| 00:00.52 | Cide | and it shall be awesome |
| 00:01.10 | Thunder_Child | link it up then? |
| 00:02.18 | Cide | if only it was that simple! |
| 00:02.59 | Thunder_Child | well a website no matter how awesome is going to suck w/o an ip/url |
| 00:03.31 | Cide | it's not quite ready for alpha testing |
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| 00:05.37 | Lunessa | http://feliciaday.com/blog |
| 00:06.02 | Cide | no... that's not it |
| 00:06.33 | Lunessa | "RickAstley will give you up for Felicia Day." |
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| 00:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well, would you blame him? |
| 00:26.07 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: No, I'd dump lots of chicas for Felicia Day. I'm a bastard like that. |
| 00:26.23 | NightHawkTheSane | s/like that.//, but yes, agreed ;) |
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| 00:40.20 | Nechckn | I'm still using CTBuffs, just because it works. Does anyone have experience with it, compared to ElkBB? |
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| 00:40.56 | Cide | it's better |
| 00:40.57 | Nechckn | I'm a big Elk fan, so would like to change over, but was wondering if anyone knows if it's more efficient, et cetera |
| 00:41.05 | Cide | it's not more efficient |
| 00:41.13 | Cide | ct_buffmod is probably the most efficient buff mod |
| 00:41.48 | Nechckn | lol... gotcha. I do appreciate it, Cide. Even with being "old" CT still has some features others don't. |
| 00:41.58 | Nechckn | As far as the core and what I've been able to find =) |
| 00:42.07 | Cide | oh, I don't really care |
| 00:42.12 | Cide | but ct_buffmod is very efficient |
| 00:42.39 | Nechckn | gotcha - and it does work and all, just have been seeing a big move to EBB, so was curious. |
| 00:43.07 | Cide | shrugs |
| 00:43.11 | Cide | it doesn't do everything |
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| 00:50.04 | airtonix | whats the point of elkbuffs? |
| 00:50.20 | airtonix | apart from showing buffs as bars rather than radar sweep icons? |
| 00:52.34 | NeoTron | nothing? |
| 00:52.36 | Nechckn | That's about it, really |
| 00:53.14 | Nechckn | for some things, it's a bit better to see the bar counting down, than the small icon. |
| 00:54.54 | mikma | is there any way of getting the english name of Wintergrasp -zone in non-enGB clients? |
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| 01:09.02 | tlund | can someone recommend an addon to replace SanityInventory (Sanity2)? I use it to see in tooltips what other characters has the item, and even use it cross-account by copying the SavedVariables back and forth between the accounts. |
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| 01:14.12 | mikma | hah, hack++, SetMapZoom(4,10); local wintergrasp = WorldMapZoneDropDownText:GetText() |
| 01:22.39 | tlund | mikma: it just gives the local zone name for me |
| 01:25.45 | mikma | tlund: do you have non enGB |
| 01:26.58 | Lunessa | tlund: Baganon has a module for that. |
| 01:36.27 | Mikk | amazon: "World of Warcraft 60 Day Pre-paid Game Card (PC/Mac) (2005) (Windows XP)": "13 Used & new from £15.99" |
| 01:36.34 | Mikk | YES YES I REALLY WANT A USED CARD :P |
| 01:38.36 | Corrodias | hell yes. |
| 01:39.17 | Nechckn | Mikk Just as long as they are completely used... that's the only type I'd want- those with 0 hours remaining. |
| 01:39.28 | Nechckn | And only 16 pounds, too!! |
| 01:45.08 | Mikk | mikma: what the hell are you asking... "What's the name of Wintergrasp in English?" well you don't need an API for that, I can tell you the answer right away: "Wintergrasp" |
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| 01:47.49 | Corrodias | yeah, stoopit |
| 01:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, anyone who knows java decently well |
| 01:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | How would I init a Hashtable<String, Hashtable<String, Object>> correctly? |
| 01:49.14 | mikma | mikk: non english |
| 01:49.17 | mikma | mikk: l2read |
| 01:49.39 | mikma | mikk: reminder: <0354> <mikma> is there any way of getting the english name of Wintergrasp -zone in non-enGB clients? |
| 01:50.00 | Corrodias | i take it "new Hashtable<String, Hashtable<String, Object>>()" doesn't work? |
| 01:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, it does |
| 01:50.14 | Corrodias | :D |
| 01:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But whenever I .put() |
| 01:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It does... nothing, silently |
| 01:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No entry is added |
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| 01:50.37 | Corrodias | hmm. >_> that's a little weird |
| 01:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Little? ;) |
| 01:50.51 | mikma | mikk: cause, in lederhosen-language Wintergrasp is Tausendwinter ^^ and if i check for Wintergrasp -text, ass and fail |
| 01:51.18 | Lunessa | FAIL! QQ |
| 01:51.21 | Corrodias | not familiar with that issue, i'm afraid. sorry. |
| 01:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | In short, I have a set of K, V pairs that I need to index by a second K |
| 01:52.04 | Corrodias | if they're strings, could you use some combination of the two strings as your key? |
| 01:52.07 | Wobin | mikma: can't you check for zone id or something? |
| 01:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Kindex = V<Kdata, Vdata> |
| 01:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | The indexes are strings |
| 01:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The data is a variable type |
| 01:52.50 | Corrodias | K1 + "loldelimiter" + K2 like |
| 01:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | hm |
| 01:52.51 | Corrodias | not that it explains the bizarre behavior |
| 01:52.57 | mikma | wobin: well, tell me how? :) |
| 01:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No but that, at a minimum, is an awesome idea to get it working |
| 01:53.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke prod |
| 01:53.24 | Corrodias | :D |
| 01:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | boo he isn't there |
| 01:54.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing that gets me is how it /silently/ does /nothing at all/ |
| 01:55.16 | Wobin | ugh |
| 01:55.20 | Wobin | $75 callout fee |
| 01:55.30 | Wobin | + $12 per 15/min |
| 01:55.37 | Wobin | + parts |
| 01:55.40 | Corrodias | that gets me too |
| 01:55.42 | Wobin | this will be expensive |
| 01:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't even complicated code :( |
| 01:58.01 | Mikk | mikma: how about you check the integer numbers of the zone you're currently in then? |
| 01:58.01 | Mikk | like oh 4,10? |
| 01:58.13 | mikma | mikk: problem is i am not in the zone :) |
| 01:58.16 | Corrodias | i could take a peek at it, for what that would be worth |
| 01:58.38 | mikma | mikk: now i'm using this: local wintergrasp = select(10,GetMapZones(GetCurrentMapContinent())) |
| 01:58.47 | mikma | hope nr.10 is Wintergrasp in all locales ;D |
| 01:59.05 | Mikk | it is. and you want to hardcode the continent too |
| 01:59.14 | Mikk | unless you veryify that you're in northrend first |
| 01:59.23 | mikma | if GetCurrentMapContinent() == 4 then local wintergrasp = select(10,GetMapZones(GetCurrentMapContinent())) foo foo foo end |
| 01:59.44 | Mikk | wintergrasp = select(10,GetMapZones(4)) |
| 01:59.47 | Mikk | wins |
| 01:59.58 | mikma | .. you win |
| 02:00.21 | mikma | "Do not mess with the Mikk." -mikma |
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| 02:02.36 | Wobin | ick |
| 02:02.43 | Wobin | sorry, $24 per 15/min |
| 02:02.43 | Thunder_Child | agreed Wobin |
| 02:03.04 | Wobin | man, I should become a stove repairman with that sort of money |
| 02:05.34 | Thunder_Child | i'd love to see that |
| 02:07.48 | Kraps | how are warlocks killing me so fast? |
| 02:07.57 | Mikk | chaos bolt + conflag |
| 02:07.59 | Mikk | you die |
| 02:08.18 | airtonix | login = you die |
| 02:08.20 | Mikk | but it's fine, it'll all balance when we get more resilience at 80 |
| 02:08.24 | Mikk | blizzard said so |
| 02:08.25 | Kraps | its quicker than rogues even |
| 02:08.58 | Thunder_Child | but rogues kill *everything* |
| 02:09.17 | Mikk | rogues are more frustrating though |
| 02:09.28 | Mikk | with a warlock it's just ... full health.. full health... full health.. you're dead |
| 02:09.43 | Thunder_Child | as a priest i can deal with that |
| 02:09.44 | Mikk | you don't even have time to get annoyed |
| 02:10.45 | Kraps | chaos bolt 8000+ |
| 02:10.48 | Kraps | damn |
| 02:12.24 | Gnarfoz | anyone know how I can print() backwards in perl? |
| 02:12.38 | Gnarfoz | i.e. stay at the same position and clobber what's there |
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| 02:12.44 | Gnarfoz | or rather, go back one and do that |
| 02:14.28 | tlund | mikma: no, i play the english eu client |
| 02:18.48 | End | pfff |
| 02:21.02 | Thunder_Child | ~lart End |
| 02:21.02 | purl | stuffs End into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 02:21.02 | Thunder_Child | purl? |
| 02:21.11 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 02:21.11 | purl | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 02:21.17 | End | ~botslow |
| 02:21.31 | Thunder_Child | ~slowbot |
| 02:21.33 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 02:21.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lag |
| 02:22.00 | purl | from memory, lag is very bad here :( |
| 02:22.16 | Cide | ~pong |
| 02:22.17 | purl | ~ping |
| 02:22.20 | Cide | hot. |
| 02:22.23 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_060909_050127.jpg :D |
| 02:24.48 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_060909_052411.jpg |
| 02:24.51 | mikma | now with icons, lal! |
| 02:25.00 | Thunder_Child | now make it for fubar |
| 02:25.14 | mikma | don't need to |
| 02:25.20 | mikma | f2ldb, go. |
| 02:25.26 | Thunder_Child | isnt it iffy? |
| 02:25.27 | mikma | ldb2f* |
| 02:25.38 | mikma | it is, until the nutsack ckknight manages to recode fubar |
| 02:25.48 | ckknight | I'm not a nutsack |
| 02:25.50 | ckknight | I'm a people |
| 02:25.53 | Wobin | mikma: You should have it supress the yells |
| 02:27.22 | Mikk | And find out the format that similar addons use to communicate timers to the guild |
| 02:27.23 | mikma | wobin: well, i think i could see how other people do it. i've never got annoyed of the yells tho |
| 02:27.28 | Mikk | And send your own if appropriate |
| 02:27.35 | mikma | mikk: on it atm! |
| 02:27.40 | Mikk | And receive of course |
| 02:27.45 | Gnarfoz | mikma: Arrow wanted to recode it, I thought :P |
| 02:27.48 | Mikk | Or just use theirs :> |
| 02:27.53 | mikma | this will support WintergraspTimer, WintergraspTimerLight, and Capping |
| 02:28.31 | mikma | not sure will i support Wintergrasp Advanced, it uses global channel :P |
| 02:31.03 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, where is the cart suggestion page again? |
| 02:31.20 | ckknight | @postaticket Thunder_Child cartographer |
| 02:31.21 | Repo | ckknight: Please submit a ticket at http://beta.wowace.com/projects/cartographer/create-ticket/ for that request, Thunder_Child. |
| 02:31.24 | Thunder_Child | ty ckknight |
| 02:32.43 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 02:36.18 | Thunder_Child | oh hell... ckknight, can you move that to cart3 |
| 02:36.46 | Thunder_Child | i forgot you cant read my mind |
| 02:38.05 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 02:38.38 | ckknight | :P |
| 02:38.40 | ckknight | I can move it |
| 02:38.42 | Thunder_Child | @postaticket pitbull |
| 02:38.44 | Repo | Thunder_Child: (postaticket <username> followed by <project> or <game>/<project>) -- Tell a user to post a ticket |
| 02:38.51 | Thunder_Child | should be pitbull...my brain hurts |
| 02:39.02 | Thunder_Child | @postaticket Thunder_Child pitbull |
| 02:39.03 | Repo | Thunder_Child: No project found that matches 'pitbull' |
| 02:39.20 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 02:39.26 | End | @postaticket Thunder_Child pitbull4 |
| 02:39.27 | Repo | End: Please submit a ticket at http://beta.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/create-ticket/ for that request, Thunder_Child. |
| 02:39.31 | Thunder_Child | right, thanks |
| 02:39.38 | Thunder_Child | i seem to be rather slow today |
| 02:40.07 | End | maybe you're looking for pitbull3, I don't know :P |
| 02:40.32 | Thunder_Child | nope, 4 is what i want |
| 02:41.55 | Wobin | Not sure why repobot needs the username? |
| 02:41.58 | Wobin | wouldn't it be better to phrase the response to "To post a ticket to <projectname> please go to <url>"? |
| 02:42.32 | End | it's weird combined with the name at the beginning |
| 02:42.41 | End | it's like person: blah blah, anotherperson |
| 02:42.52 | Wobin | It doesn't -really- need the personalisation |
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| 02:45.00 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5283559/beanzawave-usb+powered-beans-microwave-is-what-usb-was-created-for |
| 02:47.32 | Koren | Oh my god. That's the pinnacle of technology. |
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| 02:53.16 | Thunder_Child | whats a decent /played to get to 80? |
| 02:53.31 | End | less than 9000 |
| 02:53.34 | End | oh wait |
| 02:53.36 | Thunder_Child | ~lart End |
| 02:53.36 | purl | hauls End up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 02:53.37 | End | that's overused |
| 02:54.44 | End | I already waddle |
| 02:54.48 | End | I'm too fat |
| 02:55.55 | NightHawkTheSane | End: if you give me like 20m, i'll check my hunter.. |
| 02:56.14 | End | TC asked, not me! |
| 02:56.15 | NightHawkTheSane | and by "End:" i meant "Thunder_Child:" |
| 02:56.30 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry, i'm healing ulduar at the same time :) |
| 02:57.09 | Thunder_Child | how is that going to tell me a decent time to 80? |
| 02:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | because my hunter's a fairly recent 80? |
| 02:57.45 | End | I'm yelling at healers in ulduar, does that count? |
| 02:57.57 | NightHawkTheSane | and i started him post 3.0 |
| 02:58.08 | Thunder_Child | i guess it depends if you idle him a lot or not |
| 02:58.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't really |
| 02:58.46 | NightHawkTheSane | most of my idling is on my main |
| 03:00.41 | End | one of our healers got stuck outside the wall thingy in mimi |
| 03:00.43 | End | when we pulled |
| 03:00.44 | End | >:( |
| 03:00.58 | Thunder_Child | mimi = mimron? |
| 03:01.11 | End | yer |
| 03:01.20 | Thunder_Child | *shudder* horrible nickname |
| 03:01.25 | End | his name is mimiron |
| 03:01.36 | End | although |
| 03:01.47 | End | that'd be a fitting nick name for xt |
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| 03:16.59 | Thunder_Child | why exactly did blizz decide that it would be a good idea to have a zone with no FP/Inn/Mailbox? |
| 03:18.07 | Shirik|Ghost | ok... seriously? |
| 03:18.14 | Shirik|Ghost | I close a bug report as "duplicate" |
| 03:18.28 | Shirik|Ghost | two days later, 'I had filed a ticket on an "Internal error" I was getting when I tried to update SCT - Cooldowns, the ticket was closed, but I'm still getting the error. The log.txt is enclosed.' |
| 03:18.38 | Shirik|Ghost | new report _- |
| 03:18.39 | Shirik|Ghost | -_- |
| 03:21.50 | tekkub | that's where you just start closing it as dup and not even reading it |
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| 03:33.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ghost: you need a closing category named "user idiocy" and start closing them as that :P |
| 03:36.52 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.14 | Wobin | David Carradine... killed by ninjas - http://www.nypost.com/seven/06072009/news/regionalnews/whacky_kung_fu_172948.htm |
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| 03:42.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: I've got ~8 days played to 80 on my hunter. |
| 03:43.31 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, ok, i have 2d 14 h on my 45 pally so i was curious |
| 03:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | my 39 warrior has something like 1 day 9ish hours *shrug* |
| 03:45.28 | Shirik|Ghost | I think I pulled a hammy :( |
| 03:46.58 | Shirik|Ghost | tekkub: ping |
| 03:47.08 | tekkub | ow |
| 03:47.23 | Shirik|Ghost | did you post a bug report? I forget |
| 03:47.49 | Shirik|Ghost | it was a t-person |
| 03:48.48 | Thunder_Child | t-dog |
| 03:49.23 | Shirik|Ghost | it was tardmrr |
| 03:49.57 | tardmrr | Shirik|Ghost, you need to edit that bug's subject to get rid of the fucking typo |
| 03:50.00 | tardmrr | it's driving me crazy |
| 03:50.02 | Shirik|Ghost | ok I will |
| 03:50.06 | Shirik|Ghost | in return you will do something for me |
| 03:50.49 | Shirik|Ghost | !g port 443 |
| 03:50.49 | batbot | Shirik|Ghost: GRC | Port Authority, for Internet Port 443 <http://www.grc.com/port_443.htm> |
| 03:52.28 | Shirik|Ghost | ok tardmrr |
| 03:52.32 | Shirik|Ghost | I removed your typo |
| 03:52.39 | Shirik|Ghost | now follow feedback requests at http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=196 |
| 04:00.49 | Shirik|Ghost | Thunder_Child: ping |
| 04:02.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, pong? |
| 04:02.30 | Shirik|Ghost | Any thoughts on Nikon, or specifically the D700? |
| 04:02.53 | Shirik|Ghost | I posted to the photography mailing list at work today, and someone pointed out that camera as a competitor to the 5D Mk II |
| 04:03.14 | kd3 | grr |
| 04:03.15 | Thunder_Child | 1 sec ,arena |
| 04:03.18 | Shirik|Ghost | saying that I will be overwhelmingly satisfied with the 5D, but that I should check out the D700 "before pulling the trigger" |
| 04:03.25 | kd3 | wtb f11 GA so I can get updates again |
| 04:03.38 | Shirik|Ghost | ? |
| 04:04.00 | kd3 | fedora 11 releases in ~12 hours or so. all of the mirrors for it are locked until that happens. |
| 04:04.11 | kd3 | this happens to break updates for people already running f11 |
| 04:04.57 | kd3 | s/locked/returning 403s/ |
| 04:05.17 | Shirik|Ghost | they do that to sync or something |
| 04:05.17 | Shirik|Ghost | ? |
| 04:05.25 | kd3 | pretty much |
| 04:07.46 | kd3 | that and to make sure that the 1 mirror that isn't locked down until GA doesn't get DDoSed off the net |
| 04:09.16 | ScytheBlade1 | wow I hate working with XML/DOM in Java |
| 04:09.59 | Shirik|Ghost | Why? |
| 04:10.03 | Shirik|Ghost | SAX is actually pretty good |
| 04:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | amgiguity |
| 04:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *ambiguity |
| 04:10.23 | Shirik|Ghost | I use XML all over the place in Minion |
| 04:10.36 | Shirik|Ghost | and it's pretty solid |
| 04:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You also devoted a good thousand lines to getting it working |
| 04:10.42 | Shirik|Ghost | I haven't heard of any configuration issues |
| 04:10.45 | Shirik|Ghost | not really |
| 04:10.53 | Shirik|Ghost | it's mostly boilerplate which is generated by netbeans for me |
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| 04:24.58 | Shirik|Ghost | krka: ping |
| 04:33.02 | Shirik|Ghost | Ok, wikipedia fails |
| 04:33.27 | krka | pong |
| 04:33.32 | Shirik|Ghost | Shell sort: Best-case performance O(n), Worst-case performance: depends |
| 04:33.37 | Shirik|Ghost | how the hell can it be "depends" it's a worst case |
| 04:34.00 | Shirik|Ghost | krka: I was curious, is kahlua a port (i.e., translated from C to Java) or did you re-implement things |
| 04:35.38 | krka | reimplement mostly |
| 04:38.39 | krka | the wikipedia page explains why it depends |
| 04:38.54 | krka | basically different choices of gap size affect the performance |
| 04:39.51 | Shirik|Ghost | I still believe it should not be "depends" |
| 04:40.00 | Shirik|Ghost | it should be possible to compute it, with an additional variable in there |
| 04:40.32 | krka | did you read the entire page? |
| 04:40.49 | Shirik|Ghost | I"m reading the parts where they discuss it |
| 04:41.48 | Shirik|Ghost | obviously it's possible to prove the worst case for a given gap sequence |
| 04:42.14 | Shirik|Ghost | There must be a way to abstract it |
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| 04:58.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, did you look at http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos5dmkii%2Cnikon_d700&show=all ? |
| 05:00.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, going down the list the canon looks juicer |
| 05:01.03 | Thunder_Child | the only thing the nikon seems to do better is the exposure comp and continuous drive |
| 05:05.07 | Shirik|Ghost | You know I'm seeing that myself |
| 05:05.13 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm trying to figure out why the D700 is $500 more |
| 05:05.18 | Shirik|Ghost | and all I can see is 5 fps vs 3.9 |
| 05:05.25 | Shirik|Ghost | and the mkII has 22 mpx also |
| 05:05.34 | Shirik|Ghost | AND 1080i recording |
| 05:05.42 | Shirik|Ghost | what is the D700 doing that's making it more expensive |
| 05:06.05 | Thunder_Child | and the exposure comp...but i doubt thats worth $500 |
| 05:06.06 | Shirik|Ghost | note: I probably wouldn't use the video recording honestly, so that's a null contributor to me, but it's there anyway |
| 05:06.16 | Shirik|Ghost | oh the d700's is better? |
| 05:06.36 | Thunder_Child | ya, max high/low |
| 05:06.37 | Shirik|Ghost | +/- 5EV |
| 05:06.39 | Thunder_Child | is better |
| 05:07.15 | Thunder_Child | uhh Shirik|Ghost....the nikon is $300 cheaper |
| 05:07.20 | Shirik|Ghost | it is? |
| 05:07.24 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm seeing $2999 |
| 05:07.26 | Thunder_Child | look at the top |
| 05:07.32 | Thunder_Child | 2299 |
| 05:07.42 | Shirik|Ghost | http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-SLR/25444/D700.html ? |
| 05:07.56 | Thunder_Child | screw msrp |
| 05:08.05 | Shirik|Ghost | I didn't look at retailers |
| 05:08.43 | Shirik|Ghost | Though I do have to admit, the 5d2's exposure compensation only being +/- 2EV is kinda limited |
| 05:08.52 | Thunder_Child | well the nikon came out first and i doubt they care about competitivenes since the camera come out fast enough |
| 05:08.53 | Shirik|Ghost | but at the same time I don't think I've ever gone beyond maybe 1.5 stops |
| 05:09.01 | Thunder_Child | cameras* |
| 05:09.17 | Shirik|Ghost | and if it gets really bad, I can always go full manual |
| 05:09.25 | Shirik|Ghost | it's not like it's going to stop me from shooting at -3EV or something |
| 05:09.37 | Shirik|Ghost | it'll just yell at me for being off the scale or something |
| 05:09.52 | Thunder_Child | you cant |
| 05:09.57 | Shirik|Ghost | you can't shoot off the scale? |
| 05:09.59 | Thunder_Child | the slider only goes to whatever |
| 05:10.03 | Thunder_Child | it's digital |
| 05:10.19 | Shirik|Ghost | ok so let's say it's metered at f/4 1/200 |
| 05:10.24 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FWGPlus%2F#_WGPlus_ |
| 05:10.34 | Shirik|Ghost | 1/100 would be +1EV, 1/50 would be +2EV, 1/25 would be +3EV |
| 05:10.42 | mikma | theres my new wg timer that syncs with... 4 different addons |
| 05:10.45 | Shirik|Ghost | if I put it into full manual, set it to f/4 and 1/25 |
| 05:10.49 | Shirik|Ghost | it's not going to let me shoot? |
| 05:11.41 | Thunder_Child | on my camera that puts mine to just under 1 ev |
| 05:11.57 | Shirik|Ghost | the important part was "it's metered at f/4 1/200" |
| 05:12.16 | Thunder_Child | oh...you said 1/25 |
| 05:12.30 | Shirik|Ghost | ok here's what I mean |
| 05:12.41 | Thunder_Child | yes it will still let you shoot |
| 05:12.43 | Shirik|Ghost | let's say I go into aperture priority mode and set f/4, it comes up with a shutter speed of 1/200 |
| 05:12.46 | Thunder_Child | nor will it yell at you |
| 05:12.54 | Shirik|Ghost | I go into manual mode and instead choose f/4 and 1/25 |
| 05:12.59 | Shirik|Ghost | that would be +3EV |
| 05:13.30 | Shirik|Ghost | the EV should be off the scale, but it should still let me shoot |
| 05:13.37 | Shirik|Ghost | so that's a worst-case scenario workaround, not a big deal |
| 05:13.53 | Shirik|Ghost | just automatic metering can only be done at +/-2EV |
| 05:14.33 | Thunder_Child | correct |
| 05:14.34 | Shirik|Ghost | also, can I just say "wtf" at 1/8000 sec? |
| 05:14.42 | Thunder_Child | i dont use metering |
| 05:14.49 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 05:14.52 | Shirik|Ghost | My current camera can only do 1/2000 sec :( |
| 05:14.56 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 05:15.00 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 05:15.24 | Shirik|Ghost | you don't use metering? |
| 05:15.27 | Shirik|Ghost | What do you do |
| 05:15.58 | Thunder_Child | auto usualy, since the things i take pictures of do not stand still |
| 05:16.01 | Thunder_Child | usualy |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik|Ghost | ah |
| 05:16.36 | Shirik|Ghost | I tend to take landscapes and nature shots :) |
| 05:16.41 | Shirik|Ghost | lots of time to set up a picture |
| 05:16.46 | Thunder_Child | i have done manual on moving things but it's a stone bitch |
| 05:16.53 | Shirik|Ghost | (22:15:52) (Thunder_Child) auto usualy, since the things i take pictures of do not stand still |
| 05:16.55 | Shirik|Ghost | like Cairenn |
| 05:17.00 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 05:17.13 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:17.16 | Thunder_Child | damn woman is always blury |
| 05:17.28 | Shirik|Ghost | 1/8000 will fix that |
| 05:17.44 | Thunder_Child | even nature shots i tend to do auto A. i am lazy B. PS is wonderful |
| 05:17.45 | Cairenn | stop trying to take pictures of me then you won't have the problem any more |
| 05:17.48 | Cairenn | simple |
| 05:17.59 | Thunder_Child | hey, it only happens on 2-3 days a year |
| 05:18.07 | Cairenn | thank goodness |
| 05:18.07 | Shirik|Ghost | might as well be an adventure |
| 05:18.18 | Thunder_Child | we take pictures of bullets to practace |
| 05:18.30 | Thunder_Child | practice (sp?) |
| 05:18.31 | batbot | Thunder_Child, practice is correct. |
| 05:19.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:20.09 | Shirik|Ghost | so supposedly I get internets tomorrow! |
| 05:20.19 | Shirik|Ghost | If I don't I'm going to hurt someone |
| 05:21.32 | Thunder_Child | if i end up at blizzcon this year i want time on your camera Shirik|Ghost |
| 05:21.39 | Shirik|Ghost | I won't be there |
| 05:21.44 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 05:21.49 | Shirik|Ghost | sorry :( |
| 05:21.52 | Shirik|Ghost | it's Cairenn's fault |
| 05:22.07 | Shirik|Ghost | no, really, my school actually needs me right when Blizzcon is going on |
| 05:22.20 | Cairenn | yeah :( |
| 05:22.21 | Shirik|Ghost | and I can't go back on that because that means I have to start actually paying for my education |
| 05:22.25 | Shirik|Ghost | which is not fun :P |
| 05:26.28 | Shirik|Ghost | First I get cold and hot; think I'm on fire, but I'm not |
| 05:26.35 | Shirik|Ghost | oh what a pain I've got; it must be love |
| 05:27.52 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, ping |
| 05:28.05 | Shirik|Ghost | don't anger the chicken |
| 05:28.19 | Thunder_Child | piffle |
| 05:28.20 | Shirik|Ghost | anyway, thanks Thunder_Child |
| 05:28.27 | Thunder_Child | np Shirik|Ghost ^_^ |
| 05:28.40 | Shirik|Ghost | I just found out one of my coworkers has a 5d2 |
| 05:28.46 | Shirik|Ghost | sooo |
| 05:28.49 | Thunder_Child | take it for a testdrive |
| 05:28.56 | Shirik|Ghost | but he actually has a 28-104mm f/2.8L |
| 05:28.59 | Shirik|Ghost | which is kinda insane |
| 05:29.13 | Shirik|Ghost | Here's the interesting part |
| 05:29.28 | Shirik|Ghost | he says he's seen the vignetting issue too, BUT Canon just released a firmware update over the weekend that supposedly fixes it |
| 05:29.37 | Shirik|Ghost | so he's going to test it out and see how it does |
| 05:30.10 | Shirik|Ghost | apparently the edge illumination (vignetting correction) wasn't working the way it should, I guess |
| 05:30.23 | Thunder_Child | if i understand it correctly the only thing the software can change is altering it within the camera...vs doing it on the computer |
| 05:30.30 | Shirik|Ghost | right |
| 05:30.32 | Thunder_Child | which it can already do |
| 05:30.35 | Shirik|Ghost | I totally understand that it's a correction |
| 05:30.52 | Thunder_Child | so it saves you a 30sec step? |
| 05:30.54 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 05:31.01 | Shirik|Ghost | lacks a good photo editing tool :( |
| 05:31.30 | Thunder_Child | canon gives you one for correcting vingetting automaticly since it has a DB of lenses |
| 05:31.38 | Shirik|Ghost | he also said it wasn't noticable beyond f/8 (unfortunately I tend to take shots with a high speed aperture) |
| 05:31.40 | Thunder_Child | and it comes with a decent one |
| 05:32.03 | Shirik|Ghost | but can't the camera do better since it knows what lens was used? |
| 05:32.07 | Shirik|Ghost | Or is that some metainformation stored |
| 05:32.09 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 05:32.17 | Shirik|Ghost | uh, yep to what |
| 05:32.30 | Thunder_Child | the camera detects the lens then imputs it into the metadata |
| 05:32.39 | Shirik|Ghost | this whole metadata is new to me |
| 05:32.46 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm used to keeping a log book :) |
| 05:33.05 | Shirik|Ghost | write down roll number, exposure number, focal length, aperture selection, shutter speed, EV, ISO |
| 05:33.22 | Shirik|Ghost | none of your newfangled automated systems |
| 05:33.26 | Shirik|Ghost | "back in my day, boy!" |
| 05:34.52 | Thunder_Child | ya ya i know, you had to develop it yourself by dooing it in the dead of night...etc. etc. etc. |
| 05:34.58 | Shirik|Ghost | lol |
| 05:37.22 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ghost, i lied...it may not be able to put it into the metadata automaticly |
| 05:37.52 | Thunder_Child | nvm, it has space on the metadata for it |
| 05:41.02 | Shirik|Ghost | ~ping |
| 05:41.23 | purl | ~pong |
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| 05:58.32 | Torhal | I'd make Cairenn giggle, but I can't think of a reason to update Volumizer. |
| 05:58.42 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 06:01.27 | Cairenn | is scared to find out what Torhal is planning |
| 06:01.43 | airtonix | corridor! you were lucky, we had to huddle together in the corner of a half wrecked house... |
| 06:01.58 | Torhal | Nothing. Like I said, I can't think of a reason to update it. At least, I haven't gotten any requests. |
| 06:02.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:02.55 | Cairenn | just wondering why you think (whatever) would make me giggle - that's the part I'm worried about |
| 06:03.38 | Torhal | You said every time you had to approve that addon it made you giggle. |
| 06:04.22 | Cairenn | oh, that one, yeah |
| 06:04.33 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:12.26 | Wobin | why? |
| 06:12.42 | Wobin | aside from the addon sounding like a hair product |
| 06:12.52 | Torhal | That's exactly why. |
| 06:12.53 | Cairenn | that's why |
| 06:12.56 | Cairenn | it makes me giggle |
| 06:12.56 | Wobin | hehe |
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| 07:12.27 | Cide | ... was the right thing to continue with |
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| 09:22.22 | Arrowmaster | i really need a UPS |
| 09:23.01 | Arrowmaster | power went out from storm like 20 minutes ago |
| 09:23.17 | Fisker- | cuts Arrowmaster |
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| 09:49.23 | Eustaquio | hi |
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| 10:01.48 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: Except UPSes tend to be a nice source of power-outs on their own. Unless you use dual ones and give them plenty of TLC regularly :< |
| 10:02.06 | Mikk | (Unless you live in an area where outages are very common, I guess) |
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| 10:24.19 | Adys | Anyone knows a decent way of fixing a wireless mouse which makes the cursor shake constantly? |
| 10:25.09 | `-FISKER_Q | Is it an optical mouse? |
| 10:25.15 | Adys | laser |
| 10:25.32 | `-FISKER_Q | Well sometimes it can be shaking if something is interfering with the laser |
| 10:25.47 | Adys | it shakes even if I leave it up in the air |
| 10:26.11 | `-FISKER_Q | ah ok |
| 10:26.19 | Adys | its gone again now, but happening regularly recently |
| 10:38.23 | Wobin | damn |
| 10:38.27 | Wobin | auth lockout =( |
| 10:51.49 | smoke_ | Adys, i had a similar problem with my razerlachesis mouse |
| 10:52.07 | Adys | all optical mice get that after a while |
| 10:52.09 | smoke_ | the sensetivity was really high, and my xbox was making some sort of slight vibration causing it to jitter |
| 10:52.11 | Adys | but dunno how to fix |
| 10:52.38 | smoke_ | i got a better padddeed mouse pad, and make sure my xbox is off and its pretty good now heh |
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| 11:07.49 | Adys | Anyone with windows got 5 mins? |
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| 11:18.56 | Adys | windows 32 bit, at that |
| 11:26.09 | Aelobin | any idea when the wow music PlayMusic() is fired upon entering the world? |
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| 11:32.34 | Adys | Aelobin: ZONE_CHANGED |
| 11:32.42 | Adys | or something like that |
| 11:32.42 | Aelobin | ty Adys |
| 11:36.01 | Aelobin | hmm the world music is still overwriting my music i think |
| 11:39.27 | Aelobin | hmm i guess i could just replace PlayMusic with a blank function until my addon goes to play music :P |
| 11:42.52 | Aelobin | actually that did nothing |
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| 11:44.37 | Mikk | No, the music playing is done inside the client, not from Lua |
| 11:45.33 | Mikk | And beware remapping global functions. It taints Blizzard code, and, in your case, you might end up with something funky like two addons doing the same thing and one of them remembering (and later, restoring) your dummy function. |
| 11:46.13 | Aelobin | yeh i know about taint :P |
| 11:46.35 | Adys | Mikk: it still fires on ZONE_CHANGED |
| 11:46.38 | Aelobin | problem im having is the my addon starts playing its music but then the blizz music starts after (overwriting my music) |
| 11:46.54 | Aelobin | tried hooking zone changed instead but it wont work :< |
| 11:47.17 | Arrowmaster | that cant be fixed |
| 11:47.26 | Aelobin | why? =o |
| 11:47.27 | Mikk | Well, react on ZONE_CHANGED, and :Show() a frame with an OnUpdate that plays the music and then hides itself? |
| 11:47.43 | Aelobin | hmm yeh |
| 11:47.46 | Aelobin | might work :P |
| 11:48.19 | Arrowmaster | the only possible thing you can do is try and find a delay that is long enough that it always triggers after the bliz music starts |
| 11:48.20 | Mikk | I'm remembering some funkiness from writing my airwolf addon though. *thinks* |
| 11:48.31 | Adys | does bugzilla have a rss? |
| 11:49.33 | airtonix | [insert comment about something] |
| 11:50.22 | Mikk | Ah, no, I'm remembering having to enable music & set it to a sane volume (= sound effects volume) if it wasn't already enabled |
| 11:50.42 | Mikk | And then disable when I was done playing myself |
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| 11:51.55 | Aelobin | i can do PvPMusic.Play() fine :P (my addon function) |
| 11:52.02 | Aelobin | tis just blizz overwriting it - adding the delay atm tho |
| 11:53.00 | Mikk | They'll still screw you over if you run into a cave or whatnot but.. yeah |
| 11:55.34 | Aelobin | lol i got it working xD |
| 11:55.42 | Aelobin | delayed it 5 seconds from PEW |
| 11:56.07 | Aelobin | 2 seconds works too xD |
| 11:56.38 | Aelobin | so is the blizz music played every zone change? |
| 11:56.45 | Aelobin | even if it doesnt bring up a loading screen |
| 12:04.36 | Aelobin | hmm i just flew from SW to booty bay and the sound didnt stop |
| 12:04.40 | Aelobin | it's been playing since PEW |
| 12:16.23 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/clown.jpg :D |
| 12:16.46 | mikma | yes, it's CaH |
| 12:19.19 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13753-eXtremeUnitButtonsv1.9beta.html ... HAHAHA |
| 12:19.23 | mikma | cairenn owns |
| 12:25.01 | haste | I don't get it mikma |
| 12:26.24 | mikma | haste: he uploaded a new addon every time he released a new version |
| 12:26.42 | haste | lol |
| 12:36.20 | Aelobin | arrrgh this is annoying |
| 12:37.44 | Aelobin | music stops whenever i die too |
| 12:37.48 | Aelobin | due to the death music |
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| 12:51.11 | Adys | PYTHON WINS SO MUCH OMG ITS SICK. |
| 12:51.14 | Adys | urlkeys[type].objects.filter(**zip(navstr.split("/"), names)) |
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| 12:52.34 | Fisker- | ok |
| 13:03.55 | Grum | and they say perl is linenoise |
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| 13:06.03 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: cheers! |
| 13:06.05 | zenzio | ... |
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| 13:07.41 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: cheers! |
| 13:07.46 | Eustaquio | xD |
| 13:07.51 | Eustaquio | hi zenzelezz |
| 13:07.56 | Eustaquio | zenzio :P |
| 13:07.56 | Lopeppeppy | Did you get my note last night, zenzelezz? |
| 13:08.08 | zenzio | Eustaquio: they're both me |
| 13:08.11 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: yup! |
| 13:08.18 | Eustaquio | ah oki ^^ |
| 13:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent. Have fun with it. |
| 13:08.46 | zenzio | my coworkers all laugh at me when I tell them of last night's... experiment |
| 13:09.27 | Lopeppeppy | Did it turn out poorly? |
| 13:09.51 | zenzio | it was as you said edible. Didn't taste a whole lot, but at least it didn't taste like macaroni... so it worked |
| 13:10.32 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, not too bad. Cheddar really adds the flavor, ya know. :) |
| 13:11.05 | zenzio | but I couldn't find cheddar :( Mozarella seemed like a good alternative, it's also cheese |
| 13:11.19 | Lopeppeppy | Look harder next time. *poke* It's there, I promise, somewhere. |
| 13:11.36 | zenzio | I'll have to google it first so I know what it looks like |
| 13:12.12 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like... cheese... It comes in all shades from cream to dark yellow. |
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| 13:17.24 | Wobin | oh god O.O |
| 13:17.25 | Wobin | http://www.digyourowngrave.com/cheeseburger-in-a-can/ |
| 13:18.01 | Wobin | Mozarella is pretty bland compared to cheddar |
| 13:18.08 | Wobin | but infinitely more entertaining as a cheese |
| 13:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, that's a very old cheeseburger product, did you not know it existed? |
| 13:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yeah, giant damn spider in my bathroom this morning, legspan about 2 inches... I have done murder, and it was good. |
| 13:22.16 | Lopeppeppy | http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/spider1.jpg -- crappy blackberry shot |
| 13:22.24 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: old product certainly |
| 13:22.29 | Wobin | but the expression on her face =) |
| 13:22.49 | Wobin | Is that a Daddy long legs? |
| 13:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hell no. |
| 13:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | I'd not have to do murder if it was just one of those, I'd chuck it outside. |
| 13:23.18 | Lopeppeppy | Species unknown, it died. |
| 13:24.09 | Lopeppeppy | It wasn't a wood spider or daddy long legs, the two I'm used to being that spindly and somewhat that size ish. It had more of a solid oval body, sort of like a funnel spider but not as heavy. And it jumped like a kangaroo, let me tell ya. |
| 13:24.15 | Lopeppeppy | So it's a hunter of some sort. *shrug* |
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| 13:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going with a fishing spider or sac spider from this list, but still looking... http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/common_spiders.pdf |
| 13:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | Aggressive house spider sounds good too. Well, bad, but possible |
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| 13:45.20 | dardack | how do i add a second binding |
| 13:45.22 | dardack | ? |
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| 13:53.26 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
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| 13:54.19 | Eustaquio | hey |
| 13:55.07 | Eustaquio | is there any way to respone a whisp? |
| 13:55.07 | Eustaquio | with SendChatMessage or get the nick who last whispered you |
| 13:57.44 | kneeki | use SendChatMessage after the whisper event? |
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| 14:02.48 | Eustaquio | no |
| 14:03.01 | Eustaquio | I want a function like as /r |
| 14:03.13 | Eustaquio | to "response" who last whispered you |
| 14:03.40 | kneeki | like I said above |
| 14:03.42 | kneeki | use SendChatMessage after the whisper event? |
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| 14:04.45 | kneeki | local f = CreateFrame("frame"); f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER"); f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event) SendChatMessage(...) end) |
| 14:04.47 | kneeki | done |
| 14:05.24 | kneeki | You're going to have to put the information within SendChatMessage though, ... will do nothing but give an error |
| 14:07.06 | Eustaquio | kneeki |
| 14:07.19 | Eustaquio | but not response after 1milisecond :P |
| 14:07.28 | Eustaquio | i want something like /r |
| 14:08.07 | kneeki | I've done well over 70% of the work for you. You can finish the rest I hope |
| 14:08.10 | kneeki | !api SendChatMessage |
| 14:08.10 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 14:08.18 | kneeki | !api CHAT_EVENT_WHISPER |
| 14:08.18 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'CHAT_EVENT_WHISPER'. |
| 14:08.23 | kneeki | bah |
| 14:08.39 | jnwhiteh | !api _WHISPER |
| 14:08.40 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for '_WHISPER': CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM, CHAT_MSG_WHISPER, CHAT_MSG_RAID_BOSS_WHISPER, CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_WHISPER |
| 14:08.44 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 14:08.56 | kneeki | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 14:09.05 | kneeki | Isn't that what I did? |
| 14:09.14 | jnwhiteh | no, you did !api CHAT_EVENT_WHISPER |
| 14:09.16 | kneeki | !api CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 14:09.16 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_WHISPER: Fires when you receive a whisper. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_WHISPER) |
| 14:09.18 | jnwhiteh | which is not the same as CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 14:09.20 | jnwhiteh | so fail :P |
| 14:09.25 | kneeki | ooohhhh |
| 14:09.27 | kneeki | yeah, fail hard |
| 14:10.38 | Kalroth | oh, it does substring searches |
| 14:10.42 | Kalroth | !api banana |
| 14:10.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'banana'. |
| 14:10.50 | kneeki | !api cheese |
| 14:10.50 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'cheese'. |
| 14:10.53 | kneeki | damn! |
| 14:10.54 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 14:10.56 | kneeki | I'd like cheese |
| 14:10.56 | Kalroth | why is there no banana api, clearly a mistake |
| 14:10.57 | jnwhiteh | why would there be api results for those |
| 14:11.01 | kneeki | lol |
| 14:11.10 | kneeki | Why WOULDN'T there be, you mean? |
| 14:11.13 | jnwhiteh | !api %w_MSG_%w |
| 14:11.14 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '%w_MSG_%w'. |
| 14:11.20 | jnwhiteh | maybe i don't allow patterns |
| 14:11.22 | jnwhiteh | don't recall :P |
| 14:11.30 | Kalroth | !api %_MSG% |
| 14:11.31 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '%_MSG%'. |
| 14:11.37 | Kalroth | !api *_MSG* |
| 14:11.37 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '*_MSG*'. |
| 14:11.40 | Kalroth | naw :( |
| 14:11.48 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: you should! |
| 14:11.57 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 14:12.02 | jnwhiteh | substring searches work fine |
| 14:12.05 | jnwhiteh | !api _MSG_ |
| 14:12.05 | lua_bot | Found 50 possible matches for '_MSG_'. Please be more specific |
| 14:12.08 | jnwhiteh | see =) |
| 14:12.20 | Kalroth | aye |
| 14:12.23 | Kalroth | !api WHISPER |
| 14:12.24 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'WHISPER': CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM, CHAT_MSG_WHISPER, CHAT_MSG_RAID_BOSS_WHISPER, CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_WHISPER |
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| 14:14.32 | Eustaquio | I have seen ^^ |
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| 14:17.40 | jnwhiteh | brb |
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| 14:23.33 | Aelobin | if i set an OnUpdate function, then i set it again - will it interrupt it in any way or will it just do nothing? |
| 14:24.14 | Aelobin | like, set it to the same function |
| 14:24.21 | jnwhiteh | should do nothing |
| 14:24.29 | jnwhiteh | i.e. |
| 14:24.32 | jnwhiteh | it doesn |
| 14:24.38 | jnwhiteh | on the next reresh, whatever the onpudate function is |
| 14:24.39 | jnwhiteh | will run |
| 14:25.05 | Aelobin | ty |
| 14:27.36 | Aelobin | !api PVP |
| 14:27.36 | lua_bot | Found 24 possible matches for 'PVP'. Please be more specific |
| 14:28.11 | Aelobin | is there events for pvp flag changing? :P |
| 14:28.15 | Aelobin | !api FLAG |
| 14:28.15 | lua_bot | Found 10 possible results for 'FLAG': GuildControlSetRankFlag, QuestFlagsPVP, FlagTutorial, GuildControlGetRankFlags, CHANNEL_FLAGS_UPDATED, GetNumBattlefieldFlagPositions, UNIT_DYNAMIC_FLAGS, UNIT_FLAGS, PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED, GetBattlefieldFlagPosition |
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| 14:33.20 | jnwhiteh | Aelobin: use /dtevents |
| 14:33.22 | jnwhiteh | and see for yourself |
| 14:33.23 | jnwhiteh | easy enough |
| 14:33.32 | jnwhiteh | way better than any reference can be |
| 14:33.46 | Aelobin | aye im figuring something out myself :) forgot to say "nvm" :p |
| 14:34.19 | AckisWork | hey jnwhiteh I heard tomtom is a keylogger and doesn't work in the wrath beta |
| 14:34.29 | jnwhiteh | stabs AckisWork |
| 14:36.42 | AckisWork | so by stabbing me, you want to hide the truth! |
| 14:37.27 | Wobin | stabs AckisWork |
| 14:37.46 | Wobin | is a subcontractor |
| 14:37.48 | Aelobin | AckisWork ~= caesar |
| 14:37.49 | theorbtwo | STABS debugging. |
| 14:38.01 | Wobin | e tu Aelobin? |
| 14:38.06 | Aelobin | 0_o |
| 14:38.19 | AckisWork | et tu Aelobin? |
| 14:38.21 | AckisWork | wait |
| 14:38.24 | AckisWork | damn you wob |
| 14:38.24 | AckisWork | in |
| 14:38.39 | Wobin | eh, you spelled it better =) |
| 14:41.44 | AckisWork | yah leave! |
| 14:41.45 | AckisWork | or SUFFER MY WRATH |
| 14:41.50 | AckisWork | where's Fisker-? |
| 14:41.52 | AckisWork | I want to kick himn |
| 14:43.16 | Fisker- | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:43.21 | Fisker- | do it |
| 14:43.29 | AckisWork | kicks Fisker- |
| 14:43.32 | AckisWork | ~Fisker-++ |
| 14:43.36 | Fisker- | fuck you |
| 14:43.46 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 14:43.46 | purl | fisker- has karma of -5 |
| 14:43.48 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 14:45.01 | Fisker- | you're a horrible person AckisWork |
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| 14:46.17 | AckisWork | you're just figuring this out? |
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| 14:53.24 | Legorol | let me get this straight.. Fisker- just got a ++ and is still on -5? |
| 14:54.03 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 14:54.05 | [Ammo] | he's a troll |
| 14:54.15 | Legorol | a cute, cuddly and everyone loves him kind of troll? |
| 14:54.38 | Gnarfoz | ~fisker--- |
| 14:54.48 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 14:54.51 | Gnarfoz | don't you remember not to give fisker positive karma? |
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| 14:55.16 | Legorol | i wonder if i have any karma at all |
| 14:55.18 | Legorol | ~karma Legorol |
| 14:55.18 | purl | legorol has neutral karma |
| 14:55.34 | Legorol | i'm at peace with the universe, balancing everything |
| 14:55.56 | Gnarfoz | ~karma gnarfoz |
| 14:55.56 | purl | gnarfoz has karma of 1 |
| 14:55.59 | Gnarfoz | whee |
| 14:56.31 | Stanzilla | ~Gnarfoz-- |
| 14:56.32 | Stanzilla | fixed |
| 14:56.47 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I haet you! |
| 14:56.50 | Fisker- | btw Stanzilla |
| 14:57.08 | Fisker- | Those fake SP1 pictures you posted a week back |
| 14:57.13 | Fisker- | They were fake because of the build string |
| 14:57.14 | Stanzilla | were not fake |
| 14:57.17 | Stanzilla | no |
| 14:57.19 | Fisker- | yes |
| 14:57.38 | Stanzilla | l2read wzor more |
| 14:58.01 | AckisWork | ~karma ackis |
| 14:58.01 | purl | ackis has karma of -2 |
| 14:58.04 | AckisWork | w00t |
| 14:58.16 | Fisker- | Stanzilla l2read buildstrings |
| 14:59.30 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: http://screenshots.winfuture.de/Windows-7-SP1-Build-6.1.7138-1243508092.jpg |
| 14:59.33 | Stanzilla | was the screenshot |
| 14:59.40 | Stanzilla | what's wrong the the (censored) buildstring? |
| 14:59.50 | Fisker- | it's winmain |
| 15:00.52 | Stanzilla | winmain_winXXX |
| 15:01.02 | Stanzilla | and xxx is ids_sp |
| 15:01.08 | jnwhiteh | i dont get it http://i39.tinypic.com/wmaut4.jpg |
| 15:01.20 | Fisker- | should be winmain_sp |
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| 15:01.44 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: there are 2 branches |
| 15:01.52 | Stanzilla | winmain_win7ids_sp and winmain_sp |
| 15:03.32 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: and 7227.0.winmain_sp.090602-2110 leaked today |
| 15:03.41 | Stanzilla | as a VHD |
| 15:03.45 | nicoli_s | bonnarooooooooo |
| 15:03.59 | Fisker- | That atleast makes sense Stanzilla |
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| 15:05.34 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: http://i41.tinypic.com/219axp1.png hope it helps^^ |
| 15:06.52 | Fisker- | IDS = some internal shush shush apparently |
| 15:07.10 | Shirik | mibbit's scrollback sucks |
| 15:07.12 | Stanzilla | yeah, internal "rc2" stuff |
| 15:07.13 | Shirik | did someone ping me? |
| 15:07.31 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't, but good morning to you Shirik |
| 15:07.37 | Shirik | morning |
| 15:07.39 | nicoli_s | good morning to all |
| 15:08.26 | nicoli_s | is there any web page translation tools better than babelfish? |
| 15:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | They all have limitations, nicoli_s. I don't find any better than the others, sadly. |
| 15:09.28 | nicoli_s | cuz babelfish blows for korean - > english |
| 15:12.05 | Shirik | s/korean/x/ s/english/y/ |
| 15:12.25 | Shirik | hm |
| 15:12.39 | Shirik | ~x en en is there any web page translation tools better than babelfish? |
| 15:12.47 | Shirik | lol |
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| 15:17.52 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 15:17.56 | Fisker- | today you will show me |
| 15:19.03 | Shirik | Anyone here good with UML? |
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| 15:20.05 | Shirik | http://hubpages.com/hub/UML-Interface-Class suggests that interfaces should in fact have their functions italicized |
| 15:20.21 | Shirik | my UML program does not seem to agree for interfaces, only for abstract classes |
| 15:21.20 | nicoli_s | when i had to do java uml i was taught that just abstract had italicized |
| 15:21.57 | Shirik | in theory UML should not be language dependent, and this is C#, but yeah that's consistent with my design program |
| 15:22.40 | nicoli_s | whatcha doing C#? |
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| 15:23.54 | nicoli_s | in c#* |
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| 15:31.04 | AckisWork | ckknight:I need moar jobs http://ackis.myminicity.com/ind |
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| 15:35.52 | nicoli_s | mor icons! |
| 15:36.53 | AckisWork | ping Aelobin |
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| 15:37.04 | Aelobin | =o |
| 15:37.33 | Roofel | Anyone here know what "WombatII" after some addons mean when getting an error message from Stubby? :P |
| 15:38.16 | Roofel | Like "AucAdvanced, v5.5.4293 (WombatII)" |
| 15:41.07 | nicoli_s | i wasnt kidding ackiswork, tell yer gf no food till mor icons |
| 15:42.01 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 15:42.18 | cogwheel | (ugt) |
| 15:42.24 | cogwheel | or something |
| 15:42.33 | durcyn | good EVENING, cogwheel |
| 15:42.59 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: I have her doing other things today, icons are last on the list |
| 15:43.09 | nicoli_s | then clone her! |
| 15:43.12 | AckisWork | neg |
| 15:43.17 | AckisWork | I'd kill myself |
| 15:43.17 | AckisWork | :P |
| 15:43.23 | nicoli_s | i wants muh new curse client to be purty with mor icons! |
| 15:43.24 | Aelobin | does the toc only get reloaded once you restart wow, or once it's in the addon list can you just edit it and reload ui? |
| 15:43.43 | durcyn | toc is only loaded once per session, changes require a full client restart |
| 15:43.43 | AckisWork | Aelobin: you need to exit completely |
| 15:43.54 | Aelobin | meh xD |
| 15:43.57 | durcyn | AckisWork: send me the spare, i've already got a muzzle ready |
| 15:44.30 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:46.29 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13765-Hush.html |
| 15:49.07 | Roofel | ... |
| 15:49.21 | Roofel | Who doesnt like talking in General Chat? :P |
| 15:49.44 | AckisWork | http://www.wowace.com/comments/32453-ackis-killer-monkeys-breaks-a-lot-of-other-mods-its/ was that too mean of me? |
| 15:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | If you have to ask, it was. |
| 15:50.52 | nicoli_s | shut em down |
| 15:51.10 | Lopeppeppy | how many recipe mods do they need, anyway? Jeez. |
| 15:51.36 | AckisWork | 1 bazillion |
| 15:52.07 | Lopeppeppy | Jerkface sheeple deserve viruses and malware. |
| 15:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | My sheeple this morning was all innocent, "what's this popup from my virus program mean?" |
| 15:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | *head desk* |
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| 15:54.24 | Roofel | AckisWork, how does it break other? :P |
| 15:55.54 | nicoli_s | ackis steals all the variables |
| 15:56.15 | AckisWork | Roofel: Torhal did some investigation, it just breaks shit, no idea how, I didn't look at it in that much detail |
| 15:56.26 | Roofel | xD |
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| 15:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 15:59.49 | Lunessa | Station Lopeppeppy. *huggles* |
| 16:02.20 | Mystical | Hi there |
| 16:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | worst XML file ever - 1.1MB of <o><o></o><o></o></o> |
| 16:04.20 | alestane | Sounds well-formed, anyway. But it doesn't sound very useful. |
| 16:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Every <o> has a 't' attrib, which has a number, which corresponds to a tag type |
| 16:05.17 | Roofel | xD |
| 16:05.23 | alestane | Which is a trick, since most well-formed things are at least good scenery. |
| 16:05.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kind of like translating a foreign language into an intermeditate language, into something you can understand |
| 16:05.38 | alestane | So it's actually a whole bunch of functional tags, embedded by proxy? |
| 16:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda yeah |
| 16:05.58 | alestane | That does sound kinda stupid. |
| 16:06.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Painful is what I had in mind |
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| 16:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/115667 |
| 16:07.49 | ScytheBlade1 | depending on what t is, all of the other attribs mean different things |
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| 16:08.51 | alestane | SOMEBODY appears to have missed the fundamental point of XML. |
| 16:08.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Note how there is no actual data inbetwteen the tags, everything is stored as an attrib |
| 16:09.10 | Roofel | :P |
| 16:09.17 | mikma | http://tissi.apina.biz/full/17246.jpg <- go eu :D |
| 16:09.19 | alestane | Time to get out the XSLT parser. |
| 16:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It also turns out that when t="23", elements of that node are a container of sorts, that can contain -anything- |
| 16:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | well, rather, it can contain more <o> nodes, but of any 't' |
| 16:10.35 | alestane | Seriously. Someone at least get these people a transform that will make their internal data readable. |
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| 16:11.24 | Lunessa | alestane: "... most well-formed things are at least good scenery." Hear Hear! |
| 16:11.37 | Lopeppeppy | gets a Chinese screen |
| 16:12.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know if I'm even going to bother with XSLT/sanitization, I just need to read it in |
| 16:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | (And store it, somehow) |
| 16:13.02 | kneeki | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Bm0xkItbk * love it! * |
| 16:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, and instead of using localization standard strings like en_US, they use the international phone dialing prefix numbers |
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| 16:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 0001-L044 <-- page 1 for English |
| 16:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (... despite that also covering Canada and Mexico...) |
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| 16:50.48 | zenzelezz | "Some time ago, the IT department sent out a message to all users on the subject of email safety. The gist of the message was that for increased safety, everybody should go to that options dialog and check the box to set Outlook to read email in plain text mode. It's not clear whether they expected anybody to take their message seriously, though: They sent the message in HTML format." |
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| 16:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:51.30 | cncfanatics | Lol & chan message :p |
| 16:51.41 | cncfanatics | s/&/@/ |
| 16:57.29 | airtonix | ScytheBlade1, http://pastebin.com/m3396d176 |
| 16:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | What about it? |
| 16:58.35 | airtonix | oright i thought you were trying to deal with blizzard realm status |
| 16:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, no |
| 16:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I doubt that would be this brain dead |
| 16:58.52 | airtonix | ut any way its my openbox pipemenu thingo for realm status |
| 16:59.15 | airtonix | $ ./scriptname realmname realmname realmname |
| 16:59.51 | kamdis | waits for the company fire drill. Oh joy! |
| 17:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Last fire drill I had was in high school. I was standing right next to the (LOUD) alarms when they went off. I had a huge migraine that day. |
| 17:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | twitches |
| 17:00.56 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't had one all this school year... which scares me because I work in the science/lab building. |
| 17:01.25 | Pharaunmizz | We don't have fire drills o.o |
| 17:01.34 | Fisker- | http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/COMICbeachparty.png |
| 17:01.54 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Thank, I got a headache just /thinking/ about it. |
| 17:01.56 | Lopeppeppy | They're required for us due to the labs... Must all be on weekends or something this year. |
| 17:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 17:02.08 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 17:02.12 | Fisker- | now tell me how to make my balls bigger |
| 17:02.33 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | bleach |
| 17:03.15 | nicoli_s | tye a rubber band around them |
| 17:03.18 | durcyn | hit them with a hammer |
| 17:03.21 | durcyn | no, two hammers |
| 17:03.29 | Fisker- | nope, nope, nope, nope and nope |
| 17:03.49 | airtonix | buttsechks? |
| 17:04.11 | Fisker- | noep |
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| 17:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | Jellyfish in the jock |
| 17:05.20 | Hirsute | This addon has an (unfortunately) comical name: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13763-NoFAP.html |
| 17:05.31 | haste | DO NOT FAP! |
| 17:05.35 | haste | it will make you blind |
| 17:05.36 | Hirsute | *Think of hte kittens* |
| 17:05.38 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's deliberate, Hirsute. :) |
| 17:05.56 | Fisker- | hey haste |
| 17:06.01 | haste | hey Fisker- |
| 17:06.04 | airtonix | here? http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/comics/2008-11-13-Office-Party-of-the-Future.jpg |
| 17:06.22 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: I'm sure it is. Very comical. |
| 17:08.07 | Fisker- | hey haste |
| 17:08.42 | haste | hey Fisker- |
| 17:09.02 | AckisWork | hey Fisker- |
| 17:09.05 | haste | hey Fisker- |
| 17:09.08 | durcyn | hey Fisker- |
| 17:09.10 | haste | ~hey Fisker- |
| 17:09.11 | purl | fisker- is a brand of cat food |
| 17:09.14 | airtonix | inc trout |
| 17:09.55 | Fisker- | : |
| 17:09.56 | Fisker- | :( |
| 17:10.15 | kamdis | Fastest fire drill ever |
| 17:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, you win |
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| 17:46.06 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/the-secret-lives-of-customers/2061 O_o |
| 17:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 17:49.51 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/working-smarter-not-harder/2054 ...at least he knows what he wants? |
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| 17:55.19 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/a-double-edged-flat-screen/2046 - the horror! |
| 17:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'd watch Lilo and Stitch |
| 17:55.59 | AckisWork | that movies wins |
| 17:56.04 | AckisWork | I'm CUTE AND FUZZY |
| 17:56.37 | Fisker- | hey AckisWork |
| 17:56.37 | Fisker- | die |
| 17:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | Does Stitch have to go on the ship now? |
| 17:56.48 | AckisWork | hi Fisker- |
| 17:56.53 | alestane | Lunessa: Goddamn, you beat me to it. |
| 17:56.56 | AckisWork | bwaas |
| 17:57.02 | Lunessa | Hahaha |
| 17:58.17 | alestane | "After this we can all watch 'Steel Magnolias' and have a good cry!" |
| 17:58.42 | alestane | Devious kitty is devious: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/09/funny-pictures-why-box-barks/ |
| 17:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | Moose would totally do that. |
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| 18:00.09 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/08/funny-pictures-seconds-ask-me-hao/ This picture is very strange. |
| 18:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | Is not. |
| 18:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | Glass table |
| 18:02.09 | alestane | I know how it happens, yes. But there's something about that view of the kitty's belly flattened out over their feet; that was not meant to be seen. |
| 18:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | Soft! Cute! |
| 18:02.34 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Objectionable Animal (TM): http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/06/funny-pictures-da-missing-lynx/ |
| 18:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, that's her reaction, but it's just ordinary house cats she's seeing. Darned territorial cat. |
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| 18:07.47 | jnwhiteh | have you guys heard of "Internet"? http://wonkette.com/409013/monday-fun-video-the-internet-used-to-be-good |
| 18:10.28 | End | nope never |
| 18:10.31 | End | what is this internet |
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| 18:13.04 | sp0ckk | Would it possible for an addon to loop through the members in a guild, checking for a certain debuff (magic/disease) and cleanse it automagically? |
| 18:13.19 | Vonhinten | http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=d4fcc067-9c2e-4351-be5f-d3b43fd47658 |
| 18:16.09 | Lopeppeppy | alestane! |
| 18:16.15 | Hirsute | Heh... "There's not screenfuls of 'Go to hell!'" |
| 18:16.17 | alestane | sp0ckk: Not for about two and a half years now, no. |
| 18:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | You have been remiss in your dooties. You will now be shot. |
| 18:16.26 | alestane | Which duties are these? |
| 18:16.38 | kneeki | Hirsute: I just got to that part. Aparantly this guy has never been to 4chan |
| 18:16.43 | Lopeppeppy | sp0ckk, the closest you get is Decursive, which can tell you to go decurse them. |
| 18:17.04 | Hirsute | "The electronic scream means you're connected to anywhere" |
| 18:17.04 | Lopeppeppy | alestane -- Mac software updating. Why did you not tell me of Safari for Windoze? I have been slacking in my web dev dooties! |
| 18:17.18 | sp0ckk | alestane, OK. could an addon wait for you to select a player, then check that player for the debuff and cast accordingly, or can macros and addons simply not cast spells? |
| 18:17.25 | alestane | I don't think it ever occurred to me that you wouldn't know about it! |
| 18:17.30 | Hirsute | Also: Emoticons were not created by people on teh intarwebz, I don't think. |
| 18:17.49 | alestane | sp0ckk: The game is never allowed to cast a spell without you expressly telling it to. |
| 18:18.19 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, alestane, I'm writing you up for slackertoood. |
| 18:18.33 | alestane | Addons can make buttons that cast a spell when you click them, but they can't cast it themselves. |
| 18:18.40 | Hirsute | "Color age and nationality don't mean anything" |
| 18:18.52 | Hirsute | WTF? Anyone remember the old a/s/l checks on irc? |
| 18:19.12 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Since when have I ever had an inventory of everything you test against? I didn't know Safari wasn't on it! |
| 18:19.41 | sp0ckk | alestane, ah OK |
| 18:20.38 | alestane | There are also strict controls to prevent add-ons and macros from using too much information in choosing what spell you meant to cast, an on whom. |
| 18:21.00 | Lopeppeppy | sniffles at alestane. |
| 18:21.21 | alestane | Lopeppeppy, *darling*, are you testing against Chrome? |
| 18:21.42 | Lopeppeppy | No, we do not have Chrome compliance at this time. |
| 18:22.51 | alestane | I ask because Chrome and Safari use the same rendering engine, so if a page works in Chrome, the odds of it working in Safari are very good. |
| 18:22.53 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Opera (Windows, Mac, Linux), Chrome (Windows, but new alpha for Mac and Linux), Firefox (Windows, Mac, Linux), Internet Explorer (Windows only, God be praised), Safari (Mac, Windows) - if you need more than that, well... you're designing for a niche market. |
| 18:23.17 | alestane | Lunessa: They have an alpha for Mac? |
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| 18:23.56 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, but the developers say "Don't download this" - it's a dev preview more than anything else. |
| 18:25.23 | alestane | Ah. Every other time I've checked in, they've been all "Sign up to hear when we actually do this!" |
| 18:26.06 | Lunessa | alestane: It was posted Friday I think. And now, Lopeppeppy has a list and can't blame you. |
| 18:26.08 | End | I don't know about Mac, but I installed it on my Linux box. |
| 18:26.11 | alestane | Oh, and IE does exist for Mac, but basically no-one uses it anymore because MS hasn't updated it since 5.2 or so. |
| 18:26.14 | End | it seemed pretty stable to me |
| 18:26.31 | End | well, IE for Mac didn't even use the same rendering engine as for Windows |
| 18:26.44 | Hirsute | I wish MS would stop updating IE for Windows and let it go away entirely. |
| 18:27.38 | Lunessa | alestane: It's around, but... try finding a copy to install. |
| 18:28.36 | alestane | One of my students yesterday said he has a copy around for historical purposes, which he's proud of, since I don't think Microsoft distributes it anymore and no-one else has any reason to. |
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| 18:30.49 | AckisWork | new release of http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wowtcgcraftingsheet.aspx for those who use it. |
| 18:30.49 | Lunessa | Right. We use OWA for handling web-based e-mail, and we're about to allow students to use forwarding... but in OWA you can only do forwarding via the rules feature - which you can only access via IE. /facepalm |
| 18:31.32 | Lunessa | So... Any students on a Mac or Linux box can't use the forwarding feature without using someone else's machine. /facepalm |
| 18:32.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lunessa: owa is the devil incarnate. |
| 18:32.30 | alestane | I wish I could set up forwarding on my Outlook account. |
| 18:32.44 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: But it's what I'm stuck with. |
| 18:35.08 | Hirsute | OWA is evil. It's also the particular flavor of evil a lot of colleges/universities are getting in bed with right now. |
| 18:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | OWA is Peppy |
| 18:36.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: and the funny thing is, setting it up in a non-AD environment is a royal pain to manage |
| 18:36.57 | Lunessa | Microsoft and Dell made the university a very attractive offer. |
| 18:37.09 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: Check on all but Chrome currently installed, yay me. |
| 18:37.11 | Lunessa | And we're an AD enviornment. |
| 18:37.16 | Lopeppeppy | I even have retro versions of IE installed. |
| 18:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | AD makes it easy |
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| 18:37.50 | Lunessa | We did the conversion from Exchange 2000 to Active Directory and Exchange 2003 in 2005. |
| 18:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Was probably well worth it |
| 18:39.45 | dardack | when your looting can you get the item id of the slot#? |
| 18:39.53 | Lunessa | Probably. It happened less than a month after I started, but I still deal with legacy issues. |
| 18:44.31 | dardack | ok i know i'm being slow but if i have a list, is there a quick command to see if an item exists in that list without looping through the list? |
| 18:45.52 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1, Lunessa: MS and Dell *always* make attractive offers. And, yes, I'm sure OWA/Exchange server *are* a pain in a non-AD environment. *shudder* |
| 18:46.05 | ScytheBlade1 | dardack: define list |
| 18:46.34 | dardack | i guess array like list = { "cheese", "we", "etc" } |
| 18:46.40 | Hirsute | I know the hoops my University has had to go through to accomodate non-AD environments while still pushing OWA, Sharepoint, etc, etc. |
| 18:46.46 | Lunessa | Hirsute: *nod* Welcome to my day to day life. |
| 18:46.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you mean table, and like that, no |
| 18:47.01 | alestane | dardack: In that situation, you have to loop through. |
| 18:47.19 | Hirsute | dardack: Not that I'm aware. I'd instead set it up as mytable = { cheese = true, we = true, etc...} |
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| 18:47.32 | Hirsute | Then you can just check for mytable["cheese"] |
| 18:48.04 | dardack | ok cause what i want to do is set something up so it would auto loot certain items but everything else |
| 18:48.47 | Hirsute | I'm... not sure if an addon can pick and choose with looting, but that could just be my own nubbishness. |
| 18:48.48 | alestane | My preference in that situation is to set it up as mytable = {cheese = "cheese", we = "we", etc...} |
| 18:49.02 | Hirsute | ^^^^ works too. |
| 18:49.29 | Hirsute | Probably facilitates localization better, than the = true method. |
| 18:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | What you're going to do is loop through the set of items in the loot window and check if it is one you care about |
| 18:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | If it is, grab it |
| 18:49.44 | dardack | no |
| 18:49.56 | dardack | was going to use GetLootSlotInfo |
| 18:49.59 | dardack | get the item name |
| 18:50.05 | dardack | check it against my black list and skip it |
| 18:50.07 | dardack | if it's in the list |
| 18:50.14 | dardack | otherwise loot it |
| 18:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ... but to do that, you have to loop through the items in the loot window, right? |
| 18:50.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I meant by loop |
| 18:50.27 | dardack | oh yea |
| 18:50.30 | dardack | ok |
| 18:50.35 | p3lim | what fires first, ADDON_LOADED or VARIABLES_LOADED ? |
| 18:50.36 | dardack | casue running strat over and over again |
| 18:50.43 | dardack | i don't care about swiss or the stones off the little guys |
| 18:50.44 | Hirsute | ADDON_LOADED |
| 18:50.49 | dardack | but i like the runecloth/greens/etc. |
| 18:50.52 | alestane | p3lim: ADDON_LOADED fires once per add-on. |
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| 18:51.04 | Hirsute | VARIABLES_LOADED fires onces *all* addons are done loading. |
| 18:51.13 | Hirsute | If I understand correctly. |
| 18:51.23 | alestane | The only time ADDON_LOADED fires after VARIABLES_LOADED is for LoadOnDemand addons. |
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| 18:54.35 | Hirsute | This is a pretty big "whoops!": http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/09/1422200/Security-Flaw-Hits-VAserv-Head-of-LxLabs-Found-Hanged |
| 18:54.41 | dardack | ScytheBlade1: but does that mean i have to loop through the black least on eahc slot id? |
| 18:54.57 | ScytheBlade1 | define 'slot id' |
| 18:55.05 | Hirsute | darack: No, we alestane and I already gave you an alternative method |
| 18:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You mean slots on your character, for gear? |
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| 18:55.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Or slots on the loot window? |
| 18:55.21 | Hirsute | s/we // |
| 18:57.05 | dardack | so if i have blacklist = { swiss = "swiss", stone = "stone" } i can than _, item, _, _ = GetLootSlotInfo(slot#) if mytable[item] than it's in my blacklist? |
| 18:57.25 | Hirsute | well, s/mytable/blacklist/ but yes |
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| 18:57.38 | Cruciformer | Good evening everyone |
| 18:58.06 | dardack | well yea |
| 18:58.15 | dardack | oh well thanks |
| 18:58.27 | Cruciformer | Since GetItemInfo() only returns item info fromy our local item cache, how do I get an item into teh cache? i.e how do I query teh server |
| 18:58.32 | Hirsute | And assuming that the entry in the blacklist and the name returned from GetLootSlotInfo match exactly. |
| 18:58.59 | Hirsute | Cruciformer: I believe the only way is to, one way or another, "click" a link for the item. |
| 18:59.09 | Hirsute | I don't think we can query the server directly from addons. |
| 18:59.13 | dardack | could always string.lower(item) which is what i try to do when saving and retrivieving things |
| 18:59.23 | Hirsute | dardack: I was about to suggest that |
| 18:59.41 | Hirsute | So yes, that would probably work. |
| 19:00.08 | Cruciformer | Hirsute: It must be possible somehow, AtlasLoot does it ... by fiddling with GameTooltip:SetHyperlink ("item:" .. itemid .. ":0:0:0:0:0:0") |
| 19:00.26 | Hirsute | Keep in mind, also, that if the key name has a space in it, you have to add it to the table individually--> blacklist["Alterac Swiss"] |
| 19:00.29 | Cruciformer | but that seems to not always work (and not for weird items either, the items I am querying are fairly common) |
| 19:01.03 | Hirsute | Cruciformer: It's generating a link for the item there, and looks like it's programmatically "clicking" the link. |
| 19:01.42 | Hirsute | However, since the change to weapons and armor having the player's level as part of their link, weapons and armor seem to not return correctly or at all if you don't put the correct player level in. |
| 19:02.18 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 19:02.28 | Lunessa | Hahaha - http://comcastisfuckingwithyourport53traffic.wordpress.com/ |
| 19:02.50 | Cruciformer | one of the items in question thats not resolving correctly is one of the weapons that drops during the KT fight in the eye |
| 19:03.18 | Cruciformer | but warp slicer worked fine. Go figure. |
| 19:03.30 | Hirsute | It might be what I just mentioned. It seemed... inconsistent to me. |
| 19:03.41 | Hirsute | But I haven't played with it since just after 3.0 |
| 19:04.32 | Cruciformer | its irritating as all hell that GetItemInfo() doesn't query the server for you |
| 19:05.00 | Hirsute | Irritating, sure, but I think it's intentional. |
| 19:05.12 | cogwheel | Lunessa: lol... he says what i say "comcast can suck it" |
| 19:05.17 | Hirsute | Makes in-game datamining a little more difficult. |
| 19:05.23 | Cruciformer | oh I have no doubt its intentional but there are legitimate reasons for wanting to do so |
| 19:05.32 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Yeah, I noticed that too. |
| 19:05.43 | cogwheel | taps his foot while he waits for AT&T appointment next Monday |
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| 19:06.22 | Hirsute | Cruciformer: I don't disagree. I just try not to let it bug me too much, because I doubt it will change any time soon. |
| 19:06.24 | alestane | "Iâm going to set up a bind proxy which tunnels requests to an outside host (e.g. testserv) via SSH so the packet-sniffing dicks canât get their grubby mitts on them. Fuck you for making this necessary." |
| 19:06.30 | Cruciformer | Hirsute: its been my experience that silly measures like this are rarely any kind of deterent to a data miner, and only hamper legitimate use. |
| 19:06.39 | Lopeppeppy | Bless you, alestane |
| 19:06.50 | Hirsute | Again, I don't disagree. |
| 19:06.51 | Cruciformer | yeah I know u r right sir ... Im just venting my spleen. |
| 19:07.04 | alestane | Pardon my Klatchian, I'm sure. |
| 19:07.43 | Hirsute | But, in my experience, just because there are legitimate reasons to want to do something doesn't mean Blizz will let us do it. There's legit reasons to want client access to the unique IDs for Auctions, but that doesn't look to be on the horizon either. |
| 19:07.49 | Hirsute | So I can commiserate, I really can. |
| 19:08.02 | Lopeppeppy | i want a pwny |
| 19:08.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like that post is flatly wrong |
| 19:08.29 | Fisker- | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | see: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1262601&cid=28269531 |
| 19:08.43 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: http://www.destructoid.com/forum/customavatars/avatar21746_1.gif |
| 19:09.01 | Hirsute | pwny ^^^^ |
| 19:09.16 | alestane | Ok, that officially wins. |
| 19:10.06 | Hirsute | Or maybe: http://media.photobucket.com/image/pwny/vern006/horse.jpg |
| 19:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | There's a zombie pwny out there too. |
| 19:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | ~Fisker-++ |
| 19:10.36 | Lopeppeppy | Quit it. |
| 19:11.28 | Hirsute | Hehe: "I was chatting with my boyfriend the other day, and we think that the safest place to live in case of a zombie apocalypse, is next to a Jewish cemetary, because I don't think human brains are kosher, are they?" |
| 19:11.43 | dardack | Lunessa: that's not right what comcast does, wish there was a way around that. I mean TWC that i have is becoming no better |
| 19:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | Why not, sex is, or so I'm informed. |
| 19:12.21 | Cruciformer | especially not from humans with cloven hooves :P |
| 19:12.26 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: what, kosher? |
| 19:12.35 | alestane | I think they'd still need to be prepared under the right conditions. |
| 19:12.51 | Hirsute | Cruciformer: No, no, things that have cloven hooves and chew they're cud are specifically denoted as clean. |
| 19:13.31 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: My understanding is that sex cannot be kosher. Kosher food blessings may never be uttered in the presence of a human with their genitals exposed. |
| 19:13.41 | Cruciformer | Oh I got it bass-ackwards then |
| 19:13.59 | Hirsute | alestane: *nod* And I can't imagine a zombie taking the time to properly slaughter its victim, drain it of blood in an approved way, and make sure that it eats said brain off of a dish that's never been used for an unkosher purpose. |
| 19:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | alestane *shug* Who says they have to be exposed? |
| 19:14.10 | Hirsute | alestane: Food does not need to be blessed to be kosher. |
| 19:14.20 | Hirsute | Only prepared in the right circumstances. |
| 19:14.28 | Hirsute | and not specifically forbidden |
| 19:14.50 | alestane | I defer to the knowledge of people who might actually know what they're talking about. |
| 19:15.01 | cogwheel | always a wise move ;) |
| 19:15.13 | Cruciformer | what do I know, I like bacon and cheese sandwiches. Thats very un-kosher :P |
| 19:15.16 | Hirsute | <--Did some research after reading the above posted question. |
| 19:15.29 | Hirsute | Cruciformer: particularly together. |
| 19:15.32 | theorbtwo | As to if food must be blessed, it depends on who you ask, IIRC. |
| 19:15.40 | Cruciformer | exactly :) |
| 19:15.47 | theorbtwo | As to if sex can be, most certianly, since "kosher" covers a lot more then "kosher food". |
| 19:15.54 | theorbtwo | It just means "lawful". |
| 19:16.49 | alestane | Fair enough. |
| 19:16.58 | Cruciformer | ergo, eating brains in not kosher coz Im pretty sure canibalism is unlawful :) |
| 19:17.24 | theorbtwo | There's lots of laws governing sex. (Though less then you might think. Try to find a prohibition on premarital sex in the torah (or old testament, if you prefer). In fact, I'm pretty sure the new doesn't say anything either. |
| 19:17.40 | theorbtwo | Cruciformer: I think nonhuman brains are allowed. |
| 19:17.44 | Hirsute | Cruciformer: Actually, that's been hotly debated in Judaism. |
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| 19:18.29 | Hirsute | And many religious leaders seem to indicate that human meat, etc is exempt from the laws pertaining to mammals |
| 19:18.49 | nicoli_s | sweet! |
| 19:19.12 | AckisWork | spread your legs nicoli_s I wanna have a weenie roast |
| 19:19.26 | Tewan | rofl |
| 19:19.28 | Hirsute | The only jewish religous faction I've found that seems in 100% agreement that eating human products is nonkosher are the Ashkenazi's |
| 19:19.57 | Hirsute | And even then, it seems that eating pork is "more" nonkosher |
| 19:20.12 | alestane | theorbtwo: My understanding is that what the seventh commandment (if I remember the Jewish Commandments in the right order) actually forbids is impossible if you don't actually have a spouse. |
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| 19:20.51 | alestane | Actually, it may be the eighth. |
| 19:20.52 | Lopeppeppy | Many things are impossible without a spouse. |
| 19:21.02 | Hirsute | Having a spouse, for instance |
| 19:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | You're so smart! |
| 19:21.20 | theorbtwo | Bingo. |
| 19:21.35 | theorbtwo | It's the 7th in almost all numberings, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commandments |
| 19:21.40 | alestane | Of course, many cultures from that period basically seemed to figure that once you had sex with someone, they were your spouse more or less by default. |
| 19:22.19 | AckisWork | alestane: damnit I married myself then? |
| 19:22.26 | cogwheel | no just your hand |
| 19:22.36 | cogwheel | and perhaps a melon |
| 19:22.41 | Cruciformer | what I wanna know is, what if u dont covet your neighbors wife, u just bang her coz you're bored. Is that still a sin? |
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| 19:22.45 | Lopeppeppy | Or a tennis ball |
| 19:22.49 | AckisWork | cogwheel: and a warm apple pie |
| 19:23.02 | cogwheel | this one time at gear camp... |
| 19:24.05 | alestane | Cruciformer: That's only a violation of one commandment, instead of two. |
| 19:24.16 | nicoli_s | but 2 > 1 |
| 19:24.18 | nicoli_s | so its better |
| 19:24.22 | Cruciformer | oh ... whats the other one? |
| 19:24.31 | alestane | theorbtwo: I get confused because the Catholics drop the second commandment and split the tenth. |
| 19:25.02 | alestane | Cruciformer: Thou shalt not commit adultery? Even if you're not married, she is, she's your neighbor's wife. |
| 19:25.13 | Cruciformer | ah dang |
| 19:25.18 | Cruciformer | foiled again |
| 19:25.33 | theorbtwo | alestane: Yeah, the numbering is all over the map. |
| 19:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever you do, it's wrong, beg for forgiveness and you might get it. End of story. |
| 19:26.49 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Actually, they boil down to two messages: Don't dis God, and don't dis each other. |
| 19:27.01 | Cruciformer | my dad always used to say "everything good in life is either illegal, immoral or fattening" |
| 19:27.05 | Lunessa | Be Excellent To Each Other. |
| 19:27.11 | Lunessa | Party on dudes! |
| 19:27.12 | Hirsute | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 19:27.14 | Hirsute | Win |
| 19:27.16 | theorbtwo | There's actually a scene in the pilot of The West Wing with the numbering controversy. Particularly interesting because the President uses the Jewish numbering, dispite being, IIRC, Lutherian. |
| 19:27.20 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: Yes Bill |
| 19:27.22 | alestane | However, one could wish for a few "Thou shalt"s, which is why I prefer the Bill and Ted form. |
| 19:29.48 | theorbtwo | Ah. He's Catholic. More or less the same argument. Shrug. |
| 19:29.56 | Lunessa | Thou shalt buy Lunessa the cheeseburger, the large Pepsi and a Fried Twinkie. |
| 19:30.13 | theorbtwo | You had me right up to Fried Twinkie. |
| 19:30.13 | Lunessa | And a Coronary Bypass. |
| 19:30.17 | Cruciformer | 11th commandment: thou shalt not get away with it |
| 19:30.34 | Lopeppeppy | i would seriously try a fried twinkie |
| 19:30.41 | kd3 | eew |
| 19:30.43 | dardack | ok a cvar autoLootDefault can i check if that is true? or can I only pass a value to it? |
| 19:30.57 | alestane | Hope about a deep-fried twinkie dipped in chocolate? |
| 19:31.11 | alestane | dardack: Taht is what the GetCVar() function is for. |
| 19:31.24 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, would try |
| 19:31.30 | dardack | so run GetCVar(autoLootDefault) and it will return it's value? |
| 19:31.32 | dardack | thanks |
| 19:31.40 | alestane | There's also usually someone at the Topsfield fair selling deep-fried Oreos. |
| 19:31.53 | Mystical | hey there, i've got a short question. How do i execute a function that is referenced within a variable? |
| 19:31.54 | alestane | dardack: Almost, GetCVar("autoLootDefault") |
| 19:32.00 | dardack | thanks |
| 19:32.14 | alestane | Mystical: Elaborate. |
| 19:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | Deep fried pizza! |
| 19:32.51 | Lunessa | alestane: When I die from coronary failure and my bloated corpse is being hauled to the grave, you will be my sole pall-dragger. |
| 19:32.59 | Mystical | Is there a wow-wiki page for this function? |
| 19:33.32 | Mystical | eh |
| 19:33.33 | Mystical | sorry |
| 19:33.41 | alestane | I prefer Paula Dean's deep-fried lasagna...chill, cube, back in breading and fry croquette-style. I haven't actually tried it, but sounds tasty. |
| 19:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Paula Dean is the queen of coronaries. |
| 19:34.00 | alestane | pack* in breading. |
| 19:34.05 | alestane | Yes, yes she is. |
| 19:34.13 | Lunessa | alestane: I'm never going to lose weight. |
| 19:34.18 | Mystical | what would be the way to get it work? (not in detail of course) |
| 19:34.23 | nicoli_s | mmmmm paula dean |
| 19:34.24 | cogwheel | She's like buttah |
| 19:34.34 | alestane | Mystical: I still don't understand what you're trying to do. |
| 19:34.41 | alestane | So I can't tell you how to do it. |
| 19:34.43 | cogwheel | Mystical: "elaborate" means "explain better what you're asking" |
| 19:35.13 | alestane | cogwheel: Yes, thank you. |
| 19:35.14 | Hirsute | Mystical: We're not sure what you mean by "execute a function that is referenced within a variable" |
| 19:35.50 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I'm going to get the Paula Deen Cookbook, and prepare and eat every recipe. Then I will check myself into a hospital and await the inevitable end. |
| 19:35.52 | Mystical | ye sorry my english isnt such good anymore xD |
| 19:36.00 | Arrowmaster | lua> function func() print "test" end; func() |
| 19:36.00 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: test |
| 19:36.12 | Arrowmaster | lua> func = function() print "test" end; func() |
| 19:36.12 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: test |
| 19:36.27 | dardack | ok i'm still confused i guess, if i have blacklist{ alteric_swiss = "alteric_swiss", stone = "stone" } if item = alteric_swiss, then blacklist[item] returns true? |
| 19:36.47 | cogwheel | no item would = "alterac_swiss" |
| 19:37.23 | alestane | blacklist["alterac_swiss"] will be "alterac_swiss", which acts like true in conditions. |
| 19:37.24 | dardack | s/ric/rac |
| 19:37.24 | Mystical | i want to write an event-handler, it has an array where function are saved in relation to an event e.g. {"ADDON_LOADED" => MyCoolOnLoadFunc} |
| 19:37.39 | Mystical | now i want to execute that function ;) |
| 19:37.44 | Hirsute | lua> local mytable["alterac swiss"] = "alterac swiss" local item = "alterac swiss" if mytable[item] then print("It's true") |
| 19:37.44 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '[' |
| 19:37.53 | cogwheel | dardack: why not just use a plain list? |
| 19:37.59 | cogwheel | o nm |
| 19:38.08 | dardack | cause i didn't want to loop through the list for each item looted |
| 19:38.13 | Hirsute | lua> local mytable{"alterac swiss"} = "alterac swiss" local item = "alterac swiss" if mytable[item] then print("dardack: It's true") |
| 19:38.13 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '{' |
| 19:38.14 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 19:38.17 | Hirsute | bah. |
| 19:38.19 | alestane | Mystical: tableOfHandlers["ADDON_LOADED"](...) |
| 19:38.20 | Hirsute | I fail at syntax today. |
| 19:39.07 | Mystical | damn... thats what i've written in my editor. didnt think is would be that easy :> |
| 19:39.19 | Mystical | thanks anyway |
| 19:39.45 | dardack | lua> local bl = {alteric_swiss = "alteric_swiss"}; local item = "alteric_swiss"; if bl[item] then print("true") end |
| 19:39.46 | lua_bot | dardack: true |
| 19:39.48 | cogwheel | dardack: make your table like { alterac_swiss = true, stone = true } |
| 19:40.09 | cogwheel | no need to duplicate the name |
| 19:40.27 | dardack | lua> string.gsub("alteric swiss", " ", "_") |
| 19:40.27 | lua_bot | dardack: alteric_swiss, 1 |
| 19:40.40 | dardack | thanks cogwheel |
| 19:40.45 | Hirsute | lua> local mytable = {} mytable["alterac swiss"] = "alterac swiss" local item = "alterac swiss" if mytable[item] then print("It's true") |
| 19:40.46 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:40.51 | Hirsute | lua> local mytable = {} mytable["alterac swiss"] = "alterac swiss" local item = "alterac swiss" if mytable[item] then print("It's true") end |
| 19:40.51 | lua_bot | Hirsute: It's true |
| 19:40.56 | Hirsute | There |
| 19:40.57 | alestane | cogwheel: Using a term as the value as well as the key allows the table to act like a filter. |
| 19:41.13 | Arrowmaster | Mystical: http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=272540&postcount=2 |
| 19:41.17 | dardack | so i don't need to remove spaces? |
| 19:41.35 | Hirsute | dardack: If the key name has a space, it must be added individually, using the syntax I used there |
| 19:41.44 | alestane | dardack: Not if you define your table correctly. |
| 19:42.32 | Hirsute | so: cheeses={ alterac swiss="alterac swiss"} won't work. it has to be chesses["alterac swiss"] = ... |
| 19:43.00 | Hirsute | s/chesses/cheeses/ |
| 19:43.06 | alestane | Hirsute: You can say cheeses = {["alterac swiss"] = "alterac swiss"} |
| 19:43.20 | cogwheel | Hirsute: nope |
| 19:43.22 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 19:43.25 | Hirsute | alestane: You win! I looked at the pil for hours and didn't find that. |
| 19:43.36 | alestane | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.7 |
| 19:43.40 | Hirsute | I tried every combination I could think of, never tried it that one. |
| 19:44.15 | Mystical | thx Arrowmaster thats exactly what i need, and that spares me too look how to forward "..." |
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| 19:45.01 | Hirsute | alestane: Thanks again! |
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| 19:45.20 | alestane | The PIL discusses it too: http://www.lua.org/pil/3.6.html |
| 19:45.25 | Hirsute | goes to make changes in his code to start cleaning it up. |
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| 19:46.15 | alestane | Not that I should refer to PiL with a definite article. |
| 19:47.21 | Hirsute | alestane: Hrmmm. I can see how the discussion applies now, but that's the page I looked at before, and it just never occured to me to try that for a key with a space in it. I don't see that case anywhere on that page, so we can just chalk it up to me being dense. |
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| 19:55.49 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 19:55.55 | cogwheel | no u! |
| 19:56.10 | Lothaer | ??? no u |
| 19:57.39 | alestane | HOWdy! (Oops, sorry, wrong opera house!) |
| 20:01.19 | dardack | ok so if bl = { "alteric swiss" = alteric swiss, stone = stone} how would i remove an item? |
| 20:01.33 | alestane | bl["alterac swiss"] = nil. |
| 20:01.47 | dardack | ok thanks |
| 20:02.47 | kamdis | waves hello to Cogwheel. <3 |
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| 20:05.37 | cogwheel | hai2u! |
| 20:06.23 | Kirov | alestane - that's wrong, it'd be bl["alteric swiss"] = nil |
| 20:07.05 | alestane | Kirov: Echoing mistakes does not make them more right. |
| 20:07.12 | durcyn | yeah, who ends sentences with periods |
| 20:07.18 | kneeki | lol |
| 20:07.25 | kneeki | periods suck |
| 20:07.53 | cogwheel | yeah but they're good at making ellipses... |
| 20:08.27 | Kirov | ... |
| 20:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | makes no comment |
| 20:09.06 | End | ...? |
| 20:09.12 | cogwheel | agrees with Lopeppeppy |
| 20:09.25 | dardack | ok if i register multiple events than LootWhatIWant:SetScript("OnEvent", LootWhatIWant_OnEvent) how do i determine what event fired? |
| 20:09.26 | Kirov | -- Is not sure what this comment should be about |
| 20:09.45 | cogwheel | ... hic! |
| 20:09.49 | Lopeppeppy | Innocent and sweet. |
| 20:09.59 | kneeki | dardack: if (event == "EVENT1") then do this elseif event == "EVENT2" then do this end |
| 20:10.07 | alestane | dardack: Second argument passed to LootWhatIWant_OnEvent. |
| 20:10.08 | dardack | oh event is a global, oops |
| 20:10.16 | Kirov | Yes but no. |
| 20:11.38 | alestane | Your event function should be defined as "function LootWhatIWant_OnEvent(self, event, ...)", not "function LootWhatIWant_OnEvent()". |
| 20:14.22 | Cralor` | anyone get their battle-bot? |
| 20:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | I saw a Bluetracker yesterday that it is not yet implemented, and they offered no info on where it comes from. |
| 20:16.11 | dardack | why doesn't ConfirmLootSlot(curSlot) not work? |
| 20:16.32 | kneeki | !api ConfirmLootSlot |
| 20:16.32 | lua_bot | ConfirmLootSlot: Confirms picking up an item available as loot (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/ConfirmLootSlot) |
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| 20:17.22 | dardack | i know |
| 20:17.37 | dardack | but it doesn't sseem to work unless i leave the lootwindow open and continuatly click on the item |
| 20:17.43 | Cralor` | Lopeppeppy: I have it. it's from Mountain Dew contest |
| 20:19.35 | Thunder_Child | i didnt get it, and i was part of that |
| 20:19.45 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, but how, links to the mountain dew contest? |
| 20:20.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@173-10-85-26-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 20:20.15 | Cralor` | you have to go to mountaindewgamefuel.com, sign in, and there is an image near the bottom that will redirect you to battle.net where you login and it will send you the pet on each character of your account |
| 20:21.06 | Cralor` | tomorrow they will release "fuel packets" that you can get at website above and it will fill up your pet with orange or blue dew (you choose) and if your bot sees another bot with opposite color, they fight |
| 20:21.12 | Cralor` | (sorry for wall of text) |
| 20:21.26 | Thunder_Child | ya, i dont have my battle.net and wow linked....didnt want to do it damit |
| 20:21.29 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, so it's an online thingie? |
| 20:21.37 | Cralor` | well no, the pet is in-game |
| 20:21.49 | Cralor` | you just need the website to obtain it (and the contest, if you wish to participate) |
| 20:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | There must be more to it than "sign in and you get a pet" |
| 20:22.23 | Cralor` | well as TC said, you need to have your WoW account linked to your battle.net first, but other than that, no |
| 20:22.34 | Hirsute | "This addon broke. What is wrong with it and how do I fix it?" |
| 20:22.35 | Hirsute | ... |
| 20:22.54 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Well, I guess I'll try it tomorrow, since I'm linked. |
| 20:22.54 | Hirsute | 1) find your WoW directory. |
| 20:22.54 | Cralor` | Thunder_Child: they will eventually require it - they are merely trying to get players to do it now :) |
| 20:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | Hirsute: "Give up WoW, without addons you will never succeed." |
| 20:22.56 | Hirsute | 2) del /s <your wow directory> |
| 20:23.49 | Hirsute | ta-da. The addon is no longer broken. Heck, the addon no long *is*, as far as you're concerned. That's as unbroken as it can be. |
| 20:24.17 | Kirov | ~emulate Kirov |
| 20:24.18 | purl | personally I'd use blow fish |
| 20:24.54 | Cralor` | ~emulate purl |
| 20:24.55 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
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| 20:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn people! |
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| 20:40.15 | Thunder_Child | not enough intrest to remake firefly but enough to put it on blu-ray. fail |
| 20:41.49 | Thunder_Child | and vindication just went down the toilet |
| 20:43.14 | kneeki | What's Blizzards latest total subscriber post? Like 12 million or sithing? |
| 20:43.17 | kneeki | something* |
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| 20:45.35 | Cralor` | yea around there |
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| 20:51.17 | nicoli_s | im sure its up to 150 million now |
| 20:51.29 | nicoli_s | they just dont want to announce it for fear countries will start fearing them |
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| 20:54.26 | darksolace947 | can anyone here help me with kgpanels real quick please |
| 20:54.57 | Hirsute | darksolace947: I can't, but just fyi, it may take a few minutes for someone who can to answer. |
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| 20:55.44 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 20:55.45 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:57.09 | darksolace947 | im using photoshop cs4 to creat some artwork for my ui, when i loaded it to wow its transparent. check all settings and they seem to be right. is there anyway to change the transparency in the kgpanels ui itself |
| 20:58.17 | Grum | only the transparancy of the whole panel |
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| 20:58.53 | Thunder_Child | darksolace947, did you follow http://www.wowace.com/projects/kg-panels/pages/kg-panel-wiki/ ? |
| 21:00.01 | darksolace947 | yes |
| 21:01.28 | *** part/#wowuidev Hirsute (n=Rupert@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute) |
| 21:02.51 | darksolace947 | with my artwork i created, if i set it to solid the image is translusent, but if i set it to none i can see the image just fine but its got a black background color |
| 21:03.13 | Grum | you just fail with transparancy in photoshop |
| 21:03.20 | darksolace947 | ty |
| 21:03.21 | darksolace947 | lol |
| 21:03.21 | Grum | wow will not fix that |
| 21:03.49 | Thunder_Child | maybe something http://forums.wowace.com/search.php?searchid=675609 will help |
| 21:03.53 | KarlKFI | yeah, that's a texture thing, nto a wow thing |
| 21:04.08 | darksolace947 | i created the image using a translucent background |
| 21:04.12 | jnwhiteh | how do arena ratings work now? |
| 21:04.21 | jnwhiteh | we're at 235 |
| 21:04.25 | jnwhiteh | this is bad |
| 21:04.33 | jnwhiteh | but do we have to work all the way up to like 1500? |
| 21:04.37 | KarlKFI | 235 is normal for a week or 1 |
| 21:04.43 | KarlKFI | week or 2* |
| 21:04.51 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 21:04.51 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 21:04.54 | jnwhiteh | everyone starts at 0 |
| 21:04.56 | jnwhiteh | at start of season? |
| 21:04.59 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 21:05.13 | jnwhiteh | kk |
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| 21:05.23 | Stanzilla | you get tons of points per win |
| 21:05.29 | Thunder_Child | ~47 |
| 21:05.31 | End | and its hard to lose points |
| 21:06.21 | KarlKFI | yes and you win points based on some formula that starts at 50 and decreases as your score and gear level increases with some modification for difference in those form your opponent |
| 21:06.34 | jnwhiteh | oh okay |
| 21:06.37 | jnwhiteh | cool |
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| 21:07.23 | KarlKFI | when you finisha game it tells you the arena score or whatever it used to calculate your points and match you with an appropriate opponent |
| 21:07.37 | Thunder_Child | team rating |
| 21:07.40 | Thunder_Child | or ranking |
| 21:07.42 | darksolace947 | i guess i dont understand, why if i create a translucent background, and paste a image too it, the entire image is showing up translucent |
| 21:07.43 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 21:07.47 | KarlKFI | no, there's a new number |
| 21:08.04 | Thunder_Child | thats more or less what it's called |
| 21:08.13 | Thunder_Child | 4 digit # |
| 21:08.18 | KarlKFI | team rating and a new one which is team rating modified by gear |
| 21:08.46 | KarlKFI | i think |
| 21:08.53 | Thunder_Child | ya, but the name is similar |
| 21:08.57 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 21:09.31 | KarlKFI | team rating is just how mmuhc points your team has tho |
| 21:09.36 | jnwhiteh | whats good for the new number |
| 21:09.50 | KarlKFI | the other one is modified by gear and also by your individual member's highest arena rating |
| 21:10.18 | KarlKFI | the new number is what they use to match teams and generate points earned/lost |
| 21:10.32 | Thunder_Child | the new number really doesnt matter since it can only be seen in the end of round area panel anyway |
| 21:10.44 | Thunder_Child | arena* |
| 21:10.47 | KarlKFI | it's more of an FYI, ya |
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| 21:11.18 | KarlKFI | if you get higher ilvl gear it goes up assuming you're "better" and thus will try to match you with "better" teams |
| 21:11.34 | KarlKFI | and i think it uses all your gear in bags and bank, not just equipped |
| 21:12.23 | KarlKFI | so if you're on your raiding char you're basically fucked, cause it matches you with people with current season pvp gear |
| 21:12.24 | Thunder_Child | eh? so it alters based in pve gear as well? |
| 21:13.20 | KarlKFI | afaik it uses ilvl. unless they made some hidden stat tabulation formulas that are only availible to the arena server |
| 21:13.50 | KarlKFI | and i know it doesn't take into account spec |
| 21:14.01 | KarlKFI | because you can go in with the wrong spec and get the same score |
| 21:14.16 | Thunder_Child | i dunno about that....i have low pvp gear but high pve gear and my 2s team isnt being outclassed |
| 21:14.37 | zenzelezz | maybe you're just better than you think? |
| 21:14.49 | KarlKFI | check the #'s it's giving your team |
| 21:14.57 | Thunder_Child | ~1450 |
| 21:15.04 | KarlKFI | what's your rating? |
| 21:15.11 | Thunder_Child | ~800 |
| 21:15.20 | KarlKFI | yeah, it's counting your pve gear |
| 21:15.25 | Thunder_Child | thats 24 games or so |
| 21:16.20 | Grum | [23:07:35] <darksolace947> i guess i dont understand, why if i create a translucent background, and paste a image too it, the entire image is showing up translucent <-- no you NEED an alpha max |
| 21:16.24 | Grum | *mask |
| 21:16.42 | Hirsute | I've finally got the honor to buy some PvP gear (Never pvpd before, done a bunch of WG lately). Was sorely disappointed when I realized that the current season's gear requires arena ratings *and* honor. |
| 21:16.52 | Grum | that is normal |
| 21:17.08 | Thunder_Child | yep, welcome to notstop BG's |
| 21:17.15 | KarlKFI | it will match you with people who's formula(avg team ilvl, team rating, [individual ratings]) is closest to yours |
| 21:17.49 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: That's the thing. I've started doing BGs, but it seems like to get the good gear, I'll also need to do arena, which is just completely anathema to me. |
| 21:17.55 | darksolace947 | i resaved the image to a translucent bacground and now when i pull it up in wow i can see the image just fine, but its got a large white background. |
| 21:18.13 | Grum | you need to have an alpha mask |
| 21:18.18 | Hirsute | I'd just as soon go back to my PvE bliss and give up on PvP altoegether. |
| 21:18.20 | KarlKFI | darksolace947: are you saving 32 or 24bit? |
| 21:18.20 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, because you can go into a BG in pve gear and dominate |
| 21:18.23 | Grum | an EXPLICIT alpha mask |
| 21:18.24 | darksolace947 | 32 |
| 21:18.26 | Thunder_Child | you can not in arena |
| 21:18.33 | Hirsute | s/altoether/altogether/ |
| 21:18.39 | Grum | you do not save in 32bi ad you did not make an alpha mask :P |
| 21:18.43 | kamdis | Hi Kitty. <3 |
| 21:19.04 | KarlKFI | the idea is that you can get to 1400+ with pve gear then you have to buy the pvp gear |
| 21:19.21 | darksolace947 | sorry for being a bit nub, but how do you create a alpha mask? |
| 21:19.30 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Which is part of why I don't like arena. I could be in the best gear in the game for arena for my class, and still suck horribly at arena. Yeah, I'll just go back to raiding and instancing. |
| 21:19.35 | Grum | google for it darksolace947 |
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| 21:19.52 | KarlKFI | problems i'm having is that i'm the best geared pve pally on the server, so i get matched with people wearing half of more current season pvp gear... |
| 21:20.16 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, it's a skill just like raiding |
| 21:20.22 | KarlKFI | so I cant get past 1400 to even get more than 1 or 2 pvp pieces |
| 21:21.22 | KarlKFI | plus i have raiding gear in 2 specs, which brings my avg ilvl even higher |
| 21:21.35 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: And one that I just can't get the hang of. It took me from beta wow to now to finally start doing PvP at all. I actually enjoy doing WG. I've never enjoyed any of the rest, though. |
| 21:21.55 | Kraps | hey guys, great job on minion so far, just want to know if there are any modules out yet |
| 21:21.57 | Hirsute | It's all good. I'm not really complaining about the system, just whining that I didn't do my research before I got my hopes up. |
| 21:22.05 | KarlKFI | no kraps |
| 21:22.26 | KarlKFI | still beta, no one wants to dev for an api that might change :P |
| 21:22.55 | KarlKFI | go bribe Kaelten |
| 21:22.57 | Hirsute | I believe norganna is working on a module for Auctioneer |
| 21:23.08 | Hirsute | But it isn't ready yet. |
| 21:23.38 | Kraps | Hirsute: if you like short, action packed battles try EOTS |
| 21:23.38 | Kaelten | KarlKFI:? |
| 21:23.50 | KarlKFI | to make a Curse Minion module |
| 21:24.02 | Hirsute | Kraps: I may give it a shot. If nothing else, I'd like to get the mounts, which means I'll be doing some battle grounds. |
| 21:24.03 | Kraps | the others just suck imo |
| 21:24.13 | KarlKFI | Curse's isn't that bad |
| 21:24.29 | Hirsute | I think Kraps was referring to the other BGs |
| 21:24.30 | KarlKFI | more polished than Minion atm |
| 21:24.33 | Thunder_Child | BG's are prolly the most fun in the entire game for me as a healer. In a raid if i mess up in healing people die and it's a problem. in arena is the same thing. but in BG's no one cares. |
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| 21:25.19 | Kaelten | KarlKFI: yeah we're putting all of our resources into the client atm, we'll be reviewing minion support a little further down the line. |
| 21:25.30 | KarlKFI | i figured |
| 21:25.48 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: WEAR R MY HEALZZZZZ |
| 21:25.50 | Hirsute | Kaelten: btw, I still can't shrink the Curse Client down so it fits on my screen on my lappy. |
| 21:25.51 | KarlKFI | does minion support ad sharing from modules? |
| 21:25.59 | Kaelten | Hirsute: :s |
| 21:26.04 | Hirsute | KarlKFI: Yes |
| 21:26.13 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, WAR IZ MY MONIES |
| 21:26.22 | Kaelten | Hirsute: I think you'll find the 4.0 one will fix that issue, and if not, it'll be much easier for us to fix it. |
| 21:26.46 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Dandy! Is there an estimated release for that, or is it still in "soon" status? |
| 21:26.55 | KarlKFI | i like the curse client display a bit better, i personally dont want the wowi news in minion to show, takes up screen space |
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| 21:27.26 | KarlKFI | plus minion doesn't show toc data |
| 21:27.31 | Kaelten | Hirsute: We're hoping to start select beta testing in another 'few weeks' and do a phased testing over the following several weeks |
| 21:27.32 | Thunder_Child | or at least use the news space as info display for addons |
| 21:27.36 | Kraps | KarlKFI: meh, how long do you need it open anyway? |
| 21:27.47 | Kraps | as an end-user |
| 21:27.49 | KarlKFI | that's irrelevent kraps |
| 21:28.05 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Cool. (keep me in mind for that beta test!) |
| 21:28.18 | Kaelten | will do :) |
| 21:28.19 | KarlKFI | it's for updating addons, not news. if i want news i'll open a web or rss client |
| 21:28.41 | Kaelten | The mac one is regretably lagging behind, but that's because I'm having to learn a lot as I go |
| 21:28.47 | Aelo | how do gnomes stay on turtles/bears? :S |
| 21:28.56 | Thunder_Child | with velcro |
| 21:28.58 | KarlKFI | only time i would want news is if it had to do with server availability or something |
| 21:29.06 | Hirsute | Aelo: What TC said |
| 21:29.32 | Aelo | aha crafty lil buggers |
| 21:29.38 | KarlKFI | and that could be covered with a "WARNING: It's patch day, the servers will be slow." |
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| 21:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | stabs fedora multiple times |
| 21:30.29 | KarlKFI | or yeah as Thunder_Child said, have it be news until you click on an addon, then show the addon info |
| 21:30.34 | kd3 | GA's happened. everything's working ok here |
| 21:30.51 | kd3 | just make sure you're using the f11 repos, not rawhide |
| 21:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | No, having problems getting it to upgrade at all |
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| 21:36.29 | Adys | patch today? |
| 21:37.44 | mikma | yes, 3.5.0 |
| 21:39.05 | Thunder_Child | no? |
| 21:39.13 | Thunder_Child | or was it a hotfix |
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| 21:48.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
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| 21:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | is immensely glad all of his user data is kept on a different drive than his OS |
| 21:54.10 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 21:54.11 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 21:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | demands to be kept amused while she cleans. |
| 21:54.22 | Fisker- | slaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:54.33 | AckisWork | slaps Fisker- around for Lopeppeppy's amusment. |
| 21:54.37 | Fisker- | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:54.43 | Lunessa | I want to love minion, I really do... but not until it stops installing goddamned healbot every time I use it. |
| 21:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | And ace2! :) |
| 21:55.07 | theorbtwo | slaps Fisker- around a bit with a vendorfish. |
| 21:55.44 | mikma | i love my update script |
| 21:55.52 | Lunessa | theorbtwo: Don't you mean [Golden Scale Vendorfish]? |
| 21:56.03 | theorbtwo | Er, um, yes. |
| 21:56.43 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, you can read IRC while cleaning? |
| 21:57.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, TC, I pass by it about ever 40 seconds, I'm packing, not really "cleaning" |
| 21:57.56 | theorbtwo | Thunder_Child: Remove chair. Then you can come over to your computer, read a few lines, type something, and keep going. |
| 21:58.10 | theorbtwo | Removing the chair is key. Otherwise, you will sit down, and not leave for quite a while. |
| 22:00.47 | Thunder_Child | this sounds like the voice of experiance |
| 22:01.19 | Thunder_Child | experience* |
| 22:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | :) No chairs in this room. |
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| 22:04.54 | Lunessa | http://www.break.com/index/girl-in-underwear-builds-potato-gun.html |
| 22:05.27 | Lopeppeppy | Great... my coworker is pregnant... maternity leave is going to be a very unfun time. Gosh I miss her already! |
| 22:05.36 | Thunder_Child | why is the URL and title different? |
| 22:06.23 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: solve that by getting pregnant yourself? |
| 22:06.45 | Dagmar | remains silent. |
| 22:08.21 | AckisWork | man she's gonna kill me when she gets back |
| 22:08.29 | AckisWork | unless a nuke is already on its way |
| 22:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, go shoot yourself. |
| 22:09.43 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 22:09.45 | Lopeppeppy | Frequently. |
| 22:09.46 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 22:10.18 | AckisWork | poor ackis |
| 22:10.23 | Fisker- | Well that's what you get for impregnating her |
| 22:10.29 | AckisWork | WHAT |
| 22:10.49 | Fisker- | :D |
| 22:10.52 | Thunder_Child | ~Fisker--- |
| 22:10.56 | Thunder_Child | wuch win there |
| 22:11.00 | Thunder_Child | much* |
| 22:11.30 | Dagmar | Hey, cut the man some slack |
| 22:11.34 | Lopeppeppy | Do I have to give you a good reputation, Fisker? |
| 22:11.39 | AckisWork | do it Lopeppeppy |
| 22:11.41 | Lopeppeppy | Don't mess with a Peppy in full destruction mode. |
| 22:11.43 | Dagmar | At least he didn't say "Well, push her down some stairs or something" |
| 22:12.06 | mikma | ackiswork: i'm sure you'll help lopeppeppy with the pregnancy thingy, right? |
| 22:12.15 | Adys | Dagmar: not a bad idea. |
| 22:12.42 | Dagmar | Adys: We can tell you're a guy now. :) |
| 22:12.46 | AckisWork | my God I hate you all |
| 22:12.51 | Adys | Dagmar: you cant be sure |
| 22:12.56 | Lunessa | feeds Lopeppeppy chocolate and rum. |
| 22:13.04 | AckisWork | Lunessa: what about me? |
| 22:13.17 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Saltpeter and a chastity belt. |
| 22:13.18 | zenzelezz | he feeds you cyanide |
| 22:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy, Lunessa, you can visit any day. |
| 22:13.28 | Dagmar | Adys: I know exactly zero chicks who don't get touchy about the whole pushin' down stairs as a solution to pregnancy thing |
| 22:13.42 | Adys | oh, PREGNANCY |
| 22:13.45 | Adys | I didn't read that |
| 22:14.06 | Lunessa | See, the way to make yourself look like a good man is to smooth things out when another man looks like a douche.. |
| 22:14.18 | Lunessa | But you have to be sincere. |
| 22:14.29 | AckisWork | Lunessa: saltpeter? I don't want to salt my peter |
| 22:14.30 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: they're find with it as long as they guy has his thing chopped off |
| 22:14.33 | zenzelezz | *fine |
| 22:14.41 | Dagmar | I was sincere in my remaining silent earlier becasue I had about five different things spring to mind |
| 22:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | Do not be bad, Dagmar |
| 22:16.12 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: am I bad? |
| 22:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Ackis, you already knew that. |
| 22:18.40 | AckisWork | :( |
| 22:19.34 | Lopeppeppy | How many times have I threatened to tell your gf on you? That is the measure of your badness. |
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| 22:19.42 | Lopeppeppy | And also, you did not come kill the spider for me this morning. |
| 22:20.03 | Osstia | spider spray + plastic cup + time = dead spider |
| 22:20.13 | Osstia | shoot them from a distance, put a cup over them, and wait |
| 22:20.30 | Lopeppeppy | I shot it with Chlorox spray and waited. :) |
| 22:20.41 | Osstia | nicely done |
| 22:20.49 | Osstia | the cup just makes it so you don't have to watch |
| 22:20.56 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you haven't trained your cat to handle them? |
| 22:21.59 | Lopeppeppy | She does for the small ones, zenzelezz, this one was about 2" diameter, it would have eaten her. |
| 22:22.49 | zenzelezz | <Lopeppeppy> She does for the small ones, zenzelezz, this one was about 2" diameter <--- ... |
| 22:23.18 | Lopeppeppy | That's not small for around here, dear, I live in cold weather, we don't get spiders that big. |
| 22:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, wedding invitations. |
| 22:23.37 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you clearly didn't read it the way I did |
| 22:24.41 | Dagmar | Why wait for a cup to work... Try new and improved Tennis Shoe! |
| 22:24.51 | Lopeppeppy | It was wedged in a corner. |
| 22:25.46 | Lunessa | So she resorted to chemical warfare and used chlorine. |
| 22:26.22 | nicoli_s | i use shotguns to kill my spiders |
| 22:26.23 | zenzelezz | not unlike when guys get too intrusive |
| 22:26.31 | nicoli_s | except for the big ones, i use muh kittuns |
| 22:26.43 | Lopeppeppy | Better living through chemicals, says I. |
| 22:27.01 | zenzelezz | tsk tsk |
| 22:27.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing wrong with that |
| 22:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | It's fun shredding TKFT's stuff. |
| 22:28.36 | Lopeppeppy | I should have done this a lot earlier! |
| 22:29.00 | AckisWork | throws a spider on Lopeppeppy |
| 22:29.23 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I'm not afraid of spiders. |
| 22:29.45 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't like that particular huge monster at 5:30 when it leapt off a wall at me though, and thus the prejudice |
| 22:30.01 | zenzelezz | well can you blame it? |
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| 22:31.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, nice, this one has his IRA account and PIN on it. Wonder if he changed those. |
| 22:32.12 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing that's not the Irish IRA? |
| 22:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 22:33.51 | Thunder_Child | thats what i thought |
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| 22:57.41 | dardack | can you destroy an item in the loot window? |
| 22:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | I think you have to loot it first |
| 22:59.30 | Thunder_Child | iritating but truw |
| 22:59.33 | Thunder_Child | true* |
| 22:59.44 | dardack | can you put it on the cursor and delete it that way? |
| 22:59.53 | KarlKFI | no |
| 22:59.58 | Legorol | the cursor never holds an item |
| 23:00.01 | Zyndrome | no, but god do we wish you could |
| 23:00.10 | Legorol | it only ever holds a reference to an item in a different spot, such as in the bag or bank |
| 23:00.24 | Lunessa | All we want to do is eat your brains. We're not unreasonable; I mean no one's going to eat your eyes. |
| 23:00.24 | Zyndrome | wtb Discard-button in the loot window :/ |
| 23:00.34 | dardack | Zyndrome: amen |
| 23:00.35 | KarlKFI | you have to loot it, wait for the looted event, then find it in your bags and delete it |
| 23:01.07 | Cralor` | would foo return "foo"? http://pastey.net/115734 |
| 23:01.08 | KarlKFI | and there's a half dozen addons that let you automate that in one way or another |
| 23:01.47 | theorbtwo | Mind recommending one? I have that problem all the time. |
| 23:01.58 | theorbtwo | You can't skin something that still has normal items on it. |
| 23:02.09 | Hirsute-Home | The fact that the cursor never holds an item has been a source of endless headaches as I've tried to explain why Auctioneer works the way it does wrt stack splitting to users. |
| 23:03.12 | KarlKFI | the cursor holding anything is purely gui, and has nothign to do with the backend, because there is no cursor item or cursor spell, just a reference |
| 23:03.57 | Hirsute-Home | KarlKFI: Oh, I understand that. Explaining it to users who insist that their stack of 3 that they just split from their stack of 20 is right there in front of them on their cursor, on the other hand, can be difficult. |
| 23:04.19 | KarlKFI | aye |
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| 23:07.13 | dardack | ok i say deleteccursoritem but it looks like it's internal use for when someone types the DELETE word for epics or what not |
| 23:07.46 | Legorol | dardack: it doesn't matter what API functions you find. There is no item *on* the cursor. Full stop :) |
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| 23:13.20 | dardack | ok thank you, i've written a mod to auto loot everything (even bop except when in agroup) and ignore certain items in a blacklist, but sometimes i have aoe'd so many mobs down that i can't loot some on the bottom if the ones on top have that item |
| 23:13.38 | Legorol | right |
| 23:14.14 | Legorol | i wonder how you manage to selectively loot only items that you are interested in? |
| 23:14.26 | Legorol | i thought that addons can't initiate looting of individual items |
| 23:14.38 | dardack | you can look at my code if you want |
| 23:14.39 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, still think vindication is worth it with the nerf? |
| 23:14.44 | KarlKFI | meh |
| 23:14.49 | KarlKFI | stupid nerf... |
| 23:14.56 | Thunder_Child | that sir is not an answer |
| 23:14.57 | KarlKFI | i'm gonna kill whoever thought that one up |
| 23:15.21 | KarlKFI | i dunno |
| 23:15.48 | Kirov | There's one really really big bug with the DELETE static popup |
| 23:15.55 | KarlKFI | it no longer decrease the ttl of your opponents. it only decreases the physical dmg they do |
| 23:16.08 | KarlKFI | so no, prolly not worth iy |
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| 23:16.10 | KarlKFI | it |
| 23:16.11 | Thunder_Child | or mana regen |
| 23:16.22 | Kirov | If you get a delete prompt, then change the item on your cursor, it'll happily delete that item. |
| 23:16.30 | Thunder_Child | and it doesnt kill dmg for casters at all |
| 23:16.55 | KarlKFI | it decreases their spirit, yes, but do your enemies regularly survive 5s of non-casting? |
| 23:17.02 | dardack | Legorol: i set up a table ie: blacklist { "alterac swiss" = alterac swiss, etc. } than on loot open fire, it loops through i= 1 to GetNumLootItems() , than it calls GetLootSlotInfo(i), checks the item name to the blacklist and if not true LootSlot(i), it also hides the BoP and ConfirmLootSlot, if not in a group ofcourse |
| 23:17.54 | Legorol | right, that's the surprising part for me :) |
| 23:17.57 | KarlKFI | so it basically onyl affects warriors, rogues, ret pallies, dks and hunters |
| 23:18.01 | Legorol | it used to be that AddOns can't call LootSlot(i) |
| 23:18.08 | dardack | oh |
| 23:18.09 | Legorol | they must've allowed that at some point |
| 23:18.20 | KarlKFI | provided he's actually tested it |
| 23:18.47 | KarlKFI | !api LootSlot |
| 23:18.47 | lua_bot | LootSlot: Attempts to pick up an item available as loot (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/LootSlot) |
| 23:19.02 | dardack | so wish there was a way to auto delete that item, question tho does LootSlot return true if successful? what happens if iventory is full |
| 23:19.06 | Legorol | I know KarlKFI, but back in the days you couldn't use it form an AddOn |
| 23:19.25 | KarlKFI | i remember |
| 23:19.34 | Legorol | dardack: i don't think LootSlot does more than the equivalent of clicking the item |
| 23:19.45 | Legorol | any errors or successes are handled via subsequent events that fire |
| 23:19.56 | dardack | ahh |
| 23:20.05 | Legorol | i should rephrase that |
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| 23:20.09 | dardack | i could check to see how many bag spaces are left |
| 23:20.12 | Legorol | clicking on an item just calls LootSlot |
| 23:20.18 | Legorol | and all that does is send a request to the server |
| 23:20.45 | KarlKFI | Thunder_Child: meh, prolly not worth it any more |
| 23:20.59 | KarlKFI | it's about as useless as eye for an eye now |
| 23:20.59 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, ok, thats what i thought |
| 23:21.28 | KarlKFI | not sure why they're nerfing ret pvp |
| 23:21.30 | Cralor` | RUNE_POWER_UPDATE has an arg1 which gives the rune it is referencing to. why would this value be from 1 to 8? i thought runes were from 1 to 6? |
| 23:21.39 | Cralor` | would that be because of 2 death runes? |
| 23:21.40 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, did you read the explination? |
| 23:21.58 | KarlKFI | yes, but is didn't say did it? it just said it wouldnt' effect pve |
| 23:22.35 | Thunder_Child | not that i read |
| 23:22.46 | KarlKFI | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/5/17631617432-vindication-talent-change.html |
| 23:23.26 | Thunder_Child | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/5/17631617432-vindication-talent-change.html |
| 23:23.26 | KarlKFI | it's some bullshit QQ |
| 23:23.26 | dardack | is there a quik call to see how many bags spaces are left? |
| 23:23.32 | KarlKFI | "Increasingly it felt like someone playing against a Ret-Pally really only had 60% of their health bar because Vindication took away 20% from the start and then Hammer of Wrath kicked in when they had 20% left." |
| 23:23.38 | KarlKFI | not really an excuse at all |
| 23:23.44 | KarlKFI | QQ is all i hear |
| 23:23.54 | Thunder_Child | isnt execute just like HoW? |
| 23:23.58 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 23:24.15 | KarlKFI | pretty much exactly |
| 23:24.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nerf that then, beeeotches |
| 23:24.22 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 23:24.26 | Hirsute-Home | Except that Warriors don't have anything like Vindication |
| 23:24.48 | KarlKFI | so what... it's one of the things that makes pallies unique |
| 23:24.50 | Hirsute-Home | So the vindication nerf puts Ret and Warriors on more equal ground than before |
| 23:24.53 | Thunder_Child | right but the HoW should be removed from the equasion |
| 23:25.05 | Hirsute-Home | So saying "nerf execute" has no bearing on their reasoning. |
| 23:25.10 | Aelobin | dardack: guessing there must be as you can show the number over the backpack icon :P |
| 23:25.21 | dardack | yea i can't find it |
| 23:25.28 | dardack | i keep searching but my keyword must be wrong |
| 23:26.13 | KarlKFI | were pallies doing exceptionally well in the arenas this sseason or something? |
| 23:26.30 | KarlKFI | cause "it felt like..." is a bullshit excuse for a nurf if ever i heard one |
| 23:26.57 | Thunder_Child | i think it said they were in the lower tiers |
| 23:27.26 | KarlKFI | if they want to make it not effect lower tiers put it higher in the tree.... |
| 23:28.01 | Hirsute-Home | That's not what they said, they just said that's where the need for balance (from their pov) was most obvious |
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| 23:28.39 | Thunder_Child | lower arena tiers KarlKFI |
| 23:28.56 | KarlKFI | oh lol |
| 23:28.58 | Thunder_Child | " especially in the lower arena brackets where they are very prominent," |
| 23:29.01 | dardack | ok GetContainerFreeSlots returns a table tho |
| 23:29.09 | KarlKFI | so liek 2v2 and 3v3? |
| 23:29.17 | KarlKFI | or less points... |
| 23:29.20 | Thunder_Child | no, i think they mean when starting out |
| 23:29.39 | KarlKFI | so before you have uber pvp stam items... |
| 23:29.52 | dardack | nvm GetContainerNumFreeSlots |
| 23:30.03 | Thunder_Child | or rather before you have the option for uber pvp items |
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| 23:30.48 | KarlKFI | i need a priest for 2s |
| 23:30.55 | Thunder_Child | thats what i do |
| 23:31.00 | KarlKFI | either that or priests need to get hella nurfed |
| 23:31.06 | KarlKFI | one of the two |
| 23:31.24 | KarlKFI | the only disc priest in my guild hates pvp |
| 23:32.29 | Thunder_Child | eh? i dont think i am broken in 2v's |
| 23:33.08 | KarlKFI | they also added a Hammer of Justice nurf too |
| 23:33.25 | Cralor` | ok, why would line 6 return error " index ? value"? http://pastey.net/115737 |
| 23:33.30 | KarlKFI | When immune to the stun of following abilities, Maim, Bash, and Hammer of Justice will no longer cause player spells to be interrupted but they will still interrupt NPCs. |
| 23:33.50 | KarlKFI | but that one's not as bad |
| 23:33.59 | Cralor` | oh woops haha |
| 23:34.02 | KarlKFI | i can live with that, but the vindication nerf makes me angry |
| 23:34.03 | Cralor` | silly mistake |
| 23:35.52 | Hirsute-Home | Here's more on the vindication nerf: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/17615565589-the-vindication-nerf-was-so-stupid.html |
| 23:36.14 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/09/funny-pictures-it-looks-like-2/ |
| 23:36.45 | Thunder_Child | oh? one ability makes it = to the best players? hmm.. |
| 23:37.04 | Aelobin | Lunessa: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/21/funny-pictures-quick-hide-teh-body/ |
| 23:37.33 | kd3 | har. fark: "NORAD plans F-16 exercises over DC tomorrow. EVERYBODY PRACTICE PANICKING [Interesting]" |
| 23:38.11 | dardack | ok anyone know the api to delete an item in your bags? |
| 23:38.15 | KarlKFI | counter = cleanse? |
| 23:38.26 | Hirsute-Home | Again, not what was said. They said that any ability that dominates the newbies but doesn't much affect the elite players needs balancing. |
| 23:38.28 | Cralor` | !api GetRuneCooldown |
| 23:38.28 | lua_bot | GetRuneCooldown: Returns cooldown information about one of the player's rune resources (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRuneCooldown) |
| 23:39.26 | KarlKFI | why yes, you're right, it DOES need balancing. You SHOULD have made it take away MORE STAM on high resil targets. |
| 23:39.30 | Lunessa | Correct - Once any ability becomes the "MUST HAVE" ability or the one that every single person specs for if they want to win, something is wrong with the design or balance. |
| 23:39.47 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute-Home, except they didnt balance it, they removed it |
| 23:40.10 | KarlKFI | Lunessa: that's not really fair, since pally trees are full of those |
| 23:40.24 | KarlKFI | Lunessa: you have to spec crusader stike for instance |
| 23:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | They did take out Kings... but yeah, we've always needed specific talent builds to be successful. |
| 23:40.39 | Hirsute-Home | Thunder_Child: Sounds to me like what they did was balance the low end down so that it's about as effective among newbies as it is among the more elite. |
| 23:40.39 | Lunessa | All the trees for nearly every class is like that. |
| 23:41.02 | Lunessa | So fundamentally, something is wrong with talent designs. It's more evident in PvP. |
| 23:41.04 | dardack | so when you loot an item the arg1 doesn't specify the bag/slot it was placed in huh? |
| 23:41.05 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute-Home, except it was mostly taken for the stam reduction, not any of the other stats |
| 23:41.12 | Thunder_Child | they were just frosting |
| 23:41.33 | Hirsute-Home | And it sounds like the stam reduction was what made it dominate in the lower brackets. |
| 23:41.36 | Lunessa | For example, how many competitive fire or arcane mages do you see for Arena? |
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| 23:41.57 | KarlKFI | i dont see how the stam made it dominate lower brackets if it's a % of your hp |
| 23:42.01 | Thunder_Child | right, so they didnt balance the ability they removed it |
| 23:42.09 | KarlKFI | if you have more stam it takes more of your hp away.... |
| 23:42.30 | theorbtwo | That's not a huge issue -- *if* it doesn't mean you need to pick a specific class or tree, I think, because you can move things around such that you pick a different ability within your tree without *extreme* pain. |
| 23:42.52 | Hirsute-Home | Thunder_Child: Or, from their perspective, the made it no longer be overpowered in the lower brackets, but rather affect the lower brackets more similarly to how it affects the higher ones. |
| 23:42.56 | theorbtwo | Picking a different tree is harder; you have to start from zero conceptually as well as physically. |
| 23:43.04 | KarlKFI | they've now nerfd like 2/3 of our ret pvp talents |
| 23:43.05 | theorbtwo | Changing class is horribly painful. |
| 23:44.09 | KarlKFI | on the plus side it means i can put those 2 talents elsewhere |
| 23:44.18 | KarlKFI | cause they're useless now |
| 23:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 23:45.29 | Thunder_Child | i put mine into devine guardian |
| 23:45.48 | KarlKFI | aye, the shield durration helps |
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| 23:46.01 | KarlKFI | the extra 10% dmg redux onyl rly helps in pvp |
| 23:46.05 | KarlKFI | er |
| 23:46.07 | KarlKFI | 5s |
| 23:46.31 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZqGzhrZVrbxbIuGdIbsu:VhZzM0 |
| 23:46.40 | Thunder_Child | seems to be the best all around |
| 23:46.45 | KarlKFI | dunno imp devo might be worth it if you pvp witha healer |
| 23:47.06 | KarlKFI | for 4% more healing |
| 23:47.31 | brykrys | I'm having trouble logging in to curse or curseforge - I've reset the password, copied/pasted the new one from the email , not luck. Anyone any ideas? |
| 23:47.56 | KarlKFI | wish i could get up to sacred duty |
| 23:48.25 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 23:48.50 | KarlKFI | that'd be so hax pvp |
| 23:49.08 | KarlKFI | but youd have to give up divine storm |
| 23:49.33 | KarlKFI | and vengence |
| 23:50.34 | Jamash | brykrys: try #curseforge |
| 23:50.52 | brykrys | thanks |
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| 23:52.23 | laeg | lol i just got a horde in shat to follow me and jump off aldor rise on out mounts |
| 23:52.33 | laeg | he didn't have a parchute cape :) |
| 23:56.01 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://mymilktoof.blogspot.com/ |
