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| 00:03.32 | kd3 | damn it, forgot about the patch |
| 00:03.38 | kd3 | relogs to enable out of date |
| 00:05.33 | Lopeppeppy | Silly kd3. |
| 00:06.54 | Thunder_Child | no Lopeppeppy, silly blizz |
| 00:08.52 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474241318&sid=1 |
| 00:08.55 | Antiarc | This really is the best thread. |
| 00:09.41 | mikma | how the the fuck is that dude beyond lvl70 |
| 00:11.15 | Lopeppeppy | I love it. |
| 00:11.35 | amro | is Fatbeard in this chan? |
| 00:11.39 | Torhal | How the fuck is he capable of TYPING? |
| 00:11.48 | amro | Torhal: faceroll |
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| 00:15.11 | netcurse | www.questhelper.com |
| 00:15.13 | netcurse | hillarous |
| 00:15.41 | netcurse | wowmatrix registred the domain :P |
| 00:15.47 | kd3 | ! |
| 00:15.51 | kd3 | no friggin way |
| 00:17.20 | Dark_Elf | sellouts :p |
| 00:17.21 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 00:17.26 | Arrowmaster | i just fucking noticed that too |
| 00:17.46 | Arrowmaster | because i was looking for the 'official' website |
| 00:18.02 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaGama: didnt you have a domain for questhelper? |
| 00:18.02 | amro | that's pretty bad |
| 00:18.21 | Arrowmaster | oh quest-helper.com |
| 00:18.25 | Arrowmaster | right? |
| 00:18.26 | theorbtwo | There was one, but it just redirected to the curse page. |
| 00:18.29 | Torhal | GTFO |
| 00:18.32 | Torhal | ... |
| 00:18.42 | bleeter | is it my imagination, or are profession links still fucked? |
| 00:18.50 | theorbtwo | Ah, was just looking for it. questhelper.{net,org} gives a login page for ispCP Omega. |
| 00:18.51 | netcurse | yes quest-helper.com is own by zorba |
| 00:19.39 | amro | bleeter: they're still fucked |
| 00:19.55 | bleeter | amro: thx |
| 00:21.52 | ZorbaGama | I mostly grabbed it so I could make www.quest-helper.com/donate redirect appropriately :P |
| 00:21.53 | NeoTron | gotta love unit tests |
| 00:22.06 | NeoTron | when they are set to actually validate that the result is.. invalid |
| 00:22.22 | bleeter | amro: and apparently after the restart after maint, DK's can't raise dead no more either |
| 00:22.39 | amro | raise dead or raise ally? |
| 00:22.42 | Adys | since when is it possible to get the price of an item from the UI? |
| 00:22.50 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss bye bye* |
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| 00:22.53 | kd3 | only when you're at a vendor? |
| 00:23.09 | Adys | oh, looks like a db |
| 00:23.11 | Adys | nm me |
| 00:23.24 | bleeter | amro: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473751088&pageNo=2&sid=1#26 |
| 00:24.19 | amro | bleeter: NO GHOUL FOR YOU |
| 00:24.20 | VonhintenHOME` | Is there no way to make elkano buff bars horizontal and not vertical? and if not, is there a simple buff addon that can filter buffs in new groups and display like blizz default |
| 00:25.25 | Arrowmaster | im bad, i bit for the troll http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&postId=164720288152&sid=1#251 |
| 00:25.33 | Arrowmaster | but im having so much fun |
| 00:25.46 | airtonix | in what are profession links not working, becaues they are for me |
| 00:26.29 | bleeter | airtonix: is the person doing the linking the same, or different, race? I believe that's a factor |
| 00:26.34 | Arrowmaster | so i wonder if im going to get reported and banned from the forums now |
| 00:26.37 | bleeter | amro: while we're lol.... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473971112&sid=1 |
| 00:26.59 | bleeter | managing to keep last week's ulduar ID over maintenance is fairly hardcore pro |
| 00:27.35 | amro | bleeter: I don't think so. from my testing it's erratic when and for whom it works. from what I recall of my testing anyhow |
| 00:28.55 | kd3 | ! |
| 00:28.56 | kd3 | ouch |
| 00:29.08 | bleeter | amro: hmm, maybe it just 'was' a factor as a certainty, and that's just one bug they've closed but it's still bugged to hell |
| 00:31.18 | amro | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474311312&sid=1 <- imo don't fix, rofl material |
| 00:31.31 | amro | off to bed, buenas noches |
| 00:31.48 | Adys | night |
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| 00:33.17 | bleeter | amro: agreed |
| 00:33.49 | Arrowmaster | netcurse: so have you checked if they modded the questhelper they are hosting to goto www.questhelper.com instead of www.quest-helper.com? |
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| 00:34.48 | netcurse | arrowmaster i have not check |
| 00:35.18 | Cairenn | holy crap, just got back and saw the post about the fact that WM bought "www.questhelper.com" |
| 00:35.27 | Cairenn | yeah, that's not intentional at all |
| 00:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | er, which post? |
| 00:35.39 | ZorbaGama | cairenn, yeah, they did it a while back. it was squatted when I grabbed www.quest-helper.com, I guess they paid whatever the squatter wanted |
| 00:35.51 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=13#252 |
| 00:36.05 | Cairenn | ZorbaGama: that's really slimy of them |
| 00:36.06 | Arrowmaster | im so gona get banned for that, i can tell |
| 00:36.08 | bleeter | ZorbaGama: well if it's not squatted anymore, you may have a chance to get control of it |
| 00:36.20 | Cairenn | then again, it's not an uncommon practice, unfortunately |
| 00:36.31 | ZorbaGama | bleeter, $4000 to file a complaint, plus lawyer fees. |
| 00:36.40 | ZorbaGama | And that's if I can prove I own the QH trademark. |
| 00:37.00 | Antiarc | We need to start pushing this PR point hard |
| 00:37.01 | Cairenn | there have been many situations where one site will buy up a domain name that is usually associated with another site, in an attempt to fool users and damage the other site |
| 00:37.20 | Antiarc | The average user doesn't "get" most of it but "stealing QuestHelper's traffic" is blatant enough for even the simplest of simpletons to understand. |
| 00:37.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: without touching what that really means, inc user REVOLT |
| 00:37.32 | ZorbaGama | it's pretty unquestionable domain squatting, but I may not have the standing to do anything about it, and I certainly don't have the finances. But, yeah, go right ahead and push it, I'll chime in to back you up if you want :) |
| 00:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, granted |
| 00:37.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But the question is how many stupid people would call us haters for doing so |
| 00:37.46 | Antiarc | I think it's a layman-accessable point. |
| 00:37.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Answer: probably a lot |
| 00:37.52 | Antiarc | And worth pushing as a result. |
| 00:37.53 | Hirsute | I've decided it just isn't worth it to talk to WM users. They refuse to listen. |
| 00:38.00 | Antiarc | I've converted a few |
| 00:38.12 | Antiarc | but they respected me before wowmatrix due to pre-existing relationships |
| 00:38.18 | Antiarc | So I had some clout |
| 00:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Obviously none of them were former guildies during the Omen 2.4 days ;D |
| 00:38.36 | VonhintenHOME` | I already explained why that is... no one is giving them a better option |
| 00:38.49 | Antiarc | Curse does 99.9% of what people want |
| 00:39.00 | Antiarc | One WowI's new client is ready it's a done deal, IMO |
| 00:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | VonhintenHOME`: sucks to be them. We know this. We have read every single post on the matter. To say that this point is not understood or needs explaining again is wrong and ignorant |
| 00:39.28 | Arrowmaster | WoWI's wont connect to curse though |
| 00:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I use the term "we" loosely |
| 00:39.35 | Hirsute | Wow, ZorbaGama, that is unbelievably slimey |
| 00:39.36 | Arrowmaster | and thats what the stupid users want |
| 00:39.38 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: it can |
| 00:39.46 | Cairenn | if someone wants to make the module for it |
| 00:39.48 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: it wont unless curse lets it |
| 00:39.58 | Cairenn | obviously |
| 00:40.16 | Hjalte | I suppose it is the same the other way around. |
| 00:40.38 | Dewin | I'm probably going to end up running both updaters. >.> |
| 00:40.48 | Dewin | Will be interesting to see if they trample on each other's addon space though |
| 00:40.53 | Cairenn | by someone I meant if Curse wanted to write a module for it, since they would still be able to control it's behaviour |
| 00:41.06 | Cairenn | Dewin: we don't now, why would we start? |
| 00:41.15 | Dewin | Cairenn: I mean in terms of |
| 00:41.30 | Dewin | addons that are on both wowi and curse so presumably both updaters will try to update them |
| 00:41.47 | Cairenn | you will have the ability to tell ours to not update a mod from our site |
| 00:41.48 | Dewin | granted, I have no idea what I'm talking about really. :-p |
| 00:42.33 | Zhinjio | Cairenn!! |
| 00:42.42 | Cairenn | Zhinjio: ! |
| 00:42.48 | VonhintenHOME` | Do both support disembedding with addons they don't manage? If I uninstall an addon that uses a disembedded library do they both realize that there is another addon that isn't managed by them that uses that library too? |
| 00:43.13 | Dewin | Cairenn: Can it simply detect a newer version than what exists on wowi and skip updating based on that? |
| 00:43.52 | Cairenn | we don't touch authors' files, so if there are libraries included in their zip file, it'll update those libraries |
| 00:44.17 | Cairenn | if you remove it, it'll remove the libraries that are in it |
| 00:44.41 | Cairenn | if you don't like embedded libraries, yell at the authors to not include them in their zip |
| 00:44.47 | Arrowmaster | wowi doesnt support disembeding afaik since they dont have a system like curse that maps libraries to addons |
| 00:44.56 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 00:45.52 | Dewin | IMHO the argument for embedding by default is stronger than not embedding than by default, but it'd be nice to allow individual users to go the other direction ala Curse. |
| 00:46.20 | Dewin | so yelling at authors to not include them seems counterproductive. |
| 00:46.35 | Cairenn | which may be something we get to eventually, but we have the grand total of one paid programmer, Dolby, so things take time to happen |
| 00:47.59 | Dewin | Cairenn: Makes sense. |
| 00:48.12 | bleeter | bullshit |
| 00:48.17 | bleeter | sif Cairenn ever makes sense! |
| 00:48.19 | bleeter | flees |
| 00:48.29 | Cairenn | ~lart bleeter |
| 00:48.29 | purl | pushes the wall down onto bleeter whilst whistling innocently |
| 00:48.40 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 00:48.40 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 00:48.41 | bleeter | runsback into #, screams MOAR COFFEE, and flees again |
| 00:48.55 | Dewin | bleeter: I suppose if Cairenn was making more dollars than sense there'd be more paid programmers and this discussion would be a think of the past :) |
| 00:49.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:49.36 | Dewin | I like wowi better from a philosophical standpoint anyways. No, I won't get into why, it just 'feels' better. |
| 00:50.02 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: so how many people actually get checks from ZAM that are in here? two? |
| 00:50.06 | Jamash | wowi smells like baking muffins |
| 00:50.39 | Zhinjio | gets checks from ZAM and uses them for wallpaper. |
| 00:50.42 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: two, Dolby who has been getting paid by them since (whenever the hell it was) and me who started getting paid a year ago |
| 00:50.45 | Zhinjio | ZAM uses great paper. |
| 00:50.48 | Antiarc | Cairenn: Because I don't say it enough, thank you for running such a class outfit and for being such a positive influence on this community. |
| 00:50.53 | Jamash | curse is more like a supermarket |
| 00:50.53 | Antiarc | Yer good people, and appreciated. |
| 00:51.01 | Cairenn | hugs Antiarc |
| 00:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man, sudden influx of good karma |
| 00:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know if the channel can take this |
| 00:51.14 | Antiarc | I was thinking that last night and figured I should say it :P |
| 00:51.19 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:51.23 | VonhintenHOME` | I gotta change my shorts now... |
| 00:51.24 | Zhinjio | is a karma sink. |
| 00:51.25 | Cairenn | always a nice thing to hear |
| 00:51.35 | bleeter | ouch |
| 00:51.40 | bleeter | more people without last week ID's wiped |
| 00:51.44 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474331232&sid=1 |
| 00:51.52 | Antiarc | I'd be okay without a wiped ID |
| 00:51.56 | Antiarc | I'd get to work on the instance more! |
| 00:52.46 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 00:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4184981895&sid=1&pageNo=2#24 |
| 00:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | date on that one |
| 00:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Followed by next post + date on that post |
| 00:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | SOMEONE BE TROLLIN' |
| 00:53.08 | Dewin | Antiarc: I wouldn't mind it being wiped, our 25-man has only downed one boss and I wouldn't mind more free emblems of conquest. |
| 00:54.48 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: reported it ;) |
| 00:55.21 | Legorol | How was everyone's first week of Ulduar? |
| 00:57.17 | Cairenn | you mean there was something new added to the game? I haven't had the opportunity to log in and find out :p |
| 00:57.49 | netcurse | I wish i could play Uldar Legorol, but i m leveling a character in the US servers now |
| 00:57.57 | netcurse | to start raiding again ;) |
| 00:59.07 | bleeter | Legorol: moving to a new realm to play with RL ftw, discovering that one's managed to join an Ulduar guild full of anti-semites.. ftl |
| 00:59.21 | Lunessa|Away | Arrowmaster: Nice post, thanks for the information. |
| 00:59.36 | bleeter | not that I really object to the point of view, just object to it being spewed in gchat every 2 minutes |
| 00:59.46 | Adys | Legorol: ulduar was really boring |
| 00:59.51 | Adys | then again |
| 00:59.55 | Adys | I ddnt even step in |
| 00:59.59 | bleeter | u r teh boring |
| 01:00.01 | Adys | just watched others enter |
| 01:00.10 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa|Away: it was posted in here late last week but i decided what the hell and risked a forum ban |
| 01:00.11 | bleeter | voyeur, eh |
| 01:00.14 | Adys | very |
| 01:01.48 | Cairenn | ZorbaGama: ping? |
| 01:02.26 | bleeter | gah, why can't they make spells 'available/unavailable' instead of 'learned/unlearned'... getting fkn sick and tired of losing shit from my actionbars every freaken patch |
| 01:02.37 | bleeter | or crash.. or respec.. or w/e |
| 01:03.05 | bleeter | it's almost as bad as classic losing friends every patch >< remember that folks? lol |
| 01:03.18 | Jamash | bleeter: download Learning Aid |
| 01:04.08 | Adys | WAH WAH |
| 01:04.12 | Adys | ALGALON ONLY ONE HOUR WAH WAH |
| 01:04.14 | bleeter | Jamash: oh that's fairly cool. pity gotta resort to addons |
| 01:04.33 | Adys | now raiding is more accessible people have lost all sense of hard work |
| 01:04.38 | Jamash | bleeter: yeah |
| 01:04.42 | bleeter | Adys: no shit |
| 01:04.45 | Adys | complaining for the hell of it |
| 01:04.53 | Esamynn | Adys: hmm? |
| 01:04.55 | ZorbaGama | cairenn, yo |
| 01:05.10 | Cairenn | IMs |
| 01:05.13 | bleeter | Esamynn: ppl are complaining about algalon being accessible for only 1 hour per week |
| 01:05.15 | Adys | I bet most of them whine about naxx being easy just to show off that they *omg* can clear naxx |
| 01:05.32 | Adys | and hope that the devs wont actually make shit harder |
| 01:05.37 | Adys | so they can keep clearing it and "showing off" |
| 01:05.39 | Esamynn | bleeter: what, he despawns, or what? |
| 01:05.46 | bleeter | yar despawn afaik |
| 01:05.46 | Adys | yes Esamynn, mmo-champion.com |
| 01:05.55 | bleeter | one hour after engaging |
| 01:06.23 | Antiarc | The one-hour thing seems really...harsh, to me |
| 01:06.27 | Adys | " so where is the actual information on algalon. who cares about this stupid one hour thing. " |
| 01:06.31 | Adys | ^ THIS I like |
| 01:06.42 | Adys | Antiarc: vael was 1 hour a week, too |
| 01:06.45 | Adys | people didnt complain |
| 01:06.48 | Adys | people DEALT with it |
| 01:06.48 | Antiarc | And he sucked then too :P |
| 01:06.49 | Antiarc | Oh, they did |
| 01:06.52 | bleeter | didn't BWL have a lockout.. so long ago |
| 01:06.54 | Antiarc | I remember the complaining :P |
| 01:06.59 | bleeter | can't quite recall |
| 01:07.04 | Adys | no Antiarc |
| 01:07.06 | Adys | not like this |
| 01:07.08 | Legorol | seriously? Vael had a 1 hour attempt cap? |
| 01:07.11 | Adys | yes |
| 01:07.13 | Antiarc | Not like this, no, I agree |
| 01:07.14 | Esamynn | one hour a week, that's more harsh than we've ever seen before |
| 01:07.15 | Legorol | does that mean you couldn't go further into BWL that week if you failed? |
| 01:07.21 | Adys | yep |
| 01:07.25 | Legorol | omg |
| 01:07.27 | Esamynn | when did Vael have a one hour cap? |
| 01:07.27 | Legorol | that's harsh |
| 01:07.28 | Antiarc | But Vael also didn't have a lot of pre-reqs to unlock him :P |
| 01:07.45 | Adys | Esamynn: for a very long time, until a lot of guilds started killing him, then it was removed |
| 01:07.46 | bleeter | tbh i think this is suitably hard core, and there should be more |
| 01:07.50 | Legorol | at least with algalon, he is an end-boss in a side passage |
| 01:08.06 | Legorol | bleeter: 1 hour per week is not hardcore, quite the opposite |
| 01:08.06 | Esamynn | did not know this |
| 01:08.15 | Legorol | hardcore gamers put in 16 hours aday |
| 01:08.27 | Legorol | the 1 hour per week, if anything, allows the casual guilds to catch up |
| 01:08.32 | bleeter | Legorol: compared to the rest of the patch :P |
| 01:08.32 | Adys | 1 hour per week is "dont do retarded mistakes, dont waste your raid's time, BE GOOD" |
| 01:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | my brother pushed 20 per day in WoW for months |
| 01:08.41 | Nechckn | I have to agree with bleeter on that |
| 01:08.44 | ScytheBlade1 | then again this was during high school |
| 01:08.50 | Legorol | what this *will* result in however is top guilds being secretive about strat, instead of sharing |
| 01:08.57 | Legorol | which i do like :o) |
| 01:08.57 | Nechckn | wasn't everyone complaining how EZ mode WoW has become? |
| 01:08.57 | Adys | and I like that |
| 01:08.58 | bleeter | Legorol: huh? one hour per week = casual? gotta complete all Hard modes on earlier bosses first? |
| 01:09.05 | Jamash | 1hr a week means you can't wipe on it for ten hours straight |
| 01:09.10 | Legorol | bleeter: afaik, only once |
| 01:09.11 | Adys | Nechckn: people were complaining because they could |
| 01:09.12 | Adys | see |
| 01:09.17 | Legorol | once you have the key, you can unlock him each week |
| 01:09.22 | Adys | they're all feeling SO GOOD about being able to "clear all content" |
| 01:09.27 | Adys | most of them havent done that pre bc, even in bc |
| 01:09.30 | bleeter | Legorol: oh, I thought it was defeat hard modes each week.. hmm.. that is a bit weak |
| 01:09.39 | Legorol | i'm not 100% sure bleeter |
| 01:09.45 | Legorol | i thought it's a key of some sort |
| 01:09.52 | Adys | but instead of being happy they get to see everything |
| 01:09.54 | Nuckin | the problem with the content being generally "Easy" is that Blizzard loses the hardcore raiding crowd |
| 01:09.55 | bleeter | here's hoping icecrown is a shitload tougher and takes endgame hardcore guilds a month to clear ;) |
| 01:10.05 | Antiarc | If the key is a perma-key, the 1 hour thing makes sense |
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| 01:10.06 | Esamynn | I'm pretty sure there is an Algalon "key" |
| 01:10.09 | Adys | they are being whiney shitheads, just because "now, they can" |
| 01:10.12 | Adys | and yes |
| 01:10.12 | Esamynn | like the one for Malygos |
| 01:10.18 | Antiarc | Otherwise, you'd get people just buying a key to unlock him for their raid |
| 01:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: except for the part where they have stated before that we will never ever see that again |
| 01:10.27 | Nuckin | but its a double edged sword, making the content to hard and the casuals leave |
| 01:10.31 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: hard modes |
| 01:10.48 | Antiarc | If the key has to be earned per-week, then the 1 hour thing is craaaaap. |
| 01:10.49 | Lunessa|Away | Stupid downloader - I have two copies of WoW. Grrr. |
| 01:10.58 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I don't think endgame guilds 'clearing' should ber counted anymore, they should be measured solely on Hard Mode clears.. /shrug |
| 01:11.02 | Adys | Nuckin: hard modes, 10/25mans etc are REALLY a good deal |
| 01:11.09 | Esamynn | Antiarc: I doubt that is the case, but I don't really know |
| 01:11.17 | Antiarc | I don't, either. |
| 01:11.28 | Nechckn | Antiarc lol, I was just typing that, too =) |
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| 01:11.38 | Nuckin | Now they're introduced hard modes and all raids being 10/25, and the casuals wanna do the 25's even though they're the ones more focuses for hardcore people |
| 01:11.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: maybe - but I doubt it just the same |
| 01:12.00 | Nuckin | wow, my typing sucks so bad right now |
| 01:12.05 | ZorbaGama | fundamentally, everyone wants the raids to be just hard enough that *they* can barely clear them |
| 01:12.22 | Legorol | which is what the hard modes allow :) |
| 01:12.27 | ZorbaGama | only most people also have an inflated view of what they, themselves, can clear |
| 01:12.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaGama: no they don't, plenty of people want to clear them just to get their purples and gtfo without a care in the world |
| 01:12.50 | ZorbaGama | scythe, well, that's what I mean - they want to be able to get in and get their purples |
| 01:12.55 | ZorbaGama | but they don't want anyone else to be able to |
| 01:13.00 | kd3 | 'zOMG we can't faceroll ulduar like we did naxx? nerf!' |
| 01:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me rephrase |
| 01:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I disagree that "*EVERYONE* wants the raids to be..." etc |
| 01:13.20 | Adys | some people dont care, ZorbaGama |
| 01:13.35 | Adys | some people just want loot, some people just want to show off |
| 01:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:13.50 | Shirik | I believe this is an appropriate time to link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd0C_Us31kk&feature=related |
| 01:13.54 | ZorbaGama | alright, *large numbers* of people want, etc :) I think that's what the vocal complainers generally want |
| 01:14.06 | Adys | I want 40mans back, hard mode retuned cthun lvl 80 with all the bullshit algalon has and more |
| 01:14.20 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:14.21 | Adys | but majority of people just want to see content |
| 01:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: new rick roll? Possibly! |
| 01:14.32 | Adys | and I think thats good |
| 01:14.52 | Adys | that blizz actually allows everyone to see content, even though they dont see "all the facets" (but can still attempt them) |
| 01:15.12 | Adys | Shirik: This video is not available in your country. |
| 01:15.23 | Lunessa|Away | sbo - I just want to clear some instances, have some laughs, get my shiny new epixx and gtfo. Is that so wrong? |
| 01:15.24 | Shirik | Adys: Many would argue you're lucky |
| 01:15.27 | Adys | but what bothers me really |
| 01:15.28 | Esamynn | personally, I believe the gear that comes from the non-hard modes should be more limited than it is |
| 01:15.43 | Esamynn | ie. fewer items per kill |
| 01:15.45 | Adys | is all those people complaining |
| 01:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa|Away: no, not at all. Sorry if I inferred something else |
| 01:16.10 | Adys | people who think that "they're really good and raids taking longer pre bc was because everyone sucked" |
| 01:16.15 | Adys | makes me want to puke all over |
| 01:16.17 | Lunessa|Away | I don't mind things being difficult. I do mind things being inaccessible. |
| 01:16.34 | Adys | I think thats fine Lunessa|Away |
| 01:16.39 | ScytheBlade1 | The question |
| 01:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Is what is difficult vs. inaccessible |
| 01:16.44 | Adys | raiding as it is in ulduar and even naxx imo is fine |
| 01:16.52 | Lunessa|Away | Sbo - Right. |
| 01:17.17 | Lunessa|Away | 40 people required - for me, has always said "inaccessible." |
| 01:17.17 | kd3 | which is a razor edge... |
| 01:17.23 | Adys | its not good for me at all, and a lot of real hardcore raiders will agree that things suck as they are |
| 01:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: which variates GREATLY on who you have around |
| 01:17.36 | Adys | but I totally accept we're a minority |
| 01:17.51 | Adys | and I'm GLAD if anything that everyone gets to see the amazing shit blizz can pull off |
| 01:18.29 | Adys | what I dont like, as I said, is people who have total disrespect of devs, designers, hardcore and casual raiders and pretty much anyone but their own little butt |
| 01:18.30 | kd3 | still wants to see the 'one gnome on a mechanostrider' version of the four horsemen |
| 01:18.38 | Esamynn | oh, I totally agree, the idea for hard modes is a great one, I just feel like they really need to emphasize more that the HARD mode is the REAL fight |
| 01:18.50 | Esamynn | and I think the way to do that is with the quantity of the loot |
| 01:19.01 | Lunessa|Away | I'm often shocked that people are angry because a game's content isn't closed off to all but the smallest elite; what's the point of spending thousands of man-hours on content that only 2-3% of your customers will ever use. |
| 01:19.13 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 01:19.15 | Adys | No Lunessa|Away |
| 01:19.24 | Adys | no one wants "everything to be closed off" |
| 01:19.39 | kd3 | people want 'everything to be closed off to groups other than mine' |
| 01:19.49 | Adys | yeah except they know they suck |
| 01:19.51 | Lunessa|Away | kd3: ^^ |
| 01:19.57 | Adys | and if they dont, who cares, they're maybe 50 worldwide |
| 01:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ... as someone who did WELL with Wrath I'd disagree |
| 01:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Competing for a top slot in server progression is amazing |
| 01:20.07 | Adys | some people just want hard content or are nostalgic of 40mans |
| 01:20.12 | Adys | aye ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And restricting that defeats the point |
| 01:20.31 | Adys | but you dont compete anymore |
| 01:20.39 | Adys | I LOVE what they're doing with algalon, thats competition |
| 01:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I did, but that's because we started Wrath with 12 people, haha |
| 01:21.05 | Adys | couldn't give a shit about yogg saron, normal modes, or whatever ensidia or whichever FOTM guild clears because they cant attempt real content |
| 01:21.10 | Shirik | How can I form a /who query to look for 34 rogues? |
| 01:21.15 | Shirik | Isn't it /who c=rogue l=34 ? |
| 01:21.17 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.18 | Adys | er |
| 01:21.19 | Adys | 34 |
| 01:21.20 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.29 | Adys | and I think its -c rogue |
| 01:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | - not = |
| 01:21.35 | ZorbaGama | on the plus side, once they finally figure out how algalon works, they might be geared enough to kill him. I imagine he's a reasonably horrifying gear check. |
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| 01:21.40 | ScytheBlade1 | "class dash rogue" |
| 01:21.58 | Lunessa|Away | All I have is a red guitar, three chords, and the truth. WotLK has let me do more content than any of the previous WoW releases. I hope it stays more or less that way going forward. |
| 01:22.09 | ZorbaGama | lunessa, amen |
| 01:22.10 | Adys | Lunessa|Away: again, I agree with you |
| 01:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa|Away: I doubt anyone will disagree with you on that |
| 01:22.35 | Adys | whatever people say on hardcore raiders "wanting everything to be closed off" |
| 01:22.37 | Adys | its bullshit |
| 01:22.39 | Thunder_Child | i can had 4TB HDD's? |
| 01:22.44 | Thunder_Child | s/d/s/ |
| 01:22.54 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.59 | Lunessa|Away | Thunder_Child: Yes, if you as monies. |
| 01:23.01 | bleeter | soz was scrolledback |
| 01:23.15 | Esamynn | Adys: it's not that the hard cores want stuff to be closed off, they want to be able to strut their proficiency |
| 01:23.17 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa|Away, i didnt even know they had them |
| 01:23.28 | Adys | no Esamynn they just want hard content |
| 01:23.46 | Esamynn | well, you can't get bragging rights without hard content |
| 01:23.47 | Arrowmaster | they want to feel like they actually acomplished something |
| 01:23.52 | Adys | couldnt care more about it being an extremely hard 80-tuned version of deadmines |
| 01:23.52 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 01:24.12 | bleeter | I dunno whether I wanted to *see* endgame in wrath, the interaction with endgame NPCs throught the XPac certainly made the levelling experience far more satisfying than Classic or BC |
| 01:24.20 | Lunessa|Away | Thunder_Child: A quick google search shows lots of them for dale. |
| 01:24.26 | Arrowmaster | like when killing rag was an acomplishment |
| 01:24.37 | bleeter | or the world dragons |
| 01:24.43 | bleeter | WTB: Buffs to World Dragons |
| 01:24.57 | bleeter | and.. associated achievements etc. |
| 01:25.01 | Esamynn | the world dragons were more about being able to FIND ONE the was ALIVE |
| 01:25.03 | kd3 | 'zOMG a dragon's up! break out the phone list' |
| 01:25.03 | Arrowmaster | i only killed one of those pre 2.0 =( |
| 01:25.10 | bleeter | can't tell me they're all still happy with the shit going down in NR |
| 01:25.11 | bleeter | surely |
| 01:25.19 | bleeter | from RP/lore/story PoV |
| 01:25.21 | Adys | wtb: maraudon back |
| 01:25.21 | Arrowmaster | although we 5maned one of them in 2.0.1 at level 60 |
| 01:25.26 | Arrowmaster | that was fucking fun |
| 01:25.30 | Lunessa|Away | ZOMG - Dragon is up! Quick kite it to Org/SW. |
| 01:25.32 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or is this an increda ugly picture of jolie? http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/04/palmprejolie.jpg |
| 01:25.39 | bleeter | Lunessa|Away: lolol |
| 01:25.40 | Esamynn | bleeter: NR? |
| 01:25.45 | bleeter | Esamynn: NorthRend |
| 01:25.58 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa|Away: haha we had azurgos kited to org on our server a few times |
| 01:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I hate you that is now stuck in my head |
| 01:26.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I HATE YOU |
| 01:26.07 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 01:26.08 | Adys | Lunessa|Away: again as I said though |
| 01:26.23 | Lunessa|Away | Arrowmaster: It was done on Aggramar for "special occasions" all the time. |
| 01:26.37 | Lunessa|Away | Thunder_Child: You you you'd hit that. |
| 01:26.39 | Adys | all I can see is whats going on on my ex server, and comparing people I KNOW are hardcore raiders, to everyone else |
| 01:26.50 | Adys | most of the hc raiders left |
| 01:26.51 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa|Away, nope. |
| 01:27.07 | Thunder_Child | last time i found her attractive was in hackers |
| 01:27.19 | Adys | in my current guild, people whining are baddies who couldnt get anywhere far pre bc, or people who joined post expansion |
| 01:27.23 | Arrowmaster | well our server is a release day server that lots of people ended up transfering off of because naxx was unplayable, so when azurgoes was kited to org the server crashed |
| 01:27.25 | Lunessa|Away | Wow. I thought in Hackers they worked to make her hideous. |
| 01:27.35 | Lunessa|Away | But TC - See Gia. |
| 01:28.10 | Thunder_Child | but Lunessa|Away, i see mother earth daily |
| 01:28.23 | Adys | all the posts on the forums of people looking up your armory and laughing at you because you dont have s+3 or some shit |
| 01:28.40 | Lunessa|Away | It was a film she did about a model. She looks good in it. |
| 01:29.57 | Adys | just in general, making progression easy in wlk sprouted a gigantic group who just whines to show off they can do it and which are imo people who are only disturbed they couldnt do that before |
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| 01:30.04 | Adys | anyway im ranting, back to work |
| 01:30.56 | bleeter | ranting? HERE? WUT! |
| 01:31.52 | Arrowmaster | Adys: hey i actually worked hard on professions in classic, since tbc though they have been a total joke and everybody can get almost every recipe without much effort |
| 01:32.12 | Adys | did i mention I was the server's enchanter pre bc? =P |
| 01:32.16 | Adys | I miss that |
| 01:32.28 | Arrowmaster | i had almost every tailoring recipe pre 2.0, including bottemless bag |
| 01:33.07 | Arrowmaster | that a guildie GAVE me, when he found it in a lockbox on his rogue alt |
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| 01:33.53 | Adys | had all the enchanting recipes, but the AQ ones were the real moneymaker |
| 01:34.08 | kd3|hate`net | sigh |
| 01:34.27 | Adys | by the end of BC I was standing in IF all day, people just trading me their stuff and tipping 10 or 20 gold |
| 01:34.33 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 01:34.33 | Adys | thousands / month =P |
| 01:34.37 | Kaelten | "I would greatly appreciate your making OneBag3 available for updating by WowMatrix." |
| 01:34.43 | Kaelten | got that in a pm on wowi |
| 01:34.45 | tekkub | "OK" |
| 01:34.47 | tekkub | *delete* |
| 01:35.11 | Duman | haha |
| 01:35.19 | tekkub | that the same guy that "respectifully" asked ace to allow WM to update off them? |
| 01:35.19 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: imho wowmatrix is promoting users to harass addon authors! something must be done! |
| 01:35.21 | Duman | I guess people just don't "get it" |
| 01:35.38 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: or they're doing it themselves under the guise of users, of course that's a theory not fact |
| 01:35.49 | Cloudwolf | Ok heres a math type question is any one good with vecters? |
| 01:35.55 | Cloudwolf | *vectors |
| 01:35.59 | Adys | altho on algalon |
| 01:36.03 | tekkub | vectors are fun! |
| 01:36.11 | Adys | i agree it would suck to have server screw up half an hour |
| 01:36.13 | bleeter | wonders when WM will try and steal cursegaming.com |
| 01:36.15 | Duman | Vektrex? |
| 01:36.23 | Adys | a more sane design would be allow x attempts / week |
| 01:36.24 | Cloudwolf | say you have a cone and you want something to be at the vertex of the cone NO matter what angle said cone is at |
| 01:36.37 | tekkub | vektaur |
| 01:36.40 | Duman | or that was spelled vectrex, I guess |
| 01:36.43 | tekkub | oh I have another tauren name |
| 01:37.03 | bleeter | Adys: if the server screws up during encounter, it should just reset the timer imo |
| 01:37.08 | tekkub | Cloudwolf: we're not doing your takehome test for you |
| 01:37.15 | Duman | bwahhaha |
| 01:37.16 | Cloudwolf | uh its not a test.... |
| 01:37.23 | tekkub | AH HA |
| 01:37.25 | tekkub | so it is |
| 01:37.32 | Cloudwolf | except its not? |
| 01:37.32 | bleeter | takes said cone and pokes randoms in eyes |
| 01:37.33 | Adys | bleeter: you cant tell if theres a huge lagspike or something |
| 01:37.50 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i did get seriously pissed at the crafting in tbc though because the only patterns that werent practically fucking thrown at you were the BoP boss drops that btw i got 0/6 of for tailoring |
| 01:37.56 | tekkub | homework, takehome test, same thing different grading weight |
| 01:38.05 | bleeter | Adys: meh, that's just Oceanic realms normally. I meant a real screw up :P |
| 01:38.08 | Cloudwolf | i'm in geometry.... |
| 01:38.09 | Thunder_Child | very cool http://i.gizmodo.com/5219724/sprintcam-v3-hd-shoots-breathtaking-full-hd-video-at-1000-fps |
| 01:38.19 | Cloudwolf | im not to vectors |
| 01:38.22 | Arrowmaster | 1000fps? |
| 01:38.41 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 01:38.52 | tekkub | geometry? so this isn't even calc-level vectors? |
| 01:38.53 | tekkub | bah |
| 01:39.15 | Thunder_Child | Cloudwolf, #math might help more |
| 01:39.17 | Shirik | Cloudwolf: Easy stuff |
| 01:39.26 | Thunder_Child | they wont be as big of assholes |
| 01:39.47 | tekkub | or they're be even bigger! |
| 01:39.53 | Thunder_Child | your not there |
| 01:39.56 | tekkub | depends on the size of their vectors |
| 01:40.05 | Cloudwolf | tekkub its for programming in a different game than wow.... |
| 01:40.18 | tekkub | I don't believe you! |
| 01:40.42 | tekkub | stupid Second Life! |
| 01:41.01 | Cloudwolf | congrats sir why should you care if i get help on my homework? If i don't understand something isn't it best that i atleast get help on HOW to do something instead of just fail and have a chance to understand something? |
| 01:41.05 | Cloudwolf | and its for Garry's mod |
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| 01:41.10 | Cloudwolf | not for second life... |
| 01:41.27 | Thunder_Child | Cloudwolf, obvious troll is obvious..... |
| 01:41.39 | Cloudwolf | Except its not a troll ffs.... |
| 01:41.40 | Arrowmaster | HD jello falling is funny looking |
| 01:41.53 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, the damn thing was hovering |
| 01:42.00 | Thunder_Child | Cloudwolf, i mean tekkub |
| 01:42.04 | Thunder_Child | meant* |
| 01:42.10 | Cloudwolf | mk... |
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| 01:43.52 | Thunder_Child | also rather cool http://i.gizmodo.com/5222052/if-windows-8-was-designed-like-this-it-would-give-me-a-headache |
| 01:46.11 | bleeter | Cairenn: what does WoWI do about donations to authors when there are embedded libraries? Do you require the addon author to have seperate donation buttons for each external, or cross fingers and hope the addon author who's doing the packaging does the right thing and pass $$ on? |
| 01:46.36 | Cairenn | bleeter: ugh |
| 01:47.03 | bleeter | it's an ugly question, soz |
| 01:48.07 | Adys | Thunder_Child: wow the zooming is worse than really bad pvp videos |
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| 01:48.35 | Thunder_Child | Adys, zooming of the vid or the graphics? |
| 01:48.40 | Adys | the vid |
| 01:48.48 | Thunder_Child | ya, dunno what was going on with that |
| 01:48.51 | Thunder_Child | but the UI was nice |
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| 01:50.00 | Adys | "meh" |
| 01:51.30 | Cairenn | bleeter: not really for us to police, they are donations |
| 01:51.53 | aesir | dodged that bullet, and didn't even muss up your hair. |
| 01:52.04 | Cairenn | whether the author cares to pass some of the love back to the author of the library is up to them |
| 01:52.07 | Thunder_Child | we leave that to her husband |
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| 01:52.14 | Jamash | bleeter: you gave me an awesome idea for learning aid 1.07: auto-restoring talent abilities to action bars when they are relearned |
| 01:52.26 | aesir | Thunder: to take the bullet, or to muss up the hair? |
| 01:52.28 | bleeter | Jamash: :) glad to help |
| 01:52.34 | Thunder_Child | aesir, hair |
| 01:52.55 | aesir | got it. My wife has me take bullets. Wasn't immediately clear what you'd meant. |
| 01:53.10 | Dewin | Jamash: Heh. So glad Macaroon does that more or less automagically. |
| 01:53.18 | Dewin | Also, <3 learning aid |
| 01:53.23 | Adys | AHAHAAHA |
| 01:53.24 | Adys | " |
| 01:53.24 | Adys | This is to prevent people from clearing it too early and making the statement "ulduar is too easy", but this time limit is stupid, It will only encourage people to set up private server and practice there instead. |
| 01:53.24 | Adys | " |
| 01:53.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: link? |
| 01:53.35 | Thunder_Child | aesir, right, you take the bullets and in return you get to muss up her hair |
| 01:53.38 | Jamash | Dewin: :D |
| 01:53.40 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473611256&sid=1&pageNo=12#222 |
| 01:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | oh boo |
| 01:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Got my hopes up that it was a blue saying that |
| 01:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | (sarcasm) |
| 01:54.32 | Jamash | people think private servers magically get new boss behaviors when new patches come out? |
| 01:54.50 | Hirsute | Jamash: And they think that the APIs are automatically identical as well. |
| 01:55.28 | Hirsute | Amazed me how many people tried to get help for Auctioneer on private servers a couple of patches ago when something changed with the API we use on live realms, and didn't on their private servers. |
| 01:56.26 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaGama: you should reply to this http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&postId=164720288695&sid=1#257 |
| 01:56.32 | Adys | Jamash: yeah |
| 01:56.43 | Arrowmaster | "of course, questhelper.com redirects to curse's page questhelper page, so it's not like questhelper has an official site or anything that is being circumvented. " |
| 01:57.01 | Adys | rofl |
| 01:57.02 | Adys | "Oh, and no dial-up is allowed, you must be directly connected to a T1 line. " |
| 01:57.05 | Adys | yeah |
| 01:57.17 | Adys | man people can talk such bullshit |
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| 02:02.17 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 02:02.23 | Kraftman | lo |
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| 02:12.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:20.07 | Adys | " We have temporarily removed Emblems of Valor and Emblems of Conquest from all levels of difficulty from the chest, Freya's Gift, that you receive upon completion of the Freya encounter. We will restore these in a future patch when the issue has been resolved. " |
| 02:20.13 | Adys | sounds like one of those spamclick issues |
| 02:20.22 | Adys | wonders about kara chest |
| 02:20.41 | tekkub | or everyone that opens it is triggering the "everyone gets a badge" thing |
| 02:21.12 | Adys | the everyone gets a badge thing is horribly hacky |
| 02:21.23 | tekkub | nothing wrong with hacky! |
| 02:22.18 | Seerah | I am probably slow on this.... but I love this quote from this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=13 |
| 02:22.18 | Seerah | "ironically, it seems like the best way to kill wowmatrix -- if you believe the bandwidth argument -- would be to use it to update your addons. " |
| 02:25.04 | Iriel | Unfortunately they're probably insulated from that |
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| 02:28.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: huh? am i missing something there? |
| 02:28.29 | Seerah | just chuckling at the irony :) |
| 02:29.08 | Seerah | they'll grab up whatever they can, have users clicking away at their update button and maybe it'll be too expensive for them ;) |
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| 02:29.44 | Cairenn | here's hoping |
| 02:30.05 | Cairenn | unfortunately, they are still pulling from more places than they are from their own |
| 02:30.12 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 02:30.30 | Kaelten | they've shifted to pulling a lot off of wowui |
| 02:30.34 | Kaelten | from what I saw |
| 02:31.00 | tekkub | wowui's not buckled yet? damn |
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| 02:31.45 | Kaelten | tekkub: na it's not a patch day |
| 02:31.54 | Kaelten | and I've told rushter the general technique on how to block it |
| 02:31.59 | Kaelten | so hopefully he's putting it to good use |
| 02:32.01 | Cairenn | they're finding all the un-protected places - wowui.incgamers, source forge, google code, all the other rip off sites (ie another new one discovered today, hotwow), authors' individual sites, etc |
| 02:32.39 | tekkub | "step one: cock, step 2: ??? step 3: block" |
| 02:33.12 | Cloudwolf | step4 stop them even more |
| 02:33.18 | bleeter | Kaelten: so tell me how to avoid it so I can go back to using wget, and FreeDownloadManager works properly! :P |
| 02:34.02 | DWSR | what's the other spell detail slider? Texture resolution? |
| 02:34.13 | Kaelten | bleeter: that's a secret :P |
| 02:34.28 | bleeter | Kaelten: to be honest, I ain't tried FDM with Curse, but it fails horribly with WoWI |
| 02:34.52 | Kaelten | bleeter: not sure how it works honestly |
| 02:34.56 | Antiarc | Another one. |
| 02:34.56 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473761210&sid=1 |
| 02:34.57 | Kaelten | depends on if it can get the redirect or not |
| 02:35.00 | Antiarc | Go wild. folks. |
| 02:35.09 | Kaelten | that one's not as bad |
| 02:35.16 | Kaelten | I've seen a lot worse threads |
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| 02:37.26 | bleeter | Iriel: "and that THAT those who are raising" ?? :P |
| 02:38.01 | Kaelten | anyone willing to do frFR, deDE, esMX, zhCN, or esES translations for One* |
| 02:38.02 | Kaelten | ? |
| 02:38.16 | Iriel | bleeter: weird, thanks. |
| 02:38.37 | bleeter | Kaelten: for one what? |
| 02:38.40 | bleeter | for a shag? sure |
| 02:38.44 | bleeter | beer, pass... don't drink no more |
| 02:38.54 | Kaelten | :P |
| 02:38.58 | DWSR | Kaelten: I can help with frFR |
| 02:39.01 | Kaelten | OneBag|Bank|Ring |
| 02:39.09 | Kaelten | and OneCore |
| 02:39.16 | Kaelten | DWSR: thanks :) |
| 02:39.17 | Kaelten | http://www.wowace.com/projects/onecore/localization/ |
| 02:39.23 | Kaelten | thats the majority of them |
| 02:39.38 | Kaelten | each of the modules have a handful or so of short strings |
| 02:39.59 | bleeter | I wanna see people coming out with enAU translations. "if realm is oceanic then change every string to 'Bruce'" |
| 02:40.29 | Kaelten | bleeter: I've always thought a Klignon translation would be amusing |
| 02:41.35 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:41.49 | bleeter | Kaelten: there's this aussie perl hacker who gets around giving lectures and talks on perl, who provides his slideshows in Klingon |
| 02:42.17 | Kaelten | lol |
| 02:42.32 | bleeter | though I think he said he did it all as a tax dodge so he could buy a star trek suit and get it deducted for work |
| 02:42.44 | bleeter | and the tax office turned him down |
| 02:42.48 | bleeter | FAIL ATO FAIL |
| 02:43.51 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 02:44.43 | bleeter | this is him |
| 02:44.44 | bleeter | http://lca2009.linux.org.au/programme/schedule/view_talk/228 |
| 02:44.51 | bleeter | "The Art of Klingon programming and What's New in Perl 5.10? (double feature)" |
| 02:45.44 | bleeter | seriously funny guy |
| 02:47.34 | bleeter | whilst talking languages.. I'm still trying to work out how the hell my Tauren can understand the human from the Argent Crusade when he says 'for the alliance' |
| 02:47.45 | Wobin | On the job training |
| 02:47.50 | bleeter | actually.. dunno what's worse. the human NPC telling me that or me not being able to punch him in the face >< |
| 02:48.19 | bleeter | doesn't want to know what kind of job Wobin is on right now ;) |
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| 02:50.29 | bleeter | ~staple Wobin |
| 02:50.29 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Wobin quite well, and hands Wobin to bleeter |
| 02:50.48 | Wobin | bleeter: No job =( I got retrenched =( |
| 02:51.28 | Adys | GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH |
| 02:51.42 | bleeter | ~comfort Wobin |
| 02:51.43 | purl | There, there, Wobin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:51.43 | Adys | **;&&&@~ out of date addons |
| 02:52.02 | AbsolutRayne | I just found out that a Friend I had back in NJ died a month ago. :/ |
| 02:52.48 | AbsolutRayne | No idea, no one contacted me or anything... |
| 02:53.00 | Wobin | AbsolutRayne: =( |
| 02:55.56 | bleeter | AbsolutRayne: sorry to hear that :( |
| 02:56.10 | Lunessa|Away | AbsolutRayne: It's sad, and painful to lose a friend. |
| 02:57.18 | AbsolutRayne | Sucks...I leave and everything goes to shit... |
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| 03:00.22 | Lothaer | did wow interface go KABOOOOM!!!? |
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| 03:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like |
| 03:00.48 | Lothaer | Connection Interrupted |
| 03:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and it's back |
| 03:00.48 | Lothaer | The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. |
| 03:00.48 | Lothaer | The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. Please try again. |
| 03:00.50 | Cairenn | yes |
| 03:00.53 | Lothaer | k lol |
| 03:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Refresh |
| 03:01.17 | Lothaer | i did :D |
| 03:01.29 | Cairenn | it's all good now |
| 03:01.40 | Lothaer | sure is Cairenn |
| 03:01.56 | Lothaer | did Rush get in contact with you guys? |
| 03:02.32 | Cairenn | he hasn't contacted us, but I know he's been talking to Kaelten |
| 03:02.58 | Lothaer | cool cause it looks like WM is not targeting wowui now that wowi and curse have it blocked >< |
| 03:03.14 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:03.14 | Lunessa|Away | Night guys. |
| 03:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | night |
| 03:03.17 | Lothaer | later |
| 03:03.20 | Cairenn | we tried to poke you :p |
| 03:03.24 | Cairenn | so you'd know in time |
| 03:03.31 | Lothaer | yeah i got the msg but it was too late |
| 03:03.36 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:03.38 | Lothaer | lol |
| 03:03.46 | Lothaer | better late then never imo |
| 03:03.47 | Cairenn | I know, we've had this convo already :) |
| 03:03.51 | Lothaer | ypu yup |
| 03:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:04.01 | Cairenn | I feel bad that you guys are having to deal with them now |
| 03:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | wow @ the wowmatrix.com homepage shrinking drastically |
| 03:04.15 | kd3 | sbo; I laughed long and hard at that |
| 03:04.22 | Lothaer | well id love to stay and shoot the breeze with ya's but i g2g and pay bills *sigh* and do all the domestic crap >< |
| 03:04.30 | Cairenn | hopefully with the info Kael is passing along to Rush, you guys will get them blocked soon too |
| 03:04.35 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: hmmm? |
| 03:04.38 | Lothaer | it was bound to happen sooner or later |
| 03:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: http://www.wowmatrix.com/ |
| 03:04.46 | Kaelten | Lothaer: I gave him some info but he's not talked to me anymore yet |
| 03:04.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: that table used to be twice that size |
| 03:05.00 | Cairenn | ahhhh |
| 03:05.12 | Lothaer | yeah i spoked to Maticus and she said he was running around like crazy doing stuff yesterday |
| 03:05.27 | Lothaer | but i reallt g2g pulling GF aggro... shes worse than Ony lol |
| 03:05.29 | Lothaer | laterz |
| 03:05.31 | Cairenn | damnit, where's Kirk |
| 03:05.35 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: click the other it's still a huge list in there |
| 03:05.38 | kd3 | gf aggro... |
| 03:05.41 | kd3 | cowers in fear |
| 03:05.44 | Arrowmaster | "Cartographer (2.5.1 GPLv2) - Enhances the world map. (Author: ckknight, Arrowmaster, Moncai, AbydosLanti)" |
| 03:05.44 | Lothaer | lol |
| 03:05.45 | Lothaer | bywe |
| 03:05.59 | Arrowmaster | they clearly see that they arent allowed to host new versions |
| 03:06.05 | Arrowmaster | fucking skum |
| 03:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: judging from the code I've seen of his, that mage is either manually done or pulled from his database files, which still list them |
| 03:06.17 | Shirik | yay |
| 03:06.22 | Shirik | first 4 bosses down in ulduar |
| 03:06.24 | Shirik | 25 |
| 03:06.35 | Kaelten | i'm sure everything is manual |
| 03:07.16 | Cairenn | Kirkburn has officially discontinued ClearFont, he had me remove it from WoWI today |
| 03:07.25 | Kaelten | thats a shame |
| 03:07.25 | Cairenn | so he's going to be thrilled to see it up there still |
| 03:07.28 | Kaelten | I used to love that addon |
| 03:07.32 | kd3 | hm, lemme poke him |
| 03:07.43 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: he officially discontinued it a long time ago |
| 03:07.55 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: yeah, I know, but officially officially |
| 03:08.00 | Arrowmaster | "FuBar (3.5.8 GPLv2) - A panel that modules can plug into. (Author: ckknight, Arrowmaster)" |
| 03:08.03 | Arrowmaster | skum i say |
| 03:08.04 | Cairenn | ie pulling it down off the sites and everything |
| 03:08.05 | Arrowmaster | SKUM |
| 03:08.12 | kd3 | bah, he logged 7ish hours ago |
| 03:09.30 | kd3 | the hell? a level 10 just said something random in /1 in sholazar |
| 03:09.44 | Arrowmaster | random? |
| 03:09.50 | Arrowmaster | not a gold spammer? |
| 03:09.58 | kd3 | 'gag a wa kuang' |
| 03:10.17 | Cloudwolf | fucked up beyond all recognition? fubar? |
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| 03:11.11 | bleeter | kd3: afaik the chat trial restrictions don't exist anymore |
| 03:11.41 | bleeter | er.. trial chat |
| 03:11.58 | bleeter | Cloudwolf: yes |
| 03:12.36 | bleeter | kd3: win32.kuang's a password stealing trojan.. /shrug |
| 03:15.52 | AbsolutRayne | Going to Ulduar, needs to eliminatez teh lagz |
| 03:15.55 | AbsolutRayne | <3 bbl |
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| 03:22.59 | kd3 | hey tekkub, how well does syc handle vials? |
| 03:27.56 | bleeter | any boomkins around who can give me tips on rotations etc., I've been asked to respec and I have nfi whatsoever lol |
| 03:29.00 | dolseni | step 1: don't be oomkin |
| 03:29.04 | dolseni | step 2: ??? |
| 03:30.05 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19zFlPah-o <-- cool |
| 03:30.34 | Wobin | step 1: Is it on fire? If not, go to step 2 |
| 03:30.41 | Wobin | Step 2: put it on fire |
| 03:30.50 | Wobin | Step 3: See Step 1 |
| 03:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | sage advice |
| 03:31.54 | bleeter | Wobin: if at step 1, it is on fire... do what? |
| 03:32.15 | Wobin | well then you've done your job, no? |
| 03:32.45 | Codayus | Poorly written instructions. :-( |
| 03:33.04 | Wobin | basically you have to choose depending on how your mana consumption is |
| 03:33.27 | Wobin | and what proc you've gotten with .. eclipse? Moon/Earth? I can't recall now =( |
| 03:33.45 | Wobin | Then again, I've not played my boomkin for a while |
| 03:33.50 | Wobin | so info may be dated |
| 03:34.19 | Elly | brain not up right now :P |
| 03:34.25 | Elly | oops, wrong channel! |
| 03:34.29 | bleeter | lol |
| 03:34.38 | Elly | thus proving my prior statement :P |
| 03:34.48 | bleeter | qed, indeed ;) |
| 03:37.29 | Hjalte | bleeter: After 3.1, some report that solar eclipse, proccing it with starfire does more damage, but lunar eclipse, procced with wrath, sure is healthier on your mana. Keep your dots up, but don't refresh Insect Swarm in an Eclipse, that's what I do at least. |
| 03:42.21 | kd3 | hey ackis; bug report |
| 03:42.34 | kd3 | smoked desert dumplings isn't in IF... it's in cenarion hold |
| 03:43.47 | bleeter | is it still a quest? |
| 03:44.06 | bleeter | oh hmm maybe that was sandworm treats or something else hmm |
| 03:44.14 | kd3 | ya, but it's still only in silithus |
| 03:45.19 | kd3 | bah, he's not even in here |
| 03:45.22 | kd3 | gets on the site |
| 03:45.58 | bleeter | lol |
| 03:46.56 | kd3 | wonders if that bug report on wowi went through |
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| 03:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: you're the one who pointed me at the rename command some time ago. Know of any easy way to get it to prepend a string to every file? |
| 03:49.39 | kd3 | not easily. I just cheat and use 'Thunar -B'. it's part of xfce |
| 03:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 03:50.20 | bleeter | for f in *;do mv $f prepended-string$f;done |
| 03:50.35 | ScytheBlade1 | another way of doing it |
| 03:51.17 | bleeter | want me to rewrite that in perl? |
| 03:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | filenames have spaces in them so I just need to poke with the quotes |
| 03:52.20 | bleeter | for f in *;do mv '$f' '\"$f\"';done... or something nasty like that |
| 03:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Wouldn't the ' force the $f to not expand? |
| 03:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 03:53.49 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: really, what you should do is replace spaces in filenames with underscores |
| 03:53.55 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: and ban all quoting |
| 03:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No, no I don't |
| 03:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Not for my music collection |
| 03:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 03:55.06 | DWSR | Anyone know of an addon that has the same function as Forte's Cooldown timer? |
| 03:55.11 | DWSR | err, does the same thing? |
| 03:59.28 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: for f in *;do echo $f;mv "$f" \""${f}"\";done |
| 03:59.35 | ScytheBlade1 | wow that's nasty |
| 04:00.04 | bleeter | well you can remove the echo $f if you want |
| 04:00.09 | bleeter | that's just there for niceness ;) |
| 04:00.15 | bleeter | *echo $f; |
| 04:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | normally I just prepend an echo statement before I actually do whatever |
| 04:00.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That way I can see exactly what it'll run |
| 04:00.46 | bleeter | my whole test statement was really |
| 04:00.47 | bleeter | rm -fr *;touch "1 1";touch "2 2";for f in *;do echo $f;mv "$f" \""${f}"\";done;ls |
| 04:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:01.03 | kd3 | hokay... finally off my ass |
| 04:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | man that's nasty |
| 04:01.11 | kd3 | is now a premium supporter of wowi |
| 04:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | but yeah, my music collection is the one thing I am INCREDIBLY OCD about |
| 04:01.56 | kd3 | need a custom user title |
| 04:02.01 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I've spent years agonising over tags and filenames, along with my brother. We've recently reached the conclusion that there's no sane way to tag files, let alone name them |
| 04:02.05 | bleeter | consistently, that is |
| 04:02.22 | kd3 | meh, I don't care what the filename is. I just hand everything to picard and say 'go get it' |
| 04:02.23 | Thunder_Child | kd3, HateNet? |
| 04:02.25 | Hjalte | DWSR: CoolLine |
| 04:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Arist/Album - Year/Album - TrackNr - SongName |
| 04:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ pretty epic |
| 04:03.26 | Tem | sigh |
| 04:03.26 | bleeter | throws several Beethoven and Mozart pieces at ScytheBlade1's naming convention and watches him implode |
| 04:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 04:03.38 | Tem | one of our raiders is stuck |
| 04:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | As you said |
| 04:03.40 | Tem | she's dead |
| 04:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing will be perfect |
| 04:03.44 | Tem | and can't release |
| 04:03.58 | Tem | also in a spot where we can't get to her to rez |
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| 04:04.15 | Aezay | Tem, tried /run RepopMe()? |
| 04:04.16 | bleeter | throws several Beethoven and Mozart pieces at KD3's picard and watches him implode |
| 04:04.44 | kd3 | I'm having more issues with new stuff fresh out of japan than my classical collection |
| 04:04.50 | kd3 | say, the K-ON ed single |
| 04:04.52 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:05.37 | Arrowmaster | http://similar-images.googlelabs.com/images?q=slow+loris&qtype=similar&tbnid=C0-oygAOTCjuoM&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dslow%2Bloris%26hl%3Den&tprev=/images%3Fq%3Dslow%2Bloris%26hl%3Den |
| 04:05.51 | Arrowmaster | "one of these things is not like the other" |
| 04:06.16 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: try this one... ls *.php | awk '{print("mv "$1" "$1)}' | sed 's/php$/gif/2' | /bin/sh |
| 04:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | you know |
| 04:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It was 10 files |
| 04:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I just gave up and did it manually |
| 04:06.35 | bleeter | lolol |
| 04:06.44 | bleeter | hah |
| 04:06.50 | VonhintenHOME` | ok, so, what's the deal with all the extra trash on XT-002... |
| 04:06.57 | VonhintenHOME` | They are wtf pwning my group |
| 04:07.02 | bleeter | extra? |
| 04:07.15 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, in the back left and right there are a bunch of new adds that weren't there before |
| 04:07.20 | bleeter | didn't they remove it coz it was OP, then put it back after some tuning... are you saying there's more? |
| 04:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't get me wrong I appreciate the effort but yeah |
| 04:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not worth it for 10 files |
| 04:07.31 | bleeter | OP/bugged/etc |
| 04:08.17 | Elly | you're trying to rename a bunch of files to contain a prefix? shouldn't that just be: for x in *; do mv "$x" "prefix$x"; done? |
| 04:08.22 | Cloudwolf | ~seen cloudwolf |
| 04:08.25 | purl | cloudwolf is currently on #wowuidev (2h 46m 46s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen cloudwolf'. |
| 04:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | actualy bah |
| 04:08.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got something like 20-30 albums to add, I forgot |
| 04:08.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Sigh |
| 04:08.57 | bleeter | Elly: the required prefix was a quote, making it a little trickier |
| 04:09.12 | Elly | single or double? |
| 04:09.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The files have spaces in them |
| 04:09.26 | Elly | thus the quotes around "$x" and "prefix$x" |
| 04:09.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't quite work that way, sadly |
| 04:09.39 | Elly | bash still interpolates variables inside quotes |
| 04:09.48 | Elly | why does it not work that way? |
| 04:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | for a in *; do echo mv "$a" "prefix $a"; done |
| 04:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It won't print out what you expect |
| 04:10.27 | Elly | it's true, it won't |
| 04:10.39 | bleeter | well it prints out what I expect |
| 04:11.33 | Elly | for that, you need a dirtier trick: "'prefix $x'" :) |
| 04:11.33 | bleeter | but I suspect that's 'coz I know what to expect >< |
| 04:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Elly: ' prevent $x from expanding |
| 04:11.33 | Elly | not inside "" |
| 04:11.33 | Elly | try it |
| 04:11.34 | Arrowmaster | just use \'s like normal people! |
| 04:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 04:11.47 | ScytheBlade1 | that *may* work |
| 04:11.59 | bleeter | no |
| 04:12.25 | bleeter | http://bleeter.pastey.net/112815 |
| 04:12.52 | Elly | that looks like the desired result? |
| 04:13.17 | bleeter | indeed, which is what I had back ^^^ |
| 04:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I should watch classic Star Trek while renaming/tagging these... ~320 files |
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| 04:18.59 | Syzgyn | Aaaan another night of wiping on simple bosses |
| 04:19.07 | kd3 | head -> wall |
| 04:19.15 | Syzgyn | Ignus this time |
| 04:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ kd3 |
| 04:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I love that simplicity, hahahahahaha |
| 04:19.32 | Syzgyn | So |
| 04:19.42 | Syzgyn | Recruiting Healers and ranged dps |
| 04:19.43 | Syzgyn | :D |
| 04:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | wts resto shaman, bids start at Val'anyr ;) |
| 04:27.06 | bleeter | Syzgyn: if I hadn't transferred last week... |
| 04:29.09 | AnduinLothar | so... seems liek they buffed razor 25man, not nerfed... |
| 04:30.22 | NightHawkTheSane | eh? |
| 04:30.53 | AnduinLothar | or our guild got stupider |
| 04:31.01 | bleeter | or both? |
| 04:31.02 | NightHawkTheSane | more likely :P |
| 04:33.52 | Shirik | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45703 |
| 04:33.53 | Shirik | I just got that |
| 04:33.56 | Shirik | that's a little OP |
| 04:34.56 | Adys | why 42 |
| 04:35.03 | kd3 | why not? |
| 04:35.17 | Jamash | wtb that trinket |
| 04:37.23 | Syzgyn | AnduinLothar: We didnt have any trouble with razor tonight |
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| 04:47.43 | mikma | http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/04/study-pirates-buy-tons-more-music-than-average-folks.ars |
| 04:47.54 | Fisker- | old |
| 04:48.22 | mikma | 2 days |
| 04:48.38 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/04/study-says-eve-online-players-get-laid-more-often-than-wow-players.ars |
| 04:50.03 | mikma | you forgot the e |
| 04:50.10 | mikma | making it arse |
| 04:51.10 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:51.14 | kd3 | just saw that in my news feed |
| 04:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 404 here |
| 04:51.48 | kd3 | sigh |
| 04:51.52 | kd3 | must stop scrolling up |
| 04:52.02 | kd3 | and forgetting to scroll back down |
| 04:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:52.29 | mikma | scytheblade1: four oh four |
| 04:52.39 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: yes that would be more accurate |
| 04:53.04 | mikma | then you also know that adys faked it and you fell for it! |
| 04:53.11 | mikma | ~fail scytheblade1 |
| 04:53.12 | purl | scytheblade1, you Fail! |
| 04:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 04:53.35 | Adys | you fail for it! |
| 04:53.37 | Adys | ~rimshot |
| 04:53.38 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 04:53.45 | mikma | so... |
| 04:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Busy purging mp3s from existance |
| 04:54.00 | mikma | druid like 5 shotted my dk in duel |
| 04:54.07 | mikma | good stuff |
| 04:54.07 | bleeter | btw, is the author of FailBot in here? I kiss you! |
| 04:54.56 | bleeter | nothing better than getting yelled at on vent as a new recruit by the GM for being fail, while watching him fail hard to FailBot lolol |
| 04:55.39 | BWMerlin | Adys: your link is broken |
| 04:55.40 | mikma | failbot is the most annoying spamming addon in a while |
| 04:55.49 | Thunder_Child | mikma, failbot is win |
| 04:56.02 | mikma | its not, its fail |
| 04:56.07 | Thunder_Child | W I N |
| 04:56.10 | bleeter | it's only spammy if you're fail |
| 04:56.18 | mikma | no, F I L, fail |
| 04:56.20 | bleeter | which makes me think mikma fails |
| 04:56.45 | BWMerlin | failboat is fail |
| 04:56.48 | Adys | Silence |
| 04:56.49 | mikma | bleeter: actually, i did intentionally in last naxx25 |
| 04:56.49 | Adys | I kiss you |
| 04:57.02 | BWMerlin | it doesnt even give accurate fails |
| 04:57.12 | mikma | i stood in the place where slimes go across as bear while druid healed me |
| 04:57.29 | mikma | got to 17 until i had to go and tank more mobs |
| 04:57.53 | bleeter | slimes go across as a bear? what? |
| 04:58.03 | bleeter | oh, as a bear you stood... right |
| 04:58.08 | bleeter | took a few parses lol |
| 04:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | froggers. |
| 04:58.14 | NightHawkTheSane | -s |
| 04:58.35 | mikma | i am so sorry |
| 04:58.53 | mikma | i'm dead tired, 8:00am soon and i need to sleep |
| 04:58.57 | Adys | "I stood as a bear with a druid healing me, where the slimes go across" |
| 04:59.53 | Jamash | and the green grass grows all around |
| 05:00.11 | bleeter | while the boy stood on the burning deck |
| 05:00.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 05:01.35 | bleeter | lol "Secret of Ulduar: all the Feral tank gear is outside of it." |
| 05:01.50 | BWMerlin | lol |
| 05:02.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Nuckin (i=43f6758e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aadd14983d310268) |
| 05:02.02 | Adys | less whining from casuals then |
| 05:02.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (n=callahan@74-132-207-20.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:03.14 | Nuckin | So, i just peaked at WoWMatrix's addon list and it has grown significantly, have they found a way around curse and WoWI's road block or are there that many addons under GPL? |
| 05:03.22 | NightHawkTheSane | the secret of ulduar sounds like an old 90's rpg. |
| 05:03.47 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: more like bad 70's pron |
| 05:04.08 | NightHawkTheSane | a little of column a, a little of column b? |
| 05:04.08 | bleeter | Nuckin: yeah, using IncGamers, afaik |
| 05:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | bad 80's rpg porn? |
| 05:04.19 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: could be |
| 05:05.06 | Adys | using incgamers? |
| 05:05.08 | Adys | sounds secure! |
| 05:05.36 | Nuckin | they have Cartographer 2.5.1 |
| 05:05.38 | Nuckin | lol |
| 05:05.54 | Arrowmaster | and fubar 3.5.8 |
| 05:06.08 | Arrowmaster | they arent allowed to host the new versions or they will get DMCA'd |
| 05:06.13 | Arrowmaster | so they are hosting the old ones |
| 05:06.25 | Arrowmaster | fucking skumbags huh |
| 05:06.42 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: why did you ever release cartographer under GPL? |
| 05:06.51 | Arrowmaster | i didnt, ckk did |
| 05:07.10 | Arrowmaster | hes the original author |
| 05:07.46 | Nuckin | oh, wowmatrix lists like 4 authors for cartographer and you're one of them |
| 05:08.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah but ckk is still the original one that created it |
| 05:08.56 | Arrowmaster | i maintained it while he was MIA during tbc |
| 05:09.36 | Arrowmaster | and the other two couldnt let it just die in 3.0 and convinced ckk to let them maintain it, although they never did a good job at it |
| 05:09.57 | mikma | sounds like your updates then |
| 05:10.13 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: lol |
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| 05:10.51 | Arrowmaster | mikma: it worked fine when i was maintaining it during tbc |
| 05:11.00 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: i forked a HUD when 3.0 hit because the original author was MIA, still have yet to get in touch with him |
| 05:11.10 | mikma | you have no proof hahahahahaa |
| 05:11.46 | Arrowmaster | mikma: it didnt have any errors or bugs back then, still broken now after the two that wanted to maintain it in 3.0 have quit |
| 05:12.01 | Arrowmaster | had errors and bugs the entire time they worked onit |
| 05:12.22 | mikma | arrowmaster: really, you can stop now and see the joke |
| 05:13.10 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: so why don't you maintain it again? |
| 05:13.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm the laptop im 'borrowing' went into standby, gota get the power cord |
| 05:13.39 | mikma | does the original owner know you have 'borrowed' it? |
| 05:13.45 | Arrowmaster | Nuckin: well i wanted it to just die since there were better althernative, and ive quit addon development |
| 05:14.06 | Adys | such as? |
| 05:14.09 | Arrowmaster | mikma: not at the momment but i have before |
| 05:14.39 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: understandable, I used to use cartographer in TBC, then when it was bug ridden in 3.0 i dumped it and fell in love with Carbonite's |
| 05:15.09 | Adys | Arrowmaster: better alternatives, which ones are you thinking of? |
| 05:15.11 | mikma | bad word filter just exploded |
| 05:15.15 | mikma | thanks nuckin |
| 05:15.27 | Arrowmaster | mapster, handynotes, gathermate, routes |
| 05:15.35 | Nuckin | I'm actually quite astonished with carbonite's quality of code |
| 05:15.39 | ajmitch | Nuckin: I'm glad you did resurrect & update metahud |
| 05:15.46 | Nuckin | mikma: lol what'd I do?! |
| 05:16.17 | mikma | nuckin: you made the bad word filter assplode by saying carbonite, twice |
| 05:16.25 | Arrowmaster | Nuckin: havent looked it it recently but carbonite used to have some bad table garbage generation |
| 05:17.31 | Nuckin | ajmitch: no problem, I do have some extreme plans for it that I will unfold shortly to address the whole "but the original MetaHUD did X, Y, and Z" QQers |
| 05:17.58 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: well I'm speaking from a usability stand point |
| 05:18.04 | Adys | Arrowmaster: mapster looks neat. thanks |
| 05:18.07 | bleeter | Nuckin: Why '1239234115-MetaHud-Nuckin.zip', as in 'why do you (amongst other authors) insist on not being able to be sorted alphabetically by addon name' |
| 05:18.12 | Nuckin | mikma: i said it once lol |
| 05:18.34 | mikma | nuckin: say what? |
| 05:18.45 | Nuckin | mikma: carbonite |
| 05:18.49 | mikma | =D |
| 05:19.09 | Nuckin | bleeter: I are confuzled |
| 05:19.09 | mikma | and thats number two. |
| 05:19.25 | Nuckin | mikma: tricky bastard =P |
| 05:19.29 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-66-11-162.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:19.45 | bleeter | Nuckin: I hit download on the WoWI page for your meahud branch, and I get a filename starting 123... I'd rather have a file 'Metahud-Nuckin-123...' |
| 05:19.49 | bleeter | *metahud |
| 05:20.23 | Nuckin | bleeter: all my uploaded zips from my hard drive are "MetaHud-Nuckin.zip", the numbering is WoWI |
| 05:20.28 | bleeter | maybe it's something WoWI is adding.. hmm |
| 05:20.35 | bleeter | ok, thanks |
| 05:20.57 | bleeter | Cairenn: what's with all the file name numbering you guys have been adding recently, it's really starting to annoy me that I can't sort my files alphabetically |
| 05:21.07 | bleeter | Cairenn: eg, Nuckin's metahud branch |
| 05:21.10 | Adys | it's to annoy you |
| 05:21.30 | bleeter | I thought it may have been a known side effect of the anti-WM thing |
| 05:21.46 | Cairenn | bleeter: I'm not sure why it's doing that lately, either, I'm sure Dolby has a good reason for it though :) |
| 05:22.11 | Torhal | If that's what it is, slap the numbers at the end for file-sorting folks. |
| 05:22.17 | Dolby | its when a person doesnt change their file name |
| 05:22.18 | Trela | Perhaps if you upload an archive with the same file name as the last it adds the time stamp? |
| 05:22.25 | Dolby | when they update |
| 05:22.26 | Trela | dings. |
| 05:22.36 | Torhal | Ah, no wonder I never have that problem when I update :) |
| 05:22.50 | bleeter | Dolby: ah, so when Nuckin uploads an update... he should put a 'new' suffix so as to avoid this? |
| 05:22.51 | Arrowmaster | i used to see that all the time on wowi years ago |
| 05:23.01 | Torhal | Dolby: Did you talk to ckknight? |
| 05:23.03 | Dolby | yes like version number or something |
| 05:23.08 | mikma | dolby: add us a http://wowinterface.com/random , which will show us a new addon with everytime we reload the page! |
| 05:23.11 | Dolby | otherwise people have cacheing issues |
| 05:23.13 | bleeter | Nuckin: yeah, add version #'s to your zip ;) |
| 05:23.15 | Nuckin | changes ll his filenames to random animal names! |
| 05:23.34 | bleeter | Dolby: what mikma said makes sense, and u no eet |
| 05:23.45 | Nuckin | is uploading the new version of MetaHUD as "elephant.zip" |
| 05:23.50 | bleeter | lol |
| 05:24.10 | Nuckin | bleeter: gotta keep ya on your toes |
| 05:24.16 | Adys | Nuckin: wait until I unzip then you can talk about elephants |
| 05:24.28 | Dolby | it will also do that if the filename is too generic and collides with another files name |
| 05:24.31 | Nuckin | Adys: +1 Zing! |
| 05:24.43 | bleeter | Nuckin: I probably wouldn't have noticed if I didn't have an issue with a Dolby hating a certain download manager ;) :P |
| 05:24.57 | bleeter | Dolby: I know you don't hate, you prolly don't even know. I'm joking :) |
| 05:25.06 | Dolby | i love wowmatrix, cairenn made me do it |
| 05:25.11 | Nuckin | lol |
| 05:25.34 | bleeter | well, I'm not joking about FDM downloading 'download.php' if I already have one download happening... that IS annoying lol |
| 05:25.38 | Nuckin | so is there any way to help on the WoWI downloader? |
| 05:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuckin: you'd have to ask Shirik |
| 05:26.09 | bleeter | Nuckin: get sexor with Shirik, I think |
| 05:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuckin: with that said, it is written entirely in Java |
| 05:26.19 | Shirik | You do not want to ask me that question |
| 05:26.19 | Adys | night people |
| 05:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I take that back |
| 05:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't ask Shirik anything about it |
| 05:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | He'll cut you |
| 05:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | There will be blood |
| 05:26.48 | mikma | s/cut/gut/ |
| 05:26.50 | Nuckin | lol, 99% of my school work is in java |
| 05:27.11 | Trela | Java makes me angry. |
| 05:27.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Kevin_ (n=chatzill@68.61.103.31) |
| 05:27.11 | bleeter | Shirik: so back to our previous convo, I'm still avail to help out. I know it was over a year ago that we last mentioned it, but I'm still here k? |
| 05:27.16 | Cairenn | I hate everyone |
| 05:27.17 | Dolby | FDM? |
| 05:27.28 | Nuckin | ~lart Cairenn |
| 05:27.29 | purl | wallops Cairenn with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 05:27.35 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:27.37 | Torhal | Cairenn: I knew you'd crack one day. |
| 05:27.38 | bleeter | Dolby: http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ |
| 05:27.40 | Nuckin | hahaha |
| 05:27.42 | jnwhiteh | *ahem* |
| 05:27.43 | jnwhiteh | Hey, |
| 05:27.44 | jnwhiteh | There was a note that blizzard is willing to host your patch but it has otherwise been blocked from your site. I don't know I tried to donate but paypal wouldn't let me. |
| 05:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: what Torhal said |
| 05:27.49 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.49 | jnwhiteh | I like the add on good job. |
| 05:27.51 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.52 | Sargeras_ | THE MAN! |
| 05:27.53 | jnwhiteh | WM is now Blizzard |
| 05:27.55 | jnwhiteh | just FYI |
| 05:27.56 | Sargeras_ | >.> |
| 05:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 05:27.57 | jnwhiteh | snickers |
| 05:28.00 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 05:28.13 | Torhal | Hah |
| 05:28.42 | Nuckin | Shirik: If you're looking for coding help, I'd be more than willing to help out |
| 05:28.43 | *** part/#wowuidev Kevin_ (n=chatzill@68.61.103.31) |
| 05:28.47 | mikma | dolby: randoooooooooom |
| 05:28.51 | Dolby | hmmm wonder what it doesnt like about my headers |
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| 05:29.00 | Dolby | mikma: 97 |
| 05:29.16 | Sargeras_ | i'll shine those headers |
| 05:29.17 | Sargeras_ | baby |
| 05:29.29 | Trela | ~purl |
| 05:29.30 | purl | We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated, or a bit funky |
| 05:29.30 | mikma | dolby: add us a http://wowinterface.com/random , which will show us a new addon everytime we reload the page! |
| 05:29.30 | mikma | dolby: do iiiiit |
| 05:30.14 | Dolby | but nothing is really random |
| 05:30.23 | bleeter | Dolby: so I installed it, went to my 'favourites' and started hitting the download disk direct links. First download, fine. Second download, and any others I'd queued while first was active or pending start, 'download.php' was the result. |
| 05:30.52 | Cairenn | rofl, you guys telling Dolby about wowi bingo? |
| 05:30.58 | Nuckin | lol |
| 05:31.08 | mikma | dolby: i'm sure you'll manage to make it as random as possible! |
| 05:31.19 | Dolby | mikma: can I put gold ads on it? |
| 05:31.22 | mikma | cairenn: not yet, he didn't ask about it |
| 05:31.27 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:31.57 | Nuckin | Dolby: you can make it a banner farm with a tiny 1px square box to preview and link to the addon |
| 05:32.15 | Dolby | you just want it to redirect to the addon's fileinfo page? |
| 05:32.34 | Nuckin | i want it to make the sound "Cha-Ching" |
| 05:32.50 | mikma | dolby: yeah, random addon info =) |
| 05:33.06 | Nuckin | use 90's style <embed> tags, it'll be shweet and retro |
| 05:33.24 | mikma | the "mainpage" with pics and description etc |
| 05:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 05:34.02 | bleeter | demands Dolby put up wowi.com/Shrubbery ... and a water feature |
| 05:34.28 | Spectro | hai |
| 05:34.43 | Nuckin | so Shirik wants to keep the alpha updater all to him/her-self? :( |
| 05:34.52 | Shirik | I never said that |
| 05:34.56 | Shirik | please do not put words in my mouth |
| 05:35.05 | Nuckin | sorry, i was a sad panda |
| 05:35.14 | mikma | shirik said he likes peanuts |
| 05:35.16 | bleeter | Nuckin: get in line |
| 05:35.32 | Nuckin | bleeter: psht, I already budged |
| 05:35.36 | Shirik | I'm sory I'm being brief but I'm currently in Ulduar |
| 05:35.37 | bleeter | Nuckin: shirik and i had a gentleman's agreement over a year ago to work on this shizz together .. though he szeems to have totally forgotten |
| 05:35.57 | bleeter | Nuckin: so go back to waiting a year first :P |
| 05:36.22 | Nuckin | Shirik: that place is easy mode :-P |
| 05:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuckin: he's a healer |
| 05:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 05:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | A bad healer |
| 05:36.54 | ScytheBlade1 | But a healer |
| 05:36.58 | Nuckin | hahah |
| 05:37.19 | Nuckin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.31 | mikma | atleast hes playing the game! |
| 05:37.40 | mikma | unlike rest of you! |
| 05:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey |
| 05:37.52 | mikma | way! |
| 05:37.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I have thirty eight cents in my bank account |
| 05:38.08 | Nuckin | there's a game? I just thought there was this customizable UI |
| 05:38.29 | mikma | the game has been built around the ui |
| 05:38.32 | Shirik | anyway, as I was saying |
| 05:38.43 | mikma | theres even a post about that in wowinterface |
| 05:38.45 | Shirik | It would be pointless to bring people on right now. If I choose to take anyone on, it will be after the beta is released. |
| 05:38.54 | mikma | "more than 60 upvalues" |
| 05:39.19 | Shirik | The code is currently about 15000 lines and trying to explain it all to someone new would only delay the product. If you don't agree with me, please go read "The Mythical Man-Month" |
| 05:39.24 | Nuckin | mikma: i read and posted in that thread, the OP got angry :( |
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| 05:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: u r wrong lol |
| 05:39.51 | mikma | nuckin: now hes haxxing wow lua module |
| 05:40.02 | ScytheBlade1 | okay that hurt |
| 05:40.05 | Shirik | Yeah, OP got banned actually |
| 05:40.34 | Nuckin | Shirik: why would i need the code explained? |
| 05:40.55 | Nuckin | read, trace, understand |
| 05:41.09 | mikma | shirik: wat??? |
| 05:41.27 | Shirik | Nuckin, the same reason this would apply to anyone else in the software engineering industry |
| 05:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't just sit down to 15k lines and make it work |
| 05:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Even though he is obsessive over javadoc |
| 05:42.34 | Nuckin | of course you can, lol |
| 05:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 05:43.15 | Nuckin | I took on MetaHud, didn't know Lua or XML, and made it work, and thats 7 or 8 thousand, granted its a mess, but still |
| 05:43.17 | Dolby | mikma: http://www.wowinterface.com/random.php |
| 05:43.42 | Nuckin | Its not easy, but its fun |
| 05:43.50 | Nuckin | maybe I'm a little insane, but owell |
| 05:43.51 | mikma | BINGOTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME! |
| 05:44.03 | mikma | thanks dolby! you are the man! |
| 05:44.17 | Shirik | Dolby ^^^ |
| 05:44.28 | Dolby | NO |
| 05:44.31 | Wobin | Dolby: ^^ |
| 05:44.34 | Shadowed | hahaha |
| 05:44.39 | Shadowed | time to play addon bingo |
| 05:44.42 | Shadowed | thanks Dolby |
| 05:44.46 | Wobin | can we pay you to weight the results? =) |
| 05:45.03 | mikma | now, we need 16 words that describe addons |
| 05:45.04 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:45.16 | mikma | or, 9 will do |
| 05:45.18 | Shadowed | efficient, lightweight, memory |
| 05:45.32 | Wobin | Shadowed: man, what addons have -you- been looking at? =P |
| 05:45.34 | Shadowed | ace? |
| 05:45.36 | bleeter | Shirik: as I say, I offered to help you out well before you started. I've heard nothing back ever since. So, you know, if you're going to complain it'd take to long to explain etc. etc. then.. /shrug dunno how that's my fault |
| 05:45.37 | mikma | and a webpage that generates them in a different order in grid! |
| 05:45.40 | Shadowed | thats 4 |
| 05:45.47 | Shadowed | Wobin what, whats wrong with addon bingo |
| 05:45.58 | Wobin | hehe no, just your choice of words =) |
| 05:46.10 | Shadowed | oh it came up a few days ago |
| 05:46.23 | Nuckin | random thought, anyone ever get a little peeved at the addon authors who hold updates ransom until they get more donations? |
| 05:46.30 | Wobin | We should make it a drinking game |
| 05:46.34 | Shadowed | Nuckin who? |
| 05:46.45 | Nuckin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11067-CursorCastbar.html#comments |
| 05:46.48 | Nuckin | Duugu |
| 05:46.51 | Shadowed | Industrial was the one who came up with the first three thought, I was just the first one to say we should make it into bingo :p |
| 05:47.26 | Shirik | bleeter: I have to apologize as I don't remember that |
| 05:47.31 | bleeter | Nuckin: not at all.. 'pay me to give a damn' |
| 05:47.36 | Shirik | however what I just said was directed more at Nuckin than it was at you |
| 05:47.40 | mikma | <2359> <Industrial> sigh addon developers stop using the words simply and quick and easy in addon descriptions please |
| 05:47.44 | mikma | <2359> <Industrial> oh and lightweight |
| 05:47.44 | bleeter | Nuckin: he also says, he's just after *ONE* donation |
| 05:47.54 | mikma | <0000> <Industrial> lightweigt up your ass >_> How am I going to assess something like that when YOU tell me? |
| 05:47.57 | mikma | <0005> <Shadowed> also memory efficient |
| 05:47.59 | mikma | <0005> <Shadowed> we should play addon bingo |
| 05:48.01 | Wobin | oh, I like the beating the dead horse smilie |
| 05:48.02 | mikma | <0005> <Shadowed> finding buzz words in descriptions |
| 05:48.31 | Wobin | Shadowed: A drinking game would be much more entertaining =) |
| 05:48.35 | Nuckin | bleeter: well apparently he hasn't made anything good enough for ONE donation |
| 05:48.44 | Nuckin | I don't even open donations |
| 05:48.56 | Shadowed | Yea, but I dislike alcohol so :P |
| 05:49.10 | jnwhiteh | I use simple in the simple addons, but not simply =) |
| 05:49.15 | Nuckin | the code is free, its uncompiled scripts, who could seriously make decent money from it? |
| 05:49.17 | jnwhiteh | admittedly i use it too much |
| 05:49.19 | jnwhiteh | even in my writing |
| 05:49.27 | Thunder_Child | ~swat mikma |
| 05:49.28 | purl | ACTION swats mikma with a mikma swatter |
| 05:49.31 | Shadowed | it has to be semi-realistic, if we make it too specific then it's not much of a game |
| 05:49.41 | jnwhiteh | so you can't win bingo with my addons :P |
| 05:49.43 | Shadowed | oh I know, modular/module |
| 05:49.53 | mikma | shadowed: efficient, lightweight, memory, ace, simple, quick, easy |
| 05:49.54 | bleeter | Shirik: yar, I can see how you'd forget a convo that started in 2007, had three more convos in 2008... a bunch of chatter in # during that period of time, so on and so forth |
| 05:50.12 | Shadowed | simple/quick/easy seems redundant |
| 05:50.26 | Nuckin | Shirik: its no biggie, I just thought I'd offer, can't wait to see it :-P |
| 05:50.35 | mikma | small? |
| 05:50.39 | Shadowed | small would work |
| 05:50.48 | Shadowed | that'd be 7 |
| 05:51.22 | bleeter | Shirik: the bits I'm looking forward to seeing are the parts I told you I wanted, and where you said 'hmm that's a good idea'. |
| 05:51.58 | bleeter | Shirik: so here's one of the convos just in case you forgot some of the details you thought were good http://bleeter.pastey.net/112821 |
| 05:52.01 | mikma | shadowed: databroker/ldb? |
| 05:52.02 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: hey, I was just reading that thread, and the point came up about "advertising in LH". Does the Wowhead logo count there? |
| 05:52.07 | Shadowed | thats not a bad thing thought |
| 05:52.10 | bleeter | that's the 'guild package addon' thought |
| 05:52.13 | jnwhiteh | I do not believe so, no. |
| 05:52.23 | jnwhiteh | nor have I (or do I) expect to be contacted. |
| 05:52.24 | Wobin | Personally, I'd think it's more of a 'credit due to' |
| 05:52.31 | jnwhiteh | thats precisely what it is |
| 05:52.36 | Shadowed | it's not obvious either |
| 05:52.43 | Shadowed | doesn't even give you the wowhead link without clicking the button |
| 05:53.00 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017&so=&page=2#cmnt145706 |
| 05:53.14 | jnwhiteh | and then its a web address |
| 05:53.17 | jnwhiteh | not a copy/pasteable llink |
| 05:53.21 | jnwhiteh | that's my position on the matter |
| 05:53.33 | Shadowed | I'm sure they could get it pulled if they really wanted to be anal |
| 05:53.37 | Fisker- | wtf that sucks |
| 05:53.38 | Shadowed | but it's not like it's an actual advertisement |
| 05:53.41 | Fisker- | i've been up since 6am |
| 05:53.42 | Fisker- | :E |
| 05:53.52 | Fisker- | i thought it was 8am or something like that |
| 05:53.53 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 05:53.57 | bleeter | with treatment like that from WoWI, is it any wonder folks like me secretly do root for WM? |
| 05:54.01 | Spellbinder | 07:53:38 GMT+1 22/04/2009 |
| 05:54.01 | Spellbinder | !time |
| 05:54.16 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: what treatment from wowi? |
| 05:54.19 | jnwhiteh | i'm confused |
| 05:54.22 | Spellbinder | wacko!!!!!!11 lol you still here? :) |
| 05:54.42 | Cairenn | wait, what? |
| 05:54.56 | Spellbinder | good game m8 ;) |
| 05:55.05 | Wobin | bleeter is trolling =P |
| 05:55.12 | jnwhiteh | well I don't appreciate it. |
| 05:55.33 | Cairenn | bleeter sounds like he's dead serious and I'm trying to figure out what's gone on that has him mad at us |
| 05:55.36 | jnwhiteh | I don't think its, funny, appropriate or constructive |
| 05:55.45 | DWSR | Anyone know of an addon that does the same thing/looks the same as Forte's Cooldown timer? |
| 05:55.47 | jnwhiteh | and there's a few of here willing to discuss and help with whatever is the problem |
| 05:55.50 | Spellbinder | lol jnwhiteh relax a bit with this ;) http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/301/untitled1dq0.gif |
| 05:56.03 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: It's called Forte's Cooldown timer, you should check it out! *duck* |
| 05:56.27 | bleeter | over two years ago, I started writing a multiplatform, multiaddon site download. I stopped when I came up against the donation/advertising wall |
| 05:56.54 | Wobin | Ok, maybe he's not trolling |
| 05:56.55 | bleeter | I mentioned to both Curse and WoW that without some standard way of advertising, or4 plugins, it's an impossible project |
| 05:57.02 | bleeter | I've mentioned this numerous times in here over the years |
| 05:57.09 | jnwhiteh | Okay |
| 05:57.11 | mikma | shadowed: advanced bingo, longer words, like "this is my first" and "go easy on me" |
| 05:57.11 | bleeter | mid-last year, I was even talking to shirik about it |
| 05:57.22 | jnwhiteh | Well none of this is "WowI" treating you in any way |
| 05:57.23 | Torhal | DWSR: You're looking for http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12467-CoolLine.html |
| 05:57.29 | jnwhiteh | I'd just like to point that out first and foremost |
| 05:58.09 | DWSR | torhal, thanks. :) |
| 05:58.20 | Torhal | Cairenn: Why are you trying to figure it out, anyway. You hate everyone, remember? :D |
| 05:58.24 | Torhal | DWSR: np |
| 05:58.28 | Cairenn | as if |
| 05:58.29 | Fisker- | shh this is a library |
| 05:58.31 | DWSR | WoWI have an automated updater? |
| 05:58.33 | Torhal | Hehehe |
| 05:58.37 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: there has and always will be a site feedback forum. The updater has been discussed here a number of times. |
| 05:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: not currently. In theory yes, but that is as much as I would give it |
| 05:59.08 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: We'd love to hear what you have to say |
| 06:00.54 | Cairenn | bleeter: I'm sorry if you feel like we've been ignoring you or anything, that certainly hasn't been anyone's intent. Things get forgotten, things get missed, it happens. It isn't because we don't value your input and contributions to the community. :( |
| 06:01.36 | Corrodias_2 | i intentionally forgot bleeter. ._. Shirik, too. |
| 06:01.38 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: people @wowuidev/wowistaff ... are wowi. at least in my book on how to read masks. |
| 06:01.46 | jnwhiteh | I'm not trying to placate you in any way.. I'm actually being serious. On the forums everyone can participate and we can have a discussion that spans multiple time zones and other oddness like that. IRC just isn't a good means of communication for something like that. |
| 06:01.55 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: and the actions of one person do not reflect the others of us sitting here |
| 06:02.01 | jnwhiteh | sure it reflects upon |
| 06:02.03 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: no one, *EVER*, requested I post to said forum |
| 06:02.09 | jnwhiteh | but that's not the same thing |
| 06:02.14 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: Okay, that's not my fault |
| 06:02.16 | jnwhiteh | I'm telling you now. |
| 06:02.17 | jnwhiteh | I wasn't here, |
| 06:02.19 | jnwhiteh | or I would have, clearly. |
| 06:02.22 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, who are you again? |
| 06:02.42 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: I dunno, the wowi updater works fine for me =P |
| 06:02.49 | Cairenn | bleeter: come on now, how many times have you seen us ask people to post things into that forum so they /don't/ get forgotten? |
| 06:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: it has some... rough edges |
| 06:02.59 | Wobin | true |
| 06:03.01 | jnwhiteh | the forum post on the wowi updater has been linked here multiple times for the past two weeks.. |
| 06:03.04 | Wobin | but it's still usable |
| 06:03.06 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: dude you have been.. I've been talking about it since before I started my shell script. and that's got a create time in mid 2007. |
| 06:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | For some definition of usable :) |
| 06:03.17 | Wobin | for people who are willing to try to get it to work |
| 06:03.18 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: last two weeks??? I've been talking the past two *YEARS* |
| 06:03.19 | jnwhiteh | *ahem* |
| 06:03.26 | jnwhiteh | just because i was logged in, does not mean I was here. |
| 06:03.32 | bleeter | QED |
| 06:03.54 | jnwhiteh | I use an IRC proxy, and it notifies me of specific activities that I might need to read |
| 06:03.58 | Wobin | or in that it "works fine for me!" =) |
| 06:03.59 | msou| | Is there a specific addon were you can tell what that mob is actually going to drop? |
| 06:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: I've had it work too. But eh |
| 06:04.22 | Shadowed | the rogue edges are mostly minor graphical stuff that I've seen at least thought scythe |
| 06:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 06:04.29 | Shadowed | s/rogue/rough |
| 06:04.32 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: I understand your frustration, but there's nothing we can do to change the past now, is there? |
| 06:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Searching out addons without an account is.. pain |
| 06:04.39 | Shadowed | s/s/rogue/rough/s/rouge/rough// |
| 06:04.39 | Wobin | hehe rogue edges |
| 06:04.40 | jnwhiteh | So either you're going to be upset, or we'll be able to move past this |
| 06:04.54 | jnwhiteh | but this right now isn't constructive for anyone =( |
| 06:05.03 | Shadowed | it isn't, but it's excellent to read! |
| 06:05.08 | bleeter | ill tell you what's not constructive |
| 06:05.11 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: troll elsewhere |
| 06:05.14 | Shadowed | :( |
| 06:05.14 | bleeter | being in the same place as we all were 2 years ago |
| 06:05.26 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: oh, in that, it's true, but I see it as a downloader, not as an addon management system |
| 06:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough |
| 06:05.52 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: well I'm sorry you feel that way. |
| 06:05.56 | Shirik | ok now that hodir's down |
| 06:06.00 | jnwhiteh | Two years ago Shirik was writing a VERY SPECIFIC updater for wowi |
| 06:06.01 | jnwhiteh | and he completed it |
| 06:06.09 | jnwhiteh | and that had very specific requirements, that weren't his |
| 06:06.09 | Shadowed | still wouldn't call it the same place, since there is a new updater thats in the works, even if it's not out yet thats not the same place |
| 06:06.13 | jnwhiteh | that is far from the situation we are in today |
| 06:06.14 | Wobin | It keeps the addons I'm interested in up to date, and that's all I need from it |
| 06:06.26 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: and one year ago we talked about how to change it, and how to co-operate on changes |
| 06:06.27 | Fisker- | makes fun or Shirik |
| 06:06.30 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: i am the terror that flaps in the night |
| 06:06.31 | jnwhiteh | where he's developing an open framework that can display advertising, site news and other plugin specific information. |
| 06:06.31 | bleeter | that just got ignored |
| 06:06.37 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: did it? |
| 06:06.40 | jnwhiteh | or has he implemented it? |
| 06:06.47 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: in other words, he's doing exactly what was discussed before with me |
| 06:06.52 | bleeter | ... |
| 06:07.07 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, a beating off peeping tom? |
| 06:07.16 | Thunder_Child | oh...flaps... |
| 06:07.19 | Thunder_Child | nvm then |
| 06:07.20 | Cairenn | it didn't get ignored bleeter, it got forgotten over time, we've only started work on the new one ... how long ago Shirik? fairly recently |
| 06:07.31 | Cairenn | we're human bleeter |
| 06:07.36 | Cairenn | things get forgotten |
| 06:07.38 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 06:08.32 | bleeter | oh well, I'll still be intrigued as to how many 'unique features' it'll ahve that are on these lists I have here that I've previously discussed etc. |
| 06:08.45 | jnwhiteh | well if you can provide those lists, we can look and see |
| 06:08.47 | jnwhiteh | and have a conversation |
| 06:09.07 | jnwhiteh | but invoking age old IRC conversations, when you're the only one who has the information stored in your brain doesn't help us check =( |
| 06:09.13 | jnwhiteh | Again, Im' sorry about the past |
| 06:09.34 | jnwhiteh | but we can either improve it for the future, by posting the feedback in a permanent place where we can discuss it in a time-agnostic way |
| 06:09.39 | bleeter | dude, I don't have a brain. Everyone knows this. |
| 06:09.42 | bleeter | that's why I keep logs |
| 06:09.43 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 06:09.48 | bleeter | :P |
| 06:09.50 | Cairenn | shirik and clad have both been crazy busy with their grad studies, I've had all kinds of personal bullshit going on here at home, dolby is holding down another job as well as doing all the programming on all of our sites, seerah has her real life to deal with and isn't actually really involved in the updater coding - things get forgotten |
| 06:09.51 | Fisker- | rages |
| 06:09.51 | Dolby | Sorry as well, I must have missed what you said in IRC as well. Thats why I like the forum for suggestions |
| 06:10.12 | Dolby | doesnt help i forget whats said in irc most of the time either |
| 06:10.29 | Cairenn | and if things are implemented in the new one he's working on, then that's actually a credit to you, that your idea was good enough that it actually stuck in our brains |
| 06:10.36 | tekkub | yup, that's why I say shit about you all the time |
| 06:10.48 | Cairenn | s/working on/working on that you suggested/ |
| 06:10.50 | tekkub | Dolby has a huge floppy dick |
| 06:10.56 | tekkub | see, you'll forget that in a day or so |
| 06:11.31 | jnwhiteh | Cladhaire |
| 06:11.31 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.01 | Arrowmaster | why the hell wont they just delist stuff |
| 06:12.11 | Arrowmaster | can you legally force them to? |
| 06:12.11 | tekkub | Because they're dicks? |
| 06:12.20 | tekkub | this WM or someone else? |
| 06:12.24 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I don't think you can force someone to not link to your site... |
| 06:12.27 | Thunder_Child | "English Motherfucker, do you speak it?" |
| 06:12.42 | Wobin | hehe, I just got a WM distribution request on Curse |
| 06:12.47 | Arrowmaster | put wowhead in the lightheaded desciption then sic the ZAM lawyers on them for the trademark |
| 06:12.53 | Wobin | and the link they posted gets censored out by curse |
| 06:13.01 | Wobin | so it leads to: http://www.**************/contact.html |
| 06:13.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe22fa00-138.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 06:13.26 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:13.26 | Cairenn | they've been spamming authors on WoWI too |
| 06:13.40 | mikma | tekkub: who can forget about floppy dicks? |
| 06:13.41 | tekkub | I feel neglected, no one's asked me to put my shits on WM |
| 06:13.52 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=129868#post129868 |
| 06:13.55 | Shirik | tekkub: Me neither :( |
| 06:13.55 | Thunder_Child | i wonder why |
| 06:13.55 | NightHawkTheSane | no one wants your crap, tekkub :P |
| 06:14.00 | Fisker- | hello jnwhiteh why so engrish? |
| 06:14.08 | tekkub | mikma: if anyone can, Dolby can, even if it's his own SO BIG AMERICAN PENIS! |
| 06:14.24 | jnwhiteh | tekkus is scaring me |
| 06:14.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably because they added an info pane when you try to download an addon from WoWI/Curse saying "Go nag the authors about it" |
| 06:14.29 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: your stuff is all listed on the wowmatrix site still |
| 06:14.39 | Shadowed | don't worry |
| 06:14.40 | mikma | aa, you mean huge like DRAINS THE BRAINS |
| 06:14.44 | Shadowed | they list your donation link now in wowmatrix, it's all good |
| 06:14.46 | mikma | now i get it |
| 06:14.46 | tekkub | listed, but not available, right? |
| 06:14.51 | tekkub | like basically everyon eelse's |
| 06:14.55 | Arrowmaster | seriously cant we sue them for incuraging harassment |
| 06:15.19 | *** join/#wowuidev kobh (i=d9c73682@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-278e179216913983) |
| 06:15.22 | bleeter | so could someone tell me which forum's meant to have the downloader feedback? |
| 06:15.24 | bleeter | on wowi? |
| 06:15.42 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20417 |
| 06:16.02 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 is [probably the most appropriate for a standalone thread, whereas the link Cairenn posted is the prior post for the updater. |
| 06:16.04 | Arrowmaster | if you tell them to delist your addon and they do not and leave the notice that users should contact the authors to ask them to host it on wowmatrix isnt that harassment? |
| 06:16.14 | bleeter | Cairenn: oh a thread inside News? |
| 06:16.18 | Fisker- | Cairenn my update doesn't work! |
| 06:16.25 | bleeter | no wonder I missed it on http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/index.php |
| 06:16.33 | bleeter | Cairenn: people had been yelling at me to post in the Forum |
| 06:16.37 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22502 |
| 06:16.42 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22386 |
| 06:16.47 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22284 |
| 06:16.48 | Dolby | you can also post a new thread in the feedback forum |
| 06:16.49 | bleeter | got it now thx :) |
| 06:16.51 | Dolby | ideas for patcher |
| 06:16.52 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22248 |
| 06:17.04 | Zhinjio | Jpw |
| 06:17.10 | Zhinjio | How're folks, tonight? |
| 06:17.10 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Bwah? |
| 06:17.17 | nevcairiel | Did anyone do a 3.1.1 UI diff? have there been changes at all? i didnt get my usual diff mail yet =) |
| 06:17.20 | Zhinjio | fingers were not where they appeared to be. |
| 06:17.22 | Zhinjio | guh |
| 06:17.28 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: I think a new thread is the most appropriate so it doesn't get lost |
| 06:17.30 | Torhal | nevcairiel: There have been some definite changes |
| 06:17.37 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: would you mind linking it to me by addressing me when you've posted it |
| 06:17.40 | jnwhiteh | i'd like ot take a look at it |
| 06:17.49 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Buff frames, for sure. I helped BWMerlin get a ButtonFacade addon working last night |
| 06:17.53 | kd3 | nev; no changes |
| 06:18.05 | nevcairiel | okay |
| 06:18.05 | Torhal | Or was that changes from 3.0.9 to 3.1? Gah |
| 06:18.15 | Torhal | has a brain meltdown. |
| 06:18.23 | nevcairiel | I figured they might skip on UI changes for a client-hotfix |
| 06:18.30 | Torhal | Yah, 8MB patch |
| 06:19.12 | Fisker- | http://notalwaysright.com/stop-drop-service-the-customer/1814 <-pisspoor service! |
| 06:19.50 | jnwhiteh | Hello, thanks for your agree. |
| 06:19.51 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.06 | Fisker- | so sowwy they mean |
| 06:20.07 | Arrowmaster | ?? |
| 06:20.38 | Wobin | hm, well WM are no longer listing my addons |
| 06:20.41 | Wobin | so that's good |
| 06:20.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 06:20.50 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: how'd you get that done? |
| 06:20.57 | krka | they're not listing my addons either |
| 06:20.58 | Wobin | I didn't do anything |
| 06:20.59 | jnwhiteh | i'd be ecstatic if i could get mine de-listed |
| 06:21.01 | krka | hurray |
| 06:21.13 | nevcairiel | WM is only listing addons with an open source license now |
| 06:21.16 | nevcairiel | hosting it themself |
| 06:21.18 | Arrowmaster | they had mine in the client but not on the website |
| 06:21.19 | Wobin | I was -going- to send a "please delist" but never got around to it |
| 06:21.28 | Wobin | Mine aren't in the client either |
| 06:21.28 | tekkub | listing, or hosting? |
| 06:21.32 | jnwhiteh | boo |
| 06:21.37 | tekkub | they still show "offline" addons? |
| 06:21.43 | *** join/#wowuidev airtonix (n=airtonix@ppp121-45-46-166.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 06:21.49 | Arrowmaster | mine were listed in the client lastweek |
| 06:21.49 | jnwhiteh | servers down for another 3 hours |
| 06:21.57 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: mind checking mine? |
| 06:21.58 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: I can't find Clique or LH in the listing |
| 06:22.04 | jnwhiteh | Hurrah! |
| 06:22.11 | airtonix | what listing? |
| 06:22.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont and never have had wowmatrix installed |
| 06:22.12 | jnwhiteh | that is very good news |
| 06:22.14 | Wobin | WM's |
| 06:22.19 | tekkub | *backs up addon folder before testing* |
| 06:22.20 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@dhcp-077-250-125-249.chello.nl) |
| 06:22.20 | kobh | Hello, is there a different place than \WTF\Realm\Char\Savedvariables where variables are saved? My addon keeps using very old values that were set with the ColorPickerFrame, but SavedVariables shows no apparent reason why it would. |
| 06:22.26 | airtonix | runs to check, having checked only 4hrs ago |
| 06:22.27 | Arrowmaster | i just looked at the decrypted addon db files |
| 06:22.30 | Wobin | tekkub: It does have MountMe in it |
| 06:22.40 | Wobin | (I have it pointed to my ptr build) |
| 06:22.42 | tekkub | MountMe is fucking months dead |
| 06:22.56 | nevcairiel | They actually respect everyones rights now, they just live on open source licenses and host those =P |
| 06:23.12 | tekkub | "everyone" or WoWI/Curse? |
| 06:23.15 | Wobin | tekkub: that's just one I saw |
| 06:23.17 | airtonix | ok maybe it was hotwow i saw clique on |
| 06:23.17 | bleeter | kobh: yes, just \WTF\Account\<Account Name>\Saved Variables, and \WTF\Account\<Name>\<Realm>\<Toon>\SavedVariables |
| 06:23.22 | Wobin | searching for your name brings up the whole list |
| 06:23.27 | kobh | thank you, bleeter |
| 06:23.29 | bleeter | kobh: as in, two places. a global, and a per toon. |
| 06:23.35 | jnwhiteh | WTF\Account\AccountName\SavedVariables and WTF\Account\AccountName\RealmName\CharName\SavedVariables |
| 06:23.35 | nevcairiel | well they explictly only host addons that are on a license that allows them to host it |
| 06:23.44 | jnwhiteh | lol bleeter wins |
| 06:23.46 | Wobin | panda, Buffet, etc |
| 06:23.54 | jnwhiteh | do you have that macroed man? :P |
| 06:24.02 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: yeah, and hotwow now links to wowi |
| 06:24.25 | Wobin | tekkub: not sure where they're pulling it from though, maybe gcode? |
| 06:24.39 | tekkub | gcode's only like a year out of date |
| 06:24.49 | mikma | http://www.wowmatrix.com/addons/p-t.html |
| 06:25.03 | mikma | all i can see there is tekkub |
| 06:25.17 | Wobin | tekkub: or from github maybe |
| 06:25.23 | tekkub | ControlFreak: :astSVNCommit |
| 06:25.27 | tekkub | that's tha OLD tag |
| 06:25.55 | Wobin | TourGuide 3.1.0.50-Beta |
| 06:25.55 | jnwhiteh | interesting to see |
| 06:25.57 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/04cf2085b4c9b7c168bc5e0940dba9ef.png |
| 06:26.06 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3d8ae6a126a480c3df2231411f0f54d7.png |
| 06:26.10 | airtonix | is this true tekkub? <teksLoot - A rewrite of XLoot Group.> |
| 06:26.16 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7cefa8e1c41597349a94907edefbd09a.png |
| 06:26.16 | krka | if they're hosting themselves, and only stuff they have a right to host, i'd say good work to them... too bad they couldn't do this from the beginning, then they'd avoided all badwill |
| 06:26.17 | airtonix | rewrite of xloot? |
| 06:26.22 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: not working, eh! |
| 06:26.24 | krka | and probably gotten more addons |
| 06:26.28 | Antiarc | What should I use rather than GarbageFu? |
| 06:26.33 | tekkub | the fact that they're tags does smell of github |
| 06:26.37 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: hrm? |
| 06:26.44 | nevcairiel | on the tomtom screenshot :D |
| 06:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: dropthecheapestthing is kinda nice |
| 06:26.57 | Arrowmaster | krka: they are hosting stuff they 'legally' have the right to host but the authors do not want hosted |
| 06:27.13 | tekkub | think their system is "smart" and grabs the highest number, or just the latest tag? |
| 06:27.16 | mikma | cairenn: is it odd if my girlcat just made a murloc-pet sound? |
| 06:27.19 | krka | authors shouldn't use gpl if they don't like the implications of hpl |
| 06:27.21 | krka | *gpl |
| 06:27.23 | tekkub | I could push up some dummy tags to fuck it up |
| 06:27.34 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: if you release on a open license, you need to suck it up =) |
| 06:27.38 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: hehe http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/3465127576/ |
| 06:27.45 | krka | nevcairiel: exactly! |
| 06:27.56 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: license was changed, now they host the out of date version they legally can |
| 06:28.08 | nevcairiel | you also have to live with that =p |
| 06:28.15 | Arrowmaster | tell me how does a 'wow addon updater' knowningly hosting an out of date version help their users? |
| 06:28.25 | nevcairiel | it doesn't |
| 06:28.28 | Wobin | because it's EASY |
| 06:28.31 | Wobin | No wait |
| 06:28.32 | Wobin | it does |
| 06:28.34 | Wobin | cause it's EASY |
| 06:28.49 | nevcairiel | But eventually people will notice that its out of date |
| 06:28.53 | Wobin | No they won't |
| 06:28.55 | nevcairiel | and get away from it |
| 06:29.01 | Wobin | they'll just bug the authors cause IT DOESN'T WORK |
| 06:29.12 | nevcairiel | especially with alot of addons not even being in there anymore |
| 06:29.29 | jnwhiteh | people continue to come to me |
| 06:29.34 | jnwhiteh | saying "I USE THE LATEST VERSION OF TOMTOM AND ITS BROKEN" |
| 06:29.38 | Arrowmaster | if i was the copyright owner i would just post on all the addon sites it hosted on that the addon will not be updated until wowmatrix delists it and then see all the users go spam wowmatrix, but its ckk's addons |
| 06:29.48 | jnwhiteh | me: No, you use wowmatrix, and they are lying to you. Update your damn addon. |
| 06:29.54 | bleeter | Wobin: i herd u r ez |
| 06:29.56 | nevcairiel | I would argue that Curse has about the highest percentage of available addons hosted on them, so the Curse Client has a much better chance of updating your addons |
| 06:30.11 | Wobin | bleeter: That's what -she- said... and so did -she- and -her- too... |
| 06:31.45 | krka | the funny thing is that wowmatrix could technically modify their old versions to claim that they're the latest |
| 06:31.52 | krka | _that_ would be a royal pain |
| 06:31.55 | Arrowmaster | seriously if ckk were to say in the descriptions of all his addons, cartographer fubar pitbull cowtip etc that none of them will receive an update until wowmatrix delists them all and stops hosting outdated versions (that part important to get users on your side), wowmatrix would get flooded with user complaints i bet |
| 06:32.26 | krka | on the other hand, are you required to change names if you fork something? |
| 06:32.37 | Arrowmaster | you can be |
| 06:32.46 | Fisker- | LULZ |
| 06:32.51 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 06:32.56 | sacarasc | lulz over Fisker-. |
| 06:32.57 | nevcairiel | depends on the license |
| 06:33.05 | Fisker- | naw sacarasc |
| 06:33.05 | nevcairiel | I believe GPL forces you to |
| 06:33.07 | nevcairiel | so does BSD |
| 06:33.08 | Fisker- | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/niels_diffrient_rethinks_the_way_we_sit_at_work.html |
| 06:33.13 | Fisker- | lolol "Niels Diffrient" |
| 06:33.14 | Fisker- | hohohoho |
| 06:33.25 | Arrowmaster | then yeah if they edit the files in any way they are forced to rename it right? |
| 06:33.26 | Wobin | Quick, make Putbill, Cortagrapher, ciwtop and fabur! |
| 06:33.30 | mikma | loloooololoooo "Fisker-" |
| 06:33.34 | nevcairiel | lol Wobin |
| 06:33.36 | Wobin | Fisker-: I liked that video |
| 06:33.37 | Fisker- | ~mikma-- |
| 06:33.46 | tekkub | yup, they're hitting github |
| 06:33.48 | mikma | ~mikma++ |
| 06:33.49 | Wobin | I want that chair! |
| 06:33.52 | Fisker- | ~mikma-- |
| 06:33.54 | tekkub | and I have the perfect solution |
| 06:34.01 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: quick sick the github lawyers on them! |
| 06:34.11 | tekkub | I have a funner solution |
| 06:34.22 | Wobin | you're going to hax the download, aren't you? =P |
| 06:34.22 | mikma | ~fisker--- |
| 06:34.29 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: disabling zips for your projects on github? |
| 06:34.31 | mikma | i can do it too! look mamma! |
| 06:34.32 | Fisker- | thanks Mikk |
| 06:34.34 | Fisker- | mikma* |
| 06:34.36 | mikma | fail |
| 06:34.39 | Fisker- | ~Fisker--- |
| 06:34.41 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: replacing master with something that doesnt work? |
| 06:34.41 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3465138898/ |
| 06:34.43 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 06:34.43 | purl | fisker- has karma of -5 |
| 06:34.47 | Fisker- | ;( |
| 06:34.49 | tekkub | they're grabbing tags |
| 06:34.56 | krka | so basically the problem is that authors chose gpl cluelessly and then realized "oh wait... this isn't what i want", and change license for upcoming versions. then wowmatrix is stuck at the old version without any way to use a new |
| 06:35.07 | nevcairiel | lol tek |
| 06:35.16 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: epic |
| 06:35.25 | nevcairiel | pretty much, krka |
| 06:35.30 | Wobin | tekkub: You should change the TOC details in your tags |
| 06:35.32 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: add it to the wowmatrix thread on the ui forums imho |
| 06:35.35 | tekkub | gonna write me a little script to push up a tag to every repo |
| 06:35.38 | Wobin | to say "WoWMatrix is STEALING THIS ADDON" |
| 06:35.56 | tekkub | Arrowmaster: I want people to install these before I acknowledge it |
| 06:36.03 | Fisker- | man the client looks like shit |
| 06:36.11 | Fisker- | can't believe people say it's easier to use |
| 06:36.12 | Fisker- | :E |
| 06:36.18 | tekkub | best part about a script, I can mass-retag if they try to get around it :) |
| 06:36.29 | nevcairiel | did you edit the contents of the tag? |
| 06:36.47 | tekkub | of course! |
| 06:36.48 | Wobin | Just the name, I think |
| 06:36.51 | Wobin | oh ho? =) |
| 06:36.57 | Antiarc | http://i39.tinypic.com/120m0y9.jpg |
| 06:37.01 | tekkub | should I print something, or just remove everything but the TOC? |
| 06:37.06 | Antiarc | lol, arena combat |
| 06:37.21 | kobh | can you check whether or not a debuff applied on target is improved? i.e. improved Hunter |
| 06:37.25 | kobh | 's Mark |
| 06:37.38 | mikma | tekkub: fake addons |
| 06:37.45 | Wobin | tekkub: Rick roll =) |
| 06:37.47 | bleeter | kobh: I don't think so |
| 06:37.47 | nevcairiel | kobh: usually not, no. |
| 06:37.50 | Fisker- | kobh not unless you can get the players talent spec |
| 06:37.52 | kobh | ok |
| 06:37.53 | Wobin | replace all of them with HighRoller |
| 06:37.56 | mikma | tekkub: onupdate print("I love stolen addons!") |
| 06:38.01 | tekkub | Wobin: yea cause it'd print once per addon! |
| 06:38.13 | Fisker- | That could actually be a :O addon |
| 06:38.19 | tekkub | actually I might just code it so that it only prints once |
| 06:38.24 | Fisker- | Scanning talents and replacing debuffs with proper tooltips |
| 06:38.27 | Arrowmaster | onupdate print("WoWMatrix stole this addon!") |
| 06:38.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: spammer |
| 06:39.25 | Wobin | Antiarc: I like Nell's comment |
| 06:39.28 | Arrowmaster | im either going to have to install wowmatrix soon i guess, i doubt Shirik will give me more source dumps |
| 06:39.54 | Wobin | also |
| 06:39.58 | Wobin | WM have no ToU |
| 06:40.01 | Wobin | or EULA |
| 06:40.10 | Shirik | Arrowmaster? |
| 06:40.33 | mikma | bird? |
| 06:40.43 | jnwhiteh | it has a ToU |
| 06:40.44 | Fisker- | lol Wobin |
| 06:40.50 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: whereabouts? |
| 06:40.51 | jnwhiteh | or at least one thing you have to agree with |
| 06:40.51 | Fisker- | "OMG CHAIR LEVERS VERY HARD!" |
| 06:40.54 | Arrowmaster | Arrowmaster: they are now pulling tekkub's addons from github by scanning the tags, so they must have coded something in just for that |
| 06:40.57 | jnwhiteh | when first running |
| 06:41.08 | *** join/#wowuidev batbot (n=batbot@batbytes.com) |
| 06:41.10 | tekkub | that they musta |
| 06:41.12 | Wobin | hm. |
| 06:41.16 | Wobin | it's not an installed product |
| 06:41.17 | Arrowmaster | s/Arrowmaster/Shirik/ |
| 06:41.20 | tekkub | which gives me even more joy in breaking it |
| 06:41.21 | Wobin | so it hasn't happened to me? =) |
| 06:41.24 | Arrowmaster | how did i type that |
| 06:41.32 | tekkub | you're full of yourself |
| 06:41.34 | sacarasc | Way yo talk to yourself, Arrowmaster. |
| 06:41.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:41.49 | durcyn | blatant ircsturbation |
| 06:41.55 | Shirik | I thought we were still talking about my updater |
| 06:41.59 | mikma | batrick: stop buttsecksing the bot! |
| 06:42.02 | Shirik | yeah I would prefer to back off WM, sorry |
| 06:42.08 | Shirik | it's fairly easy to do yourself |
| 06:42.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: vista? |
| 06:42.24 | Shirik | OllyDb is a great tool |
| 06:42.26 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: hm, unless they write to the registry, how does it know when it first runs? |
| 06:42.26 | Shirik | OllyDbg |
| 06:42.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:42.32 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 06:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | in that case sleep |
| 06:42.49 | Shirik | OllyDbg, pause the program, and then open the memory menu and hit ctrl+b (Search) |
| 06:42.50 | Shirik | then win |
| 06:42.54 | mikma | wobin: writes a config file |
| 06:42.59 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: will do |
| 06:43.08 | Wobin | mikma: whereabouts? |
| 06:43.20 | Shirik | seriously, why is an empty statement not legal in Java |
| 06:43.25 | mikma | wobin: heck if i know, was just guessing |
| 06:43.30 | Shirik | I get that it's useless code, but why make it illegal? |
| 06:43.33 | Jamash | Shirik: Because god hates you? |
| 06:43.43 | mikma | fail! |
| 06:43.47 | mikma | there is no god |
| 06:45.55 | krka | Shirik: what do you mean? |
| 06:45.59 | krka | a single ; on its own? |
| 06:46.07 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:46.15 | krka | it wasn't included in the grammar |
| 06:46.21 | Shirik | really it only came up because I typed "return;;" accidentally |
| 06:47.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 06:47.14 | Wobin | but you're right, it has to save settings somewhere |
| 06:47.28 | nevcairiel | did it detect it as an empty statement, or just yell syntax error? |
| 06:47.33 | Jamash | wtb free respecs every day |
| 06:47.41 | Jamash | or ptrs that are always up |
| 06:47.49 | nevcairiel | Jamash: before the 3.1.1 fix, i really had free respecs every day <.< |
| 06:47.51 | nevcairiel | it was annoying |
| 06:47.59 | Jamash | huh |
| 06:48.13 | Wobin | nevcairiel: agreed =P |
| 06:48.14 | Jamash | I hate spending gold just to debug my addon |
| 06:48.17 | nevcairiel | my talents forgot themself on a regular basis |
| 06:50.10 | Jamash | I think I have yet another bug that occurs when the last spell in the spellbook changes |
| 06:50.35 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8864928264&postId=88642311076&sid=1#1 <-i hope this guy responds with something witty |
| 06:50.37 | Jamash | I don't know how many times I've had to fix that one case |
| 06:50.46 | Fisker- | Then i can slap this in his face: http://i42.tinypic.com/fb9wu8.jpg |
| 06:50.47 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 06:52.22 | bleeter | nevcairiel: druid? I had frequent talent loss too |
| 06:52.27 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 06:52.32 | bleeter | nevcairiel: tho my friend tells me that's 'coz I'm a talentless gimboid anyways |
| 06:52.33 | kobh | Is there no UNIT_DEATH -event or something similar? If not, how can i check if my target dies? |
| 06:52.37 | nevcairiel | all talents except my imp.motw vanished |
| 06:52.47 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: version 2 im guessing? |
| 06:52.55 | Shirik | um |
| 06:52.56 | bleeter | nevcairiel: I had master shapeshifter and imp.motw active, but nothing in tier 2 lol |
| 06:52.58 | Shirik | I don't know really |
| 06:53.09 | DWSR | What's the DK hit cap? 8%? |
| 06:53.20 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: its either 1.10 from 2004, or the version 2 preview |
| 06:53.31 | Shirik | I honestly probably still use the old one |
| 06:53.33 | bleeter | nevcairiel: I got as far as suspecting changing spec while in moonkin/tree, but was too afraid to *really* test it hard lol |
| 06:53.44 | Shirik | I have been with Olly for a while and I just use my standard package |
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| 06:53.59 | Fisker- | who? |
| 06:53.59 | Arrowmaster | who? |
| 06:54.01 | Shirik | happy birthday sior|oifig |
| 06:54.03 | Wobin | Fisker-: rofl |
| 06:54.06 | Fisker- | hivemind Arrowmaster |
| 06:54.10 | nevcairiel | unicode fail, imho |
| 06:54.10 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: jinx |
| 06:54.13 | Wobin | Fisker-: Did Blizzard -really- tell you to lrn2play? =) |
| 06:54.17 | bleeter | kobh: um.. I almost know the answer to that |
| 06:54.22 | bleeter | kobh: hopefully someone else... |
| 06:54.23 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: now stick a sock in it |
| 06:54.26 | Fisker- | wat Wobin? :3 |
| 06:54.32 | nevcairiel | combatlog has a UNIT_DIED |
| 06:54.34 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 06:54.39 | Wobin | the screenshot you posted |
| 06:54.41 | bleeter | kobh: ^^ sounds about right |
| 06:54.51 | nevcairiel | anyway, off to university |
| 06:54.54 | Wobin | it basically says: "Too difficult? Perhaps you could read our NEWBIE GUIDE" |
| 06:54.54 | bleeter | kobh: re: UNIT_DIED |
| 06:55.04 | Wobin | DWSR: yes for melee |
| 06:55.14 | Fisker- | heh Wobin :D |
| 06:55.15 | Wobin | DWSR: spellhit is slightly higher |
| 06:55.34 | Fisker- | Merely going to be a response to that pala if he bothers replying again |
| 06:55.42 | Fisker- | Voting with your wallet = Doesn't change a shit |
| 06:55.55 | Wobin | well no |
| 06:56.01 | Wobin | but then you don't have to deal with it |
| 06:56.03 | Wobin | cause you're not playing |
| 06:56.12 | Fisker- | And i don't even use Exorcism in pvp i'm too busy only getting to Divine Storm before i can HoW them |
| 06:56.39 | Fisker- | Anyways, everyone(but Blizzard) saw it coming in any case |
| 06:56.55 | Fisker- | "Pala's need less burst, on a related note, here's exorcism on all targets!" |
| 06:57.20 | Fisker- | Atleast they've promised to remove facerolling as well |
| 06:57.22 | Fisker- | gonna be neat |
| 06:59.09 | Fisker- | I wonder if they'll process my subscription payment soon |
| 06:59.33 | Fisker- | lol wat |
| 06:59.47 | Fisker- | If i choose not to cancel my account i get redirected to "accountcancellation-apology.html" |
| 06:59.53 | Fisker- | apology? |
| 07:00.02 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 07:00.09 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (n=chatzill@82-44-26-105.cable.ubr02.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 07:00.11 | kobh | ok, thanks! |
| 07:00.11 | kobh | where can i find documentation on parsing the combatlog? |
| 07:00.11 | kobh | or at least the arguments of UNIT_DIED? |
| 07:00.40 | bleeter | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 07:00.58 | cncfanatics | boring college class is boring >.> |
| 07:01.14 | bleeter | kobh: some of the parsing is a bit... odd.. but it eventually does make sense |
| 07:02.01 | Wobin | hm, I can't figure out where WowMatrix is storing it's details, like WoW install directory |
| 07:02.13 | kobh | ok thanks |
| 07:02.25 | airtonix | wobin: registery? |
| 07:02.33 | airtonix | Wobin, or plist on macs? |
| 07:02.36 | Wobin | airtonix: doesn't appear to be, unless they name it something weird |
| 07:02.44 | airtonix | wobin, or gconf on linux? |
| 07:02.51 | Wobin | nah, in Windows |
| 07:02.58 | kobh | UNIT_DIED has no arguments? |
| 07:03.13 | airtonix | wobin, obvious step : showing hidden files? |
| 07:03.21 | Wobin | yeah that's default |
| 07:03.24 | Fisker- | or procmon.exe |
| 07:03.25 | Fisker- | go |
| 07:03.29 | airtonix | ^ |
| 07:03.50 | bleeter | kobh: all spells have args in the format as described on that page, for UNIT_DIED sourceGUID and sourceName refer to the unit that died. destGUID and destName are nil. |
| 07:04.35 | bleeter | kobh: so it's using the base 8 parameters, nothing more.. from my reading |
| 07:04.46 | bleeter | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Base_Parameters |
| 07:05.06 | kobh | oh |
| 07:05.06 | kobh | i get it now, thanks |
| 07:05.20 | Wobin | I'll give that a go |
| 07:05.47 | bleeter | kobh: welcome, as I said.. it take a few moments to get a grip on how both suffixes and prefixes appear at the end, or something like that, but on the whole it's not too bad ;) |
| 07:06.45 | Arrowmaster | somebody by fisker a us account http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473141070&sid=1#3 |
| 07:07.14 | Shirik | Anyone know if it's legal to supply a "Location" header along with a HTTP 403 response? |
| 07:07.42 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 07:07.43 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:07.50 | Arrowmaster | dont think so |
| 07:07.50 | Shirik | hm. My cable TV just cut out :( |
| 07:07.51 | kd3 | thinks |
| 07:07.59 | Arrowmaster | you could always test it |
| 07:08.17 | Shirik | problem with that is browsers are infamous for "extensions" |
| 07:08.19 | Wobin | ah Aceron |
| 07:08.24 | Shirik | (or incorrect support) |
| 07:08.53 | kd3 | doesn't 403 only happen when directory listings are off? |
| 07:09.24 | kd3 | I'd use 401 for 'you're not authorized to see this' otherwise |
| 07:09.42 | Arrowmaster | whats 403? |
| 07:09.48 | Shirik | Forbidden |
| 07:09.49 | kd3 | Forbidden |
| 07:10.14 | Shirik | basically it's a way of saying "You aren't allowed to see this page, and you're never going to be allowed to see it. Go away." |
| 07:10.43 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i know you can configure apache to redirect to a different page but i think that causes the 403 status to be lost |
| 07:10.44 | Shirik | 401 differs from that by saying "You aren't allowed to see this page, but if you identified yourself I might let you in." |
| 07:10.47 | bleeter | Shirik: honestly, I don't think it's in the rfc |
| 07:10.55 | bleeter | Shirik: so I doubt it'd work (Location.. this is) |
| 07:11.26 | Shirik | I just decided to make it a 403 page with a "here, follow this link to go back home" page |
| 07:14.07 | kd3 | rofl... wikipedia lists 418 |
| 07:16.51 | bleeter | Shirik: actually... hmm.. this is a wild stab in the dark... if you're using php, try 'cgi.rfc2616_headers=1' in your ini... as I say, wild stab in the dark. |
| 07:17.01 | Jamash | 418 I'm a teapot |
| 07:17.06 | Jamash | is now my favorite status code |
| 07:17.22 | kd3 | ...was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to go searching |
| 07:17.26 | bleeter | Shirik: course that'll restrict you to 2616 compliant browsers, but I suspect that's least of the problems |
| 07:18.11 | bleeter | kd3: http 418's a bastard cousin of RFC 1149 ;) |
| 07:19.19 | Arrowmaster | i wonder how many people would flip out if you started serving 402 errors for addons |
| 07:19.31 | kd3 | lol |
| 07:19.37 | Jamash | haha |
| 07:20.46 | krka | haha |
| 07:21.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Rincewind` (n=Rince@WoWUIDev/Norganna/QA-Engineer/Rincewind) |
| 07:21.47 | bleeter | hmm so people still kicking around with last week's Ulduar raid IDs? |
| 07:22.04 | kd3 | dunno. nobody I talked to on my main server ran in to it |
| 07:22.21 | kd3 | ooh, the final fantasy vocal collections cd just came up |
| 07:22.24 | kd3 | tabs out for a while |
| 07:23.45 | Fisker- | omg |
| 07:23.48 | Fisker- | servers are coming up |
| 07:24.29 | sacarasc | Wow, that's pretty early. |
| 07:24.47 | sacarasc | My server won't be up till like 1300 or something, though. |
| 07:25.37 | bleeter | it was pretty rough US side this morning |
| 07:26.11 | Wobin | hehe I never tried logging in today |
| 07:26.14 | tekkub | oh fuck me daddy |
| 07:26.28 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3465217912/ |
| 07:26.34 | tekkub | that's beautiful |
| 07:27.15 | sacarasc | Tiny writing. |
| 07:27.28 | tekkub | click "all sizes" |
| 07:27.42 | Wobin | hehe 666 |
| 07:27.47 | End | lol |
| 07:27.47 | End | 666 |
| 07:28.28 | NeoTron | well seems like we finally mostly got the pull down |
| 07:28.29 | tekkub | and the only content of the addons: |
| 07:28.32 | tekkub | if not TEK_WM_WARNED then print("Congratulations, you are using an unauthorized updater to acquire Tekkub's addons. Please visit tekkub.net, wowinterface.com or curse.com for official versions of my addons.") TEK_WM_WARNED = true end |
| 07:28.36 | Wobin | You should, however, have the addon prefixed to your warning |
| 07:28.53 | Wobin | and have it repeat for each addon |
| 07:28.53 | Wobin | so they realise how many of your addons they use =P |
| 07:28.57 | tekkub | lol |
| 07:29.08 | tekkub | nah, I don't want to be both a dick and evil |
| 07:29.20 | tekkub | just being evil is good enough |
| 07:29.39 | tekkub | I can play cat and mouse with them for a while, then when I've had my fun just disable downloads on github |
| 07:29.43 | Fisker- | So tune in for the UI & Macros forum for some drama then |
| 07:29.45 | End | so, are they scraping tekkub.net or something? |
| 07:29.53 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: you arent delaying that at all are you? |
| 07:29.58 | tekkub | no, github downloads sections for my addons |
| 07:30.02 | End | aahhhh |
| 07:30.05 | tekkub | delaying what? |
| 07:30.23 | Arrowmaster | the message |
| 07:30.33 | tekkub | nah, but it'll only print once per session |
| 07:30.42 | Arrowmaster | if somebody is using chatter it might get hidden |
| 07:30.50 | Arrowmaster | or other addons that mess with the chat frame |
| 07:30.53 | tekkub | then they'll bitch about my addons not working |
| 07:31.09 | tekkub | oh, hey, this might blow away their savedvars for my addons too |
| 07:31.14 | tekkub | unplanned feature! |
| 07:31.21 | Wobin | heheh |
| 07:31.26 | Wobin | It shouldn't |
| 07:31.32 | tekkub | sure it will |
| 07:31.46 | tekkub | loads up with no savedvar field in toc, so they don't get saved at end of session |
| 07:32.03 | Wobin | aye, but the sv file will still be there |
| 07:32.08 | Wobin | when they load up the proper versions |
| 07:32.13 | Wobin | it won't delete the sv file |
| 07:32.20 | Wobin | (cause it doesn't know the name) |
| 07:32.29 | End | how doesn't it kow the name? |
| 07:32.36 | End | The SV file name is the AddOn name |
| 07:32.55 | Wobin | oh, good point |
| 07:32.59 | Wobin | I was thinking of the variable name |
| 07:33.02 | End | although, I think you are right |
| 07:33.06 | End | it probably won't touch it |
| 07:33.11 | End | because there's nothing to write |
| 07:33.14 | tekkub | the SV will load the first time the player logs in |
| 07:33.18 | Wobin | I do know that I have SV files from old addons |
| 07:33.20 | End | no variables, so why bother writing the file? |
| 07:33.22 | tekkub | but nothing will save out at the end of the session |
| 07:34.00 | tekkub | hrm.. does it write if the SV field is missing? that I don't know |
| 07:34.09 | tekkub | either way, I won't feel sorry for them |
| 07:34.21 | End | I don't know either, so I'm guessing it might not |
| 07:34.31 | End | but /shrug |
| 07:35.26 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh btw |
| 07:35.32 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 07:35.36 | Fisker- | how do i get stuff back i hid with ninjapanel? |
| 07:35.43 | Fisker- | blargh |
| 07:35.45 | Torhal | End: The file name is the same as the addon, but the information inside is the global variable specified as the SV |
| 07:35.45 | Wobin | Fisker-: options |
| 07:35.49 | jnwhiteh | re-check them in the config dialog? |
| 07:35.53 | tekkub | you don't, it's gone forever |
| 07:35.55 | Torhal | s/variable/variables |
| 07:36.04 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh they just toally disappear here |
| 07:36.08 | Fisker- | just gonna check again |
| 07:36.11 | jnwhiteh | they should not |
| 07:36.18 | tekkub | oh right, global savedvars will be blown away |
| 07:36.31 | tekkub | no wait |
| 07:36.32 | End | Torhal: yes, I know that, but if the the SV field isn't included, would it bother to write anything? |
| 07:36.35 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 07:36.35 | tekkub | gah overthinking! |
| 07:36.37 | jnwhiteh | so they do |
| 07:36.40 | jnwhiteh | bizarre |
| 07:36.40 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 07:36.42 | jnwhiteh | and i'll fix it |
| 07:36.45 | End | I don't think it would |
| 07:36.47 | Wobin | tekkub: I could try? =) |
| 07:36.59 | Wobin | I'll just run it in ptr |
| 07:37.00 | tekkub | if you want, I don't care either way :) |
| 07:37.02 | End | so your old file would be untouched |
| 07:37.09 | Wobin | although, what addons do you have that have sv stuff? |
| 07:37.35 | tekkub | TG, Kennel... anything with an option panel |
| 07:37.47 | Wobin | k, I have TG installed but not WM updated |
| 07:38.08 | Wobin | now to see if the ptr is up |
| 07:38.09 | Hjalte | It would suck to get TG saved variables erased. |
| 07:38.23 | Hjalte | But it also sucks to use wowmatrix. Muhaha. |
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| 07:38.42 | Wobin | alas not |
| 07:38.45 | End | I've had it crash mid SV write before |
| 07:38.55 | End | wipe out an AddOn's settings |
| 07:39.01 | End | it...uh..might have been my fault |
| 07:39.03 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: you use SVN or packaged releases? |
| 07:39.09 | jnwhiteh | i'll push immediately if its the latter |
| 07:39.11 | jnwhiteh | but just commited the fix |
| 07:39.15 | End | I might have...uh..been touching the global enviroment's metatable |
| 07:39.28 | Wobin | End: was it .. a bad touch? |
| 07:39.35 | End | slightly |
| 07:39.35 | Wobin | Show me on the doll |
| 07:39.49 | End | this was pre-taint though, I think |
| 07:39.59 | End | actually, no, I think this was introduced taint |
| 07:40.02 | End | when they* |
| 07:40.19 | End | it was really broken, and then it broke even more |
| 07:41.01 | Fisker- | packaged releases jnwhiteh |
| 07:41.05 | Elly | Show me on the doll where the debugger touched you... |
| 07:41.32 | tekkub | s/doll/stack trace/ |
| 07:41.47 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: updated, sorry bout that! |
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| 07:42.09 | Fisker- | np |
| 07:42.26 | Fisker- | man server is acting weird already |
| 07:42.28 | Fisker- | can't loot :E |
| 07:42.34 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 07:42.36 | Fisker- | but i'm not lootbugged it appears |
| 07:42.54 | Fisker- | i'm not stuck in the loot animation |
| 07:42.58 | Fisker- | there's just no loot going on |
| 07:43.20 | bleeter | Fisker-: just came up? prolly everyone logging in and hammering item link ID lookups to repopulate their local caches |
| 07:43.24 | bleeter | amongst the usual startup bugs |
| 07:43.29 | Fisker- | ah |
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| 07:43.46 | Fisker- | seems likely |
| 07:43.59 | Fisker- | when i took the fishing daily the bag was stuck at retrieving item information |
| 07:44.10 | bleeter | yup thaqt';s it |
| 07:44.13 | bleeter | lookup lags |
| 07:44.18 | Elly | I've gotten that for a couple of items |
| 07:44.35 | zenzio | the fishing daily from Dalaran is supposed to be random, right? |
| 07:44.38 | Fisker- | yep |
| 07:45.01 | zenzio | the last four days it was the same one on my realm. Reminds me a lot of the cooking dailies :-p |
| 07:45.22 | Wobin | hehe |
| 07:45.23 | bleeter | usually what I do after realm comes up.. remove my cache, login, disable addons, each toon rock up to bank and open all bags. thus populating my cache for all toons, without extra addon overhead. after that, I then login toons to actually go play. |
| 07:45.24 | Fisker- | random is random :P |
| 07:45.28 | Wobin | yeah, same on my server Zenz |
| 07:45.34 | Fisker- | Blizzard manually clear your cache now |
| 07:45.36 | Wobin | only last night was it a different one to ghostfish |
| 07:45.43 | bleeter | zenzio: we had H AN daily on my realm something like 5 times in a row recently |
| 07:45.57 | bleeter | Fisker-: you trust blizz code to properly remove a directory??? :P |
| 07:45.58 | Fisker- | or automatically would be a better word :P |
| 07:46.09 | Fisker- | seems to work alright |
| 07:46.11 | zenzio | bleeter: hehe, ouch |
| 07:46.20 | Wobin | H AN is terrible =P |
| 07:46.29 | Wobin | that goddamn fixate =P |
| 07:46.50 | Fisker- | wintergrasp fishing daily is lame |
| 07:46.59 | zenzio | bleeter: at the start of BC, one of the two Karazhan groups in my guild had Little Red Riding Hood eight or so weeks in a row |
| 07:47.08 | kd3 | that^ |
| 07:47.09 | Fisker- | gotta ride all the way back to the keep on ground mounts |
| 07:47.11 | kd3 | happened to my group |
| 07:47.24 | bleeter | you'd think they'd put in some 'anti-toorandom' tool |
| 07:47.27 | kd3 | we all started reciting the play the instant we walked in the door |
| 07:47.33 | Zhinjio | 30110 now? |
| 07:47.34 | tekkub | SEFFY ROF! |
| 07:47.35 | Zhinjio | I assume? |
| 07:47.39 | kd3 | Zhinjio, no. 30100 |
| 07:47.40 | Fisker- | doubt it |
| 07:47.41 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 07:47.41 | tekkub | damnit, second time it's played this song tonight |
| 07:47.44 | kd3 | there we no UI changes this build |
| 07:47.49 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 07:47.51 | tekkub | or WHERE THERE |
| 07:47.55 | Fisker- | They just reset the out of date addons thing every time |
| 07:47.59 | Fisker- | which is annoying |
| 07:48.03 | bleeter | kd3: that reminds me... |
| 07:48.04 | tekkub | that they do |
| 07:48.07 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: same but it was R+J |
| 07:48.28 | bleeter | kd3: bah, was gunna ask zoot about animation stuff. his sticky indicated there were some odd behaviours they wanted to iron out... was wondering if they had :( |
| 07:48.39 | Wobin | Fisker-: alliance or horde? |
| 07:48.43 | Wobin | actually it doesn't matter |
| 07:48.44 | Fisker- | horde |
| 07:48.51 | Wobin | that fp near the wrathgate? |
| 07:48.59 | Fisker- | what about it? |
| 07:49.03 | Wobin | You can hop over the edge into WG |
| 07:49.07 | Wobin | there's a lake right there |
| 07:49.14 | Wobin | and you can remount up as well |
| 07:49.20 | Fisker- | oh |
| 07:49.21 | Wobin | cause there's an edge that's technically DB |
| 07:49.37 | Fisker- | well then i know that :D |
| 07:49.46 | zenzio | "Supreme Court Declines Jack Thompson Appeal" -- what do you know, there is justice in the world after all |
| 07:49.54 | Wobin | zenzio: hehe =) |
| 07:50.12 | Wobin | with prejudice? =) |
| 07:50.13 | bleeter | Wobin: don't you just wish that US lawyer had a different name? |
| 07:50.22 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 07:50.28 | kd3 | good news for a change |
| 07:50.36 | Wobin | bleeter: yeah, it always brings up mental images of how I -think- he looks like =P |
| 07:50.40 | bleeter | Wobin: I mean, the real Jack Thompson's a freaken legend... |
| 07:51.05 | bleeter | Wobin: gave up promising Hollywood career to have a polygamist relationship and still managed to star in movies? WHAT A MAN! |
| 07:51.14 | Wobin | hehehe =) |
| 07:51.24 | Fisker- | ah stupid fucking dailies :( |
| 07:51.31 | bleeter | no wonder we gave him the Australia Medal... hahaha |
| 07:51.34 | Fisker- | Every time it's the fucking broken glass pieces |
| 07:51.56 | Wobin | Fisker-: someone here got the Tiffy Fishing Pole =\ |
| 07:51.57 | Fisker- | Of all the dailies i've done since the daily begun the most i ever got was 5 solid gold pieces |
| 07:51.58 | Fisker- | gg |
| 07:52.00 | Wobin | er Tiffany |
| 07:52.27 | Zhinjio | I got one of the purple gems, sold it for 800g |
| 07:52.29 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 07:52.30 | Wobin | I got the "Sealed Poison" on my first fishing daily |
| 07:52.35 | Fisker- | oh yeah |
| 07:52.37 | Fisker- | i got that as well |
| 07:52.38 | Wobin | that's a quick 13g |
| 07:52.39 | Fisker- | forgot that |
| 07:53.05 | Fisker- | lol |
| 07:53.14 | Fisker- | someone thinks you can only be champion of one faction at a time |
| 07:53.41 | Wobin | I've not made champion yet... do you just do the quests for each race? |
| 07:53.54 | kd3 | sigh. I guess I need to make the font hot pink or something on the wiki |
| 07:54.02 | Fisker- | you just start over |
| 07:54.13 | kd3 | even though I've got the same boilerplate for all of the quests to restart valiant |
| 07:55.11 | Jamash | speaking of fishing quests, it shouldn't take this long to get a stupid corroded jewelry |
| 07:56.29 | Wobin | Fisker-: hm, does starting over with a single faction cover the 'daily' for that quest for that day? |
| 07:56.44 | Wobin | Or can you do multiple dailies for different factions every day? |
| 07:56.49 | zenzio | Jamash: it's high quality jewelry, doesn't corrode easily! |
| 07:56.58 | kd3 | you'll only have one faction at valiant stage at a time |
| 07:57.11 | Wobin | but multiple champions |
| 07:57.13 | kd3 | switching from one faction to the next you'll only get to do the weapon quest again |
| 07:57.26 | kd3 | there's only one set of champion quests, no matter how many times you finish the valiant stage |
| 07:57.56 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Argent_Tournament#Quests |
| 07:58.00 | Wobin | ... more rolling restarts? |
| 07:58.12 | Wobin | kd3: ta =) |
| 07:58.16 | kd3 | players will do step six 5 times |
| 07:58.23 | kd3 | rather, 6 and 7 |
| 08:01.31 | Fisker- | so what does that mean kd3 ? |
| 08:01.53 | Fisker- | oh |
| 08:01.57 | Fisker- | that you don't have to do aspirant? |
| 08:02.10 | kd3 | ya |
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| 08:04.05 | Hjalte | Anyone else logged in on EU realms getting disconnected all the time? |
| 08:04.21 | Jamash | if I get one more goddamn sewer carp... |
| 08:04.33 | tekkub | sewer crap |
| 08:04.52 | Jamash | well, that was it |
| 08:04.55 | Jamash | I got one more |
| 08:05.03 | Jamash | I'm going to go insane and murder someone |
| 08:05.09 | dolseni | oh oh oh |
| 08:05.11 | dolseni | raises hand |
| 08:05.25 | Jamash | murders dolseni in an unimaginably violent way. |
| 08:05.30 | dolseni | wheeeee |
| 08:05.32 | Fisker- | works fine here Hjalte |
| 08:05.34 | Jamash | There, now I feel better. |
| 08:05.40 | Fisker- | but it may be related to the cache being purged |
| 08:05.46 | Fisker- | did you also disconnect a lot with 3.1? |
| 08:05.51 | Fisker- | or any new patch in general? |
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| 08:06.30 | Mikk | Hjalte: What network card do you have? Realtek chip? If so, that's your problem right there. |
| 08:06.45 | tekkub | STOP PINGING ME |
| 08:07.01 | kd3 | realtek! |
| 08:07.02 | Mikk | Turning off checksum offloading (TCP & IP) in the driver settings _might_ help |
| 08:07.13 | Mikk | But I'd just get something else personally. Intel is good. |
| 08:07.20 | Hjalte | I've been fine untill logging in today. Fisker-, it seems that if I mouseover all my bag items, I disconnect. |
| 08:07.30 | kd3 | yup, your cache got purged |
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| 08:07.49 | Fisker- | i'd follow tekkub's advice |
| 08:08.02 | Mikk | what, to stop pinging him? =P |
| 08:08.10 | Fisker- | http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=19465 |
| 08:08.23 | Fisker- | to take a look at the network adapter's settings |
| 08:08.41 | Fisker- | usually caused by the massive amount of data being transferred due to the purged cache |
| 08:09.41 | Hjalte | Mikk: I am using a realtek something Network Adapter it seems. |
| 08:09.54 | Mikk | Grats. Buy Intel. |
| 08:10.10 | Mikk | Yes, I'm aware it worked before, but that's just because they like being allergic to certain bit patterns. |
| 08:10.15 | Fisker- | i'm gonna buy a killer xeno! |
| 08:10.17 | Mikk | I think it's because they don't test their RAM enough |
| 08:10.24 | Mikk | (The FIFOs in the chips) |
| 08:10.24 | zenzio | I've had no issues with the onboard Realtek-based network adapters on my last three or more motherboards |
| 08:10.37 | Fisker- | What other network card comes with a BLING bar? |
| 08:10.56 | Fisker- | I think it's rather the feature of the checksum offloading than the chipset itself |
| 08:11.08 | Mikk | Well, I work with this shit, and if there's a faulty network card that refuses to e.g. receive a certain file, or spews broken packets (they like shifting everything 2 steps right for some reason?) it's ALWAYS a Realtek card. |
| 08:12.09 | durcyn | if it's not an e1000, it's probably crap |
| 08:12.17 | zenzio | literally a card, or also onboard chips? I'm just curious, been ages since I used an actual card |
| 08:12.36 | Fisker- | Killer Xeno!1 |
| 08:12.37 | kd3 | <3s his 2 e1000s |
| 08:12.38 | Fisker- | BLING BAR! |
| 08:12.53 | Mikk | zenzio: the chip. not necessarily a card. |
| 08:13.39 | durcyn | that said, the r8169 isn't the worst thing out there, marvell yukons somehow manage to be worse :/ |
| 08:14.08 | Fisker- | i had a 3com from like 98 |
| 08:14.14 | Fisker- | but i lost it at some point |
| 08:14.17 | Fisker- | but it was AWESOME |
| 08:15.06 | Hjalte | When updating drivers for the network adapter, do I need to uninstall old ones first? |
| 08:15.10 | Mikk | i have 3c905bs. a whole pile of them. |
| 08:15.18 | Mikk | if i ever have a problem, i pop in the 3c905b, problem gone |
| 08:15.26 | Mikk | Hjalte: no. but that's not gonna help ^^ |
| 08:15.44 | zenzio | hm, I think one of my home computers actually have an onboard Marvell Yukon |
| 08:15.56 | Fisker- | Yeah mine was a 3c905 |
| 08:16.06 | Mikk | yeah my previous comp had a yukon that liked freezing up too |
| 08:16.17 | Mikk | but we do yukons in our units at work and they work fine |
| 08:16.23 | Mikk | so i think it's a fucked up driver problem |
| 08:16.28 | Mikk | (we write our own drivers ^^) |
| 08:16.30 | durcyn | eh, the 2.6 linux drivers are garbage |
| 08:16.36 | durcyn | i see. |
| 08:16.43 | zenzio | Mikk: really? What does your workpalce do? |
| 08:16.53 | Mikk | network security boxes |
| 08:17.02 | Mikk | and i won't get more specific :P |
| 08:17.08 | zenzio | hehe |
| 08:17.16 | Arrowmaster | can i have a job? |
| 08:17.27 | Jamash | OMG I finally got the damn jewelry |
| 08:17.47 | zenzio | now he'll expect sex |
| 08:18.09 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: possibly, if you're cool with moving to northern sweden, and rock at C / C++, preferably with an understanding of assembly :P |
| 08:18.28 | Mikk | pardon the "cool" pun |
| 08:18.30 | zenzio | ew... |
| 08:18.32 | Shirik | Nuckin: FYI, I've posted a pre-release version of the API should you decide you want to write any modules |
| 08:18.32 | zenzio | Sweden ;) |
| 08:18.36 | Shirik | And for anyone else as well |
| 08:18.41 | Arrowmaster | sorry i dont do C / C++ or assembly =( |
| 08:18.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22673 MMOUI Minion API and Documentation |
| 08:19.00 | Wobin | argh |
| 08:19.02 | Wobin | IRT |
| 08:19.04 | Mikk | yeah well Lua kinda doesnt cut it for packet inspection at a rate of several million per second :P |
| 08:19.06 | Wobin | Or Ravenous Dead? |
| 08:19.16 | zenzio | Cairenn: I never suspected you considered us minions |
| 08:19.23 | Cairenn | we don't |
| 08:19.31 | Cairenn | we consider our new updater a minion |
| 08:19.42 | kd3 | no, no... we're just slave labor. >.> |
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| 08:19.54 | zenzio | Cairenn: I also never knew you shied away from jokes |
| 08:20.14 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 08:20.24 | Cairenn | hugs zenzio and kd3 |
| 08:20.28 | zenzio | \o/ |
| 08:21.08 | Jamash | do minions get paid? if so, sign me up for minionhood |
| 08:21.40 | kd3 | reiterates his slave labor comment |
| 08:21.46 | kd3 | and what the hell, it's 4:30? |
| 08:21.51 | kd3 | why am I still up? |
| 08:22.12 | Shirik | because you wanted to see the API |
| 08:23.51 | batrick | hi Shirik |
| 08:23.56 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 08:24.37 | batrick | chess?! |
| 08:24.46 | Shirik | it's 4:30! |
| 08:24.47 | Shirik | too late |
| 08:24.54 | batrick | =( |
| 08:24.55 | Jamash | will the minion use signed modules? |
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| 08:29.45 | Shirik | worthless brighthouse... |
| 08:29.47 | Shirik | Anyway, you're getting into something I haven't implemented yet |
| 08:29.49 | Shirik | There will be a security manager installed |
| 08:30.23 | batrick | shirik u know we could play a 5 & 5 game |
| 08:30.26 | Shirik | Unsigned modules will be extremely restricted on what they do, and will prompt the user for access to a folder before they get it, etc. |
| 08:30.32 | batrick | (5 minutes each) |
| 08:30.39 | Shirik | Though the access will persist forever once it's granted |
| 08:30.49 | Shirik | For signed modules, I haven't quite decided what to do |
| 08:31.20 | Shirik | Either I'll let in all signed modules without restriction, or I'll create two classes of signed modules: Signed by MMOUI which will be unrestricted, and signed by others which will be restricted as if unsigned |
| 08:32.48 | Shirik | New question: What is the preferred way to make XML schemas? |
| 08:32.51 | Shirik | DTDs? |
| 08:33.10 | batrick | g8 |
| 08:33.14 | batrick | h8** |
| 08:34.33 | Shirik | Reason I ask is because I understood it to be DTDs |
| 08:34.46 | Shirik | but I create a new file in Netbeans and go to XML file tyeps |
| 08:34.52 | Shirik | and I see two options: XML Schema and DTD |
| 08:34.57 | jnwhiteh | XML Schema is my preference |
| 08:34.59 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like "... what's the difference?" |
| 08:35.00 | jnwhiteh | that's what WoW uses |
| 08:35.01 | jnwhiteh | btu that's just me |
| 08:35.04 | Jamash | blizzard uses XML Schema, and that's the sum total of my knowledge |
| 08:35.18 | Shirik | Isn't DTD an XML schema language? |
| 08:35.30 | jnwhiteh | look at the decl at the top of both |
| 08:35.31 | jnwhiteh | they're different |
| 08:35.35 | jnwhiteh | use different standards, etc. |
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| 08:35.39 | Jamash | the difference is that DTDs are a SGML thing and XML Schemas are actually in XML |
| 08:35.41 | Shirik | Honestly, I don't know either way of doing it so :P |
| 08:35.44 | jnwhiteh | XML Schema is a standard of defining schemas in XML |
| 08:35.49 | jnwhiteh | use XML Schema |
| 08:36.23 | Shirik | ok it's asking me for a "target namespace"? |
| 08:36.33 | jnwhiteh | you have to define your namespace |
| 08:36.57 | jnwhiteh | http://minion.mmoui.com/some/identifier/ |
| 08:37.01 | jnwhiteh | something like that |
| 08:37.07 | jnwhiteh | <!-- edited with XMLSpy v2005 sp2 U (http://www.altova.com) by Sam Lantinga (Blizzard Entertainment) --> |
| 08:37.08 | jnwhiteh | <xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns="http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/" xmlns:ui="http: |
| 08:37.10 | jnwhiteh | //www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/" targetNamespace="http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/" elementFormDefault="qualified" a |
| 08:37.13 | jnwhiteh | ttributeFormDefault="unqualified"> |
| 08:38.12 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 08:38.19 | Shirik | this isn't even in source |
| 08:38.21 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: .xsd |
| 08:38.25 | Shirik | maybe this will be easier than I thought |
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| 08:38.34 | Shirik | apparently netbeans has a fairly graphical xsd editor |
| 08:39.02 | Jamash | cool |
| 08:39.27 | Shirik | yeah this is really cool :) |
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| 08:49.08 | Hjalte | Fisker-: It seems the guide you linked helped. Unfortunately the driver update made the properties of my network adapter appear in danish, which made some of the things kinds of hard to translate. |
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| 10:19.29 | airtonix | i'm still working out how to prevent those indicators(missing priest buffs) from showing on enemy targets |
| 10:20.06 | jnwhiteh | I may just make my squareunitframes real |
| 10:20.11 | jnwhiteh | extending on what i wrote for the book |
| 10:20.11 | jnwhiteh | he |
| 10:20.12 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 10:21.52 | airtonix | the hardest part about creating group layouts with ouf is that you actually need players in a group to debug the code |
| 10:22.17 | amro | NinjaInvite |
| 10:22.18 | airtonix | i've had to resort to creating those free trial accounts |
| 10:22.31 | airtonix | i need a person in a roup for hours at a time |
| 10:22.39 | Arrowmaster | just do it in AV or wintergrasp |
| 10:22.40 | airtonix | group* |
| 10:22.44 | airtonix | not enough |
| 10:22.51 | Arrowmaster | ok are you in a guild? |
| 10:22.54 | airtonix | sometimes i need a party |
| 10:23.17 | airtonix | and sometimes i need someone in the party to do exactly as i want 15times over in various ways |
| 10:23.27 | Arrowmaster | picky |
| 10:23.40 | airtonix | too many people either have no paitence and/or have a.d.d |
| 10:27.21 | jnwhiteh | have someone join a raid |
| 10:27.24 | jnwhiteh | then log off |
| 10:27.27 | jnwhiteh | viola! |
| 10:27.29 | jnwhiteh | group |
| 10:28.03 | airtonix | on an alt? |
| 10:28.11 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't matter in the least |
| 10:28.15 | jnwhiteh | raids aren't disbanded when someone leavs |
| 10:28.23 | jnwhiteh | make a raid have someone join then they can log off |
| 10:28.26 | jnwhiteh | problem solved! |
| 10:28.35 | jnwhiteh | we had a raid for 2.5 years on the US dev realm Draka |
| 10:28.43 | jnwhiteh | still might be there |
| 10:28.49 | Fisker- | dev realm? :o |
| 10:28.55 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:29.01 | jnwhiteh | there was a horde/alliance guild on Draka |
| 10:29.03 | jnwhiteh | for UI devs |
| 10:29.07 | Fisker- | oh |
| 10:29.22 | airtonix | good idea, but it means i can't test out frame functions on other units than myself that result from combat |
| 10:29.26 | Arrowmaster | rofl, raid of offlines? |
| 10:29.34 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 10:29.36 | jnwhiteh | worked great |
| 10:29.51 | jnwhiteh | alright guys |
| 10:29.54 | Arrowmaster | i cant believe it stayed for 2.5 years |
| 10:30.02 | jnwhiteh | so I need a (relatively) simple but useful library as an example for the book |
| 10:30.05 | jnwhiteh | any ideas? |
| 10:30.13 | airtonix | libstub lol |
| 10:30.14 | Arrowmaster | callbackhandler-1.0 |
| 10:30.26 | airtonix | jk |
| 10:30.27 | jnwhiteh | libstub is already covered, its not a library |
| 10:30.32 | jnwhiteh | and CBH isn't useful |
| 10:30.34 | jnwhiteh | unless you're writing libs :P |
| 10:30.41 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 10:30.43 | jnwhiteh | which is a bit of defining a word by using the word :P |
| 10:30.47 | airtonix | how bout libBanzai? |
| 10:30.51 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: its not in this case |
| 10:30.56 | amro | sea! /hide |
| 10:31.03 | airtonix | proly not a good one since its not 100% |
| 10:32.16 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: what exactly are you wanting to cover with this lib? |
| 10:32.23 | jnwhiteh | how to use it |
| 10:32.35 | airtonix | ooo |
| 10:32.37 | airtonix | sharedMedia |
| 10:32.42 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 10:32.42 | airtonix | easy? |
| 10:32.56 | Arrowmaster | sharedmedia is kinda complex |
| 10:33.00 | airtonix | ok |
| 10:33.30 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: ldb? |
| 10:33.30 | airtonix | none of the aceconfig type libs then? |
| 10:33.41 | airtonix | yeah ldb is simple |
| 10:33.46 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: tough to show HOW it works without having a display addon |
| 10:33.48 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 10:33.50 | jnwhiteh | maybe i don't show |
| 10:33.57 | jnwhiteh | I just point to come of the better ones |
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| 10:34.06 | jnwhiteh | this is just an appendix anyway |
| 10:34.29 | Arrowmaster | babble? |
| 10:34.54 | airtonix | libDbIcon? |
| 10:35.16 | jnwhiteh | *stab* libdbicon |
| 10:35.19 | airtonix | bit related to ldb though |
| 10:35.27 | airtonix | heh |
| 10:35.29 | jnwhiteh | should never have been written |
| 10:35.43 | jnwhiteh | SCREW THE MINIMAP BUTTON YOU DOUCHE! |
| 10:35.48 | airtonix | yeah minimap buttons are evil |
| 10:35.54 | jnwhiteh | seriously |
| 10:35.57 | jnwhiteh | WHY the hell was it written =( |
| 10:36.09 | jnwhiteh | an LDB feed should not be providing a specific display like that |
| 10:36.13 | jnwhiteh | that's the whole damn point |
| 10:36.15 | airtonix | same reason people qq about double-em |
| 10:36.16 | jnwhiteh | display agnostic. |
| 10:36.23 | airtonix | doubleU-em |
| 10:37.43 | airtonix | is there a display that takes ldb's and makes them into minimap buttons? |
| 10:37.54 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:40.26 | airtonix | oh joy, can't log out while ona taxi to get off at the nextstop |
| 10:40.47 | jnwhiteh | alt-f4 |
| 10:40.50 | jnwhiteh | problem solved! |
| 10:40.54 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:40.57 | jnwhiteh | unless they fixed that you mean |
| 10:41.04 | airtonix | alt-f4 not set to terminate app on linux |
| 10:41.13 | airtonix | at least not on my desktop |
| 10:41.23 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 10:41.28 | airtonix | lulz |
| 10:41.54 | airtonix | no i dont want to log out of my current desktop session |
| 10:42.19 | airtonix | but of you use game menu -> exit |
| 10:42.26 | airtonix | if* |
| 10:42.28 | airtonix | or logout |
| 10:42.49 | airtonix | and log back in, it used to drop you off at next taxi stop in the chain |
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| 10:44.32 | airtonix | uhoh |
| 10:44.52 | amro | in line with making the game easier in wotlk, they nerfed that. |
| 10:44.54 | amro | go figure |
| 10:46.40 | airtonix | ohh look, wintertime is now obsolete |
| 10:46.53 | airtonix | its included by default in the game map of wintergraspe |
| 10:47.17 | amro | and it doesn't work if you're not in northrend |
| 10:47.22 | airtonix | but nubs in trade will still spam it up "whens next wg?" |
| 10:47.28 | airtonix | ugh |
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| 10:49.29 | dolseni | yeah, i dislike how it doesn't tell you if you aren't in WG |
| 10:49.37 | dolseni | i often level an alt and then just hop on my main to do wg |
| 10:49.43 | dolseni | aren't in northrend* |
| 10:52.42 | dolseni | bah, i hate how all the plugins for a certain addon aren't on the same site |
| 10:57.44 | airtonix | i hear a train coming |
| 10:57.48 | airtonix | chug chug... |
| 10:57.56 | dolseni | /train |
| 10:58.16 | airtonix | reminds me, must go buy a train smasher |
| 10:58.23 | dolseni | hah |
| 10:58.38 | dolseni | i dont want to have yet another thing taking up inventory space |
| 11:02.21 | Aelobin | is it just me or have names got smaller above heads? |
| 11:05.18 | ReAn | just you |
| 11:05.29 | amro | they got bigger in 3.1, not sure about the minor patch |
| 11:06.46 | Aelobin | any idea what that DK talent is that stops obliterate using the diseases? |
| 11:06.50 | Aelobin | cant seem to find it <_> |
| 11:06.52 | amro | Annihilation |
| 11:07.03 | amro | frost, somewhere around t3-4 |
| 11:07.32 | dolseni | hey airtonix i have a question for you |
| 11:07.50 | dolseni | since you said you use ouf_smee |
| 11:07.53 | Aelobin | ah yeh ty |
| 11:08.09 | dolseni | am i missing something or can you not change the color of the health bar? |
| 11:08.21 | dolseni | sure you can change the background, but i can't figure out how to change the color |
| 11:08.57 | airtonix | hardcoded |
| 11:08.58 | Aelobin | still cant decide between unholy and blood for pvp <_> |
| 11:08.59 | airtonix | for now |
| 11:09.19 | dolseni | meh |
| 11:09.23 | airtonix | file it as a feature request so i dont forget |
| 11:09.35 | dolseni | oh you're the author of it |
| 11:10.31 | dolseni | To submit a feature request you must have an account with this site |
| 11:10.32 | dolseni | bah |
| 11:10.38 | dolseni | i hate having accounts at places |
| 11:11.22 | airtonix | doesnt phase me since i use a keyring manager to remember all that stuff for me |
| 11:11.56 | airtonix | ooo freshmeat got a site design upgrade |
| 11:11.58 | airtonix | http://freshmeat.net/projects/revelation/ |
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| 11:12.14 | amro | Aelobin: frost works well, with a few points in blood for rune tap |
| 11:12.50 | Aelobin | hmm frost hasnt really taken to my liking :P plus i only have 60 talent points due to being 69 :P |
| 11:13.16 | Aelobin | i see blood as good for all the healing/crits, and unholy good for the ghoul/other useful spells |
| 11:13.34 | amro | unholy is a caster killer |
| 11:14.17 | Aelobin | i suspect in 60-69 its gonna mainly be dk vs dk :P |
| 11:16.29 | amro | it's a death grip fest |
| 11:17.15 | Aelobin | aye |
| 11:17.55 | dolseni | bah, if i knew the feature requests were available to be seen by the public, i would have cleaned up the one i made |
| 11:17.59 | Aelobin | i dont like the look of unholy without being able to get annihilation from frost |
| 11:18.09 | Aelobin | otherwise every obliterate i'll have to refresh my diseases |
| 11:18.14 | amro | you don't really need obliterate |
| 11:18.17 | amro | you've got scourge strike |
| 11:19.09 | Aelobin | argh :P |
| 11:19.32 | Aelobin | can't choose :< |
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| 11:20.48 | Aelobin | amro: if you werent gonna go frost for pvp, which would you choose out of blood/unholy? :P |
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| 11:39.03 | Wobin | for pvp? |
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| 11:43.05 | Wobin | personally |
| 11:43.06 | Wobin | blood |
| 11:43.10 | Wobin | cause of mark of blood |
| 11:43.28 | Wobin | esp if you're up against a warlock |
| 11:43.43 | Wobin | Hi! Your DoTs are now HoTs |
| 11:44.48 | Wobin | I mean, you pop that skill on Telestra before she does the WashingMachine |
| 11:44.54 | Wobin | and she'll top up the entire group |
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| 11:51.19 | Aelobin | yeh ive just been trying unholy in pvp |
| 11:51.26 | Aelobin | and tbh theres too much crap to try remember |
| 11:51.50 | Aelobin | "gotta get these diseases on, now gotta attack, now i can pop my gargoyle, oooh need to send pet on" :P |
| 11:51.59 | Aelobin | call me a noob but pvp is meant to be fast paced aint it? :P |
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| 12:15.42 | Ycarene | Is he a maker of rotary engines bleeter? |
| 12:16.03 | Ycarene | Doh, yay for old posts, hehe. |
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| 12:20.23 | Wobin | you can do a lot of good pvp with good pet control |
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| 12:20.25 | Wobin | since it can stun |
| 12:20.28 | Wobin | and leap |
| 12:20.43 | Wobin | You'll probably need to put together a good set of macros |
| 12:20.48 | Wobin | to deal with certain situations |
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| 12:34.19 | Aelobin | is there really any point in increasing total runic power by 30? :P |
| 12:35.34 | alestane | I suspect it's more useful in PvP, convserving more power for a really focused burst of output. |
| 12:35.58 | Maldivia | Aelobin: by 30 - no, by 20, yes |
| 12:36.16 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 12:36.27 | Maldivia | 120 = 3x attacks |
| 12:36.49 | Aelobin | runic weapon = 1sec per 10 runic power with no maximum |
| 12:36.59 | Aelobin | so the maximum is purely based on your runic power |
| 12:37.36 | Aelobin | (130 - initial 40)/10 + 5 :P |
| 12:37.58 | Aelobin | but im wondering if those 3 seconds would really be worth it xD |
| 12:40.25 | Nuckin | morning #wowuidev |
| 12:41.55 | Funkeh` | was the java protection removed? I'm not logged in but not getting java popup to download |
| 12:42.34 | Nuckin | ...? |
| 12:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | Download what? |
| 12:43.20 | Funkeh` | addons? what else can yo download from wowi? |
| 12:44.23 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't realize you were talking about WoWI, that wasn't in your sentence. |
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| 12:44.51 | Lopeppeppy | Some people have had issues with downloading from WoWI since their changes, it's usually browser related. Have you tried a different broswer? |
| 12:45.08 | Funkeh` | ?? |
| 12:45.12 | Funkeh` | I don't have issues dude |
| 12:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie. |
| 12:45.58 | Funkeh` | It was quite simple, previously I needed to load java to download an addon logged out, now I dont |
| 12:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | Probably something that changed with their recent WM-blocking thing. |
| 12:46.44 | Aelobin | my final specc http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=6&tal=23550215330033132312231013010200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 :) |
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| 12:47.36 | Lunessa | station |
| 12:47.43 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 12:47.53 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 12:49.23 | alestane | Lunessa: I think I've updated the droplet twice since I sent it to you, it's on WoWI. Reactions seem favorable so far. |
| 12:51.32 | alestane | Actually, just uploading the second update now. |
| 12:51.57 | Lunessa | alestane: Nice! |
| 12:54.45 | Lunessa | I just grabbed it from e-mail, but I assume that I should get your newer version. |
| 12:55.18 | alestane | The first one has an issue with installing new mods, it had a glitch that errored if there was no previous version of the mod installed. |
| 12:55.50 | Lunessa | Slick icon by the way |
| 12:56.26 | alestane | Just replaced the little tablet bottom in the standard AppleScript icon...Photoshop FTW. |
| 12:59.51 | Aelobin | hmm if i get 1 point of defense, apparently it gives 0.04% parry and 0.04% dodge - any idea if those stack from just the 1 point in defense? |
| 12:59.58 | Aelobin | so i get 0.08% avoidance :P |
| 13:02.04 | Lopeppeppy | As I understand it, yes, but who knows? :) |
| 13:02.33 | Aelobin | ^_^ |
| 13:02.44 | Aelobin | sorry i keep trying to turn this into "help aelo make a dk" channel :P |
| 13:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | Did you check out the EJ forums? They're wicked helpful. |
| 13:03.20 | ZorbaGama | aelobin, yes, along with 0.04% hit reduction and 0.04% crit reduction. |
| 13:03.26 | ZorbaGama | (and 0.04% block which isn't as useful for you obviously.) |
| 13:03.28 | Aelobin | =o |
| 13:03.42 | zenzio | in fact block is entirely useless to you |
| 13:04.11 | alestane | Since DKs CAN'T equip shields? |
| 13:04.21 | Lunessa | Block Value - not so good for DKs or Shaman. |
| 13:04.25 | zenzio | that would be why alestane |
| 13:06.18 | Aelobin | im making a 69 dk twink if you hadnt already guessed :P and i thought "meh may as well get maximum avoidance gear whilst levelling" to see how high i can get it :) |
| 13:06.50 | Aelobin | so making a wowhead weight-scale with formulas for defense rating, dodge rating, parry rating, agility and strength :p |
| 13:07.21 | zenzio | it doesn't matter how logical it is in terms of progression, I still find it amusing that warriors now wield shields with almost as much armor than they had in total before (depending on how far back you look) |
| 13:07.41 | zenzio | -than +as |
| 13:10.37 | ZorbaGama | I believe you'll find that defense_before_crit_cap > dodge > defense_after_crit_cap > parry |
| 13:14.16 | Lunessa | zenzio: When I spec resto on my shaman and use a shield, the shield is more armor value than the rest of his gear combined. |
| 13:14.43 | zenzio | hehe. Is that with mail? |
| 13:19.12 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 13:19.39 | Lunessa | I'm using the emblem-purchased shield for casters. The Armor Value on it is HUGE. |
| 13:19.44 | zenzio | neat :-) Having always been a warrior tank, I'm surprisingly clueless about armor levels for anyone else |
| 13:21.06 | alestane | I want to practice tanking on my warrior and pally, just haven't really had the time. |
| 13:21.15 | Lopeppeppy | Time. What is time? |
| 13:21.30 | alestane | Money? |
| 13:21.44 | zenzio | that's a myth |
| 13:21.59 | Lopeppeppy | I wish it were.... |
| 13:21.59 | zenzio | when did you ever hear scientists speak of the money-space continuum? |
| 13:22.12 | zenzio | or about warping money and space? |
| 13:23.21 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 13:23.50 | Lunessa | Money = Time. Girls/Money = No Time |
| 13:24.12 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 13:24.49 | alestane | I saw a shirt once being sold at a convention that went like this: "Girls = time x money; since time = money -> girls = money ^2; however, money = √all evil, therefore money^2 = evil; therefore, girls = evil." |
| 13:25.10 | zenzio | alestane: http://mewithin.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/evil.jpg |
| 13:25.34 | Lunessa | [WoW(Money/Time)]^2 = No Girl/Life |
| 13:26.03 | Lunessa | alestane: You type faster. |
| 13:28.43 | alestane | Gotta run out for a short meeting. |
| 13:28.58 | zenzio | outdoors meeting? |
| 13:29.11 | alestane | Very nearly |
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| 13:31.36 | Aelobin | Lunessa>Money = Time. Girls/Money = No Time |
| 13:31.44 | Aelobin | and Girls over Time will leave you with no money XD |
| 13:32.03 | Lunessa | That's the corollary , surely. |
| 13:32.24 | Aelobin | no idea what corollary means :P |
| 13:32.26 | Lopeppeppy | Harumph. |
| 13:32.30 | Lunessa | Girls + Liquor over time leaves you with no money, but happy memories. |
| 13:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe no memories, Lunessa, depending on what proportions you imbibe. |
| 13:33.34 | ZorbaGama | liquor over time? man, there's something I could really use more of in raids |
| 13:33.37 | ZorbaGama | HoTs, DoTs, and LoTs |
| 13:33.37 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I try to curb my enthusiasm for for the product of fermentation before that stage. |
| 13:34.02 | Lunessa | ZorbaGama: Do you have the brewers trinket from Westfall? |
| 13:34.10 | ZorbaGama | I don't think so |
| 13:34.27 | Lunessa | It lets you spew fire, and get smashed all at once! |
| 13:34.34 | ZorbaGama | nice :D |
| 13:34.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh gods, it's a riot. Thunderbrew Boot Flask. |
| 13:36.53 | Lunessa | I keep it in inventory, and the beer hat from Hellfire. |
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| 13:37.35 | Nuckin | ok, I may be retarded or too tired this morning |
| 13:37.54 | Lopeppeppy | I keep that, and Essence of Eranikus. |
| 13:38.10 | Lopeppeppy | The essence is great fun for lowbie aoe farming if I'm taking someone through a low level dungeon. |
| 13:38.39 | Nuckin | http://www.pastey.net/112838 |
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| 13:39.41 | Lunessa | I keep it because it's a handy tool and the end of the quest line pisses me off. I'm not turning it in to get NOTHING. |
| 13:40.31 | Nuckin | anyone's caffeinated wisdom for that pastey? |
| 13:40.48 | zenzio | Nuckin: what about it? |
| 13:40.58 | Nuckin | i get nothing |
| 13:41.35 | Nuckin | the function gets called containing those calls, as i get the print() out, but beyond that, nothing |
| 13:41.47 | zenzio | well, does it work to use SetTexture without the path? |
| 13:42.17 | Nuckin | I've tried it with rgb values and still nothing |
| 13:42.34 | Nuckin | bg.tga is in the same directory as the lua/toc/xml |
| 13:43.50 | zenzio | don't know then. Can't test right now :-/ |
| 13:44.31 | Wobin | Lunessa: I agree |
| 13:45.07 | Nuckin | i know its gonna be something really stupid, but I'm hitting a brick wall lol |
| 13:45.18 | Kaelten | g'morning |
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| 13:45.30 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Kaelten! |
| 13:45.34 | Kaelten | heya peppy |
| 13:46.01 | Wobin | Nuckin: are the texture dimension powers of two? |
| 13:46.20 | Nuckin | yup, 128x32 |
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| 13:51.09 | Nuckin | ugh so frustrating |
| 13:52.07 | zenzio | try with the full path ("Interface\\AddOns\\name\\bg") just for the hell of it |
| 13:52.09 | Wobin | Nuckin: try using another texture |
| 13:52.15 | zenzio | though if RGB didn't work either, then it won't help |
| 13:52.45 | Nuckin | I switched it to: bg:SetTexture(1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0); |
| 13:53.08 | Nuckin | still no go |
| 13:54.23 | Nuckin | success! |
| 13:54.25 | Nuckin | lol |
| 13:54.58 | Nuckin | my parent was the Event frame I made, so I was using relative points that didn't exist |
| 13:55.08 | Nuckin | its too early in the damn morning >.< |
| 13:55.14 | Nuckin | ~lart Nuckin |
| 13:55.14 | purl | moos at Nuckin |
| 13:55.18 | Nuckin | aw |
| 13:55.38 | mikma | nuckin: what's the problem |
| 13:56.20 | Nuckin | mikma: I was being stupid with my lua frames because of a lack of caffiene |
| 13:56.34 | mikma | mmm, coffee |
| 13:57.16 | Nuckin | mm, now there's something wrong with my texture, another bear to tackle |
| 14:02.28 | Aelobin | ~purl |
| 14:02.29 | purl | ACTION coughs up a hairball , or a bit funky |
| 14:04.58 | mikma | ~literal purl |
| 14:04.59 | purl | "purl" is "(<action> purrs | <action> coughs up a hairball | <reply> We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated), or a bit funky" |
| 14:05.40 | mikma | purl: no, purl is (<action> purrs | <action> coughs up a hairball | <reply> We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated | a bit funky) |
| 14:05.41 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 14:06.14 | Nuckin | yea you tell him |
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| 14:08.16 | Trela_ | ~purl |
| 14:08.17 | purl | purl is, like, a bit funky |
| 14:09.32 | mikma | purl: no, purl is (<action> purrs | <action> coughs up a hairball | <reply> We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated |a bit funky) |
| 14:09.33 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 14:09.46 | Aelobin | off to solo onyxia again :) tis fun as a huntard |
| 14:10.13 | Lopeppeppy | ~purl |
| 14:10.14 | purl | We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated |
| 14:11.58 | Aelobin | xD |
| 14:14.41 | Trela_ | ~purl What is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything else? |
| 14:14.43 | purl | Trela_: what are you talking about? |
| 14:15.06 | Trela_ | purl: What is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything else? is 42 |
| 14:15.06 | purl | Trela_: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:15.24 | kneeki | Morning all |
| 14:16.12 | Trela_ | ~purl What is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything else? |
| 14:16.14 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Trela_ |
| 14:16.18 | Trela_ | Bah. |
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| 14:18.48 | Aelobin | i think you'd do "what is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything else? is 42" but i doubt that'd work |
| 14:18.54 | Aelobin | because there's an "is" before the real is |
| 14:19.10 | Trela_ | ~purl What |
| 14:19.25 | Trela_ | Maybe I broke purl. :P |
| 14:19.34 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/20/funny-pictures-police-good-day/ |
| 14:19.54 | Aelobin | purl: The meaning of life, the universe, and everything else is 42 |
| 14:19.55 | purl | Aelobin: what are you talking about? |
| 14:19.57 | Aelobin | :< |
| 14:20.08 | Trela_ | ~purl 42 |
| 14:20.09 | purl | it has been said that 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
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| 14:24.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.savagechickens.com/2006/04/chickens-on-moon.html |
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| 14:30.07 | Lunessa | Oh boy, PDA and Smart Phone Support policy - "Oh Hai, Lunessa. Draft this for us, kk?" |
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| 14:34.56 | Arrowmaster | so my power went out |
| 14:35.00 | Arrowmaster | and i was at 9weeks 3days uptime on xp |
| 14:35.55 | Arrowmaster | and my nix box was at 198 days uptime |
| 14:36.03 | Lopeppeppy | oh, Lunessa, I'm so sorry |
| 14:36.08 | Seerah | there goes your record |
| 14:36.30 | Arrowmaster | oh and my server fsck'd itself too |
| 14:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | How could it do that, Arrowmaster? |
| 14:36.45 | Arrowmaster | and found file system errors |
| 14:37.07 | Lunessa | Shutting off the power to a busy drive = badness. |
| 14:37.11 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: nix boxes automatically fsck themselves on boot if it hasnt been run in a long time |
| 14:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, great! |
| 14:37.38 | nevcairiel | default is like 60 days or 30 mounts, iirc |
| 14:37.48 | Arrowmaster | i was over 200 days |
| 14:37.51 | nicoli_s | forgive me nix not knowing, but whats fsck? |
| 14:38.03 | nevcairiel | file system check |
| 14:38.04 | theorbtwo | file system check. |
| 14:38.05 | amro | filesystem check |
| 14:38.05 | Arrowmaster | its like chkdsk |
| 14:38.10 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 14:38.11 | amro | screw you for being faster. |
| 14:38.29 | theorbtwo | Also used, sometimes confusingly, as a synonym for fuck. |
| 14:38.51 | nevcairiel | fsck repairs fucked drives :) |
| 14:38.56 | nevcairiel | or trys to, anyway |
| 14:39.00 | amro | that would explain why it won't go too long without it |
| 14:39.06 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:39.32 | amro | btw Arrowmaster, what kind of errors? |
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| 14:42.27 | Arrowmaster | amro: ones kinda like http://arrowmaster.net/dmesg |
| 14:44.49 | nevcairiel | this sounds alot like hdd broken |
| 14:45.13 | Arrowmaster | i think it is, or the ide controller |
| 14:45.27 | Arrowmaster | ive had to reinstall that computer a few times |
| 14:45.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont really care though |
| 14:48.20 | theorbtwo | That's pretty classic dead hard drive. |
| 14:48.34 | Arrowmaster | it still works |
| 14:50.13 | Arrowmaster | anybody got a powersupply that would fit in an hp pavillion 760n? that one has a good harddrive and ide controller |
| 14:50.17 | nicoli_s | then it must bea zombie hard drive |
| 14:50.17 | Arrowmaster | just wont turn on |
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| 14:58.22 | Arrowmaster | ha the sneaky little bastards updated wowmatrix again, not finding as much code now with memory debugger |
| 14:59.14 | nicoli_s | you think they are actively trying to sotp people from dissassembling now? |
| 15:01.10 | Arrowmaster | lol i found php code in it |
| 15:01.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: it has all sorts of fun stuff |
| 15:01.47 | Arrowmaster | THE USERAGENTS TABLE! |
| 15:02.00 | nicoli_s | someone was telling me that theres like a huge switch statement that switches on alot of individual addons |
| 15:02.07 | Arrowmaster | there is |
| 15:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The entire application, from what I saw |
| 15:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Is a hack job |
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| 15:02.51 | nevcairiel | nicoli_s: indeed, thats in there |
| 15:03.14 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 15:04.45 | Arrowmaster | i think they might have actually tried to clean it up some |
| 15:05.06 | Arrowmaster | i just found the stuff that used to be in a giant case statement for the donator info now in a table |
| 15:06.50 | Arrowmaster | oh hey whats this |
| 15:06.52 | Arrowmaster | C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\Acreon\WowMatrix |
| 15:08.07 | AckisWork | that's a path |
| 15:09.26 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Captain Obvious. *poke* |
| 15:10.20 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: yeah, I was wondering where they kept settings stored |
| 15:10.28 | Wobin | and used procmon to find that directory earlier |
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| 15:10.42 | Arrowmaster | i found it in a memory dump |
| 15:10.48 | Wobin | There -had- to be info stored somewhere |
| 15:11.06 | Wobin | else it wouldn't be able to figure out where the install dir for WoW was each time it was run |
| 15:11.12 | AckisWork | pokes Lopeppeppy back :D |
| 15:11.26 | Wobin | and also hahah, at people who believed it was entirely a standalone program with nothing aside from it =P |
| 15:11.27 | nevcairiel | Wobin: registry :P |
| 15:11.38 | mikma | http://github.com/tekkub/tekticles/tree/666 |
| 15:11.39 | Wobin | nevcairiel: not that much in the registry that I found |
| 15:11.45 | mikma | hot. burning hot. |
| 15:11.46 | Wobin | of course, I wasn't looking for Acreon |
| 15:11.48 | nevcairiel | but yeah, it even downloads stuff on start |
| 15:11.54 | nevcairiel | has to store the stuff somewhere |
| 15:11.55 | mikma | hotter than australia! /poke wobin |
| 15:12.55 | Lunessa | mikma: Hah, that's hawt. |
| 15:13.31 | Arrowmaster | if tAddonVars["Filename"] = "kgPanelsConfig" then |
| 15:13.31 | Arrowmaster | if tAddonVars["Version"] = "v1.02" then |
| 15:13.32 | Arrowmaster | createOutdatedAddOn "kgPanels" |
| 15:13.32 | Arrowmaster | end if |
| 15:13.49 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:13.50 | Arrowmaster | im sorry could somebody clarify what that function is? |
| 15:13.59 | Arrowmaster | what was that name again? |
| 15:14.10 | Wobin | ? |
| 15:14.16 | Arrowmaster | oh "createOutdatedAddOn" i wonder what that does |
| 15:14.55 | Arrowmaster | if ("matrix" is in tAddonVars["Notes"]) or ("curse.com" is in tAddonVars["Notes"]) then |
| 15:14.55 | Arrowmaster | put empty into tAddonVars["Notes"] |
| 15:14.56 | Arrowmaster | end if |
| 15:15.10 | zenzelezz | eyes his new video card suspiciously |
| 15:15.10 | alestane | Okay, a lot of the videos are tacky but this was priceless: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/22/funny-pictures-video-kitteh-whack-a-mouse/ |
| 15:15.14 | Arrowmaster | they are hiding the ## Notes line if it contains matrix or curse.com |
| 15:15.42 | Lopeppeppy | And users *still* claim that WoWMatrix would **NEVER** edit addon files! |
| 15:15.44 | zenzelezz | when I got into computers, video cards were huge. Over the years they shrunk to a moderate size. Now they're back to monstrous dimensions |
| 15:15.52 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:16.04 | Arrowmaster | actually im not sure if thats the file or if they are just hiding it from their gui |
| 15:16.29 | Arrowmaster | if (char 1 to 9 of tAddonVars["Filename"] = "Carbonite") then |
| 15:16.29 | Arrowmaster | replace "Copyright 2008 Carbon Based Creations, LLC." with empty in tAddonVars["Notes"] |
| 15:16.29 | Arrowmaster | end if |
| 15:16.31 | Arrowmaster | WIN! |
| 15:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ..................... |
| 15:16.48 | Arrowmaster | i find the best stuff |
| 15:16.49 | Hjalte | Oh man, that's so fail. |
| 15:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 15:17.13 | theorbtwo | notes that removing copyright notices is a reasonably large crime. |
| 15:17.25 | Lopeppeppy | That's hawt. That's soooo hot. |
| 15:18.08 | alestane | What is all this? VB code? |
| 15:18.13 | nicoli_s | runtime revolution |
| 15:18.28 | p3lim | ~seen Maul |
| 15:18.32 | purl | maul <n=chatzill@71.16.45.228> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15h 26m 53s ago, saying: 'each entry in Macaroon.Buttons is a table {button, storageFlag} the index is the button's id'. |
| 15:19.16 | nicoli_s | man that shit is hilarious |
| 15:19.23 | nicoli_s | people need to start posting this on the wow forums |
| 15:19.29 | Arrowmaster | i have posted some |
| 15:21.00 | Arrowmaster | omg |
| 15:21.04 | Arrowmaster | i think i found something better |
| 15:21.05 | Wobin | oh wow |
| 15:21.08 | Wobin | that's... terrible |
| 15:21.15 | Wobin | I mean, that's not just ... bad... |
| 15:21.37 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: post taht carbonite thing here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=118 or can I please? |
| 15:21.39 | AckisWork | :D :D |
| 15:21.50 | Arrowmaster | do it |
| 15:22.06 | Wobin | technically you're in breach of WM's TOU |
| 15:22.14 | Wobin | since it states you can't reverse engineer it =P |
| 15:22.18 | Arrowmaster | im not |
| 15:22.24 | Arrowmaster | im just reading my own damn computer memory |
| 15:22.43 | Arrowmaster | i found code that modifies Parser-3.0.lua |
| 15:22.53 | Tenchworks | talk about adding fuel to the fire, I'm sure the carbonite people are gonna be furious when they see that one |
| 15:22.56 | nicoli_s | and does what? |
| 15:23.08 | Arrowmaster | replaces _G.GOLD with "Gold" |
| 15:23.19 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 15:23.20 | Arrowmaster | _G.SILVER with "Silver" |
| 15:23.23 | zenzelezz | why would they do that? |
| 15:23.44 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=130012 |
| 15:23.49 | Arrowmaster | because Parser-3.0.lua broke in like 2.4 when bliz removed the _G.GOLD global |
| 15:24.02 | Arrowmaster | except it broke in other ways that killed it |
| 15:24.12 | Arrowmaster | but still its doing it |
| 15:24.31 | Wobin | So... WM is ...hand editing each addon as it comes as a separate case |
| 15:24.44 | Wobin | that has to be the worst business technique I've -ever- seen |
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| 15:25.29 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, nice rabble-rousing style. :) |
| 15:25.33 | mikma | and that's why we lost wowmatrix |
| 15:25.34 | Wobin | of course, all Carbonite has to do, is change the spacing slightly in the copyright with each new release |
| 15:25.45 | Wobin | and WM will have to adjust every single time |
| 15:26.28 | nicoli_s | man, thats some hacky ass code |
| 15:26.56 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: simple and informative |
| 15:27.02 | mikma | wait what about carbonite and copyright? |
| 15:27.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh. Big old troll. |
| 15:27.25 | Arrowmaster | so who wants to figure out what http://swupdate.wowmatrix.com/s/a.cgi is |
| 15:27.29 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: you love it :D |
| 15:27.59 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: what are you using to read the code? |
| 15:28.14 | Arrowmaster | scite |
| 15:28.17 | AckisWork | Wobin: his eyes |
| 15:28.30 | Arrowmaster | OllyDbg and SciTE |
| 15:28.40 | Arrowmaster | pastey.net down? |
| 15:29.06 | Wobin | seems that way |
| 15:29.21 | Arrowmaster | if ("AmmoGnome" is among the lines of gInstalledAddonFileList) and (gSettings["uAmmoGnomeWarning"] <> "done") and (isInstallableAddOn("FreeRefills")) then |
| 15:29.21 | Arrowmaster | answer warning "IMPORTANT NOTICE" & cr & cr & "WowMatrix has detected that you currently have AmmoGnome installed." & cr & cr & \ |
| 15:29.21 | Arrowmaster | "Please note that AmmoGnome has been reported by many users to mistakenly purchase multiple random items at vendors when you are logged into a character other than a hunter." & cr & cr & \ |
| 15:29.26 | Arrowmaster | "We highly recommend that you un-install AmmoGnome and install FreeRefills instead. FreeRefills allows you to specify exactly what items to buy and the quantity you wish to purchase." \ |
| 15:29.29 | Arrowmaster | with "Don't Remind Me" or "OK, Will Do" as sheet |
| 15:29.32 | Wobin | pastebin.org? |
| 15:29.35 | Wobin | er com |
| 15:29.51 | Trela_ | http://paste.wowace.com/ |
| 15:29.59 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, they do that too? |
| 15:30.13 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: anything about ackis recipe list? :P |
| 15:30.14 | mikma | so really |
| 15:30.21 | mikma | go USA |
| 15:30.34 | Wobin | this is honestly the worst show of programming I've seen in quite some time |
| 15:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | a lot of it is just the language |
| 15:30.48 | mikma | 15y old girl took her own nakedpicture with phone and sent it to her 15y old boygriend |
| 15:30.48 | alestane | I wonder if they thought they were being helpful? |
| 15:31.00 | Arrowmaster | HAHA YES |
| 15:31.04 | alestane | Kids will be kids. |
| 15:31.06 | mikma | now they are being accused of a) creating childporn, b) obsessing (holding?) childporn |
| 15:31.16 | Arrowmaster | I FUCKING FOUND A FUCKING HUGE BLOCK OF CODE MODIFY ADDONS |
| 15:31.18 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: not really... more in what they're trying to do then how they're doing it |
| 15:31.29 | Wobin | mikma: but they can't be charged cause they're underage |
| 15:31.30 | alestane | Now, THAT'S pure Americana, yes. |
| 15:31.33 | Wobin | ? |
| 15:31.43 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, it will be dismissed, many similar cases have been brought lately and dismissed. |
| 15:31.47 | Arrowmaster | ~pastebin |
| 15:31.48 | purl | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:31.50 | mikma | wobin: apparently they can |
| 15:32.00 | mikma | lopeppeppy: i really, really hope so |
| 15:32.05 | mikma | that's rediculous really |
| 15:32.16 | Lopeppeppy | It is, which is why judges are throwing out the cases left and right. |
| 15:32.32 | Wobin | mikma: and I think you mean "possessing childporn" |
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| 15:32.48 | mikma | wobin: the boy has her girldfriends nakedpicture in his phone |
| 15:32.52 | AckisWork | mikma: I recall reading a story about a 13 year old having sex with a 12 year old... she (13 year old) was both protected as being victimized and considered to be a rapist... irony eh? |
| 15:33.02 | Arrowmaster | http://rafb.net/p/dboNou53.html |
| 15:33.03 | Arrowmaster | http://rafb.net/p/dboNou53.htmlhttp://rafb.net/p/dboNou53.htmlhttp://rafb.net/p/dboNou53.html |
| 15:33.16 | mikma | wobin: possessing is most likely correct word, sorry. |
| 15:33.23 | mikma | who knows, maybe they are obsessed about it too? |
| 15:34.05 | Wobin | I love the WIM change |
| 15:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | WIM was the one with the April Fools prank, yes? |
| 15:34.41 | mikma | ackiswork: i also have a text about a case where 17 year old boy had oralsex with 15y old girl. the girl told the jury that she wanted to do it with the boy -> no dice, boy raped her. |
| 15:34.48 | Wobin | Man, I'm so glad that WM is FIXING MY ADDONS FOR ME |
| 15:34.53 | mikma | the boy did 3 years of jail before the law was changed |
| 15:34.58 | mikma | this happened in 2004 |
| 15:35.04 | mikma | Genarlow Wilson |
| 15:35.17 | mikma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genarlow_Wilson |
| 15:35.32 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, every case is unique, versus the consent laws of various states etc etc. |
| 15:35.57 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I bet the rejoinder to any post that includes that block will be "Oh I don't use those addons so I don't care" |
| 15:36.15 | Wobin | and "Well, arne't they fixing your mistakes?" |
| 15:36.16 | Lopeppeppy | Of course they don't care, Wobin. *laugh* That's entirely the issue, overall. |
| 15:36.39 | Arrowmaster | ITS TOO FUCKING LONG TO POST ON THE WOW FORUMS! |
| 15:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | So, clip it to one, and offer a link to the full pastey |
| 15:37.15 | Wobin | multiple posts |
| 15:37.32 | Wobin | oh and lock the pastey |
| 15:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | Very lock the pastey |
| 15:37.49 | Wobin | maybe find a better host for it |
| 15:37.56 | Arrowmaster | you can edit that one? |
| 15:38.00 | mikma | lopeppeppy: that's completely crazy imho, every state having their own law |
| 15:38.08 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213.21.89.60) |
| 15:38.18 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I can remove it completely |
| 15:38.22 | Lopeppeppy | *gentle shrug* Reality is, whether it's crazy or not. |
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| 15:38.37 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: links up top of the page |
| 15:38.58 | Gnarfoz | mikma: it's just a bunch of little countries in reality ;) |
| 15:39.08 | Gnarfoz | (or big ones, depending on which one :D) |
| 15:39.14 | mikma | gnarfoz: exactly, whacked together with a duct tape |
| 15:39.15 | alestane | mikma: The original view of the states was to leave as much autonomy to each one as its own government, granting the federal government only as much power as it needed to promote cooperation and resolve cross-jurisdictional difficulties. |
| 15:39.33 | Gnarfoz | guess they kind of moved in a different direction since |
| 15:39.34 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:40.06 | Arrowmaster | posted on ui forums |
| 15:40.11 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: Pastebin doesn't appear to have any limitations to posting |
| 15:40.44 | AckisWork | Seerah: pingish |
| 15:40.52 | alestane | That legal distinction on different sex acts comes up in more than one gay custody case, I believe; in states like Georgia or Virginia where oral sex is listed as a felony, a gay parent's participation in such activities is often cited as evidence of their unfitness to parent. |
| 15:41.00 | Seerah | AckisWork: pongish |
| 15:41.17 | AckisWork | Seerah: wowi says i has 1 bug report thingy but nothing shows up... confusled I is |
| 15:41.25 | AckisWork | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal_admin.php?&uid=17741&a=listbugreport&sb=date&so=desc |
| 15:42.11 | Seerah | hrmm... maybe they deleted it? (I don't remember if they can delete ones they make) |
| 15:42.12 | Lunessa | mikma: That's ok. You euros have like countries smaller than some of our states and yet... you all have your own laws! |
| 15:43.04 | Qzot | Our states have their own laws, too, y'know. States rights and such. |
| 15:43.13 | mikma | lunessa: that's because they only connected to each other by land (and sometimes, water, *cough* UK *cough*) |
| 15:43.19 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: link? |
| 15:43.29 | Arrowmaster | to? |
| 15:43.52 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=15 |
| 15:45.18 | Lunessa | mikma: My "tongue-in-cheek" point there was the same thing as Alestane pointed out. Each state is largely autonomous in most things. Though the US Civil War did change that significantly, each state still has it's own laws, constitution and government. |
| 15:45.44 | mikma | lunessa: to be honest, this is the first time i realized what does the "United States of America" mean ^^ |
| 15:45.46 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: hehe I thought you'd make a new thread, but that's a bit exposed |
| 15:45.55 | mikma | and gnarfoz put it out nicely... <1838> <Gnarfoz> mikma: it's just a bunch of little countries in reality ;) |
| 15:46.14 | Lunessa | Congratulations - you've just expanded your world-view. :) |
| 15:46.35 | alestane | Except that their interactions with the rest of the world are supposed to be managed through the single agency of the federal government, causing the several states to appear as one country in their dealings with the rest of the world...early example of object-oriented programming. |
| 15:46.40 | mikma | oh the world-view has been ok, but the *MEANING* just opened up |
| 15:46.48 | mikma | and i think that's cool |
| 15:46.55 | theorbtwo | The united states of america is an awful lot like the EU in many ways. The EU is still a lot looser-knit then the US, but not all that much, really. |
| 15:47.06 | Wobin | and the EU is a nicer place to be in |
| 15:47.13 | mikma | .. |
| 15:47.16 | mikma | oh really? |
| 15:47.19 | Wobin | nicer wines, food, etc =P |
| 15:47.27 | Wobin | Or maybe I should say "Nicer to visit!" |
| 15:47.30 | theorbtwo | Not terribly relevant to the conversation at hand. |
| 15:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | ice wine rocks my world |
| 15:47.39 | alestane | "ice wine"? |
| 15:47.40 | mikma | wobin: do i need to paste the Telecom -shit here again? |
| 15:47.45 | Wobin | no, but you shouldn't expect relevancy in this channel =) |
| 15:47.52 | mikma | EU will most likely lose the meaning of "Internet" in near future |
| 15:48.05 | Wobin | mikma: That's why I amended to 'visit' |
| 15:48.13 | mikma | cause it'll turn into "cable-tv" where operators sell packages of websites you can visit |
| 15:48.24 | mikma | other websites than the ones sold, tough luck. |
| 15:48.35 | theorbtwo | Very unlikely. |
| 15:48.47 | theorbtwo | Possibly somewhat more expensive. |
| 15:48.56 | theorbtwo | I doubt that too, to be honest. |
| 15:49.05 | mikma | doubt what? |
| 15:49.17 | Wobin | mikma: Pft, look at Australia's attempt at firewalling |
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| 15:49.42 | theorbtwo | I think prices for the end-user will remain constant no matter where your bandwidth is going, so long as you keep using the same amount of bandwidth. |
| 15:50.14 | mikma | theorbtwo: not talking about the thing i said, are you? |
| 15:51.08 | mikma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecoms_Package |
| 15:51.43 | mikma | http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MEPs_ITRE_am138 <- there's what people have voted |
| 15:52.57 | Gnarfoz | the whole censorship aspect is what sucks most |
| 15:53.17 | Gnarfoz | (nevermind that we (that being Germany) are doing that ourselves right now, anyway) |
| 15:53.22 | Arrowmaster | http://rafb.net/p/WaWIXH29.html |
| 15:53.27 | Arrowmaster | ^^ wowmatrix hosted addons |
| 15:53.52 | mikma | "The proposition also makes it possible for Internet service providers (ISP) to decide which web pages users are allowed to visit, potentially limiting access to websites critical of the ISP or the government. ISPs would then sell internet packages, similar to TV packages, allowing access to a limited number of websites. Critics claim this will limit freedom of speech on the Internet." |
| 15:53.53 | NightHawkTheSane | today's PA is win. |
| 15:54.05 | mikma | that explains it all |
| 15:54.14 | mikma | what we will have in ~6 months |
| 15:54.41 | Trela_ | Arrowmaster: There is a pastey around some where that has all of this in it already. I believe Shirik or Shefki was working on it. |
| 15:55.12 | Arrowmaster | Trela: when? |
| 15:55.19 | Arrowmaster | i just pulled that from the wowmatrix code |
| 15:55.35 | Trela_ | A few days ago. |
| 15:55.40 | theorbtwo | Interesting, but as it says, people are free to not use those ISPs. Long ISP contracts suck, but I'd drop mine like a hot potato. |
| 15:55.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah this is a lot longer |
| 15:56.08 | Trela_ | considers letting WoWMatrix host AddOns. |
| 15:56.14 | Trela_ | gets distracted by lunch. |
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| 15:56.39 | mikma | trela_: funny :D |
| 15:56.57 | mikma | like... "oooooh! Waffles! -> wanders off and forgets about stuff" |
| 15:57.13 | Trela_ | Exactly. Waffles > WoWMatrix. |
| 15:58.30 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: is Gift of the Earthmother really vital? |
| 15:58.41 | nevcairiel | yes. |
| 15:59.13 | Gnarfoz | theorbtwo: it will soon be mandatory for ISPs to filter the internet in Germany. seeing that EU thingy still not decided, what do you think they will do EU-wide? something less stupid or something equally or MORE stupid? |
| 15:59.19 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 15:59.33 | Gnarfoz | my bet is on equally stupid |
| 15:59.34 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 15:59.47 | jnwhiteh | what about 5/5 tranquil spirit/ |
| 15:59.55 | jnwhiteh | are we nourishing much? |
| 16:00.06 | theorbtwo | Gnarfoz: Filtering on profit-driven basis and on censorship basis are different. |
| 16:00.21 | theorbtwo | The later one I'm sure will be done in a highly fucked up way pretty quickly. |
| 16:00.29 | Gnarfoz | theorbtwo: who says anything about profit-driven? |
| 16:00.36 | theorbtwo | (In the places where it isn't.) |
| 16:00.55 | theorbtwo | 16:48 < mikma> cause it'll turn into "cable-tv" where operators sell packages of websites you can visit |
| 16:00.56 | Gnarfoz | it's censorship they're implementing in Germany :\ |
| 16:01.04 | Gnarfoz | theorbtwo: that's an analogy |
| 16:01.30 | mikma | gnarfoz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecoms_Package |
| 16:01.44 | mikma | gnarfoz: "ISPs would then sell internet packages, similar to TV packages, allowing access to a limited number of websites." |
| 16:01.46 | Gnarfoz | mikma: yes, why are you linking it again? you already did :) |
| 16:01.51 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: depends on your style i guess, but with the glyph and my gear it does crit for 10k, so its really good HPS on a tank |
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| 16:01.57 | Fisker- | why so batshit insane? |
| 16:01.59 | mikma | gnarfoz: thought you didn't read it |
| 16:02.01 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 16:02.06 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I dont have it yet, so i'm staying out of it |
| 16:02.09 | Gnarfoz | mikma: EU regulations are not predictions about what companies are going to do |
| 16:02.10 | jnwhiteh | putting the points elsewhere :P |
| 16:02.31 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I'm not even talking about that one, it just presents bad opportunities |
| 16:02.31 | mikma | gnarfoz: afaik, they are like "oh, new law, let's do it! YEY!" |
| 16:02.37 | mikma | gnarfoz: LATER! "wait, this sucks" |
| 16:02.50 | Gnarfoz | keep in mind it's going to be the users who'll be saying the latter |
| 16:02.51 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:02.57 | Gnarfoz | not the guys who make laws |
| 16:03.03 | mikma | hah, exactly. |
| 16:03.14 | mikma | users are already saying "wait, this sucks" |
| 16:03.27 | mikma | but who listens? no-one. it's important to protect us from childporno |
| 16:03.39 | Gnarfoz | which... obviously is just a facade |
| 16:04.20 | mikma | well, let's hope Piratebay buys some island |
| 16:04.27 | Gnarfoz | the guys drafting the german law for these censorship lists (pretty akin to Australia's) also just recently took out the most important part in their draft: |
| 16:04.44 | Gnarfoz | the line where it says "this is to be used to block child porn" |
| 16:05.06 | Gnarfoz | now it's just "BKA will supply a list of sites to block", period |
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| 16:07.04 | theorbtwo | The game in many governments just seemst to be to put as much power as possible in the hands of the executive, without worrying about what happens when the next executive comes along and uses the power for something you didn't want. |
| 16:07.37 | mikma | ok... next page i have absolutely *NO IDEA WHAT WILL BE DISPLAYED* ... all we can see is blockmessages by the police. i'll break the url so you won't accidentally click it :O tell me what's there.. http://195. 197 .162. 245/ |
| 16:08.17 | Gnarfoz | that's a finnish block page |
| 16:08.28 | Gnarfoz | i.e. you're already being redirected and that's not the original URI? |
| 16:08.34 | mikma | gnarfoz: police blockmessage? |
| 16:08.46 | Gnarfoz | or, since you speak suomi, maybe you should actually read the page? :D |
| 16:08.55 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's just a page "oh, we took this down, our page is here now" |
| 16:09.14 | theorbtwo | The UK government gave huge spying powers, for use in major cases, to local government. Now we're hearing about how they get used to spy on people who put their bins out on the wrong day. |
| 16:09.33 | Fisker- | mikma giev real url |
| 16:09.33 | mikma | translation is "your browser has tried to access page which contains childpornography. police updates and keeps list of these pages" |
| 16:09.53 | theorbtwo | We *also* here about how so-and-so many people are getting arrested under anti-terror laws, so it's important that we keep up the fight. |
| 16:10.08 | mikma | fisker-: that's the url i got with google. i won't be trying to find a "real" one |
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| 16:10.20 | Fisker- | oh |
| 16:10.32 | Fisker- | Why would you use google? |
| 16:10.58 | mikma | to find a site blocked by finnish police |
| 16:11.11 | Fisker- | And since when does google use finnish dns servers? :3 |
| 16:11.27 | mikma | i searched with words "police access denied" ;) |
| 16:11.36 | mikma | "poliisi pääsy estetty" .. |
| 16:11.41 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 16:11.42 | Gnarfoz | mikma: don't you realize this will just give you the page hosted on THEIR servers? |
| 16:11.56 | Fisker- | But a google crawler won't see the page as they get the "real" site instead |
| 16:12.14 | Gnarfoz | true, but he searched not for something they block but for what they display when they do |
| 16:12.17 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 16:12.25 | mikma | gnarfoz: nope, cause this page doesn't have any address i can't tell is it real deal or police site |
| 16:12.33 | Fisker- | police site |
| 16:12.36 | Gnarfoz | check who the IP belongs to? |
| 16:12.46 | Fisker- | It's pretty easy |
| 16:12.56 | mikma | i tried nslookup that url and got 0 info :P |
| 16:12.59 | Fisker- | They modify the DNS to redirect to the new site |
| 16:13.07 | theorbtwo | I already did. Boring answer. |
| 16:13.16 | mikma | can't remember any other commands to dig info about sites |
| 16:13.23 | theorbtwo | IP belongs to Saunalahti Group Oyj |
| 16:13.29 | mikma | ah |
| 16:13.36 | mikma | ISP |
| 16:13.44 | theorbtwo | whois 195.197.162.245 ; dig -x 195.197.162.245 |
| 16:13.53 | theorbtwo | (No reverse DNS for this IP.) |
| 16:14.20 | mikma | there we go, then the address is completely safe ^^ |
| 16:14.33 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@78-86-82-152.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:14.37 | mikma | it's one of the largest ISP's in finland that owns the ip |
| 16:14.50 | Fisker- | it's bullshit though |
| 16:15.11 | sioraiocht | anyone know if frozen power is any good for enh shammies? |
| 16:15.16 | Fisker- | In denmark they've blocked TPB, and totally removed any related site (it appears) |
| 16:15.26 | Fisker- | Censorship ftw |
| 16:15.54 | kneeki | I hate Censorship |
| 16:15.55 | kneeki | in any form |
| 16:16.13 | Fisker- | Political censorship imo |
| 16:16.13 | mikma | only censorship i accept is the one i'm refering to, childporn |
| 16:16.32 | Fisker- | If they wanted to block access to pirated materials they'd just change the dns of the trackers |
| 16:16.32 | Fisker- | problem solved |
| 16:16.33 | mikma | other than that, i can handle what i see / find from internet |
| 16:17.21 | kneeki | I agree, childporn is a horrible horrible thing. But I do not think the government (or anyone else) has the right to invade anyone's privacy without just cause |
| 16:17.42 | kneeki | Nor, should they censor any site. |
| 16:18.03 | mikma | internet will just make you grow stronger |
| 16:18.04 | kneeki | If the site has child porn, don't censor it. Shut it's ass down. I don't think CP is legal anywhere in the world, is it? |
| 16:18.12 | mikma | images you can't get out of your head are the best ones |
| 16:18.40 | kneeki | I had an image I saw on 4chan once, that disturbed me so much I refused to go back for a week |
| 16:18.44 | Fisker- | 4chan is a prime example kneeki |
| 16:18.52 | kneeki | It seriously kept me up at night =\ |
| 16:19.02 | Fisker- | I don't know if it still is, but it was censored by the uk government |
| 16:19.03 | Arrowmaster | so does using opendns get past those filters? |
| 16:19.05 | Fisker- | because of childporn |
| 16:19.14 | mikma | years, years ago i was visiting my friend in sweden. he has some hacked with him that told me that he found a server full of childporn... what did he do? zero'd out all the hdd's of the server :D |
| 16:19.18 | Fisker- | But childporn stays up there for ? seconds |
| 16:19.38 | Fisker- | baw mikma |
| 16:19.44 | Fisker- | he should've called the police |
| 16:20.00 | Fisker- | In Denmark someone had their computer sent to repairs |
| 16:20.08 | kneeki | Or raped him with a broom handle |
| 16:20.10 | Fisker- | and the repairshop found loads and loads of childporn |
| 16:20.11 | mikma | fisker-: .. he was *HACKING* the server, should he call the police? |
| 16:20.24 | mikma | i literally mean hacking, bruteforcing his way in.. |
| 16:20.27 | kneeki | mikma: You could always call anon |
| 16:20.50 | mikma | kneeki: imho, what he did is enough from one person :D |
| 16:20.53 | Fisker- | Well the repairshop guys were probably breaking some privacy law |
| 16:20.56 | kneeki | lol yeah |
| 16:20.56 | Fisker- | so i don't see why not |
| 16:20.59 | mikma | this happened in 1996 btw |
| 16:23.16 | Fisker- | giev account merges ;_; |
| 16:23.27 | mikma | anyone knows the svn address of deadlybossmods? |
| 16:24.05 | Fisker- | You are now hated with Fisker- |
| 16:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | dbm? |
| 16:24.12 | Fisker- | Or actually |
| 16:24.21 | mikma | [x] At war |
| 16:24.26 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 16:24.34 | mikma | bring it |
| 16:24.38 | nevcairiel | mikma: they don't give that out, those suckers =) |
| 16:24.59 | mikma | nevcairiel: exactly the reason why i asked |
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| 16:32.43 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: you beat me =( |
| 16:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 16:33.26 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16418682503&postId=164724195096&sid=1#7 |
| 16:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, RAWR. Dino wins. |
| 16:35.35 | sacarasc | hands Lopeppeppy a stick. |
| 16:35.39 | sacarasc | Beat him again! |
| 16:36.33 | alestane | That was my favorite response when someone started either a new WoWMatrix thread or a new dev policy thread..."Here's your stick, the horse is two doors down on the right." |
| 16:36.39 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 16:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | I try to be a better dino than that. |
| 16:38.38 | alestane | MVP: A category of forum poster who strives to answer people politely no matter how hard they're mocking them inside. |
| 16:38.46 | Lunessa | RAWR - Dinos are stealthy, powerful and correct! |
| 16:39.17 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 16:39.25 | foxlit | kicks the blizzard downloader |
| 16:39.30 | Lunessa | alestane: MVP status prevents you from subsisting on their suffering, the suffering you inflict! |
| 16:40.22 | Arrowmaster | so anybody think they can figure out what the hilighted lines do? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112851 |
| 16:40.28 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=p3lim@084202164112.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 16:41.04 | alestane | Fixes the addons so they say to go to WoWMatrix for updates? |
| 16:41.29 | Arrowmaster | they are running some kinda cgi api on their site now that they werent earlyer |
| 16:41.46 | alestane | I'll be honest, that wall of text has something like +15% crit. |
| 16:42.16 | alestane | But it looks like they might be harvesting some kind of user statistics. |
| 16:42.40 | Aelobin | death runes are good to have arent they? |
| 16:42.47 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: It looks like they are encoding the URL either for statistics or for harvesting data for later scraping. |
| 16:42.56 | Arrowmaster | i cant find those urls in the memory dump i took before i lost power this morning |
| 16:43.42 | Arrowmaster | so should i start some shit about wowmatrix being spyware now on the forums? |
| 16:44.13 | alestane | No, honestly. |
| 16:44.13 | Lopeppeppy | .... mind your account bans, dear. |
| 16:44.19 | sacarasc | If you don't, Fisker- will be disappointed. |
| 16:44.40 | alestane | So much shit has been talked about them already that anything else you heap on the pile will just disappear. |
| 16:44.56 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.57 | Lopeppeppy | No, someone got a 72 hour ban yesterday, so I'm serious, be careful. |
| 16:45.18 | alestane | I'd like to see those threads disappear sooner rather than later. |
| 16:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I wish. |
| 16:45.34 | alestane | I can dream, can't I? |
| 16:45.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, dear, dream me up some cookies, ktx. |
| 16:46.34 | alestane | Any cookies I really have are mine today. You are, however, welcome to the dream cookies. There will be an option on real cookies tomorrow. |
| 16:47.00 | Wobin | Aelobin: yes |
| 16:47.11 | geargrind | does wowi's bbcode have a way to float images in signatures? |
| 16:47.14 | Arrowmaster | there is a utility truck outside my house............ |
| 16:47.24 | Arrowmaster | the same guys that were driving around when my power went out |
| 16:47.29 | Aelobin | Wobin: some tard is telling me to get rid of the talent :P |
| 16:47.57 | Wobin | Aelobin: deathrunes give you the flexibility to use your spells without worrying about what specific rune they are |
| 16:48.01 | Arrowmaster | they are getting ready to go upto the pole with my power and cable lines on it with the bucket........ |
| 16:48.04 | Arrowmaster | is afraid |
| 16:48.10 | Aelobin | thought so |
| 16:48.11 | mikma | lopeppeppy: 72h ban from what? i kinda missed why |
| 16:48.15 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: Ctrl-S |
| 16:48.17 | Wobin | Now =) |
| 16:48.24 | Wobin | Antiarc did |
| 16:48.30 | Wobin | for the Addon Users Bill of Rights |
| 16:48.35 | alestane | I think it was Antiarc, got banned for the "AddOn Users' Bill of Rights" thread IIRC. |
| 16:48.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno, mikma, it wasn't me, but it was for a smart-alec users-rights post. |
| 16:48.55 | alestane | Jinx, you owe me a beer. |
| 16:49.02 | mikma | lopeppeppy: i mean, what happened in what thread etc |
| 16:49.03 | AckisWork | wow Antiarc got banned for 72 hours for that post? another proof that the blizz forum moderators are douches |
| 16:49.42 | Wobin | The post was somewhat inflammatory =P |
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| 16:49.44 | alestane | mikma: The post was priceless, was entitled "AddOn Users' Bill of Rights" and just said: |
| 16:49.46 | Wobin | albeit true |
| 16:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | Just a bit troll-ish |
| 16:49.53 | alestane | [THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK] |
| 16:50.26 | mikma | alestane: that one resulted 72h? |
| 16:50.33 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 16:50.35 | Gnarfoz | should have been an empty post, would have looked way better :( |
| 16:50.36 | alestane | And got deleted. |
| 16:50.41 | nevcairiel | Its the pure truth he posted, though |
| 16:50.44 | foxlit | Forums are for productive discourse. |
| 16:50.46 | mikma | .. epic win into ban, how nice of them |
| 16:50.46 | alestane | It is. |
| 16:51.11 | alestane | It is true, but it's also presented in a very harsh way. |
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| 16:51.25 | foxlit | Just because the last few weeks have been unmoderated trolling, there's no reason to add more noise into the mix :) |
| 16:51.54 | alestane | Sometimes snarkiness is actually more offensive that outright rudeness, because it can be seen as demeaning to the reader. |
| 16:51.55 | Lunessa | has been skirting a ban himself rather a lot lately. |
| 16:51.59 | AckisWork | foxlit: forums are pure trash |
| 16:52.22 | alestane | I blame the WoWAceUpdater</flippant> |
| 16:52.27 | Lopeppeppy | I blame Canada. |
| 16:52.43 | AckisWork | growls at Lopeppeppy |
| 16:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | dibs on blaming microsoft |
| 16:52.54 | durcyn | no, it's pretty much just Canada. |
| 16:52.59 | alestane | I blame E.R. Burroghs. |
| 16:53.07 | alestane | Burroughs* |
| 16:54.52 | mikma | E.R. Bollocks |
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| 16:55.24 | Jamash | I blame the media |
| 16:57.18 | Lunessa | alestane: Don't blame Burroughs, he made childhood tolerable! |
| 16:58.23 | alestane | It was a strange chain of intervening thoughts. |
| 16:59.16 | kneeki | Grrr |
| 16:59.32 | alestane | I was a few years too late for him, I grew up on Anne McCaffrey. |
| 16:59.40 | kneeki | WoW locked up, so I closed and relaunched. The Launcher did some sort of really quick patch, and now I'm unable to validate game versions =\ |
| 16:59.49 | Jamash | Wednesday patch???? |
| 16:59.59 | kneeki | Using v3.1.1 (9806) |
| 17:00.20 | alestane | If he's in Europe, I believe Wednesday patches are normal. |
| 17:00.26 | kneeki | US |
| 17:00.30 | Jamash | I'm in the US and I'm patching right now |
| 17:00.42 | kneeki | Jamash: Were you already v3.1.1? |
| 17:00.42 | alestane | Yep, downloader. |
| 17:00.46 | Jamash | Yes |
| 17:00.48 | kneeki | Stellar |
| 17:01.01 | kneeki | Enjoy your free real life time until the servers are updated =p |
| 17:04.37 | Jamash | so it downloaded a patch, applied it, and the version number didn't change |
| 17:04.41 | Jamash | bizarre |
| 17:05.31 | AckisWork | alestane: pern? |
| 17:06.14 | alestane | Originally, yes. Also the Crystal Singer books and some of her space content like The Ship Who Sang. |
| 17:06.39 | AckisWork | have you read the new pern books? |
| 17:06.51 | alestane | Not lately. |
| 17:06.52 | AckisWork | my mother got me started on sci fi/fantasy with the pern series |
| 17:07.07 | alestane | I read All The Weyrs of Pern and stopped there, more or less. |
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| 17:07.16 | AckisWork | ah |
| 17:07.36 | alestane | I loved the first two trilogies, though, and Dragonsdawn enthralled me. |
| 17:08.00 | alestane | I think the update was actually an update to the Launcher. |
| 17:08.35 | AckisWork | dragonsdawn was the prequil right? |
| 17:08.40 | Lunessa | alestane: The Crystal Singer rapidly turned into Housewife Porn in the sequal. |
| 17:09.02 | alestane | The Launcher says it was modified a few minutes ago, whereas my actual WoW app is unchanged since yesterday. |
| 17:09.02 | Lopeppeppy | There was way too much porn in Pern for me, I gave it up quickly after the first nonconsentual scene. |
| 17:09.50 | Jamash | it seems to have updated BackgroundDownloader.exe, BNUpdate.exe, Launcher.exe and Repair.exe |
| 17:09.51 | alestane | I enjoyed Killashandra well enough, but I didn't really like Crystal Lines or whatever the third one was. |
| 17:09.56 | Thunder_Child | *Cry* http://i.gizmodo.com/5222861/darth-vaders-helmet-reimagined-by-todays-best-underground-artists |
| 17:10.36 | alestane | McCaffrey's work has always had a surprising amount of sexuality in it, actually. |
| 17:10.58 | Thunder_Child | AckisWork, yes |
| 17:11.16 | alestane | It does become a little disturbing in places, like the scene in The White Dragon to which you may have been referring. |
| 17:11.23 | AckisWork | ironically enough I'm not a fan of pr0n stuff in my novels |
| 17:11.36 | kluge | http://www.amazon.com/Druids-Morgan-Llywelyn/dp/0804108447 <- hot druid sex |
| 17:11.40 | kluge | anne liked it. |
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| 17:11.57 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/98888890 |
| 17:12.40 | Wobin | I liked McCaffrey's books |
| 17:12.51 | Jamash | I prefer the garfield strips where garfield is present but has his thought bubbles deleted |
| 17:13.02 | Wobin | The DEath of Sleep trilogy was good |
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| 17:14.16 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 17:14.39 | foxlit | Is it only the Ebon Blade that offers champion's level quests at the argent tournament, or am I just referred to them because of my class? :) |
| 17:14.57 | Wobin | I thought it was race based? |
| 17:15.01 | alestane | I'm actually in the middle of rereading To Ride Pegasus, which in a lot of ways was a precursor to the Rowan books, which I had a harder time getting into, along with the whole Acorna series. The Freedom series was okay but verged back into housewife adventure porn...reasonably entertaining but not too intelligent. |
| 17:15.09 | Adys | you're referred to them because no one else likes nor wants you |
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| 17:15.26 | Thunder_Child | alestane, it's the same universe |
| 17:15.37 | Thunder_Child | paul redinger and all that |
| 17:15.40 | Wobin | Oh and Petaybee was pretty good |
| 17:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | If I want to read porn, I go read it. I don't need it thinly veiled and badly presented in sci fi. |
| 17:15.52 | Wobin | oh the Talent series? |
| 17:16.05 | Thunder_Child | i have no idea what you are talking about Lopeppeppy |
| 17:16.12 | Wobin | I like the pegasus precursor books |
| 17:16.16 | Wobin | liked |
| 17:16.16 | alestane | Meh. I read Powers That Be and felt no need to read the sequels. |
| 17:16.20 | Adys | she's talking about you Thunder_Child |
| 17:16.25 | Lopeppeppy | Of course not, TC, you'v never read sci, just porn. :) |
| 17:16.27 | foxlit | Wobin: aspirant and valiant are. Champions aren't. |
| 17:16.28 | Wobin | yeah, the first couple are all you need =P |
| 17:16.40 | Thunder_Child | Adys, i am not thinly veiled at all. |
| 17:16.49 | Adys | oh that's not what she said |
| 17:17.03 | Wobin | Could never get into the Acorna series |
| 17:17.05 | Lopeppeppy | Some kind of zing, there? |
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| 17:17.15 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.16 | Wobin | Freedom's Choice one was pretty good |
| 17:17.22 | Wobin | although I haven't read the last ones |
| 17:17.42 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, funny, but i still never found any thinly veiled sexual references...and thats the sort of thing i pick up |
| 17:17.53 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, that whole series was great |
| 17:18.22 | alestane | I enjoyed McCaffrey well enough when I was in middle school, but rather like Mercedes Lackey, the sheer volume of material she produced made the formulas clear fairly quickly. Also I discovered writers like C.S. Friedman, David Brin, Kate Elliott and Michelle West-Sagara. |
| 17:18.22 | Lopeppeppy | Piers Anthony. |
| 17:18.38 | Wobin | >< |
| 17:18.39 | alestane | Oh gods, the Phaze/Adept books? |
| 17:18.44 | Wobin | I liked Piers Anthony as a kid |
| 17:18.47 | alestane | Those don't stand the test of time. |
| 17:18.51 | Wobin | but it got too tropey |
| 17:19.05 | Wobin | The... aspects one? |
| 17:19.24 | Wobin | With Death/Nature/Time/etc |
| 17:19.29 | Jamash | incarnations of immortality |
| 17:19.31 | Wobin | Incarnations of Immortaility |
| 17:19.40 | Jamash | I win! |
| 17:19.45 | Wobin | I was rereading For Love of Evil =P |
| 17:20.01 | alestane | If you're going to read Piers Anthony, read the first six to eight Xanth books, and leave most of the rest alone. The Incarnations of Immortality books borrowed their ideas about sexuality from Robert A Heinlein. |
| 17:20.09 | Wobin | "She was the most beautiful woman of her generation" *repeat adnauseam* |
| 17:20.31 | Wobin | I like L E Modesitt Jr nowadays |
| 17:20.45 | Jamash | and for the love of FSM do not read the Mode series |
| 17:20.49 | Wobin | oh god |
| 17:20.58 | Wobin | the Mode series screwed me up but good =P |
| 17:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | The whole Mode series sucked it. |
| 17:21.32 | Wobin | it was terrible, but I did learn a lot from them |
| 17:21.37 | Wobin | like what dolarmite is and stuff |
| 17:21.42 | alestane | I read one Modesitt series and felt that it was okay but I didn't need any more of it. |
| 17:21.43 | Trela_ | Useless WoW crash. When ever I exit, WoW crashes with a kernel access error. >.> Great, but I already closed you, WoW! |
| 17:21.57 | Wobin | alestane: He does good political scifi |
| 17:22.04 | Wobin | and alternate history series |
| 17:22.19 | Wobin | I like his fantasy, but his scifi is very readable |
| 17:22.26 | alestane | Much the same with Sara Douglass...I felt enthusiastic about one of her books whenever I picked it up, and vaguely disappointed when I got to the end. |
| 17:22.28 | Wobin | except perhaps Soprano Sorceresss |
| 17:22.39 | Wobin | which I refuse to read |
| 17:22.58 | Wobin | What about Patrick Rothfuss? |
| 17:23.05 | Wobin | Name of the Wind? |
| 17:23.17 | Wobin | I quite enjoyed it, as a throwback to the epic storytelling style |
| 17:23.49 | AckisWork | alestane: are you into sci-fi at all? i've been enjoying david weber's honor harrington series |
| 17:24.25 | Thunder_Child | AckisWork, there are a number of stuff like that |
| 17:24.27 | Wobin | space opera =) |
| 17:24.45 | Wobin | david weber is horrendously prolific |
| 17:24.52 | alestane | Alan Dean Foster seemed like an excellent writer but I couldn't stomach his stories...rather in the same vein as David Wingrove's Chung Kuo, Yamato, and to a lesser extent Peter F. Hamilton's Night's Dawn. |
| 17:24.55 | Thunder_Child | all sci-fi seems to equal space opera |
| 17:25.04 | Wobin | I like ADF's Flinx series |
| 17:25.19 | Wobin | Peter Hamilton, I could never get into |
| 17:25.26 | alestane | I read sci-fi sometimes. I've read quite a bit of it but it's less likely to go on my "I must own this" list. |
| 17:25.40 | Wobin | Steven Brust? For fantasy styling? |
| 17:25.43 | alestane | Hamilton's FANTASTIC, but he takes me places I often wish I hadn't gone. |
| 17:25.43 | Adys | being able to log both US and EU acc without changing realmlist = neat |
| 17:25.58 | alestane | Steve Sterling is another one like that. |
| 17:25.59 | Wobin | His Vlad Taltos series is very amusing |
| 17:26.19 | Lunessa | Brust's work is good reading. |
| 17:26.44 | alestane | Sterling's a great writer, does a great job of characterizing people, including the less savory sides of human nature, but sometimes you come out of his books feeling like you just waded through a swamp. |
| 17:26.49 | Wobin | also, for scifi, there's always Neal Stephenson |
| 17:26.56 | DWSR | hey, anyone here ever tried to make a skin for SunnArt? |
| 17:27.06 | Lunessa | I was heavily into Cyberpunk fiction - Sterling, Williams, Stephenson, Gibson. |
| 17:27.18 | alestane | Stephenson's good, I loved K.S. Robinson, Gibson's decent. |
| 17:27.20 | Wobin | and you can't go past Neil Gaiman |
| 17:27.22 | DWSR | Lunessa: Cryptonomicon? |
| 17:27.28 | Wobin | DWSR: yes =) |
| 17:27.32 | DWSR | <3 |
| 17:27.33 | Lunessa | DWSR: And Snowcrash |
| 17:27.35 | Wobin | and Snowcrash |
| 17:27.41 | Thunder_Child | Snowcrash is <3 |
| 17:27.42 | Lunessa | And Zodiac |
| 17:27.43 | DWSR | Lunessa: Haven't read it. I'll pick it up. :) |
| 17:27.48 | Jamash | Vernor Vinge and Charles Stross are two of my current faves |
| 17:27.55 | Wobin | SNow crash is fantastic |
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| 17:28.11 | Wobin | The Diamond Age is a bit... confusing |
| 17:28.17 | Wobin | but still a fascinating read |
| 17:28.18 | Thunder_Child | my friend wouldnt read snowcrash, he said when it started out witha pizza delivering ninja programer he was laughing to hard to continue |
| 17:28.21 | alestane | Jaqueline Carey's outstanding. The Kushiel books have remained strong but it was Banewreaker that really blew me away. |
| 17:28.34 | Wobin | I could never get into the Kushiel series |
| 17:28.34 | alestane | Sean Russell is good. |
| 17:28.40 | Lunessa | Vernor's "A Deepness in the Sky" was ponderous and difficult, but in the end well-worth the read. But his wife Joan's "Catspaw" was also a good read. |
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| 17:28.43 | Wobin | Banewreaker? |
| 17:29.03 | Jamash | Lunessa: Did you read A Fire Upon the Deep before A Deepness in the Sky? |
| 17:29.06 | alestane | Her other duology, The Sundering, is completely different and is a must-read for any Tolkien fan. |
| 17:29.22 | DWSR | I'm still an Asimov fan. |
| 17:29.29 | Lunessa | Jamash: Yes. That was an interesting look at Interstellar Internet. :) |
| 17:29.34 | Jamash | high-fives DWSR. |
| 17:29.37 | DWSR | :D |
| 17:29.47 | DWSR | Him and the Ender series. |
| 17:29.48 | Jamash | I loved the Usenet jokes in AFUTD |
| 17:29.49 | Lunessa | I like Glen Cook's work. SF and Fantasy. |
| 17:30.07 | Trela_ | Hmm, apparently not having a file an AddOn told WoW to expect causes that crash. |
| 17:30.08 | alestane | Tad Williams is really good and he can handle both fantasy and Sci-Fi. |
| 17:30.11 | DWSR | Jamash: Yeah. I read the books when I was a lot younger, and I finally got the jokes. :D |
| 17:30.23 | Lopeppeppy | TC, Snowcrash is awesome. :) Hero Protagonist rules. |
| 17:30.44 | Wobin | Tad Williams... hehe I remember going "A Baker's son? Wow, -that's- never been used before..." |
| 17:30.55 | alestane | I should reread A Fire Upon The Deep, I missed a lot of it when I read it. |
| 17:31.03 | alestane | Wobin: Which book? |
| 17:31.09 | Wobin | I can't recall exactly=) |
| 17:31.18 | Torhal | alestane: I think I've read "Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn" at least four times. |
| 17:31.19 | Wobin | although that kind of brings us to Shannara |
| 17:31.21 | DWSR | Is there a way to ask a kgpanel to react on a Ctrl+Click? |
| 17:31.25 | Lunessa | Tad Williams is good light reading. Like some of the later Xanth novels. But honestly, I like meatier novels now. |
| 17:31.37 | Lunessa | DWSR sure - with scripting. |
| 17:31.47 | DWSR | Lunessa: H'okay. |
| 17:31.53 | Wobin | The Xanth novels became too bleh, when he was focusing more on fitting as many puns in as possible |
| 17:31.58 | zenzelezz | hm, anyone know if the Brilliant Stormjewel (+20 int) is any good? |
| 17:31.59 | DWSR | (That's slightly more helpful than yes, but not by much). |
| 17:32.06 | alestane | Lunessa: Have you not read Otherland? |
| 17:32.17 | Torhal | Wobin: I used to love the Shannara books. I tried reading one recently and it seemed way too simplistic. |
| 17:32.23 | Lunessa | The "Castle... " "series by DeChance is also good light fun. |
| 17:32.23 | Wobin | Torhal: agreed |
| 17:32.35 | Wobin | Black Cauldron =) |
| 17:32.38 | Torhal | Guess that's the difference between adults and teenagers. Heh |
| 17:32.39 | Lunessa | alestane: I might have, the name sounds like fun. |
| 17:32.52 | Wobin | Otherlands is a Tad Williams, isn't it? |
| 17:32.55 | Dashkal | Meh, that series annoyed me. Too many characters apparently killed then back without a scratch or explanation |
| 17:32.55 | alestane | Tad WIlliams' four-volume novel about virtual immortality. |
| 17:33.22 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/12/16473611744-algalon-1-hour-lock-out.html LOL |
| 17:33.27 | Lunessa | alestane: Nope. I haven't read that. |
| 17:33.28 | alestane | If you want meaty, I felt it has it. |
| 17:33.34 | Thunder_Child | lol Wobin |
| 17:33.44 | Thunder_Child | 15 years since i read that |
| 17:33.45 | alestane | War of the Flowers was also good and a much shorter read. |
| 17:34.08 | alestane | I've read some Ray Feist lately and have trouble deciding if I like it or not. |
| 17:34.12 | Wobin | hehe, I remember borrowing all the RA Salvatore books from the library |
| 17:34.27 | Wobin | alestane: I read the first few of his latest... not impressed |
| 17:34.35 | Wobin | although the one where he gets tortured was a surprise |
| 17:34.47 | Lunessa | Raymond Feist is ok, but I could only stand 2 novels worth before I was ready to puke. |
| 17:35.04 | Lunessa | RA Salvatore - HACK, HACK, HACK. |
| 17:35.05 | Wobin | Lunessa: Every now and again, I bring out Magician and "skim read" |
| 17:35.15 | Wobin | and by skim read I mean "just the bits with Pug" |
| 17:35.20 | Lunessa | Wobin: It's the only one I can stand to re-read. |
| 17:35.26 | alestane | I liked R.A. Salvatore when he started. But then he kept going. |
| 17:35.32 | Wobin | alestane: yeah =) |
| 17:35.43 | Wobin | Once Catti-bri died, I lost interest |
| 17:35.50 | alestane | The Icewind Dale trilogy and the Dark Elf trilogy were good stuff. |
| 17:35.55 | Lunessa | Honestly, I don't like any of the D&D authors, thought I can tolerate some more than others. |
| 17:36.01 | Wobin | Ed Greenwood? |
| 17:36.07 | alestane | Not Greenwood. |
| 17:36.24 | alestane | I give him props for creating Elminster and the realms, but I can't read his prose anymore. |
| 17:36.36 | Wobin | hm, that's the only other name that comes to mind =P |
| 17:36.51 | Wobin | although I remember reading the Spellfire trilogy |
| 17:36.57 | Wobin | and Azure Bonds |
| 17:37.06 | alestane | My wife summed up Spellfire with the comment, "Not too bad, but it seems like everyone's answer to adversity is to either cry about it or have sex, often both." |
| 17:37.08 | Thunder_Child | The Warlock series is good |
| 17:37.16 | Wobin | ooh, Stasheff? |
| 17:37.19 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 17:37.20 | Wobin | I love his books |
| 17:37.23 | AckisWork | Lunessa: you don't like the drizzt series? :P |
| 17:37.24 | alestane | Elaine Cunningham was one of the later Realms authors I enjoyed. |
| 17:37.29 | Torhal | What about "The Wheel of Time"? |
| 17:37.35 | Wobin | first five were good |
| 17:37.36 | Wobin | then meh |
| 17:37.49 | alestane | Stasheff started off great, but lost my interest. |
| 17:37.56 | Jamash | alestane: same |
| 17:37.56 | AckisWork | wizards first rule was a good serioes, game of thrones is good but needs to get another book out :P |
| 17:38.00 | Wobin | crosses his arms under his breasts and tugs on his hair. Hmph. |
| 17:38.00 | Torhal | Yah, he got repetitious very fast, like the story could go on for 20 more books |
| 17:38.12 | Wobin | Wizards first rule was good |
| 17:38.14 | Torhal | Wobin: Robert Jordan porn! Ack! |
| 17:38.16 | Wobin | as a stand alone |
| 17:38.17 | alestane | I still have The Warlock In Spite of Himself and enjoy it, but I let the rest go. |
| 17:38.21 | Lunessa | AckisWork: No, I didn't. I read them to see why everyone was raving... and I wanted my afternoon back. |
| 17:38.25 | Lopeppeppy | Terry Goodkind got insanely repetitive after book 2. |
| 17:38.29 | Jamash | I think I realized at some point that Stasheff was writing the same book over and over again |
| 17:38.35 | Wobin | The one where he did all the kids was my stopping point |
| 17:38.36 | Lopeppeppy | I love the rules, but the plot was... same book over and over again. |
| 17:38.48 | Wobin | Goodkind went mad around about book 4 |
| 17:38.50 | alestane | Jordan did some things well but had trouble with others. |
| 17:38.50 | Thunder_Child | Crown of Stars series was interesting as well |
| 17:38.52 | AckisWork | Wobin, Lopeppeppy: the last 2-3 in the series were really good IMO, started a new twist and was very very interesting |
| 17:39.06 | alestane | Anyone else read The Sun Sword? |
| 17:39.08 | Wobin | AckisWork: before he died? |
| 17:39.12 | Lunessa | ... Wizard's First Rule is garbage. |
| 17:39.18 | Wobin | alestane: Duncan... somehting? |
| 17:39.27 | alestane | Michelle West. |
| 17:39.31 | AckisWork | Wobin: talking about wizard's first rule series |
| 17:39.40 | Wobin | oh |
| 17:39.45 | DWSR | What does !SurfaceControl do? |
| 17:39.52 | Wobin | I -really- couldn't get past the fourth book in that series |
| 17:40.00 | Wobin | and the plots for the ones after were utterly horrific |
| 17:40.05 | AckisWork | jordan... ugh I read 2 of hte later books in his series and the plot didn't move at all =/ |
| 17:40.12 | Wobin | "Lets rape the protagonist and call it GOOD!" |
| 17:40.29 | Jamash | now the True Game series, that was awesome |
| 17:41.00 | alestane | I found Rules of Ascension sort of interesting. |
| 17:41.04 | DWSR | What does !SurfaceControl do? |
| 17:41.43 | Lunessa | DWSR: It was designed to pull textures, but I don't know that it's still updated. |
| 17:41.44 | Wobin | DWSR: I think it was a preloader or something for a precursor to sharemedia? |
| 17:42.21 | DWSR | ah, updated a while ago. |
| 17:42.29 | Lunessa | Anyone read George Alec Effinger? |
| 17:42.39 | Jamash | I think so |
| 17:42.45 | alestane | Lunessa: One or two of his books. |
| 17:42.57 | Lunessa | "When Gravity Fails" |
| 17:43.06 | Thunder_Child | "the Superheated Winds cast by Magma Ragers should have a smaller radius, and a slightly slower periodic damage" awww....they were the mostest funnest |
| 17:43.12 | DWSR | Can I do something where I can tell an addon to return a specific bar texture whenever one is called for by another addon, regardless of what texture was actually called for? |
| 17:43.24 | alestane | I remember reading a Zork book that was all about the monomyth that might or might not have been him. |
| 17:43.50 | Jamash | oh the muffy birnbaum series is classic |
| 17:44.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm getting rid of soooo many books this spring, it makes me cry. Goodkind and Martin are among the culling. |
| 17:44.30 | krka | getting rid? |
| 17:44.33 | Jamash | noooo not martin |
| 17:44.41 | Wobin | hehe Zork |
| 17:44.43 | krka | why would you do such a thing? |
| 17:44.44 | Wobin | Hiya Sailor! |
| 17:44.45 | krka | no space? |
| 17:44.51 | DWSR | Can I do something where I can tell an addon to return a specific bar texture whenever one is called for by another addon, regardless of what texture was actually called for? |
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| 17:45.03 | alestane | Martin, George R.R.? |
| 17:45.40 | alestane | Another one where I actually love his work but can only read so much of it at a time. He is a little too good at recreating the dark ages. |
| 17:45.40 | Lunessa | He's good too. |
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| 17:46.23 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, yes. |
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| 17:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | krka, downsizing apartment, I need more space and my books are a big space-hogger. |
| 17:46.48 | alestane | I think he's fabulous but has limited re-readability. |
| 17:46.55 | Wobin | Zelazny? |
| 17:46.58 | alestane | So I can see letting those go. |
| 17:47.01 | Lunessa | He's a nice guy. I rode in an elevator with him at NOLAcon in '93 and he told me that the WildCards books came out of the SuperWrold campaign he, W.J.Williams and Zelazny co-ran. Then I got invited to drinks and a party. :) |
| 17:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | Neat, Lunessa. |
| 17:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, they're also in hardcover, so that's a strike against them. |
| 17:47.38 | Lunessa | Warning: never try to out-drink Robert Aspirin. |
| 17:47.47 | alestane | Hrm, yes, and too long to get in an omnibus. |
| 17:47.51 | Jamash | I read one Amber novel in the middle of the series, which was (in hindsight) an obvious mistake. |
| 17:48.01 | krka | speaking of books, i have to recommend robin hobb and brandon sanderson, since no one else have mentioned them yet |
| 17:48.06 | Wobin | Jamash: You must have been terribly confused =) |
| 17:48.12 | Wobin | I like Sanderson |
| 17:48.13 | Jamash | Wobin: yes |
| 17:48.18 | Wobin | Robin Hobb I can leave |
| 17:48.36 | alestane | Aspirin I found hilarious in middle/high school, don't know how much I'd still appreciate him. A lot of cheap puns and so forth. |
| 17:48.37 | Lopeppeppy | I like most of Hobb's stuff. |
| 17:48.38 | Lunessa | Hobb is good. |
| 17:48.42 | Wobin | Jamash: I've been reading the entire omnibus, and I'm still confused at times |
| 17:48.55 | Wobin | alestane: much like Piers Anthony? =) |
| 17:48.57 | krka | soldier's son was sort of mediocre, but the farseer/liveship is awesome |
| 17:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'm liking supernatural detectives more lately, Simon Green and Jim Butcher. |
| 17:49.25 | Wobin | I like Jim Butcher |
| 17:49.25 | Wobin | and Simon Green has always been good |
| 17:49.25 | Lunessa | Aspirin MYTH books were entertaining. Phule's Company about the same. Still, glad to have read them. |
| 17:49.25 | alestane | Sean Russell's Initiate Brother duology was absolutely fascinating. |
| 17:49.32 | Wobin | Spider Robinson? |
| 17:49.56 | Lunessa | I've read all the classics. |
| 17:49.57 | Wobin | I feel you have to get into a mood for his books, but once you do... |
| 17:50.02 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Read Patricia Briggs at all? Borders into the "paranormal romance genre but more readability, more action, less sex. |
| 17:50.15 | Wobin | hehe laurel K Hamilton |
| 17:50.26 | Wobin | Anita blake was good for the first few books |
| 17:50.36 | Wobin | Then it became all about the clown car that was Anita's bed |
| 17:50.48 | alestane | Laurell K Hamilton...aka "There was a plot under here somewhere, but I lost it under all the sex." |
| 17:50.53 | Wobin | yep |
| 17:50.57 | Jamash | Adam-Troy Castro is a good one if you like being creeped the hell out. |
| 17:50.58 | Wobin | The first few books were good! |
| 17:51.02 | Shirik | Anyone know a good way to validate an XML file against a schema? |
| 17:51.05 | Wobin | then she powered up too fast |
| 17:51.13 | alestane | Shirik: XML Nanny. |
| 17:51.33 | Wobin | A Kiss of Twilight (I think is her other series) makes no attempt at plot =P |
| 17:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: on linux, lint |
| 17:51.42 | Shirik | XML Nanny is OS X only? |
| 17:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | err, xmlint |
| 17:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | s/l/ll/ |
| 17:51.59 | alestane | I used the Altova command lines when I had to do things like that on Windows. |
| 17:52.11 | alestane | XML Nanny is sadly OS X only. |
| 17:52.12 | zenzelezz | darn, and I was just going to ask if that was "XML int" or "XM lint" |
| 17:52.20 | Jamash | Shirik: I use jEdit with the XML plugin |
| 17:52.21 | krka | xmlstarlet perhaps? |
| 17:52.29 | krka | not i have used it myself |
| 17:52.54 | DWSR | Eclipse with WebTools. |
| 17:53.08 | DWSR | or whatever their webdev tools are called. |
| 17:53.15 | Jamash | I spent quite some time searching for a decent reasonably lightweight cross-platform XML validator and jEdit was all I came up with |
| 17:53.19 | DWSR | Eclipse, the swiss army knife of dev environments. |
| 17:53.21 | Shirik | Here's my use case: I just wrote an XML schema, and I'm pretty sure it's wrong. So I want to validate a known-valid XML file and correct the schema. (I intend to do this backwards by seeing what errors are generated on the XML file and then resolving those errors in the schema) |
| 17:53.28 | Shirik | I refuse to get Eclipse |
| 17:53.32 | Jamash | more like a swiss army chainsaw |
| 17:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Visual Studio |
| 17:53.39 | DWSR | Love you Shirik. :D |
| 17:53.47 | Dewin | Shirik: try cooktop? |
| 17:53.48 | alestane | Oh, Visual Studio Express Web Edition can check schema I think. |
| 17:53.48 | Jamash | Eclipse is the Emacs of text editors |
| 17:53.57 | Shirik | I have visual studio pro >.> |
| 17:53.58 | zenzelezz | any Visual Studio |
| 17:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | Not into romance, alestane, so she did not appeal to me. |
| 17:54.05 | Jamash | and yes, I know what I just said |
| 17:54.07 | DWSR | Jamash: You mean IDEs? |
| 17:54.14 | zenzelezz | VS is actually really cool to write XML files in if you have the XSD |
| 17:54.19 | Dewin | Hmm... are you validating against an XSD or a DTD? |
| 17:54.19 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Briggs or Hamilton? |
| 17:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | Briggs. Hamilton doesn't have romance, she has straight out f**king, no bones about plot or reason, just sex. |
| 17:54.46 | Shirik | Dewin: XSD |
| 17:54.53 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy speaks truth |
| 17:54.59 | Dewin | Don't know if cooktop will work then, but you can still try it |
| 17:55.02 | Shirik | actually, everyone already has this schema ) |
| 17:55.03 | Shirik | :) |
| 17:55.10 | zenzelezz | ui.xsd? |
| 17:55.20 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22680 |
| 17:55.23 | Shirik | I just don't know if it's right |
| 17:55.35 | alestane | I find that Tamora Pierce writes young-adult romantic fantasy which is actually very insightful and holds up well as an adult reader. |
| 17:55.50 | JackBurton7676 | to make a complete backup of my character keybindings interface and layouts what do i need to copy/backup? cache, interface, wdb, and wtf folders? anything else? |
| 17:56.29 | Wobin | "Shows how much you know, all we gotta do is go to WM window and click on the addon link at the bottom of the screen, which takes us directly to the addons page in Curse or whatever hosts the addon, and voila I am downloading it. Try again pls that was fail. " |
| 17:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf and addons |
| 17:56.33 | ScytheBlade1 | that is it |
| 17:56.36 | Wobin | facepalms |
| 17:56.42 | DWSR | JackBurton7676: Don't think you need the WDB. |
| 17:56.53 | DWSR | JackBurton7676: Just WTF and Interface/Addons |
| 17:56.54 | Wobin | alestane: I like Tamora Pierce's stories |
| 17:56.56 | Jamash | or the cache |
| 17:56.56 | Wobin | I still reread them |
| 17:57.19 | Dewin | alestane: I started reading them recently too, my wife read them a long time ago and they're still part of our library. |
| 17:57.20 | AckisWork | Shirik: tldr |
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| 17:57.36 | Dewin | Right now I'm loving Carol Berg's stuff though. |
| 17:57.49 | Dewin | (warning: book may become glued to hands) |
| 17:57.52 | Adys | anyone on windows who uses mpqedit? |
| 17:57.57 | Adys | I need a very short and small test |
| 17:58.06 | Wobin | Oh, yes, I read Transformation |
| 17:58.22 | zenzelezz | it took me three attempts to get past the first quarter of "The Reality Dysfunction" because I didn't fancy the sex scenes/talk |
| 17:58.39 | Dewin | Wobin: Read the rest of the series. |
| 17:58.46 | Wobin | and there's also Lynn Flewelling |
| 17:58.47 | Dewin | Adys: Whatcha need? |
| 17:59.01 | Wobin | Anyone read Scott Lynch? |
| 17:59.05 | alestane | Lopeppeppy loves Lynn Flewelling, I haven't gotten to read her yet. |
| 17:59.16 | Adys | Dewin: I need you to create a folder somewhere accessible, call it whatever you want |
| 17:59.26 | Shirik | "The schemas property will be ignored because your document does not declare any matching target namespaces" <-- Visual studio complains about that in the XML file |
| 17:59.27 | Shirik | what's that? |
| 17:59.30 | Wobin | Or Trudi Canavan |
| 17:59.40 | Adys | Dewin: within this folder, create two folders, one called "foo", one called "bar" |
| 17:59.44 | Lopeppeppy | Lynn Flewelling rocks. |
| 17:59.49 | AckisWork | ~dict dumbass |
| 17:59.52 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, you need to specify an XML namespace that it applies to |
| 17:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | Elizabeth Bear as well. |
| 17:59.58 | Adys | Dewin: and within the "foo" folder, create another folder or file called "baz" |
| 18:00.07 | alestane | Shirik: DO you have a shemaInstance attribute or whatever it's called? |
| 18:00.08 | Adys | (please match the names) |
| 18:00.29 | Dewin | Major components in our library: Mercedes Lackey (we own almost all of her stuff), Carol Berg, Elizabeth Hayden, RA Salvatore and then some more. |
| 18:00.43 | Dewin | okay Adys. |
| 18:00.54 | Wobin | I've read most of Lackey |
| 18:00.55 | Adys | Dewin: once you've done that, open MPQEdit, click open (ctrl o) and navigate to that root folder (containing foo and bar) |
| 18:01.03 | Wobin | I like the Elemental Masters series |
| 18:01.07 | Adys | tell me when you're done |
| 18:01.15 | Dewin | there. |
| 18:01.27 | Shirik | alestane: I have |
| 18:01.29 | Shirik | <UpdateData bundleName="MMOUI Manager - World of Warcraft" protocol="1.0" |
| 18:01.30 | Shirik | xmlns="http://minion.mmoui.com/update/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\mmoimgr\mmoimgr\update.xsd"> |
| 18:01.51 | Adys | Dewin: you should have a shell view window, make sure nothing is selected, click within the empty space around the folder once so that this area is active but nothing is selected |
| 18:01.52 | alestane | Doesn't the schemaLocation need a whitespace in it or something? |
| 18:01.54 | Wobin | Shirik: do you have to escape the backslashes? |
| 18:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: it does |
| 18:02.01 | Shirik | I don't know alestane |
| 18:02.11 | Dewin | done |
| 18:02.11 | Shirik | I have NEVER used schemas before |
| 18:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: refer to any blizzard XML file for an example |
| 18:02.21 | Adys | Dewin: then press f, it should select the "foo" folder, press enter |
| 18:02.39 | Adys | Dewin: then press b, it should select the "baz" folder, tell me if I'm right and thats all I need |
| 18:02.42 | Dewin | backsplashes aren't special in XML, no need to escape... but URIs should be forward-slash |
| 18:02.50 | Dewin | Adys: That's correct. |
| 18:02.54 | Adys | thanks |
| 18:02.57 | Dewin | Assuming we're talking the same MPQEditor |
| 18:03.06 | alestane | schemaLocation should read "namespaceURI location" |
| 18:03.13 | Adys | yeah doesnt matter the version, just wanted a matching shellview |
| 18:03.22 | Shirik | I just copied it from Blizzard's |
| 18:03.36 | AbsolutRayne | Sigh |
| 18:03.43 | alestane | Shirik: Then you missed part. |
| 18:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: next line |
| 18:03.50 | AbsolutRayne | So whos server is infested with the new Trade Chat Spell Spam |
| 18:03.55 | AbsolutRayne | With Test Tickle |
| 18:03.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ie |
| 18:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowcompares.com/3119806/AddOns/Blizzard_AchievementUI/Blizzard_AchievementUI.xml |
| 18:04.00 | Dewin | Adys: What are you trying to do, out of curiosity? |
| 18:04.05 | Shirik | yes, sorry, I changed it to this |
| 18:04.12 | Shirik | <UpdateData bundleName="MMOUI Manager - World of Warcraft" protocol="1.0" |
| 18:04.13 | Shirik | xmlns="http://minion.mmoui.com/update/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://minion.mmoui.com/update/update.xsd |
| 18:04.13 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\mmoimgr\mmoimgr\update.xsd"> |
| 18:04.18 | Adys | Dewin: fixing something in wine, and I didnt have a windows comp nearby |
| 18:04.25 | mikma | question, what do the Schemas mean anyway? |
| 18:04.32 | Shirik | is that still wrong |
| 18:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That should work |
| 18:04.41 | Shirik | mikma: It defines what is "legal" in an XML file |
| 18:04.43 | zenzelezz | mikma: sort of like a DTD |
| 18:04.48 | Shirik | e.g., what elements are allowed to be there, etc. |
| 18:04.50 | alestane | It should read something like xsi:schemaLocation="http://minion.mmoui.com/update/ C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\mmoimgr\mmoimgr\update.xsd" |
| 18:04.51 | Wobin | argh 4am again |
| 18:04.54 | Wobin | night all |
| 18:04.55 | amro | Adys: you don't use windows? :O |
| 18:04.57 | Shirik | what attributes are required, what are optional |
| 18:04.59 | amro | night Wobin |
| 18:05.01 | mikma | wobin: lol u suck |
| 18:05.09 | Adys | amro: u |
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| 18:05.19 | mikma | wobin: not going that well... again 4am |
| 18:05.30 | Wobin | I know =( |
| 18:05.33 | Shirik | ok I changed it to that, alestane. Now it's yelling at me "the schema referenced contains errors" :( Time to open that up |
| 18:05.35 | alestane | schemaLocation is a series of space-separated values which are parsed in pairs, namespace URI, then .xsd location. |
| 18:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | and now for something worse than microwaveable mac and cheese |
| 18:05.52 | Shirik | or the file does not exist, lol |
| 18:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Generic brand mac and cheese, which recommends a half cup of butter per box |
| 18:06.19 | alestane | I believe there's an .xsd file that declares the schema for .xsd files, you could validate it against that. |
| 18:06.44 | Shirik | nah visual studio is alreadyp ointing out the error in the XSD file |
| 18:06.48 | Shirik | and I thought it would be an error |
| 18:07.07 | Wobin | ahaha ZuzuPetals:" pleeeeeeeeease stop posting. " |
| 18:07.13 | Shirik | Let me show you the problem, maybe you can offer a solution, because when I Was generating it in Netbeans I couldn't find a way to create this scheam correctly |
| 18:07.19 | Jamash | yo dawg, we heard you like xml so we put a schema inside your schema so you can validate while you validate |
| 18:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | entirely unrelated, yet awesome: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206885&cid=27668049 |
| 18:07.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Jamash: wow |
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| 18:07.41 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 18:07.49 | Hirsute | ... I just saw a thread "Addon updaters for PPC Macintosh"... People can still play WoW on an old PPC Mac? |
| 18:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: yup |
| 18:08.02 | alestane | Hirsute: I do. |
| 18:08.04 | Hirsute | Wow |
| 18:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: and SC, and War3 |
| 18:08.20 | Shirik | The highlighted lines are the problem: http://wowi.pastey.net/112857 |
| 18:08.31 | Shirik | Now here's what I wanted it to do |
| 18:08.33 | Hirsute | Just with the increased min requirements after Wrath, I didn't expect machines that old to be able to run it very well. |
| 18:08.45 | Shirik | <Digest type="md5">0123456789abcdef</Digest> |
| 18:09.04 | Shirik | However, I can't find a way to allow for attribute "type" in addition to contents of hex string |
| 18:09.13 | alestane | WoW's framerate on my Mini went UP when 3.0 came out, actually. |
| 18:09.21 | Shirik | it seems like it's either attribute and contain elements, or no attribute and contain content |
| 18:09.34 | Jamash | I have a PPC iMac G5 and it runs WoW... sort of |
| 18:09.48 | alestane | Shirik: Try putting the attribute after the restriction. |
| 18:10.27 | Shirik | it seems like <xsd:restriction> is not valid inside <xsd:complexType> |
| 18:10.34 | alestane | I think attributes are supposed to come at the end of a complexType. |
| 18:10.57 | alestane | http://w3schools.com/schema/default.asp |
| 18:11.01 | Shirik | netbeans agrees because it does not give me <xsd:restriction> as a choice from within <xsd:complexType> |
| 18:11.48 | Greywolf65 | I'm writing my first addon and I'm running into a problem with it detecting an event properly. Does anyone have time to help? |
| 18:12.03 | Hirsute | Interesting |
| 18:12.04 | Jamash | Greywolf65: sure |
| 18:12.16 | Greywolf65 | Here's what I got. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112859 |
| 18:12.52 | alestane | Shirik: YOu don't want to both put a tpye attribute on your element and nest a complexType inside it, I think. |
| 18:14.43 | Greywolf65 | I know event_handler is being called... because if I comment out "if (event ~= "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT") then return; my debug chat message will go off like crazy |
| 18:15.05 | Jamash | Greywolf65: you need to change local function event_handler(event, ...) to local function event_handler(self, event, ...) |
| 18:15.13 | alestane | Shirik: Try it like this http://wowi.pastey.net/112861 my XSD is rusty though. |
| 18:15.41 | Greywolf65 | Jamash really? I'll try that right now. can you tell me why that is tho? |
| 18:15.45 | Jamash | there's a list of script handler arguments at http://www.wowwiki.com/2.0_consolidated_changes#Frame_Features |
| 18:16.17 | Greywolf65 | I'm never sure what to pass in to these functions, or why heh |
| 18:17.04 | Jamash | Greywolf65: so that when an event is called, you know what widget the event was fired on |
| 18:17.05 | alestane | Shirik: You can put a restriction inside a comlexType by nesting it inside a complexContent. The w3schools site has quite a bit of info. |
| 18:17.17 | Shirik | I'm not sure why I put that restriction there actually |
| 18:17.20 | Shirik | I just took it out |
| 18:17.52 | alestane | I remember you always need a complexType if you want attributes. |
| 18:18.08 | Shirik | right |
| 18:18.12 | Shirik | I just saw that on the w3c site |
| 18:18.23 | Shirik | and I see how to add an attribute, but it doesn't really say what to put that attribute /in/ |
| 18:18.42 | Shirik | I see your <xsd:complexType base="..."> |
| 18:19.10 | Shirik | but my editors do not believe that attribute exists |
| 18:19.13 | alestane | I THINK that's how you do it. |
| 18:19.19 | alestane | I'm very rusty. |
| 18:19.33 | mikma | [21:06:48] [Razorscale] Fireball hit [You] 11101 Fire. (1233 Resisted) |
| 18:19.35 | mikma | [21:06:51] [Razorscale] Fireball hit [You] 11258 Fire. (1601 Overkill) |
| 18:20.00 | NeoTron | <3 Razorscale |
| 18:20.19 | kd3 | rgah, forums taking a dive? |
| 18:21.52 | Lunessa | ok, off to teach sheeple how to do mailmerge. |
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| 18:22.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, funtimes. |
| 18:22.22 | kd3 | let off a random 'baaaaaa' while you're doing it? |
| 18:22.43 | Wobin | http://wowace.pastey.net/112865 can anyone help with tracking down why this pkgmeta file is coming up as invalid? |
| 18:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: related: http://www.savagechickens.com/2006/04/chickens-on-moon.html |
| 18:23.30 | Shirik | ah, looks like I'm looking for <xsd:complexContent> alestane |
| 18:23.57 | kd3 | whee... now to figure out how to unbreak winegecko |
| 18:24.10 | alestane | Shirik: complexContent goes inside complexType,<xs:extension base="type"> goes inside that. |
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| 18:24.24 | alestane | Here's an example: http://w3schools.com/schema/el_complexcontent.asp |
| 18:24.29 | Shirik | oh from what I'm reading they had |
| 18:24.36 | Shirik | <xsd:complexContent> |
| 18:24.36 | Shirik | <xsd:restriction base="xsd:hexBinary"> |
| 18:24.58 | alestane | In your case you probaby don't need the extension. |
| 18:25.12 | alestane | [2:17pm] alestane: Shirik: You can put a restriction inside a comlexType by nesting it inside a complexContent. The w3schools site has quite a bit of info. |
| 18:25.24 | Shirik | I missed that :( |
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| 18:26.53 | Zhinjio | ok, got a dude who likes the default blizzard bags, but wants them to open elsewhere on the screen. Thoughts? |
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| 18:27.16 | Wobin | nm, tab errors |
| 18:27.20 | alestane | MoveAnything? |
| 18:27.57 | alestane | Or FluidFrames? |
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| 18:29.28 | kd3 | nan da... a new patch 2 days in a row? |
| 18:29.40 | nicoli_s | another new patch? |
| 18:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | woo, ambushed by fedora.. 78 updates |
| 18:29.43 | alestane | kd3: Laucnher patch today. |
| 18:29.47 | kd3 | oh |
| 18:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | Good, maybe I can use my launcher again. |
| 18:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | That would be peachy keen spiffy. |
| 18:30.26 | kd3 | meh. mine kept not being able to find launcher.worldofwarcraft.com... figured it was a wine thing |
| 18:30.46 | Lopeppeppy | My launcher just crashes every time I look at it crosseyed. |
| 18:30.55 | Lopeppeppy | I have to use wow.exe to open the game. |
| 18:31.10 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.55 | Shirik | looks like it works now alestane |
| 18:32.58 | Shirik | <3 |
| 18:33.30 | alestane | Good. I wrote a pretty complex schema at one of my last jobs, but that was over a year ago and I was teaching myself XSD as I did it. |
| 18:35.33 | amro | schemas ftw |
| 18:36.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NotAlwaysRight/~3/l7ItlZW1-0U/1852 |
| 18:36.47 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 18:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/another-darwin-award-candidate/1852 |
| 18:38.04 | alestane | Most retail establishments have policies against attempting "heroic measures" in responses to armed demands. |
| 18:38.12 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:38.14 | Lopeppeppy | Um, a lot. |
| 18:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Most do indeed |
| 18:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | Give 'em the goods, smile and wave bye bye. |
| 18:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious what constitutes "basic" though |
| 18:38.57 | Lopeppeppy | Blackbelt ninjustus |
| 18:39.12 | alestane | Chicken Wing grip is my default when I'm trying to pin someone. |
| 18:39.49 | alestane | It's honestly not that hard. |
| 18:40.44 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/parents-the-gateway-drug/1849 |
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| 18:47.24 | Shirik | Visual studio doesn't seem to be truly checking the XML file :/ |
| 18:47.35 | Shirik | I created some random element <Foo> and it says there's no problem |
| 18:49.01 | alestane | I'm not sure how thoroughly it validates, and it seems to have a knack for forgetting what schema you're using. |
| 18:49.26 | foxlit | Shirik: "Will this updater be able to prevent key loggers and such, especially ones that are uploaded through ads?" |
| 18:49.32 | foxlit | I think you answered something else :) |
| 18:49.51 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:50.30 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I answered something else, though it may not be the way he expected it to be answered |
| 18:51.03 | foxlit | Your answer was mainly about module security |
| 18:51.15 | foxlit | The question, as I read it, was mostly about exploits through the advertising functionality |
| 18:51.20 | Shirik | right but since modules are what do everything, if you secure what it does then you secure the program |
| 18:51.44 | foxlit | So that's not an embedded browser that's displaying advertising? |
| 18:53.49 | Shirik | it is, I'm revising my answer accordingly |
| 18:54.58 | tekkub | aw, they removed my addons from WM |
| 18:55.03 | tekkub | that was all I had to do? |
| 18:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | tekkub: lol win |
| 18:55.10 | tekkub | I wanted user drama god damnit! |
| 18:55.18 | alestane | What did you do? |
| 18:55.24 | Hirsute | tekkub: What did you do that got them to remove them? |
| 18:55.30 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk, Shirik: There's a guy named DonCorneo posting file comments telling people to host their addons on WoWUI "so I can continue using them" |
| 18:55.41 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.42 | tekkub | poisoned the source they were pulling from |
| 18:55.43 | Hirsute | A DMCA takedown? |
| 18:55.49 | alestane | Kick him in the balls! |
| 18:55.50 | Shirik | there you go foxlit |
| 18:55.55 | Shirik | is that a better explanation? |
| 18:55.55 | Hirsute | doncorneo is an asshole, plain and simple. |
| 18:56.07 | tekkub | anyone that used WM on my shits would have goten version 666 |
| 18:56.17 | Shirik | Torhal: Can you please report one of the comments? |
| 18:56.20 | tekkub | which contained nothing more than a nice note |
| 18:56.32 | Hirsute | tekkub: Awesome |
| 18:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: http://github.com/tekkub/tekticles/tree/666 |
| 18:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: ^ |
| 18:56.40 | tekkub | and by my standards, a VERY nice note |
| 18:56.50 | Shirik | or Torhal just link it to me |
| 18:56.59 | foxlit | Shirik: yes, it's on-topic now :) |
| 18:57.14 | Hirsute | Nice. |
| 18:57.17 | Torhal | Shirik: Reported it, but it's here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3897&jump=148196#comments |
| 18:57.18 | TecnoBrat | tekkub, "WM is a bunch of leeches, get your mods at a real site"? |
| 18:57.19 | foxlit | There is, of course, not much you can say over "I cannot control the behavior of external software". |
| 18:57.22 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Upload your 3.1 compatible mods | Happy Birthday SÃÂoraÃÂacht!!! |
| 18:57.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:57.30 | Shirik | stupid mirc |
| 18:57.34 | tekkub | TecnoBrat: see link |
| 18:58.01 | Trela_ | mIRC is stupid at times. :P |
| 18:58.13 | TecnoBrat | tekkub, that *IS* a very nice note |
| 18:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ at times/, always/ |
| 18:58.24 | Torhal | It appears that he just copy-pasted that comment, as it's identical everywhere I've seen it. Plus, WoWI is obviously not Curse. |
| 18:58.29 | tekkub | see what I mean? |
| 18:58.46 | Shirik | can you link me one more Torhal? |
| 18:58.47 | Hirsute | He really is just a complete ass. |
| 18:58.55 | batrick | 11:57:30 <@Shirik> stupid mirc <-- Someone add that to the topic |
| 18:59.13 | mikma | imho cairenn's comment should be added |
| 18:59.30 | mikma | <0827> <@Cairenn> I hate everyone |
| 18:59.39 | batrick | whoa =( |
| 18:59.53 | alestane | This guy actually thinks authors give a flying f--k about whether or not he uses their adddons, after he declares that he won't use the source they're offering them through through his own decision? |
| 18:59.53 | batrick | Add both |
| 19:00.22 | Hirsute | alestane: His comments on the curse forums have been equally douche-y |
| 19:00.59 | Shirik | Torhal: nm I got it |
| 19:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | someone give me a banhammer |
| 19:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I promise to give it back in 5 minutes |
| 19:01.25 | Shirik | funny thing is that's the same guy that posted the question foxlit and I were talking about |
| 19:01.32 | Shirik | too bad he won't be able to see the response for a while |
| 19:02.05 | mikma | "Banned" |
| 19:02.14 | mikma | that's something i haven't seen in wowi forums before |
| 19:02.29 | JackBurton7676 | nice |
| 19:02.39 | Shirik | it's only for 3 days |
| 19:02.44 | Shirik | enough for him to get the message and chill out |
| 19:02.53 | mikma | that rank should be renamed to "Banana monkey" |
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| 19:04.12 | foxlit | The new MBP's trackpad clicking is just... odd. |
| 19:04.26 | Shirik | Torhal! Bad! |
| 19:04.32 | Shirik | We get them to say that on their own! |
| 19:04.36 | Torhal | Shirik: ? |
| 19:04.49 | Shirik | "He could be playing on a private server with an older client version.../sigh" |
| 19:04.49 | Trela_ | Apple: We took our great design and made it horrible! |
| 19:04.51 | Torhal | Shirik: Oh, hell. Delete it |
| 19:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: link! |
| 19:04.58 | Trela_ | :O |
| 19:05.11 | Torhal | Didn't think when I posted, D'oh! |
| 19:05.11 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22703 |
| 19:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. |
| 19:06.59 | Trela_ | WoWInterface has Subversion? |
| 19:07.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:07.17 | Trela_ | I never knew! |
| 19:07.26 | Trela_ | I never can find it either. :D |
| 19:07.27 | aesir | It's cleverly hidden. |
| 19:07.58 | Trela_ | clicks Projects tab. |
| 19:08.00 | Trela_ | Damn it. |
| 19:09.07 | alestane | Just tried to one-line a script by typing bash cd /etc/mail; more commands, and bash threw a cd: no such file or directoy" error...any idea why? |
| 19:09.38 | Shirik | alestane: If you try to cd to /foo/bar/baz |
| 19:09.41 | Shirik | and bar doesn't exist |
| 19:10.00 | Shirik | or was that your only cd? |
| 19:10.18 | alestane | It does, though. I can type the same command into my normal prompt instead of feeding it to bash and it works fine. |
| 19:10.54 | alestane | I suppose I can always just add another "; cd" to the end of the script and take the "bash " off the beginning. |
| 19:11.21 | Shirik | I don't have an answer for you :( |
| 19:11.52 | Shirik | ~weather KDAB |
| 19:12.51 | alestane | I think maybe it's a quoting issue. |
| 19:13.02 | zenzelezz | post what you're trying right now? |
| 19:14.17 | mikma | DonCorneo is awesome |
| 19:14.24 | mikma | he should be made the president of the galaxy |
| 19:14.58 | alestane | Actually, bash seems to be saying that the problem is that there's no such file or directory as "cd". |
| 19:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | paste your entire command? |
| 19:15.57 | alestane | bash cd /etc/mail; make; newaliases; service sendmail restart |
| 19:16.09 | alestane | and I think I see at least part of the problem. |
| 19:16.13 | Shirik | alestane: Does it say "bash: cd: no such file or directory" |
| 19:16.17 | Shirik | or "cd: no such file or directory" |
| 19:16.25 | alestane | The former. |
| 19:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | cd is a shell command |
| 19:16.35 | Shirik | Then yes, that would indicate it doesn't know what cd is |
| 19:16.37 | Shirik | OH |
| 19:16.39 | Shirik | right |
| 19:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | not a system binary |
| 19:16.44 | Shirik | because you're telling bash to execute the script cd |
| 19:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 19:17.07 | alestane | Let me read a man page for a second, I think I understand the problem now. |
| 19:17.12 | zenzelezz | if you make it a shell script, #!/bin/bash\n<rest of your line>, does that work? |
| 19:17.13 | durcyn | take out the 'bash' junk and put some #! magic on the first line |
| 19:17.13 | foxlit | Now to get this mess into an SVG... |
| 19:17.25 | alestane | It's trying to read the file rather than treat the text as input. |
| 19:17.34 | Shirik | right |
| 19:17.43 | Stanzilla | foxlit: http://pastey.net/112676 a friend sent me those, dunno what he did |
| 19:17.49 | alestane | So if I want to run it that way, I could maybe say |
| 19:17.53 | foxlit | Stanzilla: I know about those. |
| 19:17.59 | Stanzilla | ok :) |
| 19:18.03 | alestane | bash < echo cd /etc/mail; etc. |
| 19:18.05 | foxlit | Stanzilla: I'm really split between releasing a two-character fix and waiting |
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| 19:18.14 | ScytheBlade1 | What is your regular shell? |
| 19:18.25 | Nuckin | hola #wowuidev |
| 19:18.29 | foxlit | (the fix is to replace "cid, cid2" with "cid2, cid" in some function call) |
| 19:18.49 | foxlit | I'm not-so-gracefully avoiding the problem of figuring out what to call that release by not releasing it. |
| 19:18.54 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: My understanding was he was trying to basically do a "pushd popd" by invoking another bash and then getting out |
| 19:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | SYNOPSIS bash [options] [file] |
| 19:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "cd" is not a file. |
| 19:19.47 | foxlit | grr, coordinate systems |
| 19:20.14 | Shirik | alestane, take this with a grain of salt because I use pipes for like everything and get yelled at for it a lot |
| 19:20.25 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: The exercise originally said to make a script file and just run it from the shell, like durcyn thought, but I just want to run a series of commands, without making the class walk through making the file, probably putting typos in it, forgetting to set execute permissions, etc. |
| 19:20.47 | Nuckin | is there anything in java that uses visibility modifiers beyond Classes, Functions, and some variables? |
| 19:20.51 | alestane | So I can either just put the commands on one line and run it in the same shell: |
| 19:21.03 | Shirik | but I would do something like echo "cd /whatever; my other commands;" | bash - |
| 19:21.13 | Shirik | but that's me |
| 19:21.14 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: bash -c "cd /etc/mail; etc" |
| 19:21.15 | foxlit | There's nothing else in java beyond classes, methods and fields. |
| 19:21.23 | alestane | cd /etc/mail; make; newaliases; service sendmail restart; cd |
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| 19:21.43 | Shirik | foxlit: comments! |
| 19:21.43 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: bash -c "cd /etc/mail; make; newaliases; service sendmail restart" |
| 19:21.45 | foxlit | prepares to be corrected. |
| 19:21.46 | alestane | Or I pipe echo, or if bash supports a -c switch like ScytheBlade1 says, that seems like a good option. |
| 19:21.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Should work great for you |
| 19:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | No need for the trailing cd either |
| 19:22.17 | Shirik | Nuckin: Interfaces do |
| 19:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | As the context of the current dir is kept in that copy of bash you invoke, and not propograted to your original shell |
| 19:22.23 | alestane | That's what I was looking for. I did not originally realize that bash tried to run from a file, I figured it would be like sudo. |
| 19:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Every shell is different, some are VERY different than others |
| 19:23.24 | alestane | Pretty much all my experience is with bash, either on OS X or Fedora core 8. |
| 19:23.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That may not work for any other shell (the -c switch) - it may be named something else, it may not exist, or it may just work without said switch |
| 19:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, same. My default shell at school is ksh which drives me nuts |
| 19:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I wrote some .login/.profile trickery so that I'll only ever see bash |
| 19:24.40 | kd3 | ugh, hate ksh |
| 19:24.46 | Shirik | csh! |
| 19:24.50 | alestane | The -c switch is mentioned in the bash man for OS X bash as well. |
| 19:25.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It should be pretty universal for bash |
| 19:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It is an old switch, iirc |
| 19:25.50 | Nuckin | Shirik: thanks, i knew i was missing 1 |
| 19:25.59 | Shirik | well you could be missing more than one |
| 19:26.08 | Shirik | It depends on how you define "classes" |
| 19:26.15 | Shirik | Because I could say enumeration types also use them |
| 19:26.19 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:26.24 | Shirik | but technically enumeration types are just classes derived from java.lang.Enum |
| 19:26.33 | Cairenn|afk | hey AckisWork? nice catch on discovering that they are removing copyright notices |
| 19:26.57 | AckisWork | Cairenn|afk: it was all Arrowmaster he just let me post :D |
| 19:27.04 | Shirik | I could also say annotations, but again annotations are just classes |
| 19:27.16 | Cairenn|afk | hey Arrowmaster? nice catch on discovering that they are removing copyright notices |
| 19:27.24 | Cairenn|afk | *grin* |
| 19:27.36 | AckisWork | lol |
| 19:27.56 | Nuckin | Shirik: well im making a code parser for my final project in my class to generate UML diagrams and check some basic syntax |
| 19:28.19 | Shirik | ok so you probably ddon't have to go to that much detail :) |
| 19:28.30 | Cairenn|afk | btw, AckisWork, I've tried to catch you a few times, not sure if you ever saw the messages or not, but I put up your requested thread, in the dev forums, general discussion |
| 19:28.34 | Cairenn|afk | "as requested" |
| 19:29.05 | mikma | where is your proof?!? |
| 19:29.12 | AckisWork | Cairenn|afk: ty |
| 19:30.27 | Nuckin | Shirik:no but i would like to go into as much detail as possible |
| 19:30.39 | Shirik | interfaces I think are reasonable to do, yes |
| 19:30.43 | Shirik | annotations, not so much |
| 19:30.48 | Shirik | very few people write custom annotations |
| 19:30.59 | Nuckin | I'll look them up |
| 19:31.18 | Shirik | I wouldn't advise it :P |
| 19:31.24 | Shirik | You probably haven't even learned annotations in your class |
| 19:31.31 | Nuckin | because if they just fall into the general syntax land of another structure, then it will be easy |
| 19:31.34 | Shirik | which is depressing because I get very angry at people that don't use @Override |
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| 19:34.02 | Nuckin | Shirik: havent found a need, my advanced classes are in C/C++ |
| 19:35.41 | Adys | hmmmmmmmmmmm. |
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| 19:36.31 | Adys | about 2 weeks ago Id have said they really need to fix the keyboard repetition thing with linux |
| 19:36.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:36.54 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/heal.jpg |
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| 19:37.01 | Adys | but its kinda fun. |
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| 19:40.15 | kd3 | lol |
| 19:40.18 | alestane | If a sendmail server is only listening for one domain, do I really have to set up "user@domain.net user" mapping in virtusertable? |
| 19:40.24 | Torhal | Gah. Does anyone have a recommendation for an IRC client for Linux? I'm getting sick of X-Chat locking up or using 3GB of RAM sporadically. |
| 19:40.31 | Adys | X-Chat |
| 19:40.35 | Shirik | Konversation |
| 19:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: yes, due to local user mappings (I think) |
| 19:40.42 | Torhal | Adys: Heh |
| 19:40.45 | Adys | konversation if you're under kde but |
| 19:40.47 | alestane | I use Pidgin when I'm chatting from Linux. |
| 19:40.55 | Adys | best would be to track down why it takes 3gb of ram |
| 19:40.57 | kd3 | I've never seen xchat leak that much ram |
| 19:40.57 | Adys | it doesnt do that here |
| 19:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ... irssi! |
| 19:41.00 | kd3 | why's it leaking? |
| 19:41.04 | Torhal | It's only done that twice. |
| 19:41.14 | Adys | ive had xchat leak once |
| 19:41.16 | Adys | but thats all |
| 19:41.17 | Torhal | My latest issue is typing "/join #gnome" |
| 19:41.23 | Torhal | Locks the client completely. |
| 19:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | found your problem |
| 19:41.36 | Nuckin | does pidgin support IRC? |
| 19:41.37 | Adys | fix: dont join retarded channels |
| 19:41.38 | Torhal | Well, locks it and spikes mem usage |
| 19:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Try "/join #kde" instead |
| 19:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll work better |
| 19:41.46 | kd3 | make sure you've got away tracking disabled |
| 19:42.02 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: lol irony |
| 19:42.08 | alestane | Pidgin does support IRC. |
| 19:42.12 | kd3 | and 'show hostnames in user list' |
| 19:42.13 | Shirik | "My IRC isn't working on KDE. How can I get help?" "/join #kde" |
| 19:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:42.34 | Torhal | I'm running Gnome :P |
| 19:42.37 | Nuckin | alestane: cool, i'll have to try that, im on mibbit right now |
| 19:42.40 | Shirik | ok well that's your problem Torhal |
| 19:42.43 | Torhal | Heh |
| 19:42.53 | Shirik | I mean, ScytheBlade1's a gnome and you see everything that's wrong with him |
| 19:43.16 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/blame.png << victory is mine |
| 19:44.12 | alestane | So if I want to map the address "info@class.net" to the local user bjones, am I better off putting "info@class.net bjones" in virtusertable, putting "info: bjones" in /etc/alieases, or some combination? |
| 19:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | the former |
| 19:45.26 | alestane | Or "info@class.net info" in virtusertable and "info: bjones" in /etc/aliases? |
| 19:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Depends on how much flexability you need and where |
| 19:46.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd just shoot for mapping the e-mail to the direct user |
| 19:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But your circumstances may dictate otherwise |
| 19:47.26 | alestane | The example I've been given says to put "info@class.net bjones" in virtusertable and "info: bjones" in aliases. |
| 19:47.46 | alestane | Which I guess would be important if you were receiving mail from other people on the machine. |
| 19:48.03 | mikma | hahaha |
| 19:48.13 | mikma | "i wanna try her cause she looks like my cat" |
| 19:48.18 | mikma | me: 'you wanna kill your cat?' |
| 19:48.27 | mikma | (insert empty vent for 2mins) |
| 19:48.33 | mikma | empty = silent, sorry hehe |
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| 19:59.52 | alestane | Bleh, sendmail says it is accepting my mail, but it's still not going ot anyone. |
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| 20:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: "brute force" debugging step - run sendmail under strace. ie, `strace -feopen sendmail` |
| 20:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll print out every system call to open() made by sendmail or any forked children processes |
| 20:06.05 | alestane | Do I need to stop sendmail first? |
| 20:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Making it VERY easy to see what files it tries to access, when, and the results of it doing so |
| 20:06.34 | durcyn | the hell would you want to strace sendmail, just turn up logging |
| 20:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes you would, as that starts a new copy of sendmail |
| 20:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | logging could work too! |
| 20:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Though it really depends on the problem |
| 20:07.22 | *** part/#wowuidev JackBurton7676 (n=JackBurt@81.90.20.3) |
| 20:07.31 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/opie-history.png << teehee, it's ~50% old code. |
| 20:07.35 | durcyn | and strace -p, on the pid taht's already running |
| 20:07.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (n=callahan@74-132-207-20.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 20:07.43 | alestane | Okay, it opened a bunch of stuff and declared "Recipient names must be specified". |
| 20:08.13 | DWSR | foxlit: What's that showing? |
| 20:08.25 | durcyn | alestane: check the domain and the delivery agent |
| 20:08.31 | foxlit | Lines of code belonging to a particular version in a particular release |
| 20:08.35 | DWSR | ah |
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| 20:08.43 | DWSR | ehe |
| 20:08.50 | DWSR | That's how good the opie code is...or something |
| 20:08.54 | DWSR | I really heart opie |
| 20:09.05 | alestane | It's also apparently not listening on port 25 this way. |
| 20:09.16 | foxlit | Hm, I should fix colors there |
| 20:09.30 | DWSR | foxlit: Didn't ad much code during wrath7? |
| 20:09.33 | DWSR | add* |
| 20:09.59 | foxlit | 1.18 (7) (16 November 2008): misc fixes. |
| 20:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, you'd have to pass it all of the arguments that the sysinit script passes it |
| 20:10.28 | DWSR | dumb quesion, but charlie? srsly? |
| 20:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | although I freely admit that cranking up the logging is a better first step |
| 20:10.49 | foxlit | It's slightly skewed, since it doesn't pick up on files that have been removed entirely |
| 20:11.03 | foxlit | DWSR: delta is next! |
| 20:11.07 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: Or, start it normally and use strace -p |
| 20:11.08 | durcyn | even if you do use strace, use strace -p`pidof sendmail` or the like |
| 20:11.38 | DWSR | foxlit: shouldn't delta always be the development version? ;) |
| 20:12.05 | Fisker- | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:12.13 | foxlit | I'm just going to walk through the phonetic alphabet and hope that by the time I get to zulu it'll be complete. |
| 20:12.17 | durcyn | ~fisker-++ |
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| 20:12.30 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 20:12.34 | DWSR | slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker- |
| 20:12.51 | Fisker- | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:12.52 | DWSR | ~fisker-++ |
| 20:13.36 | Trela_ | ~rep Fisker- |
| 20:13.44 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/eyg-opie-history.png << fixed colors slightly. |
| 20:13.45 | durcyn | ~karma fisker- |
| 20:13.45 | purl | fisker- has karma of -3 |
| 20:13.54 | Fisker- | ~roulette Fisker- |
| 20:13.55 | purl | ACTION watches Fisker- pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 20:13.55 | durcyn | negative three, damn |
| 20:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 20:14.09 | AbsolutRayne | Any idea what the Blizzard Launcher is DLing? |
| 20:14.16 | Adys | porn |
| 20:14.17 | DWSR | nope |
| 20:14.31 | alestane | Okay, sendmail is logging receipt of the messages. |
| 20:14.31 | durcyn | just a new launcher, last i heard |
| 20:14.52 | DWSR | anyone know when the fuck these talent bugs are going to actually get fixt? |
| 20:15.15 | Kirov | what's the latest bug? |
| 20:15.30 | DWSR | still having partial talent resets when I change specs. |
| 20:16.05 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: maillog says the messages are "queued". |
| 20:16.23 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: what's the exact error? |
| 20:18.10 | alestane | Not an error, exactly, but the message says: |
| 20:18.11 | alestane | Apr 22 15:14:44 localhost sendmail[2678] :n3MJBWje002678:to=info@ittclass.org, delay=00:00:13, mailer=local, pri=30016, dsn=4.4.3, stat=queued |
| 20:19.13 | durcyn | what's your delivery agent? |
| 20:19.32 | DWSR | you mean MTA? |
| 20:19.47 | durcyn | no, i mean delivery, not transport |
| 20:19.52 | alestane | I haven't even tried to retrieve it except from /var/spool/mail, I'm submitting them via TELNET. |
| 20:19.53 | durcyn | which would be why i said delivery |
| 20:20.27 | alestane | The gibberish appears to be the queue file or something where it's being held. |
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| 20:20.38 | durcyn | that'd be the message id |
| 20:20.57 | durcyn | dsn is the important bit on that log line |
| 20:21.13 | Antiarc | Morning folks |
| 20:21.28 | alestane | And it means what? |
| 20:21.42 | mikma | ummmm |
| 20:21.57 | mikma | zoot needs to add us a "mute the bosses" |
| 20:22.02 | durcyn | delivery status notification, /duck |
| 20:23.23 | NeoTron | mikma: more like Mute Sara |
| 20:23.30 | alestane | And how do I fond out what the heck 4.4.3 means for that? |
| 20:23.38 | mikma | neotron: sara.. as in? |
| 20:23.44 | NeoTron | yoggi |
| 20:23.52 | mikma | ok |
| 20:24.01 | mikma | but still we need a option to mute boss yells |
| 20:24.07 | mikma | ignis = annoying fucker |
| 20:24.56 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, ping |
| 20:25.06 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 20:25.29 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, can you filter debuffs to only be what you can dispell? |
| 20:25.42 | ckknight | you'll have to ask Shefki |
| 20:25.59 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 20:26.07 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, ping |
| 20:27.52 | Dashkal | meh, I dislike the champion level dailies |
| 20:28.01 | Dashkal | Those commanders SUCK |
| 20:30.10 | foxlit | I suspect they cheat by being able to remove shields from no distance |
| 20:30.16 | foxlit | But they're still trivial to deal with |
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| 20:32.37 | alestane | The messaegs are ending up in /var/spool/mqueue and staying there. |
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| 20:33.41 | mikma | FFS |
| 20:33.45 | mikma | wtb silencer for Ignis |
| 20:33.45 | Dashkal | foxlit: trivial? How do you do it? I haven't worked out a rotation that lets me solo them |
| 20:34.06 | foxlit | Same way you deal with any other mounted opponent, really. |
| 20:34.29 | Dashkal | I can't keep my shield up against them. They burn it faster than I can spam it up |
| 20:34.32 | foxlit | They inevitably try to run away from you to charge/shield break you. |
| 20:34.52 | foxlit | You charge them during this time, and you stay close to them to deny them the charge. |
| 20:34.57 | Dashkal | ok, I haven't seen that. He tends to just go toe to toe with me and destroys me |
| 20:35.16 | Dashkal | but small sample size is small, maybe that was a fluke |
| 20:35.34 | foxlit | If things are going too slowly, you can also run away just enough to cast shield break, then run back in before the opponent retaliates. |
| 20:36.08 | Dashkal | I've managed to learn that trick pretty well, but as you mentioned, he seems to have no minimum shield break range (actually, I think his melee is a shield break) |
| 20:36.13 | Dashkal | so my shields stay at 0 |
| 20:36.26 | alestane | Does sendmail rely on DNS at some point? |
| 20:37.13 | durcyn | mikma: i wonder if you couldn't just hook PlaySound and filter selectively, assuming the blizzard code uses that function as well |
| 20:37.27 | mikma | i hope so |
| 20:37.28 | alestane | Most of the stuff I'm googling about this status seems to think it's a DNS issue of some kind, although why I should need DNS to deliver mail to my machine's local users is beyond me. |
| 20:37.35 | mikma | that's the most annoying boss yelling in the game, yet |
| 20:39.06 | Shirik | mikma: what boss? |
| 20:39.28 | mikma | shirik: Ignis the Furnace Masturbator |
| 20:39.28 | Adys | [23:37:14] <durcyn> mikma: i wonder if you couldn't just hook PlaySound and filter selectively, assuming the blizzard code uses that function as well |
| 20:39.34 | Adys | thats assuming a lot :) |
| 20:39.50 | Shirik | PlaySound doesn't return anything |
| 20:39.53 | Shirik | so it shouldn't really matter |
| 20:39.55 | Adys | its very likely only used for interface effects |
| 20:39.57 | durcyn | Adys: the interface bits do, boss emotes who knows? |
| 20:39.58 | Antiarc | We all fear being put into the crotchpot. |
| 20:40.14 | Antiarc | PlaySound plays sounds even when sound is turned off, heh. |
| 20:40.19 | durcyn | Antiarc: I have Hot Pocket AND Heroic: Hot Pocket. hold me. |
| 20:40.30 | Antiarc | Though that's actually useful, I can play with game sound off and still get threat or rebuff sounds. |
| 20:40.36 | Shirik | durcyn: Me too ^_^ |
| 20:40.41 | Antiarc | durcyn: I haven't been able to survive a heroic hot pocket yet >:[ |
| 20:40.41 | Shirik | hugs Antiarc |
| 20:40.51 | Antiarc | Because if you cloak you don't get the achievement |
| 20:40.51 | Shirik | Antiarc: l2heal |
| 20:40.53 | Antiarc | So I just sit there in it |
| 20:40.56 | Antiarc | And die |
| 20:41.00 | Shirik | l2heal! |
| 20:41.02 | Antiarc | And then I'm dead AND have no achievement. |
| 20:41.09 | durcyn | eat a healthstone, chump. |
| 20:41.14 | Antiarc | I do that >:[ |
| 20:41.28 | Shirik | then your healers are shit |
| 20:41.29 | ajmitch | or be an offtank who's swearing at the mobs that just activated |
| 20:41.32 | Antiarc | Holy balls! |
| 20:41.33 | Antiarc | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/freddie-mac-acting-cfo-dead/story.aspx?guid={3120ECA7-88F0-48EB-9EBF-EF6471936360}&dist=msr_15 |
| 20:41.40 | Adys | also from raidchat |
| 20:41.57 | Adys | [Player]: "Can we do him with only one tower alive?" |
| 20:42.06 | Adys | [RL]: "Lets do him with the whole raid alive, harder" |
| 20:42.24 | Shirik | wow Antiarc |
| 20:42.34 | Antiarc | ahahahah |
| 20:42.35 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX1sgZVGBUw&t=0m01s |
| 20:44.00 | AbsolutRayne | http://i42.tinypic.com/ev5sg3.jpg My moms new Kitty back home |
| 20:44.02 | AbsolutRayne | :3 |
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| 20:44.28 | Shirik | Antiarc: lol @ contextual ads |
| 20:44.39 | Shirik | "If you died today, who would fund your future? Click here for a free life insurance quote!" |
| 20:45.03 | Antiarc | ROFL |
| 20:46.00 | kd3 | oh geez |
| 20:46.03 | kd3 | fail |
| 20:46.21 | mikma | shirik: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042209_234228.jpg <- imagine those being yelled with rapist voice |
| 20:46.31 | foxlit | contextual ads based on the irc conversation, Shirik? |
| 20:46.49 | tlund | is there anything to gain in putting the time into a local varaible if that is the ONLY time it is referenced? |
| 20:46.52 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.54 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.06 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/yip-opie-history.png << there, done spamming that now. |
| 20:47.16 | durcyn | tlund: not really |
| 20:47.26 | Shirik | foxlit: No, on the news article Antiarc listed |
| 20:47.42 | Shirik | tlund: If used once, then no |
| 20:47.53 | tlund | durcyn/Shirik: thanks. |
| 20:48.04 | Shirik | Local variables don't really exist; they're just stack space; so even if you don't make a variable for it, it will still go on the stack at some point |
| 20:49.03 | krka | lua> local iDoExist = true; print("Does iDoExist exist?", iDoExist) |
| 20:49.03 | lua_bot | krka: Does iDoExist exist?, true |
| 20:49.05 | Antiarc | There is no real benefit in shoving that into an upvalue if it's only ever used once though |
| 20:49.14 | Antiarc | Unless it's for code clarity, and I don't see how that's any more clear |
| 20:49.15 | Shirik | krka >< |
| 20:49.35 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 20:50.40 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, in p4 can you filter debuffs to only see things you can dispell? |
| 20:51.12 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: Sorta. |
| 20:51.46 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: Game doesn't necessarily expose what you can and can't dispel. |
| 20:52.22 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, if you can only dispell magic effects cant you filter to only show magic debuffs? |
| 20:52.23 | Shefki | Thunder_Child: If your dispelling is limited to a certain type of effect you can limit it to those effects, but they may not necessarily be dispellable. |
| 20:52.28 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 20:52.52 | Shefki | There's an isStealable flag which only seems relevent ot Mages. |
| 20:52.58 | Thunder_Child | time to ask for IsDispellable? |
| 20:53.00 | Antiarc | http://www.ktla.com/landing_mostinteresting/?Woman-Hired-Stripper-to-Impersonate-Her-=1&blockID=272097&feedID=1080 |
| 20:53.29 | Shefki | Since I don't have a class that can dispel I'm not sure if that shows as true for anyone other than Mages. |
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| 20:55.29 | mikma | heh |
| 20:55.37 | mikma | Ignis 7% with 3rd try, ever |
| 20:57.03 | Antiarc | Ignis isn't really too hard. I'm not sure why people are so scared of him. |
| 20:57.12 | Adys | Antiarc: you're starting to sound like pcj |
| 20:57.22 | Antiarc | I was hearing hear-say that people considered him to be one of the hardest Ulduar bosses, and I can't figure out why |
| 20:57.57 | durcyn | because people who did it on ptr tried to off-tank the adds instead of breaking them, and when strength of the creator was added, they cried |
| 20:58.12 | mikma | we use a circle kiting -tactic |
| 20:58.13 | Antiarc | So the fight is hard if you do it wrong. That makes sense. |
| 20:58.19 | Antiarc | yeah, we just kite in a circle too |
| 20:58.28 | mikma | ranged and melee stands in the middle and tank circles around the raid |
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| 20:58.45 | durcyn | and tbh the hardest fight in ulduar is the first two seconds of auriaya |
| 20:59.07 | durcyn | fuck that pull |
| 20:59.08 | mikma | first try 90%, second try 50%, third try 7%... and now this is the last try, it'll be 35% just wait and see |
| 20:59.08 | Grum | yeah |
| 20:59.11 | Grum | stupid pouncing kittens |
| 20:59.19 | Grum | mikma: he has been nrefed though |
| 20:59.22 | Grum | and 'fixed' :p |
| 20:59.39 | Thunder_Child | i assume the dispel magic glyph doesnt heal a hostile target? |
| 20:59.50 | Grum | ofc not ;) |
| 21:00.02 | Thunder_Child | well it doesnt say....just says target |
| 21:00.17 | Thunder_Child | i would be amused if it did work that way |
| 21:01.32 | mikma | grum: apparently |
| 21:01.42 | mikma | seems like he won't hit the person he puts in slag pot |
| 21:01.50 | mikma | atleast i've survived it, twice :D |
| 21:01.54 | mikma | http://www.ktla.com/photo_gallery_landing?galleryID=1204#25389 |
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| 21:02.22 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Apparently the whole problem stemmed from trying to run it on a static address on a network that didn't have DNS access. |
| 21:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Makes sense, but unfortunate that the debugging didn't reveal that sooner |
| 21:02.56 | Thunder_Child | mikma, why are you browsing ktla? |
| 21:03.06 | mikma | thunder_child: someone linked it here |
| 21:03.09 | mikma | let's see and blame |
| 21:03.16 | mikma | <2352> <Antiarc> http://www.ktla.com/landing_mostinteresting/?Woman-Hired-Stripper-to-Impersonate |
| 21:03.19 | mikma | -Her-=1&blockID=272097&feedID=1080 |
| 21:03.19 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474161932&sid=1 <-- someone post a link to the Mona Lisa please |
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| 21:03.55 | Twidget | Hi, I am new to writing mods, mind if I ask a question? |
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| 21:04.02 | Antiarc | Twidget: Fire away |
| 21:04.03 | Antiarc | ~asktoask |
| 21:04.04 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:04.09 | kd3|hate`net | wow |
| 21:04.13 | kd3|hate`net | kernel went oops |
| 21:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 21:04.33 | mikma | antiarc: ahahahah, mona lisa |
| 21:04.42 | Antiarc | Stupid questions get stupid answers. |
| 21:04.45 | Nuckin | Antiarc: lol |
| 21:05.28 | Antiarc | So on a side note I've been trying out this Skada damage meter |
| 21:05.31 | Antiarc | And I'm very pleased with it |
| 21:05.34 | Antiarc | It's Assessment 2.0 |
| 21:05.37 | Antiarc | And that makes me happy :D |
| 21:05.54 | alestane | Yep, mail is getting through now. |
| 21:06.52 | p3lim | neat, the water next to ignis has no fishing skill requirement and has northrend fish |
| 21:07.05 | Adys | Antiarc: I wanted to post a mona lisa in ascii |
| 21:07.11 | Adys | but the forum is shitting it out. |
| 21:07.12 | p3lim | ive got 310 skill and im fishing there with a guy that has 209 |
| 21:07.28 | kd3 | is the guy with 209 getting anything or just junk? |
| 21:07.48 | Robsato | werent the skill requirements removed or something with 3.1 patch? |
| 21:08.04 | Antiarc | You can get stuff in Northrend with 209 skill |
| 21:08.07 | Dashkal | Robsato: not quite. Instead of "your fish got away" you get junk |
| 21:08.25 | Antiarc | I've been raising skill on my paladin and a fish hook more or less lets me get fish 50% of the time |
| 21:08.45 | Robsato | Ah, ok. I know I read something but not exactly what :-) |
| 21:08.49 | Dashkal | I fish up my dragonfin with a 250ish skill. wonderful change |
| 21:08.59 | Dashkal | Does take a good long while, though |
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| 21:10.46 | Torhal | Shirik: Danke. Hadn't used KDE since around 2001...Konversation is very nice. |
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| 21:12.07 | Twidget | I see from my book that UseItemByName is protected so how would I use an item in a mod... In LDB I would like to toggle a window with a left click (which works now) and use an item in my bag with a right click? |
| 21:12.29 | mikma | fuck yeah! 4th was a pure kill. 0 deaths |
| 21:13.29 | Antiarc | Twidget: You'll have to set up a secure frame to use an item in combat |
| 21:13.46 | Twidget | it would be out of combat |
| 21:13.50 | kd3 | whee... http://www.kerneloops.org/oops.php?number=201246 |
| 21:13.54 | kd3 | my very kernel oops ^ |
| 21:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow, a 12 page thread that popped up today |
| 21:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 21:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I DARE CURSE.COM and WOWUI.COM to reply to this post with the real TRUTH as to why they are both acting like babies just because the wowmatrix client is better then anything these two site have . " |
| 21:14.42 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:14.47 | nicoli_s | link? |
| 21:14.54 | Antiarc | Twidget: Hrm. I think you're still going to have to use a secure frame, though I may be wrong. |
| 21:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473611797&sid=1 |
| 21:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, why is that thread still alive? |
| 21:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: that thread was created *today* |
| 21:16.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, it's a copy of another one that was posted before. |
| 21:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It is? |
| 21:17.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, this subject had a thread before, I dare them to justify their claims about bandwidth, blah blah blah. |
| 21:17.30 | Antiarc | Just report it for trolling |
| 21:17.31 | Antiarc | *cough* |
| 21:17.49 | ScytheBlade1 | The great thing about that thread, is that they are using the updated wowmatrix FAQ concerning cross-site updaters |
| 21:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis: updated |
| 21:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Although the OP's signature is spot on |
| 21:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: I know you've had quite enough of this crap recently, but this is golden: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473611797&sid=1&pageNo=3#40 |
| 21:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: namely, "[USE TO... Lets ignore what things USE to do... Curse USE TO install viruses and trojans]" |
| 21:21.55 | Kaelten | sighs |
| 21:21.59 | Kaelten | where did that thread come from |
| 21:22.01 | Kaelten | it's huge |
| 21:22.01 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, it started in General, and they moved it to here? Bloody hell. |
| 21:22.09 | Lopeppeppy | General, I think, Kaelten. |
| 21:22.16 | Antiarc | I thought it smelt stupider than usual |
| 21:22.44 | Kaelten | le sigh |
| 21:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, that would explain it |
| 21:22.58 | DWSR | Kaelten: <3 u |
| 21:23.04 | Kaelten | threads must cap out in general all the time |
| 21:23.12 | DWSR | Everyone needs to understand 1 simple thing. The internet is a dictatorship. kthxbai., |
| 21:23.44 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ! Halp! |
| 21:23.51 | Shirik | Actually you probably won't know the answer |
| 21:23.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: nou |
| 21:23.57 | Shirik | so I'll just ask in general to the channel |
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| 21:24.33 | Kaelten | Shirik: sup |
| 21:24.34 | Shirik | I created a certificate request using Windows' certificate manager. Then I signed the request and imported it into cert manager. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the cert manager supposed to say something like "Windows has a private key corresponding to this certificate" when you view the cert? |
| 21:24.37 | Shirik | Because I don't see that |
| 21:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have such a private key, yes |
| 21:25.18 | Shirik | when I created the request it should have stored the private key on its own |
| 21:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea, never used that utility |
| 21:28.13 | Adys | how old is wowmatrix? |
| 21:28.29 | mikma | we do not know how old... (morpheus voice) |
| 21:28.36 | Antiarc | It's been around a year or two |
| 21:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: check the domain registry for the first registered date |
| 21:28.47 | Cairenn | yes we do, hang on |
| 21:29.23 | Lopeppeppy | guesses 2 years and 25 days. |
| 21:29.29 | Adys | was just wondering if it was as recent as all the bitching, or much older |
| 21:29.30 | Cairenn | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=8947&highlight=wowmatrix <=== 10/23/07 |
| 21:30.03 | Lopeppeppy | Older. |
| 21:30.30 | mikma | lopeppeppy: fail, faiiiiiiiiiil! |
| 21:30.31 | Cairenn | but we know it's /at least/ that old |
| 21:30.34 | mikma | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474161932&sid=1 |
| 21:30.38 | mikma | FAIIIIIIL! |
| 21:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | Why is for fail? |
| 21:30.55 | mikma | you were kind and gave him a good answer |
| 21:31.10 | mikma | we wanted to see the "Mona Lisa" there |
| 21:31.10 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls eyes* It's my frellin' JOB, mikma, cut me some slack. |
| 21:31.21 | Lopeppeppy | Slouken would come back from the piratical grave if I were ever rude in print. |
| 21:31.22 | mikma | all out of slack! |
| 21:31.35 | DWSR | TPB got found guilty? Flail. |
| 21:31.44 | mikma | keep your hulk-green of the thread then muhaha |
| 21:31.52 | Antiarc | Given the farce that the trial was...heh. |
| 21:31.56 | mikma | dwsr: does it stop them? no. |
| 21:32.37 | DWSR | mikma: tbh, I hope they get shut down. |
| 21:32.46 | DWSR | mikma: People need to learn that private trackers ftw. |
| 21:33.02 | mikma | yes, pirate trackers ftw |
| 21:33.30 | Legorol | This post is amusing: http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=148844&postcount=5 |
| 21:33.38 | Legorol | quote: "This will help relieve some of the stress experienced by sites such as WowAce" |
| 21:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | Frikkin' hilarious, Legorol. |
| 21:34.06 | nicoli_s | is that a wowmatrix dev? |
| 21:34.09 | Legorol | yes |
| 21:34.42 | Adys | Could someone honestly explain me why I haven't heard of wowmatrix until a month ago? |
| 21:34.44 | Antiarc | That's the only time I've ever seen an official wowmatrix dev say anything |
| 21:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: you don't live in here like others do |
| 21:35.16 | mikma | adys: you were lucky? |
| 21:35.34 | Zhinjio | can someone writing in hypercard honestly be called a dev? |
| 21:35.51 | Adys | not saying "heard of" as in "ackowledgement of existance" |
| 21:35.56 | Adys | but as in "seen any complaints" |
| 21:36.05 | nicoli_s | cuz it's teh broke now |
| 21:36.12 | Adys | no no |
| 21:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, you haven't been listening closely in here or the UI/Macros forum, it's been coming up about monthly for about a year. |
| 21:36.25 | Bibi | Adys: YOU SUCK |
| 21:36.34 | Adys | Bibi: YOUR MOM |
| 21:36.42 | Bibi | That's mean. |
| 21:36.43 | amro | YOUR SISTER |
| 21:36.47 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: seen it come up but, monthly? |
| 21:36.51 | Bibi | I don't have a sister :/ |
| 21:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | Dino's honor, it's been frequent. |
| 21:37.02 | Adys | *shrugs* anyway |
| 21:37.34 | amro | Bibi: that you know of. |
| 21:37.44 | kd3 | mmm... chocolate chip cookies |
| 21:37.46 | Bibi | :( |
| 21:37.52 | kd3 | reaches into his bowl for some more |
| 21:37.59 | Adys | also why am I not allowed to /ns list adys >< |
| 21:38.02 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, kd3, I need to share that bowl. |
| 21:38.42 | AckisWork | teabags Bibi |
| 21:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | ackis, be nice |
| 21:39.11 | AckisWork | that was me being nice :P |
| 21:39.28 | Lopeppeppy | Feh. |
| 21:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'll never teach you to be a Peppy Person. |
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| 21:39.56 | AckisWork | is stubborn. |
| 21:40.11 | Antiarc | Monsterbellies are not cooperating today. |
| 21:40.30 | Antiarc | Though I did get a runed stormjewel out of it on my rogue |
| 21:40.38 | kd3 | oh wow. nice find Arrowmaster |
| 21:41.31 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14595090004&sid=1 is an odd thread |
| 21:41.50 | Antiarc | It says "I'm disc and I'm butthurt about not being able to do as much raw healing as a holy priest, someone justify my existence" :P |
| 21:42.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, justifying raid existence is hard when you're in a min/max group. |
| 21:42.48 | NeoTron | Ratpure! |
| 21:42.56 | Antiarc | If you're in a min-max group you shouldn't need healing meter numbers to justify your presence :P |
| 21:43.16 | bleeter | hmm people are saying Launcher and Tools got patched this morning, I'm not seeing any patch come through. What's the current Launcher version #? |
| 21:43.25 | bleeter | 9806? |
| 21:43.28 | Lopeppeppy | No, that's what they use for their min-maxing, in my observation... sheer numbers from WWS and Recount and whatever. |
| 21:43.31 | Antiarc | Heh, I haven't used the launcher since it was introduced. What does it get me? |
| 21:43.53 | bleeter | er |
| 21:43.59 | Adys | porn |
| 21:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | Cookies |
| 21:44.10 | kd3 | 18:28:57.2984 Launcher version 2.0.0.481 |
| 21:44.14 | kd3 | 18:34:28.1138 Launcher version 2.0.0.491 |
| 21:44.17 | bleeter | 491 |
| 21:44.20 | bleeter | yup, thx |
| 21:44.35 | bleeter | stupid Launcher for not showing it's actual version # in it's Title, rather showing WoW Build # |
| 21:45.16 | bleeter | goes back to d/l'ing this month's nVidia Win32 drivers |
| 21:45.54 | *** join/#wowuidev BCS_ (n=chatzill@87-194-223-111.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:46.15 | Kirov | The launcher gets you downloading of the patch w/o logging in to the game first on patch days. |
| 21:46.24 | Antiarc | Eh |
| 21:46.45 | durcyn | you don't have to log in to pull a patch |
| 21:46.54 | durcyn | fire up the client and put any old thing in the user/pass bits |
| 21:47.01 | nicoli_s | yep, thats how ve been doing it forever |
| 21:47.25 | durcyn | though if there's actually an account named 'a', i sure hope he changed his password. |
| 21:48.26 | bleeter | I seem to recall claims that launcher also has some anti-trojan stuff in it, or at least some trojan detection, but I think that's complete balls |
| 21:48.30 | BCS_ | Could someone please help with an issue that I cant find documented but was working pre 3.1 patch, I have a mod that uses the minimap:getfacing() to work out locs and distance a loc is from current location, but it says that fucntion is nil, is their a replacement or is it just redundant? |
| 21:49.07 | durcyn | bleeter: warden runs with or without the launcher, though |
| 21:49.20 | bleeter | durcyn: nah this was seperate from Warden |
| 21:49.47 | Antiarc | GetPlayerFacing() |
| 21:49.49 | kd3 | the launcher can detect stuff before warden launches. warden's a thread in the wow executable |
| 21:50.09 | Antiarc | Returns your heading in radians |
| 21:50.47 | BCS_ | Thanks antiarc, I thnk thats same as the miniamp one did, been a long time since i wrote it. |
| 21:50.53 | Antiarc | yeah, it's the same |
| 21:53.56 | bleeter | kd3: I love your usage of the word 'can' in that sentence lol |
| 21:54.27 | bleeter | did it ever end up catching that trojan from late '07/thru '08? |
| 21:54.44 | kd3 | was trying to decide if I wanted to make that a more reserved statement |
| 21:54.48 | kd3 | dunno. doubt it |
| 21:59.46 | DWSR | anyone know if you can put Quartz into an LTR mode for bars? |
| 22:01.04 | Adys | _____.______@mailinatOOOor.com+minus+threevowels |
| 22:01.12 | Adys | These people piss me off. |
| 22:01.21 | Adys | If you don't want your email to get spammed |
| 22:01.25 | Adys | use a spambox |
| 22:02.05 | AckisWork | ~dict spambox |
| 22:02.21 | Adys | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/22/1935202&from=rss |
| 22:02.26 | Adys | slashdot going real low |
| 22:04.07 | Thunder_Child | how do you access the BG from anywhere? |
| 22:04.26 | Adys | you shout |
| 22:04.29 | nevcairiel | the pvp frame |
| 22:04.33 | nevcairiel | has a signup button |
| 22:04.35 | Thunder_Child | how do i get the pvp fram? |
| 22:04.37 | Thunder_Child | frame* |
| 22:04.41 | Adys | you shout |
| 22:04.44 | nevcairiel | check your keybindings |
| 22:04.51 | nevcairiel | i dunno if it has a default |
| 22:04.52 | bleeter | H - honor tab, is default.. iirc |
| 22:04.59 | Adys | its currency default now |
| 22:05.10 | Thunder_Child | thanks guys |
| 22:09.03 | airtonix | does windows have symlinks yet? |
| 22:09.31 | kd3 | ntfs does |
| 22:09.41 | durcyn | junctions hardly count |
| 22:09.44 | kd3 | they're a pain to deal with... compared to ln -s, but ya |
| 22:09.50 | airtonix | so not really? |
| 22:09.53 | Adys | why do they hardly count? |
| 22:10.05 | Adys | because windows handles them shittily doesnt mean they're not symlinks :P |
| 22:10.09 | airtonix | because juntioning ruins the journaling of ntfs i think |
| 22:12.45 | airtonix | ah right here we go: Junction points can only link to directories on a local volume; junction points to remote shares are unsupported. |
| 22:13.06 | airtonix | i can make symlinks to nfs mounted folders here on my desktop |
| 22:13.33 | airtonix | or any mounted drive/server for that matter |
| 22:15.05 | airtonix | Unlike a junction point, a symbolic link can also point to a file or remote SMB network path. |
| 22:15.13 | airtonix | something new for vista |
| 22:16.29 | nevcairiel | indeed, vista added symbolic links |
| 22:16.48 | airtonix | but extend, embrace, exclude |
| 22:17.38 | airtonix | those types of cross-server symbolic links only work between clients & servers running windows software |
| 22:17.38 | airtonix | is this true? |
| 22:18.31 | nevcairiel | its required for the remote system to support it |
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| 22:22.46 | airtonix | sorry not really a case of EEE |
| 22:34.32 | Thunder_Child | can you get discoveries from creating things that are grey? |
| 22:35.20 | bleeter | iirc only if they're grey BC things |
| 22:35.28 | bleeter | or WotLK things |
| 22:35.38 | bleeter | ie not Classic grey... MOAR ENTER KEYZ |
| 22:37.18 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.deadlybossmods.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1371 |
| 22:37.59 | mikma | cairenn: i know i would be offended by that post |
| 22:38.12 | Cairenn | that's fine, if that's how Tandanu feels, that's their right |
| 22:38.31 | mikma | ban DBM from wowi, just as a revenge |
| 22:38.35 | mikma | QQ now, biatch! |
| 22:38.38 | Cairenn | no |
| 22:38.44 | mikma | joking |
| 22:38.55 | Cairenn | if (s)he wants it removed, they can ask us and we'll honour their request |
| 22:39.09 | Cairenn | but it'd be wrong of me to remove it without their request |
| 22:39.14 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 22:39.22 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, so it's okay for curse to make money, but not wowi? |
| 22:39.51 | Grum | since 3.1.1, has anyone seen the TexCoord out of range error? |
| 22:40.00 | Cairenn | that isn't what it says NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | "But I must admit that Curse's stance to this is understandable as they are a company and they need to make money" no mention of it being understandable for wowi. |
| 22:40.46 | Hirsute | Grum: I think I see that from Routes, doesn't seem to cause any problems for me. |
| 22:41.02 | Grum | yes i used to see them from routes |
| 22:41.08 | Grum | trying to debug the problem |
| 22:41.11 | Grum | but i cant make it fail atm o.O |
| 22:41.12 | Cairenn | I don't read the oversight as being a slap against WoWI |
| 22:41.22 | NightHawkTheSane | The way it reads, it seems to me like "Curse & WoWI are QQing because they need more money, but its okay because curse is a business and needs to make money" |
| 22:41.34 | Cairenn | it could be read that way if you want to |
| 22:41.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: i'm not saying it is, it just seems really dumb to say. |
| 22:41.39 | Cairenn | but I'm not taking it that way |
| 22:41.39 | mikma | http://www.myextralife.com/wow/?p=665&cpage=1 |
| 22:41.43 | Cairenn | nod |
| 22:41.44 | Hirsute | Well, that's a given, NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:42.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: yeah, thats how i read it initially is all. *shrug* |
| 22:42.10 | Hirsute | Anyone that tries to justify the way WM did business is guaranteed to be saying something dumb. |
| 22:42.11 | mikma | "Good bye, Curse! Good bye, Wowinterface! May all of your keylogger programmers choke to death on their own bile - slowly." |
| 22:42.13 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:42.24 | mikma | "You know what I see coming of this? Curse and WoWInterface charging WoWMatrix for access to their mods. OH WAIT." |
| 22:42.25 | Cairenn | pokes mikma |
| 22:42.32 | mikma | ouch |
| 22:42.35 | mikma | not the tender spot |
| 22:43.01 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Your sig is hilarious |
| 22:43.22 | jnwhiteh | i want this entire issue to go away |
| 22:43.23 | jnwhiteh | silentyly |
| 22:43.28 | Hirsute | I haven't seen it, link to a thread he's posted in so I can? |
| 22:43.50 | Hirsute | Grum: Want me to pull my error logs if I can to see if they give you any better information? |
| 22:44.08 | Grum | Hirsute: the logs give 0 info, that is the main problem |
| 22:44.13 | Grum | but did you get it while running 3.1.1? |
| 22:44.27 | Hirsute | Grum: I haven't actually logged in since 3.1.1 |
| 22:44.29 | Hirsute | School |
| 22:44.35 | mikma | jnwhiteh: "we will not go silently into the night, we will not vanish! we're going to survive!" |
| 22:44.41 | Grum | i've flying acros northrend and normally i'd have had like 20 errors already |
| 22:44.47 | Antiarc | YOU CAN TAKE OUR MODS |
| 22:44.48 | Grum | but now it just seems to be ok |
| 22:44.51 | Antiarc | BUT YOU'LL NEVER TAKE |
| 22:44.53 | Antiarc | OUR UPDATERS |
| 22:44.56 | Hirsute | Cool, maybe Blizz fixed a bug. |
| 22:45.02 | Grum | it appears like it |
| 22:45.13 | Grum | but there is no confirmation anywhere |
| 22:45.21 | Hirsute | Antiarc: And something about fireballs from someone's eyes, and bolts of lightning from their arse's |
| 22:45.23 | Grum | so that leaves me frustrated =D |
| 22:46.04 | Hirsute | Hey, has anyone figured out a way to resize Blizz's quest tracker frame? |
| 22:46.19 | Hirsute | The dumb thing's not large enough to display the counts on the objectives for most of my quests. |
| 22:46.20 | NightHawkTheSane | click & drag the lower right hand corner |
| 22:46.30 | NightHawkTheSane | (as long as it's unlocked that is) |
| 22:46.34 | kd3 | it's resizable, but it's both non-obvious and rather unintuitive |
| 22:46.35 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: Lower right? I thought I'd tried that, but I'll give it a shot again tonight. |
| 22:46.41 | Hirsute | Thanks |
| 22:46.47 | kd3 | you've gotta hit an invisible target it feels like |
| 22:46.51 | Legorol | Has anyone been to Ulduar tonight and tried XT's trash? |
| 22:46.53 | NightHawkTheSane | its a bit wonky and is kinda laggy. |
| 22:47.08 | kd3 | lego; they were ok last night on 10-man |
| 22:47.09 | Lunessa | "It's just another expression of mine. It don't mean nothing at all. " ~Men at Work |
| 22:47.10 | Hirsute | I *do* like the inclusion of the useable quest items in the log though. No more making space on my actionbars for quest items. |
| 22:47.16 | ajmitch | Legorol: yes, about 12 hours ago |
| 22:47.23 | Legorol | did you try it on 25 yet? |
| 22:47.27 | kd3 | neg |
| 22:47.36 | Legorol | can you give me pointers on how you handled it? |
| 22:47.37 | ajmitch | was on 25-man |
| 22:47.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: it is really neat, but it's also really lacking. |
| 22:47.50 | Legorol | ajmitch: how did you guys handle it? the more details you can give me, the better |
| 22:47.59 | ajmitch | root the technicians, drag the others out of the bubbles when they come up |
| 22:48.12 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: Agreed. I'm hoping that beql gets caught up and I can have a nice mix of the standard features and the addon features before long. |
| 22:48.24 | kd3 | same. think we tried to burn the healers first to stop them from popping the bubbles |
| 22:48.26 | ajmitch | somehow we managed to get through them after a couple of wipes on that trash |
| 22:48.39 | Legorol | ajmitch: how many tanks did you use? what were they assigned to tank? what was your killing order? did you use any LOS tricks? how did you deal with the compactobot's pounces? |
| 22:48.56 | Legorol | what did you do about the saw blades? |
| 22:49.05 | ajmitch | 4 tanks, saw blades were healed through |
| 22:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: i find opie's quest item ring makes a nice companion to it :) |
| 22:49.12 | Legorol | if you can answer all of those, i'd be extremely happy |
| 22:49.14 | kd3 | saw blades just need to get nuked so they stop tearing the raid a new one |
| 22:49.24 | kd3 | otherwise it's raid damage like the punce |
| 22:49.28 | NightHawkTheSane | after writing a quick mod to do quest levels, i think i might be pretty happy with that, opie, doublewide, and lightheaded. |
| 22:49.31 | kd3 | pounce* |
| 22:49.32 | ajmitch | they were all pulled back through the XT doors apart from those that were CCed in the room |
| 22:49.38 | Thunder_Child | thanks bleeter |
| 22:49.48 | Legorol | ajmitch: how did you initiate the pull? MD? |
| 22:49.49 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: I think I tried Opie a while back, and it scared me. Maybe I'll have to look at it again. |
| 22:49.52 | ajmitch | yes |
| 22:49.56 | Legorol | where and how was your raid positioned? |
| 22:50.01 | ajmitch | I think the stray technicians were killed first |
| 22:50.02 | Legorol | where were the tanks specifically, and where was the ranged? |
| 22:50.19 | ajmitch | 2 tanks either side of the doors, 1 in center, ranged back down the hallway a bit, iirc |
| 22:50.25 | Legorol | i'll slow down with my questions :) |
| 22:50.32 | ajmitch | though it did turn to chaos of course :) |
| 22:50.44 | Legorol | uhm.. so you used 5 tanks? |
| 22:50.49 | kd3 | 'all battle plans get thrown out the window as soon as the first shot is fired' |
| 22:50.57 | ajmitch | no, 1 tank on each side |
| 22:51.12 | Legorol | ok, were they on either side in order to LOS the mobs? |
| 22:51.14 | ajmitch | the 4th tank was holding a couple of compactobots off somewhere, I can't recall where now |
| 22:51.17 | ajmitch | yes |
| 22:51.31 | Legorol | ok, so you had a 4th tank take the compactobots away from the raid? |
| 22:51.39 | Legorol | going back down towards razorscale, or somewhere else? |
| 22:51.44 | ajmitch | I was just tanking & picking up stray mobs |
| 22:51.54 | ajmitch | in XT's room, I think |
| 22:52.02 | Legorol | it's really important to me that, if you can, explain to me how you handled the pounces |
| 22:52.14 | Legorol | LOS it? outrange it? outheal it? spread out? hug the mob? |
| 22:52.17 | Legorol | what was the trick? |
| 22:52.19 | ajmitch | at the moment it's a little hard to recall since I was raiding until 1AM (oceanic server) :) |
| 22:52.31 | Legorol | ok |
| 22:52.37 | ajmitch | outheal it I think, we weren't that spread out |
| 22:52.44 | Legorol | we have two problems with that trash group atm: |
| 22:52.55 | Legorol | 1) the pounce one-shots people, so we thought we have to find a way to avoid it |
| 22:53.16 | Legorol | 2) tanks seem to be losing aggro on some of the mobs, as if there are some weird aggro mechanics at play |
| 22:53.18 | kd3 | one-shot? eesh. it's hitting a hell of a lot harder on 25s then |
| 22:53.31 | Legorol | can you confirm whether 2 is true or not? |
| 22:53.36 | ajmitch | I don't recall it one-shotting people |
| 22:53.47 | mikma | we'll see if Ubuntu manages to release 9.04 today |
| 22:53.51 | ajmitch | and I don't recall really having aggro problems |
| 22:54.03 | Legorol | the problem we are having is that the healers for the tank taking the pouncers get pounced and one-shotted |
| 22:54.06 | Dashkal | They have 8 more days yet :p |
| 22:54.13 | ajmitch | mikma: unlikely, release manager is in PDT timezone :) |
| 22:54.16 | Legorol | ajmitch: ok, different angle then |
| 22:54.25 | Legorol | ajmitch: you CC-d as many technicians as you could, you said |
| 22:54.27 | Legorol | by rooting |
| 22:54.35 | ajmitch | yes |
| 22:54.38 | Legorol | did you do that near where the pack is standing to start with? |
| 22:54.42 | ajmitch | rooting, I think freeze trap |
| 22:54.42 | mikma | ajmitch: (today is 23th, release date :) |
| 22:54.43 | Legorol | or wait for them to come to the doorway |
| 22:54.43 | ajmitch | yes |
| 22:55.03 | ajmitch | mikma: yes, it is here, but it'll be released sometime on the 23rd where the RM is |
| 22:55.13 | Legorol | ajmitch: ok, my last question pack then: |
| 22:55.16 | ajmitch | Legorol: near where they start if possible |
| 22:55.28 | Legorol | a) where was your raid standing waiting for the pull (specifically tanks and healers) |
| 22:55.31 | Legorol | b) who initiated the pull |
| 22:55.38 | Legorol | c) where were the additional CC-ers standing at the pull |
| 22:55.38 | ajmitch | one thing we did have was mobs evading briefly |
| 22:55.46 | mikma | ajmitch: so that makes it 24 03:00am or so |
| 22:56.03 | ajmitch | mikma: 'sometime' on the 23rd, when it's ready |
| 22:56.05 | Legorol | if you can recall the answer to a, b and c, i'll love you to bits |
| 22:56.08 | mikma | gmt ... |
| 22:57.05 | ajmitch | Legorol: tanks were waiting slightly back from the gates in the hallway, D&D, consecrates were dropped, hunter initiated, CCers were pretty much in the open gates, I think |
| 22:57.27 | Legorol | did the mobs just run past the CC-ers to the tanks? |
| 22:57.36 | bleeter | Legorol: we did 25man trash last night, we had .. erm.. hunters kite to instance door.. and just zerged the rest of the crap. THis was after wiping two or three times to a leeroy strategy ;) |
| 22:57.49 | ajmitch | the CCers run past the D&D/consecrate, mobs ran through that |
| 22:57.52 | bleeter | it was dirty, it was messy, but it worked |
| 22:58.02 | kd3 | whee... doing a drakk strat? |
| 22:58.25 | kd3 | misses taking one of the adds half the way to the arena before ice blocking |
| 22:58.25 | Legorol | ajmitch: i apologise, i'm not getting you. You said that CC happened near where the pack is standing, but the tanking was back in the hallways |
| 22:58.45 | Legorol | was the DnD/consecrate being placed somewhere other than where the tanks are standing ? |
| 22:58.53 | mikma | oh cool |
| 22:59.02 | mikma | i was able to get tickets to Wolverine! \o/ |
| 22:59.04 | ajmitch | yes, it was being placed initially in the open gates for aggro on the pull |
| 22:59.24 | Legorol | ok, let me clarify something: |
| 22:59.24 | ajmitch | then tanks moved to their tanking positions to play with the mobs |
| 22:59.35 | Legorol | by "hallway" we mean the wide corridor leading up to XT's door, right? |
| 22:59.38 | ajmitch | this is as I remember after sleeping :) |
| 22:59.40 | ajmitch | yes |
| 22:59.43 | Legorol | ok |
| 23:00.13 | Legorol | did you not have problem with your intended CC-ers getting pounced and stunned as soon as the mobs had LOS on them? |
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| 23:00.28 | ajmitch | not that I recall |
| 23:00.44 | ajmitch | I couldn't see much of that part of the pull |
| 23:00.54 | Legorol | Ok i'll explain why i'm asking all these questions, we are having an awful lot of trouble with the pack (two hours of wiping on it now) |
| 23:00.56 | bleeter | Legorol: we had that on our healers, hence our mass zerg |
| 23:01.05 | ajmitch | ugh |
| 23:01.18 | Lopeppeppy | is getting too fiesty |
| 23:01.25 | ajmitch | it did take us about 45-50 minutes from dropping FL to getting started on XT-002 |
| 23:01.37 | Legorol | we discovered that just simply tanking the compactobots doesn't work well, as they then pounce whoever is in range (usually the healers of that tank) |
| 23:02.04 | bleeter | Legorol: it was getting late, we were getting tired n grumpy.. zerg was last resort. think there was even a whatsit thrown down at some stage to keep stuff in combat while we ran back |
| 23:02.26 | bleeter | where whatsit = I NEED MOAR COFFEE ITS ONLY 9AM |
| 23:02.33 | Legorol | we are banging our head against the wall here |
| 23:02.36 | ajmitch | however we didn't get the boss down, to our disappointment |
| 23:02.44 | ajmitch | best was 9% |
| 23:02.45 | Legorol | we tried placing tank on a corner, so that the mobs don't have LOS to the healers |
| 23:02.58 | bleeter | ajmitch: neither did we, 60%... after spending an hour or two on the trash we called it. back again tonight. |
| 23:03.03 | Legorol | like with the two giants in front of ignis |
| 23:03.12 | Legorol | bleeter: at least you killed the trash |
| 23:03.18 | Legorol | our raid morale is dropping very fast |
| 23:03.23 | Legorol | we had XT to 1% three times last week |
| 23:03.28 | Legorol | and now we are spending hours on its trash |
| 23:03.38 | ajmitch | we've only had XT to 1% on 10-man, and that was annoying |
| 23:04.01 | ajmitch | is not really in a hardcore guild :) |
| 23:04.14 | Legorol | the pounce is definitely oneshotting our players, which means i might have to try and convince them to get more stamina |
| 23:04.26 | Dashkal | Those giants SUCK. Took us about an hour to get them down |
| 23:04.33 | ajmitch | how much do they have? |
| 23:04.38 | Legorol | Dashkal: we developed a very good strat for them in 10-man |
| 23:04.46 | Legorol | ajmitch: i have no idea |
| 23:04.47 | ajmitch | 20k buffed at least? |
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| 23:04.59 | Dashkal | What's yours? We did a LoS trick with the corner. |
| 23:05.06 | Legorol | yah we did that |
| 23:05.14 | Legorol | two tanks, one in front of each giant, exactly as they stand to start with |
| 23:05.25 | ajmitch | Dashkal: the ignis trash? |
| 23:05.34 | Legorol | pull them just enough forward so that healers can go up and down the corridor, keep LOS on tanks, but avoid the earthquake |
| 23:05.39 | Dashkal | (yes, that trash) I was tanking one of those. Had to blow an oh shit since I had to position them from outside of los |
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| 23:05.48 | Shirik | is it really that hard? |
| 23:05.51 | ajmitch | hm, I don't recall having that much of a problem on them |
| 23:05.54 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 23:05.55 | Shirik | same |
| 23:05.56 | Legorol | Shirik: yes |
| 23:06.01 | Shirik | We didn't have a problem :/ |
| 23:06.04 | ajmitch | it was the magma rager that bit us on the first night |
| 23:06.05 | Dashkal | It terrified me. My tanking set is so not Ulduar ready |
| 23:06.16 | Legorol | the pair of giants do an earthquake that stuns the whole raid |
| 23:06.17 | Dashkal | The ragers did the raid in |
| 23:06.26 | Dashkal | We never did get them down. Trying again friday |
| 23:06.26 | Shirik | Legorol, I've done it |
| 23:06.30 | Shirik | again, not really a problem |
| 23:06.34 | NeoTron | Legorol: |
| 23:06.36 | Legorol | combine that with pyroblast and magma splash, and people die |
| 23:06.40 | Dashkal | Successfuly strategies welcome :p |
| 23:06.44 | Dashkal | -y |
| 23:06.45 | NeoTron | Legorol: XT Trash is easy easy because it is, literally, bugged |
| 23:06.48 | Legorol | Dashkal: on ragers? |
| 23:06.48 | ajmitch | my tanking set is my offspec set, but we have regular tanks missing so I've ended up tanking the majority of our ulduar raid nights so far |
| 23:06.54 | Legorol | NeoTron: huh? |
| 23:06.58 | bleeter | NeoTron: oh yeah |
| 23:07.00 | Legorol | NeoTron: do tell |
| 23:07.06 | Dashkal | Legorol: Yeah, we couldn't get past the ragers. The tornadoes kept massacring the raid |
| 23:07.06 | NeoTron | Legorol: Move raid down the hallway, at least past where the teleporter is. Then have one person body pull when mounted and go back to the raid |
| 23:07.10 | bleeter | I seem to recall someone running part of trash back to 1st boss, and claiming it just despawned |
| 23:07.18 | bleeter | or something similar |
| 23:07.27 | NeoTron | the non-humanoid robots will get to the raid but the healers/mechagnomes jhust stand at the entrace to rhe room trying to cast their shield |
| 23:07.28 | Legorol | that's one thing we won't do i'm afraid |
| 23:07.31 | NeoTron | they don't to shit until meleed |
| 23:07.32 | Legorol | we are not going to exploit |
| 23:07.53 | ajmitch | NeoTron: we had that problem with the technicians when they'd been rooted in the room |
| 23:07.57 | Dashkal | Much trouble as they gave us, I'm still sad they got nerfed :( |
| 23:08.00 | NeoTron | it wasn't intentionally an exploit. I just knew from before that the healers moved slower. didn't expect them not to come at all |
| 23:08.03 | Legorol | NeoTron: ok that doesn't sound like an exploit |
| 23:08.05 | bleeter | Legorol: I'm not suggesting you exploit, I'm emphasizing that I think the mobs are still bugged anyways ;) |
| 23:08.21 | bleeter | Legorol: yar this was not an intentional exploit, we were trying to down the trash and discovered they're bugged. |
| 23:08.22 | Legorol | well we had a few pulls where they seemed to link to the other pack |
| 23:08.24 | NeoTron | Legorol: also if you want, just keep a healer + tank and offtank them out of LoS in that room |
| 23:08.43 | Legorol | NeoTron: our problem is not with the mechagnomes though |
| 23:08.51 | Legorol | our problem is with the pouncing ones (compactobots i think) |
| 23:08.52 | NeoTron | they add a lot of difficulty |
| 23:09.11 | Legorol | we are having trouble with the pull already in the first place |
| 23:09.20 | Legorol | people get pounced -> stun or one-shot |
| 23:09.31 | NeoTron | didn't have an issue with that |
| 23:09.37 | Legorol | it's a huge issue for us |
| 23:09.51 | Legorol | the tank tha'ts tanking the compactobots, the bots would pounce that tank's healer(s) and oneshot |
| 23:10.08 | Legorol | i don't believe we are undergeared for it, at least most of us shouldn't be |
| 23:10.28 | Legorol | everyone has at least i213, we did 25-man 3D as well (i know most people don't consider that "hard", we thought it was) |
| 23:10.37 | NeoTron | range issue perhaps, not sure |
| 23:10.46 | Legorol | the pounce has 5-45 yard range |
| 23:10.52 | kd3 | how hard are the compactobots hitting for on 25? |
| 23:10.52 | Legorol | so can't outrange it |
| 23:11.03 | Legorol | kd3: we called the raid and i lost my logs :( |
| 23:11.22 | bleeter | 'bloody hard' |
| 23:11.29 | ajmitch | just a min, I should be able to see from WWS last night |
| 23:11.33 | Torhal | Dolby, Cairenn: This page seems to be stuck in a cyclic loop: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21290&page=38 |
| 23:11.43 | Torhal | Can't ever get to page 39, just resets to the top of 38 |
| 23:11.49 | Legorol | ajmitch: cool, if you have wws of that trash, i'd love a link |
| 23:11.59 | Legorol | thanks a lot guys for your various inputs, i'll bring it up next time we do them |
| 23:12.18 | Cairenn | he's been Tachy'd |
| 23:13.41 | Torhal | Cairenn: Is it ok to respond with "DIAF"? :D |
| 23:13.52 | Torhal | sulks. |
| 23:13.54 | ajmitch | Legorol: http://wowwebstats.com/ttpkdtshrk6ia?s=trash&a=Gxf1300085df021ea3 |
| 23:13.56 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal. *laugh* |
| 23:14.04 | Cairenn | why would you respond to something that hasn't been posted on in 3 days? |
| 23:14.16 | Cairenn | oh, nm |
| 23:14.17 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 23:14.22 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 23:14.23 | p3lim | i have this string "ContainerFrameXItemY". how can I get out the numbers X and Y represent? |
| 23:15.02 | Torhal | I'd _like_ to respond with "DIAF", but I think I'm done feeding the trolls. |
| 23:15.58 | p3lim | anyone? |
| 23:16.08 | p3lim | tried using string.find but I failed |
| 23:16.49 | Shirik | Torhal: I think there's a little bug on that page |
| 23:16.56 | Shirik | there's a deleted post at the end :) |
| 23:17.00 | tekkub | wooo! I got at least one user that got my github WM version |
| 23:17.03 | Shirik | It will fix itself soon enough |
| 23:17.13 | mikma | tekkub: whaaat? :D |
| 23:17.15 | tekkub | before they removed that scraper |
| 23:17.19 | Zhinjio | Torhal: gdevening |
| 23:17.24 | mikma | tekkub: show us! |
| 23:17.34 | tekkub | mikma: he though WM broke my addons too, not me |
| 23:17.44 | Torhal | Shirik: Ok, I finally saw the deleted post, which is where my DIAF reference came in |
| 23:17.51 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Yola man |
| 23:17.53 | mikma | tekkub: hehe, also, i was laughing my ass off today because of the 666 tags |
| 23:18.21 | mikma | tekkub: did the user whine at somewhere or how do you know? |
| 23:18.29 | tekkub | http://img.skitch.com/20090422-mf5t26rbsddbhd5mpknc2upgq1.jpg |
| 23:18.51 | mikma | ! |
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| 23:19.10 | Cloudwolf | epic win http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/4/22/ |
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| 23:19.20 | mikma | did WM remove your addons from their db? |
| 23:19.56 | DWSR | Cloudwolf: :D |
| 23:20.06 | Cloudwolf | :D |
| 23:20.12 | Shirik | tekkub: win |
| 23:20.16 | Shirik | what did you do? |
| 23:20.25 | mikma | cloudwolf: no, tekkub has a epic win... http://img.skitch.com/20090422-mf5t26rbsddbhd5mpknc2upgq1.jpg |
| 23:20.41 | Shirik | personally, tekkub, if I wanted to be evil I would make the WM version do a setfenv(0, {}) |
| 23:20.48 | mikma | shirik: http://github.com/tekkub |
| 23:20.50 | Shirik | bye bye settings |
| 23:20.58 | mikma | shirik: see the right side of the page :D |
| 23:21.40 | tekkub | nah, I didn't want to be THAT evil |
| 23:21.48 | DWSR | tekkub: But it should have been |
| 23:22.00 | tekkub | though there is a chance that anyone that got the 666's had their SV for the addon erased |
| 23:22.08 | tekkub | I'm not sure if it did or not |
| 23:22.10 | Cloudwolf | lol tags? |
| 23:22.13 | mikma | tekkub: did they remove your addons or what? |
| 23:22.24 | tekkub | they're not scraping github for them |
| 23:22.39 | mikma | tbh, i think there might be a spy here |
| 23:22.40 | tekkub | I was hoping they'd try to add logic to ignore my bad versions |
| 23:22.48 | Cloudwolf | THE SENTRYS A SPAH! |
| 23:22.55 | mikma | didn't take that long for them to realize what you did |
| 23:22.55 | tekkub | I'm sure there is, they did it in the matter of like two hours |
| 23:23.15 | tekkub | I'm sure someone somewhere bitched that WM broke my addons, yea |
| 23:23.17 | p3lim | i have this string "ContainerFrameXItemY". how can I get out the numbers X and Y represent? |
| 23:23.17 | mikma | exactly. 2h :P |
| 23:23.26 | Lunessa | That Penny Arcade is good. It's about time someone looked and said "there's humor here." |
| 23:23.28 | Antiarc | tekkub: Awesome :D |
| 23:24.01 | tekkub | I'm still just amazed they took my addons out, they've never done that for people that outright asked have they? |
| 23:24.15 | mikma | tekkub: but, you were mean |
| 23:24.40 | tekkub | yea I know |
| 23:24.44 | Antiarc | tekkub: They've been smacked with a few DMCAs, I suspect they're becoming a little more accomodating, because they know authors are willing to file complaints with their host |
| 23:24.54 | Cloudwolf | oh my god ive seen this xkcd comic |
| 23:24.56 | Antiarc | And if they get too many DMCA complaints from their host, their host may decide to pull the plug |
| 23:25.06 | Antiarc | Most SLAs indicate that serving illegal content is grounds for termination |
| 23:25.12 | Cloudwolf | my hobby is pausing in store music for a split second and watcht he ex marching band kids stumble |
| 23:25.18 | mikma | what amazes me.. they took out my addons from their list too |
| 23:25.22 | tekkub | yea, I'm guessing they realized that they shouldn't be pissing people off |
| 23:25.26 | mikma | my addons have 0 licenses in them etc |
| 23:25.45 | tekkub | if they want to get by with hosting the GPLish shits and anything they can deeplink without the author noticing |
| 23:25.55 | mikma | wowmatrix spies: did you realize that you can't piss authors? |
| 23:26.01 | tekkub | yea I don't have a license either :P |
| 23:26.20 | tekkub | it's better to piss on us then piss us off |
| 23:26.28 | tekkub | I'm sure at least a few people here are into that |
| 23:26.31 | mikma | golden shower |
| 23:26.41 | tekkub | pissing people off won't do any good |
| 23:27.02 | mikma | it's a big channel, we have a big chance that there is people who like that |
| 23:27.59 | Lunessa | Hey |Jelly| - UI shote looks nice. |
| 23:28.03 | AbsolutRayne | |Jelly|: Im confused? |
| 23:28.11 | AbsolutRayne | Also, yes, the UI looks beautiful |
| 23:28.18 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly |
| 23:28.29 | |Jelly| | Raybe: >100 addons |
| 23:28.33 | |Jelly| | Rayne* |
| 23:28.37 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474161860&sid=1 tempting to tl;dr but well worth the time to read |
| 23:28.39 | Arrowmaster | hehe looks like me posting that wowmatrix addon modifing code did a lot of good |
| 23:28.50 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: baninated? |
| 23:28.58 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 23:29.03 | p3lim | is it possible to get the Bag and Slot number based on GetMouseFocus()? |
| 23:29.04 | Arrowmaster | but the thread took a good turn |
| 23:29.04 | AbsolutRayne | |Jelly|: Do you manually update like a normal person? |
| 23:29.05 | Shirik | tackles |Jelly| |
| 23:29.53 | |Jelly| | Nope. Unlike most people, I don't have a problem with the Curse Client. The addons that I get from WoWI, I do manually update ... and as a matter of record, I have turned off AdBlock for WoWI.com :P |
| 23:30.02 | bleeter | "Algalon is already somewhat of a let down since instead of destroying the world as planned he takes the role of the imminent procrastinator " |
| 23:30.11 | bleeter | lolol |
| 23:30.13 | |Jelly| | tackles Shirik ... harder! |
| 23:30.20 | |Jelly| | ... except, less gay sounding |
| 23:30.31 | AbsolutRayne | |Jelly|: Then youre not as ignorant as half these people on the forums. : |
| 23:30.33 | AbsolutRayne | :\ |
| 23:30.43 | |Jelly| | Well, I could have told you that. |
| 23:30.57 | AbsolutRayne | And I still stand by the fact that all threads about WoWMatrix should be deleted. |
| 23:31.05 | |Jelly| | I agree. |
| 23:31.17 | AbsolutRayne | Whats the Addon above your ABs? |
| 23:31.30 | bleeter | Legorol: btw, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473750939&sid=1 "Some of the XT-002 Deconstructor adds can evade. UPDATE: We're investigating these reports. " |
| 23:31.32 | AbsolutRayne | Looks like a timer of some sort |
| 23:31.33 | |Jelly| | Forte Cooldown |
| 23:31.57 | Shirik | bleeter: awesome |
| 23:32.27 | bleeter | Shirik: I'm beginning to wonder if 3.1.1 is one of those patches where the patch notes never really matched the build ;) |
| 23:32.28 | AbsolutRayne | Id probably rock that UI if I had a wider screen |
| 23:32.30 | AbsolutRayne | :\ |
| 23:32.50 | |Jelly| | Still without widescreen? |
| 23:32.51 | Cloudwolf | 3.1.1 pissed me off |
| 23:32.53 | Shirik | well no I was more "awesome"ing the tempting-tldr post you linked |
| 23:32.54 | Cloudwolf | i had to respec AGAIN |
| 23:32.56 | AbsolutRayne | No just not as wide |
| 23:32.59 | AbsolutRayne | 1440x900 |
| 23:33.03 | |Jelly| | ahh |
| 23:33.22 | AbsolutRayne | That and im happy that I stabled out Cherry Lite, but have run into a neat problem with the Game. |
| 23:33.35 | AbsolutRayne | Being, this one: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16419502283&sid=1 |
| 23:34.04 | bleeter | Shirik: oh, heh yeah.. was good one.. So in all due respect I say "suck it, Europe". |
| 23:34.24 | |Jelly| | Yeah. That's happened to me. My roomie never crashed before 3.1 either and now, it's at least once a day. Annoying. |
| 23:35.10 | AbsolutRayne | 3.1.1 made no difference |
| 23:35.12 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 23:35.51 | Shirik | Is Algalon already down? |
| 23:35.55 | Shirik | He seems to imply so |
| 23:38.18 | foxlit | Hah. |
| 23:38.24 | bleeter | Shirik: huh? "..but when he's finally killed three months down the road .." |
| 23:38.28 | foxlit | Not only do all raid bosses magically respawn every raid reset |
| 23:38.37 | NeoTron | Shirik: seriously doubt that |
| 23:38.39 | foxlit | But so do the players, assuming azeroth is nuked every wednesday |
| 23:38.44 | AbsolutRayne | Nooooo someone unfav'd my UI |
| 23:38.46 | AbsolutRayne | ;_; |
| 23:38.51 | Lopeppeppy | Nooooo! |
| 23:38.57 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: ;___________; |
| 23:38.59 | Shirik | oh I was at "This in itself isn't so bad, even though one or two of the hard mode bosses will very likely destroy your raid more than Algalon, its that we were promised a very legitimate "challenge" by the powers that would be." |
| 23:39.30 | bleeter | Shirik: I think he's trying to suggest that cockblocks aren't a genuine challenge |
| 23:40.04 | bleeter | or, at least, can be seen as an excuse to not have a genuine challenge be part of the mob encounter... rather than the challenge being to beat the cockblock idk really |
| 23:40.08 | Lunessa | Tell that to any man in a pub on a Friday night... |
| 23:40.48 | Lunessa | And on that note... I'm off to get dinner and go home. |
| 23:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | Food good. |
| 23:40.58 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Lunessa |
| 23:43.39 | AbsolutRayne | Am I a horrible person for chasing horde around in Southshore and killing them with my Lance? |
| 23:44.20 | foxlit | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/58640/great-programming-quotes/292009#292009 |
| 23:44.33 | foxlit | Any list that begins with "C: You shoot yourself in the foot." is awesome |
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| 23:45.32 | bleeter | hahaha someone's linked http://photos.triantafillou.com/nick/xi.html in the middle of a thread about c'thun and algalon |
| 23:45.37 | foxlit | "Prolog: You tell your program you want to be shot in the foot. The program figures out how to do it, but the syntax doesn't allow it to explain." |
| 23:47.23 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|hate`net (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 23:47.31 | bleeter | which of course is a rip off of http://www.mmorchive.net/2008/03/09/14-days-went-to-the-world-of-warcraft/#more-37 |
| 23:48.02 | kd3 | grr |
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| 23:50.39 | foxlit | "Concurrent Euclid: You shoot yourself in somebody else's foot." |
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| 23:52.56 | Legorol | ajmitch: thanks for the link earlier |
| 23:54.10 | AbsolutRayne | ... |
| 23:54.12 | AbsolutRayne | Dont like |
| 23:54.18 | AbsolutRayne | http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8417/addons.jpg half of those addons do the same thing? |
| 23:54.23 | AbsolutRayne | Or am I just nuts |
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| 23:55.35 | bleeter | well.. you are nuts... |
| 23:55.52 | AbsolutRayne | Point taken |
| 23:56.17 | haste | odd sorting is odd |
| 23:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nuthealth.org/images/nut_splash.jpg ? |
| 23:58.15 | AbsolutRayne | ScytheBlade1: I Giggl'd |
| 23:59.39 | airtonix | fubar is fubar? |
