IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090405

00:06.07*** join/#wowuidev Corrodias (i=no@adsl-75-17-205-147.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net)
00:19.27kd3ho... the ozzy commercial on the science channel
00:25.10Thunder_Childhow can i figure out what addons is posting msg in chat?
00:25.32tekkubdon't use addons that don't identify themselves!
00:25.40Thunder_Childthanks but not helping
00:25.49Thunder_Childsince i sont know what it is to uninstall it even
00:25.57tekkubgod that's been a standard since Ace1, always prefix chat with your addon name
00:26.13tekkubgrep your addon folder for the text it outputs?
00:26.28tekkuband THEN uninstall it :)
00:26.52Thunder_Childgrep for "has broken on"
00:26.58Thunder_Childmight be a few things
00:27.05tekkubwhat's the output?
00:27.18Thunder_Child"[05:24] [#] [R] <80:Prismatic:2>: [Mind Control] has broken on [Snowplain Zealot]"
00:27.43tekkubthat sounds like a CC tracker
00:28.12tekkubyours or someone else's?
00:29.23Thunder_Childmine
00:29.39Thunder_Childonly thing i have thats close is Natur Enemy Castbar
00:29.47Thunder_Childbut it does have an option for that
00:29.52Thunder_Childdoesnt*
00:30.16Thunder_Childdbm no, bigwigs no, failbot isnt enabled
00:31.16tekkubyou have one of those class-specific sphere addons?
00:31.21tekkubthey like to do shit like that
00:31.25Thunder_Childnope
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00:34.35Thunder_Childok it was ECB, there just isnt an option to turn it off
00:34.58tekkubBALETED!
00:35.17Thunder_Childhuh?
00:35.23tekkubBALETED!
00:35.39Thunder_Child~dict baleted
00:36.00kd3~baleeted
00:36.20kd3~dict baleeted
00:48.21Shirik~baleted
00:48.30Shirikhm, surprised purl does not know about this
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00:54.08foxlit"... - for Christ's sake, press triangle faster or everyone you love is going to die."
00:55.01Wobinmeh, I'm sick of all these Machinima with blood elves rapping
00:55.07Wobincan't we have some other race?
00:57.49kd3fox... !?
00:58.11Wobinquicktime events =P
01:00.39foxlithttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_195/5910-String-Theory-The-Illusion-of-Videogame-Interactivity
01:06.24Tewanerm
01:06.33TewanAnyone know a good alternative to SLDataText?
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01:12.07foxlithm, a 200kb download
01:13.38foxlitFor what amounts to be displaying text
01:15.15TewanPitbull4 is coming along nicely. :O
01:20.42tsukukinseianyone know how to get an addon to only send one msg with an if statement?
01:21.31kd3add one more variable to the if statement that is only modified as you send the message
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01:28.42foxlitoh sigh
01:28.47Tewanoh my gawd PitBull4 is so nice. o_o
01:28.51foxlitlocalized macro conditionals
01:28.54foxlitI'm so screwed.
01:29.09kd3when'd that happen?
01:29.15Dagmarif ( nil == nil ) then SendChatMessage("OMGLOLZ"); quit; end;
01:29.58foxlitor not. perhaps someone was just misguided
01:46.58NeoTronso Sciatica is a word I never knew what it meant
01:47.49foxlitI'm sure that isn't the only word with that property.
01:48.23NeoTronlikely so
01:49.02NeoTronall I can say is that it's the most painful thing I can ever remember being afflicted with
01:51.08Wobin=(
01:51.10Wobinhate that
01:51.49Wobinone thing that can trigger sciatiac pain is an unbalanced chair, btw
01:52.26Wobinone of my friends suffered from that and found that her office chair was at an angle, aggrovating the symptoms
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01:53.40NeoTronconsidering a spend pretty much all day and all evenings sitting... yeah
01:54.02NeoTronconsidering asking for a standing desk at work so I can alternate standing and sitting
01:54.39WobinOr get one of those fitballs
01:54.51NeoTronit's a possibility
01:55.14Thunder_Childwth are there only 2 cloaks in all of naxx that are not zone drops?
01:59.45tekkubThunder_Child: uh.. yes?  http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.-6&filter=qu=4;cr=16;crs=3456;crv=0#0+11+1
01:59.59Thunder_Childtekkub, heroic
02:00.35tekkubyou said "all" not "heroic" :P
02:00.39tekkubyes, only 2 in heroic
02:00.39Thunder_Childya, my bad
02:00.48Thunder_Childbut WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
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02:01.06tekkubWRRRRRRYYYYY
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02:09.57Krapsmore patch data to download
02:11.14Krapspossible eta this tuesday?
02:13.07Thunder_Childguess is 14th since they said they were pushing back noblegarden
02:13.12Cairennunlikely this week
02:13.26kd32 week notice was announced last tuesday
02:14.53Cairenn^^
02:15.09tekkubThunder_Child: it was you bitching about random lockups right?
02:15.14Cairennwon't be until the 14th at the earliest, and can always get pushed back from there
02:15.34Thunder_Childtekkub, i heard carbonite was doing it
02:15.51tekkubI just froze when I clicked on the exodar port in dalaran
02:15.57tekkublog back in, in exodar
02:16.03Thunder_Childthats old
02:16.10tekkuband no carbonite here :P
02:16.12Thunder_Childthat used to happen to me at that port all the time
02:16.20Thunder_Childregardless of addons afaik
02:16.36Thunder_Childerrr...
02:16.39Thunder_Childno i lied
02:17.05Thunder_Childi mean the quel port from shat
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02:40.15Krapscool, blessing of auchindoun gives me a shorter rotation :D
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03:36.49Lothaerim back
03:40.17Corrodiasoh no
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03:41.30Krapsso what would i use the shadowfiend for, a boss/hard mob?
03:42.01temhttp://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/gamers_mentality.jpg
03:42.03Corrodiasi never played a high-level priest...
03:42.05kd3a mob that doesn't have an aoe ability and that you expect will be alive for longer than the shadowfiend will, once you're in a situation that you need mana
03:42.12Corrodiasback in 2.4, though, shadowfiends were used to regain mana on long boss fights
03:42.34Krapshow long does it last?
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03:42.42kd3check your tooltip
03:42.51Krapsoh
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03:43.27Krapsi was under the impression that its like a 5 minute pet /sigh
03:43.32kd3no
03:43.45kd3think evocation or innervate with a twist
03:43.52kd3http://www.wowwiki.com/Shadowfiend
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03:44.43Krapsspeaking of evocation , hymn of hope sucks :p
03:46.26airtonix<- high level obsessive priest
03:46.55airtonixpre 2.4 shadowfiend benefited from any attack power stats you had
03:47.10airtonixactually come to think if it, i think it still did at 2.4
03:47.18airtonixnot any more though
03:47.28kd3it scales off spell power now
03:47.33airtonixyes
03:47.58airtonixi used to have the rep staff from zangramarsh with savergy enchant on it
03:48.31temlol nice
03:48.38airtonixmade a noticeable difference to the amount of mana i got back if i equiped before letting the fiend loose
03:49.12CairennLothaer: ping?
03:49.33Krapsairtonix: what spec did you level as?
03:50.33airtonixfrom 70?
03:50.38Krapsno
03:50.40Kraps1
03:50.48airtonix1-70 as shadow
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03:51.48airtonixbut i speak of the fiend during my play as a healer
03:52.25Krapsi'm 66 and disc
03:52.59airtonixits a good mana battery during dungeons if you time it properly
03:53.17airtonixor on those mobs with exceptionally high amounts of health
03:53.46airtonixusually i found that outside of dungeons, things died too fast for the fiend to yield full potential
03:54.31airtonixunless i was pulling a group of mobs for some kind of farming
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03:57.28Krapssucks that i cant do northrend before 68 :(
03:58.16airtonixhas gold rewards from netherstorm quests been lowered? if not i wouldn't skip it
03:58.32airtonixnorthrend gets boring
03:58.59Krapsnorthrend gets you to 80
03:59.27airtonixtrue, but i reached 80 in grizzly hills as holy coh spec
03:59.36airtonixwith three areas left over
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04:00.24Krapsdid that on my warrior :) BT and grizzly = 80
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04:08.21Krapscheck out the 2 caster rings http://ptr.wowhead.com/?quest=10881
04:12.32temKraps, healer/dps rings before spellpower conversion
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04:13.28Krapsyeah, i went there to make sure i was seeing correcly
04:17.12Krapsdang shammy wolves roflstomped me
04:18.21mikmain ptr or live
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04:30.11Krapsmikma: live
04:30.52mikmakraps: lol just wait for the 3.1.0! then you will shit ghostwolfs
04:31.41Krapshuge ghostwolf nerf inc?
04:31.48mikmaboost
04:33.41Krapswish i could keep my shammy alive long enough to level
04:34.36*** join/#wowuidev Aznamir (n=aznamir@ool-43544a0d.dyn.optonline.net)
04:34.50mikmahmm, unless they reverted the ghost wold change
04:35.14mikmaGlyph of Feral Spirit: Your spirit wolves gain an additional 30% of your attack power.
04:36.35Krapsshammys level 33ish
04:37.43mikmathats 2h funfun =/
04:38.54Krapsno fun :( i have more survivability as elemental
04:40.42AznamirDoes anyone know how to access ## Version: @project-version@  defined in .toc file?
04:45.06Thunder_Childother than talents, what would give me more healing than spell damage?
04:46.23Aznamirdepends on class
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05:07.57Shirikok guys
05:08.01Shirikhttp://wowi.pastey.net/111672
05:08.06ShirikWhy the crap is that taking up my entire screen?
05:08.21Shiriknm, I figured it out
05:09.14tekkubuh, CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent) ?
05:10.39Shirikoh yeah
05:10.40Shirikthat too
05:10.59Shirikbut the problem was because I was setting the BG points to the wrong frame
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05:22.42ExawattWhispers to yourself still get sent to and from the game server, right?
05:22.59ScytheBlade1Yes
05:23.21KrapsBroken are Draenei that... what?
05:23.25ScytheBlade1Nothing aside from direct manipulation of the chat frame itself will stay just local, when it comes to chat
05:23.27ExawattResponse time would be latency value or 2x latency?
05:23.51ScytheBlade1No, it would be 1x latency. I'm pretty sure it is counted as round-trip in game
05:24.01ScytheBlade1(Though I may be wrong)
05:24.35Krapsnvm lrn2lore
05:29.41Shirikok tekkub it gets harder
05:29.53tekkubthat's what she said
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05:30.06Exawatt... or he said?
05:30.28Shirikhttp://wowi.pastey.net/111673
05:30.35ShirikWhy do I have no title bar
05:30.42ShirikAll I see is the black background
05:31.19tekkublootDistributionFrame.titlebg:SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT", frame, "TOPRIGHT");
05:31.24tekkubwhat is frame?
05:31.53Shirikffs
05:31.58ShirikI really need to stop changing my variable names
05:33.06Shirikthat fixed it, thanks again tekkub >.>
05:35.12Aznamirhow to convert a string value a1.2.34bcd into 1234?
05:35.19Aznamirin lua
05:35.46Shirikwhy would that become 1234?
05:35.56Shirikjust strip everything except the numbers?
05:36.01Aznamiryeah
05:36.39Shiriklua> local s = ""; for d in ("a1.2.34bcd"):gmatch("%d") do s = s .. d end print(tonumber(s))
05:36.40lua_botShirik: 1234
05:36.58tekkubeeeeeeeew
05:37.02Shirikmay notbe the best way to do it
05:37.03Shirikbut it works
05:37.26ScytheBlade1"eeeeeeew" was my first reaction too
05:37.50Shirikfine how about
05:37.54Aznamirum.. and if I simply want a substring from that.. 1.2.34 ?
05:38.09tekkublua> tonumber((("a1.2.34bc"):gsub("%D", "")))
05:38.09lua_bottekkub: 1234
05:38.11Shiriklua> tonumber(("a1.2.34bcd"):gsub("%D", "")
05:38.12lua_botShirik: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>'
05:38.14ShirikI hate you tekkub
05:38.16ShirikI was getting there!
05:38.32tekkubI got there first, and mine worked
05:38.39ShirikMine didn't work because I gave up when I saw yours
05:38.52Thunder_ChildLies!
05:39.04Aznamirlua> string.sub("a1.2.34bcd", 1, 6)
05:39.04lua_botAznamir: a1.2.3
05:39.14Aznamirlua> string.sub("a1.2.34bcd", 2, 7)
05:39.14lua_botAznamir: 1.2.34
05:39.18Aznamircool
05:39.28ShirikAlso, tekkub, this isn't lisp
05:39.34Shirikchillax on the parentheses
05:39.44tekkublua> tonumber(("a1.2.34bc"):gsub("%D", ""))
05:39.44lua_bottekkub: 194
05:39.50tekkubfuck you, they're needed
05:40.12Shirikwoah what?
05:40.18Shirikgsub returns two values?
05:40.23tekkubyes
05:40.29ScytheBlade1...
05:40.33Shiriklua> return ("a1.2.34bc"):gsub("%D", "")
05:40.34lua_botShirik: 1234, 5
05:40.38Shirikoh the number of matches
05:40.51Shirikfine, tekkub wins for now
05:40.59tekkubdon't question my codes again
05:41.08ShirikI will question your codes if I damn well feel like it
05:42.13Aznamirand if i gonna compare strings, "a" < "b" right?
05:42.30Aznamirlua> print("a">"b")
05:42.30lua_botAznamir: false
05:43.30Shirikdepends on what you mean
05:43.44Shiriklua> "12" < "5"
05:43.44lua_botShirik: true
05:43.52Aznamirokay, now more interesting question... how to change a1.2.34bcd in to 1.2.34a ?
05:44.08ShirikI think you need to be a little bit more specific what you're asking
05:44.33ExawattIs SendAddonMessage restricted by spam filters?
05:44.35Aznamirtrying to make a addon version synch
05:44.46ScytheBlade1No
05:45.04Aznamirso I need to compare version and notify the user that a new one is available
05:45.57ExawattHm... I'm using Spydon to show me, and once I send four or five messages in a row to myself, I only get an "<OUT>" line... no "<ECHO>" (showing it returned).
05:45.58AznamirI use curse packager, so the version label looks like "b1.2.34" or "v1.2.35-release"
05:46.56ShirikExawatt: What is spydon and what are you doing to send these messages
05:47.29ExawattShirik: Spydon hooks into SendAddonMessage and shows you in a cool interface what's coming and going.
05:47.35Aznamirfor beta users I need to let them know that a new beta or release is available, for release users I need to let them know only that a new release is available
05:48.00Shirikperhaps you should reconsider your version numbers then
05:48.41ExawattShirik: I'm sending messages to myself as a method of creating an AI in a game. The SendAddonMessage is sent to myself instead of an opponent, triggering the event handler (and thus the game). That way I don't have to code differently for AI than for a player opponent.
05:48.42Aznamirit kinda matches wow patch version
05:50.25Shirikok and why do you think that the spam filter is holding you back?
05:50.42Shirik(i.e., how have you confirmed that you are sending the right data)
05:52.58ExawattI see the message go out, but it doesn't come back.
05:53.22Exawatthttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/111674
05:53.49Arrowmasterbad design choice imho
05:54.26ExawattArrowmaster: Me or Aznamir?
05:54.33Arrowmasterboth
05:54.38Aznamirlol
05:54.55ExawattI'm open to suggestions... :)
05:57.19Arrowmasterdont use the addon channel to talk to yourself
05:57.25Arrowmasterit wont work well at all
05:57.35Aznamirok, i'm going to sleep to re-think and come up with another bizzare idea
05:57.44Aznamirlaters
05:58.31ExawattThe only other way I saw of coding AI was to make it practically a separate game.
05:58.55ExawattWhy is it unreliable to send messages to yourself?
06:00.13Arrowmasterwell for one you mention that you dont receive the messages, meaning its not possible
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06:00.47ExawattI'm not receiving the last in a long line of messages. Fifty previous ones work fine. :?
06:01.09Arrowmastersee, unreliable
06:02.20ExawattOh crap. I think I realized why it's not working. Infinite loop happens before anything gets back. Spydon doesn't get to process the incoming message. (AI was still trying to find a next move after the board was full.)
06:02.27ExawattI'm... dumb.
06:05.49Shirikok vim is being stupid
06:06.00ShirikI gave it a find/replace all command
06:06.09Shirikit comes back with error "pattern not found" and then highlights all of the matches
06:06.14Cairennlol
06:06.57Shirikhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/88ac25903c003ddf8a263f7bfb7796f3.png
06:08.01JamashI think I see your problem
06:08.09Jamashyou're using VIM
06:08.14ShirikDon't make me ban you
06:08.27Shirikso help you if you mention emacs
06:09.02Jamashoh god no
06:09.08Thunder_ChildVIM =<3
06:09.12JamashI used to use Vim all the time
06:09.43Jamashthen I decided I hated modes
06:09.56ShirikI love it
06:09.57Jamashnow I am a wanderer, lost in the wasteland of editors
06:10.08Shirikso many things you can do in vim that requires work in other editors
06:10.08tekkubscite ^^
06:10.08Arrowmasteri use vim on the console but i cant fucking stand gvim
06:10.22Shirikgvim has its issues
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06:10.27JamashI used jedit for a while, now I use scite
06:10.28Shirikbut I don't really feel like compiling vim for windows
06:10.35tekkubI win
06:10.39ShirikBut, I'm fast enough with vim commands that I prefer it over scite
06:10.51Arrowmastergvim's main issue is that its a console editor pretending to have a gui
06:10.53Thunder_Childstop showing images of win 7 Shirik. i want it already
06:11.03Shirikget it then
06:11.13Thunder_Childthe RC i mean
06:11.20Shirikoh are they on RC?
06:11.29Thunder_Childno, thats my point
06:11.38Thunder_Childi want the full bloody thing already
06:12.19Jamashreally?  why?
06:12.34Thunder_Childbetter than vista
06:12.45Arrowmasteri saw the e-texteditor released their source but im still not touching that thing on windows, it needs cygwin for all the features to work and thats never touching my system
06:13.17Arrowmasteralthough a linux version will be interesting
06:15.02Jamashxp is better than vista, why not use that?
06:16.27Shirikdefine "better"
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06:16.58Dolbyvista has so many features you get used to not to mention xp64 sucks so if you need more than 4gb ram you gotta go vista.   win7 from what I've experienced is all the nice features vista brings + more  with out all the negatives
06:17.06Arrowmasterspeaking of xp, seems ive reached a new record uptime of 7 weeks and still going
06:17.24ZorbaTHutI've heard quite a few people complain about xp64, but honestly I've never have trouble with it
06:17.47ShirikI've heard quite a few people complain about vista
06:17.48ZorbaTHutarrow, http://cams.pavlovian.net/megauptime.png
06:17.51Shirikbut in general those are all just bandwagon people
06:17.57ZorbaTHut(ironically, I had to shut it down to replace the UPS)
06:18.28Arrowmasterhow the hell did you get a win2000 box to run that long?
06:18.33Dolbyvista64 is ok, i couldnt go back to xp though.  so used to all the small features.
06:18.34ZorbaTHutit's winxp, actually
06:18.39ZorbaTHutand the answer is "I didn't turn it off" ;)
06:18.49Arrowmasteryou dont install updates?
06:19.10ZorbaTHutno, I don't. it sits behind a very restrictive firewall and uses firefox/thunderbird
06:19.41ZorbaTHutonly 46 days right now, I had to reboot it to try fixing a driver issue :(
06:20.29ZorbaTHutI suspect that over 10% of its reboots have been thanks to hardware failures, it's gone through two capacitor-plagued motherboards by this point.
06:20.37Arrowmasteri still have http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html bookmarked for my reason of why i hate vista and will hate win7
06:21.38Dolbyoptical media is going to die anyway.
06:22.17ZorbaTHutmight take it a bit, optical media has several major advantages that are as yet unmatched
06:22.28kmcguireI am amazed, but vista64 has been running as stable as can be on this quad core. No problems, zero.
06:22.34Dolbyyeah I'm sure it will take a bit
06:22.36kmcguireZip, none. nothing.
06:22.53kmcguireMicrosoft for the win!
06:22.59kmcguireepic micro
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06:26.53ExawattAhaha. "bit." I get it.
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06:44.35Shirikbleh
06:44.42Shirikdevtools needs to more correctly handle nil values
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06:48.23Thunder_ChildShirik ^^
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06:49.23Cairennheh, thanks Shirik, was just noticing that ...
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07:07.36Thunder_Childmeh, taking to long to get my epic mount
07:08.06Thunder_Childs/mount/flying/
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07:12.10*** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "The uterus is not a clown car!" - Kamdis
07:14.22NightHawkTheSanedude, the uterus woul dmake a GRETA clown car.
07:14.35Thunder_Childthats what *i* said
07:14.57NightHawkTheSaneit probably is. ltiteralyl
07:15.03NightHawkTheSane...
07:15.31Fisker-hey Shirik
07:15.35Fisker-it's called a vagina
07:15.46Shirikhey Fisker-
07:15.48Shiriktalk to Kamdis
07:16.01Fisker-no u
07:16.06NightHawkTheSaneYOUR a vagina,
07:16.29Fisker-Youre mom
07:17.08NightHawkTheSanefun fac! gin & onic is good.
07:17.17Thunder_Childonic?
07:17.52Fisker-he spilled it on the keyboard
07:19.09NightHawkTheSanedi dnot
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07:21.18Thunder_Childdrunk NightHawkTheSane?
07:21.24nevcairielapparently he drank a rather big amount of it, though
07:21.34NightHawkTheSanemaybe a bit.
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07:33.19KemayoNightHawkTheChemicallyAdjusted
07:34.25Thunder_Childi think NightHawkThePlastered is more amusing
07:37.05NightHawkTheSanei agree. i am more amusing!
07:37.12NightHawkTheSanethis, however, is disturbing http://failblog.org/2009/04/01/product-fail/
07:40.44tekkub*snicker* I love how if I touch fuzz with just one finger and don't move it, he freaks out and runs away
07:43.08krkaprobably a healthy response, given what you did to it previously
07:43.12Thunder_Childthats amazing NightHawkTheSane
07:55.51Thunder_Childhttp://pictureisunrelated.com/2009/04/03/wtf-is-going-on-with-science/
07:57.50Corrodiashahahah
08:05.05Thunder_ChildCairenn, http://failblog.org/2009/03/01/language-fail-3/
08:05.17CairennROFL
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08:17.13Fisker-tackles Thunder_Child
08:17.28Fisker-why so fake Thunder_Child ?
08:21.19Thunder_Childbeats Fisker-
08:22.53Fisker-unbeats himself and permabeats Thunder_Child
08:23.41Thunder_Childdodges Fisker-'s permabeat and blinds Fisker-
08:24.01Fisker-unblinds himself and permablinded Thunder_Child
08:25.14Thunder_Childgets visual implants to fix the blindness and decapitates Fisker-
08:25.35Fisker-undecapitates himself and ends Thunder_Child
08:27.02Thunder_Childstarts again and fails Fisker-
08:27.41Fisker-i hate you
08:27.54Thunder_Childthen i have done my job correctly
08:28.35Fisker-actually i love you
08:29.10sioraiocht_Shirik:
08:29.11Thunder_Childto late
08:29.53Thunder_Childhttp://fukung.net/v/4452/Lohan%20Facial.gif thats a rather cool effect
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08:57.37TopTop18Eey! Anyone here at the moment?
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09:05.20YcareneIf I camp another player until they log off, that's still legal right?
09:06.15Shirikthere is no such thing as pvp abuse
09:06.17Fisker-maybe
09:06.21Fisker-yes there is Shirik
09:06.26ShirikIt's in their FAQ
09:06.41Fisker-Their FAQ is wrong
09:06.45ShirikYcarene: Hit the ? button
09:06.49Shirikand type pvp as the search box
09:06.58Fisker-PvP harassment can be actioned if it's to the point where you're unable to play
09:06.59Shirik"Can I camp another player's corpse"
09:07.33Shirik"Corpse camping, graveyard camping, or instance zoneline camping are considered acceptable PVP tactics. Because these actions have a PVP resolution, they are NOT considered harassment."
09:07.54YcareneExtreme circumstances is a little vague don't you think?
09:08.06ShirikI don't think so
09:08.18ShirikThere is a pvp resolution
09:08.21cncfanaticsShirik: hai
09:08.22Shiriktherefore, sucks to be them
09:08.23Shirikperiod
09:09.16nevcairielIs there a pvp resolution if you're a fresh lvl 20 out of the sanctuary zone and some 80 camps you?
09:09.19nevcairieli don't think so :P
09:10.13Fisker-As i already said, action may be taken if it's excessive to the point where the play can no longer play the game
09:11.26Shiriknevcairiel: Yes there is
09:11.32ShirikGet someone on your faction to help you
09:11.38ShirikIf your faction is too evil to do that, then sucks to be you
09:11.50ShirikIf you still have a problem with it
09:11.52Shirikgo to a pve server
09:11.54Fisker-[11:10:15] <Fisker-> As i already said, action may be taken if it's excessive to the point where the play can no longer play the game
09:11.55Fisker-end.
09:12.10ShirikFisker- you've said that a million times and yet I still believe you no more than the first time you said it
09:12.20Fisker-Then don't
09:12.31Fisker-Still doesn't change the fact that it's true
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09:15.30Fisker-http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116551291&postId=73026959942&sid=1#73
09:15.49Fisker-Excessive corpse camping = harassment = actioned
09:16.25Corrodias"excessive" probably meaning over a period of days
09:16.46Fisker-Maybe
09:17.00Corrodiassurely not hours; that's commonplace
09:17.02Fisker-That still before the end of time
09:17.10Fisker-[11:08:24] <@Shirik> therefore, sucks to be them
09:17.10Fisker-[11:08:25] <@Shirik> period
09:17.15Fisker-Doesn't matter how many hours it is
09:17.20Fisker-End of time or not irrelevant
09:17.25Fisker-err
09:17.27Fisker-relevant
09:18.04ShirikOk, not to change the topic here
09:18.15ShirikWTF do I have to do to make UIDropDownMenu not hate me?
09:19.10Jamashsacrifice a stoat
09:19.15Shirikhttp://wowi.pastey.net/111681
09:19.17ShirikThat's what I have so far
09:19.21Shiriknevcairiel, genius, go
09:20.14nevcairielShirik: go read http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763
09:20.26Shirik<3
09:24.47Shirikbleh
09:24.53Shirikthat actually wasn't what I needed to know
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09:25.32Shirikand why the crap do I have to log in to view an attachment
09:26.09nevcairielmeh you don't need the images to see the code examples =p
09:26.28ShirikWell I see the code, but it's not answering one thing
09:26.34Shirikthis is what's killing me
09:26.40Shirikdoes UIDropDownMenu only handle the pop-up component?
09:26.47ShirikNot the static display component?
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09:27.29Shirikbecause the code in this sample bases the dropdown off the title bar of the app
09:28.07TopTop18Can you make a dropdown box?
09:28.22Shiriksurely the basic combo boxes present in the UI have to be abstracted somehow, but all I see (such as PaperDollFrame) is using UIDropDownMenu
09:28.40nevcairielstatic-display-component?
09:28.47nevcairielthe select box?
09:29.15Shirikyes
09:29.45nevcairielUIDropDownMenuTemplate is that
09:29.51TopTop18So do you know how I could make one or where to find information about it? Couldn't find it in the XML page on the wiki
09:30.08Shirikok that's what I thought nevcairiel
09:31.32TopTop18Ah in the blizzard files, Thanks nevcairiel, gonna take a look at it there
09:33.12TopTop18Ah that will use a lot of lua I see, as I didn't start with that yet I will add the dropdown menu later on then :D
09:37.48Shirikok nevcairiel, I finally found out what's going wrong
09:38.04ShirikIt's so far off the screen I didn't notice it >.>
09:38.11Shirikyay for coding at 5 AM
09:38.27TopTop18Lol
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09:40.37TopTop18Oh lol you guys where already talking about a dropdown menu XD
09:42.26Shirikyes
09:43.03TopTop18Well I'll add that dropdown box later :D
09:43.16ZorbaTHutargh how is a -77 turning into a 77. this is going to be far harder to debug than anyone would really expect
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09:56.17TopTop18Eey Legorol!
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10:01.42Legorolhello TopTop18
10:02.29TopTop18\My addon goes pretty well adding the good look now and then going onto the lua and functionality
10:04.23ShirikThere's no limit to the number of UIDropDown boxes you can have, right?
10:04.27Shirik(Within limits, of course)
10:04.56nevcairielno limit within limits?
10:05.00LegorolI am amused to see those two lines follow each other directly :)
10:05.19Shirik...
10:05.26Shirikit's 6 AM give me a break :(
10:05.29ShirikI mean, within reason
10:05.35Legorolcoffee, man, coffee!
10:05.43Shirikno caffeine
10:05.43nevcairielsleep > coffee
10:05.52ShirikAnyway, I'm getting something abit wierd where I have 10 rows of items
10:06.07Shirikand the dropdowns on all of them except the first look as if the UI decided not to paint half of it for some reason
10:06.23LegorolDoes the UI dynamically generate buttons as needed for the dropdowns?
10:06.37LegorolIf not, it might be exhausting the pre-allocated number maybe perhaps possibly?
10:06.52ShirikBy "UI" you mean my code?
10:06.57Legorolyes sorry
10:07.04ShirikIf so, no not dynamic., They're all generated up front
10:07.20LegorolI'm a noob when it comes to dropdowns, so I'm just shooting in the dark
10:07.32ShirikI intentionally avoid them
10:07.41Shirikbut I have to make this use them because my raid leader is... not that bright
10:07.44Shirikand it's the most obvious choice
10:11.48ShirikLegorol: Like this http://images.gammatester.com/pics/cd784713384f06cd7c396cd8496043b6.png
10:11.53Shirikit just paints that tiny little piece
10:12.00Shirikand I'm sitting here like "... wtf is that"
10:12.38Legorolcustom DKP addon, ey?
10:12.44LegorolI'll have to make one of those for our guild too at some point
10:13.04ShirikWe want to automate the loot process finally
10:13.12nevcairielShirik: you're sure you didnt give them the same name?
10:13.14Shirikwe've come to the realization that 90% of our lost time is during the loot process
10:13.16ZorbaTHutoh yeah, you should definitely disenchant the brie
10:13.21ShirikZorbaTHut ><
10:13.27ShirikI'm not going to test this in Naxx ><
10:13.44ZorbaTHutLesser Bleu Essence
10:13.50ZorbaTHutRind Shard
10:13.54ZorbaTHutthey sell for a lot on the AH
10:14.03Shiriksigh
10:14.04Shiriknevcairiel wins again
10:14.12ShirikI never use frame names
10:14.14ShirikI find them pointless
10:14.20nevcairielWell, the templates need them
10:14.21ShirikI hate the fact that I'm required to here
10:14.28ZorbaTHutyeah, I agree with your dislike of frame names
10:14.31nevcairielYou could rebuild the template in Lua
10:14.41Legoroltoo much work
10:14.43ZorbaTHutI don't know why they don't just use members
10:14.44Shirikthere's o real benefit to that
10:15.04nevcairielXML simply requires names
10:15.08LegorolZorbaTHut: because they are not members
10:15.18nevcairielif you want to use $parent
10:15.27airtonix<insert bad joke about anatomy>
10:15.47Legorolwhat i mean is, they might be getting defined inside the <Frames> tag, but they are full, top-level objects as far as the UI is concerned
10:15.58Legorolparent-child relationship doesn't imply membership relationship
10:16.01JamashI really do wish I could use . in XML names and have them stuffed into the appropriate namespace
10:16.13JamashI tried it when I was first starting out
10:16.43Jamashdidn't work, of course
10:17.25JamashI could make a joke about XML requiring everything to be global and world domination, but I'm too sleepy
10:17.38airtonixthing is it doesnt
10:17.46airtonixblizzard fail at implementation
10:17.56JamashI mean XML in wow, not XML in general
10:17.57airtonixor couldn't care
10:18.03airtonixso do i
10:18.38nevcairielWhy would they care? if they were to start using anonymous frames, alot of people would cry that they cannot access them anymore from their addons to modify them
10:18.48airtonixxml and its namespaces been around since windows 98..
10:19.00nevcairielIf you don't want names in your frames, use Lua to create them
10:19.22Shirikoh god I didn't mean to make a big deal out of this
10:19.34Jamashnevcairiel: they could make them neatly nested without making them wholly anonymous
10:19.44TopTop18Whoho I found out I did something right I didn;t even knew that it was usefull!!! I made the text relative to the previous text, so I only ahve to change the upper one to change place of all texts
10:20.03ZorbaTHutnev, if they made 'em members, they could still be accessed by just diving through the hierarchy. I agree that the high-level Blizz frames should be named, but I don't think that I should be required to provide a name to some random button so Blizz's implementation doesn't choke :P
10:20.22nevcairielYou're not forced to use theirs, so shrug =)
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10:21.09nevcairielThere is no real argument against naming frames
10:21.14nevcairielpersonal preference doesnt count
10:21.36ZorbaTHutI'd argue that there isn't any real argument for mandatory naming of frames either, in that case
10:22.18nevcairielThere doesn't have to be, its their design :D
10:22.31ZorbaTHutwell, yeah, obviously. I don't think anyone's arguing that.
10:22.48ZorbaTHutI'm not saying their design isn't a valid design. I'm saying I think it's a crummy design. :)
10:22.56JamashI found out a somewhat bizarre naming convention issue when developing Learning Aid, which is that if a button inherits from SpellButtonTemplate, but its name doesn't begin with "SpellButton", the Blizzard Feedback tool chokes
10:23.01airtonix<PROTECTED>
10:23.24nevcairielthe feedback tool is totally broken by itself
10:23.28nevcairielno matter what you do =P
10:24.23Jamashhow so?
10:24.58nevcairielIt randomly taints half the UI, and causes Lua errors on the other half. Good that its only on the PTRs :)
10:25.04Jamashah
10:26.20JamashWait, a blizzard addon causes tainting?  That's weird.
10:26.34nevcairielthe feedback ui is kinda a special case
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10:26.56airtonixlulz, example of level of care
10:27.10airtonixtesting tools by their nature should be perfect
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10:27.24airtonixhow else are you going to recieve accurate results?
10:27.36nevcairielits not a testing tool, its just a big textbox people should type reports in
10:27.53airtonixwhose results are askew by its imperfections
10:27.56Jamashit's really just a big front end for /bug and /suggest
10:31.38nevcairielThe problem is that it hooks into quests, spells, map etc so you get comfy ways to open it, but it sometimes breaks stuff with that
10:32.11ZorbaTHutI've been in more than one MMORPG beta where I submitted a bug via the testing tool
10:32.19ZorbaTHutand the next dozen bug reports I submit are all reports *about* the testing tool
10:32.29airtonixmuwahaha
10:33.23airtonix"ok this report is about how my last report(which was about the report before that) got rejected and caused my character to endlessy run around in a cricle "
10:33.36ZorbaTHutairtonix, I've done stuff exactly like that
10:33.42LegorolI love the level of negativity here..
10:33.55Shirikahaha
10:34.04Shirikso at 6 AM those kid shows come on the TV
10:34.04ZorbaTHut"alright when I was submitting the last report I hit a spot of lag and it wouldn't let me control my character for about a minute because it was eating all my keyboard inputs, and I almost got killed. That should be fixed."
10:34.07Shirikand I'm listening to them
10:34.23Legorolspeaking of kid shows... my local cinema is dumb
10:34.26airtonixthe highlights of positivity can not be appreciated without first experiencing the depths and grand wit that negativity provides us
10:34.27ZorbaTHut"Also, I've just noticed that I can only view the last ten reports I've made"
10:34.28Shirikand it says "Surely you'll be tired at midnight! Everyone in the WORLD is tired at midnight!"
10:34.29JamashLegorol: -∞
10:34.37ShirikI laughed
10:34.41ZorbaTHut"Okay, errata to the last report: it turns out I can only view reports for the last 15 minutes"
10:34.56ZorbaTHut"Also, I can't amend reports (this is a separate bug, I just discovered it when I tried to amend the report-before-last)"
10:35.00Legorolg/f and I show up at a 10 am showing on Sunday of something we missed earlier. We get told that it's a 10 am Sunday showing for a reason, it's for kids.
10:35.09Legorolkids get special cheap ticket prices to watch it
10:35.19Legorolwe are desperate, we offer to buy full adult tickets, or pay even more
10:35.25Legorolmanager says: no can do sorry, you can't watch it
10:35.27Legorolhow dumb
10:35.33airtonixprotip: dont pick your nose after handling chilli
10:35.43airtonixT_T
10:35.51airtonixyou keep that one for free
10:36.03Jamashgood advice
10:36.03Legorolbest advice manager could come up with: grab a random kid off the street and drag them in here
10:36.13Jamashalso: don't pee on the electric fence
10:36.16TopTop18Lol
10:36.21Shirikwtf
10:36.32LegorolI mean seriously, if we had a kid with us, they'd let us in for almost no cost, and we'd take up an extra seat.
10:36.42LegorolWithout a kid, and offering to pay them 10x the kid ticket price, they are not letting us in.
10:37.36LegorolTo add insult to injury: the car park has a minimum stay of 2 hours. So we ended up paying full price for that too >.<
10:37.58airtonixthinking of the movie : Falling Down
10:38.09airtonixmake a path! i'm coming HOME
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10:55.16Shiriknite nite
10:58.58Legorolsleep well Shirik
11:05.29TopTop18Yay my addon goes pretty well and even going to look like soemthing :D
11:07.12AnduinLotharis there an easy way to determine if a frame has had it's width/height set or if it's dependent on anchorings?
11:08.16TopTop18Depends on hwo you do it right now, coudl you pastey.net you're current way to code it?
11:08.31TopTop18*your
11:08.47AnduinLothareasy as in any*
11:10.46TopTop18The easiest way I know is like this:  http://pastey.net/111686
11:10.54AnduinLotharthe only way i can thing would be to loop using GetNumPoints and GetPoint and strfind on the relative points to see if they're on opossite sides... but that seams like a pita
11:11.26TopTop18That's like magic for me :D
11:11.34AnduinLotharoh no... i mean in game, arbitrary frame
11:11.54TopTop18I have really no idea XD
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11:33.42cncfanaticsgod damn I hate this
11:33.47cncfanaticsa bloody screw was loose in my cdrom drive
11:36.40VonhintenHOME`Anything special I have to do to get HandyNotes_Directions to work?  I've talked to the guards and asked for directions, nothing
11:39.31TopTop18Cnc, Lol does your drive works again now?
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11:54.43cncfanaticsTopTop18: it does
11:54.57cncfanaticsseems some screw got loose and was blocking that damn fan
11:55.12TopTop18Okay so everything wis fixed now again?
11:55.13cncfanaticsfound the screw, took it, put it back in drive, all fixed :p
11:55.19TopTop18Lol
11:55.24TopTop18Well good for you :D
11:55.41cncfanaticsI find it anoying that screw got loose in the first place tbh
11:55.48cncfanaticsnot suposed to happen :p
11:55.53TopTop18Ye
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12:04.13VonhintenHOME`Kemayo, ping
12:31.21MattBnrTopTop18: are you in here again bugging people?
12:32.05TopTop18yes I'm
12:32.32TopTop18Although things go pretty well atm, but goin gto lua soon so going to get a lot of problems:D
12:36.08TopTop18Okay I have two last problem wiuth the look: The color doesn;t change if I change the color code in the font, how to fix this? and my cursor stays stuck in the editboxes, how to get it out? Code: http://pastey.net/111690
12:36.16TopTop18How to solve these two things?
12:37.05jnwhitehadd autoFocus="false" to the editbox in question
12:37.46TopTop18Trying now
12:39.59TopTop18Thanks jnwhiteh, it works now and esc works when the cursor is in it now :D
12:40.07TopTop18But do you know how to solve the color problem?
12:40.25jnwhitehi don't know what the color problem is
12:40.34jnwhitehthere's a bunch of font strings there, and you didn't give much information
12:41.40TopTop18The font that's defined above is used in the upper fontstring, title
12:41.58TopTop18Ah found the problem
12:42.13TopTop18There was only a color code in the shadow part that I was trying to change XD
12:42.26TopTop18Added a color part to the actual font now and it works now :D
12:44.25TopTop18Gonna dive into the lua then now :D
12:56.27TopTop18Is there somewhere a good explanation of the lua basics in WoW?
12:56.32jnwhitehyes
12:56.34jnwhitehmy book
12:56.35jnwhiteh><
12:56.40TopTop18XD
12:56.44nevcairielwe advertised that already
12:56.48jnwhitehI know
12:56.54TopTop18Ye and still not got the money XD
12:57.02jnwhitehlearn Lua first
12:57.04jnwhiteh~pil
12:57.05purlProgramming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.
12:57.42nevcairielOn a side note, i hate writing docs
12:58.58mikmajnwhiteh: needs more catchy name imho, like: "Pimp my UI"
12:59.25TopTop18I'm going to take a look at that book then :D
12:59.43TopTop18Mikma: Pimp my moount is better XD
13:00.18nevcairieli got a 2nd edition PiL somewhere around here, i didn't really read it much, but i felt like supporting the Lua authors
13:00.35TopTop18lol
13:03.55batrickSo cogwheel got banned? When did this happen?
13:04.02jnwhiteh*sigh*
13:04.11jnwhitehhe got temp banned as a final warning
13:04.12jnwhitehfor editing his green macro guide to further his agenda
13:04.23jnwhitehabuse of his prior MVP power
13:04.38jnwhitehthe ban happened like two weeks after everything actually went down
13:04.40batrickic
13:04.44jnwhitehthey also wiped the forum of all of his posts as a result
13:05.07mikmaevilness got replaced by more evilness
13:05.15nevcairieloh they have a blue-post with the ui policys now too
13:05.20batrickThey should have just deleted the MVP thread
13:05.28jnwhitehit was already deleted
13:05.31nevcairielinterestingly, not posted by a UI person
13:05.37jnwhitehand this has been discussed multiple times, to death :P
13:05.50batricksorry ><
13:05.57jnwhitehwe surmise that rather than try and sift through to see what else he edited that was green for the same cause
13:06.00jnwhitehthey wiped him
13:06.04jnwhitehsafest bet for them, but a bit harsh
13:06.08batrickthis channels logs are too long for me to skim through
13:06.20jnwhitehits been all over the forums as well
13:06.35batrickAll I saw was what was in the last two pages of the big policy thread
13:06.47jnwhitehits been on the wowi forums as well
13:06.57jnwhitehust letting you know so you can look for it if you want
13:07.08batrickokies thanks clad
13:16.18VonhintenHOME`~seen Kemayo
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13:50.53Industrialidd
13:50.54Industrial:D
13:52.10MattBnranyone here on a vista computer with a readyboost flashdrive installed?
13:52.24VonhintenHOME`I've used it in the past
13:52.39MattBnris it possible for the readyboost flashdrive to actually slwo down the pc?
13:52.45MattBnralow*
13:52.49MattBnrslow* cant type
13:52.51VonhintenHOME`don't believe so
13:53.16MattBnrhmm weird it seems like mine is going slower since i installed it
13:53.23MattBnrmaybe its just me
13:54.36VonhintenHOME`I guess it's possible
13:57.06Fisker-wtf
13:57.15MattBnrmaybe its my pagefile size....
13:57.41Fisker-You can't make custom Starcraft 2 maps without getting the map approved from Blizzard apparently O_o
14:01.11p3limhm there was some global variable to change the alpha of the background that shows on the chatframe when mouseover'ed, anyone remember it?
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14:29.10DWSRAnyone that can help me out with getting a kgpanel to show/hide with Pitbull's party frames? I'm totally at a loss for what to do.
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14:41.56foxlit"Who added that?" "Oh, I did. Hm."
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14:55.39DWSRCan GetPartyAssignment return how many people are assigned a given role?
14:55.45DWSROr do I have to make a loop for that?
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15:43.04Krapshey, what does it mean when quests in TG have a green background?
15:46.03jnwhitehnot sure
15:46.10jnwhitehthat they're easy? :P
15:46.24Krapsdoubt it :)
15:46.37Krapsnetherstorm
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15:49.37klugehi guys i rly like the addons u recommended
15:49.44klugemostly dominos
15:49.46klugeowns
15:51.40Krapsso if you dont look where you're going you could fall and die? LAME
15:51.49WobinKraps: I think it means the quest handin or whatever is in town
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16:23.57Aquaalright, someone explain something to me, i'm messing around with the PlayerTalentFrame, but whenever i first launch an addon i get no errors, but any UIReloads after that i get a nil value error, any thoghts?
16:26.44Seerahfix the error? :)
16:26.50Seerahyour addon, or no?
16:26.56Aquaits my addon
16:27.20Aquabut i'm kinda tired (and clueless) on what i'm doing wrong, as I have used a similar procedure to mess around with the quest log
16:27.48Seerahwhat is the error?  without it we can only guess
16:28.01DWSRSeerah: Or install exploits. :P
16:28.04zenzelezzhave you opened the talent frame before trying to use your addon?
16:28.17zenzelezzIIRC the talent frame is Load-on-Demand
16:28.20AquaAttempted to index global 'PlayerTalentFrame' a nill value
16:28.20SeerahDWSR: ??
16:28.34DWSRSeerah: Exploits to view his screen.
16:28.35Aquaand i have opened the talent frame
16:28.35Seerahwhat zenzelezz said then
16:28.39Seerahoh :P
16:28.46Aquabut is the quest log not load on demand as well?
16:29.09Seerahobviously not :)
16:29.42Seerahthe PlayerTalentFrame hasn't been created yet at load time, when your code runs, hence the error
16:30.06Aquatrue, so write a conditional to check the existence of the playertalentframe?
16:30.10Seerahrun your code when the frame is shown/created for the first time
16:30.11Aquaor that the easiest way to do it?
16:30.16Aquaor do on event?
16:31.14Seerahit depends on what your code is.  If your code only runs once, an if PlayerTalentFrame then statement would not execute your code at load time, but would also not run when it needs to.  Hence, (11:30:04 AM) Seerah: run your code when the frame is shown/created for the first time
16:31.41Aquaaite, sorry like i said i'm not all the way awake
16:31.46Aquaand thanks
16:31.50Seerah:)
16:33.05Aquaand there is probably no event for talent frame open
16:33.20Seerahhook it's OnShow
16:34.04Seerahif there isn't - which I'm not sure
16:34.06Aquaand thats offical something i've not had to deal with yet
16:36.13Seerahhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_HookScript
16:36.22Aquathats what i was looking at
16:36.24Aquathanks again
16:36.26Seerahnp
16:37.14Seerahjust like setscript, except it does not override the current script - will be run after
16:39.11p3limanyone here that is able to lock comment sections on projects?
16:39.14p3limat wowi
16:41.44cbreak|evilI am sure there's an upper post limit
16:41.47cbreak|eviljust fill it :)
16:48.45Aquasomeone give me a quick example of hookscript beyond the wowwiki one?
16:48.58Seerahp3lim: I can - what do you need?
16:49.15SeerahAqua: look at my TipTop addon
16:49.40foxlit"Seerah: hook it's OnShow" << woah?
16:49.54SeerahI don't know what he's doing - he didn't show code :P
16:50.23foxlitYeah, but the issue was "Aqua: Attempted to index global 'PlayerTalentFrame' a nill (sic) value"
16:50.23Aquai'm trying to widen the player talent frame, both height and width
16:50.40foxlitIf you can't get to the frame, you can't HookScript its OnShow either :)
16:51.26foxlitAqua:  watch for ADDON_LOADED for "Blizzard_TalentUI"
16:51.36foxlitOnce it fires, you can run whatever code you want for PlayerTalentFrame.
16:51.48Aquathanks again
16:51.48jnwhitehdoes it ONLY do somethignw iht the talent frame?
16:51.51jnwhitehif so, LoadsWith
16:52.13Aquayea, it only messes with the talentframe
16:52.17Seerahsee?  smarter people were slacking and you were left with me in my decaffeinated state :P
16:52.18jnwhitehthen you shoudl use LoadsWith
16:52.28jnwhitehand your addon will be loaded right after the talent frame is :P
16:52.30Kalrothhttp://acdev.org/transformer_tomas.jpg :D
16:52.57Seerahrofl
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16:57.45AquaI gotta learn to stop doing stuff with programming when i'm tired
16:58.15SeerahI've made a rule that I'm not allowed to code after midnight
16:58.22ShadowedI love coding after midnight
16:58.29Shadowedbecause then I go to sleep and try and figure out my train of thought
16:58.33Seerahwhen the clock strikes 12, I turn into a pumpkin
16:58.51Seerahoh, I still do it, but...  I'm not allowed to :)
16:59.39DWSRSeerah: Can GetPartyAssignment return how many people are assigned to the given role?
16:59.57SeerahI don't know
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17:05.14Aquaok, dumb question: Whats the right way to monitor for an ADDON_LOADED event?
17:07.44zenzelezzsame as for other events, register for it?
17:08.12Seerahthe event returns the addon name as an arg
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17:15.45jnwhitehI would like to state again that you should be using the ## LoadsWith directive in yoru .toc rather than using ADDON_LOADED
17:15.58jnwhitehone burdens the user with your addon when its not necessary
17:16.03jnwhitehthe other does precisely what you want it to do
17:16.04jnwhiteh:P
17:17.44AquaAlright
17:25.05DWSRjnwhiteh: Do you know if GetPartyAssignment(MAINTANK) will return the number of MTs in the raid?
17:25.38jnwhitehDWSR: i don't think so, but i'm not sure off the top of my head
17:25.43DWSRk
17:25.48nevcairielIt doesn't, it can only be used to check if a certain unit is MT/MA
17:25.55DWSRnevcairiel: Ah, thanks
17:26.23DWSRWoWWiki and WoWProgramming are unclear.
17:26.49jnwhitehhttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPartyAssignment
17:26.50nevcairielhow are they unclear?
17:26.53jnwhitehthat's very clear.
17:27.09nevcairielwell ok its a bit weird that unit or name is marked optional
17:27.15DWSR^
17:27.34DWSRAlso says "This function needs to be reviewed"
17:27.41jnwhitehthe text shows what its meant to do tho.
17:27.45DWSRWhich means, to me, that the page might be incomplete
17:27.46jnwhitehDWSR: every function says that
17:27.48jnwhitehwe're going through a review
17:27.50jnwhitehwell, it doesn't :P
17:27.54DWSRAh, well I didn't know that
17:27.56jnwhitehevery function is being manually reviewed
17:28.01DWSRHence why I asked.
17:28.25nevcairieldo you have some smart script again? =P
17:28.28Seerahwowwiki has GetPartyAssignment listed twice.  GetPartyAssignment("assignment")   - Returns unitID of unit assigned to given role.    and    GetPartyAssignment("assignment", "unit")   - Returns a value based on whether the unit is assigned to given role
17:28.50nevcairielWell in any case, it doesnt return the number of people
17:28.51nevcairiel:)
17:28.53jnwhitehand I believe that's correct, Seerah
17:28.55Seerah*nod*
17:29.25DWSRmkay.
17:29.29DWSRlearns to loop in Lua
17:29.35alestaneSeems like in an ideal world, GetPartyAssignment("assignment") would return all the units with that assignment as separate returns.
17:29.37Seerahjnwhiteh: just mentioning because wowprogramming doesn't mention the first part (returning unitid)
17:29.47jnwhitehSeerah: aye, that would need to be updated
17:29.52jnwhitehbut someone needs to test first
17:30.09Seerah*nod*
17:30.23Seerahhuggles jnwhiteh, alestane, nevcairiel, and foxlit
17:30.24DWSRis loop in Lua while (conditional) then .... end?
17:30.38nevcairielthats one type of loop
17:30.43DWSRyeah.
17:30.49DWSRIt's the one I'm looking for, at any rate.
17:30.50alestanewhile expression do ... end
17:30.59DWSRalestane: It's do?
17:31.00DWSRk
17:31.01nevcairieloh right, its do not then
17:32.10DWSRdo I need line terminators in Lua?
17:32.15DWSROr is it just \n?
17:32.19alestaneif expression then statements [else otherstatements] end; while expression do statements end; repeat statements until expression; for var=start,stop[,step] do statements end; for exprList in iterator do statements end;
17:32.35alestaneYou can use semi-colons, but whitespace is also sufficient.
17:32.44alestaneThose are Lua's five basic control forms.
17:32.51DWSRalestane: Spank you
17:33.09DWSRWhat's not equal? !=?
17:33.13alestane~=
17:33.18DWSRk
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17:34.07DWSRIs Less than or Equal to <= or =<?
17:34.11alestane<=
17:34.12krkaDWSR: "foo" and "bar" are not equal
17:34.23krkabut there are many things that are not equal. it would be silly to enumerate them all
17:34.30nevcairiellol
17:34.51DWSRkrka: Yeah, but I'm checking for a non-zero value..
17:34.57DWSR~= 0 <- win
17:35.12alestane0 is true in Lua; You need val ~= 0.
17:35.31DWSRyeah, I got that far.
17:35.35DWSRThough why 0 is true
17:35.43DWSRwhy is 0 true*
17:35.47nevcairieleverything is true, unless its false
17:35.55krkaonly false and nil are false
17:35.58DWSRspecifically "false"?
17:36.06DWSRok\
17:36.23alestaneDSWR: in orginal version of Lua, there were no true or false values. nil was false in conditions, everything else was true.
17:36.32Industrialanoyne ever installed windows (xp) on a macbook?
17:36.50krka"false" is not false
17:36.50nevcairielIndustrial: thats just wrong
17:36.56alestaneboolean values were added to allow for a non-nil value that was false, i.e. explicit falseness rather than just the absence fo data.
17:37.03Industriali dont care, its an intel PC
17:37.08Industrialmac is just a brand.
17:37.11Industrialand I hate osx.
17:37.45alestaneI know you ca set them up as dual-boot, but I've never asked about an XP-only installation.
17:38.01DWSRIndustrial: Just drop a WinXP CD in and profit?
17:38.01Industrialhowever, I want to dual boot and can't get past stage 2 of the windows install where you boot from the hd from windows for the first time
17:38.13DWSRah
17:38.16DWSRwhat's it erroring out on?
17:38.21Industrialhal.dll :(
17:38.24Industrialon boot
17:38.25DWSRhail
17:38.27DWSRfail*
17:38.35DWSRGoogle, my friend. Help you, I cannot.
17:39.02ScytheBlade1Your hardware be broke
17:39.11ScytheBlade1(Or you got a very unlucky bad sector)
17:39.27Industrialnope works just fine :P
17:39.34nevcairielThat has to be a really bad luck to hit hal.dll in a bad sector
17:40.51DWSRI'm looking to loop through all of the members of a raid and find out how many main tanks there are. How do I get from a count variable to a unitID?
17:41.19ZorbaTHuthey, I assume there are no easy tricks for determining what line that the tables which form the bulk of your memory usage are being allocated from?
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17:41.26alestaneDWSR: "raid"..var
17:41.42DWSRalestane: Assume I'm mentally challenged.
17:41.50nevcairiel("raid%d"):format(number) imho
17:42.04nevcairielbut the .. works too
17:42.27alestaneDWSR: The raid unitIDs are raid1, raid2, ... raid 40 etc.
17:42.43DWSRAH.
17:42.46DWSRmuch lov
17:42.47DWSRlove*
17:42.47alestaneMore accurately, "raid1", "raid2", ... "raid40"
17:43.30DWSRSo if I wanted to concat raid + var i?
17:43.38ScytheBlade1"raid"..i
17:43.41DWSR..?
17:43.43DWSRk
17:43.46alestaneSo a loop like this supplies the framework: for i=1,40 do local unit = "raid"..i; someAction(unit) end
17:43.50ScytheBlade113:41 <+alestane> DWSR: "raid"..var
17:44.17alestane.. is a concatenation operator. Tries to turn its operands into strings, then evaluates to the string formed by cat-ing them.
17:45.05krkaTries to turn its operands into strings <-- false
17:45.48alestaneIf they're numbers, at least, it does.
17:45.51DWSRthey increment operators (like +=?
17:45.55krka.. runs __concat(a, b) from right to left
17:45.56alestaneNope.
17:46.00nevcairielDWSR: a = a + 1
17:46.01krkait may be strings and it may not
17:46.09krkait's strings for numbers and strings
17:46.34Arrowmasterlua> 1 .. 2
17:46.35lua_botArrowmaster: 12
17:46.48Arrowmasterlua> type(1 .. 2)
17:46.48lua_botArrowmaster: string
17:46.50nevcairielIt works for number and strings, everything else needs a tostring() call
17:47.10DWSRhttp://lua.pastebin.com/d2397379c <-- That look right?
17:47.20Arrowmasterits more efficent to just use string.format though if you are using .. with numbers
17:47.40Arrowmasterbut for small things like "raid"..i it doesnt matter
17:48.01DWSRoh duh
17:48.02nevcairielDWSR: it won't count the number if MTs, if thats what you want
17:48.04DWSRinfinite loop
17:48.08DWSRnevcairiel: Yeah, it is.
17:48.31nevcairielWhy don't you just use a for loop, anyway? :)
17:48.47DWSRnevcairiel: Is it going to matter?
17:48.56nevcairielnot really, but it saves 2 lines
17:48.59DWSRfair enough
17:49.10alestaneIt makes your intention clearer.
17:49.12krkaArrowmaster: really?
17:49.31krkanot sure how string.format is faster than ..
17:49.52nevcairielFor single concats, it doesnt really matter
17:50.06nevcairielbut if you have multiple concats, it would create more string garbage
17:50.48DWSRCan I not do mts = mts + GetPlayerAssignments?
17:50.53krkaplease create a test example where local result = a..b..c..d is slower than local result = string.format("%d%d%d%d", a, b, c, d)
17:51.04Arrowmastermultiple concats especially with numbers where it will internally call tostring() then yes string.format is faster
17:51.18DWSRDo I have to return GetPlayerAssignments to another var first?
17:51.18krkahow do you avoid multiple string.formats?
17:51.28nevcairielDWSR: probably not, as GetPlayerAssignment will return nil
17:51.36DWSRnevcairiel: Yeah...
17:51.40DWSRSo I'm adding nothing to the value.
17:51.50alestaneNo, you're throwing an error.
17:52.01DWSRok
17:52.03nevcairielyou can do "if GetPlayerAssignment(...) then mts = mts + 1 end"
17:52.05alestaneAttempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value.
17:52.42DWSRCan't do mts += 1 if GetPlayerAssignment(...), eh? :P
17:52.43alestaneIf GetPlayerAssignment is on the 1|nil standard then you can use mts = mts + GetPlayerAssignment() or 0
17:52.54Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,c,d,t=1,2,3,4,os.time(); for i=1,100000 do local result = a..b..c..d end return os.time()-t
17:52.55lua_botArrowmaster: 0
17:52.55alestaneDWSR: You seem to have mistaken this for Python.
17:52.58DWSRalestane: It would appear to be so, according to WoWProg
17:53.00Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,c,d,t=1,2,3,4,os.time(); for i=1,10000000 do local result = a..b..c..d end return os.time()-t
17:53.02DWSRalestane: Perl, actually. :P
17:53.06lua_botArrowmaster: Your code exceeded set CPU limits
17:53.11Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,c,d,t=1,2,3,4,os.time(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = a..b..c..d end return os.time()-t
17:53.14lua_botArrowmaster: 3
17:53.18nevcairieluse os.clock
17:53.20nevcairielits more accurate
17:53.32Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,c,d,t=1,2,3,4,os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = a..b..c..d end return os.clock()-t
17:53.35lua_botArrowmaster: 2.59
17:53.37Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,c,d,t=1,2,3,4,os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = a..b..c..d end return os.clock()-t
17:53.41lua_botArrowmaster: 2.62
17:54.03Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,c,d,t=1,2,3,4,os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = ("%d%d%d%d"):format(a,b,c,d) end return os.clock()-t
17:54.04lua_botArrowmaster: 1.14
17:54.07Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,c,d,t=1,2,3,4,os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = ("%d%d%d%d"):format(a,b,c,d) end return os.clock()-t
17:54.08lua_botArrowmaster: 1.13
17:54.09DWSRalestane: If I use your mts = mts + GetPlayerAssignment() or 0, I don't need to put () around the func and 0?
17:54.21Arrowmasterkrka: you were saying?
17:54.26alestaneHold on, let me check precendence.
17:54.28krkaah right, lua actually makes a metatable call
17:54.31krkathat's disappointing
17:54.41krkai hoped it had special cased numbers
17:55.11alestaneNo, looks like you need to group them. or has the lowest precendence of any Lua operator.
17:55.22alestaneDWSR: But the if statement is more efficient.
17:55.33DWSRmkay
17:55.36Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,t="1","2",os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = ("%s%s"):format(a,b) end return os.clock()-t
17:55.37lua_botArrowmaster: 0.58
17:55.45Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,t="1","2",os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = a..b end return os.clock()-t
17:55.46lua_botArrowmaster: 0.1
17:56.04Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,t="1",2,os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = a..b end return os.clock()-t
17:56.05lua_botArrowmaster: 0.72
17:56.15Arrowmasterlua> local a,b,t="1",2,os.clock(); for i=1,1000000 do local result = ("%s%d"):format(a,b) end return os.clock()-t
17:56.16lua_botArrowmaster: 0.78
17:56.30DWSRhttp://lua.pastebin.com/df820437 <-- That looks less bad then?
17:56.41nevcairiellacks an end
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17:56.57nevcairielalso your mts should be initialized to 0
17:57.01Arrowmasterso a single string and a single number are about the same speed with either way
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17:57.28Arrowmasterthe more complex the concat the better string.format will be
17:57.28DWSRawesome
17:57.39alestanehttp://lua.pastebin.com/m73426dec
17:58.11Arrowmasteralestane: ~=.....
17:58.36DWSRalestane: Should I not add local mts; after I'm checking if I even need it?
17:58.41alestaneArrowmaster: ?
17:58.49Arrowmasterits != in lua
17:59.06nevcairielArrowmaster: since when? :)
17:59.06Arrowmasteror have i not coded in so long that im forgetting
17:59.18alestanelua> 5 != 3
17:59.18lua_botalestane: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '5'
17:59.20nevcairiellua> "a" ~= "b"
17:59.20lua_botnevcairiel: true
17:59.20Arrowmasteryeah im lossing my mind
17:59.24alestanelua> 5 ~= 3
17:59.25lua_botalestane: true
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18:00.12DWSRlua> "a" == "b"
18:00.13lua_botDWSR: false
18:00.15DWSRmkay.
18:00.21alestaneDWSR: Only move the local var declaration inside the if if you're also going to finish using it completely within the if.
18:00.43DWSRalestane: scoping?
18:00.49alestaneTrue lexical scoping.
18:00.57nevcairielWhat happens in an if, stays in an if!
18:01.04DWSRthat's what she said.
18:01.13alestaneA local name is only bound within the scope within which it was first bound.
18:01.43nevcairielyay my part2 preload is finally done
18:01.47nevcairielman that took a while
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18:03.21DWSRMultiplication op is *?
18:03.25alestaneYes.
18:03.39alestanehttp://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.1
18:04.04alestaneNote: unlike C, assignment is not an expression, it is a statement.
18:05.09jnwhitehlua> print(a = 14)
18:05.10lua_botjnwhiteh: luabot:1: ')' expected near '='
18:05.10DWSRsetheight is in pixels?
18:05.11jnwhiteh^^ hence
18:05.20nevcairielsometime i miss that from C
18:05.26jnwhitehDWSR: in the "pseudo-pixel" that wow uses, yes.
18:05.40alestaneDWSR: SetHeight is in quasi-pixels.
18:05.57alestaneA dimension equal to 1/768 the height of the creen.
18:06.05alestanescreen*
18:06.13DWSRoh.
18:06.14DWSRffs.
18:06.43DWSRany way that I can get the true resolution and figure out how much a pseudo pixel is?
18:07.12alestaneYou shouldn't want to worry about it.
18:07.30DWSRI'm trying to make a kgpanels layout
18:07.35DWSRWhy shouldn't I worry about it?
18:07.47nevcairielIf you start worrying about real pixel size, you get in scale-hell
18:07.52DWSRah
18:08.00alestaneThe scaling algorithms in the UI are good for most purposes...base your dimensions around screen real estate rather than individual screen pixels if you want to stay sane.
18:08.45nevcairielThe resolution isnt that important anyway. Its more the UI Scale you worry about
18:08.50DWSRCan I set something like self:baseheight in OnLoad and then call it later in OnUpdate?
18:09.18alestaneif ti's a value, it would be self.baseHeight, but sure.
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18:14.34DWSRso self:baseHeight = self:GetHeight();?
18:14.48alestaneself.baseHeight = self:GetHeight().
18:14.54alestaneLess the final .
18:14.55DWSRline terms ftw.
18:15.28alestanea:b(...) is a syntax shortcut for a.b(a, ...)
18:15.52DWSRah
18:19.52DWSRhttp://lua.pastebin.com/d59e79ed8
18:20.13nevcairielagain with the :
18:20.26DWSRln 13?
18:20.44nevcairielvariables always use .
18:20.50nevcairielonly function calls can use :
18:20.58nevcairieland even then you should know why its : and not .
18:21.42DagmarBecause someone, somewhere, thought it looked prettier
18:22.04nevcairielIt does, but you should still understand what it does exactly :)
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18:23.18nevcairielman i'm bored, i need some movie to watch or something
18:24.55jnwhitehAdys: any idea is quest objectives are constant, i.e. are they just fields in the dbc files?
18:24.56Fisker-rocks out
18:24.58Fisker-same nevcairiel
18:25.20Adysjnwhiteh: wdb files, yes; why?
18:25.27jnwhitehyeah that too
18:25.28jnwhitehjust wanted to check
18:25.33DWSRnevcairiel: Louis C.K. - Chewed Up <-- Gogo
18:25.35jnwhitehit helps if we can be locale independent
18:25.46Adysprogress and completion texts are the only thing gathered from serv
18:25.47Thunder_Childhttp://failblog.org/2008/11/25/infidelity-fail/
18:26.33nevcairielhah
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18:27.00DWSRawesome
18:27.34jnwhitehAdys: perfect, thanks
18:29.02Rounded^I'm in need of an addon which mimics the visual style of the stock blizz buffs, but ofc with some modding functionality, anyone got any suggestions?
18:29.18DWSRRounded^: What functionality do you need?
18:29.35Rounded^well
18:30.08Rounded^the arragement of the icons, e.g. auras left, temp enchants next on right side
18:30.19Rounded^basically mirror it to the left side of the screen instead of right
18:30.51Rounded^e.g. a movable frame for them and a way to sort their order
18:30.51DWSRyou might be able to do that with Elk's Buff Bars
18:31.23Rounded^tried that but got baffled form the functionality, I can't get rid of the "bar" style
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18:31.59Rounded^the icons are not separate from the bars, hence when I drop the width down, the icons eventually disappears
18:32.13DWSRuhuh
18:32.18DWSRYeah, I don't know of such an addon
18:32.18Rounded^or I suck
18:32.24Rounded^either way :D
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18:32.26DWSRI personally hate icons only.
18:32.30DWSRall about the bars
18:32.37Rounded^I used bars for a long time
18:32.47Rounded^now, well, the bars fill the screen
18:32.54DWSRSmall screen much?
18:33.10Rounded^no matter how thin you make them, 12px times 40 bars isn't good to look at
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18:33.22DWSRoh lol in raids?
18:33.25Rounded^yea
18:33.28Rounded^that's the idea
18:33.28DWSRMeh.
18:33.29Fisker-I AM A GOD
18:33.36Rounded^for pvp, the bars are superior
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18:34.29DWSRFor raids, why don't you just turn off non-self buffs?
18:34.58Rounded^control freak
18:35.05DWSR?
18:35.06Rounded^also lazy buffers
18:35.08DWSROh.
18:35.12DWSRRight, I run RBS.
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18:35.31DWSRI pwnsauce lazy buffers with that then just move everything out of my buff bars.
18:35.45Krapswhat addon shows time/xp to next level?
18:35.53DWSRKraps: Lots
18:36.04DWSRKraps: You could use XP Bar None if you want a whole new XP bar.
18:36.04MysticellTitanPanel is a nice one for that
18:36.09DWSRIndeed.
18:36.28DWSRIf you use PitBull or XPerl UF, they have XP bars built in that do that
18:37.15Krapsmy xp bar is already different cuz of dominoes
18:38.02DagmarMacaroon's XP bar is rather handy.
18:38.16DWSRideed
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19:10.10LunessaFree association in this channel is very revealing.
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19:11.07Cairennhehehe
19:11.44RobsatoIs there a way to get the amount of elements in a table when the indexes are not consecutive (like a table with indexes 1,10,100 would return 3)? I could only find table.maxn but that returns the biggest index
19:12.57ScytheBlade1count them, one by one
19:13.06ScytheBlade1(Or keep track of the totals yourself)
19:13.27Thunder_Childnot everyone has no life like you ScytheBlade1
19:14.03zenzelezzthat's almost as random as something I'd say
19:14.04Robsatok, will do that. I was just assuming there would be something handy for that :-)
19:14.32Legorolfor k in pairs(yourtable) do count = count + 1 end
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19:19.55VonhintenHOME`been having wierd mob behaviour lately... I'll attack a mob, and it'll just stealth all of a sudden... then come back a couple seconds later, attacking me, with all the debuffs and health gone that it started with
19:21.06mikmaoh i like the fact that gambit is in wolverine
19:24.17DWSRLua doesn't support modulus does it?
19:24.47foxlit%, math.fmod
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19:28.03DWSRcan you transfer characters off of refer a friend accounts without making the account to a full account?
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19:29.14DagmarTrial accounts can't do much of anything.
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19:31.02DWSRlua> 32 / 10
19:31.02lua_botDWSR: 3.2
19:31.44tekkubret or holy, help meh?
19:31.54DWSRholy
19:31.55DWSRret fails.
19:32.19airtonixgo affliction
19:32.22DWSRlol
19:32.24DWSRalready there.
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19:32.58airtonix1. afflict 2. faceroll 3. ???? 4. exit guild
19:33.16DWSRlol
19:33.18DWSRSo true
19:33.20DWSRDoT up and run!
19:33.51DWSRThere a function to round numbers or do I have to roll my own?
19:34.23Dagmaro.O
19:34.37Dagmarhttp://www.google.com/search?q=round+numbers+in+lua
19:35.08foxlitSeriously, http://www.lua.org
19:35.15DWSRfoxlit: I'm reading it/
19:35.26foxlitRead faster!
19:35.32foxlitRead better!
19:35.35foxlitRead stronger?
19:35.42DWSRRead harder?
19:36.14cog|awayread longer?
19:36.23zenzelezzread Scooter
19:37.31foxlitHm, I wonder
19:37.44foxlitMy type="click" SAB refuses to act as a proxy :/
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19:38.41zenzelezztry with a VLVO
19:39.33DWSRlua> floor(10^0*29 + 0.5)/10^0
19:39.33lua_botDWSR: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'floor' (a nil value)
19:39.41DWSRmath.floor?
19:43.05Shirikyes
19:43.08Shirikbut, why are you doing that
19:43.26foxlitah, I see
19:43.34Shirikseems like a very complicated way to get to 29
19:43.35foxlitI can't proxy the button up state :/
19:43.39DWSRShirik: Meant 2.9
19:46.05foxlitwhich utterly sucks :(
19:47.41foxlit(The problem is that a single button cannot handle the following sequence of OnClick events: A down, B down, A up, B up << B up doesn't fire)
19:51.40DagmarOf course
19:52.34Cairennwow, who the fuck is printer and why is she attacking me?
19:53.03Cairennhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1&pageNo=111#2208 and again #2212
19:53.05ScytheBlade1er?
19:53.08cog|awayCairenn: srsly
19:53.19ScytheBlade1ha
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19:53.30DagmarTrolls don't need a "reason"
19:53.34ScytheBlade1ignore 'em
19:53.35cog|awaythat post reminded me i'm banned :(
19:53.37ScytheBlade1her
19:53.40ScytheBlade1she it whatever
19:53.42Cairenncog|away: sorry :(
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19:56.01Cairennhave to wonder if it's someone's shill, and if so, whose
19:56.44foxlitDo you really care?
19:56.54Cairennhonestly? yes
19:57.13AbsolutRayneYay uploading in progess!
19:57.23AbsolutRaynewaves goodbye to his Badnwidthz
19:57.41CairennI want to know why they suddenly attacked me (personally) and WoWI (as a whole) out of the blue for no apparent reason
19:58.08zenzelezzCairenn: maybe he wanted to post it but you beat him to it
19:58.33zenzelezzyou know what "FIRST!" posters are like
19:58.45ScytheBlade1Cairenn: people are people. There is a reason that places with white padded walls exist
19:58.50foxlit"just so you can drive traffic to your site" gives you why
19:59.19foxlitI was actually wondering whether you cared about the "who" :)
19:59.24DagmarNah.
19:59.31Fisker-he's a printer
19:59.32DagmarThat's just an excuse for the attack after-the-fact.
19:59.37Fisker-Printers love attention
19:59.44DagmarYep.
19:59.45Cairennfoxlit: well, the who might explain the why
19:59.53Fisker-they make such noises when getting attention
20:00.12DagmarThey even make up fake paper jams to get attention
20:00.28Cairennshrugs
20:00.42Cairennjust bugs me that someone would suddenly attack me out of the blue
20:00.53DWSRCairenn: How long you been on the internets? :P
20:00.59CairennI know, I know
20:01.01AbsolutRayneIts Springtime. Hormones are going crazy?
20:01.08Cairennthe whole thing has me raw /shrug
20:01.29DWSRIs there a way I can check if a player has a target. I don't care about what the target is.
20:01.33DagmarCaireen: Who are you and what have you done with the real Cairenn
20:01.36foxlitI'm surprised it's on that thread rather than the "donations at wowi" one
20:01.43CairennDagmar: ?
20:01.44DWSRThere's tons of "target is this or that" functions.
20:01.50DagmarThe real Cairenn would know trolls "just happen".
20:01.53DagmarThey're like mushroom.
20:01.55foxlitYou'd think that if you were annoyed at the plugging, you'd troll on the latter.
20:02.06cog|awayDWSR: someone who doesn't already have a unit id for you?
20:02.07ScytheBlade1ha
20:02.09ScytheBlade1mushrooms is good
20:02.26Fisker-when i was young trolling used to mean something
20:02.48zenzelezzFisker-: the 70s are gone, let it go
20:02.55DWSRcog|away: I want to know if the target exists. Period full stop. Just the existance of a target of any kind.
20:03.03cog|awayright
20:03.14ScytheBlade1if UnitName("target") ~= nil
20:03.14cog|awaybut i'm talking about who you're interested in finding out about
20:03.24DWSR?
20:03.26cog|away" if a player has a target"
20:03.32ScytheBlade1ah
20:03.37DWSRcog|away: Oh, sorry.
20:03.39DWSRIf I have a target.
20:03.48DWSRYeah, disambiguation ftw.
20:03.48cog|away!api unitexists
20:03.48lua_botDocumentation for 'UnitExists' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitExists
20:04.04ScytheBlade1UnitExists would probably be better, yeah
20:04.08DWSRunitd = target?
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20:04.15DWSRs/d/id/
20:04.16cog|awayyes
20:04.16ScytheBlade1(which is why you wrote the book, not me ;))
20:04.23DWSRthank youi
20:04.46cog|awayDWSR: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types#unitID
20:04.57DWSRmmm yummy text
20:05.40DWSRspanks
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20:09.14p3limis it possible to cut a model frame in a way? something alike the :SetTexCoord() function
20:12.05foxlitsigh, this is reminiscent of an old tom & jerry cartoon
20:13.26foxlit(or, well, any cartoon garden fork pun segment -- take a step forward, get hit in the face, stumble backwards, get hit in the back of your head, stumble forward, repeat ad infinitum)
20:15.24foxlitIf I implement mouse input through actual clicks, binding-based input breaks
20:15.55foxlitIf I implement binding-based input, it breaks if you attempt to use the binding with the mouse cursor over anything accepting click-based input
20:16.00DWSRUnitReaction doesn't work with PCs, does it?
20:17.00DWSRah, nevermind, found what I want
20:17.03ThraeDWSR: It does to an extent. If you're trying to figure out Hostile, Neutral, and Friendly, then check out TinyTipBasic.lua on either WoWI or wowace.
20:17.28DWSRhttp://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitSelectionColor <--- Win.
20:18.46ThraeOh that's neat. I should use the new function.
20:19.05Shirikwoah
20:19.07Shirikmy mouse fixed itself
20:19.10DWSRthere a way to declare multiple variables and corresponding values?
20:19.14Shirikyay!!
20:19.20DWSRsomething like local (a,b,c) = (1,2,3)?
20:19.28ShirikDWSR: a,b,c = 1,2,3
20:19.32DWSRrofl
20:19.32ThraeDWSR: In Lua it's local r,g,b = 233,211,112
20:19.51DWSRawesome, thanks.
20:21.17DWSRcan I do local r,g,b,a = UnitSelectionColor?
20:21.44ScytheBlade1yup
20:22.08ScytheBlade1Check out the "Signature" on that wowprogramming page you linked
20:22.27DWSREven better, can I do self:SetBackdropColor(UnitSelectionColor());?
20:23.13ThraeDWSR: Yes you can, as long as you don't mind the chance that'll return nil (and you need to give that function a unit!)
20:23.26DWSRThrae: Yes. :P
20:23.45DWSRThe WoWP page doesn't list the function as ever returning a nil value.
20:24.04ScytheBlade1It'll return a single nil if you pass an invalid unitID
20:24.10ScytheBlade1ie, 'target' when you have no target
20:24.17DWSRAh, yeah.
20:24.20jnwhitehgarbage in, garbage out
20:24.21jnwhiteh=)
20:24.23DWSRI added a check for target before that statement.
20:24.24nevcairielError cases are usually not documented
20:24.28jnwhitehdon't need docs to tell you that
20:24.54DWSRSo, provided I didn't screw the first part up, the second part should Just Work (tm)
20:25.10ThraeIt'll probably also return nil at weird times like a query before the server first updates, etc.
20:25.36DWSRIt's in an OnUpdate script in a kgpanel.
20:25.48Dagmar...and maybe during hours whose epoch times are evenly divisible by nine.
20:25.52DWSRrofl
20:26.01nevcairielOnUpdate sounds evil
20:26.36DWSRnevcairiel: I don't really have much other choice in where to put it
20:26.41DWSRThere's on hide and on show.
20:26.55DWSRBut I'd still need to use onupdate to check for a target.
20:27.01Zyndrome22:06.36 ( p3lim ) is it possible to cut a model frame in a way? something alike the :SetTexCoord() function
20:27.08Zyndromeif you or anyone EVER find such a way, lemme know ;P
20:27.18p3lim^_^
20:27.35Zyndromeor actually, wish you could mask models, if you wanna have a player portrait fill a circular frame :C
20:27.54p3limyeah
20:28.13p3limreason behind this is I want my portrait to cut off as I lose health (portrait anchored to the health bar)
20:28.52ScytheBlade1Can always throw a texture on top of it and resize it/adjust the alpha
20:29.05DWSRnevcairiel: Although, I could put it in the OnEvent section *facepalm*
20:29.06Zyndrome:<
20:30.01Zyndromehttp://www.shatteredminds.net/skit/greenfog.png , toying with SetModel, but doesn't show up on target frame, and looking around, the way to make it appear is by OnShow or something
20:30.06Zyndrome(healthbar-fog)
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20:37.18DWSRself:SetBackdropColor(UnitSelectionColor( "target" )) <-- this is not working, but not throwing any errors.. Any suggestions?
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20:43.07nevcairieldo you actually have a backdrop to set the color on?
20:43.09DWSRWhat's the #1 stat on a DPS DK, excluding Hit?
20:44.05Krapsparry
20:44.10Krapslol jk
20:44.20|Jelly|str imo
20:47.39DWSRyeah
20:47.39DWSRAccording to EJ, anyway.
20:47.39DWSRAnd their math looks complicated enough to be right. :P
20:48.17DWSRnevcairiel: One second
20:48.21DWSRDoing guild interviews as well
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20:53.22DWSRnevcairiel: I'm doing this as an OnEvent script in kgpanesl
20:53.25DWSRkgpanels*
20:53.34DWSRSo I'm playing around with it and trying to find docs to answer your question
20:53.51DWSRI thought if I just set the background to solid, it would color it.
20:55.03LegorolDWSR: actually, strength is *the* number one stat, even above hit, when you are not even hitcapped, up to some ridiculously high crossover point that I don't remember
20:55.26DWSRLegorol: Yeah, I just checked out the stat weights in EJ
20:55.32DWSRStrength is like 2.6 or something
20:55.41Legorolstr and (uncapped) hit are very close
20:55.41DWSRor 2.8
20:55.44DWSRyeah.
20:55.56Legorolin practice, people will try to get hitcapped, because balance is everything :)
20:56.03Legoroland reality isn't all about theory
20:56.21Legorolalso, i'm not 100% that the stat weights posted on EJ take into account the spell hit effect of getting hit
20:56.35Legorollast time i was reading on it, it was only considering the melee implications
20:56.36Krapssomeone should permanently polymorph that william kid
20:57.01Krapsare horde kids that annoying?
20:57.11Legoroland spell hit chance scales very favourably with hit, which means it's worth getting hit
20:57.49DWSRindeeed
20:57.54DWSRlol
20:57.58DWSRindeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
20:58.52Krapsomw to northrend :)
20:59.39DWSRnevcairiel: http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=263669&postcount=782 <--- I'm pretty much having this problem, but kagaro's post confuzzles me more
21:01.30foxlitYou're having the same symptoms
21:01.39foxlitYour *problem* could be something entirely different.
21:01.49DWSRYes
21:01.51Shiriklua> msg = "1,2,3" for request in msg:gmatch("%b[,][^,]+%b[^,]") do print(request) end
21:01.52lua_botShirik: No output
21:01.57ShirikWho wants to tell me what's wrong there
21:02.06Shirikah crap
21:02.10DWSRI hate lua matching
21:02.12Shiriklua> msg = "1,2,3" for request in msg:gmatch("%f[,][^,]+%f[^,]") do print(request) end
21:02.12lua_botShirik: No output
21:02.15foxlitAnd you're sure you can do balanced clauses that way?
21:02.16ShirikOk what's wrong THERE
21:02.22ShirikI meant frontier
21:02.34foxlit(1) You're using an undocumented pattern (2) See (1)
21:02.40ShirikYah yah
21:02.41DWSRlol
21:02.43ShirikI know
21:04.03Shiriklua> msg = "1,2,3" for request in msg:gmatch("%f[^,][^,]+%f[,]") do print(request) end
21:04.04lua_botShirik: 2
21:04.41foxlitWhy all the fuss, though -- what is it that you wanted to match?
21:05.01ShirikI want to split a comma-delimited request of unknown size
21:05.11foxlitso gmatch over [^,]
21:05.15foxlit+
21:05.32Shirikwow
21:05.40Shirikthat's pretty stupid
21:06.26Legorollua> msg = "1,2,3"; for request in msg:gmatch("[^,]") do print(request) end
21:06.27lua_botLegorol: 1, 2, 3
21:06.30Shirikyeah
21:06.33ShirikI don't know why I didn't do that
21:06.34Legorolah damn, foxlit beat me to it
21:06.37ShirikI blame just waking up
21:06.45foxlitI blame knowing too much
21:06.48Legorollua> msg = "1,2,3"; for request in msg:gmatch("[^,]+") do print(request) end
21:06.48foxlit:)
21:06.49lua_botLegorol: 1, 2, 3
21:07.20Legorolfoxlit: here's a challenge, how do you match 1, 2 and 3 in "1, 2, 3"
21:07.36foxlitignoring prefix spaces?
21:07.44foxlit(do you care about suffix spaces?)
21:07.49Legorollet me rephrase:
21:07.50ShirikI can handle that afterwards
21:08.04Legorolhow do you match using arbitrary sequence of characters used as a separator
21:08.24Legoroli could use 123 as separator, for example: "112321233"
21:08.37Legorol(i know it's a stupid example, but still)
21:08.39foxlit:gsub("123", ";")
21:08.41jnwhitehstring.split already does this.
21:08.50Shirikah but string.split has one flaw
21:08.55Legoroljnwhiteh: spoilsport. using split is not fun :)
21:08.56Shirikwhich is why I didn't use it to do my split
21:08.58jnwhitehlua> string.split("123", "hey123what123is123up"))
21:08.58lua_botjnwhiteh: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')'
21:09.01jnwhitehlua> string.split("123", "hey123what123is123up")
21:09.02lua_botjnwhiteh: hey, , , what, , , is, , , up
21:09.11ShirikProblem is string.split relies on one thing, or a workaround
21:09.11jnwhitehthat is interesting
21:09.12jnwhitehheh
21:09.24Legorolfoxlit: yeah i think you win
21:09.36krkajnwhiteh: is that a reversed engineered string.split from wow?
21:09.38Legorolunless the original string has ; in it
21:09.43ShirikEither you have to know how many return values will be given, or you have to put its result into a table
21:09.44jnwhitehkrka: no, i have the actual wow implementation
21:09.46jnwhitehbut that's not i.
21:09.48jnwhitehnot it, rather.
21:09.53jnwhitehthat's a lua implementation
21:09.57LegorolShirik, that's very true
21:09.59jnwhitehi ahve the c code for wow's stringsplit if you want/need it
21:10.05ShirikThat's why I went with gmatch instead
21:10.21Legorolhowever, if you are worried about garbage, remember that gmatch creates a closure
21:10.22krkanah no thanks
21:10.27Legorolso it's no better than creating a table
21:10.27foxlitLegorol: of course. If there are no reserved characters, we'll just make some.
21:10.29Shiriksure
21:10.36Shirikbut gmatch is more elegant, imho
21:10.39krkanot sure how you got hold of wow's c code though O_o
21:11.07CairennFisker-: ping?
21:11.19Shirikbtw jnwhiteh, that's incorrect
21:11.28jnwhitehyes i know?
21:11.30Shirikthe first parameter of strsplit is a list of characters to use as separators
21:11.41jnwhitehkrka: it was written by a member of the community
21:11.45jnwhitehShirik: aye, i always forget that :P
21:11.52krkai see
21:12.13krkai'd use a stateless iterator for the split i think
21:15.42ShadowedAnyone using a non-US localization?
21:15.46Legorol<=
21:16.12ShadowedFor the world map Legorol, are the continents sorted alphabetically, or is it Kalimdor -> Eastern Kingdoms -> Outlands -> Northrend
21:16.38LegorolShadowed: i'm on enGB client so I doubt the order differs from US :P
21:16.43Shadowedoh
21:16.49Shadowedyea, I need like German or something :P
21:16.49Legorolyes it's Kal, EK, Ou, No
21:16.55Legorolwell then say so :P
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21:17.09ShadowedI said non-US, I figured it was implied that meant non enGB :P
21:17.11Shadowedapparently not!
21:17.19DWSRsay non English
21:17.40LegorolShadowed: assumptions are the mother of all fuckups, and therefore I interpreted it literally
21:17.56foxlitwhile I cba booting up a localized version, I can tell you that the doc pages say that continent indices are stable across localizations
21:18.21Shadowedgoody
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21:18.43TeomyrShadowed, it's in the same order in deDE
21:18.51Shadowedthanks Teomyr

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