| 00:01.05 | Dewin | no idkfa? |
| 00:02.41 | Kalroth | Dewin: There is now, tekkub is writing it right now! |
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| 00:03.58 | Thunder_Child | i'm tmepted to donate $.26 |
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| 00:04.34 | Thunder_Child | tempted* |
| 00:05.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: I dont know of another Eugene, but a quick google search indicates KMTR is in fact eugene, OR based |
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| 00:15.06 | Dewin | Nighthawk: I noticed that shortly after when I saw the oregon association of broadcasters blurb on the top |
| 00:15.25 | Dewin | lives in Oregon and actually contemplated watching Watchmen. |
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| 00:28.46 | mikma | [03:27:00] Abra Cadabra says: Welcome. |
| 00:30.29 | mikma | tekkub: can i use |TIcon:x:x:x:x|t in LDB.text ? |
| 00:31.30 | tekkub | why couldn't you? |
| 00:31.51 | mikma | well i don't know. was thinking about adding multiple icons in one feed |
| 00:31.56 | mikma | if that's possible :I |
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| 01:01.42 | Lunessa | abc.com's video player plug-in is garbage. |
| 01:03.02 | kd3 | s/.com's video player plugin// |
| 01:03.21 | Lunessa | True, true. |
| 01:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man |
| 01:03.42 | Kaso | you should prob escape that single quote ;p |
| 01:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | multithreaded mplayer is amazing |
| 01:04.07 | kd3 | oh ho? |
| 01:04.14 | kd3 | fetches a git update |
| 01:04.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 1080p h264 playing on a CPU that is 600MHz too slow to do it otherwise |
| 01:04.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Both cores maxing out around ~50% |
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| 01:35.15 | Arrowmaster | sony fucking sucks, fucking bastards cant even get decent bandwidth, im getting less than 100kb/s during ps3 system update |
| 01:36.55 | Mysticell | I got around 1-1.4mbps from apple downloading itunes. It was somewhat surprising |
| 01:39.11 | cog|away | (random) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI |
| 01:44.08 | alestane | cog|away: Do you work for a vineyard, a winery, or both? |
| 01:44.21 | cog|away | both |
| 01:44.58 | alestane | Just bought a wine from a company in Sonoma and it occurred to me to wonder. |
| 01:45.35 | alestane | Castle Rock. |
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| 01:55.44 | AbsolutRayne | Need Dogtag Help |
| 01:55.50 | AbsolutRayne | if anyones not busy |
| 01:56.03 | alestane | ...123not it! |
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| 01:57.44 | AbsolutRayne | Looking to make a Tag that shows a Players Name when theyre at full HP, and hides it in favor of MissingHP when theyre not |
| 01:58.01 | alestane | I'm wicked busy and I don't anything about it, sorry. |
| 01:59.48 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: IsMaxHP returns true if unit is at max health |
| 01:59.51 | Stanzilla | if that helps u :P |
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| 02:02.46 | tlund | if ( (spell ~= "Light") && (spell ~= "Wisdom") ) then <- what am I dong wrong? |
| 02:03.23 | Iriel | not using 'and' for and? |
| 02:03.43 | alestane | if spell ~= "Light" and spell ~= "Wisdom" then |
| 02:03.58 | AbsolutRayne | Stanzilla: Still need a tag that will properly show the missing HP in favor |
| 02:04.14 | tlund | mmmmmmm |
| 02:04.15 | tlund | thanks |
| 02:04.16 | alestane | Lua avoids using two many cute shorthand operators. |
| 02:04.19 | alestane | too* |
| 02:04.20 | AbsolutRayne | Hang on think I got it |
| 02:04.31 | tlund | long time since i did anything in lua :) |
| 02:04.44 | AbsolutRayne | No I dont, that just copies the name |
| 02:04.45 | AbsolutRayne | :S |
| 02:04.51 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: [if IsMaxHP then Name else HP end] ? |
| 02:05.00 | tlund | Iriel, alestane: thank you. |
| 02:05.45 | AbsolutRayne | Shows the Total HP instead of Missing |
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| 02:05.59 | AbsolutRayne | got it |
| 02:06.26 | AbsolutRayne | Stanzilla: ty as always |
| 02:06.32 | Stanzilla | np :) |
| 02:07.14 | AbsolutRayne | I have a complicated one in mind for Mana users |
| 02:07.20 | AbsolutRayne | But im not exactly sure how to go about it |
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| 02:08.32 | AbsolutRayne | Basically, its going to be a tag that will make a Symbol show up with a person is at less than 50% Mana, and will turn red if its below 20%. |
| 02:09.18 | tlund | is there a function I can hook _just_ before the game exists back to the characterscreen, _on idle timeout_? I want to write a small addon that quits the game instead of exit to the characterscreen if you idle timeout. |
| 02:09.34 | AbsolutRayne | not sure how im going to go about changing the Color, though |
| 02:09.38 | alestane | PLAYER_LOGOUT? |
| 02:09.58 | alestane | No, not specific to Idle timeouts. |
| 02:10.00 | tlund | alestane: yeah, but that event happens if you do /logout also? |
| 02:10.13 | AbsolutRayne | Or how im going to go about it detecting Mana over Energy / Rage / Runic Power |
| 02:10.28 | tlund | alestane: maby register for PLAYER_LOGOUT and then check som variable, if it is possible |
| 02:10.41 | alestane | I think the idle timeout may actually be triggered by the server, so my first suspicion is that you're out of luck there. Not positive though. |
| 02:10.44 | Jamash | you could hook the function that displays the omg you are timing out window |
| 02:11.03 | tlund | alestane: i really dislike wows strategy of disconnecting me and the leaving me at the login screen running the graphicscard at 100% all night if i fall asleep :( |
| 02:11.38 | alestane | tlund: I don't discount your opinion. I'm just not sure there's a way to do what you're asking, becuase I'm not sure it ever goes through the UI. |
| 02:11.43 | tlund | Jamash: that does only seem to happen when you are outside of an in/city. |
| 02:11.51 | Jamash | Oh, hmm |
| 02:12.03 | tlund | alestane: yeah, possibly. |
| 02:12.18 | Arrowmaster | tlund: afaik exiting the game requires a hardware event so i dont think thats possible |
| 02:12.26 | tlund | I guess i could petition blizzard for a CVar to set to make the client exit when you get disconnected from the server because of idle |
| 02:12.42 | tlund | Arrowmaster: ah, yeah. that sounds likley aswell. |
| 02:13.15 | alestane | tlund: You could probably make it play a sound if you go AFK from being idle. |
| 02:13.15 | tlund | Maby I should write a small, well worded, post on the EU forums, and then ask one of you to re-post it on the US formums for me instead... |
| 02:13.25 | tlund | alestane: yeah, but thats not what I want either :/ |
| 02:14.09 | tlund | i DO want to log out, i just dont want it to get stuck with the login-screen and the dragon roaring, running the fan on my graphicscard on full, and not allowing my screensaver to take the monitor into powersave |
| 02:14.19 | Ktron | is trying to pick a new server |
| 02:14.28 | tlund | it has happened to me ALOT of times. :) |
| 02:14.29 | tlund | 100+ |
| 02:14.45 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: [if MP <= "50":Blue then "/!\" elseif MP <= "20" then "/!\":Red else end] < that has a syntax error somewhere but you get the idea.. |
| 02:14.49 | tlund | either falling alseep, or just forgetting that you where still logged in either when you go to watch a movie, or going out for food |
| 02:15.23 | Stanzilla | err [if MP <= "50" then "/!\":Blue elseif MP <= "20" then "/!\":Red else end] |
| 02:15.50 | alestane | Um, drop that last else? |
| 02:16.23 | Ktron | Any suggestions for ways to figure out what servers are relatively active? trying to find servers which are likely to have good 'casual' guilds |
| 02:16.30 | Stanzilla | nah, still says syntax error. I actually added it to test :P |
| 02:16.44 | Jamash | what about those backslashes and the quotes? |
| 02:17.06 | alestane | "/!\\" ? |
| 02:17.15 | Stanzilla | he wanted "a symbol" |
| 02:17.21 | AbsolutRayne | Tried dropping those, still a Syntax |
| 02:17.22 | Stanzilla | that's like a attention sign :P |
| 02:17.36 | AbsolutRayne | I was going to use * |
| 02:17.38 | AbsolutRayne | :P |
| 02:17.48 | alestane | tlund: Supposedly there's a system chat message taht appears right as you get DC'd. |
| 02:17.55 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: [if MP <= 50 then "Moo":Blue elseif MP <= 20 then "Moo":Red end] < works |
| 02:21.05 | Lunessa | Ktron: You can look and see which servers are "high" population during your play time, but you won't find whatever it is you mean by 'active' without spending time there. |
| 02:21.14 | Iriel | Why not do it backwards, detect that you logged out deliberately via a flag and if the flag is missing, conclude you were DC'ed ? |
| 02:21.22 | AbsolutRayne | Stanzilla: It still shows the * for Non mana users, but I can figure that out Later. :P |
| 02:21.25 | AbsolutRayne | Raid tiem |
| 02:21.41 | Iriel | it'll be wacky for server crashes, but i'm sure some kind of delay to give you time to log back in would work |
| 02:21.51 | Iriel | And you do have various log files you can watch for activity at login time |
| 02:22.26 | AbsolutRayne | And actually, its showing the Blue * regardless of What % the Mana is, but again, Raid tiem <_< |
| 02:22.36 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: add a if then else with "IsMana" around it |
| 02:24.12 | Stanzilla | and I know why :/ use PercentMP instead of MP |
| 02:24.12 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.41 | tlund | Iriel: yeah, that might work. |
| 02:28.22 | tlund | alestane: ok, thanks |
| 02:35.57 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: [if IsMana then if PercentMP <= 20 then "*":Red elseif PercentMP <= 50 then "*":Blue end end] ok now that will work... |
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| 02:41.49 | cog|away | twiddles his thumbs |
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| 02:43.41 | Iriel | attaches magnets and a small coil of wire to cog's thumbs to generate power |
| 02:44.11 | cog|book | gets tired... you draw too much power :P |
| 02:44.14 | Lunessa | runs miles of copper wire to households and charges per cog-o-watt hour |
| 02:45.18 | cog|book | silly texans interfering with our power supply :P |
| 02:45.53 | Lunessa | Ahem... It's the other way around, though El Paso and a few other companies did manipulate the market. :P |
| 02:46.17 | cog|book | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron |
| 02:46.46 | Lunessa | Tx still exports more power. :P |
| 02:47.38 | cog|book | yeah, we like to outsource our pollution generation |
| 02:48.02 | Lunessa | And we outsource our social safety net to ca. |
| 02:48.35 | cog|book | Pasadena's kinda scary... |
| 02:48.50 | Lunessa | Here too |
| 02:49.07 | cog|book | was talking about there |
| 02:49.10 | cog|book | :P |
| 02:49.15 | Lunessa | :P |
| 02:51.21 | Arrowmaster | seriously how fucking poor is sony |
| 02:51.35 | Arrowmaster | ive spent like 3 hours on a 500mb download |
| 02:58.01 | Arrowmaster | oh and its still only at 44% |
| 02:58.03 | Dagmar | They do not have the know of BitTorrent |
| 02:58.15 | Lunessa | what the hell are you downloading from sony? |
| 02:58.28 | Arrowmaster | ps3 update |
| 02:58.35 | Lunessa | Oh, I'm sorry. |
| 02:59.01 | Dagmar | Oh, then you're *really* suffering from their lack of BitTorrent |
| 02:59.21 | Dagmar | Shipping 500Mb out to 2 million people equals OMG LARGE amounts of throughput. |
| 02:59.27 | Dagmar | Money can't buy that. |
| 02:59.34 | Dagmar | ...not unless you're Google. |
| 03:00.03 | Arrowmaster | its a game update not a system update |
| 03:00.15 | Dagmar | Not that Google has the money, per se, but they do have the peering bloody *everywhere* |
| 03:00.34 | Arrowmaster | and i havent played that game in a while so its not like a lot of people are downloading the update |
| 03:00.46 | Dagmar | It just came out |
| 03:00.53 | Dagmar | er the system update |
| 03:01.00 | Arrowmaster | i already got the system update |
| 03:01.13 | Dagmar | Yes, but they're all pulling from Sony's equipment |
| 03:01.48 | Arrowmaster | from where? japan? |
| 03:02.10 | Dagmar | Dunno. Probably one of the MAEs |
| 03:02.49 | Dagmar | You could always call Sony and complain. I'm sure someone in QA/CS would be happy to increment a field in a spreadsheet based on your input. |
| 03:05.10 | Iriel | If you're lucky they may record you for quality control purposes |
| 03:05.10 | Arrowmaster | ive called sony customer support before about my ps3 |
| 03:05.15 | Arrowmaster | worst support ever |
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| 03:05.34 | Lunessa | There's a reason I don't buy their games. |
| 03:05.49 | Arrowmaster | its ok, i only have 3 ps3 games |
| 03:06.08 | Arrowmaster | i buy everything for 360 over ps3 |
| 03:07.35 | Arrowmaster | have i mentioned how i have to login to 3 different accounts with passwords to play multiplayer for one game on ps3 |
| 03:07.57 | Arrowmaster | part of the reason i never turn my ps3 on |
| 03:10.42 | Dagmar | Freakin' weird |
| 03:11.05 | Lunessa | I got fed up with Sony's idea of CS with EQ. Though I did like my PS2 |
| 03:11.07 | Dagmar | I merged my PSN and PSU accounts awhile back, but I never had to login to more than one of them at a time |
| 03:11.42 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah, I'm sad to say I bought the PS3 because of GTA and the upcoming Sony@Home thing which turned out to be nothing more than a damn teen shopping mall |
| 03:11.49 | Dagmar | It's a nice unit tho |
| 03:12.14 | mikma | i have three different line in my table, how can i combine them into one string? :O (they are all text in the table) |
| 03:12.51 | Iriel | are they in consecutive indices, 1, 2 and 3 ? |
| 03:12.56 | mikma | yeap |
| 03:12.59 | Iriel | table.concat |
| 03:13.40 | mikma | well.. ok.. here's the deal: table.insert(footable,{"foo","bar","test"}) (that x3) |
| 03:13.56 | mikma | i need to combine it to: foo, bar, test, foo, bar, test, foo, bar, test |
| 03:14.20 | Iriel | oh, then you either need to do a bunch of string concats, or make a temporary 'flat' table. |
| 03:14.22 | mikma | (imagine foo as icon path, bar as name, test as count :D) |
| 03:14.25 | Iriel | Is this inside wow? or in plain lua? |
| 03:14.28 | mikma | inside wow |
| 03:14.46 | kd3 | oh whee, my realm's offline |
| 03:14.52 | kd3 | wonders if CSF has exploded yet |
| 03:15.21 | mikma | i was hoping i wouldn't have to do huge if not text then text = table.concat else text = text .. table.concat end |
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| 03:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | asdadasdasdasdasdasd |
| 03:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | [D~. |
| 03:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry |
| 03:25.13 | TC-Away | no you are not |
| 03:25.15 | TC-Away | ~pi |
| 03:25.15 | purl | i heard pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 03:25.27 | Lunessa | that was sorry |
| 03:25.29 | End | ~pie |
| 03:25.30 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
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| 03:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | this song is kinda catchy.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rid4pS131M |
| 03:25.47 | Thunder_Child | tbh i figured that ~pi was going to be a pie joke |
| 03:26.10 | Fisker- | kicks Thunder_Child in the face |
| 03:26.20 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge purl |
| 03:26.21 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of purl's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 03:26.22 | Thunder_Child | err... |
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| 03:26.27 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge Fisker- |
| 03:26.28 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of Fisker-'s malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 03:26.42 | tekkub | too slow, you dodged the wrong thing |
| 03:28.30 | Fisker- | so coming up on 3 weeks now |
| 03:28.31 | Fisker- | :E |
| 03:28.34 | Fisker- | lazy gits |
| 03:28.49 | Cairenn | Fisker-: ? |
| 03:28.59 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8464856585&sid=1 |
| 03:29.44 | Cairenn | ah |
| 03:30.49 | Thunder_Child | that reminds me i need to sign up for the SC2 beta |
| 03:31.23 | Fisker- | naw |
| 03:31.30 | Fisker- | what you need to do is to give me that there blizzcon code |
| 03:31.40 | Fisker- | then i'll sign up for you! |
| 03:31.44 | kd3 | ho, wait... have they finally activated the blizzcon cards? |
| 03:31.54 | Fisker- | naw kd3 |
| 03:31.58 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 03:32.00 | Fisker- | They said you should all give them to me |
| 03:32.00 | Thunder_Child | i think so |
| 03:32.03 | Fisker- | shhh |
| 03:32.04 | kd3 | looks for his |
| 03:32.17 | Fisker- | why doesn't this work? :( |
| 03:32.30 | Thunder_Child | we know you |
| 03:32.36 | Dagmar | Because God hates you. |
| 03:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | because you touch yourself. |
| 03:33.15 | Fisker- | I'm gonna go with option nr. 3 |
| 03:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i actually think it's option 4: all of the above. |
| 03:34.08 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* still 1k left for my flying |
| 03:34.09 | Fisker- | wonders when Blizzard gets started giving us account merges |
| 03:34.11 | Fisker- | :( |
| 03:34.56 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: What do Siren's Tears go for on your server? |
| 03:35.16 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, i have no idea |
| 03:35.41 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: If that place in Borean Tundra is as empty on your server as it is on mine, it'll take less than an hour to grab 100 clams from there and turn them in for a Siren's Tear |
| 03:36.32 | Dagmar | 150-175g on Skywall it seems |
| 03:36.43 | Thunder_Child | rep reward item? |
| 03:36.47 | Dagmar | Just something "different" to do for a bit of grinding |
| 03:36.58 | Dagmar | Nah, just a straight up trade in like with the Sporeggar and their mushrooms |
| 03:37.12 | Dagmar | Assuming, of course, you completed that little quest line over there for the Murlocs |
| 03:37.23 | Thunder_Child | ah, well the grind isnt so bad since it's guests i have not done before, it's just slow going |
| 03:37.25 | Dagmar | King Mgrl-Mrgl and his murloc suit |
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| 03:38.13 | Thunder_Child | s/guests/quests/ |
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| 03:39.00 | Dagmar | So... This weekend should be interesting |
| 03:39.08 | Thunder_Child | should it? |
| 03:39.16 | Dagmar | I've got to find a way to break it to about five coworkers that they dont have a clue how to play. |
| 03:39.28 | Thunder_Child | "you dont know how to play" |
| 03:39.45 | Fisker- | breaks into Thunder_Child's house and steals his blizzcon card |
| 03:39.45 | Thunder_Child | "hey guys, you're really shitty" |
| 03:39.59 | Dagmar | Well, we started this guild on a PvP server, and so far, most of them are about level 22, with the exception of me and one of my other coworkers. |
| 03:40.13 | Dagmar | ALl toons started two weeks ago, the *good* coworker is 64 already. |
| 03:40.59 | Dagmar | Gonna have to take a rolled-up paper to some of them and say "Install the bloody guide and TomTom already" |
| 03:41.15 | Hirsute | Anyone here use Outfitter? |
| 03:41.22 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, just because they're slow levelers doesn't necessarily mean they're bad players |
| 03:41.36 | Dagmar | Granted, the "good" co-worker is doing a Hunter, but I'm outstripping them for /played vs level on a fire mage |
| 03:41.37 | Fisker- | sure it does! |
| 03:41.49 | Hirsute | just hit 80 on his first toon 3 days ago. |
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| 03:42.14 | Hirsute | That toon was 70 when Wrath hit. |
| 03:43.10 | Dagmar | Well, at the rate they're going, by the time they're 80 and ready to raid, I'll have gotten the mage to 80, the deathknight I've been twinking them with to 80, and will probably have bought another chopper |
| 03:43.24 | Dagmar | I might just run a hunter to 80 there instead |
| 03:44.15 | Dagmar | I already had the pleasure of basically having to mail my *boss* some gear because he was getting killed trying to kill a quest mob. |
| 03:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | at the rate their going, they're maya be another expansion first. ;) |
| 03:44.19 | Dagmar | ...as a druid. |
| 03:44.41 | Dagmar | I'm like, I put a complete selection of <300 enchants in the bank, including armor kits, and you're using none of them |
| 03:45.03 | Dagmar | Put on this, this, this, and use these, and voila you hit 20% harder and have twice the mana |
| 03:50.12 | Wobin | hehe http://www.threadless.com/product/1773/The_Ultimate_Combo? |
| 03:51.52 | mikma | wobin: errrr? |
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| 03:58.50 | kd3 | heh |
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| 04:10.00 | AnduinLothar | ok.. i need a target frame to match my newly awesome orbs... http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6299/screenshot040609192718.jpg |
| 04:10.49 | Stanzilla | zomg huge |
| 04:11.07 | AnduinLothar | :-D now i can see them no matter where i'm looking |
| 04:11.45 | Stanzilla | from the other side of the street, too |
| 04:11.49 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 04:11.50 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 04:13.23 | Stanzilla | AnduinLothar: seen that? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9175-RothUI.html maybe you can steal from his oUF layout.. |
| 04:13.37 | Tem | bring more pallies to raids, AL |
| 04:13.49 | AnduinLothar | we had 4 prot pallies today lol |
| 04:14.05 | Tem | also more druids |
| 04:14.55 | AnduinLothar | we're laid back abotu attendance, so we need to have enough to compensate, sometimes the mix isn't ideal |
| 04:15.54 | AnduinLothar | mmm he even has custom alot skins |
| 04:15.59 | AnduinLothar | aloft* |
| 04:16.13 | Tem | we're very not laid back about attendance |
| 04:16.18 | Tem | overrecruiting is bad mkay |
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| 04:16.28 | AnduinLothar | to each his own. |
| 04:16.46 | AnduinLothar | I like being able to take a day or 2 off and not be hated |
| 04:18.49 | AnduinLothar | Stanzilla: yeah it's an interesting target frame, but it's lackign something |
| 04:19.09 | Dagmar | Tem: Sometimes it's bad. Sometimes you can drive your own guildies nuts by doing two Kara raids at once and racing. |
| 04:19.52 | cog|book | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 04:19.57 | cog|book | erm |
| 04:20.00 | cog|book | sry ... cat |
| 04:20.39 | End | lol |
| 04:20.45 | End | cat got your keyboard? |
| 04:20.49 | Dagmar | Tem: The fun part being when you say "Hmm... You guys need to catch up. Trade us your tank and we'll see if you can catch up. ...and the tank finds out you've been sitting around next to Attumen's corpse for hte last 20 minutes." |
| 04:21.04 | cog|book | she was in my lap and suddenly tried to get onto my desk |
| 04:21.09 | End | haha |
| 04:21.18 | Tem | Dagmar, what? |
| 04:21.18 | Cairenn | cog|book: hehehe |
| 04:21.33 | Dagmar | Tem: There's more fun that can be had with more people. |
| 04:21.44 | Dagmar | Underrecruiting is generally far worse. |
| 04:21.56 | Tem | I don't know what you mean by the trading tanks thing |
| 04:22.01 | Tem | raid lockout would prevent it |
| 04:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_hilarity |
| 04:22.43 | Dagmar | Shucks that prank won't work anymore then |
| 04:25.25 | Dagmar | plots and plans |
| 04:28.43 | Thunder_Child | pots and pans? |
| 04:29.19 | Dagmar | No, plotting and planning |
| 04:29.25 | Dagmar | There's got to be a way to pull off that trick again |
| 04:29.37 | Dagmar | It was too damn funny the last time (although it wasn't in Kara we did it) |
| 04:30.16 | tekkub | pets and pants |
| 04:30.46 | AnduinLothar | tem: http://www.goodwillgamers.com/guild_roster.html |
| 04:30.55 | AnduinLothar | look at how many 80's we have lol |
| 04:30.59 | Dagmar | There's not been enough raw amusement in the game for me lately. |
| 04:31.16 | Dagmar | ...although last night was a riot. Guildies are learning that my instructions are very, very specific. |
| 04:31.35 | Tem | http://www.lunarisguild.org/members.php |
| 04:31.51 | Dagmar | Like when I say "just stand outside this room and out of sight" I mean out of sight cuz Doan will go "BURN IN RIGHTEOUS FIRE" and kill all four of you. ;) |
| 04:31.56 | AnduinLothar | we have like 45 people raiding rank |
| 04:32.06 | Tem | we have 25 |
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| 04:49.05 | Nechckn | On a rather sparse Horde realm, as many seem to be, so need some input here... Have a T Druid that is going well, but the AH only really has anything on the weekends, during the week it is quite inactive. |
| 04:49.37 | Nechckn | So, he currently has herbalism and skinning; to which "real" profession should he go that would be of most use? |
| 04:50.12 | Nechckn | $$ would be fine, but on this server, it seems that utility should win out. |
| 04:50.30 | Nechckn | Thoughts/ideas welcome. |
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| 04:56.29 | AbsolutRayne | neat, Just got Armageddon on Offspec roll |
| 04:58.29 | cog|book | anyone know off the top of your head the function to clear the slash command cache? |
| 04:59.57 | cog|book | hmm... wipe(hash_SlashCmdList) perhaps... |
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| 05:02.18 | Duman | heh, kd3 ... just noticed your forum sig |
| 05:03.01 | deQer | Is there a mod that can color the player dots on the map, colored by their class. but also, a mod that can display the name of the player beside each dot (so i don't have to mouse over the dot to see the name) |
| 05:03.17 | kd3 | whee, [Higher Learning] |
| 05:03.19 | |Jelly| | Ok. Why do people keep asking me for my raidID? How do you look it up? |
| 05:03.25 | kd3 | after having to port out of a raid and get summoned back |
| 05:03.29 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.30 | deQer | Jelly, press O |
| 05:03.49 | |Jelly| | I didn't ask how to get my raid ID. I asked why do people keep asking me for it. |
| 05:04.03 | Dagmar | Probably to find out if you have one |
| 05:04.11 | deQer | You asked two questions. We answered the second question. |
| 05:04.40 | |Jelly| | ffs. Can I never get a straight answer? ... seriously |
| 05:04.53 | deQer | and I don't what you didn't ask. I can see what you asked. thanks. |
| 05:04.59 | deQer | don't care* |
| 05:05.09 | Duman | uh.. what |
| 05:05.22 | |Jelly| | Congratulations on not making any sense. |
| 05:05.25 | Duman | didn't you ask how you look up your raidid? |
| 05:05.30 | deQer | <|Jelly|> I didn't ask how to get my raid ID. |
| 05:05.31 | Duman | rereads |
| 05:05.37 | |Jelly| | I didn't. |
| 05:05.40 | deQer | I don't care what you didn't ask. I can see what you asked. Thanks. |
| 05:06.01 | Duman | what are you trying to ask then? :) |
| 05:06.15 | |Jelly| | [00:03]<|Jelly|>Ok. Why do people keep asking me for my raidID? How do you look it up? |
| 05:06.16 | Dagmar | Go to customer support and ask for a refund if you don't like your answers. |
| 05:06.17 | Dagmar | Sheesh |
| 05:06.29 | |Jelly| | The only logical reason they would ask is because there's some way to look it up. |
| 05:06.32 | Duman | I'm not sure how WE would know why other popel are asking you for your raidID... |
| 05:06.35 | Duman | perhaps ask them? |
| 05:06.38 | |Jelly| | Especially considering that I state that it's not fresh. |
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| 05:07.24 | deQer | They are asking for your raid id to see if it see instance you are saved to, to determine whether you can come along for their run if you're not saved. |
| 05:07.36 | deQer | to see which instance you are saved to |
| 05:07.49 | Duman | ^ that would make the most sense :) |
| 05:08.00 | Duman | also, there's no way to "look up" a raid ID |
| 05:10.43 | cog|book | AnduinLothar: improved error frame causes message() to stack overflow |
| 05:11.39 | AnduinLothar | known fact |
| 05:11.46 | AnduinLothar | don't use message() |
| 05:11.57 | Duman | heh |
| 05:12.05 | cog|book | no u? |
| 05:12.07 | cog|book | :P |
| 05:13.36 | AnduinLothar | it should only overflow if your message contains an error |
| 05:13.52 | cog|book | message("Hi") |
| 05:13.58 | Fisker- | haxes cog|book |
| 05:14.00 | cog|book | oh it's 3.1 btw |
| 05:14.08 | Fisker- | i developed haxing software for cogs |
| 05:15.09 | Duman | coghax |
| 05:15.29 | AnduinLothar | causes the same overflow on live |
| 05:15.42 | cog|book | SLASH_MESSAGE1 = "/message" |
| 05:15.43 | cog|book | SlashCmdList["MESSAGE"] = function(msg) message(msg) |
| 05:15.43 | cog|book | end |
| 05:15.46 | cog|book | err |
| 05:15.54 | cog|book | grumbles at putty |
| 05:16.00 | cog|book | right-click = paste >< |
| 05:16.50 | AnduinLothar | it's because the IEF ScriptErrors:Show() actually calls message |
| 05:17.54 | AnduinLothar | or rather, IEF hooks it to do as such |
| 05:17.59 | AnduinLothar | not sure why |
| 05:20.18 | AnduinLothar | but wow has print() in it, what're you using message for? |
| 05:20.31 | cog|book | it's just a demonstration |
| 05:21.05 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i have no idea why ScriptErrors.Show is hooked |
| 05:21.20 | Fisker- | kicks cog|book in the nuts and bolts |
| 05:21.35 | tekkub | WTB wowi forum feed minus nUI/Carbonite noise |
| 05:21.47 | tekkub | *poke Cairenn Dolby Dolby Dolby Dolby* |
| 05:22.09 | Cairenn | that's all dolby |
| 05:23.16 | AnduinLothar | cog: it might be legacy code from before seterrorhandler |
| 05:24.38 | AnduinLothar | speaking of which, thanks for reminding me i need to update Portfolio to generate real errors |
| 05:25.08 | tekkub | I know it is, but I figured I'd poke you in case he was ignoring me |
| 05:25.12 | tekkub | like he always does |
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| 05:30.19 | Dolby | tekkub: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/external.php?type=RSS2&forumids=5,6 just add the forum id's you want to follow in rss |
| 05:30.29 | Dolby | i assume your talking about rss |
| 05:31.03 | tekkub | yea I tried the ones for the forum groups I wanted, but they didn't get subforums it seemses |
| 05:31.23 | Dolby | no, just the forum that id is |
| 05:33.06 | Dolby | will see if i can sqz in time to make a form, select forums and generates a url |
| 05:33.50 | tekkub | don't need a forum really, if I make a composite one you could just toss it in the header with the others |
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| 05:35.48 | tekkub | s/forum/form/ |
| 05:40.10 | Thunder_Child | well, who doesnt need a keyring breathalizer! |
| 05:40.19 | Thunder_Child | breathalyzer* |
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| 05:41.13 | msou| | Morning |
| 05:42.52 | Thunder_Child | wow...naxx25 in 1hour 12 min |
| 05:44.26 | Thunder_Child | Blizzard's new MMO |
| 05:44.26 | Thunder_Child | We haven't announced anything on the new project. We probably won't for awhile. |
| 05:44.32 | Thunder_Child | Ã is curious |
| 05:45.13 | msou| | and I just learnt the LFG thingie |
| 05:45.38 | msou| | except yesterday one was bitching "he cannot be tank" and I was the best among them armor/weapon wise |
| 05:46.13 | msou| | Yes I'm new but we can play/learn/ and most important have fun, which is something a lot of ppl misunderstand |
| 05:50.12 | Fisker- | giggles at cog|book |
| 05:52.56 | Mysticell | shrugs. Who knows? |
| 05:53.04 | cog|book | FSM knows |
| 06:03.10 | Mysticell | Fire-Shitting Monkeys? |
| 06:04.09 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "Fire-Shitting Monkeys?" - Mysticell |
| 06:04.20 | Mysticell | lmao |
| 06:04.37 | End | oh |
| 06:04.47 | End | that's close I guess :P |
| 06:05.02 | End | flying spaghetti monster I'm guessing |
| 06:05.28 | Mysticell | Hmm... |
| 06:05.54 | End | the only thing that came to mind for me was finite state machine, but that didn't fit, so I had to look it up :P |
| 06:06.54 | Mysticell | I thought it meant something more along the lines of software, but guess not. |
| 06:10.12 | Mysticell | I can't believe the bullshit Blizz did to cog and that they won't reply to his emails. |
| 06:10.55 | msou| | is there a place where I can buy the 16 slots bags by the way? |
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| 06:11.15 | Dagmar | Auction house |
| 06:11.17 | kd3 | tailors |
| 06:11.27 | Dagmar | You don't want to be buying 16-slotters from NPCs. |
| 06:11.34 | msou| | how much will they cost? |
| 06:11.36 | Mysticell | netherweave bags are your best bet |
| 06:11.40 | kd3 | depends on the server |
| 06:11.40 | Mysticell | a few gold each, probably |
| 06:11.41 | Dagmar | Somewhere between 6-10g |
| 06:11.42 | End | is there even an npc that sells 16 slot bags? |
| 06:11.43 | msou| | I'm just tired of getting full inventory |
| 06:12.02 | msou| | what npc stands for by the way? |
| 06:12.07 | End | well, if there is an npc, it'd be overpriced :P |
| 06:12.12 | End | non-player character |
| 06:12.18 | msou| | oh |
| 06:12.36 | msou| | right now I have the 8 statchel brown bag |
| 06:13.19 | End | well, in general, don't buy bags from npcs :P |
| 06:13.25 | Dagmar | So like, for now, unless you have a twink around someplace, just buy whatever is cheap on the AH that you can afford |
| 06:13.37 | Dagmar | Small bags are better than no bags |
| 06:14.29 | msou| | indeed, I just wish I knew about auctioneer when I started, I'd be bling bling by now :) |
| 06:14.37 | Dagmar | Oh, and if this is your first time playin', the monsters you kill will actually drop bags occasionally |
| 06:14.51 | End | it's pretty random though |
| 06:14.52 | Mysticell | I remember back when I Was level 20 or so I already had 700g from auctions and stuff |
| 06:15.05 | End | and they don't drop above 16 slot, excluding raid bosses |
| 06:15.05 | msou| | I'm lvl 27 so far. 2 more lvls and I get my first horse |
| 06:15.20 | Thunder_Child | isnt it 30? |
| 06:15.24 | msou| | Mysticell: I didn't know about it. |
| 06:15.33 | Dagmar | Okay so you surely can afford to dig into the auction house for 12-slot bags at that level at least |
| 06:15.38 | msou| | Thunder_Child: yeah 30, 2000 xp and I lvl to 28 |
| 06:16.04 | End | how much gold do you have? |
| 06:16.20 | msou| | Dagmar: I'm still a bit confused with the AH. I just know how to sell and buy armor.. couldn't find the bags nor know which gategory its under |
| 06:16.21 | ZorbaTHut | so far I've bought 12 gigantique bags :( |
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| 06:16.26 | End | ZorbaTHut: wow |
| 06:16.33 | msou| | End: hmm, 150G |
| 06:16.34 | End | I've only bought 3 |
| 06:16.37 | ZorbaTHut | msou, the easiest way is to look for "bags" on wowhead, find the bags you want, then do a text search |
| 06:16.40 | End | msou|: oh yeah, you can afford all 16 slotterds |
| 06:16.43 | End | slotters* |
| 06:16.53 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: will do it, thanks |
| 06:16.56 | End | although, now the gigantique are more expensive than glacial |
| 06:16.59 | ZorbaTHut | but what you want to look for is "Netherweave Bag" |
| 06:16.59 | Dagmar | msou|: Well, they're under Containers->Bag actually |
| 06:17.03 | msou| | End: if I can find them! :) |
| 06:17.05 | Dagmar | End: As it should be |
| 06:17.08 | ZorbaTHut | end, on my server nobody's bothering with crafting glacials yet |
| 06:17.11 | msou| | Ah, much thanks |
| 06:17.18 | msou| | Dagmar: will look for them today |
| 06:17.22 | End | there's a few on my server's AH |
| 06:17.39 | msou| | I didn't know there was a 16 slots bags or even more |
| 06:17.49 | Dagmar | If you can't beat NPC prices on stuff you make, you're doing something horribly wrong. |
| 06:17.54 | msou| | a friend of mine on a def server sent me bags 16, 14, 10 and 8 |
| 06:17.55 | End | I'd say find a hodir exalted tailor and by the cloth by hand though |
| 06:18.04 | ZorbaTHut | msou, gigantique bags and glacial bags are 22-slot |
| 06:18.11 | ZorbaTHut | 1200 gold each for gigantiques ;) |
| 06:18.24 | End | yeah, but don't worry about 22 slot bags yet ;-) |
| 06:18.32 | Dagmar | You really don't need anything but the 16 slotters unless you get into a serious mess with carrying four sets of gear around or something |
| 06:18.43 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: imma need those definitely.. but I don't buy things if they're over 10G to be honest. I don't know if I should save G or buy now and worry about the G later |
| 06:18.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I usually buy 16-slot for characters, then when it's clear I'm gonna be playing it for a while, I fork over for the 22-slot bags |
| 06:19.01 | Dagmar | I've populated my bank and inventory with 20-slotters, but the personal inventory came last after I got the mechano chopper |
| 06:19.03 | End | glacial are 600-800g per on my server :P |
| 06:19.04 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a lot of money and the extra space is fantastic |
| 06:19.11 | ZorbaTHut | end, lucky SOB |
| 06:19.23 | msou| | Well, with this char I'd hit lvl 55 and start a DK |
| 06:19.33 | End | hey, I bought gigantique when they came out like the rest of you guys |
| 06:19.37 | msou| | with the DK I'd be loosing all spells or does he have a special ones? |
| 06:19.37 | Dagmar | msou|: Heh. That's actually what I did on a new server I started on recently |
| 06:19.51 | End | although, I might put glacial in my bank |
| 06:19.54 | ZorbaTHut | msou, he's got his own unique spells and inventory. he's a completely different character |
| 06:19.55 | msou| | Dagmar: it took me a while to lvl 27 ;) |
| 06:19.55 | Dagmar | msou|: the DK would be a separate character |
| 06:20.01 | msou| | Dagmar: a month or more to hit lvl 55 for me |
| 06:20.09 | Dagmar | msou|: If this is your first toon, how are you going to make a DK? |
| 06:20.10 | End | way too much gear laying around I don't want to destroy |
| 06:20.21 | Dagmar | You've got to have at least *one* character to 70 before you're allowed to make a DK. |
| 06:20.26 | msou| | Dagmar: once I hit lvl 55? |
| 06:20.46 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, isn't it 55? |
| 06:20.46 | msou| | I thought you have to hit lvl 55, that's all you need |
| 06:20.52 | Dagmar | Might be 55 then |
| 06:20.56 | End | it's 55 |
| 06:21.02 | Dagmar | Not much use in making a new 55 just to twink another 55 tho |
| 06:21.37 | msou| | DK and kill those buggers who corpse/camp me |
| 06:21.38 | Dagmar | Kind of a nice change of pace just to make one to go through the intro missions tho |
| 06:21.59 | Dagmar | Meh. Easiest way to avoid corpse-camping it to just play on a PvE server |
| 06:22.05 | Dagmar | s/it/is/; |
| 06:22.23 | msou| | I play on a full pvp server :/ |
| 06:22.39 | cog|sleep | plans to dream of Fire-shitting monkeys |
| 06:23.06 | Dagmar | The PvP servers seem to attract quite a few more griefers than the pvE servers |
| 06:23.25 | Mysticell | ^_^ |
| 06:23.30 | End | I found myself getting camped on an alt (getting two-shotted by a hunter one level above me), but he started leaving me alone when I'd make sure to aggro a bunch of mobs before he killed me |
| 06:23.33 | msou| | yesterday was killed by night elf druid lvl 80. the day before draenei |
| 06:23.45 | msou| | not really, my only friend plays on kazzak |
| 06:23.45 | End | somehow he didn't appreciate running back too |
| 06:23.57 | End | (yes, I could have brought my main, but everyone does that!) |
| 06:23.59 | Dagmar | Yeah I've had level 80 twits repeatedly killing my freaking 61 DK on that PvP server |
| 06:24.15 | msou| | I heard you can report them |
| 06:24.21 | Mysticell | *can't |
| 06:24.21 | Dagmar | There's not much point |
| 06:24.23 | msou| | don't know how |
| 06:24.43 | Dagmar | 1. Some GM would have to respnd fast enough to see it, and if you spend two hours being repeatedly killed by the same guys, you're just a masochist. |
| 06:24.48 | AnduinLothar | cog|sleep: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4333-ImprovedErrorFrame.html |
| 06:24.59 | msou| | Well right now I just want to get few dungeons done... I know how to look for a group and autojoin it |
| 06:25.01 | Dagmar | 2. You can pretty much just go ahead and take the graveyard res and be home free most of the time |
| 06:25.04 | End | They usually won't do anything, unless guards are being exploited or something |
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| 06:25.08 | msou| | just on't know how to leave that particular group |
| 06:25.20 | Dagmar | Well, try to avoid using auto-join |
| 06:25.43 | msou| | if I don't do auto-join it won't search or I just misunderstood the concept |
| 06:25.50 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "Fire-Shitting Monkeys?" - Mysticell | Addons are like tacos but they aren't llamas |
| 06:25.52 | Dagmar | If you actually talk to the people you're about to group with for a minute or two before you join them, the chances they're not complete idiots goes up by about a million, IMHO |
| 06:26.14 | Thunder_Child | Humble? |
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| 06:26.39 | msou| | I don't know much about WoW :) Most of the quest I did alone except 1 cause it was marked as group quest in ghostland |
| 06:26.46 | Esamynn | Dagmar: wait, you want to TALK to people on WoW? :P |
| 06:26.51 | Dagmar | You could have killed that spider monster by yourself |
| 06:26.59 | Dagmar | It just would ahev been a really tough fight. |
| 06:27.00 | msou| | everyday I get to know something new i.e. yesterday I knew about /1,2,3 etc |
| 06:27.16 | Dagmar | Esamynn: yes, because it weeds out the guys who are chewing on their keyboards |
| 06:27.29 | Esamynn | msou|: lol, when I started, it took me FOREVER to figure out how to use the zone channels |
| 06:27.50 | Dagmar | There's a lot of couples in my guild on the PvE server, so we frequently wind up picking some random bloke to fill out the group |
| 06:27.52 | msou| | Esamynn: I have to figure the LFG thing :) |
| 06:28.01 | Dagmar | The ones that don't talk are the ones that get you killed. |
| 06:28.05 | Esamynn | heh |
| 06:28.14 | Esamynn | night |
| 06:28.23 | Dagmar | Horrifyingly, we've actually picked up people for Zul'Farrak that didnt' even know what raid markers were |
| 06:28.25 | msou| | or know how to join a group without autojoin |
| 06:28.49 | Dagmar | msou|: Well, basically, they invite you and you get a dialog box on the screen that asks you to click the Join Group button |
| 06:28.59 | Dagmar | If they can't figure out how to invite you, that's another warning sign |
| 06:29.13 | End | in my day, we didn't have raid markers! |
| 06:29.25 | msou| | dungeon is a group thing, I don't know what raid stands for tbh |
| 06:29.26 | End | (also, fuck garr) |
| 06:29.28 | Dagmar | End: Yeah but now we're like Pavlov's dog with the |
| 06:29.29 | Dagmar | m |
| 06:29.37 | AnduinLothar | in my day we didn't have Zul'Farrak |
| 06:29.43 | airtonix | whats the website called that exposes all the lua & xml for the base set of blizzard interfaces? |
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| 06:29.57 | Dagmar | You put a skull up on something in front of my people and we'll just whack on it until our fingers get tired |
| 06:30.08 | Cairenn | ~wowcompares |
| 06:30.09 | purl | from memory, wowcompares is http://wowcompares.com |
| 06:30.12 | airtonix | cheers |
| 06:31.03 | Dagmar | msou|: Well, raids are basically Yet Another Dungeon, but with meaner monsters, better loot, oh and you'll need to go in in groups of 10, 25, sometimes 40 people (old raids) |
| 06:31.09 | Dagmar | Big NASTY dungeons |
| 06:32.01 | End | you'll probably never do a raid with 40 people :P |
| 06:32.22 | End | (excluding AV or city raids, but that's pvp) |
| 06:32.23 | Dagmar | You'll wind up going back in with like 12 people who were slightly bored when you're 80. :) |
| 06:32.24 | kd3 | unless it's AV |
| 06:32.39 | msou| | oi |
| 06:32.49 | msou| | hehehe |
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| 06:32.56 | Dagmar | I had to almost confess to my guild leader last week that I'd been soloing in Zul'Gurub for leather. Hehe |
| 06:32.57 | msou| | sounds like fun |
| 06:33.15 | End | for leather? not mounts? |
| 06:33.26 | Dagmar | Yeah, I needed the type of leather that dropped in there. |
| 06:33.27 | msou| | mounts == XP points? |
| 06:33.29 | tekkub | leathermounts |
| 06:33.29 | airtonix | is there also a website that exposes all the textures used by the base set of blizzard interfaces? |
| 06:33.30 | Dagmar | There's a LOT of them |
| 06:33.50 | airtonix | or do i have to browse my own local files for those textures? |
| 06:33.51 | AnduinLothar | no air |
| 06:33.53 | End | no, mounts = cat or raptor you can ride on in this case |
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| 06:33.57 | Dagmar | msou|: Some bosses drop ridable/summonable mounts |
| 06:34.05 | AnduinLothar | yes, you have to browse and convert them all from blp |
| 06:34.10 | airtonix | ok |
| 06:34.13 | msou| | oh |
| 06:34.18 | Dagmar | I seem to be damned to riding goats forever, so I don't bother with the mounts. |
| 06:34.30 | End | Dagmar: you ride draenei? |
| 06:34.32 | msou| | getting my first horse soon! ;) |
| 06:34.34 | Dagmar | ...but old world raid or not, Zul'Gurub has a lot of skinnable mobs in a small place. :) |
| 06:34.35 | AnduinLothar | using the add AddOn Kit to extract them |
| 06:34.38 | msou| | well probably by the weekend |
| 06:34.45 | Dagmar | End: If I could I would. |
| 06:34.58 | msou| | from lvl 27 to 30 is way to much work |
| 06:35.02 | Dagmar | Honestly, the main reason I bought the mekgineer's chopper was to have something OTHER than a freaking goat to ride on |
| 06:35.09 | End | all my horses are made of fire |
| 06:35.20 | msou| | how can you do that? |
| 06:35.32 | msou| | I see ppl with lightning feet |
| 06:35.38 | msou| | don't know how they do it |
| 06:35.48 | Dagmar | msou|: deathknight and warlock mounts have flaming hooves |
| 06:35.52 | Dagmar | ...byt default. |
| 06:35.54 | Fisker- | Mr. Dagmar |
| 06:35.55 | End | yup |
| 06:35.56 | Dagmar | s/byt/byt/; |
| 06:35.57 | End | <-- warlock |
| 06:35.58 | Dagmar | Yo |
| 06:35.59 | msou| | oh I see |
| 06:36.08 | msou| | <-- paladin |
| 06:36.12 | msou| | don't know what will I get |
| 06:36.14 | End | there's two other horses too with fire |
| 06:36.20 | msou| | horse yes but a basic one I suppose |
| 06:36.22 | Dagmar | Well, it's mainly dictated by your race. |
| 06:36.28 | End | er, attunmen's has fire, right? |
| 06:36.39 | Dagmar | Paladins have a class-specific mount too now don't they |
| 06:36.40 | Dagmar | ? |
| 06:36.45 | End | yes |
| 06:36.50 | Dagmar | Yeah, Attumen's looks like a 'lock horse to me |
| 06:37.11 | End | paladins have had an epic class mount as long as warlocks have |
| 06:37.14 | Dagmar | Dwarves get a goat mount, and at Brewfest, what did I win? Another freaking goat. |
| 06:37.23 | Dagmar | End: I don't think so. |
| 06:37.36 | Dagmar | I dont' recall them having it at the outset, but then that was in closed beta |
| 06:37.50 | End | warlocks didn't get their epic class mount until dire maul was released |
| 06:37.54 | msou| | Brb, work :) |
| 06:37.59 | Dagmar | I'll take your word on it |
| 06:38.05 | Dagmar | I had teleports in beta |
| 06:38.13 | Dagmar | I never even bought a mount. |
| 06:38.32 | End | so far as I remember, paladins got their epic mount quest at the same time |
| 06:38.35 | Dagmar | EverQuest had trained me to put up with a lot of bs running around. |
| 06:38.42 | End | but I didn't care as much because I play horde |
| 06:39.00 | Dagmar | Der yeah that's why I don't recall seeing them around much |
| 06:39.07 | Dagmar | I was playing trolls then |
| 06:40.03 | End | oh |
| 06:40.19 | End | it was actually added for both in the patch after dire maul |
| 06:40.33 | End | dire maul was 1.3, warlock/paladin epic mounts were 1.4 |
| 06:40.50 | Dagmar | With the Argent Tournament going in, the "I hate this mount" problem will be going away even more tho |
| 06:40.55 | End | yea |
| 06:41.03 | Dagmar | I'm pleased as punch about that |
| 06:41.21 | Dagmar | Sadness. I actually hit Exalted with Ironforge on the PTR. |
| 06:41.56 | Dagmar | Once you can champion another city tho, getting their mount is easy work |
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| 06:43.24 | Dagmar | I'm glad the jousts are reasonably doable again tho |
| 06:43.49 | Cairenn | huggles Sargeras |
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| 06:45.22 | kd3 | whee, gfx driver memory leaks are <3 |
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| 06:46.16 | AbsolutRayne | Ho hum |
| 06:52.27 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: got the dogtag? |
| 06:53.08 | Fisker- | i'm gonna tag your dogs |
| 06:53.30 | Stanzilla | I'm going to fisker your Fisker- |
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| 06:59.40 | kd3 | oh ouch. actually took fall damage from one of the lava tornadoes in sarth |
| 06:59.59 | End | lol |
| 07:00.16 | msou| | so mounts is something you ride, what about summon |
| 07:00.26 | End | what do you mean? |
| 07:00.26 | msou| | is the thing you do to get the mount? |
| 07:00.35 | End | kinda |
| 07:00.38 | kd3 | you "summon" your mount |
| 07:00.47 | End | it's in your pet tab of your character sheet |
| 07:01.03 | kd3 | just imagine that your mount's always following you around, hiding behind trees and the like. you just call it when you're ready to use it |
| 07:01.05 | End | and you summon it by clicking there, or dragging it to your action bar and clicking that button |
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| 07:01.09 | End | haha |
| 07:01.21 | End | kd3 believes in the ninjamount theory of mount storage |
| 07:01.35 | msou| | kd3: ah I see ppl do some wierd stuff in hands and boom a horse that's a summon :) |
| 07:01.41 | End | personally, I have very large pockets |
| 07:01.53 | msou| | End: you're so greedy :p |
| 07:02.18 | End | I don't loan my gold out, that's all |
| 07:02.19 | theorbtwo | Hm, does calling your mount not require mana/energy/mage/whateveryourclasscallsit? |
| 07:02.24 | msou| | hehe |
| 07:02.26 | kd3 | nope |
| 07:02.33 | msou| | End: I never asked for a loan, actually |
| 07:02.34 | kd3 | it's a physical ability |
| 07:02.43 | msou| | one time someone wanted me to sign a guild and didn't knowwhat guild is |
| 07:02.44 | theorbtwo | Interesting. |
| 07:02.49 | End | class specific mounts like dreadsteed/charger used to |
| 07:02.53 | msou| | so what I did is close the window and he offered me 2G and I refused |
| 07:02.59 | End | but they're "proper" mounts in the pet tab now |
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| 07:03.13 | msou| | I see ppl beg for G in orgimmar |
| 07:03.36 | theorbtwo | Do people really do that? I always figured they'd cheat me out of the gold anyway. |
| 07:03.47 | msou| | I like exploring around, was amazed in silvermoon |
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| 07:03.57 | End | which, give gold to get people to sign their charter? |
| 07:04.03 | theorbtwo | End: Yeah. |
| 07:04.07 | End | yes |
| 07:04.09 | msou| | theorbtwo: I've seen couple and the lvl 80 says "say please" etc |
| 07:04.28 | msou| | End: I didn't sign it |
| 07:04.36 | msou| | didn't like the attitude |
| 07:04.49 | msou| | but a feiend of mine told me you help ppl by signing a guild andleave later |
| 07:04.55 | kd3 | yup |
| 07:04.56 | End | yeah |
| 07:04.57 | msou| | so I did sign one yesterday and left |
| 07:05.15 | End | I created a guild for my alts for that |
| 07:05.28 | End | (well, once upon a time it was for my main, but that's a long time ago) |
| 07:05.36 | msou| | hehe |
| 07:05.43 | theorbtwo | Maybe I should do that for a while to get my mount money. It's going to be quite a battle for me, I'm pretty crap at making money so far. |
| 07:05.52 | msou| | I just bought stuff yesterday, better armor and necklec |
| 07:05.55 | msou| | s |
| 07:06.04 | End | there's not people asking for charter signatures every day |
| 07:06.52 | msou| | no the guy who offered the 2g was in silvermoon |
| 07:06.59 | msou| | a week or two it was |
| 07:07.14 | msou| | yesterday in orgimmar after I knew it's helping ppl and you can leave :) |
| 07:07.27 | foxlit | [2009/04/06 21:45:04-357-x1]: Error: Original call failed while running hooks: GameTooltip.SetHyperlink: |
| 07:07.27 | foxlit | Auc-Advanced-5.4.4128 (WallabyII)\Libs\LibExtraTip\LibExtraTip.lua:251: GameTooltip:SetHyperlink(): Unknown link type(tail call): ? |
| 07:07.30 | msou| | but I see in general chats ppl ask for signing every now and then |
| 07:07.42 | End | foxlit: fail |
| 07:07.47 | foxlit | Dear Auctioneer: @#$@ you too. There's a reason I'm pcalling that tooltip. |
| 07:08.27 | theorbtwo | foxlit: Don't do it as a tail call, then? |
| 07:08.49 | msou| | End: my armor looks like a greek fighter |
| 07:08.53 | msou| | a spartan :) |
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| 07:09.02 | foxlit | It's not my tail call, theorbtwo |
| 07:09.10 | theorbtwo | Hm. |
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| 07:09.47 | foxlit | http://www.pastey.net/111807 << count the number of pcalls, in fact |
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| 07:11.22 | NeoTron | just did a Sarth 3D kill without killing drakes. pretty fun |
| 07:11.48 | End | 8 dps? |
| 07:12.00 | Fisker- | reported for exploitation |
| 07:12.07 | Fisker- | What server you on NeoTron ? |
| 07:12.14 | End | ~lart Fisker- |
| 07:12.14 | purl | eats Fisker- and falls over dead |
| 07:12.24 | End | bad troll, eh purl? |
| 07:12.24 | digmouse | 76 secs? |
| 07:13.34 | End | you have longer than 76 seconds |
| 07:13.41 | End | not much though |
| 07:13.55 | digmouse | 85 secs iirc |
| 07:14.10 | End | yeah, that sounds right |
| 07:14.16 | digmouse | Sarth is gonna enrage and invulnenable after that |
| 07:14.23 | NeoTron | yep 8 dps |
| 07:14.25 | NeoTron | mixed too |
| 07:14.31 | End | cool |
| 07:14.36 | End | I want to try it that way |
| 07:14.53 | End | partially because we only have enough tanks for one 10man run if we do it the "right way" |
| 07:15.06 | End | but possibly two different groups if we zerg it |
| 07:15.19 | Fisker- | reported for exploitation as well End |
| 07:15.22 | NeoTron | dk, rogue, enhance shaman, magex2, boomkin, SP, warlock |
| 07:15.26 | NeoTron | warrior tank, disc priest healing |
| 07:15.49 | End | I bet you report people for killing KJ at level 80 too |
| 07:16.02 | Fisker- | why? |
| 07:16.09 | NeoTron | not an exploit |
| 07:16.12 | foxlit | whines at Tem. |
| 07:16.21 | End | because they zerg that too :P |
| 07:16.25 | Fisker- | exactly NeoTron killing KJ isn't an exploit |
| 07:16.27 | NeoTron | if they didn't want that to work they would make him immortal earlier |
| 07:17.01 | Fisker- | They don't make him immortal to stop you from zerging down duh |
| 07:17.09 | End | or they wouldn't tie it to his acolyte |
| 07:17.32 | msou| | something stranger happened to me yesterday, I was walking and yet it seems some invisible one is hitting me |
| 07:17.48 | msou| | I asked and the guy told me you're probably bugged... didn't understand what he meant |
| 07:17.54 | zenzio | I've had a raptor attack me in Durotar while I was in ghost form |
| 07:17.56 | msou| | bugged as in glitch ingame? |
| 07:18.18 | End | you could kill his acolyte and wait for the immunity to disappear, if you really wanted, but if you go that long, sarth probably enraged his drakes |
| 07:19.08 | Fisker- | The reason why he enrage his drakes is to prevent you from doing that to begin with |
| 07:19.28 | Fisker- | This is no different than naxx40 where people kited patchwerk after the enrage to still get a kill |
| 07:19.31 | Fisker- | exploiting |
| 07:19.57 | Thunder_Child | lol "He's german, he's emotional" |
| 07:20.08 | theorbtwo | Fisker-: That, or strategy. |
| 07:20.21 | Fisker- | naw |
| 07:20.57 | theorbtwo | What's the difference? |
| 07:21.55 | Fisker- | Apples and oranges |
| 07:22.14 | End | unless you know what Blizzard intends, it's just fruit |
| 07:22.39 | Fisker- | no |
| 07:22.47 | Fisker- | Strategy is the common denominator |
| 07:23.02 | Fisker- | You can have a strategy that's an exploit, or one that's not |
| 07:23.13 | End | so you can have an orange that's an apple? |
| 07:23.28 | Fisker- | exactly not |
| 07:23.35 | foxlit | Nechckn: boo! hiss! |
| 07:23.42 | End | you're not making much sense |
| 07:23.52 | Fisker- | You're not making much sense |
| 07:24.09 | foxlit | grumbles. Why must everyone be asleep? |
| 07:24.19 | End | ~lart Fisker- |
| 07:24.19 | purl | blasts Fisker- to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 07:24.22 | Fisker- | i'm not asleep |
| 07:24.30 | Fisker- | Failed arguments are failed |
| 07:24.34 | NeoTron | Fisker- is just bitter because he got tagged for exploiting candy |
| 07:24.46 | Fisker- | corn patrol NeoTron |
| 07:24.48 | NeoTron | he thinks everything is an exploit now, or rather, wishes it was |
| 07:24.53 | End | Fisker-: you're telling me! |
| 07:24.54 | Fisker- | No. |
| 07:25.01 | Fisker- | I know exploits are exploits |
| 07:25.11 | Fisker- | The thing is i also knows Blizzard won't give a shit |
| 07:25.20 | Fisker- | which is a shame given people scoring achievements and mounts of this |
| 07:25.50 | theorbtwo | Fisker-: So what makes the strategy of luring patchwerk to where you have superior forces, or the strategy of doing a strath 3d without killing the drakes, explotitive rather then creative? |
| 07:26.00 | Fisker- | People arguing this isn't an exploit is just fishing for an excuse to make themself feel better |
| 07:26.02 | digmouse | Question: what will you use to pay online if Paypal isnt available |
| 07:26.15 | Mysticell | credit card? |
| 07:26.19 | digmouse | or say, any other pay ways beside Paypal? |
| 07:26.26 | theorbtwo | Note that I don't know the specifics of either of these fights. |
| 07:26.29 | Fisker- | theorbtwo it defeats the purpose of the encounter |
| 07:26.58 | Fisker- | To combat this exploit they let patchwerk gain an insane amount of runspeed when enrage |
| 07:27.20 | Fisker- | That they haven't fixed Sartharion yet doesn't mean it's not an exploit though |
| 07:27.21 | theorbtwo | Fisker-: Surely the purpose of the encounter is to kill the bad guy? |
| 07:27.35 | Mysticell | The 76 second zerg kill? |
| 07:28.00 | Fisker- | It's just a shame they're so high on their horse "Omg achievements, serious business, you gonna get raepd if you mess with them" and then pretend like nothing happened when people exploit their encounters and wait a few weeks if not months with fixing it |
| 07:28.26 | Mysticell | GM's still aren't able to do anything with achievements yet from what I hear |
| 07:28.27 | End | I'm still not sure how you consider it an exploit, though. I hear of people clearing Sunwell at 80, and they always say they just zerged him down. Are you saying they're exploiting? |
| 07:28.50 | Fisker- | nope |
| 07:28.59 | Fisker- | Cause a zerg isn't the exploit |
| 07:29.27 | Fisker- | Mysticell they can actually do something, though not that great |
| 07:29.28 | End | then what is? they're killing sarth before all the drakes can land and wipe the raid. |
| 07:29.34 | Fisker- | They took my achievements away but i regained them after a patch |
| 07:29.44 | Fisker- | Told them again and i regained them a third time |
| 07:29.51 | foxlit | End: drakes land ~15 seconds in |
| 07:29.57 | Fisker- | yes |
| 07:30.00 | End | all the drakes |
| 07:30.04 | Fisker- | And the drakes enrage to kill you |
| 07:30.14 | Fisker- | You remove the drakes from play by taunting them away and running |
| 07:30.30 | foxlit | See, the issue isn't "we have a fuckton of DPS" |
| 07:30.51 | foxlit | It's "we use an unintended mechanic to kite things long enough to kill things" |
| 07:31.09 | Fisker- | If it was before drake one or they could endure the drakes enraging (without taunting them away) then i'd atleast say you don't deserved to be branded as exploiters |
| 07:31.13 | Fisker- | the encounter should still be fixed |
| 07:31.17 | Fisker- | But atleast you did it legit |
| 07:31.24 | theorbtwo | Sounds like a completely reasonable strategy to me. |
| 07:31.32 | End | so it's okay to zerg him at 90 then? :P |
| 07:31.45 | Fisker- | Why shouldn't it be? |
| 07:31.50 | foxlit | You wouldn't be exploiting kiting at 90. |
| 07:31.59 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 07:32.06 | foxlit | theorbtwo: while that may be your opinion, they've patched similar things in the past. |
| 07:32.11 | End | so it's only legit if the tank can live though it? |
| 07:32.26 | End | through* |
| 07:33.21 | foxlit | It'd never be legit. |
| 07:33.45 | Fisker- | Yeah as i said i wouldn't consider it exploitation as such, but it should still be fixed |
| 07:34.00 | End | So what makes it exploiting? |
| 07:34.34 | foxlit | Abuse of game mechanics :) |
| 07:34.38 | Fisker- | yep |
| 07:34.45 | foxlit | It's the same reason whoever soloed Naxx on a mage got wiped. |
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| 07:35.10 | Fisker- | Yeah at the very least you could say he wasn't even exploiting the game |
| 07:35.16 | foxlit | "But hey, if you didn't want me to do this, you could've just made that bone shield not spell steal-able!" |
| 07:35.18 | End | you'll have to specific what game mechanic being exploited |
| 07:35.28 | foxlit | ^name |
| 07:36.00 | Fisker- | End when something goes into a berserk it's because the player did something wrong |
| 07:36.07 | foxlit | Movement speed, I presume. |
| 07:36.24 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 07:36.27 | jnwhiteh | mother fucking isiots. |
| 07:36.35 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 07:36.39 | jnwhiteh | I was just asked to "Ace" the second edition of wow programming |
| 07:36.39 | Cairenn | what's wrong jnwhiteh? |
| 07:36.43 | Cairenn | o |
| 07:36.44 | Cairenn | m |
| 07:36.45 | Cairenn | g |
| 07:36.49 | Fisker- | On patchwerk you have 6 minutes to kill him, if you don't do it in 6 minutes then he berserks, when he berserks he wipes the raid. |
| 07:37.00 | jnwhiteh | "Any chance that the chapter dedicated to Addon Studio might be replaced with a more useful chapter on Ace-based addon development? And if not replace, then add some Ace coverage?" |
| 07:37.02 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh: they were joking, right? |
| 07:37.02 | jnwhiteh | vomits |
| 07:37.03 | Fisker- | On sartharion you have to kill the drakes before killing sartharion, if you don't the drakes berserk |
| 07:37.05 | End | I've killed bosses after berserk as the boss is wiping the raid before |
| 07:37.07 | jnwhiteh | Cairenn: no. |
| 07:37.15 | Cairenn | oy |
| 07:37.28 | End | some bosses can take up to 20 seconds to wipe a raid |
| 07:37.31 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: asked by who? |
| 07:37.35 | Fisker- | Yep |
| 07:37.37 | jnwhiteh | a reader |
| 07:37.41 | Fisker- | and as i said if you can do that, then fine |
| 07:38.01 | Fisker- | But you're still effectively negating the berserk on sartharion |
| 07:38.14 | Fisker- | So either try to dps him down with berserk up, or don't do anything at all |
| 07:38.14 | zenzio | End: this is Fisker-, why ado you bother trying to convince him? |
| 07:38.19 | End | zenzio: I dunno |
| 07:38.30 | zenzio | and how did "do" become "ado" o_O |
| 07:38.38 | msou| | Is it a bug in game when you walk and you just see your blood flying out of your body and no one is near you etc? happened to me yesterday while I was walking to undercity castle |
| 07:38.38 | Fisker- | convince me of what? |
| 07:38.41 | foxlit | Meh, Fisker- actually has a point :) |
| 07:38.50 | foxlit | Might even have to do |
| 07:38.50 | Fisker- | Trying to tell yourself you're not exploiting? |
| 07:38.52 | foxlit | ~Fisker-++ |
| 07:38.56 | Fisker- | fu |
| 07:38.58 | Fisker- | I don't care what you think |
| 07:39.00 | Fisker- | It is exploiting |
| 07:39.09 | Fisker- | If you want to feel better about yourself, then so be it |
| 07:39.13 | End | I can't tell where your line is |
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| 07:39.36 | End | it's not exploiting at 90 but it is at 80? |
| 07:39.46 | zenzio | Fisker-: it's a matter of opinion. Until Blizzard says it is an exploit, I don't consider it one |
| 07:39.59 | foxlit | That tactic (taunt drakes in berserk to avoid them eating tank) would still be exploiting at 90 |
| 07:40.12 | NeoTron | Fisker-: we didn't taunt a drake and run away. out tank tanked the drake. |
| 07:40.19 | foxlit | The game design is clearly that you're *supposed* to kill drakes first. |
| 07:40.22 | Fisker- | Right NeoTron |
| 07:40.25 | NeoTron | used shield wall, last stand, trinkets and pain suppression |
| 07:40.26 | foxlit | They wouldn't *berserk* otherwise. |
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| 07:40.38 | Fisker- | NeoTron fraps or it didn't happen |
| 07:40.55 | zenzio | Blizzard didn't like it when people ranged-taunted Brutalus, so they fixed it. If they don't appreciate this tactic, they'll make that impossible too |
| 07:40.58 | NeoTron | http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/2863399#damageout |
| 07:41.08 | End | a tank -might- be able to live through it at 90 though. If WoW continues as is, there's eventually going to be a point where you can tank berserked drakes |
| 07:41.23 | Fisker- | zenzio you're still failing to see that now there's even more incentive to exploit |
| 07:41.34 | Fisker- | You get other rewards than just the kill |
| 07:41.43 | zenzio | I'm not failing to see, I have a different opinion than you |
| 07:41.52 | foxlit | End: if a tank can legitimately stand there and take it, I suppose we can chalk that up to "trivializing content by level difference" |
| 07:41.59 | Fisker- | Their exploitation policy is for you to understand and adhere to |
| 07:42.04 | Fisker- | Not for them to implement patches |
| 07:42.22 | End | well, I think "trivilizing content by gear difference" is something to note too |
| 07:42.38 | End | I'm not sure the actual gear difference you need though |
| 07:42.41 | foxlit | If a 90 tank still has to abuse the run speed difference between themselves and the berserk drake, it's still an exploit. |
| 07:42.44 | Fisker- | That's why they take away the significant rewards |
| 07:43.29 | foxlit | There's a clear fix to this, and it's just to make everything explode the whole raid when it berserks. |
| 07:43.38 | theorbtwo | foxlit: At what point does running away stop being a strategy and start being an exploit? |
| 07:43.43 | NeoTron | http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/eventfilter/2863399/0/1239033398000/0/0x00000000033B9095/0#death the tank death |
| 07:44.08 | foxlit | theorbtwo: by the point you're doing it intentionally to bypass intended encounter design. |
| 07:44.17 | NeoTron | look if they didn't want this method to work it wouldn't work |
| 07:44.20 | End | see, here's my thing: unless someone tells me what the strategy is, I can't always tell the difference between strategy and exploit |
| 07:44.21 | NeoTron | they are not stupid |
| 07:44.37 | End | I used to think you were SUPPOSED to hide behind the wall of spears in ZG |
| 07:44.45 | foxlit | famous last words, NeoTron. |
| 07:44.47 | NeoTron | the berserk is healable using cooldowns for a very short period of time |
| 07:44.48 | theorbtwo | foxlit: so winning by being smarter then your opponent is an exploit? |
| 07:44.54 | NeoTron | he hit the tank for 38k unmitigated |
| 07:44.59 | foxlit | Which brings me back to foxlit: "But hey, if you didn't want me to do this, you could've just made that bone shield not spell steal-able!" |
| 07:45.02 | End | line of sighting things was something you saw a lot in BWL |
| 07:45.11 | End | but it wasn't intended in ZG |
| 07:45.17 | foxlit | theorbtwo: it depends entirely on what you do. |
| 07:45.23 | NeoTron | that said, i got my 3D kill long time ago |
| 07:45.31 | foxlit | But yes, being smarter than the game designers is an exploit :) |
| 07:45.31 | NeoTron | just helping others get it plus it was a fun thing to test |
| 07:45.47 | End | and 38k isn't that much! |
| 07:45.53 | End | look at sarth's breath :( |
| 07:46.03 | Fisker- | NeoTron and you shouldn't get your achievement removed either, but those who did get it should |
| 07:46.14 | Fisker- | But if Blizzard actually took this kinda seriously you would probably lose it |
| 07:46.58 | Fisker- | I'll just have to avoid the corn patrol |
| 07:47.20 | NeoTron | I disagree since I don't think it's an exploit at all |
| 07:47.25 | NeoTron | just an alternative way to do it |
| 07:47.44 | End | I think past a certain gear or level point, it'll end up just the way you do it |
| 07:47.46 | NeoTron | nowhere odes it say "engage sarthion with the three drakes alive, kill the drakes and then sarthiron" |
| 07:47.47 | Fisker- | Which brings us back to just how it's an alternative way to spellsteal a mob's boneshield and go solo an instance |
| 07:47.56 | foxlit | Tenebron's hit Vamis for 23380 damage. << that's with shield wall, last stand and pain suppression up |
| 07:47.58 | NeoTron | there's a rather large difference |
| 07:48.18 | Fisker- | NeoTron nowhere does it tell you the boss tactics |
| 07:48.20 | NeoTron | foxlit: not too disimilar from brutallus with stomp if you ask me |
| 07:48.21 | foxlit | -60% -40% |
| 07:48.32 | foxlit | lua> 23/0.60/0.40 |
| 07:48.33 | lua_bot | foxlit: 95.833333333333 |
| 07:48.43 | foxlit | I'd say you're supposed to die from 95k raw damage. |
| 07:48.51 | End | I'd say that about 70k too |
| 07:48.54 | End | but I'm wrong |
| 07:48.56 | foxlit | (after armor mitigation) |
| 07:48.57 | End | ^_^ |
| 07:49.04 | theorbtwo | foxlit: Clearly you aren't, or you would. |
| 07:49.40 | theorbtwo | If they wanted that to be a nonsurviveable hit, then they could have easily made it do that. |
| 07:49.44 | foxlit | They did |
| 07:49.54 | Fisker- | Just like the mage could survive all the mobs with bone shield |
| 07:49.54 | foxlit | 95k is unsurvivable in any normal circumstances |
| 07:50.00 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 07:50.07 | Fisker- | But abuse of game mechanics make it survivable |
| 07:50.18 | Fisker- | Just like the mage abused game mechanics to make his hits survivable |
| 07:50.25 | End | I wouldn't call popping cooldowns abuse of cooldowns |
| 07:50.44 | Fisker- | I wouldn't call spellstealing a spell an abuse either |
| 07:50.56 | Fisker- | But it is |
| 07:50.56 | End | (er abuse) |
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| 07:52.40 | foxlit | The thing is, it's still enough damage to kill you through any personal cooldowns you might pop |
| 07:53.15 | foxlit | Stacking mitigation cooldowns from multiple classes is so much of an edge case that it probably wasn't considered while designing the berserk buff. |
| 07:53.51 | theorbtwo | If they wanted to make it impossible to survive, they could have had him hit for MAXINT damage. They didn't, so presumably they wanted it to be *very difficult* to survive. |
| 07:54.09 | foxlit | I believe your point is "well, there isn't a neon sign saying what the designers intended here, so it may not be an exploit" |
| 07:54.58 | theorbtwo | foxlit: Basically, my point is that unless there *is* a neon sign, it's taking advantage of every advantage you have in war. |
| 07:55.18 | theorbtwo | If there is a neon sign, then it's not exploiting a mechanic, it's a programming bug. |
| 07:55.26 | Fisker- | That's just not how it is |
| 07:55.56 | foxlit | theorbtwo: a very simple response to which is that there is never a neon sign in advance. |
| 07:56.40 | Fisker- | You could say that the neon sign is berserking |
| 07:56.53 | End | well, I agree it wasn't intended, but like I said earlier, for a long time I thought you were supposed to hide behind the spears in ZG. It wasn't until they announced that wasn't intended (and then they removed some of the spears), that it was obvious to me that they expected everyone to fight him on the other side of the spears |
| 07:56.57 | foxlit | apparently not neon enough. |
| 07:56.59 | Fisker- | If a mob berserks(whether or not you survive it or not) then you're exploiting past that point |
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| 07:57.33 | End | it's a little more obvious what they intend here, but unless they actually change it, past a certain gear/level point, that's just going to be the way you do it |
| 07:57.36 | theorbtwo | foxlit: If an ability's tooltip says it has a timeout of 5 minutes, but you found out that you could use it every 5 seconds, if you unequiped and reequpped it, then that's probably a neon sign. |
| 07:57.42 | theorbtwo | ...but it's also a programming bug. |
| 07:57.43 | Fisker- | There is in my opinion a kind of overlap, but if that's too hard for you to find then go for the berserk instead |
| 07:58.22 | theorbtwo | Huh. I've survived quite a number of bezerking units, and killed them, without doing anything special. |
| 07:58.44 | theorbtwo | They were just ordinary beasts of decidedly lower level then me. |
| 07:59.00 | foxlit | I think you're confusing the "you're fucking up" Berserk with "meh, I'll do some more damage" Berserk. |
| 07:59.02 | Fisker- | Pre-WotLK they had problems with different kinds of berserk |
| 07:59.05 | NeoTron | you fail at combat log |
| 07:59.16 | End | they changed the name in wotlk |
| 07:59.17 | NeoTron | tenebron hit vamis for 22k BEFORE shield wall and PS |
| 07:59.20 | End | it used to be called enrage |
| 07:59.25 | Fisker- | yep |
| 07:59.25 | NeoTron | hits with both up were like 5-7k |
| 07:59.44 | Fisker- | There probably still are some mobs with a bad name though |
| 08:00.02 | End | some mobs had abilities called berserk, but they were supposed to have updated all of them |
| 08:00.05 | NeoTron | he hit for like 38k when enraged |
| 08:00.25 | End | if you missed that they changed it, berserk wouldn't be a neon sign other than he hit a lot harder :P |
| 08:00.26 | foxlit | mm, well caught. |
| 08:00.35 | NeoTron | lua> 7/0.6/0.4 |
| 08:00.36 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 29.166666666667 |
| 08:01.25 | End | also |
| 08:01.34 | End | tbh, I'm a little surprised they didn't remove the drakes in 3.1 |
| 08:02.04 | End | zerg or not, ulduar gear will definitely help trivialize the fight |
| 08:02.15 | NeoTron | but it won't give the protodrake |
| 08:02.20 | Fisker- | They're removing the drake from the meta |
| 08:02.23 | NeoTron | but definitely will give the black drake + title |
| 08:02.31 | End | no, they aren't |
| 08:02.45 | foxlit | Meh, we'll be taunting Mimiron to Vael's room in 3.1. |
| 08:03.01 | End | but besides 6min maly and undying/immortal, I'd say it's the hardest part of the meta |
| 08:03.12 | NeoTron | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?achievement=2137 |
| 08:03.12 | Fisker- | I don't think undying is hard |
| 08:03.14 | NeoTron | they are removing them |
| 08:03.14 | End | and it gives a drake every kill (much like the ZA bear) |
| 08:03.28 | NeoTron | and considering how much ppl fail on undying... I don't find it to be very hard |
| 08:03.34 | Thunder_Child | Wife Beater + White Boxers + Red Tux Coat DOES NOT A GOOD STAGE OUTFIT MAKE! |
| 08:03.40 | NeoTron | End: black drake yes, 310% protodrake no |
| 08:03.41 | End | undying isn't too bad |
| 08:03.49 | NeoTron | I did undying twice |
| 08:03.56 | NeoTron | but ppl failing undying are the ppl failing immortal.. |
| 08:03.57 | End | immortal is terrible :( |
| 08:04.03 | Fisker- | We almost pugged undying a week or so ago |
| 08:04.15 | Syzgyn | All I need left now is Immortal :\ |
| 08:04.18 | Fisker- | Immortal is bad because it's 25 people |
| 08:04.25 | End | indeed |
| 08:04.26 | Fisker- | And our guild is kinda meh on achievements |
| 08:04.48 | Fisker- | So i've only had a real chance in 10-man |
| 08:04.50 | NeoTron | man our near immortal so sucks |
| 08:04.56 | End | NeoTron: well, it never gave a protodrake on kill, unless you happened to get the achievement at the same time |
| 08:05.00 | NeoTron | 20% or so and the mt dc's and dies from void zone |
| 08:05.09 | NeoTron | I pick up KT so no one else dies |
| 08:05.14 | Syzgyn | Way too much dumb luck involved |
| 08:05.20 | End | I like the new way |
| 08:05.20 | Aqua | i hate that shit |
| 08:05.24 | Aqua | dumb luck |
| 08:05.25 | NeoTron | End: people do it primary for the protodrake I'd say |
| 08:05.29 | Syzgyn | but I suppose you could guardian spirit it |
| 08:05.41 | NeoTron | I look forward to Ulduar |
| 08:05.43 | Fisker- | They should make dc'ed people immune, but they probably don't do it because people would just be exploiting with stuff like net limiter |
| 08:05.45 | End | I think the twilight drake looks better than either protodrake personally |
| 08:05.51 | NeoTron | not having a stupid immortal and not requiring it for meta |
| 08:05.56 | End | the new protodrakes are good looking though |
| 08:06.03 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 08:06.08 | NeoTron | we will likely not get immortal |
| 08:06.19 | NeoTron | but if we don't we will definitely get our raiders the ulduar drakes eventually |
| 08:06.31 | foxlit | yeah, who wants to ride a *plagued* proto-drake? |
| 08:06.36 | foxlit | It may just be contagious! |
| 08:06.38 | Aqua | i want a new raiding guild badily... |
| 08:06.42 | nevcairiel | its ugly, too |
| 08:08.47 | End | hm, I'm not sure what I think of the violet proto-drake |
| 08:12.43 | foxlit | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/hot_new_video_game_consists |
| 08:12.57 | foxlit | "solely of shooting people point-blank in the face" |
| 08:13.36 | End | terrible graphics! |
| 08:16.10 | End | I saw a comedy central ad after that clip for a "Krod Mandoon", and I thought it was another onion clip |
| 08:17.36 | AnduinLothar | the demo is epic |
| 08:17.38 | Shirik | wtf foxlit >< |
| 08:22.37 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, i give it a 7/10. it's decent but there isnt enough gore. or gun options. or faces for that matter. |
| 08:22.52 | foxlit | it's all in the sequel! |
| 08:23.04 | foxlit | though the onion does appear to be stuck in 1990 graphics land. |
| 08:23.06 | End | I thought the sequel just had chainsaws |
| 08:23.50 | Aqua | hmm, level a shaman enhance or ele |
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| 08:24.23 | foxlit | and more compelling redemption stories? |
| 08:24.24 | Thunder_Child | nust watch krood |
| 08:24.52 | Thunder_Child | btw, it helps if you catually follow links http://www.closerangegame.com/ |
| 08:24.57 | Thunder_Child | actually* |
| 08:25.00 | Thunder_Child | must* |
| 08:26.28 | Jamash | this is why I don't like having my irc client being part of my web browser |
| 08:26.42 | Jamash | I tried to load the flash at that site and it took down firefox |
| 08:26.56 | End | this is why my irc client is irssi running under a screen session :D |
| 08:27.04 | Thunder_Child | worked for me, also, go get a dedicated irc client then |
| 08:27.30 | End | 02:27 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 70d 2h 46m 23s |
| 08:27.38 | End | hm, that's seems small though |
| 08:27.57 | End | server has been up 212 days though |
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| 08:29.45 | Shirik | Is there a way to "increase" the amount of information dumped to FrameXML.log? |
| 08:30.07 | foxlit | that's just a parser log? |
| 08:30.20 | End | probably only if you managed to stop it from dumping data at all ;-) |
| 08:30.36 | End | it's XML/lua load/OnLoad errors |
| 08:30.38 | foxlit | (what could you possibly want to know?) |
| 08:30.53 | airtonix | cli screen is the awesome |
| 08:30.53 | End | so it's a little bit more than parse errors |
| 08:30.55 | End | but not much |
| 08:31.33 | Shirik | foxlit: It's not giving me any errors, so I want to confirm that it's doing everything correctly |
| 08:31.41 | Shirik | that is, it's not saying something ISN'T loading, so I want it to say something IS loading |
| 08:32.00 | End | that's wrong |
| 08:32.02 | Shirik | because as far as I can tell, something isn't |
| 08:32.09 | End | FrameXML has broken bindings.xml, doesn't it? |
| 08:32.37 | End | you should be getting an error because there's a problem with the actual FrameXML itself, shouldn't you? |
| 08:32.40 | End | checks. |
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| 08:32.58 | End | (last I saw, it was whining about a duplicate entry) |
| 08:33.49 | End | even if I'm wrong, and that error is somehow caused by an AddOn (or they fixed it), I'd be surprised you have no other AddOn generating errors |
| 08:33.55 | End | people tend to not check it |
| 08:34.33 | End | yeah, it's whining about Binding TOGGLECURRENCY in Interface\FrameXML\Bindings.xml...apparently it's defined more than once |
| 08:34.40 | Shirik | ok let me change my question |
| 08:35.01 | foxlit | delete it |
| 08:35.06 | foxlit | and see if it is created again |
| 08:35.19 | End | sorry, I'm guessing it's not showing something about a particular AddOn? |
| 08:35.27 | End | but it shows stuff about other AddOns? |
| 08:35.45 | Shirik | well, it's not showing anything about my addon |
| 08:36.03 | Shirik | however, I have a print() at the top of one of my files, which I've confirmed to be in my toc, and it's not being displayed |
| 08:36.07 | End | ok, I misinterpreted :P |
| 08:36.15 | haleys | Does anyone know if blizzard has a PHP API accessible to access the information on the armory or if there is another developer who has this publicaly available? |
| 08:36.35 | End | you at least checked the AddOns list, right? |
| 08:36.36 | Shirik | haleys, there is an XML API |
| 08:36.40 | Jamash | well, the armory makes extensive use of XML, so it shouldn't be that har |
| 08:36.44 | Jamash | s/har/hard/ |
| 08:36.54 | Shirik | where you can find information on it, I really don't know |
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| 08:37.55 | Riffage | what are you intending to do with the armory? |
| 08:38.10 | Fisker- | http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/article1151412.ece <-oh snap foxlit "mama mia here i go again" |
| 08:38.11 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 08:38.23 | haleys | Hrm, I'll have to take a look into it. |
| 08:38.35 | haleys | Riffage, anything and everything. :0 |
| 08:38.46 | Jamash | I wrote a simple perl app to yoink some data out of the armory and turn it into a google doc |
| 08:39.01 | Riffage | haleys, as in, spidering? |
| 08:39.20 | haleys | I found a thread on elitist jerks, talks about it. Not quite, it's for some tools I'm working on. |
| 08:39.31 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 08:39.33 | Shirik | something's REALLY broken |
| 08:39.45 | Shirik | omg I'm a fricking moron |
| 08:39.49 | foxlit | grats! |
| 08:39.49 | End | lol |
| 08:39.51 | Shirik | I disabled my mod before the raid tonight :( |
| 08:40.06 | Riffage | ok, just dont expect to be able to pull character data for hours on end |
| 08:40.16 | Riffage | you will get blocked by the armory |
| 08:40.18 | End | that's the sort of stupid mistake you don't check :P |
| 08:40.30 | Jamash | ~failrik |
| 08:40.31 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 08:40.43 | Riffage | id suggest contacting some of the existing people/sites who parse the armory |
| 08:41.17 | End | if you try to pull too much data, they'll blacklist you for a day or so |
| 08:41.31 | Riffage | yeah its between 12 hours and 24 |
| 08:41.36 | End | come to think of it, I think they document that on EJ |
| 08:41.39 | Jamash | http://svn.digitalsentience.com/svn/armory/ |
| 08:41.52 | End | that's the sort of thing I stumbled onto on my own though ;-) |
| 08:42.15 | End | (I was only try to pull all of my guilds achievement data!) |
| 08:42.17 | Riffage | yeah, I had a hunt for the values surrounding it, but couldnt really get anything definiative |
| 08:42.34 | Riffage | as it seems that their mechanism for detecting spiders is very fluid |
| 08:42.36 | Riffage | and very clever |
| 08:43.02 | End | it's not hard to avoid |
| 08:43.19 | End | at least, if you're not wanting to grab quite a lot of data |
| 08:43.26 | foxlit | Just send X-Request-By: End |
| 08:44.07 | Riffage | I got a long long list of character names from an addon I made ingame |
| 08:44.14 | Riffage | imported that into a db, then crawled for all their info |
| 08:44.35 | Riffage | pulling one character ever 5minutes with a random 1-45 extra delay |
| 08:44.43 | haleys | So blizzard puts a threshold on how much data a single single site can pull from the armory? |
| 08:44.43 | Riffage | second* |
| 08:44.59 | End | haleys: yes, over a period of seconds or minutes |
| 08:45.01 | Riffage | id still get banned after about 100 pulls |
| 08:45.11 | End | Riffage: really? |
| 08:45.15 | foxlit | I don't know what you're doing. |
| 08:45.18 | Riffage | yeah |
| 08:45.27 | foxlit | But I've easily pulled more and at a greater rate in the past. |
| 08:45.34 | End | I was pulling a lot more data than that when I did it |
| 08:45.46 | End | but I was pulling the same data over and over |
| 08:45.51 | Riffage | this was.. hmm.. 2months ago |
| 08:45.54 | End | (eventually I made a cache) |
| 08:45.56 | Riffage | ive given up since then |
| 08:46.08 | Jamash | pull data via tor ;) |
| 08:46.23 | foxlit | blacklist all tor exit nodes! |
| 08:46.36 | haleys | There are a lot of web sites that have armory data for every character out there, how they are able to do that if blizzard throttles you? |
| 08:47.09 | Riffage | they have multiple machines/ip's to contact the armory with |
| 08:47.28 | End | they also cache |
| 08:47.51 | End | (obviously) |
| 08:49.19 | Riffage | I got in contact with some of the armory parsers when I was doing it, and came up with a project idea of an open armory |
| 08:49.40 | End | that'd be cool |
| 08:49.43 | Riffage | instead of us all having our own copies of parts of the armory, to all contribute to a single one |
| 08:49.48 | End | but I'm not sure how you'd do that |
| 08:49.58 | Riffage | not too hard |
| 08:50.11 | Riffage | mysql setup with replication and slaves |
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| 08:50.44 | Riffage | but I didnt have enough time to make the project go anywhere, nor the space or servers to cope with it |
| 08:51.47 | Syzgyn | Wasnt there talk on the wowace forum a while ago for something like that? |
| 08:51.55 | foxlit | Hey, I know. Use XSL! |
| 08:52.43 | Fisker- | here we go ;_; |
| 08:52.56 | Fisker- | Someone flaming Microsoft because you can't have more than 4GB memory in 32-bit!111 |
| 08:53.21 | Jamash | doh |
| 08:53.26 | End | isn't that what PAE is for? |
| 08:53.26 | foxlit | http://www.rrrrthats5rs.com/games/dont-shoot-the-puppy/ |
| 08:53.46 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:54.08 | Fisker- | his reasoning is that his graphic cards are just taking up 250MB each which is stupid!1 |
| 08:54.09 | Fisker- | :DD |
| 08:54.35 | Fisker- | yeah i definitely think Windows should just stop adressing video memory |
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| 08:55.49 | End | that's an architecture problem |
| 08:56.25 | Arrowmaster | PAE still doesnt allow for more than 4GB in windows |
| 08:56.35 | Arrowmaster | for 'compatiblility' reasons |
| 08:56.38 | End | depends on the version of windows I think |
| 08:56.58 | Arrowmaster | any 32bit version of windows cant use more than 4GB |
| 08:57.01 | Fisker- | I believe they removed it because the NX-bit caused problems with PAE |
| 08:57.09 | End | hm, I dunno |
| 08:57.13 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster some server versions still have PAE i believe |
| 08:57.15 | End | drivers have to understand it too anyhow |
| 08:57.25 | ZorbaTHut | that's why people should just switch to 64-bit already :P |
| 08:57.27 | End | so it's usually a moot point |
| 08:57.36 | Arrowmaster | yes windows supports PAE but it still doesnt allow more than 4GB |
| 08:57.45 | Arrowmaster | my source is the PAE wikipedia page |
| 08:57.45 | Shirik | frame:RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") |
| 08:57.49 | Shirik | there's nothing special, right? |
| 08:58.04 | Shirik | I know these are stupid questions but my code is being stupid right now |
| 08:58.17 | foxlit | set the OnEvent handler? |
| 08:58.25 | foxlit | There's nothing special in that line |
| 08:58.47 | Shirik | the OnEvent handler is the same for all events |
| 08:58.48 | End | Arrowmaster: it says it supports it on certain Server 2003 and 2008 versions :P |
| 08:58.51 | Shirik | here's what's wierd |
| 08:58.59 | End | er, supports more than 4 GB |
| 08:59.07 | End | XP and Vista don't though |
| 08:59.08 | Shirik | I do /dump frame:IsEventRegistered("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") and says nil |
| 08:59.08 | Jamash | I prefer COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_MENTHOLATED |
| 08:59.09 | zenzio | Windows PAE support was ditched because a lot of drivers simply assumed memory addresses were 32 bits |
| 08:59.20 | End | ^ this pretty much |
| 08:59.25 | Shirik | #@*%(@*#@ |
| 08:59.27 | Shirik | EventFrame:RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFITLERED"); |
| 08:59.28 | Shirik | cries |
| 08:59.35 | Shirik | I checked spelling like 10 times |
| 08:59.44 | Jamash | haha |
| 08:59.48 | Arrowmaster | End: i think those versions mentioned are 64bit |
| 08:59.57 | End | read the leading paragraph |
| 09:00.12 | Shirik | PAE is kinda crap anyway |
| 09:00.15 | End | it specifically says "PAE is supported in the following 32-bit releases of Microsoft Windows" |
| 09:00.16 | Shirik | it's a hack |
| 09:00.20 | End | indeed it is |
| 09:00.30 | End | also, there's not much point of PAE in a 64bit system |
| 09:00.36 | Jamash | there's no point |
| 09:00.42 | zenzio | Mark Russinovich had an article that touched this recently, very interesting |
| 09:00.50 | Arrowmaster | "However, desktop versions of Windows (Windows XP, Windows Vista) limit physical address space to 4 GB for driver compatibility reasons." |
| 09:01.02 | Jamash | there you go |
| 09:01.18 | Shirik | I don't actually think PAE is supported when the CPU is in 64 bit mode |
| 09:01.42 | Shirik | it's surely supported in 32 bit mode for 64 bit CPUs but that's just for compat |
| 09:01.48 | Arrowmaster | "Windows XP Service Pack 2 and later, by default, on processors with the no-execute (NX) or execute-disable (XD) feature, runs in PAE mode in order to allow NX.[9] The NX (or XD) bit resides in bit 63 of the page table entry and, without PAE, page table entries only have 32 bits; therefore PAE mode is required if the NX feature is to be exploited." |
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| 09:02.26 | Arrowmaster | perty sure 64bit processors have NX |
| 09:02.45 | zenzio | 64-bit processors don't matter, since their addresses are already 64 bits |
| 09:02.47 | End | 64bit processors have enough bits where they don't have to use PAE |
| 09:03.16 | zenzio | http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/ <--- his last three articles (surrounding memory) are very length, but quite interesting |
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| 09:07.03 | haleys | So do you guys use simplexml with php to retreive the xml data off the armory? |
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| 09:07.25 | End | I use python with xml.sax for my current use |
| 09:08.09 | foxlit | I use butterflies. |
| 09:08.25 | End | but you could use it with anything where you can: (1) get the xml file (with custom UA). (2) read the data in the xml file that you want |
| 09:11.43 | haleys | Yeah, looks like I'll be using php/curl/simplexml. |
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| 09:13.33 | Jamash | I use Perl with XML::Simple and LWP::UserAgent |
| 09:14.13 | foxlit | Meh, you all suck for not using Lua for everything. |
| 09:14.43 | Jamash | Lua is a toy programming language |
| 09:17.26 | foxlit | toys are fun, tbh. |
| 09:17.42 | Jamash | I'm not saying it's bad, I just wouldn't use it for everything |
| 09:18.15 | Dagmar | Of that lot, perl is probably most suited to it |
| 09:18.43 | foxlit | whatever "it" is :) |
| 09:18.58 | Jamash | for something like XML processing I care about the quality of the libraries available more than I care about the language for the most part |
| 09:18.58 | Dagmar | grabbing XML data from a web-based resource |
| 09:19.35 | Riffage | (10:07) haleys: So do you guys use simplexml with php to retreive the xml data off the armory? |
| 09:19.43 | foxlit | The grabbing part is trivial |
| 09:19.43 | Riffage | I use Ruby on Rails, so :) |
| 09:19.59 | Riffage | http://wowr.rubyforge.org/ |
| 09:20.08 | foxlit | The parsing is somethign that you could write :) |
| 09:20.37 | Jamash | for simple xml like the armory, yeah, but if there's a XML library available, why duplicate the effort? |
| 09:21.34 | Jamash | Riffage: that looks pretty snazzy |
| 09:21.37 | Dagmar | XML::Simple makes it trivial to parse |
| 09:21.47 | Riffage | yeah takes a lot of effort out of it |
| 09:22.00 | Riffage | means I could concentrate on doing stuff with the data, rather than concern myself with getting it |
| 09:22.07 | Riffage | although that did end up being the major problem ;p |
| 09:22.38 | foxlit | Jamash: it's not really a lot of effort, and you get control over what sort of access you want to the data. |
| 09:23.21 | Dagmar | foxlit: You don't have to care with XML::Simple. |
| 09:23.44 | Jamash | it turns xml into native data structures in a very straightforward fashion |
| 09:23.58 | Dagmar | Stuffs the XML right into a nice hash |
| 09:25.00 | Dagmar | my $ref = XMLin("your XML goeth here"); |
| 09:25.17 | foxlit | table = Parse("your XML goes here"); |
| 09:25.24 | foxlit | close enough. |
| 09:25.25 | Shirik | ew ew ewee ewrewwweewew |
| 09:25.29 | Dagmar | Seriously check this doc page http://search.cpan.org/dist/XML-Simple/lib/XML/Simple.pm |
| 09:25.31 | Shirik | there is a "my" there |
| 09:25.32 | End | Shirik: EW U |
| 09:25.36 | Shirik | that means perl |
| 09:25.40 | Dagmar | Yeah, so what? |
| 09:25.40 | Shirik | that means eeewwwwwwwww |
| 09:25.51 | End | I'm not fond of perl either |
| 09:25.52 | foxlit | I'm fundamentally disinterested. |
| 09:25.56 | Dagmar | It's the right language to use for text parsing jobs. |
| 09:26.02 | End | probably because I was terrible at writing maintainable code |
| 09:26.08 | foxlit | Mainly for the same reasons you are: "what I'm doing works for me" |
| 09:26.13 | Jamash | perl does make writing bad code easy |
| 09:26.29 | End | I also got confused by the variable decorators a lot |
| 09:26.37 | Jamash | variable decorators are awesome |
| 09:26.39 | Jamash | mostly |
| 09:26.51 | End | I disagree sir, when you try to use them in strange ways |
| 09:26.52 | Shirik | it's the right language to be EVIL |
| 09:27.05 | End | it's not a problem when it takes one symbol |
| 09:27.08 | Dagmar | What? Blessing a filehandle is weird, but it's not hard. |
| 09:27.13 | Fisker- | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=16137526932&sid=3000 <-hahaha |
| 09:27.34 | Jamash | it's when you get into @{ $a->{$b} } that it gets ugly |
| 09:27.34 | Fisker- | Someone should put "For massive damage", "quick work", "important" in there as well |
| 09:27.34 | Fisker- | :P |
| 09:27.48 | End | Jamash: yeah, I've seen stuff like that |
| 09:27.49 | Fisker- | That sums up dustin browders commentary pretty much |
| 09:28.00 | Fisker- | "OMG HE MAKES QUICK WORK OF THAT <insert here>" x 100 |
| 09:28.09 | Dagmar | heh |
| 09:28.10 | End | part of the problem with weird is I'd forget which chracters I needed sometimes |
| 09:28.20 | Jamash | End: I've written worse |
| 09:28.41 | Dagmar | End: The key there is to not use insane varnames like "a" and "b" unless someone has a gun to your head or you are writing a sort param |
| 09:29.00 | End | Dagmar: it's not the a or b that's a problem |
| 09:29.04 | End | it's all the other stuff |
| 09:29.38 | Dagmar | The other stuff is actually usually bad code |
| 09:29.43 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.58 | Dagmar | Case in point. |
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| 09:30.07 | Jamash | actual code from an actual program I actually wrote |
| 09:30.46 | Jamash | I was trying to write a perl module for solving sudoku boards |
| 09:30.51 | End | it's been a while since I've written any perl though, so I don't remember the specific things that were really gotchas for me |
| 09:31.01 | foxlit | did you finish? |
| 09:31.06 | Jamash | eh... sort of |
| 09:31.18 | foxlit | Perl: eh... sort of. :) |
| 09:31.44 | Jamash | The point was not to simply solve the board using brute force, because that's easy, it was to solve it using the same rules a human would use |
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| 09:32.01 | Jamash | so I got to the point where it could solve the board 3/4ths of the way then brute force it |
| 09:32.58 | End | some of the rules for solving are more complicated than simply ticking off numbers |
| 09:33.08 | End | which is what I'm guessing is what you were doing |
| 09:33.12 | End | because I did that once |
| 09:33.16 | foxlit | You know, forward-checking with back-tracing is more or less how people solve sudokus. |
| 09:33.16 | Dagmar | See, most people would put the work of doing things with 3 right in blockcells() and make the code readable as blockcells($_) |
| 09:33.45 | End | the hardest or second hardest puzzles couldn't solved with simple rules |
| 09:34.27 | haleys | Is ruby pretty new or has that been around for awhile? |
| 09:34.39 | End | define new |
| 09:34.46 | Dagmar | It's newer than C. |
| 09:34.54 | End | ot |
| 09:34.55 | End | erp |
| 09:35.01 | End | it's newer than perl or python |
| 09:35.03 | Dagmar | ...and it benefits form having a large collection of the screwiest parts of several language. |
| 09:35.05 | Dagmar | e. |
| 09:35.09 | Dagmar | @#$@ Ess. |
| 09:35.17 | Jamash | End: I was using actual logic like if a number is in squares A B and C then it cannot be in D E or F so scratch those off |
| 09:35.19 | haleys | I'm just now getting back into development and I've seen it mentioned 4-5 different times now on different ocasions. |
| 09:36.01 | Dagmar | Jamash: Did you gimp out and use hash keys to track which numbers were already allocated? |
| 09:36.19 | End | Jamash: DEF are in the same 3x3? |
| 09:36.23 | Dagmar | It's kind of wrong to use keys with no value, but it does get the job done. |
| 09:36.32 | Jamash | End: no, in a different block and row |
| 09:36.49 | Jamash | I was actually using bitstrings |
| 09:37.22 | haleys | Dagmar, do you have a mage? |
| 09:37.26 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 09:37.27 | End | I'm not entirely sure which rule you're refering to |
| 09:37.29 | haleys | On nath? |
| 09:37.44 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 09:37.49 | Jamash | End: that wasn't a real rule, I was just saying I was using real logic, not brute force |
| 09:37.50 | haleys | Ok, different dagmar then. :) |
| 09:37.55 | Dagmar | I should think so. |
| 09:38.13 | foxlit | "real" logic is also brute force :) |
| 09:38.26 | Jamash | pfft |
| 09:38.30 | foxlit | Unless, of course, you were using that "fake" logic that's been going around. |
| 09:38.41 | Dagmar | I feel kind of silly because since I actually attacked that problem, I don't do sudoku anymore. |
| 09:38.54 | Dagmar | ...because I solve it like the computer would. |
| 09:39.12 | foxlit | You know, it'd be fun to do it graphically |
| 09:39.24 | nevcairiel | isn't that a rather long'ish algorithm, the computer way? =P |
| 09:39.38 | foxlit | "What do I have a lot of?" "Highlight all cells that can't be in." "Oh, so it can be there" Rinse, repeat. |
| 09:39.41 | Dagmar | Not really. |
| 09:39.46 | foxlit | of course, you do get stuck. |
| 09:39.52 | End | when I did it, I don't think I did much more than cross off numbers in blocks/columns/rows, and every time a column had all but one number crossed off, propagate the new restrictions |
| 09:39.57 | Dagmar | No, you hit points where you *must* guess is all |
| 09:40.05 | Jamash | here's a real rule: If a particular element is present in only a single line in a block, then it cannot be in the continuation of that line |
| 09:40.19 | Dagmar | This is where being able to clone a data structure to an instanced scope is real handy. |
| 09:40.22 | End | I was able to solve all the 3 stars that I tested without having it guess, but some 4 stars it had to guess on |
| 09:40.27 | foxlit | Jamash: urgh! |
| 09:40.40 | foxlit | "line", "block"... next you'll be using "column" :) |
| 09:40.56 | Jamash | what's wrong with that? |
| 09:41.09 | foxlit | It's a solution to a specific problem rather than a general one. |
| 09:41.31 | foxlit | (which means nothing.) |
| 09:41.34 | Jamash | oh well if you want the general solution you use gaussian elimination and what fun is that? |
| 09:41.46 | Dagmar | THAT is the brute force way |
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| 09:42.02 | Jamash | not really |
| 09:42.17 | Jamash | brute force is 10 GUESS 20 CHECK 30 GOTO 10 |
| 09:42.26 | Dagmar | Don't use that g word |
| 09:42.44 | Dagmar | The only thing that should follow GO is SUB. |
| 09:42.52 | Dagmar | All else leads to damnation. |
| 09:42.59 | krka | afaik, there is a set of common simple operations in sudoko that solves most (if not all) puzzles |
| 09:43.06 | Jamash | krka: yes |
| 09:43.28 | foxlit | on which system of linear equations, I wonder. |
| 09:44.31 | Dagmar | I was pretty sure doing that would result in the same effect as searching an entire keyspace and not stopping when you've got the right answer, but just keeping on searching until you've completed the search. |
| 09:45.01 | foxlit | But that's a minor matter. You could still use logical reasoning on a set of rules; it's just that your upper bound in time is still the same as guessing. |
| 09:45.14 | Dagmar | I don't think so. |
| 09:45.16 | Jamash | depends on the computation complexity of sudoku |
| 09:45.29 | Jamash | did you know that Minesweeper is turing complete? |
| 09:45.38 | foxlit | [that = linear equation system] |
| 09:45.42 | Dagmar | lets not even consider a sexigesimal sudoku, thanks |
| 09:45.50 | Jamash | why not? |
| 09:46.24 | Jamash | I've played sudoku programs that support 4x4x4 sudoku |
| 09:46.27 | End | what is sexigesimal... 36x36? |
| 09:46.30 | Dagmar | Because using bigger numbers doesn't make the means of finding the solution all that much different. |
| 09:46.34 | Dagmar | End base 60 |
| 09:47.03 | End | I've done it with 16 digits before, but I needed a seperate piece of paper to do it |
| 09:47.37 | Jamash | one program I had even supported 12 (3x4 blocks) |
| 09:47.42 | End | weird |
| 09:47.46 | foxlit | arbitrary boards are where it's at. |
| 09:48.21 | Jamash | I was working on a sudoku solver that supported arbitrary shapes but I don't know where it is |
| 09:48.33 | Jamash | might have lost it in a disk crash |
| 09:48.57 | foxlit | And of course, Sudoku == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_coloring |
| 09:49.15 | Jamash | well, yes |
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| 09:51.36 | Jamash | I was interested for a while in the problem of whether any two fully solved sodoku boards are equivalent |
| 09:52.07 | End | What do you mean? |
| 09:52.13 | foxlit | That is relatively simple for standard boards. |
| 09:52.33 | Jamash | whether you can transform one into the other by shuffling columns, rows, or permuting the symbols |
| 09:53.23 | Jamash | the number of different permutations is 9!, the number of shufflings is 6^8, and the number of rotations is 2, so you end up with a quite large number |
| 09:53.54 | Dagmar | Sounds like solving a rubik's cube to me |
| 09:54.14 | End | so, how many "unique" boards are there? :P |
| 09:54.31 | Jamash | depends on whether you mean unique layouts or unique valid layouts |
| 09:54.42 | Dagmar | http://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+unique+sudoku+boards+are+there |
| 09:54.46 | Jamash | 'cause to find out how many unique valid layouts there are you' have to solve them all :P |
| 09:54.53 | End | Dagmar: cheater |
| 09:54.56 | Dagmar | heh |
| 09:55.03 | Dagmar | Not cheating, efficiency |
| 09:55.22 | End | I'm curious about solved boards |
| 09:55.25 | Jamash | the number of permutations of a single board is 1,218,998,108,160 |
| 09:56.28 | Jamash | now, their number isn't divisible by my number, which makes me curious |
| 09:56.57 | Jamash | one of us is probably wrong |
| 09:57.07 | Dagmar | I'm still astonished someone actually solved it |
| 09:57.29 | Dagmar | ...although eleven bloody pages of forum posts on *sudoku* geez |
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| 09:57.42 | Dagmar | Strike that, 41. |
| 09:57.45 | Dagmar | They were working on it awhile |
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| 10:05.24 | End | weird, my cable went out for a bit |
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| 10:09.05 | Jamash | dear god does pitbull ever pollute the global namespace |
| 10:09.11 | Shirik | why's that? |
| 10:10.00 | Jamash | it seems to put all of its widgets in _G instead of having a hierarchy of some kind |
| 10:10.15 | Jamash | so there's like PitBullTexture650 |
| 10:10.56 | Jamash | I'm looking at my live UI in EditingUI and pitbull is about half of it |
| 10:11.53 | Jamash | I believe EditingUI constructs a tree based on parenting, and PitBull seems to have nearly everything parented to UIParent |
| 10:12.38 | End | I doubt it creates textures on UIParent |
| 10:13.54 | Jamash | I'm thinking it dynamically creates widgets in pools, and any widget that isn't in use is hidden and parented to UIParent |
| 10:16.34 | End | which version are you using, 3? |
| 10:20.15 | Shirik | Jamash: I can't be sure without seeing its code, however whenever you assign a frame name, that's what happens |
| 10:20.22 | Shirik | That's why I never use frame names, tbh |
| 10:20.26 | Shirik | but some people do |
| 10:20.37 | Jamash | any widget that's visible seems to be properly parented |
| 10:21.04 | Jamash | it doesn't matter in the slightest unless you're poking around with EditingUI, which I am :P |
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| 10:22.17 | Jamash | of bartender? 4 |
| 10:22.58 | nevcairiel | how do you get from pitbull to bartender? :D |
| 10:23.41 | Jamash | um |
| 10:23.43 | Jamash | it's late |
| 10:23.49 | Jamash | is how |
| 10:25.04 | Jamash | 3.2.9 |
| 10:25.34 | End | ok, just curious |
| 10:25.49 | End | I'm using the "unstable" 4 version as of recent |
| 10:26.00 | Jamash | also, looking in the addon directory, who thought it was a good idea to ship half a meg of changelog with the addon |
| 10:26.28 | End | and it not only doesn't polute the global environment, but much to my surprise, the frame names are named after the units |
| 10:26.34 | End | lol |
| 10:27.34 | Jamash | that's nice |
| 10:28.05 | End | (PB3 just named them PitbullFrame20 or something like that) |
| 10:28.13 | Jamash | yes, I can see that |
| 10:28.52 | Jamash | hmm, I have an idea for my addon |
| 10:29.06 | Jamash | time to look at the blizzard code to find out where it keeps a list of tracking abilities |
| 10:30.27 | Jamash | oh how nice, there's a set of api calls for that |
| 10:31.52 | zenzio | End: so now you get PitbullPwninator, PitbullTaurminator, PitbullCutegrrrl? |
| 10:32.05 | zenzio | + Frame |
| 10:32.21 | End | hah |
| 10:32.43 | Jamash | I would think it's pitbullparty1frame or w/e |
| 10:32.44 | End | no, just Pitbull_Player_Frame, or something like that |
| 10:32.55 | End | I forgot already how it exactly forms it |
| 10:33.16 | Jamash | so GetTrackingInfo tells me the spell name, but not the spellbook ID |
| 10:33.21 | Jamash | time for another lookup table |
| 10:33.24 | End | but then you have party/raid frames, and those have a group frame that is parent of all of the frames for those |
| 10:35.00 | Jamash | here's a somewhat subjective coding question: how big does a lua file have to get before you split it into smaller files? |
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| 10:40.10 | Shirik | I'm not sure whether to call this a bug or a feature |
| 10:40.16 | Shirik | When looting items, let's say an item is worth 10 DKP |
| 10:40.23 | Jamash | okay |
| 10:40.23 | Shirik | the player that looted the item gains 10 DKP |
| 10:40.58 | Jamash | in what way would that be a feature |
| 10:41.15 | Shirik | Because I get more dkps |
| 10:41.23 | Jamash | haha |
| 10:50.31 | Shirik | sigh |
| 10:50.44 | Shirik | I spent looking for a bug for 10 minutes because of another addon |
| 10:50.58 | Shirik | I didn't realize I was using the wrong variable name because it was working |
| 10:51.11 | Shirik | apparently global 'item' is set by another addon |
| 10:51.54 | haste | just luac and grep for it? |
| 10:51.59 | Shirik | oh I know what addon it is |
| 10:52.05 | Shirik | issecurevariable() is good for that |
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| 11:09.21 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 11:09.25 | Fisker- | you know what'd be cool? |
| 11:10.31 | zenzio | ice cool! |
| 11:10.45 | Fisker- | no u |
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| 12:53.25 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/hahahha.jpg |
| 12:53.46 | Fisker- | you're awesome mikma |
| 12:54.21 | mikma | fisker-: thanks babe |
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| 12:56.56 | mikma | "We don't like totem stomping macros and we are taking steps to prevent them. Because of technical limitations, these changes probably won't be in place for 3.1. But we will get them in place soon." |
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| 12:58.23 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/april/murkimusthegladiator.jpg |
| 13:00.14 | selckin | totem stomping = placing them or /target /pew ? |
| 13:00.27 | selckin | why don't they like it? |
| 13:00.28 | mikma | apparently castsequence macros |
| 13:00.35 | mikma | that's what i understood |
| 13:00.50 | selckin | macro to place them seems pritty harmless |
| 13:01.06 | foxlit | http://worldofwarcraft.filefront.com/ << meh, so they're still around |
| 13:01.20 | mikma | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137225978&sid=1 |
| 13:01.26 | foxlit | It's the macros to remove them that they have a problem with |
| 13:01.41 | mikma | foxlit: the original founders bought back the site and let it continue |
| 13:01.55 | foxlit | mikma: that may hold for filefront in general |
| 13:01.59 | foxlit | but the link is just evil |
| 13:02.20 | foxlit | The /tar Grounding Totem /tar Some other totem /tar More totems /tar Die, totem die /cast Moonfire is problematic |
| 13:02.37 | selckin | thats fair enough i guess |
| 13:02.55 | selckin | altho i've seen shaman place 4 totems in the same spot, impossible to target a single one |
| 13:03.20 | mikma | yeah, apparently it's the fact people use /target %s's Tremor Totem |
| 13:04.34 | foxlit | But meh, it's a silly issue |
| 13:04.49 | selckin | it's a pvp issue, i stopped caring allready |
| 13:05.08 | foxlit | (or perhaps the problem is that you could macro your *pet* to attack totems while you do more important things) |
| 13:06.00 | Hirsute-Home | Regardless, I don't see a problem with it, at least until they change it to prevent totems being dropped on top of each other. |
| 13:06.24 | foxlit | is not a shaman, and does not PvP. |
| 13:06.44 | selckin | i solo 2v2 when i'm bored, only pvp i like |
| 13:06.49 | zenzio | foxlit: why the "meh" at FileFront? |
| 13:06.49 | selckin | at ~1300 rating i can win :p |
| 13:06.51 | Hirsute-Home | I stopped PvPing back in the day largely because of how easy it was for Shammies to pwn people. |
| 13:06.54 | selckin | as a prot paladin lol |
| 13:07.05 | foxlit | zenzio: http://worldofwarcraft.filefront.com/ << click. |
| 13:07.26 | Hirsute-Home | @#!ing arena. |
| 13:07.28 | foxlit | It's essentially distributing addons. I very much doubt they were uploaded there by their authors |
| 13:07.38 | zenzio | oh, I see |
| 13:07.49 | zenzio | I was mesmerized by the horrible layout |
| 13:08.03 | selckin | that page is really old tho, been around for ages afaik |
| 13:08.06 | foxlit | Yeah. It's SOO bad! |
| 13:09.18 | foxlit | they do update what appears to be a limited selection of things. |
| 13:10.44 | selckin | should be able to attach warnings to random sites |
| 13:11.43 | foxlit | http://static.escapistmagazine.com/media/global/images/articles/article/5934/Funk_i196.jpg << need that tabard. |
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| 13:12.29 | selckin | got it! |
| 13:14.06 | nevcairiel | hehe got it too |
| 13:19.46 | mikma | liars :) |
| 13:21.31 | foxlit | badges Nechckn some more. |
| 13:21.35 | foxlit | ^r |
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| 13:27.43 | Fisker- | that's what she said |
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| 13:33.24 | foxlit | There are bindings for scrolling with the mouse wheel, right? |
| 13:33.40 | foxlit | (yes, there are) |
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| 13:50.36 | jnwhiteh | Hrm |
| 13:50.51 | jnwhiteh | Are there 3 people who would not mind signing onto an EU server for me? |
| 13:51.15 | jnwhiteh | mikma: pls |
| 13:51.17 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: pls |
| 13:51.26 | mikma | jnwhiteh: ya np |
| 13:51.31 | jnwhiteh | which server |
| 13:51.36 | jnwhiteh | pick a server/race |
| 13:51.41 | theorbtwo | jnwhiteh: Sure, what the hell. |
| 13:51.45 | jnwhiteh | theorbtwo: awesome |
| 13:51.59 | jnwhiteh | what about Kazzak, Gnome/Dwarf? |
| 13:52.03 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh is looking for some tram action, make sure to roll a female nelf |
| 13:52.09 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 13:52.23 | jnwhiteh | need a screenshot. |
| 13:52.56 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 13:52.57 | jnwhiteh | not Kazzak |
| 13:53.08 | jnwhiteh | Terenas |
| 13:54.30 | Fisker- | omg wat? |
| 13:54.44 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: pls |
| 13:54.48 | jnwhiteh | Terenas Dwarf/human |
| 13:54.52 | jnwhiteh | need to get a screenshot :P |
| 13:54.59 | mikma | human? |
| 13:55.04 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 13:55.06 | jnwhiteh | dwarf/gnome |
| 13:55.07 | jnwhiteh | sorry :P |
| 13:56.06 | jnwhiteh | I'm laoch |
| 13:56.45 | Fisker- | you're ugly |
| 13:57.18 | theorbtwo | is Tiny. |
| 13:57.54 | jnwhiteh | i dont see that char in game/ |
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| 13:58.09 | theorbtwo | still loading. |
| 13:58.20 | jnwhiteh | k |
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| 14:03.46 | Kalroth | omg ding |
| 14:05.42 | jnwhiteh | anyone not in the party? |
| 14:06.00 | jnwhiteh | okay this is weird |
| 14:06.08 | jnwhiteh | anyone here familiar with UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE? |
| 14:06.40 | nevcairiel | familiar'ish |
| 14:07.20 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't appear to fire for my party members |
| 14:07.23 | jnwhiteh | UNLESS i enter combat |
| 14:07.25 | jnwhiteh | does that make sense? |
| 14:07.27 | nevcairiel | thats right |
| 14:07.31 | nevcairiel | it always did that |
| 14:07.31 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 14:07.34 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 14:07.44 | nevcairiel | i'll have to direct that to Zootfizzle |
| 14:07.59 | Kalroth | because you're not in combat? :p |
| 14:08.04 | nevcairiel | You simply can't get threat info about a mob you are not in comabt with yourself |
| 14:08.06 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: but my party members are |
| 14:08.12 | jnwhiteh | thus there threat situation has changed |
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| 14:08.13 | jnwhiteh | hrm. |
| 14:08.18 | jnwhiteh | that's much less useful than I would have hoped. |
| 14:08.18 | Kalroth | what nev said |
| 14:08.22 | nevcairiel | the APIs don't return stuff either |
| 14:08.25 | nevcairiel | unless you engage |
| 14:08.28 | jnwhiteh | bullshiat. |
| 14:08.54 | Kalroth | Just make an API that sends the party members threat to you! |
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| 14:09.11 | nevcairiel | If i had to guess, i would say to cut down in server-client traffic |
| 14:09.42 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: not to mention the logics behind it - imagine a 40 man raid, each aggroing their own target |
| 14:10.00 | Kalroth | you'd get 39 different threat updates :p |
| 14:10.03 | Kalroth | logistics* |
| 14:10.07 | nevcairiel | well usually you'll end up with all of them in combat anyway |
| 14:10.07 | Kalroth | needs more coffeee |
| 14:10.24 | Kalroth | assuming an instance, yes |
| 14:10.43 | nevcairiel | It only has one argument, the unit id, anyway. |
| 14:11.01 | nevcairiel | And you only get the event on major changes |
| 14:11.06 | mikma | coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee |
| 14:11.08 | nevcairiel | not when their raw threat number changes |
| 14:11.16 | nevcairiel | like, when you cross the 90% |
| 14:11.42 | Kalroth | I agree with the API though, threat is only relevant to me, if I got zero threat and my party member got 2k, then it really isn't relevant to me |
| 14:12.08 | nevcairiel | unless you're the tank :D |
| 14:12.13 | Kalroth | why? |
| 14:12.34 | Kalroth | the punter pulled trash by himself, obviously he wants to tank it! |
| 14:12.39 | nevcairiel | hah |
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| 14:25.37 | AbsolutRayne | Im fairly convinced that Calamitys Grasp isnt going to drop for my Rogue |
| 14:26.24 | AbsolutRayne | 4 KT kills, 4 Sinister Revenge |
| 14:27.06 | nevcairiel | we had calamitys 3 times in 20 kills |
| 14:27.13 | selckin | only 4? |
| 14:27.16 | selckin | stop complaining |
| 14:27.43 | AbsolutRayne | nevcairiel: Its dropped every kill on my Warrior, and my Rogue has seen nothing but SRs and Last Laughs |
| 14:28.20 | selckin | there is only 1 solution, dualbox it! |
| 14:28.40 | AbsolutRayne | tempting |
| 14:28.57 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: that's one reason why I've never played more than one character |
| 14:29.22 | AbsolutRayne | At least I got myValor Helm last night on my Warrior |
| 14:29.25 | AbsolutRayne | so the night wasnt a Total bust |
| 14:29.43 | zenzelezz | Valor? |
| 14:29.52 | AbsolutRayne | 7.5 |
| 14:30.02 | zenzelezz | oh, Valorous? |
| 14:30.11 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah |
| 14:30.17 | AbsolutRayne | Its too early for me to attempt spelling |
| 14:30.24 | zenzelezz | I was wondering what you were doing in Scholomance |
| 14:30.53 | AbsolutRayne | P |
| 14:30.57 | AbsolutRayne | :P |
| 14:31.09 | Fisker- | i'm bored jnwhiteh |
| 14:31.26 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 14:31.35 | Fisker- | entertain me? |
| 14:31.41 | AbsolutRayne | I do need to finish farming my T1 though |
| 14:32.10 | AbsolutRayne | Bracers, Chest and Boots left |
| 14:32.19 | AbsolutRayne | er,Belt |
| 14:32.21 | AbsolutRayne | Have the boots |
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| 14:57.04 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: want to sing with me? |
| 14:57.17 | Stanzilla | not really, no |
| 14:57.33 | Fisker- | i want to plow you AckisWork |
| 14:57.56 | AckisWork | imo purl needs an option called ~kickfisker- |
| 14:59.08 | foxlit | Just ~Fisker-++ him. he'll melt. |
| 14:59.59 | AckisWork | ~Fisker-++ |
| 15:00.00 | AckisWork | HAH |
| 15:00.08 | AckisWork | ~karma Fisker- |
| 15:00.08 | purl | fisker- has karma of -10 |
| 15:00.17 | AckisWork | omg we need to get him positive! |
| 15:01.09 | Fisker- | i'm warning you AckisWork |
| 15:01.22 | foxlit | "you won't like me when I'm melted!" |
| 15:04.09 | zenzelezz | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/07/9534758.aspx <--- neat idea |
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| 15:07.12 | Fisker- | OMG HOW CAN YOU EVEN CONSIDER SUCH AN IDEA IT'S TOTALLY IMPRATICAL? |
| 15:07.56 | cog|sleep | NO U! |
| 15:08.12 | Fisker- | sprays with nocog |
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| 15:08.28 | Seerah | oh - I thought cog was talking in his sleep.... ;) |
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| 15:09.06 | AckisWork | anyone here deal with western digital drives? |
| 15:09.41 | cog|work | Seerah: practically am considering how little i've had over the past week |
| 15:09.41 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:10.00 | Seerah | huggles cog|work |
| 15:10.13 | Fisker- | i deal with them AckisWork |
| 15:10.13 | Zyndrome | clapping as reference clock ... hey, then movies might actually get some damn appreciation |
| 15:10.23 | zenzelezz | seerahsly :-o |
| 15:10.39 | cog|work | AckisWork: to what extent? I have some but i'm not really brand-bound to any HDs |
| 15:10.43 | AckisWork | Fisker-: I don't trust you :P |
| 15:10.54 | AckisWork | cog|work: just curious as to the software to diagnose a failing drive |
| 15:11.05 | Fisker- | get out as soon as you can |
| 15:11.13 | Fisker- | Doesn't work on vista etc. |
| 15:11.20 | Fisker- | which sucks balls |
| 15:11.27 | zenzelezz | don't the manufacturers usually have their own diagnostic tools for download? |
| 15:11.32 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 15:11.41 | Fisker- | but they don't work for Vista |
| 15:12.36 | cog|work | AckisWork: none of the failures i've experienced were subtle enough to need software diagnosis >< |
| 15:12.53 | Fisker- | http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=612&lang=en <-if you really want it |
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| 15:13.11 | foxlit | eek, it's a raptor! |
| 15:13.16 | foxlit | RUN FOR YOUR LIVES. |
| 15:13.20 | Fisker- | naw |
| 15:13.24 | Fisker- | it's a velociraptor |
| 15:13.36 | Fisker- | Anyways i had 2x1TB in a RAID0 |
| 15:13.37 | foxlit | I just don't see how that's any better. |
| 15:13.38 | AckisWork | Fisker-: http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=606&sid=3&lang=en <-- that's my stuff, I don't has a raptor |
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| 15:13.50 | foxlit | mm, caviar. |
| 15:13.54 | Fisker- | And one disk kept being removed from the raid and i could just activate it and it would work again |
| 15:14.16 | Fisker- | Doesn't matter what the shit you're using! |
| 15:14.21 | Fisker- | Same shitty software |
| 15:14.33 | AckisWork | I have vista 64 though |
| 15:14.41 | AckisWork | so I have to do the DOS bullshit it looks like |
| 15:14.58 | Fisker- | yarr |
| 15:15.01 | Fisker- | unless you can get it to work |
| 15:15.06 | Fisker- | i couldn't though |
| 15:15.18 | AckisWork | http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=606&sid=3&lang=en is for vista 23-bit |
| 15:15.26 | foxlit | "Reacting to allegedly fraudulent election procedures, students are storming the presidency and parliament of the small eastern European country of Moldova. It is reported that they used Twitter to organize." << Twitter? |
| 15:15.35 | zenzelezz | 23-bit, the lost generation of CPUs |
| 15:15.58 | AckisWork | bah :P |
| 15:17.33 | mikma | ~ts |
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| 15:21.03 | cog|work | AckisWork: want to harvest mah sunflowerz? |
| 15:21.23 | AckisWork | cog|work: nah, I hardly do that game anymore lol too slow on my work PC |
| 15:21.31 | cog|work | shoos Fisker- before he tries to make that into an innuendo |
| 15:23.16 | batrick | O dear, our protest thread is capped out |
| 15:23.55 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 15:23.58 | batrick | someone report it~ |
| 15:25.37 | cog|work | nah... we should just turn it into a choose your own circular argument wiki |
| 15:30.24 | haste | p3lim: stop spamming my feature/bug notes with redundant information |
| 15:41.19 | cog|work | but seriously... a wiki that starts with the policy and links to rebuttals of each point, and then rebuttals of the rebuttals, etc... |
| 15:42.34 | Fisker- | my baaaaaaaaaaaaaalls |
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| 15:46.58 | |Jelly| | http://www.trutv.com/video/operation-repo/unhand-thine-prius.html?link=truTVshlk |
| 15:51.51 | p3lim | haste: ok |
| 15:51.57 | p3lim | haste: btw, did you get my pm? |
| 15:52.12 | p3lim | about the issues with aura.lua in the 'consistency' branch |
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| 15:54.23 | p3lim | anyways im off |
| 15:55.51 | batrick | cog|work: You could simply just link to an older post you made. |
| 15:55.57 | batrick | in the same thread |
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| 16:04.44 | cog|work | batrick: would help if they existed... |
| 16:04.46 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:05.15 | Hirsute | I'd heard they got purged. |
| 16:05.46 | batrick | cog|work: of course I keep forgetting : / |
| 16:06.01 | batrick | cog|work: When are you "allowed" to cancel your account? |
| 16:06.06 | AckisWork | purges cog|work's face |
| 16:06.20 | batrick | I already cancelled for the Addon policy among other reasons. |
| 16:06.33 | cog|work | whenever we're done... probably ~june-ish |
| 16:07.11 | AckisWork | I popped a flask last wednesday and played or about 10-20 minutes on it... I have about 110 minutes left on it ( alchemist so 2xflask length) as of last night lol |
| 16:08.25 | AckisWork | omg cog|work a star wars game on facebook! |
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| 16:10.50 | Lunessa | staion. |
| 16:11.33 | Wraithan | Hmm ES did 11% of my healing last night |
| 16:11.46 | Lunessa | You know what everybody likes? Parfait. |
| 16:11.47 | AckisWork | Lunessa: you beat me up :( |
| 16:12.10 | Lunessa | Alas, poor Ackis. I slew him Horatio. |
| 16:13.01 | AckisWork | lol |
| 16:14.44 | |Jelly| | Lunessa, Onions. |
| 16:15.02 | Lunessa | Not everybody likes onions. |
| 16:15.12 | |Jelly| | But they have layers. |
| 16:15.46 | Hirsute | Are we talking about Ogres? |
| 16:15.59 | |Jelly| | ... maybe |
| 16:16.45 | Lunessa | Parfaits are /delicious/. |
| 16:17.59 | Hirsute | I kept wanting to see mention of Parfait and Onions up in Ogri'La. |
| 16:18.11 | Hirsute | Sadly, the ogres there don't seem to know about either. |
| 16:18.28 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 16:19.20 | Lunessa | That would be awesome! |
| 16:20.28 | Duman | onion parfait? |
| 16:21.06 | Hirsute | *That* would be... interesting. |
| 16:21.23 | Duman | I dunno if that's the word I'd use |
| 16:21.24 | Duman | ;) |
| 16:21.56 | foxlit | Shadowed: ping |
| 16:23.01 | foxlit | Though I suppose it could be anyone. |
| 16:23.14 | foxlit | Does GetCursorInfo() return a 4th value for spells on the cursor on the PTR? |
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| 16:24.57 | nevcairiel | Not for me, no. |
| 16:25.26 | foxlit | "At that, GetActionInfo() was changed so it also returns the spellID of spells as the 4th return too." << that'd be convenient for GetCursorInfo as well. |
| 16:25.46 | nevcairiel | oh it does now? |
| 16:25.47 | nevcairiel | awesome |
| 16:25.50 | foxlit | ptr |
| 16:25.53 | foxlit | according to shadowed :) |
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| 16:26.05 | nevcairiel | yes it does |
| 16:26.06 | nevcairiel | nice |
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| 16:26.25 | foxlit | I wonder why they cared enough to fix that. |
| 16:26.39 | Shadowed | ho hum? |
| 16:26.43 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: yea it does |
| 16:26.45 | foxlit | Anywhere you can call GetCursorInfo you can use GetSpellInfo to fetch the id |
| 16:26.55 | Shadowed | GetCursorInfo doesn't return the spellID |
| 16:27.08 | foxlit | (which sucks!) |
| 16:27.11 | Shadowed | yea |
| 16:27.26 | Shadowed | I'd imagine because it was broken before foxlit :p |
| 16:27.50 | foxlit | Well, since you can test things, are the companion spells still special? |
| 16:27.59 | Shadowed | special in what way? |
| 16:28.06 | foxlit | i.e. are they recognized by GetSpellInfo by name? |
| 16:28.13 | Shadowed | I didn't test that, but I assume so |
| 16:28.22 | foxlit | They aren't currently. |
| 16:28.34 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 16:28.38 | foxlit | (on live) |
| 16:29.02 | Shadowed | You're doing it wrong :P |
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| 16:29.14 | nevcairiel | by name, no. |
| 16:29.15 | foxlit | Mm? |
| 16:29.21 | nevcairiel | I just tested it on ptr |
| 16:29.24 | Shadowed | you can GetSpellInfo the spellID |
| 16:29.45 | Shadowed | 3rd return of GetCompanionInfo can be used with GetSpellInfo on live |
| 16:29.50 | foxlit | I know. |
| 16:30.06 | Shadowed | oh I see what you said, misunderstood you |
| 16:30.11 | foxlit | Spell IDs just aren't practical for, you know, casting. And macros. and stuff :) |
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| 16:31.12 | Shadowed | Why would you need GetSpellInfo to return by name thought? |
| 16:31.19 | Shadowed | you can still use the name of the mob in macros |
| 16:31.28 | foxlit | *mob=spell |
| 16:32.04 | Fisker- | your mom is a spell |
| 16:32.16 | foxlit | GetSpellInfo((GetSpellInfo(id)) is a reasonable mechanic to check whether you know the spell |
| 16:32.34 | foxlit | While you can use the spell name in macros, I also need to be able to figure out information about a spell name |
| 16:33.13 | foxlit | Unfortunately, since I can't do that by name for companion spells, I need to maintain a separate name -> id map and write special code to handle that. |
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| 16:34.22 | foxlit | Ultimately, GetSpellInfo("Bronze Drake") and GetSpellTexture("Bronze Drake") could've saved me quite a few lines of extra code :) |
| 16:34.25 | Shadowed | The info you need is basically icons, isn't it/ |
| 16:34.39 | Shadowed | Why can't you maintain a name -> icon map using the icon GetCompanionInfo returns |
| 16:35.06 | foxlit | As long as I'm maintaining a map, I might as well maintain a more useful one |
| 16:35.11 | Shadowed | fair enough |
| 16:37.22 | foxlit | wonder why they decided to implement companions as a paperdoll tab rather than a spell book tab. |
| 16:37.33 | Lunessa | foxlit: Mount ring for OPie is a bitch to maintain? |
| 16:37.48 | Shadowed | Dunno logically speaking |
| 16:37.59 | Shadowed | I would find my pets in my character tab not spells |
| 16:38.32 | foxlit | Lunessa: I gave up on that; OPie doesn't do mounts with any semblance of autonomy. You can drag companions in if you want to. |
| 16:38.56 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yeah, that's the route I'd have gone too. :P |
| 16:39.20 | Shadowed | is ITEM_PUSH a new event by the way? |
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| 16:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/nature-not-osha-compliant/1776 |
| 16:52.18 | Lunessa | "The amount of self-censorship and invisible rules surrounding green text is quite astounding to me. I conjecture that it is a microcosm of the same conditions associated with possessing blue. " ~laforge on the UI & Macros forum. Preach it brother man! |
| 16:53.05 | Fisker- | huh? |
| 16:53.27 | Fisker- | Is he trying to argue using words he hopes people won't understand? :3 |
| 16:53.49 | nevcairiel | awesome sbo :D |
| 16:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 16:54.46 | mikma | most of them seem so artificial |
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| 17:06.01 | mikma | http://notalwaysright.com/natural-born-politician/967 |
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| 17:11.02 | AckisWork | http://notalwaysright.com/a-fine-line-between-smarta-and-dumba/915 :D |
| 17:11.15 | AckisWork | (ps fuck you for linking those, now I won't get ANY wokr done today) |
| 17:12.22 | jnwhiteh | nar is awesome |
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| 17:14.05 | mikma | jnwhiteh: narnia? |
| 17:14.42 | haste | not always right |
| 17:14.48 | mikma | narnia. |
| 17:15.03 | haste | not always right in america? |
| 17:15.17 | mikma | hmm missing n |
| 17:15.22 | Hirsute | Heh. Yes, notwalwaysright.com is *awesome* |
| 17:15.36 | mikma | not always right now in america |
| 17:16.48 | mikma | http://notalwaysright.com/keeping-up-appearances/419 <- quite funny actually |
| 17:18.16 | AckisWork | http://notalwaysright.com/beefed-up-technology/1435 bah shit like that pisses me off :P they spend money to put the detection shit in, spend the money to add a small seal |
| 17:19.53 | mikma | club baby seals? |
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| 17:20.57 | AckisWork | i'm canadian, I do it all the time! |
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| 17:31.02 | DWSR | AckisWork: GO CANADA! |
| 17:31.09 | DWSR | NIET NIET SOVIET DA DA CANADA |
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| 17:34.17 | cncfanatics | o hai thr |
| 17:34.32 | AckisWork | lol |
| 17:36.28 | cncfanatics | any european players looking for a guild by chance ? (a) |
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| 17:37.24 | AbsolutRayne | Solod Garr again. No Bindings. No OEB. >_< |
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| 17:40.52 | AckisWork | ~wowspell 62948 |
| 17:40.53 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=62948 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=62948 |
| 17:41.39 | DWSR | AckisWork: ? |
| 17:42.09 | AckisWork | <-- lazy |
| 17:42.29 | DWSR | AckisWork: spell doesn't even exist. |
| 17:43.03 | AckisWork | it does on the ptr |
| 17:43.16 | DWSR | aha |
| 17:43.42 | DWSR | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=62948 <-- You mean like this? |
| 17:44.53 | AckisWork | yup |
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| 17:46.11 | AckisWork | Bibi: the 3.1 patch stuff, under items only has pvp/raid/t8... are you adding the rest of the stuff there eventually or should I look for it in the posts? |
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| 17:48.47 | Lunessa | Anyone out there using any of the Fon products? http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/04/fonera-2-gets-r.html I'm curious. |
| 17:49.06 | mikma | http://notalwaysright.com/well-played-indeed/624 |
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| 17:50.27 | DWSR | Lunessa: rofl @ this guy's voice. |
| 17:50.34 | Lunessa | Yeah. |
| 17:51.07 | Lunessa | mikma: Well played indeed. |
| 17:51.41 | Esamynn | grumbles about stupid, crashing irc proxies |
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| 18:03.10 | mikma | http://notalwaysright.com/dads-gotta-love-em/1129 <- last line |
| 18:06.17 | Lunessa | So, no one here has used the Fon products (not the new one, but previous). |
| 18:06.49 | mikma | i almost did |
| 18:06.57 | mikma | then i realized they are not legal to keep here ;D |
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| 18:07.21 | Lunessa | Heh, restrictive telco laws where you live? |
| 18:13.43 | DWSR | what's the prices for bank tabs? |
| 18:13.52 | DWSR | 100/250/500/750/1000/5000 |
| 18:13.53 | DWSR | ? |
| 18:14.18 | Thunder_Child | guild bank? |
| 18:14.25 | DWSR | yeah |
| 18:14.32 | Thunder_Child | no idea |
| 18:16.00 | Mysticell | what you have sounds about right, DWSR |
| 18:16.32 | Mysticell | your 750 and 1000 might be wrong though |
| 18:17.09 | Mysticell | yeah, 1000 and 2500 instead of 750 and 1000 |
| 18:17.38 | kneeki | Before I start working on one; does anyone know of any addon which only displays the current dead people in the raid? |
| 18:18.02 | Thunder_Child | many raid addons show dead people.... |
| 18:18.09 | kneeki | yes yes |
| 18:18.17 | kneeki | but only showing death. The only purpose of the addon |
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| 18:18.35 | Thunder_Child | i would go with no since it seems redundant |
| 18:18.48 | Mysticell | If you want something really simple to do that, I could create one quickly but it's not going to do anything fancy, just output the death count to the chat frame when someone else dies |
| 18:18.57 | Thunder_Child | assuming you display your raid that is |
| 18:19.09 | kneeki | Well, I found that the only reason I use raid mods (like praid or grid) is to show the current dead people o fthe raid. While playing my dpser class |
| 18:19.38 | kneeki | Mysticell: I can create the addon as well. I just wanted to know if one existed before I wrote it |
| 18:19.49 | dbguy | Hey. Anyone have recommendations for a UI library with a great API? Or should I just use the Blizzard-approved way of FrameXML + friends? |
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| 18:20.15 | kneeki | dbguy: I hear Ace is a decent one |
| 18:20.22 | Lunessa | Is this really news to anyone here? Caffeine is habit-forming? http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/06/hm.caffeine.withdrawal/index.html |
| 18:20.37 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 18:20.43 | kneeki | mmm, everything is habit forming though? |
| 18:20.56 | Lunessa | Breathing, sex, eating... you betcha. |
| 18:20.56 | jnwhiteh | Everything uses blizzard's widgets |
| 18:20.59 | jnwhiteh | seems silly not to use it.. |
| 18:21.07 | Thunder_Child | stupidity..... |
| 18:21.14 | kneeki | Lunessa: I like how sex is your #2 .... a/s/l? =P |
| 18:21.17 | dbguy | kneeki: AceGUI-3.0? yeah.. |
| 18:21.33 | Lunessa | kneeki: Not your type. :P |
| 18:21.40 | kneeki | Lunessa: haha |
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| 18:22.50 | Thunder_Child | kneeki, more your style? http://notalwaysright.com/recipe-for-an-interesting-evening/1748 |
| 18:23.14 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.09 | dbguy | jnwhiteh: Everything for x86 use Assembly. |
| 18:24.32 | dbguy | I was just wondering if using FrameXML directly will get me ten times more useless work |
| 18:25.00 | dbguy | i.e. work that many others have already done so I wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel |
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| 18:28.55 | kneeki | dbguy: wouldn't it depend on what your trying to do? |
| 18:29.09 | kneeki | s/your/you're |
| 18:29.32 | Thunder_Child | trailing slash!! |
| 18:29.43 | kneeki | oh |
| 18:29.48 | Thunder_Child | to late though |
| 18:29.48 | kneeki | teehee |
| 18:29.52 | dbguy | Of course, I was just thinking if there is a general purpose, easy-to-learn UI library available.. |
| 18:30.21 | kneeki | dbguy: I have personally not had much luck with using Ace |
| 18:30.54 | dbguy | To be honest my addon uses Ace3 for it's core stuff so I haven't had to write one bit of XML |
| 18:30.57 | kneeki | I think it's a great idea, but if you are using one outdated ace library, it can cause chaos. Which is what happend in my case. |
| 18:31.10 | dbguy | I'm just missing a pretty GUI.. /dumping variables to get data out of it is getting boring fast :) |
| 18:31.19 | kneeki | dbguy: I don't use XML with the exception to anchors, as that's easiest |
| 18:33.30 | dbguy | maybe I should just suck it up and learn the FrameXML way |
| 18:34.33 | Lunessa | FrameXML way sounds like a comic book slogan. "They fight for Truth, Justice and the FrameXML Way!" |
| 18:34.59 | dbguy | :) |
| 18:35.51 | Lunessa | dbguy: The best thing to do is clearly define what you want to so, and then look at the API to see if the features you want are already easily accessible. Then, if not, see if a Library will provide you want you need/want. |
| 18:36.31 | dbguy | I suppose you're right |
| 18:38.03 | Lunessa | In either case, you need to know the WoW API - wowprograming.com and wowwiki.com will help you in that regard. WoWace.com has all the Ace3 library stuff. |
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| 18:38.46 | kneeki | http://www.picdumps4.me/picdumps/48/11.jpg |
| 18:38.47 | kneeki | rofl |
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| 18:45.24 | Lunessa | kneeki: http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-graphs-dark-tunnel.gif |
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| 18:49.45 | Mysticell | Hmm, how would I put two arguments in a command? Something like /whisper player this text here |
| 18:53.02 | Lunessa | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 18:53.08 | cncfanatics | http://xkcd.com/562/ is epic win |
| 18:54.17 | Lunessa | *fwoosh* |
| 18:54.18 | Duman | lol @ http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/07/its-just-cool-defendus-lock-system/ |
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| 19:26.33 | Shirik | Hey, does anyone have an idea of an addon which allows you to track the quantity of items you've farmed? |
| 19:26.37 | Shirik | So, say, you're trying to get 200 ore |
| 19:26.39 | Shirik | etc |
| 19:26.46 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 19:26.58 | Thunder_Child | i dont know of the name offhand but i know there is some |
| 19:27.27 | VonhintenHOME` | I used xloot monitor for that, but it's not really a tracker counter |
| 19:27.30 | Aelobin | Shirik: i can only help you if you're farming zandalar rep :P |
| 19:27.39 | Zyndrome | it's called Models-R-Shit |
| 19:27.42 | Zyndrome | looks confused |
| 19:28.07 | foxlit | Just make a #showtooltip macro :) |
| 19:28.25 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/farmed.aspx ? |
| 19:28.32 | Shirik | that's a curse ink |
| 19:28.34 | Shirik | link |
| 19:28.39 | Thunder_Child | it's not on wowi |
| 19:28.56 | Thunder_Child | and i know exactly what kind of link it is |
| 19:29.07 | Thunder_Child | nor should it matter |
| 19:29.30 | Aelobin | is there an Lua library similiar to rexlib that allows regex in wow? |
| 19:29.57 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 19:30.05 | jnwhiteh | nor is there much need for it |
| 19:30.12 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 19:30.53 | Aelobin | well i need it ^^ |
| 19:31.09 | Aelobin | would like to be able to use | in pattern matching for "or" |
| 19:32.59 | Shirik | make a perl interpreter for lua |
| 19:33.02 | Fisker- | ~kiss Shirik |
| 19:33.03 | purl | ACTION forces Shirik to give brykrys a big kiss on the ear |
| 19:33.07 | Shirik | that'll make people mad at you |
| 19:33.24 | Stanzilla | Shirik: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12807-Nongren.html ? |
| 19:33.27 | mikma | HANG HIIIIIM! |
| 19:33.33 | Fisker- | ~kiss Mikk |
| 19:33.34 | purl | ACTION forces Mikk to give Cairenn|afk a big kiss on the ear |
| 19:33.37 | Fisker- | damn you Mikk |
| 19:34.01 | brykrys | ick, now I'll have to wash my ear |
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| 19:34.39 | brykrys | weren't due to wash it till next month |
| 19:36.10 | Shirik | Thanks Thunder_Child |
| 19:37.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.howlongcouldyoulastonagaypirateship.com/index.php <-- borderline nsfw but not really |
| 19:38.28 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:38.28 | purl | resizes ScytheBlade1's terminal to 40x24 |
| 19:39.45 | Thunder_Child | seems i could last 6 months |
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| 19:44.12 | Aelobin | i could last 3 :P |
| 19:49.47 | Lunessa | sbo - that was terrible. |
| 19:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | yup. 100% terrible. |
| 19:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Got it from a guild forum which got it from digg |
| 19:50.55 | kd3 | gah. it's april... what the hell is it doing being 45f outside? |
| 19:50.57 | Lunessa | I think the answers are random and the point is to make not-so-veild gay jokes during the "question" phase. |
| 19:51.04 | kd3 | looks for more clothes |
| 19:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 19:52.02 | AckisWork | Lunessa: can I spend 6 months on an island with you? |
| 19:52.26 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Getting a Sex Change then are you? |
| 19:53.08 | AckisWork | negative |
| 19:53.23 | mikma | Anyone here has Spotify invites left? |
| 19:53.30 | Lunessa | Then the answer is no. |
| 19:54.54 | AckisWork | :( |
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| 20:00.58 | Thunder_Child | freezing your ass off kd3, thats what 45f is doing |
| 20:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1190731&cid=27490363 |
| 20:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | and also, 45f is pretty darn warm |
| 20:02.38 | Thunder_Child | as a comparison to somewhere cold? or just in general |
| 20:02.58 | ScytheBlade1 | as compared to my current state of being/location |
| 20:03.06 | Thunder_Child | ya, thats pointless then |
| 20:03.31 | AckisWork | what is 45F in real temp? |
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| 20:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | 7.2C |
| 20:03.54 | Thunder_Child | esp. since your comment didnt have a frame of reference |
| 20:04.15 | AckisWork | that's colder than here, but still beautiful weather |
| 20:04.17 | Lunessa | kd3: Drink irish coffee and stay the hell indoors. |
| 20:06.24 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5201428/logitech-g19-keyboard-review "which borders on ludicrous with its embedded Linux mini-computer" |
| 20:06.29 | Thunder_Child | oh my |
| 20:07.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just what I need, another monitor. |
| 20:07.19 | Thunder_Child | i want more monitors....but not like that |
| 20:07.37 | Vangual | i wonder if it can run synergy2 :) |
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| 20:09.42 | Thunder_Child | Vangual, sounds like you have to hack it due to the lack of open source |
| 20:09.53 | Thunder_Child | atm |
| 20:11.14 | VonhintenHOME` | Is it just me, or is Pally Power totally borked up with the latest changes |
| 20:11.30 | Vangual | hrm? the review says it's open source? or do they just mean open lcd-api? |
| 20:14.28 | Thunder_Child | Vangual, meh, i misread it |
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| 20:17.42 | Thunder_Child | aussies may hate the service the get from blizzard but now they will be able to hate that service really really fast http://i.gizmodo.com/5201915/australia-to-stimulate-itself-with-government+backed-100+megabit-fiber-broadband-for-90-of-oz |
| 20:20.38 | Mysticell | packs his bags and moves to Australia. |
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| 20:22.07 | xqo | Hello! Is an event fired when someone in your guild logs in? |
| 20:23.55 | Mysticell | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE is the closest you'll probably get for specifically guild members going online / offline |
| 20:24.02 | Rincewind` | does anyone know if the US realms got patched ? |
| 20:24.03 | jnwhiteh | if the default UI responds to it (it does) then yes |
| 20:24.15 | jnwhiteh | Rincewind`: not until the 14th |
| 20:24.17 | kd3 | Rincewind`, neg. rolling restarts |
| 20:24.30 | Lukian | jnwhiteh, is that confirmed? |
| 20:24.35 | jnwhiteh | Lukian: all but |
| 20:24.36 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 20:25.01 | Rincewind` | sigh I really wanted to do my holy spec tomorrow on EU realms. |
| 20:25.04 | xqo | Mysticell, i dont think so, wowprogramming quote: "Fires when an update is available to the guild roster. Typically indicates if a player has joined or left your guild." |
| 20:25.29 | xqo | what about PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE? the description is kind of vague |
| 20:26.06 | xqo | "Fires when something about a characters position in a guild changes." |
| 20:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | xqo: you could always install devtools, open the event trace log, and then watch what event fires when someone logs in. |
| 20:26.26 | Mysticell | that's when someone is kicked or quits, etc |
| 20:26.41 | Thunder_Child | or changes rank |
| 20:26.43 | Mysticell | Description of GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE: "Fired when the client's guild info cache has been updated after a call to GuildRoster() or after any data change in the guild's data, excluding the Guild Information window." |
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| 20:27.07 | Mysticell | Would online players not be cached and the cache updated to show if someone is logged in? |
| 20:27.33 | jnwhiteh | find out what the option in the defualt UI uses. |
| 20:27.36 | jnwhiteh | problem solved. |
| 20:27.46 | Thunder_Child | and something has to trigger the chat msg about so and so has loged on/off |
| 20:27.56 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 20:28.08 | Thunder_Child | pokes jnwhiteh |
| 20:30.05 | jnwhiteh | i've got the cvar |
| 20:30.10 | jnwhiteh | and the text :P |
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| 20:31.27 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have the text of that message |
| 20:31.32 | jnwhiteh | that would give us what we need |
| 20:32.13 | xqo | playername has come online. |
| 20:32.34 | jnwhiteh | if its that exactly |
| 20:32.37 | jnwhiteh | then its sent by the server? |
| 20:32.38 | jnwhiteh | which i doubt |
| 20:32.56 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 20:32.56 | jnwhiteh | duh |
| 20:33.20 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 20:33.23 | jnwhiteh | this is hacky |
| 20:33.25 | xqo | its the same as when your friends log on |
| 20:33.27 | jnwhiteh | but its how the default UI does it |
| 20:33.31 | jnwhiteh | as far as I can tell |
| 20:33.35 | jnwhiteh | one moment |
| 20:33.49 | jnwhiteh | register for UI_ERROR_MESSAGE |
| 20:34.04 | jnwhiteh | check if arg1 == ERR_FRIEND_ONLINE_SS |
| 20:34.09 | Duman | hugs Cairenn |
| 20:34.11 | jnwhiteh | that means its either a friend or a guildmember |
| 20:34.18 | jnwhiteh | you can check if they're your friend to see if they're in your guild, etc. |
| 20:34.19 | Cairenn | hugs Duman |
| 20:34.20 | jnwhiteh | that should catch it |
| 20:34.48 | xqo | awesome |
| 20:34.50 | xqo | thanks a bunch! |
| 20:35.01 | jnwhiteh | please test first |
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| 20:36.23 | AckisWork | omg lol http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/07/funny-pictures-video-cat-ambush/ |
| 20:36.51 | Lunessa | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1625 - someone has to have retouched this. |
| 20:36.54 | Shirik | jnwhiteh :/ |
| 20:36.59 | Shirik | why is that called ERR_FRIEND_ONLINE_SS |
| 20:37.04 | Shirik | i.e., what is "ERR" and "SS"? |
| 20:37.09 | Shirik | ERR I think "error" |
| 20:37.11 | Shirik | and that's not really an error |
| 20:37.23 | kd3 | "Error: Task completed successfully." |
| 20:37.46 | kd3 | isn't that one of the tech support guy's signature? |
| 20:37.57 | Shirik | But that's an actual error code |
| 20:38.04 | Shirik | Error code 0x0: The operation completed successfully. |
| 20:38.07 | Shirik | Most people do that |
| 20:39.12 | kd3 | rgah! damned cat |
| 20:39.18 | kd3 | wonders if he can fix his headset cable |
| 20:40.18 | Lunessa | kd3: Get a wireless one. it is $$ |
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| 20:41.12 | AckisWork | I has a wireless one, it's USB though |
| 20:41.20 | xqo | jnwhiteh, how do i get the playername? |
| 20:41.25 | kd3 | meh, usb is fine. my old one was |
| 20:42.27 | Lunessa | I have the XBox360 wireless receiver and headset. I've been using it for 1.5 years. I heart it muchly. |
| 20:43.27 | AckisWork | kd3: the other issue with it is that it's a creative one |
| 20:43.36 | kd3 | urgh |
| 20:43.46 | AckisWork | i know i know |
| 20:43.59 | Duman | sigh |
| 20:43.59 | AckisWork | it won't work in win7 or something retarded like that |
| 20:45.10 | AckisWork | kd3: http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=442&product=17506&listby= |
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| 20:46.43 | Lunessa | kd3: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessheadset/ |
| 20:46.44 | AckisWork | the charge on it doesn't last 8 hours IMO but it's still decent |
| 20:47.35 | Shirik | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43308 |
| 20:47.35 | Shirik | o.o |
| 20:48.14 | xqo | do anyone know how to fetch the playername from the event we were just talking about? (<UI_ERROR_MESSAGE>.ERR_FRIEND_ONLINE_SS) |
| 20:49.08 | Thunder_Child | parse chat |
| 20:50.02 | xqo | speaking of chat |
| 20:50.04 | xqo | CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_JOIN |
| 20:50.11 | xqo | does guild count as a channel_ |
| 20:50.12 | xqo | ? |
| 20:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're going to be buying a headset, buy Sennheiser. |
| 20:51.27 | xqo | get the Logitech 5h v2 |
| 20:51.37 | xqo | i just bought it myself, spent a week trying to figure out which one to buy |
| 20:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://sennheiserusa.com/newsite/category.asp?transid=cat2 |
| 20:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | or http://sennheiserusa.com/newsite/category.asp?transid=catComputer |
| 20:55.42 | DWSR | Anyone remember the game for NGC called like Product 05? |
| 20:55.58 | DWSR | You were like some cyborg girl thing and you did spinny awesomeness with guns? |
| 20:59.27 | DWSR | oh, got it. :P |
| 20:59.32 | DWSR | PN03 |
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| 21:12.36 | kneeki | So, in my DPS meter addon, I am using a funtion which counts the entries of a table up into one large number, removing each of those entries that is over 15 seconds ago. To display it, i'm dividing that large number by 15 (I don't know why I'm doing it this way). How should I be doing that? |
| 21:12.40 | kneeki | ^ confusing |
| 21:13.30 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/111854 <- all the code to my DPS meter. If it helps |
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| 21:15.07 | kneeki | btw, the DPS output its giving seems to be fairly correct. But does not match Recount much |
| 21:15.54 | VonhintenHOME` | why would it? recount doesn't limit to 15 second windows |
| 21:16.05 | VonhintenHOME` | a characters DPS varies widely in 15 second windows |
| 21:16.16 | kneeki | Think I should make it larger? |
| 21:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | a moving average over 15s is a pretty good thing to look at |
| 21:16.54 | VonhintenHOME` | Do whatever you want, you're the one reinventing the wheel :) |
| 21:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | But just like a 60s, 120s, full fight window, or full night window isn't the complete picture |
| 21:17.04 | kneeki | VonhintenHOME`: lol yes I am |
| 21:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | *it isn't the complete picture |
| 21:17.39 | kneeki | ScytheBlade1: Well, I'd like to get it as close as I can to what recount displays |
| 21:17.59 | kneeki | I ... herm |
| 21:17.59 | Lunessa | Why not do a) "collect damage values" b) "start at REGEN_DISABLED" and c) "end at RENGEN_ENABLED" and divide value a by time elapsed between b & c? |
| 21:18.01 | foxlit | Find a *stable* window. teehee! |
| 21:18.03 | kneeki | I'm not using an average |
| 21:18.35 | kneeki | Lunessa: I'd like it to be displayed and updated every .5 or 1 second. Not at the end of every fight |
| 21:19.32 | Lunessa | Then just know that a 15 second window is going to show very "spikey" graphs for lots types. |
| 21:19.34 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: well thats a overall DPS, but you might want a live DPS with a sliding average, thats always interesting to look at |
| 21:19.43 | kneeki | Lunessa: yeah, that's what I want |
| 21:19.56 | kneeki | Spikey is neat (to me) |
| 21:20.25 | Taroven | Anyone got a few minutes to help me figure out how to organize some tables? |
| 21:20.26 | Lunessa | You're going to be looking at spikes from procs, cooldowns, etc. - especially for casters with long casting times. |
| 21:20.52 | kneeki | Taroven: pasty them |
| 21:20.52 | foxlit | meh |
| 21:20.58 | foxlit | starfire is iirc the longest cast time nuke |
| 21:21.04 | kneeki | Lunessa: mhmm |
| 21:21.09 | foxlit | 15 / 3 ~ 5 casts in window |
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| 21:21.19 | foxlit | Shouldn't be that much of a spike :) |
| 21:21.19 | cncfanatics | frostfire bolt has the same as starfire iirc |
| 21:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: 3.5s? it ties with fireball (untalented) |
| 21:21.25 | Taroven | kneeki: Haven't built them yet. >.> |
| 21:21.32 | cncfanatics | noone spams untalented fireballs though |
| 21:21.37 | foxlit | Yeah, but everyone and their mom has the -cast time talents |
| 21:21.40 | kneeki | Taroven: What are you trying to organize then? |
| 21:21.45 | Adys | to anyone familiar with ajax, is there a way to get the url of a xmlHttpRequest response? |
| 21:21.55 | Lunessa | And Soulfire, etc. I guess it really depends on what you want to track. |
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| 21:45.49 | alestane | kneeki: Maybe something sort of like a peak level meter for damage? Displays highest DPS, lowest, total average, and recent average? |
| 21:46.11 | kneeki | alestane: ooo, that's a neat idea |
| 21:46.21 | alestane | That way you can see where you are. |
| 21:46.41 | alestane | Sort of like the level meters on a tape deck or graphic equalizer. |
| 21:47.03 | alestane | They usually have a "sticky light" that displays the last high point. |
| 21:47.29 | alestane | Make it graphical if you really want to get fancy. |
| 21:48.23 | kneeki | alestane: That sounds like a fun project, even if nobody else would ever use it ;) |
| 21:48.37 | alestane | You'd be surprised. |
| 21:49.24 | Taroven | I'd totally use it. =P |
| 21:49.35 | kneeki | lol |
| 21:49.46 | alestane | But audio levels and DPS are probably subject to a lot of the same types of analysis...they're both constantly changing numbers where you're interested in both aggregate trends and immediate values. |
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| 21:50.08 | maul | hi |
| 21:50.20 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.23 | maul | can anyone help me with some basic questions in msg? |
| 21:50.33 | Kaso | maul, ask you questions in channel |
| 21:50.36 | alestane | in "msg"? |
| 21:50.39 | Kaso | thats what the channel is for |
| 21:50.56 | maul | too bad people already wrote me:) |
| 21:51.29 | Shirik | be aware that the more you limit your audience, the greater your chance of getting a wrong answer |
| 21:52.01 | Kaso | Shirik's words of wisdom |
| 21:52.46 | Lunessa | For example, asking me is likely to get you a half-assed answer and a point to a wiki or book. |
| 21:53.01 | foxlit | pesters Nechckn some more |
| 21:57.52 | alestane | kneeki: also cool if you could control whether it was data for this fight, this dungeon, this hour, this week, etc. |
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| 22:11.20 | alestane | "insults: If set, sudo will insult users when they enter an incorrectpassword. This flag is off by default." |
| 22:11.21 | alestane | Win. |
| 22:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 22:14.19 | foxlit | iTunes: "I M*ss You - Basshunter" |
| 22:14.31 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 22:14.33 | foxlit | So, I wonder which vowel warranted censoring that. |
| 22:14.56 | DWSR | idd |
| 22:15.07 | DWSR | I have no idea. |
| 22:15.38 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe it's just the name of the song? |
| 22:16.11 | foxlit | Unless google has issues with searching for "m*ss", it doesn't seem that way |
| 22:16.47 | foxlit | oh wow, comedy |
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| 22:19.58 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/itns.png |
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| 22:23.49 | kd3 | mmm... tomato soup |
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| 22:28.58 | mikma | foxlit: i miss you too |
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| 22:29.12 | foxlit | but I m*ss you more! |
| 22:31.19 | DWSR | foxlit: wtf? |
| 22:31.51 | DWSR | Not allowed to say Miss in your country? |
| 22:32.05 | Lunessa | that's just the wildcard in the search. |
| 22:32.12 | Duman | heh |
| 22:32.15 | Duman | mass? |
| 22:32.16 | Duman | moss? |
| 22:32.25 | foxlit | myss. It's deeply offensive. |
| 22:32.32 | Duman | hmm, guess you can put any vowel in there |
| 22:32.40 | Duman | "and sometimes y" |
| 22:32.45 | ronghail | myss |
| 22:32.57 | foxlit | You mean to tell me that it's just my local store? :) |
| 22:33.22 | DWSR | foxlit: Don't get those results in the US store |
| 22:33.24 | foxlit | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7688705.stm |
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| 22:34.06 | foxlit | "E*****a - Madonna" |
| 22:34.09 | foxlit | I so wonder! |
| 22:34.44 | mikma | J****y Cash |
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| 23:10.12 | Shirik | Can anyone confirm for me that the error you can get periodically really is "That item is busy" when looting, e.g., badges? |
| 23:10.17 | Shirik | correct words and caps? |
| 23:11.52 | kd3 | think it's object, not item. but otherwise, ya |
| 23:16.31 | Shirik | you sure it's object? :) |
| 23:16.35 | Shirik | I don't know, kd3, I'm just asking |
| 23:16.50 | End | I think it's object, too, but I can't be sure without seeing it again |
| 23:17.00 | Shirik | also you know what sucks |
| 23:17.08 | Shirik | you can't distribute loot all at the same time! |
| 23:17.13 | Shirik | You have to distribute them one at a time :( |
| 23:17.17 | End | fail? |
| 23:17.32 | Shirik | otherwise the server assigns the loot, but refuses to send it to the player |
| 23:17.35 | Shirik | which is very odd |
| 23:21.20 | Shirik | based on http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=8C19545998309A7EB522D6DA03325E55?topicId=96002966&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 23:21.22 | Shirik | I think it's object |
| 23:21.27 | Shirik | (#35) |
| 23:27.04 | mikma | lol |
| 23:27.17 | mikma | i just noticed that Dragonbreath Chili gets removed if you go in water |
| 23:27.23 | mikma | also, you can't use the food in water... |
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| 23:29.53 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
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| 23:45.43 | theorbtwo | Shirik: For a while, all the time, I'd get that when trying to skin an animal too quickly after looting it. |
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| 23:50.21 | KarlKFI | wait why are they testing BT? |
| 23:52.14 | KarlKFI | oh ok, necro bumped |
| 23:53.00 | yabo | for i, v in pairs(list) do |
| 23:53.12 | yabo | does that for start with list[0] or does it start with list[1]? |
| 23:53.38 | KarlKFI | pairs does not have garenteed ordering |
| 23:53.51 | yabo | oh yeah... i should use ipairs? |
| 23:53.56 | KarlKFI | ipairs would start with 1, as all Lua lists do |
| 23:54.02 | yabo | great, thanks |
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