| 00:00.08 | Dashkal | bleeter: that was my daily yesterday... |
| 00:00.38 | bleeter | also |
| 00:00.54 | bleeter | it's called the dalaran swers.. but I've yet to see a dalaran cigar anywhere |
| 00:01.11 | bleeter | *sewers |
| 00:01.40 | bleeter | (Bondi cigar was a colloquialism for .. something.. back before the sewer outfall at bondi beach was moved way further out) |
| 00:02.07 | bleeter | and why do allies get the only operational outhouse? |
| 00:02.30 | Dagmar | Clearly you have not looked into this closely. |
| 00:02.34 | bleeter | clearly blizz favour alliance and think horde are full of it |
| 00:02.46 | Dagmar | The outhouse is not a good thing. |
| 00:03.16 | Tewan | Referring to the hover-over link for addon info thing I was talking about, http://tewan.info/chromewowintissue.jpg |
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| 00:12.37 | Dewin | Hmm. |
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| 00:13.00 | Dewin | Does WoW search for .toc files in addon subfolders, or just the main folder itself? |
| 00:13.49 | Tekkub | just <addon>/<addon>.toc |
| 00:14.30 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:14.36 | WobWork | upcoming teefury tshirts: http://origin.ih.constantcontact.com/fs047/1102286017400/img/4.jpg?a=1102523736069 |
| 00:14.40 | WobWork | I like the obama one =) |
| 00:14.43 | ckknight | just the main and just if it shares the name of the folder |
| 00:14.46 | Dewin | I'm pondering seeing what would happen to loading times if I had some way to find and remove all the duplicate .lua files I had from, say, embedded libs. |
| 00:14.54 | Dewin | and memory usage. |
| 00:15.19 | Tekkub | WobWork, uhm, key? |
| 00:15.44 | WobWork | key? |
| 00:15.52 | Dewin | but first I need to find a reliable way to find all files used by a given addon |
| 00:15.56 | WobWork | hm, if it doesn't show, I'll have to rehost it |
| 00:16.03 | Tekkub | s/e/a/ |
| 00:16.18 | WobWork | pats Tekkub on the head. Go back to your den |
| 00:21.21 | Tekkub | hrm... DK's use spell hit? |
| 00:21.23 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Virulence |
| 00:21.46 | Tekkub | I thought they were "pure" melee, or is it only that shit scales with AP instead of SP? |
| 00:23.13 | selckin | hit is hit |
| 00:23.14 | Aznamir | So I sent a comment to WoWmatrix to remove my addon |
| 00:23.25 | selckin | and the with spells i a bit blurred |
| 00:23.49 | Aznamir | These sneaky bastards removed it from the website list, but did not remove it from the updater list |
| 00:26.04 | WobWork | Tekkub: yeah, we technically need about 11% hit cap for spells |
| 00:26.32 | Tekkub | thanks WobWork |
| 00:26.48 | WobWork | (although that may be with raid buffs (boomkin and the like)) |
| 00:26.56 | Tekkub | selckin, attack tables are not the same for spells and melee :P |
| 00:27.11 | Tekkub | WobWork, yea probably |
| 00:27.16 | WobWork | and yeah, we don't use spellpower |
| 00:27.18 | WobWork | only AP |
| 00:27.22 | Tekkub | my point is, it's not the 8% melee hit cap |
| 00:27.30 | Tekkub | for "spells" |
| 00:27.40 | WobWork | aye |
| 00:27.42 | Tekkub | also, my bank hates me |
| 00:27.50 | WobWork | banks... like... people? |
| 00:28.00 | Tekkub | they *finally* add pending transaction info after like a decade... |
| 00:28.11 | Tekkub | and they REMOVE the .ofx download format |
| 00:28.17 | Tekkub | .qif blows |
| 00:29.28 | Dashkal | facepalm |
| 00:29.30 | Dashkal | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/15973488214-questhelper-classed-as-banable-after-31.html |
| 00:29.42 | Tekkub | and they added all this retarded "multi factor login" bullshit that you of course cannot turn off |
| 00:29.55 | Tekkub | hi, I WANT to be able to automatically log in |
| 00:30.06 | Dagmar | amn |
| 00:30.16 | Dagmar | er Damn. Even mmo-champion is trolling? Sad |
| 00:30.55 | Tekkub | for the love of god, if you answer an idiot like that, the only acceptable answer is "your account is now band, good day" |
| 00:32.32 | WobWork | Dagmar: isn't that just their bluetracker? |
| 00:32.40 | WobWork | it's not mmochamp's material there |
| 00:32.54 | WobWork | unless it's their sockpuppet on the forums =P |
| 00:33.23 | Thunder_Child | odd...i just got an achievement and the date is set for 3/27/09 |
| 00:33.48 | Thunder_Child | actually 3 of them |
| 00:37.34 | WobWork | but...it -is- the 27th |
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| 00:38.02 | WobWork | perhaps your server time is ahead of you |
| 00:41.54 | Thunder_Child | nope WobWork, same time |
| 00:42.14 | Bibi | [01:29:58] <Dagmar> er Damn. Even mmo-champion is trolling? Sad |
| 00:42.16 | Bibi | wait wat? |
| 00:42.35 | WobWork | I think Dagmar misunderstood the context |
| 00:42.44 | Thunder_Child | do you have that on ping status Bibi? |
| 00:42.46 | Tekkub | heh, I love people that can't do math |
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| 00:43.20 | Thunder_Child | ~trumpet Shirik |
| 00:43.22 | WobWork | Tekkub: so do I, they pay our bills by having to buy our software =P |
| 00:43.28 | Thunder_Child | and fail yet again |
| 00:43.44 | Tekkub | "If you are melee hit capped at 9% [I hear it's 8% now?] and have this talent [3%] and a boomkin or spriest [3%], you're spell hit capped! [17%]" |
| 00:44.03 | Tekkub | 9 + 3 + 3 == 17 !!!! |
| 00:45.03 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:45.14 | WobWork | they've kinda missed the whole 11% thing there =P |
| 00:45.30 | WobWork | (and yeah, it's 8% for 2handers) |
| 00:45.52 | WobWork | I originally thought it was 9, myself, but apparently not |
| 00:45.57 | WobWork | which meant I could regem! =) |
| 00:47.26 | Tekkub | yea from what I've heard it's 8% for normal/2H and somewhere between (8.2%) for specials these days |
| 00:47.29 | Aqua | why do people act so stupid on malygos |
| 00:47.31 | Aqua | why why why |
| 00:47.39 | Tekkub | but the specials is still kinda unconfirmed |
| 00:48.10 | WobWork | really? hm, I was under the impression the 8 was for yellows |
| 00:48.22 | WobWork | has another look into EJ |
| 00:49.47 | Tekkub | *shrug* it all hurts my brain |
| 00:50.02 | Tekkub | oh, spell HR and melee HR have different coeffiecents |
| 00:50.26 | Dagmar | Aqua: Because reading the tooltips is too hard for them to manage |
| 00:50.56 | Dagmar | WobWork: It's absolutely eight freaking percent for hunters |
| 00:51.05 | Tekkub | so +8% melee ~= 10% spell |
| 00:51.11 | Dagmar | I have personally let my toon empty a whole 28-slot bag full of ammo |
| 00:51.20 | Tekkub | +6%, maybe a draenei for =1 |
| 00:51.24 | Tekkub | +1% |
| 00:51.53 | WobWork | Dagmar: cool =) |
| 00:51.58 | Dagmar | Dranei aura makes it effectively 7 |
| 00:52.05 | Tekkub | the PTR back up yet? I need to make a DK to check this shit out |
| 00:52.12 | WobWork | and hunters have a 3% talent |
| 00:52.16 | Tekkub | wait, dur, can do that on live too now |
| 00:52.21 | Dagmar | Not that I was really planning on using the whole bag, but I just got distracted |
| 00:52.32 | Tekkub | do hunters use spell hit at all? |
| 00:52.37 | Tekkub | yes, I'm a bad hunter |
| 00:52.41 | Dagmar | WobWork: Until 3.1, and after we've confirmed that this actually happened, it'll be more worthwhile |
| 00:52.47 | WobWork | notafiak |
| 00:52.50 | Tekkub | I thought they only had to worry about the ranged tables |
| 00:52.52 | Dagmar | Right now Focused Aim is not so great, since it has no effect on the pet's ability to hit |
| 00:53.00 | WobWork | Still bugged, eh? |
| 00:53.13 | Dagmar | It's supposedly being fixed/changed so Focused Aim affects the pet as well |
| 00:53.14 | Tekkub | my pet doesn't need hit, it's a fucking bear |
| 00:53.23 | Tekkub | you really can't miss with a bear |
| 00:53.50 | Tekkub | remembers the fake 3.1 notes... "Mobs can no longer dodge pets" |
| 00:53.50 | Dagmar | You can miss exactly 3% of the time with the bear if you're counting on Focused Aim and your hit rating is 263. |
| 00:54.03 | Tekkub | Dagmarfail |
| 00:54.09 | Dagmar | ...although I suspect it might be more |
| 00:54.17 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 00:54.44 | WobWork | Dagmar: Tekkub is trying to be meta =P Cause he like... -likes- bears |
| 00:54.54 | Tekkub | unless the mob is like super dodgey, it's not gonna be able to get out of the way when you throw your bear at it |
| 00:55.10 | Dagmar | You're using the bear wrong. |
| 00:55.22 | Dagmar | First you load it into your gun, THEN you *fire* it at the mob |
| 00:55.32 | WobWork | that's only if you have a pink bear gun |
| 00:55.36 | WobWork | and only if the bear is pink |
| 00:55.41 | Dagmar | Higest ranged DPS weapon: [Bear-shooting Rifle] |
| 00:55.51 | Tekkub | you ever tried physics? gun can't impart enough energy to move that much mass |
| 00:56.07 | Tekkub | now a bear cannon, sure, but hunters can't use cannons |
| 00:56.17 | WobWork | sure we can |
| 00:56.23 | WobWork | I got one from strath the other day |
| 00:56.39 | Tekkub | that's like a cub-cannon at best |
| 00:56.44 | Tekkub | and I have it too ^^ |
| 00:56.58 | WobWork | maybe if you stand real far back, the bear will have time to mature before impact |
| 00:57.02 | Dagmar | It fires core puppies |
| 00:57.03 | Tekkub | got it and the piccolo of flaming homos on the same screwoff run |
| 00:57.31 | WobWork | I had to go run Scarlet Monestary |
| 00:57.42 | WobWork | cause I forgot to do it the first time round for the key |
| 00:57.46 | Dagmar | The damn dog whistle has charges now |
| 00:57.50 | WobWork | damnit =( |
| 00:58.18 | Dagmar | Still no cooldown-sharing with all the other crap tho |
| 00:58.33 | WobWork | how does pet hit rating get calculated for caster pets? |
| 00:58.39 | WobWork | like the flying snake |
| 00:59.12 | Dagmar | Servant, dog, snakes, lil cannon, Archmage Vargoth. You can really clutter up the area if you try hard |
| 00:59.49 | Dagmar | WobWork: Being that no one's screaming "We have to stack spell-hit TOO? OMG!" Id' say they're working on attack power and normal hit rating |
| 00:59.59 | WobWork | sounds good |
| 01:00.00 | Tekkub | so now, all this talk of +hit |
| 01:00.08 | Tekkub | I need a damn name for my attack tables addon |
| 01:00.14 | Dagmar | You can always stand in front of the heroic dummy and let your pet chew on it for an hour |
| 01:00.20 | WobWork | I was reading about having a snake as artillery backup for a dps hunter |
| 01:00.24 | Tekkub | I'm like addon namer's block here |
| 01:00.32 | WobWork | what's it do exactly, Tekk? |
| 01:00.47 | WobWork | Cause I have a name in mind =P |
| 01:01.09 | Dagmar | WobWork: Not so effective. They like to spend a bit of time fiddling about with their range from the target |
| 01:01.30 | WobWork | Dagmar: hm, what if they're not on autocast? |
| 01:01.47 | Tekkub | WobWork, it figures out your attack tables |
| 01:01.49 | Dagmar | Then you're probably looking at a surplus of focus |
| 01:01.55 | Tekkub | melee, ranged, defense, spells |
| 01:02.00 | WobWork | "I'dHitThat" |
| 01:02.04 | Dagmar | Oh yes |
| 01:02.05 | Tekkub | gives you a neat lil tooltip in the char frame |
| 01:02.06 | Dagmar | That's a good name |
| 01:02.13 | theorbtwo | Nice. |
| 01:02.15 | Tekkub | that'd work |
| 01:02.27 | Tekkub | maybe just HitThat? |
| 01:02.39 | Dagmar | Guys who are such innocents that they don't even get the joke would install that |
| 01:02.40 | WobWork | Well actually, we can have spaces in the name.. |
| 01:02.55 | Tekkub | well I can do it in the title yea |
| 01:03.03 | ckknight | IdHitThat, imo |
| 01:03.05 | Tekkub | but idHitThat looks like and Industrial addon |
| 01:03.09 | Tekkub | and screw that! |
| 01:03.10 | WobWork | hehe |
| 01:03.12 | WobWork | sotrue |
| 01:03.34 | Tekkub | IWouldHitThat |
| 01:03.35 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 01:03.51 | flugh | HitItIWouldIndeed |
| 01:04.02 | flugh | (for the Yoda fans) |
| 01:04.04 | WobWork | ForsoothWouldITotallyHitThat |
| 01:04.40 | WobWork | Dagmar: maybe macro the lightning bolt into your shots? =) |
| 01:05.09 | Dagmar | I'll stick with using my gorilla cat and wolf |
| 01:05.14 | WobWork | Dagmar: perhaps an experiment for when I hit 80 |
| 01:05.21 | WobWork | I love my gorilla |
| 01:05.26 | WobWork | but he can't keep aggro =( |
| 01:05.34 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 01:05.47 | Dagmar | Turn off cower |
| 01:05.52 | WobWork | oh it's off |
| 01:05.52 | Dagmar | ...turn on growl. |
| 01:05.56 | WobWork | and that's on |
| 01:06.04 | Dagmar | Then stop focus-firing. |
| 01:06.07 | WobWork | but one explosive shot triplecrit and =( |
| 01:06.16 | Tekkub | ICritMyPants could work too |
| 01:06.19 | Dagmar | Yeah see the point of the gorilladin is the AOE. |
| 01:06.28 | Tekkub | maybe I will do idHitThat just as an inside joke |
| 01:06.36 | WobWork | even if I just volley, I can pull aggro |
| 01:06.38 | Dagmar | You will be able to focus fire and pull aggro off just about *any* pet |
| 01:06.43 | WobWork | and that's after waiting for ages |
| 01:06.52 | Dagmar | WobWork: Your healers must just freaking hate you |
| 01:07.04 | WobWork | Dagmar: hehe, I'm not 80 yet |
| 01:07.15 | WobWork | but generally I FD before pulling aggro |
| 01:07.23 | WobWork | or burn the mob down before it reaches me |
| 01:07.26 | Dagmar | It's generally not until 80 and you get uber-geared that you'll have Volley pulling aggro from the gorilla in a hurry |
| 01:07.35 | Dagmar | Either that or you're standing in the volley cast area |
| 01:07.36 | Dagmar | Try some range |
| 01:07.44 | WobWork | I'm just at around 30% crit |
| 01:07.49 | Dagmar | 21% crit |
| 01:08.09 | Dagmar | Let the gorilla get three thunderstomps in and you shouldn't have an aggro problem |
| 01:08.22 | Dagmar | If you do it before then, no wonder you're getting aggro |
| 01:08.45 | Wraithan | Guess it is time to sell some saronite |
| 01:08.59 | Wraithan | just hit 2k saronite between my bank toon and my miner |
| 01:09.04 | WobWork | hm, I like gorilla cause he can handle adds relatively easily |
| 01:09.22 | WobWork | or at least keep them distracted |
| 01:09.36 | WobWork | Wraithan: saronite sells for pittance on my server =( |
| 01:09.42 | Wraithan | Same |
| 01:09.48 | Dagmar | That's why you should turn it into ammo |
| 01:09.50 | Wraithan | which is why I was just stockpiling it |
| 01:10.04 | Dagmar | Too many engineers are being dim about that |
| 01:10.05 | WobWork | I'm grinding up a JC slowly so I can prospect it =P |
| 01:10.27 | WobWork | hm, saronite arrow/bullets eh? |
| 01:10.31 | Wraithan | I prospect it as needed, but have a stack or so of each blue gem |
| 01:10.41 | Wraithan | you talking about bullet machines? |
| 01:10.41 | WobWork | they'd be level 80 stuff, right? |
| 01:10.45 | kd3 | this get linked yet? |
| 01:10.46 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15973488214&pageNo=1&sid=1#5 |
| 01:10.50 | Dagmar | WobWork: Yeah on three different servers I see people listing those for >300% of the materials cost |
| 01:10.53 | Dagmar | ...which is stupid. |
| 01:11.22 | Hjalte | kd3: Yeah, the first blue answer was posted some time ago. |
| 01:12.14 | Hjalte | I'm sad they choose to answer such an idiot. |
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| 01:12.36 | Adys | MentalPower: http://addsanddishes.blogspot.com/2009/03/wdbc-parser-bugfixes-more-structure.html |
| 01:12.38 | WobWork | wait what, it's a level 72 ammo?! |
| 01:12.39 | Adys | if you're interested |
| 01:12.44 | WobWork | zomg sign me up! |
| 01:13.27 | kd3 | oh, geez. failtastic |
| 01:13.29 | WobWork | Dagmar: oh dear god, thank you for pointing that out. I'm going to go co-opt a guild engineer =) |
| 01:13.29 | Dagmar | Ugh. Someone mentions snakeoil ping in the thread |
| 01:13.30 | kd3 | lemme log in to the forums |
| 01:13.43 | kd3 | my account is not freaking inactive... >.> |
| 01:13.43 | Dagmar | WobWork: Yeah I was pimping my guild master for awhile |
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| 01:15.09 | WobWork | Dagmar: woot, and it's a trained recipe |
| 01:15.15 | Dagmar | WobWork: There's absolutely room for selling ammo boxes by the ton on most servers |
| 01:15.46 | WobWork | hm, only 30 ore for 2k ammo |
| 01:15.48 | WobWork | shiny |
| 01:15.52 | Dagmar | It's one of those cases where you can indeed make profit by volume. Just be sure and holler to trade a bit because I think most Hunters have grown used to seeing the things gouged like mad for |
| 01:16.35 | kmcguire | cog, Your TW server code is buggy. It sometimes does not empty it's buffers by transmission. I have to trick it by sending a telnet 'Are You There?' command. |
| 01:16.37 | WobWork | and the mats aren't even hard to get! geez, 5 minutes in icecrown... |
| 01:16.41 | Dagmar | As much as saronite is flooded out tho, it's way better than trying to avoid underbidding the NPC price for it |
| 01:16.50 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 01:17.00 | kd3 | anyone remember "the green hills of stranglethorn"? |
| 01:17.03 | kmcguire | cog, It where it just sends half a message and stops unless you send some data. |
| 01:17.03 | WobWork | yeh? |
| 01:17.03 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 01:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 01:17.06 | kd3 | we can blame kaplan for it. he's responsible |
| 01:17.09 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:17.11 | kd3 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/27/gdc09_jeffrey_kaplan_session/ |
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| 01:17.12 | WobWork | damn kaplan =P |
| 01:17.20 | Dagmar | Also known as the "auction house by proxy" quest |
| 01:17.45 | Dagmar | No sense in trying to collect 'em, just buy them all and turn them in and when you get done with STV just list the ones you collected in the AH |
| 01:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaplan said WoW has attempted to avoid drowning the player in dialog by limiting designers to only 511 characters in their quest descriptions. |
| 01:18.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, I wonder why they chose that limit! |
| 01:18.17 | Jamash | haha |
| 01:18.20 | Dagmar | Two disk blocks plus an EOF terminator |
| 01:18.25 | kd3 | 2^9-1? |
| 01:19.16 | Dagmar | Whoops showing my age. modern disks are 512-byte blocks now arent' they |
| 01:19.32 | WobWork | we have whole books of TGHOS in the gbank |
| 01:19.48 | Dagmar | WobWork: Wow man. A complete waste of space |
| 01:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: filesystems are 4k. :) |
| 01:20.15 | WobWork | Dagmar: inorite? |
| 01:20.37 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Filesystems are entirely dependent on what filesystem you're looking at, although I know of none that aren't a multiple of 512 bytes |
| 01:20.49 | kmcguire | Dagmar, on hard disks the sector is 512k. |
| 01:21.05 | Jamash | k? |
| 01:21.06 | kmcguire | The OS just uses 4K since it fits into a virtual memory page easy. |
| 01:21.15 | kmcguire | For swapping. |
| 01:21.20 | WobWork | "and it felt all floaty and things didn't shot right." |
| 01:21.22 | WobWork | >< |
| 01:21.30 | WobWork | I hope that's a typo =P |
| 01:21.54 | Dagmar | kmcguire: Wikipedia says otherwise actually |
| 01:21.56 | WobWork | actually that whole article is terribly edited |
| 01:22.11 | WobWork | way to not terminate your italic tag |
| 01:22.17 | kmcguire | What does wiki say? |
| 01:22.20 | kd3 | el reg's not always the cream of the crop... |
| 01:22.25 | Jamash | 512B |
| 01:22.30 | Dagmar | 512 bytes per sector |
| 01:22.41 | kmcguire | Thats what I said I though. |
| 01:22.42 | Dagmar | C-64's used a 256-byte block |
| 01:22.46 | Jamash | you said k :P |
| 01:22.55 | Dagmar | You said it was 512k, dude. |
| 01:23.06 | Dagmar | Probably a thinko |
| 01:23.11 | kmcguire | Oh, oops. |
| 01:23.14 | kmcguire | I meant bytes. |
| 01:23.33 | Dagmar | No problem |
| 01:23.38 | WobWork | Dagmar: wow, they really are the top dps ammo in the game |
| 01:23.54 | Dagmar | WobWork: Yep |
| 01:23.56 | Jamash | my guild just started naxx, guess I should upgrade to saronite |
| 01:24.19 | Dagmar | Jamash: Yeah, there's no sense passing up extra DPS for special occasions |
| 01:24.39 | WobWork | hm, arrows are much easier to make than the bullets |
| 01:25.11 | WobWork | =( now I need two more levels >< |
| 01:26.05 | Dagmar | Well, on one side you have fifteen bars of saronite, and on the other just six bars of saronite but four volatile blasting triggers |
| 01:26.50 | Dagmar | 3 cobalt bars and a crystallized water per is kinda close to the same amount of money |
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| 01:27.16 | Dagmar | The complexity becomes less of an issue when you have ATSW |
| 01:27.20 | mikma | today i saw the most cruel simpsons episode ever! |
| 01:27.36 | mikma | it was halloween special where homer choked an alien with pillow |
| 01:27.40 | Hjalte | Hehe, I like Blues with humour: http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/16006200481-hey-gms-ever-tempted-to-abuse-power-in-game.html (Not UI related though) |
| 01:28.36 | WobWork | Dagmar: oh sure, but for the nonengineer, the material gathering is easier for the arrows |
| 01:28.43 | Dagmar | Who gathers? |
| 01:28.50 | Jamash | I do |
| 01:28.53 | Dagmar | :) |
| 01:28.57 | Dagmar | I don't. |
| 01:29.06 | Jamash | just AH everything, eh? |
| 01:29.12 | Dagmar | Well, I don't *not* skin monsters, but I still buy a crapton of leather a week |
| 01:29.29 | Jamash | I've been buying a lot of arctic fur for leg armors |
| 01:29.32 | mikma | hjalte: roflcopter |
| 01:29.52 | Dagmar | For me, it's a matter of time spent versus money earned |
| 01:29.52 | WobWork | Dagmar: my DK is mining/herbing |
| 01:29.53 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: you bad man, you very bad man |
| 01:29.58 | Jamash | I've found I can make a profit just buying the mats on the AH and selling the leg armor on the AH |
| 01:30.06 | Esamynn | you're not supposed to give up, just because you've been blown up! :P |
| 01:30.12 | Dagmar | Jamash: You can, of course |
| 01:30.13 | WobWork | Dagmar: and 30 saronite is 10 minutes in Icecrown |
| 01:30.23 | WobWork | while Saronite + Cobalt is cross zone |
| 01:30.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: I started over, had Cog delete that one |
| 01:30.33 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:30.43 | Dagmar | Jamash: I'm riding a mekgineer's chopper for one reason and one reason only... Leatherworking >350 |
| 01:30.54 | Jamash | nice |
| 01:31.19 | Jamash | I just blew a couple thousand g on mounts to get closer to the albino drake |
| 01:31.27 | Jamash | still need exalted with silvermoon |
| 01:31.31 | WobWork | Dagmar: the bulletmachine/arrow maker don't stack, do they? =( |
| 01:31.36 | Dagmar | If I buy up 60 borean leather and a dozen or so elemental waters, and then make them into epic blues to sell, it takes all of five minutes. |
| 01:31.57 | Dagmar | So, in five minutes I can make at least 25% (I aim for 50-60) profit on 350g in materials. |
| 01:32.27 | Jamash | wow |
| 01:32.27 | Dagmar | Two pieces of that and there's 100g in five minutes and |
| 01:32.27 | WobWork | looks at his 248 LW |
| 01:32.34 | Dagmar | ...all I have to do is keep an eye on what's not being overstocked by idiots trying to rush their tradeskill to 450 for no reason |
| 01:32.35 | Jamash | 248? Slacker! |
| 01:32.43 | WobWork | Inorit? |
| 01:32.46 | WobWork | e |
| 01:33.00 | WobWork | I should grind out the leather |
| 01:33.10 | WobWork | so I can get my LW up to northrend standards |
| 01:33.13 | WobWork | at least |
| 01:33.20 | Dagmar | It's WAY easier now than it was previously |
| 01:33.32 | WobWork | thank god |
| 01:33.42 | Jamash | I made the giantmaim bracers, and then got a better heroic drop a few days later |
| 01:33.51 | WobWork | I was -not- looking forward to clefthoof leather grinds |
| 01:33.54 | Dagmar | Or at least, getting it to 350 is a hell of a lot easier than it was before Northrend, just because of the trainer-taught patterns |
| 01:34.30 | Dagmar | Jamahs: The bracers are one of the things you don't bother making. |
| 01:34.32 | Dagmar | One of the few. |
| 01:34.42 | WobWork | what's good? |
| 01:34.47 | Jamash | I didn't know that then :-/ |
| 01:34.52 | Dagmar | The pants from the same line and almost everything else |
| 01:35.03 | Dagmar | Gimme a minute and I'll find *why* you don't bother making the bracers |
| 01:35.19 | Dagmar | There was a specific item you could gte from an NPC for like 85g that has the same stats |
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| 01:37.43 | Jamash | I don't think so, for the hunter bracers? |
| 01:38.07 | Jamash | anyway it turns out Keristrasza (H) drops better ones |
| 01:38.24 | Dagmar | I wonder if they diddled the numbers on them when I wasn't looking |
| 01:39.59 | WobWork | Jamash: heroic nexus? |
| 01:40.04 | Jamash | ya |
| 01:40.06 | Corrodias_2 | hm, we're one player short for 4v4 in L4D :| |
| 01:40.29 | WobWork | Just pretend one of you is already dead =) |
| 01:40.46 | Jamash | you might be thinking of the 60 valor badge wrists |
| 01:41.10 | Dagmar | No, there were actually two armor "collisions" and the bracers were one of them |
| 01:41.25 | Dagmar | Plus I think they might have been misbudgeted |
| 01:41.41 | Dagmar | IIRC there was a helm that NPCs sell that was exactly the same as another item I could make |
| 01:42.20 | Jamash | one of the swiftarrow items is identical to a kirin tor rep item |
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| 01:42.39 | Dagmar | Plus, for hunters who are getting RAP from Intellect, Eaglebane Bracers are 152 RAP. |
| 01:43.34 | Dagmar | Jamash: I *remember* that and I think you're right but it seems to be missing from wowwiki |
| 01:43.54 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Archmage_Alvareaux |
| 01:44.00 | Dagmar | I suspect maybe the page needs updating |
| 01:44.38 | Jamash | it's the spaulders of grounded lightning, I think |
| 01:44.45 | Wraithan | Eaglebane's are NICE for enh shaman |
| 01:45.34 | Jamash | yeah, spaulders of grounded lightning == swiftarrow shoulderguards |
| 01:45.52 | Dagmar | Yeah that's it |
| 01:47.22 | Dagmar | Okay. WTF. I'm going to have to dig until I find my notes |
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| 01:48.10 | WobWork | afternoon Mr Fizzle |
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| 01:48.15 | Dagmar | Damn. I made a note of the shoulderguards but didn't make a note of the bracers |
| 01:48.23 | Dagmar | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pUC_TpnYZmIDRFt_dqykaeQ&hl=en |
| 01:48.51 | Jamash | that's pretty nice |
| 01:49.06 | Jamash | I have a spreadsheet but it's much less sophisticated |
| 01:49.10 | Dagmar | Yeah having to pull out the calculator all the time was driving me nuts |
| 01:49.12 | WobWork | oh no, evildagmar is watching =( |
| 01:49.17 | Dagmar | muahahaha |
| 01:49.26 | WobWork | You can tell he's the evil twin |
| 01:49.28 | WobWork | by the goatee |
| 01:49.48 | Jamash | what I want is an auctioneer plugin that scans for profitable LW items :P |
| 01:50.00 | Jamash | then I won't have to do any work at all |
| 01:50.08 | Dagmar | Lil Sparky's Workshop |
| 01:50.22 | Dagmar | Use that and ATSW |
| 01:50.46 | WobWork | Dagmar: what's the materials cost based on? |
| 01:50.49 | Anaralx2 | Or use Lil'Sparky's Skillet. ;) |
| 01:50.51 | Thunder_Child | lazy bastards |
| 01:51.09 | Jamash | I have Skillet, it does pretty much exactly that, but I'm lazy |
| 01:51.20 | WobWork | oho materials page |
| 01:51.21 | Jamash | I want it to order my LW skill list by profitability :D |
| 01:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: okay, knowing full well your rights to answer this, how complete is your warpspec? |
| 01:51.28 | Dagmar | WobWork: The values on the second page. |
| 01:52.28 | Jamash | your realm has much different prices than mine |
| 01:52.59 | Dagmar | Yeah and those values are a bit dated. Since there's no way for me to only make certain cells editable, I just expect anyone using it will populate it with local prices |
| 01:53.17 | Dagmar | Every so often I copy my master back over it in case someone gets in there and decides to diddle a recipe |
| 01:53.21 | WobWork | hm |
| 01:53.42 | WobWork | Maybe we can export a copy and mark it for a realm |
| 01:53.45 | Dagmar | I think that copy is from before they almost doubled the drop rate on eternals |
| 01:53.58 | Dagmar | You should be able to just copy the thing outright |
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| 01:54.29 | WobWork | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pZRcNvU0SmwOqiwT8zJljTg |
| 01:54.51 | Jamash | just go to the file menu and hit create a copy |
| 01:55.00 | Dagmar | Until you mark it as sharable to the world, you'll be the only person who can see it |
| 01:55.18 | Wraithan | We're sorry, mail@gmail.com does not have permission to access this spreadsheet. |
| 01:55.20 | Dagmar | ...but it looks like you successfully cloned it |
| 01:56.21 | Dagmar | Allow me to suggest you just tell it to hide columns B through N, since those are all just about component cost of materials |
| 01:56.30 | Dagmar | Then it'll more easily fit on the screen |
| 01:56.50 | WobWork | hm, I'll need a shopping list addon =P |
| 01:57.08 | Dagmar | ATSW does that |
| 01:57.11 | Dagmar | :) |
| 01:57.21 | WobWork | meh, I like ReverseEngineering =P |
| 01:57.24 | WobWork | since I wrote it =) |
| 01:57.24 | Dagmar | I'm just going to say this bit outright tho |
| 01:57.40 | Dagmar | The numbers Lil Sparky's and ATSW shows you can to a great degree be considered utter rubbish. |
| 01:57.44 | Dagmar | Because players are morons. |
| 01:57.54 | WobWork | what sort of numbers? |
| 01:58.15 | Dagmar | They will regularly make things and sell them for far below materials cost just because of the idiocy that's been ingrained into them before by other games. |
| 01:58.32 | WobWork | that's just wacky |
| 01:58.37 | Dagmar | The numbers ATSW and Lil Sparky's Workshop show that they're pulling from Auctioneer about market rates for the finished products. |
| 01:58.41 | WobWork | oh |
| 01:58.47 | Dagmar | As a result, the numbers come out all crazy. |
| 01:58.55 | WobWork | nah, I'd hand input the numbers for the mat costs and work from there |
| 01:59.05 | Dagmar | However, it only literally took me and two other guys to more or less stabilize leatherworking on Skywall |
| 01:59.26 | Dagmar | Just because those people tend to lose their money and then stop. |
| 01:59.49 | Dagmar | ...and the people trying to charge 500% of the materials costs will just wander off to go try to scalp fishing recipes after awhile |
| 02:01.27 | Dagmar | I was buying a few hundred borean leather from the AH each week, a dozen or so frozen orbs, two or three dozen eternals of various kinds, and just rolling them all back into teh AH |
| 02:01.47 | Dagmar | It raised the cost of borean leather above 8g/stack, and lowered the cost of epics out of the hands of the crazy gougers |
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| 02:01.57 | Dagmar | A much more healthy market |
| 02:03.11 | Dagmar | Note that you can tell Google Docs to make the sheet available as a webpage and then you can print it like http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pUC_TpnYZmIBX9Q_9hiE9Qg |
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| 02:04.41 | Dagmar | I started scanning the AH before I went to work, and when I got home, and after about two weeks I saw rational and reasonable numbers start showing up through Lil Sparky's |
| 02:05.18 | Dagmar | ...cuz I was sure as heck making certain that I *always* had at least one of everything in the AH if it were viable using those tables |
| 02:06.23 | WobWork | that's certainly a good resource with that table |
| 02:06.30 | WobWork | many thanks for drawing that up =) |
| 02:07.54 | Dagmar | No problem. I wanted a motorcycle pretty bad. :) |
| 02:08.15 | Dagmar | It was also pretty fascinating to see a market stabilize, too |
| 02:08.58 | Dagmar | I'm hoping to pull off something similar with Enchanting on Detheroc |
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| 02:11.58 | Dagmar | Oh NOW I remember about the giantmaim bracers |
| 02:12.34 | Dagmar | It actually *is* the Eaglebane Bracers that trounce them unless you've got that 34 +hit coming from somewhere else easily |
| 02:13.35 | Dagmar | I'll normally take the extra survivability of the stamina difference over the *one* measly attack power increase the giantmaim bracers give, but for the pittance it takes to make eaglebane bracers, the giantmaim bracers are just a waste of money unless you're hit capped |
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| 02:43.48 | Cairenn | oh my god, you guys HAVE to watch this: http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/152506/detail/ |
| 02:43.52 | Cairenn | hahahahaha |
| 02:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn is slow, that was linked a few days ago ;) |
| 02:46.24 | Cairenn | I didn't see it, sorry |
| 02:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It is still entertaining |
| 02:46.33 | Cairenn | that is absolutely fucking hilarious! |
| 02:52.14 | jaxdahl | did they break the equipment manager this build or am i too stupid to figure out how it works? |
| 02:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | probably a little bit of both |
| 02:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | (no idea) |
| 02:53.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: prod |
| 02:53.25 | Shirik | what do you want! |
| 02:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Knowing you have no reason to answer |
| 02:53.43 | Shirik | I gotta go home |
| 02:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | How complete is your warpspec? |
| 02:53.46 | Shirik | I'll be back |
| 02:54.09 | Shirik | Well, guess you'll have to figure out how much you trust my documentation :) |
| 02:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That is why I'm asking :P |
| 02:54.22 | Shirik | keep in mind I wrote the script to get those numbers, too! |
| 02:54.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, hence my question |
| 02:55.03 | kmcguire | Lua does opengl, hehe. |
| 02:55.22 | kmcguire | Gave it the clear, begin, end, and vertex3f. |
| 03:01.21 | Thunder_Child | i dont think he liked your question ScytheBlade1 |
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| 03:02.54 | batrick | Cairenn: could you imagine organizing that in wow with a bunch of mages? =) |
| 03:03.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:03.10 | Cairenn | that'd be a hoot |
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| 03:05.19 | Shirik | rawr |
| 03:05.25 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 03:05.52 | Shirik | huggles Gryphen |
| 03:05.56 | Gryphen | huggles Shirik |
| 03:06.15 | Shirik | Why do I have IllegalAddon installed.... |
| 03:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it is AWESOME. |
| 03:06.34 | Zootfizzle | writes Shirik up... |
| 03:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Also you were testing your installer, and asked for an addon you didn't have installed |
| 03:06.56 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 03:08.36 | Shirik | who here knows computer science? |
| 03:08.46 | Shirik | ok that's a bad question |
| 03:08.49 | Shirik | let me be more specific |
| 03:08.51 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 03:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Want to answer my question? ^^ |
| 03:08.53 | End | that's a terrible question |
| 03:09.07 | batrick | no u r |
| 03:09.25 | Thunder_Child | grow up batrick |
| 03:09.30 | Shirik | (1) Are there any NP-complete problems which do NOT have a solution aside from brute force, (2) Are all NP-complete problems solvable by brute force? |
| 03:09.32 | mikma | shirik: i am sure you have the rollhack installed too |
| 03:09.36 | Shirik | I believe the answer is "no, yes" |
| 03:09.47 | mikma | the one with rock and ace3 |
| 03:10.48 | Shirik | I'm asking because someone was complaining about a problem they were given today, saying it was NP-complete and therefore refused to solve the problem |
| 03:11.12 | Shirik | And I'm sitting here like (a) is it possible to brute force, and (b) were they expecting a non-brute force solution |
| 03:11.20 | mikma | oh, btw |
| 03:11.44 | mikma | someone said about the badaddon.(foo) thats in 3.1.0 ... |
| 03:11.55 | kd3 | it's in the dbcs |
| 03:12.01 | mikma | its in live too, noticed it yesterday |
| 03:12.07 | kd3 | !! |
| 03:12.19 | mikma | its in some folder |
| 03:12.27 | kd3 | tabs out |
| 03:12.32 | mikma | cant remember the name but its there hehe |
| 03:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Beacon : Some pansy sprocket lives nearby |
| 03:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a random beacon |
| 03:14.28 | Shirik | blah |
| 03:14.37 | kd3 | is it? I'm only seeing BannedAddons.dbc in the ptr's DBFilesClient |
| 03:14.46 | kd3 | skims around some more |
| 03:14.53 | Dagmar | Shirik: In re to the two questions above, as far as I know "no, yes" is correct |
| 03:15.08 | Syzgyn | !@^$@%@! |
| 03:15.12 | Syzgyn | Fucking KT |
| 03:15.13 | kd3 | unless you're counting the preload, where I'm pretty sure it's there too |
| 03:15.16 | Syzgyn | another lost Immortal |
| 03:15.18 | kd3 | no immortal for joo |
| 03:15.27 | mikma | kd3: yeah, it should be there. i was trying to find cache stuff and bumbed in the badaddon file |
| 03:15.51 | End | I thought had seen badaddons.dbc before |
| 03:15.53 | Syzgyn | That was our first week getting to KT without deaths |
| 03:15.54 | Dagmar | Shirik: Those are pretty much the two questions modern cryptography are based around. |
| 03:15.56 | End | before 3.1 I mean |
| 03:16.03 | Syzgyn | and some tard stood too close and got mana bombed |
| 03:16.04 | Shirik | I thought I was correct |
| 03:16.09 | End | but when they announced the ui policy, I looked and couldn't find it |
| 03:16.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: If you happen to find a shortcut to an NP-complete issue, there are piles of money so tall you could climb them to whiz on the moon |
| 03:16.31 | Dagmar | ...just *waiting* for you |
| 03:16.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:16.36 | kd3 | only places I've seen it are in wow-partial-1 and the ptr. can't seem to find it anywhere else |
| 03:17.07 | Shirik | (and sadly, there are people willing to waste their entire lives for that answer Dagmar) |
| 03:17.11 | Shirik | (I'm not one of those people) |
| 03:17.15 | mikma | Well my game was shut down then |
| 03:17.33 | mikma | and now my pc is off too so cant go and see the folder |
| 03:17.34 | Dagmar | Shirik: I know some of them, but they're not wasting their lives on it, they're basically turning math into a hobby |
| 03:17.44 | Shirik | debatable |
| 03:18.00 | Shirik | I think that makes the (invalid) assumption that there truly is a solution |
| 03:18.09 | Dagmar | It's both less disturbing and oddly less socially-acceptable than sadomasochism as a hobby |
| 03:18.37 | Shirik | >< |
| 03:18.59 | Dagmar | Shirik: Well, there *is* a solution to NP-complete problems. It's just not one we can find anywhere near as easily as we can create them |
| 03:19.08 | Shirik | well yes |
| 03:19.13 | Dagmar | Hence why it's useful for pubkey crypto |
| 03:19.26 | Shirik | I meant a solution to the general problem of NP-completeness |
| 03:19.32 | Shirik | that is, finding a shortcut |
| 03:19.33 | kd3 | but finding and using bigger hammers to swat gnats is always fun |
| 03:19.35 | Dagmar | Nope. Not as far as anyone knows |
| 03:21.52 | Dagmar | Although technically I think if you do find a shortcut of "useful" size then the problem itself would be quickly declared either not NP-complete after all, or that it's time to invest in gold and shotguns |
| 03:22.09 | Dagmar | ...and maybe blame someone else for finding it and lie low for awhile |
| 03:22.15 | Shirik | gold and shotguns? |
| 03:22.35 | Dagmar | If you find a generally applicable shortcut for NP-complete problems, you just broke modern crypto |
| 03:22.40 | Dagmar | Which means people will be coming for you. |
| 03:22.43 | Dagmar | LOTS of people. |
| 03:23.00 | Dagmar | They won't be looking to congratulate you much. |
| 03:23.00 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:23.51 | Dagmar | Scenarios like that are ones I've actually sat down with people and worried over. |
| 03:23.53 | kd3 | zOMG's shirik's trying to break modern crypto! it's a witch! burn it! |
| 03:24.02 | Shirik | ... wtf |
| 03:24.19 | bleeter | kd3: does he way the same as a duck? |
| 03:24.23 | Shirik | No, I was talking to this software engineer that's in one of my classes |
| 03:24.26 | Shirik | (whom I hate, btw) |
| 03:24.35 | Shirik | And he was complaining about some interview question he got |
| 03:24.39 | Shirik | and how it was NP-complete |
| 03:24.46 | Dagmar | Like, remember the CiscoGate issue a few years back when the guy kind of cut loose at Blackhat with a technique to actually run arbitrary bytecode on Cisco hardware routers? |
| 03:24.51 | Shirik | so instead of solving the problem, he decided to write a long discussion of why it was not possible to solve |
| 03:24.58 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like "so why didn't you just brute-force it?" |
| 03:25.24 | Dagmar | Shirik: Because maybe he'd like to complete the application before he was ready to retire? |
| 03:25.33 | Shirik | It was not a complex problem |
| 03:25.33 | kd3 | ...why, why does it have to be IF music in the terrace of the makers? |
| 03:25.38 | Dagmar | So it was very, very small then? |
| 03:25.40 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:25.48 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 03:26.01 | Shirik | I didn't actually ask him these questions |
| 03:26.06 | Shirik | they were just sitting in the back of my mind |
| 03:26.06 | Dagmar | He probably should have asked to borrow a nice TI graphing calculator then |
| 03:27.44 | Dagmar | Perhaps the person asking wanted to know if he could recogize a problem with no practical solution when he saw it |
| 03:27.57 | Dagmar | Such problems are not so easy to spot |
| 03:28.13 | Shirik | unlikely, since the directions said "All questions must be completed. Skipping a question will result in immediate disqualification." |
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| 03:28.39 | Dagmar | I was trying to convert arbitrary x,y,z coords to a map back in the days of EverQuest. I was up to my neck in other people's doctorate theses before I realized "Hey, this problem MIGHT be kind of a bitch" |
| 03:28.51 | Ackis | holy shit two zoots?!?! AHHH |
| 03:29.45 | Dagmar | It's a lot easier to do if you just discard the Z and ignore potential holes in the map |
| 03:30.55 | Shefki | Shirik: I'd imagine the person asking the question wanted to see how efficiently someone would brute force it. |
| 03:31.09 | Shirik | it was a timed test |
| 03:31.17 | Shirik | so I think it was more of seeing how good you were with the language |
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| 03:31.21 | Shirik | (C was required) |
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| 03:31.32 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 03:31.43 | Shefki | Shirik: *shrug* Those sorts of things you never really do know what they're looking for. |
| 03:31.46 | Shirik | (And a little algorithmic knowledge too -- can you come up with a basic recursive algorithm and implement it) |
| 03:31.48 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 03:32.23 | Dagmar | Yeah well, it turns out the map-making thing I was talking about is a close relative to a classic NP-complete problem |
| 03:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: fyi, that was a typo |
| 03:32.53 | Dagmar | I can see why someone would automatically balk at them after hitting a few face-first. |
| 03:33.11 | End | wtf, hulu is letting me choose which ad I get |
| 03:33.16 | Dagmar | End: Yep. |
| 03:33.36 | End | I mean, there was the several short versus one long |
| 03:33.41 | Dagmar | About half their stuff now lets you get the usual commercials, or watch just one "extended" 30 second commercial and be done with it for the rest |
| 03:33.55 | End | but now it's between different grey goose short ads |
| 03:34.19 | End | I had 3 options for which grey goose ad it was |
| 03:34.32 | kd3 | whee at decimating the local wildlife just to collect meat |
| 03:34.34 | Dagmar | Maybe this is the new adspace... |
| 03:35.04 | Dagmar | "The commercial for Grey Goose is not as important as getting the viewer to choose anything Grey Goose" |
| 03:35.05 | Ackis | way #1 to ruin a serious conversation: wear a bra on your head |
| 03:35.17 | Dagmar | Ackis: Didn't work for the police |
| 03:35.25 | Shirik | how do shadow priests return mana now? |
| 03:35.31 | Shirik | nm |
| 03:35.33 | Ackis | heh |
| 03:35.36 | Shefki | Shirik: Same way everyone does. |
| 03:35.43 | Shirik | For some reason I thought Vampiric Embrace disappeared |
| 03:35.44 | End | lol |
| 03:35.47 | Shirik | er |
| 03:35.48 | Dagmar | Pass out runic injectors. :) |
| 03:35.49 | JackBurton7676 | what evokes a faster product? /assist focus, or, /target focustarget ??? Is it true that some commands cant be used in combat???? |
| 03:35.49 | Shirik | Vampiric Touch |
| 03:36.02 | Arrowmaster | one of the streaming sites, i think it was joust, had commercials during the videos that my adblock was preventing so the video just stoped for a second then went back to the normal video when it couldnt connect to the ad server |
| 03:36.07 | Shirik | they are identical JackBurton7676 |
| 03:36.12 | Dagmar | JackBurton7676: "faster" doesn't matter enough to matter as it were |
| 03:36.26 | End | hulu's gives a 20 second ish delay if it can't get an ad |
| 03:36.33 | Dagmar | JackBurton7676: Commands like that aren't any of the ones that can't be invoked while in combat |
| 03:36.35 | End | with a "you might have an ad blocker" message |
| 03:36.43 | JackBurton7676 | ok |
| 03:36.44 | Shefki | Shirik: Except one may also attack if you have attack on assist turned on. |
| 03:37.13 | JackBurton7676 | i see |
| 03:37.20 | Dagmar | End: Thsi would be because it didn't take some of us long to figure out how to skip Hulu's ads |
| 03:37.38 | Shefki | Hulu had ads, I'm shocked. |
| 03:37.40 | End | hehe |
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| 03:38.02 | End | I never actually bothered worrying about it |
| 03:38.13 | Arrowmaster | little known secret, you can use /startattack [target=focustarget] to get the same effect as /assist focus (with attack on assist enabled) but it works for units that the api says you cant assist (UnitCanAssist) |
| 03:38.15 | Dagmar | Shekfi: Oddly, the fact that they're showing better detail than NTSC provides and they they DON'T RAISE THE VOLUME NEARLY AS MUCH DURING COMMERCIALS makes their ads a lot easier to tolerate |
| 03:38.17 | End | since I'm not usually paying a lot of attention anyhow |
| 03:39.10 | Dagmar | Watching FOX, your freaking neighbors can tell when the commercials are on |
| 03:40.14 | Shefki | Dagmar: Fox has ads, weird, my DVR must skip them. :P |
| 03:40.38 | Rabbitbunny | i always wondered why someone didn't create a circuit that sampled the RMS output an normalized it automatically. I'd buy a TV with that. |
| 03:41.02 | Shefki | Rabbitbunny: There are tvs with sound level normalization. |
| 03:41.55 | Dagmar | shekfi: Yeah, I've got a MythTV box. I don't watch anything in realtime anymore |
| 03:42.10 | Rabbitbunny | ... |
| 03:42.15 | Rabbitbunny | goes new TV shopping |
| 03:42.30 | Shefki | Rabbitbunny: http://www.homecontrols.com/cgi-bin/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/146/strfnbr/2 |
| 03:42.48 | Dagmar | You can do audio normalization through ALSA, too. |
| 03:42.59 | JackBurton7676 | when placed in a macro what does \n/ do? |
| 03:43.01 | Dagmar | However it means reading the ALSA docs to figure out how. |
| 03:43.12 | Shefki | JackBurton7676: New line in text output. |
| 03:43.47 | Dagmar | Why the trailing slash? |
| 03:44.16 | JackBurton7676 | i saw someone write it yesteraday |
| 03:44.17 | JackBurton7676 | day |
| 03:44.22 | JackBurton7676 | even. like |
| 03:44.23 | Ackis | ~api GetTradeSkillinfo() |
| 03:44.23 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTradeSkillinfo() |
| 03:45.03 | Dagmar | JackBurton7676: Are you sure they didn't just write "\n" instead? |
| 03:45.32 | WobWork | \o/ |
| 03:45.45 | JackBurton7676 | it looked strange. i remember that section vividly because it was so |
| 03:45.47 | WobWork | maybe it was a mutant smilie |
| 03:45.56 | JackBurton7676 | mebe |
| 03:46.29 | Dagmar | They might have been trying to say "\m/" as a peaen to their dark lord Satan and just typoed |
| 03:47.38 | Dagmar | s/eae/aea/; |
| 03:49.21 | JackBurton7676 | the new prepatch is 555 megs anyone got it allready? |
| 03:50.01 | JackBurton7676 | http://jackal-web.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/index.php |
| 03:50.25 | WobWork | http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/wherethewildthingsare/ btw |
| 03:50.51 | Dagmar | Nooo |
| 03:51.13 | Dagmar | Holy crap |
| 03:51.37 | Shefki | JackBurton7676: Umm yes I've had it for quite a while. |
| 03:51.53 | Dagmar | Days and days |
| 03:52.25 | Shefki | WobWork: Hmm, if it's done well it'll be cool. |
| 03:52.57 | WobWork | aye |
| 03:53.18 | JackBurton7676 | anyone read Choke? its made by the same dude that wrote fight club. |
| 03:53.23 | JackBurton7676 | its a wild read |
| 03:53.32 | Shefki | WobWork: Based on the trailer, it looks awesome. |
| 03:53.42 | JackBurton7676 | I read it in like 3 days and normaly books take a week to read |
| 03:57.29 | cogwheel | kmcguire: it's not really "my" server :P It runs on its own platform |
| 03:57.46 | kmcguire | Hmm, it is going to take a funky algorithm to nicely display the sectors in a specific system in 3d. I tried the go in a circle plotting and drawing lines connecting, but when I got done it looked like a drunk spider made it. |
| 03:58.22 | Dagmar | JackBurton7676: Allow me to suggest that downloading a patch from "just anywhere" on the internet is not a very safe thing to be doing |
| 03:59.12 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 04:00.06 | Shefki | Dagmar: Pretty sure the patch system checks for a signature, so I don't think anything can really be done. |
| 04:00.23 | kmcguire | Hehe, http://f.imagehost.org/0639/Untitled_7.png. |
| 04:00.53 | Arrowmaster | kmcguire: go read the trade wars wikipedia page, somebody already created a game based on tw with a 3d sector view i think |
| 04:01.35 | Shefki | I vagely remember there being a mapping tool to do it for you while playing trade wars. |
| 04:01.41 | Shefki | But man it's been years since I've played. |
| 04:02.08 | kmcguire | Yeah, I have seen some. |
| 04:02.13 | kmcguire | But, I mean they were crap. |
| 04:02.21 | kmcguire | And they wanted me to pay for the crap. |
| 04:02.24 | Shefki | Write a better one. :P |
| 04:02.25 | Dagmar | Shefki: It does by virtue of the nature of bittorrent, but... that doesn't mean it couldn't be infected with something special for the people who will just download anything and click on it |
| 04:02.44 | Shefki | Dagmar: Fair point. |
| 04:03.12 | kmcguire | I will. Just got to come up with a slightly better algorithm. It will only take a few hours. |
| 04:03.30 | Dagmar | You say this now |
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| 04:03.46 | Shefki | 6 years later.... |
| 04:04.07 | Shefki | "kmcguire: Okay guys I got it, the perfect trade wars mapping system." |
| 04:04.12 | Dagmar | Remember me mentioning earlier about a map making program I was working on that turned out to contain an NP-complete problem? |
| 04:04.24 | Shefki | "random_person: What's trade wars?" |
| 04:04.35 | Dagmar | I do remember saying something along those lines to one of my housemates when i started |
| 04:05.01 | kmcguire | Dagmar, Let us bet. |
| 04:05.09 | Dagmar | Let us *hope* |
| 04:05.12 | kmcguire | If I do it with in the week. You can call me master? |
| 04:05.27 | Dagmar | Oh doing it within a week is possible, suboptimally |
| 04:06.04 | Dagmar | The problem I had was I'd find a better way to do what I was doing, which opened the door to another better way, until I'd pared things down to about six different approaches and started to see that I was in a bit of trouble |
| 04:06.30 | Dagmar | Then every time I went to look up information about who might have solved this sort of problem before, I kept getting guys with PhD's |
| 04:07.02 | Shefki | Who hadn't solved it yet. |
| 04:07.07 | Dagmar | Yeah pretty much |
| 04:07.36 | Dagmar | Know when to say "Yeah that's accurate enough I think" |
| 04:08.23 | Dagmar | I mean, technically that time was probably more well spent than what I was doing in the game currently (being ignored while looking for groups) but still |
| 04:09.02 | Ackis | is it spam if I put a message like if server == myserver then print message "do not kill ackis pls"? |
| 04:09.10 | Ackis | and what am I doing wrong with: http://paste.wowace.com/396/ ? |
| 04:09.45 | Dagmar | on new_target if target == ackis then cleartarget |
| 04:09.57 | Ackis | lib-authorprotect1.0? |
| 04:10.01 | Dagmar | put a harm check in there somewhere and you're good |
| 04:10.13 | Dagmar | leaving the harm check out, maybe not so good |
| 04:10.23 | Shirik | except clearing target is a protected function |
| 04:10.45 | Shirik | maybe you can hook Clique |
| 04:10.52 | Shirik | that only protects you from users of Clique though |
| 04:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: poke, prod |
| 04:11.32 | Ackis | i wonder how much drama would be on the forums if people starting protecting themselves with their addons? |
| 04:11.32 | Dagmar | Hmm.. can ya make them target thesmelves? |
| 04:11.33 | cogwheel | yo |
| 04:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So I promise to stop prodding you so often |
| 04:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But I kinda have a small favor to ask |
| 04:11.51 | Dagmar | Ackis: Not much. Thott originally had people auto-saluting him and no one got very excited about it |
| 04:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 04:11.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I need money =] |
| 04:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 04:12.09 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:12.19 | cogwheel | did you get blowed up again? |
| 04:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda screwed up when buying shields |
| 04:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | No but close |
| 04:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Escape pod saved the day |
| 04:12.33 | cogwheel | >< |
| 04:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Long story short after buying crazy amounts of shields I found myself with 155 credits |
| 04:12.49 | Thunder_Child | wat...we can just ask for money? |
| 04:12.56 | Thunder_Child | wait* |
| 04:12.59 | Ackis | so about this pastey: http://paste.wowace.com/396/ :P |
| 04:13.04 | Ackis | cogwheel: I need lovin |
| 04:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 3k, I'll have it back to you in 15 minutes :P |
| 04:13.13 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: if you have a supportive coproration ;) |
| 04:13.22 | cogwheel | with vast resources |
| 04:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | btw |
| 04:13.30 | cogwheel | (save for vertical stature) |
| 04:13.33 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, oh i thought it was a request to the sever admin |
| 04:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Esy has a massive planetary cannon of death |
| 04:13.43 | Thunder_Child | nvm me then |
| 04:13.45 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102390105&ft=1&f=1053 |
| 04:13.54 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: we will to in a few hours ;) |
| 04:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I know :) |
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| 04:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, any chance I could borrow 3k so I can get back off the ground? :P |
| 04:14.28 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: that's awesome... |
| 04:14.41 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: my inner hippy hates it, but damn if thats not clever |
| 04:14.47 | cogwheel | there's a city around here that actually won pothole capital of the (some region i can't remember) |
| 04:14.56 | cogwheel | (like state or country or something) |
| 04:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:15.04 | tardmrr | NHTS what did I just miss? |
| 04:15.10 | ScytheBlade1 | note to self: don't live there |
| 04:15.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102390105&ft=1&f=1053 |
| 04:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | also interseting: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/ |
| 04:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: uh that is... .... WAY more than I needed |
| 04:16.49 | cogwheel | that left me with 1m |
| 04:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | How do I accept the hail? |
| 04:17.02 | cogwheel | you don't need to |
| 04:17.10 | cogwheel | i was just going to tell you that anyway |
| 04:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 04:18.40 | Ackis | heh /dnd working on Ackis Recipe List, if you like it tip me gold! :P |
| 04:21.08 | Shefki | tips Ackis 1 cyber gold. |
| 04:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | So there is totally a hidden option on the stardocks |
| 04:21.55 | cogwheel | yup |
| 04:22.00 | theorbtwo | Ackis: I like it, but am low level and just starting to actually accumulate some cash, so, er, no. |
| 04:22.07 | cogwheel | talk to the grimy trader if you need the pw ;) |
| 04:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, that makes TWO hidden options then |
| 04:23.07 | Ackis | theorbtwo: lol I'm just being a douche here in the channel... and I wanted Shefki to cyber me |
| 04:23.26 | theorbtwo | Ackis: I know, I know, but just wanted to say thanks for an awesome plugin. |
| 04:23.37 | Ackis | heh ty :) |
| 04:23.55 | theorbtwo | I no doubt owe thanks to other people on the channel, but your name is right there in the addon name, so I actually know it. |
| 04:24.26 | Ackis | yah I fail at naming things |
| 04:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well, he wouldn't want it to be confused with anyone ELSES RecipeList addon :) |
| 04:24.34 | Ackis | I'm probably gonna name my kids: one, two, three, etc |
| 04:25.28 | Ackis | hmm anyway to differentiate between a trade skill you opened and one someone else linked? |
| 04:26.46 | NightHawkTheSane | IsTradeSkillLinked? or something like that |
| 04:26.57 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a method that tells you |
| 04:27.28 | Ackis | kk |
| 04:27.40 | Thunder_Child | possibly offensive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do |
| 04:28.10 | Corrodias_2 | oh man, CLASSIC video |
| 04:31.30 | Tekkub | wow go down da howle |
| 04:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ wtf |
| 04:37.11 | NightHawkTheSane | http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6828/testl.jpg |
| 04:37.42 | kd3 | anyone having conn issues? |
| 04:37.49 | kd3 | "stuck at auth"? |
| 04:38.07 | Tekkub | yea wow just shit itself |
| 04:38.40 | Kirov_ | I can't trace to wow.com atm |
| 04:38.56 | Kirov_ | We were doing Sarth 3d and half of us disconnected |
| 04:40.49 | Tekkub | wow.com is an aol domain :P |
| 04:41.44 | WobWork | one of these days, I'll figure out my server's IP so I can ping it |
| 04:42.09 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_data_center |
| 04:42.31 | Vonhinten | doubt it'd respond to ping... best you could do is tracert |
| 04:42.32 | Shirik | WobWork: netstat -b |
| 04:42.36 | Shirik | And it does |
| 04:42.46 | WobWork | ta kd3 |
| 04:43.03 | WobWork | Shirik: It only ever occurs to me to find it out when I cannot connect =) |
| 04:43.11 | Shirik | ah heh |
| 04:43.13 | WobWork | or am unable to try to connect |
| 04:43.42 | WobWork | =\ |
| 04:43.51 | WobWork | I have plenty of alliance characters I'd pay to switch to horde |
| 04:44.55 | Tekkub | wtb species change operations |
| 04:45.23 | Tekkub | I'm so tired of ally... but starting over totally with no guild? meh |
| 04:45.48 | WobWork | I really like the guild I'm in atm, and it's horde |
| 04:45.57 | WobWork | we have a sister alliance guild, but they're not as fun |
| 04:47.05 | WobWork | kd3: hm, I can't find that page =\ |
| 04:47.09 | cogwheel | twiddles his thumbs to jeopardy music while he waits for blizzard to respond |
| 04:47.21 | WobWork | not even searching for 'data center' alone |
| 04:47.32 | WobWork | thanks cog. Now that's stuck in my head |
| 04:48.35 | WobWork | oh |
| 04:48.36 | WobWork | datacenter |
| 04:48.37 | WobWork | >< |
| 04:49.09 | Shefki | gets tired of the music and turns it off. |
| 04:49.15 | WobWork | aha, Los Angeles |
| 04:55.31 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: my inner hippie died a horrible, painful death when i took an economics class ;) Well, at least its political side... still kindof a tree hugger :P |
| 04:55.45 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter |
| 04:56.08 | kd3 | put in an extra space my first link |
| 04:56.19 | WobWork | aye =) |
| 04:57.36 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: i've got a rampant idealist for an inner hippy. :P |
| 04:57.55 | Shirik | I've played horde for way too long |
| 04:58.06 | Shirik | how the hell do I get off Azuremist Isle |
| 04:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | the boat |
| 04:58.13 | WobWork | y'know what would be awesome? |
| 04:58.15 | kd3 | take the boat |
| 04:58.18 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:58.20 | Shirik | yes I figured the boat |
| 04:58.22 | Shirik | where is it |
| 04:58.23 | WobWork | if hunters could tame penguins |
| 04:58.26 | kd3 | just south of exodar |
| 04:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | outside exodar |
| 04:58.30 | WobWork | west of exodar |
| 04:58.40 | kd3 | and by south I mean west |
| 04:58.41 | WobWork | er I think |
| 04:58.42 | Shirik | ok I think I see it on the map |
| 04:58.49 | WobWork | there's a druid trainer nearby |
| 04:58.51 | Shirik | thanks |
| 04:58.53 | NightHawkTheSane | its not really hard to find |
| 04:58.56 | WobWork | or is it a hunter trainer? |
| 04:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, azuremyst is a fairly small island |
| 04:59.06 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:59.11 | Shirik | say that after you've walked across it 3 times |
| 04:59.18 | WobWork | but yeah, I would so roll BM if I could tame a penguin |
| 04:59.21 | Shirik | (without a mount) |
| 04:59.26 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, mine was the same way... that whole reality thing tends to bite harder though ;) |
| 04:59.32 | WobWork | Shirik: That's why you abuse the elekk riding quest =) |
| 05:07.10 | WobWork | omg |
| 05:07.11 | WobWork | http://pompomsville.weebly.com/wow-druid-warsong.html |
| 05:07.12 | WobWork | socute |
| 05:07.30 | WobWork | especially the tauren boomkin and bearform |
| 05:08.06 | WobWork | oh god, the kodo! |
| 05:13.30 | Fisker- | i'm on a boat |
| 05:15.17 | Tekkub | any DK DPS on that have Nerves of COld Steel? |
| 05:15.28 | Tekkub | curious what all that 1H hit appies to |
| 05:16.08 | Tekkub | mainly, it adds to both main and offhand... and special, right? |
| 05:17.53 | WobWork | ...wouldn't it? |
| 05:18.08 | WobWork | I'm thinking my understanding of hit mechanics isn't good enough |
| 05:18.09 | Tekkub | I dunno I'm crap at melee |
| 05:18.20 | Tekkub | yea that's why I'm writing this damn addon |
| 05:18.23 | WobWork | I expected the rating to apply to all strikes |
| 05:18.34 | Tekkub | so that something can do the thinking for me, I can't remember all these damn rules |
| 05:18.54 | Tekkub | right, but off-hand has a higher miss rate |
| 05:20.43 | WobWork | ie, a higher hit cap |
| 05:21.11 | WobWork | I would say specials rely on melee hit |
| 05:21.15 | WobWork | unless specified |
| 05:21.35 | WobWork | like http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55268 |
| 05:21.53 | WobWork | hm, wait, that can miss |
| 05:22.03 | WobWork | that's just effectively expertise cap for that skill |
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| 05:22.34 | cogwheel | hey Sixen |
| 05:22.50 | WobWork | but all specials are done with the mainhand weapon |
| 05:22.52 | Sixen | What's up, Cog? |
| 05:23.05 | cogwheel | just "hey" :) |
| 05:23.20 | cogwheel | kinda burned out from all the drama |
| 05:23.24 | WobWork | =( |
| 05:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: you pinged me long after I had gone to sleep ;) |
| 05:23.30 | Sixen | I was just saying "what's up" =) |
| 05:23.35 | Sixen | Yeah, no worries sbo, <3. |
| 05:23.38 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:24.30 | cogwheel | seems most everybody is though... the big policy page only gained ~5 pages today >< |
| 05:24.40 | Sixen | =O1 |
| 05:24.53 | cogwheel | s/page/thread/ |
| 05:25.47 | Fisker- | captures cogwheel |
| 05:26.05 | Tekkub | more stupid questions! |
| 05:26.08 | Fisker- | keeps all the cogwheel's in a snackbox |
| 05:26.24 | Tekkub | DKs (well good ones at least) never EVER tank dual-wield, right? |
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| 05:26.44 | Tekkub | I.E. I shouldn't list dual in the tank attack tables at all |
| 05:26.56 | WobWork | you could |
| 05:27.00 | Tekkub | I do right now |
| 05:27.06 | Tekkub | but I'm thinking I should remove it |
| 05:27.17 | WobWork | generally speaking the amount of expertise required to avoid parry haste is ridiculous |
| 05:27.17 | Tekkub | because they should always be 2H shouldn't they? |
| 05:27.32 | Tekkub | plus you got that 2H tank rune |
| 05:27.40 | WobWork | I think it works for both |
| 05:27.42 | Tekkub | stone gargoyle or whatever |
| 05:28.00 | Tekkub | it says 2H in game |
| 05:28.02 | WobWork | oh my bad |
| 05:28.03 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 05:28.14 | Tekkub | so think I should take dual off the tank table? |
| 05:28.17 | WobWork | I'd say anyone who gears successfully for two handed tanking |
| 05:28.21 | WobWork | won't need your addon =) |
| 05:28.22 | Tekkub | don't encourage bad tanking |
| 05:28.37 | WobWork | yeah drop it from the table imo |
| 05:28.39 | Tekkub | actually that was the initial table, defenses |
| 05:28.48 | Tekkub | cause they've got the most goddamn math to do |
| 05:30.02 | WobWork | =( def cap was the easiest stat to worry about for tanking |
| 05:31.28 | Tekkub | yea but you got parry dodge block and crit :P |
| 05:31.31 | Tekkub | and hit |
| 05:32.13 | WobWork | true |
| 05:32.21 | WobWork | crit isn't really necessary though |
| 05:32.39 | WobWork | compared to the others |
| 05:32.50 | WobWork | also not sure how block scales, but dodge scales better than parry |
| 05:32.56 | WobWork | before diminishing returns |
| 05:33.30 | Tekkub | yea my point is you got so many stats to track there |
| 05:34.00 | Tekkub | anywho, got dual taken off the tank attack table and added that DK talent with a not that it's only DW |
| 05:34.01 | Tekkub | :) |
| 05:40.07 | WobWork | hehe http://www.cockeyed.com/inside/cheetos/cheetos01.shtml |
| 05:40.13 | WobWork | some people have too much time on their hands |
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| 05:54.17 | kmcguire | Hehe, I got it. I use a longest line computation using recursive functions to produce half the circle. Then just link the loose (short paths nodes) from the other half. It looks decent. |
| 05:54.33 | kmcguire | Will make image after I build up some nodes. |
| 05:57.15 | Tekkub | wewt, got everything but rogue and warrior's hit talents in idHitThat |
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| 06:24.45 | Tekkub | god damnit |
| 06:25.08 | Tekkub | go away bastard, I hang out in exodar so that I *don't* get random tells from people wanting to sell me shit |
| 06:25.17 | Tekkub | and then open trade when I ignore their ass |
| 06:25.28 | AnduinLothar | lol? |
| 06:25.35 | AnduinLothar | time for a new server |
| 06:26.04 | Tekkub | u got 20g to send I have 2 rings u might like [link] [link] |
| 06:26.09 | AnduinLothar | people only wisper me when im in best in slot tank gear asking if i can heal |
| 06:26.32 | Tekkub | heh, on my pally they just ask if I can tank or heal |
| 06:26.40 | Tekkub | no, piss off, I'm leveling here |
| 06:26.59 | Tekkub | if I wanted a pug I'd be in LFG |
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| 06:46.16 | Shirik | Tekkub |
| 06:46.20 | Shirik | want to buy golds? |
| 06:46.29 | Shirik | I give you 4000g for low low price of 8000g |
| 06:46.30 | Tekkub | yes |
| 06:46.33 | Tekkub | no |
| 06:46.40 | Shirik | is weekend special! |
| 06:46.48 | Shirik | 2 for the price of 1! |
| 06:48.38 | Thunder_Child | "we'll never survive" "nonsense, you're only saying that because no one ever has" |
| 06:50.11 | Tekkub | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=45755 |
| 06:50.13 | Tekkub | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:50.16 | Tekkub | me likey |
| 06:50.29 | Tekkub | I really should be throwing that bitch out more anyway |
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| 06:59.58 | Shirik | nice glyph Tekkub! |
| 07:00.07 | Tekkub | aye |
| 07:00.17 | Tekkub | half the time I toss GS out too late |
| 07:00.21 | Shirik | that will make me a lot less pissed when paladins are all like "LOL LAY ON HANDS GS!" |
| 07:00.37 | Tekkub | I'm trying to get in the habit of doing it when the tank at like <1/3 |
| 07:00.42 | Tekkub | now I really will |
| 07:01.16 | Tekkub | especially if I'm going to heal the bitch up right after I do |
| 07:01.48 | Tekkub | 40% extra healing on 1min cooldown, with the handy side-effect of saving his ass if he takes damage too fast |
| 07:02.08 | Tekkub | at the expense of 2 more minutes if it happens :) |
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| 07:19.06 | Thunder_Child | 8GB Micro SD for 17.99+5 S&H woot.com |
| 07:19.58 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:20.07 | DWSR | I got GSed in WG just now |
| 07:20.09 | Tekkub | lawl, too bad I have no real use for more than the 2GB mSD I already have |
| 07:20.11 | DWSR | Still killed my minion |
| 07:20.20 | Thunder_Child | has a standard size adapter |
| 07:20.41 | Tekkub | I have 2 already :P |
| 07:20.45 | Tekkub | that I don't use |
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| 07:21.07 | End | wow, that's a neat glyph |
| 07:25.45 | Wobin | commenters are right though, priest stacking =P |
| 07:26.01 | DWSR | Ensidia's actually got a corporate sponsor? |
| 07:26.21 | Wobin | meh, damn woot doesn't ship outside the US |
| 07:28.50 | Syzgyn | Fucking hell, why can I not even start to stay connected to the PTR? |
| 07:34.42 | Shirik | Wobin: Priest stacking? |
| 07:34.58 | Wobin | to permanently keep GS up on a tank |
| 07:35.08 | Shirik | oh please |
| 07:35.19 | Shirik | that's hardly practical |
| 07:36.00 | Wobin | extra 40% healing isn't shabby |
| 07:36.06 | Wobin | but nobody said it had to be practical |
| 07:36.18 | Shirik | if it's not practical, it makes that argument invalid |
| 07:36.42 | Wobin | er |
| 07:37.00 | Wobin | not if you want to get realm first ... first =P |
| 07:37.12 | Wobin | You could go all sorts of weird, as long as it gave you the advantage for that one time |
| 07:37.26 | Wobin | eg, Leatherworking drums |
| 07:37.38 | Shirik | not practical = not an advantage |
| 07:38.08 | Wobin | So you have a fight where you have to heal the tank 40% less |
| 07:38.10 | Wobin | for the entire time |
| 07:38.21 | Shirik | assuming everything goes right |
| 07:38.23 | Wobin | how is that not an advantage? |
| 07:38.29 | Shirik | and, in the process, you have just screwed your raid makeup |
| 07:38.35 | Wobin | it'd certainly help in progression, or learning the fight |
| 07:38.44 | Shirik | You now have to do things like replace paladin buffs with ret/prot paladins |
| 07:38.52 | Shirik | you now have to have bloodlust from an enhance shaman |
| 07:38.59 | End | so? |
| 07:39.01 | Wobin | and people -don't- do these things? |
| 07:39.04 | Shirik | Not to mention the fact that you have NO strong single target healers |
| 07:39.15 | Shirik | And! After all that |
| 07:39.18 | Wobin | You're acting as if people don't totally min/max for raiding progression =P |
| 07:39.23 | Shirik | If you do end up using a GS |
| 07:39.26 | End | I highly doubt you'd find a situation which would really warrant it though |
| 07:39.27 | Shirik | Your rotation is gone |
| 07:39.36 | Wobin | naturally |
| 07:39.41 | Shirik | There is no good reason to do it |
| 07:39.44 | Wobin | but it doesn't mean that it can NEVER EVER HAPPEN |
| 07:39.52 | Shirik | What you lose exceeds what you gain |
| 07:39.54 | Wobin | cause it's "impractical" by your standards =P |
| 07:40.01 | Shirik | No, it's impractical by common sense |
| 07:40.10 | Shirik | You're just following bandwagon appeal, imo |
| 07:40.13 | End | it's impractical by anybody who doesn't have 6 holy priests laying around |
| 07:40.16 | Shirik | which I refuse to do, as a priest |
| 07:40.38 | Shirik | I'm a holy priest; I would jump on that in a heartbeat if I thought it were true. I don't think it is. |
| 07:41.54 | Wobin | Would you respec all your crafting if your RL told you to? |
| 07:42.16 | Shirik | I have been told to before, and have. But what does this have anything to do with the conversation? |
| 07:42.40 | Wobin | Just that certain raids have gone to what could be considered 'extreme' lengths in order to eke out a particular encounter |
| 07:42.56 | End | well |
| 07:42.57 | Wobin | The thing is, I totally agree that it's impractical |
| 07:43.08 | End | we'll see how many guilds start recruiting holy priests :P |
| 07:43.12 | Wobin | but it doesn't make the thing invalid |
| 07:43.15 | Shirik | Your definition of "impractical" is screwed |
| 07:43.19 | Wobin | not at all |
| 07:43.29 | Wobin | It can be impractical overall but valid for that single encounter |
| 07:44.26 | Shirik | It won't be |
| 07:44.35 | Shirik | You give up TOO MUCH to make a stupid gain |
| 07:44.38 | Shirik | an unnecessary gani |
| 07:44.39 | Shirik | gain* |
| 07:44.56 | Shirik | If you need that extra 40% healing, chances are you're going to blow GS on a sacrifice, and you'll still be screwed |
| 07:45.11 | Shirik | Because in the process of dropping that 40% healing, you've now dropped your best tank healers |
| 07:45.18 | Shirik | AND reduced focus on other targets |
| 07:45.26 | Shirik | AND eliminated classes |
| 07:45.28 | Wobin | what encounter are you talking about? |
| 07:45.32 | Shirik | ALL OF THEM |
| 07:45.35 | Shirik | Just think for a second |
| 07:45.40 | End | Shirik is assuming an average encounter :P |
| 07:45.45 | Shirik | No |
| 07:45.47 | Wobin | and where was it stated that this tactic is useful for ALL ENCOUNTERS?! |
| 07:45.48 | Shirik | I'm assuming every damn encounter |
| 07:45.52 | End | The Ulduar fights are pretty average though |
| 07:46.01 | Wobin | Look. |
| 07:46.02 | Shirik | Like, I hate to be rude here |
| 07:46.02 | End | I dunno about the hard modes though |
| 07:46.09 | Wobin | I'm not saying it's impractical in general |
| 07:46.09 | Shirik | but I don't find that this is a very difficult concept to grasp |
| 07:46.18 | Wobin | but I'm saying that there -could- be an encounter where it could work |
| 07:46.21 | Shirik | No |
| 07:46.24 | Wobin | No |
| 07:46.25 | Wobin | Never? |
| 07:46.27 | Shirik | Right |
| 07:46.28 | Wobin | Ever Ever Ever? |
| 07:46.28 | End | there could be |
| 07:46.32 | Wobin | There COULD be! |
| 07:46.33 | Shirik | NEVER EVER EVER EVER |
| 07:46.34 | End | but it's not interesting until there is one |
| 07:46.36 | Shirik | Why else would I say |
| 07:46.40 | Shirik | (03:45:30) (@Shirik) ALL OF THEM |
| 07:46.42 | Wobin | Sorry Blizzard =P |
| 07:46.50 | Shirik | Is your definition of "all" equally screwed? |
| 07:47.05 | Wobin | Is your definition of Never ever screwed? |
| 07:47.21 | Shirik | Okay, I'm done with this childish argument |
| 07:47.25 | Wobin | as am I =P |
| 07:47.27 | End | Good |
| 07:47.30 | End | you're bothing being silly |
| 07:47.34 | Wobin | cause we're not proving anything either way |
| 07:47.35 | End | and I |
| 07:47.37 | End | fail at typing |
| 08:02.29 | Shirik | I can't believe I'm leveling another priest too |
| 08:02.31 | Shirik | I think I'm nuts |
| 08:03.00 | Thunder_Child | deviant art now has a "Game Development Art" section |
| 08:03.01 | Shirik | Full T7.5 = time to level on the other faction >.> |
| 08:03.07 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
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| 08:19.03 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, http://i.gizmodo.com/5185642/colbert-might-get-a-space-toilet-named-after-him-as-a-consolation-prize |
| 08:19.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:19.52 | zenzio | that sounds remarkably like what I suggested the other day |
| 08:19.58 | Cairenn | yup |
| 08:21.22 | Shirik | I expected nasa to do that |
| 08:21.31 | Shirik | the rejection part, not the toilet |
| 08:22.29 | Shirik | "Hold on, I have to go use the Colbert real quick" |
| 08:22.30 | Shirik | >< |
| 08:23.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:24.23 | Sixen | Hai Cairenn! And Shirik! And TC! |
| 08:24.27 | Shirik | hi? |
| 08:24.29 | Cairenn | hi Sixen |
| 08:24.38 | Sixen | What Shirik, I can't say hai to you? :(. |
| 08:24.52 | Shirik | nobody else wants to :( |
| 08:24.57 | Sixen | <33 |
| 08:26.07 | Thunder_Child | when i do it Shirik you think i want something |
| 08:27.12 | DWSR | Anyone here played/beaten Bioshock? |
| 08:30.56 | Fisker- | shakes hands with Shirik |
| 08:31.11 | Fisker- | sure DWSR |
| 08:31.15 | Shirik | stares blankly at Fisker- |
| 08:31.52 | End | I think a space toilet would be perfect |
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| 08:44.23 | Shirik | waves night to Cairenn|afk |
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| 08:50.39 | Fisker- | nothing like a cold shower |
| 08:51.48 | Fisker- | fail |
| 08:51.58 | Fisker- | So what we did recently with Wrath of the Lich King, and it's something we've never really talked about before, but in Lich King, every creature that is part of the collection quest has the item 100% of the time. But we do a progressive system where we up the chance the player [gets the item] each time he kills it. |
| 08:52.09 | Fisker- | So there's a 100% chance to get the item and it just gets better from there? |
| 08:52.10 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 08:52.35 | Hjalte | Where's that from? |
| 08:52.56 | Fisker- | GDC |
| 08:53.13 | Fisker- | http://kotaku.com/5186284/the-science-behind-world-of-warcrafts-item-drop-percentages |
| 08:55.43 | Maldivia | Fisker-: no, there's a 100% chance the mob has the item, not a 100% chance it drops it |
| 08:55.46 | Tekkub | quick, before I go to bed, someone explain to me how I pissed this tard off? |
| 08:55.47 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=122719#post122719 |
| 08:55.55 | Tekkub | cause seriously, I wasn't even fucking trying |
| 08:56.10 | Tekkub | I want to know how to do it intentionally next time |
| 08:56.43 | Fisker- | loot is determined at spawn |
| 08:56.48 | Fisker- | So if it has it, it drops it |
| 08:57.40 | Maldivia | Fisker-: and what he is saying is, that that does not apply to quest items |
| 08:57.41 | Tekkub | was it the word "naïve" does that weird little umlaut trigger some sort of rape in the weak-minded? |
| 08:58.27 | Maldivia | Fisker-: in other words, all mobs are born with the quest item, but a progressive percentage is used to determine if you can loot it when rightclicking the corpse |
| 08:58.59 | Fisker- | That's what you're assumine |
| 08:59.04 | Fisker- | assuming* |
| 08:59.05 | Fisker- | not what it says |
| 08:59.16 | Fisker- | And generally not how it's worked for the last 4 years or so |
| 08:59.41 | Maldivia | I quote " So what we did recently with Wrath of the Lich King, " |
| 08:59.51 | Maldivia | So yeah - not how its worked for the last 4 years... doh |
| 09:01.09 | Fisker- | Yeah the mob didn't have it a 100% of a time pre-wotlk |
| 09:01.11 | Fisker- | It does now |
| 09:01.19 | Fisker- | But if that's so, then it also has a 100% drop chance |
| 09:01.25 | Hjalte | Fisker-: The mob might have had it, but whether they showed it to you or not is another question. |
| 09:01.30 | Fisker- | Loot is determined at spawn, if it's spawned with the loot it drops it |
| 09:01.33 | Tekkub | see now, that doesn't make sense |
| 09:01.52 | Fisker- | They don't mention changing that mechanic at all, and since they don't you can't just assume that they did |
| 09:01.57 | Maldivia | Fisker-: And what he says is, they chance that mechanism for quest item drops |
| 09:02.05 | Tekkub | they determine the loot table at spawn, then change it based on the person that wins loot when it dies? |
| 09:02.11 | Maldivia | s/chance/changed/ |
| 09:02.23 | Tekkub | how is that different from generating the loot when it dies based on the player? |
| 09:02.30 | Tekkub | schrodinger's loot |
| 09:02.38 | Hjalte | I am pretty sure that I've read somewhere, that mobs always have all quest items on them, they just only show them to people with the quest. I can't tell you from where though. |
| 09:02.56 | Maldivia | Hjalte: previously, with 100% drops, that's true |
| 09:03.09 | Maldivia | Hjalte: but for 10% drops, only 10% of the mobs would have that item |
| 09:03.19 | Tekkub | you know, I know what's confusing here |
| 09:03.22 | Tekkub | "But we do a progressive system where we up the chance the player [gets the item] each time he kills it." |
| 09:03.28 | Tekkub | they paraphrased |
| 09:03.49 | Tekkub | if we knew exactly what "[gets the item]" was I think it'd probably make sense |
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| 09:08.06 | Fisker- | invests all of Tekkub's money in a mutual market fund |
| 09:08.09 | Fisker- | aaaaaand it's gone! |
| 09:08.48 | Tekkub | so no one can tell me how I was being a dick here (before my last post)? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=122719#post122719 |
| 09:09.10 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8523162473&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 <-wtf are they sleeping? |
| 09:09.33 | Fisker- | Thos ads have been up there for like 4 days now |
| 09:09.37 | Fisker- | and now they find out? |
| 09:09.38 | Fisker- | riiiiiiiiight |
| 09:11.52 | Shirik | Tekkub: You were being a dick in your last post too |
| 09:11.58 | Shirik | because you wrote "you're" instead of "your" |
| 09:12.05 | Shirik | English hates you now |
| 09:12.26 | Tekkub | so it's the punctuation? umlauts and apostrophies induce psychotic rage? |
| 09:13.21 | Tekkub | seriously, I wasn't even fucking trying... and the last one was really just to twist the knife that I didn't know I'd used just a bit |
| 09:13.32 | Wobin | the catapostraphes |
| 09:14.34 | Tekkub | so I can't spell, fuck you, at least I use punctuation :P |
| 09:15.13 | Tekkub | Shirik, I'm confused still, am I the one making personal attacks? |
| 09:15.33 | Shirik | I don't think either of you were particularly bad; I just didn't want that thread to continue in the direction it was going |
| 09:15.37 | Shirik | so I figured I'd post something |
| 09:16.02 | Tekkub | he said he wasn't going to read the thread anymore, so if it does continue it's totally his fault |
| 09:16.10 | Fisker- | hey Shirik i hate you |
| 09:16.14 | Tekkub | and someone will owe me $5 |
| 09:16.16 | Shirik | k Fisker- |
| 09:16.26 | Shirik | $5? |
| 09:16.38 | Fisker- | What are you gonna do about it? |
| 09:16.42 | Tekkub | you didn't even read my post |
| 09:16.44 | Tekkub | dick |
| 09:16.46 | Fisker- | Gonna sit there like a wuss and be hated? .3 |
| 09:17.21 | Fisker- | drops his trousers and reverse moons Shirik |
| 09:17.28 | Shirik | reverse moons? |
| 09:17.43 | Fisker- | you know with the bodypart on the opposite site |
| 09:17.44 | Fisker- | side* |
| 09:18.17 | Tekkub | that's flashing you idiot |
| 09:18.45 | Tekkub | you're supposed to do that with a trenchcoat too, not pants |
| 09:19.01 | Tekkub | it's too hard to chase them with pants around your ankles |
| 09:19.27 | Fisker- | I want Shirik to catch me |
| 09:19.42 | Fisker- | but he's too afraid |
| 09:19.52 | Tekkub | he'll never catch you running the other way, that's why you need to chase him |
| 09:20.00 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8523162473&postId=85220056436&sid=1#16 <-troll'd = topiclock |
| 09:20.02 | Tekkub | god, you've never done this before have you? |
| 09:20.13 | Fisker- | no :( |
| 09:20.53 | Fisker- | So that's why Neo wears a trenchcoat |
| 09:21.20 | Fisker- | approaches Shirik in a trenchcoat and bullettime flashes him |
| 09:22.39 | Tekkub | ugh, I need to go to bed |
| 09:22.47 | Tekkub | at least I got a snow day today |
| 09:22.49 | Tekkub | wheee! |
| 09:23.55 | Fisker- | bah |
| 09:23.59 | Fisker- | Shirik won't even kick me :( |
| 09:24.06 | Shirik | ~kick Fisker- |
| 09:24.06 | purl | ACTION kicks Fisker- |
| 09:24.21 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:25.51 | Kalroth | aww |
| 09:25.59 | Kalroth | That's so cute! |
| 09:26.23 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:26.38 | Fisker- | just wanted to let you know Shirik |
| 09:26.44 | Fisker- | all those bad things i said Shirik |
| 09:26.53 | Fisker- | that wasn't working as intended |
| 09:27.02 | Fisker- | instead there should've been a lot of nice words about you |
| 09:29.02 | Shirik | you can't drink while swimming? |
| 09:29.04 | Shirik | wtf kind of bs is that |
| 09:29.37 | Fisker- | dunnot |
| 09:29.39 | Fisker- | but it's bs alright |
| 09:29.41 | zenzio | you'd swallow too much water |
| 09:29.45 | Fisker- | just like how those ads weren't intended |
| 09:32.51 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8523162473&sid=1&pageNo=2#20 <-m-m-m-m-onster fail |
| 09:33.32 | Fisker- | What's even more fun is that moderator war |
| 09:33.45 | Fisker- | Wryxian keeps unlocking it, and i guess Daliniya keeps locking it |
| 09:33.45 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 09:46.45 | Mike-N-Go | I wonder, the new UI policy; who is it directed at, authors or users? |
| 09:46.55 | krka | authors |
| 09:46.57 | krka | afaik |
| 09:47.22 | krka | but IANALBIPOOTI |
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| 09:50.00 | Shirik | biopooti? |
| 09:50.28 | krka | that's not what i wrote |
| 09:50.28 | jnwhiteh | "but i play one on the internet" |
| 09:50.34 | krka | jnwhiteh is correct |
| 09:50.39 | jnwhiteh | wins@ |
| 09:51.09 | nevcairiel | There was a bluepost just today that said they don't intent to ban users for using (or having used) pay-for addons |
| 09:51.42 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15973488214&sid=1&pageNo=2#25 |
| 09:52.06 | nevcairiel | so yeah, authors =P |
| 09:52.14 | End | BAN AUTHORS IMO |
| 09:52.23 | End | THOSE DAMN AUTHORS |
| 09:52.25 | End | ;-p |
| 09:52.48 | krka | <lifeofbrian> what have the authors ever done for us?</lifeofbrian> |
| 09:54.10 | zenzio | ~krka++ |
| 09:54.40 | krka | nevcairiel: "currently" :P |
| 09:56.15 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/111029 |
| 09:56.45 | nevcairiel | krka: you know how it is, never limit your legal abilities for the future =) |
| 09:57.19 | nevcairiel | ContainerFrameItemButton_OnModifiedClick is a C func now? |
| 09:57.20 | nevcairiel | interesting |
| 09:58.00 | End | how does it detect C funcs? |
| 09:58.28 | krka | wait, default is widescreen now? |
| 09:58.44 | jnwhiteh | krka: either that or GetCVarDefault() now returns machine-specific defaults. |
| 09:58.50 | jnwhiteh | i can't test otherwise :P |
| 09:58.59 | nevcairiel | i can test what mine says |
| 09:59.00 | krka | ah |
| 09:59.03 | krka | machine defaults probably |
| 09:59.08 | krka | that would make most sense |
| 10:01.32 | nevcairiel | Mine returns 1024x768 |
| 10:01.39 | nevcairiel | but i do have a widescreen |
| 10:02.04 | End | it's probably trying to give more "sensible" results if the old default was 640x480 |
| 10:02.10 | End | although... |
| 10:02.27 | End | I don't think I've ever seen it start up at 640x480 |
| 10:02.30 | End | or try to |
| 10:02.55 | nevcairiel | Maybe it always picked a more useful default on first launch |
| 10:03.01 | End | yeah, probably |
| 10:04.16 | jnwhiteh | weren't they adding talent previews in 3.1? |
| 10:04.20 | jnwhiteh | i.e. choose before you apply? |
| 10:04.30 | jnwhiteh | or did they just add API support and not anything in the default ui |
| 10:04.41 | End | you have to enable it |
| 10:04.45 | End | in the interface options |
| 10:04.50 | nevcairiel | yeah, requires a toggle |
| 10:04.57 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 10:05.15 | jnwhiteh | ah got it |
| 10:05.45 | nevcairiel | We assumed they didn't want to change the default behavior to not confuse people .) |
| 10:05.51 | Industrial | Tekkub: idHitThat tbh. |
| 10:05.54 | Industrial | aw, hes gone. |
| 10:06.00 | Industrial | good morning! |
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| 10:21.09 | Wraithan | Got bored while doing D in EotS and not getting attacked, made this: |
| 10:21.11 | Wraithan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.21 | Wraithan | It is really handy, no more having to type while I heal |
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| 10:37.16 | bleeter | Wraithan: wish the game would tell me which side my faction was attacking. I don't care about defense ;) |
| 10:38.02 | Wraithan | Well in AB and EotS it doesn't tell you when a base is under attack until it is too late usually |
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| 11:37.02 | Legorol | can sigils/librams/idols etc. be swapped in combat? |
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| 11:43.19 | Wraithan | Legorol: Yes |
| 11:43.30 | Wraithan | Legorol: but, it interupts any spell being cast |
| 11:44.14 | Wraithan | And triggers the GCD (I think) they did it to stop people from hotswaping for particular spells |
| 11:44.41 | Legorol | that's good enough for me |
| 11:45.36 | nevcairiel | it interrupts spells now? |
| 11:45.40 | Legorol | does frost presence reduce damage from environmental spells (eg. lava) and mobs that melee attack you but deal elemental damage? |
| 11:45.47 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: every since mid BC |
| 11:46.13 | nevcairiel | not sure about environment, but it should affect any elemental damage |
| 11:46.23 | Legorol | ok |
| 11:46.29 | Legorol | does the same apply to spellbreaking? |
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| 11:46.47 | Wraithan | Curious, why the 20 questions? |
| 11:48.43 | Legorol | Wraithan: i'm trying to figure out what effects/buffs i could get to reduce the damage from lava blazes on 3D |
| 11:51.22 | jnwhiteh | Clique updated to support dual specs, if anyone wants to test it out on the PTR |
| 11:51.47 | Wraithan | Neat |
| 11:59.44 | Maldivia | why do we suddenly have all these nasty people on the UI forums :| |
| 12:01.00 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: did you have support for multiple setups before 3.1 ? |
| 12:01.20 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: its' always supported multiple profiles, not sure if that's what you're asking |
| 12:02.14 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: that for the same char, you could easily change from one setup to another (so you had one for pvp, one for pve, or different specs etc) |
| 12:02.19 | jnwhiteh | hyes |
| 12:02.24 | jnwhiteh | profiles have been in since I wrote it |
| 12:02.51 | jnwhiteh | hrm, that reminds me |
| 12:02.58 | jnwhiteh | i have to go back and fix a bunch of things now, heh |
| 12:03.02 | Maldivia | Ok, then the dual spec was easy - just add an option to switch profile when spec change is triggered? |
| 12:03.11 | jnwhiteh | yes.. I didn't say it was hard! |
| 12:03.14 | Maldivia | hehe :) |
| 12:03.51 | Maldivia | well, my implementation is just lazy, one setup pr char :) |
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| 12:10.29 | jnwhiteh | there, now the options are stored in 'char' instead of 'profile' |
| 12:10.30 | jnwhiteh | stupid mistake :P |
| 12:10.55 | Maldivia | heh |
| 12:11.05 | jnwhiteh | considering i wrote the damn db system |
| 12:11.05 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:15.37 | Aelobin | is there a way to make a loadstring return all print() and variables from an lua string? |
| 12:15.48 | Aelobin | like lua_bot does |
| 12:16.04 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:16.12 | jnwhiteh | you have to replace the env of the function you compile to capture all of it |
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| 12:16.30 | Aelobin | 0_0 |
| 12:16.32 | nevcairiel | or in wowlua, just change the print handler before :) |
| 12:16.44 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: that doesn't help with returning variables, if i read Aelobin right |
| 12:16.55 | jnwhiteh | that needs to be done by running it, seeing if there is output and if not running it again with "return" in front |
| 12:17.01 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 12:17.02 | jnwhiteh | best way I've come up with |
| 12:17.02 | nevcairiel | right |
| 12:17.05 | jnwhiteh | err rather, print not return |
| 12:17.06 | nevcairiel | if there is no explicit return |
| 12:17.06 | jnwhiteh | but you get the idea |
| 12:17.12 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 12:17.23 | jnwhiteh | lua> return "foomonkey" |
| 12:17.24 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: foomonkey |
| 12:17.39 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 12:18.10 | Aelobin | lua> "foomonkey |
| 12:18.11 | lua_bot | Aelobin: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 12:18.13 | Aelobin | lua> "foomonkey" |
| 12:18.13 | lua_bot | Aelobin: foomonkey |
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| 12:41.39 | zenzio | happy Friday, peppy |
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| 12:42.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. Happy Fridayness to you too. |
| 12:43.08 | Aelobin | Lopeppeppyyyyyyyyy |
| 12:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Aelobin. How's things? |
| 12:43.38 | Aelobin | hai Lopeppeppy :D things are good, and how about you? ^^ |
| 12:45.32 | Lopeppeppy | TGIF, baby, everything is coming up roses today. |
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| 12:46.12 | Aelobin | =o |
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| 12:52.05 | zenzio | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/01/25/politicial-pictures-clowns-scare-everyone/ |
| 12:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | Hey cog|sleep ! http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/26/2025239&from=rss |
| 12:56.50 | JackBurton7676 | I'll never buy a mouse or keyboard thas not logitec |
| 12:56.55 | JackBurton7676 | Well... |
| 12:57.32 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer logitech, but to marry a brand is to court your own obselecence. |
| 12:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | If I spelled it right, it's a very scary thing! |
| 12:58.01 | JackBurton7676 | I'm soooooooooo sorry. =P |
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| 13:02.56 | Kraps | where do i see my secret question in account management? |
| 13:03.54 | Maldivia | it's secret |
| 13:04.00 | JackBurton7676 | shrug |
| 13:04.06 | Kraps | :( |
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| 13:05.05 | Lopeppeppy | I believe you can only change that after working with Accounts and Billing, and the burden of account ownership is entirely on you.... |
| 13:05.53 | Kraps | how would i prove ownership? |
| 13:09.35 | Lopeppeppy | They ask for things like ID, notarized whos-its and whats-its, I dunno. Must have credit card that's paying the bill, I dunno. |
| 13:10.07 | Maldivia | notorized copy of the cd key usually works as well |
| 13:10.11 | Kraps | credit card i have |
| 13:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I'm scrod then, Maldivia, the CDs went with TKFT. I use the client download from Accounts management page. |
| 13:10.36 | Kraps | cd key not cuz i d/l-ed the whole game |
| 13:10.44 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I do have my TBC and Wrath boxes. |
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| 13:11.08 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: yeah ok, don't know how it works with digital purchase |
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| 13:11.55 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: I just know when a friend of mine got his account comprimized, he had to send in a notarized copy of the cd key (but that's a long time ago now, their process might have changed by then) |
| 13:12.01 | Maldivia | since then* |
| 13:12.22 | Kraps | i dont have id either :/ |
| 13:12.29 | Lopeppeppy | It's probably some kind of list, like the DMV. "Provide one from column A, or two from column B, or three from column C" |
| 13:12.35 | JackBurton7676 | where do i store this prepatch in the wow directory so blizzard can see it. root directory? |
| 13:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | No ID whatsoever, Kraps? Student ID card, non-driver ID? |
| 13:12.56 | Maldivia | JackBurton7676: xp, vista or? |
| 13:13.02 | Maldivia | passport :) |
| 13:13.09 | Kraps | non-driver ID expired |
| 13:13.11 | Lopeppeppy | JackBurton7676, I don't predownload, so I dunno. Does the fabulous game not immediately put it where the game is? |
| 13:13.14 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, fix that. *poke* |
| 13:13.23 | Kraps | ... |
| 13:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, I'll get my passport when I get my name changed back. Do want. |
| 13:13.34 | JackBurton7676 | vista |
| 13:13.53 | Maldivia | JackBurton7676: C:\Users\Public\Public Documents\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft\ |
| 13:13.57 | Maldivia | or something like that |
| 13:14.10 | Lopeppeppy | If your WoW is in Program Files, yes? |
| 13:14.11 | JackBurton7676 | righto. thanks |
| 13:14.21 | Kraps | "Please Note: There have been some flamewars in the last couple of rounds and will no longer be tolerated. Treat everyone, and their opinions, with respect. An inability to do so will lead to your inability to further participate in this event." |
| 13:14.30 | JackBurton7676 | im in the wow folder i just hope it gets streamlined in the final patch |
| 13:14.30 | Kraps | orly? |
| 13:14.31 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: no matter where wow is installed, patches are downloaded to the public folder on vista |
| 13:14.36 | Kraps | brb |
| 13:14.46 | Lopeppeppy | Neat, Maldivia. |
| 13:15.52 | Anaral | How do I create a desktop shortcut to open a specific webpage? |
| 13:16.38 | Anaral | I'm trying to make a link for my daughter so she doesn't have to navigate the web. |
| 13:17.51 | haste | depends on the browser |
| 13:17.58 | haste | but most accept the URL as a argument |
| 13:18.17 | haste | you can do like: firefox.exe "http://mail.google.com/" for example |
| 13:18.33 | Maldivia | Anaral: rightclick, new -> shortcut, paste the url |
| 13:19.06 | Maldivia | and it should open in your default browser |
| 13:19.25 | Anaral | Maldivia thanks. |
| 13:20.30 | Anaral | Awesome, Maldivia that worked perfectly. |
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| 13:40.49 | Beladona | Anaral: most browsers also allow you to drag the address to your desktop from the address bar, and it automatically creates an url shortcut |
| 13:41.47 | Lopeppeppy | That worked for me, Beladona. *nod* Neat to know. |
| 13:41.49 | Anaral | *nods* Thanks |
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| 13:44.33 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 13:45.19 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep is for the weak, Maldivia. The sane and well weak, but the weak nevertheless. |
| 13:54.29 | jnwhiteh | okay, function signature question |
| 13:54.58 | jnwhiteh | UnitAura("unit", index or ["name", "rank"] [, "filter"]) |
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| 13:55.05 | jnwhiteh | I don't like the way I have to group name and rank together |
| 13:55.09 | jnwhiteh | technically they aren't optional |
| 13:55.12 | Spellbinder | sleep is for the week, true, but if you don't sleep you get week so.... |
| 13:55.34 | jnwhiteh | any suggestions on how I can group "sets" of arguments like that better when there is a choice? |
| 13:55.42 | Wraithan | Spellbinder: I get a week of what? |
| 13:55.57 | Xinhuan | UnitAura("unit", index or [["name", "rank"], "filter"] |
| 13:56.04 | Xinhuan | err wait wrong |
| 13:56.05 | jnwhiteh | that's not correct |
| 13:56.07 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:56.16 | Spellbinder | <--- swede and on the phone sorry |
| 13:56.20 | Spellbinder | weak ofc |
| 13:56.32 | Xinhuan | UnitAura("unit", index or ["name", "rank"[, "filter"]] |
| 13:56.34 | Xinhuan | that? |
| 13:56.39 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:56.50 | jnwhiteh | it can be unit, index, filter |
| 13:56.53 | jnwhiteh | so that's wrong as well |
| 13:57.02 | Xinhuan | then provide 2 different definitions |
| 13:57.07 | jnwhiteh | what I have is the best I can come up with, I just don't like it |
| 13:57.09 | Xinhuan | such as function overriding |
| 13:57.15 | foxlit | overloading |
| 13:57.21 | Xinhuan | ^ overloading |
| 13:57.27 | Xinhuan | so there is no confusion |
| 13:57.30 | mikma | UnitAura("unit", [index or ["name", "rank"]] [, "filter"]) |
| 13:57.43 | jnwhiteh | mikma: that indicates that index or name rank is optional |
| 13:57.45 | jnwhiteh | which isn't the case :P |
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| 13:58.13 | mikma | then add new characters there |
| 13:58.19 | mikma | like {} |
| 13:58.22 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: so it's need to be UnitAura("unit", index [, filter]) or UnitAura("unit", "name"[, "rank" [, "filter"]]) |
| 13:58.22 | mikma | \ |
| 13:58.34 | jnwhiteh | i can do that, but is that what you want to see? |
| 13:58.37 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 13:58.37 | jnwhiteh | it'll "break" signature listings |
| 13:58.44 | Xinhuan | hm |
| 13:58.53 | jnwhiteh | the alternative is what mikma proposes |
| 13:59.12 | jnwhiteh | UnitAura("unit", index or {"name" [, "rank"]} [, "filter"]) |
| 13:59.44 | jnwhiteh | which just looks like a table constructor |
| 14:00.01 | Xinhuan | use | ? |
| 14:00.03 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, kneeki |
| 14:00.05 | foxlit | or you could use () |
| 14:00.24 | foxlit | since everyone and their mom realize that (foo, bar) can only be interpreted one way. |
| 14:00.45 | jnwhiteh | so UnitAura("unit", index or ("name" [, "rank"]) [, "filter"])? |
| 14:00.53 | jnwhiteh | that i can do easily |
| 14:01.51 | selckin | you know if its this hard to come up with the defintion, people will fail to understand and/or use it properly, unless its private api :\ |
| 14:02.08 | jnwhiteh | its the wow api |
| 14:02.10 | Maldivia | why not use the format wow uses? |
| 14:02.12 | jnwhiteh | that's why i'm asking here |
| 14:02.22 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: I've not seen WoW usage for these functinos |
| 14:02.33 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 14:02.34 | Maldivia | Usage: UnitAura("unit", [index] or ["name", "rank"][, "filter"]) |
| 14:02.35 | jnwhiteh | it uses [] |
| 14:02.41 | jnwhiteh | I can do that |
| 14:02.44 | jnwhiteh | but that's not entirely accurate |
| 14:02.54 | jnwhiteh | the rank is optional |
| 14:02.56 | jnwhiteh | name is not |
| 14:03.15 | jnwhiteh | but the rank is only optional if you're not using filter :P |
| 14:03.30 | jnwhiteh | which I guess makes it correct in that regard |
| 14:03.34 | jnwhiteh | that's what I'm using now |
| 14:03.38 | jnwhiteh | the question is do people _understand_ it? |
| 14:03.41 | krka | you cant set rank as nil? |
| 14:03.52 | jnwhiteh | krka: yes you can |
| 14:04.04 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: just use examples :9 |
| 14:04.08 | krka | so rank is always optional? |
| 14:04.16 | Xinhuan | UnitAura("unit", index or "name"[, "rank"] [, "filter"]) |
| 14:04.19 | krka | i'd use one line for each format |
| 14:04.24 | Xinhuan | its implied that if you use an index, rank is not necessary |
| 14:04.28 | krka | also, i think this way of defining functions is crappy |
| 14:04.33 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't work |
| 14:04.37 | jnwhiteh | well, its not fgoing to change |
| 14:04.45 | jnwhiteh | i'm just following suit |
| 14:04.49 | krka | if a function has several different versions of calling it, make different functions plz :/ |
| 14:04.50 | jnwhiteh | and people DO understand them |
| 14:05.00 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 14:05.03 | jnwhiteh | I'm not Blizzard.. so I can't? |
| 14:05.30 | foxlit | (table.insert is made of evil!) |
| 14:06.01 | Maldivia | foxlit: no, evil is made from table.insert |
| 14:06.11 | krka | jnwhiteh: yeah, just venting |
| 14:06.29 | krka | the fact that lua itselfs uses crappy formats doesn't help :/ |
| 14:06.42 | krka | imo, it should be table.append and table.insert |
| 14:06.55 | jnwhiteh | agreed |
| 14:07.19 | krka | optional parameters are ok, if they always have the same meaning, regardless of the other parameters |
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| 14:08.27 | Xinhuan | i stand by what i said ;p |
| 14:08.29 | Xinhuan | its implied that if you use an index, rank is not necessary |
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| 14:09.01 | nevcairiel | to you :p |
| 14:09.34 | nevcairiel | you have to consider that people reading this on the book may not have any experience with the wow api |
| 14:09.47 | jnwhiteh | UnitAura("unit", [index] or ["name", "rank"] [, "filter"]) |
| 14:09.54 | Xinhuan | then the only real way is to define it twice |
| 14:09.58 | jnwhiteh | do we agree that in some effed up world this names sense? |
| 14:10.02 | Kaso | is there a module around for stand alone lua which will serialise tables like wow's SavedVariables are? |
| 14:10.14 | jnwhiteh | then in the documentation for rank state that it can be nil? |
| 14:10.17 | Xinhuan | replace those [] with () maybe |
| 14:10.27 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: this matches WoW's own error messages |
| 14:10.29 | krka | does that mean UnitAura(unit, index, filter) or UnitAura(unit, name, rank, filter)? |
| 14:10.35 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.35 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.40 | jnwhiteh | krka: yes |
| 14:10.45 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: yeah it makes sense, some line of doc explaining how it really works with index/name+rank, and all iss set |
| 14:10.49 | jnwhiteh | with filter being optional |
| 14:10.52 | Xinhuan | so just copy wow's one? heh |
| 14:10.56 | krka | I'd document it as: |
| 14:11.03 | jnwhiteh | and technically if filter is not included, rank can be left out as well |
| 14:11.21 | krka | UnitAura(unit, index, [filter]) or UnitAura(unit, name, rank, [filter])? |
| 14:11.31 | jnwhiteh | that's what Xinhuan said a long time ago |
| 14:11.38 | jnwhiteh | but it has a few issues with it that I'm not sure how to handle |
| 14:11.41 | krka | i can't read what everyone writes :P |
| 14:11.41 | jnwhiteh | but I can probably make it work |
| 14:11.52 | jnwhiteh | then conversing must be pretty difficult! |
| 14:12.03 | krka | I'll do the "but I have a baby" defense |
| 14:12.11 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 14:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, baby is fired until proper communication skills are learned! :) |
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| 14:27.53 | Kraps | to update LH i need to d/l it again right? |
| 14:27.58 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 14:28.14 | Kraps | k |
| 14:29.42 | Kraps | any tanks here user tankpoints? |
| 14:29.52 | Kraps | s/user/use/ |
| 14:31.32 | phyber | jnwhiteh: is the code for lua_bot available anywhere or is it sekrit? |
| 14:31.42 | jnwhiteh | its not secret |
| 14:32.09 | phyber | got a link? the lua_bot page on lua-users doesn't link it :) |
| 14:32.17 | jnwhiteh | i didn't say it was publically available |
| 14:32.20 | jnwhiteh | what do you want from it?> |
| 14:32.23 | phyber | ah :) |
| 14:32.33 | mikma | i want the whole code!!!11 |
| 14:32.38 | phyber | I wanted to run it on irc at work, to play with it. |
| 14:33.13 | jnwhiteh | for what purpose? for running lua code, for writing an irc bot? |
| 14:33.22 | jnwhiteh | i'm asking so i know what to send you |
| 14:34.53 | phyber | for what it does here, really. lua> dothings(), etc. see how it was done, etc. |
| 14:36.03 | jnwhiteh | i can send you the core module and the luabot module along with the sandbox |
| 14:36.07 | jnwhiteh | that's enough to get it up and running |
| 14:36.11 | phyber | cool :) |
| 14:36.24 | jnwhiteh | but I don't want little clones of luabot running around |
| 14:36.27 | jnwhiteh | that would be bad for everyone |
| 14:36.40 | phyber | yeah, it's not going to end up on a public network or anything. |
| 14:36.41 | Lopeppeppy | "There can be only one" |
| 14:36.43 | nevcairiel | kinda cute if you think about it :) |
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| 14:37.16 | nevcairiel | small lua_bots, alll looking up to the original one 0) |
| 14:38.01 | Kraps | how do i use tour giude? |
| 14:38.07 | Kraps | guide |
| 14:38.21 | nevcairiel | Don't ask how, just do it! |
| 14:38.38 | mikma | Do it. |
| 14:38.41 | Kraps | ... |
| 14:38.58 | Kraps | i see any thing that shows that its there |
| 14:39.01 | nevcairiel | Well you do see that box on your screen that says "no guide loaded"? |
| 14:39.19 | nevcairiel | if you don't, you fail at installing |
| 14:40.02 | Kraps | k look, i see it in my "installed addons" list |
| 14:40.29 | nevcairiel | If its installed and running, you should see the guide box on your screen |
| 14:41.05 | nevcairiel | You could also check the interface section in the options and see if tour guide is listed tehre. |
| 14:41.39 | Kraps | oh yeah, on the side theres a thing that says the name of a quest |
| 14:41.54 | nevcairiel | then you even loaded a guide already :) |
| 14:42.06 | Kraps | wtf do i with it :/ |
| 14:42.16 | nevcairiel | You can click the quest to see the full guide listing, or just do the quest it tells you to do |
| 14:42.23 | jnwhiteh | http://tekkub.net |
| 14:42.24 | jnwhiteh | read |
| 14:42.26 | jnwhiteh | it tells you what to do |
| 14:43.18 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: how do I do that |
| 14:43.29 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 14:43.30 | jnwhiteh | its a website |
| 14:43.31 | jnwhiteh | you go to it |
| 14:43.33 | jnwhiteh | and click on a link |
| 14:43.36 | jnwhiteh | then stab yourself in the eye! |
| 14:43.42 | mikma | with a spoon! |
| 14:43.47 | Kraps | theres no icecrown guide |
| 14:43.55 | mikma | no there is not. |
| 14:43.55 | Kalroth | http://bash.org/?3936 |
| 14:43.59 | Kalroth | ^- I was quoting this |
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| 14:44.16 | mikma | none of the leveling guides have icecrown |
| 14:44.25 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 14:44.42 | mikma | that's why we have LightHeaded |
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| 14:44.52 | Kraps | i was hoping more for a carbonite/QH kind of deal |
| 14:45.43 | Teomyr | Kalroth, http://www.teomyr.eu/wowhead/irc-quotes?ids=6 |
| 14:45.47 | Teomyr | déjà-vu |
| 14:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | Each addon is unique. *gentle shrug* I use Tourguide, TomTom and Lightheaded, I'm pretty happy. |
| 14:45.59 | Kalroth | Teomyr: You stalker! :( |
| 14:46.07 | Teomyr | haha |
| 14:46.30 | Teomyr | I know the quotes by heart |
| 14:47.32 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: not trying to difficult, but as it is now, TG has no use to my 80 except if i want to do low level quests |
| 14:48.17 | nevcairiel | Its not designed to have any use for a lvl 80 |
| 14:48.19 | nevcairiel | its a leveling guide |
| 14:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | It's a leveling sorta thing, Kraps. It's not supposed to be for level 80's unless they *are* going back to do low level quests. |
| 14:48.46 | Kraps | ok, i misunderstood that then |
| 14:48.47 | mikma | kraps: you want carbonite? go use carbonite. it's that simple :) |
| 14:49.03 | nevcairiel | Even then its not that mighty helpful, as it plots a fast route through a level, not exactly the "do all quests in the zone" route =) |
| 14:49.09 | nevcairiel | (for loremaster, eg) |
| 14:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | It's a level-fast-and-efficient guide. *nod* |
| 14:49.29 | Lopeppeppy | I use EveryQuest for making sure I get them all. |
| 14:49.48 | Aelobin | lul EverQuest :p |
| 14:49.50 | Kraps | mikma: i have carbonite, looking for something w/o a damn popup :/ |
| 14:50.02 | nevcairiel | Kraps: pay for it, no popup anymore xD |
| 14:50.07 | Kraps | rofl |
| 14:50.13 | mikma | LightHeaded. |
| 14:50.15 | nevcairiel | or use quest helper, its free |
| 14:50.27 | nevcairiel | no popups either |
| 14:50.37 | Kraps | resorce heavy and iffy |
| 14:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, my package is out for delivery!!! |
| 14:50.48 | Kraps | spelling* |
| 14:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | If it requires a signature I'm going to blow up someone's kneecaps. |
| 14:51.12 | malreth | what'd you order, Peppy? |
| 14:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing exciting, a new wristlet since I break mine all the time. |
| 14:51.32 | nevcairiel | Then use LightHeaded and TomTom, requires more user interaction, but its very light =p |
| 14:51.51 | Kraps | ima try that now |
| 14:51.53 | malreth | wristlet? |
| 14:51.59 | nevcairiel | Thats what i did for questing through icecrown fwiw |
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| 14:52.06 | nevcairiel | heck for all my leveling |
| 14:52.11 | WobWork | http://vimeo.com/3773677 |
| 14:52.14 | WobWork | nice HD =) |
| 14:52.16 | nevcairiel | I only use TG on alts |
| 14:53.07 | WobWork | I miss TG in horde northrend =( |
| 14:53.26 | Kraps | nevcairiel: it works for icecrown dailies too ya? |
| 14:53.57 | nevcairiel | WobWork: thats so awesome |
| 14:54.36 | WobWork | Cause really, the zelda theme makes anything awesome. But the telsa coils? uberawesome =) |
| 14:54.59 | Lopeppeppy | malreth -- not a purse, just something for my cellphone and a few cards and cash. I'm not a girly-girl. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CZP56Q |
| 14:55.13 | malreth | ah |
| 14:55.31 | mikma | hello kitty purse |
| 14:55.38 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy iz a gurl ???@!!!!!onw!! |
| 14:55.38 | mikma | + tiara |
| 14:55.41 | Lopeppeppy | .... no. |
| 14:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a dino, Kraps, that's the problem. |
| 14:55.54 | Kraps | damn |
| 14:56.06 | theorbtwo | So a wristlet is just a wallet with a strap? |
| 14:56.15 | Kalroth | mikma: http://www.amazon.com/Hello-Kitty-Wallet-00342-purse-available/dp/B000TGEV6Y |
| 14:56.24 | Kraps | how do you become a CM? |
| 14:56.51 | Lopeppeppy | Work for Blizz, Kraps. As I understand, all CMs already worked at Bliz. |
| 14:57.12 | Kraps | thats what you are right? |
| 14:57.19 | Kraps | green = CM? |
| 14:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Um, no, I'm a dino. MVP is different. |
| 14:57.25 | Kraps | oh |
| 14:57.56 | Kraps | so my question is: how do you become an MVP? |
| 14:58.23 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's different for everyone. I was approached after being a helpful and polite forum doobee for a while. |
| 14:58.53 | Kraps | thats nice |
| 15:00.28 | Kraps | hmm someone wants me to tank h up |
| 15:00.43 | Kraps | and the daily after lol |
| 15:01.03 | Kraps | i dont pug wipefest instances |
| 15:01.29 | Wraithan | Well that blows, I was going to start using Wintergrasper Advanced + the LDB addon because I wanted a ldb wintergrasp addon but that author pulled his work |
| 15:01.53 | Kraps | dont want to put myself on suicide watch |
| 15:02.22 | malreth | hey... make sure you tell the author how selfish he's being... that always gets a positive response |
| 15:03.16 | Wraithan | That wasn't my point, just saying it sucks in general |
| 15:03.46 | Wraithan | Authors can do as they please, just as I can express the opinion that this sucks |
| 15:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | malreth was being sarcasm-ful, as is his norm. *pokepoke* |
| 15:04.08 | Wraithan | Anyone know of another addon that does the wintergrasp time via LDB? |
| 15:04.21 | malreth | rolls over and giggles at being *pokepoked* |
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| 15:04.42 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, I'm gonna be ill, malreth. :P |
| 15:05.00 | malreth | really? you should sit down. Are you pregnant? |
| 15:05.57 | AckisWork | alert: my video card shit itself this morning |
| 15:06.05 | WobWork | Wraithan: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11940-WintergraspTimer.html ? |
| 15:06.59 | Wraithan | Lame, isn't on curse, oh well, hopefully it doesn't need updates very often |
| 15:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | Immaculate conception, malreth? I think not. |
| 15:07.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, mine is on the way there to join yours, methinks. |
| 15:08.04 | AckisWork | I need advice on what to do with it |
| 15:08.12 | AckisWork | it's an 8800 Ultra |
| 15:08.20 | AckisWork | ~15 months old |
| 15:08.36 | malreth | Not immaculate. Surreptitious conception. |
| 15:09.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis dear, replace it. Something sparkly? |
| 15:09.21 | Lopeppeppy | malreth -- I see. That's what those earplugs were for. |
| 15:09.25 | AckisWork | but it had ultra in it :( |
| 15:09.32 | Lopeppeppy | Get other ultra? |
| 15:09.47 | AckisWork | that makes too much sense |
| 15:09.53 | WobWork | writes on a sticker with a sharpie: "ULTRA" |
| 15:09.58 | Kraps | speaking of Immaculate conception, i just found out that alternate side parking is suspended on Immaculate Conception day |
| 15:09.59 | WobWork | hands AckisWork the sticker |
| 15:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | Damn wimminz making sense. |
| 15:10.18 | WobWork | stick that on another card |
| 15:10.19 | Kraps | never heard of that day till now |
| 15:10.21 | AckisWork | oh I got a court subpeno last night lol |
| 15:10.38 | malreth | Dictionary word for the day: Surreptitious - adjective. Done by stealth. From Latin surripere meaning to snatch secretly |
| 15:10.43 | WobWork | why are you being served? =P |
| 15:10.44 | malreth | also, i said "snatch" |
| 15:10.46 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, what did you do? |
| 15:11.00 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, malreth said snatch. *cue the Bevis and Butthead theme* |
| 15:11.01 | AckisWork | didn't pay a parking ticket lol |
| 15:11.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis! *poke* Now you get to go pay it, plus a court fine. |
| 15:11.46 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: nah I had sent in a complaint about it prior to getting the notice and they said they'd investigate it but they sent the notice |
| 15:12.02 | AckisWork | so I'm gonna go to court and fight it I think |
| 15:12.14 | AckisWork | it depends on how lazy I am |
| 15:12.41 | AckisWork | is a day at court worth $50? methinks no |
| 15:12.50 | AckisWork | but it's the principal of the thing |
| 15:15.02 | cog|sleep | clicks away on his unicomp |
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| 15:16.19 | AckisWork | ok video card nerds... http://www.b-com.ca/home.php?cat=643&sort=price&sort_direction=1 explain that to me please? |
| 15:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | What... in particular... needs explaining? |
| 15:18.21 | AckisWork | wot do numbers mean? |
| 15:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | Which set of numbers? |
| 15:18.39 | Wraithan | They define how much of something there is. |
| 15:18.40 | AckisWork | exactly |
| 15:18.48 | cog|work | ~dict number |
| 15:18.51 | AckisWork | I has an 8800 ultra... which card compares to that |
| 15:18.55 | AckisWork | which cards are better |
| 15:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | Pick a card, Ackis, and ask for a breakdown. Link your current card for comparison data. |
| 15:19.06 | AckisWork | which cards do thy computer god/desses recommend? |
| 15:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | What kind of system do you have? |
| 15:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | What OS? How many monkeys? |
| 15:19.31 | Wraithan | I have a 3 monkey system. |
| 15:19.40 | Kraps | not to burst anyones bubble, but tomtom can give the same cords in the wrong zone :/ |
| 15:19.49 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 15:19.52 | |Jelly| | Woot! Forum bans with no notice. I love how Blizzard works. |
| 15:19.55 | AckisWork | OS = PC, 12 monkeys!! (vista ultimate 65 bit!) |
| 15:20.04 | malreth | AckisWork: http://arstechnica.com/hardware/guides/ |
| 15:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | Uh ohs, Jelly, did that come back to haunt you? |
| 15:20.12 | |Jelly| | *shrug* |
| 15:20.14 | malreth | pick the most recent System Guide |
| 15:20.29 | malreth | either the Budget, Hot Rod, or Ultimate depending on how much you want to spend |
| 15:20.41 | malreth | you can't really go wrong with ArsTechnica picks |
| 15:20.45 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: No idea what you mean there.. |
| 15:21.21 | WobWork | tomtom takes a zone as one of the arguments, doesn't it? |
| 15:21.29 | jnwhiteh | of course |
| 15:21.36 | Lopeppeppy | The GEforce 8800 set is what I was looking to get as my next card, probably. |
| 15:21.40 | cog|work | speaking of tom tom... some jackass on the general forum tried to claim you used to charge for it... O.o |
| 15:21.50 | WobWork | so if there's a 'wrong zone' it probably due to the zone not being put -in- as an argument |
| 15:22.12 | WobWork | cog|work: idiot tax, maybe |
| 15:22.29 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: i've never charged, as you know |
| 15:22.33 | jnwhiteh | zygor used to sell it |
| 15:22.36 | jnwhiteh | in his guide |
| 15:22.39 | Kraps | when i click a coord in LH, i got a waypoint in stormpeaks when i was in icecrown |
| 15:22.50 | cog|work | interesting |
| 15:22.53 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: what kind of coord was it? |
| 15:23.02 | jnwhiteh | that's working as intended, if it was an NPC coordinate |
| 15:23.03 | Pneumatus | he's back to packaging cartographer3 with it now |
| 15:23.07 | WobWork | those two zones do overlap a bit |
| 15:23.12 | WobWork | so that might have something to do with it |
| 15:23.29 | Kraps | i was at shadow vault |
| 15:23.45 | WobWork | hm, nowhere near the border then =\ |
| 15:24.04 | WobWork | Do you recall what the coord was of? |
| 15:24.09 | jnwhiteh | perhaps you could answer my question |
| 15:24.17 | jnwhiteh | considering its extremely relevant |
| 15:24.40 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13069#comments:id=455457 |
| 15:24.53 | Kraps | the coords in this comment |
| 15:25.02 | jnwhiteh | then i can almost guarantee you have an addon that is fucking with the map |
| 15:25.10 | Kraps | hmm |
| 15:25.34 | jnwhiteh | sitting in a zone and typing /way 50 50 |
| 15:25.36 | Kraps | it got the icecrown one after a second click |
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| 15:25.54 | jnwhiteh | that should always place the coordinate in the center of the current zone |
| 15:26.14 | WobWork | is it placing the target in icecrown at 32,24? |
| 15:26.41 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: yeah it did that |
| 15:26.53 | Pneumatus | hmm, would charging for a pdf that amongst other things contained text you could c/p to create an addon from break the new addon rules? |
| 15:26.58 | Kraps | WobWork: after a socond click on the coords |
| 15:27.05 | Pneumatus | like, for example the wowlua book |
| 15:27.05 | Kraps | second * |
| 15:27.15 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: i heard that tomtom doesn't work in the wrath beta! |
| 15:27.21 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't. |
| 15:27.29 | jnwhiteh | they removed the GetFacing of the player arrow |
| 15:27.31 | jnwhiteh | and added an APi function |
| 15:27.37 | jnwhiteh | i have it working, astrolabe was updated |
| 15:27.37 | WobWork | Kraps: Also, don't bother with that daily =( It's utterly horrific |
| 15:27.40 | jnwhiteh | but i'm not commiting it yet. |
| 15:27.54 | AckisWork | *sigh* |
| 15:28.03 | Kraps | WobWork: ... its one of the top 5 funnest dailies |
| 15:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | Pneumatus, are you talking of selling contents of someone's copyrighted book? |
| 15:28.13 | WobWork | it's ridiculously painful |
| 15:28.14 | Kraps | FPS FTW |
| 15:28.25 | WobWork | since the guns don't aim properly |
| 15:28.34 | WobWork | nor do they fire as expected |
| 15:28.41 | WobWork | and they have a terrible range |
| 15:28.59 | Kraps | ever heard of "leading" a target? |
| 15:29.09 | Pneumatus | Lopeppeppy: if someone writes a book which they charge for, which contains code to create a specific addon, would that be breaching the new addon rules |
| 15:29.23 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:29.27 | Kraps | learned it in an airforce game |
| 15:29.27 | Lopeppeppy | Pneumatus, that's already been talked to death, short answer, no. |
| 15:29.48 | Pneumatus | so carbonite just distribute source in a c/p pdf file and profit++? |
| 15:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Who knows. |
| 15:30.03 | Legorol | nope Pneumatus |
| 15:30.03 | Lopeppeppy | Who cares? |
| 15:30.07 | jnwhiteh | and everyone then gets carbonite for free |
| 15:30.11 | jnwhiteh | and they no longer get money |
| 15:30.13 | Lopeppeppy | exactly, no profit. |
| 15:30.18 | jnwhiteh | .. see where your system breaks down? |
| 15:30.19 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:30.31 | Kraps | depending on the distance to a moving target, you have to shoot in front of it a certain distance |
| 15:30.33 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: tbh, people could get it for free only if they broke copyright |
| 15:30.40 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: correct |
| 15:30.44 | Pneumatus | exactly |
| 15:30.53 | Legorol | so that's not really a valid argument :) |
| 15:30.57 | Legorol | however, i'd argue the following: |
| 15:30.58 | WobWork | Kraps: It'd difficult to lead a target when your gun only moves 30degrees |
| 15:30.59 | nevcairiel | people can already get it for free if they break copyright |
| 15:31.08 | Pneumatus | and people that are willing to break copyright will be doing that already |
| 15:31.17 | Legorol | when a judge/court looks at a situation, they aren't dumb. If you distribute the source code on paper with the intent that people type it in and use it, |
| 15:31.19 | WobWork | Kraps: And you also have to shoot the target multiple times |
| 15:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | None of it is. What's with all this internet lawyering? Carbonite can do it themselves, they don't need a bunch of code monkeys thinking up clever workarounds on their behalf. |
| 15:31.26 | Kraps | WobWork: true, but its not too bad imo |
| 15:31.29 | WobWork | Kraps: As interesting and fun as the concept may be |
| 15:31.30 | Legorol | it'd be obvious that the intent was to circumvent the policy |
| 15:31.35 | WobWork | it's terribly executed for that quest |
| 15:31.37 | Lopeppeppy | Intent matters. |
| 15:31.48 | nevcairiel | Legorol: it worked for PGP to circumvent crazy US encryption laws |
| 15:32.02 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: as paper |
| 15:32.06 | nevcairiel | well true |
| 15:32.08 | jnwhiteh | they could not send it electronically |
| 15:32.11 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, apples and oranges? |
| 15:32.14 | jnwhiteh | so that doesn't work |
| 15:32.14 | WobWork | Kraps: It could be done so much better =P Just by making the guns work properly |
| 15:32.23 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: both tasty |
| 15:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | both tasty, only one makes an apple pie though |
| 15:32.37 | WobWork | agrees with nevcairiel |
| 15:33.07 | WobWork | And only one makes orange juice... |
| 15:33.09 | Pneumatus | isnt the WoW Programming book available electronically? |
| 15:33.16 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:33.22 | WobWork | only tree version |
| 15:33.23 | jnwhiteh | not to my knowledge |
| 15:33.26 | Legorol | Pneumatus: that's irrelevant though |
| 15:33.31 | Legorol | you know why? |
| 15:33.41 | WobWork | "Cause we got the bombs"? |
| 15:33.52 | Legorol | because regardless of the policy, Blizzard can choose to not enforce it or to make exceptions in specific cases, in their sole discretion |
| 15:34.03 | Lopeppeppy | cheers Legorol. |
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| 15:34.19 | Legorol | it's not a criminal offence to break the policy, therefore the police doesn't have to charge you by law |
| 15:34.20 | WobWork | As it always has been =) |
| 15:34.34 | Legorol | the bottom line: |
| 15:34.47 | jnwhiteh | UnitAura("unit", index [, "filter"]) or UnitAura("unit", "name" [, "rank" [, "filter"]]) |
| 15:34.47 | jnwhiteh | table.insert(table [, pos], value) |
| 15:34.48 | jnwhiteh | table.concat(table [, "sep" [, i [, j]]]) |
| 15:34.52 | jnwhiteh | are we happy with these three? |
| 15:34.58 | Legorol | Blizzard, by making the policy public, basically gets to decide. |
| 15:35.45 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: i personally never liked an optional argument in the middle |
| 15:35.55 | Legorol | but that's how Lua implementors did table.insert |
| 15:35.59 | Legorol | which is a bit of a pity :) |
| 15:36.04 | cog|work | 08:33 <+Legorol> because regardless of the policy, Blizzard can choose to not enforce it or to make exceptions in specific cases, in their sole discretion |
| 15:36.15 | cog|work | in other words we all have to live in fear until and unless they clarify their position |
| 15:36.25 | Legorol | cog|work: not really |
| 15:36.30 | malreth | not true |
| 15:36.34 | Legorol | the situation is clear: don't do it, unless blizzard gives you specific permission |
| 15:36.37 | malreth | some of us will happily live in anger |
| 15:36.52 | Legorol | just assume that blizzard will enforce it in all cases |
| 15:37.05 | Kraps | WobWork: THIS quest sucks because there are like 2/3 banners to burn when i get there, and i have it a few weeks already http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13084 |
| 15:37.27 | WobWork | I thought there were more further down? |
| 15:37.27 | cog|work | then what's the point in reminding us of their discretion? |
| 15:37.34 | PProvost | Despite the fact that I disagree in principle with this whole thing, I'm just going to continue to write addons that make me happy, give them away for free, and not stress out about all this. I don't have time to let this upset me. |
| 15:38.12 | WobWork | Kraps: If you really really want rep, I advise you just tabard it =P |
| 15:38.37 | Kraps | na i have all my tabard rep up :) |
| 15:38.45 | WobWork | Kraps: http://www.wowhead.com/?object=191820 |
| 15:38.59 | Kraps | damn |
| 15:39.08 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 15:39.13 | mikma | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/02/04/hp-releases-netbook-interface-for-ubuntu/ |
| 15:39.20 | Legorol | cog|work: good point. Plan for the worst, and hope for the best. |
| 15:39.29 | Kraps | btw, questing in prot gear is win |
| 15:39.58 | WobWork | mikma: that looks pretty cool |
| 15:40.16 | cog|work | Legorol: /agree :) |
| 15:41.07 | WobWork | Kraps: I'm of the same impression with tanking gear =) |
| 15:41.27 | Legorol | I like questing with prot gear with loads of +BV from TBC |
| 15:41.36 | WobWork | I just run around rounding up those wolvar pups and completely ignore the nursemaids |
| 15:41.38 | Legorol | that's not exactly my tanking gear, but it's specifically tailored for questing |
| 15:42.01 | WobWork | BV? |
| 15:42.05 | Legorol | block value |
| 15:42.13 | WobWork | hehe "ignore mobs value" |
| 15:42.18 | Legorol | (not to be confused with block rating) |
| 15:42.29 | Kraps | (now why did i say "prot" gear?) |
| 15:42.36 | WobWork | cause you're a pally? |
| 15:42.38 | Legorol | we have a warrior tank who is nuts about block value |
| 15:42.39 | Kraps | i meant tank geat |
| 15:42.56 | Legorol | Kraps: raid tanking gear is not so much fun to quest in |
| 15:43.03 | WobWork | I wish I could use block value =( |
| 15:43.17 | Legorol | this warrior has prot value stacked so high, he can tank the whelps on 3D and they don't do any damage to hi |
| 15:43.18 | Legorol | *him |
| 15:43.20 | WobWork | Legorol: I've never had a problem with it =) |
| 15:43.24 | Legorol | s/prot value/block value/ |
| 15:43.43 | Kraps | Legorol: i dont think block value is that great to sweat over personally |
| 15:43.57 | Legorol | Kraps: then you never did serious tanking in TBC :) |
| 15:44.04 | Kraps | true |
| 15:44.05 | Legorol | and it just got better in Wrath |
| 15:44.16 | Legorol | however, it also disappeared in Wrath, because it's too good :o) |
| 15:44.34 | Legorol | it also means that items with it are only useful for prot warriors |
| 15:44.44 | Legorol | such highly specialised items were generally pulled from loot tables |
| 15:44.52 | Legorol | or rather, i should say, they were never on in the first place much |
| 15:45.23 | Legorol | there are blue L70 items with higher block value from TBC than any you can find at 80 |
| 15:45.29 | Kraps | this is my tank set |
| 15:45.31 | Kraps | http://armorylite.com/us/Dalvengyr/Ertis |
| 15:45.37 | Kraps | thats it |
| 15:45.59 | Kraps | i have 3 block stuff in the bank that i never use |
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| 15:46.26 | Kraps | shoulders are not gemmed cuz i just got em |
| 15:46.35 | Legorol | Kraps: but you get a lot of block value from strength now |
| 15:46.40 | Legorol | that's a big change from TBC |
| 15:47.01 | Legorol | unfortunately, armorylite doesn't show block value |
| 15:47.38 | nevcairiel | stacking pure block-value is overrated anyway, if you really want to increase your block, stack more strength, it has more benefits |
| 15:47.44 | WobWork | hm, that's a lot of defense |
| 15:47.45 | Kraps | i know you get a lot of block value from strength now, but i dont gear specifically for it |
| 15:47.59 | Kraps | WobWork: too much? :D |
| 15:48.05 | WobWork | well... |
| 15:48.11 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i agree |
| 15:48.11 | WobWork | defense is always good =) |
| 15:48.17 | Legorol | stacking pure block value is for fun mostly |
| 15:48.18 | nevcairiel | There can't be "too much" defense, especially as a warrior |
| 15:48.28 | nevcairiel | because you benefit from everything defense offers |
| 15:48.28 | Legorol | but, you can get more bv in certain slots with L70 items than you can with any L80 in game atm :o) |
| 15:48.49 | WobWork | I guess I worry more about avoidance since I don't use block =) |
| 15:49.07 | Kraps | i just need epic bracers to put +40 stam on |
| 15:49.08 | Legorol | WobWork: even for DK, defense remains a good stat after the soft cap |
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| 15:49.17 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:49.19 | WobWork | true, but a 'good' stat |
| 15:49.20 | selckin | there is no cap. |
| 15:49.24 | selckin | there is a minimum |
| 15:49.33 | Legorol | Kraps: yes your tanking gear is nice, and is decent enough for soloing. thanks god they made prot warrior soloing in tank gear bearable in Wrath |
| 15:49.34 | nevcairiel | thats why you say soft cap |
| 15:49.43 | Legorol | selckin: minimum is 0 :P |
| 15:49.48 | Wraithan | After the soft cap it still helps because of avoidance and IBF |
| 15:49.48 | WobWork | I'd still put dodge in, as I'm below the diminishing cap for it if it'll benefit more than the defense would |
| 15:49.49 | Legorol | selckin: and i said soft cap on purpose |
| 15:49.59 | nevcairiel | You stop benefiting from one stat that defense gives you |
| 15:50.02 | nevcairiel | thus, a "cap" |
| 15:50.26 | Legorol | WobWork: that's a sane approach, but be careful with that. If you stack dodge too high, due to DR, the spread benefits of defense will start making it better than dodge again |
| 15:50.32 | WobWork | well, the 'stat' the softcap refers to is more of a reduction in crit chance =) |
| 15:50.44 | WobWork | Legorol: aye, I'm nowhere near that quite yet =) |
| 15:51.04 | WobWork | although, IBF benefits directly from defense =\ |
| 15:51.20 | Legorol | i don't tend to worry too much about the distinction between defense and dodge |
| 15:51.25 | Legorol | i rate them the same, which makes my life easy |
| 15:51.40 | Wraithan | I rate dodge higher if I am def capped |
| 15:51.42 | Legorol | in practice, they work out very close to each other, one a bit better than the other depending on gear level |
| 15:51.54 | Legorol | Wraithan: i don't, because of DR |
| 15:51.56 | WobWork | Wraithan: until you hit the DR for dodge |
| 15:51.57 | Kraps | do i put http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40003 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40034 in the shoulders? leaning toward the former |
| 15:52.04 | Legorol | WobWork: DR is always there, right from 0 |
| 15:52.09 | WobWork | well yes |
| 15:52.29 | Wraithan | Yeah, I am not too worried about avoidance or defense right now with my dk |
| 15:52.33 | Legorol | which is why i don't bother splitting hairs, and just say: "well, dodge is a tiny bit better sometimes, defense gets better other times, might as well treat them 1-1 to make life easy" |
| 15:52.33 | Wraithan | just want to stack STA now |
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| 15:52.40 | nevcairiel | Kraps: ask yourself, do you have threat issues? ;) |
| 15:52.44 | WobWork | but once you hit cap, you're looking at the actual dodge/parry values the defense rating gives you compared to the dodge/parry rating the dodge and parry give you |
| 15:52.58 | Wraithan | I have 564 def in combat, and 53% avoidance in combat |
| 15:53.11 | Kraps | nevcairiel: warriors always do :0 |
| 15:53.18 | Legorol | Wraithan: how do you get 564 def :O |
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| 15:53.24 | Kraps | stupis 6 sec cd |
| 15:53.26 | nevcairiel | not true, imho, but suit yourself :D |
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| 15:53.35 | Legorol | Wraithan: i'm at least half i213 epics, i have SG on my weapon, and i can barely get tot 550-ish |
| 15:53.48 | Wraithan | I am in pre-raid gear is how |
| 15:53.57 | nevcairiel | the stupid raid epics have low def values |
| 15:53.58 | Legorol | in pre-raid gear, it's even bigger problem |
| 15:54.02 | WobWork | agrees =( |
| 15:54.05 | nevcairiel | pre-raid has more defense |
| 15:54.06 | nevcairiel | imho. |
| 15:54.11 | Legorol | hmm |
| 15:54.13 | Lothaer | hey cairenn u there? |
| 15:54.13 | WobWork | http://armorylite.com/us/Proudmoore/snuusnu |
| 15:54.17 | Wraithan | Yeah, preraid has TONS of defense |
| 15:54.31 | Legorol | do you mean the daunting stuff? |
| 15:54.33 | WobWork | preraid is much easier to get defense |
| 15:54.35 | nevcairiel | Thats where SG and that sigil come in |
| 15:54.37 | Legorol | yes they do stack a lot of defense, true |
| 15:54.41 | WobWork | aye |
| 15:54.45 | WobWork | daunting legplates |
| 15:54.47 | WobWork | and gauntlets? |
| 15:54.58 | Wraithan | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&n=Ritterwraith |
| 15:55.02 | Lothaer | seems to be a issue with the new donate popup |
| 15:55.02 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/untitled1.jpg |
| 15:55.07 | nevcairiel | I was def-capped before SG and the sigil, but i could finally replace some parts after it with better stuff with less defense |
| 15:55.25 | Wraithan | Once I get my legs from VH my defense will get even higher |
| 15:55.26 | Wraithan | lol |
| 15:55.27 | Legorol | i could never get soft cap on def without SG, even pre-raid |
| 15:55.27 | nevcairiel | Lothaer: force refresh, they seem to have modified the css and caching issues |
| 15:55.28 | WobWork | <3 SG |
| 15:55.31 | Legorol | i had to have SG |
| 15:55.51 | Legorol | having said that, i can finally replace SG now that someone pointed out the procrate on sigil is 100% |
| 15:55.54 | Legorol | so i finally bought it |
| 15:56.22 | nevcairiel | well what would you use instead? parry? |
| 15:56.22 | WobWork | for the IT defense one? |
| 15:56.28 | nevcairiel | SG is still good |
| 15:56.31 | WobWork | aye |
| 15:56.34 | Kraps | Defense rating of 740 is not optimal: 738 or 743 may be better |
| 15:56.35 | WobWork | the 2% stam is nice |
| 15:56.36 | Kraps | Expertise rating of 77 is not optimal: 74 or 82 may be better |
| 15:56.37 | Legorol | parry is better than SG |
| 15:56.38 | Kraps | wah? |
| 15:56.47 | Wraithan | Kraps: heh |
| 15:57.01 | Wraithan | Because of how it rounds |
| 15:57.08 | WobWork | Kraps: I think perhaps it has to do with the brackets it works from |
| 15:57.09 | nevcairiel | Its probably the points where it jumps one full point |
| 15:57.43 | WobWork | where the rating converts to value |
| 15:57.53 | Wraithan | It has to do with rounding, because bliz doesn't give you .5 defense when you are in combat, it is full points only |
| 15:58.05 | nevcairiel | But thats a weird thing to optimize on, nevertheless :) |
| 15:58.36 | nevcairiel | Like you can just rip out 2 points of rating |
| 15:58.45 | Wraithan | be.imba is not just a raid check tool, it is a character optimizing tool |
| 15:58.54 | WobWork | hehe |
| 15:59.13 | Wraithan | It is meant for min/max |
| 15:59.17 | Kraps | ooohh http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40058 |
| 15:59.42 | nevcairiel | Amazing how much space i have in my inventory after cleaning it up a bit |
| 15:59.50 | nevcairiel | I carry around my 2 feral sets and there is still space |
| 15:59.56 | Wraithan | I'd never socket for hit/exp unless I was having serious threat issues |
| 15:59.56 | nevcairiel | (granted both sets overlap quite a bit) |
| 16:00.21 | selckin | i love my expertese :\ |
| 16:00.22 | Kraps | Wraithan: capping is good no? |
| 16:00.43 | Wraithan | sta ftw |
| 16:00.44 | nevcairiel | I dunno if any of our tanks are really hit capped |
| 16:00.54 | nevcairiel | or expertise for that matter |
| 16:00.57 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40099 stack spirit imo |
| 16:01.19 | WobWork | I'm not =( |
| 16:01.37 | Wraithan | if I need the socket bonus, I might socket for hit/exp but it would have sta too |
| 16:01.47 | Kraps | i'm at 7.38, cap is 8 ya? |
| 16:02.00 | WobWork | according to be.imba, my only real issues are hitcap |
| 16:02.01 | WobWork | yeah |
| 16:02.01 | nevcairiel | yeah i'm using some exp/sta gems |
| 16:02.18 | Wraithan | I am a total HP whore |
| 16:02.58 | Kraps | i had exp/sta in my heroes shoulders, but i like the exp/hit one now :/ |
| 16:03.02 | WobWork | i <3 my hp pool |
| 16:03.11 | WobWork | 36k is a shiny shiny thing |
| 16:03.17 | WobWork | (until you need to eat to replenish it) |
| 16:03.24 | Kraps | zomg |
| 16:03.39 | WobWork | (that's raidbuffed, natch) |
| 16:03.54 | Kaso | my metatables are malfunctioning! |
| 16:03.57 | Kraps | i know my 26.8k is low unbuffed is a bit low |
| 16:04.06 | nevcairiel | hm did they remove all dummys from dalaran or am i just blind? |
| 16:04.09 | Kaso | (alliteratively awesome) |
| 16:04.12 | durcyn | i think i got my druid up to 53k raid buffed with the polar crap |
| 16:04.19 | durcyn | nevcairiel: they haven't been there since beta closed |
| 16:04.24 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 16:04.43 | nevcairiel | thats what you get for being a healer, you don't know where the dummys are =P |
| 16:04.46 | WobWork | durcyn: hehe I'll never be able to compete with a druid =) |
| 16:05.04 | nevcairiel | druids get nerfed in 3.1 |
| 16:05.09 | WobWork | =( |
| 16:05.12 | WobWork | in what sense? |
| 16:05.14 | nevcairiel | their bonus HP talent gets cut in half |
| 16:05.18 | WobWork | half!? |
| 16:05.22 | durcyn | RIP hotw :( |
| 16:05.24 | WobWork | that's horrific =( |
| 16:05.26 | nevcairiel | from 20% to 10% bonus |
| 16:05.48 | durcyn | and forcing ferals to pick up imp motw to make up part of the gap is just rude |
| 16:05.52 | WobWork | "I'm sorry, but we made your fur thinner" |
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| 16:06.00 | nevcairiel | savage denfese is kinda awesome, though |
| 16:06.06 | WobWork | "Bear Pattern Baldness" |
| 16:06.12 | durcyn | like i need more points in resto |
| 16:06.36 | WobWork | gah |
| 16:06.37 | Kraps | resto tank ftw |
| 16:06.42 | nevcairiel | speccing bear is still pretty easy, imho. a good cat spec is rather hard these days, way too many talents |
| 16:06.43 | WobWork | I have a tank, and I'm just making a dps (hunter) |
| 16:06.49 | WobWork | and -now- I want to roll a healer =( |
| 16:07.02 | durcyn | WobWork: make a priest, they're way over the top in 3.1 |
| 16:07.03 | WobWork | I don't know if I want to make a disc priest or a tree druid =\ |
| 16:07.09 | nevcairiel | go tree, imho |
| 16:07.25 | Kaso | does pairs() bypass the __index metamethod of a table? |
| 16:07.26 | durcyn | coh/poh changes are going to eat the nerfbat so hard in a few months |
| 16:07.29 | Kraps | best healing class |
| 16:07.31 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.52 | WobWork | Kaso: I didn't think it accessed things by index |
| 16:07.52 | nevcairiel | what exactly changed in coh? |
| 16:07.58 | durcyn | well, mostly poh |
| 16:08.09 | WobWork | oh wait pairs |
| 16:08.10 | Kaso | is it possible for me to "hide" a table index from pairs then somehow? |
| 16:08.14 | WobWork | (I'm thinking next) |
| 16:08.21 | nevcairiel | Its kinda sad that priest got a load of buffs and druids got nerfed :( |
| 16:08.35 | nevcairiel | Kaso: not really unless you use a proxy table |
| 16:08.41 | WobWork | Kaso: Not pairs, maybe ipairs |
| 16:08.42 | Wraithan | Both priests and druids got their mana regen nerfed |
| 16:08.45 | Kraps | "priest got a load of buffs" orly? |
| 16:08.55 | nevcairiel | druids don't care for the spirit change |
| 16:08.58 | Kraps | show me |
| 16:09.06 | nevcairiel | to compensate they nerfed lifebloom cost |
| 16:09.21 | nevcairiel | (as in, increased) |
| 16:10.22 | Kraps | the spirit is going to make leveling harder |
| 16:10.31 | Kraps | spirit nerf |
| 16:10.32 | WobWork | hm, I need new bracers |
| 16:10.42 | nevcairiel | hm nah, you don't stack spirit on leveling anyway |
| 16:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | because leveling was -so- hard before. |
| 16:10.44 | WobWork | ones that don't have block on them |
| 16:10.45 | Kraps | WobWork: so do i! |
| 16:10.49 | Wraithan | Kraps that is why I am leveling my spriest faster |
| 16:11.11 | Kraps | Wraithan: mines a 64 disc priest |
| 16:11.38 | WobWork | You could upgrade to the 128 disc priest |
| 16:11.50 | Kraps | harhar |
| 16:12.06 | WobWork | my SV hunter just hit 71 |
| 16:12.25 | WobWork | I need to work a bit on mana efficency =\ |
| 16:12.41 | nevcairiel | Kraps: for your priest buffs, they buff CoH healing values by what, nearly 50%, give you PoH target-table, like any other class can still beat them in raidheal now |
| 16:12.43 | Kaso | hmm darn, im hoping to keep some metadata about a "hashtable" style table, ie the number of values in the table, etc, within the table, but still backwards compatible so i can pairs() over it and just see the raw data |
| 16:12.54 | WobWork | (also need to work on remember to swap -out- of bloody AotViper after half a bossfight) |
| 16:13.15 | AckisWork | hahah holy fuck: http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs029.snc1/2582_64035185657_539915657_2058931_5798791_n.jpg cat was busted! |
| 16:13.46 | WobWork | AckisWork: eh? |
| 16:13.47 | Kraps | nevcairiel: i didnt really understand what you wrote there sry :/ |
| 16:14.10 | AckisWork | WobWork: that's our hamster setup, we have it in a cage/etc so cats can't get at it |
| 16:14.26 | WobWork | clearly cat got in =) |
| 16:14.32 | WobWork | (but cat didn't get out) |
| 16:14.35 | AckisWork | lol yah totally busted |
| 16:14.49 | nevcairiel | Kraps: in simple words: They buffed CoH and PoH. More effective raid heal then any other class. |
| 16:14.50 | WobWork | hehe like scolding a cat will work =P |
| 16:15.15 | WobWork | nevcairiel: so no other class can beat them in raidheal now? |
| 16:15.23 | nevcairiel | I doubt it, anyway |
| 16:15.30 | Kraps | nevcairiel: link? |
| 16:15.35 | nevcairiel | patch notes |
| 16:15.43 | nevcairiel | * Circle of Healing: Healing increased by approximately 40%. |
| 16:15.50 | nevcairiel | * Prayer of Healing: This spell now heals the target's party, rather than being limited to just your direct party. |
| 16:16.10 | Kraps | ah yes |
| 16:16.36 | nevcairiel | A good priest was on-par with druids and shamans in 3.0, imho. Now there is no way any other class can win in a AoE situation |
| 16:16.59 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: leveling isnt -hard-, just long |
| 16:17.16 | WobWork | Kraps: agreed =\ |
| 16:17.29 | WobWork | especially if you have noone to level with |
| 16:17.43 | WobWork | and you've done it so many many times before =\ |
| 16:17.57 | nevcairiel | The first and the second time in northrend was fun |
| 16:18.02 | nevcairiel | heck even the third time was |
| 16:18.11 | nevcairiel | but for the fourth time on my warrior, i just can't do it :P |
| 16:18.30 | Kraps | nevcairiel: prot? |
| 16:18.34 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 16:18.38 | WobWork | ... |
| 16:18.57 | WobWork | according to armorylite's "armory score", I'm number 41 in my server for DKs |
| 16:18.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm working my 5th character through northrend now. it's.. a little slow. all the quests are so boring >.> |
| 16:19.02 | WobWork | wth is this 'armory score'? |
| 16:19.08 | Kraps | yur doing it wrong then :p prot is the way to go |
| 16:19.18 | nevcairiel | Its not that it doesnt work |
| 16:19.23 | nevcairiel | its just so extremly boring |
| 16:19.41 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 16:19.48 | AckisWork | http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_7961000/7961224.stm |
| 16:19.51 | nevcairiel | I leveled my druid twice (beta and live), both was extremly fun |
| 16:20.00 | nevcairiel | my DK was fun too, mostly because the DK was new i guess |
| 16:20.05 | WobWork | it's gotten to the point where I'm levelling my toons completely offspec, just to have something different |
| 16:20.35 | WobWork | also why I could never play in the beta |
| 16:20.44 | WobWork | cause having to level the same toon twice would drive me insane |
| 16:20.49 | Kraps | level as heal spec :p |
| 16:21.00 | nevcairiel | I love my druid, i would even level him a third time =) |
| 16:21.01 | WobWork | Kraps: I'm not that masochistic =) |
| 16:21.05 | nevcairiel | or her, rather =P |
| 16:21.07 | Kraps | rofl |
| 16:21.26 | WobWork | I'd probably level my druid boomkin again |
| 16:21.37 | WobWork | I need a horde druid =( |
| 16:21.46 | WobWork | hm, maybe I'll transfer my orc warlock across |
| 16:21.49 | nevcairiel | I'm more into feral for leveling |
| 16:22.00 | Kraps | i think a druid will be my forth 80 (if that happens before the end of time) |
| 16:22.04 | WobWork | I could never get into ragebased tanking |
| 16:22.28 | nevcairiel | You are more on energy when oyu level =) |
| 16:22.29 | WobWork | the whole "Not enough rage!" gave me fits =P |
| 16:22.48 | Kraps | WobWork: rofl |
| 16:22.50 | WobWork | true, but druidcats don't have vanish =( |
| 16:23.04 | nevcairiel | be cool, play nelf |
| 16:23.06 | nevcairiel | then you do |
| 16:23.11 | WobWork | which levelling a rogue got me used to |
| 16:23.16 | Kraps | never had "Not enough mana"? |
| 16:23.26 | WobWork | Kraps: yeah, but never at the start of a fight =) |
| 16:23.45 | WobWork | and can I say, dear god, AotV + drinking = bliss |
| 16:24.04 | WobWork | watching your mana bar chunk up to full is fantastic |
| 16:24.17 | nevcairiel | I think pallys have it the best there, you can burst out alot of mana into TPS, then throw a potion and get into your usual tanking cycle |
| 16:24.34 | WobWork | I never managed a pally past 20 |
| 16:25.09 | WobWork | pally and warrior are the only two classes I haven't actually played well |
| 16:25.33 | nevcairiel | My hunter died somewhere mid 20, same for my rogue |
| 16:25.56 | nevcairiel | The only class i never even tried is a mage |
| 16:26.15 | Lunessa | Cairenn: <3 WoWUI and 'donation overlay' feature. (catching up on things, been out for a few days. |
| 16:26.16 | nevcairiel | oh and a shaman |
| 16:26.47 | WobWork | mage was fun |
| 16:26.57 | WobWork | although mine's only at ... 60 |
| 16:26.59 | WobWork | I think |
| 16:27.13 | nevcairiel | i have my warlock stuck on 70 too, maybe leveling him some day.. |
| 16:27.32 | WobWork | oh 69 |
| 16:27.56 | WobWork | my shammy is at 45. as is my warlorc |
| 16:28.18 | WobWork | one hunter at 70, one druid at 70, one rogue at 70 |
| 16:28.22 | WobWork | priestess at 70 |
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| 16:28.25 | WobWork | =\ |
| 16:28.29 | WobWork | DK at 80 |
| 16:29.14 | WobWork | oh did you see those pompom druids? |
| 16:30.39 | nevcairiel | pompom druids? |
| 16:31.04 | Arrowmaster | i need something that pops up and says 'hey dumbass your dvd drive tray has been open for a day' but ofcourse sooner than that so i dont leave it open that long |
| 16:31.07 | WobWork | http://pompomsville.weebly.com/wow-druid-warsong.html |
| 16:31.09 | Thunder_Child | awww...like we dont have enough problems just trying to work together when we can speak the same language "As previously announced, we are working on implementing Cross-Language Battlegroups" |
| 16:31.17 | Lunessa | I've leveled most everything to 40+ expect a paladin which I've never made to 32 on. :( |
| 16:31.31 | WobWork | the tauren druid is ADORABLE |
| 16:31.41 | WobWork | http://pompomsville.weebly.com/uploads/7/6/8/8/768807/9372321_orig.jpg |
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| 16:32.46 | nevcairiel | haha so awesome |
| 16:34.07 | Lunessa | boomchicken. I think I need one to sit on my monitor. |
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| 16:34.28 | Kraps | speaking of raid heals, some guildys and i tried OS 10 with only 2 pally healers |
| 16:34.40 | Arrowmaster | i have an undead warlock but hes a too big to sit on my monitor |
| 16:34.42 | Kraps | epic fail, thats was |
| 16:34.48 | Arrowmaster | although my warlock is actually an orc |
| 16:34.52 | nevcairiel | 2 pallys probably have some serious issues |
| 16:34.57 | nevcairiel | we did it with one pally and one druid |
| 16:35.00 | nevcairiel | that was fine |
| 16:35.23 | Wraithan | We do it with 1 pally 1 shaman |
| 16:35.41 | Kraps | is wiping twice on the first mob pack serious enough for you? :D |
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| 16:35.52 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 16:35.56 | Kraps | we stopped then |
| 16:35.59 | nevcairiel | thats epic fail |
| 16:36.06 | nevcairiel | one pally can heal that |
| 16:36.07 | Lunessa | Kraps: pally healing is srs bsns. |
| 16:36.09 | WobWork | I had one of those runs =( |
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| 16:36.15 | WobWork | OTing |
| 16:36.23 | WobWork | just about everyone died on the first pull |
| 16:36.31 | WobWork | I was about to quit the pug at that point =P |
| 16:36.32 | kamdis | o.O |
| 16:36.37 | kamdis | oh |
| 16:36.39 | kamdis | PUG |
| 16:36.39 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 16:36.43 | kamdis | Hi rayne |
| 16:36.51 | AbsolutRayne | Kamdis <3 |
| 16:36.58 | WobWork | yeah. guild runs aren't that bad =) |
| 16:37.02 | nevcairiel | Its rather sad that we didn't have naxx10 undying yet but we have naxx25 immortal .. well ok some of that can be blamed on our issues in getting enough people for 10 mans =P |
| 16:37.20 | WobWork | nevcairiel: usually it's the other way around =P |
| 16:37.25 | Kraps | 25 is easier imo |
| 16:37.34 | nevcairiel | people are just not interested in the 10 mans anymore |
| 16:37.42 | nevcairiel | I hope we get a good group this week |
| 16:37.48 | WobWork | Kraps: agreed |
| 16:37.54 | durcyn | i finally got normal spore loser last week, yay! |
| 16:38.07 | durcyn | nev is right :/ |
| 16:38.08 | AbsolutRayne | blah |
| 16:38.13 | AbsolutRayne | I wanna update Cherry Lite |
| 16:38.17 | nevcairiel | I'm missing undying and 8man naxx for the glory achievement |
| 16:38.26 | nevcairiel | But the drake is ugly anyway |
| 16:38.27 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 16:38.29 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:38.36 | AbsolutRayne | But theres so many bads about it atm :S |
| 16:38.53 | durcyn | i dunno, i think plagued looks better than black |
| 16:38.59 | WobWork | I managed to get 8 sarth |
| 16:39.20 | durcyn | but proto drakes in general are fugly, so |
| 16:39.40 | nevcairiel | Yeah i have the black one, but still riding my arena netherdrake |
| 16:39.46 | nevcairiel | since its fast too! |
| 16:39.59 | durcyn | especially in comparison to frostwyrms :( |
| 16:40.21 | nevcairiel | imho it sucks that pvplers get the wyrm exclusively |
| 16:41.29 | nevcairiel | give the raiders one too, and not some random drop from a boss (hate those, always roll sucky), but an achievement or quest or whateva! |
| 16:42.52 | durcyn | watch it be a 1% drop from syndragosa in icecrown citadel |
| 16:43.30 | Kraps | nevcairiel: raiders get one from achievements |
| 16:43.38 | nevcairiel | a frost wyrm? |
| 16:43.39 | durcyn | Kraps: not a frost wyrm |
| 16:43.39 | nevcairiel | where? |
| 16:44.53 | Kraps | ah |
| 16:46.55 | Kraps | sings "blame it on the ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-alcohol blame it on the ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah" |
| 16:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I have never had to try so hard to be evil |
| 16:47.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:47.36 | Kalroth | Staying alive, staaaaying ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-live |
| 16:47.42 | nevcairiel | still trying to space your people? |
| 16:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | IT ISN'T WORKING |
| 16:48.25 | Kraps | how do you not trigger bane? |
| 16:48.53 | nevcairiel | stop dpsing |
| 16:48.58 | nevcairiel | and tanking |
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| 16:49.12 | Kraps | when? |
| 16:49.46 | Kraps | i'm never doing up again anyway so... :p |
| 16:50.02 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: lern2rob imo ;) |
| 16:50.18 | Fisker- | recaptures cog|work |
| 16:50.47 | WobWork | Kraps: when he starts casting bane |
| 16:51.30 | kamdis | are you talking about the UP guy? |
| 16:52.27 | WobWork | yeh |
| 16:52.40 | kamdis | huh |
| 16:52.43 | cog|work | window 11 |
| 16:52.44 | WobWork | King Ymiron? |
| 16:53.05 | kamdis | I got that achievement by dpsing so fast he didn't have time to start casting bane before he had to run for a boat. |
| 16:53.17 | WobWork | yep, that's another way =) |
| 16:53.31 | NightHawkTheSane | (easier way, imo) |
| 16:53.34 | DWSR | definitely the way i do it |
| 16:53.36 | WobWork | s'true |
| 16:53.50 | DWSR | Just like Faerlina in Naxx. |
| 16:53.50 | nevcairiel | i think thats how we did it, btu we did talk about stopping to dps when he casted it before we tried |
| 16:54.01 | DWSR | The achievement is fucking the EZ way to fight the boss |
| 16:54.02 | WobWork | Momma Says |
| 16:54.08 | DWSR | yeah |
| 16:54.10 | WobWork | I like that method |
| 16:54.17 | WobWork | I get ridiculous dps tanking the adds |
| 16:54.32 | DWSR | lol I get rediculous DPS DPSing the adds in that room right before. |
| 16:54.38 | DWSR | We pulled the whole room on 25 man once. |
| 16:54.40 | WobWork | cause it's no effort =P Just aoe tank =) |
| 16:54.45 | DWSR | I just like 40k DPS or some stupid shit. |
| 16:54.49 | WobWork | don't have to worry about aggro |
| 16:55.16 | DWSR | SoC = aggro whore. |
| 16:55.21 | DWSR | But wow does it do DPS. |
| 16:55.41 | DWSR | With 6+ mobs, best AoE. |
| 16:55.56 | Kraps | soc? |
| 16:56.01 | WobWork | seed of corruption |
| 16:56.10 | WobWork | my hunter doesn't bother using volley unless there are at least 4 mobs |
| 16:56.36 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 16:56.40 | DWSR | I RoF on 2 or 3. |
| 16:56.42 | WobWork | get better single target dps with less |
| 16:56.43 | DWSR | And then SoC on 4+ |
| 16:56.57 | DWSR | since my FG has cleave. |
| 16:57.11 | DWSR | Worst part is that I outdps people in my PvP spec when doing heroics. |
| 16:57.35 | WobWork | That's bad? |
| 16:57.36 | DWSR | In fact, I was only like 100 DPS behind using my PvP gear. |
| 16:57.41 | DWSR | WobWork: Shows that they fail |
| 16:57.44 | durcyn | DWSR: most people doign heroics are drooling morons though |
| 16:57.45 | WobWork | yeah |
| 16:57.58 | WobWork | I've had some interesting instance runs with my hunter |
| 16:58.12 | Thunder_Child | fail "Here he floats beneath one section of the growing space structure." |
| 16:58.19 | WobWork | to the point where I can't tell if I'm doing alright, or everyone else is failing miserably |
| 16:58.35 | WobWork | what would be a good amount of dps for a level 70 hunter? |
| 16:58.49 | DWSR | more than everyone else. |
| 16:59.04 | WobWork | I've had times where I outdps DKs 3 levels more than me |
| 16:59.06 | DWSR | If you're pushing like 1k you're doing alright, assuming you're just in leveling gear |
| 16:59.10 | WobWork | but that could be due to failDK |
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| 16:59.11 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: I've easily done more damage than characters 3-4 levels above me on my hunter :\ |
| 16:59.14 | DWSR | failK |
| 16:59.38 | WobWork | I ran with a spriest who was 73 and had 1.3k dps or so |
| 16:59.39 | NightHawkTheSane | and once it was another hunter.. |
| 16:59.51 | WobWork | I go between 800-1k |
| 17:00.23 | WobWork | I'm so squishy =( |
| 17:00.27 | WobWork | I'm just used to plate now =P |
| 17:00.30 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - I saw that happen once. A crap geared level 78 hunter did 2.5k dps, and a fully decked out dps _warrior_ was only doing 1.5k |
| 17:00.45 | Kirov | We don't let that warrior dps any more |
| 17:00.50 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:00.50 | WobWork | Kirov: volleyspam? |
| 17:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: some people are just -bad- |
| 17:01.13 | Kirov | WobWork - couldn't say, wasn't watching. |
| 17:01.31 | Kirov | It was Naxx, so most likely |
| 17:01.37 | WobWork | that's what I like about recount. I can use it to see where the good players are doing stuff |
| 17:02.08 | WobWork | or laugh at the bad players =\ |
| 17:02.13 | Kirov | Yeah, it's one of the reasons I have a hard time getting rid of Recount, or even using Recount 2 |
| 17:02.29 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/90322629 |
| 17:02.34 | DWSR | is Recount 2 beta yet? |
| 17:02.49 | WobWork | there's a recount2? |
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| 17:03.19 | Kirov | Violition is probably a "better" damage meter (in terms of consistency), and Recap gives a lot of nice stats, but Recount has a lot more information. |
| 17:03.32 | WobWork | yeah |
| 17:03.37 | WobWork | I like it for the information |
| 17:03.48 | DWSR | Kirov: recap gives more stats than Recount does |
| 17:03.53 | Kirov | WobWork - Yeah, but as far as I know it hasn't been touched since 2.4, apart from making it work with 3.0 |
| 17:03.56 | DWSR | and I also find Recap to be more accurate in terms of my DPS |
| 17:04.04 | WobWork | Antiarc: Today? |
| 17:04.10 | Kirov | It's really bare bones (more than even Violation. |
| 17:04.49 | Kirov | DWSR - The only thing that matters with "DPS" is everyone is comparing with the same numbers. |
| 17:05.09 | WobWork | Antiarc: Happy Birthday Mr Arc! |
| 17:05.11 | Kirov | There's so many ways to calculate it. |
| 17:05.24 | DWSR | I suppose |
| 17:05.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov, DWSR: "dps" is a fictitious number, impacted by lag & latency :P |
| 17:05.55 | DWSR | and framerate |
| 17:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 17:06.38 | WobWork | night all |
| 17:06.43 | WobWork | I really gotta sleep >< |
| 17:07.08 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, if you round the numbers you get heavily, it's marginally useful :P |
| 17:07.11 | Kirov | Recap has a lot of stats, which I used to love, but I find Recount has information that Recap doesn't always. |
| 17:07.43 | WobWork | ... someone is playing "Hide And Seek" downstairs in the atrium |
| 17:07.49 | WobWork | at 4am |
| 17:07.49 | DWSR | WobWork: Naice |
| 17:07.56 | Dashkal | I do miss one stat from Recap (Using recount now). "What was my biggest hit this fight/raid?" |
| 17:07.56 | DWSR | Hey, it's a good tune |
| 17:08.07 | WobWork | DWSR: No. The game, hide and seek |
| 17:08.16 | AckisWork | @tomtom |
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| 17:08.37 | DWSR | oh |
| 17:08.56 | nevcairiel | WobWork: they must've seen adys garfield link |
| 17:09.02 | WobWork | likely |
| 17:09.13 | WobWork | it could actually be one very drunk woman who -thinks- she's playing hide and seek |
| 17:09.23 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:09.45 | nevcairiel | its friday night, who cares! |
| 17:12.57 | Anaral | Is there an automatic way to replace amp&% with the actual formatting in notepad++ |
| 17:13.42 | Kirov | Dashkal - Recount has that |
| 17:13.55 | Dashkal | Kirov: I've only found that per-skill |
| 17:14.00 | DWSR | @tomtom |
| 17:14.03 | Kirov | true |
| 17:14.06 | Xinhuan | load it into a browser, then copy the text ;p |
| 17:14.14 | jnwhiteh | why do people keep saying @tomtom? |
| 17:14.16 | Dashkal | Which means going through each damage source one by one. Not the end of the world, I just miss recap's single spot to look |
| 17:14.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Anaral: there's probably some tools that do auto-replace of specified strings as you type |
| 17:14.25 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: cuz i'm a dumbass |
| 17:14.37 | WobWork | http://www.sendspace.com/folder/1ql16d |
| 17:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: to ping you senselessly? :P |
| 17:14.43 | WobWork | if people haven't enough mashups |
| 17:14.55 | WobWork | there used to be about 4 times as many in that folder =( |
| 17:15.47 | Anaral | Xinhuan: I tried that, and it didn't work. ;) |
| 17:16.06 | Kirov | Sometimes I'm torn between writing my own raid statistics addon and waiting for Gello to write a new one. |
| 17:16.15 | Kirov | At the moment I'm waiting for Gello to do it. |
| 17:16.24 | Kirov | ... I've been waiting a while. ;) |
| 17:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | ... yeah, just a little. |
| 17:17.58 | Kirov | At the time he dropped Recap he talked about writing a new one, but I think most of what that addon would of accomplished has been filled by the various item stat addons, and damage simulation web sites / Rawr |
| 17:17.58 | Lunessa | Heh, the thing about Gello is, he'll do it when he's good and ready, or sufficiently annoyed by something else to do it. Until then, "piss off." |
| 17:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa! *pounce hugs* |
| 17:18.26 | Lunessa | Hi hi Lopeppeppy *huggles* |
| 17:18.44 | Lopeppeppy | I missed you last night. |
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| 17:20.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i thought he was always in "piss off" mode? :P |
| 17:20.55 | Lunessa | NHTS: No, that' s me now. |
| 17:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i think it applies to lots of people, actually. :) |
| 17:21.35 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I've been dealing with insomnia since Monday and I hadn't slept from Monday - last night. Be glad you missed me. |
| 17:22.36 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, sweetie, I'm sorry. I understand insomnia, all to bloody darn well. |
| 17:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* |
| 17:22.42 | Lunessa | *hugs* |
| 17:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | You got some unconscious last night? |
| 17:23.31 | Lunessa | I took a couple of days off work since I was a zombie. And all I did was play my lowbie RAF account for a bit on wed. But I slept almost 5 hours last night and I feel almost human again. |
| 17:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad you got a little sleep. |
| 17:24.47 | Duman | hides from peppy |
| 17:25.11 | Anaral | Okay, my google foo isn't finding anything useful. Is there a good place that references what all the text equates to it's symbol |
| 17:25.49 | *** join/#wowuidev bobiac (n=bobiac@124.13.54.48) |
| 17:25.56 | NightHawkTheSane | rephrase that in english, maybe? |
| 17:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | puts a tracer on Duman. |
| 17:27.23 | Duman | :-o |
| 17:27.56 | Sixen | Rawr! |
| 17:27.59 | Duman | I dunno if it's obvious in that pic, but the female gnome is totally blitzed |
| 17:28.04 | Lopeppeppy | Be glad its' a bug and not a bullet. |
| 17:28.16 | Lopeppeppy | What picture, Duman? What did I miss while I was out picking strawberries? |
| 17:28.16 | Sixen | Ah, Duman is good with Bugs. |
| 17:28.18 | Duman | has her head in her hands, and is drooling a bit ;) |
| 17:28.26 | Sixen | cwutididthar? |
| 17:28.28 | Duman | I jsut tagged you :) |
| 17:28.34 | Duman | lol sixen |
| 17:28.47 | Anaral | NightHawkTheSane: Sorry. |
| 17:28.48 | Sixen | :P |
| 17:29.13 | Lopeppeppy | gives up. Boys are just too weird. |
| 17:29.30 | Duman | peppy: on facebook :P |
| 17:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. I see thar. |
| 17:31.05 | Lunessa | Anaral: Google "URL Encoding" |
| 17:31.10 | Anaral | Um, okay you know how sometimes the html will have %2F instead of / or %3 for :. I want to change them back to the / :, etc. |
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| 17:32.38 | Anaral | Lunessa: Thank you, that was exactly what I need. :D |
| 17:32.51 | Arrowmaster | %## where ## is a 2 digit hex number |
| 17:33.30 | Lunessa | You're welcome. Took me a moment to figure out what you wanted from your desctiption. |
| 17:34.53 | Adys | is the new blizzard downloader/updater much slower than the old one? |
| 17:34.56 | Adys | or is it just wine? |
| 17:35.42 | Teomyr | it's just whine |
| 17:36.53 | Fisker- | well played |
| 17:37.26 | Lunessa | lays out a cheese platter. |
| 17:37.32 | AckisWork | tabs in and thought Arrowmaster was swearing. |
| 17:38.40 | Arrowmaster | no i hold shift and press random numbers not pressing the same one twice in a row when i want to censor my swearing, or i just dont know what swear to use |
| 17:39.14 | Fisker- | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | "frell on toast" works for me. |
| 17:41.17 | Dagmar | Adys: There's also the matter of the size of the patch meaning it'll take longer for the torrent to "warm up" |
| 17:41.26 | Adys | no, i meant the downloader itself |
| 17:41.29 | Adys | as in sluggy |
| 17:44.57 | Sixen | Peppy, does your toon default properly? |
| 17:45.12 | Duman | I ended up my L58 'lock this morning, so mine doesn't :) |
| 17:45.26 | Duman | (assuming you're talking about the forums, sixen) |
| 17:45.28 | Kraps | whats that huge summonable demon called? |
| 17:45.34 | DWSR | which one? |
| 17:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen, oh hell no. |
| 17:45.44 | DWSR | Kraps: Describe it? |
| 17:45.50 | DWSR | Does it carry an arcanite reaper? |
| 17:45.51 | Dagmar | Kraps: I call mine "Funboy" |
| 17:45.52 | Lopeppeppy | Still trying to post as He Who Must Not Be Named. |
| 17:45.58 | Kraps | ... |
| 17:45.59 | Sixen | Oddly, mine worked fine. |
| 17:46.00 | Duman | heh |
| 17:46.06 | Sixen | Voldemort?! |
| 17:46.16 | durcyn | oh, bother, you went and named him. |
| 17:46.17 | Sixen | Git 'em 'arry! |
| 17:46.19 | Dagmar | You're talking about the one that eventually turns on the warlock and everyone nearby, right? |
| 17:46.33 | Lopeppeppy | Fel Reaver! |
| 17:46.36 | Duman | haha |
| 17:46.37 | Kraps | the warlock demon that needs like 5 people to summon |
| 17:47.15 | DWSR | doomguard |
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| 17:47.24 | DWSR | It's badass in DPS too |
| 17:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes. |
| 17:47.49 | Dagmar | It's the sort of thing I always expected to see in other games among classes that could summon their idea of demons |
| 17:47.52 | kamdis | Yeah, it is. Our 'lock came out of nowhere on the DPS meters when they started using their Doomguards. |
| 17:48.02 | kamdis | *'locks |
| 17:48.42 | Dagmar | ...and there's like, only a very small margin of stories about demonologists where it wasn't just assumed that the demon summoner was eventually going to get eaten by what they summon |
| 17:50.08 | durcyn | doomguard's taking it in the face in 3.1 :( |
| 17:51.54 | DWSR | It's worth 800 DPS unbuffed to an aff or destro lock |
| 17:52.11 | DWSR | It's freakin' badass |
| 17:52.18 | DWSR | sucks to see it nerfed in the next patch |
| 17:53.02 | Dagmar | Depends on how much they're nerfing it by |
| 17:53.14 | Lopeppeppy | And in what exact way they're "nerfing" it. |
| 17:53.21 | DWSR | All dmg by 30% |
| 17:53.43 | Dagmar | The real question is can it still kill the warlock |
| 17:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | And that's the only change to warlocks, just this demon nerf? |
| 17:54.12 | Lunessa | I have never once used it on my 'lock, despite doing the quest to get it pre-BC. Why? No one wanted to risk being demon-chow during the summoning. |
| 17:54.47 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: No, there's plenty more QoL fixes. |
| 17:54.50 | DWSR | But nothing that really helps too much |
| 17:55.03 | durcyn | no, the ritual no longer instagibs, just does a bnuch of damage, and the demon just disappears at the end of the timer |
| 17:55.04 | DWSR | Except for they're giving more survivability to the Demo tree |
| 17:55.05 | Kraps | it doesnt kill anymore |
| 17:55.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, there's the exception. |
| 17:55.13 | Kraps | when summoned |
| 17:55.17 | DWSR | The instagib was the best. |
| 17:55.19 | durcyn | though i did manage to kill someone who clicked my ritual stone right after being ressed last week =) |
| 17:55.33 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Locks are one of the most broken classes in the game right now. |
| 17:55.49 | DWSR | All of our trees need cleaning |
| 17:55.55 | DWSR | except maybe affliction |
| 17:56.05 | DWSR | Destro is such a joke and deep Demo's pretty fail too |
| 17:56.05 | durcyn | affliction's just top-heavy now |
| 17:56.14 | durcyn | though admittedly less so in 3.1 |
| 17:56.18 | Lunessa | Kraps: I know. But once the habit became a habit, and then my lock just soloed to 70. well, you know... never got to use it. I've been carrying the /one/ reagent in inventory since 2006. |
| 17:56.36 | durcyn | still, when the only way blizzard can see to fix a class is to add five more "increases your spellpower by X" talents, something is wrong with our scaling |
| 17:57.19 | Kraps | why is there no FP on the airships in icecrown? :( |
| 17:57.27 | DWSR | Kraps: Always wondered that too |
| 17:57.31 | DWSR | durcyn: lol yeah |
| 17:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, every class says that. I say that about paladins, esp. my tree. *gentle shrug* |
| 17:58.00 | DWSR | Except that I can quite honestly say that no classes *feels* as broken in playstyle to me as locks do |
| 17:58.58 | Kraps | because you are one :p |
| 17:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | And I can say the exact same thing about my class. It's a "grain of salt" kinda statemetn. |
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| 17:59.56 | DWSR | I mean, DT could break stuns to help fix us in PvP. Nope. |
| 17:59.59 | Kraps | BLIZZ HATES <INSERT YOUR CLASS HERE>! |
| 18:00.10 | DWSR | Kraps: Blizz loves paladins and DKs. |
| 18:00.16 | DWSR | And anyone who says otherwise is an asshole. |
| 18:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, Blizz hates paladins. That makes me an asshole. |
| 18:00.41 | Dagmar | Well, who doesn't hate paladins? |
| 18:00.44 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: But at least you're not so much of an asshole as to report me for saying asshole. |
| 18:00.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: Paladins don't hate paladins |
| 18:00.58 | DWSR | Unless you're Lopepeppy apparently. |
| 18:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Don't tempt me, DWSR. Your foul language has pushed my buttons numerous times. |
| 18:01.28 | DWSR | I still don't understand why people are so touchy on Freenode. |
| 18:01.30 | Lunessa | Kraps: Probably because those items move about and thus don't make for good anchors to a flight path. |
| 18:01.38 | DWSR | Install a filter or don't complain |
| 18:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | See |
| 18:01.46 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Trick about that |
| 18:01.48 | Lopeppeppy | That's hilarious. |
| 18:01.52 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't make the rules |
| 18:02.03 | DWSR | I'm not pretending to |
| 18:02.08 | Dagmar | DWSR: You could also install a filter. |
| 18:02.12 | DWSR | I did. |
| 18:02.15 | DWSR | It's on my screen. |
| 18:02.19 | Dagmar | For your *outgoing* messages |
| 18:02.29 | Kraps | Lunessa: technical reasons not to do something suck :( |
| 18:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I feel inclined to let you know, that is not how the rules for this channel are defined |
| 18:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't make them either, mind you |
| 18:03.00 | DWSR | Why are swear words so bad in the first place? |
| 18:03.09 | DWSR | Like, it's 4 letters. |
| 18:03.20 | durcyn | in this instance, DWSR? probably because you directed them at someone. |
| 18:03.20 | DWSR | That don't neccessarily mean anything bad |
| 18:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes. So is "gtfo" |
| 18:03.26 | Dagmar | Because they make people whine about not being able to use them in church |
| 18:03.29 | Lunessa | Kraps: Well, I can't fly or defy gravity yet due to technical reasons too. So - life sucks, lack of technology sucks, and then you die - which also sucks. |
| 18:03.49 | Kraps | rofl |
| 18:04.51 | DWSR | Anyone in here run KDE? |
| 18:04.55 | DWSR | KDE4, to be precise |
| 18:06.49 | Dagmar | Once, when I was really drunk. |
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| 18:07.03 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:07.29 | Dagmar | I am *so* not a guy to even be askin' if I use KDE. Did it break on you? |
| 18:07.44 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 18:07.48 | DWSR | Just having some eodd behaviour |
| 18:08.00 | DWSR | Like widgets resetting to random places. |
| 18:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | "Top #1: Set some rules. Don't worry if a rule makes sense -- the important thing is that it's a rule. Arbitrary rules teach kids discipline: If every rule made sense, they wouldn't be learning respect for authority, they'd be learning logic. |
| 18:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | So go crazy with the rules-- the time your child spend strying to figure them out is the time he won't be stapling firecrackers to the neighbor's dog." |
| 18:11.22 | Dewin | I hate illogical rules. >.> |
| 18:11.54 | Dashkal | That never worked with me. The rule didn't have to be fair, but it had to make sense or I'd just ingore it |
| 18:12.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *Tip |
| 18:12.47 | Dashkal | I didn't like that bedtime was 7 just because mom's favorite show was on, but it at least had a reason behind it. |
| 18:15.28 | Lopeppeppy | It's true that you can't always have things open for debate with children. Some rules are honestly because it's what the adult decided. I mean, you want them to learn to question and think and dialog... but not about *everything* ! :) |
| 18:15.58 | Kraps | "where do babies come from?" |
| 18:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The guy who wrote that, right next to it in the margins |
| 18:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "Once again, Mr. and Mrs. McAllister, I am very sorry." |
| 18:16.25 | Fisker- | Sheath of Light: Critical heals from Lay on Hands will now trigger this talent. |
| 18:16.27 | Fisker- | hurrr |
| 18:16.30 | Arrowmaster | whats a bedtime |
| 18:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sheath of Light? |
| 18:16.48 | Fisker- | It's a hot you gain if your heals crit |
| 18:16.52 | Fisker- | or a hot the target gains |
| 18:17.01 | Fisker- | Based on the amount healed |
| 18:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | poofs for a bit |
| 18:17.22 | Fisker- | 60% over 12 seconds |
| 18:17.38 | Lopeppeppy | Must research that one some more... |
| 18:17.45 | Fisker- | so like a 20k hot if it crits :D |
| 18:17.50 | Fisker- | over 12 seconds |
| 18:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Tier 9 Ret, I'll never see that one. Oops. |
| 18:18.25 | Fisker- | Does the arena cooldown lockouts take base cooldown or improved cooldown? |
| 18:18.46 | DWSR | base |
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| 18:19.21 | Fisker- | damn |
| 18:19.31 | Fisker- | probably wouldn't work with 15 minute LoH anyways |
| 18:19.40 | Fisker- | as it has to be 14 minutes and 59 seconds i believe |
| 18:19.56 | Gnarfoz | it would have to, yes |
| 18:20.07 | Gnarfoz | and that's why it's always based on untalented cd ;p |
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| 18:22.26 | Fisker- | still be fun to completely heal someone and put on a 20k over 12 seconds hot :D |
| 18:22.33 | Fisker- | probably even a lot more in pvp gear |
| 18:22.57 | Fisker- | or actually i'm thinking fully raid buffed :P |
| 18:23.00 | Fisker- | so not so much |
| 18:25.38 | NightHawkTheSane | thats still a stupid-huge hot |
| 18:26.08 | Lopeppeppy | ... and it's in the ret tree, where holydins just drool and wish they could be that good. |
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| 18:27.15 | NightHawkTheSane | its like one of two talents in the tree that actually improves healing ability, though. |
| 18:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | and makes it so ret isn't a complete failure as an off healer |
| 18:27.45 | Dagmar | I'm thinking it's going to start being referred to as an "anti-squish-the-tank-heal" soon enough |
| 18:28.03 | Dagmar | There's some ugly things in Ulduar |
| 18:28.18 | Fisker- | Well pre-wotlk in the beta the talent was high enough and the end-tier holy talents were shit |
| 18:28.27 | Fisker- | So holy palas actually went there to get it |
| 18:28.32 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: on a 20min cd? not really :\ |
| 18:28.33 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that was in beta, though |
| 18:28.44 | Fisker- | So they put it further down, and still didn't give a shit about the holy talents :P |
| 18:28.51 | DWSR | NightHawkTheSane: Ret should fail as offheals, tbh. |
| 18:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I don't say it's not an awesome ret talent to have. One heal from a ret can save the day. I'm glad they have it. But as Fisker says.... |
| 18:28.57 | DWSR | The fact that they don't makes it way too OP in PvP |
| 18:29.21 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i dont really have a big problem with holy. i've enjoyed it. |
| 18:29.24 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: meh, fuck pvp. |
| 18:30.13 | Lopeppeppy | I love holy, NHTS. But I see some serious issues that started back in TBC that aren't cleared up as yet. |
| 18:30.20 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: pvp is great |
| 18:30.50 | DWSR | It's fun to change it up between raiding and PvP, for sure |
| 18:30.56 | DWSR | I can't say I enjoy strictly one or the other |
| 18:30.58 | Kraps | and dieing is normal |
| 18:31.07 | Kraps | not a bug |
| 18:31.24 | Lopeppeppy | Dying in pvp is totally WAI. :) |
| 18:31.42 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:31.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: *shrug* i've yet to see any issues with the holy pallies i've seen in raids, and the only issues i've had personally playing holy were that i don't do it often, and my holy gear sucks. :P |
| 18:32.34 | Kraps | how many blues does it take to change a lightbulb? none, the lightbulb is WAI |
| 18:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | It's mostly gear issues, and the one-spell pony. I'm no longer finding it fun to have one heal and maybe 4 cooldowns. |
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| 18:33.15 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* I rather like the limited spell selection. |
| 18:33.24 | NightHawkTheSane | But that's obviously personal opinion |
| 18:33.32 | Dagmar | It could be worse |
| 18:33.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: what, you could be a priest and have a dozen spells but only use 2? |
| 18:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | It has good things and bad things. Beacon is tricky. I really don't like that it can be wasted, with no notice whatsoever. Not even overhealing to show that it was out and being used. |
| 18:34.06 | Dagmar | My GF whines like she's being asked to do heavy manual labor if he hits an ice-resistant mob with her ice-specced mage |
| 18:34.24 | Dagmar | "But my fire spells cast slower!" |
| 18:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: yeah, ill agree there's some nitpicky implementation quirks. I do like the design, though |
| 18:35.11 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.20 | AckisWork | ie: lost receipt, so I make up a new one? |
| 18:35.34 | DWSR | wyes |
| 18:35.39 | Dagmar | AckisWork: Yes, but it's likely no one will give a damn |
| 18:35.59 | AckisWork | I think I shredded my video card receipt last month =/ and the fucking thing was still under warranty |
| 18:36.02 | Dagmar | ...and technically I think it's forgery in that casxe |
| 18:36.04 | Lopeppeppy | I still want to see how it sits at level 80 raid healing... and I'll keep leveling my priest. My new server has exactly the same hangup as the old server... "Paladins can't heal 5 mans, we don't want you." |
| 18:36.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, did you buy with a credit card? |
| 18:36.25 | ronghail | you would lack the requisite intent for the crime of fraud. could be guilty of something else |
| 18:36.34 | DWSR | are you kidding? |
| 18:36.36 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Those people are too high for you to group with |
| 18:36.38 | DWSR | I heart paladins healing my heroics |
| 18:36.45 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: yes |
| 18:36.49 | DWSR | Beacon of light = unlimited life tap |
| 18:36.59 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: My guild leader's an effing paladin, and he's made me monkey-tank every non-heroic 5-man in Northrend |
| 18:37.06 | Dagmar | Paladins can damn well heal 5-mans |
| 18:37.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:37.36 | NightHawkTheSane | about the only thing a paladin can't do well enough, is large-scale raid healing. |
| 18:37.41 | NightHawkTheSane | which, frankly, is a non-issue |
| 18:37.56 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar, I know that. And my guild leader probably knows it. But trying to pug instances as I level = frustrating. |
| 18:38.17 | Dagmar | ronghail: That's why I said technically it was forgery. You'd be really hard-pressed to get a fraud charge to stick for something like that |
| 18:39.02 | DWSR | They also can't heal Malygos |
| 18:39.11 | DWSR | No IC heals. |
| 18:39.11 | ronghail | yeah I missed the forgery comment sorry |
| 18:39.16 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Tell them "Tell you what, I'll out-DPS your tank and heal myself and you guys can just stand around feeling stupid." |
| 18:39.22 | cog|work | how on earth did an apple's PLU sticker end up inside my sock O>o |
| 18:39.26 | cog|work | O.o* |
| 18:39.35 | Dagmar | cog|work: You bought iSocks? |
| 18:39.35 | DWSR | o.o |
| 18:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | thinks of all the other i-items and smirks. |
| 18:39.55 | Kraps | the tank says we cant 2 man this, the tank knows what hes talking about |
| 18:39.57 | DWSR | iWin! |
| 18:39.57 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 18:40.04 | Kraps | <---the tank |
| 18:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: i have a few thoughts. none of them suitable for polite company. |
| 18:40.21 | DWSR | NightHawkTheSane: This is the internet, not polite company. |
| 18:40.25 | DWSR | Hence, you should share. |
| 18:40.26 | DWSR | I need a laugh |
| 18:40.59 | Lopeppeppy | I think I need to talk to Mrs. Cog. *giggle* |
| 18:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, i just wonder what cog|work was doing with the socks that had apple products stuck inside them >.> |
| 18:41.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh, esp the i products I was smirking about.... |
| 18:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, i love apple products as much as the next guy.. but.. |
| 18:41.23 | DWSR | AHAHA |
| 18:41.25 | cog|work | you know, "apple" had a meaning of its own long before the computer industry... |
| 18:41.41 | cog|work | This sticker has the word "fuji" on it if that makes it any clearer ;) |
| 18:41.43 | cog|work | nerds |
| 18:41.44 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:41.48 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:41.50 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 18:42.04 | Dagmar | Of, you've been buying produce then |
| 18:42.09 | Lopeppeppy | I thought those were fiji apples. |
| 18:42.12 | Dagmar | s/Of/Oh/; |
| 18:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | so, to reiterate.. I like fruit as much as the next guy.. but geeze cog|work :P |
| 18:42.32 | Gnarfoz | "an apple's PLU sticker" was really obvious |
| 18:42.57 | krka | apple is obviously the record company |
| 18:43.15 | Fisker- | hey Gnarfoz |
| 18:43.17 | Fisker- | "butts" |
| 18:43.18 | Fisker- | hurr hurr |
| 18:43.36 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: take that out of your mouth when talking to me pls |
| 18:43.40 | Dagmar | No, there's actually "Fuji" apples. They're a cousin to "red delicious" and something else I forget |
| 18:43.59 | Dagmar | it r not fugees |
| 18:44.59 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: you're making something that could be an alternative to PallyPower? :> |
| 18:45.13 | Shadowed | it is an alternative to PallyPower |
| 18:45.22 | durcyn | alternative? it's basically impossible for anything to be worse than pallypower |
| 18:45.27 | durcyn | replacement. |
| 18:45.31 | Shadowed | well that too |
| 18:45.46 | Shadowed | making comm code to sync with it was a bit annoying, it's an evil system |
| 18:46.25 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, http://thisisindexed.com/2009/03/and-only-58-cents/ |
| 18:46.45 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: this is probably from a code PoV? |
| 18:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'll try it out for you, shadowed, if you let me know when it's done. I use PallyPower as a standard, but I'm always open to new things. |
| 18:47.15 | Shadowed | It's done Lopeppeppy :p |
| 18:47.29 | Gnarfoz | because people have been saying "pallypower? you should be using zomgbuffs" for a while now, but I still don't see what PallyPower lacks in working features... we use it perfectly fine ;O |
| 18:47.37 | Shadowed | I've been using it for about a month so far and not had much issue |
| 18:47.50 | Lopeppeppy | You linkies then, silly Shadowed? |
| 18:47.52 | Shadowed | most of the changes right now are just adding some features in |
| 18:48.05 | Shadowed | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12734-PaladinBuffer.html |
| 18:48.38 | Tekkub | pfft, Cork |
| 18:48.52 | Tekkub | I love how people overcomplicate blessings |
| 18:49.00 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: in fight buffing. |
| 18:49.11 | Shadowed | you can't buff in combat regardless |
| 18:49.14 | Gnarfoz | which apparently, Shadowed's thing can't do, even though PallyPower does it |
| 18:49.15 | Tekkub | I've met one pally that got it right... "let me know which blessing you want, I *might* give it to you" |
| 18:49.27 | Shadowed | eh? PP doesn't do in combat buffing either as far as I know |
| 18:49.30 | Gnarfoz | obviously not via the "auto" button because that's impossible |
| 18:49.33 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: of course it does |
| 18:49.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: it can, kinda |
| 18:49.41 | Shadowed | you can sort of kind of do it |
| 18:49.47 | Shadowed | by the pop out frames using secure stuff |
| 18:49.48 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Haha. That's how I handle raid totems. |
| 18:49.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you have to hit a unit, not one of the auto-class or auto-everythin buttons |
| 18:50.04 | Shadowed | or by making assumptions like, "Well, entering combat we will set X to be the one we buff" |
| 18:50.07 | Gnarfoz | auto-class still work, if the person it last selected is in range |
| 18:50.10 | Shadowed | which is doable, I just don't like it |
| 18:50.12 | Lunessa | I'm all "Don't tell me what to drop. I know the drill and I'll use what I know is right." |
| 18:50.16 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: it's what PP does |
| 18:50.21 | Shadowed | which is doable, I just don't like it |
| 18:50.36 | Gnarfoz | since PP's fly-out frames are currently non-working on live, it's kind-of broken |
| 18:50.45 | Tekkub | Lunessa, yup, grant this same pally kept telling me I need to heal myself and shit |
| 18:50.47 | Gnarfoz | but before 3.0.8 and after 3.1, it'll work again |
| 18:50.51 | Tekkub | in fact he just never shut up |
| 18:50.54 | Shadowed | I might add it once I do stuff in 3.1 but |
| 18:50.57 | Gnarfoz | anyway, it's obviously a design choice ;) |
| 18:50.59 | Tekkub | but at least he got blessigns right :P |
| 18:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: they work.. they just seem to error on something *shrug* |
| 18:51.02 | Shadowed | I still think it's an ugly solution |
| 18:51.07 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: errors from PP? o_O |
| 18:51.21 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I have a solution for guys like that; /ignore |
| 18:51.28 | Tekkub | screw the three different druids wanting different blessings, just give them all wisdom |
| 18:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: Yeah. something about the pop-out unit frames not animating properly or something. maybe i need to update :P |
| 18:51.39 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: not being able to re-buff people who died etc isn't really a fine looking one either, to me at least :D |
| 18:51.46 | Tekkub | raid leader, vent, one of those "you must be on vent" pugs |
| 18:51.48 | Tekkub | I couldn't |
| 18:51.50 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: yes, you're out of date ;D |
| 18:51.53 | Shadowed | if they died in combat |
| 18:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub -- in my raid group, I made the class officers decide, and anyone who had an issue went to their officer, who told them "no" more politely than I would have. |
| 18:51.55 | Shadowed | they probably suck |
| 18:51.57 | Tekkub | though I did take my headphones off during trash |
| 18:52.05 | Lunessa | Anyone here a fan of the show "Rescue Me"? The theme song is stuck in my head. |
| 18:52.07 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: I was awaiting that reply, obviously |
| 18:52.07 | Shadowed | and don't deserve the blessings until you leave combat |
| 18:52.12 | Shadowed | :Pp |
| 18:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | Before then, they expected one paladin to keep up with the blessings of all 3 druids with different blessings, etc... and that was D-U-M |
| 18:52.28 | Tekkub | yea, you don't blow mana buffing the combat res |
| 18:52.36 | Gnarfoz | "blow mana" lol |
| 18:52.45 | Lopeppeppy | Unless it's a tank who has to get right back in there. |
| 18:52.46 | Tekkub | at that point mana's probably scarce as is |
| 18:52.55 | Gnarfoz | mana's not scarce for any paladin spec right now |
| 18:53.07 | Gnarfoz | and hasn't been in the entire 2.x series |
| 18:53.12 | Tekkub | I wasn't talking just pallies |
| 18:53.16 | Tekkub | :P |
| 18:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz, I'm still finding it scarce leveling, but I've leveled out of my gemmed gear, so perhaps I'll pick up a bit once I get to heroic gear. |
| 18:53.54 | Tekkub | my pally never runs out of mana, but he also only ever uses seal/judge wisdom |
| 18:53.58 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: leveling I didn't take into account, really |
| 18:54.04 | Tekkub | leveling also :P |
| 18:54.14 | DWSR | The intro to Quantum of Solace is awesome. |
| 18:54.26 | Tekkub | Quantum Salsa |
| 18:54.27 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: that's about the only thing awesome about it |
| 18:54.39 | Gnarfoz | not saying priests should hand out group fort buffs for one player that died, obviously. :p |
| 18:54.44 | DWSR | Yeah, I'd have to say that it's like the best part of the movie. |
| 18:55.00 | DWSR | And does anyone notice the fact that Daniel Craig likes his guns small? :P |
| 18:55.15 | Gnarfoz | do you think he's trying to compensate for something? |
| 18:55.46 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: seal o' wisdom? holy or what now :O |
| 18:55.56 | Tekkub | leveling, ret |
| 18:56.01 | Gnarfoz | erm |
| 18:56.08 | AckisWork | ok I RMAed my video card... should be ok in a little while :P |
| 18:56.13 | AckisWork | anyone here deal with evga? |
| 18:56.15 | Gnarfoz | "you're doing it wrong" :D |
| 18:56.22 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I dunno. :P |
| 18:56.24 | DWSR | AckisWork: Yes. |
| 18:56.32 | DWSR | Got an eVGA 7800gtx in my rig right now. |
| 18:56.35 | AckisWork | DWSR: will they fix the card or just give me a new one? |
| 18:56.36 | Tekkub | fuck you, I'm happy with 700DPS while leveling? |
| 18:56.38 | Gnarfoz | except of course you're trying to make your leveling experience an excercise in patience :D |
| 18:56.39 | AckisWork | 8800 ultra |
| 18:56.41 | DWSR | Oh, that I dunno. |
| 18:56.52 | DWSR | I thought you meant with the hardware. |
| 18:56.56 | Tekkub | especially since the pally/druid I usually level with can only pull 200-300 |
| 18:56.56 | DWSR | Not with the company itself. |
| 18:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | I'm holy. I judge light, leave the room, come back. I often read while leveling. |
| 18:57.09 | Tekkub | and my 72 huntard pulls 600 >< |
| 18:57.10 | AckisWork | ahh ok |
| 18:57.55 | Lunessa | AckisWork: I also have an eVGA product. My third. I'm satisfied with their products. |
| 18:58.02 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 18:58.07 | Dagmar | They make good enough cards |
| 18:58.17 | Lunessa | And the price is good. |
| 18:58.55 | DWSR | I hear that BFGTech is better. |
| 18:58.56 | DWSR | But meh. |
| 18:58.59 | AckisWork | Lunessa: I've heard they treat they're customers well |
| 18:59.25 | Lunessa | I haven't ever had to call for tech support. |
| 18:59.26 | Dagmar | DWSR: For the most part, all the nVidia cards are the same barring minor memory speed changes |
| 18:59.38 | durcyn | DWSR: the dead bfg gtx280 i have at home disagrees. |
| 18:59.53 | Dagmar | Like, you won't find one 8800 card outperforming another by more than 1-2% without one of them having a drastically different type of RAM on it |
| 19:00.25 | Lunessa | The only real complaint I have with most cards is that the cooling fans/heatsinks are not serviceable. if one goes bad, I have to replace the card pretty much. |
| 19:00.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: Aye, but from what I have heard BFGTech OCs their cards from factory. |
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| 19:01.03 | Dagmar | DWSR: which means they'll die sooner. |
| 19:01.16 | DWSR | You'll replace them before they die, I'm quite sure. |
| 19:01.22 | Dagmar | You can buy someone else's cards and OC them, too. |
| 19:01.34 | Dagmar | You won't get the OCing for free. |
| 19:01.38 | DWSR | indeed |
| 19:01.51 | Dagmar | As to them not dying before being replaced... sctoll up a bit |
| 19:01.52 | DWSR | It's all about what you want to pay for |
| 19:02.01 | Dagmar | "<durcyn> DWSR: the dead bfg gtx280 i have at home disagrees." |
| 19:02.09 | Lunessa | I replace a video card more frequently than any other component. Mostly for upgrade purposes. |
| 19:02.19 | durcyn | hey now, don't quote me for your nefarious purposes |
| 19:02.48 | DWSR | Aye, but hardware can die for any number of reasons. With today's ICs being so small, sometimes early death is just a manufacturing defect. |
| 19:02.49 | Dagmar | I shuffle a lot of parts around, and I really should be keeping some recipts for freakin tax credit at this point |
| 19:03.17 | Dagmar | DWSR: Be that as it may, "overclocking" dramatically reduces the lifespan of components |
| 19:03.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 19:03.41 | DWSR | The extent dependent on how much you OC. |
| 19:04.20 | Dagmar | ...and considering it results in a net-loss, it's just not a good idea. You might be able to overclock a card by 10% but it's going to die in 80% or less of the previous expected lifespan |
| 19:04.32 | Dagmar | ...and this also means the outliers become even further out. |
| 19:04.47 | Dagmar | So, you could get lucky and have the thing up and die in six months |
| 19:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 19:05.29 | Dagmar | Moral: Find out which chipset you want, hit up NewEgg, sort by price, ignore Jaton and Foxconn |
| 19:05.39 | DWSR | indeed |
| 19:05.40 | DWSR | btw. |
| 19:05.48 | DWSR | I lied about the intro being the coolest part of Quantum. |
| 19:05.54 | DWSR | The surfaces computer is definitely cooler. |
| 19:06.00 | DWSR | I want one |
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| 19:06.44 | Shirik | hi Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Friday, Shirik. What mad plans do you have for the weekend? |
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| 19:12.05 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:24.15 | Lunessa | mad plans, I has them. I'm going to level at least one more toon this weekend. |
| 19:24.57 | Lopeppeppy | Level to... where? |
| 19:25.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going away this weekend, so I can't help. *sigh* |
| 19:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | to the MOON alice, to the moon! |
| 19:25.56 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUiDDWi8k1o |
| 19:27.08 | Lopeppeppy | Well, NHTS, makes a difference which paladin I would have pulled out for company, but then I remembered I'm not gonna be home to rampage. |
| 19:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i was mostly just making a bad joke :P |
| 19:31.35 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 19:39.21 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I got the new shaman to 37.5 before I couldn't think clearly enough for WoW. I'll hit 40-ish this weekend for sure, then start 2-boxing for 300% exp madness. |
| 19:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you're leveling another shaman? |
| 19:40.05 | Shirik | Pop quiz |
| 19:40.11 | Shirik | if you had to associate any celebrity with priests |
| 19:40.12 | Shirik | who would it be? |
| 19:40.13 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. My baby pally is 47, I'll run her with you whenever. And you know alestane has a 45ish as well. |
| 19:40.22 | cog|work | Shirik: the pope |
| 19:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | Priests? ... the freakin' pope maybe. |
| 19:40.30 | Shirik | that's an awesome answer |
| 19:40.33 | Shirik | I was thinking more movies |
| 19:40.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Um, that guy in the Exorcist. |
| 19:40.46 | NightHawkTheSane | george carlin. |
| 19:40.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i hope i splled that name right too. |
| 19:41.01 | cog|work | Anyone with a last name Priestly? |
| 19:41.03 | NightHawkTheSane | is tired and caffeine deprived |
| 19:41.20 | NightHawkTheSane | although, wasn't he a cardinal? |
| 19:41.29 | Cairenn | cog|work: ? |
| 19:41.51 | cog|work | Cairenn: a suggestion to shirik not a question to the channel... sry |
| 19:41.51 | selckin | anyone have ulduar combatlogs? |
| 19:41.59 | cog|work | is confusing |
| 19:41.59 | Cairenn | okay .... |
| 19:42.11 | Shirik | no, pope is fine |
| 19:42.13 | Shirik | it's just |
| 19:42.14 | Cairenn | "(2009-03-27 15:40:58) cog|work: Anyone with a last name Priestly?" is what I was asking about |
| 19:42.17 | Shirik | That's why I didn't come up with it |
| 19:42.20 | cog|work | Cairenn: yeah |
| 19:42.22 | Cairenn | okay |
| 19:42.25 | Shirik | My brain was tuned to the wrong wavelength |
| 19:42.43 | cog|work | Shirik: crossword puzzle? |
| 19:42.47 | Shirik | no |
| 19:43.31 | AnduinLothar | i just got a wow tip that said you can't dodge attacks from behind.. i thought dodge was 360? |
| 19:43.39 | NightHawkTheSane | only for mobs |
| 19:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | players cannot avoid attacks from behind |
| 19:43.59 | AnduinLothar | so parry really is better than dodge? |
| 19:44.00 | selckin | can't dodge/block/parry from behind |
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| 19:44.13 | cog|work | Shirik: thing is... i was on the same wavelength as you but just trying to be a smart ass... |
| 19:44.17 | selckin | thats why turning you back to mobs is such a good idea when tanking |
| 19:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | no, dodge is still better, i think its more efficiant in terms of rating->% |
| 19:44.18 | cog|work | >< |
| 19:44.38 | Shirik | cog|work: It was used as a formality |
| 19:44.41 | selckin | dodge > parry, always. |
| 19:44.41 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, Shaman #3. Why? |
| 19:44.47 | selckin | even with diminishing returns |
| 19:44.50 | NightHawkTheSane | (assuming we care about pure avoidance, and not the haste effect of parry) |
| 19:44.51 | Shirik | I was applying to a guild which I had already known I was going to be accepted into |
| 19:44.55 | Shirik | but I had to fill it out anyway |
| 19:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: just a bit boggled, i have trouble rolling multiples of the same class. |
| 19:45.02 | Lopeppeppy | That's a guild question? |
| 19:45.06 | AnduinLothar | not in % tho, just in rating |
| 19:45.12 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: turing test imo |
| 19:45.22 | Shirik | question is like "If you had to pick any celebrity (other than already-used ones) for a WoW commercial for your class, who would it be?" |
| 19:45.36 | cog|work | oh heh |
| 19:45.39 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I wanted the play experience of leveling with an entirely different methodology, spec and style. |
| 19:45.48 | selckin | if say pope to that, you're so not getting an invite |
| 19:45.51 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: well if we're talking flat un-diminished percentages, like talents.. then yeah, i think parry comes out ahead. |
| 19:46.07 | NightHawkTheSane | but it's almost never a mutually exclusive choice |
| 19:46.08 | cog|work | Shirik: Liv Tyler |
| 19:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | The guy from the exorcist is much more awesome. |
| 19:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | Daniel Craig makes a good priest-y lookin' thing. |
| 19:46.22 | Shirik | don't matter |
| 19:46.25 | Shirik | not only did I already put pope |
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| 19:46.27 | Shirik | I'm already in the guild now |
| 19:46.34 | Shirik | Like I said, it was just a formality :P |
| 19:46.35 | Vonhinten | Tom Cruise for my rogue, most definitely. |
| 19:46.35 | selckin | NightHawkTheSane: parry ahead when? |
| 19:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | Oh! Oh! The guy who played the cardinal in The Da Vinci Code!!! |
| 19:47.18 | NightHawkTheSane | selckin: if you're comparing the abstract of 1% parry to 1% dodge.. |
| 19:48.10 | selckin | NightHawkTheSane: hmm yeah then maybe, but not a usefull thing to compare |
| 19:48.19 | NightHawkTheSane | selckin: agreed.. |
| 19:50.36 | Lunessa | I'm sorry, but the "What's your game?" commercials peaked for me with Ozzy. |
| 19:51.29 | selckin | should have done one with vin and eliza |
| 19:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | Vin Diesel? |
| 19:55.02 | selckin | yeah, he said he plays wow in an interview |
| 19:55.07 | selckin | and d&d |
| 19:57.27 | Lunessa | Yes, I recall that statement somewhere. But then... find someone over 30 who didn't at least /try/ the game at some point. :P |
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| 19:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | Esp. if they're male. |
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| 20:06.22 | kamdis | I'd want Mila Kunis to be in a commercial for WoW. :-) |
| 20:07.55 | Vonhinten | I'm 29, and have never played D&D |
| 20:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | We forgive you. |
| 20:08.14 | Vonhinten | Thanks |
| 20:09.28 | Tekkub | bleh, I bored |
| 20:09.46 | Tekkub | thinking I should install ubuntu on my lil tiny dell for no good reason |
| 20:10.03 | cog|work | Anyone have or know of a list of addons which have been released under an open source licens? |
| 20:11.04 | cog|work | It would be a great way to shoot down all of the "zomg what if everyone started charging for their addon?!?!" crowd |
| 20:11.30 | cog|work | not only would it never happen, it would be illegal ;) |
| 20:11.53 | Lunessa | zomg, what if every one were remunerated for their work. |
| 20:11.56 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 20:12.28 | cog|work | Lunessa: economic growth and prosperity? The horror! |
| 20:12.31 | Lunessa | kamdis: Mila Kunis did a WoW commercial - It was called "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" |
| 20:12.45 | Tekkub | you know, it's been a week now, can we just move on and forget about the policy shit until Blizzy does something about it? |
| 20:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 20:13.11 | cog|work | Tekkub: if people keep posting about it, i'm going to keep responding. There's no reason to let misinformation run unchecked |
| 20:13.14 | Tekkub | everyone has had their say |
| 20:13.25 | Lunessa | Tekkub: /shrug I was just making a snide/sarcastic joke. |
| 20:13.27 | cog|work | Tekkub: obviously not because new people keep entering the conversation |
| 20:13.34 | Tekkub | there's also no reason to reply to idjuts! |
| 20:13.35 | Fisker- | giev paris hilton ad |
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| 20:13.45 | Buglouse | I'm using wow with wine. My tags only display an unknown.. This is with CowTip, Pitbull, other addons. Tags are not registere |
| 20:14.00 | cog|work | Tekkub: actually there is. In the last day, I've personally seen no less than 5 people who were initially hostile change their stance siginificantly |
| 20:14.14 | cog|work | the general attitude on the forums is MUCH better than it was for the first 5 days |
| 20:14.25 | Lopeppeppy | That's awesome. Talk to them on the forums. The air in here is getting stale at times. |
| 20:14.44 | Lunessa | Fisker-: Eww, no thanks. |
| 20:14.53 | Tekkub | yea I'll agree with Floppy, why don't we just keep it to the forums now? |
| 20:14.53 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: i wouldn't be talking about it now if people weren't ... asking us not to talk about it |
| 20:15.22 | cog|work | i was going to drop it with "13:12 <+cog|work> Lunessa: economic growth and prosperity? The horror! |
| 20:15.32 | cog|work | but Tekkub had to open his mouth :P |
| 20:15.33 | cog|work | <3 |
| 20:16.01 | Tekkub | I'm just saying lets all agree to not bring it up in the first place until Blue steps in |
| 20:16.08 | Lunessa | Step 1: Open mouth. Step 2: Insert Cheeseburger. Step 3: Enjoy deliciousness. |
| 20:16.08 | Tekkub | all in flavour |
| 20:16.10 | Tekkub | ? |
| 20:16.32 | Vonhinten | Step 1 is always "Cut a hole in a box" |
| 20:16.35 | Vonhinten | don't forget that |
| 20:16.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy, I'm always in flavor, Tekkub. *weg* |
| 20:16.54 | Tekkub | step 2: ???? Step 3: Orgasm |
| 20:17.05 | Tekkub | fuck I can't type |
| 20:17.11 | kamdis | Lunessa: i know, but i want to see her in an actual "i'm famous and i play <class>" commercial. didn't she say she was a warlock? |
| 20:17.15 | Dewin | Tekkub, if you don't know what step 2 is supposed to be, clearly you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:17.22 | kamdis | s/played/was |
| 20:17.33 | Lunessa | kamdis: I think she said mage. |
| 20:17.34 | malreth | apparently having sex with a vacuum cleaner in a car wash is illegal now. go figure. |
| 20:17.39 | kamdis | Ah, right |
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| 20:17.50 | kamdis | malreth++ |
| 20:17.55 | Tekkub | malreth, yea keep that shit in the privacy of your home |
| 20:17.55 | kamdis | for randomness |
| 20:18.00 | Buglouse | My wow client doesn't seem to be able to display constants. Is this because I get an error on loading ../Data/Icons? |
| 20:18.08 | Lunessa | malreth: You didn't call for bail money, so I guess they reduced the charge? |
| 20:18.11 | Buglouse | ../Data/Interface/Icons* |
| 20:18.16 | Tekkub | if I'm not allowed public buttsex, you're not allowed public vacjobs |
| 20:18.52 | Vonhinten | I don't see why not, vacjobs at least clean up the mess |
| 20:18.55 | durcyn | public intercourse for everyone! |
| 20:18.59 | Tekkub | "display constants" what does that even mean? |
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| 20:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like it's time to run a repair, if you have a PC client. |
| 20:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 20:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://thisisindexed.com/2009/03/heavy-rotation/ |
| 20:21.18 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Nooooo.... |
| 20:21.29 | Buglouse | the variables .. Like [Classification] |
| 20:21.58 | Buglouse | I think they are deined in the Icons files. |
| 20:22.04 | Buglouse | But i don't have them. |
| 20:24.23 | Kraps | whats the deal with the enslaved saronite miners? |
| 20:25.05 | Lopeppeppy | Buglouse, do you have PC or Mac? |
| 20:25.32 | Lopeppeppy | If PC, the Repair tool may help you out considerably if you have damaged game files. |
| 20:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_7961000/7961224.stm |
| 20:26.27 | Buglouse | Lopeppeppy: pc |
| 20:26.31 | Lopeppeppy | .... *rolls eyes* |
| 20:26.36 | Buglouse | on linux, with wine |
| 20:26.41 | Tekkub | "when he gets back from travelling" |
| 20:26.45 | Buglouse | ok |
| 20:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | No no, the eyes were for ScytheBlade1. |
| 20:27.12 | Tekkub | and how the hell do you "scrub off" paint? |
| 20:27.15 | Lopeppeppy | Wine is not a supported environment, Buglouse. Someone here may have hints, but you may be fubar for a solution beyond a re-install. |
| 20:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Million euro house |
| 20:27.18 | Buglouse | but i don't think i have damaged files, |
| 20:27.22 | Buglouse | ill run it |
| 20:27.33 | Buglouse | wine is not the problem, |
| 20:27.39 | Buglouse | reinstall won't fix |
| 20:27.59 | Buglouse | i'm comming on a solution i think, ill post if i find one |
| 20:28.16 | Lopeppeppy | Good luck. the best I can say is "unsupported OS is unsupported". |
| 20:28.35 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: million pounds (sterling) actually, not euros |
| 20:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie everypeople, I'm gone until Sunday night. Ta! Enjoy the spring weekend if that applies! |
| 20:28.57 | Tekkub | spring |
| 20:28.58 | Tekkub | lawl |
| 20:29.01 | Fisker- | bai |
| 20:29.06 | Lunessa | Ciao bela peppy. |
| 20:29.09 | durcyn | spring weekend my ass, more random hailstorms inc |
| 20:29.11 | Tekkub | it just snowed here yesterday ^^ |
| 20:29.19 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 20:29.21 | Tekkub | and, being CO, it's half melted already |
| 20:29.37 | kamdis | It's 71 degrees F and sunny here today. :P |
| 20:30.06 | Esamynn | where are you Tekkub? |
| 20:30.40 | Tekkub | golden/lakewood |
| 20:34.11 | Esamynn | can anyone else who has been playing TWS on cog's server resolve the dns name? |
| 20:34.36 | cog|work | works for me... let me clear my cache |
| 20:35.04 | mikma | warlocks! which minion to use while leveling: imp, succubus, felhunter? (lvl32 ->) |
| 20:35.15 | cog|work | Esamynn: http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php seems to find it just fine |
| 20:35.53 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 20:36.07 | Tekkub | felccubimp |
| 20:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: yup works |
| 20:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: tricky tricky CNAME! |
| 20:36.30 | Vonhinten | think my buddy used his voidwalker mostly to level up, then switch to the felguard |
| 20:36.35 | Esamynn | hmm, it works if I try to resolve here at work too, just not from where where I'm bouncing my telnet connection from |
| 20:38.30 | mikma | i just got my felhunter but don't know is it any good hehe |
| 20:39.12 | durcyn | use the imp |
| 20:39.23 | Dagmar | The imp tanks great |
| 20:39.31 | mikma | it's not that i need a tank :) |
| 20:39.34 | durcyn | turn off all autocasts except for firebolt and blood pact, then set defensive |
| 20:39.35 | mikma | i'm draintanking atm |
| 20:39.50 | durcyn | it's better dps than the others |
| 20:39.51 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Leveling_a_warlock#Levels_30-39 |
| 20:40.31 | mikma | tells me to switch into felhunter at lvl40+, but doesn't count the fact that you can get it at lvl30 |
| 20:40.56 | durcyn | you can safely use the imp all the way to 80 |
| 20:41.30 | mikma | i've heard that one too actually |
| 20:42.06 | durcyn | blood pact helps a bit with drain tanking anyway |
| 20:42.20 | durcyn | though once you get siphon you can just tab dot and go to sleep :> |
| 20:42.35 | cog|work | Esamynn: clear dns cache imo... it's a dyndns so you may have an old ip |
| 20:42.41 | cog|work | *shrug* |
| 20:43.00 | Esamynn | no, it's not that I have an old ip, it's that I can't resolve any IP |
| 20:43.18 | cog|work | oh eew |
| 20:43.31 | cog|work | shrugs |
| 20:44.41 | cog|work | Zootfizzle: if you get the chance, the policy thread needs another unlock... unless it's better left dead... |
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| 20:46.22 | Anaralx2 | cog|work: which thread? |
| 20:46.27 | cog|work | the sticky |
| 20:46.29 | Cairenn | "the" thread |
| 20:46.33 | Anaralx2 | Ah |
| 20:47.01 | cog|work | if it stays locked too long people are going to start making even more new threads about it, i fear >< |
| 20:47.37 | Anaralx2 | Then again, isn't there a max to the # of posts per thread? |
| 20:47.58 | cog|work | Anaralx2: the forum mods can bump it upwards |
| 20:48.05 | cog|work | the default is 25 pages + one post |
| 20:48.12 | cog|work | we're at 100 pages + one post now |
| 20:49.06 | Anaralx2 | And since the sky isn't falling, I take it blizz is still mum? |
| 20:49.46 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.49 | foxlit | mum knows best :) |
| 20:49.54 | cog|work | save for a "we're not planning to take action against users for using paid mods", mum's the word |
| 20:50.11 | mikma | lunessa: heh true that. felhunter doesn't have that in 30-40 tho? |
| 20:50.32 | Lunessa | mikma: I don't recall. It's been a long time. |
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| 20:50.45 | mikma | i on the other hand play in pve server hehe :D |
| 20:50.47 | Lunessa | And back then... playing a warlock sucked. |
| 20:50.48 | Anaralx2 | That's good, I guess... cog |
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| 20:51.10 | Lunessa | I should note that "back then" = pre 1.5 |
| 20:51.15 | cog|work | Anaralx2: certainly didn't make the situation any worse ;) |
| 20:52.00 | foxlit | eh, wowi reply buttons broke :*( |
| 20:52.11 | malreth | i can't wait until the Conficker Botnet gains sentience and sends Arnold Schwarzenegger back to 1984 |
| 20:52.12 | Cairenn | foxlit: huh? |
| 20:52.37 | Fisker- | And here i thought malreth's sentence made less sense |
| 20:52.42 | Anaralx2 | I had the thought a bit ago, that they weren't expecting *this* much backlash... and now they're just hoping the fire dies on its own and they'll never comment on it. |
| 20:52.43 | foxlit | Cairenn: comment page per-post "Edit" and "Reply" buttons do not appear to be clickable |
| 20:53.00 | Cairenn | foxlit: hmmm, okay |
| 20:53.15 | Cairenn | foxlit: what OS, what browser, any blockers of any form? |
| 20:53.22 | Lunessa | malreth: If he does, ask him to stop by my place and tell me that going to college in 1985 is going to suck? |
| 20:54.11 | malreth | ok.. but he'll probably just "ask" you for your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle |
| 20:54.23 | foxlit | The HTML appears valid, at least. |
| 20:55.31 | Anaralx2 | So what exactly is the appeal of the Godfather trilogy... other than it's length and a couple of one liners? |
| 20:55.50 | foxlit | Cairenn: osx, safari 4, nothing special beyond that. |
| 20:55.55 | Lunessa | malreth: Considering that in 1984 that was parachute pants, a members only jacket and a kawasaki 450 - he's welcome to them all. |
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| 20:56.05 | Cairenn | okay, will pass that info along to Dolby |
| 20:56.06 | foxlit | But this looks and smells like a client side issue |
| 20:56.12 | Lunessa | Anaralx2: Don't make me take you to the matresses. |
| 20:56.26 | Anaralx2 | ~lart Lunessa |
| 20:56.26 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack Lunessa |
| 20:56.41 | Anaralx2 | My husband is watching it right now. |
| 20:56.41 | foxlit | ah, I see. |
| 20:57.26 | Dolby | foxlit: on same system clickable for me |
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| 20:58.10 | Dolby | link to page please, maybe specific to a infopage |
| 20:58.19 | foxlit | Dolby: quite likely; I probably misreported things slightly. |
| 20:58.34 | Lunessa | Anaralx2: Good for him. It's a hell of a story. |
| 20:58.47 | foxlit | I actually block ad-serving hosts; what appears to happen is that there's an overlay where the right banner should be that appears on top of the rest of the page |
| 20:59.12 | foxlit | So it presumably captures clicks. I'll see if I can get something more specific |
| 20:59.40 | Dolby | so its your ad blocking script? |
| 21:00.43 | foxlit | Just /etc/hosts. |
| 21:01.12 | Dolby | works for me on my account that shows ads too |
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| 21:07.37 | foxlit | Dolby: which page were you testing on? |
| 21:07.57 | Dolby | file comments |
| 21:08.21 | foxlit | Which file was what I was wondering :) |
| 21:10.02 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#120 |
| 21:10.37 | Dolby | tried about 6 random ones and tomtom |
| 21:10.47 | Dolby | thats why i asked you what file you tried it on |
| 21:11.48 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/box.png |
| 21:12.35 | Lunessa | lots of boxes. Whee! |
| 21:12.42 | foxlit | (seems that I get it anywhere; wondered whether the donation overlay was to blame -- that looks silly in Safari 4, btw) |
| 21:12.46 | Dolby | yeah looks like the div shifted because your blocking the ads |
| 21:13.24 | nevcairiel | bad foxlit, bad |
| 21:13.26 | nevcairiel | evil adblocker |
| 21:13.28 | Dolby | I'm using safari4 on osx |
| 21:13.33 | Dolby | donation overlay looks good too |
| 21:13.54 | Shirik | Oh his ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:13.54 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/donate.png |
| 21:13.56 | Shirik | Hi* |
| 21:14.05 | Shirik | I see you got a little annihilated while I was gone |
| 21:14.34 | nevcairiel | btw Dolby did you change the css of the overlay yesterday or so? I had to force reload this morning to make it look good again |
| 21:15.07 | Dolby | yes and the js, but the css and js filenames changed |
| 21:15.14 | nevcairiel | weird then |
| 21:15.35 | nevcairiel | oh well a reload cleared it all up |
| 21:15.44 | Dolby | other people with ad blockers seem to be getting that too foxlit |
| 21:16.03 | foxlit | Dolby: the issue is that something silly is happening with the 170px margin |
| 21:16.06 | Dolby | but i installed abp and cant reproduce it |
| 21:16.34 | Shirik | does alliance only have 1 FP in Astrannar? |
| 21:16.37 | foxlit | there's no way #wrapper is 170px away from the right page border. |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik | er, Ashenvale |
| 21:16.43 | nevcairiel | Shirik: no |
| 21:16.48 | nevcairiel | forest song too |
| 21:16.49 | durcyn | forest song too |
| 21:16.53 | durcyn | damn it nev |
| 21:17.01 | nevcairiel | win |
| 21:17.02 | Dolby | 170 + body margin |
| 21:17.26 | Shirik | wtf is forest song |
| 21:17.36 | Shirik | nm |
| 21:17.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:17.47 | durcyn | northeast corner, lots of elves and draenei doing questionable things |
| 21:17.55 | nevcairiel | to the east, near the green dragons |
| 21:18.05 | foxlit | more like 100px for me -- best case. |
| 21:18.32 | Dolby | yeah its a lot narrower for you |
| 21:18.40 | Dolby | guessing because its blocking it |
| 21:18.46 | Dolby | i dunno |
| 21:18.58 | foxlit | I'm not sure it has anything to do with that -- I mean, the wowi iframe still loads |
| 21:19.16 | foxlit | The iframe itself is still there as an element, so is its parent div (with the proper width) |
| 21:19.45 | nevcairiel | fun |
| 21:19.46 | Dolby | if you turn the ads on does it work? |
| 21:19.49 | Shirik | is there an inn at forest song? |
| 21:19.51 | nevcairiel | i disabled my adblocker |
| 21:19.51 | Shirik | Seems like no |
| 21:19.55 | nevcairiel | and now its broken |
| 21:20.10 | nevcairiel | I'm premium otherwise, logged out too |
| 21:20.41 | foxlit | Dolby: no |
| 21:20.49 | nevcairiel | hm, now its back to normal |
| 21:21.06 | Dolby | anything else non standard about your browser? |
| 21:21.17 | Dolby | nevcairiel: i havent changed anything |
| 21:21.32 | Dolby | just trying to find a way to reproduce the issye |
| 21:21.34 | nevcairiel | maybe it was one specific ad |
| 21:21.34 | Dolby | err issue |
| 21:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: i c u |
| 21:21.51 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: i c u 2 |
| 21:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: remember my question yesterday? :P |
| 21:22.08 | Shirik | yah |
| 21:22.15 | foxlit | Not that I'm immediately aware of |
| 21:22.40 | Dolby | what comment page btw |
| 21:22.44 | Dolby | can you link it |
| 21:22.48 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12619-tomQuest2.html#comments |
| 21:23.00 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/ads.png is what I see without any ad blocking |
| 21:23.45 | Dolby | ok was able to reproduce the problem |
| 21:23.51 | Dolby | will work on a fix |
| 21:23.57 | Dolby | its a width issue |
| 21:24.09 | Dolby | thanks |
| 21:25.48 | Adys | so Im levelling my rogue again.. anyone could give me some hints which tree to look at for lvling? he's 35 |
| 21:26.39 | Lunessa | combat for soloing. |
| 21:27.07 | Adys | yea mostly questing/solo |
| 21:27.17 | Adys | and hes not gonna go further than 60-65 |
| 21:27.31 | durcyn | combat, then swap to mutilate and never look back |
| 21:28.12 | nevcairiel | why would you level a char if you never plan to do more then 60-65? |
| 21:28.23 | Adys | its for pickpocketing boxes |
| 21:28.41 | nevcairiel | you're one of those insane guys? |
| 21:28.45 | Adys | yeah :P |
| 21:29.36 | Adys | riposte good or not? |
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| 21:32.04 | Codex| | anyone have any idea what event the mage spell mirror image pops, like SPELL_AURA_APPLIED? |
| 21:32.21 | Lunessa | Heh, I knew it. As soon as we announced that machines were being upgraded to Vista I would start getting e-mails saying "Can I stay on XP?" |
| 21:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "No. Too bad." |
| 21:34.21 | Dolby | ok try it now foxlit |
| 21:36.04 | NeoTron | so if I made an addon that let a raid leader auto-hearth a player if they didn't click a button within a period of itme, would that be against some rules? |
| 21:36.07 | Codex| | which dev mod shows u which events were fired? |
| 21:36.13 | durcyn | Codex|: devtools |
| 21:36.16 | Codex| | thanks |
| 21:36.26 | foxlit | Dolby: cleared cache, still the same thing |
| 21:37.32 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Yeah, that was my answer. However, there are some policy exceptions, so I actually get to say, "unless you have a verifiable business reason to stay on XP, no. And your personal preference doesn't count as a business reason." |
| 21:37.36 | Dolby | huh it fixed the reproduced problem on my end |
| 21:37.59 | foxlit | The donation overlay is better, though |
| 21:38.07 | foxlit | I suspect *that* was a cache issue |
| 21:38.19 | Cairenn | ~devtools |
| 21:38.20 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 21:38.24 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Exactly how are you planning to cast a spell/use an item without the required hardware event? |
| 21:38.25 | Cairenn | Codex|: ^^ |
| 21:38.32 | foxlit | (but it has no visible close button, apparently) |
| 21:39.00 | Codex| | devtools has an event spamming every second "map_world_update" |
| 21:39.27 | Dolby | yeah had that problem too but fixing the width problem fixed that |
| 21:39.30 | Codex| | sorry, world_map_update |
| 21:41.35 | Codex| | im trying to get my mod to track flamestrike casts but i cant figure out its event, and i dont think its able to track spellcast_succeeded |
| 21:41.42 | foxlit | well, no. Something still causes it to resize ignoring the margin at some point during loading |
| 21:41.51 | durcyn | Codex|: yours or someone else's? |
| 21:42.01 | NeoTron | Lunessa: maybe they can be logged out |
| 21:42.07 | Codex| | mine |
| 21:42.15 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Nope. You can't do that. |
| 21:42.32 | Codex| | is SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS different than UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED? |
| 21:42.46 | durcyn | SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS is a COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED event type |
| 21:42.55 | NeoTron | well eff that then :P |
| 21:43.20 | Codex| | hmm ok it should be working then but it isnt :/ |
| 21:43.23 | NeoTron | they need to add a raid leader command to do that |
| 21:43.33 | NeoTron | or make it so you're kicked out of raids like any other instance |
| 21:43.54 | NeoTron | remember having to 23 man BT because two people ninja-afkd on us |
| 21:45.29 | durcyn | Codex|: UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED(unit,spell,rank) if unit == "player" and spell = (GetSpellInfo(2120)) then do stuff end |
| 21:45.49 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: you meant "you're not allowed to" by that? |
| 21:46.10 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: You can't log out someone else. |
| 21:46.40 | Gnarfoz | you know that the question was if it could be done with an addon? |
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| 21:47.01 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 21:47.07 | Gnarfoz | like RDX had it |
| 21:47.28 | foxlit | If you can execute code on their PC, you can log them out |
| 21:48.02 | Tekkub | yea that's how RDX had it |
| 21:48.08 | Gnarfoz | (I'm pointing this out since it was a follow-up question to the earlier "can I make an addon to hearth someone else [who has that addon]" question ^^) |
| 21:48.17 | Tekkub | they had code that let you trigger logout via an addon message |
| 21:48.32 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: that's a "yes, but that's evil" for you, then. :D |
| 21:48.47 | foxlit | But the futility of your situation is that you can't force someone who actively doesn't want to comply to do anything, even with an addon. |
| 21:48.59 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 21:49.15 | Gnarfoz | they had to have a way and knowledge of said way to disable that addon without logging out |
| 21:49.30 | Gnarfoz | if you require them having that addon to start with |
| 21:49.42 | Tekkub | MDFMK! |
| 21:49.52 | Tekkub | fuck raid leaders that require certain addons |
| 21:50.12 | Gnarfoz | fuck people who think they can make me do more work because they're stupid :P |
| 21:50.41 | Shefki | Tekkub: It made more sense when threat meters needed to sync. |
| 21:50.48 | Lunessa | I'm with Tekkub on this. |
| 21:50.58 | foxlit | # I think we can all agree that we ought to love one another. I know there are people out there who do not love their fellow human beings, and I HATE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. |
| 21:51.05 | Gnarfoz | if I can have an addon that helps in tracking standbys for raids AND makes it easier to handle dkp auctions... I'll make them install it. :p |
| 21:51.10 | Tekkub | yes, it made more sense before blizzy implemented threat and boss alerts |
| 21:51.11 | Shefki | But at this point it really doesn't matter if people have addons or not because the need for everyone to have them has been diminished. |
| 21:51.14 | Tekkub | now it doesn't |
| 21:51.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: Tom Leher reference is good. |
| 21:51.31 | Shefki | Tekkub: People react slowly. |
| 21:51.42 | Tekkub | Shefki, people suck |
| 21:51.49 | Shefki | Pretty much. |
| 21:51.50 | Gnarfoz | that includes you, then |
| 21:51.51 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:52.00 | Tekkub | Gnarfoz, old news? |
| 21:52.00 | Kalroth | aww |
| 21:52.05 | Gnarfoz | ancient |
| 21:52.11 | Tekkub | SHOW OF HANDS, who didn't know I suck? |
| 21:52.16 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Some people still think that Warrior is the best tank. |
| 21:52.17 | Kalroth | Tekkub doesn't suck! |
| 21:52.20 | Lunessa | A raid I was in wanted me to go install DBM just for its /distance feature. I smiled, nodded, and then raided without it. |
| 21:52.25 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: ...but it is! |
| 21:52.26 | Kalroth | Shefki: It is! |
| 21:52.41 | Tekkub | Lunessa, "I have my own addons, thanks" |
| 21:52.45 | Tekkub | that's all I ever say |
| 21:52.45 | Lunessa | Tekkub: You suck. But so does everyone else. |
| 21:52.58 | foxlit | People are morons when it comes to chaining distance. |
| 21:53.08 | Tekkub | oh and also "I'm sorry I don't have vent, I'm deaf, please type" |
| 21:53.16 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: that sentence is 6 words too long |
| 21:53.23 | Kalroth | You don't need voice comms to raid :( |
| 21:53.24 | Tekkub | only works if I'm not raiding with the ex-roomie though |
| 21:53.31 | Tekkub | Kalroth, EXACTLY |
| 21:53.51 | Tekkub | the only think it does is help leaders that are too lazy to type out instructions for new people :P |
| 21:53.52 | Shirik | ~botmail for Cidan ping me when you get this |
| 21:54.12 | Tekkub | and those ones usually just say "follow star if you die no loot" on heigan :P |
| 21:54.16 | Lunessa | foxlit: Someone gave me grief over "chaining" distance because I moved back up to melee range on KT in my same relative position. All the while these people were screaming for more DPS to get the boss down, and they kept moving him out of melee range. /facepalm. |
| 21:54.20 | Kalroth | Tekkub: We've never used voice comms extensively, last time we used it was on Felmyst and noone but the leader could speak :) |
| 21:54.22 | Gnarfoz | too bad these perfect players who need no aid WHATSOEVER and never make any mistakes that could be avoided with said aid... they apparently are pvp'ers or something because they certainly are not raiding. :P |
| 21:54.34 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: still your fault. |
| 21:54.41 | Tekkub | Kalroth, I would use vent in that case unless the leader just never shuts up |
| 21:54.45 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: meh |
| 21:54.54 | foxlit | It's your fault if you're in chaining range of the tank |
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| 21:55.01 | foxlit | Everyone else can just go right ahead and die. |
| 21:55.11 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Yeah, everything is my fault. |
| 21:55.17 | Tekkub | Gnarfoz, I never said no addons, I said I hated people requiring specific ones |
| 21:55.22 | Gnarfoz | if you're in chaining range of anyone but your camp (with >2 melees, there will be camps :P), you fail |
| 21:55.25 | Kalroth | Tekkub: He never chats on vent, only use it to tell the shit players which way to move (in case of Felmyst :) |
| 21:55.31 | Tekkub | I can fill those needs on my own thanks |
| 21:55.55 | Kalroth | We've gotten two Immortals in Naxx and we haven't used vent/ts once, so .. :) |
| 21:56.04 | Tekkub | yup |
| 21:56.12 | Tekkub | vent is just lazy, that's all |
| 21:56.22 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: specific ones are meh, we just require "use shit that weighs up for your dumbness" and "we'll hurt you if you think you can do without but fail repeatedly" :P |
| 21:56.43 | Tekkub | Gnarfoz, yea the second is the important one |
| 21:56.43 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: FYI, I never caused a chain to the tank. I was one of the few melee who didn't f'up the fight, and the only one who didn't have DBM installed, and I still took a ration of shit. So .. :P |
| 21:56.56 | Kalroth | Personally I prefer music or sometimes just the blissful noise of random ingame procs! :p |
| 21:57.01 | Tekkub | "If you fuck up, repeatedly, you go buhbye" |
| 21:58.11 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: to a healer? or some other caster? ;-) probably not since you're adamant about it - then probably not your fault. you did tell em that DBM doesn't require others to have it installed for that feature to work? :D |
| 21:58.30 | Kalroth | I kinda miss Sunwell, at least the place required some attention |
| 21:58.56 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: I just smiled, nodded, kicked ass, and sat back and let every one gripe and collect their loot. |
| 21:59.31 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: I missed something: they were screaming for more dps...? how is that necessary, like, ever :D |
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| 21:59.53 | Lunessa | The fight was close, and some other retards had f'ed up and were dead. |
| 22:00.02 | Tekkub | Shirik, wha wha wh-wha whaaaaa |
| 22:00.07 | Shirik | ~stab Tekkub |
| 22:00.08 | purl | ACTION runs at Tekkub with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:00.10 | Lunessa | And yet, for some reason, it was all my fault. |
| 22:00.32 | Lunessa | I haven't been back to raid with them. /shrug I don't need that crap in happy fun time. |
| 22:00.54 | Tekkub | Lunessa, there's one other option |
| 22:01.09 | Tekkub | "I do have it, it's not showing up for you?" |
| 22:01.14 | Cairenn | omg, that post by venificus is hilarious |
| 22:01.17 | Tekkub | "Shit, I dunno then, it works for me" |
| 22:01.23 | Lunessa | Haha. |
| 22:02.08 | cog|work | Cairenn: seriously |
| 22:02.15 | cog|work | epic post is epic |
| 22:02.18 | ScytheBlade1 | link? |
| 22:02.19 | Cairenn | quite |
| 22:02.30 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16019851830&sid=1#19 |
| 22:02.37 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 22:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ Dan Rather |
| 22:03.03 | Cairenn | whether you agree or disagree with what he's saying, the way he's said it is a riot |
| 22:04.04 | Tekkub | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=45060 |
| 22:04.05 | Tekkub | ... |
| 22:04.09 | Tekkub | why only staffs? |
| 22:04.25 | Tekkub | some casters have 2H other things |
| 22:04.54 | Dagmar | Yeah, but they're expected to use staves and stay out of my polearms. |
| 22:05.08 | Tekkub | 2H Maces :P |
| 22:05.40 | Stanzilla | most people preferred MH+OH because they had more spellpower that way |
| 22:05.44 | Stanzilla | so it's a balancing thing |
| 22:05.47 | AckisWork | It take many nails To build crib, but one screw to fill it. |
| 22:05.47 | Dewin | cog|work: I agree, epic post is epic. |
| 22:05.51 | Stanzilla | and ulduar has tons of staves |
| 22:05.53 | Tekkub | or do they just only put caster stats on staffs now |
| 22:06.25 | Dagmar | Considering that I've had epic druid staves on my hunter, there's a bit of room for interpretation on that |
| 22:07.38 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: I found that quote i was looking for re: epic failure of logic... |
| 22:07.44 | cog|work | "(when yours has always been free) - that's extremely selfish." |
| 22:07.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: there really aren't any caster 2h maces, and i dont think any other casteer class uses any other 2h weapon type |
| 22:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: also, there are several staves designed for druids/hunters. |
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| 22:08.29 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=sl=17;minrl=71;cr=23:24:123;crs=1:1:1;crv=0:0:0;ma=1 |
| 22:08.37 | Dewin | That forum post would be fun to see as a youtube video |
| 22:08.37 | Tekkub | yea looks like it's all staves these days |
| 22:09.19 | cog|work | Dewin: perhaps adapted into an episode of the guild? |
| 22:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: exactly. why itemize a caster 2h mace/sword/axe that'll be used by no one? :P |
| 22:09.25 | Tekkub | So healadins is forced to 1H eh? |
| 22:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | all good healadins go 1h/shield any way |
| 22:10.22 | Tekkub | but but, I thought blizzy was all about giving people the choice to play bad |
| 22:10.32 | Tekkub | that's why hunters can use EVERYTHING |
| 22:10.45 | NightHawkTheSane | they can't use maces.. |
| 22:10.56 | Tekkub | minor detail |
| 22:11.05 | NightHawkTheSane | or shields |
| 22:11.29 | Tekkub | realistically, how do you fire a bow with a shield on your arm? |
| 22:11.38 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Shaman |
| 22:11.41 | jnwhiteh | skill |
| 22:11.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: can't use swords, or any ranged weapon? |
| 22:11.57 | Tekkub | don't try to bring skill into this |
| 22:12.04 | NightHawkTheSane | no class in the game can use everything :P |
| 22:12.06 | Lunessa | 2H Maces. /shrug |
| 22:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: oh, yeah, technically they can use 2h axes too |
| 22:12.29 | NightHawkTheSane | but meh, why bother? |
| 22:12.35 | Lunessa | Not like either would be a good choice. |
| 22:12.35 | Dagmar | Tekkub: Sorry to disappoint, but Terestian's Stranglestaff might be meant for druids, but it's not bad for hunters around that level by any means. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28658 +37 agi, +48 sta, +25 hr and +76 atk |
| 22:12.36 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: have you seen them hold the shield while fireing the bow? |
| 22:12.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: precisely. |
| 22:13.06 | Dagmar | It was acutally a lateral change for my hunter at the time, and there were no druids about |
| 22:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: since the FAP change, most formerly druid staves were reitemized for hunters as well |
| 22:13.46 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.53 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: This affects that item how? |
| 22:14.42 | NightHawkTheSane | er... Terestrian's stranglestaff used to have FAP on it? |
| 22:14.45 | Arrowmaster | well nobody but druids, hunters, and crazy warriors can even make use of those staves |
| 22:14.49 | Dagmar | They may have reitemized the druid bits, but I remember being offered the staff as a joke, and then acutally *looking* at it, and realizing it was only about 2% different from what I was using as a stat stick |
| 22:15.05 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, except it was worded differently at the time |
| 22:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: ah, you meant before that change |
| 22:15.30 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 22:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | my bad, i missed that |
| 22:16.13 | Dagmar | I don't think it's a matter of "It's all hunter loot" so much that it is Blizzard just kinda seems to wait until the last minute and then tweak a few things to be hunter loot as well instead of bothering with giving us our own tables |
| 22:16.40 | Dagmar | Like, I long for the day when I can acutally get to dig around for a stat stick instead of just finding an NPC that sells me one at revered |
| 22:16.46 | NightHawkTheSane | when you can get away with it, why not? :P |
| 22:17.07 | Dagmar | Kalu'ak car antenna, and the Runeblade of Demonstratable Tetanus are two excellent examples |
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| 22:17.22 | Dagmar | WEll, for one, it makes druids really pissy when they see the staff wiggling around. ;) |
| 22:18.29 | nevcairiel | Thats just the deal, the weapons are not that important for druids and hunters, because they don't use them to attack, thats why NPCs sell them to you. You need to dig and work for a good bow instead of a weapon. |
| 22:19.08 | NightHawkTheSane | well, they're arguably more important to a druid |
| 22:19.30 | nevcairiel | well there are not that many druid weapons on vendors either |
| 22:19.35 | nevcairiel | i think kirintor has a staff |
| 22:19.39 | nevcairiel | but its not that good |
| 22:21.09 | nevcairiel | i'm not exactly sure how many polearms are around, since that weapon is new for druids =P |
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| 22:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I can think of 3-4 off the top of my head. |
| 22:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | one from kalu'ak rep. one from maly-10, and a few in naxx i think |
| 22:23.28 | NightHawkTheSane | course, thats really just the opposite of hunters getting druid staves. :P |
| 22:23.51 | nevcairiel | They steal my kelthuzad staff, i steal their polearms |
| 22:24.13 | nevcairiel | (except that i'm resto, but what can you do) |
| 22:24.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm pretty sure one of our restos has a near-full set of feral & boomkin gear |
| 22:24.39 | NightHawkTheSane | just because we don't have either raiding regularly with us |
| 22:24.54 | nevcairiel | I have pretty good feral gear, thats not the problem :) |
| 22:25.12 | nevcairiel | Except that its off-spec, and i can't call a kelthuzad staff if a hunter wants it =p |
| 22:25.47 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how dual spec is going to work in those types of situations |
| 22:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly like it did before |
| 22:26.06 | nevcairiel | We'll still have one primary spec you choose to raid in |
| 22:26.12 | NightHawkTheSane | what ScytheBlade1 said |
| 22:26.21 | nevcairiel | In rare situations we may ask you to respec |
| 22:26.26 | nevcairiel | But we did that before too |
| 22:26.32 | nevcairiel | so yeha |
| 22:26.34 | nevcairiel | what ScytheBlade1 says |
| 22:26.57 | Thunder_Child | really? if my main spec is SP and my guild needs a healer all the time? which one am i rolling on? current spec in the raid or my usual norm? |
| 22:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. just because i threw on dps gear and nuked the crap out of thaddius and noth doesn't mean ill start bidding on ele gear :P |
| 22:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: thats something you work out with your guild |
| 22:27.34 | Thunder_Child | a lot of stuff on my server is current spec in the raid, not "main" |
| 22:27.48 | NightHawkTheSane | but again, thats not something that changes. |
| 22:27.51 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: if they need one all the time, you should either recruit more healers, or consider being a fulltime healer :) |
| 22:28.04 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to be a healer |
| 22:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Then don't |
| 22:28.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Hint |
| 22:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly like it is now |
| 22:28.24 | nevcairiel | But thats still nothing thats new |
| 22:28.31 | nevcairiel | except that respecing is easier and faster |
| 22:28.32 | Thunder_Child | the dual spec |
| 22:28.39 | Thunder_Child | and not cost anything |
| 22:28.42 | nevcairiel | Like half the healers can respec dps on trash |
| 22:28.44 | nevcairiel | and its fun |
| 22:29.07 | Thunder_Child | i lied, i would do Disc healing for pvp |
| 22:29.12 | Dagmar | Plus, no one's going to talk sh*t at their healer. |
| 22:29.12 | nevcairiel | guildbank paid for raid-related spec switches here |
| 22:29.44 | Kirov | I'm going to dual spec frostfire / arcane on my mage so I can pwn in AOE and bosses |
| 22:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: lol @ ... ERR DEATH! |
| 22:31.37 | cog|work | :) |
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| 22:32.24 | Thunder_Child | " * Taunt-type effects from pets and from classes other than death knight, druid, paladin, and warrior have been set such that bosses can be made immune to them while still affected by death knight, druid, paladin, and warrior taunts." this may make some tanks happy |
| 22:32.53 | nevcairiel | no silly huntards that forget to turn it off |
| 22:33.07 | Dagmar | That's not so useful |
| 22:33.26 | Dagmar | Monkey has a geniune taunt which can save healers |
| 22:33.38 | Dagmar | Hopefully that will only affect Growl and not Taunt |
| 22:33.43 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: they probably don't want people tanking Sartharion with the voidwalker anymore :D |
| 22:33.46 | Thunder_Child | if a boss is on a healer the tank is doing something wrong |
| 22:34.00 | Dagmar | Like, "being in the instance"? |
| 22:34.06 | Dagmar | Tanks get stunned sometimes |
| 22:34.16 | nevcairiel | stun doesnt drop aggro, you know |
| 22:34.38 | Dagmar | I know, but it frequently makes mobs decide that if you can't do anything, you're no threat |
| 22:36.10 | nevcairiel | Just saying, if you rely on some hunter pet saving the day, there is something wrong in the first place |
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| 22:36.27 | Dagmar | "Rely on"? Hell no. |
| 22:36.43 | nevcairiel | Then losing taunt is no big issue :) |
| 22:36.45 | Dagmar | ...but I've got half a dozen macros _just_ for when things don't happen as planned. |
| 22:37.36 | deQer | Anyone know if Blizzard's next game will use the same API and scripting language as WoW? or will you have to learn everything over again. |
| 22:38.02 | ScytheBlade1 | no idea |
| 22:38.03 | Dagmar | deQer: Take a look at how much of what was in Warcraft I is still being used. |
| 22:38.04 | nevcairiel | The same language, maybe, probably even |
| 22:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | But with the success they've seen with this setup, it is likely |
| 22:38.17 | nevcairiel | but the API, i wouldn't even want to speculate |
| 22:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed @ nevcairiel |
| 22:38.24 | Dagmar | They don't reinvent the wheel much |
| 22:38.41 | deQer | ahh |
| 22:39.31 | deQer | How do you guys feel about putting your efforts into WoW, to then see a new game come out in the future that may replace WoW? Like a WoW 2. Would Blizzard ever do that? Make a WoW 2? Don't you think WoW will always be the best out there? |
| 22:39.49 | nevcairiel | "always"? no |
| 22:39.51 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 22:40.09 | Dagmar | THere's pretty much zero reason to expeect there'll be a "WoW 2" |
| 22:40.16 | Shirik | I agree |
| 22:40.20 | nevcairiel | Only blizzard will ever be able to replace WoW |
| 22:40.27 | krka | Universe of Starcraft on the other hand |
| 22:40.33 | nevcairiel | And they do work on a next-gen MMO, whatever that means |
| 22:40.35 | Dagmar | Only Sony can f*ck up a game so much they have to scrap it and increment the version number. |
| 22:40.47 | nevcairiel | But it will never be a WoW2 |
| 22:40.49 | Shirik | They might make a WoW 2 only if they feel leveling to 250 is too long, after ilke 10 expansions |
| 22:40.52 | deQer | I want to start putting effort into WoW UI Dev, but it costs time and effort. I would feel all that would be to waste if WoW was suddenly replaced by something, for some reason, a year later. Should I be worried about that? |
| 22:40.52 | NightHawkTheSane | bets on blizz's next-gen mmog being a starcraft theme? :P |
| 22:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 22:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 22:41.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: if we get to that point, and wow is still in active dev, i'll be mildly impressed |
| 22:41.13 | nevcairiel | WoW still has a long time to live |
| 22:41.15 | Shirik | mildly? |
| 22:41.20 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, VERY |
| 22:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI constantly changes , but it isn't going away any time soon |
| 22:41.21 | deQer | Interesting |
| 22:41.30 | Dagmar | deQer: It's a game. If you're expecting some "return on investment" then allow me to suggest you go learn carpentry. |
| 22:41.36 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:41.44 | Shirik | where did you get carpentry from o.o |
| 22:41.54 | Dagmar | You can keep furniture a long time. |
| 22:41.59 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:42.00 | deQer | The ROI is #1: people using my product, and #2: people enjoying my product. that's all I ask. |
| 22:42.12 | deQer | makes me feel great |
| 22:42.14 | Shirik | Even if WoW is gone, many other languages use Lua |
| 22:42.16 | Dagmar | PLus, it's nice and peaceful (except when you're using the electric saws) |
| 22:42.18 | Shirik | er, many games |
| 22:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: lol |
| 22:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | you should probably look for something less transitory then |
| 22:42.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i suggest carpentry |
| 22:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 22:42.27 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:42.41 | Shirik | So learning Lua in and of itself is of benefit to you |
| 22:42.45 | Shirik | It also looks good on a resume |
| 22:42.56 | deQer | Shirik, are you serious? |
| 22:42.59 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM looks good on a resume |
| 22:43.03 | nevcairiel | Anyway, WoW will be around for a looong time, and what you learn from dealing with WoW will certainly help you with a feature game. |
| 22:43.05 | Shirik | why wouldn't I be? |
| 22:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I stuck it on mine |
| 22:43.16 | nevcairiel | s/feature/future/ |
| 22:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Why would adding another language to the list of ones you know be anything less than good? |
| 22:43.51 | Shirik | One of the things that's near the top of my resume is "Experience developing bindings from Lua to C and C++" -- while that doesn't pertain to WoW, I feel that's a very big point |
| 22:44.01 | Thunder_Child | less than good != return investment in time and effort |
| 22:44.19 | deQer | NightHawkTheSane, I don't like the lack of confidence you bring forth for me. :) |
| 22:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | eh? |
| 22:44.33 | Thunder_Child | knowing lua is fuck all on a resume if your a carpenter |
| 22:44.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:44.42 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:44.43 | deQer | I think confidence is the wrong word |
| 22:44.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well, not if you want to get a job as a lua developer |
| 22:44.58 | Shirik | What do you put on a Carpenter's resume? |
| 22:45.02 | Shirik | "Experience with staple guns" |
| 22:45.08 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 22:45.18 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you build a resume, you don't write one =) |
| 22:45.18 | Thunder_Child | damn i must be a master then |
| 22:45.22 | Shirik | whatever nevcairiel |
| 22:45.43 | deQer | NightHawkTheSane, you recommended that I find something less transitory, but WoW still has a long way's to go? |
| 22:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | long is a relative term. |
| 22:46.08 | deQer | heh :) |
| 22:46.12 | Shirik | WoW will be dead soon (tm) |
| 22:46.13 | Thunder_Child | so is your.... |
| 22:46.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, if all you care about is the RoI, and people enjoying your work, something more permanent may be better suited |
| 22:46.17 | Thunder_Child | shuts up |
| 22:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ soon (tm) |
| 22:47.02 | deQer | I dunno. I wish I got into the UI dev scene 4 years ago. I have a passion for creating addons to games, whether it be 3D levels for FPS games, or models, etc. |
| 22:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | I mean, consider something like the pyramids. We've been enjoying those for centuries. |
| 22:47.34 | nevcairiel | WoW will at least have another expansion, which puts it at 4-5 years at least, if not more expansions to follow. I don't think they would kill off WoW when their new MMO is ready, so yeah, its still pretty long. |
| 22:47.36 | Shirik | Well I should point out you cannot manipulate the 3D world in WoW |
| 22:47.37 | NightHawkTheSane | compared to a wow addon, that's much more impressive. ;P |
| 22:47.59 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: more people died for it too |
| 22:48.00 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, enjoying is relative as well |
| 22:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: you haven't seen the work on my mods, have you. |
| 22:48.14 | Thunder_Child | if we didnt have that we would be touristing something else |
| 22:48.16 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:48.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 22:48.28 | NightHawkTheSane | more jews died for my mod than for the pyramids! |
| 22:48.36 | NightHawkTheSane | </offensive> |
| 22:48.40 | krka | if you write good addon code, it will be easy to translate to other similar games |
| 22:48.41 | deQer | That's another topic I don't understand. Why would they make another MMO, when they have WoW. And why would they keep WoW alive while releasing another MMO? |
| 22:48.44 | krka | such as blizzards next mmo |
| 22:48.45 | nevcairiel | I don't think they had jews in that time |
| 22:48.54 | krka | i don't think blizzard will ever leave the mmo market |
| 22:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: hm, who were the slaves then? |
| 22:49.11 | Thunder_Child | are you serious nevcairiel? |
| 22:49.12 | krka | if wow starts to decline, they'll push out their next one |
| 22:49.15 | deQer | Why 2 MMO's, when you can keep things simple and have people focused on 1 mmo |
| 22:49.17 | Thunder_Child | L2history |
| 22:49.28 | Shirik | deQer: Different people like different things |
| 22:49.33 | NightHawkTheSane | why sell 2 products instead of one? :P |
| 22:49.38 | deQer | lol |
| 22:49.40 | deQer | ok ok |
| 22:49.50 | Shirik | if Blizzard makes the decision of a different universe, which I assume they will |
| 22:49.51 | deQer | :) |
| 22:49.55 | Shirik | it will attract different people |
| 22:49.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yeah, more or less a given i think |
| 22:50.05 | krka | Blackthorne MMO |
| 22:50.06 | Shirik | If you drop wow in favor of that, you have the likelihood they will go to a different game |
| 22:50.08 | Dagmar | "Just to hear Sony execs crying" sounds like a good reason for Blizz to have 2 MMOs |
| 22:50.09 | krka | Rock and Roll racing MMO |
| 22:50.16 | Shirik | Dagmar :P |
| 22:50.18 | Thunder_Child | deQer, thats why they waiuted so long to release the next version of Diablo and SC, so people would get hooked on WoW. compaired to WoW D and SC is a fad |
| 22:50.22 | Thunder_Child | waited* |
| 22:50.23 | krka | Lost Vikings MMO |
| 22:50.24 | deQer | I love Rock and Roll Racing! |
| 22:50.46 | Dagmar | Shirik: I'm not just a *little* bitter about the way Sony handled EverQuest |
| 22:50.46 | deQer | Thunder_Child, ahh, hehe |
| 22:50.52 | Thunder_Child | servers are going to be EMPTY when D3 and SC2 come out |
| 22:50.56 | krka | i think SC has way more play time than wow |
| 22:50.57 | Thunder_Child | but people will come back |
| 22:51.13 | Thunder_Child | it's been out for much longer Kraft |
| 22:51.17 | Thunder_Child | sorry |
| 22:51.20 | Thunder_Child | krka* |
| 22:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case |
| 22:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW will not be dying any time in the predictable future |
| 22:52.07 | Dagmar | I mean, is it even possible to be so stupid as to think that nerfing a damage-centric class' ability to do damage to the point where they can't kill XP-giving mobs anymore? Tha had to have just been outright malice. |
| 22:52.17 | Kraft | Thunder_Child: lol |
| 22:52.33 | Kraft | i had no idea what u were on about there >< |
| 22:52.39 | Thunder_Child | i'll bet |
| 22:53.01 | Thunder_Child | stupid tab complete not reading my mind again |
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| 23:17.55 | mikma | foxlit: what was the private-server macro-video you showed to us some time ago? |
| 23:18.34 | foxlit | Who said anything about private servers? |
| 23:19.00 | mikma | i did! them functions don't exist in live/beta? :O |
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| 23:19.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:19.42 | foxlit | You're wrong; although slightly so :) |
| 23:20.05 | mikma | cheat, cheat, report! |
| 23:21.27 | foxlit | Of course, a truth is that those conditionals don't exist, even in that video. |
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| 23:24.51 | foxlit | There's just a really silly way to achieve that functionality that *is* live. |
| 23:25.19 | kd3 | oh wow. wonderful. no wonder I've been having wine issues lately. the nvidia driver is leaking memory like a sieve |
| 23:26.44 | foxlit | mikma: http://pastey.net/111081-3ajg if you're wondering |
| 23:29.41 | |Jelly| | Zootfizzle: I don't imagine you can, but is there any way you can tell me why my account is "inactive" on the forums? It's paid up, and the only other option it gives is that it's suspended. I emailed them this morning but of course haven't gotten any kind or response. |
| 23:30.01 | End | why the hell would Zootfizzle know? |
| 23:30.19 | mikma | foxlit: now that's quite interesting actually |
| 23:31.11 | |Jelly| | Because he's an admin on the forums that I'm apparently suspended from. Why in the hell is it a problem to ask the most convenient source available? |
| 23:31.25 | End | he's a moderator |
| 23:31.29 | Esamynn | not an admin |
| 23:31.37 | NeoTron | wow they removed the lexicon of power requirement to toggle glyphs |
| 23:31.43 | Esamynn | he has no powers when it comes to the live game systems, accounts etc. |
| 23:31.50 | mikma | neotron: old news is old! |
| 23:31.50 | Esamynn | NeoTron: you mean to apply them? |
| 23:31.58 | End | yes, to apply them |
| 23:32.04 | End | same restrictions as spec switching now |
| 23:32.07 | Esamynn | huh |
| 23:32.13 | |Jelly| | oh for fuck's sake; heaven forbid someone ask someone. I knew I should have fucking pm'd him to begin with. Notice the first god damned part of the fucking sentence. |
| 23:32.21 | Esamynn | which is basically not restrictions |
| 23:32.43 | Esamynn | |Jelly|: we're all on your ass because if we pester him with stuff like that, he won't stay |
| 23:33.28 | End | ^ |
| 23:33.34 | mikma | yeah, true. |
| 23:34.19 | foxlit | mikma: seems boring, really :) |
| 23:34.40 | foxlit | and the health/mana match is probably way overzealous. |
| 23:34.54 | mikma | foxlit: no, not really. we can bot easily with that! |
| 23:35.13 | kmcguire | Jelly, what name do you post on the forums with? |
| 23:36.41 | foxlit | of course not, don't be silly :) |
| 23:37.02 | mikma | i know, was just poking you with sharp, hot stick |
| 23:37.15 | foxlit | it seemed lukewarm :( |
| 23:37.54 | mikma | foxlit: so that'll work in 3.1.0? |
| 23:39.03 | foxlit | Dunno. |
| 23:39.23 | mikma | well it worked on your video! |
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| 23:49.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev is Keep the channel civil. Debate is fine as long as it is respectful of each othersâ opinions and kept civilized, constructive and courteous. No flaming! No trolling! New WoW UI Development Policy http://tinyurl.com/c4ga6a |
| 23:49.25 | Thunder_Child | even more fail http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/alfie_patten_you_arenot_the_fa.php |
| 23:49.31 | End | ~hi |
| 23:49.32 | purl | hello, end |
| 23:54.40 | Thunder_Child | http://io9.com/5187033/picard-steals-the-show-on-family-guys-star-trek-reunion |
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| 23:56.08 | deQer | How do I set a invite keyword on ora2 |
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| 23:56.40 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - that actually looks like a fun episode |
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| 23:57.03 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, ya |
| 23:57.55 | deQer | omg, thank you End! |
| 23:58.03 | deQer | no matter how much I googled, there was no documentation to be found |
| 23:58.26 | mikma | stupid Ace2 shit |
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