.01 | Adys | cf http://db.mmo-champion.com/itemsets |
| 04:28.03 | Stanzilla | ok :) |
| 04:28.47 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: "Remember, for a second, that every other email client on the market today uses a web browser to render HTML email." the people that created this site are morons |
| 04:29.09 | Thunder_Child | note to self, stop fliping over HDD while they are in use |
| 04:29.38 | tekkub | they are? |
| 04:29.41 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:29.46 | tekkub | whyso? |
| 04:29.56 | Arrowmaster | seriously who the fuck uses html emails |
| 04:30.19 | tekkub | companies that send not-spam, |
| 04:30.24 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 04:30.34 | Fisker | html emails are spam |
| 04:30.35 | Arrowmaster | multiple organizations block any emails that contain html |
| 04:30.49 | Thunder_Child | newegg, gamespot, etc. just to name a few |
| 04:31.33 | tekkub | hell the app I work on for dining reservations sends HTML emails |
| 04:31.40 | tekkub | and I have no choice in that matter |
| 04:31.50 | tekkub | it's just a simple table, but it is html |
| 04:32.44 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@c-76-107-188-90.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 04:33.00 | Arrowmaster | and if i was to ever use that app and i couldnt read it with html disabled (some clients including mine do transform simple pages into plain text) i would nolonger use your company |
| 04:33.35 | tekkub | it's not my company |
| 04:33.38 | tekkub | it's a client :P |
| 04:33.49 | Arrowmaster | i would no longer use said client |
| 04:33.51 | tekkub | hence how I have no choice |
| 04:34.04 | tekkub | and I doubt you'd use it in the first place :) |
| 04:34.15 | tekkub | it's for richy richy country clubs |
| 04:34.36 | tekkub | fuck, the clubs still use IE6 so I have to program the site to work with that shit |
| 04:35.11 | Arrowmaster | what makes you think i dont attent richy richy country clubs, other than my contant bitching about how poor i am |
| 04:35.35 | tekkub | gee, I dunno |
| 04:35.42 | tekkub | :P |
| 04:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe that's why he's poor |
| 04:36.10 | ScytheBlade1 | All the country clubs :P |
| 04:36.21 | kd3 | yay... 3 levels of tier 9 gear |
| 04:36.33 | tekkub | oh god... |
| 04:36.45 | Arrowmaster | heroic 10man and normal 25man the same? |
| 04:36.58 | tekkub | we're going to have 9.25 9.5 and 9.75 aren't we? |
| 04:37.05 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster ? |
| 04:37.14 | tekkub | I just want to stab people when I see "T7.5" |
| 04:37.30 | kd3 | #1: <famous person's> <set type> of Conquest, #2: <famous person's> <set type> of Triumph, #3: Heroic <famous person's> <set type> of Triumph |
| 04:38.11 | Arrowmaster | we already know the rogues is vancleef, whos the warlock? |
| 04:38.16 | Stanzilla | Guldan |
| 04:38.16 | kd3 | KT |
| 04:38.20 | Stanzilla | and KelThuzad |
| 04:38.22 | Stanzilla | there are 2 sets |
| 04:38.24 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/<Class>_sets |
| 04:38.32 | kd3 | er, |
| 04:38.36 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Template:<Class>_sets |
| 04:38.40 | Stanzilla | I wonder if they are doing horde/alliance sets -.- |
| 04:38.48 | kd3 | I'm finishing getting all of the templates updated now |
| 04:39.00 | Arrowmaster | most hordes dont know or care about vancleef |
| 04:39.27 | tekkub | *sigh* |
| 04:39.57 | tekkub | "T9-10-H" |
| 04:40.01 | tekkub | I can see it now... |
| 04:40.13 | Fisker | why must Blizzard fuck up all their ptr patches? |
| 04:40.13 | tekkub | they never should have used the tier names |
| 04:40.17 | kd3 | I'm going to call them t9-1, t9-2, t9-3 |
| 04:40.24 | kd3 | on the wiki everywhere, if I can help it |
| 04:40.26 | tekkub | just call it the "Argent tourny set" |
| 04:40.35 | kd3 | first one to put them up gets naming rights... >.> |
| 04:40.53 | tekkub | kd3, T9a T9b and T9c would probably be better |
| 04:41.16 | tekkub | that's how the BC dungeon sets were named on the wiki and they weren't bad |
| 04:41.28 | tekkub | better than "7.10" |
| 04:41.53 | Arrowmaster | those are alternates of the same level |
| 04:42.22 | Arrowmaster | using a numbered suffix shows that ones better than the other |
| 04:42.35 | Stanzilla | shaman set is the name of alliance npc, so is priest |
| 04:42.43 | Stanzilla | I still think they are doing horde/alliance sets |
| 04:42.49 | Arrowmaster | shaman? |
| 04:42.50 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 04:42.54 | kd3 | so... someone get on a horde toon and see |
| 04:42.59 | Stanzilla | shaman is "Nobundo" |
| 04:43.08 | Stanzilla | priest is "Velen" |
| 04:43.50 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, 3 t9 sets? how the hell are they split? |
| 04:43.50 | Fisker | Blizzard is gonna get powershelled because i'm too lazy to install vs :( |
| 04:43.52 | kd3 | hokay, all 10 templates are updated with the set names, at least |
| 04:43.54 | tekkub | arrow, so does letters though |
| 04:43.57 | tekkub | a < b < c |
| 04:44.07 | Stanzilla | best example is mage |
| 04:44.16 | kd3 | nhts; [00:37:30] <kd3> #1: <famous person's> <set type> of Conquest, #2: <famous person's> <set type> of Triumph, #3: Heroic <famous person's> <set type> of Triumph |
| 04:44.17 | Stanzilla | khadgar for alliance and sunstrider for horde |
| 04:44.43 | tekkub | seriously, drop the damn "tier" blizzy... |
| 04:44.44 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: er, so 10, 25, and 25-heroic? |
| 04:44.52 | tekkub | then we'd just have AT-1 AT-2 and AT-3 |
| 04:44.57 | kd3 | probably. 10-heroic should also be 25-regular |
| 04:45.00 | tekkub | ULD-10 ULD-25 |
| 04:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 04:45.08 | tekkub | NAXX-10 NAXX-25 |
| 04:45.14 | kd3 | levels 1 and 2 don't have costs associated with them yet |
| 04:45.22 | Arrowmaster | MC-40 |
| 04:45.32 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Khadgar%27s_Regalia |
| 04:45.34 | Arrowmaster | costs? |
| 04:45.35 | kd3 | mage set ^ |
| 04:45.42 | kd3 | as in, what set token is required |
| 04:45.52 | tekkub | just "MC", there's nothing else to differentiate it from :P |
| 04:45.57 | Stanzilla | kd3: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/june/sets_9.jpg < mage2 |
| 04:46.03 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: but what about the pants? |
| 04:46.15 | tekkub | MC < BWL < AQ40 < NAXX40 ... |
| 04:46.22 | tekkub | PANFS! |
| 04:46.34 | Arrowmaster | you for got ONY |
| 04:46.35 | tekkub | I thought the pants were still tier names |
| 04:46.38 | kd3 | stan; that's the third set, actually |
| 04:46.43 | kd3 | note the heroic tag |
| 04:46.51 | Stanzilla | I just meant..different name |
| 04:46.59 | tekkub | I'm just saying name the sets by the primary raid of the tier |
| 04:47.04 | Stanzilla | note that it's sunstrider |
| 04:47.06 | tekkub | instead of using "tier" |
| 04:47.08 | Stanzilla | not khadgar |
| 04:47.08 | kd3 | yes, yes, I know |
| 04:47.10 | kd3 | grrs |
| 04:47.14 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 04:47.20 | kd3 | goddamn it blizz, just have to make our lives difficult |
| 04:47.31 | tekkub | but but, they made gear simpler! |
| 04:47.38 | tekkub | so now there needs to be more of it! |
| 04:47.51 | tekkub | otherwise people won't think and they'll just take the new items! |
| 04:47.54 | tekkub | oh... wait... |
| 04:48.05 | kd3 | so... whee... up to 6 sets of tier 9 per class |
| 04:48.13 | kd3 | looks for more beer |
| 04:48.20 | Arrowmaster | kd3: can you make the entire page a template and change the names everywhere on the page depending on where it was called from? |
| 04:48.54 | kd3 | no. I'm probably just going to create the alliance version, then copypasta them to the horde version doing a global search and replace |
| 04:49.11 | Arrowmaster | but what about when somebody edits a page? |
| 04:49.36 | Arrowmaster | and i thought wikia was moving wowwiki away from the wowwiki domain? |
| 04:49.40 | kd3 | we'll sort something out. this is going to be untenable pretty quick |
| 04:49.46 | kd3 | no. we bitched loud enough to kill that |
| 04:50.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Gnarfoz (i=smallbra@geektour.de) |
| 04:50.17 | kd3 | that's why there's hella more ads now |
| 04:50.24 | tekkub | heh, yea we sent a big message to their advertisers |
| 04:50.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont see any ads |
| 04:50.38 | kd3 | turn off noscript. they're there, I promise |
| 04:50.43 | tekkub | fuck you if you can't figure out stats on multiple domains |
| 04:50.44 | Arrowmaster | id rather not |
| 04:53.19 | Fisker | bah |
| 04:53.29 | Fisker | even the webseed is slow as hell |
| 04:55.32 | Dagmar | Not only are they there, they'll SING to you when you least expect it |
| 04:55.38 | Dagmar | Like after you've jsut pissed on a campfire |
| 04:56.26 | Fisker | http://i43.tinypic.com/2iuch0i.jpg |
| 04:57.06 | Arrowmaster | what are you doing |
| 04:57.14 | Fisker | Downloading the ptr :o |
| 04:57.59 | Shirik | so those ankle brace things at walmart |
| 04:58.02 | Shirik | they really work |
| 04:58.06 | Fisker | naw |
| 04:58.54 | Fisker | bah |
| 04:59.10 | Fisker | Blizzard needs moar lube on those tubes |
| 04:59.57 | Shirik | ... |
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| 05:00.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Random (n=Denial@unaffiliated/windaria) |
| 05:00.36 | Fisker | Don't go there Shirik |
| 05:00.39 | Fisker | it's a series of tubes |
| 05:02.56 | Gnarfoz | +SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_65 = "Only GMs may use that. Your account has been reported for investigation."; -- There's no actual reporting feature. It's there to scare the user. Yes, I am that evil. |
| 05:03.00 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 05:03.02 | Arrowmaster | old |
| 05:03.26 | Fisker | indeed |
| 05:04.22 | kd3 | huh... hrothgar's landing is its own zone, tiny though it is |
| 05:04.31 | Shirik | that's pretty awesome Gnarfoz |
| 05:04.49 | Arrowmaster | kd3: where? |
| 05:04.56 | kd3 | north of the tournament |
| 05:05.08 | Gnarfoz | I was asleep the last 2 days, can't blame me for being lazy :p |
| 05:05.15 | Arrowmaster | theres something north of the tournament? |
| 05:05.21 | kd3 | as of the ptr, yes |
| 05:05.41 | Arrowmaster | amazing how places is the landscape just pop up out of nowhere |
| 05:05.54 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: You think maybe that error is tied to items like Martin Fury? |
| 05:06.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yes it is, and like i said old, i pasted this alrady |
| 05:06.16 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: that and other things, I'd say, yes |
| 05:06.22 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:WorldMap-HrothgarsLanding.jpg |
| 05:06.23 | Shirik | stfu I didn't see it |
| 05:06.28 | Shirik | unlike some people I have a job! |
| 05:06.36 | Gnarfoz | or can sleep all day, like me! |
| 05:06.38 | Shirik | .. |
| 05:06.41 | Arrowmaster | because you were an idiot and still connected to your vpn |
| 05:06.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:06.58 | kd3 | though I've gotta say... 'smallest zone ever' |
| 05:07.11 | Gnarfoz | and I have no damn scrollback because my hoster decided to relocate my server |
| 05:07.24 | Fisker | owned |
| 05:10.44 | Zyndrome | looking for a donor of blinds, cause curtains are not enough |
| 05:13.41 | Arrowmaster | --- var = If this is set use setglobal(varName, value) instead of setpoint |
| 05:13.42 | Arrowmaster | +-- var = If this is set use _G[varName] = value instead of setpoint |
| 05:13.46 | Arrowmaster | find replace ftw |
| 05:15.13 | Arrowmaster | +-- HACK: we have too many bars in this game now... |
| 05:15.15 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:15.47 | kd3 | oof at xkcd |
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| 05:17.46 | Zyndrome | 06:46.23 ( Fisker ) http://i43.tinypic.com/2iuch0i.jpg |
| 05:17.47 | Zyndrome | hah! |
| 05:17.53 | Zyndrome | 20 minutes here, and I just started |
| 05:18.03 | Fisker | hate |
| 05:18.12 | Fisker | us or eu? |
| 05:18.15 | Zyndrome | EU |
| 05:18.20 | Fisker | double hate |
| 05:18.24 | Zyndrome | delicious fiber connection :3 |
| 05:18.32 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:18.37 | Fisker | i have 20Mbit |
| 05:18.37 | Shirik | loves kd3 |
| 05:18.39 | Fisker | so that's not the issue |
| 05:18.40 | Shirik | XKCD is awesome today |
| 05:18.46 | Shirik | one of my favorite movies of all time |
| 05:18.50 | Fisker | But i had a torrent running in the background so tried stopping that |
| 05:19.03 | Fisker | that seemed to work a bit :o |
| 05:19.32 | Fisker | lol'd Shirik |
| 05:20.22 | Zyndrome | WarGames |
| 05:20.23 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 05:21.11 | Fisker | stop ruining my personal internet |
| 05:21.48 | Shirik | wargames is awesome |
| 05:21.53 | Shirik | I heard they were making a wargames II |
| 05:21.56 | Shirik | is that still going on? |
| 05:21.58 | Arrowmaster | already made |
| 05:22.01 | Shirik | ! |
| 05:22.10 | Arrowmaster | wargames 2000 i think |
| 05:22.14 | Fisker | sequels tend to suck |
| 05:22.16 | Shirik | was it any good? |
| 05:22.23 | Arrowmaster | dont know didnt see it |
| 05:22.26 | Thunder_Child | wargames was not infact awesome |
| 05:22.47 | Shirik | it was in fact awesome and anyone who disagrees should spontaneously combust |
| 05:22.51 | Thunder_Child | it was a pile of drivel |
| 05:23.32 | Fisker | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0865957/ |
| 05:24.09 | Arrowmaster | i was just about to link that |
| 05:24.11 | Tem | kd3, I just saw that movie the other day |
| 05:24.18 | Arrowmaster | had it in my clipboard and all |
| 05:24.19 | *** join/#wowuidev WobLap (i=Wobin@218-215-63-88.people.net.au) |
| 05:24.20 | Fisker | I'M NOT KD3 |
| 05:24.27 | kd3 | thank the gods |
| 05:24.30 | Fisker | I had it in my clipboard first Arrowmaster |
| 05:24.38 | Tem | Shirik, no, the sequel came out last year direct to dvd |
| 05:24.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@203-206-23-218.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:24.46 | Fisker | direct to fail |
| 05:24.47 | Fisker | BAM |
| 05:24.47 | Tem | wargames: dead code or something like that |
| 05:24.49 | kd3 | and hokay, it's later than I thought. time to crash |
| 05:24.53 | WobNet | http://ursulav.deviantart.com/art/Warhamster-40K-Black-Templar-126997252 |
| 05:25.17 | Fisker | Tem you're fast as hell :o |
| 05:25.31 | Tem | Fisker, ? |
| 05:26.00 | WobNet | that's what -she- said! |
| 05:27.17 | Nechckn | the new wargames was not as good as the original, not even close. If it's that or American Idol, I'd take it, but otherwise, find other entertainment. |
| 05:27.36 | Nechckn | If you didn't like the original, then it's that much further down the list =) |
| 05:27.50 | Thunder_Child | /wrists > wargames |
| 05:28.09 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 05:28.10 | mikma | <0828> ::: Irssi: Unknown command: wrists |
| 05:28.13 | mikma | =( |
| 05:28.19 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 05:28.21 | Nechckn | then... um, /penis would be better than the new Wargames for you, Thunder_Child |
| 05:28.37 | Nechckn | and that is a nasty cut |
| 05:28.43 | Thunder_Child | though to be fair, wargames > wrestler |
| 05:29.00 | Nechckn | but, but, it won an award!! |
| 05:29.19 | Thunder_Child | so i heard |
| 05:29.19 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3655675175/ |
| 05:29.28 | tekkub | the tooltip knows the stack size... |
| 05:29.35 | tekkub | please daddy let there be an API |
| 05:29.37 | Thunder_Child | obviously there was no one like me voting |
| 05:30.25 | Fisker | sometimes blizzard isn't why we can't have nice things |
| 05:31.14 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: the function to add money to the tooltip was expanded to have two prices |
| 05:31.27 | Arrowmaster | if there isnt an api it could be hacked i guess |
| 05:31.39 | tekkub | hrm.. |
| 05:31.44 | Fisker | hah tekkub |
| 05:31.51 | Fisker | i know your login to your gmail |
| 05:31.54 | tekkub | I'm getting lots of black screen hangs |
| 05:31.54 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 05:32.05 | tekkub | this is like the third one since I logged on |
| 05:33.10 | *** join/#wowuidev JerekDain (n=JerekDai@71-82-127-149.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 05:33.35 | tekkub | "city with purple men" I love the tanuki |
| 05:34.18 | Fisker | [07:28:51] <wINSLER> how can I get a microsoft visual c++ application error on the blizzard updater when I uninstalled the shit :( ? |
| 05:34.24 | Fisker | [07:29:46] <FlyOnZeWall> uninstalled what? msvc++? or the updater? |
| 05:34.27 | Fisker | [07:30:18] <wINSLER> msvc++ |
| 05:34.30 | Fisker | lololol |
| 05:34.39 | tekkub | so it looks like they don't force you to pick the wolvar/oracle kid based on your previous faction choice |
| 05:34.48 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 05:34.54 | Arrowmaster | something new? |
| 05:35.07 | tekkub | northrend children's week |
| 05:35.17 | tekkub | I'm doing the tanuki ones now |
| 05:35.38 | Fisker | fail tekkub |
| 05:35.48 | Fisker | it should've been out before children's week :( |
| 05:35.56 | tekkub | that's not my fail |
| 05:36.16 | Fisker | i'm holding you personally responsible |
| 05:36.28 | tekkub | and I'm holding my balls, your point? |
| 05:36.50 | Fisker | you have balls? |
| 05:37.38 | Nechckn | If you are holding your balls, then who is holding mine? |
| 05:37.46 | Nechckn | is afraid to look under the keyboard |
| 05:38.57 | tekkub | hehe, okey that quest was too fucking cute |
| 05:39.25 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 05:39.25 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 05:40.36 | Fisker | hunts people |
| 05:40.45 | Fisker | the most dangerous sport of all |
| 05:42.44 | tekkub | "there is no direct path to that destination" the fuck? |
| 05:42.54 | tekkub | it shows a 3-hop flight, but won't take it |
| 05:43.00 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 05:43.03 | batrick | owned |
| 05:43.04 | Fisker | That's indirect |
| 05:43.08 | Duman | heh |
| 05:43.10 | Fisker | laughs |
| 05:44.35 | tekkub | hrm.. it's the last step that refuses to go |
| 05:44.49 | tekkub | fizzcrank --> nessy |
| 05:44.57 | *** join/#wowuidev govtrust (n=govtrust@6-140.175-24.bham.res.rr.com) |
| 05:45.31 | Duman | wait, stacksize is in the tooltip now? |
| 05:45.39 | Duman | oh nm, read teh rest of the scrollback |
| 05:45.48 | WobNet | zomg |
| 05:45.55 | WobNet | quest objectives on the world map |
| 05:45.59 | Duman | heh yeah |
| 05:46.05 | WobNet | it's like WAR =P |
| 05:46.13 | WobNet | about time =) |
| 05:46.16 | Duman | I was about to say... they took a page from WAR ;) |
| 05:46.25 | Fisker | lol |
| 05:46.34 | WobNet | although I hope they do it better than WAR did |
| 05:46.35 | Fisker | just tried out the new Microsoft anti-virus shit |
| 05:46.47 | WobNet | it was always really confusing at times what 'indicator' meant what |
| 05:46.50 | Fisker | And i was kinda nervous it said that it had found a threat while scanning |
| 05:46.50 | Shefki | Fisker: What's that do. Install the viruses for you? |
| 05:47.02 | WobNet | it found Windowss, didn't it? |
| 05:47.06 | Fisker | Detected: Win32\Wpakill |
| 05:47.06 | Fisker | hoho |
| 05:47.07 | Fisker | hohoho |
| 05:47.08 | Fisker | hohohohoho |
| 05:47.39 | Shefki | Wpakill? |
| 05:47.40 | tekkub | oh I know why it doesn't work, cause you have to do that quest to unlock the flight point |
| 05:47.41 | Shefki | What's that? |
| 05:47.54 | tekkub | and the premade hasn't done it, but knows all the flight points |
| 05:47.59 | Stanzilla | so..18 paladin sets for T9 |
| 05:48.01 | Stanzilla | overkill! |
| 05:48.11 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: lol? |
| 05:48.33 | WobNet | Windows Product Activation |
| 05:48.37 | WobNet | (killer) |
| 05:49.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:49.12 | Fisker | well Wobin |
| 05:49.14 | Fisker | atleast it was a nice try :) |
| 05:49.26 | Fisker | and trying is all that matters |
| 05:49.46 | Arrowmaster | lol what file did it find it in? |
| 05:49.48 | WobNet | tekkub: there's a northrend chilldren's week chain? |
| 05:49.56 | Arrowmaster | like an installer or did it detect one of its files was nuked |
| 05:50.06 | Fisker | \Microsoft.Windows.XP.x64.With.SP2-XiSO\Slipstream.iso->Crack\AMD64\antiwpa.dll |
| 05:50.12 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:51.04 | Fisker | Not actually using it |
| 05:51.22 | Fisker | Just hard to find an iso without when Microsoft is the cancer killing online downloads of updated product cds |
| 05:51.55 | Duman | wtb my char copies completed |
| 05:51.57 | Duman | sigh |
| 05:51.58 | tekkub | yes WobNet |
| 05:52.03 | tekkub | oracles/wolvar |
| 05:52.13 | WobNet | do we get a wolvar minipet? =) |
| 05:52.33 | tekkub | and it looks like you get to pick regardless of faction you did in shal (you don't go to the home town) |
| 05:52.36 | Shirik | in all honesty, I don't know why Microsoft doesn't just start selling like steam :) |
| 05:52.37 | Fisker | Do you get a Blood Elf minipet? |
| 05:52.38 | Fisker | hoho |
| 05:52.49 | Fisker | yeah Shirik |
| 05:52.52 | tekkub | standard visit 3 places, then two more, then back to town |
| 05:52.55 | WobNet | I have an orc minipet =P |
| 05:52.57 | Fisker | Infact they even host the isos on technet and msdn |
| 05:53.02 | Shirik | exactly |
| 05:53.03 | Fisker | why the fuck not just go all the way |
| 05:53.19 | Shirik | And hell, it would be easier to track low-scale piracy that way anyway |
| 05:53.20 | tekkub | the whistle expires |
| 05:53.26 | Shirik | e.g., people who use the same key across several computers in thier house |
| 05:53.46 | Shirik | every time they turn on their computer, log in online. Verify that no other computer is using the same key |
| 05:54.21 | Shirik | I'm not sure they'd ever do something like that, but it's certainly a possibility |
| 05:54.32 | Fisker | That's the one nice thing about mac os |
| 05:54.32 | Arrowmaster | people would hate that even more |
| 05:54.33 | WobNet | this is why I use corporate keys =P |
| 05:54.40 | Fisker | It's actually kinda cheap compared to Windows |
| 05:54.41 | Arrowmaster | WobNet: me too |
| 05:54.43 | *** join/#wowuidev govtrust (n=govtrust@6-140.175-24.bham.res.rr.com) |
| 05:54.47 | Fisker | and they have group rebates and so on |
| 05:54.52 | Fisker | or family rebates |
| 05:55.05 | WobNet | Fisker: I'd agree, unfortunately, application wise, MS has the deathgrip |
| 05:55.12 | Arrowmaster | although i couldnt get my corp key to work with any of the slipstreamed iso's my school was using |
| 05:55.20 | Fisker | Vista? |
| 05:55.24 | Arrowmaster | xp |
| 05:55.34 | Shirik | I don't understand why corporate keys still exist, either |
| 05:55.35 | Arrowmaster | but i can still use microsoft update so i know the key isnt blocked |
| 05:55.49 | Fisker | Looks like your school just fails then |
| 05:55.51 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: because corps hate activation bullshit |
| 05:56.07 | WobNet | cause getting a ridiculous amount of keys to activate specific units in a large company is an utter pain in the arse? |
| 05:56.07 | Fisker | They removed that in Vista though |
| 05:56.19 | Fisker | Now they even have to put up their own authentication system for it |
| 05:56.23 | Shirik | ah yeah they want their whole "image once, install millions of times" |
| 05:56.28 | WobNet | yeah |
| 05:56.31 | Shirik | like our IT department at school |
| 05:56.31 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47541/argent-pony-bridle/ |
| 05:56.34 | Adys | this is just weird |
| 05:56.38 | Shirik | whom used like a 2048xsomething monitor, imaged that |
| 05:56.42 | Shirik | put it on all the computers in the school |
| 05:56.45 | WobNet | anything less than that, and it's an utter nightmare to handle |
| 05:56.52 | Shirik | and then realized that all the monitors can't support that resolution |
| 05:57.00 | Shirik | AND that none of the users (students) have the rights to change resolution |
| 05:57.05 | Shirik | (except me, because I'm awesome) |
| 05:57.13 | *** join/#wowuidev govtrust (n=govtrust@6-140.175-24.bham.res.rr.com) |
| 05:57.19 | WobNet | Shirik: the solution, is obviously to get monitors that -do- handle it =) |
| 05:57.23 | Shirik | When I realized this at one of the classes I was teaching, I popped open visual studio in the 5 minutes before class |
| 05:57.32 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thinkgeek.com/clearance/5eab/?cpg=97H |
| 05:57.35 | Shirik | wrote up a quick program in front of an introductory java class |
| 05:57.43 | Shirik | to adjust the resolution down to something reasonable |
| 05:57.49 | Shirik | and they were like ".... wtf" |
| 05:57.57 | Shirik | it was pretty epic |
| 05:58.19 | tekkub | the hell? all I got was gold |
| 05:58.22 | tekkub | no pet |
| 05:58.31 | tekkub | they better be adding in pets :P |
| 05:58.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:58.39 | Shirik | hi fake Fisker |
| 05:58.44 | Shirik | why did you kill the real Fisker |
| 05:58.47 | Fisker | instant classic Shirik |
| 05:58.48 | WobNet | no pet =( |
| 05:58.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:58.56 | tekkub | ah it's mailed to you |
| 05:58.56 | Fisker | My internet is kinda shitty lately |
| 05:59.01 | tekkub | those sneak ass bitches |
| 05:59.05 | WobNet | what did you get? |
| 05:59.33 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you changed the resolution without having the rights to do so using something you wrote in visual studio? |
| 05:59.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Jiminizer (n=jiminize@jiminizer.plus.com) |
| 06:00.06 | Shirik | sorta |
| 06:00.08 | tekkub | tanuki |
| 06:00.17 | Shirik | see, what IT blocks is the "properties" window from popping up |
| 06:00.20 | tekkub | almost bigger than me, stupid gnome premade |
| 06:00.23 | Shirik | not the actual ability to change the resolution |
| 06:00.35 | Fisker | Had similar lulz at our school btw |
| 06:00.37 | Shirik | so by doing it in code, I circumvented the properties window and just went in and changed the resolution itself |
| 06:00.53 | Fisker | The it-department decided to broadcast a ghost image |
| 06:00.58 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3656528852/ |
| 06:01.01 | Fisker | Oh and some parts of the network still used hubs |
| 06:01.18 | Fisker | instant network crash |
| 06:01.33 | Shirik | I actually got IT kicked out of one of my labs |
| 06:01.37 | Shirik | because they continually broke it |
| 06:01.45 | Shirik | because they don't know how to use anything except windows |
| 06:01.54 | tekkub | "something appears to be wrong with ace3 addons" lawl |
| 06:01.56 | Shirik | so now I'm the administrator of that lab (and accordingly it's disconnected from the main network) |
| 06:01.57 | tekkub | fools! |
| 06:02.04 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: where? |
| 06:02.06 | Fisker | Every computer the school had was with onboard nic and one cpu |
| 06:02.12 | tekkub | trade |
| 06:02.18 | Fisker | So the amount of data overloaded the CPU so much it crashed the computer |
| 06:02.18 | Arrowmaster | did you respond? |
| 06:02.19 | Fisker | :D |
| 06:02.23 | tekkub | no :) |
| 06:02.27 | WobNet | tekkub: oh is the tanuki the one like the tuskarr daily? |
| 06:02.30 | Arrowmaster | is there actually anything wrong? |
| 06:02.42 | tekkub | yes wob, one quest sends you down there |
| 06:02.44 | Shirik | Fisker: Sounds like a horrible design to me |
| 06:02.47 | WobNet | that's pretty cute |
| 06:02.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Thelyna (n=burp@122-57-245-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 06:02.52 | tekkub | and some of his gossip is about the walrus men |
| 06:03.13 | tekkub | Arrowmaster: fuck if I know, I've not even loaded addons up yet |
| 06:03.37 | tekkub | the new "quest shit on map" doesn't seem to be enabled yet, or at least the quests I did for the pet didn't show shit |
| 06:04.22 | Arrowmaster | you have to turn it on i think |
| 06:05.00 | Fisker | horrible management as well Shirik |
| 06:05.00 | tekkub | it is on |
| 06:05.08 | tekkub | was by default, changed it to be sure |
| 06:05.21 | Fisker | While the IT guys weren't that competent, it was infact the school board who refused to upgrade to switches |
| 06:05.25 | Fisker | Unless the hardware failed |
| 06:05.31 | tekkub | equip manager actually shows an anchor for popouts now |
| 06:05.37 | Fisker | If they had network problems at a hub they'd sometimes just fake that it was broken |
| 06:05.52 | Fisker | leaving the network or parts of it disconnected just to make it look real |
| 06:05.56 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3655740675/ |
| 06:06.46 | Fisker | Oh and the way it works is that the government alocates a specific amount of money for the budget, if they use less money than that they risk getting less money assigned for the next year |
| 06:07.02 | Fisker | So they would ONLY buy new stuff if it was broken |
| 06:07.14 | Fisker | And then just before the year was over they'd buy a bunch of new computers to keep the budget |
| 06:09.08 | tekkub | ah ha, quest on map IS on, it's just borked... |
| 06:09.16 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3655746393/ |
| 06:10.13 | Fisker | tekkub |
| 06:10.19 | Fisker | Don't question the map |
| 06:10.20 | Fisker | just go |
| 06:10.20 | tekkub | WUT |
| 06:10.55 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/23/funny-pictures-plan-could-ever-fail/ |
| 06:11.53 | Fisker | Is that a warlock btw tekkub ? |
| 06:12.34 | Stanzilla | so |
| 06:12.36 | Stanzilla | who is Zabra? |
| 06:13.21 | Shirik | a dyslexic african animal |
| 06:13.49 | Stanzilla | no cookie for you |
| 06:14.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:14.51 | Stanzilla | he/she is obviously important enough to have the priest T9 set named after her |
| 06:14.59 | Stanzilla | and as a horde priest Shirik |
| 06:15.02 | Stanzilla | you have to know it! |
| 06:15.06 | Stanzilla | it's your set! |
| 06:15.34 | Shirik | I'm still in awe about how ugly T8.5 is |
| 06:15.37 | Arrowmaster | sounds like a troll |
| 06:15.45 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 06:15.49 | Stanzilla | and t8.5 is sexy |
| 06:15.52 | Stanzilla | on my human female |
| 06:15.54 | Shirik | no it is not |
| 06:15.58 | Shirik | wtf is that helm |
| 06:16.00 | Stanzilla | just the headpiece is buggy |
| 06:16.01 | Shirik | for reals |
| 06:16.10 | Stanzilla | my hair has clipping fails |
| 06:16.36 | Fisker | i had to change haircut for T8 :( |
| 06:17.10 | krka | heh that was kind of funny Shirik :) |
| 06:17.15 | Stanzilla | yeah same |
| 06:17.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:19.21 | Fisker | and what annoys me the most is that it has to be that anime style stupid haircut |
| 06:19.35 | Shirik | lolol |
| 06:19.39 | Shirik | kamehameha! |
| 06:19.48 | Shirik | I could so see fisker doing a hadouken |
| 06:21.06 | Stanzilla | Fisker: can you screenshot your char? |
| 06:21.26 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0416ef6cc6f4199478015374d32fc791.jpg |
| 06:21.27 | Stanzilla | I've never seen a pala with that anime haircut and t8 headpiece |
| 06:21.43 | Fisker | ? |
| 06:22.00 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0416ef6cc6f4199478015374d32fc791.jpg <- |
| 06:22.18 | Stanzilla | yes, thanks :p |
| 06:23.35 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 06:23.38 | Shirik | that so looks like fisker |
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| 06:26.44 | Fisker | ;( |
| 06:27.12 | Fisker | That annoying haircut is the only short one for blood elves |
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| 06:29.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (i=Matrix11@95.222.224.90) |
| 06:29.09 | WobNet | that looks like a naruto character =P |
| 06:29.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@ool-44c20653.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 06:29.31 | tekkub | whiner |
| 06:29.55 | Kraps | herro |
| 06:30.21 | Kraps | all those girls in their wedding dresses... damn! |
| 06:30.35 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 06:30.51 | Kraps | just came home |
| 06:30.59 | Adys | <ragnarok-> The T9 vendors are named Magister Faesrol and Arcanist Isimode. |
| 06:31.01 | Kraps | cousins wedding |
| 06:31.29 | Thunder_Child | you had cousins getting married? |
| 06:32.09 | Kraps | just one |
| 06:32.11 | Thunder_Child | actually only one person should be in a wedding dress |
| 06:32.48 | Fisker | What if you're mormon? |
| 06:33.14 | Kraps | way to parse what i said Thunder_Child /grumble |
| 06:33.37 | Thunder_Child | why write it if you dont want me to read it? |
| 06:34.30 | Kraps | you parsed it wrong, lrn2readingcomprihension :p |
| 06:35.21 | Thunder_Child | did you not say that more that one girl had on a wedding dress? |
| 06:35.52 | Thunder_Child | s/that o/than o/ |
| 06:36.17 | Kraps | wedding dress = dress for a wedding, capice? |
| 06:36.43 | Thunder_Child | there is a common vernacular for wedding dress, and it is not that |
| 06:37.45 | Kraps | ah well |
| 06:39.18 | Kraps | i gotta hit the sack, we'll spar more after work tomorrow k TC? :D |
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| 06:46.58 | Nechckn | Hmm.. no huge end of the world thing but... 1% added crit or 24AP as a lvl 50 WAR - rest of the elements are the same. |
| 06:47.27 | Fisker | explodes with excitement |
| 06:49.22 | Nechckn | sniffles... |
| 06:49.47 | Nechckn | Fisker Antivirus makes you 'splode? |
| 06:53.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Random (n=Denial@unaffiliated/windaria) |
| 06:53.54 | Fisker | naw? |
| 07:03.25 | Fisker | tekkub |
| 07:03.29 | Fisker | you know how to shot web? |
| 07:03.34 | Fisker | (i.e. open the console in wow) |
| 07:03.53 | Thunder_Child | yep '~' |
| 07:04.05 | Thunder_Child | though i would be happy if that didnt work while typing |
| 07:04.21 | Fisker | duh Thunder_Child |
| 07:04.26 | Arrowmaster | though you had to enable it with a cvar or cmdline option first? |
| 07:04.36 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:04.38 | Fisker | i wanted someone with the us ptr to open it up and paste in the ip of their loginserver |
| 07:04.57 | Thunder_Child | " -console" |
| 07:05.15 | Thunder_Child | i dont have the ptr |
| 07:05.36 | Thunder_Child | i lied, i do, it's just not patched |
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| 07:09.49 | Klevre | might not be a proper question for the chan, but maybe theres someone who could tell me where to get the source code of WoW model viewer? since the link on their page doesnt seem to work |
| 07:10.48 | Fisker | man i'm raging |
| 07:10.48 | Fisker | l2battle.net :( |
| 07:10.55 | Fisker | stupid blizzard |
| 07:10.57 | Fisker | i want to test |
| 07:13.28 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3655848927/ |
| 07:13.34 | tekkub | and thus tekErr came to an end |
| 07:13.52 | tekkub | although there's no way to make it show a lil button instead of popping up, from what I can tell |
| 07:14.08 | tekkub | oh and ESC won't make it close |
| 07:16.54 | Arrowmaster | what did you do to trigger that? |
| 07:17.49 | tekkub | caused an error |
| 07:17.55 | Arrowmaster | but how |
| 07:18.03 | tekkub | pops up all on it's own if you have debug tools loaded |
| 07:18.10 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.12 | Arrowmaster | it looks like it has part of the code for the error frame in the debug stack |
| 07:18.27 | Arrowmaster | because i saw that entire thing with parts of it in basiccontrols.xml |
| 07:18.31 | Arrowmaster | earlyer |
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| 07:25.28 | tekkub | DebugTools has no /rl |
| 07:25.31 | tekkub | pure fail |
| 07:26.18 | Arrowmaster | its /reload |
| 07:26.29 | Fisker | tekkub |
| 07:26.33 | Fisker | make battle.net account works |
| 07:26.34 | Fisker | now |
| 07:26.47 | tekkub | that's 4 too many chars |
| 07:26.58 | Arrowmaster | and _ERRORMESSAGE() is in basictools so maybe thats why /run debugstack had it in it |
| 07:27.20 | Fisker | enrages |
| 07:27.54 | tekkub | http://gist.github.com/135070 |
| 07:27.58 | tekkub | IT WORKS! |
| 07:28.04 | tekkub | now to make it use a hidde tip |
| 07:29.09 | Arrowmaster | seriously? |
| 07:29.21 | Arrowmaster | what about for items not in your cache? |
| 07:30.23 | tekkub | GII will nil out |
| 07:30.37 | tekkub | but why would you need a price for an item you don't have cached? |
| 07:30.47 | tekkub | you don't have it to sell |
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| 07:33.52 | Fisker | cncfanatics |
| 07:33.55 | Fisker | stop being cancer |
| 07:35.42 | cncfanatics | Fisker: wait, what ? |
| 07:37.50 | tekkub | http://gist.github.com/135070 BAM even simpler |
| 07:38.06 | Fisker | ptrs are up |
| 07:38.13 | tekkub | could use some memoizing table majick |
| 07:38.15 | Fisker | but i can't login because you screwed up battle.net logins |
| 07:38.16 | tekkub | but it works |
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| 07:44.05 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3655891883/ |
| 07:44.14 | tekkub | TipHookerLib can officially DIE! |
| 07:44.21 | tekkub | http://gist.github.com/135070 |
| 07:44.26 | tekkub | muahahahahahaha |
| 07:44.55 | tekkub | all done with the OnTooltip* script handlers |
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| 07:47.50 | tekkub | oh man, that's not even needed, they tacked vendor price into GetItemInfo |
| 07:47.54 | tekkub | FUCK ME DADDY! |
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| 07:49.01 | zenzio | yeah, they seemed to integrate a lot of addon functionality in the 3.2 UI |
| 07:49.08 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, yoiu are about 3 days to late for that |
| 07:49.27 | tekkub | Thunder_Child: fuck you, the 3.2 API thread doesn't say shit |
| 07:49.52 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, i meant the daddy fucking part |
| 07:49.57 | Thunder_Child | eg. fathers day |
| 07:50.06 | tekkub | *sigh* |
| 07:50.09 | Fisker | it's awsum zenzio |
| 07:50.10 | tekkub | not funny :P |
| 07:50.16 | Fisker | also tekkub that line can get you in jail! |
| 07:50.21 | Thunder_Child | you called me |
| 07:50.28 | Thunder_Child | s/me/it/ |
| 07:51.00 | tekkub | anywho *dance dance dance* TipHookerLib now has no reason to exist ever again |
| 07:51.24 | End | what did TipHookerLib do? |
| 07:51.56 | tekkub | needlessly hooked all the Set* functions |
| 07:52.11 | tekkub | instead of just hooking the OnTooltipSetItem script handler |
| 07:52.33 | tekkub | the *only* reason you ever needed to do that was to find out the size of the stack under the cursor |
| 07:52.39 | haste | tekkub: too bad you can't kill it |
| 07:52.42 | tekkub | for things like vendor price |
| 07:52.49 | haste | people will continue to be ignorant and ues it |
| 07:52.57 | tekkub | haste: I can harass anyone that doesn't get rid of it ^^ |
| 07:53.24 | haste | and still not write patches?! |
| 07:53.37 | WobNet | A pizza with radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi*z*z*a |
| 07:53.52 | haste | lol |
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| 07:54.13 | zenzio | the vendor price change will probably mean I'm down to using only the support parts of the Auctioneer suite (!Swatter and dependencies) |
| 07:54.53 | End | didn't they revamp the error handler? |
| 07:55.01 | tekkub | there's an lua error catcher now |
| 07:55.15 | zenzio | hm, maybe I'll just skip it all then :-p |
| 07:55.19 | tekkub | so you won't "need" swatter, though the new one could use some improvement |
| 07:55.24 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3655907025/ |
| 07:55.26 | tekkub | RAWR! |
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| 07:55.38 | tekkub | and 2/3 of ratings buster is gone |
| 07:55.56 | Fisker | :) |
| 07:56.02 | tekkub | will it go back to it's original feature? (doubt it) |
| 07:56.03 | Fisker | Do they have stat coloring? |
| 07:56.05 | foxlit | Hm, that should so be in two columns. |
| 07:57.47 | haste | or three! |
| 07:58.25 | Fisker | or your mom |
| 08:03.17 | foxlit | Hm, suppose I wanted to match "E", "CTRL-E" but not say "USE" |
| 08:03.44 | foxlit | That is, E with any modifier prefix string (including the empty string), but not E as part of another word. |
| 08:13.07 | Xinhuan | so match for "%-?E" |
| 08:13.32 | foxlit | That doesn't win |
| 08:13.42 | foxlit | "USE" matches with an E, "E" matches with an E |
| 08:14.01 | Xinhuan | do 4 matches then (lol) |
| 08:14.23 | Arrowmaster | do a direct comparason for "E" then match for '-E$" |
| 08:14.25 | haste | you could just split the string and validate the last vararg |
| 08:14.43 | haste | I'm guessing you need to validate more letters than just E |
| 08:15.33 | foxlit | My solution was to prefix with a -. |
| 08:15.40 | foxlit | Then match %-E |
| 08:16.36 | Arrowmaster | i like mine better |
| 08:18.17 | foxlit | unfortunately, I don't have an E to compare against :) |
| 08:18.52 | Xinhuan | use a gmatch iterator that looks for "(%S+)%-E" then check the matched prefix against a list |
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| 08:21.05 | foxlit | The unspoken requirement was that this had to be simple :) |
| 08:21.26 | Arrowmaster | fuck roadrunner |
| 08:21.43 | Xinhuan | you didn't really what you want to match ;p |
| 08:21.46 | Xinhuan | say* |
| 08:21.47 | Arrowmaster | 1.5MB/s then exactly when it hits the 20MB point 800KB/s |
| 08:21.54 | Fisker | cuts up Arrowmaster |
| 08:22.00 | Xinhuan | just the prefix? the whole string? part of a string? |
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| 08:23.01 | foxlit | That'd be because I don't care -- I merely want to test whether the string is in a particular set of strings. |
| 08:23.26 | foxlit | So it's a binary thing: either it matches my pattern (and is part of the set), or it does not, and is not. |
| 08:24.49 | foxlit | The short version is that I'm trying to fake override key bindings when there's a frame that ends up capturing mouse input. |
| 08:25.09 | foxlit | So instead of acting on your (say) MOUSE5 binding, it dispatches a "Button5" click. |
| 08:25.37 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 08:25.52 | Arrowmaster | capturing mouse input? |
| 08:26.08 | foxlit | Clicks and things. |
| 08:26.23 | Arrowmaster | registerforclicks? |
| 08:26.36 | foxlit | basically -- "AnyUp". |
| 08:26.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 08:26.48 | Arrowmaster | then you get Button5 clicks |
| 08:27.11 | Arrowmaster | instead of MOUSE5 keybindings being run |
| 08:27.11 | foxlit | And what I actually want to act on is the MOUSE5 binding. |
| 08:27.27 | Arrowmaster | then dont register for anyup? |
| 08:27.40 | foxlit | There's a reason to register for anyup. |
| 08:27.48 | Arrowmaster | this is never going to work well |
| 08:27.52 | foxlit | It already works. |
| 08:27.58 | Arrowmaster | not for all bindings |
| 08:28.12 | Arrowmaster | my mouse5 is autorun |
| 08:28.15 | Arrowmaster | it will fail for that |
| 08:28.22 | foxlit | I don't care about *your* mouse5. |
| 08:28.34 | foxlit | I care about *my* mouse5 -- the mouse5 you assigned within my addon. |
| 08:28.50 | Arrowmaster | i still dont understand why |
| 08:29.15 | foxlit | Why what? :) |
| 08:29.29 | Arrowmaster | why you are registering for mouse5 |
| 08:29.51 | foxlit | The binding? Or the click? |
| 08:29.57 | Arrowmaster | the click |
| 08:30.25 | foxlit | Because if I don't register for "AnyUp", no dispatch of any kind occurs. |
| 08:30.40 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 08:30.56 | Arrowmaster | what do you want to be clicked on in the first place |
| 08:30.58 | foxlit | So if you press button5 over a button that doesn't capture button5, it'll neither fire the click handler nor call your mouse5 binding. |
| 08:31.12 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: that shouldnt be true |
| 08:31.32 | foxlit | Shouldn't, couldn't, is. |
| 08:31.37 | Arrowmaster | i cant test it right now but it damn well didnt used to be like that |
| 08:32.09 | Arrowmaster | are you sure something else isnt capturing the button5up |
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| 08:32.54 | foxlit | Reasonably sure. |
| 08:34.36 | foxlit | Tested it again: did a widget:HookScript("OnClick", print) |
| 08:34.44 | foxlit | Left clicking and right clicking results in a message. |
| 08:34.53 | foxlit | Clicking mouse5 has no effect. |
| 08:35.00 | foxlit | Clicking mouse5 outside of the widget fires my binding. |
| 08:36.32 | Arrowmaster | did you do a framestack and see whats under your frame? |
| 08:36.56 | foxlit | UIParent, WorldFrame. |
| 08:37.13 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 08:37.20 | Arrowmaster | i swear it used to not be like that |
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| 08:43.08 | Fisker | rage |
| 08:43.53 | haste | the Insane throws a testicle at Fisker. |
| 08:45.02 | Fisker | haste |
| 08:45.06 | Fisker | i'm logging into the PTR now |
| 08:45.13 | Fisker | If it says the login servers are busy then you die |
| 08:45.26 | Fisker | BAM |
| 08:45.30 | Fisker | kills haste |
| 08:46.17 | haste | http://hastey.pastey.net/116601-41c7 |
| 08:46.18 | haste | I lol'd |
| 08:46.28 | Fisker | YOU'RE DEAD |
| 08:47.04 | haste | anyway, you just sent me your login information! |
| 08:47.15 | haste | soon.. fiskerdin's HP will be under 9000! |
| 08:47.35 | Fisker | naw |
| 08:48.14 | foxlit | Midsummer Gold Festival <3 |
| 08:53.01 | haste | 300g for just northrend and outlands |
| 08:53.08 | haste | and it takes like 30min to do :3 |
| 08:53.19 | haste | and you can do some quick dailies while flying |
| 08:53.51 | foxlit | We heard you like gold, so you can make gold while making gold? |
| 08:54.45 | haste | and then we'll reset it! |
| 08:54.56 | haste | so you can make even more gold while making gold |
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| 09:00.47 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:01.09 | haste | the Insane throws a testicle at Fisker. |
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| 09:19.21 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:19.28 | jnwhiteh | patch not applying to my ptr |
| 09:19.32 | jnwhiteh | i suppose i have to download a new client? |
| 09:19.43 | haste | most likely |
| 09:20.42 | jnwhiteh | and the account pages are unavailable |
| 09:20.45 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 09:22.10 | haste | this is why you should have done it yesterday |
| 09:22.16 | haste | _or_ why you should use an US client :3 |
| 09:22.28 | jnwhiteh | i did do this all yesterday |
| 09:22.30 | jnwhiteh | smartass :P |
| 09:22.58 | Droolio | is the ptr installer the old downloader, and then it downloads 3.2 within the game? |
| 09:23.12 | jnwhiteh | "Failed to apply patch" |
| 09:23.15 | jnwhiteh | Droolio: that's what Iwas told |
| 09:23.18 | jnwhiteh | but this fails in my case |
| 09:23.26 | Droolio | hmm |
| 09:23.54 | Droolio | heh, queue for char copy already full |
| 09:24.14 | jnwhiteh | i did that days ago |
| 09:24.42 | Droolio | i didn't, as blizz said they could reset them at any point |
| 09:24.54 | Droolio | and you'd lose the copy count |
| 09:25.11 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 09:26.53 | Aqua | blizzard and wow fails horribley lately |
| 09:27.34 | foxlit | probably intentional |
| 09:27.35 | Fisker | jnwhiteh fuck it |
| 09:27.38 | Fisker | Blizzard fails |
| 09:27.52 | foxlit | They're trying to build up the player base for SC2 |
| 09:27.58 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hrm? |
| 09:28.04 | Aqua | I will play that game if it ever comes out |
| 09:28.06 | Fisker | It also appears that their arbitrary regionalization of battle.net account is preventing users from logging in on the ptr servers |
| 09:28.08 | Aqua | its blizzard, takes months |
| 09:28.53 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: oh, awesome |
| 09:29.02 | jnwhiteh | so I can't do any of the fucking work i need to get done |
| 09:29.02 | Droolio | Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity... |
| 09:29.04 | jnwhiteh | that's cheery |
| 09:30.06 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: were you able to _patch_? |
| 09:30.11 | Fisker | well jnwhiteh apparently it's only a problem with US battle.net accounts with EU wow accounts |
| 09:30.12 | Fisker | yeah jnwhiteh |
| 09:30.21 | jnwhiteh | wait.. |
| 09:30.24 | jnwhiteh | there are "us" battle.net accounts |
| 09:30.28 | jnwhiteh | and "Eu" battle.net accounts? |
| 09:30.33 | jnwhiteh | that's fucktarded. |
| 09:30.35 | Fisker | But you need to uninstall the PTR, reinstall it with the 0.0.1 patch, then bypass the launcher, login with non-existant credentials and download the patch |
| 09:30.37 | jnwhiteh | well I can't even patch |
| 09:30.40 | Fisker | you didn't know? |
| 09:30.52 | Fisker | Blizzard likes to apply arbitrary regional restrictions to fuck it up even more |
| 09:30.53 | jnwhiteh | no, I didn't realize there was a differece. |
| 09:31.10 | jnwhiteh | good thing sioraiocht hasn't gone battle.net yet. |
| 09:31.25 | Fisker | I think they fixed it now as well, but back in the day logging into a other regions battle.net account would put in a 20-30 second delay on logging in |
| 09:31.39 | Fisker | Because it would have to ask the other battle.net server |
| 09:31.44 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 09:31.46 | jnwhiteh | that's so stupid. |
| 09:31.52 | jnwhiteh | even worse for me |
| 09:31.58 | Fisker | Yeah and why it took 20-30 seconds every time i don't even know |
| 09:32.08 | jnwhiteh | considering i've had my battle.net account forever with my other games, etc. |
| 09:32.08 | haste | resolving DNS is hard |
| 09:32.11 | jnwhiteh | not my fault i moved here. |
| 09:32.16 | Fisker | sure is |
| 09:32.22 | haste | how can it not be your fault :D ? |
| 09:32.24 | Fisker | Same with classic games |
| 09:32.37 | Fisker | All mine were added (except one) before the EU blizzard store went up |
| 09:32.38 | haste | were you forced to move? |
| 09:32.47 | Fisker | So i got 4xenUS games and 1xenGB |
| 09:33.02 | Fisker | And they won't allow us to change it |
| 09:33.31 | jnwhiteh | neat |
| 09:33.37 | jnwhiteh | vomits |
| 09:33.42 | Fisker | Thank you for getting in touch with me about this issue! After looking into it, it seems like the decision was made to not implement the ability to change the language on a license. As such, we will not be able to convert over your US keys to EU ones. |
| 09:34.12 | Fisker | the best workaround I would be able to implement at this time would be to send you an English (US) copy of Warcraft 3 The Frozen Throne <-service at least |
| 09:34.13 | Fisker | :P |
| 09:34.26 | Fisker | But it was kinda irrelevant the install worked fine |
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| 09:34.35 | Fisker | But it wouldn't have if it was german or something like that |
| 09:35.08 | jnwhiteh | i imagine their crack legal department helps with regional separation =/ |
| 09:35.28 | Fisker | ye :( |
| 09:39.48 | Fisker | touches haste underneath his underwear |
| 09:40.48 | Pneumatus | hmm, is the new UNIT_DISSIPATES for attributing aborbs to a certain char? :o |
| 09:43.30 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: stuck at handshaking when trying to connect with 0.0.1 |
| 09:43.55 | jnwhiteh | fml |
| 09:50.08 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 09:50.12 | Fisker | oh yeah i forgot |
| 09:50.30 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 09:50.31 | Fisker | http://rapidshare.com/files/247995527/WoW-0.2.0-enGB-downloader.exe.html |
| 09:50.32 | Fisker | try that link |
| 09:51.15 | jnwhiteh | wow.. new client |
| 09:52.12 | jnwhiteh | oh fucking hell |
| 09:52.15 | jnwhiteh | that's a windows client |
| 09:54.36 | Fisker | aw jnwhiteh :( |
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| 09:57.43 | luc2 | hello |
| 09:57.51 | jnwhiteh | hi |
| 10:01.03 | luc2 | how to catch when a combat starts ? if i catch PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED, it's wrong because then event is also fired when i die |
| 10:01.48 | Fisker | check if you're not dead at the same time? :D |
| 10:03.04 | jnwhiteh | combat starts when UnitAffectingCombat("player |
| 10:03.06 | jnwhiteh | ") is true |
| 10:03.21 | jnwhiteh | which you check at PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 10:03.22 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:07.46 | luc2 | zzzzzzzzzz... |
| 10:07.46 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 10:07.46 | luc2 | i'm not in front of the game, i can't test |
| 10:07.46 | jnwhiteh | what the hell does that mean |
| 10:07.46 | jnwhiteh | well, there's nothing to test |
| 10:07.46 | jnwhiteh | that's how you do it =) |
| 10:07.46 | jnwhiteh | just use PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 10:07.47 | luc2 | i believe i already tested that |
| 10:07.47 | luc2 | but i don't remember the results exactly |
| 10:07.47 | jnwhiteh | well, that's what we use, because that's what we're supposed to use |
| 10:07.47 | jnwhiteh | it works, i assure you |
| 10:08.40 | haste | luc2: you could always check if the player is alive at that point |
| 10:09.01 | luc2 | i on ly remember the approximate results : PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is fired before i die. if i test whether i'm alive or not in this event, it said i'm still alive, while i'm not |
| 10:09.15 | haste | that sounds incorrect |
| 10:09.23 | jnwhiteh | yeah that's wrong :P |
| 10:09.27 | jnwhiteh | i'm pretty sur eof it |
| 10:09.30 | haste | and why would you enter combat when you die? |
| 10:09.43 | haste | _also_ |
| 10:09.52 | haste | you could just reset the flag on PEW |
| 10:09.59 | haste | and set it to true when you die |
| 10:10.14 | Arrowmaster | that wont work if you die next to the graveyard |
| 10:10.32 | haste | I still don't think it's the case tho' :p |
| 10:10.47 | haste | oh! |
| 10:10.57 | haste | I meant UNIT_DEATH |
| 10:11.11 | haste | multitasking haste is failing :( |
| 10:12.03 | luc2 | i believe i enter in combat when i die because of the spirit of redemption |
| 10:12.52 | haste | you still die once more after that |
| 10:13.02 | haste | so just resetting the flag on unit death would work fine |
| 10:13.22 | haste | unless it's critical that you know the status during that phase |
| 10:13.44 | luc2 | i'm so tired of using my brain... |
| 10:16.44 | luc2 | UNIT_DEATH is not on wowwiki ? |
| 10:16.52 | luc2 | !api UNIT_DEATH |
| 10:16.52 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UNIT_DEATH'. |
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| 10:17.15 | jnwhiteh | !api UNIT_DEAD |
| 10:17.15 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UNIT_DEAD'. |
| 10:17.19 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 10:17.19 | jnwhiteh | odd. |
| 10:17.25 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 10:17.33 | jnwhiteh | !api PLAYER_DEAD |
| 10:17.33 | lua_bot | PLAYER_DEAD: Fires when the player dies. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_DEAD) |
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| 10:19.03 | haste | isn't there a UNIT_DEATHish event? |
| 10:19.18 | haste | guess I should check that later on |
| 10:20.02 | luc2 | i guess it will be fired before PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED, and i won't be able to detect correctly if i'm dead or not :] |
| 10:20.27 | luc2 | i mean after |
| 10:24.16 | luc2 | i already tried a lot of things... PLAYER_UNGHOST, PLAYER_ALIVE, UnitBuff, redemption flag, alive flag, UnitAffectingCombat, UnitIsDeadOrGhost, COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED+UNIT_DIED, etc. |
| 10:26.15 | haste | state machine~ |
| 10:27.07 | jnwhiteh | its not very difficult |
| 10:27.26 | jnwhiteh | you just have to do it |
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| 10:33.08 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra70O9nps6E |
| 10:33.09 | mikma | do it. |
| 10:35.50 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/journalism.jpg |
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| 11:27.49 | zenzio | heya |
| 11:41.20 | Cruciformer | Mikk: ping |
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| 12:46.28 | Lopeppeppy | misses Cairenn!! |
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| 12:54.11 | Cruciformer | woot I can finally, 2 years later, send an MMS from an iPhone. |
| 12:54.24 | Zyndrome | a breathtaking moment |
| 12:54.24 | Cruciformer | welcome to 2002 Apple. |
| 12:54.45 | Zyndrome | in 2010 , you'll be able to CALL PEOPLE with the iPhone |
| 12:54.46 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 12:54.52 | Lopeppeppy | Very woot. |
| 12:54.54 | Cruciformer | Zyndrome: now all my friends are gonna get spammed with pics of my cat doing cute shit :) |
| 12:56.19 | Cruciformer | actually as a "just a phone" device, the iphone has always been exceptionally good. good call qulity, easy navigation etc. its only the "lunatic fringe" stuff like forwarding SMS's, sending MMS ... u know, the shit the rest of the world has had for 6 years that was a problem. |
| 12:57.12 | foxlit | People actually use MMS? |
| 12:57.13 | Cruciformer | I like how they had to upgrade the entire *OS* to get cut n paste. |
| 12:57.30 | Cruciformer | foxlit: Only for sending cute pics of my cat to people who are alergic to her, yes :) |
| 12:58.37 | Cruciformer | one of these fine days I am going to get my real camera sorted out and take some good pics of tammy. |
| 13:00.30 | Cruciformer | foxlit: although I havent personally needed to do it, I do find the idea of a real 3G phone where you can actually do video calls very appealing. The notion of a smallmobile device that does audio and video is very sci-fi. |
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| 13:02.19 | alestane | pouncles Lopeppeppy all over the place. |
| 13:02.55 | Lopeppeppy | Owies, no, no, meeeeep! |
| 13:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | G'morning, alestane! |
| 13:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | Where'd all that energy come from, dear? |
| 13:03.18 | alestane | You were all gone yesterday, it accumulates. |
| 13:04.13 | sioraiocht_ | Shadowed: does SUF support raid frames? or just party? |
| 13:06.20 | alestane | I just read the notes on the Blizzard_AchievementUI TOC. |
| 13:06.27 | alestane | ## Notes: Hooray for Achievements! Everybody loves Achievements =D |
| 13:06.41 | alestane | That's gotta be Zootfizzle. |
| 13:07.42 | Cruciformer | sup alestane |
| 13:07.51 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.04 | jnwhiteh | so when main spec > offspec |
| 13:09.04 | jnwhiteh | what is your main spec? |
| 13:09.04 | jnwhiteh | your primary spec |
| 13:09.04 | jnwhiteh | or what you went to the raid as |
| 13:09.04 | Industrial | whee got my second book from the deverry series |
| 13:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Zootfizzle. |
| 13:09.04 | Industrial | also bought starcraft 1 |
| 13:09.10 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: what we do in our guild is you have to declare what your main spec is ... thats what we recruited you as. |
| 13:09.13 | Industrial | haste: ^ |
| 13:09.49 | Lopeppeppy | And then if you want to change your main spec, you have to ask permission from the class leader and/or guild leader, etc. We never let people just spec back and forth willy-nilly, even when it wasn't as easy as it is now. |
| 13:10.12 | Cruciformer | exactly what Lopeppeppy said. |
| 13:10.13 | Industrial | mainspec is whatever you are playing in that instance, I don't think there's a reason NOT to dual spec for anyone (cept maybe pure dps) |
| 13:10.31 | Industrial | why wouldnt you have a kickass healing set too? |
| 13:10.35 | Industrial | whenever its needed go heal |
| 13:10.53 | Industrial | its imo about contribution, and dual spec will make everyone able to contribute more |
| 13:10.58 | Industrial | thus improving the overall play |
| 13:10.59 | Cruciformer | Industrial: even for pure dps theres a good reason. mages for example can have a "uber-leet DPS" spec and a "not quite so leet but at least I can survive a gnat farting in the other end of the instance" spec |
| 13:11.21 | Industrial | Cruciformer: right, I play hunter myself so kinda no reason to not go surv |
| 13:11.37 | sioraiocht_ | Shadowed: i can't move my raid frame.. |
| 13:12.17 | alestane | I just got dual-spec for my warlock...my traditional "harder to kill than a cockroach" 21/45/5 spec, plus a new "control/debilitation PvP spec" that's mostly affliction. |
| 13:12.17 | alestane | Haven't tied it out yet, though, so there's always the possibility it bites. |
| 13:12.28 | Cruciformer | <3 survival hunters ... every raid should have 1 |
| 13:12.40 | Industrial | <3 |
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| 13:13.13 | Cruciformer | alestane: I hea thte afflock spell rotation is a bit of a bitch. |
| 13:13.14 | Lopeppeppy | Dane is going to be DPS offspec once I figure out how to spec/play ret. |
| 13:13.18 | Cruciformer | *hear |
| 13:13.37 | alestane | Cruciformer: I've been playing a warlock for almost four years now. |
| 13:14.29 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy one button more to rotate afaik xD |
| 13:14.29 | alestane | And a good slice of my DPS comes from affliction rotations...Demonology adds survivability and raw spell power, but not as many direct damage options. |
| 13:14.33 | Industrial | erm, then prot. |
| 13:14.34 | Cruciformer | I played a feral druid for all my wow time except for a recent 6-month bout of doomkin. They changed cat dps SOOOO much in wotlk. I hear the cat rotation isnow equally complex or possibly even slightly more so than an afflock. |
| 13:15.07 | haste | Industrial: wat |
| 13:15.37 | Cruciformer | lucky for me I am a tank and only very occasionally do cat DPS these days. |
| 13:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | I should only very occasionally be doing DPS as a retnoob, I prefer to heal and I like to heal, etc. |
| 13:16.06 | Cruciformer | bear tanking is the easiest thing in the world. |
| 13:16.32 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: Our main prot pally started playing around with a ret spec recently and said its even easier to do uber-dps than a mage. |
| 13:16.32 | Lopeppeppy | Must be why they don't get to tank anymore, or so I hear. |
| 13:17.15 | Lopeppeppy | If I want to do DPS I need to level my Peppy... I like to heal. |
| 13:17.37 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: I find bears suitable for almost all fights except Auriya(sp? - crzy cat lady). For her a warrior really is best. |
| 13:18.44 | Kalroth | Prot paladins don't tank much because all other tank classes are (currently) much better |
| 13:18.52 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: and our healers say I am easier to heal than our protadin or deathtank. |
| 13:19.21 | alestane | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/ |
| 13:19.29 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: Our guild's MT is currently a protadin and he has no trouble at all. |
| 13:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | I have always been a champion for my prot paladin tanks, I really hate to see them fall behind so frequently, usually due to gear access. |
| 13:19.52 | Lopeppeppy | I loved my bear tanks when I ran with them, miss 'em fiercely. |
| 13:19.53 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: That depends a lot on which content you raid though |
| 13:20.13 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: Ulduar 25 ... so far up to Mimiron (we're not past him yet) |
| 13:20.33 | Kalroth | normal or hard modes? |
| 13:20.59 | Cruciformer | normal so far ... hard mode is for after we have yogg on farm |
| 13:21.10 | Kalroth | Because on normal it should be fine, there's no really hard tank fights there |
| 13:21.24 | Cruciformer | wel do loot leviathon with 1 tower up but thats not exactly hard. |
| 13:21.33 | |Jelly| | In that question, you kind of discredit yourself. You first say that people don't use prot paladins and then you reference what only the most elite guilds are doing. |
| 13:21.36 | Kalroth | Nor does it rely on a tank :) |
| 13:21.52 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: exactly :) |
| 13:21.58 | Cruciformer | I was just telling u what we raided. |
| 13:22.02 | Kalroth | No, I said that prot paladins dont get to tank much |
| 13:22.06 | Kalroth | (to Jelly) |
| 13:22.27 | |Jelly| | <Kalroth> Prot paladins don't tank much because all other tank classes are (currently) much better <-- |
| 13:22.31 | Kalroth | yes |
| 13:22.43 | |Jelly| | And BTW ... lol |
| 13:22.59 | Kalroth | Right now a Death Knight with Naxx10 gear is a better tank than a Prot Paladin with Ulduar25 gear. |
| 13:23.07 | |Jelly| | Warriors can eat a dick. |
| 13:23.12 | |Jelly| | Umm. no |
| 13:23.17 | Kalroth | Uhm, yes. |
| 13:23.31 | |Jelly| | <-- has both; they're both niche tanks |
| 13:23.43 | Kalroth | Alright, which niche does the paladin have? |
| 13:23.56 | |Jelly| | Hell and as of last night, I even have a blood as well as an unholy tanking spec |
| 13:24.24 | |Jelly| | Any fight where I have to rely on someone else to dispel me. |
| 13:24.31 | Kalroth | .. |
| 13:25.07 | Kalroth | You're right, I'll go discredit myself or something. That's easier than continueing this argument. :) |
| 13:25.34 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: every time u discredit yourself god kills a kitten :) |
| 13:25.53 | |Jelly| | *shrug* I suppose that would be easier, considering I really do have both and I really do tank Ulduar. :-\ |
| 13:25.56 | Kalroth | What if I don't believe in god then? Wouldn't the kittens survive then! |
| 13:26.08 | Kalroth | |Jelly|: Yet you got zero clue? :) |
| 13:26.14 | Lopeppeppy | Kittens don't survive. That's the point of being a cat. |
| 13:26.23 | Cruciformer | hehehe |
| 13:26.33 | |Jelly| | Well, first of all, you're saying that a warrior tank is better than anyone. That was your first mistake. |
| 13:26.38 | Kalroth | uh what |
| 13:26.44 | Kalroth | I said DK, not warrior |
| 13:26.51 | |Jelly| | Your second mistake was, I guess saying that I said that paladins were better than a dk/druid. |
| 13:27.04 | |Jelly| | again |
| 13:27.04 | |Jelly| | <|Jelly|> <Kalroth> Prot paladins don't tank much because all other tank classes are (currently) much better <-- |
| 13:27.16 | Kalroth | Yes, warriors are better at tanking than paladins |
| 13:27.29 | Kalroth | Any tank with a clue will agree with me there |
| 13:27.31 | Lopeppeppy | covers her ears. Heresy is going to happen soon, and she doesn't want to know. |
| 13:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | I call BS right there, Kalroth. |
| 13:27.45 | |Jelly| | I'm simply stating that outside of the realm of the top 1% of guilds progression, I've found very little that my paladin can't do just as well as my dk. |
| 13:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | That's making it personal. Keep it numbers. |
| 13:28.08 | Kalroth | Well sorry, but I happen to be in one of those elitist guilds that actually do hard modes, where the class abilities matter. |
| 13:28.22 | Kalroth | Up until then you could tank everything with any class and it wouldn't matter. |
| 13:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | Elitist is pretty much the word that explains why you have your own beliefs and nothing is gonna shake them. |
| 13:29.03 | |Jelly| | Oh of course, saying that class a is crap because of <1% of the raiding population. |
| 13:29.15 | Kalroth | It's not my beliefs, it's a fact. Jelly is trying to hide behind the fact that he/she doesn't have to tank anything hard, so paladins are good tanks! |
| 13:29.34 | Cruciformer | i think jelly is a dk |
| 13:29.35 | Kalroth | So yes, as long as you don't have to tank anything that matter, prot paladins are fine. |
| 13:29.40 | Kalroth | He's both |
| 13:30.06 | |Jelly| | ~facepalm |
| 13:30.06 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 13:30.07 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: In your opinion how do druids hold up in hardmode? |
| 13:30.25 | Kalroth | Paladin < Warrior < Druid < Death Knight |
| 13:30.36 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 13:31.09 | Kalroth | Right now you -need- a DK if you want to clear Ulduar properly. It's nearly impossible to do Algalon without one as a tank. (note: nearly impossible, not impossible) |
| 13:31.24 | Lopeppeppy | I found that half the time, the hardcore raid guilds would tell us "X tank can't tank Y fight" ... and then our group would go and tank it with X tank. Nothing is impossible if you're willing to adapt. |
| 13:31.35 | |Jelly| | Regardless of your thoughts or beliefs, thanks (to the top <1% of raiding guilds) for getting deathknights nerfed in tanking again. <3 |
| 13:31.56 | Kalroth | Lopeppeppy: Yes, that's because the slower group got geared up over 2 months. Hence you outgear the encounter, instead of using the best classes for it. |
| 13:33.15 | Kalroth | There's a huuuge difference between doing Freya+3 with 3 weeks of Ulduar gear vs 3 months of Ulduar gear. |
| 13:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | How on earth are you able to decide that about my raiding guild, which you never met? |
| 13:33.28 | Lopeppeppy | Step off with the value judgements, IMO. |
| 13:33.42 | Kalroth | Uh, you're the one that brought your raiding guild up? |
| 13:33.59 | Lopeppeppy | Uh, you're the one who decided we were slow? Can't recall I said that. |
| 13:34.07 | Kalroth | You said it yourself, "hard raid guilds" and "then our group" |
| 13:34.11 | Kalroth | hardcore* |
| 13:34.14 | Cruciformer | hands out teh popcorn. |
| 13:34.20 | Kalroth | Why aren't you hardcore then? |
| 13:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't make us Special Ed, Kalroth, to be a few weeks behind the hard core people. And ahead of them in a few cases, actually. |
| 13:34.53 | Lopeppeppy | We just didn't live via Elitist Jerks and /kick people who couldn't raid 5 nights a week. |
| 13:34.58 | Kalroth | So your definition of hard core is? |
| 13:35.02 | |Jelly| | *preface: No, I'm not going to get personal or attack your guild or anything stupid like that; I'm just honestly curious. What guild are you in Kalroth? |
| 13:35.17 | Lopeppeppy | Asshats, pretty much, who tell everyone they're doing it wrong. *sweet smile* |
| 13:35.24 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 13:35.41 | Kalroth | Well ok, lets compare progression then. :) |
| 13:35.48 | Kalroth | How far are you two ladies on 10 and 25 man? |
| 13:35.55 | |Jelly| | General |
| 13:35.57 | Kalroth | Since you know it all and what not. |
| 13:35.57 | |Jelly| | 10 |
| 13:36.01 | Kalroth | 25 man? |
| 13:36.17 | |Jelly| | I haven't cared (at all) about 25 man since about a month after Naxx. |
| 13:36.35 | Kalroth | So with your amazing raid experience you still feel like you can state that I'm outright wrong and you're right? |
| 13:36.54 | Lopeppeppy | Well, you can do it to us, you don't like it when we do it back? |
| 13:36.59 | |Jelly| | You've yet to answer my question. |
| 13:37.10 | Cruciformer | ulduar 25 versus ulduar 10 is like comparing karazhan to Hyjal. It is VASTLY more difficult in 25-man imho. |
| 13:37.20 | Kalroth | |Jelly|: http://www.elitism-guild.com/ (google is hard) |
| 13:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | Who cares? *yawnies* |
| 13:37.41 | Kalroth | I cleared Ulduar 10 in the first week on normal mode |
| 13:37.55 | Kalroth | And you're stuck on Vezax, stating that prot paladins are fine? |
| 13:37.56 | |Jelly| | Kalroth: Where in the fuck did you say what guild you were in? |
| 13:38.07 | Kalroth | |Jelly|: Huh? |
| 13:38.39 | |Jelly| | You're telling me that google is hard. I asked about your guild less than 2 minutes ago ... from which you proceed to go off on progression. |
| 13:38.47 | Kalroth | I just said that google is hard, try "kalroth guild" |
| 13:38.57 | |Jelly| | Sorry, I don't stalk people. |
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| 13:39.08 | Industrial | stalks ckknight |
| 13:39.11 | Kalroth | Using google is stalking now, eh? :) |
| 13:39.28 | |Jelly| | oh for fuck's sake. Go back to your EJ circle jerk. |
| 13:39.39 | Kalroth | But like I said waaay back, you two got your opinions and that's fine for Ulduar 10 normal encounters. |
| 13:39.52 | Kalroth | Not like I got a chance knocking some sense into you anyways. |
| 13:39.58 | Kalroth | Hence it's a pointless discussion. |
| 13:40.02 | Industrial | CJ should just put everything on wowwiki imo |
| 13:40.05 | Industrial | EJ* |
| 13:40.23 | Kalroth | Industrial: They're too busy being elitist jerks! |
| 13:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 13:40.33 | Industrial | and making their own wiki ... |
| 13:42.16 | Cruciformer | In other news, I am listening to Juno Reactor and suggest everyone else does too. |
| 13:42.24 | Kalroth | which song? :) |
| 13:42.36 | Cruciformer | god is god atm |
| 13:42.50 | Kalroth | I like some of his older stuff, I'm not terribly fond of the newest album. |
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| 13:43.04 | Cruciformer | has he done anything in teh last 5 years? |
| 13:43.35 | Kalroth | yeah, he released an album a year ago |
| 13:43.44 | Cruciformer | as juno reactor? |
| 13:44.14 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_Reactor we're talking about the same JR, yeah? :) |
| 13:44.28 | Industrial | np: As I Lay Dying - Forever |
| 13:44.38 | Cruciformer | yup |
| 13:44.45 | Cruciformer | if thats the one that did bible of dreams |
| 13:44.53 | Industrial | np: All That Remains - The Calling |
| 13:45.01 | Industrial | im going to see them this weekend |
| 13:45.01 | Kalroth | aye, scroll down to discography |
| 13:45.03 | Industrial | on graspop |
| 13:45.07 | Industrial | awesome \:D/ |
| 13:45.32 | Industrial | going to be throwing around emo kids and drinking beer for 3 days |
| 13:45.45 | Kalroth | Industrial: Babysitting again?! |
| 13:45.48 | Cruciformer | well blow me down with a feather. Is it actually original stuff or is it remixes? |
| 13:45.59 | Industrial | Kalroth: metal festival |
| 13:46.32 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: Misc game music mainly, but I think it's all original |
| 13:46.52 | Cruciformer | do u like Infected Mushroom? |
| 13:46.59 | Industrial | i do! |
| 13:47.01 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 13:47.02 | Cruciformer | most people who like JR do. |
| 13:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Indie. |
| 13:47.09 | Industrial | =) |
| 13:47.25 | Kalroth | well as usual, the latest of the shroomies isn't that great :P |
| 13:47.26 | Industrial | hugles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:47.33 | Cruciformer | I am not sure how id lable Infected Mushroom. Id call them "psytrance" more than "indie" |
| 13:48.10 | Industrial | np: Infected Mushroom - Frog Mashine |
| 13:48.10 | Fisker | why would you label them indie? |
| 13:48.12 | Kalroth | IM is definitely stoner trance :) |
| 13:48.12 | Cruciformer | I listen to "converting vegetarians" regularly. |
| 13:48.14 | Industrial | Machine* |
| 13:48.42 | Cruciformer | Fisker: I misunderstood what Lopeppeppy means when she said she luvved indie :) |
| 13:48.43 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: I like side 1 from that album, side 2 is too experimental, although a few of the songs are ok |
| 13:49.32 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: Seems we have a bit in common with music tastes. U like stuff like Imperative Reaction, Assemblage 23, Covenant etc? |
| 13:49.59 | Industrial | I do too >_> wtf |
| 13:50.01 | Kalroth | Can't say I've heard of them, sorry :) Covenant rings a bell, but I can't place them. |
| 13:50.09 | Industrial | but more things like suicide commando, grendel, combichrist etc |
| 13:50.30 | Kalroth | I'm not that psy/goa focused anymore though, I prefer dnb/breaks for the time being |
| 13:50.34 | Cruciformer | Industrial: I have not heard of those ... similar style? |
| 13:50.40 | Industrial | much harder |
| 13:50.45 | Industrial | its real Industrial :) |
| 13:51.07 | Cruciformer | well after Pink Floyd which will always be #1 music for me, my current most-played artist is Tiesto. That boy can do no wrong imho. |
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| 13:51.42 | Cruciformer | Industrial: Like Ein Sturtende Neubaden (sp - wtf name is that anywya) harder or pretentious KMFDM harder ... just so I know what u mean by hard :) |
| 13:52.51 | Cruciformer | (altho I like KMFDM for a good laugh now and then I must admit) |
| 13:54.06 | Industrial | long intro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCQKZznZKU&fmt=18 |
| 13:54.30 | haste | we need more IDM |
| 13:55.16 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20T04HOosQ&fmt=18 some easy IDM :3 |
| 13:55.28 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBWrP0ybK88&fmt=18 |
| 13:55.37 | Lopeppeppy | I could sooooo rickroll y'all.... *innocent* |
| 13:55.43 | Industrial | ;) |
| 13:55.45 | haste | sorry |
| 13:55.47 | Bruners | IDM ? |
| 13:55.48 | haste | I have flashblock |
| 13:55.49 | Cruciformer | I gave up trying to figure out all the new musical classifications ... I just callmost of this stuff "electronica" now |
| 13:55.53 | haste | Bruners: intelligent dance music |
| 13:56.50 | Industrial | Cruciformer: and then I also like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pawc--Gpxk8&fmt=18 |
| 13:57.00 | Industrial | the solo is awesome! |
| 13:57.08 | haste | Bruners: the youtube should give you a pretty good idea |
| 13:57.18 | Bruners | yeah, listening now |
| 13:57.24 | Cruciformer | Hold on I am listeningto "each year appoximately 1 million people die from suicide" for the 90000000th time |
| 13:57.33 | Bruners | haste: but wanted to know what IDM ment |
| 13:57.44 | Industrial | Cruciformer: it builds up the entire song |
| 13:57.49 | haste | Bruners: it's basically a very wide genre |
| 13:57.53 | Industrial | til about 3 mins |
| 13:57.55 | haste | Bruners: or sub-genre :P |
| 13:57.57 | Kalroth | Bruners: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_dance_music |
| 13:58.07 | Bruners | we need more hardstyle imo |
| 13:58.07 | Cruciformer | ah now its growing a pair of balls |
| 13:58.20 | Industrial | :p |
| 13:58.45 | Cruciformer | how would u classify velvet acid christ? |
| 13:59.02 | Cruciformer | (other than crap - that much I know) |
| 13:59.15 | Industrial | also industrial but slower |
| 13:59.30 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.34 | haste | Bruners: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgqmzaoQVU&fmt=18 :D ? |
| 13:59.47 | Cruciformer | u will probably laugh at me when I say this but I consider "Yello" to be the father of modern electronica and industrial |
| 13:59.58 | Cruciformer | even tho now in retrospect they are quite poppy |
| 13:59.59 | Bruners | haste: thats happycoreshit |
| 14:00.05 | Industrial | I dont know them :\ |
| 14:00.07 | haste | I like j-core :( |
| 14:00.16 | Industrial | haste: I like j-pop |
| 14:00.18 | haste | I didn't before I went to a live concert in tokyo tho' :P |
| 14:00.20 | Cruciformer | Industrial: ever seen teh movie "Ferris Beuler's day off"? |
| 14:00.21 | Industrial | im so diverse! |
| 14:00.22 | Industrial | :p |
| 14:00.27 | Industrial | Cruciformer: nop |
| 14:00.32 | Cruciformer | omg |
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| 14:00.44 | Cruciformer | well u have almost certainly heard them and just didnt know it was Yello |
| 14:00.48 | haste | I'm mainly into IDM/noise/breakcore tho'... |
| 14:00.51 | Cruciformer | they do the "Oh Yeah" song |
| 14:01.06 | Bruners | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX7TwabqenQ |
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| 14:01.39 | Cruciformer | so far I am liking this suicide command song a lot |
| 14:01.41 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:01.46 | Cruciformer | sup kneeki |
| 14:01.52 | shadowfaux | anyone able to help me with an assertion error? never encountered them before so no idea how to deal with them |
| 14:01.53 | kneeki | not a lot -_- |
| 14:01.58 | shadowfaux | *in my addon |
| 14:02.08 | haste | Bruners: I find it to static to listen to :( |
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| 14:02.23 | kneeki | shadowfaux: copy/paste your error, then paste your relevant code. |
| 14:03.24 | shadowfaux | Error: "Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2524: assertion failed!" |
| 14:03.29 | shadowfaux | pastey inc... |
| 14:04.28 | Cruciformer | ok that "as I lay dying" is just noise imho |
| 14:04.44 | Bruners | haste: are you in a happy mood and want to look over some timercode i just wrote, to see how far out in space i am? |
| 14:05.00 | shadowfaux | http://shadowfaux.pastey.net/116610-3jtj |
| 14:05.16 | haste | Bruners: I'm almost always in a happy mood :p |
| 14:05.18 | haste | ask Industrial ! |
| 14:06.32 | Bruners | haste: http://pastey.net/116612 |
| 14:06.33 | shadowfaux | i know that the line in chatframe.lua says "function ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter (event, filter)\n assert(event and filter);" |
| 14:06.39 | Cruciformer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDFmNgmaEe0 makes me smile every time. Bust u must listen all the way through dont stop at the beginning |
| 14:07.24 | Industrial | Cruciformer: and the other songs? |
| 14:08.23 | haste | Bruners: your incombat check does nothing, it always sets the alpha to 1 |
| 14:08.31 | haste | Bruners: and is that your onupdate or? |
| 14:09.05 | Cruciformer | youtube is being slower than evolution for me today wait for the second one to load up |
| 14:09.38 | Bruners | haste: it's driven by oUF_RuneBar's PostUpdate(event, rune, usable) |
| 14:10.32 | haste | Bruners: I have no idea what the runebar code does, so I can't say much :P |
| 14:10.52 | Cruciformer | Industrial: listening to grendel now |
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| 14:12.14 | Bruners | haste: well it does the updating of the bars OnUpdate |
| 14:12.36 | Cruciformer | Industrial: man this grendel kicks ass! |
| 14:12.44 | Industrial | =) its a dutch band |
| 14:13.40 | Cruciformer | assemblage is much lighter but just as melodic |
| 14:14.16 | Gnarfoz | haha, you said "ass" |
| 14:14.41 | Industrial | thats what she said |
| 14:15.00 | Industrial | xD |
| 14:15.15 | Bruners | i should invest in a table fan |
| 14:16.04 | Cruciformer | Industrial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFcd3T1KXqA |
| 14:17.55 | Cruciformer | Industrial: I also love vnv nation |
| 14:18.15 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10xI9Bbr34&fmt=18 |
| 14:18.19 | Industrial | heh just linking it |
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| 14:19.34 | Cruciformer | i saw them live on their futureperfect tour. sucked as live. they basically jjst had the dvd playing with the lyrics track off, and the one guy singing and the other beating a few drums. |
| 14:20.00 | Industrial | mm |
| 14:20.12 | Cruciformer | but I guess thats to be expected from electronica. Most of the stuff is cubase trickery very hard to do live. |
| 14:21.23 | Cruciformer | did u like A23? |
| 14:22.54 | Cruciformer | btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPnWOem7jok is covenants most famous song. Its almost one of those (*puke*) dance "anthem" songs. |
| 14:23.54 | Industrial | ships come to port? |
| 14:24.00 | Cruciformer | nothing as bad as robert mile's "Children" but still way overplayed. |
| 14:24.03 | Industrial | oh dead stars |
| 14:24.07 | Cruciformer | No dead stars |
| 14:24.34 | Cruciformer | "Children" is the trance equivalent of "Stairway to Heaven" |
| 14:24.47 | Cruciformer | great the first 4857485784 times you hear it but then it gets a bit thin. |
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| 14:26.53 | Cruciformer | Industrial: I liked that suicide commando and grendel ... can u recommend other stuff like it? |
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| 14:28.13 | Cruciformer | sup shirik |
| 14:28.36 | Industrial | Cruciformer: hm hocico maybe |
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| 14:34.14 | Shirik | hi Cruciformer |
| 14:35.11 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, good morning!! *happy dance* |
| 14:35.19 | Shirik | o.o |
| 14:35.46 | Cruciformer | lol dont ask me why but you typed "happy dance" and I read "lappy dance" |
| 14:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | .... o.O |
| 14:37.20 | Cruciformer | Industrial: I bet Im gonna struggle to find thiss tuff in south africa :( |
| 14:37.23 | Shirik | slaps Cruciformer |
| 14:37.28 | p3lim | a bird just flew into my livingroom |
| 14:37.35 | p3lim | my cat ate it |
| 14:37.59 | Cruciformer | good. bird are evil. staring at u with one beady eye and all. |
| 14:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | If cat can catch it, cat can eat it. *gentle shrug* |
| 14:39.35 | Wobin | breeds a cheezeburger that moves faster than a cat. |
| 14:39.53 | p3lim | poor thing screamed like hell though |
| 14:40.01 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: you'd laugh at my cat. She's pretty quick but she is bright white. So to see her attempting to sneak up on birds is a laugh. They can see her a MILE off ... bright white against green gras == loss for cat. |
| 14:40.09 | p3lim | I think it broke its wing as he hit the wall behind my tv |
| 14:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra tries to sneak up on things, but she's meowing and growling the whole time... very fail. |
| 14:40.52 | p3lim | my cat is white too, but he still manages to bring home atleast 1 dead bird/mouse a month |
| 14:40.59 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 14:41.00 | Bruners | p3lim: wathcing nature programs on the TV? :P |
| 14:41.13 | p3lim | no, this really happened like 5 minutes ago |
| 14:41.33 | p3lim | i was in my kitchen opening a box of cat food (ironically) |
| 14:41.59 | Lopeppeppy | My baby is an indoor cat only, too much of the poisoning of the animals in urban settings. And the hitting of cars, etc. |
| 14:42.06 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/23/funny-pictures-plan-could-ever-fail/ |
| 14:42.34 | p3lim | I live by a medium large forest and some fields |
| 14:42.43 | p3lim | plenty of space for my two cats to play on |
| 14:45.06 | Bruners | p3lim: hillbilly! :P |
| 14:45.47 | p3lim | its also ~500 meters from the highway (E6) |
| 14:45.59 | p3lim | 10 minutes away from the center of Trondheim |
| 14:46.12 | Bruners | im 2.5 meters away from the E6 :P |
| 14:46.34 | Bruners | 5 minutes away from the center of trondheim |
| 14:48.12 | p3lim | meh |
| 14:48.23 | p3lim | cba the noice |
| 14:48.29 | Bruners | it sucks |
| 14:48.40 | Bruners | most poluted street in Trondheim as well :( |
| 14:48.47 | p3lim | yay for me |
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| 14:52.16 | Bruners | haste: p3lim: http://pastey.net/116620 |
| 14:52.37 | p3lim | wat? |
| 14:52.58 | Bruners | p3lim: my shot at making timer with using that postupdate function |
| 14:54.01 | Bruners | p3lim: also i would like some comments on the spawning of bars/text, i guess it can be done better |
| 14:54.02 | p3lim | you need to use an OnUpdate script for it |
| 14:54.37 | p3lim | if you want custom orders you have to do it like you do |
| 14:55.53 | p3lim | it _could_ be done easier (the spawning part) but that would require work from my side, and the layout works good as it is. |
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| 14:56.52 | Cruciformer | how do I make a pattern match the shortest possible match rather than the longest? |
| 14:57.08 | zenzelezz | what are you using right now? |
| 14:57.50 | Cruciformer | local iter = gmatch (msg, "([^:]+)") |
| 14:58.28 | zenzelezz | hm, then I don't know. Thought + would do minimal |
| 14:58.41 | alestane | Can one use []-? |
| 14:59.06 | alestane | The Lua docs say oen can. |
| 14:59.12 | alestane | one* |
| 14:59.22 | alestane | "a single character class followed by '-', which also matches 0 or more repetitions of characters in the class. Unlike '*', these repetition items will always match the shortest possible sequence; " |
| 14:59.48 | zenzelezz | what does it say about +? |
| 15:00.21 | alestane | + is one or more repetitions, IIRC. |
| 15:00.30 | Cruciformer | ty alestane I will try that. So use - instead of + then? |
| 15:01.34 | alestane | You might have to repeat the pattern before the "-" clause, since it matches 0 or more, not one or more. |
| 15:02.00 | cog|away | You might be a Redneck if you think "surround sound" is when you get caught between your wife and her mom on the sofa |
| 15:02.07 | alestane | From the Lua docs, spammish incoming: |
| 15:02.07 | alestane | # a single character class followed by '*', which matches 0 or more repetitions of characters in the class. These repetition items will always match the longest possible sequence; |
| 15:02.07 | alestane | # a single character class followed by '+', which matches 1 or more repetitions of characters in the class. These repetition items will always match the longest possible sequence; |
| 15:02.07 | alestane | # a single character class followed by '-', which also matches 0 or more repetitions of characters in the class. Unlike '*', these repetition items will always match the shortest possible sequence; |
| 15:02.08 | alestane | # a single character class followed by '?', which matches 0 or 1 occurrence of a character in the class; |
| 15:05.11 | p3lim | lol cogwheel |
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| 15:07.44 | Cruciformer | can someone try visit www.guildlaunch.com and se if its woking for them? Not sure if its the route between me and them or if they are down. |
| 15:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | Hanging.... not likely to load for me. |
| 15:08.52 | Cruciformer | ty Lopeppeppy |
| 15:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome. Good luck getting it to come back and play nice. |
| 15:11.34 | Cruciformer | thy're usually pretty reliable. traceotute shows a breakage at some unnamed point so its hard to tell if its them or their isp thats at fault. |
| 15:14.21 | Cruciformer | nap time. see y'all later. |
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| 15:32.10 | Adys | Um |
| 15:32.19 | Adys | wheres the flame of the undercity supposed to be? |
| 15:32.45 | Grum | i heard it was in undercity |
| 15:33.01 | Lopeppeppy | Throne room, if it's where it was before. |
| 15:34.11 | Adys | ah nm, found it |
| 15:34.13 | Adys | was outside |
| 15:34.18 | alestane | Ruins of Lordaeron, right inside the first gate. |
| 15:34.51 | jaxdahl | anyone know what the WTF/baddons.wcf file is for? |
| 15:35.12 | alestane | Bad addons, presumably. |
| 15:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | Bliz admin, jaxdahl. |
| 15:35.17 | nicoli_s | supposedly to ban addons |
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| 15:35.27 | alestane | BAD addon! Bad! No biscuit! |
| 15:35.31 | jaxdahl | is the .wcf file format known? |
| 15:35.44 | nicoli_s | probably can find it on the net somewhere |
| 15:35.51 | nicoli_s | though i dont think they have added any addons yet |
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| 15:36.35 | Lopeppeppy | .wcf may equal Webex Saved Chat File. Or it could be all Bliz proprietary happy fun sauce. |
| 15:36.58 | Adys | how bout warcraft file |
| 15:37.04 | Yewbacca | How do I loop through all the items of an existing UIDropDownMenu if I know the name of the menu object? I don't like the API, perhaps I should go over to Dewdrop? |
| 15:37.08 | alestane | .wtf is supposedly Warcraft Text File. |
| 15:37.13 | Adys | or |
| 15:37.18 | Adys | warcraft enCrypted file :) |
| 15:37.21 | Yewbacca | or what the f**k |
| 15:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | warcraft crafty file! |
| 15:37.59 | nicoli_s | its most certainly a proprietary format |
| 15:38.01 | nicoli_s | blizz loves those |
| 15:38.08 | Lopeppeppy | Why should they not? |
| 15:38.34 | alestane | And since I don't think they want you randomly editing things out of their "you can't has" list, I daresay they've protected it in some way. |
| 15:38.45 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 15:39.05 | nicoli_s | its def signed in some way |
| 15:39.15 | jaxdahl | sure, but it'd be interesting to see what they may have banned |
| 15:39.28 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing, so far as anyone knows. |
| 15:41.49 | nicoli_s | didnt find anything, though i did find this pastebin: http://ja.pastebin.ca/1451876 which was pretty hilarious, you can see blizard variables/methods like hasGlider1 and hasInnerSpace |
| 15:42.11 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I guess Glider is only to be expected, now innit? |
| 15:42.55 | nicoli_s | ayuh |
| 15:42.58 | jaxdahl | afaik innerspace has been very hard to detect |
| 15:43.12 | Kraps | speaking of banning, have any of you read or heard about the alleged rampant suspensions/bans of accounts by Blizz? |
| 15:44.43 | nicoli_s | nope |
| 15:44.43 | jaxdahl | Kraps, heard of a lot of 72 hours, not sure for what |
| 15:44.43 | jaxdahl | FL shennanigans? |
| 15:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | Define "rampant" ? They regularly ban goldselling accounts in large blocks, rather than one at a time, maybe you're hearing of that. |
| 15:44.43 | nicoli_s | i know the guy who does innerspace, he spends alot of time making it hard to detect constantly |
| 15:44.44 | jaxdahl | one of the bot writers for isxwow was a coworker of mine, he got banned over 40 times |
| 15:44.45 | Kraps | jaxdahl: read about something on vezzax too |
| 15:45.05 | nicoli_s | which guy jaxdahl? |
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| 15:45.09 | jaxdahl | eqjoe |
| 15:45.15 | nicoli_s | ahh yeah |
| 15:45.48 | Fisker | Warcraft Cuntblocker File |
| 15:45.51 | jaxdahl | botted to r14 back in the day |
| 15:46.09 | Lopeppeppy | ~Fisker++ |
| 15:46.15 | jaxdahl | Kraps, i haven't heard of vezax sploits |
| 15:46.25 | jaxdahl | the FL one was kiting him outside so his HP didn't reset |
| 15:46.27 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:46.32 | jaxdahl | you could solo him that way |
| 15:47.01 | Kraps | outside what? |
| 15:47.20 | Grum | its when you walk outside of your instance at home |
| 15:48.44 | Fisker | As far as i know even people who didn't exploit the kiting method got banned |
| 15:49.04 | jaxdahl | Kraps, outside the force field |
| 15:49.13 | jaxdahl | kiting to entrance, then zone out and he goes back but doesn't reset hp |
| 15:49.56 | Grum | yes because after all the nerfs it is still so hard to do hardmode o.O |
| 15:52.12 | Fisker | i lol'd when we took him after an hour of tries last sunday |
| 15:52.48 | Kraps | Fisker: all towers up? |
| 15:53.38 | Fisker | ye |
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| 15:55.16 | Grum | its nrefed bad :( |
| 15:55.22 | |Jelly| | STATION |
| 15:55.30 | Lunessa | It's hot. Africa hot. Tarzan can't take that kind of hot. |
| 15:55.41 | Lopeppeppy | I watched the movie last night, Lunessa. I saw the stations! |
| 15:55.49 | Lunessa | WOO! STATION! |
| 15:56.11 | Kraps | what movie? |
| 15:56.12 | Yewbacca | Hmm is there some sort of OnMouseOver event? If so I can't find it |
| 15:56.15 | Yewbacca | For frames |
| 15:56.19 | |Jelly| | It's only 91.3 there, Lunessa. Wuzz. |
| 15:56.22 | |Jelly| | Wuss too. |
| 15:56.29 | Lunessa | Yewbacca: OnEnter |
| 15:56.33 | Yewbacca | Oh thanks <3 |
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| 15:56.35 | Lopeppeppy | 85ish today, no A/C in the building. |
| 15:57.19 | Silversage | Mmm. |
| 15:58.02 | nicoli_s | i feel for ya lorenpeppy |
| 15:58.18 | nicoli_s | the AC in my apt complex has gotten real shitty lately, gets up to 85 in the house with the AC on |
| 15:58.25 | |Jelly| | ewww |
| 15:58.53 | cog|work | http://thefuckingweather.com imo |
| 15:58.59 | |Jelly| | cooooog! |
| 15:59.04 | cog|work | o/ |
| 15:59.07 | |Jelly| | I talked about you on the forums the other day! |
| 15:59.52 | Kraps | been raining all freaking week in nyc |
| 15:59.57 | |Jelly| | http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=76137 disagrees with http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=76137 |
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| 16:02.00 | Fisker | man |
| 16:02.02 | Fisker | it's fucking nice here |
| 16:03.40 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/129315811 |
| 16:08.43 | VonhintenHOME` | it's hot as fuck here in tallahassee FL |
| 16:08.52 | VonhintenHOME` | and the humidity kills |
| 16:09.50 | Yewbacca | So does anybody know how to loop through an UIDropDownMenu's items? I can't find anything on this online. |
| 16:10.01 | Yewbacca | I just wanna loop through every item and get their value and .checked state. |
| 16:13.44 | VonhintenHOME` | Have you looked through the FrameXML? UIDropDownMenu.lua? |
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| 16:15.04 | Shirik_ | Thunder_Child: ping! |
| 16:15.06 | Mikk | Aye, noone's going to be documenting that soon, since it's all available in the source |
| 16:18.54 | Yewbacca | Umm not sure, there's getglobal("DropDownList"..i.."Button"..j); in there, but that calls the slow getglobal. |
| 16:19.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, pong |
| 16:20.04 | alestane | They're purging getglobal in 3.2. And exaclty how often are you calling this search function? |
| 16:20.23 | Yewbacca | alestane that's their framexml code. And I am glad, so we're getting a faster version? |
| 16:20.33 | NeoTron | _G[] |
| 16:20.58 | Yewbacca | Maybe I am better off doing something in addbutton like: checked = function() return BlahcheckedState(self) end |
| 16:21.10 | Yewbacca | Going to try if that works |
| 16:21.15 | VonhintenHOME` | oh god |
| 16:21.25 | NeoTron | VonhintenHOME`: you rang? |
| 16:22.56 | VonhintenHOME` | How slow is getglobal really... I mean, would you need to do a million iterations to notice a difference |
| 16:23.09 | VonhintenHOME` | a hundred thousand? |
| 16:23.12 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/601/ -- damn it. I knew it. |
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| 16:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ya |
| 16:23.20 | Yewbacca | I thought you commented on the checked = function thing VonhintenHOME` |
| 16:23.28 | NeoTron | it's more characters to type! |
| 16:23.40 | NeoTron | but really, never understood why you'd do a function call instead of a simple hash lookup |
| 16:23.41 | Yewbacca | Going ahead with that now, trying to make it so checkmarks appear next to the labels whose settings are set |
| 16:23.45 | VonhintenHOME` | I was commenting on that... |
| 16:24.04 | Yewbacca | licks VonhintenHOME` |
| 16:25.23 | Yewbacca | If you know something I don't, please do tell |
| 16:26.12 | VonhintenHOME` | I would put wrapping functions under the "avoid if you can" catagory |
| 16:26.42 | Lunessa | I generally agree. |
| 16:27.20 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 16:27.27 | VonhintenHOME` | You don't count |
| 16:27.35 | Yewbacca | I agriculture |
| 16:27.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:27.53 | Fisker | Why must you be so mean VonhintenHOME` ? |
| 16:28.09 | VonhintenHOME` | Something in the water |
| 16:28.42 | Lunessa | Fisker: I think you count. After all, negative numbers have some important uses. |
| 16:28.43 | Fisker | in the mountains? |
| 16:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | Mountains have water too. |
| 16:29.24 | cog|work | and dew |
| 16:29.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031184432&sid=1 |
| 16:29.46 | Yewbacca | Hrm, well, "checked = DropDown_GetMenuItemState" does not work because nothing is passed to the function. So what's the point in returning true/nil if you can't know what called it? |
| 16:30.03 | Yewbacca | I hate the UIDropDownMenu API :P |
| 16:30.31 | Yewbacca | In contrast, the function set as "func" receives a reference to the element |
| 16:31.10 | Yewbacca | I am gonna redesign this so that checked is set to true or nil in the initialize function instead of separately |
| 16:31.11 | Yewbacca | :/ |
| 16:31.44 | Thunder_Child | damit Shirik_ |
| 16:31.45 | VonhintenHOME` | I think you should get over your fear of getglobal |
| 16:31.58 | Shirik_ | what did I do :( |
| 16:31.58 | Yewbacca | :D |
| 16:31.59 | Thunder_Child | i ponged the wrong one |
| 16:32.05 | Thunder_Child | and you didnt answer |
| 16:32.06 | Shirik_ | oh |
| 16:32.17 | Shirik_ | I got the name of the site |
| 16:32.17 | Shirik_ | but it doesn't look free to me |
| 16:32.21 | Shirik_ | it's called "Zenfolio" |
| 16:32.27 | Thunder_Child | peruses |
| 16:33.01 | Thunder_Child | nope, not when it says "free trial" |
| 16:33.03 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:33.15 | Shirik_ | that's why I said that :P |
| 16:33.23 | foxlit | Lunessa: curious, I think I replied to that on the opie comments page |
| 16:33.46 | foxlit | Basically my fault, fixed in next release. Use a different keybinding or add a modifier meanwhile. |
| 16:34.00 | Lunessa | I haven't see your comments page. I'm not currently using OPie, but I thought that issue was odd. :) |
| 16:34.16 | foxlit | It's an infinite recursion |
| 16:34.30 | foxlit | Though I do wonder why it's "Call failed" and not "C stack overflow" |
| 16:34.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, as i read through their list of things i notice that devart has a large number of them |
| 16:35.28 | Shirik | I haven't actually looked at it significantly yet |
| 16:35.35 | Shirik | just got out of a meeting and asked the guy while I was there |
| 16:35.38 | Shirik | need to work :) |
| 16:35.43 | Thunder_Child | http://www.zenfolio.com/zf/pricing.aspx gives you the best infop |
| 16:35.46 | Thunder_Child | info* |
| 16:35.57 | Shirik | I'll ask him why not deviant art |
| 16:36.07 | Thunder_Child | sounds good |
| 16:37.37 | foxlit | "Monthly bandwidth traffic: no limit" |
| 16:37.41 | foxlit | I am puzzled. |
| 16:37.42 | Syzgyn | Booo, flask of the north is weaksauce |
| 16:38.14 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, why? |
| 16:38.51 | Lunessa | What has been seen cannot be unseen. |
| 16:39.01 | foxlit | Because bandwidth costs |
| 16:39.38 | Lunessa | And the Vista picture widget is not something you should be running on your laptop when you hand it to a tech to configure. |
| 16:40.25 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: so a dress bought/rented specifically for a wedding that is not worn by the bride does not have a specific name |
| 16:42.49 | Kraps | its own noun |
| 16:43.01 | nicoli_s | at-a-wedding dress? |
| 16:43.08 | Thunder_Child | only for the brides maids |
| 16:43.37 | Kraps | nicoli_s: interesting |
| 16:44.04 | nicoli_s | dress-that-you-wear-at-a-wedding-that-isnt-a-wedding-or-brides-maids-dress |
| 16:44.14 | Kraps | :) |
| 16:44.38 | Fisker | OMFG |
| 16:44.40 | Fisker | OH MY GOD |
| 16:45.16 | Lopeppeppy | dress for the wedding, as opposed to the wedding dress. |
| 16:45.20 | Fisker | i had a "A pornography starring your mother would be the second worst thing that happens to you today"-quote as my signature |
| 16:45.24 | Fisker | So the moderation team removed it and i changed mine to: "ZE MODERATION TEAM IS A SOUL-LESS MONSTER " |
| 16:45.29 | Lopeppeppy | When I say it that way, everyone knows what I mean. And I need a dress for a friend's wedding. |
| 16:45.37 | Fisker | Now they changed my signature to "Ze moderation team sees all! ;-)" |
| 16:45.38 | Fisker | :D |
| 16:45.42 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=9520948004&postId=97861496537&sid=1#2 |
| 16:45.54 | NightHawkTheSane | are we still talking about wedding dresses? |
| 16:45.59 | Kraps | of course, this whole discussion digresses from the point i was making when i first brought up this issue |
| 16:46.04 | durcyn | no one reads the european forums, Fisker |
| 16:46.22 | Fisker | your mom does |
| 16:46.39 | cog|work | din mor! |
| 16:47.03 | Kraps | s/i first brought up this issue/this issue was brought up/ |
| 16:47.31 | Bruners | Fisker: what is your God ? |
| 16:47.32 | NeoTron | Fisker: signature owned |
| 16:47.50 | Fisker | your mom Bruners |
| 16:47.59 | Lunessa | Peppy - Renting a dress for a wedding is acceptable. |
| 16:48.26 | cog|work | Bruners: i am |
| 16:50.26 | Kraps | that women/girls in at-a-wedding dresses are fine |
| 16:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, there's really not anywhere for me to get such a thing around here, since it's not a formal wedding. I'll likely buy a skirt and top I can repurpose for work afterward. |
| 16:51.43 | Lunessa | Peppy - I approve of this plan. |
| 16:52.38 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: "it's not a formal wedding" pardon but what does that mean? |
| 16:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | Formal = church and bridesmaids and groomsmen and someone seating you and programs and froof. |
| 16:53.21 | Lopeppeppy | This is a wedding with a justice, at a park, 60 guests, no program, no tux on the groom, etc. |
| 16:53.44 | Kraps | i like the latter |
| 16:53.54 | Kraps | they should all be like that |
| 16:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | Mine was, so much nicer than a bunch of penguin suits and spending a lot of money for froof. |
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| 17:00.04 | NightHawkTheSane | a formal wedding is a way of making up for your own insecurities and worthlessness with advertising the fact that someone tolerates you enough to marry you. :P |
| 17:00.29 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | why no, i'm not the least bit cynical, why do you ask? :) |
| 17:01.26 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: thats what i thought |
| 17:01.29 | Lunessa | We need to quit telling people that a wedding will be the single most important day of their lives, and that is must be occasioned with a lot of expense which will leave them in debt for 20 years. |
| 17:01.49 | Thunder_Child | isnt that school? |
| 17:02.04 | Yewbacca | Is there any shorter way to ensure that a variable will always be true/false, not the value? I mean in this case: bar = 1; foo = (bar == true) |
| 17:02.24 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Not really. School leaves you with debt for 20 years, and it takes more than a day. |
| 17:02.30 | Yewbacca | (bar == true) forces true/false and specific terms. is there a faster way for that? I don't want the value of foo, I want true/false whether it contains something |
| 17:02.46 | nevcairiel | if bar then..? |
| 17:02.48 | jnwhiteh | then you do it that way |
| 17:02.52 | jnwhiteh | but why do you need this? |
| 17:03.11 | jnwhiteh | does if not var then not work? |
| 17:03.30 | Yewbacca | Certain functions only accept false/true, and I don't wanna pass it this particul;ar variable unprocessed (into true/false) because it may contain text |
| 17:03.39 | Yewbacca | So yeah (foo == true) is the only way? |
| 17:04.18 | nevcairiel | if foo contains text, that will always be false |
| 17:04.34 | nevcairiel | lua> foo = "bar"; return (foo == true) |
| 17:04.34 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: false |
| 17:04.46 | nevcairiel | if you *really* want to make it a boolean, do this |
| 17:04.50 | Yewbacca | Exactly, hence why I ask if there is a shorter way to force true/false than == true |
| 17:04.51 | nevcairiel | lua> foo = "bar"; return (not not foo) |
| 17:04.51 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: true |
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| 17:05.08 | Yewbacca | Umm that's identical to (foo == true) :P |
| 17:05.09 | jnwhiteh | Yewbacca: what "certain" functions? |
| 17:05.22 | Yewbacca | jnwhiteh let's not get into that, it's another topic :) |
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| 17:05.34 | jnwhiteh | but a relevant one, considering we've already answered your first question |
| 17:05.34 | nevcairiel | Yewbacca: if its identical, why does it produce different outputs? |
| 17:05.42 | NeoTron | it's clearly not identical |
| 17:05.43 | nevcairiel | hence, its not |
| 17:05.44 | nevcairiel | =P |
| 17:05.51 | Yewbacca | Haha oh I see that now |
| 17:06.02 | Yewbacca | Well that won't verify the data, so yeah == true it is |
| 17:06.07 | Yewbacca | thanks for the tip, I'll remember it |
| 17:06.13 | Yewbacca | not not ;) |
| 17:06.22 | nevcairiel | gives up |
| 17:06.30 | NeoTron | Yewbacca: you're missing the point |
| 17:06.37 | Yewbacca | I don't want text to evaluate to true, so no |
| 17:06.49 | NeoTron | foo == true is only true if foo is the exact value of true |
| 17:06.54 | Yewbacca | Exactly! |
| 17:06.59 | Yewbacca | Yewbacca • Well that won't verify the data, so yeah == true it is |
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| 17:07.25 | NeoTron | then your requirements as stated above were rather confusing |
| 17:07.30 | jaxdahl | if they changed GetDifficultyColor to GetQuestDifficultyColor what are you supposed to use now for units? |
| 17:07.31 | Yewbacca | Sorry if that was the case :) |
| 17:08.46 | jnwhiteh | !api Difficulty |
| 17:08.46 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'Difficulty': GetInstanceDifficulty, GetDefaultDungeonDifficulty, GetCurrentDungeonDifficulty, SetDungeonDifficulty |
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| 17:08.52 | jnwhiteh | dunno :P |
| 17:08.56 | Yewbacca | Sick command |
| 17:08.56 | jnwhiteh | check the default UI |
| 17:08.59 | jnwhiteh | see how its done |
| 17:09.02 | Yewbacca | !api loldongs |
| 17:09.03 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'loldongs'. |
| 17:09.14 | Seerah | -.- |
| 17:09.32 | Bruners | Fisker: where is my tax monies!? |
| 17:09.33 | Thunder_Child | admit it Seerah, you liked it |
| 17:09.37 | Kraps | lua_bot has no sense of humor |
| 17:09.39 | Yewbacca | Bah, I am gonna start a petition that blizzard implements that command |
| 17:09.41 | Seerah | ~poke Thunder_Child |
| 17:09.50 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge Seerah |
| 17:09.57 | jaxdahl | hm, looks like GetQuestDifficultyColor is the exact same function still |
| 17:10.02 | Thunder_Child | though purl seems to have issues lately |
| 17:10.02 | Seerah | misses purl |
| 17:10.05 | Seerah | :( |
| 17:10.08 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: its a Lua function, so your API might not have it |
| 17:10.13 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Seerah |
| 17:10.13 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of Seerah |
| 17:10.16 | Thunder_Child | see that works |
| 17:10.27 | Seerah | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 17:10.27 | purl | burns Thunder_Child to a crisp with a laser |
| 17:10.33 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: ah, then it needs to be whitelisted :P |
| 17:10.42 | Thunder_Child | i think the factoid db is down or somesuch |
| 17:10.43 | Seerah | a lazer /pinky to mouth ;) |
| 17:10.47 | jnwhiteh | jaxdahl: but does the unit frame use it? |
| 17:11.03 | Thunder_Child | ty dr. evil |
| 17:11.11 | jaxdahl | !api quests_displayed_org |
| 17:11.11 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'quests_displayed_org'. |
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| 17:11.51 | Lunessa | An /evil/ Seerah? |
| 17:11.57 | Seerah | where?!?! |
| 17:12.40 | Seerah | Lunessa: That's *DR.* evil Seerah to you - I didn't spend 4 years in evil medical school for nothing :p |
| 17:13.10 | Lunessa | squees in delight. |
| 17:13.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh. Rawr. |
| 17:13.47 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa and Lopeppeppy |
| 17:14.21 | Lunessa | brb - must restart to apply OS patch. |
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| 17:16.21 | jaxdahl | jnwhiteh yes |
| 17:17.08 | jnwhiteh | jaxdahl: ? |
| 17:17.55 | jnwhiteh | i have a short memory, what are you 'yes' ing to? :P |
| 17:18.47 | NeoTron | jnwhiteh: "but does the unit frame use it?"? |
| 17:18.59 | jnwhiteh | ah, thanks :P |
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| 17:19.39 | Lunessa | oh hai. |
| 17:20.18 | Kraps | Quest creatures and objects will now show on the player’s world map. hope it integrates with carbonite |
| 17:20.30 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 17:20.33 | jnwhiteh | it tries to replace it =) |
| 17:20.43 | jnwhiteh | i think you mean "hope carbonite changes their addon to use it" |
| 17:20.50 | Kraps | yes |
| 17:21.10 | NeoTron | out of curiosity, what does carbonite provide more? does it tell you where to pick quests up? |
| 17:21.21 | Kraps | the default world map sucks major ass |
| 17:21.34 | NightHawkTheSane | carbonite will wash your dishes and do your laundry! |
| 17:22.22 | Bruners | i don't even know what carbonite is |
| 17:22.35 | NightHawkTheSane | its what they froze han in. :P |
| 17:22.44 | Lunessa | It induces perfect hibernation. |
| 17:22.52 | Kraps | its a pc backupservice |
| 17:22.59 | Kraps | :p |
| 17:23.28 | Lunessa | You have hibernation sickness. It is a side effect of being encased in the carbonite. |
| 17:24.13 | Adys | Anyone got Chrome 2 ? |
| 17:24.21 | mikma | yes |
| 17:24.55 | Adys | mikma: I need your help™ |
| 17:25.02 | mikma | focha, lol |
| 17:25.06 | Adys | mikma: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/4 do you see a listing on chrome 2 ? |
| 17:25.36 | mikma | adys: nope |
| 17:25.41 | Adys | hm |
| 17:25.44 | Kalroth | chrome sex |
| 17:25.52 | Adys | ok gimme a sec |
| 17:26.03 | Lunessa | Adys: I'm using Chrome 2.0.172.33 on my Vista box. |
| 17:26.04 | mikma | ok, sec up |
| 17:26.08 | Kalroth | nice of you to put a chrome advert in the bottom of the page and then it doesn't even work!! |
| 17:26.19 | Adys | its a chrome3 advert. |
| 17:26.30 | nicoli_s | no listing here either |
| 17:26.32 | Kalroth | it says Chrome, not chrome3 |
| 17:27.32 | Adys | nicoli_s / mikma try this http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/4?baz |
| 17:27.46 | Bruners | fail chrome is fail ? |
| 17:27.49 | mikma | now i see a listing |
| 17:27.59 | Adys | Bruners: no, it crashes because of an IE workaround |
| 17:28.04 | Adys | ok thanks |
| 17:28.30 | Bruners | Adys: and it works here too :P |
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| 17:31.31 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 17:31.36 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 17:31.38 | Fisker | blues say mac client will be up soon |
| 17:31.55 | Bruners | mac client what? |
| 17:32.01 | jnwhiteh | good, thanks |
| 17:32.05 | Fisker | of 3.2.0 ptr |
| 17:34.02 | Bruners | Fisker: i found your favorite song! http://open.spotify.com/track/0NKA2GWoXo8djibJzIwr3x |
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| 17:34.29 | Kraps | "So with well-geared premade characters, a general understanding of raid mechanics, and decent healers, you killed a boss? " |
| 17:34.32 | Kraps | heh |
| 17:34.50 | Kraps | someone complained that the new voa boss is too easy |
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| 17:37.37 | jnwhiteh | they're all so easy. |
| 17:39.53 | mikma | YOU are too easy! |
| 17:40.06 | Cide | Bruners: best part |
| 17:40.12 | Cide | "That album is not available in Sweden" |
| 17:40.17 | Adys | mikma, Bruners, can you check this? http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/4?badoumga |
| 17:40.19 | Cide | click Alexander Rybak, click Fairytale |
| 17:40.21 | Cide | plays np |
| 17:40.31 | Cide | Adys: you created mmoc db? |
| 17:40.37 | Adys | Cide: yea |
| 17:40.38 | mikma | adys: what do we need to see? |
| 17:40.41 | Cide | no wonder it SUCKS SO MUCH |
| 17:40.49 | Adys | Cide: its in python |
| 17:40.51 | Adys | now gtfo |
| 17:40.52 | Cide | I know |
| 17:40.56 | Cide | ?id__gt=xxx |
| 17:40.57 | Bruners | Adys: works |
| 17:40.59 | Cide | made it obvious |
| 17:41.02 | Adys | :D |
| 17:41.06 | Adys | cheers |
| 17:41.22 | Adys | Cide: also, crash that bitch with weird filters |
| 17:41.26 | Adys | I want some stress testing |
| 17:41.33 | Bruners | Cide: yeah, checked the top list just now, loads of songs are that way |
| 17:41.53 | Cide | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/4?badoumgaasdfsdafsdafnsdafisdanfkskdanfskdanfskdafnskdafnsdakfnaskdfnsdalkfnsdalfknsdalfknsdafksdanflksdafsdaasfinsafdisdanfisdanfisdanfisdanfisdafnasdifnsaidfnsadifnsdaifsdanfisandfisadnflisdanlsdaflsdaifnsaildfnsadilfsdaniasdfinsadfiunsdaifnsdaifnasifdnsadfinsdafinsadfisdanflinsdfilsdagnfdjg;nfsdgfds |
| 17:41.55 | Cide | works. |
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| 17:42.58 | alestane | Wow, this BT run consists of really asinine people. |
| 17:43.04 | Adys | thats not a filter cide |
| 17:43.05 | Adys | :( |
| 17:43.13 | Cide | appending __gt=1 also worked |
| 17:43.20 | Adys | your mom also worked |
| 17:43.24 | Cide | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/4?id__in=[1,2,3,4,5] appears to not respond |
| 17:43.30 | End | alestane: welcome to bugs |
| 17:43.34 | End | er |
| 17:43.35 | End | pugs |
| 17:43.36 | Fisker | what bout O__o |
| 17:43.41 | Fisker | about* |
| 17:43.55 | End | Fisker: TRY IT |
| 17:44.07 | Cide | Adys: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/4?id__in=[1,2,3,4,5] totally doesn't want to respond |
| 17:44.19 | Cide | successful crash? yes indeed |
| 17:44.19 | KarlKFI | i want ilvl 258 gear... |
| 17:44.47 | Adys | invalid literal for int() with base 10: '[' |
| 17:44.48 | Bruners | i want it to be colder in here |
| 17:44.48 | Adys | urmom |
| 17:45.12 | Cide | fixed yet? |
| 17:45.19 | Adys | in a min |
| 17:45.24 | Adys | going through the 500 log |
| 17:45.37 | Lunessa | Bah, I still need to kill Emalon. |
| 17:46.02 | Adys | fixed, pushing soon |
| 17:46.21 | mikma | You have specified an invalid filter. If you believe this to be bug in the database, please report it to boubouille@mmo-champion.com. |
| 17:46.25 | mikma | xD |
| 17:47.05 | nevcairiel | *another* DB site? |
| 17:47.10 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 17:47.17 | jaxdahl | nevcairiel, it's supposedly not for public use |
| 17:47.32 | jaxdahl | ie, not intended to ever become a wowhead competitor |
| 17:48.10 | End | ie, no comments |
| 17:48.13 | Cide | Adys: why not email yourself the error? |
| 17:48.15 | durcyn | wowhead and such are pretty crap about adding ptr items, and until now the gap's been filled by screenshots |
| 17:48.18 | Cide | or do you? |
| 17:48.36 | nevcairiel | for big ptrs wowhead launches a PTR DB |
| 17:48.43 | nevcairiel | i can udnerstand not adding into the main db |
| 17:49.32 | Kraps | "settling for less fun is a serious condition" six flags ads pwn |
| 17:50.19 | mikma | mmo-db.com ^^ |
| 17:51.51 | KarlKFI | six flags would be more fun if the lines were max 30min |
| 17:52.20 | Adys | Cide: most of it is db load/caching err |
| 17:52.30 | durcyn | didn't six flags just file for bankruptcy |
| 17:52.42 | KarlKFI | or with one of those $80 additional fast passes to everything |
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| 17:54.02 | Kraps | KarlKFI: are those the pay-once-for-a-year passes? |
| 17:54.26 | KarlKFI | no, they're the pay $$$ on top of admission price to skip all the lines. |
| 17:55.18 | KarlKFI | except it's more like you get a certain number of passes and can split them however you want, one per ride per person |
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| 17:57.26 | Adys | Cide: is there an unicode trim function or something? |
| 17:57.29 | Kraps | KarlKFI: what formula would be used to figure out if those are worth it? :D |
| 17:57.45 | KarlKFI | http://www.sixflags.com/magicMountain/tickets/flashpass.aspx |
| 17:58.09 | Cide | unicode.trim? |
| 17:58.12 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/38640/dense-frostweave-bandage/ :P |
| 17:58.24 | Cide | >>> unicode.trim |
| 17:58.58 | KarlKFI | Gold The Flash Passes start from $62 |
| 17:59.16 | KarlKFI | X2 and Terminator are extra |
| 17:59.23 | KarlKFI | extra persons are extra |
| 17:59.30 | alestane | So, what's the deal with the Soul Drain thing on Essence of Suffering? |
| 17:59.39 | Kraps | mikma: why the hell werent those put in the game? |
| 17:59.53 | End | whut |
| 18:00.17 | End | The company that owns Bethesda, which is ZeniMax, just bought id Software |
| 18:00.21 | KarlKFI | they were in beta. but they took them out |
| 18:00.23 | KarlKFI | neh? |
| 18:00.58 | KarlKFI | i had a book i couldn't learn for dense but then one beta patch it became a grey item |
| 18:01.33 | Kraps | KarlKFI: i know they were in beta |
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| 18:03.32 | KarlKFI | oh i guess they changed how the flash passses work |
| 18:04.14 | KarlKFI | regular is like a disneyland fast pass now, gold is like a fast pass where you don't have to get a ticket before hand |
| 18:04.25 | Fisker | ID software |
| 18:05.02 | KarlKFI | so a 2 person gold is $101 + admission ($50ish) |
| 18:05.33 | KarlKFI | which on a weekend would probably save you an hour per ride. |
| 18:06.06 | KarlKFI | so you'd be ably to go on roughly 2-3 times more rides. |
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| 18:08.04 | KarlKFI | so if you're there for 10 hours you'd be getting maybe 10-15 rides |
| 18:08.32 | KarlKFI | compared to the normal 5-7 you'd get |
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| 18:10.05 | KarlKFI | so that's... $5-10 more per ride per person... |
| 18:10.34 | Kraps | if you're there for 10 hours you'd be getting a huge fucking migrane |
| 18:10.43 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:10.45 | Kraps | at least i do |
| 18:10.51 | KarlKFI | oh not to mention eating |
| 18:11.04 | KarlKFI | i accounted fro traveling... |
| 18:11.09 | Kraps | even if i hardly go on rides |
| 18:11.35 | |Jelly| | Didn't the flashpass used to just let you cut in line? lol |
| 18:11.37 | KarlKFI | well i guess 5 is doable if you eat ona normal weekend |
| 18:11.54 | KarlKFI | they still do if you get the gold ones jelly |
| 18:12.20 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 18:13.04 | KarlKFI | you go in a special entrance which takes you directly to the loading deck |
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| 18:13.24 | Dagmar | I'm glad they're killing that program |
| 18:13.25 | KarlKFI | so you only wait like 10-20 min |
| 18:13.39 | Dagmar | It was the very definition of snooty perks for rich people |
| 18:13.55 | Dagmar | "Pay us extra and we don't let the TSA personell molest your wife!" |
| 18:14.36 | KarlKFI | it does come with free scorn fromt he rest of the park |
| 18:15.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 18:15.10 | Dagmar | It's like there's a wave of egalitarianism |
| 18:15.18 | Dagmar | I just scrolled up and realized ya'll are talkign about Disneyland |
| 18:15.26 | Dagmar | They're ditching that same thing at the airports |
| 18:15.30 | KarlKFI | they should just up the entrance price and cut down on their lines |
| 18:15.46 | KarlKFI | six flags actually, silly |
| 18:16.18 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: They should start setting up reservations for part of the entry, and consider closing doors when teh place gets over cap |
| 18:16.38 | KarlKFI | meh. reservations suck |
| 18:16.51 | KarlKFI | then again, so does getting up early |
| 18:16.55 | Kraps | or remove some rides to cut lines a la wintergrasp! |
| 18:17.06 | Kraps | :) |
| 18:17.17 | Dagmar | Wintergrasp has an attendance cap. |
| 18:17.22 | Dagmar | They didn't close other dungeons for it |
| 18:17.59 | Kraps | talking about live |
| 18:18.10 | Kraps | lower rewards |
| 18:18.32 | Dagmar | Your analogy is still weak |
| 18:19.09 | Dagmar | Think of it more like having your finger dyed purple so you can't come back for a week. ;l) |
| 18:19.45 | Esamynn | oh! you have purple finger! you no can enter! |
| 18:20.01 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 18:20.11 | Dagmar | Kinda like Iran, where they shoot you for it |
| 18:20.42 | Kraps | you mean iraq |
| 18:21.28 | Kraps | the iraq |
| 18:21.32 | Kraps | such as |
| 18:22.11 | Kraps | U.S. Americans |
| 18:22.18 | Kraps | such as |
| 18:22.20 | Dagmar | Actually, no I meant Iran. |
| 18:22.27 | Dagmar | Turn on the news every once in awhile |
| 18:22.40 | End | Iran is all sorts of screwed up right now |
| 18:22.41 | durcyn | he was referencing a tired years-old meme |
| 18:22.49 | Dagmar | I feel for those people, because the place is kinda coming apart at the seems right now |
| 18:22.55 | Dagmar | s/seems/seams/; |
| 18:23.21 | Adys | Cide: I meant like something to trim out all characters not within a specific encoding |
| 18:23.23 | Dagmar | It's not often I get a video sent to me that shows a woman just bleeding out |
| 18:23.39 | End | I've so far avoided seeing that video. |
| 18:23.44 | Esamynn | Dagmar: sounds like what the Middle East has been trying to do for centuries |
| 18:23.48 | Dagmar | That's good. It's gruesome |
| 18:23.51 | Esamynn | come apart at the seams, that is |
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| 18:24.02 | Kraps | nah, they just gotta kill enough people to make protesting not worth it |
| 18:24.04 | Dagmar | Esamynn: Welll, they're making one hell of a good attempt at it now |
| 18:24.17 | Esamynn | just another one in a long history |
| 18:24.24 | Esamynn | but yah, it's particularly bad atm |
| 18:25.27 | Cide | Adys: easy. take all choices of the string, try to encode/decode it, discard ones raising an exception, grab the longest string. |
| 18:25.40 | Adys | right |
| 18:25.44 | Cide | best algorithm. |
| 18:27.04 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/druid/ |
| 18:27.08 | Adys | I always knew deep down |
| 18:27.14 | Adys | druids were all demons |
| 18:27.21 | Cide | ./c/? |
| 18:27.26 | Adys | creature |
| 18:27.31 | Cide | dude |
| 18:27.33 | Esamynn | Adys: you must now die |
| 18:27.35 | Cide | use ./creature/ |
| 18:27.43 | Lunessa | There is a fundamental flaw with most things middle east - people want redress for the past - all 4,000 or more years of it that they've recorded. It makes it hard to move forward. |
| 18:27.43 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/creature/druid/ |
| 18:27.44 | Adys | like that? |
| 18:27.45 | Adys | :P |
| 18:27.49 | Cide | yes |
| 18:27.55 | Adys | c is faster to type |
| 18:27.55 | Ackis | Adys: is there one for recipes? :D |
| 18:27.56 | Cide | and remove the shortcut |
| 18:28.02 | Adys | why? |
| 18:28.26 | Adys | Ackis: um sec |
| 18:28.33 | Cide | 1) it's not "n" for "npcs", 2) it's very implicit, 3) it's confusing if there are multiple choices with the same initial letter |
| 18:28.42 | Cide | (which one is the right one?) |
| 18:28.43 | Adys | Ackis: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?teaches_spell__gt=1 |
| 18:29.06 | Adys | Cide: thottbot uses c too, npc works too as shortcut |
| 18:29.15 | Ackis | ty Adys |
| 18:29.19 | Cide | thottbot is hardly a valid example of good design |
| 18:29.34 | Cide | you really need "filter" to just equal .exclude(filter__isnull=True) |
| 18:29.49 | Cide | instead of hacking it with "filter__gt=1" |
| 18:30.15 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/14885/jonathan-lecraft/ http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/jonathan-lecraft/ http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/14885/ http://db.mmo-champion.com/c14885/ |
| 18:30.17 | Adys | all the same url |
| 18:30.27 | Adys | replace c by npc or creature at will |
| 18:30.42 | arkanes_ | what do you use for your URL dispatch? |
| 18:30.43 | Adys | canonical url is /c/14885/jonathan-lecraft |
| 18:30.48 | Adys | django |
| 18:30.55 | arkanes_ | nifty |
| 18:32.24 | Cide | django also advocates having one url for each location :P |
| 18:32.29 | Cide | emphasis on one |
| 18:32.54 | Esamynn | oh no, Cide, we can't have that |
| 18:32.55 | Adys | django can suck my ass |
| 18:33.01 | Adys | I had to modify half of it to make it work with wow data |
| 18:33.07 | jnwhiteh | mmm ass suckage |
| 18:33.22 | Adys | Cide: Im working on having canonical url tags up soon for google |
| 18:33.28 | Esamynn | .... bad jnwhiteh |
| 18:33.33 | jnwhiteh | wha??? |
| 18:33.40 | mikma | woo |
| 18:33.44 | mikma | ass suckage |
| 18:33.48 | jnwhiteh | 770 resilience |
| 18:33.51 | jnwhiteh | almost there |
| 18:33.54 | jnwhiteh | so close! |
| 18:34.05 | jnwhiteh | where are the arena VENDORS these days? |
| 18:34.22 | jnwhiteh | there some in dalaran? |
| 18:34.23 | Esamynn | heck if I know |
| 18:34.26 | sacarasc | Underbelly in Dalaran. |
| 18:34.27 | Esamynn | sewers? |
| 18:34.32 | _rane | underbelly in dalaran |
| 18:34.53 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 18:34.56 | Esamynn | I keep meaning to try the arena, but I haven't since pre 3.0 |
| 18:35.08 | Cide | jnwhiteh: the underbelly in dalaran |
| 18:35.17 | Kraps | i need someone to carry me in arena, any takers? |
| 18:35.17 | sacarasc | I got a team up to 779 rating because I rock! |
| 18:35.18 | _rane | wow |
| 18:35.23 | Esamynn | yes Cide, I think we established that |
| 18:35.35 | *** part/#wowuidev Cide (n=EAndre@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 18:35.36 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap sacarasc |
| 18:36.06 | Esamynn | ~stats |
| 18:36.06 | purl | Since Thu Apr 30 17:30:04 2009, there have been 488 modifications, 3912 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1950 commands. I have been awake for 55d 1h 6m 2s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 44116 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 136464.38/4034.85 child 0.09/0.05 |
| 18:36.17 | Esamynn | :( |
| 18:36.24 | jnwhiteh | wow so all furious gladiator's items require 2350 rating |
| 18:36.31 | *** join/#wowuidev notcide (n=EAndre@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 18:36.34 | Esamynn | jeez |
| 18:36.41 | Esamynn | is that as hard to get as it used to be? |
| 18:36.44 | jnwhiteh | ah no, some get cheaper |
| 18:36.47 | notcide | DAMN YOU IRC LAG |
| 18:36.50 | notcide | jnwhiteh: the underbelly in dalaran |
| 18:36.55 | Dagmar | Yes, the PvP people have been carping about people getting epics easily, well, now they have to work for it. |
| 18:37.00 | Esamynn | ~lart notcide |
| 18:37.00 | purl | beats notcide over the head with a microkernel |
| 18:37.00 | sacarasc | jnwhiteh: I believe some require as low as 1800! |
| 18:37.05 | Ackis | new spore expansion |
| 18:37.07 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 18:37.07 | purl | slaps Ackis around with a large trout |
| 18:37.10 | durcyn | hah |
| 18:37.11 | notcide | HAHAHA |
| 18:37.12 | jnwhiteh | ah i can buy deadly at 1300 |
| 18:37.13 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 18:37.14 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:37.15 | durcyn | karma's a bitch, Ackis |
| 18:37.16 | Dagmar | New spore expansion? |
| 18:37.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 18:37.30 | sacarasc | Get deadly from emblems, imo. |
| 18:37.41 | Ackis | Dagmar: yes, galactic something or other |
| 18:37.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... does this one make spore not boring? |
| 18:37.59 | Cide | it has another level, further out |
| 18:38.00 | jnwhiteh | sacarasc: but then i can't buy anything at all with my honor :P |
| 18:38.03 | jnwhiteh | erre ap |
| 18:38.06 | Cruciformer | spore was cute. great for kids. |
| 18:38.08 | Cide | when you get to that level, you actually get a free account in SWG |
| 18:38.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: so, no then? |
| 18:38.14 | Cide | and the game turns into SWG |
| 18:38.40 | Ackis | I'm upset with it... I can't buy spore expansion on steam as I have the main version not on steam :( |
| 18:38.49 | Cide | they call it the galaxy phase |
| 18:38.53 | Cide | galaxies* |
| 18:38.55 | Dagmar | Ackis: I might go check it out if I can figure out how to reinstall the copy I virtually bought through the EA "Hah we've got your money now!" site |
| 18:39.02 | Lunessa | Spore - isn't that "Game of the Penis Planets"? |
| 18:39.19 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Something like that yeah |
| 18:39.23 | Ackis | Dagmar: there's an ea downloader |
| 18:39.32 | Dagmar | Ackis: Yeah good luck with that |
| 18:39.42 | Cide | Adys: got the source public? |
| 18:39.47 | Dagmar | When I got Spore their deal was NOT like other online content distributors |
| 18:40.11 | Dagmar | EA's deal was "Pay us an extra six dollars and if you need to download your file again within the next year we'll let you" |
| 18:40.36 | Dagmar | Being that I wasn't even getting a price break for not being shipped a box, I wasn't impressed. |
| 18:41.18 | jnwhiteh | i'm off to the other room, bbl |
| 18:41.22 | Cide | I hear the eu commission is making microsoft use that payment model; $6 per windows file |
| 18:41.46 | Adys | Cide: for? Sigrie? |
| 18:42.11 | Cide | Adys: the db site! |
| 18:42.39 | Adys | some of it maybe yeha |
| 18:42.42 | Adys | will see |
| 18:43.00 | Adys | the parser's public tho, Ill publish the new version when Im done recoding it in c++ |
| 18:43.15 | Cide | screw the parser |
| 18:43.37 | Adys | its the only thing decently coded |
| 18:43.51 | Cide | btw Adys |
| 18:43.57 | Cide | http://www.xenocode.com/browsers/ |
| 18:44.00 | Adys | the db itself isnt anywhere near optimized/well maintained and its a single django module |
| 18:44.03 | Cide | not sure what version of chrome it's running though |
| 18:44.15 | drfuzzykins | I like when I go to very old websites that link to documentation for something, and it says "HTML All one page (1 MB not recommended!)" Oh god, not 1 MB! |
| 18:44.47 | *** join/#wowuidev a_nil_value (n=Dezzimal@207-118-166-218.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 18:45.08 | Dagmar | drfuzzykins: heheh |
| 18:45.17 | Dagmar | People on mobile phones need to be warned! |
| 18:45.26 | Esamynn | indeed |
| 18:45.32 | Dagmar | A page that large could cause a Palm T|X to asplode and put out an eye |
| 18:46.00 | Dagmar | ...almost as dangerous as trying to view a website with too many vowels in it with Blazer. |
| 18:46.01 | Cide | to load it, it would have to push the OS off the hd |
| 18:46.42 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/och-a-communal-kilt/2132 |
| 18:46.46 | Cide | Adys: I'd be much better at breaking it with the source! |
| 18:47.26 | Adys | really if I ever have the choice, it'll take me to improve the code a LOT before releasing it |
| 18:47.39 | Adys | there are way many hacks and what not in there |
| 18:48.48 | Adys | Cide: you know those ObjectDoesNotExist exceptions? |
| 18:48.54 | Cide | yes |
| 18:49.15 | Adys | i removed them all, django returns None if I query an invalid db object |
| 18:49.19 | Adys | thats one example |
| 18:49.22 | Cide | WHY? |
| 18:49.41 | Adys | because wow data is sparse, no solid |
| 18:49.54 | Cide | so what? |
| 18:49.55 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/35422/enchant-bracer-major-defense/ |
| 18:50.08 | mikma | use, non. |
| 18:50.09 | Adys | I need to fix that, ish |
| 18:50.10 | Cide | you're querying for a use effect? |
| 18:50.22 | Adys | yes, there is an use effect |
| 18:50.24 | Adys | the spell doesnt exist |
| 18:50.42 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/1254/lesser-firestone-deprecated/ |
| 18:50.43 | Adys | similar |
| 18:50.51 | Kraps | Adys: cant go there now, how much def is that? |
| 18:50.53 | Cide | I would think you would take the parser, parse it into python, and then make abstractions before putting it into the db |
| 18:51.13 | Adys | i tried |
| 18:51.28 | Adys | not only its worse to manage, its also very costly in time |
| 18:51.40 | Cide | so you could just do Item.objects.select_related('use_effect').get(...) |
| 18:51.41 | Adys | it makes a full push go from 6 min to ~ 30 min |
| 18:51.44 | Cide | and then item.use_effect |
| 18:51.52 | Cide | if None, there you go |
| 18:52.01 | Cide | who cares about a full push |
| 18:52.09 | Cide | the db load will be much higher with your way |
| 18:52.12 | Adys | I care about a full push, this is an internal db too remember :P |
| 18:52.14 | Cide | 30 minutes is nothing |
| 18:52.28 | Adys | it isnt when a ptr has just been released |
| 18:52.28 | Adys | :P |
| 18:52.35 | Cide | yes it is |
| 18:52.40 | Cide | because you'd only do it once |
| 18:52.45 | Adys | I dont do it once |
| 18:52.49 | Cide | and then you can do a migration script for each ptr patch |
| 18:53.00 | Adys | I pushed a new cache every 10 min or something at some point |
| 18:53.04 | Adys | yesterday |
| 18:53.04 | Cide | why? |
| 18:53.19 | Adys | what why? so they're up and linkable on the frontpage thats why :P |
| 18:53.40 | Cide | pushing a cache and adding all the databases from a ptr should be (are) very different things |
| 18:53.59 | Cide | if it takes you 30 minutes of execution you're slow :P |
| 18:54.08 | Cide | just write a script! |
| 18:54.13 | Adys | I got a script |
| 18:54.19 | Cide | that takes 30 minutes? |
| 18:54.27 | Cide | if you do it properly |
| 18:54.29 | Adys | no, that takes 5-6 min |
| 18:54.56 | Cide | I mean |
| 18:55.01 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/13818/heroic-algalon/ |
| 18:55.02 | Cide | just make all fkeys nullable |
| 18:55.09 | Adys | they are |
| 18:55.11 | Cide | add in all objects without fkeys |
| 18:55.16 | Cide | and then add the relations |
| 18:55.17 | Adys | yeah yeah |
| 18:55.21 | Adys | i already heard all that |
| 18:55.26 | Cide | it won't take 30 min :P |
| 18:55.27 | Adys | it prevents me from having the ID available* |
| 18:55.37 | Cide | hm? |
| 18:55.47 | Cide | you mean you need a join to get the id in django? |
| 18:55.54 | Adys | if the fkey is not I cannot access the id |
| 18:56.00 | Adys | s/not/none/ |
| 18:56.14 | Cide | you can use instance.<field>_id |
| 18:56.27 | Adys | no, I cant -- without modifying django |
| 18:56.39 | Adys | he'll go angry and refuse to save |
| 18:56.49 | Adys | throw me another exception |
| 18:56.50 | Cide | I don't understand your issue really |
| 18:57.02 | Adys | basically |
| 18:57.17 | Adys | instead of throwing exceptions, django throws None |
| 18:57.38 | Adys | and some fields can have their constraint removed |
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| 18:58.02 | Cide | why do you need the constraint removed anyway? |
| 18:58.03 | Cide | er |
| 18:58.05 | Adys | Quest reqs. don't add a constraint since I *know* they're gonna break |
| 18:58.09 | Cide | why do you need it to throw None? |
| 18:58.11 | Adys | (for example) |
| 18:58.21 | Cide | could just try: ... except ...: item = None |
| 18:58.30 | Adys | because I can't catch the exception in a template (in between other things) |
| 18:58.44 | Cide | you shouldn't do queries in a template |
| 18:58.48 | Adys | I dont |
| 18:58.53 | Cide | then what's the issue? |
| 18:59.06 | Adys | template isn't querying anything |
| 18:59.09 | Adys | likes |
| 18:59.10 | Adys | sec |
| 18:59.13 | Cide | then you can catch it in python :P |
| 18:59.19 | Adys | hold on |
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| 18:59.28 | tem|work | **sigh** |
| 18:59.39 | tem|work | freenode made it so I can't connect through mibbit |
| 18:59.44 | Cide | yep |
| 18:59.48 | tem|work | and the web client they made sucks |
| 18:59.51 | Cide | yep |
| 19:00.13 | tem|work | it doesn't have nick coloring |
| 19:00.18 | Adys | Cide: {% for req in obj.questrequirement_set.all %}<li>{{ req|url }}{{ req.amount|text }}</li>{% endfor %} |
| 19:00.21 | tem|work | or seperation |
| 19:00.36 | tem|work | Adys: that looks like django |
| 19:00.37 | Cide | Adys: will never raise a .DoesNotExist exception |
| 19:00.42 | Adys | yeah |
| 19:00.44 | foxlit | setfenv(TaxiNodeOnButtonEnter, env); : 'setfenv' cannot change environment of given object |
| 19:00.47 | tem|work | or jinja |
| 19:00.47 | Adys | itll raise a TemplateSyntaxError |
| 19:00.52 | Cide | when? |
| 19:00.55 | Adys | raised by a DoesNotExist callback |
| 19:01.05 | Cide | it won't raise DoesNotExist ever |
| 19:01.09 | Adys | hu |
| 19:01.11 | Adys | believe me |
| 19:01.12 | Adys | it does |
| 19:01.12 | Adys | :P |
| 19:01.14 | Cide | no |
| 19:01.17 | Adys | it does |
| 19:01.24 | Cide | a reverse query? no |
| 19:01.38 | Adys | this is the same code I was working on to get the exception out |
| 19:01.42 | Adys | so yeah |
| 19:01.43 | Adys | it does |
| 19:01.51 | Cide | nope |
| 19:01.58 | Adys | .. it bloody does :P |
| 19:02.02 | Cide | when? |
| 19:02.05 | Adys | this has been unchanged for 250 revisions |
| 19:02.15 | Cide | if there are no related objects you just get an empty queryset |
| 19:02.22 | nicoli_s | man, just looking at that makes me so glad i dont have to do django/python anymore, the syntax just isnt for me |
| 19:02.39 | Adys | im not fond of the template syntax |
| 19:02.44 | Adys | but it can do very sexy stuff |
| 19:03.01 | nicoli_s | yah, i've seen some cool stuff with the django templates |
| 19:03.22 | Cide | Adys: is it a reverse fkey or a m2m? |
| 19:03.32 | Adys | {% ua "AppleWebKit" match %}Your browser is awesome{% endua %} |
| 19:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | tem|work: mibbit.com/java should fire up a java applet that lets you connect through mibbit |
| 19:03.38 | Adys | Adys: m2m |
| 19:03.39 | Adys | er |
| 19:03.40 | Adys | Cide |
| 19:04.03 | Cide | is it nullable? |
| 19:04.03 | tem|work | OH GOD THE HORROR |
| 19:04.08 | Adys | yes. |
| 19:04.11 | tem|work | it makes a sound when I get pinged |
| 19:04.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:04.19 | Cide | then you just get an empty queryset :P |
| 19:04.19 | tem|work | a sound like a thousand needles in my heart |
| 19:04.21 | Adys | tem: TRADE WITH ME |
| 19:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | tem|work: ping |
| 19:04.26 | Adys | I lost my system bell |
| 19:04.27 | ScytheBlade1 | tem|work: ping |
| 19:04.28 | tem|work | ASDFKLAJSDLFKAJSDFLKASJDFS |
| 19:04.33 | tem|work | OW OPW OW OWOWOWOW |
| 19:04.43 | tem|work | I am in physical pain |
| 19:04.43 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- jerk |
| 19:04.45 | Cide | spam |
| 19:04.45 | ScytheBlade1 | tem|work: ping |
| 19:04.46 | Cide | >>> c.abilities |
| 19:04.46 | Cide | <django.db.models.fields.related.ManyRelatedManager object at 0x9f26d8c> |
| 19:04.46 | Cide | >>> c.abilities.all() |
| 19:04.47 | Cide | [] |
| 19:04.50 | nevcairiel | tem|work: dont cry |
| 19:04.51 | Cide | ^ Adys |
| 19:05.07 | haste | throws a testicle at tem|work. |
| 19:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | in any case, you should try mibbit.com/java |
| 19:05.28 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/earcigarette/ |
| 19:06.05 | Adys | Cide: its not that simple |
| 19:06.10 | Adys | >>> Quest.objects.get(id=13818).questrequirement_set.all() |
| 19:06.10 | Adys | [<QuestRequirement: Sigils of the Watchers>] |
| 19:06.17 | Adys | er |
| 19:06.21 | Cide | >>> a.character_set |
| 19:06.22 | Cide | <django.db.models.fields.related.ManyRelatedManager object at 0x9f2622c> |
| 19:06.22 | Cide | >>> a.character_set.all() |
| 19:06.22 | Cide | [] |
| 19:06.22 | Adys | wtf wrong paste |
| 19:06.26 | Cide | ^ the reverse of the m2m |
| 19:06.30 | tem|work | cry |
| 19:06.37 | nicoli_s | misleading link lunessa, thought that was gonna be about a cigarette you can smoke through your ear |
| 19:06.38 | tem|work | the java applet won't work |
| 19:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 19:06.47 | tem|work | it's getting blocked by windows firewall |
| 19:06.51 | tem|work | and I have no power to stop that |
| 19:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to admit I'm tempted to ping you again |
| 19:07.01 | Adys | hold on |
| 19:07.06 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: I wouldn't have linked the otherwise dry article if the link hadn't be interesting. |
| 19:07.11 | Adys | tem|work: slap ScytheBlade1 for pinging you so much |
| 19:07.15 | tem|work | please wait until I find the way to turn off that awful sound |
| 19:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 19:07.22 | tem|work | D |
| 19:07.23 | tem|work | I |
| 19:07.24 | tem|work | E |
| 19:07.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ~adys++ |
| 19:07.48 | tem|work | hmm |
| 19:07.50 | Cide | ~tem|work++ |
| 19:07.56 | tem|work | I want a beep when I'm pinged |
| 19:08.02 | tem|work | but this one litterally hurts me |
| 19:08.06 | nicoli_s | Lunessa: just the title reminded me of how my dad would fix my earaches by lighting ciggarettes(or joints, whatever he had around) and putting them in my ear, and lighting them, so the heat and smoke somehow fixed shit |
| 19:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. cheap (expensive) ear candles? |
| 19:08.51 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: And I thought my folks were fucking strange. |
| 19:09.07 | nicoli_s | well my dad is a farm raised intellectual redneck |
| 19:09.13 | nicoli_s | however that works |
| 19:09.14 | Adys | ok |
| 19:09.14 | Adys | Cide |
| 19:09.17 | nicoli_s | and hes a hippy too |
| 19:09.21 | Cide | yes |
| 19:09.21 | Adys | >>> Quest.objects.get(id=13818).itemrewards_static() |
| 19:09.21 | Adys | [<QuestRewardItem: Unknown item #45878>, <QuestRewardItem: Heroic Celestial Planetarium Key>] |
| 19:09.30 | Adys | this |
| 19:09.36 | Adys | doesnt return that 1st item |
| 19:09.41 | Adys | without the django mods |
| 19:09.50 | Cide | why not? |
| 19:09.55 | Adys | because it doesnt exist |
| 19:09.56 | Adys | its none |
| 19:10.09 | Cide | what? |
| 19:10.24 | Adys | that unknown item |
| 19:10.28 | Cide | the item may not exist |
| 19:10.29 | Adys | is an empty relation |
| 19:10.33 | Cide | but the quest reward obviously does? |
| 19:10.35 | Adys | only the id is there |
| 19:10.50 | Cide | or is QuestRewardItem the through model? |
| 19:10.58 | Adys | its the through |
| 19:11.00 | Cide | ah |
| 19:12.01 | Cide | well ya, I can see that |
| 19:12.01 | Cide | simple solution though |
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| 19:12.01 | Cide | create a dummy Item, "Unknown item" |
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| 19:12.01 | Cide | give questrewarditem an extra field with the real id |
| 19:12.01 | Cide | point it to unknown item if it's unknown |
| 19:12.02 | Adys | and lose the id |
| 19:12.40 | Adys | i could also duplicate every fkey to have both a real id and an active id, but i dont see how thats more performant than just removing the constraint |
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| 19:13.36 | Adys | but as i said |
| 19:13.53 | Adys | theres refactoring to do, some will go live in 2.0 but not earlier |
| 19:14.00 | Adys | bit sick of python, need some c++ to cope atm |
| 19:15.41 | Cide | Adys: you don't lose the id with an extra field on the through model |
| 19:15.53 | Adys | [22:12:39] <Adys> i could also duplicate every fkey to have both a real id and an active id, but i dont see how thats more performant than just removing the constraint |
| 19:16.19 | Cide | it's more performant since you'd only ever use the extra id field for unknown items, and instead let the database do real joins :P |
| 19:16.36 | Cide | and as a bonus you can easily enumerate all quests with rewards that aren't in the db |
| 19:16.49 | Cide | anyway, I'm out |
| 19:16.50 | Cide | later |
| 19:16.53 | Adys | laters |
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| 20:11.01 | Adys | interesting |
| 20:11.02 | Adys | def changed_10026(self, base): |
| 20:11.02 | Adys | base.delete_fields("normalreqs", "heroicreqs", "epicreqs", "normalreset", "heroicreset", "epicreset") |
| 20:11.10 | Adys | (Map) |
| 20:14.06 | Dagmar | (Compass) |
| 20:14.52 | alestane | (Key) |
| 20:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | (navigator) |
| 20:17.32 | durcyn | (Preemptive Penis, nuts to you Ackis) |
| 20:20.43 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/9520920520-tip-soul-shards.html |
| 20:21.18 | alestane | ...burn... |
| 20:21.37 | alestane | It's a fucking CLASS MECHANIC. |
| 20:22.14 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:22.25 | alestane | Mages have to stand still to cast and worry about melee. Shamans have to keep near their totems. Warlocks have to manage their shards and wait for DoTs. |
| 20:22.59 | Esamynn | not to mention getting soul shards is easier than ever before |
| 20:23.16 | Esamynn | you can collect them during boss fights now, without any mob deaths |
| 20:23.17 | nicoli_s | getting sould shards was never that bad, at least when i played a lock so long ago |
| 20:23.36 | nicoli_s | really Esamynn? thats cool |
| 20:23.42 | alestane | The only time I really truly ran into people whining about them was when Sunwell came out. |
| 20:23.43 | Esamynn | you ever raid with one pre-TBC? |
| 20:23.56 | nicoli_s | nope, got up to about level 45 pre tbc |
| 20:24.10 | Adys | Could someone explain me what would be 19 hours for AQ20, ZG and Onyxia's Lair? |
| 20:24.15 | Adys | (it's not the reset) |
| 20:24.32 | Esamynn | huh? |
| 20:24.37 | End | Soul shards weren't so bad in TBC if you didn't have to summon a lot of people -AND- you werent on the last boss of an instance |
| 20:24.39 | Kirov | lol. I remember all of our locks farming for an hour before MC |
| 20:24.57 | Esamynn | End: and you don't even have that problem anymore |
| 20:25.02 | End | Illidan was a bad one, since you could wipe long enough without having trash |
| 20:25.09 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't want to hear anything about MC days... I played a fucking paladin |
| 20:25.12 | End | On all other bosses, trash would respawn before you'd run out |
| 20:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i just like wryxian's response. :) |
| 20:25.21 | VonhintenHOME` | Buffing 40 people every 4 minutes |
| 20:25.26 | End | And yeah, the summoning portal is win |
| 20:25.34 | Esamynn | VonhintenHOME`: yes, I feel for you |
| 20:25.40 | End | other than it bugging out when two people try to summon of course |
| 20:25.41 | End | :-/ |
| 20:25.48 | Kirov | VonhintenHOME` - buff buff buff drink drink buff buff buff |
| 20:25.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Does anyone actually have the osx enUS ptr patch? >.> |
| 20:25.54 | Esamynn | VonhintenHOME`: also, 1-2 minute self buffs, WTF |
| 20:25.58 | alestane | That's what the Unique (32) and the "chance to create shard on tick" add up to...the solution to your shard problem is to cast Drain Soul once in a while, not to bring three bags' full of shards. |
| 20:26.12 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: Soon (TM) |
| 20:26.21 | durcyn | because i'm going to waste dps time farming shards on algalon, alestane |
| 20:26.22 | End | well |
| 20:26.29 | durcyn | it's a stupid outmoded garbage mechanic that needs to be gotten rid of |
| 20:26.37 | End | if they added a MAX DPS FROM BEGINNING TO END type fight, they could become a problem |
| 20:26.38 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, yeah. this crap should have been ready at the same time. |
| 20:26.44 | End | but we don't really have any brutalluses |
| 20:26.57 | durcyn | End: Algalon. 6 minute berserk timer. |
| 20:27.02 | End | well |
| 20:27.04 | End | there you go |
| 20:27.09 | End | actually |
| 20:27.10 | Esamynn | warlock dps is balanced around limited soul shards, is it not? |
| 20:27.10 | End | no you don't |
| 20:27.14 | End | he's on an hour timer |
| 20:27.18 | End | Esamynn: not at all |
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| 20:27.26 | Esamynn | bullshit |
| 20:27.33 | End | well |
| 20:27.36 | End | you can argue that in pvp |
| 20:27.47 | End | but in pve you don't EVER use a soul shard unless you were dumn and got your pet killed |
| 20:27.51 | End | dumb* |
| 20:27.57 | Esamynn | why? |
| 20:28.05 | End | what would you use it on? |
| 20:28.13 | Esamynn | aren't there dmg spells that use them? |
| 20:28.17 | End | yes |
| 20:28.19 | Esamynn | or are those spells crap? |
| 20:28.21 | alestane | Shadowburn (in some cases), Soul Fire. |
| 20:28.29 | End | soul fire isn't sustainable by ANY means |
| 20:28.33 | alestane | Oh, and Soulshatter. |
| 20:28.36 | kneeki | Heathstones |
| 20:28.38 | End | due to having to get shards back |
| 20:28.42 | End | oh, I forgot about soul shatter |
| 20:28.44 | kneeki | Soulshatter, and soulstone |
| 20:28.45 | durcyn | except soul fire's only use is with decimation |
| 20:28.51 | durcyn | so moot point there |
| 20:28.53 | Kirov | summon portal |
| 20:28.56 | End | you don't summon health stones or soulstones in combat though |
| 20:29.01 | alestane | durcyn: Not true, at least not when I did the math, |
| 20:29.03 | End | I'm talking about combat abilities :P |
| 20:29.19 | alestane | If you're destro, it does decent damage for the casting time. |
| 20:29.20 | End | (ok, I summon health stones in combat on mimi sometimes between phases) |
| 20:29.22 | Kraps | When is a car not a car? When it turns into a parking lot. |
| 20:29.32 | Esamynn | just because it isn't sustainable, doesn't mean you should never use it... |
| 20:29.40 | Lunessa | Any of your summons, soulshatter, soulfire, no biggie - the worst part is the loss of a bag, but if I say that all the hunters will QQ |
| 20:30.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hunters dont really get to QQ anymore |
| 20:30.18 | alestane | Lunessa: Except that hunters don't have to blow a bag on ammo anymore. |
| 20:30.19 | durcyn | alestane: it's still worse DPCT than a normal immo/conflag/cb/inc rotation |
| 20:30.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ammo stacks to 1k, and the haste is rolled into auto-shot now |
| 20:30.34 | durcyn | alestane: i could cast corruption as destruction, but it's not worth the gcd |
| 20:30.36 | Lunessa | Only if they want one large bag. |
| 20:30.38 | Esamynn | 1k or 2k? |
| 20:30.43 | Kirov | Now if only Drain Soul required a soul shard... |
| 20:30.53 | NightHawkTheSane | 1k im pretty sure |
| 20:31.08 | Esamynn | I haven't played my hunter since the change |
| 20:31.19 | Esamynn | but they are going towards non-consumable ammo anyways |
| 20:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | eventually |
| 20:31.31 | alestane | It's also pretty darn good damage for the mana, IIRC. |
| 20:31.36 | Esamynn | probably won't even take a bag slot either |
| 20:31.40 | End | I can justify using shards for utility in combat more than actual damage |
| 20:31.49 | End | unless I can rely on trash... |
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| 20:31.56 | End | I'll have to use a drain soul to get that shard back |
| 20:32.02 | Lunessa | The shard mechanism is still klunky, but it is by no means onerous. |
| 20:32.15 | Esamynn | not anymore, anyways |
| 20:32.36 | alestane | Lunessa: I think it annoys people mostly because they have to give up a little DPS to cast Drain Soul. |
| 20:32.40 | Esamynn | I've never seriously played a lock, but I remember helping lock friend farm shards |
| 20:33.13 | End | Anyhow |
| 20:33.34 | End | I've dabbled with destruction a little bit recently, but I still mostly play as affliction, and shards aren't a problem for an affliction warlock :P |
| 20:33.36 | Arrowmaster | i used to farm shards in the inn in duskwood |
| 20:33.42 | Lunessa | Heh, I dusted off my 'lock and did a Naxx-25 - even having forgotten to train my level 80 spells, I was #4 overall DPS at then end and it was easy mode compared to say my shaman. |
| 20:33.46 | Arrowmaster | as a horde warlock, it was lolz |
| 20:34.05 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: pug? |
| 20:34.17 | kneeki | Lunessa: Since 3.1, warlocks have become extreamly easy to play. But really fun ;) |
| 20:34.21 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Yeah pug/alt run. And I was in blues/green |
| 20:34.46 | Arrowmaster | i did perty bad in my first naxx-25 run, which was a guild run 1 hour after i hit 80 |
| 20:34.50 | Lunessa | I have always had love in my heart for the warlock. This character was my launch day toon |
| 20:34.51 | Arrowmaster | i was in full T6 |
| 20:35.30 | Arrowmaster | i havent played seriously in 3.1 so i dont know a thing about the talent changes |
| 20:35.55 | Esamynn | Arrowmaster: which is about the equivalent of fully geared pre-heroic LK dungeon blues |
| 20:36.00 | Lunessa | I have a Demonology/Soulfire Destruction build and it's pretty easy to crank out decent raid DPS. |
| 20:36.14 | Arrowmaster | Esamynn: T6 is better than that |
| 20:36.15 | End | Emberstorm you mean? |
| 20:36.23 | Lunessa | Decimation |
| 20:36.50 | End | Well of course you have decimation |
| 20:36.59 | Esamynn | Arrowmaster: by that, I mean ilevel 190-200 blues, which isn't possible, I don't think |
| 20:37.00 | alestane | Still 21/45/5. Not the highest DPS out there, but inexhaustible. |
| 20:37.07 | Esamynn | not a full set, anyways |
| 20:37.07 | durcyn | felguard/emberstorm builds aren't exactly difficult once ou figure out decimation |
| 20:37.11 | Arrowmaster | about all i know about 3.1 talents is that i can solo AQ40 trash with 21/50/0 |
| 20:37.11 | Lunessa | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&cn=Woefire&gn=Grounding+Totem |
| 20:37.17 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Burning+Legion&cn=Tokrim&gn=Alternative+Universe |
| 20:37.35 | Aelobin | is it possible to change the level in an heirloom link? |
| 20:37.37 | End | oh |
| 20:37.40 | End | a meta build |
| 20:37.45 | Lunessa | And yes, I know I shouldn't have mana feed any more, but it makes soloing/grinding easy. |
| 20:37.45 | End | you should have just said meta :P |
| 20:37.55 | Esamynn | Arrowmaster: I was solo'ing AQ40 trash a while back, but I couldn't take down Skerram because he was bugged :( |
| 20:37.55 | End | saying demo/destro is misleading :P |
| 20:38.14 | Arrowmaster | Esamynn: i didnt try him |
| 20:38.18 | nicoli_s | i wonder if my chars are still on the armory |
| 20:38.23 | End | both hybrid and non-hybrid demo have decimation |
| 20:38.33 | Arrowmaster | and i couldnt solo all the trash, if i got something like a 4pack with a rejuv ability i had to zone out |
| 20:38.42 | zenzelezz | interesting... ZeniMax buys id Software... |
| 20:38.43 | Esamynn | he was fine up until the first split, then he wouldn't stop casting his Shock that he casts when no one is in melee range |
| 20:38.44 | End | anyhow |
| 20:38.45 | nicoli_s | nope :( |
| 20:38.50 | Lunessa | I'm actually thinking of dropping Metamorphosis because it's not intuitive to use. |
| 20:38.51 | End | I think meta is going to become more and more important |
| 20:39.03 | End | well, where would you put that last point? |
| 20:39.20 | End | and by meta, I mean the demonic tactics part of the build |
| 20:39.23 | End | er |
| 20:39.27 | End | and by meta, I mean the demonic pact part of the build |
| 20:39.29 | End | (DOH) |
| 20:40.04 | Lunessa | End, I'd probably by the last point in Ruin. |
| 20:40.45 | Arrowmaster | is affliction any good for raiding now? |
| 20:40.51 | End | it's not bad |
| 20:40.55 | End | destro scales better though |
| 20:41.12 | End | I still usually play as affliction because I'm way better at it, because of muscle memory |
| 20:41.30 | Lunessa | I've tried going fully destruction, and I just didn't like it. I'm a fucking warlock, give me DEMONS. |
| 20:41.31 | durcyn | 0/13/58 tops it, once you work out the rotation |
| 20:41.44 | kneeki | durcyn: There is not a rotation for destro |
| 20:41.45 | durcyn | it's a bit awkward with conflagrate and backdraft right now |
| 20:41.48 | durcyn | yes, there is |
| 20:41.52 | Yewbacca | Is there a way to put tiny icons in a FontString instance, through some text similar to the pipe-commands |xxxx ? |
| 20:42.16 | Arrowmaster | Yewbacca: search wowwiki for ui escape sequence |
| 20:42.17 | kneeki | durcyn: Only in the very beginning of the fight, after that, you spam incinerate, keep immolate up, use CoD, and use CB and Conflag when it's up |
| 20:42.24 | Yewbacca | Thanks Arrowmaster |
| 20:42.46 | Esamynn | there is a difference between a rotation and a priority ruleset |
| 20:42.53 | End | I'm sure that if you go long enough, you'll repeat, but that's barring that you'll have to move, or something like that |
| 20:42.54 | Arrowmaster | i used to raid as FG/Emberstorm just because i was lazy and still doing loremaster quests |
| 20:43.07 | kneeki | Esamynn: /nod |
| 20:43.20 | Arrowmaster | but a few fights in naxx were just bad for pets so i did bad |
| 20:43.27 | kneeki | My favorite two specs are Meta and Deep destro, myself |
| 20:43.33 | kneeki | I LOVE being a huge demon thing |
| 20:43.40 | End | I'm not a fan, personally |
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| 20:43.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i love watching huge demon things die to trash |
| 20:43.53 | End | Arrowmaster: also, you'd be happy to know, sapph's dot has counted as AoE for a while now |
| 20:43.58 | kneeki | NightHawkTheSane: haha |
| 20:44.03 | End | was a fucking terrible fight for pets |
| 20:44.06 | Arrowmaster | End: finally |
| 20:44.18 | Arrowmaster | what about heigan? |
| 20:44.18 | Lunessa | The raid leader for one of the further progressed guilds told me I'd do better as Affliction, despite his own spec being demonology. I laughed in his face. |
| 20:44.26 | End | heigen still sucks I think |
| 20:44.32 | End | I don't run Naxx much anymore though |
| 20:44.41 | Arrowmaster | loth? thad? |
| 20:44.51 | End | never had trouble with thadd |
| 20:44.53 | Arrowmaster | those sucked because pets didnt get the damage boosts |
| 20:44.54 | End | other than jumping |
| 20:44.56 | End | oh |
| 20:44.59 | End | well, there's that |
| 20:45.10 | End | but I'm not any sort of demo, so my pet damage is relatively low |
| 20:45.21 | End | ditto loth |
| 20:45.51 | End | personally, I think affliction needs better pet synergy to get it more even with destro |
| 20:46.09 | Arrowmaster | i was still like 51/20 or so on my very first naxx because i hit 80 1 hour before and got kicked at thad because my damage was too low |
| 20:46.23 | Arrowmaster | and we couldnt kill him |
| 20:46.46 | End | which? |
| 20:46.50 | Arrowmaster | thadd |
| 20:46.56 | Arrowmaster | and thats 0/51/20 |
| 20:46.58 | End | ah |
| 20:47.07 | End | yeah, pets could use help there |
| 20:47.13 | Arrowmaster | i think i got invited right back after that for saph |
| 20:47.41 | Arrowmaster | sarth was a bitch too as demo |
| 20:47.58 | Grum | petmanagement in general is a bitch :) |
| 20:48.09 | End | it's not too bad, other than the constant recalling and sending in your pet |
| 20:48.38 | Arrowmaster | not sure but i dont think shit counted as AoE on sarth either |
| 20:48.56 | End | some probably |
| 20:49.12 | End | not flame walls though? I dunno, that kills anything on 3drakes anyway |
| 20:49.15 | Arrowmaster | but i still got 3d done as demo on like jan 13th or so |
| 20:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont think flame walls count as aoe.. |
| 20:49.46 | Fisker | http://www.wow.com/2009/06/23/patch-3-2-misloot-tickets-to-be-a-thing-of-the-past/ <-yay |
| 20:49.58 | End | well |
| 20:50.03 | End | the first part probably does |
| 20:50.08 | End | but then they apply a dot |
| 20:50.16 | End | I don't think the dot counts |
| 20:50.45 | Arrowmaster | well the dot seemed to always get applied |
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| 20:51.47 | End | yeah, and the dot is what kills your pet |
| 20:51.50 | End | I think |
| 20:51.59 | End | I seem to recall my pet living through the wall itself |
| 20:52.06 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 20:52.25 | Arrowmaster | the dot should only be applied if you take damage from the wall and the wall be counted as aoe imho |
| 20:52.42 | End | well |
| 20:52.48 | End | pets still take damage from AoE |
| 20:52.53 | End | so that wouldn't help them any |
| 20:53.14 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was a change to not take damage, not a damage reduction? |
| 20:53.21 | End | it's damage reduction |
| 20:53.26 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 20:53.30 | End | it's like 80%? damage reduction? |
| 20:53.32 | End | or is it 85? |
| 20:53.57 | End | I think warlocks actually get better reduction than hunters |
| 20:53.59 | End | it's 80% |
| 20:54.13 | End | hunter pets only get 75% though |
| 20:56.36 | Dagmar | Fisker: Oh awesome. Now we can have bad apples trying blackmail and extortion to get loot from other people |
| 20:58.54 | alestane | But ninjas won't be able to claim that they just "made a mistake." |
| 20:59.07 | End | indeed |
| 20:59.28 | End | also, more importantly for Blizzard, GMs won't get some many tickets for mislooted items. |
| 20:59.39 | End | s/some/so/ |
| 20:59.50 | KarlKFI | so now it's BoE and BoSAP |
| 21:00.03 | End | BoSAP =? |
| 21:00.21 | KarlKFI | Bind of Shortly After Pickup |
| 21:00.24 | KarlKFI | on* |
| 21:00.25 | End | ah |
| 21:00.36 | End | I wonder if items actually read Soulbound |
| 21:00.42 | KarlKFI | or BoRG |
| 21:00.52 | End | resistance is futile? |
| 21:00.52 | KarlKFI | Bind on Raid Group |
| 21:01.18 | End | anyhow, I think it's overall a good change |
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| 21:01.42 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if that time will expire when you equip the item |
| 21:01.50 | KarlKFI | probably |
| 21:02.01 | Arrowmaster | i think it will expire when you socket it |
| 21:02.02 | Dagmar | Ninjas won't claim they made a mistake. Ninjas will just logout. |
| 21:02.08 | Dagmar | ...because THEY'RE NINJAS. |
| 21:02.20 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a ninja |
| 21:02.40 | End | well |
| 21:02.51 | End | some people who ninja claim mistake to try to disguise their ninjaery |
| 21:02.53 | KarlKFI | fun potential bug: enchant it with a self only enchant and then trade it to a group member |
| 21:02.57 | End | they won't be able to do thay anymore |
| 21:03.06 | End | Enchanting will probably do it too |
| 21:03.14 | Arrowmaster | when did they change "Not In My House" to be kill 2 flag carriers before they leave the flag room in wsg? |
| 21:03.18 | alestane | Dagmar: I guess the point I was trying to make is that their skullduggery will be more blatantly exposed as what it is. If that was not an actual practice, it won't make a difference. |
| 21:03.30 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: a looong time ago |
| 21:03.42 | Arrowmaster | i got upto 9 before when it was 10 |
| 21:03.51 | Arrowmaster | bastard guildmate didnt heal me and i missed the 10th one |
| 21:12.12 | Yewbacca | Hmm, it appears not, but is there a way to make FontStrings clickable (when you embed links like |Hspell:4343|h), or does that have to be solved some other way? |
| 21:13.31 | End | I think only scrolling message frames can get that event |
| 21:13.39 | End | in regards to text |
| 21:13.43 | End | links |
| 21:14.07 | End | not to mention, FontStrings don't have handlers at all |
| 21:14.33 | Yewbacca | Ahh so that's why I've seen scrolling message frames do that |
| 21:14.46 | Yewbacca | Thanks |
| 21:14.50 | End | yeah, they have...uh...OnHyperlinkClick I think? |
| 21:14.53 | End | or something like that |
| 21:16.34 | Yewbacca | Gotcha |
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| 21:19.42 | Pytlask | (SimpleHTML frames also have the OnHyperlinkClick) |
| 21:19.57 | End | So they do |
| 21:20.11 | End | I'm not sure if those are the same sort of links though? |
| 21:20.22 | End | I've never used SimpleHTML /shrug |
| 21:21.01 | Pytlask | SimpleHTML is what, for example, LightHeaded uses |
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| 21:30.11 | Aelobin | would running my OS and WoW on separate harddrives increase my FPS a little? |
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| 21:30.46 | durcyn | no, disk access is only relevant for loading times |
| 21:30.56 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/ does this 404 for anyone else? |
| 21:31.11 | Kirov | AbsolutRayne - yes |
| 21:31.16 | AbsolutRayne | Alright |
| 21:31.17 | AbsolutRayne | Thanks |
| 21:31.24 | Aelobin | not for me :P |
| 21:32.41 | nicoli_s | not for me either |
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| 21:32.54 | AbsolutRayne | Still 404s on Login |
| 21:33.13 | Aelobin | which i didnt do xD |
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| 21:37.28 | Ackis | why is www.cobra.com coming up as a blocked web-site? it's a gps site... anyone have ideas? |
| 21:38.12 | Ackis | 15 Minutes of Fame! |
| 21:38.17 | Ackis | zomg! |
| 21:38.27 | Dagmar | Because they're the enemies of G.I.Joe and everything American. |
| 21:38.28 | End | I'll fame you |
| 21:38.59 | Lunessa | http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://www.cobra.com/ |
| 21:39.38 | Dagmar | I'm guessing they got hacke |
| 21:39.39 | Dagmar | d |
| 21:39.48 | End | ^ |
| 21:39.54 | Lunessa | Yeah, they were an infection vector |
| 21:40.14 | Ackis | this girl I knew was an infection vector, but I still talked to her |
| 21:40.37 | zenzelezz | you should've used protection then |
| 21:40.53 | End | no glove no love |
| 21:41.05 | Dagmar | I think the hoaxers have gotten to that afternoon guy on CNN *again* |
| 21:41.10 | tekkub | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/3657562031_5205356dd0_o.png |
| 21:41.16 | tekkub | RAWR! Take that bitches |
| 21:41.25 | Dagmar | They're airing a "statistic" that claims 11% of teens send naked pictures to "strangers". |
| 21:41.38 | nicoli_s | its true |
| 21:41.54 | End | specifically visits tekkub's site without js on. |
| 21:41.56 | Dagmar | So basically, you're telling me one in ten teenagers will send naked pics of themselves to me, just for the asking. |
| 21:41.59 | Ackis | tekkub: that your site? |
| 21:42.04 | Dagmar | Not for a moment do I believe that. |
| 21:42.06 | tekkub | yes Ackis |
| 21:42.15 | Ackis | doesn't trust you! |
| 21:42.17 | tekkub | the js makes up for my laziness |
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| 21:42.28 | End | your code is doing a sort! |
| 21:42.32 | End | that's a good reason to not trust it |
| 21:42.34 | Fisker | i only use tekloot tekkub |
| 21:42.37 | zenzelezz | bubble sort? |
| 21:42.38 | NeoTron | Dagmar: don't get your hopes up |
| 21:42.45 | Fisker | is it ok if i'm halfway skeptical? |
| 21:42.46 | End | I dunno, I was just being silly |
| 21:42.47 | tekkub | sort? oh so you didn't see the keylogger, good |
| 21:43.01 | End | he's just using the js's stock sort |
| 21:43.15 | Dagmar | Addons: It looks like you're using JavaScript for simple image delivery. If you love the planet, why do you waste clockcycles running JScript just to ship a static image to someone? |
| 21:43.51 | tekkub | I don't use js for delivery, just show/hide |
| 21:44.01 | tekkub | and to compile the addon table |
| 21:44.07 | tekkub | which is just links |
| 21:44.32 | Dagmar | NeoTron: This is the same idiot who was "uncovering" the "Teen Pregancy Club" including a story about a girl who got a homeless guy to knock her up, just so she'd fit in |
| 21:44.47 | kneeki | Lucky homeless guy |
| 21:44.59 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:45.02 | nicoli_s | that story was pretty hilarious |
| 21:45.19 | nicoli_s | i know someone from the town it was in too, said most of the teenage girls are sluts anyways |
| 21:45.27 | Dagmar | Yeah, well, it turned out to be a complete bunch of nonsense they might as well have made up themselves, since all their "evidence" came from am eight minute conversation with two teenagers who could barely keep from laughing |
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| 21:45.40 | Dagmar | Yet they ran several hours of coverage on it per day |
| 21:46.22 | Dagmar | I'm looking at this bit about 11% of teens sending naked pics and thinking, first off, there'd be a LOT more websites with these pictures if there were that many of them. |
| 21:46.23 | Fisker | hates |
| 21:46.49 | Dagmar | ...because that would mean 11% of teens... That's actually a rather large number of people |
| 21:47.28 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure 11% of teens *use* their cameraphones to send pictures to anyone |
| 21:48.44 | Arrowmaster | if they did then school would be a lot less productive and i dont see how any guys would ever get homework done or study |
| 21:49.05 | Dagmar | 25~28 million teens, 11% of that would mean a rather massive number of pictures |
| 21:49.49 | Dagmar | Considering the number of times we hear someone getting very upset because their former boyfriend sent said pictures to his friends and was less than discrete about it, I'm just not buying this 11% figure |
| 21:50.55 | Arrowmaster | maybe the % of guys that realize they dont want to be labeled sex offenders for the rest of their life is rather high |
| 21:51.47 | Dagmar | That's probably true, but it would generally also mean that if you searched the average teen's phone there'd be an 11% chance you'd find a naked picture of someone they know |
| 21:53.41 | Dagmar | Grerr... someone at CNN needs to make this bloke do some fact checking |
| 21:54.10 | Dagmar | I wanna hear about the world falling apart, not about how much he finds these made up numbers horrible. |
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| 21:59.33 | KarlKFI | you thin 11% of teens have seen someone else naked AND had a phone at the time AND took a pic with it? |
| 22:00.14 | Dagmar | No, they were saying 11% of teens have sent pictures of THEMSELVES to strangers. |
| 22:00.36 | KarlKFI | ah, ok that's slightly more possible |
| 22:00.36 | Dagmar | it's just crazy that they'll think people will uncritically believe that teenagers are _that_ savage |
| 22:00.57 | Dagmar | Wait you're saying someone's more likely to send nude pics of themselves than they are of people they caught naked? |
| 22:01.13 | KarlKFI | than catchign someone naked and sending the pic, yes |
| 22:01.25 | Dagmar | Well, either way, 11%? |
| 22:01.32 | KarlKFI | the sending the pic would be pretty high % but seeign someone naked and havign a camera phoen would be pretty low |
| 22:01.46 | Dagmar | That's um, conservatively speaking, two million people sending naked pics of themselves around |
| 22:02.09 | Dagmar | You don't think there'd be twitter groups formed around that by now? |
| 22:02.09 | KarlKFI | i didn't say it was plausable, just more plausable than the alternative i was speakign of :P |
| 22:02.36 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:03.26 | Yewbacca2 | !api time |
| 22:03.26 | lua_bot | time: Returns the numeric time value for a described date/time (or the current time) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/time) |
| 22:04.34 | Lunessa | All I can say is ... the ubiquity of cameras is going to do a lot to shape future mores on nudity. |
| 22:05.01 | Yewbacca2 | Hmm trying to get microseconds... time() is just the integer |
| 22:05.37 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Oh I agree with you there, but I think there'd be _considerably_ more spillover into other sectors of society if those statistics were any more true than the other hoaxes that guy's fallen for |
| 22:05.49 | alestane | Lunessa: On privacy in general, I suspect. |
| 22:05.50 | Lunessa | I concur. |
| 22:06.31 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah. Many people are arguing that a truly free society can only occur when there is no privacy. I fear that kind of thinking. |
| 22:06.39 | KarlKFI | dunno, i think they're already fairly ubiquitous |
| 22:06.54 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Those people must be high. |
| 22:07.06 | Aelobin | Yewbacca2: i think you'd need to combine GetTime() with time() to figure out the miliseconds although GetTime() is just your pc uptime |
| 22:07.12 | Dagmar | Either that or they have a very poor grasp of English. |
| 22:07.26 | KarlKFI | cameras are following the cell phone trend. my father finally got a cell phone, after both of my grandparents... |
| 22:07.33 | Lunessa | Dagmar: They make some pretty eloquent and nearly convincing arguments. |
| 22:07.36 | Aelobin | iirc i think GetTime is milliseconds precision 0.o |
| 22:07.49 | Dagmar | Lunessa: This is why we have forensic analysis |
| 22:07.58 | alestane | Lunessa: David Brin approaches that in "Earth" somewhat. I would rephrase it somewhat; depending on the ability to conceal information is usually a fools' game. |
| 22:08.05 | Dagmar | ..and fancy names for it when someone's argument secretly is full of Stove Top Stuffing. |
| 22:08.07 | kd3 | gotta love getting home from work to a world server crash |
| 22:08.08 | Yewbacca2 | hmm |
| 22:08.13 | Yewbacca2 | !api GetTime |
| 22:08.13 | lua_bot | GetTime: Returns a number representing the current time (with millisecond precision) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTime) |
| 22:08.14 | Lunessa | alestane: He did it again in a recent novel. |
| 22:08.22 | Yewbacca2 | LOOOOOOOOOOOVELY |
| 22:08.34 | Yewbacca2 | So... the api bot is case sensitive? |
| 22:08.39 | Yewbacca2 | !api gettime |
| 22:08.39 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'gettime': ScrollingMessageFrame:GetTimeVisible, MovieRecording_GetTime, GetTime, MessageFrame:GetTimeVisible, GetTimeToWellRested |
| 22:08.51 | Yewbacca2 | Hmm. I searched for !api time just a minute ago and didn't get GetTime |
| 22:09.02 | alestane | It didn't match "GetTime" because "time" matched it perfectly. |
| 22:10.42 | Yewbacca2 | Ahh |
| 22:10.42 | alestane | Or so I presume. |
| 22:10.42 | alestane | !api tim |
| 22:10.42 | lua_bot | Found 55 possible matches for 'tim'. Please be more specific |
| 22:10.42 | alestane | !api ime |
| 22:10.42 | lua_bot | Found 56 possible matches for 'ime'. Please be more specific |
| 22:10.42 | Dagmar | !api Timmy |
| 22:10.43 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Timmy'. |
| 22:10.43 | alestane | That's no better. |
| 22:10.43 | Aelobin | xD |
| 22:10.43 | Dagmar | ...cuz he's one of a kind. |
| 22:10.43 | Pytlask | !api TIME |
| 22:10.43 | lua_bot | Found 55 possible matches for 'TIME'. Please be more specific |
| 22:10.43 | Pytlask | fails too |
| 22:10.44 | kneeki | !api cookies |
| 22:10.44 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'cookies'. |
| 22:10.44 | End | !api pie |
| 22:10.44 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'pie'. |
| 22:10.44 | kneeki | !api milk |
| 22:10.44 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'milk'. |
| 22:10.44 | Aelobin | !api api |
| 22:10.44 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'api': CommentatorGetCurrentMapID, GetBattlefieldMapIconScale, CommentatorGetMapInfo, GetMapInfo, CommentatorUpdateMapInfo |
| 22:10.44 | End | !api cake |
| 22:10.45 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'cake'. |
| 22:10.45 | Yewbacca2 | Bah. Wowprogramming.com is wrong :P It was system uptime :( |
| 22:10.45 | Aelobin | mwhahaha :P |
| 22:10.45 | Yewbacca2 | Wowprogramming: Returns a number representing the current time (with millisecond precision). |
| 22:10.45 | Yewbacca2 | Wowwiki: Returns the system uptime of your computer in seconds, with millisecond precision. |
| 22:10.47 | Yewbacca2 | Latter was right |
| 22:10.58 | Lunessa | alestane: the book I'm thinking about is "Kiln People" |
| 22:11.06 | alestane | Haven't seen that one yet. |
| 22:11.23 | Aelobin | there was a lib that estimated the seconds for GetRealmTime() using time(), maybe you could implement something similiar for time() and GetTime() |
| 22:11.29 | Aelobin | can't remember the name off the top of my head though |
| 22:11.36 | alestane | Yewbacca2: GetTime doesn't specify the context for the current time. |
| 22:11.52 | alestane | Just that you can compare it to other times, and it's in seconds. |
| 22:11.53 | End | well |
| 22:11.59 | Yewbacca2 | Contrary to what some believe, this does not return your current session time, time since launching the game, or time since the last patch. It returns the time since your own computer booted up. |
| 22:11.59 | Yewbacca2 | In Windows, this is gotten through the Windows kernel function GetTickCount(), divided by 1000. |
| 22:12.00 | End | it's true on windows that it's uptime |
| 22:12.08 | End | but OS X could vary it |
| 22:12.16 | Yewbacca2 | I am familiar with GetTickCount() and it seems GetTime() is just a wrapper for it |
| 22:12.51 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.davidbrin.com/othersfbooks.htm |
| 22:12.53 | Yewbacca2 | This does give an idea though. I could switch from storing timestamps with milliseconds (received from combat log events), to storing GetTime() across the board. |
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| 22:13.13 | alestane | Never work too much off the actual value from GetTime(); compare it to other values, or work with differences between time values. |
| 22:14.09 | Aelobin | Yewbacca2: http://www.wowwiki.com/GameTime:Get |
| 22:14.35 | Aelobin | that appends seconds to a function that returns only hour/minute, maybe you could use it as a base to create one for time()/GetGameTime() |
| 22:15.18 | jnwhiteh | Yewbacca2: wowprogramming is not "wrong"/ |
| 22:15.21 | jnwhiteh | its completely accurate |
| 22:15.31 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin that gives an idea |
| 22:15.36 | jnwhiteh | Returns a number representing the current time (with millisecond precision). |
| 22:15.39 | jnwhiteh | that's precisely what it does |
| 22:15.44 | jnwhiteh | that number may in fact be the system's uptime |
| 22:15.50 | jnwhiteh | but that doesn't invalidate the definition |
| 22:16.08 | Aelobin | uh oh tis getting warm, i think my pc's gonna start overheating again :< |
| 22:16.19 | jnwhiteh | Returns a number representing the current time (with millisecond precision). Unlike with time(), the number returned by this function has no meaning of its own and may not be comparable across clients; however, since it also provides higher resolution it can be compared against itself for high-precision time measurements. |
| 22:16.28 | jnwhiteh | I wrote that documentation, and it is 100% correct |
| 22:16.51 | Aelobin | i wrote this sentence and it's 100% correct |
| 22:17.17 | End | I stole this sentence and made changes to it, and now it's only 99% correct. |
| 22:17.28 | Dagmar | Aelobin: Make sure it can keep up. Give it a nice glass of water, or maybe something with some electrolytes in it like Gatoradae |
| 22:17.38 | Dagmar | You don't want it to get dehydrated on you |
| 22:17.45 | Aelobin | where to i pour it in? |
| 22:17.48 | Aelobin | *do |
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| 22:19.05 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin that gave me an idea... |
| 22:19.06 | Yewbacca2 | I could just as well do this (quickly and crappily written for illustration): localtimestored = GetTime(); offset = time() - localtimestored; function timewithmilliseconds() return offset + GetTime() end |
| 22:19.23 | Yewbacca2 | oops |
| 22:19.27 | Yewbacca2 | one missing thing ;) |
| 22:19.32 | jnwhiteh | Yewbacca2: Aelobin: Well I am just clarifying that you are incorrect |
| 22:19.42 | Aelobin | i'm not incorrect :P |
| 22:19.42 | Yewbacca2 | time(), need to re-write that. but yeah it will be doable this way |
| 22:19.45 | Lunessa | Aelobin: You laugh when I tell you, I once took a call from a guy who complained his computer was slow, so he lubricated it with WD-40 |
| 22:20.01 | Yewbacca2 | jnwhiteh I don't wanna argue the definition of what time is. :) |
| 22:20.01 | Aelobin | lol xD |
| 22:20.24 | Aelobin | time is money friend! |
| 22:20.41 | jnwhiteh | Yewbacca2: neither do I |
| 22:20.45 | jnwhiteh | but don't claim my site is wrong, when it's not. |
| 22:20.48 | Dagmar | Good luck borrowing an hour |
| 22:21.06 | Aelobin | speaking of time, i made my own time system last night :P |
| 22:21.10 | Aelobin | although it wouldnt work :< |
| 22:22.16 | p3lim | I need someone to translate english to german for me |
| 22:22.22 | p3lim | PM me for more details |
| 22:22.32 | Dagmar | Google. |
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| 22:23.39 | Aelobin | Yewbacca2: it would depend on how accurate you needed your time to be though, as it's not going to show real milliseconds, only an estimate |
| 22:24.15 | Aelobin | actually no, if you work out the offset on load like you said ^^ |
| 22:24.42 | Yewbacca2 | exactly :P and I wrote it right the first time, hehe. for a second I forgot what I made offset for |
| 22:24.50 | Yewbacca2 | that's crappily named vars etc though, was a test. |
| 22:25.16 | Yewbacca2 | But yeah get the current system uptime with milliseconds. offset=subtract that from time(), and from then on use return offset+GetTime() |
| 22:26.35 | Yewbacca2 | The call to time() may 1 millisecond later or so (from what I have observed), so it will be accurate. |
| 22:26.47 | Yewbacca2 | Since from then on it uses the stable GetTime() ticks value |
| 22:26.49 | Aelobin | still wouldn't be too accurate :P |
| 22:27.00 | Aelobin | if the offset was slightly out |
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| 22:28.27 | Yewbacca2 | Well think about it. Store a copy of the current ticks GetTime(), store a copy of the current time() with the stored ticks subtracted (in other words, "resetting" the timestamp to when your system was started). From then on, add the system ticks GetTime() to the stored timestamp offset, which in is accurate. |
| 22:28.46 | Yewbacca2 | There's only a 1-2 millisecond delay between the GetTime() and time() calls. And doing it onload, it will be fine from then on. |
| 22:28.55 | Aelobin | itll depend at what GetTime() you login, then it'll presume that those milliseconds were what time() would have returned, though that's not reliable :P |
| 22:29.38 | Yewbacca2 | Well GetTime() resets itself when you reboot the computer. Again, it's GetTickCount(), a windows kernel call that returns the number of ticks since last boot. |
| 22:29.45 | Aelobin | you'd need to keep monitory GetTime() and time() until time ticks a second and then set the offset from there so milliseconds start at the start of the second |
| 22:29.49 | Aelobin | though i think that's what you just said |
| 22:29.51 | Yewbacca2 | That's why it will be stable/accurate after the first offset is saved. |
| 22:30.04 | Yewbacca2 | It won't drift is what I mean |
| 22:30.15 | jnwhiteh | Yewbacca2: "windows kernel call" |
| 22:30.20 | jnwhiteh | too bad the clients aren't all windows |
| 22:30.20 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 22:30.27 | Aelobin | but still probably wont be too accurate :p |
| 22:30.49 | Yewbacca2 | Yeah. I am not sure what this uses as reference on linux and mac os. However, since I subtract whatever it uses, it's fine no matter what |
| 22:30.52 | Aelobin | your OnUpdate wont refresh fast enough to get an accurate reading of the GetTime() and time() monitoring |
| 22:31.01 | Aelobin | or it might, but i dno xD |
| 22:31.02 | jnwhiteh | I can confirm that the number does appear to match the system uptime on mac os x |
| 22:31.09 | Yewbacca2 | Thanks jnwhiteh |
| 22:31.10 | jnwhiteh | but the _point_ is the number is useless without comparison |
| 22:31.16 | jnwhiteh | so it doesn't matter what it represents |
| 22:31.21 | Yewbacca2 | Agreed. |
| 22:31.28 | jnwhiteh | only that it provides a regular millisecond precision clock |
| 22:31.32 | jnwhiteh | why not use debugprofilestart() |
| 22:31.35 | jnwhiteh | you can control when that starts |
| 22:31.48 | jnwhiteh | so use GetTime() |
| 22:32.02 | jnwhiteh | monitor it for a suitable number |
| 22:32.06 | jnwhiteh | and start the profile timer |
| 22:32.12 | jnwhiteh | this assumes no other addon uses it, however :P |
| 22:32.13 | Yewbacca2 | Precisely, and that's the neatness, no matter what it is, as long as it's an accurate millisecond clock, you can subtract it from time() once, store that value, and then simply add the two together whenever you want the current time. |
| 22:32.42 | Yewbacca2 | So it won't matter what mac/linux returns :) |
| 22:32.45 | Dagmar | Isn't that generally called an "offset"? |
| 22:32.51 | Aelobin | but there's no guarentee that the milliseconds from the GetTime() are correct for real time() |
| 22:32.59 | Aelobin | as it's just computer uptime which has an unreliable start time |
| 22:33.00 | jnwhiteh | Aelobin: absolutely correct |
| 22:33.04 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin good point |
| 22:33.23 | Yewbacca2 | That means that this will be usable as a milliseconds-elapsed, more than a milliseconds-of-the-current-second |
| 22:33.34 | Yewbacca2 | Still gonna fit my purpose (millisecond timer on buffs) |
| 22:34.03 | jnwhiteh | oh for that application, completely doesn't matter what the hell you do |
| 22:34.21 | mikma | for me to poop on! |
| 22:34.45 | jnwhiteh | so with this |
| 22:34.45 | jnwhiteh | BIND_TRADE_TIME_REMAINING = "You may trade this item with players that were also eligible to loot this item for the next %s."; |
| 22:34.48 | jnwhiteh | i can now win things |
| 22:34.54 | jnwhiteh | and then auction them off for money |
| 22:35.04 | jnwhiteh | "loot collusion" |
| 22:35.06 | jnwhiteh | good times :P |
| 22:35.25 | Dagmar | I give it less than two days from that hitting Live before someone's complaining on General that someone chased them around for an hour threatning them if they didn't give up the drop they won |
| 22:35.44 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:35.50 | Yewbacca2 | My mind is drifting a lot. Somehow I went from the solution (I wrote this 5 minutes ago): "This does give an idea though. I could switch from storing timestamps with milliseconds (received from combat log events), to storing GetTime() across the board." to thinking about how to get the current clock-time with milliseconds |
| 22:36.00 | Esamynn | Dagmar: it is sad, but I won't take that bet |
| 22:36.19 | Esamynn | as I'm sure you're right |
| 22:36.27 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm figuring two days is probably what it'll take if the forums go down that day |
| 22:36.32 | jnwhiteh | you can get very close by monitoring the server time |
| 22:36.37 | jnwhiteh | and waiting for it to tick over |
| 22:36.40 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 22:36.42 | jnwhiteh | fun exercise :P |
| 22:36.48 | Yewbacca2 | Indeed :) For some other time haha |
| 22:37.09 | Yewbacca2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/GameTime:Get actually does it that way |
| 22:38.05 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't measure the amount of time that hte "onupdate" costs :P |
| 22:38.11 | jnwhiteh | i dispute the accuracy |
| 22:38.19 | foxlit | I dispute the benefit. |
| 22:38.40 | zenzelezz | I always feel the default UI buff timer lingers around for a second when it hits 0 |
| 22:39.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i always feel the default ui buff timer... |
| 22:39.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ... it has a nice rack. |
| 22:40.15 | zenzelezz | you like big buffs and you cannot lie? |
| 22:40.29 | Lunessa | You other buffers can't deny |
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| 22:40.50 | zenzelezz | but when you see a gimp with an itty bitty buff... |
| 22:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ~zenzelezz++ |
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| 22:41.44 | Lunessa | My raider leader don't want none unless it's got buffs, son! |
| 22:42.13 | jnwhiteh | sleeps |
| 22:42.44 | Yewbacca2 | My mind is drifting a lot today... I forgot that I had heated food in the microwave over... 4 hours ago |
| 22:43.06 | Hjalte | Yewbacca2: Your microwave doesn't say BEEP BEEP BEEP? |
| 22:43.17 | amro | more like your stomach doesn't say BEEP |
| 22:45.43 | Yewbacca2 | beeps |
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| 22:49.30 | Yewbacca2 | jnwhiteh I came up with a solution btw, for what we discussed earlier |
| 22:49.40 | Yewbacca2 | You don't have to wait for server time to tick over, that's stupid |
| 22:50.54 | Yewbacca2 | Do it like this: Register a combat log filter event. When that triggers, you always recieve the current system time with milliseconds. Store: offset = timestamp - GetTime(). From then on, offset + GetTime() will have the real system time with accurate milliseconds. And the benefit is: Since you hook combat log, you get a value IMMEDIATELY on login. And even better: Simply unregisterevent |
| 22:50.58 | Yewbacca2 | when you are done. |
| 22:50.59 | Yewbacca2 | Voila? |
| 22:51.52 | Yewbacca2 | That means it won't even suck up any cycles once that first timestamp was received. |
| 22:52.13 | Yewbacca2 | just pwned the entire http://www.wowwiki.com/GameTime:Get implementation :p |
| 22:54.22 | Yewbacca2 | And while waiting for the offset, simply return regular time(), but that wait shouldn't be more than 1 second. The combat log is ripe with events from nearby mobs, your own actions, etc, so it'll trigger very fast |
| 23:15.43 | Shirik | ok, C# is making me angry |
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| 23:22.00 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it isnt worth it |
| 23:30.05 | Yewbacca2 | Shirik learn C++ if you wanna avoid crap like the C# garbage collector and all the overhead due to variable handling and virtual machine. |
| 23:31.52 | KarlKFI | dont think those are the things he has a problem with |
| 23:32.14 | KarlKFI | otherwise he'd hate Java too |
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| 23:34.13 | Ycarene | NPC's can parry from behind right? |
| 23:34.34 | Tuller | also learn c++ if you hate yourself :P |
| 23:35.00 | Dagmar | They can't parry from behind |
| 23:37.52 | Aqua | C++ garbage collection, i remember those days, its an easy way to write a computer virus |
| 23:38.04 | Aqua | don't do garbage collection and leave dangling points, promise its cool |
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| 23:47.56 | drfuzzykins | I do believe trying to get Ruby 1.9.1 and Rails 2.3.2 to work under Windows is about the most painful thing one could ever attempt to do |
| 23:51.01 | Norsken | wow. |
| 23:51.11 | drfuzzykins | tried sqlite3, no good; tried mysql, pretends to install but doesn't actually function; maybe PostgreSQL... |
| 23:51.11 | Norsken | I just joined here for the first time in a few months, and that's what I've been trying to accomplish all day |
| 23:52.02 | Norsken | what error do you get with sqlite3? :-o |
| 23:52.44 | Nechckn | I would like to say, "Oh, just do x, y, and z." but I've had a wrestling match or two in the past with the same. |
| 23:52.55 | drfuzzykins | sqlite3-ruby 1.2.4 is the only version which functions on Ruby 1.9.1 and Rails 2.3.2 |
| 23:53.04 | drfuzzykins | but it isn't built for windows, and I cannot for the life of me get it to build |
| 23:53.16 | drfuzzykins | 1.2.3 and earlier are built for windows, but will not function |
| 23:53.28 | Nechckn | um.. someone was just saying how easy they had it, but I cannot recall who, off hand. |
| 23:54.03 | drfuzzykins | I'd love that person, because I've never worked with PostgreSQL and that seems to be the only db I can get to work |
| 23:54.26 | Nechckn | It was yesterday, and my scroll back only goes to midnight, unfortunately. |
| 23:54.30 | drfuzzykins | my plan B is to install a virtual Ubuntu 9 dev environment... |
| 23:55.04 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster were you in on that ruby discussion yesterday? |
| 23:56.12 | Nechckn | you may be better off doing that, but I'd try a little later in here and see if you can find one of the folks who was talking about it. |
| 23:56.32 | drfuzzykins | well see, the problem is the new versions of ruby and rails |
| 23:56.55 | drfuzzykins | ruby 1.8.7 and rails 2.2.2 are actually really really easy to get running on windows |
| 23:57.18 | drfuzzykins | and a lot of people still use 1.8.7, I'm guessing that's what they were doing |
| 23:57.31 | Nechckn | It could well be |
