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| 00:05.42 | Cide | theorbtwo: it stills grabs the data from the server (again) upon login |
| 00:05.52 | Cide | and addons are loaded before all of that data is available |
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| 00:40.01 | Shirik | rawr |
| 00:40.06 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:40.09 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 00:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | ~huggle Gryphen |
| 00:40.14 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:40.14 | Shirik | huggles Gryphen |
| 00:40.18 | Gryphen | huggles Shirik |
| 00:41.22 | Shirik | ok so importing images into lightroom while trying to log into WoW is a bad idea |
| 00:43.33 | Lopeppeppy | I can see how that would be true, dear. |
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| 00:48.42 | Shirik | so yeah, I went up 3000 feet today |
| 00:49.09 | Shirik | and now my legs hate me |
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| 00:56.14 | Lopeppeppy | Went up 3000 feet? |
| 00:56.43 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:56.51 | Shirik | hiking up a mountain :) |
| 00:56.54 | Shirik | 5 hours |
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| 00:58.55 | Lopeppeppy | ... insane. |
| 00:59.03 | Shirik | so tired |
| 00:59.07 | Shirik | I will rest for just a moment |
| 00:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | I do not go hiking for the sake of going up a hill. I gave that up years back. |
| 00:59.19 | Shirik | it was totally worth it |
| 00:59.25 | sacarasc | stabs Shirik's heart. |
| 00:59.26 | Shirik | when you see the pictures you'll see why |
| 00:59.31 | alestane | ...when your knee went bad, I presume, if not earlier. |
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| 01:05.33 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much the event, alestane, ding ding. |
| 01:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | And extra dino-bites for such a good memory. *hug* |
| 01:08.46 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 01:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | I still like nature walks, but inclines are a good way to murder me. |
| 01:11.17 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | Enjoy being young and in one piece. The warrantee goes out at 30, and there's no extended coverage |
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| 01:12.40 | Nechckn | I second your conclusion, Lopeppeppy |
| 01:18.22 | Dagmar | Tell that to my orthoscopic surgeon |
| 01:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | Does he think it goes out earlier, Dagmar? |
| 01:19.27 | Nechckn | lol, mine was definitely @ 30, almost to the day, in fact. |
| 01:19.48 | Lopeppeppy | Mine was a bit earlier, but I had mechanical intervention to cause it. |
| 01:21.47 | Nechckn | I tried with the medical, "Get your extended warrantly now!" plan, but it was just a bit late. =) |
| 01:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, they don't do extensions, sadly |
| 01:23.45 | Shirik | my guild has come up with a brilliant achievement |
| 01:23.50 | Lopeppeppy | Que? |
| 01:23.59 | Shirik | kill Ignis and Razorscale within 60 seconds of each other |
| 01:24.19 | Shirik | Flame buffet ftw |
| 01:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | ... crazy male creature. |
| 01:25.07 | Lopeppeppy | G'night, everyone. |
| 01:25.14 | Nechckn | nn |
| 01:25.35 | Nechckn | Shirik a flame buffet- mmmm! |
| 01:25.44 | Nechckn | sounds hot |
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| 01:36.10 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: sounds impossible, hehe |
| 01:42.01 | Tem | split the raid |
| 01:42.08 | Tem | need 5ish tanks, though |
| 01:44.14 | Gnarfoz | that would defeat the point of the achievement though ;p |
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| 01:51.13 | kd3__ | grr |
| 01:51.17 | kd3__ | rrrrrrrr |
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| 01:57.03 | Shirik | huggles kd3 |
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| 02:02.04 | kd3 | hm... orlando's going to need a miracle in the 4th quarter |
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| 02:07.30 | Tem | wow |
| 02:07.36 | Tem | so I was just tanking Vezax |
| 02:07.55 | Tem | and melee failed to interrupt at 10% |
| 02:08.01 | Tem | I got stomped |
| 02:08.20 | Tem | and then we managed to still kill him |
| 02:08.24 | Tem | like I'm shocked |
| 02:09.50 | Dewin | Hmm... you can get inspect info for BOTH of someone's talent specs. |
| 02:10.17 | End | sounds like our melee |
| 02:10.23 | End | me, I like to wand |
| 02:10.35 | End | wtb shadow crash |
| 02:10.38 | Legorol | Tem: about Vezax, do you think you can explain to me why people favour/insist on a DK tanking it? |
| 02:10.44 | End | cooldowns |
| 02:10.47 | Legorol | I was trying to figure out the reason but I don't quite see it |
| 02:10.49 | End | DKs have more cooldowns |
| 02:10.56 | Legorol | it's not as simple as that, End |
| 02:10.59 | Tem | Legorol, I don't move when I tank him |
| 02:11.00 | End | so they can more easily eat the kite phase |
| 02:11.01 | Legorol | which cooldowns are useful? |
| 02:11.09 | Tem | I hit IBF every minute |
| 02:11.20 | Legorol | yes, IBF is available during every Surge of Darkness |
| 02:11.24 | Legorol | but IBF alone isn't enough |
| 02:11.30 | Tem | sure it is |
| 02:11.36 | Tem | I just did it with no external cooldowns |
| 02:11.40 | Legorol | what defense are you on? |
| 02:11.42 | Tem | the only reason I died is because melee fail |
| 02:11.56 | Tem | what defense am I am on? |
| 02:12.04 | Legorol | at my level of defense, my IBF gives 43.4% reduction |
| 02:12.08 | Tem | oh |
| 02:12.12 | Tem | it's about the same for me |
| 02:12.30 | Legorol | with the boss getting buffed up 100%, IBF doesn't quite counter his buff |
| 02:12.40 | Legorol | instead of hitting for something like 25k, he starts hitting for more on me |
| 02:12.50 | Tem | it's enough of a counter |
| 02:12.57 | Legorol | anyway, is the availability of IBF once a minute the reason why people want DK to tank it? |
| 02:13.17 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 02:13.20 | Legorol | see I'm trying to see what's so "special" about DKs |
| 02:13.23 | Gnarfoz | plus the insane aggro DKs put out |
| 02:13.31 | Legorol | nvm the threat |
| 02:13.33 | Gnarfoz | well, the 1min near-shildwall |
| 02:13.36 | Legorol | all our tanks could easily top threat |
| 02:13.39 | Gnarfoz | oh mind the threat allright |
| 02:13.41 | End | I wish our dk put out insane threat |
| 02:13.42 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: that's IBF |
| 02:13.42 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 02:13.49 | Gnarfoz | I'm perfectly aware. |
| 02:14.04 | Legorol | ok, so: <End> DKs have more cooldowns <= is there anything useful in this statement? |
| 02:14.09 | Legorol | is that relevant to Vezax tanking? |
| 02:14.10 | Gnarfoz | and as soon as you pass the "scramble around" stage, your casters will be threat capped :> |
| 02:14.29 | Legorol | i guess what i'm trying to say is: |
| 02:14.33 | Gnarfoz | well... no other class has such a powerful -% dmg buff than DKs |
| 02:14.38 | Gnarfoz | *other than |
| 02:14.54 | Legorol | what makes a DK so "special" with his IBF when you could just have say a pali with his 2-min shield wall combined with pain suppression, guardian spirit, HoS and the likes |
| 02:14.56 | Gnarfoz | plus, every 2min you can add one of the others on top, too :O |
| 02:15.02 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: what are you talking about |
| 02:15.13 | Legorol | paladins have -50% (more than a DK) every 2 minutes |
| 02:15.20 | Gnarfoz | great? |
| 02:15.20 | End | I guess it's not specifically relevant to vezax, but |
| 02:15.23 | Gnarfoz | it's every minute. |
| 02:15.26 | Gnarfoz | not every 2minutes |
| 02:15.29 | End | most tanks are on longer durations |
| 02:15.30 | Gnarfoz | the +100% dmg buff o_O |
| 02:15.36 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: hence pain suppression, guardian spirit, HoS, etc |
| 02:15.45 | Gnarfoz | yeah, pain supp = -threat |
| 02:15.49 | Tem | the first time we did it, I used a priest's Guardian Spirit every time |
| 02:15.51 | Gnarfoz | gs = only helps on one hit |
| 02:15.58 | Gnarfoz | HoS = damage on the casting paladin you have to counter |
| 02:16.05 | Gnarfoz | what else did you want to have thrown out? :> |
| 02:16.11 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
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| 02:16.13 | Legorol | all right, two tanks, and taunt-rotate |
| 02:16.20 | Gnarfoz | he's tauntable? |
| 02:16.23 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:16.29 | Gnarfoz | oh yes he is, hehe |
| 02:16.34 | Legorol | all i'm saying is, i seem to see loads of solutions that give the same or more damage reduction than IBF |
| 02:16.35 | Gnarfoz | I taunt to die quickly on wipes ;> |
| 02:16.36 | Diao | 2 tanks = less dps |
| 02:16.43 | Legorol | so I'm confused why DK is supposed to be so imba |
| 02:16.49 | Tem | Gnarfoz, I never died with GS up |
| 02:16.50 | Legorol | Diao: you are taking at least 2 tanks to U25 anyway |
| 02:16.55 | Legorol | don't tell me you are using a solo tank in there |
| 02:16.55 | Diao | we do |
| 02:16.57 | Diao | but |
| 02:17.00 | Tem | and using the GS glyph, it was just +heal on me |
| 02:17.04 | Diao | one tank is specced dps |
| 02:17.05 | Gnarfoz | Tem: well, that only means you never ate more than 2 fatal hits :> |
| 02:17.05 | Diao | for second spec |
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| 02:17.08 | Tem | so IBF and the GS |
| 02:17.09 | Diao | and dpses on fights that don't need 2 |
| 02:17.22 | Tem | Gnarfoz, you're missing what I mean |
| 02:17.25 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: uhm "taking at least 2"? |
| 02:17.38 | Gnarfoz | we've done him with 1 tank in 25 for all the time we've been killing him :\ |
| 02:17.47 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: i don't mean Vezax |
| 02:17.50 | Legorol | I mean U25 in general |
| 02:17.53 | Tem | Legorol, alt spec is hot |
| 02:17.56 | Gnarfoz | ah, that |
| 02:18.07 | Diao | anyway, if you use a DK tank that uses IBF on cd |
| 02:18.08 | Legorol | Tem: dual spec is not a mandatory tool for PvE |
| 02:18.14 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but the point stands: less dps. not a problem if you're not hitting the berserk timer, though |
| 02:18.17 | Diao | you can save healer cds for emergencies |
| 02:18.21 | Tem | shrug, Legorol, we use it that way |
| 02:18.25 | Gnarfoz | (or... if you're cool with mana) |
| 02:18.27 | Legorol | Tem: that's fine |
| 02:18.29 | Diao | missed an interrupt? pop a healer cd |
| 02:18.31 | Legorol | tem: and it's beside the point ;) |
| 02:18.35 | Legorol | back to the original point: |
| 02:18.37 | NightHawkTheSane | lots of things aren't "mandatory" for pve |
| 02:18.44 | mikma | U96, dasboot |
| 02:18.45 | Legorol | so is it the IBF that makes DK tanks so "special" on Vezax? |
| 02:18.49 | Diao | yes |
| 02:18.50 | Gnarfoz | we use external cooldowns on a dps tk specced tanking/equipped with his "for when I have to tank" tankgear otherwise. |
| 02:18.52 | Tem | Diao, if it's a missed interrupt, I CD and get a healer CD on surge |
| 02:18.54 | Gnarfoz | (on top of his IBF) |
| 02:18.54 | Dagmar | Well, that depends if you've got the IQ of a turnip |
| 02:18.58 | Gnarfoz | *dps dk |
| 02:19.05 | Dagmar | THEN it's important to quantify things to some insanely large number |
| 02:19.40 | Legorol | ok, let me now turn the question around: |
| 02:19.46 | Legorol | if you don't have a DK tank, what's your best option? |
| 02:19.53 | Legorol | kiting or healer cooldowns, which one's superior? |
| 02:19.54 | Tem | either kite |
| 02:19.59 | Tem | or healer cooldowns |
| 02:20.04 | Legorol | lol Tem, i type faster |
| 02:20.06 | Legorol | :) |
| 02:20.14 | Dagmar | Things like "lol u cant hit 3500 on the test dummy? u cant even do naxx" |
| 02:20.23 | Gnarfoz | no external cooldown is as strong as taking no damage, hehe |
| 02:20.25 | Kraps | how does a hunter with a ferocity pet deal with mob packs? |
| 02:20.36 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: sure, but kiting has inherent risks too |
| 02:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: depends on the healers, their skill, and the skill of the tank |
| 02:20.42 | Gnarfoz | it sure does |
| 02:20.47 | Gnarfoz | hence why people want to avoid it |
| 02:20.49 | Tem | Gnarfoz, the dps time gained from not moving is enough to offset the extra damage taken |
| 02:21.04 | Gnarfoz | I know |
| 02:21.05 | Tem | I wonder if they'll buff his surge so we have to kite |
| 02:21.06 | Dagmar | Kraps: They say "Thank god for Call Stabled Pet" |
| 02:21.09 | Legorol | tem: interesting statement, how do you gain dps time from not moving? |
| 02:21.10 | Gnarfoz | possibly |
| 02:21.19 | Legorol | dps isn't typically my concern when thinking about whether to kite or not |
| 02:21.20 | Gnarfoz | or NERF DKs, as is obviously the #1 solution |
| 02:21.20 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:21.20 | Diao | you always lose dps |
| 02:21.21 | Diao | when moving |
| 02:21.26 | Diao | it's a given |
| 02:21.27 | Legorol | whose dps? |
| 02:21.30 | Diao | melee |
| 02:21.35 | Legorol | anwyay, we are discussing a tanking problem |
| 02:21.35 | Diao | ranged too |
| 02:21.40 | Diao | repositioning always causes lower dps |
| 02:21.52 | Legorol | the amount of dps lost isn't a strong factor to consider when the life of the MT is at stake |
| 02:21.56 | Dagmar | Kraps: Trying to multi-kite with a ferocity pet is simply U R DOIN IT RONG territory |
| 02:21.58 | Gnarfoz | if you start moving the boss, it starts being a raid problem :> |
| 02:22.03 | Dagmar | It might be doable, but it's way too much damn trouble and risk |
| 02:22.17 | Gnarfoz | who said anything about pets...? |
| 02:22.25 | Legorol | can someone try and explicitly list for me the risks associated with kiting vezax, from a survival pov? |
| 02:22.28 | Gnarfoz | hm, Kraps did |
| 02:22.31 | Legorol | i want to see if i thought of everything |
| 02:22.47 | Legorol | (and i don't care about dps loss at this point) |
| 02:22.49 | Kraps | talking about a leveling hunter |
| 02:23.02 | Gnarfoz | he does 100% +dmg if he reaches you at any point of time during it. |
| 02:23.05 | Dagmar | Kraps: 2-3 mobs shouldn't be a bit problem with a ferocity pet |
| 02:23.07 | Legorol | the things i could think of: melee might get a crash or mark if they are not fast enough to follow boss around, |
| 02:23.09 | Dagmar | s/bit/big/; |
| 02:23.13 | Gnarfoz | good chance you'll be instagibbed :) |
| 02:23.13 | Legorol | healers might go oor on the tank, |
| 02:23.23 | Dagmar | Kraps: However going for more means stop being thick and pulling out a proper Tenacity pet |
| 02:23.32 | Dagmar | You might as well spec to heal and try to level a paladin |
| 02:23.34 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: that too, there is risk of the tank screwing up |
| 02:23.45 | Diao | even if you don't |
| 02:23.45 | Legorol | is there anything else i haven't thought of? |
| 02:23.49 | Diao | tank can get hit |
| 02:23.52 | Diao | by mark/crash as well |
| 02:23.54 | Dagmar | Using the wrong technique for the job, pet or spec, is still wrong. |
| 02:23.54 | Legorol | does repositioning endanger the life of the raid in any way? |
| 02:23.57 | Diao | it's happened when we were kiting in 10m |
| 02:24.03 | Diao | with a pally tank |
| 02:24.08 | Gnarfoz | seriously though: |
| 02:24.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: yes |
| 02:24.17 | Legorol | Diao: sure, but that's 'cause your tank is a nab |
| 02:24.18 | Diao | and a crash on melee = no interrupt |
| 02:24.21 | Diao | no |
| 02:24.22 | Legorol | you shouldn't get further than 15 yards |
| 02:24.25 | Diao | if you are out of melee range |
| 02:24.27 | Diao | it will target you |
| 02:24.37 | Gnarfoz | we had less trouble with a DPS DK using his offspec tanking equipment + IBF+external CD than we had with our fully geared out bear tank :| |
| 02:24.41 | Gnarfoz | amazingly enough. |
| 02:24.41 | Diao | i've even been targetted while charging back to vezax |
| 02:24.43 | Legorol | Diao: i thought there's a minimum distance |
| 02:24.45 | Diao | for crashes |
| 02:24.48 | Legorol | ouch |
| 02:24.49 | Diao | yeah, it's melee range :P |
| 02:24.51 | Legorol | ok i didn't think of that |
| 02:24.59 | Legorol | that's definitely a point in favour of not kiting |
| 02:25.22 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: bears have been nerfed to uselessness |
| 02:25.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, their AoE threat really sucks |
| 02:25.39 | Gnarfoz | ...not |
| 02:25.43 | Gnarfoz | swipe is awesome as hell :p |
| 02:25.46 | Legorol | actually, coming to think of it.. why is it so bad if the tank gets crashed? |
| 02:25.52 | Diao | crash does a knockback |
| 02:25.56 | Legorol | minor amount of damage (for the Hp a tank has), a knockback and that's it |
| 02:25.58 | Legorol | so? |
| 02:25.59 | Gnarfoz | knockback + damage you have to heal against |
| 02:26.05 | Diao | if he gets knocked |
| 02:26.07 | Diao | out of range of healers |
| 02:26.07 | Legorol | consider this: |
| 02:26.09 | Dagmar | ...and suddenly people have range issues. |
| 02:26.12 | Gnarfoz | where the tank is = where the melees are |
| 02:26.12 | Dagmar | That's _bad_. |
| 02:26.14 | Diao | and vezax moves faster than players do |
| 02:26.18 | Legorol | you are kiting the boss, so you are taking 0 damage, which is less than normal |
| 02:26.19 | Diao | when "catching up" to his agro target |
| 02:26.33 | Legorol | a crash would: do small damage to the tank, put distance between tank and boss, and allow you to carry on safely kiting |
| 02:26.36 | Diao | well it's mostly a combination of bad things |
| 02:26.37 | Diao | ie |
| 02:26.41 | Diao | if he crashes right before surge ends |
| 02:26.47 | Diao | and knocks tank out of range of healers |
| 02:26.51 | Diao | then runs over to tank |
| 02:26.54 | Diao | before healers get in range |
| 02:27.01 | Dagmar | dead tank. |
| 02:27.05 | Legorol | diao: interesting, don't you have your healers hugging Vezax? |
| 02:27.09 | Legorol | we do |
| 02:27.41 | Diao | well if they're doing that then they might get hit by crashes too ;p |
| 02:27.44 | Diao | when kiting |
| 02:27.57 | Diao | healers sitting on vezax works fine when not moving |
| 02:28.07 | Legorol | right |
| 02:28.17 | Legorol | so you are saying that anything outside his melee hit box can get crashed? |
| 02:28.23 | Legorol | the minimum distance is 0 yards? |
| 02:28.31 | Diao | that's what it seemed like when we were doing it |
| 02:28.35 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:28.37 | Diao | cause our tank runs and stops |
| 02:28.39 | Gnarfoz | melee range is not "0" |
| 02:28.40 | Diao | over and over |
| 02:28.52 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: i mean the distance from the edge of his hitbox |
| 02:29.00 | Legorol | if you get further than 0, you can get crashed? |
| 02:29.00 | Gnarfoz | well, then probably 0 |
| 02:29.10 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:29.17 | Gnarfoz | yes, also if not at least 3 targets are out there |
| 02:29.31 | Legorol | reason i'm asking all this is because normally i tank him (at the insistance of the guild), but i won't always be around to tank him |
| 02:29.34 | Gnarfoz | (normally only an issue in 10man) |
| 02:29.37 | Legorol | so i want to train the raid up to cope without a DK tank |
| 02:29.41 | Legorol | and i was thinking what route to go |
| 02:29.48 | Diao | all tanks can do it without kiting theoretically |
| 02:29.53 | Diao | just need other people to use cds intelligently |
| 02:30.09 | Legorol | so in your experience, which one do you think is more dangerous/messy, kiting or cooldown use? |
| 02:30.15 | Diao | kiting |
| 02:30.17 | Diao | imo |
| 02:30.17 | Legorol | probably depends on group i guess |
| 02:30.24 | Diao | more risks added |
| 02:30.30 | Diao | with cds |
| 02:30.34 | Diao | the only risk is someone not using a cd on time |
| 02:30.38 | Legorol | our players tend to be intelligent and well-coordinated/communicative, but often bad at movement |
| 02:30.43 | Shirik | melee range is 3 yards :/ |
| 02:30.47 | Legorol | so cooldowns is definitely the way to go imo |
| 02:30.51 | Diao | yeah |
| 02:30.54 | Diao | just like mimi |
| 02:30.58 | Legorol | aye |
| 02:31.00 | Diao | burn cds everytime |
| 02:31.05 | Legorol | we actually never used me on mimi |
| 02:31.11 | Legorol | (oh in case it wasn't obvious, I'm the DK tank) |
| 02:31.20 | NightHawkTheSane | except you can actually heal thrugh plasma blast on mimiron without cds :P |
| 02:31.33 | Diao | can, but it's painful :P |
| 02:31.41 | Legorol | well we haven't had MT die yet in P1, cooldowns were fine |
| 02:31.55 | Legorol | our healers tend to be good at cooldowns |
| 02:31.58 | Tem | NHTS, ew |
| 02:32.02 | NightHawkTheSane | a little, but i'v done it. running with a druid & shaman healer on that fight is fun :P |
| 02:32.34 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: are you talking 10 or 25? |
| 02:32.38 | Legorol | on 25 the blast hits harder |
| 02:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | 10.. |
| 02:32.49 | Legorol | good luck healing through it on 25 imo |
| 02:32.52 | Diao | yeah |
| 02:32.55 | Diao | 30k a sec |
| 02:32.56 | Diao | lol |
| 02:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | haven't done it on 25 yet |
| 02:33.11 | Legorol | well you can have 30k hps from several healers combined, |
| 02:33.15 | Legorol | but i think the timing will be awful |
| 02:33.18 | Diao | yeah |
| 02:33.20 | Diao | if the big heals |
| 02:33.22 | Diao | aren't landing every half second |
| 02:33.24 | Diao | or something |
| 02:33.26 | Legorol | idd |
| 02:33.27 | Diao | you'll die in between heals |
| 03:01.01 | Gnarfoz | 6 paladin healers, GO! |
| 03:01.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 03:01.14 | Gnarfoz | then wipe in p2. |
| 03:01.14 | Gnarfoz | :p |
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| 03:29.12 | Wobin | DK tanking mimiron is painful |
| 03:29.22 | Wobin | on 10 even |
| 03:29.27 | Wobin | I just dps that |
| 03:32.00 | mikma | so what ways there are to "downgrade" spells to rank? |
| 03:32.14 | mikma | i need to know the rank1 spellID of spells that have more ranks than 1 |
| 03:33.14 | Wobin | why downgrade? |
| 03:34.00 | Shirik | GetSpellInfo("Heal", "Rank 1") ? |
| 03:34.19 | mikma | because i will get the names of the spells by ID, then use the name of the spell = wow automatically uses the max rank |
| 03:34.26 | mikma | the spells will be saved with rank1 in SV |
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| 03:35.10 | mikma | idea is to drag a spell from spellbook to a empty editbox -> it will show you the rank1 spellID and when you press OK it will be saved |
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| 03:36.23 | Thunder_Child | when opening the door that leads to the general does anyone get a diagon alley entrance flashback? |
| 03:37.39 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: huh? how is dk tanking it painful? |
| 03:37.52 | Wobin | I get burnt |
| 03:38.01 | Wobin | with all cooldowns |
| 03:38.01 | Gnarfoz | well, yes, you do! |
| 03:38.03 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 03:38.06 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 03:38.57 | Gnarfoz | our DK tank uses his own cds and when they're gone, Pain Suppression... if there's a 4th plasma blast, we know someone's slacking on dps :p |
| 03:39.53 | Wobin | even with all my cooldowns, I'm still eating too much damage =( |
| 03:42.21 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 03:43.24 | Gnarfoz | the solution is obvious: add external cooldowns, focus healing you, there isn't much damage going around anyway besides the stuff on you + the single napalm victim :) |
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| 04:18.18 | Thunder_Child | why is there not an itunes plugin that auto lowers the volume when someone is speaking on TS/Vent! |
| 04:24.23 | Shirik | why not increase the volume of TS/Vent... |
| 04:28.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i want to listen to my music at full volume but have it lower when someone talks |
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| 04:40.41 | Dewin | I wish WoW would auto lower volume with Vent/TS in addition to in game voice chat too >.> |
| 04:40.58 | Thunder_Child | wow = mute |
| 04:41.17 | mikma | wow = 10% volume |
| 04:41.34 | Dewin | 40% for me, but yeah. |
| 04:41.53 | Torhal | Or if you want to quickly switch - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12432-Volumizer.html |
| 04:41.59 | Torhal | <-- shameless plug. |
| 04:42.07 | Thunder_Child | eh, unlike an FPS, for me there isnt any reason to listen to wow |
| 04:42.56 | kd3 | all I ever listen for is the sound of my character getting gnawed on by some random Scourgeling |
| 04:43.07 | kd3 | "oh crap, aggro. better do something" |
| 04:43.20 | Thunder_Child | it's 3rd person i can always see it unlike an FPS |
| 04:43.28 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:44.53 | Ackis | I wished I could down-rank wow.com articles |
| 04:45.09 | Torhal | Ackis: What now? |
| 04:45.14 | Ackis | http://www.wow.com/2009/06/14/breakfast-topic-what-do-you-think-of-region-specific-pets/ |
| 04:45.15 | Thunder_Child | you dont wish it anymore? |
| 04:45.31 | Ackis | Torhal: articles based on false facts annoy me |
| 04:45.41 | Ackis | regional specific pets have been around since well ever |
| 04:45.55 | Torhal | The China dragons, for example. |
| 04:46.14 | Ackis | and the coke bear promotion |
| 04:46.29 | Torhal | First clue of non-fact: "This is that first time that I can recall..." |
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| 04:49.03 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/597/ |
| 04:49.14 | Fisker | hey fuck you i already complained about that yesterday ;_; |
| 04:49.37 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 04:49.40 | Adys | Ackis: hahah wow |
| 04:49.40 | Adys | This is that first time that I can recall when Blizzard have made a non-combat pet region-exclusive |
| 04:49.44 | Adys | OH YEAH. |
| 04:50.21 | Corrodias | i like how they apparently started playing some time after Wrath was released, because i quit a little before then and was well aware of them. |
| 04:50.31 | Adys | i think its fine tho |
| 04:50.33 | Ackis | Adys: there are 9 region specific pets :( |
| 04:50.42 | Adys | I dont like region-specific shiz |
| 04:50.47 | Adys | but, it's fine for the battle bots |
| 04:51.12 | Adys | i cant recall US getting an unique pet before (apart from murky, but that was just as exclusive as tyrael) |
| 04:51.22 | Adys | the US got both gurky and .. the other one |
| 04:51.26 | Adys | lurky |
| 04:51.53 | Ackis | the EU got gurky and lurky |
| 04:51.58 | Ackis | and murky/tyreal are world wide |
| 04:52.05 | Ackis | you just need the code for them |
| 04:52.14 | Thunder_Child | if i had to guess i would say its region specific because of the contest laws |
| 04:52.37 | Ackis | the pet has nothing to do with contest laws |
| 04:52.47 | Adys | its advertising Thunder_Child |
| 04:53.04 | Thunder_Child | actually i do believe it is part of the contest |
| 04:53.12 | Corrodias | having something nobody else has, looking like nobody else looks, those are major goals in MMORPG's. people want to set themselves above the masses. |
| 04:53.20 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: you don't even need to sign up for the contest to get the pet |
| 04:53.28 | Adys | whatever about mmo philosophy |
| 04:53.50 | Ackis | adys: I broke 100 mini-pets btw :P |
| 04:53.51 | Ackis | http://www.warcraftpets.com/account/profile.asp?user=ackis#col |
| 04:53.53 | Corrodias | unfortunately, if you -do- hand out things to just a few people, or even let them earn them, you leave 90% of your players dissatisfied... |
| 04:54.00 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, you didnt need to sign up for the site? |
| 04:54.06 | Adys | grats Ackis :P |
| 04:54.20 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: no, you go to the site and there's a link on the front page to get it w/o signing up |
| 04:54.26 | Corrodias | WoW has little character customization and the players fight passionately for any mount or title difference they can muster |
| 04:54.41 | Corrodias | phantasy star universe has lots of customization right off the bat... but very little content and absolutely no endgame |
| 04:54.45 | Fisker | doesn't even smile |
| 04:55.03 | Adys | Fisker: lol@u for getting your pet removed |
| 04:55.05 | Fisker | we only got lurky because Blizzard EU couldn't L2P |
| 04:55.11 | Fisker | no u Adys |
| 04:55.28 | Adys | lurky was, afaik, one of the "oh-shit" pets |
| 04:55.33 | Adys | theres a bunch of unused pets... |
| 04:55.46 | Adys | like a really cute turtle |
| 04:55.47 | Corrodias | what i remember of guild wars at launch was that there weren't many ways to differentiate your character from others |
| 04:56.03 | Corrodias | *from what i remember of guild wars at launch, there weren't |
| 04:56.11 | Thunder_Child | i love coming late to raids, all of the DKP and none of the crap |
| 04:56.14 | Fisker | I'm still wondering why blizzard hasn't removed the pet from all inegible accounts |
| 04:56.19 | Ackis | is still made about murkimus |
| 04:56.32 | Adys | murkimus is the BEST pet ever |
| 04:56.32 | Thunder_Child | made? |
| 04:56.38 | Ackis | die Adys |
| 04:56.39 | Ackis | die |
| 04:56.39 | Adys | best best best pet ever |
| 04:56.40 | Adys | :D |
| 04:56.49 | Adys | so, fucking, cute |
| 04:57.06 | Ackis | ~lart Adys |
| 04:57.06 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Adys!" and lops off Adys's head |
| 04:57.09 | Ackis | good |
| 04:57.10 | Corrodias | interestingly enough, guild wars also has minipets. as far as i can tell, each character is randomly given 4 for every year that it exists. worst distribution method ever. |
| 04:57.11 | Ackis | you're dead |
| 04:57.53 | Thunder_Child | i think the blizzcon pets nifty personally |
| 04:58.00 | Thunder_Child | pet is* |
| 04:58.16 | Fisker | kinda sucks though that non-americans got to keep their pet |
| 04:58.40 | Corrodias | wait wait, fill me in, who got what pet and why is it going away? |
| 04:59.00 | Thunder_Child | someone is late to the party |
| 04:59.20 | Fisker | Blizzard were region-racist |
| 04:59.28 | Thunder_Child | battle-bot's got deep-sixed for EU i think |
| 04:59.53 | Fisker | and people like Ackis and Wobin still got to keep theirs |
| 05:00.07 | Wobin | I'm not EU |
| 05:00.10 | Fisker | if only i had a US account so i could report both of them |
| 05:00.18 | Fisker | I know Wobin |
| 05:00.21 | Fisker | you're australian |
| 05:00.28 | Wobin | Go back to your EU land and suck it |
| 05:00.32 | Fisker | The offer is only eligible for the US |
| 05:00.46 | Fisker | Therefor you are ineligible for the pet |
| 05:00.49 | Wobin | well, to be more precise, the -contest- is only valid in the US |
| 05:00.52 | Fisker | Blizzard just haven't got the balls yes |
| 05:00.54 | Fisker | yet* |
| 05:01.10 | Wobin | oh yeah, they're going to check addresses for a minipet |
| 05:01.15 | Fisker | They should |
| 05:01.22 | Wobin | pats Fisker |
| 05:01.31 | Wobin | it's so cute when you're insanely jealous |
| 05:01.46 | Fisker | Just calling Blizzard on inconsistencies |
| 05:02.18 | Corrodias | blizzard? inconsistent? poppycock! |
| 05:02.34 | tekkub | floppycock! |
| 05:02.53 | Thunder_Child | who invited tekkub to this party again? |
| 05:03.01 | tekkub | you |
| 05:03.04 | squidbear | how do i figure out what UpdateTooltip() does? http://wowcompares.com/3129901/FrameXML/GameTooltip.lua |
| 05:03.11 | Thunder_Child | damn |
| 05:03.14 | squidbear | rather, how can i find what file it's in? |
| 05:03.16 | Codayus | I thought a Blue said they'd be rolling out a hotfix to remove the battle bots from EU accounts? |
| 05:03.19 | Codayus | No? |
| 05:03.27 | Fisker | I just love how they banned me for getting a few more trick or treat bags in hallow's end |
| 05:03.28 | tekkub | grep is your friend |
| 05:03.40 | Fisker | Then proceeding to totally ignore the issue in winter veil and love is in the air |
| 05:03.44 | Fisker | yay |
| 05:03.54 | squidbear | tekkub, good idea thanks |
| 05:04.14 | Wobin | Codayus: yes |
| 05:04.33 | Wobin | but they're not going to check if US accounts are using fake addresses to get the bot |
| 05:04.39 | Wobin | because, frankly, they don't care =P |
| 05:04.42 | Codayus | Ah, hmm. |
| 05:04.44 | Codayus | Good point. |
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| 05:05.07 | Wobin | cause aside from Fisker's misplaced angst, there's no harm in it since we can't enter the contest |
| 05:06.00 | Codayus | You could always use a mail service or friend's address in the US, so they had somewhere to ship the crappy t-shirt you could potentially win? |
| 05:06.04 | Fisker | Same shit applies to the EU Wobin |
| 05:06.10 | Fisker | But apparently that doesn't matter |
| 05:07.03 | Codayus | Tell ya' want, Fisker. I'll give up my minipet in a hot second in exchange for an Oceanic server. |
| 05:07.08 | Wobin | you technically have to be a citizen to win items |
| 05:07.21 | Wobin | a truly geographic Oceanic server? |
| 05:07.24 | Wobin | I'm right there with you |
| 05:07.27 | Codayus | Since they don't give us Oceanic servers, they can't hotfix the battle bot. |
| 05:07.34 | Fisker | Sure they can |
| 05:07.41 | Fisker | Check addresses = win |
| 05:07.45 | Codayus | I view keeping my battle bot as... 0.0001% payback for the crappy ping. |
| 05:07.54 | Fisker | Also who's to say that US citizens can't play on european servers? |
| 05:08.09 | Codayus | ...hm, a point. |
| 05:09.12 | Codayus | I knew someone (a US citizen) who played on a EU server from California |
| 05:09.47 | Codayus | ...but he stopped playing a while back, so it's fine - nobody important lost their battle bot. |
| 05:09.47 | Dewin | Addon communication data is not throttled, correct? |
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| 05:10.38 | Fisker | nope |
| 05:10.46 | Fisker | But if you send too much data you get disconnected |
| 05:11.12 | Dewin | wiki says the messages have to be <255 messages |
| 05:11.39 | Wobin | characters? |
| 05:11.44 | Dewin | characters* yes |
| 05:11.52 | Dewin | prefix + tab + message <= 255 |
| 05:21.49 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, do you even put pictures into different collections? |
| 05:21.55 | Shirik | Do you use the "rejected/pick" flags? |
| 05:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 05:22.01 | Shirik | There's so much here at your disposal :) |
| 05:22.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I upgrade my mythbox from f10 to f11 |
| 05:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Check for updates |
| 05:22.11 | ScytheBlade1 | 744MB of updates |
| 05:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing isn't even two weeks old, and 744MB of updates to download |
| 05:22.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:22.33 | Shirik | sounds like Windows |
| 05:22.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you are not paying attention are you? |
| 05:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly, that's much worse than windows in terms of sheer bandwidth |
| 05:23.09 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i already said lastnight that i was using the keyword system |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik | but beyond that, nothing? |
| 05:23.39 | Thunder_Child | well since it was nothing in the first palce this is an improvement |
| 05:23.45 | Thunder_Child | but even so i dont need it yet |
| 05:23.47 | Shirik | lol |
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| 05:27.19 | Thunder_Child | ok, lightroom + wow = :( |
| 05:27.34 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 05:30.39 | Shirik | agree Thunder_Child |
| 05:30.42 | Shirik | I actually said that earlier |
| 05:30.50 | Shirik | (17:41:20) (@Shirik) ok so importing images into lightroom while trying to log into WoW is a bad idea |
| 05:30.51 | Thunder_Child | about what Shirik? |
| 05:30.57 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 05:31.02 | Thunder_Child | i want even importing |
| 05:31.05 | Thunder_Child | wasnt* |
| 05:31.28 | Shirik | lightroom has one flaw that's really bugging me |
| 05:31.34 | Fisker | what is that shit room you're talking about? |
| 05:31.44 | Shirik | up in the top left you have the navigator panel with four options: fit, fill, 1:1, 3:1 |
| 05:31.44 | Thunder_Child | adobe product for images |
| 05:31.52 | Thunder_Child | right... |
| 05:31.55 | Shirik | if you try to hit "Fit" and miss just a few pixels to the left |
| 05:32.01 | Shirik | it closes the navigator panel |
| 05:32.06 | Shirik | well minimizes it |
| 05:32.30 | Shirik | despite the fact that there's a huge gap there |
| 05:32.49 | Thunder_Child | eh, click ON the word and you wont have that problem |
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| 05:33.00 | Shirik | I shouldn't have tobe that precise |
| 05:33.12 | Shirik | and how come I can be extremely far off the word "Navigator" and it will react! |
| 05:35.02 | Thunder_Child | if that is the only thing that bugs you it's still a good program |
| 05:35.26 | Shirik | totally agree |
| 05:35.31 | Shirik | it's great |
| 05:35.41 | Shirik | as is this camera |
| 05:35.51 | Shirik | I really have to show you this one picture |
| 05:35.53 | Thunder_Child | something that bugs me is how easy it is for me to click the side arrows |
| 05:36.00 | Shirik | I tried to touch it up in lightroom |
| 05:36.02 | Thunder_Child | i do that rather often it seems |
| 05:36.06 | Shirik | compared it to the original |
| 05:36.08 | Shirik | and it looked almost identical |
| 05:36.12 | Shirik | and it's still phenomenal |
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| 05:42.12 | Shirik | pretty large, fair warning |
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| 05:44.10 | Shirik | http://shiibot.com/DogMountain-0115.jpg |
| 05:44.18 | Xinhuan | can a warlock tell me how much hp a lvl 80's imp has? |
| 05:44.44 | Thunder_Child | dog mountian? |
| 05:44.53 | Shirik | the name of the mountain we climbed today |
| 05:45.59 | Thunder_Child | working on yogg, i'll get back to you when we wipe |
| 05:46.45 | Fisker | outplays Shirik |
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| 06:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | oy. netbeans is painful to run |
| 06:11.23 | Shirik | :/ |
| 06:11.29 | Corrodias | painful? |
| 06:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It took a good minute just to load up to any state of functionality |
| 06:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It popped up the "register!" dialog box but was completly unresponsive |
| 06:11.56 | Corrodias | i saw my friend's pc do that once |
| 06:12.07 | Corrodias | it's usually faster for him, though |
| 06:12.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And this laptop is not really dated |
| 06:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | 6 seconds to close a source tab, wtf |
| 06:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a new one |
| 06:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | "Fatal Error: Unable to find package java.lan in classpath or bootclasspath" |
| 06:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | s/lan/lang/ |
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| 06:25.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:25.17 | Shirik | I think you're inventing problems |
| 06:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously |
| 06:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you want a screenshot? |
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| 06:30.20 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i am amused by your metadata info...since it can be altered easily. |
| 06:30.36 | Shirik | which one? |
| 06:30.51 | Thunder_Child | the one you linked |
| 06:30.56 | Shirik | I mean what field |
| 06:31.10 | Thunder_Child | copyright and creator |
| 06:31.11 | Fisker | hits Shirik |
| 06:31.18 | Shirik | oh, that's added by the camera |
| 06:31.45 | Shirik | I just set the creator name and it auto-tags every image with it |
| 06:31.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: see your PM |
| 06:31.54 | Shirik | s/creator/owner/ |
| 06:33.11 | Shirik | I didn't know jpegs can hold metadata |
| 06:35.09 | Thunder_Child | da |
| 06:35.22 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:35.24 | Thunder_Child | s/da/ja/ |
| 06:36.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm pretty sure that netbeans is fail |
| 06:38.57 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure that you are fail |
| 06:39.05 | Shirik | PEBKAC error |
| 06:39.12 | Shirik | do you have a JDK installed and does it know where it is? |
| 06:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
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| 06:40.05 | Shirik | it knows where it is |
| 06:40.14 | Shirik | and it still can't find java.lang |
| 06:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The awesome thing |
| 06:41.11 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@dhcp-077-250-125-249.chello.nl) |
| 06:41.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that only /some/ of those files do it |
| 06:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Not all of them! |
| 06:41.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Some of them work! |
| 06:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Some of them don't! |
| 06:42.11 | Shirik | PEBKAC |
| 06:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You label the netbeans epic fail however you wish |
| 06:43.18 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, the one thing that really bugs me about this camera |
| 06:43.47 | Shirik | I was warned by my coworker that it has a tendency to over-expose, so I set the default to -1/3 and I bracket at +/- 1/3 |
| 06:44.00 | Shirik | so the +/- 0 is in there |
| 06:44.21 | Shirik | check out lightroom's calculation on the histogram of the shot at +/- 0 |
| 06:46.44 | Thunder_Child | what about it? |
| 06:46.46 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bef061596ee7779048ef3188bf04edff.png |
| 06:46.52 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 06:47.05 | Thunder_Child | not what i have |
| 06:47.28 | Shirik | just saying, he's right. It's overexposing the shots |
| 06:47.49 | Thunder_Child | thats not what you sent me |
| 06:47.53 | mikma | zomg laserz |
| 06:47.54 | Shirik | no |
| 06:47.56 | Shirik | this is something else |
| 06:48.04 | mikma | zomg laserz |
| 06:48.26 | Thunder_Child | iso400 @ f/14 @ 1/60 is going to require exposure |
| 06:48.51 | mikma | no, laserz |
| 06:48.52 | Shirik | 1/100 came out just fine |
| 06:49.00 | mikma | pew pews shirik |
| 06:49.02 | Shirik | -2/3 from the meter |
| 06:49.28 | Thunder_Child | did you try that before or have you changed the exposure default? |
| 06:50.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/DogMountain-0115.jpg |
| 06:50.06 | Shirik | I changed the exposure default to -1/3 bracketed at +/- 1/3 |
| 06:51.06 | Shirik | why did you change the color :( |
| 06:51.27 | Thunder_Child | hmmm..didnt quite manage to keep the inner color |
| 06:51.33 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:51.33 | Thunder_Child | was just trying to pop it |
| 06:51.44 | Shirik | I intend to play with it a bit more |
| 06:51.59 | Shirik | I'm still trying to get all my images imported and sorted |
| 06:52.03 | Shirik | almost done |
| 06:52.50 | Shirik | then I can go back on a second pass |
| 06:52.50 | Shirik | maybe tomorrow |
| 06:52.50 | Shirik | what did you do, pull down the blues? |
| 06:53.05 | Shirik | p.s. in retrospect, I wish I had closed the aperture a bit more. The depth of field is a bit too small for my liking on that shot |
| 06:53.14 | Shirik | That's at f/2.8, I wish I had it closer to maybe 3.5 |
| 06:53.16 | Thunder_Child | no, i bumped the yellow |
| 06:53.19 | Thunder_Child | to much |
| 06:54.19 | Thunder_Child | acutally i didnt change the color at all |
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| 07:12.37 | Shirik | night night |
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| 07:28.28 | AbsolutRayne | Oh hi |
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| 07:29.23 | AbsolutRayne | I dont suppose theres a way to Anchor DogTag text, so that it only expands in one direction? |
| 07:31.59 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/facepalm.jpg |
| 07:32.58 | Adys | winepath |
| 07:33.01 | Adys | BEST THING EVER |
| 07:33.15 | AbsolutRayne | Also, my PitBull seems to be mighty borked atm O_o |
| 07:33.34 | mikma | haha |
| 07:34.00 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/spider-pig-homer-simpson-movie-big.jpg |
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| 07:35.38 | AbsolutRayne | Any ideas here, guys n gals :? http://i44.tinypic.com/208jo1k.jpg |
| 07:35.50 | AbsolutRayne | Also, WIP on the UI, ignore it |
| 07:37.39 | mikma | absolutrayne: .. needs more L2Play! |
| 07:37.59 | AbsolutRayne | ...Thanks? |
| 07:38.03 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_061509_004432.jpg |
| 07:38.05 | mikma | pew pew |
| 07:38.16 | mikma | the bottomleft over the chat |
| 07:38.51 | AbsolutRayne | I see...I guess |
| 07:38.53 | AbsolutRayne | Also, LuaTexts is the default text provider module now. |
| 07:39.01 | AbsolutRayne | So no more Dogtags for PitBull? :/ |
| 07:40.22 | mikma | pew pew |
| 07:40.27 | AbsolutRayne | rolls back to a Previous Version |
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| 07:42.50 | squidbear | how do i check for effeciency with addons? |
| 07:43.11 | squidbear | (effeciency meaning memory usage mostly) |
| 07:44.48 | Elkano | knowing common pitfalls helps a lot. there are also some ingame profilers that can at least help a bit in benchmarking |
| 07:45.31 | squidbear | do you know of any that you could suggest to me? |
| 07:46.38 | Elkano | Broker_CPU can show you the data from WoW's ingame profiler, which works on a per addon basis |
| 07:47.11 | squidbear | ok. thank you. :) |
| 07:47.21 | Fisker | i'm so tired |
| 07:47.49 | haste | AbsolutRayne: dogtags are horrible, so I would say that's a bad choice |
| 07:48.03 | AbsolutRayne | Ive....never had an issue with DogTags. |
| 07:48.39 | haste | it uses your soul to power it self! |
| 07:48.47 | haste | that's how bad the performance of it is |
| 07:48.57 | AbsolutRayne | Ive....never had an issue with DogTags. |
| 07:49.16 | haste | enjoy your loss of years! |
| 07:49.26 | Fisker | hej haste |
| 07:49.30 | haste | hei Fisker |
| 07:49.36 | AbsolutRayne | OMG Im not with the times bag on me wheeeeee |
| 07:50.14 | Fisker | HEJ |
| 07:50.15 | Fisker | haste |
| 07:50.17 | Fisker | HEJ |
| 07:50.30 | haste | <Fisker>s/J/I/ |
| 07:51.18 | Fisker | no |
| 07:51.21 | Fisker | ~haste-- |
| 07:51.25 | Fisker | bad haste |
| 07:52.11 | haste | ~fisker-- |
| 07:52.13 | haste | ! |
| 07:52.20 | haste | damn you purl ! |
| 07:52.49 | zenzio | tripe-hyphen |
| 07:52.49 | pb_ee1 | ~love me |
| 07:52.51 | zenzio | +l |
| 07:52.52 | Elkano | squidbear, there is also Expo, which can be used to put some wrappers around your functions to profile their runtime and memory increase: http://www.wowace.com/projects/expo/ |
| 07:55.09 | Fisker | ~karma haste |
| 07:55.09 | purl | haste has karma of 1 |
| 07:55.13 | Fisker | ~kiss Fisker |
| 07:55.17 | Fisker | fuck you purl |
| 07:55.20 | Fisker | stop forgetting shit |
| 07:55.25 | Thunder_Child | ~karma Fisker- |
| 07:55.25 | purl | fisker- has karma of -1 |
| 07:55.40 | Thunder_Child | ~karma Fisker |
| 07:55.40 | purl | fisker has karma of -2 |
| 07:55.59 | Fisker | :) |
| 07:56.05 | Fisker | Ackis can't stop me |
| 07:56.08 | Fisker | (I'm on a boat) |
| 08:01.53 | Kalroth | ~karma Fisker----- |
| 08:01.54 | purl | fisker----- has neutral karma |
| 08:02.03 | Kalroth | aw |
| 08:02.05 | Kalroth | ~karma Fisker- |
| 08:02.05 | purl | fisker- has karma of -1 |
| 08:02.11 | Kalroth | ~karma Fisker |
| 08:02.11 | purl | fisker has karma of -2 |
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| 08:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | permastunning monsters should not exist |
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| 08:44.22 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, only once. the next time I managed to dodge them |
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| 09:52.20 | Lothaer | ~seen wobin |
| 09:52.23 | purl | wobin is currently on #wowuidev (9h 3m 14s) #wowace (9h 3m 14s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 4h 40m 44s, last said: 'characters?'. |
| 09:52.45 | Wobin | ? |
| 09:52.57 | haste | lok'thar! |
| 09:53.09 | Lothaer | hey mate i just tested Mr. Plow with mining (im Tinyu) |
| 09:53.48 | Wobin | yeah, I've not wanted to update it with that issue with profession bags |
| 09:53.58 | Lothaer | what was the issue? |
| 09:54.32 | Wobin | doesn't handle it well, cause it pulls it out of those bags into the normal bags |
| 09:55.30 | Lothaer | well i just tested it with the Mammoth Mining Bag, and some ore off the AH and if the ore was in the mining bag it stays in the bag |
| 09:55.59 | Lothaer | but if its in the normal bags it gets sorted their and not placed in the profession bag |
| 09:56.03 | Wobin | and if you have two profession bags? |
| 09:56.27 | Lothaer | 1 min |
| 09:57.39 | Lothaer | is there any cheap mining bags i can buy w/o a leather worker to make them? |
| 09:58.32 | Wobin | yeah, in outlands |
| 09:58.41 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30746 |
| 09:59.39 | Lothaer | cheers brb |
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| 10:07.06 | Lothaer | ok with 2 mining bags they get sorted into one bag |
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| 10:08.12 | laeg | does anyone know when 3.2 is to be released, just i'm close to spending 600g on training epic land mount |
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| 10:09.17 | Lothaer | no idea yet |
| 10:09.30 | Lothaer | when the PTR closes itll have like 1-2 weeks |
| 10:09.32 | Lothaer | maybe |
| 10:10.22 | laeg | PTR? |
| 10:10.28 | Lothaer | if only there was a way to make it place profession items from the main bags to the profession bags |
| 10:10.35 | Lothaer | PTR = Public Test Realm |
| 10:10.43 | laeg | kk ty |
| 10:10.46 | Lothaer | nps |
| 10:10.49 | Wobin | I have a function in the new one to do that |
| 10:10.59 | laeg | like ore from your bags into mining bagsa at the bank? |
| 10:12.00 | Lothaer | did you want me to zip up what i have and send it to you? |
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| 10:13.30 | Fisker | touches haste |
| 10:14.43 | haste | touches Fisker back. |
| 10:15.55 | laeg | somebody recommending doublewide for my questlog but curse onl;y has doublewidetradeskills |
| 10:16.26 | Elkano | who requires a doublewide questlog if he can simly have a longer one? ;) |
| 10:16.44 | haste | laeg: wowi has it |
| 10:16.45 | nevcairiel | because doublewide implies being longer as well! |
| 10:16.59 | Elkano | pssst |
| 10:17.01 | Fisker | no |
| 10:17.01 | haste | !addon doublewide |
| 10:17.02 | Fisker | wider |
| 10:17.05 | lua_bot | DoubleWide (v. 0.7-30000) last updated Fri Oct 17 05:35 (http://is.gd/12o10) |
| 10:17.10 | haste | >:3 |
| 10:17.47 | Elkano | maybe I should add doublewide ability to FR, too |
| 10:19.09 | Lothaer | hey Elk |
| 10:19.17 | Lothaer | how goes the new EBB? |
| 10:20.13 | Wobin | Lothaer: sure |
| 10:22.53 | Lothaer | kk sent ya a PM on wowi |
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| 10:39.25 | Lothaer | quiet all of a sudden |
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| 10:45.53 | haste | lies |
| 10:46.50 | haste | touches Fisker. |
| 10:47.38 | Lothaer | lol |
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| 10:55.24 | haste | the open office spelling thingy is confusing |
| 10:55.44 | haste | if I write a word with a letter wrong it fails to detect the correct one, but if I just skip the letter it works |
| 10:56.07 | haste | the <alt gz> key on the keyboard is broken here, so I can't write norwegian letters :D |
| 10:56.15 | haste | and I use the spell checker to insert them :p |
| 10:56.37 | haste | I find it odd that skipping a letter makes it detect the correct word tho' |
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| 11:00.12 | Lothaer | reign of fire with TweakWoW |
| 11:00.16 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/WoWScrnShot_061509_202347.jpg |
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| 11:15.45 | Aelobin | rawr |
| 11:15.59 | Lothaer | ahh |
| 11:16.01 | Lothaer | dont scare me |
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| 11:34.03 | Alfuin | Hey |
| 11:34.13 | Aelobin | ermmmm could someone explain this error to me... |
| 11:34.26 | Aelobin | "main function has more than 200 local variables" |
| 11:34.28 | Aelobin | :S |
| 11:34.30 | Alfuin | hey aelo! |
| 11:34.37 | Aelobin | heya Alfuin =) |
| 11:34.55 | Alfuin | maybe you should spread out the variables on more functions |
| 11:37.40 | Aelobin | :P |
| 11:37.55 | Alfuin | sometimes error messages are literal |
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| 12:49.00 | Lothaer | Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his father did |
| 12:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk, Chuck Norris never loses *anything* |
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| 13:19.25 | Lopeppeppy | Nopers. |
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| 13:34.11 | haste | ~jnwhiteh++ |
| 13:34.12 | haste | >:3 |
| 13:34.24 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 13:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, jnwhiteh. |
| 13:36.57 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:36.58 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:37.20 | haste | velter Fisker ned i en tønne med fisk. |
| 13:37.26 | haste | tar på seg anti-velte støtter. |
| 13:37.30 | Lothaer | howdy |
| 13:38.17 | jnwhiteh | morning Lopeppeppy |
| 13:40.51 | Fisker | Yiy |
| 13:40.53 | Fisker | You |
| 13:41.27 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 13:41.37 | Lothaer | AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE |
| 13:41.42 | Fisker | anti-vælte støtter gælder ikke hvis du ikke kan stave til det |
| 13:41.48 | Fisker | vælter haste |
| 13:41.56 | haste | !! |
| 13:42.01 | Lothaer | ?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 13:42.08 | haste | kaste aids på Fisker. |
| 13:42.22 | haste | in codes they are talking! |
| 13:42.30 | Fisker | er immun over for aids |
| 13:42.31 | Lothaer | now are they? |
| 13:42.50 | haste | Fisker: pfft, bare nordlendinger som er det |
| 13:42.55 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/sport_paa_vrangen/article1181850.ece |
| 13:42.59 | Lothaer | yo mamma |
| 13:43.08 | Fisker | 170 meter pik = win |
| 13:43.11 | Lothaer | Fisker: Hacks? |
| 13:43.46 | Fisker | yeah he hacked his pik to be 170 meters long |
| 13:44.11 | Lothaer | he wishes his pik was 170 meters long |
| 13:44.12 | Fisker | fniser |
| 13:44.23 | Fisker | i wish your pik was 170 meters long |
| 13:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | refreshes obsessively tto see where her package is! |
| 13:44.38 | Lothaer | your mum does too :D |
| 13:44.58 | Fisker | no because my pik is 170 meters long |
| 13:45.04 | Fisker | i use it to vælt haste |
| 13:45.55 | Fisker | haste = pwnt |
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| 13:48.13 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 13:48.43 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo |
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| 13:57.09 | Wobin | Oi Oi Oi |
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| 14:25.10 | kneeki | http://www.tehgladiators.com/?p=78 |
| 14:25.12 | kneeki | lol |
| 14:27.20 | Grum | dark legacy is epic as well :D |
| 14:27.28 | Grum | AND POUND AT DOLLAR STAR! |
| 14:30.45 | kneeki | lol yes |
| 14:30.47 | kneeki | i love it |
| 14:31.34 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 14:31.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes you do. |
| 14:32.06 | Aelobin | to do issecurevariable on something like math.random for example, is it issecurevariable(math,"random") ? |
| 14:32.29 | Fisker | indeed Lopeppeppy |
| 14:34.33 | Cide | Aelobin: www.wowprogramming.com |
| 14:34.41 | Cide | don't ask us what you can ask google |
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| 14:34.58 | Aelobin | Cide: i read about issecurevariable on wowwiki, i was just checking >_> |
| 14:35.05 | Cide | . |
| 14:35.19 | Cide | check it ingame |
| 14:36.08 | Cide | but www.wowprogramming.com has a pretty good documentation on it so you shouldn't have to |
| 14:55.27 | cogwheel | offers Aelobin some hydrogen peroxide for his wounds |
| 14:55.38 | cogwheel | chuckles at Cide |
| 14:55.41 | Aelobin | :) |
| 14:56.03 | Cide | hi cog! |
| 14:56.35 | cog|work | ohai |
| 14:58.14 | Fisker | cog|work min ven |
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| 15:14.20 | Kraps | getting punted off a rampart is fun... until you die http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=32278 |
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| 15:18.22 | Lopeppeppy | Death is only the beginning |
| 15:18.49 | AckisWork | death it sounds cool |
| 15:22.29 | Lopeppeppy | Silly monkey |
| 15:24.58 | Kraps | wow rickrolled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d531xdfXq4c&feature=related |
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| 15:27.21 | cog|work | i wonder what his royalty statements look like since this fad started... |
| 15:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. |
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| 15:32.21 | cog|work | lol... i missed that one... "The phenomenon became so popular that on April 1, 2008, YouTube pranked its users by making every single featured video on the front page a Rickroll." |
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| 15:35.57 | Kraps | kinda strange the nickrlback is all into philosophical/spiritual lyrics lately, but i'm not complaning |
| 15:36.08 | Kraps | s/the/that/ |
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| 15:39.16 | Kraps | nickelback... spelling ftl |
| 15:39.54 | myrkraverk | is there a lua command to switch in-game languages (orcish, thalassian, ...) and not just do it one SendChatMessage() at a time? |
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| 15:46.34 | zenzelezz | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17779760315&sid=1 :-o |
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| 15:48.24 | Kraps | no wonder there arent any fat drummers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKQgDY0pZ68&feature |
| 15:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | Azshara has some neat things. Including quests related to that crew. |
| 15:51.30 | zenzelezz | I never kne about it :-/ |
| 15:51.38 | zenzelezz | nor did I know about it |
| 15:52.06 | Tem|work | http://www.dadcentric.com/2009/04/potateo-potato.html |
| 15:52.25 | Koren | I like that ship floating in the twisting nether |
| 15:53.30 | zenzelezz | Koren: yeah, that's cool |
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| 15:58.24 | Kraps | Tem|work: EPIC |
| 15:58.54 | cog|work | Tem|work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4lKD_d1ziw&feature=channel_page (found in the comments on that vid) |
| 15:59.02 | cog|work | EPICer imo ;) |
| 15:59.18 | cog|work | (not as show-y though) |
| 15:59.46 | Fisker | din mor cog|work |
| 16:00.03 | cog|work | pokes the Fisker |
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| 16:00.20 | Kraps | cog|work: i dont get it, where am i looking? |
| 16:00.31 | cog|work | er. |
| 16:00.40 | cog|work | s/Tem|work/Kraps/ |
| 16:00.45 | Tem|work | am I really going to watch 8 minutes of some guy playing the drums? |
| 16:00.59 | Fisker | prikker cog|work med dilleren |
| 16:01.04 | Fisker | haste >:3 |
| 16:01.10 | Fisker | ~roulette |
| 16:01.10 | purl | ACTION watches fisker pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 16:01.41 | Fisker | ~roulette |
| 16:01.41 | purl | ACTION watches fisker pull the trigger: Click! |
| 16:01.45 | cog|work | Tem|work: meant that at Kraps' earlier link |
| 16:01.55 | Tem|work | I see |
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| 16:02.30 | Kraps | cog|work: you just compared travis barker to some dude who playes the drums |
| 16:02.42 | cog|work | *shrug* |
| 16:02.47 | Kraps | :) |
| 16:02.59 | Kraps | also metal isn't my thing |
| 16:03.12 | nicoli_s | if you like metal, mars volta is the shit |
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| 16:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | Random Question #2543: Twitter Sleep is a site I've used once, it temporarily blocks a Twitter account which is for example, spamming current news updates every 30 seconds today... Anyone know of which I speak,or have the google fu to find it? |
| 16:04.41 | haste | ~roulette |
| 16:04.41 | purl | ACTION watches haste pull the trigger: Click! |
| 16:05.08 | Lopeppeppy | I've been looking off and on for a hour now, my google fu findeth nothing. |
| 16:07.13 | cog|work | Fisker: no, DIN mor! |
| 16:07.31 | Fisker | oh noes |
| 16:07.35 | Fisker | you've cracked the code |
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| 16:07.51 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:07.52 | cog|work | mmmm... danish.... |
| 16:08.00 | cog|work | nom |
| 16:08.16 | Lunessa | I has a cheeseburger. |
| 16:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 16:08.25 | Lopeppeppy | ... that is not a healthy breakfast, dear. |
| 16:08.26 | cog|work | rukky you |
| 16:08.44 | Lunessa | And... Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey is totally on hulu.com |
| 16:09.00 | cog|work | that's so rad! |
| 16:09.10 | Lunessa | Excellent! |
| 16:09.34 | cog|work | is reminded of Super Mario World's bonus levels |
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| 16:16.47 | Kraps | only gnomeregan to go! |
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| 16:20.03 | Kraps | then rais some reps and get exalted crusade alliance champion of the exalted alliance crusader champions... or something :D |
| 16:20.58 | sacarasc | I got the spam achievement of SW, exalted SW, alliance, exalted alliance and exalted crusade earlier today. |
| 16:21.12 | _rane | anyone familiar with power auras classic? |
| 16:21.23 | _rane | trying to create a trigger for debuff fading |
| 16:21.47 | cog|work | my damn brain keeps rickrolling me... *sigh* |
| 16:21.56 | Kraps | sacarasc: nice |
| 16:22.11 | Aelobin | anyone from US know where i could get a list of the realms added around january? |
| 16:22.16 | durcyn | becaues it's never gonna give you up, cog|work |
| 16:22.20 | Aelobin | i'm just going through the blizz US forums atm =/ |
| 16:22.22 | durcyn | or because, whichever |
| 16:24.44 | Coren{de} | wtb 2-tiered ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler (splitting *filter* and actual output part... and a fixed arg11 :| ) |
| 16:25.49 | cog|work | durcyn: it certainly lets me down from time to time though ;) |
| 16:32.03 | Lunessa | Amazing how many people will argue with you about needing to provide ID. |
| 16:33.14 | durcyn | Lunessa: except, you know, cops. |
| 16:34.10 | Lunessa | Heh, I get it from them too. Someone says, I need you to give a door code to "secure room" and I say, please provide me with ID, so I can verify you. And 10 minutes of arguing starts. |
| 16:35.00 | durcyn | oh, you're on the giving end of it, i see. |
| 16:36.33 | Kraps | i am best proto-drake stealer! |
| 16:36.43 | Coren{de} | in that very specific case of "secure room" which seems to include the ID per definition, the argument is surprisingly invalid :> usually I am on the no-ID side... |
| 16:38.53 | theorbtwo | Well, a really secure room would just *start* with "provide me ID" |
| 16:39.18 | theorbtwo | ...because you should already have a list of everybody you should provide that code to -- including their photos. |
| 16:39.46 | theorbtwo | The reason giving ID is pointless is because IDs are so easy to acquire. |
| 16:39.54 | theorbtwo | Fake, or not. |
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| 16:41.25 | zenzelezz | heh... "always borrow money from a pessimist. He really doesn't expect to get it back" |
| 16:42.53 | Lunessa | theorbtwo: Yes, the "security" is a joke, but it's the requirement of the university and the state. And the procedure doesn't really equate to "secure" but it's what I have to do. |
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| 16:43.32 | theorbtwo | zenzelezz: But he does expect to need it back. |
| 16:43.48 | Lunessa | And Coren{de} totally. I got arrested once because I didn't have id and tried to argue my way out of the police encounter. |
| 16:43.51 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: Ah. Just following procedure. Sadly, cops certianly know a lot about that... |
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| 16:45.25 | cog|work | chrome needs a realod every... |
| 16:45.32 | theorbtwo | (Except, of course, when the procedure would benifit you.) |
| 16:46.01 | theorbtwo | My, I'm cynical at the moment, aren't I? |
| 16:46.20 | cog|work | A guy and a girl walk into the convenience store, go to the beer section, pick out some things, the girl leaves and the guy comes to the counter to pay... |
| 16:46.43 | cog|work | I ask to see the girl's id and he then harrasses me over the next few weeks culminating in spitting in my face |
| 16:46.58 | cog|work | wtf is with people and id? |
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| 16:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's when you say "You're welcome to never come back" |
| 16:47.38 | cog|work | that's what got me spit in the face :P |
| 16:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 16:47.46 | zenzelezz | because if they demand the ID, they can at least say that they did what they're required to if the authorities ever go digging |
| 16:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry :( |
| 16:48.01 | zenzelezz | oh wait, you were the employee? |
| 16:48.05 | amro | That's what you say, after a few minutes of kicks to the shins, "now you *can't* come back." |
| 16:48.05 | cog|work | yep |
| 16:48.11 | zenzelezz | then nevermind what I said o_O |
| 16:48.23 | theorbtwo | cog|work: Great. Now you have grounds for assult, rather then needing her to come back and have grounds for tresspas. |
| 16:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 16:48.47 | cog|work | theorbtwo: yeah, i showed the video to the police but he never came back |
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| 16:49.23 | zenzelezz | cog|work: maybe that's why he never came back... has anyone seen him since? |
| 16:49.26 | cog|work | the weirdest part about the whole incident was when I had a $180 collection on my credit report a few years later... |
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| 16:49.31 | cog|work | zenzelezz: this was years ago |
| 16:49.51 | cog|work | i had to get tested for various diseases for workers comp |
| 16:50.02 | cog|work | the hospital never billed the insurance company |
| 16:50.27 | cog|work | and sent their bills to an address where i lived as a freshman in high school ~ 5 years earlier |
| 16:50.58 | Coren{de} | I don't get why you needed to see the girl's ID... the guy was buying actually, no? |
| 16:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Liquor laws are not exactly simple |
| 16:51.24 | theorbtwo | Exactly. |
| 16:51.34 | cog|work | Coren{de}: they both came in, both picked out the alcohol, and she left right before he came to the counter to pay |
| 16:51.51 | theorbtwo | And in some cases, they are unneccessarly harsh on the ordinary clerks. |
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| 16:52.25 | Coren{de} | well, is there any law that demands an ID for pointing at preferred liquors? hm. |
| 16:52.37 | cog|work | Coren{de}: providing alcohol to minors is a felony in the us |
| 16:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that the word "providing" is vague |
| 16:53.12 | cog|work | if there are kids outside and they get some homeless guy to come and buy liquor for them i could be fined. |
| 16:53.31 | Coren{de} | wow. that's crazy :( |
| 16:53.31 | cog|work | (well could've been... thankfully i don't do that kind of work anymore :P ) |
| 16:53.34 | Lunessa | Right, in Texas, for example purchasing beer/liquor for a minor sends you to prison for up to 5 years. |
| 16:53.49 | Coren{de} | that's even insane :(( |
| 16:53.49 | nevcairiel | you or the guy selling? |
| 16:54.06 | Lunessa | the guy selling, the guy buying |
| 16:54.16 | cog|work | nevcairiel: all of the above |
| 16:54.24 | Lunessa | Oh, and the minor goes to Juvie. |
| 16:54.27 | cog|work | ^ |
| 16:54.49 | cog|work | and the company gets slapped with a fine and/or loses their liquor license |
| 16:55.00 | nevcairiel | Its kinda harsh on the guy selling .. i mean if i go to a store and buy some alcohol, how the hell is he supposed to know/check/whatever if i buy for myself or for some kids |
| 16:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And losing your liquor license in cog's position is a bad thing ;) |
| 16:55.22 | zenzelezz | no wai! |
| 16:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: if if was just you, impossible, so the clerk would be fine |
| 16:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: in cog's position, it's pretty darn obvious - no sale unless he could see her ID too |
| 16:55.42 | Coren{de} | I agree that alcohol is one of the more dangerous drugs, but that... is really not a reaction in accordance to the action |
| 16:55.43 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 16:55.52 | cog|work | Coren{de}: agreed |
| 16:56.22 | cog|work | us drug/alcohol laws are utter crap |
| 16:57.20 | Coren{de} | especially the age limit is weird... shoot people at 16 (which actually is like, deadly and stuff!), but drink a beer for fun at 21 |
| 16:57.28 | nevcairiel | they should increase penalities on selling alcohol to minors here, or even move it to 21 as well, kids still drink themself to oblivion |
| 16:57.37 | _rane | rofl, whoever created power auras classic could learn a thing or two about UI design... |
| 16:58.04 | Coren{de} | nev, if kids drink themselves to oblivion, that's not caused by the law, that's caused by actual problems... |
| 16:58.05 | cog|work | raising the age doesn't keep them from drinking |
| 16:58.10 | cog|work | it just makes criminals out of them |
| 16:58.17 | durcyn | _rane: and global namespace pollution |
| 16:58.38 | nevcairiel | cog|work: at least you can get them into juvie then =P |
| 16:59.12 | Coren{de} | nev, because that helps solve anything... afterwards they finally have the right contacts to start a criminal career, eh? |
| 16:59.14 | cog|work | for a victimless crime? |
| 16:59.40 | cog|work | if they do something stupid while drunk they did something stupid |
| 16:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: careful now, don't want MADD bugging you ;) |
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| 16:59.52 | cog|work | madd can suck it :P |
| 17:00.02 | cog|work | like blizzard and comcast |
| 17:00.03 | cog|work | ducks |
| 17:00.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | power to the cog! |
| 17:00.19 | cog|work | gets at&t uverse today |
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| 17:00.42 | durcyn | cog|work: are they still forcing everyone to use those annoying 2wire gateways? |
| 17:00.52 | famicom | anyone here know how i can create more action bars |
| 17:00.55 | famicom | i want lets ssay |
| 17:00.59 | famicom | 20 |
| 17:01.06 | cog|work | durcyn: the ones the size of a small car? |
| 17:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | famicom: an action bar mod? |
| 17:01.10 | Coren{de} | all that should be done is increase the tax on high-% alcohol by a large margin, forbid any marketing and use the money for rehab centers :D |
| 17:01.18 | famicom | ScytheBlade1 yeah |
| 17:01.23 | durcyn | cog|work: the ones that NAT everything by default unless you beat them with sledgehammers |
| 17:01.25 | famicom | but one that doesnt use the standard ones |
| 17:01.27 | Aqua | 2wire gateways.... yuck |
| 17:01.34 | ScytheBlade1 | famicom: well there you go. open wowinterface.com or curse.com and look for action bar mods! |
| 17:01.36 | durcyn | cog|work: and have retarded default SSIDs |
| 17:01.46 | famicom | 2wire gateway |
| 17:01.55 | cog|work | dunno... |
| 17:02.04 | famicom | wan or lan? |
| 17:02.07 | Aqua | get a cisco 800 series router off ebay for cheap, best router i've ever owned |
| 17:02.16 | cog|work | may have some beating to do when i get home... |
| 17:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It is likely |
| 17:02.41 | famicom | Aqua |
| 17:02.45 | famicom | define *cheap* |
| 17:02.52 | Coren{de} | *sigh* is WhoLib also breaking /who on US realms? :| |
| 17:02.54 | Aqua | uder 100 bucks |
| 17:02.57 | famicom | oh |
| 17:02.57 | Aqua | *under |
| 17:02.57 | famicom | not bad |
| 17:03.05 | Aqua | they are rock solid too |
| 17:03.09 | famicom | i know |
| 17:03.18 | famicom | i deal with 20k cisco hardware |
| 17:03.52 | Aqua | i'm getting ready to buy a cisco 3725 |
| 17:03.59 | Aqua | i want to run all my phone sccp again |
| 17:04.07 | famicom | i had one of those in overstock |
| 17:04.20 | Aqua | how much? |
| 17:04.33 | famicom | this was months ago |
| 17:04.36 | Aqua | ooo |
| 17:04.45 | Aqua | i been wanting to spend like 250, 300 on one |
| 17:04.52 | famicom | i got a batch of hardware off some company that had too much money aparently |
| 17:04.53 | Aqua | because i know they can run the voice ios |
| 17:05.05 | Aqua | nice! |
| 17:05.10 | famicom | they bought top of the line new hardware for their infrastructure |
| 17:05.17 | famicom | including spares |
| 17:05.26 | famicom | most of it was still in it's box, never used |
| 17:05.40 | Aqua | i cam across a business that went belly up, and i bought all their cisco ip phones, like 40 bucks a pop, 7940's |
| 17:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | you win |
| 17:06.24 | _rane | durcyn: apparently it really conflicts with something.. I was pulling my hair here trying to get it work and finally tried disabling other addons and it starts to work |
| 17:06.32 | _rane | any idea what it might be conflicting with? |
| 17:06.37 | famicom | Aqua got a good place for me to find shit like that |
| 17:06.43 | famicom | recessions are great for bargain sales |
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| 17:25.33 | foxlit | "Constructor call must be the first statement in a constructor" << Meh, how am I supposed to validate the arguments, then :/ |
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| 17:34.31 | KarlKFI | have to do it int he same line |
| 17:34.38 | KarlKFI | pass it to another method |
| 17:34.50 | KarlKFI | which returns the argument or throws an exception |
| 17:35.04 | foxlit | The keyword being static |
| 17:35.17 | KarlKFI | right |
| 17:35.18 | foxlit | (It objects to instance methods in the same style) |
| 17:35.28 | KarlKFI | no |
| 17:35.33 | foxlit | But meh, I can also just call the superconstructor first, and validate later. |
| 17:35.39 | KarlKFI | it shouldn't if it's int he same line |
| 17:36.13 | foxlit | The objection is that you don't have an instance until the object constructor executes, so you can't call any instance methods |
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| 17:43.06 | krka | it's bad design to do real work in constructors - they should only construct |
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| 17:44.12 | theorbtwo | krka: Depends who you ask... and what language you mean. |
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| 17:44.46 | KarlKFI | by "bad design" he means against the design expectations of java |
| 17:45.03 | foxlit | Argument validation is not work(tm) :) |
| 17:45.23 | KarlKFI | personally i would recommend against using "bad design" in such a context. it leads to animosity |
| 17:45.43 | KarlKFI | or at least defensiveness |
| 17:46.05 | Mikk | counter-productive short-sighted hair-splitting design? |
| 17:47.07 | KarlKFI | argument validation has always been one of those problem areas in OO |
| 17:47.56 | KarlKFI | "if it's not valid, do you really need the object at all?" "Do I validate before I make the object or after?" |
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| 17:49.04 | KarlKFI | it's much simpler to assume any object is a valid object, but then you have to pre-validate all input |
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| 17:50.47 | KarlKFI | and in the interest of encapsulation and brevity it'd be nice to be able to construct and validate at the same time |
| 17:50.58 | KarlKFI | but java doesn't let you |
| 17:52.00 | KarlKFI | and from experience, forcing java to do things is a good way to give yourself headaches. |
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| 18:02.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: (or anyone familiar with pb4) is there a benefit to the Lua Texts over DogTag texts? |
| 18:03.20 | Fisker | is less of a resource hog apparently |
| 18:03.21 | haste | NightHawkTheSane: better performance |
| 18:03.40 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 18:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | kinda a pain in the ass to update all my old texts.. >.> |
| 18:05.25 | NeoTron | just use the builtin migration tool that automa... oh wit |
| 18:05.28 | NeoTron | wait even |
| 18:06.00 | Thunder_Child | i havent even noticed a difference |
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| 18:17.17 | Kraps | http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Monsters-Children-Make-Believe-Violence/dp/0465036953 |
| 18:21.19 | Gnarfoz | great, neither SpyGnome nor VersionChecker work; can anyone recommend alternatives? |
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| 18:24.29 | Fisker | your mom |
| 18:27.41 | Kraps | no u |
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| 18:28.14 | Fisker | nej din mor Kraps |
| 18:29.41 | Kraps | Fisker: google translate > you |
| 18:30.29 | Fisker | you have no idea what it says |
| 18:31.06 | Kraps | did you not comprehend what i just said? |
| 18:32.05 | Thunder_Child | Danish - English |
| 18:32.05 | Thunder_Child | no your mother |
| 18:32.17 | Thunder_Child | fail Fisker, fail |
| 18:32.22 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: that was hard |
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| 18:32.45 | Fisker | that's what google translate wants you to think |
| 18:32.52 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, no kidding. it's made quite a bit easier by the detect language option though. |
| 18:33.56 | Kraps | i googled the term first and the links said "danish" so badabing |
| 18:34.25 | Fisker | google is lying |
| 18:34.43 | Kraps | ^ |
| 18:34.46 | Kraps | wait no |
| 18:35.18 | foxlit | You googled a bing? |
| 18:35.35 | foxlit | Next thing we know, people will be binging googles. |
| 18:35.40 | Thunder_Child | someone needs to watch more 5th element |
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| 18:36.06 | Mikk | yes |
| 18:36.09 | Mikk | at least 3 times a year |
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| 18:37.55 | Fisker | am disappoint |
| 18:40.14 | bloodtear | Hi guys, is anyone here, who can help me with some rActionButtonStyler stuff? |
| 18:40.54 | Cide | it's not only danish but swedish and norwegian as well |
| 18:41.04 | Fisker | nope |
| 18:41.08 | Fisker | swedish and norwegian is just danish |
| 18:41.12 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: you don't have to update your old texts if you don't want to, but it is faster |
| 18:41.12 | Fisker | they ripped us off |
| 18:41.29 | Cide | danish is very different from the other two :P |
| 18:41.45 | Cide | for a layman anyway, maybe not for a linguist |
| 18:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: yeah, i ended up just turning off the lua text module and turning on dogtag for now. I'll get around to it at some point.. *shrug* |
| 18:42.06 | ckknight | k |
| 18:43.27 | bloodtear | noone who can help me? ^_^ |
| 18:43.48 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 18:43.49 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 18:43.58 | bloodtear | okay |
| 18:45.44 | Dagmar | hugs perl |
| 18:45.47 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 18:45.51 | Fisker | can i ask you a question? |
| 18:45.53 | Dagmar | s/perl/purl/; |
| 18:46.02 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, i dont know, can you? |
| 18:46.09 | Dagmar | ~whaleslap Fisker |
| 18:46.12 | Fisker | i'm not sure |
| 18:46.48 | bloodtear | well, i just played a bit around with the ractionbuttonstyler lua to get the border in classcolor. when i reload my ui, some parts of the border hidden. you know what i mean? if not, i can upload a screenshot ^.^ |
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| 18:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | for those who care - penny arcade has a poll on their news page, concerning which of three possible stories you'd like to see play out |
| 18:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's only open for a day and I have no idea when they opened it, so.. |
| 18:49.24 | Cide | I don't care; stop wasting my bw |
| 18:49.31 | ScytheBlade1 | NOU |
| 18:50.24 | KarlKFI | they do that all the time, dont they sbo? |
| 18:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | not all the time, no |
| 18:51.00 | Dagmar | I'd take anything but Jim |
| 18:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a fan of Jim, huh? |
| 18:51.15 | KarlKFI | oh, i'm thinkign of ctrl-alt-del |
| 18:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | blasphemer! |
| 18:53.56 | KarlKFI | what, you only have enough <3 for 2 online comics? (cause I know you like xkcd) |
| 18:53.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cad *was* good |
| 18:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | somewhere about, oh, three-four years ago that changed |
| 18:55.14 | bloodtear | http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=wowscrnshot_061509_203xt4e.jpg -- heres a screenshot of the actionbar. if you zoom in, you can see, that the spellicon is overlaping the border. Any suggestions how this could be? |
| 18:56.36 | Cide | you want us to download the image, open it in our favorite image editing/viewing tool, and zoom in? |
| 18:56.42 | KarlKFI | it's not often funny, it's true. it's more like a comic novel |
| 18:57.17 | KarlKFI | what cide, your browser/os doesn't let you zoom? |
| 18:57.20 | bloodtear | no, you can open it and zoom with your browser^.^ |
| 18:57.20 | KarlKFI | fail |
| 18:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | If I wanted to stay up to date with someone's fantasy relationship e-drama, I would |
| 18:57.25 | amro | Cide: no, open it in MY favorite editor! |
| 18:57.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's put it that way |
| 18:57.49 | Cide | ya, I guess it does |
| 18:57.57 | Cide | too used to ie not zooming properly |
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| 18:59.04 | KarlKFI | hard to tell witht he compression |
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| 18:59.30 | KarlKFI | looks liek only some of them are overlapping, and not always int he same direction |
| 18:59.31 | zenzelezz | bloodtear: is the border placed in such a way that it should be above the spell texture and not at the same level/below? |
| 19:00.11 | KarlKFI | well hopefully he's using the frame border functionality and not a single texture.... |
| 19:00.41 | bloodtear | well, it's a single texture >.<' |
| 19:00.52 | KarlKFI | fail |
| 19:01.07 | bloodtear | i didn's tryed the frameborder, because some icons are not overlaping |
| 19:01.16 | bloodtear | *didn't |
| 19:01.43 | bloodtear | hm, I'll try it that way >.< |
| 19:06.55 | Lunessa | sbo - Re: Penny Arcade - I'd like to see all three. :) |
| 19:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They said they would |
| 19:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | This is just the question of which will be first |
| 19:08.00 | Lunessa | *nod* I bet Lookouts will be the favorite. |
| 19:08.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Lookouts/Jim is, in a sense, more of the same stuff |
| 19:08.25 | Duman | hmm |
| 19:08.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's great, but familiar |
| 19:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Automata is a bit more serious, I'm really curious how that would turn out |
| 19:08.43 | End | I think Automata will |
| 19:08.56 | End | at least |
| 19:09.07 | End | people talk about Automata the most |
| 19:09.17 | Lunessa | Automata looks awesome. If you read Asimov, it will certainly tickle your "what if" button. |
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| 19:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXsd5aw8oas |
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| 19:13.00 | AbsolutRayne | PitBulls inconsistant text mirroring makes me want to knaw on a steel bar. |
| 19:13.35 | AbsolutRayne | More-so of Frustration |
| 19:13.54 | Cruciformer | care for some wiracle-whip with your steel? :) |
| 19:13.55 | End | knaw? |
| 19:13.57 | End | gnaw? |
| 19:15.04 | AbsolutRayne | Cruciformer: Sure |
| 19:15.55 | Cruciformer | I tried pitbull a long time ago and didnt see what extra it gave me that xperl didn't. Sure its quite different now I just havent had a reason to change yet. |
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| 19:17.14 | Thunder_Child | more flexibility. the only thing that had more was duf |
| 19:17.18 | Cruciformer | www.koogle.co.il - Kosher Google FTW :) |
| 19:18.39 | Thunder_Child | it's israel only though |
| 19:18.58 | Cruciformer | It just allowed me to view it ... not that I can understand a word |
| 19:19.09 | Thunder_Child | try it in english http://www.koogle.co.il/English/ |
| 19:19.28 | Cruciformer | but they were talking about it on the radio here today. Filters out material the rabi's deem objectionable. |
| 19:19.55 | Thunder_Child | what a load of crap |
| 19:20.09 | Cruciformer | the site or the radio show? |
| 19:20.18 | Thunder_Child | the site if it filters |
| 19:20.42 | theorbtwo | Nothing wrong with filters if they aren't forced. |
| 19:20.59 | Cruciformer | according to this radio show thats its purpose. filters porn and other content deemed unworthy. |
| 19:21.36 | theorbtwo | Looks more like a business directory then a general-purpose search engine to me. |
| 19:21.57 | Cruciformer | i got no problems with a site like that if it also allows you to use google.co.il ... if they block that, theats censorship and threfore bad. |
| 19:22.34 | Cruciformer | but if people voluntarily (sp?) go to a site that censors according to their customs / religion thats their business. |
| 19:22.34 | batbot | Cruciformer, voluntarily is correct. |
| 19:22.50 | theorbtwo | It doesn't appear that koogle and google have anything in common other then "oogle". |
| 19:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | Which is fun. |
| 19:23.20 | zenzelezz | oogles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:23.22 | Cruciformer | No they are completely unrelated ... I appologise if I implied it was an official google endeavour. |
| 19:23.28 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Rawr! |
| 19:24.43 | theorbtwo | If you keep kosher, a business directory like that is a great thing to have. |
| 19:25.01 | theorbtwo | It's like not looking at the "chinese food" section when you want a pizza. |
| 19:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | wolf-whistles at the pack |
| 19:25.26 | Cruciformer | mmm pizza |
| 19:27.36 | Cruciformer | theres something Ive never tried to combine. I wonder if I can order a chinese pizza. kang pao chicken, sweet n sour port and spring roll pizza sounds yummy. |
| 19:27.45 | Cruciformer | s/port/pork/g |
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| 19:28.00 | Lopeppeppy | Order, probably not. Create at home, I'm sure. |
| 19:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | Paula Deen would know a recipe |
| 19:28.26 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: that would imply I can cook anything more complex than a grilled cheese sandwich :) |
| 19:28.38 | Lopeppeppy | Well, there's your issue, learn to cook |
| 19:29.23 | Cruciformer | it's an option I guess. Esp since I retired. |
| 19:29.27 | NeoTron | Cruciformer: so "spring roll" on a pizza sounds odd |
| 19:29.48 | Thunder_Child | Cruciformer, hardly kosher but i bet there is somewhere on this planet you could order that |
| 19:29.53 | NeoTron | Cruciformer: you could buy premade pizza dough, and order chinese food separately and combine it |
| 19:30.03 | Cruciformer | NeoTron: I think americans call it a "veggie roll" ... its that yummy crunchy stuff they dip in batter and fry. |
| 19:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | << I hate IE of any version. That is all. >> |
| 19:30.18 | NeoTron | Cruciformer: I am aware of what it is but it sounds like an odd thing to put on a pizza |
| 19:30.44 | NeoTron | mainly because of the size and the fact that they are bread themself :P |
| 19:31.05 | Cruciformer | I was thinking more of taking the contents of them not the batter portion :) |
| 19:31.15 | NeoTron | makes more sense |
| 19:31.33 | Cruciformer | but now in thinking about it it doesnt sound that grand on a pizza. I just put all the chinese food stuff I liked on the list. |
| 19:31.34 | NeoTron | I miss Swedish Kebab Pizza. |
| 19:32.10 | Cruciformer | I miss In 'n Out Burger :/ |
| 19:32.17 | AbsolutRayne | Blah |
| 19:32.40 | Cruciformer | that and high speed low-latency internet are the only things I miss about the usa. Oh and 24-hour safeway. |
| 19:32.57 | Mikk | kebab pizza is nice |
| 19:33.05 | Mikk | though hawaiian + bananas + curry = win |
| 19:33.09 | Mikk | ! |
| 19:33.16 | Mikk | waits for the yucks |
| 19:33.25 | Cruciformer | bananas in any cooked form = loss imho |
| 19:33.25 | NeoTron | I don't like fruit on my pizzas |
| 19:33.29 | NeoTron | childhood trauma |
| 19:33.30 | NeoTron | :) |
| 19:33.33 | Mikk | haha |
| 19:33.58 | Pharaunmizz | Ok so GetPVPSessionStats returns hks and honor for the "day" |
| 19:34.02 | NeoTron | rather my dad made some peanut / banana dish that I loved, but I got sick with nausea after eating it for an unrelated reason |
| 19:34.03 | Pharaunmizz | !api GetPVPSessionStats |
| 19:34.03 | lua_bot | GetPVPSessionStats: Returns the number of kills and honor points scored by the player since logging in (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPVPSessionStats) |
| 19:34.09 | NeoTron | and since then I can't stand it |
| 19:34.10 | Pharaunmizz | when does that "day" reset? |
| 19:34.34 | Lopeppeppy | Probably when dailies do? |
| 19:34.49 | NeoTron | my dad had a similar thing at his childhood except it.. he got sick while playing with his favorite toy airplane and since then he couldn't play with it without getting sick |
| 19:35.12 | Pharaunmizz | so some god awful hour like 3 am? |
| 19:35.30 | Pharaunmizz | woo can add that to the list of things I'm never going to test |
| 19:35.31 | NeoTron | body works in weird ways |
| 19:35.34 | NeoTron | I seem to recall getting "pvp lag" daily around 1-2 am? |
| 19:35.41 | Cruciformer | I thought dailies reset at like 10AM server? |
| 19:35.48 | NeoTron | Cruciformer: in the US it's like 3 am |
| 19:36.14 | NeoTron | but instance locks are later so I suspect they are different schedules |
| 19:36.16 | Lopeppeppy | Which I think equates to midnight california time. |
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| 19:36.33 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: 3 am PST |
| 19:36.36 | NeoTron | on a PST server |
| 19:36.46 | Cruciformer | ah I get so confused playing on a US server ina timezone 9 hours away |
| 19:36.46 | NeoTron | but midnight PST on an EST server |
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| 19:37.17 | Pharaunmizz | Ok thanks guys :D |
| 19:37.26 | Cruciformer | my PC clock is set to CST so my logs are accurate but every other clock is local time. |
| 19:42.41 | cog|work | squee... today is "Suck it, Comcast!" day! |
| 19:43.34 | AckisWork | well I've just failed hardcore |
| 19:43.45 | AckisWork | Your Crafting Redemption was returned to our office today with two errors. |
| 19:43.52 | AckisWork | First, it notes that airmail rates from US to Canada of packages 2oz and under is $1.00. |
| 19:43.59 | AckisWork | Second, you spelled the name of your country ‘Camada’. |
| 19:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 19:44.06 | AckisWork | lol |
| 19:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | Look, snow in my town in June!! http://twitpic.com/7hd1g |
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| 19:44.24 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, why are you yelling out a mtg cards name? |
| 19:44.48 | cog|work | huh? |
| 19:45.09 | nicoli_s | Crafting Redemption? wth is that? |
| 19:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: remind me what comcast did to you? |
| 19:45.17 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: they suck |
| 19:45.21 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Aside from the obvious |
| 19:45.36 | nicoli_s | comcast has treated me pretty good, better than mediacom |
| 19:45.46 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: wow TCG/mini's |
| 19:45.52 | cog|work | no, that's pretty much it. Had horrible experiences with them both on service calls and the services they provide |
| 19:45.55 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardscans/MAG10TH/squee,_goblin_nabob.jpg |
| 19:46.13 | Mags | Are there any buff mods out that will give you timer bars for buffs that ONLY YOU can cast on YOURSELF |
| 19:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 19:46.18 | Mags | Or like procs or whatever |
| 19:46.28 | cog|work | and i can get 3x the speed for $5 more /month |
| 19:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got mediocre service, speeds, and pricing - but there are no alternatives |
| 19:46.34 | cog|work | now that they have competition |
| 19:46.56 | cog|work | yep. i finally have an alternative |
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| 19:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing that _really_ infuriates me is that we have municiple fiber |
| 19:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | But my city didn't go for it |
| 19:47.10 | AbsolutRayne | My perfectionist side is going to kill me one of these days. |
| 19:47.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I could have a 50mbit symmetric line for ~$55 a month |
| 19:47.24 | cog|work | :( |
| 19:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing that _really_ pisses me off here is comcast |
| 19:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yes it is, AbsolutRayne. |
| 19:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 19:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | They're upgrading the cities that have said fiber to their higher speed tiers - 24mbit+ |
| 19:47.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And every other city that doesn't (mine), ignoring |
| 19:47.59 | cog|work | of course. |
| 19:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It makes business sense, don't get me wrong |
| 19:48.07 | cog|work | that's what government-granted monopolies do |
| 19:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But I don't have to be happy about it either |
| 19:48.16 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 19:48.17 | AbsolutRayne | Im going nuts @)@ |
| 19:48.29 | cog|work | people bitch and moan about MS all day long i couldn't give a rat's ass |
| 19:48.32 | Cruciformer | anyone know if the iphonr 3gs was delayed? Been hearing rumours it may be. |
| 19:48.43 | cog|work | There are far more insidious examples of monopolies |
| 19:49.51 | cog|work | actually, comcast recently doubled their bandwidth around here, but not me... i don't get cable or phone through them so i have to pay $15 EXTRA for 1/2 the speed |
| 19:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | There are two other things that really, really agitate me |
| 19:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The city to the south of me has the fiber |
| 19:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It is less than 500 feet away from my house |
| 19:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, instead of dropping $1.1 million to build fiber for the entire city |
| 19:50.47 | ScytheBlade1 | The city council bought out a smallish golf course |
| 19:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs |
| 19:51.00 | cog|work | >< |
| 19:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | For that golf course |
| 19:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | They spent I think $100k on a stupid electric sign for it |
| 19:51.43 | NeoTron | golf is important |
| 19:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently |
| 19:51.52 | NeoTron | broadband is a luxury while gold is a basic need |
| 19:52.07 | KarlKFI | golf* |
| 19:52.25 | NeoTron | lol |
| 19:52.26 | NeoTron | gold too |
| 19:52.39 | Cruciformer | actually in terms of revenue into the city, it may well be. A gold course could attract money, whereas fiber upgrades just cost it. |
| 19:52.49 | Cruciformer | goddmait golf |
| 19:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.xmission.com/products/connections/utopia/ |
| 19:53.58 | KarlKFI | yes please |
| 19:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 50mbit symmetric! Residential! |
| 19:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | 500 feet away! Golf course! |
| 19:54.13 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs and stops ranting |
| 19:54.18 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: Utah! |
| 19:54.23 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:54.30 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: move? :) |
| 19:54.33 | KarlKFI | not that it really matter for normal browsing... since most servers wont give you that kind of bandwidth |
| 19:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That takes money |
| 19:54.49 | AbsolutRayne | I have so many Textures that I cant select the one I want on Quartz |
| 19:54.49 | NeoTron | KarlKFI: well with 20/5 from FIOS I often cap out the capabilities |
| 19:54.53 | AbsolutRayne | Because it doesnt scroll |
| 19:54.54 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 19:54.56 | KarlKFI | but think of the USENET! |
| 19:55.24 | ScytheBlade1 | True, that is the one problem I'd have with such a line |
| 19:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Though with 50mbit up, I'm pretty sure I'd blow the 500GB cap to itty bitty bits on any single torrent |
| 19:55.50 | NeoTron | KarlKFI: enough so that I'd like the 50/20 one |
| 19:56.18 | NeoTron | FIOS doesn't have caps I think... At least not published |
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| 19:58.11 | AbsolutRayne | Minus ClassTimer, whats a good Debuff Tracker? |
| 20:00.39 | AbsolutRayne | No one? |
| 20:00.48 | Cruciformer | I still use CT-BuffMod :/ |
| 20:01.14 | Cruciformer | debuffs in red, with nice pretty bars. All I need really. |
| 20:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | Is Class Timer not working for you, AbsolutRayne? |
| 20:01.41 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry, i dont really use an extensive debuff tracker, just ebb. |
| 20:02.15 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: I just wanted to try something different |
| 20:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, little-yellow-different |
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| 20:03.29 | Cruciformer | AbsolutRayne: id take a serious look at ct_buffmod. Depends entirely on exactly what you want from a buff mod but its small and gets he job done for me |
| 20:03.48 | AbsolutRayne | I havent touched a CT mod in years.O_o |
| 20:04.06 | Cruciformer | ct_buffmod and ct_mailmod are the only two I use |
| 20:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | neither has ct, i'm sure :P |
| 20:04.21 | Cruciformer | nah they update regularly |
| 20:04.25 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 20:04.36 | Cruciformer | hello lothaer |
| 20:05.21 | AbsolutRayne | Yawn] |
| 20:05.43 | Lothaer | sorry am i boring you lol |
| 20:07.18 | Cide | I'm confident ct_buffmod is the most efficient buffmod! |
| 20:07.27 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://i41.tinypic.com/2h51z09.jpg Something new im goofing with |
| 20:07.45 | AbsolutRayne | Still needs a lot of work |
| 20:08.02 | Cruciformer | cide: I cant tell if you are being serious or not :) |
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| 20:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | thats easy, cide is never serious. |
| 20:08.37 | Cide | it most likely is |
| 20:08.39 | Lunessa | Cide is always serious. |
| 20:08.41 | Lothaer | cide: Elkanos Buff Bars > CT-BuffMod |
| 20:08.50 | Cide | you're down a dangerous road there |
| 20:09.00 | Cide | in terms of cpu and memory usage, you are most certainly correct |
| 20:09.07 | Cide | 1xxx > 1xx |
| 20:09.20 | Cide | in terms of feature creep, you are most certainly correct |
| 20:09.27 | Cide | in terms of string comparisons, you are most certainly correct |
| 20:09.29 | zenzelezz | CT-Buffmod requires 100+ CPUs? |
| 20:09.31 | Lothaer | http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421967 |
| 20:09.39 | Lothaer | finnies thread ever, youll love it |
| 20:09.41 | Cide | in terms of number downloads, you are most certainly incorrect |
| 20:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | That has pretties, AbsolutRayne. *nod* |
| 20:09.55 | Cide | in terms of the number of features you need, your mileage may vary |
| 20:11.34 | Lopeppeppy | Lothaer, that was mean! |
| 20:12.21 | Aelobin | cowers in fear at the sight of Cide. |
| 20:12.25 | Lothaer | i dont see it that way |
| 20:12.39 | Cide | just fire them up and compare |
| 20:12.41 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple are lame. |
| 20:12.47 | Lothaer | i see it as preparing him/her (probably her) for whats comming |
| 20:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | note to self |
| 20:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | when you pop meat in the microwave to defrost it, be sure to check it, as sometimes the microwave is stupid |
| 20:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid hamburger patty cooking to the plate in the microwave |
| 20:13.50 | Lopeppeppy | Always the microwave is stupid! |
| 20:14.10 | Lothaer | ROFLMAO!!!! |
| 20:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It was gross to put it lightly |
| 20:14.47 | Lothaer | now you gotta clean it :D |
| 20:14.59 | ScytheBlade1 | that's what the disposal is for |
| 20:15.33 | Lunessa | Rayne - How would that look with the text on the bar instead off to the ends? |
| 20:15.35 | cog|work | Lothaer: should also point out that letting someone play your character is against the tos too... ;) |
| 20:15.36 | Cruciformer | I have a rather crude joke about microwaves but I am not sure what teh tollerances for that sort of thing are ehre |
| 20:15.57 | Cruciformer | nor what the tollerances for bad typing are :P |
| 20:16.06 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: Probably best to avoid it. |
| 20:16.08 | Thunder_Child | bad typing is very high...since i am still here |
| 20:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, chances are it wouldn't be any worse than tekkub |
| 20:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But he's an odd sort of exception in terms of raw vulgarity |
| 20:16.26 | Lothaer | Cruciformer: is it the one about the baby? |
| 20:16.34 | Cruciformer | no no baby |
| 20:16.37 | Thunder_Child | baby jokes are valid |
| 20:16.41 | Lothaer | LOL |
| 20:17.01 | Lothaer | what me to tell you the one about the baby and the microwave? or have you heard it? |
| 20:17.11 | Cruciformer | ill whisper it to scythe since he brought up microwaves, he can decide if its repeatworthy :P |
| 20:17.13 | Thunder_Child | the ammount of things that can not be said here is rather low as far as i can tell |
| 20:17.26 | Lothaer | lol |
| 20:17.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. |
| 20:17.33 | Lothaer | AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE |
| 20:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child is NOT a valid filter. *laugh* |
| 20:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:17.52 | Thunder_Child | quite true |
| 20:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | sure, why not |
| 20:18.04 | Lothaer | ok he said its fine |
| 20:18.07 | Lothaer | now post it :D |
| 20:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | not quite |
| 20:18.37 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: I'll dare to cross the line: "World of Warcraft is a stupid waste of time, but it's not as awful as WoWInterface.com" - did that cross the line? :P |
| 20:18.45 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 20:18.48 | Lothaer | ............................... |
| 20:18.50 | Lothaer | lol |
| 20:19.06 | NeoTron | ok! |
| 20:19.13 | nevcairiel | there is a line? |
| 20:19.24 | NeoTron | _____________________________ <- line |
| 20:19.30 | foxlit | << me |
| 20:19.35 | Thunder_Child | ____________________/________________________ |
| 20:19.38 | Thunder_Child | i broke it |
| 20:19.41 | Lothaer | _______________X_____________________ |
| 20:19.49 | AbsolutRayne | Can you add Border Frames on ClassTimer? |
| 20:19.51 | AbsolutRayne | I forget |
| 20:20.27 | Cruciformer | ok back to the grindstone for me. Keeping loot lists in sync is a ballache. |
| 20:20.35 | Lothaer | Chuck Norris is the reason waldo is hiding |
| 20:21.11 | Lothaer | Cruciformer: i feel the same about your mum lol |
| 20:21.13 | Thunder_Child | i stand corrected, chuck norris jokes do cross the line |
| 20:21.39 | Lothaer | your face crosses the line :D |
| 20:21.45 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 20:21.49 | nicoli_s | chuck norris jokes suck |
| 20:21.49 | Lothaer | lol TC |
| 20:25.18 | AbsolutRayne | Hmm |
| 20:25.23 | AbsolutRayne | ClassTimer only shows up as WorldFrame... |
| 20:26.08 | AbsolutRayne | Blah so much for that Idea. |
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| 20:28.19 | Stanzilla_ | AbsolutRayne: I added a "border" to classtimer by giving it a backdrop.. |
| 20:28.24 | AckisWork | @project cnf |
| 20:28.25 | Repo | AckisWork: http://beta.wowace.com/projects/cnf/. Chuck Norris Facts. Game: WoW. Ackis (Manager/Author), Lothaer (Author). Updated: 5 days ago |
| 20:28.27 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: ^ |
| 20:28.35 | Lothaer | you know id love to have a option to change the background of the login screen |
| 20:28.46 | AbsolutRayne | Stanzilla_: Is it possible to Anchor a Backdrop to it though? |
| 20:28.51 | Lothaer | sup ackis |
| 20:28.58 | Stanzilla_ | AbsolutRayne: dunno :/ |
| 20:29.07 | AbsolutRayne | Hmm |
| 20:29.11 | AckisWork | hai Lothaer |
| 20:29.11 | Stanzilla_ | I just wanted a 1px border |
| 20:29.14 | AbsolutRayne | Something ill have to Fiddle with |
| 20:29.14 | Stanzilla_ | for teh looks |
| 20:29.32 | AbsolutRayne | Thats basically what I want, is a nice small border that will look fluent with the rest of the UI |
| 20:29.39 | nicoli_s | Ackis, that is super stupid |
| 20:29.43 | AbsolutRayne | Also, gd SBF just locked up my WoW again. |
| 20:29.50 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: that is super full of win |
| 20:29.57 | AbsolutRayne | AckisWork: Make it actually rain please |
| 20:30.04 | AckisWork | AbsolutRayne: it's raining here |
| 20:30.26 | AbsolutRayne | AckisWork: In Edmonton? How hard |
| 20:31.20 | AckisWork | AbsolutRayne: no idea, I don't have a window at my cubicle anymore :( gf just said it was raining |
| 20:31.28 | AbsolutRayne | Bah |
| 20:32.54 | Lothaer | BS Ackis |
| 20:32.59 | Lothaer | you dont have a GF |
| 20:33.12 | nicoli_s | he does |
| 20:33.29 | AbsolutRayne | SBF also isnt doing what I want. :/ |
| 20:33.33 | Lothaer | .jpeg .mpeg etc dont count as GFs |
| 20:33.44 | AbsolutRayne | Do .gifs count as GFs? |
| 20:33.51 | Lothaer | no |
| 20:33.52 | Lothaer | lol |
| 20:33.55 | AbsolutRayne | :P |
| 20:34.10 | Lothaer | Guardian Forces are not real |
| 20:34.23 | Lothaer | :P |
| 20:38.30 | krka | surely 1080p mkv:s are high def enough to count? |
| 20:41.10 | AbsolutRayne | haha |
| 20:42.43 | Lothaer | FF8 was a good game huh |
| 20:42.52 | Lothaer | not as good as the legendary FFVII though |
| 20:43.05 | Dagmar | Takin' little kids collectible cards == WIN |
| 20:43.29 | AbsolutRayne | I didnt like 8. |
| 20:43.36 | AbsolutRayne | Just could not get into it at all. |
| 20:44.38 | Lothaer | 8 was the quuickest one to finish as well |
| 20:44.49 | Lothaer | you could finish it at like lvl 13 |
| 20:44.50 | Lothaer | :D |
| 20:45.14 | nicoli_s | didnt like 8 |
| 20:45.21 | nicoli_s | though 9 was pretty good |
| 20:46.51 | AbsolutRayne | I loved 9 |
| 20:47.32 | Torhal | FFVIII made me WTF repeatedly for about five minutes before I removed it from the console and never touched it again. |
| 20:48.20 | nicoli_s | i loved 4-7 and 9, wasnt that big a fan of 10 either |
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| 20:49.05 | Lothaer | lol |
| 20:49.26 | Lothaer | you can get VII from the PSN store and if you have a PSP you can copy it to their from your PS3 and play it on your PSP :D |
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| 20:50.47 | Lothaer | you guys hear about Dissidia: Final Fantasy? |
| 20:51.10 | NeoTron | likes The Last Remnant. |
| 20:51.10 | nicoli_s | yah, i heard it was only semi decent though |
| 20:51.21 | Lothaer | not out yet :D |
| 20:51.25 | nicoli_s | in japan it is |
| 20:51.36 | NeoTron | On the PC |
| 20:51.47 | Lothaer | its a PSP game |
| 20:51.52 | nicoli_s | i used to play the hell out of einhander or whatever it was, the fighting game with some ff chars |
| 20:52.32 | Lothaer | http://na.square-enix.com/dissidia/ |
| 20:53.40 | Lothaer | dissidia in August |
| 20:53.50 | Lothaer | XIII and XIV next year |
| 20:54.05 | Lothaer | and hopefully after those they do a PS3 remake of VII :D |
| 20:54.12 | nicoli_s | id get a ps3 for that |
| 20:55.21 | NeoTron | Lothaer: I was talking about Last Remnant :P |
| 20:56.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i really don't want a remake of 7 |
| 20:56.27 | AbsolutRayne | Im loving how this UI is starting to turn out |
| 20:56.40 | AbsolutRayne | NightHawkTheSane: I wouldnt mind it, but I wouldnt go running to buy a PS3 just for it. |
| 20:56.45 | NightHawkTheSane | 7 was good, i had a lot of fun, but if i want to play 7, i get out my psx, ff7 disks, and play it. |
| 20:57.14 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: i just really despise most remakes >< |
| 20:57.19 | nicoli_s | new ps3s cant do backwards compatibility can they? |
| 20:57.28 | AbsolutRayne | I think they can now |
| 20:57.31 | AbsolutRayne | The first batches couldnt |
| 20:57.39 | AbsolutRayne | Unless im thinking Xbox 360 on that |
| 20:57.50 | nicoli_s | no the 360 does, but not all games |
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| 20:58.18 | Lothaer | same here i atm i just put my vii disks in me PS3 though :D |
| 20:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i dont have a ps3, so : |
| 20:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 20:58.38 | AbsolutRayne | I kind of want to get a PS3 |
| 20:58.41 | AbsolutRayne | I dont know though |
| 20:58.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm more tempted to get a 360 |
| 20:58.51 | Lothaer | you should |
| 20:58.55 | nicoli_s | i love my 360 |
| 20:58.55 | Lothaer | better than a 360 |
| 20:59.15 | Lothaer | 360 cant play blu-ray out of the box |
| 21:00.09 | Lothaer | and the controllers are bulky |
| 21:00.25 | nicoli_s | the 360 controllers fit my hands perfectly |
| 21:00.37 | nicoli_s | i even use them for watching shit on my pc with the wireless ones |
| 21:00.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i just havent seen too many really compelling reasons to buy a ps3 *shrug* |
| 21:00.57 | Lothaer | the only console to have worse controlers than xbox/360 was dreamcast |
| 21:01.15 | AbsolutRayne | I need some LUA tag help |
| 21:01.18 | AbsolutRayne | If anyone has a moment |
| 21:01.20 | krka | AbsolutRayne: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" :-) |
| 21:01.32 | Corrodias | 360 controller is pretty nice... though i disagree with some of the design decisions |
| 21:01.43 | Thunder_Child | actually the worst was origonal nintendo...square controllers do not a fun to hold object make |
| 21:01.44 | Corrodias | so yes, for a console controller, compared to the others, it's butt. |
| 21:01.48 | Dagmar | ~asktoask |
| 21:01.48 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:02.21 | AbsolutRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17631617701&postId=177778416921&sid=1#277 |
| 21:02.26 | AbsolutRayne | The tag im using is in that post. |
| 21:02.40 | AbsolutRayne | Its not updating HP, just showing a constant MaxHP, and only ever 100% |
| 21:02.51 | AbsolutRayne | Also, its not adding 'Combat' when I go into Combat |
| 21:03.23 | Lothaer | remember that silly boomerang controller concept with the PS3 was announced? |
| 21:03.36 | tekkub | WTF is an "lua tag"? |
| 21:03.40 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, why are you posting there? |
| 21:03.47 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, it replaced dogtags |
| 21:03.50 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 21:03.58 | tekkub | still eats babies? |
| 21:04.13 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Am I not supposed to? |
| 21:04.19 | Dagmar | Lothaer: Doesn't count since they quickly ditched that piece of crap |
| 21:04.33 | Lunessa | tekkub: It's Pitbull 4's implementation of scripting for text on unit frames - LuaTexts. |
| 21:04.42 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, isnt that post for displaying your UI? |
| 21:04.51 | tekkub | Lunessa: okey, but does it still eat babies? |
| 21:04.59 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: As I said, the coding that im using is in that post. |
| 21:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: yes |
| 21:05.03 | tekkub | okey good |
| 21:05.13 | AbsolutRayne | I though it might be better off than posting it here, and having it jumbled in one line. |
| 21:05.19 | Lunessa | tekkub: I don't know. I'm trying out PB4 and my babies haven't been eaten, even though I dipped them in BBQ sauce. |
| 21:05.20 | tekkub | someone has to do the baby eating, it's best left to pitbull :P |
| 21:05.50 | AbsolutRayne | Oh, and its not updating Power either |
| 21:05.57 | AbsolutRayne | Just noticed that as well |
| 21:06.15 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: you might not have set it to update with the appropriate events |
| 21:06.20 | NightHawkTheSane | the syntax -looks- right |
| 21:06.25 | NightHawkTheSane | but i just skimmed it |
| 21:06.47 | AbsolutRayne | Hmm |
| 21:07.52 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, if you look down at the comments they are already discusing it, you might want to ask there http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/ |
| 21:08.14 | Lothaer | ~seen sylvanaar |
| 21:08.17 | purl | sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 3h 8m 35s ago, saying: 'i think the IMEI'. |
| 21:09.09 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Yeah, I just noticed I didnt have the Stuff checked, minus like the MaxHP, Power, ect |
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| 21:09.13 | AbsolutRayne | Thanks.:) |
| 21:09.19 | Thunder_Child | _^_ |
| 21:09.26 | Thunder_Child | s/_^_/^_^/ |
| 21:10.25 | Lothaer | so whats the latest in the mod world? |
| 21:11.13 | AbsolutRayne | Hum |
| 21:11.18 | AbsolutRayne | Really strange lag. |
| 21:11.30 | KarlKFI | that's not new |
| 21:11.37 | KarlKFI | welcome to wow beta |
| 21:11.47 | ScytheBlade1 | YEA @ http://penny-arcade.com/uploads/2009/06/15/results1.jpg |
| 21:12.10 | KarlKFI | new int he mod world? |
| 21:12.14 | KarlKFI | how new? |
| 21:12.20 | KarlKFI | Spell Check new? |
| 21:12.31 | KarlKFI | NPC Tracker new? |
| 21:12.33 | End | those figures don't suprise me that much, other than lookouts is closer to automata than I expected |
| 21:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was hoping for |
| 21:13.34 | AbsolutRayne | Went away. Guess its just where I was in the zone. O_o |
| 21:13.43 | AbsolutRayne | Maybe near a Phase line or something... |
| 21:14.01 | KarlKFI | UnitFrameBuffs finally updated new? |
| 21:14.24 | KarlKFI | pokes Lothaer with a pointy stick. |
| 21:14.52 | Lothaer | was thiniking more along the lines of something awesome |
| 21:15.04 | Lothaer | ie ArtPad kinda awesome something new and innovative |
| 21:15.13 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, still not showing Combat |
| 21:15.18 | AbsolutRayne | and I dont see a way to Modify that... |
| 21:16.19 | AbsolutRayne | Shefki: PokeNudge |
| 21:16.56 | Shefki | ? |
| 21:17.51 | KarlKFI | Obituary new? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13816-Obituary.html |
| 21:18.00 | KarlKFI | not exactly revolutionary, but nifty |
| 21:18.35 | AbsolutRayne | Shefki: Cant seem to get my Tag to Update when im in Combat or not. Is there a trigger for it on the Events list or no? |
| 21:18.44 | KarlKFI | or you can rofl with me @ http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13797-Bing.html |
| 21:19.01 | Shefki | AbsolutRayne: What tag? |
| 21:19.05 | foxlit | brb filing copyright infringement? |
| 21:19.19 | foxlit | (obviously trademark, but anyway) |
| 21:19.30 | AbsolutRayne | Sent |
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| 21:21.27 | Kaso | Does anyone remeber that thing back in the day where you could fiddle around with multiple raids in order to down content more than once a lock on average |
| 21:21.31 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:21.47 | End | I remember hearing about people doing it |
| 21:21.49 | Grum | that was fixed eons ago |
| 21:22.05 | Kaso | Yah, it was well back. but im trying to remeber the details of how it worked |
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| 21:22.23 | Grum | i think the bug was: you got the raidID from the raidleader when you entered an instance where the raidleader was already inside |
| 21:22.27 | Kaso | it was back when raid locks were 7 day from your first boss kill rather than a set time/date and im sure that had something to do with it |
| 21:22.45 | Grum | no |
| 21:22.49 | Grum | it was purely raidids afaik |
| 21:23.31 | End | I think they changed from 7 day sliding due to server performance instead of due to dodging instance locks |
| 21:23.42 | End | or at least, I think that's what Blizzard claimed :P |
| 21:23.53 | Kaso | that doesn't sound right to me, im sure i remeber something about juggling people between to separate raids or something |
| 21:24.00 | Kaso | it was so long ago im having trouble remebering though |
| 21:24.02 | Grum | yes that is what i am saying Kaso |
| 21:24.27 | Kaso | But what you're saying means that and person could do a raid infinite times |
| 21:24.29 | Grum | what happened was: 1 raid of 40 clears the first instance |
| 21:24.31 | Kaso | im not sure that was the case |
| 21:24.48 | Grum | then they get enough people to kill the first boss in another raid so people get saved to that instance id |
| 21:25.06 | Grum | and then 39 people of the first raid go into the instance of the second raid |
| 21:25.09 | Grum | right now you cant do that |
| 21:25.17 | Grum | as your raid-id is simply fixed until the reset |
| 21:25.32 | Grum | back then you could get a new one if you joined an instance with a raidleader with another raidid already inside |
| 21:25.33 | Kaso | ah yes |
| 21:25.36 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.47 | Kaso | actually that sounds about right |
| 21:25.54 | End | it sounds plausible to me |
| 21:26.00 | Grum | i think the only crux was that you needed to kill a boss |
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| 21:26.04 | Dagmar | Now you just wind up in a different instance |
| 21:26.12 | Grum | so if you had a really big guild you could do that |
| 21:26.23 | Grum | but people even 'bought' instances of guilds that didn't plan to clear it |
| 21:26.36 | Grum | ea they only did the first 3 bosses in MC and then left it until it reset |
| 21:26.42 | Dagmar | I've "bought" Karazhan instances and so on just to run around and take pictures |
| 21:26.55 | Grum | then a highend guild could 'buy' the instance and clear the rest of the bosses on the last day orso |
| 21:27.01 | Dagmar | No need to clear something on Monday nights if you can hand someone 50g to let you into an empty place |
| 21:27.14 | Grum | well paying for Kara is just silly :p |
| 21:27.23 | Kaso | I remember there was people stealing instances as well wasn't there? |
| 21:27.26 | Dagmar | Soloing bosses in Kara is more silly. |
| 21:27.26 | Grum | you could have just asked for anyone with a cleared raid to go into the raid with them ;) |
| 21:27.37 | Kaso | inviting opposite guild member to get their raid id. make em leader, or something |
| 21:27.51 | Dagmar | The 50g from me is for their time |
| 21:27.54 | Grum | Kaso: yeah that is how you could 'buy' a raid-id |
| 21:28.07 | Grum | Dagmar: you pay well for 5 seconds of work |
| 21:28.12 | Dagmar | I do. |
| 21:28.21 | Grum | because it is only: invite, turn into raid, promote other, join instance |
| 21:28.22 | Dagmar | They don't get 50g if I have to stand around a half hour looking |
| 21:28.34 | Grum | they can just leave after that |
| 21:28.41 | Dagmar | If I offer 50g outright in Trade, someone better come a'runnin' and they generally do. |
| 21:28.45 | Grum | if you have the raidid you dont get booted from the instance if you loose your raid |
| 21:29.07 | Grum | ah well |
| 21:29.18 | Grum | right now they finally fixed the 'accidental getting of a raidid' |
| 21:29.26 | Grum | which was the only thing left to cover |
| 21:29.28 | Dagmar | Same as when I finally decided I wanted to go to Dalaran. "going rate" or not, I offered 20g and someone was right there ready to port me |
| 21:29.41 | Grum | lol |
| 21:29.48 | Grum | or you just do the quest at lvl73 ;) |
| 21:29.50 | Kaso | i went to dalaran via wintergrasp |
| 21:29.55 | Kaso | took ages but was fun |
| 21:30.19 | Grum | you actually get the portal quest around 73 :p |
| 21:30.25 | Dagmar | Grum: My patience on the new toys ran out before I was halfway through 72. |
| 21:30.35 | Grum | hehe |
| 21:31.15 | Dagmar | I bought the motorcycle a couple months ago, have done little but a few raids and tournament stuff since, and I'm already back up to 5000g. |
| 21:31.23 | Dagmar | Oh and I bought epic flyers on a new DK too. |
| 21:31.28 | Dagmar | People who buy gold are morons. |
| 21:31.42 | Grum | hehe |
| 21:31.43 | Dagmar | It's entirely too easy to just make money with a tradeskill |
| 21:31.52 | Grum | depends on the server you are on |
| 21:31.55 | Grum | but yeah |
| 21:31.57 | Aelobin | and what tradeskill you got :P |
| 21:32.10 | Dagmar | I started a new character on a low-pop server to help people in the office start a guild there. |
| 21:32.13 | Grum | yes if you only have first aid you are not going to be rich |
| 21:32.42 | Pharaunmizz | Why the hell would someone say "post on your main" in the UI/Macro forums? Because obviously posting from a different character will magically make the addons function differently, right? |
| 21:32.49 | Dagmar | I bought two the of the guild tabs in about two weeks |
| 21:32.59 | Dagmar | ...and leveled two crafting skills to 300. |
| 21:33.07 | Aelobin | Dagmar: copper ore prices are silly xD |
| 21:33.12 | Dagmar | ...ane I'm still up to my neck in leftover scrolls |
| 21:33.20 | Dagmar | Aelobin: Mining wasn't one of them |
| 21:33.23 | Dagmar | I'm *lazy*. |
| 21:33.25 | Grum | scrolls? |
| 21:33.26 | Dagmar | I don't do gathering skills. |
| 21:33.29 | Grum | what kind of scrolls? :p |
| 21:33.34 | Dagmar | Grum: Enchanting scrolls |
| 21:33.41 | Grum | people actually buy those? |
| 21:33.44 | Grum | good lord people are crazy indeed |
| 21:33.47 | Dagmar | By the ton |
| 21:33.51 | Aelobin | Dagmar: tailoring/ench ? |
| 21:33.59 | Dagmar | Vellums aren't particularly expensive |
| 21:34.04 | Dagmar | Aelobin: Yep |
| 21:34.17 | Grum | what lvl of enchants did you sell? |
| 21:34.25 | Aelobin | i only make my money on netherweave bags atm, tis nice and easy money but i dont really play my main xD |
| 21:34.47 | Dagmar | Grum: Honestly, if you're willing to go whack on say, Scarlet Monastery, Deadmines, etc until your bags are full, you can turn all that into scrolls and just sell them at about 15% over cost |
| 21:35.09 | Grum | o.O |
| 21:35.13 | Dagmar | ...and they will *sell* so long as you're not being stupid and say, listing 50 +2 spirit to shield scrolls |
| 21:35.21 | Grum | lowlevel scrolls |
| 21:35.24 | Grum | what do they sell for? :p |
| 21:35.33 | Dagmar | Low level scrolls, high level scrolls, make them cheap enough and people WILL buy them |
| 21:35.47 | Dagmar | Grum: 15% over the price the shards/dusts/essences would sell for |
| 21:36.08 | Aelobin | nethweave bags is like buyout all stacks of cloth up to 8g per stack, make em into bags, and theyll sell for 11-16g by the next day :P |
| 21:36.16 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 21:36.18 | Aelobin | no matter how much you flood the market xD just depends on competition though |
| 21:36.20 | Grum | armor vellum III is the highest right? |
| 21:36.46 | Dagmar | If you're not going crazy and trying to gouge out a >300% profit margin, you can sell a lot of stuff that you just bought from the AH and spent five minutes diddling with |
| 21:36.56 | Dagmar | Grum: For now, afaik yea |
| 21:37.12 | Grum | ah well |
| 21:37.18 | Grum | needing money is for the weak ;) |
| 21:37.22 | Dagmar | Aelobin: Being able to batch post as well as no deposits makes it feasible to keep a stock supplied in the AH |
| 21:37.47 | Dagmar | Grum: This would be why I no longer need money and can pay someone 50G to hurry their butt up with giving me that used-up raid id |
| 21:37.55 | Aelobin | i always post at 12 hours instead of 48 as i know theyll sell, and if i get undercut it's only a 15s loss |
| 21:38.05 | Grum | Dagmar: humz how much money do you have then? :) |
| 21:38.08 | Aelobin | i mean, 15s less on my profit |
| 21:38.21 | Dagmar | I don't even bother with 12h anythings. |
| 21:38.32 | Grum | 12h is nice for stuff that needs frequent undercutting |
| 21:38.35 | Dagmar | When 100 scrolls or more might come back to your mailbox at once, that gets tedious |
| 21:39.09 | Dagmar | ...and the epic leatherworking either sells or not. Since I"m not trying to make vast sums of money off each one, they'll sell in 24h usually |
| 21:39.28 | Dagmar | ...and then I list another one, so the guys "above" me have no idea I didn't just undercut them _once_ |
| 21:39.54 | NeoTron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVdRCVWieo |
| 21:40.02 | Aelobin | i only undercut on bid price, not buyout :P probably because i'm a bastard xD |
| 21:40.04 | Grum | ah well, i gave up on making money |
| 21:40.23 | Dagmar | Aelobin: I *really* wish these fools would learn that bids will win stuff |
| 21:40.54 | KarlKFI | instant gratification |
| 21:40.54 | Aelobin | you mean when they undercut your buyout and you wish theyd undercut your bid so you could keep the buyout up when you re-undercut them? :P |
| 21:40.56 | Dagmar | I've had to tell people who were trying to get me to make them something for free "For pete's sake just stop wasting my time and drop a lowball bid on my auction" |
| 21:41.29 | Dagmar | ...because I set the minimum on the blues at 15% over cost, and the purples at 25% over cost. |
| 21:41.38 | NeoTron | if things don't have a buyout I don't buy it |
| 21:41.44 | Grum | indeed |
| 21:41.46 | Grum | never ever |
| 21:41.48 | Dagmar | ...and that would be _my_ costs, i.e., the really low 4am supply glut prices |
| 21:41.48 | NeoTron | because if I need something I need it now, not a day or two later |
| 21:42.39 | Dagmar | Yeah this would be another reason why other people always seem broke |
| 21:43.02 | Dagmar | Getting impatient, paying 200g more than they needed to on stuff |
| 21:43.06 | KarlKFI | money is for spending ;) |
| 21:43.19 | Dagmar | I'm picking up i213 stuff now for ~700g |
| 21:43.19 | NeoTron | I haven't made money at all during WotLK (as in, intentionally) |
| 21:43.31 | Dagmar | ...just because I'll drop a bid on it if I can use it |
| 21:43.33 | NeoTron | so I'm getting low - only like 21kg left |
| 21:43.39 | Grum | nowai first farming and then having 100000g you never spend |
| 21:43.42 | Dagmar | wh0rd |
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| 21:44.25 | Dagmar | I'm trying to resist the urge to just buy those slime stream bands I've been wanting, simply because it's the last non-Ulduar piece I could upgrade to |
| 21:44.42 | Dagmar | Grobby's bein' stingy |
| 21:45.07 | Kraps | here we go again http://www.hpana.com/news.20866.html |
| 21:45.38 | KarlKFI | my guild takes bank donations for dkp and sells all boe's and disenchants greens/blues, then the guild pays for repairs, consumables, enchants and gems. So as long as enough peopel "donate" in return for max 50 dkp/wk everyone basically raids for free. So I dont even need much money anymore |
| 21:45.58 | Grum | money for dkp? |
| 21:46.00 | Grum | that is a fail system |
| 21:46.13 | sioraiocht_ | how do you guys manage your totems? I haven't found an addon for it that I am crazy about... |
| 21:46.13 | KarlKFI | money or mats |
| 21:46.27 | Grum | KarlKFI: dkp should be reward for time, not for gold |
| 21:46.31 | Grum | you can gbuy gold |
| 21:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | no, DKP should die |
| 21:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | period |
| 21:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 21:46.50 | Dagmar | Grum: Seems like if the guild members are all mellow people it would save a lot of hassle |
| 21:46.56 | Grum | nothing wrong with DKP, just stuff wrong with people |
| 21:46.59 | KarlKFI | sure, and that's your perogative. but since it maxes at 50 dkp per week it can't really be abused by buying gold |
| 21:47.14 | Grum | depends how much 50dkp costs |
| 21:47.24 | Grum | and how much you get from other sources (dkp) |
| 21:47.37 | KarlKFI | we get dkp per time spend in raid and bosses killed |
| 21:47.49 | Grum | and how much is that per week? :) |
| 21:47.54 | KarlKFI | standby gets the same as raiders as long as they're on and in the standby list |
| 21:48.12 | KarlKFI | havne't really calculated, but substantially more than 50 |
| 21:48.20 | Dagmar | It'll let people who can tolerate farming do their farming thing to help the guild |
| 21:48.23 | Grum | guess? :D |
| 21:48.25 | NeoTron | KarlKFI: raiding for free... by donating mats doesn't make sense |
| 21:48.36 | KarlKFI | let me check the #s but i think 50 is like a normal boss kill or 2 |
| 21:48.40 | NeoTron | since donated mats are not free |
| 21:48.56 | KarlKFI | you dont have to donate tho |
| 21:49.01 | Dagmar | I'd rather just smash my nose with a heavy book for an hour rather than just kill elementals or wolves over and over |
| 21:49.10 | KarlKFI | just need enough peopel donating to make it work |
| 21:49.11 | Grum | the amount of mats needed for a full week of wiping is amazing |
| 21:49.35 | KarlKFI | actually, boe purples usually pay for most of the repairs |
| 21:49.38 | NeoTron | BoE's have been sufficient for my guild to provide flasks, gems, enchants |
| 21:49.57 | Dagmar | Yeah, if you can't get 1000g out of a couple of bosses in Ulduar, it's time to maybe think about some simpler game |
| 21:49.58 | NeoTron | and random people do food |
| 21:49.58 | KarlKFI | but donations fund the consumables/gems/enchants |
| 21:50.22 | Dagmar | Perhaps FreeRealms would be more yer speed. ;) |
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| 21:50.49 | KarlKFI | plus we only really raid 4 days a week |
| 21:51.02 | KarlKFI | the weekend raqids aren't on and dont give dkp |
| 21:51.06 | Grum | 25 people, 4 hour flasked a 25g per flask .. only that rips a dent of 2500g per raiding day in your bank |
| 21:51.32 | tekkub | whiner |
| 21:51.43 | tekkub | why are you paying for their flasks? :P |
| 21:51.45 | NeoTron | I don't like whine, but I like cheese |
| 21:51.51 | KarlKFI | and 1 naxx run with like 1/2 raiders goes a long way for enchanting mats and boes as well |
| 21:52.10 | NeoTron | tekkub: my guild started with enchants and then realized we had excess gold so moved on to flasks |
| 21:52.11 | KarlKFI | can knock that out with alts in liek 3 horus |
| 21:52.17 | NeoTron | havent' done repairs because it's not controllable |
| 21:53.03 | tekkub | you know... they should make it so you could link repair bots created by people of a certain rank only to replair from the bank |
| 21:53.08 | tekkub | that'd make it controllable |
| 21:53.18 | KarlKFI | anyway, i find occasionally flying in circles mining or farming elementals for an hour fairly relaxing if there's no competition |
| 21:53.40 | Grum | guildrepairs .. if you spend a night wiping you have about 120g per person on average .. so that is another 3000g :p |
| 21:53.55 | KarlKFI | not particularly rewarding or exciting, but takes less brain power than dailies |
| 21:54.08 | Grum | and ~150g for fishfeasts for the night |
| 21:54.28 | KarlKFI | who pays for fishfeasts? we got half a guild of fishers and cooks |
| 21:54.39 | tekkub | a guild without fishers |
| 21:54.43 | Grum | ey, if your guildbank is paying it all |
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| 21:54.50 | tekkub | you still have to have the cook |
| 21:54.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ and with the terrorfish daily, you probably have plenty to go around |
| 21:54.53 | Dagmar | You could always just break into three 10-man groups until people learn WTF they're doing. |
| 21:55.00 | Grum | then the cost per raidday is ~6500g orso |
| 21:55.25 | KarlKFI | yeah, and boe 25man ulduar epics can go for 10k+ |
| 21:55.38 | Grum | you are on a sucky server then |
| 21:55.47 | Grum | at most they net 5k here :) |
| 21:56.00 | KarlKFI | some do, |
| 21:56.12 | Grum | and normally you'd get about 1-4 that you can sell each week |
| 21:56.39 | KarlKFI | then again, armorylite says i'm top pally ont he server... so maybe our server does suck... |
| 21:57.32 | Dagmar | What kind of crazy math are you doing that has 30 people costing 6500g, but 25 people costing 3000g |
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| 21:57.50 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 21:57.57 | Grum | euh? |
| 21:58.21 | jnwhiteh | hunter/druid |
| 21:58.22 | jnwhiteh | versus paladin |
| 21:58.23 | Grum | learn to read? if you do flasks+repairs+food from guildbanks gold you'll loose ~6k gold per evening |
| 21:58.24 | jnwhiteh | we cannot kill him |
| 21:58.25 | jnwhiteh | he cannot kill us |
| 21:58.26 | jnwhiteh | help |
| 21:58.48 | KarlKFI | lol, holy pally? |
| 21:58.58 | Dagmar | Make people stop being babies and get their own flasks |
| 21:58.58 | KarlKFI | cant be ret... ret woulda died already |
| 21:59.10 | Grum | Dagmar: i agree |
| 21:59.10 | jnwhiteh | holy |
| 21:59.19 | KarlKFI | yeah holy pallies are a pain, esp for hunters |
| 21:59.19 | Dagmar | Either way you cited figures that don't add up |
| 21:59.26 | KarlKFI | give up? |
| 21:59.29 | tekkub | I always have my own flasks and food |
| 21:59.29 | Grum | Dagmar: why? |
| 21:59.35 | tekkub | and I rarely touch either :) |
| 21:59.44 | Dagmar | ...especially once it's figured in that three ten mans will get 3x the drops of 1 25man |
| 21:59.47 | Grum | 25 people, 4 flasks, 25g a flask, 4 hour raid (which is normal) -- 2500g |
| 21:59.57 | jnwhiteh | KarlKFI: its 2v1 |
| 21:59.59 | KarlKFI | dont feel too bad tho. if he was ret you woulda killed him, cause ret pallies can't kill druids any more |
| 22:00.00 | jnwhiteh | that would be terrible =/ |
| 22:00.19 | Grum | if you wipe all night on hardmodes you have ~120g for repairs so 3k gold, add more stuff for haste pots etc you easily have 6k an evening |
| 22:00.24 | tekkub | they should just replace flasks with cauldrons, like they did for the resists |
| 22:00.27 | KarlKFI | i can pwn the snot outa a hunter. but then i wouldn't be able to killt he druid |
| 22:00.32 | Dagmar | If you wipe all night on them you shouldn't be doing them. |
| 22:00.42 | Dagmar | You're expecting *luck* to carry you through where skill obviously can't. |
| 22:01.17 | jnwhiteh | full mana |
| 22:01.18 | jnwhiteh | full health |
| 22:01.19 | Dagmar | Either that or you're simply paying through the nose to figure out the fights. |
| 22:01.22 | jnwhiteh | nothing we can do can stop that |
| 22:01.23 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 22:01.44 | KarlKFI | pretty much |
| 22:01.46 | Grum | Dagmar: do hardmodes o.O |
| 22:02.00 | Dagmar | Grum: How does "no" stike you |
| 22:02.08 | Dagmar | When my people are actually geared enough for that, we'll probably stomp them |
| 22:02.13 | Grum | lol |
| 22:02.26 | Grum | yes because from naxx gear to ulduar gear there is SO much upgrade o.O |
| 22:02.26 | Dagmar | In the meantime, we are doing the non-hard modes to _get_ some more gear |
| 22:02.27 | KarlKFI | to kill a holy pally i smash them till they bubble, switch and get the dps to half, then switch back tot he pally and smash him till he's dead. but hunter doesn't have the burst for that |
| 22:02.34 | Dagmar | Grum: There actually is. |
| 22:02.49 | Grum | there isnt that much |
| 22:02.52 | Grum | maybe 15% |
| 22:02.54 | Dagmar | Yes, there is. |
| 22:03.02 | Dagmar | 15% is a pretty damn sizeable amount |
| 22:03.05 | durcyn | ulduar hard modes are doable in all 226 gear |
| 22:03.06 | KarlKFI | otherwise you'd need a silence + burst or mana drain |
| 22:03.14 | Grum | Dagmar: which hardmodes did you do on 25m? |
| 22:03.25 | Dagmar | I don't rmeember because I"m usually drinking |
| 22:03.37 | Grum | then please just stfu >< |
| 22:03.38 | Beladona | wowcompares is down. Yes it is intentional. I have a news blurb about it at beladona.wowinterface.com if people care. It will be moved to the new host in the next week or so. |
| 22:03.47 | KarlKFI | jnwhiteh: get your hunter to use the mana drain shot thing |
| 22:03.48 | Dagmar | You definitely don't just go straight from Naxx to Ulduar clears |
| 22:03.57 | Grum | Dagmar: you do? |
| 22:04.08 | durcyn | depends on who 'you' is in that context |
| 22:04.12 | Dagmar | ...not unless your entire guild has pillaged Naxx until it's empty, and even then you don't do them on hard modes |
| 22:04.22 | Grum | you do? |
| 22:04.29 | Dagmar | Ulduar was pretty much designed to require you clear it well on "easy mode" |
| 22:04.32 | durcyn | but yes, my guild cleared ulduar on the first week and did hard modes the second, so you're probably full of crap |
| 22:04.40 | Grum | indeed o.O |
| 22:04.48 | Beladona | its doable |
| 22:04.58 | durcyn | stop being so afraid and go try it ;) |
| 22:05.02 | Grum | doable or not, you will be wiping on them in either way |
| 22:05.03 | Dagmar | durcyn: Your people probably have some sense to them then |
| 22:05.13 | Grum | Dagmar: you clearly dont as you are always drinking o.O |
| 22:05.21 | durcyn | Dagmar: some do, some don't. there are what, 3 hard modes with timers, and the rest are pure execution |
| 22:05.41 | durcyn | XT has a hard enrage, hodir has a timer, council has a soft enrage, and the rest you just have to not fuck up |
| 22:05.44 | Dagmar | My people are geared for Naxx. That gear won't clear Ulduar |
| 22:05.50 | durcyn | sure it will |
| 22:05.56 | Grum | thorim has soft enrage as well |
| 22:06.01 | Beladona | the biggest thing that prevented clears the first week was the issue with Ignis and other bosses being overtuned |
| 22:06.03 | Dagmar | PUt on all i200's and clear Ulduar then |
| 22:06.15 | Grum | knock x3 has a min-dps requirement as well |
| 22:06.20 | Grum | mimiron has a timer |
| 22:06.21 | Beladona | but given current difficulty, after the hotfixes, a full clear would have entirely been possible |
| 22:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: while i'm glad you guys are good enough to clear hard modes on your second week, my guild spent last night wiping to easy-mode hodir-25.. we're not doing any hard modes anytime soon. :P |
| 22:06.24 | KarlKFI | lol half the bosses have been nurfed to shit now |
| 22:06.24 | durcyn | i don't have any 200 gear anymore, or i totally would |
| 22:06.33 | durcyn | NHTS: get better imo! |
| 22:06.38 | Dagmar | Hmm... I may talk the guild leader into giving it another go then |
| 22:06.44 | durcyn | what are we arguing about anyway |
| 22:06.46 | Grum | Ignis was completely no problem the first week |
| 22:06.53 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: tell that to the other 25 people >< i'm already pushing out ~20% of all the healing regularly.. |
| 22:06.56 | KarlKFI | the onyl actually challenginge fight we've had was thorim 25 |
| 22:06.57 | Grum | many just skipped him .. we killed it without much problems after 1.5hrs of wiping |
| 22:07.01 | durcyn | not doing hard modes just because they look difficult? that's still silly |
| 22:07.06 | Dagmar | We got kicked back out pretty firmly by the second and third guys we took a swing at in Ulduar, but that was before all the nerfs |
| 22:07.06 | Beladona | a LOT of guilds had issues with Ignis-25 the first week |
| 22:07.22 | Beladona | luckily he was an optional boss |
| 22:07.24 | Dagmar | We figured we'd just finish the pillaging of Naxx and then go after it again |
| 22:08.14 | Grum | KarlKFI: euh you did knockknock/firefighter? |
| 22:08.27 | Dagmar | By the way, during Sapphiron, the hunter ability to get yourself out of traps is NOT your friend |
| 22:08.30 | KarlKFI | ? |
| 22:08.34 | durcyn | if you want to blame it on gear go for it, but gear certainly is not the only factor |
| 22:08.44 | Grum | you say the only challenge was thorim hard o.O |
| 22:08.50 | KarlKFI | no not hard |
| 22:08.54 | KarlKFI | normal |
| 22:09.00 | Beladona | thorim hard wasn't that bad |
| 22:09.04 | Grum | oh ... |
| 22:09.13 | KarlKFI | the only normal mode challenge was thorim 25. |
| 22:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: that was my point really, that gear is not the factor for some people :) |
| 22:09.26 | KarlKFI | and really it was jsut cause we had stupid peopel who kept dying |
| 22:09.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but i digress |
| 22:09.27 | Beladona | and thats mostly execution imho |
| 22:09.41 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 22:09.54 | KarlKFI | we just needed people who could stick to the plan and not do stupid things |
| 22:09.55 | Grum | most fights are execution though |
| 22:10.09 | Beladona | I like fights where you can easily point at someone and say "YOU MADE US WIPE" |
| 22:10.12 | Beladona | THorim is like that |
| 22:10.21 | jnwhiteh | and now we're sitting |
| 22:10.21 | jnwhiteh | alone |
| 22:10.22 | Beladona | Yogg sucks because you can't always tell who it was |
| 22:10.24 | jnwhiteh | in the arena |
| 22:10.28 | jnwhiteh | because we can't kill a fucking paladin |
| 22:10.38 | Grum | jnwhiteh: you have a hunter? |
| 22:10.42 | Grum | drain mana? :p |
| 22:10.45 | KarlKFI | like "hey guys, i'm gonna stand over by this lightening tower thing cause i'm afraid of worlwinds" |
| 22:10.50 | jnwhiteh | Grum: cleanse |
| 22:10.52 | Gnarfoz | yogg is so much going on, I hate not being able to pin it to something specific |
| 22:11.02 | jnwhiteh | and LoS |
| 22:11.06 | jnwhiteh | we're in Sewers |
| 22:11.06 | Pytlask | laughs and remembers Baron geddon fondly |
| 22:11.08 | Grum | drain is instant |
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| 22:11.14 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Master's Call? |
| 22:11.23 | Dagmar | Don't use it during Sapphiron. ;) |
| 22:11.28 | Dagmar | It WILL get you out of the ice cube. |
| 22:11.31 | Grum | jnwhiteh: you have druid+hunter vs paladin? |
| 22:11.36 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 22:11.40 | Gnarfoz | stand on the grates then |
| 22:12.00 | Dagmar | I hit it just out of habit last week. |
| 22:12.12 | Gnarfoz | you have a habit of fucking up Sapphiron kills? |
| 22:12.14 | KarlKFI | and wiped the raid? |
| 22:12.25 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 22:12.47 | Grum | humz you can do a chain of frosttraps/cyclones to make sure he doesnt get a single heal of |
| 22:12.58 | Grum | and just drain before you trap ? |
| 22:13.06 | jnwhiteh | this hunter is not very good. |
| 22:13.14 | Gnarfoz | apparently |
| 22:13.15 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 22:13.16 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:13.24 | Gnarfoz | someone figure out for me why we need 4 damn brain phases on yogg |
| 22:13.25 | Gnarfoz | :[ |
| 22:13.33 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Hey I was shocked it worked |
| 22:13.39 | Grum | 10/25m? |
| 22:13.43 | Gnarfoz | 25m |
| 22:13.54 | Grum | how long before the 'brain gets reached' ? |
| 22:13.57 | Gnarfoz | rolled over yogg10 second ID, I still wonder what's so different about him on 25man |
| 22:14.12 | Grum | nothing, just way more to dps |
| 22:14.14 | Gnarfoz | 35seconds left some times, 25 seconds other times :\ |
| 22:14.22 | Grum | that should be ample |
| 22:14.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 22:14.30 | Gnarfoz | we even have heroism |
| 22:14.32 | jnwhiteh | he's scatter shotting |
| 22:14.33 | Grum | how much of a marging before people return from the brain? |
| 22:14.34 | Dagmar | THe "habit" was getting out of frost traps |
| 22:14.35 | Gnarfoz | I just don't get it at all |
| 22:14.36 | Grum | <2 seconds left? |
| 22:14.36 | jnwhiteh | whats cooldown on sting |
| 22:14.44 | Grum | should be no cooldown jn |
| 22:14.46 | Gnarfoz | I call "gtfo" at 5 |
| 22:14.52 | jnwhiteh | jesus |
| 22:14.53 | Gnarfoz | which equals to about 2 seconds left |
| 22:14.58 | Grum | oh 15s cooldown |
| 22:15.35 | jnwhiteh | 15 seconds |
| 22:15.37 | Gnarfoz | we finally managed to reach phase 3 with everyone alive twice tonight, but man there's a lot of stuff going sideways still |
| 22:15.43 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 22:15.46 | jnwhiteh | no idea how to do this |
| 22:16.04 | Gnarfoz | (on 10man we don't even bother with yogg, we're spending time on hard modes there ^^) |
| 22:16.35 | Gnarfoz | wtb de/buff uptime thingy on WoL |
| 22:16.40 | Gnarfoz | it looks awesome :D |
| 22:16.51 | Gnarfoz | but not yet released :( http://static.worldoflogs.com/files/miles/uptimes.png |
| 22:18.00 | Grum | Gnarfoz: 25m is severely harder than 10m |
| 22:18.03 | Grum | the scaling is just insane |
| 22:18.09 | Gnarfoz | I noticed as much, hehe |
| 22:18.10 | Grum | we faceroll knockx3 on10m |
| 22:18.23 | Grum | and on 25 we cant even kill with 2 properly |
| 22:18.23 | Gnarfoz | oh, that's what we're currently on in 10man, not quite there yet |
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| 22:18.41 | Gnarfoz | mostly, detonating lashers are a pain |
| 22:18.47 | Grum | yeah |
| 22:18.53 | Gnarfoz | the other guys we have under control, I think |
| 22:19.02 | Grum | hug on freya; aoe until ~25% then spread and single target them |
| 22:19.16 | Gnarfoz | Blizz's broken auth servers killed our last raid prematurely |
| 22:19.25 | Gnarfoz | so we didn't have time to try with 1 tank instead of 2 |
| 22:19.34 | Gnarfoz | because that's apparently how many people do it |
| 22:19.40 | Gnarfoz | 1/3/6 |
| 22:19.57 | Grum | 1/3/6? |
| 22:20.00 | Gnarfoz | 2/3/5 is just too low dps, and 2/2/6 is too few heals :X |
| 22:20.02 | Grum | tank/heal/dps? |
| 22:20.03 | Gnarfoz | tanks/healers/dps |
| 22:20.22 | Grum | hmm i think we did 1+kitteh/2/6 |
| 22:20.45 | Gnarfoz | what did kitteh tank? one of the trio guys? |
| 22:20.50 | Grum | so we had ~6 +2/3 dps :) |
| 22:20.54 | Grum | yeah |
| 22:20.59 | Grum | storm+water |
| 22:21.12 | Grum | and the real tank took freya+lasher |
| 22:21.24 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how we'd handle the trio wrt the snaplasher |
| 22:21.39 | Gnarfoz | dps to 50%, switch off so the stack drops off and then burn him down later |
| 22:21.41 | Gnarfoz | or something |
| 22:21.43 | Grum | what we do is: 2 dps on water nonstop |
| 22:21.56 | Grum | 4 dps on Storm (push to 20%), then switch with 4 dps on lasher |
| 22:22.07 | Grum | and kill lasher and rip storm apart |
| 22:22.19 | Grum | by that time water has died from the 2 people that dps it |
| 22:22.31 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:22.40 | Gnarfoz | is that not terribly dangerous for the tank |
| 22:22.42 | Grum | the second you start on the lsaher you have to kill it |
| 22:22.48 | Grum | yes, we kite it in the end |
| 22:22.58 | Gnarfoz | including freya? ^^ |
| 22:23.05 | Grum | freya doesnt do shit :P |
| 22:23.16 | Gnarfoz | well, she does the major part of all damage going around |
| 22:23.24 | Grum | yes but not in melee |
| 22:23.32 | Grum | in roots/sunbeams/unstable beams |
| 22:23.46 | Grum | well you can switch it about a bit |
| 22:23.52 | Grum | freya+water and storm+lasher |
| 22:23.53 | Gnarfoz | still, the tank can't run, only backpedal :\ |
| 22:23.55 | Gnarfoz | hmm. |
| 22:24.00 | Grum | strafe? :) |
| 22:24.01 | batrick | Anyone got an opinion on Sceptre Monitors? |
| 22:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 22:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | They are awesome |
| 22:24.14 | ScytheBlade1 | pats his 21" lovingly |
| 22:24.18 | Gnarfoz | well, yes, but... :\ |
| 22:24.21 | Gnarfoz | guess we'll spend some time on her tomorrow again |
| 22:24.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Only complaint is the glowing logo on the front when it is off |
| 22:24.35 | batrick | I'm looking at this one: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11243103 |
| 22:24.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But it isn't a big deal |
| 22:24.49 | batrick | I've got a sceptre monitor now, I've had a lot of bad luck with them I think. |
| 22:24.51 | Grum | the most problem we had was with the 3 adds |
| 22:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The speakers are terrible |
| 22:25.06 | Grum | and that is purely because they have ~20% more collective hp than the other phases |
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| 22:25.21 | batrick | The backlight on my ~year old monitor refuses to stay on longer than 3 seconds. |
| 22:25.29 | batrick | It's a 22" sceptre. |
| 22:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | don't they have a 2 year warranty? |
| 22:25.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 1 year on costco |
| 22:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've had this sceptre for I think 3 years |
| 22:26.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It's been good to me, no complaints at all |
| 22:26.48 | batrick | Costco doesn't have a limit on when you can return computer monitors, yet. |
| 22:27.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly, if I had money to burn |
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| 22:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd consider buying that monitor right now |
| 22:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Two, actually, possibly three :P |
| 22:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never had a problem with them, and several others I know who have them also have no problems |
| 22:28.37 | batrick | I've had bad pixels on one monitor (probably a shipping problem). This is the first time a monitor from Sceptre has actually gone bad. |
| 22:28.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I'd check newegg reviews before buying |
| 22:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah no bad pixels here |
| 22:29.05 | batrick | I'm concerned though how cheap a Sceptre monitor is while still having better specs than competitor's monitors that are ~100$ more expensive. |
| 22:29.10 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 22:29.12 | jnwhiteh | a fucking draw |
| 22:29.14 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 22:30.32 | jnwhiteh | the boxes in the sewer are so wrong |
| 22:30.51 | mikma | jnwhiteh: draw? |
| 22:30.55 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 22:30.55 | mikma | how's that possible? |
| 22:30.57 | jnwhiteh | forced draw |
| 22:31.00 | jnwhiteh | arena ended |
| 22:31.00 | jnwhiteh | time |
| 22:31.03 | jnwhiteh | ther'es a time limit |
| 22:31.08 | jnwhiteh | apparently |
| 22:31.11 | mikma | 45minutes |
| 22:31.32 | jnwhiteh | then that's how long i was in there. |
| 22:31.41 | Dagmar | Whew |
| 22:31.55 | mikma | awesome.. never heard that has happened ^^ |
| 22:32.07 | Thunder_Child | 4 healers :p |
| 22:32.39 | cbreak | that was not an effective way to spend your time |
| 22:33.20 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: we didn't los rating |
| 22:33.20 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 22:33.25 | jnwhiteh | and now we know |
| 22:33.26 | jnwhiteh | this hunter sucks |
| 22:33.40 | jnwhiteh | he's survival |
| 22:33.44 | jnwhiteh | isn't that.. not right for pvp? |
| 22:35.08 | Dagmar | Probably wrong for PvE as well, but it's 50/50 |
| 22:35.20 | cbreak | surviving is good. |
| 22:36.42 | Dagmar | When the enemy can nerf your DPS by making you have to move around, it's an issue |
| 22:37.24 | Dagmar | SV suffers disproportionately in that respect, which makes it a weakness to be exploited |
| 22:37.44 | Gnarfoz | SV wrong for PvE? |
| 22:37.58 | Gnarfoz | you've got something wrong there, I guess ;o |
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| 22:38.31 | Gnarfoz | also, mikma, when would this have been lowered/implemented? |
| 22:38.32 | Dagmar | You should work on your Engilsh skills, since that's not what I said. |
| 22:38.59 | Gnarfoz | my Engilsh skills are fine |
| 22:39.18 | Dagmar | Apparently not. |
| 22:39.48 | mikma | gnarfoz: the 45min limit? somewhere near 3.1.0 |
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| 22:40.36 | Gnarfoz | maybe you have some, like, facts to back up that 50/50 claim |
| 22:40.44 | Gnarfoz | but I digress, your word *is* fact, heh |
| 22:40.47 | Dagmar | Maybe I'd have to like, care |
| 22:41.09 | Dagmar | If I can't tell you you're wrong without bakcing it up, then you can't tell me *I'm* wrong without backing it up. |
| 22:41.18 | Dagmar | The difference being, one of us isn't making unconditional statements. |
| 22:41.28 | Gnarfoz | Oh I can tell you you're wrong alright, w/ facts |
| 22:41.32 | Gnarfoz | but you don't care, remember? :p |
| 22:41.43 | Dagmar | Heigan == BM > SV |
| 22:41.50 | Gnarfoz | riiight. |
| 22:41.54 | Dagmar | There is NO "always best" spec for hunter, freaking period. |
| 22:42.04 | Gnarfoz | (and who's on heigan? you because you're afraid of doing Ulduar xD) |
| 22:42.12 | Dagmar | If you say "Shandaras" at me, I'll know you failed statistics class. |
| 22:42.21 | Gnarfoz | whatever Shandaras is |
| 22:42.23 | Dagmar | You wanted some facts, there's a fact. |
| 22:42.42 | Gnarfoz | or, why you assume I'm still in some kind of anything that has classes, or whatever |
| 22:42.49 | Dagmar | Some spreadsheet that has the highest gear available in it that the kiddies like to cite to "show" that BM has been "nerfed to the floor" |
| 22:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ... this has got to be the dumbest fucking argument i've ever seen. |
| 22:43.10 | Dagmar | Nevermind that at that level the gear is definitely outlier territory, and that less than 1% of the players will ever see it |
| 22:43.13 | Gnarfoz | it involves Dagmar, what do you expect? it has to rank pretty high up there :) |
| 22:43.21 | Dagmar | Oh look more ad hominem |
| 22:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | no, you're both being kinda idiots. |
| 22:43.38 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: oh wait, my English skills weren't "ad hominem"? :D |
| 22:43.39 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: yeah but at least one of isn't resorting to namecalling |
| 22:43.39 | Thunder_Child | really NightHawkTheSane? i thought we have had dumber ones |
| 22:44.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: maybe, but this really ranks up there. |
| 22:44.16 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 22:44.21 | Dagmar | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/probably |
| 22:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, at this point, they might as well go out back, drop their pants, and have a pissing contest. |
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| 22:44.41 | AbsolutRayne | I love how people ask me if I know how to tank Emalon, and im in bloody Ulduar gear. :/ |
| 22:44.43 | Dagmar | MM seems to have more useful toys for PvP than either of the other specs |
| 22:45.07 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: Doesn't mean you know, but it at least likely means you're geared well enough |
| 22:45.10 | jnwhiteh | yeah i have no idea why he's surv |
| 22:45.11 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: eh, that doesn't mean you've done the fight, though |
| 22:45.23 | End | surv was op pre-3.1 |
| 22:45.27 | Dagmar | jnwhiteh: Pray it's not Shandaras's spreadsheet |
| 22:45.31 | End | he probably didn't get the memo that things changed in 3.1 |
| 22:45.57 | Gnarfoz | End: right, that's why those surv hunters are wiping the floor with some of the other dps, right? :> |
| 22:46.00 | NightHawkTheSane | End: survival is still generally pretty good for pve, though |
| 22:46.12 | End | we're talking about pvp I thought? |
| 22:46.20 | aesir | Both. |
| 22:46.31 | End | oh, we -were- only talking about pvp before |
| 22:46.32 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh is. Dagmar and Gnarfoz are having a pissing contest, which seems to include everything |
| 22:46.35 | End | because jnwhiteh's hunter is terrible |
| 22:46.39 | aesir | But then it got sidetracked. |
| 22:46.42 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 22:46.43 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 22:46.43 | Gnarfoz | pisses all over the place |
| 22:46.44 | jnwhiteh | i sleep now |
| 22:47.05 | Gnarfoz | to quote Duke: "ahhh, much better." |
| 22:47.44 | End | I like to duck in and out of conversations :P |
| 22:47.52 | End | so I guess I don't keep close track of the topic |
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| 23:01.02 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Actually, no. Gnarfox was attempting to use derogatory attacks and questionable argumentation to prove an invalid point. |
| 23:01.10 | Dagmar | ...which is what was going on the _last_ time I had an argument in here. |
| 23:01.49 | Dagmar | Eventually he'll learn that being a dick to people who disagree with you is simply a great way to never learn anything |
| 23:03.38 | Gnarfoz | whoever Gnarfox is |
| 23:04.04 | Gnarfoz | (and the first one to resort to ad hominem was you, also, how is my point invalid just because it isn't your point? wtf, learn to discuss) |
| 23:04.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: maybe, and maybe someday you will too. *shrug* |
| 23:04.46 | Dagmar | I wasn't the one doing namecalling. |
| 23:04.52 | foxlit | behave, kids, or we'll feed you both to the grues. |
| 23:05.06 | Gnarfoz | it's not dark here, foxlit |
| 23:05.17 | foxlit | light-resistant grues? |
| 23:05.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i keep a grue-room out back |
| 23:05.36 | Dagmar | NOW I'm being rude because I've lost interest in whether he has my respect or not. Since he's in the ignore list, it no longer matters anyway. |
| 23:06.41 | Gnarfoz | I was supposed to be there anyway, at least you claimed to have put me there before. But people who feel the need to announce they're ignoring someone publicly do look funny. They do it in trade chat on my server all the time (not to me, specifically, in case you wanted to exploit that opening. ;p) |
| 23:07.26 | Gnarfoz | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html <-- is anyone else not able to see pictures 39 and following? |
| 23:07.41 | Gnarfoz | just blackness (probably grue-infested) for me :O |
| 23:08.31 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40110 seriously the best minipet ingame |
| 23:08.35 | Gnarfoz | ach, JavaScript to protect the innocent from "violent" pictures, nevermind. (at least they implemented it in a way that works if JS is off :)) |
| 23:08.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: do you have noscript or something similar running? |
| 23:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 23:08.43 | mikma | people are selling that amulet for 5k |
| 23:09.08 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: really? last i checked on my realm it barely sold for 200 |
| 23:09.24 | Dagmar | mikma: Because you can't get it anymore that I'm aware of, and ther'es people willing to cross their fingers and try listing it in the AH for that |
| 23:09.25 | Gnarfoz | why is anyone paying anything for it at all :O |
| 23:09.28 | Dagmar | As per usual |
| 23:09.50 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: Emerald Dream has 1.2k - 7k BO in ah ^^ |
| 23:10.13 | Lunessa | *sigh* "Hello, my home computer is infected, could you put AV software on my flash drive for me?" "Sure" *handles drive like a bioweapon* |
| 23:10.27 | Dagmar | Lunessa: YAY FOR LEENUX |
| 23:10.28 | NightHawkTheSane | crazy |
| 23:10.48 | mikma | now, they are 850g, 1000g and 1307g! |
| 23:10.57 | Gnarfoz | linux is immune to viruses now? good stuff :) |
| 23:11.00 | Dagmar | On Windows I have to assume that since I've followed some esoteric documentation that there's no autorun about to happen |
| 23:11.01 | Lunessa | And they're impatient while I scan the hell out of the thing. Heh |
| 23:11.11 | Dagmar | On Linux I've been able to see the code to be damn sure of it. |
| 23:11.12 | mikma | gnarfoz: nothing is immune to user stupidity, really |
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| 23:11.23 | Gnarfoz | mikma: quite so. |
| 23:11.43 | Lunessa | Oh look... the media has errors (but so far no infections). |
| 23:11.50 | Dagmar | mikma: Remember, the argument that "something is worth whatever someone pays for it" needs "if they're an idiot" appended to the end of it. |
| 23:12.14 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Seriously? Media errors on a thumb drive? |
| 23:12.24 | mikma | dagmar: exactly! last nail to the coffin |
| 23:12.26 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Which means it's been abused. |
| 23:12.27 | Gnarfoz | how is that surprising? |
| 23:12.35 | ScytheBlade1 | that's a new one. `yum groupremove "Mail Server"` and it decides to remove every single package on the system. |
| 23:13.11 | Dagmar | Luunessa: More importantly, it's time to grill the user about the symptoms of their infection, because it could easily be explained by hideously unclean power or a bad PSU |
| 23:13.29 | Dagmar | Most of the thumb drives I've seen go south just stopped working *entirely* |
| 23:13.37 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It's his personal, home computer. I don't get paid to fix that. |
| 23:13.42 | Dagmar | I've only seen two that had bad cells |
| 23:14.07 | Lunessa | And the University doesn't want that liability. |
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| 23:15.44 | Gnarfoz | bad psu = virus infection? |
| 23:15.53 | mikma | bad computer |
| 23:16.09 | Thunder_Child | heh. one of the people that plays D&D in my group is a highschool teacher. he has invited my D&D group to class to watch the extra credit since in involves d6's that are known for rolling like shit. |
| 23:16.21 | Thunder_Child | this will be ammusing |
| 23:16.27 | Gnarfoz | he said bad power / psu, how does that compare to a virus infection? :D |
| 23:17.05 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: :D |
| 23:18.14 | Thunder_Child | i'd take picture but that would just be weird. |
| 23:18.27 | Thunder_Child | s/re/res/ |
| 23:19.22 | Thunder_Child | 'r than usual |
| 23:19.36 | Thunder_Child | s/'e/ |
| 23:19.40 | Thunder_Child | well i fail today |
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| 23:20.41 | Lunessa | The end user is/was complaining that he's got some sort of infection on his machine. He wanted help cleaning it, and handed me media from a suspect source. Which turns out to have errors on the media. |
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| 23:21.08 | Dagmar | At least you can in theory format around it |
| 23:21.58 | Lunessa | Actually, it looks easily fixed. Nothing terrible. Probably keeps it next to his cell phone speaker and yanks it out of the machine instead of closing the files. |
| 23:22.36 | Dagmar | Unclean dismounts would just result in filesystem insanity, not media errors. |
| 23:22.38 | Addybot | adys |
| 23:23.14 | Dagmar | You'd have to be like a four-year-old figuring out how a light switch works for hte first time to get media errors from hot-unplugging USB devices |
| 23:23.24 | Dagmar | plug-unplug-plug-unplug-plug-unplug |
| 23:24.07 | Dagmar | Bad power (and brain-dead operating systems with unpowered hubs attached) makes writes to cells less than reliable tho |
| 23:24.11 | Thunder_Child | depends how windows is set up (assuming you use windows) |
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| 23:24.36 | Dagmar | Win98 never bothered to check the power status of a USB connected device, and for awhile initially XP didn't (and Linux didn't!) either |
| 23:24.56 | Dagmar | Some people complained after XP came out that their unpowered hubs no longer worked ant hat XP broke 'em |
| 23:25.13 | Dagmar | It was just keeping them from screwing up their media |
| 23:25.17 | Thunder_Child | windows has a setting that it buffers before writing |
| 23:25.32 | Thunder_Child | though the default is it writes imidiately |
| 23:25.36 | Dagmar | Yeah there's another thing you shouldn't have on for media you might yank out mid-write, but it still only causes filesystem errors, not media damage |
| 23:26.06 | Thunder_Child | hmmm, physical media dmg? |
| 23:26.42 | mikma | dagmar: if they're an idiot |
| 23:26.47 | Thunder_Child | if it's physical i am going to go with PEBKAC since usb is fairly idiot proof |
| 23:26.52 | Lunessa | meh, I'm not overly concerned. I fixed the file system errors, made a note that there's a problem with the device that will crop up again, made sure it was infected, and put the supplied AV software on there. I'm done. :) |
| 23:27.11 | mikma | purl: emulate dagmar is <reply> if they're an idiot |
| 23:27.11 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 23:27.15 | Lunessa | wasn't, not was |
| 23:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: heh, was about to say.. |
| 23:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | 'was' would have been far more amusing, though |
| 23:27.54 | Lunessa | I don't much like the guy, but I wouldn't deliberately jack with him like that. |
| 23:30.25 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24598.jpg <- i kinda like that layout |
| 23:30.47 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Yeah, someone has to work at it or have seriously unstable power generally to get media errors on flash drives |
| 23:31.33 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I dunno about that. I tend to call 'em like I see 'em. If the only logical reason for something that I can think up is that they're brain damaged, I'll say so. |
| 23:31.35 | Lunessa | Or abuse it in other ways. |
| 23:31.51 | Dagmar | Granted, I know some actual "retards" and I don't hold it against them. |
| 23:32.06 | Dagmar | I just don't ask them for help with analytic calculus. |
| 23:32.45 | Lunessa | I had a woman bring me a flash drive that "quit working" I noticed she took it off her key ring. The same key ring that had a magnetic toy made with rare earth magnets on it... |
| 23:32.54 | Dagmar | Sweet |
| 23:33.02 | Lunessa | And she taught physics. /facepalm |
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| 23:33.48 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 23:33.56 | Dagmar | Well, it's not that ferrous so it shouldn't destroy it right away, but I'm sure it can't have helped the thing trying to operate with a strong magnetic field squishing it's poor downtrodden electrons |
| 23:34.30 | Dagmar | We've a bet going here about what things this new degausser will and won't kill. |
| 23:34.35 | Dagmar | I can't wait to see the results. :) |
| 23:34.45 | Greywolf65 | man I need some help with my addon... I keep getting errors occasional "attempt to compare nil with number" and no matter how many failsafes I put in it still does it |
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| 23:34.58 | Greywolf65 | anyone willing to take a look? the function is only like 10 lines long |
| 23:35.04 | Lunessa | Well, I was unable to recover any data from the device with software, but I was able to reformat it for her. |
| 23:35.14 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 23:35.14 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 23:35.24 | Lunessa | grey use pastey. |
| 23:35.33 | Dagmar | Lunessa: The format didn't give any media errors? |
| 23:35.43 | Dagmar | Another tic on the chart in favor of a bad PSU on their home computer |
| 23:35.59 | Lunessa | No, the device itself was able to work. She defined "didn't work" as "I can't find my files." |
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| 23:36.15 | Greywolf65 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116113 |
| 23:36.17 | dardack | ok in my bindings.xml can i test if the player is a druid/shaman and then enable that binding? or do I have to do it inside the lua file? |
| 23:36.56 | Greywolf65 | This is what is generating "error attempt to compare nil with number"... but I put in "if percent == nil return" and it still doesn't work |
| 23:37.19 | Lunessa | Greywolf65: We're going to have to see where you set ShabbaSettings.drainsoul |
| 23:38.19 | Lunessa | Never mind... |
| 23:38.29 | Lunessa | local percent = floor( (health/maxhealth)*100 ); |
| 23:39.02 | Lunessa | Your problem is that value not getting set. |
| 23:39.36 | Greywolf65 | I see.. yeah that was my suspicion... that's why I put "if percent == nil return" |
| 23:39.37 | VonhintenHOME` | Hmm, anyone setup their itemrack to automatically put on your lance in the argent tournament area? |
| 23:39.49 | Greywolf65 | how would you suggest working it? |
| 23:40.33 | Dagmar | VonhintenHOME`: I use Outfitter for it |
| 23:40.51 | Dagmar | Seems less hazardous than stripping down to skivvies when swimming. |
| 23:42.04 | Greywolf65 | The error is sporadic... do you think maybe its a divide by zero error? |
| 23:42.21 | Lunessa | Greywolf65: How often are you running this function? Is it in an OnUpdate somewhere? |
| 23:42.31 | Greywolf65 | Yeah it's onupdate... runs every frame |
| 23:43.14 | Gnarfoz | VonhintenHOME`: no, but that shouldn't be terribly difficult to accomplish? ;) |
| 23:43.16 | Lunessa | Does this happen more like say... when you change targets to DoT them up? |
| 23:44.11 | Greywolf65 | Hmm I haven't been able to analyze it to that extent |
| 23:44.33 | Greywolf65 | right now it seems random... well random when it's being called. Maybe when a guy dies. |
| 23:44.56 | Greywolf65 | should I try maybe "if maxhealth == 0 return" |
| 23:45.31 | Greywolf65 | I just played 20 arena games without a single error, but now I'm getting errors almost every BG. |
| 23:45.37 | VonhintenHOME` | Gnar, well, my problem is that its for my druid, and I have events setup for cat and bear and caster forms... they conflict |
| 23:45.56 | VonhintenHOME` | I put my lance on, get on a horse, it puts my staff back on, and kicks me off the horse :) |
| 23:46.20 | VonhintenHOME` | I have to turn events off completely to stop it, pain in the ass |
| 23:47.01 | Gnarfoz | you are in caster form, get on a horse -> why does it do anything at that point? |
| 23:47.36 | VonhintenHOME` | the new itemrack likes to trigger events often |
| 23:48.21 | VonhintenHOME` | it realizes that my current gear isn't my caster gear when I get on the horse, and triggers the event again |
| 23:48.24 | Gnarfoz | I've actually not used them, heh |
| 23:49.37 | VonhintenHOME` | oh well, guess I'll keep disabling events in the tournament zone |
| 23:49.40 | Lunessa | Greywolf65: Yes, I'd do something like that. Make sure that you don't do the comparison if the value is going to be nil. |
| 23:50.09 | Greywolf65 | I have a line in there already that say "if (percent == nil) then return" |
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| 23:52.58 | Lunessa | You can do something like "if percent ~= nil then" and and do your comparison... but that's pretty weak and someone well surely have a better answer. |
| 23:53.29 | Greywolf65 | I'm testing the divide by zero thing |
| 23:53.41 | Greywolf65 | if anything will cause errors, it will be alterac valley :) |
| 23:53.58 | Lunessa | Get a friend and duel? |
| 23:55.56 | Dagmar | I should hope dividing by zero would result in a more serious sort of "full stop" error message |
| 23:56.17 | Mikk | lua> print(1/0) |
| 23:56.17 | lua_bot | Mikk: inf |
| 23:56.19 | Mikk | not really |
| 23:57.03 | Mikk | lua> print(math.sqrt(-1)) |
| 23:57.03 | lua_bot | Mikk: nan |
| 23:57.07 | Mikk | lua> print(math.sqrt(-1)*5) |
| 23:57.07 | lua_bot | Mikk: nan |
| 23:58.37 | mikma | mikk: hi nick with 3 same letters |
