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| 00:11.29 | Wobin | hm, the directed ads on wowi and minion are scary |
| 00:11.37 | Wobin | it's like they know where I live... |
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| 00:12.07 | durcyn | Australia! gotcha! |
| 00:12.08 | dardack_ | is there a way to break a for loop in lua prematurely? |
| 00:12.16 | durcyn | dardack_: 'break' |
| 00:12.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that |
| 00:12.44 | dardack_ | so just put if (...) then 'break' else will break the for if true? |
| 00:13.31 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 00:13.36 | durcyn | for stuff in otherstuff do if something then gocrazy break end end |
| 00:13.39 | Gnarfoz | durcyn just misused apostrophes |
| 00:13.48 | Gnarfoz | i.e. lose the apostrophe's and you're golden |
| 00:13.50 | durcyn | perfectly readable pseudocode right there. |
| 00:14.14 | Gnarfoz | his own example was correct, too, minus the apostrophes, is all I'm saying ;) |
| 00:14.26 | durcyn | oh, well, yes. |
| 00:14.32 | dardack_ | that's what i was wondering |
| 00:14.35 | dardack_ | the ' or not |
| 00:14.38 | dardack_ | thanks |
| 00:14.54 | durcyn | and i'll misuse you like you were an apostrophe, Gnarfoz! |
| 00:15.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm tired of ye olde one-upmanship :< |
| 00:15.30 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. too lazy to figure out how to turn your sentence into a "your mom" sentence) |
| 00:15.43 | durcyn | your mom's too lazy to.. wait, nevermind |
| 00:16.06 | dardack_ | can you grab 'target' current spec tree? |
| 00:16.18 | dardack_ | ie for dk frost/blood/unholy/hybrid? |
| 00:16.45 | durcyn | dardack_: yeah, take a look at LibTalentQuery on wowace |
| 00:17.41 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: see, it's not even easy to turn it into one without copping out and using the "I'll misuse your mom" variant) |
| 00:18.29 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: i wasn't trying to one-up you anyway :( |
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| 00:19.48 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: it would've been my turn |
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| 00:34.22 | Ackis | bah |
| 00:34.34 | Ackis | anyways I can get the spell ID for a recipe from the recipe itself? |
| 00:55.24 | Wobin | Is there an addon to see calender details of other toons? |
| 01:03.48 | neotron | http://www.russdraper.com/images/fullsize/bitchin_fast_3d.jpg |
| 01:04.07 | neotron | what I find funny with that today is that for an "outrageously fake graphics card" image they said it had 256 MB of memory |
| 01:04.30 | neotron | when there's just a GTS295 card with 4 GiB coming out :P |
| 01:06.51 | foxlit | http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/yhst-34640480252896_2057_1189880 << why is PA advising me to wall-hug? |
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| 01:24.11 | tekkub | you know, they make the calendar accessible online... why can't they have it send reminders for events? |
| 01:25.19 | tekkub | or even an iCal feed |
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| 01:42.20 | AnduinLothar | oh god tek, do you really want wow on your work calendar? |
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| 01:42.46 | AnduinLothar | WoW: Life Control Expansion |
| 01:59.53 | Adys | anyone with windows xp? |
| 02:03.07 | tekkub | I don't have a work calendar |
| 02:03.16 | tekkub | I just want reminders because my memory is shit |
| 02:24.15 | Dagmar | PUt it into Google Calendar and it all disappears with a single mouse click |
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| 02:41.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | sighs |
| 02:41.39 | NightHawkTheSan1 | seven shaman in this raid |
| 02:41.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | and ZERO pallys |
| 02:41.54 | NightHawkTheSan1 | hell, only one warrior. |
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| 02:49.17 | Shirik | rawr |
| 02:49.22 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 02:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | stabs Shirik |
| 02:49.30 | Shirik | huggles Gryphen |
| 02:49.34 | Gryphen | huggles Shirik |
| 02:53.27 | Shirik | stabs ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:53.44 | durcyn | ~stab Shirik |
| 02:53.45 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 02:54.14 | Shirik | can you stab all these people reporting bugs instead? |
| 02:54.21 | Shirik | I swear I'm spending more time closing issues than I am actually fixing problems |
| 02:54.40 | durcyn | you need a secretary |
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| 02:59.13 | Shirik | Heh |
| 02:59.15 | Shirik | I love bug reports |
| 02:59.19 | Shirik | Description: Cannot run program |
| 02:59.24 | Shirik | Severity: trivial |
| 02:59.26 | Shirik | o.O |
| 02:59.52 | Corrodias | i love it |
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| 03:03.18 | |pez| | I almost feel sorry for my xbox - http://360voice.gamerdna.com/tag/Pejyuu |
| 03:04.39 | Ackis | fuck you Fisker- |
| 03:04.50 | Ackis | I bought flock and unreal tournament pack because of you |
| 03:06.11 | Shirik | Mac users: is ~ == /Users/<username>/ ? |
| 03:06.12 | durcyn | why would you do anything because of Fisker- |
| 03:06.33 | durcyn | Shirik: no, it's $HOME |
| 03:06.41 | Shirik | ok so what is ~? |
| 03:06.46 | durcyn | why would you use absolute paths? |
| 03:06.55 | Ackis | durcyn: I saw he bought them on steam, so I checked em out and they was cheap |
| 03:06.56 | Shirik | Because I happen to know the absolute path |
| 03:07.08 | durcyn | it's /Users/foo/ by -default-, yes |
| 03:12.38 | mikma | shirik: description: minion doesn't work, severity: minor |
| 03:31.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://smackinthecrack.com/post/2009/05/Tailgaters.aspx |
| 03:34.09 | Arrowmaster | |pez|: that is just so wrong |
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| 03:35.45 | Arrowmaster | |pez|: http://360voice.gamerdna.com/tag/Arrowmaster |
| 03:37.49 | Arrowmaster | ok this calendar just looks funny http://arrowmaster.gamerdna.com/ |
| 03:39.23 | Shirik | stabs java |
| 03:39.38 | Shirik | apparently it's possible for File.createTempFile() to create files outside of java.io.tmpdir |
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| 04:05.15 | mikma | shirik: is it a good thing or a bad thing? |
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| 04:05.30 | Shirik | Summary 0000142: Error: Access is denied |
| 04:05.31 | Shirik | Description Addon will claim to have an update, I'll click the update button. Addon appears to download and extract but then gets "Error: Access is denied" preventing the addon from updating. |
| 04:05.36 | Shirik | Severity: Feature |
| 04:05.43 | mikma | feature |
| 04:07.07 | Shirik | mikma: good or bad? |
| 04:07.41 | mikma | shirik: <0639> <@Shirik> apparently it's possible for File.createTempFile() to create files outside of java.io.tmpdir |
| 04:07.47 | Shirik | very bad |
| 04:08.06 | Shirik | Minion's security manager gets very pissed about addons trying to make temp files in places it doesn't think temp files should go |
| 04:08.15 | Shirik | er, about modules |
| 04:20.06 | Shirik | what are the ace lib folders named? |
| 04:20.09 | Shirik | examples |
| 04:21.07 | mikma | Libs, lib, Libraries, libraries |
| 04:21.15 | mikma | goos enough? xD |
| 04:21.26 | Shirik | I meant when they were root directories |
| 04:21.27 | Shirik | are they ever? |
| 04:21.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | or do you mean like AceAddon-3.0? |
| 04:21.35 | Shirik | like that yes |
| 04:21.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | oh |
| 04:21.55 | Shirik | Do you think this is good to match them, then? |
| 04:21.56 | Shirik | ^Ace[0-9]*(?:_.*)? |
| 04:21.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | if Ace3 is installed as a distinct addon, i think it's just "Ace3" as the addon folder? |
| 04:22.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but i'm not really an expert, so i'll shut up |
| 04:23.09 | dardack_ | once extraced my folder for ace libraries are: Ace2, Ace3 |
| 04:23.30 | Shirik | so it doesn't put any more complicated folders there? |
| 04:23.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | not unless someone does it manually, it shouldn't |
| 04:23.52 | dardack_ | not usually, most of the time the ace addons embed the library within the addon's folders |
| 04:24.00 | Shirik | yes but I'm thinking worst case :) |
| 04:24.34 | Shirik | the two patterns I'm looking at using for detecting libraries right now are ^Ace[0-9]*$ and ^Lib[A-Z_\\-].* |
| 04:25.22 | dardack_ | yea minion on windows downloaded some wierd ace library, that screwed soemthing up for me |
| 04:25.38 | dardack_ | but i have never not seen the library for Ace be Ace2, Ace3 |
| 04:26.03 | dardack_ | the only others that sometimes aren't embeded or libs, so LibRock-1.0 example |
| 04:28.13 | Shirik | yeah that should be caught by the second pattern there |
| 04:36.27 | Shirik | man, no offense to curse or anything |
| 04:36.30 | Shirik | but it's killing my phone |
| 04:40.44 | mikma | shirik: why do you need aceX detection? |
| 04:40.57 | Shirik | to throw out libraries from the heuristics |
| 04:43.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shirik: curse's website makes my brain die a litttle :( |
| 04:49.36 | Antiarc | Would it be horrible of my to teach my child that the "magic word" is "sudo"? |
| 04:49.51 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:50.03 | mikma | shirik: is it just ace stuff that interests you, or all libraries? =/ |
| 04:50.12 | mikma | antiarc: nerd |
| 04:50.12 | Shirik | all, mikma |
| 04:50.16 | Shirik | that's why that second pattern is there |
| 04:50.22 | Antiarc | mikma: How awesome would that be though |
| 04:50.26 | Shirik | (21:24:24) (@Shirik) the two patterns I'm looking at using for detecting libraries right now are ^Ace[0-9]*$ and ^Lib[A-Z_\\-].* |
| 04:50.29 | Antiarc | "Can I have a cookie?" |
| 04:50.33 | Antiarc | "What's the magic word?" |
| 04:50.38 | mikma | antiarc: fucking awesome tbh |
| 04:50.40 | Antiarc | "Sudo can I have a cookie?" |
| 04:51.30 | Sargeras | pokes Cairenn |
| 04:51.39 | Shirik | pokes Sargeras |
| 04:51.50 | Sargeras | wobbles |
| 04:51.53 | mikma | pokes mikma |
| 04:51.56 | Cairenn | smoogles Sargeras |
| 04:52.10 | Shirik | smoogles |
| 04:52.11 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:52.13 | mikma | hmmmm, now i forgot, who is the emote-bot here? |
| 04:52.21 | Sargeras | hey hun, at blizzcon last year, what was that restraunt we went to the first night? |
| 04:52.22 | Shirik | Gryphen |
| 04:52.25 | Cairenn | Gryphen: |
| 04:52.34 | Shirik | I win |
| 04:52.38 | mikma | yadayada gryphen |
| 04:52.42 | Gryphen | yadayada mikma |
| 04:53.07 | Cairenn | ummm |
| 04:53.27 | Cairenn | not Beni Hanas (sp?) |
| 04:53.27 | Shirik | the japanese one? |
| 04:53.43 | mikma | shirik: well, the second pattern would propably match all libraries. but please add a "Lib*.lua" just for precaution |
| 04:53.43 | Shirik | cheesecake factory |
| 04:53.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:53.48 | Sargeras | ^--- |
| 04:53.50 | Sargeras | yes |
| 04:53.50 | Cairenn | that was it |
| 04:53.51 | Sargeras | that's it |
| 04:53.53 | Sargeras | thank you sir |
| 04:53.56 | Cairenn | that's the one I was trying to remember |
| 04:54.10 | Shirik | why .lua |
| 04:54.12 | Cairenn | Beni Hanas was the 2nd night, the full ui community one |
| 04:54.26 | Shirik | you were there Sargeras? |
| 04:54.33 | Shirik | I don't even know who you were :( |
| 04:54.46 | Cairenn | he's the reeeaaaalllllyyyyyy tall guy |
| 04:55.02 | Cairenn | that I have to stand up on a chair to get high enough to give him a proper hug |
| 04:55.10 | mikma | shirik: just to make sure it does match files like "LibREADME.shit" etc.. prolly useless |
| 04:55.19 | Shirik | I'm not matching files |
| 04:55.22 | Shirik | just folders |
| 04:55.27 | mikma | k then! |
| 04:55.33 | Sargeras | cries |
| 04:55.44 | Sargeras | Shirik doesnt remember me?! |
| 04:55.49 | Shirik | :( sorry |
| 04:55.50 | mikma | Lib* / lib* is best bet |
| 04:55.51 | Shirik | I didn't know anyone! |
| 04:56.01 | Sargeras | when we meet |
| 04:56.06 | Sargeras | there will be spankings |
| 04:56.08 | Sargeras | oh yes |
| 04:56.18 | Sargeras | or maybe that was for Cairenn |
| 04:56.20 | Sargeras | >.> |
| 04:56.28 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 04:56.29 | mikma | spank you very much. |
| 04:56.38 | mikma | that reminded me |
| 04:56.56 | mikma | our girl-cat loves the spanking. i shit you not |
| 04:57.19 | mikma | propably the most awesome feature of that cat |
| 04:57.37 | Sargeras | I;m still debating camping the Con site tomorrow |
| 04:57.50 | Sargeras | I'm paranoid after what happened last year |
| 04:57.55 | mikma | second feature is, i always have clean fingers when that cat is around (not dirty in that mind) |
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| 04:59.09 | Shirik | I won't be able to come this year, sadly |
| 04:59.15 | Cairenn | :( |
| 04:59.19 | Sargeras | awwww |
| 04:59.24 | widgertick | Boo |
| 04:59.30 | mikma | fine, they dont even want you there! |
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| 05:18.13 | Shirik | mikma: I know |
| 05:18.15 | Shirik | especially Cairenn |
| 05:18.29 | mikma | she least of all! |
| 05:31.53 | Thunder_Child | Sargeras, where were you sitting? |
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| 05:49.27 | Wobin | wow |
| 05:49.29 | Wobin | http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/ShMayqjiZMI/AAAAAAAADuI/f78e-jSJt1w/longcurls.jpg |
| 05:49.32 | airtonix | if i'm using SecureUnitButtonTemplate to spawn target and pet frames of party units (using : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115099 ) is it possible to send variables to the xml template to specify where i wan to position it? |
| 05:49.40 | Wobin | I wonder when she'll spew pea soup |
| 05:50.56 | airtonix | this is the lua code i'm using to spawn party frames : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115100 |
| 06:01.24 | Taroven | Wobin: Eep. |
| 06:05.42 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, i cant tell if that is real or not |
| 06:12.11 | Taroven | Little question. |
| 06:13.00 | Taroven | When detecting a key via string.match, is Control handled as CONTROL or CTRL? |
| 06:13.46 | Taroven | nm, found it. |
| 06:20.32 | Arrowmaster | so in the last 3 months i think ive rebooted my computer twice |
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| 06:21.00 | Arrowmaster | this is a really bad habit with windows |
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| 06:25.02 | ZorbaTHut | http://cams.pavlovian.net/megauptime.png pfft, twice in three months. that's not even trying |
| 06:25.34 | Arrowmaster | well more than 3 months |
| 06:26.03 | Arrowmaster | im at 4w 5d right now, and i think i was at 9w close to 10w then bluescreened |
| 06:26.05 | Wobin | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1188875/Dont-flap-just-cat-furry-wings.html |
| 06:26.07 | Wobin | creeeeepy |
| 06:26.42 | ZorbaTHut | that'd be flaky drivers or hardware :) there's nothing in windows itself that keeps it from near-indefinite uptime |
| 06:28.02 | Arrowmaster | i have an ati graphics card |
| 06:28.05 | Arrowmaster | nuf said |
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| 06:29.00 | Arrowmaster | if i turn on wmv acceleration in the graphics card driver options i can cause a blue screen 100% of the time just by trying to open a wmv |
| 06:33.17 | Shirik | pokes Arrowmaster |
| 06:33.25 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 06:33.38 | Wobin | well |
| 06:33.40 | Wobin | it's that good see? |
| 06:33.48 | Wobin | It's so fast, it's blueshifting the wmv |
| 06:34.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:34.44 | Antiarc | Welp |
| 06:34.47 | Antiarc | I've written my RP mod |
| 06:34.53 | Antiarc | And now I can't decide if it's amazing or horrible |
| 06:34.53 | Antiarc | http://i41.tinypic.com/i2oahj.jpg |
| 06:34.58 | Wobin | roleplay or runic power? |
| 06:35.08 | Antiarc | Roleplay |
| 06:35.14 | Antiarc | I made the mistake of looking at hte FlagRSP source |
| 06:35.19 | Wobin | woo |
| 06:35.21 | Antiarc | And it offended me so deeply I had to write a better one |
| 06:35.22 | Wobin | terrible mistake |
| 06:35.24 | Antiarc | Even though I don't RP |
| 06:35.56 | Arrowmaster | cant |
| 06:35.58 | Arrowmaster | stop |
| 06:36.00 | Arrowmaster | laughing |
| 06:36.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, do i have to make a ticked for minion not comparing versions properly or is there one already? |
| 06:36.52 | Thunder_Child | ticket* |
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| 06:36.52 | Wobin | Now. That. Is. A Classy. RP |
| 06:37.16 | Shirik | I am going to hurt you Thunder_Child |
| 06:37.32 | Wobin | Antiarc: What are you going to call it? |
| 06:37.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, huh? that was a serious question |
| 06:37.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:37.53 | Shirik | well there's somewhere around 20 tickets open on that issue |
| 06:37.56 | Thunder_Child | ah, ok |
| 06:38.01 | Shirik | along with the other 40 of "minion is installing stuff on its own" |
| 06:38.13 | Shirik | and then maybe 10 mac people saying "I can't use 'more info'" |
| 06:38.30 | Thunder_Child | because my origional was a feature request so i wanted to make sure |
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| 06:38.47 | Antiarc | Wobin: MarySue |
| 06:38.54 | Antiarc | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/mary-sue.aspx |
| 06:39.01 | Wobin | Antiarc: I love you so much |
| 06:39.54 | Shirik | I especially like this one, Thunder_Child. Check the relationships http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=109 |
| 06:40.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, also, has anyone given a feature request for more info base? |
| 06:40.20 | Shirik | what does that mean? |
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| 06:40.43 | Thunder_Child | umm..simply clicking on an addon shows info vs. having to launch a browser |
| 06:41.03 | Thunder_Child | heh, one of my tickets is in that relationship section |
| 06:41.29 | Shirik | if it's before 109 it's fine |
| 06:41.35 | Shirik | if it's after 109 I should hurt you |
| 06:41.38 | Wobin | Hey Antiarc, does SexyMap interfere with Carbonite? |
| 06:41.44 | Thunder_Child | before, it was the first one infact |
| 06:41.45 | Shirik | 109 was when I decided to combine them all into one ticket |
| 06:41.48 | Wobin | I'm not expecting it to, but someone wanted to know |
| 06:42.14 | Antiarc | Wobin: No idea, never tried them together |
| 06:43.26 | Wobin | Antiarc: Why isn't the above screenshot not an example image on the addon page? =P |
| 06:43.35 | Antiarc | I'll be adding it |
| 06:53.10 | Fisker- | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:53.11 | Fisker- | you |
| 06:54.10 | Wobin | meh |
| 06:54.12 | Wobin | too many alts |
| 06:54.21 | Wobin | I've beggered myself getting epic riding on my third =\ |
| 06:54.40 | Wobin | I need epic flying on my second |
| 06:54.46 | VonhintenHOME` | Antiarc, how does MarySue communicate? |
| 06:54.55 | Wobin | addon channel, I assume |
| 06:54.57 | Antiarc | whisper comms |
| 06:55.29 | Wobin | how do you id another MS user? |
| 06:55.53 | Antiarc | 3-byte ping to unknown people on mouseover/target |
| 06:56.04 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, doing just naxx 10/25 will net you about 1Kg a week |
| 06:56.17 | Wobin | in repairs? =P |
| 06:56.38 | Thunder_Child | you should not be dieing in naxx |
| 06:56.50 | Wobin | Antiarc: that could get noisy in Dalaran |
| 06:56.57 | Antiarc | It's throttled |
| 06:57.26 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: I only raid a few days a week |
| 06:57.34 | Wobin | and only 10man |
| 06:57.48 | Thunder_Child | it's the most plesant way of getting money i know |
| 06:57.59 | Thunder_Child | > AH or Dailys imo |
| 06:58.42 | Antiarc | Wobin: One ping per person per 5 minutes, and it also uses ChatThrottleLib |
| 06:59.27 | Antiarc | and only friendly PCs, obviously |
| 06:59.54 | Fisker- | enrages |
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| 07:01.16 | Wobin | shoots Fisker- with a Tranq Shot through the head. |
| 07:02.05 | Fisker- | cries |
| 07:03.01 | Fisker- | takes out a knife btw |
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| 07:03.18 | Wobin | shoots Fisker- with a Tranq Shot through the arse. |
| 07:04.11 | Fisker- | likes |
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| 07:06.38 | Wobin | nice... http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25556094-5014239,00.html |
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| 07:20.46 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, ping |
| 07:21.25 | Fisker- | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:47.04 | AnduinLothar | anyone knwo how to export and transmit gatherer nodes in wow? |
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| 07:58.50 | airtonix | AnduinLothar, spose you read the offical gatherer website yet? |
| 07:59.13 | airtonix | AnduinLothar, or looked through the option configuration interface ingame closely? |
| 08:13.47 | AnduinLothar | i did some, i dont see the option. i seem to remember somethign about it possibly being disabled |
| 08:14.06 | AnduinLothar | i know it exports individual nodes as you find them |
| 08:14.22 | AnduinLothar | but i dont see an option to export share a collection of nodes |
| 08:16.09 | Matsy | Uh. |
| 08:16.17 | Matsy | Wouldn't copying the Gatherer.lua work? |
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| 08:16.25 | Matsy | At least, that's how most exports work |
| 08:16.48 | AnduinLothar | was thinkign more of a share online using the addon chat channels |
| 08:17.20 | Matsy | So, in-game sharing? |
| 08:17.27 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 08:17.36 | Matsy | Don't know about that :( |
| 08:17.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Gatherer already has a sharing system, I thought |
| 08:18.02 | VonhintenHOME` | it's gathermate that doesn't |
| 08:18.11 | AnduinLothar | sep addon? |
| 08:18.15 | VonhintenHOME` | no, built in |
| 08:18.23 | Matsy | Ah. |
| 08:18.24 | Matsy | Yes, I see it here |
| 08:18.38 | Matsy | FIrst, ensure that you both have the most recent Gatherer version installed and activated. |
| 08:18.39 | Matsy | If you are sending the nodes in-game, you both need to have the Gatherer sharing UI open at the same time, the sender has to select and send the nodes, and the receiver has to accept the transfer. |
| 08:18.39 | Matsy | See Q.7 of http://Wiki.Norganna.Org/Gatherer/FAQ . |
| 08:18.39 | Matsy | Nikk :shades |
| 08:18.41 | VonhintenHOME` | it's a little tricky to use, the other person has to choose to accept it |
| 08:18.55 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah |
| 08:19.01 | Matsy | http://wiki.norganna.org/Gatherer/FAQ |
| 08:19.05 | Matsy | It's there |
| 08:19.18 | Matsy | At the "Can I 'give' my data of nodes to a mate without mailling my settings to him?" |
| 08:19.51 | AnduinLothar | oh i see |
| 08:19.55 | AnduinLothar | "Send Marked" |
| 08:19.57 | VonhintenHOME` | To be honest though, when I found out I could get a precompiled set of node data with gathermate_data, that pretty much sealed the deal for me |
| 08:20.00 | AnduinLothar | clear as mud |
| 08:20.01 | VonhintenHOME` | no more sharing necessary |
| 08:20.09 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 08:20.13 | Matsy | Same for Carbonite_Nodes |
| 08:20.19 | Matsy | It pretty much has everything |
| 08:23.49 | VonhintenHOME` | holy shit, archive.org's music listing has exploded: http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator |
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| 08:24.21 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 08:24.24 | Matsy | Its just that |
| 08:24.27 | Matsy | I dont know any of those bands |
| 08:24.34 | VonhintenHOME` | I know a ton of them |
| 08:24.43 | Matsy | Such as? |
| 08:24.51 | VonhintenHOME` | String Cheese Incident, Martin Sexton, Keller Williams, Moe... |
| 08:25.09 | VonhintenHOME` | Disco Biscuits, shit.. the dozens more |
| 08:25.15 | VonhintenHOME` | the=there are |
| 08:25.17 | Matsy | .... |
| 08:27.29 | VonhintenHOME` | the shear volume of grateful dead shows hosted there is crazy... 6728 separate shows |
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| 09:34.12 | _rane | nevcairiel: is there a way to hide and show all BT4 action bars through a macro or something? |
| 09:34.21 | nevcairiel | not in combat |
| 09:35.39 | _rane | I typically keep action bars hidden, and only turn them visible when I make changes |
| 09:36.17 | _rane | so I'm looking for more convenient way to do that than unchecking always hide for every bar |
| 09:36.33 | Industrial | Anyone know a starcraft (1) irc channel/ |
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| 09:39.02 | nevcairiel | _rane: well you can macro that, but it wont work in combat, its something like "/bt4 bars 1 visibility always" or something |
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| 11:48.43 | Alfuin | Cairenn, you on? :D |
| 11:49.55 | Alfuin | any wowint people here? :D |
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| 11:56.45 | Alfuin | Cairenn? |
| 11:58.43 | Coren{de} | since when is this broken again and is there a workaround to it? => UnitPopupButtons["FOO"] = { text = "Foo!" }; tinsert(UnitPopupMenus["PLAYER"/"PARTY"/"FRIEND"], "FOO"); => 'Target'/'Focus' are taint-erroring. :-( |
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| 12:01.22 | Alfuin | Coren, is text a local? |
| 12:02.16 | Coren{de} | as it's inside a table context, it's as local as I can imagine :) |
| 12:02.34 | Alfuin | just a thought |
| 12:02.57 | Alfuin | Kaelten |
| 12:03.08 | Coren{de} | it should be so simple ;( |
| 12:04.37 | foxlit | Suppose I wanted to make a 1-unit-width border around an arbitrary rectangular frame |
| 12:04.42 | foxlit | Am I stuck with making 4 textures? |
| 12:05.03 | Alfuin | well to who it may concern, i made a suggestion for a new iconpack for minion, as it was wasting lots of space. if any of you want to get my iconpack (one simple ico file) DCC chat to me... |
| 12:07.32 | foxlit | Chances are it actually stores png images in the jar. |
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| 12:08.03 | foxlit | Meh, minion/resources/splash.png is generic |
| 12:09.14 | Alfuin | well, in win xp it gererates an icon, which i manipulated a little. people at wowint can work out form my idea if they want |
| 12:09.50 | foxlit | As in the shortcut / application icon? |
| 12:10.14 | Alfuin | yeah, classic windows .ico file |
| 12:10.27 | foxlit | Ah. I was thinking of something else. |
| 12:11.05 | Alfuin | i noticed that minion is holding "UI", so i was thinking what if he's looking up at "MMO" from the original logo? |
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| 12:40.14 | Alfuin | well, here's my suggesetion for new minion icon... http://www.filedropper.com/minionico |
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| 13:49.49 | p3lim6270 | is there some API i can use to detect what tradeskill(s) the player has? |
| 13:50.11 | foxlit | GetSpellInfo would work |
| 13:51.17 | durcyn | ^ to clarify, GetSpellInfo on the -names- would work |
| 13:51.35 | foxlit | But beware the localization monster |
| 13:51.42 | durcyn | just call GetSpellInfo twice ;) |
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| 13:52.07 | foxlit | Ah, I see nobody has told you about the localization monster. |
| 13:52.32 | durcyn | you're a localization monster. and yeah, first aid in german is broken, what else? |
| 13:58.05 | foxlit | Actually, they seem to have fixed it. |
| 13:58.19 | foxlit | heads back into his dark, dark cave. |
| 14:00.10 | Coren{de} | wonders if people really actually ever lived in caves... |
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| 14:01.22 | zenzelezz | "Yesterday, Sony Online Entertainment representative Daniel Myers announced that The Matrix Online will be shut down on July 31st." |
| 14:01.35 | zenzelezz | admittedly it ran longer than I had expected, but this still doesn't surprise me |
| 14:03.15 | foxlit | Do textures escapes behave properly around FontString:GetStringWidth? |
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| 14:19.51 | p3lim6270 | so by doing GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(spellID)) i get to know if the player has the spell? |
| 14:20.00 | p3lim6270 | without localizing issues |
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| 14:34.03 | p3lim | so by doing GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(spellID)) i get to know if the player has the spell? |
| 14:35.07 | durcyn | p3lim: generally speaking, yes |
| 14:35.34 | p3lim | ok |
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| 14:37.59 | Fisker- | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:38.20 | durcyn | Fisker-: you told me you loved me! |
| 14:39.08 | Fisker- | i lied |
| 14:41.32 | Grum | only from behind in an alley? |
| 14:43.44 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker-. |
| 14:43.57 | Fisker- | eats the testicle |
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| 14:44.05 | Fisker- | vælter haste |
| 14:45.40 | haste | oh shi- |
| 14:46.03 | haste | ~emulate Fisker- |
| 14:46.04 | purl | i guess emulate fisker- is DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER |
| 14:46.10 | haste | haha |
| 14:47.58 | Fisker- | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:59.28 | Ackis | Cairenn: pingish |
| 15:03.47 | Fisker- | you can't handle the pong Ackis |
| 15:03.56 | Ackis | [08:43] * haste throws a testicle at Fisker-. |
| 15:04.05 | Ackis | wow I never would've thought Fisker- would get some balls |
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| 15:08.46 | Fisker- | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:19.31 | durcyn | only canadians and losers live in mountain time, Ackis, which one or both are you |
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| 15:20.22 | Guest31983 | ns release Shirik |
| 15:20.49 | Shadowed | Shirik or Cairenn http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24185 |
| 15:21.01 | Shirik | wtf I'm not even here for 2 seconds |
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| 15:21.24 | Shadowed | hey at least I asked you this time instead of just Cair |
| 15:21.41 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 15:25.36 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
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| 15:33.51 | Shirik | hey Fisker- |
| 15:34.05 | Fisker- | *scared* |
| 15:34.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 15:34.23 | Shirik | why :( |
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| 15:36.22 | Fisker- | you said hey |
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| 15:51.04 | msou| | Any EU platers here specifically on kazzak realm? |
| 15:52.27 | Shirik | gah ScytheBlade1 making more work for me |
| 15:52.31 | Shirik | posting bugs to the wrong projects |
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| 15:52.51 | Fisker- | i'm an eu plate |
| 15:54.08 | msou| | man I am tired, my freidns won't do naxx cause of them going to the army tomorrow and we've been doing heroics all the time.. got bored of doing the same stuff everyday and dunno what achievements they're after on the /1 channel and stats |
| 15:54.31 | msou| | stats I think power: 2719, crit chance 21.11 unbuffed |
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| 15:58.18 | Fisker- | you won't make it Cairenn |
| 15:58.31 | foxlit | So, target of target cast bar |
| 15:58.41 | foxlit | I'm contemplating hiding that. |
| 15:59.01 | foxlit | Or at least the spell name portion of it |
| 15:59.24 | Fisker- | makes fun of Cairenn for not getting tickets ;3 |
| 16:02.07 | Wobin | notes the Minion news post on wowinsider |
| 16:02.20 | Wobin | does not look at the comments. |
| 16:02.20 | mikma | spotify:track:4uxRvoqyroo0n6IDnQulYz |
| 16:02.46 | msou| | What achievements usually ppl look for for naxx? |
| 16:03.12 | Wobin | "Do you know which end of the sword goes in the bad guy?" |
| 16:03.15 | zenzelezz | "And Power level 1-80, extra 5000g and three skill points for free!" <-- what now, power-levelled characters get extra skill points? |
| 16:03.50 | mikma | wobin: comments are basicly like this: "OLOLOLOO they blocked wowmatrix and now they released a program like it, irony!!!!11" |
| 16:03.58 | Wobin | zenzelezz: maybe they can be redeemed for ... pie |
| 16:04.12 | Wobin | mikma: good thing I didn't read them then |
| 16:05.18 | mikma | wobin: yeah, don't. i did read some until i got pissed and decide it's not worth it |
| 16:06.36 | Wobin | So, I healed my first instances as a shammy |
| 16:06.55 | Wobin | although they've nerfed the starting BC instances something terrible I'm sure |
| 16:07.02 | Wobin | cause I never had it this easy the first time round |
| 16:07.13 | mikma | shaman healing is now super-easy |
| 16:07.21 | Wobin | Earth Shield |
| 16:07.24 | Wobin | + Riptide |
| 16:07.35 | Wobin | occasional LHW |
| 16:07.41 | Wobin | and a chain heal if I was bored |
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| 16:07.57 | mikma | that's shaman healing abc ^^ |
| 16:08.04 | Wobin | The only time I had to NS+HW was when a shammy stepped into a couple of mines |
| 16:08.25 | Wobin | Earth Shield is -such- a good spell |
| 16:08.37 | Wobin | It's a personal PoM |
| 16:09.02 | Wobin | My overheal was pretty terrible though |
| 16:09.10 | foxlit | /target nextunit /cast Rejuvenation |
| 16:09.18 | Wobin | cause I didn't feel confident about large heals |
| 16:09.24 | Wobin | like I used on my priest |
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| 16:10.30 | foxlit | Priests are weird. They seem to be doing a lot more FH casting than when I played one at 60. |
| 16:10.44 | Wobin | I haven't played my priest since 70 |
| 16:10.51 | foxlit | I got to 70. |
| 16:10.53 | Wobin | so I have no idea about the current state of affairs =\ |
| 16:11.09 | Wobin | well, since BC anyway |
| 16:11.22 | foxlit | "Ashbringer TPB out now" << I wonder what TPB is |
| 16:12.15 | mikma | the pirate bay |
| 16:12.35 | Tuller | that was my first guess |
| 16:12.44 | foxlit | but then the title doesn't make sense |
| 16:13.15 | mikma | yeah, it doesn't. therefore, it's not piratebay. |
| 16:13.22 | Wobin | Trade Paperback was my first guess =) |
| 16:13.33 | Wobin | oh hey |
| 16:13.36 | Wobin | that could be right =P |
| 16:13.43 | Codayus | GHeal was good at 70, but yeah, at 80 its shifted more to Flash. |
| 16:14.06 | foxlit | I suspect they painted themselves into a corner with the 10/25 instance split |
| 16:14.10 | durcyn | Wobin: you filthy librarin, you. |
| 16:14.14 | Wobin | So priests have turned into pallies? =P |
| 16:14.14 | durcyn | librarian also! |
| 16:14.27 | foxlit | Tank HP doesn't scale at the same rate as incoming damage |
| 16:14.51 | foxlit | So rather than a healing... bandwidth... check, incoming damage is a healing... latency check |
| 16:14.59 | Codayus | Wobin: Not really. Disc and holy play fairly differently. Flash isn't really the main tool for either. |
| 16:15.42 | zenzelezz | how is discipline for 5-man healing? |
| 16:15.43 | Wobin | Codayus: I quite like the idea of Disc's healing methodology |
| 16:15.50 | Codayus | foxlit: If I understand the analogy, yes - but by design. They've been fairly open about wanting to make healing be more interesting and not just "spam rank 2 GHeal until the mob fall over" |
| 16:16.31 | Codayus | zenzelezz: *shrug* 0/0/0 is okay for 5 man healing. But it's fine, even so, especially for fights without much AoE component. |
| 16:16.40 | zenzelezz | I'm leveling my old troll priest on discipline now, just about to ding 70. I really like the tree |
| 16:16.58 | Wobin | The whole idea of mitigation rather than direct healing is more interesting |
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| 16:17.42 | Codayus | Disc is...nice. Was working on Thorim earlier, which has a heavy AoE component - spent most of the time spamming PW:S. That's a big playstyle change from anything pre-3.1. |
| 16:17.47 | Wobin | I wonder how applicable shammy healing will be at 80 |
| 16:18.23 | Wobin | (damn Thorim) |
| 16:18.33 | Wobin | we just got overwhelmed in the arena =( |
| 16:18.46 | Wobin | tanking that is so terrible =\ |
| 16:18.49 | foxlit | Codayus: I'm not sure the concept is a net win |
| 16:19.27 | Codayus | foxlit: Well, the fun thing is...that's something you might do on a couple fights, but most others you'll be doing something *completely* different. |
| 16:19.30 | Fisker- | in the mountains Wobin |
| 16:19.31 | foxlit | curses <OnLoad> inheritance |
| 16:19.48 | foxlit | Codayus: not disc, just the shift to casting faster heals. |
| 16:19.58 | foxlit | I'm all for unique mechanics. |
| 16:20.20 | Codayus | Wobin: Heh, yeah. I think gauntlet fail was wipes 1-4 or so. Arena squish was wiped...5 through 13. Downed on the 14th pull. :-) |
| 16:20.33 | Wobin | Codayus: grats =) |
| 16:20.43 | Wobin | I quite liked the gauntlet run |
| 16:20.44 | Codayus | foxlit: Ah, yeah. I agree, to an extent. |
| 16:20.53 | Codayus | But to make healing fun, then heals need to be properly timed. |
| 16:21.00 | Wobin | we tried 3 manning the gauntlet but it wasn't enough =\ |
| 16:21.11 | Codayus | And the old "land a GHeal when you THINK damage is going to land" stuff was...bleh. |
| 16:21.31 | foxlit | As long as you can reasonably predict when that'd happen, I'd say it's a good design. |
| 16:21.33 | Codayus | So...that really pushes you towards fast reactive healing. |
| 16:21.50 | foxlit | Of course, if you're competing with someone's dodge/parry RNG, it isn't. |
| 16:21.54 | Codayus | Well, there's a fair chunk of that. Fusion Punch, Frozen Blows, um...stuff like that. |
| 16:22.10 | Codayus | Where you can blow PS, or GS. |
| 16:22.23 | Codayus | I think that's the best you can do from a design standpoint, really. |
| 16:22.52 | foxlit | Making overhealing extend maximum HP could be an interesting idea. |
| 16:23.08 | Codayus | foxlit: It does for disc. Kinda. Stacking DA shields on crit. |
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| 16:23.28 | foxlit | Hurray for disc. Now we just have to get the other 5 specs onboard :) |
| 16:23.31 | Codayus | Between that, plain old PW:S, and PS on cooldown, you can actually build up a bit of a buffer. |
| 16:23.34 | Codayus | :-) |
| 16:23.45 | Wobin | DA stacks? |
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| 16:23.52 | Wobin | that's kinda cool =) |
| 16:23.55 | Codayus | Wobin: It does. Up to like...a large number. |
| 16:24.23 | foxlit | So, evil time |
| 16:24.39 | foxlit | <Button name="foo" virtual="true"><Scripts><OnLoad> stuff |
| 16:24.48 | Codayus | Wobin: We spent most of the 13 wipes making people swap back and forth from healing to DPS, and shifting people between guantlet and arena. If your undergeared scrubs, the fight seems REALLY sensitive to raid composition. |
| 16:24.59 | foxlit | <Button name="foo2" virtual="true" inherits="foo"><Scripts><OnLoad>bar |
| 16:25.04 | Codayus | Unsurprising, I guess. *shrug* |
| 16:25.04 | foxlit | But bar would override stuff :( |
| 16:25.23 | Wobin | Codayus: oh absolutely. |
| 16:26.04 | foxlit | I wonder if <Button><Frames><Frame><Scripts><OnLoad> would be too evil |
| 16:28.23 | Wobin | Codayus: Is Renewed Hope raidwide, or only to the PW:S'd target? |
| 16:28.54 | Fisker- | just remember that it's in the mountains Wobin |
| 16:29.32 | durcyn | I REMEMBER YOU, Fisker- |
| 16:31.22 | Fisker- | in the mountains? |
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| 16:36.43 | Wobin | Codayus: hm, so if you have 26k mana, a single casting of PW:S in a 12 second period is essentially free due to Rapture? |
| 16:39.53 | foxlit | There's no way to check what a particular frame handle inherits from, right? |
| 16:40.36 | Fisker- | meets Wobin |
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| 16:40.40 | Fisker- | ...IN THE MOUNTAINS |
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| 16:45.45 | Fisker- | so Wobin |
| 16:45.57 | Fisker- | in 15 minutes we have to make fun of Cairenn for not getting any tickets |
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| 17:00.22 | Fisker- | mwuhahhahaha Cairenn |
| 17:00.25 | Fisker- | you won't get it |
| 17:00.38 | Fisker- | weird that the stock thingy already says 50% |
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| 17:02.46 | Fisker- | http://www.blizzard.com/store/_flash/failocalypse.htm |
| 17:02.47 | Fisker- | lulz |
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| 17:10.10 | Kandoko | So how's everyone looking in the ticket Queue |
| 17:11.39 | Shadowed | got mine |
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| 17:12.09 | ZorbaTHut | not gettin' mine, time to go do something else |
| 17:12.25 | Fisker- | Cairenn isn't getting any either |
| 17:12.26 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 17:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | all right fisker, that's it |
| 17:12.43 | zenzelezz | so certain are you? |
| 17:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fisker-++ |
| 17:13.22 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 17:14.20 | zenzelezz | I'd be surprised if Blizzard didn't have some extra tickets for people they might consider important to the community |
| 17:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | they gave those tickets to the sites for use by someone other than the site administrators, I'm betting |
| 17:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | As evident through the multiple contests seen on the various sites for 3 tickets |
| 17:15.16 | durcyn | seeing as it's under the auspices of the fan site program, you're likely correct |
| 17:15.21 | Nechckn | They really need to let people sign up for the chance to get in over some week, or so, period.. then send a mail saying - You have 2 slots, buy it by day X. Then, they could do this circus for any that were unclaimed |
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| 17:17.37 | Osstia | how'd the ticket race go for ya'll this morning? |
| 17:17.55 | cbreak | what ever ticket you mean, I won all of them. |
| 17:18.38 | Nechckn | still going, Osstia |
| 17:19.05 | Nechckn | 15% of stock remaining |
| 17:23.54 | Fisker- | how does it work if you want to buy a ticket to someone else? |
| 17:24.07 | Fisker- | Do you have to collect them yourself or does it have to be the person you "nominate" or whatever? |
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| 17:27.38 | Nechckn | rawr.... |
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| 17:28.13 | Nechckn | (lower case, purposefully) |
| 17:28.22 | Nechckn | Year 2 and no tickets |
| 17:30.30 | Fisker- | fuck yeah |
| 17:30.40 | Fisker- | Was in the queue for funsies |
| 17:30.42 | Fisker- | got through |
| 17:30.44 | Fisker- | some guy didn't |
| 17:30.46 | Fisker- | offered him tickets |
| 17:30.48 | Fisker- | he didn't want them |
| 17:30.49 | Fisker- | :O |
| 17:30.53 | Nechckn | wha??!?1?! |
| 17:31.11 | Nechckn | oh.Fisker.you.are.evil. |
| 17:31.17 | Fisker- | that was good :( |
| 17:31.51 | Wobin | bah |
| 17:31.52 | Wobin | level 51 |
| 17:31.55 | Wobin | that'll do |
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| 17:33.56 | Fisker- | i'd play but annoying sounds are annoying |
| 17:35.01 | Nechckn | well, if it changed any, that would be one thing |
| 17:35.58 | haste | L62 |
| 17:36.00 | haste | then I gave up :P |
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| 17:36.58 | Nechckn | You are quite the patient person |
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| 17:44.37 | Wobin | yeah |
| 17:44.40 | Wobin | the graphics actually broke |
| 17:44.47 | Wobin | if you use the charge weapon too much and move |
| 17:44.55 | Wobin | it covers the whole screen and doesn't disappear |
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| 17:45.19 | Wobin | so I spent the last 20 levels with 2/3 of the screen red =P |
| 17:45.38 | Fisker- | same with the diablo guy |
| 17:45.41 | haste | I got that pretty early |
| 17:45.56 | Fisker- | his special is a fireball that "slides" over the street |
| 17:46.02 | Fisker- | and it keeps going if you charge it too much |
| 17:46.10 | Fisker- | so you hear a billion bangs |
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| 17:51.00 | Alfuin | is there a simple way in lua to cause a delay, i.e. a loop, with easy settings time? |
| 17:51.08 | Alfuin | setting* |
| 17:51.18 | foxlit | Lua code runs as part of the rendering process. |
| 17:51.25 | foxlit | i.e. on the same thread. |
| 17:51.35 | cbreak | it's nasty if your code takes too long |
| 17:51.45 | foxlit | While your code executes (or waits, or loops), you're not seeing any screen updates. |
| 17:52.03 | Alfuin | i emulate a Decahedral Dwarven Dice, the emote is coded before the roll, but sometimes the roll comes first... |
| 17:52.17 | cbreak | use events |
| 17:52.39 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/text.png << grr, text renderer |
| 17:52.44 | Alfuin | this is to use in an addon using lua-script |
| 17:52.48 | cbreak | if you wait one tenth of a second, you won't get a frame redraw for one tenth of a second, so the result will suck |
| 17:52.54 | foxlit | All four frames inherit from the same thing, yet text positions are slightly different |
| 17:53.18 | cbreak | text position? |
| 17:53.25 | foxlit | Look at the mana numbers |
| 17:53.49 | foxlit | The one for the top frame appears slightly higher relative to its bottom border than the one for the bottom frame. |
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| 17:54.25 | cbreak | hmm, yes. |
| 17:54.40 | cbreak | maybe a rounding error? |
| 17:54.44 | Alfuin | there is a command, don't know if it is result of an addon or in the API, used in macros it is like -> /in 2 /roll |
| 17:54.44 | cbreak | do you have UIScale or scaled parent frames? |
| 17:55.05 | foxlit | :GetEffectiveScale on that frame gives 0.95 |
| 17:55.19 | Alfuin | that will cause the command to be delayed without freezing anything |
| 17:55.22 | cbreak | as said |
| 17:55.24 | cbreak | use events |
| 17:55.28 | Aelobin | hmm with the wowace alphabet mathematics contest, it says numbers can be fed in too. does that mean no letter will represent that number? |
| 17:55.36 | foxlit | So that just might be it |
| 17:56.20 | foxlit | But 0.95 appears to be the saved default... somewhere. |
| 17:56.34 | cbreak | UI Scale? :) |
| 17:56.38 | cbreak | I think I have 0.84 |
| 17:56.42 | foxlit | turned off. |
| 17:57.30 | Alfuin | cbreak you say use events... which events? |
| 17:57.35 | cbreak | depends |
| 17:57.41 | cbreak | if you want to wait for a chat event |
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| 17:57.45 | cbreak | wait for the chat event |
| 17:57.52 | cbreak | if you want to wait for some cast related one, do that |
| 17:58.00 | Alfuin | i want it to wait for x seconds... |
| 17:58.03 | cbreak | if you want to wait for the next frame, hack onupdate |
| 17:58.06 | cbreak | why? |
| 17:58.11 | Alfuin | scroll up |
| 17:58.14 | cbreak | you'll have to hack on update |
| 17:58.16 | Alfuin | i already said |
| 17:58.26 | cbreak | yes, but that's a stupid reason |
| 17:59.13 | Alfuin | stupid? |
| 17:59.18 | Alfuin | :O |
| 17:59.51 | cbreak | yes |
| 18:00.02 | cbreak | you don't want x seconds, you want to wait after the roll, right? |
| 18:00.20 | Alfuin | no, i want the roll to come x seconds after the emote |
| 18:00.35 | cbreak | then hook some OnUpdate |
| 18:00.41 | Alfuin | argh! |
| 18:00.43 | cbreak | create your frame, and count the time |
| 18:00.51 | cbreak | and when you pass x seconds, call your code |
| 18:01.00 | Alfuin | now you start talking... count the time. how?! |
| 18:01.05 | cbreak | don't forget to unregister OnUpdate again or you'll needlessly spend cpu time |
| 18:01.06 | dardack_ | onupdate |
| 18:01.09 | dardack_ | use elapsed |
| 18:01.12 | cbreak | yeah |
| 18:01.16 | Alfuin | elapsed. thanks!! |
| 18:01.16 | cbreak | it gets passed as parameter |
| 18:01.28 | Alfuin | now i got an answer! |
| 18:01.33 | cbreak | of course you did. |
| 18:01.41 | Alfuin | not all speak fluent lua |
| 18:01.49 | cbreak | it has nothing to do with lua |
| 18:01.52 | cbreak | its all WoW API |
| 18:02.16 | dardack_ | yea unupdate has elaspsed passed, when cbreak told ya to use onupdate, could just check the api documentation of it |
| 18:02.33 | Alfuin | allright |
| 18:02.44 | Alfuin | thanks for explaining for cbreak, dardack |
| 18:03.27 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnUpdate |
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| 18:03.49 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 18:03.58 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API) |
| 18:04.05 | Alfuin | thnx |
| 18:04.50 | Cairenn | Alfuin: thank you, we'll take a look at it :) |
| 18:05.15 | Alfuin | ah, hey cairenn, i see you got my file |
| 18:05.23 | Cairenn | aye |
| 18:05.29 | Cairenn | thank you :) |
| 18:05.31 | dardack_ | yawn |
| 18:05.36 | Alfuin | from here or from my msg i sent on wowint? |
| 18:05.57 | Cairenn | both |
| 18:06.10 | Alfuin | ./shy |
| 18:06.18 | Alfuin | sorry for bugging you :D |
| 18:07.01 | Cairenn | not bugging me at all, no worries :) |
| 18:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | she exists to be bugged |
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| 18:16.01 | zenzelezz | she's an attention tease |
| 18:17.18 | Cairenn | gives zenzelezz attention |
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| 18:19.45 | Cairenn | snickers at zenzelezz |
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| 18:25.48 | Alfuin | damn i can't make odds or ends of this onupdate thing |
| 18:26.01 | cbreak | what's the problem? |
| 18:26.52 | Alfuin | trying the code examples from wowwiki but it gives error |
| 18:29.07 | Grum | what error? :) |
| 18:30.35 | cbreak | the example might be out of date |
| 18:30.48 | cbreak | it has changed quite a bit in the last few expansions |
| 18:31.35 | foxlit | link the page |
| 18:36.52 | Alfuin | oh nevermind, i got it to work |
| 18:37.41 | Alfuin | my copying missed a character :P |
| 18:37.48 | cbreak | don't forget to unregister OnUpdate once you don't need it anymore |
| 18:37.57 | cbreak | :SetScript("OnUpdate",nil); |
| 18:38.04 | cbreak | or so :) |
| 18:38.46 | Fisker- | haha Cairenn |
| 18:38.50 | Fisker- | you didn't get any tickets! |
| 18:38.56 | Cairenn | nope, I was asleep |
| 18:38.59 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 18:41.38 | Thunder_Child | and then Fisker- remembers that Cairenn didnt need to be awake then to get her tickets |
| 18:41.47 | Thunder_Child | and feels silly |
| 18:41.51 | Cairenn | yup :) |
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| 18:46.19 | Fisker- | naw |
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| 18:50.02 | Thunder_Child | yup |
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| 18:50.16 | Cairenn | hugs her press pass |
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| 19:02.28 | Matsy | Heyhey |
| 19:02.46 | Cairenn | hi |
| 19:02.57 | Matsy | How's this day treating you? |
| 19:03.08 | Cairenn | well enough, you? |
| 19:03.33 | Matsy | Same here, really |
| 19:03.44 | Matsy | It's a saturday, so can't be all that bad ;p |
| 19:03.49 | Cairenn | better than the alternative ;) |
| 19:03.49 | Cairenn | aye |
| 19:04.01 | Matsy | Indeed :) |
| 19:05.07 | Matsy | It's quiet here ;o |
| 19:05.14 | Cairenn | aye, it is |
| 19:05.20 | Matsy | I expected that this channel would be infested in the weekends. |
| 19:05.34 | Cairenn | it actually tends to be busier on weekdays |
| 19:05.42 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 19:06.02 | Cairenn | everyone's a) sleeping in, b) pretending to have some sort of a "real" life ;) |
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| 19:06.09 | Matsy | Hahahaha |
| 19:06.13 | Fisker- | c) Laughing at people not getting Blizzcon tickets |
| 19:06.13 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 19:06.19 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:06.21 | Matsy | I'll get those blizzcon tickets for sure. |
| 19:06.26 | Cairenn | tickles Fisker- |
| 19:06.28 | Matsy | There are 3 programming tickets to be won. |
| 19:06.33 | Matsy | They're all mine, yesh |
| 19:06.39 | Cairenn | there are 3 more being raffled over at WoWI |
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| 19:06.46 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 19:06.50 | Matsy | But, I really fail at odds. |
| 19:07.11 | Coren{de} | what's this "real" life you're talking about? /ponder |
| 19:07.39 | Matsy | I really should register at Wowinterface. |
| 19:07.56 | Matsy | That means I have a chance of getting a ticket on 3 sites. |
| 19:07.58 | Matsy | Interesting. |
| 19:09.18 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:10.52 | Matsy | Time to learn LUA. |
| 19:10.59 | durcyn | krka: fail |
| 19:11.07 | krka | Matsy: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that. ;-) |
| 19:11.15 | Matsy | Oh :( |
| 19:11.20 | Matsy | *Time to learn Lua. |
| 19:11.56 | Cairenn | that's a bot response |
| 19:12.08 | Matsy | Really? |
| 19:12.09 | Matsy | LUA |
| 19:12.09 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 19:12.23 | Matsy | Hahaha |
| 19:12.27 | Matsy | That's awesome |
| 19:12.29 | durcyn | it's throttled |
| 19:13.44 | Matsy | Can't be too hard. |
| 19:13.56 | Cairenn | it's because so many people [that are new to programming using it] type it all caps, like its an acronym, which it isn't |
| 19:14.44 | Matsy | That's a start already. |
| 19:14.56 | Matsy | I know what the programming language is really called now;p |
| 19:15.04 | Cairenn | ~lua |
| 19:15.04 | purl | methinks lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 19:15.05 | Coren{de} | well, I find nothing wrong with caps'ing it, because in earlier days BASIC, PASCAL, COBOL etc. were all caps'ed and not acronyms as well |
| 19:15.08 | Cairenn | ~pil |
| 19:15.09 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 19:15.17 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:15.17 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:15.24 | Cairenn | ~wowcompares |
| 19:15.25 | purl | somebody said wowcompares was http://wowcompares.com |
| 19:15.32 | Cairenn | ~api |
| 19:15.33 | purl | well, api is (Application Programming Interface) APIs allow you to program to a pre-constructed interface (the API) instead of programming a device or piece of software directly. This allows for faster development, since programming to a device's API is designed to be easier than programming to a device directly. APIs allow you to program without having intimate knowledge of the device or software that you a |
| 19:15.41 | Cairenn | hrm, wrong one |
| 19:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowapi |
| 19:15.49 | purl | (.*?) http://www.wowwiki.com/API_$1 |
| 19:15.51 | Coren{de} | lua> print("Stop the spam! :p") |
| 19:15.52 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: Stop the spam! :p |
| 19:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | oh right, that one |
| 19:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 19:16.07 | Cairenn | ~framexml |
| 19:16.08 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 19:16.10 | zenzelezz | hah |
| 19:16.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:16.23 | Cairenn | there you go, Matsy, those are the starting links you need |
| 19:16.34 | Matsy | Oh |
| 19:16.38 | Matsy | I already have a LUA book in my cabinet. |
| 19:16.41 | Matsy | *lua |
| 19:16.41 | Matsy | :( |
| 19:16.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:16.50 | Cairenn | good then |
| 19:16.55 | Matsy | I'll check those too. |
| 19:17.03 | Matsy | More information = more knowledge, I presume. |
| 19:17.32 | Matsy | And, I can use Eclipse for Lua programming, so I'm not all that uncomfortable. |
| 19:17.50 | Matsy | Does someone here have the information about the alphabet mathematics contest, though? |
| 19:17.53 | Matsy | Seems like the site is down. |
| 19:17.59 | Coren{de} | the only thing I'd expect you then being surprised about is taint and secure* stuff |
| 19:18.53 | Matsy | .. what |
| 19:19.01 | Coren{de} | ~taint |
| 19:19.02 | purl | ACTION calls a few functions and nothing is secure any longer. |
| 19:19.04 | Matsy | Are those the initialisation functions of WoW? |
| 19:19.21 | Coren{de} | No. Blizzard had to protect some functions to avoid botting. |
| 19:19.24 | Matsy | Heh. I'm really not into WoW programming. |
| 19:20.10 | Coren{de} | So you are not allowed to call them directly at all, and the UI keeps track of where you changed stuff around that could change the behaviour of the "official" UI |
| 19:20.25 | Matsy | Those are the privileged functions? |
| 19:20.30 | End | yes |
| 19:20.34 | Matsy | Ah. |
| 19:20.47 | End | but even touching something that touches those functions won't work |
| 19:21.06 | End | the idea being, AddOns are tainted, and they can't touch anything without spreading taint |
| 19:21.38 | End | there's explicit ways for authors to use those functions indirectly, via secure frames |
| 19:22.06 | Matsy | And let me guess |
| 19:22.09 | Matsy | Those can't be used in-combat |
| 19:22.18 | End | well |
| 19:22.31 | End | you can't set the frames up in combat |
| 19:22.49 | End | but we're given some control on how they work |
| 19:24.57 | Coren{de} | you can e.g. create a secure button to call a protected function (targetting a predefined unit, casting a predefined spell) on clicking, which will also work in combat (but can't be changed in combat) |
| 19:25.52 | Coren{de} | but secure stuff isn't the best way to start WoW programming :D |
| 19:26.01 | End | indeed |
| 19:26.08 | Matsy | It's good to know about it. |
| 19:26.14 | Matsy | At least, I think |
| 19:26.39 | End | unit frames and spell buttons are the only things that -really- have to deal with it |
| 19:27.16 | VonhintenHOME` | obviously you can't programmatically execute secured stuff... like a button click, and the combat lockout is to prevent a manual button click from doing different things... anti-botting all the way |
| 19:27.46 | Coren{de} | and as Blizzard themselves have trouble with the implementation sometimes... it's not uncommon to be broken or breaking other stuff for large amounts of time |
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| 19:32.50 | Coren{de} | to point out at least something immediately useful regarding this matter: you should "local" your variables as much as you can to avoid taint matters :) |
| 19:34.24 | durcyn | correct scoping has nothing to do with taint |
| 19:34.50 | durcyn | but spewing variables all over the global environment is not a good practice regardless |
| 19:36.10 | Matsy | But |
| 19:36.16 | Matsy | That's language-wide, anyway. |
| 19:36.26 | Matsy | It's like that in every programming langeu. |
| 19:36.28 | Matsy | *language. |
| 19:37.07 | Coren{de} | I'd agree if Blizzard were always scoping properly... :p Why is focus on X-Perl frames broken again? ~ |
| 19:37.43 | durcyn | Coren{de}: you're confusing two separate issues |
| 19:41.04 | Matsy | I need some piece of paper :< |
| 19:41.15 | Matsy | there it is |
| 19:41.46 | Coren{de} | Drawing out scheme for world domination? =) |
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| 19:42.59 | Matsy | Naw |
| 19:43.14 | Matsy | Trying to make a formula for the "alphabet mathematics" |
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| 19:45.25 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1243628827387.jpg |
| 19:45.32 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
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| 19:59.26 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, ping |
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| 20:05.07 | Matsy | Heh |
| 20:05.16 | Matsy | Who the hell invented those programming challenges :< |
| 20:05.20 | Matsy | well |
| 20:05.24 | Matsy | they're not even programming challenges |
| 20:08.23 | haste | Matsy: "those"? |
| 20:08.32 | Matsy | Yes |
| 20:08.37 | Matsy | The ones at Woace |
| 20:08.40 | Matsy | *Wowace |
| 20:11.12 | Tem | points to #wowace |
| 20:11.12 | cbreak | if you want programming challenges |
| 20:11.15 | cbreak | check out project euler |
| 20:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | they aren't giving out blizzcon tickets though, I don't think |
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| 20:11.36 | cbreak | http://projecteuler.net/ |
| 20:11.54 | Matsy | I was doing those already |
| 20:12.11 | Matsy | However, these are for blizzcon tickets. ;p |
| 20:13.10 | cbreak | I only managed 19... so far... :) |
| 20:14.41 | foxlit | the wowace contests are weird |
| 20:15.10 | foxlit | There appears to be no goal beyond "do this" |
| 20:15.26 | foxlit | No requirement of elegance, no requirement of performance. |
| 20:15.55 | Matsy | Yeah, that's true |
| 20:16.01 | cbreak | do they accept the O(1) solution= |
| 20:16.03 | cbreak | ? |
| 20:16.11 | foxlit | O(1) is good. |
| 20:16.19 | cbreak | print(<hardcodedresult>) |
| 20:16.26 | cbreak | hasn't looked at the problems yet |
| 20:16.33 | foxlit | as long as that works for arbitrary inputs, you're all set <3 |
| 20:16.47 | cbreak | hmm... that's... tricky :) |
| 20:16.52 | Matsy | LOL |
| 20:16.54 | Coren{de} | trying to look at the contest, but the site doesn't load :| |
| 20:16.58 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 20:16.58 | Matsy | Coren. |
| 20:17.06 | Matsy | Let me put the contest on a pastebin |
| 20:17.07 | Matsy | I have it here |
| 20:17.34 | Coren{de} | www.wowace.com loads, beta.wowace.com does not... hm |
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| 20:19.22 | Matsy | http://pastebin.com/m7ea62a24 |
| 20:21.50 | Coren{de} | neat =) |
| 20:23.34 | Coren{de} | the sorting criteria isn't defined afaics? |
| 20:24.09 | foxlit | ascii, probably |
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| 20:26.25 | Matsy | the sorting is like the thing I'm the least worried about. |
| 20:26.40 | foxlit | The actual question seems boring. |
| 20:26.41 | Matsy | But, I'm progressing with the formula. |
| 20:26.46 | Matsy | What. |
| 20:26.47 | Matsy | Boring? |
| 20:26.55 | foxlit | Boring. |
| 20:26.56 | Matsy | How so? |
| 20:27.09 | Matsy | Boring as in, easy? |
| 20:27.20 | foxlit | As in not presenting any algorithmic challenge. |
| 20:27.32 | foxlit | They require you to output all the answers. You might as well just iterate over possible assignments. |
| 20:28.05 | Matsy | The best application will win. |
| 20:28.06 | Matsy | ;o |
| 20:28.18 | Matsy | So, I think performance counts too. |
| 20:28.42 | foxlit | I don't see any definition of what'll actually win |
| 20:28.43 | durcyn | entries are likely to be judged on style more than anything else |
| 20:29.37 | foxlit | i.e. there are no actual judging criteria listed anywhere that I can find. |
| 20:29.39 | durcyn | take a look at the example 'hello, world' contest |
| 20:30.38 | Dagmar | I think that perhaps since there's little reason to expect that more than one answer is possible for each set of arguments supplied, there's not a whole lot that actually matters |
| 20:31.38 | Matsy | I would believe some equations would have around, 12 possibilities. |
| 20:33.09 | Coren{de} | ABCD * 10 = ABCD0 has many more :> |
| 20:33.24 | Matsy | Indeed. |
| 20:33.45 | Matsy | Bleh, I'll mess with this some other time. |
| 20:33.53 | Matsy | Still have another 15 days |
| 20:34.02 | Coren{de} | I don't think there's much room for optimization either, it's just a fullblown iteration. |
| 20:34.23 | Matsy | Oh, I don't think so. |
| 20:34.27 | foxlit | You could play with attempting to set up the constraint relations |
| 20:34.40 | foxlit | But that's like shooting yourself in the foot because you thought walking was too boring before. |
| 20:34.41 | Matsy | I've come up with some math to calculate the possible numbers already |
| 20:34.47 | Coren{de} | Besides obvious prechecks, like foo+bar must be at least 3 chars wide |
| 20:35.18 | Matsy | Like, ABC + ABC = ABCD, there are a number of conclusions there already. |
| 20:35.28 | Matsy | A HAS to be 1. |
| 20:36.07 | Matsy | Writing the rest down here is a bit trivial |
| 20:36.12 | Matsy | Since it's all on some bigass paper. |
| 20:36.16 | Matsy | But, it's not that hard, really |
| 20:36.29 | Matsy | I'm worried about the * and / operators :< |
| 20:36.59 | Matsy | + and - is the same, so that's one thing less to worry about. |
| 20:37.10 | Coren{de} | I don't see any solution with A = 1 :p |
| 20:37.19 | Matsy | ... |
| 20:37.31 | Matsy | There shouldnt be. |
| 20:37.55 | Coren{de} | ABC + ABC = 2 * ABC = ABCD: if A == 1, then 2 * 1xx <= 398 |
| 20:38.38 | foxlit | I think the point was that |
| 20:38.48 | Matsy | I mean |
| 20:38.49 | foxlit | ABC + CDE = FEGH gives you that F=1 |
| 20:38.54 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 20:38.59 | foxlit | ignore the alphabet fail in there. |
| 20:39.11 | Matsy | Because X + Y can never be greater than 18. |
| 20:39.13 | Coren{de} | mkay |
| 20:39.18 | Matsy | So, the first digit is always 1. |
| 20:40.32 | Coren{de} | sure, and for *A + *B = *C, C must be either A+B or A+B-10 |
| 20:40.45 | Coren{de} | (where * = any random other stuff) |
| 20:41.19 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 20:41.46 | Coren{de} | but that's all corner cases IMHO; is the testing and applying the corner case extra code really faster than simply looping thru? |
| 20:41.46 | Matsy | There needs to be this modular approach to the problem |
| 20:41.55 | Matsy | Since you can have equations such as AASSHBHHSBAS + AHSBDJASDHB = AHSBDAJSHDB |
| 20:42.02 | Matsy | Yes. |
| 20:42.14 | Matsy | Mostly pointing at my previous statement ;p |
| 20:42.19 | Matsy | looping trough that |
| 20:42.23 | Matsy | I don't think my computer can do that |
| 20:42.38 | Coren{de} | sure it can |
| 20:42.46 | Matsy | Of course. |
| 20:42.52 | Matsy | I'll just need to have it run for a looong time |
| 20:42.54 | WhiteWolf | you're just talking about a significantly large O() |
| 20:43.50 | foxlit | Meh |
| 20:43.51 | Coren{de} | you can't assign more than 10 numbers, as each is distinct, so at most there are 10^10 runs, that's 10 Giga-calcs, so? ~ |
| 20:44.13 | Matsy | Hmm |
| 20:44.15 | Matsy | You're right about that. |
| 20:44.22 | Matsy | I didn't think about that |
| 20:44.25 | Matsy | That really simplifies the problem |
| 20:44.32 | Matsy | If, A = 1, B can't be 1. |
| 20:44.48 | Matsy | Bwah. |
| 20:44.49 | Coren{de} | ya, it's even 10! :) |
| 20:46.19 | Coren{de} | (10! = 3628800, according to this calculator here...) |
| 20:46.43 | WhiteWolf | luckily that's less than INT_MAX on most platforms |
| 20:47.01 | WhiteWolf | so you may be able to acomplish it with a single traced loop |
| 20:47.03 | cbreak | lua doesn't use int |
| 20:47.15 | WhiteWolf | the challenge didn't say anything about language |
| 20:47.30 | cbreak | then you could just use C with some infinite precision integer |
| 20:47.51 | WhiteWolf | unnecessary for the problem |
| 20:48.00 | foxlit | WhiteWolf: "Your submission must run in Lua 5.1.4, in a standalone environment (not in WoW)." |
| 20:48.10 | Matsy | It has to be written in Lua. |
| 20:48.16 | WhiteWolf | whoops |
| 20:48.22 | WhiteWolf | the pastebin you had didn't have that |
| 20:48.28 | foxlit | Nah, write it in befunge-98 |
| 20:48.38 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 20:48.40 | Matsy | Haha, sorry |
| 20:48.45 | foxlit | Then abuse someone's lua interpreter for that. |
| 20:48.46 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 20:48.56 | Matsy | I'd love to have written this in F#. |
| 20:49.02 | Matsy | Would've been a fair bit easier. |
| 20:49.15 | foxlit | moo? |
| 20:49.18 | Coren{de} | the other two contests list lua explicitly as requirement, so one might conclude that the third be in lua as well :> |
| 20:49.20 | Matsy | moo? |
| 20:49.28 | foxlit | Why so, Matsy? |
| 20:49.37 | WhiteWolf | mmm, don't have too much of the backscroll in my bnc |
| 20:49.38 | Matsy | I'm experienced in F#. |
| 20:49.39 | WhiteWolf | didn't see the others |
| 20:49.46 | Coren{de} | moo is using the wrong expressions imho :D |
| 20:49.51 | Matsy | And. |
| 20:50.00 | Matsy | I don't know LUA at all. |
| 20:50.07 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 20:50.10 | krka | Matsy: Whenever someone writes Lua in upper case, god kills a kitten. :( :-P |
| 20:50.14 | Matsy | *Lua. |
| 20:50.15 | Matsy | :( |
| 20:50.18 | Thunder_Child | damit krka...you were late |
| 20:50.24 | Matsy | See! |
| 20:50.26 | foxlit | always. |
| 20:50.29 | Matsy | Lua is nothing for me |
| 20:50.31 | foxlit | That trigger has a delay |
| 20:50.31 | Matsy | :( |
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| 20:50.37 | Thunder_Child | fail delay |
| 20:50.42 | Thunder_Child | then it seems like a real person |
| 20:50.54 | foxlit | Nobody sane would write :( :-P |
| 20:50.55 | Matsy | Since this problem is recursion madness. |
| 20:51.40 | Coren{de} | recursion? 10 nested loops |
| 20:51.45 | cbreak | that is easy in prolog. |
| 20:51.45 | Matsy | ... |
| 20:51.47 | Matsy | What. |
| 20:51.51 | Matsy | No :( |
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| 20:52.18 | Coren{de} | start with an array that keeps the assignments of numbers, and in the loops skip taken values |
| 20:52.18 | Thunder_Child | the people around here would foxlit |
| 20:52.43 | Matsy | I'd have a function that'd be: |
| 20:52.45 | Coren{de} | (Yeah, I'm lazy) |
| 20:52.51 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: their sanity is uncertain. |
| 20:52.56 | Matsy | doAdd(left,right,answer) |
| 20:53.04 | Matsy | And it calls doAdd every time it solves a new digit. |
| 20:53.16 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, ....yes....that is the people around here |
| 20:53.16 | Matsy | And then returns the value whenever it has finished 'em all. |
| 20:53.35 | Matsy | I can't imagine doing this in a loop. |
| 20:53.41 | Matsy | This problem is just BEGGING for recursion. |
| 20:53.42 | AnduinLothar | easiest way to tell if you (or a unit) is using a vehicle |
| 20:53.43 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 20:53.55 | foxlit | [target=unit,nohelp,noharm] |
| 20:54.10 | AnduinLothar | ~UnitControllingVehicle |
| 20:54.15 | foxlit | nohelp because units in vehicles are shielded. |
| 20:54.15 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitInVehicle |
| 20:54.21 | foxlit | noharm because they might be MCed |
| 20:54.23 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 20:54.28 | AnduinLothar | there's 2, eh |
| 20:54.59 | Coren{de} | UnitHasVehicleUI might catch both cases? |
| 20:55.16 | AnduinLothar | that seems to be blizzard internal |
| 20:55.32 | AnduinLothar | or not |
| 20:55.34 | Coren{de} | UnitHasVehicleUI(unit) |
| 20:55.37 | foxlit | I can't imagine why your client might tell you that someone else has VehicleUI |
| 20:55.40 | Matsy | target=vehicle]? |
| 20:55.44 | Matsy | [ |
| 20:55.47 | AnduinLothar | that is for vehicle or weapon, hmm... |
| 20:56.17 | AnduinLothar | "Returns false for passengers riding in but not controlling part of a vehicle" |
| 20:56.51 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 20:57.05 | Dagmar | i.e., "fodder" |
| 20:57.15 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 20:57.28 | AnduinLothar | trying to decide what i want the behavior to be for my diablo orbs |
| 20:58.02 | AnduinLothar | if i use UnitHasVehicleUI then it wont change if youre just riding... |
| 20:58.06 | AnduinLothar | probably ideal |
| 20:59.38 | AnduinLothar | hmmm... how do you get the vehical unit of another unit? |
| 20:59.52 | AnduinLothar | like... targetvehicle |
| 21:00.02 | foxlit | You don't. |
| 21:00.11 | foxlit | Though it does appear as their pet |
| 21:00.20 | AnduinLothar | so... targetpet? |
| 21:00.33 | foxlit | Assuming that's a valid unit, sure |
| 21:01.07 | foxlit | (I don't think it is, however) |
| 21:01.25 | foxlit | In fact, I'm standing next to a hunter with a pet, and /target targetpet does nothing |
| 21:01.39 | AnduinLothar | really? it used to... |
| 21:01.53 | NightHawkTheSan1 | it worked fine for me foxlit |
| 21:01.55 | AnduinLothar | i know party1pet works or partypet1 |
| 21:02.13 | foxlit | The said hunter isn't in my group |
| 21:02.29 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId doesn't list targetpet as valid combo |
| 21:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId#Targets |
| 21:04.20 | AnduinLothar | hmmm so the chaining only works for target |
| 21:04.33 | AnduinLothar | and the pet suffix is just a group member thing |
| 21:05.05 | AnduinLothar | interesting... i thought you'd be able to target your target's pet at least |
| 21:06.05 | AnduinLothar | so... how do group vehicel targetting work? |
| 21:06.12 | AnduinLothar | party1vehicle? |
| 21:06.16 | foxlit | partpet1 |
| 21:06.26 | AnduinLothar | ahh |
| 21:06.26 | foxlit | There are no vehicle-specific units beyond your own vehicle |
| 21:06.36 | AnduinLothar | messy |
| 21:09.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | 'targetpet' is -definitely- working for me, but i'm using a warlock in my raid, so *shrug* |
| 21:10.33 | foxlit | What's the pet's name? |
| 21:11.11 | NightHawkTheSan1 | 'Aztal' :P |
| 21:11.23 | AnduinLothar | there we go... |
| 21:11.25 | AnduinLothar | if UnitHasVehicleUI(unit) then unit = unit.."pet" end |
| 21:11.26 | Coren{de} | I guess it would be quite powerful in Arena if you could use it on targets outside your group... /taunt [target=focuspet] ftw. :D |
| 21:11.52 | foxlit | AL: I'm not sure, but I don't think party1pet is a valid version of partypet1 |
| 21:12.23 | foxlit | Then again, I haven't messed with pet units for ages -- last time was probably around 1.12 |
| 21:13.37 | Shadowed | party1pet is valid |
| 21:14.11 | Shadowed | that or the secure templates are swapping it to partypet1 and I'm not aware, but party1pet has worked fine for me |
| 21:14.20 | Coren{de} | some gsub might work... ([alphachars]*)([numbers]*) -> (1)pet(2)... or somesuch :D |
| 21:16.50 | AnduinLothar | party1pet is the original way, then they added partypet1 for less concatonation |
| 21:17.07 | AnduinLothar | it's so you can concat unit.."pet" |
| 21:17.26 | AnduinLothar | without having to parse out the # |
| 21:17.42 | Shadowed | just a note if you're trying to detect it using UNIT_PET as well AnduinLothar, but it's the owners event that fires not the pet one when they enter a vehicle |
| 21:17.44 | Shadowed | party1 not party1pet etc |
| 21:18.27 | AnduinLothar | i've got it workign now |
| 21:20.27 | Coren{de} | mh, the wowace contest gets interesting... one can back out of the ticket and get a free premium instead :) (ticket is worth zilch as a European) |
| 21:20.44 | foxlit | But if you're an author, you already have premium |
| 21:20.55 | foxlit | They have a very mild lower download requirement |
| 21:21.12 | Coren{de} | I only have my addon on WoWI |
| 21:24.02 | AnduinLothar | so i take it there's still no way for unit frames to switch to vehicle frame when you get in one? |
| 21:24.15 | foxlit | AnduinLothar: there is |
| 21:24.45 | AnduinLothar | hmm? |
| 21:24.50 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.33 | foxlit | Generally speaking, you can use securehandlers and state drivers to swap the unit attribute, even in combat. |
| 21:25.35 | AnduinLothar | that looks painful |
| 21:26.17 | foxlit | For two reasons: I have a relatively odd unit frame implementation that caches the units in something other than attributes |
| 21:26.26 | foxlit | And most of this was coding before thinking |
| 21:26.31 | Coren{de} | newtable() is that restricted table creation thingy? |
| 21:26.37 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 21:26.39 | foxlit | yes, since you can't just write {} |
| 21:26.40 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 21:26.45 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 21:27.23 | foxlit | But the point is, I get away with XManager:Add(frame); in actual UF code, and it managed the whole vehicle/player transition for player, party and raid. |
| 21:27.44 | foxlit | [also hides their pets while they're in a vehicle] |
| 21:27.58 | Shadowed | er |
| 21:28.00 | Shadowed | that seems absurdly complicated |
| 21:28.04 | AnduinLothar | WTB simplified version |
| 21:28.53 | Shadowed | We can call SetAttribute in secure headers in combat right? |
| 21:28.58 | Shadowed | as long as it's not one of the _blah ones |
| 21:29.05 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 21:29.22 | AnduinLothar | you can? |
| 21:29.26 | Shadowed | so, why not use a new ShowHide template with the unitid vehicle? When it's shown, you change the players frame to use the vehicle unit |
| 21:29.39 | Shadowed | when it's hidden you swap it back to the player unit |
| 21:30.22 | Shadowed | If you need to do any special code in your player frames, you can add an onstate-unit or whatever it is to monitor for the unit changing |
| 21:30.23 | foxlit | Shadowed: if you're asking me why I use the pastey rather than what you're suggesting, it's because the pastey has a larger domain. |
| 21:30.29 | Matsy | Okay |
| 21:30.30 | Matsy | personal question |
| 21:30.34 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 21:30.40 | Matsy | What to do. Some random girl on the internet says she loves me. |
| 21:30.43 | Shadowed | Well theres a way of doing a simplified method AnduinLothar :p |
| 21:30.49 | Shadowed | going to play with that for SUF actually |
| 21:30.50 | Matsy | And she says she'd never stop loving me |
| 21:30.57 | Matsy | When I talked with her for a week :< |
| 21:31.00 | Matsy | What to tell her. |
| 21:31.05 | Shadowed | run |
| 21:31.06 | Shadowed | run fast |
| 21:31.10 | Matsy | Srsly! |
| 21:31.35 | Coren{de} | People who use "never" in sentences about emotions are dangerous people. |
| 21:31.44 | Kirov | Has she seen a picture of you? |
| 21:31.44 | foxlit | If you only care about remapping players to their vehicles, this actually becomes simple. |
| 21:31.52 | Matsy | She has seen me on the webcam. |
| 21:31.57 | Matsy | , actually. |
| 21:32.00 | Matsy | I thought we'd just be friends and all |
| 21:32.01 | Kirov | Well then, that's your fault. |
| 21:32.01 | Matsy | But wtff. |
| 21:32.04 | Matsy | Complicated :( |
| 21:32.15 | Matsy | I'm not even cute! |
| 21:32.30 | Kirov | Yes, but you're talking to her, and no one else is. |
| 21:32.43 | Kirov | That or she's fucking with you. |
| 21:32.55 | Coren{de} | I'd have guessed the fucking-choice... |
| 21:32.56 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 21:33.29 | Coren{de} | Crazy or messing with you, you pick! ;) |
| 21:33.42 | Matsy | Crazy. |
| 21:33.44 | Matsy | Definitely crazy. |
| 21:34.25 | Coren{de} | "Messing with you" were more fun, you could counter-mess with her... :D |
| 21:35.14 | Matsy | I'll never mess with anyone. |
| 21:35.25 | Coren{de} | Never say never. |
| 21:35.32 | Matsy | Oh yeah |
| 21:35.33 | Matsy | Never was creepy. |
| 21:36.22 | Matsy | ... wait |
| 21:36.27 | Matsy | I actually solved this. |
| 21:36.52 | Matsy | This feels great |
| 21:38.45 | Coren{de} | A former colleague of mine said, given how much fun programming often can be, we're kinda paid for having fun, not for working... :D |
| 21:39.06 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 21:39.08 | Matsy | I have the same thing |
| 21:39.11 | Matsy | I prefer going to work |
| 21:39.14 | Matsy | Than staying at home |
| 21:39.28 | Matsy | Because at work, I have great projects |
| 21:39.30 | Matsy | And new technologies |
| 21:39.41 | Matsy | And at home, all I have are these stupid schools I have to work for ;p |
| 21:44.42 | Aelobin | is anyone on here an admin of wowace? |
| 21:45.11 | Cairenn | a number of them - what do you need? |
| 21:45.26 | Aelobin | its just a question about that alphabet maths contest :P |
| 21:46.05 | Aelobin | it says that numbers may be mixed into the input, so if 6 was anywhere in the input does that mean it isn't represented as a letter anywhere else? |
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| 21:46.19 | Matsy | Yes. |
| 21:46.28 | Matsy | oh |
| 21:46.30 | Matsy | I'm not an admin :< |
| 21:46.30 | Aelobin | ok ty, that's unclear on the instructions :p |
| 21:46.45 | Aelobin | hmmm |
| 21:46.50 | Matsy | Nono |
| 21:46.52 | Matsy | Don't take my word. |
| 21:46.56 | Matsy | I'm just solving it too ;p |
| 21:47.00 | Matsy | And, that's what I'm presuming. |
| 21:47.03 | Aelobin | :P |
| 21:47.08 | Aelobin | or hoping? :P |
| 21:47.12 | Matsy | Not really |
| 21:47.15 | Matsy | it doesn't matter for my approach. |
| 21:47.27 | Matsy | As of yet, my approach is pretty much modular. |
| 21:47.37 | Aelobin | my approach is "stare at it until i cba" |
| 21:47.45 | Matsy | Stare? |
| 21:47.51 | Aelobin | well, think it over :P |
| 21:47.52 | Matsy | You really need to get some pencil and paper |
| 21:48.01 | Matsy | It isn't easy, at all ;p |
| 21:48.09 | Coren{de} | I wouldn't assume that 6 anywhere as number means no char can be substituted to 6 as well |
| 21:48.16 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 21:48.20 | Matsy | It'd make total sense. |
| 21:48.32 | Matsy | And, it wouldn't ruin my recursive functions either. |
| 21:49.01 | Coren{de} | ok, that was double negation which often expresses not what I think it does... so: |
| 21:49.16 | Matsy | Coren |
| 21:49.19 | Coren{de} | I would assume that 6 anywhere as number does not prohibit that a char can be substituted to 6 as well |
| 21:49.20 | Matsy | I think it was pretty clear, no? |
| 21:49.40 | Matsy | What. |
| 21:49.44 | Aelobin | see what i mean when i said it's unclear? :P |
| 21:49.46 | Matsy | That's the complete opposite. |
| 21:49.58 | Aelobin | therefore: gogo admin confirmation :p |
| 21:50.10 | AnduinLothar | self:SetAttribute("unit", unit) doesn't work in combat |
| 21:50.19 | Matsy | Okay, wowace channel it is. |
| 21:50.22 | AnduinLothar | do i have to do it in the protected context? |
| 21:50.27 | Aelobin | didnt realise there was a channel :P |
| 21:51.17 | Coren{de} | << I wouldn't assume that "6 anywhere as number" means: "no char can be substituted to 6 as well" >> is the same as << I would assume that "6 anywhere as number" does not prohibit "a char can be substituted to 6 as well" >> in my mind :) |
| 21:51.27 | Matsy | ... |
| 21:51.28 | Matsy | what |
| 21:51.29 | Matsy | Okay |
| 21:51.34 | Matsy | Lets sum that up |
| 21:51.42 | Coren{de} | A6: A can be 6 IMHO |
| 21:51.53 | Matsy | If 6 is prescribed number in the equation, do YOU think that another letter can be 6 too? |
| 21:52.20 | Aelobin | on first read i presumed 6 meant no other letters can be 6, but on second read of the instructions i thought the opposite |
| 21:52.24 | Matsy | oh, your statement answers that. |
| 21:53.02 | foxlit | "AnduinLothar: do i have to do it in the protected context?" yes |
| 21:54.09 | Coren{de} | as I said, double negation can be fun :> |
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| 21:54.42 | Kalroth | if ((not true) and false) { } |
| 21:58.03 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.12 | foxlit | XManager:SetFrameRef("add", unitFrame) |
| 21:58.53 | foxlit | And it'll automatically change players -> vehicles, vehicle pets -> none |
| 22:00.25 | foxlit | Did a bunch of sneaky updates, didn't actually test. |
| 22:00.37 | Coren{de} | Tehehe, didn't notice this logic-typo: "A leading digit in a term will not map to 0." -- Sure it doesn't, as we map letters... |
| 22:02.46 | AnduinLothar | that's still way more complicated than i want it to be >.< |
| 22:03.30 | AnduinLothar | and i have no idea how it works |
| 22:04.42 | Coren{de} | black magic! |
| 22:05.28 | AnduinLothar | yeah, now i remember why i stopped making complex unit based addons |
| 22:05.47 | AnduinLothar | evn simple stuff is retartedly complex now |
| 22:05.53 | Coren{de} | no more cats to sacrifice? |
| 22:07.00 | AnduinLothar | i just want to change my health orb to target the vehicle when i'm in one.. why does that require more than 5 lines of code |
| 22:07.27 | Coren{de} | because it also works for party/raid |
| 22:07.39 | AnduinLothar | yeah, dont need that |
| 22:07.43 | foxlit | Because it works for any unit frame. |
| 22:08.09 | foxlit | You can do what you want in two lines |
| 22:08.19 | foxlit | and by modifying a third |
| 22:08.27 | AnduinLothar | how? |
| 22:09.03 | foxlit | inherit from a securehandler template that provides the onattribute/onstate snippet |
| 22:09.11 | foxlit | Set a handler for that snippet (one line) |
| 22:09.21 | AnduinLothar | already inheriting SecureUnitButtonTemplate |
| 22:09.22 | foxlit | Register a state driver for the frame (one line) |
| 22:09.28 | Thunder_Child | so is the 2AP per Str an aproximate? |
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| 22:09.34 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 22:09.51 | foxlit | I don't think they intersect, so you can probably inherit both |
| 22:09.53 | Coren{de} | TC, which class? |
| 22:10.06 | Guest71090 | no ScytheBlade1 |
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| 22:11.03 | AnduinLothar | onstate snippet? |
| 22:11.32 | foxlit | inherit from SecureHandlerStateTemplate |
| 22:11.52 | foxlit | :SetAttribute("_onstate-someidentifier", [[ self:SetAttribute("unit", value); ]]) |
| 22:13.00 | foxlit | Then RegisterStateDriver(frame, "[target=player,help][target=pet,noexists] player; [target=player,nohelp] vehicle"); |
| 22:13.09 | foxlit | Then RegisterStateDriver(frame, "[target=player,help][target=pet,noexists] player; [target=player,nohelp] vehicle", "someidentifier"); |
| 22:13.36 | foxlit | Actually, since you only want to bother with the player, just replace the conditional with |
| 22:13.45 | foxlit | "[target=vehicle,exists] vehicle; player" |
| 22:14.59 | Thunder_Child | Coren{de}, pally |
| 22:15.32 | Thunder_Child | i have 83 str, and it says that it gives me 146 AP |
| 22:15.45 | Thunder_Child | this is not 2x |
| 22:16.05 | Thunder_Child | so i is confused |
| 22:19.43 | Shirik | tackles foxlit |
| 22:20.12 | Kalroth | Thunder_Child: 83 str is with buffs and talents? |
| 22:20.21 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 22:20.21 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth, yes |
| 22:20.26 | AnduinLothar | not working foxlit |
| 22:20.30 | AnduinLothar | sec |
| 22:20.40 | Coren{de} | according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Attack_Power, the pala formula is (Strength x 2) + (Character Level x 3) - 20 |
| 22:20.42 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth, it's just what it says on the paperdoll frame |
| 22:21.01 | Kalroth | what says 146 then? same frame? |
| 22:21.04 | foxlit | AL: my first check when debugging it would be to make sure that SecureCmdOptionParse parses your conditional correctly |
| 22:21.05 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 22:21.43 | Thunder_Child | Coren{de}, that cant be right...it would give me even more than |
| 22:21.49 | Thunder_Child | what i should have |
| 22:21.57 | Kalroth | it's probably not including some buff then |
| 22:22.10 | AnduinLothar | foxlit: it is |
| 22:22.11 | Coren{de} | yeah... without CharLevel * 3 it would fit though |
| 22:22.25 | Kalroth | 146 ap = 73 str, not 83 str |
| 22:22.39 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth, well, no str buff, just talent |
| 22:22.43 | Thunder_Child | and items |
| 22:22.53 | foxlit | Then do a :HookScript("OnAttributeChanged", print) on your unit frame |
| 22:23.03 | Coren{de} | TC, take of the items and give the str/ap nekkid? |
| 22:23.05 | Kalroth | it's not including Divine Strength, Thunder_Child |
| 22:23.13 | foxlit | To check that the state driver delivers the notifications |
| 22:23.22 | Coren{de} | s/of/off/ |
| 22:23.30 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth, ah..that would be it then...though i am not sure why it doesnt include that |
| 22:23.31 | |pez| | I should proooobably start backing up my stuff so I can install the Win7 RC instead of keeping the beta now that it's gonna go reboot on me every now and then.. |
| 22:23.36 | Kalroth | 73 Str = 146 AP and 73 Str with 15% buff = 83 Str |
| 22:23.47 | Kalroth | Most likely a display error |
| 22:24.09 | AnduinLothar | it's not being triggered when i get in a vehicle, foxlit |
| 22:24.16 | AnduinLothar | do i need to trigger it? |
| 22:24.20 | AnduinLothar | or how do it |
| 22:24.24 | AnduinLothar | do i* |
| 22:24.52 | AnduinLothar | oh i think i know, sec |
| 22:24.53 | foxlit | The RegisterStateDriver function should cause some secure element of blizzard code to set an attribute on your frame when the conditional changes |
| 22:25.17 | AnduinLothar | oh um |
| 22:29.52 | AnduinLothar | how do i check the current value of a stateid? |
| 22:30.20 | foxlit | frame:GetAttribute("state-stateid") |
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| 22:31.25 | AnduinLothar | yeah, it's not being set, sec |
| 22:32.23 | AnduinLothar | http://pastey.net/115133 |
| 22:32.48 | AnduinLothar | f:GetAttribute("state-unitupdate") always returns nil |
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| 22:33.50 | foxlit | And no OnAttributeChanged things fire? |
| 22:33.55 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 22:36.25 | foxlit | That is seriously strange |
| 22:36.54 | foxlit | It should actually set the attribute immediately upon calling RegisterStateDriver |
| 22:39.02 | foxlit | ah |
| 22:39.07 | foxlit | Sorry, I gave you the wrong argument order |
| 22:39.33 | foxlit | It's actually (frame, stateid, conditional), not (frame, conditional, stateid) |
| 22:39.52 | AnduinLothar | that makes more sense |
| 22:40.11 | AnduinLothar | fnny it didn't complain tho |
| 22:40.20 | foxlit | There's a silent fail |
| 22:40.34 | AnduinLothar | there's a lot of those |
| 22:40.47 | foxlit | Or, well, a silent non-fail |
| 22:41.17 | foxlit | You actually registered to get notified for the [target=vehicle,exists] stateid, using "vehicle; player unitupdate" conditional |
| 22:42.04 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 22:42.11 | foxlit | And you were not getting anything printed since HookScript is after the only SetAttribute call the state driver would do |
| 22:42.31 | AnduinLothar | swapped the params, still nil |
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| 22:44.34 | AnduinLothar | getting OnAttributeChanged prints tho... |
| 22:45.24 | AnduinLothar | table: 0x2b1f03e0 unit nil |
| 22:45.24 | AnduinLothar | table: 0x2b1f03e0 state-unitupdate vehicle |
| 22:45.37 | foxlit | yeah, okay |
| 22:45.46 | foxlit | Your next step is the wrong argument list for the snippet |
| 22:45.57 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 22:45.59 | foxlit | It actually fires with (self, stateid, newstate) |
| 22:46.07 | foxlit | not (self, name, value) |
| 22:46.10 | AnduinLothar | oh, so not value |
| 22:46.21 | foxlit | but newstate |
| 22:47.53 | AnduinLothar | yay it updates |
| 22:48.37 | foxlit | Could add the example to http://www.wowwiki.com/SecureHandlers -- that page needs some love |
| 22:48.57 | AnduinLothar | thanks a lot |
| 22:49.13 | AnduinLothar | it's like voodoo coming at it from scratch |
| 22:51.37 | foxlit | You're right -- there's a lot of architectural stuff that isn't obvious. |
| 22:55.31 | AnduinLothar | it's way more complicated than the event system |
| 22:56.13 | AnduinLothar | i kinda wish it overrided the event system |
| 22:56.50 | AnduinLothar | like when calling a secure event limit the allowable scope and methods to a whitelist |
| 22:59.19 | Shirik | Anyone here know how to use perforce by any chance? I'm trying to figure out how to rename a file |
| 22:59.23 | foxlit | You'd have a very non-obvious scoping policy |
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| 22:59.32 | Shirik | without losing its history, of course |
| 23:00.14 | AnduinLothar | it's already nonobvious foxlit |
| 23:00.34 | AnduinLothar | you could jsut say "Certain events get called ina sacured scope" |
| 23:00.40 | AnduinLothar | in a secured* |
| 23:00.53 | foxlit | Nah, it's fairly explicit: code that runs in a restricted environment can only access its own environment + method whitelist. |
| 23:00.55 | Shirik | in sacred scope |
| 23:01.35 | foxlit | You'd want to flag the handler/event combination as secure, not events. |
| 23:01.39 | AnduinLothar | its so arcane tho... |
| 23:02.01 | foxlit | (And there's like a thousand different events that you have to take a stance on allowing/denying secure access to) |
| 23:02.29 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 23:02.42 | foxlit | What would be a "secure" event? |
| 23:02.46 | AnduinLothar | none secure unless int eh whitelist? |
| 23:03.06 | foxlit | How would you build the white list? |
| 23:03.19 | AnduinLothar | a secure table? |
| 23:03.40 | foxlit | No, as in just figuring out which events (out of the many that WoW fires) would be secure, and which would not. |
| 23:04.00 | AnduinLothar | if SecureEvents[event] then ? |
| 23:04.39 | foxlit | Someone, would have to, at some point, decide what's in SecureEvents and what's not. |
| 23:04.53 | AnduinLothar | right... it'd jsut be new ones added |
| 23:05.06 | AnduinLothar | liek you could make your own |
| 23:05.44 | AnduinLothar | frame:RegisterEvent("EVENT_NAME", "[target=vehicle,exists] vehicle; player") |
| 23:05.55 | foxlit | I agree with the current implementation being arcane -- my personal opinion is that 3.0 made our code more readable at the expense of making their code less concentrated, so there's a million and one different pieces to keep track of if you want to figure out how it actually works from their code. |
| 23:06.55 | nevcairiel | I love the new implementation, using Lua code instead of using the arcane 2.x headers and their crazy stack and state system .. much better |
| 23:07.28 | AnduinLothar | sure it IS an improvement. i'm just saying it could be way more intuitive if it wer eliek a pre-existing system |
| 23:07.40 | AnduinLothar | consistancy yo |
| 23:07.42 | nevcairiel | Its just Lua code |
| 23:07.57 | nevcairiel | You use macro conditionals to trigger Lua snippets |
| 23:08.14 | AnduinLothar | yes, the onstate is just lua code |
| 23:08.22 | nevcairiel | Also Iriel wrote a nice guide =) |
| 23:08.26 | AnduinLothar | i'm talkign about the framework, the archetecture |
| 23:09.02 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i've read his guide. a few versions of it cause i helped him proof it lol, and it still didn't make sense how to USE it |
| 23:09.24 | nevcairiel | It lacked some examples |
| 23:09.27 | AnduinLothar | the guide is more how it's implemented and how it works, ratehr than how to USE it |
| 23:10.03 | AnduinLothar | it's a nice robust system, just very hard to learn |
| 23:10.03 | Industrial | How do I remove the first element of a table if it's keys aren't in line, eg a={[100]='foo',[200]='bar'} |
| 23:10.10 | Industrial | I guess I could loop, nil it and return after 1 pass |
| 23:10.13 | Industrial | or reverse it, pop and reverse again (haha no :|) |
| 23:10.24 | Shirik | Industrial: There is no meaning to "first" in that situation |
| 23:10.38 | Industrial | really? aw |
| 23:10.54 | foxlit | Shirik: arbitrary definition: smallest numeric key |
| 23:10.55 | nevcairiel | Shirik: well if its guaranteed to be int keys, you can get the keys, sort em, and have fun with em =) |
| 23:10.57 | Shirik | ipairs will say there's nothing in it, and the order of pairs is not guaranteed |
| 23:11.18 | Shirik | personally I'm of the opinion that if that matters, the table's probably structured wrong |
| 23:12.00 | nevcairiel | Lua misses a table.keys function, unless it evaded me always and is actually there =P |
| 23:12.05 | foxlit | "the guide is more how it's implemented and how it works, ratehr than how to USE it" << dunno, I'd say it describes the available functionality |
| 23:12.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel: It's called pairs() ^_^ |
| 23:12.35 | foxlit | Not much implementation details |
| 23:12.38 | nevcairiel | that doesnt give me a handy new array-table with all keys in it |
| 23:12.44 | Shirik | sure it does |
| 23:12.52 | AnduinLothar | i'm not dissing his guide. i jsut ned more pointed examples :) |
| 23:13.04 | foxlit | Start a wiki page :) |
| 23:13.10 | nevcairiel | or wait for cladys new book |
| 23:13.18 | nevcairiel | or rather, second edition of the old book |
| 23:13.20 | Shirik | lua> t = {a = 1, b=2, c=3}; t2 = {} for k,v in pairs(t) do table.insert(t2, k) end |
| 23:13.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 23:13.28 | Shirik | (in t2) |
| 23:13.44 | nevcairiel | i'm totally aware that i can do it in a loop |
| 23:13.44 | nevcairiel | =P |
| 23:13.52 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:14.13 | Shirik | So I've been using C# for the last 2 weeks or so |
| 23:14.21 | Shirik | I have determined C# has a hell of a lot of keywords |
| 23:14.29 | nevcairiel | so it does |
| 23:14.39 | Shirik | I keep coming across "hm, I wonder if I can do this?" go look it up and they're like "oh, use this keyword!" |
| 23:14.45 | Shirik | And they're like all 2 letters |
| 23:14.48 | nevcairiel | its a huge language |
| 23:14.51 | Shirik | "is" "as" "in" -- all keywords |
| 23:15.06 | Shirik | const AND readonly |
| 23:15.21 | Shirik | It's a neat language I just fear it might be a bit too complex for itself |
| 23:15.30 | Shirik | for example, I see absolutely no reason for a "foreach" keyword |
| 23:15.51 | nevcairiel | you prefer the java approach of both loops using a simple "for" ? |
| 23:15.59 | Shirik | why not |
| 23:16.16 | Shirik | there's no ambiguity imo |
| 23:16.27 | Shirik | technical or otherwise |
| 23:16.35 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i'm not against either |
| 23:16.40 | nevcairiel | just some decision the devs made |
| 23:16.56 | AnduinLothar | yeah i prefer overloaded keywords too |
| 23:17.04 | Shirik | there's also a lot of strange things in the language |
| 23:17.09 | Shirik | like you can't have case fall-through |
| 23:17.14 | Shirik | but break is required |
| 23:17.53 | foxlit | clearly they meant to do case foo { } |
| 23:18.17 | nevcairiel | you can't have case fall-through at all? |
| 23:18.29 | nevcairiel | i use that sometimes |
| 23:18.29 | Shirik | you can have it only if there is no code between the two case statements |
| 23:18.35 | AnduinLothar | ok now i just need PerfectRaid to correctly target vehicles.... |
| 23:18.43 | nevcairiel | i still used that sometimes |
| 23:18.55 | nevcairiel | like b does what a did, but a bit more |
| 23:18.56 | foxlit | That's where my original chunk of code comes in. |
| 23:18.59 | Shirik | sure, but what about the situation where you actually want case fallthrough |
| 23:19.03 | Shirik | right |
| 23:19.07 | Shirik | you can't do that |
| 23:19.07 | AnduinLothar | foxlit: can you linkt hat any unit code again? |
| 23:19.11 | Shirik | it yells at you |
| 23:19.14 | foxlit | (Assuming PerfectRaid works if you just swap its unit attribute) |
| 23:19.25 | nevcairiel | I had java yell at me, but you can disable the yell with a @ statement of some sort |
| 23:19.26 | AnduinLothar | it should |
| 23:19.30 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.38 | Shirik | It's fine as a warning, nevcairiel |
| 23:19.43 | AnduinLothar | thanks, i may fix that and give clad an update |
| 23:19.45 | Shirik | not as an error |
| 23:20.05 | AnduinLothar | maybe Maly healing hard when you cant target people or see hp |
| 23:20.08 | nevcairiel | weird decisions there |
| 23:20.10 | AnduinLothar | makes* |
| 23:20.32 | Shirik | error CS0163: Control cannot fall through from one case label ('case 1:') to another |
| 23:21.02 | nevcairiel | well then there are other languages that don't have case at all |
| 23:21.08 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 23:21.16 | Shirik | the lack of tail calls is what really annoys me :) |
| 23:21.27 | Shirik | Especially because .NET has a tailcall bytecode |
| 23:21.29 | foxlit | I'm not sure it's broken :) |
| 23:21.44 | Shirik | CLR* |
| 23:22.51 | Shirik | however, it also did a lot of things right |
| 23:23.02 | Shirik | like the way generics are implemented |
| 23:23.25 | AnduinLothar | can you instantiate from a generic? |
| 23:23.34 | AnduinLothar | that's somethign that bugs me about java |
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| 23:23.49 | Shirik | Yes! That's one of the coolest parts! I had to do that and it let me |
| 23:23.53 | Shirik | you just need to give it some extra info |
| 23:23.58 | Shirik | Like if you do |
| 23:24.08 | tekkub | hey shirik, you got plans to do anything with favorites in the minionion? |
| 23:24.13 | Shirik | T foo<T>() { return new T(); } |
| 23:24.18 | Shirik | that's not directly legal |
| 23:24.19 | Shirik | but you can do |
| 23:24.29 | Shirik | T foo<T>() where T:new() { return new T(); } |
| 23:24.31 | Shirik | and that's legal |
| 23:24.43 | tekkub | it'd be cool if you could favorite everything you've got installed, and give a "Install all favorites" option for users setting up a fresh install |
| 23:24.44 | Shirik | the compiler enforces that T must have a constructor that takes no parameters |
| 23:25.08 | Shirik | tekkub: Down the road, yes |
| 23:25.15 | tekkub | coooo |
| 23:25.36 | Shirik | or, what I've been using lately |
| 23:25.39 | Shirik | is something closer to |
| 23:25.50 | Shirik | T foo<T>() where T:Foo,new() { ... } |
| 23:26.02 | Shirik | which is sorta like Java's <T extends Foo> |
| 23:26.19 | Shirik | er, <? extends Foo> |
| 23:27.43 | Shirik | The #1 thing I miss though is #define and conditionals :/ |
| 23:28.10 | foxlit | Oh wow, I'm a lunatic |
| 23:28.36 | Shirik | yes, yes you are |
| 23:28.50 | foxlit | Looking closer at the generic remapping implementation, it doesn't actually need half the restricted environment juggling |
| 23:31.00 | AnduinLothar | so um foxlit |
| 23:31.08 | AnduinLothar | you knwo you dont need all that complicated parsing |
| 23:31.49 | AnduinLothar | you can just do unit.."pet" cant u? |
| 23:31.49 | foxlit | You can chop further things of if you don't want to hide the pet frames when they contain vehicles. |
| 23:31.55 | foxlit | I don't think you can |
| 23:32.08 | Shirik | no |
| 23:32.14 | Shirik | because it's raidpet1, not raid1pet, iirc, etc. |
| 23:32.19 | AnduinLothar | both work |
| 23:32.23 | Shirik | orly |
| 23:32.26 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 23:32.26 | Shirik | is that recent? |
| 23:32.28 | foxlit | since when? |
| 23:32.28 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 23:32.33 | AnduinLothar | old scrool |
| 23:32.44 | Shirik | hm |
| 23:32.53 | Shirik | I remember running into that issue on RDX |
| 23:32.56 | foxlit | My old scrool memories contain a bug relating to that issue |
| 23:33.01 | foxlit | high-fives Shirik. |
| 23:33.45 | AnduinLothar | sec ill verify |
| 23:34.02 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 23:34.07 | AnduinLothar | works for party and raid |
| 23:36.00 | foxlit | hm, so it does. |
| 23:36.20 | AnduinLothar | only thing it wont work for is pets |
| 23:36.25 | foxlit | But it's not like that parsing is complicated :) |
| 23:36.47 | AnduinLothar | and focus apparently |
| 23:36.56 | Shirik | anyone here have minion handy? I need to verify something |
| 23:37.41 | zenzelezz | what? |
| 23:37.45 | foxlit | anyway, I don't consider that pattern trick complicated. |
| 23:38.18 | AnduinLothar | unneccissary then |
| 23:38.41 | foxlit | Meh. It runs once. |
| 23:38.59 | AnduinLothar | actually focuspet works too |
| 23:39.06 | AnduinLothar | at least on a group member |
| 23:39.08 | foxlit | targetpet? |
| 23:39.11 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 23:39.26 | foxlit | But only on group members. |
| 23:39.30 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 23:39.40 | AnduinLothar | they should all work on everything |
| 23:39.54 | foxlit | "should" isn't interesting. |
| 23:39.54 | AnduinLothar | how do you think the focuspet and targetpet frames are populated? |
| 23:40.14 | zenzelezz | Shirik: you sort of need to elaborate |
| 23:40.25 | foxlit | Those actually exist? |
| 23:40.31 | Shirik | nm I found a way around it |
| 23:40.40 | AnduinLothar | uh of course they do |
| 23:40.59 | AnduinLothar | default ui |
| 23:41.06 | AnduinLothar | jsut have to enable them |
| 23:41.45 | AnduinLothar | only thing it wont work on is something that's already a pet |
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| 23:41.54 | AnduinLothar | liek you cant do targetpetpet |
| 23:42.20 | foxlit | "jsut have to enable them" << where? |
| 23:42.21 | AnduinLothar | so just do a suffix match for pet and strip it, else add it |
| 23:42.41 | AnduinLothar | sec |
| 23:44.07 | AnduinLothar | interface>combat>target of target |
| 23:44.22 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 23:44.27 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:44.29 | AnduinLothar | never mine |
| 23:45.05 | AnduinLothar | focus pet exists tho, right? or is that focustarget |
| 23:45.10 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 23:45.17 | AnduinLothar | dont listen to me |
| 23:46.21 | AnduinLothar | ill check if it works on hostiles after this raid |
| 23:47.13 | foxlit | I did check on ungrouped friendlies |
| 23:47.42 | foxlit | But I'd be happy to hear it from someone else :) |
| 23:52.46 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:55.29 | Shirik | o.o |
| 23:55.36 | Shirik | my new heuristics are a lot better >.> |
| 23:55.57 | Shirik | I was staring at minion like "wtf are you doing, that's not right" so I clicked the "more info" link and it took me to the right page, proving me wrong |
| 23:58.18 | zenzelezz | foxlit: not sure if I followed your conversation correctly, but targetting/focusing a random warlock and hunter in the AH, I get nil return from both UnitExitsts("targetpet") and UnitExists("focuspet") |
| 23:58.22 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson12.html |
| 23:58.51 | foxlit | zenzelezz: That is my result as well. |
| 23:58.58 | foxlit | Apparently, it works if you're in a group with your target/focus. |
| 23:59.22 | zenzelezz | "target/focus with privileges" |
| 23:59.50 | AnduinLothar | what abotu the arena units? |
