| 00:01.11 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> Does anyone have any idea where the code is that un-watches a quest when you shift-click on it in the watch frame? |
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| 00:21.46 | Thunder_Child | well thats odd...both BC and to a greated extent Wrath brought the horde and alliance into a greater accord....and yet this "Isle of Conquest" make as U-turn |
| 00:22.00 | Thunder_Child | greater* |
| 00:23.06 | BlackNet | BC? |
| 00:23.17 | Thunder_Child | burning crusde |
| 00:23.20 | BlackNet | ah |
| 00:23.21 | Thunder_Child | crusade* |
| 00:23.43 | BlackNet | isle of conquest is the next expansion pack i take it? |
| 00:23.50 | Thunder_Child | nope, next BG |
| 00:24.00 | Thunder_Child | "Call of the Crusade" is the next patch |
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| 00:26.06 | BlackNet | seen several unfinished areas that i was told are future battle grounds |
| 00:26.56 | BlackNet | wonder if they will ever do an underwater zone |
| 00:27.00 | BlackNet | like 100% underwater |
| 00:27.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: eh.. several people in blizz who's names i've forgotten have said in the past that they wanted to reinforce the horde/alliance conflict in wrath |
| 00:27.19 | Lopeppeppy | That will be when we meet more naga |
| 00:28.02 | NightHawkTheSane | The wrath gate quest line more or less culminates with outright hostility and bad feelings |
| 00:28.05 | BlackNet | and merloks |
| 00:28.32 | BlackNet | or is there a c in there somewhere |
| 00:28.34 | BlackNet | oh well |
| 00:28.37 | Lopeppeppy | If I had a murloc... pet! |
| 00:28.50 | BlackNet | yea merloc, my bad |
| 00:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | no, murloc |
| 00:29.06 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i can only say what i see...and i see way to much working togetherness |
| 00:29.12 | BlackNet | murloc |
| 00:29.13 | BlackNet | ok |
| 00:29.37 | BlackNet | would be cool to have sharks and stuff in there as well. |
| 00:30.37 | BlackNet | any way currently for ppl to stay underwater for lengthy periods of time? |
| 00:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | There are sharks in Azshara already. |
| 00:31.04 | BlackNet | yea there's also a raid shark boss called maws |
| 00:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | water breathing |
| 00:32.42 | BlackNet | that a potion? |
| 00:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | and a spell |
| 00:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | and a quest item or three |
| 00:33.12 | End | speaking of maws, wtb elementium ore :( |
| 00:34.53 | BlackNet | how long do those 2 things last? |
| 00:35.20 | BlackNet | oh i see, 10 mins |
| 00:35.25 | NightHawkTheSane | wowhead.com |
| 00:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | use it, please. |
| 00:36.11 | BlackNet | would be uber expensive that's for sure |
| 00:39.27 | Thunder_Child | like the parachute they would come out with something you could use. they already have a diving helmet in game |
| 00:40.06 | BlackNet | yea forgot about that. it's for engineers only |
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| 00:44.53 | DWSR | hey, anyone know if Voidwalker Sacrifice is dispellable from the warlock? |
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| 00:47.43 | Cidan | DWSR: last time I checked, no, but, I could be wrong. |
| 00:47.49 | End | it looks like it |
| 00:47.55 | Cidan | Well there you go |
| 00:47.56 | DWSR | yeah, some empirical testing confirms that it's not |
| 00:48.02 | End | it's magic |
| 00:48.07 | End | I didn't look closer than that |
| 00:48.34 | Cidan | Yeah, but just like the Paladin bubble can't be, I don't think it can be either. Sans the AoE dispel |
| 00:48.48 | DWSR | yeah, Mass Dispel's fucking bomb. |
| 00:48.49 | End | sacrifice doesn't grant immunity though |
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| 00:48.58 | End | it's just an absorb shield |
| 00:49.09 | Cidan | one way to try, I guess |
| 00:49.15 | Cidan | Grab a warlock, try it out |
| 00:49.24 | Cidan | Man, I may actually reactivate and level my Warlock with 3.2 |
| 00:49.28 | End | I'd have to grab a priest, mage, shaman whatever |
| 00:49.32 | Cidan | now that I don't have to ride around at 60% |
| 00:50.34 | DWSR | can you shapeshift out of banish as a drood? |
| 00:50.45 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:50.49 | Cidan | huh |
| 00:51.03 | End | it doesn't break banish though :P |
| 00:51.21 | End | it'll prevent being rebanished |
| 00:55.43 | End | ok |
| 00:55.45 | End | I can confirm |
| 00:55.48 | End | you can dispel it |
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| 01:04.03 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/ttykinozdmm/Warcraft 1 2 3 Working online keygen.zip |
| 01:04.03 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/wt5jz1mzzlz/World Of warcraft Prepaid Card Generator.rar |
| 01:04.04 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/ttykinozdmm/Warcraft 1 2 3 Working online keygen.zip |
| 01:04.04 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/wt5jz1mzzlz/World Of warcraft Prepaid Card Generator.rar |
| 01:04.05 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/ttykinozdmm/Warcraft 1 2 3 Working online keygen.zip |
| 01:04.05 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/wt5jz1mzzlz/World Of warcraft Prepaid Card Generator.rar |
| 01:04.06 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/ttykinozdmm/Warcraft 1 2 3 Working online keygen.zip |
| 01:04.08 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/wt5jz1mzzlz/World Of warcraft Prepaid Card Generator.rar |
| 01:04.09 | Cidan | ... |
| 01:04.10 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/ttykinozdmm/Warcraft 1 2 3 Working online keygen.zip |
| 01:04.11 | Cidan | What |
| 01:04.12 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/wt5jz1mzzlz/World Of warcraft Prepaid Card Generator.rar |
| 01:04.12 | Cidan | The hell |
| 01:04.15 | Cidan | are you doing? |
| 01:04.18 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:04.19 | End | wtb Shiibot |
| 01:04.25 | tekkub | WTB +r PST! |
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| 01:04.33 | BabakMakak | http://www.mediafire.com/file/ttykinozdmm/Warcraft 1 2 3 Working online keygen.zip |
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| 01:04.46 | Cide | best part |
| 01:04.48 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: ckknight jnwhiteh ping |
| 01:04.48 | tekkub | *sigh* |
| 01:04.51 | End | well, at least I have /ignore |
| 01:04.53 | Cide | all the files had spaces in them |
| 01:04.59 | Cide | so you can't accidently dl it |
| 01:05.00 | BlackNet | spam. |
| 01:05.03 | BlackNet | gotta hate it |
| 01:05.06 | Adys | Cide: haha |
| 01:05.23 | mikma | ooooooh sweet! |
| 01:05.34 | mikma | free stuff fro internet anonymous |
| 01:05.42 | mikma | heads and downloads |
| 01:09.23 | tekkub | muahahahahahaaaaaa |
| 01:09.28 | tekkub | my evil works |
| 01:09.35 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-06-12-n57.html |
| 01:10.27 | mikma | tekkub: so, what does it do? |
| 01:10.43 | tekkub | is sends a version string to other GC4.5 users |
| 01:10.56 | tekkub | and they get a litlle "A new verions is available" notice in their GC window |
| 01:11.59 | mikma | hehee |
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| 01:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ~[6~[6~[6~~pin~pingg |
| 01:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | g |
| 01:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf, sorry |
| 01:41.20 | Lopeppeppy | do tell. :P |
| 01:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | My session locked up :( |
| 01:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ that spam |
| 01:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | gg dude. ;) |
| 01:50.17 | NightHawkTheSane | or should i say, ggg? |
| 01:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I tried to ~ping |
| 01:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | As you can see |
| 01:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It seems the trailing g just kinda... duplicated itself |
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| 02:13.47 | ckknight | Adys: pong |
| 02:13.56 | Adys | ckknight: was spam |
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| 02:35.50 | ckknight | k |
| 02:39.06 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. http://www.jokesaboutanimals.com/pets-in-the-apartment.html |
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| 02:55.58 | Adys | remind me: its NOT possible to modify the login screen with an addon, right? |
| 02:56.17 | widgertick | Correct. |
| 02:56.22 | Adys | ok |
| 02:56.30 | Lopeppeppy | Very trueness. |
| 02:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | Dem sheeple asking for the impossible again? |
| 02:58.22 | Adys | nah was thinking of nuking the shit out of that big dragon. |
| 02:58.29 | widgertick | So say we all! |
| 02:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | For serious... but the only answer is "log in faster, grasshopper" |
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| 03:00.08 | kd3 | grr |
| 03:00.32 | kd3 | mourns for cairenn's chances for a back-to-back stanley cup |
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| 03:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | Uh oh... better hide until it's over then, homicidal canadian women are dangerous. |
| 03:02.59 | kd3 | I'm on the other side of the lower 48... I'll take my chances |
| 03:03.00 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:03.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: I'd be happy with the ability to sort your character list >< |
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| 03:04.54 | Adys | stop typoing! |
| 03:04.56 | Cairenn|afk | cries at no cup :( |
| 03:04.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: ... women are dangerous in general. i'm not really sure a homicidal canadian would be worse. |
| 03:05.29 | Dewin | hmm... so I'm dabbling with the idea of a buff manager, kind of like PallyPower but wider in scope. |
| 03:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, you may life a while longer. :) |
| 03:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | only a little while ;) |
| 03:06.05 | Dewin | And I want to figure out how to correctly identify talents on, say, a french client... any ideas? |
| 03:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: to what end? |
| 03:06.28 | ZorbaTHut | hey ckknight, around? |
| 03:06.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: check by position? |
| 03:06.32 | Dewin | Night: I don't like Pallypower, and it doesn't handle a lot of cases like figuring out which shamans should drop what and the class-overlapping buffs. |
| 03:07.07 | Dewin | I'd /like/ to have an easier way (scanning by name is acceptable), but I don't think there's locale-independant ways of accessing that |
| 03:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Hmm. I could see a case for shaman, if you've only got a few with poor communication. |
| 03:07.12 | widgertick | Dewin: Have you tried using GetSpellInfo and the talent name? |
| 03:07.44 | widgertick | Err |
| 03:07.45 | widgertick | Hmm |
| 03:07.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: er, well, you can access/check talents purely by position numerically, can't you? |
| 03:07.46 | widgertick | Sec |
| 03:07.49 | widgertick | Lemme think about this |
| 03:07.58 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 03:08.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i could be wrong, i haven't done talent checking in a long time |
| 03:08.05 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: I'd have to hardcode the talent locations though |
| 03:08.06 | kd3 | the digital transition finally happened |
| 03:08.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers, kd3. Today |
| 03:08.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yes, but it would be locale independent |
| 03:08.23 | Dewin | I want to be able to say "Tell me how many ranks of talent X does this character have" |
| 03:08.44 | NightHawkTheSane | and you could 'hard' code it in a way that was reasonably dynamic and easily updatable. |
| 03:09.05 | Dewin | True. |
| 03:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | just tossing out ideas, though |
| 03:09.29 | Dewin | Another reason for the addon is to play nicely with people who don't have it, unlike Pallypower which doesn't let you assign pally buffs to non-pallypower-using players. |
| 03:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, PallyPower does gather what ranks of buffs each one has though, which helps TONS in deciding who does what. |
| 03:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | And how could PP assign anything to someone who doesn't have it? That doesn't compute. |
| 03:10.53 | Dewin | Lopeppeppy: Educated guesses + inspections, and /whisper to tell them? :) |
| 03:11.03 | Dewin | At least being able to see it all in one place will avoid the confusions. |
| 03:11.44 | Dewin | That's one of the things I'm adding, a fairly large table of spells and information on when they're learned/etc, so I can make usually-correct assumptions for people who don't have the addon |
| 03:12.03 | Dewin | I just now started thinking about the localization issues though |
| 03:12.08 | Dewin | also, GetSpellInfo doesn't seem to work on talents. |
| 03:12.31 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, will it be able to show a little chart of what buffs people are missing, including things like flasks/well-fed? |
| 03:12.31 | Dewin | GetTalentInfo doesn't seem to provide a localized version -- though someone with a non-EN client could confirm that for me really easy. |
| 03:12.43 | Dewin | Zorba: Beyond scope for the moment. |
| 03:12.52 | ZorbaTHut | fair enough |
| 03:13.03 | ZorbaTHut | consider it for a future version, that's one of the things my guild is running into trouble with right now ;) |
| 03:13.10 | Dewin | I plan on it |
| 03:13.16 | Dewin | but I want to get something that works first. |
| 03:13.20 | ZorbaTHut | excellent, lemme know if you need a tester :) |
| 03:13.34 | Dewin | One of the things about it too |
| 03:13.53 | Dewin | is it will know that there's no point in running blessing of wisdom if you assign a resto shaman (presumably with restorative totems) to drop mana stream |
| 03:13.54 | Dewin | etc. |
| 03:14.29 | Dewin | same with the resist totems + paladin/hunter auras |
| 03:14.40 | Dewin | (and shadow aura vs prayer of shadow prot) |
| 03:14.59 | ZorbaTHut | nice |
| 03:15.04 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, the mana totem no longer overwrites the pally buff, just so you know. |
| 03:15.26 | Dewin | It doesn't overwrite, but there's still no point in assigning both unless you have more paladins than you need for the other buffs |
| 03:15.37 | Lopeppeppy | Is the totem raid wide? |
| 03:15.59 | Dewin | mana stream yes |
| 03:15.59 | Dewin | healing stream no |
| 03:16.41 | Dewin | Well, raid wide provided they're close enough -- but if the raid leader is concerned with this they can just not assign it to the shaman and assign blessing of wisdom |
| 03:16.43 | Lopeppeppy | for a "spread out" fight, the blessing would likely be more effective. |
| 03:16.58 | Dewin | That's at the discretion the raid leader (or whoever sets the assignments) |
| 03:17.02 | Dewin | just like, say, pallypower is now |
| 03:17.22 | Dewin | also, a shaman with restorative totems WILL wipe nontalented blessing of wisdom |
| 03:17.23 | Dewin | that still breaks. |
| 03:17.39 | Dewin | blessing of wisdom only sticks if there's a tie in mp5 |
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| 03:18.13 | Dewin | (imho buffs should never overwrite each other at all, just ignore stacking effects) |
| 03:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | They changed the blessing and upped it specifically so that the totems didn't overwrite it anymore. |
| 03:18.43 | Dewin | Lo: the Restorative Totems talent makes mana stream totem stronger than the comparable ranks of Blessing of Wisdom. |
| 03:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | I thought that was for non-talented BoW, but maybe I'm remembering wrong. Lunessa hasn't challenged me recently. |
| 03:18.56 | Dewin | If a shaman *doesn't* have that talent, it won't overwrite blessing of wisdom |
| 03:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | Even after the recent buff to Widsom, Dewin? |
| 03:19.05 | Dewin | If they *do* have the talent, it will overwrite unless the paladin has imp blessing of wisdom |
| 03:19.27 | Dewin | Strongest MP5 wins, blessing of wisdom wins ties is basically how it works. |
| 03:19.34 | Dewin | as of a week or two ago yes |
| 03:19.39 | Dewin | (My wife raids as resto shaman) |
| 03:19.51 | Lopeppeppy | That just sucks. Why improve it at all, if not to plain old fix the overwrite issue? |
| 03:20.07 | Dewin | it fixes most of the overwrites |
| 03:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | Some days.... I just wish I'd leveled my warlock instead of my paladin. |
| 03:20.15 | Dewin | just not if the shaman's talented and the paladin's not. |
| 03:20.25 | Dewin | resto shaman and non-holy paladin, basically. |
| 03:20.46 | Lopeppeppy | Or a holy who didn't take the imp wis, which I currently don't have. |
| 03:21.04 | NightHawkTheSane | if you have a resto shaman and a non-holy pally, mana spring SHOULD win |
| 03:21.05 | Dewin | pretty much all resto take it because it's required for mana tide |
| 03:21.09 | NightHawkTheSane | because it's better |
| 03:21.21 | Dewin | Night: It should and does win. But I agree with Lo that it shouldn't REMOVE the blessing of wisdom buff |
| 03:21.25 | Dewin | and it currently does. |
| 03:21.45 | Lopeppeppy | "Here's a handful of wasted mana and wasted reagents, paladins! Have brunch on me." |
| 03:21.47 | Dewin | you should just get the stronger of the two and have the weaker buff be ignored instead of removed. |
| 03:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed, it shouldn't, but it's not really a big deal in that case |
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| 03:22.07 | Dewin | It is if the shaman drops it in a mobility fight for the 'usually' better mana but you want to keep the slightly less mp5 up when they're out of range. |
| 03:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | If it didn't overwrite, they could move away from the totem and still have a buff, which I guess is the reason it overwrites. |
| 03:23.09 | Dewin | Anyways, this still doesn't leave me with a clean locale-neutral way to identify spells and talents |
| 03:23.28 | Dewin | UnitClass() is so nice in providing the english version of everything regardless of locale, wish other stuff did |
| 03:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | I have to go find my cat and figure out why she's not herding me into bed... and then it's bedtime. TTFN, everyone. |
| 03:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wave Lopeppeppy |
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| 03:25.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: honestly, I haven't found many fights that are "so" mobile or spread out that mana spring was significantly subpar |
| 03:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 03:25.36 | Dewin | NHTS: Yeah, but that was a huge tangent anyways |
| 03:25.45 | Dewin | Does anyone here play on a non-english client? |
| 03:25.45 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 03:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i dont know why i quoted so. i probably should have emphasized it with asterisks or something |
| 03:26.41 | Dewin | oh, hmm |
| 03:26.44 | Dewin | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/libbabble-talenttree-3-0.aspx |
| 03:26.48 | Dewin | that might help :) |
| 03:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, maybe |
| 03:27.54 | Dewin | of course, being a newbie addon developer I have no idea how to use it and I've never been able to find comprehensive documentation of any of the ace libraries. |
| 03:28.13 | NightHawkTheSane | look up some other addon that uses a babble library |
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| 03:32.48 | Dewin | well. That does no good |
| 03:32.59 | Dewin | LibBabble-TalentTrees is just the names of the trees themselves, not the individual talents. |
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| 03:33.59 | Dewin | so I guess I might just have to hardcode them |
| 03:34.20 | NightHawkTheSane | making a lookup table wouldn't too painful |
| 03:34.49 | mikma | spotify:track:6l0LbTF2V77M3LPpcOBmqX |
| 03:36.15 | Dewin | for talents no it wouldn't. For spells, a little blah but yeah. |
| 03:36.34 | Dewin | since GetSpellInfo("name") only works if you know the spell, have to use spell IDs otherwise |
| 03:39.35 | kd3|hate`net | grr |
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| 03:49.13 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=wulff&i=1267 |
| 03:49.26 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=wulff&i=1268 |
| 03:51.35 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=wulff&i=1258 |
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| 05:08.39 | Cairenn | http://www.facebook.com/username/ |
| 05:09.02 | Cairenn | if you have a facebook page and want to set a "username" for it (ie your MMORPG name) |
| 05:09.19 | Cairenn | snag it quick though, cause once it's taken, it's taken |
| 05:13.18 | MentalPower | already did |
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| 05:13.25 | MentalPower | :) |
| 05:14.48 | Cairenn | I managed to get Cairenn |
| 05:15.00 | Cairenn | Dolby was already taken, though, so he couldn't get it :( |
| 05:15.24 | mikma | cairenn: Cairennix! |
| 05:15.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:16.48 | kd3 | grr |
| 05:16.50 | kd3 | tries to log in |
| 05:16.55 | kd3 | pokes face book some more |
| 05:18.01 | kd3 | whee... facebook.com/jtwyford |
| 05:18.11 | kd3 | now if I could stand to update my profile more than once-yearly |
| 05:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 05:20.16 | Torhal | Cairenn: Can I haz a cry? |
| 05:20.29 | Cairenn | why cry? :( |
| 05:20.29 | Torhal | At this time only users who have registered for Facebook before June 9th, 2009 are eligible to obtain a username. All other users will be allowed to register a username in the near future. We apologize for any inconvenience. |
| 05:20.38 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:21.32 | Adys | Usernames must be at least 5 characters long |
| 05:21.33 | Adys | NO FUCK YOU |
| 05:21.40 | Adys | THATS SO FUCKING UNNECESSARY |
| 05:21.55 | Adys | night all |
| 05:21.59 | Cairenn | night Adys |
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| 05:28.13 | kd3 | oddly relevant flickr image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ritubpant/3620793192/ |
| 05:28.21 | kd3 | sfw |
| 05:30.52 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 05:31.18 | kd3 | I intend to link it the next time another WM qq thread comes up |
| 05:31.20 | kd3 | >.> |
| 05:31.26 | Cairenn | works for me! |
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| 05:37.34 | Nechckn | kd3 That is amazingly funny |
| 05:37.52 | kd3 | it is... like all things on digg... a dupe of an older digg |
| 05:37.57 | kd3 | http://digg.com/tech_news/If_you_do_not_upload_the_images_again_I_might_have_to_contact_my_lawyer?t=4856841 |
| 05:42.24 | Cide | whoo, ctmud now with a world map and a working "demo". |
| 05:42.44 | Cairenn | cool |
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| 05:47.10 | squidbear | why does UnitName(unit.."targettarget") give me a concatenation error? |
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| 05:47.18 | Cide | because unit is not a string? |
| 05:47.41 | squidbear | but when I print out unit.."targettarget" it reads "mouseovertargettarget" |
| 05:47.48 | squidbear | :S |
| 05:48.07 | Cide | then you're doing it wrong or you're printing it out at the wrong time |
| 05:48.17 | Cide | or your code above is not what you have in game |
| 05:48.49 | Torhal | squidbear: UnitName() only accepts valid units as its argument, such as "player", "target", etc. |
| 05:48.56 | Cide | read the error |
| 05:49.11 | Torhal | In your case, unit is "mouseover" |
| 05:49.17 | Cide | read the error |
| 05:49.22 | Cide | concatenation error |
| 05:50.00 | squidbear | So GameTooltip:GetUnit() does not output a string? |
| 05:50.09 | Cide | you tell me? |
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| 05:50.32 | MentalPower | I would do a print(tostring(unit)) right before the UnitName() call |
| 05:50.36 | MentalPower | to be sure |
| 05:51.15 | Torhal | !api GameTooltip:GetUnit |
| 05:51.16 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:GetUnit: Returns the unit the tooltip is currently displaying information for (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/GetUnit) |
| 05:51.29 | squidbear | print(tostring(unit)) is outputting "mouseover" |
| 05:51.41 | Cide | then you're not pasting the relevant code |
| 05:51.57 | squidbear | Hmm... |
| 05:51.59 | squidbear | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115929 |
| 05:52.01 | squidbear | It's not very long |
| 05:52.06 | squidbear | If you don't mind taking a look. |
| 05:52.21 | Cide | it's the next line |
| 05:52.23 | Cide | target is nil |
| 05:52.33 | Cide | since UnitName() returns nil for units that don't exist |
| 05:52.48 | Cide | so you're doing "Target: "..nil |
| 05:52.56 | Cide | lua> "abc"..nil |
| 05:52.56 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 05:52.59 | squidbear | Got it. |
| 05:52.59 | Cide | whoops. |
| 05:53.12 | squidbear | I failed at writing an if statement. |
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| 05:54.23 | MentalPower | eek, select(2)... |
| 05:54.55 | squidbear | ? |
| 05:55.27 | Torhal | Select abuse FTL |
| 05:55.50 | Torhal | local class = UnitClass(unit) |
| 05:55.53 | Torhal | No need for select. |
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| 05:56.08 | squidbear | But I need the 2nd value it returns |
| 05:56.16 | Torhal | Then local _, class = UnitClass(unit) |
| 05:56.18 | squidbear | (To get the right color from the RAID_CLASS_COLOS table |
| 05:56.38 | squidbear | but isn't that less efficient? (albeit barely noticeable) |
| 05:56.51 | Torhal | select() is incurring a fuckton of overhead for absolutely no reason when you can use a throwaway local |
| 05:57.02 | Torhal | You have your efficiencies backward |
| 05:57.18 | squidbear | lol, I was told the exact opposite a few days ago |
| 05:57.30 | squidbear | ok |
| 05:57.31 | Torhal | select() incurs the overhead of a function call, plus whatever it's doing internally. Instead, you could directly assign the return values of UnitClass() to local variables |
| 05:57.49 | Xuerian | Look at it this way. It's shorter to type _, |
| 05:57.56 | squidbear | ><; |
| 05:58.00 | Xuerian | between the two, you're not going to incur a huge performance hit |
| 05:58.08 | Xuerian | negligible, is the proper word |
| 05:58.23 | Xuerian | Focus on the larger problems first ;) |
| 05:58.29 | Torhal | Doing it in a loop will add up, though :) |
| 05:58.35 | Xuerian | Of course. |
| 05:58.41 | Xuerian | Doing anything in a loop will add up. |
| 05:58.46 | Xuerian | that's the point of a loop. |
| 05:58.54 | Torhal | :P |
| 05:59.03 | squidbear | lol |
| 05:59.31 | Xuerian | If you're REALLY worried about performance, look up one of the profiler addons and analyze your addon |
| 05:59.59 | Xuerian | Otherwise bottlenecks that need more attention than bugfixing should be blatantly obvious. |
| 06:01.14 | Xuerian | ~seen mikk |
| 06:01.16 | purl | mikk is currently on #wowuidev (1d 23h 42m 36s) #wowace (1d 23h 42m 36s). Has said a total of 193 messages. Is idling for 9h 17m 27s, last said: 'I LOGGED ON! WITH A NON-BATTLENET ACCOUNT!'. |
| 06:01.27 | Xuerian | o rite. |
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| 06:05.24 | squidbear | For refreshing a tooltip when different things occur (e.g., target changes, health changes) what's the best way to update the tooltip? Just check for a bunch of events and have that trigger a refresh? |
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| 06:07.55 | Xuerian | Register for the events you want to trigger it, handle the events and trigger your refresh function when the conditions are what you're looking for. Did you have a alternative in mind, or am I missing some other obvious way? |
| 06:07.55 | Xuerian | For performance reasons, you'd probably just want to have all the handlers exit immediately if the tip isn't visible, but otherwise.. |
| 06:09.00 | squidbear | How would you make the handlers exit right away? |
| 06:09.30 | Xuerian | Check a variable local to your script that is set to true when the tip is visible, and false when it isn't. |
| 06:10.15 | squidbear | ok |
| 06:10.44 | Xuerian | Then just return nil in the handlers if that's true, right off. |
| 06:10.48 | Xuerian | er. |
| 06:10.49 | Xuerian | false. |
| 06:11.14 | squidbear | mmkay. thanks |
| 06:18.06 | Xuerian | Blergh, what's the current toc |
| 06:18.19 | Xuerian | #.. interface... revision...whatsit |
| 06:18.36 | Xuerian | grumbles and yells at the kids to get off his lawn. |
| 06:20.17 | Antiarc | "Let me try elaborating a bit. I'm looking for some kind of tutorial on basic lua coding, such as what a string of code would look like to create a single unit frame. I'm not sure how else to say it. " |
| 06:20.19 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 06:20.44 | Xuerian | .... |
| 06:20.51 | Xuerian | Antiarc: What's the current Toc#. |
| 06:20.57 | Antiarc | 30100 |
| 06:20.58 | Xuerian | pokes Antiarc with a stick. |
| 06:21.05 | Xuerian | Ty D: |
| 06:21.10 | Xuerian | Also, lol. Where's that from? |
| 06:21.41 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17779588916&sid=1 |
| 06:22.32 | Xuerian | It's even better with the oUF .. wtf... Alright, I'm slowly loosing my vocabulary.. or memory.. or both... |
| 06:23.35 | Xuerian | Feck it, it's even better knowing he's trying to modify a oUF layout |
| 06:24.43 | Xuerian | starts gutting XLootMaster. |
| 06:24.58 | Gnarfoz | btw |
| 06:25.08 | Gnarfoz | current toc# is always in /topic here |
| 06:25.08 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 06:25.11 | Xuerian | ... |
| 06:25.22 | Xuerian | I can't be ... assed.. to look 1cm under where I type. shh |
| 06:25.39 | Xuerian | XD |
| 06:25.50 | Xuerian | Stop making fun of me, it's been a long time :( |
| 06:28.11 | squidbear | hrm..anyone know how to refresh a tooltip? I was trying GameTooltip:Show() but it doesn't seem to be working (though GameTooltip:Hide() does indeed hide the tooltip, and doing Hide() then Show() does not work either) |
| 06:28.53 | Xuerian | ~seen ammo |
| 06:28.54 | purl | Xuerian: i haven't seen 'ammo' |
| 06:29.06 | Xuerian | ... what name does he go by anymore... |
| 06:29.16 | Xuerian | ~seen `ammo |
| 06:29.17 | purl | i haven't seen '`ammo', Xuerian |
| 06:29.25 | Xuerian | ~seen Xuerian's Memory |
| 06:29.26 | purl | Xuerian: i haven't seen 'xuerian's memory' |
| 06:29.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:29.31 | Xuerian | I haven't either, Purl :( |
| 06:29.32 | squidbear | lol |
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| 06:30.08 | Gnarfoz | squidbear: "Hide clears the contents of the tooltip and removes its owner. After a Hide, SetOwner must be called again. " |
| 06:30.12 | Gnarfoz | squidbear: from http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 06:30.12 | Xuerian | O RITE *goes off to #wowace* |
| 06:30.29 | Gnarfoz | Xuerian: [Ammo] |
| 06:30.41 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: See #wowace <.< |
| 06:30.48 | squidbear | Gnarfoz, would doing that be the best way to 'refresh' the tooltip? |
| 06:30.51 | mikma | ewwace |
| 06:30.56 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea. |
| 06:31.05 | Xuerian | mikma: I know, but I'm still lazy... |
| 06:31.11 | Gnarfoz | mikma: try #wowhead, it's a cesspool. :P |
| 06:32.46 | mikma | oh wow |
| 06:33.01 | mikma | cang even imagine the amount of poop in that channel |
| 06:33.14 | mikma | cant* |
| 06:34.31 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: Wow, I had to scramble for the leave channel button |
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| 06:56.03 | Guest34669 | huggles widgertick and Cairenn and Iriel and random other people |
| 06:56.19 | Cairenn | huggles shirik |
| 06:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | SHIRIK |
| 06:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | HOW DO I MAKE A SERVLET |
| 06:58.08 | Guest34669 | you don't |
| 06:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 06:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got _that_ much down |
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| 06:58.43 | Fisker | punches Shirik |
| 07:00.23 | batrick | Only shirik would log on IRC from a mail server. |
| 07:00.37 | Shirik | I don't really know why it says that address |
| 07:00.45 | batrick | hehe |
| 07:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | >_> |
| 07:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | <_< |
| 07:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Glad you can't see my reverse DNS |
| 07:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it definitely isn't smtp.mail.averageurl.com |
| 07:01.13 | Shirik | smtp.mail |
| 07:01.23 | Shirik | as opposed to smtp.svn |
| 07:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | as opposed to imap.mail |
| 07:01.32 | Shirik | or smtp.www |
| 07:01.43 | Shirik | why not "smtp" or "imap" |
| 07:01.58 | ScytheBlade1 | because! |
| 07:02.14 | Fisker | Shirik lives in a trashcan |
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| 07:07.42 | Shirik | a/j |
| 07:08.12 | Shirik | is that a better address, batrick? |
| 07:11.40 | Shirik | BATRICK |
| 07:11.42 | Shirik | why do you hate me :( |
| 07:13.30 | batrick | uh |
| 07:13.32 | batrick | sure |
| 07:13.41 | batrick | I don't hate you, I just don't look at IRC often :P |
| 07:13.48 | Shirik | same difference |
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| 07:14.47 | airtonix | druid healer : 23 spellpower or 12.4mp5 while casting ? |
| 07:15.10 | Gnarfoz | are you running out of mana |
| 07:15.23 | Gnarfoz | or do you have trouble keeping your targets alive |
| 07:15.30 | airtonix | not from my shallow observations |
| 07:15.51 | airtonix | innervate and saphirre owl |
| 07:15.54 | airtonix | profit |
| 07:16.15 | airtonix | only at 164mp5 at the moment though @ lvl77 |
| 07:16.32 | airtonix | 896spell power |
| 07:16.36 | zespri | can someone suggest and addon that can display a banner or something when a friend wants to contact me. I always miss wispers as I don't look at the chat area and mostly play without sound. |
| 07:20.37 | Gnarfoz | solution that doesn't require an addon: create a new chat window, dock it as a tab (should be so by default) and set whispers to only display there. |
| 07:20.50 | Gnarfoz | the tab should flash then, if it's not the one that's visible |
| 07:21.42 | mikma | i created addon for that, except it doesnt alert you much.. svn://svn.wowinterface.com/mikma-174/Pssst |
| 07:22.00 | mikma | just saves party+guild+whisper |
| 07:22.44 | Gnarfoz | for what I recommended, there's also one of haste's weirdly-japanesely-named addons that makes said flash keep going on forever, instead of only 30 seconds |
| 07:22.50 | Gnarfoz | I think it's Fane? ^^ |
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| 07:27.41 | zespri | thanks =) |
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| 07:52.38 | haste | Gnarfoz: Fane is actually a norwegian word :p |
| 07:52.58 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:53.02 | Fisker | danish word you mean |
| 07:53.09 | Gnarfoz | I suspect you of being truthful |
| 07:53.41 | haste | it just means tab |
| 07:53.56 | haste | and no Fisker ! |
| 07:54.05 | Fisker | no haste |
| 07:54.16 | Fisker | fane is our word |
| 07:54.27 | TC-Away | sends the seven plagues of Egypt to Fisker |
| 07:54.39 | haste | it's from norrøn Fisker, so go fuck yourself :p |
| 07:55.24 | Fisker | better watch out haste |
| 07:55.32 | Thunder_Child | remember haste, this is Fisker....who finaly got rid of his - after the houseclearing |
| 07:55.56 | haste | that means he's more positive! |
| 07:56.04 | Fisker | your mom is is Fisker |
| 07:56.04 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it |
| 07:56.19 | haste | and he could just have asked a oper to do it for him |
| 07:56.39 | Thunder_Child | it still requires a minimum wait time |
| 07:57.41 | haste | yep, but they are usually pretty open about it |
| 07:58.22 | Fisker | your mom was pretty open as well |
| 07:58.24 | Fisker | legwise that is |
| 07:58.25 | Fisker | hoho |
| 07:58.34 | mikma | failed troll |
| 07:59.12 | mikma | fisker: just because ots you imma gonna spoil the new terminator movie end! |
| 07:59.24 | mikma | spoiler! the movie ends. |
| 08:01.44 | Fisker | old |
| 08:02.35 | mikma | new |
| 08:02.42 | mikma | ene you didnt know that |
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| 09:22.21 | Grum | Does anyone know of any addon which has 'keybind' profiles? |
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| 09:34.31 | Wobin | ~logs |
| 09:34.31 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 09:37.30 | Wobin | wow. 3 and a half years doing addons |
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| 09:42.35 | Fisker | ~roulette Wobin |
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| 10:01.17 | stolenlegacy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.26 | stolenlegacy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:03.42 | Jrdcl | So, I'm curious how to pass a reference to a table into a function as well as how to access the table which the reference argument refers to from within the function. Any pointers? |
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| 10:15.20 | Wobin | tables are almost always passed as a reference |
| 10:16.09 | Wobin | can't offhand think of an instance where they aren't, but there you go |
| 10:16.18 | jnwhiteh | they're always |
| 10:16.22 | Wobin | oh good =) |
| 10:16.28 | jnwhiteh | in order for them to not be you would have to copy them |
| 10:16.32 | Wobin | I didn't want to make a statement without a qualifier =) |
| 10:18.05 | Wobin | argh, what's the Microsoft RCS? |
| 10:18.11 | Wobin | sourcesafe? |
| 10:18.16 | Jrdcl | Hrm. So, if I pass in a table as a argument to my function, I can just use the argument variable to modify the original table? |
| 10:18.21 | Wobin | Jrdcl: indeed |
| 10:18.45 | Jrdcl | Well that's handy. |
| 10:19.42 | Jrdcl | Will test to be sure, but thank you Wobin. |
| 10:20.16 | Dezzi | is there a way to enable gzip decompression in chrome/firefox? |
| 10:23.10 | Dezzi | guess it works in firefox but chromium doesn't pick up proper on it |
| 10:26.16 | Dezzi | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/20051114.html.gz delicious old logs |
| 10:27.00 | Mikk | Wobin: Yes, SourceSafe |
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| 10:40.56 | Jrdcl | I'll be danged. It did pass it by reference. =o |
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| 11:11.03 | Wobin | Dolby: I was updating my addon, and I didn't click the "read terms and agreement", but it got pushed through anyway... |
| 11:25.45 | jnwhiteh | my MSBT has stopped working.. odd. |
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| 11:35.08 | jnwhiteh | so my client |
| 11:35.24 | jnwhiteh | is not receiving COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 11:35.34 | jnwhiteh | there we go |
| 11:35.58 | jnwhiteh | restarting client fixed it tho |
| 11:36.05 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:40.35 | Dezzi | any of you apply for the item designer position? |
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| 11:49.19 | Wobin | wonders how much to name drop in cover letters =P |
| 11:49.46 | zenzelezz | name drop? |
| 11:50.00 | Wobin | "So... I was speaking to Cairenn..." |
| 11:50.07 | Fisker | hello Wobin |
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| 11:54.32 | electric_ | is there an inbuild lua string replace function? :/ |
| 11:54.42 | electric_ | like php's str_replace() |
| 11:55.39 | cbreak | check out string.gsub |
| 11:56.10 | electric_ | cheers |
| 11:57.29 | electric_ | aha perfect |
| 11:57.41 | electric_ | ty |
| 12:12.58 | Aelobin | anyone know how to use a windows xp install disk as a boot disk? |
| 12:13.43 | cbreak | put in computer |
| 12:13.45 | cbreak | turn on computer |
| 12:13.56 | cbreak | and then select CD as boot device |
| 12:14.10 | Aelobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.24 | Aelobin | thatll take me into the windows setup i know |
| 12:14.28 | cbreak | yes |
| 12:14.38 | cbreak | isn't that the intention when booting from an install disk? |
| 12:14.52 | Aelobin | no, i said i want to use it as a boot disk :p |
| 12:15.02 | Aelobin | aka - run the OS from a disk for repair purposes |
| 12:15.04 | cbreak | yes, you booted from it |
| 12:15.27 | cbreak | on the OS X install CD there's a menu where you can switch to a shell or disk utility |
| 12:15.32 | cbreak | maybe windows has that too? |
| 12:15.57 | Aelobin | hmm i think you can select install windows or recovery console |
| 12:16.02 | Aelobin | but i wouldnt know what to type in the console xD |
| 12:16.44 | cbreak | format c: |
| 12:16.47 | cbreak | is not something you'd want |
| 12:16.54 | cbreak | maybe chkdsk c: |
| 12:17.22 | cbreak | but http://www.slax.org/ is a better place to get a good recovery medium :) |
| 12:21.33 | Aelobin | ah ty :) |
| 12:22.16 | Aelobin | my parent's main computer failed a windows repair install so i'm needing a boot OS disk of some type to xfer all the files they need from one harddrive to the other >_< |
| 12:22.23 | Aelobin | before nuking it with a fresh windows install |
| 12:23.44 | cbreak | slax is linux. You can install it on a USB Memory Stick and use it to transfer files |
| 12:24.12 | cbreak | but if you have a separate hard drive, you have more options |
| 12:24.22 | cbreak | you could install windows on the other for example :) |
| 12:34.12 | Aelobin | aye that's what i plan on doing :) |
| 12:34.21 | Aelobin | after transferring anythign thats needed |
| 12:37.48 | cbreak | you don't really need to transfer anything |
| 12:38.11 | cbreak | just install windows on an empty drive, boot from it, and access the old original drive as you want |
| 12:39.32 | Aelobin | aye but they had both drives in use :P |
| 12:39.59 | Aelobin | hence D: files -> C: :P |
| 12:43.31 | Cruciformer | afternoon everyone |
| 12:45.04 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: I just scrolled back. I forget exactly how but there is a weird Ctrl-Fn key you can press off an XP install disk that will give you a cmd prompt and take you into some weird shellmode ... I'll try find it for you if you still need it |
| 12:45.49 | Aelobin | shift+f10 ? |
| 12:45.50 | amro | Aelobin: what you really mean is some kind of live cd, "boot disk" is any disk that you can boot from |
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| 12:46.15 | Aelobin | ah thats the word i was looking for :P |
| 12:46.21 | Aelobin | no wonder googling didnt provide much |
| 12:46.39 | Grum | just buy another disk, install windows and use the old disk besides it to just copy files over? :D |
| 12:46.47 | Cruciformer | which word? And yeah Shift-F10 soundes right |
| 12:46.58 | Aelobin | live cd ~= boot cid |
| 12:47.02 | Aelobin | *cd |
| 12:48.00 | Aelobin | i'll reword my question then: anyone know where to get a windows xp live cd from, or how to use the install disc as a live cd :P |
| 12:48.19 | amro | there's a recovery console from the xp install cd, but it's not that helpful |
| 12:48.25 | amro | you should try slax as cbreak suggested |
| 12:48.44 | amro | if all you need to do is copy files, a new interface shouldn't be a big problem |
| 12:48.49 | Aelobin | already finished the download, just burning that iso now :) |
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| 12:50.09 | cbreak | I don't think you can legally make windows xp live cds |
| 12:50.38 | cbreak | since xp is licensed for installation, and when put on a cd, it's not actually installed. |
| 12:50.40 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 12:50.53 | Aelobin | ah yeh that would explain why i cant find any live cd downloads :P |
| 12:53.24 | Aelobin | problem on my repair install is it just stops still at installing network 31 minutes in =/ |
| 13:01.47 | Cruciformer | any of you linixheads out there know which version of THEL Centos 5.3 is the equivalent of? |
| 13:02.24 | Cruciformer | *RHEL |
| 13:02.41 | Antiarc | shouldn't be hard to compare kernel versions to find out |
| 13:03.35 | Cruciformer | Im less concerned about teh kernel version versus trying to figure which package I should download. the site has packages for RHEL and debian, I dont know which Centos is closer to. |
| 13:05.00 | cbreak | I found it easier to compile from source than to use binary packages that didn't come from the OS' package system itself |
| 13:05.37 | Cruciformer | yeah I guess I'll just do that. I was just being lazy and wanted to just snag the rpm |
| 13:06.08 | Antiarc | I suspect the centos version is the same as the RHEL version |
| 13:06.13 | Antiarc | They're usually kept pretty much in lockstep |
| 13:06.24 | Antiarc | And cbreak, CentOS is RHEL, just rebranded |
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| 13:10.50 | Cruciformer | Lord I detest sites that make you register to download a simple rpm. What happened to good ol fashioned ftp :P |
| 13:12.48 | Cruciformer | and of course the site doesnt work with lynx. *sigh* |
| 13:12.53 | Antiarc | If you're on CentOS and yum isn't cutting it for you, I'd generally recommend compiling from source |
| 13:13.38 | Cruciformer | Considering how long its been out I would have expected teh centos yum to allow me to upgrade to svn 1.6 |
| 13:13.44 | Cruciformer | the only version its giving me is 1.4.2 |
| 13:13.58 | Antiarc | centos prioritizes stability over currency |
| 13:14.12 | Antiarc | So you tend to not get upgrades for software after a given release, unless there's a security issu |
| 13:14.23 | Antiarc | If you want more edge stuff, consider Fedora |
| 13:14.23 | Cruciformer | yum list|grep httpd |
| 13:14.50 | Antiarc | yum list httpd works as well :) |
| 13:15.09 | Cruciformer | Antiarc: this is a server provided by serverbeach, not sure fedora was an option |
| 13:15.14 | Antiarc | ah, okay |
| 13:15.27 | Antiarc | well, I'd recommend just compiling from source if you want a newer version of svn |
| 13:15.42 | Antiarc | Newer packages are going to expect newer libraries and that's a giant mess of painful |
| 13:15.43 | Cruciformer | yup thats what Im gonna do |
| 13:16.20 | Wobin | does Cairenn have an email address? Or is it Cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 13:16.43 | Wobin | ah cairenn@eqinterface.com |
| 13:17.57 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjIM0-BoH0o&fmt=18 |
| 13:19.42 | Cruciformer | I am assuming I should unstall using yum the existing svn before I install a compiled one? |
| 13:19.55 | Antiarc | Generally, yeah |
| 13:22.50 | Aelobin | i doubt myself so much that i unplugged the documents harddrive before doingg a format in case i chose the wrong drive :P |
| 13:23.17 | Antiarc | Not a bad idea, really :P |
| 13:25.05 | Aelobin | argh my m8's using my vent to do 10 man ulduar and it's so hard to resist the urge to play the benny hill theme into his channel :P |
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| 13:29.03 | Beladona | cairenn@wowinterface and cairenn@eqinterface.com will go to the same place, btw |
| 13:36.20 | cbreak | there are better sounds you could play |
| 13:36.25 | cbreak | something classical |
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| 13:49.38 | zenzelezz | http://dizzythinks.net/2009/06/i-stole-your-images-put-them-back-or-i.html |
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| 14:11.58 | Cruciformer | ah man recipe for a happy life: a playful cat, a laser pointer and catnip. |
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| 14:26.14 | xcel | is it possible to query the wow ui api to get a respone if a quest is completed or not? |
| 14:26.39 | airtonix | !api quest |
| 14:26.39 | lua_bot | Found 115 possible matches for 'quest'. Please be more specific |
| 14:27.26 | zerda | !api quest complete |
| 14:27.26 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'quest complete'. |
| 14:27.31 | airtonix | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Quest_Functions |
| 14:28.09 | xcel | oki I'll continue to search for it :) Just though someone here might already know :) |
| 14:32.08 | airtonix | from the quick search i did it seems you need to match the amount of objectives meet for a quest |
| 14:32.37 | airtonix | there doesnt seem to be a IsQuestCompleted(questIndex) == true |
| 14:32.54 | xcel | no .. but maybe IsQuestCompletable is usable? |
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| 14:33.12 | xcel | it should return false if quest is already completed? |
| 14:34.15 | airtonix | doesnt accept an index |
| 14:34.25 | airtonix | requires prior loading into the quest window |
| 14:35.18 | xcel | bummer |
| 14:35.58 | xcel | would be nice to be able to see what quests I haven't done in each zone |
| 14:38.54 | airtonix | you mean other than looking at your questlog for the word (completed) |
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| 14:39.07 | airtonix | (since quests are sorted by zone) |
| 14:39.46 | airtonix | or you might like to look at using something like tomquest |
| 14:42.05 | xcel | I'll see if it got what I need |
| 14:46.11 | xcel | it seems slick but I don't think it can do what I'm looking for .. maybe it's not possible at all. In my hunt for loremaster I found out that I often got stuck on like .. 1 quests left in a certain zoon but I couldn't find any quests to complete. Would be nice to have a db of all quests and be able to check which quests is completed on a character to find out what quests to get. |
| 14:50.36 | cbreak | the client has no information about quests you completed already and turned in |
| 14:50.55 | cbreak | the only quests it tells you about are the ones you accepted and are in your chat log. |
| 14:50.55 | stolenl|away | it would only list quests you complete while you have the addon turned on |
| 14:52.36 | xcel | that's why I was looking for a api function to send quest id and get a boolean response but it doesn't seem to exist |
| 14:53.15 | stolenl|away | there is no function like tha |
| 14:53.18 | stolenl|away | s/tha/that/ |
| 14:54.32 | xcel | to bad .. whould have been useful |
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| 15:37.25 | Cidan | slow morning |
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| 16:00.13 | Tuller | something like that |
| 16:00.48 | zenzelezz | how not to restore people's belief in the quality of American television: come up with shows like "Paris Hilton's new BFF" |
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| 16:08.12 | cog|away | pokes wowinterface.com/community.php |
| 16:09.27 | cog|away | zenzelezz: hire ex-playboy model vaccination denier for her own talk show |
| 16:09.58 | zenzelezz | that would be another good example, yeah |
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| 16:21.12 | Mystical | is there a way to save the reference to a table instead of it's content? |
| 16:21.30 | cbreak | yes |
| 16:21.37 | cbreak | don't copy the contents |
| 16:21.49 | cbreak | tables are always by reference |
| 16:21.56 | Mystical | hmm strange |
| 16:22.12 | Mystical | myreferencetable[name] = targettable; ? |
| 16:22.26 | cbreak | newtable = oldtable |
| 16:23.16 | Mystical | i have a public table which should save tables with thier name as index |
| 16:23.22 | cbreak | lua> t1={} t2=t1 t1[1]="test" print(t2[1]) |
| 16:23.23 | lua_bot | cbreak: test |
| 16:23.42 | cbreak | -> by reference :) |
| 16:23.43 | Mystical | hm.. so it should be right how i do |
| 16:23.46 | Mystical | :/ |
| 16:25.29 | zenzelezz | well, are you having trouble with it? |
| 16:25.59 | Mystical | kind of |
| 16:26.38 | Mystical | i've got a main object "FAPI" which has a field "Frames" where all managed frames should be referenced |
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| 16:27.43 | Mystical | When creating a new frame object i assign the created object via "FAPI.Frames[self.name] = self;" (FAPI a the initialisized, global object) |
| 16:28.37 | Mystical | But when adding a field to a frame via object member-function i cant access that new field via reference |
| 16:28.56 | zenzelezz | how are you accessing them? |
| 16:29.15 | Mystical | sec, nopasting the parts you need |
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| 16:40.00 | Dewin | Who here is good at coming up with addon names? >.> |
| 16:40.33 | zenzelezz | you'd be better off just describing your addon and letting everyone have a go at it |
| 16:40.34 | Cruciformer | theres a subjective question if ever I heard one :) |
| 16:41.16 | Cidan | Shitting Dick Nipples. |
| 16:41.21 | Cidan | That's your new addon name. |
| 16:41.24 | Cidan | Accept it. |
| 16:41.31 | BlackNet | Dewin i follow the KISS rule when doing addon's |
| 16:41.43 | Dewin | I'm pretty sure that's already in use somewhere |
| 16:41.45 | Jamash | Royale with Cheese |
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| 16:42.30 | Coren{de} | PeaceThruSuperiorFirepower, clearly an AddOn name that's still missing out there ~ |
| 16:42.31 | Dewin | I'm trying to write an addon for managing and assigning party/raid buffs, similiar to PallyPower but wider in scope. Originally I was going to use RaidBuffManager but the TLA "RBM" is already used by an addon |
| 16:42.52 | Jamash | Buff Blaster |
| 16:43.16 | Cruciformer | Warren Buffit - the richest buff mod in teh world |
| 16:43.17 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't say you can't use that name just because another addon is abbreviated in the same way |
| 16:43.19 | BlackNet | having a name that matches what hte plug does helps noobs and the like out in getting your app :) |
| 16:43.28 | BlackNet | names like skillet makes you go wtf does it do? |
| 16:43.36 | Jamash | fries things, duh |
| 16:43.39 | Dewin | since one of the features is going to be to whisper assignments to people who don't have the addon, I want it to have a nice three-letter acronym that people who get these whispers might think to search for. |
| 16:43.40 | BlackNet | buff blaster you would go oh it does stuff with buff's and the like |
| 16:43.53 | NightHawkTheSane | who wants to actually help people, though? |
| 16:43.57 | zenzelezz | Thunder Buff |
| 16:44.03 | Jamash | ^ |
| 16:44.11 | Dewin | zenzelezz: Then I'd have to roll horde. :-p |
| 16:44.14 | BlackNet | that's the ultimate goal of plugin authors NightHawkTheSane |
| 16:44.21 | Jamash | Buffalo |
| 16:44.25 | Dewin | though I like the idea of Buft. |
| 16:44.26 | Tuller | taken |
| 16:44.27 | Dewin | Hmm. |
| 16:44.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i think you're assuming we're far more altruistic than we are. |
| 16:44.45 | Jamash | Buff Me Dammit |
| 16:44.46 | Dewin | I'm pretty sure most addon authors start writing an addon to scratch an itch. |
| 16:44.48 | Coren{de} | BuffAssignmentControl, BAC? |
| 16:44.51 | BlackNet | the goal of plugins is to what? help make things easier on ppl :) |
| 16:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly, i could give a rats ass if anyone used my mods. i write them because i use them. :P |
| 16:44.56 | Cidan | I say |
| 16:44.58 | Cidan | it's called |
| 16:45.00 | Cidan | WTF |
| 16:45.07 | Cidan | [WTF] GET YOUR BUFFS UP! |
| 16:45.18 | Jamash | What the Buff |
| 16:45.21 | Cidan | Bam |
| 16:45.21 | Coren{de} | WayToBuff, WTB |
| 16:45.37 | Dewin | Cidan: But the "Have you tried deleting your WTF folder?" question would inevitably make someone delete the addon |
| 16:45.44 | Cruciformer | Buffalo Bill - now with skinning support |
| 16:45.52 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:45.56 | Cidan | That makes it all the more funny. |
| 16:45.58 | Jamash | BBQ = Better Buff Queue |
| 16:46.07 | airtonix | butch |
| 16:46.10 | Dewin | skinning support? skin the paladins who keep overwriting each other's kings on you instead of giving you kings and wis? |
| 16:46.22 | foxlit | "PeaceThruSuperiorFirepower, clearly an AddOn name that's still missing out there ~" << meh, too long. Try PeaceThroughPower. |
| 16:46.34 | Cruciformer | "Its puts the kings on the druids or it gets the hose again" |
| 16:46.58 | airtonix | foxlit, MinistryOfPeace |
| 16:47.08 | Jamash | Supreme Power with J. Michael Straczynski |
| 16:47.12 | airtonix | minipeace |
| 16:47.31 | Dewin | Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. |
| 16:47.32 | zenzelezz | Buffoon |
| 16:47.39 | Dewin | pretty sure Buffoon is taken |
| 16:47.41 | Mystical | sry took a bit, the big block comments are the positions that are most interesting. http://nopaste.us.to/8d1f80a541.html and the usage of these objects: http://nopaste.us.to/950d6e0e46.html |
| 16:48.12 | zenzelezz | Dewin: that's your responsibility to check, we just provide suggestions :-p |
| 16:48.20 | Jamash | Buffologist |
| 16:48.26 | Mystical | ah damn... i think i just saw my mistake |
| 16:48.47 | Dewin | meh, I think I'll just go with my current working name (RaidBuffAssist/RBA) for now. |
| 16:48.49 | Cruciformer | Lady Gadiver - ride in the buff! |
| 16:48.56 | Jamash | >_< |
| 16:49.34 | Dewin | (Buffy the Reagent Slayer?) |
| 16:50.04 | Mystical | hm nope still the same |
| 16:51.45 | Jamash | Buff Assistant Daemon |
| 16:52.29 | BlackNet | so when is 3.2 suppose to roll? |
| 16:52.37 | Cidan | Holy shit, 3.2 rolls? |
| 16:52.38 | Jamash | ~soon |
| 16:52.38 | purl | [soon] well before heat death, or http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 16:52.39 | Cidan | That's amazing. |
| 16:52.54 | BlackNet | that's like soon[tm] or soonish as in reality |
| 16:52.57 | Dewin | Jamash, I don't want my addon to be BAD, it's supposed to replacing one I already consider to be trash |
| 16:53.37 | Cidan | Dewin: Use OpenRDX, problem solved, xD |
| 16:53.46 | Cidan | whistles innocently |
| 16:53.51 | BlackNet | RBS, raid buff system |
| 16:53.51 | Jamash | is that an open source explosive? |
| 16:54.03 | Dewin | The itch I'm scratching is: I consider PallyPower to be trash, but neccessary because there's nothing better. |
| 16:54.12 | Dewin | And PallyPower doesn't let you assign anything to non-pallypower-using paladins |
| 16:54.27 | Dewin | (maybe "Trash" is a harsh word, it's more a case of not liking the UI) |
| 16:54.44 | Cidan | If you don't know what RDX is, well then, sucks to be you. It's an addon that lets you create windows and objects in game using a visual editor, that can literally look like, respond, and feel however you want. |
| 16:54.55 | Cidan | Disclaimer: I'm co-author, xD |
| 16:55.07 | Cidan | Or was, or am. whichever. |
| 16:55.09 | Dewin | I'll play with it Cidan, but I need to work on the underlying code first anyways. |
| 16:56.30 | Cidan | No code needed, you can just create a window, edit the frames that show up inside it, add buttons to the frames that appear or disappear, have custom lua scripts on events, the whole thing. Cool thing is, when you're done, you can send your window as a package to other players that have ORDX installed, in game, no restart needed. |
| 16:56.40 | Jamash | Addon Which Yields Exceptional Awesomeness (AW-YEA) |
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| 16:56.44 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:56.46 | Cidan | I love that |
| 16:56.48 | Cidan | AW-YEA |
| 16:56.57 | Cidan | That's a winner right there. |
| 16:57.16 | Cruciformer | DICK - Dont Innervate Caster, DICK |
| 16:57.32 | Cidan | that'd be.. DICD |
| 16:57.39 | Dewin | Your recursive acronymn fails. |
| 16:57.42 | Cidan | Indeed. |
| 16:57.42 | Mikk | No such rule anymore. Innervate yields as much mana on everyone. |
| 16:57.46 | Cruciformer | err, I meant Kid at the end |
| 16:58.00 | Cruciformer | wasnt an attempt at recursion |
| 16:58.26 | Jamash | innervate the hunter imo |
| 16:58.35 | Mikk | ^ |
| 17:00.00 | Cruciformer | My kingdom for an OC-3 right in my office |
| 17:02.14 | Cruciformer | who was it that was interested in my experience with worldoflogs.com live update thingy yesterday? |
| 17:02.15 | Cidan | hm |
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| 17:02.20 | Cidan | did my client part the channel? |
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| 17:02.55 | zenzelezz | world o' flogs? |
| 17:03.16 | Cruciformer | heh :) |
| 17:04.21 | Cruciformer | Im really liking that site. Has a good few things wws doesn't, if you are into log monitoring and analysis. |
| 17:07.34 | Ackis | our kitten... jumped on the garbage can, and fell in... we didn't kow where he was for about 10 minutes lol |
| 17:08.24 | Shirik | no Cidan |
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| 17:09.47 | BlackNet | guy in another channel was sending a box out, was filled with peanuts. he decided to check it one last time before loading it up. he found his sleeping cat in the box under the peanuts |
| 17:09.50 | TireOut | Can anybody help me how to make server of wow wrath of the lich king on debian i686 under latest wine under emulating win xp |
| 17:10.17 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:10.17 | zenzelezz | no |
| 17:10.21 | Fisker | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 17:11.36 | TireOut | could somebody help me ? |
| 17:11.55 | zenzelezz | we don't talk about private servers in this channel |
| 17:12.09 | TireOut | >:-[ |
| 17:12.16 | TireOut | where should i go < |
| 17:12.42 | Cruciformer | tireout: www.google.com |
| 17:12.45 | mikma | is it just me, or is wowinterface feeling bad atm |
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| 17:12.54 | foxlit | It's only YOU AND THE ENTIRE WORLD! |
| 17:13.04 | zenzelezz | mikma: so it seems |
| 17:13.11 | zenzelezz | mikma: what did you do to it? |
| 17:13.19 | mikma | shit and giggles |
| 17:16.27 | Shirik | mikma: we know, and working to fix it |
| 17:16.38 | mikma | shirik: we know, too! ;) |
| 17:16.59 | zenzelezz | besides, it can't be that bad, it had a pretty 500 page |
| 17:18.37 | Cruciformer | make -j16 ftw |
| 17:19.25 | Cidan | Shirik: we should make babies. |
| 17:19.32 | foxlit | So, the great question of life, the universe and everything: how many sunfury warlocks must I kill while leveling my weapon skill? |
| 17:19.56 | mikma | cidan: but those babies should be full of ass and fail :( |
| 17:21.40 | Shirik | Cidan: ok |
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| 17:35.14 | Mikk | foxlit: zero if you run into DM north and go afk on one of the ghosts around the end arena |
| 17:35.54 | foxlit | Mikk: when was the last time you checked? |
| 17:36.03 | Mikk | few months ago |
| 17:36.20 | Mikk | well after the blasted lands ones got nerfed though |
| 17:36.34 | foxlit | One of the patches made immune mobs not give weapon skill. |
| 17:36.37 | Coren{de} | there is no format specifier for format("%x", table) that prints the table "address" like print(table), is there? |
| 17:36.39 | foxlit | Azaloth and everything. |
| 17:37.38 | Mikk | Coren{de}: format("%s", table) will print the address |
| 17:38.43 | Coren{de} | Mikk, not in my WoW :( "string expected, got table" |
| 17:39.25 | Coren{de} | I'd have expected %x to work, but alas... would be too intuitive :D |
| 17:40.44 | foxlit | What intuitive about formatting a table as a hexadecimal number? |
| 17:41.33 | Mikk | It is to those of us used to C |
| 17:41.35 | foxlit | (besides, why could you possibly care about the address?) |
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| 17:41.48 | Mikk | Coren{de}: Do format("%s", tostring(myTable)) then |
| 17:41.52 | zenzelezz | I agree with foxlit, octal would be much more sensible |
| 17:42.07 | Mikk | ~zenzelezz-- |
| 17:43.09 | Hirsute-Home | There's a way to adjust the tab-target distance, isn't there? |
| 17:43.13 | Mikk | The address is temporarily useful when printing debug info. The same table accessed through different references will obviously still be printing the same address. |
| 17:43.20 | Coren{de} | heh, ok, tostring wins... (no need to do a format("%s", string) to get a string...) |
| 17:43.31 | Mikk | doooh :> |
| 17:43.55 | Mikk | Whether or not the table address changes when it is resized, i do not know |
| 17:43.59 | foxlit | Mikk: meh. Assign arbitrary numbers to tables yourself if you care :) |
| 17:43.59 | Mikk | I'd assume no |
| 17:44.09 | Dewin | are there any spellIDs above 65535? |
| 17:44.25 | Mikk | Not currently. But don't count on there never being more than that. We're pretty close already. |
| 17:44.41 | Cide | lua> t={}; print(tostring(t)); for i=1, 10000 do t["a"..i] = true; end print(tostring(t)) |
| 17:44.42 | lua_bot | Cide: table: 0x98fead0, table: 0x98fead0 |
| 17:45.02 | Mikk | Cheers for confirming my suspicion :P |
| 17:45.56 | Dewin | yeah, I can't imagine the table address would ever change, since a = {}; b = a; a.foo = 1; -- b.foo now also = 1 |
| 17:46.11 | Cide | that's not what he's talking about |
| 17:46.27 | Cide | lua tables are dynamically resized to fit more elements |
| 17:46.55 | Dewin | Yes, but I can't imagine the address changing, since the address is (probably) how two identical tables are kept that way. |
| 17:47.04 | Cide | .. |
| 17:47.14 | Cide | he's wondering if the address can change if lua finds that the memory block isn't big enough (which I guess we didn't prove it doesn't) |
| 17:47.17 | Mikk | There's probably a fixed size descriptor that doesn't move |
| 17:47.19 | Dewin | lua> a = {}; b = a; print tostring(a); print tostring(b); |
| 17:47.22 | zenzelezz | do the table addresses actually reference real memory addresses, or are they just generated somehow by lua to distinguish the tables? |
| 17:47.23 | Mikk | The array portion is likely different |
| 17:47.27 | lua_bot | Dewin: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'tostring' |
| 17:47.38 | Dewin | fails |
| 17:47.39 | Mikk | I'd assume the address we see is the address of the fixed size descriptor |
| 17:47.50 | Dewin | lua> a = {}; b = a; print(tostring(a)); print(tostring(b)); |
| 17:47.54 | lua_bot | Dewin: table: 0x932bab0, table: 0x932bab0 |
| 17:47.55 | Cide | if not it pretty much has to change address |
| 17:47.56 | Dewin | Mikk: I imagine so as well. |
| 17:48.05 | Cide | Dewin: you're not understanding the issue at all |
| 17:48.15 | BlackNet | all it is is a pointer |
| 17:48.20 | Cide | nobody has contested that two different references to the same object indeed reference the same object (by definition) |
| 17:48.24 | Dewin | Cide: I understand the issue perfectly. |
| 17:48.25 | Mikk | BlackNet: Yes, but the question was what it was pointing at |
| 17:48.42 | BlackNet | memory address |
| 17:48.48 | Mikk | doh =) |
| 17:48.50 | foxlit | no, an elephant! |
| 17:48.53 | Cide | you seem to be discussing a totally different one |
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| 17:49.07 | Cruciformer | address of your ex-gf after she got the restraining order :P |
| 17:49.07 | Cide | lua could in theory update all references to the new address should the address of a table change |
| 17:49.13 | Mikk | Dewin is right about what Lua will have to say about it |
| 17:49.17 | Dewin | Cide: But that would be horribly inefficient. |
| 17:49.19 | Mikk | Cide and I were talking about Lua internals |
| 17:49.20 | Cide | agreed |
| 17:49.28 | Cide | I'm just saying it's a possibility |
| 17:49.39 | Mikk | And we wanted to know |
| 17:49.40 | Mikk | And now we konow |
| 17:49.43 | Mikk | End of story :) |
| 17:49.44 | BlackNet | the answer is 42 |
| 17:49.54 | Cide | and pretty much a necessity if the memory address given is the real memory location of the actual table data |
| 17:49.59 | Dewin | Lua not being a horribly inefficient language, it likely has a table 'structure' somewhere in memory that in turn points to where the data really is. The location of the real data may move, the header structure won' |
| 17:50.08 | Mikk | Exactly! |
| 17:50.10 | Cide | indeed |
| 17:50.22 | Cide | but, being a scientist, proof > likelyhood |
| 17:50.24 | Mikk | Now we can all hug kiss and dance merrily off to whatever it was we were supposed to be doing |
| 17:50.42 | Mikk | was making coffee, personally |
| 17:50.48 | mikma | permanently |
| 17:50.55 | Dewin | Cide: I'd go dig through the source but it's not worth the time for me |
| 17:51.05 | Hirsute-Home | Oh come on now, being a scientist, *evidence*>likelihood, but there's no such thing as "proof". Proof only exists in mathematics. |
| 17:51.18 | Hirsute-Home | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.25 | Cide | I'm actually a mathematician by heart so forgive me for the incorrect terminology :) |
| 17:51.36 | Cide | you're, naturally, correct |
| 17:51.47 | Hirsute-Home | Meh, I'm just tired of studying anatomy and pathology at the moment, and feeling contrary. |
| 17:51.56 | Hirsute-Home | ;) |
| 17:52.04 | mikma | mikk: hi there man with matching 3 letters who always takes fault of my actions! |
| 17:52.09 | foxlit | Hirsute-Home: but mathematics is *everything*. |
| 17:52.26 | zenzelezz | just stick to studying certain parts of the female anatomy and your interest isn't as easily shaken |
| 17:52.41 | BlackNet | wait till you work with 4d arrays in lua :) that's where the fun begins |
| 17:52.57 | Cide | that's not very interesting imo :/ |
| 17:53.07 | Hirsute-Home | zenzelezz: If only I could convince the national board of medical examiners to only test on those things. |
| 17:53.51 | zenzelezz | Hirsute-Home: it's Saturday, I thought you were speaking of studying out of interest, not for education |
| 17:54.08 | Shirik | no |
| 17:54.10 | Hirsute-Home | zenzelezz: I wish. |
| 17:54.13 | BlackNet | lua tables are hashed heterogeneous associative array. |
| 17:54.14 | Shirik | fun in Lua is making a truly OO library |
| 17:54.17 | BlackNet | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterogeneous |
| 17:54.18 | BlackNet | there |
| 17:55.00 | Shirik | class "Foo" ("Bar") { a = function() ... end, ... } |
| 17:55.21 | foxlit | murders Shirik. |
| 17:55.32 | BlackNet | er wrong link |
| 17:55.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:55.40 | BlackNet | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associative_array that one |
| 17:57.31 | foxlit | Thou shalt not use metatables for evil. |
| 17:57.46 | foxlit | (Nor functions, really) |
| 17:57.54 | Hirsute-Home | *twitch* That spelling makes me shudder. |
| 17:59.48 | Hirsute-Home | <--Was educated almost entirely by people who spelled the words "homogenous" and "heterogenous", and pronounced them accordingly. |
| 18:02.43 | Hirsute-Home | Hrmmm. Now this is interesting. Minion is being refused a connection to WoWI for me. |
| 18:03.16 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24733 << boring |
| 18:03.51 | Hirsute-Home | Was just navigating to the forums to check it out. Thanks for the link, foxlit. |
| 18:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
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| 18:04.49 | cbreak | does anyone know if we get a free day from blizzard for yesterdays login problems? |
| 18:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | doubtful |
| 18:05.30 | Hirsute-Home | cbreak: Haven't seen anything. Of course, I didn't have any login problems yesterday, either. |
| 18:05.30 | Cidan | cbreak: unlikely. |
| 18:05.34 | BlackNet | what login problems? |
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| 18:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 18:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | (They were EU problems) |
| 18:06.22 | cbreak | I couldn't log in at all |
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| 18:06.22 | cbreak | got stuck at connecting for hours |
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| 18:08.08 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: pong |
| 18:08.56 | Dewin | Hmm... my idea of scanning values from GetSpellInfo for spell IDs is problematic for some spells |
| 18:10.25 | mikma | dewin: /spew GetSpellLink("Attack"):match('spell:(%d+)') |
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| 18:11.56 | Dewin | Doesn't work for spells I don't know |
| 18:12.05 | Dewin | trying to look it up for a fairly long list of spells |
| 18:13.20 | mikma | well spells you dont know, you need spellID anyway |
| 18:13.38 | Dewin | I have a list of english names. I'm trying to look them all up and code in the spell ID instead. |
| 18:13.41 | mikma | and since you dont know that, your idea is fucked. |
| 18:13.47 | Dewin | I'm scanning the first ~65535 values of GetSpellInfo(x) for a name, but I'm fiinding duplicates... like there's 3 Blessings of Kings. I'd love a good way to filter out which is the "real" ones. |
| 18:13.59 | mikma | ranks.. |
| 18:14.16 | Dewin | Doesn't work for Arcane Intellect (there's duplicates of almost every rank) nor Blessing of Kings (there are no ranks) |
| 18:14.31 | Dewin | I'm looking at both the name and rank |
| 18:15.13 | Dewin | 20217, 56525, 58054 are all Blessing of Kings (no rank). I know from wowhead that 20217 is correct, but I wish I could determine that from in game |
| 18:15.33 | mikma | also, some mobs use same named spells than player, altho, more powerful |
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| 18:17.20 | Dewin | yeah, I'm just trying to look up exact spell IDs for the player-castable spells now and store for later for translation purposes, mostly. |
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| 18:18.15 | Shirik | ik0n |
| 18:18.25 | Shirik | did you ever play RF Online by any chance? |
| 18:18.30 | Cidan | Oh boy |
| 18:18.32 | Cidan | Here we go |
| 18:18.36 | ik0n | nope |
| 18:18.36 | Cidan | xD |
| 18:18.40 | Shirik | bah oh well |
| 18:19.07 | Shirik | Hai Iriel |
| 18:19.12 | Iriel | Hai Shirik |
| 18:19.18 | Shirik | Planning to get a 5D2 today ^_^ |
| 18:20.06 | Iriel | Shirik: Tasty |
| 18:20.08 | Shirik | I played with my coworker's yesterday |
| 18:20.17 | Iriel | Shirik: How much free hard drive space do you have ? |
| 18:20.17 | Shirik | he showed me some pictures he had printed as posters |
| 18:20.22 | Shirik | it's awesome |
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| 18:20.57 | Shirik | only thing I don't like is continuous shooting only seems to be able to do about 5 shots before it slows down significantly |
| 18:21.03 | Iriel | I have an nice printer that does 11x14 prints, they look awesome |
| 18:21.05 | Shirik | but I think that's enough really |
| 18:21.25 | Iriel | Shirik: That's /usually/ somewhat dependent on the size of the shots, it's frequently a limitation of the write to your CF card |
| 18:21.32 | Shirik | right |
| 18:21.36 | Shirik | and that was full quality RAW |
| 18:21.51 | Shirik | if I took down the quality I could get a lot more in I'm sure |
| 18:22.56 | Aelobin | argh i hate it when in NP++ you accidentally click "close all tabs but this one" instead of "close tab" :< |
| 18:23.04 | Shirik | Use vim |
| 18:23.06 | Shirik | problem solved |
| 18:23.15 | Shirik | ok I need to go take a shower |
| 18:24.24 | Dewin | Aelobin: keyboard shortcuts. |
| 18:39.21 | mikma | how can i grab multiple spell-links from slashcommand and add them into a table? |
| 18:40.00 | Iriel | Probably some magic with gfind? |
| 18:40.03 | BlackNet | slashcommand being a table? |
| 18:40.28 | mikma | no, slashcommand being full of spell-links ^^ |
| 18:40.39 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.51 | BlackNet | oh |
| 18:41.00 | BlackNet | so it's an arg table then |
| 18:41.38 | Iriel | BlackNet: it's a string |
| 18:41.49 | Iriel | BlackNet: Slash command arguments are delivered as a single string |
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| 18:42.15 | kneeki | morning everyone |
| 18:42.32 | BlackNet | can you do recursive regexp in wow? |
| 18:42.44 | kneeki | Is Beast Mastery still the levelign spec of choice for Hunters? |
| 18:42.52 | Coren{de} | why use recursion when a simple loop should suffice |
| 18:43.05 | BlackNet | something like "[.-]%s" |
| 18:43.58 | BlackNet | kneeki yes |
| 18:44.23 | kneeki | Ah, I need to find a lvl 70+ spec then. I'm having a hell of a time with Survival, although i hear it's max dps |
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| 18:45.21 | Coren{de} | local foo = strsplit("%]", cmdline; for bar, baz in pairs(foo) do spell = string.match("spell:(%d+)"); done |
| 18:46.39 | Coren{de} | eh, rather without the table, strsplit can go directly into the for |
| 18:48.24 | BlackNet | if you use ... will it pass it as a table instead? |
| 18:49.59 | BlackNet | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_strsplit |
| 18:49.59 | BlackNet | that seems a very hack approach to it |
| 18:50.22 | Shirik|AFK | Iriel, ever worked with Adobe Lightroom? |
| 18:52.34 | Coren{de} | oh, string.match already returns all matches... useless complexity ftw :> for dummy, spell in string.match(cmdline, "spell:(%d+)") do SomethingWithSpell(spell) done |
| 18:52.34 | batbot | Coren{de}, nothing found. |
| 18:53.21 | BlackNet | Coren{de} yes :) why i was asking about recursive regexp stuff. |
| 18:53.30 | Iriel | Shirik: I own it, so yes |
| 18:53.45 | Shirik | I saw it in use yesterday, it looked pretty easy yet powerful; you like it? |
| 18:53.45 | Iriel | Shirik: I haven't done any extensions or anything tho (but I did download the DSK) |
| 18:53.48 | Iriel | (SDK, even) |
| 18:53.53 | Coren{de} | I don't consider that recursive :) that's strictly linear parsed... |
| 18:53.55 | Shirik | you can make extensions for it? o.lo |
| 18:53.59 | Iriel | In Lua |
| 18:54.00 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 18:54.07 | Shirik | you probably shouldn't have told me that |
| 18:54.17 | Iriel | Anyway, yes, I like it - it works very well |
| 18:54.35 | Iriel | I dont think it's library management functions are quite as good as Aperture, but they're close |
| 18:54.42 | Iriel | The image handling stuff is better than Aperture tho |
| 18:54.48 | BlackNet | recursive regexp is the win |
| 18:54.54 | Shirik | I'm not familiar with Aperture |
| 18:54.59 | Iriel | (And since you're not a mac user, Aperture is useless to you) |
| 18:55.06 | Iriel | It's Apple's professional photo management app |
| 18:55.22 | Iriel | Anyway, you should download the Lightroom trial and give it a go |
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| 19:05.26 | Guest10050 | lmao |
| 19:05.27 | Guest10050 | Iriel |
| 19:05.34 | Guest10050 | did you get that mail from the Lua list? |
| 19:05.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Guest10050] by ChanServ |
| 19:05.58 | Iriel | which mail? |
| 19:05.59 | Shirik | "embed Lua in your Canon camera" |
| 19:06.01 | Shirik | just came through |
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| 19:11.21 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:14.49 | BlackNet | huh? |
| 19:14.55 | BlackNet | lua in your canon camera? |
| 19:18.32 | Fisker | LUA* |
| 19:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 19:29.22 | Dewin | Lua: Largely Uppercased Accidentally? |
| 19:30.05 | Iriel | LUA Uppercased Antagonistically (sp) |
| 19:30.05 | batbot | Iriel, Antagonistically is correct. |
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| 19:30.37 | zenzelezz | Lewdly Uppercased Acronym |
| 19:30.50 | mikma | Lol U Ass |
| 19:31.36 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
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| 19:35.01 | Mikk | zenzelezz wins |
| 19:35.05 | kneeki | The channel MOTD is awesome |
| 19:35.27 | Cairenn|afk | hehhehe |
| 19:35.50 | Mikk | ~literal LUA |
| 19:35.50 | purl | "lua" is "a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon"." |
| 19:35.54 | krka | Mikk: Lua is not an acronym. :-P |
| 19:36.05 | Mikk | krka: your bot is an ass |
| 19:37.53 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.13 | tekkub | how do you tell if a cat is braindamaged or just plain stupid? |
| 19:41.37 | Adys | buy fake plants and see if he tries to eat them |
| 19:42.06 | tekkub | but wouldn't both a stupid cat and a braindamaged cat try to eat them? |
| 19:42.16 | Adys | oh you want the difference |
| 19:42.19 | Adys | hm |
| 19:42.28 | tekkub | yea, I already know he's one of the two |
| 19:42.59 | Adys | bring him to the vet |
| 19:43.03 | Adys | if hes plain stupid he'll follow you. |
| 19:43.21 | Adys | even braindamaged cats can recognize vets |
| 19:43.37 | tekkub | hrm... |
| 19:43.49 | tekkub | well I have to box him up to take him from the house |
| 19:43.52 | zenzelezz | I really don't know. Sometimes my cat will seem like the cleverest ever; the next moment she'll be making me think she's still a kitten mentally |
| 19:43.53 | tekkub | else he freaks out |
| 19:44.21 | tekkub | see the problem is... this little fuck overturned an empty litter canister into his box |
| 19:44.37 | tekkub | then proceeded to pis on everything he could find on the floor |
| 19:44.59 | Adys | hes just annoyed at you then |
| 19:45.15 | tekkub | no, it's not annoyed pissin, I know that |
| 19:45.33 | tekkub | he did it because there was something in his box, that his retarded self caused |
| 19:45.43 | Adys | er, I suppose th.. actually nvm, dont wanna know |
| 19:46.16 | tekkub | he scratches at *everything* for like 5 min after he uses the box |
| 19:46.24 | tekkub | that's how he managed to flip the can in |
| 19:46.35 | tekkub | he's always done that, hence why I think he's braindamaged |
| 19:46.42 | Adys | my cat does that too |
| 19:46.49 | Adys | a lot of cats doo |
| 19:46.51 | Adys | do |
| 19:46.59 | tekkub | so it's just normal stupid? |
| 19:47.09 | Adys | no, they're wiping their hands |
| 19:47.13 | Adys | paws |
| 19:47.15 | Adys | whatever |
| 19:47.27 | tekkub | for FIVE minutes? |
| 19:47.33 | tekkub | I'm not exaggerating |
| 19:47.38 | Adys | cats are very self-conscious. |
| 19:48.15 | tekkub | he gets out, scratches the floor... the wall, the door, that canister... come out, scratch the wall, the door, a laundry basket... |
| 19:48.29 | tekkub | wander over to his food, scratch the food canister... |
| 19:48.47 | tekkub | the floorboard heater |
| 19:48.47 | zenzelezz | my cat has a fascination with blankets |
| 19:49.00 | zenzelezz | she'll sleep on one for hours and hours, then suddenly go "hey, what's underneath?" |
| 19:49.19 | tekkub | zenzelezz: my other cat (the mother) is a licker |
| 19:49.38 | tekkub | I don't like dogs cause the lick so damn much.. then I end up with a cat that licks everything |
| 19:49.44 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 19:49.52 | zenzelezz | mine does too, if you get close to her |
| 19:50.22 | tekkub | when we moved in here we had to sign a thingy about lead because the place was built in like the 70's... I asked the lady if I needed to make sure our cat didn't lick the walls |
| 19:50.27 | tekkub | she thought I was joking |
| 19:50.40 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 19:51.05 | mikma | my cat loves licking plastic boxes |
| 19:51.09 | tekkub | she leaves wet spots on chairs from the licking, she's not a drooler |
| 19:51.37 | tekkub | my sister had a cat that would try to nurse off anything cloth |
| 19:51.52 | tekkub | left these big wet spots on your pants if you held her in your lap |
| 19:51.54 | mikma | sucky sucky |
| 19:52.02 | Adys | my cat was hit by a meteorite and survived |
| 19:52.15 | mikma | cat we used to have always broke into the closet and did chew holes in our socks |
| 19:52.21 | tekkub | Adys: but is now braindamaged? |
| 19:52.34 | Adys | he's currently pissing on your leg |
| 19:53.37 | zenzelezz | mikma: ouch |
| 19:54.11 | zenzelezz | our cat used to pull open drawers so she could lie on our clean towels or clothes |
| 19:54.16 | tekkub | maybe I'll work on TG Icecrown a bit more today |
| 19:54.24 | tekkub | or maybe I'll just look at porn... |
| 19:54.26 | tekkub | choices |
| 19:54.33 | zenzelezz | I still don't know how she did that; those drawers virtually lock if you don't pull them straight out |
| 19:54.47 | tekkub | heh |
| 19:56.10 | mikma | cats are mean bastards |
| 19:56.36 | tekkub | only if you piss them off |
| 19:56.38 | mikma | the sockbiter also broke into the kitchen cabin, and pee'd in a cooking pot |
| 19:56.57 | mikma | took a while until we found the pot, it was half full |
| 19:57.02 | tekkub | the trick is to outwit them and make them think they're the ones getting their way |
| 19:57.29 | tekkub | catnip also helps to cloud their judgement |
| 19:57.45 | zenzelezz | very much http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/12/funny-pictures-ur-point/ |
| 19:58.32 | Mikk | Random and somewhat unexpected "ew omg ew": Grabbing a glass, thinking you grabbed the cold gin&tonic. And instead you get luke warm water. |
| 19:58.34 | tekkub | anyone done all the Icecrown solo quests? |
| 19:59.25 | mikma | tekkub: i think i have done like 80% of them |
| 19:59.31 | Aelobin | hmm how do i make one texture show on top of another |
| 19:59.48 | Adys | Aelobin: dress the underneath texture very sexy |
| 19:59.56 | Aelobin | xD |
| 20:00.01 | tekkub | any hubs that have overlapping quests I should streamline, or just do everything at one hub and then proceed to the next? |
| 20:00.02 | mikma | xD |
| 20:00.55 | mikma | thats a hard one |
| 20:01.17 | mikma | they are spread all around the place and too few people have done them to compare =/ |
| 20:01.32 | tekkub | starting with shadow vault, bone witch, then probably the scarlets off the coast |
| 20:01.53 | tekkub | then probably moving to argents on the other side and working up to the airship |
| 20:02.19 | tekkub | I want the vault to be first since it's like 4 quests to open up the FP and get your tabard |
| 20:04.08 | mikma | also, the dailies! |
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| 20:05.09 | tekkub | dailies should go in their own guide :P |
| 20:05.59 | mikma | oh, i wish someone would do a guide for argent quests |
| 20:07.32 | Koren | Does anyone know if there's a way in Pitbull4 to make it so the cast bar only shows up on target? |
| 20:08.18 | mikma | yes, by disabling it |
| 20:08.57 | Koren | If I disable it, it doesn't show up on the target, though |
| 20:10.36 | mikma | but the target castbar works |
| 20:12.21 | Thunder_Child | Koren, you need to create a setting just for the target |
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| 20:15.05 | Thunder_Child | Koren, go to layout editor and crate a new layout and set it up the way you want it, then go to units -> current unit = target -> layout = the new layout you made |
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| 20:20.41 | Koren | Ah, I see. Thanks |
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| 20:32.24 | electric_ | anyone know off the top of their head if you can fetch a unit's resilience stat? wowwiki doesnt say that unitStat() or UnitDefense() return resilience :/ |
| 20:33.41 | Fisker | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 20:34.09 | Fisker | btw what retard would name a programming language after celestial objects? |
| 20:34.12 | Fisker | Like galaxy |
| 20:34.56 | foxlit | electric_: generally, those won't return values against arbitrary units either |
| 20:35.36 | cbreak | Oberon: named after some elfen king. C. Named after who knows what. Eiffel. Named after some french guy. |
| 20:36.50 | electric_ | foxlit: i just need it for the player =) |
| 20:37.07 | foxlit | Ah. Then you're looking for GetCombatRating and GetCombatRatingBonus |
| 20:37.14 | electric_ | thanks =) |
| 20:39.30 | cbreak | weird. it doesn't list spell penetration, but armor penetration |
| 20:40.38 | Dewin | Bah, wow keeps setting me as /afk and cancelling my /dnd message |
| 20:45.40 | Dewin | Only in programming can repeating the same word 9 times actually mean something useful. |
| 20:45.56 | foxlit | buffalo buffalo buffalo? |
| 20:46.02 | Fisker | only 7 times |
| 20:46.03 | Fisker | pwnt |
| 20:46.11 | cbreak | die! die! die! die! die! die! die! die! die! |
| 20:46.27 | cbreak | hits purl with a large mace |
| 20:46.31 | Dewin | well, and be semantically different than repeating it 8 or 10 times. |
| 20:46.40 | Dewin | end end end end end end end end end |
| 20:46.46 | Dewin | (not all on one line of course) |
| 20:52.11 | Dewin | whee infinite loop whee infinite loop whee infinite loop whee infinite loop whee infinite loop whee infinite loop |
| 20:54.32 | End | Dewin: I hate you |
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| 21:08.53 | Dewin | lol... sorry. |
| 21:09.34 | Dewin | was it the endx9 that did it? |
| 21:12.45 | End | a little bit ;-p |
| 21:13.08 | electric_ | is it possible to reference a table that is inside another table directly? |
| 21:15.14 | electric_ | eg. i have a table WSG{{a1,a2,a3},{b1,b2,b3},{b1,b2,b3}} and i want to access a2, say |
| 21:15.16 | cbreak | yes |
| 21:15.25 | electric_ | *c1,c2,c3 |
| 21:15.40 | cbreak | just put a reference of it somewhere |
| 21:15.54 | electric_ | how do i do it? :/ been trying like WSG[0][1] and it doesnt seem its that >_> |
| 21:15.59 | electric_ | ah |
| 21:16.03 | cbreak | it should |
| 21:16.07 | electric_ | oh |
| 21:16.12 | electric_ | hmm |
| 21:16.18 | Dewin | Don't indices in lua start at 1? |
| 21:16.20 | cbreak | but be aware that lua tables are one based |
| 21:16.27 | cbreak | and not zero based like in C |
| 21:16.30 | electric_ | ah right |
| 21:16.33 | cbreak | (or most other languages) |
| 21:16.37 | electric_ | ^^ |
| 21:16.53 | electric_ | so used to php :( |
| 21:17.43 | cbreak | zero based indexes made sense in C because it was pointer arithmetic |
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| 21:26.41 | Dewin | If a friendly target is over 10 levels above you and then gets mind controlled (thus becoming hostile), does UnitLevel() return their real level or -1? |
| 21:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | -1 |
| 21:39.17 | Thunder_Child | is judgments of the wise broken? |
| 21:39.28 | Thunder_Child | as in not working |
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| 21:42.55 | Dewin | The one that procs replenishment? |
| 21:43.06 | Dewin | Do you have more than 10 casters? |
| 21:43.07 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 21:43.30 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 21:43.38 | Dewin | what fight? |
| 21:43.38 | Thunder_Child | i mean the 25% mana return part |
| 21:43.44 | Dewin | oh. I have no idea :) |
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| 21:53.27 | zenzelezz | I keep seeing PHP-people (who I guess haven't done too much C-style coding) make jokes like "SOME_CONSTANT & SOME_OTHER_CONSTANT", where it would make no sense... whereas if they used |, it would |
| 21:54.04 | squidbear | php is && and || i believe |
| 21:54.14 | zenzelezz | those are comparisons |
| 21:54.18 | zenzelezz | & and | are bitwise operators |
| 21:54.24 | squidbear | oh gotcha |
| 21:54.25 | Vonhinten | He's referring to bitwise or (combine) |
| 21:55.51 | theorbtwo | What they really mean is (foo & SOME_CONSTANT) && (foo & SOME_OTHER_CONSTANT). |
| 21:56.05 | Thunder_Child | lua> 2072-680 |
| 21:56.05 | lua_bot | Thunder_Child: 1392 |
| 21:56.25 | theorbtwo | An experinced Cish programmer would say foo & (SOME_CONSTANT||SOME_OTHER_CONSTANT), which has the same truth value. |
| 21:56.39 | theorbtwo | Sorry, s/\|\|/|/ |
| 21:57.01 | theorbtwo | (Yeah, that has horrible leaning toothpick syndrome.) |
| 21:57.11 | zenzelezz | :-p |
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| 22:06.16 | Thunder_Child | i am amused http://alturl.com/9mjd though it doe shave some issues |
| 22:07.45 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 22:10.32 | Thunder_Child | like sticking in the golden ratio works but not with that |
| 22:11.50 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, who knows how to tell ant where an external jar library is to build with? |
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| 22:41.39 | Ackis | our puppy got groomed today... he looks handsome and has a bandana on lol |
| 22:43.14 | Ackis | and we got the new vashj figurine today |
| 22:48.40 | BlackNet | what type of dog? |
| 22:48.53 | Ackis | pom |
| 22:49.01 | BlackNet | ah |
| 22:49.09 | tekkub | how fucking gay, dog bandanas |
| 22:50.09 | tekkub | my cats would kill me if I did that to them, and rightfully so |
| 22:50.09 | BlackNet | no, your cats would be cowering under the couch afraid to come out because it was shaved |
| 22:50.09 | Ackis | they put it on him :P it's around his neck like a scarf so it's not that bad |
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| 22:59.48 | Dewin | What's the preferred way to 'quietly' inspect someone? i.e. get their inspect data without opening the inspect window. |
| 23:00.03 | Koren | armory |
| 23:00.16 | Dewin | From an addon's perspective |
| 23:00.18 | squidbear | has anyone here worked with the GameTooltip extensively? I'm trying to update/refresh/reload the unit frame when unit stats update but can't figure out how. |
| 23:00.51 | squidbear | and by unit frame i mean unit's gametooltip |
| 23:00.52 | Dewin | I figure I still need to call InspectUnit(), but I want to prevent the window from opening. Also, I want my own inspect attempt to stop if the user is already inspecting someone else. |
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| 23:06.15 | Yttrium | I need help with a very small AddOn I've made but I'm failing horribly, can anyone give me a hand? |
| 23:09.34 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 23:09.35 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 23:09.58 | Yttrium | Nobody is around :< |
| 23:10.10 | Thunder_Child | it's rather quiet here on the weekends |
| 23:10.18 | Thunder_Child | weekdays is the best time |
| 23:10.37 | Thunder_Child | s/is/are/ |
| 23:10.46 | Yttrium | Hah |
| 23:10.57 | Yttrium | Well this is like.... a 5-line Lua only AddOn. |
| 23:13.32 | Yttrium | So is there anyone at all that can help me with this AddOn? The intent is to put a texture on to my screen as a background but I'm failing horribly. |
| 23:13.34 | Nechckn | Yttrium upload to http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ and then return the assigned link. |
| 23:13.51 | Nechckn | Then list the issue and wait for someone to lend a paw. |
| 23:14.04 | Yttrium | Awesome, thanks. |
| 23:14.16 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Nechckn |
| 23:14.16 | purl | blasts Nechckn with a huge firehose then strangles Nechckn with it |
| 23:15.32 | Nechckn | mean ole purl and Thunder_Child! |
| 23:15.52 | Nechckn | don't make me come over there... it won't be pretty |
| 23:15.58 | Thunder_Child | yep, though that was a bit more harsh that i had anticipated |
| 23:16.17 | Nechckn | it was rather evil, even for bot girl |
| 23:16.24 | Thunder_Child | did you just call yourself ugly? |
| 23:16.53 | Nechckn | Ha! You kill me! |
| 23:17.00 | Thunder_Child | if only |
| 23:17.14 | Nechckn | <\end alfness> |
| 23:17.29 | Nechckn | eesh.. now that was ugly |
| 23:17.36 | Thunder_Child | i can barely remember that show |
| 23:17.44 | Yttrium | Ok so here is my extremely simple script: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115957 - All I need is for that texture to be loaded into WoW as a background image (Instead of using kgPanels) but it's not working. |
| 23:19.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin1 (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:19.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Beutju (n=tus@manz-590f2885.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 23:22.19 | jnwhiteh | the frame has no sixze |
| 23:22.23 | jnwhiteh | thus its not displayed. |
| 23:24.23 | tekkub | so.. anyone on US, Horde, PvE or RP wanna take in a bored little furry bitch? |
| 23:24.35 | tekkub | I want a good guild to harass and level a furball on |
| 23:24.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (n=Jamash@c-98-234-176-205.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:25.37 | Yttrium | jnwhiteh: So would http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115958 be correct? |
| 23:27.32 | jnwhiteh | it gives us the next step |
| 23:27.35 | jnwhiteh | you tell me =) |
| 23:28.15 | Yttrium | Just logging in on my slowass computer ;-) |
| 23:28.58 | Yttrium | Ok, that's wierd, it doesn't come up on my AddOn list. |
| 23:29.54 | jnwhiteh | then you have another issue =) |
| 23:29.58 | Yttrium | I have the TOC and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. |
| 23:30.53 | Yttrium | I've just put the TOC underneath http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115960 |
| 23:31.30 | tekkub | NO ONE? /sadpanda |
| 23:32.10 | jnwhiteh | Yttrium: if that's in a directory called MyFrame |
| 23:32.12 | jnwhiteh | and its called MyFrame.toc |
| 23:32.14 | jnwhiteh | then that should work |
| 23:32.31 | Yttrium | Oo I named the folder SLDataText MyFrame :) |
| 23:32.40 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, i'm not horde or i would tell you no |
| 23:32.48 | foxlit | do { int a = 2; } while (a > 5); // << HATE! |
| 23:33.05 | tekkub | yea yea I know you're afraid of me molestering your beard anyway |
| 23:33.11 | foxlit | [Java's scoping rules don't evaluate the do...while conditional in the context of the do block.] |
| 23:33.14 | jnwhiteh | you could come to EU |
| 23:33.14 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:33.25 | Mikk | foxlit: i don't know of any language that does |
| 23:33.28 | Yttrium | EU is awesome ^^ |
| 23:34.06 | foxlit | lua> repeat local b = true; until b; print("Yes you do, Mikk.") |
| 23:34.06 | lua_bot | foxlit: Yes you do, Mikk. |
| 23:34.19 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, my beard slaps back |
| 23:34.35 | Mikk | eh |
| 23:34.50 | Mikk | yoink |
| 23:36.22 | Mikk | I wonder if that's even intended or a bug |
| 23:36.50 | Yttrium | Aha! It's there now :) |
| 23:37.08 | foxlit | "In the repeatâuntil loop, the inner block does not end at the until keyword, but only after the condition. So, the condition can refer to local variables declared inside the loop block." |
| 23:37.45 | Yttrium | jnwhiteh - Unfortunately, the frame hath not appearing. |
| 23:37.48 | Mikk | How.. unusual! |
| 23:37.52 | Yttrium | Or texture anyway. |
| 23:37.54 | tekkub | jnwhiteh: you gonna pay for an EU acct for me? :P |
| 23:38.01 | tekkub | or Yttrium |
| 23:38.07 | jnwhiteh | Yttrium: name the frame |
| 23:38.07 | foxlit | But that's probably not what bugs me most: I actually want a method to return true/false/"so false that you should do something entirely different" |
| 23:38.13 | jnwhiteh | then /run print(MyFrameName:GetRect()) |
| 23:38.17 | jnwhiteh | see if its shown anywhere |
| 23:38.21 | tekkub | I have nothing against it, just can't afford another subscription |
| 23:38.24 | Yttrium | How do I name it... :O |
| 23:38.25 | jnwhiteh | try setting the texture to a color instead of a file. |
| 23:38.31 | foxlit | And throwing exceptions to achieve that third option seems like overkill. |
| 23:38.32 | jnwhiteh | the nil in CreateFrame |
| 23:38.34 | jnwhiteh | make it a string |
| 23:38.37 | jnwhiteh | a nd i'm going to bed. |
| 23:38.44 | Mikk | i always wanted cooler break syntax |
| 23:38.49 | Mikk | like ... break2 |
| 23:38.50 | Yttrium | Wait 'til you've fixed my fail :) |
| 23:38.58 | Mikk | or break retval |
| 23:42.35 | tekkub | here comes the rain again |
| 23:42.46 | tekkub | *dance* |
| 23:43.00 | Thunder_Child | ~lart tekkub |
| 23:43.00 | purl | hauls tekkub up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 23:43.04 | foxlit | Mikk: php lets you specify what you want to break out of, I think |
| 23:44.36 | tekkub | oh now hail |
| 23:45.08 | Thunder_Child | yet you still got that song stuck in my head |
| 23:45.21 | Thunder_Child | you're as bad as Cairenn|afk |
| 23:46.44 | tekkub | and it's gone |
| 23:46.51 | tekkub | I hate CO's ADD weather |
| 23:50.30 | Yttrium | It still doesn't work D: |
| 23:56.38 | foxlit | Fun: "twitpocalypse" |
| 23:58.08 | Thunder_Child | saw that |