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| 00:16.31 | WobWork | hm |
| 00:16.35 | WobWork | Arctic or antarctic? |
| 00:16.46 | Thunder_Child | both |
| 00:19.58 | Lunessa | There's a reason I have a job in academia now instead of another high-pressure start up. |
| 00:21.27 | WobWork | Which should I visit? I can only do one this time |
| 00:21.58 | ZorbaTHut | the one with penguins |
| 00:22.01 | ZorbaTHut | because penguins are adorable |
| 00:22.28 | WobWork | antarctic it is =) |
| 00:22.45 | WobWork | technically closer |
| 00:22.56 | Lunessa | Wait... You're really going? |
| 00:23.03 | WobWork | yes =) |
| 00:23.10 | Lunessa | hate you so much... |
| 00:23.20 | WobWork | My parents offered me a trip anywhere around the world for my b'day present |
| 00:23.28 | Lunessa | Dude, that rules. |
| 00:23.30 | mikma | wobwork: come to finland! nooot |
| 00:23.34 | ccox | antarctic - but you missed the prime summer season already |
| 00:23.45 | WobWork | True, but it stands for anytime this year |
| 00:23.53 | WobWork | so it'll end up being at the end of the year for the start of the season |
| 00:23.54 | ccox | soon the weather won't be passable |
| 00:23.55 | Lunessa | And you're going to the land of "So cold even the frikkin Rus won'dn't stay." |
| 00:24.05 | mikma | 1) Finland at summer (midsummer festival = lots of drowned drunken people with fly open) |
| 00:24.17 | mikma | 2) Finland at winter ... if you like snow ^^ |
| 00:24.50 | ccox | 3) Finland anytime if you like people with a high blood-alcohol ratio |
| 00:25.07 | Lunessa | And Hash Bars. |
| 00:25.13 | mikma | drunken bastards... |
| 00:25.16 | [draco] | you can have that almost everywhere |
| 00:25.19 | mikma | thank god i don't drink booze |
| 00:26.31 | WobWork | hm |
| 00:26.31 | WobWork | http://www.peregrineadventures.com/Antarctica/Trip/Overview.html?trip=Antarctica,-the-Falkland-Islands-&-South-Georgia---departs-09/10&tripid=3288 |
| 00:26.31 | Lunessa | LOL - Realm Forum Index - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11364&sid=1 |
| 00:26.43 | Lunessa | top 9 threads? Recruitment. |
| 00:28.13 | WobWork | Lunessa: I reckon... they're short good players =P |
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| 00:28.41 | Lunessa | WobWork: And this is why I'm having trouble finding people for my guild roster. |
| 00:28.49 | Dagmar | ccox: I hear they have a positively awesome jell-o wrestling league there |
| 00:28.58 | ccox | lol |
| 00:29.24 | Dagmar | You saw the news article then. :) |
| 00:29.44 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40119 |
| 00:29.46 | mikma | lol wut! |
| 00:31.07 | Thunder_Child | whats so odd about that mikma? |
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| 00:31.46 | mikma | thunder_child: EPIC GEMS! lovely |
| 00:31.50 | Lunessa | Holy hell, $10K in fees for the cruise itself. |
| 00:32.11 | mikma | also... http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=61999 does this require reagent? |
| 00:32.30 | Thunder_Child | CostNone |
| 00:32.46 | Lunessa | + roughly $200 in gratuities, and air fare. |
| 00:32.47 | Thunder_Child | unless that is refering to mana |
| 00:32.57 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=46584 |
| 00:33.00 | mikma | cost, none. |
| 00:33.04 | Lunessa | I think I can't afford antartica - like ever. |
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| 00:33.25 | Dagmar | If you promise to stay there for awhile you can probably get someone to pay you to go |
| 00:34.45 | Thunder_Child | wth is up with blizzard not letting you stack windows....i cant seem to have the calendar open at the same time as the raid pane |
| 00:35.13 | Codayus | They hate you. |
| 00:35.20 | Thunder_Child | so it would seem |
| 00:36.09 | Lunessa | Dagmar: If I promise to stay there forever, I'm sure some people around here would take up a collection. :P |
| 00:36.31 | Thunder_Child | IRC is accesable from anywhere.... |
| 00:36.47 | Dagmar | I'm not acutally joking. |
| 00:36.54 | Dagmar | They'll pay women to live in Alaska |
| 00:37.23 | Dagmar | I figure they'll probably pay more for the poles, provided they ever decide to homestead it |
| 00:37.55 | Thunder_Child | yes polish people to earn more |
| 00:39.02 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It's a secret, but Lunessa Has Man Parts. |
| 00:39.41 | ccox | (in a jar) |
| 00:39.45 | Dagmar | I wasn't trying to imply either sex. |
| 00:39.54 | ccox | (hidden in a closet) |
| 00:39.57 | Kirov | Lunessa - well, I would say most women have access to more man parts than most guys do. |
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| 00:40.11 | Dagmar | A lack of bears to hunt and a lack of sports bars means they'll pretty much need to pay men to live at the pole as well |
| 00:40.22 | Lunessa | Kirov: "Well, I have one of these, and mommy says with one of these I can get all of those I want." |
| 00:40.34 | Kirov | hehe |
| 00:41.02 | WobWork | Lunessa: It's true |
| 00:41.07 | WobWork | It's definitely -not cheap- |
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| 00:41.37 | WobWork | Pondering connecting flights however |
| 00:41.47 | WobWork | it may be cheaper for the antarctic than the arctic |
| 00:42.00 | Lunessa | WobWork: I triple-checked the prices before commenting. A trip there costs more than my vehcile. |
| 00:42.11 | WobWork | that's in AUD, btw |
| 00:42.21 | WobWork | so somewhat cheaper atm in USD |
| 00:42.37 | Lunessa | The page clearly said USD. |
| 00:42.39 | WobWork | but connecting flights would probably bring it back up =) |
| 00:43.00 | WobWork | oh, maybe they have some funky geocoding in there |
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| 00:44.36 | Dagmar | Most of the flight industry uses the currency of the dominant nation |
| 00:45.04 | Lunessa | Prices range from $10K US to $17K US. That's a pretty big chunk of change. Adding in the flights and other fees means... I'd be looking at a $12-19K US trip. Or, you know, making a down payment on a home. |
| 00:45.18 | Dagmar | AA has stuff just about everywhere, but you can plot flights to the middle-of-nowhere Turkey and it'll quote you prices in USD from one end to the other |
| 00:45.34 | Thunder_Child | "sigh.. so many ppl using aim has forced me to get it.. and im actually starting to like the notices of them going offline n such.. im actually starting to like a portion of an aol product.. someone come over to my house right now.. bring a gun.." |
| 00:45.53 | WobWork | (just that it's all in AUD for me on that site) |
| 00:45.58 | Dagmar | Tell 'em to install Pidgin |
| 00:46.02 | WobWork | or Digsby |
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| 00:46.59 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: *cough* I was one of the original team for AIM. |
| 00:47.20 | Thunder_Child | do you people not see the ""? |
| 00:47.31 | Dagmar | What do you take for the nightmares? |
| 00:48.17 | Thunder_Child | "there is a special place in hell, down the hall from hitler, for real player" |
| 00:48.22 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I took a three year retirement filled with booze and strippers. |
| 00:48.28 | Dagmar | That'll work! |
| 00:48.44 | Shirik | Lunessa: Does that mean I should hate you now? |
| 00:48.57 | Dagmar | I just knew them originaly as QuantumLink, when it was the most deliciously squishy network ever |
| 00:49.14 | Lunessa | Shirik: If you like. My self-loathing leaves me no energy left over to worry about your hate. |
| 00:49.19 | Shirik | :P |
| 00:49.42 | Dagmar | I came upon them some years after they became AOL and got interested in how they did things only to find that the policy was apparently "That which wasn't dumb enough to completely shut us down yesterday, won't shut us down tomorrow either" by the look of it |
| 00:49.45 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Ah, QLink - designed to deliver games to your home via a phone line. |
| 00:50.17 | Dagmar | Unless I was misled it was mainly meant to deliver ads and services to your C=64 |
| 00:50.24 | Lunessa | Actually, the idea was "Integrated online content via easy to use client" - But, the world changed. |
| 00:50.50 | Dagmar | Never before had I seen a system where you could become an admin by flipping a bit in your *own* computer. |
| 00:50.55 | Lunessa | I went to work there in '94 and left in '99 - in that time we broke a lot of ground. |
| 00:51.10 | Dagmar | So did Jim Jones |
| 00:51.26 | Thunder_Child | !google turkey+baster |
| 00:51.26 | batbot | Thunder_Child: Turkey Baster - Oxo Good Grips - OXO Good Grips Cooks' Tools & Gadgets <http://www.chefsresource.com/turkey-baster.html> |
| 00:51.27 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Are you talking about the * tool? |
| 00:51.32 | Thunder_Child | boo |
| 00:52.28 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I might be. Years and years of raves have left some memories only available to the parts of my brain I'm not on speaking terms with anymore |
| 00:52.31 | Lunessa | My Non-Compete and Non-Disclosure agreements are long expired. |
| 00:53.03 | Lunessa | Yeah, one of my first projects as a developer was to kill illegal installs of that tool. |
| 00:53.19 | Dagmar | Like, I can manage a mail spool on a VMS system using the built-in mail client, but only if I don't look at what I'm typing |
| 00:53.46 | Dagmar | This is probably for the best. |
| 00:54.16 | Shirik | I <3 <3 <3 my laptop speakers |
| 00:54.28 | Dagmar | I never had any official *tool* for screwing with quantumlink--it just never contradicted what I told it to do unless it was just impossible |
| 00:54.31 | Shirik | They're so good, I can use my laptop as a boombox while working on another computer |
| 00:54.58 | Lunessa | Yeah, there was a client-end tool for talking to server end pieces. It had a bug in it and one of the guys on the QA team slipped it to some "hackers" for cash. I got the job of cleaning up after that. |
| 00:55.40 | Dagmar | I would say the bug was that the only controls on what you could pull off were left in the hands of people who could install a cart that would let you diddle any memory location at any time and had a built-in disassembler |
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| 00:56.05 | Shirik | Any SVN experts around? |
| 00:56.09 | Thunder_Child | "so I was walking through the city with a bunch of roses in one hand and a bag of potaotes in the other, and I had something like five people stop me and ask if I was going to propose to an irishman" |
| 00:56.16 | Shirik | If I remove an svn:externals property, does the associated folder get deleted? |
| 00:56.20 | Shirik | Or does it just remain there unversioned? |
| 00:56.51 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It was a tool for working internally, it was never, ever, ever meant to be used by more than 12 or so people in trusted postions. But hey, what do I know, I was only there. |
| 00:57.59 | Thunder_Child | wow http://bash.org/?870063 |
| 00:58.48 | Tekkub | you know what would be cool, if humans shed their skin all at once like snakes |
| 01:00.38 | Shirik | <http402> You've been webbin' since three, but still ain't grown up, |
| 01:00.38 | Shirik | <http402> Gotta update your config and send the brain a SIGHUP. |
| 01:00.43 | Shirik | Thunder_Child wins |
| 01:00.58 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Ewww... no thanks. |
| 01:01.14 | Thunder_Child | yes Shirik, that is rather epic |
| 01:01.21 | Tekkub | I'm peeling, I just want it to finish :P |
| 01:01.31 | Dagmar | sunburn? |
| 01:01.45 | Tekkub | nope |
| 01:01.48 | Thunder_Child | lol i read "+Tekkub: I'm peeing, I just want it to finish :P" |
| 01:01.55 | WobWork | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a0214aedd3b26fd57072b547a520596f.jpg <- best wedding cake ever |
| 01:02.20 | Tekkub | I have to go over here now... |
| 01:07.23 | Dagmar | Yeah that picture will be great during the divorce trial |
| 01:09.19 | Shirik | lua> maybe = loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1', '\1\2'))(); print(type(maybe), maybe==true, maybe==false) |
| 01:09.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: boolean, true, false |
| 01:09.28 | Shirik | --> maybe = loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1', '\1\2'))(); print(type(maybe), maybe==true, maybe==false) |
| 01:09.30 | batbot | Shirik: boolean true false |
| 01:09.36 | Shirik | grr |
| 01:09.39 | Shirik | wtb unpatched lua |
| 01:16.59 | Lunessa | Anyone ever made use of http://be.imba.hu/ or http://www.wow-heroes.com/ ? |
| 01:17.22 | Dagmar | Be Imba, yes. The other, never heard of it. |
| 01:17.26 | Dagmar | I wasn't very impressed with Be Imba |
| 01:17.41 | Dagmar | It has very narrow ideas of what proper gearing should be |
| 01:17.59 | Lunessa | I'm looking for ways to help guildees improve the improvable. |
| 01:18.20 | Dagmar | Rawr is probably the best bet going then |
| 01:18.20 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 01:18.47 | Dagmar | When it's generating completely insane things (like 2.1.9 if you load a warlock's stats--it'll try to show you LEATHER gear) |
| 01:18.51 | Dagmar | you can tell. |
| 01:19.22 | Dagmar | The theorycrafting numbers don't seem to be _exact_ but they'll get you to within 5-10% of reality it seems |
| 01:19.26 | Codayus | Rawr is pretty good, for classes/specs it has a good model for. :-) |
| 01:19.27 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 01:19.43 | Lunessa | Rawr is available where? |
| 01:19.43 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 01:19.49 | Codayus | The holy/disc model is good, for example. Others I'm less familiar with. |
| 01:19.49 | Dagmar | 2.2.0b3 appears to work for locks, but I've got no idea about how it selects the cast rotations |
| 01:20.05 | Dagmar | Hunter stuff is close to correct, Frost mage is almost accurate |
| 01:20.10 | Lunessa | NM - found it. |
| 01:20.15 | Dagmar | www.codeplex.com |
| 01:20.33 | WobWork | wow-heros.com isn't too bad |
| 01:20.33 | Dagmar | To get 2.2.0b3 you have to click through the releases link (i.e., not the download button) |
| 01:20.36 | Codayus | Lunessa: Make sure to grab the 2.2.0b3, not 2.1.9 which is the lest stable one. |
| 01:20.42 | Codayus | ...oops, too slow. |
| 01:20.44 | WobWork | it gives you a good indication if you're missing an enchant/gem |
| 01:20.51 | WobWork | and suggestions to the enchants |
| 01:21.00 | WobWork | and also what instances you'd be aiming for |
| 01:21.15 | Shirik | I hate theorycrafting |
| 01:21.24 | Shirik | Everyone has all this magical math that "proves" their numbers |
| 01:21.33 | Lunessa | *nod* I wanted to get an idea of ways to help guildees improve without having to become expert in all their classes. |
| 01:21.37 | Shirik | In actuality, no math can account for the way the fight actually plays out |
| 01:21.41 | Codayus | wereHamster: True. It really depends what sort of problems your guildies have... |
| 01:22.02 | Shirik | I haven't met a single person yet that plays their character with robotic accuracy and has no obstacles during the fight |
| 01:22.03 | Dagmar | WowHeroes at least has no idea about gun enchants, this much I can tell |
| 01:22.08 | Shirik | except maybe hogger |
| 01:22.22 | Dagmar | I've *had* that gun with all the other scopes on it that wowheroes is rating higher |
| 01:22.39 | WobWork | Shirik: It's not about getting the perfect rotation out in the perfect situation |
| 01:22.52 | WobWork | it's about getting the best rotation you can in that sitiuation |
| 01:22.57 | Lunessa | I'm also horribly concerned that "I'm doing it all wrong" and always looking for ways to improve my own play. |
| 01:23.00 | Codayus | Shirik: Eh... Your technically right, but... Look, either crit is better than haste for a given class, spec, and sufficiently well defined scenario or its not. |
| 01:23.05 | WobWork | the theorycrafting can at least point you in the direction you should be aiming at |
| 01:23.14 | Shirik | Codayus: If you take it only to that level, then sure |
| 01:23.23 | Shirik | But when people start saying "Look, this gives me an extra 10 dps!" |
| 01:23.25 | WobWork | It's like physics |
| 01:23.31 | Shirik | "If I get this talent here over that one" |
| 01:23.37 | Dagmar | Rawr basically lists gear by how much it is (in theory) contributing to your DPS |
| 01:23.37 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 01:23.38 | Shirik | At some level it's acceptable |
| 01:23.44 | WobWork | You'll never get a situation where you have a frictionless surface and a perfectly smooth slope etc |
| 01:23.46 | Shirik | when it comes down to minute details |
| 01:23.52 | Codayus | The answer to this question is important, it CAN be answered accurately, and the only way is math, like it or not. |
| 01:23.54 | Shirik | then people need to be quiet |
| 01:24.04 | Shirik | Codayus: What question? |
| 01:24.39 | Codayus | The flaw comes from taking a number derived from "okay, if you chain cast this exact spell rotation, with this gear and buffs, with no more than 200ms lag, for 5m, then these stat weights apply" and saying "zomg crit is better than haste". |
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| 01:24.48 | WobWork | is ecs == gryphen, or did they just adopt the catchphrase? =P |
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| 01:24.55 | Shirik | I'm trying to figure that one out :P |
| 01:25.07 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:25.33 | Dagmar | Codayus: This is why I like Rawr actually, since the numbers degrade fairly gracefully it's a lot more useful than something as thick as "You should go to Naxx 25!" |
| 01:25.38 | WobWork | maybe Gryphen subcontracted out the complaint to ecs |
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| 01:25.46 | Gryphen | :o |
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| 01:25.51 | Shirik | this is why I dislike rawr |
| 01:25.53 | Gryphen | who? |
| 01:25.59 | Shirik | Because I know another rawr |
| 01:26.01 | WobWork | Rawr |
| 01:26.03 | Shirik | And I like that addon better |
| 01:26.14 | WobWork | aw, they stopped =P |
| 01:26.22 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5560-Rawr.html |
| 01:26.29 | Gryphen | imitator :o |
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| 01:27.04 | Mikk | ~google wow rawr |
| 01:27.07 | Codayus | ...that was a bit odd. |
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| 01:27.25 | Mikk | anyway... Rawr: http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr |
| 01:27.39 | Dagmar | Shririk: At the upper levels trying to figure out which of two pieces of gear you're looking at is more DPS or survivability than the other, the math becomes a massive pain in teh butt |
| 01:27.56 | Dagmar | ...but you can generally count on Rawr, and if you can't you can always go look at the source to check it's work |
| 01:28.09 | Mikk | For models that are actually up to date yes |
| 01:28.14 | Mikk | Which is not true for all models :> |
| 01:28.19 | Thunder_Child | EoE25 Fail attempt (1) |
| 01:28.27 | Dewin | Heh, the mage model is up to date and I've had Rawr do some strange things anyways |
| 01:28.32 | Dagmar | Yeah, Hunter.Rawr is still busted in a few places, but it's going to give good relative numbers |
| 01:28.47 | Dewin | like suggest I change my meta to one that requires 2 blue gems, and then change all my gems to the +spellpower red gem |
| 01:29.01 | Dagmar | The gemming system is still a mess |
| 01:29.04 | Dagmar | That one's for sure |
| 01:29.13 | Mikk | Mmm that's apparently getting better in 2.2 |
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| 01:29.15 | Mikk | which is in beta |
| 01:29.17 | Dewin | Also, I had it update the item info from wowarmory and it dropped all the socket bonuses out |
| 01:29.20 | Dagmar | Frankly I liked the non-automatic gemming better, even if it was tedious |
| 01:29.27 | Dagmar | Dewin: known bug |
| 01:29.44 | Mikk | Update from wowhead instead |
| 01:29.45 | Dagmar | Now if you could just edit the *source* for the items as easily as you can edit socket bonuses in the editor I'd be happy as a clam |
| 01:29.48 | Mikk | Or just don't update at all |
| 01:29.55 | Shirik | Dagmar: At the "pain in teh butt" part I argue that it is no longer sufficient in making that decision |
| 01:30.00 | Shirik | playability makes a big difference |
| 01:30.12 | Dewin | Mikk: wowhead update broke halfway through and then gave me an error message on every single item until I did end process |
| 01:30.25 | Shirik | In particular, we have two priests in my guild, both holy, but we are geared wildly differnetly |
| 01:30.27 | Mikk | Yeah.. don't update at all :> |
| 01:30.30 | Dagmar | There needs to be a way to throttle it's updating |
| 01:30.33 | Shirik | I am high on spirit while the other is high on haste |
| 01:30.39 | Shirik | er, sorry, I am high on crit while the other is high on haste |
| 01:30.50 | Shirik | I would argue if we switched gear, BOTH of us would go down in stats |
| 01:30.50 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure the WoWhead people have something in their site that's rejecting people after say, 10 freaking thousand queries in a row |
| 01:30.52 | Thunder_Child | i'm high on pcp |
| 01:30.57 | Shirik | and both of us do extremely well |
| 01:31.19 | Dewin | Dagmar: The funny thing is I was able to access wowhead normally while rawr was (failing to) update |
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| 01:31.30 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Much is thusly explained. |
| 01:31.31 | Dewin | that was my first guess as to why it broke, so I was trying to test it. |
| 01:31.49 | Codayus | If you are performing the same raid role, then one of you is geared wrong. You might be right about performance, but that's a player skill issue. It doesn't invalidate the math; crit and haste are not interchangable, even if the difference may be small enough that you're happy to ignore it. |
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| 01:32.19 | Dewin | One stat might be more useful to a slightly different variant of playing style than it would otherwise be. |
| 01:32.29 | Thunder_Child | really Lunessa? does pcp = asshole? |
| 01:32.33 | Dagmar | Codayus: Well, I'll go so far as to say that it's good for evaluating gear, but letting it tell you *whaT* to do is a big effing mistake |
| 01:32.41 | Lunessa | pcp = nucking futs. |
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| 01:33.04 | Thunder_Child | i didnt think i was quite pcp fucking nuts...maybe just shrooms fucking nuts |
| 01:33.12 | Lunessa | lol |
| 01:33.18 | Codayus | Dagmar: Rawr? Agreed; it's not designed to figure out spell rotations. |
| 01:33.27 | Dewin | some people don't need a prefix before 'fucking nuts', they just are. |
| 01:34.07 | Thunder_Child | it defines the level of fucking nuts |
| 01:34.46 | Thunder_Child | not all people are created as equal nuts |
| 01:35.20 | Dewin | yeah, some are a few pecans short of a pecan pie. |
| 01:35.22 | Dewin | mmmm pecan pie |
| 01:35.29 | Dagmar | Codayus: I was somewhat of the impression that the user was supposed to put those into place, and it would do the math from there |
| 01:35.53 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i need more money, leveling up 2xTailoring and 1xEnch is expensive |
| 01:36.10 | Dagmar | Sell the good stuff |
| 01:36.19 | Thunder_Child | what good stuff? |
| 01:36.25 | Dagmar | Like the Wintry hats and the dark farkweave or whatever it is |
| 01:36.26 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I used to be nuts, but I got a promotion. Now I'm condiments. |
| 01:37.00 | Dagmar | There's player-made stuff that just about *everyone* should get before they start doing heroics or Naxx |
| 01:37.19 | Dagmar | The Hat of Wintry Doom being one, the dark whateveritwas bracers and pants being another for locks/mages |
| 01:37.28 | Mikk | duskweave |
| 01:37.32 | Dagmar | Danke |
| 01:37.34 | Dewin | Ebonweave IIRC |
| 01:37.42 | Dagmar | Yeah the Ebonweave robe is another |
| 01:37.46 | Dewin | and gloves |
| 01:37.50 | Dewin | Engineers won't want the hat though |
| 01:38.15 | Dagmar | Some come out to be best in slot for reasons I just can't fathom |
| 01:38.22 | Shirik | Codayus: I respectfully disagree |
| 01:38.25 | Shirik | Neither of us is geared wrong. |
| 01:38.28 | Dagmar | Kinda takes the fun out of it, but at least I've not seen a class with more than one crafted best-in-slot |
| 01:38.34 | Shirik | We are geared differently. |
| 01:38.48 | Dagmar | Yeah but one of you is probably less likely to get "suprise aggro" |
| 01:38.52 | Mikk | Shirik: Healing is a very different story |
| 01:38.54 | Shirik | I have a strong distaste towards people whom feel there is a "You must do it this way or you are wrong. Period." attitude |
| 01:39.04 | Dagmar | I don't think my nerves could take survivalist crit rates |
| 01:39.10 | Mikk | Healing requires brains and reactions and strategy |
| 01:39.20 | Thunder_Child | ok, rawr fails |
| 01:39.27 | Mikk | DPS just requires simple math applied to optimize gear and then hammer the right keys in the right sequence |
| 01:39.48 | Dagmar | Simple math? |
| 01:39.50 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 01:39.56 | Mikk | Well... erm |
| 01:40.13 | Dagmar | I wouond't call it "simple" unless I worked at Fermilab |
| 01:40.16 | Mikk | It's simple one stat at a time. Then you want a computer to do it to umpteen pieces in combination =) |
| 01:40.24 | Dagmar | It's _really_ annoying math tho, that's for sure |
| 01:40.39 | Dewin | Mikk: That's not... entirely... true |
| 01:40.52 | Mikk | I'm talking about Shirik's example here.. One priest gears for crit, one gear for haste. They both work out well. |
| 01:40.53 | Dewin | especially at entry-level raiding, there are times where a DPS hit is worth an increase to survivability |
| 01:41.01 | Dewin | especially for, say, a mage |
| 01:41.04 | Mikk | But you can't really go "I like crit so I'll get that" for a dps caster, because then you autofail |
| 01:41.38 | Dagmar | Yeah my GF was pretty grumpy about watching her crit rate fall through the floor |
| 01:41.40 | Mikk | Your choice of stats is entirely dictated by a fairly strict mathematical formula |
| 01:41.50 | Dagmar | ...but she got over it when the dummy showed a 300 DPS increase |
| 01:42.22 | Mikk | Hit>spelldamage>(haste/crit depending on class) ... tadaa.. |
| 01:42.40 | Dagmar | There's big chunks in the list of gear where you can't get away with shuffling one stat to another without a notable DPS loss |
| 01:42.48 | Dagmar | The pre-Naxx phase of gearing especially |
| 01:43.15 | Mikk | And here's where rawr really excels - it'll find good combinations of gear that gets you to hitcap, and then picks the best of the rest available |
| 01:43.24 | Dagmar | Like, you can just about ignore +hit in favor of attack power at that point just because you can get so ludicrously much attack power for the same effort as what it would take to get the +hit gear |
| 01:43.27 | Dewin | Mikk: There's a point where hit isn't neccessarily better, even if it's not capped yet. |
| 01:43.35 | Mikk | Dewin: Not for a dps caster |
| 01:43.44 | Mikk | For some other classes, yes |
| 01:43.47 | Dagmar | Mikk: I tell it to seleect from a span ranging from about 150 to 262 |
| 01:43.54 | Dewin | Missing 1% of the time but doing 10% more damage the other 99% of the time is still going to increase your overall damage. |
| 01:44.11 | Dagmar | Casters have a much bigger base miss rate |
| 01:44.15 | Dagmar | I had no idea until last week |
| 01:44.26 | Mikk | Er yes it's 17% against +3 |
| 01:44.29 | Mikk | That's fairly well known |
| 01:44.34 | Dagmar | I was like "how the hell is it rational to have 352 hit rating as a caster?" |
| 01:44.40 | Dewin | What I'm talking to is for when you're close to the hit cap |
| 01:44.43 | Mikk | Melee is 8% or 8.2% depending on who to trust |
| 01:44.44 | Dewin | not saying skip hit rating altogether |
| 01:44.44 | Dagmar | Mikk: Well known for casters |
| 01:45.57 | Dagmar | I hadn't played a caster since beta |
| 01:46.15 | Mikk | Simple stat point wise, hit is > spelldamage. BUT given a finite set of gear, your optimal gear set may indeed be un-capped. |
| 01:46.33 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:46.38 | Dagmar | That's where rawr comes in handy |
| 01:46.54 | Dewin | There's also the 'convenience' factor |
| 01:47.10 | Dewin | I gear for 4% bonus hit (3% from talents, 1% assuming I'll have a draenei in my party) |
| 01:47.36 | Mikk | You don't assume shadowpriest/imp FF? |
| 01:47.37 | Dagmar | I used it to put together two sets of gear based on what I already had. One for bosses and one for PvE. The numbers were off, but the proportional damage between the two was within 3% of projected using the test dummies |
| 01:47.39 | Dewin | if I end up raiding with a shadow priest though, and I was hitcapped for that 4%, there'd itemization wasted on 3% hit rating that would be putting me overcap. |
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| 01:47.56 | Thunder_Child | wrar fails because it crashes on me then tells me to copy/patse the error info....WHICH ISNT COPY PATESABLE |
| 01:47.59 | Thunder_Child | rawr* |
| 01:48.10 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Dude, go to windowsupdate.microsoft.com |
| 01:48.17 | Dewin | Mikk: Our last 10-man had neither, and I was at ~300 hit rating. I missed maybe 1 spell per boss, maybe 2. |
| 01:48.28 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, i am fully updated ty though |
| 01:48.37 | Dagmar | It crashes LOTS until you have the service pack for .NET which Windows automatic updates won't bother to offer you oon it's own |
| 01:48.39 | Dewin | (the wiki chart says I need 342 to be capped with 4% bonus) |
| 01:48.42 | Mikk | True, in 10mans you can't really count on it |
| 01:49.01 | Mikk | I'm a bit used to 25man think |
| 01:49.09 | Dewin | our guild is actually light on shadow priests and boomkin, so we don't always have it in 25 man either |
| 01:49.16 | Dagmar | I thought my system was fully updated at first and that Rawr was the buggies piece of @#$#@ I'd ever seen |
| 01:49.29 | Dagmar | Yay for Microsoft deciding some service packs are optional |
| 01:49.46 | sacarasc | Dewin: We have that problem. Got in a new boomkin today though so things are looking up. |
| 01:49.52 | Mikk | Anyway... bed |
| 01:50.03 | Dewin | though I suppose it'd make more sense for me to assume 7% and just use food based on the situation. |
| 01:50.20 | Lukian | Mikk, eh? windows update offers the service pack for .net 2.0 and 3.5 to me |
| 01:50.57 | Dewin | Lukian: The automatic updates don't offer all the updates that are on windowsupdate itself |
| 01:51.09 | Lukian | Dewin, yeah auto updates |
| 01:51.28 | Lukian | so you need additional updates on top of the auto update ones? XD |
| 01:51.57 | Dagmar | Yep. Lovely, ain't it? |
| 01:51.57 | Dagmar | Just a wee bit pissed I was |
| 01:52.19 | Dagmar | I'd spent a couple of hours trying to NOT do the several hundred things that seemed to make Rawr crash |
| 01:52.30 | Dewin | auto updates are only security updates IIRC |
| 01:52.30 | Lunessa | WoW-Heros is actually sort of helpful for me. It shows me where I can point stuff out for improvement - I think I'm going to start using it as a guild leader to help get people moving along. |
| 01:53.14 | Dagmar | ...then I saw a ticket in Codeplex from someone who had it crashign all the time and one of the devs told them to get the service pack from the website... I go there and sure enough, there's updates to .NET that the automatic updater doesn't consider important enough to bother with |
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| 01:54.03 | Shirik | kd3: halp me |
| 01:54.09 | Shirik | find out why my sound doesn't work :( |
| 01:54.16 | Shirik | The only time I ever hear sound is when I hit the "shutdown" button |
| 01:54.21 | Shirik | which is, quite obviously, pointless |
| 01:54.30 | Thunder_Child | but amusing |
| 01:54.35 | Dagmar | Winamp doesn't make noise? |
| 01:54.57 | Shirik | I'm not sure I have winamp here |
| 01:55.01 | Shirik | wait |
| 01:55.03 | Shirik | why would I have winamp |
| 01:55.08 | Shirik | WIN amp |
| 01:55.19 | Dagmar | You're using a Max? |
| 01:55.21 | Dagmar | er Mac? |
| 01:55.23 | Shirik | no I'm using a Linux |
| 01:56.00 | Dagmar | Oh! Assuming you checked the mixer levels with alsamixer, run `speaker-test -c 2 -t wav` and see if it sez anything |
| 01:56.17 | Shirik | woah wtf is that |
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| 01:56.27 | Dagmar | It's ALSA's utility for testing your speakers. |
| 01:56.32 | Shirik | "dpkg was interrupted. You must run dpkg --configure -a to correct this problem" |
| 01:56.36 | Shirik | When I was trying to install something |
| 01:56.39 | Dagmar | A chick's voice will say "Left speaker... right speaker..." |
| 01:56.49 | Dagmar | Ah well, do what it says then |
| 01:57.02 | Shirik | what is dpkg though :/ |
| 01:57.02 | Dagmar | Hopefully it'll be able to untangle your package inventory |
| 01:57.09 | Dagmar | Debian's package management tool |
| 01:57.18 | Shirik | ah |
| 01:57.21 | Shirik | I come from gentoo world :P |
| 01:58.08 | Shirik | and yes, in alsamixer, everything is turned up to hell |
| 01:58.11 | Dagmar | Well, Debian uses an actual package manager. |
| 01:58.22 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, i have .NET 3.5 SP1, whats higher than that? |
| 01:58.23 | Shirik | if it could actually make a sound right now, I'm fairly certain I'd nearly go death |
| 01:58.33 | Dagmar | So, if you interrupted it in mid-update, probably one package is borked and the database might not be in a sane state anymore |
| 01:58.55 | Shirik | oh I hear it Dagmar |
| 01:59.00 | Shirik | when running that test |
| 01:59.33 | Dagmar | OKay, so at least you know alsa is working |
| 01:59.41 | Dagmar | So... probably pulse or esd fell over |
| 01:59.50 | Dagmar | ...or |
| 02:00.18 | Dagmar | Heck there's too many things that could be fried actually. Better to let dpkg do it's "fix yerself" thing |
| 02:00.36 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 02:00.38 | Shirik | the other problem |
| 02:00.40 | Shirik | FUCK ADOBE |
| 02:00.42 | ajmitch | these days, most likely pulseaudio |
| 02:00.51 | Shirik | How can there be no 64 bit linux flash |
| 02:00.57 | Dagmar | Very easily |
| 02:01.02 | ajmitch | there is now, I believe |
| 02:01.12 | ajmitch | or you can endure nspluginwrapper |
| 02:01.20 | Dagmar | Adobe won't pick a programmer and say "You're in charge of the 64-bit build" because they've got a maddening test harness in place |
| 02:01.45 | Shirik | and no according to adobe's site there isn't ajmitch |
| 02:01.55 | Shirik | and package manager won't let me install it due to "wrong architecture |
| 02:02.09 | Dagmar | Yeah because it would go blooie and take the browser with it |
| 02:02.12 | ajmitch | most likely only a beta version |
| 02:02.30 | ajmitch | but http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ mentions the 64-bit version |
| 02:02.38 | Thunder_Child | ya Dagmar, i'm maxed out on .NET |
| 02:03.07 | Dagmar | Ah well, blame Microsoft then for that insane error dialog |
| 02:03.22 | Shirik | ah I see now ajmitch |
| 02:03.22 | Dagmar | Frankly I think they invented C# just to make open-source people waste their time writing a better version |
| 02:03.53 | ajmitch | and I was sure that flashplugin-nonfree would setup everything with nspluginwrapper to run that 32-bit plugin |
| 02:04.06 | Shirik | it's... just an so |
| 02:05.23 | ajmitch | all these little problems are why I run vent on a separate laptop when running wow in wine |
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| 02:10.13 | Shirik | apparently my sound has worked all the time |
| 02:10.18 | Shirik | I just... haven't had sound playing |
| 02:10.25 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 02:10.32 | Shirik | wow. |
| 02:10.35 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail Shirik |
| 02:10.36 | purl | Shirik, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Shirik, you are that epic failure. |
| 02:10.47 | Shirik | yes yes I know |
| 02:10.57 | Dagmar | I started to say "Because linux doesn't make any little tinkly noises for the kiddies" but figured you had enough snark already |
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| 02:12.42 | Shirik | I want tinkly noises |
| 02:12.54 | Shirik | now I need to figure out how to get pandora running |
| 02:14.07 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:14.15 | Shirik | I love Konversation's description of the modes in this channel |
| 02:14.24 | Shirik | It understands all of them except one, so it sounds like it turned into a gangster |
| 02:14.38 | Shirik | "no messages from outside, no colors allowed, g" |
| 02:14.47 | mikma | shirik: dig up your magic ball and tell me: |
| 02:15.08 | mikma | shirik: why is the end fight scene cut in all releases of lethal weapon? |
| 02:15.17 | Shirik | I never watched lethal weapon |
| 02:15.29 | mikma | even these new cool directors cuts have it cut.. fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! |
| 02:16.06 | mikma | then you must watch it, it and die hard started the whole cool actionscene-times! |
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| 02:24.36 | Thunder_Child | figures, rawr is crashing because of my font |
| 02:24.41 | Thunder_Child | F A I L |
| 02:25.05 | kd3 | point and laugh at rawr on ej. that's a pretty fail way to crash |
| 02:25.29 | Thunder_Child | elitest-jerks? |
| 02:25.44 | kd3 | ya. it got written by a member there |
| 02:30.39 | Shirik | Dagmar: Is there any suggestion you have for turning the volume up higher? It's certainly quieter than Windows can get it. But I have the volume controls turned up to max as far as I can tell |
| 02:31.14 | Dagmar | Knobs? |
| 02:31.14 | Dagmar | ...and you turned up the level on the PCM output? |
| 02:31.14 | Shirik | nm I missed a setting |
| 02:31.14 | Shirik | "Front" |
| 02:31.15 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:31.23 | kd3 | ya. gotta bring up both front and pcm |
| 02:31.31 | Dagmar | Yeah, alsa labeling is a bit weird... and entirely wrong on some Intel-HDA chipsets |
| 02:31.34 | Shirik | much better now |
| 02:31.55 | Shirik | this song is already quiet as it is, made it kinda difficult :P |
| 02:32.35 | Dagmar | Yeah I long ago scribbled a custom init script that just sets all the volume levels to 85% before alsactl restore is run |
| 02:35.44 | Shirik | wow |
| 02:35.57 | Shirik | it even recognizes my keyboard's play/stop/next/prev buttons |
| 02:36.05 | Shirik | linux autoconfig has gotten a lot better recently |
| 02:36.05 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 02:36.12 | Dagmar | Well, that's X doing that bit |
| 02:36.25 | Dagmar | ...and a lack of insane "specialty" keyboards. |
| 02:36.36 | Dagmar | Pre-2000 multimedia keys on keyboards didn't tend to adhere to ANY spec |
| 02:37.02 | Dagmar | Now some things ahve been sorted and most of the keyboards all give the same codes for their various buttons |
| 02:37.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Hasbro (i=Mum@ool-457fa483.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:37.22 | Dagmar | ...so X can have sane keysyms for them which desktop environments and window managers can hook until you press them |
| 02:38.05 | Shirik | now if only the windows button would open the kde start menu |
| 02:38.21 | Lunessa | You can set that too. |
| 02:38.33 | Shirik | but it wasn't automagical! |
| 02:38.37 | Dagmar | I *suspect* perhaps the KDE people would rather you use a screwdriver to just pop that key right off the keyboard |
| 02:38.42 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:38.50 | Dagmar | I know I wouldn't willingly code that |
| 02:39.02 | Dagmar | I'd stick with the strict interpretation that that's a meta key |
| 02:39.16 | Dagmar | ...maybe stick my fingers in my ears and hum a little when people ask about it |
| 02:39.48 | Lunessa | Well, when someone introduces the "BJ" key to the keyboard layout, and it becomes accepted by Windows ... I bet Linux developers will sure as hell code in support. :P |
| 02:40.01 | Shirik | BJ? |
| 02:40.19 | Lunessa | Shirik: - Are you seriously that innocent? |
| 02:40.26 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:40.33 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno if I'd trust an early-generation Linux BJ driver, personally |
| 02:41.00 | Lunessa | As long as "Teeth=OFF" is in the config settings... |
| 02:41.27 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/Desktop$ ls |
| 02:41.29 | Shirik | AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 02:41.40 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/Desktop$ ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 02:41.41 | Shirik | bash: ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin: No such file or directory |
| 02:41.43 | Shirik | .................. |
| 02:42.07 | Shirik | I think I've lost all my linux knowledge from a year ago :( |
| 02:43.30 | Dagmar | `ldd filename | grep -i "not found"` |
| 02:43.46 | Dagmar | Basically, you're missing a lib that it's linked to |
| 02:43.54 | Dagmar | That'll tell us which one it is |
| 02:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: chmod a+x |
| 02:44.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I'm not that stupid |
| 02:44.16 | Shirik | it's 775 |
| 02:44.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: or, sh AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
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| 02:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: or, `sh AdobeAIRInstaller.bin` |
| 02:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ rather |
| 02:44.28 | Dagmar | only if it's a shell script |
| 02:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of those provided .bin files are |
| 02:44.55 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/Desktop$ file ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 02:44.56 | Shirik | ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 02:44.58 | Shirik | It's definitely an ELF file |
| 02:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | good stuff |
| 02:45.09 | Dagmar | So what's it linked to |
| 02:45.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And in other news, I'll have an i7 before the week is out =] |
| 02:45.15 | Dagmar | er linked to that's missing |
| 02:45.29 | Shirik | maybe I should go to sleep |
| 02:45.31 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/Desktop$ file ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 02:45.32 | Shirik | ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 02:45.34 | Shirik | er |
| 02:45.35 | Shirik | wrong copy |
| 02:45.37 | Shirik | ldd: ./filename: No such file or directory |
| 02:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | or |
| 02:45.43 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 02:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me SSH |
| 02:46.05 | Shirik | nice! |
| 02:46.07 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/Desktop$ ldd ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 02:46.08 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.11 | Dagmar | By "filename" I meant AdobeAIRinstaller.bin |
| 02:46.15 | Shirik | yeah I know Dagmar |
| 02:46.17 | Dagmar | wtf |
| 02:46.20 | Shirik | hence the "maybe I should go to sleep" |
| 02:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | statically linked |
| 02:46.57 | Dagmar | No, it's dynamically linked. |
| 02:47.01 | Dagmar | It must be calling something else |
| 02:47.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ldd says otherwise! |
| 02:47.48 | Dagmar | Oh! |
| 02:47.51 | Dagmar | Are you running it as root |
| 02:48.17 | Shirik | sudo: unable to execute ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin: No such file or directory |
| 02:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik... |
| 02:48.41 | Dagmar | That's so evilly knackered it's not even funny |
| 02:48.44 | Dagmar | Still, http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb408084&sliceId=1 may help |
| 02:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Humor me |
| 02:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | $ sha1sum AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 02:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | a2599920978376e5107c24e8d2f003975795b805 AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 02:49.01 | Shirik | match |
| 02:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | weird |
| 02:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Because my ldd reports multiple libs linked into it |
| 02:49.16 | Dagmar | Like, way down at the bottom it mentions something that might be necessary |
| 02:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | libc, libm, pthread |
| 02:49.29 | Shirik | kd3 wins I think |
| 02:49.32 | Shirik | or, Dagmar |
| 02:49.33 | Shirik | wow |
| 02:49.36 | Shirik | I really fail tonight |
| 02:49.43 | Dagmar | Specifically the bit about setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 02:49.44 | Shirik | that URL looks like it might have some important info |
| 02:50.08 | Dagmar | but basically, it's a troubleshooting page for when you're missing things the installer needs |
| 02:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: 64-bit distro? |
| 02:50.56 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Yep |
| 02:51.02 | Dagmar | "Install Adobe AIR Linux 1.5 on 64-bit Linux distributions" |
| 02:51.11 | Dagmar | So, probably a good starting point |
| 02:51.23 | Shirik | I'm running the "getlibs" command now |
| 02:51.29 | Shirik | it's installing 120MB of stuff so |
| 02:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | What distro? |
| 02:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (And don't make me hurt you) |
| 02:51.36 | Shirik | Kubuntu 64 |
| 02:51.53 | Shirik | what :( |
| 02:51.57 | Shirik | I like KDE |
| 02:52.03 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: I just sort of try not to think about it |
| 02:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That is the only reason I didn't outright stab you |
| 02:52.09 | Thunder_Child | kde > gnome |
| 02:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | KDE. |
| 02:52.11 | Thunder_Child | or whatever |
| 02:52.14 | Shirik | Even you are using Ubuntu! |
| 02:52.16 | Shirik | what do you want! |
| 02:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Um. |
| 02:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 02:52.22 | Shirik | You said you were! |
| 02:52.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ................... |
| 02:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:52 < ScytheBlade1> No. |
| 02:52.36 | Shirik | Yes you did |
| 02:52.36 | Dagmar | There's nothing like taking a distribution designed to run GNOME and buggering it up with a Windows wannabe |
| 02:52.39 | Dagmar | :) |
| 02:52.43 | Shirik | Well |
| 02:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: winnar |
| 02:52.46 | Shirik | aren't you happy I'm not on gentoo? |
| 02:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Darmar++ |
| 02:52.49 | Shirik | I could switch back |
| 02:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 02:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Dagmar++ |
| 02:53.03 | Shirik | purl doesn't respond to karma updates anymore |
| 02:53.06 | Shirik | ~karma Dagmar |
| 02:53.06 | purl | dagmar has karma of 1 |
| 02:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Dagmar++ |
| 02:53.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma Dagmar |
| 02:53.20 | purl | dagmar has karma of 2 |
| 02:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | orly |
| 02:53.36 | Shirik | I mean there's no response |
| 02:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So far in the last 60 seconds you're 0/2 |
| 02:53.43 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:53.45 | Shirik | ............ |
| 02:53.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, the first time I did a typo |
| 02:53.49 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15671117109&sid=1&pageNo=1#12 |
| 02:53.50 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:53.55 | Shirik | I didn't see the typo |
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| 02:54.11 | Thunder_Child | darmar.....fail |
| 02:54.16 | bleeter | damnit gunna have to repost for Iriel |
| 02:54.18 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15671117109&sid=1&pageNo=1#12 |
| 02:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That thread should be pleased I lack the ability to post on the forums |
| 02:55.33 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* EoE25 Fail attempt (6) |
| 02:55.35 | Iriel | bleeter: Yeah really, anyone who really cares keeps their porn on an external drive anyway |
| 02:55.56 | bleeter | gotta say though, this post is win of the month... maybe the year |
| 02:56.00 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443451830&sid=1#8 |
| 02:56.13 | Dagmar | Holy crap break out the tinfoil hats! |
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| 02:56.31 | Dagmar | So many people shooting their mouths off without knowing a damn thing |
| 02:56.42 | WobWork | I love it when people are trying to be serious |
| 02:56.46 | WobWork | yet still spell it pron |
| 02:56.52 | bleeter | WobWork: shitstorm |
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| 03:02.49 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Name a distro to use |
| 03:02.52 | Shirik | Red hat lol? |
| 03:03.24 | MentalPower | Centos IMO |
| 03:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Fedora for the desktop |
| 03:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Or debian |
| 03:03.56 | Lunessa | You know - I was considering a Kindle - but this - this just slew that idea: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 03:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cent is amazing I won't lie |
| 03:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | But I like a desktop but is even remotely up to date in the long haul |
| 03:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: indeed. Book. Compatible with existing shelves! |
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| 03:04.56 | bleeter | if I had the time I'd go centos with a freed-ora kernel |
| 03:05.11 | Iriel | I can't get past the small screen and the massive bezel/keyboard |
| 03:05.52 | kd3 | yay for a covert princess bride reference |
| 03:05.56 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15671117109&postId=156116996983&sid=1#55 |
| 03:06.05 | bleeter | ~impressiveclergyman |
| 03:06.06 | purl | Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv. |
| 03:06.16 | Lunessa | I went to Watchmen - the midnight release showing, and they herded us into seats over an hour early. And there wasn't enough light for me to read a book. Which made me think a Kidle would be ideal.. but now, not so much. |
| 03:06.33 | Iriel | The kindle isn't backlit |
| 03:06.34 | Iriel | it's eInk |
| 03:06.38 | Iriel | so you couldn't read it either |
| 03:07.00 | Tekkub | I still want to call the thing Kindling |
| 03:07.34 | Tekkub | and yea, Kindling hath no light unless you burn it |
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| 03:07.38 | Lunessa | Well, then all I have to say is... WORTHLESS! |
| 03:08.06 | bleeter | kd3: btw noob csf gm trainee |
| 03:08.14 | Lunessa | I'll stick with Book. It's backwards compatible! |
| 03:08.28 | bleeter | kd3: so I'm.. being.. generous.. in bumping ... select... threads |
| 03:08.31 | Tekkub | you see today's PA? |
| 03:08.44 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:08.48 | Tekkub | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 03:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: read up... 5 minutes ago |
| 03:09.22 | Tekkub | bah I was at the store, fuck scrolling |
| 03:10.34 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* EoE25 Fail attempt (7) |
| 03:11.04 | Tekkub | you using your thunder twin powers? |
| 03:11.16 | Thunder_Child | no, only one of me |
| 03:11.23 | Tekkub | there's your problem |
| 03:12.03 | Thunder_Child | you couldnt handle 2 of me |
| 03:12.39 | Lunessa | LOL - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15671117109&sid=1&pageNo=1#12 |
| 03:13.58 | Thunder_Child | only maly pahse 3, does the debuff duration get overwritten or does it stay the same. EG. if you do 111112 then 112 does it still have the extended duration or not? |
| 03:14.39 | Dagmar | shucks. I think they killed the tinfoil hat thread |
| 03:14.48 | Thunder_Child | s/only/on/ |
| 03:15.50 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, sure I could, I got two ends here |
| 03:16.53 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/84885716 |
| 03:18.13 | Tekkub | g-g is sadly disturbing |
| 03:18.44 | kd3 | sadly? |
| 03:18.50 | Tekkub | yes |
| 03:19.19 | Dagmar | I worry more about those people in the CS forum who are convinced the Warden is out to steal their seekrits |
| 03:19.29 | Adys | BUT IT IS |
| 03:19.39 | Dagmar | At least in G-G Arbuckle isn't having voices tell him to burn things |
| 03:19.43 | bleeter | it stole adys's secrets |
| 03:19.49 | kd3 | meh, they're actually wearing tinfoil hats and it's driving them paranoid |
| 03:19.50 | bleeter | like his name... adys |
| 03:19.57 | Adys | it's "adys'" |
| 03:19.59 | kd3 | it's just something I laugh at at this point |
| 03:20.01 | bleeter | wouldnt have known that w/o warden |
| 03:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: got a better one. http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/81692788 |
| 03:20.11 | bleeter | cuz he wouldnt be here! :P |
| 03:20.21 | Tekkub | when you learn that there's really no secret worth keeping from the gov't and Blizzard, privacy insanity suddley looks like g-g |
| 03:20.22 | Adys | i already linked it ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:20.38 | Dagmar | Like, how much mercury does it take to decide that a company with access to twelve million bank accounts is actually a giant conspiracy to steal people's IM contacts? |
| 03:20.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: that specific one? /lastlog is failing me |
| 03:20.55 | Adys | Tekkub: what about my juicy illegal porn with cracked DRM |
| 03:21.04 | Tekkub | what about it? |
| 03:21.07 | Dagmar | There's porn with DRM? |
| 03:21.11 | Adys | prolly |
| 03:21.15 | Tekkub | everyone on the internet steals porn and music |
| 03:21.24 | Dagmar | I dunno about that |
| 03:21.33 | Tekkub | actually few of the porn dvds I played with had encryption even |
| 03:21.42 | Adys | played with? |
| 03:21.42 | Dagmar | According to some of what the RIAA says, I'm apparently stealing my own stuff several times a month |
| 03:21.48 | kd3 | wha, more than css? |
| 03:21.52 | Adys | nevermind, I dont wanna know |
| 03:22.08 | Tekkub | you know, ripping and reencoding :P |
| 03:22.14 | Dagmar | Nothing motivates young hackers like new porno |
| 03:22.18 | Lunessa | Wait, Porn with DRM - Why bother? |
| 03:22.22 | Tekkub | back before I had a great source or porn torrents |
| 03:22.27 | Dagmar | You can bet any such DRM-protected porno would be some of the first stuff to be cracked |
| 03:22.46 | Tekkub | Lunessa, exactly, they don't even want to pay for the encryption |
| 03:22.55 | bleeter | VoIP was initially driven by pron if not in theory at least in practice (had the $$ to invest) |
| 03:23.06 | Dagmar | Tekkub: Well, there's also that the porn industry is a bit more pragmatic about such things |
| 03:23.16 | bleeter | CUSeeMe stuffs |
| 03:23.25 | Lunessa | I know, hell, it took them forever to use REAL MPEG encoding 'cause they didn't want to pay the license. |
| 03:23.37 | Dagmar | They know putting DRM in there isn't going to stop people cloning it for more than an hour or two |
| 03:23.37 | Adys | bleeter: the original VOIP acronym is "Vocal orgasmic internet porn" |
| 03:23.44 | Tekkub | I never got webcams |
| 03:23.59 | Adys | \o/ |
| 03:24.11 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Some folks are visual. |
| 03:24.25 | Dagmar | So, for the money they would spend to protect it for an hour or two, they could hire more hookers |
| 03:24.37 | Tekkub | Tactile > visual > ... who care about audible |
| 03:24.38 | Dagmar | Lunessa: This is why Ekiga supports webcams |
| 03:24.39 | Tekkub | at least for me |
| 03:24.50 | Dagmar | ...and probably why Yahoo and MSN both support them as well |
| 03:24.52 | Lunessa | Ekiga? |
| 03:25.02 | Dagmar | Lunessa: It's the free VOIP client for Linux |
| 03:25.04 | Tekkub | I watch my porn muted, the bad fake voices just ruin it |
| 03:25.07 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 03:25.07 | Dagmar | It uses SIP and everything |
| 03:25.13 | Dagmar | I've used it all of twice. |
| 03:25.31 | Dagmar | The first time I set it up and flagged myself as publicly available for chat, about 20 minutes later I got a ring. |
| 03:25.35 | Dagmar | Guess what it was for |
| 03:25.40 | bleeter | pron |
| 03:25.43 | Dagmar | For some kid in Germany to *moon* me |
| 03:25.49 | bleeter | same diff |
| 03:25.58 | Dagmar | I should ahve seen that one coming |
| 03:25.58 | Tekkub | that sounds like this picture trade thing on Trey's iPhone |
| 03:26.08 | Lunessa | Believe it or not, at AOL we worried a lot about what people would get up to with web cams - our experience with chat, usenet and e-mail convinced us that porn would be the primary use. |
| 03:26.14 | Tekkub | "just keep taking pics of your feet and eventually you'll get a cock shot |
| 03:26.18 | Tekkub | and it's true! |
| 03:26.29 | Dagmar | LOL |
| 03:26.41 | kd3 | heh. I miss usenet |
| 03:26.48 | Dagmar | It's still there. |
| 03:27.00 | kd3 | my isp doesn't seem to think so |
| 03:27.08 | MentalPower | Lunessa: I'm guessing the reality did not disappoint :) |
| 03:27.16 | bleeter | when we got first success on a line with Y! whiteboard happening on pidgin, first thing I drew was a spurting penis |
| 03:27.17 | Dagmar | It's just devolved into almost entirely porn and piracy without the caring, guiding hand of fine people like S.P.U.T.U.M |
| 03:27.19 | Tekkub | I need to find that post about usenet being a cheap dirty hooker |
| 03:27.26 | bleeter | to 'test the most common usage of IM whiteboards' |
| 03:27.26 | Lunessa | We had a bug once were file offsets for attachments got mis-indexed. Which meant you got a random file instead of what you were supposed to get. 90% were --- PORN. |
| 03:27.27 | Adys | MentalPower: depends what you mean by "disappoint" |
| 03:27.39 | Tekkub | and how the RIAA should learn that we're going to go to hookers, so they could at least be a classy one |
| 03:27.41 | Adys | I got a lot of hot sexy FBI female agents that disappointed me with their webcam. |
| 03:28.14 | WobWork | what's the console command to increase zoom distance? |
| 03:28.38 | Adys | cameradistancemax |
| 03:28.53 | WobWork | so /console set cameradistancemax 15 or something? |
| 03:29.24 | bleeter | WobWork: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=cameradistancemax |
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| 03:29.28 | bleeter | first two hits |
| 03:29.52 | Adys | also rofl at pa |
| 03:29.58 | Arrowmaster | no first hit |
| 03:30.02 | Arrowmaster | the 2nd one does not work |
| 03:30.17 | WobWork | hm |
| 03:30.22 | Arrowmaster | its /console cameraDistanceMax 25 |
| 03:30.24 | Adys | Arrowmaster: does here |
| 03:30.26 | Adys | oh |
| 03:30.31 | Adys | thought you meant 404 |
| 03:30.33 | Tekkub | AH I found it! |
| 03:30.34 | Tekkub | http://elan.plexapp.com/2009/02/14/a-valentines-day-card-to-the-media-companies/ |
| 03:30.35 | WobWork | what's the default? |
| 03:30.39 | Tekkub | good read |
| 03:30.40 | Arrowmaster | 15 |
| 03:30.47 | WobWork | ta |
| 03:30.49 | Arrowmaster | dont set it above 25 |
| 03:31.09 | Dewin | why not? |
| 03:31.19 | Tekkub | "You have to stop being scared that I’m going to steal your content, because I’m already stealing your content" |
| 03:31.20 | Arrowmaster | because then you go over the limit and it will get reset |
| 03:31.46 | Arrowmaster | why do you think cameraDistaceMaxFactor resets every time somebody makes it higher than 2 than relogs |
| 03:32.39 | Lunessa | Night guys. |
| 03:32.47 | bleeter | gnuight Lukian |
| 03:32.50 | Adys | so |
| 03:33.07 | Adys | did anyone end up making this advanced video panel thingie? |
| 03:33.11 | Dagmar | "You rip a hole in the fabric of reality" is also a good answer |
| 03:33.29 | Dagmar | Now if we can just convince the guys at the LHC so easily |
| 03:33.40 | Adys | Dagmar: so catchy |
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| 03:34.48 | MentalPower | Adys: of what do you speak? |
| 03:34.56 | Adys | hm? |
| 03:35.17 | MentalPower | "[23:32:43]<Adys>did anyone end up making this advanced video panel thingie?" |
| 03:35.35 | Adys | was some discussion about making one |
| 03:35.41 | Dagmar | Actually I was talking about what happens when you set the camera distance greater than 25 |
| 03:42.45 | Adys | sigh |
| 03:42.52 | Adys | I need 1164 more inscription decks |
| 03:43.05 | Adys | about 5k gold if i get them all for 5g |
| 03:48.26 | Dagmar | There really only needs to be three settings for video |
| 03:48.47 | Dagmar | "Daddy bought my video card", "Medium", and "I like dying in raids" |
| 03:49.21 | Adys | I certainly wouldn't use a video card my dad bought |
| 03:49.32 | Dagmar | My dad knows to let me make those decisions |
| 03:49.46 | Dagmar | Plus, he thinks it's good practice for me to not strangle salesmen |
| 03:51.49 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* EoE25 Succed @ attempt (10) |
| 03:52.35 | Dagmar | First time through? |
| 03:53.40 | Dagmar | That one aint' easy by any means |
| 03:54.03 | Thunder_Child | first time and a pug |
| 03:54.36 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 03:54.52 | Shirik | A friend and I are writing a program which creates approximately 6 GB of data. we were happy it finally started generating the data and walked away |
| 03:55.00 | Shirik | I come back and realize.... I'm running the program off my USB drive |
| 03:55.04 | Shirik | and writing 6GB of data to that disk |
| 03:55.22 | Thunder_Child | mine is 8 |
| 03:55.30 | Adys | inches long? |
| 03:55.33 | Arrowmaster | i have an 8 and a 16 |
| 03:55.38 | Adys | weirdo |
| 03:55.49 | Arrowmaster | i only use the 8 because the school computers wont mount the 16 |
| 03:56.05 | Adys | .. fucked up |
| 03:56.09 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 03:56.21 | Arrowmaster | they see it but wont give it a drive letter |
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| 04:01.23 | MentalPower | I have a 1 and a 16 |
| 04:01.41 | MentalPower | I was worried the 16GB wouldn't boot, but it does! |
| 04:02.48 | Thunder_Child | is there a way to copy paste off of something that allows no selection? |
| 04:02.56 | Adys | depends off what |
| 04:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: it is in your RAM somewhere I'd bet |
| 04:03.12 | Thunder_Child | a window of unselectable text |
| 04:03.21 | Adys | on windows? |
| 04:03.24 | ScytheBlade1 | cat /dev/mem | grep "your text" |
| 04:03.28 | Thunder_Child | yes on windows |
| 04:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 04:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried! |
| 04:03.46 | Thunder_Child | well...that would have been handu |
| 04:03.50 | Thunder_Child | handy* |
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| 04:04.27 | Thunder_Child | the amusing part is that it says to copy paste the error |
| 04:04.36 | MentalPower | I believe that AutoIt! can do that, I'm not entirely sure tho |
| 04:06.12 | Adys | cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted |
| 04:06.12 | Adys | qq |
| 04:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | stolem shamelessly from a sig I found on the internet |
| 04:06.27 | MentalPower | sudo? |
| 04:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | bash-2.05b# cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama |
| 04:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Damn, my RAM is full of llamas! |
| 04:06.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *stolen |
| 04:06.54 | Adys | MentalPower: adys@azura:~$ sudo cat /dev/mem | grep foo |
| 04:06.54 | Adys | cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted |
| 04:07.03 | MentalPower | I rest my case |
| 04:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You can thank (blame) your distro |
| 04:10.54 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:11.19 | Adys | man |
| 04:11.29 | Adys | camping the darkmoon rare stuff vendor at night |
| 04:11.36 | Adys | I just made 300 gold in 5 mins |
| 04:11.54 | Adys | got like 5 artic furs too |
| 04:15.03 | Adys | and another \o/ |
| 04:19.49 | WobWork | Adys: what's that? |
| 04:19.58 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=14846 |
| 04:20.37 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:20.42 | WobWork | cheap fur |
| 04:21.01 | WobWork | so what sells well? Fur... |
| 04:21.10 | Adys | every single herb |
| 04:21.19 | WobWork | the gems |
| 04:21.25 | Adys | yeah not the BC ones |
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| 04:21.42 | WobWork | the crystallised elements |
| 04:21.47 | Adys | yep |
| 04:21.50 | Adys | but buy everything |
| 04:21.54 | Adys | it respawns faster |
| 04:22.02 | Adys | it seems theres a limit on how much stuff she can hold |
| 04:22.24 | Adys | bruiseweed sells for 90c piece at the npc and 4g each at the AH |
| 04:22.44 | WobWork | joking |
| 04:22.47 | WobWork | crazy |
| 04:23.02 | Adys | nop |
| 04:23.16 | Adys | and some herbs are at like 1-2 stacks at the AH |
| 04:23.23 | Adys | can buy and resell for 3 times the price without risk |
| 04:23.39 | AbsolutRayne | So like |
| 04:23.52 | AbsolutRayne | It seems like for some reason I cant stop disconnecting during 4 Horseman 25 man |
| 04:24.01 | kd3 | turn off your mods |
| 04:24.08 | Adys | turn off your comp |
| 04:24.12 | Adys | no more disconnects |
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| 04:25.08 | AbsolutRayne | kd3: Still happens |
| 04:26.45 | Shirik | okay |
| 04:26.45 | Shirik | friend and I just realized we're not generating 10GB of data |
| 04:26.48 | Shirik | we're generating 100GB of data |
| 04:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:26.52 | Shirik | >.> |
| 04:26.54 | kd3 | ow |
| 04:27.47 | Shirik | keep in mind this is data that needs to be present inside a car |
| 04:28.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Good job, you failure |
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| 04:28.58 | Tem | wow |
| 04:29.12 | Tem | <guildmate1> I'm thinking of taking up smithing on this toon. someone please talke me out of it |
| 04:29.18 | Tem | <guildmate2> smithing gives you aids |
| 04:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | jaja |
| 04:29.28 | Tem | <guildmate2> not american aids either |
| 04:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *haha |
| 04:29.36 | Tem | <guildmate2> african aids |
| 04:29.40 | Tem | <guildmate2> the kind you are born with |
| 04:30.00 | Adys | if you're born with it, how can it give you it? |
| 04:30.46 | Tem | don't thrust logic into this conversation |
| 04:31.25 | Tem | hahaha |
| 04:31.25 | Tem | the response is "getting smithing means you were a rape baby" |
| 04:31.25 | Tem | wow |
| 04:31.32 | Tem | another response "maybe it's maybeline" |
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| 04:32.58 | Adys | someone explain me why UnitClass returns a name.. |
| 04:33.08 | Adys | nm, for npcs only |
| 04:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | the flux capicator isn't aligned properly with the deflector dish |
| 04:38.06 | Adys | this is too good |
| 04:38.13 | Adys | everything's respawned by the time i auction it all |
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| 04:49.01 | Arrowmaster | use UnitClassBase() |
| 04:49.07 | Arrowmaster | !api unitclassbase |
| 04:49.07 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitClassBase' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClassBase |
| 04:53.24 | Shirik | I am a god |
| 04:53.39 | Shirik | just by moving things around ^_^ |
| 04:58.47 | WobWork | hehe: "Rocket Science: Making everything else look simple since 1958" |
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| 05:08.49 | WobWork | I'm surprised at the number of hunters that don't understand the mechanics of misdirect |
| 05:08.59 | WobWork | Especially on the first boss of Gundrak |
| 05:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ./waf install; ./waf uninstall |
| 05:09.23 | Adys | .. but gundrak has no first boss |
| 05:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ well that was useless |
| 05:10.01 | WobWork | Adys: Snake boss, then |
| 05:10.23 | WobWork | I dunno, Rhino boss isn't considered a first boss |
| 05:10.35 | WobWork | cause it's easier to get to Eck if you go the other way |
| 05:10.46 | WobWork | Or rather |
| 05:10.56 | WobWork | easier to do the other bosses, then rhino, then eck |
| 05:11.03 | WobWork | then hop the balcony to get to final boss |
| 05:11.26 | WobWork | but in any case, snake boss is what I'm referring to |
| 05:11.45 | WobWork | where you can have the hunter misdirect to the tank where the tank is already up the top of the stairs |
| 05:14.21 | Tekkub | http://static0.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/9762/products/screwwhite600_large.gif?1236192388 |
| 05:14.30 | Tekkub | does anyone else notice what I notice? |
| 05:15.45 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:15.55 | Tekkub | and that is? |
| 05:16.05 | Adys | the image is 6325 bytes |
| 05:16.11 | Tekkub | next |
| 05:16.17 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:16.32 | Adys | well you cant divide that by 8 |
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| 05:17.10 | Thunder_Child | uh, you have to kill all the bosses anyway, doing them in a different order isnt going to change anything |
| 05:17.21 | Adys | THERES NO FIRST BOSS |
| 05:17.24 | Adys | DONT ARGUE WITH ME |
| 05:17.32 | Adys | its enhanced user experience |
| 05:17.40 | Adys | like Bibi` would put it. |
| 05:17.53 | Tekkub | yes yes, back to the image |
| 05:17.59 | Tekkub | this is important shit |
| 05:18.00 | Adys | so Tekkub |
| 05:18.03 | Adys | what do you notice |
| 05:18.14 | Tekkub | if I'm the only one seeing it, I'll feel pathetic |
| 05:18.27 | Adys | ill see it with you if you tell me what it is |
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| 05:18.46 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: Yes yes, we've resolved that issue. If you kill them in a certain order, it means less running, is all. |
| 05:19.07 | WobWork | because you can jump off the balcony from the rhino boss |
| 05:19.22 | WobWork | and you can't from the snake one I don't think |
| 05:20.01 | Thunder_Child | sooooo.....15-30 seconds? |
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| 05:21.19 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.46 | Adys | Tekkub: ahahah |
| 05:21.50 | Adys | i just got it. |
| 05:21.57 | Tekkub | ? |
| 05:22.11 | Adys | its late what can I say :( |
| 05:22.34 | Tekkub | and? |
| 05:22.40 | Adys | nothing. |
| 05:22.50 | Tekkub | you're not helping |
| 05:23.04 | Adys | well neither are you, explain what you were seeing |
| 05:23.20 | Adys | the screw looks like a dildo? at a guess |
| 05:23.30 | Tekkub | if I explain, that ruins it and proves I really am sad because no one else noticed |
| 05:23.46 | Adys | but if you dont you'll never know whether someone else noticed |
| 05:23.54 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 05:24.10 | Tekkub | which is why everyone else needs to look at it :P |
| 05:24.37 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, isnt really woth the worry of it |
| 05:24.55 | WobWork | "I <screw> Robots" |
| 05:25.04 | WobWork | or I tapscrew robots? |
| 05:25.17 | Adys | I <painfuldildo> Robots |
| 05:26.07 | Tekkub | topscrew? |
| 05:26.25 | WobWork | topscrew? |
| 05:26.31 | Adys | topscrew? |
| 05:26.38 | Tekkub | oh that's an 'a' |
| 05:26.44 | Tekkub | go go bad eyesight |
| 05:27.30 | Adys | wtf i love this vendor |
| 05:28.58 | Thunder_Child | why does this feel incorrect? "Siiv has not seem to have moved from IF in a while." |
| 05:29.20 | Adys | you cant employ have like that |
| 05:29.23 | Adys | I guess |
| 05:30.59 | WobWork | cause your tenses are incorrect |
| 05:31.17 | Tekkub | doesn't seem |
| 05:31.21 | WobWork | You'd want "Siiv has not seemed to have moved from IF in a while" or "Siiv has not moved from IF in a while" |
| 05:31.23 | Adys | your mom's has incorrect tenses |
| 05:31.27 | Adys | (note the pun, ha ha !) |
| 05:32.00 | Adys | way to make the same mistake WobWork |
| 05:32.19 | WobWork | oh? |
| 05:32.20 | Adys | really you cant employ have with seemed |
| 05:32.37 | Adys | actually |
| 05:32.42 | WobWork | Siiv has not seemed to ... what? |
| 05:32.42 | Adys | you probably can, Im dead tired |
| 05:32.43 | Thunder_Child | be he seemed to have done that |
| 05:32.48 | Thunder_Child | s/be/but/ |
| 05:32.59 | Thunder_Child | damn would be seems |
| 05:33.02 | WobWork | You need the 'to have' in there for that phrasing |
| 05:33.02 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:33.24 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 05:33.29 | WobWork | Or "Siiv seems to not have moved from IF in a while" |
| 05:33.51 | WobWork | "There has been no noticable movement from Siiv in IF for quite some time" |
| 05:34.07 | WobWork | or "Siiv is idle in IF" =) |
| 05:34.09 | Adys | or "It seems Siiv hasn't moved from IF in a while" |
| 05:34.45 | Adys | or "Mom, dinner's ready" |
| 05:34.56 | WobWork | although really, if there's a question to the validity of the grammar, there's bound to be a different, less complex way of saying it |
| 05:34.58 | Adys | 5 points if you get the joke |
| 05:36.07 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 05:36.35 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, is it that the threads are backwards? 'cause that's what I noticed :P |
| 05:36.37 | Shirik | $ time rm *.ideaMap |
| 05:36.39 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.52 | Shirik | ^ That wasn't even 25% of the data before I cancelled it |
| 05:37.16 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, THANK YOU |
| 05:37.26 | Tekkub | now I know I'm not the only pathetic one |
| 05:37.32 | WobWork | you can now both revel in your engineering geekery =) |
| 05:37.36 | ZorbaTHut | hah :) |
| 05:37.43 | ZorbaTHut | I might not have noticed if I hadn't just assembled a computer ;) |
| 05:37.58 | Adys | so uh |
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| 05:38.09 | Adys | I was the only one who was looking at this screw like it was a dildo |
| 05:38.14 | WobWork | ... |
| 05:38.15 | WobWork | yes |
| 05:38.35 | WobWork | methinks you should stop screwing robots |
| 05:39.10 | Tekkub | yes adys, yes |
| 05:39.10 | Shirik | what was the filesystem that is meant to be used with tons of small files? is that reiser? |
| 05:39.23 | Tekkub | ToSFS |
| 05:39.39 | WobWork | Terrible, Tekkub |
| 05:39.47 | Tekkub | what? |
| 05:40.10 | WobWork | unless that doesn't stand for "Tons of Small Files(ystem)" |
| 05:40.29 | Tekkub | I have *no* idea what you're talking about |
| 05:40.58 | Tekkub | Shirik, just use the FS that adys thinks looks like a dildo |
| 05:41.12 | Adys | so that's reiserfs |
| 05:41.16 | Adys | fucks with you over and over |
| 05:42.12 | Adys | WobWork: ToSFS stands for Terms of Service File System |
| 05:42.21 | Adys | it's made to have a bunch of TOS agreements in it |
| 05:42.37 | Adys | which is pretty much tons of small files |
| 05:42.52 | kd3 | heh. I saw that article and considered doing something similar |
| 05:43.44 | kd3 | anyway, time for sleep. I've been up since 6 am. (hey kd3, can you drive us to the airport so we don't have to pay for parking for a week?) |
| 05:43.58 | Adys | night |
| 05:46.01 | WobWork | >< http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080620165648AAUcCXP |
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| 05:56.29 | Adys | can you get the GUID of a npc talking? |
| 05:56.34 | Adys | foo says/yells |
| 05:56.38 | Adys | or even emote |
| 05:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | If you can get a unitid on it |
| 05:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Or a combatlog event |
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| 05:59.15 | mooooo_ | Hi all |
| 05:59.29 | mooooo_ | Has anyone tried to do the newbie addon tutorial lately? |
| 05:59.40 | mooooo_ | I just got a stack overflow error from the HelloWorld program :o |
| 05:59.55 | Adys | that totally isnt nice |
| 06:00.21 | mooooo_ | It was midly anti-climatic |
| 06:02.25 | Adys | lets see if my overkill works |
| 06:03.22 | Adys | it does \o/ |
| 06:08.54 | AbsolutRayne | Ok so, I have this wierd thing with my comp |
| 06:09.06 | Thunder_Child | ewww |
| 06:09.10 | Thunder_Child | thats is NOT ok |
| 06:09.20 | AbsolutRayne | My net 'Hesistates' occasionally, wont do anything. Kicks me from my services, times me out of Teamspeak... |
| 06:09.32 | AbsolutRayne | Its only started since I started using this wireless router |
| 06:09.37 | Thunder_Child | technophelia i guess |
| 06:09.49 | AbsolutRayne | Ive got full signal to the router and all |
| 06:10.09 | Thunder_Child | sure it's not your ISP? |
| 06:10.18 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah, I was having the same issue in Jersey |
| 06:10.38 | AbsolutRayne | and now im 2600 miles away |
| 06:11.03 | Thunder_Child | i can move 2600 miles and still be with the same ISP |
| 06:11.11 | AbsolutRayne | I cant when its across a border |
| 06:11.49 | Thunder_Child | ok, if it is not your router or beyond you have to look inward |
| 06:12.19 | Thunder_Child | as always, check layer one first. lose cable between comp and router/modem? |
| 06:12.50 | Tekkub | house still attached to util pole? |
| 06:13.02 | Thunder_Child | from router Tekkub |
| 06:13.54 | WobWork | AbsolutRayne: You live in a house? |
| 06:14.12 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah |
| 06:14.17 | AbsolutRayne | Sorry im fighting Thaddius atm |
| 06:14.20 | Tekkub | there's your problem |
| 06:14.32 | WobWork | My friend has an issue with a wireless router in his apartment block |
| 06:14.46 | WobWork | Every evening when everyone uses their microwave to cook dinner, he gets cut off =P |
| 06:14.57 | Tekkub | microwaves are a bitch |
| 06:15.00 | Tekkub | as are welders |
| 06:15.00 | WobWork | So, anyway, change wireless router channels, and see if that fixes things |
| 06:15.20 | Thunder_Child | oh bloddy hell, missed the 'wireless' part |
| 06:15.33 | Tekkub | the oil place I worked at, it's randomly cut out... one day it happened when I was in the room with the window that looks out at the shop |
| 06:15.36 | Thunder_Child | ya, check all EM fields |
| 06:15.38 | Tekkub | the guys start bitching |
| 06:15.47 | Tekkub | I just point at the guy welding right outside the window |
| 06:15.53 | Tekkub | he stops, net comes back |
| 06:19.49 | Shirik | woot, my program finally finished generating data |
| 06:19.56 | AbsolutRayne | WobWork: I have, it doesnt yield any change. |
| 06:20.01 | Tekkub | and the conclusion? |
| 06:20.13 | Tekkub | data indicates, Shirik still sucks |
| 06:20.25 | WobWork | ultimate solution, AbsolutRayne, is to cable yourself up to the router =) |
| 06:20.35 | Shirik | Tekkub: Please wait while data is processed |
| 06:20.44 | Tekkub | it always boils down to that... wifi is so nice on paper |
| 06:21.06 | Tekkub | then you try to use it for a steady connection and you just want to stab your foot |
| 06:21.18 | AbsolutRayne | WobWork: I would, but its on the other side of the wall, on the other side of that room. :/ easily 35 feet of cable |
| 06:21.25 | Tekkub | you need a WifiCat |
| 06:21.46 | Tekkub | I got a few thousand ft of cat5 if'n you want some :P |
| 06:21.50 | AbsolutRayne | I wish i could move the Router to this room, but theres no phone jack |
| 06:22.05 | AbsolutRayne | Only a few thousand? :P |
| 06:22.10 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/gisData$ ls | wc -l && du -hs . |
| 06:22.12 | Shirik | 100003 |
| 06:22.13 | Shirik | 32G |
| 06:22.15 | Shirik | That took forever to run.... |
| 06:22.21 | Tekkub | yes |
| 06:22.24 | Arrowmaster | cat5 isnt perfect either though |
| 06:22.31 | Tekkub | box Trey stole from work |
| 06:22.41 | AbsolutRayne | I see |
| 06:22.41 | Tekkub | "They have 2 more boxes they'll never notice" |
| 06:22.48 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: tends to be more reliable than wifi though =) |
| 06:22.49 | Tekkub | we've used like, 10 ft of it |
| 06:23.09 | Tekkub | cat5 is 99.9% better than wifi though Arrowmaster |
| 06:23.11 | WobWork | especially with double brick houses |
| 06:23.14 | Dolby | http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10208&cs_id=1020812&p_id=2158&seq=1&format=2 $5 |
| 06:23.18 | Dolby | 50" |
| 06:23.23 | Tekkub | and microwaves |
| 06:23.24 | Dolby | err 50 ' |
| 06:23.28 | WobWork | hehe |
| 06:23.29 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/gisData$ ls | wc -l && du -hs . |
| 06:23.31 | Shirik | 100003 |
| 06:23.32 | Shirik | 32G |
| 06:23.34 | Shirik | er |
| 06:23.34 | Arrowmaster | in industrial situations with lots of EMI both will fail to work well |
| 06:23.37 | WobWork | I was thinking: "I'm not american.. but that's not much cable..." |
| 06:23.42 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-laptop:~/gisData$ tar -cz *.ideaMap > ./compressed.tar.gz |
| 06:23.44 | Shirik | bash: /bin/tar: Argument list too long |
| 06:23.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:23.48 | Tekkub | All signs point to "Shirik sucks" |
| 06:23.56 | AbsolutRayne | XD |
| 06:24.34 | Shirik | this is where I use xargs or something, right? |
| 06:24.43 | Dolby | they got it in all types of colors so if you wana match your carpet you probably can |
| 06:25.53 | Thunder_Child | feeling a little Fisker- atm Tekkub? |
| 06:25.55 | AbsolutRayne | Oh so they have puke brown? |
| 06:26.09 | Tekkub | a little fister? |
| 06:26.13 | Tekkub | is that possible? |
| 06:26.31 | Thunder_Child | and you thought my misreading was bad |
| 06:27.02 | Tekkub | Dolby, everyone with a cat knows you go for catfood brown to match the puke |
| 06:28.22 | Tekkub | the ink seller should sell lower tier common inks for their corresponding uncommon ink |
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| 06:28.29 | Tekkub | the uncommons are useless |
| 06:29.13 | AbsolutRayne | But yeah |
| 06:29.21 | AbsolutRayne | Ill probably just have to go back to directly plugging into it |
| 06:29.32 | AbsolutRayne | I really dont know whats going on, my wife doesnt have the same problem |
| 06:29.34 | Tekkub | "I buy and trade" and state the obvious |
| 06:32.58 | Tekkub | Shirik, idea |
| 06:33.10 | Tekkub | for you dalap counter |
| 06:33.26 | Tekkub | use mailboxes as waypoints, count number of mailboxes passed |
| 06:33.47 | Tekkub | then you can catch loops through the trade area and stuff |
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| 06:55.53 | AnduinLothar | With new and improved SLOW DOWN, you don't have to die. |
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| 07:08.05 | X3- | anyone know german? |
| 07:08.12 | X3- | I need a quick translation |
| 07:08.25 | Thunder_Child | ~x en de hi |
| 07:08.51 | X3- | do you? |
| 07:09.20 | Thunder_Child | no, i am saying purl has a translation porogram |
| 07:09.23 | Thunder_Child | program* |
| 07:09.32 | X3- | what does "speil mit mir" mean |
| 07:09.34 | X3- | if anyone knows german |
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| 07:09.42 | krka_ | spiel mit mir means play with me |
| 07:09.46 | Thunder_Child | ~x de en speil mit mir |
| 07:09.54 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 07:10.02 | X3- | speil didnt translate for me either |
| 07:10.10 | X3- | is spiel mean play as in sexual? |
| 07:10.13 | X3- | or child play? |
| 07:10.25 | krka_ | dunno could be both i guess |
| 07:10.56 | krka_ | could also be sporting play or game play |
| 07:11.00 | Dagmar | It's yiddish |
| 07:11.22 | Dagmar | Yiddish word for "story" as far as I know |
| 07:11.33 | X3- | ah |
| 07:12.01 | Dagmar | I've no idea how that functions with "with" <mir> |
| 07:12.33 | Dagmar | Was this said as a directive? |
| 07:12.37 | krka_ | seems more likely that it's misspelled german |
| 07:12.44 | Thunder_Child | yiddish = basterdies geramn so confusion is bound to be there |
| 07:12.55 | Thunder_Child | basterdised* |
| 07:13.09 | Thunder_Child | however usually the 2 are very similar |
| 07:13.17 | Dagmar | I would surmise that the most likely translation would be "play with me" |
| 07:13.52 | Dagmar | Yeah there's a degree to which Yiddish is about like a "Southerner" version of English in America |
| 07:13.56 | Dagmar | Lots of slang uses |
| 07:14.21 | Dagmar | One of my exes was very, very jewish |
| 07:14.39 | Dagmar | She loved trying to bug me with yiddish |
| 07:17.05 | Dagmar | DW should show more kids shows. Then my German wouldn't suck as much. |
| 07:18.03 | Dagmar | My guess is dude was taking it from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiel_mit_mir |
| 07:18.11 | Dagmar | Amazing what uses whole phrase searching on Google has |
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| 07:20.07 | Dagmar | Geez. $coworker passed me this in a mail after hearing me gripe about the Stoneform change http://www.noobz-online.com/en/2008/05/21/just-a-game/ |
| 07:20.23 | Dagmar | I guess things *could* be worse. They could replace Leatherworking with Knitting or something |
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| 07:34.57 | Shirik | along with his file system |
| 07:35.03 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 07:35.05 | Dagmar | You serious? |
| 07:35.13 | Shirik | no not really |
| 07:35.19 | Shirik | but I'm probably as exhausted as it is |
| 07:35.39 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain it doesn't enjoy 100000 files totalling about 30GB being generated in the span of 20 minutes |
| 07:36.18 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 07:36.44 | Dagmar | I know my fileserver didn't burst into flames when I did something along those lines to the tune of 10gb last week screwing with bonnie++ |
| 07:37.14 | Shirik | but see |
| 07:37.16 | Shirik | that was a server |
| 07:37.21 | Shirik | this was done on an embedded system |
| 07:37.33 | Dagmar | Unlike salesmen, I make little distinction between workstation and server. |
| 07:37.40 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 07:37.50 | Shirik | but if you don't make a distinction between embedded system and server, there's something wrong with you |
| 07:38.01 | Dagmar | You might have really pissed it off by making it use up all it's spare RAM caching those writes |
| 07:38.28 | Shirik | haha |
| 07:38.31 | Dagmar | Is there no sanity checker for the filesystem in question? |
| 07:38.39 | Shirik | I was very careful, though, before I let it go, to ensure there were no memory leaks |
| 07:39.07 | Dagmar | WEll, doing that kind of torture test would be a good way to find out if you missed any |
| 07:39.30 | Dagmar | I just wanted to be sure of the way the thing was going to react if I were to be making it my primary filestore at the house |
| 07:39.56 | Shirik | valgrind is so much <3 |
| 07:40.19 | Dagmar | Hmm... I avoid cases where I might have to use valgrind |
| 07:40.25 | Shirik | Oh I love valgrind |
| 07:40.32 | Dagmar | I don't doubt it |
| 07:40.33 | Shirik | It helped us find a lot of memory errors |
| 07:40.33 | Dagmar | It's nice |
| 07:40.38 | Shirik | not just leaks |
| 07:40.53 | Shirik | but it's sooooooooo much better than gdb's (or any other debugger's) "segfault here. Figure it out." |
| 07:40.59 | Dagmar | Like, dead RAM? |
| 07:41.11 | Dagmar | ...or just sloppy allocation? |
| 07:41.28 | krka_ | sloppy language |
| 07:41.29 | Shirik | "Invalid write of size 4 at address <blah> on this file at this line; Location is 4 bytes after a block allocated by this file at this line |
| 07:41.34 | Shirik | Off by one errors, mostly |
| 07:41.40 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 07:41.43 | Shirik | looping over the array with <= instead of < |
| 07:41.43 | Shirik | e.g., |
| 07:41.51 | Shirik | valgrind is soooo good at catching those |
| 07:42.06 | Shirik | anyway, switching computers brb |
| 07:42.10 | krka_ | imo the compiler or runtime should catch it :) |
| 07:42.23 | Dagmar | Oh I wish |
| 07:42.28 | Shirik | visual studio's debug mode CRT will catch it at program termination |
| 07:42.35 | Shirik | but not at "run time" per say |
| 07:42.54 | Fisker- | it's se not say |
| 07:42.56 | Shirik | (or it will catch it when freed, whichever comes first) |
| 07:43.01 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 07:43.01 | Shirik | whatever Fisker-! |
| 07:43.13 | Fisker- | whatcha gonna do about it? |
| 07:43.41 | Dagmar | Maybe beatcha with a week old loaf of french bread |
| 07:43.55 | Fisker- | i would welcome that |
| 07:44.24 | Dagmar | doh getting my windows mixed up. That was actually a reference to an "old games" discussion in another channel |
| 07:44.53 | Dagmar | (in one old SCUMM-like game a week old loaf of bread was used as an all-purpose blunt object) |
| 07:45.01 | Shirik|AFK | but yes |
| 07:45.06 | Shirik|AFK | Valgrind is so good at catching those things |
| 07:45.28 | Dagmar | I am good at writing those kinds of bugs, so I have adapted |
| 07:45.57 | Dagmar | I write lots of tiny subroutines. LOTS of them. |
| 07:46.02 | Shirik|AFK | I wrote a paper on how that can hurt your program :) |
| 07:46.10 | Shirik|AFK | would you like it ;) |
| 07:46.17 | Dagmar | If I can't fit it on an 80x50 xterm, it's probably not been broken down into components enough yet |
| 07:46.20 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJJo8CJpGWo |
| 07:46.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: Sure, actually |
| 07:46.42 | Dagmar | I mean, I know this gets me into trouble with languages that can't jump from routine to routine quickly |
| 07:46.58 | Dagmar | ...but it keeps me from doing the same task in four places in screwing it up in one of them |
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| 07:48.13 | Dagmar | s/places in/places and/ |
| 07:48.19 | Shirik|AFK | I totally agree Dagmar |
| 07:48.30 | Shirik|AFK | I start off with "it's good programming practice to do what you're doing" |
| 07:48.37 | Shirik|AFK | then I go into "but here's why you can't in hotspots" |
| 07:48.40 | Adys | OH YES BABY |
| 07:48.42 | Adys | >>> f[22114].getvalue("flags") |
| 07:48.42 | Adys | ['account_bound', 'unk32768', 'unk64'] |
| 07:49.23 | Dagmar | Shirik: I got serious about doing things that way when one of my jobs was to debug and stabilize a gargantuan perl app |
| 07:49.29 | Dagmar | Ten million lines of code |
| 07:49.45 | Adys | Dagmar: whats weird about a ten million LOC perl app? |
| 07:49.52 | Dagmar | ...about 700 thousand of which was just the front end |
| 07:50.05 | Dagmar | Adys: There were *two* comments in it |
| 07:50.11 | Adys | oh |
| 07:50.15 | Adys | thats pretty impressive yes |
| 07:50.19 | Adys | finding comments in a perl app. |
| 07:50.20 | Dagmar | It was a trial by fire for how good I was at perl |
| 07:50.33 | Dagmar | I managed to slice about 300,000 lines out of the front end interface |
| 07:51.25 | Dagmar | I think I might possibly have been clinically insane at one point there |
| 07:51.57 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d228d2fc0 \o/ |
| 07:52.22 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5166798/24-solid-state-drives-open-all-of-microsoft-office-in-5-seconds |
| 07:52.56 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: They didn't cheat the read speeds by using them in RAID? |
| 07:53.14 | Thunder_Child | yes, but hardly a cheat since they said that |
| 07:53.18 | Dagmar | Oh, I see that they did |
| 07:53.22 | Fisker- | The complete system defrags in about 3 seconds. |
| 07:53.26 | Fisker- | FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL |
| 07:53.38 | Dagmar | Hly crap I thought you were joking |
| 07:54.09 | Shirik|AFK | /who Orgrimmar |
| 07:54.11 | Shirik|AFK | 0 Players total |
| 07:54.14 | Dagmar | Looks like Samsung is probably going to be entering the DB hardware market soon |
| 07:54.16 | Shirik|AFK | Azeroth crash ftw |
| 07:55.20 | Dagmar | Oracle might actually run fast on that |
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| 07:56.14 | Fisker- | WHY WOULD YOU TEST HOW QUICK YOU CAN DELETE SOMETHING |
| 07:56.20 | Adys | oh shut up fisker |
| 07:56.36 | Dagmar | Fisker-: Because sometimes it'll screw you if you don't check |
| 07:56.51 | Dagmar | Case in point, people using ext3 as their primary filestore with MythTV |
| 07:57.05 | Dagmar | Deleting a 2GB file takes about a full second |
| 07:57.15 | Dagmar | ...during which time that's pretty much *all* the machine is doing |
| 07:57.19 | Fisker- | filesystem fail :P |
| 07:57.25 | Dagmar | Fun for video playback |
| 07:57.37 | Dagmar | hence, people use XFS or JFS for that filestore |
| 07:58.01 | Fisker- | what about reiserfs, it's good at murdering your wife, what about files? |
| 07:58.01 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 07:58.02 | Adys | Fisker-: a fs doesnt fail because it's not built for a certain usage |
| 07:58.10 | AbsolutRayne | GOodnight, peopleof the IRC |
| 07:58.21 | Dagmar | Fisker-: For the same reasons ext3 has problems, so does reiser |
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| 07:58.34 | Adys | you dont use SQLite for massive db storage |
| 07:58.36 | Dagmar | It's just not meant to deal with files that size in quite that way |
| 07:59.41 | Dagmar | I'm not sure if it's even possible to tune it's extents to be large enough to make that go away |
| 08:02.06 | Dagmar | If someone knows a more accurate term than extents for the minimum block size a filesystem deals with, feel free to speak it |
| 08:03.05 | Dagmar | Fisker-: I would argue that there's serious bugs in the gettingawaywithit() routines |
| 08:03.14 | Fisker- | ? |
| 08:03.37 | Dagmar | Fisker-: He's in jail |
| 08:03.47 | Fisker- | ah |
| 08:03.51 | Fisker- | talking about reiser :P |
| 08:04.53 | Dezzimal | Wired reports that Hans Reiser is trying to get his sentence reduced in return for showing authorities where Nina ReiserÂ’s body is. Presumably the pieces are of manageable size and spread evenly throughout a wooded area for easy, order-N retrieval. Probably indexed in his journal. |
| 08:05.04 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 08:05.17 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:05.50 | Adys | reiser jokes have all been done |
| 08:05.53 | Adys | they're all old |
| 08:05.56 | Adys | sorry |
| 08:06.05 | zenzio | so is your mom, but she's still popular |
| 08:06.24 | Dezzimal | No damnit, hans reiser jokes need to be brought up any time someone mentions resierfs |
| 08:06.26 | Dagmar | That was good |
| 08:06.48 | zenzio | by and large, most jokes are old, that doesn't mean they're less funny. There are always people who haven't heard them |
| 08:07.59 | Dezzimal | Thats really the only good one though |
| 08:08.05 | Dezzimal | and I'm fairly certain I've heard them all. |
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| 08:10.13 | Thunder_Child | i am very amused that wowwiki's background image is an ad for warhammer online |
| 08:10.31 | Dagmar | You gotta respect their tenacity |
| 08:11.43 | Dagmar | Too much of the stuff in the low-end of the game requires (or at least benefits greatly from) ad-hoc grouping |
| 08:12.13 | Dagmar | ...but without their customer-base reaching a much larger mass than it did, any new players will be basically roflstomped by that content |
| 08:13.17 | zenzio | in some way, though probably inaccurate, that reminds me of LF3M FOR MARA PST!!!! |
| 08:14.02 | Adys | oh god |
| 08:14.07 | Adys | this is just sexinabox |
| 08:14.09 | Dagmar | Well, with altitis being the way it is in WoW you might actually be able to *get* those three people on weekends |
| 08:14.24 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d256b1ec4 |
| 08:14.34 | Dagmar | You're lucky to even see another player a couple of times per level in WH |
| 08:14.48 | Dagmar | ...at least until you've gotten to 30 or higher |
| 08:15.22 | Thunder_Child | what would "|cff4477ffCB|r" display as in an AddMessage? |
| 08:16.35 | nevcairiel | CB in some weird color? |
| 08:17.11 | Thunder_Child | why are you asking me? |
| 08:17.21 | zenzio | a light blue, IIRC |
| 08:17.28 | nevcairiel | ya soem blue-ish |
| 08:17.41 | Dagmar | I'd say cyan but that's as far as I get |
| 08:17.49 | Dagmar | I dunno WTF the other parts of that do |
| 08:18.09 | Adys | alpha, r, g, b |
| 08:19.11 | Dagmar | Well, it's the function of the "CB" and the "|r" that I'm completely in the dark about still |
| 08:19.55 | zenzio | |r = "reset", or thereabout |
| 08:20.00 | zenzio | CB is the actual text to be colored |
| 08:20.49 | Dagmar | Thanks |
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| 08:21.07 | Dagmar | VT100, ANSI, and so on have simple docs that are easy to find to figger 'em out with |
| 08:21.26 | Dagmar | I've yet to see a concise list of the markup WoW uses |
| 08:22.03 | Dagmar | I don't know enough of the magic words yet to ask a search engine the right question on that |
| 08:24.17 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 08:24.53 | Dagmar | Pretending it's a relative of VT100 worked tho... "warcraft text color code" got me a page explaining them for WC3, and I've no reason to believe they wouldn't reuse that mechanism |
| 08:25.50 | Dagmar | http://www.d3scene.com/forum/editing/15064-color-codes-warcraft-3-a.html |
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| 08:26.12 | Dagmar | ...although I can't for the life of me think of why the guy would post 00 through FF as a list of "codes" |
| 08:27.21 | Dezzimal | or spell digit as diget |
| 08:27.41 | Dagmar | In *2007* you would think someone would know what hexidecimal is when they see it |
| 08:28.36 | Dezzimal | base64 is the new hex |
| 08:28.53 | Thunder_Child | lowest common denominator, just assume people are stupid...you will live longer |
| 08:29.27 | Dagmar | Well, I could excuse it back in 1982 |
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| 08:29.50 | Dagmar | I actually got into trouble with a bible-thumping daycare center employee about the "hex tables" I was working with |
| 08:30.27 | Dezzimal | how the hell did a daycare center employee manage to find out enough about you to inquire along those lines |
| 08:30.28 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 08:30.53 | Dagmar | "bible-thumper" inhereits attributes of nosy |
| 08:30.58 | zenzio | I'm guessing it was a different type of "hex" |
| 08:31.01 | Dagmar | erm, spelled properly |
| 08:31.02 | zenzio | like voodoo |
| 08:31.13 | Dagmar | Apparently that's what she thought at the time |
| 08:31.17 | Dezzimal | Nex time don't put pentagram stickers on your laptop bag |
| 08:31.18 | Dagmar | Narrow little minds |
| 08:31.33 | Dagmar | 1. 1983, 2. I was 12 or something |
| 08:32.02 | Dagmar | It wasn't a good afternoon |
| 08:32.02 | Thunder_Child | just say your bag was upside down when you put the sticker on and watch their eyes cross as they think about it |
| 08:32.25 | Dezzimal | Oh see I thought you might have been the parent dropping your kid off |
| 08:32.32 | Dezzimal | /boggle |
| 08:32.39 | Dagmar | Yeah they didn't like me "claiming" that I could program a computer |
| 08:34.50 | Dagmar | I'm sure someday a therapist will be telling me that was a root cause or something |
| 08:35.45 | nevcairiel | You expect to end up with a therapist someday? |
| 08:35.52 | Dezzimal | At which point you'll tell the therapist that the daycare center worker could never root you. |
| 08:36.19 | Dagmar | nevcariel: I don't think *anyone* really *expects* it |
| 08:36.21 | Dagmar | It appears to be something that just happens to people |
| 08:38.35 | Dagmar | Dezzimal: She was probably a blinker |
| 08:38.57 | Dagmar | (people whose VCRs blink '12:00' forever) |
| 08:39.15 | Dezzimal | VCwhat? |
| 08:39.49 | Dagmar | VCR. I know you know what a VHS tape is |
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| 09:15.19 | WobWork | hehe |
| 09:15.46 | WobWork | it reminds me of that book that claims it holds ever single PIN code. INCLUDING YOURS! |
| 09:16.10 | WobWork | It was just a book with the numbers 0000 to 9999 =P |
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| 09:17.50 | smoke_ | im trying to add the [range] tag to oUF tag system, how do i call the getRange() function in librangecheck? |
| 09:17.56 | smoke_ | in the oUF Lua |
| 09:18.12 | Thunder_Child | LUUUUNCH LAAAAADY LAAAAAAAAAAND |
| 09:20.45 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 09:20.48 | Arrowmaster | "By not willing to cut their MCP’s some slack, the Redmond Giant has practiced unsafe skull-fucking, and have now contracted a rare form of financial syphilis." |
| 09:22.01 | Arrowmaster | "In a world fueled by digital transactions made possible by software it is no longer acceptable that the necessary infrastructure be subject to the whims of economic skull-fuckers. We cannot afford to pay for things that can be copied at zero marginal cost, and any country that is forced to do so will have to pay with their freedom." |
| 09:22.07 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck i love this article |
| 09:24.11 | nevcairiel | WobWork: you know the biggest hacker resource is the list of ALL IP Adresses on the planet %) |
| 09:24.29 | WobWork | nevcairiel: That's gunna be a huuuge book |
| 09:24.38 | WobWork | and just imagine the amount of printing required for ipv6 |
| 09:24.46 | nevcairiel | I think it was some text file |
| 09:25.23 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^32 |
| 09:25.23 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 4294967296 |
| 09:25.23 | Arrowmaster | not big |
| 09:25.23 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^128 |
| 09:25.23 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3.4028236692094e+38 |
| 09:25.23 | Arrowmaster | big |
| 09:25.44 | WobWork | I dunno, printing 4 billion strings of numbers is pretty big |
| 09:26.05 | WobWork | or is that thousand million? |
| 09:33.00 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^32 |
| 09:33.01 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 4294967296 |
| 09:33.05 | Arrowmaster | lua> a,b,c=tostring(2^128):match("(%d)%.(%d+)e%+(%d+)") return a..b..string.rep("0",c-b:len()) |
| 09:33.05 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 340282366920940000000000000000000000000 |
| 09:33.13 | Arrowmaster | yes i have issues that i would write that |
| 09:33.28 | Dagmar | This is where lolcats terminology reduces that to a much simpler-to-express "OMGLOTS" |
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| 10:56.19 | Adys | finally done |
| 10:56.21 | Adys | http://addsanddishes.blogspot.com/2009/03/wdbc-parser-custom-field-behaviour.html |
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| 11:19.04 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
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| 11:21.01 | pb_ee1 | Adys: weeee |
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| 11:35.09 | mikma | is there any way of using item with LDB? clicking the ldb would use hearthstone? |
| 11:35.46 | foxlit | You're doooooomed |
| 11:35.58 | foxlit | Seriously, you are |
| 11:36.01 | nevcairiel | i don't think any display supports secure buttons which would be required for casting |
| 11:36.23 | foxlit | Unless the displays guarantee access to a secure environment, you can't cast to harm a fly once you hit insecure code. |
| 11:36.33 | mikma | what about if i create a hidden secure button? |
| 11:36.39 | foxlit | You can't call it. |
| 11:36.45 | mikma | thought so |
| 11:36.49 | foxlit | I.e. :Click() wouldn't work |
| 11:37.08 | mikma | then i need a better way, or just scratch the feature |
| 11:37.51 | foxlit | Ask people to doubleclick instead? |
| 11:38.42 | Arrowmaster | that wouldnt work either |
| 11:38.48 | nevcairiel | How would doubleclick solve the issue? :D |
| 11:38.59 | foxlit | I'm glad you asked <3 |
| 11:39.09 | foxlit | You'd move a secure button under the cursor on the first OnClick. |
| 11:39.17 | jnwhiteh | look at Broker_Panels |
| 11:39.22 | jnwhiteh | it lets you cast spells from an LDB panel |
| 11:39.25 | jnwhiteh | its not that difficult. |
| 11:39.32 | jnwhiteh | you just supply your own panel to be displayed |
| 11:39.35 | jnwhiteh | which is secure |
| 11:39.45 | Arrowmaster | wont that break display mods? |
| 11:39.50 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't |
| 11:39.52 | Arrowmaster | since they arent expecting secure buttons |
| 11:39.56 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:39.58 | jnwhiteh | you misundestand |
| 11:40.15 | jnwhiteh | you click the LDB display to show another frame |
| 11:40.17 | jnwhiteh | which is secure |
| 11:40.27 | jnwhiteh | right-click shows a list of items you can use |
| 11:40.28 | jnwhiteh | etc. |
| 11:40.31 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 11:40.38 | mikma | hmm |
| 11:40.41 | nevcairiel | Yeah that would work |
| 11:40.42 | mikma | that would be hot actually |
| 11:40.46 | nevcairiel | just not by clicking on the panel itself |
| 11:40.50 | jnwhiteh | it already does work =) |
| 11:40.52 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 11:40.59 | jnwhiteh | broker_panels is hot |
| 11:41.09 | jnwhiteh | can hearth, use my portals and teleports |
| 11:41.18 | mikma | that's whats i'm planning! |
| 11:41.26 | mikma | where is the broker_panels? :O |
| 11:41.30 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
| 11:41.31 | jnwhiteh | curse |
| 11:41.32 | jnwhiteh | wowi |
| 11:41.34 | jnwhiteh | somewhere |
| 11:42.18 | nevcairiel | didnt we have a bot for that |
| 11:42.22 | nevcairiel | !addon broker_panels |
| 11:42.23 | lua_bot | Found 0 addon results for 'broker_panels': http://is.gd/mGrd |
| 11:42.27 | jnwhiteh | !addon panel |
| 11:42.29 | lua_bot | Found 300 addon results for 'panel': http://is.gd/mGrg |
| 11:42.29 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 11:42.33 | jnwhiteh | !addon broker_portal |
| 11:42.34 | lua_bot | Found 1 addon results for 'broker_portal': http://is.gd/mGrk |
| 11:42.36 | foxlit | it gexists only in jim's mind. |
| 11:42.36 | jnwhiteh | there ya go |
| 11:42.53 | mikma | :D |
| 11:43.12 | mikma | now actually |
| 11:43.21 | mikma | why would i code that if it already exists? |
| 11:43.30 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 11:44.01 | nevcairiel | because you're like indy? :D |
| 11:44.08 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:44.15 | mikma | like, emo QQ wrists ignore? :I |
| 11:45.31 | nevcairiel | and a "only like my own stuff" idea :D |
| 11:46.17 | mikma | actually that Broker_Portals is way better than my addon :D it has support for shaman and druid too |
| 11:46.27 | jnwhiteh | should support DK imo =) |
| 11:46.30 | jnwhiteh | DEATHGATE MUWAH |
| 11:46.58 | nevcairiel | Somehow i wouldnt really install an addon to get my moonglade port of my bars |
| 11:47.01 | nevcairiel | as i mage i can see it |
| 11:47.04 | nevcairiel | but shrug =P |
| 11:47.08 | foxlit | annoying: vendors at ebon hold aren't part of the ebon blade rep |
| 11:47.19 | mikma | hmm |
| 11:47.39 | mikma | i think i'll pass on the Hearthstone - ldb but add all the other stuff instead :D |
| 11:47.54 | mikma | my addon is still a standalone + ldb :P |
| 11:48.28 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 11:48.34 | jnwhiteh | I need something nice |
| 11:48.38 | jnwhiteh | I have a long string |
| 11:48.44 | mikma | jnwhiteh: also, dk is in Broker_Portals :) |
| 11:48.45 | jnwhiteh | lets say 5 million characters |
| 11:48.48 | foxlit | a kitten! |
| 11:48.55 | jnwhiteh | I need to split that into lines of 78 characters with newlines |
| 11:48.59 | mikma | elseif class == "DEATHKNIGHT" then portals = { 50977 --Death Gate } |
| 11:49.01 | jnwhiteh | the naive solution blows up lua |
| 11:49.04 | jnwhiteh | because of string re-hashing |
| 11:49.35 | nevcairiel | naive being printing 78 chars, add newline, repeat? |
| 11:49.39 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 11:49.44 | jnwhiteh | > for i=1,#e,77 do |
| 11:49.44 | jnwhiteh | >> f = f .. e:sub(i, i + 76) .. "\n" |
| 11:49.46 | jnwhiteh | >> end |
| 11:49.55 | jnwhiteh | takes a long time to run on a 5 million character string. |
| 11:49.59 | foxlit | well, you could move that concat |
| 11:50.02 | krka_ | use a table? |
| 11:50.04 | krka_ | table.concat ftw |
| 11:50.08 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 11:50.12 | jnwhiteh | thats the next move |
| 11:50.16 | jnwhiteh | was just looking for other solutions =) |
| 11:50.37 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: http://pastey.net/109843 |
| 11:50.38 | krka_ | http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaRopes |
| 11:50.46 | jnwhiteh | krka_: a bit overkill for this :P; |
| 11:51.30 | nevcairiel | string.concat should do you fine, as long as you dont run it inside WoW or anything, so you dont hit their table size limit =P |
| 11:51.38 | jnwhiteh | this isn't in wow, actually |
| 11:51.52 | nevcairiel | I figured, just sayin' |
| 11:52.18 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 11:52.20 | jnwhiteh | table.concat wins |
| 11:52.24 | jnwhiteh | but i can just use a mime chain |
| 11:53.11 | krka_ | nevcairiel: wow tables have a size limit? |
| 11:53.29 | nevcairiel | krka_: memory allocation error, block too big <-- ever seen that ? :D |
| 11:53.38 | nevcairiel | its around ~700-800k keys |
| 11:54.00 | krka_ | oh |
| 11:54.36 | krka_ | i suppose it happens when i tries to allocate that much continuous memory for the key array |
| 11:54.40 | krka_ | *it |
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| 12:40.26 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_031009_143830.jpg |
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| 12:44.38 | Kalroth | mikma: wut! |
| 12:47.57 | Fisker- | wut |
| 12:48.14 | Fisker- | why would i use hearthstone? |
| 12:48.30 | Fisker- | shame on you for not being level 80 :( |
| 12:48.52 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: you use hearthstone when some squirrel frightens you! |
| 12:49.35 | Fisker- | naww |
| 12:49.53 | Fisker- | i use hearthstone when massively outnumbered by alliance :( |
| 12:51.05 | Kalroth | .. aren't you alliance, Fisker? |
| 12:53.30 | foxlit | no |
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| 12:57.06 | nevcairiel | Hm are warriors really lacking in TPS these days? Our warrior tanks always complain, that they cannot keep up in TPS with the other tanks.. or are they just fail? =P |
| 12:57.23 | Kalroth | Fail |
| 12:57.34 | Kalroth | We use a warrior tank on Malygos for the 6 minute achievements |
| 12:57.51 | Kalroth | and he can keep up with our 2-stacked mages with mirror image |
| 12:57.52 | Kalroth | So :) |
| 12:58.10 | nevcairiel | with mirror-images, they cannot pull aggro |
| 12:58.24 | nevcairiel | as long as the images are out, anyway |
| 12:58.32 | Kalroth | yes, what happens after? :P |
| 12:58.50 | Dagmar | Man I'm hoping they drop the difficulty on that Argent Tournament fights |
| 12:59.11 | nevcairiel | difficulty? |
| 12:59.19 | nevcairiel | i didnt really consider it diffcult.. |
| 12:59.53 | Dagmar | Have you fought the Valiant or Champion placeholders? |
| 13:00.01 | nevcairiel | Anyhow, maybe i should level my warrior up to have some comparison, i know that my frost dk can run 5-6k constant TPS |
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| 13:00.19 | nevcairiel | and thats in 10 man gear |
| 13:00.31 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: yeah i have |
| 13:00.48 | Dagmar | Is there some way to get *distance* on those guys I'm not seeing? |
| 13:00.50 | Kalroth | Our MT pulls 7-10k on Patchwerk25, he gets some nice crit spikes at times |
| 13:01.17 | nevcairiel | I guess ours is just fail then =P |
| 13:01.26 | nevcairiel | Wonder if EJ has some insight |
| 13:01.38 | Dagmar | Half the time they never budge, and if you do back away from them, they either a) don't let you get off a ranged attack, or charge you the moment after you've charged them |
| 13:01.57 | zenzio | there are situations where warriors can have trouble, but by and large they don't |
| 13:02.06 | Dagmar | You can't outrun the things, and they consistently hit harder than you do so there's no hiding behind defend x3 that I can se |
| 13:02.34 | nevcairiel | why did i not have any trouble with them <.< |
| 13:02.36 | Dagmar | The gnomes like to back off immediately and then charge |
| 13:02.59 | Dagmar | I can be sitting there pounding the charge key--I won't get it, they will |
| 13:03.47 | Dagmar | Are dwarves missing a skill on the vehicle bar or something? |
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| 13:04.19 | nevcairiel | all i have is melee, defend, shield-breaker (or ranged) and charge |
| 13:04.57 | Dagmar | I've seen other people yelping about the difficulty in /1 on there |
| 13:05.01 | Dagmar | So I know it's not just me |
| 13:05.33 | Dagmar | Last week the first ones were easy, and then suddenly they upped the difficulty on the Valiants to where they were hard as hell to beat |
| 13:05.39 | Dagmar | The champions are well-nigh impossible |
| 13:05.56 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: you wouldnt have a wws of patch25 around? |
| 13:06.04 | Kalroth | urgh |
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| 13:06.40 | Kalroth | I got StasisCL |
| 13:06.43 | Kalroth | no WWS |
| 13:07.13 | nevcairiel | meh, i wanted to compare this weird TPS calculator for wws :P |
| 13:07.21 | Kalroth | oh |
| 13:07.39 | Kalroth | Well compare on DPS then? It should give you an idea then |
| 13:07.40 | Kalroth | http://stasiscl.elitism-guild.com/sws-patchwerk-1233858823/ |
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| 13:08.52 | nevcairiel | fun, our tank is like 800 dps lower |
| 13:09.45 | Kalroth | check HS, SS and Rev percentages |
| 13:10.01 | Kalroth | Donny got ~33% HS, ~23% SS and ~10% Rev |
| 13:10.09 | Kalroth | also he's DW spec :) |
| 13:10.11 | selckin | our tank goes full tps gear on patchwerk |
| 13:10.21 | selckin | which is like 40% dps gear |
| 13:11.29 | Kalroth | I don't think our tank bothers, he puts on some tanking TPS gear, but he doesn't use any dps gear |
| 13:12.36 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: to be fair that was an old log where he did more DPS than usual, checking other logs he does around 2500 DPS |
| 13:12.43 | selckin | our dps is starting to catch up to tps |
| 13:13.17 | Kalroth | Only fight we got issues with is Malygos, rest is fine |
| 13:13.58 | Kalroth | Of course, our dps is hardly amazing :P |
| 13:14.04 | nevcairiel | our DPS complained alot last week |
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| 13:14.14 | Kalroth | But we can do PW in less than 3 mins with 7 healers and 3 tanks |
| 13:14.25 | selckin | our tank does 3.2k dps on patchwork |
| 13:14.34 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: maybe your tank secretly spec'd fury :p |
| 13:14.39 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:15.02 | nevcairiel | I would even argue a warrior would do more TPS then, but make healers cry |
| 13:15.19 | selckin | http://wowwebstats.com/imsdipub2nmf3?s=305047-334411 |
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| 13:16.38 | nevcairiel | Our warriors shield slam seems to be really low on average values |
| 13:16.42 | nevcairiel | Yours are both around 2700 |
| 13:16.50 | nevcairiel | mine scratches 2000 |
| 13:17.18 | selckin | tps gear = more str = more block value |
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| 13:18.15 | nevcairiel | also, mine managed to nearly get 10% white-dmg in |
| 13:18.23 | nevcairiel | i don't think he was rage starved on patchwork |
| 13:18.39 | selckin | got blessing of sanctuary? |
| 13:18.45 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:20.18 | selckin | ours loved it when undergeared a bit |
| 13:20.33 | selckin | in full defensive gear |
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| 13:21.30 | nevcairiel | The worst thing is, our other warrior tank is even worse! |
| 13:26.05 | selckin | depends on gear alot too |
| 13:27.05 | selckin | very first naxx run http://wowwebstats.com/2l1nq2ycxyhzc?s=244631-288175 |
| 13:27.11 | selckin | :p |
| 13:28.13 | Kalroth | 700 dps |
| 13:28.14 | Kalroth | wat |
| 13:28.50 | selckin | Wed 03 December at 21:15 |
| 13:28.58 | Kalroth | aye :) |
| 13:29.09 | selckin | think he didn't even have weapon skill |
| 13:29.20 | Kalroth | You got lucky with the crit RNG on that first parse :p |
| 13:33.11 | zenzio | nevcairiel: a warrior's problem with Patchwerk isn't rage, it's cooldowns |
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| 13:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear! |
| 13:34.18 | |Jelly| | My router (I assume) doesn't like it when I transfer files between the computers. This file happens to be almost 3.5gb. /sigh |
| 13:34.25 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
| 13:36.23 | mikma | fisker-: you poop, that feature (hs) was requested |
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| 13:38.20 | alestane | |Jelly|: Not one Xista machine and one XP machine, is it? |
| 13:38.25 | alestane | Vista* |
| 13:38.38 | |Jelly| | 2x Vista |
| 13:38.50 | |Jelly| | ... and it just failed and started over. |
| 13:39.08 | alestane | Okay, because at least in the early days, network transfers between OSs were incredibly slow. |
| 13:39.42 | alestane | There's some command-line utility shipped with Vista that's supposed to copy files more quickly and reliably than Explorer or something. |
| 13:40.31 | alestane | Robocopy or something like that. |
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| 13:42.26 | Maldivia | alestane: that bug was fixed with sp1 |
| 13:42.44 | |Jelly| | And if that wasn't enough, it seems that the download failed at 92% |
| 13:43.29 | Maldivia | at the same time your router reset? |
| 13:44.07 | |Jelly| | No, it continued past that for ~1% |
| 13:44.13 | |Jelly| | It went from 91 to 92% |
| 13:44.22 | mikma | watchmen time in 15min! whee |
| 13:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yay watchmen |
| 13:47.04 | mikma | 8.3 in imdb, down from 8.4 =( still quite alot of points |
| 13:51.24 | Zyndrome | 77% @ rottentomatoes |
| 13:51.26 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 13:52.17 | Zyndrome | lawl 43% from top critics |
| 13:55.47 | Fisker- | i heard there are penises in it |
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| 13:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | Many of penii, from what I hear. |
| 14:01.01 | alestane | One of my friends said that it was a bit unusual that way...most of the nudity was male. |
| 14:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | And omg everyone says it's awful! |
| 14:02.14 | Lopeppeppy | ... but in reality, more analytical friends say it's as prevalent as boobs normally are, so people need to get over their gender biases. |
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| 14:05.33 | alestane | One of the first shots I remember seeing of on-screen nudity was Romeo's buns in some version of Romeo and Juliet. |
| 14:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. *laugh* |
| 14:06.31 | Lopeppeppy | I watched that version too, in middle school. We had to get permission slips from our parents! |
| 14:07.30 | alestane | For some reason, male nudity is considered less provocative, at least when it's not frontal. |
| 14:07.59 | alestane | Maybe that's because it's males controlling which opinions are voiced. |
| 14:08.15 | Lopeppeppy | From the reactions to Watchmen, I'd say it's *more* provocative! I haven't heard this much titter-titter since Basic Instinct (Is that the right title?) |
| 14:09.48 | alestane | That is, male backsides don't seem to bother as many people as female backsides, but male fronts bother people more than female fronts? Just my initial impression. I haven't actually watched the movie and probably won't any time soon, but Dr. Manhattan certainly walks around naked for plenty of the comic. |
| 14:10.05 | zenzio | suppose it depends on your definition of "bother" |
| 14:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | They're certainly all a twitter about the prevalence of the package. |
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| 14:11.21 | kraftman | is there a way to reverse the horizontal growth of a statusbar? :S |
| 14:11.39 | alestane | Grow from right to left? |
| 14:11.57 | kraftman | yup |
| 14:12.23 | alestane | That's roll-your-own right now AFAIK. |
| 14:12.55 | krka | here's the correct provocation order: female lower front, male lower front, female upper front, female lower back, male lower back, male upper front |
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| 14:13.20 | krka | these also vary slightly depending on viewing angle and lighting |
| 14:14.06 | alestane | That seems to be the majority trend. There's also more than one kind of provocation. |
| 14:14.42 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
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| 14:16.01 | alestane | Also depends at least somewhat on the gender and interests of the viewer. |
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| 14:19.17 | alestane | Morning, Seerah. |
| 14:19.24 | alestane | We were just discussing nudity. |
| 14:21.53 | krka | here's another parameter - attractiveness |
| 14:22.10 | krka | ugly and/or old is less provocative than young and/or pretty |
| 14:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | Not true, krka. Based on my measure of how long people talk about it. |
| 14:22.36 | alestane | I'd say rather that it's provocative of different responses. |
| 14:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | "Eeeeew, that was gross!" lasts just as long as "OMG, hot!" |
| 14:23.24 | krka | i was mostly talking about the context of upset and angry conservative parents |
| 14:23.42 | krka | also, gross is not the same as unattractive |
| 14:28.50 | kneeki | Gross gets people off |
| 14:29.15 | kneeki | I knew a guy while I was in the Navy, who could only get off on 'Gross' stuff... |
| 14:29.29 | kneeki | He tried showing me once, and I was curious |
| 14:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone has their own tastes. |
| 14:31.34 | Seerah | morning, alestane :) |
| 14:31.38 | Seerah | thanks for catching me up ;) |
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| 14:35.35 | alestane | I thought it would be a sufficiently random way to start your day. |
| 14:36.15 | Seerah | :D |
| 14:37.09 | krka | if god wanted nudity he wouldn't have invented animals for us to kill and cover up with |
| 14:37.43 | Lopeppeppy | A bit backward. But just as you say. |
| 14:37.53 | Seerah | how's this for old and hot? the original supermodel: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0geu7wWe7ZJVFcA94xXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&p=carmen%20dell%27orefice&y=Search&fr2=tab-web&fr=yfp-t-501 |
| 14:38.09 | krka | i see orefice in that url |
| 14:38.13 | kneeki | dell'orefice |
| 14:38.16 | kneeki | ^ awesome |
| 14:38.27 | alestane | Note: In Genesis, the LORD does create both Adam and Eve naked. They only clothe themselves after they defy his command and gain understanding from the fruit. |
| 14:38.38 | alestane | In fact, it's basically the first thing they do. |
| 14:39.06 | krka | hmm, didn't jesus die so we could all be nude again? |
| 14:39.56 | alestane | I won't stop you. |
| 14:39.58 | krka | naked cookies, or do you put toppings on them? |
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| 14:44.09 | alestane | Seerah: She carries herself quite well, yes. |
| 14:44.33 | Seerah | saw her on a GMA interview - one of Madoff's old friends/clients |
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| 15:08.06 | Daedals | quick question, how to get the tag of an NPC or mob |
| 15:08.19 | Daedals | like Koma <Banker> |
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| 15:13.23 | jnwhiteh | dont know that we have a way to do that |
| 15:13.29 | jnwhiteh | that's not UI that's the 3-d world |
| 15:13.50 | Daedals | I was thinking about that |
| 15:14.00 | Daedals | unit tooltips have it though |
| 15:14.36 | Ose | anyone have any good strategies for defeating the different valiants? the only "sure win" I can get is the nelves, but it takes so long :P |
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| 15:21.04 | Daedals | another question, about GUID |
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| 15:24.59 | Daedal2 | okayy I lost my internetz but im back |
| 15:25.02 | Daedal2 | so |
| 15:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | Where di you lose them too? |
| 15:25.16 | Daedal2 | how do I know from GUID that it is a pet of someone |
| 15:25.55 | Daedal2 | I know this from wowwiki: It's a pet if the upper bits masked with 0x00f = 0x004 |
| 15:26.23 | nevcairiel | The GUID doesnt tell you who the owner is |
| 15:26.28 | nevcairiel | if that is your question |
| 15:26.29 | Daedal2 | I know |
| 15:26.38 | Daedal2 | I just need to know if it a oet of anyone |
| 15:26.45 | Daedal2 | or more precisely |
| 15:26.52 | Daedal2 | I need to know that it is a creature |
| 15:26.58 | Daedal2 | not a player nor a pet |
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| 15:27.55 | nevcairiel | Just mask the GUID with 0x00F and cehck if its 0x003 |
| 15:28.28 | Daedal2 | how do I do that :D that is my problem |
| 15:28.35 | Daedal2 | the masking |
| 15:29.08 | Daedal2 | because im not familiar with hex |
| 15:29.19 | nevcairiel | Well for masking with 0x00F, you could simply use a substring |
| 15:29.27 | Daedal2 | or 64bit numbers or whatever they are |
| 15:29.29 | nevcairiel | so you don't need to worry about hex |
| 15:29.55 | Daedal2 | in wowwiki there is: 0xF53 & 0x00F = 0x003 |
| 15:30.07 | nevcairiel | Yeah they use a AND operation |
| 15:30.18 | Daedal2 | so all creature guids start with 0xF53 ? |
| 15:30.34 | nevcairiel | no, all create guids have a 3 at the third position |
| 15:30.39 | nevcairiel | the first two can change |
| 15:30.45 | Daedal2 | ok |
| 15:30.46 | Daedal2 | so |
| 15:30.58 | Daedal2 | I can just check if the 5th character in the string is 3? |
| 15:31.03 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 15:31.14 | Daedal2 | ok good :) |
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| 15:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | Hi, Jelly-dear! |
| 15:49.18 | Jelly-School | How are things? |
| 15:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | Eating lunch, wishing I could play WoW at work. I want to get to 78! |
| 15:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Needs new UI to level with. *tragic sigh* |
| 15:49.54 | alestane | What did you get at 75? |
| 15:50.02 | Jelly-School | Shield Slam |
| 15:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, a kick in the pants. |
| 15:50.11 | Jelly-School | pally shield slam that is |
| 15:50.32 | alestane | Sacred Shield or whatever it's called? |
| 15:51.02 | Jelly-School | Shield of the Righteousness |
| 15:52.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I got me some of that. :) Not like I use it a lot, but I have it! |
| 15:52.40 | alestane | Not so much use for a healer? |
| 15:53.07 | Jelly-School | http://thottbot.com/s53600 |
| 15:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | Not so much. But hey, I could taunt off a clothie for a bit. |
| 15:53.13 | Jelly-School | You got a new heal, Peppy! :P |
| 15:53.29 | alestane | They've made some more changes to the pally trees on the PTR now, and it looks like there are some interesting opportunities for a hybrid holy-prot healer-support build. |
| 15:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | I did, Jelly? What? |
| 15:54.02 | Jelly-School | http://thottbot.com/s48781 Holy Light(Rank 12) |
| 15:54.15 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. That's not a *new heal*, that's a new rank, dear. |
| 15:54.16 | Jelly-School | They need to leave prot alone. |
| 15:54.26 | Ose | thottbot? |
| 15:54.30 | Ose | bleeeeeh |
| 15:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | They need to unfuxxor Holy and leave Prot alone. |
| 15:54.40 | Jelly-School | agreed |
| 15:55.08 | Jelly-School | As it stands, block is broken; don't break it more by giving us stupid holy-esque abilities. |
| 15:55.39 | Lopeppeppy | And giving me a class ability that's based on my block value is a punch in the groin, honestly. What does a holy want with something based off my block value? |
| 15:56.07 | Jelly-School | For all the C++ people, a void function is just a function that has no return, correct? Instructions, etc? |
| 15:56.23 | alestane | Jelly-School: yes, a void function is not an expression. |
| 15:56.47 | Jelly-School | kk. I'm about to take my second computer programing exam and I think that was the only thing I was kinda o.O about. |
| 15:56.50 | ckknight | Jelly-School: right, it has no return value, functionally. |
| 15:56.53 | alestane | Other languages call it a procedure or a subroutine. |
| 15:57.04 | Jelly-School | I guess it's hard to wrap my head around something being able to give instructions, but it's not a return. lol |
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| 15:57.43 | Jelly-School | OH! CKK: How's PB4 coming along? I haven't pestered you about it but I read that raid frames are operational? (I raided all weekend so I didn't want to mess with my UI) |
| 15:57.51 | ckknight | yea, I did raid frames this weekend |
| 15:58.00 | ckknight | got filters in yesterday |
| 15:58.04 | ckknight | so it's pretty functional |
| 15:58.09 | ckknight | you gotta make the groups yourself, though |
| 15:58.10 | Jelly-School | woot! |
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| 15:58.15 | ckknight | but that should be pretty easy |
| 15:58.23 | Jelly-School | What do you mean? |
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| 15:58.31 | ckknight | go to groups |
| 15:58.33 | ckknight | create a new group |
| 15:58.37 | ckknight | set the unit group to "Raid" |
| 15:58.42 | ckknight | set any filters you want |
| 15:58.43 | ckknight | position |
| 15:58.43 | ckknight | etc. |
| 15:58.47 | Jelly-School | ahh |
| 15:59.03 | Jelly-School | I read that you created different setups (or whatever you call it) for 5-10-15-25-40 raids? |
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| 15:59.14 | ckknight | party, raid10, raid25, raid40 |
| 15:59.15 | ckknight | for now |
| 15:59.19 | ckknight | should I add more? |
| 15:59.19 | Jelly-School | woowoo |
| 15:59.22 | ckknight | I figured that would be enough. |
| 15:59.29 | Jelly-School | 15 might be nice, but I don't care; I don't pvp. :P |
| 15:59.38 | ckknight | when is 15? |
| 15:59.41 | ckknight | oh yea, Arathi |
| 15:59.43 | Jelly-School | Youhave me completely covered there and I thank you so much! My 10 man raids look funny. |
| 15:59.58 | ckknight | yea, but the idea is that you should be able to have a completely separate 10-man and 25-man setup. |
| 16:00.11 | Jelly-School | Yup and I'm so excited about it. |
| 16:00.31 | Jelly-School | I'm totally going to nerd out later on tonight. |
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| 16:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa |
| 16:00.50 | alestane | ...station |
| 16:01.03 | Jelly-School | Peppy: I'll send it to you; it's functional but the addon for the toggle switches hasn't been written. I had planned on writing that this week. |
| 16:01.24 | nevcairiel | I still think the real nerd uses oUF and evil Lua skillz :) |
| 16:01.30 | Jelly-School | Raiding and this stupid exam with my internet issues at home has kept me pretty frustrated. |
| 16:01.34 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:01.42 | Jelly-School | I thought about it until I read that PB4 does what I want to do. |
| 16:02.04 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: oUF is really lightweight - but you gotta have the mad lua skillz bitches. |
| 16:02.20 | nevcairiel | oUF is as lightweight as you want it to be |
| 16:02.31 | nevcairiel | i've seen really big layouts :D |
| 16:02.58 | Jelly-School | The problem is I'm fickle. I change my PitBull midraid most of the time. |
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| 16:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | I can wait, Peppy's just not known for patience, I'm all bugging you! |
| 16:03.07 | Lunessa | Heh. I suppose - Raid targets, target's targets ... it could get ugly in a hury. |
| 16:03.07 | ckknight | Jelly-School: hehe |
| 16:03.11 | Lunessa | hurry. |
| 16:03.29 | Jelly-School | oh god |
| 16:04.00 | ckknight | ? |
| 16:04.34 | Jelly-School | I just thought of trying to (as I've done before) change an oUF setting mid fight. You have to reload for changes to take effect, right? |
| 16:04.54 | Jelly-School | Well, I haven't changed oUF but I have changed PitBull both while tanking and healing. lol |
| 16:05.05 | Lunessa | Don't get me wrong. I liked Pitbull3 - but my machine is aging and I needed something that processed /faster/ to cure this nagging FPS issue. I'm hoping 3.1 changes make some other things I use faster too. |
| 16:05.15 | Jelly-School | Lately though PB3's config hasn't been working while in an actual raid. It's made me sad faced. |
| 16:05.39 | ckknight | Lunessa: PB4 should be faster |
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| 16:06.58 | Lunessa | ckknight: Yeah, I figured it would be since there are many fundamental changes. :) |
| 16:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | I really need to post my stuff on the Tech Support forum and try to get some answers why my desktop flickers and freezes Wrath. |
| 16:07.37 | Jelly-School | So I got my hair cut like a week and a half ago and have taken ~10 showers since then ... and just now, a bunch of perfectly cut (Note: shorter than my hair is) hairs just fell out of my head. /sigh |
| 16:08.06 | Jelly-School | I'm telling you Lunessa, PB4 is gonna be seeeexxxxxx! ... and beer ... at the SAME TIME. |
| 16:08.28 | Jelly-School | Ok so I think I've really only expressed my excitement to Peppy and Kamdis but I'm telling you now. |
| 16:08.46 | Lunessa | Jelly-School: Like you I once was, like me you will be. |
| 16:09.40 | Jelly-School | http://sciencetraveler.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/lolcat_what.jpg |
| 16:10.06 | Lunessa | If your hair is falling out, then you will be bald like me. |
| 16:10.15 | Jelly-School | noooooo |
| 16:10.26 | Lopeppeppy | Stoner-cat! |
| 16:12.19 | Jelly-School | BTW Lunessa, remember that program I had to write to take a number between 1 and 18,000 and turn those seconds into hours, minutes and seconds? |
| 16:12.37 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 16:13.09 | Jelly-School | Well, I got points deducted for using something that we hadn't learned yet: if, then, etc. I thought it was freaking retarded that I took something I knew from another application and applied it to the problem at hand to get the answer and then get points taken off for it. |
| 16:13.45 | Jelly-School | People were qqing on the class forums cause we hadn't learned if/then yet and sure enough ... I get screwed for figuring it out. /facepalmdeskwall |
| 16:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | That's just friggin' stupid, Jelly. Your professor should be shot. |
| 16:14.20 | Lunessa | Welcome to the desert of the real world. |
| 16:15.16 | Jelly-School | What's wrong with MacGyvering if it comes to the correct answer? |
| 16:15.44 | Jelly-School | ... and in this case, I didn't even MacGyver it. I gave her the correct answer. :( |
| 16:15.49 | Lopeppeppy | do not ever, ever punish your students for being smarter than the average asshat who walks into the classroom. |
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| 16:17.52 | [Ammo] | unless the assignment was actually to discover algorithms that dont use if/then |
| 16:18.12 | [Ammo] | seconds = number % 60 |
| 16:18.18 | [Ammo] | number = number - seconds |
| 16:18.29 | [Ammo] | minutes = number % 60 |
| 16:18.31 | [Ammo] | anyway |
| 16:18.36 | [Ammo] | you get the drift |
| 16:18.53 | [Ammo] | with some / in there probably but I am braindead atm |
| 16:18.53 | Jelly-School | "Since we have not covered the selection statement(if-then-else) you should not use it in this program. They gave us a range of 0-18,000 to work with but right now we do not have the "tools" we need to check for range." Her notes to me. |
| 16:19.53 | selckin | never show you're smarter then the teacher, its bad |
| 16:19.55 | [Ammo] | hrmf |
| 16:20.26 | Lopeppeppy | She still sucks. |
| 16:20.44 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 16:20.46 | Lopeppeppy | She could ask you to re-work the problem using only the tools she expects, but she shouldn't penalize you for being smart. |
| 16:20.54 | [Ammo] | my approach was wrongish as well |
| 16:20.58 | [Ammo] | I should go fetch my coffee |
| 16:22.01 | Jelly-School | http://www.pastey.net/109855-44ec Note: This was before we learned void functions :P |
| 16:22.34 | nevcairiel | what would void functions change? |
| 16:22.50 | nevcairiel | main should always return an int, fwiw |
| 16:23.24 | Jelly-School | Well, technically couldn't I have made the "please blah blah blah" a void function outside of the main function and have it call it? |
| 16:23.35 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 16:24.01 | Jelly-School | I guess I don't know C++ best practices and Shirik's face explodes cause I write this stuff the way she wants it written. :P |
| 16:24.10 | Jelly-School | He gave me shit for line 2. hehe |
| 16:24.23 | Jelly-School | I don't recall what he wanted me to use instead but I remember he was all o.O about it. |
| 16:24.38 | nevcairiel | he probably wants you to reference the stuff directly |
| 16:24.42 | nevcairiel | std::cout |
| 16:24.46 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 16:25.02 | Jelly-School | He would. Jerkface. |
| 16:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | I should terrorize y'all someday with Peppy's Perfect Playlist. |
| 16:27.53 | Jelly-School | Dare I ask: WTF? |
| 16:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly! |
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| 16:29.10 | durcyn | Hasselhoff isn't -that- bad of a singer. |
| 16:31.43 | Lopeppeppy | J Coulton has awesome christmas songs |
| 16:32.48 | Lopeppeppy | No More Tears shampoo! |
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| 16:36.53 | Jelly-School | So I just listened to a girl talk shit about her boyfriend for playing WoW instead of hanging out with her. The way she talked about him, I think he made the right choice. |
| 16:38.14 | alestane | I mean, you know how much concentration it takes to fly those scouts. |
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| 16:41.31 | Jelly-School | Anywho, I guess I'm going to go take my test now. Take care everyone; I'll be back when I get home afterwards. |
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| 16:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | Good luck, Jelly |
| 16:42.00 | Jelly-School | <3 |
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| 16:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It just isn't fair |
| 16:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 50F on Sunday |
| 16:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Today we have 3" of snow |
| 16:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | Do want. |
| 16:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | Do not want |
| 16:53.04 | alestane | That was us. |
| 16:53.25 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: that's your punishment for using Fahrenheit |
| 16:53.50 | Lopeppeppy | AFK, sheeple! |
| 16:54.06 | zenzelezz | stop calling us sheeple :( |
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| 16:54.43 | Lunessa | 86F here. 75F tomorrow. |
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| 17:16.01 | ZorbaTHut | argh people are terrible at arguing game balance. no, warrior stances are *not* inferior to death knight presences solely because "defensive and berserker stances have penalties, and death knight presences don't have penalties" |
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| 17:18.15 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/09/funny-pictures-ill-take-one-eskimo-pie/ |
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| 17:21.07 | Wesley_ | good morning, afternoon, evening |
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| 17:24.09 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: indeed it was you, but sadly, you didn't take all of the snow before passing it on to us |
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| 17:26.48 | Lyn | haste, got error fixed now :) thanks for your reply... that was the point |
| 17:27.44 | Wesley_ | can't even get the first assignment of the wow programmingbook (CombatTracker) to work :p |
| 17:30.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Wesley_: I'll say that you will happily get help here, but also mention #wowprogramming |
| 17:30.55 | Wesley_ | thx |
| 17:31.00 | haste | Lyn: easier to solve when you have all the code :) |
| 17:31.40 | Lyn | haste, tbh i never thought that it would be a problem if the .xml is loaded after.. but now i know better :) |
| 17:33.06 | Lyn | now i have to update ouf and my layout :o |
| 17:36.25 | haste | it's always better to give all the information you can |
| 17:37.07 | haste | most of the question people post regarding oUF I answer based on assumptions I make, which doesn't really help in many cases :p |
| 17:37.54 | Shirik | What do you guys think. "If a program goes beyond its memory segment a... |
| 17:38.00 | Shirik | (a) segmentation fault is raised |
| 17:38.08 | Shirik | (b) general protection fault is raised |
| 17:38.10 | Shirik | pick one |
| 17:38.14 | mikma | c |
| 17:38.25 | mikma | (hey, someone had to say it) |
| 17:38.30 | Shirik | (a) is more recognizable, but (b) is OS-independent |
| 17:38.32 | foxlit | (c) it goes back to its box and doesn't come out 'till it's ready. |
| 17:39.29 | nevcairiel | I would always expect a segmentation fault, because i know what it means =P |
| 17:40.13 | nevcairiel | memory segment, segmentation fault .. even similar words in there! |
| 17:51.46 | Lyn | haste, the reaction you readded in ouf.. is it based on same numbers as UnitReaction() was/is? like 1 (hated) till 8 (exalted)? |
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| 17:52.42 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.iheartchaos.com/sites/default/files/periodic_2.jpg |
| 17:53.00 | haste | Lyn: it uses UnitReaction |
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| 17:53.11 | Lyn | ah okay, thanks :) |
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| 18:18.04 | Tekkub | Adys would be happy... |
| 18:18.19 | Adys | you found a dildo that looks like a screwdriver? |
| 18:18.36 | Tekkub | I had a dream last night about installing a battery in an airplane |
| 18:18.46 | Tekkub | and the instructions called for a doubleneded dildo |
| 18:19.26 | Lunessa | ... Tekkub, you need to lay of the pr0n before bed. |
| 18:19.40 | Tekkub | dude I had no porn, that's probably why |
| 18:19.49 | Lunessa | Oh, in that case, carry on. |
| 18:20.16 | Tekkub | last time I didn't... I dreamt that I walked in on a friend wanking |
| 18:20.20 | Tekkub | bu the was a tauren |
| 18:20.33 | Tekkub | and when he came it was like a firehose and knocked me over |
| 18:20.45 | Tekkub | my brain is weird |
| 18:22.46 | Fisker- | Dreaming about cow level runs ftw |
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| 18:25.10 | Fisker- | lets kill shiw |
| 18:25.11 | Fisker- | damn |
| 18:25.12 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 18:28.40 | |Jelly| | to the face? |
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| 18:49.34 | |Jelly| | Did someone from WoW get pissed off and make Runes of Magic? The games look ... almost identical: http://www.mmorpg-center.com/images/Runes%20of%20Magic-preview.jpg |
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| 18:50.39 | alestane | That's what we like to call an "homage". |
| 18:50.49 | |Jelly| | heh |
| 18:50.49 | Adys | doesnt look identical but wow |
| 18:50.55 | alestane | i.e., an attempt to rip something off without actually being liable for infringement. |
| 18:50.56 | Adys | if thats not arathi highlands ill cut my hand |
| 18:51.27 | |Jelly| | "perhaps the first monster I saw taken down in the demo I attended this morning was a minotaur creature called a Tauren Patrolman." |
| 18:51.45 | |Jelly| | "While at times it stretches the very limit of the word homage, Runes of Magic isn't a WoW clone. " kek speak of the DEVIL WORD! |
| 18:52.19 | Adys | no but this is arathi |
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| 18:59.18 | Shirik | I have a severe problem :/ |
| 18:59.26 | mikma | i had too |
| 18:59.36 | mikma | until i bought house season 3 dvd box |
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| 18:59.40 | mikma | solved. |
| 18:59.43 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/109875 |
| 18:59.49 | |Jelly| | me too. this game patching keeps popping up ontop of wow |
| 18:59.56 | Shirik | It took 22 seconds to realize it can't delete the files |
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| 19:05.28 | ReAn[Laptop] | Anyone know where in FrameXML character/player/enemy nameplates are done? |
| 19:08.10 | Adys | directly in C, for most of it |
| 19:08.40 | Adys | or whatever they use for it, well not accessible anyway |
| 19:09.12 | Dagmar | It doesn't fall out with all the other pieces when you extract the interface elements? |
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| 19:11.06 | Gnarfoz | he's saying it's not *there* |
| 19:12.05 | ReAn[Laptop] | I guess ill just have to search for them |
| 19:12.07 | ReAn[Laptop] | or something |
| 19:16.45 | Gnarfoz | he's saying you won't find much, if anything |
| 19:16.48 | Gnarfoz | :X |
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| 19:19.05 | Kraps | mikma: heard that the next episode will be from the patients pov? |
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| 19:22.51 | mikma | kraps: nope |
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| 19:28.34 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print() |
| 19:28.34 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 19:28.36 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print("this") |
| 19:28.36 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 19:28.43 | [L4E]Flowy | lags :D |
| 19:28.55 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(nil) |
| 19:28.55 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: nil |
| 19:29.05 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> this=nil; print(this) |
| 19:29.05 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: nil |
| 19:29.20 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> this=false; print(this) |
| 19:29.20 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: false |
| 19:29.25 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm? |
| 19:30.59 | [L4E]Flowy | ok ... is there something for sorting? |
| 19:33.59 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if nil then print("false") |
| 19:33.59 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:34.01 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if nil then print("false") end |
| 19:34.02 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 19:34.15 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if nil then print("false") else print("true") end |
| 19:34.15 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: true |
| 19:34.20 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if true then print("false") else print("true") end |
| 19:34.21 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: false |
| 19:34.30 | Tekkub | dude, take it to pm |
| 19:34.42 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm how |
| 19:34.59 | Tekkub | the bot replies to PMs :P |
| 19:35.06 | [L4E]Flowy | and do you know any command for sorting? |
| 19:35.16 | Tekkub | table.sort |
| 19:35.34 | Tekkub | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 19:35.51 | Torhal | Tekkub: l2r? |
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| 19:36.14 | Tekkub | lern2rotationalmomentum? sure |
| 19:36.22 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 19:37.59 | Tekkub | damnit newegg, shit my shits, I want screwPS to deliver it Friday |
| 19:38.06 | Tekkub | *ship |
| 19:38.15 | durcyn | shit your ships? |
| 19:38.20 | durcyn | poop deck? |
| 19:38.32 | Tekkub | stop abusing my typos! |
| 19:38.54 | Tekkub | oh yea it says shipped on the site, but no tracking number yet |
| 19:38.58 | [L4E]Flowy | do anyone known why are my name bar in xperl filling with collor when im dmging? |
| 19:38.59 | Tekkub | yatta! |
| 19:39.26 | Zeksie | flowy, prolly sunders, or winter's chill or something |
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| 19:39.38 | [L4E]Flowy | what? |
| 19:39.42 | [L4E]Flowy | no im priest |
| 19:40.03 | [L4E]Flowy | when healing then the collor is green |
| 19:40.09 | [L4E]Flowy | when damaging then red |
| 19:40.10 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 19:40.22 | Zeksie | shadow vulnerability then |
| 19:40.27 | [L4E]Flowy | holy ... |
| 19:40.34 | [L4E]Flowy | and what mean this color? |
| 19:40.35 | Zeksie | oh. the borders? |
| 19:40.41 | Zeksie | thought you meant the name bar |
| 19:40.42 | [L4E]Flowy | no just bar with name |
| 19:40.45 | [L4E]Flowy | and faction |
| 19:40.58 | Zeksie | the borders will flash red/green for dmg/healing. on all frames |
| 19:41.11 | [L4E]Flowy | no borders |
| 19:41.22 | [L4E]Flowy | and its filling with color |
| 19:41.41 | [L4E]Flowy | its cutted into three part |
| 19:41.49 | [L4E]Flowy | sometimes into half |
| 19:41.54 | Zeksie | no idea what you mean then. sure it's x-perl? screen shot. i'll look later. doing Undying atm |
| 19:41.58 | [L4E]Flowy | it looks like agro or what |
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| 19:42.15 | [L4E]Flowy | ok moment |
| 19:42.43 | Thunder_Child | it's simple, when you heal it is green when they take dmg it is red. |
| 19:42.53 | Thunder_Child | regardless of what/where it is |
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| 19:46.03 | [L4E]Flowy | Zeksie you was right hmm on my mage the name bar of target is filling with green when winters chill |
| 19:46.12 | [L4E]Flowy | but i saw this on priest too |
| 19:46.22 | [L4E]Flowy | and im holy i dont have any debuffs like this |
| 19:48.06 | Kirov | make |
| 19:48.12 | Kirov | mt |
| 19:48.28 | Tekkub | error: cannot find makefile |
| 19:48.56 | Thunder_Child | anyone know offhand what lvl items will give arcane dust? |
| 19:49.24 | Tekkub | TC, http://www.wowwiki.com/Disenchanting_tables |
| 19:49.58 | Tekkub | 100-120 armor's your best shot |
| 19:50.03 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> t = { 3,2,5,1,4 }; table.sort(t) |
| 19:50.03 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 19:50.11 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> t = { 3,2,5,1,4 }; print(table.sort(t)) |
| 19:50.11 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 19:50.14 | Thunder_Child | thanks Tekkub |
| 19:50.25 | Tekkub | lua> t = { 3,2,5,1,4 }; table.sort(t) print(t) |
| 19:50.26 | lua_bot | Tekkub: table: 0x80aaa08 |
| 19:50.31 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 19:50.45 | [L4E]Flowy | what is 0x...? |
| 19:51.02 | Tekkub | we have to revoke your programmer's license now |
| 19:51.08 | [L4E]Flowy | :) |
| 19:51.11 | Tekkub | lua> t = { 3,2,5,1,4 }; table.sort(t) print(table.concat(t)) |
| 19:51.12 | lua_bot | Tekkub: 12345 |
| 19:51.14 | [L4E]Flowy | i dont have :D |
| 19:51.33 | [L4E]Flowy | when i have table |
| 19:51.58 | [L4E]Flowy | moment :) |
| 19:52.10 | Dewin | 0x is a notation meaning you're looking at a hexadecimal number basically. 0b denotes binary, a leading 0 by itself denotes octal. |
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| 19:52.50 | [L4E]Flowy | table = { raid1 = { roll = 2 }, raid2 = { roll = 1 } } |
| 19:53.09 | Tekkub | hash tables don't keep order, sort means nothing to them |
| 19:53.10 | [L4E]Flowy | how to get lowest roll? |
| 19:53.24 | Tekkub | iter over it and find the lowest one |
| 19:53.42 | Dewin | Isn't there a sort function that takes a user-defined comparator? |
| 19:53.55 | [L4E]Flowy | and when there is roll 3 how to get roll 2? |
| 19:53.57 | Tekkub | Dewin, it still doesn't work on hash tables |
| 19:54.39 | Dewin | my lua is rusty, so in p-code: sortfunc(a,b) if a.roll < b.roll return a else return b wouldn't work? |
| 19:54.59 | [L4E]Flowy | ie. ... what function use damage meters when sorting in table by damage |
| 19:54.59 | Dewin | though... it's kind of irrelevant, if you just want the lowest you're wasting time sorting the list. |
| 19:55.19 | Dewin | Tekkub: Ohh.. |
| 19:57.41 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> this = ""; if this print("true") end |
| 19:57.41 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: luabot:1: 'then' expected near 'print' |
| 19:57.46 | Tekkub | local val, idx = math.huge; for i,v in pairs(t) do if v.roll < val then va, idx = v.roll, i end end |
| 19:57.48 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> this = ""; if this then print("true") end |
| 19:57.49 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: true |
| 19:57.54 | Tekkub | if idx then... |
| 19:57.58 | Zeksie | flowy: it muight still show shadow vulnerabilty if you're a priest, and there's another in raid doing that. |
| 19:59.02 | [L4E]Flowy | what is math.huge? |
| 19:59.18 | [L4E]Flowy | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_functions#Math_Functions |
| 20:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | >> math.huge |
| 20:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> math.huge |
| 20:00.11 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: inf |
| 20:00.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ there you are |
| 20:01.12 | [L4E]Flowy | what is "inf" hmm |
| 20:01.56 | haste | lua> 1/0 |
| 20:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ... infinity |
| 20:01.56 | lua_bot | haste: inf |
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| 20:03.12 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local this; if this ~= "" then print("this") end |
| 20:03.12 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 20:03.31 | Shirik | [L4E]Flowy: I get the feeling you need to read pil |
| 20:03.34 | Shirik | badly |
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| 20:04.21 | Torhal | Shirik: Why not "The Mythical Man Month"? :D |
| 20:04.52 | [L4E]Flowy | is there something that return false when this is "" and false when this is nil? |
| 20:05.03 | [L4E]Flowy | i dont want "and" |
| 20:05.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ThatReturn to results i |
| 20:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | err sorry |
| 20:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That is a bit of a contradiction |
| 20:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Because |
| 20:05.31 | ScytheBlade1 | when this is "" and false when this is nil <-- your said "and" |
| 20:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | right there |
| 20:05.40 | alestane | That's really your best bet though, 'this and this ~= ""' |
| 20:06.07 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm ok but my pc is low :D |
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| 20:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... irrelevant |
| 20:06.18 | Torhal | ...why wouldn't you want "and"? It's logical. |
| 20:06.18 | Shirik | Okay, C gurus |
| 20:06.26 | [L4E]Flowy | elseif (event=="CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" and strmatch(arg1,"rolls") and MLootItemName:GetText()) then |
| 20:06.27 | Shirik | Why is sizeof(Traf) 3 instead of 2 |
| 20:06.29 | Shirik | http://cpp.pastey.net/109880 |
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| 20:07.06 | [L4E]Flowy | because i must call gettext second time |
| 20:07.15 | selckin | that looks nonstandard |
| 20:07.39 | Torhal | [L4E]Flowy: local mname = MLootItemName:GetText() |
| 20:07.46 | Shirik | __attribute__ is nonstandard, yes, it's a gcc extension |
| 20:07.52 | alestane | [L4E]Flowy: You want to assign the GetText to a local then. |
| 20:07.57 | Torhal | elseif (event=="CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" and strmatch(arg1,"rolls") and mname) then |
| 20:08.35 | [L4E]Flowy | or i can define text in string on start :D yeah |
| 20:08.41 | Torhal | WHy the hell IS that 3 instead of 2... |
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| 20:09.51 | [L4E]Flowy | can i make layers in frame realtime? |
| 20:09.56 | [L4E]Flowy | i mean when i need it i create it |
| 20:10.16 | [L4E]Flowy | with "for ... do..." |
| 20:10.53 | Torhal | Bad idea, since frames cannot be destroyed. Best bet is to pre-allocate and anchor/display in the loop. |
| 20:11.12 | alestane | Shirik: Does it change at all if you reorder the bitfields? |
| 20:11.46 | [L4E]Flowy | i have 25 font strings and its all same but one dimension |
| 20:12.02 | [L4E]Flowy | <FontString name="$parentHeader" inherits="StringTemplate"> |
| 20:12.05 | [L4E]Flowy | <Anchors><Anchor point="TOPLEFT" relativeTo="MLoot"><Offset><AbsDimension x="12" y="-25"/></Offset></Anchor></Anchors> |
| 20:12.08 | [L4E]Flowy | </FontString> |
| 20:12.10 | [L4E]Flowy | <FontString name="$parentRaid1" inherits="StringTemplate"> |
| 20:12.13 | [L4E]Flowy | <Anchors><Anchor point="TOPLEFT" relativeTo="MLoot"><Offset><AbsDimension x="12" y="-40"/></Offset></Anchor></Anchors> |
| 20:12.15 | Torhal | Dude |
| 20:12.18 | Torhal | Spammage |
| 20:12.21 | [L4E]Flowy | no |
| 20:13.09 | Torhal | Look up CreateFrame() and SetPoint() |
| 20:13.17 | Torhal | Nobody really uses XML anymore. |
| 20:13.25 | Tekkub | Zoot does :P |
| 20:13.26 | foxlit | grr |
| 20:13.35 | Kirov | Bizzard does, some people do |
| 20:13.49 | Tekkub | "some people" |
| 20:13.54 | Torhal | He was talking about making the frames in a for loop - you cannot do that in XML. |
| 20:13.57 | Tekkub | some people cut themselves too |
| 20:14.08 | foxlit | sigh, layers, not frames. |
| 20:14.30 | Tekkub | you don't make layers :P |
| 20:15.30 | foxlit | "Interface\FrameXML\RestrictedExecution.lua : 875: Cannot call restricted closure from insecure code" |
| 20:15.43 | foxlit | I wonder what the heck I must taint to do that :/ |
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| 20:16.30 | foxlit | (considering that path is supposed to be secure -- an override binding to a click a protected button) |
| 20:16.55 | alestane | I'd have to see the code. |
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| 20:17.57 | Eggi | is it possible to sync the wowi svn with another svn? |
| 20:17.57 | foxlit | alestane: I'm not sure whether that'd help. I can paste it if you'd like to look at it, but it seems annoyingly elusive. |
| 20:18.49 | alestane | You've tried taintlogging? |
| 20:18.57 | foxlit | I can't replicate it -- at all. |
| 20:18.59 | haste | Eggi: with svnsync, yes |
| 20:19.18 | foxlit | Though I suppose I could tell people to turn that on :) |
| 20:19.46 | foxlit | (working theory is that it's some bizarre conflict, but it'd have to be rather bizarre to account for the symptoms :/) |
| 20:22.00 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/109884-acf4 is the relevant secure* code, but it's rather lengthy. |
| 20:23.21 | alestane | foxlit: I'm a little puzzled by line 4, there, where you spawn something from SecureFrameTemplate. Are you expecting to wrap its empty scripts? |
| 20:25.32 | foxlit | alestane: no |
| 20:26.02 | alestane | And while I haven't touched it for a while, I think "control:RunFor(self, body)" is basically the same as "control:Run(body)". |
| 20:26.41 | foxlit | alestane: I only use that frame as the owner for bindings that are more transient in nature -- using that frame enables me to do :ClearBindings() and flush all of the transient ones without affecting the more permanent ones. |
| 20:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, everyone! |
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| 20:26.58 | foxlit | I thought :Run ran things with self == header. |
| 20:27.05 | foxlit | Whereas this runs with self == button being clicked. |
| 20:27.12 | alestane | That's a possibility. |
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| 20:28.35 | [L4E]Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109886 |
| 20:28.35 | alestane | Without some debugging information I can't see anything obvious. |
| 20:28.35 | [L4E]Flowy | i think that z = i |
| 20:28.50 | foxlit | Exactly my problem. |
| 20:29.31 | foxlit | There were also reports of "Cannot insecurely modify restricted table" style errors, but that just signifies the same basic problem: something tainted the execution path. |
| 20:30.37 | foxlit | Though, correct me if I'm wrong, that would only happen if the restricted environment code actually ran my closure (and this would require the current execution path to be secure)... which then tried to modify a restricted table. |
| 20:32.26 | Eggi | is it possible to use the svnsync command with tortoise? can't find anything about it |
| 20:32.35 | foxlit | (would taintlog actually help against those issues? Thought it only applied to "xyz action blocked" system errors.) |
| 20:33.29 | alestane | It might help in level 2 |
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| 20:36.03 | Shirik | for thoseo f you that were looking at my problem |
| 20:36.04 | Shirik | found the issue |
| 20:36.17 | Shirik | GCC, for some reason, ignores the "packed" attribute on chars. I just needed to change the type to int |
| 20:37.30 | selckin | sizeof(char) == 1 by definition, always, afaik |
| 20:38.28 | [L4E]Flowy | NotifyInspect() ... what do this function when I open it x-time? |
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| 20:41.53 | Shirik | selckin: But it's not a char |
| 20:41.56 | Shirik | It's a bitfield |
| 20:41.59 | Shirik | the type is mostly meaningless |
| 20:42.10 | Shirik | This "issue" is actually fixed in 4.4, but I'm on 4.3 so I just changed to int |
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| 20:52.50 | Tem | Anyone here read all of the Sword of Truth books? |
| 20:53.19 | kneeki | Tem: I have |
| 20:53.26 | kneeki | Back in high school |
| 20:53.43 | Tem | I'm just finishing Soul of the Fire and I want to know if I should continue |
| 20:54.05 | Tekkub | insert sword of a thousand truths joke |
| 20:54.10 | kneeki | lol |
| 20:54.17 | Tem | I think my biggest annoyance is the way Richard is such an epic fail wizard |
| 20:54.28 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 20:54.34 | Tem | does he stop failing at some point or should I just quit now? |
| 20:54.55 | kneeki | oh wait, I odn't think I've read that one |
| 20:54.59 | kneeki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Truth |
| 20:55.06 | kneeki | I read ... uhm... |
| 20:55.25 | kneeki | Some series with a Wizard named Allon or something of the sort, with the same 'sword of truth' |
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| 20:55.54 | Tem | bah |
| 20:56.02 | kneeki | Terry Brooks |
| 20:56.03 | kneeki | is the author |
| 20:56.23 | Shirik | rawr |
| 20:56.27 | kneeki | Sword of Shannara, that's the one. |
| 20:56.28 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:56.38 | kneeki | Same 'truths' type things in it. Sorry for the confusion |
| 20:56.52 | Tem | Gryphen, you're such a bot |
| 20:56.58 | Gryphen | ya |
| 21:01.12 | Tem | ~exception Shirik |
| 21:01.13 | purl | ACTION tries to throw a NullPointerException at Shirik. |
| 21:01.35 | Tem | someone changed that |
| 21:01.40 | Shirik | and yes, they did |
| 21:01.56 | Shirik | ~factinfo cmd: exception (.*?) |
| 21:01.56 | purl | cmd: exception (.*?) -- last modified at Thu May 18 23:38:09 2006 by Tem!n=Tem@204.90.50.252; it has been requested 3 times, last by Tem, 43s ago. |
| 21:02.02 | Shirik | you changed it! |
| 21:02.13 | Tem | that surprizes me |
| 21:02.29 | Shirik | no, that can't be right |
| 21:02.37 | Shirik | it definitely wasn't that in 2006 |
| 21:02.53 | Tem | I'm pretty sure I didn't change it to "tries to" |
| 21:02.53 | Tem | ever |
| 21:03.38 | Shirik | yah |
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| 21:09.18 | MentalPower | ~literal cmd: exception (.*?) |
| 21:09.19 | purl | "cmd: exception (.*?)" is "($1): <action>tries to throw a NullPointerException at $1." |
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| 21:16.08 | Ose | *applehate* |
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| 21:28.57 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local this; if this == 0 then print("this") end |
| 21:28.58 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 21:29.52 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 21:30.36 | [L4E]Flowy | i found bug hmm |
| 21:30.49 | haste | in what? |
| 21:31.12 | [L4E]Flowy | why if (MLootRaid[i]["name"] == 0) then return true if i define just MLootRaid as table nothing more |
| 21:31.43 | [L4E]Flowy | for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers() do |
| 21:31.43 | [L4E]Flowy | if (MLootRaid[i]["name"] == 0) then |
| 21:34.04 | [L4E]Flowy | ah ok |
| 21:34.16 | [L4E]Flowy | sry :) i call "reset" function before this |
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| 21:40.28 | Shirik | [L4E]Flowy, as I said before, you need to read pil |
| 21:40.29 | Shirik | urgently |
| 21:41.21 | nevcairiel | We should start a WoWI Charity Fund to send out free copys of the PiL or WoWProgramming to people |
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| 21:46.28 | Cide | fuck no |
| 21:46.55 | Cide | we'd be increasing the sales by 500% just to get started |
| 21:47.03 | nevcairiel | We should start a WoWI Charity Fund to feed Cide for slapping people with the pil link |
| 21:47.07 | nevcairiel | fixed ^? |
| 21:47.12 | Cide | works for me |
| 22:05.59 | [L4E]Flowy | what is 11th arg in "CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" ? |
| 22:07.09 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm its look like number of chat msg |
| 22:11.27 | Ose | hmm... |
| 22:12.36 | sacarasc | mingw? |
| 22:13.18 | Shirik | g++ |
| 22:15.03 | |Jelly| | Dev C++ *waits for Shirik to assplode* |
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| 22:15.58 | zenzelezz | Dev C++ is just a front-end for mingw |
| 22:16.13 | Shirik | no |
| 22:16.19 | Shirik | it's shit disguised as a front-end for mingw |
| 22:16.28 | zenzelezz | true |
| 22:17.09 | zenzelezz | you could try the Qt one, QtCreator or whatever it's called... uses GCC, and the editor seems quite decent. Not sure about the details around it |
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| 22:38.27 | Lunessa | Learning Photoshop is like going to vocational school. |
| 22:39.51 | |Jelly| | inorite |
| 22:42.49 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2009/03/chimps-are-weaponizing |
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| 22:54.33 | Lunessa | Welcome to yesterday |
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| 23:18.19 | mikma | gah |
| 23:18.31 | mikma | trying to find out your long lost icq = not fun :D |
| 23:20.02 | Lunessa | mikma: Don't bother. The ids are free. |
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| 23:20.13 | Lunessa | Also - Lunessa is a mean f'er - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443531710&sid=1 |
| 23:20.47 | Kaso | icq don't even use numbered ids any more do they? |
| 23:20.56 | mikma | lunessa: they are free sure, but i'm still not sure do i need that shit anyway lolo, was just trying to remember it / find it out with emails |
| 23:21.33 | Lunessa | Ah. I have had, and forgotten more ICQ numbers/Ids than is healthy. |
| 23:21.42 | mikma | lol :) |
| 23:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i misread 'mean' as 'man' >.> |
| 23:22.50 | Lunessa | It's funny, 'cause the ICQ guys got the ID from seeing the AOL client's IM feature, then AOL bought them. Ahhh... the early days of commercial access to the 'net. |
| 23:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm still technically signed on to icq. |
| 23:24.01 | Lunessa | People who whine "I need a macro" and "it doesn't work." piss me off. |
| 23:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | with the same good old 7 digit number i've had since i started |
| 23:25.06 | mikma | *cry* they wanted LDB, I added it. Now they want ButtonFuck -support :( |
| 23:25.29 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why you never give the users what they want. |
| 23:25.49 | mikma | yeah, LDB increased the .zip size from 2k to 7k already |
| 23:26.21 | mikma | i should have just skipped the libs and made it so: if LDB found, then load the ldb-shit in my addon |
| 23:26.27 | mikma | if no ldb, tough luck. |
| 23:27.04 | Cide | let me ask tho |
| 23:27.11 | Cide | who cares about 5kb? |
| 23:27.18 | Cide | nobody |
| 23:27.18 | mikma | i dooooooooo! |
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| 23:27.21 | Cide | nobody sane |
| 23:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ it's true, i don't! |
| 23:27.46 | mikma | i am not sane |
| 23:28.00 | Lunessa | I think that was the point. |
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| 23:29.29 | mikma | good point, then. |
| 23:29.49 | Tem | haha |
| 23:29.51 | Tem | awesome quote: |
| 23:30.08 | Tem | "I have CDO. it's like OCD but it's in alphabetical order like it should be." |
| 23:31.58 | NightHawkTheSane | :o http://i.gizmodo.com/5167465/get-200-itunes-store-vouchers-for-260 |
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| 23:41.37 | Lunessa | Ah yes, let's steal in the secondary market. No one will be able to stop us! Muwhahahaha! |
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| 23:43.25 | ZorbaTHut | I am amazed that the itunes techs are dumb enough to make that even possible |
| 23:46.39 | Cide | how would it *not* be possible? |
| 23:46.44 | Cide | it's always possible. |
| 23:48.21 | Kalroth | Uhm, make an online check against the card code? |
| 23:49.15 | Thunder_Child | but they are valid codes |
| 23:51.26 | Kaso | i wonder if the cards are made in china, that'd make leaks of the algorithms from the manufacture plant a distinct possibility as the problem |
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| 23:52.10 | Kaso | there's a massive black market plans and secrets being sold on to factories dedicated to making knockoffs in china |
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| 23:59.56 | Dewin | Kaso: It's more than just that. |
