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| 00:04.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:04.41 | Shirik | I just need to ditch notepad completely |
| 00:04.44 | Shirik | and switch to vim |
| 00:04.55 | Tem | wtf |
| 00:05.02 | Tem | there are a bunch of spell that are valid |
| 00:05.04 | Shirik | I just got mad for a few seconds because I needed to go to the bottom of the file and "G" just kept typing G into it |
| 00:05.11 | Tem | that GetSpellLink returns nil for |
| 00:05.40 | Shirik | Tem: Just a guess, is there a spell cache? I don't think there is considering all the crazy spells I link |
| 00:05.42 | Shirik | but just a guess |
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| 00:06.08 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.15 | Tem | >info on the spell |
| 00:06.28 | Tem | ItemRefTooltip:SetHyperlink("spell:65509") |
| 00:06.32 | Tem | spell tooltip |
| 00:06.42 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.44 | Tem | >nil |
| 00:07.40 | Etanol | hm |
| 00:08.00 | Etanol | I am WINE:ing wow |
| 00:08.05 | Etanol | everything works |
| 00:08.07 | Etanol | EXCEPT |
| 00:08.14 | Etanol | I can't input to chat |
| 00:08.32 | Shirik | Caused by: java.net.MalformedURLException: Unknown protocol: http |
| 00:08.34 | Shirik | o.O |
| 00:10.56 | Etanol | hm |
| 00:10.58 | Etanol | anybody in linux? |
| 00:11.04 | Shirik | not currently |
| 00:11.09 | Shirik | but occasionally |
| 00:12.27 | Etanol | It's bugging |
| 00:12.34 | Etanol | make the bugging stop! :P |
| 00:12.41 | Shirik | did you start with -opengl ? |
| 00:13.03 | Shirik | I would not advise to try running wine with direcx |
| 00:13.06 | Shirik | directx |
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| 00:13.18 | Shirik | wine WoW.exe -opengl |
| 00:13.53 | Etanol | I know |
| 00:14.06 | Iriel | Shirik: emacs |
| 00:14.16 | Iriel | Shirik: you know you want to |
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| 00:14.43 | AbsolutRayne | Ho hum, the new Chinchilla doesnt want to save my Profile |
| 00:14.49 | AbsolutRayne | Also, Evening all |
| 00:14.54 | Etanol | I am tempted to try emacs |
| 00:14.55 | Etanol | but |
| 00:15.01 | Etanol | I want some spare time too :P |
| 00:16.04 | Arrowmaster | ive been wanting to learn emacs because i know gvim pisses me the fuck off |
| 00:16.15 | Shirik | Iriel: emacs evil |
| 00:16.27 | Shirik | I don't want to have to push half the keyboard to type a letter |
| 00:16.28 | Corrodias | emacs is hard to learn to use :| |
| 00:16.29 | Arrowmaster | i use vim but i cant stand gvim |
| 00:16.31 | Etanol | Arrowmaster, are you on nix atm? |
| 00:16.31 | Iriel | Shirik: No, emacs good! |
| 00:16.35 | Corrodias | but vim probably is just as hard |
| 00:16.39 | Arrowmaster | Etanol: no |
| 00:16.44 | Etanol | :/ |
| 00:16.47 | Iriel | It takes some time to learn, but it's not hard to use once you know it |
| 00:16.50 | Arrowmaster | vim is easy to learn |
| 00:17.02 | Arrowmaster | well learn the basics, enough that you can actually exit it |
| 00:17.06 | Shirik | Vim is easy to learn and hard to master :) |
| 00:17.17 | Shirik | There's so many toys you can play with once you get good at it |
| 00:17.32 | Corrodias | so many toys, in a text editor. |
| 00:17.36 | Iriel | The reason emacs has the reputation for the long key bindings is because it can do an order of magnitude more thnings than most editors so needs to put them somewhere, the normal commands are pretty normal. |
| 00:17.54 | Shirik | vim can do a lot of things too |
| 00:18.00 | Shirik | it just uses commands instead of half the keyboard |
| 00:18.01 | Iriel | Certainly |
| 00:18.16 | Etanol | major drawbacks with ubuntu: 1. need to tap ^ key 4 times to do the " ^^ " smiley. 2. terminal is scary |
| 00:18.30 | Shirik | why do you need to tap ^ 4 times? o.O |
| 00:18.33 | Etanol | dunno |
| 00:18.35 | Shirik | I don't think I have to do that on ubuntu |
| 00:18.48 | Iriel | Shirik: You sound like someone who read an article abotu why someone doesn't like emacs, and hasn't actually tried to seriously use it. |
| 00:18.54 | Iriel | Etanol: are you ssh'ed in somewhere? |
| 00:18.55 | Etanol | after two times only one ^ appear |
| 00:18.59 | Shirik | Iriel: Worse |
| 00:19.03 | Etanol | Iriel, nope |
| 00:19.12 | Shirik | I sound like someone whom talked with friends about emacs |
| 00:19.14 | Iriel | Hm, screen? |
| 00:19.19 | Shirik | and hasn't actually tried to seriously use it |
| 00:19.24 | Etanol | Iriel, me? |
| 00:19.28 | Iriel | Etanol: yes |
| 00:19.31 | Shirik | But vim works amazingly well for me and I have no reason to try something new :) |
| 00:19.44 | Shirik | But, I take the whole vim vs emacs war to the next level |
| 00:19.48 | Iriel | I really dont have anything against vim, I find the modal nature annoying |
| 00:19.50 | Shirik | have I shown you what happens when you try to install emacs on my server? |
| 00:20.30 | mikma | torhal: heh, UIFrameFadeOut(tooltip,1) <- that one doesn't fade the cells :D |
| 00:20.32 | Iriel | vi IS handy for very small footprint installs, I know how to use it to recover from a serious system crash 8-) |
| 00:21.10 | Legorol | the whole vi vs. emacs debate is pointless... edlin ftw! |
| 00:21.39 | AbsolutRayne | Anyone else having a problem with the new Chinchilla :S |
| 00:21.49 | Etanol | Iriel, http://i40.tinypic.com/xg0g3d.jpg |
| 00:22.43 | Etanol | Iriel, why ? :P |
| 00:23.19 | Iriel | Etanol: I wondered if you had some piece of software that might have decided to use ^ as an escape character |
| 00:23.29 | Etanol | aha |
| 00:23.59 | Iriel | I dont know xchat at all tho |
| 00:24.02 | Iriel | But that'll be my guess |
| 00:24.04 | Etanol | Iriel, do you know how I get ctrl+alt to work like altgr? |
| 00:24.07 | Etanol | really not used to altgr |
| 00:24.16 | Iriel | ?? altgr? |
| 00:24.18 | Shirik | Iriel: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/06c5a7635992066f6cf1ba8a2e915164.png |
| 00:24.30 | Etanol | aha nvm then :) |
| 00:25.03 | Iriel | Shirik: Can't you just do emerge app-editors/emacs ? |
| 00:25.19 | Shirik | well point is it's masked |
| 00:25.23 | Shirik | it won't let you install it |
| 00:25.42 | Iriel | I have no idea what [Masked] means, I've not fiddled with emerge |
| 00:25.43 | Shirik | When I do that I get |
| 00:25.44 | Shirik | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "app-editors/emacs" have been masked. |
| 00:25.53 | Shirik | It means you ain't allowed to install it, rawr |
| 00:26.20 | Iriel | "A package may be masked because it fails to compile or has serious bugs. It may also simply be masked because the latest version to brand new and therefore not tested enough to be included in the main portage tre" |
| 00:26.36 | Iriel | You certainly CAN install it |
| 00:26.39 | Shirik | ah that's when it's masked on the portage server |
| 00:26.42 | Iriel | you just have to ask a bit more.. forcefully |
| 00:26.55 | Shirik | there's two types of masks |
| 00:27.07 | Shirik | - app-editors/emacs-22.3-r2 (masked by: package.mask) |
| 00:27.16 | Shirik | package.mask is a local mask saying "I never want this on my server" |
| 00:27.49 | Shirik | The mask they're talking about there is keyword masks, like ~x86 |
| 00:27.56 | Iriel | I see |
| 00:27.58 | Iriel | strange |
| 00:28.13 | Iriel | Guess gentoo isn't all that stable? |
| 00:28.27 | Shirik | they just keep the stable and unstable in the same tree |
| 00:28.43 | Shirik | It will only ever use stable packages |
| 00:28.48 | Shirik | unless you tell it otherwise |
| 00:29.41 | Shirik | for example |
| 00:29.48 | Shirik | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=dev-lang/lua-5.1.4-r1" have been masked. |
| 00:29.48 | Shirik | - dev-lang/lua-5.1.4-r1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) |
| 00:29.56 | Shirik | but the unstable is also there |
| 00:30.02 | Shirik | er, but the stable is also there |
| 00:30.19 | Shirik | [ebuild R ] dev-lang/lua-5.1.4 USE="readline -deprecated -static" 0 kB |
| 00:30.54 | Iriel | What I meant is, failing to be able to support a mechanism for you to install an editor that's been stably used on thousands of system configurations for decades doesn't say much about gentoo |
| 00:31.16 | Shirik | oh no, it's not masked by gentoo |
| 00:31.17 | Etanol | is there a lua interpreter available for nix? |
| 00:31.18 | Shirik | it's masked by me :) |
| 00:31.21 | Etanol | I mean, ofcourse there is |
| 00:31.25 | Etanol | but could you name one? |
| 00:31.39 | Iriel | Etanol: 'lua' |
| 00:31.46 | Iriel | Etanol: apt-get install lua |
| 00:31.52 | Etanol | how do I use it? |
| 00:31.54 | Iriel | (or sudo apt-get install lua) |
| 00:31.56 | Iriel | you type 'lua' |
| 00:32.03 | Iriel | from a terminal window |
| 00:32.12 | Etanol | aha nice |
| 00:32.15 | Shirik | Iriel: http://wowi.pastey.net/113489 |
| 00:32.16 | Etanol | v4 or 5? |
| 00:32.23 | Etanol | is 5 stable? |
| 00:32.23 | Shirik | That's what's stopping emacs from being installed |
| 00:32.24 | Shirik | nothing more |
| 00:32.44 | Iriel | Shirik: Ah, I see, you have blocked it because you're strainge. |
| 00:32.46 | Iriel | strange. |
| 00:32.52 | Shirik | :P |
| 00:33.00 | Iriel | Etanol: 5.1 is the normal version these days, for now |
| 00:33.13 | Etanol | aha thanks |
| 00:33.35 | Iriel | Whichever 5.1.x you have handy, the incrementals are bug fixes |
| 00:33.38 | Shirik | wow |
| 00:33.42 | Shirik | emacs doesn't even have an unstable version |
| 00:33.49 | Shirik | well it does on some really strange platforms, but not x86/64 |
| 00:34.09 | Etanol | hm |
| 00:34.19 | Etanol | lua print("hi"); |
| 00:34.25 | Shirik | lua -e |
| 00:34.25 | Etanol | doesnt run |
| 00:34.39 | Shirik | lua print("hi"); tries to..... well |
| 00:34.45 | Shirik | load the file named print("hi") I guess |
| 00:34.45 | Iriel | lua -a 'print("hi")' |
| 00:34.47 | Iriel | -e even |
| 00:34.53 | Iriel | lua -e 'print("hi");' |
| 00:35.08 | Etanol | still not working |
| 00:35.09 | Etanol | well |
| 00:35.14 | Etanol | time for bed |
| 00:35.16 | Iriel | Shirik: My 'emacs using experience' will be old enough to vote in the US this year |
| 00:35.17 | Shirik | you do need the quotes |
| 00:35.27 | Shirik | otherwise the double quotes will be interpreted by badsh |
| 00:35.29 | Shirik | ok bye |
| 00:35.29 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:35.50 | Shirik | Iriel: That's scary :) |
| 00:36.09 | Shirik | still I find myself very fast with vim, fast enough at least |
| 00:36.19 | Shirik | to the point where I get frustrated with notepad now |
| 00:36.21 | Iriel | I'm just glad there were folks in the lab who talked me into it 8-) |
| 00:36.46 | Shirik | gotta go home |
| 00:36.47 | Shirik | bbl |
| 00:36.52 | Iriel | I find emacs second nature, I can do things in emacs subconsciously, I have to stop and seriously think if anyone asks me what the commands are |
| 00:36.56 | Shirik | Iriel, random question before I go |
| 00:37.06 | sacarasc | points and laughs at Shirik as he goes. |
| 00:37.21 | Iriel | sacarasc: You're supposed to do that after he's left, aren't you? |
| 00:37.27 | Shirik | I found something on google that might be interesting but I figured I'd poke you anyway |
| 00:37.43 | sacarasc | Where's the fun in that? This way he knows I'm laughing at him. |
| 00:37.46 | Shirik | Caused by: java.net.MalformedURLException: Unknown protocol: http |
| 00:37.50 | Shirik | ever seen that? |
| 00:38.18 | Shirik | I think it's being caused by my security manager but I don't have any SecurityExceptions being thrown. My next steps are to see what's being denied to see if it's being silently handled somewhere. |
| 00:38.19 | Iriel | I've seen flavors of that, it's generally caused when the protocol handlers aren't initialized (or aren't visible) |
| 00:38.58 | Shirik | anyway bbl |
| 00:39.25 | Iriel | cya |
| 00:41.59 | Torhal | mikma: Heh |
| 00:44.11 | Torhal | mikma: BTW: GetTipAnchor() as you have it defined will always return "TOPLEFT", frame, "BOTTOMLEFT" |
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| 00:45.57 | mikma | torhal: oh, that ain't even used anymore :D |
| 00:46.13 | Torhal | It is for your editbox |
| 00:46.31 | Torhal | Anywho, lemme pastey what I did |
| 00:46.36 | mikma | oh, true |
| 00:46.47 | mikma | i forgot i deleted the x,y off :D |
| 00:47.37 | mikma | there we go :) x,y = self:GetCenter() |
| 00:48.47 | Torhal | mikma: http://paste.wowace.com/577/ |
| 00:49.56 | Torhal | mikma: Whoops. Forgot to add two lines to myLeave() |
| 00:50.21 | Torhal | QTC:Release(tooltip) |
| 00:50.22 | foxlit | hurray, this PvP nightmare is over |
| 00:50.22 | Torhal | tooltip = nil |
| 00:53.10 | mikma | torhal: that looks so tidy! |
| 00:54.02 | Torhal | Makes it easier to see what's going on. I found DockTo was never declared, so was global, for example. |
| 00:54.13 | mikma | torhal: question, is it really required to do 'tooltip = QTC:Acquire("MyAddonNameTooltip", 5, "LEFT", "LEFT", "RIGHT", "RIGHT") |
| 00:54.29 | mikma | torhal: .. everytime myEnter is being run |
| 00:54.39 | Torhal | Not required, but best practices. When you're not showing the tooltip, you Release() it so that other addons re-use its frame. |
| 00:54.52 | mikma | aah.. |
| 00:55.04 | foxlit | wowi layout seems to bug again |
| 00:55.06 | Torhal | All it's doing is grabbing an unused tooltip frame |
| 00:55.30 | foxlit | ah, no, it's your stupid pre behavior |
| 00:56.06 | Torhal | mikma: May want to change MyAddonNameTooltip to RibbonTooltip :D |
| 00:57.04 | Torhal | Also: Change Ribbon.text to Ribbon.DO.text...I missed that |
| 00:57.33 | mikma | torhal: did change that in my end, but your version is nicer and i copypasted it over mine ;) |
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| 00:58.28 | Torhal | Well, specifically in LDBText()...Ribbon is now your main frame instead of "f", so Ribbon.text should be Ribbon.DO.text else your LDB plugin will never update |
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| 01:00.04 | mikma | torhal: getting a small error, line 186, function arguments expected near '=' |
| 01:00.20 | Shirik | pastey! |
| 01:00.30 | Torhal | Checking. |
| 01:00.54 | mikma | torhal: self:PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD = nil |
| 01:01.08 | Shirik | um |
| 01:01.10 | Shirik | why : |
| 01:01.16 | Shirik | Did you mean . ? |
| 01:01.23 | Shirik | hint: Yes you did |
| 01:01.40 | Torhal | Shirik: Exactly |
| 01:02.00 | Torhal | As soon as I saw that I thought "I'm not CALLING it, so WTF was I thinking?" |
| 01:02.07 | mikma | heh, yeah. |
| 01:03.24 | mikma | torhal: huh, line 35: attempt to call field 'func' (a nil value) :D (this comes from clicking the text, aka. tooltip:SetCell(y, 2, v, {func = ToggleNote, arg1 = k}) |
| 01:04.10 | Torhal | Declaration order. |
| 01:04.15 | mikma | well, all of them are resulting same error :) |
| 01:04.28 | Torhal | Put all of the Tooltip/LDB functions under the Helper functions and it will work |
| 01:04.53 | Torhal | I just organized and spotted a couple of stray globals...didn't syntax check :) |
| 01:05.22 | mikma | okidoki |
| 01:06.12 | Shirik | I wonder how easy it would be to make netbeans work with Lua |
| 01:06.27 | foxlit | 1. Download eclipse. 2. It works. |
| 01:06.38 | foxlit | taunts Shirik |
| 01:06.43 | Shirik | no f eclipse |
| 01:08.35 | Shirik | "SSEX provides the lowest price: 1000g only costed $12.88 USD" |
| 01:08.39 | mikma | torhal: did you give the addon a go? :) |
| 01:08.41 | Shirik | I do like the "SSEX" abbreviation |
| 01:09.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.06 | Torhal | mikma: Not yet. I haven't even loaded WoW...kinda tired and zoning |
| 01:10.45 | mikma | torhal: know the feeling :D |
| 01:12.20 | Torhal | mikma: Checking it out now |
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| 01:16.06 | mikma | need to name the functions better tho |
| 01:16.48 | Torhal | mikma: Hey, that's kinda handy actually :) |
| 01:17.53 | mikma | torhal: some time ago i got tired of adding notes in Hack/Tinypad/something and decided that i need a place where i can put small notes and paste them in chat if i need. couple of days ago my friend asked for the edit-feature, and there we go. |
| 01:18.20 | mikma | torhal: then i got annoyed by the ctrl/alt/shift + mouseclick and decided to give QTip a go. looking good so far! |
| 01:19.18 | Torhal | Sweet :) |
| 01:20.53 | mikma | GAH, the tooltip hiding is giving me hard time, AGAIN |
| 01:21.10 | Torhal | Weird. It's working for me. |
| 01:22.06 | mikma | ah, theres the typo |
| 01:23.32 | Torhal | ? |
| 01:23.41 | Torhal | Ah, you made modifications |
| 01:25.19 | mikma | yeah, changed the myEnter() to Ribbon:OnEnter() and myLeave() to Ribbon:OnLeave() |
| 01:25.46 | mikma | they need to be global or there will be error when the addon tries to recreate the tooltip after modifications |
| 01:28.16 | Torhal | Well, Ribbon is your addon frame, and it's local...so you don't need to declare its function members as local as well |
| 01:31.16 | tekkub | so now, which is faster, lots of concats in one call, or string.join? |
| 01:31.35 | Iriel | tekkub: "it depends" |
| 01:31.43 | Iriel | Actually |
| 01:31.46 | tekkub | local x = a..b..c..d..e or string.join(a,b,c,d,e) |
| 01:31.49 | Iriel | when you say lots of concats in one call.... |
| 01:31.52 | Iriel | ah, the first is faster |
| 01:32.01 | Iriel | it's optimized to a single concat |
| 01:32.10 | tekkub | 7 variables in my call, but yea it's basically that |
| 01:32.29 | Torhal | Dalaran hates me. |
| 01:32.42 | tekkub | that's what I thought, but I wanted someone that actually knew the inner gooey bits of lua to tell me I was right |
| 01:32.47 | tekkub | we all hate you |
| 01:33.20 | Torhal | tekkub: Duh. |
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| 01:38.42 | Shirik | lmao |
| 01:38.45 | Shirik | it's so easy to pick eggs now |
| 01:39.13 | mikma | eggs? |
| 01:39.56 | Torhal | mikma: Noblegarden |
| 01:40.10 | mikma | it ended in EU 3h 39min ago :( |
| 01:40.22 | Torhal | D'oh |
| 01:41.59 | ZorbaTHut | people stealthing around in BGs with an orphan following them is hilarious |
| 01:42.04 | Torhal | Haha |
| 01:42.33 | ZorbaTHut | I just killed a very surprised druid. I think he had *no idea* how I could figure out where he was |
| 01:42.58 | Torhal | He had the dumbass debuff. |
| 01:46.07 | Jamash | anyone know when during loading that action bar info is ready? |
| 01:46.36 | Iriel | You stop getting updates for it? 8-) |
| 01:46.50 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_loading_process ? |
| 01:47.51 | Jamash | hmm |
| 01:51.36 | Jamash | can I get devtools to pop up the event tracer during loading so I can see the loading process? |
| 01:52.37 | Jamash | oh nvm, it's in the readme |
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| 02:06.04 | Jamash | seems like its available at ADDON_LOADED, so no problem |
| 02:12.24 | Iriel | Jamash: be careful about reload versus login there |
| 02:12.39 | Jamash | yeah I logged out all the way |
| 02:12.59 | Jamash | I think |
| 02:13.01 | Jamash | hmmmmm |
| 02:13.15 | Jamash | lemme double check |
| 02:13.38 | Jamash | ah, good catch |
| 02:14.03 | Jamash | it's actually available at ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED 0 |
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| 02:26.33 | Kraps | microsoft is truly pro, ie8 just crashes inexplicably |
| 02:27.20 | Zyndrome | -crashes +works |
| 02:27.46 | Kraps | what |
| 02:29.44 | Kraps | oh its an addon thats crashing it |
| 02:30.10 | mikma | old, out of date DBM? |
| 02:30.35 | Kraps | deadly boss mods? |
| 02:31.09 | Jamash | deadly boss mobs crashes IE8? |
| 02:31.18 | Kraps | rofl |
| 02:31.20 | Jamash | OMG FORUM POAST DBM IS A KEYLOGGER |
| 02:31.26 | mikma | sure |
| 02:31.46 | Kraps | RLY |
| 02:31.57 | mikma | its so fucken evul |
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| 02:33.43 | Kraps | how do i know witch addon is crashing ie? |
| 02:34.00 | kd3 | pick one at random? |
| 02:34.01 | Kraps | s/witch/which/ |
| 02:34.13 | Jamash | binary search? |
| 02:34.17 | Kraps | there are a lot |
| 02:34.25 | Jamash | disable all, then enable half, then recurse |
| 02:34.58 | mikma | step 1) install Chrome |
| 02:35.11 | Kraps | lol mikma |
| 02:35.50 | Jamash | step 2) use Chrome to download Firefox |
| 02:36.02 | kd3 | step 3) panic |
| 02:36.03 | Kraps | i actually use FF, ie is for "other people" using my pc |
| 02:36.15 | Jamash | oh, then tell them it's supposed to crash |
| 02:36.20 | Kraps | rofl |
| 02:36.36 | mikma | step 4) reinstall windows because of FF/Opera |
| 02:36.41 | mikma | step 5) install Chrome |
| 02:36.43 | mikma | lolo |
| 02:37.30 | Jamash | step 4) [revised] reformat |
| 02:37.40 | Jamash | step 5) [revised] install Ubuntu |
| 02:37.52 | Kraps | um no |
| 02:40.24 | haste | step 6) Install Chromium |
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| 02:40.55 | Kraps | i got it to stop crashing |
| 02:41.09 | Legorol | is a windoze user with IE and is proud of it |
| 02:41.16 | Legorol | puts on flame retardant asbestos gear |
| 02:41.23 | Kraps | THEY COPIED CHROME |
| 02:41.37 | mikma | legorol: we arent proud of you tho |
| 02:41.44 | Kraps | THE BLANK TAB |
| 02:41.49 | Hjalte | I had problems with Chrome being very slow with WoW open at the same time. When trying out Chrome 2, it refused to do Java properly. (Using Windows 7 atm) |
| 02:41.55 | Jamash | I use windows but I'm not proud of it |
| 02:42.24 | mikma | hjalte: i noticed the same with older chrome too |
| 02:42.46 | mikma | it takes ages for it to start even loading the page |
| 02:42.46 | Kraps | like windows, except when he doesnt |
| 02:43.02 | mikma | but once it starts, its fast |
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| 02:44.56 | Kraps | blizz nerfing ulduar daily /discuss |
| 02:45.35 | Jamash | I'll care when I'm through naxx/eoe |
| 02:45.55 | Kraps | same :) |
| 02:46.46 | mikma | i tried the general verax fight today |
| 02:46.54 | mikma | damn its messy |
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| 02:48.25 | Thunder_Child | Jamash, would you be proud of using any OS? |
| 02:50.22 | Kraps | MS-DOS maybe |
| 02:55.38 | Kraps | trying to figure out if im leaving my guild or not |
| 02:56.31 | DWSR | How can you counter a double healer combo in 3s? |
| 02:56.34 | DWSR | Just chain CC? |
| 02:58.15 | mikma | simple, burst > heals |
| 02:58.19 | kd3 | yay luck! maiden of ashwood lake on frog #2 |
| 03:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | from another channel: http://media.fukung.net/images/15571/6de58d4f790c28182a32dc9da053bddf.gif |
| 03:03.29 | kd3 | rofl |
| 03:03.59 | kd3 | and heh: http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Frostmourne_in_X-Men_Origins.jpg |
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| 03:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, nice |
| 03:09.03 | Shirik | omfg |
| 03:09.08 | Shirik | Just went up against a 3s arena team |
| 03:09.17 | Shirik | Ret pally, resto druid, moonkin |
| 03:09.22 | Shirik | One of the druids is named "boomkin" |
| 03:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:09.26 | Shirik | The resto druid |
| 03:09.33 | Shirik | totally messing with your head |
| 03:09.47 | kd3 | lol, pretty smart |
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| 03:13.40 | Kraps | yay for dominoes working properly again! |
| 03:17.05 | Kraps | the new shadowmeld is so hax :D |
| 03:21.13 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. So I have a function that I want to be able to handle items linked from chat, but for it to work... I seem to have to put quotes around it-->myFunc([Healing Potion]) doesn't work, but myFunc("[Healing Potion]") does. Any ideas how I get around that? |
| 03:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to see the code context |
| 03:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm curious why that is a problem? |
| 03:22.19 | Hirsute | Without the quotes, I get an "unexpected symbol" error. Pasteying, just a second. |
| 03:23.33 | Hirsute | There's the code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113494 |
| 03:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Welll, I'm kinda broke right now, but unless you're using long lua strings, you have to put quotes around a string in lua |
| 03:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is... well known, and I'd assume you knew that |
| 03:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 03:26.34 | Hirsute | ... I "knew" that... I'm just trying to find a way to force the quoting, so that a slash command could call this function with a user just clicking a link into it. |
| 03:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Am I missing something? |
| 03:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ... oh, I think I see |
| 03:27.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Well any thing you extract from a slash command should be a string, so just strip off the first space delimited token (THe actual /command) and pass the resulting variable to the function? |
| 03:28.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless your string needs quotes inside of it? |
| 03:28.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You're not checking for them so I'd assume you don't |
| 03:28.39 | Hirsute | Nope, it shouldn't. I hadn't tested actually making the slash command yet. Perhaps that will fix things for me. |
| 03:28.54 | Hirsute | I'll give it a go, thanks! |
| 03:28.59 | ScytheBlade1 | If you just pass in a variable string it should work |
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| 03:50.31 | tekkub | CAIR |
| 03:50.39 | tekkub | just post "what tek is about to say" ^^ |
| 03:50.46 | tekkub | cause I already did |
| 03:50.57 | Shirik | Seriously, who is WoWInsider written by? |
| 03:50.59 | Shirik | a bunch of kids? |
| 03:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | At times, that's a compliment |
| 03:51.30 | Shirik | I wanted to see what the end-result of the whole Martin Fury thing was |
| 03:51.35 | Shirik | so wowinsider was the first thing on google |
| 03:51.39 | Shirik | the result: http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/30/the-martin-fury-scandal-karatechop-reveals-all/ |
| 03:51.44 | Shirik | I can't believe they even posted that |
| 03:52.10 | Shirik | admittedly, they didn't do much of the "talking" but it's just so nutty it doesn't even deserve being posted |
| 03:52.11 | Shefki | I found it interesting, why wouldn't they post it? |
| 03:52.26 | Shirik | If a real news agency had an interview like that, they would never release it because it's just full of shit |
| 03:53.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is the problem with that specific article? |
| 03:53.16 | Shirik | I have a problem with the extreme one-sidedness of it |
| 03:53.34 | tekkub | why won't they release it |
| 03:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, fair enough |
| 03:53.47 | tekkub | I mean, don't make it sound like your news agency BELIEVES it |
| 03:53.59 | Shirik | certainly sounds like it here |
| 03:54.03 | tekkub | make it sound like the guy is an idiot |
| 03:54.11 | Shirik | that would be fine |
| 03:54.13 | tekkub | or rather, let him do that himself |
| 03:54.21 | Shirik | but basically the answer to every question here was "k" |
| 03:54.30 | Shirik | er, to every response |
| 03:54.35 | Shirik | instead of having an actual conversation |
| 03:54.45 | tekkub | but yes, wowins is just slightly better signal-to-noise ratio than the forums |
| 03:54.54 | Shirik | that doesn't say much |
| 03:55.13 | tekkub | it's basically taking forum posters... that have an English degree so they at least know how to write |
| 03:55.24 | tekkub | toss in an editor |
| 03:55.31 | tekkub | and ads, lots of ads |
| 03:55.38 | tekkub | and the phrase "after the jump" |
| 03:55.43 | Shirik | I just wish there was a more unbiased, realistic gaming news out there |
| 03:55.45 | tekkub | WE'RE A REAL NEWSPAPER! |
| 03:55.57 | Shirik | "after the jump"? |
| 03:56.15 | tekkub | you dodn't read much wowins |
| 03:56.20 | Shirik | no I do not |
| 03:56.20 | tekkub | and "gaming news" always amuses me |
| 03:56.28 | Shirik | because every time I read it I want to shoot myself |
| 03:56.32 | tekkub | what news is there? release dates and patches |
| 03:56.57 | tekkub | I filter out most of wowins... I watch the addon shit, the screenshots, and the daily Q/A |
| 03:57.03 | tekkub | oh and the comics links on sundays |
| 03:57.16 | tekkub | the rest is just them typing to hear their own keyboards |
| 03:57.59 | Thunder_Child | only so they can drown you out |
| 03:58.25 | tekkub | zing! |
| 03:58.54 | tekkub | poor poor TC, still bitter that I wouldn't play with his fuzziness at BC |
| 04:00.09 | Thunder_Child | it'a ok, i know you were being watched |
| 04:00.42 | Thunder_Child | s/'a/'s/ |
| 04:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: poke, you run f10 with the nv drivers from rpmfusion, right? |
| 04:26.31 | Shefki | jjjjjjj |
| 04:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | kkkkk |
| 04:28.01 | Shirik | lllllll |
| 04:28.09 | Shirik | this almost looks like Carbonite's code |
| 04:28.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik | ok, back to cleaning |
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| 05:15.58 | Shirik|zZz | sighs |
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| 05:16.14 | Shirik | do you ever get pissed at yourself when you have to clean up or something |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik | saying "If I just kept it clean I wouldn't have to do this" |
| 05:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
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| 05:34.19 | Arrowmaster | [1. General] [Valith]: paying 500g for time lost protodrake location pst |
| 05:34.21 | Arrowmaster | i loled |
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| 05:36.13 | |Jelly| | He's still at it? |
| 05:36.15 | Ackis | is home from the hospital! whee! gf looks like a drunk chipmunk roflz |
| 05:36.28 | |Jelly| | I ran HoL like ... four hours ago and he was yelling about that. |
| 05:38.08 | Shirik | hugs Ackis |
| 05:38.19 | Shirik | |Jelly| and Arrowmaster are on the same realm? |
| 05:38.36 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:38.37 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 05:38.46 | Shirik | jots down another realm on the list of possible transfers |
| 05:38.51 | Ackis | I'm sorry |Jelly| |
| 05:38.53 | Arrowmaster | dont |
| 05:38.55 | Ackis | ~comfort |Jelly| |
| 05:38.55 | purl | There, there, |Jelly|. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:39.07 | Shirik | I promise, you realm can't be worse than mine |
| 05:39.09 | |Jelly| | Definitely don't ... Burning Legion is a pile of crap. |
| 05:39.11 | Shirik | I probably won't transfer anyway |
| 05:39.19 | Ackis | hmmm |
| 05:39.25 | Ackis | are you horde or ally? |
| 05:39.30 | Shirik | horde ftw!! |
| 05:39.50 | Arrowmaster | if i actually start playing seriously again im transfering |
| 05:39.53 | Ackis | ackis, shirik, ackis' gf, Arrowmaster, |Jelly| = 1/2 of 10 man ulduar amiright? |
| 05:40.11 | Shirik | is epic healzez |
| 05:40.18 | Ackis | r priest |
| 05:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | s/epic/fail/ |
| 05:40.52 | |Jelly| | Tank/Heal and DPS |
| 05:40.56 | Shirik | ~vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 05:40.57 | purl | in a one on one showdown, wait, whats this? msou| has proceded to jump in the ring, thrash us & drenden kimina us burning legion jelly, and wins. |
| 05:41.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:41.08 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 05:41.26 | |Jelly| | I hope your level 80 beats my level 71 cause if you don't, it's going to be a sad day. |
| 05:41.31 | Shirik | (01:41:18)  -⺠[notice from WoW-Bot]: Shirik: Oops, parse error! You must have screwed up the command somehow. You fail. |
| 05:41.31 | Shirik | NoI think YOU fail |
| 05:41.38 | Shirik | how are you still 71 |
| 05:42.04 | |Jelly| | !char us burning legion seasecon |
| 05:42.34 | |Jelly| | ~char us burning legion lesli |
| 05:43.07 | |Jelly| | lol, I guess they fixed the channel spam problem that used to cause |
| 05:43.35 | Shirik | no |
| 05:43.40 | Shirik | they broke WoW-Bot |
| 05:43.48 | |Jelly| | [00:41]*WoW-Bot*|Jelly|: Seasecon, Level 80 Blood Elf Death Knight (16/52/3). 20651 HP; 100 Mana; 13694 Armour; 6.46% dodge; 15 resilience; 15 expertise; ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/cmubby ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/cca6pm ][ Updated: Sat May 2 20:42:37 2009 EST ]] |
| 05:43.55 | Shirik | o.O |
| 05:44.04 | Arrowmaster | 100 mana..... noob |
| 05:44.05 | Shirik | omg DK |
| 05:44.11 | Shirik | lol 100 mana |
| 05:44.16 | Shirik | !char us drenden kimina |
| 05:44.22 | |Jelly| | Shirik, do you never go to the forums anymore? |
| 05:44.24 | Ackis | ~char us azgalor ackis |
| 05:44.25 | Shirik | Shirik: Kimina, Level 80 Blood Elf Priest (56/15/0). 19710 HP; 14308 Mana; 231 mana regen; 300 spell crit; 109 spell hit; 1521 +spell dmg/heal; 4.20% dodge; 1014 resilience; ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat May 2 20:41:42 2009 EST ]] |
| 05:44.27 | Shirik | not really :( |
| 05:44.34 | Ackis | !char us azgalor ackis |
| 05:44.38 | Shirik | that's my pvp gear though |
| 05:44.40 | Shirik | kinda not fair |
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| 05:44.47 | Arrowmaster | !char us burning legion tokrim |
| 05:44.49 | Ackis | Ackis, Level 80 Troll Priest (19/0/52). 15140 HP; 18178 Mana; 522 mana regen; 161 mp5; 360 spell crit; 1802 +spell dmg/heal; 4.20% dodge; ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/csp6c4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/cz5yqp ][ Updated: Sat May 2 20:45:06 2009 EST ]] |
| 05:44.59 | Shirik | only 522 regen?" |
| 05:45.02 | Shirik | what's wrong with yo! |
| 05:45.09 | Ackis | shadow spec right now |
| 05:45.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:45.15 | Shirik | I'm sorry |
| 05:45.19 | Arrowmaster | Tokrim, Level 80 Orc Warlock (21/50/0). 16684 HP; 15486 Mana; 228 mana regen; 205 spell crit; 356 spell hit; 1521 +spell dmg/heal; 3.26% dodge; ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2c9o3f ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/37je8e ][ Updated: Sat May 2 20:45:20 2009 EST ]] |
| 05:45.20 | Ackis | dual spec ftw |
| 05:45.21 | Shirik | when you roll a real priest let me know |
| 05:45.23 | Arrowmaster | thats so broken |
| 05:45.32 | Ackis | Shirik: I'm holy for raiding :P |
| 05:45.40 | Shirik | Neither of my specs are shadow |
| 05:45.41 | Shirik | eww |
| 05:46.03 | Ackis | i don't pvp |
| 05:46.06 | Ackis | pvp sucks |
| 05:46.16 | Shirik | one of my priests is disc/holy |
| 05:46.18 | Shirik | both raiding specs |
| 05:46.30 | Arrowmaster | ackis grinds reps |
| 05:46.38 | Ackis | ah, I don't consider disc a raiding spec |
| 05:47.09 | Shirik | Actually we've found it quite useful |
| 05:47.12 | Shirik | for single-target healing |
| 05:47.27 | Shirik | his numbers obviously suck |
| 05:47.35 | Shirik | but he does a very good job of keeping tanks up |
| 05:47.43 | Shirik | sadly, I'm not aware of any healing meters that take shields into account |
| 05:47.47 | Ackis | healing metre's are only good to look at your spell breakdown |
| 05:47.51 | Shirik | exactly |
| 05:47.54 | Shirik | That's what I tell people a lot |
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| 05:49.08 | Shirik | so like |
| 05:49.10 | Shirik | rubber gloves |
| 05:49.15 | Shirik | why do they put that powdery stuff inside |
| 05:49.27 | Ackis | make your hands slide in easier |
| 05:49.43 | Shirik | I guess that makes sense |
| 05:50.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Also to keep your hands from sticking |
| 05:54.17 | Shirik | anyway |
| 05:54.21 | Shirik | I has brownies!!! |
| 05:54.24 | Shirik | shares with Cairenn |
| 05:54.35 | Cairenn | YAY Brownies! |
| 05:55.42 | Corrodias | Shirik: i think it also helps against perspiration |
| 05:55.45 | Corrodias | so they're not impossible to get off |
| 05:55.54 | Corrodias | (and get on, as Ackis said) |
| 05:57.43 | Ackis | ~wownpc 9264 |
| 05:57.44 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=9264 http://www.wowdb.com/npc.aspx?id=9264 |
| 05:59.11 | Thunder_Child | "..not the bimbo" |
| 06:00.44 | Ackis | wow arl has some fucked up data |
| 06:00.51 | Ackis | what fucking idiot programmed taht shit |
| 06:01.33 | End | good question |
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| 06:08.29 | Ackis | lua> v = {};v["Type"] = 5; if v["Type"] < 5 then print("rawrz") end |
| 06:08.29 | lua_bot | Ackis: No output |
| 06:08.41 | Ackis | lua> v = {};v["Type"] = 5; if v["Type"] < 6 then print("rawrz") end |
| 06:08.41 | lua_bot | Ackis: rawrz |
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| 06:12.55 | Ackis | methinks i'm getting fancy with my code |
| 06:13.23 | Ackis | if foo then bar = displaystuff; if bar then do stuff here => if foo and displaystuff then |
| 06:18.37 | Shirik | Since various people might be interested |
| 06:18.39 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23183 |
| 06:21.15 | Tenchworks | tasty |
| 06:21.28 | Tenchworks | looking forward to dropping the old cleint |
| 06:21.58 | Ackis | Shirik: i r responded |
| 06:22.12 | Shirik | ok, well I'm finishing up the post still so |
| 06:22.44 | Ackis | pfft |
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| 06:30.00 | Shirik | there you go Ackis, full schedule posted |
| 06:30.09 | Ackis | more cowbell? |
| 06:30.14 | Shirik | yes more cowbell |
| 06:30.31 | Ackis | w00t |
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| 06:34.30 | Thunder_Child | add 48h for various IRC related bitching |
| 06:34.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:36.41 | Thunder_Child | wtf...how could that PerfectH guy have a Diablo UI AND NOT HAVE THE HP/MANA BALLS!!! |
| 06:38.36 | Shirik | Ackis, your guild name is cox? |
| 06:38.41 | Ackis | yes |
| 06:38.48 | Ackis | Salty Ackis <Cox> |
| 06:39.00 | Ackis | i'm too lazy to get my name changed to Bawll |
| 06:39.04 | Ackis | err Bawls |
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| 06:39.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 06:39.54 | Ackis | sup zooty |
| 06:40.24 | Thunder_Child | umm....what? http://fukung.net/v/6780/1396002499_e52fa5f67f_o.jpg |
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| 06:40.54 | Thunder_Child | oh good, it was PS'd |
| 06:40.54 | Zootfizzle | Heya Ackis! |
| 06:41.25 | Shefki | Heya Zootfizzle |
| 06:41.34 | Ackis | Shirik: pro name amiright? |
| 06:41.38 | Zootfizzle | Hello also Shefki! |
| 06:41.50 | Shefki | Maybe you know this offhand. Did you guys remove the fast updates on health bars at some point since 3.0? |
| 06:42.11 | Zootfizzle | We might have removed the fast updates from some health bars depending on how accurate we thought the information was |
| 06:42.18 | Zootfizzle | But I don't know the details |
| 06:42.19 | Thunder_Child | ah Zootfizzle....i command you to go create a IsDispellable APi or somesuch |
| 06:42.22 | Shefki | Reason I ask is becuase the code to support it is still there in your stuff but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 06:42.35 | Fisker- | edi like Thunder_Child |
| 06:42.40 | Cairenn | IS THE WEEKEND! NO BUGGING THE ZOOT ABOUT WORK! |
| 06:42.52 | Fisker- | hey Zootfizzle happy to get off work? |
| 06:42.54 | Thunder_Child | he hasnt been here all week! |
| 06:42.55 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 06:43.02 | Zootfizzle | It's for complicated reasons |
| 06:43.23 | Zootfizzle | If you guys post a thread on the forums called "Stuff for Zootfizzle" and add all your suggestions and questions, I promise I will read it |
| 06:43.29 | Zootfizzle | I just need to know that it's the thread you want me to read |
| 06:43.32 | Zootfizzle | Cogwheel used to have one |
| 06:43.36 | Zootfizzle | But it stopped getting bumped |
| 06:43.58 | Shefki | Zootfizzle: well we're not supposed to make subjects like that... |
| 06:44.04 | Fisker- | http://i43.tinypic.com/35d2dxs.jpg <-i like how this works :3 |
| 06:44.04 | Zootfizzle | That's on the other forums |
| 06:44.09 | Zootfizzle | Where there are CMs other than me |
| 06:44.13 | Zootfizzle | Who will enforce that rule |
| 06:44.29 | Zootfizzle | That's why people post threads in all caps and nobody deletes them |
| 06:44.38 | Zootfizzle | And people resurrect zombie threads and sometimes I lock them |
| 06:44.45 | Fisker- | Well what if i troll the reporting system and get the mods/cm's attention? |
| 06:44.49 | Shefki | But at any rate I have made threads with your / Slouken's name on them. :) |
| 06:44.59 | Fisker- | Or are they just totally told to gtfo? |
| 06:44.59 | Zootfizzle | Okay, I just need you guys to all post in the same one |
| 06:45.14 | Zootfizzle | If you troll the reporting system then they'll come in and delete it |
| 06:45.14 | Ackis | if only I could post... *whimpers* |
| 06:45.26 | Shefki | I'll start a new "Suggestions/Questions" thread. |
| 06:45.26 | Zootfizzle | And that won't help anyone |
| 06:45.38 | Fisker- | Yeah a shame i don't have a US account then |
| 06:45.56 | Zootfizzle | Fisker, if you can convince someone in here to post your questions for the community, I think it will help us all |
| 06:45.58 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, when you do post in in here |
| 06:46.03 | Ackis | Fisker-: I trolled the reporting system and got a blue to post about not trolling the reporting system... :( |
| 06:46.04 | Fisker- | oh no questions |
| 06:46.09 | Fisker- | i just wanted to troll the reporting system |
| 06:46.11 | Zootfizzle | Oh. |
| 06:46.13 | Zootfizzle | Thanks. |
| 06:46.17 | Fisker- | :D |
| 06:46.18 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker-!n=Zootfizz@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot] by Zootfizzle (Kick!) |
| 06:46.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 06:46.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 06:46.23 | Zootfizzle | Welcome back. |
| 06:46.34 | Ackis | ~Zootfizzle++ |
| 06:46.35 | Zootfizzle | I'm sorry, I'm in a straightforward mood. |
| 06:46.44 | Shirik | offers Zootfizzle a brownie |
| 06:46.49 | Zootfizzle | thanks Shirik. |
| 06:47.14 | Fisker- | What kind of a brownie? |
| 06:47.23 | Thunder_Child | dont enable them Shirik |
| 06:47.30 | Shirik | offers Zootfizzle a Negra Modelo along with it |
| 06:47.39 | Zootfizzle | Hopefully one that tastes good. If it has something else in it, I'm sure I'll be happy in about two hours for several hours while I'm actually asleep. |
| 06:48.13 | Zootfizzle | thanks Shirik for that too. |
| 06:48.31 | Zootfizzle | Okay, so you guys are gonna post a new thread for questions, that makes me happy :D |
| 06:48.36 | Zootfizzle | Let's talk about something ridiculous |
| 06:49.07 | Zootfizzle | I think Ackis's feet smell terrible. I know because he's from Europe. Discuss. |
| 06:49.12 | Ackis | wiat |
| 06:49.16 | Ackis | I'm not from Europe |
| 06:49.19 | Zootfizzle | Oh. |
| 06:49.21 | Ackis | is Canadian |
| 06:49.27 | Ackis | eh |
| 06:49.29 | Thunder_Child | same thing |
| 06:49.29 | Zootfizzle | That's like Europe |
| 06:49.32 | Zootfizzle | You hate us |
| 06:49.33 | Ackis | gasps |
| 06:49.34 | Zootfizzle | And you have health care |
| 06:49.39 | Ackis | FREE health care sup! |
| 06:49.45 | Ackis | rubs it in your face |
| 06:49.50 | Zootfizzle | Right, not only is it actual health care, it's free |
| 06:49.59 | Zootfizzle | That's even better |
| 06:50.01 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 06:50.05 | Thunder_Child | well yes, but dont you also have a 25% tax bracket or somesuch? |
| 06:50.09 | Fisker- | Canada is basically france |
| 06:50.15 | Fisker- | makes fun of canada |
| 06:50.25 | Ackis | eh I live in Alberta, our taxes here are generally the same or less than the average in the US |
| 06:50.42 | Zootfizzle | The only part of Canada that's like France doesn't want to be part of Canada because they think that it will be better for them, for some reason. |
| 06:51.06 | Zootfizzle | At least, that's my ignorant American viewpoint :D |
| 06:51.07 | Ackis | can someone post in taht suggestion thread for me to make report spam, punch the spammer in the face irl pls? |
| 06:51.17 | Ackis | eh we don't like quebec too much here either |
| 06:52.16 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/11660/74510c3f63bd3e93d9b1334047a044da.jpg |
| 06:52.26 | Ackis | after side tracking me for like 10 minutes I was finally able to make my commit!!! blast wave glyph, you are fixedededed |
| 06:52.56 | Fisker- | lol Thunder_Child |
| 06:53.22 | Zootfizzle | ROFL |
| 06:53.27 | Ackis | zoot may I toss you a PM? |
| 06:53.32 | Zootfizzle | Surely |
| 06:53.41 | Fisker- | http://fukung.net/v/9357/8554.jpg |
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| 06:54.52 | Shefki | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904201555&postId=169020405338&sid=1 |
| 06:54.58 | Shefki | Suggestion/Question thread exists. |
| 06:55.23 | Shefki | I put 4 reserved posts in so I have room to collate things for you guys. |
| 06:55.45 | Corrodias | interesting, but what's the point of a thread whose purpose appears to be identical to the forum itself? |
| 06:55.48 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, do you want us to tell you then or simply post? |
| 06:55.58 | Shefki | Post. |
| 06:56.01 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, it's all in one place |
| 06:56.08 | Corrodias | but... so is the forum... >_> |
| 06:56.16 | Corrodias | oh sorry |
| 06:56.19 | Shefki | I'll read and try and collate stuff up to the top to make it easier for Zootfizzle |
| 06:56.28 | Corrodias | i misread. i'm used to other forums again. that's the thread title i'm seeing, not the forum name. |
| 06:57.05 | Corrodias | most other forum systems have links to the forum and its parents at the top, so my eyes latched onto the link to the thread... within the thread. |
| 06:58.17 | Zootfizzle | I gave your thread an icon |
| 06:58.22 | Zootfizzle | I'm not going to sticky it |
| 06:58.52 | Zootfizzle | Until it gains momentum :P |
| 06:59.05 | Shefki | Zootfizzle: np |
| 06:59.12 | Shefki | Zootfizzle: Thanks for the blue tag though. :) |
| 06:59.39 | Fisker- | giving it an icon is work! |
| 07:00.01 | Zootfizzle | The same amount of work as kicking you from this channel. |
| 07:00.07 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:00.15 | Fisker- | i didn't even know you had access to blue accounts from home |
| 07:00.56 | Zootfizzle | What makes you think I'm at home? All you know is that it's the weekend and Cairenn doesn't want you to talk to me about work =) |
| 07:01.07 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:01.18 | Thunder_Child | speaking of pb4 Shefki, why do you have to have 6 people in the raid before the party frames go away? |
| 07:01.28 | Shefki | We all know that Zoot really is kept locked in a closet in the basement and has to feed coal into the furnace. |
| 07:02.00 | Thunder_Child | so thats why the forums and servers go down....zoot's on a lunch break |
| 07:02.08 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: raids with fewer than 6 people are considered to be parties in PB4. |
| 07:02.15 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: There's a todo to make that an option. |
| 07:02.16 | Ackis | ehh am I no longer a nerd if I wanted to meet sean astin because of Rudy and not because of LotR? |
| 07:02.28 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, ah, that would be nice. |
| 07:02.53 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, why would you want to meet him at all? |
| 07:03.06 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: It'll get done eventually, atm I'm trying to clean up performance issues. |
| 07:03.08 | Ackis | he was at the CalgaryCon a few weeks ago, I didn't go but wanted to |
| 07:03.21 | Ackis | http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3338/137/43/509774126/n509774126_1638576_3108677.jpg |
| 07:03.35 | Zootfizzle | Ackis, if you think you're not a nerd because you want to meet a guy for some reason other than he portrayed what appeared to be a sexually confused hobbit, you're paranoid and you're a nerd. |
| 07:04.04 | Ackis | rofl |
| 07:04.05 | Shefki | I was gonna say that if he thought he wasn't a nerd for that while hanging out on IRC... |
| 07:04.09 | Shefki | But your answer is better. |
| 07:06.26 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: Sounds like you want is a is_dispelable like there is a is_stealable return to UnitAura(). |
| 07:07.11 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, i was asking about a filter for pb4 and ckknight said it cant happen |
| 07:07.21 | Cairenn | Ackis: in case I didn't actually say it (I thought I did, but I'm not sure) - I'm glad your lady is okay now |
| 07:07.23 | ckknight | hmm? |
| 07:07.34 | Ackis | you did, thanks |
| 07:07.40 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:07.45 | Ackis | we have to go in to the hospital in 4 hours to get more IV stuff |
| 07:07.47 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, err..misread, yes, something liek that |
| 07:07.49 | Thunder_Child | like* |
| 07:08.01 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: *nod* that's what it would take to have that as a filter option in PB4. |
| 07:08.13 | Ackis | but man, her fever... 39.9C which is like 103F... which is when you start to get brain damage |
| 07:08.22 | Shefki | I'm sure as heck not gonna try and make a list of everything dispellable. |
| 07:09.00 | Fisker- | It's a shame that characters have already taken "Balls" and various variations of it |
| 07:09.08 | Fisker- | Salty Balls would be awesome |
| 07:09.23 | Fisker- | Requires me to win the Extravaganza though, which is impossible as horde, wee |
| 07:09.57 | Shefki | How is that impossible? |
| 07:10.12 | Fisker- | like 1:5 horde:alliance ratio? |
| 07:10.33 | Shefki | PVP realm? |
| 07:10.39 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 07:10.48 | Fisker- | There are twinks with a lot of protection money |
| 07:11.02 | Shefki | Transfer to a PVE realm, get your title, transfer back. :P |
| 07:11.02 | Fisker- | Even if i just skip their pools they still follow me |
| 07:11.34 | Fisker- | Haven't tried with the new fishing changes though |
| 07:11.44 | Fisker- | As far as i know there's not much point in doing it anymore |
| 07:11.50 | Fisker- | other than achievement |
| 07:12.16 | Fisker- | I guess i'll give it a shot June 21st |
| 07:13.00 | Shefki | Fisker-: It's still the best fishing pole. |
| 07:13.18 | Fisker- | oh |
| 07:13.23 | Fisker- | i thought it was 30 like the wotlk ones |
| 07:13.51 | Ackis | Fisker- I'm Salty Ackis! |
| 07:14.04 | Shefki | Salty Shefki here. |
| 07:14.17 | Shefki | Fisker-: 40 |
| 07:14.23 | Fisker- | I will be salty balls one day Ackis |
| 07:14.29 | Ackis | my guild is Cox |
| 07:14.30 | End | I could probably do it, but I'd have to recruit a lot of helpers |
| 07:14.39 | End | it's nasty on a pvp realm |
| 07:14.39 | Fisker- | And when that day comes i'll laugh when i get the character rename popup |
| 07:14.45 | Ackis | so Fisker- just think...Salty Ackis of Coz |
| 07:14.47 | Ackis | err Cox |
| 07:14.55 | Shefki | ok wth is the code to do lists on the official forums. |
| 07:15.08 | Shefki | [li] [/li] starts and ends the list. |
| 07:15.21 | Shefki | But how do you get the bullet points on the individual list entries. |
| 07:15.22 | Fisker- | [*] i believe |
| 07:15.27 | Shefki | Tried [*] |
| 07:15.52 | Fisker- | sec |
| 07:16.32 | Fisker- | ah |
| 07:16.35 | Fisker- | it's [li] |
| 07:17.09 | Fisker- | apparently it's like this: |
| 07:17.13 | Fisker- | [ul] |
| 07:17.25 | Fisker- | [li] something[/li] |
| 07:17.27 | Fisker- | [/ul] |
| 07:17.44 | Fisker- | that's just weird |
| 07:18.31 | Shefki | Yeah thanks Fisker. |
| 07:18.42 | Shefki | WTH did I just thank Fisker for helping me... |
| 07:18.50 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:18.55 | Zootfizzle | Look |
| 07:18.59 | Zootfizzle | It was the one time he wasn't a troll |
| 07:19.03 | Zootfizzle | You're supposed to say thanks |
| 07:19.08 | Zootfizzle | Otherwise he won't know when he's being good |
| 07:19.15 | Zootfizzle | Don't mention out loud that you noticed |
| 07:19.16 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Upload your 3.1 compatible mods | You're under arrest for being stupid in a no-stupid zone | "Yeah thanks Fisker" - Shefki |
| 07:19.30 | Zootfizzle | Otherwise he'll think it wasn't a nice thing to do |
| 07:19.31 | Shefki | lol |
| 07:19.35 | Zootfizzle | And it will have been pointless |
| 07:19.39 | Thunder_Child | ~Fisker--- |
| 07:21.23 | Zootfizzle | ~Shekfi++ |
| 07:21.28 | Zootfizzle | ~Thunder_Child-- |
| 07:21.42 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, -- is <3 for Fisker- |
| 07:21.49 | Zootfizzle | Sure. |
| 07:21.53 | Zootfizzle | But you're encouraging him to think that |
| 07:21.53 | Thunder_Child | ask him |
| 07:21.57 | Zootfizzle | By giving it to him |
| 07:22.04 | Zootfizzle | I have to think long term |
| 07:22.07 | Zootfizzle | That's my job in this channel |
| 07:22.24 | Zootfizzle | >_> |
| 07:22.38 | Zootfizzle | ~Thunder_Child++ |
| 07:22.52 | Zootfizzle | Purl told me I already said that. |
| 07:23.00 | Zootfizzle | Sorry, you have to settle for breaking even |
| 07:23.01 | Shirik | ~Fisker-- |
| 07:23.04 | Shirik | ~Fisker--- |
| 07:27.24 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/8276/0dbc25b2e7f3e24ee2990df58276b54f.jpg |
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| 07:53.07 | Fisker- | damn |
| 07:53.09 | Fisker- | outplayed |
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| 08:07.53 | Wobin | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/see_wolfram_alpha_in_action_-_video_and_screenshots.php |
| 08:07.55 | Wobin | interesting |
| 08:15.20 | Fisker- | looks pretty awesome |
| 08:16.18 | Fisker- | i wonder how it works |
| 08:16.30 | Fisker- | like can i vandalize wikipedia and it'll bork up? |
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| 11:29.51 | I440r | can someone explain healbot to me please? |
| 11:30.14 | I440r | im trying to configure it. on the spells tab for left click (for my shammy) it specifies lesser healing wave |
| 11:30.23 | I440r | but when i left click someone they get an earth shield |
| 11:31.14 | I440r | earth sheild is supposed to be on butto0n 4 |
| 11:36.17 | jnwhiteh | I440r: I'm not sure how many people here use Healbot |
| 11:36.24 | jnwhiteh | most people tend to prefer their own unit frames with some click casting addon |
| 11:36.36 | Shirik | grid / clique ftw |
| 11:36.57 | Shirik | it can't get any simpler |
| 11:37.04 | Shirik | well it can |
| 11:37.08 | Shirik | but it gets the job done |
| 11:37.11 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: some people prefer non-clique looking frames |
| 11:37.15 | jnwhiteh | but yeah, that's the general idea |
| 11:39.26 | Industrial | haha i finally got rid of my Crystalforge War Axe aka lollypop on my hunter :D think i've had it longer then a year |
| 11:41.50 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: do you use Grid2, or still Grid1? |
| 11:41.59 | Shirik | grid 1 I believe |
| 11:42.03 | Shirik | I didn't really know there was a "2" |
| 11:42.24 | jnwhiteh | yeah its still in beta |
| 11:42.32 | jnwhiteh | I had performance issues with Grid1 |
| 11:42.34 | Shirik | apparently by different authors too |
| 11:42.36 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 11:42.59 | jnwhiteh | but my needs are pretty specific, so I may just take the addon i did for the book (SquareUnitFrames), toss oUF in it and use that |
| 11:43.00 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
| 11:43.06 | jnwhiteh | or hell, SUF isn't bad :P |
| 11:43.08 | jnwhiteh | actually |
| 11:43.30 | Shirik | I really wish conspiracy got finished, but such is life |
| 11:43.41 | jnwhiteh | oUF is an incredibly solid base for unit frames |
| 11:43.44 | Shirik | some day I'll go back to it, but there are more pressing matters at hand |
| 11:43.46 | jnwhiteh | I don't know that I'd write without it these days |
| 11:44.29 | jnwhiteh | actually shows pets in the same frame as well |
| 11:44.32 | jnwhiteh | aggro detection |
| 11:44.39 | jnwhiteh | I should release it, heh |
| 11:45.29 | Shirik | Reading the details on Grid2, I'm also not convinced of the author |
| 11:45.35 | Shirik | he seems to have too much confidence in users |
| 11:46.52 | zenzelezz | gah, I hate books with lots of typos. Like going from "Trisha" on the fifth line on one page to "Tricia" on the 10th line from the bottom of the same page; and equivalent typos scattered elsewhere |
| 11:47.05 | jnwhiteh | zenzelezz: that's so painful =( |
| 11:47.22 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Or your school's catalog |
| 11:47.29 | Shirik | that says "Academic Calender" at the top |
| 11:47.35 | zenzelezz | >.< |
| 11:48.17 | Shirik | I should point out that our humanities department is not that bright imho :) |
| 11:48.38 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 11:49.18 | Shirik | so like, for the past few weeks I've had books and papers scattered all over my bed because I've been doing work |
| 11:49.23 | Shirik | and I had this little corner to sleep in |
| 11:49.29 | Shirik | I finally cleaned up |
| 11:49.37 | Shirik | I forgot how nice it is to have a full bed |
| 11:50.22 | zenzelezz | I use my bed for storage a lot too. Find myself wondering sometimes if it'd be easier to just fetch the sleeping bag and sleep on the floor than to move stuff around when I want to sleep |
| 11:50.45 | zenzelezz | but then the floor isn't exactly uncluttered either |
| 11:51.02 | Shirik | I know what you mean |
| 11:51.45 | Shirik | :( Pandora started doing audio ads |
| 11:52.04 | Shirik | I guess they really have to |
| 11:52.20 | Shirik | I doubt even 1% of their population actually looks at pandora while it's running |
| 11:52.36 | zenzelezz | what is Pandora? Some sort of audio streaming service? |
| 11:53.08 | Shirik | music of awesomeness |
| 11:53.20 | Shirik | You set up a channel by giving it a artist or song title |
| 11:53.27 | Shirik | then say thumbs up or thumbs down to songs |
| 11:53.35 | Shirik | and it tunes your channel to your taste |
| 11:53.43 | Shirik | it's part of the "Music Genome Project" |
| 11:54.23 | zenzelezz | if the music it chooses is generally good, I don't mind the occasional ad in the stream, unless it's awfully poorly made |
| 11:54.43 | Shirik | after a few days the music it chooses seems amazing to me |
| 11:54.54 | Shirik | I have about 20 channels, radically different in nature |
| 11:55.03 | Shirik | and I like them all, and they are pretty well focused |
| 11:55.23 | zenzelezz | a co-worker uses last.fm a lot. He left his computer at work playing music all weekend once to train it to his taste |
| 11:55.38 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(music_service) |
| 11:59.18 | Shirik | omg! |
| 11:59.25 | Shirik | They released Pandora for Blackberry Storm |
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| 12:02.26 | Shirik | I go to sleep now baibai |
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| 12:55.21 | Cide | how nice of you to pop in |
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| 13:07.40 | p3lim | if I parent a secure frame to a non-secure frame, does that non-secure frame become secure? |
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| 13:11.54 | Industrial | at what level can you enter dalaran again? 74? |
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| 13:12.24 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 13:12.30 | Industrial | k |
| 13:13.53 | Kalroth | you can get a portal from level 1 :p |
| 13:14.07 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty sure that's now what he meant |
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| 13:14.14 | zenzelezz | *not |
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| 13:25.51 | p3lim | Industrial: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12794 |
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| 13:30.28 | Industrial | just needed the level. |
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| 13:39.06 | p3lim | if I parent a secure frame to a non-secure frame, does that non-secure frame become secure? |
| 13:42.13 | p3lim | rather, what does the two returns of :IsProtected() mean? |
| 13:46.48 | mikma | !api IsProtected |
| 13:46.49 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'Region:IsProtected' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/IsProtected |
| 13:49.43 | WobWork | so |
| 13:50.04 | WobWork | How would one describe the concept of a breadcrumb trail to people who do not have the cultural influence of the Grimm Brothers? |
| 13:53.24 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.52 | Wobin | indeed, but the 'breadcrumb' trail is used nowadays as a browsing tool sort of thing |
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| 13:54.11 | Wobin | so I need some way of describing the concept that doesn't reference breadcrumbs =) |
| 13:54.48 | zenzelezz | just call it a trail |
| 13:54.59 | Wobin | or rather, I'm trying to describe how the forward and back buttons work on a browser |
| 13:55.36 | foxlit | to whom? |
| 13:55.51 | Wobin | people who have never used a computer before =) |
| 13:55.59 | Wobin | and have no real concept of what the Internet is |
| 13:56.24 | foxlit | And you want "how [stuff] works" or "what [stuff] does"? |
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| 13:56.44 | Wobin | more the latter |
| 13:56.51 | Wobin | the actual mechanics don't matter so much |
| 14:00.11 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether the breadcrumb metaphor is useful; but if you wanted another instance, you could use the string used in the Labyrinth. |
| 14:00.43 | Wobin | aye =) |
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| 14:01.24 | Cide | um |
| 14:01.26 | Cide | most people are familiar with the concept of books |
| 14:01.41 | Cide | you can easily translate forward/backward into that |
| 14:01.51 | Cide | the pages are just not as related |
| 14:02.18 | Cide | forward being next page, backward being previous, that is |
| 14:06.32 | Wobin | good idea |
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| 14:10.37 | p3lim | mikma: the 2nd return aint documented |
| 14:10.53 | mikma | it's one of those "undocumented features" |
| 14:10.59 | p3lim | yep |
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| 14:42.58 | jnwhiteh | its just undocumented because I didn't do that function |
| 14:43.05 | jnwhiteh | the widget documentation is sparse at the moment, something I am working on |
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| 16:24.12 | Etanol | o hai |
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| 16:25.28 | Etanol | lua> print(os.time()); |
| 16:25.28 | lua_bot | Etanol: 1241367928 |
| 16:25.36 | Etanol | yay |
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| 16:33.35 | Etanol | hehe |
| 16:33.41 | Etanol | wowuidev via pidgin <3 |
| 16:33.43 | Etanol | brb |
| 16:33.59 | Kraftman | is it better to wipe() a table or just create a new one? |
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| 16:35.20 | Iriel | Kraftman: It depends how often you need to do it |
| 16:35.28 | Kraftman | quite a lot |
| 16:35.33 | Iriel | if you've got a table you use a great many times in a short space of time, then I find wipe is better |
| 16:35.47 | Kraftman | ok thanks |
| 16:35.56 | Iriel | it's all a tradeoff though |
| 16:37.21 | Iriel | wipe has a small cost each time you use it, discard + re-use is quicker atthe moment of discard, but will cause the garbage collector to have to do a bunch of work later, which can result in a more noticable pause (even though in some cases the per-table cost is slightly lower than wipe |
| 16:37.51 | Kraftman | ty |
| 16:38.23 | Kraftman | im trying to sort buffs by duration so im having to do UnitAura() twice, once to get all of the durations, and then again to set up the buffs etc |
| 16:39.03 | krka | depends on the size of the table too |
| 16:39.22 | krka | if contains few elements, and it's strictly a working-table, it's good to wipe it |
| 16:43.31 | Iriel | Yeah, it's one of those things that there's no "always right" answer |
| 16:44.08 | Kraftman | its always going to be less than 30 entries, so i guess ill use wipe |
| 16:44.09 | zenzelezz | it's always right to either wipe() or not |
| 16:44.25 | Ackis | Iriel: there's ALWAYS a right answer... 42 |
| 16:45.52 | Iriel | I think Storm peaks has some of the best zone music in the game |
| 16:46.56 | Etanol | I think spotify rules out in-game music |
| 16:47.20 | zenzelezz | I couldn't care less about Spotify \o/ |
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| 16:48.14 | Etanol | you are cool and alternative :) |
| 16:48.29 | Etanol | I admire you |
| 16:48.53 | zenzelezz | or stubborn and resistant to change |
| 16:49.12 | Iriel | What is spotify? |
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| 16:49.29 | mikma | iriel: swedish service for listening music online |
| 16:49.45 | mikma | iriel: works with BGM + Sony + ... etc |
| 16:49.46 | Etanol | UK service* |
| 16:49.51 | Etanol | forgot it isn't available in US |
| 16:49.53 | mikma | BMG? BGM |
| 16:50.03 | mikma | etanol: swedish :P |
| 16:50.09 | Iriel | Like pandora etc? |
| 16:50.26 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 16:51.11 | Etanol | endless music streaming with minimal (like if it was on your HDD) latency |
| 16:51.26 | Etanol | only downside is ads from time to time |
| 16:51.36 | Etanol | unless premium |
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| 16:52.38 | Ackis | OMG PREMIUM how dare they!!! I AM ENTITLED |
| 16:53.02 | Iriel | I guess one could just have said "Listening to other music while playing rules out in-game music" |
| 16:53.03 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 16:53.13 | Iriel | I turn off the in game music if I've got iTunes up |
| 16:54.29 | zenzelezz | heresy! I play with in-game music, out-of-game-on-computer music, radio and TV on! |
| 16:54.46 | mikma | etanol: hahaa, we were both wrong! |
| 16:54.58 | mikma | etanol: Founded: 2006 by Daniel Ek and Martin Lorentzon, Location: Based in Europe with parent company in Luxemburg and headquarters in the UK and R&D in Stockholm |
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| 16:56.08 | Grum | is there any 'nice' way to make a text wrap over 2 lines if it gets to long? ea specify an 'area' where the font will be rendered (double height of the fontsize orso) -- read only is more than perfect :) |
| 16:56.33 | Iriel | Beyond use a scrolling message frame, I dont think so.. |
| 16:57.31 | Moleculor | I've browed the index of the book, not seeing anything, is there a way of finding out the online/offline status of a particular character? |
| 16:57.43 | foxlit | font strings with specified widths probably work |
| 16:57.50 | Iriel | No easy way, unless perhaps they're in your guild |
| 16:57.55 | Iriel | or party |
| 16:58.04 | Iriel | or friend list |
| 16:58.16 | Moleculor | Those'll do? |
| 16:58.49 | Iriel | The friend and guild query API's have status returns |
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| 17:03.10 | Moleculor | Friend query API? Is my book that out of date? |
| 17:03.58 | Iriel | name, level, class, area, connected, status, RAF = GetFriendInfo(index) |
| 17:04.37 | Moleculor | What category is that listed under? Only F I see is Faction. |
| 17:04.53 | Moleculor | Unless I'm looking at the wrong section? |
| 17:05.06 | Iriel | How would I know which book you were looking at? 8-) |
| 17:05.24 | Moleculor | Psychic powers. Duh. |
| 17:05.35 | Moleculor | (World of Warcraft Programming.) |
| 17:06.30 | Iriel | It's on page 487 |
| 17:06.55 | Moleculor | Yeah, found it in that section once I knew the name, I'm just looking for the section that would have told me the name to start with. |
| 17:07.15 | Moleculor | I see a section for Guild API stuff/things, but not one for friends. |
| 17:07.49 | WhiteWolf | i find it easier to use a computer text listing of all the functions to get a hint where to start |
| 17:09.17 | Moleculor | So... Ctrl+F? |
| 17:10.33 | WhiteWolf | mhum |
| 17:12.23 | Moleculor | Ok, next question, even stupider: Indexes for guild lists and friends lists... how do I obtain them? (Can you tell I'm a newbie?) |
| 17:13.39 | WhiteWolf | it's ok |
| 17:14.30 | WhiteWolf | the indexes for friends is between 1 and GetNumFriends() |
| 17:14.51 | WhiteWolf | are* i guess |
| 17:15.26 | Moleculor | O.O... so in order to find out an individual's friend index number so I can find out if they're online, I have to first query -every single individual person- on my friends list, one index number at a time, ditto for guildies? |
| 17:16.02 | WhiteWolf | there's no trivial friend function to get a friend by name |
| 17:16.36 | Iriel | Bear in mind that (a) the GetFriendInfo function is very fast and (b) there's an event that fires (I think) whenever the return values from it would have changed |
| 17:17.04 | WhiteWolf | yeah, GetFriendInfo() comes off the local client's friend state |
| 17:17.15 | Moleculor | So it's not querying the server? |
| 17:17.16 | Iriel | and (c) if blizzard DID implement GetFriendInfoByName then they'd just be iterating over the list anyway |
| 17:17.22 | WhiteWolf | Moleculor: nope |
| 17:17.32 | WhiteWolf | to force an update, you can do ShowFriends() |
| 17:17.33 | Moleculor | Ah, K. That makes me feel a bit better. |
| 17:17.53 | WhiteWolf | the event is helpful to catch the periodic friends list updates -- but it has no arguments iirc |
| 17:17.57 | Iriel | Almost without exception, none of the API calls query the server |
| 17:18.17 | Iriel | The closest is calls that send a query to the server, and then return, you get an event fired when the server responds |
| 17:18.29 | Moleculor | Yeah, it doesn't. (Flipped to the function fast-like-a-bunny.) |
| 17:18.35 | Moleculor | Ah, ok. |
| 17:18.44 | WhiteWolf | it makes sense for them to do it like that |
| 17:18.55 | Moleculor | So... is there a -hard- way of finding out if there's someone online who isn't a friend and isn't a guildmate? |
| 17:19.13 | Iriel | Send them a whisper, and block the error message if they're not |
| 17:19.24 | Iriel | (and catch the error event) |
| 17:19.32 | Iriel | Note that it's asynchronous |
| 17:19.36 | Iriel | so you can't find out RIGHT NOW |
| 17:20.04 | WhiteWolf | you could send a who query |
| 17:20.09 | Iriel | that too |
| 17:20.13 | Moleculor | There's a who API call? |
| 17:20.14 | Iriel | it's just as annoying as the whisper |
| 17:20.16 | WhiteWolf | yes |
| 17:20.23 | Iriel | But it's also throttled to one every X seconds |
| 17:20.24 | WhiteWolf | SendWho() |
| 17:20.39 | Iriel | Blocking the response is a bit more work too |
| 17:20.42 | WhiteWolf | GetNumWhoResults() |
| 17:20.44 | Moleculor | Yeah, just like regular who. |
| 17:20.56 | Iriel | on the bright side, it's got more information if they ARE online |
| 17:21.07 | WhiteWolf | SetWhoToUI() -- that's what you use |
| 17:21.40 | WhiteWolf | (of course blocking the system message to the chat frame is another problem) |
| 17:22.23 | Moleculor | Yeah, why DO they have that stupid 'who frame' anyhow? It never has as much information as the chat box does. |
| 17:22.39 | Iriel | Try doing a who on a guild |
| 17:22.41 | WhiteWolf | it's got buttons for people who aren't comfortable with console commands |
| 17:22.47 | Iriel | (aka "do your homework" 8-)) |
| 17:23.00 | Fisker- | Does Freya add the conservatorium when engaged? |
| 17:23.10 | Iriel | and I think it has MORE information than the chat box |
| 17:23.19 | WhiteWolf | it has the same amount of information |
| 17:23.23 | WhiteWolf | it's reading from the event too |
| 17:23.25 | Moleculor | She adds her three minibosses, at least. |
| 17:24.04 | Moleculor | WhiteWolf: I've never been able to obtain zone information from a /who on a string matching more than four results. |
| 17:24.46 | Iriel | I just did /who a |
| 17:24.50 | Iriel | 49 results, a whole ton of zones |
| 17:24.54 | Iriel | so I'm not sure what you're doing |
| 17:25.18 | Moleculor | ... Huh. Wonder what I'm thinking of then. |
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| 17:25.28 | WhiteWolf | there's no reason you wouldn't be abl eto |
| 17:25.37 | Moleculor | Guild name! |
| 17:25.41 | Moleculor | Meant guild name. :D |
| 17:25.57 | Moleculor | I fail at basic English. |
| 17:26.18 | Iriel | Ditto guild name |
| 17:26.28 | WhiteWolf | i've never had a problem with any of the returns of GetWhoInfo() |
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| 17:26.29 | Shirik | Random question |
| 17:26.29 | Moleculor | Huh? |
| 17:26.36 | Moleculor | Oh, I meant the UI frame. |
| 17:26.36 | scientes | http://kotaku.com/5228209/warcraft-on-an-iphone-but-is-it-coming-to-yours |
| 17:26.39 | luanoob | is it possible ot hook a function with a new addon such that when the original addon calls one of its own functions the new function in the new addon is called instead? |
| 17:26.56 | Shirik | Let's take the sample call stack http://wowi.pastey.net/113528/2:3:4 which has a call to doPrivileged() which works a lot like Blizzard's securecall() |
| 17:26.57 | WhiteWolf | O_O |
| 17:27.01 | Iriel | luanoob: It depends if the function was global |
| 17:27.13 | Shirik | Is it safe to act on the permissions from stack level 2, or should I also check stack level 4? |
| 17:27.32 | Iriel | That dependss on what your contract is supposed to be |
| 17:27.52 | Iriel | securecall doesn't give ANY privilege escallation |
| 17:27.56 | Iriel | it just prevents back-flow of taint |
| 17:28.02 | Iriel | so I'm not sure you're using the term correctly |
| 17:28.13 | luanoob | so in concept if the original function is global, ie accessable outside of the the lua file it resides in, then yes I can get other code to run instead of the original function code? |
| 17:28.30 | Shirik | hm ok maybe I have securecall mixed up |
| 17:29.12 | Shirik | but anyway, I'm trying to abide by Java's doPrivileged contract, that is, anyone who calls doPrivilged is saying "I have already checked the people that have called me and I am responsible for my own security" |
| 17:29.27 | Shirik | So it should only be run in the context of the person who called it |
| 17:29.53 | Iriel | I think in that case you would only check (2) |
| 17:29.56 | Shirik | but can you see a danger of only checking stack level 3+ in the example instead of 4+? |
| 17:30.07 | Shirik | (3 would imply 2 since 3 is trusted code) |
| 17:30.11 | Iriel | because doPrivileged acts as a gateway, it looks at the stack below it to see if the priv. action is permitted |
| 17:30.20 | Iriel | if it continues to invoke a secure action,t hen you HAVE to only look at 3 |
| 17:30.23 | Iriel | I mean 2 |
| 17:30.39 | Iriel | because if you could still perform the action looking at 4+, you wouldn't have needed doPrivileged in the first place |
| 17:30.41 | Moleculor | Trying to follow this conversation is making my head hurt. :D |
| 17:31.34 | WhiteWolf | they're just discussing permssions |
| 17:31.50 | Shirik | Iriel: Well thing is |
| 17:31.57 | Fisker- | oh well we find out WhiteWolf :P |
| 17:31.58 | Fisker- | she does |
| 17:32.03 | Shirik | you might have access to do it at 4+, but if something around, say, 14, would block it |
| 17:32.04 | Fisker- | though not the whole conservatory |
| 17:32.06 | Moleculor | WhiteWolf: I know that much, but it's like trying to listen to people speaking in a language I only know how to order fries in. |
| 17:32.15 | luanoob | it makes you head hurt, i'm trying to guess if any of this is a reply to my function call interception thingy :) |
| 17:32.27 | WhiteWolf | luanoob: no |
| 17:32.37 | Shirik | One of the biggest places doPrivileged() is used is in class loaders where Java will verify permissions on its own, then do some sensitive things in a doPrivileged call |
| 17:33.38 | Iriel | Shirik: 4+ would include 14 |
| 17:33.50 | luanoob | i think i'll go away with a tenative yes, global functions can be intercepted so that a new function is called instead |
| 17:33.51 | Shirik | then we're talking in different directions, sorry :) |
| 17:33.59 | Iriel | Shirik: So you wouldn't have access at 4+ if you didn't have access at 14, unless there's another doPriviliged in th emiddle |
| 17:34.10 | Shirik | by 4+ I mean "stack level 4 and what it has called" |
| 17:34.17 | Shirik | not "stack level 4 and its callers" |
| 17:34.31 | Iriel | I was talking purely literall |
| 17:34.35 | Iriel | 4+ being 4, 5, 6, .... N |
| 17:34.45 | Shirik | ok, 4- or 2- then :) |
| 17:35.23 | Iriel | So as I see it |
| 17:35.46 | Iriel | Any check needs to stop when it encounters a doPriviledged (when running down the stack starting at 1) |
| 17:35.58 | Iriel | Since doPrivileged's contract says |
| 17:36.06 | Iriel | "I'll only let through what I trust" |
| 17:36.47 | Shirik | Like let's say A calls B whom calls C. A does not have permission to call C but B does. Normally this would be blocked. However, if B is confident about its security, it may wrap the call to C in a doPrivileged block, in which case permissions should be limited to B and C |
| 17:36.47 | Iriel | Though obviously you do need to check that the doPriviledged has authority to do the action 8-) |
| 17:36.47 | Iriel | yes |
| 17:37.25 | Iriel | And that manifests itself by C's doPriviledged checking that it trusts its caller (and doesn't MASSIVELY distrust any of that's callers) |
| 17:37.48 | Shirik | here's the real problem I'm having. I could do it from 4- but actually finding 4 is difficult. I could do it from 2-, but there's a potential security flaw there. |
| 17:37.58 | Iriel | Treat it exactly like a social contract |
| 17:38.03 | Shirik | The real problem is finding who called doPrivileged really |
| 17:38.10 | Iriel | Someone comes up to you and asks you to remove a post on wowinterface |
| 17:38.59 | Iriel | Yeah, that's generally the tricky bit (in the computing and social spaces) |
| 17:39.35 | Shirik | I could just go one stack level beyond doPrivileged to check security, but sadly even the SDK warns against that |
| 17:39.51 | Shirik | because someone could call java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke() to call doPrivileged |
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| 17:40.03 | Shirik | in which case that would be what's one stack level beyond it, and that's trusted code |
| 17:40.11 | Shirik | so there are special cases where I need to go 2 beyond it |
| 17:40.14 | Iriel | Those sorts of things are very tricky |
| 17:40.22 | Adys | In english, how do you call a number that doesn't have any digit after the comma? |
| 17:40.26 | Iriel | I would expect you have to explicitly implement every action |
| 17:40.33 | Shirik | Adys: Comma? |
| 17:40.36 | Adys | dot |
| 17:40.37 | Adys | whatever |
| 17:40.38 | Iriel | Adys: I assume you mean decimal point |
| 17:40.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:40.42 | Iriel | Adys: Integer |
| 17:40.42 | Shirik | integer |
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| 17:40.49 | Adys | Ok thanks |
| 17:41.04 | airtonix | and one that does is a floating point integer? |
| 17:41.10 | Iriel | no |
| 17:41.16 | Iriel | it's a decimal number |
| 17:41.20 | airtonix | ok |
| 17:41.24 | Iriel | floating point is a computing term |
| 17:41.37 | krka | or a real number |
| 17:41.40 | Shirik | could say real number, but 1 is a real number too |
| 17:41.44 | Shirik | krka beat me :( |
| 17:42.18 | Iriel | Actually, I'm mis-using my terminology |
| 17:42.35 | Iriel | The correct phrase would be 'non-integer' |
| 17:42.46 | Adys | what's wrong with decimal? |
| 17:42.59 | Iriel | integers are decimal numbers |
| 17:43.01 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 17:43.10 | Iriel | you could I suppose say 'number with a decimal place' |
| 17:43.19 | Adys | dammit |
| 17:43.24 | Iriel | decimal is just a base you see |
| 17:43.27 | Adys | english needs to stop being different from french >:( |
| 17:43.36 | Iriel | you could have 0110110001.0001011 |
| 17:43.41 | Iriel | that's a non-integer, binary, number |
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| 17:46.40 | Shirik | I guess here's my argument: I think in general (assuming permissions are granted to packages), 4- would be equivalent to 2- because you would do it with an inner class. I can't think of any way around that |
| 17:46.48 | Shirik | As far as I'm aware, Java doesn't leak any PrivilegedAction objects |
| 17:47.25 | Shirik | Security is fun :) |
| 17:48.39 | Iriel | Shirik: I think I largely agree with THAT part |
| 17:49.23 | Iriel | Shirik: that 2- and 4- are really the same from that perspective, BUT it's probablyw orth checking 4- in case someone calls 3 directly (yes, that shouldn't be possible, but it doesn't hurt to be sure) |
| 17:50.27 | Iriel | When someone else's files are at stake, the question is never "Was I too paranoid", it's always "Was I paranoid enough?" |
| 17:50.31 | Shirik | Let me show you an example |
| 17:52.42 | Shirik | This is an example of how it's used: http://wowi.pastey.net/113529 |
| 17:53.21 | Shirik | Almost anyone can call doPrivileged. The objective is that the method is saying "I've already checked the security of my callers, so even though they can't call bar() here, I'm taking the blame if something goes wrong" |
| 17:53.59 | Shirik | This would require that the class containing foo() DOES have permission to call bar(), but its callers might not |
| 17:54.37 | Shirik | so it's kinda like stripping out taint from the current execution path, if you will. |
| 17:54.55 | Iriel | Yes, which is what the blizzard C API's do essentially |
| 17:55.07 | Iriel | since they're not bound by taint |
| 17:55.08 | Shirik | Now in this case, the security context of "the caller of doPrivileged" and "the privileged call" are the same -- they're both classes in the same package |
| 17:55.25 | Shirik | but you could theoretically pass in a call to doPrivileged a class from a different package |
| 17:55.28 | Iriel | yes, but the context is different, right? |
| 17:55.45 | Shirik | s/class/object/ |
| 17:55.55 | Iriel | If you ask the security manager a question on either side of the doPrivileged call, you'll get a potentially different answer |
| 17:56.02 | Shirik | right |
| 17:58.21 | Etanol | hmm |
| 17:58.34 | Etanol | Iriel: have you tried curlftpfs? |
| 17:58.50 | Iriel | So really (2) just has to check that it trusts (4) (and trivially 3) |
| 17:59.02 | Iriel | Etanol: I have not |
| 17:59.27 | Kraps | hows this for pvp http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LhrhdfIzxbrRzGuio0E0s |
| 18:04.28 | Shirik | Iriel: I forget, are you an Eclipse or a Netbeans guy? |
| 18:04.39 | Shirik | you like emacs, so probably eclipse |
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| 18:07.01 | Iriel | Eclipse but largely because the netbeans developers who implemented "emacs mode" weren't actually emacs users so screwed it up so badly it's unusable. |
| 18:07.10 | Iriel | I'd like to use netbeans |
| 18:07.31 | Shirik | emacs mode? |
| 18:07.37 | Iriel | Key bindings |
| 18:07.55 | Shirik | Well I really like netbeans :) |
| 18:08.01 | Iriel | I like many things about it |
| 18:08.04 | Iriel | but it's unusable |
| 18:08.31 | Shirik | I don't think I'd call it unusable o.O |
| 18:08.34 | Shirik | I use it on a regular basis |
| 18:08.40 | Iriel | Yes, but you've not trained yourself to use emacs |
| 18:08.41 | Iriel | I have |
| 18:08.53 | Iriel | Emacs has the concept of the 'mark' |
| 18:09.13 | Iriel | Most of the region editing works on the text between the mark and the point (the point is your cursor) |
| 18:09.31 | Iriel | If you're a mouse user, think about dragging out a selection area |
| 18:09.38 | Iriel | the start of the selection would be the mark |
| 18:09.50 | Iriel | Anyway, netbeans doesn't have any way to set the mark |
| 18:10.14 | Shirik | I think I get it |
| 18:12.52 | Iriel | I suspect it would feel a little like having left and right arrows work, but up and down arrows dont, and you have to use the mouse for that |
| 18:13.17 | Iriel | and left and right dont move off the ends of the line to the next/previous one |
| 18:13.37 | Iriel | That's not a great parallel, but it's as close as I can think |
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| 18:17.50 | Etanol | Iriel: how long does it take to master most of emacs? |
| 18:18.09 | Adys | a lifetime |
| 18:18.11 | Adys | shoot yourself |
| 18:19.14 | Etanol | :/ |
| 18:19.19 | Adys | it'll be faster. |
| 18:19.24 | Etanol | guess I'll not get it then |
| 18:19.24 | zenzelezz | he would if he could find the key combination |
| 18:19.49 | zenzelezz | ^G ^H ^L ^P ^D |
| 18:23.07 | Iriel | To be honest you can get comfortable in a week |
| 18:23.19 | Iriel | You can be 'good' in a month |
| 18:23.33 | Iriel | You wont know how you didn't use it after a year 8-) |
| 18:24.10 | Iriel | YMMV of course, and I learned emacs on a non-graphical machine, so it may be easier if you have the mouse and cursor keys to helpyou |
| 18:25.36 | Etanol | ~emacs |
| 18:25.37 | purl | i heard emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
| 18:25.46 | Etanol | ^^ |
| 18:26.09 | Etanol | still hate how the keyboard layout differs from win :/ |
| 18:26.24 | Etanol | ctrl+alt should do the same thing as altgr IMO |
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| 19:14.50 | Grum | emacs is bleh |
| 19:15.04 | Grum | for the simple reason that hardly any 'clean' unixbox has it installed |
| 19:15.33 | Iriel | Grum: That's why a working knowledge of vi (to install emacs) is important |
| 19:15.42 | Grum | hihi indeed |
| 19:15.54 | Grum | though i like vim better |
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| 19:21.45 | Tem | A guildmate of mine recently merged his wow account with his blizzard account |
| 19:21.50 | Tem | since doing so, he cannot log in |
| 19:21.55 | Tem | he gets "cannot connect" |
| 19:22.01 | Tem | what gives? |
| 19:22.38 | netcurse | he needs to log in with his email |
| 19:23.16 | Tem | he is doing that |
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| 19:23.36 | Tem | also, trying to log in with your wow account after a merge gives a more informative error |
| 19:23.42 | Fisker- | is the battle.net login server in the realmlist.wtf file? |
| 19:24.04 | Tem | I'm pretty sure he did that |
| 19:24.09 | Fisker- | ok |
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| 20:05.10 | Etanol | meh |
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| 20:11.33 | Fisker- | ~tryme |
| 20:11.34 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at fisker- and fires. Click. |
| 20:12.15 | Tenchworks | ~tryme |
| 20:12.16 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at tenchworks and fires. Click. |
| 20:15.39 | Robsato | I am trying to put a huge text on the screen. So I have a frame with a fontstring and I do SetFont("Fonts\\FRIZQT__.TTF", size, "OUTLINE") on that fontstring. For values of size up to 30 I see the textsize changing but for values above 30 the size stays the same. |
| 20:15.48 | Robsato | Is there some kind of limit to the size? |
| 20:15.58 | Kirov_ | Yes |
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| 20:16.31 | Kirov_ | To scale larger you'll need to scale the object itself, but I wouldn't suggest it. |
| 20:16.41 | Kirov_ | Scaled fonts look oogly |
| 20:16.49 | Fisker- | ~tryme |
| 20:16.50 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at fisker- and fires. Click. |
| 20:21.41 | Robsato | How would I scale it? A fontstring does not have SetScale and scaling the frame does not seem to work |
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| 20:22.01 | Kirov_ | SetTextHeight() |
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| 20:27.09 | JackBurton7676 | can anyone explain this 0/40/41 lock build? |
| 20:27.25 | JackBurton7676 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IZcG0hkAbihcrZVbGVdzuVo |
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| 20:29.47 | Grum | yes it is impossible |
| 20:29.50 | Robsato | Thanks Kirov_ that worked just fine, but it is indeed ugly :-( |
| 20:31.09 | Grum | JackBurton7676: you cant spec that amount of points and its just a fire destro spec? |
| 20:35.10 | Aznamir | with conflag nerf 0/40/31 is not that good anymore |
| 20:35.44 | Aznamir | i believe two other specs are the bees knees |
| 20:36.07 | Kirov_ | Robsato - There are basically two options for displaying big text on the screen. A) Deal with the ugly. B) use your own texture based font. |
| 20:36.40 | Iriel | Bear in mind that, behind the scenes, wow has to create a set of textures for the font at the size you ask for, that's why there's a limit. |
| 20:37.15 | Kirov_ | Depending on what you plan on displaying on screen, if it's a couple of consistent messages you can just make textures for it, or if it's numbers you can make 0-9 and display that. |
| 20:39.43 | Kirov_ | Yeah, I think it's key to note that for wow's scaled fonts you're not just talking about 26 letters and 10 numbers, you're looking at closer to 100 letters to support umlauts and other accented characters, along with capitals, special characters (~!@#$ etc), and that's just for english / german / spanish clients. |
| 20:40.31 | Kirov_ | For asian clients you need all of those plus what ever character set is needed for that localization. |
| 20:42.16 | Robsato | The idea was to have the text userspecifiable, so that means deal with ugly. But maybe I should make it a fixed message so I can just make a texture. I will experiment with it a bit |
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| 21:25.02 | EVmaker | Hello, may I ask a question? |
| 21:25.46 | Tem | ~asktoask |
| 21:25.46 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:28.43 | foxlit | "This is not good design. This is not even bad design. This is incompetent design. Anything that rewards players for pissing off other players is incompetent design." |
| 21:28.45 | EVmaker | Alright, well I have a question related to copyrights and such. I have a mod, which is released on WoWI and WoWUI, and while trying to get in touch with Curse about it, I found another mod that was on their site due to a similar name, I took a gander at it and it is basically a near complete ripoff my my mod, though simple having names changed here and there |
| 21:29.22 | EVmaker | so my question, is this mod legal, are they allowed to do so, or do I need to try and get in contact with curse about it |
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| 21:30.18 | Dewin | EVmaker: If the license for your mod doesn't say you allow people to do that, then they can't do that. |
| 21:30.46 | alestane | If your mod does not include a license granting rights to redistribute or modify it, and the other mod is clearly derivative of your mod, then yes, you should contact Curse, or the "author" of the other mod, or both. |
| 21:31.12 | EVmaker | Well I don't really have a license, I wrote the mod originally for myself, then released it on WoWI and later WoWUI for others if they find it useful, I certainly don't want ripoffs like that, but I don't have a 'set' license at this point |
| 21:31.18 | Dewin | And if there is no specific license, the implied license forbids modifications and distribution |
| 21:31.43 | alestane | It's "All Rights Reserved" if you didn't include any license terms. |
| 21:31.57 | Xinhuan | you will need to supply some form of proof that there is a copyright violation |
| 21:32.01 | Dewin | IANAL, but you're the only one allowed to distribute it (uploading it to wowi implies permission for them to do so IIRC) and you're the only one to create derivative works, until you say otherwise |
| 21:32.55 | EVmaker | So I would be within my rights to try and contact curse about it? And what sort of proof? I have my mod and all its back versions on the WoWI SVN and on WoWUI, if someone were to compare the code of the two it'd be pretty clear its a ripoff with some changes |
| 21:34.29 | alestane | I'd probably start by contacting the "author" of the other mod about it, but if you want to caver yourself, then you might also want to drop a message to the admins at curse now as well. |
| 21:35.37 | alestane | Let them know that you |
| 21:36.05 | alestane | ...that you're taking it up with the other author and that you may request their help if you can't work things out. |
| 21:37.33 | Xinhuan | by proof, i mean, for example, links to your addon on the other 2 sites, so that uploaded dates, source repos, etc can be compared |
| 21:37.56 | EVmaker | Sounds like a plan, and that works thank you |
| 21:41.15 | Xinhuan | basically, the are 2 most likely outcomes - A) the offending addon gets deleted B) it is not deleted, but ownership is switched to your curse account |
| 21:41.38 | Xinhuan | you'll probably have to pick one of them |
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| 21:51.15 | seebs | Should I replace my FuBar mods with LDB mods? |
| 21:51.21 | seebs | (asking as a user, not a dev, for now.) |
| 21:52.08 | Kirov_ | seebs - I use fubar w/ broker2fubar |
| 21:52.27 | Kirov_ | I'm used to fubar addons, so I don't see a point until they stop working. |
| 21:52.58 | seebs | Yeah. Well, a couple of mine are sorta old, and I was thinking it might be worth switching; in particular, Auditor just made the jump. |
| 21:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Auditor finally did? |
| 21:53.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Can finally ditch fubar2broker,t hen :P |
| 21:53.49 | seebs | Yeah. Auditor 4.0.0 just showed up. |
| 21:53.59 | Pneumatus | i'd replace fubar but i still havnt found a display i like :< |
| 21:54.10 | seebs | And the thing is, of all my fubar addons, that was the only one that wasn't basically generic. |
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| 21:55.46 | Adys | Mikk :( |
| 21:56.13 | Mikk | Something started smelling something awful in the tent suddenly |
| 21:56.19 | Adys | the horses. |
| 21:57.49 | mikma | mikk: was the smell you? |
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| 22:21.55 | Moleculor | These 'libary' things I see used interchangably with many addons... do their license agreements 'infect' whatever they're used with? |
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| 22:27.56 | RockSlice | Moleculor: they shouldn't |
| 22:29.16 | ZorbaTHut | moleculor, depends on the library |
| 22:29.19 | ZorbaTHut | or, rather, the license |
| 22:29.26 | ZorbaTHut | you'd have to read the license to find out. |
| 22:29.37 | Moleculor | Ah, K. Damn licensing minefields. Thanks. |
| 22:30.42 | RockSlice | as far as the main opensource license (GPL) goes, no, because they're not using the code of the library, they're using the api of the library |
| 22:30.44 | RockSlice | if they copied the library's function into their own code instead of just referencing it, then it would "infect" their code |
| 22:31.25 | Moleculor | Ahh. |
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| 22:46.14 | foxlit | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd120804s.gif |
| 22:48.12 | Ackis | seriously, females with long hair = the devil, I keep finding my gf's hairs in... odd places on my body |
| 22:51.09 | Hjalte | females = the devil |
| 22:51.16 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, try a shower |
| 22:51.18 | Hjalte | :-) |
| 22:51.33 | Ackis | ouch |
| 22:53.36 | foxlit | http://cowbird.110mb.com/43/base10.png << also awesome |
| 22:53.47 | Adys | um |
| 22:53.55 | Adys | anyone living in england? |
| 22:54.14 | Ackis | Adys: I'm in Canada, that's close enough eh? |
| 22:54.15 | Adys | cant find any train company that actually lets you preorder tickets |
| 22:54.23 | Adys | ~ackis-- |
| 22:54.28 | Adys | thats for being in canada |
| 22:54.37 | Ackis | lol |
| 22:56.42 | Ackis | adys: south west trains? |
| 22:57.49 | Ackis | http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWTrains |
| 22:58.19 | Adys | nationalrailway |
| 22:59.00 | Ackis | well he said south west trains lets you pre-order |
| 22:59.13 | Adys | whos aid? |
| 22:59.16 | Adys | who said. |
| 22:59.21 | Ackis | my UK friend that I asked |
| 22:59.27 | Adys | lemme have a look |
| 23:01.01 | Legorol | Adys: i live in UK, maybe i can help, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 23:01.34 | Adys | London (any) => Dover Priory, 16th -> 20th |
| 23:01.46 | Adys | (very early on 20th or late night 19th) |
| 23:01.59 | Legorol | so you just want to buy a return ticket online? |
| 23:02.18 | Adys | pretty much. |
| 23:02.24 | Legorol | www.nationalrail.co.uk, select "advance" as the ticket type if it does give you the choice, otherwise some sort of return ticket |
| 23:02.36 | Legorol | you will get a bunch of price options, do check them out, it's not necessarily smart about the one it offers |
| 23:02.52 | Adys | wth how is preordering an advanced feature |
| 23:02.52 | Adys | >< |
| 23:02.57 | Adys | thanks Leg |
| 23:03.01 | Legorol | you'll be able to pick up the ticket at the departure station at the time of departure, but do bring the card with you that you used online |
| 23:03.07 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, i can has strand in cart? |
| 23:03.08 | Legorol | it's not "advanced" |
| 23:03.12 | Legorol | it's "advance", without -d |
| 23:03.19 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: strand? |
| 23:03.20 | Adys | oh |
| 23:03.21 | Adys | Im failing |
| 23:03.31 | Legorol | it doesn't list it as a "preorder", it's simply a type of ticket |
| 23:03.41 | Legorol | that's because you can buy any type of ticket at any time prior to the trip |
| 23:03.53 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, a map for the bg |
| 23:03.53 | Legorol | so if you want, you can buy a normal single or return months ahead of time |
| 23:03.58 | Adys | right |
| 23:04.03 | Legorol | "advance" is a fare type that tends to be cheaper |
| 23:06.25 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: Wintergrasp? |
| 23:06.33 | Legorol | adys: how early on 20th you want it? i did a quick search and got this result so far: London Victoria to Dover Priory, direct trains both ways, 12:33 on 16th and 9:10 on the 20th, off-peak singles are £25.40 each, and seem to be cheapest |
| 23:06.36 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, strand of the aichents |
| 23:06.40 | ckknight | k |
| 23:06.42 | Thunder_Child | well spelled correctly |
| 23:06.45 | ckknight | I don't have a character high enough to test |
| 23:06.46 | Adys | Legorol: I need to be at the airport around 2am |
| 23:07.00 | Legorol | in london? which london airport? |
| 23:07.09 | Adys | "London City" |
| 23:07.18 | Legorol | >.< that's miles away from any train station |
| 23:07.34 | Legorol | you want to give yourself plenty of time to get from the train station to the airport, i'm not even sure how to get there |
| 23:07.42 | Adys | lemme have a look there's a heathrow flight |
| 23:07.48 | Adys | Im not sure when |
| 23:07.59 | Legorol | actually i might be wrong, let me doublecheck |
| 23:08.45 | Legorol | yeah it's fairly out to the east, there should be tube and/or bus connection to major train stations in London |
| 23:09.37 | Adys | Im just gonna take the heathrow flight |
| 23:09.51 | Legorol | you are probably worse off with that |
| 23:09.58 | Legorol | so you are flying into london, then trekking to dover? |
| 23:10.06 | Adys | and back |
| 23:10.09 | Legorol | from heathrow, it's an hour long trip on the tube to central london |
| 23:10.14 | Adys | ouch |
| 23:10.28 | Adys | Stansted any better? |
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| 23:10.31 | Legorol | (on the most unreliable tube line, piccadily line) |
| 23:10.38 | amro | Cairenn: ping |
| 23:10.42 | Legorol | stansted is miles away, it shouldn't even be called a london airport ;) |
| 23:10.44 | Cairenn | amro: pong |
| 23:11.04 | Adys | so I take it London City is my best shot? :P |
| 23:11.09 | Legorol | Adys: i suggest you check out the travel arrangements to/from london city and victoria, that might be the best |
| 23:11.20 | Legorol | check out the travel options first, i'm not very familiar with that airport |
| 23:11.21 | amro | Cairenn: are you looking to make any hotel deals for blizzcon this year? (like http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17442) |
| 23:11.25 | Adys | alright |
| 23:11.27 | Ackis | 26.4C here... OMG blah |
| 23:11.27 | Adys | thanks a lot |
| 23:11.31 | Legorol | i use heathrow and stansted often, stansted is *not* a london airport by any means |
| 23:11.57 | Legorol | the 1 hour journey from heathrow into central london is very straightforward at least, single trip on the tube, and you just change once in the center to get to Victoria train station |
| 23:12.06 | Cairenn | amro: I was looking into it but was having a hell of a time finding any one (or even two) place(s) that meet everyone's requirements - $$, distance, internet access, etc etc etc |
| 23:12.21 | Adys | Cairenn: dont be so daft |
| 23:12.24 | Cairenn | so, yeah, not so much =/ |
| 23:12.24 | Adys | no one needs internet access |
| 23:13.12 | Cairenn | I can recommend hotels based on previous years, based on various criteria, but to come up with one or two places to try to get group rates, I just wasn't having any luck at all |
| 23:13.18 | Legorol | adys: i suspect the trip from london city to victoria station will be the quickest, but fairly convoluted |
| 23:13.24 | Legorol | adys: if you need any further help, just ping me :) |
| 23:13.42 | Adys | London city it is then |
| 23:13.45 | Adys | or |
| 23:13.46 | Adys | well |
| 23:13.52 | Cairenn | amro: sorry sweetie =/ |
| 23:13.55 | Adys | actually, Heathrow is a direct flight |
| 23:14.00 | Legorol | http://www.londoncityairport.com/ToAndFrom/PublicTransport.aspx |
| 23:14.11 | amro | Cairenn: no problem, thanks for having looked! =) |
| 23:14.25 | Legorol | adys: also if you are pressed for time, there are faster options from heathrow than taking the tube |
| 23:14.31 | Legorol | (more expensive too, depends on your budget) |
| 23:14.42 | Adys | Im not, it's mostly for the return trip |
| 23:14.43 | Ackis | Status: Shipped at 04/29/2009 10:16:24 AM (Should arrive 05/08/2009 - 05/19/2009) <-- Arthas book!!! :D lol |
| 23:14.56 | Cairenn | you're welcome .... as I said, I can give you some recommendations depending on your criteria |
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| 23:15.39 | Ackis | Cairenn: are you going to plan on a hotel that's... suggested? ie: for the UI community to be at the same hotel? |
| 23:16.00 | Cairenn | Ackis: that's what amro was just asking :) |
| 23:16.15 | Ackis | I can't read! |
| 23:16.25 | Ackis | (at least you didn't point me to a faq) |
| 23:16.27 | amro | but you ordered a book! |
| 23:16.33 | Ackis | amro: for pictures! |
| 23:16.39 | amro | ah, of course |
| 23:17.19 | zenzelezz | he ordered a book because he thought it was an off-hand item |
| 23:17.34 | Cairenn | amro, Ackis: hang on, I'll post the 6 different hotels I was looking at |
| 23:17.42 | amro | Cairenn: thanks! |
| 23:17.46 | Ackis | that book looks thick, I bet it'd hurt to get smacked in the head |
| 23:17.51 | Ackis | still isn't sure if he'll be going :( |
| 23:19.03 | Legorol | Adys: a quick look at maps shows that from london city airport to victoria station is not too bad, you need to take the DLR (Docklands Light Railway, an overground tube ;-)), change once, and take some other tube line |
| 23:19.08 | Legorol | looks like 30-45 min ride |
| 23:19.16 | Legorol | comparable to heathrow imo |
| 23:19.28 | Adys | Legorol: I digged a bit more and theres no direct london city flight |
| 23:20.07 | Adys | Athènes 15 mai 08h15 Heathrow 10h10 British Airways 631 |
| 23:23.01 | Legorol | cool |
| 23:23.19 | Legorol | you have two options for getting from heathrow to victoria station: the tube, with a single change, will take you about an hour/hour and 15 mins |
| 23:23.40 | Legorol | or there is a direct bus service with 55 minute journey time, which goes from heathrow's central bus station to victoria |
| 23:24.01 | Adys | lemme have a look, I havent taken the train ticket yet >< |
| 23:24.29 | Legorol | sure |
| 23:24.56 | Legorol | the bus/tube are comparable in price too probably |
| 23:25.34 | haste | ~help botmail |
| 23:27.25 | zenzelezz | Heathrow felt huge, just getting from one terminal to another |
| 23:29.01 | Adys | zenzelezz: ever been to athens airport? |
| 23:30.26 | Cairenn | amro, Ackis: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23207 |
| 23:30.45 | zenzelezz | Adys: never flown much at all. Went to Australia and back last year, but that's the only time I've been on an airplane |
| 23:30.59 | Adys | Google maps transit search is nice |
| 23:31.13 | Adys | when it'll stop telling me to go through stansted on a heathrow=>london bridge trip |
| 23:31.43 | Adys | zenzelezz: athens airport is just about huge =P |
| 23:32.20 | amro | Adys: ADP is the worst |
| 23:32.21 | zenzelezz | a lot of airports are |
| 23:32.24 | amro | Cairenn: thanks |
| 23:32.33 | Cairenn | amro: you're welcome |
| 23:32.41 | Adys | zenzelezz: ive been to a lot of airports |
| 23:32.49 | Adys | athens airport really IS huge |
| 23:32.52 | Cairenn | all of those meet 2 out of 3 requirements, but none of them meet all 3 |
| 23:32.59 | Adys | its not only huge |
| 23:33.17 | Adys | but its also huge inside, where you dont have buses or what not for 30 min trips |
| 23:33.29 | Adys | you just have the mills |
| 23:33.34 | zenzelezz | Adys: why are you going on about this? You almost sound like you're trying to convince me about something |
| 23:33.47 | Adys | zenzelezz: Im trying to convince you about something |
| 23:33.57 | zenzelezz | then you should do it in a better way |
| 23:34.10 | Adys | Legorol: I think I got it. thanks a LOT for your help |
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| 23:45.11 | Adys | Cairenn: for ya |
| 23:45.12 | Adys | http://www.mattcutts.com/images/emmy-bag.jpg |
| 23:45.20 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 23:45.23 | Cairenn | kitty |
| 23:50.25 | mikma | looks like the cat is having a poop |
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