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| 00:38.04 | Shirik | Someone needs to explain this to me |
| 00:38.17 | Shirik | I can get UPS shipping, 2-day, for $20.85 |
| 00:38.46 | Shirik | I can get UPS shipping, 3-day, for $5.50 |
| 00:38.49 | Shirik | Alternatively, I can get FedEx "Saver" shipping (3-5 days) for $17.40 |
| 00:39.01 | Shirik | where does the "Saver" part come in? |
| 00:39.34 | Iriel | There may be different delivery restrictions (evenings/weekends/PO-boxes/etc) ? |
| 00:39.54 | Iriel | There are some regions that aren't served as well (at all?) by UPS or FedEx |
| 00:40.04 | Shirik | I'm also missing this one |
| 00:40.12 | Shirik | 3-day UPS: Estimated Friday, June 26 |
| 00:40.19 | Shirik | 2-day UPS: Estimated Wednesday, June 24 |
| 00:40.21 | Iriel | Presumably the "Saver" is with respect to Fed Ex's other rates |
| 00:40.49 | Shirik | oh Iriel's here! Hey Iriel, I assume you have a tripod |
| 00:40.58 | Shirik | any particular recommendations, or just "what you think is right for your needs"? |
| 00:41.56 | Iriel | I have a Manfrotto that I like a lot, though I went through quite a few cheaper (and significantly lighter) ones first |
| 00:42.07 | Iriel | weight is an important consideration |
| 00:42.32 | Shirik | Same name I'm looking at right now |
| 00:42.35 | Iriel | I like those with quick release heads (where you screw a plate into your camera, and then it snaps into the head and can snap out again) |
| 00:42.43 | Codayus | I've got a pretty chunky Manfrotto. It's bullet-proof, and awesome...but...a bit heavy. |
| 00:42.51 | Iriel | THat way if you have several tripods, or several cameras, they're rapidly interchangeable |
| 00:42.54 | Shirik | Weight is extremely important to me because I plan to be doing some hiking with it. Not a ton, but some |
| 00:43.08 | Shirik | So I'm looking at this base |
| 00:43.09 | Shirik | http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=584476&is=REG |
| 00:43.25 | Iriel | This is a 190XDB tripod |
| 00:43.38 | Iriel | With a 486RC2 head |
| 00:43.44 | Shirik | with http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=272449&is=REG |
| 00:43.45 | Shirik | hey same head |
| 00:43.46 | Shirik | :) |
| 00:44.24 | Iriel | It doesn't have an arm, that's the only negative (not even really negative, just 'note') on the head |
| 00:45.16 | Shirik | I was looking at the 190XDB for a bit |
| 00:45.20 | Shirik | but the height ended up scaring me away |
| 00:45.22 | Codayus | Mine: http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=detailsdisc&sku=BG3223N |
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| 00:45.26 | Shirik | Don't you have to worry about bending over a lot? |
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| 00:45.41 | Shirik | Ok that's something else that's been bothering me. Is Adorama and BH Photo the same company? |
| 00:45.50 | Shirik | Because they do things almost completely identical |
| 00:45.55 | Iriel | Shirik: Bending over? |
| 00:45.59 | Shirik | despite having differently styled sites |
| 00:46.13 | Shirik | Iriel: Max height says it's under 60" on the 190XDB |
| 00:46.18 | Shirik | lua> 60/12 |
| 00:46.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: 5 |
| 00:46.22 | Shirik | so 5 feet |
| 00:46.28 | Codayus | Different I think. |
| 00:46.54 | Codayus | Just very very similar markets and audiences. |
| 00:47.03 | Shirik | but I mean even their icons are the same |
| 00:47.11 | Shirik | and they have the same "pay later" option |
| 00:47.57 | Iriel | Shirik: Fully extended it brings the viewfinder to eye level for me, so it's fine |
| 00:48.12 | Shirik | huh |
| 00:48.32 | Iriel | The head adds a couple of inches |
| 00:48.37 | Iriel | the camera a couple more |
| 00:48.40 | Shirik | true |
| 00:48.55 | Shirik | have you used it with telephoto at all? Any problems with needing a counterweight? |
| 00:49.02 | Iriel | If you wanted to be able to have the camera way up there then I would imagine you'd want a taller one |
| 00:49.20 | Iriel | I have not needed a counterweight, but I use the lens bracket when i'm shooting with my tele |
| 00:49.30 | Shirik | oh you have a lens bracket |
| 00:49.45 | Iriel | Both my tele and macro came with one |
| 00:49.52 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:49.54 | Shirik | cool :) |
| 00:50.10 | Shirik | so I should look into that when I pick up a telephoto lens |
| 00:50.16 | Shirik | not important for now |
| 00:50.22 | Iriel | if the lens is long and heavy it SHOULD come with one |
| 00:50.48 | Iriel | esp. since the collar to connect the lens to the bracket needs to mate with the lens somehow |
| 00:51.17 | Iriel | I'm surprised by the listed weight on the carbon fiber tripod |
| 00:51.19 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 00:51.20 | Shirik | raid in 10 minutes |
| 00:51.24 | Iriel | it seems heavier than i'd expect |
| 00:51.26 | Shirik | needs to watch time more closely |
| 00:51.46 | Shirik | very strange living on the west coast |
| 00:51.47 | Iriel | I like that the 3223 lists 2 entirely different weights on the adorama site |
| 00:52.45 | Shirik | Well anyway I'm pretty much set on http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=584476&is=REG#specifications |
| 00:53.06 | Shirik | It should be tall enough for sure, and it's the only match between height and weight and folded length that I could find good |
| 00:53.17 | Shirik | 2' is a little longer than I had hoped but it's good |
| 00:53.30 | batrick | Shirik: Chess? |
| 00:53.35 | Shirik | boy |
| 00:53.40 | Shirik | (20:51:15) (@Shirik) oh shit |
| 00:53.40 | Shirik | (20:51:17) (@Shirik) raid in 10 minutes |
| 00:54.23 | batrick | I just got here : / |
| 00:54.31 | batrick | besides, are you incapable of multitasking!? |
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| 00:58.26 | BigRedBrent | hello, I am not sure if anyone can help me or not, I am trying to figure out how to have my addon know what arena team I am on at the end of a match so that it may know if I have won the match or not |
| 00:58.58 | BigRedBrent | finding out what team color has won should be simple, but I can not find out how to know what team color I am on |
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| 01:03.52 | BigRedBrent | hello |
| 01:04.39 | Arrowmaster | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#battlefield |
| 01:04.42 | Arrowmaster | its somewhere in there |
| 01:06.15 | Arrowmaster | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBattlefieldScore |
| 01:09.05 | Arrowmaster | might be a better way, no clue |
| 01:09.05 | BigRedBrent | ok, so that gives me the faction, just what I was looking for, now I was wondering if I am using the correct event UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS |
| 01:09.20 | BigRedBrent | is that for just battlegrounds, or will it fire after an arena match as well |
| 01:13.40 | BigRedBrent | will I need to cycle through GetBattlefieldScore until I find my players name, or can you find out what number your player is any other way? |
| 01:14.04 | Arrowmaster | loop through it checking the name i guess |
| 01:15.08 | Arrowmaster | im not really sure about the event, i know it used to be completely fucked up and it was extremely hard to figure out that kinda stuff because it wasnt always correct at the time whatever event fired |
| 01:15.24 | BigRedBrent | I wish they would have keept GetBattlefieldArenaFaction, I think that would have been more useful to me for this, :P |
| 01:18.07 | BigRedBrent | do arenas use different servers like battlegrounds? I mean can someone have the same name as you like they can in battlegrounds |
| 01:18.37 | Arrowmaster | should be able to but the name would have the server in it |
| 01:18.41 | BigRedBrent | is it safe to go only by player name for arena info is what I mean? |
| 01:20.18 | BigRedBrent | or will I need to know what syntax is used for the name with the server? if they are from another server is it only the name of the other player that is changed with the server name appended |
| 01:21.49 | BigRedBrent | I geuss if my name is never changed then it should still be safe to use GetBattlefieldScore() == UnitName("player") |
| 01:22.23 | Iriel | I would imagine so |
| 01:23.01 | Arrowmaster | default ui seems to use this |
| 01:23.04 | Arrowmaster | event == "UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_SCORE" or event == "UPDATE_WORLD_STATES" |
| 01:23.25 | Arrowmaster | and calls a function that ends up checking if there is a winner and if so showing the frame |
| 01:23.48 | Arrowmaster | so it should be correct if you use those events |
| 01:24.24 | BigRedBrent | ah, I might as well call them all, just to be sure, :P |
| 01:24.45 | BigRedBrent | not much code will be used just to see if I won or not |
| 01:24.48 | Arrowmaster | but it could get called more than once at the end of the match |
| 01:25.27 | BigRedBrent | yeah, but I will only have it set that I won if GetBattlefieldWinner() is not nill |
| 01:26.09 | Arrowmaster | right but the frame that shows the scores does a request for updated info on every frame draw and that could cause the events to fire again |
| 01:26.09 | BigRedBrent | and I will also be checking for what kind of instance, pvp or arena |
| 01:28.12 | BigRedBrent | ok, well I will just have it ignore the call if I have already collected winner information |
| 01:28.42 | BigRedBrent | does that only call the function when the frame is shown, or durring a match? |
| 01:29.00 | Arrowmaster | only while its shown |
| 01:29.35 | Arrowmaster | i would suggest testing it by waiting around until you get forceably ported out of the bg |
| 01:30.31 | BigRedBrent | will UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_SCORE work for bg's as well, would you suggest I use UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_SCORE for both bg's and arena |
| 01:30.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:34.05 | BigRedBrent | that should work fine since GetBattlefieldWinner() will only return a value if someone has won, and I will just ignore the call if I have already collected information, and the information is going to be used and then cleared after the PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD event, this should work just fine, thank you for your help |
| 01:36.56 | batrick | loves his new laptop. |
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| 01:46.00 | Iriel | batrick: What a coincidence, I love my old laptop 8-) |
| 01:46.35 | kd3 | grr |
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| 02:08.44 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:08.45 | kd3 | http://www.break.com/index/tanker-implodes.html |
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| 02:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, I open microsoft.com under firefox on linux |
| 02:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i.microsoft.com/global/En/us/PublishingImages/Marketing_Assets/Marketing_Component/EIE_bg_msgLead.png |
| 02:17.28 | Torhal | Bwah |
| 02:17.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Appears on top of the webpage |
| 02:17.56 | Shirik | win |
| 02:18.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Way to list three pieces of software I can't even install |
| 02:18.36 | Shirik | so why were you going to microsoft anyway? |
| 02:18.46 | Shirik | it's not like they can detect your OS |
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| 02:19.04 | Shirik | or does firefox's identification string show the OS? |
| 02:19.08 | AbsolutRayne | Ho hum |
| 02:19.12 | ScytheBlade1 | it does in my case |
| 02:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It also lists that it is a 64-bit build |
| 02:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Which doesn't really exist on windows officially |
| 02:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.microsoft.com/upgrade/ |
| 02:22.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That detects it properly and says "sorry, not for you" |
| 02:22.55 | Shirik | is Windows 7 stil in RC? |
| 02:23.04 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 02:23.08 | Shirik | so I can download it? |
| 02:23.27 | Shirik | My MSDN subscription expired and I don't feel like renewing it right after purchasing $5000 of camera equipment |
| 02:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 02:23.32 | batrick | I have to reinstall Vista on my laptop to apply a BIOS update : / |
| 02:23.35 | Shirik | sigh |
| 02:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It /was/ public for a week or two I think |
| 02:24.30 | Iriel | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx |
| 02:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh it's stull public? |
| 02:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I could have sworn that they closed it after getting an outright overwhelming response |
| 02:25.51 | Iriel | I think they did withdraw it for a while |
| 02:27.01 | Shirik | "Thank you for testing the Windows 7 Beta. You're playing an important role in helping deliver the best version of Windows yet. Now, we hope you'll join us for the next part of the Windows 7 journey, testing the Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC)." |
| 02:27.04 | Shirik | how do they know that >.> |
| 02:27.15 | Shirik | oh I guess I'm logged in |
| 02:32.29 | batrick | pukes a little. |
| 02:33.12 | batrick | Hey Shirik I thought you were raiding! |
| 02:33.17 | Shirik | I am |
| 02:33.30 | Shirik | doing iron council hard mode |
| 02:56.04 | durcyn | gah |
| 02:56.16 | durcyn | wowi's "fuck you prefetching" page really needs to have a cache expiration set |
| 03:00.21 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:00.27 | Shirik | it has one |
| 03:00.33 | Shirik | actually, it doesn't really need to have one |
| 03:00.41 | Shirik | It's an error page. Your browser should not cache it |
| 03:00.55 | Shirik | If your browser is caching it (which I am aware that this is a problem) it is violating the HTTP specification |
| 03:04.58 | durcyn | squid is caching it :( |
| 03:05.25 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: depends if its setup as a redirect to an error page or an actual error page |
| 03:06.13 | Shirik | it's an error page |
| 03:06.13 | Shirik | unless it has changed since the last time this was reported |
| 03:06.13 | Shirik | it has the correct HTTP header, et c. |
| 03:06.13 | Shirik | iirc it's a 400-class error, may be 400 exactly |
| 03:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It redirects to a *static* error page for a reason. Drops load, and prevents refresh spam. |
| 03:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | People often take "try again in a moment" with a bit of leeway and spam refresh on such pages endlessly |
| 03:07.29 | Arrowmaster | so the url in the location bar changes? |
| 03:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 03:07.59 | Arrowmaster | right so a 400 class error is not being delivered for the original page |
| 03:08.03 | Arrowmaster | but a redirect |
| 03:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc yes |
| 03:08.44 | Arrowmaster | if its a temp redirect like it should be then yeah it would be squids fault but this kinda thing is to be expected |
| 03:08.46 | Shirik | any suggestions on how to test this |
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| 03:43.27 | kd3 | oh man I love 1-shotting level 80 mobs |
| 03:43.55 | Thunder_Child | and it porn speaks thats really disgusting |
| 03:44.19 | Thunder_Child | s/it/in/ |
| 03:52.32 | Shadowed | random taint question, there's no way to avoid the taint on FocusUnit from UnitPopup_OnClick, even if the menu was created from a secure env somehow? |
| 03:56.40 | Shirik | kd3! |
| 03:56.43 | Shirik | linux man |
| 03:56.50 | kd3 | hm? |
| 03:56.54 | Shirik | wget -vS "--header='X-moz: prefetch'" http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9341-Chamois.html |
| 03:56.59 | Shirik | does not trigger the prefetch redirection |
| 03:57.03 | Shirik | see anything wrong with it? |
| 03:58.44 | kd3 | fires up wireshark |
| 04:01.41 | kd3 | you sure that's the right header? |
| 04:04.43 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 04:04.45 | kd3 | ponders |
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| 04:05.35 | Shirik | I don't really have a good way of verifying that the wget command is correct |
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| 04:06.18 | kd3 | it is. it's sending the header properly. I'd need to see a mozilla example to double-check but it should trigger your prefetcher warning |
| 04:07.17 | Shirik | that's just what I saw online |
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| 04:07.19 | Shirik | that's the header it sends |
| 04:07.36 | kd3 | ya |
| 04:07.43 | Arrowmaster | what is this suppost to stop the prefetching from? google search result pages? |
| 04:08.11 | Shirik | I believe from the wowi search page |
| 04:08.28 | Shirik | but I don't really know |
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| 04:09.02 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/116439 |
| 04:09.08 | kd3 | what your wget invocation sent |
| 04:12.28 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: but prefetching is something that has to be enabled in both the browser and on the page |
| 04:12.40 | Shirik | really? |
| 04:12.43 | Arrowmaster | does the wowi search page use google? |
| 04:12.45 | Shirik | well I don't know where it comes from then |
| 04:12.46 | Shirik | no |
| 04:12.57 | kd3 | it's enabled in moz by default. are you using <link rel="prefetch"/> tags on wowi? |
| 04:13.01 | Arrowmaster | because google does prefetching on its first page of results |
| 04:20.05 | Arrowmaster | ok google used to but i dont see anything in the source of a results page now unless they are writing it into a document with javascript |
| 04:22.51 | Shirik | I thought browsers did it on their own |
| 04:22.58 | Arrowmaster | never |
| 04:23.34 | kd3 | nope |
| 04:23.53 | Arrowmaster | hmm i wonder if google is sending a Link: header now since i dont see any referece to prefetch in their results page source |
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| 04:29.31 | Thunder_Child | well then, the programs you can get with cracking teh iphone/touch is <3 |
| 04:30.12 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ok it seems fasterfox does enable prefetching on all links which goes against the draft |
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| 04:34.04 | Shirik | I'm not sure why that should be against any standard |
| 04:34.45 | Arrowmaster | because the page should specify what should be prefetched, not the browser guessing |
| 04:34.54 | Shirik | I'm not sure I'd call it a "guess" |
| 04:35.00 | Shirik | I'd call it more of a "just in case" |
| 04:35.55 | Shirik | like, what exactly is wrong with a browser going out and getting all the pages |
| 04:35.57 | Shirik | ahead of time |
| 04:36.10 | Shirik | GET requests are not supposed to cause side effects |
| 04:38.58 | tekkub | I'll case you side effects |
| 04:39.04 | tekkub | s/ca/cau/ |
| 04:39.17 | Iriel | I'm with Shirik on this one |
| 04:41.51 | Iriel | A browser can pre-fetch whatever it wants, certainly the providing site can throttle connections from one client if it thinks they're being greedy, but the idea that pre-fetching requires permission/direction from a page is silly. Now, the use of prefetch information in a page is pragmatic to help browsers know what's likely to be worth fetching. |
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| 04:44.54 | Arrowmaster | if you want it to go that way then the entire thing needs to be standardized with a standard (an neutral) header being sent to indicate a prefetch and probably a new 400 error code to indicate the server doesnt want prefetching so dont try again, and to prevent a prefetch block getting cached |
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| 05:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2009-06-22 |
| 05:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | offhand - anyone know if LootSlot() has been protected at all recently? |
| 05:49.02 | NightHawkTheSane | afaik, no. |
| 05:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | if anything it'd have been at the last major patch, I think |
| 05:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | weird, helping a friend debug an addon |
| 05:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (Fun to do without an account, btw) |
| 05:49.49 | ScytheBlade1 | And it isn't working right |
| 05:49.53 | ScytheBlade1 | just the same, thanks |
| 05:49.56 | NightHawkTheSane | at the least, it works typed into a /script command :P |
| 05:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 05:50.31 | Shirik | it can't be, ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:50.33 | Shirik | my addon still works |
| 05:50.41 | Shirik | HOWEVER |
| 05:50.48 | Shirik | you can't go nuts with it |
| 05:50.52 | Shirik | I had to add a delay between calls to LootSlot() |
| 05:51.00 | Shirik | oh wait, no, I'm using GiveMasterLoot(), nm :/ |
| 05:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, slightly different usage |
| 05:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | gently pats Shirik |
| 05:58.44 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahahaha |
| 05:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1276613&cid=28415955 |
| 06:02.18 | Shirik | I AM VICTORIOUS ONCE MORE |
| 06:02.22 | Shirik | declares victory over batrick |
| 06:02.34 | batrick | lmao |
| 06:02.42 | Shirik | though I'm not sure why |
| 06:02.46 | Shirik | I expected him to die, not just lock up |
| 06:03.42 | batrick | That's really odd |
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| 06:09.57 | Thunder_Child | hahahahahaha...wow...IED in med/psych is Intermittent explosive disorder |
| 06:10.10 | Shirik | ...wtf |
| 06:10.14 | Dagmar | A little more extreme than Tourettes |
| 06:10.32 | Thunder_Child | but in combat ied is Improvised Explosive Device |
| 06:10.35 | Thunder_Child | thats whats so funny |
| 06:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That must be absolutely confusing when mixed with, yeah, those |
| 06:10.54 | Shirik | someone had too much fun when coming up with that name |
| 06:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "And today, we had another IED explosion in Iraq.." |
| 06:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "... what?" |
| 06:11.18 | Thunder_Child | is redundant |
| 06:11.18 | ScytheBlade1 | s/explosion/event/ |
| 06:11.22 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 06:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I caught that |
| 06:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | little slow, had a mild migraine all day |
| 06:11.44 | Thunder_Child | :( poor baby cair |
| 06:11.52 | Thunder_Child | s/cair/scythbalde1/ |
| 06:11.56 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1* |
| 06:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, Cair and I are winners of the migraine game |
| 06:12.15 | Thunder_Child | old habits and all |
| 06:12.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And by winners I mean... not |
| 06:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The funny thing is, I've had these so long that most of the time I just give up entirely and do stupid stuff |
| 06:16.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Like eat sugar based foods while I have a mild migraine |
| 06:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it help? No! Does it make it hurt more? Yes! |
| 06:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ... but I don't care =] |
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| 06:18.24 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, how well do you know chem? |
| 06:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | chemistry? The basics |
| 06:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd go with not overly well |
| 06:19.47 | Thunder_Child | most food are sugar based :) |
| 06:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me rephrase |
| 06:20.07 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 06:20.09 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: When I have a headache, I tend to hit my head a few times |
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| 06:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | glances down at the popsicle wrappers |
| 06:20.13 | Shirik | it works fairly well |
| 06:20.13 | Thunder_Child | i know what you meant |
| 06:20.19 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 06:20.28 | Shirik | and that's not a joke, exactly |
| 06:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: totally honest, I've rubbed a towel into my eyes after showering, because the pressure felt amazing. Then I woke up with scabs around my eyes and my eyelids peeling |
| 06:21.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It actually /helped/ |
| 06:21.40 | Shirik | I think the justification is that pain elsewhere detracts from your brain noticing the pain in your head |
| 06:21.42 | Shirik | something like that |
| 06:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | The right pressure in the right place |
| 06:21.51 | Shirik | I'm not a biologist, but it makes sense to me |
| 06:21.59 | Fisker | you cannot stop me Shirik |
| 06:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it definitely wasn't that |
| 06:22.33 | Shirik | kill -SIGSTOP Fisker |
| 06:23.38 | Fisker | kernel panic Shirik |
| 06:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | He's got you there |
| 06:24.02 | Shirik | you know, there's a key combination in windows that causes a kernel panic (blue screen) |
| 06:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl+scroll, scroll |
| 06:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Enabled it by throwing the right registry key in the right place, depending on the device |
| 06:24.36 | Shirik | yah |
| 06:24.45 | Shirik | very useful actually |
| 06:25.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ohh, slashdot has openid |
| 06:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I just noticed this |
| 06:25.54 | Shirik | HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\kbdhid\Parameters, CrashOnScroll = (DWORD) 1 |
| 06:26.05 | Dagmar | Awesome feature. |
| 06:26.15 | Shirik | I do happen to like the other value that's in there |
| 06:26.22 | Shirik | WorkNicely = (DWORD) 0 |
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| 06:30.50 | Shirik | lmao |
| 06:31.04 | Shirik | look at comment from sciamannikoo: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-Portable-Chroma-Key-Screen-Bluescreen/ |
| 06:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | while (scanMaster9000ULTRA.hasNext()) { superString = superString + " " + scanMaster9000ULTRA.next(); System.out.println(superString); } <-- on a 300kB book |
| 06:31.13 | Shirik | (important to figure out what the article's about first) |
| 06:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Man I had forgotten how awesome this guys code is |
| 06:31.36 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 06:31.50 | Shirik | wait wtf |
| 06:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go |
| 06:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you got it |
| 06:32.53 | Shirik | I should start writting code like |
| 06:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | He came and asked why it was taking so long to read in a small file, and why it eventually ran out of memory |
| 06:32.58 | Shirik | Scanner scanEagle = .... |
| 06:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | No, no you should not |
| 06:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:33.23 | Shirik | why not :( |
| 06:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly I meant the method of reading files |
| 06:33.58 | Shirik | is good |
| 06:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen some pretty good comments in your code, I'm not against a couple awesome variable names popping up |
| 06:34.07 | Shirik | it's more than one byte at a time |
| 06:34.10 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 06:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes it is |
| 06:34.20 | Shirik | that reminds me |
| 06:34.24 | Shirik | we need to fix your build |
| 06:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | We do |
| 06:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | To the PMs! |
| 06:34.35 | Shirik | I think I have some stray variable names around |
| 06:34.39 | Shirik | I'd have to do some searching |
| 06:34.43 | Shirik | I would have forgotten them by now |
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| 06:37.51 | Wobin | http://blip.tv/file/2261825/ |
| 06:37.59 | Wobin | Buffy Summers Vs Edward Cullen |
| 06:42.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: 2m in and there's not nearly enough vampire slaying :( |
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| 06:55.08 | Wobin | it's supposed to highlight how creepy and stalkering Edward is |
| 06:55.18 | Wobin | (apparently, some people needed it pointed out) |
| 06:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* the editing was good, but the subject matter was rather.. boring |
| 06:56.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: go create the minion installer category |
| 06:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | GO |
| 06:57.43 | Shirik | kd3: ping |
| 06:58.07 | Shirik | or anyone else well-versed in wikification |
| 06:58.19 | Shirik | what is the easiest way to do a revert? I've been told to pick out the version to revert to, hit edit, then save with edit comment "rvv" is that correct? |
| 06:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | generally |
| 06:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | "rv: [reason]" is cool too |
| 06:58.41 | Shirik | that works for all wikis not just wikipedia? |
| 06:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | it'll work for a lot of them, yes |
| 06:59.05 | krka | i was going to say http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html but you wrote your question before i had time :( |
| 06:59.38 | Shirik | I was getting there! |
| 06:59.39 | Shirik | damn |
| 06:59.53 | Shirik | I know I hit 100 wpm but I'm not speedy gonzalez |
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| 07:02.23 | Wobin | wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub |
| 07:03.59 | Shirik | wubs Wobin |
| 07:04.22 | Wobin | I miss Forum2000 =( |
| 07:04.38 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker. |
| 07:05.19 | Thunder_Child | MORE COWBELL! |
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| 07:11.36 | Dagmar | Eek. WTB empty quest table |
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| 09:00.07 | Cruciformer | mornin all |
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| 09:45.51 | bleeter | kd3: I have determined that my favourite part of Fedora these days, is the package 'gnome-python2-gnome'... hopefully by F13 or 14 we'll have gnome-python2-gnome-python-gnome etc. |
| 09:46.13 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: slashdots openid like all other fsdn sites majorly fails though and doesnt follow the specs, and they seem to have no intention to fix it since they have put the blame on whatever library they are using instead of using a different one or writing it themselves |
| 09:47.49 | Arrowmaster | and im not refering to a minor issue, my openid's arent even recognized by the system |
| 09:54.34 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: FSDN's been crap since the late 90's, hence many old hands who know about stuff like that actively up and left in the early 2000's. Only thing it's useful for these days, really, is thinkgeek |
| 09:55.20 | bleeter | Pidgin/Gaim were the largest user of SF.net... only thing it's good for is a free mirroring service ;) |
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| 09:56.06 | Ose | so, has anyone made a bonfire addon yet? |
| 09:56.20 | Arrowmaster | i still use slashdot as my home page and main news source since i generally dont care about most other news, but i done read or post comments very much anymore |
| 09:56.30 | Arrowmaster | i hate SF.net with a passion |
| 09:56.40 | bleeter | el reg > /. |
| 09:56.41 | Arrowmaster | its like theyve done everything they can to make it shitty |
| 09:56.57 | Dagmar | Well, you COULD always submit some patches |
| 09:57.08 | Dagmar | It works well enough to get Dropline out the door |
| 09:57.08 | Arrowmaster | no i couldnt |
| 09:57.09 | bleeter | TEH HORRA!!! |
| 09:57.25 | Arrowmaster | because the issues require complete rewrites |
| 09:58.16 | Dagmar | So... write them a new uploading system |
| 09:58.26 | Dagmar | I *know* you're beefed about how jacked up it is |
| 09:58.29 | Arrowmaster | uploading system? |
| 09:59.12 | Dagmar | I despise the way one has to upload binaries to them |
| 09:59.27 | bleeter | Dagmar: with the utmost respect, pidgin/gaim users > dropline users... I suspect there's some disjoint in the convo here ;) |
| 10:00.49 | Dagmar | I don't see what the big problem excepting their upload system |
| 10:01.33 | Dagmar | Their site's a bit ugly, but it works and it's free |
| 10:02.03 | Arrowmaster | the design of the site has turned to total shit |
| 10:02.03 | bleeter | well the final nail for me was when they brought in the SVN migration and couldn't even get my project lead's name right |
| 10:02.18 | bleeter | let alone his contact details, etc. etc. we were all just 'well screw this, they can't even do a simple DB lookup' |
| 10:02.38 | bleeter | we even gave them two or three goes to get it right |
| 10:03.20 | bleeter | so sure, might've improved in last 5 years.. but.. previous 5 years were enough for me to avoid it like the plague forever more |
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| 10:48.48 | cncfanatics | Is it just me that can't download anything from wowi atm ? |
| 10:48.54 | cncfanatics | I click download and nothing happens |
| 10:49.52 | cncfanatics | Someone ? >.> |
| 10:51.28 | spode | works fine here |
| 10:51.46 | cncfanatics | I'm guessing the antibot check is somehow circumventing while I don't see it |
| 10:51.52 | cncfanatics | slaps firefox in the face |
| 10:52.01 | cncfanatics | Anyone could download tomtom & upload it somewhere I can get it ? :p |
| 10:53.20 | msou| | Do guilds really have some sort of an imaginary currency the more you raid the better your chances to loot? thing is each one of them have offspec and he loot the thing just because he's been in the guild more than the new comers for instance |
| 10:53.28 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: : 1 second :> |
| 10:53.37 | msou| | I find it weird wouldn't loot something if it is offspec unless no one elses wanted it |
| 10:53.40 | cncfanatics | [SW]Dodge: already got it, don't worry |
| 10:53.44 | [SW]Dodge | ah ok |
| 10:53.45 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 10:54.02 | cncfanatics | msou|: That's how most guilds work yes |
| 10:54.05 | msou| | Any EU players here by thr way? |
| 10:54.13 | msou| | cncfanatics: fair enough |
| 10:54.15 | cncfanatics | is an EU player |
| 10:54.17 | VonhintenHOME` | We use EPGP, a revolving priority system |
| 10:54.24 | msou| | What server? |
| 10:54.24 | VonhintenHOME` | and offspec loot is free |
| 10:54.38 | cncfanatics | I'm currently not activly playing any characters |
| 10:54.50 | cncfanatics | Playing a low level shaman on ravencrest atm pretty much |
| 10:54.53 | msou| | no I mean if your main spec needs that item and I the older player need it for offspec I don't think I have right to loot it |
| 10:55.05 | VonhintenHOME` | I agree |
| 10:55.30 | cncfanatics | msou|: The mainspec person would get it in most loot systems |
| 10:55.35 | msou| | anyway... is deadly gladiator back better than |
| 10:55.36 | VonhintenHOME` | We have people that are designated offspecs though, and they take offspec priority over the general offspec rolls |
| 10:55.48 | msou| | cload of the goushing wound? |
| 10:55.56 | VonhintenHOME` | people that frequently have to tank, or heal, but mostly DPS |
| 10:56.18 | msou| | I got dualspec yesterday now trying to get the gear for it from hcs |
| 10:56.54 | msou| | or the day before dunno... need to check the talent tree for tanking/glyphs and the one-handed sword/axe from tournament or two handed wep is better |
| 10:57.49 | msou| | agility is useless for dks in'it? |
| 10:58.19 | VonhintenHOME` | I wouldn't say useless |
| 10:58.33 | msou| | Hmmm |
| 10:58.37 | msou| | Not necessary |
| 10:58.38 | VonhintenHOME` | crit is pretty important for DPS, and dodge is pretty important for tanking |
| 10:59.16 | msou| | like I don't have good back armor I just bought deadly gladiator "it's pvp" and I do pve |
| 10:59.22 | msou| | more hit rating and more ap |
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| 10:59.55 | msou| | yeah will buy that trinket from dalaran once I go tank for the first time and buy the belt from there two plus the neck/sigil |
| 11:00.27 | msou| | I honestly don't know the tanking tree how it should look like for a dk |
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| 11:00.54 | Fisker | slaps msou| around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:00.58 | Fisker | slaps bleeter_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:01.00 | msou| | :( |
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| 11:02.16 | msou| | Wish I have the motivation to do more mining I'd make the feet/helmet myself |
| 11:07.19 | VonhintenHOME` | several different tanking specs |
| 11:07.26 | VonhintenHOME` | depends on how you want to play |
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| 11:08.16 | Cruciformer | VonhintenHOME`: I saw u said you use EPGP earlier. Is that at all a motivator for people to show up so they arent decayed? Or do you use it for other reasons. |
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| 11:11.35 | VonhintenHOME` | Cruciformer, to be honest, my guild is a mixture of casual, semi- and fully- hardcore players... the one thing they all agree on is fair and transparent looting practices... as long as they understand the system, and it makes an effort to spread gear out to people that put in the effort, they're good |
| 11:12.24 | VonhintenHOME` | Is it a motivator to show up? I wouldn't guess so.. we decay 10% a week, it's hardly noticable |
| 11:12.33 | VonhintenHOME` | the hardcore people show up like normal, the casuals don't |
| 11:13.11 | Cruciformer | ah. We use suicide kings currently to distribute loot which gets a lot of loot nice and evenly spread throughout the guild but there is little "disincentive" for not showing up |
| 11:13.35 | Cruciformer | but yeah the issue is the same. the hardcore people show up and the casuals dont |
| 11:13.50 | msou| | VonhintenHOME`: Several ways? |
| 11:14.10 | VonhintenHOME` | Sure, there are tanks of all 3 trees |
| 11:14.22 | Torhal | I don't get to raid in my current guild unless someone doesn't show up and I happen to be online and am asked to fill in. |
| 11:14.38 | VonhintenHOME` | The DK's in my guild are mostly Blood and Unholy though.. Frost is pretty poor with threat |
| 11:14.52 | Torhal | So my loot progression == nil. |
| 11:14.57 | msou| | VonhintenHOME`: Frost I suppose are the most desirable. |
| 11:15.14 | msou| | Oh! |
| 11:15.30 | Cruciformer | the big problem we are facing is the server is full so we cant get any outside talent in, and its hard to recruit existing talent becuase a lot of people have joined 10-man ulduar guilds and dont seem to want to leave them to do 25 unless you have yogg on farm |
| 11:15.42 | Cruciformer | so finding people to help us over the mimiron hump has been very difficult. |
| 11:15.49 | msou| | Hmmm I think Blood would be my second choice cause unholy is for full dps |
| 11:15.54 | VonhintenHOME` | Cruciformer, trust me, it's happening on every server, everywhere.. it's the summer season |
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| 11:16.02 | msou| | Cruciformer: what server and EU? |
| 11:16.16 | VonhintenHOME` | Every single top 10 guild on my server has recruiting posts on the message board |
| 11:16.21 | Cruciformer | VonhintenHOME`: yeah .... wtb more southern hemisphere raiders that play on US realms :) |
| 11:16.50 | msou| | VonhintenHOME`: I don't care you're the top guild or at the very bottom.. play have fun and of course do something not get the entire raid wipe |
| 11:17.13 | msou| | But I get your point, now help me understand that talent tree for tankers dks |
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| 11:17.43 | VonhintenHOME` | I wish I could, but I don't play a DK, and know very little about their talents... |
| 11:17.55 | VonhintenHOME` | Best advice would be to check out a top DK tank on your realm and see their spec |
| 11:18.32 | Cruciformer | msou|: Greymane, US |
| 11:18.40 | msou| | hmmm how do you check that though? I don't deal wit hthe forums cause generally speaking 90% of it > crap |
| 11:18.52 | VonhintenHOME` | www.wowarmory.com |
| 11:18.54 | bleeter | slaps Fisker around with an orange bellied parrot |
| 11:19.24 | VonhintenHOME` | can also use www.wow-heroes.com to find the best geared DK's on your realm |
| 11:20.22 | msou| | yeah but how do you keep track on guilds who's the best etc |
| 11:20.38 | Cruciformer | www.wowprogress.com is a good place |
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| 11:22.37 | Cruciformer | k its nap time. bbl. |
| 11:22.45 | msou| | Thanks |
| 11:22.56 | msou| | yeah checking the guilds trying to find its members |
| 11:23.20 | msou| | right |
| 11:23.24 | VonhintenHOME` | Here's the spec one of my guild's DK's uses: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Garona&n=Seenitdunit&group=1 |
| 11:24.16 | msou| | Weird, thought frost if you want to go tanking |
| 11:24.40 | VonhintenHOME` | frost suffers from very weak threat |
| 11:24.51 | Grum | msou|: guildox.com tracks 10m stuff as well |
| 11:25.26 | Grum | and wow-heroes appears to be not working :( |
| 11:25.48 | VonhintenHOME` | I was just on it |
| 11:26.10 | Grum | mm maybe something more is broken here o.O |
| 11:26.43 | msou| | I think blood would suit me more for tanking |
| 11:26.49 | msou| | Unholy is my main for dps |
| 11:27.47 | VonhintenHOME` | That same Dk uses a modified blood spec for DPS as well |
| 11:28.00 | msou| | Yeah some do |
| 11:29.59 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Magtheridon&cn=Clozern&gn=Ensidia |
| 11:30.12 | msou| | One of the best on EU I found from wowprogress |
| 11:30.26 | msou| | frost talent tree all the way |
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| 11:32.40 | msou| | also is two-handed wep better than a one-handed wep like to axes |
| 11:32.47 | msou| | gives you more defence etc |
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| 11:38.07 | mikma | so, anyone knows any free lightweight html editors? :) |
| 11:39.03 | Dagmar | Crimson Editor. Vim. |
| 11:40.05 | Industrial | vim |
| 11:40.41 | mikma | is wim wysiwyg? |
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| 11:44.02 | msou| | oi, if I set the talent tree for offspec I cannot re-adjust it right? |
| 11:44.10 | msou| | unless I pay some gold |
| 11:45.04 | Grum | yes |
| 11:45.11 | msou| | bah |
| 11:45.49 | nevcairiel | all like without dual spec .. except that you now have 2 trees |
| 11:46.02 | Xinhuan | any editor that is wysiwyg is no longer "lightweight" ;p |
| 11:46.33 | msou| | I did set my talent tree for tanking, not sure if it is right |
| 11:46.45 | msou| | and have to get the glyphs dunno which |
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| 12:03.46 | msou| | hmm how do I reset my secondary taloent tree do I have to set it up and then reset it? |
| 12:03.49 | msou| | unlearn I mean |
| 12:04.04 | msou| | paid 45 and it did for my primary :/ |
| 12:04.58 | Elkano | did you switch to it first? |
| 12:05.14 | Grum | sigh you can only 'unlearn' the active one obviously ;) |
| 12:05.32 | msou| | right |
| 12:05.35 | msou| | and no elkano |
| 12:06.01 | msou| | I did now |
| 12:06.13 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Magtheridon&cn=Fenita&gn=Ensidia |
| 12:06.41 | msou| | Decent talent tree for tanking you guys think? |
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| 12:19.40 | Zyndrome | that's not a tank tree :< |
| 12:19.56 | Zyndrome | no blade barrier, no frigid dreadplate, etc |
| 12:23.48 | msou| | Hmmm.. strange one of the best players on EU |
| 12:24.12 | msou| | and what I understood when I started unholy full dps 2 blood and frost last and mainly for tanking |
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| 12:51.05 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i fucking cant stop laughing at this weeks HnG |
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| 12:52.00 | Lopeppeppy | The forward fell off the old lounge channel again. That will teach me to update my work accounts, won't it? |
| 12:52.30 | zenzio | heh |
| 12:52.35 | zenzio | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:54.40 | Fisker | HnG? |
| 12:54.55 | Fisker | or snould i say HNNNNNNNNG? |
| 12:56.02 | Grum | Arrowmaster: this statement needs an url! ;) |
| 12:56.33 | Arrowmaster | if you dont know what it is you wouldnt get it, plus its a tv show |
| 12:57.11 | Grum | which one? :( |
| 12:57.54 | Fisker | fuck you Arrowmaster |
| 12:57.56 | Fisker | i hate you so much |
| 12:58.07 | Arrowmaster | ~Fisker-- |
| 12:58.12 | Fisker | infact i'd guess it's you who murdered my neighbour |
| 12:59.28 | Grum | Arrowmaster: what is the full name? :( |
| 12:59.53 | Arrowmaster | Hayate no Gotoku 2nd Season |
| 13:00.03 | Grum | ah anime :) |
| 13:01.48 | Fisker | NERD! |
| 13:02.05 | Grum | at least i know what to download now ;) |
| 13:02.43 | Arrowmaster | lol start with the first season other wise it might not make any sense at all |
| 13:02.53 | Grum | yeah found them |
| 13:02.59 | Grum | 52 eps, quite a lot :) |
| 13:03.13 | Arrowmaster | so funny though |
| 13:03.22 | Grum | :) |
| 13:04.41 | Arrowmaster | theres a Gundam Seed Destiny parody in HnG 2nd ep 12 that i just couldnt stop laughing when it started because its so perfect yet i never saw it coming |
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| 13:07.37 | Arrowmaster | it ranked up there with my uncontrolable laughter from the inital d parody in lucky star |
| 13:07.58 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: If you want to make their heads explode, FLCL is the way to go. |
| 13:09.11 | Arrowmaster | FLCL is just weird, now Excel Saga makes MY head explode |
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| 13:14.48 | Torhal | I only watched the first couple of episodes a few years ago...definitely brain-melting. |
| 13:15.18 | Arrowmaster | ive only seen the first 2, i cant watch any more |
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| 13:51.12 | robertj | Heya all, does anyone know of an addon that will sync friend notes via globalcomm? |
| 13:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | As in, synch your friend notes with those of other players? |
| 13:52.39 | robertj | Yes |
| 13:53.49 | robertj | I just can't believe it isn't one of the top 10 mods really |
| 13:54.15 | robertj | What could possibly contribute more to an instance run than "don't pug this healer!" |
| 13:54.43 | robertj | "3/15/09 Ninja'd ABC from XYZ" |
| 13:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | There are some "karma" type mods that might do that... but honestly, I don't want someone else's ideas cluttering up my own judgement. Just because Patty thinks Joe was a ninja, doesn't mean that Patty is correct, and I might have found that Patty is a pathological liar who spreads false notes when she loses a fair dice roll in a PUG. |
| 13:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | That's probably why it's not an addon I can name off the top of my head... drama and very stupidly easy to deceive. |
| 13:55.58 | robertj | Lopeppeppy: that's true, but you would limit it to friends |
| 13:56.21 | robertj | and if not you would be smart enough to use some kind of smart-FOAF |
| 13:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | I think most people just prefer to run their own karma things. |
| 13:57.16 | robertj | but are there any that will help sync with guild or friends? |
| 13:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | Probably, go troll the addon sites for "friends" and "karma" and "notes" and so forth, see what comes up. |
| 13:59.49 | robertj | is a big-believer in MaximumFlow metrics |
| 14:01.57 | robertj | not seeing a bunch |
| 14:03.10 | Pneumatus | BadApples perhaps? |
| 14:03.13 | Pneumatus | dunno if that syncs tho |
| 14:04.17 | Pneumatus | i've never wanted/needed a sync though, i use my own judgement to add players |
| 14:04.49 | robertj | Pneumatus: I play with my best friend IRL and my wife, I trust them to say "you really don't want to play with this guy" |
| 14:05.25 | robertj | btw no on BadApples it seems |
| 14:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10829-KarmaOMatic.html - does it across guild IF guildies install the addon |
| 14:06.03 | robertj | Bingo! |
| 14:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | Same for this. |
| 14:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12422-BadPlayer.html |
| 14:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | Your site search fu is weak. |
| 14:06.38 | robertj | I used it all |
| 14:06.51 | robertj | I used my monthly alloted 10000 searches all last Fir |
| 14:06.53 | robertj | err Friday |
| 14:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. I'll remember that next time and not help. |
| 14:07.18 | mikma | lopeppeppy: lal |
| 14:07.31 | robertj | it can happen to you too! |
| 14:07.45 | Fisker | i didn't kill my wife |
| 14:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah, one small step for Fisker, one giant step for mankind |
| 14:08.42 | robertj | Stage 2: Denial |
| 14:09.27 | mikma | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=infinite+searches |
| 14:10.19 | robertj | haha thats nice |
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| 14:11.17 | robertj | I spent 4 hours last week divining over the phone that this guy had PHP & MySQL reversed in his PATH order and it was causing PHP to cough a hairball 50% of the time due to a dll mismatch |
| 14:11.40 | robertj | so I suspect I may be compu-shunned rightn ow |
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| 14:16.20 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:18.35 | kneeki | WOOT! Just got my Mechano-hog ! :D |
| 14:19.28 | mikma | woothano |
| 14:19.41 | kneeki | I'll get all the ladies with this one for sure! |
| 14:31.12 | Shirik | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/us_to_trade_gold_reserves_for?utm_source=a-section |
| 14:34.23 | robertj | I picked up my T8 helm & offset gloves yesterday |
| 14:34.28 | robertj | was a happy boy |
| 14:34.47 | kneeki | Grats! |
| 14:34.52 | kneeki | Ulduar is fun stuff =) |
| 14:35.33 | robertj | I'm still not sure how much +def over the cap is |
| 14:35.36 | robertj | err is worth |
| 14:36.09 | bleeter | why the hell did I get pinged on badapples??? |
| 14:36.13 | bleeter | boggles |
| 14:36.22 | ZorbaTHut | robert, it's actually quite a good stat. it's either slightly better or slightly worse than dodge |
| 14:37.10 | Fisker | i didn't kill Shirik |
| 14:37.18 | ZorbaTHut | er, actually, lemme rephrase that a little |
| 14:37.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's either slightly better or slightly worse than dodge for warriors |
| 14:37.38 | ZorbaTHut | I think paladins are in a similar situation, and death knights like it somewhat less |
| 14:37.49 | ZorbaTHut | (it's pretty much terrible for druids) |
| 14:37.51 | Shirik | Druids are happier with dodge imo |
| 14:38.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, druids are happier with almost anything. out of the five things defense gives you, druids can't make use of three of them. |
| 14:38.19 | Shirik | In fact, I never even got to the def "cap" back in BC |
| 14:38.30 | Shirik | and I was tanking mag/etc. pre-nerf |
| 14:38.38 | Shirik | I did a lot with resilience instead |
| 14:38.38 | mikma | dodger dodger dodger dodger MUSHROOM |
| 14:38.58 | robertj | I'm not happy with tanking mechanics in general right now |
| 14:39.10 | Shirik | I don't think anyone is |
| 14:39.12 | robertj | SB needs a total rework |
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| 14:39.33 | robertj | I'm really thinking "meh, I could have 3 more stam if I give up this 9 dodge" |
| 14:39.33 | Cruciformer | Shirik: what class? |
| 14:39.35 | kneeki | Warlocks need more threat reduction =\ |
| 14:39.54 | kneeki | Or, have a really high threat pocket tank that will fit within my pocket |
| 14:39.59 | Bruners | warlocks needs to wait a bit before putting up dots |
| 14:40.11 | kneeki | pssh |
| 14:40.18 | robertj | You need a better hunter for MD :P |
| 14:40.22 | mikma | every char with "WAR" in the classname need to wait |
| 14:40.27 | ZorbaTHut | robert, I think they're a whole lot more awesome than they used to be |
| 14:40.29 | kneeki | I was doing Ulduar 10 General hard mode last night, fucking druid tank was putting out 3k TPS =\ |
| 14:40.33 | kneeki | I was getting really upset |
| 14:40.39 | Kalroth | lol |
| 14:40.54 | ZorbaTHut | kneeki, yeah, our competent warlock is regularly riding me on threat, I feel kind of sorry for him |
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| 14:41.04 | kneeki | mhmm |
| 14:41.05 | ZorbaTHut | he's become my #1 vigilance target and it just doesn't help |
| 14:41.06 | Kalroth | l2p Zorba! |
| 14:41.17 | robertj | Soul-shatter doesn't keep him in-line? |
| 14:41.21 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: you are wrong about DKs liking it less. |
| 14:41.30 | kneeki | Without Vigilance + MD or Tricks (or both!) I will easily out TPS most any tank |
| 14:41.30 | Legorol | Defense is better for DKs than Dodge, because of two factors: |
| 14:41.31 | Kalroth | We've got a warrior tanking Hodir 25 man hard mode and he doesn't have aggro issues, so :p |
| 14:41.43 | Legorol | 1) defense spreads the love evenly, so is affected slightly less by DR |
| 14:41.46 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, I'm geared for mitigation, not threat :( we're doing progression and it's going slowly |
| 14:41.50 | Legorol | 2) extra defense makes your IBF stronger |
| 14:42.16 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, (1) is true for warriors also, and (3) death knights can't block. But yeah, (2) might overcome (3) |
| 14:42.22 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, you really need 2 sets of armor; mitigation and TPS, the difference is huge |
| 14:42.30 | robertj | ZorbaTHut: Glove Reinforcements, Armsman, Agility, or Expertise? |
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| 14:42.45 | ZorbaTHut | robert, glove reinforcements are one of the best tanking enchants in the game |
| 14:42.46 | Kalroth | agility for mitigation, armsman for tps |
| 14:42.47 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: in my current gear, swapping between the 84 defense and 84 dodge trinkets, i get more total avoidance with the 84 defense trinket |
| 14:42.53 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: that's how hard DR hurts |
| 14:43.01 | Cruciformer | anyone here a druid tank? |
| 14:43.23 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: yeah, I guess the uhhm, 240 armor is better than agi enchant |
| 14:43.26 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, alright, fair enough |
| 14:43.31 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, it's been buffed, it's 800 now |
| 14:43.32 | robertj | I really need to get a lucky roll of on Last Laugh tonight |
| 14:43.34 | ZorbaTHut | oh wait |
| 14:43.37 | Kalroth | er |
| 14:43.39 | ZorbaTHut | glove reinforcements - the leatherworker one |
| 14:43.44 | ZorbaTHut | sorry, my mistake. I'm not sure in that case |
| 14:43.48 | Kalroth | ah |
| 14:43.50 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: if there was no DR, dodge would be ever so slightly better on paper. IBF is still a factor to consider though, and a very strong one. |
| 14:43.50 | robertj | 250armor |
| 14:43.50 | ZorbaTHut | (i was thinking about the engineer enchant :P) |
| 14:44.06 | Legorol | Each defense skill (i.e. 4.92 defense rating) gives an extra 0.15% damage reduction to IBF |
| 14:44.08 | Legorol | that's quite a lot |
| 14:44.09 | robertj | whats DR & IBF? |
| 14:44.14 | ZorbaTHut | my spreadsheet recommends glove reinforcements anyway, but not by a huge margin |
| 14:44.22 | Legorol | Diminishing Returns and Icebound Fortitude |
| 14:44.26 | robertj | oh |
| 14:44.36 | ZorbaTHut | heavy borean armor kit immediately after that, followed by agi and armsman |
| 14:44.45 | Legorol | DR is the fact that the more avoidance you already have, the more it takes to increase it by 1% |
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| 14:45.02 | Legorol | IBF is a very powerful DK ability that is currently OP (hence getting nerfed in 3.2) |
| 14:45.04 | robertj | I may opt for stam |
| 14:45.12 | robertj | I'm not having anything except soakability issues |
| 14:45.24 | ZorbaTHut | if you're having any trouble staying alive, it's real hard to find a better stat than raw stamina |
| 14:45.39 | ZorbaTHut | at least, in raids |
| 14:45.42 | Legorol | i think armsman is horrible |
| 14:45.47 | robertj | We aren't near hard-mode yet and I've never seen a healer OOM |
| 14:45.48 | Legorol | if you are having threat issues, extra 2% won't help you |
| 14:45.54 | Legorol | and if you don't have threat issues, who cares |
| 14:45.59 | ZorbaTHut | I know my healers are rarely saying "we just can't heal you fast enough" and are usually saying "holy shit you just died" |
| 14:46.03 | Cruciformer | My only troublr as bear tank is initial threat generation if we have impatient mages / warlocks going full tilt right off the bat |
| 14:46.09 | robertj | My wife's priest healed in Ulda 10 with 11 hrs played at 80 |
| 14:46.13 | ZorbaTHut | (when it's a tanking issue, which, increasingly, it isn't :( ) |
| 14:46.23 | mikma | i'm still looking for pvp addon that alerts me if my target has some nasty buff on (spell reflection on warrior, etc) |
| 14:46.31 | robertj | (yeah, we really needed a fort in the guild :P) |
| 14:46.36 | ZorbaTHut | best thing in the world: spell reflecting death grip |
| 14:46.43 | Legorol | rofl |
| 14:46.45 | mikma | i know |
| 14:46.49 | mikma | it's awesome. |
| 14:46.52 | ZorbaTHut | I just never get tired of that |
| 14:46.52 | foxlit | mikma: try my quality Brain 2.0 |
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| 14:47.08 | robertj | I never do PVP but I could see how that would be satisfying |
| 14:47.08 | mikma | foxlit: too bad you don't have that online :/ |
| 14:47.08 | foxlit | (ffs, guards still random-pvp-tag you) |
| 14:47.24 | robertj | I did go back and get my Deadmines achievement the other day and 1-shot Smite for fun |
| 14:47.34 | foxlit | It's almost as if they got a bonus ability to tag people for pvp. |
| 14:47.36 | robertj | Could never manage to do it on my 70-lock |
| 14:48.03 | foxlit | what, no soul fire? |
| 14:48.16 | mikma | i bet this is one of those "you want something done? do yourself!" -things |
| 14:48.27 | mikma | just need a list of the nasty buffs on targets ^^ |
| 14:48.34 | foxlit | Probably. |
| 14:48.41 | foxlit | I just add things I care about to my UF's highlight list |
| 14:48.55 | mikma | paladin bubble, warrior spell reflection .. |
| 14:49.02 | robertj | Does Spell reflect reflect onto your party or onto the boss btw? |
| 14:49.08 | foxlit | If you can't see a bubble, you have bigger problems :) |
| 14:49.11 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: interestingly, EH stats (Hp, armor) are incorrectly overstacked by many tanks claiming to be doing so for progression, and they ignore avoidance. |
| 14:49.20 | ZorbaTHut | robert, it reflects onto whoever casts it |
| 14:49.25 | mikma | foxlit: it's not the seeing, it's the realizing! ;) |
| 14:49.42 | mikma | try catching a dorf in a bubble while doing 3vs3 lol |
| 14:49.53 | robertj | I thought that was the case but I swore I thought I saw something reflect onto a player once |
| 14:49.55 | Legorol | Here is where they often go wrong: they often stack sta which won't help them take extra hits from the boss. However, more avoidance instead woudl decrease the chance of repeated hits, and would increase the chance of some or all healers getting a heal in to top you up |
| 14:50.19 | cncfanatics | Legorol: afaik you need a balance of everything |
| 14:50.25 | Legorol | indeed cncfanatics |
| 14:50.26 | robertj | Improved Spell Reflect seems like a very good talent for warrior-OTs |
| 14:50.28 | Mikk | Stamina is something you need "enough" of for a given boss |
| 14:50.28 | robertj | but I never see it |
| 14:50.28 | foxlit | need to move to a single-stat dydyrm got ysnkd. |
| 14:50.36 | Legorol | many mediocre tanks don't understand the power of avoidance |
| 14:50.45 | Mikk | Once you've got enough of it, you can go for avoidance |
| 14:50.47 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, avoidance should definitely not be forgotten |
| 14:50.47 | foxlit | And that is what happens when you misalign fingers before typing. |
| 14:50.52 | Mikk | But you can't go under the cap for a given boss and hope avoidance will keep you alive |
| 14:50.53 | Legorol | the argument that i see tossed around a lot is that avoidance is not guaranteed and that you can get unlucky and not dodge |
| 14:51.02 | Legorol | but that's the wrong way of thinking |
| 14:51.03 | robertj | Mikk: My healers outgear me consistantly so I don't worry much |
| 14:51.15 | Mikk | Typically, you need enough stamina to take two max hits from a given boss |
| 14:51.21 | Mikk | Or a nasty special + 2 hits |
| 14:51.24 | ZorbaTHut | if I had the option to change every point of dodge/parry into a point of stamina, I'd probably take it, but in reality, stamina isn't *that* much better than the alternatives |
| 14:51.36 | ZorbaTHut | sacrificing two points of dodge for one point of stam is just silly |
| 14:51.37 | Legorol | the point of avoidance is to decrease the times when you get repeated hits in a row, thereby decreasing the chance that repeated hits in a row overlaps with some other event that is drawing away the tank healers' attention |
| 14:51.37 | robertj | I had my first encounter with Mimron last night |
| 14:51.59 | Mikk | Mimiron is a nice case where stam wins |
| 14:52.08 | Mikk | You can't avoid the blast damage |
| 14:52.17 | Legorol | indeed Mikk |
| 14:52.18 | Grum | you can? |
| 14:52.22 | Legorol | but that's a special case |
| 14:52.22 | Grum | run out of the cone and you can avoid it |
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| 14:52.33 | Legorol | but Mikk, on 25-man, you can't survive it without cooldowns anyway |
| 14:52.35 | robertj | Legorol: its a special case that I'm seeing all the time |
| 14:52.42 | Legorol | robertj: i disagree |
| 14:52.45 | ZorbaTHut | checking my stats, if I could turn all my dodge/parry/defense/bv into stam, I'd end up with about 50,000 HP unbuffed, which I feel might very well be worth it. But it's not like I have that choice ;) |
| 14:52.55 | Legorol | tanking Mimiron P1 is the only fight for which I stack up on stamina |
| 14:53.01 | Legorol | all the other bosses favour avoidance imo |
| 14:53.03 | robertj | it is kinda like saying that the special case in naxx25 is that you can't find 2 priests to MC or you can't find someone who can competantly do the back in Gluth |
| 14:53.07 | nevcairiel | Legorol: sure you can survive without cooldowns, at least our bear can :) |
| 14:53.09 | Grum | Legorol: cooldowns work better |
| 14:53.17 | Legorol | Grum: we do both |
| 14:53.22 | Legorol | stack sta *and* use loads of cooldowns |
| 14:53.25 | _rane | could it be possible to create "another" focus? possibly using some edit macro magic, macros can't be edited in combat, though :/ |
| 14:53.36 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i'm not saying you can't survive |
| 14:53.37 | robertj | I haven't sold off my Shieldblock gear, but I've not yet said "man, I need more SB on this fight" |
| 14:53.42 | Legorol | any tank can survive without cooldowns in theory |
| 14:53.43 | Grum | _rane: target and focus that is about it :) |
| 14:53.49 | robertj | I rarely hit my CDs |
| 14:53.51 | Legorol | there are enough healers to put out enough HPS to counter the blast |
| 14:53.54 | Mikk | Depends a bit on the healers. 3 druids healers max hotting the tank and spamming nourish during the flame = you dont need a lot of hp, nor cooldowns |
| 14:53.58 | Legorol | but that doesn't mean it's a smart way to play it |
| 14:54.00 | _rane | Grum: wat? |
| 14:54.04 | Legorol | it's a very risky strat that's prone to mistakes |
| 14:54.30 | robertj | If healers are staying at 90% mana I don't hit even shield block unless I need it |
| 14:54.33 | Grum | _rane: you cant have 2 focus targets |
| 14:54.42 | Grum | why do you want it btw? :D |
| 14:54.44 | _rane | I know you can't |
| 14:54.47 | _rane | .... |
| 14:54.49 | Legorol | robertj: if you aren't using your cooldowns, you are a poor tank |
| 14:54.53 | Legorol | cooldowns are there to be used |
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| 14:55.06 | Legorol | every time you use them (especially if used smartly) it adds redundancy to the fight |
| 14:55.18 | Legorol | and on progress, you want every bit of redundancy you can get |
| 14:55.19 | robertj | Legorol: I don't always trust my healers not to "wander" off too far into raid healing when I'm shield-walled up |
| 14:55.38 | Legorol | what??? |
| 14:55.41 | Legorol | then your healers suck |
| 14:55.47 | Mikk | Mmm fair point, a poor healer will go "oh, he doesnt need my healing anymore" and focus something else |
| 14:55.56 | Legorol | they need to understand the advantages and purposes of cooldowns |
| 14:55.56 | robertj | Thats starting to change |
| 14:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | Healers who abandon their assignments need to be beaten. |
| 14:56.04 | Grum | not every healer has a shieldwall duration bar |
| 14:56.18 | _rane | Grum: to be able to have 2 focus targets in arena |
| 14:56.35 | robertj | I'm a material tank and I'm living in a material world |
| 14:56.35 | _rane | "focus targets" |
| 14:56.42 | Grum | _rane: use arena1-5? :D |
| 14:56.49 | _rane | D:D::DD:D:D |
| 14:56.51 | _rane | no. |
| 14:56.54 | robertj | The only night we can get 10 guild folks on is Tuesday |
| 14:57.15 | Grum | why not? you can change your macros while you are not incombat right? |
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| 14:57.31 | _rane | you can't |
| 14:57.47 | Grum | they specialcased arenas? mm |
| 14:57.58 | _rane | that was introduced in 2.0 or something |
| 14:58.15 | robertj | last week was our first week in Uldar though, though we did fairly well |
| 14:58.25 | Grum | i remember changing macros in preparation, cant remember doing it actually in the arena itself |
| 14:58.40 | robertj | and this week we got to Memron, although we skipped Ignis |
| 14:58.41 | _rane | well I'm sure you can do that as long as you're not in combat |
| 14:58.50 | _rane | but not being able to do that while in combat sort of ruins the purpose |
| 14:59.10 | Grum | not in all cases, you can often target/select the proper people in time |
| 15:00.19 | robertj | last week Horim took todays, this week he was a 2-shot |
| 15:00.23 | Mikk | ignis is skip material for sure |
| 15:00.26 | robertj | three days rather |
| 15:00.33 | Mikk | as is razor |
| 15:00.37 | _rane | basically I'm just looking for a way to target the non-focus target in 2v2 with a hotkey that doesn't change |
| 15:00.39 | robertj | Mikk: I'v heard he is 50% hard and 50% bad-lootish |
| 15:00.45 | Mikk | that's about it yeah |
| 15:00.56 | Mikk | there's a few classes/specs that want his loot but... meh |
| 15:01.02 | Grum | _rane: lol just 2v2? make f1/f2 target arena1 and arena2 |
| 15:01.21 | Grum | and pick a focus target and remember if you had 1 or 2 as focus and hit the right button ;) |
| 15:01.21 | _rane | Grum: read what I said |
| 15:01.33 | Mikk | and tbh he isnt even hard these days. just dont skimp on healing and have a tank willing to stand in fire to get the adds molten fast |
| 15:01.41 | _rane | it's crucial that the non-focus target is always the same key |
| 15:01.46 | Mikk | oh and someone tearing moltens off into water |
| 15:02.09 | Mikk | he used to be a lot more nasty before 2 x nerfs |
| 15:02.10 | Grum | _rane: i think this should be doable with an addon, if you decide fast enough which one should be your focus target (ea before you are in combat) |
| 15:02.38 | _rane | Grum: except for rogues |
| 15:02.53 | Grum | yes dual stealth will fuck you up |
| 15:02.54 | _rane | or stealthers |
| 15:03.02 | Grum | but really ... how often does that happen? :D |
| 15:03.03 | _rane | just 1 stealth will |
| 15:03.07 | Grum | no? |
| 15:03.10 | _rane | yes |
| 15:03.11 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 15:03.16 | foxlit | You can decide in combat, too |
| 15:03.25 | Grum | you cant foxlit |
| 15:03.27 | _rane | you can't, because macros can't be edited in combat |
| 15:03.41 | Grum | if you see either of the 2 people you can decide |
| 15:03.44 | foxlit | So use an addon macro instead of a real one. |
| 15:03.52 | Grum | foxlit: same difference |
| 15:04.00 | Grum | you cant change them in combat |
| 15:04.00 | foxlit | No, not same difference. |
| 15:04.04 | _rane | talking about the EditMacro() API |
| 15:04.10 | _rane | which is not usable while in combat |
| 15:04.12 | foxlit | Just because you can't see how, doesn't mean that it's impossible :) |
| 15:04.16 | _rane | .... |
| 15:04.20 | Grum | blizzard restricts it |
| 15:04.22 | Grum | stop being stupid :) |
| 15:04.24 | _rane | please share your wisdom the |
| 15:04.25 | _rane | +n |
| 15:04.43 | Grum | actually rane, you can do this |
| 15:04.51 | robertj | I basically told my RL to make a B-Line for anything with Stam |
| 15:04.56 | Grum | but you will need barpaging =) |
| 15:05.17 | foxlit | As long as the decision is predictable and made by a human when it is made, you can easily do it even in combat lockdown. |
| 15:05.29 | foxlit | Attributes aren't protected from restricted closures. |
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| 15:05.42 | _rane | nah |
| 15:05.49 | Grum | and do attributes allow target settings? |
| 15:05.51 | _rane | targeting function is protected |
| 15:06.02 | _rane | macro edit is not usable in combat |
| 15:06.04 | _rane | I don't see what's left |
| 15:06.08 | Grum | bar paging :D |
| 15:06.19 | foxlit | Grum: yes. And any macro you can think of. |
| 15:07.15 | Grum | make 1 bar with '/target arena1' and one with '/target arena2' on the button of the 'other target' |
| 15:07.15 | Grum | and a button swap the bar which also does /focus arena2 or /focus arena1 :) |
| 15:07.49 | _rane | is there a function you can use on the fly to create keybindings with macrotexts? |
| 15:08.14 | Grum | that would not be usable in combat |
| 15:08.22 | Grum | but you could for example use 'spellbind' and its profiles orso? |
| 15:08.34 | robertj | Grum: if macro editing was usable in-combat people would just spam 1 button |
| 15:08.47 | Grum | lies |
| 15:08.58 | Grum | they would hit many buttons that would all do the same |
| 15:09.01 | foxlit | "Grum: that would not be usable in combat" << except from a restricted environment. |
| 15:09.15 | Grum | yes which custom code will never be able to ;) |
| 15:09.24 | robertj | I'm still not sure if I really like Freya or really dislike her |
| 15:09.27 | Grum | well this custom code |
| 15:09.33 | Grum | freya is funsies |
| 15:09.40 | Grum | except anything more than +1 on 25m >< |
| 15:09.43 | Grum | world of pain |
| 15:09.52 | foxlit | "Grum: yes which custom code will never be able to ;)" << Now you're just being silly. |
| 15:09.56 | robertj | what is the easiest 10-man hard mode? |
| 15:10.03 | mikma | hmmmh |
| 15:10.07 | Grum | xt |
| 15:10.08 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/RestrictedEnvironment |
| 15:10.30 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/pickofweek.php <- that address fails |
| 15:10.49 | foxlit | content is also ~4 weeks old. |
| 15:10.52 | foxlit | I demand a refund! |
| 15:11.11 | foxlit | er, 2 |
| 15:11.19 | Lopeppeppy | Does not fail for me.... |
| 15:11.35 | foxlit | Peppy: it's a grammar thing, not a destination thing. |
| 15:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | And June 7th isn't a full month yet. |
| 15:12.04 | Lopeppeppy | If you expect web links to be grammatical, you have more patience for typing in long, convoluted URL's than I do. |
| 15:12.08 | Grum | i think on 10m it is something like: xt->lev->hodir/council->thorim->yogg->vezax->freya->mimiron |
| 15:12.15 | Grum | from easy to hard (hardmodes) |
| 15:12.44 | robertj | Yeah, I don't think I've seen teh heart down half-way yet so I thinkwe are a ways out :P |
| 15:13.06 | foxlit | 10 vs 13 letters is hardly the difference between simple and long and convoluted :) |
| 15:13.20 | sacarasc | We've almost accidentally killed the heart a couple of times, but I doubt we could do the hard mode. |
| 15:13.38 | Grum | robertj: you dont get the dps cap for anything then |
| 15:14.00 | Grum | i think we kill the heart on 10m with ~8-12 seconds left orso |
| 15:14.09 | robertj | Avg dps like 4kish? |
| 15:14.18 | Grum | more like 5-7 |
| 15:14.28 | robertj | Avg is 2900ish |
| 15:14.28 | Grum | and 7 dps |
| 15:14.42 | robertj | and 3 healers |
| 15:14.51 | robertj | looong way to go :P |
| 15:14.54 | Grum | 1 tank, 2 healers, 7 dps (1 kitteh for offtanking) |
| 15:15.53 | Grum | we just do freya+3 with 3 healers if we have a shit night |
| 15:16.09 | robertj | do you single-tank Freya? |
| 15:16.09 | Grum | and atm trying to do mimiron hard .... that one kinda warrants 3 healers ;) |
| 15:16.30 | Grum | nah usually use a bear in kitteh clothes |
| 15:17.02 | robertj | never seen that done, but I guess it makes sense |
| 15:17.11 | Grum | seen what done? |
| 15:17.16 | mikma | lopeppeppy: try the links in the url i pasted |
| 15:17.16 | robertj | have a bear tank with cat close |
| 15:17.18 | robertj | clothes |
| 15:17.29 | robertj | how well does that work, can they do Gotthik in naxx10? |
| 15:17.31 | Aelobin | how does wow handle UTF-8 characters? <_> |
| 15:17.32 | Grum | just kitty dps in direbear form |
| 15:17.55 | Grum | robertj: yeah as far as i know they can |
| 15:18.09 | Grum | depending on the side they are on, dead is easier than living |
| 15:18.16 | robertj | really? |
| 15:18.19 | Grum | as you usually have +2 dps on the dead side |
| 15:18.33 | robertj | oh yeah, including stacking |
| 15:18.44 | robertj | I still want to do gothik with 10/0 |
| 15:19.03 | Grum | then you need tanks with aoe-taunts and lots of aoe =) |
| 15:19.29 | robertj | I love Druid tanks, I really want a druid OT |
| 15:19.41 | robertj | But I always get stuck with a Warrior, and rarely a Pally |
| 15:19.42 | Grum | druid OT is useful |
| 15:19.46 | Grum | they can do quite some dps :) |
| 15:20.03 | robertj | Grum: you can imagine that with us doing 10-man progression me stacking all the tanking gear has a big payoff |
| 15:20.05 | Grum | there is a lot of overlap between kitty gear and bear gear |
| 15:20.21 | Grum | robertj: depends if you just have 10m gear |
| 15:20.31 | robertj | I'm like 3/5 valerous |
| 15:20.36 | robertj | or 2/5 after last night with the t8 |
| 15:20.56 | robertj | but i got other mismatched stuff |
| 15:20.59 | Grum | i have no idea what tier valerous is, wasnt that 7.25m? |
| 15:21.05 | robertj | 7.5 |
| 15:21.20 | Cruciformer | even in bear form using bear gear, you can do a fair whack of AOE damage with swipe. Militar quarter in naxx is awesome for a bear. |
| 15:21.47 | Wobin | I love how swipe is 360 degrees |
| 15:21.52 | robertj | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Demon+Soul&n=Potentpotblz |
| 15:21.54 | Cruciformer | amen to that |
| 15:21.59 | Wobin | I keep having this mental image of the bear spinning around with all four paws extended =P |
| 15:22.09 | Cruciformer | lol wobin |
| 15:22.27 | Grum | it just has ass-claws |
| 15:22.28 | Lopeppeppy | Mikma, if you sent me links I didn't get them. |
| 15:22.31 | Cruciformer | is cat swipe also 360 or is it a cone? I very rarely cat an even more rarely cat swipe |
| 15:22.37 | Wobin | Grum: like Astroboy? |
| 15:22.44 | Grum | :p |
| 15:22.44 | robertj | The only gear I got below Naxx25 is sword, shield, and the HP trinket |
| 15:23.00 | sacarasc | And gun. |
| 15:23.08 | foxlit | Do the events in the game calendar have some sort of unique identifier? |
| 15:23.12 | robertj | There is a better naxx25 tanking weapon? |
| 15:23.18 | foxlit | i.e. can I detect if the midsummer fire festival is currently live? |
| 15:23.23 | Wobin | I want an addon that I can browse other alt's calender details |
| 15:23.24 | robertj | err ranged tanking weapon |
| 15:24.31 | robertj | but yes technical it is not out of naxx25 |
| 15:24.34 | Grum | robertj: much of the hardmodes are more of a healer/dps battle than tanks :) |
| 15:25.27 | mikma | lopeppeppy: |
| 15:25.34 | mikma | lopeppeppy: <1811> <+Lopeppeppy> Does not fail for me.... |
| 15:25.35 | robertj | I'm having fun now though, so that's a good improvement over 3 mo back |
| 15:25.39 | mikma | lopeppeppy: <1817> <mikma> lopeppeppy: try the links in the url i pasted |
| 15:25.51 | Grum | robertj: yeah i like how the normal modes are doable |
| 15:26.05 | Grum | and hardmodes on 10m in 25m gear take some work but are doable |
| 15:26.06 | mikma | aww poop, the first copypaste failed like the link |
| 15:26.08 | Lopeppeppy | Still going ?, mikma. The link works for me, I don't know what you mean by trying more of it. |
| 15:26.20 | robertj | making the move from 10->25 may not be possible for us |
| 15:26.23 | robertj | we will have to see |
| 15:26.25 | Grum | and the hardmodes on 25m are just stupidly hard when you get past the first 5-6 :P |
| 15:26.52 | mikma | lopeppeppy: http://www.wowinterface.com/pickofweek.php |
| 15:26.57 | robertj | WAY to many MTs on our server though, so gotta work my way up from the bottom |
| 15:27.04 | Grum | robertj: 25m hardmodes are quite a different story |
| 15:27.08 | mikma | lopeppeppy: "Try it out yourself here." |
| 15:27.19 | Grum | robertj: also be a good dpser, that is worth more than being a good MT |
| 15:27.19 | mikma | see that one :P |
| 15:27.42 | foxlit | There's no more riteclick on wowi? |
| 15:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | Link worked first time I clicked, mikma, I remember not being impressed with the grammar in the description. |
| 15:28.23 | mikma | it might have worked at some point, now it doesn't. |
| 15:28.32 | mikma | and, i'm talking about this moment ^^ |
| 15:28.50 | Lopeppeppy | So send Seerah a PM on the site, or ping her when she logs in. The pick is her baby. |
| 15:29.17 | mikma | i still stick with my words. it fails. |
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| 15:29.35 | Lopeppeppy | As you wish. |
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| 15:31.42 | Wobin | rolls after Lopeppeppy down the hill |
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| 15:32.49 | robertj | Kinda feel like we missed a real good opportunity to move from 10->25 in last month of 3.0 |
| 15:33.26 | robertj | At that point we had a bunch of folks with no ups from naxx10 who could have helped gear and been willing to sit out that period where we had way too many people for 1 10-man and not enough for 2 |
| 15:34.15 | Kraps | robertj: pug people |
| 15:34.31 | Grum | or just invite more ;) |
| 15:34.32 | Grum | or both! |
| 15:34.37 | Grum | ask alts of cool guilds |
| 15:34.51 | robertj | Our server really has turned out to be unexpectedly mediocre |
| 15:35.13 | robertj | We rolled on the most hord-heavy PVP server could find on the theory that there would be a larger hord player pool |
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| 15:36.04 | robertj | and it seemed to work out but then the top 2 guilds xferred |
| 15:36.06 | Kraps | our guild pugged some people last night, and the difference in performance between my previous server and this one is striking |
| 15:36.38 | robertj | I had a really rocking guild in TK/SSC but the server was PST and that just didn't work for me on EST |
| 15:36.51 | Grum | Kraps: good or bad difference? ;) |
| 15:36.54 | robertj | it was my first character so I didn't know there were different time-zone servers |
| 15:37.08 | robertj | I can't believe they are STILL auto-assigning folks to the wrong server clusters |
| 15:37.22 | Kraps | Grum: good, hence the move :) |
| 15:38.18 | robertj | Demon Soul is "fair" though |
| 15:39.08 | Grum | Kraps: you had that many bad people on the previous guild? or did you get lucky wit hthe first puggers you picked up? :D |
| 15:39.19 | Grum | i pug 25m Sart+X every week |
| 15:39.23 | Grum | and its fun every week ;) |
| 15:39.27 | Grum | getting asked for achievements etc |
| 15:39.37 | Grum | and your spellpower ... |
| 15:40.12 | Kraps | Grum: my last server was bad, my guild transferred |
| 15:40.33 | Grum | how good is your guild? :D |
| 15:40.47 | Kraps | :) |
| 15:41.04 | robertj | My only beef with Xfers is that you pay per-character |
| 15:41.18 | Grum | oh yeah lol |
| 15:41.27 | Grum | i felt that on my last move :( .... 13 chars |
| 15:41.30 | robertj | If you could just check everyone you wanted to go and everyone you wanted to stay and say "GO" then the price would be more reasonable |
| 15:41.32 | Grum | 260 euro .. pew ;( |
| 15:41.34 | robertj | waht? |
| 15:41.48 | mikma | .. lol wut |
| 15:41.51 | robertj | 13? |
| 15:41.56 | Grum | 13 lvl70s :) |
| 15:42.00 | robertj | to where? |
| 15:42.01 | Kraps | went up to 25 Auriaya last night |
| 15:42.06 | Grum | 1 month before LK ... |
| 15:42.18 | Grum | it was cheaper to do that than to buy the gold we moved over ... so meh |
| 15:42.21 | robertj | what did you do, swap 2 servers |
| 15:42.42 | Grum | nah 9 of my chars, 4 of my gf .. |
| 15:42.59 | Grum | and yeah we moved over after passing a trial |
| 15:43.01 | robertj | I just can't get into alts |
| 15:43.10 | Grum | if you are a raider you will ;) |
| 15:43.30 | Grum | well unless you are already set money wise :) |
| 15:43.37 | Grum | something has to farm plants/ore/somehing ;) |
| 15:43.51 | Kraps | i fell into the ravine at lologarn :( |
| 15:43.53 | robertj | Naxx10 is decent cash |
| 15:44.02 | Grum | robertj: i am talking about >100k |
| 15:44.13 | robertj | what do you need that kind of cash for though |
| 15:44.20 | Grum | to never have to worry about it again :) |
| 15:44.30 | Grum | i can just restock flasks, and 8000g later i have ~550 flasks |
| 15:44.52 | Kraps | i go tanking bracers |
| 15:44.56 | Grum | oh new runed orb items, clicky mats on the AH |
| 15:45.15 | Grum | and ofc chopper, vendormount :) |
| 15:45.19 | Grum | useful stuff! ;) |
| 15:45.36 | Grum | though after the vendormount the chopper is kinda pointless |
| 15:46.01 | robertj | Isn't there a cooldown minion from the dailys now that vendors as well? |
| 15:46.22 | Grum | euh? :) |
| 15:46.24 | robertj | All of this stuff would have been cool in Kara |
| 15:46.43 | robertj | both raids currently have very good access to repairs |
| 15:47.03 | Grum | if you are doing wipe-raids on hardmodes every minute spared is one |
| 15:47.14 | robertj | Repairbot is still there... |
| 15:47.19 | Grum | yeah ofc |
| 15:47.30 | Grum | but its easier to just wait on a repairmount at the first ulduar portal :) |
| 15:47.49 | Grum | or quickly repair at the freya entrance |
| 15:47.50 | robertj | the repair guy is like 5 sec from the portal :P |
| 15:47.54 | foxlit | Those repair sources suck, though. |
| 15:47.58 | foxlit | wru, 20% discount? |
| 15:48.05 | Grum | who cares for discount? :D |
| 15:48.13 | Grum | whooo 40g on a night cheaper .. meh :p |
| 15:48.15 | Lopeppeppy | I sure do. |
| 15:48.17 | robertj | mount has a 20% discount? |
| 15:48.24 | Grum | no mount has no discount |
| 15:48.31 | Grum | outside you have a possible exalted -20% discount |
| 15:48.33 | robertj | oh, the Ulduar ones do? |
| 15:48.40 | robertj | ohhhh |
| 15:48.45 | Grum | no the one outside @ the flightpad does |
| 15:48.51 | robertj | sons rep? |
| 15:48.55 | Grum | dunno |
| 15:49.01 | foxlit | K3 if you're lucky |
| 15:49.02 | Grum | i dont care for anyhting below 1k :) |
| 15:49.03 | Kraps | we left the towers of live and frost up by mistake at fl, after s wipe we left only frost up |
| 15:49.23 | Kraps | s/live/life |
| 15:49.26 | Kraps | s/live/life/ |
| 15:49.35 | Kraps | SHUT UP purl |
| 15:49.35 | Grum | haha ;) |
| 15:49.56 | Grum | meh when will we get a 3.2 PTR :( |
| 15:50.04 | Grum | i want to know what the prospect results are from adamantium |
| 15:50.13 | Grum | errr |
| 15:50.15 | Grum | titanium |
| 15:50.30 | robertj | 3.2 sure is coming along fast |
| 15:50.32 | Aqua | epic gems |
| 15:50.45 | robertj | or is on schedule and 3.1 was a month late more likely |
| 15:54.58 | Legorol | <Grum> it was cheaper to do that than to buy the gold we moved over ... so meh <= wrong comparison. Buying gold is not an option. |
| 15:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe that's why I care more about the faction discount. |
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| 16:03.45 | AckisWork | any former mibbit users kicking around? |
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| 16:09.09 | Fisker | I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE |
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| 16:11.23 | haste | stop being such a murderfs Fisker |
| 16:11.37 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:12.16 | haste | sony |
| 16:18.05 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:18.26 | Fisker | naw haste |
| 16:18.36 | Fisker | Someone killed my neighbour though |
| 16:18.44 | Fisker | i.e. missed their intended target |
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| 16:18.50 | AckisWork | this webchat freenode client sucks ass |
| 16:18.53 | AckisWork | it's fucking terrible |
| 16:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | So don't use it? *poke* |
| 16:19.25 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: they banned mibbit from freenode |
| 16:19.27 | AckisWork | so I have to use it |
| 16:19.43 | AckisWork | or better yet, just not use irc |
| 16:21.55 | Fisker | ragequit |
| 16:22.14 | Fisker | Think i'll harass him if he comes online again |
| 16:22.52 | nicoli_s | do it |
| 16:25.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, there are tons of IRC clients out there, not just mibbit. |
| 16:27.43 | nicoli_s | mirc! |
| 16:29.23 | mikma | nIRC xD |
| 16:32.30 | Lopeppeppy | I use Trillian's client. It's boring and doesn't do much, but it's all I really need. |
| 16:32.42 | haste | irssi! |
| 16:32.53 | Cruciformer | screen+irssi ftw |
| 16:33.26 | Aelobin | am i right in thinking WoW escapes non-link | with another | |
| 16:33.42 | haste | screen + irssi + irssi-proxy + screen == awesome :D |
| 16:33.48 | Cruciformer | wow doesn't, you have you if you want an escape link |
| 16:34.00 | Cruciformer | *you have to |
| 16:34.17 | Aelobin | hmm k |
| 16:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: weird, mine works fine |
| 16:34.46 | Cruciformer | so if you want to send a link in the clear, you use linkstring:gsub ("\124", "\124\124") |
| 16:35.15 | Lunessa | Heh, someone should tell him about Chatzilla... |
| 16:35.38 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 they banned mibbit? |
| 16:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | True, I tried that once, crashed my browser horribly... but that was like 2 years ago. |
| 16:35.50 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, they did. |
| 16:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | why? |
| 16:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | It's somewhere on the freenode blog. |
| 16:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | I forget why, but it was a pretty good reason. |
| 16:37.37 | haste | http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/ |
| 16:37.40 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: you dont have an i-name openid though |
| 16:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
| 16:38.39 | haste | oh hey, they use slugs package |
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| 16:41.42 | Lunessa | Comments on that page are harsh |
| 16:47.18 | Arrowmaster | except they deserve them |
| 16:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=327 |
| 16:47.38 | Arrowmaster | blocking mibbit is a bad move |
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| 16:49.35 | Arrowmaster | mibbit's site has claimed for a while that they have methods of passing unique identification info to the servers so either it must not be enough or freenode cant fully use it with their current setup |
| 16:52.08 | alestane | kamdis' current sig finally makes some sort of sense to me. |
| 16:52.11 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I didn't take a stance, I just said the comments were harsh. People are very bold on the internet making demands on people who give them things for free. It's a mindset that confuses me often. |
| 16:53.16 | Lunessa | Also, the expiration of battlenet cookies also doesn't seem to make sense - they expire at random intervals. |
| 16:59.24 | Arrowmaster | although it could just be a temporary political move |
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| 17:00.14 | Arrowmaster | other networks have blocked entire isps just to get the isps attention they needed to deal with a few abusive users on the isp |
| 17:00.35 | Lunessa | Yes, I've seen that happen too. |
| 17:01.04 | Arrowmaster | if it is then its already working since mibbit already responded |
| 17:01.47 | Arrowmaster | but the bad press from it will still last |
| 17:02.48 | Lunessa | Illwill, once generated, is hard to eradicate. |
| 17:03.27 | alestane | "This program crashed on me once five years ago and lost all my work so I'll never use it again." |
| 17:05.01 | alestane | But it's also hard to be behind the "We must never do anything that pisses off anyone" 8-Ball. |
| 17:05.43 | Lunessa | Yeah. I know that once bitten by something I'm reluctant to use it again. |
| 17:06.22 | NeoTron | which is why you'll never use a baby alligator as a nail clipper again? |
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| 17:08.58 | alestane | But I've also used versions of software that fixed all the issues I had with an earlier version. |
| 17:09.08 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Actually, I was using it as a lufa... |
| 17:11.05 | alestane | Just as long as I don't have to deliver them to their parents I think I'll manage. |
| 17:12.33 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, so many meetings today! |
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| 17:15.42 | Lunessa | *facepalm* I'm supposed to change this user's login and e-mail address - and they left no contact info other than the e-mail address I'm about to change. |
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| 17:21.53 | NeoTron | maybe they have forwarding set up |
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| 17:26.00 | Lunessa | NeoTron: They don't. We don't have it active. |
| 17:26.20 | Lunessa | Just going to have to wait for her to fail to login next I guess. |
| 17:29.47 | alestane | Or leave it in your inbox until she turns up demanding to know why you haven't ecxecuted it yet. |
| 17:29.51 | alestane | executed* |
| 17:30.42 | Lunessa | Nah, I finished the work. I noted that I had no way to tell her about it. I'm done. |
| 17:36.14 | Aelobin | anyone soloed Ahune yet? |
| 17:37.13 | Lunessa | No, I had the achievement already. |
| 17:38.55 | Aelobin | just tried on my 80 hunter that's never stepped foot in a raid :P |
| 17:39.02 | Aelobin | twas a rather interesting result |
| 17:39.16 | cog|work | morning |
| 17:39.47 | alestane | Aelobin: What went "*squish*"? |
| 17:40.05 | Aelobin | would be rude to say on IRC alestane ;) |
| 17:40.23 | alestane | Or more accurately, *who*? |
| 17:40.42 | Aelobin | :< |
| 17:41.42 | Lunessa | Ahune is a tough cookie. |
| 17:41.46 | NeoTron | http://xkcd.com/583/ ... lol |
| 17:41.56 | Lunessa | But my scocrhling makes me happy! |
| 17:42.27 | Aelobin | i wanna get his scythe |
| 17:43.07 | Lunessa | I need to make a little macro for the scorchling and have it say "Reth, reth reth!" when I summon it. |
| 17:43.20 | End | I was going to try soling ahune, but I made the mistake of wondering if guild chat if I was able |
| 17:43.30 | End | suddenly I had a 5man |
| 17:43.35 | End | soloing* |
| 17:44.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont have a guild chat to do that in |
| 17:44.05 | End | I still want the pet :( |
| 17:45.03 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 17:45.31 | Lunessa | Alas, Poor Arrowmaster. I knew him Horatio. A man of infinite sarcasm. |
| 17:46.08 | Lunessa | I'd off you an invite but, A) Wrong server, B) Wrong faction. |
| 17:46.27 | Aelobin | i'm considering buying frost resist gear :P |
| 17:51.41 | NeoTron | apparently the classes most likely able to do it are hybrids |
| 17:51.55 | Aelobin | they always are :P |
| 17:52.10 | Aelobin | i got him on to phase 2 |
| 17:52.21 | Aelobin | but those adds are a pain in the ass to keep under control |
| 17:52.21 | durcyn | it's pretty simple as feral |
| 17:52.58 | NeoTron | I bet I could do it on my DK and my ret pally |
| 17:53.08 | Aelobin | gogo roll moar OP classes :P |
| 17:53.14 | NeoTron | AoE - check, healing - check |
| 17:53.40 | NightHawkTheSane | really, any class with a modicum of self healing/damage prevention can probably do it at 80. |
| 17:54.03 | Aelobin | i solo onyxia on my huntard but she does like no damage =/ |
| 17:54.06 | NeoTron | which probably limits it to pally/druid/dk for the most part. maybe shaman |
| 17:54.24 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman probably could, hunters probably can. |
| 17:54.33 | End | I'm pretty sure I can do it as demo |
| 17:54.41 | End | maybe as affliction |
| 17:54.42 | alestane | My warlock can probably manage it. |
| 17:54.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i bet a lock could manage. |
| 17:54.45 | NeoTron | hunters have range issues |
| 17:54.53 | Aelobin | go try it :p |
| 17:54.56 | Aelobin | and report back lol |
| 17:54.58 | NeoTron | I guess using the aoe spell but what about healing? |
| 17:55.22 | alestane | They're all attacking the blueberry, usually, and you can heal him. |
| 17:55.46 | NeoTron | how would a voidwalker hold aoe threat? |
| 17:55.54 | NeoTron | I'd thing a felguard would work better |
| 17:56.10 | End | I think so too, but it still might be able to do it with VW |
| 17:56.19 | End | I didn't actually try though |
| 17:56.30 | alestane | I don't usually need to pour out mass damage, unless there's some kind of time limit on the fight. |
| 17:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont need to hold that much aoe threat.. the little ones go down really quickly, only the larger rock ele types have any real health |
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| 17:57.12 | NeoTron | what they should have done is to buff its level to 83 |
| 17:57.19 | alestane | It's more challenging, to be sure, but a voidwalker can hold a group if managed properly. |
| 17:57.22 | NeoTron | make it an appropriate northrend challenge |
| 17:57.33 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: agreed, yeah, but *shrug* |
| 17:58.35 | End | I think it's interesting to try to solo it |
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| 17:58.47 | End | although a lot of classes aren't well suited for that |
| 17:59.58 | alestane | Rogues have a hard time of things like that in my experience. |
| 18:00.34 | End | they have cooldowns that would make it ok if it was reasonably short |
| 18:00.42 | End | unfortunately it's multiphase, and there are adds |
| 18:00.55 | NightHawkTheSane | it would be difficult.. |
| 18:01.22 | End | personally, I think a mage would be least well suited |
| 18:01.29 | alestane | My rogue was having trouble with Bael'Gar at 70. |
| 18:01.43 | robertj | Where is Bael'Gar |
| 18:01.48 | alestane | BRD. |
| 18:01.52 | robertj | oh |
| 18:02.06 | End | yeah he has adds too |
| 18:02.15 | robertj | I couldn't cut it on either my shammy or my lock alone in BRD |
| 18:02.19 | End | he also hit kinda hard I think |
| 18:02.22 | alestane | And it's a fundamentally "Scissors vs. rock" fight. |
| 18:03.17 | End | I solo'd BRD at 70 on my warlock, although I don't know if I ever killed Bael'Gar until 80 |
| 18:03.44 | robertj | and honestly anything I have to eat/drink for I get reckless |
| 18:04.18 | alestane | I was able to do BRD on my rogue, but Bael'Gar and Thaurissan took me three tries. |
| 18:04.48 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, i know i soloed BRD on some toon, i forget if it was my pally or my shaman |
| 18:04.59 | Aelobin | hmmm... lemme find the screeny of the first time i did brd |
| 18:05.01 | NightHawkTheSane | although, if it was shaman, it was probably as resto, which is hax |
| 18:05.22 | Aelobin | at least i think it was brd... |
| 18:06.15 | NeoTron | I killed a felreaver while doing fires on my DK (ulduar 25 dps geared). it was comical |
| 18:06.27 | NeoTron | I summoned out my AotD and by the time the reaver was dead, like two of them had died |
| 18:06.50 | NeoTron | but I did notice they nerfed gripping them - when I leveled up I had to death grip one to see if flying (and I died of course) |
| 18:07.00 | Aelobin | xD |
| 18:07.10 | End | considering how scary they were at level 60 coming into northrend, it's almost comical how weak they really are |
| 18:07.19 | End | s/northrend/outland/ |
| 18:07.39 | End | also |
| 18:07.46 | robertj | purl: nothing compared to EQ1 Giants in the lowbie areas |
| 18:07.47 | End | fel reavers are goddamn ninjas |
| 18:07.51 | Aelobin | http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2714/wowscrnshot011008050153.jpg my first BRD run :P |
| 18:08.12 | robertj | imagine felreaver in westfall |
| 18:08.15 | Arrowmaster | "Devilsaur gains stealth." |
| 18:08.44 | NeoTron | I solod one at 70 on my warlock |
| 18:08.45 | Sixen | I like Devilsaurs. |
| 18:09.06 | Arrowmaster | Aelobin: good job noob, that whole room pulls if you attack the boss |
| 18:09.12 | alestane | Devilsaur gains... ...how exaclty? |
| 18:09.12 | End | ^ |
| 18:09.16 | End | bah! |
| 18:09.19 | Aelobin | Arrowmaster: i know that now :P |
| 18:09.22 | End | haha |
| 18:09.24 | End | you did find out |
| 18:09.31 | robertj | are the pats in conservatory of life linked to Freya or are they skippable? |
| 18:09.37 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i have no idea, but they're goddamn ninjas. |
| 18:09.39 | End | not linked |
| 18:09.41 | Fisker | fail Aelobin |
| 18:09.51 | Fisker | I made the same mistake |
| 18:09.54 | Aelobin | :P |
| 18:09.58 | NeoTron | robertj: pretty much all trash is skippable |
| 18:10.00 | Arrowmaster | MT in my old guild had a ironfel and flurry axe at 60 |
| 18:10.00 | End | unfortunately, people will probably not move off of seeds in p2 |
| 18:10.00 | Fisker | Except i actually killed every single stinking mob |
| 18:10.04 | End | and get thrown into the trash |
| 18:10.15 | NeoTron | robertj: except it might be bad if they pat into you, or you walk into them |
| 18:10.23 | NeoTron | plus most trash gives herbs :P |
| 18:10.28 | durcyn | robertj: they're not skippable, but if you kill them all they'll stop respawning until you soft-reset the instance |
| 18:10.31 | End | even after you tell them before pulling that that's the ONLY direction they can't get thrown into |
| 18:12.21 | durcyn | and seeds are gibs in hard mode, people damn well better move off 'em |
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| 18:12.31 | NeoTron | this week of 10 man hard will be nice |
| 18:12.36 | NeoTron | we'll have a warlock again! |
| 18:12.59 | airtonix | the disguise one gets from the quest line in the skettis, i'm pretty sure i saw someone use one that works outside of terrokar? any ideas? |
| 18:13.19 | airtonix | the diguise that turns you into an arakkoa |
| 18:13.59 | foxlit | Something about the wowace page design bugs me: I can't find the "upload file" link |
| 18:14.21 | End | isn't that by design? |
| 18:14.27 | End | I think only CF gets upload file |
| 18:14.30 | NeoTron | right |
| 18:14.39 | foxlit | Yeah, but there's no CF content for this project. |
| 18:14.57 | End | if it's a wowace project, you're supposed to deal with the repo |
| 18:15.24 | End | (and then the packager makes the zip and uploads for you) |
| 18:15.31 | foxlit | Which I don't need. |
| 18:15.47 | foxlit | Wonder if I can switch something somewhere so that it's CF-managed, not WA-managed. |
| 18:15.52 | End | yeah |
| 18:16.00 | End | poke ckknight, I think he can switch it for you |
| 18:16.15 | ckknight | waves at the nice people |
| 18:16.28 | foxlit | waves at ckknight . |
| 18:16.30 | End | ckknight: foxlit needs your help! |
| 18:16.36 | ckknight | foxlit: wowace's upload features are disabled intentionally |
| 18:16.37 | ckknight | use the repos |
| 18:16.41 | ckknight | if you don't want to, use curseforge. |
| 18:16.55 | End | I think he wants to switch a project from WA to CF |
| 18:17.01 | ckknight | very easy |
| 18:17.05 | foxlit | Got that much; can I move a project between the two? |
| 18:17.06 | ckknight | link the project with @project |
| 18:17.44 | foxlit | I'm not sure what that means. |
| 18:17.50 | End | what's the project name? |
| 18:17.55 | foxlit | http://www.wowace.com/projects/flame-warden/ |
| 18:18.01 | End | @project flame-warden |
| 18:18.05 | Repo | End: http://www.wowace.com/projects/flame-warden/. Flame Warden. Game: WoW. foxlit (Manager/Author). Updated: 25 hours ago |
| 18:19.09 | ckknight | @project flame-warden |
| 18:19.10 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/flame-warden/. Flame Warden. Game: WoW. foxlit (Manager/Author). Updated: 25 hours ago |
| 18:19.12 | ckknight | wth |
| 18:19.16 | ckknight | caching issue |
| 18:19.16 | End | lol |
| 18:19.26 | foxlit | yeah, redirects the right way now |
| 18:19.37 | ckknight | @project flame-warden |
| 18:19.38 | Repo | ckknight: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/flame-warden/. Flame Warden. Game: WoW. foxlit (Manager/Author). Updated: 25 hours ago |
| 18:19.42 | ckknight | alright |
| 18:20.10 | foxlit | Thanks, that works. |
| 18:21.59 | ckknight | I strongly recommend using a repository, foxlit |
| 18:24.43 | foxlit | I wonder what the reasons for that recommendation are. |
| 18:28.09 | foxlit | To me, smaller projects can just be managed in-place; and larger projects can be held in local git repositories -- the less development code I let escape my PC, the less I have to worry about supporting it. |
| 18:29.25 | End | I like to lose code |
| 18:30.07 | End | (I could probably do a better job of backing it up though) |
| 18:32.01 | Lunessa | Loose code is like a wandering woman. When it comes back to you, you're never really sure what happened while it was gone. |
| 18:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, as i was reading that, 'wandering' was not the word that i thought you were going to use there |
| 18:34.07 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: I think your hardware or kernel may be messed up |
| 18:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | huhwhua? |
| 18:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | What's broke now? |
| 18:35.19 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I was careful to select low-impact, unlikely to be crude terms. |
| 18:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: why do you think that? |
| 18:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks in a confused manner |
| 18:36.36 | Kaelten | dunno, it may have been my mess |
| 18:36.38 | Kaelten | I saw you say "You need to fix your hardware or your kernel (drivers)" about 15 times |
| 18:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Odd, I think I said that... yesterday |
| 18:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | No, even before that |
| 18:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | .. anyone else see that? |
| 18:39.38 | nevcairiel | Its just Kaelten and his weird setup |
| 18:39.52 | End | it goes with his awful colors |
| 18:40.01 | End | :D |
| 18:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:43.23 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: my irc client has been messing up since the major update it had a few weeks ago, I'm hoping for a big bug fix soon |
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| 18:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 18:44.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You had me scared for a moment there |
| 18:45.03 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ - Pure win |
| 18:45.16 | foxlit | Awesome. Rigging the zone flame status to the minimap zone display works. |
| 18:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | is more curious how the voting turned out |
| 18:47.23 | End | I like Tycho's face in the last panel |
| 18:49.37 | foxlit | bonfires in every wrath zone but wintergrasp and icecrown, right? |
| 18:49.48 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:49.51 | Fisker | also foxlit |
| 18:49.55 | Fisker | your addon is terrible |
| 18:50.11 | foxlit | Well... |
| 18:50.13 | foxlit | Your mom liked it? |
| 18:50.23 | Fisker | nah she uninstalled it again |
| 18:50.29 | foxlit | drat! |
| 18:50.54 | foxlit | There goes my 1 download :( |
| 18:50.55 | Lunessa | Icecrown has fires too. But... they're not tied to achievements. |
| 18:51.16 | NightHawkTheSane | none of the northrend ones are, but i didn't think icecrown had any? |
| 18:51.17 | Lunessa | Bah.. I meant Northrend, not Icecrown. |
| 18:51.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 18:52.03 | foxlit | It bugs me slightly, because now I have to figure out some way to get those zone names without localization. |
| 18:52.48 | foxlit | (my current idea is to abuse the world map hovers) |
| 18:58.32 | Aelobin | how dyou view your character transfer history? |
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| 19:02.19 | Aelobin | nvm got it :p |
| 19:03.04 | foxlit | !api CalendarGetDayEvent |
| 19:03.04 | lua_bot | CalendarGetDayEvent: Returns information about a calendar event on a given day (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetDayEvent) |
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| 19:11.10 | NeoTron | lol |
| 19:11.26 | dardack | ok having issue, i have MRMMainFrame:RegisterEvent("COMPANION_LEARNED") and MRMMainFrame:SetScript("OnEvent", MountRandomMount_Reseed) but reseed is never called when a new mount is learned |
| 19:11.31 | NeoTron | cut and paste fail |
| 19:12.03 | NeoTron | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/3p2/coliseum.xml |
| 19:12.21 | NeoTron | under Meet (some of) the Bosses |
| 19:16.55 | kd3 | Arrowmaster, this week's was pretty good. I've been looking forward to next week's for a very long time... |
| 19:17.38 | Arrowmaster | kd3: the GSD parody was so perfect yet i never saw it coming |
| 19:18.20 | Arrowmaster | although slightly censored |
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| 19:24.59 | Lunessa | Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. |
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| 19:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh - "What real-life bad habits has programming given you?" "I think 256 is a nice, round number." "I'm hyper literal - 'Do you want to take out the garbage?' (no) vs. 'Will you take out the garbage?' (yes)" "I wish I could grep my keys." "I have started writing Color instead of Colour. (I'm British by the way)" "Criticize paper forms that have unnecessary fields - see, papers that ask you for your age and birth date." "... that's a checksum |
| 19:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/164432 |
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| 19:54.08 | Lunessa | 'Do you want to take out the garbage?' (no) vs. 'Will you take out the garbage?' (yes) - this is me. |
| 19:55.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ... that explains so much. ;) |
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| 20:03.19 | Lunessa | And now from the 'Surreal Moments brought to you by Facebook' - a former step father (to whom I have not spoken in more than two decades) just sent me a friend request. |
| 20:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | creepy |
| 20:07.22 | Lunessa | You said it. |
| 20:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. level my priest holy, or shadow? |
| 20:20.12 | Thunder_Child | shadow |
| 20:20.21 | sacarasc | Disc! |
| 20:20.24 | Thunder_Child | so much faster |
| 20:20.43 | Thunder_Child | though the sad part is there were some bosses i could only kill in pvp disc |
| 20:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | (for the record, my priest just hit 10 :P) |
| 20:22.21 | foxlit | Hm, why is it that I can only sell back the midsummer mantle? |
| 20:22.28 | foxlit | (Bot not boots / vestiments?) |
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| 20:23.26 | Thunder_Child | prolly because the mantle is a mistake |
| 20:24.31 | foxlit | meh. It's token-bought. |
| 20:24.38 | foxlit | Should be able to sell everything back <3 |
| 20:34.38 | Thunder_Child | is auctionneer having a conniption fit for anyone? |
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| 20:41.32 | Cruciformer | TC: Not ... and I just got done doing a /auc getall |
| 20:41.36 | ZorbaTHut | gaaah. when I increase the "intended CPU usage", my CPU usage goes *down* |
| 20:41.47 | ZorbaTHut | and if I increase it further, it goes up again |
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| 21:07.43 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, ratio the first time and enough space to use the second? |
| 21:08.03 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, huh? |
| 21:08.41 | Cruciformer | this is odd. Looking at a guild on armory and there is no GM listed. I thought all guilds had to have a guildmaster |
| 21:09.21 | Gryphon | you can have a gm that is less than level 10 |
| 21:09.22 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, the first time you do it, it appears that you use less because you have more to use from and isnt being used. the second time there is enough extra to use so it gets filled up |
| 21:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/i-shall-call-themmini-mes/2120 |
| 21:09.48 | Cruciformer | oh I thought the GM rank was always rank 0 |
| 21:10.34 | Gryphon | they are, but characters under level 10 are not listed on the armory |
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| 21:11.24 | ZorbaTHut | I'm measuring the raw CPU time the addon uses. It goes up. :) |
| 21:12.46 | Lunessa | sbo - I find that somewhat disturbing. |
| 21:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhat? |
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| 21:15.04 | Lunessa | Around here, you have to get higher up than that to get beyond "somewhat" |
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| 21:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:16.22 | amro | is there a way to get a string containing the binary representation of an int/float in stock lua? (and the inverse operation) |
| 21:17.01 | Thunder_Child | ~Lunessa++ |
| 21:17.02 | ZorbaTHut | amro, besides calculating it yourself, no |
| 21:17.30 | amro | thanks |
| 21:20.01 | Arrowmaster | http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=45309 |
| 21:20.05 | Arrowmaster | hot..... |
| 21:20.34 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=94401 three cheers for the bay area |
| 21:20.51 | Arrowmaster | wtb industrial exaust fan to put in the attic, old shitty fan up there died |
| 21:21.27 | Arrowmaster | that or maybe a house that can actually be air conditioned |
| 21:22.33 | Arrowmaster | has windows so old they have ropes and pulleys that goto counterweights hidden in the frame, and the ropes have rotted and broken |
| 21:24.21 | haste | http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=Mysen&CELSIUS=yes |
| 21:24.22 | haste | >:( |
| 21:24.26 | haste | also, lol at the service :D |
| 21:24.49 | haste | weather data is free in norway anyway tho'! |
| 21:25.04 | Thunder_Child | meh, too hot for me http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=90048 |
| 21:25.41 | nicoli_s | 75 is too hot for you? its like 100 during the day all day here |
| 21:25.50 | durcyn | http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=78750 do i win |
| 21:25.52 | Thunder_Child | i prefer 65-70 |
| 21:26.39 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: no, texas is dry and dry heats are easy withstand |
| 21:26.54 | cog|work | http://www.amateurscientist.org/2009/06/cats-haz-stoopid.html |
| 21:27.33 | End | yeah, humidity is the part that sucks |
| 21:27.54 | Arrowmaster | ~weather KDAY |
| 21:29.29 | Arrowmaster | ~weather KAUS |
| 21:31.28 | Lunessa | http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=77058 |
| 21:32.05 | Arrowmaster | ok so its not extremely low humidity, but still isnt AC like a requirement on any building in texas |
| 21:32.06 | NightHawkTheSane | shakes his fist at butter |
| 21:32.44 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: in my experience, when I lived in Dallas, Texas was extremely humid |
| 21:33.50 | Arrowmaster | ive been to vegas multiple times and death valley when it was 113F but it was so dry it didnt seem very hot |
| 21:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | That site sucks. Says it's nice where I am, it lies. The humidity is evil. |
| 21:34.13 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I live in Houston, which is built on the coast and swampy parts of TX, and ... Humidity is almost as bad here as Florida. |
| 21:34.35 | Arrowmaster | you still have AC though dont you |
| 21:34.44 | Arrowmaster | wishes for AC |
| 21:34.46 | nicoli_s | still not as humid as southern georgia |
| 21:34.55 | End | my AC is broken :( |
| 21:35.02 | Arrowmaster | my house is broken |
| 21:35.06 | NeoTron | Dallas is more humid than Seattle... of course yes, AC in Dallas but no such luck here |
| 21:35.08 | End | you're broken |
| 21:35.27 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: A/C in the office, in the apartment, and in the goddamned car. If I could get A/C for my pants, you bet your bippy they'ed have A/C too. |
| 21:36.01 | Thunder_Child | bippy? |
| 21:36.24 | Arrowmaster | and ive been to georgia, and had to spend all day for 3 days straight outside in direct sunlight, fucking hot |
| 21:36.50 | Aqua | you want to see the temp here? |
| 21:37.02 | Aqua | Current conditions: Temp: 95F (35C) | Feels Like: 105F (41C) |
| 21:37.35 | Lunessa | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bippy |
| 21:41.12 | Aelobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw-IAYxu5uo&feature=related |
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| 21:43.05 | Lopeppeppy | I stayed in Virginia for a week in the summer, my first real introduction to AC. I fell in love. |
| 21:44.13 | nicoli_s | here in huntsville, we had one of those damn heat advisories the other day, up to 105 |
| 21:46.01 | Lunessa | Here, they can shorten the weather report to "hot" "too hot" "hot with a chance of rain" "hot with thunderstorm" and "move to Hell, the weather's nicer." |
| 21:48.29 | Thunder_Child | around here it's "Perfect" "perfect" "perfect" Not perfect, sue someone" |
| 21:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Wet, cold, humid, thunderstorm, blizzard, ice storm, that about covers it for me. |
| 21:49.31 | Lunessa | And yet you insist on living there. |
| 21:52.05 | Lopeppeppy | My cat likes the view. |
| 21:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | *hopeless shrug* |
| 21:52.33 | Lunessa | Yeah, can't do anything about that. Cat's happy. Don't mess with it. |
| 21:52.57 | Thunder_Child | messes with the happy cat |
| 21:53.23 | Lopeppeppy | She'll totally take out your liver, TC. |
| 21:53.38 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, it might be worth it |
| 21:58.44 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Be sure to drink enough to get sclerosis first. |
| 21:59.26 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i dont drink |
| 21:59.34 | Lunessa | ... |
| 21:59.44 | Lunessa | What the hell are we going to do a blizzcon then? |
| 22:01.18 | Thunder_Child | i dont think i am going to be there this yeat tbh |
| 22:01.18 | Thunder_Child | tear* |
| 22:01.18 | Thunder_Child | y e a r* |
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| 22:01.20 | Lunessa | Oh, damn. Carry on then. |
| 22:01.23 | Lopeppeppy | Very damn, I think I left my authenticator at work when I came home early. *grrrrrrrrrrr* |
| 22:01.39 | Lunessa | NOOOOOOO. |
| 22:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | The boss was jerking the pointer around the computer screen for two hours, I fled with a barking horrible case of motion sickness... and I think I left too quick. |
| 22:02.28 | Lunessa | :( /comfort |
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| 22:04.04 | haste | this is why you buy two autheticators! |
| 22:04.13 | Lopeppeppy | I get motion sick very easy, and I know it, so I haven't complained before, but he made two of us sick today, so tomorrow he's getting an earful. |
| 22:04.57 | Lunessa | Sowwy peppy-dear. |
| 22:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. I'm a delicate flower! |
| 22:05.30 | Lopeppeppy | Just means I watch movies tonight instead of what I wanted to do. |
| 22:05.58 | Dewin | haste: Is it even possibly to link two authenticators to one account and accept values from either? |
| 22:06.02 | Lunessa | Frail, Fragile Flower of Femininity who will eviscerate anyone who disagrees? |
| 22:06.15 | haste | Dewin: no idea, but it wouldn't suprise me if you could |
| 22:06.16 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, I don't think so.... |
| 22:06.25 | Lopeppeppy | grins at Lunessa. |
| 22:06.41 | haste | goes to bed. |
| 22:08.59 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, why isnt it on something you need, eg. keychain or somesuch? |
| 22:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | If I ever get a physical authenticator, I'm going to hard mod it into my case. |
| 22:09.30 | Thunder_Child | i have one on my ipod touch |
| 22:09.54 | Lopeppeppy | TC, it is. However, it's on my other keychain, which I didn't grab on my way sprinting out of the office to avoid doing serious bodily harm to my boss for making me sick. |
| 22:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, and not to be puking on his carpet. |
| 22:12.35 | Lunessa | Puke on his carpet. It works for cats. |
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| 22:14.21 | Lopeppeppy | So does peeing on their shoes, I'm not gonna pee on shoes. |
| 22:15.20 | Lunessa | Yeah, that's a whole different kettle of kink. |
| 22:15.34 | Dewin | pee on shoes is easily remedied. You need to take lesson's from my mother-in-law's cats: pee on luggage or on down comforters. |
| 22:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'd have to be paid to be that kinky. |
| 22:20.26 | Aqua | you could take a lesson from a friend of mine's ex gf, get so hammered, you sleep with his best friend and then piss the bed your in, piss the bed linens, and then piss a comforter that you then rap yourself up with. |
| 22:22.47 | sacarasc | That was a good night. |
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| 22:25.45 | Lopeppeppy | ... yeah, not on my list. |
| 22:26.55 | Lunessa | Wow, did your friend date my ex? |
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| 22:40.35 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, you can't link authenticators like that. one account -> one authenticator, though you can link one authenticator to multiple accounts |
| 22:41.52 | Dewin | ZorbaTHut: I didn't think so. |
| 22:41.58 | Dewin | I know about the multiple account usage though ;) |
| 22:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | No fair that some people can post all day, and I can't at work. /me pouts at the forums |
| 22:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: lots of things aren't fair, in the grand scheme of things, i think thats fairly minor ;) |
| 22:46.21 | Lopeppeppy | I pouts anyways. |
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| 23:08.12 | Industrial | uh |
| 23:08.14 | Industrial | wowhead down? |
| 23:09.51 | Gnarfoz | try #wowhead :) |
| 23:11.36 | tekkub | (burn) |
| 23:12.05 | NeoTron | tekkub: many places to (burn) right now, on every continent! |
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| 23:20.14 | Lunessa | System is down. Set the world on fire? Y/N? |
| 23:20.52 | bleeter | have fun trying to burn antarctica |
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| 23:21.45 | Lunessa | Fuel-Air Explosives and incendiary devices of massive proportions. EVERYTHING can be made to burn. |
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| 23:23.03 | bleeter | Lunessa: well true they did burn a lot of stuff in The Thing but look where it got them! |
| 23:23.39 | Lunessa | bleeter: Yeah, set-piece horror/sf is always about the controlled conditions. |
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| 23:44.30 | NeoTron | I was wondering yesterday how the STONE tower outside the alliance place in terokkar can STILL be on fire after all these years |
| 23:44.43 | tekkub | it's magic fire |
| 23:44.46 | tekkub | like Strat |
| 23:45.56 | End | ^ |
| 23:46.03 | End | A wizard did it. |
| 23:49.11 | bleeter | NeoTron: remember took 4+ years to get a bunch of training books to be sent from outlying areas back to the capitals |
| 23:49.25 | bleeter | how many millions of books had been sold in the meantime? |
| 23:50.37 | Lunessa | Someone was protecting their market. :P |
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| 23:54.05 | bleeter | hah so I hadn't launched WoW since the original reports of Midsummer screwup and being told by GM 'are you sure please re-investigate' |
| 23:54.14 | bleeter | nice to see we weren't imagining crap out of our bums again |
| 23:54.16 | bleeter | kinda |
| 23:54.54 | Lunessa | I love how my realm forum for an RP realm has turned mostly into recruitment posts. And by "love" I really mean "can't stand it." |
| 23:55.52 | bleeter | Lunessa: yeah saw that coming a month or two ago |
| 23:56.32 | bleeter | story goes there was a person whose child had died, so they posted to the realm forum that they were unavailable for some time.. post deleted.. reposted.. forum ban for reposting moderated topic... at least that was the story |
| 23:56.44 | bleeter | and given other complaints I've seen about the new moderators, I'm inclined to believe it |
| 23:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone on OSX... where is the default temp dir? |
| 23:57.21 | Lunessa | bleeter: It's been a fact of existence for more than 5 months on Kirin Tor (US) - because the server is full of tiny guilds (like mine) who can't seem to get along to raid together, and you can only stand around in Dalaran for so long before you feel the need to KILL something. |
| 23:57.30 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: /private/tmp, iirc |
| 23:57.36 | Aqua | thats right |
| 23:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 23:57.52 | Aqua | its a sym link though |
| 23:57.55 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: /tmp should be a symlink |
| 23:57.56 | ScytheBlade1 | This debug log is showing it as /private/var/folders/MR/MRfVKNAQGKCYtBmKXvUII++++TI/-Tmp- |
| 23:58.04 | ScytheBlade1 | and that confuses me |
| 23:58.16 | bleeter | Aqua: /tmp linked to /private/tmp or other way? i dunno, don't ahve a beast in front of me |
| 23:58.41 | Aqua | I'm not on mine atm either, i think its /tmp linked to /private/tmp |
| 23:58.57 | bleeter | Lunessa: RP's dead to me, I can't keep the sleep schedule up to RP on US realms |
| 23:59.16 | bleeter | Lunessa: and if you RP on an Oceanic realm... well you may as well advertise you're a pedophile or something for the amount of hate you'll receive |
| 23:59.18 | Aqua | ScytheBlade1, you want me to get my macbook? |
| 23:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not urgent |
| 23:59.28 | ScytheBlade1 | If it is convinent, I wouldn't mind |
| 23:59.30 | Aqua | it won't take but a secon |
| 23:59.33 | Aqua | hold on |
| 23:59.46 | Lunessa | is looking on his iMac |
