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| 00:07.50 | kmcguire | Lua says, function or expression too complex, ha. |
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| 00:12.09 | Shirik | You know, I like PvP servers |
| 00:12.22 | Shirik | in STV, it helps break up the grind by telling you when it's time to go to mcdonalds |
| 00:13.37 | tekkub | the trick to STV is to do it in like 3 chunks |
| 00:13.42 | mikma | shirik: haha |
| 00:13.57 | tekkub | also, mcd's == blarf |
| 00:14.03 | Wobin | The head, torso and legs |
| 00:14.18 | Thunder_Child | the tric to doing STV is to go somewhere else |
| 00:14.22 | Thunder_Child | trick* |
| 00:15.02 | selckin | the trick is to be raiding and not rerolling |
| 00:16.37 | mikma | rickrolling |
| 00:17.26 | selckin | ceilingcat is not amused |
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| 00:30.56 | Thrae | copystring: pong |
| 00:36.25 | copystring | Thrae, can i query you? |
| 00:36.37 | Thrae | copystring: Sure... |
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| 00:51.13 | kmcguire | Ok, I got around the expression to complex problem. The ultimate lua serializer, lol, http://pastebin.com/f5d90caa6. |
| 00:52.20 | Arrowmaster | how does it compare to AceSerializer-3.0? |
| 00:53.08 | Arrowmaster | and i see table.getn() usage! bad! |
| 00:53.25 | kmcguire | I am using a older version of lua. Can not use #. |
| 00:53.39 | Arrowmaster | oh 5.0? |
| 00:53.42 | kmcguire | I _guess_ that is what is wrong, lol. Have not looked really close. |
| 00:53.44 | Arrowmaster | coding for RoM or something? |
| 00:53.57 | kmcguire | It is stand-alone. Coding in C++. |
| 00:54.07 | kmcguire | No MFC or anything. Just pure Win32 and OpenGL. |
| 00:54.19 | Arrowmaster | why would you use an older version of lua then? |
| 00:54.39 | kmcguire | I dunno. Someone had packaged up a MSVC project that would build LUA. So I grabbed it. |
| 00:54.40 | krka | kmcguire: No reason to yell the name of the language. :-P |
| 00:54.44 | foxlit | kmcguire: and you still only support string/number keys |
| 00:55.10 | kmcguire | Yeah, I only needed the string and number keys. I know, not the ultimate. I spoke too early, lol. |
| 00:55.22 | kmcguire | I wonder how it does compare to the ace serializer. |
| 00:55.46 | Arrowmaster | kmcguire: get wowlua, i think its got the vsproj or whatever the fuck file it is for MSVC to compile shit |
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| 00:57.26 | kmcguire | Oh, ace3 serializer is placing it into a binary format, right? |
| 00:58.11 | kmcguire | Yeah, I forgot this is WOW ui dev. |
| 00:58.49 | Shirik | ok, completely random question |
| 00:59.02 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/13948/shavedpussy.jpg |
| 00:59.13 | Shirik | Is there a good reason the C designers came up with "void function(void)" instead of "void function()" ? |
| 00:59.14 | Corrodias | hhhhhhhhhhhah. |
| 00:59.14 | Thunder_Child | if thtas a cat... |
| 00:59.32 | Thunder_Child | i hate you mikma |
| 00:59.45 | mikma | join the club |
| 01:00.13 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 01:00.17 | Thunder_Child | i hate your club |
| 01:01.23 | Industrial | I club you mikma |
| 01:01.24 | Industrial | HATE |
| 01:01.45 | Industrial | see what I did there |
| 01:01.51 | mikma | theeeeeere we go, i will grow more powerful because of the hate i leech from you! |
| 01:02.32 | Arrowmaster | kmcguire: no its plain ascii |
| 01:02.51 | kmcguire | Shirik: I went looking. It seems that a empty parameter list means the function can take a variable number of arguments. I am guessing this is directly related to the calling conventation which would be __cdecl which is the default for a C/C++ compiler anyway. |
| 01:03.14 | Shirik | __cdecl is a Microsoft extension |
| 01:03.27 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/11725/0b8f587dd44f93b41b3ae6603e3c88bd.jpg |
| 01:04.47 | kmcguire | Shirik: And what is your point? |
| 01:05.33 | Shirik | however it does seem that it takes a variable number of arguments |
| 01:05.45 | Shirik | but that can't be related to the calling convention |
| 01:05.58 | Shirik | because C is architecture independent |
| 01:06.10 | kmcguire | The only standard calling convetion supporting variable number of arguments is cdecl. |
| 01:06.27 | Shirik | The only Microsoft calling convention supporting variable number of arguments is cdecl |
| 01:06.32 | kmcguire | I mean, it has to be related to the calling convention. |
| 01:06.48 | kmcguire | Shirik: Its a stupid calling convention.. |
| 01:06.53 | kmcguire | It is just that, rofl. |
| 01:06.55 | Shirik | that convention cannot work on some architectures |
| 01:07.03 | kmcguire | Caller cleans up stack. =P |
| 01:07.11 | Shirik | And what if you don't have a stack? |
| 01:07.15 | kmcguire | changes it to the ccus calling convention. |
| 01:07.17 | Shirik | Or the stack is 8 bytes? |
| 01:07.24 | kmcguire | wth |
| 01:07.32 | kmcguire | Stop messing with me head. =p |
| 01:07.36 | Shirik | These are valid questions |
| 01:07.44 | Shirik | I've worked on architectures with an 8 byte stack |
| 01:07.47 | kmcguire | It is the same if the stack is 3, 6, 13, 238 bytes. |
| 01:07.48 | Shirik | I'm sorry, it was 16 bytes |
| 01:07.52 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 01:07.58 | kmcguire | Why? |
| 01:08.03 | Shirik | because if you have a 16 byte stack that means you aren't getting much on there other than the return address |
| 01:08.08 | Shirik | so how are you going to pass arguments? |
| 01:08.21 | kmcguire | Oh, I see what you are saying. |
| 01:08.43 | kmcguire | When you said 8 byte stack I though 64 bit. |
| 01:08.51 | kmcguire | Via registers I guess. |
| 01:08.59 | Shirik | no, I mean quite literally, 8 bytes |
| 01:09.29 | Shirik | actually I tend to solve the problem by allocating memory per function. Naturally this makes it non-reentrant so unsuitable for recursive functions, but for many cases that's ok |
| 01:09.41 | Shirik | You don't get much recursion when you can only go 8 deep, total |
| 01:09.50 | kmcguire | Well, but the __fastcall does not support a vairable number of arguments does it? |
| 01:09.56 | Teomyr | out of curiosity, what kind of architectures are these, shirik? |
| 01:09.59 | Shirik | PIC |
| 01:10.05 | Shirik | Again, kmcguire, a Microsoft convention |
| 01:10.17 | kmcguire | Shirik, well what do I call it? |
| 01:10.22 | Teomyr | aah |
| 01:10.24 | Shirik | it doesn't have to have a name |
| 01:10.26 | Shirik | it's just "how it's done" |
| 01:10.32 | Shirik | Most compilers don't even let you choose the calling convention |
| 01:10.36 | Shirik | it just picks the right one for the architecture |
| 01:10.43 | kmcguire | I use those terms because people can understand what I am talking about. |
| 01:10.49 | kmcguire | DWORD =p |
| 01:11.09 | kmcguire | Shirik, well it is still a calling convention right? |
| 01:11.13 | Shirik | it is |
| 01:11.16 | Shirik | it doesn't have to have a name |
| 01:11.23 | Shirik | it might have a name |
| 01:11.37 | Shirik | Hell, the one I used for PIC could be callled the Shirik Calling Convention |
| 01:11.40 | Shirik | scccall |
| 01:11.41 | Shirik | I like that |
| 01:11.57 | Shirik | I'm sure I'm not the only one who came up with that method |
| 01:11.58 | kmcguire | Yeah, just #define __fastcall scccall |
| 01:12.08 | Shirik | except I don't do "fastcall" type convention |
| 01:12.12 | Shirik | fastcall uses registers, then stack |
| 01:12.14 | Shirik | I use memory |
| 01:12.24 | Shirik | well "memory" is debatable |
| 01:12.32 | kmcguire | Shirik, where does the pointer to this memory region get passed at? |
| 01:12.41 | Shirik | It's not quite like that |
| 01:12.45 | kmcguire | Well, how is it? |
| 01:12.54 | Shirik | You have memory reserved specifically for the function |
| 01:13.04 | Shirik | above the code for the entry point |
| 01:13.10 | kmcguire | Ah, neato. |
| 01:13.17 | kmcguire | I never thought about that before. |
| 01:13.29 | Vonhinten | the point being? |
| 01:13.47 | Shirik | huh? |
| 01:14.04 | Vonhinten | There a good reason why you're dicking with calling conventions and rolling your own? |
| 01:14.12 | Shirik | because it's the only way to do it? |
| 01:14.12 | kmcguire | That declaring your argument list as () must change the default calling convetion to handle a variable number of arguments if not specified for the function? |
| 01:14.21 | Shirik | kmcguire: That's up to the compiler |
| 01:14.33 | kmcguire | Shrik: That was your question, lol. It was right? |
| 01:14.40 | Shirik | for all you know, the compiler could use the same calling convention for all calls :) |
| 01:14.48 | Shirik | However, the () does indeed make it a vararg function |
| 01:14.52 | kmcguire | It normally does use the same calling convetion. |
| 01:14.54 | Shirik | which I didn't realize |
| 01:15.07 | Shirik | C++ is better |
| 01:15.34 | kmcguire | What if you specify it as __stdcall () or something? Does it generate a warning? I have never tried. |
| 01:15.55 | Shirik | Vonhinten: I still don't undersatnd your question |
| 01:16.05 | kmcguire | You answered it Shirik. |
| 01:16.06 | Vonhinten | I must have missed the reason you're doing this |
| 01:16.20 | mikma | cairenn: http://media.fukung.net/images/13070/c99559a0b3ddc338a19f6363fa541fd8.jpg , yeah, old, i know :) |
| 01:16.27 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:16.41 | Cairenn | yes, yes they will |
| 01:17.12 | Lukian | that should be a fortune cooki |
| 01:17.32 | kmcguire | Shirik, but thank you for brining that to my attention. I have wondered that sometimes. I usually used (void) in C just because it looked good, but now I know why. |
| 01:19.06 | Shirik | visual studio doesn't seem to generate a warning |
| 01:19.11 | Shirik | even if I do "int __stdcall foo(...)" |
| 01:19.39 | Shirik | It must silently revert to cdecl |
| 01:19.45 | kmcguire | Arrowmaster: I am a idiot. I saw the escape codes and figured they were for some cryptic characters. Hmm, that is neato. |
| 01:20.12 | kmcguire | Shirik: Ah, thanks for trying it. So I know in the future what it does. |
| 01:20.23 | Vonhinten | I would be highly suspicious of it silently doing the opposite of what you asked |
| 01:21.12 | kmcguire | Shirik: Run it and drop to assembly and see if the caller cleans up the stack. |
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| 01:21.37 | kmcguire | Shirik: Oh nevermind. You know it went to cdecl. |
| 01:21.43 | Shirik | it has to |
| 01:21.50 | Shirik | there is no possible way for the callee to clean the stack |
| 01:21.57 | Shirik | safely |
| 01:22.16 | Vonhinten | is that (...) literal? |
| 01:22.16 | Shirik | the only other way is to make it a naked function and do it yourself |
| 01:22.20 | Shirik | yes Vonhinten |
| 01:22.34 | Vonhinten | I wasn't aware (...) was valid in C |
| 01:22.39 | Shirik | I was using a C++ compiler |
| 01:22.55 | Shirik | The same problem is presented |
| 01:24.34 | Shirik | Vonhinten: To directly answer your question, nothing is being "solved" here |
| 01:24.49 | Shirik | in particular, I just wanted to know why, in C, void foo(void) existed |
| 01:24.55 | kmcguire | Shirik: Do you know where the virtual table is for a class with virtual members? |
| 01:24.56 | Shirik | as opposed to void foo() |
| 01:25.04 | Shirik | that's also up to the compiler, kmcguire |
| 01:25.12 | kmcguire | Well, MSVC and G++. |
| 01:25.14 | Shirik | The C++ standard does not define HOW to do things, only WHAT to do |
| 01:25.30 | kmcguire | The ABI for the X86. |
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| 01:25.48 | Shirik | I believe they put it right at the top of the class. I can't be certain though |
| 01:25.54 | kmcguire | Yeah, they do. |
| 01:26.21 | kmcguire | Some neat stuff you can do with it. I forgot what I once tried to do. Some crazy things. |
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| 01:30.03 | kmcguire | Anyway, Shirik. There is a difference between knowledge and application. ;) |
| 01:30.33 | kmcguire | I just happen to have a hell of a lot of application, and a undeterminable amount of knowledge. |
| 01:31.21 | Shirik | heh kmcguire |
| 01:32.11 | kmcguire | You forgot the 'e' after 'heh'. |
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| 01:41.29 | Kraps | the armory is working for me now /sigh |
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| 01:44.43 | Ackis | will running apps over a gigabit ethernet connection be slower than on local HD? (aka wow? |
| 01:45.06 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 01:45.10 | Vonhinten | yes? |
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| 01:45.33 | Ackis | well that sucks donkey dink eh? |
| 01:45.48 | Ackis | I bought a network storage device today and 2x1TB drives |
| 01:46.53 | Kraps | the addition of strength to imp zerker stance is good/bad |
| 01:46.54 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.10 | Kraps | (i know, PTR and all that) |
| 01:47.22 | Vonhinten | From my perspective (a rogue), it's a good thing |
| 01:47.32 | Vonhinten | Now warriors can go after plate, instead of my shit |
| 01:47.36 | Vonhinten | like they should be |
| 01:48.36 | Kraps | true, but people say that the only reason they wont after your shit is because of itemization |
| 01:48.48 | Kraps | went* |
| 01:52.21 | Kraps | would any of you want GC's job? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864310217&sid=1&pageNo=11#212 |
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| 01:54.08 | Vonhinten | I'm amazed that guy has time to do any design work with the frequency he responds, and how verbose he is |
| 01:54.20 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: use it for *storage* then, not to play wow off of it :D |
| 01:54.43 | Kraps | "If we instigated another Silithus-style rep grind where you needed to kill 10,000 Tuskarr but we rewarded ilevel 232 for doing so, I promise you (and I rarely promise) that thousands of players would be doing it, cursing us all the while. " |
| 01:54.51 | Kraps | rofl |
| 01:55.01 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: but I wanted to be special :( |
| 01:55.50 | Ackis | fyi I hate my guild still =/ |
| 01:56.09 | Kraps | Ackis: /gquit? |
| 01:56.10 | Ackis | methinks it might just be that wow sucks? |
| 01:56.36 | Ackis | nah gonna see if i get an invite next week to immortal run considering I blew it up last week |
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| 01:57.19 | Kraps | may i ask why you dont like your guild? |
| 01:57.32 | Ackis | I think it's more that I don't like wow anymore |
| 01:57.42 | Ackis | my played at 80 is 15 days, 20 hours only |
| 01:58.36 | Kraps | and? |
| 02:00.18 | Ackis | just saying I went from playing wow all the time to hating the game |
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| 02:00.55 | Kraps | why? |
| 02:01.54 | mikma | meh, i got several characters to lvl80 and i still start new ones |
| 02:02.12 | Cairenn | if anyone is bored and wants to play with something (warning, may not be safe) |
| 02:02.12 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 21:59:01) Kaelten: ugh, someone linked this too me http://www.wow-base.com/ |
| 02:02.13 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 21:59:11) Cairenn: do I really want to click that link? |
| 02:02.13 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 21:59:27) Kaelten: probably not, I think it's way old too |
| 02:02.13 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:00:22) Kaelten: ugh... wtf, it links people to download http://www.wowpowerleveling70.com/wowfreedownload-323554352135342/wowui4833940538929212323.exe |
| 02:02.14 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:00:30) Cairenn: what is that? |
| 02:02.16 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:00:33) Kaelten: while it looks like they should be grabbing mods |
| 02:02.18 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:00:36) Kaelten: not sure |
| 02:02.20 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:00:56) Cairenn: not running that, that's for sure |
| 02:02.22 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:01:00) Cairenn: where's this all coming up? |
| 02:02.24 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:01:02) Kaelten: indeed |
| 02:02.26 | Cairenn | (2009-03-28 22:01:13) Kaelten: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=271285#post271285 |
| 02:02.29 | Cairenn | points ScytheBlade1 and Antiarc at it |
| 02:02.55 | Antiarc | Snagging a copy for analysis |
| 02:03.00 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 02:03.01 | Kaelten | yeah looks to be all way out of date info too |
| 02:03.01 | Antiarc | But it's my birthday and I'm going out to eat :D |
| 02:03.07 | Kaelten | happy birthday man! |
| 02:03.07 | Cairenn | figured you guys would want to play with it |
| 02:03.13 | Cairenn | happy birthday! |
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| 02:03.28 | Kaelten | lmao |
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| 02:03.41 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 02:03.49 | mikma | owned |
| 02:03.53 | mikma | badly |
| 02:03.59 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik <3 |
| 02:04.07 | Kaelten | Shirik: for your next challenge troll fisker |
| 02:04.08 | Shirik | <3 |
| 02:04.11 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: all the best :) |
| 02:04.15 | Shirik | eh, I kicked him earlier this week |
| 02:04.19 | Cairenn | making me laugh always gets you bonus points :) |
| 02:04.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 02:04.52 | Thunder_Child | anyone have a list of wow console commands? |
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| 02:06.31 | Arrowmaster | i only know of reloadui, glrestart (or is it gxrestart) and the rest are just setting cvars |
| 02:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: it's on the wiki |
| 02:07.22 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Just turn on the console |
| 02:07.25 | Shirik | That's what I do |
| 02:07.29 | Shirik | turn on the console and type help |
| 02:07.36 | Shirik | you probably also want "consolelines 30" |
| 02:07.47 | ScytheBlade1 | (-console on the shortcut, and then hit ~ in game) |
| 02:07.54 | Ackis | Kraps: I dunno... naxx wasn't "new" to me, I did it at 60 so it's recycled content == boring |
| 02:08.16 | Thunder_Child | you didnt read my question did you ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I totally did |
| 02:08.44 | Thunder_Child | what was that second comment for then? |
| 02:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | My ability to think is pretty darn impared atm actually |
| 02:09.02 | Thunder_Child | oh, you are excuse then |
| 02:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I had entrely lost track of the conversation inbetween what I initially said and what Shirik said |
| 02:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 02:09.19 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:09.19 | Arrowmaster | i didnt do naxx at 60 but it was still boring |
| 02:09.27 | Arrowmaster | the instance is a fucking joke |
| 02:09.57 | Syzgyn | Ulduar looks good at lease |
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| 02:10.22 | Shirik | Can anyone come up with a good reason a mage might be asked "Are you dps?" |
| 02:10.34 | Ackis | they make water? |
| 02:11.15 | mikma | shirik: dps, water, and portal-spec |
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| 02:11.37 | Kraps | lol |
| 02:12.11 | Kraps | think portal-spec would be cool |
| 02:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: funny story... |
| 02:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: back pre-BC I was the mage class lead in a rather casual guild. The GM had his wife in guild, and she was a mage. This put me in a unique position |
| 02:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly because it was the GMs policy that any CL had absolute reign over their class no questions asked, over EVERYTHING |
| 02:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | She being the exception |
| 02:13.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Said that she, quote, "did not want to be an aggro whore" and hence refused to spec for DPS |
| 02:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Now, how exactly she accomplished this I am still not sure |
| 02:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | But I can assure you she was successful in doing just that |
| 02:14.29 | mikma | well simple |
| 02:14.41 | mikma | frost, crowd control, low dps(?) |
| 02:14.50 | ScytheBlade1 | This was in MC/BWL |
| 02:14.54 | Kraps | put points into all 3 trees equally? |
| 02:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Frost was -the- place to be |
| 02:15.07 | mikma | fire, high burst, fast manadrain |
| 02:15.19 | mikma | arcane, raid-dps, l2play ... |
| 02:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | (I actually ran fire from start to end, from MC to BWL to AQ40 and came in consistently at #2 raid-wide DPS next to my rogue friend) |
| 02:15.51 | Arrowmaster | ah the good old days of pre-BC raiding as a horde warlock, i used to tank MC trash as MD/Ruin with an imp out |
| 02:16.03 | Kraps | arcane is the -thing- now right? |
| 02:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | For PvP, maybe. PvE is dominated by fire/frostfire. |
| 02:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Some arcane, not too much. |
| 02:17.42 | mikma | depends i think |
| 02:17.50 | Kraps | when is noblegarden? i dont see it in the calender |
| 02:18.12 | tekkub | when it's done |
| 02:18.33 | Kraps | ah its new? |
| 02:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ah youtube comments |
| 02:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | "and the colors dude i saw a red string i nearly wet my pants i was on the floor laughing, it's a piece of string just there but it's red!!!!" |
| 02:22.18 | Syzgyn | >_> |
| 02:26.33 | mikma | cairenn: http://media.fukung.net/images/5006/funny0297.jpg NOM NOM |
| 02:26.39 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 02:31.44 | Wobin | corgi tongue is an amazing thing =P |
| 02:32.58 | Wobin | Noblegarden is in my calender |
| 02:39.00 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/11335/46f80fc854931fb505ccd3d40ff82be7.jpg |
| 02:40.38 | Wobin | terrifying |
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| 03:33.57 | Torhal | mikma: ping |
| 03:35.06 | p3lim | is it possible to skip trash before murmur? |
| 03:35.11 | p3lim | or do they pull with him? |
| 03:35.23 | mikma | torhal: ya |
| 03:36.12 | Torhal | mikma: Regarding Nongren...any way to make it not change the DO text on mouseover? |
| 03:36.25 | Torhal | Makes it spazz out seriously on DockingStation, and probably others. |
| 03:37.17 | mikma | torhal: commenting the Nongren.text = "Ni hao!" should do the trick |
| 03:37.25 | Torhal | When it changes to "Ni hao!" it moves the plugin next to it, and my mouseover catches that, making the "Ni hao!" disappear, so the mouse catches Nongren again. Over and over and over. |
| 03:37.52 | Torhal | mikma: I know that, but I'd rather not have to resort to that every time you update...:D |
| 03:38.37 | mikma | torhal: seems like its a dockingstation bug, works perfectly on NinjaPanel =I |
| 03:39.19 | Torhal | mikma: Not a bug. It dynamically centers the center panel when its width changes. Most LDB plugins don't do what your does :P |
| 03:39.55 | mikma | torhal: yey i'm different =) |
| 03:39.55 | Torhal | But if you're unwilling to remove your "Hello" text, I'll just nuke it and hope you never upgrade. |
| 03:40.14 | mikma | i don't think i will upgrade it any time soon |
| 03:40.25 | mikma | seems to work just fine now |
| 03:40.46 | Torhal | Aye, which is why it really bothered me. If it was a POS addon, I'd just nuke it. |
| 03:40.50 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:41.00 | mikma | i dont want it to be a plain icon, alsothe text is funneh |
| 03:41.47 | Torhal | It'd be funny if it was random but same-length. Going from zero to eight freaks out :) |
| 03:42.17 | Torhal | Hell, I'd prefer if you included the UNIX fortune text into the addon itself and displayed a random one in the tooltip. |
| 03:42.32 | mikma | imho, the display addons should have a option to eliminate the texts |
| 03:42.32 | Torhal | It'd be like 20 megs to download, but would be far less annoying. |
| 03:43.01 | Torhal | mikma: I'll just STFU now. I seem to have contracted moronitis. |
| 03:43.46 | mikma | like the mercenary in "the rock" said: i hate that fortune cookie shit! ;) |
| 03:44.03 | mikma | or where was it.. oh well |
| 03:44.31 | Torhal | mikma: Ok, problem solved. This conversation never occurred, aye? :D |
| 03:44.39 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.50 | mikma | torhal: surely i can add a NongrenDBv3.stfu = true which mutes the mouseover |
| 03:45.05 | Torhal | mikma: Bloat. Your sage advice solved all ills. |
| 03:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ping |
| 03:45.16 | mikma | but that would require me to upgrade it with new exotic features! ;) |
| 03:45.25 | Torhal | mikma: Boobies? |
| 03:45.34 | Torhal | Nongren: Now with Boobies. |
| 03:45.37 | Shirik | It is really depressing I can kill lv 30 mobs at a faster average rate than I can lv 24 mobs |
| 03:45.37 | mikma | (.)(.) |
| 03:45.47 | Shirik | Spirit tap makes for some strange mechanics |
| 03:46.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen kd3 |
| 03:46.06 | purl | kd3 is currently on #wowhead #wowuidev #wowace #wowwiki, last said: '~wowalert'. |
| 03:46.07 | Torhal | Shirik: Area designers apparently didn't go to the same school. |
| 03:46.13 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:46.27 | Torhal | I've seen similar differentials throughout the game. |
| 03:46.37 | Torhal | Easier to kill a level 70 than a level 55 mob. |
| 03:46.37 | Shirik | well in this case I'm referring to the impact of spirit tap |
| 03:46.41 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 03:46.43 | Shirik | the 24 mob is grey |
| 03:46.49 | Shirik | so I have to drink like every 4th mob |
| 03:46.55 | Shirik | whereas the 30 mobs I can do about 20 |
| 03:46.58 | mikma | oh yeah |
| 03:47.11 | Torhal | Well, they may have more hps, damage absorb, whatever. |
| 03:47.15 | mikma | spirit tab wont work on mobs that dont give xp/honor |
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| 03:47.23 | mikma | tap* |
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| 03:48.22 | mikma | shirik: see my comment above |
| 03:48.28 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:48.58 | mikma | spirit tap will only proc if the mob/player gives xp/honor |
| 03:49.07 | Shirik | Yes, that was my whole point >< |
| 03:49.17 | mikma | thats not strange |
| 03:49.28 | mikma | its "working as intended" |
| 03:49.41 | Shirik | but it's sad |
| 03:49.45 | mikma | like so with ie. drain soul on warlocks =/ |
| 03:49.46 | kmcguire | Ok.. Lua was freaking too easy to build. I finally grabbed a 5.0.2 just compiled all the source files and the ones in the \lib\ into a static lib, voila. |
| 03:50.05 | mikma | imho should have a reduced effect on lowlevel mobxs |
| 03:50.27 | Shirik | why did you get 5.0.2 |
| 03:50.44 | kmcguire | haha, I dunno. It looked like the most recent. Was it not? |
| 03:50.51 | Shirik | not even close |
| 03:50.57 | mikma | ~lua |
| 03:50.58 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. Its name is derived from the Latin word "Luna" which means "moon". |
| 03:51.01 | kmcguire | damnit |
| 03:51.27 | mikma | http://www.lua.org/ftp/lua-5.1.4.tar.gz |
| 03:51.28 | kmcguire | I was wondering why luaopen_lib was still in there.. |
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| 03:52.34 | kmcguire | I was trying to fix a bug. But found out I had a concurrency issue. So, I am just going to keep 5.0.2 for now. |
| 03:52.43 | kmcguire | If it works. It works. |
| 03:52.51 | kmcguire | But, thanks Shirik. |
| 03:54.07 | ckknight | ick, kmcguire |
| 03:54.11 | ckknight | imo, you should find a way to get 5.1 working |
| 03:55.52 | Cairenn | bleeter: beaking? |
| 03:56.22 | mikma | http://www.lua.org/about.html#name |
| 03:56.24 | mikma | haha |
| 03:57.27 | Torhal | kmcguire: Get 5.1, especially if you want luac to work on your addon code. |
| 04:01.58 | kmcguire | I shall eventually, but got to keep moving. |
| 04:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, HA |
| 04:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | So a friend of mine bought mediumurl.com as a joke many years back |
| 04:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | He was going to let the domain expire and land in the hands of the evil spammers, and I refused to let that happen |
| 04:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap @ some of the stuff people create links to |
| 04:04.44 | ScytheBlade1 | There is a comcast username and password in one of these links |
| 04:06.06 | mikma | I'm in your database, browsing your links |
| 04:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I do every so often to make sure that spammers aren't abusing it |
| 04:07.03 | mikma | why dont you link us some interesting stuff then |
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| 04:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of them are either shock sites or myspace profiles |
| 04:07.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Or evidently dog breeding sites |
| 04:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 04:07.43 | mikma | i said interesting! not lame |
| 04:10.30 | mikma | i left a surprise for you in there. happy hunting |
| 04:11.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | good thing that these urls are timestamped upon submission |
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| 04:11.30 | mikma | i guessed so |
| 04:14.37 | kmcguire | Ok, I turned it into a proxy. It has some coming along mapping of sectors, and everything is done in Lua. http://f.imagehost.org/0600/twnerveproxy.png |
| 04:14.43 | Torhal | ScytheBlade1: "evidently dog breeding sites"...literally, or were you being nice? |
| 04:14.58 | Kraps | damn the first chick in vent that sounds hot |
| 04:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Literally |
| 04:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like a generic dog site actually |
| 04:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dogtime.com/dog-names-beagle-names.html |
| 04:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Pages of links to their stuff |
| 04:16.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wtf |
| 04:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://horribly, horribly, mangle it using a team of carefully trained garden gnomes |
| 04:17.46 | Shirik | http://horribly, horribly, mangle it? |
| 04:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea |
| 04:19.39 | DWSR | hey all |
| 04:20.03 | Cairenn | hi |
| 04:20.37 | DWSR | how's the WoWiverse? |
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| 04:28.45 | DWSR | god, do I kill the conversation that much? |
| 04:29.03 | Thunder_Child | we have all done it at least once |
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| 04:32.08 | DWSR | fair |
| 04:32.17 | DWSR | Any response from Blizz about UI policy? |
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| 04:41.50 | Arrowmaster | kmcguire: why not just use the CIM warp report data so you just have to load a file instead of using yet another proxy? |
| 04:43.40 | Shirik | bad Arrowmaster |
| 04:43.45 | Shirik | don't give them hints! |
| 04:44.18 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: send me cim data, all im missing to map 100% is your damn base |
| 04:44.27 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:44.37 | Shirik | why not just ZTM it? |
| 04:44.48 | Arrowmaster | ztm? |
| 04:44.53 | Shirik | omg >< |
| 04:44.57 | Shirik | zero turn mapping |
| 04:45.32 | Thunder_Child | OMG Shirik not all of us are TW's freaks like you |
| 04:45.42 | Arrowmaster | oh i did sorta but i dont think twxproxy got it |
| 04:45.43 | Shirik | It basically computes all the routes by adding "avoid" sectors until the computer determines you can't go there |
| 04:46.03 | Shirik | it is, in fact, the only real way to get the warpspec because of back doors |
| 04:47.48 | Thunder_Child | ffs...if you are going to port a game from a console put in mouse support |
| 04:48.00 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: what sector is Shirik in? |
| 04:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | his base, rather |
| 04:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | oh wait, you are not evil |
| 04:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Boooo |
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| 05:03.50 | tekkub | I think I just found the perfect desktop background |
| 05:03.53 | tekkub | http://fc47.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/074/5/c/Aperture_Science_by_schnauzer93.png |
| 05:04.20 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:04.24 | DWSR | meh. |
| 05:04.27 | DWSR | Blurriness ftl. |
| 05:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I was totally going to call you on that |
| 05:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | But was surprised with how... acceptable that may be |
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| 05:14.26 | Dewin | How does WoW tell what a file in a .toc file is? Does it solely read the extension? |
| 05:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably |
| 05:14.39 | Dewin | (If I added whatever.txt to a toc file, what would happen?) |
| 05:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It wouldn't load |
| 05:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wait I misread |
| 05:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe dunno |
| 05:15.17 | DWSR | Dewin: Try it and see? |
| 05:15.35 | Dewin | Well, I'm going to assume that it goes by extension for now. |
| 05:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It is incredibly likely |
| 05:16.00 | Dewin | I'm experimenting with the concept of something that scans your addon folder and reduces it down to the bare minimum. |
| 05:16.17 | Dewin | i.e. if two addons embed the exact same copy of an embedded lib, only try to instantiate it once |
| 05:17.15 | DWSR | Dewin: With Embedded libs, isn't it just best to leave them there? Sure, they all get loaded, but then it throws out all copies but the highest version |
| 05:17.18 | Dewin | idea being that it'd hopefully reduce load times, maybe memory, etc. |
| 05:17.30 | Dewin | They have to be compiled |
| 05:17.32 | DWSR | Shouldn't affect memory usage at all. Load times maybe. |
| 05:17.45 | Arrowmaster | it would likely break things majorly |
| 05:17.51 | DWSR | yeah, thattoo |
| 05:18.01 | Dewin | well, that's why I'm experimenting |
| 05:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | All files referenced in the .toc in every addon is loaded into RAM period, iirc |
| 05:18.08 | Arrowmaster | you should just use nolib zips |
| 05:18.15 | Dewin | The idea is.. |
| 05:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | (And referenced by XML I should add) |
| 05:18.38 | Dewin | 1. For each addon, figure out a complete list of lua and xml files they load |
| 05:18.45 | Dewin | 2. md5sum all files |
| 05:19.07 | Dewin | 3. If any md5 hash is loaded more than once, bring it into a 'library' addon that loads before all other addons and pull it out of the toc fil. |
| 05:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: keep in mind that XML can include files too. |
| 05:19.20 | Dewin | Scythe: I'm aware, I'm going to be parsing XML in addition to toc |
| 05:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 05:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Just making sure |
| 05:19.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah that is just a bad idea |
| 05:19.32 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:19.40 | Arrowmaster | just use nolib zips and standalone libraries |
| 05:19.42 | DWSR | Just use nolib zips. |
| 05:19.47 | DWSR | Less breakage |
| 05:19.59 | Dewin | Not all of my addons are easily available in nolib varieties. |
| 05:20.09 | DWSR | Where are you getting most of your addons? |
| 05:20.14 | Dewin | wowinterface |
| 05:20.36 | Dewin | And... if done right, the breakage should be minimal. |
| 05:20.39 | seebs_ | I've been told repeatedly that embedded libraries always reload the most recent version, but I've had very bad luck with them. |
| 05:20.42 | Arrowmaster | no it wont |
| 05:20.55 | Arrowmaster | you will have to walk all the addons and try to simulate the loading order |
| 05:21.27 | DWSR | Dewin: What are you running that load times are a problem for you? |
| 05:21.41 | Arrowmaster | putting them into their own addon is just as bad of an idea |
| 05:21.41 | Dewin | Arrow: I'm *assuming* that most libs can be loaded before the addon itself is |
| 05:21.58 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: yes thats why we have standalone libraries |
| 05:22.00 | Dewin | As far as the order of loading them, I can derive that from the order the addons try to load them |
| 05:22.06 | Arrowmaster | we have done this in the past, IS A BAD IDEA |
| 05:22.39 | DWSR | Dewin: Not that I'm trying to advertise for Curse, but Curse seems to make nolib versions a ton easier. |
| 05:22.44 | Dewin | It's been done in the past? When, by whom, and etc? |
| 05:22.55 | Dewin | DWSR: I'm actually starting to favor Curse updater, but I have a lot of non-curse addons. |
| 05:22.59 | Arrowmaster | wowace had a !!!Libs in the past |
| 05:23.03 | Arrowmaster | IT WAS A BAD IDEA |
| 05:23.28 | DWSR | What do the bangs do at the beginning of an addon's name? |
| 05:23.31 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: A poor implementation of a good idea does not neccessarily mean it's a poor idea. |
| 05:23.34 | DWSR | Make it first in loading order? |
| 05:23.36 | Dewin | DWSR: Addons are loaded alphabetically |
| 05:23.39 | DWSR | ah |
| 05:23.40 | Arrowmaster | no its a plain bad idea |
| 05:23.40 | Dewin | ! sorts before anything else |
| 05:23.46 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: they are not |
| 05:23.51 | Arrowmaster | its file system dependent |
| 05:24.02 | Dewin | They're not? Oh, hmm |
| 05:24.14 | DWSR | What does ! do then? |
| 05:24.21 | Dewin | ! still forces them to load first though |
| 05:24.27 | Arrowmaster | puts them first in alphabetical order |
| 05:24.29 | DWSR | ok |
| 05:24.40 | Arrowmaster | so they load first only on filesystems that return them in alphabetical order |
| 05:25.27 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: Since you were apparently around for !!!Libs, tell me what sort of problems it caused. |
| 05:25.30 | Arrowmaster | you arent going to increase your load times by very much |
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| 05:25.53 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: too many to explain, it broke all kinds of things |
| 05:26.07 | Dewin | I can imagine the problems with a lib being updated breaking addons that expected an older version of it. |
| 05:26.14 | Dewin | which is why I'm going by md5sum |
| 05:26.16 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:26.20 | Arrowmaster | thats never an issue |
| 05:26.43 | Arrowmaster | see you dont even understand how libs work at all, which makes it even more of A BAD IDEA |
| 05:29.53 | Dewin | I have a few ideas. |
| 05:30.57 | Dewin | Personally I think embedded libs were a bad idea to go back when they started being popular, just seemed a tremendous waste. |
| 05:31.32 | Dewin | the only real reason is convenience to the end user, and there's other ways to accomplish that. |
| 05:31.44 | Dewin | (wtb apt for addons) |
| 05:32.09 | Arrowmaster | all other ways are more complex than downloading a single zip file and extracting it |
| 05:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Better than the alternate option of having every addon have a dep on every lib it uses, which back with Ace2 being /the thing/ would have been a fantastic way to break scores of addons on a regular basis |
| 05:32.15 | Fisker- | hahahhahaha |
| 05:32.27 | Fisker- | http://www.starcraftwire.net/blog/comments/the-starcraft-2-beta-starts-31-march-6pm-pdt/ |
| 05:32.29 | Fisker- | DURRR |
| 05:32.30 | Fisker- | HURRR |
| 05:32.32 | Fisker- | DURR HURR |
| 05:32.34 | Fisker- | DERP DERP DERP |
| 05:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | (which is not to say that didn't happen anyway) |
| 05:33.06 | Dewin | Scythe: Works perfectly well for well-managed software repositories for, say, Linux systems ;) |
| 05:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | linux is slightly different than scores of users running the WAU every fourty seconds |
| 05:33.48 | Arrowmaster | users are stupid fucking morons that can barely grasp the concept of extracting a zip |
| 05:34.16 | Dewin | I'm talking along the lines of |
| 05:35.00 | Arrowmaster | you can not ask them to download another addon in addition to yours so yours will work |
| 05:35.00 | Dewin | "This package X requires Y >= version 1.0.6 and your version of Y is 1.0.4, update?" |
| 05:35.00 | Arrowmaster | thus embedded libs |
| 05:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | whoosh |
| 05:35.00 | Arrowmaster | that requires a program to update them |
| 05:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | on a semi-often basis with external libs |
| 05:35.13 | Arrowmaster | which we didnt have then and dont have now |
| 05:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd have addon Y that depends on version, say, >=5 |
| 05:35.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And addon X that depends on version <=3 |
| 05:35.49 | Shadowed | So the new battle.net is like Steam |
| 05:35.53 | Shadowed | basically |
| 05:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | In either case you're screwed one way or another |
| 05:36.03 | DWSR | Shadowed: Except not. |
| 05:36.09 | Shadowed | except less popular |
| 05:36.16 | Dewin | Scythe: I'm aware. Why not provide some sort of mechanism to allow them to install side-by-side |
| 05:36.28 | Arrowmaster | there is |
| 05:36.36 | Arrowmaster | its called you change the major version number |
| 05:36.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: minus the client side store, download repository, community, friends list, overlay, and demo browser, sure |
| 05:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Also what Arrowmaster said |
| 05:36.52 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:36.54 | Dewin | Then what's the problem? |
| 05:36.57 | Shadowed | global friends list, see what game friends are in |
| 05:36.59 | Shadowed | close enough |
| 05:37.02 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
| 05:37.07 | Arrowmaster | its fine as is |
| 05:37.11 | DWSR | So minus all of the features that make Steam Steam, Battle.net is Steam. |
| 05:37.17 | Shadowed | exactly |
| 05:37.20 | Shadowed | If WoW has taught me anything, it's that updating the major version is a complicated |
| 05:37.57 | Dewin | The typical solution to that is to have LibFoo, LibFoo2, LibFoo3. |
| 05:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | erm |
| 05:38.27 | Dewin | from a file locations standpoint anyways |
| 05:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That totally wouldn't work out too well with WoW |
| 05:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux can get away with it, as part of the linker uses file names |
| 05:38.44 | Shadowed | oh you're actually talking about addons |
| 05:38.46 | Shadowed | now I have to read this |
| 05:39.04 | Shadowed | 1) standalone libraries are stupid |
| 05:39.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd have to throw quite a bit more code into the addons in question to get it to properly detect such versions |
| 05:39.34 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: are not |
| 05:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind the part where you'd have to change the libs to run entirely on their own |
| 05:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Independant from... itself |
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| 05:40.04 | Dewin | Scythe: Which is as simple as generating a toc file for it |
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| 05:40.11 | DWSR | not really. |
| 05:40.17 | Arrowmaster | which we already do |
| 05:40.19 | DWSR | You about libs that depend on other libs? |
| 05:40.26 | Arrowmaster | seriously this is a pointless discussion |
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| 05:40.35 | DWSR | And then what about circular dependencies? |
| 05:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | um no, considering that addon Y has to be able to find library A somehow. |
| 05:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That is either via another API or _G |
| 05:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case it would drastically complicate things |
| 05:41.18 | DWSR | The end doesn't justify the means in this case. |
| 05:41.25 | DWSR | You speed up your load times by maybe a few seconds. |
| 05:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't get me wrong here, I'm totally for doing pointless things just because, if the result is 30 seconds longer load time or 0s load time, cool whatever |
| 05:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | But it is quite a bit more complicated |
| 05:42.28 | Dewin | I'm pretty sure my 190 addon folders would gain quite a bit more speedup then 'a few seconds' >.> |
| 05:42.39 | DWSR | Dewin: I dunno, I run over 300 addons. |
| 05:42.40 | Arrowmaster | they wont |
| 05:42.45 | DWSR | Only takes me like 60 seconds to load. |
| 05:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | So would not running 190 addons. |
| 05:42.56 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:42.58 | DWSR | Amen! |
| 05:43.04 | Dewin | well, it's closer to ~130 |
| 05:43.11 | DWSR | If you're bitching about load times, don't run so many addons |
| 05:43.16 | Dewin | but Titan and Atlas and Bigwigs and DBM have so many component folders |
| 05:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | has never, NEVER used more than 40, despite having a UI that looks and functions absolutely nothing like the stock UI |
| 05:43.47 | Dewin | The loading times don't bug me /that/ much, just enough to see if there's any way I can optimize it |
| 05:43.47 | Arrowmaster | ok im ignoring you now and going back to what i was doing, you use titan |
| 05:43.51 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: lol, I've replaced almost every frame. |
| 05:44.03 | DWSR | Dewin: You can a bit. Use Zoom |
| 05:44.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure - an SSD! |
| 05:44.27 | DWSR | Dewin: Stops garbage collection from taking place until the very end of the load process. Can actually speed up your load times quite a bit |
| 05:44.28 | Dewin | Scytheblade: I'm talking zerocost, and assuming most of the loading time is compiling and parsing XML |
| 05:44.36 | Dewin | DWSR: hmmm |
| 05:44.53 | DWSR | It just hooks the garbage collection function and just /dev/nulls it |
| 05:45.05 | DWSR | Then at the end it calls the proper func and zoom zoom |
| 05:45.10 | DWSR | Actually shaved like 40% off of my load times |
| 05:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The XML is much more lightweight than the lua once loaded, but considering how many addons use strictly lua I'd say blaming the XML is a step in the wrong direction |
| 05:45.15 | Arrowmaster | the load time is actually longer if it cant find files referenced in the toc or xml |
| 05:45.34 | Dewin | ArrowMaster: Why wouldn't it be able to find those files? |
| 05:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to load WoW fast, convince them to add a cvar to store the SavedVariables in .luac instead of pretty-printed .lua |
| 05:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That alone would drop load/reload/zone times in half or more |
| 05:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | With something like auctioneer present, probably 75%+ time cut off |
| 05:47.23 | Dewin | Scythe: IMHO, addons like Auctioneer (and even just some 'search other characters' bags) addons beg to have something like sqlite in the API |
| 05:47.39 | Dewin | It'd have to be locked down in some way to prevent communicating with the outside world, but would be nice otherwise |
| 05:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lua bytecode would argubably be faster to load, though I guess that really depends on sqlite's routines |
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| 05:48.22 | DWSR | sqlite would make exporting to websites a lot easier. |
| 05:48.22 | Dewin | Scythe: Sqlite is an embeddable SQL database. |
| 05:48.27 | DWSR | For stuff like karma or DKP |
| 05:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes I know |
| 05:48.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I have used it quite a bit |
| 05:48.32 | Dewin | you wouldn't need to load the entire db |
| 05:49.07 | Arrowmaster | yes you would |
| 05:49.12 | Fisker- | stares at ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:49.12 | Arrowmaster | thats the entire point of a sandbox |
| 05:49.14 | Dewin | and savedvariables garbage probably is the largest component of my load times tbh, especially considering the difference in load times I get on some characters vs others (I use a unified UI across all of them) |
| 05:49.39 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: *IF* there was some way to prevent modifications to it while WoW was running, no, you wouldn't need to. |
| 05:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I can pretty much guarantee you that when you run something like recount, SWS, auctioneer, SVs accounts for 50% of your load/save time at a minimum |
| 05:50.07 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5188715/the-penis-train-when-children-playgrounds-go-very-wrong |
| 05:50.10 | DWSR | SWS? |
| 05:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | SWStats |
| 05:50.32 | Zootfizzle | Would anybody interested in an optional log of addon load times? |
| 05:50.32 | Dewin | going to see how much of a difference Zoom makes. |
| 05:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: probably. Depends on the verbosity |
| 05:50.51 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, sure, never turn down information |
| 05:50.52 | Zootfizzle | makes a note... |
| 05:51.23 | Dewin | I thought there was already profiling options for that, but additional info is always good. |
| 05:51.28 | tekkub | Zootfizzle: look at my old Warmup addon for ideas ^^ |
| 05:51.33 | Zootfizzle | You |
| 05:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Profiling only applies once you are in-game really |
| 05:51.41 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 05:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hard to use on the loading screen |
| 05:51.47 | Zootfizzle | And you'd need to think to do it in the first place |
| 05:52.18 | Zootfizzle | Having something extremely obvious like "this is how you get your addon loading times" would make that more common! |
| 05:52.34 | Arrowmaster | no dont |
| 05:52.49 | Arrowmaster | you dont realize the problem of idiots with information they dont understand |
| 05:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:52.55 | DWSR | :) |
| 05:52.56 | Shadowed | yea |
| 05:52.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Got a point there |
| 05:52.58 | Zootfizzle | <_< |
| 05:53.02 | Shadowed | The problem with that is then everyones going to be like |
| 05:53.12 | Shadowed | OMG AUCTIONEER TAKES 0.00001 MORE SECONDS TO LOAD |
| 05:53.14 | Shadowed | THIS ADDON SUCKS |
| 05:53.22 | NeoTron | value > cost |
| 05:53.25 | NeoTron | so yes, it would be nice |
| 05:53.47 | tekkub | hopefully it'd give details though... time spent loading addon files, executing them, loading savedvars... |
| 05:53.49 | Shadowed | make it randomly generate the stats |
| 05:54.11 | tekkub | speaking of, Zootfizzle... why do savedvars still load AFTER the addon instead of before? |
| 05:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. A breakdown of how long it took to compile or parse each file would probably be of most use. |
| 05:54.29 | Dewin | Clearly, the solution is to add it as an undocumented cvar and let a few select people know. :-p |
| 05:54.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: never underestimate the power of strings and grep :P |
| 05:54.57 | Shadowed | randomly generated string |
| 05:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | An "undocumented cvar" is very relative :) |
| 05:55.06 | Shadowed | that you have to figure out through a complex math formula |
| 05:55.07 | tekkub | speaking of top secret cvars, we get that "don't uncheck the load outdated addons button on a patch" one? |
| 05:55.22 | Arrowmaster | documetned cvar is fine, its practically only devs that use taintlog |
| 05:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, I'd still rather forgo pretty-printed lua for the SVs in place of bytecode |
| 05:55.53 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: edit RunOnce.wtf before restarting wow? |
| 05:56.00 | Shadowed | oh god damn |
| 05:56.06 | Shadowed | Twitter wants a space between the words, took me 10 minutes to realize that |
| 05:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're really curious wtf is going on in there, lua -i Auctioneer.luac and have at it |
| 05:56.24 | tekkub | Arrowmaster: that still requires REMEMBERING every patch |
| 05:56.45 | Dewin | Scytheblade: If someone is smart enough to do strings and grep, they're likely to understand why auctioneer takes so long to load. |
| 05:56.47 | Zootfizzle | Where would it stop? |
| 05:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? @ Zoot |
| 05:57.10 | Zootfizzle | We'd have to add another something to ignore the CVar :P |
| 05:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: never underestimate the proliference of stupid |
| 05:57.37 | tekkub | NO you wouldn't Zoot |
| 05:58.01 | Dewin | ScytheBlade1: I work on software used in K-12 school systems. I frequently encounter customers who have no idea what they're doing. |
| 05:58.08 | tekkub | the cvar is for people that accept the risks of running "outdated" addons and don't like being "protected" every patch |
| 05:58.33 | tekkub | if they have issues with it on, well, it's their own damn fault |
| 05:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo, mobile authenticator available for the iPhone now |
| 05:59.10 | Dewin | If you added a cvar to disable 'disable outdated addons' |
| 05:59.43 | Dewin | give it options: never disable, disable on x.y.1 -> x.y.2, disable on x.1 -> x.2, and disable on x.0->y.0 |
| 06:00.02 | Dewin | actually, you can pretty much ignore that last option since I don't think many addons would survive going from one expansion to the next |
| 06:00.13 | tekkub | you're overcomplicating it |
| 06:00.18 | Dewin | yes, yes I am |
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| 06:01.08 | Shadowed | to be fair |
| 06:01.11 | Shadowed | the user just blindly clicks it |
| 06:01.12 | Shadowed | sees an error |
| 06:01.14 | Shadowed | whines to authors |
| 06:02.05 | Fisker- | Problem can happen regardless of the WoW version |
| 06:02.13 | Fisker- | so might as well disable it completely or not at all |
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| 06:04.09 | batrick | what happened to our huge UI policy post |
| 06:04.12 | batrick | they deleted it? |
| 06:04.18 | Shadowed | probably blew up |
| 06:04.33 | Shadowed | oh they unpinned it |
| 06:04.52 | seebs_ | Yup. |
| 06:04.55 | batrick | ya I figured blizzard would cowardly let it die away |
| 06:05.00 | seebs_ | Which is a problem, of course, because it's the only announcement in the forum. |
| 06:05.04 | Shadowed | clearly |
| 06:05.06 | seebs_ | So maybe we should have a closed sticky of the policy. |
| 06:05.12 | Shadowed | damn Blizzard and there beating kitties |
| 06:05.18 | Shadowed | and running over old ladies |
| 06:05.20 | Shadowed | shakes fist |
| 06:09.47 | Cairenn | meh, it's still on the first page |
| 06:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It likely won't drop any time soon :P |
| 06:09.58 | Fisker- | shakes Shadowed |
| 06:10.11 | Shadowed | not to mention theres still new topics popping up |
| 06:10.34 | DWSR | Still no official word though? |
| 06:10.38 | Cairenn | and it's not like it isn't elsewhere on their site - ie the official posting of it |
| 06:10.51 | Cairenn | DWSR: no, and not surprised by that, last week was GDC |
| 06:11.00 | DWSR | aye, but you never know. |
| 06:11.36 | Cairenn | oh aye, just saying I'm not surprised that there hasn't been |
| 06:11.56 | batrick | What is that super lame ability druid cats have that acts like a stun but you can't blink out of it |
| 06:12.13 | DWSR | batrick: Shapeshift (Cat)? :P |
| 06:12.22 | kmcguire | Who is TC in TW? |
| 06:12.30 | kmcguire | Well, Tc not TC. |
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| 06:14.29 | Corrodias | they have a short-term stun-like ability that takes combo points, like a rogue's only... takes combo points |
| 06:14.32 | Corrodias | but i don't remember what it's called |
| 06:14.41 | Corrodias | nor what the effect is called |
| 06:18.05 | Shadowed | It's a stun in 3.1, and it's Maim. |
| 06:18.31 | DWSR | tbh, stuns need a nerf. |
| 06:20.13 | tekkub | nerf poit egad! |
| 06:20.48 | DWSR | heh, I only say that as a lock |
| 06:20.53 | DWSR | Either stuns need a nerf or my DT needs a buff. |
| 06:20.59 | DWSR | One of the two |
| 06:21.05 | Corrodias | turning it into a stun is a nerf, i think |
| 06:21.19 | Corrodias | unless the... what the hell was it... was breakable before |
| 06:21.25 | batrick | It can't be a stun because I wasn't able to blink out of it |
| 06:21.34 | batrick | Happens all the time and I can't figure out what it is |
| 06:21.34 | Corrodias | it's the same thing as a sap |
| 06:21.50 | batrick | I get damaged to so it's not a disorient |
| 06:23.17 | DWSR | Corrodias: I know the rogue ability you're thinking of. |
| 06:23.29 | DWSR | tbh, the whole dmg output of the game needs a 30% nerf. |
| 06:23.36 | DWSR | There's hardmode for you |
| 06:23.45 | DWSR | And PvP gets fix |
| 06:24.19 | DWSR | No more world of burstcraft |
| 06:25.55 | Thunder_Child | kmcguire, i is |
| 06:29.04 | Thunder_Child | they have GOT to do something about getting to VoA |
| 06:29.21 | Thunder_Child | something is wrong if you can even fly there |
| 06:30.24 | Dewin | you mean like fixing it so the portal is up when it's supposed to be? |
| 06:30.36 | Dewin | and I fly there pretty regularly |
| 06:30.46 | Dewin | Dalaran -> Purple Parlor -> skirt south border of icecrown |
| 06:32.57 | Thunder_Child | fly as in FP |
| 06:33.14 | Thunder_Child | cant* |
| 06:36.45 | DWSR | The portal being up when it's supposed to be would be nice. |
| 06:36.54 | DWSR | Making WG less of a zergfest would be awesome too |
| 06:38.21 | Adys | awesome |
| 06:38.30 | Adys | I searched over a hour for this but google is really good |
| 06:38.32 | Adys | http://www.bibsu.org/wow/updates/ |
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| 06:43.46 | Adys | DWSR: Im sure if it was as simple as giving everyone a 30% dmg nerf it would have been done a while ago |
| 06:44.15 | Thunder_Child | interesting place at the bottom of the icecrown citidel |
| 06:44.21 | Thunder_Child | citadel* |
| 06:50.01 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 06:50.06 | Shirik | Reason #2 I love playing on a pvp server |
| 06:50.22 | Shirik | when you get jumped by a rogue unexpectedly, and then win, you feel so proud of yourself |
| 06:50.29 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:50.38 | Zootfizzle | ~whalecloak Shirik |
| 06:50.44 | Zootfizzle | >_> |
| 06:50.48 | Zootfizzle | ~whaleponcho Shirik |
| 06:50.48 | purl | ACTION uses the magic of nanotubes to create a whale shaped poncho around Shirik, protecting them. |
| 06:50.51 | Zootfizzle | There we go! |
| 06:50.57 | Shirik | I really never should have left pvp |
| 06:51.37 | DWSR | Adys: It is as simple as that |
| 06:51.50 | DWSR | Adys: No one dies as fast, classes have a chance to do damage beyond their burst capabilities. |
| 06:51.53 | DWSR | Fixt. |
| 06:51.56 | DWSR | And it makes raiding hardmode. |
| 06:52.33 | Fisker- | some classes rely on burst to be effective |
| 06:52.38 | Fisker- | so definitely not fixt at all |
| 06:53.01 | DWSR | which? |
| 06:53.02 | Adys | you cant just do shit like that and say "wee fixed for everyone" |
| 06:53.12 | DWSR | Adys: why? Blizz does it all the time. |
| 06:53.19 | Adys | wow |
| 06:53.30 | Adys | say that again and point me to a note showing such an action |
| 06:53.41 | DWSR | points to the patchnotes. |
| 06:53.43 | Fisker- | paladins for example |
| 06:53.46 | Adys | WHICH patchnote |
| 06:53.54 | Fisker- | beyond their burst they're very vulnerable in pvp |
| 06:54.03 | DWSR | Adys: patch notes, with an s on the end. |
| 06:54.17 | DWSR | every change they make, they declare (fixt for everyone), then the playerbase goes and proves them wrong. |
| 06:54.23 | DWSR | The endless cycle we call the evolution of WoW. |
| 06:54.27 | Adys | wtf are you smoking? |
| 06:54.33 | Adys | they never say "its fixed" |
| 06:54.49 | Adys | no mmo dev right in their mind EVER says "its fixed" |
| 06:55.13 | DWSR | Fisker-: So you're telling me that ret paladins, with their stuns, judges, plate armor, and bubbles, are vulnerable? |
| 06:55.19 | DWSR | After they stop bursting their opponent? |
| 06:55.21 | Adys | DWSR: dont go there |
| 06:55.36 | Fisker- | yep DWSR |
| 06:55.52 | DWSR | Mkay. |
| 06:56.00 | Arrowmaster | stun them first |
| 06:56.06 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: gimme a stun |
| 06:56.14 | DWSR | And I'll be more than glad to |
| 06:56.16 | Adys | you are ONE class |
| 06:56.23 | Adys | there are TEN classes |
| 06:56.23 | Fisker- | endure the damage instead |
| 06:56.31 | Adys | there are 30-40 different specs |
| 06:56.32 | Fisker- | When damage tiems is over, ???, profit |
| 06:56.40 | Fisker- | Just take priests for example |
| 06:56.47 | Fisker- | Just disperse when you get hammered |
| 06:56.56 | Fisker- | Paladin used all of his tricks, fear, kite, win |
| 06:57.10 | Fisker- | Unless the paladin survives for a minute or so |
| 06:57.35 | Zootfizzle | It is a Paladin |
| 06:57.40 | DWSR | ^ |
| 06:57.44 | Adys | ret pallies were fotw for the first arena days |
| 06:57.53 | Adys | pretty much everyone in high bracket is holy now |
| 06:58.19 | DWSR | Paladin has like 30sec total invuln. |
| 06:58.20 | Adys | its prolly because of how OP they were at 70 on 3.0.2 |
| 06:58.26 | Adys | no they dont |
| 06:58.31 | Zootfizzle | ^ |
| 06:58.37 | DWSR | Adys: You're right, wrong duration |
| 06:58.56 | Adys | Im a frost mage and telling you, ret pallies are cake once their bubble is down |
| 06:59.07 | DWSR | You has burst damage. |
| 06:59.08 | Fisker- | And we can't really do much in our bubble anyways |
| 06:59.11 | Adys | I dont |
| 06:59.14 | Fisker- | lol DWSR |
| 06:59.15 | DWSR | O_O |
| 06:59.19 | Fisker- | 50% reduced damage |
| 06:59.20 | Adys | Im one of the classes with least burst damage in the game |
| 06:59.27 | Fisker- | oh mage :P |
| 06:59.32 | DWSR | I'm the class with the least burst damage in the game. |
| 06:59.42 | Adys | I didnt say the, I said one of the |
| 06:59.46 | Syzgyn | Warlock? |
| 06:59.46 | DWSR | I am the. |
| 06:59.52 | DWSR | Aye. |
| 06:59.54 | Syzgyn | kek |
| 06:59.59 | Fisker- | But a paladin bubbles to heal up, unless the opponent himself is reliant on his cooldowns then you're fucked |
| 07:00.08 | Adys | instead of burst damage you got constant extreme damage |
| 07:00.12 | Adys | warlocks scale way too well |
| 07:00.12 | DWSR | Adys: Where? |
| 07:00.18 | Arrowmaster | either get over it or quit |
| 07:00.19 | Syzgyn | I like killing warlocks on my warrior |
| 07:00.20 | DWSR | Adys: I'll give you that much. |
| 07:00.26 | Adys | with dots critting and haste affecting them since 3.0 they scale even better |
| 07:00.27 | DWSR | Adys: but I can't get the gear to scale with |
| 07:00.34 | Syzgyn | It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside |
| 07:00.34 | DWSR | And that's getting nerfed in 3.1 |
| 07:00.52 | Adys | its always been like that every expansion, warlocks start off horrible, then they scale like war machines and end up being the most OP class |
| 07:01.02 | Arrowmaster | wrong |
| 07:01.10 | Arrowmaster | warlocks were the best at 2.0.1 |
| 07:01.18 | Arrowmaster | but nerfed to shit in 2.0.3 |
| 07:01.22 | Syzgyn | Yeah werent locks OP in kara? |
| 07:01.36 | Adys | thats end of expansion/start of expansion time |
| 07:01.39 | Adys | tons of shit happens then |
| 07:01.49 | Arrowmaster | no that was a single patch |
| 07:01.57 | Arrowmaster | 2.0.1 to 2.0.3 |
| 07:01.57 | DWSR | In PvE, I feel the game is fairly balanced. |
| 07:02.02 | Adys | Im talking starting off in lvl 60 gear, then starting off in lvl 70 gear, then starting off in lvl 80 gear |
| 07:02.04 | DWSR | It could be better, but it's way better than it has been |
| 07:02.09 | DWSR | PvP is terribroken. |
| 07:02.33 | Adys | DWSR: pvp was much more broken in 2.x |
| 07:02.35 | DWSR | The only thing I have going for me is the fact that I can actually survive burst damage thanks to the 10k dmg shield I get that costs me reagents. |
| 07:02.41 | Adys | thing is you think its not |
| 07:02.42 | Syzgyn | DWRS: Did you by chance watch the tourney video of the mage turning around a 2 on 1 and winning? |
| 07:03.06 | Arrowmaster | http://arrowmaster.net/screens/WoWScrnShot_120906_005904.jpg |
| 07:03.14 | Arrowmaster | ^^ 2.0.1 |
| 07:03.23 | DWSR | Syzgyn: A lock is not able to do such things. We have no blink, no root, single target slow. |
| 07:03.25 | Adys | lvl 60 Arrowmaster |
| 07:03.32 | Adys | as I said |
| 07:03.36 | Syzgyn | I never said you could |
| 07:03.42 | Adys | Im talking starting off lvl 60, starting off lvl 70 and starting off lvl 80 |
| 07:03.57 | DWSR | I have no PvP viability at all. |
| 07:04.00 | Arrowmaster | look up what the 2.0.1-2.0.3 patch did to locks |
| 07:04.11 | Adys | nevermind what a patch did to warlocks |
| 07:04.14 | Adys | I said scalability |
| 07:04.20 | Syzgyn | Man, I had forgotten that 100k dmg in a bg was alot at 60 |
| 07:04.23 | Arrowmaster | yes that single patch killed it all |
| 07:04.30 | DWSR | Adys: If you can't survive more than 2 seconds, you can't do all that extra damage. |
| 07:04.40 | Adys | Arrowmaster: and you ended up the most OP class at the end of BC, QED |
| 07:04.49 | Arrowmaster | did not |
| 07:04.51 | DWSR | Adys: If damage is the way that I survive, I'm cool with glass cannon, but this is fucking rediculous |
| 07:04.57 | DWSR | Adys: Absolutely not. |
| 07:05.08 | Adys | absolutely not? |
| 07:05.13 | Adys | warlock druids? totally forgot those? |
| 07:05.15 | Adys | warlock rogue? |
| 07:05.17 | Adys | warlock priest? |
| 07:05.23 | Adys | was it all a dream? |
| 07:05.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont 2v2 |
| 07:05.35 | Adys | sorry |
| 07:05.37 | Adys | warlock priest rogue. |
| 07:05.40 | Wobin | http://davehingsburger.blogspot.com/2009/03/elephant-disappears.html |
| 07:05.42 | Arrowmaster | i dont 3v3 |
| 07:05.42 | Wobin | O.O |
| 07:05.51 | Adys | sorry then |
| 07:05.59 | Adys | lock lock war pally priest? |
| 07:06.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont 5v5 |
| 07:06.06 | DWSR | Adys: It's not like vanilla, were lock vs anything = lose. |
| 07:06.24 | Syzgyn | <offtopic> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article5993187.ece </offtopic> |
| 07:06.25 | Adys | Arrowmaster: sorry then, locks on top of bg tables? |
| 07:06.31 | Adys | Arrowmaster: locks on top of dmg meter in sunwell? |
| 07:06.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont bg |
| 07:06.36 | Adys | mages losing their spots? |
| 07:06.38 | Adys | do you even play wow? |
| 07:06.43 | Arrowmaster | not anymore |
| 07:06.47 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.50 | Fisker- | was just about to say it :D |
| 07:06.56 | Adys | right, well warlocks were the most OP class at the end of BC |
| 07:07.05 | Adys | say Im wrong again ill just repeat myself |
| 07:07.05 | Arrowmaster | i played at the end of BC |
| 07:07.07 | Arrowmaster | they werent |
| 07:07.15 | Adys | because you didnt have gear |
| 07:07.22 | Adys | as i said its scalability |
| 07:07.24 | Arrowmaster | i had gear |
| 07:07.26 | Adys | scalability involves gearing up |
| 07:07.32 | Arrowmaster | full T6 |
| 07:07.45 | Adys | well must have been a dream then |
| 07:07.48 | DWSR | Adys: I can safely tell you that my PvP scalability is way too top heavy. |
| 07:08.00 | DWSR | I take forever to get rolling. It's pretty much impossible without a decent team to carry me. |
| 07:08.01 | Adys | because i remember warlocks on top arena brackets, top bg meters and top sunwell meters |
| 07:08.12 | Arrowmaster | yes because awesome pve gear will do shit in pvp since 2.0.3 |
| 07:08.18 | DWSR | indeed |
| 07:08.28 | DWSR | Adys: And don't get me started with cloth homogenization. |
| 07:08.34 | DWSR | If I get anymore fucking haste on my gear I'm going to asplode. |
| 07:08.35 | Adys | DWSR: you're full of it |
| 07:08.52 | DWSR | Adys: Gemming AWAY from haste I had over 600 haste on my gear. |
| 07:09.04 | DWSR | I'm a WARLOCK |
| 07:09.13 | DWSR | I need SPELLPOWER. |
| 07:09.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah the gear itemization is terribad |
| 07:09.29 | Adys | Im a frost mage and I got like 400 spirit from my gear hi |
| 07:09.33 | Adys | you benefit from haste |
| 07:09.46 | Arrowmaster | you benefit more from spirit than we do |
| 07:09.56 | Adys | its not a contest who's most broken |
| 07:10.10 | Adys | im telling you you scale too well and if blizz doesnt do anything about it youll be way over the top in 3.3 |
| 07:10.15 | DWSR | O_O |
| 07:10.18 | Arrowmaster | its not, because i dont play anymore |
| 07:10.30 | Syzgyn | Arrowmaster wins |
| 07:10.36 | Adys | dont try to make it one then |
| 07:10.44 | DWSR | Adys: Do you have any idea what the representation stats are in this season of arena? |
| 07:10.56 | Adys | uh yeah so? |
| 07:11.10 | Adys | Im talking 3.3 and you're saying "but but how about now" |
| 07:11.19 | Adys | you really are full of it |
| 07:11.48 | DWSR | Adys: the game is supposed to be balanced at all points. |
| 07:11.57 | Adys | yeah and 3.3 is a point in the future |
| 07:12.00 | DWSR | Adys: Why does everyone else get to eat their cake now and I have to wait? |
| 07:12.08 | Arrowmaster | 3.3 may never even happen |
| 07:12.08 | Adys | because you are bad |
| 07:12.16 | Fisker- | it will Arrowmaster |
| 07:12.21 | Adys | I see warlocks on 2k+ on tourney |
| 07:12.31 | DWSR | Adys: You see every class 2k+ on tourney. |
| 07:12.37 | Adys | EXACTLY |
| 07:12.38 | DWSR | You also see locks 1100 on tourney. |
| 07:12.49 | Adys | under 1500 is bullshit |
| 07:12.50 | DWSR | That statement in and of itself is completely uninformative. |
| 07:13.05 | Wobin | http://www.futilitycloset.com/2009/03/23/whats-in-a-name-10/ |
| 07:13.13 | Adys | DWSR: talk about my class see how annoying it is |
| 07:13.25 | Adys | try to find over 5 frost mages over 2k on season3 and season4 |
| 07:13.28 | Arrowmaster | remember the site with the top 50 different arena builds at the beginning of season1 |
| 07:13.29 | Adys | FIVE |
| 07:13.39 | Arrowmaster | 0 of them had warlocks |
| 07:13.49 | Adys | its |
| 07:13.50 | Adys | EXACTLY |
| 07:13.52 | Adys | what I said |
| 07:13.56 | Arrowmaster | er not season1 but season4 i think |
| 07:13.59 | Adys | they start off horrible and they end up most OP |
| 07:14.05 | Adys | Arrowmaster: thats bullshit then |
| 07:14.06 | Arrowmaster | and its still broken |
| 07:14.22 | Adys | half of the top teams were warlocks+druid/priest/warr/rogue |
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| 07:14.43 | DWSR | Adys: That's like saying Deep Demo is a viable PvP spec. Without *some* survivability somewhere else, you're going to get raped in about 2 seconds. |
| 07:14.52 | DWSR | Adys: I'm talking about class, regardless of spec |
| 07:14.59 | Adys | what the hell are you on about |
| 07:15.02 | Adys | what's like saying that? |
| 07:15.10 | Adys | I said, ill repeat |
| 07:15.28 | Adys | "Warlocks start off horrible/most horrible class in the game, over time they scale too well and end up being the most OP class" |
| 07:15.41 | Adys | its what happened in vanilla, its what happened in BC, its what's happening in wotlk |
| 07:15.45 | Arrowmaster | and its broken, and part of the reason i dont play anymore |
| 07:15.55 | Adys | yeah I didnt say it was the RWTDI |
| 07:16.03 | DWSR | Adys: So my point is, they can fix it, so they should fix it. |
| 07:16.08 | Arrowmaster | but its not completely true |
| 07:16.12 | DWSR | And they have promised to fix it. |
| 07:16.22 | Arrowmaster | they do get better but they werent the absolutly most OP class |
| 07:16.30 | Adys | yeah they were |
| 07:16.36 | DWSR | And they have not delivered on said promise as of yet. 3.1 is a LOT of QoL changes and not too much otherwise. |
| 07:16.49 | Adys | shadowpriests scaled similarly to warlocks in vanilla |
| 07:16.53 | Adys | they were second best |
| 07:17.02 | DWSR | They're just wannabes anyway |
| 07:17.05 | DWSR | :P |
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| 07:17.50 | Adys | Arrowmaster: unrelated, wtf with a 100mb UI? |
| 07:17.55 | DWSR | Adys: ROFL |
| 07:18.00 | DWSR | Mine's a hell of a lot larger than that |
| 07:18.09 | Adys | s'what she said |
| 07:18.15 | DWSR | indeed tis. |
| 07:18.32 | Adys | I tried and I couldnt get past 20mb |
| 07:18.40 | Arrowmaster | Adys: that was 2.0.1, shit was broken |
| 07:18.46 | Adys | yeah true |
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| 07:22.22 | Thunder_Child | ~staple tekkub |
| 07:22.23 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples tekkub quite well, and hands tekkub to thunder_child |
| 07:23.51 | tekkub | I broke synergy, so :P |
| 07:23.58 | tekkub | it was just easier to reboot |
| 07:24.07 | Thunder_Child | 3 times? |
| 07:24.11 | Thunder_Child | 4 |
| 07:24.28 | tekkub | the last one was safari 4 beta ^^ |
| 07:25.00 | tekkub | I must say... "This install will require a reboot, continue?" is something windows installers need to learn |
| 07:25.50 | Thunder_Child | no, not restarting in the first place is something windows needs to learn |
| 07:27.23 | tekkub | well, the mass majority of installers that try to make you restart don't need to |
| 07:27.34 | tekkub | but the ones that do, saying so at the start is nice |
| 07:28.34 | Thunder_Child | is it really that hard to have redundancy in an operating system? |
| 07:28.50 | tekkub | yes |
| 07:29.19 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 07:34.20 | DWSR | no |
| 07:38.43 | Thunder_Child | why arent you making fun stuff like http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/27/remote-control-airsoft-gun-macgyvered-out-of-wiimote-iobridge/ Shirik |
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| 07:42.16 | Fisker- | that's what she said |
| 08:00.52 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrCb_fNmSTA |
| 08:00.59 | Wobin | best rube goldberg seen in a while |
| 08:05.43 | Shirik | yay |
| 08:05.45 | Shirik | first thunderstorm of the year |
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| 08:30.20 | Thunder_Child | send one over this way will ya Shirik |
| 08:39.14 | Shirik | sure |
| 08:39.17 | Shirik | we have enough here in florida |
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| 08:49.23 | Shirik | hrm |
| 08:49.28 | Shirik | ihop or mcdonalds for breakfast |
| 08:49.38 | Shirik | ihop has the unfortunate side effect of me needing to get dressed/take a shower |
| 08:52.35 | Wobin | but better food |
| 08:53.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:53.43 | Shirik | including the fact that I eat at mcdonalds too much |
| 08:56.27 | Dewin | I wish I had an option |
| 08:56.34 | Dewin | our nearest ihop is like an hour away |
| 08:56.37 | Dewin | and it's not even a good one :( |
| 08:57.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you can go to mcd's naked? |
| 08:57.04 | Zootfizzle | I was expecting something far more dramatic than that |
| 08:57.13 | Shirik | no, but I can go there in pajamas at the drive thru |
| 08:57.25 | Thunder_Child | then you can go to ihop in pajamas |
| 08:57.30 | Thunder_Child | it counts |
| 09:03.39 | Thunder_Child | you know...by the time i get itunes to 365 days of songs i think i am going to just let it play for a whole year non stop |
| 09:07.02 | Shirik | welp |
| 09:07.03 | Shirik | storm is here |
| 09:07.07 | Shirik | not going out for a bit then |
| 09:17.51 | Cairenn | Puppies! |
| 09:19.40 | Shirik | puppies? |
| 09:19.49 | Cairenn | you said you were whelping .... |
| 09:20.32 | Shirik | Isn't that "yelping" ? |
| 09:20.47 | Cairenn | ummm, no |
| 09:20.59 | Cairenn | ~dict whelp |
| 09:21.11 | Shirik | in any case |
| 09:21.16 | Shirik | distinct lack of "h" |
| 09:21.20 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 09:21.22 | Shirik | ~dict welp |
| 09:21.30 | Shirik | fu, get slang dictionary installed |
| 09:22.24 | Shirik | yay!! |
| 09:22.27 | Shirik | Look, it's a rainbow |
| 09:22.42 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 09:23.14 | Shirik | hey wait Cairenn|afk! |
| 09:23.17 | Shirik | you need to see the rainbow |
| 09:23.20 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/563cb94673f62c02e5a5f007ad4d7b76.png |
| 09:23.22 | Shirik | Isn't it pretty? |
| 09:23.32 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 09:26.39 | Shirik | huh. Killing totems procs spirit tap. |
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| 09:46.37 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 09:46.38 | purl | ~pong |
| 09:46.47 | Shirik | sigh |
| 09:46.50 | Shirik | did I break fisheye again |
| 09:51.07 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:51.09 | Fisker- | oww my eye |
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| 10:07.51 | Fisker- | i hope whoever provided Realtek's download servers is really proud of himself |
| 10:08.31 | Fisker- | [R] List Complete: 612 bytes in 17,13 seconds (0,0 KB/s) |
| 10:08.34 | Fisker- | DIE DIE DIE DIE |
| 10:12.22 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a short snippet they could post to send a message when a "conditional" skill like Kill Shot/Execute becomes available? |
| 10:12.28 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/244#forums/development/244/709 |
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| 10:22.37 | Fisker- | a lot of addons do that already |
| 10:22.38 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 10:30.17 | Shirik | hoho |
| 10:30.22 | Shirik | are you santa claus? |
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| 10:32.03 | Fisker- | yes |
| 10:32.16 | Fisker- | and now you annoyed poor Mikk |
| 10:36.18 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: yes, can you please direct me to one |
| 10:36.20 | jnwhiteh | so I ca post that as a link |
| 10:36.29 | jnwhiteh | I dont' want to learn how to do it, just point them in the right direction |
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| 11:03.10 | Shirik | night night |
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| 11:08.49 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh MSBT must have the code somewhere |
| 11:11.36 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 11:11.45 | Fisker- | why doesn't Blizzard just digital sign their messages? |
| 11:12.02 | Fisker- | You'd have to be batshit retarded to be scammed then |
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| 11:44.51 | Fisker- | btw Shirik |
| 11:45.05 | Fisker- | Does the US login screen say "Account name or E-mail address"? |
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| 11:51.09 | cbreak | why e-mail address? |
| 11:51.25 | cbreak | using public info for authentification doesn't seem smart |
| 11:51.44 | cbreak | and while the account name isn't really a secret, it is still less well known than an e-mail address |
| 11:53.51 | nevcairiel | the new battle.net accounts use email adresses, always. |
| 11:54.24 | selckin | its guaranteed to be unique, and people don't forget it |
| 11:54.28 | selckin | its nice from implementation side :\ |
| 12:01.11 | cbreak | people forget anything... |
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| 12:05.46 | Fisker- | cbreak your email is only public if you make it |
| 12:05.57 | Fisker- | But i'm just asking since i want to do some speculation |
| 12:06.16 | cbreak | I'd speculate that e-mails are intended to be public, usernames are not |
| 12:06.47 | Fisker- | i'd speculate the other way around |
| 12:07.00 | Fisker- | In any case it doesn't matter as knowing your username is irrelevant |
| 12:07.54 | cbreak | unless your username and password are the same :/ |
| 12:07.57 | Fisker- | Anyways anyone with an US client that can check if the loginfield says "Username" or "Username or E-mail"? |
| 12:08.08 | Fisker- | cbreak it can't even be that anyways |
| 12:08.22 | cbreak | oh, you tried? :) nice though. |
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| 12:09.53 | Fisker- | cbreak i don't even know if it checks, but accountnames can only be alphanumeric, password strength policies restrict that from being the case |
| 12:10.22 | cbreak | my password is only alphanumeric though. |
| 12:10.37 | Buglouse | I have LibDogTag installed. When i open the DogTab help, I don't get any responce for tags, only shows as 'unknown tag'. |
| 12:11.06 | Buglouse | I don't think this is a dependancy issue. |
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| 12:19.53 | Fisker- | drives nevcairiel over |
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| 12:24.44 | Adys | so |
| 12:24.50 | Adys | I need around 1100 rogues decks |
| 12:25.04 | Adys | thats around 3300 mysterious tarots |
| 12:25.20 | Adys | each one requires around 2 bruiseweed/swiftthistle |
| 12:25.46 | Adys | so I need 6600 bruiseweed. I feel like I'm an Ahn'qiraj opening questgiver |
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| 12:30.06 | Kaso | so that's why they wanted all that god damn resources! |
| 12:33.47 | jnwhiteh | Anyone here on the EU PTR? |
| 12:34.02 | jnwhiteh | I need to invite a few people so I have a raid |
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| 12:45.17 | cbreak | what do you need that many decks for? |
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| 13:08.28 | foxlit | is losing packets. Help! |
| 13:10.03 | zenzelezz | reroutes foxlit |
| 13:14.20 | jnwhiteh | if I use UnitFrameManaBar_Initialize will it taint the default unit frames? |
| 13:14.38 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 13:15.34 | Fisker- | what server jnwhiteh? |
| 13:15.41 | jnwhiteh | I'm on Brill atm |
| 13:15.42 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 13:15.47 | Fisker- | you're an alliance fag |
| 13:15.47 | Fisker- | :D |
| 13:15.50 | jnwhiteh | you can be level 1 |
| 13:15.54 | jnwhiteh | just need a party |
| 13:16.09 | Fisker- | i thought brill was pvp |
| 13:16.24 | Fisker- | whats your name? |
| 13:16.33 | jnwhiteh | Cladhaire |
| 13:17.09 | jnwhiteh | thanks sir |
| 13:18.39 | foxlit | So, it's april 1st soon |
| 13:19.09 | foxlit | wonder what sort of evil and fisker-y things I could employ for the occasion. |
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| 13:19.23 | Fisker- | same thing i do every day my dear FoxFurry |
| 13:19.25 | Fisker- | bah |
| 13:19.26 | Fisker- | foxlit |
| 13:20.21 | Fisker- | this quest thingy is a lie! |
| 13:20.26 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 13:20.32 | Fisker- | it's your fault jnwhiteh |
| 13:20.34 | Fisker- | i'm in a raid |
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| 13:23.52 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 13:23.55 | jnwhiteh | leave group |
| 13:23.56 | jnwhiteh | and i'll reinvite |
| 13:24.48 | Fisker- | i don't think there's much point in effectively leveling a PTR character |
| 13:24.50 | jnwhiteh | you can leave whenever you want as well, i'll just convert to raid first so you stay in it |
| 13:24.59 | jnwhiteh | i just need the extra bodies |
| 13:26.01 | Fisker- | bodies? :3 |
| 13:27.16 | Fisker- | anyways you can just convert it back to a raid |
| 13:28.13 | jnwhiteh | then you can quit |
| 13:28.23 | jnwhiteh | and you'll stay in teh raid |
| 13:28.24 | jnwhiteh | yayz! |
| 13:28.42 | Fisker- | weird |
| 13:28.44 | Fisker- | i found a bug |
| 13:28.49 | Fisker- | you start with seal of righteousness |
| 13:29.01 | Fisker- | but you train it at the trainer as well |
| 13:29.19 | jnwhiteh | nayce |
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| 14:00.26 | Wobin | just added the mobile authenticator |
| 14:00.35 | Wobin | hopefully I won't regret this =P |
| 14:03.41 | foxlit | steals Wobin's bits. |
| 14:04.48 | Wobin | night all |
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| 14:09.51 | jnwhiteh | Is there a relatively easy way to set up a set of unit frames to have the appropriate dropdown menu? |
| 14:10.54 | jnwhiteh | local unit = string.gsub(self.unit, '(.)', string.upper, 1) |
| 14:10.55 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 14:11.00 | jnwhiteh | that is.. special. |
| 14:11.18 | foxlit | that is awesome |
| 14:11.38 | foxlit | ^ would be slightly better, but meh. |
| 14:12.37 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: thats broken |
| 14:12.44 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: what is? |
| 14:12.53 | Arrowmaster | local unit = string.gsub(self.unit, '(.)', string.upper, 1) |
| 14:13.00 | jnwhiteh | i know |
| 14:13.02 | jnwhiteh | its not my code :P |
| 14:13.06 | jnwhiteh | but it works correctly |
| 14:13.08 | jnwhiteh | just odd way to do it |
| 14:13.26 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt work correctly if the name doesnt start with A-Za-z |
| 14:13.36 | jnwhiteh | it does in this case |
| 14:14.12 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 14:14.22 | jnwhiteh | i need to figure out how to toggle a dropdown for members in my raid |
| 14:14.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.gsub("öóÃúü", '(.)', string.upper, 1) |
| 14:14.47 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: öóÃúü, 1 |
| 14:14.58 | Arrowmaster | no change |
| 14:16.50 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 14:16.52 | jnwhiteh | they are unit tokens |
| 14:16.54 | jnwhiteh | a.) its not my code |
| 14:16.56 | jnwhiteh | b.) that doesn't matter |
| 14:17.12 | jnwhiteh | c.) help me figure out how to popup a dropdown for a given raid member :P |
| 14:17.49 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: wowlua string.upper is utf-8 safe, afaik. luabots may not be |
| 14:22.32 | Arrowmaster | lua> upper_test = function(i) if i == "ö" then return "Ã" else return i end; return string.gsub("öóÃúü", '(.)', upper_test, 1) |
| 14:22.32 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 14:22.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> upper_test = function(i) if i == "ö" then return "Ã" else return i end end; return string.gsub("öóÃúü", '(.)', upper_test, 1) |
| 14:22.42 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: öóÃúü, 1 |
| 14:23.02 | Arrowmaster | lua> upper_test = function(i) if i == "ö" then return "Ã" else return i end end; return string.gsub("öóÃúü", '(.+)', upper_test, 1) |
| 14:23.02 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: öóÃúü, 1 |
| 14:23.46 | nevcairiel | lua> upper_test = function(i) if i == "ö" then return "Ã" else return i end end; return string.gsub("öóÃúü", '(..)', upper_test, 1) |
| 14:23.47 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: ÃóÃúü, 1 |
| 14:24.08 | Arrowmaster | that wont work though |
| 14:24.37 | nevcairiel | if you really want this to work, you'll use utf8lib |
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| 14:24.47 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 14:25.37 | cbreak | I don't see what it's useful for. |
| 14:25.40 | nevcairiel | but people with special chars in their name deserve to be shot anyway |
| 14:25.51 | Arrowmaster | lua> upper_test = function(i) if i == "ö" then return "Ã" else return i end end; return string.gsub("öóÃúü", "^([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", upper_test, 1) |
| 14:25.51 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: ÃóÃúü, 1 |
| 14:27.52 | Arrowmaster | string.gsub(name, "^([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", string.upper, 1) is exactly what sylvanaar posted on the wowace forums last week |
| 14:28.08 | Arrowmaster | using (.) is just plain wrong |
| 14:28.19 | cbreak | nevcairiel: some names can't be written without special chars. |
| 14:28.30 | nevcairiel | so get another one |
| 14:29.21 | cbreak | that is potentially expensive |
| 14:29.39 | nevcairiel | how does it cost money choosing a sane name when creating a char? :) |
| 14:29.54 | cbreak | you might not realize it |
| 14:29.59 | Arrowmaster | ask the russians |
| 14:30.03 | Arrowmaster | they have to pick 6 names |
| 14:30.04 | cbreak | but some names with special chars already exist |
| 14:30.22 | cbreak | they are among us |
| 14:31.06 | nevcairiel | its ok using chars that are on your keyboard. like russians are probably fine using their own charset, who cares |
| 14:31.16 | nevcairiel | but if i have to type ascii sequences to invite someone to a party |
| 14:31.19 | nevcairiel | fun is over |
| 14:31.40 | cbreak | all the chars in the example above are on my keyboard. |
| 14:32.09 | Arrowmaster | they are on mine too |
| 14:32.44 | Arrowmaster | except à because for some reason altgr+shift+p opened kaspersky virtual keyboard |
| 14:32.53 | Arrowmaster | but i think thats altgr+shift+p |
| 14:32.59 | cbreak | that's the reason for the ¨ dead key :) |
| 14:33.03 | nevcairiel | i'm fine with äöü since i have single keys for that, but á à etc require multiple presses and i always mix the direction of the acent up |
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| 14:33.20 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 14:33.29 | Arrowmaster | i was lazy and just did altgr poiuy |
| 14:34.25 | Arrowmaster | my keyboard doesnt actually have any of the altgr printed on it and i never learned them so dead keys are the only way i can type a specific one |
| 14:34.29 | jnwhiteh | äöüáà |
| 14:34.43 | jnwhiteh | two keys for each |
| 14:34.44 | cbreak | names are just relevant for users anyway, addons only have to deal with them as tokens more or less. mostly :/ |
| 14:34.44 | jnwhiteh | but not tough |
| 14:34.45 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 14:34.47 | Lothaer | ???o? |
| 14:34.56 | nevcairiel | äöü are commonly usedin german, thats why we have keys for those |
| 14:34.58 | jnwhiteh | oooh boat race starts in 10 min |
| 14:35.14 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:35.20 | Fisker- | your mom is a boat race |
| 14:35.24 | Lothaer | oooooooooooo |
| 14:35.28 | Lothaer | its on |
| 14:35.49 | Lothaer | sill americans spelling mum wrong |
| 14:37.08 | Lothaer | ha i win lol |
| 14:37.45 | Arrowmaster | oh thats nice i seem to have just broken my lua.exe and windows at the same time |
| 14:37.49 | Arrowmaster | i cant close it |
| 14:37.53 | Arrowmaster | and its not in taskmanager |
| 14:38.01 | Lothaer | quick batman alt-F4 |
| 14:38.18 | Arrowmaster | didnt do anything |
| 14:38.26 | Lothaer | hit the big red button |
| 14:38.33 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 14:38.35 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:38.36 | Arrowmaster | and its black |
| 14:38.41 | zenzelezz | occasionally, Google Ads yields peculiar results. Visiting a website about the game Oblivion, and one of the ads is about spyware... "Detect & Remove oblivion 100%" |
| 14:38.44 | Lothaer | rip out the kettle cord |
| 14:40.35 | Lothaer | http://www.splitreason.com/Product_Images/329308a2c70c-xl.jpg |
| 14:40.43 | Lothaer | probably seen it before :D |
| 15:04.58 | Wraithan | Lothaer: not only seen it, have the poster. |
| 15:04.58 | jnwhiteh | I need a good skull icon |
| 15:05.00 | jnwhiteh | any ideas? |
| 15:05.05 | jnwhiteh | to signify that the player is ded |
| 15:05.35 | jnwhiteh | dead even |
| 15:05.43 | zenzelezz | big or small? |
| 15:06.21 | Wraithan | wtb mailbox that holds more than 50 mails at a time |
| 15:06.32 | nevcairiel | use the skull from the raid icons? |
| 15:06.33 | jnwhiteh | zenzelezz: it's goin gon a 36x36 frame |
| 15:06.37 | jnwhiteh | oh good call |
| 15:06.56 | Wraithan | I take a day off AH stuff and I have 400 mail on my AH toon |
| 15:06.59 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: maybe the icon for the dead NPC loot window? |
| 15:07.02 | Wraithan | and counting |
| 15:07.05 | jnwhiteh | wonder where they are |
| 15:07.53 | Thrae | Ahhh. Windows 7 goodness. Finally got an install paradigm I can be happy with. |
| 15:08.03 | nevcairiel | Interface\TargetingFrame\UI-RaidTargetingIcons |
| 15:08.30 | jnwhiteh | that'll definitely work |
| 15:08.35 | Wraithan | 583 mail total on my AH toon, bleh |
| 15:12.58 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: know where i can find the coords for these? |
| 15:13.18 | nevcairiel | there is a function that does that |
| 15:13.19 | nevcairiel | SetRaidTargetIconTexture |
| 15:13.53 | nevcairiel | ah its lua defined |
| 15:14.12 | nevcairiel | check targetframe.lua, and you'll figure it out =) |
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| 15:42.35 | Lothaer | jnwhiteh: still need a skill icon? |
| 15:42.46 | Fisker- | makes out with nevcairiel |
| 15:43.10 | Lothaer | skull* |
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| 16:32.15 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 16:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1716/afafafaa.jpg |
| 16:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm photoshop |
| 16:33.16 | Fisker- | not nessecarily a photoshop |
| 16:33.16 | mikma | scytheblade1: okidoki |
| 16:33.25 | Fisker- | Just Blizzard's incompetence once again |
| 16:33.36 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2acda07508e037933e46683a0d18d018.png |
| 16:33.38 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 16:33.40 | jnwhiteh | what else should I add |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker- | "Durr hurr we won't get any unintended ads like the last time" |
| 16:33.53 | Fisker- | Err this thread is reporting ads which you yourself just said wasn't intended |
| 16:33.55 | jnwhiteh | other than some simple secure template setup |
| 16:33.55 | Fisker- | durrr |
| 16:34.08 | Fisker- | proper textures |
| 16:34.11 | Fisker- | looks like shit |
| 16:34.33 | jnwhiteh | no, sorry |
| 16:34.38 | jnwhiteh | not forcing the reader to download tectures |
| 16:34.44 | jnwhiteh | and there aren't any good ones in the default UI |
| 16:34.50 | jnwhiteh | unless you know differently |
| 16:34.58 | Fisker- | true |
| 16:35.03 | Fisker- | What is it for? |
| 16:35.13 | jnwhiteh | the book |
| 16:35.19 | Fisker- | oh |
| 16:35.35 | Fisker- | So you basically ripped off grid! |
| 16:35.37 | Fisker- | Well done! |
| 16:35.38 | nevcairiel | You are going to walk them through setting up a grid-like raid ui? nice =) |
| 16:35.46 | jnwhiteh | i did this last book |
| 16:35.52 | jnwhiteh | this is just an enhanced version of it |
| 16:35.57 | jnwhiteh | and grid is FAR from the only square unit frames |
| 16:36.01 | jnwhiteh | nor was it the first |
| 16:36.06 | Fisker- | i disagree |
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| 16:36.16 | Fisker- | Never seen anything like Grid |
| 16:36.16 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:36.32 | zenzelezz | square unit frames is far too advanced for everyone to come up with! |
| 16:36.37 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 16:36.51 | mikma | jnwhiteh: oh please don't ask "what else should I add"! the list is huuuuge :D |
| 16:36.58 | jnwhiteh | mikma: Nom I'm serious |
| 16:37.04 | jnwhiteh | I'll reject most of YOUR suggestions |
| 16:37.12 | mikma | jnwhiteh: curse/poison/magic indicators, incoming heal indicator |
| 16:37.14 | jnwhiteh | but simple things that will be nice additions, I'm down with |
| 16:37.32 | foxlit | What's the point, really? |
| 16:37.35 | jnwhiteh | anyone know of any good status bar textures in the default ui? |
| 16:37.38 | Fisker- | You don't got any indicators! |
| 16:37.40 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: ... what do you mean what's the point? |
| 16:37.52 | foxlit | Quite literary -- what do you want to demonstrate? |
| 16:37.54 | Fisker- | Doesn't the rep bar textures look decent? |
| 16:38.03 | jnwhiteh | its a chapter on how to use the group headers. |
| 16:38.08 | foxlit | Anything graphical is trivial if your point is that you can set up secure templates |
| 16:38.15 | mikma | jnwhiteh: "person as my target" highlight |
| 16:38.27 | jnwhiteh | its about utilizing all the features they've learned earlier in the book |
| 16:38.33 | jnwhiteh | or some of them |
| 16:38.38 | jnwhiteh | along with the group headers |
| 16:38.46 | jnwhiteh | and giving them a step by step build of a "real" addon |
| 16:39.23 | mikma | jnwhiteh: basicly, a list of cureable stuff by class -> indicators, also name of the char replaced with green +X.X -text .. |
| 16:39.44 | mikma | altho, there's problems with ie. Shamans, which can cure curses with talent-point :I |
| 16:39.58 | jnwhiteh | well the curing isn't going to happen |
| 16:40.08 | jnwhiteh | so you can stop elaborating on that one :P |
| 16:40.17 | jnwhiteh | i will be adding range fading, and possibly combat indicator. |
| 16:40.26 | Fisker- | Curse removal with shamans should be baseline |
| 16:40.33 | mikma | highlighted disease/poison/magic/curse not going to happen? laaaaaame! |
| 16:40.36 | Fisker- | i hate those kind of talents |
| 16:40.37 | Fisker- | bawww |
| 16:41.09 | Fisker- | I've seen better grid clones from jerry |
| 16:42.03 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: troller harder |
| 16:42.08 | jnwhiteh | tthis is pathetic |
| 16:42.09 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:43.39 | Fisker- | grammar/spell better |
| 16:43.40 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 16:44.10 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f44d10210754d1681b673b0b84d11548.png |
| 16:44.13 | jnwhiteh | that's the rep bar texture |
| 16:44.17 | jnwhiteh | I suspect you don't like it :P |
| 16:44.24 | mikma | eww :( |
| 16:44.54 | mikma | jnwhiteh: castingbar texture? |
| 16:46.22 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/85468d2d26a277c9fa1fa4bb07610bd2.png |
| 16:46.22 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 16:46.56 | Fisker- | :/ |
| 16:47.12 | foxlit | I demand animation! |
| 16:47.21 | Fisker- | What about the currency tab texture? |
| 16:47.23 | foxlit | chunks of HP flying off in random directions |
| 16:48.16 | mikma | is castingbar and health/manabar the same? |
| 16:48.58 | jnwhiteh | mikma: there are three BarTextures used in the default UI |
| 16:49.03 | jnwhiteh | I've shown you all of them :P |
| 16:49.39 | foxlit | achievement highlight? |
| 16:49.49 | foxlit | could cut a slice out of its middle |
| 16:50.07 | mikma | jnwhiteh: thanks dude! |
| 16:50.45 | jnwhiteh | meh, I'm happy with it as is |
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| 17:07.20 | Addybot | that was fun |
| 17:07.52 | Addybot | just did kel with 33 abominations |
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| 17:08.25 | Adys | can prollyget to 50 or so |
| 17:09.48 | zenzelezz | I did Kel with 24 abominations every week |
| 17:09.53 | zenzelezz | then I got tired of the guild |
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| 17:23.32 | Adys | right now |
| 17:23.35 | Adys | I want this achievement |
| 17:23.36 | Adys | NOW |
| 17:23.44 | Adys | I Got 99 Problems But Kel'Thuzad Ain't One |
| 17:23.45 | Adys | Defeat Kel'Thuzad while killing at least 99 abominations in his chamber. |
| 17:24.21 | foxlit | Why stop at 99? |
| 17:24.30 | foxlit | 9001 is clearly a better number. |
| 17:24.44 | Adys | 158 is the maximum you could kill with a group fully equipped with martin thunder |
| 17:24.49 | Adys | 126 is a more realistic number |
| 17:24.53 | Adys | 99 is way beyond cool |
| 17:24.57 | Adys | Zootfizzle: tell them to do that NOW |
| 17:24.58 | cbreak | martin thunder? |
| 17:28.45 | Fisker- | nah |
| 17:29.02 | Fisker- | Defeat Kel'Thuzad while engaing 99 abominations in his chamber |
| 17:29.03 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 17:33.03 | Industrial | anyone use Carbonite? |
| 17:33.29 | Industrial | my minimap is very small and in the top left corner :\ I want to have it inside the carbonite minimap again (for tracking) |
| 17:35.59 | tekkub | Industrial: you are dead to me |
| 17:38.11 | Fisker- | lets all harass Industrial for using carbonite |
| 17:38.19 | Adys | tekkub: he looks very much alive from here |
| 17:38.24 | Fisker- | This is why we can't have nice things |
| 17:38.31 | Fisker- | or maybe he's the cancer killing #wowuidev |
| 17:42.03 | nevcairiel | no, thats you Fisker- |
| 17:42.26 | Fisker- | no u |
| 17:44.58 | Adys | So |
| 17:45.24 | Adys | can someone give me a list of things in game that are more epic than the AQ questline, war effort and event combined? |
| 17:46.19 | Fisker- | Atiesh |
| 17:46.34 | Adys | um |
| 17:46.35 | Fisker- | Well actually |
| 17:46.40 | Fisker- | It's up there :P |
| 17:52.02 | Fisker- | slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:52.04 | Fisker- | slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:05.42 | jnwhiteh | I've definitely seen a spike in donations since the overlay went up |
| 18:05.54 | jnwhiteh | adding a queue for it would be cool too |
| 18:06.15 | Industrial | tekkub: screw you, you made a popup appear in my ace with a donation button on wowi. dead to me just the same. |
| 18:06.26 | Industrial | face* |
| 18:06.47 | Aqua | what are we getting into a pissing match this morning |
| 18:06.50 | Aqua | where is the popcorn? |
| 18:07.03 | jnwhiteh | tekkub's ace always asks for donations |
| 18:07.32 | Aqua | i can't blame him, its a lot of work |
| 18:08.37 | Industrial | but I can be blamed for using any addon I want? |
| 18:08.49 | Adys | hehe google |
| 18:08.50 | Adys | The post you requested cannot be found or no longer exists. The administrator or moderator may have deleted the post. ... |
| 18:08.50 | Adys | wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/carbonite-quest.aspx - 16k - |
| 18:08.51 | Aqua | nope, you can't |
| 18:09.37 | Industrial | carboniteaddon.com there you go. it's all free now. |
| 18:16.10 | Dashkal | huh, I'm surprised. I expected it to fail when the income dried up. |
| 18:16.33 | foxlit | Meh, I expect it to fail shortly after. |
| 18:16.41 | foxlit | *if* the income dries up |
| 18:16.51 | Aqua | some people don't like questhelper |
| 18:17.09 | foxlit | The point is: go free, get donations, quit actively spending time on maintaining it and see how much $$$ you can still reel in |
| 18:17.25 | foxlit | or, well, s/maintaining/developing/ if your income proves sufficient. |
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| 18:19.00 | Shirik | Anyone have a recommendation for a location to level an alliance 35? I'm starting to run out of quests |
| 18:19.15 | Industrial | or you do it for a hobby like everyone else and it doesnt have to fail |
| 18:19.19 | foxlit | desolace |
| 18:19.20 | foxlit | stv |
| 18:19.25 | Industrial | ive got addons working in nerly the same state for 4 years now |
| 18:19.25 | Shirik | Oh god I hate desolace |
| 18:19.27 | foxlit | arathi |
| 18:19.33 | Shirik | Arathi seems a little too high still |
| 18:19.35 | Shirik | I did some of them there |
| 18:19.43 | foxlit | hillsbrad might also work |
| 18:19.46 | Shirik | STV I might be able to go back to now; I left because things were getting too high |
| 18:19.53 | foxlit | though that might be a bit low |
| 18:20.04 | Shirik | hillsbrad is done |
| 18:20.08 | foxlit | (and Desolace is awesome, really) |
| 18:20.17 | Shirik | I hate it >< |
| 18:20.18 | Adys | arathi's 30-40 |
| 18:20.20 | Adys | go there |
| 18:20.36 | Shirik | yeah but all the quests I have for there are like 39, 40 |
| 18:20.45 | Shirik | I have one 37 quest, the lowest |
| 18:21.02 | Dashkal | Theramore starts 25ish... |
| 18:21.09 | Dashkal | 35 |
| 18:24.02 | Adys | yeah dustwallow sounds good |
| 18:24.04 | Adys | anyway night |
| 18:26.11 | Shirik | ok thans |
| 18:26.13 | Shirik | thanks |
| 18:26.15 | Shirik | I'll go check them out |
| 18:26.27 | Adys | dustwallow has the new-style quests |
| 18:26.31 | Adys | since itwas added in bc |
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| 19:18.50 | Fisker- | <-invincible |
| 19:19.12 | foxlit | slaps a Fisker- a bit with a large Fisker-. |
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| 19:21.11 | Fisker- | You can't stop me cause i'm on a boat |
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| 19:22.48 | Shirik | wtf is that supposed to mean |
| 19:26.49 | Fisker- | That you can't stop me Shirik |
| 19:26.58 | Fisker- | Because i'm on a boat |
| 19:27.11 | Fisker- | unless you're vin diesel |
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| 19:57.12 | Fisker- | cheats |
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| 19:59.41 | tem | Fisker-, got your flippy floppies? |
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| 20:06.25 | Kraps | what stats are important for a leveling enhancement shammy? |
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| 20:13.32 | jnwhiteh | Is there a way to truncate a string using string.format()? |
| 20:13.46 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.format("%03s", "Monkeys") |
| 20:13.46 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: Monkeys |
| 20:13.49 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.format("%-03s", "Monkeys") |
| 20:13.50 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: Monkeys |
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| 20:13.52 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 20:14.22 | Kraps | how do i use TG anyway? |
| 20:14.48 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: You read the website, or just "use" it.. Didn't I tell you this the other night? |
| 20:16.00 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.*s", 3, "Monkeys") |
| 20:16.00 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: invalid option '%*' to 'format' |
| 20:16.11 | Kraps | the site doesnt really tell you how :/ |
| 20:16.23 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: it used to, my mistake |
| 20:16.29 | jnwhiteh | Tekkub seems to have removed that useful page |
| 20:16.31 | jnwhiteh | you select a guide |
| 20:16.33 | jnwhiteh | and follow the steps |
| 20:16.35 | jnwhiteh | that's all |
| 20:17.53 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.3s", "Monkeys") |
| 20:17.53 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Mon |
| 20:18.00 | Kraps | say i'm in the middle of quests in the wetlands, i still need to start from the beginning of the guide? |
| 20:18.06 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: ^^^ |
| 20:18.08 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: perfect |
| 20:18.13 | foxlit | "WoWs current global table is so overpopulated" |
| 20:18.14 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: finish up, and then move to the next guide |
| 20:18.17 | foxlit | is so upset. |
| 20:18.20 | jnwhiteh | its not meant to just start in the middle of things |
| 20:18.25 | Kraps | ah |
| 20:18.37 | nevcairiel | You can try to tell it which quests you already did |
| 20:18.38 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: remember its going to be bytes not characters though |
| 20:18.48 | nevcairiel | but its quest-order might be totally different |
| 20:19.11 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: yeah, I really need to do "characters", not bytes |
| 20:19.17 | jnwhiteh | anything other than using a utf lib: |
| 20:20.01 | Arrowmaster | umm |
| 20:20.07 | Kraps | back to my original question: what stats are important for a leveling enhancement shammy? |
| 20:20.10 | Arrowmaster | i have a really stupid idea but yeah |
| 20:20.26 | foxlit | Kraps: AP |
| 20:20.36 | foxlit | and anything that gives you AP. Or Crit. Or Stamina. |
| 20:21.01 | Kraps | but there are soooo many spells... |
| 20:21.04 | Kraps | :p |
| 20:21.13 | foxlit | In short, the answer to "what stats are important for leveling" is always "whatever makes you do more damage" |
| 20:21.42 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: alternative, can I limit a FontString to displaying just "x" characters, without having it add the ... when it's too long? |
| 20:21.46 | jnwhiteh | I think there is, but I don't recall at the moment. |
| 20:21.58 | foxlit | Iterate GetStringWidth |
| 20:22.33 | jnwhiteh | yeah that's not a good solution :P |
| 20:22.38 | foxlit | meh |
| 20:23.01 | foxlit | You can set yourself up with a nice metatable for memoization. |
| 20:23.17 | jnwhiteh | that logic would be more complex than any other portion of this addon |
| 20:23.18 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 20:24.28 | foxlit | function GetShortPrefix(long) fs:SetText(long); return fs:GetStringWidth() > limit and GetShortPrefix(long:sub(1, -2)) or long; end |
| 20:24.30 | Arrowmaster | trust me you probably want to use utf8lib over my silly idea |
| 20:25.34 | foxlit | You can always pretend that utf8 does not exist, and people who have it in their characters deserve whatever issue they cause :) |
| 20:25.41 | jnwhiteh | yeah I can :P |
| 20:25.58 | jnwhiteh | that's the current plan of action |
| 20:26.11 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:26.11 | Arrowmaster | except then everybody on a non english realm is screwed |
| 20:26.24 | tem | and that doesn't bother me at all! |
| 20:26.30 | foxlit | screw them, they can use the english alphabet. |
| 20:26.38 | Arrowmaster | no they cant |
| 20:26.40 | foxlit | (or most of them can, anyway) |
| 20:26.55 | foxlit | It's only RU/ZH/TW that are problematic. |
| 20:27.13 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: just copy the functions you need from utf8lib, you shouldnt need much |
| 20:28.14 | jnwhiteh | again, longer than the whole addon atm :P |
| 20:28.23 | jnwhiteh | hrm iterating didn't work.. oddly enough |
| 20:29.07 | foxlit | could need a layout pass before the return value updates |
| 20:29.11 | foxlit | though that'd be evil |
| 20:29.30 | foxlit | (Perhaps it includes truncation with ...? Try without declaring width) |
| 20:29.35 | Thrae | Sigh. I'm only Level 78 and I already went through all the good stuff for WoW. I hate it when I do this. |
| 20:30.42 | foxlit | hm, actually, you might be able to just implement a really short utf8-aware sub |
| 20:30.49 | Kraps | do shammys have HoTs? |
| 20:32.18 | foxlit | the lack of | in lua regex really hurts |
| 20:32.30 | Arrowmaster | more than that |
| 20:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | s/the lack of | in/the lack of/ |
| 20:33.03 | foxlit | What else do you lack, ScytheBlade1? |
| 20:33.05 | Arrowmaster | and the first 3 functions in UTF8.lua are all thats needed |
| 20:33.29 | Arrowmaster | and thats 237 lines with lots of whitespace and comments |
| 20:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: sanity and a pain-free life |
| 20:33.44 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: and that is 80 lines more than this entire addon |
| 20:33.50 | jnwhiteh | so I would consider that excessive :P |
| 20:34.08 | foxlit | as far as I'm concerned, adding | to the pattern syntax in lua would make them regular. |
| 20:34.19 | Arrowmaster | no it wouldnt |
| 20:34.32 | Arrowmaster | still cant do ranges |
| 20:34.51 | foxlit | ranges aren't relevant to calling things regular expressions |
| 20:35.21 | foxlit | If you mean that it won't be completely identical to perl's implementation, perhaps. But it'll still be able to match all regular languages |
| 20:37.18 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: here is my stupid idea |
| 20:37.24 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 20:39.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> local s; local function stupidfunc(i) s = s..i end; s = nil; return string.gsub("Monkeys", "^([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", stupidfunc, 3) |
| 20:39.08 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate upvalue 's' (a nil value) |
| 20:39.29 | Arrowmaster | lua> local s; local function stupidfunc(i) s = s..i end; s = ""; return string.gsub("Monkeys", "^([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", stupidfunc, 3) |
| 20:39.29 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Monkeys, 1 |
| 20:39.33 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 20:40.14 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 20:40.32 | Arrowmaster | lua> local s; local function stupidfunc(i) s = s..i return true end; s = ""; return string.gsub("Monkeys", "^([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", stupidfunc, 3) |
| 20:40.32 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: invalid replacement value (a boolean) |
| 20:40.41 | Arrowmaster | lua> local s; local function stupidfunc(i) s = s..i return "" end; s = ""; return string.gsub("Monkeys", "^([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", stupidfunc, 3) |
| 20:40.41 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: onkeys, 1 |
| 20:40.46 | Arrowmaster | fuck again |
| 20:40.54 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 20:40.59 | Arrowmaster | im doing it wrong anyway |
| 20:41.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> local s; local function stupidfunc(i) s = s..i return "" end; s = ""; string.gsub("Monkeys", "^([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", stupidfunc, 3) return s |
| 20:41.09 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: M |
| 20:41.40 | Arrowmaster | ok im done, i give up |
| 20:42.05 | Arrowmaster | lua> local s; local function stupidfunc(i) s = s..i return "" end; s = ""; string.gsub("Monkeys", "([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", stupidfunc, 3) return s |
| 20:42.05 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Mon |
| 20:42.10 | foxlit | You kind of need | |
| 20:42.13 | Arrowmaster | i take that back |
| 20:42.31 | foxlit | Since that isn't the only case |
| 20:42.33 | Arrowmaster | its destructive to the original string though |
| 20:43.14 | Arrowmaster | lua> local s; local function stupidfunc(i) s = s..i return "" end; s = ""; string.gsub("öóÃúüþ®éåä", "([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", stupidfunc, 3) return s |
| 20:43.14 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: öóà |
| 20:43.25 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: do i win a cookie? |
| 20:43.48 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 20:45.06 | Arrowmaster | let me clean it up |
| 20:48.52 | Arrowmaster | lua> local utf8sub; do; local s; local function utf8sub_helper(i) s=s..i return "" end; function utf8sub(str, len) s = ""; string.gsub(str, "([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", utf8sub_helper, len); return s; end; end; return utf8sub("öóÃúüþ®éåä", 3) |
| 20:48.52 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 20:49.32 | foxlit | (you don't have to return "" in helper function) |
| 20:50.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> local utf8sub; do; local s; local function utf8sub_helper(i) s=s..i; return "" end; function utf8sub(str, len) s = ""; string.gsub(str, "([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", utf8sub_helper, len) return s end end; return utf8sub("öóÃúüþ®éåä", 3) |
| 20:50.09 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 20:50.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> local utf8sub do local s local function utf8sub_helper(i) s=s..i return "" end function utf8sub(str, len) s = "" string.gsub(str, "([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", utf8sub_helper, len) return s end end return utf8sub("öóÃúüþ®éåä", 3) |
| 20:50.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: öóà |
| 20:51.02 | Arrowmaster | "Returns a copy of s in which all (or the first n, if given) occurrences of the pattern have been replaced by a replacement string specified by repl, which can be a string, a table, or a function. gsub also returns, as its second value, the total number of matches that occurred. " |
| 20:51.04 | Arrowmaster | you do too |
| 20:51.25 | Arrowmaster | lua> local utf8sub do local s local function utf8sub_helper(i) s=s..i end function utf8sub(str, len) s = "" string.gsub(str, "([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)", utf8sub_helper, len) return s end end return utf8sub("öóÃúüþ®éåä", 3) |
| 20:51.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: öóà |
| 20:51.28 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 20:51.43 | Arrowmaster | ok guess you dont but the manual makes it sound like you do |
| 20:51.57 | foxlit | I don't think so. |
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| 20:52.34 | foxlit | "([\192-\255]?%a?[\128-\191]*)" is also ".[\128-\191]*" |
| 20:53.08 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 20:53.12 | foxlit | (I'm being slightly evil with by disrespecting the definition of %a, but that's how :sub() behaves) |
| 20:53.20 | Xinhuan | nerds! |
| 20:53.33 | Arrowmaster | %a is [A-Za-z] |
| 20:53.44 | foxlit | "If the value returned by the table query or by the function call is a string or a number, then it is used as the replacement string; otherwise, if it is false or nil, then there is no replacement (that is, the original match is kept in the string)." |
| 20:54.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm doing it with reasonable validation anyway :P |
| 20:54.56 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: did you steal my idea? |
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| 20:55.15 | Xinhuan | its not patented, so it can't be stolen :P |
| 20:55.22 | Arrowmaster | i cant believe i one lined that |
| 20:55.27 | jnwhiteh | no, manually checking leading charafcter |
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| 21:01.21 | jnwhiteh | http://cladhaire.pastey.net/111174 |
| 21:02.13 | jnwhiteh | not the prettiest, but it works |
| 21:02.59 | Arrowmaster | vB doesnt like à |
| 21:03.15 | jnwhiteh | Ã boo |
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| 21:04.08 | jnwhiteh | yay |
| 21:04.12 | jnwhiteh | now it displays as much of the char name as it can |
| 21:04.36 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b07325445e8009dfa82b5f4a0cd5612b.png |
| 21:05.13 | jnwhiteh | http://cladhaire.pastey.net/111175 |
| 21:05.46 | foxlit | Did you figure out what the issue with GetStringWidth was originally? |
| 21:06.02 | jnwhiteh | no, actually |
| 21:06.05 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 21:06.06 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 21:06.09 | jnwhiteh | it was returning the right answer |
| 21:06.11 | jnwhiteh | but in this case |
| 21:06.17 | jnwhiteh | ? which is what an invalid UTF char shows up as |
| 21:06.20 | jnwhiteh | is not as wide as ø |
| 21:06.29 | jnwhiteh | so it was returning Gn? instead of Gnø |
| 21:06.33 | foxlit | ah, so lack of proper truncation killed it |
| 21:06.39 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 21:06.52 | Xinhuan | in other words, lack of utf8 awareness killed it? |
| 21:06.54 | jnwhiteh | so i needed a utf8 aware string.sub |
| 21:06.57 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 21:07.30 | jnwhiteh | well |
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| 21:12.08 | PProvost | jnwhiteh: you should put that up in the snippets on your site |
| 21:12.13 | PProvost | And GetStringWidth too |
| 21:12.15 | PProvost | :) |
| 21:12.19 | jnwhiteh | GetStringWidth is there |
| 21:12.30 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontString/GetStringWidth |
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| 21:14.33 | Xinhuan | you should probably add a section dedicated to UTF8 issues |
| 21:15.10 | jnwhiteh | well I can address UTF-8 in this chapter |
| 21:15.15 | jnwhiteh | it's been discussed a little bit before |
| 21:15.25 | jnwhiteh | but this code is small, and lets me easily explain how we can try to work around it |
| 21:15.30 | jnwhiteh | and point to pasta's full lib as a good example |
| 21:16.32 | Xinhuan | i don't think there is actually ANY wow function that is utf8 aware |
| 21:16.41 | Xinhuan | except maybe for string.upper and lower? |
| 21:17.19 | Zootfizzle | Hmm |
| 21:17.37 | jnwhiteh | dunnos |
| 21:18.04 | Zootfizzle | scribbles furiously :) |
| 21:18.12 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 21:18.18 | Xinhuan | aha, appears my question go zoot's attention |
| 21:18.22 | Xinhuan | got* |
| 21:18.55 | Xinhuan | perhaps wow functions can be made utf8 aware, given the amount of languages it has to support |
| 21:19.42 | Arrowmaster` | upper and lower are utf aware |
| 21:19.45 | soufron | hello |
| 21:19.54 | Zootfizzle | That sounds like a horrible plan! |
| 21:19.55 | Arrowmaster` | although when i first noticed it they werent completely aware |
| 21:20.14 | Xinhuan | horrible... for you maybe /chuckle :) |
| 21:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Zoot: are your sectors corp friendly yet? ;) |
| 21:20.37 | Arrowmaster` | changing the strings library other than upper and lower would break major things, if it was done it would need to be made as new functions |
| 21:20.54 | Xinhuan | new functions are perfectly fine |
| 21:21.02 | Xinhuan | just like that new table.wipe() |
| 21:21.12 | Xinhuan | no issue there! |
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| 21:21.45 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: The important one is |
| 21:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
| 21:22.02 | Kraps | erm, theres no arathi highlands guide for the alliance |
| 21:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | So if I fly in I won't die again? ;) |
| 21:22.17 | Zootfizzle | In theory, I don't know what sort of pilot you are xD |
| 21:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol point |
| 21:22.44 | Zootfizzle | has learned not to make life or death promises :P |
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| 21:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:23.05 | Arrowmaster | im going back to watching A-Team on hulu |
| 21:23.10 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll find out in a second! |
| 21:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, didn't die |
| 21:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo |
| 21:23.54 | krka | clever stuff jnwhiteh, but if you feel ambitious you can also go for binary searching and caching the queries per name :) |
| 21:24.04 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 21:24.16 | jnwhiteh | easier to explain to the reader is better in this case |
| 21:24.28 | jnwhiteh | i wish i could teach them HOW i write algorithms, but there's not much likelihood of that :P |
| 21:24.45 | krka | true |
| 21:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you writing exactly? |
| 21:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: no idea how to accept |
| 21:24.52 | jnwhiteh | the book? |
| 21:24.53 | krka | i'd hate to see that code in a live addon though |
| 21:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Which? |
| 21:25.07 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: Second Edition of wowprogramming |
| 21:25.16 | jnwhiteh | krka: meh, the overhead for what we're talking about is negligable |
| 21:25.18 | jnwhiteh | to say the least |
| 21:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 21:25.40 | krka | hm |
| 21:25.50 | jnwhiteh | its only used for names |
| 21:25.52 | krka | repeated SetText and GetStringWidth though |
| 21:26.07 | jnwhiteh | so it is called on UNIT_NAME_UPDATE and when a unit is given a new button |
| 21:26.10 | krka | though i have no idea how often that runs |
| 21:26.15 | jnwhiteh | not often at all |
| 21:26.16 | krka | ah, that's fine then i suppose |
| 21:26.23 | krka | won't be noticable |
| 21:26.25 | krka | on any computer |
| 21:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: don't worry about it |
| 21:28.02 | Zootfizzle | Nah |
| 21:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 21:28.09 | Zootfizzle | I won't anymore :) |
| 21:28.13 | Xinhuan | if i wasn't mistaken, UNIT_NAME_UPDATE fires heaps in a BG |
| 21:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I have 11k turns to blow on trading |
| 21:28.18 | Xinhuan | or has that changed? |
| 21:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, okay okay |
| 21:28.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Fine |
| 21:29.08 | Xinhuan | specifically, if i remember correctly... UNIT_NAME or something was fired for every unit on a aoe rez |
| 21:29.15 | Xinhuan | including their pets |
| 21:30.05 | Xinhuan | and was one of those bugs in the secureheaders i found years back that locked up unit frames on zoning into AV |
| 21:31.29 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: testing now :P; |
| 21:31.45 | jnwhiteh | but I can cache that too to avoid it |
| 21:32.39 | krka | jnwhiteh: is it possible to set the text-part really wide, and then clip it off somehow? |
| 21:33.42 | jnwhiteh | krka: no |
| 21:33.48 | jnwhiteh | that's why all of this is necessary =/ |
| 21:33.52 | jnwhiteh | it adds "..." at the end |
| 21:34.11 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: it fires twice per unit on AOE res |
| 21:34.15 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: so yes, I shall cache this :P |
| 21:34.21 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 21:34.55 | Xinhuan | the thing is that event is registered in the secureheaders, so if 10 ppl rezzed, that fired 20-30 events and each one did a full group header update |
| 21:35.48 | Xinhuan | so i got all unitframe addons to work around it by unregistering that (mostly useless) event |
| 21:35.48 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 21:35.48 | jnwhiteh | did we report that to Blizzard |
| 21:35.48 | jnwhiteh | so its fixed in the new template? :P |
| 21:36.47 | Xinhuan | i didn't report it |
| 21:37.01 | Xinhuan | but i made a post that alerted almost all unitframe authors to unregister it |
| 21:37.02 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 21:37.03 | jnwhiteh | i'll check |
| 21:37.11 | jnwhiteh | i didn't see the post :P |
| 21:37.17 | Xinhuan | that was 2+ years ago anyhow |
| 21:37.25 | Xinhuan | and i haven't looked at secureheaders again since then |
| 21:38.50 | jnwhiteh | nope, still registered |
| 21:39.00 | jnwhiteh | this is why not reporting things is bad mkay |
| 21:39.02 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 21:39.26 | jnwhiteh | actually |
| 21:39.29 | jnwhiteh | it only fires for pets |
| 21:39.34 | jnwhiteh | which it needs to |
| 21:39.43 | jnwhiteh | and in some other cases |
| 21:39.45 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 21:39.54 | Xinhuan | yeah but if i remember the code, it forced a full group update |
| 21:40.02 | Xinhuan | rather than just updating say the name |
| 21:40.14 | jnwhiteh | well if you're sorting by name |
| 21:40.21 | jnwhiteh | you need to |
| 21:40.26 | jnwhiteh | and every configuration _can_ sort by name |
| 21:40.51 | Xinhuan | yah, that's the primary reason |
| 21:42.58 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/misc/snippets/utf8_stringsub |
| 21:43.41 | mikma | oh snip! |
| 21:44.14 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_033009_003834.jpg |
| 21:47.02 | selckin | i made a fish wall in naxx the other day when i was bored :\ |
| 21:48.56 | mikma | jnwhiteh: remember to create a link for that snippet in the snippet frontpage |
| 21:49.07 | jnwhiteh | i know |
| 21:49.11 | jnwhiteh | that's not necessary on the new site |
| 21:49.19 | mikma | new site? |
| 21:49.28 | jnwhiteh | new version |
| 21:49.34 | mikma | when, how, when, what?!? |
| 21:49.37 | mikma | etc etc |
| 21:51.23 | jnwhiteh | next few weeks |
| 21:51.26 | jnwhiteh | not much will be noticable |
| 21:51.28 | jnwhiteh | but that will be one of them |
| 21:53.50 | jnwhiteh | so who wants to give me a tutorial on the threat system. I just want to color the player's name depending on their threat sit (i.e. red, yellow, whatever) |
| 21:54.16 | jnwhiteh | I assume i need UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE |
| 21:54.18 | mikma | jnwhiteh: simple version, too much gives you aggro = you might die. lol!! |
| 21:54.23 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitThreatSituation |
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| 21:54.52 | jnwhiteh | no way to check their threat situation against any mobs? |
| 21:55.00 | jnwhiteh | oh, its optional |
| 21:55.01 | jnwhiteh | so yes :P |
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| 21:55.26 | Anaral | Is there a location where I can get an example of how to keep recipe info from doubling? |
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| 21:56.58 | Arrowmaster | use a flag so you only display it once on OnTooltipSetItem, you clear the flag on OnTooltipClear |
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| 21:58.34 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 21:58.43 | jnwhiteh | no unit arg sent with UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE? |
| 21:59.03 | jnwhiteh | oh nvm |
| 22:02.14 | Xinhuan | it is with an arg1 |
| 22:02.29 | Xinhuan | but its not all that useful, since you still have to iterate everything to find out what changed |
| 22:02.55 | jnwhiteh | how so? |
| 22:03.19 | jnwhiteh | works fine for me! |
| 22:05.21 | Xinhuan | depends on context ;p |
| 22:06.00 | Xinhuan | for me, i use it as just an event to refresh omen3 (i.e reiterate all players on target mob) |
| 22:06.24 | jnwhiteh | my use is much simpler |
| 22:07.16 | jnwhiteh | show red, orange, yellow depending on everyone's global situation :P |
| 22:07.57 | foxlit | If you ever see that code turn things orange, update the wiki |
| 22:08.17 | Xinhuan | its worth noting that UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE only fires on "focus" and "target" units |
| 22:08.24 | Xinhuan | at least, i don't remember seeing it fire for any other unit |
| 22:08.34 | jnwhiteh | i only want UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE |
| 22:08.43 | jnwhiteh | i think that does what I want, right? |
| 22:09.07 | jnwhiteh | perhaps not =/ |
| 22:10.01 | Xinhuan | UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE: Fired when a unit's threat situation changes. The unit that had a change in threat situation is the first parameter of the event. Note that this only triggers when major state changes, not when the raw threat values change. |
| 22:10.38 | Xinhuan | there's some bugs with vehicles and threat at least, that isn't consistent |
| 22:11.32 | Xinhuan | when doing say the storm peaks frosthold daily (kill 16 wyrms on an eagle one), you will rarely get UnitDetailedThreatSituation("target", "vehicle") to return anything other than nil |
| 22:11.44 | Xinhuan | but soemtimes it does return value numbers... by sometimes i mean like once in a blue moon |
| 22:11.48 | Xinhuan | valid* |
| 22:12.17 | Xinhuan | then when the target dies, you get like 3 events per player targetting it |
| 22:12.19 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 22:13.06 | Xinhuan | UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE would fire for like "player" "party1" or "raid1", "pet", "vehicle", "focus" |
| 22:13.12 | Xinhuan | even if those unitIDs refer to the same unit |
| 22:13.34 | Xinhuan | i mean UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE |
| 22:14.03 | Xinhuan | so in a situation where 25 raid members and 5 pets are targetting a unit and it dies, you get spammed by 50 events at one go |
| 22:14.21 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 22:14.24 | jnwhiteh | that's fine, I want that in this case |
| 22:14.27 | jnwhiteh | its a cheap update |
| 22:20.04 | jnwhiteh | Wish there was a good way to do range checks.updates other than onupdate |
| 22:20.09 | jnwhiteh | but understand why we can't :P |
| 22:20.23 | jnwhiteh | wow.. what is swatter doing OnUpdate? |
| 22:20.46 | jnwhiteh | not nearly as much as bartender4, lol |
| 22:21.23 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 22:21.41 | Xinhuan | swatter onupdate what? |
| 22:22.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah that's what I said |
| 22:22.33 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't use any libs right? |
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| 22:36.23 | Aqua | Anyone know if there is a way to restrict RAWR to like plate or mail? |
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| 22:45.29 | Xinhuan | look in filters |
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| 22:46.55 | devZero | can anyone recommend some good utilities for getting raid/guild data to a non guildomatic, or guildportal type website.... |
| 22:47.13 | Syzgyn | devZero: what data? |
| 22:47.39 | devZero | things like roster, raid attendance / scheduling, dkp ( not really required ) |
| 22:48.04 | devZero | I could ofc write something myself, but I'm lazy :/ |
| 22:48.15 | Syzgyn | Check out Headcount for raid attendance/dkp |
| 22:48.46 | Industrial | then use wws for attendance, the ingame calendar for scheduling, the armory for a roster and well hmm my guild has its own dkp system :P |
| 22:48.56 | Industrial | (if you are lazy, that is :D) |
| 22:50.11 | Syzgyn | roster can easily be pulled with an armory script, but I'm not sure of the need to have it off the armory :P |
| 22:50.34 | Industrial | idd |
| 22:50.51 | Industrial | all information on everyone ingame is already oht there bare naked anyway |
| 22:51.03 | Industrial | out* |
| 22:51.36 | selckin | hmm normally takes 32seconds, with the profiler i've been waiting 20 min so far :\ |
| 22:51.38 | Syzgyn | Naked Indy is naked! |
| 22:51.51 | devZero | hmmm, thanks for the info |
| 22:51.55 | Industrial | eek! close the door! |
| 22:52.02 | devZero | guess I'll just write some xml import cron jobs for the moment |
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| 22:52.35 | Industrial | devZero: yo do know about wowwebstats (wws) right? |
| 22:52.49 | devZero | I checked it out... but haven't found much use for it as of yet |
| 22:52.56 | devZero | just signed up a few minutes ago though |
| 22:53.14 | Arrowmaster | dont pay a dime for it |
| 22:53.25 | Industrial | er, yes. |
| 22:53.47 | devZero | it just looks like a reporting tool to me |
| 22:53.57 | devZero | don't even see anything about buying |
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| 22:54.18 | devZero | and it appears to only report, to wowwebstats.com |
| 22:54.37 | Industrial | you can see hat anyone was doing in any raid, spot who doesnt keep his buffs up etc |
| 22:55.41 | devZero | this is all new to me... myself, and some other just left a guild, and decided to go on our own... so many tools, so little time |
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| 22:58.43 | Industrial | I'm no guild leader so I wouldnt know. I suck ass at organizing :p |
| 22:59.02 | Industrial | and now, bed! |
| 22:59.12 | foxlit | what's this, bed?! |
| 22:59.19 | foxlit | It's not even 1am! |
| 22:59.26 | Industrial | correct |
| 22:59.28 | tekkub | it's that thing people except indie have sex in |
| 23:00.06 | Industrial | however, now it is |
| 23:00.12 | Industrial | nn |
| 23:00.37 | foxlit | # And she'll say "It's not your fault... or is it?" |
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| 23:07.12 | foxlit | wonders why the shuffled playlist is playing a third Jonathan Coulton song in a row. |
| 23:07.43 | Arrowmaster | winamp? |
| 23:07.43 | End | I'm terrible at spelling |
| 23:07.50 | foxlit | itunes |
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| 23:22.15 | Shirik | How you know your code is very broken |
| 23:22.28 | Shirik | error C2148: total size of array must not exceed 0x7fffffff bytes |
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| 23:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of bytes |
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| 23:26.26 | Shirik | Here we go |
| 23:27.10 | Shirik | error C2732: linkage specification contradicts earlier specification for 'getGISGrid' |
| 23:27.17 | Shirik | (line 89) |
| 23:27.25 | Shirik | The next message is a hint: |
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| 23:27.38 | Shirik | (89) : see declaration of 'getGISGrid' |
| 23:27.44 | Shirik | It's saying it contradicts itself |
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| 23:36.21 | Aznamir | hi all |
| 23:37.23 | Syzgyn | yo |
| 23:37.35 | Aznamir | Is there a RosterLib replacement that supports ace3 or rock? |
| 23:37.52 | Arrowmaster | no because the entire rosterlib was crap |
| 23:38.03 | Aznamir | any alternative for it? |
| 23:38.10 | Syzgyn | What did it do again? |
| 23:38.12 | Arrowmaster | you dont even need it |
| 23:38.38 | Aznamir | Well, I need something to update a list of raid members and sort them by group or class |
| 23:38.52 | Syzgyn | Why do you need a lib for that? |
| 23:38.56 | Arrowmaster | you dont |
| 23:38.57 | Aznamir | and I'm not don't really anxious to write it myself |
| 23:39.08 | Syzgyn | Its like, 10 lines of code |
| 23:41.32 | Aznamir | hmm.. where do I start? |
| 23:42.56 | Syzgyn | Sorry, 6 lines |
| 23:42.58 | Syzgyn | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111180 |
| 23:44.19 | Aznamir | well, it is one-time collection... does not handle updates |
| 23:44.24 | Aznamir | >.> |
| 23:45.15 | Syzgyn | If it updates, run it again? |
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| 23:47.42 | Arrowmaster | why the hell do you even need a constantly sorted list of the raid? |
| 23:48.17 | Aznamir | It does not have to be sorted, but it has to be separated into class/group buckets |
| 23:48.57 | Syzgyn | So you have an array for each bucket I assume? |
| 23:49.01 | Syzgyn | or something similar |
| 23:49.02 | Aznamir | yeah |
| 23:49.22 | Syzgyn | run through the raid, check the unit class and add it to the appropriate bucket then |
| 23:53.09 | Aznamir | all right, gonna try that |
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