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02:55.12Shirikpurl, wb
02:55.12purlIt's great to be back!
02:55.18ScytheBlade1~failrik
02:55.19purlFAIL, Shirik, FAIL!
02:55.22ScytheBlade1purl: thanks
02:55.22purlScytheBlade1: gern geschehen
02:56.35ScytheBlade1lol
02:56.37ScytheBlade1war3 game
02:56.38ScytheBlade1http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=16137365685&sid=3000
02:56.44ScytheBlade1Going on 3 days in length
02:58.09ScytheBlade1Mysticell: that looks correct
03:09.21Sixenoh lawd.
03:09.25SixenDon't bother reading WGDF.
03:09.39ScytheBlade1indeed
03:13.36TemVent Gems: "You have to say 'no' before it's sexual harassment"
03:16.55Temokay, spider wing down no deaths
03:22.10Temwow
03:22.13Tembest 2s name ever
03:22.17Tem"Goats smell good"
03:23.13ScytheBlade1er?
03:23.23ScytheBlade1I don't get it?
03:23.49Temit's just so random
03:32.30Arrowmasterim bored and amazingly actually managed to find a dvd i havent watched
03:34.39NightHawkTheSaneAnyone know a good sci-fi series i should watch? I need something new to start watching
03:34.59ScytheBlade1TNG!
03:35.14cog|book^
03:35.30NightHawkTheSaneits actually on my list, after DS9, which i'm currently working through. :P
03:35.33ScytheBlade1lol
03:35.38Arrowmastereureka
03:35.38ScytheBlade1Well then there you have it
03:35.49cog|booki've got ds9 & voyager intermixed in my netflix queue and have all tng dvds :P
03:35.53TemSapph down
03:35.55Temonly KT left
03:36.03ScytheBlade1I looked at the complete TNG boxed set
03:36.15ScytheBlade1Then I realized two things
03:36.15NightHawkTheSaneI'm a dirty pirate, so i downloaded all of voyager, and ds9
03:36.22ScytheBlade1http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Next-Generation-Complete/dp/B000RZIGVS/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1238988971&sr=8-1
03:36.31ScytheBlade11) I don't have $340
03:36.41ScytheBlade1http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/money.png
03:36.45ScytheBlade12) See 1
03:36.57Mysticell3) See 2
03:39.36cog|booki bought the individual seasons sporadically
03:39.45cog|book5-7 then 1-4
03:40.39ScytheBlade1I will say though, that the first episode of TNG is amazingly corny
03:40.40ronghailnetflix
03:41.02cog|bookyeah... i'm glad they built q a sturdier platform for the final episode :P
03:41.07ScytheBlade1heh
03:41.11ScytheBlade1indeed
03:42.03kd3$.34
03:42.08kd3reminds me of my checking balance
03:42.17ScytheBlade1kd3: that IS my checking balance
03:42.41ScytheBlade1Although as I said on a guild forum
03:42.47cog|booki do all my spending on credit cards and pay it off (usually) ... cash back rewards 4tw
03:43.02ScytheBlade1"I'm pretty well off for a college student.. I've got a savings account in the three digits area!"
03:44.22ScytheBlade1That's one thing I have going for me, no debt in any form so far
03:45.02cog|booki'm willing to trade some future wealth for current comfort ;)
03:45.12ScytheBlade1lol
03:45.24ScytheBlade1and it clearly works for you
03:53.21Temoh wow
03:53.24TemKT is so stressfull
03:53.33Temgood thing I'm just sitting on my thumbs until next phase
03:56.54ScytheBlade1Tem: time to stress!
03:57.49TemDOLOROS THE IMMORTAL
03:58.40sacarascGrats, Tem.
03:59.19TemThanks :)
04:01.36WobWorkwoo! Grats Tem!
04:01.44NeoTronGrats
04:01.47NeoTronand
04:01.48Temso
04:01.50NeoTronI hate you
04:01.51NeoTron:)
04:01.51TemI'm now done
04:02.04WobWorkNow all there is is Ulduar =)
04:02.06TemI have Glory of the Raider, Heroic Glory of the Raider and Glory of the Hero
04:02.32WobWorkIs that enough for Drake?
04:02.36ScytheBlade1grats
04:03.44sacarascTem: Achievement whore! ;p
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04:04.37TemWobWork, it's for 3 drakes
04:04.50WobWorknah, I meant the achievement reward
04:05.00Fisker-it's for 3 drakes
04:05.03WobWorkwhere you get the protodrake
04:05.13Endit gets mailed to you I'd guess
04:05.22Fisker-The reward of glory of the <x> is the mount
04:05.35End(if we're talking about the protodrakes)
04:05.45WobWorkThat's what I'm referring to =)
04:06.29airtonixSetPoint is the component of dragged frames that interacts and decides wether to use layout-cache.txt variables ?
04:06.39airtonixor is it some other aspect?
04:06.56Temso
04:07.04Fisker-did blizzard remove all the retarded ads again?
04:07.08TemI was tanking the icecrown guardians
04:07.15Temand I got blocked
04:09.08MysticellOdd... my addon's not showing up in the list
04:10.05WobWorkblocked?
04:10.17Mysticellthe ice block Kel'Thuzad does
04:10.37Fisker-https://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8611151710&pageNo=1&sid=1 <-HOLY SHIT
04:10.39Fisker-i lol'd
04:11.53Mysticell<anything>  <snip>
04:14.02Fisker-lol with me!
04:15.07airtonixwahhh game isnt mailing me purples, fix now plz
04:17.01sacarascFisker-: I lol'd.
04:17.33Fisker-you should
04:18.15TewanLOL
04:22.36durcynthe only good thing in that thread is the masturbating panda bear avatar
04:26.07Aquathis is legal right: if case1 and case2 and case3 then
04:26.40Aquaso like, if name and string.find(name, "14047") and counter < 12 then
04:26.57SyzgynFisker-: That is lolworthy
04:27.16SyzgynAqua: Yes
04:27.51MysticellReloading your UI will reload all of the lua files from disk, right?
04:27.57Aquayup
04:28.01MysticellOkay, thanks
04:28.08Aquaso you can modify a lua file and reload and your changes will take effect
04:28.48MysticellYep, exactly what I was hoping for
04:30.41MysticellHmm, slash commands aren't working for some reason
04:31.30Mysticellah, I see why
04:31.35Mysticellused ' instaed of "
04:31.50Aquai always get hung up on spelling
04:31.53Aquaor capatilzation
04:31.59Aquaside effect of coding while tired
04:32.34MysticellOnly my fifth addon, first one to actually communicate, register events, etc
04:32.46SyzgynAqua: Just wait till you start reading your code from a day/week/month ago and thinking 'WTF is this shit?!'
04:32.55Mysticelllol
04:33.21MysticellI'm glad I put a comment once every ten lines or so
04:33.41Mysticellor else I would've been clueless about this, because I started it a few months ago and never got around to finishing it
04:34.24SyzgynI've been updating my code for 3.1, and it's somewhat sad reading through it again
04:35.04kd3whee, heroic: denyin' the scion
04:35.15ZorbaTHutsyz, this is why my code usually ends up sprinkled with "-- I don't know what drugs I was on when I wrote this"
04:35.23MysticellI'm glad my code's just simple enough that it doesn't need updated every patch
04:35.25SyzgynHehe
04:35.26Mysticelllol
04:35.38SyzgynMysticell: I think everyone wishes that at some point
04:36.30ZorbaTHutthat's one thing I really like about QH, it has a very small API interface
04:36.49ZorbaTHut3.1 is under 100 lines of code, and that includes handling two entire new features in 3.1
04:37.07Syzgyn3.1 actually let me remove about a third of the code from Urban Achiever
04:37.25SyzgynSince theres the fancy new quest/achievement tracking frame built in
04:37.58MysticellWell, it's simple code, it just doesn't work... yet.
04:39.20MysticellIs there a difference between ' and " when creating a slash command list, or can you ues either of them as long as it's consistant?
04:39.43ShirikMysticell: Strings in lua can be created with either ' or "
04:39.45cog|bookthe only difference is that one allows the other inside of it
04:40.13MysticellThen I suppose that's not my issue
04:40.37ScytheBlade1"There's enough BS in your post to solve world hunger."
04:40.41ScytheBlade1mmm, /. comments
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04:46.31Mysticellhmm, well, I believe I've found some errors in my code... hope this fixes it
04:48.46batrickI like it when people tell me I shouldn't protest the new policy when it doesn't affect my addons.
04:48.58batricksighs.
04:49.54Cairennsighs
04:49.55MysticellWhy don't you like it?
04:50.27batrickI think the Author of Outfitter and Cogwheel put it best, just look around.
04:50.46cog|bookbatrick: can't look around for me any more :P
04:50.52Cairenncan't look at cog's posts on the blizz forums
04:50.54batrickYa : /
04:51.02Cairennbut you can still read any he made on WoWI
04:51.03batrickYou can look at cog's facebook group.
04:51.08Cairennor that
04:52.21Cairennstill absolutely hates this entire charlie foxtrot
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04:57.16MysticellI'm personally glad to see that code has to be visible now.  I wasn't really one to look at my addons before installing them, but you never know when you're going to get one that could do more than you bargained for
04:58.04cog|bookresists
04:58.12ZorbaTHutand you're still not going to, honestly - treacherous code is incredibly easy to write, especially with tools like loadstring(). and it's not like anyone actually reads the code :P
04:59.08MysticellYeah
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05:01.09kd3bites his tongue
05:01.28ZorbaTHuthttp://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1533212 <-- if something like this can slip through on *accident*, then obviously someone could inject something malicious into a WoW UI mod without even breaking a sweat :)
05:01.50ZorbaTHutOn the other hand, it makes it slightly harder, at least.
05:02.38cog|bookcontinues resisting
05:02.49MysticellSo that's basically gone for two years without anyone noticing?
05:02.51|Jelly|Give in, cog.
05:03.09batrickO man
05:03.15batrickI sense an epic argument coming
05:03.20cog|booknah... i gave up
05:03.24WobWorkwell.. you can reduce the chance of malicious code by only using addons from people you trust
05:03.25MysticellCog, I want your magical powers to help cleanup my code :P
05:03.40ZorbaTHutmysticell, yeah, it was. I went and had to reset a few of my keys. It was quite, quite bad.
05:04.04ZorbaTHutterrible security disaster, although I haven't heard of any actual hacks or exploits based on it
05:04.07Cairennwelcome to the club, I've been biting my tongue since the day this all blew up
05:04.53kd3still sighs at the lack of blue posts
05:04.53MysticellOT: Man, why did SmartFTP have to go to paid-only... that was like a year ago, but I'm finally going to have to buy it soon
05:05.04kd3but enough of that, I've got to open today
05:05.12ZorbaTHutman, I think I use FTP maybe once a year
05:05.24MysticellI used it daily when the SmartFTP trial was still going
05:05.28WobWorkMysticell: Filezilla?
05:05.32Mysticellnah
05:05.39MysticellMust... have... SmartFTP
05:05.48WobWorkgo pay for it then =)
05:05.52MysticellI'll probably find something else to use sooner or later, but meh
05:06.09Cairenncore ftp lite is what I use
05:06.21Mysticellhmm... never heard of that before, I'll have to check it out
05:06.26MysticellI use this phpBB skin for my guild's forums and it's almost an exact replica of the Blizz forums
05:06.27Cairennmind you, I also don't need to deal with ftp very often
05:06.33Mysticelllol
05:07.56ShirikI feel bad for htis team
05:08.02Shirikwe've gotten the same team like 10 times in a row
05:08.06Shiriklost to them every time
05:08.10Shirikllost 1 point every time
05:08.15Shiriksuch a waste of their time
05:09.04WobWorkhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/formforce/3409362834/sizes/o/ <-- warning. large png
05:09.35batrickWhy even play arena anymore?
05:09.55batrickI like that all my points get wiped and I haven't even been able to buy anything. F Blizzard.
05:10.00Cairennlink is broken on "original" size
05:10.34WobWorkCairenn: works for me?
05:10.45WobWorkit's a 2.6M file =)
05:11.52Mysticellwtb working /console worldport
05:14.39Shirikor /console logout
05:14.45Mysticell=/
05:15.02Sixen<PROTECTED>
05:15.11Mysticellyes!
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05:16.01Sixen=]
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05:16.39Mysticellooh
05:16.43SixenOh lawd.
05:18.01WobWorkThat's what -she- said!
05:18.11Sixenlol
05:18.24NightHawkTheSanehighfives WobWork
05:21.17MysticellAnyone free to look at http://antonidas.net/UIannounce.lua for me?
05:21.29Sixenk, looked at it.
05:21.29Sixenafk
05:21.35Sixen:)
05:21.44NightHawkTheSanelol
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05:22.16SixenLol, in all seriousness, gotta get up early. Heading to bed. Night guys.
05:22.29Sixen[and gals]
05:22.29ScytheBlade1night
05:22.31MysticellCya later
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06:15.00Thunder_Childhttp://failblog.org/2008/11/14/wall-fail/
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06:15.41ShirikDoes the server actually send location of stealthed players?
06:15.47Shirikit seems like it shouldn't
06:16.24AnduinLotharThere tem, this better? http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/476/screenshot040509231430.jpg
06:16.43Temmuch :)
06:19.24AnduinLotharstill have to figure out how to disable the vehical menu bar
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06:20.17Thunder_Child"Please try to touch 'no touch' sensor without touching it."
06:22.24Thunder_Childwow fail http://failblog.org/2008/11/04/pdt-fail/
06:25.09Cairenno.O
06:30.23AnduinLotharso.... wtf did they do to the rating system for arenas?
06:30.38AnduinLotharis 1600 the new 2000?
06:30.49AnduinLotharcause we only ever win like 2-8 points
06:30.59AnduinLotharand when we lose it's like 20...
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06:34.15ShirikAnduinLothar: I don't think so
06:34.25Shirikbecause I was never 2k back then and I'm 1750 now
06:35.51AnduinLotharso.... i played for a few weeks crappily and tanked my rating down to 1275...
06:36.01AnduinLotharthe teams down there are harder than the ones at 1500
06:36.05Shiriklol
06:36.53AnduinLothari've calculated that we need about 25-0 to get to 1615 ina  week
06:37.06VonhintenHOME`Anyone heard an item level for Val'anyr yet?
06:41.38ShirikOk, pop quiz
06:41.44ShirikToday for my 5v5 team
06:41.50Shirikwe have won 15 games, lost 20
06:41.58ShirikGuess our arena point change
06:42.03Shirik(we started at 1500)
06:42.35AnduinLothar-100
06:42.39AnduinLotharno...
06:42.41AnduinLothar-200
06:43.01Shiriknot even close
06:43.05Shirikwould you like to keep trying?
06:43.13Shirikhere's a hint: it went up
06:43.21AnduinLotharcheaters!
06:43.41AnduinLotharare you all wearing greens?
06:44.49Shirikno
06:44.51Shirikwe're all in good gear
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06:45.37ShirikAnduinLothar: +150
06:45.41ShirikWe just lost another one
06:45.45Shiriknow we're +149
06:45.50AnduinLothar...
06:46.04ShirikEVERY one of losses has been against the #1 team on the battlegroup
06:46.08Shirik-1 point
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06:49.35Shirikok lost another one
06:49.37Shirik+148
06:49.41ShirikI'm really starting to get sick of this
06:53.07AnduinLothar8-1 and we're up 20pts....
06:53.27Shirik+147
06:55.33AnduinLothar8-2, we're up +2
06:55.39ZorbaTHutthe funny thing is that I bet the #1 team is as tired of killing you guys for essentially zero gain as you are tired of getting killed by them
06:56.28AnduinLothari'm tired of playing for 2 point wins and 20 point loses
07:03.57Thunder_ChildElkano, ping
07:06.38WobWorkhttp://kaguraengineering.blogspot.com/
07:06.44WobWorkI like this person's ideas =)
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07:08.44ElkanoThunder_Child pong!
07:10.35ShirikZorbaTHut: It brings an interesting question
07:10.45Shirikand why I asked earlier
07:10.54Shirikdoes the server actually send out where stealthed players are?
07:11.38ShirikNow 99% of the time I'm the one saying "no they're not hacking you just suck" but I swear, every single game their DK managed to drop dnd directly on our stealthed players, first try
07:11.42Shirikwhich is very unusual
07:11.54ZorbaTHutshirik, obviously that would be a bad idea, but I don't think it's possible to know without doing stuff that violates the EULA
07:11.56ShirikBut Blizzard is intelligent, I'm inclined to believe the server does not transmit the location of stealthed players
07:12.03Elkanodid they have a hunter?
07:12.10ZorbaTHutactually that's not true, it'd be easy to know
07:12.13jnwhitehor a hunter
07:12.13WobWorkhm
07:12.13Thunder_ChildElkano, is there an option to turn off the poly breaking in raid and i cant find it or did you not put one in?
07:12.15WobWorkhttp://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9707/screen15xnd.jpg
07:12.16jnwhitehor a human
07:12.20WobWorkanyone recognise that movie?
07:12.21Shirikit was a horde team
07:12.23jnwhitehperception exposes rogues
07:12.25Shirikas far as hunter, I don't even remember
07:12.25ZorbaTHutget person A and person B as enemies stealthed near each other
07:12.28ShirikI was paying attention to mage
07:12.29jnwhitehparanoia?
07:12.33Thunder_Childerr... Elkano, ignore me
07:12.36ZorbaTHutinduce a ton of lag on person A, then have person A walk on top of person B
07:12.40Thunder_Child~lart Thunder_Child
07:12.40purlstuffs Thunder_Child into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it
07:12.48ShirikZorbaTHut: I was considering doing something similar
07:12.48ZorbaTHutif the "destealth" effect is clientside, A will see B. if not, A won't until the lag clears up
07:12.58ShirikA while ago I found that there is a thread responsible for communications
07:13.04ShirikI accidentally suspended it while looking for something
07:13.11ShirikYou could just pause that thread and try
07:13.16ShirikI don't think that's against the EULA
07:13.20ZorbaTHutI mean unless Blizzard is incredibly stupid and the player location is transmitted but the "destealth" thing is still serverside, but I'm assuming not that
07:13.48Shirikalso, morning jnwhiteh
07:13.51ShirikCan I make a request of you?
07:13.54jnwhitehmorning
07:14.06ShirikCan you put GiveMasterLoot() into loot functions?
07:14.13ShirikI literally spent 30 minutes trying to figure that one out
07:14.20Shirikit's only under "raid functions" right now
07:14.25jnwhiteh...
07:14.27jnwhitehyou can do this
07:14.29jnwhitehyourself ><
07:14.29ShirikI can?
07:14.37jnwhitehyes.
07:14.41jnwhitehthe entire API is fully editable.
07:14.50WobWorksurpriseadmin!
07:14.50jnwhiteh(why don't people get this) =(
07:15.05Shirikoh what bullshit
07:15.08Shirikyour captcha is so mean
07:15.16jnwhitehyou only have to fill it in once
07:15.17ShirikThe number is 2.86 1/2
07:15.21Shirik1/2 is the character 1/2
07:15.27jnwhitehthis is why it works
07:15.30jnwhitehand hasn't been hacked.
07:15.31Shirikhow the hell I'm supposed to type that in!
07:15.36jnwhitehtype 1/2
07:15.39WobWorkaltcode?
07:15.41jnwhitehthat's why it gives you two words
07:15.45Shirikit's the character 1/2
07:15.47jnwhitehso
07:15.50jnwhitehits recaptcha
07:15.53jnwhitehthey take this into account
07:15.56tekkubShirik: it's easy, if you're a HUMAN
07:16.00jnwhitehyou match gainst what other users have typed.
07:16.00WobWorkhehe
07:16.01jnwhiteh><
07:16.09jnwhitehand http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#loot
07:16.11jnwhitehdone
07:16.14Shirik<3 you
07:16.15AnduinLotharbig if
07:16.22WobWorkso we can train it to respond to "x/y" if we wanted? =)
07:16.23ShirikI thought I could only edit the content
07:16.34jnwhitehno
07:16.36jnwhitehyou can edit everything
07:16.38krka½
07:16.40jnwhitehcategories is at the bottom
07:16.47jnwhitehcomma separated list
07:17.04Shirikanyway, gotta go to school
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07:23.33airtonixhi tekkub, a question about github if you have time
07:23.47tekkubaroooo?
07:24.22airtonixthe github api, there is plans for exposing a list of tags a given repo would contain?
07:25.22tekkubI don't know, defunkt has a big thread on support.github.com for API suggestions
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07:30.09airtonixcheers
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08:27.35zenzioanother amusing Slashdot comment (regarding North Korea's missile/rocket launch): "I wonder how many years this regime has left in it. I mean, it can't last forever. They're pissing away all their money on that massive army, and living on handouts from the likes of China."
08:27.43zenziothe reply: "Are you talking about North Korea, or the USA?"
08:29.30AnduinLothar^^
08:33.02Shirikzenzio: rofl
08:33.06Shirikthat's actually a pretty pro reply
08:33.32krkafunny because it's true
08:36.36AnduinLotharoh tem.... http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2838/screenshot040609013445.jpg
08:36.40AnduinLotharmy balls...
08:36.45AnduinLotharare bigger than yours
08:37.03AnduinLothars/balls/orbs
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08:45.29Thunder_Child"+AnduinLothar: oh tem...my balls...are bigger than yours" <--...no
08:47.05AnduinLotharthey are too! cause these are tems: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/368c6459b2b08231306d25a8005d94b9.jpg
08:48.26AnduinLotharmine are at least 4x ar big...
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09:33.00VonhintenHOME`There any easy way to log the chat that's currently in my chat window?
09:33.27nevcairielscreenshot :)
09:33.43nevcairielYou can turn on /chatlog, but that will only work for new chat
09:34.21VonhintenHOME`fuck
09:35.51VonhintenHOME`are the lines stored in a table somewhere?
09:36.30zenzioout of curiosity, what important data is currently in your chat log? :)
09:36.45VonhintenHOME`a conversation I want other people to see... rather long
09:37.21nevcairielwe usually just screenshot those and patch them together
09:37.23zenzioresize the chat window to fill most of the screen and screenshot it all, then (optionally) type it out yourself afterwards
09:37.35VonhintenHOME`yeah, it's restrictively long
09:37.42VonhintenHOME`it would take a dozen SS's
09:37.55nevcairielYou sure the full convo is still in the chat buffer, then?
09:37.57zenziowell the alternative is most likely losing it
09:38.05VonhintenHOME`most of it is
09:38.07zenzioso get SSing before it does vanish
09:40.08VonhintenHOME`yeah, goddamnit.. I hate merging SS's
09:40.40VonhintenHOME`I used to run Elephant.. but that's just what it was, a big fat bloated bastard of an animal that wouldn't let me copy/paste
09:41.25zenzioI find the chat window to be a little lacking in ways like this, but that's just how it is
09:54.38Shirikok time for a break
09:55.02Shirik3 hours straight writing a paper is enough to make anyone go insane, especially when it's about a topic as generic as "Project Management Profession"
09:59.11VonhintenHOME`The irony of that is startling
10:00.51VonhintenHOME`You need a chapter on "Hiring the right Motivational Speaker"
10:01.27VonhintenHOME`Every good project manager has to hire a motivational speaker to make the troops feel better about the bullshit they're being fed
10:03.40Shirikok so we have cracker jacks in the vending machine now
10:03.41Shirikthat's awesome
10:04.19VonhintenHOME`we had cracker jacks in our food cube for a while...
10:04.21VonhintenHOME`too sticky
10:04.53VonhintenHOME`food cube being the empty cubical that they put all the junk for us to eat
10:05.52Shirik[2. Trade] It's like a twix candy bar.. Just with more dirty sex pictures
10:05.59ShirikTrade chat gets wierder this late at night
10:06.03Shirikwhich is pretty hard to do
10:06.20VonhintenHOME`I still maintain that your company loves you if they give you free packages of david sunflower seeds
10:06.22Riffagewhat timezone you in?
10:06.29ShirikEastern
10:06.44Riffageah fair enough
10:07.41RiffageVonhintenHOME` I maintain that your company loves you in they make you redundan... wait a minute thats wrong
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10:09.15VonhintenHOME`I survived my 4th Layoff rounds last week, over 8 years
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10:11.14VonhintenHOME`I think once you survive 2 bad ones, you know you're not the kind of fat they're looking to trim
10:12.00Riffagethis is my first one at this company, but its a startup, and its going down the pan
10:12.30VonhintenHOME`lol, keep that resume fresh :)
10:12.48Riffageidd ;P
10:19.46ShirikVonhintenHOME`: Now here's the fun part
10:19.53nevcairielDoes the default UI have a radio box template?
10:19.58ShirikI've been searching for internships this year
10:20.02Shirikand omg has it been a pita
10:20.14ShirikInterestingly enough, though, there have been a lot of positions advertised as open
10:20.26ShirikIt gives you a good feeling that, despite the economy's status, my field's still in demand
10:20.29Shiriknevcairiel: To my knowledge, no
10:20.40nevcairielmm there is UIRadioButtonTemplate
10:20.44nevcairielchecks how it looks
10:22.49Shirikorly?
10:23.11ShirikI'm trying to think of radio buttons in the UI and I can't think of any
10:23.36ShirikIs it insufficient to use checkboxes with a customized handler for when they're clicked?
10:25.45nevcairielthe template doesnt seem to be used by anything
10:25.47nevcairielbut its there
10:26.27zenzioI would assume he was asking beacuse using an existing template could mean he wouldn't *have* to do a customized handler
10:26.35nevcairielWell, until now we only support dropdown select boxes in AceGUI, and i was wondering how much work it would be to offer radio groups as an alternative
10:26.42nevcairielbut the template is only GFX
10:29.47nevcairielso i still need to do logic
10:29.49nevcairieloh well
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12:39.23Adysnevcairiel: is it normal bar 1 and 7 are the same on bt?
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12:39.40nevcairielNo, unless you're a warrior
12:39.48Adysargh.
12:39.59nevcairielYou can change that, though
12:40.04Adysah?
12:40.33zenzioyeah, reroll non-warrior lulz
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12:40.41nevcairielWell by default warriors have a stance config, battle is 7, prot 8 and berserk 9, i think.
12:40.45zenziois king of comedy
12:40.54nevcairielAnd since warriors cannot be in "no stance", bar 1 is kinda lost
12:41.09nevcairielBut you can just change say battle stance to page to bar 1
12:41.11nevcairielinstead of 7
12:41.26zenzioI have found myself in a "blank" state occasionally as a warrior; after being mind controlled
12:41.27nevcairielOr, change bar 7 to be bar 1 by default
12:41.36zenzioNPC-controlled
12:41.37Adyshow do I change that?
12:42.24nevcairielWell the easiest solution to get an additional bar would be to simply go to the options of Bar7 and change the "default state" to "Page 1" instead of don't page
12:43.03nevcairielbar7 -> state configuration -> default bar state
12:43.21Adysthanks
12:43.23Shiriktsk tsk, nevcairiel
12:43.26Shirik"bar 1 is kinda lost"
12:43.34nevcairielits a blizzard design <.<
12:43.46Shiriknow now
12:43.48Shirikdon't go passing the buck
12:44.12Adyssea turtle mount should require fishing 375 to learn
12:44.15ShirikAccountability is one of the primary duties of any project manager
12:44.35nevcairielI'm not managing myself, i'm just hacking away
12:44.53ShirikSorry :P Just writing a 10-20 page paper on this crap, it kinda gets ingrained in your head
12:45.26nevcairielAnd i'm writing tutorials, its driving me nuts
12:45.53Shirikwanna trade?
12:46.14nevcairielYou want to write my AceGUI tutorial?
12:46.54Shirikand you can write my project management paper
12:47.29nevcairielHm nah, i'm happy to have passed my project management class last semester, and be done with it
12:47.46Shirikis such a BS class tbh >.>
12:47.53ShirikI'm not really doing that much work in it
12:47.55Adyswow
12:47.58zenziodon't diss blacksmithing classes
12:48.06Adysnvidia 185.13 drivers are really awesome when running 2 wow clients
12:48.16nevcairielI didn't go to the class at all, i just wrote the damn exam and passed
12:48.17nevcairielheh
12:48.21ShirikAdys: define "awesome"
12:48.28Adysfps doesnt lower at all
12:48.31Shiriknevcairiel, where are you from?
12:48.35Adysgot 100 fps on both clients
12:48.56nevcairiel185.13? where are those from?
12:49.13Shiriknevcairiel: I always grow confused when someone says "write an exam"
12:49.17Shirikwe call it "taking an exam" here
12:49.19Adysnevcairiel: nvidia ftp
12:49.25Shirik"writing an exam" is actually creating it
12:49.30Adysftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/
12:49.42ShirikWhich kinda makes sense
12:49.50ShirikYou don't WRITE the exam, you write the answers
12:50.30nevcairielshh, everyone says "write" here, except we say it in german, and i translated for you!
12:51.00Shirikeveryone says "write" in England too, I think
12:51.03ShirikI know I've heard it before
12:52.14foxlit(185.x is marked as beta; you can get it as usual on nvidia.com)
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12:52.24foxlit(the windows release is 185.66 or something in that style)
12:52.59Adysyou cannot get it on nvidia driver page
12:53.09Adysunless they added it since yesterday
12:53.40nevcairielthe 185 driver is only flagged for GF9 and upwards
12:53.42nevcairielnot GF8
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12:53.44airtonixadys, nice, those 180 drivers were big improvement over previous ones
12:53.46nevcairielthats why it didnt show for me
12:54.09foxlithttp://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_185.66_beta.html
12:55.17zenziohai peppy
12:55.32LopeppeppyMorning, zenzio
12:56.21Shiriktackles Lopeppeppy
12:56.34LopeppeppyOoof, morning to you too, Shirik.
12:56.45nevcairielI wonder what they did to the driver that the Geforce 8 series is no longer supported
12:57.36Lopeppeppymprh?
12:57.44LopeppeppyI was... going to get one of those....
12:57.45Adyswhy wouldnt it be?
12:57.47zenzioso my 8800 GTS won't work with 185.66?
12:57.58Adyswhere does it say that?
12:58.28LopeppeppyClick the tab for Products Supported, I guess.
12:58.33nevcairiel"This driver supports GeForce 9-series, 100-series, and 200-series desktop GPUs."
12:58.35LopeppeppySo no more drivers for the 8 series?
12:58.40Shirikand now off to class
12:58.47LopeppeppyWell... I guess I'm glad I hadn't bought a new card yet.
12:58.53nevcairielmaybe its just for the beta right now, who knows
12:59.09Adyssounds odd to drop support so fast
12:59.25foxlitThey're also getting rid of the 9 moniker
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13:02.04zenzioit could be they secretly may work with the 8 series, but  they're tired of people buying 8800s instead of 9+ series
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13:06.05LopeppeppyWhat will they call them after 9, foxlit?
13:06.12nevcairiel100 and 200
13:06.28Lopeppeppy'cause 100 is higher than 9000?
13:06.36nevcairielobviously
13:06.37Adysits a fact
13:06.39Adys100
13:06.43Adysis over NINE THOUSAND.
13:07.00nevcairielthe biggest card is the 295 right now, iirc
13:07.01LopeppeppyIf it makes you happy, it's your math.
13:09.28nevcairielThe drivers will probably work with alot of the 8800 cards, as some of them use the exact same GPU as the 9800 equivalents
13:09.43nevcairielbut maybe they are evil and locked them out in the software
13:12.44LopeppeppyEvil is as evil does.
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13:23.27Lopeppeppygoes to play with sheeples.
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13:55.18Lopeppeppyis done with sheeples.
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13:56.48foxlitwonders if the sheeples are done with peppy.
13:56.58LopeppeppyNo, they never are, but I try my best.
13:58.05foxlitcontemplates making some sort of universal save/restore functionality for UIs.
13:58.25foxlit(while chanting "Death to WTF!")
13:58.34Lopeppeppy:)
13:59.02LopeppeppyThere already is a universal save/restore.  Just copy the darn folders.  I've seen people with scripts that do that for them, they run the script before they log into WoW.
13:59.22krkaor use git/svn/rcs/whatever
13:59.22foxlitIt's not quite that trivial.
13:59.39krkacommit before or after running wow
13:59.52krkaon error, revert
13:59.52foxlitAnd -- for suggesting users to use git/svn/...
14:00.26foxlitThough perhaps it's my fault for phrasing things like that
14:00.48foxlitWhat I mean is simplifying the transfer of a UI to another character, potentially on a different account / computer / continent.
14:01.20krkaah right
14:01.34krkai thought you meant for wow crashes
14:02.04krkaor buggy addons that wiped SV
14:03.24LopeppeppyOh.  Yeah, that's much more tough, foxlit.  Even copying the folders and renaming things sometimes just doesn't work, you have to reset a lot of stuff.
14:03.53foxlitYeah, and the API does you no favors by not allowing you to read SavedVariables metadata.
14:04.19LopeppeppyI'm always happy that I can even copy the folders from character to character. If it all lived on the server, I couldn't even do that.
14:04.22foxlitAnd then there are profile implementations that incorporate player and/or realm names
14:05.04Lopeppeppyprofiles soooooo suck.
14:06.48Mikkerm... if your'e talking about ace2/ace3 profiles, they only incorporate player and/or realm names if you tell them to
14:07.12Mikkbut yeah i guess there's a few addons with their own immutable profile system too
14:07.30LopeppeppyAnd never the twain shall tingle.
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14:09.03foxlitMikk: and they store which character uses which profile in per character variables?
14:10.56Mikkyes
14:11.03Mikkor hm
14:11.07Mikkno they dont
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14:11.41foxlitSo they suffer from much the same problem as what I was thinking of :)
14:11.44Mikkyou're right, ace3 has e.g. ["realmname - charname"]="ProfileName"
14:11.51Mikkso you'd have to re-select profiles after copying
14:12.40LopeppeppyThere's always going to be some painful setup time involved.
14:13.03foxlitNow, see, I think I can fix that.
14:13.18Mikkis interested
14:13.42foxlitneeds a clipboard, some length of rope, and a portable thermonuclear reactor.
14:14.05Lopeppeppy"I think so Brain, but where are we going to get a pair of rubber knickers at a time like this?"
14:14.44foxlit(by making lots of dangerous and unjustified assumptions, but still)
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14:18.34foxlitHm, the channel has no topic?
14:18.47foxlitOr perhaps my client is being silly
14:18.58LopeppeppyWeird.
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14:19.18dbguy_foxlit: not your client, it's a freenode server being out of sync
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14:21.42dbguyIs AceGUI-3.0 stable yet?
14:22.34foxlit<msg important="false"><silly>Nothing is ever stable</silly><plug truthful="false">except the latest OPie release</plug></msg>
14:22.41dbguy:-)
14:23.13dbguyI meant are the API calls sort-of-stable-as-in-not-changing-every-minor-release?
14:23.33Aquafor i=2,12 do
14:23.33AquaMultiBarLeftButtoni:ClearAllPoints()
14:23.33AquaMultiBarLeftButton_G(i):SetPoint("LEFT", MultiBarLeftButton(i-1), "RIGHT", 10, 0)
14:23.33Aquaend
14:23.35Aquamt
14:23.45Aquathats not where i wanted paste that but thats what i wanted help about
14:23.54Aquacause i know its not right
14:24.07foxlit(i) should probably be [i], unless you're certain you want a function call
14:24.17Aquathats what i was gonna ask about...
14:24.40foxlitIf you come from VB-land, calls and array lookups use different brackets.
14:25.06Aquai come from coding in anything and everything, VB, C#, C++ in school
14:25.42foxlitC++ in school must be against some Geneva convention -- torturing children etc.
14:26.13Aquathey taught us C++ on unix platforms as a 101 class
14:26.14nevcairielWe had raw C in university, that managed to fail alot of students
14:26.37foxlit++ for failing them.
14:27.12dbguyThey seem to start teaching programming all wrong at many schools. They totally skip memory management and go straight to making programs without the students understanding what's going on.
14:27.42foxlitYeah, but who needs memory management? :)
14:27.45dbguyThey understand "if I write this, it does this" but not what is really going on under the hood, and thus they will not become very good programmers.
14:27.47nevcairielThey do Pascal -> Delphi -> C -> Java here
14:28.01nevcairielin that order
14:28.09foxlitJava -> C
14:28.09dbguyfoxlit: those who want to write efficient code. You still need to know the theory even if you don't do it directly :)
14:28.22dbguyi.e. write a memory managed/garbage collected language
14:28.23Aquadamn my little for loop didn't do what i wanted
14:28.31krkaThey seem to start teaching writing all wrong at many schools. They totally skip the molecular structure of graphite and how papyrus is made, and go straight to letters and words without the students' understanding what's going on.
14:28.38Aquaand yea, i hated C because you had to do your own garbage collection
14:28.46Aquaand when we programed in teams, nobody ever did it correctly
14:28.54foxlitPersonally, I'd say that the relevant theory is in algorithm design, not implementation details.
14:29.04dbguyfoxlit: this is also true
14:29.10krkapersonally, i think it depends on what type of programming it is
14:29.25nevcairielI was assisting in a C class last semester, we send people back to "fix" their programs, if they leaked memory
14:29.28krkaworking on embedded systems, webapps, or standalone applications?
14:29.54krkawriting a scientific graph/network analyzer or a minesweeper game?
14:29.55Aquathats what we focued on more the algorithm's than the implemenation, but we learned the implemenation at the same time
14:30.04Aquaminesweeper in C is where we started
14:30.07krkadifferent tasks need different education
14:30.28krkazomg you need to know how malloc is implemented to write a webapp <-- wrong
14:30.40krkazomg you need to know how malloc is implemented to write a good OS <-- less wrong
14:30.57dbguykrka: the problem is many students don't know what malloc() even is or the data is laid out in memory
14:31.01dbguythey'll hardly know what a pointer is
14:31.04foxlitIf you're writing an OS, wouldn't you be responsible for implementing malloc? :)
14:31.06krkamany won't need to know
14:31.21krkayou're just being elitist and thinking that your set of knowledge is the correct one that everyone needs
14:31.46dbguyObviously it depends on the language
14:31.54foxlitwonders off
14:32.04krkanot so much the language as intent
14:32.07Aelobinputs foxlit back on his lead.
14:32.08nevcairielI'm studying software engineering, and we learned how the memory is managed on the hardware level, and imho, it gave me alot of insights, but shrug, maybe a random web developer doesnt need to know that
14:32.45nevcairielI'm not paying double the average per semester for nothing
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14:33.06krkai learned how op-amplifiers work, but i am not sure it helped me become a better programmer
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14:33.31Aquaop amps, fun....
14:34.12Aquafor i=2,12 do MultiBarBottomLeft :ClearAllPoints() end
14:34.27Aquahow do i put I onto that
14:34.39Aquaso it does MultiBarBottomLeft2, etc, etc
14:34.55Legorolop amps are even more fun when you understand the quantum mechanics of semiconducting compounds (of which op amps are made of), no? ;)
14:35.29Legorolkrka: i have a question for you, which you can probably answer because you understand how Lua is implemented:
14:35.31krkahmm, i didn't think quantum mechanics were necessary to understand them
14:37.18krka~asktoask Legorol
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14:40.39Legorolkrka: yeah i know, sorry got distracted, anyway here's the question:
14:41.12Legorolafaik, local variables live on the stack, but what happens when the variable goes out of scope (block ends), and it's supposed to be removed from the stack, but it's an upvalue for a function?
14:41.23Aquanevermind, answered my own question
14:41.26Legoroli don't need too technical details, just a general idea of how Lua's implementation copes with that
14:41.27krkathe compiler notes that it's an upvalue
14:41.36krkaand when the block ends, it gets moved to the upvalue space
14:41.44Mikkwell... not even that is true
14:41.53Mikklua variables are.... either simple values, or "pointers"
14:41.58Legoroldoes it also alter any references to the variable?
14:41.59Shirikhuggles Lopeppeppy and goes to sleep
14:42.04krkathat's either when it reaches a return or otherwise when it calls CLOSE
14:42.11Mikkpointers to strings or tables
14:42.12LegorolMikk: it has to do something with it, it can't leave it on the stack
14:42.14krkaclose is a special op, only used to properly handle upvalues
14:42.26LegorolMikk: i think we are talking about something completely different, no offense
14:42.32krkabasically, there are setupvalue / getupvalue opcodes
14:42.38ShirikLegorol: Upvalues are created when you compile
14:42.43ShirikGETUPVALUE is how it gets on the stack
14:43.19krkaeach closure has a list of upvalues
14:43.20LegorolShirik: that can't be 100% of the story. It's not clear until runtime whether a variable ever becomes an upvalue or not.
14:43.21ShirikSo when the function is exited, it's just tossed off the stack and goes byebye
14:43.29ShirikThat's not true, Legorol
14:43.36krkaan upvalue is basically a union of either a pointer to the stack, or a proper lua value
14:43.49krkawhile the local is still on the stack, it refers to the stack location
14:43.50Mikkoh wait yeah you're talking about simple value ones that are shared in the closure.. ok i'm with you.. and will shut up =)
14:43.53ShirikYou can tell that a variable will be an upvalue. However, each closure has its own upvalues.
14:43.55Legorollocal x; if a == true then return function() Hai(x) end; else return function() Haha() end
14:44.09krkawhen running return or close, the upvalues take the value on the stack and copies them into the upvalue structure
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14:44.10Legorolyou can't tell at compile time if x will become an upvalue or not
14:44.18Shirikit is
14:44.18krkathat's it, does my explanation make sense?
14:44.25krkathat's how i implemented upvalues anyway ;)
14:44.37LegorolKrka: yes your explanation makes sense
14:44.42Shirikx is an upvalue. Whether it's used as an upvalue, however, is under question
14:44.58MikkLegorol: it's an upvalue.. there's just no closure created that uses it :o)
14:44.58kneekiGood morning everyone
14:45.03ShirikHowever, at compile time, the GETUPVALUE/SETUPVALUE opcodes are there
14:45.18ShirikGETUPVALUE in your case
14:45.25krkaMikk: upvalues can't exist if no closures use it
14:45.32Legorolsure, those opcodes would be present in the compiled form of the first function's prototype
14:45.56Legorolkrka: what you said makes sense, but what happens with the following:
14:46.33Aquaalright, i'm tripped over my self here, need some help, for i=2, 12 do MultiBarBottomLeft .. i : ClearAllPoints() end
14:46.55Legorolfunction outer() local x; function middle() function inner() Hai(x) end; return inner; end; end
14:46.58AquaI knwo i can't do MultiBarBottomLeft .. i thats not legal, so how do i do that
14:47.02Legoroloops typo
14:47.06Legorolfunction outer() local x; function middle() function inner() Hai(x) end; return inner; end; return middle; end
14:47.27krkacd the getupval is propagated
14:47.31krka-cd
14:48.02krkaboth middle and inner have x as upvalue
14:48.15Shirikfunction <stdin:2,2> (4 instructions, 16 bytes at 0000000000567E80)
14:48.16Shirik0 params, 2 slots, 1 upvalue, 0 locals, 1 constant, 0 functions
14:48.18krkawhich means you can run middle twice and get different upvalues
14:48.21ShirikThe upvalue exists
14:48.26Shirikit's just "there"
14:48.38Shirik2 [2] GETUPVAL 1 0 ; x
14:48.48Shiriknote that upvalues are referenced by slots, not by name
14:49.24krkaLegorol: what was the question actually, i am not sure i answered anything there :)
14:49.30Shirikglobals are different, as they're referenced by name
14:49.49ShirikI think the problem Legorol is having is allowing for a slot for an upvalue to exist while it's not used
14:49.59Legorolkrka: in the example taht I just gave, inner can't reference x neither as a closed upvalue, nor as an entity on middle's stack
14:50.17krkaLegorol: it's a closed upvalue there
14:50.17Legorolkrka: so how does it reference x?
14:50.36Legorolit can't be closed until outer() finishes
14:50.39krkawhen middle is created, it creates the closed upvalue
14:51.04krkaright
14:51.08Legorolx lives on outer's stack, and no reference to it can be closed until outer finishes, right?
14:51.13krkacorrect
14:51.28Legorolso middle has to have an upvalue that points to x on outer's stack
14:51.35krkayes
14:51.36Shirikno
14:51.45Aquaok, i'm gonna go with my questin is stupid and i need to find the answer on my own, thanks
14:51.49Legoroluntil outer finishes, then you can close middle's upvalue
14:51.58Shirikok maybe I'm just reading Legorol wrong
14:52.11LegorolShirik: the example had 3 nested functions
14:52.15Legorolouter, middle and inner
14:52.18Shirik"middle has to have an upvalue that points to x on outer's stack" implies to me that when outer exits, it's gone
14:52.20Shirikwhich is not true
14:52.22krkathe upvalue gets created at the moment middle() is instantiated
14:52.30krkaand the upvalue has a pointer to the sack
14:52.31krka*stack
14:52.36Legorolkrka: right, that makes sense so far
14:52.45krkawhen you close outer, it iterates through all open upvalues, and modifies them
14:52.50Legorolkrka: that's how i interpreted it, based on your earlier response
14:52.55krkai.e. copies the value into the upvalue struct
14:52.58Shirikanyway, you two have fun
14:53.00Legorolkrka: right, that makes complete sense
14:53.02ShirikI'm going to sleep
14:53.16krkait's pretty smart actually
14:53.29Legorolkrka: my question is, whilst outer is still executing, x is on the stack, middle's upvalue has a pointer to that x on the stack, and you instantiate inner
14:53.37Legorolwhere does inner's upvalue point?
14:53.42krkai wish i could take credit, but my implementation was basically just 1) read through the implementation of lua-paper on closures. 2) do the same thing
14:53.58Legorolit can neither be closed already (since middle is still executing) nor point to a value on middle's stack
14:54.02krkaLegorol: inner is the same upvalue struct
14:54.04krkaas middle
14:54.18Legoroloh, they share
14:54.24krkano wait, maybe it points to middles stack
14:54.29krkai am not sure
14:54.46Legorolwell they can share the upvalue struct as long as that currently point's to outer's stack
14:55.01krkai'll have to ponder if they can actually share
14:55.08Legorolbut i don't think they can share
14:55.09Legorolyeah
14:55.09krkahm, yes they can
14:55.12Legoroli was just about to say that
14:55.18krkathere's no semantic that could make that go wrong
14:55.37Legorollet me think about that
14:56.14Legorolok so both middle and inner have an upvalue (which are presumably some sort of indices or pointers), pointing to the same upvalue struct?
14:56.29Legoroland that upvalue struct points to outer's stack until outer exits?
14:56.51krkaalso note that MOVE has special meaning right after CLOSURE
14:57.00krkait sets up the upvalue
14:57.06Legorolsorry i'm not familiar with opcodes :( so i wouldn't know
14:57.14krka<PROTECTED>
14:57.16Legoroli'm only thinking about this on a conceptual level, not on opcode level
14:57.18krkaif you run that, you see your example
14:57.20krkaright
14:57.25krkabasically what you see is:
14:57.54krkawhen outer is run, it sets up an upvalue directly
14:57.55krkai think
14:58.13krkaah yes
14:58.21krkaok, GETUPVAL is run in both middle and inner
14:58.37krkawhat GETUPVAL does, is just copy the reference to the upvalue struct from its parent
14:58.42krkaso they do in fact share
14:59.03krka(this is from my code, not lua, but they should work the same)
14:59.37Legorolso inner's upvalue is set to be the same as middle's
14:59.45krkayes
14:59.56krkathe upvalue struct is created in outer
14:59.56Fisker-shoots krka in the face
15:00.17Legorolis it determined at compile time or run time that "local x" should result in the creation of an upvalue struct?
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15:00.30Legorollet me rephrase:
15:00.39krkacompile time
15:00.49krkathe bytecode says that x is an upvalue
15:00.51Legorolif the flow never reaches any instantiation statements, does the upvalue structure associated with x still get created?
15:01.08Legoroland does it get discarded if there are no closures that actually use x?
15:01.22krkayes
15:01.35krkait gets discarded at the end of its scope
15:01.36Legorolhm, that'd require the compiler to look ahead when it encounters local x;
15:01.52krkanot a parser-lookahead
15:01.52Legoroli might be wrong here, but i think i read that Lua's compiler is a single-pass affair
15:01.55krkayes
15:02.08krkait builds a tree of functions
15:02.18krkawhen it notices an upvalue, it modifies the parent function
15:02.21krkastill single pass
15:02.28krkathis all happens before it generates any bytecode
15:02.31Legorolah right, so during parsing it can flag x as an upvalue
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15:02.40Legoroland then generate code in a single pass
15:02.42krkayes
15:02.47Legorolok thanks
15:02.57krkait generates the bytecode for outer after all the inner functions have been generatewd
15:03.04Legorollexical scoping is a brilliant thing :)
15:03.09krkai am just speculating here though
15:03.15krkayes it is
15:03.16krkai love it
15:03.18Legorolit makes Lua very exciting to use
15:03.30krkait seems obvious, yet not all that many languages have it
15:03.33krkascheme does!
15:03.38Legoroland the distinction between prototype and closure is one of the hardest concepts to grasp
15:03.45jnwhitehirc> quit peace out
15:03.47krkanot if you implement your runtime :)
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15:08.23Legoroli meant, for people who are new-ish to Lua, i find that that distinction can be confusing
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15:29.09mikmafoxlit: come to our 10man naxx gearing run! 2 spots left :O
15:30.59Lopeppeppywants to go!
15:31.32mikmalopeppeppy: eu, emerald dream, alliance, lvl80, go.
15:34.24LopeppeppyI could do ED on US, but not EU. *cries*  Oh well, have fun!!
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15:53.13krkaLegorol: you never really need to know the distinction though
15:53.26krkasince prototypes are never exposed
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16:01.58LopeppeppyMorning, Lunessa dear.
16:02.22LunessaHow's things?
16:02.41LopeppeppyThings is.
16:03.47Legorolkrka: yes but conceptually, a piece of function body in the lua file, and the (potentially multiple) closures generated from it, are quite different things
16:04.07Legorolit's good to know the difference between the two, as a matter of understanding what's going on
16:04.14LegorolI don't mean on the implementation level
16:05.35krkayeah, i know what you meant
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16:16.43Lunessahttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/05/funny-pictures-got-my-grump-on/
16:17.00LopeppeppyAwwww, just for me?
16:18.52LunessaI should print that and tape it to my door.
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16:19.35LopeppeppyI *WISH* I could do that.  :)
16:20.30zenzelezzI've been considering printing http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/02/funny-pictures-iz-on-top-of-it/ at work
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16:21.13Lopeppeppygiggles.
16:21.54LunessaPeppy - I get away with all kinds of things.  I'm replaceable, but I'm really good at my job and no one wants to replace me.
16:22.51LopeppeppyWe might be seeing layoffs soon... I am not trying to get away with anything.  :)
16:23.08LunessaSo I get to be a little eccentric.
16:24.58Lunessagotcha
16:25.43LopeppeppyI am a good girl!
16:27.15Lunessaso wants to test the boundary conditions of 'good.'
16:28.06LopeppeppyPshaw.
16:38.01Arrowmasterhmm penny arcade epsoide 1 game for $10 this week on XBL, game any good?
16:38.05batrickLegorol: upvalues (the actual struct) are made at runtime when the closure is created. The upvalue possibly already exists and may be reused.
16:38.49batrickThe compiler only marks blocks (do ... end) as containing upvalues so an appropriate OP_CLOSURE opcode is placed where necessary.
16:39.19batrickerr, OP_CLOSE
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16:44.58LunessaArrowmaster: Worth $10 for a few laughs.  It's a fun way to spend some hours.
16:45.55ScytheBlade1Arrowmaster: if you're a fan, definite yes.
16:48.50jnwhitehXBMC is the devil
16:48.51jnwhitehso nice
16:50.46DWSRanyone see Fast and Furious last weekend?
16:54.23LopeppeppyI'm seeing that as a big fat "no"
16:57.41LopeppeppySweet, ICQ just died.  No talking to co workers!  Anarchy rules!
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16:58.18zenzelezzICQ died a long time ago. What you saw was just the ghost
16:58.27LopeppeppyOIC.  :)
16:59.30LunessaICQ - so 1998.
16:59.49zenzelezzit was nice back then
17:00.05zenzelezzup until the 2002 version or so the client was still not horrendous
17:00.55LopeppeppyIt's what we use, I'm glad to be able to use anything at all.
17:03.37ZorbaTHutarrowmaster, if the phrase "several-hour-long playable Penny Arcade RPG" fills you with glee, absolutely. If it fills you with dread, no. Basically, take how much you enjoy PA itself, multiply that by ten or so, and you'll figure out how awesome you'll find the game.
17:05.01ArrowmasterLopeppeppy: aim and icq use the same protocal, you can chat with people on icq through aim i think
17:05.41LopeppeppyMust be why neither one is working for me now.  :)
17:06.09LunessaArrowmaster: Pretty much ICQ was inspired by the work that eventually went on to become AOL Instant Messenger.
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17:06.59LunessaI was the Build Engineer for both products at AOL for a long time. :P
17:07.25Lopeppeppythinks Lunessa rocks.
17:07.34zenzelezzwhen was this?
17:07.47LunessaOh and /facepalm to all of us who actually helped a guy named "Bloodschlong" on the forums.
17:08.00Lunessazenzelezz: I was there from 94 - 99
17:08.07LopeppeppyWe did, Lunessa?
17:08.16LopeppeppyEeew.
17:08.19Lunessa<PROTECTED>
17:08.21zenzelezz99? I didn't think ICQ was bought by AOL until much 2000+?
17:08.39Lunessazenzelezz: No, ICQ was in-house in 99.
17:09.11Arrowmasteri heard a rumor a while back that AIM was working on possible switching to xmpp
17:09.19LunessaThe funny thing is they worked for a satellite office of us and saw our internal IM system.  They left there, formed ICQ and we bought them.
17:09.24Arrowmasterthey even had an xmpp gateway setup
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17:29.57purlcog|work: aw, gee
17:30.12LopeppeppyWelcome back, purl.
17:30.12cog|workpokes purl
17:31.03LegorolSometimes there's an advantage to pugs falling apart. It's good when that happens when i have to leave anyway :)
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17:32.45cog|workslow purl is slow
17:32.59AckisWorkcog|worki thought camera phones were a stupid gimmick <-- me too but now I have a data plan and it's so much fun to upload pics! :D
17:33.17cog|worki had a data plan until i found out it wasn't shared across my two lines
17:35.21AckisWorkah
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17:37.56AbsolutRayneMorning
17:38.07|Jelly|snarls at Trillian's lack of ... connectivity.
17:38.28AbsolutRaynepats |Jelly|
17:39.02|Jelly|Lunessa, what's your guild's website? I r needing ideas.
17:39.16Lunessawww.groundingtotem.com
17:39.36LunessaI'm using WoWStead, and that's their PVP 3- Col layout.
17:39.56Lunessai r teh lazy, 'cause I didn't want to code it all myself.
17:39.57AckisWorkhey Fisker-
17:40.20LopeppeppyI like it.
17:40.28|Jelly|http://fml.guildtag.com/ Something tossed together. I really like their application but ... that's about it. You can customize it with CSS but I don't know CSS so I'm stuck with what they give me. lol
17:40.54Jamashcss isn't too hard to learn
17:41.10|Jelly|I just don't have a lot of time to devote to something that people aren't going to use.
17:41.45AbsolutRayneAV on my BG Server sucks so bad :/
17:42.42|Jelly|BAH! Passwords on vent make saying "I'M IN UR VENT, STEELIN UR RAIDZ" not nearly as effective.
17:43.21LopeppeppyI like passwords.
17:43.31LopeppeppyIt makes it less effective for people to come spam our Vent!  :P
17:43.41|Jelly|Well, yeah.
17:43.51|Jelly|But it's also fun to come up with creative ban messages.
17:44.05LopeppeppyMy old one?  "We don't tolerate asshats."
17:44.29AbsolutRayneI think my favorite one was 'You have Timed Out: Please Re-connect'
17:44.40LopeppeppyOooh, cold.
17:44.49zenzelezzpasswords on Vent don't last long in my experience
17:44.55|Jelly|*in a drunken swagger comes up to you screaming "I DON'T LIKE YOUR FACE!" and slaps you out of the Ventrilo server* or something to that effect ... I'm not an rp-er
17:45.03zenzelezzsomeone will always have a "trusted friend" or arena partner or suspected female to invite
17:45.15|Jelly|yup
17:46.16Lunessa|Jelly|: I used to leave it open.  Until I found a buch of brazillian dweebs playing CS on my Vent.
17:46.27|Jelly|wow
17:47.26|Jelly|I think that would be funny to, pending you have a vent music bot handy.
17:47.39AbsolutRayneI love how profitable mining is
17:47.46AbsolutRayneWhen you dont have to donate it to a GBank
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17:48.35LunessaI don't hide the vent password, I just don't leave the server open.  You'd shocked how many people can't remember it from one day to the next so even a token PW cuts down on vent-abuse.
17:48.54zenzelezzI'm not surprised at all
17:48.58AbsolutRayneMe either
17:49.00AbsolutRaynetbqh
17:49.20zenzelezzin my previous guild we had to spam the password to 6+ month members every raid
17:50.10LopeppeppyI think we reset ours every 3 months, just to get rid of the casual invites that hung around long after the single raid they were invited to attend....
17:51.11AbsolutRayne11 stacks of Saronite and 2 Stacks of Titanium in 2 hours
17:51.14AbsolutRayneNot bad.
17:52.13LunessaHowever, if anyone here needs vent space, I have 40 seats and I don't mind sharing with this crowd. :P
17:53.29zenzelezzVent 3?
17:56.36AckisWorkLunessa: ackis cyber channel?
17:56.59Lunessazenzelezz: Yeah.
17:57.07LunessaAckisWork: No.
17:57.34zenzelezzLunessa: could be useful for the occasional conversation, if you're fine with such leeching
17:59.07zenzelezzhm, XBMC sure takes an eternity to svn export
17:59.39Lunessazenzelezz: Yeah, I'm fine with it. You have my e-mail.
18:01.08zenzelezzdo I? Can't recall, mind reciting it in a privmsg?
18:02.28|Jelly|<PROTECTED>
18:03.11AckisWorklol
18:03.40|Jelly|That went away when I started hosting on my laptop though.
18:04.09|Jelly|I had already recreated the channel(s) (again, lol@8slots) when I found where they were stored in Vista.
18:04.34zenzelezz"W decurse east, X west, Y nauth, Z sauce"... my guild's German healer instructing on Archimonde
18:04.54nevcairiellol
18:05.03|Jelly|lol
18:05.12nevcairielsauce is awesome
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18:06.33zenzelezzwas pretty funny. But that being said, I've had a few peculiar pronunciations myself, probably still do
18:07.38|Jelly|I said Sigil incorrectly on purpose for an entire night, driving my friend crazy. He finally went off on me on KT, when I was talking about how Betrayer would go well with my new Sigil. lol
18:08.35foxlitsea-gil?
18:08.47|Jelly|soft g
18:09.07|Jelly|I don't know how to write the pronunciation of it.
18:09.21|Jelly|Like the g in goose.
18:09.44foxlitwonders what a hard g is then.
18:11.06|Jelly|[Synthesìs] yells: betting service here: roll 1-75 i keep the money    76-95 double your money  and 96-100 you triple... maximum bid is 2g
18:11.08|Jelly|wow what odds
18:11.11foxlitmakes a mental note never to look at wikipedia's phonetic content again.
18:11.13ronghaila hard g is like the g in sock
18:12.03LunessaSi-jil
18:12.54zenzelezzI tend to think of it as the "sig" in "signature"; since that G is more natural to me
18:12.54cog|workgeorge is soft, greg is hard
18:13.10krkathat's what she said
18:13.11cog|workcog is apparently perverted
18:13.30|Jelly|ok, so I was saying it backwards
18:13.37|Jelly|Sorry, I'm definitely not a linguist.
18:13.52Kraftmani thought it was supposed to be pronounced si-jil
18:13.54|Jelly|Thank you for the clarification, cog. <3
18:14.04foxlits-eye-jil?
18:14.05cog|work:)
18:14.12Industrialsidjil
18:14.17Kraftmanthat ^^
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18:14.37cog|workhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sigil
18:14.42cog|work^ real words 4tw
18:14.42cog|work:P
18:14.51|Jelly|And I was pronouncing it si-gil. Long story short, it pissed him off and was funny. lol
18:14.51Industrial4tw idd
18:15.07foxlit|Jelly|: as in with a hard g?
18:15.12Kraftman><
18:15.19|Jelly|foxlit: die
18:15.21|Jelly|:(
18:15.35Fisker-Sy-gil
18:15.56Industrialwins
18:16.00Fisker-slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout
18:16.04cog|worki used to say tabard with an L
18:16.08Industrialfluffehs Fisker-
18:16.24Fisker-slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout
18:16.37Industrialdeeper fisker
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18:16.48cog|workRAWR
18:16.54Gryphenono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.
18:16.56Industrialman, I hope war has an addon community like wow :<
18:16.58cog|workhuggles Gryphen
18:17.00Industrialhuggles Gryphen
18:17.01Fisker-rawr
18:17.05Fisker-huggles Gryphen
18:17.09Gryphenhuggles Fisker-
18:17.14Fisker-HAH
18:17.16Fisker-HE HATES YOU GUYS
18:17.17Fisker-FUCK YEAH
18:17.19Fisker-(seaking)
18:17.20cog|work:'(
18:17.22Industrial:'(
18:17.25Industrial...
18:17.25Fisker->:3
18:17.29cog|workIndustrial: jinx
18:17.36Fisker-it's called hivemind
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18:22.10Kraftmandoes that mean he cant talk until you say his name?
18:22.38mikmaSure
18:23.00cog|workwonders if purl had her treatment...
18:23.11cog|work~whaleslap Fisker-
18:23.12purlACTION beats Fisker- upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
18:23.20cog|work~hug Cairenn
18:23.21purlACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue
18:23.28Industrial~botsnack
18:23.28purlaw, gee, Industrial
18:23.29cog|workcheers for working commands!
18:23.37Cairennhugs cog|work
18:24.15mikma~stupid purl
18:24.24cog|work~mikma--
18:24.29|Jelly|~whalenuke cog|work
18:24.30purlACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around cog|work with his mind powers.
18:24.35mikmawoohoo!
18:24.36|Jelly|Can't dodge it!!!
18:24.37cog|work~whaleshield
18:24.38purlACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield cog|work from the blast.
18:24.39mikma-1
18:24.47|Jelly|GRR@cog
18:40.03Lunessaget 'em seerah!
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18:40.22Seerahhrm?
18:41.18Seerahpokes Lunessa
18:41.26Seerahyou need to point me in a direction :P
18:41.39LunessaYour last post in the "donations at wowi" thread.
18:41.49Seerahohhhhhh :D
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18:48.26NightHawkTheSaneDial-a-Llama! http://www.emailjokes.co.za/images/442921-image001_57137_44292_1.jpg
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18:52.19NightHawkTheSanehehe.. http://www.omgfunnypictures.com/index.php/2009/04/voting-page/history/
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18:57.09cog|workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEHUzNWnh5M
18:57.19Fisker-obvious troll NightHawkTheSane
19:01.56DWSRhttp://www.omgfunnypictures.com/index.php/2009/04/voting-page/history/ <- I don't get the fail
19:02.14Cairennthe fail is that we did
19:02.26DWSROh.
19:02.28DWSRHeh.
19:02.34DWSRI don't think we 'allowed' it
19:02.40DWSRBut heh
19:02.44Cairennwell, the OOC did
19:02.52Cairennor whatever it's termed
19:02.58ZorbaTHutit occured, at the very least :)
19:03.02DWSRlol I dunno how much 'allowing' there was vs. 'strong arming'
19:03.09DWSRBut at any rate, yes. Fail
19:03.15Cairennbig fail
19:04.30DWSRhttp://www.omgfunnypictures.com/index.php/2009/04/design/modular-roto-bunk-bed/ <- Dude, I want.
19:06.14DWSRhttp://www.omgfunnypictures.com/index.php/2009/04/voting-page/spare-tire-fail/ <-- Last link and nap timez
19:07.02Cairennthere is a rather famous picture from the 1936 Olympics that got the athletes involved in a whole world of trouble (although it shouldn't have, imo):  http://www.poster.net/anonymous/anonymous-black-power-mexico-city-olympics-1968-9949975.jpg
19:07.16Cairenngah, wrong one
19:07.28DWSRwas about to say.
19:07.34Cairennanyway, yeah
19:07.50DWSRNAP TIMEZ
19:07.52DWSRnaps
19:08.26Cairennactually, yeah, that was the right one :p
19:09.13zenzelezzright picture, wrong year then?
19:09.30LunessaCairenn: Political statements at the Olympics are ... ridiculed, but everyone makes them.  it boggles the mind that people actually think such an event won't be politicized.
19:10.03zenzelezzwell, in the case of the picture she linked, they were deliberately making a political statement
19:10.37Cairennit's showing the wrong dates on it because although it was from the 1936 Olympics, the whole article it was in on the site I linked it from was about more than /just/ the 1936
19:11.16zenzelezzI was pretty sure that wasn't from the Berlin olympics
19:11.42Cairennmay very well have her history mixed up
19:11.44Cairenn:)
19:11.54LunessaAs have many, many, many other people.  I'm just astounded that people believe that athletes aren't allowed to have the same opinions as everyone else.  And that when you have the world watching you wouldn't take the shot to get your message out.
19:12.07zenzelezz"On October 16, 1968, an action by two African-American sprinters at the Mexico City Olympics shook the sporting world."
19:12.10LunessaYeah, that shot is from another event.
19:12.21zenzelezzthe shot is from the very event the file name says
19:12.23Shirikwakes up!
19:12.34Shirikperforms Quick Attack
19:12.48Lunessazenzelezz: Yes, but not the 1936 event. :P
19:12.51Cairennhokay, me was confuzzled :)
19:12.51zenzelezz(and my earlier "wrong year" question was meant to be "so you only said the wrong year", not "so the file name is wrong")
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19:15.15KasoWhat's sad about that event is there is often focus put on the two American guys, and what happened to them afterwards, but few people know of what happened to the third guy an australia, who went along with the protest wearing a badge of support for the two other ones, and similarity got in fair amount of trouble for it.
19:15.36KasoPeter Norman his name is
19:16.23Kasohe wasnt allowed to attend further Olympics
19:20.05LunessaAnd yet, we bent over backwards to allow China to host the Olympics despite an equally long list of grievances.  Hypocrisy abides.
19:20.37DagmarI'll care when they add a ninja category.
19:21.04Dagmar...although some of those gymnast girls they had last time would be completely awesome if they had krysknives and tonfa.
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19:22.35AckisWorkMessage: Error: AddOn AckisRecipeList attempted to call a forbidden function (FocusUnit()) from a tainted execution path. <-- that means ARL tainted something and is getting blamed for somehting another addon is doing?
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19:23.25Aquasounds like that to me
19:24.15AckisWorkso I'd need to see the framexml.log to see the taint path eh?
19:24.28AckisWorkor wait, there's a taint log
19:24.45Mikkwouldnt surprise me if you're using EasyMenu
19:24.49Mikkwith more than 8 items in it
19:24.53Mikkor was that shit fixed
19:25.10AckisWorkeh it's not something I'm using, it was just a ticket report
19:25.15LunessaMikk Not fixed.
19:25.16AckisWork@ticket arl 470
19:25.17RepoAckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/tickets/470 - Focus frame error. Reported by: faeldray. Type: Defect. Updated: 46 hours ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Ackis. Votes: 0. Comments: 0
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19:33.37foxlitAckisWork: EasyMenu isn't a mod
19:34.13foxlit( http://www.wowwiki.com/API_EasyMenu )
19:35.37AckisWorko
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19:39.20Cairennhey Antiarc, ScytheBlade1:  got another (what we think is) trojan for you guys to play with:  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7LZ66OZD  <== Trojan, don't click
19:39.34ScytheBlade1whoohoo
19:39.53DagmarFunfun
19:39.55Cairennhe tried uploading it to our site, plus he made a thread with that link
19:39.57DagmarWhat id'd it?
19:39.58foxlitThat captcha!
19:40.03Mysticell<PROTECTED>
19:40.30Cairennhe's trying to pass it off as another version of Recount
19:40.36Cairennbut it's an .exe, so yeah, no
19:40.39MysticellMicrosoft Virtual Machine ftw
19:40.40DagmarArgh.  Can it be dcc'd?
19:40.48DagmarHmm wait nevermind
19:40.53DagmarI can explain this at work
19:41.09zenzelezz"its exe for extra speed!"
19:41.09CairennDagmar: or you can ask me for the link again later
19:41.17Cairennheh
19:41.44DagmarWell, I think pretty much the entire building knows that my sideline/hobby is "getting into and out of trouble"
19:42.00Cairennhehehe
19:42.20DagmarSo like, should it actually set off McAffee, no one's going to get excited about it
19:42.33zenzelezzthat would sound dirty if you were part of a former guild on my realm... there was a girl called Trouble there
19:42.42Cairennlol
19:42.44DagmarUsually I pull down stuff like that with lynx, but Mega's captcha and Lynx don't exactly get along
19:43.11DagmarI can never be allowed to meet a girl named that.
19:43.34Cairennanyway, we know you guys like playing with viruses and stuff, so figured I'd turn you loose on this one too
19:43.52zenzelezzyeees... playing... *cough*
19:43.56ScytheBlade1lol
19:44.09Thunder_Childhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=xs_gb_A14SBH8TWPYLCF?ie=UTF8&docId=1000208101&pf_rd_p=441937901&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1AVXCHNZ5K9EJ23QWNH8
19:44.37nevcairielblizzard day at amazon?
19:44.52Thunder_Childguess so
19:45.34Thunder_Childi actually own all of it anway
19:45.37Thunder_Childanyway*
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19:58.25*** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "The uterus is not a clown car!" - Kamdis
19:59.02AckisWorkCairenn: I downloaded an ehanced version of recount which was a .exe for speed, now my account got hacked! I blame you! (and gnomes)
19:59.10Cairennlol
20:01.24mikmaackiswork: i can help you with that, what's your account, password, and answer to the secret question?
20:02.24Aquawhen you move a frame does wow remember its old position? I moved the minimap cluster using ClearAllPoints, but then i sat something adjacent to it and it used its origional poisiton
20:02.41AckisWorklol
20:03.06AckisWorkAqua: for ARL I had to set that up manually
20:03.36AquaI'm playing musical chairs with the default blizzard frames, and addin my own at the same time
20:03.57Aquai just moved the shapeshiftbar and it was over off the position of the original minimap, and was like, okay...
20:04.58|Jelly|@Cairenn: I love you. "don't be dumb" lol
20:05.03Cairennhehehe
20:09.36Cairenndidn't know what else to say
20:09.42Cairenndon't be dumb
20:12.20Thunder_Childlook who you are talking to
20:12.34Thunder_ChildL. C. D.!
20:14.01Mysticell[NSFW] Why 11 year olds shouldn't raid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkhx7mkMXa8&NR=1
20:16.28Thunder_Childold, but ammusing
20:16.33Mysticellyeah
20:18.52LunessaThis if full of something:  http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/diggbar-digs-up.html
20:22.00Endwhat the hell, who uses a fish feast in AB?
20:22.27Mysticellagrees.
20:22.46Thunder_Childsomeone who wants to win/get achivementsa
20:22.48Thunder_Child-a
20:24.18LunessaThe achievement is for the "Great Feast" not the "Fish Feast"
20:24.37Thunder_Childi meant just winning
20:24.45Thunder_Childerr...AB achivementsa
20:24.47Thunder_Child-a
20:28.28Endwe're undermanning this AB
20:28.32Endalthough, we're also winning
20:29.24foxlitsighs at browser's URL autocompletion
20:30.42NightHawkTheSanethis is pretty awesome: http://spritestitch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=375&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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20:37.54tekkubthat's great
20:39.54DWSRthat's awesome
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20:45.48cog|workhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16019851830&sid=1&pageNo=2#33
20:45.51cog|workchuckles
20:47.01DagmarThose people are all stupid.
20:47.25cog|workeh... i was just chuckling at #33
20:47.28DagmarParticularly dimwitted is "...and paying for a kit before you install it is not acceptable"
20:47.29ScytheBlade1s/Those/Most/
20:47.40cog|worki actually liked the thread itself when i existed
20:47.46DagmarYeah being accused of working for the Rebels is srs bzness.  ;)
20:48.01cog|workspecifically the "take him away!" part :P
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20:48.57DagmarArgh.  Interest... in... punishing keylogger... waning...
20:49.03DagmarToo... much... work...
20:49.55DagmarI'll just do it the easy way when I get home
20:50.10DagmarI'll actually install the damn thing on a test box and record every packet it sends out
20:50.31cog|workvm imo
20:50.32foxlitHm, I'm sure I've seen better documentation of issecurevariable than at http://www.wowwiki.com/API_issecurevariable
20:50.47Dagmarcog|work: VMs are for people who don't have fifteen minitowers in their apartmnet
20:50.48Krapsany of you ever read books in this series? http://www.amazon.com/Flights-Extreme-Visions-Catherine-Asaro/dp/0451459776/ref=pd_ts_b_6?ie=UTF8&s=books
20:51.13Thunder_Child"Reach a rounds" fail
20:51.22DagmarOnce I get the LAN upgraded completely to GigE then I'll start worrying about VMs
20:51.36foxlithttp://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1156 is generally awesome
20:51.37cog|workfoxlit: what do you mean? a variable is either tainted or not...
20:51.46DagmarIt's too damn slow for my tastes to punt a 6Gb image across 100base-T.
20:51.50foxlityeah, that's what THEY want you to think, cog :)
20:53.12LunessaLunessa, I thought I smelled your foul stench when I was brought on board.  Only you could be holding Cogwheel's leash.
20:53.27cog|workalthough according to http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/issecurevariable wowwiki is wrong about the second return value :P
20:53.34foxlitindeed.
20:53.47foxlitBut I'm sure I saw better docs somewhere before wowprogramming existed
20:53.59foxlitwonder if it was Iriel.
20:53.59cog|workmaybe in the 2.0 changes sticky?
20:54.19cog|work(or whenever it was they added it)
20:54.57foxlit"NEW isSecure = issecurevariable([table,] "name") -- Determine if the specified variable is secure." is what wowwiki quotes from the 2.0 thread
20:55.31cog|work* UPDATED - isSecure, taint = issecurevariable() - Now returns a second value which is the name of the addon that tainted the variable (or the empty string if it was tainted by a macro script), if it is not secure.
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20:55.33foxlit"UPDATED - isSecure, taint = issecurevariable() - Now returns a second value which is the name of the addon that tainted the variable (or the empty string if it was tainted by a macro script), if it is not secure." << 2.1. Mystery solved!
20:56.07Fisker-slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout
20:56.15cog|work~whaleslap Fisker-
20:56.16purlACTION beats Fisker- upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
20:56.17MysticellIf anyone has a minute, could you take a look at http://antonidas.net/UIAnnounce.lua and http://antonidas.net/Frame1.xml for me, please?
20:57.20cog|workwhy do you have an invisible frame with all those properties?
20:58.00cog|work<size x="0" y="0"> is just like leaving out the size altogether
20:58.12MysticellErm, I looked at another addon for the frame, thought it was a bunch of stuff that wasn't required.
20:58.28cog|workand what's the point in enabling the mouse, making it high strata, ..... oh... in that case you should learn what you're doing first imo :P
20:58.57cog|workif all you're doing is using it as an event dispatcher, you don't really need xml at all
20:59.09cog|workjust create the frame in Lua and set its OnLoad and OnEvent scripts
20:59.12MysticellActually, I commented out the frame stuff in the lua file to try the XMl, it didn't work
20:59.24Mysticellwell, neither worked yet
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21:01.50MysticellHmm, pretty sure local function(self,... isn't helping >.<
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21:04.17LegorolMysticell: that looks like incorrect syntax
21:04.32Legorolthere is no way that "local function(..arguments..)" is ever valid syntax in Lua
21:04.36MysticellI know
21:04.39MysticellJust fixed it
21:05.22Legorolbtw, i disagree with cog. if you want a frame just for event dispatching, you can use XML just as well as Lua
21:05.35Legorollot of people prefer to use Lua for that, but it doesn't matter from the pov of result
21:05.44MysticellThough XML is slower, correct?
21:05.52SyzgynI never understood why local function foo() isnt valid, but local foo = function() is
21:05.53Legorolnope, i don't think so
21:05.57DagmarIt all gets turned into the same data structure anyway
21:06.06foxlitIs _G reserved, or?
21:06.13cog|workLegorol: need vs can use :P
21:06.17foxlitlua> _G = nil; t = {}; print(_G, t);
21:06.18lua_botfoxlit: nil, table: 0x80972b8
21:06.20Legorolfoxlit: it's not
21:06.22nevcairielSyzgyn: both are valid
21:06.25ScytheBlade1XML isn't "slower" in any form that matters
21:06.41Syzgynreally? whenever I do the first it throws an error
21:06.45Legorolif anything, XML can be faster, because the game just parses a static structure
21:06.52Legorolwhereas the equivalent Lua has to be executed
21:06.56Mikkthough of course with XML everything is created up front
21:06.59Mikkand not on-need
21:07.12LegorolMikk: that just depends on how you coded your addon
21:07.20Legorolyou could've coded your Lua such that it creates everything up front
21:07.38Legorolthere is no meaningful way in which you can compare the "speed" of XML vs. Lua
21:07.40Mikkabsolutely true
21:07.47Legorolone is parsed, the other is interpreted
21:08.21Legorolyou can compare them for specific cases
21:08.29cog|worklike load time
21:08.31Mikkwell actually we probably could...  but you'd have to create a boatload of frames to clock it
21:08.36DagmarThat and XML is a data format
21:08.41Legoroland compare the load time of the XML with the load+execution time of the corresponding Lua, but even that result will depend on a lot of other factors
21:08.55DagmarIt's like comparing the speed of Lua and HTML
21:09.08Mikker not really
21:09.14Legorolyes really
21:09.19Legoroli'm with Dagmar
21:09.39MikkASSUMING they're both used to create a bunch of frames
21:09.47Legorolanyway, the important part is that the resulting frame behaves identically, which is what usually matters
21:09.48MikkIt might be interesting to ask the question "which one will load faster"
21:10.16MikkThough unless the amount of frames being created is fairly ginormous, it won't really affect load time a lot
21:10.22Cairennrofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAztA-Iqb4g
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21:11.01Legorolfoxlit: about _G, i vaguely remember that lua bots tend to protect it so that people can't mess with it
21:11.13Legorolbut it's not a reserved identifier as such
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21:11.37AckisWorksomeone, what the hell is this link here do: http://www.world-of-warcraft-addons1.com/html/2008-06/1738.htm
21:11.44foxlitIt's just a matter of whether Bad Things Will Happen(tm) :)
21:12.16cbreakbad things do happen.
21:12.17DagmarAckisWork: It's a litmus test for intellgence
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21:12.25cbreakblizz forgets to buff frost :(
21:12.39AckisWorkDagmar: touche
21:17.01foxlitnerf frost some more, tbh!
21:17.12foxlitclearly, blood needs to be the spec of choice.
21:17.28LunessaAckisWork: I wouldn't trust that site with someone else's money.
21:17.38foxlitis hoping he got that right -- the original "frost" is presumably a mage tree.
21:17.42AckisWorkLunessa: I'm not... the downloads are .exe's
21:17.53AckisWorkLunessa: just wondering if I should QQ to the site
21:17.54MysticellShould I not be using local functions in SetScript or should I be defining the function first and then just calling the function in SetScript?
21:18.20LunessaDCMA take-down to the ISP
21:18.40AckisWorkeffort required
21:19.54LunessaThe quit yer bitchin
21:20.00AckisWorkwell I'm glad I google my mods every little while, I would've missed this gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZR5DLkRJBY (feel free to laugh out loud)
21:20.04AckisWorkLunessa: can you do it for me?
21:20.05AckisWork:P
21:20.09MysticellSince when do iPhones run OSX?  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugmancx/3090199093/in/pool-66835733@N00
21:20.31foxlittechnically, they always ran osx
21:20.55Mysticelldotdotdot
21:21.14foxlitthey just display the dock while you aren't looking!
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21:25.34MysticellA lot of airport display boards and ATM's run off windows... I don't know about anyone else, but I'm afraid.
21:25.59Aelobincheers.
21:28.05foxlitokay, so evil plan connundrum #2
21:29.13foxlitI want to be the first to be notified of any loaded saved variables.
21:30.44alestaneI'm not sure there's a way to assure that.
21:30.47cog|workName your addon !!!!!!!AAAZOMGFIRST
21:31.04alestaneStill not an assurance.
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21:31.07cog|work:P
21:31.14alestaneJust a likelihood.
21:31.41LunessaMysticell: There's a great photo around of a vegas billboard/video wall that crashed - and was running Windows.
21:31.55foxlitgrah
21:31.55foxlitMainMenuBar.lua:self:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED");
21:32.00foxlitI was hoping that wouldn't happen
21:32.17KirovThey were trying to get Wince in to cars for a while.
21:32.20Lunessaalestane: Yes there is.  It requires you to install this handy .exe file...
21:32.46foxlitbut I don't get that.
21:32.50foxlitIt doesn't ever handle A_L.
21:33.09foxlitzomg, wasteful default UI code!
21:33.15foxlitsomeone call the media!
21:33.32DagmarFAA pretty much said "Hell no"
21:33.35alestaneI suppose that at load time you could enumerate all frames that are registered for ADDON_LOADED, and hook their OnEvent handlers, but there are challenges with that too.
21:34.08foxlitThen hook the RegisterEvent metatable entry to pick up anything that runs later
21:34.18Lunessabah, I was just going to delete all UI AddOns except mine to ensure FIRST status. :P
21:34.41alestaneWell, anything that hasn't run yet, you can reasonably expect its SavedVariables to be loaded afterward.
21:35.13foxlitMeh, that sounds more like an assumption than a reasonable expectation
21:35.34DagmarAn assumption would be that they'd already be loaded.
21:35.36alestaneI suspect it would be the case, though.
21:35.38MysticellHmm... "..\Code1.lua line 125: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 107) near 'elseif'"  but I've closed the function..
21:36.02DagmarMysticell: No you haven't.
21:36.13DagmarLook for typos
21:36.25foxlitAnd all this runaround is because someone thought it'd be a clever idea to restrict the fields GetAddOnMetadata can look up :/
21:37.18Thunder_Childthat was me
21:37.24Thunder_Childi didnt want to make it easy for you
21:38.32foxlitAnd even if I can get access to A_L data, I'm screwed for figuring out what it is I actually want :/
21:40.12foxlitSince I can't figure out what I want to look at until *my* SVs load.
21:41.35alestaneAnd what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
21:41.48foxlitGet a complete list of saved variables.
21:42.22alestaneAs a means to what end?
21:42.34nevcairielworld domination, of course
21:42.37foxlitUnspecified nefarious purposes.
21:43.05foxlitWhat I could do is stall the other A_L handlers until mine is fired, and go from there. I suppose that'd work.
21:43.45nevcairielhow do you plan to stall them?
21:43.54foxlitHook everything.
21:44.03foxlitThen just not call them until I'm ready.
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21:47.16Thunder_ChildThe roundest knight at King Arthur's round table was Sir Cumference. He
21:47.16Thunder_Childacquired his size from too much pi.
21:47.16foxlitthough even hooking is thorny -- I'd have to wrap both SetScript and RegisterEvent to maintain a semblance of accuracy.
21:47.22Thunder_Child>.<
21:47.47Thunder_Child"She was only a whiskey maker, but he loved her still. "
21:48.03Thunder_Child"I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian."
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21:48.47Thunder_Child"I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me."
21:48.54foxlitbut I can hooksecurefunc those
21:49.09foxlitSo that at least doesn't taint things.
21:53.48Mysticellfigured it out... wow... I feel dumb
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22:04.24foxlitsighs at the "Enter your birthday" prompts on some flash videos
22:05.02foxlitWouldn't it be easier to just ask "Are you X years old? [Yes] [Yes, but I'm lying]"? The triple drop-down is a horrible UI choice.
22:05.09zenzelezzwhy? It's not like anyone would pretend to be old enough to watch one, people are honest on the Internet!
22:06.05Shirikeverything on the internet is true
22:06.42IndustrialONLY IF IT IS WRITTEN IN CAPSLOCK CAN IT BE TRUE ON THE INTERNET
22:07.04Tulleryeah I've never gotten the requirement to have the age dropdown
22:07.22Tullerunless there's a secret EULA below it that says, "by filling this out, you promise that you are not lying"
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22:07.40Tullerbut, minors cannot enter contracts?
22:07.43Shirikit's probably some legal thing
22:08.12Shirik"if we make a dropdown, we've sufficiently protected ourselves, even if we know everyone's going to lie"
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22:09.03foxlitI'm mainly objecting to the usability
22:09.45foxlitIf your legal requirement is for the user to assert that they're old enough, that's a simple yes/no question
22:10.09Tullerwell, isn't that how porn handles it?
22:11.25Shirikfoxlit: the legal world is stupid
22:11.28Shirikthat may not be sufficient
22:11.37foxlitSurely not that stupid :)
22:11.42ShirikI'm not a lawyer, I wouldn't know, but it sounds stupid enough to be true to me
22:13.51DagmarIt requires the user to willfully engage in deception
22:14.07foxlitSo would saying "yes" when you know the answer is "no" :)
22:14.16DagmarHow much deception isn't so much an issue because someone can *always* lie or come up with fake documents etc etc
22:14.36Dagmarfoxlit: You can thank all the people who just blindly click "Yes" and "Accept" and so on for that
22:14.49foxlitI blindly select 1901 and so on.
22:15.12KirovDagmar - Would you like to install this completely virus / trojan free ad service?  Yes / No
22:15.36MysticellNo.
22:15.39KirovWe promise to never give out your personal information unless someone pays us for it.
22:15.44DagmarKirov: And yet, some people will click Yes
22:15.48mikmaYou have selected Yes. Thank you.
22:15.59IndustrialKirov: its probabbly shipped with Fisker- to be in ur systemz infectin ur megaherzez.
22:16.04KirovYou have selected "Please Rape Me".  Thank you.
22:16.28MysticellWoot or gah?  I've finally gotten to the last line of my code for bugs.
22:16.42mikmagah.
22:16.50DagmarMysticell: You've gotten the code down to one line?
22:17.11MysticellDo you want me to do that?  I'll have to add a lot of semicolons.
22:17.12LunessaDoorman: You must be at least 21 to enter.  Kid: Damn, I'm only 18. Doorman: Ahem, son. Let me repeat myself.  You must be at least 21 to enter.  Kid: Oh, I'm 21!  Doorman: Welcome to Pornsville kid!
22:17.34KirovMysticell - it'll look like carbonite then
22:17.40Mysticelllol
22:24.12Mysticellhmm, when I add the () at the end of the function like eventFrame:SetScript("OnLoad", GAnnounce_OnLoad()) it works but produces an error, when I remove the (), it doesn't work, but no error
22:25.03foxlitin both cases, it doesn't do what you think it should do
22:25.33Mysticellbingo
22:25.33KirovMysticell - The OnLoad for frames occurs as soon as you do CreateFrame(), so an OnLoad  script after that will never fire.
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22:26.16KirovWhen you use the first syntax, you're actually running GAnnounce_OnLoad and setting the OnLoad script to the return of that function.
22:26.31Kirov(which is likely nothing, hence the error)
22:26.39MysticellIt would work just as good if I put what I wanted it to do on load without a function or anything, correct?
22:26.39Thunder_Childno dragon should ever shapchange into a gnome
22:27.00DagmarFeel free to tell Chromie that
22:27.08KirovMysticell - Is there a reason why you're not just running GAnnounce_OnLoad?
22:27.18MysticellNot really
22:28.01KirovMysticell - I'm assuming you're creating the frame in script, then setting it's on Load, which setups up that frame's RegisterEvents, etc.  Yes?
22:28.23Mysticellyes
22:28.51KirovSo, the working, but erroring method is equivalent to Creating the frame and calling that function w/o the SetScript
22:29.03KirovAnd won't produce an error
22:29.31foxlitKirov: will if the function expects an argument and you don't provide it
22:30.06Kirovfoxlit - he already wasn't providing an arguement, and it worked.
22:30.26MysticellWhich of these two should I be using, CreateFrame("Frame", "eventFrame") or local eventFrame = CreateFrame("Frame")
22:30.41foxlit"t works but produces an error", Kirov.
22:31.09Kirovfoxlit - the error is using SetScript with a bad return value (from the OnLoad function he ran)
22:31.18klugeok guys look
22:31.25klugei just tanked mana tombs on my 63 pally..
22:31.32KirovMysticell - the second one, sort of.
22:31.37klugeplus at level 61 i could solo like the first 5 pulls at ramps
22:31.40MysticellOkay
22:31.41foxlitI find that unlikely -- who returns anything form their OnLoad handlers? :)
22:31.44klugeim pretty good player right?
22:32.02foxlit*from
22:32.13KirovMysticell - there's no reason you need to give a frame a global name, but if you do it should be something unique.
22:32.34KirovMysticell - I usually do something like local eventFrame = CreateFrame("Frame","MyAddonNameEventFrame")
22:32.41KirovIn case I need to access it for debug.
22:33.19Kirovfoxlit - SetScript("OnType",FunctionThatReturnsNil()) and SetScript("OnType",nil) - I believe one produces an error, one does not.
22:33.31MysticellOkay
22:34.07klugeim going to tank every tbc instance in order of difficulty according to wowwiki.
22:34.15foxlitMake that a FunctionThatReturnsNothing, and it might be the case
22:34.33Kirovfoxlit - oo, good catch
22:34.44Kirovyes, return nil; vs return;
22:35.01KirovSame as SetScript("OnType") errors
22:35.10foxlitlua> select("#", (function(); end)());
22:35.10lua_botfoxlit: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ';'
22:35.17foxlitlua> select("#", (function() end)());
22:35.17lua_botfoxlit: 0
22:35.41Kirovlua> select("#", (function() return end)())
22:35.41lua_botKirov: 0
22:35.49Kirovlua> select("#", (function() return nil end)())
22:35.49lua_botKirov: 1
22:36.51Tullerwell, one creates a global named eventFrame
22:36.59Tullerwow, way to not scroll
22:37.30Thunder_ChildDagmar, thats exactly who i was talking about
22:40.06jnwhitehso
22:40.09jnwhitehif i'm making an alliance priest
22:40.10jnwhitehwhat class?
22:40.13jnwhiteherr race
22:40.16alestanerace?
22:40.57mikmajnwhiteh: formula 1
22:41.02klugenelf
22:41.04klugecan shadowmeld
22:41.05alestaneNot as ciritical a decision as it *used* to be.
22:41.08klugeis a good ability for healers.
22:41.14klugeuntil recently it dropped aggro.
22:41.15StanzillaHuman
22:41.16klugewhich was hot
22:41.19mikmanelf male has the coolest spellcasting animation
22:41.21jnwhitehStanzilla: for why?
22:41.23klugeshadowmeld is so win
22:41.29mikmaalso what kluge said
22:41.43mikmaalso, nelf male has the most ANNOYING dying animation + voice
22:41.45jnwhitehshe's a nelf female atm
22:41.47Stanzillajnwhiteh: racial (pvp insignia built in and reputation bonus, looks
22:41.52mikmaugh, AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
22:42.02jnwhitehStanzilla: human male is the worst model in the game =)
22:42.04nevcairielStanzilla: human looks? hahahahah :)
22:42.06jnwhitehStanzilla: the trinket is a good point
22:42.09Stanzillafemale!
22:42.21Stanzillanevcairiel: female is nice :(
22:42.35mikmahuman female casting animation is stupid
22:42.43jnwhiteh2% dodge is nice
22:42.45nevcairielif you want looks, go fem nelf of fem draenei
22:42.45jnwhitehmaybe a male nelf.
22:42.57Thunder_ChildFORM follows FUNCTION
22:43.02jnwhitehi dont' care terribly about looks
22:43.02Thunder_Childget used to ti
22:43.04Thunder_Childit*
22:43.04MysticellgaEventFrame:SetScript("OnEvent", GAnnounce_OnEvent(self, event, prefix, text, channel, sender)) is error ing now >.<
22:43.08jnwhitehor anything, really
22:43.12mikmamale nelf: + coolest casting animation, - most annoying dying
22:43.20nevcairieldraenei get a 1% hit bonus
22:43.37mikmawhich is passive for whole group
22:43.39jnwhiteh<-- healer :P
22:43.43Thunder_Childhonestly if you are playing correctly you nor anyone else should be looking at the animation
22:43.43jnwhitehoh yeah good point
22:43.45mikmaalso they got gift of naaru
22:43.50jnwhitehso pick one
22:43.54alestaneShadowmeld has gotten nicer, yes. Gift of the Naaru isn't as critical for healers as for other classes. Human is nice if you plan to PvP (Every Man is still useful sometimes in PvE). Dwarf racials aren't quite as useful for priests, now that they aren't the only ones with Fear Ward.
22:43.54jnwhitehdraenai and be a cool kid
22:44.01mikmai'd go with nelf :P
22:44.18mikmaoh wait, i did ;)
22:44.33KirovMysticell - you're missing the key bit here.  SetScript("OnThing", FunctionName() ) -- that CALLS the function FunctionName() and tries to use it's return as what it's setting the SetScript to.
22:44.44jnwhitehWTB gnome priest
22:44.46KirovMysticell - Change that to just GAnnouce_OnEvent w/o any() and it'll work
22:44.52MysticellOkay, thanks
22:45.01mikmajnwhiteh: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silvermoon&n=Janessa kekekeeek
22:45.14klugei just use a medallion of the alliance on my nelf priest when i know im going to need it..
22:45.28jnwhitehyou do get it in HFP
22:45.33jnwhitehwhen you do the pvp quest the first time
22:46.28MysticellOhmy.
22:46.48MysticellIt works, commands and everything.  Kirov, permission to send 5k gold to you?  ^_^
22:47.22KirovMysticell - if by magical chance you're on the same server as me ... no
22:47.22jnwhitehhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/e08cd006dd8796e802f111ec405ece7c.png
22:47.23jnwhitehish?
22:47.40StanzillaI so hate male nelf :(
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22:47.52mikmajnwhiteh: name him, "poopmaster"
22:48.06jnwhitehStanzilla: whyz?
22:48.13Stanzillalooks!
22:48.23jnwhitehmeh
22:48.25jnwhitehits not my favorite
22:48.28jnwhitehhuman male is worst
22:48.44Stanzilladraenei female or human female imo
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22:59.07Lunessajnwhiteh: How many priests does this make for you?
22:59.14jnwhitehone us
22:59.15jnwhitehone eu
22:59.26jnwhitehbecause you can't transfer account regions
22:59.33LunessaAh, so you're not one of the truly masochistic.
22:59.47jnwhitehi still have never leveled a paladin/shaman
22:59.50jnwhitehand i consider myself a healer
22:59.55jnwhitehi shoudl do that at some point
23:00.13nevcairielthe theory of paladin healing was always too boring for me to ever try to level one
23:00.17Tullerwere any crazy UI changes made in the last PTR patch?
23:00.25Tuller(beyond the removal of the equipment thingy)
23:00.48nevcairielthe equiment thingy wasnt even removed yet, afaik
23:00.54Thunder_Childtekkub, did you read the new auditorium change? they unlocked almost all of the levels
23:01.04DagmarAuditorium?
23:01.11Thunder_Childhttp://playauditorium.com/
23:01.31tekkubI saw, but I've already finished em ><
23:01.43tekkubunless they added more?
23:01.50Thunder_Childno that i know of
23:02.05DagmarOhh... I've seen that thing.
23:02.13DagmarI thought it was neat but _repetitive_.
23:02.35Shirikok I'm seeing an issue here
23:02.42Shirikperhaps someone can enlighten me
23:02.57ShirikLet us assume I received a UNIT_DIED combat log event
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23:03.15ShirikI see no direct way to acquire the level of that unit. Do I have to go search for it (or have known about it)?
23:03.30ShirikI see the GUID but no way to translate that into a unit id
23:04.08MikkYou'll have to acquired that information from other sources
23:04.17Shirikthat's what I figured
23:04.19MikkLike mouseover / target events
23:04.29AntiarcYou'd have to store a GUID=level map on every unit ID event
23:04.32Shirikit's not relatively difficult just to sweep the raid's targets for GUIDs to find a boss
23:04.33AntiarcAnd then do a lookup
23:04.39MikkI think there's a lib that does that but I might be smoking
23:04.55Mikk(Which btw would be a reasonable idea if there's several addons needing to be able to look that up)
23:05.30AntiarcArrowmaster had one which Omen used briefly
23:05.35AntiarcBut I think it got scrapped at some point
23:06.24Arrowmasterit wasnt very efficent
23:07.31ShirikI should break out the old RDX HOT module and turn that into such a utility
23:07.39MikkIt ought to be fairly easy to write a reasonably efficient lib
23:07.50ShirikI might do it
23:07.58Shirikit's certainly not a difficult problem
23:08.09Arrowmasteri was writting it originally to use in trying to make post 2.4 top score recording addon
23:09.00MikkThe only problem would be getting people to actually use it
23:09.05MikkWhich I guess is a problem for several small libs
23:09.16MikkI wonder if wowwiki should be abused more for pointers to libs
23:09.36DagmarCan't really hurt
23:09.41MikkCan't see how not, no
23:09.41Arrowmasterprobably
23:10.02MikkErr too many negations..
23:10.34Arrowmastergood ones would be stuff like libguild-1.0 in place of each addon having a timer that calls the function to update the guild roster every 30 seconds
23:11.21MikkOr every 8? 10? as is the case with pitbull-unit >.<
23:11.55Arrowmasterhuh?
23:12.07Mikkerrr... not pitbull
23:12.15Mikkthe library at its base for the string expansions
23:12.23Mikkthat got written basically for pitbull
23:12.25Arrowmasteryou cant update the guild roster more than every 15 seconds i think
23:12.28Mikkbashes head against desk
23:12.34foxlitdogtags?
23:12.36Mikkthanks
23:12.44Mikkdogtag-unit
23:13.06NightHawkTheSanehttp://wannafeelold.tumblr.com/post/93115573/that-mr-plow-episode-of-the-simpsons
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23:13.24MikkI was wondering who the hell was refreshing the guild roster so often... took me a while before realizing it was my UFs, that had dogtag embedded
23:14.05jnwhiteh*shudder*
23:14.17foxlitwhy would that refresh the guild roster?
23:14.24tekkubMikk: I've lost all respect for you
23:14.34tekkubwhich puts you in the negative
23:14.37jnwhitehlol
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23:18.02Mikktekkub: i blame icehud
23:18.10Mikki didn't even realize it had gotten put in there
23:18.22tekkubmmmhummmm
23:19.24Mikkfoxlit: because it has an opcode for "guildnote"
23:19.33foxlitso isn't that just a crappy implementation?
23:19.55Mikkactually reading up now it was every 20 seconds
23:20.08Mikkwell... the problem is, you never get notified about guild notes being edited
23:20.17TullerNightHawkTheSane: that's from my birthday :P
23:20.20Mikkyou get notified about promote / demote / join / leave
23:20.50foxlitSo nevermind that.
23:21.38Mikkaye.. pumping guild roster refreshes every 20 seconds ... regardless of what else is going on around you ...  doesn't strike me as a kickass idea
23:21.43foxlitA lazy cache seems less troublesome than a throttled but all-too-often refreshing
23:22.08ShirikMikk: Honestly, I wish my guild roster were updated more frequently
23:22.12Shirikit often seems broken to me
23:22.46Wobinhm
23:23.11WobinDoes anyone have a link to that image that showed the "points scored" for applicants depending on whether HR looked at the CV or IT did?
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23:24.18WobinNightHawkTheSane: ... I look at MrPlow that way too. . o O ("Whut, it's been that long since I released a version?")
23:24.55foxlitMrPlow is a lie
23:25.59TullerI finally moved to bankstack from mr plow :P
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23:26.43WobinI don't blame you =(
23:26.56WobinGood thing I'm fixing MrPlow up =P
23:27.36Tullerwill it finally get turbo powered search as in the old branch? :P
23:27.41Wobinyus
23:27.46Tullerand by search I mean sort
23:27.55WobinI've been using 'bagsort' to mess my bags up
23:27.58LunessaThe problem I have with both MrPlow and Bankstack - I didn't have control over the sort options/none of the sorting made sense to me.
23:28.00Wobinand MrPlow to put them to rights
23:28.35WobinLunessa: If you can come up with a usable way to organise that in a gui, I'll apply it
23:29.40WobinI could never come up with a logical way to display/change it
23:30.20LunessaWobin - I wanted a tool that would let me sort things based on conditions to specific bags... without virtual bags.  I finally gave up and went to combuctor and quit caring.
23:30.41Tullerplowking? :p
23:30.55tekkubYea I've not used MrPlow in years cause I never liked it sorting
23:30.58Wobinyeah, well PK was before Baggins and the like
23:31.08Wobinand then they did it better =P
23:31.08tekkubI should just hack it to do things the way I want
23:31.20Wobintekkub: That was what you were -supposed- to do
23:31.25tekkubI juse OCD sort for now
23:31.42LunessaI quit caring.  I figured "I'm too lazy to write myself, so I'll quit vetching and use something that has a search."
23:32.00TullerI just type /sort whenever I feel like cleaning my bag up
23:32.08LunessaBut I actually /like/ using the default bags.
23:32.12Tullerand search if I cannot find stuff before that
23:32.33WobinLunessa: the way the current MrPlow is working, that's a possibility
23:32.52AntiarcBaggins has search, and I loves it
23:32.55Wobinbut the whole addon was designed for 'onebag' style setups
23:32.59KarlKFI<3 baggins
23:33.21KarlKFI<3's his custom Baggins layout
23:33.38Wobinalthough, the best thing that has come out with inventory management for questing?
23:33.44WobinOpie's "Quest item" ring
23:33.53AntiarcIs Opie fixed yet?
23:34.00WobinWFM
23:34.02KarlKFII already did that for baggins...
23:34.05LunessaWobin - I wanted to do things like "Move my alternate gear stuff to *specified* bag.  Move gray crap to *specified bag.* Move > green items to *specified bag,* etc.
23:34.07TullerI figured you'd say the tracker in 3.1, or the tourguide quest button of champions
23:34.31WobinLunessa: hm, well out of scope for MrPlow then
23:34.47LunessaWobin - yeah.  Which is why I quit using it. :P
23:34.58foxlitOPie hasn't been broken for any sustained amount of time
23:35.01Zynderpshttp://www.pastey.net/111801 , I'm still puzzled why I have to /reloadui to make the model appear on my player healthbar :S
23:35.02Wobinthis ^
23:35.07foxlitUnless *someone* hasn't been filing error reports!
23:35.12Zynderpsand god damn nickchanges
23:35.15Wobiner, foxlit's statement =P
23:35.50WobinTuller: Opie's questitem ring is more reliable than the TG quest button
23:36.17Wobinalthough I wish it'd add in stuff like the dragon mounts in Oculus
23:37.23NightHawkTheSane:o okay, i mean, it's not the great modern epic, but it wasn't THAT bad.. http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Man-shoots-himself-during-Watchmen-movie/H0qmxSQyCkim5hh80WuOSA.cspx
23:37.29foxlit*those* are a pain. I suppose I should just add a more persistent white list.
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23:40.03LunessaNightHawkTheSane: Sad, really.
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23:54.52tekkubhttp://swiftmend.blogspot.com/2009/04/hit-tables-addon-from-tekkub-idhitthat.html
23:54.55tekkubWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
23:55.26DewinNighthawkthesane: Is that Eugene, OR or some other Eugene?
23:56.05Lunessatekkub: that AddOn name is all you.
23:56.25tekkubyea, if that fucker Industrial would stop trying to claim it's his
23:56.32tekkubI need to put a big disclaimer up
23:57.31Lunessawell, he does name everything idmymothermakescookies.
23:57.53mikmaidsucksmoreballsthanyou
23:58.28Lunessahaha
23:59.17tekkubidEgoSpuerego
23:59.24tekkubidEgoSuperego*

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