| 00:03.20 | Lunessa | These articles are relevant to my interests? |
| 00:05.37 | foxlit | I liked them better back when they were doing full-page illustrations |
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| 00:14.35 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rlslog.net/world-crisis-pc-shipments-will-drop-by-12/ |
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| 00:15.10 | Esamynn | ~staple MentalPower |
| 00:15.11 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples MentalPower quite well, and hands MentalPower to esamynn |
| 00:15.24 | Lunessa | Can't blame manufacturers for not building units that they can't sell. |
| 00:15.53 | Industrial | http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6659/concerns.jpg |
| 00:15.55 | Industrial | rofl ^ |
| 00:17.16 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 00:18.06 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 00:18.33 | Landrell | rofl |
| 00:19.08 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 00:24.08 | Lunessa | That's brilliant. |
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| 00:31.34 | Dagmar | Kinda weak to rip off an old joke like that as a print news item, but then the people who are convinced newspapers are still wholly relevant probably hadn't heard the joke yet anyway |
| 00:32.43 | Lunessa | The text overlay was well done. |
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| 00:53.13 | kd3 | blah! 24/25 valiant's seals |
| 00:53.15 | kd3 | sigh |
| 00:53.17 | pnorman | raid time. |
| 00:58.40 | Wobin | aww |
| 00:58.41 | Wobin | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/Sa3K9dUU2_I/AAAAAAAAFjo/uDZrqxtcKEQ/s1600-h/Calvin+and+Hobbes.jpg |
| 01:00.05 | Lunessa | Wobin: Even I, cold-hearted bastard that I am, got all warm and fuzzy. |
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| 01:15.29 | ccox | do we have a guild on the PTR servers? |
| 01:15.43 | Thunder_Child | we do on alliance pve |
| 01:15.46 | kd3 | alliance on brox, "The Knights Who Say Nil". msg me (as kaydeethree) |
| 01:16.17 | Hirsute | Knights who say Nil,I believe |
| 01:16.31 | ccox | hmm, only got horde toons so far |
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| 01:32.09 | Thunder_Child | ~staple Hirsute |
| 01:32.09 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Hirsute quite well, and hands Hirsute to thunder_child |
| 01:32.34 | Hirsute | Sorry. Network was being odd. |
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| 01:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | NOO MY ACCOUNT IS DEAD |
| 01:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | RIGHT AS I WAS GOING TO YELL AT PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS |
| 01:34.52 | Thunder_Child | ummm.....hahahahahahahaha |
| 01:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443187323&sid=1&pageNo=12 |
| 01:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I was going to post a WALL of "[b]CARBONITE IS 100% LEGAL QUIT WHINING[/b]" |
| 01:37.07 | Esamynn | ~laugh ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:37.08 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at ScytheBlade1...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 01:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I was totally going to max out the post size too |
| 01:37.53 | Esamynn | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:37.54 | purl | ScytheBlade1, you Fail! |
| 01:38.09 | Kirov | https://www.carboniteaddon.com/downloadmore.aspx |
| 01:38.34 | Kirov | intriguing, "a new type of carbonite" |
| 01:42.18 | Wobin | http://www.thestar.com/article/595040 |
| 01:42.25 | Wobin | Vertical ... PIG... farms |
| 01:42.35 | Wobin | have these people thought these things -through-? |
| 01:43.30 | Lunessa | Kirov: Will it induce hibernation sickness? |
| 01:44.44 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out of here. See you tomorrow. |
| 01:44.45 | Dagmar | Kirov: It's kind of trivial to defeat it's "protection" |
| 01:45.15 | Wobin | yes. well |
| 01:45.20 | Wobin | you defeat it's protection |
| 01:45.22 | Wobin | and then what? |
| 01:45.28 | Wobin | You have a badly coded addon =P |
| 01:47.10 | Esamynn | heheh |
| 01:47.30 | ccox | Wobin - yes, but they think their sh*t won't stink :-) |
| 01:47.41 | Dagmar | Well, a fairly ugly but still functional map at any rate |
| 01:47.53 | Wobin | oh btw, Dagmar I went and bought Casebook |
| 01:47.59 | Wobin | and the second episode |
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| 01:48.12 | Wobin | Which looks to be a lot more detailed |
| 01:48.18 | Dagmar | Okay |
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| 01:48.26 | Wobin | (in terms of game size, I haven't actually played the second episode) |
| 01:49.02 | Wobin | The first episode was interesting, but -really- needed higher resolution imagery |
| 01:49.10 | Wobin | I'll see if the next one is better |
| 01:50.48 | Wobin | For a 'forensic' game, it has the idea down pat |
| 01:50.56 | Wobin | but in order to see what is out of place in a scene |
| 01:51.05 | Wobin | you need to be able to -see- everything in the scene =P |
| 01:51.15 | Wobin | so a fuzzy image doesn't really help |
| 01:51.20 | Dagmar | Well, and have an idea of what should be there |
| 01:51.31 | Wobin | So far it's been pretty straightforward |
| 01:51.49 | Wobin | and they have an 'intuit' function that's the equivalent to a hint button |
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| 01:53.24 | Thunder_Child | Shirik! |
| 01:53.34 | Shirik | what do you want |
| 01:53.48 | Thunder_Child | why do i have to want something? |
| 01:53.53 | Thunder_Child | cant i just say hi? |
| 01:53.56 | Shirik | you didn't |
| 01:54.08 | Thunder_Child | i didnt ask for anything either |
| 01:54.24 | Shirik | it was implied |
| 01:54.37 | Thunder_Child | was not....because i dont actually want anything |
| 01:55.03 | Wobin | Oh and the acting is entertaining |
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| 01:55.46 | Wobin | American detective, scottish lab geek, generic male suspect, and kiwi female suspect =P |
| 01:55.58 | Wobin | and mexican male suspect |
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| 01:58.33 | Wobin | http://www.yourdayataltontowers.com/ <-- Mmmm. Creepy |
| 01:58.41 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: with you, it's just assumed that you either want something, or you're going to start flinging insults :P |
| 01:59.03 | Wobin | or both |
| 01:59.35 | Thunder_Child | thanks Esamynn |
| 01:59.44 | Esamynn | you're welcome |
| 01:59.45 | Thunder_Child | for clearing that up and all |
| 02:00.10 | Thunder_Child | um...are you usualy supposed to be able to fly as a whisp? |
| 02:00.22 | Esamynn | what zone are you in? |
| 02:00.25 | Esamynn | Icecrown? |
| 02:00.32 | Thunder_Child | storm peaks |
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| 02:00.39 | Esamynn | then, yes |
| 02:01.00 | Thunder_Child | why? |
| 02:01.11 | Wobin | cause you could die in a place you can't walk to |
| 02:01.20 | Esamynn | I guess so you can retrieve your body from strange places |
| 02:01.27 | Wobin | since SP and icecrown are flying zones |
| 02:01.42 | Wobin | (ie, by the time you reach it you should have cold weather flying) |
| 02:01.47 | ZorbaBeta | if you die as a non-night elf, you get a spectral flying mount |
| 02:01.53 | Wobin | Or rent a gryphon at K3 |
| 02:01.54 | ZorbaBeta | I guess they just made the wisp form fly |
| 02:02.01 | Landrell | they did |
| 02:02.16 | Esamynn | wisp on a mount... |
| 02:03.26 | ZorbaBeta | turbo-charged wisp flying machine |
| 02:05.23 | Wobin | You should be able to take that machine |
| 02:05.29 | Wobin | and capture dead night elves to power it |
| 02:05.40 | Esamynn | ~lart Wobin |
| 02:05.40 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs Wobin |
| 02:05.54 | Wobin | HOT MAL |
| 02:06.10 | Esamynn | lol, I never noticed that! |
| 02:07.18 | Esamynn | purl, you need to learn how to spell! |
| 02:07.52 | Esamynn | ~literal learn2spell |
| 02:08.02 | Esamynn | oh goodie |
| 02:08.40 | Thunder_Child | ~l2spell |
| 02:08.55 | Wobin | ~lrn2spell ? |
| 02:09.13 | Thunder_Child | ~l2spell Thunder_Child |
| 02:09.21 | Thunder_Child | guess not |
| 02:09.33 | Esamynn | purl, learn2spell is <say>I spell goot, foul! |
| 02:09.34 | purl | Esamynn: okay |
| 02:09.55 | Thunder_Child | wtf Esamynn, everyone knows it's l2spell |
| 02:10.00 | kd3 | failtastic... a quest item is on a 5m respawn and half the server is there for it |
| 02:10.14 | Esamynn | purl, l2spell is <see>learn2spell |
| 02:10.15 | purl | Esamynn: okay |
| 02:10.19 | Esamynn | ~l2spell |
| 02:10.19 | purl | methinks l2spell is <see>learn2spell |
| 02:10.29 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 02:10.29 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i never understood what compels blizzard to do that |
| 02:10.33 | Esamynn | purl, no, l2spell is see: learn2spell |
| 02:10.34 | purl | Esamynn: okay |
| 02:10.36 | Esamynn | ~l2spell |
| 02:10.37 | purl | [l2spell] see: learn2spell |
| 02:10.49 | Esamynn | dang it! |
| 02:10.55 | Esamynn | ~literal emulate cair |
| 02:10.55 | purl | "emulate cair" is "<reply> see emulate cairenn" |
| 02:11.00 | Esamynn | ahh ha! |
| 02:11.13 | Esamynn | purl, no, l2spell is <reply> see learn2spell |
| 02:11.14 | purl | Esamynn: okay |
| 02:11.18 | Esamynn | ~l2spell |
| 02:11.19 | purl | well, learn2spell is <say>I spell goot, foul! |
| 02:11.32 | Thunder_Child | hehx2 |
| 02:11.45 | Esamynn | purl, no, learn2spell is <reply> I spell goot, foul! |
| 02:11.46 | purl | okay, Esamynn |
| 02:11.51 | Esamynn | ~l2spell |
| 02:11.52 | purl | I spell goot, foul! |
| 02:12.21 | Thunder_Child | is that supposed to be fool? |
| 02:12.38 | Esamynn | yah, that's the first mispelling of fool that came to mind ;) |
| 02:13.38 | Wobin | fule |
| 02:13.44 | Wobin | phule? |
| 02:13.48 | Esamynn | yah, that's better ;) |
| 02:14.02 | Esamynn | purl, no, learn2spell is <reply> I spell goot, (fule|phule)! |
| 02:14.03 | purl | Esamynn: okay |
| 02:14.12 | Wobin | ~learn2spell |
| 02:14.13 | purl | I spell goot, fule! |
| 02:14.18 | Esamynn | purl, no, learn2spell is <reply> I spell goot, (fule|phule|phool)! |
| 02:14.18 | purl | okay, Esamynn |
| 02:14.21 | Thunder_Child | no speel? |
| 02:14.26 | Wobin | ~learn2spell |
| 02:14.27 | purl | I spell goot, fule! |
| 02:15.05 | Esamynn | purl, no, learn2spell is <reply> I (spell|speel|spel) (goot|gud|good), (fule|phule|phool|fool)! |
| 02:15.06 | purl | Esamynn: okay |
| 02:15.13 | Esamynn | happy now? |
| 02:15.21 | Thunder_Child | silly question |
| 02:15.25 | sacarasc | ~l2spam |
| 02:15.36 | [draco] | no, good is too... right. |
| 02:17.34 | Esamynn | ok, so help me come up with more variations! :P |
| 02:18.11 | Esamynn | purl, lrn2spell is <reply> see learn2spell |
| 02:18.12 | purl | okay, Esamynn |
| 02:18.26 | Esamynn | just for good measure |
| 02:18.33 | Shirik | ~l2spell |
| 02:18.34 | purl | I spell good, fule! |
| 02:19.27 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Abandoned-baby-otter-mistook-harmonica.5025826.jp aww |
| 02:19.30 | Esamynn | purl, no, learn2spell is <reply> I (spell|speel|spel) (goot|gud|good|god), (fule|phule|phool|fool)! |
| 02:19.31 | purl | okay, Esamynn |
| 02:19.33 | Esamynn | oops |
| 02:19.45 | Cairenn | :((( |
| 02:19.57 | Shirik | :((( |
| 02:20.40 | NightHawkTheSane | the gods of lisp hate you both. :P |
| 02:20.50 | Esamynn | purl, no, learn2spell is <reply> (I (spell|speel|spel) (goot|gud|good), (fule|phule|phool|fool)|I are (teh|the) best (speller|speeler|spells) (evar|ever))! |
| 02:20.51 | purl | okay, Esamynn |
| 02:20.57 | Esamynn | ~l2spell |
| 02:20.58 | purl | I are teh best speller ever! |
| 02:21.49 | Esamynn | purl, no, learn2spell is <reply> (I (spell|speel|spel) (goot|gud|good), (fule|phule|phool|fool)|I (are|is) (teh|the) best (speller|speeler|spells) (evar|ever))! |
| 02:21.50 | purl | okay, Esamynn |
| 02:23.11 | Wobin | ~learn2spell |
| 02:23.12 | purl | I is teh best speeler ever! |
| 02:23.37 | Esamynn | well, that's enough fooling around, I could play with that for an hour or more, but I'd rather go home! ;) |
| 02:23.44 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 02:24.04 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: your just jealous of my purl skills! :P |
| 02:24.13 | Esamynn | s/your/you're/ |
| 02:24.26 | Thunder_Child | hardly Esamynn |
| 02:24.33 | Wobin | ~learn2spell Esamynn |
| 02:25.21 | Thunder_Child | purl, learn2spell $1 is <reply> (I, $1 (spell|speel|spel) (goot|gud|good), (fule|phule|phool|fool)|I (are|is) (teh|the) best (speller|speeler|spells) (evar|ever))! |
| 02:25.22 | purl | Thunder_Child: okay |
| 02:25.25 | Esamynn | Wobin: actually, that's grammar, not spelling :P |
| 02:25.30 | Thunder_Child | ~learn2spell Esamynn |
| 02:25.31 | purl | I, Esamynn speel good, phool! |
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| 02:25.54 | Thunder_Child | meh, grammer |
| 02:25.56 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: you fail, you didn't alter the other 1/2 :P |
| 02:25.57 | Thunder_Child | fix later |
| 02:26.01 | Esamynn | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 02:26.02 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 02:26.12 | Thunder_Child | H HoS |
| 02:26.19 | Wobin | terrible |
| 02:26.22 | Esamynn | later folks |
| 02:26.24 | Wobin | I hate the gauntlet on that |
| 02:26.25 | Thunder_Child | slightly busy |
| 02:26.31 | Wobin | the final boss is cake after that |
| 02:26.51 | Thunder_Child | you mean with brann? |
| 02:26.52 | Wobin | gauntlet is terrible as a tank |
| 02:27.33 | Wobin | well final boss is easy with a shammy purging the lightning shield |
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| 02:28.40 | Thunder_Child | stupid group |
| 02:28.47 | sacarasc | Wobin: Every time I've been there there's been a shaman purging... Wonder why that is... |
| 02:28.54 | Thunder_Child | dont need to stand on the stupid stairs |
| 02:30.18 | kd3 | rofl |
| 02:30.41 | kd3 | "Ulduar will be deadlocked for 30 minutes. We will be trying to restart the servers to improve ulduar performance. Go enjoy a sandwich. :)" |
| 02:30.46 | kd3 | server message on brox ^ |
| 02:30.53 | Wobin | it helps if the tank is in between the party and the stairs though |
| 02:31.11 | Wobin | sacarasc: could it be cause you're a shammy? |
| 02:31.21 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.... sandwich |
| 02:32.33 | Wobin | >, |
| 02:32.35 | Wobin | >< |
| 02:32.39 | Wobin | 11 more hours at work |
| 02:32.43 | Thunder_Child | shhh...ihavent eaten yet today |
| 02:36.31 | Shirik | any pvp priests have recommendations for pvp glyphs? |
| 02:37.04 | Stanzilla | I use shield, dispel and flash for arena |
| 02:39.09 | Wobin | hm, suggestions for minor hunter glyphs |
| 02:39.15 | Thunder_Child | damn you NightHawkTheSane, they have an awesome one over at the cheesecake factory |
| 02:39.23 | Wobin | I don't see any aside from the mend pet that's useful |
| 02:39.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: if it makes you feel better, im starving too |
| 02:39.36 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: Is... it made from cheesecake? |
| 02:39.50 | Thunder_Child | Wobin,....yes....yes it is |
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| 02:42.45 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. cheesecake blt |
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| 02:45.49 | kd3 | hey Bibi; may want to update the front page to stem the tide of qqing |
| 02:45.51 | kd3 | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/15443409349-lets-change-racials-that-dont-need-changed.html |
| 02:46.01 | kd3 | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/15443409296-stoneform-rip.html |
| 02:50.49 | Thunder_Child | you know, blizz should really do something like a 5yrd triggered /flight which pops up the flight master thing so people cant stand over them with huge mounts and make it hard to click on |
| 02:55.34 | Landrell | What's that? with NPC's in general? |
| 02:56.31 | Thunder_Child | flight at least.....dunno about the rest |
| 02:57.43 | Dagmar | They should do that in more places, like Brewfest |
| 02:57.56 | Landrell | Agreed. |
| 02:58.05 | Dagmar | I don't think anyone on my server actually saw the tapping of the kegs ceremony because it was camped by idiots every time |
| 02:58.34 | Dagmar | It's not like it would be new ground to break, since you can't even really touch the auctioneers in IF anymore |
| 02:59.39 | Arrowmaster | thats all solved in 3.1 |
| 03:00.26 | Dagmar | People whose mounts touch a special NPC are flagged PvP FFA? |
| 03:00.36 | Dagmar | ...because I think that would solve it. |
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| 03:01.34 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i thought the only change is that you can trigger it from the unit frame? |
| 03:01.56 | Arrowmaster | theres a keybinding |
| 03:02.05 | kd3 | thought it was joystick only |
| 03:02.13 | kd3 | InteractUnit() |
| 03:02.20 | Arrowmaster | doubt it |
| 03:02.38 | Arrowmaster | see if you can find the keybinding on ptr |
| 03:02.50 | Thunder_Child | will that help if you can not target the unit? or know it's name? |
| 03:03.00 | Arrowmaster | tab |
| 03:03.20 | Thunder_Child | i thought that only works on hostiles |
| 03:03.27 | Arrowmaster | shift-tab |
| 03:03.30 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-tab |
| 03:03.33 | Arrowmaster | whichever it is |
| 03:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it's bindable, in any ca se |
| 03:03.51 | Thunder_Child | my idea is still better |
| 03:04.04 | Arrowmaster | your idea is limited |
| 03:04.34 | Thunder_Child | to what? |
| 03:05.17 | Arrowmaster | well you said /flight |
| 03:05.17 | Thunder_Child | right, thats usually the only place you have that issue |
| 03:05.25 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 03:05.34 | Landrell | Especially in Dalaran. |
| 03:06.14 | Thunder_Child | and if seasonal is an issue, create a /seasonal or whatever |
| 03:06.49 | kd3 | or just /interact to kill all of the edge cases |
| 03:07.27 | Dagmar | Well, at least we know most players wouldn't try to use that on each other |
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| 03:20.31 | Shirik | For those of you that were following the conversation yesterday |
| 03:20.34 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12679-Speedway.html |
| 03:20.41 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:21.01 | Dagmar | Oh my god |
| 03:21.09 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 03:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you scare me sometimes |
| 03:21.34 | Dagmar | Ooh on the subject of laps around Dalaran... What toy item is it that makes a glowing purple ball of light that chases after someone |
| 03:21.59 | Shirik | I feel need to point out |
| 03:22.03 | Shirik | That screenshot |
| 03:22.08 | Shirik | Is from 1 day of testing only |
| 03:22.14 | Shirik | And mostly "testing" was not intentional testing |
| 03:22.20 | kd3 | failtastic |
| 03:24.27 | Dagmar | I think you could totally make a sport of fleeing from toys using that counter |
| 03:24.42 | Dagmar | Seeing someone fleeing about 24 of those paper dirigibles looks pretty surreal |
| 03:26.08 | kd3 | one of my favorite things to do when I was bored back in bc was to use the booterang and then after collecting about 25 of them just fly around a'dal's room for an hour while bored |
| 03:26.30 | Dagmar | booterang? |
| 03:26.44 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Booterang |
| 03:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | BOOTERANG! |
| 03:27.19 | Dagmar | Oooooo |
| 03:27.57 | Dagmar | So you wouldn't know what purple thing I was talking about would you? |
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| 03:32.23 | Tem | ugh we're SO close |
| 03:32.37 | kd3 | fail an undying run? |
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| 03:37.39 | Syzgyn | Nice to see the PTR is unstable and laggy as always. |
| 03:38.35 | kd3 | meh, wasn't too bad for me earlier. ulduar must be back up |
| 03:38.53 | Syzgyn | It is, Flame Leviathan now |
| 03:39.16 | kd3 | that'd be it. they had to deadlock the instance for half an hour earlier to try to iron out some stability issues |
| 03:39.18 | Syzgyn | and I of course was logged out right outside the entrance |
| 03:39.20 | kd3 | guess they still need more work |
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| 03:39.55 | Syzgyn | It's weird, I can see people running around, can read chat, but am completetly lagged out, cant chat or use any abilities or anything |
| 03:47.27 | Dagmar | So it's like a high-cap Wintergrasp |
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| 03:59.46 | Thunder_Child | is there a way to list who is in a channel? |
| 04:00.36 | Shirik | in wow? |
| 04:00.37 | Shirik | use /chatlist |
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| 04:00.58 | Thunder_Child | also, whats the / command for leaving a group? |
| 04:01.16 | Shirik | I use /script LeaveParty() |
| 04:01.22 | Dagmar | It's not /gquit? |
| 04:01.29 | Thunder_Child | thanks Shirik |
| 04:01.37 | Shirik | no gquit is to leave arena team |
| 04:01.42 | Dagmar | Ahhh... |
| 04:01.50 | Dagmar | So that's why it's so popular |
| 04:02.31 | Dagmar | From the way people in /2 talk it seems like one could probably just replace the contents of their shot rotation macro with that and the client just magically figures the rest out |
| 04:03.05 | Shirik | Dagmar: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8d8c5c5e6a907ee966e4d77661af21ae.png |
| 04:03.36 | Dagmar | Impressive |
| 04:03.43 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 04:03.59 | Mr_Rabies | Dagmar is like the last name of some kind of news person out here |
| 04:04.03 | Mr_Rabies | i think she's an alien |
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| 04:04.49 | Mr_Rabies | Dagmar the Unquenchable, telling the stories you want to hear |
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| 04:20.06 | neogia | +v |
| 04:20.10 | neogia | test |
| 04:22.13 | Wobin | shirik: that reminds me of the "Use /afk <target> to report AV afkers!" |
| 04:22.34 | Wobin | or the "use /gquit <target>" to quit someone from the guild |
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| 04:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, <3 GC "Whatever else, we are definitely hotfixing dude's name to Loq'asdhgiawakakawaba." |
| 04:25.36 | Tem | kd3, no 3 drake attempts |
| 04:25.53 | Tem | we got it, btw :) |
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| 04:26.19 | Tem | I need to decide on Doloros the Undying and Doloros the Twilight Vanquisher now for which title to show |
| 04:27.10 | dustice | Twilight Vanquisher would be more impressive I think =) |
| 04:27.43 | kd3 | undying > vanq. vanq just requires people to not be idiots... |
| 04:28.03 | Dagmar | That's a pretty serious request |
| 04:28.47 | Thunder_Child | lol, Pimpadin |
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| 04:41.21 | kd3 | whee, shop smart. shop pet... smart is now done |
| 04:41.27 | kd3 | gah, where am I going to get 25 more? |
| 04:41.44 | NightHawkTheSane | rare drops |
| 04:41.55 | Iriel | break into a petting zoo? |
| 04:42.02 | Iriel | oracles eggs? |
| 04:42.10 | NightHawkTheSane | crocolisk daily |
| 04:42.28 | kd3 | working on wolvar. still need to do the crocolisk daily and catch mr. *@#*)$*$ pinchy |
| 04:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | spend gobs of money buying loot cards on ebay |
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| 04:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j0GQTrY3M_IrdihkU7TGhOvB9BmQD96MUV500 |
| 04:53.34 | Wobin | crazy |
| 04:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You can totaly tell he's a reefer from his picture alone |
| 04:54.26 | Spellbinder | kd3 have you read this? http://www.playthingofthegods.com/DianiusPetsGuide/DianiusPetsGuide.htm it's not that many pets but maybe there is some one you missed, how man pets you got? |
| 04:58.05 | kd3 | 51 |
| 05:03.46 | Thunder_Child | heh "Watchmen may be the first soundtrack ever to include both Leonard Cohen and KC & The Sunshine Band." |
| 05:04.07 | Wobin | "My boyfriend just hit his first level 80 toon about 5 minutes ago, so we celebrated by him watching me dance in the circle :)" |
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| 05:04.13 | Wobin | ... what? |
| 05:07.32 | Thunder_Child | i feel so comfortable with this shirt http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/magic-8ball/ |
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| 05:07.58 | Landrell | lol |
| 05:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, for some reason this really got me: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/b2a9/?cpg=ab |
| 05:19.57 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 05:19.58 | kd3 | win |
| 05:20.01 | PProvost | What is the right filter for UnitAura so I will only get buffs I put can put on or dispell? |
| 05:20.02 | Landrell | my Fave of all time! http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/9722/ |
| 05:20.03 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 05:20.19 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, the red shirt is also amazing |
| 05:20.22 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitBuff |
| 05:20.32 | kd3 | UnitBuff('target',1) |
| 05:20.50 | PProvost | UnitBuff is deprecated in favor of UnitAura |
| 05:21.30 | kd3 | w/e |
| 05:21.56 | PProvost | Which is why I asked for the right filter for UnitAura |
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| 05:22.28 | PProvost | Also, oUF uses UnitAura. :) |
| 05:22.34 | Kirov | omg, I was watching a really really bad action movie the other day. Enter the Ninja |
| 05:23.25 | Kirov | Let me put it this way. White Ninja (white guy, all in white, with a big ass 70's mustache) killing Red Ninjas (which weren't indians, thankfully). |
| 05:23.46 | Kirov | Just left and right, WACK dead WHACK dead WHACK WACK dead dead |
| 05:23.58 | Kirov | There's one black ninja who doesn't get killed. |
| 05:24.13 | kd3 | enter the ninja is freaking hilarious |
| 05:24.19 | Landrell | This one I really need, http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/generic/a69c/?cpg=ab |
| 05:24.49 | Landrell | and finally for your true Geeks out there... http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/generic/a651/?cpg=ab |
| 05:24.54 | Kirov | Fucking, best death scene evar |
| 05:25.27 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EvPvfVOUV8 |
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| 05:26.07 | Landrell | oh yeah! |
| 05:26.09 | Landrell | lol |
| 05:30.30 | Landrell | I'm going to get lambasted for this... but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkzV5AIK8iM |
| 05:33.15 | Thunder_Child | hah, thats great |
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| 05:36.16 | Tem | lol @ world server crashes on live |
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| 05:39.36 | Thunder_Child | 50GB should be enough for any OS in the world...but no, i have 336mb free |
| 05:40.12 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - stop using Linux then! |
| 05:40.18 | Kirov | ;) |
| 05:40.40 | Landrell | O.o |
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| 06:22.13 | batrick | u r |
| 06:24.34 | Thunder_Child | i think batrick is just another nick of Fisker-'s |
| 06:24.46 | batrick | i think ur terribad |
| 06:28.12 | Fisker- | no u |
| 06:28.21 | Fisker- | Anyone know that texture that looks a bit like banto but isn't? :P |
| 06:28.39 | batrick | ur face |
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| 06:29.05 | Fisker- | it's not that one |
| 06:29.10 | Fisker- | that texture is ugly like hell |
| 06:29.34 | batrick | i wasn't aware brutal honestly was part of your character Fisker- |
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| 06:30.54 | Fisker- | :D |
| 06:31.49 | Fisker- | fuck this |
| 06:31.59 | Fisker- | by the time i find a screenshot i'll have found the texture myeslf |
| 06:32.40 | Fisker- | actually lol i think armory might be it |
| 06:32.41 | Fisker- | hohoho |
| 06:32.44 | Fisker- | epic fail is epic |
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| 07:32.00 | Tem | lol this GC post is awesome |
| 07:32.11 | Tem | Here is our stance: |
| 07:32.11 | Tem | Unholy -- doesn't need Obliterate if you have Scourge Strike. (Protip: you do.) |
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| 07:37.02 | Wobin | I think that's what they're trying for though |
| 07:37.39 | Wobin | did they move the nonconsuming obliterate lower in the tree? |
| 07:45.02 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck me |
| 07:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | northrend crashed.. i'm inside the nexus >.> |
| 07:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: i dont believe so but it wasn't very high to begin with |
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| 07:49.25 | Wobin | no wai (out) |
| 07:49.50 | Wobin | 6 more hours! |
| 07:49.53 | Wobin | (til my shift is over) |
| 07:50.25 | Wobin | next world maths day, remind me not to come into work before shift. Today = 14hours |
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| 07:50.50 | Wobin | although my boss has gone home and slept for a few hours in the last 24 |
| 07:51.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i have deep seated moral objections to working more than 8 hours at a stretch |
| 07:51.54 | Wobin | Normally so do I |
| 07:51.58 | Wobin | but special occasion and all |
| 07:52.01 | Wobin | www.worldmathsday.com |
| 07:52.57 | NightHawkTheSane | how does this necessitate a work shift that long? |
| 07:52.59 | NeoTron | FUCK! MT dc's on KT, dies from void zone... no other deaths. bye bye immortal |
| 07:53.38 | Wobin | we're just monitoring the site |
| 07:53.43 | NeoTron | one fricking death away ftl |
| 07:53.45 | Wobin | but it feels weird for me to turn up at 4 |
| 07:54.02 | Wobin | so I turned up at 10 |
| 07:54.09 | Wobin | meh, it's once a year |
| 07:54.16 | Wobin | and I'll just sleep tomorrow =P |
| 07:54.23 | Wobin | come in for a few hours and bugger off again |
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| 07:54.49 | Wobin | also, with the state of the job market here |
| 07:55.01 | Wobin | it's better to look eager than lazy =P |
| 07:55.11 | Wobin | and I want a raise after this whole shebang |
| 07:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: http://smarterware.org/669/simple-guidelines-for-workday-quality-over-quantity |
| 07:56.15 | NightHawkTheSane | the bottom one is the important part. :P |
| 07:56.56 | Wobin | yes. |
| 07:57.03 | Wobin | However the whole company is riding on this event |
| 07:57.12 | Wobin | if it fails, we fail =P |
| 07:57.17 | Wobin | and thus have no job |
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| 07:57.34 | Wobin | so it's in my better interests to stay around and monitor the event |
| 07:57.40 | Wobin | not that it's particularly difficult |
| 07:57.48 | Wobin | we're ending up playing Wii more than anything else |
| 07:58.45 | Landrell | Interesting. |
| 07:59.31 | Wobin | Majority of my time is normally spent using that process anyway |
| 07:59.39 | Wobin | except the email checking thing |
| 07:59.46 | Wobin | cause that's just reflex now =P |
| 07:59.55 | Wobin | and I recieve a lot of personal mail during the day anyway |
| 08:01.30 | Landrell | Works great for desk jobs and the like; however, with retail, not tos much... |
| 08:01.33 | Landrell | so* |
| 08:01.44 | Landrell | Though I do like that concept. |
| 08:06.01 | Wobin | hehe retail comes with it's own brand of stress |
| 08:06.21 | Wobin | I am -never- ever working retail if I can prevent it |
| 08:06.36 | Wobin | s/retail/retail again/ |
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| 08:22.43 | Landrell | lol, I've worked retail/fast food for close to a decade. I'm not stepping foot in those hell holes again either. |
| 08:23.10 | Landrell | So yeah, I don't blame you for not wanting to. |
| 08:26.32 | Wobin | I like being able to be snarky about customers to workmates without having to worry about direct face to face contact |
| 08:27.00 | Wobin | although there was a slight scare the other day when I didn't check who the email was going to reply to when I made a comment =P |
| 08:27.24 | Landrell | heh..oh I bet that was a mess. |
| 08:27.27 | Corrodias | always wise to make sure about that |
| 08:28.04 | Wobin | it was alright =) |
| 08:28.15 | Wobin | The barb was subtle enough that I could pass it off as an answer |
| 08:28.19 | Corrodias | one of my coworkers recentl sent a long, poorly-worded email to a mailing group composed of probably 50 people at work and got a 3-day suspension. |
| 08:28.21 | Corrodias | *recently |
| 08:29.03 | Corrodias | ah, clever |
| 08:29.04 | Wobin | basically one of our employees in another country was complaining about a registration he made and how it didn't work! |
| 08:29.22 | Wobin | and the only way he could have had that happen is if he went about the registration a non-standard way |
| 08:29.25 | Landrell | The last job I worked at was at Chic-Fil-A down in GA. I served the Owners' wife and of course.. that very day I lost my job. I didn't do anything wrong or nothing, I was just really really sick that day and recovering froma serious case of Bronchitus. |
| 08:29.57 | Wobin | so when he replied saying "Oh I actually registered, then manually added myself to the DB" I replied back with a "*says nothing*" to my boss |
| 08:30.14 | Wobin | in that I really didn't have to say anything in that we'd guessed that it was his fault for not doing it normally =P |
| 08:30.41 | Wobin | pity that email didn't go to the boss =P |
| 08:30.57 | Corrodias | heh |
| 08:31.16 | Shirik | Anyone got a unixy box and want to test something for me? |
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| 08:31.33 | nevcairiel | are cookie in it for me? |
| 08:31.37 | nevcairiel | *cookies |
| 08:31.46 | Shirik | You can go to my webpage and get cookies |
| 08:31.59 | Landrell | I like cookies. Just as long as they aren't Oatmeal raisin. |
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| 08:32.07 | Corrodias | recovering from bronchitis, so i suppose not contagious? |
| 08:33.01 | Landrell | Not sure to be honest. |
| 08:33.19 | Landrell | I think you're running a fever, there is a chance that it can/might spread. |
| 08:33.28 | Landrell | But don't hold me to it. |
| 08:35.51 | Landrell | Bottom line: the Owner was a hypocrit and liar. He stated that I received warnings and etc. etc...which I knew was a lie. Nothing was said to me in any case but I'm glad that I did. I finished college! |
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| 09:01.45 | Wobin | nah, the contagious period is usually the week before and the first week of symptoms |
| 09:05.18 | Landrell | Gotcha! |
| 09:05.25 | Landrell | Thanks for the correction, since I wasn't sure. |
| 09:06.39 | Wobin | but why did you get fired? |
| 09:08.57 | Landrell | Because the Owners' Wife talked to him or some crap like that. |
| 09:09.21 | Landrell | I honestly don't know why, what for... |
| 09:10.01 | Landrell | told me that I was given written/verbal warnings, I really wasn't. He lied about that part |
| 09:10.33 | Landrell | Said I didn't want to work, that was a lie too. I was sick that week b/c of my infection but used that against me. |
| 09:11.16 | Landrell | In the long run though, I did stop caring about the job, because when the General Manager left, everything kind of went down hill. |
| 09:11.27 | Landrell | She was the only one that knew exactly what was going on. |
| 09:11.54 | Landrell | He even stated that I took a week of leave without asking or some such. I had medical reasons and he never bothered to ask why. |
| 09:12.36 | Landrell | Just really idiotic stuff that I could account for but thought better against it to appeal the whole situation. |
| 09:13.22 | mikma | shirik: so now you are distributing cookies... |
| 09:13.29 | mikma | candyman! |
| 09:17.06 | Landrell | It was just a nice kick the butt to get me to finish college and get myself back on track. |
| 09:17.12 | Landrell | And it worked. |
| 09:22.51 | Landrell | But anyhow, enough about that. |
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| 09:33.54 | nevcairiel | anyone with an offsenive dispell (shaman, priest) on the EU fordring ptr? :) |
| 09:34.50 | mikma | i might be if i install the missing patches on my computer :D |
| 09:42.04 | Landrell | oh yum! |
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| 10:23.04 | mikma | nevcairiel: pingpong noob |
| 10:23.10 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 10:23.18 | mikma | ptr installed soon if you still need purge |
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| 10:31.11 | mikma | except i have to go and do one elitequest hah |
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| 11:21.45 | Shirik | ok, I broke Dalaran |
| 11:22.02 | Shirik | I fell down that well in Dalaran |
| 11:22.05 | Shirik | and didn't get ported |
| 11:22.09 | Shirik | and now I'm at the bottom of the well |
| 11:23.04 | Elkano | that's sad ^^ maybe a princess will come and recue you |
| 11:24.09 | Shirik | and my hearth is down |
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| 11:31.57 | zenzio | that's not breaking Dalaran, that's being a fool |
| 11:35.51 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you know what happens to kids that fall into the well? |
| 11:36.00 | Shirik | they break their crown? |
| 11:36.49 | zenzio | "Help, I've fallen into a well, and I can't get out! ... ladies. Come on now, only the ladies. It's like a jacuzzi with really high walls, you know you wanna" |
| 11:48.49 | Jamash | dad gum it |
| 11:48.59 | Jamash | nobody will report bugs in my addon |
| 11:49.04 | Jamash | I have to find them all myself |
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| 12:08.13 | Torhal | Jamash: WHat is your addon? |
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| 12:15.40 | mikma | bleh |
| 12:15.46 | mikma | my chars are in Brill :I |
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| 12:19.51 | mikma | i wonder why blizz haven't fixed the mount-icons of DK yet? :P |
| 12:23.14 | foxlit | the spell or the companion icons? |
| 12:25.27 | mikma | groundmount and flyingmount icons are swapped in 3.0.8 -> |
| 12:25.50 | foxlit | yes but. |
| 12:26.05 | foxlit | The swap makes sense. |
| 12:26.13 | mikma | lol wut |
| 12:26.15 | foxlit | They just didn't change every instance |
| 12:26.47 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=54729 << bone chicken head :) |
| 12:27.50 | Fisker- | Any addon that's nice for automtically marking a target i want killed? |
| 12:27.53 | mikma | now what's the other mount |
| 12:28.02 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48778 |
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| 13:00.21 | mikma | how does the equipset work? |
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| 13:52.17 | zenzio | why hello there, miss Peppy |
| 13:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | Why good morning, zenzio! How's things over your way today? |
| 13:54.23 | zenzio | annoying. Having to do some more work on a customer's website; but the customer is (as usual) horrible at explaining what they want, so I'm left guessing |
| 13:54.29 | zenzio | I'm a coder, not a freaking designer :-| |
| 13:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | I despise indecisive sheeple who use crayons to illustrate their points. |
| 13:55.06 | zenzio | I wish I had that luxury |
| 13:55.16 | zenzio | I get a text list with a reference to a competing website |
| 13:55.22 | Kalroth | zenzio: http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v147/mandyyys/Misc/swing.jpg |
| 13:55.24 | krka | do it iteratively |
| 13:55.41 | zenzio | Kalroth: hehe, yeah; classic one |
| 13:55.44 | krka | make a simple first version, and make lots of assumptions |
| 13:55.55 | krka | have the customer look at it and come with feedback |
| 13:56.11 | zenzio | krka: the problem is, it's an ancient CMS, on PHP4. There's no version control, so I have to edit it live |
| 13:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeew. |
| 13:56.30 | zenzio | if(isset($debug)) { ...} else { ...} |
| 13:56.37 | zenzio | did I mention they also have register_globals on? |
| 13:56.41 | krka | no version control? |
| 13:56.50 | krka | that's easily fixed |
| 13:56.55 | krka | just install svn or git or whatever |
| 13:57.04 | zenzio | krka: well, there is a sort of... if you count "index.old", "Index.old.bak", "index_rune.php"... |
| 13:57.10 | krka | editing live is just not an option, imo |
| 13:57.14 | krka | that is so 1994 |
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| 13:57.18 | zenzio | agreed |
| 13:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | mmmm, defrosting my new fridge.... |
| 13:57.42 | zenzio | I don't know whether we have privileges on the server, it's run by the company a coworker used to work at |
| 13:58.03 | krka | if you're doing actual development, cms seems like the wrong way to do it |
| 13:58.12 | krka | cms is for producing content, mostly |
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| 14:00.26 | zenzio | krka: I know, this whole site is a mess |
| 14:01.34 | krka | i feel your pain |
| 14:02.16 | krka | can't you atleast mirror the site and use a private beta? |
| 14:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | My system is CMS, it keeps the frikkin' sheeple from screwing up too badly. |
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| 14:48.26 | alestane | So is Kill Shot the hunter version of Execute or something? |
| 14:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like it, just from the name of it. |
| 14:49.45 | alestane | Of course, I can always just go visit the hunter trainer and see what it says. |
| 14:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Very true, that. |
| 14:50.50 | [draco] | it is |
| 14:52.43 | [draco] | 10 sec CD or something, though |
| 14:55.28 | alestane | I am amused by the guild on my server called "Casual Hex". |
| 14:59.15 | alestane | But yeah, it sounds like a macro like "/cast Kill Shot\n/cast Steady Shot" really shouldn't have worked at all. |
| 15:00.34 | Lopeppeppy | Probably didn't. |
| 15:04.17 | alestane | This hunter swears it stopped working on the PTR but he was using it up until then. |
| 15:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple often smoke the crack. |
| 15:04.37 | mikma | afaik, that doesn't work on live either |
| 15:04.44 | mikma | it never casts Steady Shot |
| 15:04.45 | alestane | But it's basically the equivalent of "/cast Execute\n/cast Mortal Strike". |
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| 15:04.59 | Friksoula | Hello,i need litlle help |
| 15:05.13 | Friksoula | where can i download the wowtLK? |
| 15:06.07 | mikma | friksoula: afaik, www.wow-europe.com or www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 15:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | If you log into the Account Management page you can always download the clients there. |
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| 15:07.51 | mikma | as i thought :) my neighbour downloaded TBC back when it was released |
| 15:08.09 | mikma | upgraded account with account management then downloaded the game from the pages |
| 15:09.00 | Friksoula | oh right thanks |
| 15:09.27 | Friksoula | And what is the best manager of addons? |
| 15:09.48 | mikma | your own brains |
| 15:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | Define "manager of addons" ? If you're talking about some magic updating client, I think they all stink. |
| 15:10.11 | mikma | "that looks cool" -> click to download -> unzip -> move to Interface/AddOns -> start game -> PROFIT! |
| 15:10.17 | Lopeppeppy | Do it yourself, manually, and you always know what you did and where something might have gone wrong. I hear too often "I used the updater and I don't know what it did, but now nothing works". |
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| 15:28.25 | Adys | High Priestess Arlokk yells: Feast on Mirror Image, my pretties! |
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| 16:09.02 | Adys | I just saw the worst argument ever on the suggestion forum |
| 16:09.09 | Adys | someone wanted the Big Voodoo Mask to be mail |
| 16:09.13 | Adys | someone else answered |
| 16:09.20 | |Jelly| | Hey Peppy. I used the updater and well, I don't know what it did exactly but now nothing works and I don't have an addons button. Plzhelp. |
| 16:09.27 | Adys | "It can't be mail, since mail is made of metal and that mask is made of wood so it should be cloth" |
| 16:09.45 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 16:09.54 | cbreak | cotton? :/ |
| 16:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly -- wipe your hard drive, reformat it, re-install Windows, and call me tomorrow for the next steps. |
| 16:11.29 | cbreak | install linux. :) |
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| 16:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | Can't help him install addons after that, so you're onboard for that, right cbreak? |
| 16:12.31 | |Jelly| | But it'll only take like an hour to install Windoez. I can has help afterz? |
| 16:12.32 | cbreak | no |
| 16:12.40 | cbreak | but installing addons is the same on all platforms :) |
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| 16:22.10 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Greymane&n=Ililliililli I don't think I'd ever group with this guy. |
| 16:22.39 | zenzelezz | what makes you say that? |
| 16:22.50 | |Jelly| | Hit name. |
| 16:22.55 | |Jelly| | his* |
| 16:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... that's one that was just created to confused. |
| 16:23.39 | Lopeppeppy | *confuse |
| 16:42.36 | Adys | |Jelly|: I banned him from MMOC a while ago |
| 16:43.43 | AckisWork | http://www.urbancamouflage.de/ SFW |
| 16:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's the Post It Monster! |
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| 16:44.25 | AckisWork | rawr |
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| 16:50.49 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
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| 17:08.30 | Lunessa | I feel ... shamed - http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp03032009.shtml |
| 17:09.29 | Lopeppeppy | "Battle not with stupid, lest ye become stupid, and if you gaze into the Internet, the Internet gazes also into you. |
| 17:12.10 | alestane | Fred is spinning in his grave right now, but it's so true. |
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| 17:13.47 | Lopeppeppy | Spinning in yer grave is under-rated, IMO |
| 17:14.44 | alestane | Ah, apparently the reason the Kill Shot/Steady Shot macro was working before is that Kill Shot was not on the GCD...on the PTR it is, as was intended. |
| 17:19.20 | Lunessa | alestane: Excellent. Too many hunters just "spam the macro lol" |
| 17:19.56 | alestane | His actually involves some choice, but it had Kill Shot in as a freebie if it was up. |
| 17:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 17:25.11 | Shirik | morning |
| 17:26.37 | Shirik | Knowing that a pixel's "intensity" is defined as the forumla red+green+blue where each of red, green, and blue are 0-255 |
| 17:26.41 | Shirik | Does this sentence make sense? |
| 17:26.56 | Shirik | It is trivial to show that, for any pixel A to have a greater intensity than any pixel B, at least one of either pixel A’s red, green, or blue intensity must be greater than pixel B’s red, green, or blue intensity, respectively. |
| 17:27.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ues |
| 17:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | *Yes |
| 17:27.36 | alestane | It takes a little work to process, but it's a correct sentence with a sensible meaning. |
| 17:27.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. I don't understand it per se, but it makes grammatical sense. |
| 17:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | If A > B, where A and B have subpixels X, Y, and Z, then at least one X or Y or Z in A must be > B |
| 17:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Subpixels is wrong but it should get the point actross |
| 17:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | *across |
| 17:29.22 | alestane | "Subpixels" isn't even that wrong. |
| 17:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't /too/ wrong but it isn't /100% right/ |
| 17:29.47 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: If A = X1+Y1+Z1 and B=X2+Y2+Z2, then to make B>A, X2 must be greater than X1 or Y2 must be greater than Y2 or Z2 must be greater than Z1 |
| 17:30.08 | Shirik | er, Y2 must be greater than Y1 |
| 17:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear, I'm still hopped up on Dayquil, pseudo-maths are beyond me. I trust you in the pixel area. |
| 17:30.48 | Lopeppeppy | It's all good. |
| 17:30.48 | ccox | "subpixel" is entirely wrong there |
| 17:31.05 | ccox | "channel" or "component" would be the correct words |
| 17:31.13 | Shirik | I haven't found a good word for it yet, so I have chosen to keep saying "red component" etc |
| 17:31.26 | alestane | To put it another way, if all three of R1, G1, B1 are less than their counterparts R2, G2, B2, then P1 cannot be greater than P2 |
| 17:31.31 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yes, it's right. Wordy, but right. |
| 17:35.20 | Shirik | heh, this is fun |
| 17:35.31 | Shirik | It's like a beauty pageant |
| 17:35.32 | Lopeppeppy | ... ooooo-kay. |
| 17:35.42 | Shirik | I'm talking about "disqualifying" pixels |
| 17:35.56 | Shirik | I wrote this like a week ago and just reviewing it to make sure it all makes sense |
| 17:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, classic stupid. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NotAlwaysRight/~3/vrBB5h4S8_4/1626 |
| 17:36.19 | Adys | Ok |
| 17:36.22 | Adys | Did you know of the day |
| 17:36.28 | Adys | bandaging someone else can damage your gear |
| 17:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sbo... you broked my brain, right there. |
| 17:36.49 | Anaral | Adys, really? |
| 17:36.54 | Adys | yep |
| 17:36.54 | Shirik | Pop quiz |
| 17:37.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: told you |
| 17:37.16 | cbreak | Adys: standing in stormwind letting your pet hit target dummies can too |
| 17:37.28 | Shirik | How many different values are there for X, where X = A+B+C, where A,B, and C all range from 0-255 |
| 17:37.37 | Shirik | Incorrect answers: 256*3, 255*3+1 |
| 17:37.41 | Adys | 255*255*255 ? |
| 17:37.47 | Adys | er |
| 17:37.54 | Adys | make that 256 |
| 17:38.13 | cbreak | permutations |
| 17:38.16 | Shirik | That would be true, Adys, is ordered mattered |
| 17:38.18 | Shirik | order* |
| 17:38.27 | Shirik | which in addition it obviously doesn't |
| 17:38.32 | cbreak | well, either way |
| 17:38.40 | cbreak | you can reach all values from 0 |
| 17:38.46 | cbreak | to 256*3 |
| 17:38.59 | Shirik | 256*3-1 ? |
| 17:39.04 | cbreak | so 255*3+1? |
| 17:39.10 | Shirik | oh so I was right the first time, it's 256*3 |
| 17:39.23 | cbreak | was wrong before |
| 17:39.41 | Shirik | er, 255*3+1 |
| 17:39.42 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:39.52 | Shirik | why did I think that was wrong |
| 17:40.06 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 17:40.09 | cbreak | the formula is too easy :) |
| 17:42.02 | alestane | 256^3 is the correct number of possible 24-bit color values, but I'm not sure that's what you're asking. |
| 17:42.48 | zenzelezz | ah, the good old times... when they'd put "supports 16777216 colors" on a game's packaging to show how advanced it was |
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| 17:43.26 | cbreak | R+G+B isn't the only way to go from color to luminance |
| 17:43.45 | Shirik | cbreak: That's why I defined it for you first |
| 17:43.57 | cbreak | yes :) |
| 17:44.02 | cbreak | just wanted to add that |
| 17:45.20 | alestane | Yeah, the range would indeed be 255*3+1=766. |
| 17:45.23 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you make baby Peppy cry. |
| 17:45.35 | Shirik | :( why |
| 17:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | Maths. |
| 17:46.12 | Aqua | i'm gonna cry, my new 24 gigabit switch won't power on |
| 17:46.26 | Shirik | alestane: It's not :) |
| 17:46.32 | Adys | threaten him to remove a couple of its bits, Aqua |
| 17:46.38 | Shirik | I'm asking for the number of different values of intensity, where intensity is defined as r+g+b |
| 17:46.47 | Shirik | which is, as others have confirmed, 255*3+1 |
| 17:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Tell it if it doesn't behave, Peppy's gonna drop a cog on it's head. |
| 17:46.59 | Shirik | which I had earlier, but for some reason I thought was wrong |
| 17:47.19 | alestane | Then yes, the smallest possible value is 0, the largest is 765. |
| 17:47.24 | Aqua | /sigh newegg return policy inbound |
| 17:47.30 | cbreak | can screens even reproduce that these days? |
| 17:48.21 | Shirik | hm? |
| 17:48.24 | Adys | I've read that as "Can screens ever reproduce these days?" |
| 17:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ |
| 17:49.10 | Aqua | ugly... |
| 17:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | $400 and 10h of battery life |
| 17:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (up to 15h they say) |
| 17:49.54 | cbreak | 15 hours of what? |
| 17:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | battery life |
| 17:50.05 | cbreak | reading text files that are residing on a ram disk? |
| 17:50.09 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 17:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It has an 8GB microSD card for storage |
| 17:51.19 | cbreak | "it's completely silent, so it won't intrude on your inner space.". How considerate :) |
| 17:51.47 | Lopeppeppy | What about my outerspace? |
| 17:52.40 | Aqua | meh, not impressed |
| 17:53.18 | ScytheBlade1 | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/download/Schematics-v1-AlwaysInnovating.pdf |
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| 17:54.11 | Aqua | wow |
| 17:54.18 | Aqua | tech schemetacs |
| 17:54.29 | Aqua | pardon my spelling |
| 17:54.37 | Cide- | http://harveyserv.ath.cx/jgames/Media/ComicJK/jk.php?comic=104 |
| 17:57.34 | Shirik | damn |
| 17:57.35 | Shirik | I'm good |
| 17:57.43 | Shirik | Told my professor I'd have this paper to him in less than an hour |
| 17:57.53 | Shirik | Time I told him that: Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:58 AM |
| 17:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey Shirik |
| 17:58.09 | Shirik | current time 12:57 |
| 17:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/download/Schematics-v1-AlwaysInnovating.pdf |
| 17:58.46 | Shirik | whassat |
| 17:58.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Full specs for a netbook |
| 17:59.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, for some definition of "full" |
| 17:59.32 | Adys | I love doing oldworld instances |
| 17:59.33 | Shirik | You just felt I might want to see it? >< |
| 17:59.36 | Adys | I pulled one mob |
| 17:59.43 | Adys | I got 5 packs on me. |
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| 18:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, they're fun times for pulling. |
| 18:02.01 | KarlKFI | like tug of war? |
| 18:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | Only with more glitter |
| 18:02.51 | KarlKFI | tug of war at a girl's summer camp? |
| 18:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | If you think that's fun. |
| 18:03.18 | KarlKFI | would be fun for me... |
| 18:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 18:03.42 | KarlKFI | little girls are ticklish |
| 18:03.58 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 18:04.22 | KarlKFI | tickles + tug of war = fun |
| 18:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | Says you. :P |
| 18:04.58 | KarlKFI | you obviously didn't go to or enjoy summer camp :P |
| 18:05.19 | Lopeppeppy | I was a counselor, not a camper. :) |
| 18:05.36 | KarlKFI | that can be fun... |
| 18:06.29 | Lopeppeppy | I enjoyed it a lot. |
| 18:07.09 | Lunessa | We are CITs so pity us. The kids are brats the food is hideous. |
| 18:07.59 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry peppey, little girls ARE ticklish |
| 18:08.09 | Lunessa | ... I'm the only one who saw "Meatballs" then. |
| 18:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | My six sisters know this fact well |
| 18:09.30 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: That's a lot of estrogen in a single household. |
| 18:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: buddy you have no iea |
| 18:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | *idea |
| 18:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | That's just the effect of stacking, ScytheBlade1. |
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| 18:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | stacking? |
| 18:10.12 | mikma | hah |
| 18:10.23 | KarlKFI | Like Thadius? |
| 18:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | estrogen levels increases exponentially with the number of females |
| 18:10.53 | KarlKFI | POLARITY HAS SHIFTED |
| 18:11.17 | KarlKFI | hey sbo, how's the new server going? |
| 18:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | epic |
| 18:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering my account is dead |
| 18:11.45 | Lunessa | Sbo - I assume you're not the youngest, so you've had to deal with "dude, your sister is hot" comments. |
| 18:11.49 | KarlKFI | dead? |
| 18:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: oldest |
| 18:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: canceled! |
| 18:12.02 | KarlKFI | y4? |
| 18:12.07 | Cide- | ouch |
| 18:12.09 | Lunessa | SBO /comfort |
| 18:12.17 | Cide- | that made me cringe |
| 18:12.40 | ScytheBlade1 | All of them are scattered amongst middle/high school now |
| 18:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty much terrible |
| 18:13.00 | KarlKFI | hopefully you dont still live at home? |
| 18:13.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me money and I'm so far past gone |
| 18:13.14 | KarlKFI | >.< |
| 18:13.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Or I could just drop out, and I'd have money |
| 18:13.36 | KarlKFI | a manly hug |
| 18:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | So it is one evil or the other |
| 18:13.53 | KarlKFI | like chest bump + back pat |
| 18:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: yeah, my random afks suddenly make more sense now ;) |
| 18:14.25 | KarlKFI | i had 2 older sisters |
| 18:14.29 | KarlKFI | they weren't too bad |
| 18:14.54 | KarlKFI | have* |
| 18:15.28 | KarlKFI | what'd you just get more bored after having paid $ to xfer? |
| 18:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | I have one older sibling of each species, they were meh. |
| 18:15.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't transfer |
| 18:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Both of my 80s are still on DH |
| 18:15.54 | KarlKFI | ahh |
| 18:15.59 | Aqua | I have an older sister that everyone gives me the "want to bang" comment |
| 18:16.38 | KarlKFI | My unmaried sister is in grad school, she's fully capible of fending off guys without my help |
| 18:18.20 | p3lim | Any german people here? |
| 18:18.47 | KarlKFI | there's something about being highly educated that turns off most of the people who would say "dude, your sister is hot" |
| 18:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Hopefully that's because the people around her are also somewhat educated |
| 18:20.01 | KarlKFI | I'm at least half german if that counts, but i dont speak german, so probably not. |
| 18:20.16 | KarlKFI | one would hope, sbo |
| 18:20.57 | KarlKFI | tho there's also something about grad school that kind of requires you to be cocky... cause you have to know you're smart or you wouldn't have applied... |
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| 18:23.30 | alestane | Okay, apparently I have to run out for ant traps. My kitchen has just been totally overrun by little winged ants. |
| 18:23.32 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: When my mom married my step-dad, I meet his daughters from a previous marriage at the wedding. The eldest was .. smoking ... and all my friends were like "dude, hook me up with your new sister." /writsts |
| 18:23.34 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Species? |
| 18:24.14 | KarlKFI | i've never met a winged ant in my house, are they tasty alestane? |
| 18:24.22 | Landrell | O.o |
| 18:24.25 | alestane | I am not finding out. |
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| 18:24.59 | Landrell | Nasty little buggers. They get into just about everything. |
| 18:25.06 | KarlKFI | Lunessa, where were you living? |
| 18:25.08 | Cide- | Lunessa: and you were like "family first people, get in line!"? |
| 18:25.15 | krka | can they even get into prison break? |
| 18:25.22 | Lunessa | Karl, I was 15, and living in LA. |
| 18:25.24 | krka | if so, they are really impressive creatures |
| 18:25.29 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~ |
| 18:25.29 | purl | I'm ignoring you now. |
| 18:25.31 | Lunessa | Los Angeles that is. |
| 18:25.32 | KarlKFI | ahhh |
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| 18:25.41 | Shirik | night |
| 18:25.50 | KarlKFI | yeah at 15 i guess smokers were a bit sexy |
| 18:25.58 | Shirik | ~lart KarlKFI |
| 18:25.58 | purl | beats KarlKFI into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 18:26.05 | KarlKFI | till you realized it was gross |
| 18:26.21 | KarlKFI | but it was more the forbiden nature |
| 18:26.30 | Lunessa | No.... smoking as in hot. As in wolf-whistle. |
| 18:26.37 | KarlKFI | seeing as forbiden things are almost always aluring... |
| 18:26.46 | KarlKFI | ooh |
| 18:26.53 | KarlKFI | well then your should have said that.. |
| 18:27.13 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 18:27.20 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, species. |
| 18:27.27 | Landrell | It's the taboo of it all. |
| 18:27.32 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 18:28.17 | Cairenn|afk | got a response from the carbonite folks: |
| 18:28.19 | Cairenn|afk | "Actually the bug happened from some updates to the security code to make it harder to hack. The paid version was being worked on first as always and the expiration of 2099 the free version normally has was missing in the new code, so same expiration as the paid version was used. Our build process strips out pieces of code from the base code to make the final code. |
| 18:28.19 | Cairenn|afk | We are actually planning to release a third type of Carbonite addon, which we are developing after haggling over it with Blizzard. I can't go into details yet. Could you please just remove 2.03 from wowinterface and make 2.02 the default?" |
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| 18:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, a new flavor, is it? |
| 18:29.11 | Lunessa | :D |
| 18:29.13 | Landrell | Sehr interessant... |
| 18:29.14 | Cairenn|afk | errr, damn, wrong channel |
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| 18:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:29.24 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 18:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That was totally meant for the admin channel |
| 18:29.36 | Landrell | too late! |
| 18:29.36 | Anaral | whoops |
| 18:29.50 | Cairenn|afk | oh well, doesn't really matter, not like there's anything nasty there |
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| 18:30.01 | zenzelezz | ... or is there? |
| 18:31.20 | Anaral | Any map mods updated with PTR maps and dungeons yet, by chance? |
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| 18:33.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 18:34.20 | durcyn | Anaral: the base UI has instance maps now, it seems. |
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| 18:35.33 | Landrell | ! |
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| 18:36.43 | Hirsute | *dance* |
| 18:36.57 | Hirsute | Does that mean we have coords inside instances now, as well? |
| 18:37.11 | Gnarfoz | probably still not |
| 18:37.15 | nevcairiel | We do |
| 18:37.18 | nevcairiel | but only in northrend instances |
| 18:37.19 | Gnarfoz | whee? |
| 18:37.21 | Anaral | durcyn, yes I know, but you can't view the dungeons without being in them. |
| 18:37.26 | nevcairiel | or rather, in instances where we have a map |
| 18:37.39 | Gnarfoz | we had instance coordinates for a long time now btw! GPSlib! :D |
| 18:37.47 | nevcairiel | totally inaccurate |
| 18:37.48 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 18:37.53 | Hirsute | Inaccurate and spammy |
| 18:37.55 | durcyn | oh, in that case, no, i'm not aware of any chooser for them yet |
| 18:38.05 | Esamynn | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 18:38.05 | purl | blames Gnarfoz for all the evil in the world |
| 18:38.16 | Esamynn | hah! |
| 18:38.18 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 18:38.18 | purl | :), Esamynn |
| 18:38.34 | Hirsute | So we only have instance maps for Northrend instance, mostly? |
| 18:38.47 | Esamynn | that would suck :( |
| 18:39.08 | Hirsute | Well, currently, at least. Hopefully they'll add them in for all instances. |
| 18:40.37 | Gnarfoz | Esamynn: didn't do it! |
| 18:40.58 | Esamynn | lies |
| 19:03.34 | Adys | clearing karazhan 2man |
| 19:03.35 | Adys | without healer |
| 19:03.36 | Adys | = fun |
| 19:03.52 | AckisWork | gah I sit by the womans washroom on the office floor, and there's like a 90% woman population here... i'm starting to look at any and all butts that are female and walk by my desk |
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| 19:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, shut your door halfway, that's an HR "discussion" waiting to happen. |
| 19:04.52 | AckisWork | I has no door |
| 19:05.23 | alestane | And by discussion, she means "reprimand" or possibly "dismissal." |
| 19:06.13 | AckisWork | alestane: unless pr0no music plays in the background? :D |
| 19:07.06 | Lunessa | AckisWork: some seriously good advice there. |
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| 19:15.20 | alestane | Random lessons for the industry: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/10/15/ |
| 19:21.10 | Dagmar | I remember what caused that |
| 19:21.35 | Dagmar | It was pretty damn shady to sue over that, since most of those damn stores WON'T carry something on release day unless you pre-ordered it. |
| 19:21.49 | Landrell | lol..that's terrible. |
| 19:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, crisper sandwiches. |
| 19:24.34 | Lunessa | alestane: I laughed, I cried, I wanted a crisper sandwich. |
| 19:25.19 | Lopeppeppy | Glad I'm not the only one. |
| 19:25.53 | Thunder_Child | s/I laughed, I cried/I laughed, you cried/ |
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| 19:30.02 | Lunessa | This reminds me of teaching my brother to run games - http://penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 19:30.14 | AckisWork | people are suing valve for digital delivery stuff? |
| 19:31.33 | alestane | AckisWork: The cartoon is from 2004. |
| 19:31.52 | AckisWork | dur |
| 19:34.14 | Adys | Has XRS ever been fixed for Dalaran Brilliance? |
| 19:35.39 | Lunessa | " 'Brian, what's the plural for box?' 'Boxen. I bought two boxen of donuts.' |
| 19:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | .... Lunessa. Stop making me hungry or I'll eat your internets. |
| 19:36.38 | Lunessa | Internets taste good with a side of QQ. |
| 19:36.51 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom, baby. |
| 19:38.58 | alestane | These ants just don't stop coming, dammit. |
| 19:39.30 | Dagmar | Slightly burned mage ribs with QQ sauce. Yum. |
| 19:40.16 | Lunessa | alestane: It's breeding season. Get some spray. |
| 19:40.20 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, it's still very cold in your area, snow and all... they are coming from somewhere inside. Make sure they're not termites or carpenter ants, both will need an exterminator from the landlord. |
| 19:40.43 | alestane | Oh, they're definitely coming from the inside of teh house somewhere. |
| 19:41.01 | alestane | Behind the fridge or under the kitchen cabinets. |
| 19:41.13 | alestane | I should probably take a look in the basement. |
| 19:43.04 | Dagmar | I've killed ants before, but that was fogging which not many people like doing |
| 19:43.31 | alestane | I just threw ant traps down all over the blinking kitchen, but since I don't think they're looking for food right now, they may not have much of an effect. |
| 19:44.51 | Tekkub | ants are a bitch |
| 19:45.18 | alestane | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/3/23/ Doesn't this constitute cruelty to animals or something? |
| 19:45.48 | Tekkub | we had em in AR, they came in at one spot, followed an exact path up Trey's desk and went for his soda cans and old food... |
| 19:46.04 | Tekkub | so we put traps right on that path... and they just went around them |
| 19:46.20 | Dagmar | Rather than get rid of the old food and soda cans? |
| 19:46.29 | Dagmar | Must have been good soda |
| 19:46.31 | Tekkub | this is Trey |
| 19:47.01 | Tekkub | even with ants he can't learn to pick up his shit |
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| 19:48.32 | Lopeppeppy | Sooner you figure it out, alestane, the sooner they stop coming. Check the basement, ya. |
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| 19:50.47 | alestane | None visible in the basement, but I can't get into the entire basement, it's been divided up into storage units for the tenants and the other ones are locked. I may need to bug the neighbors. |
| 19:51.35 | AckisWork | Adys: I saw a commit note about it, however it still doesn't seem to work for me and I haven't had a chance to putter around |
| 19:51.49 | Adys | : |
| 19:51.51 | Adys | :/ |
| 19:54.17 | Lopeppeppy | alestane... bug the neighbors? *giggle* |
| 19:54.59 | alestane | Just talked to my landlady. |
| 19:55.21 | alestane | She says the space under my kitchen is concrete slab, so they must be coming in from outside and I should spray. |
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| 19:56.14 | alestane | They are not coming in from the exterior sides of the house, however; they appear to be coming from behind the fridge and under the stove. |
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| 19:56.56 | Lunessa | ick |
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| 19:57.22 | Lunessa | Very few things bother me, but bugs near food or food prep does. |
| 19:57.33 | Lopeppeppy | You should spray? SHE should spray, alestane. And have you determined they're not termites yet? |
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| 19:59.26 | Thunder_Child | 4gb of ddr2 ram for $20 if anyone is interested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184&nm_mc=AFC-Bensbargains&cm_mmc=AFC-Bensbargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA |
| 19:59.35 | Adys | i totally didnt read "termites", Lopeppeppy |
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| 20:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, where's yer brain? |
| 20:01.10 | Adys | I read "mashed potatoes" |
| 20:01.14 | Adys | it sounded really weird |
| 20:01.33 | Lopeppeppy | .... ooooohkay, put down the crackpipe and step away from the keyboard. |
| 20:02.16 | Tekkub | TC, you lie |
| 20:02.35 | Tekkub | $45 and a rebate != $20 |
| 20:03.24 | Tekkub | it's $45 with a 10% chance of becoming $20 3 months down the road |
| 20:04.32 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I'm pretty sure they're not termites. They look like ants to me, right after they've matured when they still have their wings. |
| 20:04.43 | Adys | I didn't read "ants" |
| 20:04.45 | Adys | nor "wings" |
| 20:04.47 | Adys | Im so sorry |
| 20:05.16 | alestane | Adys. Go get some sleep or eat a cookie and get that blood sugar back up. |
| 20:05.33 | Adys | wow, I didn't read "sugar" there |
| 20:06.19 | Adys | would help if i were actually reading |
| 20:06.29 | Industrial | haha some spriest on vent talking about trash and why hes so high on threat |
| 20:06.40 | Industrial | "I have fade bount to two keys now actually" |
| 20:06.57 | Industrial | some other duded goes "yeah cause your fat fingers cant reach the first fast enough" |
| 20:07.03 | Industrial | hilarity ensues, we wipe |
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| 20:24.52 | p3lim | Just killed flame levitan :P |
| 20:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | Is that a good thing? |
| 20:25.04 | p3lim | Now I really really hate vehicle fights |
| 20:25.36 | Tekkub | I saw a great argument against "serious" vehicle fights |
| 20:25.48 | kneeki | Is there a guide or FAQ to help with the integration of ButtonFacade into other people's addons? wowace.com is very cryptic to me, and I have trouble finding even the simplest of things on that site. |
| 20:26.14 | Tekkub | basically, I spent 80 levels + endgame mastering my class... to be thrown into a vehicle and expected to do something completely different |
| 20:26.28 | Dagmar | Meh, it's only a few buttons |
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| 20:27.00 | Tekkub | vehicles is a fun mechanic, yes, but vehicle based bosses might be taking it too far |
| 20:27.08 | Tekkub | everyone hates the Oculus |
| 20:27.12 | Dagmar | Now, if they were to throw us into a vehicle with two dozen cooldowns and the intricacies of control usually only found in very small and very expensive planes, THEN I'd bitch |
| 20:27.27 | Dagmar | I'm fine with Oculus. My people wiped on it once. |
| 20:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i love the oculus |
| 20:27.44 | Dagmar | Then we said "Okay, we're expected to read" and spent about 10 minutes discussing our magic buttons. |
| 20:27.47 | Dagmar | We've not had a problem since. |
| 20:27.55 | Tekkub | I want to SEE the oculus but can never get anyone to go |
| 20:27.58 | NeoTron | I only hate the oculus because it's the instance I've done the most helping other people doing achievements |
| 20:27.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: that argument is the exact reason i love vehicles. :P |
| 20:28.18 | Dagmar | Tekkub: Wow. If you were on Skywall I'd just say "Meet me 1am tonight" and go pug it |
| 20:28.38 | End | I don't like vehicles, because even if I learn them, the next time I go do something involving them, I find out noone else has any fucking clue what they're doing |
| 20:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | End: how is that different than normal. 90% of wow players have any fucking clue what their doing anyway |
| 20:29.04 | Dagmar | It's actually not very hard, it just means people gotta read the tooltips and not try to faceroll through it |
| 20:29.08 | NightHawkTheSane | dont* |
| 20:29.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: see above statement. :P |
| 20:29.36 | Dagmar | As to "coordination", even in heroic the only coordination we really needed on the time stops was me and my girlfriend taking turns |
| 20:29.57 | End | most players have a vague idea what they're doing |
| 20:30.00 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, but if you settle for that kind of nonsense, after awhile you get EverQuest |
| 20:30.32 | Dagmar | ...where every fight is tank+healer+cheerleaders because people allowed idiots to set the new standard |
| 20:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: oh, i'm not saying the idiots should set the standard |
| 20:30.58 | Dagmar | Games should not be so easy you can play them so high you can't spell your own name correctly. |
| 20:31.19 | Lopeppeppy | And I had raid mates like that. *sigh* |
| 20:31.39 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, i'm saying that because the game is filled with idiots that have no fucking idea how to play, vehicles, and other alternative mechanics should not be shied away from, because those people aren't going to have a fucking clue regardless |
| 20:32.00 | NightHawkTheSane | shyed? |
| 20:32.11 | NightHawkTheSane | no, shied is right, nevermind |
| 20:33.04 | Lunessa | A friend of mine put it this way, "Vehicle fights are a great equalizer. " They equalize everything down to the one skill of "paying attention." |
| 20:33.34 | Dagmar | Yeah, I think that's another reason some people bitch about them. |
| 20:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | Paying attention plus lag plus the person talking actually being helpful in their description. |
| 20:33.54 | Dagmar | They've spent all this time collecting gear that lets them faceroll through things, and suddenly all that gear amounts to nothing. |
| 20:34.08 | Dagmar | Count on the very same complaints coming when Argent Tournament hits live |
| 20:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, god forbid you have to learn something once in a while |
| 20:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | Can't tell you how many raids were wiped because they wrote their directions from a screenshot which was 180 degrees. |
| 20:34.17 | End | well, the other reason I don't like them is because I have to learn new key bindings, but I can get that with practice |
| 20:34.39 | Dagmar | End: I've just got my possess bar mapped to F1-F10. |
| 20:34.44 | Dagmar | Obviously I am not a healer |
| 20:34.53 | End | how does that help |
| 20:34.55 | NightHawkTheSane | End: well, most vehicles only have a small handful of abilities, so thats not terribly difficult |
| 20:35.00 | End | oh, you don't have that mapped already |
| 20:35.04 | End | all my f1-f10 do shit |
| 20:35.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. This is the best school of child care ever! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/04/funny-pictures-is-immobilizing-the-baby/ |
| 20:35.55 | Lunessa | WotLK does make pretty extensive use of the mechanic. And not as much of the "omg, quit standing the fucking fire!" mechanic. |
| 20:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | there's plenty of 'don't stand in the fucking fire', though :P |
| 20:36.31 | End | some of it is void zones now though :P |
| 20:36.38 | Lunessa | Just not as much as BC. |
| 20:36.42 | NightHawkTheSane | true,a nd some of it is old-school mechanics inherited from naxx |
| 20:36.55 | NightHawkTheSane | the fire is purely metaphorical (mostly) anyway :P |
| 20:37.03 | NeoTron | Dagmar: afaik they already stated that the fight (or vehicles) will scale with gear |
| 20:37.25 | NeoTron | for Flame Leviathan that is |
| 20:37.27 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I'll believe it when I see it |
| 20:37.37 | Dagmar | That's not part of the Tournament |
| 20:37.37 | End | I think that's good, because I don't want it to be like fucking razorgore all over again |
| 20:37.58 | NeoTron | they already scale vehicles in Wintergrasp. not very hard to imagine scaling in a raid based on gear |
| 20:38.06 | NightHawkTheSane | fucking razorgore sounds uncomfortable |
| 20:38.14 | End | it was, for us |
| 20:38.17 | durcyn | nah, soft dragon underbelly. |
| 20:38.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and kind of creepy. what with all the adds watching |
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| 20:38.51 | End | we'd one shot nefarian, but wipe for an hour and a half on razorgore. >:( |
| 20:38.58 | End | so we'd start the night with wiping |
| 20:39.02 | End | and end with smooth sailing |
| 20:39.14 | NeoTron | that's pretty fail since the fights are quite similar concepts "add control" followed by "burndown phase" |
| 20:39.22 | End | well |
| 20:39.29 | End | I was worthless on that fight |
| 20:39.30 | End | as a healer |
| 20:39.30 | Lunessa | kneeki: I think you want to see: http://www.wowace.com/projects/buttonfacade/pages/lib-button-facade/ |
| 20:39.33 | NeoTron | I guess you must have had a really fail mind controller |
| 20:39.43 | End | no |
| 20:39.48 | End | mind controller was fine |
| 20:39.57 | End | adds would get loose mostly |
| 20:40.10 | End | and if I healed anyone I would wipe us, due to the kiters not having aggro |
| 20:40.20 | End | fun fight (no not really) |
| 20:42.49 | Dagmar | Zen kiting? |
| 20:44.01 | End | I don't know what the fuck our kiters were doing |
| 20:44.07 | Lunessa | It is not the Mob which is kited, but the kiter who bends. Only try to realize, there is no aggro. |
| 20:44.12 | End | lol |
| 20:44.13 | Dagmar | Maybe using taunts. :) |
| 20:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | Zen knitting.... |
| 20:44.53 | Dagmar | "Improved Taunt: Makes the target focus on you for 8 seconds before killing the healer" |
| 20:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 20:46.49 | Gnarfoz | that's not how taunt works :p |
| 20:47.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, it actually is.... |
| 20:47.21 | Dagmar | That's why it's the Improved taunt |
| 20:47.31 | Dagmar | You normally only get six seconds I think |
| 20:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | Improved is a whole extra heal I get off! |
| 20:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | heya, jelly-dear |
| 20:48.13 | Gnarfoz | your funmaking is not funneh :( |
| 20:49.25 | Lopeppeppy | Sucking concrete in raids isn't funny either, healers have to do something to amuse ourselves. |
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| 20:50.56 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, stop whining |
| 20:51.33 | Tekkub | you slow, I stopped like 20 min ago |
| 20:51.44 | Thunder_Child | i wasnt here |
| 20:51.47 | Thunder_Child | had to make up |
| 20:52.03 | Tekkub | well I hope you used enough makeup |
| 20:52.07 | Tem | oh man |
| 20:52.13 | Tem | a video posted as a spoiler |
| 20:52.22 | Tem | has anyone watched it? |
| 20:52.29 | Thunder_Child | ok, how about a $0 bluetooth usb dongle? http://www.1saleaday.com/ |
| 20:52.44 | Dagmar | Does it NOT induce audio lag? |
| 20:52.53 | Dagmar | That's what *I* want. Lag-free bluetooth |
| 20:53.05 | Tekkub | how much is the shipping? :P |
| 20:53.21 | Tekkub | $6 :P |
| 20:53.23 | Thunder_Child | $6 |
| 20:53.36 | Thunder_Child | thats why i didnt say free |
| 20:53.58 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12656-3.0.9.2.html |
| 20:54.05 | Tekkub | can I smack this guy? |
| 20:54.24 | Tekkub | the description reads like those stupid ol paranoid firewalls... |
| 20:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | Go for it. |
| 20:54.46 | Tekkub | Block the HIDDEN file server that comes with EVERY version of Windows! |
| 20:55.04 | Dagmar | He should take a look at what Carbonite is doing. |
| 20:55.07 | durcyn | steve gibson is a fucking toolbox. |
| 20:55.10 | Dagmar | There's FUN to be had there |
| 20:55.10 | durcyn | that is all. |
| 20:55.17 | Lunessa | Tekkub: No, you can't smack him - I haven't got all the bugs out of my "smack over the internet" widget yet. But flame away! |
| 20:55.27 | Tekkub | phone spiders? |
| 20:55.28 | Dagmar | durcyn: no argument there |
| 20:56.08 | Dagmar | Hmm.. I'm allowed to make comments on the addon. :) |
| 20:56.20 | alestane | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/10/10/ How many kinds of bad play can you get into one dungeon run? |
| 20:59.03 | alestane | Funny thing. |
| 20:59.15 | Thunder_Child | he said odd....not funny |
| 20:59.22 | Lunessa | alestane: Apparently you can get all kinds of wrong into a single run. |
| 20:59.51 | Dagmar | Letting a drunk freshman tank without vent is one easy one |
| 20:59.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: once you click, you can't stop. it's like pringles |
| 21:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I've been doing that since some time in middle school. |
| 21:00.53 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or has alch kinda gone down the tubes since it's no longer required to get your foot in the door in raids? |
| 21:00.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've tried to get a friend to read PA |
| 21:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | He tried one afternoon, clicked "First" and started reading |
| 21:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | He came back a few hours later, having given up |
| 21:01.24 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Does not parse. WTF are you talking about? |
| 21:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "I thought it was weird that they were making jokes about the Dreamcast, then I realized this was started some time in 1999" |
| 21:01.52 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, alchemy |
| 21:02.09 | Thunder_Child | is it not as important/useful anymore |
| 21:02.10 | Lunessa | Why would you ever have needed it to get into raids? |
| 21:03.03 | Thunder_Child | i meant starting a raid in the old days you would need to pot up to start doing the instance |
| 21:03.03 | Thunder_Child | just untill you could get geared |
| 21:03.03 | Thunder_Child | now that isnt an issue |
| 21:03.18 | Lunessa | Perhaps I was just a jackass, but I never flasked to make up for a lack of gear. |
| 21:03.37 | Dagmar | I only flasked for dps-enhancement |
| 21:03.50 | Dagmar | ...and fished and cooked. |
| 21:04.05 | Lunessa | I hated flasks pre-BC because I didn't want to go to goddamned scholo all the time. |
| 21:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | Alchemy sucks now, Thunder_Child, except for personal use, maybe to help you farm or level faster. |
| 21:04.30 | Dagmar | I just dump nearly all my crap into the AH, and just buy what I need with munny |
| 21:04.51 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, ok. thats the vibe i was getting with alch |
| 21:05.04 | Dagmar | You should have hassled them to make the alchemy potions be able to ignore size restrictions. |
| 21:05.20 | Dagmar | Dwarves will pay good money for something that will make them twice as large as normal. |
| 21:05.29 | Dagmar | ...but only if it stacks with other things that do the same. |
| 21:05.37 | Thunder_Child | like viagra? |
| 21:05.40 | Dagmar | I'm actually somewhat irked they put a limit on that now. |
| 21:05.54 | Dagmar | Last Halloween I was practically able to block out the sun |
| 21:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Another WoW related PA: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/1/23/ |
| 21:06.05 | Dagmar | we the one before last actually |
| 21:06.28 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Considering they've been playing since Closed Beta and have not one but two guilds, you'll find a lot of those |
| 21:06.46 | Dagmar | Now dwarves can only get a bit larger than tauren, and it takes the boot flask to do it |
| 21:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | Boot to the head |
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| 21:08.15 | Dagmar | I was hoping the boot flask would let you bypass it, but apparently the boot flask counts as about 80% of the size increase you're allowed |
| 21:08.31 | Dagmar | So much for my plans of showing up in Wintergrasp looking like a new raid boss |
| 21:11.53 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* inn's w/o mailboxes fail |
| 21:12.14 | Tekkub | quit your whining TC |
| 21:12.20 | Tekkub | and level up engy |
| 21:12.28 | Thunder_Child | just following in your footsteps Tekkub |
| 21:12.34 | Tekkub | poorly |
| 21:12.35 | Thunder_Child | engy? |
| 21:12.41 | Tekkub | MOLL-E |
| 21:12.48 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 21:12.56 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.09 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40768 |
| 21:13.47 | Thunder_Child | meh, rather expensive |
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| 21:14.23 | Tekkub | again with the poorly executed whining |
| 21:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | Not destroyed? So, um... it sits there and is not useful after the 10 minutes? |
| 21:15.28 | Tekkub | no they had to put that in to appease the whiners like TC that the item isn't consumed |
| 21:15.47 | Thunder_Child | weee, whining worked |
| 21:15.53 | Thunder_Child | except in Tekkub's case |
| 21:16.17 | Tekkub | whining has worked wonderfully for me the past 2.5 days |
| 21:16.22 | Tekkub | <3 being sick |
| 21:16.28 | Tekkub | except the being sick part |
| 21:16.45 | Tekkub | I slept all day Monday, half the day yesterday |
| 21:16.57 | Tekkub | and I just have to whimper and Trey does shit without question |
| 21:17.23 | Tekkub | he doesn't even bitch that I'm not going to the store with him |
| 21:18.30 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, send me a clone of Trey who likes curvy redheads, will ya? |
| 21:19.09 | Tekkub | only works if you're sick though :P |
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| 21:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | I've been sick since Sunday, I neeeeeeeed my clone! *whine* |
| 21:22.21 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I may be passing by on the way to and from Ithaca this weekend... |
| 21:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | Do tell, alestane? I have Saturday night plans, but if you guys are passing on Sunday we'll figure something! |
| 21:24.54 | alestane | It depends on whether or not Kat arranges access to the dorm the defunct chapter of her fraternity was storing stuff in, which stuff has to be extracted now that the chapter is no longer active on campus. |
| 21:25.07 | alestane | But if we go we'll probably be passing back on Sunday. |
| 21:25.46 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hooking_Outgoing_Chat_Messages |
| 21:25.51 | foxlit | Does that even make sense? |
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| 21:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | Let me know when your plans are firmed up. |
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| 21:27.49 | durcyn | foxlit: what's wrong with ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter? |
| 21:28.06 | foxlit | durcyn: "Outgoing" |
| 21:28.11 | Dagmar | foxlit: looks like it makes sense to me |
| 21:28.36 | durcyn | foxlit: which I know works for CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM, at least |
| 21:28.45 | foxlit | durcyn: "Outgoing" |
| 21:28.49 | durcyn | blah. |
| 21:29.08 | Dagmar | Now just write a Literacy mod to fix people spelling of "rouge" and "ur" and "teh" |
| 21:29.20 | Lopeppeppy | I go home now, bye! |
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| 21:29.24 | foxlit | (the intent is to alter the message being sent out, not display of messages already sent) |
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| 21:31.08 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: ChatEdit_ParseText gets called extremely often even before you press enter, you could use OnTextChanged instead |
| 21:31.23 | Dagmar | "This addon will aid you in getting into PUGs because you'll look like less of an idiot." |
| 21:31.54 | Dagmar | You could call it ColdCream since it eliminates rougue. |
| 21:32.02 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: if I wrote that, I'd suggest just hooking SendChatMessage directly |
| 21:32.03 | Dagmar | s/gue/ge/; |
| 21:33.13 | Arrowmaster | chatters telltarget module used to use ChatEdit_ParseText but i changed it to use OnTextChanged and it now just does a 'if text:sub(1, 4) == "/tt " then' in that hook |
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| 21:34.50 | Lunessa | Dagmar: lawl |
| 21:35.25 | Lunessa | Actually, that would make a nice chatter or Prat module. |
| 21:36.38 | Dagmar | Hey, as often as it messes with me I've _never_ considered disabling the hackish way X-Chat fixes "teh" |
| 21:36.45 | Hirsute | Oooh, what would make a nice chat addon module? |
| 21:36.49 | Dagmar | I think it would be well-recieved. |
| 21:37.00 | Hirsute | Spell checking? |
| 21:37.20 | Dagmar | Hirsute: An addon that fixes common 'tard spellings of things like r-o-g-u-e |
| 21:37.59 | durcyn | fixing misspellings for morons makes morons harder to identify, though. |
| 21:38.03 | Hirsute | I have a macro that replaces " ur " with "you're", makes me happy. |
| 21:38.39 | Dagmar | durcyn: Yeah, but it's the untrainable idiots you want to avoid |
| 21:38.48 | Hirsute | It'll be breaking with 3.1 unless I get around to recoding it, though. |
| 21:38.49 | Dagmar | The trainable ones generally respond well to encouragement |
| 21:39.22 | Dagmar | My guild is mostly couples (by side-effect) so we rather commonly fill that last spot with some random person who may or may not be 11. |
| 21:39.28 | Tekkub | there's a difference between corrcting typos (teh) and fixing stupid type (ur) |
| 21:39.42 | Dagmar | Once you get them schooled in the basics like "Skull dies first" and so on they can be pretty useful |
| 21:41.11 | Dagmar | Now if I can just get my guild leader to get over his fear of Magic Marker... |
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| 21:44.03 | Lunessa | Sometimes though, I use UR, TEH, SUP, PL0X and similar as humor with friends. |
| 21:44.34 | Dagmar | Yeah, I tend to greet new guildies in LOLCAT and then have to explain myself later |
| 21:44.42 | Dagmar | What's "pl0x" tho? |
| 21:45.33 | Lunessa | Please. |
| 21:45.40 | Lunessa | Yes, PLOX |
| 21:45.48 | Dagmar | *blinkblink* OKay. |
| 21:45.55 | Lunessa | making fun of plx. |
| 21:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i dont get that one either |
| 21:46.06 | mikma | dear lord |
| 21:46.13 | Lunessa | which is making fun of plz |
| 21:46.16 | mikma | pugnaxx with paladin ot who is first time in naxx |
| 21:46.24 | Lunessa | So, recursive humor is ... something. |
| 21:46.34 | Dagmar | OOoo I got to razz a coworker yesterday who was acutlaly looking up something about a MegaMan boss for his kid |
| 21:46.45 | Dagmar | "Looking up info on the new Ulduar bosses?" |
| 21:47.58 | Dagmar | Now that I've bought a mekgineer's chopper just you watch and see if that mount doesn't drop the first time I go in there |
| 21:49.15 | ZorbaBeta | mikma, well, you gotta learn eventually :) |
| 21:52.11 | Thunder_Child | the first time i ever went into naxx was 25 on my priest and the first boss fight i got to was ravious |
| 21:52.33 | Thunder_Child | or however his name is spelle |
| 21:52.33 | Thunder_Child | d |
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| 21:57.14 | Kirov | Razouvious |
| 21:57.24 | Thunder_Child | ya, that |
| 21:57.41 | Kirov | Yeah, we had two new priests, one fresh to Naxx 25 on Razouvious last night. |
| 21:57.43 | Kirov | That was ... fun |
| 21:57.57 | Kirov | Amazingly, only lost 2 people. |
| 21:58.00 | Thunder_Child | the other priest that did it with me had never done it before either |
| 21:58.05 | Adys | Anyone on the EU tournament realms around? |
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| 22:02.21 | Shirik | rawr |
| 22:02.41 | Thunder_Child | HELLO Shirik |
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| 22:02.51 | Shirik | Hi Thunder_Child |
| 22:02.58 | Shirik | see, by saying that, I realize you don't want anything |
| 22:04.02 | Thunder_Child | oh good, you have fallen into my trap |
| 22:05.56 | alestane | HELO shirik.net |
| 22:06.03 | Lunessa | LOL - http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2009/03/sean-connery-has-painting-of-himself |
| 22:06.50 | Thunder_Child | his wife is.....not all that attractive... |
| 22:07.08 | Dagmar | He's not that bad of an artist, but I'm sure there's a whole lot of girls who are very disappointed right now |
| 22:07.18 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: She's probably as old as he is... |
| 22:07.30 | Lunessa | She painted the picture, not him. |
| 22:07.34 | Thunder_Child | some people age well Shirik |
| 22:07.41 | Lunessa | Still - the comments are horridly funny. |
| 22:07.58 | Dagmar | Sharon Stone, for instance. |
| 22:08.21 | Shirik | random question |
| 22:08.25 | Shirik | Is the $ on UK keyboards? |
| 22:08.40 | Thunder_Child | s/well/well without medical procedures/ |
| 22:09.21 | Dagmar | Shirik: http://www.bristol.ac.uk/is/learning/documentation/keyboard-r1/keyboard-r1.gif |
| 22:09.37 | Dagmar | Has a bit to do with how "#" is commonly called "pound", too. |
| 22:09.53 | Shirik | that's really odd with # |
| 22:10.03 | Kirov | and the ~ |
| 22:10.06 | Thunder_Child | how do they have 3 chars for the tilde key? |
| 22:10.24 | Shirik | how are there 3 keys at ` |
| 22:10.25 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: right alt |
| 22:10.33 | foxlit | you silly US-centric people. |
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| 22:10.54 | Shirik | there's a difference between right alt and left alt? |
| 22:10.58 | Shirik | 'wtfhax |
| 22:11.00 | Dagmar | Pfft. Be glad you never tried to use some of the older IBMs |
| 22:11.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:11.07 | Tekkub | http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-on-twitter-i-have-no-idea-how-it-works-or-why-it-does-2009-3 |
| 22:11.11 | Arrowmaster | except US keyboards dont have alt-gr |
| 22:11.13 | Tekkub | god I love Samantha Bee |
| 22:11.15 | foxlit | yes. If you notice, it says "Alt Gr" rather than "Alt" |
| 22:11.22 | Shirik | What's Gr? |
| 22:11.29 | Thunder_Child | only because you silly brits need to have a two lvevl enter key |
| 22:11.29 | Tekkub | We don't even know what a normal "Gr" is |
| 22:11.35 | Dagmar | They do, the operating systems don't much care usually |
| 22:11.36 | Thunder_Child | level* |
| 22:11.38 | Tekkub | let alone why you need an alternate |
| 22:11.43 | Arrowmaster | wikipedia it |
| 22:11.56 | Tem|work | Shirik, how else does vent know the difference between left/right alt, shift, ctrl for push to talk? |
| 22:11.59 | Arrowmaster | also US English (international) layouts have an AltGr |
| 22:12.07 | Dagmar | Because there's a lot of older apps that used to use positively acrobatic keystroke combinations |
| 22:12.13 | Dagmar | ...mainly from before GUIs |
| 22:12.22 | Shirik | Tem|work: That's not exactly what I meant |
| 22:12.25 | Shirik | I know the codes are different |
| 22:12.30 | foxlit | Things I noticed today: |
| 22:12.35 | foxlit | There's no right alt on my keyboard :/ |
| 22:12.39 | Shirik | but not that, for basic purposes, there are differences |
| 22:12.40 | foxlit | It just goes |
| 22:12.47 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altgr |
| 22:12.48 | foxlit | Apple-Return-arrows |
| 22:12.51 | Codayus | I miss the meta key. |
| 22:12.52 | Arrowmaster | explains it very good |
| 22:13.00 | Codayus | That needs to come back. :-( |
| 22:13.24 | Tekkub | Just call the windows key meta and you'll be fine |
| 22:13.35 | Tekkub | hell scrape the logo off of it even |
| 22:13.54 | Dagmar | No need to scrape. |
| 22:14.02 | Codayus | And although I've never used a keyboard with one, I'm pretty sure getting hyper and super keys back would be nice. |
| 22:14.08 | Dagmar | Dentured rubbing alcohol will remove probably 2/3 of the silkscreening out there. |
| 22:14.40 | Codayus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard |
| 22:15.02 | Tekkub | do away with capslocks, insert, and numlock on full sized keyboards while you're at it :) |
| 22:15.12 | Shirik | Tekkub: That daily show is win |
| 22:15.25 | NightHawkTheSane | I just ran my microwave for 2m to make tomato soup. Except i forgot to put the soup in. >< |
| 22:15.31 | Tekkub | damnit, my stalker just grunted on my twitter |
| 22:15.42 | Thunder_Child | epic NightHawkTheSane, epic |
| 22:15.56 | Codayus | Hmm, numlock is arguable. Maybe scroll lock would be a better target... |
| 22:15.57 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, isn't that supoosed to be really bad for the microwave? |
| 22:16.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: possibly. i have no idea |
| 22:16.14 | Tekkub | numlock has no use on a full size keyboard |
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| 22:16.24 | foxlit | Sure it does |
| 22:16.25 | Tekkub | if it's a compact one, yes |
| 22:16.45 | foxlit | (you could use the numpad keys as their aliases rather than numbers :) ) |
| 22:16.52 | Tekkub | every one of the de-locked keys has a dedicated key in the nav keys |
| 22:17.07 | Tekkub | it's useless redundancy |
| 22:17.16 | foxlit | useful redundancy, perhaps |
| 22:17.32 | Codayus | Eh, people do use the numpad for both of its functions. |
| 22:17.39 | Tekkub | I know, lets add a FncLock key that makes the number keys do the exact same thing as the F* keys! |
| 22:17.40 | Lunessa | Me, for example. |
| 22:17.43 | Dagmar | I am for keeping numlock around just as an autorun key |
| 22:17.56 | Codayus | I've never seen anyone actually WANT to use scroll lock or caps lock, but numlock gets used. |
| 22:18.08 | Tekkub | Dagmar, replace it with a useful key and map that to autorun :P |
| 22:18.09 | Lunessa | Dagmar: That's the first goddamned thing I rebind in online games. |
| 22:18.17 | Shirik | Alternate Graphic |
| 22:18.24 | Tekkub | Gr |
| 22:18.28 | Tekkub | Grrrrrrrrr |
| 22:18.28 | Shirik | so does that mean the other alt key is "Alternate non-graphic"? |
| 22:18.29 | Tekkub | rawr |
| 22:18.41 | Tekkub | then your computer crashes |
| 22:18.43 | Shirik | oh oh |
| 22:18.45 | Shirik | I get it |
| 22:18.50 | Shirik | Is because |
| 22:18.57 | Shirik | Whenever they want to type funny symbols |
| 22:19.05 | Dagmar | No it means that all those weird little ANSI linedraw characters used to be all over the keys |
| 22:19.06 | Shirik | they have to "type the bloody french quote symbol" |
| 22:19.09 | Tekkub | yes it's just a modifier to get their silly accents |
| 22:19.12 | Shirik | so they call it graphic |
| 22:19.15 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 22:19.38 | Tekkub | I'm sure the Prince symbol is in there somewhere too |
| 22:19.51 | Shirik | If it requires AltGr, then it's bloody prince symbol |
| 22:19.54 | Shirik | remember, it's graphic |
| 22:20.16 | Tekkub | The artist formerly known as AltGr-P |
| 22:21.31 | Tekkub | honestly, the right-side modifiers can go too, unless it's AltGr instead of just Alt |
| 22:21.39 | Tekkub | I *never* touch those keys |
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| 22:21.46 | Dagmar | I wasn't kidding about the IBM keyboards. |
| 22:21.46 | Tekkub | the right-click one is handy at times |
| 22:22.12 | Dagmar | I can remember seeing one when I was 14 that made me wonder when they were going to start putting symbols on the sides of keys too |
| 22:22.21 | Shirik | British keyboards have both broken pipe and solid pipe? |
| 22:22.36 | Tekkub | heh, there's 11 keys I wouldn't even notice if they went missing from my board |
| 22:23.14 | Shirik | I think I need all my keys |
| 22:23.21 | Shirik | Every time I go to a mac I get pissed off when "end" stops responding |
| 22:23.35 | Tekkub | end is wonderful |
| 22:23.47 | End | I hate you guys |
| 22:23.48 | Tekkub | <3 ctrl-end |
| 22:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | what does that have to do with a mac? >.> |
| 22:23.54 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 22:23.58 | Shirik | imacs don't have it |
| 22:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | End: stop not responding to Shirik! |
| 22:24.29 | End | it only pings me if it's on the start or end of a message |
| 22:24.32 | Tekkub | If you don't like us fingering you all the time, change you name to Insert or Capslock |
| 22:24.56 | Tekkub | Insert is such a shitty key |
| 22:25.06 | Insert | no kidding! |
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| 22:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: the imac keyboards i'm looking at have an end key >.> |
| 22:25.27 | Tekkub | is it at the end? |
| 22:25.28 | Shirik | well the ones my friends have don't |
| 22:25.45 | Tekkub | Shirik, is it the current keyboard or an old one? |
| 22:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | do they have one of those compact wireless keyboards? |
| 22:26.01 | Tekkub | http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ |
| 22:26.15 | Lunessa | Mine has a end key |
| 22:26.18 | Shirik | Tekkub: current |
| 22:26.22 | NightHawkTheSane | because those are more like laptop keyboards, and so don't have separate home/end/page/etc keys |
| 22:26.31 | Tekkub | see apple got ONE thing right on their keyboard, no insert |
| 22:26.40 | Shirik | imac would be laptop keyboard, considering... imac is a laptop |
| 22:26.45 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 22:26.46 | Shirik | I meant macbook |
| 22:26.48 | Shirik | sorry |
| 22:26.49 | Tekkub | instead fn, which is probably as useless, but not as annoying if you bump it |
| 22:26.56 | Tekkub | since it sounds like a modifier |
| 22:27.01 | Shirik | SEE HOW LITTLE I KNOW ABOUT MACS |
| 22:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's a small difference :P |
| 22:27.11 | Kirov | fn is common on laptops |
| 22:27.22 | Tekkub | yea this is not a laptop :P |
| 22:27.37 | Tekkub | this is a full size keyboard where fn wouldn't be needed |
| 22:27.38 | Torhal | Screw AltGr. Bring back ATASCII. |
| 22:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: well, given the design, its not surprising |
| 22:28.14 | Tekkub | looks like apple puts the media keys on the F-keys via fn to reduce extra keys |
| 22:28.22 | Tekkub | can't say I like it or hate it |
| 22:28.33 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah.. |
| 22:28.35 | Lunessa | Like anything, it's all what you get used to. |
| 22:28.36 | Tekkub | also |
| 22:28.39 | Tekkub | NO NUMLOCK |
| 22:28.46 | Tekkub | clear is kinda odd though |
| 22:28.55 | Dagmar | Ooo... that exposes another error in Wikipedia |
| 22:29.01 | KarlKFI | nah, it's useful for calculator |
| 22:29.04 | NightHawkTheSane | clear is useful for doing 10-key in calculator applications |
| 22:29.26 | Tekkub | how can apple get the rest of the keyboard so right, and totally botch the ctrl/alt/meta modifiers? |
| 22:29.41 | KarlKFI | what's wrong about it? |
| 22:29.45 | Tekkub | esc == clear in calc :) |
| 22:30.12 | KarlKFI | yes but that's not near your right hand |
| 22:30.18 | Tekkub | mac makes ctrl into "command" and alt into ctrl and ??? into alt |
| 22:30.34 | Tekkub | yes but when I'm 10-keying my left does nothing anyway |
| 22:30.48 | NightHawkTheSane | some people might be doing things with their right hand |
| 22:30.50 | Dagmar | Or so you call it. |
| 22:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | left* |
| 22:31.22 | KarlKFI | how is that SO wrong? you'd rather have the windows key in between them? |
| 22:31.54 | Dagmar | I think a lot of Mac users would be pissed to have the Windows key in-between them. |
| 22:32.04 | Tekkub | because everyone else uses a standard (not just windows :P) but mac has to be all different |
| 22:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i'm just pissed to have a windows key |
| 22:32.23 | Tekkub | I'm not saying a win key, call it meta like it should be called |
| 22:32.46 | KarlKFI | that's why it's a Command key and not an Apple key any more |
| 22:33.08 | Thunder_Child | still has an apple on it doesnt it? |
| 22:33.11 | Tekkub | but it's doing the wrong stuffs! |
| 22:33.22 | Tekkub | no it has the gay ass "flower" |
| 22:33.25 | Lunessa | Ctrl, Option/Alt, CMD key. It's all good by me. |
| 22:33.25 | Thunder_Child | or is it that curlycue |
| 22:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: the latest models no longer have an apple logo on the command key |
| 22:34.56 | Dagmar | Too many easy jokes about "Open Apple? NEVAR!" |
| 22:35.10 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_key#The_.E2.8C.98.E2.80.99s_origin |
| 22:35.11 | Thunder_Child | but it still has an imge...whats wrong with just naming it "cmd"? |
| 22:35.15 | Thunder_Child | image* |
| 22:35.32 | NightHawkTheSane | the icon displays nicely in menus |
| 22:35.37 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 22:35.38 | Dagmar | ThunderChild: Because that would um... preindicate that the key is for a specific task |
| 22:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | also, once more, latest model keyboards do have the word 'command' as well as the icon |
| 22:35.59 | Dagmar | For whatever reason, keyboard designers get pretty finicky about that |
| 22:36.43 | Tekkub | "splodge" |
| 22:36.54 | Tekkub | fuck, you just made my not hate that key anymore |
| 22:37.05 | Tekkub | splodge-v to paste |
| 22:37.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I win! |
| 22:38.08 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 22:38.26 | KarlKFI | The "⌘" symbol, is known as a Gorgon loop, infinity matrix, or Saint John's Arms |
| 22:38.33 | KarlKFI | nicknames such as '"cloverleaf", "splat", "splodge", "overpass", "butterfly", "squiggle", "beanie", "flower", "cauliflower", "propeller" or "shamrock" |
| 22:38.41 | Thunder_Child | or twiddle |
| 22:38.45 | Fisker- | shitty mac symbol |
| 22:38.46 | KarlKFI | fuck twidle |
| 22:38.47 | Fisker- | is missing |
| 22:38.51 | Tekkub | don't twiddle on twitter |
| 22:39.03 | KarlKFI | twiddle is too close to tilda imo |
| 22:39.17 | Thunder_Child | fuck your opnion |
| 22:39.20 | Tekkub | no one knows what a tilda is anymore |
| 22:39.25 | Tekkub | or ampersand |
| 22:39.28 | Dagmar | Or how to epell it |
| 22:39.29 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 22:39.33 | KarlKFI | i use amps all the time |
| 22:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's an ampersand |
| 22:39.39 | NeoTron | aha: The vehicles have a base HP that then increases based on the ilvl of your gear - it does scale with gear to a degree |
| 22:39.49 | NeoTron | green quest gear won't be as good as naxx epics |
| 22:39.52 | knigitz | copy paste reveals the true identity of the weird symbol ⠌ ˜ |
| 22:40.19 | KarlKFI | not in this font.. |
| 22:40.21 | Kirov | So, DKs will be effed |
| 22:40.31 | knigitz | well, in my font it does ;) |
| 22:40.31 | Kirov | since their best in slot are heroic blues. |
| 22:40.35 | Dagmar | This would screw them why? |
| 22:40.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: meh, they can grab whatever ilvl 200/213 epics that would otherwise be sharded |
| 22:41.03 | Dagmar | They could go in wearing epic shaman gear |
| 22:41.32 | KarlKFI | mmm almost 3 |
| 22:41.35 | KarlKFI | must be lunch time |
| 22:41.37 | Dagmar | ...or they could just get over their addition to facerolling. |
| 22:41.52 | Dagmar | @#$@ s/addit/addict/; |
| 22:42.56 | Thunder_Child | fail Dagmar, fail |
| 22:43.19 | Dagmar | I gotta use a larger font |
| 22:44.57 | Lunessa | Australia - thinking ahead - http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25121991-421,00.html |
| 22:47.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, what was that channel display command again? |
| 22:47.48 | Shirik | chatlist |
| 22:47.51 | Thunder_Child | thanks |
| 22:48.10 | Shirik | I have to use it all the time because our healers have a tendency not to come in to the channel |
| 22:48.40 | Lunessa | I have to ask, do channels for each class really help? |
| 22:48.41 | Thunder_Child | we have a server wide "guild" channel and i can never tell who is in it |
| 22:49.05 | Shirik | Lunessa: Not for every class |
| 22:49.14 | Shirik | one healing channel, helps immensely |
| 22:49.28 | foxlit | or chatwho |
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| 22:51.31 | Landrell | Ok, wow, that is annoying.. |
| 22:52.45 | Torhal | Nobody knows what an asterisk is anymore, either. |
| 22:52.54 | NeoTron | Kirov: what item is best in slot that's blue? |
| 22:53.52 | Dagmar | I get the feeling that most people will be fine with "almost best in slot" |
| 22:54.15 | Landrell | yeah, don't be an asterisk. |
| 22:54.23 | NeoTron | for this fight it is irrelevant since ilevel is the only thing that matters |
| 22:54.30 | NeoTron | however for normal use, best in slot is naturally best |
| 22:54.30 | Dagmar | I don't see a lot of sympathy coming from the community for a DK who posts to complain that he's got all the best items and one little aspect of the game makes him not quite as uber |
| 22:55.15 | NeoTron | that is absolutely not the point, at all |
| 22:55.23 | NeoTron | if the best tiem for a slot is a blue, something is wrong |
| 22:55.45 | NeoTron | however I don't think I've seen any case when that is true which is why I was wondering |
| 22:55.54 | Dagmar | *kof*eaglebane bracers*kof* |
| 22:56.45 | NeoTron | I don't know about hunter/enhance stuff. I was talking about DK's |
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| 22:57.38 | Dagmar | Oh so you're saying that it's only a problem for DK's having a blue as best in slot? |
| 22:59.56 | Thunder_Child | BC had a "blue best in slot" item for every class |
| 23:00.08 | foxlit | priests? |
| 23:00.09 | nevcairiel | Druids and their idols <.< |
| 23:00.11 | Thunder_Child | they did something similar in WotLK |
| 23:00.37 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, the healing trinket from the city |
| 23:00.54 | foxlit | Really? |
| 23:01.03 | nevcairiel | Somehow i doubt that |
| 23:01.05 | foxlit | I thought 22 mana / GCD was pathetic. |
| 23:01.19 | foxlit | (and the +healing is definitely pathetic) |
| 23:01.34 | NeoTron | Dagmar: I wask asking Kirov for an example since he feels DK's will be screwed over for Flame Leviathan |
| 23:01.53 | nevcairiel | I'm still not convinced that DKs have their best gear in heroic blues =P |
| 23:02.09 | NeoTron | Dagmar: and you're the one who said it's ok if you wear a blue from gnomer as your best in slot item because why should you be more uber anyway? |
| 23:02.10 | zenzelezz | ... so there are two books, part of a trilogy, called "The Neutronium Alchemist" and "The Naked God". Someone apparently got a bit carried away and referred to one of them as "The Naked Alchemist". Somehow I found this funny |
| 23:02.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:02.43 | nevcairiel | just out of curiosity, whats the name of the third book? |
| 23:03.09 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, sorry, meant http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28190 |
| 23:03.11 | NeoTron | also individually a blue item might be best in slot but as a set of items that's not necessarily true (due to effectiev limits of when stats become worthless / worth less) |
| 23:03.29 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: actually, those are (respectively) the second and third in the series. The first one is "The Reality Dysfunction". The trilogy is called "Night's Dawn" |
| 23:03.53 | Thunder_Child | quags eye for the dps caster, abacus for the rogues etc. |
| 23:04.01 | Tem|work | Twilight Vanquisher is an awesome title |
| 23:04.12 | Tem|work | but I like the sound of the Undying more better |
| 23:04.25 | Tem|work | now, of the Nightfall is > both imo |
| 23:04.39 | nevcairiel | i hope to get of the nightfall this week |
| 23:04.52 | Tem|work | going to have a hard time deciding between The Immortal and of the Nightfall |
| 23:05.00 | Hirsute | I wouldn't mind hitting 80 this week... that'd be cool. |
| 23:05.03 | Tem|work | *fingers crossed* I'll have immortal tonight |
| 23:05.08 | Hirsute | Maybe I'll start working on that tomorrow afternoon |
| 23:05.25 | nevcairiel | Tem|work: we had a f'ing warlock die on 5% kelthuzad today <.< |
| 23:05.35 | Tem|work | *cry* |
| 23:05.56 | NeoTron | we had the MT DC at 30% KZ and die from a VZ :( |
| 23:05.58 | Tem|work | the only guild on our server with immortal brought 10 healers for it ... |
| 23:06.06 | Dagmar | At least Blizzard isn't stalking your work schedule just to tease you |
| 23:06.10 | NeoTron | I know it could have been saved if our healers were more on top of that particular issue |
| 23:06.11 | Hirsute | Wow. |
| 23:06.13 | nevcairiel | healers don't really help |
| 23:06.28 | NeoTron | depends on what your problem was |
| 23:06.34 | nevcairiel | our lock pulled aggro after a MC aggro wipe |
| 23:06.36 | NeoTron | we had 6 healers + 2 dpsers in mixed healing gear |
| 23:06.38 | NeoTron | adn 5 tanks.. |
| 23:06.43 | nevcairiel | so he got one big frost bolt |
| 23:06.47 | nevcairiel | 24k, instant death |
| 23:07.00 | NeoTron | glad they are removing the threat wipe |
| 23:07.06 | Tem|work | mmmmm wtf? |
| 23:07.16 | Tem|work | Kt will Mc the MT? |
| 23:07.16 | NeoTron | bit I find it to be bullshit that a disconnected person in an instagib fight counts |
| 23:07.17 | nevcairiel | we won't go there anymore when the wipe is gone |
| 23:07.22 | nevcairiel | Tem|work: no |
| 23:07.26 | Tem|work | also, then uh |
| 23:07.28 | nevcairiel | but he wipes threat when he MCs |
| 23:07.32 | nevcairiel | on the whole raid |
| 23:07.34 | Tem|work | oh |
| 23:07.46 | NeoTron | he did that in 40 man because he could MC the MT |
| 23:07.57 | Tem|work | also, what's wrong with your interruptors? |
| 23:08.03 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 23:08.06 | Tem|work | none of those 24k frostbolts should leave his hands |
| 23:08.18 | cbreak | counterspell has a 24 sec cd :( |
| 23:08.27 | Tem|work | kick |
| 23:08.29 | Tem|work | pummel |
| 23:08.31 | Tem|work | mind freeze |
| 23:08.32 | Tem|work | eath shock |
| 23:08.37 | cbreak | those are for noob classes |
| 23:08.44 | nevcairiel | we had a DK, a warrior, a shaman and a rogue |
| 23:08.47 | Dagmar | Ah... now we see the problem. |
| 23:08.49 | nevcairiel | 4 interrupts on 10s cd each |
| 23:08.51 | Tem|work | so then they fail |
| 23:09.10 | Tem|work | (unless the lock aggro moved KT and they were being cautious of positioning) |
| 23:09.22 | Tem|work | but wait |
| 23:09.27 | Tem|work | KT is tauntable |
| 23:09.29 | nevcairiel | lock aggro -> tank ice block -> lock frost bolt |
| 23:09.30 | Tem|work | so your tank fails |
| 23:09.36 | Tem|work | aaaaah |
| 23:09.42 | nevcairiel | worsed of what could've happend |
| 23:09.44 | Dagmar | There should be a mob that gains threat based on how much you move. |
| 23:09.45 | nevcairiel | -d |
| 23:09.47 | foxlit | Meh |
| 23:09.59 | foxlit | Surely you have at least two people with kick cooldowns in melee range? |
| 23:10.10 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 23:10.48 | nevcairiel | going to scream at them to interrupt more next week |
| 23:10.53 | zenzelezz | raid bosses should gain titles the same as players do |
| 23:10.58 | Tem|work | are the mind controls on a reliable timer? |
| 23:11.00 | zenzelezz | Twilight Vanquisher Illidan Stormrage |
| 23:11.14 | Dagmar | "Helgan the Unclean Newbstomper" |
| 23:11.16 | zenzelezz | Kil'jaeden the Immortal |
| 23:11.21 | mikma | zenzelezz: "Kel'Thuzad the Raidwiper" |
| 23:11.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: there's a CD to it, but beyond that i dont think so |
| 23:11.34 | nevcairiel | Kel'Thuzad the Immortal-Killer =P |
| 23:11.40 | mikma | hah |
| 23:11.49 | zenzelezz | Thaddius of the Latency |
| 23:11.56 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:12.42 | Dagmar | Hogger The Easy |
| 23:12.46 | Hirsute | I'll say it again, MMOs: the only place where you can say with a straight face, "Let's hear it for not wiping!" |
| 23:13.19 | Dagmar | Nah you can say that at hacker cons |
| 23:13.30 | Tekkub | Kael'thas Is Talking Again |
| 23:13.55 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 23:13.58 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 23:14.17 | Kirov | My guild looses at least one person every pull. |
| 23:14.31 | Kirov | Usually the same 4 people. |
| 23:14.35 | Tem|work | on what? |
| 23:14.36 | Dagmar | Beat them more |
| 23:14.39 | Tem|work | heigan? |
| 23:14.41 | nevcairiel | get other 4 people? :) |
| 23:15.06 | Tem|work | drop them and do The Dedicated few imo |
| 23:15.09 | Dagmar | Get some of those laser pointer stones and show them the borders of the zones "one last time" |
| 23:15.21 | Kirov | EVERY PULL |
| 23:15.23 | Kirov | boss or not |
| 23:15.31 | Tem|work | fail |
| 23:15.32 | Dagmar | Time to consider dumping them then |
| 23:15.34 | Tem|work | drop them and do The Dedicated few imo |
| 23:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 23:15.46 | nevcairiel | anyone who manages to die on noth deserves some beating! |
| 23:15.51 | Kirov | Tem - we have Undying with two groups. |
| 23:15.56 | NeoTron | now imagine a immortal for ulduar that actually looks to be more difficult. ugh |
| 23:16.09 | Kirov | (ie: two groups of 10 with out the fail 4) |
| 23:16.13 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: you'll also have alot of time to do that =) |
| 23:16.17 | Tem|work | I hope we've seen the last of The Immortal |
| 23:16.28 | NightHawkTheSane | unlikely |
| 23:16.32 | Kirov | I want The Immortal to be per-person, not per-raid |
| 23:16.34 | Tem|work | I know =/ |
| 23:16.42 | Kirov | Because I'd of gotten it several times by now. |
| 23:16.44 | nevcairiel | blue basically confirmed that there will be an immortal like achievement for ulduar |
| 23:16.45 | Tem|work | Kirov: that'd be too easy |
| 23:16.46 | NeoTron | if they are keeping it I would love to see it partitioned. bit less evil to have to do 1/2 of the instance at a time rather than the full.. damn it |
| 23:16.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: thats too easy, imio |
| 23:16.53 | cbreak | I don't even have the dancing achievement yet :/ |
| 23:17.03 | Dagmar | NeoTron: How long does it take? |
| 23:17.05 | cbreak | since every time we have a newbie, a dcer, a high latency person |
| 23:17.07 | Tem|work | NeoTron: that sounds nice |
| 23:17.22 | Kirov | We haven't done the 20 man yet. |
| 23:17.25 | Kirov | need to |
| 23:17.26 | NeoTron | like naxx version do it per wing |
| 23:17.34 | Kirov | We originally did Undying with 8 |
| 23:17.36 | NeoTron | Dagmar: how long does what take? |
| 23:17.44 | Tem|work | still probably too easy :( |
| 23:18.02 | Tem|work | Kirov: someone I talked to mentioned they did dedicated few and undying at once |
| 23:18.07 | Tem|work | for them it was easier that way |
| 23:18.19 | nevcairiel | immortal/undying isnt that "hard", you usually just get beaten my lag or some very unlucky RNG =( |
| 23:18.25 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Well, I mean Kara seemed like an enduro challenge at first |
| 23:18.30 | nevcairiel | s/my/by/ |
| 23:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i can see that pretty easily, especially on fights like KT |
| 23:18.41 | NeoTron | Dagmar: we cleared all 25 man content in 4 hours |
| 23:18.51 | Dagmar | I don't see how it's really a problem to call a halt to ir and come back later |
| 23:18.52 | NeoTron | and it was an immortal run so it wasn't a speed clear in any way |
| 23:19.08 | Tem|work | heh we speed clear even on immortal |
| 23:19.10 | NeoTron | I dn't understand what you're talking about to be honest |
| 23:19.20 | nevcairiel | Consider our bad luck today, lock pulls aggro for a second, that second KT casts frost blast, AND he casts it on the MT, like he was waiting for that |
| 23:19.26 | NeoTron | Tem|work: well we do trash fast but for bosses we do ask people to prioritize living over dpsing |
| 23:19.30 | Dagmar | Why would you want that instance partitioned? |
| 23:19.52 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: or MT disconnects (I taont), MC happens right then and the MT gets a void zone, out of all the 25 ppl in the raid |
| 23:19.56 | NeoTron | all in less than 10 seconds |
| 23:20.03 | NeoTron | Dagmar: for the immortal achievement |
| 23:20.17 | foxlit | Guardian angel, clearly :) |
| 23:20.19 | NeoTron | so you need to clear each wing without deaths, and need all wings to get immortal |
| 23:20.26 | Dagmar | Nah, something like that should be mega hard or it'll be another "incredibly common" title |
| 23:20.42 | NeoTron | foxlit: clearly but unfortunately out only GA priest was on healing ice block duty and didn't react fast enough |
| 23:21.01 | NeoTron | Dagmar: follow the discussion. it's not hard. it's luck |
| 23:21.03 | NeoTron | raid luck |
| 23:21.22 | Dagmar | I'm sure all thsoe disconnections are really disconnections. |
| 23:21.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 23:21.51 | NeoTron | uh. yes? |
| 23:21.52 | Dagmar | We had some people on Hughesnet for awhile. |
| 23:22.03 | Dagmar | The reality of it is that people who have flaky connections probably shoudlnt' be MT |
| 23:22.08 | NeoTron | of course it was a real disconnect. it was just incredibly bac luck |
| 23:22.18 | Dagmar | We wouldn't even let them be OTs while they were on Hughes |
| 23:22.21 | NeoTron | and she doesnt' have a flaky connection. disconnect happens to the best of us |
| 23:22.29 | NeoTron | not like she dc's all the time |
| 23:22.45 | NeoTron | and besides, you need 25 people with perfect connections between their location and the blizzard location |
| 23:22.52 | NeoTron | not just 1 person |
| 23:22.59 | nevcairiel | I bet there is a squad of GMs designated to destroy Immortal groups |
| 23:23.03 | Dagmar | Not perfect, just rather good. |
| 23:23.13 | NeoTron | her connection IS rather good |
| 23:23.23 | nevcairiel | "Cause Lag" "Cause DC" "Cause incredibly unlikely chain of events that kills that guy"! |
| 23:23.23 | mikma | Immortal achievement is pure shit |
| 23:23.42 | Dagmar | Then she won't have a problem in the future I suspect |
| 23:24.23 | NeoTron | Dagmar: then it could be me or any of the other 25 people |
| 23:24.48 | Dagmar | I work in a datacenter that provides Internet2 connectivity to a lot of the southeast US |
| 23:25.03 | Dagmar | I do not view these issues quite the same way you do. |
| 23:25.22 | NeoTron | I don't really care how you view it and I don't see how it is relevant |
| 23:25.36 | Dagmar | Consequently, the local Comcast francise probably has people who are happy as hell that I don't call them very often |
| 23:25.57 | NeoTron | as long as Blizzard's servers aren't perfect, all internet connections aren't perfect and the software has (possible) bugs, this will happen and it will kill these overly unforgiving achievements |
| 23:26.17 | Dagmar | WEll, I'm saying that if you can't have 25 people stay connected for four hours, MANY of you need to pick up the phone and start chewing asses at your ISps |
| 23:26.55 | NeoTron | you do know that on occasion the server kicks you off because it feels like there's some sync error even if your network never died too right? |
| 23:27.11 | Dagmar | Never had it happen. |
| 23:27.59 | NeoTron | regardless the point remains. Immortal is not really hard for a solid guild but requires a lot of random luck |
| 23:28.16 | NeoTron | and as nevcairiel pointed out it doesn't even have to be related to DC's. |
| 23:28.31 | Dagmar | It requires *a bit* of luck and 25 people doing their best. |
| 23:28.36 | Dagmar | "Immortal" is a serious word |
| 23:32.50 | foxlit | whee. |
| 23:33.10 | foxlit | Turns out my completely iffy physics hand-in was actually correct. |
| 23:33.13 | Thunder_Child | whee is not serious |
| 23:33.41 | Dagmar | foxlit: You're not planning on working at the LHC are you? |
| 23:34.00 | Codayus | If there's a 90% chance that any given person won't have any connection issues during a 4 hour block of time, then there's only a 7% chance that nobody will DC during that time. |
| 23:34.11 | foxlit | I curse you, logical approach to physics problems. |
| 23:34.30 | Dagmar | Codayus: If your internet is only up 90% of the time you'd be calling your ISP to bitch daily |
| 23:34.31 | foxlit | It'll never work outside of this course, but it's just enough to dissuade me from actually learning things properly :( |
| 23:34.48 | NeoTron | Dagmar: I take it you got the achievement? |
| 23:34.56 | Dagmar | I'd be down in front of their office winding up for a pitch to put their terminating equipment in through the front window probably |
| 23:35.28 | Codayus | Dagmar: *shrug* Even a lag spike will make it rough. If you've got Oceanic people in the raid, they'd *LOVE* to have only 10% odds of a crippling lag spike or DC during the course of a raid. |
| 23:35.30 | Dagmar | NeoTron: No, I've just gone round and round with Comcast to the point where I actually DO know when anything bad happens to my network connection for eight hops up the network |
| 23:36.35 | NeoTron | WoW is very sensitive |
| 23:36.44 | NeoTron | sometimes a second of non-traffic kicks you off |
| 23:36.58 | Dagmar | I am *far* more aware of how the local network performs than I should reasonably have to be, just because the local people are a pack of ninnies for the larger part |
| 23:37.01 | NeoTron | if they allows a bit longer non-connectivity before kicking you off that issue would be slightly smaller. |
| 23:37.19 | Dagmar | Either way you only have to have no one die during the boss fights when I last checked |
| 23:37.34 | Codayus | Also, we're not talking about uptime, but "how often do you randomly DC". If you raid 2-3 nights a week, and you have a very minor hiccup every month or two...that's STILL enough to make it so over 25 people, someone is going to have an issue. :-) |
| 23:37.36 | NeoTron | and I am pretty damn well aware of how networks work and usually do rather thorough investigations when my own network is broken so I don't see the point |
| 23:37.46 | Dagmar | So, Codayus, feel free to come up with another argument when the thing is a 4 hour block of non-stop boss fights |
| 23:38.26 | Codayus | Dagmar: Look, your not *seriosuly* arguing that Immortal doesn't have a big helping of sheer random luck to it, right? |
| 23:38.27 | Dagmar | NeoTron: You look after the fact. For a good nine months I had MRTG graphing 24/7 and pinging each router all the way to Comcasts border |
| 23:38.56 | Dagmar | Codayus: Why I would think it's perfectly obvious that I am arguing exactly that |
| 23:39.07 | Codayus | Because if you are, you're being obtuse. And if you're not, then I think we agree, so please resume bitching about Comcast or whatever. :-) |
| 23:39.23 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=doingwha@24.114.252.240) |
| 23:39.53 | Dagmar | Having to get two rare drops and 20:20 masks in a week is a "big helping" of luck |
| 23:40.04 | Tekkub | fuck comcrapst! |
| 23:40.28 | Dagmar | Codayus: Think of it this way. Your parents told you a lot of stuff was dangerous when you were a little kid, and you didn't understand why |
| 23:40.45 | Dagmar | I have to pay serious attention to networing issues for 40 hours a week and I've done so for about the last ten years |
| 23:41.50 | foxlit | Shirik, fetch me some popcorn. |
| 23:41.53 | Dagmar | So don't carp about disconnections on boss fights being some "big helping" of luck and expect me to buy into it. |
| 23:42.09 | Thunder_Child | wtf, i am herbing orange but i'm not lvling |
| 23:42.20 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: train the next skill level. |
| 23:42.27 | Hirsute | ^^^^ |
| 23:42.33 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, 379/450 |
| 23:42.40 | foxlit | (also possible that someone tried to loot that node before you) |
| 23:42.44 | Thunder_Child | i dont think thats an issue |
| 23:42.50 | Thunder_Child | no, just killed the plant |
| 23:42.53 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Odd. |
| 23:42.58 | Thunder_Child | 3 time |
| 23:42.59 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 23:43.15 | foxlit | it's a mob? |
| 23:43.22 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:43.34 | NeoTron | Dagmar: most people are NOT network engineers and in a position to fix their network issues. I know i would be nice if that was the case but it isn't. so since the world isn't perfect and Blizzard isn't perfect and WoW isn't perfect this achievement could use a bit less hard core mode |
| 23:43.44 | Codayus | Dagmar: You realize that your conclusion doesn't follow from your argument, right? I have to pay attention to network issues, so OTHER people don't have network problems. ORLY? |
| 23:43.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: you dont skill up off of mining/herbing mobs |
| 23:43.54 | Thunder_Child | 4 times |
| 23:43.59 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 23:44.01 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 23:44.10 | mikma | Ya |
| 23:44.13 | foxlit | That'd make things too easy |
| 23:44.13 | NeoTron | even a small grace value would be sufficient - at most 1-2 deaths would probably fix most of the "OMFG KZ was at 3%!!!" wipes |
| 23:44.15 | Dagmar | Codayus: Your "90%" argument was a joke and you expect me to work hard to make you listen? |
| 23:44.16 | NeoTron | s/wipes/fails/ |
| 23:44.19 | mikma | same with the trees around nexus |
| 23:44.25 | Thunder_Child | how easy? still have to work for it |
| 23:44.26 | mikma | orange = no skills |
| 23:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd just farm mobs instead of having to look for nodes |
| 23:44.45 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 23:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be "i have 400 skinning at level 58 easy" |
| 23:44.57 | foxlit | And since mobs respawn on rather trivial timers, things become too easy :) |
| 23:45.00 | NightHawkTheSane | (i did, by the way) |
| 23:45.04 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I was under the impression that most people do actually call to complain when their internet goes unstable |
| 23:45.24 | foxlit | Dagmar: how can they, when they have no internet connection? :) |
| 23:45.45 | Dagmar | foxlit: I use a primitive technology called a "cellular phone" myself |
| 23:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i did, and got told "you're fucked, it's your phone lines" >< |
| 23:46.06 | NeoTron | Dagmar: except in many cases, like this one, the connection never died. it was likely a second or subsecond glitch, not an overall instability |
| 23:46.20 | Dagmar | Killed by half a cooldown |
| 23:46.20 | NeoTron | she could log right back on and was back in like 15-20 seconds at most |
| 23:46.26 | foxlit | Dagmar: grr. Pick up on the metaphor, Mr Andersen! |
| 23:46.26 | DWSR | Comcrap |
| 23:46.47 | DWSR | That pretty much sums up the whole situation. |
| 23:46.55 | DWSR | And the company. |
| 23:47.13 | NeoTron | and you have to agree that the average user, even a technical computer user, is prety powerless when it comes to affecting greater comcast issues. I've had many battles with them and won some of them |
| 23:47.15 | Dagmar | DWSR: This is why you have go through round after round of overcoming the excuses tier I makes |
| 23:47.28 | NeoTron | but it's really frustrating and can take a long time if you even succeed at all |
| 23:47.40 | DWSR | NeoTron: I don't use Comcrap. I just hate them. |
| 23:47.46 | DWSR | Sandvine = fail. |
| 23:47.52 | Dagmar | Dude, this is exactly why I had to rig up more detailed metric collection at home than we have at the office. |
| 23:47.57 | DWSR | My ISP tried to do the same thing, but I didn't have any of that. |
| 23:48.00 | NeoTron | not disagreeing but no ISP is better in THAT aspect really |
| 23:48.04 | NeoTron | and often there's no choice |
| 23:48.19 | Dagmar | Except my problem is something I could have probably solved myself if I'd been less particular about tearing open their local distribution amp |
| 23:48.30 | NeoTron | Dagmar: and that point is irrelevant. no normal user would, or even could, do that |
| 23:48.43 | DWSR | NeoTron: There should never be 'no choice' in a capitalist society. |
| 23:48.45 | DWSR | Bad things happen. |
| 23:48.55 | Dagmar | Most "normal" users call to complain when their internet mysteriously goes away |
| 23:48.57 | NeoTron | DWSR: don't have to tell me about it... |
| 23:49.12 | DWSR | You don't live in Canada. |
| 23:49.14 | NeoTron | Dagmar: do you not read what I say? "mysteriously going away' is not the i ssue here |
| 23:49.20 | foxlit | Dagmar: with all the due respect, you're at the worst possible position to be the judge of that |
| 23:49.31 | foxlit | (Most "normal" users call to complain...) |
| 23:49.35 | NeoTron | the user never noticed any drop in connectivity. vent remain connected, as did everything else. the user noticed being kicked out from wow |
| 23:49.42 | DWSR | foxlit: Read the whole sentence. |
| 23:49.57 | Thunder_Child | i dont call anymore when the net goes down, i go to sleep and it's usually fixeded by morning |
| 23:49.59 | foxlit | "when their internet mysteriously goes away" doesn't add anything of value |
| 23:49.59 | DWSR | They complain about 'mysterious disconnects'. |
| 23:50.11 | NeoTron | which gets ignored |
| 23:50.13 | Dagmar | foxllit: Okay, so it's usually exceptionally spoiled users that call to complain for me but still |
| 23:50.13 | DWSR | foxlit: Yes it does. They're calling to say 'Hi, it's not working'. |
| 23:50.18 | foxlit | INDEED |
| 23:50.26 | NeoTron | I've had a lot more accurate data than "mysterious disconnects" and it's ignored |
| 23:50.33 | DWSR | NeoTron: What's your point? |
| 23:50.35 | DWSR | 80/20 rule. |
| 23:51.12 | NeoTron | that this is a pointless discussion. disconnects will happen and there's not a thing you can do about it (from a 25-man raid perspective especially, but also in the general individual case) |
| 23:51.31 | foxlit | (The problem is that if you work with maintaining the network, you regularly get complaints when things go wrong -- doesn't mean that most (or even many) users actually bother to complain -- there's just a rather large amount of them) |
| 23:51.42 | NeoTron | this same tank used to use comcast (over fiber I think) in CA and at one point she stopped being able to access any WoW website or game sites as well as a few select other sites |
| 23:51.55 | DWSR | Which is Comcast's fault. |
| 23:52.01 | DWSR | (obviously) |
| 23:52.05 | NeoTron | she got it escalated to level 3 support who answered "I can ping the site just fine here from the data center" and simialrily useful info |
| 23:52.13 | NeoTron | she had to change ISP (fortunately had a choice) to get it fixed |
| 23:52.14 | Dagmar | Comcast doesn't have any fiber that I've noticed |
| 23:52.17 | NeoTron | this went on vero two weeks |
| 23:52.30 | Dagmar | Probably Covad |
| 23:53.04 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Well there you have it. People who can't keep their network connection up for a reasonably useful length of time probably *should* be "voting with their wallet" and changing ISPs |
| 23:53.09 | NeoTron | if such a blatantly obvious "it doesn't fucking work" issue, that is clearly escalated multiple times can't be resolved how can you possibly expect that an "I see an occasional blip" would be (in the general case)? |
| 23:53.10 | DWSR | All I have to say is thus: Stop complaining. Your internet, cars, and electronics are all 30% cheaper than they are here in Canada. |
| 23:53.26 | NeoTron | Dagmar: MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE |
| 23:53.33 | DWSR | NeoTron: Yes they do. |
| 23:53.37 | DWSR | No internet. |
| 23:53.40 | DWSR | It's still an option. |
| 23:53.42 | Codayus | heh |
| 23:53.45 | NeoTron | DWSR: not my fault Canada sucks. I'm from Sweden where internet is way the heck cheaper and faster than the US |
| 23:53.46 | Codayus | Doesn't help you play WoW... |
| 23:53.51 | Dagmar | Most places have both cablemodems and DSL as an option if they have either |
| 23:53.54 | DWSR | NeoTron: You also pay more tax IIRC. |
| 23:53.54 | NeoTron | DWSR: yeah that makes a lot of sense |
| 23:54.10 | DWSR | NeoTron: Of course it does. |
| 23:54.15 | DWSR | If enough people quit, Comcast will listen. |
| 23:54.17 | NeoTron | Dagmar: DSL is typically not an equal option. going to DSL is like going to a modem compared to cable |
| 23:54.22 | DWSR | Since they don't, Comcast does whatever the fuck they want. |
| 23:54.28 | Dagmar | Personally I'd rather live in a cave than give BellSouth a single cent more ever, but |
| 23:54.29 | NeoTron | DWSR: enough people will never quit |
| 23:54.29 | DWSR | Welcome to capitalism. |
| 23:54.55 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Dude, I used to have 768k SDSL to my apartment. |
| 23:54.58 | DWSR | NeoTron: Damned if you do, damned if you don't. |
| 23:55.00 | NeoTron | DWSR: The US has broadband monopolies or duopolies in most areas |
| 23:55.16 | NeoTron | Dagmar: so did I. business class 768/768. was very nice |
| 23:55.25 | Dagmar | ...and a 768k/128k ADSL line, or even a 512k/128K ADSL line would be more than enough for WoW |
| 23:55.38 | DWSR | Canada has a nationwide duopoly on Cell phones, land lines, and net connections. |
| 23:55.38 | NeoTron | but going from 15-20 Mbps to 1.5 for a typical ASDL would suck amazingly bad |
| 23:55.48 | Dagmar | They gotta decide do they want fast porn, or do they want a title in a video game I suppose |
| 23:55.58 | DWSR | You can always rent the porn |
| 23:56.00 | Dagmar | Me, I'd take the porn, probably |
| 23:56.36 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Oh here's where I get to pull out the "most people" phrase you used. Most of them don't have 20Mbps down |
| 23:56.37 | DWSR | Consumer rights groups ftw. Let's go class action Comcast. |
| 23:57.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, that's true. Most people will probably have like 3-5 mbps, maybe. |
| 23:57.19 | Dagmar | The cablemodem providers LOVE to talk about "OMGx faster than DSL!" but they're still handing people equipment that terminates to 10b-T |
| 23:57.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: It still IS faster than DSL. |
| 23:57.47 | DWSR | Not because it's actually faster, but because cable fails less. |
| 23:58.00 | Dagmar | Yeah, but it's not "40x" faster than DSL unless your telco actually still provides ISDN-style DSL. Heh |
| 23:58.09 | DWSR | No, I agree. |
| 23:58.25 | ccox | Dagmar - here the cable office is gigabit, I get 20 Mbit downloads most of the time |
| 23:58.29 | DWSR | I've used DSL once, and I have to honestly say that dial-up is better. |
| 23:58.48 | Codayus | DWSR: Careful of speeding statements. |
| 23:58.52 | NeoTron | Dagmar: most people ahve a lot more than 1.5 :P |
| 23:58.57 | Codayus | Most DSL is perfectly fine, and some is as good as cable. |
| 23:59.01 | Codayus | Er... |
| 23:59.03 | DWSR | Codayus: Not where I live. |
| 23:59.05 | Codayus | SWEEPING statements, wtf. |
| 23:59.09 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:59.13 | Codayus | DWSR: Move! |
| 23:59.18 | Dagmar | Typo or not it was still fairly apropors |
| 23:59.18 | DWSR | This is the information super highway and all. |
| 23:59.22 | Dagmar | s/ors/os/; |
| 23:59.23 | DWSR | Codayus: Cannot. Going to school. |
| 23:59.35 | DWSR | LINE TERMINATION FAIL. |
| 23:59.41 | NeoTron | now that said I can actually get FIOS where I live now |
| 23:59.51 | NeoTron | contemplating the 20/5 or 20/20 options |
| 23:59.51 | Dagmar | Oh yes get it get it |
| 23:59.56 | DWSR | NeoTron: 20/20 |
| 23:59.58 | Codayus | But yeah, I'd actually rather have cable where I am, but my DSL is ~90% as good, and for some bizarre legal issues, by block doesn't have cable, so... |
