| 00:00.39 | foxlit | spilleng, too. |
| 00:02.01 | Thunder_Child | google failed me this time |
| 00:02.10 | Thunder_Child | sodemy (sp?) |
| 00:02.20 | Thunder_Child | and batbot |
| 00:02.25 | foxlit | e=o |
| 00:02.29 | foxlit | batbot is probably google anyway |
| 00:02.36 | kd3 | think 'sodom' |
| 00:02.54 | Thunder_Child | though amusingly i found "sodimy - 2 definitions - The act of stabbing a person and then fucking the wound." |
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| 00:03.37 | Iriel | delightful |
| 00:03.50 | Thunder_Child | well, that would be urban dictionary for you |
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| 00:32.35 | DWSR | Kaelten |
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| 00:36.41 | Ithato | evening all. can any of the site mods PM me just a little bit about what you're doing with the site for patch day? |
| 00:37.07 | kd3 | sacrificing virgins to the server gods to ensure a safe birth |
| 00:37.23 | foxlit | not that big of a patch, hopefully |
| 00:37.41 | Ithato | fingers crossed. only a handful of breaking API changes. |
| 00:38.00 | Corrodias | they're probably pulling a prank and forwarding to bella sera ONLINE HORSES |
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| 00:38.35 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/storage/cairennsmilies/horse.gif << heh. |
| 00:39.04 | kd3 | if only I could use that on the wow forums on occasion |
| 00:39.25 | Ithato | foxlit: hahahah |
| 00:44.04 | foxlit | "Twinks will still be on equal footing with other twinks. Just the hp gap between twinks and non-twinks will be smaller. " |
| 00:44.09 | foxlit | They changed something? |
| 00:46.04 | foxlit | ah, levels on enchant effects |
| 00:47.24 | cbreak | pvp kills should give xp. |
| 00:47.31 | cbreak | diminishing per day though |
| 00:47.38 | cbreak | like kills gave honor in classic |
| 00:47.49 | foxlit | just give passive xp gain |
| 00:48.48 | cbreak | like in eve online? :/ |
| 00:49.02 | foxlit | I wouldn't know :( |
| 00:49.28 | cbreak | the char gets constant progress from the time it's created |
| 00:49.34 | cbreak | no matter if you're logged in or not |
| 00:49.36 | DWSR | I don't like that theory. |
| 00:49.48 | cbreak | it's implemented |
| 00:49.52 | DWSR | It's sort of stupid, because then you can have people who level up their toons soley by creating them. |
| 00:49.55 | foxlit | is there a difference in rate depending on whether you're logged in, afk, or offline? |
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| 00:50.06 | cbreak | no |
| 00:50.14 | cbreak | you just queue up things you want to train |
| 00:50.17 | cbreak | and it trains them |
| 00:50.38 | DWSR | What if I just created a DK and just sat him on my account. |
| 00:50.38 | foxlit | Well, fair enough. There is no mechanic to speed up that process? |
| 00:50.44 | foxlit | DWSR: it's all about the rate |
| 00:50.45 | DWSR | In a few months, level 70. |
| 00:50.54 | cbreak | there's a skill for it |
| 00:51.01 | cbreak | but I don't think it was active |
| 00:51.07 | cbreak | I stopped with Eve before the end |
| 00:51.13 | cbreak | of my 10 day free trial |
| 00:51.39 | foxlit | 3% / day would get you a level in a month |
| 00:51.58 | Iriel | cbreak: does eve have a queue now? |
| 00:52.06 | cbreak | a 1 deep queue |
| 00:52.06 | Iriel | cbreak: it used to require you to at least log in to choose a new skill |
| 00:52.09 | foxlit | (round about, let's err on the short side) |
| 00:52.21 | DWSR | foxlit: 3% per day would be unreasonable. 3% per day at level 80? |
| 00:52.27 | DWSR | err, 79 |
| 00:52.33 | foxlit | Meh, who cares |
| 00:52.50 | foxlit | It'd take you, what, maybe 2 days to get from 79 to 80 while actually playing during usual hours? |
| 00:52.58 | DWSR | tbh, honor = XP would be the nice way to go. |
| 00:54.24 | foxlit | The interesting numbers, 1->60 would be ~5 years, 55->80 ~2 |
| 00:55.45 | foxlit | In practical terms, that's long enough to prevent anyone from relying on that to level their characters, and short enough to stop you hovering at the edge of a BG bracket. |
| 00:57.40 | Iriel | Wouldnt' it be simpler to just give you a small amount of XP for BG participation? |
| 00:57.48 | Iriel | It would only affect those who were a 'problem' |
| 00:59.23 | foxlit | Probably. There's a minor issue of preventing that bonus from being abused to level and preventing people from dodging that bonus (by for example leaving battleground prematurely). |
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| 01:00.11 | DWSR | I remember when you used to be able to be 1 level over the BG level cap. :) |
| 01:00.17 | DWSR | And still enter. |
| 01:00.24 | foxlit | It's also a more local solution. At the same time, there's something oddly appealing about characters that level themselves. |
| 01:00.27 | DWSR | You could ding, grab all your new skills, and go ownsauce a BG. |
| 01:01.58 | Iriel | What's wrong with being able to gain 1 of every 10 levels by being a BG machine? |
| 01:02.04 | Iriel | I'm not sure that's all that abusable |
| 01:02.34 | foxlit | The two presented issues are two different sides of the same coin |
| 01:03.53 | foxlit | If you make XP awarding too zealous, you end up making it possible for people to get XP without participating. Make it too lethargic, and the people you're aiming it at will just /afk out before it is awarded. |
| 01:04.56 | foxlit | But yes, awarding xp through pvp activity is the simplest, easiest, and most localized way to solve the issue (if you consider it an issue). |
| 01:05.56 | foxlit | Fun: Can actually make any keyboard key a modifier. |
| 01:08.14 | Shirik | Iriel: I doubt they would ever do that |
| 01:08.25 | Shirik | CMs have said in the past that they do not want to interrupt those users that wish to play as twinks |
| 01:08.42 | Shirik | Part of WoW is choosing what you want to do, and that's one of the choices |
| 01:09.08 | foxlit | Shirik: if you're just reading the last few lines, the conversation was mostly hypothetical. |
| 01:12.04 | Iriel | I noticed that Warhammer online gives you gobs of XP for PvP action |
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| 01:13.31 | DWSR | Iriel: It's a PvP oriented game, though |
| 01:13.48 | Iriel | Certainly, it's most certainly not WoW |
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| 01:27.25 | Taroven | Is there any way to do dec->hex conversion? |
| 01:27.46 | Taroven | (within lua, I mean) |
| 01:28.08 | Kaso | yes |
| 01:28.20 | Kaso | string.format("%x",number); |
| 01:28.25 | Kaso | will print it out in hex |
| 01:28.43 | Xinhuan | use %X if you want capital letters in that hex string |
| 01:28.44 | Taroven | Awesome, thanks |
| 01:28.47 | Xinhuan | %x if you want small |
| 01:29.05 | Xinhuan | and standard %0x if you want it to prefix "0x" i think |
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| 01:35.48 | PProvost | Does anyone know the global variable name for the little frame that pops up when you have an open GM ticket? The one at the top right of the screen? |
| 01:35.58 | PProvost | GetMouseFocus().GetName() returns nil |
| 01:36.00 | PProvost | :( |
| 01:36.06 | DWSR | PProvost: Don't think you can interact with it. |
| 01:36.08 | tem|afk | :GetName |
| 01:36.13 | DWSR | Else, someone would have done it by now. |
| 01:36.15 | PProvost | You can hide it |
| 01:36.18 | PProvost | e.g. |
| 01:36.26 | PProvost | GetMouseFocus():Hide() works |
| 01:36.41 | DWSR | Is there an API for working with GM requests? |
| 01:36.43 | Xinhuan | GMFrame = GetMouseFocus() |
| 01:36.46 | Xinhuan | tada you now have a name |
| 01:36.54 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 01:36.58 | PProvost | Loking for something more predictable Xin |
| 01:37.05 | DWSR | Because I might want to write a WIM plugin to deal with GMs (and hide that ugly as sin chat box) |
| 01:37.13 | Kaso | PProvost, if getname returns null its prob an anonymous frame |
| 01:37.28 | Kaso | there are ways of interacting with them but its more complicated |
| 01:38.09 | PProvost | Kaso: yes, like nameplates. I'll dig some more. Thought I'd ask |
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| 01:38.41 | Kaso | does it have a parent? |
| 01:38.42 | DWSR | Anyone know of a mod that will provide an alternative display of the ticket window? |
| 01:38.48 | PProvost | Hahaha |
| 01:38.50 | PProvost | FOUND IT |
| 01:38.53 | PProvost | TicketStatusFrame |
| 01:39.02 | Xinhuan | if one of its children has a name (like a fontstring), you can just :GetParent() it |
| 01:39.09 | PProvost | Yeah |
| 01:39.13 | PProvost | I did get Parent and that one had a name |
| 01:39.16 | Cairenn | DWSR: if you use Data Broker: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12380-GoldenTicket.html |
| 01:39.18 | PProvost | TicketStatusFrame |
| 01:39.34 | PProvost | Hahaha |
| 01:39.37 | DWSR | Cairenn: Spanks. :) |
| 01:39.41 | PProvost | Thanks Cairenn - that is what I was about to write |
| 01:39.45 | Cairenn | promises promises |
| 01:39.46 | PProvost | Now I don't have to |
| 01:39.50 | Cairenn | PProvost: :) |
| 01:39.52 | PProvost | Sweet |
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| 01:40.18 | Cairenn | reading the description, you don't actually have to use LDB |
| 01:40.34 | DWSR | LDB > minimap buttons. |
| 01:40.36 | DWSR | mkay? :P |
| 01:40.47 | Cairenn | I agree, just saying |
| 01:41.10 | DWSR | Now works with Broker2FuBar. <-- Proof that FuBar blows. |
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| 01:41.28 | Etanol | lua> table = {[1],[2],[3],[4] = 0 }; for k,v in pairs(table) do print(k..v) end |
| 01:41.28 | lua_bot | Etanol: luabot:1: '=' expected near ',' |
| 01:41.41 | Etanol | damn :/ |
| 01:42.07 | PProvost | OMG - why does Golden Ticket need all of Ace3? Maybe I will write one. |
| 01:42.25 | DWSR | PProvost: Can't you just strip out the stuff that it doesn't need? |
| 01:42.40 | Xinhuan | in "practical use" it doesn't really matter since most people already use at least once ace3 addon ;p |
| 01:42.51 | PProvost | I hate that excuse Xinhuan |
| 01:43.10 | Iriel | I'm not sure 'most people' really applies does it? |
| 01:43.20 | Xinhuan | maybe not |
| 01:43.34 | Cairenn | it's a rather arrogant generalization |
| 01:43.42 | PProvost | Cairenn: agreed |
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| 01:44.22 | Xinhuan | how many of you do not use a single ace3 addon then? :) |
| 01:44.46 | Cairenn | that'd be like saying that "most people already use at least one [whatever]" |
| 01:44.48 | PProvost | Xinhuan: still just as arrogant as the first time |
| 01:45.29 | Xinhuan | i fail to see how it is arrogant, a significant portion of addons on any addon site is ace3 |
| 01:45.30 | Cairenn | most people use at least one LDB? one TitanPanel plugin? one built on Sea? one ... |
| 01:45.58 | Cairenn | the arrogance is in presuming that everyone has to be using at least one Ace addon zomg!~ |
| 01:46.02 | Xinhuan | it might be an exagerrated assertion |
| 01:46.13 | Xinhuan | but i don't think arrogance has anything to do with it |
| 01:46.32 | Cairenn | I'd be saying the same thing if it were any other framework/library/platform |
| 01:46.36 | Xinhuan | neither have i implied that ace3 addons are better |
| 01:46.38 | DWSR | Cairenn: It's hardly arrogant. |
| 01:46.52 | DWSR | It's a totally neutral statement of fact. A *lot* of addons are Ace-ized. |
| 01:46.54 | PProvost | You guys are missing my point. |
| 01:47.00 | PProvost | You are gonna write an addon |
| 01:47.06 | PProvost | Something simple |
| 01:47.09 | Xinhuan | given the widespread use of the framework, its a reasonable conclusion |
| 01:47.15 | PProvost | Something that displays some LDB data |
| 01:47.25 | PProvost | And out of habit, you bring in all of Ace3 |
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| 01:47.42 | PProvost | To "save yourself" creating a frame and doing 3 lines of persistence coding yourself |
| 01:47.54 | PProvost | Was that reasonable? Or a crappy design decision? |
| 01:47.56 | Xinhuan | i understand your point. |
| 01:47.58 | PProvost | I say the latter. |
| 01:48.05 | Xinhuan | but your point has little relevance to my point! |
| 01:48.15 | PProvost | I went first! :) |
| 01:48.17 | Xinhuan | my point was from a performanec point of view, it will usually have little effect |
| 01:48.35 | PProvost | And that argument leads to the dumb behavior I'm complaining about. |
| 01:48.49 | Xinhuan | just because it included whole of ace3 wouldn't make it run slower ;p |
| 01:49.17 | PProvost | I said nothing about performance |
| 01:49.23 | PProvost | That was your rathole argument |
| 01:50.02 | ZorbaTHut | if it's not about performance, what makes it bad? |
| 01:50.18 | Cairenn | no one said it was "bad" |
| 01:50.23 | Cairenn | no one said it was "good" |
| 01:50.36 | ZorbaTHut | pprovost seems to think it's a crappy design decision |
| 01:50.39 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious what makes it crappy |
| 01:50.47 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Needless depends. |
| 01:50.59 | Shadowed | Needless dependencies you mean? |
| 01:51.00 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, so what makes those bad? |
| 01:51.28 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Memory usage. If that was the only Ace3 addon you were running, you just bloated the mem usage of an extremely simple addon by a considerable amount (probably a few MB, at least). |
| 01:51.37 | Shadowed | No, bad DWSR |
| 01:51.38 | Shadowed | bad |
| 01:51.44 | Shadowed | memory usage is a horrible stat to go off of |
| 01:51.52 | ZorbaTHut | True. But if that's the only Ace3 addon the person is running, then their memory usage is probably very minimal in the first place |
| 01:51.58 | ZorbaTHut | and they'll be going from 2mb to 5mb |
| 01:51.59 | DWSR | Shadowed: It isn't if you're only running 1GB of RAM. please. |
| 01:52.22 | Shadowed | It still is, you really would save more memory running a single less program in the background than getting anal over WoW addon memory |
| 01:52.31 | kd3 | people with 1gb of ram are going to have a hard time going to dalaran, much less deal with addons |
| 01:52.38 | Xinhuan | fyi, i run Ace3 disembedded, 15 addons use it, and it only uses 693kb of ram, fully loaded :) |
| 01:52.41 | DWSR | Shadowed: I didn't say I agree with it, I just said that it makes a difference. |
| 01:52.42 | Shadowed | what kd3 said too |
| 01:52.45 | Xinhuan | its not even anywhere close to 1 mb |
| 01:52.50 | DWSR | kd3: It's doable. Done it. |
| 01:52.57 | Shadowed | his point |
| 01:52.58 | Shadowed | is |
| 01:53.08 | Shadowed | If you're running at 1GB of RAM, you're going to have other issues besides addons memory usage |
| 01:53.15 | Shadowed | (stupid line breaks) |
| 01:53.44 | DWSR | Shadowed: What about if you're running WoW and that extra 693k of RAM happens to get written to a bad mem address? |
| 01:53.51 | DWSR | WOW CRASHSPLOSION ERROR REPORT. |
| 01:53.56 | DWSR | :D |
| 01:53.57 | Shadowed | What if God strikes you dead and you're not able to play WoW anymore period |
| 01:54.06 | Shadowed | you'd be screwed |
| 01:54.06 | ZorbaTHut | what if god strikes you dead because you're *not* using ace |
| 01:54.09 | ZorbaTHut | did you think about *that* |
| 01:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think you did >:( |
| 01:54.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I did. |
| 01:54.25 | ZorbaTHut | oh. |
| 01:54.26 | DWSR | But then I figured I'd be dead, so I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 01:54.26 | ZorbaTHut | Alright. |
| 01:55.19 | DWSR | (btw, don't try to troll the troll. He will just troll over you.) :P |
| 01:59.31 | Wobin | also any addon that loads every single ace3 library without a very good reason needs to be shot |
| 01:59.41 | Wobin | Or perhaps named BangAddon |
| 02:01.53 | Xinhuan | i hope patch isn't tomorrow |
| 02:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | why not? |
| 02:02.20 | kd3 | shouldn't be... it'll only be monday |
| 02:02.30 | Xinhuan | cos i'm not ready for it yet |
| 02:02.34 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thats a good reason kd3 |
| 02:02.52 | Xinhuan | well by tomorrow, i mean "this week" |
| 02:03.04 | NightHawkTheSane | because those two are completely synonymous. ;) |
| 02:03.26 | Xinhuan | well its monday morning here :) |
| 02:03.32 | Xinhuan | so "tomorrow" is correct for me |
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| 02:18.00 | Shirik | I don't want to hear any crap from anyone about asking this |
| 02:18.02 | Shirik | just answer the question |
| 02:18.08 | Shirik | is the function called getglobal() ? |
| 02:18.13 | Shirik | and setglobal() ? |
| 02:18.25 | DWSR | Shirik: Umm....WoWP or WoWW? |
| 02:18.35 | Shirik | huh? |
| 02:18.48 | DWSR | (WoWProgramming or WoWWiki)? |
| 02:18.59 | Shirik | suffice to say I already know the answer |
| 02:19.03 | Shirik | Yet I get |
| 02:19.04 | Shirik | attempt to call global 'setglobal' (a nil value) |
| 02:19.04 | Shirik | De |
| 02:19.33 | Kaso | has some addon nil'ed it? |
| 02:20.07 | Xinhuan | Shirik, yes to both |
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| 02:35.56 | Taroven | Is there a quick way to set attributes to multiple frames/fontstrings at once without a bunch of copypaste? |
| 02:36.17 | Iriel | make a function to do it which takes the frame/string as its parameter |
| 02:36.20 | Iriel | then call it a bunch of times |
| 02:36.34 | Iriel | or if these are frames you're creating, use a template with a bunch of initial attributes |
| 02:37.05 | Taroven | Hm. |
| 02:37.37 | Taroven | I can work with that. |
| 02:37.40 | Taroven | Thanks., |
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| 02:38.42 | Taroven | For the function example... |
| 02:38.51 | Taroven | local function Addon_ApplyFonts(fs) |
| 02:38.57 | Taroven | fs:SetFont(foo) |
| 02:38.59 | Taroven | correct? |
| 02:39.37 | Iriel | yes |
| 02:39.47 | Taroven | Thanks again Iriel. ^_^ |
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| 02:49.26 | TC-Away | anyone remember the name of the site or software that was supposed to allow you to edit individual sounds in a pre compiled audio file in realtime? |
| 02:51.01 | Taroven | I should be able to do fontstring:SetWidth(GetParent():GetWidth()), right? |
| 02:51.42 | Iriel | Taroven: you can, yes, or you can just set your anchors on both sides of the parent |
| 02:51.56 | Iriel | I tend to use anchors over forced width if i'm aligning 2 frames |
| 02:52.11 | Taroven | Same, but this one's a special case. Thanks. |
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| 03:04.38 | Thunder_Child | nvm, found it |
| 03:10.58 | Ackis | your penis? |
| 03:12.05 | Arrowmaster | hmm had to fire up bittorrent since i dont see anywhere else to get the new doctor who special yet |
| 03:12.26 | Arrowmaster | noticed my ratio stat in azureus has droped to 0.800, the funny part is how long it takes for that to move since the statistics page has me at 1.424TB/1.139TB |
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| 03:13.10 | haste | so glad I don't have a total stat like that here :p |
| 03:14.33 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, yes |
| 03:17.59 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: rof. |
| 03:18.11 | DWSR | I wouldn't want to see my total transfer statistic. |
| 03:18.12 | Thunder_Child | lol, 2 pizza topping categorys, 'Meats' and 'Unmeats' |
| 03:18.21 | DWSR | IT's easily a few TB, and >3 ratio. |
| 03:18.25 | kd3 | meats: yes. unmeats: no |
| 03:18.33 | Arrowmaster | i stoped using bittorrent a few years ago |
| 03:18.40 | Thunder_Child | mine is 1167mb down and 458gb up |
| 03:19.01 | kd3 | wishes he had the upstream to maintain a 1.5+ ratio |
| 03:19.07 | kd3 | it's hard enough to keep close to 1.0 |
| 03:19.08 | Thunder_Child | s/mb/gb/ |
| 03:19.32 | Arrowmaster | i once had a 3.0 ratio on a private tracker but its done to like 1.4 now |
| 03:19.55 | Arrowmaster | but thats with less than 400gb downloaded from that tracker |
| 03:20.16 | DWSR | oh lol |
| 03:20.19 | Arrowmaster | its umm a special content tracker |
| 03:20.20 | DWSR | My ratio at UGamer is awesome. |
| 03:20.34 | Thunder_Child | 'special |
| 03:20.35 | Thunder_Child | ' |
| 03:20.55 | Arrowmaster | 4 letter word |
| 03:21.02 | Thunder_Child | ofc |
| 03:21.31 | DWSR | Up: 322.70 GB Down: 78.56 GB Ratio: 4.108 <- At x264. :) |
| 03:22.44 | Arrowmaster | it sucked when my isp droped their usenet server, sent me back to bittorrent for new tv shows that i cant find on xdcc bots on another irc network |
| 03:23.15 | Thunder_Child | i never did like xdcc |
| 03:23.29 | kd3 | it's great if you're on a connection where it's not broken |
| 03:23.33 | kd3 | and if you know where to look |
| 03:24.26 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You need invites for HD content? |
| 03:24.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont dl HD |
| 03:25.08 | DWSR | You looking for any invites to anything? I have ~13 trackers on PU status. |
| 03:25.10 | Arrowmaster | takes too much space |
| 03:33.08 | Ackis | any vets or vet techs here? |
| 03:33.25 | DWSR | Ackis: No, but what's up? |
| 03:33.33 | Cairenn | Ackis: what's wrong? |
| 03:33.59 | Ackis | hamster got loose... hardly breathing, no movement |
| 03:34.06 | Cairenn | :( |
| 03:34.29 | DWSR | Ackis: knocked unconcious/sleeping? |
| 03:35.11 | Ackis | DWSR: dying |
| 03:35.37 | DWSR | Ackis: Rush to vet? |
| 03:36.23 | Ackis | $10 hamster, $100 vet visit |
| 03:36.41 | DWSR | Ackis: How much do you love it? :( |
| 03:37.08 | Ackis | $10 hamster, $100 vet visit :P it's being pragmatic |
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| 03:50.30 | Ackis | she just died... |
| 03:52.54 | Cairenn | :( |
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| 04:12.06 | tekkub | man I don't know how many hampsters I had as a kid |
| 04:12.17 | tekkub | they don't exactly last a long time |
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| 04:16.52 | haste | I had zero! |
| 04:16.57 | Fisker- | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:17.02 | haste | velter Fisker-. |
| 04:17.27 | Fisker- | enrages |
| 04:17.39 | haste | sage's Fisker-. |
| 04:17.52 | haste | enjoy page 15! |
| 04:18.10 | Fisker- | :( |
| 04:18.16 | haste | *fires up reaper* |
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| 04:27.35 | Thunder_Child | kd3, that was NOT a second |
| 04:27.57 | kd3 | hm. will need to work on sub-second rebooting, then |
| 04:30.03 | Thunder_Child | you do that |
| 04:32.42 | Taroven | Interface\AddOns\Clobber\core.lua:89: attempt to index local 'fs' (a nil value) ...wtf. |
| 04:32.58 | Taroven | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112179 at line 140 is where it's pulling from |
| 04:33.18 | Taroven | Other classes go through just fine. -.- |
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| 04:40.45 | Taroven | Huh... |
| 04:42.53 | Taroven | Oh, I see. |
| 04:43.02 | tekkub | are we bad bad fat people...? |
| 04:43.03 | Taroven | Was in how I was creating the strings |
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| 04:43.12 | tekkub | my mom made a ham and prime rib today |
| 04:43.21 | tekkub | my sisters forgot to take leftovers.. |
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| 04:43.44 | tekkub | we got a lot of ham and rib... the rib's already gone and half the ham is |
| 04:43.57 | tekkub | the other half we're saving for ham/potato soup |
| 04:52.46 | Corrodias | d3.net suggests the MVP program is ending. is this true? D: |
| 04:52.52 | Corrodias | or diii rather |
| 04:53.43 | Corrodias | but then who, besides a couple of visible CM's, will post? the forums will fall to trolls~ |
| 04:58.26 | Cairenn | Hey guys? Just want to give you a bit of an early heads-up. Any of you that are hosting mods on your own site, may want to consider removing/disabling your links as of tomorrow |
| 04:59.03 | Cairenn | We (Curse & WoWI) are working together to kill Wowmatrix, we're both putting steps in place tomorrow that will hopefully prevent them from being able to pull from our sites any more |
| 04:59.29 | Cairenn | that means they're going to be scrambling to find places to download from, so if you have your own site, they're going to be hitting you there |
| 04:59.41 | Cairenn | and they will chew through your bandwidth in no time flat |
| 04:59.50 | Taroven | Thanks for the heads up. |
| 05:02.23 | Arrowmaster | joint strike? |
| 05:02.38 | Cairenn | or, of course, you can also consider making your download links forward to one of our sites, temporarily |
| 05:02.38 | Arrowmaster | this should be good |
| 05:02.48 | Cairenn | it's completely up to you guys, we just wanted to warn you |
| 05:02.51 | Corrodias | excellent. muahahaha |
| 05:02.55 | Fisker- | awesome Cairenn |
| 05:02.58 | Thunder_Child | randomly generated links with keys? |
| 05:02.58 | Fisker- | can i use my botnet? |
| 05:03.02 | Corrodias | * cue Imperial March * |
| 05:03.08 | Taroven | Down with Wowmatrix! DOWN WITH THE BEAST! |
| 05:03.12 | Thunder_Child | you wish Fisker- |
| 05:03.19 | Fisker- | i have a botnet :( |
| 05:03.23 | Fisker- | I infected myself |
| 05:03.30 | daev | Its like the League of Justice for addons |
| 05:03.36 | daev | which one you guys gets to be super man? |
| 05:03.53 | tekkub | I want to be beast |
| 05:03.57 | tekkub | wait that's xmen |
| 05:04.19 | daev | any collective would work, I'd imagine. |
| 05:04.21 | NightHawkTheSane | im..batman... |
| 05:04.25 | daev | Do you just have a thing for being blue? |
| 05:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | he just has a thing for hair |
| 05:04.39 | daev | You could always pull of the no pants thing like Dr Manhattan. |
| 05:04.52 | Thunder_Child | i want to guess it just so Cairenn will tell me to shut up again and not spoil it XD |
| 05:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | no. the last thing you want to see is tekkub without pants |
| 05:04.55 | Corrodias | i pull off my pants whenever i can. |
| 05:05.02 | Corrodias | never :( |
| 05:05.22 | tekkub | you're new here |
| 05:05.31 | tekkub | someone tell him why I want to be beast :P |
| 05:05.36 | tekkub | I know the rest of you know |
| 05:05.39 | Thunder_Child | furry |
| 05:05.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: out of curiosity, can you go into detail what measures you're taking? (if you can't that's cool, i'm just curious) |
| 05:06.00 | tekkub | that's how Trey won the stupid game we played tonight at my mom's |
| 05:06.11 | tekkub | my word was "masculine" and he put down "fur" |
| 05:06.16 | tekkub | and gee, I picked his |
| 05:06.22 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, you know it wouldnt have been as stupid if you had won |
| 05:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | mm.. apples to apples.. |
| 05:06.35 | Cairenn | I don't know if Kaelten/Curse & Dolby/Shirik want to discuss the way we're doing it or not |
| 05:06.45 | kd3 | heh, hopefully this'll make a dent |
| 05:06.51 | kd3 | wishes all the best |
| 05:06.53 | Cairenn | for most people, it should be 100% transparent |
| 05:06.54 | tekkub | no, it woulda, she's got a fucking cabinet full of games and this is the only one we ever play |
| 05:07.03 | Cairenn | you won't even know what we're doing |
| 05:07.11 | Cairenn | errr, that we've done anything, rather |
| 05:07.13 | Corrodias | i cheer you on! although i pity the poor saps who have so many addons to update that the tool was useful |
| 05:07.16 | Thunder_Child | we will be looking now Cairenn |
| 05:07.17 | tekkub | s/most/people that don't block flash/ |
| 05:07.27 | tekkub | *cough* |
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| 05:07.35 | Thunder_Child | we blame it on Shirik |
| 05:07.50 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: you know the crappy game :P |
| 05:08.00 | kd3 | whee, more rain |
| 05:08.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah im wondering if they went the flash/javascript route |
| 05:08.08 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: fondly. it's rather fun if you're drunk with friends. :) |
| 05:08.09 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, i played it 5 times in the last 3 days |
| 05:08.13 | tekkub | flavascript |
| 05:08.24 | kd3 | hopefully not, as I'd have to open up more holes in my noscript whitelist |
| 05:08.26 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: yea, I'm sure it would be |
| 05:08.30 | tekkub | but family... |
| 05:08.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, not so much |
| 05:08.49 | tekkub | best you can do is giggle at the "my family" card and save it for an instant win |
| 05:09.09 | Cairenn | the only people that will have problems should be those that try to use wget on the sites |
| 05:09.24 | Cairenn | everyone else, shouldn't be able to tell anythiing has changed |
| 05:09.36 | tekkub | still bets he's gonna have issues since he doesn't have flash |
| 05:09.44 | Cairenn | other than the responsiveness of the sites, without WM stealing all our bandwidth |
| 05:09.59 | Arrowmaster | checking the referrer? |
| 05:10.06 | Thunder_Child | "michael jackson" still wins 95% of the time in apples to apples |
| 05:10.15 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:10.16 | tekkub | reefer's easy to spoof :P |
| 05:10.17 | kd3 | yes it does |
| 05:10.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't noticed much problem with responsiveness, so if it goes up from there i'd be impressed :P |
| 05:10.38 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: you know how badly the sites get hammered on patch days |
| 05:10.44 | Cairenn | that's when I'm talking about |
| 05:10.45 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 05:10.50 | Arrowmaster | theres many home firewalls that will spoof the referrer for 'privacy' |
| 05:10.54 | tekkub | I still blame retarded authors that update TOCs for that |
| 05:10.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I tend to avoid going there on patch days when i can |
| 05:11.01 | Cairenn | if we are successful in blocking them, it should make a difference |
| 05:11.06 | Cairenn | on those days |
| 05:11.09 | Fisker- | The refferer can be spoofed as well |
| 05:11.15 | Fisker- | so it's probably more complicated than that |
| 05:11.15 | Fisker- | :P |
| 05:11.39 | Kaelten | on a more regular basis, it's the thousands of dollars in bills they incur us. |
| 05:11.46 | tekkub | Cairenn: you should add a checkbox on patch weeks... "did this addon break with patch 3.1?" |
| 05:11.55 | Fisker- | naw |
| 05:12.03 | tekkub | hold back ones that weren't broken till bandwidth subsides |
| 05:12.24 | Fisker- | People are liek "Lol addon doesn't werk rofl orflo rofl" and then they're using version 0.1 with version 0.9 already released |
| 05:12.44 | Cairenn | anyway, we just wanted to give you guys an early heads-up, so you can take whatever steps you wish to take to protect yourselves from them if you are running your own download site as well |
| 05:12.58 | tekkub | I wonder if we have WM spies in here |
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| 05:13.03 | Fisker- | i hope 3.1 is released tomorrow btw :3 |
| 05:13.04 | tekkub | looks at Fisker- |
| 05:13.04 | kd3 | I'd be shocked if we didn't |
| 05:13.07 | Cairenn | we're going to be making joint news posts about it tomorrow when they go live |
| 05:13.23 | Cairenn | I have no doubt there are people from WM in here |
| 05:13.27 | tekkub | Fisker-: it won't come tomorrow |
| 05:13.28 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 05:13.29 | tekkub | DUH |
| 05:13.32 | Fisker- | goes home with 3 months worth of ad revenue for telling WM |
| 05:13.40 | Fisker- | Timezones tekkub |
| 05:13.41 | Fisker- | TIMEZONES |
| 05:13.49 | tekkub | LIES |
| 05:14.02 | tekkub | timezones have nothing with "tomorrow" |
| 05:14.10 | kd3 | sure they do. it's monday here |
| 05:14.19 | tekkub | tomorrow doesn't happen until you sleep or stay up 24hr |
| 05:14.45 | Fisker- | gonna go with kd3 and say it's monday here :3 |
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| 05:18.01 | Trela | :O Another channel! |
| 05:18.34 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 05:18.41 | Cairenn | this one isn't site specific |
| 05:18.51 | Trela | It looked like it for a moment. :P |
| 05:19.51 | tekkub | not OFFICIALLY |
| 05:20.00 | tekkub | we all know it's WoWI's though |
| 05:20.07 | tekkub | some of us are just in denial |
| 05:20.19 | Thunder_Child | yet the topic is never on wow |
| 05:20.22 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
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| 05:22.50 | tekkub | sure it is |
| 05:23.03 | tekkub | we just talked about the patch and wowmatrix |
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| 05:23.56 | Thunder_Child | NEVER ON WOW! |
| 05:24.04 | Trela | WoWMatrix can go suck a banana. |
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| 05:40.42 | Adys | sucks Trela's banana |
| 05:40.55 | Trela | Where did that come from?! |
| 05:40.55 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 05:41.11 | Adys | Trela: oh you *know* where it comes from |
| 05:41.19 | Thunder_Child | just Adys...helps if you ignore him |
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| 05:45.52 | Wobin | Cairenn: You should have every single link that wowmatrix uses, redirect to a zipfile with the appropriate name |
| 05:46.00 | Wobin | that just contains a Rick Astley video |
| 05:46.06 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:46.25 | Cairenn | don't know that we can identify them enough to be able to do that |
| 05:46.26 | Trela | XD |
| 05:47.05 | Trela | Actually, an AddOn that plays Never Gonna Give You Up in game. |
| 05:47.12 | Wobin | HighRoller |
| 05:47.13 | Adys | Trela: highroller |
| 05:47.20 | Adys | ~lart Wobin |
| 05:47.20 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Wobin is stuck to the floor |
| 05:47.21 | Trela | ...What? |
| 05:47.53 | Thunder_Child | it was done as an april fools joke a year or 2 ago |
| 05:48.00 | Adys | 1 year |
| 05:48.27 | Wobin | Ostensibly it was an addon that "took advantage of timing the RNG" to give consistantly high rolls whenever you /roll'd |
| 05:48.29 | Adys | actually its funny now to think about it, last year's AF on youtube was the rickroll vid featured too |
| 05:48.47 | Wobin | but in reality, it popped up a video of NGGYU |
| 05:48.58 | Trela | They made... Yikes. |
| 05:49.33 | Trela | is crossing fingers hoping to not invoke the wrath of Blizzard on self. |
| 05:51.05 | Adys | I need to make a python script |
| 05:51.24 | Adys | that grabs libpurple status messages |
| 05:51.35 | Adys | and does something witht hem |
| 05:51.38 | Trela | I need to get my AddOn's communication channel to not use up the equivalent of 200% of WoW's default traffic. |
| 05:51.41 | Adys | s/witht hem/with them/ |
| 05:51.46 | Taroven | So, if a DK only has 6 runes... why is it that when I use Rune Tap I get RUNE_POWER_UPDATE events for rune numbers 7 and 8? o.0 |
| 05:52.29 | Adys | Taroven: health and RP? |
| 05:52.42 | Wobin | blood runes? |
| 05:52.46 | Taroven | I wasn't aware that health was a rune type. =P |
| 05:52.48 | Adys | was thinking too |
| 05:52.49 | Wobin | er death runes? |
| 05:52.53 | Adys | ya |
| 05:53.03 | Adys | Taroven: it certainly is a power type |
| 05:53.17 | Taroven | Strange. |
| 05:53.39 | Taroven | Time for some combat testing |
| 05:57.06 | Taroven | 7 and 8 always return "true" for isReady |
| 05:57.17 | Taroven | *shrug* Guess it's just an oddity |
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| 06:12.39 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/112181 |
| 06:12.49 | Taroven | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.58 | Taroven | What am I doing wrong? >.< |
| 06:13.25 | Trela | Eh, is that the full error message? |
| 06:14.14 | Taroven | Nope, truncated it a bit to exclude the line number... error pops on line 8 in the pastey |
| 06:14.50 | Taroven | Trying something a little different |
| 06:15.06 | Taroven | Nope, didn't work. -.- |
| 06:15.11 | Adys | Taroven: runes[runeid] doesnt exist |
| 06:15.16 | Trela | When in doubt, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(runeid) |
| 06:16.21 | Taroven | Already did, Trela. Made sure it was giving everything needed before writing code that actually does something. =P |
| 06:17.46 | Trela | Mmm. |
| 06:18.00 | Taroven | (take out everything but the local _,_,ready = ... and print line, and you have the test function) |
| 06:19.25 | Trela | Is it possible for it to pass a bad runeid that GetRuneCooldown would return ready = false any way? Which would cause runes[runeid] to not index. |
| 06:20.49 | Taroven | Not from what I'd seen, and I figured I had enough of a safety net there to prevent that anyway |
| 06:21.37 | Taroven | Actually |
| 06:21.39 | Taroven | ... |
| 06:21.45 | Taroven | Phantom runes from earlier |
| 06:21.50 | Trela | Mmhmm. |
| 06:22.08 | Taroven | But GetRuneCooldown was returning true for those |
| 06:22.47 | Taroven | Excluding those from the function now |
| 06:23.02 | Taroven | Still errors |
| 06:24.01 | Taroven | Hmm, gonna try filling in the table instead of just setting a blank one |
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| 06:29.39 | Taroven | returns Clobber: 3,table: 18C0A120, no more error |
| 06:30.05 | Taroven | That's progress at least. |
| 06:31.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone happen to know if there's some talent, glyph, or ability that allows devastate to hit more than one target? |
| 06:32.01 | Taroven | Glyph of Sunder Armor |
| 06:32.14 | NightHawkTheSane | afaik, that only passes the sunder debuff |
| 06:32.27 | Taroven | True, but it's still secondary target threat |
| 06:32.29 | NightHawkTheSane | it doesn't pass damage, or anything else |
| 06:32.37 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly i just care about damage |
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| 06:33.13 | Taroven | eww, memory leak |
| 06:33.41 | Taroven | Think I'll just pass on using a table for that |
| 06:36.48 | Taroven | Alright, so I know how to concat with a table (ie, runes["r"..i]), but is it possible to do that with a normal local? |
| 06:37.28 | Taroven | ie, if I have several textstrings named r1-r6, can I do something like r..i:SetText(foo)? |
| 06:37.38 | Taroven | (last time I tried it errored horribly) |
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| 06:44.49 | Trela | Turning over one hundred lines into twenty is so beautiful. |
| 06:44.57 | Taroven | Hehe |
| 06:45.26 | Taroven | Trela, can you think of any way to do a concat like that? |
| 06:45.58 | Trela | Oh, you mean to basically go this index + 1? |
| 06:46.11 | Taroven | Kinda |
| 06:46.24 | Taroven | Making a rune display |
| 06:46.33 | Taroven | Got six fontstrings, one for each rune |
| 06:46.56 | Trela | I normally shove it into a local string and pass that as the argument. |
| 06:47.11 | Trela | dpbuffersize = dpbuffersize + 1; dpthrottle[dpbuffersize] = etcetera |
| 06:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Taroven: try.. (r..i):SetText(foo) |
| 06:47.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont see what's wrong with just storing them in a table and doing strings[i]:SetText(foo), though? |
| 06:48.07 | Trela | You can do things such as concatenating inside the brackets, but I believe there are limitations. |
| 06:48.17 | Taroven | We're about to see |
| 06:48.35 | Taroven | attempt to call method 'SetText' (a nil value) |
| 06:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, try $_G[r..i]:SetText() |
| 06:49.00 | Wobin | http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1439/screen19.jpg |
| 06:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. except -$ |
| 06:49.08 | Wobin | can anyone say which movie that's from? |
| 06:49.10 | NightHawkTheSane | is too used to PHP |
| 06:49.18 | NightHawkTheSane | whatever the global table variable is called :) |
| 06:49.58 | Taroven | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.01 | Taroven | >.< |
| 06:50.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm assuming you have several global variables named someString1, someString2? |
| 06:50.44 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/112182 |
| 06:51.03 | Taroven | Those would be the strings |
| 06:51.47 | Taroven | (they work fine so far, got them displaying dummy text for the moment) |
| 06:51.50 | ilovemrdoe | the dark knight |
| 06:52.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. _G["r"..n]:SetText() ought to work, but I'd probably just do something like frame.strings[n] = frame:CreateFontString(...); frame.strings[n]:SetText(...); |
| 06:52.55 | Taroven | I also tried something like "local rnum = "r"..runeid" but no dice |
| 06:53.11 | NightHawkTheSane | actually _G might not work if it's declared local |
| 06:53.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm a little fuzzy on lua scoping and interaction with _G |
| 06:54.04 | Taroven | Hm. |
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| 06:54.28 | Taroven | You can set multiple fontstrings as a table? |
| 06:54.37 | NightHawkTheSane | a table can hold whatever you want it to |
| 06:54.47 | Taroven | Good point. |
| 06:55.59 | Taroven | How would you adapt those 6 fontstings to a table? I can prolly figure out the rest from there, just haven't done it like that before |
| 06:56.23 | NightHawkTheSane | like i just said |
| 06:56.48 | Taroven | frame:CreateFontString[1](nil,'OVERLAY') etc? |
| 06:57.02 | NightHawkTheSane | well, no. |
| 06:57.07 | NeoTron | man DK T8 DPS Set is awesomesauce. Not only does it have 5 blue gem slots, it also is less DPS to use 4xT8 than 4xT7 for Frost and Unholy DPS. Win! |
| 06:57.10 | NightHawkTheSane | frame:CreateFontString() is a method that returns a fontstring |
| 06:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | right now, you're assinging the returned font string to a variable (ie, r1) |
| 06:57.35 | NightHawkTheSane | so, instead, just assign it to an element of a table |
| 06:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | sometTable[1] = frame:CreateFontString() |
| 06:58.04 | Taroven | frame[1] = frame:CreateFontString(nil,'OVERLAY')? |
| 06:58.09 | Taroven | err |
| 06:58.13 | Taroven | something like that |
| 06:58.16 | Taroven | Think I get it now |
| 06:58.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. |
| 06:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't necessarily use frame as the actual table |
| 06:58.51 | Taroven | r[1] = frame:CreateFontString(nil,'OVERLAY') |
| 06:59.04 | Taroven | That's what I meant. =P |
| 06:59.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (frames are actually special tables, so one thing you can do is create an element that is itself a table, ie: frame.r[1] = foo; |
| 06:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ) |
| 06:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah |
| 06:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 06:59.48 | NightHawkTheSane | and then in the future you can just refer to it by r[1] or whatever, when you need it. |
| 06:59.54 | tekkub | http://cocknbull.net/2009/04/13/naked-animal-dream/ |
| 06:59.57 | tekkub | NAKED! |
| 07:00.30 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/112183 - not sure about the first line, but methinks the rest should work fine? |
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| 07:01.41 | tekkub | local r = {} |
| 07:01.51 | Taroven | Yeah, just did that |
| 07:01.55 | NightHawkTheSane | what tekkub said, but yeah, beyond that it looks fine |
| 07:02.12 | tekkub | for i=1,6 do r[i] = frame:CreateFontString(nil,'OVERLAY') end |
| 07:02.26 | NightHawkTheSane | for stuff like that, doing it that way is nice because you can easily iterate the table |
| 07:03.08 | tekkub | or you could do metatable madness to make the allocation happen when you access the index |
| 07:03.27 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, thats a bit overkill, probably :) |
| 07:03.56 | tekkub | local r = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,i) local f = frame:CreateFontString(nil,'OVERLAY'); t[i] = f; return f end}) |
| 07:04.06 | Cairenn | Wobin: http://digg.com/d1oYRe !!! |
| 07:04.11 | tekkub | nah it's fun to do when you have an unknown number of frames needed |
| 07:04.13 | Cairenn | mikma: ^^ |
| 07:04.14 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.29 | Wobin | ... |
| 07:04.33 | Wobin | omg |
| 07:04.36 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
| 07:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: diggbar is bad, mmkay :( |
| 07:04.42 | Cairenn | ittle bitty seal pup |
| 07:04.43 | tekkub | awwwwww CLUB |
| 07:04.46 | Cairenn | is CUTE |
| 07:06.52 | Cairenn | snuggles the stuffins out of Dolby for linking it to her |
| 07:07.45 | Taroven | r[i]:SetPoint("LEFT", [i-1], "RIGHT", 1, 0) = unexpected symbol near '['? wtf. |
| 07:08.13 | Taroven | (after adapting setpoints and such to the new method) |
| 07:08.21 | Shirik | wtf is [i-1] |
| 07:08.28 | Shirik | you can't do that |
| 07:08.32 | Shirik | and I have no idea what it's supposed to do anyway |
| 07:08.32 | Taroven | XD |
| 07:08.34 | Taroven | Tired, nm |
| 07:09.14 | Moleculor | The element to the left of i. |
| 07:09.32 | Moleculor | Though if i==0, #-1 PROGRAM EXPLODY. |
| 07:09.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Taroven: you probably meant r[i-1] :P |
| 07:09.41 | Taroven | Yeah, got it already. XD |
| 07:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | and also what Moleculor said |
| 07:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 07:10.33 | Wobin | also, Moleculor, zomg Braid |
| 07:10.37 | Moleculor | Heh! |
| 07:10.40 | Moleculor | How far? |
| 07:10.44 | Wobin | world 5 |
| 07:11.02 | Moleculor | K. Too late then. I'm there too... forget exactly how far ... no, wait, I think I'm at the end of 5. |
| 07:11.27 | Wobin | I'm just partway through 5 |
| 07:11.36 | Wobin | too late? |
| 07:11.44 | Moleculor | The end of five stumped me prior to easter dinner. |
| 07:12.06 | Taroven | ZOMG IT WORKS NAO |
| 07:12.11 | Trela | works on level 72. |
| 07:12.27 | Moleculor | Ah, nothing. Spoilery material. If you haven't found out about a reason to play it a second time once you beat it completely do a little bit of research on the game. |
| 07:12.30 | Moleculor | Hints, 'n such. |
| 07:12.33 | Taroven | Trela, tekkub, you two are heroes. =P |
| 07:12.43 | Trela | o.o |
| 07:12.44 | Trela | Eh? |
| 07:12.51 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 07:13.00 | Moleculor | What are their superpowers? |
| 07:13.11 | Trela | has no idea what she did! |
| 07:13.33 | Moleculor | Ah, so you're like the split personality strong-girl. |
| 07:13.34 | Moleculor | :P |
| 07:13.52 | tekkub | Braid's the xbox arcade game right? |
| 07:13.59 | tekkub | too bad I don't have a sexbox |
| 07:14.00 | Taroven | tekkub would totally be the dude running around setting sheep on fire. |
| 07:14.10 | Moleculor | PC |
| 07:14.15 | Moleculor | XBox, too, but on PC as well. |
| 07:14.17 | tekkub | it is eh? |
| 07:14.17 | Wobin | it's been released on PC now |
| 07:14.21 | Moleculor | Steam. |
| 07:14.25 | Wobin | has been waiting for that for a while |
| 07:14.27 | tekkub | Taroven: no, I just poly sheep |
| 07:14.27 | Moleculor | It's better than I expected. |
| 07:14.33 | tekkub | and cows and squirrels |
| 07:14.34 | Wobin | agreed |
| 07:14.36 | Moleculor | Polyamory with sheep? |
| 07:14.37 | Taroven | Ahh. |
| 07:14.39 | Moleculor | ... Interesting. |
| 07:14.46 | Wobin | It's very clever, the game mechanic |
| 07:15.02 | Moleculor | Very! |
| 07:15.12 | Moleculor | And I wasn't expecting it to be quite so delicious sounding. |
| 07:15.23 | tekkub | BITTORRENT ACTIVATE |
| 07:15.44 | Moleculor | :( |
| 07:15.48 | Moleculor | Braid is worth the cost. |
| 07:15.51 | tekkub | wut? |
| 07:15.51 | Moleculor | Srsly. |
| 07:15.54 | tekkub | I poor |
| 07:15.59 | Moleculor | It's cheap. |
| 07:16.06 | tekkub | I'm cheap |
| 07:16.08 | Trela | is strong, flips a mother fucking table!~ RAWR!~ |
| 07:16.11 | Moleculor | Worth the cost. |
| 07:16.24 | Wobin | worth the cost |
| 07:16.45 | Moleculor | Can always wait for a 50% off sale on Steam. |
| 07:16.51 | Moleculor | Seven.Fifty then. |
| 07:16.52 | NightHawkTheSane | so, if i've pirated a copy of windows to boot into to play pc games.. is it really that much more wrong to pirate the games? |
| 07:17.15 | Moleculor | Yes, especially in the case of indie games. |
| 07:17.21 | Taroven | Totally depends on the game. |
| 07:17.32 | Wobin | that's like saying "I cheated Microsoft, a multinational huge company of a mere tiny fraction of their revenue..." |
| 07:18.01 | tekkub | okey, the fact that their page not only doesn't link the PC version buy page (if there is one?) but says "coming in early 2009"... |
| 07:18.06 | Moleculor | Steam. |
| 07:18.10 | Wobin | Steam =P |
| 07:18.11 | tekkub | they're not making it easy for me to buy a copy |
| 07:18.17 | Moleculor | Steeeeaaaaam. |
| 07:18.17 | tekkub | I don't have steam |
| 07:18.22 | Moleculor | ... |
| 07:18.30 | Wobin | steam is about as easy as it gets |
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| 07:19.23 | tekkub | bittorrent is damn easy too :P |
| 07:19.48 | Wobin | bittorrent is -harder- than steam =P |
| 07:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is damn easy as well, and probably cheaper. |
| 07:20.09 | Wobin | Yeah, but just try bittorrenting her |
| 07:20.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm totally doing it right now. |
| 07:20.36 | Moleculor | Steam -uses- BitTorrent. |
| 07:20.56 | Moleculor | And it doesn't require a search or relying on unreliable seeds. |
| 07:21.08 | tekkub | okey, in a matter of a minute I had it downloading on BT |
| 07:21.21 | Wobin | Sad |
| 07:21.24 | tekkub | I still haven't found the "give us money and download" button :P |
| 07:21.31 | Wobin | ... |
| 07:21.33 | Wobin | STEAM |
| 07:21.33 | Moleculor | Steam. |
| 07:21.41 | Wobin | failkub |
| 07:21.44 | Moleculor | They've ONLY released on Steam right now. |
| 07:21.47 | Moleculor | I think. |
| 07:21.52 | Moleculor | Maybe Greenhouse and Impulse too. |
| 07:22.01 | Wobin | it'll be interesting to see how you run the game |
| 07:22.06 | Wobin | as it only runs through steam atm |
| 07:22.06 | Moleculor | Yeh. |
| 07:22.10 | Moleculor | See if it even runs. |
| 07:22.21 | Wobin | Impulse as well, apparently |
| 07:22.22 | tekkub | I still fail to see a "install steam to get it" button :P |
| 07:22.31 | Moleculor | And/or if it starts reporting back that you've stolen it. Valve tends to be really really really good at tracking that stuff, but it's not a Valve game. |
| 07:22.36 | Moleculor | www.steampowered.com |
| 07:22.47 | Moleculor | And that is a bit lazy of them. I should tell them. |
| 07:23.01 | Wobin | that's cause you fail at browsing =P http://store.steampowered.com/app/26800/ |
| 07:23.15 | Moleculor | Oh hey: http://braid-game.com/news/ |
| 07:23.18 | Moleculor | Second post down. |
| 07:23.27 | NightHawkTheSane | I think tekkub just likes being obstinant |
| 07:23.34 | Wobin | wow, that's even more fail |
| 07:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | or however you spell it :( |
| 07:23.47 | tekkub | nah I tried to give em money, but the didn't make it easy enough |
| 07:23.50 | Wobin | with an 'e' |
| 07:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | obstinate |
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| 07:24.34 | Moleculor | Braid's awesome though. *sigh* |
| 07:24.49 | Wobin | Moleculor: ah, the torrent is probably of the exe version |
| 07:25.22 | Wobin | I just think it's sad Tekkub wants to rip the indie gamers off |
| 07:25.29 | Wobin | for such a ridiculous amount of money |
| 07:25.57 | Wobin | Then again, I wonder how much they made through Xbox-arcade sales |
| 07:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: *shrug* depending on financial situation, I'll gladly rip off anyone for software i want/need, if the difference is not buying it :P |
| 07:26.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i do try to buy software I like when I'm able, though |
| 07:26.52 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: it's $15 |
| 07:27.05 | Wobin | if you can't afford 15 dollars, you have more problems. Like Internet |
| 07:27.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: I've been in situations where $15 was food for the week. :( |
| 07:27.26 | Wobin | yes you see? |
| 07:27.33 | Moleculor | Could wait for a half-off sale, as I said. |
| 07:27.33 | Wobin | You have more problems than worrying about a game |
| 07:27.37 | Moleculor | Steam has 'em all the time. |
| 07:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | your right, i did. :P |
| 07:27.54 | NightHawkTheSane | but that doesn't mean i wont acquire thing i want :) |
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| 07:30.13 | Wobin | argh |
| 07:30.25 | tekkub | Wobin: I think you know damn well that I put my code out there for free, so I expect the same :P~~~~~ |
| 07:30.27 | Wobin | RatingsBuster always makes my brain shutdown when comparing rings or trinkets |
| 07:30.39 | Moleculor | Hold shift. |
| 07:30.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: you too, huh? |
| 07:30.46 | Jamash | I had this horrible idea, which is to write an addon that turns the WoW UI into a DOS OEM character graphics program |
| 07:30.50 | Moleculor | Hold shift when comparing. It makes it very easy. |
| 07:30.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i always have to take the extra moment to -think- which is which |
| 07:31.02 | tekkub | and there's a good chance I will pay for it |
| 07:31.06 | Wobin | Moleculor: hm, doesn't seem to do anything? |
| 07:31.16 | Moleculor | Move the mouse off of it and back on. |
| 07:31.16 | Wobin | I'm trying to compare a quest reward though |
| 07:31.22 | Wobin | so that might be different |
| 07:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | in either way, it wouldn't affect RB much |
| 07:31.28 | Moleculor | You have to be holding shift before moving the mouse over the item. |
| 07:31.41 | Moleculor | Hm. Maybe. |
| 07:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | (er, you shouldn't have to) |
| 07:31.56 | Moleculor | I have so many addons, I probably have one that lets me compare items. Left numbers are the higher slot. |
| 07:32.17 | Wobin | okay, that helps a lot =) |
| 07:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | left is top, right is bottom. :) |
| 07:33.10 | Wobin | hm, +0.84 haste vs -.41 crit =\ |
| 07:33.21 | NightHawkTheSane | class/spec? |
| 07:33.25 | Wobin | hunter |
| 07:33.25 | Wobin | sv |
| 07:33.39 | Moleculor | Can you afford to lose crit? |
| 07:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* probably haste, if you're not at 1.5s for SS yet |
| 07:33.51 | Wobin | it's not really an issue |
| 07:33.53 | Wobin | as I'm not 80 yet |
| 07:34.01 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.04 | Wobin | yeah |
| 07:34.09 | Moleculor | Oh, wait, .EIGHT four? Not .ZERO four? THE HASTE. |
| 07:34.36 | Moleculor | You want crit, definitely, as a Survival spec hunter. |
| 07:34.48 | Moleculor | But twice as much haste as crit? Definite upgrade. |
| 07:35.09 | digmouse | EU's maintenance day is Tuesday too? |
| 07:35.21 | Wobin | hm, I wonder how I can find how much haste I need for the cap |
| 07:36.01 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably on EJ somewhere |
| 07:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but if you're not 80 yet, i wouldn't sweat it |
| 07:36.46 | Moleculor | Most folk these days can run Naxx 10 one night, Naxx25 the next, and have a full set of gear for whatever spec they need. |
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| 07:51.42 | Jamash | you need 602 haste rating to make steady shot = 1.5 sec for a non-BM hunter |
| 07:52.47 | Moleculor | I've only got 400 as a holy specced priest. |
| 07:53.01 | Moleculor | ... who focuses on haste gear. |
| 07:53.31 | Jamash | so basically for non-BM hunters, more haste = more better |
| 07:53.37 | Jamash | for BM hunters haste is crap |
| 07:53.38 | Moleculor | Survival hunters are also significant sources of raid utility, in the Hunting Party buff, and that comes from crits. |
| 07:54.03 | Moleculor | A crit of about 30% is, from what I understand, easily possible as a survival hunter. |
| 07:55.33 | Moleculor | Survival hunters, shadow priests, and retribution paladins are the only ones currently who can provide replentishment, a very necessary raid buff. |
| 07:55.44 | Moleculor | They're opening that up to another spec though, right? |
| 07:56.02 | Jamash | destro warlocks, god knows why |
| 07:56.21 | NightHawkTheSane | & frost mages |
| 07:56.44 | Jamash | why not just give everyone replenishment |
| 07:57.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Moleculor: also, i have 400+ haste on my regular resto gear, my haste set has 650+ :P |
| 07:57.28 | Moleculor | They really should, honestly. |
| 07:57.42 | Moleculor | They should remove the buff entirely, and put mana regen in as a standard class mechanic. |
| 07:57.50 | Moleculor | All fights are balanced around the buff. |
| 07:58.01 | NightHawkTheSane | that has significant pvp implications. |
| 07:58.05 | Jamash | and yet now they're nerfing spirit >.> |
| 07:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | only ooc spirit regen |
| 07:59.01 | Moleculor | How would that have significant PvP implications? |
| 08:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | replenishment can be purged, you can be out of range of it, depending on class it may or may not go off as easily |
| 08:00.27 | NightHawkTheSane | moving it to base mana regen would vastly increase pvp mana regen |
| 08:00.33 | Moleculor | It can be purged? Wow. I'm surprised anyone would bother, honestly. |
| 08:00.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont specifically purge it, but i see it get purged off when i'm spamming purge on someone |
| 08:01.44 | Moleculor | It's 0.25% of mana per second, and gets put right back on the next time the replentishment provider does DPS in the manner necessary for application. Seems like one of those... what were they called... 'defense buffs' where you had it just to keep an actually useful buff from being purged in PvP? |
| 08:01.58 | Moleculor | Though I'm not a PvPer, so you're probably far more right than I am. |
| 08:02.04 | Adys | purge food. |
| 08:02.11 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* I'm not a pvper either |
| 08:02.42 | Jamash | here's a useless tidbit: it would take 1,640 haste to make a caster's global cooldown go from 1.5s to 1.0s |
| 08:02.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i just know it can be dispelled, and the nature of pvp makes it not the same as the near-constant regen in pve |
| 08:03.26 | Moleculor | One day, we will see 1640 haste. |
| 08:03.32 | Moleculor | And with that, I must sleep. |
| 08:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | by that point, we'll be 1-2 more expansions in, and the cap will be increased :P |
| 08:05.00 | NightHawkTheSane | sleeps as well |
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| 08:20.26 | Shirik | ~dict goodness |
| 08:20.34 | Shirik | ~dict 2 goodness |
| 08:20.44 | Shirik | I can't believe that's actually a word |
| 08:21.07 | Fisker- | attacks Shirik |
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| 08:59.22 | Taroven | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13053-Clobber.html - RELEASED! =D |
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| 09:03.42 | Xinhuan | does it support vehicle's mana/energy/pyrite/etc? ;p |
| 09:07.47 | Taroven | Should soon. |
| 09:07.59 | Taroven | Need to take a look at the vehicle api |
| 09:10.16 | Xinhuan | no difference |
| 09:10.21 | Xinhuan | its just UnitMana("player") |
| 09:10.40 | Xinhuan | or "vehicle" |
| 09:10.49 | nevcairiel | yeah player won't exactly work :p |
| 09:11.01 | Taroven | Should get it in tomorrow night then. ^_^ |
| 09:13.56 | Arrowmaster | UnitPower(UnitHasVehiceUI("player") and "player" or "vehicle") |
| 09:14.17 | Arrowmaster | i fucked that up |
| 09:14.21 | Arrowmaster | its backwards |
| 09:14.21 | Taroven | What's the event fired for entering a vehicle? |
| 09:14.22 | nevcairiel | thats the wrong way =P |
| 09:14.25 | Taroven | Heh |
| 09:14.27 | Shirik | Taroven |
| 09:14.29 | nevcairiel | UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE |
| 09:14.30 | Shirik | Do I have to hurt you? |
| 09:14.38 | Taroven | Maybe? |
| 09:14.47 | Taroven | Thanks nev |
| 09:14.49 | Shirik | I'm reading through your code in preparation to approve your mod |
| 09:14.52 | Shirik | and I see this |
| 09:14.58 | Shirik | tostring((select(1,...))) |
| 09:15.12 | nevcairiel | someone reads too much blizzard code, i tell you |
| 09:15.26 | Taroven | That was copypasta, heh |
| 09:15.26 | Arrowmaster | tostring(...) |
| 09:15.34 | airtonix | lulz |
| 09:15.43 | Shirik | Though, for correctness, you probably should do tostring((...)) |
| 09:15.52 | Shirik | Though in that case they are identical |
| 09:16.00 | Shirik | s/correctness/completeness/ |
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| 09:17.10 | Shirik | I do like your comments though |
| 09:17.11 | Shirik | local function Clobber_OnUpdate(self,elapsed)-- DON'T TOUCH ME! |
| 09:17.13 | Shirik | :) |
| 09:17.45 | Shirik | anyway it's approved |
| 09:18.00 | Taroven | Changed and committed to SVN. =P |
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| 09:18.13 | Taroven | Thankies Shirik. =D |
| 09:18.20 | nevcairiel | I should hide some evil comments somewhere, wonder if Shirik reads the code of my mods too |
| 09:18.31 | Shirik | I generally only read the code of new addons |
| 09:18.33 | Taroven | XD |
| 09:18.40 | Shirik | unless there's a good reason to do otherwise |
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| 09:20.33 | Fisker- | loves Shirik |
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| 09:26.04 | Taroven | Commit message of the day: |
| 09:26.15 | Taroven | core.lua - Because Shirik would hurt me otherwise. |
| 09:26.17 | Taroven | ---- |
| 09:26.19 | Taroven | Modified : /trunk/core.lua |
| 09:26.25 | Shirik | haha |
| 09:26.44 | Taroven | Bed time now. /sleep |
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| 10:40.06 | Etanol | good morning |
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| 10:44.08 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 10:44.09 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give jnwhiteh a big kiss on the ear |
| 10:44.16 | Fisker- | :3 |
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| 10:44.26 | Etanol | o, the drama |
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| 10:48.21 | Etanol | woah |
| 10:51.19 | Fisker- | kd3|hate`net is awesome |
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| 10:55.54 | jnwhiteh | Funkeh`: yes, you should download the beta version of TomTom |
| 10:56.03 | jnwhiteh | Funkeh`: its already been updated, and information about this posted on the comments |
| 10:57.52 | Funkeh` | jnwhiteh, yeah got it and managed to integrate crazy arrow into statblockcore thanks |
| 10:58.08 | jnwhiteh | k good to know |
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| 11:10.44 | dandbz | i download the wow trial but when i install it says downloading wow files less than 1 minute but it hangs there for hours, i def have a net connection and firewall disabled |
| 11:12.19 | dandbz | please heko |
| 11:12.21 | dandbz | help |
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| 11:58.06 | zenzelezz | y helo thar Lopeppeppy |
| 11:58.16 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, zenzelezz! |
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| 12:10.25 | Legorol | zenzelezz, are you still on silvermoon? |
| 12:10.28 | Legorol | what are you up to nowadays? |
| 12:11.54 | zenzelezz | nope, moved my characters off a while back. Haven't been playing much for a while, the (real) high-end raiding crowd turned out not to be my kind |
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| 12:35.44 | Etanol | daansk |
| 12:52.04 | Wobin | wow http://www.richardbox.com/ |
| 12:53.51 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 12:55.25 | Adys | isnt that REALLY old? |
| 12:55.33 | Adys | eg 3-4 years |
| 12:56.07 | zenzelezz | doesn't mean it's not interesting |
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| 12:58.04 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://tissi.apina.biz/full/15386.jpg |
| 12:58.38 | Lopeppeppy | Awwwww. |
| 12:58.39 | zenzelezz | cool picture |
| 12:58.43 | Lopeppeppy | is a gurl too. :) |
| 12:58.45 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple! |
| 13:00.42 | mikma | lopeppeppy: yeah but didn't know that you also like pics like that :D cairenn|afk does hehe |
| 13:07.23 | Wobin | http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2456 |
| 13:07.27 | Wobin | interesting mod |
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| 13:24.11 | Etanol | docktales? |
| 13:24.21 | Etanol | s/dock/duck/ |
| 13:25.05 | Etanol | purl, what if coffee? |
| 13:25.10 | Etanol | purl, what is coffee? |
| 13:25.11 | purl | Etanol: what are you talking about? |
| 13:25.18 | Etanol | ~coffee |
| 13:25.18 | purl | somebody said coffee was the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage |
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| 13:35.45 | Wobin | does not undestand the "hip and cool" Christians |
| 13:36.22 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, baby? |
| 13:36.26 | Wobin | Although that description is probably somewhat dated... it's all I can come up with to describe the phenomenon |
| 13:36.51 | Wobin | I mean, I'm not overly religious, personally, but to me, a religion is a fairly serious thing =P |
| 13:37.07 | Wobin | just saw an update on facebook "X had the awesomest weekend worshiping and praising a loving merciful God! YAY FOR HOUSEPARTY and RICE Vision NIGHT!!!" |
| 13:37.23 | Wobin | Am I just getting too old? |
| 13:37.35 | Lopeppeppy | For some people,it's just daily life, and no more exceptional to remark on than what was for breakfast. |
| 13:37.46 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone has their way. *gentle shrug* If they're happy, I'm happy for them. |
| 13:38.01 | Wobin | I guess it just seems a bit forced to me |
| 13:38.19 | Wobin | ie "I must mention Jesus Christ my saviour in every single phrase I speak!" |
| 13:38.27 | Lopeppeppy | If it makes 'em happy.. |
| 13:42.13 | mikma | wobin: religion... perfect excuse for massmurder |
| 13:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or just a lot of chocolate. |
| 13:43.14 | Wobin | You need an excuse for a lot of chocolate? |
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| 13:43.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. I'm dieting! Needs excuse. :) |
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| 13:49.19 | Wobin | Any diet that does not include chocolate is a terrible one =( |
| 13:51.03 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya. :) |
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| 14:09.27 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:10.28 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 14:30.38 | mikma | foxlit: cheers to you too!... about what? |
| 14:30.57 | foxlit | Well, if you found that ping, you can also read the ~2 lines above it |
| 14:31.28 | mikma | <0116> <Etanol> ~foxlit |
| 14:31.32 | mikma | this one? |
| 14:31.37 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 14:31.41 | mikma | ... did i do that? |
| 14:31.50 | foxlit | ~factinfo foxlit |
| 14:31.50 | purl | foxlit -- created by mikma <i=mikma@reaktio.net> at Sat Nov 8 00:29:07 2008 (156 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Etanol, 16h 14m 47s ago. |
| 14:31.56 | mikma | .. cool! |
| 14:31.57 | foxlit | apparently. |
| 14:32.19 | mikma | i had no memory of that one :D |
| 14:36.27 | Etanol | ~seen etanol |
| 14:36.30 | purl | etanol is currently on #wowuidev (4h 17m 39s). Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen etanol'. |
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| 14:46.17 | Etanol | ~generation kill |
| 14:53.17 | Etanol | ~shirik |
| 14:53.18 | purl | i guess shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 14:53.58 | Etanol | ~cairenn |
| 14:53.58 | purl | hmm... cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface, also EQI, EQ2I, LotROI and VGI |
| 14:54.06 | Etanol | ~seerah |
| 14:54.13 | Seerah | doesn't exist |
| 14:54.18 | Etanol | :O |
| 15:02.21 | Aelobin | ~purl |
| 15:02.21 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 15:02.25 | Aelobin | xD |
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| 15:05.05 | cbreak | purl, are you related with http://alicebot.org/igod/? |
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| 15:21.55 | Etanol | in my most recent gm tickets, the gms have actually written to me instead of using macros :) |
| 15:21.57 | Etanol | awesome |
| 15:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes they do. :) |
| 15:22.07 | Jamash | sweet |
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| 15:26.55 | foxlit | !api setfenv |
| 15:26.55 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'setfenv' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-setfenv |
| 15:27.32 | Etanol | O.o |
| 15:28.36 | Wobin | ~foxlit |
| 15:28.37 | purl | foxlit is, like, Factose Intolerant |
| 15:29.50 | Etanol | ~Wobin |
| 15:29.51 | purl | methinks wobin is the local mafioso |
| 15:30.05 | Wobin | ~factinfo wobin |
| 15:30.05 | purl | wobin -- created by charon <n=charon@77-56-85-248.dclient.hispeed.ch> at Sun Sep 16 13:57:22 2007 (575 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Etanol, 14s ago. |
| 15:30.20 | Wobin | ... who is that? =P |
| 15:30.29 | Etanol | a secret admirer |
| 15:30.33 | Wobin | clearly =P |
| 15:30.43 | Wobin | I think it's the -other- wobin they're referring to |
| 15:30.49 | Wobin | the one that keeps stealing my nick |
| 15:30.55 | Etanol | admin that it makes you feel a little warm inside :) |
| 15:31.16 | Wobin | sends Etanol to swim with the fishies |
| 15:31.25 | Etanol | ^^ |
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| 15:40.48 | Etanol | ~bored |
| 15:40.49 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
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| 15:51.13 | Etanol | ~chanserv |
| 15:51.14 | purl | chanserv is probably Channel Services. '/msg ChanServ HELP' for more details. |
| 15:51.29 | Etanol | purl, who created you? |
| 15:51.52 | Etanol | purl, are you self-aware? |
| 15:51.58 | Etanol | :/ |
| 15:51.59 | zenzelezz | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 15:52.00 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 15:52.04 | Lopeppeppy | Only when you ask her the right questions, Etanol. |
| 15:52.27 | Etanol | ~self-awareness |
| 15:52.43 | Etanol | purl, you self-aware, beeatch? |
| 15:54.23 | Lopeppeppy | Etanol, why? |
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| 15:55.45 | zenzelezz | if my intuition is correct, then like many people, he find boredom to be an excuse to hassle the poor girl |
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| 15:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. That's not gonna fly well. We treat our ladies rather nicely around here. |
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| 16:00.19 | Jamash | So let's say I want to start using svn for my project, should I put my working copy in my AddOns folder, or use a separate folder outside my WoW folder? Or does it not matter? |
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| 16:07.23 | PProvost | Cairenn|afk: Remember my semi-rant yesterday on the addon that embedded Ace3 but ultimately didn't need it? |
| 16:07.34 | PProvost | mikma found an even better one |
| 16:07.47 | PProvost | WhisperBroker - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13032-WhisperBroker.html |
| 16:07.59 | Taishi | Hey there, I'm returning back to WoW and was just picking up some addons that I recall useful for hunter, I wondered if anyone could recommend a decent UI for hunter in mind and does anyone know where I might find the addon that tells you what creature has what abilities and where to find them etc? |
| 16:08.05 | mikma | i has been pinged |
| 16:08.10 | PProvost | It embed 272k of Ace3 and DOESN'T EVEN LOAD IT! |
| 16:08.12 | PProvost | LOL |
| 16:08.19 | mikma | pprovost: no no no noooo |
| 16:08.21 | haste | nice |
| 16:08.25 | mikma | it LOADS it, but it doesn't USE it |
| 16:08.31 | PProvost | Sorry... loads it but doesn't use it. WORSE! |
| 16:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | Taishi, for a compilation visit the major download sites and check their compilations. Same with your hunter mod. Have you been to Curse.com and wowinterface.com? |
| 16:08.48 | Taishi | I've checked those out |
| 16:09.04 | Taishi | I found some addons aI recall but the one I mentioned can't even find it |
| 16:09.16 | Taishi | I looked in compilations and seems there's alot less of em these days |
| 16:09.25 | Taishi | Even COSMOS doesn't seem to be supported by its team anymore? |
| 16:09.28 | Lopeppeppy | Very true. |
| 16:09.38 | PProvost | Taishi: I think you are remembering Hunter's Helper. |
| 16:09.41 | PProvost | But it is no longer. |
| 16:09.46 | PProvost | See this: http://fizzwidget.com/notes/huntershelper/ |
| 16:09.50 | Taishi | I think that would be tghe one actually |
| 16:09.52 | Taishi | Thanks PP |
| 16:10.00 | PProvost | Pets don't work that way any more |
| 16:10.01 | PProvost | :D |
| 16:10.03 | Taishi | Do ya know if it still works? |
| 16:10.07 | PProvost | They have talent trees instead |
| 16:10.09 | Taishi | Wait, what? |
| 16:10.11 | PProvost | They have talent trees instead |
| 16:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | I was just looking at Fizzwidget. But PProvost is correct, pets don't work the same way anymore. |
| 16:10.18 | PProvost | Read the link |
| 16:12.33 | Taishi | Meh, well that sure takes the fun out of hunting for pet abilities.. |
| 16:12.51 | PProvost | That was fun? |
| 16:12.58 | Taishi | I admit, yeah, makes things easier but I kinda liked going on a hunt |
| 16:13.03 | Taishi | Being hunter and all, its what we do |
| 16:13.20 | Etanol | hunter + click 2 buttons = auto win |
| 16:13.33 | PProvost | Anyone running a bet pool on whether patch is tomorrow or next week? |
| 16:13.36 | Taishi | 2 buttons? |
| 16:13.46 | Etanol | explosive shot, disengage |
| 16:13.53 | Jamash | it's only two buttons if you don't use macros |
| 16:14.03 | durcyn | PProvost: what on earth would we wager? |
| 16:14.10 | Jamash | brownie points? |
| 16:14.22 | Taishi | Hmm, don't recall having es, what level is that obtained? |
| 16:14.35 | Jamash | it's a survival talent |
| 16:14.46 | Etanol | it's auto win in pvp |
| 16:14.52 | Taishi | Ah, so only obtained via tree? |
| 16:14.58 | Etanol | yes |
| 16:15.11 | Taishi | I see |
| 16:15.33 | Taishi | I take it its overpowered or something? |
| 16:16.23 | Lopeppeppy | They re-did the class. *gentle shrug* You may find things on WoW Wiki or the hunter or DPS forums to explain the whys and whats. |
| 16:16.52 | Jamash | so, uh, I have to add myself to my team to commit to WoWInterface SVN? |
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| 16:17.21 | Jamash | no, it says I can't do that |
| 16:17.27 | Taishi | SVN? |
| 16:17.55 | Taishi | So anyways, anyone know a decent UI for hunter in mind? |
| 16:18.27 | Taishi | Or one that has feature to change it according to class played |
| 16:20.49 | Moleculor | That circle one. |
| 16:20.52 | Moleculor | With the sphere. |
| 16:21.02 | Jamash | this channel is for AddOn development, it's not really for users (unless they have bug reports or something) |
| 16:21.19 | Taishi | Funny, says for UI questions in WoW Wiki |
| 16:21.23 | Moleculor | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12079-LunarSphere.html <-- But I've never used it. |
| 16:21.40 | PProvost | Jamash: please don't be elitist |
| 16:21.52 | Moleculor | Also, has anyone here finished world 5 in Braid? |
| 16:21.54 | Jamash | I'm not trying to be, I'm just saying this isn't necessarily the best place to ask |
| 16:22.06 | PProvost | It came across as "you don't belong here" |
| 16:22.09 | Jamash | sorry |
| 16:22.18 | Taishi | Yeah, it did kinda |
| 16:22.28 | Taishi | Kinda felt like I was told to take it elsewhere |
| 16:23.10 | PProvost | Taishi: I don't generally use class-specific UIs or mods. I try to be more cross-class general purpose. |
| 16:23.19 | PProvost | Most of the good addons these days handle it quite well |
| 16:23.25 | PProvost | And of course, blizz is homogenizing everything |
| 16:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | There really aren't a lot of "specialty" UI compilations out there anymore. Compilations have faded, as users got better using addons to make their own personalized space. |
| 16:24.03 | Moleculor | Wait, people got better? |
| 16:24.17 | Taishi | PP: More the reason I try to look for UIs that have a switching feature |
| 16:24.27 | Taishi | So ya can specify what class you want the UI for |
| 16:24.33 | Jamash | I use Kharthus's Hunter Timers http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/kharthuss-hunter-timers.aspx |
| 16:24.43 | Jamash | other than that I don't really use any class-specific addons |
| 16:24.49 | Taishi | Lope: Yeah, I think thats hat I ended up doing before |
| 16:25.01 | Lopeppeppy | Most compilations simply aren't that complicated anymore, Taishi. You get a generic one, and then add in the elements that you need to make it work better for you. |
| 16:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | I use Cherry Light, and then add in the things I need to make healing easier. |
| 16:25.25 | Moleculor | It's better to ask, Taishi, for what you need in an addon. WoW has UI switching per character built into the client, so you don't need a generic addon. |
| 16:25.32 | Taishi | complicated? they weren't complicated |
| 16:25.41 | Jamash | some were |
| 16:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | They're less complicated now. :) |
| 16:26.03 | Moleculor | Also, you people's complete lack of Braid-ness disappoints me. |
| 16:26.15 | Jamash | I'd get Braid but I'm poor |
| 16:26.26 | Taishi | Whats more complicated than "What class does your character play?" "please tick the following addons you wish to use" "please tick the following UI layout settings you wish to use" etc |
| 16:26.52 | Moleculor | That's... -very- complicated. You have, what, 30 or so different addons in one at that point? |
| 16:26.52 | Taishi | If I remember rightly COSMOS had a simular installation step by step process |
| 16:26.58 | Lopeppeppy | That's a UI feature that is much more complicated than you think Taishi. They just aren't working that way any longer. |
| 16:27.11 | Taishi | Yeah well some people add descriptions so ya know what the point in them are |
| 16:27.26 | Taishi | shrugs "I never had any problems with it" |
| 16:27.35 | Jamash | Moleculor: donate $15 to my pledgie and I'll talk about braid all you want :p |
| 16:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | You weren't the author. *smile* |
| 16:27.42 | Moleculor | You never had any problems because vast amounts of work went into it, Taishi. |
| 16:27.47 | Moleculor | VAST amounts. |
| 16:27.51 | Taishi | And apparently some UIs still do it, although I tried running one earlier and it didn't seem to cooperate with WoW, kept crashing it |
| 16:27.59 | Moleculor | So the UI didn't do it. |
| 16:28.17 | Lopeppeppy | That's a sign that they didn't do it, Taishi. Addons shouldn't crash WoW, so something is wrong with that compilation. |
| 16:28.27 | Taishi | Moleculor: Never said it did |
| 16:28.42 | Taishi | Someone OBVIOUSLY has to put work into it in order for it to even have that feature |
| 16:28.57 | Taishi | Lope: exactly why I ditched it |
| 16:29.22 | Taishi | Funny though cus it had high rating and download hits |
| 16:29.24 | Moleculor | You based your statement of some UIs still being complicated 'one-size-fits-all' mish-mashes on evidence gleaned from an addon that claimed to work but ended up crashing WoW. |
| 16:29.26 | Taishi | shrugs |
| 16:29.34 | Moleculor | shrugs |
| 16:29.41 | Taishi | Moleculor: now ya putting words into my mouth |
| 16:29.44 | Lopeppeppy | If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, and you'll have to try something else. |
| 16:29.51 | Taishi | I never said UIs were still complicated, never said they were complicated |
| 16:29.59 | Taishi | if you read the chat you'd find I was stating they're not |
| 16:30.05 | Moleculor | As I said earlier, instead of looking for a one-size-fits-all addon, find out what you need, find that specific addon, and download it. |
| 16:30.33 | Taishi | Yeah, ok Mole, whatever you say >_> |
| 16:30.40 | Taishi | I don't think ya following what I'm saying at all so w/e |
| 16:31.54 | Moleculor | Well, then you're probably not communiciating very effectively, seeing as how you have one... two... four people all giving you the same answer. |
| 16:33.17 | Taishi | Mole: No actually its mainly you and Lope doing the talking |
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| 16:33.48 | Taishi | And I think Lope has gotten off the subject on whether UIs have the ability to adapt to a certain class or not |
| 16:34.11 | Lopeppeppy | The advice remains: Find a UI compilation that sorta works for you, and adjust it to your own needs. |
| 16:34.14 | Taishi | And fyi, no, ya can't find UIs for specific classes that would fit all, once again, never said tat |
| 16:34.15 | Taishi | *that |
| 16:34.25 | Taishi | What it does is switches the addons to adapt to your class |
| 16:34.43 | Moleculor | And as I said, WoW has that feature already built into the addon loading screen. |
| 16:34.57 | Taishi | Sort of |
| 16:35.03 | Moleculor | No, not sort-of. |
| 16:35.15 | Moleculor | You simply check the boxes of the addons you want for that character. |
| 16:35.18 | Taishi | Yes sort of, it does not go by class specific but by character name |
| 16:35.58 | Taishi | Lope: probably the best bet due to the lack of them |
| 16:36.23 | Moleculor | sighs, and gives up. |
| 16:36.46 | Taishi | See, at least Lope doesn't get on my case about a pointless arguement |
| 16:36.58 | Lopeppeppy | Taishi... don't put words in my mouth either, if you please. :) |
| 16:37.01 | Taishi | If I could find a UI that does the feature I mentioend and works I'd tell you to go try it befoer argueing |
| 16:37.09 | Taishi | Unfortunately I can't find one |
| 16:37.19 | Taishi | Lope: I wasn't |
| 16:37.31 | Jamash | I know what he's talking about, MazzleUI used to have class-specific presets |
| 16:37.35 | Lopeppeppy | Rephrase: Don't use me as ammunition to argue with someone else. |
| 16:37.47 | Lopeppeppy | Mazzlegasm is out of production, last I heard. |
| 16:37.49 | Taishi | Just saying ya not trying to get on my case over what UIs can and can't do, your statement is more nutral and to the point, ya not trying to argue |
| 16:37.56 | Taishi | I feel like Mole is trying to argue |
| 16:38.10 | Taishi | Jam: tried MazzleUI, thats the one that wouldn't work for me |
| 16:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, last I heard it was out of production. |
| 16:38.36 | Taishi | I donno if it has anything to do with WoW's compatibility with that feature or some other feature but it doesn't seem to work for me |
| 16:39.10 | Lopeppeppy | It has nothign to do with WoW. The addons in the compilation, or the programming of the compilation itself, are out of date and no longer compatible. Not WoW's fault. |
| 16:39.11 | Taishi | But yeah, MazzleUI is a fine example of what I was talking about |
| 16:39.16 | Taishi | Shame it can't be shown working |
| 16:39.35 | Taishi | Lope: Yeah, well, I tried a link for addons update also |
| 16:39.47 | Taishi | it seemed to have fixed the addons but as soon as I loaded the game, it crashed O_o |
| 16:39.58 | durcyn | just use something like Reflux to set profiles, what's the problem |
| 16:40.34 | Taishi | no problem, I just liked the feature, is that a crime? |
| 16:41.01 | Lopeppeppy | What is not working is the special coding Mazzle used to do all that fancy selecting and setting up, Taishi. That's the sort of thing that compilations just aren't having any more, too complex to maintain. |
| 16:41.40 | Taishi | Lope: So what ya saying is the class specific preset feature doesn't work with WoW? |
| 16:42.19 | Jamash | not so much that it doesn't work, as compilation maintainers don't really do it any more |
| 16:42.35 | Taishi | I see |
| 16:42.35 | Moleculor | Because it's too complicated, aaaaaand we're back where we started. |
| 16:42.40 | Taishi | a shame but oh well |
| 16:42.52 | Taishi | Mole: too complicated for whom..? |
| 16:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | The authors who were creating them. |
| 16:43.30 | Taishi | I'm talking from a user's side of view, of course, not my fault ya wasn't specifiying who's case you were argueing |
| 16:43.36 | Taishi | Lope: fair comment |
| 16:44.27 | Moleculor | It's a room full of addon developers. Who's side would you assume to be natural in that case? |
| 16:44.41 | Moleculor | Well, addon developers and wannabes, like me. |
| 16:44.53 | Taishi | Not e veryone in here is one Mole |
| 16:44.59 | Taishi | some of us come here to ask questions, such as me |
| 16:45.16 | foxlit | Quick, fetch the tar and feathers! |
| 16:45.29 | Jamash | I tried that already and got scolded |
| 16:46.04 | Taishi | "WoWUIdev - chat.freenode.net, #WoWUIDev - for general UI questions." |
| 16:46.08 | Taishi | Thats what it states on the wiki |
| 16:46.17 | Taishi | imo general UI questions is what I was asking |
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| 16:47.09 | Jamash | stealthily changes the wiki |
| 16:47.27 | Jamash | or I would if I hadn't screwed up my internets |
| 16:47.27 | Taishi | Maybe they should put "general UI development questions" |
| 16:47.31 | Taishi | shrugs |
| 16:48.30 | Jamash | anyone familiar with WoWInterface SVN? I'm having trouble logging in |
| 16:48.40 | Taishi | Well, sorry to have bothered you all if thats the case, not my fault it can be easily missread ._. |
| 16:49.01 | End | generally keeping the channel on-topic isn't enforced, but development questions are far more likely to be answered |
| 16:49.01 | Taishi | Jamash: Can't say i've used it for a while |
| 16:49.25 | Jamash | anyone else having trouble loading WoWWiki? |
| 16:49.34 | Taishi | No? |
| 16:49.43 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, loads fine here. |
| 16:49.46 | Jamash | grr |
| 16:49.58 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeples. Jamash, reboot and reboot some more. :P |
| 16:50.04 | mikma | jamash: loggin in how? |
| 16:50.06 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/__varnish_servername |
| 16:50.11 | foxlit | 9 is dead(ish) |
| 16:50.59 | zenzelezz | oh, the wiki uses Varnish? |
| 16:51.08 | Duman | woo, varnish! |
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| 16:51.20 | Jamash | so I've been round-robined to a bad server? |
| 16:51.25 | foxlit | Yes. There's a cache between you and it. |
| 16:51.32 | foxlit | Jamash: that is presumably the case |
| 16:51.36 | Jamash | I see |
| 16:51.51 | VonhintenHOME` | H-HoS daily, try to zone in: Instance not found. |
| 16:52.03 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 16:52.39 | Taishi | hmm, so what chat should I consider going to for discussing UIs and addons currently available? |
| 16:53.40 | Moleculor | And we did try answering non-development questions. I don't mind non-development questions. |
| 16:54.21 | Moleculor | And not sure. Probably a generic WoW chat room, and/or the Hunter forums. |
| 16:54.24 | Taishi | Yeah well if I'm gonna get burned for it or complained about cus its not really your topic, I'd rather ask elsewhere |
| 16:55.06 | Jamash | or the UI and Macros forum |
| 16:55.15 | foxlit | I doubt you will. |
| 16:55.43 | Taishi | foxlit: imo I already have |
| 16:56.04 | foxlit | The topic here is rather broad anyway; it's more that you may experience a slight answer bias. |
| 16:56.25 | Taishi | Eh, always better to avoid |
| 16:57.49 | Taishi | Well, thanks for ya help guys, I'm gonna try a WoW discussion channel instead, assuming that AddOns is part of their discussions |
| 16:58.13 | Taishi | Good luck with ya developments, keep up the good work :-) |
| 16:58.33 | foxlit | "If you're dumping sensitive files, such as electronic banking statements, documents that contain social security numbers or private passwords, or drunken photos of yourself at the company party, you can choose to have your Mac securely dump the Trash:" |
| 16:59.19 | Jamash | huh |
| 16:59.50 | Jamash | probably doesn't erase old copies of files, though |
| 17:00.24 | Aezay | does anyone know if they changed INSPECT_TALENT_READY to give the unit GUID as arg1? |
| 17:00.37 | kneeki | If I wanted to hide the buttons my addon creates when the player is in a vehicle, would UnitInVehicle("player") during an onUpdate be the best way to know when to hide them, or is there some event that fires? |
| 17:00.58 | kneeki | I haven't found any events with vehicles in them in: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_(full_list) |
| 17:01.38 | durcyn | kneeki: UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE, UNIT_EXITED_VEHICLE |
| 17:02.04 | kneeki | Herm... those events are not listed on the wiki |
| 17:02.08 | kneeki | what gives? |
| 17:02.15 | durcyn | wiki is out of date, welcome to 3.0 |
| 17:02.20 | kneeki | lol woo |
| 17:02.31 | Aezay | you can just search the FrameXML |
| 17:08.15 | Lunessa | Mac OS "Secure empty trash" feature overwrites old data with zeroes. |
| 17:12.09 | Lunessa | kneeki: You can also look into hiding the buttons if "bonusbar:5" is active since that's the bar the UI uses for vehichles. |
| 17:12.15 | Fisker- | fail |
| 17:12.23 | Fisker- | that isn't very secure at all |
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| 17:12.46 | kneeki | Lunessa: Mhmm |
| 17:13.01 | kneeki | There is not some sort of 'secure hide' feature is there? |
| 17:13.23 | kneeki | I have a feeling I'm going to get a lot of "An addon has attempted... blah blah blah" using the event and using a for loop to hide them |
| 17:13.27 | Lunessa | fisker? The secure empty trash is the same as the DOD standard for obliterating a file. It's a three pass delete |
| 17:14.07 | foxlit | Honestly, I just wanted to point out the *drunken photos* part. |
| 17:17.59 | Kaso | the DOD standard is stupid |
| 17:18.01 | Kaso | one wipe is enough |
| 17:18.12 | Kaso | dont get me started on mac osx's 7 and *35* wipe deletes |
| 17:18.27 | Kaso | well actually the dod standard is fairly senisble in context |
| 17:18.32 | Kaso | but for home use its stupid |
| 17:19.18 | Lunessa | Kaso: They included it so that they could sell Macs to the US Government. |
| 17:19.32 | Kaso | that makes sense sorta |
| 17:19.42 | Kaso | but still doesnt explain the 35 wipe nonsense |
| 17:19.54 | Kaso | even guttman doesn't say it should be used like that, and he invented it |
| 17:21.14 | Lunessa | *shrug* I don't care. I can count on the fingers of one hand the times I've needed a "secure" wipe of any file. |
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| 17:27.46 | Jamash | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112205 <-- event diff from live to PTR |
| 17:30.26 | Jamash | it's not really a secure wipe unless you wipe all free space as well |
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| 17:31.25 | durcyn | Kaso: only 35? the department of defense has recovered data wiped 70+ times with an electron microscope |
| 17:31.45 | Jamash | well if you want data wiped to that level you need to melt the platters |
| 17:31.46 | Kaso | lol |
| 17:32.09 | Kaso | i do hope thats a joke |
| 17:32.29 | Lunessa | How much security is secure? That's up to each user to decide. |
| 17:32.32 | durcyn | nah, he's right. thermite. |
| 17:32.35 | durcyn | or an acid bath. |
| 17:33.06 | Jamash | the question is how much do you want an adversary to spend to recover your data |
| 17:33.15 | Kaso | 1 wipe is secure, its up to users to decided if they want to waste their time doing extra |
| 17:33.16 | zenzelezz | if you have something that secret, drop it in the deep ocean or something instead |
| 17:33.38 | Jamash | if you wipe your hard drive and they can guess your email password you've accomplished nothing |
| 17:34.21 | Jamash | or take your flash drive, etc. |
| 17:35.43 | Kaso | http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 17:36.55 | Jamash | ^ |
| 17:41.10 | Jamash | I'm trying to use TortoiseSVN to import my addon into my freshly-created WoWInterface repository, and it's not accepting my WoWInterface username and password |
| 17:43.26 | Jamash | okay I had to RTFM |
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| 17:50.24 | Etanol | kek? |
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| 18:06.36 | Etanol | ~irc |
| 18:06.55 | Etanol | ~purl |
| 18:06.56 | purl | ACTION purrs |
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| 18:13.09 | Thunder_Child | ~irc |
| 18:13.10 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 18:13.32 | Thunder_Child | i should not have had to recreate that |
| 18:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | Purl had a... memory lapse, TC. |
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| 18:17.44 | Etanol | memory lapse? |
| 18:18.25 | Thunder_Child | if only Lopeppeppy, if only |
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| 18:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | She forgot a bunch of stuff that had been programmed in. |
| 18:24.50 | Etanol | is she programmed to function a little lika an AI? |
| 18:24.54 | Etanol | like, learning from input? |
| 18:25.05 | Etanol | or does she only store |
| 18:25.46 | Thunder_Child | store, you have to specificly call her to imput info |
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| 18:38.19 | Taroven | Is there a list of vehicle-related events somewhere? |
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| 18:38.29 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 18:39.45 | Lunessa | Seerah: <3 for PocketPlot. |
| 18:40.02 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Lunessa. |
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| 18:41.51 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa |
| 18:44.33 | Lunessa | I switched to it from SexyMap for performance reasons, and it's pretty slick. :) |
| 18:47.04 | foxlit | what the who know? |
| 18:47.53 | foxlit | but it's not animated OR glowing :( |
| 18:48.24 | Lunessa | I was using a plain square in SexyMap anyway. |
| 18:48.41 | foxlit | Meh, I thought the art was more or less the only appealing thing |
| 18:49.05 | Lunessa | The feature I most liked about it was the way it would control mini-map attached buttons, and ... well, I didn't need the rest for that. |
| 18:49.14 | foxlit | I could probably go with something that'd hide minimap shortcuts unless you hover over the minimap, but that's so low-key that I cba to look for it. |
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| 18:49.54 | foxlit | Could do all sorts of awesome visualizations with the glow around minimap, especially if you're positioning it somewhere it can be seen. |
| 18:49.55 | Lunessa | foxlit: Same here. |
| 18:50.58 | Lunessa | SexyMap has it's place. If I wanted a graphically intense UI, but right now I'm going semi-minmal and looking for performance. It sort of matters when I'm 2-boxing. |
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| 18:53.50 | Codex| | if i have 2 unknown mods both giving tooltip mouseover of items an icon, how can i detect which 2 mods are doing thing? |
| 18:55.06 | mikma | disable mods one by one |
| 18:55.07 | durcyn | Codex|: search for OnHyperlinkEnter hooks |
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| 18:55.08 | Seerah | look at addon names and descriptions from the addons enable list |
| 18:55.18 | Seerah | or mikma's (though I'd do half/half) |
| 18:55.34 | Codex| | how do i search for the hooks? |
| 18:55.54 | mikma | ~seerah |
| 18:55.55 | purl | [seerah] sexy zebra |
| 18:56.06 | mikma | i can ping too! |
| 18:56.15 | Seerah | hehe |
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| 18:56.52 | Seerah | ~factinfo seerah |
| 18:56.52 | purl | seerah -- created by mikma <i=mikma@reaktio.net> 3h 58m 13s ago; it has been requested once, last by mikma, 57s ago. |
| 18:57.06 | mikma | whisles and walks away |
| 18:57.16 | Seerah | huggles mikma |
| 18:57.21 | Lunessa | Wait, you became a sexy zebra? Someone in here is a furry? |
| 18:57.29 | mikma | lunessa: tekkub is |
| 18:57.44 | tekkub | duh |
| 18:57.44 | Seerah | I didn't know I was a zebra - they seem to have too long legs for gnomes... |
| 18:57.53 | Lunessa | no, he likes furry men, not anthropomorphic animals. |
| 18:57.59 | Codex| | how do i search for thise hooks durcyn? |
| 18:58.13 | Seerah | Codex|: do mine and mikma's suggestions first |
| 18:58.17 | mikma | grep -r interestingHook * |
| 18:58.28 | Seerah | :P |
| 18:58.37 | durcyn | find.exe, if you're on -that- operating system |
| 18:58.53 | Seerah | I found how to expanded my windows search to include lua and xml |
| 18:58.53 | Codex| | the addons dont have that feature in their description, andi have much too many addons to disable one by one |
| 18:59.03 | Codex| | isnt there a /script to show what hooks are currently on the tooltip? |
| 18:59.09 | Seerah | I said do half and half not one by one |
| 18:59.13 | foxlit | You tell us :) |
| 18:59.20 | durcyn | binary search, man, not one-by-one |
| 18:59.35 | durcyn | also, are you using Chatter? its LinkHover module is on by default. |
| 18:59.39 | Seerah | (binary == half and half) |
| 18:59.55 | Codex| | im not using chatter, idcard, or lootlink which all have that feature |
| 19:00.03 | Seerah | I believe he's looking for whatever adds an icon - I don't recall chatter doing that, but /shrug |
| 19:00.11 | Seerah | idcard gives an icon |
| 19:00.30 | Seerah | that's the sole purpose of the mod, iirc |
| 19:00.43 | durcyn | are you talking about tooltips, hyperlink mouseovers, or inline in chat, Codex|? |
| 19:01.02 | Codex| | tooltip icons for items |
| 19:01.11 | Codex| | when clicked on from chat |
| 19:01.16 | durcyn | tooltips then. |
| 19:01.17 | tekkub | poor poor Lunessa |
| 19:01.30 | tekkub | so oblivious to the obvious |
| 19:01.48 | foxlit | I propose a /whodidwhat universal slash command that instantly forces all addons to take credit for their modifications |
| 19:02.04 | durcyn | in that case, you're looking for script hooks on ItemRefTooltip |
| 19:02.05 | Seerah | Codex|: I thought you said you looked through all of your addons/descriptions? IDCard's notes field says "Adds an item icon to static item tooltip windows." |
| 19:02.12 | Lunessa | tekkub: Yes, that's me - oblivious. |
| 19:02.29 | tekkub | why the hell do you think I like furry men? :P |
| 19:02.36 | Seerah | disable IDCard to see if it's malfunctioning and adding two icons or if you still have another one doing that |
| 19:02.39 | Codex| | Seerah: i dont have idcard enabled |
| 19:02.42 | Codex| | so i exlcuded it |
| 19:02.42 | Seerah | because you have stated it on occasion :P |
| 19:02.52 | Codex| | excluded* |
| 19:03.00 | Lunessa | tekkub: *shock* |
| 19:03.04 | Seerah | oh, sorry, read over the word "not" |
| 19:03.06 | Lunessa | I kid, I kid. |
| 19:03.07 | tekkub | no, the underlying reason :P |
| 19:03.16 | Codex| | idcard is not enabled, so im trying to find the OTHER two mods that are both adding icons |
| 19:03.32 | Codex| | too many mods adding too many features |
| 19:03.32 | Seerah | binary search is your friend |
| 19:03.32 | Seerah | disable half |
| 19:03.41 | durcyn | Codex|: if you're not willing to search, then you're going to have to grep for the hooks, two choices, period |
| 19:03.41 | Seerah | if you still have the icon, it's a mod in the other half |
| 19:03.58 | Codex| | whats the /script that shows all current hooks on the tooltip? |
| 19:03.58 | durcyn | Codex|: sitting in here asking for addons that do it will -not- have a productive result |
| 19:04.04 | Lunessa | makes sure not to wear a fur-suit to BlizzCon |
| 19:04.18 | Codex| | im not asking for addons, im asking for the /script |
| 19:05.28 | tekkub | there is no script |
| 19:05.38 | tekkub | you grep your addon folder for the hook |
| 19:07.20 | Moleculor | completes Braid for the first time. |
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| 19:12.39 | mikma | mikma@ydin:~/ui/AddOns$ grep -r OnHyperlinkEnter * | wc -l |
| 19:12.41 | mikma | 0 |
| 19:12.44 | mikma | \o/ |
| 19:12.55 | Fisker- | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:13.19 | mikma | slps troung around a bit with a large Fisker- |
| 19:13.26 | mikma | tpyoz has hapens |
| 19:13.30 | Etanol | FISHIE FISHIE FISH!!!! |
| 19:13.35 | mikma | fisker-: f u |
| 19:14.33 | Etanol | SK|fisker? |
| 19:14.50 | Etanol | ~fisker |
| 19:14.51 | purl | methinks fisker is a brand of cat food |
| 19:14.54 | Etanol | ~fisker- |
| 19:14.55 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fisker- is a brand of cat food |
| 19:15.08 | durcyn | ~fisker--- |
| 19:15.15 | durcyn | ~karma fisker- |
| 19:15.15 | purl | fisker- has karma of -12 |
| 19:15.54 | Fisker- | thanks durcyn :3 |
| 19:16.00 | durcyn | damn it. |
| 19:18.50 | kneeki | ~karma kneeki |
| 19:18.50 | purl | kneeki has neutral karma |
| 19:18.56 | kneeki | woot! nobody notices me |
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| 19:19.54 | Etanol | ~karma etanol |
| 19:19.54 | purl | etanol has neutral karma |
| 19:20.10 | Etanol | who is the karmagod? |
| 19:20.24 | Thunder_Child | ~fisker-++ |
| 19:20.27 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 19:20.36 | Lopeppeppy | TC, that's mean. |
| 19:20.45 | Thunder_Child | that me lope |
| 19:20.48 | Thunder_Child | thats* |
| 19:20.50 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 19:20.50 | purl | fisker- has karma of -11 |
| 19:20.51 | Fisker- | :( |
| 19:25.31 | kneeki | ~fisker-++ |
| 19:26.04 | Etanol | ~fisker++ |
| 19:26.10 | Etanol | ~fisker-++ |
| 19:26.21 | Etanol | ~karma fisker- |
| 19:26.21 | purl | fisker- has karma of -9 |
| 19:26.42 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, there are focus issues, you know anything about that? |
| 19:26.48 | ckknight | with? |
| 19:26.52 | Thunder_Child | pitbull |
| 19:26.55 | Thunder_Child | setting focus |
| 19:27.23 | Cairenn | okay, wowmatrix killer announcements live |
| 19:27.24 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
| 19:27.32 | Cairenn | http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/curse-and-wow-interface-working-together-to-help-protect/ |
| 19:28.43 | Esine | Which country does wowmatrix operate from? Are you sure the country recognizes international copyright laws? |
| 19:28.50 | Esine | If not, then they are not doing anything illegal. |
| 19:29.06 | Cairenn | they most certainly are |
| 19:29.08 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: Blizz bug |
| 19:29.29 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/polls/wow-matrix-is-now-dead-what-do-you-do/ |
| 19:29.41 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, '/' works but rclicking doesnt |
| 19:29.50 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: yea, as I said Blizz bug |
| 19:30.07 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, ya, just odd |
| 19:31.02 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Cairenn and ckknight. |
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| 19:32.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:33.23 | ckknight | yep, glad to be working with WoWI on this |
| 19:33.55 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 19:35.16 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, is there a way to remove just the power bards from the raid frames? |
| 19:35.22 | Thunder_Child | s/bards/bars/ |
| 19:35.37 | ckknight | are you using PB3 or PB4? |
| 19:35.41 | Thunder_Child | 4 |
| 19:35.47 | ckknight | make a new layout for the raid frames |
| 19:35.55 | Thunder_Child | did that |
| 19:35.57 | ckknight | and remove it from said layout |
| 19:36.12 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Can we break out the bubbly? |
| 19:36.24 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:37.46 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, it did not seem to alter anything in the config mode |
| 19:37.58 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: assign the layout to the raid group? |
| 19:38.08 | ckknight | Lunessa: we actually got champagne and beer at our office |
| 19:39.00 | Lunessa | Score! I want some in my office too, but my employer might not approve. I'll have a Pepsi and some of my chocolate easter bunny instead. |
| 19:39.04 | Thunder_Child | ~ckknight++ |
| 19:39.14 | ckknight | hehe |
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| 19:39.35 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Has neither pepsis nor easter candy. |
| 19:39.38 | End | idly wonders how wowi and curse are blocking wowmatrix. |
| 19:39.40 | Lopeppeppy | I am feeling a bit lefted out. |
| 19:39.50 | Lunessa | shares with lop |
| 19:39.57 | Lunessa | shares with Lopeppeppy |
| 19:40.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, chocolate for Peppy. Life can now continue. |
| 19:41.46 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, is the tooltip for the general tab under layout editor a global var? it's picking up a quest... |
| 19:43.15 | Zootfizzle | shares some jelly beans with Lopeppeppy |
| 19:44.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, jelly beans! |
| 19:44.51 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: *shrugs* |
| 19:44.56 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: dunno |
| 19:44.58 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/pitbull.jpg |
| 19:45.04 | Thunder_Child | it's amusing |
| 19:45.07 | ckknight | weird. |
| 19:45.08 | ckknight | lol |
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| 19:46.18 | Lunessa | TC sounds like your quest addon is improperly hooking tooltips. |
| 19:46.38 | Lunessa | And yes, the picture looks amusing. |
| 19:46.39 | nevcairiel | funny how the category reads "General" and it talks about the head of the high general :D |
| 19:47.36 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, that would be carbonite then |
| 19:47.58 | Lunessa | Over-agressive tooltip hooks! |
| 19:49.42 | Thunder_Child | well hookers do have to be agressive |
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| 19:58.14 | foxlit | "For the majority of users it should be completely transparent," << grumble, it's too transparent! |
| 20:00.49 | Thunder_Child | look harder foxlit |
| 20:01.01 | foxlit | Done. |
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| 20:02.15 | Lunessa | Mmmm... transparent foxlit - now with a Windex Shine! |
| 20:02.31 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/content/store/ohsnap.png << Oops. |
| 20:02.54 | Thunder_Child | wowi doesnt like Seerah anymore |
| 20:03.41 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 20:03.52 | Thunder_Child | no dl link |
| 20:04.12 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 20:04.51 | Thunder_Child | there should be a download link between works... and my fav... |
| 20:05.16 | kamdis | is that the tiptop page? |
| 20:05.31 | foxlit | awww |
| 20:05.39 | foxlit | (with a few more w's) |
| 20:06.32 | Thunder_Child | has it on mine FoxFurry |
| 20:06.35 | Thunder_Child | damit! |
| 20:06.41 | Thunder_Child | foxlit* |
| 20:06.47 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: your partial statements with no referencing information isn't explaining what you are talking about |
| 20:06.48 | foxlit | become fine for me eventually as well. |
| 20:07.01 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, "13:02.32 foxlit: http://go-hero.net/content/store/ohsnap.png << Oops." |
| 20:07.20 | Cairenn | post in our help forum with the usual info, please? |
| 20:07.31 | Thunder_Child | it was only 3 lines up! |
| 20:07.34 | kamdis | That's why I asked if it was the TipTop page or some other. |
| 20:07.48 | Thunder_Child | it was http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12073-Awwwww.html but it seems to work now |
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| 20:09.41 | foxlit | Was actually on every page, so I suppose I caught someone in the middle of some upload or some other tripwire. |
| 20:11.22 | foxlit | Possibly the same issue you replied to here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
| 20:12.00 | foxlit | In either case, I can't replicate, so you no can has a bug report :) |
| 20:13.24 | Cairenn | Shefki: /bonk - how about giving us some actual info to work with? What OS, what browser, any blockers, etc |
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| 20:13.31 | Cairenn | geez |
| 20:14.08 | Shefki | There fixed. |
| 20:14.29 | Cairenn | thank you :p |
| 20:14.36 | Cairenn | pokes Shefki |
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| 20:16.46 | Shefki | Why are you poking me now? |
| 20:17.05 | Cairenn | to bug you ;) |
| 20:18.37 | mikma | cairenn: did you see the link i gave you? |
| 20:18.47 | Cairenn | mikma: ummm, no? |
| 20:19.26 | mikma | <1557> <mikma> cairenn|afk: http://tissi.apina.biz/full/15386.jpg |
| 20:19.29 | Cairenn | been a little crazy getting this stuff in place, so missed it |
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| 20:19.36 | Cairenn | awwwwwww |
| 20:19.43 | Cairenn | huggles mikma |
| 20:19.44 | mikma | interesting fact about the url... |
| 20:19.50 | mikma | "tissi" means boob ... ;) |
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| 20:26.34 | kd3 | waking up to brownouts is fun |
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| 20:29.37 | vex1122 | I'm trying to build a plugin that can take screenshots of characters and push them up to a web server. |
| 20:30.03 | vex1122 | I know about the screenshot() api call, but that doesn't have the character's name in it. |
| 20:30.28 | vex1122 | And I want this to be automated. Any ideas on how I can accomplish this? Is there already a plugin for this? |
| 20:32.41 | ZorbaTHut | well, firs,t a UI mod can't interface with webservers in any way |
| 20:33.39 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe there's any way to modify the screenshot filename - at best, you could record the timestamp in a SavedVariables file, then have your uploader parse the info out of that. which could be kind of messy. |
| 20:33.51 | nevcairiel | You could do it in 2 apps. |
| 20:33.58 | Lunessa | mikma: Are you saying Cairenn is squirrely? |
| 20:34.07 | nevcairiel | Just a second windows app that looks for new files in the screenshots dir |
| 20:34.25 | mikma | lunessa: yes indeed |
| 20:34.34 | nevcairiel | And some addon that shows some text-overlay on the screenshot, like you want it |
| 20:34.34 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, although it'd have to wait until you logged off to see what they're screenshots of :) |
| 20:34.55 | Lunessa | Just checking . /me uploads peanuts for Cairenn. |
| 20:34.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that could work |
| 20:36.24 | ZorbaTHut | yay, darkmoon faire is done |
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| 20:37.24 | Aelobin | Lunessa: what guild webhosting service does your guild use? |
| 20:37.46 | |Jelly| | Percentage chance on patch tomorrow? |
| 20:37.46 | Coren{de}_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/Screenshot also claims that you can grab an uncompressed screenshot, if you would want to search for some bit pattern (character name at postion 40,20 or whatever)... |
| 20:38.06 | Lunessa | Aelobin: I use WoWStead. because it's easy. Though I'm disenchanted that they have a deal with WoWMatrix, so I might consider moving. |
| 20:38.20 | Aelobin | ah okies |
| 20:38.34 | Aelobin | anyone else have a preferred guild webhost-er ? |
| 20:38.36 | Lunessa | Other than that ONE thing, I like them a lot. |
| 20:38.42 | Aelobin | :D |
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| 20:39.03 | Kraftman | pokes Aelobin |
| 20:39.13 | Aelobin | licks Kraftman. |
| 20:40.18 | vex1122 | ZorbaTHut, tha'ts what I was thinking. Custom Lua function to take a screenshot, record the timestamp to a variable, then write that variable to a file. Upon exit, read the timestamp, open the screenshots dir and upload the file. I know this will require a separate program to fire off the upload. |
| 20:40.58 | ZorbaTHut | yup, that's quite practical then |
| 20:41.11 | ZorbaTHut | WoW's built-in SavedVariables system will write to files - you'll have to parse a Lua file |
| 20:41.19 | vex1122 | Seems like it's possible to do this from in-game. But the screenshot isn't the highest quality. |
| 20:41.32 | vex1122 | There's another screen that shows the character in a high-res version. |
| 20:41.35 | ZorbaTHut | but that's pretty easy, especially if you know what data's going to be in the file, double-especially if you're okay with plugging Lua into your second app |
| 20:41.39 | ZorbaTHut | the login screen? |
| 20:41.41 | vex1122 | Do you know if I can fire off lua functions from that screen? |
| 20:41.54 | vex1122 | Yeah |
| 20:42.01 | ZorbaTHut | nope, you can't |
| 20:42.05 | ZorbaTHut | UI mods only load once you're logged in |
| 20:42.40 | vex1122 | Are UI mods the only thing I have to work with? |
| 20:42.53 | foxlit | # I am a night elf hunter of Nordrassil. I commune with nature and use it to do my bidding. I am inexplicably incapable of fighting within an 8 yard radius of my person, but that's okay, because I have Snuggles the Cat to protect me with a small dps increase and an angry snarl. When endangered, I can meld with the shadows, becoming invisible, although unable to move, breathe, or act in any way. |
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| 20:45.08 | vex1122 | Is there another plugin system I can work with besides a UI mod? |
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| 20:45.54 | foxlit | no. |
| 20:46.44 | vex1122 | Ok, thanks. |
| 20:46.55 | vex1122 | What's the best site for learning lua and wow? |
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| 20:47.07 | Shefki | wowprogramming.com and lua.org |
| 20:47.21 | vex1122 | awesome. Thanks guys. |
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| 20:47.41 | Thunder_Child | pil |
| 20:47.44 | Thunder_Child | ~pil |
| 20:47.45 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:53.17 | Steggers | Out of intrest, what do you all think of the addon studios for WoW package for Visual studios? Is it worth downloading? |
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| 20:55.41 | durcyn | Steggers: i'd rather eat paste. |
| 20:56.09 | Steggers | That bad? =o |
| 20:56.12 | Kraftman | i found it easier learning how to make stuff myself than learning how to use the programs >< |
| 20:56.31 | Thunder_Child | mmmm..paste |
| 20:56.44 | geargrind | if you're still learning to write addons you shouldn't start with an IDE |
| 20:56.53 | geargrind | (even if the ide weren't buggy as hell) |
| 20:57.04 | Steggers | I just started learning >.< |
| 20:57.16 | geargrind | then get the book and your favorite text editor(s) |
| 20:57.18 | geargrind | imo |
| 20:57.22 | geargrind | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:57.23 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 20:57.45 | Steggers | =o |
| 20:57.50 | Steggers | Thanks! =) |
| 20:58.21 | Steggers | *Scraps the use of the addon studios thing* Kept getting errors anyway xD |
| 21:01.18 | Steggers | Ah, I was trying to learn on the cheap xD |
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| 21:04.58 | foxlit | 573706 |
| 21:05.43 | foxlit | Hm, too many. |
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| 21:09.34 | Fank | ÑÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾ ÑÑÑÑки говоÑÑÑ???? |
| 21:09.46 | mikma | vodka |
| 21:10.07 | Fank | =^_^= |
| 21:12.02 | Fank | how start Wow in ubuntu linux 8.04 (wine/wow.exe -opengl kill client) |
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| 21:19.30 | geargrind | farts in your general direction |
| 21:19.52 | Steggers | Thanks geargrind =/ xD |
| 21:20.44 | geargrind | So you ARE a silly English kniggit! :P |
| 21:20.50 | ckknight | I know I am. |
| 21:21.27 | Steggers | How does -that- make you so sure I am english? |
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| 21:24.27 | Lunessa | ckknight: Bah, you're not English - You're an American. Big difference. |
| 21:24.45 | durcyn | i thought he was a hawaiian |
| 21:25.08 | ckknight | Lunessa: I'm naturalized |
| 21:25.13 | ckknight | I was born in Canada |
| 21:25.17 | ckknight | my mother is Canadian |
| 21:25.19 | Lunessa | Still American. |
| 21:25.22 | ckknight | my father is a New Zealander |
| 21:25.30 | ckknight | I was raised in a rather British household |
| 21:25.35 | ckknight | tea at 4:00 every day |
| 21:25.45 | Jamash | and crumpets? |
| 21:25.54 | Lunessa | As long as you're not going to ask everyone to eat spotted dick and mutton, you're ok with me. |
| 21:26.04 | Jamash | raise a teacup with extended pinky? |
| 21:26.14 | ckknight | usually fruitcake |
| 21:26.16 | Lunessa | I rather enjoy the practice of "tea" |
| 21:26.29 | ckknight | good fruitcake, though |
| 21:26.32 | ckknight | not the shit you get here in America |
| 21:26.42 | Steggers | Tea at 4:00 every day? 0.o Can't say I see many people do that over here in England. |
| 21:26.51 | ckknight | Steggers: well, my parents did it |
| 21:26.57 | End | Steggers: PEASANT! |
| 21:27.54 | Steggers | ^^ Peasant, hmm? Maybe. |
| 21:27.58 | End | :P |
| 21:28.11 | Steggers | So what would that make you end? |
| 21:28.57 | End | I'm a high class citizen! |
| 21:28.59 | End | (not) |
| 21:29.28 | Steggers | Well if that is so, sir. I shall treat you as such. *Bows politly* |
| 21:32.03 | geargrind | 14:21 < Steggers> How does -that- make you so sure I am english? <-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OzIMHowtL8 |
| 21:33.27 | Steggers | Now that is something I -must- see! =) |
| 21:33.46 | vex1122 | Looking for the quickest way to get a list of a users characters out of the game. Is this possible at game start-up or do I have to wait until they exit? |
| 21:34.17 | geargrind | it's impossible for addons. they don't have any access to anything before the game loads |
| 21:34.32 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd just have to record it when a player logs in |
| 21:34.33 | geargrind | you'd have to log into each character individually in order for the addon to be aware of them |
| 21:35.20 | Esamynn | hey, anyone know where the 3.1 tanking enchants come from? |
| 21:36.14 | NightHawkTheSane | vendor? |
| 21:36.24 | Esamynn | not on the vendor on the ptr |
| 21:36.35 | nevcairiel | ulduar drops |
| 21:36.41 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 21:36.44 | Esamynn | I suspected as much |
| 21:37.00 | foxlit | !api string.format |
| 21:37.01 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.format' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.format |
| 21:37.48 | Steggers | GearGrind: Haha, like it! =D |
| 21:38.50 | Esamynn | foxlit: what? you don't have it memorized? :P |
| 21:39.07 | foxlit | I needed a negative check. |
| 21:39.29 | foxlit | i.e. "am I sure that there is nothing that does X" |
| 21:39.37 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:40.23 | foxlit | $time lua minmax.lua > user 0m12.402s |
| 21:40.29 | foxlit | ouch. |
| 21:40.41 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/13/funny-pictures-it-waz-receeved/ |
| 21:41.50 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format(2^33, "%d") |
| 21:41.50 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 8589934592 |
| 21:42.20 | Aezay | Did they change INSPECT_TALENT_READY to give the unit GUID as arg1? |
| 21:42.24 | nevcairiel | huh, isnt string.format the other way around usually? |
| 21:42.24 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format(2^33, "%x") |
| 21:42.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 8589934592 |
| 21:42.36 | Arrowmaster | umm |
| 21:42.36 | nevcairiel | arrow fails |
| 21:42.40 | Arrowmaster | lol? |
| 21:42.45 | foxlit | It accepts things |
| 21:42.49 | ckknight | lua> string.format("%x", 2^33) |
| 21:42.49 | lua_bot | ckknight: 0 |
| 21:42.57 | ckknight | lua> string.format("%x", 2^32) |
| 21:42.57 | lua_bot | ckknight: 0 |
| 21:43.00 | ckknight | lua> string.format("%x", 2^31) |
| 21:43.00 | lua_bot | ckknight: 80000000 |
| 21:43.02 | ckknight | hmm. |
| 21:43.22 | nevcairiel | lua> string.format("%x", 2^32-1) |
| 21:43.22 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: ffffffff |
| 21:43.24 | Arrowmaster | lua needs to be compiled with the longlong option |
| 21:44.03 | Arrowmaster | i made a post after like 2.4 asking slouken to consider compiling wows lua with that option |
| 21:45.08 | nevcairiel | who needs numbers above 2^32 o.O |
| 21:45.34 | foxlit | Demand native bignum! |
| 21:47.01 | ckknight | nevcairiel: aren't GUIDs 64-bit? |
| 21:47.15 | Arrowmaster | 64bit is too large though |
| 21:47.33 | nevcairiel | They are, but you don't have to deal with them as numbers |
| 21:47.43 | Arrowmaster | they get converted to floats and loose persision |
| 21:47.49 | Zootfizzle | Aezay: Not yet, it's on the to-do list |
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| 21:49.19 | ckknight | yea, Arrowmaster, that's what's lame |
| 21:49.27 | ckknight | lousy 53-bit precision |
| 21:49.27 | ckknight | :P |
| 21:49.30 | Arrowmaster | ah here it is, LUA_USELONGLONG |
| 21:50.26 | Arrowmaster | makes string.format do printf of %llx instead of %lx |
| 21:50.33 | ckknight | hm |
| 21:50.34 | ckknight | hmm* |
| 21:51.37 | nevcairiel | maybe long long isnt supported in their build environment |
| 21:51.39 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 21:52.08 | Arrowmaster | its one of those things thats not enabled in a standard lua build |
| 21:52.57 | Arrowmaster | so more likely nobody ever had a reason to enable it or lookup what it does to question if it should be enabled |
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| 22:02.03 | Lunessa | http://failblog.org/2009/04/09/sanitary-fail/ |
| 22:05.03 | Dagmar | Candle Fail is better. :) |
| 22:05.39 | Lunessa | This is FAIL: http://failblog.org/2009/04/01/product-fail/ |
| 22:06.10 | Jamash | april fails? |
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| 22:11.47 | Etanol | o hai |
| 22:11.55 | Lunessa | :D |
| 22:13.30 | Steggers | Well I am off, was nice meeting you all. Might pop in again when my wow programming book turns up =) |
| 22:13.54 | Steggers | Oh and End. Look after all your future Peasents. |
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| 22:19.23 | Etanol | ~lunessa |
| 22:19.32 | Lunessa | What? |
| 22:19.35 | Etanol | ~Lunessa |
| 22:19.38 | Etanol | hmm |
| 22:20.57 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Lunessa |
| 22:20.58 | purl | ACTION glances around shamefully saying "it slides, it slides" |
| 22:21.07 | Thunder_Child | uhh... |
| 22:21.13 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to know |
| 22:21.18 | Lunessa | needs a way better response than that. |
| 22:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, it seems vaguely appropriate |
| 22:23.03 | NightHawkTheSane | also, today seems to suck for getting any real work done >< |
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| 22:25.27 | Lunessa | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/fail-owned-verizon-fail.jpg - Randall Munroe is a god. |
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| 22:28.25 | foxlit | is there a post corresponding to that? |
| 22:29.33 | Lunessa | That was from Failblog, I don't know if it was on XKCD |
| 22:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That was posted on his blog |
| 22:31.31 | NightHawkTheSane | blag* |
| 22:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, I'm wrong |
| 22:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | as are you! |
| 22:31.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://xkcd.com/verizon/ |
| 22:31.53 | ckknight | interblag |
| 22:32.18 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blag.xkcd.com/2006/12/10/brazil-and-verizon/ |
| 22:39.27 | p3lim | is the 3.1 patch coming tonight or something? |
| 22:39.35 | Dagmar | Probably Tuesday |
| 22:39.45 | p3lim | I see people releasing 3.1 versions of addons, the 3.1 survival guide is already up on the site |
| 22:40.03 | Dagmar | I'm rather hoping the 3.1 changes to Macaroon will mean that the possess bar will work again |
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| 22:40.38 | Dagmar | Of course it would also help if about half the northrend quests that worked like that used the possess bar instead of the pet bar |
| 22:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Away: well at least now I have another sector on the avoid list |
| 22:45.17 | Dagmar | p3lim: I'd say Tuesday patch-time is probably a safe bet because they'll be risking running Noblegarden into Children's Week otherwise' |
| 22:45.45 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I saw that last night |
| 22:45.48 | Shirik | I love watching you blow up |
| 22:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 22:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | it was for the best |
| 22:46.05 | Dagmar | After Noblegarden I'm sure I won't be the only one with a short fuse about holiday stuff, and I think most of us already try the "are they fireproof?" test of the orphans as it is |
| 22:46.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I now have the entire universe explored |
| 22:46.23 | ScytheBlade1 | and what I don't have explored, I have on the avoid list :P |
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| 22:56.38 | Arrowmaster | this new? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/blizztracker.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 22:56.58 | Hjalte | Yeah, very new. |
| 22:57.09 | Arrowmaster | didnt think i saw that before the maintaince |
| 22:57.29 | Arrowmaster | the font makes it look like Buzz Tracker though |
| 22:57.52 | foxlit | er, http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/fail-owned-verizon-fail.jpg |
| 22:59.05 | foxlit | So the annotation misreads the i as a 2. |
| 22:59.32 | foxlit | And here was I thinking that the awesome pun was just math in amount fields. |
| 23:00.37 | ckknight | ha |
| 23:00.44 | theorbtwo | What's the point of children's week, anyway? "Do such-and-such without your orphan getting killed first?" |
| 23:00.57 | ckknight | e^Ïi = -1 |
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| 23:01.14 | Dagmar | Well, the orphans are pretty much indestructable |
| 23:01.17 | ckknight | also, he says "pie", not "pi" |
| 23:01.21 | Shirik | wrong ckknight |
| 23:01.25 | Shirik | it's not i, it's j |
| 23:01.46 | Dagmar | They can handle falls from ludicrous heights, can run like the freaking wind, and are completely unbothered by lava/poison/fire. |
| 23:02.01 | Shirik | j^2 = -1 |
| 23:02.04 | Shirik | i^2 = i^2 |
| 23:02.13 | Dagmar | However, I have hopes that this year they'll actuallt let us give the orphans weapons |
| 23:02.14 | Shirik | i is current as a function of time |
| 23:02.14 | ckknight | Shirik: you're an engineer, then? |
| 23:02.15 | ckknight | :p |
| 23:02.17 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:02.20 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 23:02.27 | ckknight | >>> 5j |
| 23:02.33 | ckknight | wonder if there's a python bot here |
| 23:02.34 | Shirik | Cide's on a hiatus |
| 23:02.34 | ckknight | guess not |
| 23:02.37 | Shirik | there was |
| 23:04.36 | Dagmar | It was like something out of a twisted webcomic for me the first year |
| 23:05.05 | Dagmar | They give me the orphan, who's all excited about the fact that I crawl dungeons, who then asks if I have a sword or something I can give him |
| 23:05.33 | Dagmar | I'd *just* come back from pillaging Scarlet Monastery, and I actually started to look in my bags for what I could give the kid |
| 23:05.45 | Dagmar | Wow oh wow would the orphan matron have loved me |
| 23:06.09 | Wraithan1 | I'd want mine to weild a ravager, a kid with one of those would be awesome. |
| 23:06.35 | Wraithan1 | spinning in circles, owning critters |
| 23:07.13 | Dagmar | [Until he slips and falls, cuts himself, and gibshttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/reset-the-root-password-on-mysql.html becasue the thing does glancing blows for three times more hitpoints than a seven-year-old kid would have. |
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| 23:07.30 | Dagmar | I'm going to take a screwdriver to this damn touchpad soon |
| 23:07.43 | Wraithan1 | haha |
| 23:07.46 | LUANUB | Is it possible to remove the line <Created By #PlayerName#> from the tooltip window? |
| 23:08.27 | LUANUB | Guess it's more of an OCD thing than something practical. |
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| 23:10.54 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:11.08 | Shirik | it may not be easy, but it's possible |
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| 23:12.49 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/blizztracker.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 23:12.51 | foxlit | whee! |
| 23:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... haha, hot |
| 23:16.39 | Lunessa | Shirik: I chose "parasite" for a reason. :P |
| 23:16.44 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:16.44 | Shirik | :) |
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| 23:18.03 | Cairenn | I don't understand how people can possibly not understand why these steps were necessary, when we very specifically, very explicitly gave every reason why we had to |
| 23:18.35 | Shirik | Cairenn: Humans hate change |
| 23:18.37 | Shirik | period |
| 23:19.07 | Dagmar | No, they hate change when it doesn't come with newer, shinier blinking lightds. |
| 23:19.11 | Cairenn | I'm still not going to give them the satisfaction of arguing their stupidity |
| 23:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | steps? |
| 23:19.38 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 is slow |
| 23:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 23:19.49 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
| 23:19.59 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Escalators cost money to run |
| 23:20.02 | Cairenn | the steps we put in place to break WM |
| 23:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ... the first sentence alone just made me incredibly happy |
| 23:20.19 | Lunessa | Cairenn: In this case, I can see that they're tapping into the same hate people have for RIAA. You're telling them they can't have Napster. It's wrong, but essentially how some of them are seeing it. |
| 23:20.30 | Cairenn | too bad for them :p |
| 23:20.40 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:20.43 | Lunessa | agrees. |
| 23:20.43 | foxlit | You're also doing that while shouting "But it's good for YOU!" |
| 23:21.01 | Cairenn | it does protect our users |
| 23:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, no details totally makes me sad |
| 23:21.25 | foxlit | Get to the bottom line: it protects *you*. |
| 23:21.31 | foxlit | It may indirectly also protect someone else |
| 23:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Are these changes in effect right now? Or is this up and coming? |
| 23:22.02 | Cairenn | you're joking, right? |
| 23:22.06 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: in place now |
| 23:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | time to reboot and try me some wowmatrix |
| 23:23.12 | Etanol | in place? |
| 23:23.15 | Etanol | what's in place? |
| 23:23.23 | Etanol | to much drama and mystery :/ |
| 23:23.25 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
| 23:23.31 | Etanol | read that |
| 23:23.36 | Etanol | that's not very specific |
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| 23:23.50 | Etanol | you hacked wowmatrix or something? ^^ |
| 23:23.53 | Cairenn | what's in place are the steps we're taking to block them |
| 23:23.55 | foxlit | They're not explaining what they're actually doing because that'd make it trivial to circumvent. |
| 23:24.13 | Lunessa | Technical details withheld to make hacking it harder. |
| 23:24.21 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs |
| 23:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Let us not debate the reasons why it was withheld, as it will only make my head hurt more |
| 23:24.52 | Cairenn | won't take them long to figure out what we've done, I just wish them luck trying to break it even when they do figure it out |
| 23:25.14 | ronghail | you'll show those damn users |
| 23:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 23:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | goes searching for a post by Kaelten |
| 23:25.39 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 23:25.48 | Cairenn | http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx |
| 23:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | re: self-intitled users |
| 23:25.53 | Cairenn | http://www.wowace.com/announcements/curse-and-wow-interface-working-together-to-help-protect/ |
| 23:25.55 | Cairenn | oh |
| 23:26.02 | Kaelten | anyone else having a problem posting to the forums? |
| 23:26.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I read an amazing, three-line post from you about that quite some time ago |
| 23:26.13 | ronghail | have you ever tried to use curse or wowace? |
| 23:26.19 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 23:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | why? |
| 23:26.37 | geargrind | is there a regex syntax to swap strings? like ... s/horse/dog/ that would do it both ways? |
| 23:26.37 | foxlit | "Cairenn: you're joking, right?" Only partly. |
| 23:26.54 | ronghail | actually I like lurking here so I will keep my comments to myself as I have done so far |
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| 23:27.30 | Lunessa | Kaelten: Yes. They're.. twitchy |
| 23:27.44 | Kaelten | "The account you are logged in with is not able to post on this forum." is what I get when I post |
| 23:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | If you've been lurking long enough, you'll know that there are the right people in here tha with the h8 put into a constructive context, you can get something fixed |
| 23:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | poofs for a bit |
| 23:28.21 | Etanol | say what? |
| 23:28.27 | Kaelten | ronghail: if you want to leave me some constructive feedback, you can message me |
| 23:28.34 | foxlit | I do have an opinion, and it's somewhere between yours and people complaining at you. I have no intention of complaining about it, in either case. |
| 23:29.04 | Etanol | does wowinterface have an svn? |
| 23:29.09 | geargrind | yes |
| 23:29.19 | Xinhuan | so Cairenn, from a user point of view, i am not supposed to see/detect any difference right? |
| 23:29.20 | geargrind | it's the "Projects" tab iirc |
| 23:29.28 | Etanol | awesome |
| 23:29.30 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: preferrably, yes |
| 23:29.57 | Cairenn | if you /are/ having a problem, please post it in this thread: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=22072 |
| 23:30.19 | Xinhuan | right |
| 23:35.14 | Etanol | ~wowmatrix |
| 23:35.21 | Etanol | :( |
| 23:37.11 | Etanol | purl. wowmatrix is crap |
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| 23:37.48 | Aiiane | ~wowmatrix |
| 23:37.49 | purl | well, wowmatrix is crap |
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| 23:43.31 | Lunessa | Kaelten: Now they won't let me post even logging out and back in. /facepalm |
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| 23:45.23 | p3lim | lua> local t = {'1', '2', '3'}; insert(t, '5') print(t[4]) |
| 23:45.23 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'insert' (a nil value) |
| 23:45.38 | p3lim | thanks lua_bot |
| 23:46.22 | foxlit | local function f() print(f); end f(); << taking bets :) |
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| 23:48.04 | Shirik | p3lim: table.insert ~= insert |
| 23:48.16 | p3lim | i know, that was what i tested |
| 23:48.32 | p3lim | since remove == table.remove |
| 23:48.42 | Etanol | hmmm |
| 23:48.50 | p3lim | i was unsure if insert == table.insert or not |
| 23:49.02 | Etanol | appearently, I have a german keyboard! :O ( http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22041 ) |
| 23:49.44 | p3lim | why do germans have a Y where my Z is? |
| 23:50.14 | Shirik | lua> remove == table.remove |
| 23:50.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 23:50.19 | PProvost | p3lin: Because they don't use it very much? |
| 23:50.21 | Shirik | lua> remove() |
| 23:50.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'remove' (a nil value) |
| 23:50.26 | Shirik | what are you talking about p3lim >.> |
| 23:51.02 | PProvost | http://carbon.cudenver.edu/~tphillip/GermanKeyboardLayout.html |
| 23:51.03 | p3lim | Shirik: works with wow |
| 23:51.21 | Etanol | wtf :S I misread it |
| 23:51.24 | Etanol | maybe time to sleep |
| 23:51.26 | p3lim | blizzard probably added it |
| 23:51.28 | Etanol | :/ |
| 23:51.29 | Shirik | well then lua_bot is not a good test for "insert" |
| 23:51.54 | Shirik | and it could very well be an addon doing that too |
| 23:51.59 | p3lim | ill try ingame then |
| 23:52.06 | ronghail | english scrabble values: Y=4 Z=10, german: Z=3 Y=10 |
| 23:52.09 | Shirik | I know I do local tinsert = table.insert; a lot, so |
| 23:52.23 | Shirik | it's very possible that someone leaving out a local |
| 23:52.24 | Etanol | !api insert |
| 23:52.24 | lua_bot | Found 8 possible results for 'insert': table.insert, MessageFrame:SetInsertMode, lua_insert, ScrollingMessageFrame:SetInsertMode, tinsert, ScrollingMessageFrame:GetInsertMode, MessageFrame:GetInsertMode, EditBox:Insert |
| 23:52.38 | p3lim | tinsert is global |
| 23:52.45 | Arrowmaster | only in wow |
| 23:52.51 | Lunessa | goes back to deleting mailboxes. |
| 23:52.54 | p3lim | yup |
| 23:53.07 | Etanol | deleting mailboxes? |
| 23:53.11 | Etanol | from? |
| 23:53.43 | Lunessa | Exchange. |
| 23:56.27 | Etanol | truncate database.mailboxes; |
| 23:56.27 | Etanol | wohoo |
| 23:56.31 | Lunessa | That would be .. more destructive than I need, and I'd have to have unrestricted access to the Server. |
| 23:56.41 | Etanol | ^^ |
| 23:56.50 | kd3 | oh wow, a blue-provided blue tracker |
| 23:56.53 | kd3 | only took 4 years |
| 23:56.56 | Etanol | where? |
| 23:56.58 | Etanol | what |
| 23:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: yea, it's nice |
| 23:56.59 | Etanol | link |
| 23:57.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@64.193.93.197) |
| 23:57.50 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/blizztracker.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 |
| 23:58.08 | kd3 | gasp, it's got an rss feed too! |
| 23:58.11 | kd3 | holy hell |
| 23:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 23:58.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It does |
| 23:58.37 | Etanol | no such thing for woweu forums :/ |
| 23:58.39 | Etanol | damn |
| 23:59.02 | Etanol | they should prioritize eu players more in all ways imo |
| 23:59.06 | Etanol | now that their hq is in eu |
| 23:59.32 | Etanol | they even said they would |
| 23:59.34 | Etanol | and now this? |
| 23:59.36 | haleys | Does anyonw know many xml requests can be made from the armory per minute before being banned? OR any xml request restrictions? |
| 23:59.40 | Etanol | I feel... betrayed |
| 23:59.41 | Legorol | Etanol: their HQ is NOT in EU |
| 23:59.44 | Legorol | where do you get that from? |
| 23:59.48 | ScytheBlade1 | *AN* HQ is in EU now. |
| 23:59.49 | Etanol | they are moving it |
