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| 01:00.07 | Shirik | Guild application: |
| 01:00.11 | Shirik | "List your previous guilds" |
| 01:00.31 | Shirik | Response: about 25 names, none of which I recognize as guilds, but 2 of which I recognize as character names |
| 01:00.38 | Shirik | I didn't think it was that hard of a question |
| 01:06.33 | zenzelezz | maybe he thought it said "guildies" |
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| 01:21.23 | theorbtwo | Er, um... well, having been in 25 guilds isn't a good recommendation. Neither is misunderstanding the question. |
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| 01:40.22 | kd3 | yay musical keyboards |
| 01:40.39 | kd3 | s/keyboards/HDDs/ |
| 01:40.46 | kd3 | and plugging my monitors back in backward >.< |
| 01:40.56 | Shirik | zenzelezz / theorbtwo |
| 01:40.58 | Shirik | My bad... i read the thing in italics that said We know people on other servers list those too. and then i just listed a bunch of people i know... i was really tired when i did the app sorry... |
| 01:40.58 | Shirik | Recent guilds-Is Malicious, Defines LIFE, Raid This |
| 01:42.30 | theorbtwo | Oh, I didn't realize this was a fellow #wowuidevver's application... |
| 01:42.44 | kd3 | hot damn, the drive's under warranty until 2012 |
| 01:42.52 | kd3 | is slightly less annoyed |
| 01:42.59 | Kirov_ | kd3 - what manufacturer? |
| 01:43.02 | kd3 | seagate |
| 01:43.19 | Kirov_ | 7200.11? |
| 01:43.49 | kd3 | barracuda ES 500GB |
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| 01:44.29 | kd3 | still... only 18 months and this is drive #2 that's gone bad |
| 01:44.30 | Kirov_ | 7200.11 or .10 |
| 01:44.40 | Kirov_ | sounds like .11 |
| 01:45.19 | Kirov_ | At work we built all of our machines from Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200.11 drives. |
| 01:45.41 | Kirov_ | So far, half of them have failed in the 6 months we've used them. |
| 01:46.05 | Kirov_ | I have a 7200.9 that's 5 years old that's been perfect. |
| 01:46.15 | Shirik | theorbtwo: It wasn't |
| 01:47.56 | Kirov_ | Seagate's have always had a reputation for near flawless harddrives. 7200.11 completely fucked them. |
| 01:48.28 | kd3 | which is why I built this raid out of them |
| 01:48.36 | kd3 | but ya, it's an .11 |
| 01:48.48 | Kirov_ | Old, used 7200.10s or 7200.9s probably have a longer life span remaining on them than .11s |
| 01:49.23 | Kirov_ | I will say I do horribly miss my Barracuda 7200.9, so quiet. The Western Digital drives are loud as fuck. |
| 01:49.27 | Kirov_ | (in comparison) |
| 01:50.34 | Shirik | Seagate is good |
| 01:50.52 | Shirik | hence why they offer 5 year warranties on even consumer drives when you look at the competition's warranty of 90 days to 1 year |
| 01:50.53 | tekkub | ... |
| 01:51.03 | tekkub | why does Chromie have a female GOBLIN voice? |
| 01:51.18 | Shirik | your brain cannot understand chromie |
| 01:51.20 | Shefki | Because she's a dragon and can have any voice she watns. |
| 01:51.31 | Shirik | her presence as a gnome is actually just a representation |
| 01:51.41 | Thunder_Child | actually, i believe goblins have chromies voice |
| 01:51.46 | NightHawkTheSane | wee..4khps |
| 01:52.20 | Shefki | I've done 6khps on Ignis |
| 01:53.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, we just did ignis |
| 01:53.19 | Shirik | I've done 10khps in WG |
| 01:53.28 | NightHawkTheSane | wg is hax :P |
| 01:53.45 | Shirik | penance ticking for 20k is just so win |
| 01:53.49 | mikma | [Tracky]: Smish likes to get his [Willy] Out [For The Children] |
| 01:54.24 | kd3 | but yay... things have come so far... I plug my UPS in and linux just goes "whee! a battery!" |
| 01:54.45 | Kirov_ | Shirik - Seagate has done a lot for owners of 7200.11 drives; extended warranty length, will replace drives (almost) regardless of why they failed, offer free data recovery, pay for shipping, etc. |
| 01:54.58 | Kirov_ | Doesn't stop the fact that a broken drive can cost a day, or weeks of time. |
| 01:55.01 | Shefki | Shirik: WG doesn't really count since you basically have an unlimited source of targets... |
| 01:55.10 | Shirik | nah |
| 01:55.13 | Shirik | I only have 1 target |
| 01:55.20 | Shirik | screw the rest of the people |
| 01:55.22 | Shirik | We 2 man WG |
| 01:55.32 | Shefki | lol |
| 01:55.47 | Shirik | we have, quite literally, 2 manned WG |
| 01:55.50 | Shirik | at least in our opinion |
| 01:56.05 | Shirik | at the very most the other people were just doing a distraction |
| 01:56.15 | Shirik | we snuck around to the other side, made our move, got in, and win |
| 01:56.15 | Zoot|afk | Shirik, I believe you if it makes you feel better. |
| 01:56.19 | Zoot|afk | I think I've done that too. |
| 01:56.39 | Zootfizzle | It's even easier when it's really laggy |
| 01:56.49 | Shirik | Zootfizzle's just mad because he's a gnome and I'm horde and we win |
| 01:56.54 | Shefki | Zootfizzle: What on a test realm with only you and GC against nobody? :P |
| 01:56.56 | kd3 | meh, if it's laggy the horde just cheat and zerg the base |
| 01:57.01 | Zootfizzle | Maybe I'm a Tauren that uses an Orb of Deception at work |
| 01:57.05 | Zootfizzle | You would never know. |
| 01:57.12 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I know I've done that before :) |
| 01:58.24 | Zootfizzle | >_> |
| 01:58.45 | kd3 | blah. I'm sad I missed the pvp day on friday |
| 01:58.46 | kd3 | damned work |
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| 02:14.38 | ZorbaTHut | server alliance first: razorscale 25man |
| 02:14.41 | ZorbaTHut | our server is awesome :( |
| 02:15.00 | Shirik | .... just now? |
| 02:15.05 | Shirik | we did that in the first week >.> |
| 02:15.28 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, about half an hour ago (we just realized it was the server alliance first) |
| 02:15.34 | ZorbaTHut | as I said, our server is awesome. :( |
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| 02:17.33 | mikma | zorbathut: hardmode? |
| 02:17.43 | kd3 | there's no hard mode for razor |
| 02:18.04 | mikma | zomg |
| 02:18.04 | ZorbaTHut | as if anyone on my server would be capable of doing hardmode ;) |
| 02:18.37 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, afaik there's nobody on my server who's even gotten to yoggsaron. I'm almost certain there have been no kills |
| 02:18.48 | ZorbaTHut | and I can guarantee both of those things are true for Alliance, since I'm in the most progressed Alliance guild |
| 02:19.57 | kd3 | lol. I open a box... turn away for a minute |
| 02:20.00 | kd3 | now there's a cat in the box |
| 02:20.07 | ZorbaTHut | hahahah, oh god. we're currently at the most progressed point of any alliance guild in ulduar25 |
| 02:20.11 | ZorbaTHut | namely, deconstructor |
| 02:40.17 | Zynderps | D: |
| 02:43.33 | Wobin | world.. of... FIGHT? |
| 02:44.14 | Zyndrome | yes, great strategy by The9 ... "aaaaaaaaaa gonna lose customers... hey I know, lets remake WoW!" |
| 02:48.48 | mikma | wobin: WoF |
| 02:49.03 | kd3 | say wha? |
| 02:49.14 | mikma | any new info about it? |
| 02:50.05 | Wobin | only what I saw from wowinsider |
| 02:56.01 | Zyndrome | http://www.wofchina.com/ |
| 02:56.06 | Zyndrome | OMG CANT WAIT |
| 02:57.00 | Wobin | wow |
| 02:57.08 | Wobin | most... uninspiring trailer ever =P |
| 02:58.42 | ZorbaTHut | wasn't there some magnificent clone of WoW a while back? I remember they had "Tanglevine Vale" |
| 02:59.02 | Kraftman | runes of magic is wow with different textures |
| 03:07.17 | Torhal | Seerah: I wish you'd lock the pick of the week thread the next week. I was fooled by someone necroing the 2/22 pick :) |
| 03:07.25 | Torhal | I was looking forward to new shinies! |
| 03:08.07 | Dagmar | I think past behaviour considered, it's not out of the question that someone with the server code for WoW might just decide to up and say "Screw Blizzard, we're just taking the IP and running our own game on it" |
| 03:10.25 | sysrage | weird. damn phone lost all my alarms and forgot how i had all my apps arranged on springboard |
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| 03:20.30 | Seerah | Torhal: hehe |
| 03:25.27 | batrick | Anyone here play WCIII TFT on Battle.net through wine (linux) and get crashes all the time? |
| 03:28.53 | Kirov_ | Anyone else here use Quartz? |
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| 03:39.23 | Dagmar | I use it |
| 03:39.32 | Dagmar | It eats mah frames I think but I still use it |
| 03:40.01 | Dagmar | It answers that ever-important question: "Dear god how long is it going to take to fold up all this bloody mageweave?" |
| 03:41.19 | Kirov_ | I just created a module for it. |
| 03:41.36 | Kirov_ | Wondering if anyone else would actually use it or if it's just my own bizzare need. |
| 03:41.44 | Kirov_ | It shows instant cast spells. |
| 03:41.57 | Kirov_ | They show up and fade out instantly. |
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| 03:42.10 | Dagmar | It has a GCD bar |
| 03:42.28 | Kirov_ | Yes, but this is _what_ you last cast |
| 03:42.40 | Dagmar | If it makes you happy, then great. |
| 03:42.55 | Dagmar | Myself, if I can't remember what I cast less than a second and a half ago, I've had way too many bong hits. |
| 03:43.25 | Kirov_ | I guess it's mainly from playing my mage so much I'm used to seeing it. Playing my DK where everything is instant I feel like there's something missing on my UI |
| 03:44.45 | Dagmar | Try being a hunter sometime, when half the spells are insta and the other half are Steady Shot (2s) |
| 03:45.28 | Kirov_ | Dagmar - my main for 2+ years was a hunter. |
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| 03:46.30 | Kirov_ | I went from autoshot / arcane shot / multishot / serpent sting rotations to autoshot / aimed shot rotations to autoshot / steady shot rotations |
| 03:46.43 | Kirov_ | hunters have it fucking easy now |
| 03:47.16 | mikma | cairenn: http://fukung.net/v/12874/f0e96e1886acfe3931b1f0f9624423c3.jpg |
| 03:47.27 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 03:48.22 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA it's so random.... |
| 03:49.03 | Shirik | !!! Haxing! |
| 03:49.24 | Shirik | <Deadly Boss Mods> Shadowrx is busy fighting against Yogg-Saron (95%, 17/27 people alive) |
| 03:49.27 | Dagmar | No they don't actually. |
| 03:49.29 | Shirik | using 27 people on Yogg-Saron |
| 03:49.37 | Thunder_Child | in the raid |
| 03:49.55 | Dagmar | To _really_ maximize DPS you actually have to use Serpent and Multi *and* Arcane and Steady and there's *not* a clean rotation for that that's not 27 iterations long |
| 03:50.35 | Dagmar | I'm just kinda squeaking by saying "Screw your oddly fitteing 10 second cooldown, Multi-Shot" and just doing Serp, AS, SSx3, AS, SSx3 |
| 03:50.50 | Dagmar | The difference without multi is like 4% less, and I don't bloody care |
| 03:51.18 | Dagmar | That's too many moles to juggle and keep an eye on the healers and tanks at the same time |
| 03:52.01 | Dagmar | Shirik: Lordy, how'd they manage 27 people? |
| 03:52.01 | Shirik | haxing! |
| 03:52.05 | Dagmar | ONOES |
| 03:54.23 | End | those haxingors |
| 03:59.56 | kd3 | grr |
| 04:07.26 | digmouse | I hate that 0.5 sec Multi |
| 04:07.38 | digmouse | I'd rather spec for Aimed Shot |
| 04:13.56 | DWSR | Morning all |
| 04:18.05 | Dagmar | What 0.5s multi? |
| 04:18.38 | Seerah | Torhal: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=133315#post133315 |
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| 04:20.31 | Dagmar | Multi-shot's been instacast for awhile, but the cooldown is 10s (9s glyphed), which doesn't mesh well with the other cooldowns |
| 04:23.32 | Torhal | Seerah: Shinies! |
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| 04:31.08 | Shefki | Zootfizzle: Well the thread you requested has taken off. |
| 04:37.35 | digmouse | Mulitshot is true inst now? |
| 04:38.48 | Dagmar | It's been an instant-cast for awhile |
| 04:39.20 | Dagmar | It's just one of the ones you can't cast while running |
| 04:40.09 | Shefki | Cairenn: ping |
| 04:40.17 | Cairenn | Shefki: pong |
| 04:40.36 | Shefki | Cairenn: Why does your Mod FAQ still have a temp question at the top for the 2.4 Chat settings bug? |
| 04:40.50 | Cairenn | because it hasn't been updated in forever? |
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| 04:41.25 | Dagmar | #$@$!@#$! |
| 04:41.41 | Dagmar | God why do they keep having to juggle numbers on theee shots |
| 04:43.01 | Dagmar | Nevermind, I should not be complaining about simpler math |
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| 04:49.28 | Thunder_Child | Nothing says good eatin like think sliced bear cub on a ritz caracker |
| 04:49.36 | Thunder_Child | cracker* |
| 04:49.41 | Thunder_Child | thin* |
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| 04:53.32 | Dagmar | I guess I'll go home later and just smash my pocket calculator into pieces |
| 05:04.42 | Dagmar | Son. Of. A. B. |
| 05:05.10 | Dagmar | It looks like Steady Shot scales up with a good weapon to the point where it's more damaging than Arcane shot |
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| 05:26.43 | kd3 | hokay... yay for stable drives again. now I just need my replacement to get shipped out |
| 05:31.09 | digmouse | Dagmar: It's still a 0.5 sec cast, bit different from Aimed Shot which is a true Instant cast |
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| 05:47.50 | msou| | Top of the morning lads |
| 05:48.16 | Cairenn | hi msou| |
| 05:49.12 | msou| | Hiya =) |
| 05:50.03 | msou| | ddin't get enough sleep last night :( |
| 05:50.34 | msou| | And the big game is today.. to be or not to be! |
| 05:50.42 | msou| | Finland Vs Canada... |
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| 05:52.43 | msou| | if only Finland wins today would be a good a continuation of a lovely 4 days in a row |
| 05:53.08 | msou| | reached level 71. and Finland wins today boy am I going to celebrate |
| 05:56.00 | msou| | By the way, I find it irritating sometimes when I'm in dalaran... laggie as hell feel like someone dragging me back when I walk around |
| 05:57.05 | Hirsute | that would be mr. latency. He's an irritating one. |
| 05:57.40 | msou| | hehe |
| 05:58.17 | msou| | it' seasy to go anywhere from there... used to have shatt as my home now dalaran |
| 05:58.58 | msou| | mind me asking you this: the armor that flagged in purple colors you get them in raids even if you're lvl 70? only raids and if you have eng as a profession? |
| 06:04.37 | Taroven | Is there an easy way to compare a variable against an organized table and come up with the closest result? |
| 06:04.49 | Shirik | .... |
| 06:04.56 | Shirik | Just saw guild spam |
| 06:05.01 | Shirik | Peggle and Bejeweled almost at the same time |
| 06:05.06 | Shirik | Apparently he plays both |
| 06:05.16 | Shirik | concurrently |
| 06:05.20 | Taroven | English = Trying to compare character level to a list of poisons by level to automatically choose the highest level poison |
| 06:05.23 | Torhal | I keep saying, on guild: |
| 06:05.32 | Taroven | o.0 Shirik |
| 06:05.42 | Torhal | [Peggle]: Torhal has just removed the uzi from beneath his trench coat. |
| 06:06.00 | Torhal | Spammy shit, those addons. |
| 06:07.30 | msou| | bleh only raids |
| 06:07.48 | msou| | think I shouldn't worry about it, not just yet |
| 06:07.58 | Shirik | Torhal: I was more amazed by the fact that he can play bejeweled and peggle at the same time |
| 06:08.12 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 06:09.00 | msou| | someone plays two chars at the same time?= |
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| 06:18.04 | durcyn | Torhal: i'm contemplating adding a message filter that gkicks on messages containing [Peggle] |
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| 06:21.09 | kd3 | ooh |
| 06:21.21 | kd3 | lemme know when that one gets written. I'd like to hand it off to my GM |
| 06:21.27 | Torhal | durcyn: Oooh |
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| 06:35.57 | msou| | All women at work believe Finland will lose todays match against the Canadians :/ |
| 06:36.20 | msou| | imagine the possiblities and Finland wins, boy am I going to ask them to bake me some cake |
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| 06:37.28 | krka | ice hockey i presume |
| 06:43.11 | msou| | yeah |
| 06:43.41 | msou| | most of our players are stuck with NHL =) |
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| 06:44.10 | krka | is sweden still there somewhere? |
| 06:46.23 | msou| | not sure |
| 06:46.34 | msou| | But I guess they are =) |
| 06:46.46 | msou| | Are you Swedeish? |
| 06:46.50 | msou| | Swedish |
| 06:47.54 | krka | yes |
| 06:48.22 | Cairenn | go Canada! |
| 06:48.51 | Fisker- | go finland! |
| 06:49.46 | krka | wth, sweden lost to latvia? |
| 06:54.46 | msou| | Fisker-: thank you! |
| 06:55.02 | msou| | krka: what server you play on? =) |
| 06:55.41 | msou| | Fisker-: didn't know you're Finn, if not and cheering for us... |
| 06:55.45 | Thunder_Child | ~canada |
| 06:55.46 | purl | We're really sorry we beat you at hockey in the olympics, it's just that we're much much much much MUCH better than you. |
| 06:55.46 | msou| | salutes Fisker- |
| 06:56.04 | msou| | purl: it's the only sport you know of :( |
| 06:57.42 | krka | msou|: no one at the moment |
| 06:58.07 | msou| | krka: a lot of Swedes on kazzak |
| 06:59.22 | krka | i'm sure there is |
| 06:59.32 | Thunder_Child | why is there no way to resize or an addon to resize the zone map? |
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| 07:04.25 | Fisker- | msou| i'm not canadian! |
| 07:04.29 | Fisker- | and finland is closer |
| 07:05.29 | msou| | Fisker-: hehehe |
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| 07:18.18 | Syzgyn | Fuck Vezaz |
| 07:18.24 | Syzgyn | Vezax* |
| 07:18.35 | Syzgyn | Grr |
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| 07:21.14 | Etanol | bur :O |
| 07:21.34 | zenzio | ..n with the intensity of a thousand desert suns? |
| 07:27.51 | Fisker- | BURN! Burn in the makers fire! |
| 07:28.13 | Shirik | batbot: local t = setmetatable({}, {__mode="kv"}); local e = newproxy(true); getmetatable(e).__gc = function(self) t[math.random(1,1000)]=self; assert(getmetatable(e).__gc); end t[math.random(1,1000)]=e; e=nil; for x = 1, 100 do v = {} end |
| 07:28.23 | Shirik | batbot: local t = setmetatable({}, {__mode="kv"}); local e = newproxy(true); getmetatable(e).__gc = function(self) t[math.random(1,1000)]=self; assert(getmetatable(e).__gc); end t[math.random(1,1000)]=e; e=nil; for x = 1, 100 do v = {} end print("Hello!") |
| 07:28.25 | Fisker- | BURN! Burn in the makers fire! |
| 07:28.44 | zenzio | By fire be purged! |
| 07:28.48 | Shirik | oh wtf batrick |
| 07:28.51 | Shirik | you removed newproxy?! |
| 07:28.54 | Fisker- | Taste the flame of sulfuron |
| 07:29.03 | Shirik | lua> return newproxy |
| 07:29.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x97c76b0 |
| 07:29.18 | Shirik | lua> local t = setmetatable({}, {__mode="kv"}); local e = newproxy(true); getmetatable(e).__gc = function(self) t[math.random(1,1000)]=self; assert(getmetatable(e).__gc); end t[math.random(1,1000)]=e; e=nil; for x = 1, 100 do v = {} end print("Hello!") |
| 07:29.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: Hello! |
| 07:29.26 | Shirik | anyway, /me sleeps |
| 07:29.38 | Fisker- | i hope you dream about me Shirik|zZz |
| 07:29.44 | Shirik|zZz | I hope to god I don't |
| 07:29.59 | Fisker- | here's a fork in case you do |
| 07:29.59 | Fisker- | :# |
| 07:30.00 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 07:30.06 | Jamash | Come closer... closer... and burn! |
| 07:31.01 | Cairenn | ~seen |Jelly| |
| 07:31.05 | purl | |jelly| is currently on #wowuidev (2d 8h 7m 39s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 46m 43s, last said: 'Shirik, do you never go to the forums anymore?'. |
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| 07:33.20 | Shirik|zZz | ~seen Cairenn |
| 07:33.21 | purl | cairenn is currently on #waruidev #wowuidev #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 101 messages. Is idling for 2m 20s, last said: '~seen |Jelly|'. |
| 07:33.28 | Cairenn | go sleep Shirik|zZz :) |
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| 07:41.09 | Wobin | woo |
| 07:41.17 | Wobin | just got the HDD he won from Asus |
| 07:42.52 | Elkano | gz |
| 07:43.17 | Wobin | It's a 30Gig external |
| 07:43.20 | Wobin | about the size of my palm |
| 07:44.34 | Elkano | 2.5" or smaller? |
| 07:44.59 | Torhal | Can anyone recommend a good SVN GUI for Linux? |
| 07:45.06 | Torhal | I've tried three and they SUCK. |
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| 07:47.34 | Kalroth | wine + TurtoiseSVN |
| 07:49.33 | Corrodias | might be spelled tortoise |
| 07:50.14 | Torhal | I was hoping for something native, but Tortoise doesn't suck. :D |
| 07:50.43 | Grum | the shell! |
| 07:56.10 | Torhal | Bah. No workey |
| 07:58.04 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...rather happy that i can go vista->win7 RC w/o having to do anything funky |
| 07:58.13 | Thunder_Child | like reinstall |
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| 08:01.22 | Etanol | ~seen etanol |
| 08:01.24 | purl | etanol is currently on #wowuidev (40m 34s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen etanol'. |
| 08:01.37 | Etanol | I've said more than 2 messages |
| 08:01.42 | Etanol | purl updated? |
| 08:01.52 | Wobin | Elkano: it's 3"x2.5" |
| 08:02.37 | Elkano | well, I ment the hd used in it ^^ |
| 08:02.45 | zenzio | Etanol: it only counts the number of lines you have sent since you last joined the channel |
| 08:02.50 | zenzio | in which case 2 is indeed correct |
| 08:02.51 | Etanol | aha |
| 08:03.07 | Elkano | I think 2.5" is common for mobile devices |
| 08:03.16 | Wobin | oh dunno |
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| 08:16.04 | digmouse | I think it's smaller than 2.5 if it's really about the size of your palm |
| 08:16.35 | digmouse | I have a 2.5' Mobile device but it's definitely bigger than palm or blackberry |
| 08:17.54 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903650879&sid=1&pageNo=2#24 |
| 08:18.35 | Cairenn | at least they're honest about not giving a shit |
| 08:18.54 | jnwhiteh | oh no, they give a shit |
| 08:18.59 | jnwhiteh | they just actively want to leech bandwidth |
| 08:19.05 | Cairenn | that's what I meant |
| 08:19.14 | jnwhiteh | hehe =) |
| 08:19.18 | Cairenn | they don't give a shit if the sites go down |
| 08:20.06 | Grum | well they still cant use it :D |
| 08:20.33 | Grum | is there any wowmatrix forum or channel orso? how do they communicate around that site? there seems to be no notion of problems on their main website :) |
| 08:22.11 | Cairenn | no, they give no way for public conversation, other than using their "contact us" form |
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| 08:23.07 | Thunder_Child | which they dont answer |
| 08:23.14 | Cairenn | yes, well |
| 08:23.18 | JackBurton7676 | y dont one of you go to their hq and burn it down? |
| 08:23.24 | Thunder_Child | though i suppsoe it helps not to be an asshole when asking a question |
| 08:25.26 | Thunder_Child | i doubt they have a HQ |
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| 08:35.06 | digmouse | dare they use their main to post not an alt :P |
| 08:46.00 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: think its more of a HeadAttic :p |
| 08:46.35 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, the HQ? |
| 08:47.10 | Industrial | yes :p |
| 08:48.24 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, now you get to tell me what the hell a headattic is |
| 08:48.45 | Thunder_Child | because i doubt you mean a bathroom in the attic |
| 08:49.52 | Industrial | I think their HeadQuarters is an attic :p |
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| 08:50.23 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 08:50.37 | Wobin | not a basement? |
| 08:50.42 | Thunder_Child | i would say basement if anything, it's cooler |
| 08:50.47 | Thunder_Child | as in temp |
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| 11:55.20 | Gnarfoz | can anyone with a (preferably) english Windows XP SP3 install get me a checksum of %systemroot%\system32\6to4v32.dll? |
| 11:57.35 | Wobin | hm, I only have 6to4svc.dll |
| 11:58.47 | theorbtwo | md5: 97d0cecef133bbe59abf3cb6d05226c3 /mnt/c/WINDOWS/system32/6to4svc.dll |
| 11:58.56 | theorbtwo | 100352 bytes |
| 11:59.45 | theorbtwo | Oh, that's apparently not an sp3 file: 5.1.2600.2975 (xpsp_sp2_gdr.060816-0059) |
| 12:00.08 | theorbtwo | I'm fairly certian that system is up-to-date, though, so I guess that is the newest version. |
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| 12:02.41 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 12:02.48 | Gnarfoz | seems to be an entirely different file |
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| 12:34.13 | Cide | hi |
| 12:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
| 12:35.12 | Cide | how are you, Lopeppeppy_ |
| 12:35.12 | Cide | ? |
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| 12:37.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, pretty spiffy for a drizzly Monday morning. :) |
| 12:37.36 | Kalroth | cooooffeeeeeee |
| 12:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | Whuzzat? |
| 12:42.21 | Kalroth | coffee |
| 12:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | weird stuff. |
| 12:43.23 | DWSR | ~coffee |
| 12:43.24 | purl | from memory, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage |
| 12:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I don't know GNU, so I'm okay. |
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| 12:54.06 | add||Reena | hi |
| 12:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 13:06.06 | Wobin | woo |
| 13:06.06 | Wobin | http://www.mousecircus.com/videotour.aspx?VideoID=1 |
| 13:10.14 | Wobin | 7hours of Neil Gaiman talking =) |
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| 14:05.09 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 14:11.36 | mikma | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/186.html <- hahaa |
| 14:11.42 | Fisker- | kicks mikma in the face |
| 14:11.43 | Fisker- | it was fail |
| 14:11.50 | mikma | yes you are fail |
| 14:11.52 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:12.01 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.01 | mikma | yes |
| 14:12.05 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:12.09 | mikma | yes, you. |
| 14:12.13 | Fisker- | no, not me. |
| 14:12.19 | Fisker- | oh |
| 14:12.23 | Fisker- | and it's not even todays comic |
| 14:12.24 | Fisker- | fu |
| 14:12.36 | mikma | hahaa |
| 14:13.28 | krka | talking to yourself a lot? |
| 14:13.42 | mikma | krka: you have fisker- ignored? |
| 14:14.03 | krka | oh that explains your lack of sanity |
| 14:14.53 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker promotes that in all of us. |
| 14:14.53 | mikma | :D |
| 14:15.09 | mikma | oh man, that was nice, thanks krka :D |
| 14:17.17 | Kalroth_ | haha |
| 14:17.31 | jnwhiteh | Anyone know the difference between GetBoundsRect and GetRect? |
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| 14:18.21 | Kalroth_ | jnwhiteh: I don't know for Lua, but for windows it's the rect of the window with and without borders |
| 14:18.47 | Kalroth_ | So it mayhaps be something like that |
| 14:18.51 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth_: ah, perhaps its the same here.. with backdrops |
| 14:19.19 | Kalroth_ | well eg. a window with a caption will have a smaller inner rectable than a window without |
| 14:19.46 | jnwhiteh | yeah just trying to figure out what that means for WoW =) |
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| 14:20.36 | Kalroth_ | I'm willing to bet that both functions are identical unless you implement them, meaning they don't get used in standard frames |
| 14:20.54 | Fisker- | naw Lopeppeppy |
| 14:21.10 | Fisker- | Gotta be pretty stupid to not realize that you can't read something from someone you're ignoring |
| 14:21.13 | Fisker- | but that's just me i guess |
| 14:21.15 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth_: I doubt that, they were both introduced in 2.1 |
| 14:21.22 | Kalroth_ | oh |
| 14:21.28 | jnwhiteh | at the same time, so I expect they actually do something =) |
| 14:21.57 | jnwhiteh | krka thinks it might be the bounding rect of all child regions |
| 14:21.57 | Fisker- | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9774-picoButtons.html#changelog lol |
| 14:22.03 | Kalroth_ | all the changelog says is |
| 14:22.04 | Kalroth_ | * NEW minx,miny,width,height = Region:GetRect() |
| 14:22.04 | Kalroth_ | * NEW minx,miny,width,height = Frame:GetBoundsRect() |
| 14:22.13 | Kalroth_ | So one for regions and one for frames? :P |
| 14:23.03 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I know |
| 14:23.11 | krka | does frame inherit region? |
| 14:23.15 | jnwhiteh | krka: yes |
| 14:23.16 | krka | i can't even find region on wowwiki |
| 14:23.21 | krka | wowwiki seems a bit outdated |
| 14:23.22 | jnwhiteh | ignore wowwiki |
| 14:23.29 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/widgets_hierarchy |
| 14:23.37 | krka | it's been my only source of knowledge for 4 years |
| 14:23.39 | jnwhiteh | I LIED |
| 14:23.40 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 14:23.40 | krka | thanks |
| 14:23.44 | Fisker- | shameless selfpromotion jnwhiteh |
| 14:23.45 | Fisker- | tsk |
| 14:23.46 | mikma | ~wowbible |
| 14:23.47 | purl | [wowbible] http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 14:23.47 | Kalroth_ | LIAR |
| 14:23.47 | krka | you always do |
| 14:24.04 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: or.. accurate documentation based on actual scans of the client |
| 14:24.11 | jnwhiteh | instead of ad-hoc wiki poop |
| 14:24.21 | jnwhiteh | if i was self-promoting, i'd link to the store |
| 14:24.22 | Fisker- | oh yeah, that too |
| 14:24.31 | jnwhiteh | but i don't.. I link to the completely free and open reference material =) |
| 14:24.36 | jnwhiteh | POOP |
| 14:24.40 | Fisker- | <jnwiteh> http://wowprogramming.com/store |
| 14:24.43 | Fisker- | doh |
| 14:24.47 | jnwhiteh | h8 |
| 14:24.59 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: hrm, maybe GetBoundsRect() only returns the visible area, while GetRect() returns all of it? |
| 14:25.07 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: interesting |
| 14:25.08 | Kalroth | I guess it should be easy to test when I get home :p |
| 14:25.22 | Fisker- | The first one is still hilarious |
| 14:25.26 | Fisker- | http://astore.amazon.com/worofwarproag-20/detail/0470110023/105-0720423-4475656 |
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| 14:25.37 | Fisker- | "Hacking World of Warcraft - Don't get PWN'D" |
| 14:25.38 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:26.14 | Lopeppeppy | I got that for Christmas. :) |
| 14:26.25 | Fisker- | who's matthew orlando btw? |
| 14:26.38 | Zootfizzle | A really nice guy |
| 14:26.44 | Fisker- | oh |
| 14:26.58 | Fisker- | COG! |
| 14:26.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh! |
| 14:26.58 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
| 14:28.27 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: yeah same, don't have wow to test atm |
| 14:28.54 | krka | visible area? O_o |
| 14:28.58 | msou| | quick question guys, expert riding means I will pay for the flying mount and the training thingie? |
| 14:29.05 | jnwhiteh | krka: if you dragged the frame off screen partially |
| 14:29.10 | krka | it scans for transparant pixels and stuff? |
| 14:29.10 | msou| | Plus will I be able to fly anywhere or is there a certain areas? |
| 14:29.12 | krka | oh i see |
| 14:29.21 | krka | outside the screen |
| 14:29.25 | krka | that may be it |
| 14:29.26 | jnwhiteh | as in the rect of the frame within the bounded area of the screen |
| 14:29.45 | krka | i thought my theory was cute though :( |
| 14:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | msou|, there are places where you cannot fly, even with cold weather flying. There aren't many, but there are some. |
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| 14:30.57 | krka | kalimdor is one such place |
| 14:32.07 | msou| | Lopeppeppy: oh I see.. I can fly in borean tundra at least and orgimmar =) though is it a seperate thing the training costs 800G and I have to buy a flying mount later? |
| 14:32.26 | nicoli_s | you can fly in ogrimmar? |
| 14:33.26 | Lopeppeppy | Training flying in TBC, buying a flying mount, training cold weather flying in Wrath. All three separate charges. |
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| 14:33.55 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: I was about to suggest IsOutOfBounds() but that's a player function and not a frame function :P |
| 14:36.42 | jnwhiteh | hehe =) |
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| 14:58.45 | Kraps | http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=893447 |
| 14:59.38 | p3lim | Anyone found a way to scale the minimap icons (players, PoI etc) yet? |
| 15:00.01 | p3lim | except scaling the whole UI |
| 15:00.20 | Lopeppeppy | Check how Chinchilla is doing it? |
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| 15:07.22 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23228 Halp! |
| 15:07.28 | kneeki | purdy pls =) |
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| 15:08.29 | Shirik | nice signature |
| 15:08.32 | Shirik | "Healing is 80% boredom and 20% OMFG FASTER FASTER WTF IS HE DOING IN THE FIRE DAMNIT TO HELL CRIT CRIT PLZ CRIT WTF TANK DAMN SQUISHIES OMG." |
| 15:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | ... very, very true. :) |
| 15:09.05 | foxlit | Also annoying: warlocks who life tap ONCE |
| 15:09.51 | foxlit | Have nothing that heals for under 2k :( |
| 15:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | I usually holy shock 'em. |
| 15:11.37 | Shirik | paladins are OP |
| 15:11.39 | Pneumatus | renew |
| 15:12.03 | Pneumatus | or a PW:S glyph crit |
| 15:12.10 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, tall boy. *pokes Shirik* |
| 15:12.18 | foxlit | I'm sure renew heals for way more than 2k :) |
| 15:12.21 | Shirik | bits Lopeppeppy |
| 15:12.32 | foxlit | Perhaps less per tick, but you're still wasting the rest of them |
| 15:12.38 | Shirik | my renew's initial burst almost heals for 2k |
| 15:12.50 | Lopeppeppy | ... grrrr. |
| 15:13.21 | Shirik | and PW:S glyph is bad for pve |
| 15:13.23 | Pneumatus | it does, but ive noticed locks will tap a couple more times if they have a hot on them |
| 15:13.24 | End | foxlit: if they life tap once, they aren't in any danger |
| 15:13.25 | Shirik | except maybe for disc |
| 15:13.34 | Pneumatus | im disc, Shirik :) |
| 15:13.38 | foxlit | But they have an annoying health deficit! |
| 15:13.43 | Shirik | I'm sorry, Pneumatus |
| 15:13.43 | End | lol |
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| 15:14.20 | End | personally, I like to life tap if I'm getting hit by predictable non-lethal raid damage :P |
| 15:14.25 | End | I always get overhealed anyhow |
| 15:14.56 | Fisker- | so Shirik |
| 15:14.59 | Fisker- | did you dream about me today? |
| 15:15.39 | End | Fisker-: did you dream about Shirik? |
| 15:16.25 | Fisker- | i wish |
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| 15:24.33 | batrick | morning |
| 15:25.02 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo. |
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| 15:30.27 | zenzelezz | sometimes the people who come up with advertisements puzzle me |
| 15:31.14 | zenzelezz | "so, we're launching a new, star-shaped tampon pack. How do we promote it?" "I know, let's make a Bejeweled clone and replace the gem with the highest value with the box" |
| 15:31.55 | zenzelezz | for mobile phones, no less |
| 15:32.37 | Lopeppeppy | ... star shaped is not a good selling point for that product, sorry. |
| 15:32.47 | zenzelezz | it's only the packaging... I think |
| 15:32.50 | zenzelezz | I don't know the details |
| 15:33.38 | zenzelezz | and I really can't picture women sitting around playing a game with 16x16 pixel icons and going "oh, that's right, I need to pick up some..." |
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| 15:45.48 | Duman | hmm |
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| 15:46.29 | Lopeppeppy | Hmmm. |
| 15:47.04 | zenzelezz | Hmmm |
| 15:47.11 | ckknight | hmm |
| 15:47.41 | zenzelezz | Ooonce.. there was this giiirl whooo... |
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| 15:47.56 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:48.27 | durcyn | zenzelezz: ...wouldn't go and change with the girls in the change room? |
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| 15:48.44 | zenzelezz | sure I would |
| 15:48.54 | durcyn | >_< |
| 15:49.11 | Lunessa | But when they finally made her, they saw, birthmarks all over her body. |
| 15:49.34 | zenzelezz | I bet Lunessa thinks I didn't recognize the song |
| 15:49.49 | Kaelten | She couldn't quiet explain it |
| 15:49.56 | Lunessa | I don't know, I came in just in time to see durcyn's comment. |
| 15:49.56 | ckknight | good song |
| 15:50.03 | ckknight | what's the name? |
| 15:50.05 | ckknight | it's been so long |
| 15:50.11 | Lunessa | MMmmm Mmmmm |
| 15:50.16 | Lunessa | Crash Test Dummies |
| 15:50.22 | ckknight | by Crash Test Dummies? |
| 15:50.23 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 15:50.25 | zenzelezz | ckknight: that's how it got started =) |
| 15:50.32 | Lunessa | They put on a hell of a show live. |
| 15:51.10 | Lunessa | Saw them at the Radio Music Hall in Washington, D.C. twice. Good times. |
| 15:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:52.07 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. Morning dear. |
| 15:52.14 | ckknight | I want a hug :( |
| 15:52.48 | Zealin | hug? ^^ |
| 15:53.20 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug ckknight |
| 15:53.20 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on ckknight and suddenly hugs ckknight tightly |
| 15:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Purl still lurvs you. |
| 15:55.10 | Ackis | gets home from the hospital to find a dead hamster waiting for him... now there is 1 left only lol |
| 15:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, those darned cats!! |
| 15:55.48 | Ackis | lol yah |
| 15:56.02 | Ackis | ~hug ckknight |
| 15:56.03 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on ckknight and suddenly hugs ckknight tightly |
| 15:56.22 | Xuerian | -hug herself |
| 15:56.22 | zenzelezz | why do I always do better in Guitar Hero when I'm thinking about everything except the music while playing :-| |
| 15:56.25 | Xuerian | .... |
| 15:56.30 | Xuerian | damn you, purl |
| 15:57.09 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: It's a Zen thing |
| 15:57.10 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, too much concentration leads to performance anxiety and lack of performance. |
| 15:58.17 | Anaral | Cairenn or Shirik, who do I contact about why my project QualityID, is giving me the error: "Sorry, a file is already being generated for this SVN." I haven't been able to update since the 15th of April. |
| 15:59.16 | End | That sounds like a Dolby issue |
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| 16:24.22 | Nuckin | how does one go about transferring an addon on WoWI? |
| 16:24.37 | Nuckin | like switching authors |
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| 16:29.44 | Nechckn | Nuckin send a PM to Cairenn|afk or Dolby or Shirik via the site listing the necessary info- if you own it, just let them know the new person, If not, let them know when you tried contacting the original author, et cetera. |
| 16:30.07 | Nuckin | kk, thanks |
| 16:38.01 | Lunessa | Anyone else seeing the current release client exit to desktop if you alt+tab on a loading screen? |
| 16:39.17 | Hirsute | Haven't tried, I run in Windowed mode, so it isn't an issue for me. |
| 16:40.01 | Lopeppeppy | I run windowed as well. |
| 16:40.35 | Lunessa | So do I. Windowed, Maximized. |
| 16:40.36 | Hirsute | Interesting. I've never alt-tabbed running in windowed, I just click my taskbar. |
| 16:41.30 | Lunessa | I have something like 20 years of muscle memory saying "alt+tab" to see the other window, jackass. |
| 16:41.39 | Lunessa | And when I do it, poof. |
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| 16:43.43 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Interesting. |
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| 16:44.41 | Kraftman | half the time if iit crashes now if i alt tab during loading |
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| 16:45.26 | Hirsute | No need to call me a jackass, I was just commenting about why I don't see the issue. Next time I'm in game, I'm happy to try alt-tab to see if I can reproduce it. |
| 16:45.28 | Hirsute | *shrug* |
| 16:46.03 | Kraftman | i run windowed but maximised |
| 16:46.35 | Hirsute | Of course, it looks like other people are seeing the same problem, so my reproduction of the problem probably won't contribute anything. |
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| 16:49.40 | zenzelezz | I'm not aware of any underlying difference between alt+tabbing and just clicking another window in terms of what Windows does to the WoW window |
| 16:50.18 | zenzelezz | from full-screen (non-windowed) it has to relinquish exclusive access to the screen and stuff, which can cause trouble sometimes |
| 16:51.50 | Lopeppeppy | afk sheeples |
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| 16:56.43 | Lunessa | Hirsute: sorry - quotesin the wrong place, I was calling ME "jackass." |
| 16:56.51 | alestane | Windows appears to assume that the first partition on a thumb drive is the only one of significance. |
| 16:57.43 | Jamash | Windows says: "Partitioned removable media? OMGWTFBBQ |
| 16:57.45 | Jamash | " |
| 16:58.00 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Ah, no worries. |
| 16:58.34 | Lunessa | They make usb sticks bigger than the entire networked capacity of the system I ran in '83. |
| 16:59.17 | alestane | http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090504 Just win. |
| 17:01.58 | alestane | Oh. http://www.twolumps.net/ Oh my. |
| 17:03.20 | Shirik | Nuckin did you get taken care of? |
| 17:03.23 | Shirik | Nechckn, I can't do that |
| 17:03.33 | Shirik | Anaral: ping |
| 17:03.40 | Anaral | Shirik: pong |
| 17:03.46 | Shirik | Did you get your problem resolved? |
| 17:03.58 | Hirsute | alestane: That comic is awesome |
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| 17:04.39 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:05.39 | Shirik | Anaral! Don't ignore me T_T |
| 17:05.56 | Anaral | Shirik, sorry was tabbed out |
| 17:06.11 | Anaral | I sent a PM to Dolby, but no, it's not resolved. |
| 17:06.29 | Shirik | ok what you need to do |
| 17:08.06 | Shirik | find your project under "Current SVN Projects" |
| 17:08.13 | Shirik | there should be a dropdown menu |
| 17:08.15 | Dolby | Anaral: you need to unlock your zip creation. its in a the faq. leme find it |
| 17:08.17 | Shirik | choose "Miscellaneous" |
| 17:08.23 | Shirik | and hit the "Reset Lockout" button |
| 17:08.25 | Dolby | oh nvm Shirik got it |
| 17:08.34 | Anaral | Thank you Shirik and Dolby. |
| 17:11.11 | Anaral | So close! Shirik or Dolby. The Reset Lockout seemed to work, but when I went to push the zip I got: Sorry, for some reason the file didnt copy over. Please contact an admin asap. |
| 17:11.21 | Shirik | yay |
| 17:11.33 | Dolby | is this a new file? |
| 17:11.53 | Anaral | No |
| 17:12.04 | Dolby | can you link to the file then? |
| 17:13.48 | Anaral | Dolby: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=QualityID&path=%2Ftrunk%2FQualityID%2FQualityID.lua |
| 17:13.56 | Anaral | Is that what you wanted? |
| 17:14.02 | Shirik | hum |
| 17:14.07 | Shirik | Dolby: There are two QualityID repos |
| 17:14.09 | Shirik | could that be it? |
| 17:14.18 | Anaral | And also, why is it giving me the option to create a new QID repo? |
| 17:14.21 | Dolby | probably |
| 17:14.57 | Dolby | because its not assigned to your qid file in the database |
| 17:15.05 | Dolby | looks like you tried to make a new file |
| 17:15.13 | Dolby | let me re aissgn it |
| 17:15.18 | Anaral | There should be a QualityID-168 (main updated repo) and the 193 is from WotLK Beta |
| 17:16.26 | Shirik | Anaral completely broke everything |
| 17:16.28 | Shirik | b& imo |
| 17:16.37 | Anaral | :( |
| 17:16.45 | Anaral | I always do. |
| 17:17.16 | Dolby | ok should work now |
| 17:17.53 | Dolby | you may need to reset but afte that will work |
| 17:18.22 | Dolby | you had an invalid fileid assigned to your svn |
| 17:18.27 | Dolby | not sure how that happend |
| 17:19.51 | Anaral | YAY! Thank you Dolby, it works again! |
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| 17:30.51 | Gnarfoz | was math.randomseed removed? |
| 17:30.55 | Gnarfoz | (if so, when o_O) |
| 17:31.04 | foxlit | 3.1 |
| 17:31.13 | foxlit | rubs hands in glee. |
| 17:31.24 | Gnarfoz | so it works as before without it now? |
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| 17:31.57 | foxlit | I think that statement is an oxymoron. |
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| 17:32.46 | Dashkal | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/12/16903512910-valanyr-hammer-of-the-ancient-kings.html |
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| 17:33.26 | Dashkal | Damn... that's a really pretty proc |
| 17:34.09 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 17:35.01 | Dagmar | "Use: Make Martin Fury look weak." |
| 17:35.39 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: you know what I asked, right? :p |
| 17:35.39 | Dashkal | Now I see how that's useful to a druid. Stacks with itself |
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| 17:48.42 | kneeki | Is there any more info anyone can give for my issue here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23228 ? |
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| 17:53.06 | alestane | kneeki: What exactly is the effect that you wish to acheive? |
| 17:54.27 | kneeki | Well, what I would very much like to achieve, if it's possible, is the ability for the player to show or hide some buttons regardless of combat lockdown |
| 17:54.38 | kneeki | They would show or hide them with the press of a keybind |
| 17:55.06 | kd3 | the most you could do was toggle the alpha |
| 17:55.40 | alestane | kneeki: You want the user to be able to show or hide secure buttons by pressing a key? |
| 17:55.48 | kneeki | kd3, I've tried that. But with EnableMouse() also being locked down, you end up dragging an invisilbe window around |
| 17:55.55 | kneeki | alestane, exactly |
| 17:56.04 | alestane | This is entirely achievable. |
| 17:56.19 | kneeki | All that the buttons are is just spells, no advanced targeting and nothing 'smart' about them |
| 17:56.35 | kneeki | I know Bartender and Macaroon does this as well, after sifting through their code, I'm still stumped =( |
| 17:56.52 | alestane | You'll need another invisible button that inherits from SecureHandlerClickTemplate. |
| 17:57.36 | alestane | That button's _onclick snippet should contain code that shows or hides the buttons in question. Then you can bind a key to click that button. |
| 17:57.45 | kneeki | oh? |
| 17:57.47 | kneeki | Hmmm |
| 17:58.04 | kneeki | use the _onclick to launch some for loop function to show or hide them I take it? |
| 17:58.11 | alestane | Or, you can even make that button the parent of the other buttons, and have it show and hide itself. |
| 17:58.43 | alestane | If the parents are part of a common "action bar", that bar can be the "button"./ |
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| 17:58.47 | kneeki | alestane, That sounds better than a for loop i think |
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| 18:05.18 | Lunessa | Yes, faster, and cleaner. :) |
| 18:05.37 | kneeki | alestane, taint issue again, but I'm sure I just fubard what you said to do |
| 18:05.54 | kneeki | I made the buttons children to: ClassButtons_StealthButton |
| 18:06.01 | kneeki | and I show or hide that button based on the keybind |
| 18:06.22 | kneeki | to create it, I just did: local stealth = CreateFrame("Button", "ClassButtons_StealthButton", UIParent, "SecureHandlerClickTemplate") |
| 18:06.36 | kneeki | But, I didn't do any SetAttribute(), should I have? |
| 18:09.22 | alestane | One sec. |
| 18:10.23 | Lunessa | Kaelten: I finally installed the Curse client to see what all the hoopla was about. It's pretty slick, but it doesn't detect multiple WoW Installs. |
| 18:10.57 | kd3 | is the data-mining addon finally opt-in instead of opt-out? |
| 18:11.33 | Lunessa | Curse Profiler = Opt In - it was asked during install. |
| 18:11.58 | Lunessa | I did have to answer an installer question instead of mindlessly clicking next. |
| 18:12.49 | alestane | kneeki: The keybind can't show or hide a frame directly. What you can do, however, is use SetBindingClick, or a Bindings.xml click binding (See Demonomicon for an example) to make the keybind directly click the secure button. |
| 18:13.37 | kneeki | Then use the secure button to show or hide all the buttons in an i loop? |
| 18:13.44 | alestane | Then you have to do something like secureActionBar:SetAttribute('_onclick', [[if self:IsShown() then self:Hide() else self:Show() end]]) |
| 18:13.53 | kneeki | Because I'm using a keybinding to show or hide the secure button now |
| 18:15.48 | alestane | How? Through something like <Binding>if ClassButtons_StealthButton:IsShown() then ClassButtons_StealthButton:Hide() else ClassButtons_StealthButton:Show() end</Binding>? |
| 18:16.46 | kneeki | alestane, http://www.wowi.pastey.net/113576 |
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| 18:17.32 | kneeki | And http://www.wowi.pastey.net/113577 is the function it calls |
| 18:17.58 | Kaelten | kd3: yep, i finally got that pushed through |
| 18:18.06 | kneeki | The Lua had quite a few differnet things I was trying out |
| 18:18.08 | Kaelten | Lunessa: it won't auto detect them |
| 18:19.14 | Lunessa | Kaelten: Yeah, it did a good job of finding my primary copy and managing my AddOns. It's pretty slick and useful. It found an alpha version of YATA for me. Good job. |
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| 18:21.17 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.24 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 18:21.28 | Kirov | The one thing I don't like about the Curse Client is that it won't download my addons from WoWMatrix's site. |
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| 18:21.33 | Kirov | ducks |
| 18:21.37 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 18:22.44 | TopaZ | Hello, i have problem, i cant find Clearfon 2 anymore, cant dl it... :( |
| 18:22.54 | alestane | kneeki: That style of binding is fundamentally insecure. |
| 18:23.05 | kneeki | alestane, Oh.. =( |
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| 18:23.07 | Antiarc | It's not available for DL anymore due to copyright issues with the fonts it included. |
| 18:23.21 | TopaZ | so theres no addon like it anymore? |
| 18:23.27 | kneeki | self:SetBindingClick(true, "ESCAPE", "Demonomicon", "LeftButton"); |
| 18:23.27 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.41 | alestane | Not quite. |
| 18:23.44 | TopaZ | i mean, i cant read that font in game |
| 18:23.50 | alestane | One second, I'm pulling it up. |
| 18:24.08 | kneeki | Thanks for all your help |
| 18:24.09 | Antiarc | I wrote one called Fontain that's similar, and there's tekticles, which is extremely simple |
| 18:24.40 | TopaZ | oh, cool ill check it :) |
| 18:24.51 | alestane | kneeki: I had to create the bindings like this: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/113578 |
| 18:25.13 | mhoy06 | I'm looking for a source that would hopefully help me figure out how to get zone information from the game, anyone know? |
| 18:25.15 | TopaZ | how i find fontain |
| 18:25.25 | ckknight | Kirov: lawl |
| 18:25.26 | kneeki | alestane, Oh, I see |
| 18:25.30 | Kaelten | Kirov: that could be arranged..... |
| 18:25.44 | alestane | That way the keypresss translates directly into a click on the button. |
| 18:25.46 | ckknight | we gotta convince the authors hosting on wowmatrix to come host on curse |
| 18:26.10 | TopaZ | So where do i find this Fontain |
| 18:26.11 | kneeki | alestane, Yeah, that's neat! |
| 18:26.28 | Antiarc | Maybe we should arrange a campaign to message authors on wowmatrix |
| 18:26.31 | Antiarc | And ask them to host on curse |
| 18:26.46 | Antiarc | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fontain |
| 18:26.48 | Hirsute | Am I sensing some sarcasm here? |
| 18:26.50 | alestane | kneeki: Then, you can use the button's click action to show and hide itself securely. |
| 18:27.15 | TopaZ | thanks |
| 18:27.37 | Kraftman | Rufus Fontain on MYSpace Music |
| 18:27.41 | Kraftman | o.O |
| 18:27.51 | Dagmar | Cover your ears. |
| 18:27.59 | TopaZ | Wow! Looks way cooler than CF! |
| 18:28.42 | kneeki | alestane, I'm a bit confused yet. I would not put the loop between: 'do end' would I? |
| 18:28.43 | TopaZ | anyone know any good addon that shows buffs i have, i used Bison but its old... |
| 18:28.58 | Kraftman | Buffed! ;) |
| 18:29.04 | Dagmar | TopaZ: That depends on whether or not you have the money the kidnappers want |
| 18:29.13 | Kirov | Kaelten - Actually, one thing I wish the curse client was a little smarter about was multiple wow installs. I take care of addons on my fiancee's computer as well as mine using the curse client's multiple configurations. It's not that it takes long to do it, but it just seems oddly inefficient to watch the same addon get downloaded twice. |
| 18:29.26 | alestane | kneeki: The "do end" is a peculiarity of the code that parses the Bindings.xml file. |
| 18:29.41 | alestane | The parser requires that there be something in there or it ignores the binding. |
| 18:29.49 | nicoli_s | kirov, pass that on to our devs in the support forum, we are always looking for suggestions |
| 18:29.51 | Kaelten | Kirov: there are a few of those things like that, that could be done better |
| 18:30.03 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: but i'm right here. |
| 18:30.05 | kneeki | alestane, Ah |
| 18:30.07 | Etanol | ~kirov |
| 18:30.13 | Dagmar | Kirov: Squid proxy |
| 18:30.33 | Kirov | It's one of those fringe features that won't effect 99% of the users. |
| 18:30.40 | alestane | If your buttons are parented to a bar that is being shown and hidden, no for loop is required, because children of a hidden frame are also hidden. |
| 18:31.02 | kneeki | So, I would then set my button:SetBindingClick(true, CLASSBUTTONS_STEALTHTSHOW) ? |
| 18:31.17 | kneeki | alestane, Yeah, I just got a lot going through my head trying to understand this |
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| 18:31.39 | kneeki | or... hmm damnit |
| 18:31.54 | kneeki | I would have the function within the Bindings.xml file, under name="" ? |
| 18:32.00 | TopaZ | 1 last question, wich takes up more memory, SexyMap or Chincilla? |
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| 18:33.15 | Kaelten | can someone go inform this guy |
| 18:33.16 | Kaelten | http://wow.curse.com/forums/p/94594/467584.aspx#467584 |
| 18:33.18 | Etanol | TopaZ: probably sexymap since it got animation and more layouts |
| 18:33.18 | kneeki | ohhh |
| 18:33.20 | Lunessa | TopaZ: Doesn't matter/ |
| 18:33.27 | kneeki | _G["BINDING_NAME_CLICK PetFrame:LeftButton"] = '"Click" Pet Button' |
| 18:33.33 | Kaelten | "Yes, even WoWmatrix that was stealing Curse bandwidth was better for the community than Curse is." |
| 18:33.34 | Antiarc | SexyMap is pretty light |
| 18:33.34 | Kaelten | .... |
| 18:33.35 | kneeki | That is just a localization |
| 18:33.45 | alestane | Basically. |
| 18:33.47 | Etanol | TopaZ: the difference is very small though, don't take it into consideration |
| 18:33.56 | Antiarc | SexyMap is using 357kb for me right now |
| 18:34.05 | Antiarc | And its memory usage is basically static |
| 18:34.16 | TopaZ | Oh well ill choose SexyMap |
| 18:34.40 | Lunessa | Haha.. AddOn Pokemon! "SexyMap, I choose YOU!" |
| 18:34.45 | Dagmar | Etanol: It's not a whole lot of RAM, the blps aren't very big and the animations are just code, not video |
| 18:35.06 | TopaZ | haha |
| 18:35.11 | Antiarc | Plus it uses all textures that already exist in the base WoW files :D |
| 18:35.12 | Etanol | Dagmar: still think chinchilla is smaller :P |
| 18:35.19 | Etanol | proably doesnt matter at all though |
| 18:35.29 | alestane | kneeki: You make a binding that clicks a button. That button inherits from SecureHandlerClickTemplate when it's created so that when it's clicked, it will securely execute the code contained as text in its '_onclick' attribute. That attribute should be a string containing code that shows or hides itself. When it is shown or hidden, its children will be as well, without a for loop. |
| 18:35.36 | Dagmar | Etanol: Yeah well, betweeh the two of them, it's somewhat of a useless point to worry about |
| 18:35.50 | Dagmar | Neither one uses up very much RAM at all |
| 18:36.03 | Etanol | Dagmar: I've said that, too. 3 times. |
| 18:36.10 | kneeki | alestane, Yup, I understand that... It's just the 'making it work' that I'm having trouble with :D |
| 18:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | Kaelten, if I had an account there, I would paste that guy in the face. |
| 18:36.18 | kneeki | I think I'm on to something though.. |
| 18:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | If Curse is so bad, he doesn't need an account there anymore, now does he? He obviously joined to troll, I'll kickban him. |
| 18:36.35 | alestane | kneeki: It's doable. Demonomicon is full of examples. |
| 18:36.46 | kneeki | alestane, Aye, skimming through your code now :D |
| 18:37.33 | Etanol | haha |
| 18:37.56 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy, Kaelten - I should just go punch him in the nose. It's not like Curse is going to give me a forum ban... |
| 18:38.05 | Etanol | I like to think that people like Blurr are also Creationists and stuff |
| 18:38.29 | Kaelten | heh |
| 18:38.41 | Kaelten | I'm looking at implementing a drama policy. |
| 18:38.48 | Kaelten | similar to what wowace has |
| 18:38.56 | Etanol | define drama policy |
| 18:38.57 | Dagmar | Etanol: It's not their fault they only have one set of grandparents |
| 18:39.00 | Nuckin | anyone play with process priority in Windows? |
| 18:39.24 | Etanol | Dagmar: huh? |
| 18:39.30 | Hirsute | Nuckin: Occasionally |
| 18:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: nah, don't even bother. Just ban the smacktards with the only reason being "I don't like you, goodbye" |
| 18:39.32 | Thunder_Child | inbreeding |
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| 18:40.32 | Dashkal | Kaelten: I'm gonna have to agree with sbo here. This has been allowed long enough. |
| 18:40.35 | Nuckin | Hirsute: do you know if upping a process's priority will lower the probability that say my MP3 playback will stutter? |
| 18:41.04 | Dashkal | Reason: Unsubstantiated claims. Bring proof or STFU |
| 18:41.12 | TopaZ | What about Scrolling Combat Text, old too, any newer ones? |
| 18:41.14 | Hirsute | Nuckin: I've never tried it with mp3s... so I'm not sure. I do it when I've got number crunching going on and want it done faster. |
| 18:41.17 | TopaZ | similiar i mean |
| 18:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | Post a notice that you will start kickbanning for trolling as of 6pm today. And then just dooooo it. |
| 18:41.20 | Dashkal | and do it publicly. "User was banned for this post" |
| 18:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy's suggestion is probably better |
| 18:41.46 | Dashkal | They'll go whine elsewhere about how "Curse is stifling the truth!". But they'll do it elsewhere |
| 18:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | Gives them a few hours, you can't say you didn't warn them, and then just go postal on them. |
| 18:42.56 | Dagmar | The blues are finally doing something to humiliate trolls. |
| 18:43.01 | Dagmar | Take back the forums! |
| 18:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | They are? |
| 18:43.05 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 18:43.08 | Dashkal | <3 Zarhym |
| 18:43.15 | Dashkal | <3 Eyonix |
| 18:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | Zarhym kicks ass, I adore him. |
| 18:43.21 | Etanol | haha |
| 18:43.21 | Dashkal | Those two in particular |
| 18:43.46 | Dashkal | lesse if I can remember this "Amazing. Now that people /who aren't you/ have completed Ulduar, you have nothing to do." |
| 18:43.52 | TopaZ | Heey, is there addon like scrolling combat text, but updated one |
| 18:43.57 | durcyn | TopaZ: MSBT |
| 18:44.01 | Etanol | Curse defenition: "Their main goal is to make money off of the WoW community, which they're doing" |
| 18:44.02 | Etanol | hehe |
| 18:44.03 | Etanol | such insight |
| 18:44.11 | TopaZ | has own damage too? |
| 18:44.13 | Dashkal | omg! A business that wants to make money! |
| 18:44.24 | Dashkal | Evil! The internets are supposed to be free! |
| 18:44.28 | Etanol | surely websites can't cost |
| 18:44.42 | Dashkal | Free! With my every whim catered to! |
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| 18:45.40 | Etanol | Kaelten: could you give out Blurr's email adress? ^^ |
| 18:46.02 | Thunder_Child | or better yet his IP |
| 18:46.25 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 18:49.01 | kneeki | alestane, I'm attempting to set the binding to the invis button: stealth:SetBindingClick(CLASSBUTTONS_STEALTHTSHOW, ClassButtons_StealthButton, "LeftButton") |
| 18:49.18 | kneeki | alestane, But got the error that 'SetBindingClick' (a nil value) |
| 18:50.18 | alestane | You do not need both SetBindingClick and a <Binding> in an XML file. |
| 18:50.28 | kneeki | .. oh |
| 18:50.30 | kneeki | *bonk* |
| 18:50.41 | kneeki | But, then why do you? |
| 18:51.06 | kneeki | I guess you're using them for different reasons |
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| 18:52.52 | Nuckin | Hirsute: seems to be working, heh |
| 18:52.54 | alestane | I use SetBindingClick from *inside* secure code (where it works a little differently) to temporarily assign and release a binding. |
| 18:54.09 | kneeki | Hmm, I see |
| 18:56.08 | kneeki | Well, I'm unsure how to get the binding assigned to the function then. I assume I have to use SetAttribute(), but I've not found anything about it on the forums |
| 18:57.41 | kneeki | ... |
| 18:57.44 | kneeki | SetBinding() ? |
| 18:57.46 | kneeki | -_- |
| 18:58.20 | Zamoria | happy Star Wars Day |
| 18:58.25 | Zamoria | May the 4th be with you |
| 18:59.43 | Nuckin | tomorrow is windows 7 rc day, i'm saving my celebration for that |
| 18:59.43 | Nuckin | lol |
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| 18:59.46 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:59.58 | Zamoria | already got mine :P msdn 4tw |
| 19:00.00 | Esamynn | Nuckin: what ever for? |
| 19:00.36 | Nuckin | I snagged one of the MD5 checked torrents a week or two ago |
| 19:00.56 | alestane | kneeki: Set the code of the function, as text, as the "_onclick" attribute of the button that's bound to. |
| 19:01.13 | Nuckin | since install, I haven't rebooted to Vista once, the only issue I've run into is getting Ventrilo to work |
| 19:01.23 | Zamoria | i've only encountered three probs with win7 compared to vista: Wow crashes when i zone into dalaran; Sleep doesn't stay sleeping (it immediately wakes back up); and hl2 doesn't work. |
| 19:01.52 | kneeki | alestane, for the _onclick area, I'm using: stealth:SetAttribute('_onclick', [[ if self:IsShown() then self:Hide() else self:Show() end ]]) |
| 19:01.57 | kneeki | which I understand wel enough |
| 19:02.04 | Nuckin | I haven't tried any games really, I'm on a WoW hiatus until the semester is done |
| 19:02.13 | Esamynn | Win7, win7, CALL IT BY ITS REAL NAME! Vista SP2! ;) |
| 19:02.27 | Nuckin | pfft |
| 19:02.37 | foxlit | 7 < 10.6 |
| 19:02.43 | Nuckin | Vista = 6.0, Win7 = 6.1 |
| 19:02.44 | Esamynn | ~lart foxlit |
| 19:02.44 | purl | slaps foxlit upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:03.04 | Zamoria | Esamynn: and what happens when they actually come out with sp2 for vista? :P |
| 19:03.09 | foxlit | 7 < 10.5 too, for that matter. |
| 19:03.21 | Esamynn | Zamoria: you're assuming they will... |
| 19:03.23 | Nuckin | SP2 for vista is slated for later this month I think |
| 19:03.31 | Esamynn | they are lying |
| 19:03.35 | Zamoria | NO U! |
| 19:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | Me! |
| 19:03.48 | Nuckin | no, there are already SP2 beta packs |
| 19:03.59 | Esamynn | Nuckin: you misunderstand me |
| 19:04.16 | Esamynn | I'm not saying they are lying about something they are CALLING SP2 |
| 19:04.28 | Nuckin | http://www.winsupersite.com/vista/sp2_rc.asp |
| 19:04.34 | Esamynn | I'm just saying they are lying by CALLING it SP2 |
| 19:05.02 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 19:05.14 | Nuckin | honestly, Vista wasn't that bad of an OS, and Windows 7 takes it to a whole new level with performance and stability |
| 19:05.51 | Nuckin | I used to run Linux on all my machines and dual boot for gaming, now all my machines are migrating to Windows 7 except for my web server |
| 19:06.22 | Esamynn | sighs |
| 19:06.38 | Esamynn | Windows 7 brings Vista back to XP performance levels... |
| 19:06.46 | Esamynn | that's not a whole new level of performance |
| 19:06.50 | kneeki | Blargh! Why is SetBinding() a nil value? -_- |
| 19:07.03 | Zamoria | Esamynn: when you turn off aero it's faster than xp |
| 19:07.12 | kneeki | stealth:SetBinding(GetBindingKey("CLASSBUTTONS_STEALTHTSHOW"), [[ if self:IsShown() then self:Hide() else self:Show() end ]], "LeftButton") = nil value |
| 19:07.22 | Zamoria | and depending on your video card, aero won't have much of an impact |
| 19:07.24 | Nuckin | Esamynn: with the amount of features in windows 7, it performs better |
| 19:07.28 | Zamoria | (sadly it does for me) |
| 19:07.46 | alestane | I don't think GetBindingKey is available inside the secure sandbox. |
| 19:08.03 | Zamoria | hopefully they'll back port some of the performance improvements to vista |
| 19:08.03 | Esamynn | I'm talking about the performance of apps RUNNING ON the OS, not the GUI |
| 19:08.13 | Nuckin | Windows 7 is designed to be a viable XP-killer in the netbook market |
| 19:08.17 | kneeki | Then I doubt I'd be able to use a local variable for that eh? |
| 19:08.26 | NeoTron | funny thing is, I ran WoW under Windows 7 beta and had severe performance issues |
| 19:09.19 | durcyn | it's been fine for me under build 7000 |
| 19:09.22 | Nuckin | all of my desktop applications of day to day use run exceptionally in windows 7, have yet to install WoW |
| 19:09.24 | durcyn | what video card, NeoTron |
| 19:09.46 | NeoTron | GF 260 GTX |
| 19:10.00 | NeoTron | on a Core i7 940 |
| 19:10.10 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:10.14 | NeoTron | with a 2-disk raid0 |
| 19:10.33 | durcyn | weird. i've had zero isues with an i7 940 and gtx 285 |
| 19:10.34 | Kirov | Yeah, if Windows 7 didn't run well on that, there'd be problems. |
| 19:10.37 | NeoTron | basically I got extremely chunky loading and significantly worse "idle fps" when just looking out (away from) dalaran |
| 19:10.38 | Nuckin | NeoTron: nvidia's stable drivers are still practically beta on vista for that series of card |
| 19:10.58 | NeoTron | Nuckin: can't say I have any issues on Vista |
| 19:11.14 | durcyn | i'm using an areca raid controller instead of fakeraid, that's the only difference based on what you mentioned |
| 19:11.17 | Kirov | NeoTron - I get that in Vista w/ a Core2 Duo + 9800 GT |
| 19:11.25 | Nuckin | NeoTron: well my point is that the windows 7 drivers are practically alpha quality |
| 19:11.30 | durcyn | NeoTron: smackover board, or third party? |
| 19:11.31 | NeoTron | fair enough |
| 19:11.33 | Kirov | NeoTron - I don't think it's a Win7 issue, I think it's a WoW issue. |
| 19:11.38 | NeoTron | durcyn: huh? |
| 19:11.48 | NeoTron | Kirov: certainly possible |
| 19:11.55 | durcyn | NeoTron: is it the intel board, or no? |
| 19:12.00 | Esamynn | NeoTron: except for the raid0, your comp sounds very similar to my new one |
| 19:12.10 | alestane | kneeki: You're mix-and-matching techniques again. |
| 19:12.14 | Kirov | While in Dalaran, looking at the sky I get 30fps. As soon as I fly out I have 60 unless I'm raiding, and even then it's usually not below 40. |
| 19:12.31 | kneeki | ? |
| 19:12.34 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.36 | Kirov | I've been in Dalaran right after a server restart where I was one of 5 people online, still fucking slow. |
| 19:12.38 | durcyn | NeoTron: 'Smackover' is the codename for intel's DX58S0, i thought everyone knew that ={ |
| 19:12.56 | Nuckin | we have to remember though, windows 7 isn't slated for retail release until 2010Q1, so vendors have a lot of time to update and test drivers and Microsoft has ample time to tweak and bug squash |
| 19:13.32 | NeoTron | I don't think it's intel board |
| 19:13.39 | Nuckin | and remember, nvidia has to make their new drivers play with DX11 |
| 19:13.43 | alestane | kneeki: Do you actually need a binding's function to change dynamically? |
| 19:13.48 | kneeki | All of this makes sense while I'm thinking about the path I need to take, and even after reading how each function should work... But using them in practice just fails miserably |
| 19:13.55 | kneeki | alestane, Not at all |
| 19:14.08 | alestane | Then ignore SetBindingClick. |
| 19:14.32 | kneeki | alestane, I am, I'm using SetBinding() to set the key binding to whatever the player has chosen for their binding |
| 19:14.32 | foxlit | dx11 exists? |
| 19:14.42 | Antiarc | What's the best way to determine if a bag is a normal bag? |
| 19:14.42 | alestane | You don't need to. |
| 19:14.46 | Antiarc | Isn't there a flag somewhere? |
| 19:14.55 | NeoTron | lol |
| 19:15.13 | kneeki | alestane, Then how do I go about setting the binding to the button? |
| 19:15.27 | alestane | The Bindings.xml for Demonomicon can show you that,. |
| 19:15.39 | alestane | It just binds the key directly to the button. |
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| 19:16.04 | kneeki | alestane, In name="" ? |
| 19:16.13 | alestane | It was precisely because I didn't like that whole "save their useless binding and then rebind the key" rigmarole that I went through all this myself two years ago. |
| 19:16.56 | alestane | The Binding name should be something like name="CLICK MyStealthButton:LeftButton" |
| 19:17.13 | kneeki | oh em gee |
| 19:17.24 | kneeki | alestane, I read CLICK PetFrame:LeftButton, as a real world sentence |
| 19:17.29 | kneeki | and it made sense in my head |
| 19:17.30 | kneeki | -_- |
| 19:18.05 | alestane | It does make sense, but it needs to be the real name of the binding so that that's what gets saved in your Bindingd-cache.wtf. |
| 19:18.19 | kneeki | yeah |
| 19:19.08 | kneeki | alestane, It works!!! |
| 19:19.09 | kneeki | :D |
| 19:19.28 | alestane | Sing glas hosannas! |
| 19:19.30 | alestane | glad* |
| 19:20.39 | markl_ | where is a good place to go to discuss hardware, FPS kinds of issues? |
| 19:21.24 | alestane | It's not really this room's focus, but you can probably find someone here who will try to discuss it with you. |
| 19:22.33 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903652327&sid=1 frelling scary. |
| 19:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | The sheeple are lost without their frellin' one-button wonder. |
| 19:25.34 | Adys | PLEASE HELP ITS BURNING |
| 19:25.43 | alestane | Well, now I have to go out and start getting my job wrapped up. |
| 19:26.31 | Etanol | alestane: the question is how he figured he had to delete curse client to install a wowinterface addon |
| 19:26.54 | Etanol | :( |
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| 19:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | Mutually exclusive, the world would end if you used both! OmG |
| 19:29.17 | Dagmar | Almost as bad as the "Cunning pets for PvE? (MM)" thread. |
| 19:29.22 | Etanol | link |
| 19:29.32 | Dagmar | "The answer should be 'No, thank you.'" |
| 19:30.56 | markl_ | curse client is such a piece of crap, why |
| 19:31.18 | Etanol | haha |
| 19:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | YMMV, it works fine for me. |
| 19:31.34 | Dashkal | murr? Does the job for me as well. |
| 19:31.36 | Etanol | markl_: do tell |
| 19:31.49 | markl_ | they don't have a cedega compatible version |
| 19:32.05 | kd3 | blame the activex control for the ad |
| 19:32.05 | markl_ | so it is useless |
| 19:32.07 | kd3 | but yes, it is annoying |
| 19:32.13 | Dashkal | Ahh, there is that one. |
| 19:32.20 | markl_ | yeah activex == instant piece of crap |
| 19:32.21 | foxlit | I don't know about you, but my addons are all magically up to date. |
| 19:32.26 | foxlit | It's almost as if I edit them in place :/ |
| 19:33.25 | kd3 | bigger question, why are you using cedega? vanilla wine's been great for wow for a few years now |
| 19:33.59 | Dashkal | kd3: I'm seriously looking at a cedega subscription. Reason being steam. |
| 19:34.07 | kd3 | working aok in wine for me |
| 19:34.22 | kd3 | half life, tf2, portal... no problems |
| 19:34.23 | Dashkal | Cedega has better d3d support. Makes my half-life addiction smoother |
| 19:34.28 | Dashkal | huh, will have to check again |
| 19:34.40 | Dashkal | Cause the lack of that is what's kept XP on my system |
| 19:35.10 | Nuckin | Dashkal: Cedega is terrible |
| 19:35.20 | Xuerian | kd3: They making any progress on gary's mod actually working in wine? |
| 19:35.38 | kd3 | I could see the point about cedega a few years ago (used to have a subscription) but I don't see it now |
| 19:35.39 | kd3 | dunno |
| 19:35.42 | kd3 | tabs open the appdb |
| 19:36.01 | Dashkal | Nuckin: Care to back that up? |
| 19:36.04 | Etanol | um |
| 19:36.12 | Xuerian | has a good excuse, he's on a P2 600mhz using 2KB/s 1x/RTT :| |
| 19:36.20 | Dashkal | doesn't like "X sucks" statements without backup |
| 19:36.20 | kd3 | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=5217 |
| 19:36.27 | Etanol | Xuerian: Garry's Mod 11 has platinum rating on ubuntu jaunty with newest wine |
| 19:36.27 | kd3 | xue ^ |
| 19:36.50 | Dashkal | ooo, I'm gonna have to install that this week and see how it does. |
| 19:36.51 | Shirik | X is awesome |
| 19:36.54 | Shirik | KDE is awesome |
| 19:37.01 | Dashkal | <3 KDE |
| 19:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | pounce-tickles Shirik. |
| 19:37.06 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 19:37.06 | Xuerian | kd3: Thanks, Etanol: Friend of mine will be pleased with that then |
| 19:37.13 | Dashkal | Especially 4.2. They _finally_ made the networking not suck |
| 19:37.14 | kd3 | ick. gimme xfce any day |
| 19:37.22 | Xuerian | Shirik: Tabs are awesome |
| 19:37.32 | Dashkal | Though the sound conflicting with wine gets on my last nerve |
| 19:37.37 | Xuerian | readies his riot shield. |
| 19:37.38 | Etanol | I don't like KDE :( |
| 19:37.38 | markl_ | i just updated to a SSD disk and Ubuntu 9.04 - so awesome |
| 19:37.39 | Nuckin | Dashkal: it isn't updated enough to warrant subscription |
| 19:37.46 | Nuckin | Dashkal: use Crossover office |
| 19:37.47 | kd3 | wine+pulse still needs work |
| 19:37.50 | markl_ | can't wait for this linux mint round |
| 19:37.50 | Dashkal | Nuckin: mmm, fair enough there. |
| 19:37.50 | Shirik | Xuerian: tabs? |
| 19:37.51 | kd3 | but it is doable |
| 19:38.01 | Etanol | when I get KDE it also installs 20 other applications that I do not want... |
| 19:38.12 | kd3 | that's because kde is a full desktop environment |
| 19:38.14 | Dashkal | kd3: Got a tutorial or magic google phrase to get me started? I'd love to solve this |
| 19:38.18 | kd3 | it'd be the same thing with gnome |
| 19:38.23 | Nuckin | KDE = bloat, get XFCE :) |
| 19:38.26 | Xuerian | Shirik: For indentation, of course |
| 19:38.30 | Nuckin | or Fluxbox |
| 19:38.37 | Shirik | what does that have to do with KDE o.O |
| 19:38.51 | Xuerian | Shirik: Nothing at all, was just baiting you. :) |
| 19:38.59 | Etanol | im happy with my compiz/gnome/gtk2+/awn/conky setup |
| 19:39.08 | Dashkal | Eh, extra software doesn't bug me at all. A TB of hd space kind of helps there |
| 19:39.16 | Dashkal | This isn't an embeded box |
| 19:39.21 | Dashkal | And I <3 Plasma |
| 19:39.33 | Dashkal | WTB Plasma in windows (still not quite ready, but VERY promising) |
| 19:39.36 | kd3 | http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup is a good place to start |
| 19:40.05 | Dashkal | kd3: Ahh, thanks muchly |
| 19:40.23 | Xuerian | I ended up ditching pulse and using OSS on the last ubuntu build, couldn't get low-latency output working in games. They fixed it up to where it doesn't suck yet? |
| 19:40.30 | Nuckin | Etanol: awn is so bug ridden, and I think the project was abandoned |
| 19:40.59 | kd3 | it's low-latency enough for me here. I'm not noticing the lag I used to |
| 19:41.01 | kd3 | is on fedora 10 |
| 19:41.05 | Dagmar | Pulse is not something you should bother with for production stuff yet |
| 19:41.08 | Dashkal | I'd happily just tell wine to use alsa, but even that caused latency in anything using pulse |
| 19:41.24 | Dashkal | "production stuff". I'm just a gamer, not an audio shop. |
| 19:41.42 | Nuckin | ESD = happiness |
| 19:41.47 | kd3 | shudders |
| 19:41.49 | Dagmar | Video games or not, if you _want it to work correctly_ and not just "mostly work", it's a "production environment" |
| 19:42.08 | Dashkal | Enlightenment... It's a cool idea, but lacks the developers to really realize that in anything but a geological timescale |
| 19:42.18 | Dashkal | Dagmar: "mostly work" is fine to me |
| 19:42.18 | kd3 | as soon as wine actually starts shipping with pulse support it'll get a lot better |
| 19:42.40 | Dashkal | Hrm, wonder if there are any patches for that floating around git yet |
| 19:42.41 | Dagmar | We were trying to swap out ESD for Pulse with Dropline |
| 19:42.45 | kd3 | there are |
| 19:42.50 | Dagmar | We found out the hard way. |
| 19:42.51 | kd3 | fedora uses it in its build of wine |
| 19:42.53 | Dashkal | I should play with that |
| 19:43.06 | Dashkal | wonder if anybody can convince ubuntu to do the same |
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| 19:43.11 | kd3 | is not using the aforementioned patch, though |
| 19:43.35 | Dashkal | I'll poke at it. I'm just looking for an excuse to banish XP. And Windows 7 is not touching my linux box. |
| 19:43.48 | Dagmar | Oh come on |
| 19:43.50 | Dashkal | If I'm forced to use windows 7, it's gonna be on dedicated hardware |
| 19:44.02 | Dagmar | They're giving it away for free for a year so you can get nice and hooked, er, I mean acclimated |
| 19:44.05 | Dashkal | Trust = nil |
| 19:44.26 | Dagmar | Still, if the "every other release" rule holds, Windows 7 might not suck |
| 19:44.37 | Dagmar | We'll just have to wait for W7SP2 |
| 19:44.45 | kd3 | dash; http://wowi.pastey.net/113586 <-- shipped with the wine-pulse package |
| 19:45.04 | Dashkal | I'm expecting it to be half decent as far as windows is concerned. It's the whole protected content crap I want to keep off my system. |
| 19:45.24 | Nuckin | I'm already sold on Windows 7 |
| 19:45.33 | Xuerian | Dagmar: It doesn't suck, currently. It's awkward to get used to, but suck isn't anything I'd use to describe it |
| 19:46.01 | Dagmar | Well, that's a relief |
| 19:46.17 | Nuckin | Xuerian: I agree fully |
| 19:46.18 | Dashkal | mmm, that ALSA->Pulse solution looks low impact (though it might add noticable latency) |
| 19:46.24 | Xuerian | Dashkal: Until (And if) the accompanying hardware hits, the only performance hit I can think of is the one for using a sound system similar to Pulse (Which is awesome) |
| 19:47.00 | Dashkal | I've yet to actually do the research to find out why I should care about Pulseaudio etc |
| 19:47.27 | Xuerian | Volume on individual applications. Biggest example: Your browser. |
| 19:47.34 | Dagmar | Because at some point you might want to use hot-pluggable audio decides |
| 19:47.37 | Dagmar | er devices |
| 19:47.52 | Dashkal | Xuerian: It supports that? Oh, time to start digging through docs and such |
| 19:47.56 | kd3 | it does |
| 19:48.00 | Dashkal | shakes his fist at flash |
| 19:48.04 | Dagmar | Neither ALSA nor OSS currently handle this 100% correctly or terribly well, and it's an architecure issue on both counts |
| 19:48.07 | kd3 | and if you have multiple devices you can say 'put this on your headset, that on your speakers' |
| 19:48.15 | Esamynn | Dashkal: I hold to the, they get it "right" on the third try rule |
| 19:48.36 | Dashkal | kd3: that's a point that would matter more if wine/ventrilo actually let me use hotkeys (lemme guess, there's something I can tweak to make that problem go away too) |
| 19:48.44 | Dagmar | ...and you'll be able to do things like unplug your headset without having the app that was using it vomit up a pile of errors or halt the system |
| 19:48.47 | kd3 | not yet. I still can't get my mic to work right |
| 19:48.54 | Dashkal | bleh |
| 19:48.55 | kd3 | but I can hear wow/vent on my headset just fine |
| 19:49.01 | kd3 | and music over my regular speakers |
| 19:49.10 | Xuerian | Dashkal: AFAIK it does, I know that's why I was comparing it to vista/7's audio system |
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| 19:49.17 | Dashkal | Well, reason to keep a second box nearby. We use vent socially in preference to guild chat. So the ability to speak is important |
| 19:49.18 | kd3 | hasn't had a mic in years. it's not a big deal to him that he can't talk on vent |
| 19:49.46 | calrik__ | any news yet about a vent client for linux? |
| 19:49.52 | Dashkal | snorts |
| 19:49.53 | kd3 | no |
| 19:49.55 | Dashkal | I honestly hope not |
| 19:49.59 | kd3 | it's not happening in my lifetime |
| 19:49.59 | Dashkal | flagship is evil |
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| 19:50.16 | calrik__ | meh nvm I can get vent to work ok under wine |
| 19:50.25 | Dagmar | You're more likely to get support through some SIP application befor eyou'll see a native ventrilo client |
| 19:50.31 | Dashkal | I really hate vent anyway. Just that everybody uses it so I can't escape it. |
| 19:50.34 | calrik__ | with about of tweaking |
| 19:50.36 | markl_ | why did people stop using teamspeak? |
| 19:50.37 | kd3 | there are some keybinding scripts for vent in wine that supposedly work |
| 19:50.37 | kneeki | Is it possible to Click() a secure frame using Lua? |
| 19:50.50 | Xuerian | I don't like the company, but damn the client works smoothly. |
| 19:50.52 | markl_ | i guess teamspeak was too open and compatible with everything |
| 19:50.55 | Dagmar | kneeki: Isn't that the point? |
| 19:50.56 | Dashkal | markl_: Teamspeak allowed themselves to get passed by vent without a quick response. |
| 19:50.57 | markl_ | can't have that :( |
| 19:51.05 | Dashkal | vent is easier |
| 19:51.06 | foxlit | kneeki: you can :Click(); it'll fail. |
| 19:51.07 | durcyn | Mumble needs to take over the world |
| 19:51.07 | Xuerian | On windows at least. |
| 19:51.08 | markl_ | vent is still not usable at all though |
| 19:51.10 | calrik__ | yer I can listnen in vent sometimes push to talk doesnt work but Im like you dont really need to speak |
| 19:51.12 | Dashkal | durcyn: agreed |
| 19:51.21 | kneeki | Dagmar, It might be... |
| 19:51.23 | Dashkal | markl_: It's usable out of the box "enough". Which is all that's needed |
| 19:51.47 | Dashkal | Do consider the average wow player. They don't want to mess with stuff, they just want their talky thing to work |
| 19:51.48 | Dagmar | kneeki: Part of the reason those things are the way they are is to prevent lua-bots |
| 19:51.53 | calrik__ | well no more windows for me and I couldnt be happier |
| 19:52.14 | kneeki | Dagmar, I understand that. =) |
| 19:52.25 | calrik__ | Im over vista and xp has come of age I think |
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| 19:52.26 | Dashkal | calrik__: as I mentioned, I require PTT to work. My guild uses vent socially. |
| 19:52.46 | Dashkal | Short of some scripting crap that takes more effort than I'm willing to put in, I'm stuck for now |
| 19:53.02 | markl_ | Dashkal: it is simply not usable at all |
| 19:53.13 | markl_ | unless you pay bill gates first. |
| 19:53.18 | Dashkal | Vent PTT works fine, the window just has to have focus. So with some scripting I could hook up a global key that just forwards it to the vent window |
| 19:53.22 | Dagmar | I prefer voice-activation. |
| 19:53.31 | Dashkal | I don't like having my sneezes go over vent |
| 19:53.41 | Lopeppeppy | Or my cat, or the kids. |
| 19:53.46 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 19:53.50 | calrik__ | agree on that |
| 19:53.55 | Dagmar | Well, it would be a waste of effort to burp into a dead mic, wouldn't it? |
| 19:53.59 | kd3 | Dashkal, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9832 |
| 19:54.23 | Dashkal | kd3: heh, seems it was worth the effort to someone |
| 19:54.39 | Dashkal | well, my excuses are all gone, time to do some experimenting over the next week |
| 19:55.03 | Dashkal | Not having to put so much effort into protecting my XP box will be a relief |
| 19:55.05 | calrik__ | Dashkal: yer same |
| 19:55.33 | Dagmar | Go go gadget linux firewall |
| 19:55.51 | Dashkal | Dagmar: Linksys router with custom firmware. That machine does not ever touch the internet naked |
| 19:55.58 | calrik__ | I have to say the latest ubuntu is very polished and alot of shit working straight up with out needing much mucking around at all |
| 19:56.04 | Dashkal | DD-WRT atm (I know, I know, Tomato is better, but this works) |
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| 19:56.28 | calrik__ | the latest suse different story |
| 19:56.29 | Dagmar | P4 2Ghz firewall with 1Gb RAM, Squid, Snort, and a wholle lotta blacklisting |
| 19:56.45 | Dagmar | Blacklisting China and Russia is soo nice |
| 19:57.09 | Dashkal | I have about 2 ports allowed into my network. SSH and Half-Life 2 |
| 19:57.16 | Dashkal | And the latter is usually off |
| 19:57.20 | Dagmar | ...plus the caching nameserver and squid make the web appear to be much zippier |
| 19:57.47 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Don't ignore filtering outbound |
| 19:57.48 | Dashkal | Bonus, port 22 is blocked. mmm, extra Port lines in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:58.07 | Dashkal | Dagmar: Not an issue for me. I'm actively monitoring my two machines for malware. |
| 19:58.13 | Dagmar | Meh. I throttle the number of connections to 22 |
| 19:58.16 | Dashkal | Two is reasonable to keep an eye on |
| 19:58.30 | calrik__ | my next project is getting adobe cs 4 working well under wine and then I swear will never need to touch windows again |
| 19:58.34 | Dashkal | I just don't want people doing dictionary attacks against 22 for the root password. (also, mmm, ubuntu and no root password) |
| 19:58.43 | Dagmar | Hence, throttling their connections |
| 19:59.06 | Dashkal | I just have my remote machines keep an entry for my home box in their .ssh/config. Don't even have to think about the port |
| 19:59.12 | Dagmar | Over here you get the password right during the first connection attempt, or your subsequent connection will result in your IP being blackholed for 60s. |
| 19:59.17 | Dagmar | Stops brute force attackers dead. |
| 19:59.37 | Dashkal | nice |
| 19:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | sounds like a RAID commercial |
| 19:59.57 | Dashkal | I should actually just kill password connections period. Stick an extra ssh key on my usb stick |
| 20:00.25 | Lunessa | OMG... Someone here just asked for support with a box running Windows ME. |
| 20:00.44 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 20:00.54 | Dashkal | suffers a kernel oops |
| 20:01.25 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 20:01.28 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Get them an Ubuntu CD, stat |
| 20:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, shoot them in the head, that's the best support you can offer right now. |
| 20:01.38 | Lunessa | Dagmar: No. |
| 20:01.41 | Nuckin | Windows ME hasn't been exterminated yet?! quick get out your genocide guns! |
| 20:01.50 | Dagmar | It's _way_ past EOL |
| 20:01.51 | calrik__ | windows me Im suprised they havent killed themselves already |
| 20:02.05 | Dagmar | It shouldn't be much trouble at all to pop in an Ubuntu CD and just run the machine off that |
| 20:02.23 | Lunessa | If they can't figure out file permissions and accounts in Windows, teaching them any flavor of *nix is going to hurt. |
| 20:02.24 | Dashkal | hrm, I think I might need a caching DNS server... blue.mmo-champion.com keeps having temporary failures |
| 20:02.30 | calrik__ | yes even running ubuntu live > windows me |
| 20:02.41 | Dagmar | This is why you give them Ubuntu with it's shiny, candylike browser button |
| 20:02.47 | Dashkal | Lunessa: Ubuntu with one account, no password, and auto-login. |
| 20:03.11 | Dagmar | I mean, come on, they were using Me. It's not like you're going to have to make sure they can still use Outlook Communicator 2008r2 |
| 20:03.14 | Lunessa | Actually... I need a flavor for my old XP box.... |
| 20:03.42 | Etanol | Dashkal: whaat? |
| 20:04.20 | Dashkal | Etanol: Which comment did I lose you on? |
| 20:04.37 | Etanol | some crazy idea about no root pwd and autologin |
| 20:04.53 | Dashkal | Etanol: As an improvement over Windows ME for a user that would use Windows ME? Yes |
| 20:05.09 | Etanol | windows is crap |
| 20:05.20 | Etanol | you realize that once you let go of it |
| 20:05.21 | Dashkal | Passwords do not help that kind of user. They just get written on a stickynote that gets put on the monitor |
| 20:05.54 | Etanol | why windows me of all window os'es? |
| 20:05.59 | Dashkal | Might wanna blacklist any package that offers remote logins, though. Just blacklist em outright so they can't hang themselves. |
| 20:06.05 | Shirik | pokes Lunessa with a http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 20:06.17 | Dagmar | #35 gets you a thumbprint scanner for Windows that pretty much eliminates that |
| 20:06.26 | Lunessa | Ballmer peaks |
| 20:06.35 | Etanol | that xkcd is epic :) |
| 20:07.13 | Lunessa | Apparently the user got a deal on the computer and it had ME *shudder* |
| 20:07.27 | Shirik | did the customer get paid to take it? |
| 20:08.44 | Etanol | I wouldn't even care to boot an ME machine :/ |
| 20:08.47 | Etanol | too much trauma |
| 20:09.18 | Etanol | I'd rather have Plan 9 |
| 20:09.19 | Spellbinder | me wtf lol |
| 20:09.33 | Spellbinder | i thought they burnet all of them |
| 20:09.48 | Dagmar | "Windows ME has detected that you have plugged in a USB printer. Would you like to crash, bluescreen, or merely shutdown without warning?" |
| 20:09.51 | calrik__ | wouldnt even put my coffee on the disk |
| 20:10.06 | amro | Dagmar: no HNCF? |
| 20:10.14 | calrik__ | my coffee would sure get a bug lol |
| 20:10.15 | Shirik | ~wiki HNCF |
| 20:10.17 | Dagmar | That's H-M-C-F. |
| 20:10.25 | Dagmar | Halt, Melt, Catch Fire. |
| 20:10.38 | Shirik | Is that like lp0: Printer on fire |
| 20:10.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:10.45 | amro | did they add the melt functionality in a service pack? |
| 20:10.49 | Dagmar | Yeah, except it far pre-dates that |
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| 20:11.18 | amro | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire |
| 20:11.30 | Dagmar | HMCF hails from the days of when typing in all-caps was considered acceptable because our bytes only had seven bits. ;) |
| 20:11.54 | AbsolutRayne | Having higher fishing skill should increase the chance that my bobber actually lands on the school im fishing for. |
| 20:12.49 | kamdis | agreed. |
| 20:13.35 | Dagmar | Strange, I could have sworn that the BYTE article listed it as HMCF like the ascii doc |
| 20:13.35 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 20:13.40 | Spellbinder | agreed |
| 20:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | Fishing skill effects where the bobber lands? |
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| 20:13.56 | Spellbinder | or what i am able to catch |
| 20:13.56 | kamdis | No, it *should* |
| 20:14.21 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, chinch doesnt save zoom level. bug? |
| 20:15.13 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: auto zoom module? |
| 20:15.20 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, diabled |
| 20:15.23 | Thunder_Child | disabled* |
| 20:15.26 | ckknight | dunno, then |
| 20:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, *should* |
| 20:15.30 | Lopeppeppy | I can agree with that. |
| 20:15.38 | kamdis | :) |
| 20:15.53 | Etanol | hm |
| 20:15.56 | Shirik | why, so kamdis can be lazy and do 1 click 1 click? |
| 20:16.10 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yes, but I can too. |
| 20:16.13 | Dashkal | Meh, I wish there were more of these people speaking up in the EJ is making wow suck thread. They hit the nail on the thread. Maximizing your personal playstyle > cookie cutter |
| 20:16.40 | Lopeppeppy | I hear you, Daskhal... not every guild can be pros, and that's the bottom line. |
| 20:16.49 | Lopeppeppy | I am a mature female creature, not a dps robot. |
| 20:17.00 | Torhal | Indeed. I pay $15/month to play a game, not do everything the way my raid leader tells me to. |
| 20:17.14 | kamdis | Indeed. |
| 20:17.29 | Dagmar | Don't blame EJ. |
| 20:17.39 | Dashkal | Example: I still DPS as a Blood spec. I do much more DPS that way than I would so in the unholy cookie cutter. I'm enjoying myself and not holding back the guild. But there's a legion of idiots (fortunately not in my guild) who would dismiss me out of turn because of that |
| 20:17.40 | kamdis | But, there is something to be said for some "cookie cutter" builds, etc. |
| 20:17.55 | kamdis | What? |
| 20:17.57 | kamdis | Blood's great. |
| 20:18.04 | kamdis | Been rockin' it since 3.1 |
| 20:18.06 | kamdis | :) |
| 20:18.13 | Dagmar | Blame the idiot kiddies who take everything published on EJ, turn it into dogma, and then try to denigrate and/or discredit anyone who deviates from it |
| 20:18.28 | Etanol | Dashkal: why haven't you tried 2h unholy spec? |
| 20:18.32 | Etanol | it's fun |
| 20:18.34 | Dashkal | I agree, but the math I've seen says that unholy beats it by a bit. Some twits don't understand that well enough to understand how I can be effective as blood. |
| 20:18.40 | AckisWork | Dashkal: most of those "idiots" that I've encountered ask me why my spec is like that before calling me an idiot... if you have a valid answer generally they don't QQ too much. |
| 20:18.44 | Dashkal | Etanol: I have, and I disagree with you on fun. I prefer blood :D |
| 20:18.45 | Dagmar | ...like the jackass I saw earlier claiming there was "never" a reason for a hunter to gem for ap/int/sta |
| 20:18.48 | kamdis | it does, by a bit. |
| 20:19.03 | Dashkal | AckisWork: Well, I don't get challenged much since I'm pretty adverse to pugging |
| 20:19.08 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.08 | Etanol | Dashkal: ok ^^ glyph of disease ? |
| 20:19.08 | calrik__ | I have always preferred blood but my dk not quiet 80 yet |
| 20:19.19 | Dagmar | He went from EJ's recommendation that SV hunters just gem focused on agiility, to something far less flexible or useful |
| 20:19.20 | calrik__ | levelling as blood is good |
| 20:19.20 | kamdis | But we have an Unholy DK i reaid with. It's be a waste not to 1) enjoy playing Blood and 2) miss out on the buffs it gives too. |
| 20:19.27 | Dashkal | And as I impled, my guild is a good one. They'll let me try any spec I like as I go for my own personal optimal |
| 20:19.54 | kamdis | Take the player not the class (or spec!) |
| 20:20.00 | Dashkal | sheds a tear for blood tanking |
| 20:20.08 | Lunessa | *sigh* Acrobat vulnerabilities... again. A sysadmins job is never done. |
| 20:20.11 | Dashkal | It may be viable to some people, but I is squishy |
| 20:20.16 | Etanol | Dashkal: they shouldn't complain since you boost alot in blood spec.. |
| 20:20.20 | calrik__ | Dashkal: my guild like that but I did get kicked from an Ulduar pug the other day because my hunter wasnt cookie cutter |
| 20:20.21 | Dagmar | Switch to frost and you can take aggro from the level 80 paladin while your'e level 77. ;) |
| 20:20.30 | Dashkal | Etanol: Oh we're a lil melee heavy, so I've never had an argument |
| 20:20.45 | Dagmar | calrik__: Offer to duel the person claiming you're not doing enough DPS. ;) |
| 20:20.50 | Dashkal | Dagmar: for tanking I did switch. Even in my gear I can tank trash in Ulduar in that spec. As blood (at least the ones I've tried) I'm squishy in anxx |
| 20:20.54 | calrik__ | although in guild runs my dps is fine |
| 20:21.18 | calrik__ | Dagmar: funny thing was he was another hunter and think was pissed I refused to be sv mana battery |
| 20:21.33 | Dagmar | If that was a 25-man he's an idiot |
| 20:21.46 | calrik__ | selfish as it sounds Im not going to gimp myself to become battery |
| 20:21.50 | Dashkal | I am glad that they fixed the ebon plague not stacking issue. Once in awhile I do change things up and raid unholy. Now I'm not gimping the other unholy |
| 20:21.53 | calrik__ | thats what palladins are for :P |
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| 20:22.23 | Dashkal | Not as efficient that way, but I only do that for naxx. Can definitely get away with it |
| 20:22.24 | Dagmar | Once you've got two batteries, you've pretty muhc met the minimum requirement and it's almoat hard to not have two sources of mana regen in 10-man, let alone 25-man |
| 20:22.33 | End | well, you need a few sources of replenishment, but that's between you and your guild to figure out where you're going to get it from |
| 20:22.45 | End | yeah |
| 20:22.49 | calrik__ | seriously the two top dps in my guild are dks and one is unholy and the other is blood and they both output roughly the same dps with similiar gear... |
| 20:23.53 | Dashkal | calrik__: yeah, about my experience. We stay pretty neck and neck. He tends to out DPS me overall, but we're still 1 and 2. |
| 20:24.32 | kamdis | Our Rogue is kicking our (DKs) butts since the patch. |
| 20:24.44 | kamdis | like, 1k DPS or so. |
| 20:26.14 | NeoTron | kamdis: bad DK's or exceptional rogue? :P |
| 20:26.24 | calrik__ | yer I think rogues need to be top dps because otherwise they would just replaced by dks with there raid abilities |
| 20:26.39 | Shirik | I wonder how the doppler effect applies to electricity |
| 20:26.47 | Shirik | what is the "speed of electricity"? |
| 20:26.53 | nicoli_s | x |
| 20:26.59 | nicoli_s | where x is the speed of electricity |
| 20:27.04 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 20:27.13 | Dagmar | That depends on the density of space. |
| 20:27.29 | Shirik | Here's what I'm thinking |
| 20:27.40 | Shirik | Subways run on DC as far as I'm aware; it only makes sense |
| 20:27.50 | kamdis | Rogue who's played nothing but a Rogue since release. I'd say he's pretty exceptional. |
| 20:28.06 | kamdis | Because I don't think I'm that bad, and I know the other DK is good. |
| 20:28.22 | Shirik | But what if it were AC power? Then if the "speed of electricity" along that rail was slow enough, the frequency would change with respect to the car's speed |
| 20:28.34 | kamdis | This guys doesn't even have a alt. Not 1, except a level 3 warrior bank alt. |
| 20:28.44 | Dagmar | ...and the passengers would be a sticky paste on either end of the car due to the accelleration. |
| 20:28.45 | calrik__ | electricity is actually really slow |
| 20:29.01 | calrik__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity |
| 20:29.03 | Shirik | why would you say that Dagmar |
| 20:29.10 | calrik__ | 84mm an hour |
| 20:29.32 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 20:29.56 | Dagmar | Because you'd have to be traveling a few hundred miles an hour at least to see a doppler shift |
| 20:29.58 | calrik__ | unshielded is different story |
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| 20:30.24 | Shirik | now it if it's as slow as calrik__ states, Dagmar |
| 20:30.41 | Dagmar | It's not, because he's talking about sometehing different. |
| 20:30.45 | Shirik | Here we are |
| 20:30.50 | calrik__ | wait wiki saying in typical coaxial |
| 20:30.54 | Dagmar | You need wave propagation, i.e., _a wave_ to have a doppler shift. |
| 20:30.55 | Shirik | V = 1 / (QeR^2 * pi) |
| 20:31.02 | calrik__ | is about 66% the speed of light |
| 20:31.12 | NightHawkTheSane | kamdis: that guy must -love- being a rogue. |
| 20:31.14 | Shirik | ah yes, I really do want the propagation speed, Dagmar |
| 20:31.27 | Shirik | sorry that's not a 1, that's an I |
| 20:33.06 | Dagmar | I've spent way too much time worrying baout particle physics for someone who isn't a perma-student |
| 20:33.07 | calrik__ | are you talking about electrical current (ac/dc) or electromagnetic wave? |
| 20:33.28 | kamdis | NHTS, I guess so. he's certainly dedicated. and whiny about nerfs. :P |
| 20:33.34 | Shirik | technically, current, but neither really |
| 20:34.15 | Shirik | But, it's not the current's propagation speed we care about |
| 20:34.22 | Shirik | it's the voltage propagation |
| 20:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/wwdn/~3/GbmvOrY_r24/happy-jedi-day.html |
| 20:35.21 | Shirik | I have a scope at school, I should probably run these tests on my own |
| 20:35.32 | Shirik | unfortunately I don'th avppen to have a third rail floating around |
| 20:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i should probably have pasted the actual link, not some proxy link.. http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2009/05/happy-jedi-day.html |
| 20:38.06 | Torhal | Damn it. I want to be able to tell this guy on WoWI he's a douche, but I'm pretty sure Cairenn will kill me. |
| 20:38.10 | Torhal | :D |
| 20:38.24 | Cairenn | which what where huh? |
| 20:38.38 | Torhal | Oh, the Linux guy. "protolif" |
| 20:38.42 | Cairenn | ah |
| 20:38.44 | Cairenn | yeah, well |
| 20:38.47 | Torhal | Heh |
| 20:44.14 | Shirik | need advice on a good free bug tracking software |
| 20:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | bugzilla |
| 20:44.44 | Shirik | I've heard bad things about it |
| 20:44.46 | Shirik | is it actually good? |
| 20:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been using it for personal projects |
| 20:45.02 | Shirik | Can I set up my own workflow / security / roadmap? |
| 20:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Drop the perl scripts in a directory, make the database, done |
| 20:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I've just been using it for simple bug tracking |
| 20:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | security yes |
| 20:45.58 | Antiarc | I use Redmine |
| 20:46.01 | Antiarc | It's good |
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| 20:49.43 | foxlit | lua> t={1,2,3} table.insert(t,2,"a"); print(unpack(t)); |
| 20:49.44 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1, a, 2, 3 |
| 20:49.57 | Etanol | !api append |
| 20:49.58 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'append': GameTooltip:AppendText, AppendToFile |
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| 20:55.49 | Etanol | append should be addToEnd for complicity |
| 20:56.00 | Etanol | or is Append an english word |
| 20:56.15 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 20:56.19 | Etanol | oh |
| 20:56.23 | Etanol | nvm then ^^ |
| 20:56.33 | Etanol | simplicity* also |
| 20:57.09 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/append |
| 20:57.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ~dict append |
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| 20:57.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ~dict 3 append |
| 20:57.45 | Arrowmaster | Latin appendere or French appendre: compare with Old English appenden, apenden, to belong, Old French apendre, French appendre, from Latin appendēre, v.i., to hang to, appendêre, v.t., to hang to; ad + pendēre, v. i., to hang, pend[e^]re, v.t., to hang. See Pendant. |
| 20:57.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ~dict 4 append |
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| 21:10.44 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904071762&sid=1 |
| 21:11.27 | Cairenn | has ANYONE here received a C&D from Blizz for one of your mods? |
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| 21:11.39 | ZorbaTHut | I think most people here are following the rules, so we wouldn't have |
| 21:12.22 | foxlit | Quick, publish my for-pay "Giant log-out button" mod! |
| 21:12.26 | ZorbaTHut | if you want to pay my legal fees, I'll toss the donation message back in QH and we'll see what happens ;) |
| 21:12.34 | Hirsute | Not I. |
| 21:12.51 | Cairenn | this channel still remains as a huge chunk of the addon authors out there, so the fact that I've yet to hear a single one of you say that you've been C&D'd ... |
| 21:12.56 | Shirik | lol @ response #4 |
| 21:13.34 | Cairenn | that's exactly the point I'm getting at |
| 21:13.47 | foxlit | But wouldn't that be admitting to breaking the addon policy, and thus grounds for an immediate /kick? :) |
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| 21:13.55 | Hirsute | Cairenn: The only C&D letters I'm aware of were to iPhone apps related to WoW. |
| 21:14.06 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 21:14.11 | Cairenn | we keep hearing that so and so said that a bunch of people got C&D'd, but never from a direct source |
| 21:14.12 | Shirik | I didn't know they were sending C&Ds for that |
| 21:14.16 | Cairenn | Shirik: yes |
| 21:14.27 | Shirik | it does violate the eula I guess |
| 21:15.09 | Hirsute | Yeah, there are no longer any WoW-related iPhone apps on the App store. They even C&D'd one that only pulled info from the armory and presented it in a way that was easier for the iPhone/iPod Touch to view. |
| 21:15.26 | Hirsute | *on the App store, that I'm aware of. |
| 21:16.35 | Cairenn | oh, and foxlit, no it wouldn't :p |
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| 21:20.12 | Cairenn | ~seen |Jelly| |
| 21:20.15 | purl | |jelly| is currently on #wowuidev (2d 21h 56m 49s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 2h 58m 38s, last said: 'lol'. |
| 21:24.12 | Etanol | ~etanol |
| 21:24.13 | purl | Just drink it. It's ok! Trust me! |
| 21:24.21 | Etanol | :> |
| 21:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 21:25.29 | Etanol | ~scytheblade1 |
| 21:25.30 | purl | scytheblade1 is, like, now a high school graduate, apologies to any UVSC attendees who had their traffic backed up for >1h as a result, from Bingham's graduating class of 666, that graduated on 6/6/06, or http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/sigh.png |
| 21:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa |
| 21:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | holy crap that's old |
| 21:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo scytheblade1 |
| 21:26.05 | purl | scytheblade1 -- created by ScytheBlade1 <n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1> at Wed Jun 7 00:30:06 2006 (1062 days); last modified at Fri Sep 12 03:51:37 2008 by ScytheBlade1!n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1; it has been requested 3 times, last by Etanol, 35s ago; it has been locked by ScytheBlade1. |
| 21:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 06! |
| 21:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains that |
| 21:26.19 | KarlKFI | lulz youngin |
| 21:26.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Although my high school class grad date and class size WAS epic |
| 21:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 666 people, graduating on 6/6/06 |
| 21:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I had forgotten that |
| 21:27.26 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: How was that not all over the news here? |
| 21:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It was kept... quiet |
| 21:27.59 | Hirsute | I guess. You'd think that the more ridiculous members of the media would have wanted to make a big deal out of it. |
| 21:28.10 | ScytheBlade1 | shrugs |
| 21:28.14 | KarlKFI | who was the last dem... person on the graduation list? |
| 21:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Glad they didn't, totally would have taken the awesome out of it |
| 21:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ dem... |
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| 21:28.57 | Etanol | Poll: religion? |
| 21:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea, but fun fact |
| 21:29.05 | KarlKFI | ~religion |
| 21:29.06 | purl | methinks religion is the opiate of the masses, or believing in invisible idiots in the sky |
| 21:29.06 | Etanol | nil |
| 21:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Student body was right about 3000 people exactly |
| 21:29.31 | Etanol | attempt to index local 'Religion' : a nil value |
| 21:29.40 | ScytheBlade1 | caucasian: 99% of the student body |
| 21:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That was another fact that they kept quiet |
| 21:30.16 | Etanol | "right about 3000 people exactly" |
| 21:30.25 | Etanol | around exactly 3000? |
| 21:30.34 | Etanol | between 3000 and 3000? |
| 21:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I woke up with a migraine, being stupid is expected |
| 21:30.46 | Etanol | :D |
| 21:30.55 | Etanol | try |
| 21:31.00 | Etanol | ~coffee |
| 21:31.01 | purl | hmm... coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage |
| 21:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:31.11 | Dagmar | I'm unclear as to the role the migraine plays in this scenario. |
| 21:31.37 | Etanol | Might of Migraine |
| 21:31.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I lose vocabulary, cognitive skills, and basic thought process depending on the migraine |
| 21:31.55 | Dagmar | But then, I'm the one who just ordered nine square yards of black PVC leather and 200 nickle-plated spikes from work. |
| 21:32.40 | KarlKFI | I gain +20 Avoidance when i have a migrain |
| 21:32.56 | KarlKFI | -20 spirit tho |
| 21:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: likewise, you can see why my looting ability was so terrible |
| 21:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Or inability, rather |
| 21:33.26 | Etanol | I had a caffeine withdrawal during a chemistry test... |
| 21:33.38 | Etanol | worst moment of my life, and it just HAD to be during the test |
| 21:33.55 | foxlit | chemistry, caffeine. |
| 21:33.58 | foxlit | teehee! |
| 21:34.11 | Etanol | migraine-like feeling.. almost fainted :P |
| 21:34.20 | KarlKFI | i was about to say i didn't have a caffine addiction, but then i looked at the 4 cans of soda and 5 empty Amp cans on my desk... |
| 21:34.20 | Etanol | solution: don't stay away from coffee too long |
| 21:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: ha |
| 21:34.29 | Dagmar | I had caffiene withdrawal once back in the 90's. |
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| 21:34.35 | foxlit | better solution: stay away from coffee altogether |
| 21:34.36 | Dagmar | I've planned better since then. |
| 21:34.50 | Etanol | foxlit: what are you on then if not caffeine? |
| 21:34.54 | Dagmar | foxlit: Might as well just tell people to drive 35mph all the time |
| 21:34.59 | KarlKFI | lulz |
| 21:35.35 | foxlit | I'd make an ethanol pun |
| 21:35.37 | Lunessa | I knew a guy who was so addicted to caffeine that he used caffeinated soap, shampoo, and drank caffeinated water. |
| 21:35.39 | foxlit | But that wouldn't be true. |
| 21:36.20 | KarlKFI | water's boring. i've begun squiring lime and lemon juice into my drinking water. |
| 21:36.24 | Etanol | caffeinated soap and shampoo seems like a big fat waste of cash |
| 21:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | water is amazing, I don't know what you're smoking |
| 21:36.37 | Dagmar | THey are, as far as I know |
| 21:36.46 | nicoli_s | caffeinated soap? |
| 21:36.50 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: "Fisk f**k in it." |
| 21:36.54 | Dagmar | s/Fisk/Fish/; |
| 21:37.07 | KarlKFI | http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/5a65/ |
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| 21:37.21 | Dagmar | Now, maybe if you used a body-wash that had DMSO in it, then maybe caffienated soap might do something |
| 21:37.25 | Lunessa | Dagmar: WC Fields. "I don't drink water. Fish fuck in it." |
| 21:37.42 | Dagmar | ....aside from probably send you to the hospital with a pretty poor explanation of how you got soap-poisoning |
| 21:38.01 | KarlKFI | i think i might get some http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/5f0b/ |
| 21:38.34 | Etanol | Water is for making soda. |
| 21:38.37 | Etanol | ~water |
| 21:38.38 | purl | rumour has it, water is a good drink, if you're poor... |
| 21:39.30 | nicoli_s | i loves me some water |
| 21:39.47 | Lunessa | water is good. I need to drink more of it. |
| 21:40.57 | Dagmar | Just as long as it's been filtered to remove that nasty DHMO |
| 21:41.03 | Dagmar | That stuff will kill you. |
| 21:41.31 | Dagmar | It doesn't help that the FDA just ignore the problem of that being in most cities' water supply |
| 21:41.56 | Etanol | ~DHMO |
| 21:42.13 | Etanol | hah :P |
| 21:42.16 | Dagmar | di-hydrogen monoxide. |
| 21:42.28 | Etanol | HHO? |
| 21:42.29 | Hirsute | Yeah, it can cause asphyxiation. |
| 21:42.31 | alestane | I probably shouldn't have http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903650879&sid=1&pageNo=2#35 |
| 21:42.39 | Dagmar | http://www.dhmo.org/ <-- info on it |
| 21:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | DHMO can be lethal; tell your friends |
| 21:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: as someone who can't reply on the forums, thank you |
| 21:43.20 | Dagmar | alestane: Yes you should have |
| 21:43.34 | Dagmar | The trolling is pretty much consuming everything else on the forums |
| 21:43.36 | foxlit | earlier in that thread: "instead of suggesting Ogri'Lazy to update OPie." |
| 21:43.40 | foxlit | eep! |
| 21:44.10 | Hirsute | hands alestane a tall mug of epic win. |
| 21:44.26 | alestane | I believe that if one is being technical, the chemical name for water is Hydrogen Hydroxide, but the DHMO joke is well-established by now. |
| 21:44.38 | kneeki | Lunessa, I find that when I need to drink more water, I drink a lot of Tea instead. It tastes better =) |
| 21:44.45 | Stanzilla | foxlit: upload opie on curse, disable comments, problem solved :P |
| 21:44.58 | alestane | "or are they just annoyed that they haven't gotten to do their share of the whining yet?" was what I really started feeling like I had to say. |
| 21:45.12 | foxlit | I'm waiting for a version I'd want to upload anywhere |
| 21:45.28 | kneeki | alestane, Hey you! I have a quick question for ya. The issue you helped me with earlier, is it possible to 'click' my invisible button when an event triggers, like when the player gets on a vehicle? |
| 21:45.31 | Lunessa | kneeki: Tea, "fruit" punch, Crystal Meth, I mean Crystal Lite... It's all water. |
| 21:45.40 | kneeki | Lunessa, haha! |
| 21:45.48 | foxlit | kneeki: no. Not like that. |
| 21:45.58 | kneeki | foxlit, Ah humbug |
| 21:46.06 | foxlit | But not everything is lost |
| 21:46.26 | foxlit | kneeki: if you can formulate the event as a change in some macro conditional, you can register to be notified when it happens. |
| 21:46.36 | kneeki | foxlit, Ah yeah, I was reading up on that |
| 21:46.44 | alestane | kneeki: ...what foxlit said. |
| 21:46.45 | kneeki | RegisterState something right? |
| 21:47.04 | foxlit | something, right. |
| 21:47.20 | Lunessa | I am consumed by trolling, nerd-rage, and an over-power need to seek out strange and funny pictures of cats. Forums can go bugger themselves. |
| 21:47.23 | kneeki | RegisterStateDrive(frame, "stateid", "values") |
| 21:47.23 | Etanol | omg |
| 21:47.25 | Etanol | I just reliased |
| 21:47.29 | Etanol | I showered in water today |
| 21:47.33 | alestane | You can't use arbitrary Lua, but if your button coinherits from SecureHandlerStateTemplate, it can respond to changes in macro conditions via RegisterStateDriver. |
| 21:47.34 | Etanol | and washed my hands |
| 21:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | oh wow |
| 21:47.48 | Etanol | and I swam in water |
| 21:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: that thread just got locked |
| 21:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 21:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I lied, sorr |
| 21:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | +y |
| 21:48.11 | kneeki | alestane, It does. Well, my button(s) do, not my invisible button |
| 21:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Betting I just need to login |
| 21:48.19 | alestane | Damn, you got me all excited for a second. |
| 21:48.21 | kneeki | But, they are a children of the invisible button |
| 21:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: my buttons are greyed out. I recall them being blue even when logged out, but the lock isn't on the thread index |
| 21:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry. :) |
| 21:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | s/)/(/ |
| 21:49.28 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: They did for me too, so maybe our prayers have been answered. |
| 21:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 21:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | perhaps! |
| 21:49.55 | kd3 | rofl |
| 21:49.57 | alestane | kneeki: If you want the whole bar to show and hide on some condition change, it also should probably inherit that template. |
| 21:50.03 | kd3 | a random 'scrub' tell from someone |
| 21:50.24 | kd3 | a level 1 who already deleted itself |
| 21:50.32 | kneeki | alestane, Okay. I'll have both the parent, and children inhert SecureHandlerStateTemplate |
| 21:52.10 | alestane | If they're responding to separate conditions, that makes sense. Or, if it's the same set of conditions, the parent state handler can update the children. |
| 21:52.25 | amro | kd3: did you recently slaughter someone in pvp? :P |
| 21:52.32 | kd3 | quite possibly |
| 21:52.49 | kd3 | working on hard knocks atm |
| 21:52.52 | kd3 | all I need now is wsg |
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| 21:59.25 | Lunessa | Zootfizzle: You have a typo in your post. You mean "might not" not "might" |
| 21:59.41 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904201555&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 22:01.15 | Shirik | does spam control apply to raid chat? |
| 22:01.47 | End | Zoot is fast |
| 22:02.29 | kneeki | blegh |
| 22:02.34 | kneeki | where do I find a list of state ID's? |
| 22:02.56 | kneeki | in reference to: RegisterStateDriver(MyBadTargetFrame, "visibility", "[exists,harm] show; hide") |
| 22:03.08 | kneeki | "visiblity" would be the stateid |
| 22:03.09 | Fisker- | http://notalwaysright.com/dont-burn-your-bridges-or-well-burn-your-pizza/1902 <-haha wtf |
| 22:03.22 | foxlit | kneeki: they're not defined |
| 22:03.27 | foxlit | rather, you can specify any stateid you want |
| 22:03.31 | kneeki | oh |
| 22:03.39 | foxlit | (The handler will just call the snippet with the relevant state id) |
| 22:03.47 | kneeki | Oh i see |
| 22:03.47 | alestane | visibility is the only one with any special meaning. |
| 22:04.29 | foxlit | I'd point to http://www.wowwiki.com/SecureHandlers, but that needs more work. |
| 22:05.03 | kneeki | So, I can do something like: stealth:RegisterStateDriver(MyFrame, "vehicle", "[some conditional for if the player is in a vehicle, if not] self:Show(); self:Hide()") ? |
| 22:05.30 | kneeki | foxlit, That's where I've been getting most of my info. It's a bit confusing |
| 22:05.37 | kneeki | Well, that, and http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide%20-%20pre1.pdf |
| 22:05.49 | foxlit | The pdf is probably better :) |
| 22:06.21 | Lunessa | Fisker-: http://notalwaysright.com/when-stupid-people-attack/1724 - better |
| 22:07.04 | kneeki | Is there a macro conditional for vehicle? O.o |
| 22:07.13 | kneeki | [vehicle] & [novehicle] maybe? |
| 22:07.32 | Lunessa | [bounusbar:5] is as close as you get right now. |
| 22:07.53 | alestane | [target=vehicle,exists] does actually work. |
| 22:07.54 | foxlit | Was there a problem with [target=vehicle,exists]? |
| 22:08.09 | kneeki | Well, that is confusing |
| 22:08.53 | kneeki | So...stealth:RegisterStateDriver(self, "vehicle", "[bonusbar:5] self:Hide(), self:Show()") then? |
| 22:09.06 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903650879&sid=1&pageNo=2#23 <-FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 22:09.27 | Lunessa | Heh, I use [bonusbar:5] with Goose to hide things I can't use when I'm in a vehicle or possessing something since I can't use my totems/trinkets then anyway. |
| 22:09.57 | kneeki | Sweet! |
| 22:10.05 | kneeki | stealth:RegisterStateDriver = nil value |
| 22:10.13 | kneeki | Hurray! Just what I wanted to happen =p |
| 22:10.42 | kneeki | In Bartender4, he uses: [target=vehicle,exists,bonusbar:5]vehicle;novehicle |
| 22:10.46 | alestane | RegisterStateDriver isn't a method. Call it as RegisterStateDriver(stealth, "vehicle". "[bonusbar:5] hide; show") |
| 22:11.20 | Fisker- | i'm going to sleep |
| 22:11.30 | Fisker- | and i'll dream of Shirik |
| 22:11.40 | Shirik | you do that |
| 22:11.48 | kneeki | Fisker-, g'nite |
| 22:12.57 | Fisker- | RAGE! Rage in the Fisker-'s dreams |
| 22:13.07 | kneeki | alestane, Ah, well, that works |
| 22:13.17 | kneeki | although, my buttons do not hide when I enter a vehicle |
| 22:13.30 | kneeki | g'damn I bad at this |
| 22:13.32 | alestane | You have two options. |
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| 22:14.04 | alestane | Add a state handler to the "_onstate-wehicle" attribute, or use "visibility" instead of "vehicle". |
| 22:14.38 | Kirov | wehicle? |
| 22:15.04 | alestane | THe nuclear wessels. |
| 22:15.05 | Tuller | wheeeicle |
| 22:15.05 | kneeki | SHA ZAHM!!!! |
| 22:15.18 | kneeki | alestane, changing "vehicle" to "visiblity" worked it! |
| 22:15.24 | kneeki | dances with alestane! |
| 22:15.27 | Shirik | worked it? |
| 22:15.34 | Shirik | Work it baby, work it |
| 22:15.39 | kneeki | Shirik, lol yes, that! :D |
| 22:16.32 | kneeki | Also, I installed that Demonomicon addon of yours, it's great! |
| 22:17.28 | alestane | My first serious add-on, and the one that taught me how to use state headers. |
| 22:17.56 | kneeki | alestane, I must ask though, do you ever use notes in your code? |
| 22:18.08 | kneeki | My addon(s) are riddled with notes, so I don't forget how I did something, or what something does |
| 22:18.10 | alestane | Not when I'm writing for myself. |
| 22:18.12 | kneeki | Yours is bare |
| 22:18.43 | foxlit | It's really a function of how difficult it would be to read the code and figure out what it does. |
| 22:19.04 | kneeki | foxlit, My function() is broken |
| 22:19.06 | kneeki | =( |
| 22:22.02 | End | well, that's annoyin |
| 22:22.16 | End | I missed a quest somewhere, so I can't do more than half of zul'drak |
| 22:22.19 | End | or..something |
| 22:23.25 | foxlit | End: what did you do last? |
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| 22:23.35 | End | the patrol quest |
| 22:23.38 | foxlit | Or, rather, where are you stuck? |
| 22:23.46 | foxlit | Can't move on to the troll place? |
| 22:23.47 | Kaso| | #pauldotcom |
| 22:23.50 | Kaso| | woops |
| 22:24.00 | End | soon-ish there should be a breadcrumb to the do the har'koa stuff |
| 22:24.06 | End | but, there's no quests up there |
| 22:24.13 | foxlit | Yeah. I was there too. |
| 22:24.13 | End | nor no breadcrumb anywhere else that I can find |
| 22:24.25 | foxlit | Did the kill-the-prophet quest? |
| 22:24.34 | End | no, and come to think of it |
| 22:24.36 | End | that should be next |
| 22:24.40 | foxlit | If not, you should have some mojo in your inventory. |
| 22:24.44 | End | oi! |
| 22:24.44 | End | thanks |
| 22:24.57 | End | figures I'd miss something stupid like that |
| 22:25.13 | foxlit | It's not stupid, it's a bloody conspiracy against people who autoloot :) |
| 22:25.19 | End | hehe |
| 22:25.33 | Dagmar | Damn trolls and their mojo |
| 22:25.37 | End | seriously |
| 22:25.46 | End | I steal their mojo and don't even realize it |
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| 22:58.41 | Lunessa | Mah Mojo! U stealz it! I keel u! |
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| 23:01.00 | Adys | WTF |
| 23:01.00 | Adys | When you use Conflagrate, the damage done by your next three Destruction spells are increased by 10% if the Immolate on the target has 5 or fewer seconds remaining for 15 sec. |
| 23:01.09 | Adys | headache. |
| 23:01.43 | Thunder_Child | and incorrect english |
| 23:01.51 | Adys | AND YOUR MOM |
| 23:01.53 | Thunder_Child | of 15 sec.? |
| 23:02.05 | NightHawkTheSane | no, for 15s |
| 23:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it's just an awkward phrasing. |
| 23:02.23 | Thunder_Child | you cant have 5 seconds and 15 seconds |
| 23:02.30 | End | sure you can |
| 23:02.33 | End | it's different things |
| 23:02.35 | foxlit | meh |
| 23:02.37 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 23:02.38 | End | 5 seconds left on immolate |
| 23:02.45 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was both taling about the imolate |
| 23:02.45 | foxlit | Insert some parenthesis around the nested clause |
| 23:02.48 | End | 15 seconds that the buff lasts for doing it within those 5 seconds |
| 23:02.49 | foxlit | It isn't really that hard. |
| 23:03.05 | NightHawkTheSane | if immolate has <=5s left, you get 10% damage to destro spells for 15s after a conflag. |
| 23:03.10 | Adys | (When you use Conflagrate, ) <the damage done (by your next three Destruction spells) are [increased by 10% (if the Immolate (on the target) [has 5 or fewer seconds remaining])] for 5 sec> |
| 23:03.16 | Adys | if thats clearer. |
| 23:03.32 | Thunder_Child | 5 addons are going to pop up for that pile of trash |
| 23:03.52 | Adys | foxlit: ENOUGH PARENTHESIS FOR YA?!!! |
| 23:03.56 | Adys | so anyway |
| 23:04.02 | End | and it looks like they basically reverted practically all the changes they did in 3.1.2 |
| 23:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: write lisp much? |
| 23:04.12 | End | although bibi fails and made it say 3.1.0 for some reason |
| 23:04.32 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: (I (don't know) what (you) (are talking (about))) |
| 23:04.36 | Thunder_Child | and Adys failed...since it should be 15 at the ends |
| 23:04.52 | Thunder_Child | end* |
| 23:05.13 | End | er, actually, I suppose they still have the immo boosts chaos bolt and incinerate change |
| 23:05.25 | End | instead of boosting immolate itself |
| 23:05.48 | End | also, I notice sacrifice doesn't killed the VW anymore :o |
| 23:05.52 | End | kill* |
| 23:06.32 | Lunessa | (I ((could)n't) be (more)confused) |
| 23:06.55 | foxlit | "Thunder_Child: and Adys failed" << more than in one place, I'm sure. |
| 23:07.00 | Adys | Lunessa: ((You) forgot (a (space))) |
| 23:07.10 | Dashkal | * Heart of the Deconstructor health reduced (10/25) |
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| 23:07.28 | Lunessa | Adys: That only rates a warning - the code would still compile. :P |
| 23:07.29 | Dashkal | Hrm, sounds like a buff to XT... Anybody who had a chance of doing hard mode could already kill it. |
| 23:07.47 | Adys | Lunessa: computers dont compile lisp anymore |
| 23:07.55 | Adys | they shut down when they see it. |
| 23:07.55 | Lunessa | True that. |
| 23:07.56 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, quite so |
| 23:08.07 | Kirov | pfff, it wasn't like 32k conflags were overpowered or anything |
| 23:08.08 | NightHawkTheSane | it more or less is a buff, means you can't eek as much damage to xt in his heart phases if you're not doing hard mode |
| 23:08.14 | Lunessa | is glad not to have to write LISP or COBOL anymore |
| 23:08.38 | End | yeah, you don't want to hit hard mode unless you really mean it, I'd think |
| 23:08.43 | End | but now it's easier to hit it on accident |
| 23:08.49 | End | even if you're ill prepared! |
| 23:08.58 | Kirov | Did they reduce the heart's health again? |
| 23:09.36 | Kirov | The first time we did XT we got close enough where we might of been able to hit hard mode. Since the upped it the closest we've gotten is around 30% (in 25m) |
| 23:09.52 | Kirov | in 10 man we hit it on accident, then wipe because our healers aren't that good. |
| 23:10.16 | Dashkal | I love Zarhym sometimes... http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/16904293015-sights-worth-seeing.html (last post) |
| 23:10.19 | Kirov | (we hit it on accident because our hunters don't know how to stop) |
| 23:12.51 | KarlKFI | "If you want to watch The Matrix -- a movie brought to you by a major motion picture corporation back by millions of dollars -- so you can tell everyone you know to rage against the corporate/authoritarian machine, you go for it! It could be right down your alley." |
| 23:13.24 | KarlKFI | cept i think the phrase is 'up your alley' |
| 23:13.35 | KarlKFI | unless i missed a pun |
| 23:14.25 | Kirov | up / down. |
| 23:14.29 | Kirov | meh |
| 23:15.00 | Kirov | personally I think canadians are the ones down under, australians have had it wrong this whole time. |
| 23:15.21 | KarlKFI | they're up over? |
| 23:15.32 | Dashkal | So the world is just upside-down? |
| 23:16.53 | Kirov | Maybe. |
| 23:17.59 | Kirov | Though, technically Australia have one of the lowest average elevations of any country in the world... so, they might stil win the "down" argument |
| 23:19.37 | airtonix | down under wasn't a term given to australia by australians |
| 23:19.46 | airtonix | term of perception |
| 23:21.59 | Kirov | It wasn't really a very funny joke, more a comment on the arbitrary nature of "up / down" in regards to the percieved orientation of the earth. |
| 23:22.08 | airtonix | british colonel : hai gaiz we gots india on farm.... |
| 23:24.40 | Dashkal | I never researched the reason, I just assumed that the first people to successfully market maps of the earth were European. (I assume they were also the firsts to map it at all, but the distinction is worth noting). |
| 23:26.11 | foxlit | grr, LaTeX |
| 23:26.24 | Adys | I prefer real LeAtHeR |
| 23:26.52 | foxlit | Spaces the ToC lines too much vertically, transferring two lines onto an empty next page. Meh! |
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| 23:34.14 | Shirik | Hotmail is such shit |
| 23:34.20 | Adys | yea |
| 23:34.26 | Shirik | "To protect your security and the security of others, you cannot upload a file with this extension" |
| 23:34.31 | Shirik | I can't email a fricking .crt file |
| 23:34.35 | Elly | zip and resend |
| 23:34.45 | Adys | rename and resend |
| 23:36.00 | NightHawkTheSane | get a real email provider, and resend. |
| 23:36.05 | Adys | ^ |
| 23:36.19 | Shirik | this is my "email for people that I don't want to have my email email" |
| 23:37.03 | Dagmar | You can try what I'm about to |
| 23:37.11 | airtonix | make another gmail account |
| 23:37.21 | Adys | +1 airtonix, I got 4-5 gmails |
| 23:37.31 | Dagmar | Blacklist all mail coming to blahblah@gmail.com and start handing out blahblah+randomstring@gmail.com as your email address |
| 23:37.50 | Dagmar | Gmail supports doing that +randomstring thing |
| 23:38.10 | Dagmar | This way you can know which website's privacy statement was written by a bunch of lying bastards |
| 23:38.17 | Shirik | +randomstring? |
| 23:38.24 | Adys | anything after the + is ignored |
| 23:38.29 | Dagmar | Yeah, it's a tokenizing technique |
| 23:38.31 | Shirik | and then you can blacklist any particular string? |
| 23:38.41 | Adys | i use stuff like adyswh+gnomedotorg@gmail.com |
| 23:38.42 | Dagmar | You're basically sticking a unique token in the name part of the email address |
| 23:39.09 | Dagmar | Shirik: Yep. |
| 23:39.11 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.14 | airtonix | +isgay |
| 23:39.36 | foxlit | You should probably whitelist rather than blacklist. |
| 23:39.47 | Dagmar | Things like evildagmar+sellmyaddressandIllkillyourchildren work |
| 23:40.59 | airtonix | so wahts to stop gsub parsing? |
| 23:41.10 | airtonix | anything after + and before @....muwahaha |
| 23:41.43 | Adys | you can also have multiple . in your mail |
| 23:41.57 | NightHawkTheSane | "Blessing of Wisdom and Greater Blessing of Wisdom now restore 92 mana every 5 seconds. (Up from 91)" what a hacky way to fix overwriting issues with mana spring |
| 23:42.03 | Adys | eg fox.lit@gmail.com and fo.x.l.it@gmail.com are the same |
| 23:42.17 | Dagmar | airtonix: Like I said, any mail going directly to blahblah@gmail.com goes into the trash |
| 23:42.18 | Dashkal | dots are dropped? |
| 23:42.19 | Dagmar | Stops that crap cold |
| 23:42.26 | Adys | yes Dashkal |
| 23:42.31 | Adys | and you can also use @googlemail.com |
| 23:42.33 | Dashkal | hmm, didn't know that (I have a dot in my gmail) |
| 23:42.42 | Adys | the login dot is important |
| 23:42.46 | Adys | but the mail itself doesnt matter |
| 23:43.17 | Shirik | so like |
| 23:43.20 | Shirik | why does firefox fail so much |
| 23:43.26 | Shirik | you can't download a CRT file with it? |
| 23:43.30 | Shirik | it only lets you import? |
| 23:43.31 | Dagmar | You can. |
| 23:43.37 | Dagmar | Right cleek |
| 23:43.45 | Adys | because it's using years old engines, code and what not |
| 23:43.45 | Shirik | right click what |
| 23:43.45 | airtonix | to attack |
| 23:43.49 | Shirik | all I have is a URL |
| 23:43.59 | Dagmar | ...or grab a blunt object and go beat some sense into the webmaster so the server gives rational mime-type information |
| 23:44.03 | Lunessa | "I hope those cigarets are going to make you cough. I hope you heard this song and it pissed you off." |
| 23:44.10 | Shirik | I'm the webmaster :( |
| 23:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Dagmar++ |
| 23:44.21 | Dagmar | There's always wget for Win32 if you only have a URL |
| 23:44.29 | Shirik | Oh I'm not the one with the problem |
| 23:44.33 | Dagmar | Right |
| 23:44.34 | Shirik | chrome happily downloads the file |
| 23:44.47 | Dagmar | Mainly the browser decides what to do with a file based on what the webserver said it should do |
| 23:44.53 | Dagmar | Doesn't have anything to do with the filename |
| 23:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me guess: cert installation with IE/Firefox? |
| 23:45.03 | Dagmar | Could be |
| 23:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: moar info |
| 23:45.14 | Dagmar | Chrome might well be ignoring that |
| 23:45.48 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Affirmative |
| 23:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | tl;dr you can't override the default behavior without some serious client-side work. I suggest either giving them a link to right-click --> save as, or feeding them a .zip instead |
| 23:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Or if your problem is that the default behavior is what you want and it isn't working, format the client computer. Isn't worth your trouble. :) |
| 23:55.19 | Lunessa | SBO - Especially entertaining when it's not your computer. |
| 23:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is actually the exact reason I said to format it. *nod* |
| 23:57.57 | Lunessa | I worked briefly, in a repair shop. This guy brought his computer in twice a week with a busted floppy drive. He was obviously jamming things in there that didn't belong, then blaming us (circa '89/90), but somehow it was always our fault. After the last time, I attached a rare-earth magnet to the underside of his HD and had him come pick it up. |
| 23:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
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