| 00:00.44 | Dagmar | Legorol: http://scanline.ca/overscan/ |
| 00:00.59 | Legorol | thanks Dagmar |
| 00:01.55 | Dagmar | Interesting. Around line 255 it's chattering about it being told exactly what's needed for a modeline |
| 00:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 00:03.47 | Dagmar | OKay so it gets oevr the squirrely horizsync stuff at line 324 apparently |
| 00:04.30 | Dagmar | Ah line 436. |
| 00:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | .7 |
| 00:05.22 | Dagmar | So you should be able to pass the sucker Option "ModeValidation" "NoHorizSyncCheck" and it'll override it for your modeline as well |
| 00:06.02 | Dagmar | ...but you see how X has decided the horizontal refresh rate is a certain range, and just goes through ruling out literally every other mode |
| 00:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Where should I stick that? |
| 00:06.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The monitor? |
| 00:06.46 | Dagmar | Monitor section yeah |
| 00:08.38 | Dagmar | Weird. That log file doesn't terminate with an error |
| 00:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 00:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't fix it :) |
| 00:09.34 | Dagmar | The display appeared, tho? |
| 00:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 00:10.12 | Dagmar | Well, anyway we can tell it picked it's _own_ modeline and ignored the one you supplied |
| 00:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That made it accept the modeline |
| 00:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Says it even selected and configured it |
| 00:12.35 | ScytheBlade1 | But it totally didn't work, ha |
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| 00:12.43 | Dagmar | No it didn't |
| 00:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/111550 |
| 00:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Name is "custom" |
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| 00:13.42 | Dagmar | That's what I was about tio ask you |
| 00:13.47 | Dagmar | Lemme read the rest of this log |
| 00:13.54 | Dagmar | It didn't rule it out right away that time |
| 00:14.15 | Dagmar | Line 1875 sez so far so good |
| 00:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | As does 1961 |
| 00:15.09 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa, okay, that did something to the screen |
| 00:15.11 | Dagmar | It should be operating with that mode |
| 00:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It is no longer... normal ;) |
| 00:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Stretched |
| 00:15.35 | Dagmar | OKay looks like probably now it's just a matter of adjusting porch values |
| 00:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | er? |
| 00:16.21 | Dagmar | http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html |
| 00:16.39 | Duman | Yup, 0.1.0.9757 will be the new build on the servers when the come back up. |
| 00:16.47 | Duman | new ptr patch, whee |
| 00:17.01 | Dagmar | The video signal isn't _all_ "picture". Some of it is what's called "porch" areas, where nothing's actually goin gon |
| 00:17.32 | Dagmar | Like, "____------------------------------------____" is one raster line, and the "-" are where there's "picture" and the "_" are where there's "porch" |
| 00:17.39 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 00:17.49 | Dagmar | You can adjust that so it's like "_______________---________________" if you hate your eyes |
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| 00:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:18.36 | Dagmar | That finnish site gives you boxes to just fill in porch values with |
| 00:20.43 | Thunder_Child | i hate your eyes Dagmar |
| 00:21.05 | Thunder_Child | (just filling in for Fisker-) |
| 00:21.09 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Well, squeezing the "meaningful" part of the signal like that will make image quality suck is what I was saying |
| 00:21.45 | Dagmar | Might be the display is looking for the edges and auto-calibrating itself, which will make this futile |
| 00:21.56 | cog|book | WTF |
| 00:22.01 | cog|book | now they postwiped me... |
| 00:22.02 | Dagmar | ...some some guy with that display thinks that modeline works right so they're probably the right values |
| 00:22.15 | cog|book | i could understand the ban... |
| 00:22.17 | Dagmar | cog|book: You have uncovered an adminstrative race condition |
| 00:22.17 | cog|book | but postwipe?! |
| 00:22.34 | Dagmar | You're no longer a green, but you have access to editing green posts. |
| 00:24.00 | Dagmar | Someone probably didn't want to have to sort through to delete just the green posts |
| 00:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | wowreportedpost@! |
| 00:28.16 | cog|book | fucking hell. blizzard can suck it. if it weren't for the book i would've canceled my sub weeks ago. |
| 00:28.29 | NightHawkTheSane | You know, I love the stranger. and Dan Savage is pretty awesome.. but it really -is- a bit of a stretch to link to notalwaysright in your crusade for gay rights.. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/04/02/today-in-traditional-marriage |
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| 00:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|book: curious, what does your ban message say? |
| 00:32.14 | Shefki | He posted it. |
| 00:33.04 | cog|book | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/b&.jpg |
| 00:33.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like a template |
| 00:33.55 | cog|book | the e-mail i got was personally from zarhym |
| 00:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 00:34.10 | cog|book | posted it on pastey earlier |
| 00:34.17 | WobWork | hm, anyone know where to look to decompile python bytecode? |
| 00:34.35 | mikma | cog|book: well, can we see it, if possible? |
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| 00:34.59 | cog|book | mikma: me finding it in my scrollback would be no quicker than you finding it :P |
| 00:35.11 | WobWork | cog|book: You got banned for -that- post? |
| 00:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: it was in green text |
| 00:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | also http://pastey.net/111539-40o2 |
| 00:35.27 | WobWork | ah |
| 00:35.31 | Dagmar | WobWork: You have two choices. http://www.crazy-compilers.com/decompyle/ or http://www.amazon.com/Necronomicon-Wanderings-Alhazred-Donald-Tyson/dp/0738706272/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238718919&sr=8-1 |
| 00:35.32 | cog|book | ty ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:35.32 | mikma | cog|book: http://pastey.net/111539-40o2 |
| 00:36.00 | WobWork | Dagmar: I'm decompiling Python. |
| 00:36.03 | WobWork | Not Perl =) |
| 00:36.16 | Dagmar | Neither one of those is for Perl |
| 00:36.22 | WobWork | I know =P |
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| 00:37.04 | mikma | cog|book: seriously, that blows |
| 00:37.07 | Ackis | alert: I bitched and whined and got my own way |
| 00:37.08 | Dagmar | Perl coders know better than to try to reverse-engineer interpreted bytecode |
| 00:37.23 | WobWork | hm, not cheap |
| 00:37.26 | bleeter | so erm |
| 00:37.28 | bleeter | is it just me |
| 00:37.42 | bleeter | or does worldofwarcraft.com fail spectacularly if you turn off javascript |
| 00:37.51 | bleeter | and by spectacularly.. I mean... legendary fail |
| 00:38.16 | bleeter | in FF... about to check IE |
| 00:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | At least they were kind enough to write a personal e-mail about it |
| 00:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I guess? |
| 00:39.03 | mikma | yeah |
| 00:39.13 | mikma | i just thought about the same, glad they had the balls to explain it |
| 00:39.19 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
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| 00:40.26 | bleeter | anyone? |
| 00:40.29 | bleeter | kicks his FF |
| 00:41.31 | Ackis | eh so they're giving the account a final warning for something on the forums? |
| 00:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 00:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | look at the screenshot |
| 00:43.15 | bleeter | tests to see if this thing's on |
| 00:43.15 | Ackis | yah I did |
| 00:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | "of your posting privileges" |
| 00:43.15 | Ackis | but the pastey said 1 week suspension and final warning |
| 00:43.49 | Ackis | i'm confused, afk fapping |
| 00:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
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| 00:45.20 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.50 | bleeter | goes back to trying to get worldofwarcraft.com to work in FF w/o javascript |
| 00:46.16 | mikma | bleeter: forcing him to transfer? |
| 00:46.29 | bleeter | moving toons to a new account erases previous account actions |
| 00:46.38 | bleeter | or so they say except for the most extreme cases |
| 00:46.49 | bleeter | so it's how to get 'off' the final warning |
| 00:47.13 | mikma | riiiight |
| 00:47.20 | mikma | that transfer :P |
| 00:48.16 | Dagmar | bleeter: When did final warnings become scoped to all incidents |
| 00:48.19 | bleeter | Dear Cogwheel, our forum software is crap for 'tracking' your green status. you are responsible for knowing all our bugs. gg & lol2bU |
| 00:48.36 | Dagmar | Looked to me like they were saying "Don't go editing any of your former green posts like that again or it's the axe for yas" |
| 00:48.57 | bleeter | Dagmar: Mate, I used to have a grip on policy and stuff, then they started allowing people to buy virtual items from others for real $$ /shrug |
| 00:49.15 | Dagmar | They started allowing that when |
| 00:49.21 | Ackis | the TCG items |
| 00:49.28 | bleeter | and before, afaik |
| 00:49.34 | Dagmar | The TCG items are a) beyond their control and b) largely crap anyway |
| 00:49.43 | Ackis | Dagmar: spectral tiger? |
| 00:49.48 | WobWork | SPECTRAL TIGER! |
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| 00:49.57 | WobWork | even Vin Diesel was impressed by that =) |
| 00:49.59 | Dagmar | Mechgineer's Chopper |
| 00:50.12 | Ackis | what's going to be interesting is when they ban someone who bought a spectral tiger and his rich daddy sues them |
| 00:50.16 | mikma | wobwork: lol diesel |
| 00:51.04 | Dagmar | besides which, the TCG maker is selling those cards to begin with |
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| 00:51.46 | Ackis | can some yank tell me how much postage is to send a letter to canada? 72 cents still i hope? |
| 00:54.41 | Jamash | 94 cents according to usps.gov |
| 00:54.57 | Ackis | :O |
| 00:55.14 | bleeter | ohh so it's not lack of JS that's causing worldofwarcraft.com to fail, it's only 'banning JS via NoScript' addon that's causing it to fail... roflz |
| 00:55.26 | Jamash | wait, that's wrong |
| 00:55.40 | Jamash | how did I get it set to united arab emirates |
| 00:55.50 | Jamash | curse you, alphabetical order |
| 00:56.04 | Ackis | lol I was looking but couldn't find anything for normal postage |
| 00:56.28 | Jamash | yeah, 72 cents |
| 00:56.45 | Ackis | ty Jamash, can you give me the link please? |
| 00:56.52 | Jamash | http://ircalc.usps.gov/IntlMailServices.aspx?Country=10054&M=1&P=0&O=1 |
| 00:57.20 | Ackis | wtf the one i looked at was the same except no letter |
| 00:57.43 | Jamash | did you accept the default weight? it sets it to 1lb |
| 00:57.57 | Ackis | i changed it to something like 6 ounces, that sounded small |
| 00:58.01 | Jamash | I set 0lb 1oz |
| 00:58.17 | Jamash | 6 ounces it a pretty heavy letter |
| 00:58.30 | Ackis | i dunno, i use grams |
| 00:58.39 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM is a pretty heavy letter |
| 00:58.42 | MentalPower | Any Mac folk that have figured out a way to have audio/video conversations with contacts that use MSN? |
| 00:58.51 | Ackis | 6 ounces is like a small steak here |
| 00:58.59 | Jamash | MentalPower: Tell them to stop using MSN |
| 00:59.02 | NightHawkTheSane | MentalPower: convince them to not use msn |
| 00:59.06 | NightHawkTheSane | high fives Jamash |
| 00:59.11 | MentalPower | not really an option :) |
| 00:59.24 | MentalPower | I can really have them all get macs :) |
| 00:59.30 | MentalPower | can't* |
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| 00:59.51 | Jamash | I just spent about half an hour trying to find whether there's a better cross-platform gui IRC client than Chatzilla |
| 00:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | no one said they had to be on mac, im pretty sure tehre are other video chat options |
| 01:00.14 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 xchat |
| 01:00.18 | MentalPower | iChat is the only one that works on a mac |
| 01:00.33 | MentalPower | (with video chat capabilities) |
| 01:00.50 | Jamash | is on a mac due to his PC's power supply failing. |
| 01:00.50 | MentalPower | afaik |
| 01:01.02 | Ackis | macs are good... PAPERWEIGHTS hahahaha |
| 01:01.12 | Thunder_Child | i wish naxx's exteral volume mached the internal volume |
| 01:01.16 | MentalPower | ~lart Ackis |
| 01:01.16 | purl | gives Ackis a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 01:01.24 | MentalPower | wohoo! |
| 01:01.28 | WobWork | score! |
| 01:01.37 | Jamash | have you tried Google Video Chat thingy |
| 01:01.38 | ckknight | Ackis: hurtful |
| 01:01.38 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 01:01.38 | purl | aw, gee, MentalPower |
| 01:01.39 | WobWork | "free" as in Mortgage! |
| 01:01.57 | Ackis | ckknight: don't tell me you're a mac user too |
| 01:02.05 | ckknight | you know that I am |
| 01:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | MentalPower: hmm.. maybe this? http://mercury.im/ |
| 01:02.17 | MentalPower | Jamash: hmm... hadn't remembered that, lets see how well it works |
| 01:02.23 | ckknight | been using macs for like, two years or so now |
| 01:02.27 | NightHawkTheSane | a quick google turned that up on macosxhints.com |
| 01:02.40 | WobWork | Dagmar: btw, I found http://depython.net/ |
| 01:02.47 | Ackis | oh |
| 01:02.54 | WobWork | Dagmar: not sure of their rates though |
| 01:03.17 | bleeter | meh, I wouldn't worry about some scrub community manager. after all, look how well the Oceanic community is managed by them: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903830933&pageNo=1&sid=1#17 ... wait.. presumptuous, moi?? LOLZORPEWPEW ffs |
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| 01:06.33 | WobWork | bleeter: maybe we get the interns |
| 01:06.58 | bleeter | WobWork: s/interns/fuckheads/ |
| 01:07.15 | WobWork | aren't they interchangable? |
| 01:07.37 | bleeter | is 'fuckhead' a job title or description? |
| 01:07.53 | bleeter | bah I promised I'd stop swearing |
| 01:07.57 | bleeter | so hard |
| 01:08.08 | bleeter | bleedin enAU_TAS bleedin |
| 01:11.01 | Jamash | tasmania? |
| 01:13.04 | Ackis | hey |
| 01:13.08 | Ackis | ckknight |
| 01:13.13 | Ackis | why did the golfer have 2 pairs of pants |
| 01:13.23 | ckknight | why, Ackis? |
| 01:13.30 | Ackis | in case he got a hole in one |
| 01:13.31 | Thunder_Child | cuse he got a hole in one? |
| 01:13.39 | Thunder_Child | meh, fail |
| 01:13.42 | Ackis | lol |
| 01:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | MentalPower: also, maybe skype? |
| 01:14.38 | Cairenn | huh, this looks kinda interesting: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/vzhub/overview.jsp |
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| 01:15.11 | cog|book | bleeter: http://pastey.net/111554 |
| 01:15.55 | Thunder_Child | only $200 Cairenn!!!!! |
| 01:18.35 | ScytheBlade1 | about time they innovated home phones though |
| 01:18.40 | ScytheBlade1 | even a little |
| 01:19.10 | ckknight | my home phone is pretty innovative |
| 01:19.15 | ckknight | especially since it's my cell phone |
| 01:19.19 | ckknight | I have no use for a land line |
| 01:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, related to wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 01:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time |
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| 01:20.59 | Ackis | ckknight: is it implanted in your butt? |
| 01:21.10 | ckknight | lol wut |
| 01:21.33 | Dagmar | I laugh at the BellSouth salesmen for still using copper wires when they come to my door |
| 01:21.54 | Ackis | a cell phone implanted in your butt |
| 01:21.57 | Ackis | how win would that be? |
| 01:22.10 | Ackis | although it might be hard to fart while on the phone |
| 01:22.18 | Dagmar | Not as much win as say, implanted in your wrist |
| 01:22.24 | bleeter | cog|book: as I've always said, love the code but the company is a big steaming pile of shit |
| 01:22.44 | bleeter | 'Blizzard, the Microsoft of MMORPGs' |
| 01:23.24 | bleeter | 'cept of course I don't like M$'s code |
| 01:23.34 | cog|book | i compartmentalize my feelings about their various divisions ;p |
| 01:23.41 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, you still posting the questionairs? |
| 01:23.46 | ckknight | ? |
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| 01:24.33 | bleeter | cog|book: only division worth giving a damn about is coding. i sure hope as shit they're paying them well. I know from personal experience that after a while even huge sums of $$ didn't stop one from feeling dirty from guild by association with a crap corporate ;) |
| 01:24.44 | bleeter | and even then, only some parts of coding |
| 01:24.44 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, on curse? |
| 01:24.49 | Thunder_Child | curseforge* |
| 01:24.52 | cog|book | bleeter: /window 25 |
| 01:24.52 | bleeter | I think everyone knows which bits I mean =)) |
| 01:24.55 | ckknight | you mean the polls, Thunder_Child? |
| 01:24.56 | cog|book | err. |
| 01:25.04 | Thunder_Child | ya ckknight |
| 01:25.10 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: yea |
| 01:25.12 | cog|book | meh... just Ackis |
| 01:25.20 | cog|book | :P |
| 01:25.21 | ckknight | update it once a week or so |
| 01:25.24 | Thunder_Child | though i just realized it was curseforge and not curse |
| 01:25.26 | Ackis | cog|book: ouch |
| 01:25.31 | cog|book | ZING! |
| 01:25.33 | Thunder_Child | the question would work as well |
| 01:25.41 | Ackis | cog|book: :P |
| 01:25.46 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt* |
| 01:26.24 | cog|fuming | didn't think i'd have to pull out this nick so soon |
| 01:26.24 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: what question is it? |
| 01:26.33 | Cairenn | :( |
| 01:26.53 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, What is the most common thing you do while waiting for a raid to start? |
| 01:27.10 | ckknight | masturbate? |
| 01:27.16 | Thunder_Child | and one of them would have to be masturbating, since i disturv....fuck you |
| 01:27.18 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: google voice is going to be better than that verizon thingy |
| 01:27.32 | bleeter | cog|fuming: fwiw, it's almost worth finding out if forum account actions work per bnet account, or per wow account, just to post 'Zarhym, you're a big fucking turd. Just thought you should know' ;) |
| 01:27.37 | ckknight | gets some marshmellows and uses cog|fuming to warm them up |
| 01:27.50 | cog|fuming | bleeter: i'd rather not sink to their level ;) |
| 01:27.51 | bleeter | coz I dunno if forum actions go to the bnet or wow |
| 01:27.53 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: its bnet account, ask ackis |
| 01:28.04 | Ackis | cog|fuming: if it makes you feel better, i've had posts deleted |
| 01:28.15 | cog|fuming | Ackis: all? |
| 01:28.21 | Ackis | they linked to lemonparty however |
| 01:28.25 | Ackis | cog|fuming no, not all |
| 01:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | .................... lol |
| 01:28.31 | cog|fuming | i've been fully postwieped |
| 01:28.33 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: how ca nI test? |
| 01:28.45 | kd3 | clears his cache and checks again |
| 01:28.45 | ckknight | cog|fuming: seriously? that sucks |
| 01:28.49 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I still love how Blizz make it the account operator's responsibility for everything said.. then make it next to freakin' impossible to find out what's been said on an account (ie, tracking minor's staements) |
| 01:28.49 | ckknight | gives cog|fuming a hug |
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| 01:28.59 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you said when you first merged your 5 accounts that they were all banned didnt you |
| 01:29.13 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: i can't see the forums at all if i'm logged in |
| 01:29.24 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 01:29.26 | cog|fuming | I got the e-mail about the ban and noticed the thread had been deleted. Suits me just fine, i sorta deserved it |
| 01:29.46 | cog|fuming | I responded graciously within minutes |
| 01:29.53 | bleeter | cog|fuming: bollocks. it's blizz's shit forum software that didn't remove Green from your posts |
| 01:29.59 | cog|fuming | and sometime later they postwiped |
| 01:30.00 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: it's not like I'm missing anything |
| 01:30.29 | Cairenn | cog|fuming: if he responds, let us know what he says? if you don't mind .... |
| 01:30.29 | Duman | cograge |
| 01:30.32 | Arrowmaster | blizzards actions since they posted that new policy have been all horible |
| 01:30.58 | cog|fuming | hmm... might've just been everything after a certain date |
| 01:31.01 | cog|fuming | but still.. |
| 01:31.02 | bleeter | I mean ffs.. a green... loses green.. goes and EDITs one of his old green posts.. AND IT KEEPS GREEN |
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| 01:31.44 | Codayus | Mmm, they don't seem to have gone out of their way to smooth any feathers that may have been ruffled by all this, no? |
| 01:31.45 | bleeter | sure, under the rules cog did bad. how they read intent beats the crap outta me |
| 01:31.59 | bleeter | *intent, though, ... |
| 01:32.08 | Arrowmaster | is there an actual rule though? |
| 01:32.15 | malreth | what's new now? |
| 01:32.18 | bleeter | half the time can't even find posts made on your own account |
| 01:32.37 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I think they're making it up as they go along |
| 01:32.54 | Arrowmaster | malreth: cog has been temp banned, final warning'ed, and post wiped |
| 01:32.57 | bleeter | there may be some rule in the green handbook 'when you leave green you're not allowed to edit any past green posts just in case you go bad' |
| 01:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | signs your raid group sucks #742: "It's hard to watch two npcs and heal the entire raid too." >< |
| 01:32.59 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: i have to havea cd-key to log into the battle.net forumz |
| 01:33.04 | cog|fuming | malreth: http://pastey.net/111554 |
| 01:33.45 | Ackis | booooooooooooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 01:34.01 | cog|fuming | on a lighter note, it sure makes the ui policy thread look funny... |
| 01:34.18 | bleeter | cog|fuming: it'll prolly end up like my 'HOW THE FUCK CAN PAYING FOR LOOT BE LEGAL AND ALLOWED???' query to GMs... disappear into the bitbucket of 'oh my we screwed up there if we ignore it it'll go away' |
| 01:34.45 | bleeter | which reminds me... |
| 01:34.57 | bleeter | anyone got a response from wowui@ yet? even an acknowledgement of receipt? |
| 01:35.06 | Ackis | response for what? |
| 01:36.43 | Arrowmaster | so who is going to make a post on the ui policy thread saying that most the thread is unreadable now because all of cogwheels posts were deleted by blizzard |
| 01:36.56 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: like that one? |
| 01:37.18 | Arrowmaster | oh did somebody already make one? |
| 01:37.18 | Codayus | A long LONG time ago, back in Vanilla, Bliz changed how AP buffs (Battle Shout, BoM) affected hunter RAP. When asked why, they claimed it had always worked that way, and when people posted screenshots they deleted threads and banned posters. |
| 01:37.32 | Codayus | Their customer relations has always been a bit ah...rough and ready, IMHO. :-/ |
| 01:37.33 | cog|fuming | O.o |
| 01:37.40 | bleeter | "I think this thread is even more entertaining now that it's missing a whole bunch of posts. " |
| 01:37.59 | bleeter | which is still sailing close to the CoC wind... prolly over the line.. /meh |
| 01:38.37 | bleeter | cog|fuming: they still ain't banned me for the advert in my forum sig block =)) |
| 01:39.01 | bleeter | mind you no one's mailed me in game about it either, so not a very successful advertising campaing there |
| 01:39.13 | bleeter | I AM NOT A MARKETER.. I AM A HUMAN BEING! |
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| 01:42.19 | kd3 | whee, is bnet broken? I can't see the login page |
| 01:44.02 | bleeter | cog|fuming: actually... just check the mail headers. were the mails sent Apr 1st? Maybe it's just a bad Apri Fools joke gone badder |
| 01:44.29 | cog|fuming | bleeter: i was interacting with the forums when it all went down |
| 01:44.46 | cog|fuming | definitely wasn't yesterday |
| 01:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | signs your raid group sucks #743: blaming utter failure on "tinkering with the boss" |
| 01:46.38 | bleeter | cog|fuming: eh, oh well.. just trying to think of some sane, no matter how crazy, reason :P |
| 01:47.46 | bleeter | cog|fuming: seriously, though, it's that kind of attitude displayed by Blizz which drives greyhats to write keyloggers and the like :/ |
| 01:48.03 | bleeter | and the greyhat doesn't even need to be on the receiving end, just observe.. /sigh |
| 01:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man I don't even need a dose of that attitude |
| 01:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I just need to near another four OSX "users" go "MY COMPUTER IS IMMUNE" and I swear I'll be changing that |
| 01:48.52 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I just hold a sledgehammer over their mac and say 'oh yeah immune this, bitches!' and start to swing |
| 01:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | blinnks |
| 01:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | What was I saying? |
| 01:49.40 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: replied ;) and afk for 30-60mins |
| 01:50.03 | bleeter | cog|fuming: can I pre-order your book? the forward better be worth it now! :P |
| 01:50.07 | bleeter | flees |
| 01:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I was thinking the same thing not long ago |
| 01:50.24 | cog|fuming | ScytheBlade1: fuge state? |
| 01:50.37 | mikma | http://fukung.net/v/10420/69e9af6eb02e186456aa058c45ac25fc.jpg |
| 01:50.38 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: I don't know what you're bitching about, I mean, my computer hasn't had a single virus ever. Because OS X is so secure. |
| 01:50.41 | ckknight | <.< |
| 01:50.42 | ckknight | >.> |
| 01:50.46 | ScytheBlade1 | er? @ fuge |
| 01:50.47 | cog|fuming | is slow... that was @ "blinks... what was i saying?" |
| 01:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 01:50.53 | cog|fuming | fugue* |
| 01:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ahh |
| 01:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | yes indeedc |
| 01:51.05 | Arrowmaster | mikma: rofl |
| 01:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | -c |
| 01:51.17 | mikma | arrowmaster: xD |
| 01:51.28 | cog|fuming | haha |
| 01:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: you're exempt from the above, as you are not an ignorant tool who is boasting on WoW general or CSF |
| 01:51.39 | ckknight | blah. |
| 01:51.56 | ckknight | my computer isn't infected because the marketshare isn't there to warrant it being infected |
| 01:52.06 | ckknight | imo |
| 01:53.21 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, my computer isn't infected because i'm not an idiot. |
| 01:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:55.15 | cog|fuming | is intoxicating |
| 01:55.24 | ckknight | cog|fuming: good on ya |
| 01:55.26 | cog|fuming | as in, will soon be intoxicated |
| 01:55.31 | kd3 | go for the good stuff |
| 01:55.39 | NightHawkTheSane | woo! intoxication! |
| 01:55.50 | cog|fuming | goes for the good stuff... and finds an empty bottle QQ |
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| 01:56.09 | cog|fuming | (irl... there's an empty bottle of patron on my desk) |
| 01:56.12 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, go for the cheap stuff when you're angry, imo. |
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| 01:56.16 | cog|fuming | (that was from the UI policy announcement) |
| 01:56.22 | NightHawkTheSane | good stuff doesn't taste as good while mad. |
| 01:56.46 | cog|fuming | NightHawkTheSane: nah... i'm a bit ocd when it comes to savoring nom-y things |
| 01:57.02 | cog|fuming | i take as many sips from a shot of tequila as i do from a glass of wine :P |
| 01:57.41 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough, i suppose. i have a hard time appreciating food/drink if i'm fuming over something else. :P |
| 01:58.09 | cog|fuming | if i drink to get drunk i usually put cheap hard liquor in something |
| 01:58.29 | cog|fuming | or if i'm out of the good stuff... QQ |
| 01:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 02:01.32 | tekkub | so what's cog|fuhlaming! about tonight? |
| 02:01.43 | cog|fuming | http://pastey.net/111554 |
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| 02:02.31 | cog|fuming | aka: scroll up :P |
| 02:03.45 | tekkub | scrolling is for tools |
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| 02:04.09 | tekkub | I can certainly see why they did it, but I'm assuming you've gotten no more feedback from them? |
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| 02:05.17 | cog|fuming | nope. i can see why they banned me. that doesn't bother me in the slightest. |
| 02:05.57 | Codayus | The post wipe is a wee bit over the top though... |
| 02:06.01 | cog|fuming | ^ |
| 02:06.12 | cog|fuming | it happened long after I sent him my response |
| 02:06.37 | ZorbaTHut | cog, wow, blizzard is in serious damage control mode |
| 02:07.01 | Esamynn | I think it's more likely one moderator got a little overzealous |
| 02:07.33 | cog|fuming | the original action was done by zarhym personally |
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| 02:07.51 | cog|fuming | i don't know why another mod would decide to come to an already actioned account and add more "punishment" to it |
| 02:08.00 | Esamynn | neither do I |
| 02:08.07 | Esamynn | have you gotten any word from them since the wipe? |
| 02:08.12 | cog|fuming | nope |
| 02:08.22 | Codayus | And even if they did, that's a pretty bizarre thing to do. |
| 02:08.46 | Codayus | Hard to shake a nagging feeling their might have been an element of vindictiveness, no? :-( |
| 02:08.58 | ZorbaTHut | man, I'm getting more and more certain that I'm done with contributing stuff to Blizzard for free :P |
| 02:09.10 | cog|fuming | bleeter: please don't bring the book into the conversation... |
| 02:09.52 | cogwheel | my dedication to the book is the only thing keeping me going at this point, and Jim is the one who takes the most credit for it |
| 02:10.09 | Esamynn | "Sartharion 10-Man killed with 3 Drakes in 76 Seconds" <-- whoa |
| 02:10.27 | Shefki | cogwheel: So what did they turn your ban into a permanent thing? |
| 02:10.33 | cogwheel | ( bleeter: re: post 2170 in the policy thread) |
| 02:11.08 | cogwheel | Shefki: no. ban's temporary but it's straight to final warning. so if i ever did anything else to violate the CoC i'd be permabanned |
| 02:11.41 | Shefki | cogwheel: I was under the impression removal of all posts was only done if you were permabanned. |
| 02:11.49 | cogwheel | nope |
| 02:11.57 | cogwheel | happened to Neuro a while back too |
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| 02:13.39 | Shefki | Seems to me Blizzard has gone off the deep end. |
| 02:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | or perhaps one part of it |
| 02:14.05 | tekkub | well, they weren't the first ^^ |
| 02:14.07 | cogwheel | a few parts |
| 02:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah, probably a few. |
| 02:14.27 | Shefki | Whatever bucket. :P |
| 02:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I have a hard time believing everyone there is 100% crazy, and on board with it all, though. |
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| 02:14.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i could have phrased that better, but you take my meanign |
| 02:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | goes back to gothik |
| 02:15.20 | Shirik | slow Esamynn is slow |
| 02:15.30 | cogwheel | I'm sure the vast majority of the people there have don't even have awareness let alone a stake in anything going on... |
| 02:15.39 | End | indeed |
| 02:15.40 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: you mean, not everyone there is insane, just the ones that use the forum |
| 02:15.41 | Esamynn | Shirik: hmm? |
| 02:15.45 | tekkub | for obvious reasons |
| 02:15.50 | Shirik | (22:09:55) (+Esamynn) "Sartharion 10-Man killed with 3 Drakes in 76 Seconds" <-- whoa |
| 02:16.01 | Esamynn | well excuuuuse me! :P |
| 02:16.25 | Shirik | :P |
| 02:16.25 | cogwheel | Shirik: did Esamynn tell you about my fail last night? |
| 02:16.33 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:16.34 | Shirik | did you blow yourself up |
| 02:16.35 | Shirik | again? |
| 02:16.37 | cogwheel | no! |
| 02:16.40 | cogwheel | surprisingly |
| 02:16.52 | Shefki | And by going off the deep end I mean going from what seemed like a very friendly and cordial relationship with the UI community to a more advisarial behavior towards us. |
| 02:16.55 | Esamynn | cogwheel: I didn't understand why you kept coming back! |
| 02:16.57 | cogwheel | i kept sneaking by him on trips to the stardock |
| 02:17.04 | cogwheel | i was ... buying stuff... |
| 02:17.12 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:17.13 | cogwheel | you didn't notice i always entered the sector with 0 figs? |
| 02:17.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:17.16 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:17.17 | Shirik | "buying" |
| 02:17.22 | Shirik | woah woah |
| 02:17.23 | Shirik | hold up |
| 02:17.32 | Shirik | so you ran into Esamynn with no defenses? |
| 02:17.35 | cogwheel | so then i'd leave the stardock and esamynn would attack |
| 02:17.36 | Esamynn | cogwheel: and you didn't change where you were buying figs from? |
| 02:17.46 | Esamynn | Shirik: I never got an attack off before he landed :( |
| 02:17.49 | cogwheel | he got me a couple times |
| 02:17.53 | cogwheel | on the way out |
| 02:17.58 | Esamynn | because there is no delay on landing |
| 02:18.00 | Esamynn | only on moving |
| 02:18.01 | cogwheel | once because i didn't have enough fuel |
| 02:18.11 | Codayus | Shefki: My feeling is...this is the way the normal forums have always been run. It's just surprising/saddening to see that UI forums aren't "special". :-/ |
| 02:18.22 | cogwheel | so i switched to my fully-stocked IC |
| 02:18.24 | Esamynn | cogwheel: after the first time, I was bursting my attack command |
| 02:18.30 | cogwheel | and lumbered my way back to the SD |
| 02:18.34 | Esamynn | cogwheel: I had considered writing a script! ;) |
| 02:18.48 | Shefki | Codayus: I understand the normal forums it's filled with a bunch of crappy behavior. |
| 02:19.03 | Shirik | ok so you go to your IC |
| 02:19.05 | Shirik | and go to SD |
| 02:19.06 | cogwheel | after hitting "E" to express warp, i realized i had no idea how to activate my interdictor |
| 02:19.11 | Shefki | Codayus: But in general the UI community avoided petition posts and all the other crap that usually happens. |
| 02:19.12 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:19.19 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:19.23 | cogwheel | i was able to get one good round of figs off before Esamynn fled |
| 02:19.26 | Shefki | Codayus: We expressed our opinions and that was that. |
| 02:19.32 | cogwheel | and i was left there with my head on my keyboard |
| 02:19.34 | Esamynn | cogwheel: I don't think you got a round off on me |
| 02:19.35 | cogwheel | *sigh* |
| 02:19.38 | Esamynn | I got a round off on you ;) |
| 02:19.44 | cogwheel | Esamynn: w/e :P |
| 02:19.52 | Shirik | can't you land though? |
| 02:19.55 | cogwheel | nope |
| 02:19.56 | Shirik | I thought you just can't warp |
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| 02:19.58 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 02:20.24 | Shefki | And the glacial pace of their response to cog editing his post, when a simply turn the green -> white would have resolved the problem. |
| 02:20.26 | Esamynn | I actually screwed up my escape commands |
| 02:20.40 | Esamynn | it was my auto-flee that finally got me out of the SD sector |
| 02:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | green --> white is a per-post setting which is stored when the post is created |
| 02:20.55 | Esamynn | after which I managed to get my t-warp going |
| 02:20.59 | cogwheel | if i had RTFM i would've been able to hold him in place |
| 02:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Not something that they can just push a button and change |
| 02:21.06 | cogwheel | does interdictor prevent TWarp? |
| 02:21.11 | Esamynn | probably |
| 02:21.12 | End | honestly, the moment cog did what he did, they could have/should have just locked the thread and let it disappear |
| 02:21.20 | End | instead of this |
| 02:21.36 | cogwheel | End: it's linked to in a bunch of posts and google results |
| 02:21.45 | cogwheel | so it would never really disappear |
| 02:21.47 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: It has to be just a flag on the post, I can't imagine it'd be hard with their custom forums to turn the flag off. |
| 02:21.51 | ZorbaTHut | end, I thought they *did*, though |
| 02:21.58 | End | they unstickied |
| 02:22.00 | cogwheel | but yeah... they did delete it |
| 02:22.02 | End | but didn't lock it |
| 02:22.06 | ZorbaTHut | ah |
| 02:22.07 | End | or anything else |
| 02:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shefki: ......... unless it isn't even a moderator visible flag. |
| 02:22.12 | End | for a few days at least |
| 02:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | read: unless the only way to change it is to go into the database |
| 02:22.23 | cogwheel | today |
| 02:22.24 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, still, it'd be a 5-minute job for one of their IT dudes to dig into the database and change it |
| 02:22.25 | End | it's deleted now I guess, and now cog is tempbanned |
| 02:22.26 | cogwheel | before the postwipe |
| 02:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | maybe, maybe not |
| 02:22.40 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: They've had enough time to make a freaking DBA do it. Or they could have just deleted that one thread. |
| 02:22.48 | End | well, if I had to guess though |
| 02:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And in any case they can count the times they needed to do it, and I'm pretty sure as of today that count is 1 |
| 02:23.00 | cogwheel | hell, they could've edited the post |
| 02:23.04 | End | they deleted all posts to get rid of any posts that might be green |
| 02:23.32 | cogwheel | "<Removed objectionable content>\n\n[Edited by: Zarhym]" |
| 02:23.37 | cogwheel | *shrug* |
| 02:23.50 | cogwheel | End: yeah, but to what end? |
| 02:24.00 | cogwheel | none of my other posts had what they were mad about |
| 02:24.20 | cogwheel | and they had no reason to believe i would change that fact |
| 02:24.23 | End | they didn't bother looking I guess :P |
| 02:24.25 | Codayus | A post wipe to stop potential future abuses of editing green posts would be even crazier than just post wiping 'cause they hate Cog, IMHO. :-) |
| 02:24.38 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 02:25.13 | Shefki | ZOMG cog is gonna edit posts that are 3 months old, aren't stickied and are on page 135 of the forums.... |
| 02:25.36 | Codayus | And if he DID, well...he's on his final warning. Just ban him then... |
| 02:25.50 | End | and in the middle of the thread! |
| 02:25.53 | Shefki | ZOMG cog is trying to elevate his opnion and raise more attention with his former greenness. |
| 02:26.16 | Shefki | opinion* |
| 02:26.17 | cogwheel | they could've gone straight to permaban and it wouldn't have been as upsetting to postwipe imo |
| 02:26.37 | Codayus | Well, a postwipe harms their forums and the UI community more than banning you would. |
| 02:26.55 | Shefki | Codayus: Pretty sure they do a postwipe on ban though. |
| 02:27.00 | cogwheel | banning me from the forums will likely prove quite beneficial to me. and my wife. and my employer. <.< |
| 02:27.12 | Codayus | Shefki: Not always I don't think. No proof either way. |
| 02:27.18 | Codayus | So you could be right. |
| 02:27.27 | Shefki | Yeah I suppose. |
| 02:27.49 | Shefki | So cog, I'd buy a guard dog to watch your flower beds. |
| 02:27.58 | Shirik | huh? |
| 02:28.09 | Shefki | It's a joke... |
| 02:28.13 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 02:28.22 | cogwheel | Shefki: i have a half chihuahua half poodle... does that count? |
| 02:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | you had to be there, so to speak |
| 02:28.25 | Shefki | Earlier today I said they'd show up and piss in his flower beds next. |
| 02:28.39 | cogwheel | and no flower beds :P |
| 02:28.52 | cogwheel | though i hope they don't pee on my redwood tree... |
| 02:29.05 | Shefki | cogwheel: Umm I guess, I just never want to see a picture of that abomination. |
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| 02:38.50 | Ackis | lua> post = {1,2,3};for i in pairs(post) do print(i) end;post.wipe() |
| 02:38.51 | lua_bot | Ackis: 1, 2, 3, luabot:1: attempt to call field 'wipe' (a nil value) |
| 02:38.54 | Ackis | damnite |
| 02:39.00 | Ackis | you get the joke though :P |
| 02:41.09 | cogwheel | is enableMouse="true" redundant on a Button widget? |
| 02:43.17 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: I think so |
| 02:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know of a good regex builder that doesn't cost $40? :P |
| 02:43.45 | cogwheel | your brain? |
| 02:43.51 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | My brain totally doesn't work |
| 02:44.05 | cogwheel | actually, your brain probably cost your parents quite a bit... |
| 02:44.09 | Revery | it really is worth the time of going to http://www.regular-expressions.info/ and learning for a good week |
| 02:44.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite a bit indeed |
| 02:44.24 | Revery | saves soo much time in the long run |
| 02:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: I found RegExhibit to be not to shabby (osx app) |
| 02:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 02:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Too bad that OSX emulation can be a pain :P |
| 02:50.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, totally not worth it just for that |
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| 02:50.36 | cogwheel | is the ptr being weird for anyone? |
| 02:50.42 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, in theory it shouldn't be hard to write a decent javascript version |
| 02:51.54 | cogwheel | nm |
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| 03:04.05 | Sargeras_ | we did Sarth3D 10-man in 75 seconds ;p |
| 03:04.08 | Sargeras_ | new record! |
| 03:04.12 | Sargeras_ | at least until next reset >.> |
| 03:04.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I did your mom in 74 secpmds./ |
| 03:04.24 | NightHawkTheSane | seconds., |
| 03:04.25 | Sargeras_ | oh, and Dolby is THE MAN! |
| 03:04.45 | Sargeras_ | retort: D- |
| 03:05.36 | Thunder_Child | well he is A man...dunno abut THE |
| 03:05.46 | cogwheel | what's the current ptr build? |
| 03:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 9757 |
| 03:06.17 | cogwheel | moos at corruption |
| 03:13.00 | Cairenn | cogwheel: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21290&page=35 |
| 03:14.06 | cogwheel | <3 |
| 03:20.49 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/garfield/2655/20090402.gif |
| 03:21.09 | Shefki | cogwheel: Nice scarlet A. |
| 03:21.18 | cogwheel | :) |
| 03:23.13 | cogwheel | before i switched my wow forum sig in response to the ui policy, the last line used to be <span style="color: red; font-family: Zapfino;">A</span> Only two people ever mentioned catching on :P |
| 03:25.08 | batrick | jnwhiteh: I already wrote a grammar for it if you want it |
| 03:25.16 | batrick | perhaps we could compare |
| 03:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/111560 |
| 03:28.09 | mikma | A for anarchist? |
| 03:28.51 | cogwheel | mikma: http://outcampaign.org/ didn't know if it would be appropriate to make it a link :P |
| 03:28.58 | batrick | jnwhiteh: http://batbytes.com/irc_message.lua |
| 03:29.11 | batrick | It follows the latest client IRC RFC whatever it is |
| 03:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: google 'scarlet letter' |
| 03:30.17 | tekkub | yea that's dumb, who wants to spread atheism when you can spread anarchism? |
| 03:30.26 | Shefki | cogwheel: What's inappropriate about linking to that? |
| 03:30.56 | cogwheel | Shefki: people bitch about anything even remotly relating to something that might be offensive if portrayed in the wrong light |
| 03:31.43 | cogwheel | and i want to stay on wowi's good side :P |
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| 03:31.59 | tekkub | oh come on, go for the second ban |
| 03:32.04 | mikma | don't get it |
| 03:32.05 | tekkub | you know you want to |
| 03:32.09 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: look at Cairenn's avatar. something tells me you'd be fine. :P |
| 03:32.39 | Shefki | cogwheel: You may find this interesting: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008942258_atheists29m.html |
| 03:32.41 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: oh i do. i even have a signed copy. |
| 03:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: ^ |
| 03:33.12 | tekkub | a *well used* signed copy |
| 03:34.26 | Shefki | Poor cog. |
| 03:34.52 | Cairenn | what about my avatar? |
| 03:35.18 | cogwheel | Shefki: oldnews :P it's based on the uk campaign from a few months ago |
| 03:35.45 | cogwheel | http://www.atheistbus.org.uk/ |
| 03:37.18 | cogwheel | Cairenn: "look at Cairenn's avatar." .... "oh i do" |
| 03:37.23 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:38.16 | kd3 | yay signed copies |
| 03:38.25 | kd3 | looks for his blizzcon goodie bag |
| 03:42.55 | NightHawkTheSane | random question.. what do ya'll use for NAS? some home-brew concoction, or any particular product? |
| 03:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I use LAS |
| 03:43.40 | kd3 | if by nas you mean the 1.8TB raid5 in my case... samba to share it to other machines |
| 03:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (Local Attached Storage) |
| 03:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 03:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | P |
| 03:43.59 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
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| 03:44.03 | Thunder_Child | ~swat ScytheBlade1 |
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| 03:44.39 | NightHawkTheSane | well, im mostly looking at a separate machine just for that, so i've been considering an actual NAS solution. Mostly so i can have the files accessible regardess of whether my machines are up or not :P |
| 03:46.53 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: Lots of decent NAS boxes exist, but be careful - consumer grade ones (and even some cheaper SME ones) have wimpy CPUs and will NOT do raid 5 at anything approaching reasonable write speeds. |
| 03:47.23 | Codayus | If your response is "oh, I was gonna do raid 10 anyhow" then don't worry. If you want raid 5, find a benchmark before buying. :-) |
| 03:47.31 | NightHawkTheSane | heh. |
| 03:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I was thinking raid 5, actually. |
| 03:47.57 | Jamash | I built my own raid5 |
| 03:48.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I've been looking at buffalo linkstations.. |
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| 03:48.27 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:49.11 | Jamash | I had an old windows desktop I wasn't using so I installed linux on it and put in a bunch of HDDs |
| 03:49.29 | Jamash | I don't really care about performance, it's mostly a backup server |
| 03:49.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah. I'm also considering putting together a fairly cheap linux box and doing that. *shrug* |
| 03:50.18 | mikma | jamash: please tell us you used old hdd's =D |
| 03:50.42 | Codayus | Things to consider: Power usage/noise/heat. Build it with a cheap core 2 duo and it'll handle everything you throw at it, but... *shrug* |
| 03:51.40 | Codayus | Hot swap bays vs internal drives |
| 03:51.41 | Jamash | mikma: some old, some new, why? |
| 03:52.01 | Codayus | And raid 10 versus raid 5. (I went raid 5 last time. If I had to do it over again, I'd go raid 10) |
| 03:52.12 | Codayus | Oh, and fakeraid versus hardware raid. |
| 03:52.23 | mikma | jamash: because the idea of using old hdd's in a backup server is absolutely hilarious =) |
| 03:52.31 | kd3 | fakeraid... ugh |
| 03:52.39 | kd3 | swallows some bile |
| 03:53.06 | Jamash | mikma: they're raided, if one fails, so what? |
| 03:53.28 | mikma | jamash: then you need to replace it =D |
| 03:53.48 | mikma | good stuff, continue as planned. |
| 03:53.50 | Jamash | mikma: and if I'd bought a new HDD, I'd have spent the same money earlier |
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| 03:54.19 | kd3 | meh, as long as the mtbf > rebuild time... not a big deal |
| 03:56.08 | Codayus | If you want off the shelf "just works", Drobo has a good rep. |
| 03:57.59 | cogwheel | anyone getting "unable to validate game version" on the ptr right now? |
| 03:58.35 | Iriel | Let me check |
| 03:59.04 | Iriel | Downloading update... |
| 03:59.24 | Iriel | Needs to patch me to 9742 (That may be a day or so old) |
| 03:59.32 | kd3 | logged in fine |
| 03:59.48 | kd3 | I'm on build 9757, though |
| 04:00.07 | cogwheel | I can log into wow |
| 04:00.11 | cogwheel | live |
| 04:00.17 | kd3 | what build do you have on the ptr? |
| 04:00.22 | cogwheel | 9757 |
| 04:00.28 | kd3 | hm. odd |
| 04:00.34 | cogwheel | i just reinstalled and repatched |
| 04:00.40 | kd3 | I got in ok. restart the ptr? |
| 04:00.54 | Jamash | updating to 9757 |
| 04:01.18 | cogwheel | kd3: might as well have asked me if my network cable was plugged in :P |
| 04:02.01 | bleeter | cogwheel: is your network cable plugged in? |
| 04:02.10 | Jamash | on both ends? |
| 04:02.16 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 04:02.30 | kd3 | it'd help if the world server was up... |
| 04:02.31 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: the thing with drobo is that the speed is basically limited to firewire/usb speeds, and unless you also get droboshare, it's not ACTUALLY nas |
| 04:02.42 | kd3 | pokes the ptr some more before restarting live-side wow |
| 04:02.49 | Jamash | I love going to fry's and pointing out the wifi extension cables |
| 04:02.59 | cogwheel | grr.. the stuff i'm working on demands 3.1 features :'( |
| 04:03.00 | NightHawkTheSane | (even with droboshare, its still not really NAS) |
| 04:03.03 | cogwheel | guess it's time for a break |
| 04:03.51 | Jamash | so I did some work fixing EditingUI to work with 3.x |
| 04:04.04 | Jamash | and then I found that someone else had already done it |
| 04:04.38 | WobWork | http://www.futilitycloset.com/2007/06/27/a-mathematical-limerick/ |
| 04:05.36 | cogwheel | hmm... ptr has good timing... beloved tv show is recorded enough to eliminate all commercials =D |
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| 04:10.14 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: Isn't it? My bad. |
| 04:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: *shrug* no worries, it's a good suggestion. |
| 04:10.48 | Codayus | Thought droboshare did that. *shrug* Well, my comment stands. Drobo does have a good rep, but if it doesn't solve the problem nevermind. :-) |
| 04:11.28 | Codayus | I'm currently using an old-ish Intel NAS box...uh... SS4000-E. Don't think it's made any more. |
| 04:12.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, Drobo itself is basically firewire/usb connected raid storage. Droboshare fakes real NAS by letting you hookup 1-2 Drobos via firewire/usb to droboshare, which then connects to your network |
| 04:12.09 | Codayus | It's functional, but... 1) Two gigabit ports. It can't do load balancing, fail over, or anything else, and the documentation stresses they need to be plugged into different subnets if you use both at once. WTF... |
| 04:12.57 | NightHawkTheSane | so, if you were to actually care about the thruput or whatever, that connection might be limiting. I'm not sure it'd actually be limiting for what I would use it for, though. |
| 04:13.06 | Codayus | 2) Teeny little ARM CPU + fake raid = 100% CPU usage when you try to write to a raid 5 array and, if your lucky, about 4 MB/s transfer speed. GAH. |
| 04:13.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Which, to be sure, is going to be primarly storage for my media files (movies, music, etc) |
| 04:13.46 | bleeter | kd3: looks like they've fixed up the ability to strip an authenticator from an account. I haven't done much digging, but I suspect it's closed what now with new bnet foo. http://bleeter.pastey.net/111562 |
| 04:14.07 | bleeter | kd3: that text in the pastey indicates how it's now not possible to strip as before |
| 04:14.35 | bleeter | kd3: one could probably still inconvenince a player at login to gain 3 authenticator codes and strip it... but it's a heck of a lot better now than before bnet fer sure |
| 04:14.49 | Iriel | cog|away: I'm able to log in too |
| 04:15.22 | bleeter | kd3: however, the authenticator passwords are still multi-use, and not single use as advertised. got into acct management and game with same authenticator # |
| 04:15.37 | bleeter | kd3: so I get back to the thought there's some big time multiboxer inside blizz, only logical explanation |
| 04:17.22 | bleeter | kd3: hmm probable that people not yet on a bnet merged account are still open to attack the old way |
| 04:18.00 | Codayus | http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/02/our-backup-strategy-inexpensive-nas/ |
| 04:18.21 | Codayus | Nice review, nice discussion in comments. Focused at smallscale datacentre use, but much is applicable for home/home office. |
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| 04:19.27 | Codayus | Note the write speed of a nice blazing 1.81 MB/sec on small files. :-/ |
| 04:20.36 | kd3 | well, that's one hole done |
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| 04:20.54 | kd3 | now if only they'd truly make the "one-time passwords" one-time... |
| 04:21.00 | bleeter | ... |
| 04:21.06 | bleeter | yup |
| 04:21.18 | bleeter | I only wish when they launched AUthenticators, they weren't $100 AUD |
| 04:21.29 | bleeter | then I wouldn't ahve had a friend get one for me, and instead have bought one myself |
| 04:21.33 | bleeter | etc. etc. |
| 04:21.34 | kd3 | ! |
| 04:22.11 | bleeter | kd3: yeah on launch, the shipping for Oceanics from the US store made them like near $100 AUD each.. or $80 or something stupid |
| 04:22.16 | bleeter | sighs |
| 04:22.21 | kd3 | eeouch |
| 04:22.30 | bleeter | they're still something like $35 |
| 04:22.33 | bleeter | now |
| 04:22.37 | bleeter | but it's a lot better |
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| 04:23.17 | bleeter | kd3: sure I'd like it to not be multiple use passwords.. but I'd just be happy with correct wording on the adverts. |
| 04:23.42 | bleeter | kd3: dunno about the US but if they tried to pull that kinda thing over here they'd be dragged before the courts fairly easily |
| 04:23.56 | bleeter | kd3: coca-cola just got done big time for saying coke isn't as fattening as everyone thinks |
| 04:24.13 | kd3 | heh |
| 04:25.12 | bleeter | 'COCA-COLA has admitted "myth-busting" ads which claimed its drinks did not "make you fat," "rot your teeth" or were not "packed with caffeine" were false and misleading. ' |
| 04:27.25 | bleeter | and here's the correction they've been forced to run in every place they had the original advert http://makeeverydropmatter.com.au/PDF/Setting%20The%20Record%20Straight%20FINAL%20Advertisement.pdf |
| 04:27.59 | Dagmar | Coke doesn't have enough caffiene in it |
| 04:28.10 | bleeter | ssshhh |
| 04:28.28 | kd3 | eesh |
| 04:28.32 | Dagmar | Thankfully, after striking epic fail territory with not being able to obtain the Nitro Cola recipe, they now make Full Throttle |
| 04:28.33 | kd3 | that's... |
| 04:28.42 | kd3 | that's pretty fail |
| 04:28.53 | Jamash | what the hey, noblegarden got revoked on the PTR |
| 04:29.02 | bleeter | kd3: make a false or misleading advert in .au, expect to get the shit beaten out of you ;) |
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| 04:29.10 | kd3 | new build. they forgot to set the date so it's re-enabled |
| 04:29.14 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: Ping |
| 04:29.26 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: pong |
| 04:29.43 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: PitBull4 doesnt currently have Frame Highlighting for Debuffs, correct? |
| 04:29.49 | Dagmar | Noblegarden isn't on the PTR now anymore? |
| 04:30.01 | Jamash | Dagmar: nope |
| 04:30.05 | Dagmar | Awww... |
| 04:30.10 | Dagmar | I liked the bunnies |
| 04:30.12 | bleeter | kd3: anywyas, fixing that hole is almost enough to make me wanna resub |
| 04:30.34 | kd3 | meh, some of the stunts they've pulled lately is pushing me a lot closer to the cancel button |
| 04:30.41 | bleeter | kd3: tell me, does the PTR play nice on Wine? |
| 04:30.54 | kd3 | spotless |
| 04:31.11 | bleeter | which sound api you using? |
| 04:31.22 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: correct |
| 04:31.33 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: Ok, just checking. Thank you. :) |
| 04:31.39 | kd3 | both alsa/the pulse hack shipped with fedora |
| 04:31.50 | kd3 | depends on whether I'm running 1.1.15 or .18 |
| 04:32.22 | bleeter | kd3: I'm beginning to think my 'pro audio' alsa driver ain't all that pro |
| 04:32.57 | MentalPower | FYI, iPhoto doesn't like it when you try to import 10k+ images at once... |
| 04:33.38 | Jamash | MentalPower: this does not surprise me |
| 04:34.06 | Jamash | Did it kill the app, or the entire OS? |
| 04:34.57 | MentalPower | just the app, actually just one of the apps threads, but that app had a mutex, or semaphore or whatever the hell its called in OSX on the other 20+ threads, so it made the app unresponsive |
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| 04:36.42 | kd3 | oh wow... it has begun. "Robot Makes Scientific Discovery (Mostly) On Its Own" |
| 04:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | cue terrible skynet jokes |
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| 05:06.51 | Lunessa | Wow, I go home for an evening and I miss everything. |
| 05:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:08.05 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, that'l teach you to go home |
| 05:08.09 | Thunder_Child | +l |
| 05:08.28 | Lunessa | ... You know, I think TC deserves |
| 05:08.54 | Lunessa | ~Thunder_Child++ |
| 05:09.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive deffently got the rest of my night planed out, big bang theory season 1 dvds fucking hilarious |
| 05:09.31 | Thunder_Child | i dont understand you Lunessa |
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| 05:09.57 | Lunessa | Bah... karma for you. You got me with a good zinger. |
| 05:10.27 | Thunder_Child | i got that, i mean i dont understand you well enough to know what you like/dislike |
| 05:11.09 | WobWork | Lunessa likes fireside conversations and long walks along the beach... |
| 05:11.44 | Lunessa | Vodka, whiskey, pretty girls, computer code, pretty girls, vodka, pretty girls, computer code |
| 05:11.52 | Thunder_Child | lol WobWork, i was reading from a couple of feet away and i read "...freenode conversations..." |
| 05:12.10 | WobWork | well that too |
| 05:12.34 | Lunessa | science fiction movies and books, irc, pretty girls, vodka, pretty girls. Oh, and did I mention pretty girls? |
| 05:12.40 | WobWork | pretty girls coding while drinking vodka |
| 05:12.48 | Thunder_Child | thats an opnion |
| 05:12.52 | Lunessa | oh man. |
| 05:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | My stupid GM changed the forums from their regular theme to a Hello Kitty theme |
| 05:13.24 | Lunessa | so with the deletion of posts, comes a suspension? |
| 05:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'm spamming the boards with 60kB of "QQ" |
| 05:13.45 | Recompense | Pretty girls are overrated, imo |
| 05:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And no, it was the other way around |
| 05:14.10 | Lunessa | Recompense: Whatever floats your boat man. Pretty girls and vodka float mine. |
| 05:14.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/111554 |
| 05:14.28 | Recompense | Pretty vodka, now there you have a good time |
| 05:17.13 | Lunessa | sbo thanks |
| 05:17.39 | Lunessa | Recompense: Hey, pretty vodka means that before too long, all the girls are pretty. |
| 05:17.56 | Recompense | Hahah, yes, perhaps |
| 05:20.31 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 05:23.34 | WobWork | hm |
| 05:23.48 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 05:23.50 | WobWork | I wonder how much vodka you need to float pretty girls -and- Lunessa's boat |
| 05:23.50 | kd3 | blink's broken |
| 05:24.24 | WobWork | quick! gank a mage! |
| 05:24.26 | Lunessa | WobWork: I wonder how much vodka it takes until I'm pretty. |
| 05:24.40 | WobWork | or to make you a girl? |
| 05:25.06 | Recompense | In my experience, vodka doesn't make guys pretty |
| 05:25.28 | Thunder_Child | were you looking at guys like that Recompense? |
| 05:25.35 | WobWork | Recompense: you need more vodka |
| 05:26.01 | Recompense | It's not vodka that does it for me, my spirit of choice is usually rum |
| 05:26.18 | Lunessa | I'm just figuring I should weigh the odds in my favor, that's all. |
| 05:26.53 | Lunessa | Oh, rum is good too. Provided you get the kind that doesn't get sold with a different label for paint-thinner. |
| 05:27.00 | Recompense | Lunessa: It also depends on who's looking at you |
| 05:28.46 | Corrodias | yay rum! :D |
| 05:29.12 | Lunessa | *chuckle* Indeedy. |
| 05:32.22 | WobWork | argh |
| 05:32.40 | WobWork | does anyone have that link to the comic about how Pixar and Dreamworks generate their ideas? |
| 05:33.23 | WobWork | aha http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3398960470_05527c04b1_b.jpg |
| 05:36.27 | Lunessa | I'm going to try sleeping. Night. |
| 05:38.27 | tekkub | oh god |
| 05:38.32 | tekkub | the funyuns hit finally |
| 05:38.35 | tekkub | *moan* |
| 05:38.37 | tekkub | *die* |
| 05:40.42 | Recompense | tekkub: Hit what? |
| 05:42.08 | Thunder_Child | his ass |
| 05:42.22 | Thunder_Child | is naxx not considered a "dungeon" |
| 05:43.10 | Recompense | Depends on if you're casual or hardcore |
| 05:43.14 | tekkub | no, not ass yet |
| 05:43.22 | tekkub | whatever it hit, it's unpleasant |
| 05:46.19 | Recompense | Well, has anyone ever thought Funyuns were a good idea? |
| 05:47.02 | tekkub | they taste good! |
| 05:50.56 | Recompense | Do they now? |
| 05:51.08 | Recompense | I've never been curious enough to actually try and eat them... |
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| 05:57.43 | cog|away | did they add function attributes to <Binding> as well as frame scripts? |
| 05:58.02 | Sixen | rawr. |
| 05:58.04 | Sixen | Hai cog |
| 05:58.08 | cog|away | NO U! |
| 05:58.13 | cog|away | :) |
| 05:58.33 | Sixen | =] |
| 06:06.25 | tekkub | deletes all cog's IRC chatter |
| 06:06.31 | DWSR | hehe |
| 06:06.36 | Sixen | ouch |
| 06:06.37 | DWSR | tekkub: How's it going? |
| 06:06.49 | tekkub | eh, mild boredom |
| 06:08.33 | DWSR | indeed |
| 06:08.35 | DWSR | I'm PvPing atm |
| 06:08.39 | DWSR | Actually decent AB for a change. |
| 06:08.43 | DWSR | Difference is 10 resources |
| 06:11.55 | DWSR | Ah, allies won by 70 resources. |
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| 06:16.20 | Antiarc | I've crossed a terrible threshold |
| 06:16.30 | Antiarc | My noob priest now has more armor than my BIS rogue |
| 06:17.33 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 06:18.33 | Jamash | haha |
| 06:18.39 | Thunder_Child | noobladi nooblada hey YAAAA, da dadadada da |
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| 06:20.26 | Jamash | So after a terribly long losing streak on raid drops, I finally get a T7 glove token... and the T7 hunter gloves are worse than my current heroic gloves |
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| 06:22.34 | Shirik | Jamash I don't want to hear it |
| 06:22.53 | Shirik | We've been doing sarth 25 for about 4-5 months now I guess |
| 06:23.06 | Shirik | I guess maybe 3-4 |
| 06:23.18 | Shirik | In that time, 3 conqueror tokens have dropped |
| 06:23.20 | Shirik | 3. |
| 06:23.25 | Jamash | ouch |
| 06:24.06 | Fisker- | i feel you Shirik :( |
| 06:24.15 | Fisker- | I just only got my T7 gloves a couple of week ago |
| 06:24.32 | Shirik | I got my T7.5 gloves finally 2 weeks ago |
| 06:24.57 | Fisker- | Got Obsidian Greathelm yesterday though :P |
| 06:28.00 | Torhal | Here's a surprise: Rivendare's mount didn't drop. |
| 06:32.04 | Shirik | Anyone know a good language in which to design Lua? |
| 06:32.14 | Shirik | I was thinking about UML but Lua isn't really natively OO |
| 06:32.18 | Shirik | so it seems a bit odd |
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| 06:38.24 | tekkub | loluml |
| 06:38.34 | tekkub | Shirik finally lost it |
| 06:38.43 | Shirik | eh |
| 06:38.52 | Shirik | comes from being in a software engineering program |
| 06:38.59 | tekkub | yes, it does |
| 06:39.34 | Jamash | I design my Lua in Lua |
| 06:39.44 | tekkub | I design my lua in my brain |
| 06:39.56 | tekkub | then transcribe it into the computer and debug ^^ |
| 06:40.27 | Thunder_Child | i design lua in someone elses brain and make them do all my work |
| 06:40.35 | zenzio | I don't design, I destroy |
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| 06:40.44 | tekkub | the code is already on the hard drive, I just have to chisel away the extra bits |
| 06:40.58 | Jamash | so someone was working on a WoW UI designer studio thingy as an external app |
| 06:41.00 | Shirik | for something as complex as what I'm about to do, I'm very scared about trying to start it without a basic design first |
| 06:41.17 | Jamash | are there any such projects that would run *within* wow? |
| 06:42.01 | nevcairiel | I'm sure shirik can come up with one |
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| 06:42.02 | Jamash | Shirik: what are you about to o? |
| 06:42.13 | tekkub | there is a little frame modifier addon thing from blizzy, but it kinda sucks |
| 06:42.47 | Shirik | Jamash: If I tried to explain all of what we want to do, it would take me forever. But suffice to say, it's a guild-specific addon for handling all of the management associated with raiding |
| 06:43.07 | msou| | if the addon isn't visible it means I have misplaced or did something wrong right? yet it was under injterface/addons |
| 06:43.12 | msou| | mac version |
| 06:43.26 | Jamash | tekkub: I know, I just updated it for Wrath and am considering turning it into something greater |
| 06:43.48 | msou| | auctioneersuite addon |
| 06:44.13 | Jamash | msou|: did you unzip it? |
| 06:44.14 | Elkano | hmm... anyone else got an almost empty mail from Newsletter@email.blizzard.com ? |
| 06:44.36 | nevcairiel | not me |
| 06:44.44 | msou| | Jamash: d/led it, opened it and dragged the folder to interface/addons folder |
| 06:45.24 | Jamash | msou|: do you have one Auctioneer Suite folder in addons, or a bunch of little folders with names like AucSomething? |
| 06:45.27 | tekkub | msou|: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=install#faq_install_doesntwork |
| 06:45.41 | msou| | Jamash: auctioneer suite |
| 06:46.06 | Jamash | msou|: Drag all the folders out of Auctioneer Suite into addons/ and delete the empty Auctioneer Suite folder after you're done |
| 06:46.09 | msou| | tekkub: yeah googled and looked at it |
| 06:46.51 | msou| | Jamash: there are like 16 folders |
| 06:47.13 | Jamash | msou|: correct |
| 06:47.23 | Jamash | drag them all into AddOns/ |
| 06:47.36 | msou| | will do, though didn't have to do so with QH :) |
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| 06:51.14 | msou| | !swatter, auc-advanced, auc-filter-basic, auc-scandata, auc-stat-classic, auc-stat-histogram, auc-stat-ilevel, auc-star-purchased, auc-stat-simple, auc-stat-stddev, bean counter, enchantrix, enchantrix-barker, informat, slidebar and stubby |
| 06:52.07 | Thunder_Child | i hate aucs desp sometimes |
| 06:52.11 | Thunder_Child | deps* |
| 06:54.43 | msou| | is there any differences between the two addons, once have the entire folder under addons the other have to copy/paste all folders under addons? |
| 06:55.39 | Elkano | hmm... nevcairiel, looking at the wow-europe forums it seems like I'm not the only one that got the mail |
| 06:56.03 | zenzio | which mail? |
| 06:56.11 | Cairenn | Elkano: ^^ |
| 06:58.29 | Cairenn | oh, nm |
| 06:58.58 | Cairenn | thought maybe you'd gotten a response from WoWUI@blizzard.com |
| 06:59.12 | Cairenn | has /anyone/ gotten a response from that addy yet? |
| 07:00.18 | tekkub | I sure as hell haven't |
| 07:00.38 | Cairenn | did you send one /to/ that address? |
| 07:01.04 | tekkub | I ratted out some paid guide that's using TG... they tried to make it look like they were complying without releasing their guide data addons for free |
| 07:01.15 | Cairenn | ah |
| 07:01.25 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 07:01.47 | foxlit | Wait, you can do that? "Hand over the license to your data!" |
| 07:02.17 | tekkub | it has to be wrapped in an addon for it to be of any value |
| 07:02.29 | tekkub | and thus it falls under the policy :P |
| 07:02.33 | nevcairiel | Hm the UI diff was suprisingly small on todays patch, i guess they are really ready for release by now |
| 07:02.54 | tekkub | "they" being the UI team? |
| 07:03.05 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 07:03.17 | nevcairiel | you always notice when the diffs get smaller, they are done with their changes |
| 07:03.24 | nevcairiel | and usually that means the whole team is nearly done |
| 07:03.43 | Cairenn | tekkub: they were using your TG to sell their guide? |
| 07:03.55 | Cairenn | I presume you were all over them like white on rice |
| 07:04.10 | tekkub | they had a modified version of the base addon up, which I've already bitched at them about.. |
| 07:04.22 | tekkub | but not the guide data addons |
| 07:04.39 | tekkub | which I REPORTED! |
| 07:04.42 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 07:04.47 | foxlit | Next step: ship SVs rather than addons |
| 07:06.37 | tekkub | nah, next step: addon channel delivery of data... only provided to paying users who log on to your server and join a party with you |
| 07:07.22 | foxlit | meh, that's against the policy as well |
| 07:07.30 | tekkub | is it? |
| 07:07.36 | foxlit | excessive data transfer |
| 07:07.57 | tekkub | well, assuming it's guide data yea |
| 07:08.13 | tekkub | granted, there's nothing else people try to protect really |
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| 07:09.51 | foxlit | sighs |
| 07:09.58 | foxlit | "webcam" "capture" "java" "mac" |
| 07:10.12 | Fisker- | they already announced when it's going to be released nevcairiel |
| 07:10.13 | tekkub | who the hell uses webcams? |
| 07:10.14 | foxlit | no matter how you arrange those four words, it only leads to pain :( |
| 07:10.26 | tekkub | besides nerd voyeurs? |
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| 07:12.01 | foxlit | I want to. Actually, I just want a static-image capture device. |
| 07:12.27 | foxlit | (something to do with simplifying data input by allowing you to take a picture of it) |
| 07:13.54 | Thunder_Child | wtf has wow froze 4 times tonight???? |
| 07:14.05 | tekkub | except you can't get the "simplifying" step right? |
| 07:14.13 | Thunder_Child | 3 durning boss fights ofc |
| 07:14.32 | tekkub | Thunder_Child: I've had wow randomly freezing on me too... eusually when I change (sub)zones |
| 07:14.38 | foxlit | well, it'd be a simplification if it actually worked! |
| 07:14.39 | Torhal | tekkub: The new policy explicitly forbids charging for "services related to" an AddOn, which that would fall under. So would charging for tech support. |
| 07:15.02 | foxlit | [a one-time cost in development time < linear costs of data entry] |
| 07:15.03 | tekkub | yea yea, and escort services aren't hookers :P |
| 07:15.10 | Torhal | tekkub: Exactly! |
| 07:15.12 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:16.06 | Torhal | Cairenn: There _is_ brown rice, you know. |
| 07:16.15 | Cairenn | Torhal: I know |
| 07:16.26 | Cairenn | you've never heard that expression before? |
| 07:16.35 | tekkub | <insert black-asian joke here> |
| 07:16.49 | Torhal | Cairenn: I was actually mildly surprised that someone from Canada knew it...I'd only ever heard it where I'm from :) |
| 07:16.59 | Cairenn | which is where? |
| 07:16.59 | Torhal | Thene agin, this is the age of no informational boundaries. |
| 07:17.10 | Torhal | Ohio |
| 07:17.43 | Torhal | Though I'm curious: In your region of Canada, is it called "pop" or "soda"? :D |
| 07:17.49 | Cairenn | I drink pop |
| 07:17.54 | Torhal | Wewt. |
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| 07:18.41 | tekkub | I drink carbonated fluids |
| 07:18.46 | Torhal | I've lived in a few different US regions, and it seems that in the South and in New England it's "soda", but in the Mid-west and along the southeast coastline it's "pop" |
| 07:19.31 | Torhal | tekkub: I thought you drank awesomesauce with a chaser of STFU, |
| 07:19.33 | Fisker- | roars |
| 07:19.52 | tekkub | the south is all weird, they don't count :P |
| 07:20.14 | Torhal | tekkub: Yah, they also call it "Coke" (regardless of brand) or a "cold drink". |
| 07:20.28 | tekkub | yup, Trey does that all the fucking time |
| 07:20.34 | tekkub | and he doesn't like Coke |
| 07:20.35 | Torhal | And they put peanuts in Pepsi/Coca-Cola |
| 07:20.48 | tekkub | peanuts in soda is kinda good actually |
| 07:20.54 | Torhal | I'd never tried it. |
| 07:20.56 | tekkub | great use for flat mtn dew |
| 07:20.59 | Cairenn | I've heard about that ... "what do you want to drink?" "oh, I'll have a coke, make it a sprite" |
| 07:21.01 | Torhal | Heh |
| 07:21.04 | tekkub | since it otherwise tastes like ass |
| 07:21.06 | Torhal | Cairenn: Heh |
| 07:21.25 | zenzio | Cairenn: I always thought people who said that had just changed their minds o_O |
| 07:21.26 | Cairenn | I have a hard time believing it, that's just so weird |
| 07:21.28 | tekkub | and then when you're done drinkingit, you can eat the nuts :) |
| 07:22.00 | Wobin_ | I drink 'soft drink' |
| 07:22.09 | Wobin_ | or just the name of the drink itself |
| 07:22.51 | zenzio | I mostly stick to the name of the drink |
| 07:22.54 | zenzio | avoids any confusion |
| 07:23.02 | Cairenn | same |
| 07:23.05 | Cairenn | usually |
| 07:23.28 | wobin | except in the cases above =) |
| 07:23.29 | Torhal | Cairenn: I was wondering if it would be possible to sticky some general guidelines, such as "Your OS does not matter when posting AddOn bugs. Therefore, Macintosh does not matter." and "Expecting help is beyond the scope of people in general, therefore 'Thanks in advance.' is actually insulting." |
| 07:23.32 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 07:23.48 | Cairenn | Torhal: where? |
| 07:24.05 | tekkub | I like asking for "artificially flavored partially hydrogenated gum-based beverage" a the drive through |
| 07:24.15 | Cairenn | tekkub: rofl |
| 07:24.25 | Torhal | Cairenn: Dunno, just general observations I've made on several different forums. I see that stuff constantly and it irks me. |
| 07:24.30 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:24.54 | foxlit | Torhal: I'm afraid you have a bug. :) |
| 07:24.54 | tekkub | huzzah, the odd bug in the hover driver is fixed |
| 07:24.56 | Torhal | "Thanks in advance." has to be the worst, though. It's like saying "Since I said that, you're obliged to help me." |
| 07:25.00 | tekkub | where's that bitch Iriel |
| 07:25.10 | Torhal | foxlit: Eh? |
| 07:25.17 | Cairenn | sleeping, I'd imagine |
| 07:25.19 | foxlit | "stuff constantly and it irks me" |
| 07:25.23 | foxlit | That can't be by design. |
| 07:25.29 | tekkub | Torhal: that's why you give a bad reply, it becomes "thanks for nothing in advance" |
| 07:25.38 | Torhal | tekkub: Heh |
| 07:26.09 | Torhal | foxlit: Goddamn it, now I have to file a ticket with my parents. |
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| 07:27.09 | foxlit | sees a mildly inappropriate joke here. |
| 07:27.24 | Cairenn | anyone want a brain? |
| 07:27.35 | Torhal | Cairenn: Used, or refurbished? |
| 07:27.37 | foxlit | Cairenn: do those make good pets? |
| 07:27.41 | tekkub | male or female? |
| 07:27.44 | tekkub | also, human? |
| 07:27.47 | Torhal | tekkub: Score! |
| 07:27.48 | Cairenn | infested |
| 07:28.01 | Cairenn | it's full of migraines |
| 07:28.13 | tekkub | I already have defective eyes |
| 07:28.19 | tekkub | I don't need something else to repair |
| 07:28.30 | tekkub | speaking of... medically necessary contacts! |
| 07:28.39 | Torhal | tekkub: Could you, perhaps, code an eyeball-repair AddOn? I need one of those. |
| 07:28.42 | tekkub | I might actually get my depth perception back |
| 07:28.51 | Cairenn | tekkub: cool! |
| 07:29.03 | tekkub | and be able to focus with my right eye |
| 07:29.06 | Torhal | Not sure of the API for that one, though. |
| 07:29.10 | tekkub | it's gonna be freaky |
| 07:30.02 | tekkub | it's been a good decade since my right eye went to shit, I don't remember what real depth perception is like |
| 07:30.13 | Shirik | takes care of Cairenn |
| 07:30.25 | zenzio | <tekkub> I might actually get my depth perception back <-- then you'll realize how shallow everyone is |
| 07:30.31 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 07:30.53 | tekkub | depth perception, like sarcasm, doesn't come across online |
| 07:31.22 | tekkub | and I swear I'm gonna stab my new mac... ctrl-leftarrow doesn't work correctly in half the damn programs |
| 07:31.38 | Cairenn | :( |
| 07:31.52 | foxlit | move caret one word to the left? |
| 07:31.58 | tekkub | EXACTLY |
| 07:32.09 | foxlit | meh. |
| 07:32.11 | foxlit | spaces, baby! |
| 07:32.12 | tekkub | in limechat here it's cycling through channels |
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| 07:35.29 | tekkub | oh kick ass, the raw ruby files are in the app package |
| 07:35.34 | tekkub | *hacks limechat* |
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| 07:38.51 | tekkub | okey... home/end fixed... sweet |
| 07:38.56 | tekkub | now for ctrl-arrows |
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| 07:47.11 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, in response to eariler, i have had maybe 2 freezes in the lifetime of wow (not crahsings mind you, freezeing) and now 4 in one day? weird |
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| 07:47.33 | tekkub | yea, same here... |
| 07:47.52 | Thunder_Child | maybe a hotfix issue, theu did restart the server today |
| 07:47.53 | tekkub | the only hard freezes before were when I wrote a good ol infiloop |
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| 07:48.06 | tekkub | it's been in the last week or so for me |
| 07:48.26 | tekkub | seems to happen around dalaran or wintergrasp, when flying |
| 07:48.38 | tekkub | but it has happened out in the wild too |
| 07:49.16 | zenzio | TC: when you say "WoW freeze", is it only the WoW executable, or the computer? |
| 07:49.34 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, just exe |
| 07:49.37 | tekkub | just wow |
| 07:49.44 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, mine was all in naxx |
| 07:50.13 | tekkub | the three I can think of were WG, Dalaran, and I think around wyrmrest on raid night |
| 07:50.19 | tekkub | each one flying |
| 07:50.26 | tekkub | brb |
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| 07:51.29 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm9mfnW9lVo |
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| 07:52.06 | tekkub | wooooo! I broke it! |
| 07:52.08 | tekkub | and now it's fixed |
| 07:52.14 | tekkub | god damn I love clear-source software :) |
| 07:52.23 | tekkub | no compiling needed |
| 07:52.52 | foxlit | no live reloading, though. |
| 07:52.54 | foxlit | fail! |
| 07:53.20 | tekkub | 01:53 <Freenode> Error(421): RL Unknown command |
| 07:53.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 07:54.52 | tekkub | shit, ctrl-arrow is opt-arrow on mac? |
| 07:55.05 | tekkub | seriously, why do they have to mix up the damn modifiers? |
| 07:55.37 | tekkub | and don't pull the "it's not windows" shit cause *nix seems to use the same modifiers for most everything |
| 07:56.21 | nevcairiel | because its mac, and macs are weird |
| 07:56.47 | tekkub | mac got so many things right on the keyboard... all the useless keys are gone.. |
| 07:56.54 | tekkub | craps lock is disableable... |
| 07:57.00 | tekkub | and then they fucked the modifiers |
| 07:57.19 | Thunder_Child | no one is perfect |
| 07:58.01 | tekkub | I guess |
| 07:58.15 | tekkub | I'll retrain my fingers after a week or two |
| 07:58.23 | tekkub | guess I'll just think of it like learning dvorak |
| 07:59.11 | zenzio | tekkub: are you new to Macs? |
| 07:59.35 | tekkub | new to using it full time |
| 07:59.54 | tekkub | I dabbled in hackintoshes a bit, but dropped it cause of perpetual beachballing |
| 08:00.15 | zenzio | I went through the whole "why aren't my shortcut keys working?" thing when I was put to coding for the iPhone before christmas :-| |
| 08:00.20 | tekkub | and I am using it beside windows because there's some things (foobar2k) I won't give up |
| 08:00.29 | tekkub | and wow runns a shitload better on my PC |
| 08:01.03 | tekkub | I'm trying to do most everything I can on the mac, but it's been really hard without per-word nav, as stupid as that sounds |
| 08:01.17 | tekkub | when you literally live in a text editor all day, I *need* that |
| 08:01.30 | zenzio | I assume you're on MacOS X? |
| 08:01.42 | tekkub | yea, I bought one of the new minis |
| 08:01.59 | zenzio | you could try configuring the Ctrl key to act as the Command key, would help a couple of the shortcuts... but might not help much |
| 08:02.07 | tekkub | that was the other thing that held me back so long... I won't pay 1k for a damn computer, and the old minis were too outdated for the price |
| 08:02.28 | tekkub | I've actually gotten mostly used to alt/command now |
| 08:03.07 | tekkub | and at first I *hated* that apps don't terminate when you close the last window... the OCD in me cried |
| 08:03.14 | tekkub | but I've kinda come to like it |
| 08:03.23 | tekkub | BAM textmate is open |
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| 08:03.59 | Shirik | ~dryer |
| 08:04.02 | batrick | shh |
| 08:04.23 | tekkub | you know what I do need though |
| 08:04.24 | Fisker- | ~debug.failrik() |
| 08:04.24 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 08:04.28 | tekkub | a good wallpaper |
| 08:04.37 | Shirik | ooh |
| 08:04.40 | Shirik | get a pink one |
| 08:04.40 | tekkub | someone give me something good |
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| 08:04.52 | batrick | no u |
| 08:04.53 | tekkub | I have a brown one now :P |
| 08:05.29 | Shirik | how now brown cow |
| 08:05.33 | tekkub | http://skitch.com/tekkub/bkppr/fullscreen |
| 08:10.31 | jnwhiteh | tekkub: What do you mean per-word nav? |
| 08:11.46 | tekkub | jnwhiteh: well you'r on a mac... pop open textmate or something with a file |
| 08:11.59 | jnwhiteh | if you're talking back/forward words |
| 08:11.59 | tekkub | hold option and hit left and right arrows |
| 08:12.09 | jnwhiteh | that works for me |
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| 08:12.13 | jnwhiteh | in the editors I use |
| 08:12.18 | tekkub | yea, ti's ctrl-arrow on windows |
| 08:12.30 | tekkub | and like half the mac apps ctrl-arrow works |
| 08:12.37 | jnwhiteh | *nod* its per application |
| 08:12.41 | tekkub | I didn't know about opt-arrow |
| 08:12.50 | tekkub | hoping that one's universal |
| 08:13.06 | jnwhiteh | its mostly, yeah |
| 08:13.11 | tekkub | okey |
| 08:13.12 | tekkub | good |
| 08:13.13 | jnwhiteh | I cna't use textmate tho |
| 08:13.14 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 08:13.15 | jnwhiteh | i wish i could |
| 08:13.20 | tekkub | why not? |
| 08:13.20 | jnwhiteh | but it can't undo like a normal fucking ap |
| 08:13.26 | jnwhiteh | has to do this bullshit character-by-character |
| 08:13.28 | jnwhiteh | so I use MacVim |
| 08:13.31 | jnwhiteh | and it makes me happy |
| 08:13.46 | zenzio | one thing I had trouble with on Mac was when I tried doing Shift+Home/End |
| 08:13.55 | wobin | Is that pedobear in disguise? |
| 08:13.56 | tekkub | hrm... I'm honestly not sure how often I use undo in text editor |
| 08:14.13 | Arrowmaster | you fucking bastards pinging me while im watching something |
| 08:14.13 | jnwhiteh | i undo, quite often. |
| 08:14.19 | jnwhiteh | and redo :P |
| 08:14.19 | tekkub | I didn't use TM yet because of the per-word nav shit |
| 08:14.29 | Fisker- | stares seductively at jnwhiteh |
| 08:14.33 | wobin | Arrowmaster: fail at having a name that breaks down into common terms =P |
| 08:14.33 | jnwhiteh | it takes some getting used to |
| 08:14.38 | tekkub | I probably use git-revert more than undo |
| 08:14.38 | jnwhiteh | and wow will suck on a mini due to the gc |
| 08:15.00 | tekkub | actually it didn't do too bad, 60FPS in sexodar |
| 08:15.08 | tekkub | I more fear dalaran on 1GiB of ram |
| 08:15.46 | Thunder_Child | i need to try wow on a touchscreen |
| 08:16.15 | tekkub | ugh, pokecasters |
| 08:16.23 | batrick | clad: scroll up to my reply ^_^ |
| 08:16.26 | tekkub | how would clique work? |
| 08:16.36 | Jamash | you'd poke things |
| 08:16.42 | jnwhiteh | batrick: relative timestamp please? |
| 08:16.47 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, multi-finger maybe |
| 08:17.03 | tekkub | I'll multifinger you |
| 08:17.10 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes you would |
| 08:17.15 | Thunder_Child | but thats not the point |
| 08:17.44 | wobin | addon to automate handing in of runecloth? |
| 08:17.50 | Jamash | autoturnin |
| 08:17.55 | wobin | ta |
| 08:18.03 | tekkub | do it by hand, back in the day I had to |
| 08:18.09 | tekkub | and I EARNED my kitty |
| 08:18.10 | Jamash | recently got exalted with Silvermoon. |
| 08:18.14 | wobin | yada yada |
| 08:18.15 | wobin | so did I |
| 08:18.19 | wobin | screw that |
| 08:18.55 | wobin | So |
| 08:19.03 | wobin | I will soon have $900 |
| 08:19.08 | wobin | of RuddMoney |
| 08:19.12 | Jamash | I did thorium brotherhood turnins back in the day |
| 08:19.20 | Jamash | so much pain |
| 08:19.46 | wobin | What should I spend it on? |
| 08:20.46 | jnwhiteh | batrick: does it handle freenode hostmasks properly? |
| 08:20.56 | Jamash | wtf is ruddmoney |
| 08:20.59 | batrick | Not sure about that, haven't actually tested it |
| 08:21.18 | batrick | had to stop working on it when school work piled up |
| 08:21.39 | jnwhiteh | checks |
| 08:21.44 | batrick | It implements the latest client IRC BNF grammar to the letter, which may be bad or good |
| 08:21.56 | wobin | It's money the government is giving us to stimulate economic growth |
| 08:22.32 | Jamash | oh |
| 08:22.41 | Jamash | you should donate it to me so I can work on my addon |
| 08:22.55 | wobin | That won't stimulate the economy |
| 08:23.01 | wobin | unless you move to Australia |
| 08:23.02 | Thunder_Child | wobin, blizzcon! |
| 08:23.16 | Jamash | ^ |
| 08:23.19 | jnwhiteh | batrick: it doesn't appear to parse any actual messages |
| 08:23.22 | wobin | That's also not going to stimulate the australian economy =() |
| 08:23.42 | wobin | of course, aside from that, I would never go to Blizzcon =P |
| 08:23.44 | Thunder_Child | wobin, plane tickets would |
| 08:23.47 | batrick | there are not captures, is it returning nil or what? |
| 08:23.47 | Thunder_Child | i assume |
| 08:23.51 | wobin | true |
| 08:23.54 | jnwhiteh | batrick: well, it gets PING anthony.freenode.net |
| 08:24.04 | Jamash | why wouldn't you go to blizzcon? |
| 08:24.20 | jnwhiteh | but not the others, likely due to the reason I ran into |
| 08:25.00 | wobin | Jamash: no desire to |
| 08:25.15 | Fisker- | soothes wobin |
| 08:25.22 | Fisker- | I thought you were an aussie btw? |
| 08:25.39 | wobin | I am |
| 08:25.48 | Fisker- | wouldn't it be kinda expensive as well then? :P |
| 08:26.00 | wobin | yeh =) |
| 08:26.14 | wobin | costs a lot of money to get anywhere overseas |
| 08:26.21 | batrick | jnwhiteh: what's wrong with freenode masks? |
| 08:26.35 | Thunder_Child | wobin, ok, scubadiving in the reef? |
| 08:26.42 | Jamash | wobin: that's a boring reason |
| 08:26.46 | jnwhiteh | for one, they didn't fit into the RFC I was using |
| 08:26.54 | wobin | Where is Blizzcon being held? |
| 08:27.02 | jnwhiteh | nor yours |
| 08:27.09 | nevcairiel | anaheim, iirc |
| 08:27.12 | Thunder_Child | wobin, same place as always |
| 08:27.24 | jnwhiteh | jnwhiteh!n=jnwhiteh@WowUIDev/WowI/Features/Dongle/cladhaire |
| 08:27.29 | jnwhiteh | that's obviously not a valid hostaddr |
| 08:28.28 | foxlit | local source, command = data:match("^:(%S+) (.+)$"); |
| 08:28.40 | Fisker- | anaheim is in california btw |
| 08:28.54 | foxlit | I wonder if I just inherited that from Kaso. |
| 08:29.51 | Jamash | is that a lua match expression or a very complicated emoticon? |
| 08:29.59 | batrick | jnwhiteh: is that the only problem really? |
| 08:30.13 | jnwhiteh | batrick: no, yours doesn't parse any prefixc properly that I cna see |
| 08:30.20 | batrick | I think nicknames in the RFC are too short |
| 08:30.45 | jnwhiteh | testing it against all of my examples, it fails on anything with a prefix. |
| 08:30.57 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 08:31.01 | jnwhiteh | with anything with a non-servername prefix |
| 08:31.10 | nevcairiel | didn't the RFC only specify 9 chars for nicknames? or something in that area? |
| 08:31.22 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: yes |
| 08:31.28 | jnwhiteh | so we have to expand on it |
| 08:31.31 | jnwhiteh | but thats not terribly hard |
| 08:31.42 | jnwhiteh | since if the message is sent, I'm bound to respect it :P |
| 08:32.02 | wobin | hm |
| 08:32.02 | jnwhiteh | so changing that, and changing what a "host" is is that start of things |
| 08:32.05 | nevcairiel | Wonder if anyone ever revised the RFC for the more common use these days |
| 08:32.06 | jnwhiteh | although privmgs's may be diff |
| 08:32.10 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: it was in 2000 |
| 08:32.18 | jnwhiteh | updated quite a bit, but not for all the server intricacies |
| 08:33.17 | wobin | Jamash: Well if I catch a single 'sale' flight from syd to LAX, it's 20hrs and $600 |
| 08:33.30 | nevcairiel | I can't even remember when i was writing my last irc bot, its been a long time |
| 08:33.37 | jnwhiteh | batrick: interesting to see two different approaches to the same thing: http://cladhaire.pastey.net/111563 |
| 08:33.48 | jnwhiteh | hehe its been a while for me too |
| 08:33.53 | wobin | normal rates are about 1500 |
| 08:33.55 | jnwhiteh | i ust want to actually get ircbot.lua released |
| 08:34.03 | jnwhiteh | since its a pretty solid moduled |
| 08:34.10 | jnwhiteh | anyone here live in Iceland? |
| 08:34.38 | batrick | jnwhiteh: I tried to strictly adhere to the BNF grammar which may be the problem |
| 08:34.41 | jnwhiteh | tho I need to take that grammar and use variables instead, since its not recursive |
| 08:34.45 | batrick | s/may be/is/ |
| 08:34.56 | jnwhiteh | batrick: aye, that's what I did.. which prompted the issues yesterdasy |
| 08:34.59 | batrick | So I'll have to figure out the differences sometime and correct it |
| 08:35.09 | jnwhiteh | i bet if you look into it the prefix pattern is your problem |
| 08:35.19 | jnwhiteh | i refactored the grammar slightly |
| 08:35.23 | batrick | ya, that's certainly it |
| 08:35.24 | jnwhiteh | and that fixed it |
| 08:35.25 | jnwhiteh | one step |
| 08:35.27 | batrick | that and nick length |
| 08:35.41 | jnwhiteh | I moved the SPACE from message into prefix |
| 08:35.46 | jnwhiteh | since that's actually where it's coming from |
| 08:36.01 | jnwhiteh | and (c(v"servername") * v"SPACE") + ((c(v"nickname") * (v"BANG" * c(v"user"))^-1 * (v"AT" * c(v"host"))^-1) * v"SPACE"), pulls the prefix properly |
| 08:36.32 | jnwhiteh | just gots to change host into hostmask and support hostname, hostaddr, hostmask |
| 08:36.45 | batrick | Why not just put the space similar to what I did? I don't see a functional difference |
| 08:37.05 | batrick | That is, (":" * prefix * space)^-1 |
| 08:37.17 | jnwhiteh | because it doesn't work |
| 08:37.21 | jnwhiteh | which is why yours doesn't work |
| 08:37.25 | jnwhiteh | i'd bet money :P |
| 08:37.29 | batrick | I think I'll end up switching to that table grammar, it looks a lot cleaner |
| 08:37.31 | jnwhiteh | considering i had precisely this issue yesterday |
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| 08:37.52 | jnwhiteh | it ends up matching one of the earlier alternations for msgto |
| 08:37.59 | jnwhiteh | and cascading the fail as a result. |
| 08:40.15 | batrick | Ya there's a couple problems with mine. I'm going to end up redoing it. |
| 08:40.18 | jnwhiteh | I don't currently support wildcards |
| 08:40.22 | jnwhiteh | we should just do one |
| 08:40.24 | jnwhiteh | and have it posted |
| 08:40.28 | jnwhiteh | stupid to do it more than once |
| 08:40.38 | batrick | I did it more for the learning experience ;) |
| 08:40.42 | jnwhiteh | me too |
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| 08:41.00 | batrick | since I didn't really have a project that would immediately benefit from lpeg execept my IRC bot |
| 08:41.11 | batrick | I never was happy with the Lua regex I made for IRC messages |
| 08:41.20 | jnwhiteh | oh, i don't use one :P |
| 08:41.23 | batrick | It had tons of problems server to server |
| 08:41.23 | jnwhiteh | the handler defiens that |
| 08:41.37 | krka | <3 lpeg |
| 08:42.11 | batrick | ya lpeg is so fun |
| 08:43.36 | jnwhiteh | hrm / isn't allowed in special |
| 08:43.36 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
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| 08:45.32 | krka | would be cool if lua would add some new operators such as || |
| 08:45.40 | krka | it would be pretty for lpeg concats |
| 08:45.58 | batrick | why would we need a second logical or operator? |
| 08:46.42 | foxlit | open = "[" * lpeg.Cg(lpeg.P"="^0, "init") * "[" * lpeg.P"\n"^-1 |
| 08:46.48 | foxlit | That is an ABOMINATION |
| 08:47.27 | krka | batrick: i never said logical or |
| 08:47.29 | batrick | I think the most challenging problem I had to solve with lpeg was creating a range for a pattern. |
| 08:47.42 | batrick | pattern^lower^-upper sadly didn't work :( |
| 08:47.44 | tekkub | no this is an abomination: http://i.thottbot.com/ss/s/42496.jpg |
| 08:48.01 | jnwhiteh | batrick: why was lpeg.R("az", "AZ") not enough? |
| 08:48.11 | batrick | krka: || is logical or in C, so why would it be used differently? |
| 08:48.11 | krka | batrick: what about (pattern^lower)^-(upper - lower) ? |
| 08:48.38 | krka | in pseudocode, it can be used for concatenation |
| 08:48.49 | batrick | krka: (-pattern^(upper+1) * pattern^lower) |
| 08:49.08 | batrick | I believe that may be the best way to do it |
| 08:49.23 | krka | hmm |
| 08:49.34 | foxlit | batrick: because, correct me if I'm wrong, this library already kills operators, steals their helmets, craps in them, and returns them to the operators' grieving wives. |
| 08:49.40 | batrick | jnwhiteh: I was just being anal about the ranges, BNF gave hex ranges so I thought why not use it there too |
| 08:50.24 | jnwhiteh | batrick: you can use the ranges as well by converting them to dec :P |
| 08:50.47 | batrick | like you did? Ya, I almost did but didn't want to convert back and forth between hex and decimal |
| 08:50.58 | jnwhiteh | you only need to do it once : |
| 08:50.58 | jnwhiteh | P |
| 08:51.01 | batrick | in case I needed to check a pattern |
| 08:51.17 | batrick | char(0x1, 0x9) doesn't look that bad imo |
| 08:51.18 | jnwhiteh | lua> print(bit, lpeg, md5) |
| 08:51.18 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: nil, table: 0x80a1d30, nil |
| 08:51.24 | jnwhiteh | no, i agree it didnt |
| 08:51.37 | krka | i dont see why pattern^lower * pattern^-(upper - lower) wouldn't work |
| 08:51.48 | jnwhiteh | lua> print(bit, lpeg, md5) |
| 08:51.48 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: nil, table: 0x808cb80, nil |
| 08:51.56 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 08:52.26 | jnwhiteh | i think i'm going to generalize the protocol a bit |
| 08:52.32 | batrick | krka: ya that looks good actually |
| 08:52.36 | jnwhiteh | user!nick@host |
| 08:52.42 | jnwhiteh | but host can be pretty much anything |
| 08:53.43 | batrick | krka: actually no, because pattern^lower will consume more than upper number of pattern |
| 08:54.03 | batrick | and the full pattern will still pass because p^-n always accepts 0 |
| 08:54.15 | batrick | 0 reptitions* |
| 08:55.43 | batrick | !lua p = lpeg.P"h"^5 * lpeg.P"h"^(-(6-5)); return p:match("hhhhhhhh") |
| 08:55.44 | batbot | batrick: > 9 |
| 08:55.50 | batrick | !lua p = lpeg.P"h"^5 * lpeg.P"h"^(-(6-5)); return p:match("hhh") |
| 08:55.51 | batbot | batrick: > nil |
| 08:55.54 | batrick | doesn't work for less though |
| 08:56.30 | jnwhiteh | it can be very tricky getting just the right pattern :P |
| 08:57.04 | batrick | !lua p = -lpeg.P"h"^(6+1) * lpeg.P"h"^5; return p:match "hhhhh", p:match "hhhhhh", p:match "hh", p:match "hhhhhhhhhhhh" |
| 08:57.05 | batbot | batrick: > 6, 7, nil, nil |
| 08:57.16 | batrick | jnwhiteh: ya it can definitely be |
| 08:57.34 | batrick | krka: that is the easiest way to do it I think, although I'd love to hear alternatives |
| 09:01.55 | batrick | It's fortunate that the BNF grammar representation is pretty close to a PEG |
| 09:02.44 | batrick | http://www.gnu.org/software/soc-projects/ideas.html#screen |
| 09:03.02 | batrick | man screen code is really hard to go through, this project might not be worth the effort :( |
| 09:03.17 | batrick | openssh is however muy beautiful :) |
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| 09:09.47 | tekkub | *burp* |
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| 09:15.27 | cog|away | me too |
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| 09:22.14 | TopTop18 | Eey! |
| 09:24.55 | Shirik | yay |
| 09:24.58 | Shirik | arena 1750 |
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| 09:27.11 | TopTop18 | What's that? |
| 09:27.38 | TopTop18 | And is there someone active here at the moment who could help me continueing my first addon? |
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| 09:28.46 | Dagmar | watches a tumbleweed roll past |
| 09:35.13 | wobin | anyone experiencing sudden game freezes? |
| 09:36.09 | wobin | hm |
| 09:36.10 | wobin | This application has encountered a critical error: |
| 09:36.10 | wobin | Not enough storage is available to process this command. |
| 09:36.21 | wobin | .... it has 78G to work with |
| 09:37.18 | Dagmar | That's not a WoW bug |
| 09:37.33 | wobin | well that was from the WoW error handler screen thing |
| 09:37.55 | Dagmar | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc978735.aspx |
| 09:39.11 | Dagmar | Start scanning for malware. |
| 09:39.11 | wobin | doesn't apply =\ I have plenty of disk space and memory available |
| 09:39.40 | wobin | shall do |
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| 09:47.20 | wobin | btw: http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection_test/cfeyechart.html |
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| 10:49.30 | Cairenn | giggles at Aelobin |
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| 12:11.03 | wobin | http://www.wowinsider.com/photos/adams-wow-gallery/1469314/full/ ? |
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| 12:13.40 | mikma | oh, filefront is not quitting |
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| 12:22.49 | wobin | ahahah http://www.yankodesign.com/2007/04/19/hotdoll-love-doll-for-dogs-by-clement-eloy/ |
| 12:23.32 | mikma | wobin: how appropriate, you fight like a cow |
| 12:24.31 | zenzio | I am rubber, you are glue |
| 12:27.55 | TopTop18 | Is there someone active who can help me continue my addon online now? |
| 12:28.13 | wobin | ~asktoask |
| 12:28.13 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 12:28.27 | TopTop18 | :D |
| 12:28.32 | mikma | youq question is in the queue, please wait for 130 minutes. |
| 12:28.39 | mikma | your* |
| 12:28.56 | TopTop18 | already waite dlonger :D |
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| 12:29.05 | jnwhiteh | just ask |
| 12:29.08 | TopTop18 | [11:27] <TopTop18> And is there someone active here at the moment who could help me continueing my first addon? |
| 12:29.10 | jnwhiteh | if someone is here and able they will help you |
| 12:29.13 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 12:29.16 | jnwhiteh | that's not asking your question |
| 12:29.19 | jnwhiteh | that's asking if you can ask for help |
| 12:29.26 | jnwhiteh | just ask the question that you need answered. |
| 12:29.38 | TopTop18 | Ye understood:D |
| 12:29.43 | TopTop18 | Starting up everything now |
| 12:29.57 | mikma | oh btw |
| 12:30.03 | mikma | do not paste lines in here, use pastey.net |
| 12:30.18 | wobin | I just had an 80 hunter |
| 12:30.26 | wobin | ask me how to rename their pet |
| 12:30.30 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a mac and want to install this for me to make sure it works for you (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/642175/Lua-5.1.4-WoW.pkg) |
| 12:30.50 | jnwhiteh | its working fine for me, just want some extra testing |
| 12:31.18 | mikma | wobin: well some people *don't* know they can do it with the inscription-thingy |
| 12:31.35 | wobin | mikma: no, I mean the first naming >< |
| 12:31.46 | mikma | wobin: oh... that's, funneh |
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| 12:32.24 | TopTop18 | Mikma, I was told to use pastey when it were more then 2-3 lines :D |
| 12:32.42 | mikma | toptop18: bingo :) |
| 12:33.12 | jnwhiteh | irc> quit Peace the eff out beyatch |
| 12:35.53 | zenzio | celebrates Friday with Lopeppeppy |
| 12:36.00 | Lopeppeppy | Happy friday, dear. |
| 12:36.08 | TopTop18 | Lol |
| 12:36.27 | TopTop18 | I have my grey framey for my addon made yesterday |
| 12:36.50 | foxlit|mac | grr! |
| 12:37.31 | TopTop18 | So now I have to add the content into it, how do I do that? Add the script thingy in XML, but then how do I write text in the frame? |
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| 12:38.31 | Kraftman | xml? |
| 12:38.33 | Kraftman | runs |
| 12:38.40 | zenzio | TopTop18: you should go read up on the UI on wowwiki or wowprogramming |
| 12:38.56 | zenzio | most of what you seem to be asking is basic stuff that should be covered there |
| 12:39.35 | foxlit|mac | "QuickTime for Java 6 SDKs" << it's a lie |
| 12:39.36 | zenzio | for example, look up fontstring |
| 12:39.51 | TopTop18 | I go reread the wiki again then |
| 12:42.59 | mikma | toptop18: everything can be done with lua :) try to stay away from xml |
| 12:43.53 | TopTop18 | By the way, I'm going to buy that programming book when I have the money for it :D |
| 12:44.13 | TopTop18 | Mikma, I probably can do everything with lua, but I think it's better to also have an XML file for the frames at my first time addon :D |
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| 12:44.44 | Rottenpotato | i started coding my mod last week and i'm a real fan of xml for layouts |
| 12:45.11 | Rottenpotato | and yea, it's definitely a lot easier to understand as a first time through (experienced first hand!) |
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| 12:49.01 | jnwhiteh | so much better |
| 12:49.12 | jnwhiteh | previously lua_bot was sending one join command for all of it's like 20 channels. |
| 12:49.21 | jnwhiteh | changing the autojoin module to make it work.. win |
| 12:49.37 | jnwhiteh | 10 times faster |
| 12:50.14 | foxlit|mac | Server throttles joins? |
| 12:50.40 | foxlit|mac | (or was there some other reason you aren't just sending all 20 JOIN lines at the same time?) |
| 12:50.43 | jnwhiteh | no, it just sends the sync messages as soon as you join |
| 12:50.49 | jnwhiteh | i was sending them at the same time |
| 12:50.52 | jnwhiteh | but the bot's single threaded |
| 12:51.08 | jnwhiteh | so it rotates between incoming and outgoing |
| 12:51.13 | jnwhiteh | this is just nicer :P |
| 12:51.20 | jnwhiteh | JOIN always supported comma separated lists |
| 12:51.22 | jnwhiteh | so I use them now. |
| 12:52.02 | foxlit|mac | (the "same time" solution I was referring to is to just concat the JOIN commands before sending them) |
| 12:56.06 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 12:58.59 | TopTop18 | I've tried adding text inside my frame with the message(); command, but I get ba popup box instead of getting the text inside my frame... |
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| 13:00.08 | TopTop18 | Eey Anaral! |
| 13:00.58 | Rottenpotato | message will pop up a message box |
| 13:01.03 | Rottenpotato | what you want is to make labels |
| 13:01.13 | foxlit|mac | "I've tried taking a picture of my bird with a gun, but I ended up shooting it instead..." |
| 13:01.14 | Rottenpotato | i believe they're called 'fontstrings' |
| 13:03.05 | TopTop18 | How do you use them? or where can I find how to use them? i tried searching it on wowwiki as znzio said, but I got some mad programming thingy's I couldn;t understand |
| 13:03.20 | TopTop18 | Oh and this is my code until now: http://pastey.net/111573 |
| 13:04.25 | Rottenpotato | they're going to end up being part of your artwork layer on the frame |
| 13:04.42 | Rottenpotato | offhand i don't know all the syntax - take a look at some simple downloadable mods from curse / google search for properties etc |
| 13:04.48 | Rottenpotato | there's a wow api up on wowwiki as well |
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| 13:04.54 | Rottenpotato | i'd love to help more but i'm off to school in a second |
| 13:05.32 | Rottenpotato | and that second is now |
| 13:05.46 | Rottenpotato | if you're around at 2-6cst send me a private message |
| 13:05.55 | Rottenpotato | i can send you what i've done and let you use it as reference if you'd like |
| 13:05.57 | Rottenpotato | anyway i'm off for now |
| 13:06.00 | Rottenpotato | keep exploring |
| 13:06.27 | TopTop18 | Okay thx! |
| 13:08.38 | jnwhiteh | TopTop18: is there any particular reason you're avoiding my book like the plague? |
| 13:08.53 | jnwhiteh | I mean, it was written specifically for people like you |
| 13:09.03 | jnwhiteh | and answers all of these questions |
| 13:10.21 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-long-completion-large.png |
| 13:11.09 | TopTop18 | You mean the WoW programming book? |
| 13:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 13:11.22 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 13:11.39 | TopTop18 | ^you eman that one? |
| 13:11.56 | TopTop18 | If so I'm not avoiding it I only can;t afford it atm |
| 13:13.52 | TopTop18 | I'm going to buy it when I have money again, next moth or so |
| 13:14.08 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 13:14.14 | jnwhiteh | its just tough to answer your questions .. succinctly. |
| 13:14.25 | jnwhiteh | the best way for you to learn is to just look at other addons |
| 13:14.33 | jnwhiteh | or the default UI and see how they accomplish things. |
| 13:15.42 | TopTop18 | It's just that there's a hellload of addons and i have no idea which ones use the things I want to study and use |
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| 13:23.06 | Fisker- | hahaha wtf |
| 13:23.10 | Fisker- | was just trying godfather 2 |
| 13:23.15 | Fisker- | and i sent all my men to defend a place |
| 13:23.22 | Fisker- | meanwhile i went on a mission myself |
| 13:23.36 | TopTop18 | lol |
| 13:23.44 | Fisker- | then i heard my men talking to me, which was odd since they were defending a place in new york |
| 13:23.49 | Fisker- | i were in california |
| 13:23.52 | Lopeppeppy | And they all defected! |
| 13:24.01 | Fisker- | So i saw a car with all of my henchmen in it |
| 13:24.03 | Fisker- | ... |
| 13:24.13 | Fisker- | and it still said they were defending the place in california :D |
| 13:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Henchmen are so untrustworthy |
| 13:24.47 | TopTop18 | Wondering what will happen if that place gets attacked |
| 13:25.22 | TopTop18 | Will they be teleporting to there as they are defending it? |
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| 13:27.31 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137524118&postId=161359320213&sid=1#0 |
| 13:27.33 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.46 | Kraps | (my post) |
| 13:28.51 | Lopeppeppy | You say to prevent it from becoming OP. That implies that it actually is not OP right now, so why do you want it nerfed pro-actively, before it's show to be a problem? |
| 13:29.13 | Lopeppeppy | I know that with suggestions like this, Blizz likes to see you produce number crunching to prove why you think it's an OP ability, etc. |
| 13:30.00 | Kraps | i think TC spam would be OP, thats why |
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| 13:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | Okay.... so produce the numbers and you're more likely to get support. |
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| 13:37.10 | Kraps | i'm not a number cruncher, but i figured, if TC was on the GCD, 700 average damage every second from a special attack would be OP, none of the other high-damage warrior attacks are spammable. and i took it from there |
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| 13:38.57 | Lopeppeppy | Put that in your post then! :) |
| 13:39.26 | Kraps | :) ok |
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| 13:45.50 | Kraps | in other news, Arms looks so good on the PTR calculators |
| 13:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | Partly because they can currently get this ability that you propose to have moved so they *cannot* spec into that. |
| 13:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | So take into accout that you're suggesting an Arms nerf, when you sparkly happily about their PTR. |
| 13:47.45 | Kraps | i dont see imp TC being used a lot in pvp |
| 13:48.01 | Kraps | i mean, theres no reason |
| 13:48.07 | Kraps | imo |
| 13:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | If it's OP and does so much damage, why would one NOT be using it in PVP? |
| 13:49.29 | Kraps | because it on a 6 sec cd, which is laughable |
| 13:49.55 | Kraps | a *reduced* cd would be op |
| 13:50.13 | Kraps | if the damage was kept the same |
| 13:50.22 | Lopeppeppy | Which you're proposing to take away from them, so they won't be as sparkly as they are on the PTR. |
| 13:50.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.54 | phyber | do warriors have infinite rage in pvp to keep spamming it that often if the cd was lower? |
| 13:53.28 | Kraps | phyber: imp tc would make it 17 rage, so i think yes |
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| 13:53.46 | Kraps | mortal srike is 30 rage |
| 13:55.31 | Kraps | heroic strike is 15, rend is 10 |
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| 13:58.32 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: like i said, using tc in pvp as it is now is a waste of a gcd and rage imo |
| 14:00.03 | Kraps | off topic, i have serious issues leveling my shammy |
| 14:00.53 | Kraps | elemental was a bit better though |
| 14:07.05 | Kraps | latency? |
| 14:07.07 | Kraps | 1:28'54.713Bloodmane died. |
| 14:07.08 | Kraps | 1:28'54.713Fallout Slime #11 is afflicted by Deep Wounds. |
| 14:07.10 | Kraps | 1:28'55.055Bloodmane Devotion Aura was removed from Ertis. |
| 14:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | Could be. |
| 14:09.39 | Kraps | mines usually around 200 but it doesnt affect playing |
| 14:12.28 | Lopeppeppy | Combat logs are imprecise creatures, much like the slime you were fighting. |
| 14:12.39 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:13.01 | Kraps | we had 2 good attempts, but no kill |
| 14:13.18 | Kraps | lots of first timers |
| 14:13.25 | Kraps | like me |
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| 14:18.55 | Kraps | harsh http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137364141&sid=1 |
| 14:20.09 | Lopeppeppy | Someone needs more caffeine. |
| 14:20.33 | Kraps | no kidding |
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| 14:22.44 | Kraps | MVPs armory profiles are blocked? :) |
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| 14:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | Dunno. I don't think so, why? |
| 14:26.30 | foxlit|mac | dinosaurs are naked anyway |
| 14:26.51 | Lopeppeppy | Well yes, I post with one of my naked Peppies, that's very true. Teeth and claws are all a rogue needs. |
| 14:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, I'm in there. |
| 14:28.40 | Kraps | there are quite a few female gnome rogue Peppies, none of which are 80 |
| 14:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | And? |
| 14:29.01 | Lopeppeppy | Did I ever say that Peppy was 80? |
| 14:29.05 | Kraps | no |
| 14:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | There ya go. |
| 14:29.31 | Kraps | so... WHO ARE YOU?! |
| 14:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm hoping to level her next, but she's not my current main. |
| 14:29.34 | Kraps | :p |
| 14:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, I post with the Level 1 Peppy from Sentinels exactly so I don't get stalkers in game. |
| 14:30.05 | Kraps | rofl i know |
| 14:30.44 | Kraps | i made a char on ciderhelm's realm so i could say hi :/ |
| 14:30.52 | Kraps | <-- NOT A STALKER |
| 14:30.58 | Kraps | RLY |
| 14:31.14 | Kraftman | I kinda agree with that post |
| 14:31.35 | Kraftman | just with more punctuation |
| 14:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | You can say hi to me right here, every day pretty much. No need to have my game time interrupted. |
| 14:32.06 | Kraps | Kraftman: less nerdrage would be nice too |
| 14:32.16 | Kraftman | :P |
| 14:32.48 | Kraftman | They do have a point though |
| 14:33.10 | Aelobin | =o kraft get back in #wowui :P |
| 14:33.14 | Kraftman | :( |
| 14:33.29 | Aelobin | pokes Kraftman back into his cage. |
| 14:34.13 | Kraftman | slinks back, grumbling. |
| 14:34.57 | Kraps | is it possible to configure grid to be useful to a tank? |
| 14:35.15 | wobin | hm |
| 14:35.20 | wobin | well, it tells you who has aggro |
| 14:35.27 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it is. Depending on what you find "useful" |
| 14:35.34 | wobin | and you can configure a mouseover macro for taunts and hope they're in range |
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| 14:37.21 | Kraps | i like the default raid boxes because: i see who has aggro, i can see all debuffs on people, and get a clear view of their health/mana |
| 14:37.31 | Lopeppeppy | Then why use Grid? |
| 14:37.47 | Kraps | i dont :) |
| 14:38.02 | wobin | I just have it up |
| 14:38.05 | Kraftman | Grid is nice and compact :) |
| 14:38.08 | wobin | cause I forgot to disable it |
| 14:38.16 | Kraps | i tried to when i installed it for my priest |
| 14:38.23 | wobin | but I find it nice for an overall view of who's dead |
| 14:38.37 | wobin | ie, for that last HVH I just did |
| 14:38.45 | wobin | I ended up tanking Cyg for the last 25% |
| 14:38.49 | wobin | alone =( |
| 14:38.58 | Kraps | wow |
| 14:39.06 | wobin | hm, rephrase |
| 14:39.09 | wobin | number was wrong =P |
| 14:39.12 | Lopeppeppy | I actually kind really hate the look and feel of grid. I use sRaidFrames or PerfectRaid or Pitbull. |
| 14:39.23 | wobin | but it was a good few minutes of frantically hitting cooldowns |
| 14:39.43 | Kraps | 25 is kind of high |
| 14:39.46 | wobin | yeah |
| 14:39.50 | wobin | I can't remember exactly |
| 14:39.55 | wobin | maybe it just felt that way |
| 14:40.02 | Kraps | rofl |
| 14:40.41 | wobin | I just remember thinking "zomg, my runes aren't refreshing fast enough!" |
| 14:40.56 | wobin | I had to pop a ghoul for health =P |
| 14:41.40 | Kraps | whats your average dps? |
| 14:41.46 | Kraps | as a tank |
| 14:41.53 | wobin | (Also, as an aside, Army of Death on Cygnosia is very very very funny) |
| 14:42.27 | wobin | I think I was doing about 1.6-1.8k |
| 14:42.30 | wobin | pretty stodgy |
| 14:42.45 | wobin | my dps depends on what I'm tanking =) |
| 14:42.59 | wobin | single target, is pretty low |
| 14:43.04 | Kraps | better than me |
| 14:43.16 | wobin | I can get 3k on Faerlina's minions |
| 14:43.17 | Kraps | warrior |
| 14:43.30 | wobin | but that's just due to ridiculous amounts of aoe |
| 14:43.45 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy you see this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137214164&sid=1 |
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| 14:44.43 | wobin | sounds dodgy to me |
| 14:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I don't have much opinion on it. When you get into gossip and "let's say" and all that stuff... I'm going to guess it's a terrain exploit. |
| 14:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | Macros cannot control movement, so it's not a macro. |
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| 15:03.13 | TopTop18 | Yay I found something usefull about fontstring! |
| 15:03.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 15:03.30 | Lopeppeppy | See, studying is awesomesauce. |
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| 15:03.41 | TopTop18 | Well it took 4 hours... |
| 15:05.12 | TopTop18 | But it's great that I'm making progress :D |
| 15:06.36 | TopTop18 | Things always go faster if you ahev somekind of teacher :D |
| 15:06.44 | Lopeppeppy | You don't learn to program by osmosis, dear, you have to read and think. |
| 15:07.01 | TopTop18 | It would probably took way longer if noone infoed me about fontstring :D |
| 15:07.32 | AckisWork | TopTop18: what I usually do is be annoying enough until someone answers my question, right Lopeppeppy |
| 15:07.51 | Lopeppeppy | ignores Ackis a lot a lot alot. |
| 15:08.01 | TopTop18 | Lopeppeppy, I think a combination of reading info and someone who points you to that information and helps with unclear things |
| 15:08.05 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | TopTop18, I've heard of courses in lua programming. Go get one! |
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| 15:09.34 | kneeki | So, I'm stuck in a loop flying around the spire thing in the storm peaks to open up the sons of hodir prereqs... I have to gatling shot one of the other people on flyers to kill them, but I do not have a gatling button, just a 'leave vehicle' button, reloading UI does nothing. any ideas? |
| 15:09.40 | kneeki | by the way, leave = death |
| 15:10.06 | AckisWork | TopTop18: there's also this excellent book on wow lua stuffz |
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| 15:11.09 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki, can you log out while flying, remove all addons, and try it vanilla? |
| 15:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm gonna assume your action bars are all fubar'd to hell. |
| 15:11.38 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: I think that's my only choice now. But it's going to mean another death, hopefully I can unequip gear |
| 15:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | Do that first, see what happens. |
| 15:11.54 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: That's what I thought as well, but there are no UI errors at all, and I'm using default WoW bars |
| 15:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | ....Then are you sure that the gatling thing is a vehicle ability and not an item in your bag? |
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| 15:13.07 | kneeki | ... |
| 15:13.11 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: /huggles |
| 15:13.21 | kneeki | Well, that solved it. Heh |
| 15:13.26 | kneeki | Last 20 minutes = wasted |
| 15:14.16 | Lopeppeppy | Must have been some addon interfering then. Sorry about that! |
| 15:14.39 | kneeki | no no |
| 15:14.42 | kneeki | The item was in my bag |
| 15:14.50 | kneeki | I thought it was a vehicle ability |
| 15:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh! Ooopsies. *grin* |
| 15:25.43 | AckisWork | I feel like shit today fyi |
| 15:26.59 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, take meds and a nap and drink more fluids. *nod* |
| 15:27.24 | AckisWork | i've taken meds heh i'm at work so no naps yet |
| 15:28.37 | TopTop18 | Lopeppeppy, Don't want to spend so much money on it and I'm gonna go study informatics in 2-3 years |
| 15:29.20 | TopTop18 | AckisWork, Going to buy that book when I have money again, just ordered my brand new thousand euro computer :D |
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| 15:31.51 | DWSR | Hey, can anyone grab the fansite kit and post it to sendspace or somewhere? doesn't want to work for me. |
| 15:32.24 | DWSR | Oh, nevermind. It would help if Blizzard directed me to the right mirror. |
| 15:32.27 | DWSR | *sigh*. |
| 15:35.25 | TopTop18 | Is there any way to make a fontstring with the same color/settings as the one above, with the only differences the text it shows and the place? |
| 15:35.43 | TopTop18 | Or to place an enter in a fontstring? |
| 15:36.18 | Elkano | for newline, try \n |
| 15:36.24 | Legorol | ~wowprogramming |
| 15:36.24 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 15:37.14 | Legorol | TopTop18: yes to both |
| 15:37.26 | DWSR | Anyone got some decent icicle textures? |
| 15:37.32 | Legorol | For the first question, you can either use a template and derive your actual, individual strings from that one, |
| 15:37.43 | Legorol | (which is the best way to do it if you are using XML) |
| 15:37.54 | Legorol | or there are ways to copy the properties in Lua (complicated, not recommended) |
| 15:38.30 | Legorol | For placing an enter, do what Elkano said. Alternatively, you can turn wrapping on on a fontstring, causing it to wrap its text. In this case, its width can be fixed, and its height will adjust automatically. |
| 15:39.24 | TopTop18 | Legorol, my standard answer to the book: I'm going to buy it when I have money again, next moth or so |
| 15:39.53 | DWSR | tbh, I find books slow to use. |
| 15:40.10 | DWSR | Just the actual usage. Not the information. |
| 15:40.32 | TopTop18 | And I think I'm going to dive into making/finding a template, although it would be awesome if someoen says me where I can find the info/tells me how to do :D |
| 15:41.01 | TopTop18 | DWSR, It are probably very good lookups and great if you loook for specific information |
| 15:41.13 | Legorol | TopTop18: sorry i did ~wowprogramming for myself. I didn't remember the URL :) |
| 15:41.23 | DWSR | TopTop18: I would argue that for lookups, in fact it's easier to have the search. |
| 15:41.29 | DWSR | I find books are like tape drives |
| 15:41.51 | DWSR | You can't skip around in them, you need to read the information linearly(?) to get the most use out of them. |
| 15:41.54 | Legorol | TopTop18: also, actually for FontStrings specifically, you probably want to use Fonts instead of templates. |
| 15:42.43 | Legorol | the advantage of defining a Font object is you can tell any other UI object that works with text (such as FontString, EditBox, etc.) to use that Font. If you make changes to the Font (eg. its colour), then all objects using that Font change too. |
| 15:42.44 | TopTop18 | W8 a few mions, gonna look what happens if I don;t specify color and things |
| 15:43.27 | TopTop18 | Okay and what's a font/how to define it? |
| 15:43.54 | Legorol | TopTop18: for examples on defining fonts, check out the default interface's Fonts.xml and FontStyles.xml |
| 15:44.08 | Legorol | A basic example is GameFontNormal, which is used by a lot of default UI objects |
| 15:44.23 | Legorol | GameFontNormal is defined in FontStyles.xml |
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| 15:44.28 | TopTop18 | Ah such a font, was thinking way to difficult XD |
| 15:44.49 | Legorol | you can define your own Font if you want just by inheriting from one of the pre-defined ones, and only modifying the things you need |
| 15:45.19 | Legorol | another good example is ChatFontNormal |
| 15:45.28 | TopTop18 | http://pastey.net/111577 |
| 15:45.30 | Legorol | it's defined in FontStyles.xml, and then used in ChatFrame.xml |
| 15:45.32 | TopTop18 | My current coding |
| 15:45.52 | Legorol | example of how ChatFontNormal is used for setting up the font properties of the default chat frames: |
| 15:45.53 | Legorol | <FontString inherits="ChatFontNormal" justifyH="LEFT" indented="true" nonspacewrap="true"/> |
| 15:46.00 | Legorol | (this line is from ChatFrame.xml) |
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| 15:46.25 | Legorol | if you now change any property of ChatFontNormal, all text in all chat frames changes :) |
| 15:46.28 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 15:46.32 | Legorol | \o/ |
| 15:46.52 | Legorol | TopTop18: uh, any chance you could pastey that with indentation/ |
| 15:47.09 | TopTop18 | I gotta go, thanks for the information Legorol! |
| 15:47.14 | TopTop18 | Oh gonna try that w8 a sec |
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| 15:49.04 | TopTop18 | http://pastey.net/111578 |
| 15:49.25 | TopTop18 | I'll look back later, just add my name to your posts about me and I can easily look them up |
| 15:50.21 | Legorol | I have a question too for those better versed in Font manipulation: |
| 15:50.31 | Legorol | what's the effect (if any) of setting a Font to be virtual? |
| 15:50.55 | Legorol | eg. <Font name="MyLovelyFont" virtual="true"/> |
| 15:51.05 | Legorol | as opposed to just <Font name="MyLovelyFont"/> |
| 15:51.26 | Lunessa | Your font eventually gains sapience and institutes Skynet. |
| 15:51.35 | Legorol | zomg |
| 15:52.11 | Legorol | another (related) question is: if I have a non-virtual FontString that inherits a virtual Font, does a Font object get created internally for the FontString? |
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| 15:55.01 | Lunessa | All kidding aside, I don't actually know the answers to that. |
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| 15:56.16 | Legorol | Lunessa: I had hoped you are not as evil that you wouldn't have told me the answer had I known. So I deduced that much :) |
| 15:56.25 | Legorol | s/I/you* |
| 15:56.27 | Legorol | s/I/you/ |
| 15:56.30 | Legorol | rofl |
| 15:56.34 | Legorol | anyway, you get what i mean |
| 15:56.45 | Lunessa | Seriously, I'm pretty evil. Ask Jelly. |
| 15:58.18 | Legorol | I know, but not *that* evil :o) |
| 15:58.32 | Legorol | You may try to hide your true feelings from me, but I see right through you! You can run, but you can't hide. |
| 15:59.28 | Lunessa | contemplates using Air-Fuel-Explosives on legrol's home town. |
| 15:59.39 | Jamash | search your feelings, you know it to be true! give in to your hatred and... what was I saying? |
| 16:00.08 | AckisWork | Lunessa: you are not evil, you are cute and cuddly and i want to eat you all up |
| 16:00.16 | Lunessa | ... |
| 16:00.35 | AckisWork | :D |
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| 16:07.29 | foxlit | So, the afternoon's results: (1) There is no workable, cross-platform media capture framework for Java (2) My laptop's built-in camera is apparently broken. |
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| 16:08.40 | foxlit | The latter is probably the more annoying -- just when I first find a use for it in the 2 years I've had the laptop, I discover that it doesn't actually work. |
| 16:08.43 | foxlit | qqs. |
| 16:09.30 | Jamash | Have you tried hitting it with a rubber mallet. |
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| 16:11.37 | Lunessa | foxlit: macBook or other machine? |
| 16:11.46 | foxlit | mbp, yeah |
| 16:12.14 | Lunessa | still under warranty then. |
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| 16:12.25 | Lunessa | Apple with fix that up right quick. |
| 16:12.57 | foxlit | the warranty period is one year, not two :) |
| 16:13.22 | Lunessa | Bah, That blows. |
| 16:13.38 | jnwhiteh | no applecare? |
| 16:13.43 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.47 | Lunessa | I haven't bought a new laptop from Apple since my G4 Titanium. |
| 16:13.48 | jnwhiteh | to so inexpensive with educational discount |
| 16:14.00 | durcyn | foxlit: i'll sell you my santa-rosa MBP with working camera >_> |
| 16:14.07 | Jamash | AckisWork: sure |
| 16:20.46 | Legorol | AckisWork: yes |
| 16:21.07 | Legorol | but it depends on how you treat them in the first place |
| 16:22.50 | Lunessa | AckisWork: If they can't be bothered to make themselves understood, their point isn't going to matter much to me anyway. |
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| 16:23.58 | AckisWork | it's more like a misinterpretation then they have to reexplain themselves and get mad *grumbles* makes me wnat to wipe thier forum posts! |
| 16:24.56 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: no applecare. The EDU discount is relatively insignificant around here |
| 16:25.39 | Tem|work | oh god I might not make it through today |
| 16:25.54 | Tem|work | staying up all night to fix my sleeping schedule was totally not a cool idea |
| 16:26.07 | Kraps | i am best proto-drake stealer!! |
| 16:26.14 | AckisWork | Tem|work: 5 hour energy? |
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| 16:29.35 | Tem|work | AckisWork: does it even work? |
| 16:30.49 | Kraps | should i replace my exp/hit gems with just exp? |
| 16:32.15 | ZorbaTHut | if you're not a tank, cap on hit first. if you are a tank, soft-cap on exp first. |
| 16:32.47 | Kraps | i'm a tank, and i'm soft-capped |
| 16:33.09 | Lunessa | Tem|work: that "staying up to fix my sleep schedule" thing always involves misery. |
| 16:34.04 | Legorol | I like what spiel's solution is to the "for-pay" dilemma with nUI. |
| 16:34.35 | Legorol | Don't know how many of you have seen it, but he did the following: you get access to the "pro" version of nUI only if you subscribe (for free) to an email newsletter. |
| 16:34.47 | Jamash | huh |
| 16:35.00 | krka | what's the catch? |
| 16:35.06 | Legorol | It means the access is still free, doesn't breach Blizzard policies, yet he has the opportunity to send emails to the users, reminding them to download/donate etc. |
| 16:35.14 | Legorol | krka: no catch, I think it's a smart solution |
| 16:35.31 | Legorol | bear in mind that the funding model has always been based on soliciting donations, which requires reminding the user |
| 16:35.38 | Legorol | instead of in-game reminders, he is doing so via email |
| 16:35.43 | Tem|work | spam |
| 16:35.45 | Legorol | I think that's a smart solution |
| 16:35.45 | Tem|work | lawl |
| 16:35.50 | Legorol | well, you sign up for it |
| 16:35.53 | Legorol | so it's your choice |
| 16:35.58 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, maybe I'll try something like that with QH |
| 16:36.01 | Tem|work | *shrug* |
| 16:36.05 | durcyn | because throwaway email accounts and unsubscribes never happen |
| 16:36.16 | Legorol | durcyn: you can be cynical, and ofc some people will do that |
| 16:36.26 | Legorol | but the product is free anyway, so those people would probably not bother donating anyway |
| 16:36.27 | Tem|work | speaking of unsubscribes, I'm fucking sick of places whos unsub doesn't work |
| 16:36.34 | Tem|work | intentionally or otherwise |
| 16:36.58 | Legorol | durcyn: my point was that for legitimate users who don't mind a gentle reminder from time to time, this is a perfect solution |
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| 16:37.36 | durcyn | Legorol: true, but i can't think of a bigger group of probable assholes than wow players, i'd be interested to see his retention stats |
| 16:38.07 | Legorol | durcyn: considering that small and unobtrusive in-game nags did have a useful effect (ask Zorba), I can very well imagine this causing more income than just a simple Donate link |
| 16:38.29 | Tem|work | people who use prepackaged compilation-style addons aren't the type who know about throwaway emails |
| 16:38.43 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the important part is to realize that there are lots of people who will happily and joyfully give you money |
| 16:38.58 | Legorol | I think the whole discussion about throwaway emails is irrelevant. Someone who wants to get around any system will get around it anyway. |
| 16:39.00 | ZorbaTHut | but they have to be informed that it's even an option, and then they have to be frequently reminded to do so |
| 16:39.08 | Legorol | Plus, again, the product itself is available for free still if you know where to look. |
| 16:39.23 | ZorbaTHut | there's also people who will say "mwa ha ha, I'm getting stuff for free, he's never getting a cent of mine!" and they're not gonna give you money anyway, so just don't worry about them. |
| 16:39.32 | Legorol | aye |
| 16:39.43 | ZorbaTHut | same reason DRM doesn't work. |
| 16:39.49 | ZorbaTHut | (well, one of many) |
| 16:39.52 | Legorol | It's all about exposure and reminders, not about protection |
| 16:40.17 | ZorbaTHut | yup. |
| 16:40.30 | ZorbaTHut | if everyone who used QH gave me a dollar a month, I'd have two houses by the end of the year ;) |
| 16:40.52 | ZorbaTHut | I'll never get 100% coverage, but even a small percentage would be fantastic. |
| 16:41.47 | Legorol | Zorba: I was just doing a similar count the other day, if 0.1% of all the time my single crappy addon was downloaded in the past, someone paid me 1$, I'd be able to eat for two months. |
| 16:42.35 | ZorbaTHut | not bad :) |
| 16:43.59 | Legorol | unfortunately, that's over all historical downloads over the past 2-3 years, so it's not a sustainable model :) |
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| 16:43.59 | ZorbaTHut | still, it's not a bad incentive to keep working on it ;) |
| 16:43.59 | Legorol | speaking of which, looks like i get away with just changing TOC number. again. for the past 2 years or so :o) |
| 16:44.10 | Legorol | (ok i did fix a couple bugs along the way, but it still basically works) |
| 16:44.40 | Tem|work | Bibi`: ping |
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| 16:50.34 | Duman | hmm |
| 16:51.56 | foxlit | you update for toc numbers? :) |
| 16:52.21 | foxlit | I suppose people whine otherwise :) |
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| 17:10.52 | Legorol | foxlit: It's not about whining. I never advise any user to update their TOC numbers on their own. Only the author can decide for sure if there is anything more that needs doing. |
| 17:11.11 | Legorol | In the meantime, users are free to tick the "load out of date" checkbox. |
| 17:11.24 | Legorol | If I do advise something, it's that they do the latter. |
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| 17:22.31 | End | I think updating the ToC number is a good indication of "this version works and is updated as needed", whether or not the author actually had to make changes to keep it working |
| 17:22.54 | End | as in, it's a good flag for the author to indicate he's keeping it up to date |
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| 17:36.07 | nevcairiel | Boo they are disabling the Equipment Manager for 3.1 release because its apparently not yet working properly :( |
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| 17:36.42 | Fisker- | yeah nevcairiel |
| 17:36.44 | Fisker- | lazy bastards |
| 17:36.48 | Fisker- | l2delay |
| 17:36.49 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:36.57 | nevcairiel | it worked fine for me :( |
| 17:37.12 | nevcairiel | Now i need to convince closetgnome to not completly disable itself on 3.1 clients 0P |
| 17:37.15 | Kirov | I guess I won't stop using ItemRack ... not that I was going to stop. |
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| 17:39.17 | Syzgyn | Does anyone happen to know what login event I can use to reliably get guild info? PLAYER_LOGIN isn't working for me. |
| 17:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | There is an event that relates just to that, iirc |
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| 17:40.10 | Syzgyn | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE? |
| 17:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Guild#GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 17:40.14 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 17:40.24 | Syzgyn | I didnt realize that ran on login |
| 17:40.26 | nevcairiel | You may have to call GuildRoster() yourself before to update it |
| 17:40.27 | Syzgyn | cool |
| 17:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't |
| 17:40.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You either have to do what nevcairiel said or open the guild window yourself |
| 17:40.45 | ZorbaTHut | dammit, my guild's imploding. |
| 17:40.46 | Syzgyn | oh I see |
| 17:40.50 | End | ZorbaTHut: uh oh |
| 17:40.51 | Syzgyn | not a problem |
| 17:41.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's worse than it sounds, there used to be two competent raiding guilds on my side of the server, and one of them was full of dicks |
| 17:41.29 | ZorbaTHut | now there's one. and it's full of dicks. :P |
| 17:41.36 | End | :( |
| 17:41.36 | Dewin | :( |
| 17:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 17:41.43 | Wraithan | Any good addons for mages for stuff like countdown for things like frostbite/frost nova/fingers of frost. I am using NeedToKnow right now but 3 separate bars for that suck when it is all for one reason. Same with the instant and free fireball from the brain freeze talent, would be nice to have something made for it |
| 17:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | As a former GM of a raiding guild of dicks |
| 17:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I find that mildly amusing |
| 17:42.24 | Dewin | Wraithan: I personally use MikScrollingBattleText with custom triggers to give myself sound effects to notify me when the CDs are up. |
| 17:42.33 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is really that they're horribly elitist more than anything else, which is ironic considering how bad our server is |
| 17:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:42.49 | Dewin | ZobraTHut: What server? |
| 17:42.52 | Dewin | and faction |
| 17:42.55 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, Shattered Halls - Alliance |
| 17:43.01 | Dewin | heh |
| 17:43.16 | Dewin | AIE failed 6 times in a row to raid Ironforge last night, and they're supposedly the biggest (in terms of number of members) NA guild. |
| 17:43.38 | Wraithan | Dewin: I only use sounds for raiding, and this is more buffs/debuffs to watch which can mean casting multiple times instead of just a quick one spell reaction to an event |
| 17:43.48 | Wraithan | It is nice to have a countdown bar |
| 17:43.58 | Dewin | For buffs, I use a very customized setup of Elkano's Buff Bars. |
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| 17:44.07 | Lunessa | I am a guild leader, and it turns out, all guild leaders are dicks. Especially me. |
| 17:44.10 | Dewin | It specifically shows *just* the buffs/debuffs I'm interested in. |
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| 17:44.39 | Dewin | Lunessa: Our guild leader used to be a total dick when we were a guild in FFXI. Well, it was more like drill sergeant style. |
| 17:44.49 | Wraithan | Dewin: I do the same thing with needtoknow, allows me to color per bar also, but it would be nice to only have to show the one with the most duration left instead of all 3 things that give me my shatter bonus |
| 17:44.55 | Dewin | So a lot of people didn't like her and left the guild as a result, but we got some impressive things done. |
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| 17:45.09 | Dewin | Wraithan: Ahh. |
| 17:45.14 | Lunessa | Dewin: It turns out that you can't make everyone happy, so all you can do is look for people who will be happy with what you do. |
| 17:45.22 | ZorbaTHut | it's not "dick" in the sense of "demands that people perform well" |
| 17:45.36 | ZorbaTHut | it's "dick" in the sense of "spams /2 with achievements and tells people to quit playing if they haven't killed sarth+3" |
| 17:45.47 | Dewin | Zorba: Ow. |
| 17:45.57 | ZorbaTHut | yes. |
| 17:45.57 | Dewin | We sometimes mock other players in guild chat but never publicly. |
| 17:45.57 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: That's "dick" |
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| 17:46.04 | ZorbaTHut | and guess how many guilds have killed sarth+3? just them. |
| 17:46.18 | Wraithan | Dewin: Yeah, there are 3 buff/debuffs that can give me my shatter bonus, gets cumbersome to have those + my fireball! needtoknow bar up in the middle of my screen |
| 17:46.29 | Tem|work | Fun story |
| 17:46.41 | Tem|work | We "raided" Silvermoon City and killed the leader |
| 17:46.43 | Dewin | Wraithan: You might be able to set up a trigger with MSBT, if it doesn't have one already. |
| 17:46.44 | Tem|work | with 3 people |
| 17:46.47 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/shattered-halls behold the epic progress of my server |
| 17:46.50 | Dewin | It won't give you a CD timer, but you'll get a notification that it's doable. |
| 17:46.58 | ZorbaTHut | fidelity is the one that just imploded, I guess catalyst has been doing better lately. |
| 17:47.08 | Lunessa | Hey, I've been part of a run for Sarth+1 and I've done Heroic Naxx - but I'm not all elitist. I dont have the members to do everything yet, and recruiting is like pulling teeth. |
| 17:47.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, no offense, for someone so cocky they are pretty terrible |
| 17:47.42 | Dewin | Our guild hasn't done sarth+3 yet, mainly because the two times we've scheduled it we've managed to be out a lot of key people |
| 17:47.49 | Dewin | (I was one of the ones missing one of those times) |
| 17:48.07 | Tem|work | I'm in a really strange place with 3d |
| 17:48.07 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, yes, they are. But they're also objectively the best raiders on Alliance on our server. It's a bad combination. |
| 17:48.11 | Tem|work | I LOVE 3d25 |
| 17:48.15 | Tem|work | and I HATE 3d10 |
| 17:48.24 | ZorbaTHut | (Divinus being the group of dicks) |
| 17:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | To be a prick here |
| 17:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | No, sorry |
| 17:48.28 | Wraithan | Dewin: Yeah, the problem is that Fingers of Frost (spells are cast as if target is frozen) has 2 charges, Frostbit and Frost Nova both break after X damage, may just have to write something custom if I can't find anything that would combine all 3 into one bar that just shows the one with the most duration |
| 17:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | They're just terrible |
| 17:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | No if ands or buts |
| 17:48.46 | Tem|work | we're to the point where we one shot3d25 every week now which is awesome |
| 17:49.08 | Dewin | Wraithan: Play with MSBT, it may not be what you want but you might be able to beat it into submission. |
| 17:49.17 | Tem|work | but 3d10 is like ugh |
| 17:49.20 | Dewin | Personally, I wish Elkano's Buff Bars would support cooldowns as well |
| 17:49.24 | Wraithan | Dewin: That is just text/sound would be worthless for what I want |
| 17:49.24 | Kirov | 3d10 is evil |
| 17:49.31 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I see, Catalyst got sarth+3 for the first time today |
| 17:49.32 | Tem|work | the stacking is so harsh |
| 17:49.39 | Wraithan | 3D10 isn't very hard |
| 17:49.46 | Wraithan | we got that down before we got 3d25 |
| 17:49.46 | Tem|work | we're trying to get more people in the guild the achievement |
| 17:49.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. unrelated, and old, but still good. http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13254/41_2008/Picture_14.preview.jpg |
| 17:49.56 | Tem|work | Wraithan: what kind of mutant raiders do you have? |
| 17:50.02 | Kirov | 3D 10 isn't hard if the RNG gods smile on you. |
| 17:50.04 | Tem|work | 25 is SO MUCH easier |
| 17:50.05 | Kirov | Otherwise it's impossible. |
| 17:50.11 | OsirisT | So are there any mod devs anymore since Blizz changed ther mods policy? :-( I love the mods I use and just hope people don't give up on them. |
| 17:50.19 | Wraithan | We have 15 solid raiders and 10 failures. |
| 17:50.24 | Tem|work | OsirisT: the dead horse. |
| 17:50.27 | Tem|work | You are kicking it |
| 17:50.31 | Wraithan | Which is why 3D10 is easier |
| 17:50.35 | Kirov | There are often situations in 3d 10 where your tank is going to die, and there's no stoping it. |
| 17:50.44 | Tem|work | Wraithan: ah that's a problem! |
| 17:50.55 | Tem|work | Kirov: actually, I've never been the cause of a 3d10 wipe |
| 17:51.00 | OsirisT | Sorry was just trying to see what people thought.. |
| 17:51.08 | Tem|work | well, except when I failboat and take a wave |
| 17:51.24 | Kirov | Tem - Are you MT or drake tank? |
| 17:51.27 | Tem|work | (because I went to sleep from doing the same boss encounter for the 47th time) |
| 17:51.29 | Tem|work | MT |
| 17:51.35 | Tem|work | I wish I was the drake tank |
| 17:51.42 | Tem|work | the current 10 man drake tank is the weak link |
| 17:51.51 | Kirov | I find the drank tank is the one that insta-dies |
| 17:52.04 | durcyn | http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3623/deadhorse.jpg |
| 17:52.06 | Kirov | two breaths + melee + random fucking lava strike == dead tank |
| 17:52.13 | Tem|work | ah you need more dps! |
| 17:52.38 | Kirov | Tem - We need less fail dps, yes. |
| 17:52.58 | Kirov | My fiancee and I were top dps for the one 3d 10 we've managed to do. |
| 17:53.02 | Kirov | By a lot |
| 17:53.17 | Wraithan | I've never DPS'd on 3D |
| 17:53.19 | Wraithan | Only healed |
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| 17:53.22 | Tem|work | when ours is actually keeping aggro, Shad/Vesp are up together for short enough that Barkskin -> SI is enough before they die |
| 17:53.27 | Tem|work | god that sentence makes no sense |
| 17:53.32 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 17:53.37 | Wraithan | Lately I have been tank heals and we have others on raid heals |
| 17:53.41 | Tem|work | Barkskin -> SI is long enough |
| 17:53.47 | Wraithan | Finally get to try out healing way spec lol |
| 17:53.49 | Tem|work | and they aren't |
| 17:53.50 | Tem|work | fuck |
| 17:53.56 | Tem|work | Do you under stand what I'm saying? |
| 17:54.08 | Kirov | Our problem tends to be if we get two spawns of drake whelps, our add tank dies, so we blow hero on the first drake. |
| 17:54.13 | Tem|work | Ah yeah |
| 17:54.22 | Tem|work | we auto wipe if we get 2 waves of whelps |
| 17:54.28 | Wraithan | Yeah, we blow BL on first drake also |
| 17:54.34 | Tem|work | like I jump in the lava and start running to the door |
| 17:54.38 | Lunessa | Tem|work: I understand. It amazes me, but I understand. |
| 17:54.56 | Tem|work | Lunessa: :) |
| 17:55.26 | Kirov | But that means I'm killing whelps for the first half of the second drake (mage) and our faildps is on the second drake or running around with their heads cut off trying to single target dps whelps |
| 17:55.30 | durcyn | druids that can't properly tank drakes should be shot in the head, it's easier than breathing |
| 17:55.45 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: Hrm, even after having GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE trigger, I'm still getting nil data out of GetGuildInfo |
| 17:56.49 | Syzgyn | Tem|work: The best way to live is to jump into the portal and dont aggro anything :) |
| 17:57.14 | Tem|work | Syzgyn: that's an EXCELLENT idea |
| 17:57.19 | Tem|work | I'm totally doing that next time |
| 17:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | GetGuildInfo() doesn't do what you think it does |
| 17:57.29 | Syzgyn | You cant leave the main island though |
| 17:57.31 | Syzgyn | No? |
| 17:57.32 | Tem|work | GuildRoster() |
| 17:57.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 17:57.41 | Syzgyn | I called GuildRoster() |
| 17:57.50 | Syzgyn | then registered for the event |
| 17:57.53 | Syzgyn | then the event triggered |
| 17:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | GetGuildInfo() takes a unitid |
| 17:57.58 | Tem|work | Syzgyn: you can leave the main island, but when you do, he starts chucking 10k fireballs at you |
| 17:58.07 | Syzgyn | and GetGuildInfo("player") returned nil |
| 17:58.15 | Tem|work | but, really, I'm not scared of 10k fireballs when I regularly eat 40k breaths |
| 17:58.24 | Aelobin | Syzgyn: sec ill get the code i use |
| 17:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you trying to do? |
| 17:58.33 | Tem|work | AMS + self heals and I make it about half the time |
| 17:58.44 | Syzgyn | Tem|work: If you leave the island when in the portal it sometimes falls off you is all |
| 17:58.55 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: Get guild name and rank on login |
| 17:59.10 | Tem|work | oh |
| 17:59.17 | Tem|work | I've never actually been inside |
| 17:59.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetGuildRosterInfo |
| 17:59.22 | Lunessa | Syzgyn: The best way to get guild information to update at login is to register for PEW, then start a timer - like 30-45 seconds, then do the rest. |
| 17:59.23 | Syzgyn | :P |
| 17:59.36 | Syzgyn | Eugh timers |
| 17:59.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, the above will work with the event. |
| 18:00.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Fire the update function, wait for the event, enumerate the guild members with GetGuildRosterInfo() |
| 18:00.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy |
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| 18:00.33 | Syzgyn | So its just GetGuildInfo giving me crap then |
| 18:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | GetGuildInfo() isn't really made for self enumeration, but tooltips and such for other players |
| 18:00.39 | Syzgyn | gotcha |
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| 18:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | GetGuildInfo() takes a unitid, ie, target or mouseover |
| 18:01.07 | kneeki | Is there something in the API to check for the reagents required for a spell? By checking the spellName, not the actionID |
| 18:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | GetGuildRosterInfo() takes a numeric index |
| 18:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | (which you use to loop through the guild members) |
| 18:01.46 | Syzgyn | Right |
| 18:02.10 | Fisker- | https://us.battle.net/account/_images/game-space/S2.jpg <-lulz |
| 18:02.19 | Aelobin | i just do http://pastey.net/111587 for getting guild name/info on login |
| 18:02.28 | Aelobin | never got GuildRoster() to successfully get me the info on login |
| 18:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | What Lunessa mentioned may work if you encounter issues, as chances are good that the data will be around by then |
| 18:02.52 | Aelobin | to Syzgyn btw :P |
| 18:02.57 | Syzgyn | Thanks |
| 18:03.53 | Fisker- | btw nevcairiel |
| 18:04.00 | Fisker- | if those eu account merges don't show up soon i'll cut ya |
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| 18:05.08 | Lunessa | kneeki: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellInfo apprently doesn't have it, so maybe scan the tooltip. :( |
| 18:05.52 | kneeki | Lunessa: Dang =( |
| 18:05.59 | tekkub | kneeki: there's few reagent spells, you're better off just hardcoding them |
| 18:06.18 | kneeki | tekkub: That's what I'm doing now, but there are actually quite a bit =\ |
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| 18:06.53 | Lunessa | Yeah, a small handful. Water Walking, Water Breathing, Reincarnation, Blessing of Kings, etc... not more than like a couple dozen. |
| 18:07.28 | kneeki | nearly 50 total for all classes combined |
| 18:07.43 | kneeki | but, it's not a huge deal. I was just making sure that I wasn't doing it the hard way |
| 18:07.44 | tekkub | when you factor in ranks, yea |
| 18:07.57 | kneeki | no, no ranks |
| 18:08.09 | kneeki | mages alone have tons of spells that require reagents |
| 18:08.14 | kneeki | same with warlocks |
| 18:09.15 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: boo |
| 18:09.25 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: hiss! |
| 18:11.35 | foxlit | anything in particular? |
| 18:15.30 | Lunessa | My traveling companion is nine years old; he's the child of my first marriage. |
| 18:15.52 | End | lol http://www.wowtcgdb.com/images/medium/alamo.jpg |
| 18:16.25 | Syzgyn | Hahah nice |
| 18:16.46 | Lunessa | End: BEAR R 4 TNAK, CAT R $ FITE |
| 18:17.43 | End | indeed |
| 18:17.55 | Tem|work | SUM BAER CAN B 4 TANK |
| 18:18.37 | Lunessa | That card image makes me wonder if the WoW CCG is any fun. |
| 18:18.48 | End | no idea |
| 18:18.57 | End | I was just looking at some of the artwork :P |
| 18:19.28 | Tem|work | Lunessa: it seems okay |
| 18:19.39 | Tem|work | I played a single match with the cards I got at blizzcon a while back |
| 18:19.45 | Tem|work | we didn't fully understand the rules |
| 18:19.46 | Lunessa | If you like that sort of thing? |
| 18:19.57 | Tem|work | aye |
| 18:19.58 | tekkub | Lunessa: you could do like I did when I have star trek cards... |
| 18:20.13 | Tem|work | tekkub: you basement dwelling mouthbreather |
| 18:20.17 | tekkub | never play the game, but obsessvley sort the cards |
| 18:20.26 | Tem|work | star trek cards just put you on a lower level of nerd |
| 18:20.35 | Lunessa | Hey now. I was an M:tG player long ago. |
| 18:20.40 | Tem|work | too >< |
| 18:20.43 | tekkub | hey I wal like 10 :P |
| 18:20.53 | Lunessa | I wasn't. :P |
| 18:20.53 | tekkub | after TNG ended I kinda lost interest |
| 18:21.00 | Tem|work | Engage |
| 18:21.45 | Lunessa | "PvP as an enh shaman is like..bringing a flamethrower to a gun fight, sure it might not be the most effective weapon, but DAMN is it fun! " |
| 18:21.49 | tekkub | and no, I never got into MTG, cause I never actually played the damn card games |
| 18:22.38 | Lunessa | I played M:tG for like, a year - and I collected massive numbers of cards. Then lost interest completely. |
| 18:22.50 | Tem|work | speaking of children's card games, Yu-Gi-Oh abridged is about the funniest thing I've ever seen on the interwebs |
| 18:25.28 | Lunessa | Is this my problem? Is this my fault? If that's the way it's going to be, gonna call the whole thing to a halt. |
| 18:28.43 | foxlit | What happens if you have a circular dependency specified in addon .toc files? |
| 18:28.43 | Tem|work | Lunessa: |
| 18:28.44 | Tem|work | ? |
| 18:28.59 | Tem|work | god kills a kitten |
| 18:29.10 | End | a kitten kills god |
| 18:29.28 | foxlit | ~End++ |
| 18:29.38 | Tem|work | In Mother Russia, water summons Mage! |
| 18:29.40 | End | please, think of your god before you introduce circular depdencies |
| 18:29.55 | foxlit | c'thun or yogg? |
| 18:30.03 | foxlit | ~End ++ |
| 18:30.04 | End | choose your flavor |
| 18:30.08 | foxlit | (or how does that actually work?) |
| 18:30.24 | End | ~karma End |
| 18:30.24 | purl | end has karma of 1 |
| 18:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | No space |
| 18:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But it doesn't say anything when you do it |
| 18:30.25 | End | no purl? |
| 18:30.27 | End | there we go |
| 18:30.46 | End | ~karma purl |
| 18:30.46 | purl | purl has karma of 31 |
| 18:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ~End ++ |
| 18:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma end |
| 18:30.52 | purl | end has karma of 1 |
| 18:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah no space |
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| 18:31.27 | Tem|work | ~karma tem |
| 18:31.27 | purl | tem has karma of 6 |
| 18:31.40 | ArrowmasterClass | grr the school xp cd images for use with vmware wont take my xp corp key =( |
| 18:31.45 | End | ~karma Fisker- |
| 18:31.45 | purl | fisker- has karma of -10 |
| 18:31.51 | End | not low enough |
| 18:31.52 | Tem|work | lol |
| 18:31.54 | Olison | :-D |
| 18:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:31.57 | End | ~Fisker--- |
| 18:32.09 | kamdis | ~Fisker--- |
| 18:32.15 | Aelobin | when doing SendWho() is there a way to search for "guildless" i tried g-"" but it didnt work |
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| 18:33.27 | End | I don't think you can (g-"" would just search for guilds containing an empty string, wouldn't?) |
| 18:33.39 | Aelobin | aye =/ |
| 18:37.07 | foxlit | Can the same Lua script be run twice during addon loading? |
| 18:37.24 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 18:37.33 | End | what do you mean, run twice? you mean if you put it in the toc twice? |
| 18:37.35 | ScytheBlade1 | How hard it breaks, if it breaks, depends on the script |
| 18:37.49 | foxlit | Or if you include it from xml |
| 18:38.10 | foxlit | Come to think of *that*, what happens if you recurse xml includes? |
| 18:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | They will all be loaded as told |
| 18:39.00 | foxlit | No, I mean more along the lines of |
| 18:39.15 | foxlit | A.xml: <Include file="B.xml" /> B.xml: <Include file="A.xml"/> |
| 18:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll lock the client up? |
| 18:39.33 | foxlit | Or will I. |
| 18:39.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Go try! |
| 18:40.03 | foxlit | cba! |
| 18:40.30 | foxlit | I'd have to restart the client and everything |
| 18:41.35 | kneeki | Wow... That's weird. Buttons 1-12 get my onUpdate code, but 13+ do not. |
| 18:42.20 | ArrowmasterClass | it likely wont lock up |
| 18:42.46 | ArrowmasterClass | i caused a bug in beta where an addon kept loading itself with LoadAddOn() and it didnt lockup the client, it just overflowed after a while |
| 18:43.15 | foxlit | I'm relatively sure that recursion isn't free of charge. |
| 18:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That is an addon loading itself though, not an addon component being self-referential |
| 18:43.25 | foxlit | So they'll just run out of stack space eventually |
| 18:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | directly self-referential, that is |
| 18:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | LoadAddOn() can only be called once the addon is actually loaded, or at a minimum fully parsed |
| 18:44.19 | ScytheBlade1 | The XML example there would trigger before that could even happen |
| 18:44.22 | ArrowmasterClass | ScytheBlade1: not in beta |
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| 18:49.51 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 18:49.57 | kd3 | they're pulling the equipment manager |
| 18:50.26 | nevcairiel | yeah :( |
| 18:50.32 | Shadowed | I still don't understand why |
| 18:50.39 | nevcairiel | didnt pass QA |
| 18:50.45 | Adys | kd3: ? |
| 18:50.57 | Shadowed | it's being pushed back to a future patch |
| 18:50.59 | cog|sleep | chuckles at all the people who said good riddance to outfitter |
| 18:51.13 | nevcairiel | cogwheel: its not gone, just delayed |
| 18:51.13 | Adys | why are they? |
| 18:51.15 | Shadowed | points out that theres still other item equipment mods |
| 18:51.17 | Shadowed | they didn't say |
| 18:51.19 | Adys | right |
| 18:51.20 | kd3 | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/16137214236-equipment-manager-update.html |
| 18:51.22 | Shadowed | The only real issue I remember is the prismatic gem handling thought |
| 18:51.32 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: yeah... it'll be months before they see it :P |
| 18:52.04 | nevcairiel | didn't the outfitter guys remove it before blizzard had a chance to make them obsolete, anyway? |
| 18:52.29 | Shirik | yawns |
| 18:52.39 | Shirik | tackles Lop |
| 18:52.39 | Shirik | oh she's not here |
| 18:52.45 | Shirik | um |
| 18:52.45 | nevcairiel | tab-fail |
| 18:52.49 | Shirik | blah |
| 18:52.51 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: that was my point... a bunch of people came on the forums to say things like "Good riddance. We don't need it anymore anyway" |
| 18:52.54 | cogwheel | etc |
| 18:52.58 | Shadowed | still don't! |
| 18:53.07 | Shadowed | I wonder if they're going to remove the actual functions, or just make it not exposed |
| 18:53.13 | foxlit | meh |
| 18:53.28 | foxlit | It's just going to be changed to "Good riddance. We've got other addons, so hah!" |
| 18:53.31 | End | probably just unexpose them |
| 18:53.37 | Shadowed | won't matter then |
| 18:53.41 | Shadowed | day after 3.1, someone exposes it |
| 18:53.49 | cogwheel | foxlit: i find that more acceptable :P |
| 18:54.20 | End | although, I'm not sure what they normally do in this position |
| 18:54.24 | nevcairiel | equipmanager > any mod anyway, it can store the stuff serverside, i want to see some mod doing that! =) |
| 18:54.35 | End | you could |
| 18:54.36 | Shadowed | they can |
| 18:54.37 | Shadowed | GUILD MOTD |
| 18:54.38 | End | but it'd be nasty |
| 18:54.41 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 18:54.51 | Shadowed | I should make a library that stores data on the server using friend notes |
| 18:54.53 | foxlit | guild player notes would be better, then |
| 18:54.58 | Shadowed | that would randomly /who and add people for extra space |
| 18:54.59 | End | or macros |
| 18:55.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:55.05 | foxlit | But hey, you've also got actionbar layouts and so on |
| 18:55.11 | Shadowed | pretty sure friend notes data persists even if you crash? |
| 18:55.16 | End | although, people actually use macros |
| 18:55.20 | durcyn | why? just store it in server-side macros |
| 18:55.25 | Shadowed | resets if you crash |
| 18:55.29 | End | I don't use any of my friend notes! |
| 18:55.39 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: so do any lua settings |
| 18:55.48 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 18:55.54 | Shadowed | fair |
| 18:56.15 | Lunessa | ~karma Lunessa |
| 18:56.15 | purl | lunessa has karma of 3 |
| 18:56.22 | Lunessa | Yay me. |
| 18:58.37 | cogwheel | ~lunessa++ |
| 18:58.41 | Wraithan | http://blag.xkcd.com/2009/04/03/what-happened-to-my-laptop/ |
| 18:58.46 | Wraithan | haha that is one horrible day/week |
| 18:58.54 | Lunessa | Thanks cog. I was just curious. :) |
| 18:59.17 | jnwhiteh | phyber: LuaSec available via luarocks now |
| 19:00.02 | foxlit | luasocks, where are you? :( |
| 19:00.21 | Adys | # I go to edit the cookies file in emacs, and get a message that emacs can’t start. Uh-oh. |
| 19:00.23 | Adys | will teach him |
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| 19:02.42 | Lunessa | Haha, this is why a regular system level back up is a good thing. |
| 19:02.53 | AckisWork | hah! I bet you thought I was a SPAMBOT! kekeke |
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| 19:05.29 | Lunessa | No, but I'm beginning to suspect you require medication. |
| 19:06.08 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/92557869 |
| 19:06.22 | phyber | jnwhiteh: cool. I just installed the debian packag :) |
| 19:06.31 | phyber | +e |
| 19:06.38 | jnwhiteh | I went to apply your patch and test it, and saw there wasn't one so i made it :p |
| 19:06.43 | AckisWork | Lunessa: I'm on medication already! :P |
| 19:06.44 | Shirik | I'm really confused by that post Wraithan |
| 19:06.47 | phyber | hehe |
| 19:06.55 | Shirik | By #15 I would have just decided to reinstall the system |
| 19:06.58 | Wraithan | Shirik: haha why? |
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| 19:19.03 | Kraps | wow keeps locking up /sigh |
| 19:19.25 | Kirov | Kraps - Use carbonite? |
| 19:19.43 | Kraps | yes is that a new thing? |
| 19:20.08 | Kirov | 3.0 (and supposedly 3.001) are broken |
| 19:21.25 | Adys | i thought it was QH supposed to make wow crash |
| 19:22.05 | kamdis | wow, glad i didn't update carbonite last night |
| 19:22.08 | Kirov | Adys - QH crashes wow, Carbonite locks it up |
| 19:22.17 | Kirov | Infinite loop someplace. |
| 19:22.19 | Kraps | the newest is 3.001? |
| 19:22.24 | Kirov | yes |
| 19:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf, shooting rampage in NY |
| 19:23.26 | Kraps | birmingham |
| 19:24.13 | kamdis | binghamton not birmingham :P |
| 19:24.26 | Kraps | ...whatevs |
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| 19:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I told a friend about that |
| 19:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "... I see ..." |
| 19:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "It's a good thing they have millions of people" |
| 19:28.50 | Lunessa | ... Hard to care about people we're not directly connected to. :( |
| 19:29.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but still |
| 19:30.56 | Vonhinten | Glad I bought a Sig last year... world has gone crazy |
| 19:31.25 | Vonhinten | Time to go after my conceiled carry license |
| 19:31.33 | nevcairiel | world? the US isnt the world :P |
| 19:31.44 | kd3 | meh |
| 19:31.50 | kd3 | glances at his airsoft P238 |
| 19:32.00 | Vonhinten | was like a couple weeks ago there was a school shooting in germany, ta hell it's not the world :) |
| 19:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 19:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a few friends getting their concealed weapons permit this week |
| 19:32.29 | ScytheBlade1 | actually they already got it |
| 19:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | tuesday iirc |
| 19:32.45 | nevcairiel | They should ban weapons, and people would have a real hard time getting them for those things |
| 19:32.57 | kamdis | Vonhinten, Sig you say? |
| 19:32.59 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 19:33.06 | kamdis | I have one also :) |
| 19:33.07 | ScytheBlade1 | then again I live in utah so |
| 19:33.08 | nevcairiel | school shootings? Parents always had them for "sport" |
| 19:33.11 | Vonhinten | kamdis, indeed, p226r |
| 19:33.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Guns are everywhere |
| 19:33.20 | Vonhinten | 40 cal |
| 19:33.22 | kamdis | ah, p239 here |
| 19:33.25 | kamdis | 9mm |
| 19:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | man, kamdis is packin' heat yo |
| 19:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Remind me never to agitate you ;) |
| 19:33.53 | kamdis | lol |
| 19:34.04 | kamdis | I take it very seriously. I don't wave my gun around. :P |
| 19:34.13 | kamdis | No one who really is into guns does. |
| 19:34.15 | Vonhinten | 239 the one with changeable caliber? |
| 19:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently Utah is the only state to allow guns on college campus |
| 19:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Which I find both awesome and scary |
| 19:34.42 | cog|book | imagine how quickly school shootings would end if more people were allowed to carry guns... |
| 19:34.43 | kamdis | don't think so, Vonhinten. It's the one designed by female law enforcement officers, so it's smaller. |
| 19:34.54 | Vonhinten | ah, conceiled carry version |
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| 19:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|book: if you remember the trolley square shooting not long ago, a big part of the reason the shooter didn't get more people is because a bystander had a gun on him |
| 19:35.41 | Vonhinten | cog, yeah... no kidding eh... |
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| 19:36.28 | kamdis | Recompense! <3 |
| 19:36.34 | nevcairiel | I better don't get into how wrong that sounds |
| 19:36.41 | Recompense | Hey there Kamdis :) |
| 19:36.49 | cog|book | Hey! |
| 19:37.19 | Recompense | Ahoy, Cog |
| 19:37.43 | Vonhinten | best case: shooter gets taken down by someone carrying. worse case: shooter knows people are carrying and the ones carrying are priority targets, meaning if you're not carrying, you're still safer. |
| 19:37.45 | Lunessa | An armed society is a polite society. |
| 19:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 19:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Polite is a word for it, yes |
| 19:38.10 | foxlit | corpses are *very* polite :) |
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| 19:38.25 | Kirov | I honestly think it'd just even out. If more people carried guns, one or two people would get shot more frequently, and the "big events" would be reduced. |
| 19:38.29 | Vonhinten | Not when they're rudely bleeding all over the place |
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| 19:38.49 | Dagmar | I bet those guys getting shot more frequently would whine like babies. |
| 19:38.56 | cog|book | ^ |
| 19:39.07 | Lunessa | You're far less likely to aggravate or threaten violence if everyone can respond in kind. It's true. |
| 19:39.21 | Dagmar | But seriously, twice in the past in the US someone was about to go on a spree and they were stopped by someone with a CCW permit |
| 19:39.37 | cog|book | handgun bans are like sticking "Hey criminals! come in! we're unarmed" signs in your front yard |
| 19:39.47 | Dagmar | I has swords. |
| 19:39.58 | Vonhinten | knife to gun fight |
| 19:40.06 | Dagmar | Knife that can stab you through doors. |
| 19:40.06 | ScytheBlade1 | My uncle, who died about a month and a half ago |
| 19:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Was a gun collector |
| 19:40.13 | Lunessa | And I happen to honestly believe that an unarmed citizenry is more aptly known by the term "subjects." |
| 19:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It was... a sight to open his closet, look up |
| 19:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And see several classic handguns |
| 19:40.32 | Dagmar | ...but the important thing is that if I drop the katana (like that'll happen) it won't go off and stab the neighbor two doors over |
| 19:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And then a few semi-automatic assult rifles |
| 19:40.45 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i prefer "Target" myself |
| 19:40.54 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Also apt. |
| 19:40.57 | Vonhinten | lol dagmar, you could drop a sig right on a cocked hammer and it wouldn't go off |
| 19:41.01 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Did you check the attic? |
| 19:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: best be simple, it is a good policy |
| 19:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: no attic |
| 19:41.31 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Friend of mine in high school's next door neighbor was what you'd call a "gun nut". |
| 19:41.31 | Thunder_Child | indeed ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:41.45 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Downstairs part of his house looked like he was a "collector" |
| 19:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 19:42.03 | Lunessa | Mao Tse-Tung said: "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - True, and I wish more people understood that. |
| 19:42.18 | Dagmar | Go into the attic and you'd see why the fire dept had a standing order *from him* to just let the place burn if the attic catches |
| 19:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 19:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome |
| 19:42.48 | Dagmar | He had a LOT of guns stored (properly) in the attic |
| 19:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | My uncle had some ammo around but not a lot |
| 19:42.55 | Dagmar | ...and smmo for them. |
| 19:43.27 | durcyn | yeah, the fire department isn't really equipped to deal with secondary explosions from house fires |
| 19:43.29 | Thunder_Child | "God made us all, but guns make us all equal" |
| 19:43.40 | Lunessa | I read a story about someone who moved into an apartment and discovered an RPG in the bathtub. |
| 19:43.59 | Dagmar | The fun thing is that he was simply retired. His wife still worked for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations. She made little ceramic angels as a hobby. |
| 19:45.33 | Dagmar | When the man passed away, the Sherriff actually came out to see the horde itemized |
| 19:45.40 | Dagmar | s/horde/hoard/; |
| 19:45.45 | kamdis | good luck getting ammo these days |
| 19:45.51 | kamdis | everything is sold out |
| 19:45.59 | kamdis | takes months |
| 19:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Gun nuts really like utah... from our state laws, "Unless specifically authorized by the Legislature by statute, a local authority or state entity may not enact or enforce any ordinance, regulation, or rule pertaining to firearms." |
| 19:46.46 | Dagmar | ...and wives. |
| 19:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:46.58 | Dagmar | Oh and *porn* |
| 19:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | old, outdated joke is old and outdated |
| 19:47.12 | Dagmar | Utah is the #1 consumer of online porn in the US. |
| 19:47.14 | Dagmar | Go figure. |
| 19:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And prescription depression-related drugs |
| 19:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | And it is up there for meth too |
| 19:47.50 | NeoTron | and bullet wound covers! |
| 19:48.19 | Dagmar | That makes it sound like they're making styptic doilies. |
| 19:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | but yeah, having a law that expressly forbids anyone from preventing people from taking guns onto their property |
| 19:50.22 | Dagmar | You guys probably saw the footage of that failed hom invasion from a month or three ago didn't you? |
| 19:51.40 | Aelobin | is it possible to keybind left+right mouse (normally used for running forward) to strafe right? |
| 19:51.43 | Dagmar | Heavily armed guys get out of the car, start to go in, one heavily armed homeowner starts shooting at them, they all leave |
| 19:52.41 | Cairenn | Notes for authors on WoWI http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21689 Flags are reset to show for 3.1 now, changes to our Upload/Update Rules & Disclaimer |
| 19:52.48 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/03/funny-pictures-up-bez-ur-prince/ |
| 19:53.58 | kamdis | Dagmar, was that the one that was caught on the homeowner's video camera system? |
| 19:54.02 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 19:54.06 | kamdis | yeah. |
| 19:54.19 | kamdis | i had 2 initial thoughts on that |
| 19:54.37 | kamdis | 1) i was glad i didn't own the house across the street and 2) i need video cameras at my house. |
| 19:55.10 | Lunessa | kamdis: Just makes sure the firewall between them and the net is very strong. :P |
| 19:55.50 | Dagmar | Use Novell IPX to get the images out of the camera system. |
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| 19:55.59 | Dagmar | That way any self-respecting hacker will just walk away. |
| 19:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | where is this video? |
| 19:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm all curious |
| 19:57.03 | Aelobin | hmm is it actually possible to keybind left/right mouse? |
| 19:57.04 | Dagmar | http://www.google.com/search?q=homeowner+shoots+back+at+home+invaders |
| 19:57.06 | Dagmar | First hit. |
| 19:57.13 | Dagmar | Aelobin: I don't think so |
| 19:57.18 | Aelobin | :< |
| 19:57.27 | Lunessa | This makes me laugh: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24906.jpg |
| 19:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ tire rubber on the driveway |
| 20:00.21 | Dagmar | Yeah, they didn't mess around with the fleeing |
| 20:00.25 | Recompense | Lunessa: I don't get it |
| 20:00.27 | kamdis | the part that really amuses me is that they pulled their car into his driveway |
| 20:00.35 | kamdis | very clever criminals |
| 20:00.42 | kamdis | lol |
| 20:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah no kidding |
| 20:00.55 | Lunessa | Recompense: Not a Warlock. Not Patchwerk. |
| 20:01.09 | kamdis | I don't get the patchwerks part |
| 20:01.11 | kamdis | -s |
| 20:01.17 | Recompense | I can read, but... Patchwerk is not that hard? |
| 20:01.18 | Lunessa | It's a warlock mod. |
| 20:01.23 | kamdis | the warlock part i get, because of the drain soul msg |
| 20:01.53 | Lunessa | Designed to tell warlocks "Drain Soul now, the mob is at 25%" |
| 20:02.04 | Lunessa | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12971-Twentyfive.html |
| 20:02.13 | kamdis | right, but what does that have to do with patchwerk? |
| 20:04.11 | Lunessa | Nothing much in patricular, except it's funny. |
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| 20:08.06 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:09.01 | Kraps | when i get the "resting" symbol in TG what does it mean? |
| 20:09.20 | Spellbinder | my main http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/Spellbinder_album/Screens_Game/miuff.jpg |
| 20:10.06 | durcyn | Kraps: set your hearth |
| 20:10.16 | kamdis | What durcyn said |
| 20:10.18 | Kraps | mk |
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| 20:13.26 | Kraps | locked up again |
| 20:14.12 | End | AV needs tenacity imo |
| 20:14.34 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:14.36 | End | we had 20 people to their 40, and that seemed like a lot for us |
| 20:14.49 | End | (we did get about 30 people before the battle ended...) |
| 20:15.58 | End | holy crap, 25 people at start this time |
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| 20:17.51 | kamdis | Are you alliance or horde, End? |
| 20:17.54 | End | horde |
| 20:18.22 | kamdis | boo |
| 20:18.29 | kamdis | boo to not getting enough i mean |
| 20:18.31 | kamdis | not boo horde |
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| 20:26.03 | cogwheel | ahhh... Mountain Dew, quesadilla, disco, and a screen full of source code... What more can a geek like me ask for? |
| 20:26.16 | kd3 | disco? |
| 20:26.19 | cogwheel | s/a screen/2 screens/ |
| 20:26.36 | cogwheel | kd3: you know... the type of music? |
| 20:26.37 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:26.44 | kd3 | >.> |
| 20:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ...... disco? |
| 20:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 20:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | and now to never talk to cog again |
| 20:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 20:27.22 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:29.54 | Spellbinder | dun dun dun dun |
| 20:30.02 | Spellbinder | he's out there |
| 20:30.12 | Spellbinder | da da da dadada |
| 20:30.21 | Spellbinder | luite |
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| 20:39.20 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCAjmuA1HDk |
| 20:39.40 | kamdis | boggies. |
| 20:39.42 | kamdis | err |
| 20:39.45 | kamdis | boogies |
| 20:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:44.10 | Fisker- | scores ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:44.11 | cogwheel | gg world server down less than a second after logging in >< |
| 20:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 20:44.12 | Fisker- | doesn't sound like gg to me |
| 20:44.32 | cogwheel | i've never heard "gg" used in a non-sarcastic manner |
| 20:44.37 | cogwheel | so stfu imo |
| 20:44.39 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:44.53 | Fisker- | i hate chrome |
| 20:44.55 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Disco was the shizzle back in the day. |
| 20:45.56 | Fisker- | for example if you double click on the "eu" in eu.battle.net it highlights "eu." so you want to go to us.battle.net instead and you type "us." because "eu." was highlighted, but even though the . is highlighted it leaves it alone causing one to go to "us..batle.net" |
| 20:45.58 | Fisker- | fffuu |
| 20:46.02 | Lunessa | The sexual revolution was in full swing and straight men with lots of hair, high voices, and effeminate mannerisms were kings of the world. |
| 20:46.10 | cogwheel | funny thing is a lot of it is still the shizzle... much of today's R&B is just remixes of old disco & funk |
| 20:46.38 | cogwheel | with more sex & violence (well, more violence anyway... disco had a LOT of sex) |
| 20:47.00 | Lunessa | hey, I had a lot of Bee Gees records back in the day. That's right kiddies RECORDS. On Vinyl! |
| 20:47.13 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: your MOM had a lot of sex |
| 20:47.22 | Fisker- | no YOUR mom |
| 20:47.37 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: truism is true |
| 20:47.38 | Lunessa | Umm... everyone's mom had sex. DUH. |
| 20:48.02 | kamdis | D'oh! "This email is to inform you that our External DNS provider is recovering from several DOS attacks on their systems which have resulted in the loss of our internet presence. |
| 20:48.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, i never said it was false. ;) |
| 20:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: :( |
| 20:48.30 | kamdis | too bad i won't be getting any more emails |
| 20:48.36 | kamdis | maybe i should go home and play wow |
| 20:48.37 | cogwheel | it's not possible for it to be false though... "mom" is just another way of saying "female who had sex and produced an offspring" |
| 20:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 20:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | maybe! |
| 20:48.42 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blcvkFqeKac |
| 20:48.53 | Fisker- | cogs mom never had sex :( |
| 20:48.57 | kneeki | Ugh, I wish I could get Carbonite to not mutilate the default minimap so horribly |
| 20:49.01 | Fisker- | She was artificially inseminated |
| 20:49.04 | Fisker- | or whatever it's called |
| 20:49.06 | kamdis | your "mom" could have adopted you and never had sex |
| 20:49.13 | kamdis | s/your/one's |
| 20:49.48 | Lunessa | ... Or she could be Marry Magadaline. |
| 20:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *Mary |
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| 20:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | But close enough |
| 20:51.14 | Lunessa | I'm a pretty poor typist. |
| 20:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/04/first-look-fedora-11-beta-shows-promise.ars - check out that picture |
| 20:52.13 | kd3 | lmao |
| 20:52.13 | toptop18 | Someone here has some knowledge about using two screens? |
| 20:52.44 | Fisker- | haha it's funny because they replaced f with ph |
| 20:52.48 | Fisker- | murders ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:54.03 | toptop18 | Cause i need to know if you get two taskbars and can run WoW on the first while doing something else on the second screen |
| 20:56.16 | Lunessa | toptop18: www.dual-boxing.com |
| 20:56.24 | Fisker- | good night sweet prince |
| 20:56.32 | Lunessa | Or do you mean a second monitor? |
| 20:57.10 | Arrowmaster | there are still people that use computers with only one monitor? |
| 20:58.38 | Fisker- | There are still people that use computers with more than one monitor? |
| 21:02.31 | Kraps | rofl lockup torture |
| 21:03.22 | Kraps | and it resets TG to the last time i logged |
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| 21:12.34 | Vonhinten | ptr down :| |
| 21:12.47 | Kraps | are you sure the the latest version of carbonite has the same problem? |
| 21:13.35 | Recompense | Anyone in SoCal know where to find decent jobs for smart people that are really quick to learn and have excellent work ethics? :-p |
| 21:20.27 | cogwheel | Recompense: temp agency? I got my current job through AccountTemps. day 1: menial office monkey... day 30: their new it guy, DBA, website developer, etc. etc. |
| 21:21.55 | Recompense | Cogwheel: I've thought about that, but I'm lacking hard experience in a lot of things that would put me in a position to move upward... I'm smart, but haven't had formal schooling in anything tech- or computer-related, which is where I'd love to be |
| 21:21.58 | Recompense | Worth a shot though |
| 21:22.04 | cogwheel | ditto |
| 21:22.06 | cogwheel | :) |
| 21:22.22 | cogwheel | my highest completed education was an A+ certificate |
| 21:22.43 | cogwheel | though i've taken a few miscellaneous comp sci courses at the local junior college |
| 21:23.14 | Recompense | Huh, that's... really surprising, given what little I know about you |
| 21:24.53 | kamdis | cog's from the school of hard knocks, yo |
| 21:24.57 | kamdis | ;-) |
| 21:24.58 | cogwheel | word! |
| 21:25.16 | cogwheel | and even with that, i'm only 3 tests and a loan away from law school |
| 21:25.36 | cog|movie | bbl |
| 21:25.57 | Recompense | Now if only I could go back to school AND still manage to pay rent... |
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| 21:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | A 1080 movie on a proper 1080 screen is amazing |
| 21:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | That makes startlingly awesome sense, ScytheBlade1. |
| 21:27.40 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 21:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have a 1080 monitor |
| 21:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And just recently got a decent computer attached to the TV |
| 21:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh. That makes even more sense then. |
| 21:28.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
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| 21:33.53 | Shirik | taclkes Lopeppeppy |
| 21:34.05 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik. |
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| 21:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Friday, dear. |
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| 21:36.42 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 that was one of the more surreal things i've seen |
| 21:37.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm doing some online banking stuff on WaMu's site, and it goes down with a message "our services our currently unavailable.. etc etc", so I go do something else for a few minute.. |
| 21:37.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I come back, log in, and the site is totally different. They seriously just completely upgraded their online banking in that time. I'm vaguely impressed |
| 21:38.09 | durcyn | NHTS, isn't that because of the Chase takeover? |
| 21:38.25 | Lopeppeppy | smells a plot! Conficker! |
| 21:38.29 | Shirik | I had a friend who worked for a similar type of company, NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:38.35 | Shirik | he had to do that a lot |
| 21:38.39 | Shirik | so he set up this awesome new system |
| 21:38.39 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: yeah, it was. It was just totally surreal to -watch- the upgrade happen, so to speak |
| 21:38.47 | Shirik | he bought 2 lava lamps, one green and one red |
| 21:39.00 | Shirik | every night, they did a nigthly integration on the test website |
| 21:39.13 | Shirik | Whenever the green lava lamp is on, it's safe to move the test site to the live site |
| 21:39.20 | Shirik | whenever the red lava lamp is on, it's broken |
| 21:39.32 | Shirik | And the cool part: These lava lamps are controlled by software, not humans |
| 21:39.53 | kamdis | hahaha |
| 21:40.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that's pretty badass |
| 21:40.46 | Shirik | I thought so too :P |
| 21:40.57 | Vonhinten | what's the deal with the minions on Emalon? |
| 21:41.14 | Shadowed | thats amazing |
| 21:41.18 | durcyn | Vonhinten: you offtank them until he empowers one, then you kill it before it explodes and gibs the raid |
| 21:43.09 | Angelnorn | lua question, is it possible to determine if a sound file exists before trying to play it? |
| 21:43.19 | Shirik | not in WoW |
| 21:43.32 | Angelnorn | sadface |
| 21:43.47 | foxlit | You might be able to, actually |
| 21:43.49 | alestane | Will it throw an error if it doesn't? |
| 21:43.52 | Lunessa | We have no access to disk i/o :( |
| 21:43.55 | Legorol | nope alestane |
| 21:44.04 | Legorol | if it did, that'd be a way to perform input into WoW |
| 21:44.16 | Vonhinten | one person offtanks minions? |
| 21:44.22 | Legorol | do a loop that checks for file existence, create/delete the file(s) outside WoW to convey a message |
| 21:44.23 | Vonhinten | how do you target the proper minion? |
| 21:44.46 | foxlit | That won't work, Lego. |
| 21:45.20 | foxlit | It shouldn't let you access a file that wasn't there before. |
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| 21:46.02 | Shirik | you assume that the system would work that way |
| 21:46.11 | Shirik | which I think it a reasonable, but uncertain assumption |
| 21:46.25 | foxlit | Thought one of the Play* functions had a return value |
| 21:46.30 | foxlit | apparently they don't |
| 21:46.59 | Angelnorn | i looked at those. one always returns nil, and the other always returns 1 |
| 21:47.11 | End | guh |
| 21:47.16 | End | WoW chose a terrible time to lag |
| 21:47.55 | Shirik | End: Stop requesting the RANDOMLY LOSE option |
| 21:48.13 | End | I wasn't trying to lose! |
| 21:48.14 | Shirik | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc748.html |
| 21:48.21 | End | I was trying solo slave pens! |
| 21:48.40 | End | well, now I can't login at all |
| 21:48.53 | End | I mean, to my realm specifically |
| 21:49.14 | *** join/#wowuidev JerekDain (n=JerekDai@71-82-124-81.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 21:49.23 | End | there we go |
| 21:49.26 | End | I bet I'm dead |
| 21:49.47 | Lunessa | End: So, the end is here? |
| 21:49.53 | End | The end is dead! |
| 21:49.58 | Thunder_Child | lol Shirik |
| 21:50.00 | End | it's a deadend |
| 21:50.19 | Lunessa | Shirik: That's awesome. |
| 21:51.16 | End | apparently I can blame comcast |
| 21:51.35 | Lunessa | End: Are you sure you're not just pining for the fjords? |
| 21:51.47 | End | I might be |
| 21:52.11 | Lunessa | And do you prefer kipin' on your back? |
| 21:52.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@host217-43-240-104.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:52.53 | Tem|work | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3b28418595f1d6aec69c70fc56533c57.PNG |
| 21:52.53 | Tem|work | I weep |
| 21:53.19 | Lunessa | Tem|work: Need context |
| 21:53.22 | End | ^ |
| 21:53.39 | Lunessa | You weep 'cause the theme song thread is 25 pages? |
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| 21:57.35 | Tem|work | PRO-TIP: " |
| 21:57.45 | Tem|work | DK's" IS NOT THE PLURAL OF "DK" |
| 21:59.49 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out. I'll see you guys some time later this weekend. Depends on my anger levels get over the "why are you a goddamned healer" comments get. |
| 21:59.54 | Lunessa | ciao. |
| 22:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Lunessa. |
| 22:04.45 | Tem|work | heading home yay |
| 22:04.48 | Tem|work | bed time :) |
| 22:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well Tem. |
| 22:05.52 | foxlit | I wonder how WoW dragons manage to form elaborate english sentences at the same time as breathing fire in your face. |
| 22:06.13 | kd3 | a wizard did it? |
| 22:06.51 | NightHawkTheSane | is watching this "tutorial" video for quickbooks, and realizes how stupid it actually sounds when you pronounce the X in OS X as a letter |
| 22:07.40 | Shefki | You're actually using an Intuit product on the Mac? |
| 22:08.07 | kamdis | Tem, if I had a penny for every time someone on the internet uses a contraction instead of a plural I'd be as rich as Oprah. |
| 22:08.23 | End | well, that's fun |
| 22:08.24 | kamdis | dang it |
| 22:08.28 | kamdis | I missed him. |
| 22:08.29 | End | I'm D/Cing again |
| 22:08.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Shefki: not yet, I'm toying around with a few different things, to see what I like, what works, and what i can stomach. :P |
| 22:08.46 | |Jelly| | tattoo's |
| 22:09.01 | kamdis | growls at |Jelly|, and not in a good way. |
| 22:09.08 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 22:09.13 | kamdis | <3 |
| 22:09.32 | Shefki | I run their stuff virtualized because Intuit can't seem to make a decent Mac version. :( |
| 22:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shefki: that's something I'm beginning to realize. |
| 22:13.00 | p3lim | hm is there some api to easily find out the itemID of an equipped item? |
| 22:13.13 | tekkub | grab it's link |
| 22:13.46 | p3lim | GetInventoryItemLink ? |
| 22:13.47 | alestane | match the item:(%d+) part. |
| 22:14.12 | tekkub | TLDR http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=124017&postcount=700 |
| 22:18.58 | foxlit | "when people such as Cogwheel, have their posts wiped," << cog got banned from somewhere? |
| 22:19.15 | tekkub | welcome to yesterday |
| 22:19.34 | foxlit | I come from the past (to save the, er, future?) |
| 22:24.11 | Sixen | cog got postwiped? |
| 22:24.16 | Cairenn | yes |
| 22:24.18 | Sixen | Or am I just jumping in mid-convo and missing out |
| 22:24.19 | Sixen | o_O |
| 22:24.29 | Sixen | Are you shitting me? |
| 22:24.33 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 22:24.35 | kamdis | cog got temp banned and post-wiped |
| 22:24.38 | jnwhiteh | get off it |
| 22:24.40 | jnwhiteh | you dont know the story |
| 22:24.46 | jnwhiteh | don't get all indignant without understanding |
| 22:24.50 | jnwhiteh | and again, welcome to yesterday =) |
| 22:24.52 | Lopeppeppy | Crap happens. |
| 22:24.56 | Sixen | Hrm. |
| 22:25.16 | kamdis | It is what it is, at this point. |
| 22:25.16 | Sixen | That really sucks.. He had 2 stickied threads, didn't he? |
| 22:25.26 | tem | kamdis, you only missed me at the office |
| 22:25.29 | Lopeppeppy | No, Sixen, he no longer did. |
| 22:25.32 | kamdis | ah cool |
| 22:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | gives jnwhiteh a cookie and juice. |
| 22:26.20 | kamdis | steals the cookie. |
| 22:26.29 | Sixen | I see. |
| 22:26.36 | NightHawkTheSane | :o hey! now he'll be all angry and jump on Sixen some more :P |
| 22:26.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:28.04 | jnwhiteh | reacting before thinking == bad |
| 22:28.41 | Sixen | :( |
| 22:29.11 | jnwhiteh | i'm guilty of the same |
| 22:29.20 | jnwhiteh | but we've been through this fight on the forums, here, on the wowi forums |
| 22:29.38 | jnwhiteh | and getting upset without reading first certainly isn't the best thing for your mental health, or ours =) |
| 22:29.40 | jnwhiteh | that's all |
| 22:31.14 | Sixen | I know what happened, but it's still ridiculous, -_- |
| 22:31.39 | Sixen | brb |
| 22:31.45 | Lopeppeppy | Holy freakin' crap it's going to snow tomorrow. *head desk* |
| 22:31.49 | kamdis | It's a shame the many helpful posts were lost. That's all I'll say. :) |
| 22:31.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: haha |
| 22:32.00 | tekkub | yea we're sposda get snow tonight |
| 22:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: no sympathy here... it has snowed ever other day, with the days when it doesn't snow being 60-70F... for the past two weeks |
| 22:32.32 | tekkub | someone's in CO |
| 22:32.36 | Jamash | must be global warming |
| 22:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | close |
| 22:32.48 | End | looks outside. |
| 22:32.59 | End | well, it's a bit dark out |
| 22:33.27 | NeoTron | I just had an epiphany of sorts - I thought of a use for twitter that might actually be useful for me |
| 22:33.35 | Jamash | lies |
| 22:33.46 | End | NeoTron: IMPOSSIBLE |
| 22:33.47 | NeoTron | I know right.. but really |
| 22:33.52 | End | RETRACT THAT STATEMENT |
| 22:33.54 | Thunder_Child | the only part of that name thats correct is the first 4 letters |
| 22:33.54 | End | do eet |
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| 22:34.33 | cog|movie | jnwhiteh: fwiw, it's more of a O.o for me than a QQ ;) |
| 22:34.37 | NeoTron | I'll be the first to admit I am NOT into facebook, myspace, myface, yourbook, facespace, etc.. :P |
| 22:34.49 | Thunder_Child | facecake |
| 22:35.07 | Jamash | I want to found an anti-social networking site |
| 22:35.17 | Jamash | instead of friends, you have enemies |
| 22:35.21 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 22:35.59 | Thunder_Child | that is sociality to a degree |
| 22:36.18 | Dagmar | There already is one of those |
| 22:36.20 | Thunder_Child | a community of people hating each other is still a community |
| 22:36.28 | Dagmar | http://www.snubster.com |
| 22:36.42 | jnwhiteh | cog|book: yeah i understand |
| 22:36.42 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I thought that was called "a LiveJournal" |
| 22:36.48 | jnwhiteh | but then other people want to get upset on your behalf :P |
| 22:36.49 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 22:36.53 | jnwhiteh | sleeps |
| 22:36.55 | cog|book | i no rite? |
| 22:36.57 | cog|book | :P |
| 22:36.58 | jnwhiteh | so much writing to do tomorrow |
| 22:37.04 | cog|book | i no rite? |
| 22:37.05 | cog|book | >< |
| 22:37.18 | jnwhiteh | hehe mine is worse |
| 22:37.22 | jnwhiteh | trust me when i tell you that =) |
| 22:37.25 | cog|book | :P |
| 22:38.08 | jnwhiteh | 22 days until my academic deadline |
| 22:38.14 | jnwhiteh | and trying to get everything else done |
| 22:38.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 22:38.31 | jnwhiteh | what movies should I see, that I haven't. |
| 22:38.36 | jnwhiteh | that would be available on DVD |
| 22:38.43 | *** part/#wowuidev Shefki (n=breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 22:39.01 | Dagmar | If you would like to walk around for an hour or two feeling cold inside, watch The Happening. |
| 22:39.15 | Dagmar | Nothing like seeing hundreds of people kill themselves to put a chill in the mind. |
| 22:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blag.xkcd.com/2009/04/03/omegle/ |
| 22:39.35 | cog|book | speaking of movies... is it just me or do netflix blu-rays seem to have a much higher rate of bad discs? |
| 22:39.40 | cog|book | than dvds |
| 22:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | considering the disc density, probably |
| 22:40.11 | cog|book | payng extra for movies that don't work ~20% of the time is pretty shitty |
| 22:40.16 | cog|book | +correct speeling |
| 22:40.42 | Shirik | Ok, I need a 100% unambiguous definition for "Raid loot" |
| 22:41.00 | Dagmar | "Anything that drops in a >9-man instance" |
| 22:41.01 | Lopeppeppy | "items obtained during the course of a raid" |
| 22:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | drops in a raid instance or requires mats that only drop in a raid instance |
| 22:41.04 | Shirik | I defined it as any item which has an item level of at least 200 |
| 22:41.05 | cog|book | massive cache of roach spray? |
| 22:41.15 | Shirik | Dagmar: That defines "frostweave cloth" as raid loot |
| 22:41.20 | NeoTron | Items that can solely be obtained from drops in a raid instance |
| 22:41.21 | Shirik | (Same at Lopeppeppy) |
| 22:41.24 | End | heroics drop ilvl 200 as well |
| 22:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | drops in a raid instance or requires mats that only drop in a raid instance and can be equipped on the character sheet |
| 22:41.45 | Dagmar | Shirik: So add "greens or better" and call it a day |
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| 22:41.57 | Shirik | I don't want to track greens, and I probably don't want to track blues either |
| 22:42.08 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, yes it does, by default. |
| 22:42.14 | Lopeppeppy | Some raids track and keep it all. |
| 22:42.22 | *** join/#wowuidev profdgy (n=profdgy@209.216.196.2) |
| 22:42.24 | Lopeppeppy | "All items obtained through master looting in the course of a raid." |
| 22:42.37 | Lopeppeppy | That lets you limit it to what falls above the level you set for ML" |
| 22:42.38 | Shirik | we don't actually use master loot :) |
| 22:42.38 | NeoTron | Shirik: what's the context? |
| 22:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | Jeebus crackers, Shirik. |
| 22:43.49 | Shirik | Please note that my definition of "Master Looter" is not yours |
| 22:43.50 | Shirik | but |
| 22:43.52 | Shirik | [*]Upon opening the loot window, if the current user is the [i]Master Looter[/i], the system shall announce to raid chat any [i]Raid-Quality Loot[/i] available |
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| 22:44.07 | ScytheBlade1 | There is your problem |
| 22:44.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Your rules are retarded |
| 22:44.15 | End | lol |
| 22:44.18 | Shirik | give me a better rule |
| 22:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | PURPLE PIXELS |
| 22:44.45 | NeoTron | so in that context raid quality loot is epic items on mobs killed in a raid instance |
| 22:44.49 | NeoTron | it seesm |
| 22:45.11 | End | isn't frostweave only ilvl 70? |
| 22:45.34 | End | oh nvm |
| 22:45.43 | End | you were responding to Dagmar |
| 22:46.34 | End | interesting |
| 22:46.39 | End | I'm D/Cing every 15 minutes |
| 22:46.47 | End | (from WoW) |
| 22:47.43 | Dagmar | "Anything the master looter decides is 'raid loot' is 'raid loot'" |
| 22:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:48.10 | kamdis | "epic quality items that drop only in raid instances or are created from one or more materials that are lonly found in raid instances" ??? |
| 22:48.21 | Jamash | you probably do want to track blues if Runed Orbs drop in Ulduar |
| 22:48.30 | kamdis | sighs. I need to learn to stop scrolling back. |
| 22:49.17 | Shirik | Dagmar: Ambiguous definition is ambiguous |
| 22:49.20 | Shirik | bad man |
| 22:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty clear to me |
| 22:51.02 | Shirik | sure |
| 22:51.10 | cog|book | it's arbitrary but definitive |
| 22:51.10 | Shirik | but it's also not what I want |
| 22:51.24 | Shirik | because that defines that the master looter must specify what is raid loot |
| 22:51.34 | Shirik | so not ambiguous, just flawed |
| 22:51.50 | ScytheBlade1 | less flawed than simply saying "raid loot is raid loot" |
| 22:51.53 | cog|book | nah... it just means you have to put more faith in the master looter |
| 22:52.09 | cog|book | in a tight-knit guild it probably wouldn't be a problem |
| 22:52.29 | NeoTron | Shirik: except you seem to be talking about "a system" doing the announcement |
| 22:52.34 | Jamash | Shirik's trying to write an addon to raid for him |
| 22:52.37 | NeoTron | so wouldn't "the system" make the determination? |
| 22:52.38 | cog|book | ah |
| 22:52.47 | Shirik | NeoTron: "The system" is not the "Master Looter" |
| 22:52.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it should be |
| 22:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 22:52.58 | NeoTron | and this is basically exactly what I'm doing with MagicDKP - making it to loot for me while I press a minimum amount of buttons :P |
| 22:53.14 | Shirik | this is guild-specific, this is only one tiny thing we're doing |
| 22:53.19 | NeoTron | Shirik: I know. so the system defines it, not the master looter. I don't understand the problem |
| 22:53.30 | NeoTron | if you're making an addon announcing loot, make it announce epic items |
| 22:53.33 | NeoTron | and.. done? |
| 22:53.34 | ilovemrdoe | BOP epics that drop in a raids ilvl>200? |
| 22:53.37 | Aelobin | likes to move it move it. |
| 22:53.47 | NeoTron | BoE too |
| 22:53.57 | End | well, there's BoE |
| 22:54.02 | ilovemrdoe | oh ya forgot there's a few boe |
| 22:54.14 | End | and we send them to people midraid if they need em, otherwise we bank them |
| 22:55.04 | Shirik | NeoTron: No it goes further. You are correct in the assumption that it will handle loot by itself |
| 22:56.30 | Jamash | just make it loot everything to you, /gquit and transfer servers |
| 22:56.48 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-177-118-15.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:56.48 | Lopeppeppy | Not even xfer, just rename. |
| 22:56.58 | foxlit | xfer == more bang for buck |
| 22:57.01 | Jamash | nah renames are detectable by friends list |
| 22:57.13 | Shirik | But I'm an officer in the top horde guild on the server :( |
| 22:57.15 | Shirik | why would I do that |
| 22:57.24 | Jamash | to save effort on programming, duh |
| 22:57.24 | foxlit | besides, the GMs will chase you down in 5 seconds flat |
| 22:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | because you pretty clearly hate yourself |
| 22:57.46 | foxlit | "top horde guild" << clearly admits inferiority to the Alliance. |
| 22:58.03 | Thunder_Child | agreed FoxFurry |
| 22:58.07 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 22:58.12 | Thunder_Child | foxlit* |
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| 22:59.21 | Jamash | autocomplete strikes again |
| 23:00.45 | Thunder_Child | paying 1 million* for someone to make me a mental autocomplete |
| 23:01.56 | foxlit | I'm not doing anything until I see what that * refers to |
| 23:03.01 | Jamash | poll: being that I am lazy, should I use AceConfig instead of rolling my own config panel? |
| 23:03.19 | foxlit | It's Acetastic! |
| 23:03.25 | foxlit | Acealicious? |
| 23:03.52 | mikma | lol wat, blizz mailed me that they have shipped my authenticators |
| 23:03.58 | Lopeppeppy | yay, mikma |
| 23:04.01 | mikma | the ones i got like... |
| 23:04.05 | Lopeppeppy | Jamash, dooooo eeeeet. |
| 23:04.06 | mikma | 2 months ago |
| 23:04.19 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, monopoly money |
| 23:05.02 | mikma | hmmm, 4 months ago =D |
| 23:05.04 | mikma | lol |
| 23:05.49 | Cairenn | Notes for authors on WoWI http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21689 Flags are reset to show for 3.1 now, changes to our Upload/Update Rules & Disclaimer |
| 23:06.07 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Cairenn |
| 23:06.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Jerek_Dain (n=JerekDai@71-82-124-81.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 23:06.20 | Cairenn | lubs Lopeppeppy |
| 23:06.21 | foxlit | thinks Cairenn is stuck in a loop. |
| 23:06.25 | Cairenn | newp |
| 23:07.26 | mikma | The item(s) listed below from your order XXXXXXXX have shipped out of our warehouse on 03/04/2009 and are now on the way to your shipping address. |
| 23:08.09 | kd3 | mikma; they botched a setting and sent out dupe emails to a lot of people. you're not getting charged twice |
| 23:08.14 | mikma | Delivered On: 15/12/2008, 13:10 (this is ups tracking) |
| 23:08.30 | mikma | kd3: oh i am not worried about getting charged |
| 23:08.43 | mikma | i want me free 2x authenticators lolo |
| 23:09.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@124-168-131-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:09.38 | foxlit | "NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF BLIZZARD. " |
| 23:09.51 | foxlit | All caps mean it's VERY IMPORTANT. :) |
| 23:11.16 | foxlit | Wonder why random sections of the ToU are given that treatment, while others are content with ordinary sentence case. |
| 23:11.48 | tekkub | because the ARE OBVIOUSLY more important THAN THE OTHERS |
| 23:12.06 | foxlit | " YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ABSENT THIS PROVISION, YOU WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL." |
| 23:12.08 | Lopeppeppy | LIKE PEPPY! AND COOKIES! |
| 23:12.19 | foxlit | (but because it's here, you don't. So Ha!) |
| 23:12.30 | Jamash | I AM A LOUD DOG, YOU MUST LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE I AM LOUD |
| 23:12.37 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 23:12.42 | tem|sleep | FUCK YOU IM AN ARDVARK |
| 23:12.57 | End | you still -might- have the right, but a judge would have to override that clause |
| 23:13.01 | tem|sleep | also, wide awake now that I can sleep |
| 23:13.04 | tem|sleep | sigh |
| 23:13.19 | mikma | code something cool |
| 23:14.27 | Lopeppeppy | Take a long medium warm shower, curl up with a book. |
| 23:14.34 | Lopeppeppy | still reads actual, you know, physical books. |
| 23:15.33 | mikma | hahaha, books |
| 23:15.42 | mikma | so 1800's |
| 23:15.44 | Thunder_Child | it will take a lot to make me stop reading paper books |
| 23:15.57 | Lopeppeppy | Like, going blind kind of "alot" |
| 23:16.08 | Wobin | er, whut? |
| 23:16.14 | Wobin | foxlit: ^ |
| 23:16.36 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, well yes, but u mean switching |
| 23:16.38 | Wobin | Sorry, coming into the conversation halfway, but what's that about? |
| 23:16.40 | Thunder_Child | s/u/i/ |
| 23:16.45 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 23:16.50 | Wobin | haha |
| 23:16.52 | Wobin | lrn2spell |
| 23:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm confused, TC, say that in English? |
| 23:17.00 | mikma | after i got my nokia n810 i haven't even touched a book |
| 23:17.01 | foxlit | Wobin: that's not halfway. |
| 23:17.13 | Thunder_Child | the only thing i can think of is creating e-ink for my books |
| 23:17.28 | Thunder_Child | feel the same wotk the same |
| 23:17.36 | Wobin | foxlit: oh, just random capital letter blocks in the ToU? |
| 23:17.46 | foxlit | The only thing you missed was the reason why I'm actually bothering to glance through the ToU: WoWI requires you to sign off on conforming to it |
| 23:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very true that. |
| 23:18.15 | Wobin | "Please enter your fake character name to indicate you agree to this ToU"? |
| 23:18.57 | Wobin | hasn't logged in today yet |
| 23:19.05 | Wobin | oh WoWI |
| 23:19.09 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, do not taunt the jolly Cairenn, or she'll give you the beatdown. |
| 23:19.17 | End | she's jolly? |
| 23:19.17 | Wobin | I thought you said WoW |
| 23:19.21 | End | is she santa? |
| 23:19.23 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:19.40 | Lopeppeppy | Santa does not give beatdowns. |
| 23:19.46 | Lopeppeppy | You should be so lucky, End. |
| 23:19.48 | Thunder_Child | the mental image of Cairenn as santa is....interesting to say the least |
| 23:19.51 | Wobin | Have you -seen- Lobo?! |
| 23:19.53 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:20.11 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/avatars/cair-sexysantahelper.gif |
| 23:20.19 | mikma | if i ttaunt the jolly cairenn, do i get bacon instead of beatdown? |
| 23:20.33 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, did you see the fail I linked yesterday, nsfw? |
| 23:20.43 | End | dammit, stupid ISP |
| 23:20.55 | mikma | loppnope, relink me the nsfw stuff! |
| 23:21.01 | Lopeppeppy | NSFW link: http://failblog.org/2009/04/01/product-fail/ |
| 23:21.16 | kd3 | ! |
| 23:21.18 | kd3 | WTH? |
| 23:21.19 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9ooZYjF0mI |
| 23:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | And I find your mangling of my name to be extrordinarily cute, mikma. |
| 23:21.24 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: ^ |
| 23:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't mangle mikma any. |
| 23:21.54 | mikma | loppah i saw it, thought it as april day joke |
| 23:22.14 | mikma | loppnope =D |
| 23:22.22 | mikma | sorry, forgot to press tab |
| 23:22.45 | Lopeppeppy | I loved the loppnope. It's like a new breed of jackalope or something. |
| 23:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | has had rum drinks. Anyone want one? |
| 23:23.28 | mikma | the tab is on touch-screen, not on keyb =( so i can miss it while typing |
| 23:24.11 | kamdis | gives Lopeppeppy the puppydog eyes. |
| 23:24.14 | tem|sleep | attempt 2 at sleep |
| 23:25.16 | Lopeppeppy | I have Morgans and diet coke, kamdis. And sour cream potato chips. You are welcome to any and all of it. |
| 23:25.24 | cog|book | Lopepyeppy! |
| 23:25.28 | cog|book | do want |
| 23:25.37 | Lopeppeppy | You come gets, Cog-thing, I'll share! |
| 23:25.47 | kamdis | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 23:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously need chocolate chip cookies, but I cannot has. No ingredients. |
| 23:25.55 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks kamdis! |
| 23:26.12 | kamdis | i will bring my vanilla pear infused rum |
| 23:26.13 | kamdis | :) |
| 23:26.19 | Wobin | heehee Lobo Paramillitary Christmas never fails to make me smile |
| 23:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | Huh.... that's something interesting, kamdis. Can you put that in a mixer, or is that just for sipping shots? |
| 23:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, show me wolf parachute christmas please? |
| 23:28.03 | Wobin | points up to previous link |
| 23:28.03 | mikma | wobin: where lobo and santa have a deathmatch? |
| 23:28.10 | Wobin | mikma: yeah |
| 23:28.13 | Wobin | LIVE ACTION! |
| 23:28.33 | Wobin | Cause Lopeppeppy said that Santa doesn't smackdown |
| 23:29.12 | mikma | so, was lobo a bad or not? =D |
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| 23:30.26 | Wobin | Lobo... is... Lobo |
| 23:30.35 | Lopeppeppy | Wolverine has a real name. I was sad to know this. |
| 23:30.35 | Wobin | he's certainly not... nice |
| 23:31.01 | mikma | lopeppeppy: logan xD |
| 23:31.05 | Wobin | Hugh Jackman? =P |
| 23:31.08 | cog|book | Lopeppeppy: is it still freezing in your neck of the woods? |
| 23:31.26 | mikma | and also, FAIL FAIL FAIL on giving a name to Rogue |
| 23:31.32 | Wobin | James Howlett? |
| 23:31.58 | Wobin | mikma: didn't she -have- a real name? |
| 23:32.12 | mikma | wobin: she has, but abandoned it |
| 23:32.20 | mikma | and told absolutely no-one |
| 23:32.38 | mikma | in the comics, shes just Rogue. |
| 23:33.32 | Dewin | *sigh* http://akamu.mybrute.com/ has completely destroyed all of my productivity |
| 23:33.45 | mikma | i wish i couls find my only Lobo comic! its funny |
| 23:34.34 | kamdis | Lopeppeppy: I've done both. |
| 23:34.58 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, James Howlett. |
| 23:35.06 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, it's supposed to snow tomorrow. |
| 23:35.17 | kamdis | Dewin: hee hee me too http://khait.mybrute.com/ |
| 23:35.18 | mikma | also i don't like the actress playing Rogue =( |
| 23:35.35 | Dewin | kamdis: It's bad if I have 20 alts right? |
| 23:35.38 | cog|book | i'll bring some fresh strawberries then :) |
| 23:35.48 | mikma | and also, i hope they didn't fuck up the "creation" of Wolverine |
| 23:35.55 | kamdis | Dewin lol probably |
| 23:36.05 | Dewin | I put them all in a folder so I can load them all at once, complete with a "SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS" link to create more. |
| 23:36.05 | mikma | the comic version rocked balls |
| 23:37.23 | Lopeppeppy | Strawberries for snow? |
| 23:38.09 | cog|book | for drinks... leave in snow. blend. spike. win. |
| 23:38.13 | cog|book | :P |
| 23:40.13 | mikma | wobin: http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/slaine/444/bisley/lobo/lobo06.jpg |
| 23:40.46 | Lopeppeppy | oooh, yeah. I did some raspberries in berenjagar last week, very nice. |
| 23:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | Both the soaked raspberries and the liquor. :) |
| 23:41.43 | Wobin | Dewin: the fights are totally random? |
| 23:42.06 | Dewin | Wobin: yeah. Though the particular buffs your people get aren't. |
| 23:42.15 | Dewin | well |
| 23:42.25 | Dewin | they're random, but they're static (you get more when you level, sometimes) |
| 23:43.07 | Wobin | damnit akamu you just beat me =P |
| 23:43.18 | Wobin | of course, you outlevel me =( |
| 23:43.20 | Dewin | Akamu's level 3 so it's kind of a given |
| 23:43.29 | Dewin | Thouh I've had two alts beat him on their opening bout. |
| 23:44.29 | Wobin | http://wob.mybrute.com |
| 23:45.07 | Wobin | Dewin: You're totally pyramidding this scheme, aren't you? =P |
| 23:45.27 | Dewin | Wobin: As far as I can tell, it doesn't really trickle down beyond the first tier. |
| 23:45.59 | Dewin | But yes, maybe I am. :-p |
| 23:46.26 | Dewin | Akamu is so fail anyways. I finally made a character called "PleaseSuckLess" out of desparation and finally had one that won all 6 of his initial fights. |
| 23:47.10 | Dewin | and I think it tracks unique IPs since none of my alts gave me XP. |
| 23:47.35 | Dewin | Did you get XP for recruiting PonderPonder? |
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