IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090412

00:00.10ScytheBlade1... gf or atari?
00:00.13Adysgf or atasmsfgFUCK YOU SCYTHE
00:00.15nevcairielwhats easier to get these days
00:00.18ScytheBlade1gg
00:00.23ScytheBlade1=]
00:00.24Tulleratari
00:00.27Adysnevcairiel: atari
00:00.30AdysFUCK YOU TOO TULLER
00:00.37*** join/#wowuidev Sargeras_ (n=Sargeras@75.80.16.10)
00:01.08LopeppeppyAtari is a moon!
00:01.11Lopeppeppyhides.
00:01.27Tullerlua is moon
00:01.35Tullerand back on track we go
00:01.46NightHawkTheSaneyour MOMs a moon
00:02.20zenzelezzhis Might of Menethil is a moon?
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00:04.12Tullermy mom is a spacestation
00:04.16Tulleris what you meant to say
00:06.21ScytheBlade1so, curious
00:06.27ScytheBlade1Who here has a steam account that they actually use?
00:06.59TullerI do?
00:07.00Funkeh`who doesn't!
00:07.01Dewin1I do on occasion
00:07.03EtanolI
00:07.15DewinStarted playing Audiosurf again.
00:07.19ScytheBlade1lol
00:07.21Funkeh`lol
00:07.25MoleculorI use mine.
00:07.26Tullersteam is singlehandedly the best thing to happen to PC games since I said so
00:07.26ScytheBlade1I'm debating making a #wowuidev group
00:07.27MoleculorPlaying Braid on it now.
00:07.29ScytheBlade1As I no longer play WoW
00:07.32StanzillaPortal from time to time :P
00:07.40Etanolfor braid, audiosurf, tmnations and cs
00:07.43Funkeh`mainly l4d/dow2
00:08.20ScytheBlade1l4d is amazing
00:08.44Funkeh`kinda boring when you've been playing it since beta, still waiting for the whole new content patches
00:08.52ScytheBlade1I just got it the other day
00:09.00Funkeh`ahh
00:09.02ScytheBlade1A friend bought the 4 pack
00:09.04Xinhuanl4d is nice, but it gets borign after 2 hours
00:09.06ScytheBlade1I setup a dedicated server for it
00:09.08Etanolpatch is coming on wednesday, right?
00:09.17ScytheBlade1We're going to go after it today with any luck
00:09.18Funkeh`what game
00:09.21ScytheBlade1Left 4 Dead
00:09.27ScytheBlade1err
00:09.27ScytheBlade1......
00:09.30ScytheBlade1lol @ me
00:09.30Xinhuanits not somehting you want to play past 3 hours at a stretch
00:09.33ScytheBlade1WoW patch
00:09.42ShirikEtanol: Are you UK or something?
00:09.42Funkeh`no idea
00:09.44Funkeh`maybe wed
00:09.55ScytheBlade1SHIRIK
00:09.58ScytheBlade1DO YOU HAVE STEAM?!
00:10.01ShirikYES I DO
00:10.02ShirikWHY
00:10.18ScytheBlade1IF I MADE A #WOWUIDEV GROUP I WOULDN'T GET IN ANY TROUBLE WOULD I?!
00:10.26Funkeh`Shirik, verify badboy on wowi already so I can delete the archive
00:10.28ShirikI DONT KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK CAIRENN
00:10.35ScytheBlade1I TRIED SHE IS ACTUALLY AFK
00:10.42ShirikOH OK WELL THEN TRY AGAIN LATER
00:10.45zenzelezzCAPS IS THE NEW BLACK
00:11.03Funkeh`Don't make me CAP yo ass
00:11.26EtanolShirik: Sweden
00:11.26Etanolwhy?
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00:12.00Funkeh`Etanol, because the US get it on tuesday
00:12.13ShirikYeah I was confused when you said wednesday for a second
00:12.46EtanolEU wow goes down for maintenance wednesday 03:00 to 11:00
00:12.52Funkeh`Shirik, you can approve files right or am I barking up the wrong tree
00:12.52Etanolusually
00:13.05ShirikFunkeh`: I'm going
00:13.12Funkeh`useless
00:13.17foxlitGah
00:13.26Shirikyou have broken our tool though somehow
00:13.34ShirikWell not broken
00:13.37Funkeh`aww
00:13.37foxlitRegistering for mouse wheel bindings breaks other bindings :/
00:13.39Shirikit's just spitting out a warning for some reason
00:13.44Funkeh`VIRUS
00:13.58ShirikNo it's complaining about unrar support not being available
00:14.01Shirikexcept you uploaded a zip
00:14.04Shirikso I'm not sure wtf is going on
00:14.12Funkeh`I just uploaded the curse auto file
00:14.26Shirikanyway, approved
00:14.27Funkeh`(like I usually do)
00:14.31Funkeh`thanks
00:14.46Etanolcan you make luabot do an infinite loop?
00:14.49Etanolor is it protected?
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00:14.59nevcairiellua> while true do end
00:15.05lua_botnevcairiel: Your code exceeded set CPU limits
00:15.09nevcairiel^
00:15.22Etanollua> while true do print("lol") end
00:15.28lua_botEtanol: lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, ... (result truncated)
00:15.40Etanoloh, timeout
00:15.48LopeppeppySorry, can't use lua_bot to flood that way, he's wicked smart.
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00:16.02MoleculorMind if I try? :D
00:16.06Etanolhaha
00:16.08ShirikPlease do it in private
00:16.10NightHawkTheSanewell, jnwhiteh is wicked smart. :P
00:16.13ShirikHey wtf
00:16.16Shirikwhat about me :(
00:16.20MoleculorAw. Was going to change the "lol" to "lol\n".
00:16.21Tulleryou smell
00:16.23NightHawkTheSanewhat about you? ;)
00:16.24Kaso|remember when the first luabots appeared and everyone spent a night poking holes in it
00:16.29ScytheBlade1rofl @ that do loop
00:16.35nevcairielAlot of people tried breaking lua_bot, i think there are no known bugs in it anymore
00:16.35ScytheBlade1hahaha, that is genius
00:16.36tekkubShirik: you're just smrt
00:16.42ShirikI helped break it!
00:16.44ScytheBlade1tekkub: win
00:17.25Etanoloh
00:17.28Etanolluabot removes \n
00:17.31Etanoldamn
00:17.37Shirikof course
00:17.42Shirikthat was one of the very first ways of breaking it
00:17.58Shirikremembers the days of print("nQUIT :Shirik wins again")
00:17.59ScytheBlade1Yeah, luabot has been tried and tested for a very long time
00:18.12ScytheBlade120:18 [Freenode] -!-  channels : #mudlet #RoMUIDev #WARUIDev #curseforge #norganna #lua #conspiracy #wowace #wowuidev #dongle
00:18.14Etanollua> x = 1 / 0
00:18.14lua_botEtanol: No output
00:18.15ScytheBlade1In a lot of channels, too
00:18.16Kaso|its \r\n isnt it?
00:18.19Etanol:O
00:18.21Kaso|or \n\r
00:18.23Etanolluabot can divide by zero
00:18.30ScytheBlade1luabot is awesome like that
00:18.35Etanollua> x = 1 / 0; print(x);
00:18.35lua_botEtanol: inf
00:18.35Kaso|Etanol, you didnt output x
00:18.36tekkubCRLF, \r\n
00:18.38ShirikKaso|: Freenode expects either
00:18.42Kaso|ah cool
00:18.43Shiriks/expects/accepts/
00:18.54Arrowmasterit does?
00:18.57Shirikyes
00:19.01Etanolmy school calculator can't divide by zero
00:19.03Arrowmasteri thought irc just used \n
00:19.11Kaso|the irc rfcs define crlf though dont they?
00:19.14nevcairiel\n\r isnt really valid anywhere, though
00:19.18EtanolI am not a lua_bot worshipper
00:19.22Etanolnow*
00:19.23Etanoldaamn
00:19.36Shirik!g rfc 1459
00:19.36batbotShirik: RFC 1459 (rfc1459) - Internet Relay Chat Protocol <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1459.html>
00:19.37Etanolwhat's the time in U.S?
00:19.40tekkub\r just needs to die
00:19.47ScytheBlade1agreed @ tekkub
00:20.01Kaso|<message> ::=    [':' <prefix> <SPACE> ] <command> <params> <crlf>
00:20.16ShirikIRC messages are always lines of characters terminated with a CR-LF (Carriage Return - Line Feed) pair, and these messages shall not exceed 512 characters in length, counting all characters including the trailing CR-LF. Thus, there are 510 characters maximum allowed for the command and its parameters.
00:20.41Etanol:o
00:21.10nevcairieli'm pretty sure any modern IRCD will accept a single \n too :P
00:21.52Kaso|allow 1 extra char of message!
00:22.08nevcairielexactly
00:22.41Shiriknot exactly
00:22.49nevcairielthere is also 2812, which updated 1459
00:23.02Shirikone would argue Freenode transmits to clients with \r\n and thus the server cannot put that extra char in
00:23.40nevcairieloh well, 2812 still denotes a crlf pair
00:23.47Shirikthey wouldn't change that
00:24.00Shirikthere's no reason to and it would break compat for strictly compliant clients
00:24.04EtanolWhich client are you lot using?
00:24.19foxlitSecureHandlers.lua:157 attempt to call method 'GetAttribute' (a nil value)
00:24.22foxlitWhat on earth?!
00:24.32nevcairiela stricly compliant client won't really be happy about the extensions in 2812
00:24.32mikmau fffail
00:24.39nevcairielfoxlit: how did you manage that?
00:24.49batrickYou can't have a strictly compliant client
00:25.01batrickI don't think a server exists which completely follows the RFC
00:25.09nevcairielI should write one!
00:25.14foxlitnevcairiel: I probably wouldn't be this surprised if I knew.
00:25.23foxlitjust inheriting from SecureHandlerMouseWheelTemplate
00:25.28nevcairielheh
00:25.32nevcairiellive or ptr?
00:25.35foxlitlive
00:25.43foxlitWhich does <OnMouseWheel> SecureHandler_OnMouseWheel(self, ...
00:26.00foxlitwhose first line is     local body = self:GetAttribute(snippetAttr); << and it throws the error.
00:26.27nevcairielI see the error
00:26.34nevcairielSecureHandler_OnMouseWheel("_onmousewheel", self, delta);
00:26.39nevcairielfunction SecureHandler_OnMouseWheel(self, snippetAttr, delta)
00:26.42Shirikbatrick: This is true for most RFCs
00:27.03nevcairielfoxlit: good for you that 3.1 is close ;)
00:27.05batrickOf course
00:27.20Shirikhowever I think it's reasonable to assume every server, or at least the overwhelming majority transmits a \r\n terminator
00:27.21foxlitAh, so I'm looking at some 3.1 framexml
00:27.23Etanolfoxlit: what are you writing?
00:27.32Arrowmaster"The IRC software, version 2.10 is the only complete implementation of the IRC protocol (client and server)."
00:27.33Etanolif I might ask
00:27.59Etanolediting opie?
00:28.08foxlitYes.
00:28.38foxlitnevcairiel: It's not a big issue either way, I can WrapScript to get it to work on live.
00:28.45nevcairielindeed
00:28.52nevcairielthe whole templates can be replaced by wrapscript
00:28.55nevcairielits kinda weirfd
00:28.57nevcairiel-f
00:29.41alestaneThe templates are more efficient if you're not modifying someone else's frames.
00:29.45foxlit^
00:29.53airtonixplease expand concept : wrapsript ?
00:29.58airtonixscript*
00:30.19foxlitsecure handlers include a mechanism to set a pre/post hook that runs in a restricted environment for some script handlers.
00:30.42alestaneThe concept existed in 2.x, but we made it a LOT more generic in 3.0
00:30.47airtonixie combat?
00:31.10nevcairielthe 2.x concept feels so pre-historic when i see what we have now
00:31.20foxlitIt existed in 2.x?
00:31.39nevcairielnot in that form
00:32.19ShirikYou know what I've always found interesting about freenode's server's implementation?
00:32.33Funkeh`it amazes me how some things can get past testing ffs
00:32.33ShirikThe capitalization of a channel is dependent upon the user sending the message
00:32.37alestaneWrapScript is directly descended from SetAttribute("addchild").
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00:32.38Funkeh`stupid bugs
00:33.03ShirikFor example, I use all lowercase #wowuidev so every PRIVMSG from me will show #wowuidev
00:33.05foxlitwell.... losely, alestane.
00:33.18ShirikThose who don't have it all lowercase will send to me with whatever capitalization they used
00:33.27foxlitThe implementation is extremely similar, you're right.
00:33.42ArrowmasterShirik: thats nothing to do with freenode, but with the servers not syncing the capitalization
00:33.49alestaneNo, that's what we were trying to reimplement.
00:34.12ShirikArrowmaster: It has to have at least something to do with freenode
00:34.17Shirikit has to check who's on the channel to transmit
00:34.30Arrowmasteryou can do that on other networks too
00:34.47Shirikso obviously once that's been determined, it uses the channel name of the person sending the message instead of its own name
00:35.00Etanollua command to convert string -> int?
00:35.08Arrowmastertonumber()
00:35.08Shirik!api tonumber
00:35.08lua_botDocumentation for 'tonumber' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-tonumber
00:35.13ShirikI suggest you grab the Lua manual
00:35.23batrickEtanol: string % 1
00:35.28Shirikbatrick
00:35.30batrick!lua "543.5234" % 1
00:35.31batbotbatrick: > 0.52340000000004
00:35.34batrickoops
00:35.47Xinhuanlol!
00:35.50Shiriklua> "12345" % math.huge
00:35.50lua_botShirik: nan
00:35.52Shirik:(
00:36.12Arrowmasterlua> math.pi % math.pi
00:36.12lua_botArrowmaster: 0
00:36.23Xinhuan!lua "543.5234" + 0
00:36.23batbotXinhuan: > 543.5234
00:36.32Shirikyou guys are bad
00:36.45nevcairielthats like, the beginners way of casting
00:36.53Xinhuanso, which is the fastest way? :)
00:37.01Arrowmastertonumber()
00:37.05nevcairieldo a nop that causes implicit cast, bad bad!
00:37.11batricktonumber doesn't convert it to an integer
00:37.23Arrowmasterlua doesnt have integers
00:37.28batrickso you will end up using math.floor or some hack no matter what
00:37.36Shiriklua> math.fmod("123.45")
00:37.36lua_botShirik: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'fmod' (number expected, got no value)
00:37.37batrickmight as well remove one operation
00:37.46Shiriklua> math.modf("123.45")
00:37.46lua_botShirik: 123, 0.45
00:37.48batrickArrowmaster: sure Lua does
00:37.48Etanolmath.knockout
00:37.50ShirikThat's the fastest way imo
00:37.55Shirikto integer
00:38.15ShirikThat tacks the "to number" and "to integer" in one call
00:38.27nevcairielLua has a number type, internally thats always a float
00:38.31Shirikdouble
00:38.47nevcairieli didn't exactly aim at the precision, more the type of floating point =P
00:38.49batrickdoubles can represent integers just fine
00:39.00ShirikThat reminds me
00:39.02Xinhuanonly within a certain range of numbers!
00:39.08ShirikI need to get back into doing my bit manipulation library for Lua
00:39.14batrickXinhuan: that's true for the integer data type as well :P
00:39.31nevcairieluse a string, thats only limited by your imagination, and your ram :P
00:39.41batrickShirik: written in Lua? there already is one!
00:39.42Etanolhttp://tinyurl.com/googleunitslol
00:39.46Shirikno batrick
00:39.50Shirikwritten in C, and good
00:39.56batrickthere's one for that too
00:39.57Shirikbitlib is horribly inefficient
00:40.04batrickMike Pall wrote one as well
00:40.07ShirikIt casts to integer before doing anything
00:40.08batrickhave you looked at his?
00:40.12Shirikno
00:40.19batrickyou should take a look
00:40.32Xinhuanif its "horribly inefficient" how did it get into lua?
00:40.33Etanol!api doWhatIWantAndNotWhatICode
00:40.33lua_botCould not find a match for 'doWhatIWantAndNotWhatICode'.
00:40.34ArrowmasterShirik: its limited to 32bit numbers right?
00:40.40ShirikXinhuan: It's not in Lua
00:40.43ShirikIt's a library
00:40.44nevcairielXinhuan: its not in Lua, its just in WoWLua
00:40.49Xinhuanah
00:41.23Shirikthough there has been a lot of argument over whether Lua should have built-in bit manipulation
00:41.26Etanollua> ai.enable; ai.fixMyCode();
00:41.26lua_botEtanol: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';'
00:41.44nevcairielAlso, they could've drastically improved the bitlib when they started using it in the default UI
00:41.46nevcairielwho knows
00:41.54Arrowmasterthey did
00:41.57Etanollua should have build-in AI. And a few easter eggs
00:42.12batrick~lart Etanol
00:42.12purlslaps Etanol upside the head with a wet fish
00:42.12ShirikThere are easter eggs
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00:42.27Arrowmasterslouken fixed the bitlib issue that restricted it to 32bit numbers
00:42.35batrickYou'll find plenty of Lua easter eggs if you try to sandbox it with the debug library
00:42.44Xinhuanthat's a bugfix, not an optimization!
00:42.46Shirik!lua function foo() local s, e = pcall(foo) if not s then print(e) end end pcall(foo)
00:42.46batbotShirik: ead shirik
00:42.50Shirikeaster eggs!
00:43.19Funkeh`so in 3.1 we can't return nil to ignore that line when using chat filters
00:43.25Funkeh`seems the same as returning true
00:43.32nevcairielreturn false
00:43.36nevcairiel:P
00:43.50Funkeh`tries
00:44.01Shirikdid you actually return nil? Or did you return nothing?
00:44.17Xinhuanit wouldn't make a difference in 99% of cases
00:44.20ShirikIt would
00:44.25ShirikIf the implementation cares
00:44.32ShirikWhich it would if it's an "optional return"
00:44.35Xinhuan99% it doesn't!
00:44.42Funkeh`in 3.x I returned nil
00:44.44nevcairielactually, it seems that returning true ignores the line
00:44.45Funkeh`in 3.1 I cant
00:45.06ShirikThat reminds me
00:45.14ShirikI think I'm going to give Iriel a patch to devtools
00:45.23Funkeh`I definitely tested return true and it filters out the line corectly
00:45.53nevcairielwhats your problem then? :)
00:45.54nevcairielhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/112123
00:45.57nevcairielthats teh code
00:45.59IrielShirik: Go for it!
00:46.09nevcairielif filter is true, it'll just return
00:46.21Shirikarg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7, arg8, arg9, arg10, arg11 = newarg1, newarg2, newarg3, newarg4, newarg5, newarg6, newarg7, newarg8, newarg9, newarg10, newarg11;
00:46.25Shirikcries
00:46.41batrickwhat is that
00:46.44Lopeppeppyoffers a hankie
00:46.57Xinhuana bunch of longwinded code
00:47.16nevcairielI don't see an obvious better way to allow changing the arguments
00:47.19Funkeh`nevcairiel, I'm just telling you what I tested 5min ago
00:47.26Funkeh`I return true, the line doesn't show
00:47.42nevcairielyeah they changed the behaviour, i guess
00:47.55Funkeh`well it always did that, so thank god
00:48.05Funkeh`I mean pre ptr
00:48.17Etanolwhy dontt you use a table for the args and loop?
00:48.25nevcairieltabels are expensive
00:48.27Shirikthere are arguments for and against it
00:48.48nevcairielthis way looks crappy
00:48.49Shirikthis is the fastest, but least future-proof implementation
00:48.51nevcairielbut its fast
00:49.01Adysbut not future-proof
00:49.05Etanolhaha
00:49.13Xinhuanblizz doesn't have to make it future proof
00:49.14Xinhuan:)
00:49.19Etanolwhat's the difference in ms for a 3hour wow session?
00:49.21Etanol15?
00:49.30ArrowmasterFunkeh`: so false and nil used to be the same thing but now arent?
00:49.30ShirikXinhuan: I grow nervous around people who make those kinds of statements
00:49.42nevcairielIf they add chat events with more then 11 arguments, they can extend it there too
00:49.43Xinhuanif they modify their code to add 1 arg, they probably only have to change 2 functions
00:49.48Funkeh`Arrowmaster, thats what it seems, well, I'm still testing false gimme a sec
00:49.51Xinhuanin their framexml
00:50.00Xinhuanso how can it not be "future proof"? :)
00:50.03ShirikXinhuan: It's always "oh it's just one change here" "just one more changeh ere" "one change here too"
00:50.08nevcairielArrowmaster: from reading the code in 3.0, false/nil where the same, and they always said "dont ignore this"
00:50.13ShirikNot to mention the fact that you actually have to remember all these places
00:50.23Shirikforgot one? Have fun debugging
00:50.26nevcairielShirik: thats where we come in!
00:50.44nevcairielI wonder if any chat event actually still uses 11 args
00:50.51Arrowmasterthey do
00:51.23Etanolhow much more expensive are tables in that function?
00:51.31Arrowmasterprobably a lot
00:51.38Etanoland how much is that?
00:51.43Xinhuana lot more expensive than you'll think, especially if its 1 new table per event
00:51.46Arrowmastertoo much
00:51.59Etanolyou remove the table after the function ends
00:52.06Arrowmasterdoesnt matter
00:52.10IrielEtanol: You dont quite understand how lua works there
00:52.13Etanolwhy doesn't it matter?
00:52.16Xinhuanyeah that causes memory fragmentation in the heap
00:52.23Arrowmasterbecause the problem is with creating the table
00:52.29Funkeh`god
00:52.36Funkeh`so much compat
00:52.36Etanolis it the same with arrays in other languages?
00:52.39Funkeh`it's horrible
00:52.45Arrowmasterno
00:53.03Etanolthen why didn't they implement arrays too? ^^
00:53.17Arrowmasternever assume anything about a language based on information about a different language
00:53.20Xinhuannot quite, because GC is automatic
00:53.22nevcairielhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/112124 thats the old filter code, it looks like returning nil/false or true should still behave the same
00:53.35nevcairielthe only change is that you can modify _all_ args now
00:53.39Xinhuanand not immediate
00:53.44IrielWe specifically asked them to make it work the same (the initial 3.1 PTR didn't work that way)
00:54.08nevcairielindeed, i remember reading that on the forums
00:54.28ShirikFunkeh`: come now, it's not as bad as, say, Windows' compatibility choices
00:55.11ShirikOnly Microsoft could come up with an EnumCalendarInfoExEx function http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd317805(VS.85).aspx
00:55.39Funkeh`nevcairiel, no joy
00:55.43Funkeh`returning false also filters
00:55.53Funkeh`seems just using the return function itself filters
00:55.54nevcairielyou're broken then
00:56.02nevcairielthe code doesnt do that
00:56.14Funkeh`that's what the latest ptr does
00:56.24Arrowmasterdo you have any other addons?
00:56.34nevcairielYou don't return any stuff after the false, do you? :)
00:56.36Funkeh`yeah, ill unload them and test
00:56.36foxlitlocal index = (id2 + (subsecring.rotSlice or 0) - 1) % subsecring.count + 1;
00:56.52foxlitI *already* can't tell whether that's correct. And I wrote that ~60 seconds ago :(
00:56.56Funkeh`nevcairiel, nah
00:56.58Shiriklol
00:57.35Xinhuanso add comments!
00:57.35Funkeh`lulz
00:57.40Funkeh`unloaded my chat mod and it works
00:57.46Arrowmastersee
00:57.52ScytheBlade1what @ left4dead achieve, "Zombie Genocidest"
00:57.53ScytheBlade1"Kill 53,595 Infected."
00:57.53foxlitXinhuan: not sure whether that'd help
00:57.54Funkeh`lemme try ni again
00:58.01Funkeh`nil*'
00:58.04Xinhuanwhat chat mod is that?
00:58.07Funkeh`ScytheBlade1, done it
00:58.11LopeppeppySee ya!
00:58.12Funkeh`mine, basichcatmods
00:58.12ScytheBlade1Funkeh`: you scare me
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00:58.15Arrowmasterprobably his own
00:58.24ArrowmasterScytheBlade1: its easy on pc version
00:58.31Etanolwhy does wowwiki crash when fed a string containing "memory" in GET
00:58.40ScytheBlade1I've only played the first 3 levels so far
00:58.43Etanoland also, why does it change icon when doing so
00:58.43DWSRShirik: ExEx?
00:58.47Shirikyes!
00:58.50ShirikIt's awesome, no?
00:59.00foxlitYou can either go "i = 1; // set i = 1" style and explain what the thing calculates (which doesn't help, since you can just read that); or you can explain the context, which doesn't help since that's relatively clear.
00:59.03DWSRShirik: Only slightly less awesome than the ExExEx version. ;)
00:59.04ScytheBlade1... doesn't crash here
00:59.08ScytheBlade1wowwiki.com/?asdf=memory
00:59.08Funkeh`ok
00:59.13Funkeh`returning nill works also Arrowmaster
00:59.14Shirikwell in the near future we should get it :)
00:59.14IrielCoincidence, i'm about to start blood harvest for thevery first time
00:59.20Funkeh`I'm betting it's your url filter code I forgot about
00:59.37Arrowmasterprobably
00:59.37Etanolcrashes for me
00:59.40EtanolI get nothing
00:59.46nevcairielthat reminds me, i need to fix my URL pattern
00:59.48Funkeh`so back to the point
00:59.48Etanolhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Search?search=memory&go=1
00:59.50nevcairieli get wrong highlights sometimes
00:59.51Funkeh`return true to filter
00:59.55Funkeh`return nil/false not to
00:59.59Funkeh`same as 3.x
01:00.09Funkeh`confusion over
01:00.10nevcairielEtanol: works fine
01:00.10DWSRControl yourself, take only what you NEED from it.
01:00.31MentalPowerEtanol: works fine here (FF 3.5 on MacOSX)
01:00.32DWSR<insert catchy synth hook that gets overplayed here>
01:00.33ShirikEtanol: Works for me
01:00.35Arrowmasternevcairiel: using whos patterns?
01:00.37Etanolwhy does the momory side of wowwiki ignore me exclusively? :/
01:00.40nevcairielI dunno
01:00.46ScytheBlade1DWSR: *enjoy yourself
01:00.50foxlitHas nothing to do with memory.
01:00.57nevcairielArrowmaster: whos are good? =p
01:01.04foxlitWhat you're seeing is some front-end cache messing up
01:01.07DWSRScytheBlade1: Control, afaik. Enjoy yourself doesn't really make sense for the rest of the sentence.\
01:01.17Arrowmastermine were the best imho but i stoped updating it so i dont know anymore
01:01.29nevcairielpattern like that don't break over time
01:01.33ScytheBlade1Bah, don't have that one on the laptop.
01:01.34DWSREven though that's kind of a weak argument for that song, since the lyrics aren't really all that sensical to begin with.
01:01.37EtanolI get a TOTALLY blank page with no source code
01:01.40ScytheBlade1In any case, yeah, exactly
01:01.43ScytheBlade1Really weak argument
01:01.46Arrowmasterwell i found ways to make it better but didnt update it
01:01.47ScytheBlade1And I'm about 90% sure it is enjoy
01:02.06ScytheBlade1Hmm
01:02.12Etanolget blank page in ie, ff AND chrome
01:02.13ScytheBlade1One site says control, wtf
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01:02.23nevcairielArrowmaster: if you found ways, you had to code it somehow :P
01:02.26MentalPowerEtanol: what OS?
01:02.42Etanolvista 32
01:02.44DWSRScytheBlade1: 3 sites I checked say control. Perhaps you are wrong?
01:02.45Arrowmasternevcairiel: i didnt complete the code and make it public though
01:02.51AdysEtanol: link your crash
01:02.52MentalPowerEtanol: I would check your firewall actually
01:02.57AdysEtanol: and what browser/...
01:03.01nevcairielI just want the pattern :P
01:03.04Etanolsame in ALL browsers
01:03.05Etanolhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Search?search=memory&go=1
01:03.06ScytheBlade1seriously debates rebooting to find out
01:03.07foxlitWIKIA FRONT-SIDE CACHE.
01:03.09Etanolhttp://www.wowwiki.com/memory
01:03.13ShirikEtanol: Define "crash"
01:03.15Shirikwhat happens?
01:03.24DWSRScytheBlade1: Why?
01:03.31Etanolblank page, changed page icon, no source code
01:03.31Arrowmasternevcairiel: it wasnt a single pattern, it was a bunch of patterns
01:03.32DWSRScytheBlade1: Why do you need to reboot when there's Youboob?
01:03.35ScytheBlade1Because I could have sworn it was enjoy
01:03.37foxlitStop wondering. Your DNS won the lottery and decided to cache a bad front-end server.
01:03.38ScytheBlade1......... ew
01:03.40ShirikI wouldn't call that a crash
01:03.44nevcairielArrowmaster: of course, mine are like 6 now
01:03.49ScytheBlade1Because I have it in flac and youtube is nothing short of terrible
01:03.54MentalPowerEtanol: My university's firewall was notorious for blocking any website who's GET included ".exe"
01:03.58Etanolwell I didn't call it crash
01:03.59foxlitThat broken front-end is not serving anything.
01:04.01AdysEtanol: does it happen on any other wikia wiki?
01:04.04DWSRScytheBlade1: I have it in 24/96.
01:04.06DWSRBitch plz.
01:04.07foxlitJust ping wowwiki.com
01:04.10ScytheBlade1rofl
01:04.14Shirik(20:58:58) (Etanol) crashes for me
01:04.14ScytheBlade1I've got a few things in 24/96
01:04.16Etanolno, I can get ALL other wowwiki pages
01:04.19ScytheBlade1That is not one of them, sadly
01:04.37ShirikI go back to the "firewall" question
01:04.39AdysEtanol: http://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/?Asdfs=memory
01:04.42Adysdoes this work for you?
01:04.51ShirikI would guess a bad firewall rule
01:05.12MentalPowerEtanol: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Memory
01:05.19EtanolAdys: nope
01:05.20MentalPowerAdys beat me to it
01:05.33EtanolMentalPower: Your link works fine
01:05.44MentalPowerswitch memory to lowercase
01:05.45Etanolhaha wtf
01:05.59MentalPowerhttp://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/memory
01:06.03AdysEtanol: join #wowwiki
01:07.29EtanolRouter is set to never block sites
01:07.50Etanolno firewall enabled
01:08.09Xinhuantrojan!
01:08.23MentalPowerEtanol: does my lowercase link work?
01:08.29Etanolrunning nod32, so I am immune to viruses :P
01:08.40MentalPowerimmune does not exist
01:08.42Shirik"immune to viruses"
01:08.42EtanolMentalPower: yes, works fine
01:09.00LegorolEtanol: what MentalPower meant is, change Memory to memory, does it still work?
01:09.32Etanolno difference
01:09.42MentalPowerhttp://www.google.com.pr/search?q=memory
01:10.10Etanolworks
01:10.12Etanollol
01:10.26EtanolIt has only happened to 2 wikia wikis so far
01:10.44Legorolhttp://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/?Asdfs=momory
01:10.46Legoroldoes that work?
01:10.53MentalPowerLegorol beat me to that one too
01:11.29Etanollegorol: blank
01:11.33MentalPowerLegorol: youtyped it wrong...
01:11.41LegorolMentalPower: i typed it right :)
01:11.48Legoroli deliberately changed memory to momory
01:11.52MentalPowerah
01:11.55MentalPowerfair nuf
01:12.10LegorolEtanol: http://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/
01:12.11MentalPowerEtanol: so momory is blank?
01:12.18Legorolseems like it
01:12.25ShirikI would like to see a wireshark dump from him
01:12.52Etanolcan't use the search function on wowwiki and residentevil and can't access 404 pages on the two
01:13.15LegorolEtanol: obvious question, but have you tried clearing your browser's cache?
01:13.22MentalPowerShirik: seems that one of wikia's euro CDNs is having issues
01:13.29MentalPoweraccording to convo on #wowwiki
01:14.00Legorolthat certainly doesn't help :o)
01:14.05Etanolsince I tested on 3 different browesers, that's probably not the problem
01:14.08Etanolseems some server is down
01:14.10Etanolor something
01:14.13Etanolweeeeird
01:14.33Etanolwhat's CDN btw?
01:14.46tekkubmmmm shortbread cookies
01:14.49MentalPowerContent Distribution Network IIRC
01:15.03DWSR^
01:15.03Etanoland how come some pages work then? :P
01:15.04Shirikit has nothing to do with IRC
01:15.09Shirikjust Content Delivery Network
01:15.16MentalPower~lart Shi
01:15.16purldeclares Shi a moron
01:15.21MentalPower~lart Shirik
01:15.21purldrops a truckload of VAXen on Shirik
01:15.23Shirik:P
01:15.30MentalPower~fail me
01:15.31purlYou suck at everything in life, mentalpower. I hate you because you fail.
01:15.40MentalPower~botsnack
01:15.40purlMentalPower: aw, gee
01:15.42Legorolobliges:
01:15.45Legorol~fail MentalPower
01:15.46purlMentalPower, you Fail!
01:17.13MentalPowerEtanol: #wowwiki
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01:21.40Funkeh`Arrowmaster, your code gives me a headache sometimes
01:22.12Arrowmasterits striped down prat code
01:22.34foxlitDoes that make it better or worse?
01:23.04Arrowmasterit shifts the blame
01:24.54DWSR:)
01:25.02DWSRBLAME GAME! :)
01:25.05DWSRblames Arrowmaster
01:27.18Etanol!blame dwsr
01:27.27Etanoldoesnt work
01:30.22Funkeh`fucks sake
01:30.25Funkeh`prats is worse
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01:32.48Etanolhow do I make an onload script for irc?
01:32.49ArrowmasterFunkeh`: duh
01:33.39Kaso|Etanol, depends on your client, check on their website
01:33.57Funkeh`Arrowmaster, I might need your help with this
01:34.04Funkeh`I can't figure out why it just eats up every line
01:34.11Funkeh`doesn't let nay chat through whatsoever
01:34.57Arrowmasterprobably because its using the first arg passed into the function which is now self
01:35.22Funkeh`I changed it to the third arg
01:35.26Funkeh`safe effect
01:35.29Funkeh`same*
01:36.07Arrowmasterand it needs to return all the args
01:36.28Funkeh`well the funny thing is I completely commented out the return and it still eats it
01:36.54Arrowmasterodd
01:37.05nevcairielpastey :p
01:37.16Funkeh`close your eyes
01:38.58Funkeh`nevcairiel, http://pastebin.com/d6da20626
01:39.04Funkeh`see: filerfunc
01:39.24nevcairielsomehow that looks alot like prats
01:39.26nevcairieler
01:39.27nevcairielchatters
01:39.31Arrowmasterit is
01:39.43Adystlds?
01:39.55Adysso a link in .it wont pass?
01:40.02Arrowmasternot his
01:40.05nevcairielAlso, by returning everything it means return all args, not self or event :p
01:40.06Arrowmasterit does in chatter
01:40.18Adysanyway got work afk
01:40.24Funkeh`so return false, msg, ... ?
01:40.34nevcairielyea
01:40.40Funkeh`alright
01:40.47Funkeh`but still, it's commented out and being eaten
01:40.53nevcairielI still do urlcopy replacement in an addmsg hook
01:41.15Funkeh`it was so much more simple with it
01:41.33Funkeh`then the module doubled to remove the hook
01:42.53Funkeh`nevcairiel, actually it works now if I remove the comment with what you suggested
01:45.10Funkeh`yep, chat alive again all is good, thanks nevcairiel
01:47.13nevcairielman its getting early already, i should go to sleep
01:47.17ArrowmasterFunkeh`: btw instead of having two patterns starting with ^ and %f[%S], i think you can just use %f[^%z%s]
01:47.27Funkeh`same
01:47.36Arrowmasterthat was one of the things i was working on that i never made public
01:48.24nevcairielwhy would you even match ^%z ? like any string contains an actual \0
01:49.06Arrowmasterfigure out why i needed two patterns to do the same match, one starting with ^ and the other starting with %f[%S] and you will figure it out
01:50.00Funkeh`it's too late at night for any form of figuring out man
01:50.19Arrowmaster%f[%S] doesnt work at the start of a string
01:50.35Arrowmasterbut %f[^%z%s] does i think
01:50.45Xinhuanquestion is why?
01:51.04Arrowmasterthe frontier pattern seems to consider the start and end of a string as \0
01:51.20nevcairielfrontier patterns are weird
01:51.41nevcairielI can see how the end of a string is \0
01:51.44nevcairielcoming from C and all
01:51.49Xinhuanso why didn't u just use say [%Z%S] instead of [^%z%s]
01:52.00Arrowmasterbecause those are different
01:52.09Xinhuanthey are?
01:52.22Arrowmasteryes
01:52.26JamashLOREMASTER WOOT
01:52.58Jamashor are they?
01:53.04nevcairielthey are
01:53.11Arrowmasterlua> string.match("hello world", "[%Z%S]")
01:53.11lua_botArrowmaster: h
01:53.22Arrowmasterlua> string.match("hello world", "[^%z%s]")
01:53.23Jamashoh I get it
01:53.23lua_botArrowmaster: h
01:53.36Arrowmastererr
01:53.38nevcairiel^%z%s means not in either, %Z%S means "in either", there is a slight difference
01:53.44nevcairieler
01:53.56nevcairiels/"in either"/"in one"/
01:54.02nevcairieloh well
01:54.07nevcairiel%Z is virtually every char
01:54.11nevcairielexcept \0
01:54.16nevcairielso you match anything
01:54.19Jamashright
01:54.21Arrowmasterlua> string.match(" ", "[%Z%S]"), string.match(" ", "[^%z%s]")
01:54.22lua_botArrowmaster:  , nil
01:55.27Arrowmasteranother way to put it would be one is a union and the other is an intercept
01:55.53Jamashone is (not A) or (not B) and the other is not (A or B) which is (not A) and (not B)
01:55.54nevcairielthe problem is that %Z contains %s and %S
01:55.59Arrowmaster[%Z%S] actually matches everything
01:56.02nevcairielso the whole point of it is blown away
01:56.11Xinhuanwell yeah ok i get it
01:56.27nevcairiel%Z is a glorified .
01:56.27nevcairiel:D
01:56.46Arrowmaster. matches %z though
01:57.28nevcairiellua> string.find("aa\0bb", "...")
01:57.29lua_botnevcairiel: 1, 3
01:57.32nevcairieli guess
01:57.56nevcairielbut its safe to assume that chat doesnt contain a 0
01:58.07Arrowmasterright
01:58.26Arrowmasteralthough i had considered using it as part of the token delim code
01:59.05batrickArrowmaster: How do you conclude [^...] is an intercept?
01:59.18nevcairielanyway, 4 AM, sleep time
02:00.36Xinhuanuse the %S inverted form? ;p
02:02.52Xinhuan[^%S%Z] that is
02:03.57nevcairielyou can express the difference in simple boolean algebra, !(a or b) vs (!a or !b)
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02:06.02batricknevcairiel: I think you meant: !(a or b) vs (!a and !b)
02:06.23nevcairielno, then they would be the same
02:06.28nevcairielwhich they are not
02:06.43batrickO I thought you were trying to distribute for some reason
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02:07.47nevcairielthe set class is always a union, which means "or"
02:07.58nevcairielyou can negate the whole class, or individual members
02:08.14kd3ugh
02:08.16kd3work... hatred
02:08.47nevcairielbah another 10 minutes spent awake
02:08.49nevcairielleaves
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02:41.45ShirikSuccess? o.O
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02:42.47Shiriklua> return "\26"
02:42.48lua_botShirik:
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02:45.56kd3wahahaha... fark: A smack-down to cheer every English major who had to read that silly little book: The Elements of Style is "by a pair of authors so grammatically clueless that they don't know what is a passive construction and what isn't" [Obvious]
02:50.06tekkub...
02:51.25ShirikI don't get it
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02:56.56Jamashmake the hurting stop
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03:00.45Zyndromehurting puts hair on your chest
03:04.50kd3pain, suffering, chaos
03:04.52kd3my job is done
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03:09.41Shirikcan druids use daggers?
03:09.58Gnarfozdon't think so.
03:10.28Gnarfozoh, well
03:10.31Gnarfozseems I'm wrong
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03:12.13kmcguireHey, who is starspectre in tw?
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03:23.13Shirikkmcguire: alestane
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03:24.10shaydeesalutations
03:28.54DWSRtopic fail.
03:28.57DWSRIt's spelled cheque.
03:30.26ShirikOnly in the bad parts of the world
03:30.49DWSRs/bad/literate/
03:31.01Shiriknah nah
03:31.05Shirikonly the UK
03:31.08Shirikaka bad
03:31.19DWSRCanada.
03:31.23DWSRkthx.
03:31.35ShirikCanada is only slightly better than the UK
03:31.39Shirikbecause it has Cairenn|afk
03:31.42Shirikthat's all
03:32.20DWSRShirik: *shrug*, at least my country doesn't try to fuck around with other countries.
03:32.29Shiriktoo weak
03:32.43DWSR*yawn*, not why, but fair.
03:33.13Adyshttp://github.com/github/wine/graphs/languages
03:33.17AdysWTF is coded in ruby in wine?
03:33.30DWSRAlthough, one could argue that the US military is too big.
03:33.53DWSRAdys: Nothing, apparently.
03:34.05AdysDWSR: theres more ruby than shell
03:34.19Adysand there is a LOT of shell
03:34.20Adysin wine
03:34.33Adysactually some of it might be perl
03:34.34ShirikWhy is there javascript in wine?
03:34.34DWSRAdys: That graph says to me that there is *nothing* to do with either of those languages.
03:34.45DWSRThat is a better question Shirik.
03:34.54AdysShirik: test suites for the mshtml engine
03:34.58Shirikah
03:35.19DWSRbtw, 3.1 next week?
03:35.21AdysDWSR: its just that github rounds to lower
03:35.27DWSRI heard some guildies talking about it.
03:35.28Adysits something like 0.2% prolly
03:35.50tekkubnever listen to guildies
03:36.02tekkubbut yea, there's a good chance of it I thin
03:36.06tekkub*think
03:36.09DWSR*sigh*
03:36.11DWSRUI breakage.
03:36.18DWSRClass breakage.
03:36.20tekkub*sigh* get better addons
03:36.26DWSRtekkub: Outfitter is a good addon
03:36.27Shirikhere's a fun question
03:36.28tekkuband stop playing a rogue
03:36.30tekkub*hide*
03:36.36DWSRtekkub: Warlock, kthxbai.
03:36.41tekkuband Outfitter isn't going to break :P
03:37.03ShirikLet's say someone makes a call to HeapAlloc()
03:37.08Shirikin a program
03:37.09DWSRtekkub: I suppose not. It can still do what it does.
03:37.13Shirik(Windows-specific malloc basically)
03:37.14tekkubShirik: I'm not saying that
03:37.32DWSRtekkub: Is the author continuing development (i.e. have they sorted out their issues with the UI policy)?
03:37.38ShirikIf I were to put a DLL in the directory of that program which exports a HeapAlloc()
03:37.46Shirikwould it get called instead?
03:37.48tekkubDWSR: fuck if I know, I don't use it
03:38.05DWSRtekkub: Well, have we got any response from Bliz about the UI policy.
03:38.13DWSRand the community's opinion, that is.
03:38.21DWSRShirik: I don't know, don't you have to overload the func?
03:38.37Shirikwell I don't have access to the application
03:38.39Shirikthat's the problem
03:38.47ShirikI guess I should look at how valgrind does it, but there's just SO MUCH CODE
03:41.08Shirikrofl
03:41.10Shirikstatic Bool complain_about_silly_args2(SizeT n, SizeT sizeB)
03:41.13Shirikvalgrind has some fun code
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03:49.17Shiriko_____o
03:49.27ShirikVisual Studio's default DLL project creates a sample function that returns 42
03:49.37DWSRNice. :)
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03:53.04Xinhuanit should create a rand() function that returns a randomly generated number like "return 4"
03:54.55Xinhuanguaranteed to be random!
03:57.22Shirikhttp://xkcd.com/221/
03:57.36Shiriktackles Cairenn
03:57.39DWSRYay, finally got muted in a channel for swearing.
03:57.43DWSRFreenode blows.
03:57.43Cairennhugs Shirik
04:01.54kmcguireShirik, who is starspectre in tw?
04:02.12Shirik(23:22:34) (@Shirik) kmcguire: alestane
04:02.22kmcguireOh, sorry. I missed it.
04:02.36kmcguireOk, I just invaded his planet and stole all his colonists.
04:03.13DagmarYou don't "steal" colonists.
04:03.20DagmarYou make them a better career offer.
04:03.32kmcguireAnd, I am planning on getting you and esamynn next.
04:03.42kmcguireDagmar, lol.
04:04.28kmcguireI think I blew up Zoot's planets.. can not remember. Or some of his.
04:04.36batrickDWSR: are you seriously blaming a server for getting muted in a channel?
04:04.52DWSRbatrick: No, I'm blaming immature ops.
04:05.01DWSRAnd making the connection that Freenode's full of them.
04:05.05batrickLeave the channel if you don't like it?
04:05.19DWSRbatrick: Windows support channel. I'm slip'ing an install media and having problems.
04:05.42kmcguireThat qausar cannon tried to kill me though.
04:07.22kmcguireWell, actually, Shirik. I will get arrowmaster since his ship is just floating around at 1784, and some of his base is at 1349.
04:07.48Shirikyes, good luck with that kmcguire
04:07.56ShirikTry whatever you want, but I don't think you'll get very far
04:08.07Shiriknot against us, that is
04:08.20kmcguireYeah, I should go for arrow since he is smaller.
04:08.36kmcguireHow many fighters you got protecting your base shirik?
04:08.44kmcguireAnd, cannons?
04:08.50ShirikWhy should I tell you that :)
04:08.53kmcguire=p
04:09.05kmcguireI got to find it first, lol.
04:09.07ShirikOkay, so I need a way to include <windows.h> without including any of the functions
04:09.14DWSRShirik: Why?
04:09.21Shirikbecause I don't want to redefine HANDLE, LPVOID, etc.
04:09.23DWSRThat seems in and of itself to be slightly retarded.
04:09.40kmcguireShirik, unless you do a #define that keeps windows.h from including the others?
04:09.53kmcguirehas no idea what he is talking about really.
04:10.01DWSRHuh, can you not alias your calls to whatever function you're writing?
04:10.18DWSRJust say that func() -> some.dll\someotherfunc()?
04:10.40ShirikI'm not sure what you mean
04:10.54DWSRDon't mind me.
04:10.58DWSRI'm talking out of my asshole.
04:12.54batrickmaybe that's why you got muted?
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04:16.41Shirikbatrick: halp
04:16.51ShirikHow can I stick myself in between the kernel and an application >.>
04:17.01Wobinhands Shirik a crowbar
04:17.12Wobinhands Shirik a tub of lard.
04:17.32Wobinhands Shirik some seasoning
04:17.55kmcguireThere do exists a few ways.
04:19.00batrickShirik: it's  fairly simple to hook libraries (particularly libc) so long as your root
04:19.09batrickI wouldn't know how hard it is to hook system calls
04:19.14Shirikok, I need it for windows
04:19.15Shiriksorry
04:19.41batrickYou could do what gdb does and use the debugging facilities of x86
04:19.57batrickLet's you do stuff like watch memory addresses
04:20.01kmcguireAre you doing this to a already running process or one you want to load?
04:20.54ShirikI thought about using the Windows debugging API
04:21.00Shirikpassing myself off as a debugger
04:22.21kmcguireIf you could access the address space of the process. There will exist some tables uses by dll's. I do not know the details of windows, but I imagine they are simply jump tables and help with allowing the DLL to be loaded into each process at different addresses and still access it's data. From there you could poisen the tables by injecting some assembly jumps and what not.
04:22.45Shirikthat was one of the recommended ways
04:23.04kmcguireOr, you could write some dynamic loader and manually load the executable into the memory of the host process (your program).
04:23.10kmcguireI dunno which is harder.
04:23.27kmcguireBut, you would have to do all the object code relocations and blah.. might take weeks.
04:24.02kmcguireJust inject a dll (your program) into their address space I guess and try to trap calls to dlls.
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04:24.38kmcguireBut, ask some more. Because I have never done that.
04:26.40kmcguirehaha, arrowmaster is checking on his stuff. =p
04:27.03kmcguireHe just went to his base, haha.
04:27.35Arrowmasterdo you have me mined?
04:28.04kmcguireI was watching you.
04:28.11kmcguireFrom the shadows of sector 71.
04:28.29Arrowmasterjust fucked up a burst command and went warping somewhere when i didnt mean to
04:28.52kmcguireHere I come with my 90k fighter squadron..
04:29.26kmcguireis laughing so hard he is crying.
04:30.36Shirik90k fighter?
04:30.40Shirikhow did you manage that?
04:30.55kmcguireI didn't. Just messing with him. =p
04:31.00kmcguirehehe
04:31.35kmcguireI like to pick and play.
04:33.48kmcguireI should not tell lies like that because it makes me look bad. But, I was just playing. It only works once.
04:41.56kmcguireShirik, I dont know if the jump table idea would work. When I follow it into msvcrt.dll and then into ntdll.dll. It seems to jump straight into the functions of each dll. So I am not really sure.
04:42.24kmcguireI though there was some sort of setup before jumping into the dll so that the dll code could reference it's global variables.
04:50.11Shirikoh wow
04:50.20Shirikdespite the fact that this is a very bad site
04:50.37Shirikvery nice paper on how to redirect dlls :)
04:50.59ScytheBlade1which site?
04:53.19kmcguireneato
04:54.21Shirikum
04:54.21Fisker-do you like fishsticks?
04:54.26ShirikI'm not going to talk about the site here :)
04:54.32ScytheBlade1Link me in a PM :P
04:55.21Jamashare you reading about exploit shellcode?
04:56.16JamashI've read some fascinating stuff about how they defeated the NX bit
04:56.33tekkubuh, my leveling partner is an idiot
04:56.44tekkubhe asks me if I wanna level, I say sure gimme a minute
04:56.49Shirikno Jamash
04:56.58ShirikI'm reading on how to redirect calls to the system
04:57.00tekkubhop on my prist, post auctions, hop over to my huntard to level
04:57.00Shiriksuch as HeapAlloc
04:57.13tekkubhe makes fun of my indecition to pick a toon
04:57.21tekkuband then never logs over
04:57.26tekkubthis was half an hour ago
04:58.50Shirikholy crap
04:58.56Shirikthis paper talks about using naked calls and inline assembly
04:59.02Shirikand messing with the stack
04:59.15Shirikrofl, handle = LoadLibraryA("user33.dll");
04:59.17Shirikuser33
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05:00.45Jamashit's one better
05:00.52ScytheBlade1So
05:00.58ScytheBlade1After talking to the queen bee
05:01.04ScytheBlade1https://steamcommunity.com/groups/wowuidev <--- go go go go go
05:01.44Fisker-rages
05:02.04Fisker-do you know why i pulled you over ScytheBlade1 ?
05:02.15ScytheBlade1nope
05:02.17Shirikjoined yey
05:02.23tem|afkLittering
05:02.38tem|afkand smoking the reefer
05:02.40Fisker-oh yeah?
05:03.06tem|afkRight meow
05:03.24ScytheBlade1You people who are joining need avatars
05:03.45ScytheBlade1http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/fe/fef49e7fa7e1997310d705b2a6158ff8dc1cdfeb.jpg is pretty boring!
05:03.47Fisker-problem officer?
05:03.48Arrowmasteri dont have any avatars that wont get me banned from multiple sites
05:03.54ScytheBlade1lol
05:04.18Shirik:(
05:04.23ShirikEven my facebook page is a ?
05:04.34ScytheBlade1My facebook page is a ? too
05:05.57tekkubo/~ It's cod outside, there's no kind of atmosphere o/~
05:05.57ScytheBlade1Whoo, up to 5!
05:06.02tekkub*dance dance dance*
05:06.07ScytheBlade1Which is at least as many people as responded when I asked about it earlier
05:06.27tekkubs/cod/cold/
05:07.08Fisker-problem officer?
05:09.48kmcguireOk, I implicitly linked my dll and it made a jump table.
05:10.12kmcguireSooo, this means that aliens really do exist.
05:11.06kd3hm. we need an icon
05:11.18ScytheBlade1yeah, thinking about that now
05:11.59ScytheBlade1suggestions welcome
05:12.13kd3a signed photo of cirenn?
05:12.15kd3cairenn*
05:12.16ScytheBlade1ha
05:12.19Cairennno
05:12.19kd3>.>
05:12.27ScytheBlade1I mean
05:12.31ScytheBlade1I have the ABILITY to do that
05:12.37ScytheBlade1But the question is
05:12.44ScytheBlade1Do I want to remain living for the next day?
05:13.14ScytheBlade1Plus you know, despite not having one, I'm pretty sure that 184x184 wouldn't do it justice
05:14.23ScytheBlade1Shirik: you said you joined? Who are you in there?
05:14.57kd3is curious at iy4life
05:15.37ScytheBlade1?
05:15.52kd3one of the group members
05:16.11ScytheBlade1Weird, not seeing anyone by that names
05:16.32ScytheBlade1*name
05:16.52Shirikkd3 :(
05:17.06ShirikI made that name a long time ago
05:17.09Shirikprobably a bout 6 years or more
05:17.29JamashI am Mooninaut
05:17.37JamashI just joined up
05:17.38Arrowmasterhaha Shirik
05:18.17ScytheBlade1yeah, looks like steam isn't the best when it comes to proper synching of group joins
05:18.23ScytheBlade1I had to restart to see a few people
05:18.27kd3whee! figured out how to un-fail mythtv's video browser ui... even though I'm using a widescreen theme it's still using a 4:3 layout
05:18.32kd3sighs
05:21.02ScytheBlade1Any suggestions for a picture, by chance?
05:23.00Arrowmasterwtb new computer..... hayate no gotoku cant play without a/v desyncing =(
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05:31.35kd3yay for the -framedrop flag?
05:32.02ScytheBlade1finally setting up an htpc?
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05:32.32Arrowmasterkd3: would have to switch to mplayer for that right?
05:32.53kd3xine/vlc should both have similar options
05:32.58kd3is most familiar with mplayer
05:33.01kmcguireShirik, Here I some code I have been playing with. I found somewhere that the HMODULE value is actually a memory address to the actual header image structure for the DLL. I load two dlls. One implicitly and one explicitly. Then I query a loaded dll for it's exported functions and their address in memory (weather it be into the jump table or directly). Just what the application would call.
05:33.02kmcguirehttp://pastebin.com/m10aee745
05:33.28kmcguireIt is not going to do what you want yet, but it may be very close.
05:35.01kmcguireI think I could with a little time. Write some routines to build my own jump table to trap the calls and maybe even change the arguments or the return value.
05:35.31Cairennwheee, net split!
05:36.00MentalPoweragain...
05:36.00ScytheBlade1bye people
05:36.00ScytheBlade1meh
05:36.01ScytheBlade1We're still better off than dalnet
05:36.01Cairennheh
05:38.05kmcguireJust build jump table like, [push (uniqueid) call (genericfunction)]...    Your generic function will use the uniqueid to determine to what function this call is going to as in (the DLL and function). A function like __stdcall GenericHook(U32 UID, U32 A, U32 B) might work.
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05:41.59Cairennwb
05:43.05ScytheBlade1kd3: there, have a picture
05:43.15Cairennheh
05:43.33CairennScytheBlade1: the one thing I didn't ask .... why?  why that name?
05:43.44ScytheBlade1the group of people it corresponds to
05:43.48Cairennhokay
05:43.51Cairenn:)
05:47.06ScytheBlade1pretty simple reason ;)
05:47.46Cairennyep
05:50.09Cairenngeez, freenode's having problems tonight, huh?
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05:50.50kmcguireJust the server anthony.freenode.net.
05:51.12Syzgynholy netsplits batman
05:51.12Shirikkmcguire, you can't know what server split
05:51.12Cairennyeah
05:51.23Cairenn(@ Syzgyn)
05:52.40kmcguireYou are right. I can not know for sure which server splits. But, I think it is just anthony since only people using that server seem to be leaving. But, I could be wrong.
05:52.50Shirikyou can't tell what server anyone is on
05:53.05ScytheBlade1That's the server you are on
05:53.10ScytheBlade1I show it being pratchett
05:53.17SyzgynThat's the server your mom is on!
05:53.19Shirik(01:49:45)  -› Netsplit (zelazny.freenode.net ‹-› irc.freenode.net) 22 quits: SNiLD, ronghail, Syzgyn, dave`, Dewin, Corrodias, Antiarc, Codayus, Nechckn, Esamynn|Away, dbguy, ckknight, Maldivia, spode-, Diao, chrippa, Tinyboom, Sixen, theorbtwo, jnwhiteh, subu, Gnarfoz
05:53.28ShirikThis only means that zelazny is my server
05:53.29ckknight?
05:53.37Shirikoh oops
05:53.40ShirikThey rejoined >.>
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05:53.51Shirikyay for 22 random pings
05:53.58ShirikAnd why does Repo die every time there's a netsplit
05:54.05kmcguireOh, you guys are right. It is the server I am on, lol.
05:54.35Gnarfoznetsplits are fun
05:55.33Shirik!g 0xc000007b
05:55.35batbotShirik: 0xc000007B Error - The application failed to initialize properly ... <http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43776>
05:55.40Syzgynwtf http://wcbstv.com/seenat11/smoking.candy.smarties.2.982419.html
05:55.54SyzgynKids are weird
06:01.17kmcguireShirik, have you figured out where cogwheel's main base is yet?
06:01.22Shirikah so that was you
06:01.24Shirikstop scaring me
06:01.28kmcguirehaha
06:01.31Shirikwhen I hear a beep and I'm afk I start to think I'm being attacked
06:02.07Arrowmasteri bet its because supybot sucks and cant handle netsplits
06:02.22ShirikIs Repo based off supybot?
06:02.27ShirikAnd even so, why would it exit with "Excess Flood"
06:02.34Shirikwtf does it do when there is a netsplit
06:03.01XinhuanShirik: ask ckknight, he owns that bot
06:03.15ckknightyes, it is, Shirik
06:03.29ckknightI don't know why it does excess flood
06:03.30ckknightwth
06:03.33ckknighttbh*
06:03.53Shirikdo you do anything on join or on quit?
06:04.13ckknightnot to my knowledge
06:04.20ckknighttbh, I'm not really too worried about it
06:11.16Shirikheh
06:11.34Shirikyou know most security vulnerabilities in released applications start with "I'm not really too worried about it"
06:12.59ShirikScytheBlade1: be afraid
06:13.01ShirikBe very afraid
06:15.24ArrowmasterShirik: repo uses supybot as the base afaik, and i wonder if it does a /who on join or something and thats why its flooding
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06:16.25Arrowmasternice hostname sbo
06:17.06ScytheBl1de1argh
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06:17.37ScytheBl1de1grr, stupid nick
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06:23.30kmcguireMaybe its buffered up some output and on join it starts sending.
06:24.10Shirikhm
06:24.15Shirikis there a way to write to stderr in Lua?
06:24.30kmcguireio.stderr maybe.. not sure.
06:24.47Shirikoh wow that really exists
06:25.02kmcguireI am 99% sure the io.stdout exists, not sure about stderr.
06:25.18kmcguireWell, maybe 80%.
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06:28.37ScytheBlade1wtf, another sector with a quasar cannon
06:28.46Shirikget the hell out our shit
06:28.50Shirikactually I have no idea where you are
06:28.53Shirikbut I assume you're near us
06:29.13ScytheBlade1lol
06:30.43ScytheBlade1That was... painful
06:30.46ScytheBlade1But oh well
06:30.50digmouseis EU realms' maintenance 8 hours earlier than US?
06:30.50ScytheBlade1Another sector on the avoid list
06:30.57digmouseor a day later?
06:31.08kmcguireWhat sector was it scytheblade?
06:32.02ScytheBlade1Now I'm not sure
06:32.04ScytheBlade1sec, scrolling up
06:32.19ScytheBlade1aaannnddd it doesn't scroll up that far
06:33.14Shiriklua> local a,b = (" "):rep(3):match("(%s+)(%s+)"); return #a, #b
06:33.15lua_botShirik: 2, 1
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06:36.18Shirikyay for ugly patterns
06:36.19Shirikline:match("([0-9]+)%s+([0-9a-fA-F]+)%s+([0-9a-fA-F]*)%s+(%S+)%s*(.-)$");
06:38.26Fisker-slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout
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06:46.32Shirikheheheh
06:46.38ShirikI just dumped the contents of Kernel32.dll
06:46.47ShirikThere are exactly 1337 functions exported
06:46.59ScytheBlade1lol
06:47.25Shirikhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/112132
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06:49.34ScytheBlade1kmcguire: I'm showing you switched from being evil to being good?
06:49.52kmcguireIt was a accident.
06:49.57ScytheBlade1lol
06:50.12Shirikaccident?
06:50.15ShirikHow do you accidentally go good?
06:50.36kmcguireI killed someone who was more evil than me.
06:50.42ScytheBlade1lol
06:50.48Shirikwhy ><
06:50.51kmcguireAnd, it awarded me like 10k of points in the positive direction.
06:50.59Shirikwho the hell did you kill
06:50.59kmcguireI just like killing things, lol.
06:51.14kmcguireOh, it was not someone. It was some fighters.
06:51.20kmcguireIn a sector 888 I think.
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07:03.39Shiriklua> (" ordinal hint RVA name"):match("%s*orginal%s*hint%s*RVA%s*name")
07:03.39lua_botShirik: nil
07:03.44Shirikanyone see why that doesn't match?
07:04.16Shiriklua> (" ordinal hint RVA name"):match("%s*ordinal%s*hint%s*RVA%s*name")
07:04.17lua_botShirik:  ordinal hint RVA name
07:04.21Shirikyeah that was stupid...
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07:23.07Industri1lCairenn: http://www.thefiledump.net/pictures/s/selection668880.jpg
07:23.10Industri1lSQUEEEZE
07:23.27Cairennawwww, poor little kitty :(
07:24.28Industri1lbut it looks so cute :p
07:25.56kmcguireShirik, are you trying to extract that stuff from the objdump output?
07:25.59Cairennit's got a broken leg :(
07:26.04ShirikI already did
07:26.12kmcguireWhat are you going to do with it?
07:26.23ScytheBlade1It is also going to be incredibly well taken care of from the looks of that picture
07:26.50kmcguireI guess you could use the RVA to find the function address, but just asking?
07:31.03Shiriknot really what I want to do
07:31.15ShirikI'm trying to redirect the application to another dll
07:31.38Shirikhowever, I run into an issue -- Windows disallows DLL redirection for specific DLLs
07:31.47ShirikKernel32.dll is one of those DLLs, with good reason
07:32.08Shirikso I need to trick it into letting me do it
07:32.16kmcguireHow do you trick it?
07:32.21ShirikI'm not sure yet
07:32.23Shirikbut I'll find a way
07:32.57ScytheBlade1What are you trying to do?
07:33.09Shirikoverride the memory allocation functions of an already-compiled application
07:36.15Shirikoof
07:36.19Shirikjust found a bug in windows 7 though
07:36.33Shirikthat's annoying
07:36.39airtonix"a bug" lol
07:36.44airtonixjoin the que
07:36.45Shirikcygwin and command prompt are "grouped together" as they always have, that's no big deal
07:37.07Shirikhowever, if I ctrl+shift click on command prompt (supposed to start a new copy as administrator), it takes the first in the group instead of the application I clicked on
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07:37.14Shirikso it makes an admin cygwin instead of an admin command prompt
07:38.17Shirikoh wow
07:38.20ShirikI even closed all cygwins
07:38.27Shirikand it still opens cygwin...
07:39.21Kalrothowned by cygwin!
07:39.34Shirikok, I found a way to trick it I think
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07:44.17Shirikseriously, why did Microsoft change the event viewer
07:44.21Shirikit's so hard to find anything anymore
07:46.42Fisker-just like your mom hoho
07:48.36Fisker-i lol'd @ demigod btw
07:48.50Fisker-Can pretty much blow the AI to hell
07:49.13Fisker-Just before i ended up critting for 9k (And i didn't even have that much hp, less did anyone else, oneshotting people is fun)
07:50.29ShirikHahahaha
07:50.35ShirikDiagnostics-Performance log
07:50.43ShirikCritical Error: Windows has started up
07:50.56ShirikIncident Time (UTC):‎2009‎-‎04‎-‎11T21:04:19.718400400Z
07:51.57MysticellI find that critically funny... but...
07:52.54MysticellSomeone has made something like 60 posts in the suggestions forum all in one thread with a huge... huge-ass list of everything
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08:01.49ShirikNICE
08:01.54ShirikI think I did it successfully
08:02.27Shirikhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/07362ebc91547e27e9ddcd095f70ed17.png
08:02.27ShirikI win
08:02.37ShirikI redirected it to Lua's directory
08:06.23kmcguireHow did you redirect it?
08:07.19airtonixMe: “Thanks for calling ****. This is ****, how may I help you?”
08:07.19airtonixCustomer: “When I try to change my password, I’m typing and it’s just making stars.”
08:07.19airtonixMe: “OK…that’s normal. It’s a security feature to prevent someone standing behind you from seeing what you’re typing.”
08:07.19airtonixCustomer: “But there’s no one standing behind me…”
08:07.20airtonixMe: “…”
08:08.00Shirikkmcguire: I can use the application manifest to identify a dll file which should be local
08:08.14ShirikI can then use #pragma comment to redirect from my dll to the original one
08:09.05kmcguireSo make a kernel32.dll in it's working directory that it loads?
08:09.14kmcguireI mean, so you do that?
08:11.06MoleculorOk. Has anyone here who's awake beaten at least World 4 in Braid?
08:13.10Shirikyup kmcguire
08:13.28Shirikand then I can make a kernel33.dll in that same directory that I forward any requests to
08:13.36kmcguireWhat is this pragma directive that you are talking about?
08:13.46Shirik#pragma comment(linker, "/export:AddSecureMemoryCacheCallback=kernel33.AddSecureMemoryCacheCallback")
08:13.49Shirikfor example
08:14.06Shirikallows me to basically "manually link"
08:14.32kmcguireneato
08:17.29Shirikas a result, kmcguire, my injected DLL looks like this
08:17.51Shirikhttp://wowi.pastey.net/112133
08:18.24Shiriknow all I have to do is copy C:\Windows\System32\KERNEL32.dll to that directory as KERNEL33.dll
08:18.34Shirikand they wil all be forwarded there
08:18.44Adyswhat the HELL
08:18.45Adyshttp://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=45737
08:18.56Adysglyphs are an excuse not to fix bugs now?
08:21.06ShirikI don't get it Adys
08:21.08Shirikwhat's wrong?
08:21.21Adysthis glyph is a "fix"
08:21.25Adysto a spell
08:21.29Shirik?
08:21.38WobinMoleculor: waiting for it to come out on the PC
08:21.48MoleculorIt's out.
08:21.49MoleculorSteam.
08:21.52Adysthe living bomb dot is SUPPOSED to be able to crit
08:22.14MoleculorPlaying now. Stuck on level 4-4.
08:22.24Adyswhat probably happened
08:22.40WobinMoleculor: woo
08:22.43WobinI shall have a look
08:22.43Adysthey couldnt get it to crit during beta, they couldnt be arsed to fix it, they balanced the spell around it not critting
08:22.45Wobinta
08:22.58Adysand now they release a glyph as a "fix"
08:23.40kmcguireShirik, Ah. I just tried it. I did not know of this method.
08:23.45Adysright now I imagine a glyph making frostbolt non-binary
08:23.59Adysif they had gone down that path..
08:24.18kmcguireYeah, if it loads the filter dll which redirects everything that you do not want to catch to the real dll.
08:24.29kmcguireHmm, thanks for telling me about this.
08:27.01Shirikhowever I'm having a little issue
08:27.05Shirikit seems my DLL is still pissing it off
08:27.12Shirikare you having luck with it?
08:27.18ShirikAnd god damn windows event viewer is useless right now
08:43.53Fisker-why stuck Moleculor ?
08:44.23MoleculorI didn't realize that height is height is height.
08:44.38MoleculorWhether it comes from a platform, or elsewhere.
08:44.55Fisker-stil having trouble?
08:47.31MoleculorNope.
08:47.38MoleculorHunt was what was giving me troubles.
08:47.47MoleculorI knew WHAT I had to do, I just didn't know how to get to the last goomba to do it.
08:48.06MoleculorBut height is height is height.
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08:53.28MoleculorOof. The last part of World 4 will have to be something I sleep on. I get what I'm supposed to do again, just not entirely sure how to do it yet. It'll come to me.
08:55.24Adysso no one has a mekgineers chopper?
08:58.26DagmarI have one.
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09:11.44ShirikIs it bad that I literally just found out about belt buckles?
09:11.53MoleculorBWAHAHAHA! World 4 is DONE. SUCK ON IT, TIME SPACE CONTINUUM!
09:11.58MoleculorNOW I can sleep.
09:12.14Moleculor... And yes, that is very bad, Shirik.
09:12.18MoleculorVery. Very bad.
09:12.29Shirikmy guild is laughing at me now :(
09:12.34MoleculorAs they should.
09:12.38ShirikIt's compounded by the fact that I'm the healing lead
09:12.40Shirikand didn't know
09:12.45MoleculorBut only slightly, as it's not like they're advertised much.
09:14.00nevcairiel~failrk
09:14.03nevcairiel~failrik
09:14.03purlFAIL, Shirik, FAIL!
09:14.04nevcairiel~fail me
09:14.05purlnevcairiel: FAIL!
09:14.29Moleculorblinks.
09:14.38MoleculorThat's a smart bot, if that's a bot.
09:14.52MoleculorUnless ~failrik is a pre-customized command.
09:15.20nevcairielwe need it that often, so we predefined it
09:15.38MoleculorAhhh.
09:15.40Shirik~factinfo failrik
09:15.40purlfailrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (390 days); it has been requested 57 times, last by nevcairiel, 1m 37s ago.
09:15.41MoleculorK.
09:15.53Shiriklua> 57/390
09:15.54lua_botShirik: 0.14615384615385
09:15.59ShirikI only average .14 fails per day
09:16.05Shirikthat's less than 1 a week
09:16.45MoleculorMakes me wonder how easy it WOULD be to make an accurate fail<namefragment> command.
09:17.19MoleculorProbably pretty easy, actually, so long as the fragment was either specific enough, or simply programmed to assume the most recent speaker with that fragment in it.
09:17.44Shirikharass (sp?)
09:17.51Shirikwhere's batbot
09:18.38nevcairiel--> "wave"
09:18.38batbotnevcairiel: > wave
09:18.49Shirikbatbot lost his spelling correction ability? :(
09:18.49batbotShirik, \(o_O)/
09:18.52Shirik...
09:18.55nevcairiellol
09:19.10nevcairielharass(sp?)
09:19.17nevcairieloh well
09:19.59MoleculorHarass is spelled correctly.
09:20.05MoleculorHaras(sp?)
09:20.12MoleculorHm. Or maybe both.
09:20.24nevcairielIt used to tell you if its correct too
09:47.02Adys~failrik
09:47.03purlFAIL, Shirik, FAIL!
09:48.03Shirik~stab Adys
09:48.03purlACTION runs at Adys with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
09:48.14Adys~lart purl
09:48.14purlturns adys into a lifesized tux doll
09:48.22Adys:(
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09:59.48Shirikpets the lifesized tux doll
10:00.04ShirikI seriously think Windows just invents error codes sometimes
10:00.21ShirikThere is absolutely no documentation on this error I'm getting, it's nowhere in the Windows event log, and Visual Studio cannot trap it
10:00.39nevcairielits the failrik error
10:01.10nevcairielwahts the error code?
10:01.41Shirik0xc000007b
10:02.40JamashBus crashed, driver error
10:02.47Shirikuh.... no
10:02.49nevcairielAll i can find on google that its a bogus error thrown by some worm
10:03.30zenzelezzseems to be a lot of "bad image" suggestions
10:03.30JamashShirik has worms?
10:03.31Shirikno it's definitely something related to my DLL
10:03.39Shirik"bad image" is the BSOD c000007b
10:03.46zenzelezzaha
10:05.24Jamashout of idle curiosity, why are you trying to trap calls to kernel32.dll?
10:05.40Shiriknevcairiel suggested I try to help valgrind work on windows
10:05.45ShirikSo I'm trying a proof-of-concept
10:05.45nevcairielmeh all references i can google up either refer to the BSOD code, or a virus
10:05.54Jamashyou must be a sucker for punishment
10:06.27zenzelezzShirik: when and how are you getting this error?
10:06.47ShirikWhen I try to convince Lua5.1.exe to use my KERNEL32.dll instead of the normal one
10:08.25Adyshttp://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-04-11-n58.html
10:08.27Shirikah hmmm
10:08.29Shirikthis looks interesting
10:08.41ShirikDependency Walker: Error: Modules with different CPU types were found.
10:09.43ShirikApparently I have a 64-bit Lua instead of the 32-bit one I thought I had
10:09.56ShirikI think that's fouling thing sup
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10:10.24Etanolwhat?
10:10.39Etanolhax
10:12.44Torhalnevcairiel: Is it actually that late here? Seems like a couple of hours ago you were saying you were going to bed...
10:13.01nevcairielit was 4am when i went to bed
10:13.05nevcairielnow its 12
10:13.09Etanolooooh
10:13.16Etanolwhere are you from nevcairiel?
10:13.26mikmascheisseland
10:13.32EtanolI'm from the same timezone :D
10:13.34Etanolsweden
10:13.36TorhalDayum
10:13.45nevcairiel~wowalert
10:13.46purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
10:13.46TorhalI've been awake longer than I thought
10:13.56nevcairielthe CET/CEST timezone holds alot of people =P
10:13.56Etanolgoes to a south window to wave to nevcairiel
10:17.20Kalrothnev makes the holes in swiss cheese
10:17.38nevcairielyeah, i eat them out
10:19.12nevcairielhm the battlegroup of my realm just got shutdown, and nowhere any text on whats up
10:19.19nevcairielwhy does EU not even have a realm status forum anymore
10:23.28ShirikGreat.
10:23.38ShirikNow I've fixed all the errors reported in dependency walker, and I still get a random error
10:23.42Shirikat least the error changed though
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10:25.33EtanolSYNTAX ERROR: good code expected, got shit
10:25.34Etanol;)
10:25.51EtanolI really hate the error messages in lua
10:25.58Etanolline usually isnt enough for me
10:26.25Etanol"Line x, character y" would help alot more
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10:29.08AdysEtanol: at a high performance cost
10:29.17Adys(theres a lot of reasons against it)
10:30.59Etanolhm
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10:31.08Etanoladd a debug mode in lua ^^
10:31.10Etanolin settings
10:31.20Etanolwhen enabled, shows characted numbers in error messages
10:31.32EtanolI am just FULL of good ideas today!!!
10:31.41Gnarfoztoo bad that's not one of them
10:31.43Gnarfoztry again, though
10:32.46Etanol:(
10:34.03ShirikEtanol: Almost no language tells you what character caused a problem
10:34.07ShirikAnd of those that do, it's rarely correct
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10:34.15ShirikLine numbers are far more than sufficient in 99% of cases
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10:44.04Etanolwhat's the difference between DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(), print() and SendChatmessage() ?
10:44.21Adyssendchatmessage sends a message
10:44.33Adysso a whisp, chan msg etc
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10:44.49AdysFRAME:AddMessage() adds a specific message to the frame
10:45.03Adysprint() adds a message to the print handler (DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME generally)
10:49.22Legorolthe first two examples are *local* to the client, and get printed directly into the chat frame
10:49.33Legorolsendchatmessage sends texts through the server to other players
10:51.25Arrowmasterprint() can be modified by other addons to do something other than output to the default chat frame, so dont use it for anything other than debuging
10:52.19foxlitmeh
10:52.35foxlitI'd say you can rightfully whine at any addon that breaks print behavior.
10:53.39Arrowmasterits designed to be changed
10:54.02foxlitYeah, well, and what isn't? :)
10:54.10Arrowmasterthats why we have setprinthandler()
10:54.15ShirikWell
10:54.23Shirikyou can change DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME.AddMessage too
10:54.48Arrowmasteryeah thats probably safe
10:55.06Arrowmasteralthough i do know that changing ChatFrame2 taints the fuck out of shit
10:55.14Shirikwhy do you know that ><
10:55.18Shirikdo I want to know?
10:56.14Arrowmasterbecause i was working on different ways to hook chatframe2.addmessage to add timestamps to all messages not coming from the combatlog
10:57.27Arrowmasterone was replacing ChatFrame2 with a proxy table before Blizzard_CombatLog loaded, then restoring ChatFrame2 back to the original after the combatlog was loaded, since the combatlog does COMBATLOG = ChatFrame2; local COMBATLOG = COMBATLOG
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11:20.01Etanolwhat does "return end" dp?
11:20.14Etanolend the current function,loop or addon?
11:23.52Shirikum
11:24.02Shirikreturn and end are parts of 2 different statements
11:24.11Shirikreturn is a statement, end is the end of a block
11:24.43Shirikreturn exits the function with the specified return value(s) (including the option of no return values)
11:25.07Etanolok
11:25.09Etanolthen explain
11:25.16Etanol"if 1~=1 then return end"
11:25.44Kraftmanits not returning 'end'
11:25.58Kraftmanreturn; end
11:26.04cbreakit's returning to the caller
11:26.08cbreakand ending the block
11:26.20cbreak(in this case, it ends the if)
11:26.37Etanolweird
11:26.48Shiriknot to mention that line is very messed up
11:26.55Shirikconsidering the "1 ~= 1"
11:27.06cbreaklooks like a dead code
11:27.14cbreak(or typing error :)
11:27.39Etanolno
11:27.48Etanolhttp://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes
11:27.51Etanol1st quote
11:28.04cbreakdead code
11:28.20cbreakyou can replace it with "" without loss of functionality I think
11:28.23nevcairielthose are quoted there for their comical value, not for their code-quality :p
11:28.26Etanolno :P
11:28.36Etanolmaybe it's quantum code
11:28.40Torhal...
11:28.41Etanol1 might not always be 1
11:28.47Torhal/wrists
11:28.58cbreakit will in all cases that are not caused by hardware errors
11:30.14Etanolo rly? :P
11:30.17EtanolI though 1 was 0
11:30.27cbreaka not quite common error
11:30.57Shirik0 = 1 (mod 1)
11:31.11ShirikI think that's a true statement...
11:31.26cbreakI think that's an error
11:31.40cbreakassignment to a constant
11:31.40Shirik...
11:31.40Shirikit's not lua fool
11:31.42AdysSyntaxError: can't assign to literal
11:31.43Shirikit's math
11:31.55cbreakmelts
11:31.57cbreakmath!
11:35.37Fisker-slaps cbreak around a bit with a large trout
11:35.56cbreakyou can't hurt me with trout. I have mayonaise!
11:36.08Fisker-your mom is mayonaise
11:36.19cbreakthat's an uncommon misconception.
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11:53.39Fisker-that's what she said
11:56.10Etanolwhat's what HE said
11:56.17Etanolze tasty germanboy
11:57.03Fisker->;3?
12:18.35WobinMoleculor: Goddamn
12:18.37Wobin4-4
12:24.00WobinI just -can't- get that last double jump
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12:31.38Etanoldouble jump?
12:31.39Etanolin wow?
12:32.33EtanolQuestion: Is frame show/hide status preserved between sessions?
12:32.40Etanolsay I hide chatframe1 and 2
12:33.42nevcairielgenerally its not preserved, but chatframes might be different
12:34.25EtanolI want to have a keybinding to toggle chatframes and an underlying frame, for arenas and such
12:47.28Wobinno Braid
12:49.27Etanoli need nice buff frames
12:51.09Fisker-slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout
12:52.38foxlitIf I click on an action in a level 2 dropdown menu, is it supposed to close only the level 2 part, or the entire dropdown?
13:02.09CodayusHmmm
13:02.14Codayus08:53:24 up 21:36,  1 user,  load average: 18.01, 63.03, 83.69
13:02.22Codayus...that doesn't souind very healthy at all.  :-/
13:11.50mikmanice load
13:12.47WobinThat's what he says to all the boys
13:12.59WobinPS Braid is -really- really good
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13:15.13foxlitHm, recursion behavior
13:16.16foxlitWonder if I should keep it shallow or attempt to prevent infinitely deep loops.
13:16.29Wobinboth
13:16.41foxlitboth would be the first.
13:16.50foxlitSince you can't get an infinitely deep loop while being shallow :P
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13:19.22Codayusmikma: Preliminary indications point to an eqdkp install as being the culprit.  I find myself unsurprised, although I admit, I haven't seen eqdkp break in that PARTICULAR fashion before.
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13:35.34Wobinwell
13:35.45WobinYou can attempt to prevent infinitely deep loops by -keeping- them shallow =)
13:35.48Wobinso yes, both =)
13:36.14foxlitAt the same time, the cool behavior would actually let you recurse.
13:36.33Wobinrecursion
13:36.37Wobinall the cool kids are doing it again
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13:48.45SyzgynEugh.  I don't remember the last time I was up this early.
13:48.59foxlitIt's only 1548!
13:49.29nevcairielyeah way to early to be up
13:49.38nevcairieli should sleep at least to 1800
13:49.45SyzgynI've been up for 2 hours now, got dragged to easter breakfast
13:58.49foxlitWhat the? Patricia Kaas at eurovision?
13:59.00foxlitThat can't be right.
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14:57.22pwntanghi there. Is there any way to reload an addon without using reloadui?
14:58.56Kasono
14:59.09Kasothe sole purpose of reloadui is to, uh, reload the ui
14:59.39Tewanhow do you change tracking via a macro?
14:59.51Tewanlike, I want to disable tracking
14:59.56Kasopwntang, whats is it that you ultimately want to do?
15:01.44pwntangmakes changes to the code of an addon, then have the changes apply for testing
15:01.51pwntangright now I'm using /console reloadui
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15:02.00pwntangI just wondered if there was a quicker way
15:02.32Kalrothdisable all order addons while debugging :)
15:02.33KasoWell if you're just doing lua changes there are various in-game lua editors you can use to re-write functions etc
15:04.00Kasoand yes what Kalroth said is true, i personally have a level 1 character with all addons disabled apart from my debugging/developing addons dumped in the middle of nowhere so it loads fast
15:04.05Etanolwhat's the irc command to send text to the current channel?
15:04.23Kasoyou mean the protocol? PRIVMSG
15:05.13pwntangcan you modify the code of an addon using something like wowlua? I mean, can you open addon.lua from within Interface/AddOns/Addon and edit it in game?
15:05.19KasoPRIVMSG #channelName :Hi this is a message!\r\n
15:05.34Kasopwntang not exactly
15:05.45Kasoyou can make lua changes in game, but you cant edit files etc
15:06.46Kasoso you can for instance, replace a function with a newly amended function that fixes something, but unless you also edit the file it will just be temp
15:08.47EtanolHmm.. I have alot of bacon in my fridge... ideas on what to cook?
15:09.05Aquayea, biscuits and gravy, bacon and eggs
15:09.08Kasobacon?
15:10.45TewanIs there a way to stop tracking things via a macro?
15:11.22pwntangbacon sandwich with brown sauce
15:11.39theorbtwoTewan: You mean like "track fish", "track humanoids"?
15:11.43Tewanyeah
15:11.54TewanThat way I don't have to pull down the dropmenu every time I change to cat form.
15:12.01Etanolhaha
15:12.01theorbtwoThey are positive auras that you can dismiss, IIRC.
15:12.04Etanolbacon sandwich?
15:12.04pwntangI get it, so if you haven't got the function quite right, you can play around with it using wowlua then make the changes permanent when you're happy?
15:12.24Kasopwntang, yah
15:12.29Tewantheorbtwo: what do you mean?
15:12.41Etanolbacon!
15:12.48pwntangEtanol, if you have a lot of bacon in the fridge, make a bacon sandwich
15:12.59pwntangwith brown sauce and loads of pepper
15:13.02Kasoi'd just make a stack of bacon
15:13.05Kasoand just eat bacon
15:13.08Kasommm bacon
15:13.29pwntangI had a bacon sarnie the other day. Was real good
15:13.39AquaBLT
15:13.43Aquagood shit
15:13.44Tewantheorbtwo: I tried /cancelaura Track Humanoids
15:13.46Tewanand it didn'tw or
15:13.56theorbtwoCould well be wrong.
15:13.56Etanoldoesn't brown sauce take like 20 minutes to prepare+
15:14.14theorbtwoI haven't tried it, I'm going against how the combat text thing responds to it.
15:14.14pwntangit comes in a bottle.....where are you from?
15:14.21Etanolsweden
15:14.26Etanolin sweden, we actually cook food
15:14.26pwntangmaybe it's a british thing
15:14.33Etanolinstead of buying it at mcdonalds :P
15:14.50pwntangI think you're misunderstanding what brown sauce is
15:14.56KasoMaking brown sauce from stratch seems a little overkill
15:15.28Etanolwater, broth, cream, and some more stuff
15:15.30pwntangyou cook the bacon (dont need to go to Mac's for it) then put brown sauce over the top
15:15.36Etanoland soy
15:15.49Tewanfound something to help me
15:15.54pwntanghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce
15:16.07Etanolhaha :D
15:16.15EtanolWish I had that
15:16.25pwntangmany people do choose to go to macdonalds, but I choose to cook...so british people do cook
15:16.35Etanolare you british?
15:16.39pwntangyes
15:16.43Aquadude, scotch eggs..... i aint had one in forever...
15:16.43Etanolcup of tea, yeesh?
15:16.57pwntangI'm drinking one right now, with milk
15:17.00Etanol;>
15:17.09Etanolwhat's your favourite tea?
15:17.18pwntangPG tips
15:17.22AquaYES, i love brits
15:17.33pwntanghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pg_tips
15:17.36Aquamy friends from manchester are coming over for xmas
15:17.42pwntangor twinings everyday tea bags
15:18.22Etanolhm
15:18.28EtanolI need a recipe without brown sauce
15:18.35Etanolhow do you make a tasty bacon sandwich?
15:18.57pwntangfry bacon with some kind of oil, I prefer olive oil
15:19.03pwntanguntil slightly crisp
15:19.42pwntangget some bread, white is best, then put the bread in the fatty frying pan for a couple of seconds before puttin the bacon on it
15:20.02Adyshttp://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=48585.0
15:20.06Adysone of the most equal polls
15:20.07Adysever on mmoc
15:20.10pwntangadd pepper and brown sauce, and soak the other peice of bread in the fat
15:20.29pwntangput the other peice of bread on top and eat with a cup of steaming hot tea
15:20.45Etanolhaha
15:20.47Etanolim on it ;D
15:20.56pwntanghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_sandwich
15:21.01pwntangwikipedia is good
15:21.40pwntang"Usually some form of sauce, such as tomato ketchup or brown sauce, is included. (HP Sauce advertises itself as the perfect complement to a bacon sandwich.) Bacon sandwiches are an all-day favourite throughout the United Kingdom."
15:21.45Etanolyou like cheese on a bacon sandwich?
15:21.50pwntangno way
15:21.57KasoAdys, that's closer than a Minnesota state senator election!
15:22.02Kaso<PROTECTED>
15:22.15Kasoit actually isnt, but meh
15:22.51pwntangdefinately no cheese....all you need is bacon, butter, bread, pepper, oil & sauce (preferably brown)
15:23.01AdysKaso: lol
15:23.30EtanolI have no sauce :/
15:24.01pwntangI have another question please........if you wanted to make an addon that replaced something that's there by default (for example, the unit frames or mini map border), how do you stop the Blizzard default ones from showing?
15:24.23Etanolhttp://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/sauce.gif
15:24.33pwntangEtanol: with no sauce, the experience won't be quite the same, but will definately be a good one!
15:25.51Adyspwntang: you dont prevent it from showing
15:25.53Adysyou replace it
15:26.02Adyswell, afaik anyway, meh
15:26.24pwntangwould that involve naming certain things the same as the defaults within your xml?
15:26.27Adysreally gotta go now
15:26.27Adysadk
15:26.28Adysafk
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15:29.05Etanollua>function checkBacon() if bacon == "frozen" then print("damn"); end end; bacon = "frozen"; checkBacon()
15:29.05lua_botEtanol: damn
15:29.07Kasopwntang, really depends what you are wanting to do exactly
15:29.41Kasoyou can use the widget API to change textures and stuff of existing frames
15:30.09Kasobut if you want to make major changes often it is easier to hide/remove the blizzard frames and replace with yours
15:30.33klugeplease is there a way to change the font on the damage/block/parry etc text in the middle of my screen?
15:30.50pwntangI'm a beginner, so I wouldn't want to do this for a long time, but I had in mind if you wanted to make a replacement set of unit frames
15:30.59pwntanglike xperl for example
15:31.15KasoI think most replacement unit frames just hide/disconnect the default ones
15:31.20pwntangEtanol: nooooooooo
15:31.29Kasoi've not really looked at that though so im not 100%
15:31.48pwntangkludge: ClearFont2
15:32.04klugetyvm pwntang
15:32.20pwntangnps
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15:46.08Etanolmmm
15:46.14Etanoltoastet bread with bacon
15:46.25Etanol-t+d
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15:48.46pwntangtoasted bread *is* an option, but I'd recommend fresh white bread not toasted
15:50.57Etanolit's not entirely toasted
15:51.00Etanoljust ~50%
15:51.08Etanolto give it a crunch
15:51.54pwntangbrb, need to restart
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15:53.46Kasothats the optimum amount of toasting imo
15:55.53Etanolindeed ^^
15:57.18Tulleris it bad that I read that as "that's the optimum amount of tostring imo"
15:57.37Kasotostring(tostring(tostring(tostring(tostring("lol")))))
15:57.52nevcairieloh hey Tuller, i noticed today something weird with Combuctor
15:58.03nevcairielWhen i close my bank window with escape, it doesnt actually let go of the NPC
15:58.04Tullerthe weird thing being?
15:58.12nevcairielwhen i press the X button it works fine
15:58.13Tullerare you running the svn version?
15:58.23nevcairiellike always
15:58.24nevcairiel:)
15:59.08nevcairielsvn is just easier to update :p
15:59.31Tulleryeah
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15:59.56Tullerits because i'm trying to figure out why people sometimes cannot move items in their bank
16:00.11nevcairielThey probably didnt attach to the NPC probably
16:00.14nevcairiel*properly
16:00.22Tullerprobably
16:00.23nevcairieland i don't detach!
16:00.34TullerI know why you don't though :P
16:00.43TullerI switched the close logic to prevent double bank closed events :P
16:00.46Tullerwhich broke it :)
16:01.03nevcairielits not that of a big deal, just irritating when i close it with escape, then remember what i missed, and try to open it again
16:01.10nevcairielhave to run away :)
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16:08.15Tullertry now
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16:34.13Etanolhey
16:34.18Etanolin braid, world 5
16:34.20Etanolthe clone stuff
16:34.34Etanolhow do you come up from the tunnel with the rabbit in?
16:34.47Etanolonly way I figured is to rewind, but then I drop the key
16:35.40Fisker-slaps Tuller around a bit with a large trout
16:35.53Tuller?
16:37.44cncfanatics<PROTECTED>
16:37.50cncfanaticsa healer in our guild that doesn't know what the five second rule is >.>
16:39.05theorbtwocncfanatics: How long a piece of food can be on the countertop, etc, before becomming unedible?
16:40.19cncfanaticstheorbtwo: assuming you have a cat, until it notices it
16:40.33theorbtwoHeh.
16:40.36theorbtwoOK.
16:40.48theorbtwoJust wondering if there was some sort of WoW healing five second rule.
16:41.10cncfanaticsthe five second rule is what rules over your regeneration from spirit & int
16:41.28cncfanaticsif you are "in" the five second rule (meaning you casted something in the last five seconds) your regen is reduced
16:41.31cncfanaticsto nothing
16:41.37theorbtwoAh, I see.
16:41.46theorbtwoThat makes sense.
16:41.58cncfanaticshealers have talents that make them get regen in the five second rule though (meditation for example for priests)
16:42.00theorbtwo(Since mana regen only happens once every 5 seconds.)
16:42.07cncfanaticsmana regen is every second :p
16:42.14theorbtwoBlink.
16:42.19theorbtwoCould have sworn.
16:42.35theorbtwoWhy is regeneration measured in points per five seconds, then?
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16:43.05Etanolbecause they haven't bothered to change it yet
16:43.19theorbtwoHm, OK.
16:43.21Etanolfive second rule does not affect mp5 regeneration
16:43.35Etanolit only affects spirit mana generation
16:44.01Etanolout of 5s rule = full regeneration (spirit mp5 + gear mp5)
16:44.15Etanolinside 5s rule = only mp5 from gear
16:44.21Etanolnow im not counting in talents
16:44.35theorbtwoI think I've got it.
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16:49.27soufronhello
16:57.52Etanolhai
16:58.58batrickhttp://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/11/polar.bear.attack/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
16:59.11batrickNatural selection \o/ sadly failed :(
17:01.58Tuller!bop&bop|!bop&bop|t:weapon|q:epic
17:02.03Tullerstupid searches are fun, hurray
17:03.14Etanolhahaha
17:03.34Etanolif that was in america, the woman would have sued the zoo on top of that :)
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17:30.49Etanol--
17:31.01EtanolAnybody got an API highlight config for Notepad++ ?
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17:36.42DewinEtanol: Is the lua scheme not enough?
17:38.15Dewinthough I suppose having the API functions considered as keywords would be kind of useful
17:42.04Etanoly
17:42.05Etanoles
17:42.31Gnarfozthat should be out there indeed
17:42.39Gnarfozjust wait until someone who uses that reads that
17:42.40Gnarfoz:P
17:42.46Fisker-slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout
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17:43.35Etanolbows before tekkub.
17:43.51tekkubeh?
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17:44.39Fisker-kneels before tekkub
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17:45.01Fisker-my liege
17:45.05Fisker-or however it's spelled
17:45.08tekkubstop calling me that
17:45.37Fisker-:(
17:45.47Gnarfoz(was spelled correctly)
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17:48.10sacarascAwww, Fisker- has a crush on tekkub.
17:48.58tekkubnah he's doing something bad and trying to hide it
17:50.48Fisker-wat?
17:51.27Shadowedhaha
17:52.20Fisker-haste my friend
17:52.24Fisker-more than ever i need you
17:58.44Tullerbah, I broke my parser
17:59.16Fisker-~kiss Fisker-
17:59.17purlACTION forces Fisker- to give kd3 a big kiss on the hand
17:59.21Fisker->:3
18:06.49Etanol~whalepunt Fisker-
18:06.49purlACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts Fisker- across the Pacific
18:10.04tekkubnot safe for people that actually believe in Great Zombie Jesus day: http://cocknbull.net/2009/04/12/offensive-easter-egg/
18:11.17nevcairielhaha
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18:16.21Tullernevcairiel: search upgraded in combuctor
18:16.33nevcairielupgraded?
18:16.41Tullernevcairiel: boe|q:uncommon?
18:16.57Tuller!pants
18:17.03nevcairielthat sounds nice
18:17.08Tuller!pants&dance
18:17.12nevcairiel(can has searching for gbank?)
18:17.19Tullerscrew that
18:17.35Tullerthough its a really basic class thingy
18:18.18Tuller(aka, going to stick in ludwig and see what happens)
18:20.07nevcairielq:common matches uncommon too
18:20.10nevcairiel^
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18:21.47nevcairielhm but its nice
18:21.54nevcairielalso, i hate you for merging the 3.1 branch before 3.1 hits
18:21.58nevcairielmy OmniCC Puls crys!
18:22.07nevcairielPulse*
18:22.07Tuller3.1 only'd :P
18:22.21Tullernevcairiel: q:0; q:1 :P
18:22.36nevcairielah.
18:22.52Tullerpulse/shine use the new animation thingy
18:22.59Tullerhence the blowup there
18:23.18nevcairielYeah i figured from the error message i got
18:23.29nevcairielI still work on the assumption that 3.1 hits this week
18:23.31nevcairielso i'm good
18:33.54Tullerhrm yes, ludwig + search == slow ludwig
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18:34.56nevcairielhehe i figured it would be, with a lot items in there
18:35.09nevcairielmatchign through the attributes of 20k items
18:35.34Tulleractually its not
18:35.44Tullerthe print statements in the chat frame were the bottleneck :P
18:35.49nevcairielhah
18:36.21Tulleronly tooltip parsing searches are slow, it seems
18:36.39Cairennpokes everyone and reminds them to get their 3.1 compatible addons uploaded to the various sites they support before 3.1 this week
18:37.24*** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Upload your 3.1 compatible mods
18:37.45AezayHaven't even bothered getting on the PTR to fix things, I'll just wait until the patch hit. Don't think many of my addons will be affected anyway
18:39.56CairennJust reminding everyone, since I'm busy getting stuff ready on WoWI
18:39.57nevcairielhm tuller i keep doing the pattern wrong because i think the other way around as you implemented them <.<
18:40.30Cairennour "works with" tag has been reset for 3.1, so if you've got a compat version, you can get it up and flagged
18:40.43Shadoweddoes that mean 3.1 is Tuesday!
18:40.48Cairennlast I heard
18:40.52Tuller|intersect &union.  I keep on debating if it's the right way around :P
18:40.58nevcairielyeah
18:41.01Shadowedis this the Cairenn super secret sources
18:41.04Aezaywhat is the new TOC version?
18:41.08Shadowed30100
18:41.11CairennShadowed: always
18:41.17nevcairielLike, i wanted all items that are not bound at all
18:41.24nevcairielso i typed !bop&!boe
18:41.32nevcairielbut thats the wrong way
18:41.45nevcairiel:)
18:41.58Tullerif I ever write the full parser
18:42.05Tullerit'll be !(bop&boe)
18:42.48Cairennso, nevcairiel - who's miles?  You guys change your names around so many times between one site and another and the game and IRC and ... lol
18:42.58nevcairielmiles?
18:43.04Cairennyar
18:43.08nevcairielnever heard of
18:43.13Cairennowner of ag_UnitFrames on WoWI :p
18:43.22nevcairielhuh
18:43.24AezayHow can you even add such a fulter in Ludwig, is there a new way to deterct BoP/BoE items, because now you are forced to scan the tooltips
18:43.25nevcairieloh
18:43.27nevcairieli remember
18:43.32Cairennhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5468-ag_UnitFrames.html
18:43.34nevcairielag allowed him to update it for 3.0
18:43.35nevcairieli think
18:43.46Cairennshould I change it to you?
18:43.55nevcairielman thats an old version
18:44.00nevcairielis that the only agUF project?
18:44.11Cairennon wowi, yup
18:44.34TullerAezay: um, well, i'm doing tooltip parsing for those filters
18:44.51nevcairielsure change it to me, i can upload a working version for 3.1
18:44.51Aezaywont scanning all those tooltips make you dc?
18:45.07nevcairielpoor ag has been so inactive
18:45.19nevcairiel~seen ag`
18:45.21purlag` <n=Andreas@90.185.136.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 39d 24m 42s ago, saying: 'thanks'.
18:45.31TullerAezay: ludwig only works on items already in your cache
18:46.07Cairennnevcairiel: ownership you now
18:46.24AezayTuller, ah yeah, of course
18:46.48nevcairiel(and i don't even use agUF anymore, ha)
18:48.58AezayStill using agUF here, but that is mostly because it hasn't broken for me, and I am way too lazy to get something new, which is being updated
18:49.09Tullernevcairiel: turns out the search thingy is semi broken :P
18:50.05nevcairielI build myself a oUF layout some time ago
18:50.14nevcairielbecause agUF lacked some customization options
18:51.00Stanzilla<3 pitbull4
18:51.35Aezaywas thinking about making a custom oUF myself too
18:52.34nevcairielusing your own oUF layout requires a certain degree of OCD, but other then that, its awesome
18:52.35nevcairielheh
18:53.24Aezaywhat's wrong with making your own, not that many layouts actually comes with "proper" options, so it would just be easier to make your own
18:54.10nevcairielNothing is wrong with it, just saying you need that special dedication to follow through with it
18:56.11AezayGuess I have a slight degree of OCD XD
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19:05.11NightHawkTheSaneI think a lot of people in here do. :P
19:05.51Jamash"I don't have OCD", he said, polishing his glasses on his Loremaster tabard.
19:05.58Jamash>.>
19:08.18Fisker-yey
19:08.21Fisker-glory of the exploiter
19:08.27Cairennyou guys keep screwing it up, it's supposed to be CDO, you know, in alphabetical order
19:08.57NightHawkTheSanewell, i'm not actually ocd, so. ;)
19:10.07EtanolI got a question that is vital for my survival!!!!
19:10.15Cairennno
19:10.27airtonixlulz
19:10.29Etanolyou usually put one scoop coffee per cup of water right?
19:10.41Cairenndepends
19:11.07Etanolbrb, need to check the coffee maker
19:11.10Etanolim guessing wild
19:11.13Etanolthis will be interesting
19:12.00NightHawkTheSane1 tbsp per 8 oz water is a good general guideline, I believe. but making coffee is an art, not a science, so whatever you like is good.
19:13.11airtonix1cup of coffee per 1cup of water
19:13.23airtonix=)
19:13.24Etanolhahah
19:14.35Cairennare you talking about instant coffee, ground regular beans, ground espresso beans, how strong to you like it, are you making regular coffee, espresso, cappuccino ...
19:14.43Cairenns/to/do/
19:15.08Cairennas I said, depends ;)
19:15.27kd3looks for his barista hat
19:16.00Cairennhehehe
19:17.00Tullernevcairiel: I switched the operators :P
19:17.37Coren{de}there's no way to mark an AddOn in the TOC as 3.0 and as 3.1, is it? live claims that 30100 is outdated 8)
19:19.00NightHawkTheSaneno
19:19.36NightHawkTheSanea toc indicates strictly one interface version. You can pull the "current" interface version from the game and switch on that if you need to.
19:19.44Fisker-so NeoTron
19:19.49Fisker-i has glory of the exploiter
19:20.02ZorbaTHutit would be quite nice if they'd allow us multiple versions in the .toc
19:21.45Tulleryet for some reason q:epic&q:0 seems like it should be a union
19:22.07Coren{de}are you saying that an AddOn can "dynamically" rewrite its own interface version?
19:22.37Tullerno
19:22.57Tulleryou can use GetBuildInfo() to run version specific code, though
19:23.02NightHawkTheSaneno, i'm saying you can retrieve the current interface version and compare it to fixed values you specify to do different things
19:24.23nevcairielTuller: yeah i'm not really sure which form is better .. so many mixed feelings!
19:24.38nevcairielEither you think of the single items, where q:epic&q:0 doesnt make sense
19:24.45nevcairielbut if you think about the whole set of items
19:24.47nevcairielit does again
19:24.47nevcairiel<.<
19:24.54Coren{de}well, I do use GetBuildInfo already to do calls to GetNumTalentGroup only on 3.1+ ... but that doesn't help against Blizzard again unticking the "load outdated AddOns" checkbox :(
19:25.06Tullerq:epic,q:0 it is?
19:25.29nevcairielwould that be union or intersect now?
19:25.59TullerI actually don't remember :P
19:26.04nevcairiellol
19:26.59nevcairielIf you want every item matching all conditions in the setbox, you should have to use &
19:27.09nevcairiel*searchbox
19:27.21nevcairielthat would be intersect, i guess
19:27.51Tulleryep
19:28.00TullerI just remember it always being the reverse of what I thought it should be :P
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19:29.35Tullerlua> true or false and true
19:29.36lua_botTuller: true
19:29.47Tullerlua> true or false and false
19:29.48lua_botTuller: true
19:30.51Tullerq:1|q:poop&q:1 -> q:1 so hurray
19:31.59Coren{de}and > or, in any language... the more exclusive, the higher the priority :)
19:32.49DWSRAnyone got the standardized IRC time?
19:32.51Tulleractually in mine, its reversed :P
19:33.02DWSRs/\?/ link\?/
19:33.30Coren{de}21:33 CEST, so... 19:33 UTC
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19:33.54DWSRCoren{de}: No, I'm referring to the link that talks about how it is always morning when the user enters, and evening when they leave.
19:33.59DWSRRegardless of real world time.
19:34.00nevcairiel~utc
19:34.01purlextra, extra, read all about it, utc is Coordinated Universal Time (Temps Universel Coordonne), and is generally equivalent to GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). Time zones around the world are expressed as positive or negative offsets from UTC.
19:34.07nevcairieler
19:34.08nevcairiel~ugt
19:34.09purlfrom memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
19:34.09nevcairielthats it
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19:34.32Cairennokay, who had that link to a bunch of people "spontaneously" breaking into dance in a train station?
19:35.04Fisker-~uft
19:35.05purlUniversal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time.
19:35.09DWSRCairenn: You live in the BC, yeah?
19:35.11Coren{de}DWSR, seems hard to standardize when every member of a channel has their own point of reference 8)
19:35.20DWSRCoren{de}: ~ugt, kthx.
19:35.22CairennDWSR: "the BC" ?
19:35.29DWSRCairenn: The British Columbia.
19:35.35DWSRIt makes sense, grammatically, at any rate.
19:35.45Cairennwhat's with sticking "The" in from of it?
19:35.51DWSRShitz n gigz.
19:35.54Cairennand to answer your question, no, I don't
19:36.38DWSRhmph, ok. Who was it in here that did (that's a regular)?
19:36.52CairennEsamynn
19:42.05Coren{de}are there any hints if the patch hits this week or next besides the "before noblegarden" limit?
19:42.20Etanolthis wednesday
19:42.31Etanoli'm pretty sure
19:42.41NightHawkTheSanetechnically, "before noblegarden" isn't much of a hint, as they could just push it back further
19:43.00nevcairielthere have been some circumstancial evidence that its this week
19:43.19nevcairielThey said Season 5 will end with the patch
19:43.26nevcairielAnd they said Season 5 will end on the 14th
19:43.28NightHawkTheSane"has", "circumstantial"
19:44.02nevcairielOf course thats not set in stone either
19:44.20nevcairielBut it tells us that they at least planned for this week at some point
19:44.36Coren{de}sounds well enough to me :) I hope the talent scan fix carries over... (can't scan cross-language on live)
19:44.38Etanolpewpew
19:44.50Etanolthey should play ducktales instead of the loading screen
19:44.57kd3lmao
19:45.03Etanolbut then people would login and logout like mad
19:45.11nevcairiellol
19:45.12Etanolmaybe have a cooldown on login then
19:45.20Etanolso people dont abuse the ducktales
19:45.24nevcairieltoo bad we cant modify gluexml
19:45.27nevcairieli would mod that
19:45.40Etanol:D
19:45.42Coren{de}chip&chap > ducktales
19:45.57Etanolalso, it should remember where you are in the movie, so that you continue when you login next time
19:46.01Etanolor maybe just play at random
19:46.10Etanolthe possibilities are endless!
19:46.12Etanolor, would be
19:46.28TullerI wish we could mod the character select/addon's menu there
19:46.47Etanolis it possible to play any kind of animation in wow? (animated gif/avi/flv)
19:46.52Coren{de}I wished they'd implement AddOn sets to load/save
19:47.04kd3eta; look up the mod "HighRoller"
19:47.08EtanolCoren{de}: use ACP, it has that functionality
19:47.18DWSRCoren{de}: ACP
19:47.53EtanolI have 2 sets, the first is low memory for 25man raids. the other one has everything enabled, 140 mb memory :/
19:48.31EtanolQH and Auc-Scandata are big memory thieves
19:48.57Coren{de}ACP: no matches found on WoW-I...
19:49.06kd3'addon control panel'
19:50.12kd3http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/acp.aspx
19:51.38DWSREtanol: roflies. Mine's almost 100mb more than that.
19:54.22nevcairielI use 28 mb, and i think thats alot already
19:54.22nevcairiel;)
19:54.22Fisker-~kiss Fisker-
19:54.22purlACTION forces Fisker- to give Matrix110 a big kiss on the forehead
19:54.48DWSREtanol: How little memory are you rocking out if you need a low mem UI for raids?
19:55.33Moleculor... I think 28MB is what I use for 2/3rds of one of my 160+ addons.
19:56.56nevcairielMy WoW uses around 1 GB, i would feel kinda silly if 20% of that were addons o.o
19:57.11nevcairielno matter how much i have :)
19:57.12MoleculorWhy silly?
19:57.27MoleculorMemory is meant to be used.
19:57.40DWSRnevcairiel: I has 4GB, WoW uses 1.8GB.
19:57.47DWSRPreloading hi res textures > UI usage.
19:57.50ZorbaTHutI figure, as long as I'm spending less in UI mods than I am in Firefox, I'm good
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19:58.04ZorbaTHutdwsr, running real close to the 2gb barrier there. I wonder if WoW avoids that one or not
19:58.18nevcairielIt probably does
19:58.19MoleculorIf I'm not spending as much memory as I can, I'm not being the best I can be.
19:58.31nevcairielthats a weird logic
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19:58.42nevcairielmore addons make you better?
19:58.42ZorbaTHuta surprising number of games don't. Supreme Commander would regularly crash in large AI games thanks to that barrier, I don't know if the WoW coders have worried about it
19:59.04MoleculorMore addons give me more information to work with.
19:59.08MoleculorMore information makes me better.
19:59.08DWSR^
19:59.24nevcairielI doubt that, but ok :P
19:59.25DWSRZorbaTHut: What 2GB barrier?
19:59.37DWSRnevcairiel: If I didn't have Omen, I'd be fucked.
19:59.51nevcairielOmen uses virtually no memory
19:59.56nevcairiel< 1 MB
20:00.26nevcairielI have loads of information in my 28mb, btw :P
20:00.38DWSRnevcairiel: I have a lot more in my ~200mb.
20:00.40ZorbaTHutdwsr, as a result of some early decisions made in 32-bit systems, many old 32-bit programs could - and did - rely on the high bit of all addresses being 0, effectively limiting the address space to 2gb
20:01.06ZorbaTHutthat's lifted in later OSes (the limit's up to 3gb, the top gigabyte is reserved for the OS) but in the case of Windows it requires a flag set in the executable to permit use of the extra space
20:01.08DWSRZorbaTHut: ok....and.....? (I'm running 64 bit).
20:01.11ZorbaTHutwithout that flag, it only allows 2gb
20:01.20ZorbaTHutsince WoW is built as a 32-bit program, it's subject to the same 32-bit restrictions.
20:01.26kd3wow's only a 32-bit program
20:01.26DWSRah, mkay.
20:01.32nevcairielDWSR: compressed, essential information is better then more informations =P
20:01.41DWSRnevcairiel: No, more information is better.
20:01.52DWSRnevcairiel: The presentation of the information is what's key, and it's what I spend my memory on.
20:02.03nevcairielPresentation uses memory?
20:02.04DWSRI want the information displayed exactly where and how it will be most useful to me,.
20:02.20DWSRnevcairiel: You ever used the realtime graphs in recount?
20:02.28ZorbaTHutnev, sometimes to get the exact presentation you want, you have to install UI mods that do more than would be strictly necessary.
20:02.33nevcairielNo, i think its useless information
20:02.38DWSRTo you
20:02.44Coren{de}I'd expect most programs that do something with pointers in arrays to randomly fail the 2GB border... even current ones
20:02.46ZorbaTHutI've got no less than four separate UI mods that track my buffs, for example.
20:02.47nevcairielZorbaTHut: I'm a coder, i don't :)
20:02.47DWSRIt lets me find dropoffs in my DPS and work my rotation.
20:03.08ZorbaTHutno, wait, five
20:03.14DWSRZorbaTHut: I only use EBB.
20:03.15TeomyrI remember WoW crashing around ~2GB memory usage back in WotLK beta when there was a memory leak, so there might very well be a barrier
20:03.18ZorbaTHut(I largely ignore two of them :P)
20:03.27DWSRZorbaTHut: What others do you use?
20:03.33ZorbaTHutdwsr, I use EBB to actually see my buff list. It shows up in Pitbull as well for consistency's sake
20:03.34nevcairielIf i'm lacking some information and i can't find an mod that does exactly what i need, i write my own solution
20:03.42ZorbaTHutMetahud also is capable of showing buffs, though I have it disabled
20:04.02ZorbaTHutI use Tellmewhen to track certain very-important buffs and put them in the center of my screen, and Eventhorizon on some classes to give me a better graphical display of when stuff is about to wear off
20:04.18DWSRZorbaTHut: Ah, I'll take a look at Eventhorizon.
20:04.19ZorbaTHut(sometimes I just care about whether it's up, sometimes I want a running display of when it's going to fall off)
20:04.31ZorbaTHutEventhorizon is gold, it's one of the most fascinating things I've discovered lately
20:04.34DWSRDoes TMW announce to SCT? I like everything to just announce to there.
20:04.50ZorbaTHutthe only downside is that there's no config window, you have to know lua to modify it (luckily I do :P)
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20:05.30EtanolDWSR: I have 2gb RAM atm, still get fps drops in raids with high addon memory
20:05.39Etanoltake into consideration that addons use CPU cycles too
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20:06.10MoleculorI don't need no stinkin' CPU. I do all my maths on PAPER.
20:06.13Etanoland many addons fragment the memory, i've heard
20:06.56DWSREtanol: The FPS drop is from CPU cycles, not addon mem usage.
20:07.11ZorbaTHutmemory fragmentation is a boogeyman. it's really not a noticable issue in the vast majority of cases.
20:07.14DWSRHigh mem usage (both physical or RAM) does not directly cause system slowdown.
20:07.18Etanolhow do I monitor addon cpu usage?
20:07.31nevcairieldepending on the type of mem usage, it can as well influence the cpu usage
20:07.32DWSREtanol: Enable CPU profiling and get something like Titan_Performance?
20:07.40ZorbaTHutughhh don't enable CPU profiling
20:07.46kd3cowers in fear
20:07.48ZorbaTHutif you want a way to instantly kill WoW's framerate, go for it
20:07.51EtanolI have some kind of fubar addon with cpu profiling, but I have it turned off
20:07.51ZorbaTHutotherwise stay far far away
20:07.56kd3I did that on accident once in the middle of SSC
20:07.59Etanolwhat's wrong with cpu profiling?
20:08.05kd360fps -> 3
20:08.08ZorbaTHutetanol, it burns a huge amount of CPU to track CPU usage
20:08.24ZorbaTHutit's significant added overhead on every single function call
20:08.24nevcairielHeh i can see how it has that big impact in a raid kd3
20:08.30Etanolso it's good when I'm checking which addons uses much memory?
20:08.41ZorbaTHutno, it does nothing to improve memory usage readouts
20:09.00ZorbaTHutit *might* be useful to determine CPU usage but I think there's better ways to determine that as well
20:09.01Etanolnooo, but I can use it on occasion to check CPU usage?
20:09.06Etanollike?
20:09.22ZorbaTHutI seem to recall seeing some mod that would hook all frames, record who owned them, and count up CPU usage that way
20:09.23kd3it does great at figuring out that some 'mandatory' mods are polling for no good reason in the middle of shattrath
20:09.26kd3hi2u ktm
20:09.27Coren{de}if it's static use, it's not so bad, the interesting thing is how much "garbage" the AddOn produces
20:09.29tem|afkDear End User,
20:09.34nevcairielhaha that was great kd3
20:09.38tem|afkDO NOT TRY THIS
20:09.43ZorbaTHutanother problem is that merely turning cpu profiling on will bias CPU usage significantly
20:09.44tem|afkLove,
20:09.45tem|afkTem
20:09.56ZorbaTHutI've managed to get 3x inaccuracies out of it, and I wouldn't be surprised if I could get more
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20:10.31EtanolIt's hard to filter out "unessecary" addons :P
20:10.34Etanol"I might need this"
20:10.40Etanol"This is good sometimes"
20:10.46Etanol"This is wicked"
20:12.16Etanollua> goto x;
20:12.17lua_botEtanol: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'x'
20:12.18EtanolBAM
20:12.21Etanolthe luabot exploded
20:12.55kd3wtfs
20:13.01kd3http://www.flickr.com/photos/heidiheidiheidi/736886539/sizes/o/
20:13.12DWSRlua> print 1;
20:13.12lua_botDWSR: luabot:1: '=' expected near '1'
20:13.25nevcairielthats ... weird
20:13.28Coren{de}lua> print(1);
20:13.29lua_botCoren{de}: 1
20:13.39DWSRah.
20:13.46DWSRHaven't learned much Lua.
20:14.00MoleculorKODAMA.
20:14.05DWSRlua> print(My dog has no nose.);
20:14.06lua_botDWSR: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'dog'
20:14.18Coren{de}lua> print("I am a string.");
20:14.19lua_botCoren{de}: I am a string.
20:14.21DWSRRight.
20:14.25MoleculorI'm confused. Why are there semicolons in those lines?
20:14.30DWSRMoleculor: Line terminators.
20:14.36nevcairiel~pil
20:14.36purlProgramming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.
20:14.38DWSRFor those of us who program in languages that use them.
20:14.41nevcairielgo read :P
20:14.48kd3force of habit for people using languages other than lua?
20:14.58DWSR~lart nevcairiel
20:14.58purlblasts nevcairiel with a huge firehose then strangles nevcairiel with it
20:15.00MoleculorRight, but I don't see them in most lua examples. I kept using them because I was used to them in C++, but they're not in my book.
20:15.14DWSRMoleculor: They're strictly optional.
20:15.16kd3you don't have to use them. lua is smart enough to figure it out
20:15.21MoleculorOhh. Optional. K.
20:15.25nevcairielI somehow manage to surpress the line terminators in Lua, even though i code alot in java otherwise
20:15.30Coren{de}I'm burnt with the semicolon, when once I had an unexpected result with an if statement, since then I throw as much ; as possible around :>
20:15.41DWSRIt can't hurt.
20:15.59DWSRcan you put multiple statements on 1 line in Lua if you use ; though?
20:16.05DWSRAlways liked that about Perl, Java, etc.
20:16.10nevcairielYou can without using ; too
20:16.17DWSRnevcairiel: &&?
20:16.20Etanollua is just weird
20:16.26DWSRLua's odd, truly.
20:16.34nevcairiellua> print(1) print(2) print(3)
20:16.35lua_botnevcairiel: 1, 2, 3
20:16.41Etanollua> for k in pairs(os) do print(k) end
20:16.41lua_botEtanol: difftime, time, setlocale, clock, date
20:16.42Coren{de}most languages allow to use space instead of newline to separate commands
20:17.03DWSRlua> i = 1 k = 2 print(i) print(k)
20:17.04lua_botDWSR: 1, 2
20:17.09ZorbaTHutlua> a = 1 b = 2 c = 3 d = 4 e = a + b f = c + d g = e + f print(g)
20:17.10lua_botZorbaTHut: 10
20:17.10DWSRluabot fails.
20:17.15nevcairielYou can write a whole addon on one line, without using a ;
20:17.20DWSRI asked for 1 2, not 1, 2.
20:17.24ZorbaTHut(Not an example of good code, note :) )
20:17.39Etanolnevcairiel: that's illegal now ;)
20:17.52DWSREtanol: Not if it's a WORN addon.
20:17.58EtanolWORN?
20:18.12Coren{de}there's nothing illegal there, just enable word-wrap in your editor :p
20:18.39Etanolthen define obfuscating  :P
20:18.40DWSREtanol: Not if it's a WORN addon
20:18.43DWSRwhoops.
20:18.48Etanolwhat's a WORN addon?
20:18.48DWSREtanol: Write Once Read Never
20:19.00DWSRa one off.
20:19.05NightHawkTheSanewhat, you mean like perl?
20:19.20Coren{de}obfuscating is something completely different :)
20:19.30kd3obfuscating != illegible code
20:19.40Etanolmy defenition of obfuscating code is to make it hard to read
20:20.14kd3that's just poor design. obfuscation in the sense that Legal was trying to kill off would be the old versions of Carbonite
20:20.36Thunder_Childperl isnt bad NightHawkTheSane
20:20.36ZorbaTHutI am waiting to see if Blizzard objects to my compressed databases
20:20.38ScytheBlade1speaking of
20:20.38Etanolhm
20:20.46ScytheBlade1Now that carbonite is "fully compliant"
20:20.51ScytheBlade1Anyone taken a look at their code?
20:20.55ZorbaTHutI mean, they're certainly not readable, and I could have anything in there. but they're also not intentionally obfuscated, they're just compressed.
20:20.58Coren{de}obfuscating = hard to understand by using borderline language features to make the code look like it's doing something totally different (or nothing or nonsense)
20:20.59Etanolif I replace all function names with differend amounts of _ and -, isnt that obfuscating?
20:21.00nevcairielZorbaTHut: does it contain any code/logic or just data?
20:21.16Aezaywhat about the function calls using no brackets, like CreateFrame"Frame", that is even more weird
20:21.22ZorbaTHutnev, I decompress strings and then use loadstring() to read them in. It's all just data, but I certainly *could* have code/logic embedded in them if I wanted to.
20:21.56NightHawkTheSaneScytheBlade1: carbonite is 'fully compliant' now? they're offering the "full" version for free?
20:22.06nevcairielthey do
20:22.10ScytheBlade1NightHawkTheSane: yes
20:22.15Coren{de}local true = false; if (value == true) then print("Value... uh... not set?") end
20:22.16NightHawkTheSaneinteresting.
20:22.45Etanolis it possible to write a python parser in lua that works inside wow? :D
20:22.46nevcairiellua> local true = false
20:22.46lua_botnevcairiel: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'true'
20:22.52nevcairielCoren{de}: ^
20:22.58ScytheBlade1Etanol: probably
20:23.01ZorbaTHutetanol, in theory, absolutely
20:23.05ZorbaTHutit would probably be rather slow.
20:23.07Etanolthat WOULD be awesome
20:23.16Etanolimagine that as a framework, instead of ACE or similar
20:23.19ZorbaTHutI mean if you wanted to, you could *theoretically* write an NES emulator in Lua.
20:23.30ZorbaTHut(Now *that* would be awesome.)
20:23.33Etanolimport comm, import frames
20:23.35kd3that'd be pretty freakin' sweet
20:23.45ScytheBlade1lol
20:23.50ScytheBlade1load a ROM into a lua string
20:23.52NightHawkTheSanewould you actually be able to read roms though?
20:23.55ZorbaTHutman, I wonder how hard it would be to actually write an NES emulator. I'm sort of enjoying that crazy idea
20:24.02Etanolhaha :D
20:24.02ZorbaTHutnighthawk, you'd need to do some preprocessing step to roms
20:24.03Coren{de}lua> local DoFancyStuff = FormatHardDrive; if (Ask("Want to do fancy stuff?")) then DoFancyStuff() end
20:24.04lua_botCoren{de}: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'Ask' (a nil value)
20:24.11Etanolsuper smash bros MULTIPLAYER with your guild
20:24.13ZorbaTHutembed them into a lua string in a .lua file
20:24.38ZorbaTHutrendering would also be horrifying, I'm pretty sure WoW doesn't let you make textures at runtime
20:24.48ZorbaTHutso you'd have to draw it pixel-by-pixel with square frames
20:24.52EtanolI have seen a few 3d games at curse
20:24.53Etanolwait
20:25.11Etanol(it supported sprites)
20:25.25ZorbaTHutetanol, you can support sprites as long as the set of sprites is known at load-time
20:25.36ZorbaTHutin the case of an emulator, you wouldn't know what sprites existed until you started running the game
20:25.47nevcairielSomeone wrote a Mode7 renderer for WoW
20:25.57kd3!
20:26.01Etanolhttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/labyrinth-3d-maze-game.aspx
20:26.02kd3starts looking
20:26.08kmcguireOh, 3631.
20:26.14kmcguireA bubble pocket.
20:26.36nevcairielits only on the old wowace svn, i think http://oldsvn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Mode7/ http://oldsvn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Mode7Test/
20:27.15Etanolwhy are awesome mods like that discontinued? :P
20:27.26ScytheBlade1errort in updating them
20:27.29ScytheBlade1*effort
20:27.32EtanolApart from being 290328 lines long and hellish to update
20:27.57Thunder_Childthis may be a little old since i just got back into town but can anyone thing of a pve niftyness that this would help with? "New Talent: Body and Soul: 2-point talent. When you cast Power Word: Shield, you increase the target's movement speed by 30/60% for 4 seconds"
20:28.07Thunder_Childs/thing/think/
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20:28.50Etanolhow do you use purl for that?
20:28.56Etanoldo you replace ALL or the first occurence?
20:29.01Thunder_Childfirst
20:29.02kd3first
20:29.12kd3look up 'sed'
20:29.18Etanol?
20:29.27kd3that's the command tc used, there
20:29.29nevcairielyou can use s/foo/bar/g though
20:29.33nevcairielit'll replace all
20:29.34Thunder_Child~man sed
20:29.35purlNo manual entry for sed
20:29.40kd3~dict sed
20:29.40Thunder_Childbah
20:29.45nevcairiels/a/aa/g
20:29.46Coren{de}TC, assume second healer draw aggro and you shield him, he can then run away instead of getting smashed to pulp? =)
20:30.03theorbtwoActually, look up s/PATTERN/REPLACEMENT/ in perlop.
20:30.31theorbtwoThat's not sed syntax; sed doesn't require you to terminate, because it doesn't support modifiers.
20:30.35Thunder_ChildCoren{de}, if agro was drawn would you really need to run?
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20:31.22ZorbaTHuthelp the tank reposition things?
20:31.26Etanolhelloo
20:31.37Etanols/o/lol/2
20:31.43Etanol:/
20:31.46Etanoldidnt work
20:31.47Coren{de}TC, in a fight with aggro reset, I'd think running is not the worst idea...
20:31.51theorbtwoEtanol: heloo
20:31.52nevcairielthe 2 is wrong =P
20:31.54theorbtwos/o/lol/g
20:32.16EtanolI only intend to replace the 2nd o
20:32.16nevcairielalso, thats actually sed syntax
20:32.26theorbtwos/o$/lol/
20:32.54Etanolaha
20:32.54Etanolwait
20:32.56Etanolhelloo
20:33.03Etanols/o/lol/\2/
20:33.11Etanoldamnation
20:33.22Thunder_Childpurl isnt a direct link to perl
20:33.52Shiriktheorbtwo, that's definitely sed syntax
20:33.54theorbtwoEtanol: That's not perl either.
20:34.29Etanolperl? I thought you said sed
20:34.37theorbtwos/(not)/might $1 be/
20:35.25Etanolthen how do you specify which occurence? ^^
20:35.38theorbtwoEtanol: You match more specificly.
20:36.32Etanolhuh?
20:36.47NightHawkTheSaneKind of like this.
20:36.52NightHawkTheSanes/is/is../
20:36.52Coren{de}TC, not everyone goes with Blizzards only favorite tank class, so intervene might not be available... a healer could have to run *to* a non-warrior tank to get in taunt range
20:37.11NightHawkTheSanejust make sure that your pattern is unique in the string you're replacing
20:37.17Etanolaha
20:37.22Etanolhello
20:37.36Etanols/o/olol
20:37.46Etanolhello
20:37.47Etanols/o/olol/
20:37.58Etanolwhy does it have to be unique?
20:38.19NightHawkTheSaneit doesn't, but if it's not purl will just replace the first occurence
20:38.44theorbtwo(Unless you use the /g modifier to match all of them.)
20:38.52NightHawkTheSanewhich might not be what you want :P
20:39.22Coren{de}unless you mistype consistently... tihs tihs tihs tihs
20:39.26Coren{de}s/tihs/this/g
20:39.39NightHawkTheSaneyeah, but that really only applies to Thunder_Child
20:39.46Thunder_Child>.<
20:39.52Thunder_Childtrue however
20:39.58NightHawkTheSane;)
20:42.45Etanoltoo bad you can't use purl on others :P
20:44.47Thunder_Childit also goes my the name infobot or blootbot sometimes
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20:46.45theorbtwoI wouldn't call the purl on this channel an infobot; he doesn't learn and repeat bits of knowledge.
20:46.50theorbtwopurl: foo is bar.
20:46.51purlACTION foo! || <action> bar is bar. || <reply> foo is bar. bar || foo
20:47.00Thunder_Childyes is does
20:47.03theorbtwoThen again, perhaps it does.
20:47.33Etanolwhat?
20:47.42Thunder_Childs/is/it/
20:47.54Etanolwhat did purl just do?
20:48.27theorbtwoEtanol: Intrepted my statement as a question, and ansered it, poorly.
20:48.38Thunder_Childpurl, theorbtwo is <reply> be nice to me theorbtwo or i shall thwak you.
20:48.39purlThunder_Child: okay
20:48.44Thunder_Child~theorbtwo
20:48.45purlbe nice to me theorbtwo or i shall thwak you.
20:49.01*** part/#wowuidev theorbtwo (n=theorb@91.84.53.6)
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20:49.34theorbtwoOh, I assumed that was a specialized syntax for an on-join.
20:49.58Thunder_Childpurl, onjoin theorbtwo <reply>be nice to me theorbtwo or i shall thwak you.
20:49.58purlok, Thunder_Child
20:50.02Thunder_Childi think that will do it
20:50.09theorbtwo<PROTECTED>
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20:50.25Etanoldoes purl accept <emote> ?
20:50.25nevcairielthats going to be old soon
20:50.29Etanolor only <reply> ?
20:50.30theorbtwopurl: forget onjoin theorbtwo
20:50.30purli didn't have anything called 'onjoin theorbtwo' to forget, theorbtwo
20:50.34Thunder_Childlike you nevcairiel?
20:50.51nevcairielI'm not that old =(
20:51.04Etanolpurl, forget it all
20:51.04purlEtanol: i didn't have anything called 'it all' to forget
20:51.13Thunder_Childthat is an opnion nevcairiel
20:51.16Etanolpurl, remember the old times?
20:51.17purlHow can i forget about the old times ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world !
20:51.24Etanolhaha
20:51.35nevcairielpurl, onjoin -theorbtwo
20:51.35purlok, nevcairiel
20:51.42theorbtwoWhew.
20:51.53Etanolpurl, what's up?
20:51.54purlUp is the direction away from the central point of gravity.
20:52.00Shirikshutdown -t 5
20:52.04theorbtwoYou saved me from having to remember how to add exceptions to the lists of things to say aloud when they have my name in them.
20:52.16Etanolpurl, exec shutdown -s -f -t 0
20:52.24Thunder_Childthat was massive fail on shiriks part
20:52.30nevcairiellol
20:52.40Etanolhaha
20:52.55Etanolpurl, you still there?
20:53.11ScytheBlade1purl: ping
20:53.12purl~pong
20:53.19Etanolpurl, what's down?
20:53.19purl[down] hell, or the enemy's gate, or where you were last weekened
20:53.23Cairennpokes [Ammo]_to update oRA2 on WoWI
20:53.36Etanolpurl, poke Cairenn
20:53.37purlACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
20:53.41nevcairieloRA3 is pretty dead
20:53.42Cairennheh
20:53.43nevcairieler
20:53.43nevcairiel2
20:53.49Thunder_Childheh, someone reads enders game
20:53.59Cairennyeah, I know, that's why I'm poking him to update it :p
20:54.20nevcairielhe is working on oRA3, dont steal his time
20:54.26nevcairiel;)
20:54.40Cairennsteals everyone's time
20:54.46Cairennsteals their pants, too
20:54.52NightHawkTheSane...
20:54.55theorbtwopurl: oRA?
20:54.56purlPraise be the name of O'Reilly and may all come to know its excellence
20:54.56kd3!
20:54.58NightHawkTheSaneNOT MY TIME! I need that to do things!
20:55.07NightHawkTheSaneyou're welcome to my pants, though.
20:55.10Thunder_ChildCairenn, http://i.gizmodo.com/5208851/nasa-to-reveal-iss-node-name-on-colberts-show-this-tuesday
20:55.17Etanolpurl, give status report
20:55.18purlACTION gives report to status
20:55.18GnarfozShadowed: unithasvehicleui() means that change won't happen for, say, malygos hover discs?
20:55.19Cairennheh
20:55.26Shadowedyea Gnarfoz
20:55.36GnarfozShadowed: whee. :>
20:55.36Etanolpurl, <3
20:55.37purlit has been said that <3 is not >4, or not 3, or the emulation of a love symbol
20:55.43Shadowedit's the same code Blizzard uses to decide to swap to showing vehicle buffs
20:55.52Gnarfozthey do that? hm.
20:55.55Shadowedyea
20:55.58theorbtwopurl: ora is also http://www.wowwiki.com/ORa
20:55.59purltheorbtwo: okay
20:56.05Gnarfozwell, not using much of blizz's UI
20:56.06Gnarfoz:D
20:56.12Etanolõra
20:56.14Shadowedindeed, thats why I just found out about this 6 months later :p
20:56.15Etanol~ora
20:56.16purlPraise be the name of O'Reilly and may all come to know its excellence, or http://www.wowwiki.com/ORa
20:56.40Etanolawesome bot
20:56.47nevcairielman that oRA article is old
20:57.17theorbtwoSo fix it, dear liza, dear liza, dear liza?
20:58.27Etanollf1m tank for <x>, need tank (LAST SPOT!!)
20:58.35Etanollol
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21:01.12Thunder_Childhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5208172/never-gonna-give-you-up-songwriter-paid-only-16-by-youtube
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21:01.20NightHawkTheSanenot as amusing as "lf 2 tanks 2 healers naxx10, then gtg"
21:01.33Etanolhaha
21:01.40NightHawkTheSane(yes, i have actually seen taht)
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21:02.39nevcairielthat happens quite alot
21:02.47Coren{de}"lf tank, good group"... how do you know that if your tank is still missing? makes me chuckle every time :D
21:02.55NightHawkTheSanenevcairiel: sadly
21:03.13nevcairielI don't play DPS, so i'm fine ;)
21:03.32nevcairiel(but then, i don't PUG that often either)
21:03.39NightHawkTheSanei dont pug raids really
21:03.53zenzelezzEta/NHTS: nothing beats the "LF1M Maly[10/25] NEED KEY"
21:04.04kd3ah, memories of ubrs
21:04.09zenzelezzindeed
21:04.10nevcairielhah
21:04.14zenzelezzLF KEY FOR UBRS WILL PAY
21:04.15Etanol~noob
21:04.16nevcairielpeople paid me to open ubrs for them
21:04.22nevcairielit was hilarious
21:04.29NightHawkTheSanezenzelezz: better still "lf1m maly10, key preferred", preferred? like, you'd be okay if i didn't have it? :P
21:04.36zenzelezzNightHawkTheSane: lol
21:04.47zenzelezzNightHawkTheSane: sure, they'll hang around and have a party
21:04.52zenzelezzmaybe Malygos will grow tired and attack
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21:05.05NightHawkTheSane"i know!, we'll bore maly to death!"
21:05.16kd3meh, he's quite fond at just yelling at us
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21:05.35zenzelezzI was amused when we went to Malygos to see that people had in fact not learned from Mount Hyjal that you *don't talk to people/interact with objects* until your raid is ready
21:05.35kd3s/at/of/
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21:05.48NightHawkTheSanemaly has a lot of pent up rage.
21:05.56Thunder_Childthis shits going to get illigal soon enough i would imagine http://i.gizmodo.com/5207335/renntech-mercedes-c63-amg-specr-and-its-radar-jamming-system-get-a-test-drive
21:06.00NightHawkTheSanehe's really just pissed that alexstrasza turned him down.
21:06.21kd3tc; whoa
21:07.02ScytheBlade1do want
21:07.34NightHawkTheSanecan i just buy the mirror?
21:07.36NightHawkTheSane:P
21:07.40nevcairielradar jaming? isnt that illegal?
21:07.45nevcairielI'm pretty sure it would be here
21:08.44durcynvaries by jurisdiction
21:08.46ScytheBlade1it varies from state to state
21:08.47ShirikIt is in most US states, nevcairiel
21:09.01Shirikin other words, it's pretty much not marketable in the US
21:09.11ScytheBlade1Is here!
21:09.22Etanolpurl, US is Capital of McDonald's
21:09.23purl...but us is already something else...
21:09.31ScytheBlade1~us
21:09.32purl[us] United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun
21:09.32Etanolpurl, US is also Capital of McDonald's
21:09.33purlokay, Etanol
21:09.41Etanol~us
21:09.42purlsomebody said us was United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun.  Capital of McDonald's
21:09.48ShirikWrong, ScytheBlade1, even if it's legal in your state, it's still not marketable in your state
21:09.53ShirikSomething can be legal but not good for business
21:09.54nevcairielyou really shouldn't flood facts with stupid stuff like that :/
21:10.01ScytheBlade1er?
21:10.42ShirikIf someone buys a car in the US, most are going to want to be able to travel across states with it. Thus, not marketable.
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21:11.07ScytheBlade1It's legal to cross state lines with
21:11.16ScytheBlade1As long as the problematic device remains off when doing so
21:11.24theorbtwoShirik: I've certianly known plenty of people with radar detectors, which are, in some states, illegal to have in operation, and in some illegal to have in your car.
21:11.31nevcairielAnd who is going to check that? =P
21:11.41Shiriktheorbtwo: That's a little different
21:11.44ScytheBlade1Which is EXACTLY why it is marketable ;)
21:11.47ShirikI'm from VA and I have a radar detector
21:11.56ShirikAnd radar detectors are illegal in VA
21:11.59ShirikHowever, you're missing two things
21:12.06ShirikFirstly, radar detectors are removable
21:12.07theorbtwoIt's still marketable.  In only a few states do you have to actually remove it and put it in the trunk... if you want to be extra-safe.
21:12.12Thunder_Childin regards to cars....http://i.gizmodo.com/5207158/gallery-the-command-centers-of-tomorrows-cars
21:12.14ShirikSecondly, radar detectors are illegal in only 2 states in the US
21:12.19theorbtwoIf you don't travel to those states, often, then no problem.
21:12.27Shiriktheorbtwo: 2 states, and removable
21:12.34ShirikTwo things that this radar jammer does NOT have
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21:12.47theorbtwoAh, I didn't realize this was nonremoveable.
21:12.57ScytheBlade1Well
21:13.00ScytheBlade1It IS removeable
21:13.01NightHawkTheSaneits build in to the rear view mirror, as the article states
21:13.05ScytheBlade1But so are things like doors
21:13.07ScytheBlade1And engines
21:13.10ShirikScytheBlade1: ...
21:13.14ScytheBlade1(In that context)
21:13.15NightHawkTheSanehehe
21:13.15Thunder_Childholy crap the lincoln feels like the enterprise for some reason
21:13.36Etanolwhat is removeable?
21:14.18theorbtwoRear-view mirrors aren't actually that difficult to remove.
21:14.35Etanolhit it with a baseball bat?
21:14.40theorbtwoI actually had a car get so hot on the inside once that it simply fell off.
21:14.44NightHawkTheSanebut they are a pain in the ass to drive without
21:14.56theorbtwoBeyond that, however, you lift the tab and slide it off the mount.
21:15.15theorbtwoNightHawkTheSane: Yeah, well, you'd have to replace it.
21:15.36ScytheBlade1meh
21:15.46ScytheBlade1worth carrying around a "spare" rear-view mirror ;)
21:16.00theorbtwoIf you speed a lot?  Possibly...
21:16.17ScytheBlade1nah
21:16.21ScytheBlade1Just for showing off if nothing else
21:16.25ScytheBlade1If you can afford it
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21:17.47Etanolpie?
21:18.17Etanollua> if 1=1 then echo("1 seems to be 1") end
21:18.18lua_botEtanol: luabot:1: 'then' expected near '='
21:18.26Etanollua> if 1==1 then echo("1 seems to be 1") end
21:18.26lua_botEtanol: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'echo' (a nil value)
21:18.30Etanolhaha
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21:21.07theorbtwolua> if 1==1 then "1 seems to be 1" end
21:21.08lua_bottheorbtwo: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"1 seems to be 1"'
21:21.20theorbtwoOh, if is not an rvalue.
21:22.28nevcairielwe need more ~pil
21:22.47batrickWhat is not an rvalue?
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21:23.57theorbtwobatrick: an rvalue is something you can stick on the right hand side of an '=' operator.
21:24.06batrickI know what it is
21:24.12batrickyou said something is not an rvalue
21:24.15batrickwhat were you referring to
21:24.35batrickugh I can't read
21:24.37batricknvm
21:25.01nevcairielif and it are pretty similar, don't blame yourself
21:25.33batricki just got new glasses too :(
21:25.46nevcairielshouldn't it be better then?
21:26.00Etanol~us
21:26.01purli guess us is United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun.  Capital of McDonald's
21:26.04batrickyou would think
21:26.39Xinhuan~ym
21:26.40purlrumour has it, ym is you mean
21:26.51Etanolis there a command to view purls commands? ^^
21:26.59Etanolpurl, how do I use and abuse you?
21:27.36nevcairielpurl isnt exclusive to this channel, don't do useless changes to factoids and don't break him
21:27.41nevcairielor she leaves us :(
21:28.10nevcairielnow i need a third sentence to refer to purl as an it
21:28.26nevcairielpurl, what are you?
21:28.27purlI am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
21:28.32theorbtwonevcairiel is being a stick-in-the-mud, so I won't say "purl, how do I use and abuse you is harder, better, faster, stronger".
21:28.53theorbtwoStrange.  On several other channels I'm on, there is a bot named purl, who is most certianly not a blootbot.
21:28.59theorbtwoI wonder what their relation is.
21:29.19nevcairielIf its the same network, its the same bot
21:29.23nevcairielpurl, who are you?
21:29.25purlI think you lost me on that one, nevcairiel
21:29.32durcynblootbot's just an infobot fork
21:29.40theorbtwonevcairiel: It isn't.
21:31.42stdaroIs there any way for an addon to communicate with anything outside of the wow program?  like write to a file in a stable location or anything like that?
21:31.50nevcairielno
21:32.00nevcairielYou can only use SavedVariables
21:32.05Etanolwhich works fine
21:32.27stdarooh right, I'm trying to figure out what it would take to get mumble positional audio support
21:32.42nevcairielThe WoW team to code it in :)
21:32.46Etanolis there any lua interpreter in python that I can include in my programs? or is it faster to use regexp or similar to load the savedvars file?
21:33.22nevcairielhttp://labix.org/lunatic-python
21:33.27stdaroI can't imagine that happening, what with their own voip implementation built in
21:34.16stdarothey apparently had a hack to read fixed memory locations out of the running wow process, but that hardly seems supportable
21:34.27Etanolnevcairiel: thanks, perfect
21:34.27IrielIt's also likely considered a violation of the TOS
21:36.18stdaropossibly.  I wonder if encoding it as a few pixels somewhere on the screen would work, if windows lets you read back from the framebuffer, you wouldn't be messing with wow.exe, just the FB contents
21:36.37NeoTronthat's how fishing bots used to work
21:36.47NeoTronback when moonglade fishing was overly profitable
21:36.51IrielRegardless of how you do it, it violates the desires of Blizzard's developers
21:37.16EtanolStill I think it's better to just write a program that uploads the whole savedvars file instead of reading it first
21:37.38Etanolbut for local use, like making a graph ui out of a savedvars file, perfect
21:38.46batrickAnyone know how to force bash to see the prompt ($PS1) as a certain number of characters?
21:39.09batricke.g. when I write characters beyond a certain point it overflows prematurely onto the next line
21:39.17stdarothis got my hopes up http://www.wowwiki.com/Voice_over_Internet_Protocol#Positional_Audio but I guess it's not accurate
21:40.49kd3quickly hits delete for that section
21:42.21stdarois there an RFE process for wow?  do they listen?
21:42.34kd3the suggestions forum
21:42.41kd3yes, if it's something they agree with
21:44.16Gnarfozfor str.format()'s args... %1$s gives me the first string arg and so on. do these numbers apply to different types of args separately? or are they all numbered as one big line
21:44.34Gnarfozi.e. if I have a formatstring that takes a %s and a %d, and I want to turn those around without also turning around the args
21:44.57Gnarfozwould I simply do %d %s, or would I have to do %2$d %1$s
21:45.08Etanolkd3: did you actually delete that section?
21:45.14stdarodo they have an overall take on external voip?  I mean, everybody uses it right?
21:45.15Etanolwth
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21:45.34kd3eta; it's not true, nor is it possible
21:45.43IrielIIRC their take on voice is that many people use it, they included it in game for those who dont have an existing solution.
21:45.46Etanolwhy did it disappear then?
21:45.53kd3quickest way to limit understandings is to make it disappear
21:46.06Etanol:S
21:46.13kd3s/under/misunder/
21:46.15Etanolwth is this?
21:46.21Etanolspanish inquisition?
21:46.53Gnarfozlua> return string.format("%s blah %d","foo",5)
21:46.53lua_botGnarfoz: foo blah 5
21:47.00Gnarfozlua> return string.format("%d blah %s","foo",5)
21:47.01lua_botGnarfoz: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'format' (number expected, got string)
21:47.03Etanolso you removed a whole section of information from da intranetz just because you didnt like it?
21:47.04Gnarfozwell
21:47.06Etanolshame on you
21:47.12Gnarfozlua> return string.format("%2$d blah %1$s","foo",5)
21:47.13kd3so fix it. it's a wiki
21:47.13lua_botGnarfoz: luabot:1: invalid option '%$' to 'format'
21:47.19Gnarfoz? oO
21:47.34Gnarfozah right, lua_bot doesn't have that
21:47.53ScytheBlade1Etanol: no. because what it does violates WoW policy and is grounds for an account ban.
21:48.00Etanolaha
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21:48.09stdarothe latest year on the birthdate drop down is 2005, I wonder if wow has a lot of 3 and 4 year olds playing?
21:48.13Etanolbut why remove it all? it's interesting to know that there is positional audio
21:48.19kd3hit refersh
21:48.21ScytheBlade1..........
21:48.24ScytheBlade1terrible analogy
21:48.34ScytheBlade1Let's throw a page up about botting
21:48.37Etanolaha, it's not about the wow voip?
21:48.39ScytheBlade1It's interesting to know that it exists too
21:48.47Etanolsorry, misunderstood ^^
21:48.54kd3...
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21:54.18Thunder_ChildKrod is win
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21:59.52stdarowhere would I start if I wanted to code a custom action bar button? (completely separate question from mumble)
22:00.06kd3take a look at any bar mod?
22:00.21foxlitYou would start with an empty page.
22:00.41foxlitThen you'd probably look up SecureActionButtonTemplate, sigh, and move on to more fruitful endeavors.
22:02.21Funkeh`Shirik, ya there
22:02.39Shirikmaybe
22:02.48Funkeh`Dunno if you're the right person to tell
22:02.51Funkeh`but for some reason
22:02.52stdaromore fruitful endeavors?  I'm just mucking about.  I really want a mend pet button with a cooldown animation based on the duration of the spell.  I have a macro that's close, but it's an itch, and I'm looking for an easy place to start
22:03.09Funkeh`all my addons in the data broker section, any comments made don't appear in my personal home page
22:03.28Funkeh`Bug?
22:04.23Funkeh`Actually that's a lie, some do some don't
22:04.27nevcairielaction buttons are no where near any easy places
22:04.42foxlitTo be fair, easy buttons are easy.
22:04.57foxlitIt's just when you want them to do stuff that things get complicated.
22:05.14foxlitwhines at the Cooldown model.
22:05.22foxlitIt doesn't tolerate being rescaled while animating :(
22:05.34Funkeh`nevcairiel, after 4 versions I wouldn't think so :P
22:06.02nevcairielhuh?
22:06.09Coren{de}Eventhorizon > CompactBars, that is all.
22:06.43foxlitLook what you've done, Coren{de}: now I have to look up compactbars.
22:06.51Funkeh`I mean't 4 versions of bt
22:07.09nevcairielWell i know how to deal with that by now
22:07.22nevcairielIts just that blizzard revamps the whole system with every expansion
22:07.27nevcairielso it sparked a new version
22:07.30Coren{de}it sucks, it re-uses bars to optimize space, but that sacrifices all clarity which is the reason why I wanted it...
22:07.33nevcairiel(also, 1 and 2 are not from me)
22:07.57EtanolI think I might make a DK module for EventHorizon, but I don't think there's support for the behavior I want for runes
22:08.06foxlitHey, quick, more geometry.
22:08.15EtanolI'm thinging one bar per rune type on cooldown, showing the nearest rune
22:08.54foxlitThere are N squares with side length S arranged uniformly a circle around a point O such that all box midpoints are a distance R away from O.
22:09.44Coren{de}as a druid I get 6 bars as well, so it doesn't seem totally impossible to assign the 6 runes instead of 6 spells... :)
22:10.32foxlitNow add a second similar circle of M squares, such that there is a single point of contact; find the radius R2 of the second circle such that no boxes intersect.
22:11.14foxlitI think I need a second whiteboard.
22:11.28Coren{de}3-dimensional drawing ftw! ;)
22:11.43kd3looks for a scratchpad
22:12.04kd3you implementing multiple-level rings?
22:12.05kd3yay
22:13.37Coren{de}mkay, I suck... never noticed what a total waste of energy 3+ SavageRoar is :(
22:13.51foxlitYes; since I can't move between rings (which is silly -- I can, actually!), I figured I'd let you nest them one level deep.
22:14.53Etanolnest?
22:14.56Etanolhow would that work?
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22:15.07Etanolyou scroll to zoom to next?
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22:17.02Etanol~foxlit
22:17.03purlmethinks foxlit is Factose Intolerant
22:17.39foxlitAnd then there's that. Cheers, mikma!
22:18.27foxlitNot quite. You stay within the ring you opened, but individual slices may represent actions from other rings; you can scroll through those actions.
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22:18.50Etanolindividual slices?
22:19.02foxlitIt's apparently a pie.
22:19.03Etanolyou mean some objects in the rings can be foldout rings?
22:19.16Etanola pie?
22:19.35foxlitoh, pie!
22:19.45Etanolbacon pie?
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22:19.53Cairennhuggles Lopeppeppy
22:20.05Etanolsmashes foxlit over the head repeatedly with a secure frame handler
22:20.21Cairennme thinks she is having a problem with her intrawebz today
22:20.22kd3I'm sure the frame handlers did that on their own
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22:21.36Cairenn~seen kirkburn
22:21.39purlkirkburn <n=Kirkburn@wikia/Kirkburn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 1d 19s ago, saying: 'I'm off again ... have a great weekend, all!'.
22:22.28foxlit<PROTECTED>
22:22.31Etanolomg your addon is a KEYLOGGER LOL! it will steal my pw :/
22:23.07foxlitDid you install and run it already?
22:23.36Etanol^^
22:23.44Etanolyou released a new version?
22:23.58Etanolbtw, why isnt opie on curse?
22:24.58foxlitI'd have to upload it there :)
22:25.37nevcairielSometimes i wished there was an easy way to get syntax highlighting into block strings
22:25.58nevcairielMind you, my blocks in Bartender are not nearly as big and/or complex
22:25.59nevcairielbut still
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22:26.46Arrowmastershould be possible depending on the editor
22:27.03Etanoldefine block strings
22:28.24foxlit[(=*)[ these things ]\1]
22:29.23Kasoregex is fun
22:30.30KasoEtanol, read about Literal strings here : http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.1
22:34.38Etanolwhy is (=*) outside of the inner bracket
22:34.39Etanoland \1
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22:37.12Etanollua> print( [(=*)[ these things ]\1])
22:37.12lua_botEtanol: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '['
22:37.20batrickIEEE is so shitty
22:37.25TarovenHmm... can I concat table entries? For example, if I have a table with c0,c1,c2,c3, etc, can I call c..i with a "for i = 0,5 do" or similar method?
22:37.43batrickSuch a pain in the ass to do research when they hold everyone's articles ransom.
22:38.05nevcairielThey want you to pay for reading them, eh?
22:38.12EtanolTaroven: yes
22:38.12foxlithow dare they!
22:38.28EtanolTaroven: table["c"..i]
22:38.37TarovenAwesome, thanks Ethanol
22:38.38batrickThey don't create the content.
22:39.19EtanolI don't have the guts to program lua anymore :/
22:39.35Etanolsomeobody here said tables are lifethreatening
22:39.51Etanolworse than velociraptors even
22:40.05Kasotables are awesome
22:40.48Tarovenhttp://wowui.pastey.net/112169 look about right?
22:40.49Etanolappearently, every table creates a black holy in the memory
22:41.20foxlitAnd one day they'll consume us all
22:41.25KasoEtanol, if you didnt get  [(=*)[ these things ]\1] that foxlit posted earlier, its a regex pattern that matches the block-string syntax, [ followed by 0 or more = and then [ and the same number of = on the other side between two ]
22:41.26Etanollocal i = c        ???
22:41.43EtanolKaso: aha, didn't realise, thx
22:41.43Kasoso [[test]] [=[test]=] [==[test]==] etc
22:41.50TarovenIgnore that, already fixed. =P
22:42.08Etanolshould work awesome
22:42.12TarovenWoot
22:42.21Etanolthe rest of the code, that is
22:42.27Etanolif those functions work as intended
22:42.28foxlithm, I should probably implement a max-heap
22:42.31Etanolunpack?
22:42.44Kasounpack takes an array and turns it into a list of arguments
22:42.50Etanolwha....
22:42.55Etanol!api unpack
22:42.56lua_botDocumentation for 'unpack' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-unpack
22:43.34Etanolaha
22:44.20TarovenHm
22:44.26TarovenDoesn't seem to be working quite right
22:44.42Etanolis the stuff in the tables top-level values only?
22:44.55Etanols/is/are
22:45.06Etanoldamn it, I will never get it right
22:45.15Kasoneed a trailing slash
22:45.18Etanolaha
22:45.19Etanolthx
22:45.40Kasowas your previous question referring to unpack?
22:45.47Tarovenhttp://wowui.pastey.net/112170 Etanol (includes config table)
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22:47.10TarovenThe coloring works, but it seems to be trying to apply all the colors, ending in c5 for any combo point
22:47.28Etanolwell
22:47.32Etanolyou are doing exactly that
22:47.34Kasoyou're doing it all wrong
22:47.40TarovenKinda figured. =P
22:47.42Kasoneed to learn about scoping i think
22:47.59Etanolshouldnt it be like
22:48.06KasoYou want to set the colour of combo, to the value of c0-5 depending on what GetComboPoints returns yes?
22:48.07Etanolcombo1:setvertexcolor
22:48.15Etanolaha
22:48.29TarovenCorrect Kaso
22:48.34Etanolthen you should use like
22:48.41Etanolcombo:SetVertexColor(unpack(tPower.config.combo["c"..numberOfComboPoints]))
22:48.47Etanolinstead of a loop
22:48.48Kasoyou dont need the for bit at all
22:48.52Kasoyah ^
22:49.12TarovenDoh, yeah, makes sense
22:49.15TarovenThanks
22:49.56TarovenWorks beautifully now. =D
22:50.00Etanolis there a documented phobia about sleeping?
22:50.08EtanolI think I might have it :P
22:50.12TarovenNarcophobia iirc
22:50.26foxlitThat reads dangerously close to fear of drugs
22:50.31foxlits/drugs/narcotics/
22:50.50TarovenHippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia = Fear of long words. =P
22:51.11Etanolwhat are you writing taroven?
22:51.22Etanolcombo point frame?
22:51.27TarovenKinda.
22:51.56TarovenIt's a power tracker. Displays current mana/energy/rage, and combo points if you're playing a rogue/druid.
22:52.08Etanolaha
22:52.09Etanolnice
22:52.28TarovenI'm designing it to anchor to EventHorizon and use its display settings if it's enabled as well
22:52.52TarovenOne of those random requests that I thought would be really cool.
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22:54.24Tarovenhttp://hdimage.org/images/nbva9jmtukc6hvht59_ocrnhot041209185332.jpg
22:55.07TarovenMid-right of the screen, below target health
22:56.15Tarovenhttp://hdimage.org/images/7mmgumq0d94ipt39me_ocrnhot041209185612.jpg
22:56.23TarovenLittle better example of everything in action
22:57.48TarovenNeed to figure out what else to display... as is, the right side of the frame is really bare
22:59.42Etanolreally nice
22:59.47Etanolare you adding DK support?
23:00.05TarovenAlready did to the tracker
23:00.12TarovenEventHorizon doesn't support DKs yet
23:00.15Etanolwhat does it display
23:00.19EtanolI know, I plan on adding that
23:00.27TarovenJust RP at the moment
23:00.32Etanolok
23:00.34TarovenNeed to figure out how I wanna display runes
23:00.46Etanol[x][y][z]
23:00.52Etanolwhere x,y,z is either 0, 1 or 2
23:01.04Etanol(available runes)
23:01.05TarovenThat'd work.
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23:01.17Etanolbut death runes would crush that
23:01.28TarovenYeah
23:01.32Etanolguess you'ld have to add a fourth element that only displays sometimes
23:01.38Etanolpreferably left-bound
23:01.58Etanolreally nice addon btw, thumbs up :D
23:02.09TarovenThanks. =P
23:02.20TarovenI just help a bit with EH, that's Tifi's addon
23:02.25Etanolsolves my eventhorizon dk module problem
23:02.35TarovenHehe
23:02.50TarovenIf you want, I can set up a quick gcode project so you can do some work on the tracker as well.
23:03.04Etanolwould be awesome :)
23:03.07TarovenAlright, sec
23:03.14Etanoldo you know if Tifi hangs around here?
23:03.22Etanolhave some questions about eh modules
23:04.19Etanolbtw, do you use kgpanels or similar do make the border around EH and the power tracker?
23:04.44TarovenNope.
23:05.10Gnarfoz~seen tifi
23:05.13purltifi <n=Tifi@dslb-088-073-065-134.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 21d 7h 19m 30s ago, saying: 'ptr toc version is 30100?'.
23:05.13TarovenThe addon (Clobber) pulls border and background settings directly from EventHorizon's config
23:05.29TarovenYeah, I haven't seen him on in a while
23:06.05Thunder_Childwikipedia needs to have a timeout function so i stop spending so much time there
23:06.20TarovenProblem with kg/eepanels is that EventHorizon doesn't have an API-visible frame with size and position info at the moment
23:06.37TarovenEasy to solve with one line in EH, but it's annoying
23:06.55Etanolyou're saying frame:getHeight/Width() doesn't work on it?
23:07.24TarovenEventHorizon has two globally accessible frames
23:07.45TarovenEventHorizonFrame and EventHorizonHandle
23:08.12TarovenEventHorizonHandle is the anchor point, EventHorizonFrame is just a parent frame with no dimensions
23:09.20TarovenTo fix, need to add a name to EventHorizon's mainframe at line 21 in EventHorizon.lua
23:10.25Taroven(mainframe is EH's bar frame, has the height/width you'd need for a panel addon or anchored frame)
23:10.42Etanolaha
23:11.50Etanoli'm new to gcode, do I need set permissions to edit projects?
23:12.24TarovenI'll fill you in once I have a working svn for the tracker
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23:20.10Funkeh`jnwhiteh, just so you know, I'm getting an astrolabe error on 3.1 with tomtom which prevents mos tof the addon being loaded
23:20.27nevcairieldid you get the 3.1 version of tomtom? =P
23:20.29foxlithttp://go-hero.net/content/store/ghost.png
23:20.43nevcairielthat looks awesome foxlit
23:21.10Funkeh`nevcairiel, well, there only appears to be one version
23:21.13Funkeh`which says 3.1
23:21.22Funkeh`so, I hope so :P
23:21.29NightHawkTheSanethat's pretty hot, foxlit
23:21.59mikmafoxlit: lol minirings
23:22.32foxlitscrollwheel is going to hurt.
23:23.29foxlitIt's a bit too eager to fire many, many scroll events
23:25.27foxlit(I'm cheating with radius geometry too: it's hardcoded)
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23:25.58Wobinit's gerenally easier that way =P
23:25.58mikmahardcored
23:31.48Funkeh`nevcairiel, tomtom was using the old astrolabe, I just fetched the 3.1 branch of the lib but I guess he probably knows that
23:33.24nevcairielFunkeh`: the latest beta on the wowi page has the 3.1 version too
23:33.54Esine<PROTECTED>
23:34.10Funkeh`nevcairiel, it's possible they changed it again
23:34.39nevcairielI downloaded it just now! :)
23:34.49nevcairielr198 in the beta category has the 3.1 version
23:36.08Esineooh wait forums post by Iriel right
23:36.33Funkeh`nevcairiel, only one appeared when I typed in tomtom int he search
23:36.36Funkeh`whcih said 3.1
23:36.43Funkeh`so I guess it's the wrong one
23:36.57nevcairielthe project is right
23:37.20nevcairielhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7032-TomTom.html
23:37.23nevcairielthere is a "Beta" tab
23:37.27nevcairielwith 198 in it
23:37.28nevcairiel:)
23:37.48Funkeh`trust me to miss that
23:38.23nevcairielOne could argue that flipping the 3.1 flag while the main version is still 3.0 could be a bit irritating
23:38.39Wobinwhere's the link to the LDB API and details?
23:38.39nevcairielBut then again you don't want the main version to not work with current live
23:38.54nevcairielWobin: http://wiki.github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1
23:39.01Wobinta
23:40.18nevcairielI wonder if tekkub ever send out those Slurpees
23:40.20nevcairiel;)
23:43.56Funkeh`hehe
23:44.55foxlitAnyone have the steelseries mouse?
23:46.40Irielfoxlit: I poked at one at blizzcon and wasn't wowed
23:46.44Irielpun not intended
23:47.13foxlitIriel: I'm about to put some blame on it's driver for sending "bad" event sequences
23:47.41foxliti.e. it'd send a press/release when you press a mouse button, and *another* press/release when you release the mouse button.
23:47.53IrielHm, is that because the button is macroed oddly?
23:48.07foxlitI have no idea; it's an error report.
23:48.08IrielI can think of situations in which that might be desirable for some games
23:48.12foxlitIndeed.
23:48.45Thunder_Childi have their mousepad
23:48.53Thunder_Childmuch love for that
23:49.03Irielmousepad?
23:49.14Thunder_Childsteelseries
23:49.36IrielMousepads make me think of the days of yesteryear, ball mice and those optical grid pads
23:50.02Thunder_Childhttp://www.steelseries.com/images/11/1289-1580.jpg
23:50.07Thunder_Childis more or less what i mean
23:50.13Thunder_Childhard plastic
23:50.30Thunder_Childbut my mouse glides across it like butter on a hot pan
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23:51.05Wobinlooks at the worn out tabletop where his mouse rests
23:51.06KasoMy icemat is lovely, though its showing its wear now
23:51.09WobinI need a mousepad
23:51.10Kasoneed a new mat
23:51.14Wobinbut one that works
23:51.26dgfanyone have a good knowledege of appraiser
23:51.32Thunder_Childwell i play FPS so this was rather important
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23:54.33IrielI just use my desk, but it's got enough visible texture that my mouse can pick up movement just fine (and it's clean, so no stickiness)
23:56.02Shirik.....
23:56.04Thunder_Childmy old mousepad wasnt sticky either
23:56.10ShirikOne of my team members just walked in with 4 pizzas
23:56.15ShirikWe have 6 people here
23:56.26Thunder_Childyour going to run out
23:56.27ShirikThis would be awesome and all.... except I just ordered 3 pizzas 30 minutes ago
23:56.43Thunder_Child7 pizzas *might* do it...*might*
23:56.45ShirikOur team communication is amazing
23:57.35Thunder_ChildShirik, how long you planing on being there?
23:57.43Shirikprobably until 4 AM
23:57.48foxlit30 minutes, and it's still not delivered?!
23:57.58Thunder_Childand you think 7 pizzas is overkill why?
23:58.12Shirikbecause
23:58.15Shirikwe should be working
23:58.21Shirikand some of us will probably have killed others by the end of the day
23:58.26foxlitIt takes work to consume pizza.
23:58.31Thunder_Childif you can do both you dont diserve said pizza
23:58.32kd3"probably"?
23:58.42Thunder_Childdeserve*
23:58.43Thunder_Childw/e
23:58.49foxlitkd3: if he said definitely, it'd be premeditated.
23:58.56kd3what is this "probable" death and destruction? my day isn't complete if someone isn't on fire when I leave
23:59.29Thunder_Childnot everyone likes sodemy kd3

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