IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090601

`00:00.10`	`Shirik`	`I just went out and bought $200 headphones for work`
`00:00.13`	`Cairenn`	`nice`
`00:00.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`link?`
`00:00.58`	`Shirik`	`I'm not going out and trying to find them on this connection`
`00:01.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`brand/model? ;)`
`00:01.14`	`Shirik`	`they're nice, but they have one really strange issue`
`00:01.28`	`Shirik`	`when noise cancellation is turned on, the right ear seems quieter than the left`
`00:01.37`	`Shirik`	`however that's corrected by adjusting balance on the computer, no big deal`
`00:01.49`	`Shirik`	`sony mdr-nc60`
`00:02.28`	`Shirik`	`and now I'm trying to update steam on this connection, lawl`
`00:02.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`amazon has them at 40% off`
`00:02.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`$122`
`00:02.56`	`Shirik`	`yeah fu I needed them now`
`00:03.07`	`Shirik`	`my headphones were killing me at work`
`00:03.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
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`00:06.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've debated noise canceling, but they just never seemed worth it`
`00:06.39`	`Shirik`	`on a plane it's a godsend`
`00:06.44`	`Shirik`	`even if you're not actually listening to anything`
`00:07.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The last time I used them was on a plane`
`00:08.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And honestly the only thing I got out of the noise canceling "features" was a steady, annoying, high pitched whine`
`00:08.40`	`Shirik`	`really?`
`00:08.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yup`
`00:08.45`	`Shirik`	`then yours was broken :)`
`00:08.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`possibly`
`00:09.00`	`Shirik`	`I spent a lot of time in my DSP working with noise cancelling technology`
`00:09.12`	`Shirik`	`it's easy to get to work, difficult to master`
`00:09.21`	`Shirik`	`but these companies spend their entire time working on something like that, not the few weeks I had :)`
`00:09.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Maybe if I tried some newer ones, they'd be better`
`00:09.45`	`Shirik`	`but even mine didn't have a "steady, annoying, high pitched whine"`
`00:09.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But I can also hear things like TVs that are on but muted`
`00:10.12`	`Shirik`	`well don't expect it to be 100%`
`00:10.17`	`Shirik`	`because it won't be`
`00:10.30`	`Shirik`	`All real filters are causal, and that's what noise cancelling is, just a filter`
`00:10.47`	`Shirik`	`the only way to eliminate it 100% would be to have a zero response time, and that's non-causal`
`00:10.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`where did that wiki page go`
`00:11.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`is there a macro conditional to see if your target is a vehicle?`
`00:11.51`	`Shirik`	`omg updating steam 54%`
`00:11.54`	`Shirik`	`!!`
`00:13.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`There we go`
`00:13.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_frequency`
`00:13.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can hear all of those`
`00:13.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So things like people leaving the TV on, but on a black screen just bugs me`
`00:14.47`	`foxlit`	`Get a better TV.`
`00:15.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`does that happen on LCD's or just tubes?`
`00:15.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`tubes`
`00:15.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`thought so`
`00:15.21`	`foxlit`	`Frequencies vary.`
`00:15.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Of which we have 4 in the house`
`00:15.24`	`Shirik`	`Actually, ScytheBlade1, I'm with you on that one`
`00:15.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yes, yes they do`
`00:15.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`I'm down to 1`
`00:15.30`	`Shirik`	`people think I'm crazy`
`00:15.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh`
`00:15.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You're not crazy`
`00:15.41`	`foxlit`	`You can probably find one you can't hear. Anyhow, old age will take care of things.`
`00:15.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`and it has nothing hooked up to it so it's never blank`
`00:15.48`	`Shirik`	`it's really annoying`
`00:15.54`	`Shirik`	`however, any headphones that cannot process what you can hear just plain suck`
`00:16.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`My dad is deaf, and was walking through the room once when I was going to turn a TV off`
`00:16.05`	`Shirik`	`any correctly created noise cancelling headphones should have their DSP computing at 41khz+`
`00:16.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He asked me what i was doing, I told him`
`00:16.11`	`Shirik`	`which aliases at 20.5khz`
`00:16.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He went, "really? They make a noise?"`
`00:16.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That had been irking me for a good 30m before I got sick of it`
`00:16.38`	`foxlit`	`Loss of higher frequency hearing is a well known effect of age :)`
`00:16.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He's been deaf since he was 2, so not in his case`
`00:17.36`	`foxlit`	`Hm, I failed at parsing one of the previous lines.`
`00:18.09`	`batrick`	`Shirik: ping`
`00:18.26`	`Shirik`	`batrick: pong`
`00:18.35`	`batrick`	`Think you'll go to lua workshop this year?`
`00:18.48`	`Shirik`	`probably not`
`00:18.55`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`00:18.58`	`batrick`	`: (`
`00:19.11`	`Shirik`	`are you?`
`00:19.21`	`batrick`	`i'm seriously thinking about it`
`00:19.29`	`batrick`	`maybe I can get my uni to pay should I give a talk`
`00:19.36`	`Shirik`	`I can try to, but I tend to run into schedule issues`
`00:19.48`	`Shirik`	`last year it was really last-minute`
`00:21.12`	`batrick`	`they might have a high turn out because of piggy backing on those two big conferences`
`00:21.30`	`batrick`	`I'm not personally interested in either tho... game design and graphics`
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`00:33.02`	`Shirik`	`man, steam sucks on slow connections`
`00:33.16`	`Shirik`	`it locks up the UI while trying to verify your username and password? What kind of design is that`
`00:33.50`	`WhiteWolf`	`i'm just glad the steam team doesn't work on the engines`
`00:34.47`	`haste`	`I think they do!`
`00:34.55`	`haste`	`based on how shitty the source engine is`
`00:35.03`	`Shirik`	`ouch`
`00:35.20`	`Shirik`	`omg more updates`
`00:35.21`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`00:35.27`	`Shirik`	`I'm never going to get to play my game :<`
`00:35.29`	`haste`	`get used to it`
`00:35.42`	`Shirik`	`I would be used to it if I had internet`
`00:36.00`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: which game?`
`00:36.10`	`Shirik`	`however, the requirement of high-speed internet for a single player game is just moronic`
`00:36.17`	`Shirik`	`left 4 dead`
`00:37.25`	`Iriel`	`One would be hard-pressed to call that 'single player'`
`00:37.38`	`Iriel`	`And I believe you can (once activated) happily tell steam to stop usingt he connection`
`00:37.38`	`Shirik`	`hm?`
`00:37.57`	`Shirik`	`yes, but to activate...`
`00:38.50`	`Iriel`	`I dunno, I rather like the steam model, but then I have several machines upon which I might play`
`00:39.08`	`Shirik`	`yes that's nice`
`00:39.55`	`Shirik`	`I just wish for something closer to windows installation`
`00:39.55`	`Shirik`	`you have 30 days to activate over steam`
`00:39.55`	`Shirik`	`otherwise it shuts down`
`00:39.55`	`Shirik`	`that would be fine`
`00:41.42`	`Etanol`	`Shirik = nil`
`00:41.43`	`Etanol`	`kthx`
`00:42.03`	`Shirik`	`no stop that`
`00:42.19`	`mikma`	`is there a way to "dim" button without SetColor?`
`00:42.31`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Itd have to depend on the title, for example many single player games can be finished by a motivated player in a few days (and those are often the ones who'd belikely to 'game' the system)`
`00:42.42`	`Iriel`	`mikma: Can you use SetVertexColor?`
`00:42.48`	`Shirik`	`setmetatable(Shirik, {__gc = function(self) print("no stop that"); _G.Shirik = self end})`
`00:42.56`	`AnduinLothar`	`is there a vehicle macro condition?`
`00:43.48`	`foxlit`	`AnduinLothar: no.`
`00:43.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`should be...`
`00:44.03`	`foxlit`	`It's almost as if you expect the macro conditional system to care about you. :)`
`00:44.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`i do`
`00:44.10`	`foxlit`	`It's a ruthless soul-consuming void.`
`00:44.14`	`Zhinjio`	`foxlit: I'm going to start writing you love letters`
`00:44.24`	`Zhinjio`	`the latest opie is jsut awesome.`
`00:44.28`	`mikma`	`iriel: sure, but was hoping there would be another way :D hehe`
`00:44.45`	`foxlit`	`Zhinjio: :)`
`00:44.55`	`Zhinjio`	`I have a question...`
`00:45.02`	`Zhinjio`	`with using nested pies`
`00:45.09`	`Zhinjio`	`(which ... drool ... is just awesome.)`
`00:45.12`	`Shirik`	`mmm pie`
`00:45.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mmm.. pi...`
`00:45.24`	`foxlit`	`mmm nested pies, surely.`
`00:45.35`	`Zhinjio`	`when I move the cursor to the secondary pie... its hard to select the icons closest to the central pie.`
`00:45.45`	`Zhinjio`	`it seems to just default to the one thats on the inner ring`
`00:45.50`	`Wobin`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA <-- win`
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`00:46.22`	`foxlit`	`Indeed.`
`00:46.22`	`Shirik`	`......`
`00:46.22`	`Shirik`	`screw my school email too`
`00:46.22`	`Shirik`	`Log in, wait 5 minutes for page to load, page fails to load partially so I hit refresh, "Session timed out, please log in"`
`00:46.28`	`foxlit`	`Only the inner ring is real.`
`00:46.29`	`Zhinjio`	`somehow I was expect the little ring with the arrow in it to "move" with the cursor to the sub pie.`
`00:46.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`~vs cake pie`
`00:46.35`	`purl`	`in a one on one showdown, cake wins.`
`00:46.36`	`Shirik`	`does nobody care about slow connections anymore? :(`
`00:46.36`	`Zhinjio`	`oh.`
`00:47.05`	`foxlit`	`Wobin: I demand an mp3`
`00:47.56`	`foxlit`	`Internally, I call the additional rings that appear ghosts.`
`00:48.09`	`Zhinjio`	`ok`
`00:48.10`	`Wobin`	`It started out as Hogwarts, now it's Lord of the Flies`
`00:48.26`	`Iriel`	`mikma: you could stick a translucent mask on top of it`
`00:48.28`	`foxlit`	`I don't think that convention has ever made it anywhere visible, but the point is that you can't actually interact that. It's a problem stemming from the fact that I only have your mouse position to judge things on`
`00:48.36`	`haste`	`I'll pose like Rocky tonight!`
`00:49.40`	`Shirik`	`ok bibi`
`00:49.42`	`Zhinjio`	`I wonder if creating ... like.. "dummy entries in first, say... 120 degrees closest to the inner ring would push the "real" entries on the ghost out enough to make the mouse clicks distinct in the ghost`
`00:50.02`	`Zhinjio`	`does that make any sense?`
`00:50.25`	`Zhinjio`	`like force the ghost to have a 120 degree "empty" arc closest to the real ring`
`00:50.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shirik: only when you're stuck with one does one care ;p`
`00:50.50`	`foxlit`	`That'd require a huge radius.`
`00:50.58`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah`
`00:51.09`	`Zhinjio`	`especially for rings that had alot of icons`
`00:51.52`	`Zhinjio`	`I may try and do that by hand by putting empty icons on the ghost rings to see how well it works`
`00:52.04`	`Zhinjio`	`and force the real ones to the outside using rotation`
`00:54.06`	`foxlit`	`At that point, are you really accomplishing anything better than putting all the slices into the root ring?`
`00:54.13`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`00:54.25`	`Zhinjio`	`perhaps organizationally, but otherwise, no`
`00:54.35`	`Zhinjio`	`but if thats true, why bother adding nested rings?`
`00:54.36`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
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`00:55.38`	`foxlit`	`Hm, you could accomplish having slightly different angles per slice.`
`00:55.47`	`foxlit`	`But that isn't very... exciting.`
`00:56.17`	`foxlit`	`"The intention is more to let you select an action that you'll select before use (based on group composition?) and then repeatedly use."`
`00:56.46`	`Zhinjio`	`totems, et al`
`00:56.59`	`foxlit`	`Raid marks, perhaps quest items.`
`00:57.09`	`Zhinjio`	`nods.`
`00:57.26`	`foxlit`	`You could conserve keybinds, but I can't imagine anyone that desperate`
`00:58.11`	`Zhinjio`	`well, I want everything on one keybind, ultimately`
`00:58.21`	`Zhinjio`	`the "in combat/out of combat" helps that tremendously`
`00:58.45`	`foxlit`	`Something I definitely don't put enough testing in. Does that work (properly)?`
`00:59.59`	`Zhinjio`	`it was a bit awkward to set it, and I haven't tried the in-combat ring yet`
`01:00.02`	`Zhinjio`	`but Iwill shortly`
`01:01.39`	`foxlit`	`Could probably move it to bindings rather than custom rings`
`01:01.54`	`Zhinjio`	`agreed`
`01:02.17`	`Zhinjio`	`thats a redundancy that is probably not needed`
`01:03.01`	`foxlit`	`The semantics are slightly different.`
`01:03.43`	`foxlit`	`Bindings sets your personal override binding; custom rings sets the ring default binding.`
`01:03.47`	`Zhinjio`	`also... when you add a new ring, it doesn't appear in the bindings menu or the "and ring as slice" menus until you close and open the config`
`01:03.50`	`Zhinjio`	`just gyi`
`01:03.52`	`Zhinjio`	`er, fyi`
`01:04.08`	`foxlit`	`Until you close or open the config, I think.`
`01:04.15`	`Zhinjio`	`right`
`01:04.37`	`Zhinjio`	`I take it those menus don't generate on the fly`
`01:04.49`	`foxlit`	`There's a sync issue there: I don't commit to changing custom rings until you actually say "Okay". There used to be a save button, but that was evil.`
`01:05.00`	`Zhinjio`	`smiles.`
`01:05.55`	`foxlit`	`The other config panes behave differently: changes are immediate but reverted if you cancel.`
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`01:12.40`	`Zhinjio`	`what if the ghost ring wasn't a ring at all, but just a "spoke" that stuck out?`
`01:13.10`	`Zhinjio`	`I mean, I would have no problem limiting the number of icons on the ghost ring to be smaller, say 3-6 items`
`01:13.19`	`Zhinjio`	`so that it was still viable`
`01:13.37`	`Zhinjio`	`then you could judge the icon clicked based on radial distance from the inner ring edge`
`01:14.10`	`Zhinjio`	`it isn't visually as pleasant, but it would decidedly more usable.`
`01:15.33`	`foxlit`	`Fixes some issues, breaks some metaphors.`
`01:15.44`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`01:15.46`	`Zhinjio`	`indeed`
`01:16.17`	`foxlit`	`some sort of cross bar would probably be the easiest interface for two-dimensional selection`
`01:16.21`	`Zhinjio`	`did you ever use cryolysis or necrolysis?`
`01:17.10`	`Zhinjio`	`they "ghost" in those cases was just a line of icons extending out from the inner ring, to right or left.`
`01:17.11`	`foxlit`	`Seen it and various derivatives.`
`01:17.14`	`Zhinjio`	`nods.`
`01:17.35`	`foxlit`	`The problem is, they's a straight up "point at button, click" sort of thing.`
`01:17.43`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah`
`01:17.55`	`Zhinjio`	`I wasn't trying to say you should do that, just drawing an analogy`
`01:18.16`	`foxlit`	`Mm, I appreciate the comments :)`
`01:18.38`	`foxlit`	`Actually, you should post them in a comment -- I can keep track of those marginally better.`
`01:18.45`	`Zhinjio`	`hehehe`
`01:19.19`	`Zhinjio`	`I'll try to get to that a bit later`
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`01:19.55`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`ok I take it back`
`01:19.59`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`steam sucks`
`01:25.13`	`Shirik`	`start steam in offline mode`
`01:25.28`	`Shirik`	`"Could not connect to the steam network. <Application quits>"`
`01:26.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`the idea doesnt suck but the execution does`
`01:27.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`i wonder how blizz implements it`
`01:27.41`	`mikma`	`uninstalls the game`
`01:28.08`	`Shirik`	`implements what?`
`01:29.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.wikimaniacs.com/wii-fit/`
`01:30.38`	`ZorbaTHut`	`thunder, it may take it a minute to adjust. also, group quests are calculated to have a higher "level" than they may otherwise indicate.`
`01:32.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`is there a way to set an attribute on a child button whenever a SecureGroupHeaderTemplate makes one?`
`01:32.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, it had to restart to work`
`01:33.15`	`ZorbaTHut`	`thunder, that's curious. do you have your perf set very low or something?`
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`01:33.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, actualy it still isnt working...it's showing 3 lvl 30 quests`
`01:33.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`and i am 25 with it set to +4`
`01:34.15`	`ZorbaTHut`	`do you have the level filter on? "/qh filter level"`
`01:34.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes`
`01:36.03`	`ZorbaTHut`	`are the level30 quests it shows quests that you've completed the objectives of? gimme a screenshot of your tracker, ideally with "/qh filter" showing in your chat`
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`01:41.03`	`Adys`	`anyone familiar with git? How do I rebase my tree to a certain tag?`
`01:41.35`	`ZorbaTHut`	`"git rebase tag", I believe`
`01:41.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/WoWScrnShot_053109_183646.jpg`
`01:41.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`that work?`
`01:41.44`	`Adys`	`did that, didnt work, ZorbaTHut`
`01:41.52`	`Adys`	`adys@azura:~/src/wine$ git rebase wine-1.1.20`
`01:41.53`	`Adys`	`Current branch master is up to date.`
`01:42.04`	`Adys`	`(current tag is way ahead)`
`01:42.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`git checkout wine-1.1.20`
`01:42.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you want to jump to that tag`
`01:42.54`	`Adys`	`thanks :)`
`01:43.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`git tag`
`01:43.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`will list all possible tags`
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`01:44.46`	`ZorbaTHut`	`huh, curious`
`01:45.04`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it's the first report of that that I've had, so I'm tempted to say you're doing something wrong, though I'm not sure what :P`
`01:45.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`me to`
`01:45.17`	`ZorbaTHut`	`what's your /qh perf set to?`
`01:46.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`foxlit`
`01:46.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`f:SetAttribute("toggleForVehicle", true)`
`01:46.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`[06:45] QuestHelper: Current performance factor scale is 100%.`
`01:46.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`= win`
`01:46.35`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yup, shouldn't be a problem there`
`01:47.57`	`dardack`	`adys: any reason you grabbing 1.1.20?`
`01:48.11`	`Adys`	`trying to find a regression with screenshots in d3`
`01:48.11`	`Adys`	`d`
`01:48.52`	`dardack`	`oh i'm sy 1.12 but run in opengl`
`01:48.53`	`dardack`	`so no idea`
`01:49.03`	`Adys`	`1.12?`
`01:49.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: when I first read that, I thought you were talking about diablo3 :p`
`01:49.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh, same`
`01:50.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I was thinking, "wtfu, SHARE`
`01:50.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"`
`01:50.04`	`Adys`	`.. diablo 3?`
`01:50.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`d3`
`01:50.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`diable 3`
`01:50.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/e/o/`
`01:50.15`	`Adys`	`lmao`
`01:50.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`xD`
`01:50.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`man my typing is terrible right now`
`01:50.33`	`sacarasc`	`Is wine any good with d3d yet?`
`01:50.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`and our need for d3, too`
`01:50.34`	`dardack`	`sorry 1.1.12`
`01:51.04`	`dardack`	`um they are impoving d3d, but still not like opengl`
`01:51.43`	`Adys`	`it is`
`01:51.58`	`dardack`	`it is?`
`01:52.05`	`dardack`	`i'm downloading 1.1.22 right now`
`01:52.11`	`Adys`	`after .21 theres a lot of improvements`
`01:52.12`	`dardack`	`gotta aply my mouse patch and check it out`
`01:52.26`	`Adys`	`what for? d3d has hwc`
`01:52.31`	`sacarasc`	`Package wine-1.1.15-x86_64_slamd64-1_SBo upgraded with new package /tmp/wine-1.1.22-x86_64_slamd64-1_SBo.tgz.`
`01:52.31`	`sacarasc`	`Let's have a little look...`
`01:52.33`	`dardack`	`but opengl doesn't`
`01:52.52`	`dardack`	`how many fps you getting in .22?`
`01:52.55`	`dardack`	`or .21 in d3d`
`01:53.03`	`Adys`	`in d3d over 50 fps`
`01:53.41`	`dardack`	`holy crap`
`01:53.47`	`dardack`	`what were you in opengl?`
`01:53.54`	`sacarasc`	`What video card is that?`
`01:54.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, if there is anything you want me to do config wise to help you let me know`
`01:54.09`	`Adys`	`opengl around 70 fps in the same areas`
`01:54.14`	`Adys`	`gtx9800`
`01:54.14`	`dardack`	`nice`
`01:54.18`	`Adys`	`gtx+*`
`01:54.45`	`sacarasc`	`"slightly" better than my crap, then.`
`01:55.30`	`sacarasc`	`Holy poop, it's just an empty Ironforge, but I'm getting 50fps. :o`
`01:56.28`	`ZorbaTHut`	`thunder, tried "/qh hardreset"? (it'll clobber your QH settings, but it might fix things)`
`01:59.47`	`dardack`	`Adys i have before installed wine prereq,s but it seems .22 needs diff ones, you remember the command to install them?`
`02:00.09`	`Adys`	`eh?`
`02:00.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, afk for a bit, will do when i get back`
`02:01.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://imgur.com/vhRyo.gif`
`02:02.03`	`Adys`	`dardack: what do you mean?`
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`02:02.15`	`dardack`	`nvm i found the dependencies i think`
`02:02.36`	`Adys`	`the deps never changed`
`02:03.00`	`dardack`	`yea i guess when i upgraded to Jaunty i needed to reinstall the deps`
`02:05.46`	`dardack`	`and aparently xlibs-dev is now xorg-dev`
`02:12.03`	`dardack`	`adys do i care about CLU? aparantly i don't have those dep's installed`
`02:12.09`	`dardack`	`GLU`
`02:12.19`	`Adys`	`GLU?`
`02:12.30`	`Adys`	`paste the err`
`02:12.45`	`dardack`	`configure: libGLU development files not found, GLU won't be supported`
`02:13.10`	`Adys`	`uh isnt that opengl stuff?`
`02:13.21`	`Adys`	`as in you care about it if you want to run wow :P`
`02:13.45`	`dardack`	`sigh it's libglu1-mesa-dev`
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`02:13.50`	`dardack`	`took forever to figure it out`
`02:13.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, on a hardrestart says lvl offset is +3 and it's showing a lvl 30 quest`
`02:13.55`	`Adys`	`oh mesa`
`02:13.58`	`Adys`	`nevermind about mesa`
`02:14.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`hardreset*`
`02:14.07`	`dardack`	`too late installed the dep already`
`02:14.21`	`dardack`	`looks like it's depreciated to 7.04 ubuntu or something`
`02:14.29`	`dardack`	`hope it don't screw it up`
`02:14.34`	`dardack`	`so you play wow in d3d?`
`02:15.18`	`ZorbaTHut`	`well, it may very well be showing one or two of the ones you've completed`
`02:15.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, hasnt been completed yet`
`02:15.56`	`ZorbaTHut`	`The Night Watch - you've finished all the objectives`
`02:16.04`	`ZorbaTHut`	`so it assumes (generally correctly) that you may as well go turn it in`
`02:16.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, but not look to the stars`
`02:16.52`	`ZorbaTHut`	`is it still showing that after the reset?`
`02:16.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes`
`02:17.03`	`ZorbaTHut`	`(it's hardreset, not hardrestart :P)`
`02:17.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`"Thunder_Child: hardreset*"`
`02:19.58`	`ZorbaTHut`	`huh. dunno. are you in a group?`
`02:20.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`was, but the other person didnt have it`
`02:20.22`	`Adys`	`dardack: i play in opengl, but d3d works fine`
`02:20.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`and it was set to solo mode`
`02:20.57`	`ZorbaTHut`	`wouldn't surprise me if solo's a little busted. are you still in a group?`
`02:21.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes`
`02:21.09`	`ZorbaTHut`	`well, try leaving it :P`
`02:21.12`	`dardack`	`ok`
`02:21.47`	`dardack`	`wish blizz would fix the custom cursor thing so i could have a faux HW cursor`
`02:21.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, that did it`
`02:22.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, though he is lower lvl than i`
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`02:22.43`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it's probably still enough to bump up the virtual level. figuring out how it should treat group quests is a constant matter of improvement.`
`02:22.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`it wasnt a group quest though`
`02:23.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`isnt*`
`02:23.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`true, but you can still do non-group quests more easily in groups`
`02:23.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`yep. is there a hidden modifier?`
`02:23.47`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yeah, a somewhat complicated one. the code's in filter_base.lua`
`02:23.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`and could you maybe have a grouplvl option and a lvl option?`
`02:24.00`	`ZorbaTHut`	`basically it averages everyone's levels, then adds two levels per extra person in the group`
`02:24.09`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it's not something that really comes up often`
`02:27.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, same with my other suggetion?`
`02:27.50`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I seem to recall the suggestion didn't seem worth the time right now, but I don't remember it :)`
`02:28.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, the option to auto-lower the priority of an instance quest when not in a party or raid`
`02:28.28`	`ZorbaTHut`	`ah, yeah. I'd rather just have them, you know, not show up`
`02:29.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`that works as well, i just thought that would be overboard`
`02:29.16`	`ZorbaTHut`	`well, that already happens, so it's easy to code ;)`
`02:29.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut, well thanks for taking the time to listen to my rambleings`
`02:29.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`no prob :) I'll go see if the qh solo thing is easy to fix, though, that may be a bug`
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`02:45.42`	`Cairenn`	`WOOT! 2 down, 2 to go!`
`02:46.09`	`End`	`hockey?`
`02:46.20`	`Cairenn`	`RARR!`
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`02:47.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope, men`
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`03:11.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://us.media.blizzard.com/blizzard/falth/failocalypse.html heh`
`03:18.41`	`dardack`	`Adys: i compiled 1.1.22 now i don't have alsa for sound`
`03:19.05`	`Adys`	`what do you mean?`
`03:19.27`	`Adys`	`you use alsa or pulse?`
`03:20.22`	`dardack`	`pulse but in winecfg only oss is aviable now`
`03:20.27`	`dardack`	`no alsa or anything else`
`03:20.55`	`Adys`	`eh`
`03:21.05`	`Adys`	`you got pulse/alsa dev libs?`
`03:21.46`	`dardack`	`do you know what they are`
`03:21.53`	`dardack`	`i've tried combo's of alsa-dev pulse-dev`
`03:22.05`	`Adys`	`lemme check`
`03:23.47`	`dardack`	`ok found libpulse-dev`
`03:23.52`	`dardack`	`so now i have to remake wine yes?`
`03:24.31`	`dardack`	`hmmm checking alsa/asoundlib.h usability... no`
`03:25.42`	`Adys`	`i cant find my alsa dev libs`
`03:25.59`	`dardack`	`ok i get a yes now libsound2-dev`
`03:26.03`	`dardack`	`for that line`
`03:26.11`	`Adys`	`oh`
`03:26.27`	`dardack`	`how that allows alsa in wine now`
`03:26.37`	`dardack`	`did they remove the openGL option from the Launcher?`
`03:27.36`	`dardack`	`hope now how`
`03:27.38`	`dardack`	`sigh`
`03:27.41`	`dardack`	`hope not now`
`03:27.44`	`dardack`	`ok i give up`
`03:28.13`	`Adys`	`its never worked`
`03:28.18`	`Adys`	`just use wine wow -opengl`
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`03:29.03`	`dardack`	`oh i just hardcode it in the wtf file`
`03:29.22`	`dardack`	`this compile takes forever`
`03:30.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`shadow code is so broke`
`03:44.04`	`dardack`	`i'm an idiot, just do sudo apt-get build-dep wine`
`03:44.08`	`dardack`	`it brings it all in`
`03:44.10`	`dardack`	`sigh`
`03:44.15`	`dardack`	`back to starting over`
`03:46.44`	`mikma`	`sudo dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda bs=1024`
`03:46.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`best do urandom`
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`04:13.24`	`Kraps`	`what are good meta gems for arms pvp?`
`04:14.37`	`Kraps`	`no thats not the question`
`04:15.08`	`Kraps`	`is the run speed increase any good?`
`04:16.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`you can get that on the boots`
`04:16.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`with stm`
`04:18.10`	`Kraps`	`but is it really useful?`
`04:19.06`	`End`	`I consider it to be useful`
`04:19.56`	`End`	`(of course, you have hamstring too)`
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`04:20.10`	`End`	`(but you may have distance to close)`
`04:22.02`	`Kraps`	`skyflare diamonds are cheap here`
`04:22.50`	`Kraps`	`so where do i put blue gems in a red/yellow world?`
`04:27.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`wow....audiodg is pulling 1GB of ram`
`04:28.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`fix your drivers`
`04:28.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have the newest...i think`
`04:28.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`that happens with broken drivers`
`04:28.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`you can always just restart it`
`04:32.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`ScytheBlade1, whats the service?`
`04:32.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'd have to reboot to find the exact name`
`04:32.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`well i am in ulduar atm so i cant`
`04:32.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You should be able to open process explorer, services tab, and match the two and restart it right there`
`04:32.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`err`
`04:32.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`task manager`
`04:33.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope, in win7 you can rclick to "got to process" and it doesnt go to one`
`04:33.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`so it doesnt seem to have one directly related to it`
`04:33.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I don't mean process, I really do mean service`
`04:33.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`err..go to dservice`
`04:33.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`service*`
`04:33.52`	`Kraps`	`psa: please dont use crusader aura on the eots spawn point`
`04:34.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok, i got it`
`04:34.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`Windows Audio`
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`04:42.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He's a ghost yo`
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`04:46.28`	`End`	`Shirik: find your corpse?`
`04:47.51`	`d87`	`how to debug those "Interface action failed because of an AddOn" messages? there should be some console command to log them iirc`
`04:48.08`	`d87`	`can't find it in patchnotes`
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`04:48.32`	`Gryphen`	`ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.`
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`04:49.32`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Someone find me a BF2142 Deluxe Edition CD key, or if you have one youre not using, PM me. Me love you long tiem. :<`
`04:49.44`	`Shirik`	`bad AbsolutRayne`
`04:49.53`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Shirik: Ive done worse`
`04:50.39`	`AbsolutRayne`	`rages about.`
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`04:57.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`d87: get BugGrabber`
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`05:00.34`	VonhintenHOME`	`Anyone elses guild having attendance issues with Ulduar?`
`05:00.58`	`End`	`we were a bit, but it was because people had finals`
`05:01.12`	`End`	`suddenly guilds are exploding and we have a glut of apps`
`05:01.16`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Finals have been hurting us a bit`
`05:01.31`	`Hjalte`	VonhintenHOME`: Almost all the guilds on my server are experiencing issues. Some are because of exams, but it also seems a lot of people came back for Ulduar, but didn't really want to stick around anyway.
`05:01.32`	VonhintenHOME`	`We're only a month and a half in and we're already going in with 22 and 23 people`
`05:02.04`	`Hjalte`	`Ulduar10 is almost impossible to do, although that's where we are pushing for hard modes.`
`05:02.35`	VonhintenHOME`	`Why is uld10 almost impossible? time constraints?`
`05:03.03`	`Hjalte`	`People don't want to join it. Might just be my guild of course.`
`05:03.15`	`Hjalte`	`We do it in the weekends and sometimes after main raids.`
`05:03.27`	VonhintenHOME`	`Oh, that's not our issue. We have 25 and 10 scheduled independantly`
`05:03.34`	VonhintenHOME`	`4 different Uld10 groups`
`05:03.50`	VonhintenHOME`	`We only raid 25 2 days a week, 3 hours each`
`05:03.56`	`Hjalte`	`We can barely do one Ulduar 10 group. But our realm is totally dead.`
`05:04.55`	VonhintenHOME`	`My rogue is literally doing 2x the damage of some of our DPS too... too many casuals and too much gear has been spread out across too many sometimes-raiders`
`05:05.19`	VonhintenHOME`	`40 raiders cycle in 10 to 15 slots, randomly`
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`05:07.11`	VonhintenHOME`	`Actually, it'd be nice if they introduced an Magister's Terrace like setup with badge gear near Uld level so our casuals could get geared up a little more`
`05:07.24`	VonhintenHOME`	`on their own time`
`05:07.33`	VonhintenHOME`	`I thought that was a good idea in BC`
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`05:29.50`	`*** topic/#wowuidev by widgertick -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 3.1.x ToC: 30100 \| #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| BlizzCon ticket contests: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23763 & http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ \| Minion: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24025`
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`05:52.14`	`Jrdcl`	`Would anyone happen to know a non-FuBar replacement for PerformanceFu?`
`05:53.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyone familiar with ddrescue? does this mean I'm really only missing 4096 bytes and everything else copied over fine? http://paste.wowace.com/730/ <-`
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`05:58.41`	`Taroven`	`How would I go about completely removing a project from WoWI's svn?`
`06:00.02`	`Cairenn`	`send a PM to Dolby`
`06:00.14`	`Cairenn`	`with the appropriate link`
`06:00.21`	`Taroven`	`Thanks Cairenn.`
`06:00.25`	`Cairenn`	`np :)\`
`06:00.34`	`Cairenn`	`errr, - \`
`06:01.35`	`Taroven`	`=P`
`06:04.14`	`Adys`	`~wowiquotes`
`06:04.15`	`purl`	`http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes`
`06:06.18`	`airtonix`	`Gnarfoz, brokerCPU`
`06:07.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`airtonix: what`
`06:07.30`	`airtonix`	`woops`
`06:07.40`	`airtonix`	`it was for Jrdcl`
`06:09.42`	`Jrdcl`	`Ah, that looks close at least. Thanks airtonix.`
`06:19.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`is the original design team for wow still doing the designing?`
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`06:19.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`probably not the exact same people, that'd mean nobody died, was laid off, quit, etc`
`06:19.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`just as probable there are still some left of those, though`
`06:30.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol i am listening to "Tetris Piano Opus No.1"`
`06:30.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`xD`
`06:31.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Gnarfoz: i find it interesting that you said 'died' first. :P`
`06:31.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`me too, but then, one actually died`
`06:31.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`true, that.`
`06:31.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`(maybe he wasn't part of what TC meant with "design team" though)`
`06:38.07`	`tekkub`	`"A withdrawal was made on your account 80-SHARE DRAFT."`
`06:38.10`	`tekkub`	`thank you bank`
`06:38.15`	`tekkub`	`that is so fucking helpful`
`06:38.36`	`tekkub`	`you know the point of alerts is to like, let you know WHAT happened, not just that something did happen`
`06:41.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`but they dont want and information leak.....`
`06:43.42`	`tekkub`	`then why do they offer to email me?`
`06:43.45`	`tekkub`	`bastards`
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`06:44.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`as a tease`
`06:44.27`	`tekkub`	`I hate you`
`06:46.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know`
`06:46.43`	`tekkub`	`can I play with your beard?`
`06:55.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`no`
`06:56.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`I SHAVED IT!`
`06:56.22`	`Tewan`	`rofl`
`06:57.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.e-squillace.com/Funnies/MiscFunnies&Keepables/Heaven_and_Hell.jpg`
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`07:15.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`nice`
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`07:25.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`whee`
`07:25.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`server rescued, permanent connection inc`
`07:26.01`	`*** join/#wowuidev Gnarfoz (i=smallbra@geektour.de)`
`07:27.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`yay \o/`
`07:28.46`	`*** join/#wowuidev Vilkkuu (n=Vilkku@86-60-149-35-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi)`
`07:29.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`smallbra?`
`07:29.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`>.<`
`07:29.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`freenode sucks?`
`07:29.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`it prepends stuff and then truncates`
`07:29.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`not my problem`
`07:29.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`07:30.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`"Gnarfoz enters #wowuidev (i=smallbra@geektour.de)"`
`07:30.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes.`
`07:30.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`maybe not, but it is humorus`
`07:30.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes, and there's even a quote on the quotes page`
`07:30.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`:P`
`07:30.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`~wowuidev-quotes`
`07:30.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`~wowui-quotes`
`07:31.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes < that page, anyway`
`07:31.18`	`Kaso`	`Does cold weather flying show up in your spellbook? How would you check if the users has it`
`07:31.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`actually, it might be in the #wowwiki quotes, not sure :D`
`07:31.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`it does, afaik`
`07:32.01`	`nevcairiel`	`its in the spellbook, Kaso`
`07:32.14`	`Kaso`	`okay cool`
`07:33.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`Thunder_Child: http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes?ids=278#quote-278 :p`
`07:34.00`	`Kaso`	`This mount addon i downloaded apparently isnt smart enough to check for it itself, so i just need to patch it i myself`
`07:34.02`	`nevcairiel`	`rather a smallbrain then a small bra .. i agree :P`
`07:34.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`whats the difference?`
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`07:44.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`Thunder_Child: difference is the force-prepended "i=" which signifies that I'm running identd somewhere`
`07:44.21`	`Wobin`	`http://abstrusegoose.com/155`
`07:50.49`	`Fisker-`	`enrages`
`07:52.28`	`Wobin`	`ps, awesome xkcd`
`07:52.44`	`nevcairiel`	`hah yea`
`07:52.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`'INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/shutdown"'`
`07:52.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`fuck me`
`07:53.04`	`nevcairiel`	`you broke your system`
`07:53.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`the harddrive has been flaky for years`
`07:53.16`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout`
`07:53.42`	`Dagmar`	`That's very bad.`
`07:53.56`	`Dagmar`	`You should still be able to tail dmesg`
`07:54.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`time for sysrq REISUB`
`07:54.03`	`Dagmar`	`It'll probably have dire things to tell you`
`07:54.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`'zsh: Input/output error: dmesg'`
`07:55.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah im trying sysrq REISUB`
`07:55.27`	`Dagmar`	`Oh dur nevermind me. Heh`
`07:55.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: yay for dead HDDs, I just finished ddrescue'ing the one in my server ;>`
`07:55.46`	`Dagmar`	`It's not like dmesg would be cached in the filesystem`
`07:55.53`	`Fisker-`	`oh god`
`07:55.57`	`Fisker-`	`i'm killing you Gnarfoz`
`07:56.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`my nix 'server' is an old laptop`
`07:56.06`	`Dagmar`	`Ah`
`07:56.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is why i havent replaced the harddrive`
`07:56.32`	`Dagmar`	`My nix servers are just about Legion.`
`07:56.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`Fisker-: sadly, that wont get you SC2`
`07:56.52`	`Dagmar`	`I almost have the instant rebuild stuff working again`
`07:57.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`...why does dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb complain about "no space left on device" oO`
`07:57.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`you know unless somebody has some extra 2.5" harddrives and wants to send me one`
`07:57.27`	`Dagmar`	`Spent the day at the bloody ER instead of finishing because I was too dim to drink water as I rode around the city on my scooter`
`07:57.48`	`Dagmar`	`Syncope (n.): Fancy word for "fainted like a b*tch"`
`07:58.18`	`Dagmar`	`Hit up a pawn shop or Craigslist for some utter POS ATX box`
`07:58.35`	`Dagmar`	`Every time I upgrade my gaming desktop, I get a new server.`
`07:58.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh yeah, pata 2.5"`
`07:58.49`	`Dagmar`	`...and I turn an old one off.`
`07:59.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is a p3 laptop`
`07:59.11`	`Kaso`	`I dont think there's ever been a time when i used a while loop when i didn't forget to increment the iterator`
`07:59.18`	`Kaso`	`every bloody time i do the same thing`
`07:59.42`	`Dagmar`	`Arrowmaster: So... I guess it won't boot off a USB disk then`
`07:59.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`Gnarfoz, i meant the difference between a smallbra and a small brain :p`
`08:00.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`Dagmar: it probably will, p3 can be new enough ;)`
`08:00.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`Dagmar: no it wont, it the cd drive is also broken`
`08:00.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/l b/lb/`
`08:00.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`it does have a floopy drive though`
`08:00.25`	`Dagmar`	`o.O`
`08:00.54`	`Dagmar`	`If you were in Nashville I'd just say come by the campus tomorrow`
`08:01.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`last time i reinstalled debian i actually took the boot image from the usb stick installer and put it directly on the old installs /boot/ and had it read the rest of the installer from a usb stick`
`08:01.53`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah, I started using a portable USB drive to do installs from`
`08:02.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`well like i said, i found out the dvd drive is broken`
`08:02.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`i didnt really have much else for options besides running a PXE boot server`
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`08:03.31`	`Dagmar`	`I've managed to apparently zap my 2Gb cell phone charm drive, so I'm somewhat considering just buying a 16Gb model of the same to start doing my installs from`
`08:03.41`	`Dagmar`	`Very sad it's dead`
`08:03.41`	`AnduinLothar`	`ack! why am i cravign tacos to bad!`
`08:03.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`neeeed tacos`
`08:04.04`	`Dagmar`	`Quick! To the all night grocer's!`
`08:04.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`Del Taco!`
`08:04.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`or Jack tacos...`
`08:04.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`options!`
`08:04.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have a 16gb and an 8gb i carry around, i dont use the 16gb because i cant get it to work consistantly on the school computers`
`08:04.54`	`Dagmar`	`Between the two, it would be Jack`
`08:05.04`	`Dagmar`	`I've not been impressed by the Del Taco here`
`08:05.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`del has good chicken soft tacos`
`08:05.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`Thunder_Child: anyway, that ident is from ages ago, when my english wasn't good enough to know that what I meant to refer to is 'cerebellum' (for which the german word translates to "small brain" ^^)`
`08:06.09`	`Dagmar`	`The one here, you'd think they were made with "soft chickens"`
`08:06.19`	`Dagmar`	`I question the integrity of their materials supplier.`
`08:07.03`	`nevcairiel`	`Gnarfoz: they do say "little brain", just not small`
`08:07.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: I know now. :P`
`08:07.38`	`nevcairiel`	`its still a weird name`
`08:07.39`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`08:07.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`true.dat`
`08:08.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, why does dd complain about "no space left on device"? it really makes no sense :\`
`08:08.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`TACOS!`
`08:08.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`drives to jack`
`08:08.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`except of course... if it weren't present, maybe`
`08:08.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`a-ha`
`08:08.39`	`nevcairiel`	`because urandom can produce more data then your drive could ever store? :D`
`08:08.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`no, it aborts immediately`
`08:08.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`fail taco AnduinLothar`
`08:09.15`	`Dagmar`	`Entropy needs to be piping hot and fresh.`
`08:09.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`I wonder where it went? :D`
`08:09.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`why would it be gone! :X`
`08:09.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`giev back my hdd!`
`08:09.51`	`nevcairiel`	`steals the boot drive too`
`08:10.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`that would also explain why earlier, when I tried to narrow down which file(s) I lost`
`08:10.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`dd suddenly instead of reporting I/O errors for the affected sectors, it just returned 0 bytes immediately`
`08:11.04`	`Dagmar`	`shudders`
`08:11.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`where's my disk oO`
`08:11.18`	`Dagmar`	`Oh wait`
`08:11.40`	`Dagmar`	`New (by which I mean "non-ancient") drives remap bad sectors, but you might be seeing something else`
`08:12.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm seeing "the disk is not connected or totally dead now" :X`
`08:12.08`	`Dagmar`	`If you have a working machine with a burner, grab a copy of Ultimate Boot CD and use it to run the SMART tests built into the drive`
`08:12.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's a server in a hosting facility`
`08:12.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`(rented, too)`
`08:12.38`	`Dagmar`	`Virtual or pizza?`
`08:12.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`pizzawhat? :D`
`08:12.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'd like pizza now :(`
`08:12.52`	`Dagmar`	`"pizzabox" =~ 1U servers`
`08:12.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah.`
`08:13.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`pizza then, even though they're probably ATX chassis because they're cheaper :D`
`08:13.21`	`nevcairiel`	`take alot more space, though`
`08:13.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`sure, but NGZ owns their own data center, so I guess they've got the space to waste ;>`
`08:13.44`	`Dagmar`	`You don't usually find that in 1Us. Generic 2Us much more often`
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`08:14.11`	`Dagmar`	`Actually, you'd be suprised how much datacenters dislike wasting space`
`08:14.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive seen ATX cases just stacked on shelves`
`08:14.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: that`
`08:14.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`and it was called a 'datacenter'`
`08:14.30`	`Dagmar`	`Just to keep the places sanely equipped you have to have double the cooling capacity you need`
`08:14.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`but it's actually a datacenter :P`
`08:14.34`	`Matsy`	`:<`
`08:14.38`	`Matsy`	`Another hibernate gone wrong.`
`08:14.59`	`Dagmar`	`Ya go under double and one hard mainenance on the cooling system could mean having to shut all the machines down`
`08:15.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`(and they also have rack spaces, of course, just not for the el-cheapo dedicated servers ^^)`
`08:15.26`	`Dagmar`	`After having thought about it, I will prefer virtual hardware`
`08:15.42`	`Matsy`	`Who doesn't.`
`08:15.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`virtual hardware seems... intangible :D`
`08:15.58`	`Dagmar`	`Well, people with really extreme security requirements, but that's beside the point`
`08:16.04`	`nevcairiel`	`I just care for the stats i get, i don't care if my memory and cpu power is virtual or real dedicated`
`08:16.11`	`Matsy`	`Yeah`
`08:16.11`	`Dagmar`	`Intangible, but this also means it can't blow up`
`08:16.21`	`Matsy`	`VPS configurations are a lot cheaper too`
`08:16.38`	`Dagmar`	`Worst-case scenario you just reinstantate the server, or there's a lot more people than just you screaming at the NOC people`
`08:16.40`	`Matsy`	`For both the customer and the supplyer.`
`08:16.58`	`Matsy`	`*supplier`
`08:16.59`	`Matsy`	`:(`
`08:17.09`	`Dagmar`	`The only bitch of it is that the equipment you can run that one comes in really dense form factors.`
`08:17.14`	`Dagmar`	`s/one/on/;`
`08:17.26`	`Dagmar`	`Like, IBMs blade clusters seem like an awesome idea`
`08:17.36`	`nevcairiel`	`blades are awesome`
`08:17.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyway, I guess one of the helpdesk guys pulled it already after seeing that I successfully rebooted the machine out of the rescue system`
`08:17.58`	`Dagmar`	`...and then you get one and in 10U of space it sucks down the power of two whole racks and blows hot air out the back like a cheerleader's hair dryer`
`08:18.37`	`nevcairiel`	`yet in the 10U you get like 20 blades`
`08:18.39`	`Matsy`	`I have one question.`
`08:18.46`	`Matsy`	`I'm surprised I can't find the answer somewhere on the internet`
`08:18.53`	`Matsy`	`If you buy a VPS. Can you install your own OS?`
`08:18.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`08:19.15`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah, that part is great, but getting that much power to it's not so much fun if you're provisioned to run two 21A circuits to each rack`
`08:19.20`	`Matsy`	`Because every VPS company I look at gives like, 6 possibilities.`
`08:19.28`	`Matsy`	`And, I have a few Windows Server 2008 licenses lying around.`
`08:19.32`	`nevcairiel`	`Your supplier gives you pre-installed images, of course`
`08:19.34`	`Matsy`	`So, figured I'd be able to use those.`
`08:19.36`	`Dagmar`	`Matsy: and from there you can just bootstrap whatever other OS you'd like in`
`08:19.38`	`Matsy`	`Yeah.`
`08:19.42`	`nevcairiel`	`if you manage to remote-install another OS, its your choice`
`08:20.01`	`Matsy`	`Oh!`
`08:20.07`	`Matsy`	`I never even knew that :(`
`08:20.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`Jack was closed!`
`08:20.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`i hought they were 24hr`
`08:20.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm`
`08:20.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`"You can also roll your own distribution and upload it. The distributions above are i386 unless specified otherwise. "`
`08:20.26`	`Dagmar`	`Strange. I didn't see anything in the news about the world ending`
`08:20.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`but trying to do windows on a vps just sounds like a bad idea`
`08:20.46`	`Dagmar`	`Jack's generally are open all night`
`08:20.49`	`Matsy`	`How so?`
`08:20.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`AnduinLothar, it's better that way`
`08:21.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`jack fails`
`08:21.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`so i have del chicken tacos`
`08:21.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`indeed...though i do like Fecesbell`
`08:21.33`	`nevcairiel`	`Well windows usually needs more memory then linux, just for the whole graphical ui thingy, and a VPS is generally short on memory in my experience =P`
`08:21.35`	`Dagmar`	`Matsy: There's a lot of ways--mainly if you have the arcane knowledge to roll your own distro, you know how to throw a shell script in that will forcibly install it`
`08:21.48`	`Matsy`	`No, I mean.`
`08:21.50`	`Matsy`	`I know how to ;p`
`08:22.11`	`Matsy`	`But, where I work, we run all of our servers in a virtualized environment`
`08:22.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`support ticket open, time to get some breakfast :D`
`08:22.18`	`Matsy`	`What's the difference with a VPS?`
`08:22.19`	`Dagmar`	`I just wish it were slightly easier to create a new imaginary disk and mount it`
`08:22.35`	`Dagmar`	`Matsy: Buzzword compatibility. ;)`
`08:22.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah look at linode, you only get 360MB of ram with the smallest node, not good for windows`
`08:22.49`	`Matsy`	`.. what`
`08:22.52`	`Matsy`	`360MB?`
`08:22.59`	`Matsy`	`Lol, I need far more, indeed.`
`08:23.15`	`nevcairiel`	`360mb is enough for a small linux webserver`
`08:23.22`	`nevcairiel`	`if you need more, they offer more`
`08:23.34`	`Dagmar`	`Matsy: VPS just means Virtual Private Server`
`08:23.35`	`Matsy`	`Well, I kinda need Windows :<`
`08:23.37`	`Matsy`	`That's the downside.`
`08:23.41`	`Matsy`	`I know.`
`08:23.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`my 650mhz P3 laptop im using as a nix server has 384MB`
`08:24.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Maybe you should get a VPS thing that already offers windows`
`08:24.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`it will be more expensive`
`08:24.28`	`Matsy`	`Those are SO much more expensive`
`08:24.44`	`Matsy`	`Seeing that the license takes up around 60% of the total cost.`
`08:25.13`	`Dagmar`	`Maybe you can run WINE on one?`
`08:25.24`	`Matsy`	`Lol.`
`08:25.35`	`Matsy`	`WINE and IIS / MSSQL / ISA would not work well :<`
`08:25.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`well do your licenses even allow virtual installs?`
`08:25.42`	`Matsy`	`Yesh.`
`08:25.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`aaaaaahhhhh tacos`
`08:25.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`my need has been quenched`
`08:26.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`my soul sated`
`08:26.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`the windows vps hosts probably dont let you use your own licenses because they are responsibe when the BSA raids the datacenter`
`08:26.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`my tongue tamed`
`08:26.31`	`Matsy`	`That's a failure.`
`08:26.40`	`Dagmar`	`You've never seen the BSA at work`
`08:26.54`	`Matsy`	`No ;p`
`08:27.12`	`Fisker-`	`HAY GUISE`
`08:27.20`	`Dagmar`	`I've actually seen them tell people they need two licences per workstation`
`08:27.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol?`
`08:27.32`	`Matsy`	`Yeah`
`08:27.37`	`Matsy`	`Licenses supposedly are "per person"`
`08:27.51`	`Matsy`	`And not "per machine"`
`08:27.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh really?`
`08:27.58`	`Matsy`	`Yeah.`
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`08:28.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`so what do they say to one guys with one license running it on 100 boxes`
`08:28.59`	`Dagmar`	`"You better call your bank.":`
`08:29.05`	`Matsy`	`Yeah ;p`
`08:29.08`	`Fisker-`	`said hay guise :(`
`08:29.13`	`Matsy`	`Hai Fisker!`
`08:30.16`	`Fisker-`	`this is why we can't have nice things`
`08:33.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`~Fisker---`
`08:33.46`	`Fisker-`	`thanks`
`08:34.09`	`p3lim`	`lol`
`08:34.10`	`p3lim`	`http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mudkips&defid=2191283`
`08:34.27`	`Matsy`	`Bleh`
`08:34.35`	`Matsy`	`I'm better off buying my own server then.`
`08:34.52`	`Matsy`	`100$ per month for a decent server :<`
`08:36.53`	`Fisker-`	`What's that?`
`08:36.54`	`Fisker-`	`You wanna die?`
`08:37.00`	`Fisker-`	`~karma Fisker-`
`08:37.00`	`purl`	`fisker- has karma of -9`
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`08:49.15`	`Cairenn`	`tekkub: DF says "hi"`
`08:49.47`	`tekkub`	`DF?`
`08:49.51`	`tekkub`	`Darqie?`
`08:49.53`	`Cairenn`	`yup`
`08:50.17`	`tekkub`	`heh, tell he we were through Tulsa two weeks ago coming back from AR`
`08:50.32`	`tekkub`	`but it was late in the evenink`
`08:50.50`	`Cairenn`	`she just headed off for sleep`
`08:51.14`	`tekkub`	`FINE`
`08:51.28`	`Cairenn`	`heheh`
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`08:53.01`	`Cairenn`	`(2009-06-01 04:52:29) Darqflame: HAH thanks, I just happen to walk by and heard the noise`
`08:53.01`	`Cairenn`	`(2009-06-01 04:52:41) Darqflame: tell him hit me up some time, the kids love him`
`08:53.33`	`tekkub`	`I have no plans of driving out to AR any time soon ^^`
`08:53.44`	`tekkub`	`even that one wasn't planned`
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`09:11.41`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I assume there's no more accurate timer available than GetTime()?`
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`09:24.13`	`Adys`	`Is UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT fired when you click on a target you already have targeted, on windows?`
`09:29.02`	`Wobin`	`grr`
`09:29.32`	`Wobin`	`anyone having issues connecting to WoW?`
`09:31.36`	`Matsy`	`Uh`
`09:31.37`	`Matsy`	`What version?`
`09:31.44`	`Wobin`	`... version?`
`09:31.45`	`Matsy`	`EU / US?`
`09:31.49`	`Wobin`	`US`
`09:32.03`	`Matsy`	`Can't check that.`
`09:32.09`	`Matsy`	`Oh, I can, actually`
`09:32.22`	`Wobin`	`rrr I'm not getting past "Connecting" before it fails`
`09:32.38`	`Wobin`	`and just as I was about to start an instance =(`
`09:33.18`	`Matsy`	`Let me check`
`09:33.48`	`Wobin`	`hurrah, in!`
`09:33.53`	`Matsy`	`Oh :<`
`09:33.57`	`Wobin`	`(I hope)`
`09:36.09`	`Wobin`	`Or maybe not =(`
`09:36.18`	`Wobin`	`damn you loading screen... damn you`
`09:38.46`	`Adys`	`is there a way to know whether an ingame mail is from a player or a npc?`
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`09:39.32`	`Adys`	`!api mail`
`09:39.32`	`lua_bot`	`Found 24 possible matches for 'mail'. Please be more specific`
`09:40.26`	`zenzelezz`	`maybe hackish, but don't most NPC/Blizzard mails come from some name with spaces in them, while players obviously don't?`
`09:40.42`	`Adys`	`i was thinking about this`
`09:40.58`	`Adys`	`but it wont catch mails from a npc with no space`
`09:41.02`	`Matsy`	`Yeah.`
`09:41.32`	`Matsy`	`Oh`
`09:41.36`	`Matsy`	`CanComplainInboxItem`
`09:41.42`	`Matsy`	`I don't think you can report NPCs as spam.`
`09:41.48`	`Matsy`	`And, you can report players.`
`09:41.57`	`Matsy`	`Wouldn't that work?`
`09:42.37`	`Matsy`	`It'd return 'nil' for friends too`
`09:42.43`	`Matsy`	`But, I guess you can parse the friends list for that`
`09:44.20`	`Matsy`	`Or, am I talking nonsense`
`09:44.43`	`Adys`	`good idea matsy`
`09:44.45`	`Adys`	`thanks :)`
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`09:57.02`	`Adys`	`eh`
`09:57.03`	`Adys`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE`
`09:57.08`	`Adys`	`this doesnt seem to fire when i open a mail`
`09:57.21`	`Adys`	`at least not a read mail`
`09:58.44`	`Matsy`	`Uh`
`09:58.53`	`Matsy`	`Try MAIL_SHOW?`
`09:59.46`	`Adys`	`both`
`09:59.50`	`Adys`	`yeah`
`09:59.56`	`Adys`	`it only triggers on unread mail`
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`10:01.54`	`Adys`	`isnt there an event for when you open any mail? unread or not`
`10:04.05`	`cbreak`	`you could hook OnShow of the mail frame?`
`10:06.19`	`Adys`	`meh.`
`10:06.23`	`Adys`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ENABLE_TAXI_BENCHMARK`
`10:06.25`	`Adys`	`wtf is that?`
`10:07.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`there's a builtin "timedemo"`
`10:07.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`since... 3.0 I think?`
`10:07.08`	`Adys`	`wtf is that?`
`10:07.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`or maybe 2.4`
`10:07.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`you don't know what a timedemo is?`
`10:07.20`	`Adys`	`no.`
`10:07.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`guess you never benchmarked a game, then :D`
`10:07.42`	`Adys`	`no but why taxi benchmark?`
`10:07.53`	`foxlit`	`Because it's the only way to get a constant visual rendering scheme`
`10:07.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`because it runs while you're on a taxi`
`10:08.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`(this one does)`
`10:08.06`	`Adys`	`right I see`
`10:08.07`	`foxlit`	`(I wonder if they lock camera)`
`10:08.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`they hopefully do, otherwise it's worthless :D`
`10:08.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`hmm, sshing to my server is showing a different fingerprint now`
`10:09.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: after what happened?`
`10:09.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://arrowmaster.net/dmesg.log`
`10:09.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`after that happened`
`10:10.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`just that?`
`10:10.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`10:10.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's weird ;p`
`10:10.33`	`Matsy`	`...`
`10:10.36`	`Matsy`	`Whats up with your HD`
`10:10.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`would have to have affected your ssh key`
`10:10.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`the physical copy, I mean`
`10:11.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`that or i did something weird with how i called plink`
`10:11.27`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout`
`10:11.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`why are you calling plink at all?`
`10:11.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok my putty shortcut didnt give me a warning so it must have been something wierd with how i called plink to run that`
`10:12.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`since i had to run dmesg as the remote ssh command and redirect the output locally to a file since the fs on the server is read only right now`
`10:12.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`perhaps never called that box by its actual IP with plink? (or by its hostname, whichever one you usually don't :D)`
`10:13.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`i ran plink and gave it the name of the saved putty session`
`10:13.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`well`
`10:13.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`~shrug`
`10:13.39`	`purl`	`go. to. sleep.`
`10:13.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`lol`
`10:17.56`	`Adys`	`!api CanComplainInboxItem`
`10:17.56`	`lua_bot`	`CanComplainInboxItem: Returns whether a mail message can be reported as spam (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CanComplainInboxItem)`
`10:18.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`that never works btw`
`10:18.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`report it as spam`
`10:18.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`log out, log back in, message is there again`
`10:19.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: also, the taxi benchmark seems to have been there since 2.0.1 o_O that's quite a while longer than I remembered`
`10:19.47`	`Adys`	`so uh`
`10:19.56`	`Adys`	`how do I get the mailbox index of the currently opened mail?`
`10:20.02`	`Adys`	`or do I have to hook shit...`
`10:24.46`	`Adys`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetLatestThreeSenders what`
`10:26.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh shit i just remembered i have another old laptop around here somewhere i could salvage a harddrive from`
`10:27.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`i hate to think how small that harddrive is though`
`10:27.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`the laptop was like a 266mhz p2 or something`
`10:35.41`	`Adys`	`Matsy: found a better solution`
`10:35.56`	`zenzelezz`	`sponsorship notices can be funny. "The French Open - brought to you by Rumania"`
`10:35.56`	`Adys`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInboxHeaderInfo`
`10:36.09`	`Adys`	`combining isGM and canReply`
`10:38.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`zenzelezz: wtf?`
`10:38.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: that function is for the minimap notification button thingy tooltip. ;)`
`10:39.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: todays laptops are as small as your old harddrive! :D`
`10:39.24`	`Adys`	`no its not Gnarfoz`
`10:40.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: sure it is?`
`10:40.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`at least that uses it`
`10:40.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`minimap button shows, on mouseover, you've got mail from: ..., ..., ...`
`10:40.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`(actually, in 3 lines)`
`10:41.00`	`Adys`	`oh`
`10:41.06`	`Adys`	`was talking about getinboxheaderinfo`
`10:41.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah`
`10:41.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`I see`
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`10:41.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`so my hoster claims they didn't pull the drive`
`10:41.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`:X`
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`10:42.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`where the hell is it then! :D`
`10:55.26`	`Matsy`	`Uh, Adys`
`10:55.33`	`Matsy`	`Wouldnt just canReply do it?`
`10:55.37`	`Adys`	`no`
`10:55.43`	`Adys`	`you cant reply to GM mails`
`10:55.47`	`Adys`	`and I dont want GMs`
`10:55.49`	`Adys`	`I just want NPCs`
`10:55.54`	`Matsy`	`Thats what I mean`
`10:55.58`	`Matsy`	`Oh!`
`10:56.01`	`Matsy`	`You WANT replies.`
`10:56.07`	`Matsy`	`*You WANT NPCs.`
`10:56.08`	`Adys`	`no`
`10:56.09`	`Adys`	`yes`
`10:56.12`	`Matsy`	`I thought you only wanted players.`
`10:56.19`	`Matsy`	`Makes more sense then ;p`
`10:56.19`	`Adys`	`nah`
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`11:04.35`	`haste`	`wonder what happens if you start with with the timedemo flag`
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`11:07.44`	`haste`	`seems like it does nothing :(`
`11:15.49`	`Fisker-`	`whats that haste ?`
`11:15.52`	`Fisker-`	`You want to be vÃ¦lted?`
`11:15.56`	`Fisker-`	`vÃ¦lter haste`
`11:16.01`	`haste`	`wwweeeeee~`
`11:22.48`	`Fisker-`	`sup haste`
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`11:29.36`	`Fisker-`	`hasteeeeeeeeeeee`
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`11:30.16`	`Aelobin`	`argh, getting through to blizzard by phone is impossible :<`
`11:30.26`	`Fisker-`	`naw`
`11:44.34`	`Matsy`	`What do you nede?`
`11:44.35`	`Matsy`	`;o`
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`11:47.47`	`Matsy`	`Hmm.`
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`12:07.37`	`haste`	`Fisker-: sorry, I couldn't see my screen from the floor`
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`12:17.59`	`Wobin`	`hehe a guildy is complaining he doesn't get into Naxx/Ulduar enough`
`12:18.22`	`Wobin`	`unfortunately, he has a certain reputation of being a tank, that just quits in a huff for no reason and doesn't log back in`
`12:18.35`	`Wobin`	`so nobody actually wants him on any of their runs =P`
`12:18.47`	`Matsy`	`Of course ;p`
`12:18.51`	`Matsy`	`Reputation is all that matters in raids`
`12:22.07`	`Adys`	`uhm`
`12:22.18`	`Adys`	`I want to use aceconsole's PrintLiteral in my addon`
`12:22.31`	`Adys`	`how should I do that?`
`12:22.50`	`Adys`	`(check if aceconsole is present, check if printliteral exists, and then use it otherwise fallback to print)`
`12:23.02`	`Adys`	`except i cant access aceconsole`
`12:27.08`	`Adys`	`actually screw that`
`12:28.43`	`Matsy`	`Wouldnt the functions be available whenever you initiate your addon as a new AceAddon?`
`12:29.14`	`Matsy`	`And of course, you need to say you're using AceConsole`
`12:29.23`	`Adys`	`my addon isnt an ace addon`
`12:29.28`	`Matsy`	`Oh.`
`12:29.41`	`Adys`	`I just want to check for devtools/aceconsole if its available for my debug traces`
`12:29.52`	`Matsy`	`I dont know about that :<`
`12:30.05`	`Adys`	`not a big deal`
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`12:55.08`	`zenzelezz`	`ohai peppy`
`12:55.15`	`Fisker-`	`slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout`
`12:55.20`	`Fisker-`	`out!`
`12:55.39`	`zenzelezz`	`nowai`
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`12:56.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nuh uh, zenzelezz always smiles at me, he can stay!`
`12:56.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, dear.`
`12:58.07`	`zenzelezz`	`:)`
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`13:00.50`	`Fisker-`	`;(`
`13:04.13`	`Fisker-`	`why so mean zenzelezz ?`
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`13:04.56`	`zenzelezz`	`you're a Dane`
`13:05.33`	`\|pez\|`	`I totally thought about the damned large dogs. Great Dane ( it's written Danois tho, isn't it? )`
`13:05.50`	`zenzelezz`	`not in English`
`13:06.10`	`\|pez\|`	`Alrighty then!`
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`13:15.03`	`dardack`	`sigh slacked off on my netherwing dailies`
`13:18.55`	`dardack`	`if you find a high level horde to pvp in halla can you just constantly kill them to get the marks?`
`13:20.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Diminishing returns`
`13:21.41`	`dardack`	`every day or longer?`
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`13:48.34`	`Adys`	`is there some sort of string.join in lua?`
`13:49.08`	`Shishire`	`Ok, I'm attempting to make my first addon, and I'm having trouble with creating a scrollable editbox. Here's the XML: http://pastebin.com/m11b22abb There doesn't appear to be any useful documentation for ScrollFrame that I can find.`
`13:49.11`	`Adys`	`like this`
`13:49.12`	`Adys`	`>>> ":".join(["foo", "bar", "baz"])`
`13:49.12`	`Adys`	`'foo:bar:baz'`
`13:49.35`	`Matsy`	`what`
`13:49.51`	`Adys`	`Shishire: tried wowwiki/wowprogramming for doc?`
`13:50.04`	`Matsy`	`lua> print(":" + "foo" + "bar" + "baz")`
`13:50.04`	`lua_bot`	`Matsy: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value`
`13:50.10`	`Matsy`	`:(`
`13:50.13`	`Matsy`	`Lua can't even do that`
`13:50.18`	`Shishire`	`I'll check wowprogramming, but wowwiki just has "it exists"`
`13:50.22`	`Adys`	`its .. to join strings Matsy`
`13:50.31`	`Adys`	`but I got a list of values`
`13:50.34`	`Adys`	`and I want to join them`
`13:50.51`	`Matsy`	`lua> print(strjoin(":","foo","bar","baz"))`
`13:50.52`	`lua_bot`	`Matsy: foo:bar:baz`
`13:50.55`	`krka`	`>>> "what"`
`13:51.01`	`alestane`	`Adys: I don't think string.join is part of base Lua, but it is part of WoW Lua:`
`13:51.01`	`alestane`	`lua> string.join(":", "foo", "bar", "baz")`
`13:51.01`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: foo:bar:baz`
`13:51.03`	`Adys`	`oh awesome!`
`13:51.43`	`krka`	`lua> =table.concat({"foo", "bar", "baz"}, ":")`
`13:51.43`	`lua_bot`	`krka: foo:bar:baz`
`13:51.56`	`Adys`	`purlfect :)`
`13:51.59`	`Matsy`	`what`
`13:52.03`	`Matsy`	`strjoin exists in lua.`
`13:52.05`	`Matsy`	`:(`
`13:52.34`	`Matsy`	`Brb, switching to a real IRC client.`
`13:53.03`	`*** join/#wowuidev Matsy (n=Matsy@a143167.upc-a.chello.nl)`
`13:53.14`	`Matsy`	`I had so much lag on the other client`
`13:53.19`	`Matsy`	`I dont know why :<`
`13:53.34`	`Adys`	`what client is that matsy`
`13:53.39`	`Matsy`	`This?`
`13:53.41`	`Matsy`	`Or, the previous one?`
`13:53.53`	`Adys`	`both`
`13:53.59`	`Matsy`	`This is mIRC now.`
`13:54.04`	`Matsy`	`And the other one was X-Chat`
`13:54.15`	`Wobin`	`xchat is better =P`
`13:54.17`	`Matsy`	`I always used X-Chat, but for some reason, it doesn't really work anymore`
`13:54.22`	`Matsy`	`Far better.`
`13:54.32`	`Matsy`	`18 seconds of lag however, isn't really great`
`13:54.43`	`Wobin`	`never had that issue`
`13:54.45`	`Wobin`	`what version?`
`13:55.06`	`Matsy`	`2.8.6-2`
`13:55.26`	`Wobin`	`ah, I have 2.8.7c`
`13:55.26`	`Anaralx2`	`upgrade.`
`13:55.39`	`Matsy`	`To what?`
`13:55.41`	`Anaralx2`	`I have 2.8.7e`
`13:55.41`	`Matsy`	`I have the latest version.`
`13:55.49`	`Adys`	`also`
`13:55.53`	`Adys`	`does lua have some kind of repr() ?`
`13:55.55`	`Wobin`	`not according to these versions we're putting out =P`
`13:55.59`	`Matsy`	`Well`
`13:56.02`	`Wobin`	`what's repr?`
`13:56.02`	`Matsy`	`I'm using Silverex's build.`
`13:56.06`	`Anaralx2`	`apparently not, if Wobin and I have different builds`
`13:56.28`	`Matsy`	`repr = somewhat like toString.`
`13:56.29`	`Matsy`	`in python`
`13:56.31`	`Shishire`	`Adys: wowprogramming has reference on the Lua code, but not the XML. I'm searching the forums, but I`
`13:56.34`	`Adys`	`Wobin: in python, repr is the safe input representation of an object`
`13:56.47`	`Shishire`	`*I'm not finding much`
`13:56.57`	`Adys`	`>>> repr("foo, bar\\\\!$~\"'")`
`13:56.58`	`Adys`	`'\'foo, bar\\\\\\\\!$~"\\\'\''`
`13:57.17`	`Wobin`	`oh. no`
`13:57.18`	`alestane`	`Adys: You can do string.format("%q", someArg)`
`13:57.31`	`Adys`	`%q?`
`13:58.08`	`Matsy`	`Can't you just do tostring(object)`
`13:58.09`	`alestane`	`lua> string.format("%q", foo, bar\\\\!$~\"'")`
`13:58.09`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: luabot:1: ')' expected near '\'`
`13:58.18`	`alestane`	`lua> string.format("%q", "foo, bar\\\\!$~\"'")`
`13:58.18`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: "foo, bar\\\\!$~\"'"`
`13:58.31`	`Adys`	`lua> "test"`
`13:58.31`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: test`
`13:58.35`	`Adys`	`fair enough`
`13:58.38`	`krka`	`lua>=string.format("%q", "hello'\"world\t\n\0")`
`13:58.38`	`lua_bot`	`krka: "hello'\"world\\000"`
`13:59.18`	`alestane`	`"The q option formats a string in a form suitable to be safely read back by the Lua interpreter: the string is written between double quotes, and all double quotes, newlines, embedded zeros, and backslashes in the string are correctly escaped when written."`
`13:59.25`	`Adys`	`i might have crashed wow.`
`13:59.33`	`Adys`	`because of YOU, alestane!`
`13:59.51`	`Matsy`	`... interesting`
`13:59.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`He does that.`
`14:00.03`	`Matsy`	`You crashed WoW with an addon?`
`14:00.26`	`Adys`	`addons can easily crash wow :P`
`14:00.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If anyone could teach him to do that, it would be alestane.`
`14:00.43`	`alestane`	`Usually, however, they actually have to try.`
`14:00.45`	`Matsy`	`How, Adys?`
`14:00.54`	`Matsy`	`I'm interested in knowing. ;p`
`14:00.59`	`Wobin`	`probably \0`
`14:01.19`	`alestane`	`%q actually handles \0.`
`14:01.20`	`Adys`	`infinite loops, huge cpu usage, hungry functions, extremely heavy frames, ...`
`14:01.22`	`krka`	`\0/`
`14:01.29`	`Adys`	`~krka++`
`14:01.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Infinite loops are good ones.`
`14:01.37`	`Matsy`	`Do they actually work?`
`14:01.42`	`Adys`	`uh yeah`
`14:01.46`	`Matsy`	`Wow.`
`14:01.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No... that's the point.... they crash and burn horribly!`
`14:02.02`	`Adys`	`you can spam print() too`
`14:02.07`	`Adys`	`that freezes real bad`
`14:02.14`	`krka`	`Infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite loops are infinite l`
`14:02.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`~whalenuke krka`
`14:02.22`	`purl`	`ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around krka with his mind powers.`
`14:02.23`	`Adys`	`I remember actually crashing wow with a #132 back when I was playing around with model functions`
`14:02.26`	`Matsy`	`What was that Lua addon again?`
`14:02.30`	`Adys`	`~whalezero Lopeppeppy`
`14:02.31`	`purl`	`ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at Lopeppeppy's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero.`
`14:02.34`	`Adys`	`Matsy: cosmos`
`14:02.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What lua addon?`
`14:02.42`	`Adys`	`Lopeppeppy: he's looking for cosmos`
`14:02.43`	`Matsy`	`So you can type lua code, and it'll execute it.`
`14:02.48`	`Adys`	`everyone knows its the only lua addon`
`14:02.51`	`Wobin`	`Hack`
`14:02.53`	`Matsy`	`WHAT`
`14:02.56`	`Matsy`	`No :(`
`14:03.03`	`Matsy`	`Should've let me finish.`
`14:03.11`	`Adys`	`you should've finished.`
`14:03.14`	`Matsy`	`Yes.`
`14:03.17`	`Matsy`	`Anyway`
`14:03.18`	`Adys`	`on one line, like everyone else :P`
`14:03.33`	`Adys`	`because`
`14:03.35`	`Adys`	`seriously`
`14:03.38`	`Adys`	`typing like that`
`14:03.41`	`Adys`	`is so.. like`
`14:03.44`	`Adys`	`.. annoying`
`14:03.46`	`Wobin`	`last`
`14:03.47`	`Wobin`	`year?`
`14:03.59`	`Matsy`	`There's this addon with an edit window, and it allows you to type lua code, it has syntax checking and all. I used to have it, but I forgot the name.`
`14:04.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ahem. Learn2RunOnSentence, dears.`
`14:04.06`	`Adys`	`woah woah hold on`
`14:04.09`	`Adys`	`your lines are long`
`14:04.15`	`Wobin`	`Hack`
`14:04.19`	`zenzelezz`	`Matsy: wowlua?`
`14:04.29`	`Matsy`	`Thanks`
`14:04.31`	`Matsy`	`:D`
`14:04.51`	`krka`	`long`
`14:04.52`	`*** join/#wowuidev kneeki (n=chatzill@66.45.169.50)`
`14:04.52`	`krka`	`lines`
`14:04.53`	`krka`	`are`
`14:04.54`	`krka`	`hard`
`14:04.54`	`krka`	`:(`
`14:05.02`	`kneeki`	`Morning`
`14:05.03`	`Adys`	`long and hard? that's what she said`
`14:05.08`	`Wobin`	`Matsy: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11101-Hack.html`
`14:05.08`	`kneeki`	`Everyone`
`14:05.09`	`kneeki`	`!`
`14:05.43`	`Adys`	`Wobin: that addon is SO googlable.`
`14:05.58`	`Matsy`	`....`
`14:06.01`	`zenzelezz`	`why would you google it anyway?`
`14:06.10`	`Matsy`	`Oh, Wobin`
`14:06.14`	`Adys`	`anyway, he wanted wowlua, not hack`
`14:06.16`	`Matsy`	`You were serious with the "Hack"`
`14:06.43`	`nevcairiel`	`wobin is always serious`
`14:06.49`	`Wobin`	`s'true`
`14:06.50`	`nevcairiel`	`srs business`
`14:06.52`	`Wobin`	`except when I'm not`
`14:06.55`	`zenzelezz`	`serious... LIKE A FOX`
`14:06.56`	`Wobin`	`but you can never tell when`
`14:07.01`	`Wobin`	`is inscrutable`
`14:07.10`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: fox is srs`
`14:07.10`	`Matsy`	`Interesting.`
`14:07.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`whistles at Adys`
`14:07.35`	`Matsy`	`:(`
`14:07.53`	`Adys`	`peppy whistling at me, should I be flattered?`
`14:08.11`	`Wobin`	`She wants you to call her a cab`
`14:08.18`	`Adys`	`okay`
`14:08.43`	`Kalroth`	`or she's using your empty head as a flute`
`14:09.01`	`Adys`	`my head isnt empty`
`14:09.08`	`Adys`	`it's full of thoughts about you Kalroth`
`14:09.12`	`Kalroth`	`aww`
`14:09.15`	`Kalroth`	`happy thoughts?!`
`14:09.23`	`Adys`	`dunno, forgot`
`14:10.07`	`Adys`	`i recall "prison", "murder", "kalroth" and "ponies" though`
`14:10.18`	`Adys`	`damn, empty again`
`14:11.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Refill with unicorns`
`14:11.18`	`Adys`	`okay more seriously, is there some lib or addon that implements aceconsole's /dump in a portable way?`
`14:11.35`	`alestane`	`I use DevTools for /dump.`
`14:11.42`	`kneeki`	`^`
`14:11.45`	`Adys`	`I don't like devtool's dump`
`14:11.47`	`alestane`	`What do you mean by portable?`
`14:11.58`	`Adys`	`portable = I can use it in my addon, or at least copypaste it`
`14:12.18`	`alestane`	`As in, without tying you into an Ace framework?`
`14:12.24`	`Adys`	`ya`
`14:12.50`	`kneeki`	`Why not just use DevTools?`
`14:13.11`	`Adys`	`I got debug hooks a bit everywhere in multiple addons, right now TRACE("foo", args) returns "foo arg1 arg2 arg3"`
`14:13.18`	`Adys`	`its white its ugly`
`14:13.25`	`alestane`	`Well, I think you could use Ace's, but then you'd have to incorporate it under the GPL. You could always write one, I don't think it's terribly complex.`
`14:13.34`	`Adys`	`Im not releasing it`
`14:13.40`	`Adys`	`its just a personal debug lib`
`14:13.59`	`Adys`	`once released all the debug's stuff is gone, and it falls back to print() if anything is enabled`
`14:14.36`	`*** join/#wowuidev Silversage_ (n=ericnick@ppp-71-139-160-175.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)`
`14:14.58`	`Adys`	`also Im trying to get ace's working right now`
`14:15.04`	`Adys`	`but uh`
`14:15.06`	`Adys`	`its crashing wow.`
`14:15.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ace2 or 3?`
`14:15.31`	`Adys`	`ace2, couldnt find it in ace3`
`14:15.38`	`Adys`	`ochie`
`14:15.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Could be why.`
`14:15.54`	`Adys`	`Interface\FrameXML\RestrictedEnvironment.lua:28: stack overflow`
`14:16.02`	`Matsy`	`Osht`
`14:16.13`	`alestane`	`Well, as far as DevTools goes, the dump code is all in its own file, and the colors it uses are defined in local variables at the beginning of the file, so it may be easier to modify and de-Acing Ace.`
`14:16.17`	`alestane`	`than*`
`14:16.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`2 comes up as Incompatible on my wow install. I betcha it's omg-uncompatible!`
`14:16.58`	`Adys`	`quartz still uses ace2`
`14:17.21`	`alestane`	`That sounds like a really old version of Ace2, then, the incompatible tag was reserved for pre-BC stuff.`
`14:17.25`	`Adys`	`alestane: hardest part was figuring out where the relevant code was from the 3000 lines of aceconsole2.lua`
`14:17.41`	`Adys`	`but its not really tied to ace`
`14:18.15`	`Adys`	`where's iriel when you need him D:`
`14:20.43`	`alestane`	`Probably in the shower; he lives in California, where it's 7:20 am.`
`14:21.06`	`Wobin`	`and all californians shower at 7:20!`
`14:21.15`	`Adys`	`takes notes`
`14:22.18`	`alestane`	`Adys: Apparently you blew out the print function.`
`14:22.24`	`Aelobin`	`anyone got any info on how the arena rating system works in wow since they changed it?`
`14:22.39`	`Adys`	`Aelobin: it doesn't work, thats the problem`
`14:22.45`	`Aelobin`	`lol`
`14:23.25`	`Matsy`	`:<`
`14:24.32`	`Matsy`	`Is there a way to "pause" script execution for a short moment?`
`14:24.53`	`alestane`	`Matsy: Depends what you mean.`
`14:25.03`	`Adys`	`lua> f=function(...) a,b=loadstring(string.format("%q", table.concat({...}, ":")); a() end; f();`
`14:25.03`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: luabot:1: ')' expected near ';'`
`14:25.10`	`Matsy`	`Somewhat like a sleep() function in Lua.`
`14:25.22`	`Adys`	`lua> f=function(...) a,b=loadstring(string.format("%q", table.concat({...}, ":"))); a(); end; f();`
`14:25.23`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'a' (a nil value)`
`14:25.45`	`alestane`	`Matsy: Then, depends whether you want the game to freeze while your script is sleeping.`
`14:25.53`	`Matsy`	`Nope.`
`14:25.58`	`Matsy`	`If that is possible, at least`
`14:26.08`	`Adys`	`lua> f=function(...) local a,b=loadstring(string.format("%q", table.concat({...}, ":"))); a(); end; f();`
`14:26.08`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call local 'a' (a nil value)`
`14:26.11`	`Adys`	`wtf?`
`14:26.12`	`Matsy`	`Just a script-only freeze.`
`14:26.26`	`alestane`	`Matsy: There is a coroutine library.`
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`14:26.41`	`Wobin`	`coroutines are the devil =(`
`14:26.42`	`Matsy`	`Oh, a library.`
`14:26.52`	`Wobin`	`no, it's part of the build for WoW`
`14:27.18`	`alestane`	`It's a library, but it's part of the standard build of Lua and WoW includes it.`
`14:27.53`	`alestane`	`If you want to thread your code across multiple calls, that's about the only way to do it.`
`14:28.05`	`Adys`	`lua> f = function(...) a, b = loadstring(string.format("%q", table.concat({...}, ":"))); a(); end f()`
`14:28.06`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'a' (a nil value)`
`14:28.10`	`Adys`	`whatever I give up`
`14:28.24`	`alestane`	`You're not giving it anything to load.`
`14:28.27`	`Adys`	`though ":"))); is an awesome smiley`
`14:28.32`	`Adys`	`yeah on purpose alestane`
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`14:28.42`	`Adys`	`oh wait`
`14:28.46`	`Adys`	`loadstring returns nil`
`14:28.54`	`alestane`	`Because the table is empty.`
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`14:29.03`	`Adys`	`yeah`
`14:29.55`	`Adys`	`but why does it work in wow..`
`14:29.56`	`alestane`	`You're probably just not seeing where it's failing.,`
`14:29.56`	`krka`	`lua> f = function(...) a, b = loadstring(string.format("return %q", table.concat({...}, ":"))); return a(); end return f(1,2,3)`
`14:29.56`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 1:2:3`
`14:29.56`	`Adys`	`its failing all over my file`
`14:29.59`	`Adys`	`its even failing in the filename`
`14:30.00`	`Adys`	`with the .lua`
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`14:30.40`	`Matsy`	`Hai Shirik`
`14:30.48`	`Adys`	`lua> print(print)`
`14:30.48`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: function: 0x91e0f80`
`14:30.51`	`Adys`	`lua> print(print())`
`14:30.51`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: No output`
`14:31.01`	`Guest44457`	`hi`
`14:31.07`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Guest44457] by ChanServ`
`14:31.15`	`Matsy`	`Guest ops. how nice ;p`
`14:31.27`	`krka`	`print(print(print()))`
`14:31.29`	`krka`	`lua> print(print(print()))`
`14:31.29`	`lua_bot`	`krka: No output`
`14:31.32`	`Adys`	`krka: table.concat doesnt accept non strings =(`
`14:31.55`	`krka`	`err what?`
`14:32.03`	`Shirik`	`my laptop identifies in a really strange order when it times out`
`14:32.07`	`krka`	`lua> return table.concat({1,2,3}, 0)`
`14:32.07`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 10203`
`14:32.25`	`krka`	`obviously the first argument must be a table, but other than that it's pretty non-strict`
`14:32.29`	`Adys`	`uh`
`14:32.43`	`Shirik`	`lua> return table.concat({newproxy(), {}, true}, 7.5)`
`14:32.44`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: luabot:1: invalid value (userdata) at index 1 in table for 'concat'`
`14:32.46`	`Shirik`	`aww`
`14:32.55`	`widgertick`	`hugs Lopeppeppy`
`14:33.03`	`Adys`	`bad argument #1 to 'concat' (table contains non-strings)`
`14:33.04`	`widgertick`	`fl33s!`
`14:33.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`gives chase. It's on! :P`
`14:33.37`	`Shirik`	`boggles`
`14:33.47`	`krka`	`i think it only allows strings and numbers`
`14:33.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yes dear?`
`14:33.49`	`Adys`	`hey Shirik`
`14:34.04`	`Adys`	`do you know of an addon/lib that implements /dump in a non-fucked way?`
`14:34.12`	`Shirik`	`devtools`
`14:34.18`	`Adys`	`tried`
`14:34.19`	`Fisker-`	`Shirik`
`14:34.22`	`Fisker-`	`enlarge my balls`
`14:34.30`	`Adys`	`tried`
`14:34.32`	`Shirik`	`Fisker-: You need to get some first`
`14:34.34`	`krka`	`impressive to install DevTools and fail`
`14:34.45`	`Fisker-`	`I got lots of balls Shirik`
`14:34.47`	`Fisker-`	`12 actually`
`14:35.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No wonder.`
`14:35.56`	`widgertick`	`If you're having problems with DevTools, I suggest you blame other addons :P`
`14:36.05`	`Adys`	`Im not having problems with devtools`
`14:36.11`	`Adys`	`its just not right`
`14:36.18`	`krka`	`I think it's Skit bakom spakarna`
`14:36.33`	`widgertick`	`Skit bakom spakarna gets me every time.`
`14:36.34`	`Adys`	`I like the way aceconsole does it, keeping every arg on a single line if possible`
`14:36.50`	`Matsy`	`Fuck behind levers?`
`14:36.58`	`Adys`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:37.01`	`Matsy`	`what`
`14:37.13`	`Shirik`	`there is actually something wrong with devtools`
`14:37.30`	`Shirik`	`and I've been meaning to supply a patch for it`
`14:37.35`	`Shirik`	`it doesn't handle nils properly`
`14:37.40`	`krka`	`poor nils!`
`14:37.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lorem ipsum dolor...`
`14:37.51`	`widgertick`	`i`
`14:37.52`	`widgertick`	`think`
`14:37.53`	`widgertick`	`formatting`
`14:37.54`	`widgertick`	`indicates`
`14:37.55`	`widgertick`	`personal`
`14:37.59`	`widgertick`	`preference`
`14:38.00`	`Adys`	`oh you`
`14:38.14`	`Shirik`	`!quote KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected`
`14:38.14`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [widgertick!n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam] by Shiibot (spam)`
`14:38.14`	`batbot`	`Shirik, kick has not said anything with your given pattern.`
`14:38.24`	`*** join/#wowuidev widgertick (n=widgerti@unaffiliated/widgertick)`
`14:38.24`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o widgertick] by ChanServ`
`14:38.34`	`Adys`	`where did the "detected" go?`
`14:38.34`	`widgertick`	`Wow, that was cool, you kicked me with a bot.`
`14:38.42`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=widgerti@unaffiliated/widgertick] by widgertick (Kick!)`
`14:38.44`	`*** part/#wowuidev widgertick (n=widgerti@unaffiliated/widgertick)`
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`14:38.53`	`Shirik`	`and I was supposed to do that in a secret channel >.>`
`14:39.10`	`Adys`	`seriously`
`14:39.14`	`Adys`	`where did the detected go?`
`14:39.18`	`Shirik`	`I don't know`
`14:39.21`	`Shirik`	`maybe my pattern is screwed`
`14:40.16`	`mikma`	`now you got widger mad`
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`14:40.42`	`zenzelezz`	`looks like widger wasn't too happy about it`
`14:40.48`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`14:40.52`	`Gosy`	`:O`
`14:41.08`	`Adys`	`okay`
`14:41.12`	`Adys`	`ill try modifying devtools`
`14:41.16`	`Adys`	`but this bothers me`
`14:41.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`ponders.`
`14:41.25`	`Shirik`	`hmm`
`14:41.28`	`Shirik`	`to look at Shiibot's code`
`14:41.33`	`Shirik`	`it helps to actually log on to the right location`
`14:41.39`	`Shirik`	`s/location/server/`
`14:42.04`	`sylvanaar`	`i use the ace derivative of dump`
`14:43.10`	`sylvanaar`	`i have all the source in a single file, easy to reuse`
`14:43.32`	`Shirik`	`local chan, msg = msg:match("^%s(#%S+)%s:%+%s*![Qq][Uu][Oo][Tt][Ee]%s+(.-)$") ;`
`14:44.21`	`Adys`	`sylvanaar: feel free to share? :P`
`14:44.35`	`sylvanaar`	`its in Prat 3.0`
`14:44.41`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout`
`14:44.54`	`sylvanaar`	`you can grab it from there - its in the debug folder - printliteral.ua`
`14:44.58`	`Shirik`	`lua> ("PRIVMSG #wowuidev :!QUOTE KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected"):match("^%s(#%S+)%s:%+%s*![Qq][Uu][Oo][Tt][Ee]%s+(.-)$")`
`14:44.58`	`Adys`	`sylvanaar: link?`
`14:44.59`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: nil`
`14:45.02`	`Shirik`	`er`
`14:45.09`	`Shirik`	`oh right`
`14:45.15`	`Shirik`	`lua> ("PRIVMSG #wowuidev :!+QUOTE KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected"):match("^%s(#%S+)%s:%+%s*![Qq][Uu][Oo][Tt][Ee]%s+(.-)$")`
`14:45.16`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: nil`
`14:45.18`	`Shirik`	`damn it`
`14:45.21`	`Shirik`	`lua> ("PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+!QUOTE KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected"):match("^%s(#%S+)%s:%+%s*![Qq][Uu][Oo][Tt][Ee]%s+(.-)$")`
`14:45.22`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: nil`
`14:45.25`	`Shirik`	`I give up`
`14:45.32`	`Shirik`	`anyway, Adys, it looks right to me :/`
`14:45.32`	`sylvanaar`	`s/\.ua/\.lua/`
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`14:46.55`	`sylvanaar`	`Adys http://www.wowace.com/projects/prat-3-0/`
`14:47.03`	`Addybot`	`thanks`
`14:47.22`	`krka`	`lua> ("PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+!QUOTE KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected"):match("%s(#%S+)%s:%+%s*![Qq][Uu][Oo][Tt][Ee]%s+(.-)$")`
`14:47.22`	`lua_bot`	`krka: #wowuidev, KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected`
`14:47.22`	`Addybot`	`lua> ("PRIVMSG #wowuidev +:!QUOTE KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected"):match("^%s(#%S+)%s:%+%s*![Qq][Uu][Oo][Tt][Ee]%s+(.-)$")`
`14:47.22`	`lua_bot`	`Addybot: nil`
`14:47.46`	`sylvanaar`	`lua patterns are just plain fail in every way`
`14:47.54`	`Addybot`	`yea`
`14:47.56`	`Addybot`	`>>> import re`
`14:48.14`	`sylvanaar`	`if you say you like them - you are lying or crazy`
`14:48.23`	`Dagmar`	`...or literate.`
`14:48.29`	`Adys`	`or plain stupid`
`14:48.29`	`Shirik`	`Quote message: KICK #wowuidev widgertick spam detected`
`14:48.30`	`Shirik`	`Total score: 0.50088753097978`
`14:48.30`	`Shirik`	`:Shiibot!n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam KICK #wowuidev widgertick :spam`
`14:48.33`	`Shirik`	`so something's jacked up`
`14:48.40`	`Shirik`	`^ the log file`
`14:48.42`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout`
`14:48.43`	`krka`	`I like them as much as I like regular expressions :)`
`14:49.01`	`Shirik`	`the third line is the response from freenode`
`14:49.11`	`Shirik`	`the first line is what's being sent`
`14:49.31`	`Dagmar`	`Shirik: You didn't send a colon`
`14:49.32`	`sylvanaar`	`have you seen what it takes to match a single name in a text string?`
`14:49.38`	`Shirik`	`oo`
`14:49.42`	`Adys`	`sylvanaar: so are you actually able to use this from an addon?`
`14:49.50`	`Dagmar`	`Shirik: The colon marks the last part as _being more than one word_`
`14:49.50`	`sylvanaar`	`Adys yes`
`14:50.44`	`Shirik`	`ok gotta go byes`
`14:50.59`	`sylvanaar`	`Adys you can either put it in your addon, use prat's, or tekkub has spew that is similar`
`14:51.16`	`sylvanaar`	`prat's adds ChatFrame:print(), and a few other things`
`14:51.36`	`Adys`	`trying a last thing with devtools' and then trying yours`
`14:52.28`	`Fisker-`	`Shir`
`14:52.31`	`Fisker-`	`ffffffuuuuuu-`
`14:53.32`	`mikma`	`haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGC53nH8hXQ`
`14:54.54`	`Fisker-`	`You`
`14:56.54`	`mikma`	`damn it's almost 30c outside`
`14:58.16`	`Fisker-`	`so take of all your clothes`
`15:01.12`	`mikma`	`i have, fisker-`
`15:02.30`	`haste`	`take of your skin`
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`15:04.08`	`alestane`	`That will prevent you from sweating, and probably won't help stay cool.`
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`15:05.32`	`*** part/#wowuidev Scify (n=scifi_ru@85.234.7.42.info-link.ru)`
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`15:07.28`	`Adys`	`okay I give up`
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`15:07.50`	`Adys`	`seriously`
`15:07.58`	`Adys`	`devtools is great on the implementation`
`15:07.59`	`Adys`	`but`
`15:08.05`	`Adys`	`i cant have one-liners`
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`15:16.42`	`nicoli_s`	`so AckisWork, how much did you have to pay the wowinsider people to do a piece on you?`
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`15:17.16`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`15:17.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hmm?`
`15:17.58`	`AckisWork`	`nicoli_s: no more than I pay curse ;)`
`15:19.29`	`nicoli_s`	`you pay curse? damn i gotta find that money and get my cut`
`15:19.46`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`15:19.52`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: guess what!`
`15:20.10`	`Shishire`	`Can someone explain to me how I can make a multiline (fixed size) editbox with a scrollbar?`
`15:21.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What, Ackis? What?`
`15:22.02`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: I has new kitten! lol`
`15:22.32`	`nicoli_s`	`i wish i had a house i could get more kitties`
`15:22.40`	`zenzelezz`	`AckisWork: why does that make you laugh?`
`15:23.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Where are pictures, Ackis? Hmm?`
`15:23.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Screenshot or it didn't happen!`
`15:23.23`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: should be some on facebook darlin :P`
`15:23.32`	`AckisWork`	`zenzelezz: because I'm a crazy cat lady... with a penis`
`15:23.48`	`zenzelezz`	`oh yes, the dreaded crazy cat transsexual`
`15:25.27`	`Silversage`	`LF1M Hunter (not already using powa) to beta-test mana alert addon.`
`15:26.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`kitty name?`
`15:26.32`	`airtonix`	`no such thing as hunters anymore, only deathknights`
`15:27.08`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: just named him last night... Indy :D`
`15:27.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We named the DOG Indiana!`
`15:27.17`	`nicoli_s`	`haha`
`15:27.23`	`nicoli_s`	`all my kitties have pasta names`
`15:28.39`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`15:28.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My darlin' came pre-named.`
`15:28.59`	`AckisWork`	`this guy was pre-named cyclone`
`15:29.15`	`AckisWork`	`ironically enough he jumped on the gf's keyboard and cycloned a mob we were killing`
`15:29.18`	`Silversage`	`Lopeppeppy: Mine did, too. But she changed last name when we got married.`
`15:29.37`	`AckisWork`	`you married your kitten?`
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`15:29.48`	`alestane`	`No, his darling.`
`15:29.51`	`Silversage`	`No. I married my "darlin'".`
`15:29.53`	`nicoli_s`	`no one can top the kitty names of spaghetti, ravioli and alfredo`
`15:30.09`	`Silversage`	`I hate cats.`
`15:30.14`	`mikma`	`i hate you`
`15:30.49`	`Silversage`	`My family's cats are: Butterscotch, Snickers, Soleil, Shirkhan, Luna, and Lilly.`
`15:31.21`	`Silversage`	`At least 2 are illegal immigrants -- acquired without Dad's approval.`
`15:31.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`http://wowmods007.com/`
`15:31.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`have we seen this yet?`
`15:32.00`	`\|pez\|`	`I'd probably call mine Vector, Pixel, Grid, Margin, Bleed, and other stupid designelements.`
`15:32.11`	`\|pez\|`	`Oh, and also Typo, but that'd be short for Typography.. >__>`
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`15:32.39`	`Silversage`	`I ran across a dog named "Teco" some time back.`
`15:32.41`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: i bet every addon is .exe`
`15:33.25`	`sacarasc`	`mikma: The one I just tested was.`
`15:33.36`	`mikma`	`HAHAHA`
`15:33.38`	`mikma`	`same`
`15:33.42`	`haste`	`Unit-Frames addons -> Ackis Recipe List`
`15:33.44`	`haste`	`:-----------------D`
`15:33.45`	`Silversage`	`Yuk.`
`15:33.53`	`Silversage`	`Anyone analyzed any of the .exes.`
`15:34.11`	`mikma`	`and that's my friend, is how you get "hacked" in p3lim way`
`15:34.30`	`AckisWork`	`haste: huh?`
`15:34.38`	`haste`	`AckisWork: on the site jnwhiteh linked above`
`15:34.41`	`AckisWork`	`ah`
`15:36.17`	`Zyndrome`	`Microsoft1.47012009.06.01PWS:Win32/Wowsteal.AO!dll`
`15:36.23`	`Zyndrome`	`:p`
`15:37.02`	`Zyndrome`	`downloaded a random .exe and uploaded to virustotal`
`15:37.17`	`Zyndrome`	`keylogger, trojan, malware, the whole shabang`
`15:37.58`	`mikma`	`awesome :D`
`15:38.17`	`Zyndrome`	`VBA323.12.10.62009.05.31suspected of Malware-Cryptor.Win32.General.4`
`15:38.18`	`Zyndrome`	`DrWeb5.0.0.121822009.05.29Trojan.PWS.Wow.origin`
`15:38.19`	`Zyndrome`	`etc`
`15:38.32`	`sacarasc`	`All "download" links are the same file. Not even named different.`
`15:38.52`	`Zyndrome`	`seems legit, bro!`
`15:39.04`	`haste`	`false positive Zyndrome !`
`15:39.21`	`Zyndrome`	`¯\(°_o)/¯`
`15:41.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`sexy`
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`15:49.56`	`Fisker-`	`slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout`
`15:51.14`	`mikma`	`yeah, fister-?`
`15:52.03`	`airtonix`	`lol`
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`15:53.43`	`Fisker-`	`slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout`
`15:53.48`	`Fisker-`	`They make crazy music`
`15:53.48`	`mikma`	`yeah, fister-?`
`15:56.41`	`haste`	`Fisker-: no they don't`
`15:57.23`	`Fisker-`	`yes they do`
`15:58.31`	`haste`	`Fisker-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQs8yNKMn5M&fmt=18 then what's this :D ?`
`15:59.05`	`Fisker-`	`nonsense`
`15:59.40`	`haste`	`it be music!`
`15:59.42`	`haste`	`awesome music >:3`
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`16:00.40`	`Lunessa`	`station`
`16:00.45`	`mikma`	`gas`
`16:00.55`	`Fisker-`	`haste maybe`
`16:00.56`	`haste`	`sony`
`16:01.06`	`Fisker-`	`But my point is`
`16:01.12`	`Fisker-`	`THEY MADE A SONG BASED ON A KEBAB SHOP IN ISRAEL`
`16:01.15`	`Fisker-`	`= CRAZY`
`16:01.16`	`Fisker-`	`get it?`
`16:01.30`	`haste`	`sounds normal`
`16:01.45`	`Matsy`	`What`
`16:01.46`	`Matsy`	`Zyndrome`
`16:01.49`	`Matsy`	`What did you download`
`16:01.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Zydrate come in a little glass vial.`
`16:02.01`	`Zyndrome`	`anything :<`
`16:02.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, Lunessa`
`16:02.27`	`Matsy`	`Anything?`
`16:02.47`	`Zyndrome`	`PetBar`
`16:06.03`	`Lunessa`	`huggles Lopeppeppy.`
`16:06.57`	`nicoli_s`	`ooh, new halo game`
`16:07.16`	`Lunessa`	`Ackis: Gratz`
`16:08.15`	`AckisWork`	`Lunessa: ty...`
`16:08.39`	`Zyndrome`	`would not suprise me at all if Microsoft announced ANOTHER Halo game this E3 :P`
`16:08.46`	`Matsy`	`I dont hope so`
`16:08.47`	`durcyn`	`i'm so proud of you, Ackis`
`16:08.52`	`Matsy`	`Microsoft should make some real game.s`
`16:09.32`	`Zyndrome`	`and then Nintendo follow suit and make yet another game of one of their already milked dry franchises`
`16:09.35`	`Zyndrome`	`¯\(°_o)/¯`
`16:09.43`	`Matsy`	`Such as?`
`16:09.45`	`AckisWork`	`durcyn: thanks...`
`16:09.50`	`AckisWork`	`(what did I do?)`
`16:09.54`	`nicoli_s`	`zyndrome, they are`
`16:09.58`	`nicoli_s`	`called halo: reach`
`16:10.00`	`Zyndrome`	`presto, Super Mario Universe`
`16:10.09`	`durcyn`	`Zyndrome: i'd kill people for another metroid game`
`16:10.11`	`Lunessa`	`At least it's not another Sonic game.`
`16:10.17`	`durcyn`	`Ackis: does it matter?`
`16:10.36`	`nicoli_s`	`ditto durcyn`
`16:10.38`	`AckisWork`	`durcyn: no, i'll still take credit but i'd like to know`
`16:11.03`	`mikma`	`spotify:track:3xHijZxJdGBhplEVMpFVkV`
`16:11.12`	`zenzelezz`	`!g relativistic velocity for dummies`
`16:11.12`	`batbot`	`zenzelezz: Telescope Reviews: General Relativity for Dummies <http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Board/science/Number/64226/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/7/o/all/fpart/4>`
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`16:13.10`	`zenzelezz`	`blinks`
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`16:39.28`	`nicoli_s`	`sweet! left 4 dead 2`
`16:40.17`	`zenzelezz`	`so they were left, but didn't die the first time around?`
`16:40.43`	`nicoli_s`	`well id imagine theyd have diff people`
`16:41.17`	`durcyn`	`the working title is "left 4 dead: 2 groups"`
`16:42.21`	`nicoli_s`	`or maybe just "left 4 dead 2: the one after the second one but still before the third one if there is indeed an opportunity to create a third one"`
`16:42.32`	`nicoli_s`	`crap second = first`
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`16:48.12`	`foxlit`	`AnduinLothar: "-- map raid1pet to raidpet1" is in securetemplates code`
`16:49.55`	`nicoli_s`	`woot! new monkey island too`
`16:50.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Monkeys rule.`
`16:50.31`	`durcyn`	`nicoli_s: oh man, i need to fire up SCUMMVM now`
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`16:50.53`	`nicoli_s`	`http://kotaku.com/5273950/new-and-old-monkey-island-adventures-in-the-works`
`16:51.18`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm wary of being excited by new Monkey Islands. MI4 wasn't all that`
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`17:00.27`	`Fisker-`	`slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout`
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`17:02.45`	`foxlit`	`whee, the new secure template internals are more fun`
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`17:06.09`	`alestane`	`foxlit: ???`
`17:06.39`	`foxlit`	`The long, long _OnClick function is actually split into several and uses a table lookup`
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`17:07.38`	`alestane`	`Yes, it was getting unmaintainable.`
`17:08.24`	`alestane`	`And while I was in there integrating secure handler support, it seemed like something we could try and take care of.`
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`17:08.53`	`zenzelezz`	`so, an airplane crashes and people get all "OMG I SO AFRAID NOW". Tens of cars crash every day, and people are like "yeah, whatever, I'm just going to use my cell phone and whatever while speeding"`
`17:09.06`	`ronghail`	`yep`
`17:10.30`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm also amused at how everyone has jumped at the explanation "it might have been hit by lightning"; ignoring the fact that airplanes are designed to handle that`
`17:11.01`	`zenzelezz`	`will be interesting to see if they find the wreckage and the cause`
`17:12.17`	`Shadowed`	`alestane: You happen to know anything about allowVehicleTarget that was added in 3.1?`
`17:12.57`	`Shadowed`	`couldn't figure out what it was supposed to actually do since toggleForVehicle worked fine`
`17:13.20`	`foxlit`	`!api GetAttribute`
`17:13.20`	`lua_bot`	`Frame:GetAttribute: Returns the value of a frame attribute (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/GetAttribute)`
`17:13.49`	`alestane`	`Shadowed: I think Esamynn\|Away proposed that. It covers an edge case of some kind.`
`17:13.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`votes for catastrophic downdraft.`
`17:13.55`	`Shadowed`	`ah`
`17:13.57`	`Shadowed`	`prods Esamynn\|Away`
`17:14.03`	`Shadowed`	`it looked like it was for casting on a vehicle`
`17:14.06`	`Shadowed`	`but thats about all I could tell`
`17:14.37`	`nevcairiel`	`i only use toggleForVehicle and it works fine, what do you care what the other thing does if it works already? =P`
`17:14.58`	`Shadowed`	`because I would hope that they didn't add it for no reason :p`
`17:15.07`	`Shadowed`	`so if it does cover an obscure case, would be nice to know that case at least`
`17:15.09`	`nevcairiel`	`ocd much? :p`
`17:15.22`	`Shadowed`	`of course`
`17:15.57`	`zenzelezz`	`Lopeppeppy: how does that work?`
`17:16.26`	`alestane`	`Shadowed: It says whether a unit defined as, for instance, "party1target" should be remapped to "partypet1target" when party1 is in a vehicle.`
`17:16.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Big draft of air, whoosh. blink How else would it work?`
`17:16.40`	`Shadowed`	`ahh`
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`17:16.47`	`Shadowed`	`so it's for doing party target frames then in vehicles`
`17:17.10`	`Shadowed`	`which is actually useful, since I want party targets to work with vehicles`
`17:17.11`	`Shadowed`	`grins at nevcairiel`
`17:17.28`	`zenzelezz`	`Lopeppeppy: I'm not too familiar with such things. This airplane would most likely have been at pretty high altitude, since it was flying over the Atlantic, can downdraft be severe enough for that? They do say there could have been pretty bad weather`
`17:17.31`	`Shadowed`	`thanks alestane`
`17:17.45`	`nevcairiel`	`party targets are so useless :P`
`17:18.04`	`AckisWork`	`is there an event that lets me know when cvars have been changed?`
`17:18.11`	`alestane`	`Yes.`
`17:18.12`	`Shadowed`	`CVAR_UPDATE/CVAR_UPDATED`
`17:18.13`	`Shadowed`	`one of those`
`17:18.21`	`Shadowed`	`although I want to say it's inconsistent and doesn't always fire`
`17:18.30`	`zenzelezz`	`I had mixed success with it, so I hooked SetCVar`
`17:18.31`	`AckisWork`	`nod`
`17:18.32`	`AckisWork`	`ty`
`17:18.47`	`AckisWork`	`I just want to do it for debug purposes, not a huge issue`
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`17:19.35`	`Roofel`	`Is it possible to get the amount of Druids there are in a raid by coding?`
`17:19.47`	`zenzelezz`	`pretty simple`
`17:19.48`	`Roofel`	`as GetNumRaidMembers lists the whole raid regardless of class :P`
`17:20.01`	`zenzelezz`	`iterate over the raid, calling UnitClass on each one?`
`17:20.26`	`Roofel`	`Hmm, maybe`
`17:20.37`	`nevcairiel`	`!api GetRaidRosterInfo`
`17:20.37`	`lua_bot`	`GetRaidRosterInfo: Returns information about a member of the player's raid (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRaidRosterInfo)`
`17:20.46`	`nevcairiel`	`that returns class directly`
`17:21.18`	`Roofel`	`hmm, okey`
`17:24.24`	`AckisWork`	`you know, I'm thinking the wowwiki api stuff is getting more and more out of date/incomplete and that wowprogramming is better (before they were both complete and good)`
`17:24.32`	`Lunessa`	`... awesome? http://xkcd.com/591/`
`17:24.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Fix wowwiki?`
`17:24.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very, Lunessa, very!`
`17:25.02`	`foxlit`	`Generally, fewer people seem to contribute. Link the relevant pages, imo.`
`17:25.29`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: why? just link to wowprogramming now, or remove the api stuff and use wowprogramming`
`17:26.07`	`AckisWork`	`two sources of truth == bad imo`
`17:26.37`	`foxlit`	`It's meh.`
`17:27.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ha`
`17:27.21`	`AckisWork`	`UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS == battleground status/queue?`
`17:27.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lunessa: thanks to that xkcd, I'm told that 4chan renamed /b/ to "Twilight Appreciation Station"`
`17:27.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`wowprogramming.com, gotcha`
`17:27.39`	`zenzelezz`	`<AckisWork> two sources of truth == bad imo <--- just look at the bible, four gospels, and what a mess it became`
`17:27.53`	`AckisWork`	`or is it deprecated to PVPQUEUE_ANYWHERE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE`
`17:28.03`	`AckisWork`	`zenzelezz: lets close that can of worms :P`
`17:28.11`	`zenzelezz`	`hey, you started it`
`17:28.52`	`Lunessa`	`SBO - I'm not a fan of either thing, but... seriously, that xkcd just sort of made my mind twist like trying to imagine a stick with only one end.`
`17:28.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://echochamber.me/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=40054&start=40#p1597967`
`17:28.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(^ xkcd forums)`
`17:29.29`	`foxlit`	`I'd settle on`
`17:29.36`	`foxlit`	`Two outdated sources of truth << even sillier.`
`17:30.45`	`Adys`	`~wowiquotes`
`17:30.46`	`purl`	`http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes`
`17:31.14`	`AckisWork`	`Adys: you pinged me a day or so ago?`
`17:31.20`	`Adys`	`yea`
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`17:32.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=43#quote-43`
`17:33.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I don't know how I missed that one`
`17:34.26`	`nevcairiel`	`possibly because your client is smart and hides netsplits?`
`17:34.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`well, it summarizes them on a single line`
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`17:41.34`	`Matsy`	`LOL Lunessa.`
`17:43.56`	`Lunessa`	`Matsy: Laughing about a stick with only one end, or the licensing quote? I can never tell.`
`17:46.10`	`Matsy`	`Oh`
`17:46.13`	`Matsy`	`Should've finished that one too.`
`17:46.17`	`Matsy`	`The xkcd comic.`
`17:46.56`	`alestane`	`"Argue not with stupid, lest ye become stupid; and when you gaze into the internet, the internet also gazes back into you."`
`17:48.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`:)`
`17:49.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes?ids=206#quote-206`
`17:49.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:49.57`	`Adys`	`that was to fisker`
`17:50.01`	`Adys`	`i still remember it`
`17:50.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~Adys++`
`17:50.12`	`zenzelezz`	`I recall a slightly similar comment about stupidity... "don't hold your farts; they creep up your spine and enter your brain. That's where stupid ideas come from"`
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`17:52.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`wtf`
`17:52.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes?ids=265#quote-265`
`17:52.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I need that script`
`17:52.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`-need-`
`17:53.26`	`Adys`	`it wasnt a script`
`17:53.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That is disappointing`
`17:53.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Now I need to write one`
`17:53.47`	`Adys`	`:/`
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`18:06.11`	`Adys`	`good night`
`18:06.15`	`zenzelezz`	`shows ScytheBlade1 a one-dimensional care meter: .`
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`18:07.17`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: that looks a lot like what your one-dimensional pen is, space intended`
`18:08.06`	`zenzelezz`	`\o/`
`18:17.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`18:17.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24297`
`18:18.15`	`zenzelezz`	`got to love onliongames`
`18:18.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wont' got!`
`18:18.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Cairenn, Shirik... http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24297`
`18:19.01`	`Cairenn`	`on it`
`18:19.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I found it amusing the that filters got it`
`18:20.22`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, the domain has already been censored, when other spammers posted it`
`18:20.48`	`zenzelezz`	`could be the filter just checks the post content and if it seems like gold spam, hides all URLs`
`18:20.51`	`foxlit`	`"TODO figure out where this GMA call came from, it's new"`
`18:20.54`	`foxlit`	`I so wonder.`
`18:22.30`	`Cairenn`	`zenzelezz: nope`
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`18:28.12`	`nicoli_s`	`man i love around e3 time`
`18:29.05`	`Dagmar`	`...because everyone's getting ready for Pennt Arcade Expo? ;)`
`18:30.01`	`Dagmar`	`s/Pennt/Penny/;`
`18:30.02`	`nicoli_s`	`no cuz of all the awesome new game announcements`
`18:30.15`	`zenzelezz`	`18 more days until ARMA2 \o/`
`18:30.34`	`nicoli_s`	`arma2?`
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`18:30.52`	`zenzelezz`	`yup`
`18:30.53`	`Dagmar`	`...and no more talk about "progress" on Duke Nuke'Em Forever?`
`18:31.11`	`alestane`	`Isn't it pretty officially dead now?`
`18:31.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yes`
`18:31.34`	`nicoli_s`	`unless someone else decides to take it over`
`18:31.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's what happens when the publisher sues the developer for giving them nothing`
`18:31.44`	`nicoli_s`	`honestly, the demo real looked pretty good`
`18:32.26`	`Industrial`	`I have 11111 mana!`
`18:32.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`How very`
`18:32.36`	VonhintenHOME`	`Anyone seen Aion?`
`18:32.39`	`nicoli_s`	`oh yes`
`18:32.41`	VonhintenHOME`	`http://www.aiononline.com/us/`
`18:32.56`	`nicoli_s`	`i can talk more once the nda drops`
`18:33.39`	`nicoli_s`	`but its good :)`
`18:37.03`	VonhintenHOME`	`I just want DAoC with fresh graphics... won't someone give me DAoC with fresh graphics please...`
`18:38.03`	`Dagmar`	`Everyone's just going to run around wearing black again`
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`18:39.17`	`AckisWork`	`sighs`
`18:39.22`	`AckisWork`	`we got a call from the SPCA`
`18:39.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They can't have Indy back.`
`18:39.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Grrrr.`
`18:39.36`	`Kaelten`	`hrm?`
`18:39.36`	`AckisWork`	`new kittens brother is "seriously ill" and we need to bring him back today asap`
`18:39.50`	`nicoli_s`	`:S`
`18:39.56`	`AckisWork`	`Kaelten: I got a new kitten on saturday`
`18:40.01`	`Kaelten`	`oh`
`18:40.03`	VonhintenHOME`	`seriously ill with what?`
`18:40.05`	`Kaelten`	`don't you have enough pets?`
`18:40.07`	`Kaelten`	`:P`
`18:40.07`	`nicoli_s`	`hope its ok AckisWork`
`18:40.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Okay... are they going to put him BACK in the cage with his brother?`
`18:40.13`	`nicoli_s`	`one can never have too many kittuns`
`18:40.23`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: no, they want the vet to check him out`
`18:40.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or actually keep him quarrantined until they know whether he has.. what exactly, again?`
`18:40.31`	`AckisWork`	`Kaelten: never!!!`
`18:40.41`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: it's a kitten cold that's out of hand`
`18:40.46`	`nicoli_s`	`if i didnt live in an apt id certainly have more kitties`
`18:40.52`	`AckisWork`	`not distemper or anything`
`18:41.15`	`AckisWork`	`Kaelten: we named this one Indy like Indiana Jones!!! :D`
`18:41.24`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`18:41.27`	`AckisWork`	`Murky, Cloud, Kuma and Indy... lol /groan`
`18:41.31`	VonhintenHOME`	`But they named the _DOG_ Indiana`
`18:41.32`	`Kaelten`	`I've been banning people all morning`
`18:41.32`	VonhintenHOME`	`not the kitty`
`18:41.39`	`netcurse2`	<VonhintenHOME`> I just want DAoC with fresh graphics... won't someone give me DAoC with fresh graphics please...
`18:41.41`	`netcurse2`	`Aion`
`18:41.45`	`netcurse2`	`same RvR system`
`18:41.49`	`netcurse2`	`(nearly)`
`18:41.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If they're going to keep Indy isolated when he comes in, fine. But if they plan on sticking him in a cage with other cats... that's not positive.`
`18:41.50`	`AckisWork`	`i've heard aion sucks`
`18:41.58`	`netcurse2`	`Aion is good.`
`18:42.17`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: no they're checking up on him, he's ours but he got sick before we had him so the sickness is "their" responsibility... really strange how it works`
`18:42.19`	VonhintenHOME`	`netcurse, yeah maybe, my only concern is, the DAoC combat system is what I really loved... plus, Aion is very beautiful...`
`18:42.21`	`AckisWork`	`Kaelten: I'm not banned! :D`
`18:42.36`	`Kaelten`	`Ackis :P`
`18:42.37`	VonhintenHOME`	`and unfortunately, very beautiful and massively multiplayer large scale battles = bad news`
`18:42.43`	`netcurse2`	VonhintenHOME`, the only difference with both combat systems is that there is less AOE ccs.
`18:42.55`	VonhintenHOME`	`netcurse, QQ :(`
`18:43.00`	`nicoli_s`	`i cant wait to try out the flying comabt in aion`
`18:43.04`	`AckisWork`	`hey netcurse2 get me a murky pet for wow pls :D`
`18:43.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`As long as they're not going to do anything to make him sick... rawr for SPCA's with sicknesses.`
`18:43.23`	VonhintenHOME`	`oh god, 3D space combat?`
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`18:43.27`	VonhintenHOME`	`say it ain't so`
`18:43.47`	`netcurse2`	VonhintenHOME` don't get me wrong i love aoe ccs. only way to farm zergs ;P
`18:43.51`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: he got sick there when we got him, they just got a new building actually, it's very very nice, great for the critters`
`18:44.17`	`netcurse2`	VonhintenHOME`, the 3d engine is really good. you can scale it down for massive combat with no problems.
`18:44.20`	VonhintenHOME`	`netcurse, exactly... plus, the interrupt dynamic with spamming AOE's is part of what made it fun`
`18:44.42`	`netcurse2`	`I played daoc for 3 years with a fixed 8 man grp. I'll play aion. you should also :)`
`18:44.43`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: http://www.edmontonhumanesociety.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90:public-open-house-celebration-weekend&catid=7:newsroom`
`18:44.52`	`nicoli_s`	VonhintenHOME`, no space combat, flying with wings
`18:45.06`	`netcurse2`	`you can flight for 30 seconds to 1 minute and fight.`
`18:45.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Suspicious Peppy is suspicious...`
`18:45.16`	VonhintenHOME`	`netcurse, well, I'll definitely try it... warhammer was a big disappointment in the pants`
`18:45.46`	`AckisWork`	`suspicous aboot what?`
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`18:45.58`	VonhintenHOME`	`If it can bring back some of that gank group 8 man fun, it wins`
`18:46.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I've had some interesting encounters with pet care before/after SPCA adoptions. Kennel cough, colds, infections, etc...`
`18:46.35`	`Cide`	`http://www.cide.ws/design.jpg -- good/bad idea? I asked before but got no responses`
`18:46.43`	`Cide`	`oops`
`18:46.58`	`Cide`	`now it works`
`18:47.09`	`Kaelten`	`Cide: what is it for?`
`18:47.11`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: kennel cough/uri is common, all my cats have had uri`
`18:47.13`	`nicoli_s`	`oooh facebook on the 360 jus twhat ive always dreamed of`
`18:47.19`	`Cide`	`Kaelten: frame designer`
`18:47.25`	`Kaelten`	`hrm`
`18:47.26`	`Cide`	`as an addon, that is`
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`18:47.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They shouldn't, Ackis... rawr for proper pet care.`
`18:47.34`	`Kaelten`	`could be good`
`18:47.37`	`Kaelten`	`hard to say`
`18:47.44`	`Cide`	`how so?`
`18:48.07`	`Kaelten`	`it's hard for me to say until I see it`
`18:48.10`	`Kaelten`	`see it/try using it`
`18:48.19`	`Kaelten`	`looks like a neat idea though`
`18:48.27`	`AckisWork`	`Lopeppeppy: you can't isolate every critter that comes in :(`
`18:48.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`As long as it uses XML, great idea ;)`
`18:48.35`	`Cide`	`why xml?`
`18:49.01`	`Kaelten`	`ScytheBlade1: you could have it output lua`
`18:49.20`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm guessing XML would be easier to parse back in than lua`
`18:49.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ackis.. there are things you can do, like isolate litters that come in, etc...`
`18:49.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It just seems like one of those things which, given WoW's XML API, would be preferred. The structure is well defined, the files you save/load would be directly usable with WoW, and you could open existing XML based frames with it`
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`18:49.56`	`Cide`	`I wasn't thinking it would load existing frames`
`18:49.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I watched one SPCA put a new arrival mom and litter of 5 into a cage with 2 animals who had been there for a month... no testing, nothing.... sigh`
`18:50.06`	`Cide`	`but it's a possibility`
`18:50.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you used the XML, it could`
`18:50.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`BRB, meeting time!`
`18:50.20`	`Cide`	`it would be more plausible using the lua`
`18:50.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Save it into the same format you load, same format WoW loads`
`18:50.21`	`Fisker-`	`rage Shirik`
`18:50.29`	`AckisWork`	`have fun at meeting`
`18:50.38`	`Cide`	`the frames you design would be real Frame objects`
`18:50.48`	`Cide`	`so saving it is just equal to serializing it`
`18:51.01`	`Cide`	`no need to write an xml parser, you could just import any frame that's in the game`
`18:51.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hm, maybe`
`18:51.22`	`Cide`	`and then you can serialize to either xml or lua`
`18:51.27`	`nicoli_s`	`woot! metal gear solid for 360`
`18:51.29`	`zenzelezz`	`interesting`
`18:51.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well, you'd either have to parse XML or lua`
`18:52.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Which would likely end up being a lua interpreter`
`18:52.08`	`Cide`	`why?`
`18:52.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh right, you weren't thinking about loading`
`18:52.23`	`Cide`	`it's an addon`
`18:52.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... oh`
`18:52.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`..`
`18:52.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`.`
`18:52.35`	`Cide`	`thank you`
`18:52.59`	`Cide`	`lots of people have tried to do external programs`
`18:53.03`	`Cide`	`and it just looks bad`
`18:53.09`	`Cide`	`in wow you get the rendering for free`
`18:53.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`right`
`18:59.13`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@ool-44c20653.dyn.optonline.net)`
`19:01.41`	`nicoli_s`	`xbox 360 motion controls ftl`
`19:04.34`	`Kraps`	`a loading screen tip just taught me what assist is`
`19:04.57`	`Kraps`	`also i had to look up the spelling of taught`
`19:06.25`	`Lunessa`	`Cide: Let me know when you have something cobbled together, and I'll alpha test it for you.`
`19:06.48`	`Cide`	`how early? :P`
`19:07.21`	`Lunessa`	`Cide: How badly are you planing to fuck up my computer?`
`19:07.33`	`Cide`	`not very badly`
`19:07.40`	`Lunessa`	`Then early.`
`19:15.05`	`Cide`	`so how do I do borders again?`
`19:15.23`	`Dagmar`	`Kraps: I guess you've not done Emalon yet`
`19:16.21`	`Kraps`	`Dagmar: i think assist is used less by tanks :)`
`19:16.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`not really...`
`19:16.54`	`zenzelezz`	`depends on the tank's play style`
`19:16.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its pretty useful for anyone`
`19:17.14`	`Kraps`	`not saying its not useful`
`19:18.22`	`Kraps`	`speaking of emalon, i havent been yet in a raid that gut the pull right`
`19:18.43`	`Kraps`	`although i've only been there twice`
`19:18.52`	VonhintenHOME`	`shit, it's easy`
`19:19.01`	`Cide`	`Lunessa: don't have a lot of time today, but I'm planning on working on it tomorrow`
`19:19.14`	`Cide`	`it probably won't be usable at all for a while except as a proof of concept though`
`19:19.17`	VonhintenHOME`	`But, I'm a rogue, and I make all pulls easier on the tanks`
`19:19.27`	`Lunessa`	`That's ok. Whenever you have something. shrug Just offering to assist.`
`19:19.34`	`Cide`	`alright`
`19:19.41`	VonhintenHOME`	`tricks of the trade fan of knives the pack onto the adds tank, boss tank single target taunts... done`
`19:20.51`	`Kraps`	`if there isnt one, the ot starts the pull and the mt single taunts emalon right?`
`19:20.53`	`Dagmar`	`Kraps: The pull's not nearly as hard as getting everyone to jump to that overchanged minion immediately`
`19:21.06`	`Dagmar`	`It's like the one thing I've done that's just as hard in 25-man as it is in 10-man`
`19:24.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: ping, for when you have a moment`
`19:27.40`	`KarlKFI`	`:) we did Decon 10man Hard Mode this week`
`19:27.48`	`KarlKFI`	`wasn't really that bad`
`19:27.49`	`Dagmar`	`wh0rd`
`19:27.57`	`KarlKFI`	`just have to kil the sparks quick`
`19:27.59`	`durcyn`	`10m version fo that is laughable`
`19:28.12`	`durcyn`	`we had a dps dk solo the sparks`
`19:28.26`	`KarlKFI`	`we had ranged on them, took less dmg`
`19:28.50`	`KarlKFI`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.12`	`Dagmar`	`Shades of Kel;Thuzad there`
`19:29.51`	`Dagmar`	`...and you don't even have to be as picky about which one to hit`
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`19:48.49`	`Silversage`	`Hmm. Do the sparks count as elementals?`
`19:49.34`	`foxlit`	`I think they'd be typeless.`
`19:52.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`is it normal for dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/somedisk to be really slow?`
`19:55.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yes`
`19:55.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It winds up being CPU bound`
`19:55.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Unless your drive is TERRIBLE)`
`19:56.27`	`durcyn`	`is there a reason you're using urandom instead of zero?`
`19:56.28`	`foxlit`	`alestane: does the following comment sound familiar: "TODO figure out where this GMA call came from, it's new"`
`19:56.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Keep in mind that urandom is still supposed to be "random enough" for cryptography`
`19:57.06`	`alestane`	`foxlit: Yes, and I explained it to Iriel, but he hasn't removed the comment yet.`
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`19:57.29`	`foxlit`	`Alright. I think I have the answer to its subpoint, but if it's solved, it's np <#`
`19:59.48`	`Dagmar`	`ScytheBlade1: Seriously tho man, you don't need to use urandom for that. It gains you nothing.`
`20:00.35`	`Dagmar`	`What's necessary to get data off modern drives after just one pass of zeros is absolutely ludicrous.`
`20:00.49`	`Dagmar`	`Like, no one would even believe it unless it were part of John Grisham novel`
`20:01.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm not the one wiping it?`
`20:01.28`	`Dagmar`	`Ah, then you can just point and laugh. :)`
`20:02.35`	`Dagmar`	`ScytheBlade1: However, if they're not completely brain dead, tell them to read Peter Gutmann's paper on the subject.`
`20:02.45`	`Dagmar`	`The google terms "Gutmann data erasure" will turn it right up`
`20:02.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`points one line up from his "yes"`
`20:03.18`	`Dagmar`	`Oh, doh`
`20:03.23`	`Dagmar`	`A little hectic here at work`
`20:03.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`;)`
`20:03.41`	`Dagmar`	`Gnarfoz: Read the top hit at Google from "Gutmann data erasure"`
`20:03.58`	`Dagmar`	`Do NOT read someone else's "summary" on the matter. 95% of them are hellishly wrong.`
`20:04.12`	`Dagmar`	`Anything that talks about 35 passes is an example of this incredible wrongness.`
`20:04.39`	`Dagmar`	`...and I've seen "professional" data handling firms actually referring to it like that. I've tossed them out of my office for it, too.`
`20:04.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've wiped drives before, but it was always with /dev/zero`
`20:05.39`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah, /dev/zero will do it. before SMART came along (there's actually a SMART call you can use on most drives now) even the military was fine with zeros plus two complementary pattern wipes (or incineration)`
`20:05.54`	`Dagmar`	`Badblocks can do what they wanted.`
`20:06.20`	`Dagmar`	`We're getting a degausser in here next month.`
`20:06.30`	`Dagmar`	`I look forward to seeing it work (from a good ten feet away)`
`20:06.48`	`nicoli_s`	`i'd use it to pull the rest of my braces out`
`20:06.58`	`Dagmar`	`Man it probably could`
`20:07.29`	`Dagmar`	`I mean, in theory, I could just stand right next to it and it shouldn't be a problem, but I don't stare into the microwave oven while it's running either.`
`20:07.40`	`Lunessa`	`Why 10 feet dagmar, worried about your swimmers?`
`20:07.59`	`Dagmar`	`Worried about my everything`
`20:08.50`	`Dagmar`	`Plus, I've generally got a lot of metal on me.`
`20:09.24`	`Lunessa`	`chuckle`
`20:09.46`	`Dagmar`	`Like, if I have to go through a metal detector, I have to ask for extra buckets and some patience.`
`20:10.10`	`Dagmar`	`WHo knows which of these little pieces of kit might suddenly decide they need to be on the other side of a kidney`
`20:11.09`	`KarlKFI`	`i'd be more worried abotu credit card demagnitizing`
`20:11.43`	`Lunessa`	`Dagmar: I have metal piercings. I have little desire to have (another) one forcibly removed by an impersonal force.`
`20:12.48`	`zenzelezz`	`Lunessa: should be more careful around nail guns`
`20:13.10`	`Lunessa`	`Hah! That's from the cross I carry around.`
`20:13.29`	`Dagmar`	`Oh, in case anyone was wondering, it's actually not considered funny to stick a cheap wristwatch to the wall outside an MRI machine's room`
`20:13.45`	`zenzelezz`	`a cross piercing?`
`20:14.15`	`Dagmar`	`I woulnd't know who might have done that here, but it apparently wasn't funny at all`
`20:14.17`	`nicoli_s`	`i wouldnt do it cuz id be afraid my prince albert would come out`
`20:14.37`	`Dagmar`	`nicoli_s: Gods forbid you ahve to get that one redone ever`
`20:14.49`	`Lunessa`	`zenzelezz: The nails, a cross, you figure out the rest.`
`20:14.54`	`nicoli_s`	`i know someone who self did it and somehow managed to not fuck it up`
`20:15.33`	`Dagmar`	`nicoli_s: Hah. I'm not sure I'd want to be the person doing that to other people.`
`20:15.48`	`Dagmar`	`Someone's liable to have post-piercing regrets`
`20:15.49`	`dardack`	`awww did they take away the gold on the philanthopists in kara`
`20:15.57`	`zenzelezz`	`Lunessa: I see. I'm an atheist, let's just say I have a few more peculiar things come to mind than biblical stuff \o/`
`20:16.25`	`Lunessa`	`zenzelezz: I'm not athiest, but I'm not christian either. I'm just steeped in the lore.`
`20:17.00`	`zenzelezz`	`what I meant to say was that it's not the first thing that came to my mind; but I think you understood that`
`20:17.15`	`Lunessa`	`The most painful event of my life was getting my nipple piercings, until the day came when one was forcibly removed.`
`20:17.45`	`Dagmar`	`dardack: Gods I hope not, I was actually planning on trying to get some guildies to go through there as a 5 man for giggles later this week`
`20:17.56`	`dardack`	`well i farm the mount`
`20:17.59`	`Dagmar`	`...cuz then I could go pick through the trash at will. :)`
`20:18.07`	`dardack`	`but today decided to do moroes/opera`
`20:18.10`	`Dagmar`	`There's a lot of mobs in there I've never killed`
`20:18.12`	`dardack`	`see if i could finally solo curator`
`20:18.26`	`dardack`	`and i'm killing philanthopists casue they used to ahve 10g per`
`20:18.36`	`dardack`	`they dropped no gold, just items or their corpse was blank`
`20:18.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`Dagmar: thanks for your (as usual) totally off the point answer ;)^^`
`20:18.45`	`dardack`	`sad, was jsut wondering if it was me or verified`
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`20:19.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`except of course if you meant to say "/dev/urandom is slow and unecessary and the reason it's slow" ^^`
`20:19.23`	`Dagmar`	`Gnarfoz: Yes, but then people would want to argue about it`
`20:19.34`	`Dagmar`	`It's easier if I just reference the paper that actually teaches people useful stuff`
`20:20.14`	`Dagmar`	`...at least in part because there's a LOT of complete bullshit about secure data erasure out there being promulgated by consulting firms who have no idea how asinine they look when they talk about "the Gutmann Protocol"`
`20:24.08`	`kneeki`	`Does melee have a hit table like spell casters do for the level of the mob? Or is it just, 8% hit is required for mobs +3 levels of you?`
`20:24.22`	`kneeki`	`and 24% for dual weilding`
`20:24.44`	`durcyn`	`kneeki: 8% is for specials against 83`
`20:25.04`	`durcyn`	`you can drop to like 5% for 80`
`20:25.06`	`kneeki`	`7% for lvl 82, 6% for lvl 81, 5% for lvl 80?`
`20:25.20`	`durcyn`	`i.e. pvp`
`20:27.58`	`kneeki`	`What about mobs/players below the level of the player? lvl 79, 78, 77, ect?`
`20:28.09`	`kneeki`	`Same as spell? 100, 99, 98, 97, 96, 95, 94, 87, 80, 73 ?`
`20:29.03`	`Dagmar`	`afaik it drops by 1% per level`
`20:29.24`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/SecureActionButtonTemplate << whee, 3.1`
`20:29.39`	`Dagmar`	`I've never really worried much about going beyond six, because that's not something sane people really try`
`20:29.46`	`kneeki`	`mhmm`
`20:30.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`ttfn!`
`20:35.37`	`Fisker-`	`Shirik`
`20:35.40`	`Fisker-`	`i give you one last change`
`20:35.42`	`Fisker-`	`:3`
`20:35.43`	`Fisker-`	`damnit`
`20:35.44`	`Fisker-`	`chance*`
`20:37.34`	`dardack`	`woot finally can solo that thing`
`20:38.03`	`kneeki`	`How do you determine if a string is a string?`
`20:38.31`	`durcyn`	`lua> foo = "" ; type(foo)`
`20:38.31`	`lua_bot`	`durcyn: No output`
`20:38.34`	`Dagmar`	`Considering that a string can hold just about anything?`
`20:38.42`	`kneeki`	`well`
`20:38.50`	`kneeki`	`in my case, it's either a string, or it's a num`
`20:39.04`	`durcyn`	`lua> tonumber("asdf")`
`20:39.06`	`lua_bot`	`durcyn: nil`
`20:39.06`	`Dagmar`	`Unless you narrow the definition of "string" a bit further, there's nothing to distinguish it from "binary goop"`
`20:39.50`	`Dagmar`	`Well, you could say that unless it matches /^[0-9]+$/ it's a number`
`20:39.57`	`Dagmar`	`er if it matches`
`20:40.07`	`kneeki`	`lua> if tonumber("blah") then print('1') elseif tonumber(100) then print('2') end`
`20:40.09`	`lua_bot`	`kneeki: 2`
`20:40.11`	`Dagmar`	`...but it could easiy be a string full of nulls.`
`20:40.12`	`kneeki`	`hey`
`20:40.14`	`kneeki`	`there we go`
`20:41.10`	`Dagmar`	`lua> if tonumber("") then print('ouch') end`
`20:41.10`	`lua_bot`	`Dagmar: No output`
`20:41.14`	`Dagmar`	`whew`
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`20:52.03`	`cncfanatics`	`Some people here that make parses of their raids ?`
`20:53.25`	`durcyn`	`cncfanatics: what about 'em?`
`20:53.39`	`cncfanatics`	`I'd like some ulduar parses with holy priests in them if possible, together with their specs :p`
`20:53.50`	`cncfanatics`	`Some of my guild's officers are being anal about holy priest specs and I'd like to prove them wrong`
`20:54.29`	`Fisker-`	`slaps cncfanatics around a bit with a large trout`
`20:57.16`	VonhintenHOME`	`How many healers do you bring?`
`20:57.32`	`cncfanatics`	`6-7 usualy`
`20:57.44`	VonhintenHOME`	`And healing is an issue?`
`20:57.48`	`cncfanatics`	`No`
`20:58.08`	`cncfanatics`	`Officers just decided to be anal about the spec of one of our holy priests (because it's not the same as another priest's spec)`
`20:58.43`	VonhintenHOME`	`<shrug>`
`20:59.07`	VonhintenHOME`	`If there's no problem to solve, whatever`
`20:59.46`	`cncfanatics`	`The problem i'm trying to solve is said priest getting kicked :p`
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`21:04.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`that doest sound like a guild you would want to be in though`
`21:04.50`	`cncfanatics`	`It's a recent merger of two guilds`
`21:04.59`	`cncfanatics`	`One of the officers is really anal`
`21:05.03`	`zenzelezz`	`doh`
`21:05.09`	`cncfanatics`	`THere's a lot of friends of mine in it though, so i'd like to stay there`
`21:05.22`	`Torhal`	`Cairenn\|afk: Why can't I just start replying with "GTFA" to the obvious trolls and WM shills?`
`21:05.23`	`cncfanatics`	`Would also like to keep said priest there :)`
`21:05.27`	`Torhal`	`piouts.`
`21:05.37`	`Torhal`	`pouts as well.`
`21:06.19`	`zenzelezz`	`cncfanatics: tell said officer that... http://www.shipmentoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/shipment_of_fail.jpg`
`21:06.32`	`cncfanatics`	`LOL`
`21:06.37`	`cncfanatics`	`My thoughts exactly`
`21:07.11`	`cncfanatics`	`Unfortunatly, that won't get my anywhere in a debate with that stupid officer`
`21:07.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`cncfanatics, http://wowwebstats.com/mpyg36vuq1r55 & http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarius&n=miyoko`
`21:07.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`though the priest is in pvp gear atm`
`21:07.59`	`cncfanatics`	`tyvm :)`
`21:11.49`	`Roofel`	`Hmm, anyone know how I can use GetRaidRosterInfo to "query" every member of the raid? :P`
`21:12.06`	`Roofel`	`think ive overlooked it somehow`
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`21:12.53`	`Dagmar`	`The last time that was mentioned the explanation was that you have to basically walk the list 1-10/25/40`
`21:13.09`	`Roofel`	`hmm, shite`
`21:13.11`	`Dagmar`	`Looks like that explanation was right http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRaidRosterInfo`
`21:14.44`	`Aelobin`	`argh EU transfer payments STILL messing up >_>`
`21:15.25`	`zenzelezz`	`Aelobin: did you verify that it wasn't just you having problems with it?`
`21:15.33`	`Aelobin`	`yup`
`21:15.42`	`Aelobin`	`found 3 people on the forums and know someone on msn, all with the same problem`
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`21:16.01`	`Aelobin`	`can't get through to billing support via phone because the queues are always full`
`21:16.20`	`zenzelezz`	`doh`
`21:17.11`	`Aelobin`	`=/`
`21:17.27`	`Aelobin`	`got a character waiting in limbo atm :< so very bored`
`21:18.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`Aelobin, you only have one char?`
`21:19.00`	`Aelobin`	`nope but it's the character i play the most ^^`
`21:19.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`play something else atm -> less bored`
`21:19.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`or someone`
`21:19.42`	`Aelobin`	`xD`
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`21:22.17`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ`
`21:22.30`	`Aelobin`	`anyone else tried to transfer recently?`
`21:22.37`	`zenzelezz`	`I did a few weeks ago`
`21:24.48`	`Aelobin`	`it's been going on since saturday, earliest i know of :P`
`21:25.15`	`Roofel`	`Anyone see where the my "Slash" malfunctions on this? http://pastebin.com/d17b6eeca`
`21:25.30`	`Roofel`	`Everytime I try typing it in I get a "type /help for help" :P`
`21:26.52`	`KarlKFI`	`O.o WoW has a violence option higher than 2?`
`21:27.01`	`Roofel`	`:O`
`21:27.04`	`Roofel`	`It does?`
`21:27.07`	`Roofel`	`Where do you see that?`
`21:27.12`	`Dagmar`	`There's a violence setting in WoW?`
`21:27.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`For other regions`
`21:27.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ie`
`21:27.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`germany`
`21:27.28`	`Roofel`	`Pfft`
`21:27.30`	`Dagmar`	`Ah`
`21:27.32`	`Roofel`	`that sucks :P`
`21:27.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`One setting turns all blood green, another removes it entirely`
`21:27.37`	`Dagmar`	`I was about to ask how I can just set it to the maximum`
`21:27.40`	`Roofel`	`Oh nice`
`21:27.43`	`Roofel`	`All the blood green :O`
`21:27.46`	`KarlKFI`	`Violence Level`
`21:27.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Disabled in the US, I believe`
`21:27.48`	`KarlKFI`	`0 = No effects`
`21:27.49`	`KarlKFI`	`1 = Green blood effects`
`21:27.51`	`KarlKFI`	`2-5 = Red blood effects`
`21:27.51`	`zenzelezz`	`Roofel: don't you have an "end" too many?`
`21:27.52`	`KarlKFI`	`(Default = 2)`
`21:27.54`	`KarlKFI`	`srs?`
`21:27.56`	`KarlKFI`	`lame`
`21:28.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`well`
`21:28.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`everywhere where it isn't legally mandaged`
`21:28.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*mandated`
`21:28.22`	`KarlKFI`	`i wanted to try out the MOAR BLOOD option`
`21:28.25`	`Roofel`	`Not sure really, once I remove one of em I get a problem with "to close" and such :S`
`21:28.33`	`Roofel`	`"No end to close [one of em]"`
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`21:29.00`	`KarlKFI`	`this addon looks really cool: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13562-TweakWoW.html`
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`21:29.17`	`Roofel`	`However, I use Addon Control Panel to enable addons though, maybe it doesnt get loaded right?`
`21:29.32`	`KarlKFI`	`has options for a bunch of CVars`
`21:29.40`	`Roofel`	`Yes, its the same as using the Console really`
`21:29.52`	`Roofel`	`Just with a GUI :P`
`21:29.54`	`KarlKFI`	`yeah but GUI = win`
`21:30.14`	`Roofel`	`^^,`
`21:30.21`	`KarlKFI`	`Also AWESOME: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13493-Misspelled.html`
`21:30.41`	`Roofel`	`Haha, ingame dictionary? :P`
`21:31.01`	`KarlKFI`	`GFG. I told everyone spelling was a useless skill. Now my video games spell check my in-game chat for me`
`21:31.37`	`Roofel`	`:)`
`21:32.12`	`Roofel`	`but zenzelezz, do you find any errors with the "script" part?`
`21:34.25`	`Roofel`	`as even if I load it the usual way, it still doesnt recognise my slash command :S`
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`21:50.28`	`Lunessa`	`I dun no whi yoo think spilling is a yousless skillz.`
`21:55.31`	`Roofel`	`Anyone that can see the flaws in this code snippet? http://pastebin.com/d17b6eeca`
`21:55.58`	`Roofel`	`Everything I get when trying to write the slash command is "type '/help' for help" :<`
`21:56.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`is there something that breakes up the combat log into manageable files?`
`21:56.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`breaks managable*`
`21:56.42`	`Roofel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:56.57`	`Roofel`	`to break it up I think you need to use a third party addon`
`21:56.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know, and there is no fun in opening a 3.5GB txt file`
`21:57.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`which is what mine is at atm`
`21:57.26`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout`
`21:57.29`	`Roofel`	`xD`
`21:57.32`	`Pharaunmizz`	`you could probably write a tiny ass perl script to to chop it up`
`21:57.47`	`Dagmar`	`In one line.`
`21:57.54`	`Roofel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:57.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`i could, but it isnt going to happen`
`21:58.08`	`Roofel`	`xD`
`21:58.11`	`Roofel`	`Why not? :P`
`21:58.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`lazy`
`21:58.29`	`Roofel`	`...`
`21:58.36`	`Roofel`	`then why are you opening the log file?`
`21:58.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`wws`
`21:58.54`	`Roofel`	`^^,`
`21:58.55`	`Pharaunmizz`	`What text editor are you using?`
`21:59.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`notepad`
`21:59.23`	`Pharaunmizz`	`you could try emacs or something, might not totally destroy you with a 3.5GB file`
`21:59.36`	`Roofel`	`notepad ++`
`21:59.38`	`Roofel`	`Thats the thing`
`21:59.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`i use it`
`21:59.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`but not for that`
`22:02.18`	`durcyn`	`just grep "^M/DD H" to split it`
`22:10.11`	`sylvanaar`	`you can use the wowmeteronline tool to split your logs`
`22:10.23`	`sylvanaar`	`it does it intelligently and renames them`
`22:12.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`sylvanaar, that tool and site looks almost exactly like wws`
`22:13.25`	`durcyn`	`worldoflogs > wws > wmo, though`
`22:14.26`	`p3lim`	`anyone that knows what this taint log means?`
`22:14.26`	`p3lim`	`http://pastey.net/115232`
`22:14.37`	`p3lim`	`Inomena is a mashup add-on of mine`
`22:16.02`	`sylvanaar`	`durcyn for log splitting?`
`22:16.26`	`durcyn`	`sylvanaar: no, for usability`
`22:17.19`	`Lunessa`	`p3lim: Did you touch the QuickButtons on the Combat Log, or touch something they use?`
`22:17.21`	`sylvanaar`	`im trying out wol now`
`22:17.29`	`sylvanaar`	`but log splitting wmo is really god`
`22:17.30`	`sylvanaar`	`good`
`22:18.11`	`durcyn`	`wol's display is amazing`
`22:18.13`	`Lunessa`	`p3lim: i.e., did you hook or modify a global?`
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`22:18.24`	`durcyn`	`especially now that it has log browsing`
`22:18.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`durcyn, when i look at healing done and the chart says DPS on the sice it says to me that the display is not amazing.`
`22:18.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`side*`
`22:19.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`and in the chart`
`22:19.31`	`joedredd`	`Are there any things other than Cache/WDB/* and WTF that would have anything to do with AddOn textures being cached between WoW loadS?`
`22:20.02`	`Lunessa`	`joedredd: The game client doesn't start fresh unless you exit.`
`22:20.36`	`joedredd`	`By "between WoW loads" I meant a regular logout (to populate SavedVariables and such) and re-opening of the game client.`
`22:21.01`	`joedredd`	`I have some AddOn-supplied textures that I have changed that aren't reflecting when I reopen the client. FrameXML.log doesn't show anything bad nor do the built-in Lua errors.`
`22:21.06`	`sylvanaar`	`WoL's client comes down unsigned`
`22:21.38`	`sylvanaar`	`i hate JWS`
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`22:21.57`	`Dagmar`	`Ohno! Anti-smtsm!`
`22:22.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol`
`22:23.22`	`Lunessa`	`joedredd: You changed the graphics/textures and restarted the client, but no change is evident?`
`22:24.03`	`Lunessa`	`Are you certain you swapped out the files? That's the number one cause of "it looks the same"`
`22:24.55`	`joedredd`	`Yeah, basically I have textures that show up in a reusable frame that are brought up via triggers.`
`22:25.28`	`joedredd`	`I saved the same image over an existing one and over a new one and added a new trigger. If I use the new trigger the image (blah.tga) loads up fine. If I use the "regular" trigger (bar.tga) doesn't show up as the new one but as an older "cached" one.`
`22:25.51`	`joedredd`	`They both have different image dimensions and different alpha options so it's an obvious distinction.`
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`22:26.24`	`Lunessa`	`Double check your XML and files. The game won't cache files between exits and reloads.`
`22:28.28`	`joedredd`	`They all check out. I do have the reusable frame pointing to the "old" (replaced) TGA.`
`22:28.37`	`joedredd`	`But that tga is the same as the one I put in debugging.`
`22:29.31`	`sylvanaar`	`what does "existing" and "new" refer to`
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`22:30.59`	`joedredd`	`I had an image (106.tga) that was 128x128 with no alpha.`
`22:31.06`	`sylvanaar`	`anyhow - it'd make sense not to reload texttures i guess.`
`22:31.18`	`joedredd`	`I saved over it and made a copy (debug.tga) in the textures folder (for my addon)`
`22:31.20`	`sylvanaar`	`so you may need to exit and restart`
`22:31.21`	`joedredd`	`All WoW exits have been clean.`
`22:31.25`	`joedredd`	`Yeah, I have.`
`22:31.54`	`sylvanaar`	`oh, then you messed something up then - you just havent figured out what`
`22:32.23`	`joedredd`	`That sounds an awful lot like an assumption. I made the same assumption.`
`22:32.35`	`joedredd`	`Unfortunately, I only have so many metrics to use to test my own.`
`22:32.42`	`joedredd`	`I hadn't made any changes to the lua/XML only to the images.`
`22:32.54`	`joedredd`	`If it didn't load the image in the first place I'd see it when the XML is parsed via FrameXML.log, right?`
`22:33.04`	`sylvanaar`	`nah, those arent metrics - grep, file compare`
`22:33.08`	`joedredd`	`I am trying one more thing.`
`22:33.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`is it unusual to have a socket with no socket bounus?`
`22:33.14`	`joedredd`	`Yeah, they are the same file.`
`22:33.26`	`joedredd`	`I've deleted it from the folder and reloaded WoW.`
`22:33.31`	`foxlit`	`So, how do you lose a plane?`
`22:33.33`	`durcyn`	`Thunder_Child: not if you're looking at it via a wowarmory link`
`22:33.34`	`joedredd`	`That should at least narrow down the "bullshit caching theory"`
`22:33.40`	`sylvanaar`	`it should be green`
`22:33.45`	`durcyn`	`Thunder_Child: since it doesn't show deactivated socket bonuses`
`22:33.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`durcyn, http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/april/04_26_9806_34.jpg ?`
`22:34.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`just seems odd`
`22:34.57`	`durcyn`	`doesn't look like he pulled that from the armory`
`22:35.24`	`durcyn`	`either way, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46035`
`22:35.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`huh...odd`
`22:36.18`	`durcyn`	`just blame Bibi for being french`
`22:36.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`doesnt that go without saying?`
`22:36.48`	`durcyn`	`no, i just said it.`
`22:36.51`	`durcyn`	`Bibi: you're french`
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`22:45.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://gizmodo.com/5274563/project-natal-intro-videos-shows-real-controller+free-interaction`
`22:47.03`	`foxlit`	`so, camera?`
`22:47.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`controllerless gaming system`
`22:48.10`	`foxlit`	`Does it read your mind?`
`22:48.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`Sure, the Microsoft fact sheet for Project Natal explains that the XBox 360's answer to Wii motion control has a special sensor, an RGB sensor, a depth sensor, a multiarray microphone and a special processor,`
`22:49.41`	`foxlit`	`"an RGB sensor" << in other words, a camera?`
`22:50.06`	`theorbtwo`	`foxlit: Well, could just be an ambient light sensor.`
`22:50.21`	`foxlit`	`That's just a camera with a shitty resolution :)`
`22:50.26`	`theorbtwo`	`You could call that a one-pixel camera, but that'd be pushing matters a bit far.`
`22:50.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`i think it's more like a videocamera`
`22:50.50`	`theorbtwo`	`Probably.`
`22:51.28`	`theorbtwo`	`I more wonder what the "special sensor" is.`
`22:51.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`special`
`22:52.20`	`theorbtwo`	`It's an accelerometer tied to it's own shortbus?`
`22:54.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`an accelerometer based on video?`
`22:54.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`because it doesnt move`
`22:55.02`	`foxlit`	`Well, what would you want.`
`22:55.23`	`foxlit`	`You need a decent-quality picture to feed video into the game.`
`22:55.52`	`foxlit`	`You need some sort of laser contraption to get depth on that picture, since setting up 3D using multiple cameras is a pain`
`22:57.05`	`foxlit`	`"theorbtwo: I more wonder what the "special sensor" is." << there isn't one`
`22:57.21`	`foxlit`	`"a special processor", however.`
`22:58.44`	`p3lim`	`anyone that knows what this taint log means?`
`22:58.47`	`p3lim`	`http://pastey.net/115232`
`22:58.52`	`p3lim`	`Inomena is a mashup add-on of mine`
`22:59.04`	`p3lim`	`if someone answered me I didnt see it, log hung up`
`23:00.58`	`foxlit`	`You hooked CombatLog_LoadUI ?`
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`23:02.43`	`Lunessa`	`Fun read - http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-06/ff_keymaster`
`23:03.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`resonably epic cinematic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sainKIZ8vI`
`23:08.46`	`Dagmar`	`Whoops. Almost got myself a forum ban.`
`23:09.15`	`foxlit`	`Can you be "almost" banned? :)`
`23:09.34`	`Wobin`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxLG2wtE7TM`
`23:09.40`	`Dagmar`	`Some belf said they weren't a flying monkey, they were a flying ape and I had my mouse over the post button saying they looked like flying trailer trash to me`
`23:09.41`	`Wobin`	`can't stop laughing`
`23:09.48`	`Dagmar`	`...except I wasn't using the word "trash"`
`23:10.21`	`Dagmar`	`...because you probably wouldn't be suprised to see belfs walking around streetcorners at night if it weren't for the ears`
`23:10.34`	`mikma`	`lol taint lol`
`23:19.56`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: I guess, with most key locks being inherantly mechanical, a 'key' as such cannot be the only method for unlocking`
`23:20.31`	`Dagmar`	`This is true.`
`23:20.48`	`Dagmar`	`There's also "screwdriver", "drill", and "old library card".`
`23:20.58`	`Wobin`	`well, aside from bypassing the lock`
`23:21.11`	`Wobin`	`there's always physical methods to mimic the key`
`23:21.14`	`Lunessa`	`Wobin: I'm always interested in "how stuff works" and deductive reasoning, reverse engineering, and hacking. And while I'm not at Tobais' level of hacking, I agree with his conclusions - people should make shit better.`
`23:21.24`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: totally`
`23:21.36`	`Wobin`	`however, public opinion weighs much in belivability`
`23:21.46`	`Wobin`	`if the public believe they are safe, perception rules over all =P`
`23:21.58`	`Lunessa`	`Sadly, I'm also lazy, and once I've figured out how something works, or gotten close enough to satisfy my itch, I drop it.`
`23:22.45`	`nicoli_s`	`is also lazy`
`23:23.06`	`nicoli_s`	`but its genetic, my dad is also lazy`
`23:23.30`	`foxlit`	`Meh, that conclusion isn't supported by that premise.`
`23:23.36`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah huh`
`23:23.53`	`nicoli_s`	`if you saw how lazy this man was youd agree with me`
`23:24.08`	`foxlit`	`No, I wouldn't.`
`23:24.10`	`Wobin`	`but I agree with Tobias in regards to stuff like gun locks`
`23:24.16`	`Wobin`	`er gun safe locks`
`23:24.27`	`Wobin`	`They're -not- safe if a kid can bump the lock open`
`23:24.44`	`Wobin`	`and who's fault is it then if the kid takes the gun from an unsafe 'safe' and uses it?`
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`23:24.58`	`Lunessa`	`nicoli_s: Assumes facts not in evidence. Assumes facts which are only assumptions. Your conclusion of "genetics" could simply be one of nurture. :P You haven't controlled for the variables.`
`23:25.40`	`Dagmar`	`Poor gun control tends to self-select.`
`23:25.46`	`Lunessa`	`Wobin: Personally, I say when you turn 14, man or woman, we should issue you a gun and 36 bullets. Chalk the rest up to evolution.`
`23:25.51`	`Dagmar`	`It's natures way and it's beautiful.`
`23:25.57`	`Wobin`	`Dagmar: not in a way that's good for a kid`
`23:26.15`	`Wobin`	`cause the kid is ignorant, not necessarily stupid`
`23:26.18`	`Dagmar`	`Wobin: Fewer people genetically predisposed to being stupid about lethal weaponry.`
`23:26.21`	`Dagmar`	`it's win-win really.`
`23:26.27`	`Wobin`	`and there we go blaming genetics`
`23:26.32`	`Wobin`	`sins of the father?`
`23:26.35`	`Wobin`	`terrible`
`23:26.48`	`Dagmar`	`No kid capable of bumping a lock open can be said to be "ignorant" about the fact that a gun can blow their face off.`
`23:26.54`	`foxlit`	`why 36?`
`23:27.04`	`Wobin`	`Dagmar: and if the kid's friend did the bumping?`
`23:27.10`	`Wobin`	`or older brother?`
`23:27.16`	`Wobin`	`(or sister)`
`23:27.17`	`Dagmar`	`Selection against keeping really stupid friends.`
`23:27.36`	`Wobin`	`now you're just making blanket statements =P`
`23:27.42`	`Dagmar`	`Yes, I am.`
`23:27.48`	`Wobin`	`Well, you're dumb`
`23:27.51`	`Wobin`	`nods`
`23:27.54`	`Lunessa`	`Again, the genetics argument assumes "facts" which aren't proven.`
`23:28.03`	`Dagmar`	`....because if you're going to have a gun in the house, and have kids in the house, the kid has to be told why he shouldn't ever screw with it.`
`23:28.20`	`Dagmar`	`Failing that, well, there's always natural selection.`
`23:28.20`	`Wobin`	`by shooting him in the face with it!`
`23:28.20`	`Wobin`	`that will teach him!`
`23:28.32`	`Dagmar`	`People have wall sockets all over their houses, and forks in the kitchen, but generally the only outlets with GFCI are in the bathroom.`
`23:28.49`	`Dagmar`	`Those are the ones it's hard for the kid to reach, usually.`
`23:28.50`	`Wobin`	`Of course, I come from a country with much stricter gun control laws than most places who regularly have 'gun safes'`
`23:29.06`	`Lunessa`	`My apartment has GFI anypalce where there' s proximity to water.`
`23:29.25`	`theorbtwo`	`Dagmar: Er, both US and UK building codes require GFCI sockets in kitchens.`
`23:29.27`	`Dagmar`	`Child + fork + wall socket == hilarity`
`23:29.33`	`Lunessa`	`My houses (back when I was wealthy and had 3) all did too.`
`23:29.56`	`Dagmar`	`theorbtwo: Only in new construction`
`23:30.06`	`theorbtwo`	`I was just about to point that out myself.`
`23:30.45`	`Dagmar`	`You're a bad parent if you have seriously lethal stuff in the same house as a kid and don't do your damnedest to make sure the kid's aware it's something that'll kill him or his play buddies if he messes with it.`
`23:31.32`	`Dagmar`	`I mean, let's have some parity here. A stove burner won't kill a kid, but parents will slap a kid silly to keep 'em from burning themselves on the glowing, candy-like burner`
`23:31.54`	`Dagmar`	`How could you not explain to the kid that the gun can and will kill people in an eyeblink.`
`23:33.07`	`Dagmar`	`A guy I know took his 5-year old to the range.`
`23:33.21`	`Dagmar`	`He stopped and got the kid a helium balloon first.`
`23:33.29`	`Dagmar`	`You know how little kids are about balloons.`
`23:33.47`	`Dagmar`	`They put the balloon on a target and shot it.`
`23:34.07`	`Dagmar`	`(yes he bought the kid another balloon on the way home)`
`23:36.26`	`p3lim`	`foxlit: no`
`23:36.39`	`foxlit`	`Wow, that's one heck of a latency`
`23:48.05`	`p3lim`	`same the taintlog doesnt say where in Inomena it taints`
`23:48.25`	`p3lim`	`shame*`
`23:50.46`	`foxlit`	`Where it taints what?`
`23:51.56`	`foxlit`	`"Execution tainted by Inomena" gives you the line where you tainted the current execution`
`23:52.14`	`foxlit`	`"Global variable ... tainted by Inomena" gives you the line where you tainted a variable.`
`23:52.57`	`p3lim`	`nope`
`23:53.14`	`Dagmar`	`Next time wash your hands more thoroughly before you touch them`
`23:54.40`	`Lunessa`	`What's the Satyr say? "Don't touch me!"`
`23:54.55`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah`
`23:54.59`	`Dagmar`	`It's awful`
`23:55.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`actually he says "Rub my furry belly"`
`23:55.20`	`Dagmar`	`It would be much cooler if he said "Stop touching me there"`
`23:55.20`	`Lunessa`	`Thunder_Child: I think you're confusing yourself with the Satyr again.`
`23:55.44`	`Wobin`	`Thunder_Child: That's only what tekkub dreams he says`
`23:55.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lunessa, i'm not confused, you simply do not get the reference`
`23:56.15`	`Wobin`	`(Of course, googling "Rub my furry belly" may lead to sites you weren't expecting...)`
`23:56.33`	`tekkub`	`who do I get to rub?`
`23:56.34`	`Lunessa`	`Thunder_Child: I was just making a cheap joke at your expense. shrug`
`23:56.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`Wobin, tekkub.net?`
`23:57.02`	`Dagmar`	`Wow`
`23:57.03`	`Lunessa`	`Tekkub's Rub & Tug Emporium - Rug required?`
`23:57.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lunessa, ah...didnt get it, sorry`
`23:57.08`	`Dagmar`	`Don't google those terms together`
`23:57.21`	`tekkub`	`...`
`23:57.51`	`Dagmar`	`I didn't know what "reference" Lunessa was talking about so I Googled`
`23:57.59`	`Dagmar`	`I should think before I search.`
`23:58.08`	`Wobin`	`I warned you =(`
`23:58.38`	`Dagmar`	`I didn't google "Rub my furry belly" I googled "satyr "don't touch me""`
`23:58.52`	`Dagmar`	`In retrospect, I should have seen it coming`
`23:59.22`	`Lunessa`	`I guess we need a NSTG warning.`
`23:59.37`	`Wobin`	`well it's -safe- to google`
`23:59.39`	`Lunessa`	`Not Safe To Google`
`23:59.52`	`Wobin`	`it's not going to blow google up or anything`

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