| 00:00.21 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hm |
| 00:00.50 | Aqua | yea, but the older mac's are different iirc |
| 00:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, so OSX has two different temp dirs? |
| 00:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome |
| 00:01.44 | Lunessa | I'm on 10.5.7 but the machine was originally shipped with 10.3.x and I haven't wiped it in forever. |
| 00:02.00 | Aqua | its /tmp, and /private/tmp feed the same place |
| 00:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | which is what? |
| 00:02.10 | bleeter | what aqua said, and iirc most *nix's have two tmps, /tmp and /var/tmp |
| 00:02.23 | bleeter | tho /var/tmp is severely discouraged |
| 00:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: sure, but $TEMP pretty much never points to /var/tmp |
| 00:02.50 | Aqua | yea, but someone might have used /var/tmp because my macbook (new) has stuff in /var/tmp |
| 00:02.52 | Lunessa | So you should be safe looking for /tmp |
| 00:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Thing is I'm not :/ |
| 00:03.08 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: it should do when you're doing tmp stuff that needs to survive a reboot, iirc /tmp is not guaranteed to do that |
| 00:03.25 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: *for a user |
| 00:03.47 | bleeter | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 2009-06-23 05:18 . |
| 00:03.53 | bleeter | hmm if you say so |
| 00:05.12 | Aqua | my macbook is setup like this /tmp -> /private/tmp |
| 00:05.57 | Aqua | wow I compressed a n xvid and its 2 gigs |
| 00:05.59 | Aqua | whoops |
| 00:07.34 | ScytheBlade1 | So then given /private/var/folders/MR/MRfVKNAQGKCYtBmKXvUII++++TI/-Tmp-/ |
| 00:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything after the var/ was app specific? |
| 00:08.32 | Lunessa | Most likely. |
| 00:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm |
| 00:08.39 | ScytheBlade1 | k, thanks |
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| 00:59.29 | bleeter | well seeing someone else raised it.. how about those wowecon ui policy violations? |
| 01:02.57 | Lunessa | buries bleeter up to his neck in sand. |
| 01:03.13 | bleeter | Lunessa: wrong end of the country, dear |
| 01:03.42 | Lunessa | Doesn't matter, I just want to make sure you're still in place when the bulldozer comes. |
| 01:03.54 | bleeter | bwhahaha |
| 01:08.49 | bleeter | Lunessa: I thought you were burying me so as I didn't start banging on about wowecon :P |
| 01:09.49 | Lunessa | Nah, Just took an opportunity to make a joke at your down under status, a news bit, and the fact that the subject's been hashed to death. |
| 01:09.58 | Lunessa | And I'm twisted. |
| 01:10.48 | End | with lemon |
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| 01:11.48 | bleeter | Lunessa: oh, it has? I've avoided UI forum since policy launch, pretty much... had my feeling about wowecon for some time, didn't realise it'd been beaten to death. only felt like saying something since norgs did. apols 'n all. |
| 01:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | grwar, hating OSX -.- |
| 01:12.56 | Lunessa | Nah, no worries. I rather suspect that they're being naughty in some ways, and that it'll be dealt with. But I also expect they could deliver their product and charge for their site "in the clear" with a little effort. |
| 01:13.03 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: of course you do. it's the next + macos with all the good bits thrown away ;) |
| 01:13.04 | Lunessa | What now SBO? |
| 01:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Same thing from three different people |
| 01:13.45 | bleeter | Lunessa: norgs nails it in his UI post, pretty much. just a heads up for you ;) |
| 01:13.53 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 01:13.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Java thinks that it is the right temp dir, but then says that it isn't |
| 01:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | So confusing |
| 01:16.36 | Lunessa | bleeter: What parts form 8 / 9 do you want still? |
| 01:16.46 | Iriel | OSX does use a symlinked tmp, and a somewhat odd /private setup |
| 01:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I've noticed |
| 01:17.48 | Iriel | Though I use it and java all the time without issue |
| 01:17.57 | Lunessa | Yeah, he's been fighting with it for the last hour or so. |
| 01:18.23 | Iriel | What's the symptom? |
| 01:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | moment |
| 01:19.05 | bleeter | Lunessa: huh? |
| 01:19.19 | Wobin | zomg |
| 01:19.30 | bleeter | fwiw, folks.. /private is NeXT :P |
| 01:19.38 | Wobin | they're -resetting- the midsummer quests? |
| 01:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | java.lang.SecurityException: Write access to '/private/var/folders/sm/smyNOQGTGcGLgQuDXK840E+++TI/-Tmp-/extractor6123939633848159233/Inquest' is denied in this context |
| 01:19.50 | bleeter | Wobin: yeah coz they failed at testing the event this year |
| 01:19.54 | Wobin | that means I can get enough flowers to buy the toy too =P |
| 01:20.01 | Wobin | as I've already done the meta-achievement =P |
| 01:20.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It checks the getProperty() for the proper temp dir |
| 01:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And then fails the temp dir security check? |
| 01:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | So confused |
| 01:20.16 | Lunessa | Bleeter - " of course you do. it's the next + macos with all the good bits thrown away ;)" What parts of Mac OS 8/9 were the best bits that got thrown away? |
| 01:20.22 | bleeter | Lunessa: /private is one of the shite bits they kept :P |
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| 01:21.03 | Iriel | Is the 'check' something implemented by you or by the JRE? |
| 01:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Me |
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| 01:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Or rather, Shirik |
| 01:21.27 | Iriel | Because it might be a failure to use getCanonicalFile on BOTH sides of the test |
| 01:21.42 | Lunessa | Until Mac OS X, I'd never worked with NeXT - mostly because I didn't want to pony up for their boxes. |
| 01:21.52 | bleeter | Lunessa: who said anything about 8 & 9? They kinda lost the plot for a bit after 7! :P |
| 01:27.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: from that line I pasted, where in that path would the "temp" directory start? |
| 01:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: right now, there is a check in place to make sure that if a component wants access to a temporary location, that it is actually a temp location they're writing to |
| 01:28.12 | Lunessa | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/184.html |
| 01:28.15 | Iriel | It'd be easier if I could see the java code |
| 01:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not the hard part :) |
| 01:28.39 | ScytheBlade1 | if (file.startsWith("/private/tmp/")) { return true; } <-- if it is OSX |
| 01:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the current check, which would need to be expanded to fit this /private/var/ tempdir, it would seem |
| 01:29.23 | Iriel | Yes, that's... an interesting approach |
| 01:29.36 | Iriel | YOu could try something like... |
| 01:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:29.51 | Iriel | String osxTempDir = new File("/private/tmp/").getCanonicalFile().toString(); |
| 01:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing is, that wouldn't fix it either |
| 01:31.45 | Iriel | Pastey the code 8-) |
| 01:31.49 | ScytheBlade1 | As the problem is it is writing to /private/var/ instead of /private/tmp/ |
| 01:32.06 | Iriel | Did you try what I pasted? |
| 01:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly I'm not sure if I can :( |
| 01:32.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I can't, no OSX here |
| 01:32.26 | Iriel | In theory getCanonicalFile() will return the actual path |
| 01:32.42 | Iriel | so for example, "/private/var/folders/sm/blahblahblah/-Tmp-/" |
| 01:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | OH |
| 01:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I really really really hate OSX |
| 01:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes sense |
| 01:33.12 | Iriel | No, you hate badly written java code |
| 01:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that too :) |
| 01:33.23 | Iriel | Just doing a prefix check is very poor form |
| 01:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | coughs and pokes Shirik |
| 01:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains that, thanks Iriel |
| 01:36.07 | Iriel | The real check should call getCanonicalFile() on the temp dir and the target file, and then check that (in successive getParentFIle() calls) that the target ends up matching the temp dir. |
| 01:36.27 | Iriel | Or I guess, it could just canonicalize both and check for a common prefix as long as it ends with the separator character |
| 01:36.27 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 01:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
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| 02:09.21 | Arrowmaster | proof its too fucking hot |
| 02:09.29 | Arrowmaster | i just went and shaved my beard off |
| 02:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:13.52 | Lunessa | Damn, that's drastic. Even in the heat, I keep mine. |
| 02:15.43 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why i moved to seattle, actually |
| 02:20.25 | tekkub | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 02:20.30 | tekkub | (yes I'm slow) |
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| 02:27.05 | Lunessa | tekkub: Now you say, "KHAN!" |
| 02:33.02 | Cidan | heeyy |
| 02:33.07 | Cidan | Lunessa: How's Champions? |
| 02:33.42 | Lunessa | Cidan: It plays like COX mated with Quake 2 |
| 02:34.01 | Cidan | So... going to go with... Not so good? |
| 02:35.29 | Lunessa | Hard to say. I feel like I haven't given it a chance, but I also feel like I'm playing a game with a lot of baggage and new elements grafted on that were taken from other games. |
| 02:35.41 | Lunessa | Combat feels very FPS-ish. |
| 02:36.09 | Cidan | Indeed. |
| 02:37.53 | Lunessa | Also, the damned tutorial reminded me so much of City of Heroes that I almost puked. |
| 02:37.59 | Cidan | lol |
| 02:38.03 | Cidan | It is, isn't it? |
| 02:38.08 | Cidan | Ah well |
| 02:38.11 | Cidan | another MMO down the shitter. |
| 02:38.11 | Lunessa | I did that damned tutorial 100+ times in CoX |
| 02:38.18 | Cidan | They just delayed it. |
| 02:39.27 | Lunessa | Really? They need time to re-think some of this crap. "Go here, fight stuff, click the fucking glowing thing" - so 5 years ago. |
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| 02:40.05 | Lunessa | And to be clear, I /want/ to like this game. |
| 02:40.46 | Iriel | I always liked the 'simplified' nature of early CoH - they'd stripped away lots of the baggage -- IMHO the CoH undoing was the lack of content |
| 02:42.16 | Lunessa | I liked CoH, I beta tested it, and I played it 8-16 hours a day for 5 months - by month 6 - I couldn't stand to login. And boy was I happy to have WoW instead. |
| 02:43.36 | Iriel | Lunessa: I ended up in a somewhat similar position, slightly less time per day, but I had SWG mixed in there too a bit |
| 02:43.39 | Cidan | When my ex cheated on me, she actually had the nerve to want me to bond with the guy she cheated on me with by playing CoH together, the three of us. |
| 02:43.46 | Cidan | Did I mention I hate the fucking bitch? |
| 02:44.05 | Lunessa | Iriel: I left EQ and I had lots of free time. |
| 02:44.26 | Lunessa | Cidan: Her name wouldn't have been Michelle would it? |
| 02:44.40 | Cidan | Nope. |
| 02:44.48 | Lunessa | relaxes. |
| 02:44.59 | Cidan | Nancy. Shirik her and I had lunch once when he was up here. |
| 02:45.10 | Cidan | HEY SHIRIK, WHEN ARE YOU HERE NEXT ANYWAY? |
| 02:46.09 | Cidan | Hm |
| 02:46.19 | Cidan | What Genre should I put all my Final Fantasy MP3's under? |
| 02:46.27 | Lunessa | I played a lot of CoH. And it was refreshingly simple. But it lacked depth. All the missions were "Kill these, click this glowing thing, come back." |
| 02:46.46 | Cidan | Lunessa: Indeed. |
| 02:46.50 | Cidan | I got to level 16 |
| 02:46.55 | Cidan | Got my flying skill, quit. |
| 02:47.09 | Cidan | And the Positron chain quest or whatever? FFFFFF that. |
| 02:47.40 | Lunessa | I played multiple characters, well into the upper-reaches, but never quite to max-level. |
| 02:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: rap |
| 02:49.11 | Cidan | lol? |
| 02:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 02:50.10 | Cidan | I'm trying to keep everything clean and tagged properly |
| 02:50.32 | Cidan | My FF collection will take hours alone. |
| 02:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Genre is so subjective with so much variance from track to track even within a single album that I gave up on tracking it |
| 02:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I would like to add it back, eventually |
| 02:51.10 | Iriel | Cidan: How about 'soundtrack' |
| 02:51.15 | Cidan | Well it's everything else too; album names, etc. |
| 02:51.22 | Cidan | Iriel: Indeed, that's what I settled on. |
| 02:52.41 | Cidan | Also, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is like, 20 kinds of amazing. Been watching it as of late, all the way through. Just thought I'd share. |
| 02:55.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i was never a fan.. but i really dont like sarah michelle geller |
| 02:58.32 | AnduinLothar | is there a way to set a binding default? |
| 02:59.17 | Arrowmaster | not officially but it should be possible |
| 02:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: there, have an actual commit |
| 02:59.31 | ScytheBlade1 | afks for a bit |
| 03:00.40 | Arrowmaster | just check if the binding is set, and if your default isnt bound to anything, then set the binding to your default |
| 03:01.31 | AnduinLothar | wtb xml method |
| 03:03.25 | cog|work | How wrong is it to take medications with a shot of tequila? |
| 03:03.29 | Lunessa | Can you include the bindings in the bindings.xml? (lame question but I never bothered to do look at or try this) |
| 03:03.47 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Not wrong if you're looking to make an er trip. |
| 03:03.51 | ckknight | cogwheel: semi-wrong |
| 03:03.53 | Iriel | Lunessa: Not AFAIK |
| 03:04.05 | Lunessa | Iriel: Thanks |
| 03:04.15 | cogwheel | well i mean, i would be taking the shot of tequila anyway... what's the point in getting up to get water just to take an antibiotic? |
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| 03:08.11 | Lunessa | cogwheel: so. wrong. |
| 03:08.12 | cogwheel | :P |
| 03:08.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ~cogwheel++ |
| 03:12.15 | bleeter | cogwheel: I dunno.. when I was in Ireland and had colds I'd be near 24/7 on Irish coffee.. hell of a lot cheaper (and more fun) than pharmaceuticals ;) |
| 03:12.38 | cogwheel | :) |
| 03:13.25 | Lunessa | I suppose if you have enough alcohol in you... |
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| 03:40.53 | Shirik | Cidan |
| 03:40.56 | Shirik | quit talking about me behind my back |
| 03:42.19 | Shirik | Iriel: It was a hack |
| 03:42.22 | Shirik | because I had other problems with OSX |
| 03:42.56 | Shirik | Cidan: ARound Aug 16 |
| 03:43.48 | bleeter | Wobin: (stop me if I told you this before) did you see anabell crabb's OpEd in the SMH today? 'This is the first time a PM has sought a character reference from a car salesman' lololol |
| 03:45.19 | Thunder_Child | besides Dolby, anyone a serious PS user? |
| 03:45.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Your commit fails review |
| 03:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | project files suck! |
| 03:46.02 | Shirik | has nothing to do with project files |
| 03:46.10 | Shirik | has to do with your java change |
| 03:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | points at the blinking PM window somewhere on your screen |
| 03:49.08 | kd3 | ho... they're going to totally wipe all of the midsummer quests |
| 03:49.13 | kd3 | so I get to do them twice this year |
| 03:49.23 | kd3 | yay! now I can buy everything I need in one year |
| 03:49.41 | Zyndrome | yerr |
| 03:49.58 | Arrowmaster | i bought everything needed last year.... |
| 03:50.02 | Zyndrome | my server just restarted, and could pick up A Thiefs Reward right away... suddenly, I got 2 crowns :< |
| 03:50.30 | Arrowmaster | i had 2 crowns last year and deleted one, as soon as the event started i could get another one |
| 03:51.01 | Wobin | bleeter: *goes to have a look* |
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| 03:51.18 | Arrowmaster | although that was the only quest, no daily in shatt, no summon quest in slave pens, no quest to goto ashenvale in org |
| 03:51.27 | bleeter | Wobin: it's only the last line that's worthy of quoting, and that was it ;) |
| 03:54.10 | bleeter | cogwheel: btw, where's my tuna friendly dolphin, YOU BASTARD! :P |
| 03:54.23 | cogwheel | i had the same thought when i read that article :P |
| 03:54.46 | Wobin | also, ahaha at star tattoo girl |
| 03:54.58 | bleeter | cogwheel: now that's scary |
| 03:56.14 | bleeter | Wobin: yeah fell asleep mmm i believe that and i believe in small blue people from mars too |
| 03:56.45 | Thunder_Child | "[08:56] [2] <80:Jezzyka>: theres only 1 set of hair on a 4 year old" >.< |
| 04:02.51 | Iriel | Shirik: At least you can admit it 8-) |
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| 04:09.28 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6uI_EQLoWI |
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| 04:17.28 | Shirik | Iriel: Can I now complain about how odd that is? |
| 04:17.35 | Shirik | why would you have a symlink to a symlink anyway |
| 04:19.44 | Shirik | bad Iriel! |
| 04:19.46 | Shirik | you told him getCanonicalFile().toString()? |
| 04:20.17 | Shirik | or is he blaming stuff on you incorrectly :) |
| 04:20.36 | Arrowmaster | symlink to a symlink is a core part of any debian based system |
| 04:20.46 | Arrowmaster | update-alternatives |
| 04:21.21 | Shirik | goes off on debian being broken' |
| 04:21.28 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 04:21.29 | Shirik | debian still installs netbeans 6.0 |
| 04:21.30 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 04:21.47 | kd3 | it's.. debian? |
| 04:21.53 | Shirik | is it really necessary to go that far back in time? |
| 04:21.56 | kd3 | debian is always stuck a few years behind? |
| 04:22.17 | Arrowmaster | usually its only debian stable thats lagging far behind |
| 04:22.21 | Shirik | 6.0 isn't even on the chart anymore |
| 04:22.26 | Shirik | for release dates |
| 04:22.28 | Shirik | that's how old it is |
| 04:22.30 | Arrowmaster | but it does look like netbeans 6 is whats in unstable |
| 04:22.44 | Shirik | here we are |
| 04:22.46 | Shirik | Dec 3, 2007 |
| 04:22.53 | Shirik | that's better than I thought |
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| 04:23.51 | Shirik | so like, aren't there unpatched security vulnerabilities in software that old? |
| 04:23.54 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Shirik |
| 04:23.56 | Shirik | or do they patch them alon |
| 04:24.10 | Thunder_Child | website? huh huh huh? |
| 04:24.15 | Thunder_Child | poke poke poke |
| 04:24.15 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: does netbeans build with openjdk? |
| 04:24.25 | Shirik | it isn't attached to any jdk, Arrowmaster |
| 04:24.26 | Shirik | it could |
| 04:24.34 | Arrowmaster | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=478762 |
| 04:24.35 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Sorry :( |
| 04:24.42 | Thunder_Child | glares @ Shirik |
| 04:25.24 | Shirik | lmao @ "netbeans 6.1 was released recently" |
| 04:25.32 | Shirik | and still open |
| 04:25.43 | Thunder_Child | i'm going to start texting you Shirik! |
| 04:26.32 | Shirik | Anyway, Arrowmaster, in theory it isn't attached to any jdk |
| 04:26.34 | Shirik | I've installed several |
| 04:26.42 | Shirik | you just specify the path to the JDK |
| 04:26.54 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: You have my number? |
| 04:27.20 | Shirik | tekkub: Have you seen shirt.woot.com? |
| 04:27.37 | tekkub | yes |
| 04:27.39 | tekkub | I poor |
| 04:27.44 | tekkub | someone buy it for me :P |
| 04:29.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:29.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: call cair -> get number -> poke repeatedly |
| 04:29.45 | Thunder_Child | lol @ bacon |
| 04:30.10 | Thunder_Child | i have to admit i really like the shirts http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-alias=apparel&field-brandtextbin=The%20Mountain |
| 04:30.13 | Thunder_Child | there ^ |
| 04:30.37 | tekkub | sometimes threadless has good ones, but their prices suck |
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| 04:37.25 | Shirik | me scuzzi |
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| 04:42.06 | Shirik | tackles widgertick |
| 04:42.14 | widgertick | is easily defeated. |
| 04:42.24 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:42.26 | sacarasc | O_o |
| 04:42.27 | Shirik | that was boring |
| 04:42.32 | sacarasc | Get a room. |
| 04:44.11 | widgertick | Adios |
| 04:44.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:46.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: I totally just posted on b.net tech support.. ;) |
| 04:47.12 | Sixen | ORLY |
| 04:47.16 | ScytheBlade1 | yarly |
| 04:47.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Quick, go be psychic and fix my problem! |
| 04:47.36 | Sixen | =) |
| 04:48.13 | Shirik | I blame ID10T |
| 04:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 04:48.36 | Shirik | There should totally be a registry setting like that |
| 04:48.36 | Thunder_Child | sadly Shirik, it works better whan spoken |
| 04:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: but seriously, I have no idea why it is doing what it is =[ |
| 04:50.03 | Shirik | well, what is it doing |
| 04:50.05 | Sixen | I'll check it out in a bit, ;P. |
| 04:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, no worries |
| 04:50.34 | ScytheBlade1 | randomly pegging a CPU and locking the game up in the process, for about a second |
| 04:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | and then dropping down way down in CPU usage to a normal level |
| 04:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And then back up! |
| 04:51.07 | Thunder_Child | blame Shirik |
| 04:51.59 | Shirik | I know what it is |
| 04:52.04 | Shirik | someone's reading a file one byte at a time |
| 04:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | somehow I'm not too sure that's the problem |
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| 05:11.48 | Wobin | =\ |
| 05:11.54 | Wobin | MM I seem to do less dps than Surv atm |
| 05:12.05 | Wobin | also I burn through my mana faster |
| 05:12.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i think at lower gear levels SV outperforms MM |
| 05:12.40 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: THREE WOLVES ONE MOON! |
| 05:12.53 | Wobin | yeah, I'm post Naxx10 - PreUlduar |
| 05:13.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
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| 05:13.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i think MM pulls ahead in ulduar/BiS gear |
| 05:13.38 | Wobin | pft, not something I need to hold my breath for =P |
| 05:13.54 | NightHawkTheSane | and if you're solo/partying it, surv might have a mana advantage to to self-supplying replenishment |
| 05:14.03 | NightHawkTheSane | but in a raid, thats a wash |
| 05:14.05 | Wobin | My DK is doing ulduar 10, but I don't see it happening for my hunter for a bit |
| 05:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm just commenting really |
| 05:14.24 | Wobin | Surv seems more mana efficient |
| 05:15.39 | Wobin | although, I might respec MM to remove imp AotH |
| 05:15.46 | Wobin | as I'm close to GCD on steady already |
| 05:16.29 | Wobin | although, ugh, Focused Fire =\ |
| 05:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Thing is with that, though.. yeah.. FF and i like imp revive pet |
| 05:18.50 | Wobin | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/khopki30/vlcsnap-212831.png |
| 05:18.55 | Wobin | anyone recognise that movie? |
| 05:19.57 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: I find it odd to see so much of my damage done by autoshot as an MM |
| 05:20.14 | Wobin | makes me feel I'm doing something wrong |
| 05:21.27 | NightHawkTheSane | wild quiver, i suspect :P |
| 05:21.39 | Wobin | actually not =\ |
| 05:22.01 | Wobin | autoshot equated to 30% of my damage for a full mana bar on the dummy |
| 05:22.03 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. *shrug* |
| 05:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, only 30? that doesnt seem bad at all |
| 05:22.15 | Wobin | followed by Steady |
| 05:22.18 | Wobin | then Chimera |
| 05:22.26 | |Jelly| | just blame Shirik |
| 05:28.14 | Thunder_Child | /agree |Jelly| |
| 05:28.29 | bleeter | blames canada |
| 05:28.37 | Thunder_Child | ~blame bleeter |
| 05:28.51 | Thunder_Child | is purl on vacation or something? nothing seems to be working |
| 05:45.25 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:45.27 | Shirik | woot-off item |
| 05:45.30 | Shirik | $0.01 |
| 05:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ... +$5 shipping.. wtf? :P |
| 05:51.52 | Thunder_Child | it's how they start...the bag of crap right? |
| 05:52.10 | NightHawkTheSane | no. |
| 05:52.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it was a mechanical pencil |
| 05:52.26 | Thunder_Child | heh |
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| 06:52.43 | NightHawkTheSane | This amuses me: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-should-pull-the-plug-on-the-iphone |
| 06:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, dvorak |
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| 07:20.04 | End | man dvorak does say some silly things |
| 07:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | 'some'? |
| 07:21.37 | End | hey, I've seen him say non-crazy things! |
| 07:21.45 | End | it sounds crazy, I know! |
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| 08:02.38 | msou| | Hmmm |
| 08:02.58 | msou| | A lot of players sell epic items and I wonder how do they do that since it's always soulbound. Enchanting? |
| 08:03.04 | msou| | Disenchanting... |
| 08:03.31 | nevcairiel | There are alot of BoE Epic items from the various raid dungeons |
| 08:03.34 | Elkano | not all items are BoP |
| 08:03.48 | msou| | What is BoE/BoP |
| 08:04.03 | Elkano | Bind on Equip / Bind on Pick |
| 08:04.09 | msou| | Ah |
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| 08:05.26 | Xinhuan | you can also sell a BoP item by bringing the buyer player to the boss it drops from (in effect, you are killing the boss for him) |
| 08:05.34 | Xinhuan | if the item drops, he pays up and you loot the item to him |
| 08:05.47 | Xinhuan | if it doesn't drop, then no payment is made (usually) |
| 08:06.35 | Wobin | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3314/3632669933_53e1e0c12b_o.jpg |
| 08:06.35 | msou| | Yeah most raids have lootmaster who usually gives to his "friends" first players later or the new members etc |
| 08:06.56 | msou| | I don't care much about items to be honest... been playing for how long 2 and a half month I think |
| 08:07.20 | msou| | Whatever item it is I will get it sooner or later... I just dispise some players attitude |
| 08:07.34 | msou| | you know the type that wants to make you stress instead of enjoying the game |
| 08:08.00 | msou| | Hence me leaving the guild yesterday free as a bird and when I join one next I'll make sure things like that won't happen |
| 08:08.07 | Xinhuan | i'll assumd you aren't in a raiding guild, from that response |
| 08:08.14 | Xinhuan | assume* |
| 08:08.14 | msou| | I was |
| 08:08.22 | msou| | Listen to this |
| 08:09.02 | Xinhuan | well you are making a very broad generalization by saying "most guilds" give items to their friends first |
| 08:09.07 | msou| | I placed 3rd the second full run for me and she says "we're suspending you for 2 weeks because you don't know tacs" now if you tell me do you know naxx 100% I honestly will tell you no but you always can explain won't take a minute even |
| 08:09.13 | Xinhuan | when in fact most guilds don't do that |
| 08:09.25 | msou| | Ahh I am sorry for that, missed express myself by that |
| 08:09.51 | Wobin | I suspect it was a terrible guild |
| 08:09.52 | Xinhuan | there's a large variety of loot systems available that guilds can employ |
| 08:09.54 | Wobin | if they do that |
| 08:10.19 | Xinhuan | the most common type is based on earning "points" by raiding and you use these points to bid on gear that drops |
| 08:10.30 | tekkub | raid leaders that won't explain fights are pure fail |
| 08:10.36 | Xinhuan | the type where a few individuals decide who is best to give gear to is called "loot council" |
| 08:10.40 | msou| | Wobin: indeed |
| 08:10.49 | msou| | Xinhuan: want me to tell you something |
| 08:10.56 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: raiders that dont know fights before the show up are pure fail |
| 08:11.00 | Wobin | what was your average dps in the boss fights? |
| 08:11.03 | NightHawkTheSane | they* |
| 08:11.14 | msou| | the loot time she does that /roll thingie and the tankers go fight the next mobs in that quarter for instance and you don't know should I roll or fight |
| 08:11.15 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: BEFORE, no, I'm sorry I don't buy that shit |
| 08:11.21 | msou| | cause they don't need that item |
| 08:11.25 | tekkub | after they've done it 2-3 times, yes |
| 08:11.27 | msou| | but uh what can I say |
| 08:11.32 | Wobin | msou|: You roll if you need the items |
| 08:11.37 | Wobin | you go fight if you don't |
| 08:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: i dont want to waste my precious time explaining a boss because you're too fucking lazy to read wowwiki and watch a couple videos |
| 08:11.50 | msou| | heh |
| 08:11.54 | Xinhuan | if you don't know what items you need, then i suspect you aren't very knowledgable about the game |
| 08:11.56 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: then you are a bad leader |
| 08:12.01 | tekkub | :P |
| 08:12.02 | NightHawkTheSane | all that needs explaining is about 2m worth of the implementation details of how a specific guild handles something |
| 08:12.03 | msou| | Xinhuan: no I do |
| 08:12.16 | Xinhuan | all 24 players should go and fight |
| 08:12.21 | Wobin | what NHTS says |
| 08:12.23 | Xinhuan | only the loot master needs to stay at the corpse |
| 08:12.24 | msou| | but the loot system was horrible and I don't care as a matter of fact I rather buy the things from a vendor but they don't sell them all |
| 08:12.27 | Xinhuan | ro hand out the items |
| 08:12.32 | tekkub | if you can't explain a fight in 2 minutes, that's also fail :P |
| 08:12.36 | Xinhuan | to* |
| 08:12.46 | msou| | there was no hand out mate |
| 08:12.47 | Wobin | msou|: unfortunately you will never progress if you only use vendor bought items |
| 08:12.49 | msou| | was like this |
| 08:12.51 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a lot of fights that just have more going on that can be explained that quickly |
| 08:13.32 | msou| | I as the tank my offspec is dps I get that item because I know the leader and I am older member even if your main is dps still I am first |
| 08:13.39 | msou| | that's what happened |
| 08:13.54 | msou| | Wobin: I have a decent gear and some say imba |
| 08:14.01 | Xinhuan | it sounds like you have had a horrible experience with "loot council" system then, the person giving out the loot is biased |
| 08:14.09 | msou| | I didn't evn know what imba until few weeks back |
| 08:14.43 | Xinhuan | because if the loot master isn't biased, it is an excellent loot distributino model for many top guilds in theworld |
| 08:14.48 | msou| | Xinhuan: yeah but meh it goes like this "not today tomorrow if not tomorrow the day after" |
| 08:15.20 | msou| | the only time they couldn't do a thing they got few pug |
| 08:15.21 | Wobin | that's reason enough to leave |
| 08:15.28 | msou| | they had to leave /roll wide open |
| 08:15.43 | msou| | Wobin: which is why I left and I left to be honest because two kids were annoying me |
| 08:15.47 | msou| | and I mean it literally kids |
| 08:15.51 | Xinhuan | err if you can't 20-man a boss, i wouldn't call your guild a raiding guild |
| 08:15.57 | Wobin | that's why I like my guild |
| 08:16.02 | Wobin | you have to be over 25 to join |
| 08:16.25 | tekkub | if you can't do the boss with your healers using dvorak keyboards, I wouldn't call you a raid guild |
| 08:16.49 | msou| | Xinhuan: Thank you and the funny part she says "we passed naxx" you know that boss that you need to kill two adds then go to him? |
| 08:16.59 | msou| | they never complete it the same day just one try then do something else |
| 08:17.04 | Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 08:17.08 | msou| | Wobin: aah tell me about it |
| 08:17.22 | Xinhuan | thaddius is a retard check ;p |
| 08:17.27 | msou| | hahah |
| 08:17.42 | tekkub | retard checks should be the first boss in every instance |
| 08:17.49 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 08:17.52 | msou| | hahah |
| 08:17.53 | tekkub | make the SECOND boss the "free epics" |
| 08:18.02 | tekkub | if you can get to him, you deserve em |
| 08:18.03 | msou| | I cannot argue you there |
| 08:18.14 | msou| | see I read and to make sure I ask in /ra |
| 08:18.24 | msou| | I saw videos on youtube and one on wowwiki even |
| 08:18.32 | tekkub | step in the door, no trash... first room is the retard check boss |
| 08:18.39 | msou| | I think the big purple not spider ano something his name |
| 08:19.02 | msou| | the first video I checked, was |
| 08:19.18 | msou| | and god bless wowhead for every single quest or item you seek |
| 08:19.59 | msou| | by the way, now I am going as a tank. one handed sword/axe or twohanded wep? |
| 08:20.19 | Xinhuan | is that a trick question? |
| 08:20.24 | msou| | dk tank, thought of using to axes from tournament vendor sin'jin or the one from up |
| 08:20.42 | msou| | no actually I already know "two handed wep" but |
| 08:20.53 | tekkub | no butts |
| 08:21.04 | msou| | most of the weps I saw doesn't have defense nor dodge unless it is a one-handed |
| 08:21.24 | tekkub | if you have to think about it, you're doing it wrong |
| 08:21.29 | Xinhuan | that's correct but those weapons aren't intended for use by DKs |
| 08:21.30 | msou| | I see |
| 08:21.50 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 08:21.54 | msou| | my current gear and stats |
| 08:22.00 | tekkub | <--- knows nothing of DKtanking |
| 08:22.10 | tekkub | also cannot focus on shit |
| 08:22.14 | msou| | hehe |
| 08:22.19 | tekkub | contacts are trying to tell me it's bedtime |
| 08:22.24 | msou| | I somewhat wish I have a warrior |
| 08:22.41 | Xinhuan | if you are unsure what you should be using, just armory some of the top players in top guilds |
| 08:22.42 | msou| | have a paladin at lvl 55 and priest 22 |
| 08:22.49 | Xinhuan | then visit elitistjerks forums |
| 08:23.02 | Xinhuan | to find out the reasoning |
| 08:23.07 | msou| | Xinhuan: I did yesterday and copied one of the dk tank talet tree |
| 08:23.37 | msou| | he didnot have that dodge thingie from unholy tree and the ret of the players were "i will not go any further.." |
| 08:23.59 | msou| | let me grab his name |
| 08:24.39 | msou| | did you see my stats/items by the way? =) |
| 08:28.41 | Wobin | all DK tanks must have 5/5/5 |
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| 08:28.48 | Wobin | without question |
| 08:29.14 | Wobin | Blade Barrier/Toughness/Anticipation |
| 08:29.24 | Wobin | Go two handed tanking |
| 08:29.44 | Wobin | dual wielding leads to parry rape without ridiculous amounts of expertise |
| 08:29.57 | msou| | oh yeah I have the first two not antici but yeah I get your point |
| 08:29.57 | Wobin | and you'll struggle enough on defense to spec for that |
| 08:30.06 | Wobin | go, respec |
| 08:30.07 | Wobin | and get it |
| 08:30.16 | msou| | will do |
| 08:30.18 | Wobin | that's 5% dodge, right there |
| 08:30.24 | msou| | yeah |
| 08:30.33 | Wobin | Use rune of the gargoyle to make up in defense |
| 08:30.35 | msou| | plus the trinket I can buy from dalaran |
| 08:31.05 | Wobin | there are no tanking DK weapons that have defense on them really. |
| 08:31.12 | Wobin | since we depend on runes for that |
| 08:31.20 | msou| | I see |
| 08:31.27 | Wobin | you want a 2H weapon with strength on it |
| 08:31.33 | Wobin | as that'll add to parry |
| 08:31.40 | msou| | sin'dorei is the best for that |
| 08:31.56 | krka | awesome http://www.flickr.com/photos/macchiato1/3534790964/sizes/l/ |
| 08:32.28 | Wobin | yeah, that's good |
| 08:32.35 | Wobin | another one is the crafted titansteel 2H mace |
| 08:33.14 | Sixen | ~seen scythebladeone |
| 08:33.46 | purl | Sixen: i haven't seen 'scythebladeone' |
| 08:33.46 | Wobin | krka: that's what -she- said! |
| 08:33.46 | Sixen | ~seen scytheblade1 |
| 08:33.47 | purl | scytheblade1 is currently on #utah (3d 3h 19m 35s) #wowuidev (3d 3h 19m 35s) ##pxe (3d 3h 19m 35s). Has said a total of 916 messages. Is idling for 1h 39m 33s, last said: 'lol, dvorak'. |
| 08:33.47 | Sixen | qq. where's purl |
| 08:33.47 | Sixen | ~lastseen scytheblade1 |
| 08:33.47 | msou| | Wobin: hmmm I thought that mace is slightly better than the sword |
| 08:34.16 | Wobin | poor purl is run off her feet |
| 08:34.29 | Sixen | hehe |
| 08:34.33 | Sixen | She's tired. Long day. |
| 08:34.39 | TC-Away | #utah? |
| 08:34.56 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 08:34.56 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that ScytheBlade1 is stuck to the floor |
| 08:35.29 | msou| | Wobin: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Magtheridon&cn=Clozern&gn=Ensidia |
| 08:35.40 | msou| | I think from the top eu guild |
| 08:35.49 | Wobin | You probably don't want to use Ensidia |
| 08:35.55 | mikma | http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/544971/36c89824/mama_cancelt_wow_account.html |
| 08:35.58 | msou| | only thing he misses two handed wep specialization |
| 08:35.59 | Wobin | as they most likely have gear that you will never -ever- get =P |
| 08:36.06 | msou| | hahah |
| 08:36.12 | Thunder_Child | we have someone from ensidia applying to our guild on an alt for no reason |
| 08:36.22 | Wobin | yes, Scent of Blood is better as a tank |
| 08:36.26 | Wobin | because you're not there to deal damage |
| 08:36.27 | msou| | Thunder_Child: you play on EU? |
| 08:36.33 | Thunder_Child | msou|, nope, US |
| 08:36.49 | msou| | thought ensidia = eu guild |
| 08:36.54 | Thunder_Child | it is |
| 08:37.05 | msou| | one had us acc got it =) |
| 08:37.10 | msou| | have |
| 08:37.14 | Thunder_Child | i guess so |
| 08:37.21 | Thunder_Child | seems odd but w/e |
| 08:37.21 | msou| | Wobin: I will go for that talent tree :P |
| 08:38.35 | Wobin | hm, no Deathchill? |
| 08:38.37 | Wobin | that's interesting |
| 08:38.53 | Wobin | and Hungering Cold |
| 08:39.08 | Wobin | I use deathchill too much to want to not have that talent |
| 08:39.23 | Wobin | far too good for building up frontloaded threat |
| 08:39.51 | msou| | hmmm |
| 08:40.39 | Wobin | Hungering Cold has been too much of a pvp talent for me |
| 08:40.44 | msou| | another one |
| 08:40.47 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Magtheridon&cn=Fenita&gn=Ensidia |
| 08:40.49 | msou| | same guild |
| 08:41.40 | Wobin | that's not a tanking build |
| 08:41.47 | Wobin | That's a frost dps build |
| 08:42.11 | msou| | hmm |
| 08:42.16 | Wobin | or a pvp build |
| 08:42.23 | Wobin | with Endless Winter |
| 08:42.25 | msou| | thought frost = tanks |
| 08:42.28 | Wobin | nope |
| 08:42.34 | Wobin | any tree can tank |
| 08:42.35 | msou| | want to go dps unholy all the way |
| 08:42.39 | msou| | hmm |
| 08:42.45 | Wobin | any tree can dps |
| 08:42.57 | Wobin | the tanking talents are pretty obvious in frost |
| 08:43.05 | Wobin | frigid deathplate, etc |
| 08:43.07 | Xinhuan | its just that frost tanks happen to be "better" |
| 08:43.13 | Xinhuan | in that it can generate more threat |
| 08:43.16 | msou| | right |
| 08:43.31 | Wobin | well, we'll see after patch =P |
| 08:43.55 | msou| | hehe |
| 08:43.57 | msou| | I heard |
| 08:44.14 | msou| | dks will have the possibility to double wiled or dual wield whatever it is |
| 08:44.23 | Wobin | dual wield |
| 08:44.31 | msou| | yeah |
| 08:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | they always could dual wield |
| 08:44.37 | Wobin | they always could |
| 08:44.37 | msou| | DKs? |
| 08:44.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 08:44.45 | Wobin | it just may be more effective after the patch |
| 08:44.52 | msou| | ohhh |
| 08:44.53 | Wobin | inbuilt, we can DW |
| 08:44.59 | NightHawkTheSane | for a period of time a while ago, DW frost was very powerful |
| 08:45.05 | msou| | do I have to learn it or it is there |
| 08:45.14 | msou| | interesting |
| 08:45.31 | Wobin | if you've read and understood the EJ DK forum, you're on your way |
| 08:46.20 | msou| | to be truthful I didn't read EJ |
| 08:46.47 | Wobin | Go do that |
| 08:46.54 | Wobin | There's a lot of information, but it's well worth it |
| 08:47.22 | End | they like math |
| 08:47.25 | msou| | will read it at least to understand the tanking stuff and macros |
| 08:47.37 | NightHawkTheSane | End: well, who doesn't? :P |
| 08:47.42 | End | math haters |
| 08:47.50 | End | math haters hate math! |
| 08:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | okay who doesn't that actually matter? |
| 08:48.27 | End | but math is good, since it means it's not some sort of random ass opinion..you can get a real answer on how something affects something else |
| 09:00.00 | smoke_ | is there anywa to make a statusbar transparent? |
| 09:00.28 | smoke_ | im trying to use SetStatusbarcolor(r, g, b, 0) and its not workiing |
| 09:01.37 | jnwhiteh | !api setstatusbarcolor |
| 09:01.37 | lua_bot | StatusBar:SetStatusBarColor: Sets the color of the status bar texture (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/StatusBar/SetStatusBarColor) |
| 09:01.48 | jnwhiteh | i dont' think it takes an a |
| 09:01.56 | jnwhiteh | just setalpha on the texture |
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| 09:02.47 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 09:03.43 | nevcairiel | wowwiki documents an alpha too |
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| 09:04.13 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
| 09:04.17 | jnwhiteh | that shoudl work then, in theory |
| 09:04.39 | jnwhiteh | it works |
| 09:04.43 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.47 | jnwhiteh | does precisely what you'd expecyt it to |
| 09:05.55 | smoke_ | well what im trying to do is "invert" my health statusbar colors in oUF |
| 09:06.05 | smoke_ | i tried several ways and im not getting any success with it |
| 09:06.07 | jnwhiteh | no idea what that means, but okay. |
| 09:06.13 | jnwhiteh | how does one invert a color? |
| 09:06.46 | krka | the easiest is to do (1 - r, 1 - g, 1 - b) |
| 09:07.30 | msou| | Wobin: isn't it crazy to think of that ring you can buy from dalaran that costs 6300G from the JC area? :p |
| 09:07.49 | Wobin | it's a money sink |
| 09:07.54 | End | does it really cost that much? |
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| 09:08.04 | msou| | yeah I think a bit more |
| 09:08.11 | End | interesting |
| 09:08.14 | msou| | that even teleports you to dalaran |
| 09:08.23 | End | I bought it, but it's been such a long time that I forgot how much it was |
| 09:08.30 | msou| | omw there to check the actual price and name so I can link it |
| 09:08.37 | msou| | aw |
| 09:08.40 | End | that sounds like more than I remember |
| 09:08.49 | msou| | well I do 25 dailies every day almost |
| 09:08.52 | End | but meh |
| 09:09.10 | End | Well, I've bought every mammoth (traveler, grand ice, etc), the hog, etc etc |
| 09:09.18 | msou| | nice |
| 09:09.20 | End | Xinhuan has more gold than me though |
| 09:09.23 | Wobin | it is |
| 09:09.27 | End | ask him for gold, not me |
| 09:09.30 | Wobin | 6800g |
| 09:09.31 | msou| | hehe |
| 09:09.36 | msou| | right |
| 09:09.38 | Wobin | 1000 for the upgrade |
| 09:09.45 | End | I bought the upgrade too |
| 09:09.50 | msou| | dunno if I should buy it or wait for naxx drop |
| 09:10.02 | End | the teleport alone is nice |
| 09:10.09 | msou| | indeed |
| 09:10.11 | Wobin | eh, if you have the cash, get it |
| 09:10.26 | msou| | I have |
| 09:10.32 | msou| | 6817 |
| 09:10.43 | Wobin | if you've nothing better to spend it on... then by all means =) |
| 09:10.53 | msou| | hehe |
| 09:10.54 | Wobin | you've got epic flying right? |
| 09:11.05 | msou| | oh yeah, before even I get the artisan |
| 09:11.08 | msou| | that bronze drake |
| 09:11.16 | msou| | and hoping on that UOP drake |
| 09:11.20 | msou| | the blue one |
| 09:11.27 | Wobin | I've never seen that drop =( |
| 09:11.39 | msou| | I've seen it 5, never got into my hands :( |
| 09:11.46 | msou| | very low when I checked |
| 09:12.09 | End | I haven't even been to utgarde pinnacle in months >_> |
| 09:12.16 | End | but I haven't seen it drop either |
| 09:12.38 | msou| | I try to do it atleast eveyday |
| 09:12.52 | msou| | UP and VH now for the legs "tanking gear" |
| 09:13.11 | jnwhiteh | its 6800g? |
| 09:13.12 | Wobin | bolstered legplates are great |
| 09:13.16 | jnwhiteh | its 8500 without the discount |
| 09:13.16 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: yes |
| 09:13.20 | jnwhiteh | so how do you get it down to 6800 |
| 09:13.22 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 09:13.24 | Wobin | kirin tor rep |
| 09:13.25 | msou| | jnwhiteh: omw to find out |
| 09:13.29 | krka | haggle! |
| 09:13.29 | msou| | rep |
| 09:13.34 | krka | "10 for that you must be mad" |
| 09:13.37 | Wobin | I'm exalted with KT, so I assume that's there |
| 09:13.37 | msou| | kirin-tor rep |
| 09:13.46 | jnwhiteh | yes.. i know how you get a faction discount |
| 09:13.54 | jnwhiteh | but 90% of 8500 isn't 6800 |
| 09:13.58 | jnwhiteh | so is it some other mechanic? |
| 09:14.00 | Wobin | shrugs |
| 09:14.06 | End | lua> 8500*.8 |
| 09:14.07 | lua_bot | End: 6800 |
| 09:14.10 | Wobin | It's what it's listed at, I've got nothin |
| 09:14.11 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 09:14.12 | jnwhiteh | 20% |
| 09:14.13 | End | exalted |
| 09:14.14 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:14.20 | End | honored is 10%, isn't it? |
| 09:14.25 | jnwhiteh | there's a second discount at exalted? |
| 09:14.27 | jnwhiteh | i wasn't aware of that |
| 09:14.29 | Wobin | yeah |
| 09:14.33 | End | every level gives it now |
| 09:14.35 | msou| | there is? |
| 09:14.35 | jnwhiteh | hence my asking :P |
| 09:14.36 | End | 5% per level |
| 09:14.37 | Wobin | they changed it a couple of patches ago I think |
| 09:14.37 | jnwhiteh | oh, really |
| 09:14.41 | End | so friendly is 5% |
| 09:14.43 | End | revered is 15% |
| 09:14.46 | jnwhiteh | now UI changes I know |
| 09:14.49 | jnwhiteh | damn game mechanism |
| 09:14.52 | jnwhiteh | i'll be damed |
| 09:14.54 | jnwhiteh | damned |
| 09:14.57 | End | hehe |
| 09:15.15 | jnwhiteh | not shared with HS cooldown, I asume? |
| 09:15.25 | End | yeah, different cooldowns |
| 09:15.36 | jnwhiteh | i'll pick mine up oson then :P |
| 09:15.40 | End | both are half hour, which kinda surprised me |
| 09:15.47 | msou| | ring of the kirin tor or |
| 09:15.48 | End | I didn't think they'd change the ring to match HS |
| 09:15.52 | msou| | band of the kirin tor? |
| 09:16.03 | End | the different rings share I'm sure |
| 09:16.14 | End | but they don't share with hearthstone |
| 09:16.19 | Wobin | msou|: ring |
| 09:16.21 | Wobin | it has strenght |
| 09:16.30 | durcyn | yeah, all eight rings trigger each others' cooldowns |
| 09:16.52 | msou| | Wobin: I'd have 17G if I buy it :P but yeah nothing else to burn my gold on |
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| 09:17.04 | Wobin | buy me epic flying =) |
| 09:17.09 | End | lol |
| 09:17.12 | msou| | hrm? so if you teleport yourself you cannot use the HS? |
| 09:17.21 | Wobin | no you can |
| 09:17.26 | Wobin | they -don't- share a cooldown |
| 09:17.34 | Wobin | the rings share a cooldown between themselves |
| 09:17.39 | msou| | oh great, pojn tless if you cannot |
| 09:17.43 | msou| | right |
| 09:17.47 | End | well |
| 09:17.52 | End | it technically wouldn't be pointless |
| 09:17.56 | End | ring always points to dalaran |
| 09:18.06 | End | it just would be nearly pointless :P |
| 09:18.11 | Wobin | it'd be less useful though =P |
| 09:18.14 | msou| | hahah |
| 09:18.15 | Wobin | much like the ruby slippers =P |
| 09:18.20 | End | well |
| 09:18.27 | End | ruby always matched hearthstone, didn't they? |
| 09:18.32 | End | oh wait |
| 09:18.34 | Wobin | and shared a cooldown |
| 09:18.39 | End | they didn't share cooldown initially? |
| 09:18.43 | Wobin | not initially |
| 09:18.46 | End | ahhhh |
| 09:18.52 | End | I forgot about that! |
| 09:18.56 | End | poor ruby slippers |
| 09:19.00 | Wobin | agrees |
| 09:19.28 | msou| | yay an achievement too :P |
| 09:19.46 | End-Sleep | sleepies! |
| 09:19.52 | msou| | Sleep tight mate |
| 09:19.57 | Wobin | [msou|] has earned the achievement [There's A Hole In My Wallet!] |
| 09:20.30 | msou| | hahahahaha |
| 09:20.40 | msou| | omw to do 6 dailies now :P |
| 09:21.25 | msou| | exalted with all wrath factions |
| 09:21.33 | msou| | and I still do the hodir dailies |
| 09:21.44 | msou| | tournajment and hrm few others in icecrown |
| 09:22.07 | Kalroth | Wobin: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=5368 |
| 09:22.18 | msou| | my hit rating dropped to 357 |
| 09:22.29 | msou| | 353 sorry |
| 09:22.46 | Kalroth | 22.37% hit, that's pleeenty! |
| 09:23.35 | msou| | used to be 37x :P I bought that pvp back and gave up some hit rating and the ring now |
| 09:23.39 | msou| | was close to 400 |
| 09:23.53 | msou| | I have full tier7 set but that legs from UK I think is imba |
| 09:24.02 | msou| | staggering legplants |
| 09:24.07 | Wobin | you realise, past the cap, hit rating is pointless? |
| 09:24.10 | msou| | plates even |
| 09:24.25 | msou| | aw,, what's dks hit cap 300? |
| 09:24.36 | Wobin | melee hitcap is 8% |
| 09:24.41 | Wobin | spell hitcap is 17 |
| 09:24.53 | Wobin | (unless you have the unholy talents, then 14) |
| 09:25.31 | msou| | spell under crit chance 15.77% |
| 09:25.33 | Fisker | i'm hitting on your mom |
| 09:25.34 | msou| | unholy |
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| 09:29.04 | Wobin | Fisker: you keep missing |
| 09:31.50 | Wobin | msou|: You probably -really- -really- want to start stacking defense |
| 09:31.56 | Wobin | til you hit the 540 soft cap |
| 09:31.59 | Wobin | if you want to tank at all |
| 09:32.15 | Wobin | cause no healer is going to want to heal a tank that isn't crit immune |
| 09:32.47 | Wobin | unless that is your dps gear on the armoury |
| 09:33.28 | msou| | I see, well to be honest it won't happen any time soon... atm I do heroics to get the gear for it I have pretty decent gear and will buy the neck/trinket/belt/glove and vest from dalaran's vendor |
| 09:33.38 | msou| | oh yeah it is DPS gear definitely |
| 09:33.43 | Wobin | good |
| 09:33.47 | Wobin | don't tank in it =P |
| 09:33.52 | msou| | hahah |
| 09:33.57 | msou| | let me check the names and tell you sec |
| 09:34.01 | Fisker | but i'm hitcapped Wobin |
| 09:34.08 | Wobin | not for my mother you're not |
| 09:35.12 | msou| | legplates of the infinite drakonid, bracers of the herald "ep" horn tipped gauntlet ep, woeful band and nerubian rings |
| 09:35.44 | msou| | two epic items so far and I am doing Vh everyday after the legs and the rest are easy to get from the vendor have like |
| 09:35.47 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker. |
| 09:35.53 | msou| | 251 emblems to burn |
| 09:36.12 | msou| | haste: he cannot handle that even. :( a trout might hurt him |
| 09:36.13 | msou| | :P |
| 09:36.29 | Wobin | The bolstered legplates are probably better to try for |
| 09:36.36 | Wobin | until you're well past the defense cap |
| 09:36.41 | msou| | the one from oculus? |
| 09:36.42 | msou| | sec |
| 09:36.51 | Wobin | nah, that's from VH |
| 09:36.55 | Wobin | Cygnosia I think |
| 09:36.56 | msou| | ohh yeah |
| 09:37.02 | msou| | I am after that |
| 09:37.19 | Wobin | they're epic too =) |
| 09:37.28 | Fisker | vælter haste |
| 09:37.39 | Wobin | get a room, you two |
| 09:38.35 | msou| | hehehe |
| 09:38.45 | msou| | lol |
| 09:38.49 | msou| | guess what |
| 09:38.55 | msou| | you know that daily shoot 'em up? |
| 09:39.21 | msou| | I want to switch windows to the terminal and I hit accidentally and walked... died fell down :( |
| 09:40.34 | msou| | pain to have plate armor as your repair starts from 7 I think |
| 09:42.12 | Fisker | ownt haste |
| 09:42.13 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/article1185343.ece |
| 09:42.40 | msou| | by the way very noobie question... if you do naxx today 10 can you still do 25 tomorrow or you're still saved |
| 09:43.09 | zenzio | you can do both |
| 09:43.16 | zenzio | they're individual lockouts |
| 09:43.36 | msou| | Ah thanks |
| 09:44.21 | msou| | Haven't completed naxx hc just two quarters and they couldn't complete thadius as tek and NightHawkTheSane puts it a retards check |
| 09:46.26 | msou| | thadius the boss were two adds have to get killed at the same time right? |
| 09:46.37 | Fisker | <-skills that kills |
| 09:46.39 | msou| | I don't follow names just KT and demise is it that dragon and gluth |
| 09:46.53 | Fisker | got in and back out of ironforge without dying |
| 09:47.17 | msou| | got the black bear from the first try :P placed 4rth back then |
| 09:47.50 | msou| | only sword that looked even nicer than mine is armageddon :( |
| 09:48.03 | msou| | but meh, gimme either death's bite or abaddon! |
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| 09:53.53 | mikma | does icecrown have bonfires? |
| 09:54.48 | Fisker | not that i'm aware of |
| 10:05.23 | msou| | bbiab |
| 10:05.40 | Fisker | man that was awesome skills |
| 10:05.49 | Fisker | a group of alliance saw me headed for the fire |
| 10:06.04 | Fisker | so they chased me down into the stockades after i took the flame |
| 10:06.49 | Fisker | But they were waiting for me out front, so i just tried to do the old HS trick and i got ported to the graveyard instead :D |
| 10:08.14 | Zyndrome | if they were somewhat smart, they'd wait there :p |
| 10:10.11 | Fisker | :P |
| 10:10.17 | Fisker | not like they could get there in time :D |
| 10:12.53 | mikma | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/3642661392_893103fda0_o.jpg |
| 10:13.30 | Fisker | lol |
| 10:34.25 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 11:33.45 | Legorol | who else thinks that the way Blizz fixed the midsummer flame bug (that people weren't able to recomplete flame quests who have done some last year) is going to cause some outrage? |
| 11:34.12 | _rane | = reset all quests? |
| 11:34.12 | Legorol | the fix is to reset all the flame quests, resulting in A) those who were progressing part-way through the achievements have to start all over, and |
| 11:34.19 | Elkano | resetting achivments in progress? |
| 11:34.30 | Legorol | B) those people who have done tons of flames already get to do it again and get enough blossoms to buy everything |
| 11:34.34 | Legorol | yes Elkano |
| 11:34.39 | Legorol | that's not the biggest issue though |
| 11:34.45 | Legorol | because it's only been two days since it started |
| 11:34.49 | Legorol | still plenty time to complete it |
| 11:34.54 | Elkano | well, as long as they keep the completed ones... |
| 11:34.59 | Legorol | yes they do |
| 11:35.01 | Legorol | but |
| 11:35.15 | Legorol | the biggest problem is this: if you are just starting out and have done only a few flames so far, you are not going to have enough blossoms to buy every reward |
| 11:35.27 | Legorol | whereas if you have done loads already, you will now be able to collect enough to buy everything |
| 11:35.28 | Elkano | well, that's true |
| 11:35.46 | Legorol | i have already gotten flame warden, yet i get to redo every single flame again |
| 11:36.01 | Legorol | that's an extra 600+ blossoms |
| 11:36.17 | Fisker | Legorol |
| 11:36.20 | Legorol | not to mention tons of gold |
| 11:36.27 | Fisker | C) They apparently also reset all of the other events quests |
| 11:36.42 | Fisker | so people are whining about progress in the achievement about doing x quests |
| 11:37.21 | Legorol | what other events quests? |
| 11:37.32 | Legorol | you mean quests related to midsummer event? |
| 11:37.33 | Fisker | EVERY EVENTS |
| 11:37.51 | Legorol | i can't think of many events where you have to complete X quests as an achi |
| 11:37.54 | Legorol | can you name one? |
| 11:38.34 | Legorol | oh, these quest count towards the X quests achi? |
| 11:38.40 | Fisker | yes |
| 11:38.40 | Legorol | i thought that seasonal quests didn't count for those |
| 11:38.42 | Legorol | aha |
| 11:38.55 | Fisker | I doubt they're intended to either |
| 11:39.03 | Legorol | now i see the problem, somewhat |
| 11:39.10 | Legorol | having said that, you are only meant to be able to do these quests once a year |
| 11:39.25 | Legorol | so for example resetting Lunar elder quests now won't have much effect |
| 11:39.34 | Legorol | the problem is midsummer, where some of us get to do them twice |
| 11:39.53 | Fisker | Just ran my second run :P |
| 11:40.58 | Legorol | i'm going around again :) |
| 11:41.00 | Legorol | it's great gold |
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| 12:19.27 | Aelobin | whats the outbound limit on /w ? |
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| 12:27.44 | Mikk | same as everything else |
| 12:27.56 | Mikk | but you can't whisper too many new targets per time unit |
| 12:28.00 | Mikk | (that limit i do not know) |
| 12:29.07 | Mikk | in the initial wording, they talked about "unsolicited" whispers though, so i'm assuming you can respond to as many as you like without worrying |
| 12:29.13 | Mikk | for raw data limits, use ChatThrottleLib |
| 12:29.35 | Mikk | (no, do NOT implement your own throttle. that's wrong in umpteen ways. you don't know about other addons, and they don't know about you.) |
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| 12:30.15 | Mikk | also, addon message "whispers" don't have the target/sec choke. |
| 12:40.56 | Mikk | Aelobin: ping ^ |
| 12:41.06 | Aelobin | sec in wsg :P |
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| 13:05.50 | mikma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster |
| 13:07.06 | Aelobin | ty Mikk |
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| 13:35.15 | luc2 | helloooooooooooo |
| 13:36.02 | luc2 | which event catches a guildmate has connected ? |
| 13:36.03 | jnwhiteh | hi? |
| 13:36.13 | jnwhiteh | !api GUILD_ROSTER |
| 13:36.13 | lua_bot | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE: Fires when an update is available to the guild roster. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE) |
| 13:36.15 | jnwhiteh | i suspect. |
| 13:36.27 | jnwhiteh | !api GUILD_ |
| 13:36.27 | lua_bot | Found 10 possible results for 'GUILD_': GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE, GUILD_MOTD, CALENDAR_GUILD_RANKS, GUILD_INVITE_REQUEST, PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE, GUILD_REGISTRAR_SHOW, GUILD_REGISTRAR_CLOSED, GUILD_INVITE_CANCEL, GUILD_EVENT_LOG_UPDATE, CHAT_MSG_GUILD_ACHIEVEMENT |
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| 13:47.12 | dardack | can someone help me http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116561 the last line there, wow states that attempt to index field petrandompetlist (a nil value) |
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| 13:51.41 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
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| 13:52.50 | VonhintenHOME` | dardack, # doesn't work on tables with non-integer indexes |
| 13:52.59 | dardack | yea it does |
| 13:53.06 | dardack | i use it in my mount addon |
| 13:53.25 | krka | it works, but always returns 0 |
| 13:53.31 | dardack | no it doesn't |
| 13:53.52 | dardack | #MountRandomMount_SavedTable.randommountlist["Flying"] this in my mount addon retrusn how many mounts are in the list |
| 13:54.04 | krka | really.. you can create a lua table without any integer indices with #t ~= 0 |
| 13:54.43 | krka | lua> t = {} t.a = 1; t.b = 2; t.c = 3; return #t |
| 13:54.43 | lua_bot | krka: 0 |
| 13:56.18 | dardack | oh well i do use integer, i'm not testing the # against MRM_ST.list but MRM_ST.list["flying"] |
| 13:56.42 | dardack | lua> t={}; t["test"]={}; t["test"][1] = 1; #t |
| 13:56.42 | lua_bot | dardack: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 13:56.51 | dardack | lua> t={}; t["test"]={}; t["test"][1] = 1; return #t |
| 13:56.51 | lua_bot | dardack: 0 |
| 13:56.58 | dardack | i don't know it works |
| 13:57.10 | dardack | lua> t={}; t["test"]={}; t["test"][1] = 1; return #t["test"] |
| 13:57.10 | lua_bot | dardack: 1 |
| 13:57.12 | dardack | there |
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| 13:58.18 | dardack | so that's what i'm doing |
| 13:58.25 | VonhintenHOME` | lua> t={}; t[1] = 1; t[2] = 2; t["boobies"]="mmm"; return #t |
| 13:58.25 | lua_bot | VonhintenHOME`: 2 |
| 13:59.00 | dardack | and never mind, i guess i had misspelled list as ist somewhere and it got saved in the saved variables as ist each time i logged in |
| 13:59.10 | dardack | so i just deleted the saved variables file and it works nwo |
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| 14:07.08 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/awkwardnessfinal.png |
| 14:07.09 | Adys | priceless |
| 14:09.44 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/128058955 |
| 14:09.53 | kneeki | WOOT OFFF!!!! |
| 14:12.47 | Wobin | http://fukung.net/v/14519/542da7f64fc48504241bf012390cdff9.gif |
| 14:13.31 | VonhintenHOME` | owned! |
| 14:13.39 | VonhintenHOME` | damn turtle snapped its neck |
| 14:13.45 | |Paradox| | happy turtle |
| 14:13.57 | VonhintenHOME` | I didn't know they ate animals |
| 14:14.12 | |Paradox| | they are reptiles |
| 14:14.22 | Wobin | I'm pretty sure they're omnivorous |
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| 14:15.59 | dardack | is there an API to tell if a non combat pet is currently summoned? |
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| 14:29.38 | nicoli_s | man, i may be a little biased, but wowhead's profile could def use some work |
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| 14:32.35 | jnwhiteh | !api Companion |
| 14:32.35 | lua_bot | Found 8 possible results for 'Companion': DismissCompanion, CallCompanion, GetNumCompanions, COMPANION_LEARNED, GetCompanionInfo, COMPANION_UPDATE, PickupCompanion, GetCompanionCooldown |
| 14:32.45 | jnwhiteh | dardack: don't think so no =/ |
| 14:33.20 | dardack | yea what i did was instead of calling random in the companion call, i set a local to the random and used GetCompanionInfo on that random #, and if summoned do nothing |
| 14:35.22 | Adys | anyone using bzr? |
| 14:35.43 | Adys | nicoli_s: what do you mean? |
| 14:36.16 | Wobin | http://fukung.net/v/15334/c1b1ed85dab2f4c94dc3387d91e929ca.gif |
| 14:36.19 | Wobin | as mean as it is |
| 14:36.24 | jnwhiteh | Adys: no, but i've used it once or twice in the past |
| 14:36.25 | jnwhiteh | whats up? |
| 14:36.25 | Wobin | I cannot but laugh at this |
| 14:36.42 | Adys | jnwhiteh: I want to checkout only a subdirectory of a branch |
| 14:36.49 | Adys | and every time i update it it only updates that dir |
| 14:36.52 | jnwhiteh | no idea how to do that :P |
| 14:36.56 | jnwhiteh | not even sure its possible. |
| 14:37.06 | Adys | bah :( |
| 14:37.08 | Adys | not a big deal |
| 14:38.27 | Guest80475 | bzr isn't able to check out a subdirectory? Personally, I don't think a VCS should have any knowledge of where the root is |
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| 14:38.50 | jnwhiteh | yeah same with most of the dscms |
| 14:39.07 | jnwhiteh | as far as I am aware |
| 14:39.21 | jnwhiteh | the whole point of a dscm if that you have a full copy of a repository |
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| 14:56.19 | Wobin | http://fukung.net/v/16190/police_bite.jpg |
| 14:56.20 | luc2 | !api CONNECT |
| 14:56.20 | lua_bot | UnitIsConnected: Returns whether a unit is connected (i.e. not Offline) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitIsConnected) |
| 14:56.33 | luc2 | !api ONLINE |
| 14:56.34 | lua_bot | GetGuildRosterLastOnline: Returns the amount of time since a guild member was last online (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGuildRosterLastOnline) |
| 14:58.31 | Adys | . |
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| 15:00.01 | Adys | http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/?p=2866 |
| 15:00.40 | Adys | some nice comeback |
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| 15:21.37 | Wobin | also: http://fukung.net/v/136/ky.jpg |
| 15:23.14 | Guest20317 | In 3.2 Druids will be able to see their Energy/Rage bar and Mana bar ... Is there a change to UnitMana and UnitManaMax to support this ? |
| 15:23.37 | nevcairiel | UnitPower already supports this. |
| 15:23.47 | nevcairiel | in 3.2 the default UI will just display it. |
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| 15:27.31 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/10310/godmademe.jpg |
| 15:27.44 | |Paradox| | nice one |
| 15:28.25 | |Paradox| | I just might make that my sig for when idiots who have my email address (even family) send me stupid propaganda |
| 15:28.45 | nevcairiel | church propaganda? =P |
| 15:28.51 | Wobin | and http://fukung.net/v/5736/%5Bbig%5D%20fainting%20goats%20are%20awesome.gif |
| 15:29.13 | nevcairiel | rofl Wobin |
| 15:29.52 | |Paradox| | yeah, just last night, I received one from my son's Team Mom in Baseball about stopping the Matthew Sheppard Bill because it will outlaw Christian free speech, (oh noes!) |
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| 15:30.16 | |Paradox| | Christians should be free to beat the shit out of gays! |
| 15:30.41 | nevcairiel | free speech is always good, no matter how and where |
| 15:30.41 | squidbear | Is there a function to get a player's name (including their title)? |
| 15:30.47 | |Paradox| | I sent her a nice little reply, you betcha |
| 15:31.11 | |Paradox| | but, anyway, I digress |
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| 15:32.54 | Wobin | http://fukung.net/v/3853/parisbynight.jpg is pretty awesome |
| 15:33.32 | |Paradox| | is that guy nekkid? |
| 15:33.44 | Pneumatus | squidbear: UnitPVPName() perhaps |
| 15:34.13 | squidbear | Pneumatus, you're amazing. Thank you :) |
| 15:36.34 | VonhintenHOME` | I can never find the hidden whatever in those mindfuck pictures |
| 15:39.46 | cog|work | |Paradox|: mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtGSS6W-C6o |
| 15:40.41 | |Paradox| | Those fainting goats, by the way, for anyone who may not know, have a genetic defect that makes them faint when startled. :) |
| 15:40.54 | Wobin | yay puppy: http://fukung.net/v/16195/d966fe8a869abb58298ab734d1643cdc.jpg |
| 15:41.55 | Wobin | also oh god creepy: http://fukung.net/v/7984/k3wqjk.jpg |
| 15:42.23 | cog|work | covers his privates |
| 15:42.31 | Fisker | touches them |
| 15:42.40 | cog|work | ~whaleshield Fisker |
| 15:42.45 | Fisker | and if you tell chris hansen where on the bear i touched them i'll kill you |
| 15:42.52 | cog|work | purl: hello |
| 15:42.52 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 15:43.01 | cog|work | ~whalenuke Fisker |
| 15:43.06 | cog|work | :'( |
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| 15:43.28 | Fisker | someone fucked purl |
| 15:43.31 | Fisker | and now he's here to fuck us |
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| 15:48.37 | squidbear | Hmm...what would be the best way of inserting a line directly after the first in the GameTooltip? |
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| 15:50.15 | dardack | |Paradox|: should point out the bill doesn't actually muzzle free speech: However, HR 1592 contains a "Rule of Construction" which specifically provides that "Nothing in this Act...shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution. (wiki) |
| 15:52.01 | |Paradox| | exactly, it was just more hatemongering by the good loving xtians |
| 15:52.14 | |Paradox| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxsGyljd6B0 |
| 15:53.34 | dardack | i'm a christian, i don't think all of us should be lumped together, but yes many do hatemonger, but i try to follow the rule love your neighbor as yourself, i may not agree with your choices, but it's not my place to judge, anyways not a religios forum was just pointing out |
| 15:56.16 | nicoli_s | applauds dardack |
| 15:56.19 | |Paradox| | I can respect people who are xtians and don't push it, or hate people because of it, and all, except for the utter hypocrisy involved. |
| 15:56.49 | |Paradox| | who are you to go against your god's commands? |
| 15:57.51 | dardack | the 2 greatest commandments love God with all your heart mind body soul and love thy neighbor as yourself, but again i'm not going to get into a debate here about it, I don't believe God commands me to hate or judge |
| 15:58.00 | cog|work | if this were in person i'd be the first to jump into the convo, but i don't think this is the place |
| 15:58.09 | dardack | i know |
| 15:58.24 | |Paradox| | joins #the_place and waits |
| 15:58.30 | cog|work | restrains himself |
| 16:00.10 | durcyn | so, who had ed mcmahon in their deadpool? |
| 16:00.19 | dardack | heh |
| 16:01.16 | |Paradox| | did he finally kick off? |
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| 16:01.42 | cog|work | well now who's going to give me my $10million? |
| 16:01.46 | |Paradox| | I deliver the newspaper, but, that doesn't mean i read it. |
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| 16:02.42 | cog|work | wonders if other MMO usage spikes during wow's maintanence |
| 16:03.28 | Lunessa | Web-use in general does. |
| 16:03.36 | Lunessa | Oh, Station. |
| 16:03.52 | nicoli_s | all our curse sites get big spikes when wow goes down |
| 16:07.38 | squidbear | is this valid in lua? local name = UnitPVPName(unit) or UnitName(unit); |
| 16:09.36 | durcyn | yes, that's valid syntax, but you better be sure UnitPVPName returns nil when you expect it to |
| 16:10.15 | squidbear | It was returning nil on Party unit frames |
| 16:12.40 | Pneumatus | UnitPVPName(unit) just returns a char name when they have no title |
| 16:14.37 | durcyn | UnitPVPName's slouching towards obsolescence though, why do you care about irrelevant years-old ranks? |
| 16:14.38 | durcyn | or does it just show the current title now |
| 16:14.38 | squidbear | Shows any title |
| 16:14.38 | squidbear | + name |
| 16:14.40 | Lunessa | Wooo - http://detroit.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/de062209.htm |
| 16:14.41 | squidbear | Pneumatus, yeah that's what I thought but apparently its bugged on the party unit frames? :S |
| 16:14.51 | durcyn | you're not calling the function on the party frames themselves, you're calling it on party units, it'll behave the same way regardless of what the frames are doing |
| 16:15.01 | durcyn | try setting your own title to none and calling it on player |
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| 16:17.44 | ZorbaTHut | bad ideas: trying to gank someone inside a minefield |
| 16:18.16 | squidbear | Well it works on "player" |
| 16:18.21 | squidbear | So...that's odd |
| 16:18.35 | Fisker | cuts ZorbaTHut |
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| 16:19.04 | mikma | cog|work: interesting picture, cross-strapon |
| 16:19.21 | cog|work | lol |
| 16:19.27 | squidbear | Yeah, I keep getting name = nil on some player units :S |
| 16:20.18 | squidbear | It seems to be when not all the data for the player has been loaded (like if the player is far away in a bg) |
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| 16:50.25 | Cidan | Ed McMahon died, D: |
| 16:51.36 | alestane | Who will mail people letters saying they may already have won $10,000,000 now? |
| 16:52.37 | durcyn | squidbear: i wouldn't expect that function to work on any oor unit, party or otherwise |
| 16:53.04 | squidbear | durcyn, what do you mean? |
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| 16:57.04 | erikd | err |
| 16:59.00 | Bruners | p3lim: superpoke |
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| 17:00.49 | cog|work | pinches krka 28 times |
| 17:03.14 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:05.50 | Lunessa | alestane: Publisher's Clearing House will hire someone else. But Star Search will never come back now. :( |
| 17:09.08 | p3lim | bruners: PM is awesome |
| 17:09.27 | Bruners | p3lim: highlight + public is better |
| 17:09.33 | Aqua | my guess PCH will hire mario lopez |
| 17:09.35 | p3lim | not with my client |
| 17:09.44 | Bruners | now i have forgotten what i was going to ask you |
| 17:09.50 | Bruners | p3lim: what client? |
| 17:09.55 | p3lim | miranda |
| 17:10.10 | Bruners | iirc it has highlight |
| 17:10.17 | p3lim | not with notifications |
| 17:10.21 | Bruners | and blinking/sound |
| 17:10.39 | p3lim | not for irc, just for IM |
| 17:12.11 | Bruners | p3lim: you have some cool stuff i can do with oUF_RuneBars? |
| 17:12.34 | p3lim | what cool stuff? |
| 17:12.50 | ZorbaTHut | sigh. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11112&sid=1 <-- notice a theme in the top half of threads |
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| 17:13.32 | VonhintenHOME` | retaliation? |
| 17:13.34 | Bruners | p3lim: your not hip enough to now whats cool ? :P |
| 17:13.48 | p3lim | whats cool? |
| 17:13.50 | Bruners | p3lim: timers |
| 17:13.59 | p3lim | It supports statusbar and text |
| 17:14.13 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: I can login! Why are things down on maintenance day? WHY GOD? WHYYYYYY? |
| 17:14.13 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, yup. |
| 17:14.25 | ZorbaTHut | third week in a row it's melted down on Tuesday, although most of the time it's tuesday primtime |
| 17:14.29 | ZorbaTHut | *primetime |
| 17:14.34 | Bruners | top to bottom fill on vertical bars |
| 17:14.34 | VonhintenHOME` | high pop? |
| 17:14.36 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, it's not a normal maintenance downtime, it's a crash |
| 17:14.52 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, god no. terrible pop. half of the battleground was Recommended for a while |
| 17:15.06 | ZorbaTHut | I saw my first queue about a month ago :P |
| 17:15.11 | Bruners | p3lim: so it supports both ? |
| 17:15.14 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Which to me, says "they should have take things down or normal maintenance." |
| 17:15.22 | Bruners | p3lim: thought it was one or the other |
| 17:15.34 | p3lim | either yeah |
| 17:15.40 | p3lim | not both at same time |
| 17:15.45 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, they obviously need to fix *something*, but they haven't. it just randomly crashes :/ |
| 17:15.52 | Bruners | p3lim: but that is what i wnat :( |
| 17:16.04 | p3lim | if you want to add timers to the bars you can just hook the update function, there is a PostHook function in the plugin |
| 17:18.14 | Bruners | p3lim: http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_062309_191551.jpg my current setup |
| 17:20.32 | VonhintenHOME` | oh god, that city needs a major graphics upgrade |
| 17:21.14 | Lunessa | Pretty much all of Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms does. |
| 17:21.38 | VonhintenHOME` | sw and if don't make my eyes bleed like that pic does |
| 17:22.18 | End-Sleep | I'm of the opinion Orgrimmar was somewhat hastily put together |
| 17:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart TC-Away |
| 17:24.49 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at TC-Away |
| 17:29.49 | _rane | so I leveled my last char using questhelper, should I try tourguide or something else this time? |
| 17:33.56 | Kirov | why not questhelper? |
| 17:34.24 | krka | cog|work? |
| 17:34.40 | cog|work | facebook says it's your bday |
| 17:34.42 | _rane | no specific reason, but I've heard good things about tourguide and once I disabled questhelper I think I got fps boost :P |
| 17:34.48 | krka | facebook says a lot of things |
| 17:36.00 | Sixen | Cog! |
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| 17:36.33 | Sixen | kd3! |
| 17:36.42 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 17:36.43 | cog|work | o/ |
| 17:36.52 | Sixen | Hai guys, [= |
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| 17:38.24 | cog|work | hai2u |
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| 17:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: copypasta! |
| 17:39.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate this stinkin' lousy copypasta =[ |
| 17:39.35 | alestane | I could use some pasta. |
| 17:39.47 | End | pasta sounds good |
| 17:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That said I'll try it just the same, the only part I took offense to was the whole instructions for OSX despite me posting a dxdiag ;) |
| 17:40.31 | Sixen | :( |
| 17:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe just messing with you |
| 17:40.46 | Sixen | I always include that in the bottom of my pasta. |
| 17:40.47 | Sixen | :( |
| 17:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I figured |
| 17:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think it'll fix it, but you've been trolling that board long enough that I figure I might as well trust you ;) |
| 17:41.32 | kd3 | oh ho... the ptr's up |
| 17:41.38 | kd3 | yay for getting off work to a surprise, as usual |
| 17:41.51 | Sixen | PTR is up? |
| 17:41.51 | kd3 | grrs at his day job |
| 17:41.54 | kd3 | dunno |
| 17:41.56 | End | yes |
| 17:41.57 | Sixen | <3 sboi |
| 17:42.01 | End | but my download is still not authorized |
| 17:42.04 | ScytheBlade1 | sbo...i? |
| 17:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a new one |
| 17:42.06 | Sixen | Forums aren't up yet |
| 17:42.13 | End | hunts the web for old PTR patches. |
| 17:42.14 | Sixen | Yeah, the i indicates that you're special. |
| 17:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | special in the head? |
| 17:42.23 | Sixen | and that you're a male. |
| 17:42.26 | End | iSBO, new from apple |
| 17:42.29 | Sixen | as opposed to sbgirl |
| 17:42.31 | Sixen | sboi |
| 17:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh please no |
| 17:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart End |
| 17:42.36 | purl | gives End a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 17:42.50 | kd3 | or maybe not |
| 17:42.50 | End | :D |
| 17:42.53 | kd3 | rereads his inbox |
| 17:43.07 | End | your inbox has failed us again |
| 17:43.25 | End | although my inbox indicates when there's a new PTR build! |
| 17:43.28 | End | blames kd3 |
| 17:43.46 | Sixen | Heh yeah, that's how I usually know. |
| 17:43.49 | Sixen | I get the kd3 e-mail ;) |
| 17:43.53 | End | yup |
| 17:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 17:43.57 | Kirov | hmm, double free is still free |
| 17:44.07 | Sixen | Just twice as much, Kirov. |
| 17:44.14 | Sixen | That means you can't beg x2. |
| 17:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm told that not only is the PTR up |
| 17:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It is up with premades |
| 17:44.29 | Kirov | or you get twice as much free? |
| 17:44.43 | Sixen | o noez. |
| 17:44.49 | Sixen | LIEK OHEMGEE PERMADZ? |
| 17:44.57 | Sixen | HAO DU U MAEKA DA PREMRADADZ |
| 17:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Something pretty close to that, actually, yeah |
| 17:45.33 | Sixen | Heh. I remember why I miss the PTR Forums so much.. |
| 17:45.46 | Sixen | It makes me feel better about myself just reading some of the threads. |
| 17:45.52 | kd3 | and to think... the original reason I trolled them for year was because I lost a bet |
| 17:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:45.53 | kd3 | >.> |
| 17:46.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, what bet? |
| 17:46.03 | Sixen | orly? |
| 17:46.35 | kd3 | I don't remember what it originally was, we ended up deciding with a coin toss |
| 17:46.43 | Lunessa | PTR - has two classes of people - geeks like us who want to see the new code, and dweebs who want to stroke their e-peen 'cause they saw it all first. |
| 17:46.57 | kd3 | my side of the bet was a lot more fun, though... 'work our way through the kama sutra' |
| 17:47.00 | Sixen | lawl |
| 17:47.17 | Lunessa | kd3: At least you played for high stakes! |
| 17:47.20 | Sixen | I just remember posting in the Bug Forums every so often, I made my little archive sticky and stuff.. And you posted in the PTR Forums, and Duman posted in the Bug forums, so I had nowhere to go.. Then the TTR came out and I posted there~ |
| 17:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a heck of a bet to lose |
| 17:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I sense some bash.org incoming |
| 17:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | navigates to the 'add quote' section.. |
| 17:49.17 | kd3 | gah! they're still pointing to the 3.0.1 PTR client |
| 17:49.36 | kd3 | wonders how big the 0.0.1->0.2.0 patch is going to be |
| 17:49.59 | End | Did they do a 0.0.1 to 0.1.0? |
| 17:50.15 | Lunessa | Big - since it contains new terrain models, new player models/skins... |
| 17:50.30 | kd3 | yeah |
| 17:50.31 | Sixen | new player models/skins |
| 17:50.32 | Sixen | orly? |
| 17:50.42 | alestane | Druid forms. |
| 17:50.47 | Sixen | Oh right, right. |
| 17:50.57 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.13 | End | how the hell was that one so big? |
| 17:51.29 | kd3 | it was from wrath release (including all of the 3.0.x patches) plus all of the 3.1 data |
| 17:51.29 | alestane | Ulduar |
| 17:51.32 | kd3 | including... ulduar |
| 17:51.36 | End | would ulduar be 0.1.0? |
| 17:51.39 | kd3 | yes |
| 17:51.40 | End | wouldn't* |
| 17:51.51 | kd3 | er, the last ptr was testing 3.1.2 |
| 17:51.53 | End | oh, was that a 0.0.1 to 0.1.2? |
| 17:51.59 | kd3 | that was 0.0.1->0.1.2 |
| 17:52.09 | End | I get it now |
| 17:52.27 | kd3 | http://us.version.worldofwarcraft.com/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 17:52.35 | kd3 | ...still not updated |
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| 17:54.30 | kd3 | hey Bibi-, you around? you may want to post wryxian's comment about how copies made right now aren't guaranteed to show up on the ptr... |
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| 17:55.58 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 17:56.04 | kd3 | they found flight 447's black boxes |
| 17:56.22 | kd3 | or not |
| 17:56.24 | kd3 | grrs at fark |
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| 18:01.35 | Aqua | that black box is gone' |
| 18:01.41 | Aqua | they will never find it |
| 18:02.11 | zenzelezz | so... you're 18 and decide you want 56 stars tattooed on your face. When your father sees it and gets furious, you come up with a story about asking for three, and falling asleep while the tattoo artist adds 53 more to your face. You get your face plastered on websites all over the globe in days, before you have to admit that you did in fact ask for them |
| 18:02.17 | zenzelezz | has to be sort of embarrassing |
| 18:02.18 | Lunessa | encapsulates himself in a black box. |
| 18:02.26 | nevcairiel | Just mail them more screenshots from Lost, and they have something to post again |
| 18:03.18 | End | I've never gotten a tattoo, but wouldn't it be hard to fall asleep while getting one? |
| 18:03.26 | VonhintenHOME` | I saw those pictures.. stupid chick |
| 18:03.27 | zenzelezz | that's what everyone says |
| 18:03.30 | zenzelezz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/5603769/Girl-with-56-stars-tattooed-on-face-admits-she-asked-for-them.html |
| 18:04.14 | Aqua | hmmm, can i cast scroll of resurection on my second account... |
| 18:04.32 | End | probably, if all the usual restrictions apply |
| 18:04.40 | End | I don't think it cares who the owner is |
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| 18:05.11 | Aqua | i have a linked battle.net account |
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| 18:05.15 | Aqua | might not let me |
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| 18:19.11 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: that's pretty stupid. I can't recall being that stupid as a teenager |
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| 18:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | [Google] CEO Eric Schmidt asked him what the most efficient way would be to sort a million 32-bit integers. Obama smoothly responded âI think the bubble sort would be the wrong way to go.â |
| 18:22.35 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 18:22.43 | End | that was a while ago |
| 18:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah it was |
| 18:23.06 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter, bubble sort is still the wrong way to go! |
| 18:24.02 | End | I dunno, I heard bubble changed since then! |
| 18:24.20 | zenzelezz | now if you go with Bubble Bobble sort instead... |
| 18:24.37 | NeoTron | Mmmm. Bubble Bobble |
| 18:24.43 | NeoTron | great game |
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| 18:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 18:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/now-in-original-extra-bandwidth-flavor/2121 |
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| 18:36.49 | Nechckn | BTW... if anyone has a chance to see any re-runs or bootube of "The Dating Game" it is so much funnier, now. Especially since many contestants look like clowns, compared to the current fashions and all, it is great when they are trying to be all mack daddy/mommy |
| 18:37.53 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'd like that with a side of delicious torrent! |
| 18:38.45 | Lunessa | Nechckn: But in the 70s they WERE the Mac Daddy or Hot Momma |
| 18:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | huh @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826100006 |
| 18:40.45 | End | whut |
| 18:40.58 | End | interesting... |
| 18:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ... what? |
| 18:41.47 | End | CONTROL IT WITH YOUR MIND, MAN |
| 18:42.02 | NightHawkTheSane | controls End with his mind |
| 18:42.25 | End | is controlled. |
| 18:43.07 | Nechckn | Lunessa exactly- and at the time, they did appear to be all that. Now, though.. it's entertaining. |
| 18:44.25 | NightHawkTheSane | makes end walk into walls repeatedly. |
| 18:44.40 | End | what, sorry, I was afk |
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| 18:44.46 | End | damn walls kept running into me |
| 18:45.51 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/i-shall-call-themmini-mes/2120 |
| 18:46.26 | Lunessa | Nechckn: Yes. I looked a a picture of me taken in the 80s... and I thought - a) DAMN! I was thin! B) DAMN! I had hair! and finally, C) What the hell was I thinking with those clothes? |
| 18:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: a) 80s b) 80s C) 80s |
| 18:47.37 | Lunessa | SBO - yeah, yeah, and yeah |
| 18:47.55 | Lunessa | I mean, parachute pants? Member's Only jackets? WTF? |
| 18:48.06 | NightHawkTheSane | .... oh, you were that guy. |
| 18:48.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ~soothe Lunessa |
| 18:48.26 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs at purl |
| 18:48.33 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Nah, mostly it was Levi's 501 and a denim jacket, but still. |
| 18:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 18:48.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ew, denim jacket? :P |
| 18:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/nyregion/24albany.html?_r=1&hp |
| 18:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Albany Democrats Lock Themselves in the Senate Chamber |
| 18:50.17 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 18:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | I'll take...'Things that make me glad i left new york for $400, Alex' |
| 18:50.34 | ScytheBlade1 | To keep the republicans out ;) |
| 18:50.43 | NightHawkTheSane | shifts that last quote around... |
| 18:53.04 | Lunessa | SBO - That's about as juvenille as the time a bunch of state reps fled the capitol here in texas to prevent votes on issues they knew they would lose. |
| 18:54.39 | VonhintenHOME` | Seriously, the fact that CNN has "Jon & Kate" as one of their big topics is just fucking sad |
| 18:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | the fact that the show -exists- is just fucking sad |
| 18:56.19 | nicoli_s | my gf loves that show |
| 18:56.37 | NeoTron | Lunessa: I feel that if you "flee" that should automatically mean you lose |
| 18:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: yeah. and to think that we pay them to do that stuff, too |
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| 19:02.13 | kd3 | whee, the ptr 3.2.0 downloader's available |
| 19:02.18 | kd3 | hope you like downloading... |
| 19:02.19 | kd3 | 1.2GB |
| 19:02.22 | nicoli_s | damn |
| 19:03.17 | kd3 | I'll have interface stuff up as soon as I'm done |
| 19:03.17 | kd3 | in about 4 hours |
| 19:03.17 | End | hehe |
| 19:04.15 | nicoli_s | where are you seeing it avilable? on the ptr page im only seeing 3.1 |
| 19:04.53 | kd3 | you're seeing 3.0.1 on the ptr download page |
| 19:05.07 | nicoli_s | thats what i meant yah |
| 19:05.29 | kd3 | magic and ponies |
| 19:05.39 | nicoli_s | so wheres the download? |
| 19:05.52 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors_(PTR) |
| 19:06.12 | Fisker | OMG |
| 19:06.14 | NeoTron | kd3: man that's A LOT of worm |
| 19:06.14 | Fisker | ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 19:06.22 | NeoTron | I suspect there might be 3 worms not 2 |
| 19:07.00 | Fisker | hey vegeta |
| 19:07.03 | nevcairiel | nicoli_s, since 3.0.1, you'll always see that there, and then the updater will download the recent ptr-patch for you |
| 19:07.15 | Fisker | giev engb btw :( |
| 19:08.01 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 19:22.36 | Dagmar | That wasn't lame of those senators |
| 19:22.40 | Dagmar | It was prudent. |
| 19:22.48 | alestane | So if my wife spent something like half an hour trying to beat the torch catching game, how exactly did I do it in under two minutes? |
| 19:22.51 | ZorbaTHut | note to enemy rogues: if we're at a bonfire, and I target you, and you look at me, then walk forward and stealth when you get close, I *might be able to figure out your cunning plan* |
| 19:23.06 | Dagmar | Specifically, the majority had gotten together to try to pass some rulings specifically to *further* marginalize the minority party |
| 19:23.18 | Dagmar | It's one of those things "honest" politicians aren't supposed to do |
| 19:23.28 | Dagmar | Hiding out was the smart response to it |
| 19:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: as far as she is concerned, it took you an hour |
| 19:23.47 | alestane | There is that. |
| 19:23.59 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: I don't wait. Either they're gone before I pee on the fire, or it's their funeral. |
| 19:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And I suspect the shadows, actually |
| 19:24.21 | alestane | I also think there is something to scrolling out and pointing the camera straight down. |
| 19:24.24 | ZorbaTHut | I generally practice live-and-let-live |
| 19:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 19:24.40 | ZorbaTHut | if they don't attack me, I don't attack them. |
| 19:24.42 | Dagmar | I practice live and let live on classes that can't stunlock |
| 19:24.57 | ZorbaTHut | if they do attack me, I cheerfully corpsecamp them until I'm done with whatever I had to do in the area. |
| 19:24.58 | alestane | She knows about the shadows. Just I think she was following them the hard way. |
| 19:25.19 | ZorbaTHut | I'm a prot warrior, I'm not hugely scared by rogue stunlock. I'm going to end up surviving through it anyway, then prot-stunlock them right back |
| 19:25.54 | ZorbaTHut | it's a bad opening move for me, but I've won before in that situation. of course, when I pull them out of stealth with thunder clap as an opener, it's much more in my favor :P |
| 19:27.14 | nicoli_s | so ZorbaTHut, what are yer thoughts on the new quest stuff from blizz in 3.2? |
| 19:28.00 | ZorbaTHut | nicoli, it's a bit irritating, but not surprising. maybe I'll sit down and rig things so I can pull info from that. I doubt they're going to do the fastest-path algorithm. |
| 19:29.05 | nicoli_s | yeah, and we wont even have our first taste of what its like till probably later today/tom |
| 19:29.39 | ZorbaTHut | is that when they're opening the ptr servers? |
| 19:30.07 | NeoTron | Resilience Will Fix It (10 player) |
| 19:30.08 | NeoTron | Kill the enemy heroes within 60 seconds of each other in 10-player mode. |
| 19:30.19 | NeoTron | so does that make it sounds like it'll be a "pvp" type encounter like the one in BRD? |
| 19:30.45 | Dagmar | Wait, there was a PvP encounter in BRD? |
| 19:30.56 | Dagmar | Surely you're not talking about the Ring Of Lawl |
| 19:31.15 | alestane | The encounter when you're doing the tier 0.5 quests. |
| 19:32.39 | NeoTron | Dagmar: obviously the point is a pve encounter where mobs play more like players (going for healers first, ignoring threat) |
| 19:32.51 | NeoTron | don't really fucking care if it was easy or hard, that's not the point |
| 19:33.38 | Shadowed | where are you 3.2 UI changes :< |
| 19:33.38 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Ah well, I've only really been in there soloing the place, so it's hard to tell |
| 19:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: coming, I'm sure. It takes time for people to pull the entire patch (<1GB) |
| 19:34.02 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.07 | Shadowed | I meant Blizzards |
| 19:34.09 | kd3 | Shadowed, about 4 hours away |
| 19:34.22 | Dagmar | MgT's PvP fight is probably more notable |
| 19:34.32 | NeoTron | not really |
| 19:34.34 | NeoTron | they are about the same |
| 19:34.41 | NeoTron | given you do them at the intended level |
| 19:34.46 | ZorbaTHut | do we have to redownload the ptr installer, or can we use an existing one? |
| 19:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | new installer |
| 19:34.57 | ZorbaTHut | bah |
| 19:34.58 | ScytheBlade1 | 1.2GB, iirc |
| 19:35.13 | Lunessa | Or Old Kingdom's. |
| 19:35.19 | Shadowed | ScytheBlade1 is there a link to it? |
| 19:35.20 | kd3 | the whatever->3.0.1 ptr installer is the same |
| 19:35.25 | kd3 | the 0.0.1->0.2.0 is new |
| 19:35.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: ask kd3 |
| 19:35.34 | Shadowed | kd3 :> |
| 19:35.36 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors_(PTR) |
| 19:35.42 | ScytheBlade1 | There you have it |
| 19:35.46 | kd3 | like every ptr... ever |
| 19:36.09 | Dagmar | C'mon. You can almost hear the rogue laughing to himself while he runs from exposed back to exposed back stunning players in MgT. Bots don't generally behave like that. |
| 19:36.10 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 19:38.36 | NeoTron | that's what makes it fun |
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| 19:52.21 | Shadowed | ~addon kit |
| 19:52.24 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 19:52.26 | Shadowed | ~addonkit |
| 19:52.26 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 19:53.06 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 19:53.06 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 19:53.20 | Shadowed | aha |
| 19:56.47 | Hjalte | wonders if the wording of Balance of Power in 3.2 is right. Mmmm, 6% hit. |
| 19:57.03 | Thunder_Child | ~addonkit |
| 19:57.03 | purl | Located at http://tinyurl.com/addonkit the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 19:57.22 | Thunder_Child | ok thats better, though i am not sure why blizz has not fixed that yet |
| 19:59.50 | End | wasn't it already 4%? |
| 19:59.57 | End | oh, I have a theory |
| 20:00.17 | End | they want boomkins to wear resto gear? |
| 20:00.18 | Lunessa | Symantec products make my brain hurt |
| 20:00.43 | Cidan | End: It might be bunnies? |
| 20:00.53 | End | cloth tends to be itemized with a lot of hit, so I imagine a lot of balance druids go after it |
| 20:01.12 | alestane | Lunessa: You're not alone in that. |
| 20:03.01 | Hjalte | End: Yes, it's 4% now. It could be a bug with the talent calculator at mmo-champion or something. Haven't read about a hit increase before. |
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| 20:04.19 | foxlit | wonders when calendar data first becomes available |
| 20:05.10 | foxlit | The I-just-logged-in PEW doesn't seem to offer it, but I-just-reloaded PEW does. |
| 20:05.10 | Iriel | Sometime after PEW, I think |
| 20:05.25 | Iriel | but then like many other things, it's cached in the client |
| 20:05.35 | End | there's no event for it? |
| 20:05.37 | Iriel | (which is why it's there for the reloaded PEW) |
| 20:05.53 | foxlit | End: I'm not sure. |
| 20:06.18 | End | hm |
| 20:06.45 | Iriel | CALENDAR_UPDATE_EVENT? |
| 20:06.45 | End | do world events and fishing tourney load seperately from player data? |
| 20:07.56 | foxlit | CUE doesn't fire. |
| 20:08.06 | foxlit | (or, wait, I'm being silly) |
| 20:08.11 | End | probably not on reload |
| 20:08.21 | foxlit | [I didn't register for it] |
| 20:08.24 | End | haha |
| 20:08.35 | foxlit | But okay, it still doesn't fire. |
| 20:08.56 | End | including first login? |
| 20:09.04 | foxlit | even on first login |
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| 20:09.07 | End | hm |
| 20:09.11 | Iriel | That was somewhat of a guess, I haven't played with the calendar much |
| 20:09.17 | foxlit | [well, logout/login cycle] |
| 20:09.40 | End | that should be enough, I don't think it caches anything like that past logout? |
| 20:09.56 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 20:10.45 | foxlit | I do get a CALENDAR_ACTION_PENDING |
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| 20:16.11 | Shadowed | got 3.2 FrameXML if anyone wants by the way |
| 20:17.28 | Shadowed | looks like blizzard added an event tracer and improved error frame |
| 20:17.37 | kd3 | ! |
| 20:17.51 | kd3 | send it my way. I'll generate the usual diffs |
| 20:17.55 | Shadowed | email? |
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| 20:19.21 | foxlit | So the current date is available on PEW, but the holiday data is missing. |
| 20:20.05 | Dewin | Wow. So just a few days ago I was telling my friend "Well, they usually don't release the PTR patch notes until about a week before the PTR, so it'll probably be up Tuesday." I win at predicting. |
| 20:20.09 | Shadowed | kd3 sent |
| 20:20.30 | Shadowed | Blizzards moving to _G from getglobal it looks like too |
| 20:20.58 | End | cool |
| 20:21.07 | alestane | getglobal was a workaround for the fact that they weren't sure if _G was safe originally, IIRC. |
| 20:21.15 | End | probably |
| 20:21.26 | Iriel | Neither _G nor getfenv were available at first |
| 20:21.41 | Iriel | I'm not sure if was for safety reasons or just 'didn't need it' reasons |
| 20:21.51 | Shadowed | the debug tools thing looks fun |
| 20:22.04 | alestane | What, are they integrating devtools? |
| 20:22.14 | Shadowed | I think so or at least part of it |
| 20:22.17 | dardack | is there a command to leave your chess piece i have no icon |
| 20:22.25 | Shadowed | looks like they added an event tracer and a debug stack error thing |
| 20:22.29 | Shadowed | kd3 is doing a diff |
| 20:22.33 | foxlit | You can remove the buff |
| 20:22.37 | Iriel | I'm not sure how much of it they'd have integrated, but there were "moves afoot" |
| 20:22.41 | alestane | Also, is it in the patch notes? If it isn't, it might just be included for the PTR. |
| 20:22.41 | foxlit | Or something |
| 20:22.49 | dardack | there is no buff tho |
| 20:22.50 | Shadowed | it isn't, it might be alestane |
| 20:22.54 | dardack | like it bugged |
| 20:22.55 | Shadowed | but it does't look like something they would put just for ptr |
| 20:23.31 | Shadowed | just scanning through everything mostly |
| 20:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: that mean - sooner or later - we'll have to update the ~devtools bit? ;) |
| 20:23.43 | kd3 | eesh |
| 20:23.44 | kd3 | 22k line diff |
| 20:23.47 | Shadowed | actually can probably load it on live |
| 20:24.01 | Shadowed | they did a find/replace on getglobal -> _G to everything kd3 |
| 20:24.04 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: perhaps 8-) Depends how comprehensive theres is |
| 20:24.05 | Shadowed | as far as I can tell |
| 20:24.16 | Shadowed | will load it up in a second on live after I finish this vault |
| 20:24.18 | End | yay! |
| 20:24.19 | End | diff! |
| 20:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:26.12 | Shadowed | theres the druid power bar stuff of course, nothing new for that |
| 20:26.13 | Shadowed | oh new battleground events weird |
| 20:26.13 | Shadowed | ah thats for WG |
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| 20:27.32 | NeoTron | I wonder how much benefit the WG changes will have |
| 20:27.36 | Shadowed | Any idea what MULTICASTACTIONBUTTON# binding could be? |
| 20:27.39 | NeoTron | do most server really have >100 ppl per side? |
| 20:27.45 | Shadowed | yes |
| 20:27.48 | kd3 | yes |
| 20:27.56 | Grum | 4-6 raids is quite normal on our server on 1 side |
| 20:28.20 | NeoTron | never really seen that in my WG and not like our server is small.. of course maybe that changed with the weekly raids and tuesdays having 10x the ppl as any other day |
| 20:28.34 | Shadowed | the getglobal change is slightly annoying :< |
| 20:28.34 | NeoTron | I think a few times I saw >1 raid |
| 20:28.51 | Grum | Shadowed: spamming the diff? |
| 20:28.53 | Shadowed | yea |
| 20:29.03 | kd3 | holy hell |
| 20:29.05 | Shadowed | Yea the debug tools thing definitely looks like it's going to stay |
| 20:29.06 | Grum | what if you just do a search and replace on the code you diff with? :) |
| 20:29.08 | kd3 | button6-15? |
| 20:29.10 | Shadowed | BasicControls.xml had the error code stripped |
| 20:29.16 | ScytheBlade1 | WHOOO @ 6-15 |
| 20:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | YEAAAA |
| 20:29.28 | Torhal | alestane: I don't think it was intended only for the PTR. About two months ago, Zoot let slip "In 3.2, there will be much love for authors" |
| 20:29.28 | kd3 | I finally get to use all of my mx revolution!? yay |
| 20:29.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yay indeed! |
| 20:29.35 | NeoTron | for the upcoming xbox 360 port of course |
| 20:29.35 | Shadowed | ahh yea |
| 20:29.39 | Dagmar | Well, I guess we know some people don't handle nerfs well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc |
| 20:29.55 | Shadowed | new texture field? |
| 20:29.58 | Shadowed | "nonBlocking" |
| 20:30.03 | NeoTron | Shadowed: what are those debug tools? |
| 20:30.07 | Shadowed | not sure yet |
| 20:30.21 | Shadowed | UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTIBLE and UNIT_SPELLCAST_NO_INTERRUPTIBLE |
| 20:30.22 | NeoTron | an in-game IDE! |
| 20:30.25 | kd3 | UNIT_DISSIPATES |
| 20:30.31 | Shadowed | wheres that kd34 |
| 20:30.33 | Shadowed | -4 |
| 20:30.34 | kd3 | combat log |
| 20:30.46 | NeoTron | kd3: when units go away without dying? |
| 20:30.58 | Shadowed | not sure what that inerrruptible stuff is |
| 20:31.01 | NeoTron | like, say, the two dudes before Thaddius |
| 20:31.02 | jaxdahl | Shadowed, yeah those events were alluded to in the patch notes |
| 20:31.03 | Shadowed | looks like it's for a boss fight |
| 20:31.06 | Duman | hmm |
| 20:31.07 | jnwhiteh | "THis download is not authorized" |
| 20:31.07 | jnwhiteh | cryface |
| 20:31.08 | End | blinks. |
| 20:31.09 | NeoTron | Shadowed: it allows cast bars to be shown if thy can be interrupted or not |
| 20:31.10 | jaxdahl | Shadowed, shows whether casts are interruptible or not |
| 20:31.13 | Shadowed | ah |
| 20:31.14 | End | Did they really just add DevTools? |
| 20:31.32 | End | This code looks suspiciously like Iriel's! |
| 20:31.34 | End | ;p |
| 20:31.39 | Duman | man, PTR forum isnt' even up yet! |
| 20:31.40 | Duman | lame |
| 20:31.41 | alestane | I'm still trying to find a change that ISN'T a getglobal->_G conversion. |
| 20:31.51 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 20:31.57 | kd3 | there's plenty |
| 20:31.59 | Shadowed | forcing this thing to load might be interesting |
| 20:32.02 | kd3 | it just takes some scrolling |
| 20:32.05 | End | also |
| 20:32.06 | End | I'm slow |
| 20:32.24 | End | apparently yous guys already noticed DevTools |
| 20:32.26 | NeoTron | should filter out getglobal -> _G diffs |
| 20:32.54 | Shadowed | kd3, UNIT_DISSIPATES is categorized as a death |
| 20:32.57 | Iriel | End: They've had my permission for quite some time to steal whatever parts of dev tools they wanted to - Hopefully I'll get to see what they've done so far eventually |
| 20:33.01 | Shadowed | UNIT_DESTROYED as well |
| 20:33.05 | jnwhiteh | did someone already post the didf? |
| 20:33.10 | Shadowed | kd3s working on it |
| 20:33.13 | kd3 | I've emailed it out already |
| 20:33.18 | Duman | kd3 mailed it |
| 20:33.20 | Duman | I'm slow |
| 20:33.26 | NeoTron | diff -I getglobal! |
| 20:33.29 | End | Iriel: I figured as much |
| 20:33.38 | Shadowed | I wonder if UNIT_DISSIPATES is for mob corpses despawning |
| 20:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | er, hrm. kd3: how big is the zip? Getting extraction errors. |
| 20:33.55 | Duman | [-- Attachment #2: 3.1.3.9947-0.2.0.10026.zip --] |
| 20:33.55 | Duman | [-- Type: application/zip, Encoding: base64, Size: 224K --] |
| 20:33.56 | kd3 | 167k |
| 20:34.00 | Duman | weird |
| 20:34.11 | foxlit | not weird |
| 20:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 137kB here.. odd |
| 20:34.15 | ckknight | 3.1.3.9947-0.2.0.10026: http://paste.wowace.com/821.diff |
| 20:34.16 | foxlit | base64 vs 8bit. |
| 20:34.24 | Duman | yeah, just realized |
| 20:34.29 | Shadowed | oh they added dump as well |
| 20:34.31 | Shadowed | Iriel: |
| 20:34.33 | Shadowed | -- Contributed by Iriel, Esamynn and Kirov from DevTools v1.11 |
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| 20:34.37 | Duman | 169998 Jun 23 13:34 3.1.3.9947-0.2.0.10026.zip |
| 20:35.05 | Esamynn | hmm, huh, wha? |
| 20:35.16 | Shadowed | in the Blizzard_DebugTools/dump.lua |
| 20:35.26 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 20:35.39 | ckknight | I don't like Iriel's dump |
| 20:35.45 | Shadowed | I like Spews more |
| 20:35.55 | Shadowed | they might have changed it a little thought |
| 20:36.08 | Esamynn | Iriel's dump is basic, but it was also the first |
| 20:36.33 | Esamynn | like everything else in software, it can always be improved upon |
| 20:37.04 | kd3 | +## Special Thanks: Iriel, Kirov, Esamynn |
| 20:37.06 | kd3 | in the toc |
| 20:37.09 | Duman | woot |
| 20:37.09 | Shadowed | a bunch of new constants |
| 20:37.12 | Shadowed | for the totem stuff |
| 20:37.55 | Esamynn | feels the love |
| 20:38.27 | alestane | So are the debug tools considered an add-on? |
| 20:38.39 | Shadowed | LoD addon yea |
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| 20:38.40 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 20:38.44 | Esamynn | cool |
| 20:38.46 | Shadowed | trying to figure out how to force it to load |
| 20:38.51 | End | pfff |
| 20:39.00 | End | X-Credits is standard, not Special Thanks! |
| 20:39.07 | Esamynn | ~lart End |
| 20:39.07 | purl | whips End with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 20:39.10 | Shadowed | aha |
| 20:39.11 | End | :P |
| 20:39.15 | jaxdahl | i see you just saw UNIT_DISSIPATES |
| 20:39.18 | jaxdahl | wonder what that is |
| 20:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | End: I was wondering who would mention that |
| 20:39.31 | kd3 | it's in the combat log... has to be something useful |
| 20:39.34 | Shadowed | I think it's when a mobs corpse despawns |
| 20:39.35 | End | ScytheBlade1: I DID |
| 20:39.38 | Shadowed | it's listed as a death event |
| 20:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | s/that/that first/ |
| 20:40.12 | Shadowed | the event thing is pretty basic |
| 20:40.18 | foxlit | It's ## Special Thanks: so that you wouldn't be able to query it from the game! |
| 20:40.21 | End | really, all it means is you can't pull it out using GetAddOnMetadata |
| 20:40.22 | jnwhiteh | word |
| 20:40.25 | jaxdahl | is heal_absort new? |
| 20:40.29 | jaxdahl | absorb* |
| 20:40.45 | Shadowed | where, combat log? |
| 20:40.59 | jaxdahl | yea |
| 20:41.38 | foxlit | Wonder why they even put limitations on GetAddOnMetadata -- it'd probably be easier to just store everything and let you query everything. |
| 20:42.00 | Shadowed | oh nice |
| 20:42.23 | Shadowed | you set the event capture to only capture the next X events |
| 20:42.39 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: nice |
| 20:42.40 | nevcairiel | wtf is a MultiCastFlyOut |
| 20:42.48 | Shadowed | I think it's for arena spectating nevcairiel |
| 20:42.58 | Shadowed | image is big butL: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/415/eventb.png |
| 20:43.00 | kd3 | neg. It's probably for the quad-totem |
| 20:43.03 | Shadowed | thats the event trace |
| 20:43.09 | Shadowed | oh good point kd3 |
| 20:43.11 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: servers are already up? |
| 20:43.18 | Shadowed | no I just hacked it to load on live jnwhiteh |
| 20:43.24 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 20:43.26 | jnwhiteh | easy enough |
| 20:43.26 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 20:43.31 | nicoli_s | that looks snazzy |
| 20:43.33 | Shadowed | yea :> |
| 20:43.45 | Shadowed | I see FrameStackTooltip_Toggle too |
| 20:44.00 | Shadowed | new tooltip function, SetFrameStack |
| 20:44.12 | Shadowed | SetFrameStack(showHidden) |
| 20:44.32 | alestane | So if we have a /dump, an event tracer, and a framestack, then that pretty much does make DevTools obsolete? |
| 20:44.42 | Shadowed | think so |
| 20:44.54 | Shadowed | I also see a new function called debuglocals(level) |
| 20:45.01 | Shadowed | which might be eternal |
| 20:45.02 | Shadowed | internal* |
| 20:45.03 | jaxdahl | augh Shadowed, you're ahead of me, i also see MULTICASTACTIONBUTTON |
| 20:45.20 | Shadowed | I sent the compares to kd3 thats why jaxdahl :p |
| 20:45.23 | nevcairiel | meh multicast .. i bet its a real pain to support in action bars |
| 20:45.30 | nevcairiel | like anything with action bars <.< |
| 20:45.35 | jnwhiteh | totems |
| 20:45.37 | jnwhiteh | most likely imo |
| 20:45.40 | Shadowed | the event capture thing is nice, just needs a little bit of work to let you filter by event |
| 20:45.41 | jnwhiteh | since you cast four totems at once? |
| 20:45.43 | Shadowed | and it'll be excellent |
| 20:45.44 | Shadowed | yea clad |
| 20:45.49 | nevcairiel | thats a fair assumption |
| 20:45.56 | nevcairiel | but its probably still going to be a pain! |
| 20:46.27 | Shadowed | the Dump in this looks like a copy of DevTools |
| 20:46.28 | Dagmar | At least there'll be no more excuses about how "easy" it is to stomp totems once they can toss out four of them at once |
| 20:46.29 | nevcairiel | oh hey a slash to leave vehicles |
| 20:46.42 | Shadowed | you could set it to dump to an edit box thought |
| 20:47.10 | nevcairiel | GetPlayerInfoByGUID() -- sexy |
| 20:47.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: supposedly totem stomping will cease to exist in 3.2 as well |
| 20:47.16 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 20:47.20 | Duman | ooh |
| 20:47.20 | kd3 | dag; can't target totems in macros in 3.2 |
| 20:47.20 | Shadowed | nevcairiel where? |
| 20:47.28 | nevcairiel | local localizedClass, englishClass, localizedRace, englishRace, sex = GetPlayerInfoByGUID(arg12) |
| 20:47.32 | nevcairiel | in the chat code |
| 20:47.36 | nevcairiel | for colored names |
| 20:47.38 | Shadowed | they cleaned up the equipment code A LOT |
| 20:47.46 | jaxdahl | ah, could be for totems, that makes sense |
| 20:47.51 | kd3 | gack. no more /who hackery, finally? |
| 20:47.54 | Shadowed | now uses internal functions it appears |
| 20:47.56 | Shadowed | the gUID stuff looks awesome |
| 20:47.59 | nevcairiel | indeed kd3 |
| 20:47.59 | kd3 | about goddamn time |
| 20:48.02 | alestane | kd3: less, anyway. |
| 20:48.11 | Shadowed | kd3 depends |
| 20:48.12 | Shadowed | you can't get level still |
| 20:48.19 | nevcairiel | chat events now send you the GUID too |
| 20:48.20 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 20:48.54 | Shadowed | yea equipment manager replaced with an internal function mostly it looks like |
| 20:49.13 | alestane | Can someone get me a copy of the new FrameXML and not just the diff? |
| 20:49.22 | Shadowed | alestane email? |
| 20:49.46 | kd3 | ya, I can't send much more right now. my bandwidth is pegged trying to get the patch myself |
| 20:49.52 | nevcairiel | the integrated stat-comparison in tooltips looks nice |
| 20:49.54 | kd3 | 3 hours to go |
| 20:49.55 | kd3 | grr |
| 20:49.56 | nevcairiel | from globalstrings, at least |
| 20:50.20 | Shadowed | sent alestane |
| 20:50.23 | nevcairiel | +LFG_TYPE_DAILY_HEROIC_DUNGEON = "Daily Heroic Dungeon"; |
| 20:50.25 | kd3 | hm... autocomplete looks neat |
| 20:50.30 | nevcairiel | handy =P |
| 20:50.31 | Shadowed | nevcairiel it'll be pretty nice if you can compare a gray item |
| 20:50.33 | Shadowed | and get stats out easily |
| 20:50.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@ool-44c20653.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:50.45 | nevcairiel | +LFG_TYPE_ANY_HEROIC_DUNGEON = "Any Heroic Dungeon"; |
| 20:50.45 | nevcairiel | too |
| 20:50.49 | kd3 | YES |
| 20:50.56 | kd3 | I've been asking for that since BC release |
| 20:50.59 | Shadowed | haha |
| 20:51.04 | kd3 | er, the revamped lfg system* |
| 20:51.24 | Shadowed | new font GameFontNormalRight and GameFontNormalCenter |
| 20:51.36 | nevcairiel | TIME_UNIT_DELIMITER = " "; -- This is the symbol between two units of time. For example "5 Hours-> <-16 Minutes". (Usually a space) |
| 20:51.42 | nevcairiel | i loL'ed at the description =P |
| 20:52.12 | Kraps | i cant get my wow fix at work anymore, my boss blocked the internets :( |
| 20:52.23 | kd3 | what other character would it be in spelled out units of time... in any language? |
| 20:52.27 | kd3 | ponders |
| 20:52.29 | Esamynn | Kraps: awww, you poor thing |
| 20:52.52 | nevcairiel | there probably is *some* language with a diff char |
| 20:52.56 | nevcairiel | or that wouldnt be there |
| 20:53.15 | foxlit | One could imagine inserting "and" in there. |
| 20:53.24 | NeoTron | onder if auto-making of a party with ANY_HEROIC_DUNGEON would take lockouts into account |
| 20:53.29 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.41 | Shadowed | Blizzard added a maxDisplayCount at which it'll show * instead of specific item charges |
| 20:53.42 | kd3 | an aoe fear that doesn't pull half the dungeon? yay |
| 20:54.16 | jaxdahl | holy shit |
| 20:54.18 | jaxdahl | BIND_TRADE_TIME_REMAINING = "You may trade this item with players that were also eligible to loot this item for the next %s."; -- Time remaining to trade a bound item. Example: You may trade this item with players that were eligible to loot this item for the next 1 hour 30 minutes. |
| 20:54.28 | kd3 | omfg |
| 20:54.35 | Kraps | kd3: great for pvp too, i wont have to chase down the scared dudes |
| 20:54.36 | Dagmar | Now the question is will it make players animate the cute little "terrified" animation |
| 20:54.47 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: where did you find big changes about the equip manager? i don#t see it |
| 20:54.54 | Shadowed | look at the equipment manager nevcairiel |
| 20:55.01 | Shadowed | they replaced a lot of the code with UseEquipSet or something like that |
| 20:55.05 | kd3 | scroll down... it's pretty far down in the diff |
| 20:55.41 | Kraps | WHOA |
| 20:55.42 | Shadowed | kd3 LFG now shows your characters portrait as an icon |
| 20:55.44 | Shadowed | pretty big LFG change |
| 20:55.57 | Kraps | Pirate Day / Day of the Dead |
| 20:56.05 | kd3 | ahahahahaha |
| 20:56.05 | kd3 | win |
| 20:56.17 | Shadowed | and yea multicast stuff is definitely totems |
| 20:56.21 | jaxdahl | END_REFUND = "Performing this action will make this item non-refundable"; <-- no more renting arena weapons probably |
| 20:56.21 | Dagmar | Drat. |
| 20:56.22 | Kraps | Pilgrim's Bounty |
| 20:56.29 | nevcairiel | questlog had alot of changes too |
| 20:56.29 | jaxdahl | for DKs |
| 20:56.35 | Dagmar | Well, at least I'll get a faction discount on the epic flyer for waiting now |
| 20:56.52 | Shadowed | oh cool |
| 20:56.53 | Beladona | Dagmar: I was scrolling up. You know they are fixing the totem stomp anyway, despite the totem change? |
| 20:56.56 | Shadowed | the equipment manager will now queue on combat |
| 20:57.04 | Shadowed | er wait |
| 20:57.06 | nevcairiel | oh i was wanting that |
| 20:57.07 | Shadowed | nevermind |
| 20:57.11 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 20:57.11 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:57.15 | Shadowed | they changed the message |
| 20:57.22 | kd3 | yay, a /leavevehicle slash command |
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| 20:57.35 | Shadowed | haha |
| 20:57.36 | End | good |
| 20:57.38 | NeoTron | it queued in combat before |
| 20:57.42 | Shadowed | they fixed being in a battleground queue if you leveled |
| 20:57.43 | foxlit | /dismount not good enough for them? :) |
| 20:57.45 | NeoTron | like it already does |
| 20:57.54 | Shadowed | ERR_REMOVE_FROM_PVP_QUEUE_GRANT_LEVEL = "You have been removed from a PVP queue because another player has granted you a level"; |
| 20:57.56 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.13 | Duman | heh |
| 20:58.22 | End | is there any part of DevTools they didn't include? |
| 20:58.23 | NeoTron | kd3: main benefit - when debugging a users error I can ask them to do a /dump |
| 20:58.27 | End | or did they get everything? |
| 20:58.30 | Shadowed | End the /dump stuff is like 90% devtools |
| 20:58.34 | jaxdahl | they seem to be adding some kind of rating buster feature |
| 20:58.35 | Shadowed | looks like Blizzard is no longer going mail for GM responses |
| 20:58.39 | End | Shadowed: I know |
| 20:58.42 | jaxdahl | seeing what stats change when you compare 2 items |
| 20:58.44 | Shadowed | oh didn't |
| 20:58.49 | End | but eventtrace, framestack, reload were also devtools |
| 20:58.54 | End | was there a part they missed? |
| 20:58.58 | Shadowed | doesn't look like it |
| 20:58.59 | End | or did thet get it all? |
| 20:59.00 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: old news, but stat change is not the same as ratingbuster |
| 20:59.09 | NeoTron | rating buster shows you what the stats give you |
| 20:59.18 | kd3 | rating buster is "118 haste: +4%" |
| 20:59.20 | Shadowed | stat change is |
| 20:59.26 | Shadowed | You have item X, if you equip Y you gain 50 AGI |
| 20:59.46 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: rating buster did the silly summary thing too, though |
| 20:59.49 | Beladona | there will still be a place for rating buster |
| 21:00.03 | Shadowed | looks like a new option called raid difficulty |
| 21:00.04 | Beladona | since it supports things like gemming and enchants |
| 21:00.10 | Shadowed | which will let you select 10/25/10 heroic/25 heroic |
| 21:00.12 | Beladona | which I doubt the default ui will do |
| 21:00.12 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: didn't say it didn't but it's not the main feature I use it for |
| 21:00.49 | Shadowed | oh hey you can see item level in-game now it looks like too |
| 21:00.57 | nevcairiel | -- HACK: we have too many bars in this game now... |
| 21:00.58 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:01.02 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 21:01.07 | kd3 | "now"? |
| 21:01.14 | Shadowed | hahahah |
| 21:01.15 | Shadowed | SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_65 = "Only GMs may use that. Your account has been reported for investigation."; -- There's no actual reporting feature. It's there to scare the user. Yes, I am that evil. |
| 21:01.16 | End | it was the straw |
| 21:01.24 | kd3 | ahahahahaha |
| 21:01.25 | Shadowed | winnnn |
| 21:01.25 | End | lol |
| 21:01.28 | NeoTron | what is nice is that all these changes should be default in their new mmo - things like debug tools for example |
| 21:01.28 | Dagmar | Oh I LOVE that one |
| 21:01.29 | End | that's awesome |
| 21:01.32 | kd3 | that is all kinds of awesomesauce |
| 21:01.34 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:01.57 | Esamynn | haha, that's great |
| 21:01.58 | kd3 | someone ping zoot/slouken so we can laugh with them in irc |
| 21:02.00 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't be surprised of the comment vanishes until release |
| 21:02.19 | Shadowed | still funny |
| 21:02.43 | nevcairiel | function UIDoFramesIntersect(frame1, frame2) |
| 21:02.47 | nevcairiel | handy utility function |
| 21:03.00 | nevcairiel | even though you could easily do it yourself =P |
| 21:03.04 | Duman | hah |
| 21:03.07 | foxlit | I wouldn't trust the handy functions whose names begin with UI |
| 21:03.12 | End | >_< |
| 21:03.27 | kd3 | shopping tooltips? |
| 21:03.36 | Shadowed | item compares kd3 |
| 21:03.38 | Shadowed | for stats |
| 21:03.39 | kd3 | ah |
| 21:03.54 | Shadowed | they implemented a mail box cap I think |
| 21:03.59 | Shadowed | theres an error saying you have too many items in your mail |
| 21:04.16 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 21:04.27 | Dagmar | So... You think the AH will override that? |
| 21:04.28 | Kraps | not one, but two jormungar wyrms. |
| 21:04.31 | nevcairiel | so they really split raid difficulty into 4 tiers now |
| 21:04.36 | nevcairiel | 10, 10 hard, 25, 25 hard |
| 21:04.36 | Dagmar | Otherwise, there's going to be screaming |
| 21:04.36 | Shadowed | yup nevcairiel |
| 21:04.39 | Shadowed | Dagmar assume so |
| 21:04.48 | Shadowed | not sure what the cap is, but they have errors and such for it |
| 21:05.06 | foxlit | There's already a (soft) cap. |
| 21:05.07 | nevcairiel | the Ulduar vehicles got special vehicle artworks now |
| 21:05.07 | End | does the error occur on send? |
| 21:05.14 | foxlit | The text may just be there to notify you that you've hit it. |
| 21:05.22 | Shadowed | yea it's possible |
| 21:05.30 | Shadowed | no just on receive it looks like |
| 21:05.37 | Dagmar | Well, i'm more concenred that things might bounce back to places unknown |
| 21:05.47 | jaxdahl | are they adding a maximum # of mails you can have? |
| 21:05.50 | jaxdahl | or was there already a max |
| 21:05.51 | Dagmar | Not being able to see the bottom of hte mailbox is something I've grown used to |
| 21:05.55 | Shadowed | setglobal is now _G as well |
| 21:06.03 | Beladona | <PlacesUnknown> Why do I keep getting all this mail? GAWD |
| 21:06.06 | Dagmar | jaxdahl: If there was a max, it was REALLY high |
| 21:06.35 | Dagmar | I'll list 100 enchant scrolls without thinking twice about it |
| 21:06.36 | foxlit | Your mailbox only supports 50 pieces of mail. |
| 21:06.48 | nevcairiel | ah they finally fixed the thing i reported in 3.1 ptr already about the ulduar map =p |
| 21:06.49 | Shadowed | huh |
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| 21:07.01 | Shadowed | code to support locked instances from hardmodes I guess |
| 21:07.06 | foxlit | You'll have to do acrobatics to get it to fetch more mail once you read and dispose of your first 50. |
| 21:07.25 | Dagmar | Mainly I just step away from the mailbox a moment, and then reopen it at the top of hte next clock minute |
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| 21:07.58 | Shadowed | no secure changes really beside the button stuff |
| 21:08.33 | jnwhiteh | any chances to the xml schema |
| 21:08.36 | jnwhiteh | changes even |
| 21:08.46 | Shadowed | new Texture field called nonBlocking but not sure what it does jnwhiteh |
| 21:08.57 | jaxdahl | the totem stuff has a ton of code for it |
| 21:09.01 | jaxdahl | i wonder how many bugs are in it |
| 21:09.02 | Shadowed | they added auto complete code into the staticpopup stuff |
| 21:09.21 | Shadowed | I think we might be able to hook into the auto complete stuff pretty easily |
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| 21:09.30 | nevcairiel | and taint, probably =P |
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| 21:09.34 | Shadowed | :< |
| 21:09.37 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: one change |
| 21:09.38 | Duman | heh |
| 21:09.39 | Shadowed | I hope they fixed the set focus tooltip taint |
| 21:09.56 | Shadowed | nonBlocking is the only change I see in UI.xsd |
| 21:10.02 | Shadowed | <xs:attribute name="nonBlocking" type="xs:boolean" default="false"/> |
| 21:10.27 | nevcairiel | don't ask me in which node that is |
| 21:10.33 | nevcairiel | i only see the diff <.< |
| 21:10.41 | Shadowed | itsss |
| 21:10.54 | Shadowed | TextureType |
| 21:10.55 | nevcairiel | the person running the diff didnt turn on all the handy options for diff |
| 21:11.03 | End | blames kd3 |
| 21:11.09 | kd3 | I usually don't |
| 21:11.16 | Shadowed | I see no real fixes for the set focus taint issues sadly :/ |
| 21:11.45 | foxlit | I'm sure you can already fix it by providing lengthy and annoying code :) |
| 21:12.05 | nevcairiel | the whole dropdown code is a mess |
| 21:12.07 | Shadowed | foxlit, Xinhuan has code that fixes it for all units except raid members, for raid members I'd have to duplicate the entire menu structure as far as I know :< |
| 21:12.08 | nevcairiel | they need to fix that |
| 21:12.20 | jaxdahl | uhmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:12.22 | jaxdahl | WoW-0.2.0-enUS-patch.exe is not signed |
| 21:12.30 | foxlit | Meh. Dropdown code works (for me). |
| 21:12.30 | nevcairiel | its a virus |
| 21:12.31 | Shadowed | oops? |
| 21:12.41 | nevcairiel | it still taints way too easily foxlit |
| 21:12.41 | foxlit | Perhaps they shouldn't use it for potentially protected actions. |
| 21:12.59 | Shadowed | new event END_REFUND |
| 21:13.07 | Shadowed | which must be triggered if you use anything on an item |
| 21:13.13 | Torhal | Shadowed: It also taints on target if the player is also the target. |
| 21:13.13 | End | I'll END REFUND you |
| 21:13.22 | jaxdahl | Shadowed, yeah, no more renting arena weapons and runeforging them for DKs |
| 21:13.22 | foxlit | But will you refund End? |
| 21:13.26 | End | no |
| 21:13.27 | End | I won't |
| 21:13.28 | Kraps | "A new animation system has been added to the WoW UI framework" what kind of animations do they mean? |
| 21:13.35 | End | wasn't that 3.1? |
| 21:13.36 | nevcairiel | you know whats really annoying |
| 21:13.39 | jaxdahl | Kraps, smooth animations |
| 21:13.43 | jaxdahl | think scrolling combat text, i think |
| 21:13.46 | jaxdahl | and yes that was 3.1 |
| 21:13.57 | Kraps | yeah my bad |
| 21:14.10 | nevcairiel | my nvidia driver decides to turn on 3d stuff randomly, and WoW decides to forcefully enable it all the time too, even when i turn it off manually |
| 21:14.20 | nevcairiel | and since i don't have 3d hardware, it looks terribly broken then <.< |
| 21:14.52 | Shadowed | odd that they gave Ulduar vehicles special images |
| 21:15.20 | Shadowed | Ackis [URL=http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eventb.png][IMG]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/415/eventb.th.png[/IMG][/URL] |
| 21:15.21 | Shadowed | bah |
| 21:15.25 | Shadowed | http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eventb.png |
| 21:15.32 | Shadowed | too lazy to tab over channels |
| 21:15.50 | End | thats the event tracer? |
| 21:15.53 | Shadowed | yes |
| 21:15.56 | End | artwork looks more blizzardy |
| 21:15.58 | End | ;-p |
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| 21:16.45 | Shadowed | looks like the quest objective stuff is pretty god damn detailed |
| 21:16.55 | Shadowed | QUEST_ICON_KILL KILL_COLLECT INTERACT TURN_IN CHAT_X_MARK |
| 21:17.13 | Esamynn | Shadowed: yah, that looks... familiar ;) |
| 21:17.23 | Shadowed | Esamynn yea not surprised : |
| 21:17.44 | Esamynn | given the credit, I suspect they asked Iriel for DevTools |
| 21:17.59 | Shadowed | Iriel made it sound like he told them they can do whatever they want |
| 21:18.02 | Shadowed | without them asking |
| 21:18.14 | Shadowed | GetMapUpdateQuest(#), mapID, x, y, icon, text = QuestMapGetPOIInfoForQuest(i, j) |
| 21:18.24 | Kirov | Doesn't look like it has my awesome tastic menu though |
| 21:18.50 | Esamynn | Shadowed: didn't you hear, they own us all, mind, soul and body! |
| 21:18.55 | Shadowed | hah |
| 21:19.27 | Shadowed | Blizzard keeps changing their team data failed detection code every single patch |
| 21:19.27 | Shadowed | since 2.0 |
| 21:19.32 | End | Esamynn: Iriel made it sound like he offered a long time ago |
| 21:19.39 | End | and they only just took him up on the offer |
| 21:19.43 | nevcairiel | their what? |
| 21:19.46 | Kirov | I think that's part of the EULA, section 532, paragraph 6a, "All your base are belong to us." |
| 21:19.47 | Esamynn | shrugs |
| 21:20.00 | End | that was the impression I got at least |
| 21:20.03 | Shadowed | nevcairiel just a little bit of code that finds out if your arena match was invalid cause the other team didn't enter |
| 21:20.33 | End | either way, they definitely had his permission, of course |
| 21:20.43 | Shadowed | that's all the interesting stuff I see thought |
| 21:21.09 | Esamynn | End: of course |
| 21:22.14 | End | oh here it is |
| 21:22.17 | End | 14:32 <@Iriel> End: They've had my permission for quite some time to steal whatever parts of dev tools they wanted to - Hopefully I'll get to see what they've done so far eventually |
| 21:22.22 | Shadowed | looks like the battlefield minimap won't support the POI stuff |
| 21:22.32 | End | (I'm not sure what he means by that second part) |
| 21:23.08 | Esamynn | I think he just means he hopes he gets to see the end result |
| 21:23.25 | End | I don't see why he wouldn't |
| 21:24.38 | Esamynn | yah, I dunno |
| 21:24.39 | kd3 | geez at the hacks required in the quest/achievement tracking frame |
| 21:24.39 | jnwhiteh | i'm interested to see the world map poi stuff. |
| 21:24.39 | Shadowed | ah there we go |
| 21:24.39 | Shadowed | ACTION_UNIT_DISSIPATES_FULL_TEXT = "%4$s dissipates."; |
| 21:24.40 | NeoTron | so does it actually show the general area for mobs you need to kill.. or exact location of mobs? or how does that work? |
| 21:24.40 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh it looks really nice, as far as I can tell it shows everything you need |
| 21:24.41 | Shadowed | it's probably general area |
| 21:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://us.php.net/goto |
| 21:25.41 | Shadowed | yea dissipates has to be corpse despawned |
| 21:25.43 | kd3 | rofl at the inline xkcd |
| 21:25.43 | Esamynn | sometimes I think they're dumbing down questing just a little too much |
| 21:25.53 | Shadowed | Esamynn questing is dumb already :< |
| 21:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 21:25.56 | Esamynn | kd3: it's often 1/2 the joke |
| 21:26.12 | Kraps | so is the ptr up or not? |
| 21:26.17 | kd3 | no |
| 21:26.36 | Esamynn | Shadowed: :P |
| 21:26.43 | Kraps | so where did all the new info come from? |
| 21:26.50 | kd3 | the patch is available |
| 21:26.50 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 21:26.55 | kd3 | we're doing all the regular datamining |
| 21:26.55 | Shadowed | oh |
| 21:26.56 | Shadowed | I bet |
| 21:26.58 | Esamynn | examination of the ui in the patch Kraps |
| 21:27.07 | Shadowed | the heal absorb stuff is for specific absorbs |
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| 21:27.23 | Esamynn | which is why you see a lot of conjecture |
| 21:27.25 | Shadowed | bet PW:S will fire SPELL_HEAL with the amount absorbed |
| 21:27.38 | Shadowed | except why is there an absorb for periodic healign? |
| 21:27.50 | Kraps | what patch? :/ |
| 21:27.55 | kd3 | 0.2.0 |
| 21:27.57 | Esamynn | the ptr patch |
| 21:28.01 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors_(PTR) |
| 21:28.03 | Kraps | oh |
| 21:28.20 | NeoTron | so you can now properly start tracking prevented damage |
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| 21:29.01 | Shadowed | yea but why for periodics |
| 21:29.12 | Shadowed | unless theres a new boss that puts something that absorbs the healing you do to players |
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| 21:29.22 | Shadowed | or consistancy I guess? |
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| 21:32.28 | Aelobin | tense moment |
| 21:32.40 | Kraps | how does datamining work? |
| 21:32.46 | Aelobin | spent like an hour vacuuming the inside of my pc in the hope it'll stop crashing |
| 21:32.54 | Aelobin | if it crashes again i'll be so pissed off :< |
| 21:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: it involves a pickaxe, a hard drive, and a very, very steady hand |
| 21:34.22 | Kraps | yeah... |
| 21:34.49 | NeoTron | Aelobin: it WILL crash again. promise |
| 21:34.58 | Aelobin | dont be mean :< |
| 21:35.30 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: really |
| 21:35.50 | ScytheBlade1 | In WoW's case, it usually means picking apart the DBCs and diffing them |
| 21:35.53 | End | really really |
| 21:35.53 | jaxdahl | so.. any idea why the patch .exe isn't signed like every other patch file |
| 21:35.54 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:35.54 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after ScytheBlade1's head |
| 21:36.03 | Thunder_Child | x#inf |
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| 21:47.44 | foxlit | Did the EU hamsters just die? |
| 21:49.17 | NeoTron | lol |
| 21:49.20 | NeoTron | "Increases the damage done by your Immolate, Corruption, and Unstable Affliction spells by 0.011 sec." |
| 21:49.39 | Dagmar | Hmmm... Interesting |
| 21:49.39 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: on ED< yes |
| 21:49.46 | NeoTron | that's like doing the Kessel run in 12 parsec |
| 21:49.46 | jnwhiteh | its in the process of shitting itself. |
| 21:49.55 | Dagmar | ...or nine watts. |
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| 21:52.31 | Kraps | i love reading the emblem qq threads |
| 21:52.54 | NeoTron | Kraps: I'm thinking it'll give me some reasont o run heroics on my alts so I can get some rep going |
| 21:53.06 | NeoTron | and actually find guildies to run said heroics with |
| 21:53.43 | jnwhiteh | this download is not authorized =( |
| 21:53.44 | jnwhiteh | enGB h8 |
| 21:54.41 | Dagmar | ugh |
| 21:55.01 | Dagmar | I just found out they *fully* reset the fire quests |
| 21:55.07 | Dagmar | SOO much running all over |
| 21:55.18 | NeoTron | more gold? |
| 21:55.24 | Dagmar | At least I've completed two continent's worth now |
| 21:55.30 | Dagmar | It's not that much gold at 80 |
| 21:55.58 | Dagmar | Still, I'll take it being that it's the only way I'll get enough blossoms |
| 21:56.19 | NeoTron | it's a lot of gold for the time spent |
| 21:56.27 | NeoTron | well not A LOT but not insignificant |
| 21:56.51 | NeoTron | something to do while chatting with people on guild chat |
| 21:56.54 | Dagmar | I think that's more to do with the time spent than the reward per fire you pee on |
| 21:57.31 | Dagmar | I'm mainly peeved that I only had <10 places left to visit in Kalimdor |
| 21:58.02 | NeoTron | I'm not doing the non-flying mount areas |
| 21:58.10 | NeoTron | too much effort to be worth my time for the gold |
| 21:58.15 | Dagmar | I needs blossoms |
| 21:58.25 | Aelobin | i personally don't do seasonal achievements, but this has given me the opportunity to progress in City Defender :P |
| 21:58.30 | Dagmar | All I got last year was the statue you can dance with |
| 21:58.41 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:58.43 | Dagmar | Aelobin: Oh yes. THem rogues think they're bein' all sneaky |
| 21:58.44 | Aelobin | Dagmar: i got that last year... on a lvl 10 ;) |
| 21:59.03 | Dagmar | Well, the sad thing is I think I basically wasted all the other blossoms |
| 21:59.10 | Dagmar | Well, maybe not *wasted* |
| 21:59.41 | Dagmar | That extra fire damage meant that as just about anyone not wearing a sherman tank for a hat, your ass was MINE if you put out a fire |
| 22:00.06 | Aelobin | lol |
| 22:00.47 | Dagmar | For the record, I don't molest anyone who comes to the Stormwind fire non-stealthed. ;) |
| 22:00.49 | Aelobin | tis so funny watchign horde run through SW, they nearly reach the fire, then i just death grip + chains of ice xD |
| 22:01.05 | Esamynn | you bad bad man |
| 22:01.14 | Aelobin | lolol |
| 22:01.17 | Dagmar | Someone decided it would be funny to stun my gf's toon while she was juggling torches and I got an earful of bitching about it |
| 22:01.30 | Dagmar | So... stealth + bonfire == i kill you |
| 22:01.38 | NeoTron | whipped |
| 22:02.22 | Dagmar | not whipped. JUst don't want to hear it |
| 22:03.03 | Esamynn | Dagmar: why the SW fire in particular? |
| 22:06.17 | Adys | If anyone is interested in reporting bugs etc |
| 22:06.18 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com |
| 22:06.36 | nicoli_s | that new? |
| 22:06.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:07.11 | nicoli_s | ewww django |
| 22:07.17 | Adys | django's amazing |
| 22:07.52 | Dagmar | Esamynn: Mainly because it was the one where that damn rogue decided it would be funny to stun my gf while she was juggling torches |
| 22:07.55 | nicoli_s | i had to use it a few years ago, did not like it |
| 22:08.11 | Dagmar | That and no one really expects you'll drink a potion of water walking just so you can chase their happy ass unrestricted around the canals. ;) |
| 22:08.18 | Kraps | voice of Kerastraza http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2315339/ |
| 22:08.34 | foxlit | who? |
| 22:08.40 | nicoli_s | are you the coder Adys? |
| 22:08.43 | Adys | yea |
| 22:08.48 | Adys | except for the js |
| 22:09.10 | jnwhiteh | django is nice, except for a few things |
| 22:09.26 | Adys | I could say the same about Greece |
| 22:09.26 | jaxdahl | Adys, can you fix the search box |
| 22:09.40 | mikma | ~gs |
| 22:09.40 | purl | GrandSuck phones & gateways are cheap junk which should be avoided with extreme prejudice. |
| 22:09.52 | nicoli_s | i like working with asp.net so much more than python and django, but i guess thats just the kind of coder i am |
| 22:09.55 | Adys | jaxdahl: sorta yeah, theres a new one soon, this is placeholderish |
| 22:09.58 | nicoli_s | i loves muh IDE and tools |
| 22:09.59 | Codayus | ! |
| 22:10.10 | Codayus | Dissing django I can see. But python?! |
| 22:10.23 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:10.25 | Adys | python is amazing |
| 22:10.28 | Adys | bloody, bloody amazing |
| 22:10.30 | nicoli_s | well i have no problem with pythin, i just didnt like python + django |
| 22:10.41 | nicoli_s | i've used python in some projects before |
| 22:10.42 | Codayus | I'm thinking of trying TurboGears for my next web project. |
| 22:10.47 | jaxdahl | Adys, what does sigrie mean |
| 22:10.54 | Adys | its the name why? |
| 22:10.59 | jaxdahl | is it french? |
| 22:11.02 | jaxdahl | fremch |
| 22:11.03 | Adys | no Oo |
| 22:11.43 | nicoli_s | though Adys, id be careful, the zam guys have no problem suing sites for having similar look and feels |
| 22:11.50 | Bibi- | yeah |
| 22:11.56 | Bibi- | and they totally stole the talent calculator from MMO-Champion |
| 22:11.57 | nicoli_s | and alot of the color scheme/layout is very similar to wowhead |
| 22:12.02 | Bibi- | and Zam employees laughed at me when I pointed it out |
| 22:12.19 | nicoli_s | they stole my model viewer too :P |
| 22:12.25 | drfuzzykins | nicoli_s: Have you heard of MonoRail/the Castle project? |
| 22:12.29 | nicoli_s | nope |
| 22:12.32 | Adys | nicoli_s: most of the stuff I coded on this was stuff I coded for wowhead back then |
| 22:12.37 | Bibi- | the color scheme - black background is the only thing that works with the colors of item/classes links in game |
| 22:12.39 | drfuzzykins | It's something like Ruby on Rails, but with .NET |
| 22:12.52 | nicoli_s | sounds cool, and ahh adys, i knew your name sounded familiar |
| 22:13.08 | Adys | which reminds me |
| 22:13.09 | Adys | http://blog.pastie.org/2008/05/copyright---des.html |
| 22:13.42 | nicoli_s | well if i remember correctly, zam's problem with us(wowdb) wasnt the look and feel, but "brand confusion" |
| 22:13.55 | Codayus | Heh |
| 22:15.17 | Codayus | Actually, I'd kind of like to try out the new asp.net mvc stuff, but the learning curve seems steep if your not familiar with the technology stack. |
| 22:15.44 | nicoli_s | we are actually designing one of our new sites in asp.net mvc, the devs working on it seem to like it |
| 22:16.35 | Codayus | There's a lot of info floating around on, say, how to quickly install and configure a rails instance so you can try it out, even if you're not familiar with rails, ruby, etc. |
| 22:16.59 | Codayus | Most of the info for the MS stacks seems to assume your already familiar with the tech...which is probably a good assumption in most cases. :-/ |
| 22:17.22 | nicoli_s | yeah theres def a learning curve with some of this stuff |
| 22:18.07 | jaxdahl | adys, cool feature would be able to look at a spell and see build to build changes |
| 22:18.15 | Adys | tell me about it |
| 22:18.35 | jaxdahl | Adys, not being considered? |
| 22:18.50 | Adys | it is |
| 22:18.53 | Adys | its just not simple :D |
| 22:19.46 | Adys | anyway if you guys see any bugs and so on would love it to be reported over :) |
| 22:20.33 | jaxdahl | Adys, got a sneak peek of features you're working on that other sites don't have, or are you afraid they'll steal those ideas and put them in first? |
| 22:20.41 | Adys | im so afraid |
| 22:21.06 | Adys | no really, hopefully build history some time soon, easy tooltip/table embedding etc |
| 22:21.48 | NeoTron | Adys: gotta ask though, is the main goal to use it for new items in PTR's? |
| 22:21.56 | NeoTron | because for the msot part I'd say another such site is not requires :P |
| 22:22.03 | jnwhiteh | Adys: what about being able to access item information programatically |
| 22:22.08 | jnwhiteh | perhaps with an API key or attribution |
| 22:22.19 | Adys | jnwhiteh: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/12592/blackblade-of-shahram/tooltip for item tooltips |
| 22:22.25 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.37 | jnwhiteh | what about json for stuff like ach and quests |
| 22:22.55 | Adys | what kind of format you need? |
| 22:23.06 | jnwhiteh | json is easier than xml |
| 22:23.10 | jnwhiteh | but devs would like either |
| 22:23.17 | jnwhiteh | means we can stop hitting wowhead and scraping them |
| 22:23.23 | jnwhiteh | although in the case of LH that doesn't help me all that much |
| 22:23.26 | jnwhiteh | since I rely on the comment data |
| 22:23.33 | Adys | yeah I suppose I can add that in 1.1 |
| 22:23.42 | Adys | although |
| 22:23.48 | Adys | you can use the xhtml tooltip format |
| 22:23.51 | NeoTron | comments is definitely a major benefit to wowhead |
| 22:23.51 | Adys | every div is named |
| 22:24.03 | Adys | cf view-source:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/12592/blackblade-of-shahram/tooltip |
| 22:24.09 | jnwhiteh | yeahj |
| 22:24.13 | jnwhiteh | but that still requires "Scraping" |
| 22:24.15 | jnwhiteh | even if its "Easier" :P |
| 22:24.25 | jnwhiteh | libjson lets us turn a json table into a lua table |
| 22:24.29 | jnwhiteh | can't get much easier than that :P |
| 22:24.35 | Adys | Ill add json for 1.1 |
| 22:25.23 | NeoTron | jnwhiteh: I wonder how the value of LH will drop come 3.2. I almost exclusively use it for coordinates |
| 22:25.34 | jnwhiteh | NeoTron: depends on how "smart" it is |
| 22:25.41 | jnwhiteh | and in that case |
| 22:25.57 | jnwhiteh | i devote my time fully to LHAchievements :P |
| 22:26.16 | Adys | jnwhiteh: have a look at the source of the tables on http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/item/test/ |
| 22:26.21 | Adys | that kind of format you want? |
| 22:26.37 | jnwhiteh | aye, that's useful |
| 22:26.41 | Adys | real easy |
| 22:26.51 | jnwhiteh | just for |
| 22:26.51 | jnwhiteh | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/610/pretty-boy-duncan/ |
| 22:26.52 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:27.06 | Adys | its a bit hacky, but |
| 22:27.12 | jnwhiteh | i'm trying to think of a reason i need this tho |
| 22:27.14 | jnwhiteh | item prices, no |
| 22:27.22 | Adys | you can always do http://db.mmo-champion.com/quests?id=610 |
| 22:27.23 | jnwhiteh | unless you have coords for mining and stuff, no. |
| 22:27.33 | jnwhiteh | Adys: that doesn't give the details I need. |
| 22:27.45 | Adys | yeah, this is just the default json that goes in the table |
| 22:28.03 | jnwhiteh | What _would_ we need a database for these days |
| 22:28.07 | jnwhiteh | i already have quests |
| 22:28.09 | jnwhiteh | and you can give it to me |
| 22:28.23 | jnwhiteh | that helps us get people loremaster |
| 22:28.30 | jnwhiteh | what else isn't available in-game these days |
| 22:28.31 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 22:28.48 | Dagmar | The _real_ gender of the NE paladin you've been cybering with |
| 22:28.49 | Adys | well its mostly an internal database |
| 22:29.01 | Dagmar | ...and their age. |
| 22:29.06 | jnwhiteh | Adys: aye |
| 22:29.09 | jnwhiteh | btu even then |
| 22:29.13 | jnwhiteh | i'm wondering what i'll use wowhead for |
| 22:29.17 | jnwhiteh | or any db site |
| 22:29.21 | Adys | jnwhiteh: also, this you cant do on other dbs: |
| 22:29.21 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items?stub=1 |
| 22:29.22 | Esamynn | Dagmar: NE Paladin? O_o |
| 22:29.39 | Dagmar | jnwhiteh: The educational and well-thought-out commentary attached to each db item |
| 22:29.55 | jnwhiteh | interesting Adys |
| 22:29.57 | Dagmar | Esamynn: Yes well, I couldn't bear to make a completely plausible accusation like that |
| 22:30.00 | Adys | jnwhiteh: nor this: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items?name__iregex=(furious|deadly) |
| 22:30.09 | Adys | (accepts all python regexes) |
| 22:30.10 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 22:30.23 | Esamynn | Dagmar: :P |
| 22:30.25 | Dagmar | Not becasue I didn't want to imply someone was cybering, but because I figured an impossible class would be more likely to induce an accidental confession |
| 22:30.32 | Dagmar | looks at you |
| 22:30.33 | End | are you exposing the django filters or something? |
| 22:30.41 | Esamynn | Dagmar: O_o |
| 22:30.43 | Dagmar | :P |
| 22:30.45 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 22:30.46 | Adys | End: yes, because they are AWESOME |
| 22:31.01 | Esamynn | ~fishslap Dagmar |
| 22:31.13 | Esamynn | pokes purl |
| 22:31.16 | jnwhiteh | Adys: wrong color on http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44807/indalamars-holy-hand-grenade/ ? |
| 22:31.20 | jnwhiteh | since its not BoA |
| 22:31.26 | Adys | its an artifact |
| 22:31.39 | jnwhiteh | yeah, i just didn't know if it shares teh same color |
| 22:31.41 | Adys | same color as heirlooms |
| 22:31.44 | jnwhiteh | didn't look into that at all |
| 22:31.45 | jnwhiteh | ah ok |
| 22:31.52 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 22:31.52 | purl | Esamynn: thanks |
| 22:32.01 | Esamynn | oh noes, purl forgot fishslap? :( |
| 22:32.07 | mikma | toss me the holy handgrenade! |
| 22:32.13 | End | hm |
| 22:32.59 | End | that's neat |
| 22:33.42 | End | I can't help but think you could come up with something dangerous, but it's definitely very neat being able to do stuff like ?level=226 |
| 22:34.05 | End | or level__gte=226 |
| 22:34.46 | Adys | I made sure it was harmless and without any kind of cross-table read |
| 22:34.53 | Adys | now if its not, its because i suck |
| 22:34.53 | End | oh ok then |
| 22:35.07 | End | cross table is probably the only thing dangerous you could do |
| 22:35.39 | Adys | End: well since there's absolutely no login data or any kind of stuff like that, I dont see what someone could do with it |
| 22:36.22 | End | well, you could slow it down with complicated queries |
| 22:36.40 | Thunder_Child | i need to pay attention to what music i am listening to when i go over old pictures |
| 22:36.58 | End | but you don't allow cross table, so that limits how complicated you could make it severely :P |
| 22:37.21 | Adys | End: I tested that a bit, it looked pretty harmless. Im applying filters in groups of 3, and breaking once I reach 0 items |
| 22:38.37 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: why is that? |
| 22:39.15 | Esamynn | on 2nd though, perhaps I don't want to know |
| 22:39.21 | Esamynn | s/though/thought/ |
| 22:39.49 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, listening to sad songs while doing so is...well sad |
| 22:39.57 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 22:41.40 | bleeter | cog|work: Tim Minchin??? RAWRRRRRRR!!!! |
| 22:41.52 | cog|work | cowers |
| 22:42.03 | Esamynn | bleeter: that's an odd noise for a sheep |
| 22:42.08 | cog|work | onoes i escared of teh rawr. i need a huggle |
| 22:42.18 | Esamynn | punts cog|work |
| 22:42.19 | bleeter | Esamynn: what can I say, I'm an odd sheep |
| 22:42.24 | cog|work | wheeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:42.38 | Esamynn | bleeter: that's an understatement |
| 22:44.00 | bleeter | And if I may conjecture a further objection love is nothing to do with destined perfection. The connection is strengthened the affection simply grows over time. Like a flower, or a mushroom, or a guinea pig, or a vine, or a sponge. |
| 22:44.08 | bleeter | Or bigotry |
| 22:44.10 | bleeter | or a banana |
| 22:44.34 | bleeter | cog|away: thanks for the reminder, I needed a giggle ;) |
| 22:45.16 | cog|away | :) |
| 22:45.40 | bleeter | btw, http://thechive.com/2009/06/daily-afternoon-randomness-62209-20-photos/random-police-love-10/ |
| 22:45.50 | bleeter | take note of point #6 |
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| 22:46.58 | Dewin | hmm... |
| 22:47.00 | Dewin | ~devtools |
| 22:47.00 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 22:47.04 | Shirik | curious; freenode disabled mibbit |
| 22:47.27 | Dewin | "Why isn't it in the default client yet?" --> the Blizzard_DebugTools addon in 3.2? |
| 22:47.31 | mikma | yeah, woohoo. |
| 22:47.40 | Thunder_Child | at what point do the legacy weapons become pointless? |
| 22:47.54 | bleeter | Shirik: http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/ |
| 22:48.00 | Shirik | I read it |
| 22:51.19 | mikma | now i did too |
| 22:51.24 | mikma | 2mins wated |
| 22:51.30 | mikma | wasted* yey |
| 22:53.13 | bleeter | http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=320 |
| 22:53.23 | bleeter | so they've actually started to take steps to fix up their client, at least |
| 22:53.24 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: what do you mean? |
| 22:53.55 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, i assume at some point blues/epics become better |
| 22:54.06 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: the point that RatingsBuster tells you there's something better you can get? |
| 22:54.07 | Thunder_Child | about what level or ilevel does that happen? |
| 22:54.37 | Dewin | bleeter: Except the item you replace it with might not continue to stay better |
| 22:54.42 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 22:54.45 | Thunder_Child | as has happened |
| 22:54.49 | Dewin | Personally, I'll probably keep mine until at least 70 |
| 22:54.55 | Dewin | if not ~77-78ish |
| 22:54.58 | bleeter | my rule of thumb is 'Go nude to 80, then get some friends to drag you through a heroic'. So I'd just use it until MAXLEVEL |
| 22:55.21 | Thunder_Child | friends? what are thoes? |
| 22:55.23 | bleeter | anything else is a waste of time/effort |
| 22:55.38 | Hjalte | bleeter: I feel the same way. So I disenchanted all the epics my priest had when it was still worth gold and sold all the shards. |
| 22:56.42 | bleeter | Hjalte: the increased ease of levelling etc. has made it far more doable these days, imo |
| 22:57.25 | Hjalte | I'm not sure when I'll level him, as I also have a few other alts, but if I do, I might just pick up some green gear for him. |
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| 23:06.39 | cog|work | http://www.perpetualkid.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3670 |
| 23:10.23 | bleeter | Hjalte: to my way of thinking, one just levels with any old crap on. If you want to instance, get a good group. The definition of a good group? One that plays within any known limitations, and that includes gear 'greenness', hence... Go nude! :D |
| 23:10.51 | bleeter | people get WAYYYY too hung up on gear |
| 23:11.09 | bleeter | I think it's more than likely caused by penis envy |
| 23:12.03 | Hjalte | You have to admit that you feel sad because mine is bigger than yours. |
| 23:12.43 | Esamynn | http://xkcd.com/194/ |
| 23:16.50 | bleeter | Hjalte: not really, 'coz I'm in the future. To me, size doesn't matter 'coz I'll be in before you! :P |
| 23:17.14 | Hjalte | Not if I never leave! ... |
| 23:19.14 | jnwhiteh | no sign of enGB yet =/ |
| 23:22.20 | Esamynn | is bored |
| 23:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a mirror for the enUS osx patch yet? >.> |
| 23:24.11 | Thunder_Child | lol, MoBo review |
| 23:24.11 | Thunder_Child | Pros: Great board. Does exactly what I needed it to do. |
| 23:24.12 | Thunder_Child | Cons: Can not cook/clean. Not made of solid gold. |
| 23:25.55 | Esamynn | that's a deal breaker alright |
| 23:27.02 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: games.on.net may hold it, lemme look |
| 23:27.26 | Cidan | eh? |
| 23:27.29 | Cidan | OS X patch? |
| 23:27.32 | Esamynn | hmm, do I want to play Fallout 3 when I get home, or do the Fire Festival stuff on WoW? |
| 23:27.33 | Cidan | oh |
| 23:27.44 | Cidan | Fire Festival! |
| 23:27.48 | Cidan | Fallout 3 isn't going anywhere |
| 23:28.02 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: hmm nah, odd... they seem to have everything else back to 1.12.0 |
| 23:29.22 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* $360 just to get 12gb of ram |
| 23:30.07 | Cidan | and you need 12 gigs why? |
| 23:30.32 | Thunder_Child | i dont. just like i dont need a computer that can play any game at max res....but i want it |
| 23:31.03 | ZorbaTHut | how are you spending $360 on 12gb of RAM? |
| 23:31.15 | Cidan | No kidding. |
| 23:31.17 | Thunder_Child | 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224 |
| 23:31.40 | ZorbaTHut | oh, DDR3 |
| 23:31.52 | Thunder_Child | all the i7 boards use ddr3 |
| 23:32.19 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147%201052346024&name=12GB%20(6%20x%202GB) here have some cheaper options :P |
| 23:33.40 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: seems like... 6 GB is enough for everything! |
| 23:33.52 | Thunder_Child | i idle at 2gb |
| 23:33.53 | NeoTron | more seriously though, so far I've been pretty ok with 6 GB |
| 23:34.09 | Thunder_Child | thats only with a dual core, and i planing to go quad |
| 23:34.13 | Thunder_Child | i am* |
| 23:35.07 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i am unsure as to why OCZ's platinum kits is cheaper than the gold kit |
| 23:35.11 | NeoTron | last I checked, number of cpu's didn't affect memory usage ;-) |
| 23:35.40 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, no, but i can have more things runing w/o slowing down my system |
| 23:36.31 | Arrowmaster | how would you get 12gb of ram into any consumer computer thats not an i7 |
| 23:36.42 | Esamynn | 6GB is plenty for most purposes |
| 23:36.42 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: most likely... by having an i7? :P |
| 23:36.46 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...this is |
| 23:37.17 | Arrowmaster | 4 sticks of 3gb? do they even make 3gb sticks of ddr2? |
| 23:37.25 | Esamynn | not to my knowledge |
| 23:37.51 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: you can get better timings for cheaper than that |
| 23:38.09 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, so i saw |
| 23:38.26 | Esamynn | I love my core i7 |
| 23:38.45 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: you buy memory in triplets |
| 23:38.55 | Arrowmaster | for i7 systems |
| 23:38.57 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: I swear my mobo has 6 slots too so 6 slots of 2 GB |
| 23:38.59 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, though it looks like you could get 3 sticks of 4gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147%201052323986&name=8GB%20(2%20x%204GB) |
| 23:39.02 | Arrowmaster | not for pre i7 systems |
| 23:39.07 | NeoTron | ah |
| 23:39.12 | Esamynn | indeed |
| 23:39.27 | Arrowmaster | everything that uses ddr2 is dual channel though, getting 3 sticks would be very bad |
| 23:39.30 | Esamynn | i7 systems are the first to support 12GB ram, afaik |
| 23:39.32 | Thunder_Child | though for a whole lot more |
| 23:39.46 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, no there are 3 slot ddr2 mobos |
| 23:39.53 | Thunder_Child | unusual but there |
| 23:40.00 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 23:40.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah but those are still dual channel |
| 23:40.14 | Arrowmaster | and the 3 slot is actually kinda common i thought |
| 23:40.17 | Esamynn | yah, seems to me that would defeat the purpose of dual channel |
| 23:40.36 | Arrowmaster | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000170147%201052129233%201052346024&name=12GB%20(6%20x%202GB) |
| 23:40.41 | Arrowmaster | cheap 12gb |
| 23:41.58 | NeoTron | it does |
| 23:42.02 | Arrowmaster | geil and patriot are the only cas7 on there, and theres a cas8 ocz |
| 23:43.14 | Thunder_Child | cas 7 ocz |
| 23:43.20 | Thunder_Child | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227421 |
| 23:43.38 | Arrowmaster | out of stock |
| 23:43.49 | Thunder_Child | few 2 weeks |
| 23:43.53 | Thunder_Child | fer* |
| 23:44.47 | Arrowmaster | why are you only looking at ddr1600 |
| 23:45.51 | Thunder_Child | not only |
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| 23:49.10 | Arrowmaster | if you are willing to attempt to combine two 6gb packs, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231230 continues to be the best timings for the price ive seen for 6 months and going |
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| 23:54.02 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17899680776&sid=1 UI section updated |
| 23:55.01 | jaxdahl | so the quest UI is double-paned now |
| 23:56.47 | jaxdahl | hooray, iriel is working on the 3.2 thread now: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031134556&sid=1 |
| 23:58.31 | KarlKFI | er... wow. they doubled all block values |
| 23:58.37 | KarlKFI | that's hot |
| 23:59.19 | KarlKFI | and i thought the shield of rightiousness change was a nerf... i guess it was just aocmpensation... still a buff tho |
| 23:59.37 | Esamynn | KarlKFI: indeed |
| 23:59.49 | Arrowmaster | "New druid art for cat and bear forms has been added. There are now five unique color schemes for each form and faction. Changing hair color (night elves) or skin tone (tauren) via the barbershop will change the look of one's cat and bear forms." |
| 23:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr |
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