| 00:00.01 | Tuller | foxlit: I want a frame designer that creates code for a frame runner :P |
| 00:00.08 | Legorol | actually, amro has a point |
| 00:00.09 | Legorol | you could just simply save the whole output as a string variable |
| 00:00.15 | Legorol | then you have it right in the SV file |
| 00:00.25 | foxlit | (except for the whole escaping mess) |
| 00:00.26 | Jamash | Slouken had a UI examiner addon but I'm pretty sure it broke a while ago |
| 00:00.30 | Tuller | loadstring'd |
| 00:00.56 | Legorol | Jamash: it wasn't slouken, but an official addon from blizzard (called something like Editing UI or some such) and it is still downloadable |
| 00:00.59 | Legorol | but i think broken |
| 00:01.55 | Jamash | I wonder how hard it would be to make it work |
| 00:02.56 | Legorol | ah they pulled the download |
| 00:02.59 | foxlit | |========| this hard |
| 00:03.01 | Jamash | I have a copy |
| 00:03.45 | Jamash | Last update: July 2007 |
| 00:04.01 | Jamash | Interface: 20200 |
| 00:07.24 | Lunessa | Editing UI fails to work as it hasn't been updated in some time. Someone could fix it up, if they really wanted to. |
| 00:07.57 | Vonhinten | I remember trying to use that, and not understanding what it actually did |
| 00:07.58 | Lunessa | Note: "Someone" does not refer to me. I don't want to do it. |
| 00:08.17 | Aznamir | Does anyone know, were there any UI changes in PTR builds in last 2 weeks? |
| 00:08.25 | Jamash | wowcompares? |
| 00:08.32 | Lunessa | It was supposed to show you all the frames and elements in and help move and position things. |
| 00:08.50 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm going to go get dinner and go home. |
| 00:09.02 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 00:13.50 | WobWork | http://mightygodking.com/images/pixardw.jpg |
| 00:16.06 | WobWork | also zomg, it's been 10 years since the first Matrix? |
| 00:17.01 | Ratness | It wasn't released till May |
| 00:17.07 | Ratness | Oh wait i take that back |
| 00:17.30 | Jamash | I do so, so love "See <red link> for details" on WoWWiki |
| 00:17.45 | Ratness | First add for it poped up during Superbowl I recall |
| 00:17.53 | kd3 | jamash? |
| 00:18.05 | Jamash | kd3? |
| 00:18.10 | kd3 | [20:17:30] <Jamash> I do so, so love "See <red link> for details" on WoWWiki |
| 00:18.28 | Jamash | yes? |
| 00:18.40 | Thunder_Child | and yet WobWork, dreamworks is just as enjoyable |
| 00:18.58 | kd3 | where'd you see that? |
| 00:19.01 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: yet that cartoon is so true = |
| 00:19.02 | WobWork | P |
| 00:19.03 | kd3 | puts on his wowwiki admin hat |
| 00:19.17 | Jamash | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#FontInstance_Derivatives |
| 00:19.20 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, wich just goes to show the the dreamworks people are smarter |
| 00:19.25 | Thunder_Child | who did shrek? |
| 00:19.30 | Ratness | March 31, 1999 you are right |
| 00:19.38 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 00:19.43 | Ratness | Why do I recall it being a summer movie... |
| 00:19.46 | Thunder_Child | missed teh ass |
| 00:20.10 | Ratness | I remember EW giving "The Matrix" a "C-" lol |
| 00:20.37 | WobWork | First Matrix was good |
| 00:20.41 | WobWork | second was pretty cool |
| 00:20.45 | WobWork | third was meh |
| 00:21.48 | NeoTron | first one blew me away |
| 00:21.51 | Ratness | Yes it was... EW acknowledge it years later as listing it as the "#1 Sci-Fi Movie/TV show in the last 25 years" like is 2006 |
| 00:21.52 | NeoTron | the other two didn't |
| 00:22.10 | Jamash | The first Matrix showed a lot of promise, none of which was fulfilled by the other two. |
| 00:22.29 | mikma | wobwork: btw, have you seen the ...superhero animation from pizar |
| 00:22.29 | Ratness | It was hard to top the first |
| 00:22.35 | Jamash | Animatrix >>>> Matrix 2 + Matrix 3 |
| 00:23.04 | WobWork | The incredibles? |
| 00:23.12 | mikma | ya, that one |
| 00:23.15 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:23.33 | WobWork | That movie was good if only for Edna Mode |
| 00:23.42 | Ratness | I know of no Pixal flick that wasn't considered "Excelent" by most everyone lol |
| 00:23.49 | Ratness | Amzing spree they've had |
| 00:23.55 | Ratness | Er Pixar |
| 00:24.00 | Jamash | I refuse to watch Cars, but the rest I've really liked. |
| 00:24.07 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 00:24.20 | Ratness | Cars is incredible... on Blu-Ray |
| 00:25.20 | mikma | mm, bluray. should buy that one |
| 00:25.23 | Wraithan | I haven't seen Cars either |
| 00:25.25 | Ratness | The audio is just so well done you'll crap your pants |
| 00:25.40 | Jamash | For essentially the reason that the image you linked criticizes Dreamworks |
| 00:25.47 | amro | Ratness: I'll pass |
| 00:26.16 | Jamash | "There are talking cars! And they do things cars don't normally do! And they make faces!" |
| 00:26.41 | Ratness | I have not scene Wally... I don't have it on Blu-Ray and I don't wanna see it on sucky DVD... not after experiancing Cars |
| 00:27.39 | Jamash | "Cars" is a sequel to "Trucks" by Stephen King, right? |
| 00:28.27 | Ratness | lol You mean uh... crap what's the name of that movie? |
| 00:28.33 | Jamash | maximum overdrive |
| 00:28.37 | Ratness | Yes! |
| 00:29.09 | Jamash | Cars presumably takes place decades or centuries after the great cleansing |
| 00:29.14 | Ratness | .... which was a Sequel to Dual |
| 00:29.59 | Aznamir | How can i debug _onenter frame event? |
| 00:30.18 | Aznamir | can I add a print to the code snippet? |
| 00:30.19 | Jamash | when mankind is but a memory, and only the most powerful of vehicles knows what horrors their precursors committed |
| 00:30.43 | Jamash | Aznamir: yes |
| 00:31.19 | mikma | Jamash that remindsme of the devil-car episode in futurama |
| 00:31.31 | Jamash | ah yes, the were-car |
| 00:31.40 | Jamash | that was a good episode |
| 00:32.12 | Jamash | "I believe... what I am programmed to believe!" |
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| 00:32.54 | Ratness | There's not a good episode of Futurama? |
| 00:33.14 | ZorbaTHut | ratness, the second episode was pretty crummy. |
| 00:33.49 | Ratness | Still better than the any episode of "Family Guy" |
| 00:33.56 | Jamash | was that the one with the amusement park on the moon? |
| 00:34.13 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, yeah |
| 00:34.24 | Jamash | It was kind of rough, but had a bunch of choice moments. |
| 00:34.36 | ZorbaTHut | it had a few good lines, but for a lot of it I was sitting there thinking "welp, the first episode was good, but I guess futurama is gonna suck overall" |
| 00:34.40 | WobWork | hehe http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/gball/ |
| 00:34.42 | ZorbaTHut | (and then I was shown to be wrong) |
| 00:35.00 | Ratness | The Simpsons is now in HD btw... waited until after X-mas for Fox to start broadcasting the HD episodes |
| 00:35.13 | Ratness | The Simpsons has been on for so... so... so... long |
| 00:35.32 | Tuller | my fox station has convinced me that I no longer require tv from them :P |
| 00:35.53 | Ratness | Fringe is good... returns next week |
| 00:36.00 | Jamash | I can't watch Fringe |
| 00:36.02 | Tuller | its not what is on fox |
| 00:36.08 | Tuller | its just the station here is terrible |
| 00:36.17 | Jamash | For the same reason that I can't watch RahXephon |
| 00:36.24 | Ratness | What do you mean? |
| 00:36.52 | kd3 | rahxephon is great. don't compare it to evangelion and it's just fine on its own |
| 00:37.01 | Jamash | Fringe just screams "hey, we cancelled the x-files, let's uncancel it" |
| 00:37.12 | Jamash | I can't not compare it to evangelion |
| 00:37.37 | Jamash | it sits there on the screen, saying to me "Hey, look at me, I'm just like evangelion!" |
| 00:37.56 | Ratness | The X-Files was good... until season 8 |
| 00:38.10 | Jamash | yeah |
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| 00:38.48 | WobWork | I think the Simpsons lost it's glow for me when Nancy Cartwright started using Bart's voice for cold calling religious recruitment calls |
| 00:38.58 | WobWork | Or whoever it was that does his voice |
| 00:39.50 | Jamash | actually I think it was season 6 of the x-files |
| 00:39.50 | Jamash | they killed off the Syndicate and then were left without a plot for the remainder of the series |
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| 00:40.43 | bleeter | WobWork: oO Blizz are moving Oceanic servers to be housed in Brisbane! Check the WoW Homepage!!! |
| 00:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOMs housed in brisbane |
| 00:41.11 | kd3 | bleeter; april fool's? |
| 00:41.20 | WobWork | =( |
| 00:41.27 | bleeter | kd3: sure as shit ain't serious, cmon now :( |
| 00:41.34 | bleeter | :P |
| 00:42.01 | kd3 | still got a few hours til it starts over here |
| 00:42.04 | bleeter | no freakin' Apr 1st jokes ingame.. that I can see... of course Blizz may have fucked up timezones again |
| 00:42.09 | Shadowed | Anyone used the Open() function in AceConfigDialog-3.0 for opening a sub-frame beyond the addon one? |
| 00:42.17 | Shadowed | can't seem to get it to work, and theres no real docs |
| 00:42.29 | bleeter | wonder if we'll come off summertime this weekend, or if it'll take another 3 weeks |
| 00:42.50 | Jamash | if there's going to be an april fools it'll probably start worldwide on PDT 00:00 or 04:00 |
| 00:43.23 | WobWork | bleeter: That's a terrible thing to tease about |
| 00:43.24 | bleeter | not necessarily |
| 00:43.31 | bleeter | Jamash: it'd prolly start in EU |
| 00:43.42 | bleeter | Jamash: then happen a day later than calendar in Oceania ;) |
| 00:43.53 | bleeter | though gotta admit blizz have been a lot better recently at NOT doing that |
| 00:44.07 | bleeter | WobWork: yar well I thought it was so obvious you'd not fall for it at all |
| 00:44.52 | WobWork | man, could you just -imagine- the pingtimes?! |
| 00:45.08 | WobWork | dreams of double digit ping |
| 00:45.13 | bleeter | WobWork: all I can say is... if I end up getting excited about the nextgen mmo they're doing, I hope to god the description of 'distributed DB' is an indication that we'll have local servers |
| 00:45.23 | bleeter | er that sentenced changed during authoring |
| 00:45.33 | bleeter | i think it now contains two different thoughts |
| 00:45.42 | bleeter | yar hmm w/e |
| 00:46.37 | WobWork | I get the drift |
| 00:46.48 | WobWork | what is the nextgen mmo? |
| 00:46.57 | Jamash | noooooooooooooooooooooooobody knows |
| 00:47.02 | kd3 | 'universe of starcraft' |
| 00:47.15 | bleeter | 'new original IP' |
| 00:47.16 | WobWork | World of Diablocraft |
| 00:47.28 | Jamash | what bleeter said |
| 00:47.30 | bleeter | which... considering how much Blizz like recycling |
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| 00:47.39 | ZorbaTHut | World of Rock and Roll Racing |
| 00:47.44 | WobWork | oh the one Kaplan is working on? |
| 00:47.48 | bleeter | 'using WoW engine' |
| 00:47.50 | Jamash | Anyone remember Shattered Nations? |
| 00:47.53 | bleeter | 'distributed DB' |
| 00:47.58 | WobWork | vauguely |
| 00:48.10 | Jamash | they could do that |
| 00:48.20 | ZorbaTHut | unless they explained that one more deeply, "distributed DB" is about as meaningful as saying "this time, we're going to write our engine using code" |
| 00:48.46 | Jamash | The question is, what universe would be different enough from the three they have to warrant the effort taken to invent it? |
| 00:48.58 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: compared to other DB admin type jobs they've advertised... certainly makes me think they're going more decentralised on some stuff |
| 00:49.10 | bleeter | admin & author type |
| 00:49.20 | Jamash | Well, they have far-future, grim and gritty fantasy, bright and shiny fantasy |
| 00:49.25 | mikma | World of Rick Rolling |
| 00:49.28 | Jamash | near-future would make some sense |
| 00:49.32 | bleeter | World of Agadoo |
| 00:49.43 | Jamash | World of April 1st |
| 00:49.43 | ZorbaTHut | they might, yeah, but - that might just mean "we want our servers to be capable of more complex stuff on the server, but without splitting it up enormously" |
| 00:49.58 | ZorbaTHut | "so instead of monolithic servers we're going to be implementing the servers as a cluster, with transparent moving between them" |
| 00:50.14 | Jamash | It would be awesome if it was like EvE |
| 00:50.33 | Jamash | do you know there's more than 200 realms in the NA/Oceanic zone alone? |
| 00:50.43 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: I think we could take it as red that they now know how to design an MMO where they can avoid matinenance |
| 00:50.47 | bleeter | *regular maint |
| 00:50.47 | ZorbaTHut | I'd definitely like it if they figured out a way to get rid of the whole "oh yeah I play WoW, what server are you on" "I'm on Orcbutt" "oh dang, I'm on Adjectiveblade" |
| 00:50.51 | Jamash | it would be awesome if there was only one realm per zone |
| 00:50.58 | bleeter | yup |
| 00:51.01 | ZorbaTHut | man I would totally play on Orcbutt |
| 00:51.14 | Jamash | I'm on Dragonsomething |
| 00:51.31 | bleeter | hence I keep coming back to there being some reworked WoW and they're also hiring for the next XPAC but it's all kinda being hidden with smoke and mirrors |
| 00:51.42 | Jamash | the next xpac is going to be "bold" |
| 00:51.57 | bleeter | and original classic content will still suck |
| 00:52.01 | ZorbaTHut | I think Blizz is smart enough to not start competing with themselves, so whatever they do next is going to be different enough that they don't think it'll eat WoW's lunch |
| 00:52.11 | End | ^ |
| 00:52.12 | bleeter | it'll *really* be 10 u/o content by next XPAC |
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| 00:52.30 | ZorbaTHut | I'm almost expecting them to start competing with Eve or Planetside - go scifi and focus on PvP |
| 00:52.43 | WobWork | WAR has that covered atm |
| 00:52.45 | Jamash | Starcraft Ghost Online |
| 00:52.45 | WobWork | for the pvp |
| 00:52.49 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:52.55 | ZorbaTHut | war's not scifi, and it's also not made by Blizzard ;) |
| 00:53.03 | WobWork | can you imagine a stealth based pvp? |
| 00:53.03 | Jamash | You know what |
| 00:53.12 | Jamash | they should just buy the goddamn 40k license and make that |
| 00:53.13 | WobWork | You'd spend entire BGs wandering around seeing nobody =P |
| 00:53.32 | kd3 | warcraft exists because they couldn't by the 40k license |
| 00:53.36 | kd3 | s/by/buy/ |
| 00:53.38 | Jamash | *I know* |
| 00:53.42 | WobWork | They can afford it now =P |
| 00:53.46 | bleeter | meh, I still think it's largely about appripriate IP to create into an MMO |
| 00:54.01 | bleeter | WoW took ages to take off, the IP isn't widely known so it was word of mouth |
| 00:54.22 | Jamash | anyway it's starcraft that exists because they couldn't buy 40k, warcraft exists because they couldn't buy warhammer fantasy |
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| 00:55.48 | bleeter | warhammer & 40k exist 'coz of ... well... ;) funny how the world works isn't it? lolol |
| 00:56.12 | Jamash | wow did not take ages to take off: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html |
| 00:57.24 | Jamash | it took off on day 1 and kept going |
| 00:57.31 | bleeter | I should've been more accurate in my statement. The public visibility of Warcraft as IP, took ages. Was with the advent of word of mouth from WoW. |
| 00:57.37 | Iriel | Well, it had regular pauses to loot. |
| 00:57.43 | bleeter | Iriel: and DCs |
| 00:58.01 | Iriel | bleeter: And 3-day realm downtimes |
| 00:58.09 | bleeter | Iriel: and rollbacks |
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| 00:58.11 | Iriel | I'm up to 31 days of comped time on my wow account |
| 00:58.11 | Jamash | yeah, Warcraft III wasn't exactly a pop culture phenomenon like WoW is |
| 00:58.18 | Iriel | mostly from the first few months |
| 00:58.28 | End | march after release was terrible |
| 00:58.43 | Jamash | aargh, the memories |
| 00:58.44 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rlslog.net/study-action-video-games-improves-eyesight/ |
| 00:58.44 | End | got some much time out of that, which was when I created my account >_< |
| 00:59.09 | Legorol | Iriel: I think I have had 3 and a half months of free time so far in total :) I added it up at one point |
| 00:59.23 | bleeter | Jamash: I don't really wanna start the 'argument' again, but I put forth this theory that the Bioware Starwars title is the only popular culture title wth critical mass to threaten WoW at this stage. WAR, etc., gimmicks. ;) |
| 00:59.39 | Jamash | bleeter: only if it's good, though :P |
| 00:59.44 | bleeter | Jamash: quite a few in here, for one reason or another, disagreed with me... it'll be interesting to see how it plays out |
| 01:00.07 | Iriel | I dont think knowledge of the law/IP has ANYTHING to do with WoW's success |
| 01:00.37 | bleeter | Jamash: well, I dunno.. people will put up with shit every day. I'm still hazarding a guess that more people know Star Wars IP than Warcraft, or even all Blizz IP as one lot |
| 01:00.42 | Jamash | the thing about wow is it has a good universe *and* good gameplay |
| 01:00.43 | Iriel | it's purely because it's a superbly polished title, which is readily approachable and constantly tuned for fun. |
| 01:00.48 | Jamash | ^ |
| 01:00.48 | bleeter | Iriel: law? what? |
| 01:00.56 | Iriel | The quality of the IP makes for part of the polish |
| 01:01.20 | Jamash | Blizzard supports there games better than anyone else in the industry, bar none. |
| 01:01.23 | Jamash | *their |
| 01:01.56 | Iriel | I couldn't give a damn about wow (other than vague curiosity)... until I played it. |
| 01:01.57 | bleeter | if everyone beats and shoots their slaves, and I merely beat mine... I'm the best slave owner. Doesn't take much for someone else to be better than me ;) |
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| 01:02.38 | Jamash | nobody else releases patches for ten year old games |
| 01:02.39 | bleeter | anyways, to wind this back.. I do hope it's a scifi mmorpg |
| 01:02.42 | Jamash | me too |
| 01:03.03 | bleeter | the star wars one will definately be worth taking a peek at.. 'coz it's freakin' star wars lol |
| 01:03.10 | bleeter | and bioware |
| 01:03.13 | Jamash | Yet Another Fantasy MMO would be... meh |
| 01:03.24 | bleeter | I suspect many other WoW players will ahve exactly the same thought, too |
| 01:03.37 | mikma | just wait until blizz releases the new mmo |
| 01:03.57 | bleeter | tells mikma to wake up! |
| 01:03.59 | Jamash | "freakin' star wars" didn't help Galaxies |
| 01:04.09 | Jamash | I mean it did, for a while |
| 01:04.11 | Iriel | I'd love a good scifi MMO |
| 01:04.16 | bleeter | Jamash: MMOs were still young then |
| 01:04.24 | kd3 | just as long as it isn't a syfy mmo |
| 01:04.27 | kd3 | sighs |
| 01:04.29 | Iriel | Galaxies had other...... issues |
| 01:04.37 | bleeter | yup |
| 01:04.41 | Iriel | Some aspects of it were superior to wow |
| 01:04.45 | Iriel | others, well, not so much |
| 01:04.50 | mikma | i'd love a jedi mmo |
| 01:04.57 | bleeter | wouldn't take much for a smart company to not fuck up Star Wars.. I don't think anyone is claiming Bioware are fuckwits |
| 01:04.58 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, SGW? |
| 01:05.09 | Thunder_Child | and maybe Firefly |
| 01:05.12 | Jamash | bleeter: galaxies came out in 2003, WoW came out in 2004 |
| 01:05.18 | bleeter | now firefly would be interesting |
| 01:05.25 | bleeter | though Elite would be better |
| 01:05.41 | Iriel | Problem with firefly is you need Josh Whedon's writing style for the whole game, which wouldn't scale well |
| 01:05.44 | bleeter | Iriel: Elite MMORPG FTW |
| 01:05.47 | Iriel | bleeter: Jumpgate evolution 8-) |
| 01:06.07 | Jamash | How would an Elite MMO differ from, say, EvE (not having played Elite) |
| 01:06.08 | Iriel | Potentially, anyway, I've got my fingers crossed but i'm not getting my hopes up |
| 01:06.15 | kd3 | watches deluge get started downloading f11 beta |
| 01:06.19 | Iriel | Direct control over your ship |
| 01:06.26 | Iriel | rather than fly-by-wire which eve is all about |
| 01:06.32 | ZorbaTHut | the problem with Jumpgate is that it's being made by Netdevil |
| 01:06.33 | bleeter | Iriel: Elite 4 lolol |
| 01:06.49 | Iriel | Eve achieve their massive concurrency model by making practically everything asynchronous |
| 01:07.40 | bleeter | actually, I think Elite 4 is older vaporware than DNF |
| 01:07.44 | bleeter | tho don't quote me on that one |
| 01:07.52 | DWSR | bleeter: Duke Nukem? Yeah. |
| 01:08.00 | bleeter | Elite 4 was 1997 or 8 |
| 01:08.01 | Jamash | the problem is how do you do an mmo that is synchronous? |
| 01:08.04 | bleeter | announced |
| 01:08.08 | Jamash | nobody's managed to figure out that one |
| 01:08.21 | Iriel | There's degrees of it |
| 01:08.47 | Iriel | THe original jumpgate did a pretty decent job, it just looked very dated and lacked content |
| 01:08.49 | Kirov | Elite 4 - 1998, DNF - 1997 |
| 01:08.52 | bleeter | yar, bioware seemed to be saying they're trying to achieve that for the next SW.. or at least that's what I took from their statements |
| 01:09.00 | bleeter | Kirov: rightio then thanks :) close ;) |
| 01:09.02 | Iriel | But I really enjoyed the flight experience in it |
| 01:09.39 | Kirov | Elite 4 was cancelled in 2000 |
| 01:09.42 | Jamash | The only way to make a shooter/flight sim work on an mmo with current MMO technology would be to break everything down into tiny, tiny instances |
| 01:10.39 | Jamash | which could conceivably work, but I don't know of anyone trying it |
| 01:10.40 | WobWork | The problem with a new MMO is that it'll have to have a depth of lore that the current ones have access to (eg, lotr, SW, WoW, WAR...) |
| 01:11.06 | Kirov | The company that was working on Elite is working on a game called "The Outsider", have been since 2000. Supposedly for release this xmas, but no official press release about it has come out. |
| 01:11.12 | Jamash | narnia mmo, lol |
| 01:11.19 | Kirov | After that, they're supposed to do Elite 4 again |
| 01:11.32 | Jamash | wait, no, Oz mmo (and not the prison show) |
| 01:13.41 | bleeter | Kirov: well dunno about cancelled in 2000.. delayed until tech caught up with their design goals is more accurate ;) |
| 01:14.10 | WobWork | Jamash: Have you -read- the later Oz books? |
| 01:14.15 | WobWork | They creeped me the HELL out |
| 01:14.18 | bleeter | lol |
| 01:14.39 | Kirov | bleeter - In this industry, "delayed" means cancelled. |
| 01:15.30 | Jamash | I've read a lot of Oz books, yes |
| 01:15.32 | Kirov | A game may eventually come out with the same name, but it won't be the same game, or often even the same company. |
| 01:15.34 | Jamash | some of them are very weird |
| 01:16.05 | Kirov | A good example, Fallout 3. The game that was released as Fallout 3 is techincally the fourth attempt at making a Fallout 3. |
| 01:16.09 | Jamash | hey I got EditingUI to load |
| 01:16.15 | WobWork | Narnia would be... interesting, if you could get around the religious aspect |
| 01:16.34 | Jamash | I think fixing it would be easier than I originally imagined |
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| 01:35.07 | WobWork | 10 minutes... |
| 01:35.09 | WobWork | til bid over |
| 01:35.24 | WobWork | I hope I win =\ |
| 01:35.35 | WobWork | otherwise I'll have to find out another birthday present =P |
| 01:35.37 | bleeter | eh, I don't think braben would ever 'cancel' elite lolol |
| 01:36.11 | WobWork | I wish I'd heard of this concert before =( would have made buying tickets easier |
| 01:36.36 | bleeter | damnit, kirov left |
| 01:36.42 | bleeter | must remember the laughability of the statement |
| 01:36.50 | bleeter | WobWork: where ya off too? |
| 01:37.13 | WobWork | Tim Minchin =) |
| 01:37.14 | Jamash | oy, it uses "this" instead of "self" |
| 01:38.39 | WobWork | bleeter: no shows down your way =( |
| 01:38.44 | WobWork | unless you pop up to Melbourne |
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| 01:43.33 | Jamash | well, I have EditingUI kinda sort of working |
| 01:45.01 | AnduinLothar | tekkub: the picoButtons look beter, but they're still a little scrunched compared to some other icons i have on the bar |
| 01:45.24 | WobWork | goddamnit! |
| 01:45.27 | WobWork | =( |
| 01:45.35 | WobWork | I hate ebay snipers |
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| 01:45.58 | Jamash | I don't suppose anyone remembers what the right-hand panel of EditingUI is supposed to look like |
| 01:46.02 | Jamash | 'cause right now it's blank |
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| 02:05.29 | Thunder_Child | i think the song sounds better "i want to have boobies" than "I want to gave groupies" |
| 02:05.41 | Thunder_Child | s/er/er with/ |
| 02:05.48 | Thunder_Child | have* |
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| 02:06.44 | Corey|Here | anyone mind deciphering a simple, simple problem for me in private chat as to not spam this channel? |
| 02:06.51 | Corey|Here | shouldn't take long, learning basic, basic stuff |
| 02:08.56 | Mike-N-Go | ~ask to ask |
| 02:08.56 | purl | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
| 02:09.23 | Corey|Here | i just don't like spamming, alrights |
| 02:09.24 | Corey|Here | ec |
| 02:09.30 | Iriel | What he means is.. ask here, use the pastey if you have to copy code to us |
| 02:09.36 | Corey|Here | ah |
| 02:09.41 | Corey|Here | alright |
| 02:09.51 | Corey|Here | well i'm trying to do a simple slash command to open a message prompt window |
| 02:10.08 | Iriel | that generally reduces the spam, and you get the wise and considered opinion (or wild misguided rantings) of multiple folks |
| 02:10.13 | Mike-N-Go | There is more chatter if you ask a qualifying question, like asking to ask. Just fell free to state the question, no need to ask to ask. |
| 02:10.15 | Corey|Here | i'm not exactly sure where it's failing me and trial+error seeming to get me nowhere |
| 02:10.34 | Corey|Here | alright, i won't ask to ask again, i promise : ) |
| 02:11.06 | Jamash | have you read http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command ? |
| 02:11.10 | Mike-N-Go | http://norganna.pastey.net/ |
| 02:11.13 | Corey|Here | yep i'm looking at it, jam |
| 02:11.21 | Mike-N-Go | Paste what you have tried in there, and link to us the link |
| 02:12.55 | Corey|Here | i'm assuming this works like the sun validater and whatnot ...but with no submit button of any type? |
| 02:12.58 | Corey|Here | or am i missing something |
| 02:13.51 | Iriel | Corey|Here: [Paste] |
| 02:14.03 | Corey|Here | oh it's not working well with my browser |
| 02:14.05 | Corey|Here | that didn't look like a button |
| 02:14.07 | Mike-N-Go | Use a paste bin so we can see the code; that helps. |
| 02:14.14 | Corey|Here | http://norganna.pastey.net/111359 |
| 02:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | line 7 and 9 |
| 02:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You use different caps |
| 02:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW and WOW |
| 02:15.02 | Corey|Here | hrmm |
| 02:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Also the risk |
| 02:15.21 | Corey|Here | in mods i've looked at so far they seemed to uppercase the SlashCmdList(" ") |
| 02:15.22 | Mike-N-Go | Change line7: SLASH_WoWRisk1 = "/WoWRisk"; |
| 02:15.29 | Mike-N-Go | Needs a number on the end, I recon |
| 02:15.34 | Corey|Here | maybe i overlooked something |
| 02:15.35 | Corey|Here | ahh do they? |
| 02:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
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| 02:16.55 | Iriel | I think you want to lowercase the slash command too |
| 02:16.59 | Corey|Here | is there a to_upper function in lua to make it easier to work with other type of letters |
| 02:17.06 | Corey|Here | or to_lower |
| 02:17.47 | AnduinLothar | strupper strlower |
| 02:18.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://norganna.pastey.net/111360 |
| 02:18.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That should work for you |
| 02:19.23 | Corey|Here | dumdeedum |
| 02:20.10 | Corey|Here | maybe my xml is also at fault |
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| 02:22.30 | Zootfizzle | Corey|Here: That code you pasted is missing an end as well |
| 02:22.56 | Zootfizzle | You need an end at the end |
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| 02:23.32 | Corey|Here | that was weird |
| 02:23.43 | Corey|Here | my irc just disappeared entirely, thought it crashed |
| 02:23.48 | Corey|Here | started loading a new one and the old one appeared again |
| 02:24.57 | Corey|Here | mmm my end was definitely closed |
| 02:25.10 | Corey|Here | unless i miss-pasted |
| 02:26.13 | Corey|Here | http://norganna.pastey.net/111361 |
| 02:26.16 | Corey|Here | this is the xml btw |
| 02:26.23 | Corey|Here | taking a looka t what you were talking about with the ends / doublechecking |
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| 02:27.18 | Zootfizzle | http://norganna.pastey.net/111362 |
| 02:28.03 | Corey|Here | ohhh |
| 02:28.05 | Corey|Here | i see what you're saying |
| 02:28.21 | Corey|Here | that was my bad, i'm not used to this lua function syntax |
| 02:28.54 | Zootfizzle | will never forgive you :) |
| 02:29.02 | Corey|Here | :( |
| 02:29.04 | Corey|Here | works, thanks |
| 02:30.15 | kd3 | whee, the 2 week notice just got announced |
| 02:30.32 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, for what, 3.1? |
| 02:30.37 | kd3 | end of season 5, so... ya |
| 02:31.11 | Jamash | Hey zoot, you know the editing UI on http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ ? |
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| 02:31.40 | Zootfizzle | Yes, I do, I also have a question about your forum question :) |
| 02:31.45 | Jamash | would there be any problem if I were to get it working and post a fixed version? |
| 02:32.12 | Jamash | ah, okay |
| 02:33.47 | Zootfizzle | The short answer is no, not really :) |
| 02:33.56 | Jamash | yay! |
| 02:35.10 | Zootfizzle | I'm guessing what you want to do with the retalenting is to know when you should pay attention to SPELLS_CHANGED? |
| 02:35.18 | Jamash | Yes |
| 02:36.29 | Zootfizzle | What do you need from the SPELLS_CHANGED event for what you're doing? |
| 02:37.19 | Jamash | Whenever SPELLS_CHANGED fires, I check to see if any spells have been added to or removed from the spellbook |
| 02:37.38 | Jamash | If a new spell has been added, I show a window with the spell in it, so the user can drag it to their action bar |
| 02:37.58 | Jamash | But I don't want to be showing my window every time the player changes specs |
| 02:38.04 | Zootfizzle | I gotcha |
| 02:38.57 | Zootfizzle | I think what you really need to know is when the talent swap fails |
| 02:39.23 | Zootfizzle | And when it starts, without hooking the button |
| 02:39.50 | Jamash | Right |
| 02:42.18 | Iriel | I wonder if you can just count how many SPELLS_CHANGED you see between successive OnUpdates |
| 02:42.24 | Iriel | and if it's a ton, you know it's a swap |
| 02:42.52 | Iriel | though obviously that doesn't work very well if the swap results in just one spell change |
| 02:43.30 | Jamash | As I said in my post, I can watch for the retalent spell to start, and if it isn't canceled / fails decide that it must have succeeded |
| 02:44.59 | Jamash | as long as UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED always fires when the spell is canceled, I should have a reliable indicator |
| 02:45.50 | Zootfizzle | If it doesn't then we probably have a bigger problem, but it's non-intuitive and we can probably hook up an event for it in a future patch :) |
| 02:46.10 | Iriel | it depends on the spell and why it fails, and when it fails |
| 02:46.42 | Jamash | The reason I posted in the first place was I just thought it was odd that I was getting FAILED events for an action that succeeded, and was wondering if that was a bug |
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| 02:50.02 | Jamash | especially since in earlier builds I was getting the SUCCEEDED event |
| 02:50.21 | Aznamir | if I got a frame with some label on it, what's the best way to access it without using _G["LabelName"] ? |
| 02:51.05 | Jamash | Aznamir: Is there something wrong with doing it that way? |
| 02:51.41 | NightHawkTheSane | local myframe = _G['labelname']; ? |
| 02:51.44 | mikma | LabelName = CreateFrame("Frame","LabelName); LabelName:Show() ? |
| 02:51.59 | Aznamir | Someone complained that "this mod leaks global variables like a sieve" |
| 02:52.01 | mikma | whops, " missing |
| 02:52.05 | Aznamir | and i'm like WTF? |
| 02:52.05 | NightHawkTheSane | or that |
| 02:52.19 | Iriel | Does it leak global vars that are not frames? |
| 02:52.36 | Aznamir | Probably.. i dunno |
| 02:52.46 | Aznamir | how to check? |
| 02:52.47 | mikma | does the complainer know what hes talking about? |
| 02:52.48 | Kaso | Ctrl-F "local" |
| 02:52.49 | Jamash | You probably should be using "local" for function-local variables |
| 02:53.25 | Jamash | and prefixing your frame names with your addon's name |
| 02:53.26 | Aznamir | There are few mod-wide tables I use, but most of things are referenced locally |
| 02:53.42 | Kaso | you can keep your mod-wide tables local to your mod too |
| 02:53.50 | Iriel | luac -l -p AfterCast.lua | grep '[SG]ETGLOBAL' | cut -d';' -f2 | sort | uniq |
| 02:53.59 | Iriel | That's what I like to do with my code from time to time |
| 02:54.03 | Iriel | look for symbols I dont expect |
| 02:54.08 | Aznamir | They are |
| 02:54.10 | Thunder_Child | do head items now alter facial features? |
| 02:54.28 | Jamash | Aznamir: Then ask your complainer exactly what they're talking about :) |
| 02:55.31 | Aznamir | yeah, I guess |
| 02:55.40 | mikma | thunder_child: yes, giving head usually ens with ... |
| 02:56.09 | mikma | ends* |
| 03:01.01 | Thunder_Child | most people dont have your look of surprise mikma |
| 03:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | wow I fail |
| 03:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought my headset mic had stopped working |
| 03:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Went out, bought a $10 desktop mic |
| 03:02.39 | Thunder_Child | plugs ScytheBlade1's cable back in |
| 03:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Turns out that this headset has a voice mute switch |
| 03:02.57 | Jamash | haha |
| 03:04.28 | Jamash | man, my OnEvent handler has gotten long, maybe I should split it up into a table of functions |
| 03:05.26 | Dagmar | A) Has it become unreadable like that? B) Would it become unreadable as a table? C) Is there a significant execution time difference? |
| 03:05.54 | Jamash | A) Kinda, B) No, C) Dunno |
| 03:06.27 | Dagmar | C you might want to find out about |
| 03:07.13 | Dagmar | If you can make the code more readable as a table, without it doing something significantly more time-consuming, then by all means convert it to a table |
| 03:08.27 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: Helmets make my DK look like he has an evil grin |
| 03:08.37 | WobWork | but it turns out it's just his lower lip being white |
| 03:08.44 | WobWork | but the effect is very cool =P |
| 03:09.45 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, no i mean this current helm trims my bard/stach to skin close |
| 03:09.51 | Thunder_Child | beard* |
| 03:10.07 | WobWork | instantshave? |
| 03:10.12 | Jamash | trims your bard closer than a shave, or your money back |
| 03:10.42 | Corey|Here | scytheblade: 2-3 years ago i joined a raiding guild and talked a decent amount and never actually got any responses, but never noticed anyone actually ignoring me |
| 03:10.56 | Thunder_Child | kinda WobWork, but there is the outline running around his face |
| 03:11.01 | Corey|Here | one day, long after i'd been accepted into the guild, people asked why i never talked |
| 03:11.09 | Corey|Here | stunned, i looked at my mic |
| 03:11.14 | Corey|Here | and mute had been on for 2-3 weeks |
| 03:11.20 | WobWork | >< |
| 03:11.21 | Jamash | zomg |
| 03:11.44 | Corey|Here | i had never 'tested' it because i'd used it before |
| 03:11.50 | Corey|Here | i must have flipped mute accidently at some point :P |
| 03:13.28 | Corey|Here | anyone know of any 'getting started with ui frames' introductions? |
| 03:14.00 | Corey|Here | i've taken basic, basic xml, so i understand the elements and how they're stacked up |
| 03:14.06 | Corey|Here | but there seems to be a lot of syntax i haven't seen |
| 03:14.52 | WobWork | xml tends to be something you either get or your don't |
| 03:15.08 | WobWork | Personally I prefer to build the elements in lua |
| 03:16.33 | Corey|Here | i really don't mind the xml |
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| 03:17.07 | Corey|Here | it's just gone a little more in depth than i have and there are a lot of new element types i see |
| 03:17.56 | Jamash | Blizzard uses XMLSpy which costs $129 at a minimum |
| 03:18.10 | Thunder_Child | well tbh, $0 at a minimum |
| 03:18.26 | Zootfizzle | I use notepad to write XML :) |
| 03:18.37 | Jamash | :-O |
| 03:18.47 | Zootfizzle | (Notepad++) |
| 03:18.53 | Corey|Here | i'm using notepad++ right now but aptana, komodoedit |
| 03:18.54 | Jamash | ha, that's not the same |
| 03:18.56 | Corey|Here | both support it decently |
| 03:19.00 | Zootfizzle | It's notepad! |
| 03:19.05 | Zootfizzle | It's just more notepad |
| 03:19.14 | Jamash | I use SciTE to not write XML |
| 03:19.58 | Jamash | I could probably get rid of the one XML file my addon has and just use Lua if I felt like it |
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| 03:22.00 | Jamash | okay, let me rephrase my earlier quote: Slouken uses XMLSpy to generate XML Schema Declarations |
| 03:22.14 | Corey|Here | ah |
| 03:22.43 | Jamash | I made an assumption that it was a general Blizzard thing, but I could be wrong |
| 03:24.31 | Zootfizzle | We use XMLSpy sometimes for some things depending on what we do, like verifying our XML all fits our XSD |
| 03:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | The great irony |
| 03:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't! |
| 03:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 03:24.52 | Jamash | doesn't it? |
| 03:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 03:24.57 | Jamash | haha |
| 03:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It's fine enough for the UI |
| 03:25.03 | Zootfizzle | It does in the important ways :) |
| 03:25.05 | ScytheBlade1 | But not for a strict reading of the XSD |
| 03:25.40 | Jamash | see that's the problem with computer languages in general |
| 03:25.52 | Jamash | if the interpreter / compiler accepts it, who cares if it's correct? |
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| 03:26.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: well, it leads to the problem of interpreter/compiler a accepts it, but b does not :P |
| 03:26.30 | Jamash | exactly! |
| 03:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | in theory, if everyone followed the 'correct' standard, that'd never be an issue |
| 03:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | In this case, there is only one interpreter that matters :P |
| 03:27.04 | Jamash | True with C compilers, true with web browsers, true with XML processors |
| 03:27.20 | Corey|Here | parent="UIParent" - is this saying that the frame is set as the main parent form, or is it saying that the parent of this frame is the wow's frame system itself |
| 03:27.28 | Jamash | the latter |
| 03:27.36 | Corey|Here | k, that's what i thought, thanks |
| 03:28.18 | Jamash | NightHawkTheSane: Sometimes the standard isn't 100% clear, or leaves certain things undefined, or is entirely lacking |
| 03:28.35 | NightHawkTheSane | also true |
| 03:31.01 | kd3 | wonders how badly the anaconda rewrite is going to break his setup |
| 03:31.17 | Corey|Here | so uh |
| 03:31.24 | Corey|Here | worm tomorrow, eh |
| 03:31.34 | Jamash | so they say |
| 03:31.41 | kd3 | I expect to point and laugh, not that I'll be on the net anyway |
| 03:31.57 | kd3 | all the machines I have control over are clean |
| 03:31.58 | Corey|Here | i'd laugh if the worm was going to shut down all ports |
| 03:32.03 | Corey|Here | on every computer infected |
| 03:32.08 | Corey|Here | and subsequent routers |
| 03:32.11 | Corey|Here | that'd be awesome |
| 03:32.14 | Corey|Here | effectively break the internet |
| 03:32.30 | Zootfizzle | I guess your life doesn't depend on if it works yet :P |
| 03:32.39 | Corey|Here | heh |
| 03:32.39 | Jamash | I designed a worm to break the internet |
| 03:32.57 | Zootfizzle | Did you ever implement it? |
| 03:33.00 | Jamash | haven't the knowledge or inclination to implement it |
| 03:33.03 | kd3 | meh. just takes doing something stupid to bgp |
| 03:33.20 | Zootfizzle | fears Jamash slightly less :) |
| 03:33.32 | Corey|Here | i wouldn't even know where to start |
| 03:33.44 | Jamash | it would set up a distributed peer-to-peer network and start sharing files between people's pcs |
| 03:33.51 | kd3 | any good comp sci major knows how to break the net |
| 03:34.03 | Jamash | using a hashing system to find the rarest and most "interesting" files |
| 03:35.14 | Jamash | suddenly everyone on the internet would have everyone else's passwords, credit card #s and illegal moose porn collections |
| 03:35.22 | Tem | GHAGSSFEDCLKSJFEIJF |
| 03:35.29 | Tem | 6 wipes on 3d |
| 03:35.31 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, you've got to toss some kind of encryption on it also, otherwise people will just end up arrested for child porn :P |
| 03:35.35 | Tem | I can attribute them all to 2 people |
| 03:35.45 | Jamash | ZorbaTHut: that's the point |
| 03:35.53 | Jamash | chaos, havoc, terror and mayhem! |
| 03:36.00 | kd3 | was your sister bitten by a møøse? |
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| 03:36.56 | Zootfizzle | Tem: You're doing it wrong if you're in an instance tanking for people you don't want to who didn't help you with it when you needed it |
| 03:37.29 | Tem | I've been the tank for every pull of 3d we've ever done |
| 03:37.33 | Tem | we killed it 3 weeks ago |
| 03:37.33 | Zootfizzle | Right. |
| 03:37.43 | Tem | and now we're trying to get the achievement for other people |
| 03:37.45 | Zootfizzle | I remember from yesterday when you hated it |
| 03:37.47 | Tem | I'm just HELLA sick of it |
| 03:38.05 | Corey|Here | i can't understand how people still pve |
| 03:38.13 | Corey|Here | i find it to be no fun at all |
| 03:38.18 | Corey|Here | i enjoy an instance once |
| 03:38.18 | kd3 | detests pvp |
| 03:38.20 | Corey|Here | and that's it |
| 03:38.20 | WobWork | cause pvp is worse? |
| 03:38.23 | kd3 | good thing there's a bunch of options |
| 03:38.26 | Jamash | charge the incompetent people 100g for the first wipe, 200g for the second wipe, 400g for the third wipe... |
| 03:38.38 | Corey|Here | i love arena, though i hate the balance issues always associated with it |
| 03:38.40 | WobWork | per raid member |
| 03:38.41 | Zootfizzle | Jamash: If you start at 100g, they probably won't agree to it |
| 03:38.47 | Jamash | aright, start at 10 |
| 03:39.54 | Jamash | that only adds 3.322 wipes you have to suffer through before they're bankrupt |
| 03:40.12 | Corey|Here | so i'm just outside of dalaran on a flying mount reloading my ui when i fix things - i've been minimized for a while |
| 03:40.23 | Corey|Here | turns out a druid dismounted midflight, typhooned me off my flyer |
| 03:40.26 | Corey|Here | and i fell to my death |
| 03:40.29 | Corey|Here | while minimized |
| 03:40.48 | Corey|Here | *sigh* |
| 03:40.55 | Jamash | I wonder if anything is going to be done about that |
| 03:41.08 | kd3 | don't idle in a pvp area? |
| 03:41.13 | Corey|Here | meh |
| 03:41.23 | Corey|Here | it's either idle in the middle of nowhere |
| 03:41.29 | Corey|Here | or idle in dalaran and have my chat spammed |
| 03:41.35 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.36 | kd3 | ? |
| 03:41.39 | Corey|Here | nope |
| 03:42.01 | Corey|Here | last time i left a main channel, my ui was bugged until the following patch |
| 03:42.04 | Corey|Here | never risking that again |
| 03:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Idle "up higher" |
| 03:42.09 | Jamash | Set up two chat frames, one with no channels in it, and tab to it |
| 03:42.16 | Corey|Here | i could do that |
| 03:42.18 | Corey|Here | but meh |
| 03:42.24 | Corey|Here | i like the 'idle up higher' idea |
| 03:42.35 | Jamash | or log out |
| 03:42.54 | Corey|Here | playing with stuff, logging out wouldn't help one bit :P |
| 03:43.05 | Tem | Zootfizzle, it's not so much that I don't want to help them |
| 03:43.07 | Jamash | or log on a pve server |
| 03:43.10 | Tem | it's just crazy frustrating |
| 03:43.20 | Tem | that there's litterally nothing I can do more to help us not wipe |
| 03:43.40 | Jamash | Tem: So relax, it's not your fault, it's theirs. |
| 03:43.43 | Tem | I'm doing my job and I just have to wait for them to get it |
| 03:43.58 | Corey|Here | you need to strengthen up those shoulders |
| 03:44.01 | Tem | Jamash, but I'm paying repairs that I can't afford on their ineptitude |
| 03:44.11 | Tem | also, I'd rather be doing something else right now |
| 03:44.12 | Corey|Here | go work out so you can carry more weight |
| 03:44.14 | Jamash | Tem: See previous comment regarding charging for wipes |
| 03:44.27 | Corey|Here | you should see my shoulders! |
| 03:44.36 | Tem | I've been banging my head against this boss for 3 nights a week with these guys the last 2 weeks |
| 03:44.52 | kd3 | so, kick those two? |
| 03:44.54 | Zootfizzle | Read: He's been working out his shoulder too much |
| 03:44.55 | Tem | I'm reaching the point where I just can't handle the weak links in this raid anymore |
| 03:44.56 | Corey|Here | why do you still do it if it's not fun |
| 03:45.16 | Zootfizzle | Because he's a nice person who feels obligated to help his guild in return for the help they've given him |
| 03:45.20 | Jamash | You're doing this for the guild, then? So have the Guild Master set up repairs from the guild funds. |
| 03:45.27 | Tem | Zootfizzle, WINNAR |
| 03:45.30 | Jamash | then your repair cost drops to 0 |
| 03:45.51 | Tem | well, I'm keeping track of our wipes tonight |
| 03:45.53 | Corey|Here | sometimes you just need to step back from your screen and ask, "why DO i feel obligated" |
| 03:45.58 | Jamash | Being so nice you do things for people that you don't want to do, resulting in you hating them, is not that nice. |
| 03:46.01 | Corey|Here | i used to have that problem |
| 03:46.12 | Tem | and so far 6/7 are all attributed to the two weak links |
| 03:46.21 | Tem | and I want them out of this raid next time |
| 03:46.39 | Tem | I will tell the raid leader as much after we're done if we don't kill him tonight |
| 03:46.44 | Zootfizzle | I've only ever done sarth 1d |
| 03:46.50 | Zootfizzle | And we did it with half our raid dead |
| 03:46.56 | Jamash | I've wiped on sarth 1d, does that count? |
| 03:47.11 | Zootfizzle | So it's hard for me to imagine how 2 people end up wiping 3d |
| 03:47.24 | Jamash | depends on their role |
| 03:47.42 | MentalPower | zomg! Zootfizzle here! |
| 03:47.44 | Jamash | if they're dps, they'd have to be pretty bad, if they're healers, it's easier to imagine |
| 03:47.50 | Corey|Here | i tried 2manning sarth10 once |
| 03:47.57 | Corey|Here | did you know those drakes have an enrage timer? |
| 03:47.57 | Tem | Zootfizzle, 3d is amazingly hard |
| 03:48.05 | Zootfizzle | It's not something like Archimonde where one person dying can kill the whole raid? |
| 03:48.06 | Tem | also the 2 weak links are a healer and a tank |
| 03:48.19 | Tem | we run 3 tank 2 healer |
| 03:48.20 | Zootfizzle | This also explains why your guild feels the need to help them |
| 03:48.28 | kd3 | if sarth+1 is a ~60, sarth+2 is a 75... sarth+3 is a 110 |
| 03:48.31 | Tem | the drake tank is failing to keep agro |
| 03:48.50 | Corey|Here | wow, really? |
| 03:48.56 | Corey|Here | that's pretty terrible |
| 03:48.58 | Tem | he's a pretty bad feral druid |
| 03:49.01 | Jamash | bad tank is bad |
| 03:49.02 | Corey|Here | god |
| 03:49.04 | Corey|Here | a FERAL |
| 03:49.06 | Corey|Here | on top of it |
| 03:49.15 | Tem | we're looking to replace him |
| 03:49.34 | Tem | and the healer is tunnel visioning |
| 03:49.38 | Tem | and dying to voids/walls/adds |
| 03:49.38 | Corey|Here | give me his info, i'll log on and mash all four buttons |
| 03:49.52 | Jamash | I've watched my sister tank as feral |
| 03:49.58 | Jamash | 123123123123123123123123123123123123123123 |
| 03:50.01 | Corey|Here | haha |
| 03:50.53 | Zootfizzle | Sometimes being good at WoW means being able to prez butan for eight minutes in a row, not everyone has the attention span to do the same thing in response to a variety of changing shiny lights |
| 03:51.31 | Jamash | Q: why is my event handler failing to run? A: You forgot to register for the event, you idiot |
| 03:51.33 | Zootfizzle | "Oooh, lava, what am I supposed to do?" "Oh, the same thing as before" |
| 03:52.12 | kd3 | I love the FailBot mod. "<Raid tard> fails at lava walls." |
| 03:52.14 | ZorbaTHut | I think it'd be a hilarious roadblock to just put a Heigan lookalike at the beginning of Ulduar. Only he doesn't do any damage, and the only way to get past him is to survive for two entire rounds of both phases. |
| 03:52.36 | kd3 | /still/ has not gotten the safety dance on heroic |
| 03:52.40 | kd3 | sighs |
| 03:53.00 | Jamash | my guild downed Patchwerk for the first time last week |
| 03:53.04 | ZorbaTHut | I've done Heigan three times, and died once . . . when the tank failed the dance and heigan destroyed us. |
| 03:53.11 | Jamash | then we got roadblocked by a gargoyle |
| 03:53.21 | kd3 | meh, I can do safety dance fine. it's the idiots in the raid |
| 03:53.22 | ZorbaTHut | to my knowledge I have been hit by the goop once ever, and it didn't kill me. it is not that hard guys >:( |
| 03:53.44 | kd3 | I can do shocking! just fine too, but that also takes 24 other non-idiots |
| 03:53.49 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the second time I beat him, we ended up with three people killing him for 15 minutes |
| 03:53.51 | ZorbaTHut | tank, offtank, and healer |
| 03:53.52 | Tem | Oh |
| 03:53.53 | ZorbaTHut | it was painful |
| 03:53.55 | Jamash | we downed the dps race boss, and couldn't dps down a trash mob |
| 03:54.09 | Tem | and waiting 6m after every goddamn wipe for Heroism is TOTALLY making this better |
| 03:54.19 | kd3 | har. I've still got that "fails at gargoyles" vid back from the naxx60 days |
| 03:54.25 | Tem | brb restarting |
| 03:54.30 | Jamash | kd3: do tell |
| 03:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: My first 10-man heigan kill ended up with 3 people alive and it being like a 34 minute fight >< |
| 03:54.56 | kd3 | a screencast running at 3x speed of a raid that took like 20-25 tries to kill the first garg at the entrance to plague |
| 03:55.15 | Jamash | yeah, that's us |
| 03:55.20 | Jamash | except in naxx10 |
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| 03:56.26 | Jamash | our guild has an internal reputation for downing bosses and wiping on trash |
| 03:56.32 | ZorbaTHut | night, ughhh |
| 03:57.08 | ZorbaTHut | the funny part is that midway through our shaman healer got his battle res back, and we ended up discussing on vent who we should res (while doing the dance, of course) |
| 03:57.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Shadowed (n=outlaw@c-69-181-37-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:57.22 | ZorbaTHut | we finally chose, and the guy lasted about 30 seconds :( |
| 03:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 03:57.32 | Jamash | shaman have bres? |
| 03:57.34 | kd3 | s/shaman/druid/ |
| 03:57.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i assume he meant druid :P |
| 03:57.37 | ZorbaTHut | oh, no, druid |
| 03:57.42 | Jamash | indeed |
| 03:57.44 | ZorbaTHut | sorry, brainfart :P |
| 03:57.53 | ZorbaTHut | shamans are the one with the built-in soulstone ;) |
| 03:58.18 | ZorbaTHut | (I'm pretty sure we had a shaman who ankh'ed himself and died within seconds also) |
| 03:59.00 | Jamash | running instances with both a shaman and a warlock is nice |
| 03:59.24 | Jamash | my sister's a warlock and her housemate's a shaman, so I've gotten kind of used to it |
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| 04:00.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 04:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | < Jamash> my sister's a warlock and her housemate's a shaman |
| 04:00.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Did that strike anyone else as just... weird? |
| 04:00.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "my sister is a warlock" wat |
| 04:01.06 | Jamash | it's quicker than typing "'s main " |
| 04:01.24 | Jamash | and anyway if you knew her it wouldn't strike you as weird |
| 04:01.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: no, only you |
| 04:01.57 | Corey|Here | http://norganna.pastey.net/111364 |
| 04:02.00 | Corey|Here | anyone mind taking a look at this real quick for me? |
| 04:02.05 | Corey|Here | what's happening is: |
| 04:02.33 | Corey|Here | i get a blank frame (and by blank i mean no background/border) in the center of my screen on game-load, text is WoW Risk |
| 04:02.38 | Corey|Here | there is an x button that shows up but does nothing |
| 04:02.59 | Corey|Here | and my actual command to load the addon (/wowrisk) won't even allow me to hit enter in the chatbox |
| 04:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Turn lua errors on in-game |
| 04:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | escape --> options --> help --> lua errors |
| 04:03.36 | Jamash | are you writing a clone of Risk in wow? |
| 04:03.40 | Corey|Here | yea i got it |
| 04:03.42 | Corey|Here | and yea jamash |
| 04:03.56 | Corey|Here | i want it to support up to 4 players and have saveable games |
| 04:04.10 | Arrowmaster | can you legally do that? |
| 04:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | reload your UI and then try to do your slash command again |
| 04:04.14 | Corey|Here | no idea |
| 04:04.26 | Corey|Here | people have made bejeweled, tetris attack |
| 04:04.34 | Corey|Here | as long as i'm not selling it, i don't see what they could do |
| 04:04.43 | Jamash | well, bejeweled is official |
| 04:04.45 | Arrowmaster | bejeweled was authorized by popcap |
| 04:04.49 | Corey|Here | ah |
| 04:04.50 | Jamash | dunno about tetris attack |
| 04:05.27 | Jamash | is there a command to get a full list of ~ command from purl? I tried "help" but it doesn't have everything |
| 04:05.30 | Corey|Here | maybe i should ask for permission....at some point |
| 04:05.30 | Arrowmaster | tetris is so old im not sure if its even needed, dont know what exactly 'tetris attack' is though |
| 04:05.47 | Corey|Here | tetris attack was a head-to-head puzzle game for snes |
| 04:05.59 | Corey|Here | very addictive, i can't really explain it though |
| 04:06.15 | Arrowmaster | oh i think ive seen a few of those |
| 04:06.31 | Corey|Here | interface\addons\wowrisk\wowrisk.lua: 26:attempt to index global 'WoWRisk_Frame' (a nil value) |
| 04:07.17 | Corey|Here | WoWRisk_Frame:Show() |
| 04:07.28 | Corey|Here | so the frame in the xml doc is showing as nil |
| 04:07.41 | Arrowmaster | are you loading the lua from the toc before the xml? |
| 04:07.43 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:07.55 | Corey|Here | let me double check |
| 04:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | WoWRisk_Frame is not the name of your frame |
| 04:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.06 | Corey|Here | oh |
| 04:08.08 | Corey|Here | i called it wowrisk |
| 04:08.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "WoWRisk" is |
| 04:08.11 | Corey|Here | durudrudr |
| 04:08.46 | Corey|Here | yay new errors |
| 04:09.45 | Corey|Here | do i need to reference my lua file within the xml file if the xml file is calling methods outside of the onload /onevent scripts? |
| 04:09.48 | Corey|Here | ...if that made sense |
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| 04:11.06 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 04:11.16 | Arrowmaster | most people dont tend to actually use xml |
| 04:11.19 | Arrowmaster | because it sucks |
| 04:11.40 | Corey|Here | xml is actually pretty amazing |
| 04:12.00 | Arrowmaster | for wow it sucks |
| 04:12.13 | Zootfizzle | It's good to use it with WoW for different reasons than you would normally use XML. |
| 04:12.25 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster, thanks for your help on the forums |
| 04:12.28 | Jamash | reasons such as...? |
| 04:13.21 | Arrowmaster | main reason being its much simplier and less confusing to just do everything in lua instead of creating frames in xml and then manipulating them with lua |
| 04:13.33 | Jamash | I mean, when I read some of the WoW base UI code and it has the same declaration repeated 20 times in a row with the name incremented by 1 each time, I have to wonder |
| 04:13.38 | Zootfizzle | If you're going to create multiple copies of an object, it's better for memory reasons to use a XML templated frame |
| 04:13.48 | Corey|Here | ugh |
| 04:13.49 | Corey|Here | curse is down |
| 04:13.50 | Corey|Here | kill me now |
| 04:13.58 | Jamash | ~kill Corey|Here |
| 04:14.00 | Corey|Here | i hope wow-interface has what i want |
| 04:14.02 | Jamash | no, huh |
| 04:14.25 | Corey|Here | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10005-FlightpathPuzzleLeague.html |
| 04:14.28 | Corey|Here | this is the one i was talking about |
| 04:14.32 | Zootfizzle | Jamash: The WoW base UI code is something that's been in progress for years now, and since people are always using it, we can't immediately change every part we might want to because we know how to do something better than we had previously |
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| 04:14.40 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: thats about the only technical reason to use xml though right? |
| 04:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | There is another |
| 04:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Once WoW has processed the XML file, it is unloaded from memory entirely |
| 04:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lua files remain intact period |
| 04:15.55 | Jamash | that's an interesting point |
| 04:16.03 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1 is correct. :) |
| 04:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I got that from you ;) |
| 04:16.21 | End | you can't get rid of lua files? |
| 04:16.26 | Arrowmaster | unless your addon is huge that sounds like a minor point |
| 04:16.39 | Jamash | so, someone should write a lua-to-xml compiler :p |
| 04:16.46 | ScytheBlade1 | points at several addons which have an XML file >100kb |
| 04:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Minor point sure, but a point just the same |
| 04:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Also |
| 04:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | points at the WoW UI |
| 04:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ;P |
| 04:17.16 | Arrowmaster | well those >100kb xml files would probably be a lot smaller if done well in lua |
| 04:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | debatable |
| 04:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | but probable |
| 04:17.31 | Jamash | 2.32 MB lua, 1.86 MB xml in the blizzard code |
| 04:17.40 | WobWork | hehe http://www.teefury.com/ |
| 04:17.47 | WobWork | CHEST CAT IS WATCHING YOU |
| 04:18.13 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: I get what you're saying, I'm a big Lua fan, I just think you should use both, if you can, when you can, when there are tangible benefits to doing so |
| 04:18.17 | Jamash | The lua is probably byte-compiled as well, which might make it smaller than its source size |
| 04:19.36 | Jamash | are respecs on the PTR still full cost? |
| 04:19.47 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: right, but a lot of the beginner stuff where its like a single frame or two not using any templates doesnt benifit from xml, and the worst would be the ones that just have an OnLoad and OnEvent |
| 04:19.52 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, depending on who is wearing it i might be watching the chest... |
| 04:20.15 | Jamash | chests often have loot |
| 04:20.20 | Jamash | wait, what are we talking about? |
| 04:20.25 | kd3 | in more ways than one |
| 04:20.50 | WobWork | not booty though |
| 04:20.51 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: That's correct from a perspective that your addon is the only one running, but if somebody has 234 addons that all keep an extra 50k worth of Lua around, that's a big deal |
| 04:21.13 | Zootfizzle | If they don't scope anything correctly that's even worse |
| 04:21.32 | WobWork | bad scoping is bad |
| 04:21.38 | kd3 | stopped caring about what kind of memory the ui was using when it sunk in that wow itself uses a few orders of magnitude more |
| 04:21.51 | Jamash | for most of my addons the savedvariables cost is the majority of the memory usage |
| 04:21.56 | Jamash | like lootlink |
| 04:21.59 | Jamash | or auctioneer |
| 04:22.27 | Thunder_Child | recount |
| 04:23.02 | Corey|Here | sorry, i got COMPLETELY sidetracked for a second on that legality thing - i ended up emailing the tetris attack author and asking about his issues with copyright etc |
| 04:23.25 | Jamash | respecs are full price on PTR :( |
| 04:23.27 | Zootfizzle | continues to not forgive Corey|Here for his various transgressions |
| 04:23.43 | Zootfizzle | We must be done testing that :( |
| 04:23.49 | Jamash | I wouldn't write a Risk addon for wow |
| 04:23.57 | Corey|Here | and yea - lua was loaded before xml in the toc |
| 04:24.01 | Jamash | ...because I hate Risk |
| 04:24.08 | Corey|Here | is that wrong? |
| 04:24.12 | WobWork | personally I don't see why they should be full price on the PTR at -any- time |
| 04:24.23 | Corey|Here | how can you hate risk1?1 |
| 04:24.34 | Jamash | had to test it for Playstation 2 |
| 04:24.44 | WobWork | What are you trying to moderate with a subjectively high price on respecs? |
| 04:24.59 | Thordurin | April 1 EST, so far no Conficker |
| 04:25.08 | Jamash | I need to respec frequently to test my addon, so it's kind of annoying |
| 04:25.14 | Thordurin | hugs Cairenn because he's scared |
| 04:25.22 | Thunder_Child | If youre worried about the Conficker worm striking on April 1st, dont be. |
| 04:25.22 | Thunder_Child | On April 1st the Conficker worm will simply start taking more steps to protect itself. Beginning on April 1st the worm will use a communications system that is more difficult for security researchers to interrupt. |
| 04:25.33 | Thunder_Child | according to norton that is |
| 04:25.35 | Thunder_Child | http://www.symantec.com/norton/theme.jsp?themeid=conficker_worm&inid=us_ghp_promo_conficker_worm |
| 04:25.36 | Cairenn | hugs Thordurin |
| 04:26.02 | Zootfizzle | WobWork: It's not an issue of moderation, it has to do with having the PTR mimic Live |
| 04:26.17 | Jamash | they were always 1c for a long time |
| 04:26.22 | Jamash | then that changed |
| 04:26.46 | WobWork | but something like respec costs can (hopefully) be set without too much difficulty, no? |
| 04:26.50 | kd3 | if I wasn't in the middle of the raid I'd wire you a few thousand gold. not that it means anything on the ptr |
| 04:26.58 | WobWork | exactly |
| 04:27.58 | Zootfizzle | WobWork: I can't go into the details, what I can do is give you the reason behind what you see and hope you believe me that the explanation would be good :) |
| 04:28.13 | kd3 | aren't heisenbugs great? |
| 04:28.23 | tekkub | kd3: totally |
| 04:28.29 | WobWork | Zootfizzle: no fear =) |
| 04:29.01 | Jamash | Ideally addon authors would have a special server where they could have GM powers for... testing purposes ;-) |
| 04:29.35 | kd3 | "Let's go solo Illidan!" |
| 04:29.41 | WobWork | meh |
| 04:29.42 | Jamash | "For testing purposes!" |
| 04:29.50 | tekkub | yea you know damn well that everyone but authors would be there |
| 04:29.52 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:29.55 | ZorbaTHut | for testing purposes, who would win in a fight: illidan, or 50 onyxias |
| 04:30.00 | Zootfizzle | We'd need to have a way to register addon authors and it'd have to have a restriction like you can't go anywhere but Eastern Kingdoms :P |
| 04:30.00 | WobWork | anyone who has ever had unlimited power on a multiplayer game, knows just how boring it can be after a while |
| 04:30.06 | ZorbaTHut | it's an *important test* guys |
| 04:30.15 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, exactly |
| 04:30.29 | Thunder_Child | the fun is in the challenge |
| 04:30.31 | ScytheBlade1 | My ability to solo illidan is absolutely vital to the testing of my addon |
| 04:30.34 | Corey|Here | all i have to say is |
| 04:30.35 | Corey|Here | twelve |
| 04:30.37 | Corey|Here | MILLION |
| 04:30.38 | Corey|Here | players |
| 04:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Such restrictions would not be welcome! |
| 04:30.43 | kd3 | wha, you guys don't have an "addon author asshole" flag on players' accounts? |
| 04:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:30.50 | Corey|Here | even if everyone got bored you'd have people on there 24/7 |
| 04:30.55 | End | I'm an asshole |
| 04:30.57 | End | and an author |
| 04:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ~kd3++ |
| 04:31.00 | End | but not at the same time |
| 04:31.01 | WobWork | I'd've thought Tekkub would've been tagged |
| 04:31.08 | WobWork | right off the bat =P |
| 04:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | and clad |
| 04:31.10 | tekkub | and bagged |
| 04:31.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage- (n=nnscript@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 04:31.31 | tekkub | I get no special author ass love from zoot |
| 04:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | admittedly he's normally nice, but watching him yell at a random person for being a prick is a sight to behold |
| 04:31.38 | Zootfizzle | I've bagged tekkub's mom |
| 04:31.41 | Corey|Here | <Backdrop bgFile="Interface\\TutorialFrame\\TutorialFrameBackground" |
| 04:31.41 | Corey|Here | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.42 | Zootfizzle | He's still jealous |
| 04:31.49 | Corey|Here | does this look right? |
| 04:31.51 | Jamash | I want the ability to level myself from 1 to 80 and back down to 1... heyo, what was that |
| 04:31.55 | tekkub | zoot, you're not at all her type |
| 04:31.57 | Corey|Here | or is this tutorial out of date |
| 04:32.03 | WobWork | she doesn't like gnomes? |
| 04:32.06 | tekkub | too much testosterone and too little boobies |
| 04:32.06 | Corey|Here | i'm definitely getting no background or border on my frame |
| 04:32.20 | tekkub | *two little boobies? |
| 04:32.20 | Zootfizzle | When I turn off the lights she sees things my way |
| 04:32.39 | WobWork | well... unless she has night vision |
| 04:32.42 | WobWork | that's undoubtedly true |
| 04:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Corey|Here: WoW\Logs\FrameXML.log, check the contents of that file |
| 04:32.57 | WobWork | You'd both be seeing... black! |
| 04:33.29 | Corey|Here | is it save to delete the contents and run the addon again as a clear mechanism? |
| 04:33.33 | Corey|Here | safe* not save |
| 04:33.42 | Corey|Here | i'm going to assume yet |
| 04:33.43 | Corey|Here | yes* |
| 04:33.49 | Corey|Here | but just double checking |
| 04:34.16 | Zootfizzle | Corey|Here: Its contents are cleared when you load/reload the UI |
| 04:34.22 | Jamash | I need to spawn Kel'Thuzad in org to test whether my addon works if you unlearn your talents while in combat |
| 04:34.27 | tekkub | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LICD/~3/Qxv0nMN9J9E/20090401 |
| 04:34.28 | Zootfizzle | You don't need to do it, since you have to do that to reload your addon anyway |
| 04:34.30 | Corey|Here | ah ok |
| 04:34.51 | Jamash | tekkub: buh |
| 04:35.00 | WobWork | tekkub: sotrue |
| 04:35.32 | Zootfizzle | ROFL |
| 04:35.40 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder what *does* happen if you unlearn your talents while in combat |
| 04:35.44 | Corey|Here | 3/31 23:35:16.721 Binding TOGGLECURRENCY is defined more than once in Interface\FrameXML\Bindings.xml |
| 04:35.58 | Jamash | hahaha |
| 04:36.23 | tekkub | ZorbaTHut: how the hell do you do that |
| 04:36.38 | Jamash | easy, talk to your talent trainer while being ganked by a rogue |
| 04:36.40 | tekkub | if you got a hordie to attack you at the trainer, wouldn't the trainers just attack him? |
| 04:36.41 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, get someone to attack you in pvp next to a trainer in a city ;) |
| 04:36.51 | Jamash | see, I think about edge cases like this |
| 04:36.55 | WobWork | duel? |
| 04:36.56 | ZorbaTHut | choose a low-level trainer so they have a low aggro radius? |
| 04:36.57 | tekkub | and then you can't interact with them cause they're in combat |
| 04:37.20 | ZorbaTHut | or exploit delay - rogue attacks, you hit unlearn before the NPC goes into combat |
| 04:37.22 | tekkub | WobWork: duel in town? |
| 04:37.29 | Zootfizzle | Fixed in 3.1 IIRC :) |
| 04:37.32 | ZorbaTHut | there's trainers outside of towns |
| 04:37.34 | tekkub | only bad spot is the one at the IF mailbox, right? |
| 04:37.34 | WobWork | could be done in places |
| 04:37.43 | tekkub | oh duh |
| 04:37.45 | tekkub | I smrt |
| 04:38.06 | tekkub | well, I think it's time for us to go crash somt PTR |
| 04:38.09 | WobWork | I like how there are often hunter trainers everywhere |
| 04:38.10 | tekkub | who's with me? |
| 04:38.26 | kd3 | I <3 crashing the ptr |
| 04:38.28 | WobWork | how will you do so Tek? |
| 04:38.29 | Jamash | there used to be hunter pet trainers everywhere |
| 04:38.42 | Jamash | then they got rid of hunter pet trainers |
| 04:38.43 | kd3 | giving the sysadmins migraines is fun |
| 04:38.51 | WobWork | they're still there |
| 04:38.57 | tekkub | we get everyone at the same low level town and all de-spec in combat at the same time |
| 04:40.02 | Jamash | In the Horizons beta, you could put any number of items in the trade window at once |
| 04:40.11 | Jamash | but if you put more than about a hundred in and hit "trade" the server would crash |
| 04:41.26 | Jamash | Hmm, I think I just figured out a way |
| 04:41.36 | Jamash | where's a critter when you need one |
| 04:41.57 | Jamash | no, wait, even better: GAMON |
| 04:42.07 | Jamash | I hope he's alive |
| 04:42.29 | tekkub | can you train gamon to the class trainers? |
| 04:42.34 | Jamash | finding out now |
| 04:42.58 | kd3 | oh... random query. is linking statistics fixed yet? |
| 04:44.16 | Corey|Here | <Backdrop bgFile="Interface\\TutorialFrame\\TutorialFrameBackground" edgeFile="Interface\\DialogFrame\\UI-DialogBox-Border" tile="true"> |
| 04:44.21 | Corey|Here | is this pointing to the right spot? |
| 04:44.44 | Corey|Here | trying to decipher border/background not showing up and apparently my xml is parsing correctly |
| 04:45.09 | Jamash | well, it turns out you can untalent in combat |
| 04:46.27 | Jamash | you can't swap specs in combat, so I don't need to test that... |
| 04:50.00 | Mike-N-Go | Corey|Here: For the slash commands, 'text' is case insensitive in '/text' |
| 04:50.27 | Jamash | now, how about learning/unlearning a tradeskill in combat? |
| 04:54.46 | Jamash | ha, I found a bug in my addon that nobody but me would ever encounter |
| 04:54.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Corrodias (i=no@adsl-75-17-205-147.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:55.36 | Thunder_Child | kd3, you mean you vs. them? |
| 04:55.45 | kd3 | "deaths by hogger" |
| 04:55.52 | WobWork | if player_name == "Jamash" then...? |
| 04:55.53 | kd3 | "This achievement is in progress by Kaydeethree" |
| 04:56.29 | Corey|Here | ah HAH! eureka |
| 04:56.30 | Jamash | WobWork: If you unlearn an ability while in combat and then (while still in combat) attempt to shift-click the button to make a link, it makes a link to the wrong skill |
| 04:56.34 | Corey|Here | i've got a moving frame |
| 04:56.43 | Corey|Here | *clapforself* |
| 04:57.57 | Jamash | I need to resolve some issues with using spellbook ids vs absolute spell ids |
| 04:58.01 | WobWork | Jamash: so the crafting info is deferred by combat |
| 04:58.29 | Jamash | actually no, the spellbook updates correctly, my addon doesn't |
| 04:58.36 | Jamash | or rather it updates some things and not others |
| 04:58.49 | Jamash | it's a secure button thing, it's kind of confusing |
| 05:04.39 | Jamash | and then wow crashes |
| 05:06.56 | Dagmar | That's interesting. |
| 05:07.03 | Dagmar | That may mean there's a bug in the API |
| 05:07.10 | Jamash | nah, I think it was unrelated |
| 05:07.17 | Jamash | I'd just had the PTR client open for like five hours |
| 05:07.20 | Dagmar | See if it's repeatable |
| 05:07.52 | Jamash | I'm really not sure what I did |
| 05:08.04 | Jamash | it involved doing silly things in combat, though |
| 05:08.15 | Jamash | and reloading the ui a lot |
| 05:09.44 | Corey|Here | is there a good page listing all the ui availbility of wow? |
| 05:09.53 | Corey|Here | like...as of right now i'm trying to find all of the button types |
| 05:10.00 | Corey|Here | but i can't find a good place with a listing |
| 05:10.09 | Jamash | you mean all the widget templates? |
| 05:10.12 | Corey|Here | yea |
| 05:10.18 | Jamash | I was wishing for that myself |
| 05:10.23 | Corey|Here | it doesn't exist? |
| 05:10.25 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 05:10.25 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 05:10.33 | Jamash | the API and the widget types are documented, but I don't know if all the templates are |
| 05:10.44 | Arrowmaster | templates are not |
| 05:10.52 | Dewin | Hmm... I uncovered some official Blizzard artwork about Patch 3.1: http://tinypic.com/4duimgp2 |
| 05:11.05 | Corey|Here | thanks purl, i'll check it out |
| 05:11.37 | Jamash | Dewin: haw haw haw |
| 05:11.41 | Iriel | Generally because you can extract the code for the templates and the Blizzard UI, it doesn't get the same kind of documentation attention |
| 05:12.20 | Jamash | yeah, I just grep for stuff |
| 05:12.20 | Corey|Here | this is seriously hell to navigate |
| 05:12.22 | tekkub | hrm.. holy priest, 1H mace, what chant should I put on it? |
| 05:12.43 | Corey|Here | 63sp |
| 05:12.45 | Vonhinten | 63 spell power? |
| 05:12.47 | Dewin | Jamash: Like? Recognize? |
| 05:13.23 | tekkub | abyss crystals, joy |
| 05:13.25 | Jamash | Dewin: Ew. Yes. |
| 05:13.36 | Vonhinten | or the lesser sp enchant is good |
| 05:14.03 | Jamash | 50 spellpower is good enough for me |
| 05:14.08 | tekkub | yea I think I'm gonna be a cheap dick on that |
| 05:14.15 | Dagmar | Check your auction house |
| 05:14.23 | tekkub | if I get a naxx weapon I'll put the better one on it |
| 05:14.29 | Vonhinten | 13sp isn't gonna break the game |
| 05:14.38 | tekkub | or IS IT? |
| 05:14.47 | Jamash | I generally reserve enchants that require epic mats for epics, yeah. |
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| 05:15.08 | Vonhinten | We hand out abyss crystals for BiS only |
| 05:15.35 | Zootfizzle | 13 sp is a difference that only shows up if you're playing with a ton of other people who are as good as you or better with high expectations |
| 05:15.42 | tekkub | BiS? |
| 05:15.45 | Corey|Here | i'm noticing in a few addons that i'm scouting out as reference material that a few widgets are named " = $parentxxxxxxxxwhateverxxxxxxxxx" |
| 05:15.46 | Jamash | best in slot |
| 05:15.47 | Vonhinten | best in slot |
| 05:15.53 | tekkub | oh |
| 05:15.55 | Corey|Here | what's the significance of the $parent in the name? |
| 05:16.06 | Vonhinten | inherited name |
| 05:16.09 | tekkub | yea this is a heroic drop, not BiS |
| 05:16.10 | Jamash | using "$parent" tacks the name of the parent widget on the front |
| 05:16.20 | Arrowmaster | useful for templates |
| 05:16.28 | Corey|Here | ah ok |
| 05:16.54 | Zootfizzle | Useful for any frame definition :) |
| 05:16.56 | ZorbaTHut | is there any clean way to remove lines from the tooltip? |
| 05:16.57 | Jamash | So if you have <widget name="Something"> <subwidget name="$parentElse"> </subwidget> </widget> then the subwidget will be named SomethingElse |
| 05:17.13 | Corey|Here | so the $parent is a templated button (in this case) that pulls all of the previously stored settings and adds whatever else is new within the upcoming code? |
| 05:17.26 | Corey|Here | ah |
| 05:17.32 | Corey|Here | is it strictly name only? no code is transferred? |
| 05:17.37 | Vonhinten | right |
| 05:17.39 | Jamash | just the name |
| 05:17.41 | Corey|Here | that seems... |
| 05:17.43 | Corey|Here | rather pointless |
| 05:17.56 | Corey|Here | i guess it's cleaner, in a sense |
| 05:18.00 | Jamash | As mentioned, it's valuable for templates |
| 05:18.03 | Corey|Here | nod |
| 05:18.10 | Zootfizzle | ZorbaTHut: Use an OnTooltipSetMethod to hide the lines |
| 05:18.14 | Corey|Here | thanks |
| 05:18.17 | Iriel | Most of the $parent uses are in templates |
| 05:18.26 | Iriel | so they're extremely useful as the template has MANY parents |
| 05:18.28 | Vonhinten | How else would you reference UI elements of a template within code? Can't give them a static name, or you limit it to only one instance |
| 05:18.47 | ZorbaTHut | zoot, can you give me a keyword to look for for that? not sure where to start, and that has no hits on wowwiki |
| 05:18.57 | Corey|Here | i think i'm going to go ahead and use $parent in my widgets right away |
| 05:18.58 | Corey|Here | just in case |
| 05:19.02 | Zootfizzle | O |
| 05:19.07 | Zootfizzle | Sorry about the O |
| 05:19.10 | Corey|Here | i'd hate to haev to come back later once i figure out more what i'm doing and have to recode |
| 05:19.11 | Zootfizzle | Gimme a second |
| 05:19.14 | Jamash | I'd like it if one could access children of an element with the api it's not vital |
| 05:19.15 | Dagmar | Vonhinten: You could always try a system that references them all anonymously, but that causes insanity |
| 05:19.18 | kd3 | yay, "Heroic: The Safety Dance" |
| 05:19.21 | kd3 | ... |
| 05:19.24 | Zootfizzle | Grats kd3! |
| 05:19.29 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: OnTooltipSet* |
| 05:19.30 | Jamash | s/api/api but/ |
| 05:19.33 | Zootfizzle | You _can_ dance if you want to |
| 05:19.48 | kd3 | meh, I do it in my sleep |
| 05:19.52 | Thunder_Child | damit Zootfizzle....thanks for getting that crap stuck in my head |
| 05:19.53 | kd3 | it's the 24 other people in the raid |
| 05:19.54 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: http://norganna.pastey.net/111370 |
| 05:20.11 | Zootfizzle | Thanks Iriel ;) |
| 05:20.14 | ZorbaTHut | ah perfect, thanks iriel :) |
| 05:21.43 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, that only lets me detect when it's changed, though, not actually remove lines - the problem is that it doesn't seem to have a RemoveLine() function, the best I can do is make a backup of all the lines, call ClearLines(), and add them all back in :P |
| 05:22.29 | Zootfizzle | What happens if you hide the lines and re-call show? |
| 05:23.03 | ZorbaTHut | they're still visible. :( |
| 05:23.05 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: trying to hide the 3.1 quest info on units? |
| 05:23.09 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, yeah |
| 05:23.20 | Zootfizzle | What if you SetText("")? |
| 05:23.21 | Arrowmaster | why not just use it instead? |
| 05:23.24 | Jamash | is there no UI option for that? |
| 05:23.34 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, I think it's uglier than mine is, and it doesn't provide the same amount of information that mine does either |
| 05:24.00 | Arrowmaster | does yours match on guids instead of unitnames yet? |
| 05:24.08 | ZorbaTHut | zoot, muckin' with it. this is moving into messy, which is why I asked if there was a clean method ;) |
| 05:24.10 | Fisker- | I'll stop being a troll |
| 05:24.15 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, part of 1.0, which I'm de-bugging at this point |
| 05:24.27 | Thunder_Child | "Fisker-: I'll stop being a troll" Massive BS |
| 05:24.44 | Fisker- | LOLOLOL APRIL FOOLS |
| 05:24.50 | Fisker- | wins |
| 05:24.52 | Jamash | ~lart Fisker- |
| 05:24.52 | purl | beats Fisker- into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 05:24.54 | Zootfizzle | ZorbaTHut: SetText("") and Show() while its visible would be what any function we can give you would replicate if it works, which is why I'm asking :) |
| 05:25.12 | ZorbaTHut | zoot, wouldn't you also be able to adjust the internal counter of which line it's on, though? |
| 05:25.16 | ZorbaTHut | like, removing them is the easy part |
| 05:25.23 | ZorbaTHut | the hard part is making it work properly when someone does AddLine() afterwards |
| 05:25.48 | Iriel | I seem to recall sometimes we've had to clear all lines and add them back |
| 05:25.56 | Vonhinten | prevent the lines from being added int he first place? |
| 05:26.00 | Arrowmaster | is that what tooltip mods do? |
| 05:26.12 | Iriel | so a 'remove line N' API which does the appropriate set text and then adjusts the internal line counter /would/ be awesome |
| 05:26.12 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, was there a clever method you came up with to store all the lines easily? |
| 05:26.20 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, it's done in C++, I can't touch it |
| 05:26.21 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: No, it was ugly |
| 05:26.24 | Vonhinten | bah |
| 05:26.29 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, that was not the answer I was hoping for :( |
| 05:26.48 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: But it's the answer you expected, right? 8-) |
| 05:27.06 | ZorbaTHut | well, yes. ;) |
| 05:27.35 | Zootfizzle | I'm just trying to help come up with a way to solve the problem now, I'll stop if you want the perfect API solution, I can't give it to you |
| 05:28.04 | ZorbaTHut | zoot, it's totally appreciated, thanks for the help. I'm just sorta trying to make this as non-horrible as possible :) |
| 05:28.39 | Vonhinten | Is this controlled by a UI option? part of the advanced quest tracking stuff? |
| 05:28.40 | Iriel | I wonder if you blank lines and set their height to 0 if that resolves the add line problem? |
| 05:28.58 | Zootfizzle | You might not even have to blank them |
| 05:29.02 | Jamash | so take Iriel's ugly code, put it into a library and never think about it again |
| 05:29.21 | ZorbaTHut | alright, just "hide" leaves the tooltip vertical spacing very broken - it looks like it's getting confused at having things hidden interspersed with things that aren't hidden |
| 05:29.23 | Arrowmaster | libraries dont solve the problem |
| 05:29.29 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: yes they do |
| 05:29.34 | Arrowmaster | no they dont |
| 05:29.38 | Jamash | duck season |
| 05:29.52 | WobWork | wabbit season |
| 05:30.08 | Jamash | WobWork++ |
| 05:30.33 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: try :SetText(nil) on the line then tooltip:Show() |
| 05:30.34 | Thunder_Child | that requires a '~' |
| 05:30.59 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: i have good reason to believe that will work |
| 05:31.21 | Corey|Here | i'm searching through the wow api/widget api among other places and i can't seem to find - a list of inheritable object types |
| 05:31.40 | Arrowmaster | Corey|Here: you mean frame templates? |
| 05:31.42 | Jamash | grep the wow code for virtual="true" |
| 05:31.44 | Corey|Here | specifically i'm searching for a button like the 'cancel' 'apply' etc |
| 05:31.44 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, it leaves an unpleasant gap, though it's better |
| 05:32.02 | Corey|Here | hrm..not sure arrow |
| 05:32.18 | Zootfizzle | Corey|Here: That's a button that uses UIPanelButtonTemplate |
| 05:32.32 | Corey|Here | as an example, i used thisf or my close button |
| 05:32.35 | Corey|Here | <Button name="$parent_CloseButton" inherits="UIPanelCloseButton"> |
| 05:32.45 | Corey|Here | uipanelbuttontemplate |
| 05:32.47 | Corey|Here | that might be it, sec |
| 05:33.07 | Corey|Here | hrmm nope, bah |
| 05:33.44 | Corey|Here | is there a list of inheritables posted on the web somewhere? |
| 05:33.48 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:34.00 | Jamash | yes |
| 05:34.01 | Jamash | http://norganna.pastey.net/111371 |
| 05:34.17 | Jamash | hmm |
| 05:34.21 | Jamash | can you edit pasteys? |
| 05:34.35 | Jamash | nvm |
| 05:35.01 | Corey|Here | hrmm thanks |
| 05:35.05 | Corey|Here | i think this is going to help a lot |
| 05:35.27 | Jamash | generated using SciTE's "find in files" feature |
| 05:35.33 | Jamash | which I think uses windows find |
| 05:35.35 | Corey|Here | UIPanelButtonTemplate is definitely there |
| 05:35.39 | Corey|Here | but not working ingame |
| 05:35.57 | Corey|Here | hey fisker, are you fisker of nick&fisker ? |
| 05:36.07 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: it uses whatever you set it to use in the config |
| 05:36.53 | Thunder_Child | first of april 1st, http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html |
| 05:37.34 | Jamash | aaaaaaaaaaaaugh |
| 05:37.45 | kd3 | oh geez. fail. someone pulled grobby from the room before |
| 05:37.47 | kd3 | at least he leashes now |
| 05:37.56 | *** join/#wowuidev vince` (i=vschiu@adsl-99-33-95-220.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:38.03 | Jamash | I miss Forum 3000 |
| 05:38.22 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213.21.89.60) |
| 05:39.37 | Corey|Here | UIPanelButtonTemplate seems to pull nothing, but UIPanelButtonTemplate2 seems to pull out a smaller version of the button |
| 05:39.41 | Zootfizzle | Corey|Here: A pastey of your XML file would be a lot more useful |
| 05:39.41 | Corey|Here | weird |
| 05:39.46 | Corey|Here | sure, one second zoot |
| 05:40.22 | Arrowmaster | i for one welcome our new panda loving AI overlord |
| 05:40.25 | Corey|Here | http://norganna.pastey.net/111372 |
| 05:40.30 | Corey|Here | i'll be back in one second, i need some water |
| 05:43.07 | Corey|Here | back |
| 05:43.46 | Corey|Here | forgive the WoWRisk_CancelButton, swithcing to $parent_ |
| 05:43.55 | Arrowmaster | "Six volunteers have climbed into a small metal capsule in Moscow as part of a three-month experiment meant to simulate a voyage to Mars." |
| 05:43.58 | Arrowmaster | "A similar experiment in Moscow virtually collapsed when a multinational team of men and women were allowed to drink alcohol on the eve of the millennium, and simmering tensions between Russian and non-Russian volunteers exploded in a fight for the affections of a female Canadian scientist. Only men are involved this time, and no alcohol." |
| 05:44.35 | Jamash | I think they learned the wrong lesson |
| 05:44.36 | Corey|Here | haha |
| 05:44.47 | Jamash | The correct lesson is to not bring any Russians. |
| 05:45.03 | Lukian | or an equal number of women? ;) |
| 05:45.37 | Corey|Here | OR |
| 05:45.42 | Corey|Here | a really, really ugly woman |
| 05:46.14 | Jamash | or *only* women |
| 05:46.31 | Corey|Here | then who would hold the camera? |
| 05:47.31 | Vonhinten | So Hodir requires Frost Resist gear eh... guess Blizzard hasn't learned their lesson on resist gear |
| 05:47.51 | Jamash | well, at least frost resist gear is easy to get |
| 05:48.12 | Zootfizzle | And also the same resist gear you would have needed for Naxx |
| 05:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | what lesson is it that they're supposed to have learned? |
| 05:48.29 | Jamash | get rid of it entirely? |
| 05:48.34 | tekkub | that resist gear shouldn't be hard to get :P |
| 05:48.35 | Vonhinten | That people don't like having to acquire resistance gear? |
| 05:48.39 | tekkub | oh wait, they did |
| 05:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | That's not really a lesson, so much as an opinion. |
| 05:49.00 | NightHawkTheSane | and clearly not one that blizzard shares. |
| 05:49.21 | End | you didn't really need the resist gear for naxx though |
| 05:49.23 | Jamash | resistances are funny |
| 05:49.44 | NightHawkTheSane | End: need, no, but it could help, depending. |
| 05:49.53 | ZorbaTHut | I've always felt like Blizzard should rig things so that fights intentionally get easier over time, and you get bragging rights (but not in-game bonuses) for doing them earlier |
| 05:49.58 | NightHawkTheSane | in either case, frost resist gear -is- easy to acquire. |
| 05:49.58 | ZorbaTHut | and partially they do, but partially they don't |
| 05:50.00 | Vonhinten | It was my opinion that buffing 40 people every 4 minutes was something that people didn't like, back in the MC days. |
| 05:50.17 | End | anyhow |
| 05:50.33 | End | I don't like frost gear, because I don't like carrying more gear around ;-) |
| 05:50.41 | End | s/frost/resist/ |
| 05:51.07 | End | I'm not sure how much resist you'd be expected to have for hodir though (if any?) |
| 05:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | -that- is a pain, but *shrug* |
| 05:51.30 | Vonhinten | Frozen Blows: Physical damage reduced by 70%, but attacks deal 40000 additional Frost damage. In addition, all enemies suffer 4000 Frost damage every 2 sec. Lasts 20 sec. Hodir gains this ability after casting Flash Freeze. |
| 05:51.39 | tekkub | Zootfizzle: why do the hoomans like to tell me that the "king's on her friend" |
| 05:51.55 | Dagmar | The epic frost resist sets I'm making with leatherworking sell fine |
| 05:52.17 | Dagmar | Evidently they're useful enough or people wouldn't bother |
| 05:52.23 | Zootfizzle | tekkub: They're extoling the virility of their royalty |
| 05:52.39 | tekkub | well we already know he's a dick |
| 05:52.48 | tekkub | that's BLATENTLY obvious |
| 05:52.57 | NightHawkTheSane | his virility is about the only thing to be proud of about wrynn |
| 05:52.59 | Zootfizzle | If you'd been reading the comic, you'd know he's your type |
| 05:53.11 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, c'mon, you've seen how skilled the average player is |
| 05:53.23 | tekkub | he's hardly chubby |
| 05:53.23 | ZorbaTHut | you could craft poop-on-a-stick, and as long as it had a purple name and a lot of numbers, people would buy it |
| 05:53.24 | Dagmar | Every little bit helps sometimes, IMHO |
| 05:53.27 | tekkub | and I doubt furry |
| 05:53.31 | tekkub | plus he's a dick |
| 05:53.46 | tekkub | or does he have a thing for tauren cock? |
| 05:53.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: and if that's the average, half the players have to be worse, so.. i guess its good it's there ;) |
| 05:54.04 | ZorbaTHut | night, well, my point is that "people buy it" is not, in any fashion, a proof that it's useful ;) |
| 05:54.15 | Zootfizzle | His new closest advisor is a night elf that turns into a bear |
| 05:54.17 | Vonhinten | Namlak's Supernumerary Sticker anyone |
| 05:54.36 | tekkub | well hum |
| 05:54.42 | tekkub | maybe he is a furry then |
| 05:54.55 | tekkub | he's stilla dick though |
| 05:55.03 | NightHawkTheSane | not unlike you :P |
| 05:55.06 | Zootfizzle | Like I said, your type |
| 05:55.13 | End | lol |
| 05:55.24 | tekkub | you ever tried dick-to-dick? doesn't work well |
| 05:55.30 | tekkub | you need an ass in the equation |
| 05:55.49 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, you're totally both. |
| 05:55.50 | Dagmar | Yeah, but um... I've sold almost a hundred sets |
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| 05:56.33 | ZorbaTHut | there we go, works now |
| 05:56.37 | ZorbaTHut | that's . . . truly horrifying, really |
| 05:56.47 | WobWork | It can't be denied, Varian is a dick |
| 05:57.19 | Dagmar | Hey, I'd take a set with me if I were worried about taking a lot of frost damage, just because for bloody once you can amass a significant amount of it quickly |
| 05:57.26 | Corey|Here | does anyone know of any small, free online repositories? |
| 05:57.28 | WobWork | After wrathgate, I realised how untrustworthy whatsisface was |
| 05:57.32 | WobWork | and Varian's a dick |
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| 05:57.49 | ZorbaTHut | varian's a dick and thrall's a pushover |
| 05:57.54 | WobWork | tekkub: all you need is lube |
| 05:58.07 | ZorbaTHut | I hope they make a new faction in the next expansion that I can join. I would totally be a goblin-paid mercenary |
| 05:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | (yeah right) |
| 05:58.13 | tekkub | I prefer to think of Thrall as a "pokeover" |
| 05:58.21 | WobWork | or a "bendover"? |
| 05:58.28 | tekkub | "Stop poking me... Stop poking me... Stop poking me... Stop poking me... OKEY FINE!" |
| 05:58.38 | Dagmar | Goblin dailies are more like peace corp missions |
| 05:58.46 | Dagmar | Just slightly more violent. |
| 05:59.00 | WobWork | the wastewander pouches? |
| 05:59.01 | Zootfizzle | tekkub: Is that why they call them grunts? >_> |
| 05:59.15 | Dagmar | They don't hire out for classic "mercenary"-type stuff that I've noticed. |
| 05:59.16 | WobWork | wait, what dailies do the gobbos have? |
| 05:59.17 | tekkub | oh come on Zoot, you can do better |
| 05:59.21 | tekkub | hint: Peons |
| 05:59.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, but they aren't fighting the wastelanders, they just want their stuff. |
| 06:00.03 | ZorbaTHut | for the curious: setting the text to nil, then re-anchoring it to the previous text item without the gap, works great |
| 06:00.04 | WobWork | that's not a daily =P |
| 06:00.07 | WobWork | Just a repeatable |
| 06:00.21 | Jamash | ZorbaTHut: grats |
| 06:00.25 | ZorbaTHut | the API seems to reset the anchors when it rewrites text, so it fixes itself automatically on the next tooltip change |
| 06:00.50 | Dagmar | Their other gigs are all variations on stealing stuff. |
| 06:01.08 | WobWork | well you're technically stealing the pouches |
| 06:01.12 | Jamash | not true |
| 06:01.14 | Dagmar | Dinosaur bones, wood, ore. |
| 06:01.21 | Jamash | sometimes you're stealing stuff back |
| 06:01.25 | Dagmar | Uh huh. |
| 06:01.27 | Jamash | that was already stolen |
| 06:01.28 | WobWork | from those damn gnomes |
| 06:01.38 | Jamash | by pirates |
| 06:01.40 | WobWork | (present company excepted) |
| 06:01.43 | Dagmar | I honestly don't believe a word *those* goblins say. |
| 06:02.22 | Dagmar | You can tell they're lying. |
| 06:02.53 | WobWork | yeah, their mouths start moving |
| 06:02.57 | Dagmar | Pretty much. |
| 06:03.27 | Thunder_Child | no wowi april fools joke over at wowi Cairenn? |
| 06:03.45 | Cairenn | hmmm? |
| 06:03.47 | Cairenn | oh |
| 06:03.48 | Cairenn | nope |
| 06:03.51 | Thunder_Child | boo |
| 06:04.13 | Thunder_Child | should of had Dolby whip up a hellokitty layout for the site or somesuch |
| 06:04.14 | End | you should announce umm, awesomeness for everyone |
| 06:04.36 | Thunder_Child | or all addons now cost money |
| 06:04.41 | ZorbaTHut | I was actually planning on a QH april fool's joke, but didn't get around to it :( |
| 06:04.45 | Dagmar | Perhaps a quick template change to make all loot say "Class: Hunter" |
| 06:04.46 | Thunder_Child | and a % goes to blizz |
| 06:05.14 | Thunder_Child | or have all int replaced with spirit |
| 06:05.19 | Dagmar | gahh no |
| 06:05.53 | Dagmar | I started a mage. I'm going to just pretend spirit doesn't exist and see how well that works up to 80 |
| 06:05.56 | End | replacing int for spirit would actually be a good thing for me, oddly enough |
| 06:06.00 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: that was done aaaages ago |
| 06:06.07 | WobWork | er Dagmar |
| 06:06.24 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, it's getting slightly changed in 3.1 |
| 06:06.30 | Dagmar | I know. |
| 06:06.32 | Vonhinten | Dagmar, I wouldn't dare use molten armor over mage armor for leveling, so... |
| 06:06.34 | WobWork | Moonwolf changed ... oh man, what addon was it? |
| 06:06.35 | End | actually, I wonder, for mages with molten armor, which would give more crit, spirit or int now? |
| 06:06.40 | End | (with 3.1) |
| 06:06.45 | WobWork | anyway, all tooltips for items had Class: Hunter on them |
| 06:06.57 | Dagmar | Vonhinten: Well, it's at 17 yet, so I've got a while before I much have to care. |
| 06:07.15 | End | I'm inclined to say spirit, which would be hilirious to me, but I have no idea |
| 06:07.22 | Thunder_Child | end, al you need to know is what % of int goes to crit |
| 06:07.40 | Vonhinten | Dagmar, I actually went after a few piece of gear with spirit on them, and use glyphed mage armor.. it's quite nice for leveling... |
| 06:07.56 | Thunder_Child | End, 80 int to 1% crit |
| 06:07.57 | Cairenn | pokes Thunder_Child |
| 06:07.58 | Corey|Here | OnMouseUp defines a mouse button 'letting go', and OnMouseDown is a mouse being clicked - correct? |
| 06:07.58 | End | Thunder_Child: but I'm lazy |
| 06:08.03 | Corey|Here | and by clicked i mean held down |
| 06:08.04 | Thunder_Child | yes Cairenn? |
| 06:08.50 | Dagmar | Vonhinten: Well, I know during CB/OB I had int as primary and spirit secondary, but soloing I'm pretty much not seeing any use in mp5 |
| 06:08.56 | Thordurin | hugs Cairenn again |
| 06:09.00 | Dagmar | er the regen from spirit. |
| 06:09.03 | Cairenn | hugs Thordurin |
| 06:09.22 | Dagmar | So I might as well just make my mana tank so large it takes two waters to fill it and lay waste to villages. |
| 06:10.07 | kd3 | wth... fark: "White House press kit states Britain is "slightly smaller than Oregon." Because the Oregon is a unit of measurement everyone in Europe is familiar with [Fail]" |
| 06:10.29 | End | whut |
| 06:10.49 | Dagmar | They know how large it is over there. |
| 06:10.57 | Dagmar | It's Britain-sized to them. |
| 06:11.45 | Dagmar | That bit wasn't directed at Europe. |
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| 06:12.43 | Arrowmaster | Corey|Here: yes but it doesnt mean held down, they both fire on any click nomatter how long its held down |
| 06:13.35 | Corey|Here | i thought so, wasn't sure on that though, but yea thanks for clearing that up |
| 06:13.42 | Corey|Here | i think the ball's finally rolling |
| 06:14.03 | Corey|Here | the way xml and lua worked together confused me profoundly before |
| 06:14.07 | Corey|Here | but i think i've got a grasp on it now |
| 06:14.13 | Corey|Here | fun time! |
| 06:14.17 | Corey|Here | anyway, sleeping, night everyone |
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| 06:42.22 | Vonhinten | I wish these dwarves would stop telling me to wash my back... |
| 06:44.07 | tekkub | it's good advice |
| 06:44.12 | tekkub | also, you should keep your feet |
| 06:45.42 | Vonhinten | keep my feet underground? |
| 06:45.55 | tekkub | no, just keep your feet |
| 06:45.59 | Vonhinten | ah |
| 06:46.36 | Arrowmaster | http://www.quakelive.com/ |
| 06:47.36 | Mike-N-Go | Arrowmaster: Is it a key logger? |
| 06:47.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:47.50 | tekkub | never know till you try it |
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| 06:50.24 | Jamash | my sister just got loremaster |
| 06:50.33 | Jamash | you get a title, and a tabard |
| 06:50.36 | durcyn | is your sister hot |
| 06:50.39 | Jamash | ...with a giant ! on it |
| 06:50.57 | Jamash | I abstain from answering that question |
| 06:51.07 | Zootfizzle | It definitely costs $60 if you click the button |
| 06:51.31 | Zootfizzle | For your convenience |
| 06:51.32 | Thunder_Child | Jamash. that simply means you already have an opnion |
| 06:52.53 | Jamash | I don't follow that logic |
| 06:53.57 | Thunder_Child | it is there and i am to lazy right now to type out the explination |
| 06:54.15 | Vonhinten | come on Jamash, you haven't learned that there's only one good way to respond to that question? "Dude, She's 7" |
| 06:54.31 | Jamash | I got shot with a nerf shotgun for that reason |
| 06:54.42 | Thunder_Child | Vonhinten, which also has it's own response |
| 06:54.47 | Jamash | my friend's sister is 12, but same principle |
| 06:55.23 | Jamash | anyway how many 7 year olds with loremaster are there |
| 06:55.57 | tekkub | yea loremaster tabard is crap |
| 06:56.03 | Jamash | no way |
| 06:56.06 | tekkub | you should get an actual ! over your head |
| 06:56.07 | Jamash | it's awesome |
| 06:56.19 | Jamash | well, that would be pretty awesome as well |
| 06:56.27 | tekkub | if I did all that work I'd want a fucking ! |
| 06:56.36 | Vonhinten | doesn't like tabards, they hide badass looking armor |
| 06:57.11 | tekkub | I will also point out that "if I did all that work I'd want a fucking!" works as well |
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| 06:57.35 | Jamash | I just want the title |
| 06:57.42 | krka | Jamash: compiled lua is usually larger than the source, unless you strip out debug information, which wow doesn't |
| 06:57.55 | Jamash | jesus h. christ when did you start reading from |
| 06:58.15 | tekkub | H? |
| 06:58.18 | tekkub | Howard? |
| 06:58.27 | Zootfizzle | (holy) |
| 06:58.38 | tekkub | nah too convient |
| 06:58.48 | Jamash | I thought it was Heironymous |
| 06:58.51 | tekkub | *convienent |
| 06:58.57 | tekkub | Homo |
| 06:59.05 | kd3 | taps his foot |
| 06:59.06 | tekkub | Jesus Homo Christ, that works well |
| 06:59.13 | Zootfizzle | If you don't like etymology them you're not my kinda guy :P |
| 06:59.15 | Jamash | god hates figs |
| 06:59.27 | Zootfizzle | They're bad dates? |
| 06:59.29 | tekkub | Great Zombie Jesus! |
| 06:59.47 | tekkub | speaking of, GZJ day is coming soon, I need to get me some reeses eggs |
| 06:59.49 | krka | Jamash: just skipped through the last 9 hours or so |
| 07:00.15 | Zootfizzle | I approve of GZJ day |
| 07:00.31 | kd3 | hokay, it's now midnight blizz time |
| 07:00.33 | kd3 | hits refresh |
| 07:00.47 | tekkub | it's really fun to point it out to the uptight christian types |
| 07:01.06 | tekkub | they can't really argue that it ISN'T GZJ day |
| 07:01.18 | tekkub | so they just get offended that you'd call him a zombie |
| 07:02.35 | Jamash | actually he's a reverse vampire |
| 07:02.41 | Jamash | he gains power when you drink his blood |
| 07:03.45 | Zootfizzle | No, he's the king of the reverse vampire zombies, he has as much power as ever no matter how much blood you drink, it just makes him look better from the outside |
| 07:04.23 | Vonhinten | (and he plays a Deathknight) |
| 07:04.36 | tekkub | speaking of, is it bad to ask the pug mage to "Jesus up some water"? |
| 07:04.58 | Thunder_Child | go go ihpne authenticator |
| 07:05.23 | Thunder_Child | iphone* |
| 07:05.44 | Vonhinten | eh? |
| 07:05.49 | Thunder_Child | https://us.battle.net/account/support/mobile-authenticator.xml |
| 07:06.35 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: depends.. does he give you water, or wine? |
| 07:06.46 | Jamash | I remember that Jesus was suposed to turn water into wine, and conjure loaves and fishes, but I don't remember conjuring water |
| 07:06.52 | tekkub | II really don't care if it restores mana |
| 07:06.58 | Zootfizzle | tekkub: Jesus is like a death knight, he gets to do whatever he wants every six jesus seconds |
| 07:07.16 | tekkub | see that just doesn't work |
| 07:07.25 | Zootfizzle | Niether does jesus as a mage |
| 07:07.25 | tekkub | cause of the unholy runes/spells |
| 07:07.40 | Zootfizzle | Mages use mana |
| 07:07.42 | tekkub | it makes a bit more sense though |
| 07:07.43 | Zootfizzle | Jesus doesn't use mana |
| 07:07.49 | tekkub | how do you know that? |
| 07:08.02 | ZorbaTHut | jesus was a magge |
| 07:08.03 | ZorbaTHut | he used manna |
| 07:08.03 | tekkub | he sure as hell doesn't have a runeblade |
| 07:09.29 | Fisker- | Damn Blizzard is bad at april fools |
| 07:09.30 | Zootfizzle | God used manna, jesus was a reroll |
| 07:09.32 | Fisker- | Forbidden |
| 07:09.32 | Fisker- | You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 07:09.34 | Fisker- | http://www.battle.net/ |
| 07:09.41 | Fisker- | That april fools has been seen lots of times! |
| 07:10.04 | Jamash | I can see it |
| 07:10.08 | kd3 | this is where I point and laugh at the web monkeys |
| 07:10.08 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:10.11 | Fisker- | They just hate me then |
| 07:10.22 | Zootfizzle | It's what you want |
| 07:10.28 | Zootfizzle | murders Fisker- |
| 07:10.28 | Fisker- | I don't see why the other mobile authenticators haven't been released yet |
| 07:10.29 | Fisker- | :o |
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| 07:10.48 | Jamash | 'cause they haven't finished writting them? |
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| 07:10.48 | Thunder_Child | i have it on my touch now |
| 07:10.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 07:10.52 | Thunder_Child | it's amusing |
| 07:11.11 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 07:11.20 | Fisker- | Jamash they're already out in Korea |
| 07:11.23 | Zootfizzle | I'd rather have a battle.net icon than a stocks icon :P |
| 07:11.25 | Jamash | different phones |
| 07:11.38 | Fisker- | not really |
| 07:11.44 | NightHawkTheSane | probably carrier issues |
| 07:11.49 | Fisker- | more likely |
| 07:12.03 | Fisker- | iPhone isn't the only phone with wifi though |
| 07:12.06 | Fisker- | *cough* |
| 07:12.15 | Thunder_Child | doesnt have to be a phon |
| 07:12.16 | Thunder_Child | e |
| 07:12.33 | Fisker- | your mom is a phone |
| 07:12.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm a little surprised there's nothing for android, but not terribly. *shrug* |
| 07:12.50 | Jamash | they could make an authenticator for a TI graphing calculator |
| 07:13.01 | Vonhinten | christ that battle.net authenticator page makes my eyes bleed |
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| 07:13.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i figured iphone went out first just because there was basically no legal hoops to jump through |
| 07:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | s/was/were/ |
| 07:13.45 | tekkub | hehe.. bear wallpaper |
| 07:13.45 | tekkub | http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4538/rawrtq4.jpg |
| 07:14.49 | NightHawkTheSane | sleeps |
| 07:15.12 | Fisker- | gonna try some b& evasion |
| 07:15.17 | Fisker- | brb |
| 07:15.39 | Vonhinten | How much does this authenticator cost on the app store? |
| 07:15.57 | Thunder_Child | free |
| 07:16.09 | Vonhinten | hmm, I might have to do it then |
| 07:16.36 | Vonhinten | although, I'm not sure if I want to tie my accounts to the item I'm most likely to lose on any given day |
| 07:16.57 | Jamash | I left my Blizzard Authenticator at a friend's house on Sunday |
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| 07:18.59 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 07:19.08 | Jamash | how many of you are there? |
| 07:19.19 | Adys | "World\'s best search engine" |
| 07:19.21 | Thunder_Child | 'you'? |
| 07:19.25 | Adys | and world's worst escaping |
| 07:19.26 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 07:19.27 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 07:19.28 | Jamash | Fisker- |
| 07:20.17 | Fisker- | Jamash ? |
| 07:20.34 | Jamash | never mind |
| 07:20.45 | Fisker- | awesome |
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| 07:22.28 | Jamash | I wonder how hard it is to exactly match a laptop power plug |
| 07:22.28 | Vonhinten | Wait... it's free, by blizzard, via apple... hahaha, nm, I get it, April Fools |
| 07:22.48 | Jamash | mine is dying |
| 07:23.19 | Zootfizzle | Vonhinten: That's real, it's not the joke >_> |
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| 07:24.36 | Vonhinten | I know... I was joking :) |
| 07:25.48 | nevcairiel | The joke isnt even up yet, blizz is slow this year |
| 07:25.53 | Vonhinten | But seriously... Apple is involved in offering "free" things?... this does not compute |
| 07:26.05 | Jamash | there's lots of free stuff in the app store |
| 07:26.31 | Vonhinten | I wouldn't know.. I don't want to infect my PC with iTunes |
| 07:26.53 | Jamash | while poking around for the april fools I found something kind of odd: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index2.xml |
| 07:27.06 | Jamash | it's an old and moldy version of the front page |
| 07:27.30 | Jamash | "Burning Crusade Street date announced!" |
| 07:27.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 07:28.02 | Fisker- | "Blizzard's track record speaks for itself, IMO. Release a game, spend the next five years supplementing it with mini-addons and expansions while charging FULL price." |
| 07:28.03 | Fisker- | haha |
| 07:28.04 | Vonhinten | release management is slackin |
| 07:28.11 | Fisker- | people fail |
| 07:29.23 | Vonhinten | Has the default scrolling combat text been updated to use the new animation API yet? |
| 07:30.43 | Zootfizzle | Nope |
| 07:30.51 | Zootfizzle | IIRC |
| 07:31.37 | nevcairiel | Would be a perfect place to use the animations |
| 07:32.10 | Jamash | does the animation system do curved paths? |
| 07:32.34 | Jamash | 'cause one of the options for scrolling combat text is to have it float in arcs |
| 07:32.39 | nevcairiel | If you use a vertical and horizontal movement at the same time, with different speeds .. i guess |
| 07:32.48 | Vonhinten | I was assuming improving scrolling combat text performance was one of the reasons they added the animation API |
| 07:35.18 | Vonhinten | only other thing I've see that uses animation to any significant degree is QuestHelper |
| 07:35.32 | nevcairiel | A sct-addon would just define an animation group for the text, and then play it on every fontstring that needs to scroll down, sounds rather simple, imho. |
| 07:35.40 | nevcairiel | You just need to get the animation right in the first place |
| 07:35.46 | nevcairiel | which isnt that hard |
| 07:36.48 | nevcairiel | (curved may require alot more work in that, tbh) |
| 07:37.10 | Jamash | if you can play two animations simultaneously it wouldn't be that hard |
| 07:37.27 | Vonhinten | plus, translation by world object position |
| 07:37.53 | Vonhinten | I haven't looked at the API, maybe it allows rooting by world object |
| 07:37.59 | Jamash | nah |
| 07:38.12 | kd3 | something we've been asking for forever |
| 07:38.46 | Thunder_Child | how is it still impossible to find a video archive of blizzcon 08 |
| 07:38.49 | Jamash | clearly, it was implemented to make Pong possible |
| 07:39.32 | kd3 | meh, at some point I should probably upload all of my vids |
| 07:39.47 | Jamash | I can think of one animation this makes simpler, that being the little disappearing icon of stuff that gets looted as it falls into your bag |
| 07:39.50 | kd3 | but for now, anime and zzz |
| 07:40.01 | Jamash | I can't think of much else that the blizzard ui uses that animates that much |
| 07:40.05 | Thunder_Child | i meant the dtv coverage kd3 |
| 07:40.33 | nevcairiel | Jamash: i think they use it for those sparkles on the glyph ui now, but thats the only place, iirc |
| 07:40.49 | Vonhinten | an animation API is just nice to have anyway... WAR had it, and I used it |
| 07:41.19 | Vonhinten | saves you from having to roll your own |
| 07:45.01 | Duman | hmm |
| 07:45.54 | Duman | still no april fools action yet? hmm |
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| 07:46.46 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:46.51 | Sixen | Duman, it's 10 to 1. |
| 07:46.54 | Sixen | They don't get in until 8am |
| 07:47.08 | Jamash | yeah but it ought to be on a cron job |
| 07:47.55 | Duman | yeah forserious |
| 07:48.00 | Duman | midnight isn't that late ;) |
| 07:48.11 | Sixen | :P |
| 07:48.19 | Duman | ahh well |
| 07:48.24 | Duman | guess I'll see it in the AM :) |
| 07:48.28 | Duman | later, peeps |
| 07:48.34 | Jamash | tickles the secret out of Zootfizzle. |
| 07:48.37 | Duman | & [Zzzzz] |
| 07:48.48 | Zootfizzle | nevcairiel: You can also use radial animations that start at one point and rotate based on two other points one circle's diameter apart like the middle of an m |
| 07:48.59 | Zootfizzle | For animations |
| 07:49.05 | Zootfizzle | with combat text |
| 07:49.15 | nevcairiel | awesome |
| 07:49.23 | Zootfizzle | or something like that, if you want a curve |
| 07:50.03 | Zootfizzle | A radial translation like that combined with a vertical translation to offset it would work |
| 07:50.36 | Sixen | Night Duman. |
| 07:50.50 | nevcairiel | I should just try all that with some simple test case |
| 07:50.52 | Zootfizzle | Thanks everyone for pointing it out as a thing to do :D |
| 07:51.04 | Sixen | Lol Zoot, :P |
| 07:51.33 | Jamash | I expect PopCap will be happy with the new animation system |
| 07:52.00 | Fisker- | man |
| 07:52.03 | Fisker- | this guy is cracking me up |
| 07:52.19 | Zootfizzle | If you didn't care about texture memory, you could do all of this yourself before with significantly less overhead than you might think |
| 07:52.31 | Fisker- | He claims that Blizzard released their expansions at the same price as the retail game |
| 07:52.37 | Fisker- | And also said that it lacked content |
| 07:52.46 | Jamash | koo-koo |
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| 07:53.01 | Zootfizzle | I can has link? |
| 07:53.02 | Fisker- | Reality: Expansions are sold for around 29.99->39.99 and have pretty much the same content in terms of length |
| 07:53.05 | Fisker- | naw |
| 07:53.19 | nevcairiel | but but but |
| 07:53.23 | nevcairiel | an expansion is only 10 levels |
| 07:53.27 | nevcairiel | the real game was 60 |
| 07:53.29 | nevcairiel | does not compute! |
| 07:53.31 | Fisker- | :D |
| 07:53.38 | Fisker- | That's only World of Warcraft though |
| 07:53.44 | Jamash | of course the expansions cost more now than the original game costs now |
| 07:53.47 | Fisker- | we're discussing Starcraft 2 vs. Warcraft 3 vs. Starcraft 1 |
| 07:53.53 | Fisker- | Yeah Jamash |
| 07:53.56 | Fisker- | That was my thinking |
| 07:54.12 | Fisker- | Which is why i dug through Archive.org to find the real MSRP's |
| 07:54.27 | Zootfizzle | It's kinda 'cause you need one. For, like, the other |
| 07:54.36 | Jamash | and if you go for the collector's editions you pay about the same |
| 07:54.46 | Vonhinten | I don't see how you can argue with pricing... cost per hour of fun is quite low |
| 07:54.58 | Jamash | but there you're paying for art books and cds and dvds and cards and mousepads and stuff |
| 07:55.04 | krka | what about cost per hour of grind? :) |
| 07:55.27 | Jamash | anyway, the cost to buy the game is dwarfed by the total cost of the subscription |
| 07:55.43 | krka | depends on how long you play the game! |
| 07:57.59 | Torhal | krka: Sequentially, or chronologically? :D |
| 07:58.58 | Jamash | have you noticed on Blizzard's job page they have Next-Gen MMO, Special Projects *and* Unnanounced? |
| 08:00.25 | krka | un-nanounced? |
| 08:00.38 | Jamash | s/Unnanounced/Unannounced/ |
| 08:01.37 | Jamash | This implies they have at least two different projects under wraps |
| 08:02.00 | Mike-N-Go | Conspiracy! |
| 08:03.54 | Torhal | Jamash: Unannounced is probably Zootfizzle's jobm since they're moving him to the Horde development department. |
| 08:04.05 | Torhal | s/jomb/job,/ |
| 08:04.26 | Jamash | you misspelled your misspelling |
| 08:04.52 | Jamash | Is Zootfizzle usually up this late or is he hanging out here to wait for our reaction to the april fools? |
| 08:06.03 | tekkub | http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html |
| 08:06.12 | krka | i found it! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/two-headed-ogre.shtml |
| 08:06.44 | nevcairiel | the title even says april fools, where is the fun in that |
| 08:06.46 | tekkub | Trey and I had actually planned to play a ogre |
| 08:06.52 | tekkub | that's how bad FFXI had become |
| 08:07.06 | tekkub | it says that because it's an old one ;P |
| 08:07.09 | Jamash | krka: you know that's like three years old, right? |
| 08:07.23 | krka | yes, i was hoping that you people didn't :P |
| 08:08.43 | tekkub | http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html |
| 08:08.44 | Jamash | I'm still waiting for Guitar Hero controller support |
| 08:09.04 | tekkub | it even has a myspace+1990's-quality home page |
| 08:09.52 | Jamash | actually I guess 3.1 will have joystick support |
| 08:10.04 | Jamash | so you could plug in a GH controller via a usb adapter |
| 08:10.12 | Shefki | The joystick support is an elaborate ruse. |
| 08:10.23 | Vonhinten | http://earth.google.com/cadie.html |
| 08:10.36 | Shefki | http://cadiesingularity.blogspot.com/ |
| 08:10.38 | Shefki | lol |
| 08:10.52 | Jamash | Iso they had each of their teams do one, eh |
| 08:11.46 | Vonhinten | lol http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/chrome/cadie/ |
| 08:12.21 | Vonhinten | "Print Your Glasses" |
| 08:12.46 | Jamash | oh, google |
| 08:14.14 | tekkub | hey, last year it was "flush a cable to get free internet" |
| 08:14.18 | Jamash | I like the animated gif with intentionally incorrect background color matching |
| 08:15.59 | Shefki | That's a total rip on Myspace. |
| 08:16.23 | tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21585 |
| 08:16.25 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 08:16.28 | Jamash | this stuff is older than myspace |
| 08:16.35 | tekkub | perfect timing cair |
| 08:16.43 | Fisker- | halp |
| 08:17.19 | Jamash | nice |
| 08:18.30 | Cairenn | shhhh ;) |
| 08:19.10 | Torhal | I'm of the opinion the the "New dances with WoTLK" was a premature April Fool's joke. |
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| 08:19.28 | tekkub | oh we all know already :P |
| 08:19.39 | Shefki | Cairenn: Now I see why you linked to that crappy interview... |
| 08:19.44 | tekkub | but we can still alugh at the replies |
| 08:19.47 | nevcairiel | They've kept reassuring that those are being worked on, Torhal. Apparently its very low-priority |
| 08:19.49 | Shefki | Cairenn: You had inside info. :P |
| 08:20.28 | Torhal | I'm also of the opinion that they should fix the quests in Light's Hope chapel. There are still references and outright quests for "the entrance to Naxxramas". |
| 08:20.31 | nevcairiel | tekkub: it would be even funnier if you were sure that its a genuine reply, or the author just playing |
| 08:20.33 | tekkub | Torhal: honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they put up the dances today |
| 08:20.56 | tekkub | knowing forum replies, I always assume stupidity |
| 08:21.01 | tekkub | and hope I'm wrong |
| 08:21.04 | tekkub | and I never am >< |
| 08:21.10 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 08:21.23 | Jamash | the music on Cadie's page is oddly soothing |
| 08:21.40 | Maldivia | *yawn* morning |
| 08:21.45 | Jamash | 'morning |
| 08:24.59 | Shirik | topic #wowuidev |
| 08:25.10 | Vonhinten | Ok seriously, $1.95 for Goblin Therapist? That guy is an asshat |
| 08:25.38 | Fisker- | yay |
| 08:25.40 | Fisker- | ich bin right |
| 08:25.48 | Fisker- | We are currently planning to end Arena Season 5 as early as April 14, or possibly a week after this date |
| 08:25.52 | Fisker- | I told you it was April 14th |
| 08:25.53 | tekkub | uh, Blizzy picks the prices from what I can tell |
| 08:25.55 | Fisker- | wins |
| 08:26.08 | krka | Goblin the rapist? |
| 08:26.14 | krka | that's an unflattering epiteth |
| 08:26.35 | Jamash | I'm upset, the Apple App Store lets developers choose their own prices |
| 08:27.16 | Jamash | why not the Blizzard Addon Store? |
| 08:27.21 | Fisker- | I'm upset, the Apple App Store |
| 08:28.37 | Vonhinten | Market Watch... Zoot, WTB API to query the NASDAQ |
| 08:29.09 | Vonhinten | day traders play too you know |
| 08:29.17 | Jamash | while we're wishing, I want a web feed of auction house history |
| 08:29.18 | Dolby | Jamash: would you really trust these authors pricing their addons fairly? |
| 08:29.50 | tekkub | the solution is obvious |
| 08:29.59 | tekkub | price per line of code |
| 08:30.00 | krka | there are no addons without competition though |
| 08:30.01 | Vonhinten | Let God do it? |
| 08:30.05 | Jamash | Dolby: If they don't, nobody will buy |
| 08:30.18 | tekkub | I can deal with my addons being super cheap ^^ |
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| 08:30.42 | tekkub | oh, even better, inverse lines of code |
| 08:30.46 | Maldivia | tekkub: so a newline as delimiter instead of a whitespace - and if per byte, reallyLongVariableNamesThatAreAnnoyingToRead ? |
| 08:30.49 | Vonhinten | logical lines of code |
| 08:31.00 | tekkub | small addons, $5... huge ones, $1 or free |
| 08:31.08 | Jamash | bytes of memory used for execution |
| 08:31.46 | Vonhinten | The old C/C++ line count method, count semi-colons. CallFunc();;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; |
| 08:31.53 | Jamash | has anyone written a turing machine for wow? |
| 08:31.54 | Shirik | LOC is a horrible measure of size |
| 08:32.03 | tekkub | good lua authors don't use semicolons |
| 08:32.05 | tekkub | *hides* |
| 08:32.16 | tekkub | Shirik: shut up |
| 08:32.19 | Shirik | Function Point Analysis is how you should estimate software size! |
| 08:32.32 | Vonhinten | I'm a C/C++/C# program that dables in lua... semi-colons are required! |
| 08:32.35 | Dolby | I think they should use the addon name length |
| 08:32.36 | Maldivia | tekkub: hehe, good lua authors stick to either or, and is consistent |
| 08:32.41 | Shirik | addon name length is a good one |
| 08:32.50 | Shirik | Also |
| 08:32.53 | Shirik | if addon name includes "Ace2" |
| 08:32.53 | tekkub | take your Function Point Analysis and shove it up your O notation |
| 08:32.55 | Shirik | it should be more |
| 08:33.13 | Jamash | Does Ace3 cost more or less than Ace2? |
| 08:33.16 | Thunder_Child | heh, http://www.wowhead.com/ |
| 08:33.24 | Jamash | and what about Fubar_AddonFu? |
| 08:33.26 | Shirik | Well problem is Ace3 doesn't allow you to have the name of it in the addon |
| 08:33.35 | Jamash | allow? |
| 08:33.41 | Jamash | did they trademark ace? |
| 08:33.42 | Shirik | well, requests that you don't |
| 08:33.44 | Vonhinten | Code should be measured by density... it's a ratio of paper to ink consumption after you print it out on the company laser |
| 08:33.59 | Shirik | I think, however, Fubar_AddonFu should result in a portion being paid to Fubar developers |
| 08:34.41 | Jamash | I have an addon that's called Fubar_FuXPFu |
| 08:34.42 | Maldivia | Shirik: so read the addon-dependency list, and distribute the income according to that ? |
| 08:34.50 | Shirik | that isn't a bad idea |
| 08:34.50 | Cairenn | well, feel free to post this stuff in the thread guys, since hopefully the Blizz folks might read it ... |
| 08:35.00 | tekkub | good ol fucksupfu |
| 08:35.09 | tekkub | I made tekfucksup from it |
| 08:35.17 | Shefki | By name length suits me, TBag-Shefki that's plenty long. |
| 08:35.38 | Jamash | what about these addons that install fifty directories |
| 08:35.41 | tekkub | putting your whole name in the title is totally vain |
| 08:35.53 | Vonhinten | TBag, is that a property bag class? |
| 08:36.01 | tekkub | you should have named it SheTBags |
| 08:36.11 | Jamash | like Pitbull and Quartz, do they get paid per directory? |
| 08:36.26 | tekkub | Bang!Core! is gonna make an assload |
| 08:36.39 | Shefki | tekkub: Don't like my named apprevied to She |
| 08:36.43 | Shefki | For obvious reasons. |
| 08:37.05 | Dolby | unlike the itunes app store, you pay for every download. updates are not free |
| 08:37.12 | tekkub | then you should have picked a better name |
| 08:37.20 | tekkub | default abbrev is first 3 chars |
| 08:37.35 | Shefki | tekkub: Who says I picked the name? |
| 08:37.36 | Jamash | Jam, huh |
| 08:37.44 | tekkub | 4 if the name doesn't make sense, like Cai or Shi |
| 08:37.52 | Vonhinten | she-fki fki five dolla |
| 08:38.05 | tekkub | Chefkey |
| 08:38.19 | tekkub | Chef it is! |
| 08:38.29 | Shefki | tekkub: Yup that's how it's pronounced. |
| 08:38.37 | Shefki | And people do call me Chef |
| 08:38.45 | tekkub | now sing in that deep deep voice about your salty chocolate balls for me |
| 08:39.09 | Shefki | No |
| 08:39.19 | tekkub | then you're forever She to me |
| 08:40.32 | Shefki | I'll just call you Bucket then. |
| 08:40.32 | Jamash | Bukkaket |
| 08:40.38 | Vonhinten | They like tekkub, in nagasaki |
| 08:41.07 | krka | mah bukket! |
| 08:41.43 | Jamash | artificial intelligence indeed, the google chrome installer just froze |
| 08:42.05 | Vonhinten | "Error connecting to the mother ship." |
| 08:42.47 | Jamash | OH GOD |
| 08:42.51 | Jamash | I had hoped they were joking |
| 08:42.52 | tekkub | http://www.thinkgeek.com/ |
| 08:43.12 | Jamash | they really put a anaglyph button on the bar, and it really works |
| 08:43.18 | Jamash | I'm getting a headache |
| 08:45.03 | Shefki | They should make that Tauntaunt sleeping bag. |
| 08:45.32 | tekkub | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/portal-tshirt.html |
| 08:47.10 | tekkub | you know, the fact that blizzy doesn't have their shit set up to go at midnight is kinda fail |
| 08:48.14 | nevcairiel | Maybe they are skipping this year |
| 08:48.37 | Shefki | I still want my darn tin-foil hat in game. |
| 08:48.54 | Shefki | I'm gonna need that crap for Ulduar. |
| 08:50.30 | tekkub | they really should have snuck a "ripped tinfoil hat" into northrend somewhere |
| 08:50.40 | tekkub | like off the mechognomes, grey item |
| 08:51.13 | Shefki | Should have made a real one IMHO and put the stats exactly like it is on the page. |
| 08:51.17 | Shefki | Even made the recipe the same. |
| 08:52.03 | Wobin | Jamash: You can probably replace fu_xpfu with xparky |
| 08:52.43 | Wobin | even though it's not really outdated =P |
| 09:05.22 | Thunder_Child | updtae your addons Wobin! |
| 09:05.25 | Thunder_Child | update* |
| 09:05.46 | Thunder_Child | 2-23 was to long ago! |
| 09:05.52 | Lukian | xparky looks the same? |
| 09:06.05 | Lukian | I've been wanting to ditch fubar, but I love fuxpfu too much |
| 09:06.07 | Thunder_Child | and nevcairiel |
| 09:06.17 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 09:06.31 | Thunder_Child | says your prat of that project as well |
| 09:06.33 | Wobin | xparky is the same |
| 09:06.34 | Thunder_Child | part* |
| 09:07.02 | Lukian | cheers Wobin <3 |
| 09:07.04 | Maldivia | which project isn't nevcairiel part of ? |
| 09:07.16 | nevcairiel | all that pay money |
| 09:07.20 | nevcairiel | :( |
| 09:07.38 | Maldivia | considering there aren't any that do anymore, that means all? |
| 09:07.57 | Thunder_Child | donations count as paying money |
| 09:12.22 | ZorbaTHut | grr why can't blizzard just let us have really big tables |
| 09:15.09 | Jamash | what happens? |
| 09:15.23 | Maldivia | define "really big"? |
| 09:15.28 | Wobin | you run out of food halfway through the raid |
| 09:16.33 | nevcairiel | I think the limit is around 750k entrys |
| 09:16.46 | nevcairiel | the index gets too big to be stored in one memory block |
| 09:17.37 | Maldivia | a table with 750k entries is also really big |
| 09:18.04 | Vonhinten | I'd be worried about table access performance with that many entries |
| 09:19.57 | Maldivia | table access performance isn't the issue with that size tables, it's modifications to the table that could be a problem |
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| 09:35.38 | ZorbaTHut | it's 512k entries |
| 09:35.51 | ZorbaTHut | and assuming they store the table in a sane matter, it really shouldn't be an issue |
| 09:36.11 | ZorbaTHut | lua's perfectly capable of doing it, but for some reason blizzard has added their own limit :/ |
| 09:36.13 | nevcairiel | they require one continuos memory block for the index array |
| 09:36.46 | Jamash | what do you need to store 512,000 of? |
| 09:37.48 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, weight entries for my routing algorithm, table entries for my compression/decompression algorithms |
| 09:41.11 | Maldivia | partition it into several tables then |
| 09:41.30 | krka | ZorbaTHut: there's a limit in lua of number of constants per function |
| 09:42.01 | krka | thus the limit when saving/loading saved variables |
| 09:42.30 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, that's what I do, but it seems kind of silly |
| 09:42.48 | ZorbaTHut | "oh no, big tables are slightly inefficient! we'll have to force people to be even more inefficient instead" |
| 09:43.03 | foxlit | It's more like |
| 09:43.09 | nevcairiel | If you really believe they thought like that, you need a reality check |
| 09:43.12 | foxlit | "oh no, this could crash things for some pathetic configurations." |
| 09:43.17 | Maldivia | hmm, would be nice if the itemLevel of the armorTokens would equal the itemLevel of the item you can buy with that token |
| 09:43.26 | foxlit | "Let's not let that happen; whoever needs more than 64k memory can solve their own problems" |
| 09:43.35 | krka | could be something like: "any normal addon wouldn't need this many entries anyway" |
| 09:43.48 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, but it won't crash things any more than allocating the memory in other methods will anyway |
| 09:44.16 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, "I need a 2mb block" is only slightly worse than "I need ten 200kb blocks", except in extremely degenerate cases |
| 09:44.24 | foxlit | "nevcairiel: they require one continuos memory block for the index array" |
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| 09:44.39 | foxlit | *that* is a potential problem that this limitation works around. |
| 09:44.42 | ZorbaTHut | on top of that, it's possible to allocate 20mb *strings* |
| 09:44.50 | ZorbaTHut | and I suspect that their strings are continuous memory blocks |
| 09:45.09 | nevcairiel | Who knows, maybe not |
| 09:45.19 | ZorbaTHut | (and on top of that, how are their textures stored? oh hey I bet they're probably single continuous memory blocks) |
| 09:45.42 | nevcairiel | I doubt there is any single texture that is 20mb |
| 09:45.44 | ZorbaTHut | big memory blocks *can* be a problem, but you're looking at 100-200mb before they tend to be a problem. not 2mb. it just seems weird to me. |
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| 09:46.35 | Jamash | what's the point of a compression/decompression system in a wow addon? |
| 09:46.51 | ZorbaTHut | even with a 1024x1024 texture, though, that's likely 2mb or 4mb of RAM right there |
| 09:46.54 | nevcairiel | They probably limit the lua environment so it simply cannot get anywhere near crashing the game |
| 09:47.01 | Kalroth | Jamash: To save memory for data you rarely use? |
| 09:47.08 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, compress stuff that's getting written to disk, decompress stuff from memory that's rarely used |
| 09:47.24 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't be as useful if I could actually write or read to disk, but I can't, so my entire database needs to be pretty heavily compressed |
| 09:47.35 | nevcairiel | The discussion is pointless anyway, just deal with it, or stop :) |
| 09:47.38 | ZorbaTHut | nevcairiel, I can tell you several different ways to crash the game trivially from within lua ;) |
| 09:48.30 | Kalroth | that's not fair, you've had a lot of experience with QH! |
| 09:48.38 | krka | meh, stuff that's rarely used get swapped out to disk anyway |
| 09:49.06 | krka | hm, that may not be fully correct i suppose, since the GC will traverse it anyway |
| 09:49.08 | Kalroth | krka: People still look at their FuBar_Performance and go "OMIGAWD ITS USING MEMMORY!!" |
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| 09:49.31 | nevcairiel | I would it rather have using some more memory then requiring to decompress it |
| 09:50.24 | krka | would be interesting to see numbers on how much time it spent decompressing / compressing, how much space is gained by it, and much the difference in space would have added to the gc runtime |
| 09:50.25 | ZorbaTHut | in this case, the decompression is near-instant and rarely done. I think it's a reasonable tradeoff |
| 09:50.54 | ZorbaTHut | krka, I can actually answer the first two there - nearly-unmeasurable and about 10mb before I do some more tricks to it |
| 09:51.13 | krka | 10mb compared to what? |
| 09:51.28 | ZorbaTHut | 20mb. a bare install takes around 10mb now, before it starts recording data at least. |
| 09:51.34 | krka | i see |
| 09:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | although note that there's a significant amount of non-database overhead too, so it wouldn't surprise me if the DB's roughly thirded in memory usage. I need to get some better numbers eventually, but I need to reimplement some major features first |
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| 09:55.37 | Fisker- | tickles krka |
| 09:55.41 | Fisker- | btw ZorbaTHut |
| 09:55.44 | Fisker- | i took your keyboard |
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| 10:13.18 | Jamash | wow, looks like I had some completely spurious logic in my addon |
| 10:13.41 | Jamash | all better now |
| 10:13.54 | MoonWolf | it happens to code when it gets changed a lot |
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| 10:18.47 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, every once in a while I end up with very complicated functions that essentially do "if complicated_thing then return true else return true end" |
| 10:18.53 | ZorbaTHut | I always feel quite bad when I discover them. |
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| 10:23.17 | Jamash | well in this case it wasn't so much unnecessary as it was completely wrong |
| 10:23.31 | Fisker- | I TOOK YOUR KEYBOARD |
| 10:24.13 | Jamash | I mistakenly coded in the assumption that swapping talent specs would remove spells but not add them :p |
| 10:24.49 | Jamash | what I *meant* to do was code in the behavior that retalenting would remove buttons from my frame, but not add new ones |
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| 10:25.45 | Fisker- | fools ZorbaTHut because it's april |
| 10:26.42 | Jamash | I now handle all kinds of crazy edge cases like "what if the player visits their class trainer and learns a new spell but unlearns their talents _while in combat_?" |
| 10:27.42 | Fisker- | i would've fu'ed Jamash |
| 10:28.53 | Jamash | this edge case madness was inspired by the time I actually did spec my priest while fighting the Headless Horseman in SM GY |
| 10:29.29 | Jamash | and Learning Aid went "sproing" and stopped working for that game session |
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| 10:47.21 | Kraft | dunno if its a repost but: http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/landing/cadie/ |
| 10:47.29 | Cide- | hai |
| 10:47.41 | Kraft | :) |
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| 11:00.31 | Adys | .. wow |
| 11:00.35 | Adys | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?1840930 |
| 11:00.44 | Adys | can barely believe i found that |
| 11:04.37 | foxlit | what, no enigma? |
| 11:04.37 | foxlit | slacker! |
| 11:04.37 | Adys | enigma sucked |
| 11:04.37 | Adys | nw8/8 was amazing |
| 11:04.37 | Adys | i kept it till 70 |
| 11:04.37 | zenzio | I was still being teased about my Styleen when I had just hit 80 |
| 11:04.37 | Adys | I kept nelth tear until recently |
| 11:04.37 | Adys | :P |
| 11:04.37 | Adys | replaced it by the BoA trinket |
| 11:04.38 | zenzio | :-o |
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| 11:06.24 | Adys | 6228 mana |
| 11:06.30 | Adys | i think arcane brill costs more than that |
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| 11:12.59 | Wobin | do you still need to be attuned for MC? |
| 11:15.20 | Kraft | depends |
| 11:15.34 | Kraft | you can get summoned there or wlak in through BRD if you arent |
| 11:15.39 | Kraft | walk* |
| 11:16.09 | Kraft | especially if you find someone who still has the brewfest remote :) |
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| 11:32.21 | Maldivia | sigh... |
| 11:34.03 | Kraft | sigh? |
| 11:34.17 | Kalroth | Maldy is emo, be nice! |
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| 11:34.36 | Kraft | i said sigh irl the other day :/ |
| 11:35.50 | Maldivia | I'm going to.... p1mp my mount... ! :P |
| 11:36.14 | Maldivia | Kraft: been dealing with a bug for too long now, to find out it's a "feature" in the jvm |
| 11:37.27 | Addybot | Maldivia: Been dealing with a bug, and figured out you were using java? |
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| 11:38.24 | Kraft | lol |
| 11:38.42 | Maldivia | Addybot: doing low level java stuff, and been having issued with objects loosing their state when crossing the reflection barrier, to find out that it's an optimization in the jvm causing it |
| 11:39.26 | Maldivia | Addybot: because the jvm has some assumptions where to find certain stuff, and those assumptions are incorrect in my setup |
| 11:41.41 | Maldivia | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html ;) |
| 11:42.05 | Addybot | lol |
| 11:44.06 | jnwhiteh | So there was some bitching earlier today in #ej and I wanted to ask for your guys opinions. |
| 11:44.16 | jnwhiteh | Do you find the Clique interface cumbersome at all, or ugly, or have problems with it? |
| 11:44.32 | jnwhiteh | I'd really be interested in hearing your opinions, since i normally only hear good things about it.. i'd like to fix any of the bads |
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| 11:45.19 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: sorry, can't help you there, never used clique, had already made my own addon for that by the time I heard if yours :) |
| 11:46.10 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: which is your addon? |
| 11:46.36 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: it's a part of a raid UI I made back then, mostly for my guild |
| 11:46.42 | Maldivia | never uploaded it to any sites ) |
| 11:46.47 | jnwhiteh | oh okay |
| 11:47.02 | jnwhiteh | I just care that ClickCastFrames is still standard |
| 11:47.12 | nevcairiel | Initially i thought the guy was un-intuitive, but once i figured out how to get spells in there, it was perfectly fine |
| 11:47.17 | Torhal | Adys: What Linux distro do you use? |
| 11:47.20 | nevcairiel | s/guy/GUI/ |
| 11:47.23 | nevcairiel | damn those words =P |
| 11:47.43 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: the text on the main frame tells you precisely how to do it :P |
| 11:47.51 | Adys | Torhal: debian or ubuntu depending on the mood |
| 11:47.51 | jnwhiteh | but yeah, agreed |
| 11:47.52 | nevcairiel | reading is for lusers |
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| 11:48.08 | Adys | Torhal: why? |
| 11:48.40 | Torhal | Adys: Trying to determine why my FPS is shite. |
| 11:48.50 | Adys | Torhal: grab 180.44 nvidia drivers |
| 11:48.55 | Adys | got fps doubled |
| 11:48.56 | Torhal | Adys: Have them. |
| 11:48.56 | Adys | (again) |
| 11:49.09 | Adys | then I cant help you :P |
| 11:49.13 | Torhal | Adys: I get 5-10FPS in Dalaran |
| 11:49.15 | Torhal | Ah |
| 11:49.27 | Adys | i get about 30 fps in crowded areas |
| 11:49.31 | Adys | try.. uh sec |
| 11:49.33 | nevcairiel | I didn't notice a big difference to 180.37, but the boost might've been before that, depending from what you upgraded =) |
| 11:49.38 | Maldivia | Adys: do you know if the compiz test-redraw bug fixed in 180.44? |
| 11:49.41 | Maldivia | text* |
| 11:50.00 | Adys | Maldivia: No idea, Ive given up on that and been using metacity since |
| 11:50.14 | Adys | (particularly since compiz started fucking up terminal keyboard shortcut) |
| 11:50.46 | Adys | anyway, gotta run |
| 11:50.47 | Adys | laters |
| 11:51.06 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: when did you start on clique ? |
| 11:51.15 | jnwhiteh | alpha for BC |
| 11:51.32 | jnwhiteh | well, the current version |
| 11:51.38 | jnwhiteh | Clique has been around since pre-BC |
| 11:51.48 | jnwhiteh | only then it used plugins for specific unit fames |
| 11:52.23 | jnwhiteh | June-28-2006, precisely :P |
| 11:52.26 | jnwhiteh | http://cladhaire.wowinterface.com/portal15704.html |
| 11:56.34 | Maldivia | and where did you get your idea from, if you remember? |
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| 11:58.59 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: The fact that there was no good way to configure click-casts |
| 11:59.04 | jnwhiteh | unless your'e talking about click-casting in general |
| 11:59.12 | jnwhiteh | which we all owe our debt to CastParty |
| 12:01.20 | Maldivia | was just looking through my logs, the first working implementation I could find of my version is from june 2005 :) |
| 12:01.37 | jnwhiteh | WatchDog was a year and a half before that |
| 12:01.41 | jnwhiteh | and Castparty before that :P |
| 12:02.14 | Maldivia | well, I wasn't in original beta, so wouldn't know anything about what happened in that time :9 |
| 12:02.41 | Torhal | Maldivia: Two-headed Ogres flayed around helplessly. |
| 12:02.44 | jnwhiteh | well Castparty v.1.11 was March 2005 |
| 12:02.51 | Torhal | Maldivia: And Fisker- was but a tadpole. |
| 12:03.02 | Maldivia | Torhal: hehe :9 |
| 12:03.30 | jnwhiteh | my versions of WatchDog begin Feb-2006 |
| 12:03.37 | jnwhiteh | can't find Vika's versions |
| 12:04.28 | jnwhiteh | looks like May-2005 is the furthest back I see that |
| 12:04.35 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: well, I just remember I wasn't very pleased with CT when I started raiding molten core feb 2005 or so, so decided to make my own addon (which would also be my first) |
| 12:04.40 | jnwhiteh | that was WD 1.14 |
| 12:04.42 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: neat :P |
| 12:04.52 | jnwhiteh | goes to lunch |
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| 12:20.35 | nevcairiel | morning peppy |
| 12:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, nevcairiel! |
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| 12:22.06 | TopTop18 | Could someone help me? |
| 12:22.42 | zenzio | explain what you need help with and you will see |
| 12:23.40 | TopTop18 | I'm new to the addon developing world, I read some wowwiki pages and read the blizzard addon tutorials(even understtood something of it ;D) What is a good next step into learning how to program WoW addons? |
| 12:24.34 | TopTop18 | Maybe you heave some practice excersise i could try :D |
| 12:25.01 | nevcairiel | Well if you're really serious about learning and getting into the business, try this book |
| 12:25.08 | nevcairiel | ~wowprogramming |
| 12:25.08 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 12:25.25 | alestane | The best way I can recommend is to identify something little that annoys you about the UI, and try to fix it, honestly. |
| 12:26.03 | Lopeppeppy | ~pil |
| 12:26.03 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 12:26.54 | Lopeppeppy | Do try to pay special attention to the limitations of UI programming for WoW. The UI is subject to addons, the rest of the game is off-limits. :) That will save you tons of frustration when you come up with cool ideas that cannot be carried out. |
| 12:27.01 | TopTop18 | Nevcairiel, I'm not want to buy something to learn this :D it's more for fun and learning hwo to program |
| 12:27.19 | Lopeppeppy | The one I had purl tell you about is an online reference. |
| 12:27.37 | TopTop18 | Ah okay :D |
| 12:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | But most are books you'd have to buy, it's not a "learn online" sort of language outside of the wiki and the PIL book. |
| 12:28.26 | Lopeppeppy | There's a sticky in the UI/Macros forum for authors, which might list some things we forgot to tell you about. |
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| 12:28.41 | TopTop18 | what forum? EU or US? |
| 12:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | US |
| 12:28.51 | TopTop18 | Okay |
| 12:32.18 | TopTop18 | But for so afr I understood from the blizzard tutorial and the wiki TOC is the index and order of running, XML is for the frames/tickboxes/sliders/looks and lua is the maths/what's in the frames/functionality |
| 12:32.23 | TopTop18 | Am I right there? |
| 12:33.08 | nevcairiel | Mostly, yeah. But XML and Lua can be mixed too |
| 12:33.14 | nevcairiel | Like, you can define Frames in Lua |
| 12:33.23 | nevcairiel | And you can have small Lua snippets in the xml files |
| 12:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | And I'm told often that one can have an addon with no xml file at all. |
| 12:33.43 | krka | xml is mostly for ui-widget-templates |
| 12:33.56 | krka | you can make addons without xml, but not without lua, generally |
| 12:34.06 | krka | not very useful addons anyway |
| 12:34.08 | alestane | It's possible, but inadvised, to put all your Lua in your XML file, as well. |
| 12:34.24 | nevcairiel | As long as you can live on event handlers |
| 12:34.26 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:35.02 | nevcairiel | .oO ( man that addon would look so broken, all in one xml file ) |
| 12:35.17 | alestane | nevcairiel: That's what <Script>code</Script> containers are for. |
| 12:35.25 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: <Ui><Script>bla</script></ui> |
| 12:35.27 | Maldivia | baah |
| 12:35.46 | nevcairiel | Yeah i would just hook that in an OnLoad i guess =P |
| 12:35.50 | alestane | Take a look at JustTheArt, I actually did that because I only needed to define one function that wasn't an event handler. |
| 12:37.18 | TopTop18 | Well I think it's best to keep frames and functionality seperate, so the two files would be best I think :D |
| 12:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | Probably a good idea for a first-addon, TopTop18. |
| 12:38.58 | alestane | It's the more conventional style by far, yes. |
| 12:40.48 | alestane | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#262 The artist's good at drawing cute elf chicks, if nothing else. |
| 12:40.48 | TopTop18 | Okay, so does anyone has an idea for a simple addon I should try to create? Cause most things i think up would be rather duifficult :D |
| 12:40.48 | krka | something like auctioneer perhaps? |
| 12:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | krka! *poke* |
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| 12:41.32 | krka | nah seriously, go for whatever you feel like oding |
| 12:41.33 | krka | doing |
| 12:41.38 | krka | but keep the scope small for 0.1 |
| 12:42.56 | alestane | My first add-on added a checkbox to make self-casting turn off when you joined a group and back on when you left. |
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| 12:43.08 | TopTop18 | Is it good for a first addon to make some addon that places lootwindow under cursor? Or is that to hard? |
| 12:43.33 | Lopeppeppy | That's something that WoW does already, TopTop18, why would you want an addon to do it? |
| 12:43.42 | zenzio | why don't you try it and see? It's hard for us to guess |
| 12:43.59 | zenzio | the best way to get familiar with the whole thing is to just dive in |
| 12:44.08 | TopTop18 | :D |
| 12:44.15 | TopTop18 | Okay going to try that then |
| 12:46.08 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:46.11 | Wobin | 7 manning MC |
| 12:46.28 | nevcairiel | 7? thats already boring, isnt it? :D |
| 12:46.56 | Lopeppeppy | MC is fun times. |
| 12:47.15 | TopTop18 | Never did it :D Although I two manned onyxia |
| 12:47.24 | TopTop18 | Was a lil boring |
| 12:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | I know a pally who solo'd her. Silly pally. |
| 12:48.12 | TopTop18 | Ye some people solo'd here, vid from a mage solloing her on youtube to :D |
| 12:49.19 | TopTop18 | Lopeppeppy, WoW doesn;t palce the loot window under the cursor, although some addons exist that do that |
| 12:50.03 | TopTop18 | Oh and I looked at PIL, but is that usefull, cause WoW is evry restricted? |
| 12:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | ... I think that is not correct, TopTop18. |
| 12:50.20 | krka | TopTop18: go for it, worst case scenario you've atleast learned something |
| 12:50.27 | TopTop18 | You can make it autoloot but not place it under your cursor |
| 12:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | *gentle shrug* As you say. Not like I have the game in front of me to check my settings. |
| 12:50.53 | alestane | I know it had that option at one time, did they take it away? |
| 12:50.54 | TopTop18 | krka, I'm gonna do it :D |
| 12:51.14 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I don't think so, I think it's there, but I can't prove it without my game in front of me. |
| 12:51.14 | Gotai | It's still there. |
| 12:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Gotai. |
| 12:51.23 | Gotai | Interface Options > Controls > Open Loot Window at Mouse. |
| 12:51.46 | alestane | Not that you can't implement it yourself if you want to learn. |
| 12:51.47 | TopTop18 | Oh understood that setting qwrong I think then :D |
| 12:52.19 | TopTop18 | Thought it meant that it would open the loot window if you mouse over a lootable corpse :D Not place the lootwindow under the mouse |
| 12:52.43 | Lopeppeppy | No, you still have to click the corpse to interact with it, every time. |
| 12:53.02 | TopTop18 | Ye I know, but that is how i read that option sentence :D |
| 12:53.20 | TopTop18 | Never tried it though :D |
| 12:53.39 | Aelobin | rawrrrrr |
| 12:53.52 | Lopeppeppy | Your accent is funny, Aelobin. |
| 12:54.06 | Aelobin | =o you're listening to me? O_o |
| 12:54.16 | Lopeppeppy | That was a funny rawr. |
| 12:54.16 | Wobin | I'm doing it for the leaf |
| 12:54.24 | Aelobin | :> |
| 12:55.09 | TopTop18 | Lol |
| 12:55.33 | TopTop18 | Is there a way to nuy the programming guide without a credit card? |
| 12:55.37 | TopTop18 | *buy |
| 12:55.52 | Kalroth | What would you offer instead? Yourself? |
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| 12:56.07 | Lopeppeppy | It's sold on amazon. You can by amazon gift certificates at a lot of grocery stores here in the US, but I think you're abroad for some reason. |
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| 12:56.14 | TopTop18 | Money, but we don;t ahve a creditcard |
| 12:56.16 | alestane | Check with a local bookstore and see if they have it in stock or will order it for you? |
| 12:56.37 | TopTop18 | Umm here in the Netherlands? :D |
| 12:56.41 | Gotai | TopTop18: Bol has it iirc. |
| 12:56.53 | Lopeppeppy | What alestane said, about finding a bookstore to order it for you. |
| 12:57.14 | TopTop18 | Gotai, thx! |
| 12:57.25 | TopTop18 | Lopeppeppy, This sentence? |
| 12:57.27 | TopTop18 | [14:28] <TopTop18> what forum? EU or US? |
| 12:57.38 | Lopeppeppy | Um no, the one most recently from him. |
| 12:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | [08:56] alestane: Check with a local bookstore and see if they have it in stock or will order it for you? |
| 12:57.48 | krka | US |
| 12:57.50 | krka | EU has nothing |
| 12:57.53 | krka | NOTHING I TELL YOU! :( |
| 12:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort krka |
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| 12:58.19 | Gotai | Oi! Stop insulting my forums. :( |
| 12:58.38 | Kalroth | krka is a swede, Gotai |
| 12:58.52 | TopTop18 | Yep Bol has it |
| 12:58.53 | krka | you wish you were a swede |
| 12:59.01 | TopTop18 | Not really :D |
| 12:59.19 | krka | i meant Kalroth |
| 12:59.20 | nevcairiel | I heard they have nice internet connections up there |
| 12:59.42 | krka | many do |
| 12:59.44 | krka | i only have 8/1 |
| 13:00.09 | krka | i could get 50/10 or something, but i don't really need that much |
| 13:00.51 | Kalroth | I got 16/2 atm, dont really need more |
| 13:01.05 | Kalroth | (and I'm not a swede, fuckers@#?!) |
| 13:01.23 | nevcairiel | no, you live in Fisker-land |
| 13:01.26 | Kalroth | :( |
| 13:01.30 | Kalroth | why do you have to remind me |
| 13:01.34 | Kalroth | i hate you |
| 13:01.39 | Kalroth | almost as much as Fisker! |
| 13:01.51 | Lopeppeppy | comforts Kalroth, since purl won't do it for her. |
| 13:01.57 | ilovemrdoe | the UI store looks awesome |
| 13:02.04 | Lopeppeppy | UI store? |
| 13:02.12 | TopTop18 | UI store? |
| 13:02.19 | ilovemrdoe | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21585 |
| 13:02.20 | nevcairiel | check wowi more often, geez :P |
| 13:02.35 | ilovemrdoe | :D |
| 13:02.55 | Kalroth | Man, it's selling Antiarc's high roller for free |
| 13:03.04 | nevcairiel | awesome, plasma crashed when opening fire fox |
| 13:03.08 | nevcairiel | cheers at kde |
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| 13:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | That's awesome news! |
| 13:04.13 | Kalroth | some of the replies, hahah |
| 13:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm excited that High Roller is being offered for free. |
| 13:05.39 | alestane | I'm getting better, I only panicked for about five seconds before I figured out what they were really saying. |
| 13:05.51 | Lopeppeppy | Silly alestane, don't panic, it's all for the best. |
| 13:06.03 | Kalroth | alestane is getting old |
| 13:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | He's younger than I am, so watch it bub. |
| 13:06.29 | Kalroth | hides. |
| 13:06.34 | TopTop18 | I think it's just a new way to get more money... |
| 13:06.40 | TopTop18 | And have us pay more... |
| 13:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | But High Roller is free! |
| 13:06.53 | alestane | I think it's an April Fools joke, TopTop18. |
| 13:06.59 | Kalroth | orly |
| 13:07.02 | Lopeppeppy | (just a little) |
| 13:07.03 | nevcairiel | no way alestane |
| 13:07.16 | TopTop18 | Lol |
| 13:07.21 | TopTop18 | Ye big chance |
| 13:07.37 | TopTop18 | veryverybigchance |
| 13:07.45 | Kalroth | I'm going to save http://blog.internetnews.com/apatrizio/orly_owl.jpg in my copy buffer all day |
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| 13:07.49 | nevcairiel | Its kinda funny around here, though. Alot of people aren't used to those jokes, since no-one really does them around here. So alot of people fall for it. |
| 13:08.02 | krka | i wish addon store was real, that would be great! |
| 13:08.02 | Kalroth | Cairenn is a meanie |
| 13:08.21 | Lopeppeppy | pokes Kalroth with a devastatingly large killer whale named Hugh. |
| 13:08.31 | Kalroth | ya rly |
| 13:09.07 | nevcairiel | man can OO.org be done with compiling already |
| 13:09.40 | Maldivia | krka, go p1mp your mount instead :) |
| 13:10.36 | Legorol|alt | ROFL, the AddOn store is just... great! |
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| 13:11.01 | Maldivia | Legorol: seen http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html ? |
| 13:11.11 | Legorol | no i haven't had time to check official sites yet today |
| 13:11.15 | Legorol | was looking forward to doing so :) |
| 13:11.27 | Adys | Legorol: wonder how many people remember high roller .. :p |
| 13:11.31 | Legorol | haha |
| 13:11.34 | Legorol | at least it's free ;) |
| 13:11.36 | krka | nothing new on blizzard.com |
| 13:11.43 | TopTop18 | Lol ye addon store is fake, not on any of the blizzard posts/sites |
| 13:11.52 | krka | is the wow-europe the only one with funnies? |
| 13:11.57 | TopTop18 | Meh krka we think kinda the same :D |
| 13:12.19 | alestane | Blizzard US isn't up and at work for another 2-3 hours, give them time. |
| 13:12.24 | Legorol | TopTop18: if you hadn't realised it's fake the moment you got up this morning, then you don't know what the date is |
| 13:12.27 | Maldivia | krka: it's only 6am blizzard-time :9 |
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| 13:14.02 | TopTop18 | Legorol, just saw that addon store 3 mins ago :D |
| 13:14.23 | TopTop18 | And not had a joke today yet so was not really thinking about the day |
| 13:14.41 | Adys | the addon store would be a fake even in mid-winter |
| 13:14.51 | Adys | what I'd like to know though |
| 13:14.55 | TopTop18 | :D |
| 13:15.00 | Adys | is how many of the ones answering dont realize it, and how many are just acting |
| 13:15.09 | TopTop18 | Well Blizzard does anything to earn money :D |
| 13:15.25 | TopTop18 | Lol ye |
| 13:15.29 | Maldivia | Adys: well, considering the recent UI policy changes.. |
| 13:15.32 | Legorol | Addys: my rough guess is 20-30% don't realise it |
| 13:15.45 | Legorol | i think you can (mostly) tell who are the ones that are just adding to the joke |
| 13:16.01 | Adys | Maldivia: dont you dare beat the deceased equine |
| 13:16.40 | Legorol | i think one of the best jokes to date was when Blizz did a press release on 0.999~ = 1 |
| 13:17.02 | Legorol | closely rivalled by the two-headed ogre |
| 13:17.03 | Maldivia | Adys: it was a just a reference to, that people mentioned that Blizzard might consider selling addons themselves, and that was the reason they introduced the ui policy |
| 13:17.31 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting that WIM had an embedded april fools joke. |
| 13:17.35 | Maldivia | Legorol: dont forget about hardmode suicide wisps :) |
| 13:17.43 | Adys | WISPS |
| 13:17.55 | krka | Legorol: two-headed was the best |
| 13:17.59 | Elkano | WIM had? |
| 13:18.03 | krka | and worst, because i thought it was awesome :( |
| 13:18.10 | Adys | ~wowilogs |
| 13:18.14 | Adys | ~wwlogs |
| 13:18.14 | purl | You are probably looking for http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/ |
| 13:18.21 | Legorol | krka: i feel exactly the same way :( I'd have loved to actually see it in game |
| 13:18.36 | Maldivia | "This way", "No, that way"... |
| 13:18.50 | Elkano | well, WoW has code in the glue files to support addon update notification ingame... and that's in for years now but sadly it's not used |
| 13:18.51 | krka | Legorol: the funny thing is that people on the forum used the blizzard statement to prove that 0.999~ was in fact NOT equal to 1 |
| 13:18.58 | zenzio | "All right" "No, I'm hungry" |
| 13:19.49 | Adys | THIS IS ALL... YOUR.. FAULT |
| 13:19.53 | Adys | I... hate.. youu. |
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| 13:20.20 | Maldivia | "We're ready master", "I'm not ready" |
| 13:20.57 | Lopeppeppy | "I want woman!" "No, she's ugly. No. Leave her alone. Oh jeeez." |
| 13:21.14 | zenzio | I don't recall that one from Warcraft II :-o |
| 13:21.26 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls eyes* Easter egg |
| 13:21.30 | TopTop18 | Lolling at this reply: |
| 13:21.32 | TopTop18 | Xaoh a si ti seonk ia turth eth tonsi ti |
| 13:21.39 | TopTop18 | to the ui store |
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| 13:21.46 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't have my babblefish handy for that one. |
| 13:21.55 | nevcairiel | read backwarsd =p |
| 13:22.12 | Lopeppeppy | With piss poor spelling too. |
| 13:22.20 | TopTop18 | Sad |
| 13:22.20 | TopTop18 | My condolences to addons |
| 13:22.20 | TopTop18 | A prayer in my native language would suit this situation.. |
| 13:22.47 | TopTop18 | I can't discover what seonk means :@ |
| 13:22.53 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's "knows" |
| 13:23.10 | Legorol | "knoes" |
| 13:23.23 | Legorol | what peppy said |
| 13:23.25 | TopTop18 | Ah thx, now I can finally fully read it :D |
| 13:23.53 | malreth | everything i say today will be true |
| 13:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 13:24.08 | Maldivia | malreth: as opposed to every other day? |
| 13:24.14 | malreth | correct |
| 13:25.23 | Lopeppeppy | I want this toy. http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/ultimate-weapon.html |
| 13:26.08 | krka | sfw? |
| 13:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yes |
| 13:26.28 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a good girl, I remember my sfw tags |
| 13:26.48 | Teomyr | "You agree to hold ThinkGeek, Inc. harmless in the case of accidental death or decapitation." |
| 13:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Very. |
| 13:27.30 | krka | that's pretty cool |
| 13:27.50 | krka | what is Very? |
| 13:27.56 | krka | except an awesome album |
| 13:28.02 | Maldivia | "Our lawyers tell us we do not condone murder or assassination of any kind." <-- really love that part :) |
| 13:28.04 | Lopeppeppy | Love it, want it. |
| 13:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | Very love that part. |
| 13:28.13 | krka | i see |
| 13:28.20 | krka | is that a common idiom? O_o |
| 13:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy-speak for OMG |
| 13:28.51 | malreth | I like the Tauntaun Sleeping Bag |
| 13:28.59 | Lopeppeppy | Adorabubble |
| 13:29.19 | krka | Very => "The previous statement was as great as the album Very" |
| 13:30.07 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy, are you actually in an east-coast time zone, or just an incredibly early riser? |
| 13:30.24 | alestane | We're EST. |
| 13:30.34 | Legorol | hm, wouldn't that be EDT? |
| 13:30.35 | Maldivia | an USB Pet Rock... me wants... |
| 13:30.38 | Legorol | or have you guys not changed yet |
| 13:30.57 | alestane | No, my bad. |
| 13:31.01 | TopTop18 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wiihelm.shtml |
| 13:31.05 | Legorol | realises he is a nitpicking asshat |
| 13:31.07 | krka | some people change summer time more often than i change underpants |
| 13:31.21 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, New York state. EST and a damn early riser at that. |
| 13:31.39 | Legorol | right |
| 13:32.05 | TopTop18 | EST=??? |
| 13:32.14 | krka | estonian |
| 13:32.24 | alestane | Eastern Standard Time, in this case. |
| 13:32.34 | alestane | EDT->Eastern Daylight Time. |
| 13:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you ask, dear? |
| 13:33.12 | TopTop18 | ah okay |
| 13:33.17 | TopTop18 | and how afr east is it used? |
| 13:33.48 | TopTop18 | Lopeppeppy, Just interested, Knowledge and more useless things |
| 13:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | Um.... http://www.time.gov/ |
| 13:35.01 | TopTop18 | ah eastern america :D |
| 13:35.13 | TopTop18 | For me that's west, ot very far east :D |
| 13:35.32 | TopTop18 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/superpiipii.html |
| 13:36.06 | Legorol | what i find most confusing about the time zones in the US is that there are a few areas/cities/regions/whatevers that don't use summer time |
| 13:36.16 | Legorol | so you do get people who are on EDT, and others on EST, at the same time |
| 13:36.18 | Legorol | now that gets confusing |
| 13:36.33 | alestane | Indiana, I think. |
| 13:36.56 | Legorol | that an entire state? |
| 13:37.09 | alestane | Yes. |
| 13:37.15 | Legorol | confusing indeed |
| 13:37.54 | Legorol | I had this once: a prominent website was running a contest during summer, and they posted the deadline for the contest as X hours EST. |
| 13:38.07 | Legorol | So I wrote to them asking if they really did mean EST, or they meant EDT instead, seeing it's summer time. |
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| 13:38.28 | Legorol | They wrote back to me thanking me for pointing it out, and changed the posted deadline to X+1 hours EDT. |
| 13:38.33 | Legorol | I gave up |
| 13:38.58 | Lopeppeppy | I gave up a long time ago. |
| 13:39.09 | TopTop18 | Lol |
| 13:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | I know who is X number of hours ahead or behind me. I use FoxClocks to keep track. That's the extent of it. |
| 13:39.19 | Maldivia | the problem is, noone uses the *DT versions |
| 13:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html |
| 13:39.32 | Legorol | Maldivia: yes they do, all the time. Which is the problem :) |
| 13:39.43 | Legorol | Some people stick to EST, some use EDT, hence confusion |
| 13:39.46 | krka | we should all switch to beats |
| 13:40.04 | Legorol | btw, I'm adamantly defending GMT vs. BST, and I will never give up on that one. |
| 13:40.19 | krka | huh? |
| 13:40.28 | Legorol | krka: people who believe GMT = BST |
| 13:40.30 | Maldivia | Legorol: timezones confuses people, and taking dayligth savings into consideration even more so |
| 13:40.37 | Legorol | right |
| 13:40.47 | Legorol | which is why DST should be abolished all together |
| 13:40.55 | Legorol | it's an antiquated concept that serves no useful purpose anymore, imo |
| 13:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 13:41.10 | nevcairiel | Now that will be interesting, Europe switched to daylight saving on the weekend, i wonder if Blizzard took that into consideration when posting the new PTR testing schedules |
| 13:41.11 | Maldivia | DST is good for energy consumption though |
| 13:41.14 | krka | it's somewhat useful in nordic countries |
| 13:41.24 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: as for how many hours people are ahead of you, well, thanks to the wonders of DST, that varies during the year ;) |
| 13:41.45 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: they did, they mentioned it in the testing schedule for the weekend, that Europeans should ermember to set their watches |
| 13:42.02 | nevcairiel | Heh |
| 13:42.25 | Legorol | Blizzard is very good with their timezones. |
| 13:42.33 | Legorol | The forums display the correct UTC/GMT offsets at all times |
| 13:42.45 | nevcairiel | Also, i do believe that DST is still useful. Summer days are just longer that way, and the whole light isnt wasted in the "early hours" where everyone is asleep |
| 13:43.26 | krka | nevcairiel: i agree! but it depends on how far north you love. people near the equator get less benefit, afaik |
| 13:43.29 | krka | *love |
| 13:43.30 | krka | dasdsad |
| 13:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, that's a constructed expectation, and the transition costs hundreds, perhaps thousands of man-hours every time as equipment fails to negotiate the change properly, or people miss work, etc. |
| 13:43.31 | krka | live! |
| 13:43.46 | krka | Lopeppeppy: we always change on sundays |
| 13:43.50 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy, so punish people, they will learn |
| 13:43.55 | krka | thus, people have a whole day to set clocks |
| 13:44.09 | nevcairiel | its not *that* hard of a concept |
| 13:44.10 | krka | also, all our systems run on utc based clocks |
| 13:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | krka, in the US, working Sunday is overtime most of the time, extra expense to have people in place to monitor or fix failures. |
| 13:44.18 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: yet, Blizzard still mention times as CET, instead of CEST |
| 13:44.26 | nevcairiel | just get a damn radio-clock |
| 13:44.27 | krka | what failures? |
| 13:44.29 | Lopeppeppy | I think we should just not have it. Whole states and countries do FINE without it. |
| 13:44.39 | krka | if something breaks due to DST, your systems are wrong to begin with |
| 13:44.51 | nevcairiel | Maldivia, yeah thats why i was wondering |
| 13:44.56 | nevcairiel | but they probably say EST too |
| 13:44.56 | krka | whole states and countries do FINE with it too :P |
| 13:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | krka, I have a girlfriend in telcom who always, somewhere, has something fail to make the swap in some way. Sucks. |
| 13:44.58 | krka | such as sweden |
| 13:45.13 | nevcairiel | I believe whole europe uses DST |
| 13:45.18 | nevcairiel | but i could be wrong |
| 13:45.26 | krka | their system is broken then, but it's unfair to blame DST for that |
| 13:46.00 | krka | i blame system admins and programmers who can't set up their systems to use standard time |
| 13:47.25 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: Iceland doesn't use DST |
| 13:47.32 | Legorol | Maldivia: actually, blizz is good at using CEST |
| 13:47.36 | nevcairiel | screw them |
| 13:47.42 | Legorol | don't know about you, but every time i checked, they used it properly |
| 13:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | I want ice cream. |
| 13:48.17 | nevcairiel | (isn't iceland that much north that krka's argument would hold for them? oh well, their loss) |
| 13:48.18 | Maldivia | Legorol: recent example: General Vezax (Hard Mode) - Wednesday Night, April 1 at 19:00 CET. |
| 13:49.05 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: yeah, it changes with so many hours over the cvourse of the year, that a single hour wouldn't do much |
| 13:49.09 | krka | yeah, seems like iceland would benefit from it |
| 13:49.26 | krka | icelandic people are weird though |
| 13:49.27 | nevcairiel | thats probably true too |
| 13:49.39 | nevcairiel | changes so much for them, who cares about the other hour |
| 13:49.44 | Lopeppeppy | American people are weird though. |
| 13:49.54 | krka | no wait, it seems that northern parts get more sun |
| 13:50.07 | krka | other way around then |
| 13:50.13 | krka | southern countries should use dst |
| 13:50.18 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 13:50.30 | Legorol | Maldivia: ok, that's a first for me |
| 13:50.35 | nevcairiel | Good that we're in the middle. |
| 13:50.36 | krka | http://www.die.net/earth/ |
| 13:50.52 | krka | i wonder if that's connected to season |
| 13:51.11 | Maldivia | krka: souther hemosphere (sp?) contries, like Australia, have DST in their summer (ie october to march or so) |
| 13:51.12 | batbot | Maldivia, hemisphere. |
| 13:51.21 | krka | ah right |
| 13:51.31 | krka | that's why north gets more sun now |
| 13:51.46 | alestane | nevcairiel: The first person to describe Daylight Savings time was a gentleman outdoorsman. He got annoyed, as he rode out of London at five in the morning, at the number of people who were "sleeping the whole morning away," or something of the kind. |
| 13:51.53 | krka | but basically it's polar countries who need it |
| 13:52.06 | alestane | I would like to go back in time and kick him in the balls. |
| 13:52.58 | Maldivia | krka: well, if you haev 20 hours of sunshine a day in the summer, does it really matter if it's from 2am to 10pm or 3am to 11pm ? |
| 13:53.46 | nevcairiel | i would rather have a longer evening then an early morning |
| 13:54.21 | krka | Maldivia: nope |
| 13:54.29 | krka | it only matters when you have very little sunshine |
| 13:54.34 | alestane | I'm willing to miss an hour of sunshine in the morning, honestly. |
| 13:54.52 | krka | alestane: yes, that's the idea with DST |
| 13:54.59 | Maldivia | krka: if you have 4 hours of sunshine a day (another extreme) 10am to 2 pm, or 9am to 1pm... is there a difference? |
| 13:55.00 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:55.02 | Wobin | phase one |
| 13:55.07 | Wobin | he didn't even submerge |
| 13:55.26 | Wobin | It would have been nice to have him submerge once so the newbies could see it happen |
| 13:56.04 | Maldivia | Wobin: just tell the noobs, that you can't dps in phase 1 |
| 13:56.09 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:56.12 | Wobin | It was fun though =) |
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| 13:58.21 | deQer | Is there a way to do anything with the in-game 3d world for a mod? For example, is it possible to show a target ring on the floor of the game. |
| 13:58.31 | Lopeppeppy | deQer, no, that's not possible. |
| 13:58.43 | Lopeppeppy | Modifying the UI is okay, everything else is right out. 3d world is right out. |
| 13:58.44 | Wobin | I was disappointed that he was immune to fire =( |
| 13:58.48 | Wobin | So much for explosive shot |
| 13:59.15 | deQer | darn. could make the coolest mods with that ability |
| 14:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly, some of the coolest things are the most easily exploitable, and therefore offlimits. :) |
| 14:00.25 | deQer | ahh :) |
| 14:01.27 | deQer | You know of a mod that shows a map of the dungeon you're in. Like, the minimap. If I open my map, it would show an image of the room we're in, with all the player dots, etc. like the minimap |
| 14:01.39 | malreth | hmm... i think i'm an "uncle" now... or whatever it is when your longest time best female friend whom you refer to as your "mistress" has a baby |
| 14:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | I believe that's going to be a feature in 3.1, deQer? |
| 14:02.02 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, is uncle the right word for that? *wink* |
| 14:02.07 | deQer | really? I must have missed that in the patch notes |
| 14:02.14 | zenzelezz | <malreth> hmm... i think i'm an "uncle" now... or whatever it is when your longest time best female friend whom you refer to as your "mistress" has a baby <--- that's just called being "in trouble" |
| 14:02.17 | Lopeppeppy | But yes, for a lot of my close friends, I'm Auntie Peppy to their kids. |
| 14:02.33 | Lopeppeppy | deQer, there's *something* about instance maps, I could swear. |
| 14:02.41 | malreth | she's not really my mistress... it's just our joke |
| 14:02.47 | malreth | she calls me her sugar daddy |
| 14:03.29 | deQer | yup, you're right. under the "Dungeons and Raids" category, it says "New dungeon maps have been added for all Wrath of the Lich King dungeons." |
| 14:03.47 | Lopeppeppy | Don't look at me to justify anything, malreth. Anything everyone's cool with is a relationship I'm cool with. I'm glad you get to have a baby in the "chosen family" to learn about spit up and diapers and stuff. |
| 14:03.49 | deQer | They must have added that after the time I read the 3.1 patch notes back in feb. |
| 14:04.27 | deQer | I wonder if that means they only added maps for wrath dungeons, and not all dungeons? |
| 14:04.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'd say it means "Wrath of the Lich King dungeons" |
| 14:05.16 | Lopeppeppy | does not want to learn about diapers and spit up, no sir! |
| 14:05.17 | malreth | the actual father actually showed up for the delivery... he at least did that much... |
| 14:05.35 | malreth | then again, he said he was there |
| 14:05.41 | malreth | "because he had to" |
| 14:05.46 | malreth | -_- |
| 14:05.50 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like my response for that would be "I hope she kicked him in her labor pains" |
| 14:06.46 | malreth | i'm still waiting for confirmation from her directly... very likely, they took away her phone |
| 14:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | ? Took away her phone? |
| 14:07.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I guess if it might interfere with equipment or something. |
| 14:08.17 | malreth | that and she has other priorities when giving birth |
| 14:08.25 | malreth | live twittering probably isn't one of them |
| 14:09.34 | alestane | Yeah, I really don't need moment-to-moment updates on the state of someone's labor. |
| 14:12.37 | malreth | or, they're both playing a cruel 4/1 prank on all of us... in which case i'll punch-- i mean i'll be very cross with her |
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| 14:14.47 | Lopeppeppy | Punch him if you must, be cross with her for a while, she'll be delicate just after childbirth. |
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| 14:15.33 | malreth | if he's not there today when i visit this afternoon, i will punch him |
| 14:16.01 | malreth | fucker is still jobless and hasn't even tried to apply for work |
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| 14:17.19 | Lopeppeppy | Help her get better fast, so she can kick him to the curb. |
| 14:17.41 | malreth | i've been telling her to do that for the past year |
| 14:19.09 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* I hope she gets sensible soon, babies need consistency to grow up happy. |
| 14:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | Not awesome parents, just consistency. Jerks are rarely consistent. |
| 14:19.38 | malreth | yes. that's really good advice, actually |
| 14:20.33 | malreth | brb... gotta go drag some hardware between buildings... bleh |
| 14:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | giggles. Bad Peppy, bad thoughts. |
| 14:21.17 | alestane | wonders if he's better off not knowing. Probably not. |
| 14:22.11 | alestane | I usually prefer the word "naughty" over "bad." |
| 14:22.48 | Lopeppeppy | Baaaaad Peppy. |
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| 14:23.34 | cog|away | TC-Away: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/slobs.jpg |
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| 14:25.33 | mikma | cog|away: happy days |
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| 14:27.17 | cog|away | O.o |
| 14:27.22 | cog|away | blizzard revised the policy! http://tinyurl.com/RCe8OEe88 |
| 14:27.52 | nevcairiel | video not available in my country =P |
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| 14:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, I hate you. |
| 14:28.31 | cog|away | shakes his fist at nevcairiel |
| 14:28.33 | mikma | This video is not available in your country. |
| 14:28.57 | cog|away | shakes his fist at youtube |
| 14:28.57 | nevcairiel | why would you tinyurl something like that, if you wouldn't want to hide something? :) |
| 14:29.20 | mikma | tinyhide.com |
| 14:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't go to tinyhide urls. |
| 14:29.51 | mikma | lolzies... |
| 14:29.58 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/ |
| 14:30.09 | cog|away | nevcairiel: i figure the rick astley youtube vids go around so much people probably recognize the url :P |
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| 14:30.22 | Fisker- | http://preview.tinyurl.com/ckg5cx |
| 14:31.25 | cog|away | |away |
| 14:31.28 | cog|away | s |
| 14:31.31 | cog|away | ~fail me |
| 14:31.40 | cog|away | ~botsmack |
| 14:31.40 | purl | OWW! |
| 14:31.52 | Wobin | there we go |
| 14:31.55 | Wobin | pimp my mount =P |
| 14:32.05 | Wobin | https://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html |
| 14:33.27 | Wobin | kodo with hat rules |
| 14:33.32 | Wobin | I want a kodo with hat! |
| 14:33.59 | Gnarfoz | anyone using irssi here? |
| 14:34.07 | haste | many |
| 14:34.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm getting constant spam in my status window on quakenet for some reason :\ |
| 14:34.24 | haste | which means? |
| 14:34.29 | Gnarfoz | not sure! |
| 14:34.29 | Gnarfoz | 16:31:43 [QuakeNet] -!- 152 #das-syndikat Gnarfoz H@x |
| 14:34.41 | Gnarfoz | several lines for some of the channels I'm in |
| 14:34.48 | Gnarfoz | not sure what's causing it :\ |
| 14:35.01 | haste | do you use a proxy? |
| 14:35.13 | haste | I get those when I connect a second client |
| 14:35.28 | Gnarfoz | I'm using irssiproxy, yeah |
| 14:35.38 | Gnarfoz | (that is, I connect my xchat here to my irssi on my server) |
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| 14:37.44 | haste | I don't know how to fix it however |
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| 14:37.59 | haste | it never really bothered me, and I didn't care to investigate anymore |
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| 14:47.48 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/91899537 |
| 14:48.02 | Lopeppeppy | Froggie. |
| 14:48.23 | malreth | baaad Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:48.54 | Lopeppeppy | What? *innocent* |
| 14:50.15 | malreth | anyways... i can't believe it but the S.M.A.R.T. system in this one iMac's hard drive actually detected a drive failure and reported its condition correctly |
| 14:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. |
| 14:51.25 | malreth | i've always thought S.M.A.R.T. was the most useless thing in consumer hardware... if the drive is dying, most likely you won't have enough of an OS left to actually report the fault |
| 14:51.36 | Matrix110 | malreth it normally is :P |
| 14:51.45 | ZorbaTHut | the idea is to report faults before they result in data loss |
| 14:51.48 | Matrix110 | google made a study on it with several ten thousand drives |
| 14:51.50 | Matrix110 | its useless³ |
| 14:51.51 | nevcairiel | SMART works for single sector failures |
| 14:51.52 | Thrae | Erm, most modern BIOSes can report SMART errors |
| 14:52.12 | Adys | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/31/1610228&from=rss |
| 14:52.12 | ZorbaTHut | and in theory, it's a good idea. in practice, it turns out hard drive faults are just fundamentally too random |
| 14:52.38 | malreth | if EFI finds the fault, it does little good since it won't get reported to an ARD console |
| 14:52.41 | Adys | # Comedian -- have a score:5 funny comment when the story gets archived |
| 14:52.48 | Matrix110 | giev EFI |
| 14:53.07 | Matrix110 | Wonder why it doesnt get introduced for PCs... |
| 14:53.26 | malreth | resists the urge to lie |
| 14:53.43 | malreth | rolls 1d20... SUCCESS |
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| 14:54.10 | alestane | Made your saving throw? |
| 14:54.24 | malreth | no, i'm just being geekily dramatic |
| 14:54.33 | malreth | i have no d20 here |
| 14:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | He promised today he would be a truthful bear. |
| 14:55.43 | malreth | i was about to say something in response to Matrix110's question |
| 14:56.38 | jnwhiteh | ~d20 |
| 14:56.38 | purl | 2 |
| 14:56.41 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 14:56.43 | jnwhiteh | i fail |
| 14:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ruh-roh, jnwhiteh. |
| 14:57.29 | Lopeppeppy | ~tinfoilhat |
| 14:57.51 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 14:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent* |
| 15:01.15 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, users are in fact morons |
| 15:01.23 | Lopeppeppy | Very. |
| 15:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: "beta test the Addon SDK" was a master stroke |
| 15:01.57 | jnwhiteh | what? |
| 15:02.04 | jnwhiteh | the signing mechanism is really easy to use :P |
| 15:02.19 | nevcairiel | Like, you do nothing, and its done? =) |
| 15:02.23 | jnwhiteh | once you have your author key |
| 15:02.48 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: i have had some troubles with it |
| 15:02.59 | Legorol | since it's still beta, i can live with the bugs, but some are a bit annoying |
| 15:03.01 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: that doesn't surprise me.. you have troublees with everything :p |
| 15:03.04 | Lopeppeppy | brb, lunches! |
| 15:03.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:03.11 | Legorol | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large addon |
| 15:03.42 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: did you ever encounter the bug where you are trying to push a new version of your addon to the store and it claims that the existing one is *newer*? |
| 15:03.49 | Thrae | slaps Legorol around with a Discord mod in retaliation |
| 15:04.19 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: use the standard versioning scheme |
| 15:04.23 | jnwhiteh | follow the rules and it works fine |
| 15:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The "Your Mom Button!" was pretty good too |
| 15:04.34 | Legorol | bah, so they never implemented teh custom versioning thingy? |
| 15:04.38 | Adys | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/01/1215208&from=rss |
| 15:04.38 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:04.43 | Adys | I wonder how that would work with porn |
| 15:04.43 | Legorol | that'd explain it |
| 15:04.50 | PProvost | So what is the general take on EoV in 3.1? Do you think there will be new EoV gear? Or will all the new badge gear be EoC based? |
| 15:05.21 | Thrae | PProvost: I like all my Rams to come from ECC. |
| 15:05.51 | nevcairiel | I don't think i've seen new EoV gear on the PTR |
| 15:06.02 | Arrowmaster | Adys: ive got that one too |
| 15:06.02 | Legorol | PProvost: from what i heard, the only new EoH/EoV item is a DK sigil |
| 15:06.09 | Arrowmaster | Adys: the comedian one |
| 15:06.14 | Adys | hah |
| 15:06.16 | Legorol | PProvost: Blizz doesn't seem to have any plans to add stuff other than that |
| 15:06.26 | PProvost | Yeah, I heard something about sigils, idols and pally books |
| 15:06.47 | Legorol | at the moment, there is only one sigil in game that lets you complete the Epic achievement |
| 15:06.56 | Legorol | which is presumably why they are adding one to the vendor |
| 15:07.13 | Legorol | (actually adding the same as the one dropping from Heigan, i forget its name) |
| 15:07.45 | Adys | Gmail released AutoPilot, a service that generates contextually-relevant automatic replies. "As more and more everyday communication takes place over email, lots of people have complained about how hard it is to read and respond to every message. This is because they actually read and respond to all their messages." |
| 15:09.09 | malreth | I can proudly (and honestly) say I've had Inbox Zero for almost a year now for both my personal and work e-mail accounts. |
| 15:11.37 | Arrowmaster | so wheres the blizz aprilfools day stuff? |
| 15:11.42 | Fisker- | http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/ |
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| 15:13.31 | PProvost | malreth - Inbox Zero is amazing. Changed my life. |
| 15:13.44 | Adys | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Cb4VGgCESEA/SdMPjEQjUZI/AAAAAAAAScM/_X-C7cd1js0/s1600-h/eng2.jpg |
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| 15:16.03 | Legorol | Is the raid leader always guaranteed to be raid1 on every client? |
| 15:16.31 | TopTop18 | I missed soemthing interesting? |
| 15:17.29 | |Jelly| | https://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html |
| 15:17.39 | TopTop18 | seen that already :D |
| 15:17.51 | |Jelly| | ... ok ... |
| 15:17.58 | |Jelly| | How about I rephrase |
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| 15:18.04 | |Jelly| | Arrowmaster: https://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html |
| 15:18.59 | TopTop18 | [15:09] <Maldivia> krka, go p1mp your mount instead :) |
| 15:19.02 | TopTop18 | Long time ago |
| 15:19.13 | TopTop18 | that's when I've seen it |
| 15:19.48 | |Jelly| | Oh for fuck's sake. Scroll up where 6 minutes before I linked that, Arrowmaster asked about the April Fools stuff. |
| 15:20.36 | Arrowmaster | rofl at the cat at the bottom |
| 15:20.42 | TopTop18 | LOL |
| 15:20.57 | TopTop18 | Thought youw as ansering my question XD |
| 15:21.03 | TopTop18 | Ye that cat is cool |
| 15:21.21 | Legorol | that's not a cat, that's a tiger |
| 15:21.26 | TopTop18 | That's the mounted combat they're going to implement :D |
| 15:21.30 | Legorol | it certainly is feline |
| 15:21.37 | TopTop18 | It's a sabre |
| 15:22.18 | TopTop18 | Mistsabre |
| 15:22.31 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc&flip=1&fmt=22 |
| 15:22.33 | Adys | hell yeha |
| 15:23.04 | Wobin | oh god that's terrible |
| 15:23.11 | Adys | barely |
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| 15:23.19 | TecnoBrat | Cairenn|afk, you sucked a lot of people in, lol |
| 15:23.26 | Wobin | Just saw a youtube on how to win auctions on hordeside |
| 15:23.28 | TopTop18 | Is it me or is youtube upside down? |
| 15:23.39 | Adys | your mom is upside down |
| 15:23.42 | Wobin | You MC Gammon, in Org, and use him to chain kick the auctioneers |
| 15:23.46 | Wobin | so people can't bid =P |
| 15:23.57 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:24.02 | Wobin | Says nothing about the other cities, but >< |
| 15:24.10 | Adys | TopTop18: http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-april-fools-2009/youtube-large.png |
| 15:24.22 | syberghost | Cairenn|afk: involving authors was genius. spiel's newsletter sold me on it. |
| 15:24.41 | Floo | Can I hook a slash command? |
| 15:24.42 | malreth | A useful video of exercises for combating CTS and tendinitis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ |
| 15:24.43 | Legorol | syberghost: i'm not sure that authors were explicitly involved, |
| 15:24.52 | Legorol | they just have a sense of humour and caught on by themselves me thinks |
| 15:25.17 | Legorol | Floo: you can hook the function invoked by the slash command, but you run the risk of tainting it. |
| 15:25.27 | Legorol | If it's something like /cast, you'd have to do a securehook |
| 15:25.50 | Legorol | actually, even that wouldn't work, as you probably have to replace the entry in the slash command table |
| 15:25.57 | Legorol | so you'll have a bunch of taint problems |
| 15:26.01 | Maldivia | malreth: a more useful video, showcasing Opera's new face gestures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNxbyp6thM |
| 15:26.22 | Floo | Need to not call /who while I am getting list |
| 15:26.30 | malreth | Face Gestures is a ruse, intended to trick people on this day, April Fool's |
| 15:27.49 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNxbyp6thM&flip=1 |
| 15:27.51 | Adys | much better |
| 15:28.17 | Maldivia | malreth: well, I want it anyway, on a laptop, and using it while sitting in a train or a similar place :) |
| 15:30.01 | malreth | Tim O'Reilly agrees. He says such gesture recognition is already used in interfaces for people with disability. |
| 15:31.10 | Fisker- | attacks |
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| 15:32.24 | TopTop18 | What happens when you do this: |
| 15:32.26 | TopTop18 | Our server detects Face Gestures are already available on your browser version |
| 15:32.26 | TopTop18 | To activate Face Gestures please ensure your webcam is plugged in and hold down the F8 key. You will hear a beeping sound as soon as Opera finishes calibrating your passive facial expression. |
| 15:32.33 | TopTop18 | Cause I don;t have a webcam :D |
| 15:33.54 | malreth | Today's Amazon.com MP3 Daily Deal is a hoot.... William Shatner's "The Transformed Man" |
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| 15:44.46 | Legorol | *sigh* people suck at cost/benefit analysis |
| 15:44.57 | Legorol | There's this group spamming LFG for ages looking for a dps for their normal HoL run |
| 15:45.13 | Legorol | I am a tank, but since i have epic dps gear, i offer to join them (they are mostly 79s) |
| 15:45.41 | Legorol | I do more dps than any of them, but I'd like to roll on tank loot. They are not happy with that, and prefer to carry on spamming in the hope of getting a fifth than to take me in |
| 15:46.10 | cog|work | Legorol: another example: sharking for parking spots |
| 15:46.20 | Legorol | sharking? |
| 15:46.39 | cog|work | driving through row after row waiting for someone close to the entrance of the store to pull out of a parking space |
| 15:46.48 | Legorol | ah right |
| 15:46.51 | cog|work | when there's plenty of empty spaces just a few dozen feet further from the store |
| 15:47.00 | Legorol | idd, that's silly too |
| 15:47.18 | malreth | i call it vulturing, but yeah |
| 15:47.21 | malreth | pretty silly |
| 15:47.25 | syberghost | What I hate is when somebody stops for someone who isn't ready to back out yet, and blocks traffic for a long time waiting. |
| 15:47.51 | syberghost | Makes me want to get out and push a cart in front of them. |
| 15:48.06 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 15:48.07 | malreth | i enter at the back of a parking lot, park in the first spot preferably nose out, and walk |
| 15:48.17 | syberghost | All so they can park 20 feet closer, whoooo! |
| 15:48.24 | malreth | then i don't have to reverse to get out of the parking spot |
| 15:48.32 | cog|work | malreth: ditto. fsm knows i need the walk... |
| 15:48.59 | Legorol | not to mention that getting into tight spots is often easier done going backwards |
| 15:49.01 | syberghost | I park in the first spot after I'm close enough that I don't care. |
| 15:49.09 | malreth | saves gas, too |
| 15:49.21 | syberghost | Sometimes it bothers my wife, she's like "there's a spot up closer" and I say something like "who cares, get out of the car." |
| 15:49.26 | Legorol | speaking of which... why do you call your petrol-based fuel "gas"? |
| 15:49.33 | Legorol | it's not particularly gaseous |
| 15:49.37 | malreth | short for gasoline |
| 15:49.43 | Legorol | ic |
| 15:50.06 | malreth | and actually, gasoline doesn't burn... the vapors do. |
| 15:50.07 | Legorol | i guess it's like the taxi/cab thing |
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| 15:50.16 | Legorol | you chose a different word to shorten :) |
| 15:50.43 | cog|work | malreth: isn't that true about pretty much anything? the heat vaporizes volatile compounds which then combust in the air... |
| 15:51.11 | nevcairiel | Indeed, liquids usually never burn |
| 15:51.53 | malreth | indeed... http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/flammable/flam.html |
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| 15:53.43 | cog|work | tries to staple malreth to the channel but... somebody has stolen his stapler |
| 15:53.51 | malreth | Grr... I should disable Cmd-W for this app... |
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| 15:54.12 | cog|work | heh... on dvorak keyboard layout, w is right next to v |
| 15:54.35 | Fisker- | on qwerty w is right next to q and e |
| 15:54.42 | cog|work | You meant to paste? o sry... you no longer have a document to paste into! |
| 15:54.49 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: I love you to pieces, but ... Bad monkey! No banana!" Same for Dolby, Clad, and Shirik. :P |
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| 15:55.41 | malreth | oh, this is getting ridiculous |
| 15:55.42 | cog|work | Lunessa: srsly... there were already enough tinfoil hatters seriously expecting blizzard to do something like that :P |
| 15:56.08 | Lunessa | I should know better than to read anything before coffee on April 1. |
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| 15:56.45 | malreth | looks around |
| 15:57.01 | cog|work | alestane: jnwhiteh: Lopeppeppy: on D&DTA, are wisdom checks usually (magic)? |
| 15:57.02 | Lunessa | irc on your iphone is bad, mkay? |
| 15:57.04 | malreth | ok... for some reason, just clicking on the window would cause it to /part |
| 15:57.12 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:57.15 | Fisker- | your mom Cairenn|afk |
| 15:57.19 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: they're per zone "type" |
| 15:57.22 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 15:57.25 | jnwhiteh | that makes no sense |
| 15:57.27 | jnwhiteh | but the answer is no. |
| 15:57.29 | cog|work | kk |
| 15:57.31 | Fisker- | no surprise that jnwhiteh has the most expensive addon |
| 15:58.15 | alestane | cog|work: They might tend that way a little more often, but not definitively, no. |
| 15:58.16 | Fisker- | anyways addon store was my idea :( |
| 15:58.52 | cog|work | treasure chest needs an itemrack feature imo ;) |
| 15:58.55 | mikma | does the warlock imp really say "oh shit i'm a little guy"? :D |
| 15:59.45 | jnwhiteh | i think its "who said I'm a little guy?" |
| 15:59.54 | jnwhiteh | not sure |
| 15:59.56 | alestane | I always thought it was "Always shit on the little guy" but he slurs through it and it's hard to be sure. |
| 16:00.41 | mikma | weird stuff imho |
| 16:00.57 | nevcairiel | "Ohhhh sure, send the little guy!" |
| 16:01.00 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Imp#Trivia |
| 16:01.00 | Fisker- | i shat |
| 16:05.22 | Legorol | rofl, has anyone seen wowhead today? |
| 16:05.28 | Legorol | that's got to be an AF joke |
| 16:05.39 | nevcairiel | last year they looked like thottbot |
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| 16:11.21 | Adys | I got a lot of respect for akz |
| 16:11.23 | Adys | and then again |
| 16:11.24 | Adys | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/mob.html?wmob=123456 |
| 16:12.25 | Corey|SchoolNow | is there a way to format frames that they take up a percentage of the screen such as in html, or are frames only able to be sized through pixels |
| 16:13.12 | Arrowmaster | you can set anchor points |
| 16:13.40 | Corey|SchoolNow | through percentages? |
| 16:14.27 | Corey|SchoolNow | or do you mean bottomright/left topright/left of UIParent through pixels again |
| 16:14.58 | jnwhiteh | you can also do RelDimensions |
| 16:15.05 | jnwhiteh | if something is a child of UIParent |
| 16:15.47 | jnwhiteh | you can set RelDimensions to make it take up 50% of height and 50% of width |
| 16:16.23 | Corey|SchoolNow | mmm ok |
| 16:16.27 | Corey|SchoolNow | that sounds like what i want |
| 16:16.51 | Corey|SchoolNow | my problem is that after some options are chosen, a massive map is going to show up that will likely take up 1024/1024px |
| 16:17.07 | Corey|SchoolNow | i'm just worried it may screw up on people who run on 800x600 and the like |
| 16:17.11 | jnwhiteh | textures resize. |
| 16:17.52 | Corey|SchoolNow | alright thanks - i'll have to play around iwth it when i get home |
| 16:17.54 | Corey|SchoolNow | just at school and thought of the problem while in class here |
| 16:18.03 | Robsato | I thought that the units in the WoW UI were independant of resolution? |
| 16:18.14 | Arrowmaster | they are |
| 16:18.19 | Corey|SchoolNow | ah |
| 16:18.22 | Corey|SchoolNow | so there's literally no problem at all then |
| 16:18.40 | Arrowmaster | just make sure it works at 100% ui scale |
| 16:18.47 | Corey|SchoolNow | k |
| 16:18.50 | Corey|SchoolNow | noted |
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| 16:20.09 | Lopeppeppy | Geek question! What is Wolverine's last name? Logan _____ ? |
| 16:20.30 | Robsato | He has a last name? |
| 16:20.31 | Corey|SchoolNow | does anyone have a tutorial/instruction on proxying to in-game |
| 16:20.52 | Lopeppeppy | See... I never thought he did, Robsato. But someone swears to me that he does, and told me it, but I don't believe them. Seeking independent verification. |
| 16:21.08 | jnwhiteh | wikipedia can tell you,im' sure |
| 16:21.33 | Fisker- | rages |
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| 16:22.30 | syberghost | James Howlett |
| 16:22.43 | malreth | yeah.. logan wasn't his original name |
| 16:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | I knew Logan wasn't the real him. |
| 16:23.12 | Robsato | I don't recall his name being mentioned in the last few years of X-men comics. But I didn't read the origin stories of Wolverines own series. |
| 16:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | But yeah... there you go, it's on his wiki, it has to be true! |
| 16:23.23 | Cairenn | hehehe, sorry guys ;) |
| 16:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, syberghost. |
| 16:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Howlett |
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| 16:39.41 | Legorol | Cairenn: sorry you should be! for what? |
| 16:40.13 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21585 |
| 16:41.43 | Fisker- | you stoel my idea |
| 16:41.43 | Fisker- | patents it |
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| 16:43.59 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I still <3 you. |
| 16:44.08 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 16:44.14 | Legorol | ah ok that one |
| 16:44.20 | Legorol | no you shouldn't be sorry, it's a good one :) |
| 16:44.35 | malreth | honestly, i wish it were true |
| 16:44.48 | Cairenn | dolby did an amazing job on the mockup, imo |
| 16:44.49 | Fisker- | it was my ideeeeeea |
| 16:44.56 | malreth | because i really want that high roller mod |
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| 16:45.23 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:45.27 | nevcairiel | and its even free! |
| 16:45.48 | Vonhinten | Too good of a job, it's clearly fake since no blizz UI would look that good |
| 16:46.17 | nevcairiel | if money is involved, it would! |
| 16:46.46 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 16:46.57 | foxlit | The gloss effect is excessive :) |
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| 16:48.19 | cog|work | |Jelly|: Drops of dew glistened off Seasecon's bare shoulders in the moonlight, which stood in sharp contrast to the evidence of fresh bite marks. |
| 16:48.26 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 16:48.35 | |Jelly| | wait. what? |
| 16:48.40 | |Jelly| | RP server ----------------- > |
| 16:48.43 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16102300442&sid=1#10 |
| 16:49.03 | |Jelly| | oh god |
| 16:49.18 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.32 | cog|work | âWhat was it that all these retards were spouting last week? Conform or Die? ... something to that effectâ, she said, putting on her robe and wizard's hat. |
| 16:49.36 | mikma | forums look cool |
| 16:49.59 | cog|work | wonders what his sticky would've looked like |
| 16:50.14 | |Jelly| | You'd know if you hadn't VANDALIZED it! :P |
| 16:50.22 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, the forums are awesome. |
| 16:51.12 | Fisker- | how the fuck do they do that big letter stuff? |
| 16:51.24 | nevcairiel | css |
| 16:52.29 | foxlit | oh god that's awesome! |
| 16:52.35 | cog|work | full of lulz: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1 " failure to abide by them may result in measures up to and including taking formal legal actionâ, she remarked, her leather corset beginning to chafe uncomfortably. |
| 16:52.37 | kamdis | rofl: Summoning all of her courage, Nyxia roared, âTipTop! :-)â, she said, putting on her robe and wizard's hat. |
| 16:53.01 | cog|work | pictures Cairenn in a leather corset |
| 16:53.10 | Cairenn | cog|work: lol |
| 16:53.23 | nevcairiel | full of awesome |
| 16:54.19 | cog|work | Sweat glistening off his furrowed brow, Cogwheel crouched low in a battle stance, poised to strike. |
| 16:54.22 | cog|work | âThis is utter BS. |
| 16:54.34 | kamdis | haha "But her efforts were for naught; as her hair was a bird, she found her point to be invalid." |
| 16:54.47 | kamdis | that's so win |
| 16:55.03 | Fisker- | HAH! |
| 16:55.06 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16102190311&sid=1 |
| 16:55.13 | Fisker- | Nethaera loosened his |
| 16:55.18 | Fisker- | Someone is losing their heads |
| 16:55.27 | Lopeppeppy | I adore it. |
| 16:55.37 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867106&sid=1 |
| 16:56.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: hah! you ARE a she! ;) |
| 16:56.21 | nevcairiel | An uncomfortable tingle rand up and down Lunessas spine. The Virtual Store is a hidden folder in the Users folder, she said, brushing back a lock of silvery hair. |
| 16:56.25 | nevcairiel | somehow that really fits |
| 16:56.35 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 16:56.46 | Lunessa | I'm hawt. You know you want me. |
| 16:56.47 | malreth | Lunessa's features twisted in agony and she managed to spit, âGo to the 'Program Files' folder, |
| 16:56.54 | malreth | beautiful |
| 16:56.55 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:57.23 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 16:57.26 | Cairenn | âThe Virtual Store is a hidden folder in the Users folderâ, she said, putting on her robe and wizard's hat. |
| 16:57.36 | Cairenn | I put on my robe and hat ... |
| 16:57.47 | nevcairiel | so its random, nice =P |
| 16:57.50 | alestane | I think it may go so far as to adjust the text based on the poster's character gender and realm. |
| 16:58.04 | malreth | well, gender at least |
| 16:58.06 | cog|work | What right do they have to tell us we can't be compensated for our hard work?â Cogwheel asked, causing the strange bear to run up and strike him in the face! |
| 16:58.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:58.21 | kamdis | some of them use the poster's realm too |
| 16:58.32 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: haha |
| 16:58.51 | kamdis | makes one wonder if that was really random, cog. :P |
| 16:59.03 | mikma | [19:58:20] [Guild] [Andylord]: [Bejeweled Addon]: I have become a Master in Bejeweling Skill! |
| 16:59.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 16:59.11 | mikma | imho BAN BAN BAN THAT MOD |
| 16:59.31 | Ackis | wot mod? |
| 16:59.41 | kamdis | âCogwheel's excellent macro guide is now at http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macroâ, he uttered, finding only one word to sum up his feelings: SCRUMTRILESCENT. |
| 16:59.59 | Ackis | and anyone here feel like making me a quick/pretty gui for a project i'm working on? |
| 17:00.25 | Fisker- | yeah Ackis |
| 17:00.38 | Lunessa | I'm all sexah. |
| 17:01.04 | Fisker- | http://i42.tinypic.com/ip4hg4.png |
| 17:01.07 | Fisker- | you're welcome Ackis |
| 17:01.59 | Ackis | wot? |
| 17:02.08 | alestane | Also, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/dance/index.xml |
| 17:02.09 | Adys | 5 full alliance raid groups |
| 17:02.09 | Adys | in wg |
| 17:02.23 | Lunessa | Of course, I'm still imagining Lopeppeppy in a leather corset. |
| 17:02.40 | NightHawkTheSane | well, arent we all? |
| 17:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 17:02.49 | cog|work | no, i'm imagining Cairenn|afk |
| 17:03.04 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:03.13 | Ackis | I'm imagining cog|work |
| 17:03.13 | Cairenn|afk | giggles at cog|work |
| 17:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm working no imagining both, and not getting kicked >.> |
| 17:03.22 | NightHawkTheSane | s/no/on/ |
| 17:03.34 | durcyn | i'm in a leather corset right now. |
| 17:03.47 | cog|work | ss or it didn't happen |
| 17:03.48 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:03.55 | Lunessa | "business up front, party in the back." |
| 17:04.14 | Fisker- | haha |
| 17:04.17 | Fisker- | T-Pain |
| 17:04.21 | Lunessa | Actually... Cairenn|afk in a corset... mmmmmm. |
| 17:05.03 | cog|work | smacks blizzard for furthering our corruption |
| 17:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | just brushed and hung her corset yesterday! |
| 17:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | it is sadly not leather, Lunessa. |
| 17:08.00 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, suddenly this all makes sense! |
| 17:08.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: It's all good... corsets are hawt. HAWT I SAY! |
| 17:08.24 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 17:08.37 | Fisker- | http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/characters/archivist.xml |
| 17:08.38 | Fisker- | haha |
| 17:09.30 | cog|work | âLast updated: 2008-10-30 9:52 PDTâ, he said whimsically to his britches. |
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| 17:10.39 | Fisker- | hahahahaha |
| 17:10.44 | Fisker- | look at the quest bolt :D |
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| 17:11.09 | alestane | I adore the Radial Dialog Tree. |
| 17:11.18 | mikma | i hate that birthday confirmation |
| 17:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: i like how he dies in every clip |
| 17:12.55 | mikma | yeah |
| 17:13.24 | mikma | oneshotted in all the clips |
| 17:13.35 | foxlit | clearly the most hardcore of all hardcore modes |
| 17:13.48 | foxlit | one hit and you reroll! |
| 17:17.46 | Lunessa | âRite?â he wondered, savoring the delicate taste of gravitas. |
| 17:18.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16102300442&sid=1#1 |
| 17:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The ending to that one |
| 17:18.23 | ScytheBlade1 | "But his efforts were for naught; as his hair was a bird, he found his point to be invalid." |
| 17:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That was the ending on that post |
| 17:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | I think they get randomized or something. But still fun. |
| 17:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | They do, client side on every page load/reload |
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| 17:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Similar to last year |
| 17:19.52 | Adys | ahahahahaha |
| 17:20.00 | Adys | the forum AF is more awesome than last year |
| 17:20.51 | Adys | âLols @ poor attempt @ an april Fools jokeâ, he said to no one in particular. |
| 17:21.14 | durcyn | doesn't render with javascript disabled, so yeah. |
| 17:21.53 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 17:22.39 | Lunessa | "As night fell, Lopeppeppy and her boon companions withdrew to the safety of the hills - where they would be free from the clutches of the Wolfoids ⦠for now." |
| 17:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | For now. :) |
| 17:23.26 | durcyn | penny arcade references, whoo |
| 17:23.30 | alestane | Penny Arcade reference! |
| 17:23.41 | kamdis | âFor the lolsâ, she said whimsically to her stuffed bear, Colin. |
| 17:23.45 | Adys | âClever, but no lulzâ, she uttered, finding only one word to sum up her feelings: SCRUMTRILESCENT. |
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| 17:24.21 | Lunessa | I totally laughed at the Wolfoids reference. |
| 17:24.32 | Lunessa | I'm waiting for Witchalocks. |
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| 17:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me we won't see any FF or FF Prime references |
| 17:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly, because that on the WoW forums could be amazing |
| 17:25.53 | Fisker- | has the place surrounded |
| 17:26.09 | Adys | âOn the Role-Playing forums they put up all the little internet memes, damn funnyâ, he said whimsically to his many bladed razor, perfect for smoothing his jagged features. |
| 17:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lolstring = "lol, lulz, lmao, roflmao, lawl, rofl, I lol'd IRL, kekeke, lolcats, imo, , , , lolwut" |
| 17:26.54 | Lunessa | "he declared, as he pondered the ridiculous possibility of adding another pizza for just 25 copper more." |
| 17:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/new-hp/js/forum.js for the curious |
| 17:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | afk home! |
| 17:27.27 | Kirov | http://penny-arcade.com/images/2009/20090302.jpg |
| 17:28.37 | End | lol |
| 17:29.25 | Lunessa | Put Your Game Face On. |
| 17:29.54 | Lopeppeppy | No! |
| 17:30.03 | End | I finally saw why people kept seeing Cairenn in a leather corset |
| 17:30.12 | End | (it chafes uncomfortably) |
| 17:31.31 | kamdis | and is particularly amusing on male characters' posts. |
| 17:31.36 | End | yeah |
| 17:32.10 | mikma | mmm, leather corsets, niiice |
| 17:33.18 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16102340630&pageNo=1&sid=1#5 |
| 17:33.23 | Kirov | My sister collects corsets in real life. She loves them. Her fiancee doesn't. His comment was basically "they take too long to take them off." |
| 17:33.47 | End | cog|work: haha |
| 17:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | Kirov -- he's doing it wrong. |
| 17:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Mine comes off in 30 seconds or less. |
| 17:34.14 | cog|work | Kirov: it's like a built-in angsterator |
| 17:34.52 | cog|work | i think your sister needs to teach her man some patience ;) |
| 17:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/ |
| 17:35.06 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: you realize there are several ways to interpret that statement... |
| 17:35.18 | cog|work | durcyn: I guarantee she does :P |
| 17:35.19 | Lopeppeppy | durcyn, if you value your life, take it as it was meant. :) |
| 17:35.19 | Lunessa | ... Um guys, really.. corseted women are delish. |
| 17:35.19 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - She collects and wears corsets from the 1800's, early 1900's |
| 17:35.29 | Lopeppeppy | adores Lunessa. His priorities are straight. |
| 17:35.38 | Lopeppeppy | Kirov, those might be a bit more complex, ya. |
| 17:36.10 | Lunessa | Hey, Victorians were publicly scandalized by the very notion of sex. But there was an awful lot of it going on. |
| 17:36.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yeah, baby |
| 17:36.35 | Kirov | Lunessa - not that that's changed in the last 300 years. |
| 17:36.48 | cog|work | at least in america |
| 17:36.52 | Lunessa | Kirov: Except now there's a Porn Channel on Cable. |
| 17:36.59 | Lopeppeppy | Cable? |
| 17:37.03 | Lopeppeppy | What about the internet is for porn? |
| 17:37.13 | cog|work | hums along |
| 17:37.17 | Lunessa | Grab your dick and double-click. :P |
| 17:37.24 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo |
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| 17:38.41 | Lopeppeppy | All right, normal people! |
| 17:38.42 | Lunessa | Today is "The Great Wolpertinger" - "Of coushe they exisht! I shee them everyhere! ... hic!" |
| 17:38.55 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: i'm not sure who you're addressing with that... |
| 17:39.00 | cog|work | looks around |
| 17:39.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, well Cairenn and I count. |
| 17:39.12 | Lunessa | You have NO idea. |
| 17:39.28 | Lopeppeppy | What you think we doing? |
| 17:39.46 | Lunessa | But what you think he do /after/? |
| 17:40.55 | alestane | Lunessa: The Victorians generated an amazing quantity of very vivid por...er, excuse me, "smut." |
| 17:41.09 | Lunessa | alestane: And god bless them for it too. |
| 17:41.38 | Thunder_Child | impressive mess cog|work |
| 17:43.12 | cog|work | wishes the bottle of Patron wasn't empty |
| 17:43.36 | malreth | hands cog|work a bottle of gin instead |
| 17:43.38 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I had rum for my coke. |
| 17:44.01 | cog|work | i've never really liked gin, but it's been years since i had any... I bet i would now |
| 17:44.09 | cog|work | at least if it's good gin |
| 17:44.21 | malreth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boodles_British_Gin |
| 17:44.27 | Thunder_Child | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/disney-on-ice |
| 17:45.05 | Kirov | yeah... lets see how many days they sell that for |
| 17:45.14 | cog|work | parody = fair use |
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| 17:45.39 | malreth | lawyers = money spent |
| 17:46.41 | Kirov | Disney is very protective. |
| 17:47.20 | Kirov | They've managed to get Mickey Mouse's half brother removed from Bloom County, which was parody. |
| 17:47.30 | malreth | if (lawyers.cost > tshirt.profit) { trash(&fairuse); } |
| 17:47.48 | cog|work | *shrug* |
| 17:48.30 | Thunder_Child | they have been sued so many time i dont think they give a shit |
| 17:48.48 | cog|work | Kirov: that's more like a sequel than a parody |
| 17:48.56 | Lunessa | cog|work: Gin+Tonic, Gin+Grapefruit Juice, Gin+ Orange Juice, Gin+&up... |
| 17:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | Gin and Juice. |
| 17:49.22 | cog|work | Kirov: i don't necessarily agree with it, but i can see how it would be argued |
| 17:49.23 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa you forgot Gin+Gin |
| 17:49.47 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: No I didn't. I just call that "Drinking from the goddamned bottle." |
| 17:50.15 | Kirov | cog - the matter of you (or me) agreeing on it is rather errelavent, as Disney did sue an did win. |
| 17:50.16 | Thunder_Child | you have no style |
| 17:50.30 | Lunessa | malreth will tell you that after I showed him how to make martinis I ended up drinking gin and vodka straight from the bottle... |
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| 17:51.01 | cog|work | Kirov: right. but they would've won because of another type of argument. |
| 17:51.04 | Lopeppeppy | I can do that for rum, never for vodka. |
| 17:51.08 | malreth | i should learn to make a Long Island Iced Tea |
| 17:51.21 | cog|work | Kirov: since it's a brand new character based on the original, it's not quite the same as a parody |
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| 17:51.42 | cog|work | it diminishes Disney's ability to create a similar character in the future if they so chose |
| 17:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, I thought LIIT was just about pouring a shot from each liquor bottle and smiling about it? |
| 17:52.29 | Kirov | cog|work - A smoking, drinking mouse with a bite taken out of one ear who happens to have a brother named "Mike". |
| 17:52.42 | cog|work | the nature of the character doesn't matter |
| 17:53.04 | cog|work | it's more like the harry potter encyclopedia than that tshirt |
| 17:53.05 | Kirov | cog|work - personally I think it would be an interesting direction for disney to go. :) |
| 17:53.19 | kamdis | Just the white liquors though, Peppy! |
| 17:53.19 | cog|work | Kirov: quite :P |
| 17:53.44 | Kirov | Though it'd come out under Buena Vista instead... |
| 17:54.36 | cog|work | my point is that it probably wouldn't even take a lawyer to defend the tshirt since it's a direct parody of existing characters. It doesn't try to add anything new to disney's universe |
| 17:55.12 | cog|work | a day or two to take a trip to court is probably less than the tshirt profit... and if they lose, oh well |
| 17:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | kamdis, no rum? |
| 17:55.57 | kamdis | light rum |
| 17:55.57 | Lopeppeppy | How's it get brown then? |
| 17:55.58 | kamdis | :) |
| 17:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | EEEEEEWWWW! |
| 17:56.10 | kamdis | spash of soda, i believe |
| 17:56.18 | Lopeppeppy | oh. |
| 17:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay then. |
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| 17:56.39 | kamdis | and sweet and sour or pineapple juice |
| 17:56.54 | Shirik | Lunessa :P |
| 17:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | Needs more rum, IMO. |
| 17:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | I may get some on the way home, while my prescription is being filled. |
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| 18:01.43 | Shirik | I thought my comment was very well thought out, Lunessa |
| 18:01.50 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:01.51 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 18:01.53 | Fisker- | wanna be friends? |
| 18:01.56 | Shirik | no |
| 18:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Shirik. |
| 18:02.03 | Fisker- | oh |
| 18:02.04 | durcyn | why rum and pills, peppy? :( |
| 18:02.05 | Fisker- | i hate you then |
| 18:02.37 | Lunessa | malreth: Next time I'm up, I'll show you LIIT then |
| 18:02.46 | Lunessa | And the Singapore Slig |
| 18:03.20 | foxlit | Here's a homework question: how are water molecules arranged in liquid water? |
| 18:03.28 | Lunessa | Shirik: It was funny... but I was not caffeinated yet. |
| 18:03.35 | malreth | Confirmed... I'm now "sorta-uncle" malreth. Waiting on pics... |
| 18:04.04 | Lunessa | The mistress has delivered her AddOn? |
| 18:04.33 | Lopeppeppy | durcyn, not at the same time. Different stores. |
| 18:04.36 | malreth | born this morning at 8:40 am after 13 hours... 8.1 pounds of future soccer playing mastery |
| 18:04.49 | cog|work | foxlit: does "they aren't" count? :P |
| 18:04.54 | Lopeppeppy | Randomly? |
| 18:05.05 | Lunessa | malreth: Very cool. |
| 18:05.07 | malreth | she would have called me earlier but she's been zonked out on drugs |
| 18:05.14 | foxlit | cog|work: doesn't yield anything useful, unfortunately. |
| 18:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad she's doing well, malreth. |
| 18:06.15 | digmouse | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/dance/index.xml |
| 18:06.16 | digmouse | <- best content ever! |
| 18:06.27 | foxlit | The actual question is more like "given water density and mater mass, find diameter of dipole separation", but, unfortunately, that involves a judgement on the aforementioned arrangement |
| 18:06.48 | Esamynn | ~poke digmouse |
| 18:06.57 | Shirik | ~poke Esamynn |
| 18:07.04 | cog|work | i know since water molecules have a slight polarity they'll clump together in roughly the same direction but the very fact that it's a liquid means there really isn't an arrangement... the molecules are constantly moving around i |
| 18:07.07 | digmouse | ~poke everyone |
| 18:07.08 | Shirik | oh yeah, someone removed ~poke :( |
| 18:07.11 | Esamynn | pokes purl |
| 18:07.13 | cog|work | Shirik: no |
| 18:07.17 | cog|work | all the commands are broken |
| 18:07.19 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 18:07.19 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 18:07.21 | Shirik | no |
| 18:07.23 | Shirik | someone removed ~poke |
| 18:07.28 | cog|work | orly? |
| 18:07.33 | cog|work | ~literal cmd: poke |
| 18:07.34 | Esamynn | ~lart someone |
| 18:07.34 | purl | eats someone's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 18:07.42 | cog|work | ~literal cmd: fail |
| 18:07.49 | Esamynn | ~fail cog|work |
| 18:07.50 | cog|work | hmm... how did that go? |
| 18:08.00 | Shirik | ~literal cmd: fail (.*?) |
| 18:08.00 | purl | "cmd: fail (.*?)" is "($1): (<reply> You suck at everything in life, $1. I hate you because you fail.|<reply>$1: FAIL!|<reply>$1, you Fail!|<reply>$1: FAIL!|<reply>$1, you Fail!|<reply>$1: FAIL!|<reply>$1, you Fail!)" |
| 18:08.12 | Esamynn | hmm, maybe commands are just broken? |
| 18:08.18 | cog|work | ~literal cmd: poke (.*?) |
| 18:08.18 | purl | "cmd: poke (.*?)" is "($1): <action> cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind $1, pokes $1 repeatedly, hilarity ensues." |
| 18:08.19 | Shirik | lart is a command |
| 18:08.26 | cog|work | Shirik: i win |
| 18:08.27 | Esamynn | Shirik: not a factoid one |
| 18:08.29 | Shirik | oh so poke is still there |
| 18:08.35 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 18:08.36 | Thunder_Child | they are all there |
| 18:08.39 | Esamynn | lart is a special command that is hard coded |
| 18:08.49 | cog|work | ^ |
| 18:08.50 | Thunder_Child | but varibale based factoids are not working |
| 18:08.55 | Shirik | I see |
| 18:08.56 | Fisker- | fail |
| 18:08.57 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: not true |
| 18:09.03 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, eh? |
| 18:09.04 | Esamynn | botsnack is working |
| 18:09.06 | cog|work | luckly this one still works: |
| 18:09.07 | malreth | ugh... she's sending me the gory details... |
| 18:09.08 | cog|work | ~failrik |
| 18:09.08 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:09.09 | Shirik | ~fail Esamynn |
| 18:09.13 | Esamynn | it's the one that you give a TARGET to, that aren't working |
| 18:09.19 | Esamynn | s/one/ones/ |
| 18:09.23 | Thunder_Child | yes Esamynn, thats a variable |
| 18:09.27 | Esamynn | right |
| 18:09.30 | foxlit | cog|work: Yeah; I'm sure you can assume that at some perfect moment in time, they'd all randomly arrange themselves in some regular pattern. |
| 18:09.32 | Thunder_Child | thats what i said |
| 18:09.43 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: but ~botsnack also uses a variable |
| 18:09.53 | Esamynn | ~literal botsnack |
| 18:09.53 | purl | Esamynn: aw, gee |
| 18:10.05 | cog|work | foxlit: that process is called freezing :P |
| 18:10.19 | foxlit | Only if it won't break the very next moment :P |
| 18:10.27 | foxlit | The problem is whether the volume per molecule is taken up solely by a molecule, or if it behaves more like a crystal, and there are minute "gaps" |
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| 18:10.44 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:10.57 | malreth | Esamynn: we noticed that last night too... does purl need a reboot? |
| 18:10.58 | foxlit | Plugging in known results suggests the latter, but it's still annoyingly evil :/ |
| 18:11.03 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, is that a factoid? |
| 18:11.09 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: I'm checking |
| 18:11.10 | Thunder_Child | because i cant get a literal from it |
| 18:11.24 | Esamynn | looks like it's not |
| 18:11.30 | Esamynn | so nm |
| 18:11.38 | cog|work | considering molecules are made of atoms which are made of subatomic particles in a quantum state that you can never know with certainty, the idea of a water molecule having a specific, "hard-coded" volume simply doesn't make sense to me. But i'm weird like that |
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| 18:11.57 | Lunessa | cog|work: They're all STRINGS! |
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| 18:13.35 | foxlit | models, cog, models. |
| 18:13.52 | cog|work | foxlit: yeah yeah... i is smart ass |
| 18:13.53 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:14.06 | Shirik | cog|work: But you can't deny that water has a volume, no? |
| 18:14.27 | cog|work | I can deny that I took myself seriously with that statement. :P |
| 18:14.29 | Esamynn | Shirik: I'm sure he can deny whatever he feels like :P |
| 18:14.50 | Shirik | Esamynn, give me something to do with these 12k turns |
| 18:14.57 | Shirik | actually proably closer to 20k now |
| 18:15.00 | Esamynn | Shirik: I have a similar problem :/ |
| 18:15.20 | cog|work | lern2worldtrade |
| 18:15.26 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:15.41 | Shirik | world trade doesn't help when everything's at 0%! |
| 18:15.48 | Esamynn | haha |
| 18:16.06 | cog|work | you could go evil and worldssm :P |
| 18:16.21 | foxlit | Shirik: code a lua bot to play the game for you already |
| 18:16.25 | cog|work | i can use up all my turns without ever depleting a port ;D |
| 18:16.30 | foxlit | Then you can work on more important things. |
| 18:16.33 | foxlit | Like cog domination. |
| 18:16.47 | cog|work | Shirik: how about doing worldtrade in an IC? |
| 18:16.55 | cog|work | that would eat up turns like mad |
| 18:16.57 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:16.57 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:16.57 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:17.52 | Shirik | Turns left : 19613 |
| 18:17.53 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:18.11 | Esamynn | Shirik: I think the only thing to do at this point is just to ppt it down |
| 18:18.25 | Shirik | yeah I will |
| 18:18.29 | cog|work | should i reduce the turn banking to 3 days? |
| 18:18.44 | Esamynn | how would that help? |
| 18:18.58 | cog|work | it would shut shirik up about having too many turns to use up :P |
| 18:19.33 | cog|work | has 800something |
| 18:19.51 | foxlit | should definitely write an agent. |
| 18:19.55 | foxlit | is too lazy. |
| 18:19.57 | foxlit | halp! |
| 18:20.13 | cog|work | Shirik: do you go to an unexplored sector before starting your worldtrade? |
| 18:20.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Kowski (n=ykow@pv130242.reshsg.uci.edu) |
| 18:20.26 | Shirik | depends on how I feel that day |
| 18:20.41 | Thrae | injects 500ccs of Red Bull directly into foxlit's brain. |
| 18:20.43 | cog|work | i don't know if the script randomly chooses a path, but if you always start from the same location it seems like it would take you through all the ones you've already depleted |
| 18:20.56 | cog|work | in my SSMing i haven't come across many ports at 0% on anything |
| 18:20.56 | foxlit | wonders what a cc is |
| 18:21.03 | cog|work | cubic centimeter |
| 18:21.14 | foxlit | What, just 0.5 L? |
| 18:21.16 | Shirik | woot |
| 18:21.20 | Shirik | I just crashed TWXProxy |
| 18:21.23 | Shirik | and I wasn't even doing naything |
| 18:21.32 | Shirik | I was playing manually |
| 18:21.45 | cog|work | foxlit: yep |
| 18:22.13 | cog|work | foxlit: for whatever reason medical community usually uses ccs |
| 18:22.35 | foxlit | cm^3 isn't a bad unit |
| 18:22.40 | durcyn | you'd rather they used ounces and drams and such still? |
| 18:22.52 | cog|work | foxlit: it's not, but they could just as easily use ml |
| 18:22.59 | foxlit | The abbreviation is just odd. |
| 18:23.09 | Maldivia | hmm... a dance battle system in wow could actually be fun, I thinnk :) |
| 18:23.10 | Thrae | injects 50 stones worth of Red Bull directly into foxlit's brain. |
| 18:23.12 | foxlit | "mills", surely? |
| 18:23.18 | NeoTron | say it out loud |
| 18:23.26 | NeoTron | ccs is easier and clearer than mls |
| 18:23.41 | cog|work | see sees vs mills |
| 18:24.07 | cog|work | or see sees vs em ells |
| 18:24.20 | End | seesees or mills? |
| 18:24.24 | NeoTron | I still think cc probably is clearer in hurried/emergency situations |
| 18:24.40 | Thrae | Usually it's em ells like with see sees |
| 18:24.56 | End | NO MILLS IS BETTER |
| 18:25.02 | cog|work | NeoTron: probably but i bet it's more of a tradition thing than anything so pragmatic |
| 18:25.03 | foxlit | Meh, I'd accept an argument based on "you don't have to introduce another unit" |
| 18:25.26 | Lunessa | Dance Battle System - I'm forming a Crew "We Bring Da Funk" |
| 18:25.34 | Thrae | ccs isn't another unit, it's a unit of the metric system. |
| 18:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | I only do the Electric Slide. |
| 18:25.52 | Maldivia | Lunessa: hehe :) |
| 18:25.53 | foxlit | Thrae: which is exactly what the argument is. |
| 18:26.19 | Thrae | So the argument is whether to use metric or non-metric? I thought most people agreed metric makes more sense. |
| 18:26.27 | cog|work | Thrae: no |
| 18:26.51 | cog|work | the question is why use two different units for the exact same measurement |
| 18:27.05 | NeoTron | ml is arguable immediately clear what it is |
| 18:27.06 | foxlit | especially when the relation is trivial |
| 18:27.06 | Fisker- | METRIC! |
| 18:27.22 | Lopeppeppy | cc is a standard medical measure.... |
| 18:27.25 | malreth | because they're functionally the same |
| 18:27.33 | cog|work | my guess is that "cc" was in use by the medical community before the rest of the SI units were standardized |
| 18:28.12 | Kraftman | i thought they are both metric? |
| 18:28.20 | cog|work | they are |
| 18:28.45 | Maldivia | Lunessa: I'll challenge you with a cossack then |
| 18:28.48 | Kraftman | then why are people shouting "Metric!" >< |
| 18:29.06 | cog|work | Kraftman: that's Fisker- |
| 18:29.10 | Thrae | The reason cc was used instead of ml is because the mass of one cc of water is roughly equal to a gram. |
| 18:29.11 | Kraftman | lol |
| 18:29.12 | cog|work | he's full of fail |
| 18:29.13 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:29.27 | cog|work | Thrae: umm... same goes for ml |
| 18:29.29 | Lunessa | Maldivia: You'd better bring it! You're about to get /served/. |
| 18:29.36 | Kraftman | the mass of one cc of water is the same as the mass of 1 ml of water >< |
| 18:29.46 | cog|work | iirc ml was originally defined as the volume of a gram of water |
| 18:29.50 | |Jelly| | LOUD NOISES |
| 18:29.53 | Maldivia | Lunessa: no no, I'm the server you will become the servee :) |
| 18:30.32 | cog|work | Thrae: they're identical units. the curiosity is why people use different labels for the same thing |
| 18:30.40 | Lunessa | Our moves are dope! Fly! We Bring Da Funk! |
| 18:31.00 | Lunessa | ~logs |
| 18:31.00 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | cc is physically easier to say, and not as likely for m and n to be confused.... |
| 18:31.53 | Maldivia | and damn I'm already getting tired of the forum RP-mode... |
| 18:32.23 | Kraftman | "mills" is as easy to say as "see see" IMO |
| 18:32.40 | Thrae | Lopeppeppy: Except in Doctor's script, cc is actually getting confused for 00 with cc assumed and rarely people get lethal doses because of it. |
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| 18:33.50 | cog|work | http://forum.onlineconversion.com/showpost.php?s=531217718f53c30c0bc14fa740d05e48&p=40306&postcount=1 |
| 18:34.10 | cog|work | ^ studies recommending the use of mL instead of cc |
| 18:36.08 | cog|work | remains convinced that cc was simply the unit someone used back in the day, it caught on and stuck. |
| 18:36.55 | |Jelly| | remains convinced that cog|work is just being obtuse! |
| 18:37.35 | |Jelly| | Maldivia: I completely agree. |
| 18:38.08 | malreth | http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/characters/archivist.xml |
| 18:38.17 | malreth | cute |
| 18:38.41 | Kraftman | if 1 calorie is the amount of energy required to heat one gram of water 1 celcius, would drinking 1 liter of water burn 1000 calories? :S |
| 18:38.59 | cog|work | Kraftman: calories in diet are actually kilocalories |
| 18:39.15 | Kraftman | yeh |
| 18:39.26 | Kraftman | but you'd also be raising the temperature more than 1 degree |
| 18:39.33 | cog|work | and your liter of water would have to be at 97.6 deg |
| 18:39.35 | cog|work | err... |
| 18:39.45 | cog|work | whatever human body temperature is less 1 deg celsius |
| 18:40.06 | Kraftman | 37.5 |
| 18:40.07 | Kraftman | i think |
| 18:40.39 | Lunessa | Man, visiting the logs page just TRASHES Firefox 3. |
| 18:40.43 | Kraftman | so if it was cold water, you'd be raising it ~ 20 celcius |
| 18:40.48 | cog|work | Kraftman: there was an episode of Food Detectives recently where they investigated drinking ice water for weight loss |
| 18:41.02 | cog|work | technically you do burn calories, but it's pretty trivial |
| 18:41.07 | Kraftman | ok |
| 18:41.13 | Kraftman | thanks :) |
| 18:41.15 | cog|work | and the damage you do by freezing your insides does far more harm |
| 18:41.18 | Kraftman | :S |
| 18:41.41 | Kraftman | thats my plan foiled |
| 18:41.48 | |Jelly| | seriously |
| 18:41.48 | Kraftman | (not that im fat ofc) |
| 18:42.10 | cog|work | s/ofc// imo :P |
| 18:42.22 | Kraftman | ^^ |
| 18:42.33 | cog|work | at least in a channel like this one :P |
| 18:42.48 | Kraftman | :P |
| 18:43.48 | cog|work | |Jelly|: lol @ "yes" |
| 18:43.49 | Lunessa | There's a girl in New York City, she calls herself the "Human Trampoline." |
| 18:44.20 | |Jelly| | That's all I could get out, since you know ... corset .. |
| 18:44.26 | mikma | lunessa: cool. |
| 18:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | And sometimes when I'm falling, flying or tumbling in turmoil I say, "Woah, so this is what she means." |
| 18:44.34 | cog|work | *chuckles* |
| 18:44.40 | cog|work | hums along |
| 18:44.44 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly.... *CORSET* *giggle* |
| 18:44.58 | Lunessa | I'd pay money to see Jelly in a corset. |
| 18:45.18 | |Jelly| | You can't afford me, old man. |
| 18:45.20 | malreth | She means we're bounding into Graceland |
| 18:45.37 | malreth | s/bouncing/bounding/ |
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| 18:45.49 | malreth | ~fail |
| 18:45.49 | purl | well, fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. |
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| 18:45.58 | malreth | OIC |
| 18:46.14 | cog|work | poor boys and pilgrims with families and we are going to Graceland |
| 18:46.19 | Lunessa | I have reason to believe we all will be received in Graceland. |
| 18:46.27 | malreth | And I see loooooosinng love is like a window in your heart... |
| 18:46.38 | malreth | Everybody sees you're blown apart |
| 18:46.47 | malreth | Everybody sees the wind blow... |
| 18:46.48 | Lunessa | Everyoone feels the wind blow. |
| 18:47.07 | malreth | whoa oh oh |
| 18:47.44 | cog|work | mommma..... oooooooooo.... Didn't mean to make you cry |
| 18:47.47 | malreth | goes to purchase the song.. |
| 18:48.02 | Lunessa | I have Paul Simon playing in iTunes, #wowuidev in IRC, all I need now is a martini and to not be at work. |
| 18:48.19 | Thrae | When was http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml updated with "World of Warcraft Dance Battle System" (including Teaser Trailer)? |
| 18:48.37 | Lunessa | Sometime this morning. |
| 18:48.40 | Thunder_Child | ok, out of all the branches of games http://www.starcraft2.com/features/terran/terratron.xml http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/dance/index.xml https://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html i think the D3 one wins http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/characters/archivist.xml |
| 18:49.19 | AbsolutRayne | The SC2 one is pretty good |
| 18:49.33 | malreth | the D3 archivist is pretty good |
| 18:49.46 | Corey|SchoolNow | if i'm using $parent_buttonname in my xml and i want to reference it in my lua, how would i do that? |
| 18:49.48 | Lunessa | "what does that mean, 'I really remind you of money?' " |
| 18:49.49 | cog|work | Every time I hear or see "bring it" i can't help but think of not another teen movie |
| 18:49.59 | Corey|SchoolNow | i'm trying to use a simple if statement -- if buttonname == blahblah |
| 18:50.03 | Thunder_Child | it's been broughten cog|work |
| 18:50.22 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 18:50.40 | Lunessa | cog|work: This is not a 'cheerocracy!' I will make the cheer-cisons! |
| 18:51.04 | Corey|SchoolNow | i'll ask again later, have to dc |
| 18:51.19 | Lopeppeppy | She said, "Who am I to blow against the wind?" |
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| 18:51.48 | zenzelezz | kinky |
| 18:52.08 | Lunessa | I was having this discussion in a taxi headed downtown. |
| 18:52.19 | cog|work | ZOMG! there's lasers in the jungle! |
| 18:52.26 | malreth | hehe! |
| 18:52.31 | malreth | that's a great album |
| 18:53.04 | malreth | is $9.99 poorer but one album richer |
| 18:53.47 | Lunessa | malreth: You made the right choice. |
| 18:53.53 | Shirik | Dalaran: 636 Clockwise, 806 Counter-Clockwise Laps |
| 18:53.58 | Shirik | Approx 12 hours |
| 18:54.11 | Fisker- | botter |
| 18:54.11 | Lunessa | You can always get another $10, but you can't always get uplifting art. |
| 18:54.16 | Lopeppeppy | still hates dalaran |
| 18:54.30 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure malreth is worth $10 |
| 18:54.38 | malreth | boo... the album doesn't come with lyrics... |
| 18:54.47 | cog|work | malreth: that's what the internet is for |
| 18:54.48 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: even enough to not capitalize it, now that's hate |
| 18:55.05 | malreth | yep... just disappointed the tracks didn't have them built in |
| 18:55.10 | cog|work | pokes the zenzelezz |
| 18:55.20 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: he's pretty fun at a party. |
| 18:55.23 | zenzelezz | the? Sweet, I always wanted a title |
| 18:55.54 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, the internet if for porn, newsflash |
| 18:56.06 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: ut oh... i'm doing it wrong |
| 18:56.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm telling Mrs. Cog you're not using the interwebs right. |
| 18:56.28 | zenzelezz | cog|work: better get to it; I've had to watch twice as much to compensate for you not doing it |
| 18:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | pities zenzelezz |
| 18:56.53 | Lunessa | Wait, we have quotas? |
| 18:57.04 | Arrowmaster | i have tickets to the avenue q tour show later this month |
| 18:57.12 | malreth | paulsimon.com has all lyrics... nice |
| 18:57.17 | cog|work | oooh they're touring? |
| 18:57.26 | malreth | i hate having to proofread and correct internet lyrics |
| 18:57.43 | Arrowmaster | theres been an ongoing tour for a few years |
| 18:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, I hear it's awesome, have fun! |
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| 19:00.28 | alestane | It was wicked fun last year. |
| 19:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't get to go this year, very sadly. |
| 19:01.29 | malreth | YAY! http://twitpic.com/2opo9 |
| 19:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, malreth, that's awesome. |
| 19:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | "I dug right down to the bottom of my soul, to see how an ice cream felt..." |
| 19:04.55 | Arrowmaster | omg at the sound clips on the terratron page |
| 19:07.20 | kamdis | wait, isn't that from a chorus line, peppy? |
| 19:07.24 | malreth | http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/223281/march-31-2009/better-know-a-lobby---newspaper-lobby |
| 19:07.24 | kamdis | oh i see |
| 19:07.30 | kamdis | scroll back, noob, kamdis |
| 19:09.08 | Lunessa | malreth: please convey my well wishes and happiness to the new mother, eh? |
| 19:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | I did start a new song, kamdis, but it was because it came up on Pandora. |
| 19:09.17 | malreth | will do |
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| 19:09.51 | cog|work | Is there something wrong with me? I have NEVER in my entire life gotten a giddy "ooh i want one" feeling when i see a baby... |
| 19:10.18 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, it's all good, Cog. I don't want one either, they're all noisy. |
| 19:10.54 | kamdis | "up the steep and very narrow stairway, to the voice like a metronome..." |
| 19:11.52 | cog|work | honestly, i don't even find them cute... |
| 19:12.38 | cog|work | all i see is utter helplessness from an extremely poor design |
| 19:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | Big chibi eyes |
| 19:12.58 | Nechckn | Most adults are the same way, though =) |
| 19:14.15 | Nechckn | at least the "utter helplessness" part - but that is shared by any juvenile; requiring support and protection from the adults of the group. |
| 19:14.17 | alestane | cog|work: The price of intellectual potential...everything gets invested in the brain up front. |
| 19:14.45 | cog|work | alestane: aye |
| 19:14.56 | kamdis | cog|work, I agree with you entirely and often wonder if I, as woman, am somehow broken because of it. |
| 19:15.14 | Lunessa | cog|work: I don't get the "I want one of those" feelings either. I know that in 16 years they're going to be telling some therapist about I ruined thier entire goddamned lives. |
| 19:15.17 | kamdis | kids make me go "ewwwwww. pass" |
| 19:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | kamdis, no way. Kidlets are not for everyone, be proud you know your preferences and leave it to the mommies to be mommies. |
| 19:16.13 | kamdis | i suppose so. ;-) |
| 19:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | I'm very happy as a generic "Auntie Peppy" to the kidlets of those around me. I have a cat, she's family enough for me! |
| 19:17.59 | alestane | Don't require people to do something where enthusiasm and involvement are as critical to success as child-rearing. |
| 19:18.55 | Lunessa | The oddness is that if you ask me in a week or a month, I might feel differently. |
| 19:18.58 | Dashkal | I wonder once in awhile if I'm strange for actively wanting kids. |
| 19:19.42 | cog|work | alestane: tell that to religions that ban contraception imo |
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| 19:20.06 | Lopeppeppy | I often say, X is how I feel today. Ask me again next week. |
| 19:20.11 | alestane | cog|work: They're generally not trying to enforce child-rearing, they're trying to maintain sex-related guilt. |
| 19:20.38 | Lunessa | I'm guilty enough about sex as it is, thank you. |
| 19:20.53 | cog|work | alestane: many of them most definitely encourage prolific mating |
| 19:21.16 | Lunessa | Go forth, be fruitful and multiply. |
| 19:21.20 | cog|work | ^ |
| 19:21.34 | cog|work | my wife grew up in a mormon household... those people breed like rabbits |
| 19:21.47 | kamdis | alestane: tell that to all my friends and coworkers who will not stop asking me when i'm going to stop working and have a baby already. |
| 19:22.01 | Lopeppeppy | kamdis, send those asshats to the Peppy, I'll put them straight. |
| 19:22.03 | Nechckn | it follows with the core belief that it's only for making children, though. They don't promote contraception because you should only be doing it when you are married- and only to be making children. |
| 19:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ask them when they are going to give up their careers to go and scale fish on a boat at sea. |
| 19:22.21 | kamdis | lol |
| 19:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hey hey now cog, just because I have more siblings than I can count doesn't mean my parents bred like rabbits! |
| 19:22.23 | Nechckn | not saying either thing is "right" just that it is logical if viewed that way |
| 19:22.35 | ScytheBlade1 | they adopted 3 kids, that's how they pulled it off ;) |
| 19:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | Or when they're going to give up their careers to be the person who cleans out portapotties, that's more appropriate. |
| 19:22.40 | kamdis | the uterus is not a clown car! :P |
| 19:22.42 | alestane | kamdis: That's a highly informal religion. |
| 19:22.43 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: lol |
| 19:22.48 | alestane | A real one, though. |
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| 19:23.19 | alestane | Doesn't really have a name, the dogma works by consensus, but a religion nonetheless. |
| 19:23.57 | Nechckn | " the uterus is not a clown car! " awesome |
| 19:24.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (and fwiw, I honestly have to stop and count my siblings one by one until I can give you a correct number... it is pretty much terrible) |
| 19:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | I like that quote as well, kamdis. |
| 19:24.19 | Nechckn | Cairenn|afk my vote for quote of the week! ^^ |
| 19:24.35 | alestane | Part of the school of thought that maintains that technological change should not precipitate accompanying social change. |
| 19:24.52 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/563/ |
| 19:24.54 | cog|work | of course there's plenty of historical/evolutionary reasons for religions to encourage such. Back when the average lifespan was <40 years, the survival of the species pretty much depended on mass reproduction |
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| 19:25.13 | mikma | lul wat... http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.3&filter=sl=8;ub=7;wt=119:103:123:61:96:23;wtv=100:73:69:35:33:13#0-19+1 |
| 19:25.21 | mikma | LW boots the best according to wowhead ^^ |
| 19:25.46 | cog|work | more people need to adopt imo |
| 19:26.22 | ScytheBlade1 | My parents adopted 3 out of foster care |
| 19:26.31 | kamdis | agreed, cog. If I were inclined to rear a child, that's what I'd do. |
| 19:26.34 | Nechckn | Speaking of LW... I have a baby druid who has been skinning and herbing thus far, to get some $$ in the bank. Thoughts on "best" craft - both for use and for maybe some $ on the side? |
| 19:26.35 | alestane | Practical considerations for the policy aside, at least in Catholicism, the doctrine is that enjoying or desiring sex is not a good reason for having sex...if you're not trying/willing to make a baby, you shouldn't do it. |
| 19:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (as in, we were their foster care home for quite some time, and then we just simply adopted them) |
| 19:26.50 | alestane | Speaking of not-helpless baby animals: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/31/funny-pictures-video-not-just-a-door-for-cats/ |
| 19:28.26 | kamdis | wow |
| 19:28.31 | kamdis | that's really funny |
| 19:28.32 | cog|work | oh deer |
| 19:28.39 | kamdis | boooo |
| 19:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ deer |
| 19:29.25 | alestane | And interestingly, while many religions try to limit contraception, it's a pretty widely developed concept...I don't think there are too many cultures out there with no concept of it. |
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| 19:30.02 | ubalooba | hey guys, is anyone familiar with mobo MCP temps? |
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| 19:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ....... that was totally a bot |
| 19:30.58 | Aelobin | who is it in here who made QH? :P |
| 19:31.07 | alestane | I was just gonna ask what channel he thought he was in. |
| 19:31.10 | kamdis | zorba maintains it/updated it |
| 19:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It took me a minute for it to click, but that was totally a bot. |
| 19:31.23 | kamdis | ZorbaTHut |
| 19:31.32 | Aelobin | ZorbaTHut: any idea why it wouldnt add new quests when i pick them up, but they appear when i relog |
| 19:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | what is a mobo mcp temp? |
| 19:33.01 | kamdis | media chip part or something |
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| 19:36.02 | Shirik | !!!!!!!!! |
| 19:36.06 | Shirik | IPv6 over Facebook |
| 19:36.08 | Shirik | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5514#ref-IPv6overFacebook |
| 19:36.57 | Lunessa | Shirik: ... should I just hunt down the author now? |
| 19:37.43 | Lopeppeppy | doesn't understand. |
| 19:38.24 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 19:38.52 | ScytheBlade1 | OH |
| 19:38.52 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Apparently, either does the author of that RFC |
| 19:38.53 | ScytheBlade1 | HEY GUYS |
| 19:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | IT IS APRIL FIRST |
| 19:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 19:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hai2U2, ScytheBlade1. |
| 19:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Suddenly that makes sense |
| 19:40.55 | Dashkal | oh my god, did he actually implement that? please say the comments on the facebook page are just playing along |
| 19:43.25 | Lunessa | Forums are a wash for today. |
| 19:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Loopback0 address: 2001:db8:face:b00c::1ba:a336/128 |
| 19:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Well it doesn't ping |
| 19:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 19:47.14 | tekkub | aw, is the dance thing the only one blizzy did? |
| 19:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | No, they did one for each game. |
| 19:47.29 | Odlaw | i thought ipv6 loopback was ::1 |
| 19:47.39 | tekkub | oh, yea I don't look at the other games :P |
| 19:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 19:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ROFL @ WoW forum post + randomizations |
| 19:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | âOh god, this is epicâ, she said, putting on her robe and wizard's hat. |
| 19:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder how many complaints they'll get for that little line |
| 19:49.01 | Codayus | tekkub: Also Pimp My Mount, I think. |
| 19:49.19 | haste | y |
| 19:49.23 | Codayus | So 2 for wow, plus 1 each for D3 and SC2. |
| 19:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | I think Pimp my Mount was EU |
| 19:49.31 | haste | I _so_ want a hat no my kodo |
| 19:49.38 | haste | that would be freaking awesome |
| 19:49.58 | krka | the terrantron was broken for me |
| 19:49.59 | krka | :/ |
| 19:50.37 | Antiarc | Cairenn|afk: Aces with the addon store. |
| 19:50.52 | Dashkal | krka: start from starcraft2.com and click your way into it, the direct link is broken (features -> terran -> terratron) |
| 19:50.54 | krka | ah works now |
| 19:51.00 | krka | the problem wasn't finding it |
| 19:51.03 | krka | it simply was broken before |
| 19:51.07 | krka | weird, works now |
| 19:51.11 | Arrowmaster | click the sounds on the terratron |
| 19:51.16 | Arrowmaster | its great |
| 19:52.12 | krka | yeah |
| 19:52.44 | cog|work | can't trust anything on slashdot today |
| 19:52.54 | krka | it looks so good, i wonder if they even made a branch in SC2 to implement all that |
| 19:53.04 | krka | or if it's all just a hacked video |
| 19:53.08 | cog|work | "warner bros. acquires the pirate bay" |
| 19:53.22 | cog|work | "online banking customers migrating to lynx" |
| 19:53.23 | Arrowmaster | well they said that they would add last years to the map editor |
| 19:53.29 | Maldivia | cog|work: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4816087/Warner_Bros_Loves_The_Pirate_Bay.pdf :) |
| 19:53.32 | alestane | "Please note that wearing a Robe and Wizard Hat is distinct from putting on your robe and wizard hat. " |
| 19:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: win |
| 19:53.47 | krka | Arrowmaster: what was last years? |
| 19:54.48 | Arrowmaster | tauren marrien |
| 19:55.23 | alestane | marine* |
| 19:55.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 19:55.43 | batrick | GMOTD said it was croc daily... april fool = me :( |
| 19:56.20 | krka | ah right |
| 19:56.41 | krka | it's cool that they spend so much effort from programmers and artists just to make an april fools joke |
| 19:56.56 | krka | most others just seem to write a silly news article |
| 19:57.14 | Maldivia | when I first saw the terra-tron movie, I got a flashback to releasing monsters to my simcity :) |
| 19:57.50 | Lunessa | Does anyone ever eat just a singe Hershey's Kiss? |
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| 19:59.06 | alestane | Lunessa: If that's what I have. |
| 19:59.25 | Lunessa | Serving Size: One Bag. |
| 19:59.44 | Maldivia | and really love all the game references in the voices :) |
| 20:00.38 | krka | is it a transformer or a power rangers thing? O_o |
| 20:01.20 | Maldivia | "all your base are belong to us", "hell, it's morphing time", etc etc :) |
| 20:02.12 | krka | where is the morph from? |
| 20:02.22 | Arrowmaster | watch the videos |
| 20:02.26 | krka | i have! |
| 20:02.38 | krka | watched them all and listened to all sounds |
| 20:07.33 | airtonix | waitwtf, ok is it an april fools joke about the ingame addon store? |
| 20:07.45 | malreth | yes... you have been fooled, airtonix |
| 20:07.48 | cog|work | rofl |
| 20:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | Um, yes, airtonix. |
| 20:07.51 | airtonix | phew |
| 20:07.55 | mikma | .. |
| 20:08.00 | mikma | c'mon, they aren't that hard to spot |
| 20:08.06 | malreth | now take this as a lesson, airtonix |
| 20:08.22 | cog|work | mikma: trouble is there were a bunch of people seriously thinking the reason for the new addon policy was so that blizzard could do just that |
| 20:08.36 | airtonix | i wasnt sure due the other recent changes blizzard released |
| 20:08.42 | malreth | always take everything you read on the internet with a grain of salt |
| 20:08.47 | cog|work | for instance that stupid glider lawyer |
| 20:08.50 | malreth | and above all, you can trust me |
| 20:08.55 | cog|work | ~malreth |
| 20:08.55 | purl | never take malreth seriously |
| 20:08.58 | malreth | for today |
| 20:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | Today, malreth promised to be good. |
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| 20:09.19 | malreth | purl, you wound me |
| 20:09.21 | Lopeppeppy | people am sheeple am dum |
| 20:09.29 | cog|work | How do people get from "All addons must be free" to "Now every addon is going to be for-pay" ? |
| 20:09.35 | cog|work | it's just... |
| 20:09.40 | cog|work | i don't get it |
| 20:09.42 | DWSR | mind-blasting? |
| 20:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | sheeple am dum. |
| 20:10.20 | Lopeppeppy | CDECBD brainz. |
| 20:10.53 | durcyn | that second C confuses me. |
| 20:11.01 | cog|work | http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg |
| 20:11.17 | Lunessa | Always trust Centauri. - Greetings Starfighter! You have been selected by the Alliance to defend the Frontier against Zuur and the Kodan Armada. |
| 20:11.41 | Lopeppeppy | Should be a D, durcyn, sorry, my fingers are numb, I can't spell. |
| 20:11.53 | durcyn | i'll allow it. this time. |
| 20:12.36 | mikma | cog|work: people are fools if they believe on news today! :) |
| 20:12.36 | Shirik | cog|work: It's very simple |
| 20:12.46 | Shirik | people believe everything they see |
| 20:12.51 | Shirik | look at all the crap on EJ that people believe |
| 20:12.57 | Maldivia | if its on the web, it MUST be true |
| 20:13.02 | Shirik | the content doesn't matter, just the source |
| 20:13.11 | cog|work | Shirik: people came up with the idea that blizzard would start their own app store long before the april fools joke |
| 20:13.30 | cog|work | i'm talking about the mental disconnect required to draw that conclusion from the new addon policy |
| 20:13.36 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "The uterus in not a clown car!" - Kamdis |
| 20:13.43 | cog|work | april fools joke is just icing on the cake |
| 20:13.48 | Lopeppeppy | giggles madly |
| 20:13.53 | cog|work | too |
| 20:14.22 | cog|work | Cairenn|afk: s/in/is/ ;) |
| 20:14.38 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "The uterus is not a clown car!" - Kamdis |
| 20:15.08 | Lopeppeppy | I sorta like "in". . . |
| 20:15.53 | cog|work | ~wtf cdedbd |
| 20:16.07 | Cairenn|afk | Antiarc: thanks :) |
| 20:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, you don't know that? |
| 20:17.11 | cog|work | nope... and google isn't helping much... |
| 20:17.37 | foxlit | "But his efforts were for naught; as his hair was a bird, he found his point to be invalid." |
| 20:17.47 | durcyn | sound it out, you know, phonetically. |
| 20:17.59 | alestane | Try pronouncing it "see dee ee-dee-bee-dee" [ducks|bees|kittehs|etc} |
| 20:18.25 | cog|work | bleh |
| 20:18.33 | cog|work | i tried that at first and still didn't get it :P |
| 20:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.52 | cog|work | yeah... got it this time |
| 20:18.59 | Lopeppeppy | Boy, sheeples are dumb! :) |
| 20:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | There's a bunch of kids books like that. And the poem I'm thinking of is "M R dux" |
| 20:20.20 | Lunessa | M R NOT Ducks |
| 20:20.51 | Lopeppeppy | M R! C D E D B D feet? |
| 20:20.57 | Lopeppeppy | O S M R, sorry. |
| 20:21.25 | Lunessa | M R Puppies. |
| 20:21.45 | Lunessa | M R 2. C M P N? |
| 20:22.18 | Shirik | I will destroy you Lopeppeppy |
| 20:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | Do you promise? :P |
| 20:22.34 | alestane | You will not. |
| 20:22.36 | Shirik | I always got mad at those books when I couldn't understand them |
| 20:22.58 | alestane | Then what would the rest of us do to handle our Peppy shortage? |
| 20:23.11 | foxlit | spawn atrificial peppies |
| 20:23.12 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy seems to want to be destroyed |
| 20:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | FOXLIT! That's heresy. |
| 20:23.38 | foxlit | in fact, we've had to in the past |
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| 20:23.44 | foxlit | Just don'te tell peppy#7 |
| 20:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | *gasp* |
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| 20:24.11 | durcyn | she's a Cylon! |
| 20:24.12 | Lopeppeppy | wanders away, crying inconsolably. |
| 20:24.21 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 20:24.43 | Lunessa | Frak? |
| 20:25.06 | foxlit | hm. |
| 20:25.25 | alestane | Um, she usually goes home around this time... |
| 20:25.34 | Maldivia | hmm, so a workprint version of the wolverine movie was leaked today |
| 20:26.53 | Maldivia | been a long time since I've heard of leaks of that "big" a movie, this far from its premiere date |
| 20:29.03 | Maldivia | either the greatest promotion stunt in a really long time, or bad luck :) |
| 20:32.34 | Maldivia | personally I'm leaning to the first |
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| 20:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://channel9.msdn.com/Link/d4130b7f-f377-424a-b3ad-444fd2a0df7e/ |
| 20:42.07 | Maldivia | heh, ok? |
| 20:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I suppose context would help |
| 20:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2009/04/01/twitterdrive-tweets-are-the-new-tcp-ip.aspx |
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| 20:43.26 | Arrowmaster | speaking as a network engineer, i seriously cringed when i saw that |
| 20:43.50 | Arrowmaster | like cold shivers down my spine |
| 20:43.52 | Kalroth | lol |
| 20:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah same |
| 20:44.48 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: the diagram is win "Internets" |
| 20:44.48 | airtonix | UnitDetailedThreatSituation(u, u.."target") : would this return proper data if 'u' was something like raid15 ? |
| 20:45.23 | Arrowmaster | "I suspect that academics will be re-writing networking books to include Twitter as the fifth and perhaps final layer on top of the TCP/IP protocol." |
| 20:45.28 | Arrowmaster | ...... |
| 20:45.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That is what I was waiting for |
| 20:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | If you weren't scared before |
| 20:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You are now! |
| 20:45.46 | NeoTron | can you imagine someone actually implementing that |
| 20:45.59 | NeoTron | like the twitter load... :P |
| 20:46.05 | Arrowmaster | you would think whoever created this would atleast fact check a little |
| 20:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://msexchangeteam.com/photos/postpictures3/images/450955/original.aspx <-- found on another MS blog |
| 20:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | well, I guess the domain gives that one way |
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| 20:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://twitter.com/danielfedrive |
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| 20:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: http://blogs.msdn.com/coding4fun/archive/2009/04/01/9525376.aspx |
| 20:50.58 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 20:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | inc someone uploading gigs of porn to twitter |
| 20:52.17 | mikma | hmmm |
| 20:52.25 | Lunessa | sbo - It's an interesting "behind the curtain" nuts & bolts look at his gag. |
| 20:52.25 | mikma | i need a reminder for my guilds raidingtimes :( |
| 20:52.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: it also actually works |
| 20:52.46 | Lunessa | I see that it does. |
| 20:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.brianpeek.com/media/p/3413.aspx |
| 20:53.52 | Lunessa | remembers, unfondly, writing decoders for usenet. |
| 20:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Terrible memory to carry with you |
| 20:54.58 | Lunessa | We wanted to call our product "File Ferret" but that got nixed by an English guy in Marketing. |
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| 20:55.18 | durcyn | File Ferret is right up there with Fruit Fucker |
| 20:56.03 | Lunessa | He nixed it because it is apparently a pass time of English youth to drop a ferret into you pants and take bets one when and where he will bit you. |
| 20:57.26 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, yup |
| 20:57.57 | Lunessa | So, we couldn't call it that. We had to go with "File Grabber" -which is about as dull and lame as you can get. |
| 20:58.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno |
| 20:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That ferret bit |
| 20:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhat of a decent analogy to downloading random crap off of usent |
| 20:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | *usenet |
| 21:00.24 | Lunessa | Yeah. We did a lot of clever matching and searching to get all parts of uuencoded files - like sending a ferret down a rabbit-hole. |
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| 21:01.57 | Kalroth | http://cmdrtaco.slashdot.org/~CmdrTaco awesome userpage he got himself! |
| 21:02.40 | kneeki | Any tips? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123603#post123603 =) |
| 21:03.14 | cog|work | kneeki: check out macaroon |
| 21:03.35 | cog|work | maul made custom action button templates that handle all that kind of stuff |
| 21:03.49 | foxlit | kneeki: detect button release |
| 21:03.51 | cog|work | from spell attributes, etc. |
| 21:04.01 | cog|work | or am i misunderstanding... |
| 21:04.03 | kneeki | hmmm |
| 21:04.09 | foxlit | Then use GetCursorInfo() |
| 21:04.17 | foxlit | but that's the drop part. |
| 21:04.59 | foxlit | Your problem, is, errr... |
| 21:05.20 | foxlit | the drag handler stealing OnClick from SecureActionButtonTemplate? |
| 21:05.39 | kneeki | I think it's <PreClick> That's stealing it |
| 21:05.51 | foxlit | PreClick can't. |
| 21:06.04 | kneeki | see, the button I've created is not a normal button, like an action bar |
| 21:06.09 | foxlit | OnClick should still fire, and that's the one that metters. |
| 21:06.18 | Corey|SchoolNow | how do i access the names of widgets in lua, from my xml file |
| 21:06.21 | nevcairiel | Why don't you use OnDragStart like any other button? :) |
| 21:06.30 | Corey|SchoolNow | i'm trying to do an "if buttonname == xxxxxx" |
| 21:06.36 | cog|work | what nevcairiel said |
| 21:06.39 | kneeki | hmm |
| 21:06.41 | kneeki | I'll try that |
| 21:06.48 | kneeki | Corey|School: Just like you said |
| 21:06.50 | foxlit | Corey: they are global. |
| 21:06.53 | nevcairiel | In OnDragStart just call PickupSpell and all is good |
| 21:06.59 | kneeki | _G["name"] |
| 21:06.59 | foxlit | So name="FooThing" becomes FooThing in Lua |
| 21:07.00 | Thunder_Child | hmm...someone put Neverwinter Nights in the list of MMORPGs |
| 21:07.17 | nevcairiel | and btw, use InCombatLockdown() instead of UnitAffectingCombat, its more accurate regarding the lockdown :) |
| 21:07.32 | foxlit | (and the drag handler doesn't steal OnClick) |
| 21:07.39 | Corey|SchoolNow | ok, so if my buttonname was in theory called "$parent_buttonhello", i could reference it using == $button_hello in the lua file/ |
| 21:07.44 | Corey|SchoolNow | err |
| 21:07.44 | kneeki | Oh? i'll do that. thanks |
| 21:07.50 | Corey|SchoolNow | $parent_buttonhello in the lua file i mean |
| 21:08.00 | foxlit | No |
| 21:08.02 | nevcairiel | aaand, if you're really cool, you use the new restricted environment to do in-combat-dragging :D |
| 21:08.08 | nevcairiel | but thats probably too much right now :) |
| 21:08.10 | foxlit | $parent gets substituted for the name of the parent element in XML |
| 21:08.12 | kneeki | Corey|School: No |
| 21:08.12 | Corey|SchoolNow | manually type in the parent's name? |
| 21:08.18 | kneeki | yeah |
| 21:08.19 | Corey|SchoolNow | k |
| 21:08.29 | foxlit | So if you had <Frame name="foo"><Frames><Frame name="$parentBar">, your name in Lua would be fooBar |
| 21:08.31 | Corey|SchoolNow | (i'm at school with no testing environment or i'd have not asked that) :P |
| 21:08.40 | Corey|SchoolNow | alright |
| 21:08.42 | Corey|SchoolNow | perfect |
| 21:08.43 | Corey|SchoolNow | thanks |
| 21:08.46 | kneeki | Well, using "OnDragStart" worked fine, but the spell is cast along with being picked up on the cursor |
| 21:09.06 | nevcairiel | kneeki: don't register for *Down keypresses, use *Up |
| 21:09.45 | nevcairiel | If you use Down, that will always happen |
| 21:09.46 | kneeki | I didn't register any down keypress |
| 21:10.01 | foxlit | (that's a drag) |
| 21:10.20 | kneeki | I'm using: button:SetAttribute("type", "spell"); button:SetAttribute("spell", theSpell) |
| 21:10.25 | foxlit | But what you're saying is that the button works as you expect if you don't include the PreClick handler, and fails to cast a spell if you do? |
| 21:10.31 | nevcairiel | well then change it! :) call button:RegisterForClicks("AnyUp") |
| 21:11.01 | kneeki | foxlit: exactly |
| 21:11.08 | nevcairiel | I think buttons register for LeftDown by default |
| 21:11.09 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 21:11.11 | kneeki | nevcairiel: That worked perfectly! |
| 21:11.28 | kneeki | hooray |
| 21:11.33 | kneeki | that bug has been bugging me for weeks |
| 21:11.44 | kneeki | thx all |
| 21:11.46 | foxlit | I don't see how :/ |
| 21:12.13 | foxlit | If registration for clicks was an issue, it should've failed both with and without preclick. |
| 21:12.35 | nevcairiel | Buttons register for LeftButtonDown by default |
| 21:12.41 | nevcairiel | so he did get clicks |
| 21:12.49 | foxlit | so it should've worked? |
| 21:12.55 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123606#post123606 <- the final code |
| 21:13.10 | nevcairiel | Except that clicking on a button for dragging will also fire OnClick |
| 21:13.13 | nevcairiel | which you probably don#t want |
| 21:13.20 | kneeki | Yeah, I didn't want that |
| 21:13.22 | nevcairiel | so you register for Up |
| 21:13.27 | nevcairiel | instead of Down :) |
| 21:13.37 | foxlit | None of this would break spell casting. |
| 21:13.45 | foxlit | Hence the apparent mystery. |
| 21:14.16 | nevcairiel | I didn't really think about the problem that much, i just pointed out whats wrong :) |
| 21:14.30 | kneeki | Well, that was a good method |
| 21:14.33 | kneeki | lol |
| 21:15.15 | nevcairiel | I've been doing too many actionbar shit lately |
| 21:15.36 | nevcairiel | s/many/much/ |
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| 21:16.34 | nevcairiel | btw, the way you're doing it, you don't need SecureHandlerDragTemplate, unless you have more plans for it that we didn't see yet |
| 21:17.00 | foxlit | ah |
| 21:17.02 | foxlit | I wonder |
| 21:17.02 | kneeki | nevcairiel: I didn't show you all the code, to avoid spam |
| 21:17.17 | kneeki | I actually created my own template, that inherited those two things |
| 21:17.49 | foxlit | kneeki: you can actually pickup things securely |
| 21:18.02 | foxlit | (which is what SecureHandlerDragTemplate is for) |
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| 21:18.15 | nevcairiel | You can do it with :WrapScript too |
| 21:18.17 | kneeki | foxlit: I thought so as well, but I've had no luck with that |
| 21:18.33 | foxlit | nevcairiel: Pickup* family is within the restricted environment? |
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| 21:19.04 | nevcairiel | foxlit: not exactly, but if you WrapScript the Drag scripts, you can tell it to pickup stuff |
| 21:19.39 | foxlit | nevcairiel: so from insecure code, then? |
| 21:19.53 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:20.20 | nevcairiel | :WrapScript is a function to wrap a secure thign around an already existing script, you get a pre-func and a post-func |
| 21:20.22 | foxlit | I see my last two questions as mutually exclusive. A negative answer to both is incoherent. |
| 21:20.50 | nevcairiel | If your pre-func returns some specific values, the secure code will call Pickup* |
| 21:20.51 | foxlit | kneeki: button:SetAttribute("_ondragstart", "return 'spell', self:GetAttribute('spell');"); should do the trick |
| 21:20.54 | nevcairiel | but you have no direct access |
| 21:21.32 | nevcairiel | Its the same as using the Drag template |
| 21:21.35 | foxlit | ah, the wrapper has logic. |
| 21:21.36 | nevcairiel | except that you don#t |
| 21:21.39 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 21:22.12 | kneeki | foxlit: So, that one line could replace my entire "OnDragStart" ? |
| 21:22.18 | foxlit | yes. |
| 21:22.22 | nevcairiel | http://ace.pastey.net/111406 |
| 21:22.31 | nevcairiel | thats what i use for bartender |
| 21:23.12 | kneeki | Wow... |
| 21:23.13 | nevcairiel | I suppose i could use the drag template instead |
| 21:23.16 | kneeki | That worked jsut fine =p |
| 21:23.35 | foxlit | You probably should: fewer hooks. |
| 21:24.05 | kneeki | It worked in combat as well |
| 21:24.08 | kneeki | neat |
| 21:24.11 | nevcairiel | except that i do use the insecure part of the script as well |
| 21:24.20 | nevcairiel | to initiate updates if icon etc |
| 21:24.25 | nevcairiel | *of |
| 21:25.09 | nevcairiel | Oh well, not like people drag stuff around every other frame and would notice a performance hit of a bunch of hooks =P |
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| 21:26.55 | Kirov | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html - I saw the Azeroth's Best Dance Crew stuff posted here earlier. Did people see this one though? http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/mount-p1mpage.html |
| 21:27.15 | Kirov | http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/underdev/p1mpage/battlecat.png |
| 21:27.49 | airtonix | more april fools stuff? |
| 21:28.01 | foxlit | eu one went up earlier |
| 21:28.02 | airtonix | stuff is ludricous |
| 21:28.15 | cog|work | ^ answered your question there imo :P |
| 21:32.43 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8&feature=related |
| 21:34.13 | cog|work | i'm not clicking on any youtube links until tomorrow |
| 21:34.19 | Shirik | You should |
| 21:34.22 | Shirik | it's hilarious |
| 21:34.29 | Shirik | And has nothing to do with April 1, I promise |
| 21:34.36 | cog|work | hilarious like rick astley's singing? |
| 21:34.46 | cog|work | /tinfoilhat |
| 21:35.20 | Shirik | no |
| 21:35.22 | Shirik | I don't rickroll |
| 21:35.26 | Shirik | I don't understand it |
| 21:35.38 | Shirik | Like, what's so funny about making people randomly click on a rick astley video |
| 21:35.49 | cog|work | rofl |
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| 21:37.24 | foxlit | needed bot functionality: grab title of youtube video by url |
| 21:38.07 | nevcairiel | Some channels have an automated bot reply with the title of any url linked, that was kinda neat |
| 21:38.15 | nevcairiel | at least i thought so :P |
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| 21:39.19 | cog|work | god damnit... just the threat of being rickrolled got that song stuck in my head |
| 21:39.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah a few channels im in have that, along with tinyurl |
| 21:39.53 | Thunder_Child | fail cog|work |
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| 21:42.49 | Kalroth | We're no strangrs to love |
| 21:42.55 | Kalroth | You know the rules and so do I |
| 21:43.00 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&flip=1 |
| 21:43.06 | cog|work | NO U! |
| 21:43.09 | cog|work | hides |
| 21:43.24 | Thunder_Child | it's amusing |
| 21:43.25 | nevcairiel | wtf, its upside down o.O |
| 21:43.26 | Thunder_Child | though |
| 21:43.28 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 21:43.34 | Kalroth | man nev |
| 21:43.49 | Kalroth | you didn't catch on the youtube 1st april? :p |
| 21:43.50 | Shirik | nevcairiel: &flip=1 |
| 21:43.50 | Thunder_Child | add '&flip=1' to the end of any youtube vid |
| 21:43.59 | Kalroth | (or click the blue box on the right) |
| 21:44.09 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: I'm not really that much on youtube to notice .P |
| 21:44.50 | Kalroth | neither am I, but at least 40 people have linked me a video going "LOLZ IT R UPSIDE UP LOL" |
| 21:45.17 | nevcairiel | i don't talk to people that write like that |
| 21:45.18 | nevcairiel | ever |
| 21:45.34 | Thunder_Child | haha, http://www.thinkgeek.com/edm/20090401.shtml -> "Squeez Bacon - Quite Possibly The World's Most Perfect Food" |
| 21:45.39 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: LOL DATS NUT TRU, UR SILY |
| 21:46.12 | Kraps | lol @ the srs forum people |
| 21:46.47 | Kalroth | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/buzzword.shtml?cpg=93H haha |
| 21:48.09 | Thunder_Child | http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html |
| 21:48.20 | Thunder_Child | ^^ needs to be real |
| 21:51.12 | Lunessa | Hey senorita, that's astute. |
| 21:52.39 | Arrowmaster | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/betamaxhd.html |
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| 21:53.42 | Arrowmaster | they have some of the old stuff back |
| 21:53.43 | Arrowmaster | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/ezbake.shtml |
| 21:54.26 | Ithato | hello all, I've got a quick question. I know I can call ChatFrame_AddMessageGroup(ChatFrameX, "GUILD") for example, but is there an equivalent for a particular channel like Trade? AddChatWindowChannel() seems like what I want but I think I'm using it wrong. |
| 21:54.52 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:55.39 | Ithato | so I can't quite join Trade in a given chatframe via Lua? |
| 21:56.12 | Arrowmaster | you would have to localize the name |
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| 21:59.07 | Ithato | Arrowmaster: so it is possible? It's just for my own benefit, on an enUS client. /run AddChatWindowChannel(1,"Trade") seemed to do nothing. |
| 21:59.59 | Arrowmaster | you should probably find how what that function takes as args instead of guessing |
| 22:00.36 | Ithato | I was looking at the big list (http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Channel_Functions) on wowwiki and that seems to be the correct usage. |
| 22:02.23 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: finally I can get it in the US. have had to import it from Sweden every time I go |
| 22:02.32 | tekkub | freaky |
| 22:02.39 | tekkub | it's snowhailthunderstorming |
| 22:02.45 | NeoTron | THE END OF THE WORLD |
| 22:02.45 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, huh? |
| 22:03.28 | NeoTron | Bacon på Burk, aka Squeez Bacon |
| 22:03.33 | NeoTron | <-- from Sweden you see |
| 22:03.34 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 22:03.41 | NeoTron | but living in the US... :) |
| 22:04.32 | Arrowmaster | Ithato: try JoinPermanentChannel("Trade", nil, 3) where 3 is the index |
| 22:05.56 | Ithato | Arrowmaster: no such luck :( |
| 22:08.17 | Thunder_Child | http://cnettv.cnet.com/2001-1_53-50005635.html |
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| 22:09.15 | foxlit | Ithato: do /leave trade |
| 22:09.38 | foxlit | Then try JoinPermanentChannel("Trade", nil, 1); |
| 22:09.54 | Ithato | foxlit: sec |
| 22:10.18 | Arrowmaster | you likely have to be in the channel already for AddChatWindowChannel(1, "Trade") to work |
| 22:10.20 | Corey|School | http://www.pastey.net/111409 - can someone take a quick look at this and tell me if i have this.name set up properly? i have a feeling i'm mixing languages here |
| 22:10.42 | Corey|School | ignore the comments right before it, my idea has changed since i put that in(taking them out now) |
| 22:10.45 | foxlit | Corey: you probably mean self:GetName() |
| 22:10.47 | Arrowmaster | and i have no clue if JoinPermanentChannel("Trade", nil, 1) will work if you are already in the channel, so you might need to call both |
| 22:10.58 | Corey|School | alright i'll try that |
| 22:10.59 | foxlit | If you want to pass the function the frame name |
| 22:11.14 | Corey|School | i want to pass the name of the widget |
| 22:11.14 | foxlit | If you want to pass a player name, you need to first set .name on the button |
| 22:11.28 | Corey|School | which in this case would be $WoWRisk_InvitePlayer2Button |
| 22:11.35 | foxlit | Okay. self:GetName() is what you're looking for. |
| 22:11.39 | Ithato | foxlit, Arrowmaster: giving that shot, one moment |
| 22:11.39 | Corey|School | alright, thanks fox |
| 22:11.52 | Arrowmaster | Corey|School: 'this' shouldnt be used |
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| 22:12.34 | Ithato | nope, still nothing. doesn't show up in that chatframes config, no join message either |
| 22:12.48 | foxlit | and you're in a city |
| 22:12.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah you better be in a city |
| 22:13.04 | Ithato | yeap. plain ol' /join Trade works fine. |
| 22:13.29 | foxlit | how about GetChannelName("Trade") ? |
| 22:14.08 | foxlit | Try /chatlist as well |
| 22:14.10 | Ithato | returns 0? |
| 22:14.31 | Ithato | chatlist does list the three normal channels however |
| 22:14.59 | Thunder_Child | "Witchaloks are the heirs of a billion-year heritage of baleful sorcerysorcery substantially more baleful than their magical contemporaries. Necromancers are, by Witchalok standards, insufficiently baleful. Defilers entertain children at Witchalok birthday parties. Liches are commonly used as a punchline in Witchalok stand-up routines. Tiamat is almost bad enoughalmost, but not quite." |
| 22:15.31 | Corey|School | http://www.pastey.net/111410 (connected to http://www.pastey.net/111409 from a minute ago) this isn't doing what i want it to and i can't seem to spot the problem |
| 22:15.57 | Corey|School | it takes in the name of a button and verifies which button is being passed |
| 22:16.21 | Corey|School | local playername is declared above the functions |
| 22:16.37 | foxlit | not really an issue if it's global |
| 22:16.41 | Corey|School | hrm |
| 22:16.53 | foxlit | Add print(buttonname) to the top of the function, see what you actually get. |
| 22:17.01 | Corey|School | i'll do that, sec |
| 22:17.34 | Corey|School | ahh i see a problem |
| 22:17.41 | Corey|School | WoWRisk_Frame_InvitePlayer2Button |
| 22:18.00 | Corey|School | i'm mixing up my damned names |
| 22:18.04 | Corey|School | thanks...again :P |
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| 22:25.40 | Lunessa | installs "YourMom!" and spams /2. |
| 22:34.48 | Dagmar | Sadness. I've actually stop complaining about the endless parade of goats I get to ride if the April 1st "Pimp My Ride" prank were true |
| 22:34.54 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4pr/20090401 |
| 22:35.36 | krka | omg the forum mod for today is awesome |
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| 22:37.16 | cog|work | krka: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16102340630&sid=1#5 imo ;) |
| 22:37.46 | cog|work | haha... it changes every time... this time it had me saying: â/me puts on his bear suitâ, he said, putting on his robe and wizard's hat. |
| 22:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | client-side javascript |
| 22:38.41 | cog|work | woot! i'm in a sig |
| 22:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I linked it earlier |
| 22:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | There are some awesome phrases in there |
| 22:39.07 | cog|work | i know |
| 22:39.17 | Thunder_Child | some are just weird as hell |
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| 22:43.46 | Thunder_Child | cant they even keep the genders straight? |
| 22:44.03 | cog|work | they try... |
| 22:44.35 | Thunder_Child | well i cant see it being that hard to replace he with she etc. |
| 22:45.56 | DWSR | was slumdog millionare any good? |
| 22:46.11 | cog|work | apparently |
| 22:46.21 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:46.29 | DWSR | has anyone in here seen it? |
| 22:46.34 | cog|work | my wife loved it |
| 22:47.05 | DWSR | that doesn't help much :P |
| 22:47.36 | cog|work | better than the fact that it won a bunch of oscars, imo :P |
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| 22:47.49 | DWSR | amen |
| 22:48.22 | Corey|School | so i thought of this genius idea just now |
| 22:48.24 | Corey|School | i call it |
| 22:48.28 | Corey|School | ninjaPRO |
| 22:48.45 | Corey|Home | it gets all the characters in the raid and removes them all and disbands the raid |
| 22:48.53 | Corey|Home | perfect for after you steal items off THAT kt run! |
| 22:49.13 | kneeki | Corey|Home: CTRaid had an option like that back in the day. |
| 22:49.17 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.26 | Corey|Home | ah |
| 22:49.33 | DWSR | Corey|Home: http://is.gd/bAke |
| 22:50.20 | Corey|Home | FINE |
| 22:50.24 | Rottenpotato | never changing again |
| 22:50.33 | tekkub | thank you DWSR |
| 22:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man |
| 22:50.42 | DWSR | welcome tekkub |
| 22:50.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I just caught my friend downloading hillary duff |
| 22:50.51 | tekkub | it's simple, if you're "away", close IRC, sleep your computer, whatever |
| 22:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | In flac none the less |
| 22:51.10 | Rottenpotato | if i log in with |whereiam again, it'll be from school - i'll change it when i log that computer |
| 22:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | He shall never hear the end of this |
| 22:51.31 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:51.36 | DWSR | I just use a BNC |
| 22:51.45 | DWSR | [] if I'm not here, nothing if I'm here |
| 22:51.55 | DWSR | tbh, I could change it to just keep my nick, but the [] prevent highlights. |
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| 22:53.47 | DWSR | anyone here play on US-Nazjatar? |
| 22:56.35 | Rottenpotato | us-mal'ganis |
| 22:56.53 | Dagmar | You know AngryLemming? |
| 22:57.16 | Rottenpotato | nope |
| 22:57.18 | Rottenpotato | alliance i'm assuming? |
| 22:57.28 | Dagmar | No, he's Horde |
| 22:57.33 | Rottenpotato | ah, never heard of him |
| 22:57.50 | Rottenpotato | i've heard of fisker, opposite faction/high pvp, though i don't know if he's the samea s in this channel |
| 22:58.34 | End | fisker's char is Fiskerdin or something like that |
| 22:58.43 | Rottenpotato | ah ok |
| 22:58.51 | End | he's EU too, I think? |
| 22:58.58 | Rottenpotato | ahhh |
| 22:59.08 | End | and a notorious troll |
| 22:59.24 | foxlit | a notorious paladin, dammit! |
| 22:59.30 | DWSR | aren't all trolls paladins? :P |
| 22:59.52 | foxlit | or is it that all paladins are trolls? |
| 23:00.12 | DWSR | I think you are correct |
| 23:02.52 | Thunder_Child | "he uttered, finding only one word to sum up his feelings: SCRUMTRILESCENT." seriously....wtf |
| 23:04.42 | foxlit | "a word made up by Will Ferrell's character on SNL to describe utter perfection that, ironically, is too perfect to describe." |
| 23:04.59 | foxlit | teehee |
| 23:05.10 | foxlit | Looking at the urbandictionary page for that word, people really can't spell |
| 23:05.30 | foxlit | Like half of their adjacent words are spelling failures on this theme. |
| 23:06.10 | Lunessa | I can't spell either. |
| 23:06.47 | Dagmar | I blame NCSA for giving people a browser that shows pictures. |
| 23:06.47 | Lunessa | Apparently it is "Sexual Assault Awareness Month" - WTF? |
| 23:07.07 | Dagmar | Lunessa: It's important that you and your co-workers know how to do it properly. |
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| 23:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | var lolopt // LULZ ARE GO |
| 23:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ found in the blizzard javascript for today |
| 23:07.52 | Dagmar | s/ARE/R/ |
| 23:08.00 | ScytheBlade1 | function lulz(pos){ //The Lulz. Do it for them. |
| 23:08.00 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Apparently, this, like colon polyps and breast cancer requires a ribbon and a month of awareness campaigns. |
| 23:08.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I detect a hint of 4chan in this |
| 23:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And it scares me |
| 23:08.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: This month's ribbon is actually a bit of handy white nylon clothesline |
| 23:08.49 | Lunessa | teal. |
| 23:09.07 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: check the RP forum, it's lolcat forum, where every other forum is RP :) |
| 23:09.15 | Dagmar | They stopped bothering my department with such things after awhile. |
| 23:10.18 | Dagmar | Somehow my department managed to generate enough policy violations in the first half-hour of the day, it was either that, or hire a whole new HR team to process the paperwork |
| 23:11.07 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I just boggle at the sheer number of things people want me to be passionate about. I live in "cause overload." |
| 23:11.33 | Dagmar | This is why you irritate the HR people with "creative misunderstandings" until they stop bothering |
| 23:11.53 | Lunessa | That doesn't work when you are employed at a university. |
| 23:11.58 | Dagmar | It might. |
| 23:12.21 | Dagmar | My inquiry to HR as to whether or not my insurance covered breast exams got pretty far. |
| 23:12.24 | Lunessa | People here have tenure. They just keep going, and going, and going, and going... |
| 23:12.34 | Dagmar | I'm working at a Uni now |
| 23:13.01 | Dagmar | <-- male |
| 23:13.08 | Lunessa | I got the joke. |
| 23:13.09 | Dagmar | Took 'em a week and a half to figure that out. |
| 23:14.48 | Lunessa | I'm the guy who handles all the staff/faculty user accounts, so HR is very familiar with me. One of my jobs is eliminating computer access for people who are being 'encouraged to seek other employment.' I couldn't get away with the breast exam gag. |
| 23:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: that is somewhat awesome |
| 23:15.36 | Dagmar | Lunessa: There's always ovarian cancer month |
| 23:16.16 | Lunessa | Perhaps they'll have a Slacking Awareness Month and I can actually care about something for a change. |
| 23:16.28 | Dagmar | OOoo |
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| 23:17.01 | DWSR | We need a "Humanity's Doomed, Let's kill off the Stupid People" month |
| 23:17.58 | Arrowmaster | id support it |
| 23:19.35 | DWSR | I'm watching Discovery and there's someone that's studying the mating habits of birds. |
| 23:19.43 | DWSR | Like how they attract mates. |
| 23:19.44 | Dagmar | Perverts |
| 23:20.01 | DWSR | Basically, I'm thinking "Who gives a shit? End world hunger." |
| 23:20.49 | cog|work | DWSR: how many people in third world countries were employed in order to bring you that discovery channel special? |
| 23:21.00 | cog|work | e.g. factories making the tech for cameras |
| 23:21.14 | DWSR | cog|work: Probably not that many. |
| 23:21.17 | DWSR | Automation. |
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| 23:32.54 | Rottenpotato | http://norganna.pastey.net/111417 |
| 23:33.03 | Rottenpotato | can someone take a quick gander at this |
| 23:33.13 | Rottenpotato | i'm setting offsets of the frame at the same y positioning |
| 23:33.24 | Rottenpotato | for different widget types (button & editbox) |
| 23:33.28 | Rottenpotato | and they're not lining up for some reason |
| 23:33.51 | Rottenpotato | i highlighted the lines of the two i'm trying to line up |
| 23:42.14 | mikma | that's wow addon coding |
| 23:42.21 | mikma | nothing works the way it should :D |
| 23:42.56 | Rottenpotato | haha |
| 23:42.56 | Rottenpotato | ok |
| 23:43.02 | Rottenpotato | i'll just fiddle pixel by pixel i guess :P |
| 23:43.38 | Syzgyn | wtf http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12963-dummy.html |
| 23:43.41 | Thunder_Child | look at another addon? |
| 23:44.20 | Arrowmaster | pixel by pixel doesnt exist in wow |
| 23:44.30 | Jamash | virtual pixel by virtual pixel |
| 23:44.33 | Arrowmaster | due to rounding errors |
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| 23:46.25 | mikma | yeah, try lining up actionbuttons to frames |
| 23:46.26 | mikma | pffff |
| 23:46.37 | Jamash | that reminds me, I was fixing up the blizzard EditingUI |
| 23:46.55 | Rottenpotato | so apparently |
| 23:47.14 | Rottenpotato | -75 button pixels are equal to -88 editbox pixels |
| 23:47.29 | Jamash | the editbox probably has an invisible border area |
| 23:47.37 | Rottenpotato | oh, maybe |
| 23:47.47 | mikma | just like actionbuttons |
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| 23:48.15 | mikma | set them in a spot -> whoop, the texture at the edge goes over the place you set it.. |
| 23:50.51 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: widgets have insets, the default value of which may vary from widget type to widget type |
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| 23:51.34 | Rottenpotato | ah ok, thanks lego |
| 23:51.47 | Rottenpotato | so a friend in-game messages me - "HOW LONG UNTIL RISK IS DONE!?" |
| 23:51.54 | Rottenpotato | and i say, "oh i don't know, about two months" |
| 23:51.57 | mikma | what's that |
| 23:51.59 | Rottenpotato | and he replies with "WTF" |
| 23:52.10 | Rottenpotato | and then i told him to go learn french and write a novel |
| 23:52.12 | Rottenpotato | and get back to me |
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| 23:58.50 | NeoTron | best minimum recruitment requirement we've every added: Exalted Son's of Hodir shoulder enchants (if you're not an inscriptionist) |
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| 23:59.09 | Rottenpotato | that sucks |
| 23:59.24 | Rottenpotato | there are really, really good players who will never grind that rep |
| 23:59.48 | Rottenpotato | granted there are a lot of really, really bad players who also won't |
| 23:59.54 | Rottenpotato | i guess the requirement is still in your favour :P |
