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| 00:04.12 | Tem | jnwhiteh, i can has that quest thingy? |
| 00:04.19 | jnwhiteh | its broken |
| 00:04.23 | jnwhiteh | at the moment |
| 00:04.33 | jnwhiteh | i can make an svn and you can test and work on fixing it |
| 00:04.36 | jnwhiteh | but i had to abandon it |
| 00:04.44 | jnwhiteh | for the book, at the moment |
| 00:04.46 | jnwhiteh | its still possible |
| 00:04.50 | jnwhiteh | just needs more than I can teach |
| 00:05.08 | jnwhiteh | just lemme know, it'll take just a few minutes |
| 00:08.57 | jnwhiteh | Tem: done, whether you like it or not :P |
| 00:09.31 | Tuller | so is it a known issue that the new animation system has crashes? |
| 00:09.43 | jnwhiteh | Tuller: not that I'm aware of |
| 00:10.40 | Tuller | fun :) |
| 00:11.19 | jnwhiteh | Tuller: but get us anything you can reproduce so it gets fixed :P |
| 00:11.34 | Tuller | that's what I'm working on |
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| 00:14.39 | jnwhiteh | anyone played with GetWintergraspWaitTime yet? |
| 00:14.49 | jnwhiteh | do you have to be in Northrend for it to work? |
| 00:15.23 | jnwhiteh | or is Wintergrasp not going on on PTR? |
| 00:16.35 | Esamynn|Work | Tuller: no no, you're not allowed to start an "I crash WoW" thread, that's Tem's job! ;) |
| 00:16.37 | Esamynn|Work | j/k |
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| 00:26.06 | Shirik | Does anyone have a good algorithm for determination of whether 2 line segments intersect off the top of their head? |
| 00:26.54 | Shirik | it sounds so simple, but in implementation it's ending up a lot harder than it should be |
| 00:28.05 | Thunder_Child | i didnt know line segments had a head |
| 00:29.50 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:30.13 | Tem | jnwhiteh, I didn't follow any of that answer |
| 00:30.23 | jnwhiteh | svn on wowi |
| 00:30.25 | jnwhiteh | you have access |
| 00:30.31 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/lineline2d/ |
| 00:30.35 | jnwhiteh | its broken for the book, but still can be made to work |
| 00:30.40 | jnwhiteh | and should work in some cases right now |
| 00:30.58 | Shirik | I see ZorbaBeta |
| 00:31.13 | ZorbaBeta | it's the fastest and simplest way I've found |
| 00:31.18 | Shirik | that's written by someone that doesn't know the difference between a "line" and a "line segment" so it didn't show up in google |
| 00:31.19 | Shirik | :P |
| 00:31.29 | ZorbaBeta | and it doesn't have nasty special cases with infinite-slope or zero-slope lines |
| 00:31.32 | Wimpsy`zZz | jnwhiteh: Access to what if i may ask? :) |
| 00:31.40 | jnwhiteh | Wimpsy`zZz: the quest tab thingy |
| 00:31.41 | ZorbaBeta | it mentions "line segment" at the end, there's an extra conditional involved |
| 00:31.59 | Wimpsy`zZz | jnwhiteh: I see... thanks |
| 00:32.05 | ZorbaBeta | I found it as the second hit for "line segment intersection" so I'm not quite sure what you were searching for ;) |
| 00:32.26 | Shirik | I did something like "determine line segment intersect" |
| 00:32.48 | Shirik | And I got something that was painful |
| 00:32.53 | Shirik | http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~pless/506/l4.html |
| 00:32.58 | Lopeppeppy | Shall I watch endless Harry Potter tonight, or Lord of the Rings? |
| 00:33.06 | Lunessa | And now for something completely different, a cat in a bong. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469929 |
| 00:33.29 | Wimpsy`zZz | Lopeppeppy: LotR |
| 00:33.50 | ZorbaBeta | hah, ouch. that's, like, find all intersections |
| 00:33.57 | Wimpsy`zZz | I'm currently watching them all myself, and have half of 'Return of the King' left. :) |
| 00:34.06 | Lopeppeppy | That asshat deserves to be clawed to death |
| 00:34.54 | Lunessa | Peppy - I concur. This is why smoking the weedus is bad for you, kiddies. |
| 00:35.21 | Lopeppeppy | It makes you make bad decisions. |
| 00:35.32 | Lopeppeppy | Bet he gets in more trouble for the cat than the bong.... *whistles innocently* |
| 00:36.05 | Lunessa | $400 fine for the cat thing. Drug-charges for the weedus and bong. I expect he'll do time. |
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| 00:36.26 | Shirik | thanks ZorbaBeta |
| 00:36.27 | Shirik | that works well |
| 00:36.52 | Wimpsy`zZz | Off to bed, night guys |
| 00:36.59 | ZorbaBeta | no prob. it's pretty clean :) |
| 00:37.01 | WobWork | Dagmar, Codayus: I bought that Casebook game, it's an entertaining one, at least, and the graphics, were interesting, a fraction low res, but I think that was due more to size of download than technology. With a larger media size, it would be really quite interesting |
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| 00:46.54 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:47.10 | Shirik | sometimes I look at my code an wonder "what will happen when someone reads this in the future" |
| 00:47.17 | Shirik | if (a == a) then ... |
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| 00:55.04 | bleeter | mmm there's SetFriendNotes, but I can't immediately see a way to set Ignored notes... |
| 00:56.23 | WobWork | I dunno Shirik |
| 00:56.31 | WobWork | That looks like a perfectly valid sanity check |
| 00:56.47 | WobWork | if, by chance a ~= a, then you -know- you have somewhat larger problems |
| 00:57.01 | Shirik | Nope |
| 00:57.10 | Shirik | Actually, if a ~= a, then that is a case I am very much interested in |
| 00:57.12 | bleeter | hmm that'd be because default UI has no 'ignore note' |
| 00:57.19 | Shirik | Similar code is actually in auctioneer |
| 00:57.25 | Tuller_ | whee: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443288310&sid=1 |
| 00:57.28 | Shirik | When a ~= a, we know we don't have enough information to determine a market price |
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| 00:58.51 | jnwhiteh | you should fix your schema location Tuller_ |
| 00:59.07 | Tuller_ | I copied it from the animation example :P |
| 01:00.03 | NeoTron | does hooks allow you to hook into any code or is it limited to (specific) blizzard api's? |
| 01:00.49 | jnwhiteh | what do you mean "hooks" |
| 01:00.57 | jnwhiteh | as in the securehook api? |
| 01:01.21 | Lunessa | Tuller And you looking at new animations for OmniCC? :P |
| 01:01.35 | Tuller_ | i'm at least going to replace the old code :P |
| 01:01.43 | Shirik | hooksecurefunc works on all functions, though it has no reason to be used on non-Blizzard functions really |
| 01:02.18 | Tuller_ | Lunessa: the key is, this system has the nice bonus of being FPS non killing |
| 01:02.21 | Lunessa | I was just reading your thread. |
| 01:02.37 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: it does not work on all functions, just those with global names :P |
| 01:02.46 | Lunessa | Yeah. And I would love get more FPS on my machine which is very similar in config to yours. |
| 01:02.57 | Shirik | Okay, that's not fair; the only reason it doesn't work on functions without global names is because there's no parameter matching it >< |
| 01:02.58 | NeoTron | I guess it's true you can replace any function that's not secure |
| 01:03.38 | Lunessa | Tuller_: Actually I lie. You have more RAM and WIndows 7. But you have the same video card. |
| 01:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. Any holy pallys here? how do you grind/quest? >.> |
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| 01:14.22 | Tuller_ | if I do this right, I may be able to just use one animation shell addon for everything, yay |
| 01:18.26 | Lunessa | that would be awesome. |
| 01:19.09 | Tuller_ | actually shine versus pulse is a bit weirder, since shine uses its own texture |
| 01:19.33 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Respec prot! |
| 01:19.40 | Shirik | I'm leveling as prot and it's tons of fun |
| 01:20.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i know, i've been prot, and ret. I just respecced holy because i wanted to try it out |
| 01:20.11 | Shirik | I leveled my priest as holy |
| 01:20.21 | Shirik | I would advise trying to find instances |
| 01:20.26 | Shirik | not grinding/questing |
| 01:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im looking. go figure there seems to be no current need for healers. >.> im just questing a bit to kill time and get my AC rep up |
| 01:21.37 | Shirik | other than that |
| 01:21.40 | Shirik | very painfully :) |
| 01:21.56 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 01:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it hasn't been -that- painful, but killing undead as a paladin never is |
| 01:22.24 | Thunder_Child | ok, so, never confuse kids with kiss |
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| 01:23.34 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Wait, you have the opportunity for that confusion to arise? |
| 01:24.05 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, "I want your kiss" and "I want your kids" is something to never confuse |
| 01:24.33 | Lunessa | I'm just shocked that you're having a conversation with a person with whom such a confusion might be possible. |
| 01:24.35 | Lunessa | :P |
| 01:25.00 | NightHawkTheSane | zing |
| 01:25.02 | Lunessa | And I'm totally pulling your chain, srsly. |
| 01:25.20 | Thunder_Child | but YOU arent the person who i wanted pulling my chain...... |
| 01:25.53 | Lunessa | *squick* |
| 01:26.57 | Thunder_Child | uh...wtf is "squick"? |
| 01:27.35 | WobWork | the technical definition? |
| 01:27.44 | Thunder_Child | but of what? |
| 01:27.48 | WobWork | squick |
| 01:28.05 | Thunder_Child | ummm...circular reasoning anyone? |
| 01:28.12 | WobWork | no |
| 01:28.19 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 01:28.21 | WobWork | do you -want- the actual definition of squick |
| 01:28.24 | WobWork | ? |
| 01:28.27 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 01:28.29 | Lunessa | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squick |
| 01:28.37 | WobWork | Cause some things are better left alone =P |
| 01:29.13 | WobWork | see second definition on that page =P |
| 01:30.18 | Thunder_Child | ok, squick it is....though i didnt think anything was wrong with ewww |
| 01:30.21 | Lunessa | All knowledge is worth knowing, but not all knowers are worth knowing. |
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| 01:33.21 | jnwhiteh | Is this completely contrived and lame? |
| 01:33.22 | jnwhiteh | http://pastey.net/109354 |
| 01:33.31 | WobWork | anyone have suggestions as to good earphone replacements for the stock ipod ones? |
| 01:33.55 | jnwhiteh | I can't use earphones.. they never work for me. I use behind the ear headphones from Panasonic.. they work great! |
| 01:34.30 | WobWork | How well do they fit around glasses? |
| 01:34.45 | jnwhiteh | well enough as long as I'm not being active |
| 01:34.49 | jnwhiteh | when I'm in the gym, I wear contacts |
| 01:34.51 | jnwhiteh | otherwise I steam up :P |
| 01:34.56 | jnwhiteh | well gym or rowing |
| 01:35.54 | Lunessa | Do you take your iPod rowing? |
| 01:36.08 | Lunessa | Curious how it handles the proximity to water. |
| 01:36.20 | jnwhiteh | I have, but haven't taken it on the water |
| 01:36.31 | jnwhiteh | the comment about rowing was more about contacts, which isn't terribly relevant :P |
| 01:36.37 | WobWork | I need something that is ultra portable, which is why I use the earbuds, as it winds around the case I have for my itouch snugly. |
| 01:37.17 | Lunessa | WobWork: There's a retracting case thingy you can get for the cords. |
| 01:38.37 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: why do you want to taunt your users? |
| 01:39.06 | WobWork | Lunessa: I have http://dlo.com/Products/JJcord_touch_Prod.tpl?command=showpage&cart=12360432831141357 atm |
| 01:39.24 | Esamynn|Work | oh no, sorry, I misread it |
| 01:39.26 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 01:39.40 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: why do you want an addon to auto-taunt people? :P |
| 01:39.49 | jnwhiteh | its just an example addon |
| 01:39.51 | jnwhiteh | that's all |
| 01:39.58 | Esamynn|Work | ahh |
| 01:40.05 | Shirik | Is there any documentation on actually how to use LibStub? I've never used it before |
| 01:40.08 | Lunessa | WobWork: That's kind of nice actually. |
| 01:40.21 | WobWork | I find it incredibly useful |
| 01:40.28 | Shirik | and I keep getting |
| 01:40.29 | Shirik | Message: ..\AddOns\Speedway\speedway.lua line 16: |
| 01:40.29 | Shirik | Cannot find a library with name 'Astrolabe-0.4' |
| 01:40.59 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: local Astrolabe = LibStub("Astrolabe-0.4") |
| 01:41.01 | jnwhiteh | that's it |
| 01:41.08 | Shirik | I did that :( |
| 01:41.09 | jnwhiteh | if you want to check (i.e. not error) |
| 01:41.12 | jnwhiteh | you can pass true as the second arg |
| 01:41.15 | jnwhiteh | then astrolabe isn't loaded =) |
| 01:41.17 | Esamynn|Work | Astrolabe 0.4 uses DongleStub, for the record |
| 01:41.20 | WobWork | Lunessa: also, the case/screen protector is cheap, and they offered free shipping when I bought it |
| 01:41.20 | Lunessa | and jnwhiteh it's fine it makes a good example. |
| 01:41.33 | Shirik | then how do I load it? |
| 01:41.46 | Esamynn|Work | same way, just use DongleStub |
| 01:41.50 | WobWork | But now my earbuds are getting a bit tattered and worn =( So I'm looking for a replacement |
| 01:42.05 | Shirik | er, not very helpful Esamynn|Work :P I don't use libraries, I haven't followed this whole "stubby" thing |
| 01:42.26 | Esamynn|Work | local Astrolabe = DongleStub("Astrolabe-0.4") |
| 01:42.42 | jnwhiteh | ah, lol |
| 01:42.42 | Lunessa | WobWork I don't like earbuds either, they're never comfortable and they fall out all the damned time. |
| 01:42.44 | Shirik | I stole the code from TomTom; it used LibStub |
| 01:42.51 | WobWork | Lunessa: Actually, one of the best things about that case, is, notice how the earbud cable passes through that hole in the case? |
| 01:42.53 | jnwhiteh | not for Astrolabe it shouldn't have |
| 01:43.06 | Shirik | oh nm |
| 01:43.09 | Shirik | I did do local Astrolabe = DongleStub("Astrolabe-0.4"); |
| 01:43.10 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 01:43.10 | WobWork | It means if you drop the player, it doesn't jerk the cable out of the socket |
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| 01:43.18 | jnwhiteh | grep LibStub TomTom*.lua | grep -i astrolabe | wc -l |
| 01:43.19 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.31 | Lunessa | WobWork: Yeah, it looks good. And sturdy. And likely to keep you from losing the damned things. |
| 01:44.15 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: shall I continue with the n00bcake debugging questions? ;) |
| 01:44.22 | WobWork | Lunessa: It, however, has prevented me from purchasing any in-canal earbuds =P |
| 01:44.26 | Shirik | Well it's not really debugging |
| 01:44.27 | WobWork | cause they won't fit the case =) |
| 01:44.30 | Shirik | it's that I have no info on how to use this thing |
| 01:44.37 | Shirik | I've done what TomTom did |
| 01:44.40 | Esamynn|Work | troubleshooting, then |
| 01:44.41 | Shirik | and I'm told that error |
| 01:44.53 | jnwhiteh | make sure the file is loaded |
| 01:44.58 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: I assume you have the Astrolabe in a sub-folder of your addon, right? |
| 01:45.01 | jnwhiteh | run /dump DongleStub.log |
| 01:45.03 | Shirik | I do |
| 01:45.11 | jnwhiteh | it'll show you whats registered |
| 01:45.11 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: and you're calling it's Load.XML from your TOC? |
| 01:45.16 | Shirik | yup |
| 01:45.17 | jnwhiteh | and in what order it registered |
| 01:45.46 | Shirik | it says Astrolabe-0.4 is activated |
| 01:46.12 | jnwhiteh | then do /dump DongleStub("Astrolabe-0.4") |
| 01:46.21 | jnwhiteh | silly question, but did you load Astrolabe BEFORE your addon? |
| 01:46.24 | Shirik | libs\Astrolabe\Load.xml |
| 01:46.24 | Shirik | libs\LibStub\LibStub.lua |
| 01:46.24 | Shirik | speedway.lua |
| 01:46.27 | Shirik | That's the order I load in |
| 01:46.42 | Esamynn|Work | that should work |
| 01:46.52 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:46.54 | Shirik | I'll shut up now |
| 01:47.00 | Lunessa | WobWork: I'd likely go with something like these for my own use: http://www.handhelditems.com/koss-ksc9-portable-stereophone-p-10247.html |
| 01:47.30 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: why, did you find the problem? |
| 01:47.45 | Shirik | I think so :( |
| 01:47.59 | WobWork | Lunessa: hm, that's incredibly cheap =) |
| 01:48.10 | Shirik | ok no more error |
| 01:48.12 | Shirik | sorry :/ |
| 01:48.12 | Lunessa | It's the form-factor that I like. |
| 01:48.16 | WobWork | pity they don't ship outside of america =( |
| 01:48.19 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: uh oh, he found the anti-Shirk line! |
| 01:48.34 | jnwhiteh | damn! |
| 01:48.36 | Lunessa | Heh, shipping would cost more than the headphones. |
| 01:49.08 | WobWork | Lunessa: very very truew |
| 01:49.57 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: as for your example addon, I assume the Delay function comes from something else you did earlier on? |
| 01:49.57 | Lunessa | I found those with a short google search "earphones for ipod" I bet you could find someone local that way. Or a major retailer will have something similar. |
| 01:51.14 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: also, if the intention is to ensure you can't get a taunt more often than TauntFrame.DELAY, then the code has a bug, as I read it |
| 01:51.16 | jnwhiteh | Esamynn|Work: aye, really short one we did before |
| 01:51.23 | jnwhiteh | Esamynn|Work: its not meant to do that |
| 01:51.29 | jnwhiteh | thats just a random delay |
| 01:51.38 | Shirik | If you must know Esamynn|Work |
| 01:51.43 | Shirik | I didn't actually put them in the libs folder >.> |
| 01:51.57 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: actually, I guessed that ;) |
| 01:52.02 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: oh right, duh |
| 01:52.22 | bleeter | Mikk1: mind if I liberally 'steal' from IgnoreMore to add to a Wintergrasp addon to help the WG Mage Portal griefing? (presuming you and Mikk of the addon are one and the same ;) |
| 01:52.32 | bleeter | *help stop.. doh |
| 01:52.38 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: I should really learn to not skim code ;) |
| 01:52.42 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 01:52.44 | jnwhiteh | i'm so tired |
| 01:52.50 | jnwhiteh | I had to check twice to make sure you weren't right =) |
| 01:53.00 | Esamynn|Work | or at least, not base my bug analysis on the skim |
| 01:53.38 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: isn't it amazing how often we just complete forget to check FrameXML.log? ;) |
| 01:53.52 | Shirik | I rarely do; you know why? |
| 01:53.56 | Shirik | Because I hate XML! |
| 01:54.03 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Shirik |
| 01:54.03 | purl | shoots Shirik in his sleep |
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| 01:54.36 | Torhal | ZorbaBeta: Incoming QH questions. |
| 01:54.46 | I440r | :) |
| 01:54.47 | I440r | yes |
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| 01:54.52 | I440r | im having prioblems with QH |
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| 01:55.09 | Shirik | how did Torhal know that o.o |
| 01:55.11 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: btw, I'd be tempted to find a few more good raid boss quotes ;) |
| 01:55.13 | I440r | its telling me to go to a certain location for quest A. wheni get there it stops giving me hints for quest A |
| 01:55.23 | I440r | it tells me to go to a different location for quest B |
| 01:55.24 | jnwhiteh | Esamynn|Work: yeah, if you guys have any.. please let me know =) |
| 01:55.28 | Torhal | Shirik: He was just in #wowace asking |
| 01:55.31 | jnwhiteh | I don't have much time to loko now :P |
| 01:55.35 | I440r | when i get there it reverts to telling me about way points for quest A |
| 01:55.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:55.57 | I440r | no matter what quest way point im at it gives me info on how to get to the way points for the OTHER quest |
| 01:56.15 | I440r | how do i lock quest helper into giving me help for a SPECIFIC quest |
| 01:56.44 | I440r | specifiaclly the two quests its fscking me over on are hazardous materials and the storm kings vengance |
| 01:57.04 | I440r | when im in the area for either of those two quests qh gives me the hints for how to get to the other quests area |
| 01:57.29 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: well, I think Patchwerk's "No more play?" one would be great, but you'd have to do death detection which is a little much ;) |
| 01:57.32 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Go get some sleep. Coffee isn't the answer. |
| 01:57.37 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 01:57.37 | bleeter | lies |
| 01:57.42 | bleeter | coffee is always the answer |
| 01:57.47 | Xinhuan | drink tea theb |
| 01:57.49 | Xinhuan | then |
| 01:57.52 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart bleeter |
| 01:57.52 | purl | pushes the wall down onto bleeter whilst whistling innocently |
| 01:58.16 | Lunessa | bleeter: How can I cure my hemorrhoids? - Coffee! - See? doesn't work. |
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| 01:59.07 | I440r | only GOOD coffee is the answer |
| 01:59.09 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: I can't sleep |
| 01:59.11 | jnwhiteh | I wish I could |
| 01:59.12 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 01:59.15 | jnwhiteh | but its not an option right now |
| 01:59.19 | Lunessa | Clowns will get you? |
| 01:59.23 | I440r | *$'s is therefore disqualified as they dont even serve BAD coffee |
| 01:59.25 | bleeter | Lunessa: sounds like you were pouring the coffee into the wrong end /shrug |
| 01:59.29 | I440r | they only serve liquid charcoal |
| 01:59.52 | I440r | so can anyone tell me how to lock QH to a specific quest? and i mean LOCK it till ive completed that quest |
| 01:59.57 | Lunessa | bleeter: *squick* |
| 02:00.11 | bleeter | I440r: you may need to wait until ZorbaBeta is available to answer your QH questions |
| 02:00.35 | Zyndrome | ... I think I just experienced timetravel .. my clock suddenly went 17 hours back in the past |
| 02:01.07 | I440r | sigh. two bubbles away from level 75 and i cant complete any quests |
| 02:01.16 | ZorbaBeta | i4, set it to high priority, or /qh filter tracked (I think) and track it. might take a minute for it to adjust, however. |
| 02:01.36 | Dark_Elf | questhelper got updated today but doubt the update solves the problem |
| 02:01.57 | Torhal | I440r: IMHO, you shouldn't NEED an addon to level :) |
| 02:01.58 | ZorbaBeta | dark, it doesn't, it's just a minor bugfix. major bugfixes are basically on hold for 1.0 |
| 02:02.05 | I440r | ive never seen it do this before |
| 02:02.14 | ZorbaBeta | torhal, you don't NEED addons for anything in WoW :) |
| 02:02.23 | I440r | yes you do |
| 02:02.32 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes they're very, very helpful. |
| 02:02.34 | Torhal | ZorbaBeta: Indeed, but having QH malfunction shouldn't prevent someone from levelling. |
| 02:02.35 | I440r | try maintaining 285627894 dots on a mob |
| 02:02.53 | I440r | afflic warlocks are GIMP dps without an addon and mediocre dps with them |
| 02:03.01 | ZorbaBeta | i440, you don't *need* it. It's just extremely, extremely helpful. |
| 02:03.09 | ZorbaBeta | In theory, if you got good enough at timing yourself, you could do it without an addon. |
| 02:03.20 | NeoTron | aff locks on live right now are very good dps when played properly |
| 02:03.27 | NeoTron | in fact the best lock spec |
| 02:03.45 | I440r | ZorbaBeta, even WITH an addon tracking your dots you STILl have to put 100% of you8r concentration on re applying them or filling in with SB |
| 02:03.54 | I440r | that means even without the addon your raid awareness is at 0% |
| 02:04.13 | NeoTron | I do agree that a proper timer addon is close to essential for good affliction dps however |
| 02:04.14 | Lunessa | You don't need QH to level, you LIKE it and WANT it, but you don't NEED it. :P |
| 02:04.15 | ZorbaBeta | i440r, so, you personally don't have enough concentration to do it without the addon. That doesn't mean it's not theoretically doable. It just makes it simpler. |
| 02:04.16 | I440r | without the addon your raid awareness is going to be in the negatives and your not going to be able to maintain your dots no matter HOW good you are |
| 02:04.26 | Esamynn|Work | affliction locks are the only real example of where you really NEED addons, and they are trying to fix that :P |
| 02:04.40 | I440r | ZorbaBeta, erm. maybe a few mega god warlock players could do it |
| 02:04.51 | ZorbaBeta | I didn't say it was necessarily *easy* :P |
| 02:04.57 | Esamynn|Work | ^^^ |
| 02:05.03 | I440r | Esamynn|Work, no. they are simply nerfing us more. they just applied one nerf and the upcoming patch is another nerf |
| 02:05.07 | I440r | to pandemic |
| 02:05.10 | NeoTron | it can obviously be done but realistically a majority of players couldn't do it well |
| 02:05.18 | I440r | they have no intention of fixing afflic warlocks or any other spec of warlock |
| 02:05.24 | ZorbaBeta | neotron, agreed |
| 02:05.26 | Esamynn|Work | QQ more |
| 02:05.29 | End | the reason you need an addon is to reapply the dots as quickly as possible without clipping |
| 02:05.31 | NeoTron | I440r: did you see they want lock dots to crit at 200% dmg so the "nerf" isn't a nerf at all but a buff? |
| 02:05.34 | Lunessa | I440r: Rabble-rouse elsewhere. |
| 02:05.34 | End | (see: immo and UA) |
| 02:05.34 | ZorbaBeta | and, from what I've seen, a majority of players can't quest well either ;) |
| 02:05.39 | I440r | neo i consider myself to be a good warlock. i dont care if im top DPS |
| 02:05.40 | WobWork | ... I have never seen Starbucks abbreviated to *$s... |
| 02:05.50 | I440r | all i care is that my dps and raid awareness are good enough to do the job |
| 02:05.57 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, it was kind of a response to a conversation that showed up, he didn't bring it up out of nowhere |
| 02:06.09 | bleeter | WobWork: did you hear that Telstra can't get their shit together enough to work out which mobile phone towers are in Vic and which are in Tas? |
| 02:06.11 | WobWork | then again, I've never considered starbucks to actually sell coffee |
| 02:06.32 | bleeter | WobWork: they sent out bushfire alerts to all of Tas because they can't tell the diff! FAILSTRA! |
| 02:06.38 | I440r | wob lol to change back to that subject --- give me a couple of million dollars and ill put *$ out of business within 10 years :) |
| 02:06.39 | WobWork | bleeter: don't they just have one to cover both states? |
| 02:06.40 | Adys | WobWork: Full Body Latte ftw |
| 02:06.47 | I440r | starbucs burns their beans. BADLY |
| 02:06.49 | NeoTron | starbucks coffee, at least the beans, are heck of a lot closer to coffee than most crap you can find in the US :P |
| 02:06.55 | bleeter | WobWork: you'd think their asset GIS system or similar could tell |
| 02:07.09 | WobWork | Well, I've noticed that most Americans have never experienced good coffee |
| 02:07.14 | NeoTron | it's called properly roasting the beans so the coffee has a chance of being close to black and not a light brown liquid |
| 02:07.19 | I440r | NeoTron, no dood. i roast my own coffee. when u do that it sort of POPS like popcorn (its called the crack) |
| 02:07.29 | I440r | any time between the first and second crack is where you stop your roast. |
| 02:07.45 | I440r | *$ stops sometime after the 5th or 6th crack or something. VERY VERY over roasted |
| 02:07.46 | WobWork | I don't drink coffee anymore |
| 02:07.47 | bleeter | WobWork: can't be too hard an SQL query.. "select * from OHTHREE zone WHERE latitude < 'x'" or similar ;)... failstra ;) |
| 02:07.48 | Lunessa | Any place where the 20-something guy pouring me a cup of joe insists on being called a 'barista' and collecting tips isn't selling coffee. They're selling pretentiousness in a cup. |
| 02:07.51 | WobWork | but I'd totally roast it |
| 02:07.54 | WobWork | just for the smell |
| 02:08.07 | WobWork | bleeter: It's been failstra for a while now =) |
| 02:08.17 | I440r | WobWork, home roasting coffee is the BEST coffee you will ever have |
| 02:08.25 | Xinhuan | err coffee that pops? |
| 02:08.26 | I440r | i get my beans from www.ccmcoffee.com |
| 02:08.43 | I440r | coffee beans do a very small POP when you roast them. they do it twice actually |
| 02:09.00 | I440r | and yes the bean expands. but not to the same degree that popcorn does |
| 02:09.04 | WobWork | I440r: You should buy freetrade beans =) |
| 02:09.11 | WobWork | er fairtrade |
| 02:09.21 | I440r | eh? ccm coffee is GOOD beans |
| 02:09.23 | NeoTron | let's just say US coffee in general is really bad compared to Swedish coffee |
| 02:09.31 | NeoTron | way way too weak overall |
| 02:09.57 | I440r | i roast enough for a weeks worth of coffee. if coffee is left for more than a week after roasting its stale |
| 02:10.01 | WobWork | The majority of America believe that Starbucks is good coffee |
| 02:10.04 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: "You too slow! Me too strong!" - Zul'jin |
| 02:10.06 | WobWork | It's a terrible tragedy |
| 02:10.06 | I440r | *$ coffee is stale AND burned |
| 02:10.24 | I440r | wob ya but if i had the money i could re-educate them |
| 02:10.32 | I440r | someone give me $2 mill? :) |
| 02:10.44 | Xinhuan | so is your QH issue solved? |
| 02:11.05 | I440r | no |
| 02:11.19 | I440r | no matter what quest i go to it starts giving me way points for some other quest |
| 02:12.10 | Xinhuan | you should provide more info, such as whether this is a new problem, or one that has existed all the way, which quests these are, etc |
| 02:12.39 | I440r | totally new |
| 02:12.44 | I440r | i said. ive never seen it do this before |
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| 02:14.53 | ZorbaBeta | i440, did you try what I suggested? |
| 02:15.35 | Esamynn|Work | jnwhiteh: you could also toss in "By fibre be purged!" (misquote of Ragnaros) ;) |
| 02:15.51 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 02:16.13 | Dark_Elf | sounds to me like another quest addon is interfering |
| 02:16.28 | I440r | i have no other quest addons |
| 02:16.40 | Shirik | did you disable everything else? |
| 02:16.43 | I440r | unless you count cartographer which this one uses |
| 02:16.54 | ZorbaBeta | it sounds to me like the route optimization is just a little bit lagged, or the rather broken route optimization is ending up in a bit of a loop |
| 02:17.10 | ZorbaBeta | the first of which could be fixed by raising perf or being patient, the second of which could be fixed by either of the suggestions I made :P |
| 02:17.41 | I440r | ive gone to "point a" and seen it switch to point b. ive stayed there for an extended period of time just killing things |
| 02:17.49 | I440r | it never switches back to giving me info on queset a |
| 02:18.02 | ZorbaBeta | then it's probably the latter |
| 02:18.04 | I440r | it only reverts to giving me info on queste A when i head for a quest B way point |
| 02:18.27 | ZorbaBeta | in which case *ahem* I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but have you tried the suggestions I made previously? |
| 02:18.49 | I440r | no |
| 02:18.54 | Esamynn|Work | ZorbaBeta: no no, you can't expect users with a problem to actually *try* your suggestions, that would be silly! :P |
| 02:19.07 | ZorbaBeta | esamynn, yeah, seriously, what could I know about QH anyway :) |
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| 02:19.32 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: ZOMG, you know QH. Can I hz ur autograph plx? |
| 02:19.49 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, I only autograph bear pelts and murloc heads |
| 02:20.08 | Lunessa | What about my rotting bear carcass? |
| 02:20.17 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I could probably manage that too |
| 02:20.57 | Lunessa | Win. I might even have to download your AddOn and leave it on the desktop until like patch 3.3 or something. |
| 02:21.22 | ZorbaBeta | you'd have to download it again at that point, it'd probably have broken ;) |
| 02:21.51 | Lunessa | Note: At no point did I actually say I'd install it. :P |
| 02:22.01 | I440r | zorba i been scrolling back but i cant find your suggestion |
| 02:22.19 | ZorbaBeta | from what I've heard on the WoW forums, the mere existence of QuestHelper somewhere in your house may cause your computer to slow down and broadcast its passwords to Russia |
| 02:22.29 | ZorbaBeta | I'm pretty sure the WoW forums are a reliable source on things like this |
| 02:23.03 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: I have no beef with you or QH - since you took over the pjt. |
| 02:23.04 | ZorbaBeta | i440r, right-click one of the quests on the world map and ratchet the priority up, or turn the tracked filter on (I think it's "/qh filter tracked" but check /qh help) and track the quest you want to follow (open quest tracker, shift-click quest) |
| 02:23.49 | I440r | any time i mess with the filters is messes things up more. ill try the first |
| 02:23.51 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, hah, thanks :) though I wouldn't be entirely surprised if you did, considering what a performance/behavior nightmare the released version is turning into (this will be fixed shortly, oh man I can't wait to release this thing) |
| 02:23.57 | ZorbaBeta | note that either of those might take a minute to adjust |
| 02:24.11 | ZorbaBeta | the routing algorithm is a bit of a pig at the moment, and can take some prodding |
| 02:24.18 | I440r | ya im fine with that as long as it works after i make the change lol |
| 02:24.32 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: I'll wait to hate you until your users flood the forum and make me hate everything. :P |
| 02:24.41 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, that sounds fair. ;) |
| 02:25.41 | I440r | yes i set it to priority highest and it kees flipping back and forth between the two quests |
| 02:25.52 | I440r | and the cartographer arrow doesnt change |
| 02:25.52 | Lunessa | At which time one of these two images will be appropriate: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/02/funny-pictures-ohai-2/ or http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xPRJcY91HB4/SUfzvhmurTI/AAAAAAAAAD8/aAEjoQxpEV0/s1600-h/anteater.jpg |
| 02:25.58 | ZorbaBeta | i440, that's odd, it just plain shouldn't be capable of that |
| 02:26.03 | I440r | waiting longer |
| 02:26.21 | I440r | im a software engineer. code does crazy chit |
| 02:26.41 | I440r | no. i dont "code" lua |
| 02:26.41 | kd3 | heisenbugs, whee! |
| 02:26.44 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, but I know how this thing works, and once it's set to a higher priority, it shouldn't be able to move that item *back* |
| 02:27.02 | ZorbaBeta | on the other hand it's the qh v0.x routing engine and who knows how many of its legs it might be tripping over |
| 02:27.44 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, out of curiosity, would there be any forum policy against putting up an official QH thread? I've been thinking about it after the dust has settled from v1.0 (right now I'd just be answering all questions with "wait for 1.0" so it seems pointless) |
| 02:28.31 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: I don't think so. Check the sticky on forum Code of Conduct. Just know you're going to hit the 25/26 page cap really fast. |
| 02:28.57 | Lunessa | And it will be answering the say 4-5 questions 'cause no one read the answers you posted already. |
| 02:29.09 | I440r | it seems to be stable now |
| 02:29.10 | ZorbaBeta | eh, still useful to get a sense of what people are having trouble with |
| 02:29.21 | ZorbaBeta | a question that gets asked a hundred times is a bug, as far as I'm concerned |
| 02:29.28 | Lunessa | Yeah. Oh, and don't post from a toon you ever want to play. |
| 02:29.48 | Esamynn|Work | Lunessa: actually, I've never had a problem with that |
| 02:29.53 | Esamynn|Work | I've always posted with my main |
| 02:30.09 | Lunessa | I usually post with mine too. But I didn't write Quest Helper. :P |
| 02:30.16 | Esamynn|Work | this is true |
| 02:30.20 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno, if I could get more people on my server then maybe we'd have more of a raiding community there :P |
| 02:30.28 | ZorbaBeta | (I think someone finally beat sarth+3 a week or two ago) |
| 02:30.40 | Esamynn|Work | heh |
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| 02:31.26 | ZorbaBeta | but yeah, I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 02:31.48 | Lunessa | I mean, I get people looking for Cogwheel all the time, so I can't imagine how much traffic he gets when he logs in to play. |
| 02:32.34 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: That algorithm seems a bit screwed actually |
| 02:32.40 | Shirik | the one for intersection |
| 02:33.05 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, really? I've been using it in very intersection-heavy algorithms and never had much trouble with it |
| 02:33.19 | ZorbaBeta | although it's real, real easy to make a typo, and whenever I implement it I end up triple-checking it (and still getting it wrong sometimes) |
| 02:33.21 | Shirik | Have you used it to determine if an intersection exist? |
| 02:33.26 | Shirik | or just where the point is |
| 02:33.34 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, you just have to check the numbers mentioned at the end |
| 02:33.37 | Shirik | right |
| 02:33.45 | Shirik | I checked for ua or ub to be >= 0 and <= 1 |
| 02:33.52 | ZorbaBeta | ua *and* ub |
| 02:33.54 | Shirik | ahh |
| 02:34.09 | ZorbaBeta | ua is how far along line #1 the intersection is, ub is how far along line #2 |
| 02:34.15 | Shirik | I see |
| 02:34.19 | ZorbaBeta | if ua is 0.5 and ub is 1.5, you've got kind of a separated T shape going on |
| 02:34.25 | ZorbaBeta | there's only an actual intersection if they're both within that range |
| 02:35.27 | Shirik | works much better now |
| 02:35.28 | Shirik | <3 ZorbaBeta |
| 02:35.38 | Xinhuan | the mere fact that there is non-existant threads on Omen on the UI forums, or even posts on the wowace omen thread pleases me :P |
| 02:35.55 | ZorbaBeta | :) |
| 02:35.57 | Lunessa | Omen 3 - it just works man. |
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| 03:53.26 | Shirik | Xinhuan: When I type Omen = nil, Omen breaks |
| 03:53.28 | Shirik | fix plz |
| 03:53.37 | Xinhuan | don't type it |
| 03:53.48 | Shirik | but I want to |
| 03:53.52 | kraftman | ^^ |
| 03:53.59 | Xinhuan | in fact omen shouldn't fail because it is an upvalue in the entire file |
| 03:54.08 | Xinhuan | even if you were to type that |
| 03:54.08 | Shirik | oh well I didn't try :p |
| 03:54.22 | Xinhuan | i merely provided _G.Omen = Omen for convenience |
| 03:54.24 | Xinhuan | i didn't have to :P |
| 03:54.35 | Shirik | ok well |
| 03:54.47 | Shirik | when I do for k,v in pairs(Omen) do Omen[k] = nil; end |
| 03:54.48 | Shirik | it breaks |
| 03:54.56 | Xinhuan | :( |
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| 04:04.07 | Shirik | 17x tenacity o.o |
| 04:10.08 | ZorbaBeta | 17x tenacity is hilarious |
| 04:10.12 | ZorbaBeta | you get like two hit kills on enemies |
| 04:10.56 | Adys | this |
| 04:10.57 | Adys | is fun |
| 04:11.17 | Adys | ice lance is the most overpowered ability in the game regarding farming |
| 04:11.57 | Adys | makes ravenholdt and hated=>honored steamwheedle grinds the two easiest ones in the game |
| 04:13.05 | Adys | getting about 180-200 rep / minute |
| 04:13.28 | Adys | with a mana break every 15 min |
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| 04:14.31 | kd3 | lol, ya |
| 04:15.30 | Adys | i just hit revered bloodsail, fully hated with cartel |
| 04:15.37 | Adys | earlier on I was thinking "Im gonna test that spot outside ratchet before going to bed" |
| 04:15.44 | Adys | now Im thinking "Im gonna get neutral before going to bed" |
| 04:15.47 | kd3 | that spot outside ratchet is <3 |
| 04:15.48 | Thunder_Child | hah, i was getting beatin on in a OS25 by 20+ flame dudes and after i died thought to myself that i should have used dispersion.....then i realised that 90% DR of death is still death |
| 04:16.19 | Adys | i levelled there kd3 |
| 04:16.22 | Adys | 16-23 |
| 04:16.32 | Adys | back when rep was "that mysterious thing" |
| 04:17.31 | Adys | also the Insane ach should require revered bloodsail, not honored |
| 04:18.01 | ZorbaBeta | is there an Insane achievement? |
| 04:18.07 | kd3 | come 3.1 |
| 04:18.43 | Adys | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?achievement=2336 ZorbaBeta |
| 04:18.59 | ZorbaBeta | nice, thanks |
| 04:19.27 | ZorbaBeta | is it known to be all-at-once, or individually? |
| 04:19.46 | Adys | it seems to be all at once |
| 04:19.50 | ZorbaBeta | ouch |
| 04:19.57 | Adys | its not hard |
| 04:20.00 | Adys | not for a mage :D |
| 04:20.13 | Adys | i was kinda creeped out by the perspective too but its not hard in the end |
| 04:20.45 | Adys | s a side note you can use the Arcanume you get from this quests and turn them in inside Zul'Gurub for more rep with the trolls |
| 04:20.47 | Adys | What the hell |
| 04:22.52 | Adys | question to rogues |
| 04:23.08 | Adys | if you pickpocket a friendly unit you're at war with |
| 04:23.15 | Adys | does it attack you if it gets resisted? |
| 04:25.30 | Shirik | that's an interesting question |
| 04:25.37 | Shirik | here's a better question |
| 04:25.39 | Shirik | WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN T_T |
| 04:25.46 | Shirik | stealing from friends |
| 04:26.01 | Adys | because they're goblins |
| 04:26.04 | Adys | and look like gnomes |
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| 04:49.53 | Adys | 8443 rep in no time |
| 04:49.55 | Adys | night |
| 05:04.32 | WobWork | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-opyE2AeU |
| 05:05.55 | kd3 | 600 fish in the forlorn cavern |
| 05:06.00 | kd3 | wru ol ironjaw? |
| 05:06.13 | WobWork | are you horde? |
| 05:06.29 | kd3 | alliance |
| 05:06.33 | WobWork | pft |
| 05:06.53 | WobWork | although I can't recall if they patched the Ol Crafty bug |
| 05:07.15 | WobWork | even so, it's easier to try and catch Ol Crafty as alliance than it is Ironjaw as horde |
| 05:12.28 | durcyn | the Crocolisks in the City bug? i believe it was fixed in 3.0.4 |
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| 05:19.30 | WobWork | ps, UK residents: http://www.matterbox.co.uk/index.php |
| 05:19.35 | WobWork | jnwhiteh: ^ |
| 05:19.43 | WobWork | that'd be interesting... kinda |
| 05:19.51 | WobWork | it's free junk mail =P |
| 05:23.47 | Shirik | that's wierd |
| 05:25.15 | WobWork | omg. Ninja Bear! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia05NGd3-dU |
| 05:28.10 | Seerah | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090303/ap_on_fe_st/odd_square_root_day |
| 05:28.26 | Seerah | WobWork: I saw that this morning - it's awesome :D |
| 05:29.26 | amro | WobWork: I can keep it or give it to friends, as opposed to giving it back to the mailman next week? |
| 05:29.41 | WobWork | amro: it's for keeping I assume =) |
| 05:29.47 | WobWork | Seerah: www.worldmathsday.com |
| 05:29.59 | WobWork | this is what my company is running in the next few days =P |
| 05:30.47 | amro | I'd take the candybar and chuck out the rest |
| 05:31.51 | amro | WobWork: I was poking fun at the wording on the main page, "Matter is a new way for companies to talk to you by giving you real, physical things you might like to keep, use or give to your friends. " |
| 05:31.59 | Spellbinder | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2BgjH_CtIA |
| 05:34.32 | WobWork | Cairenn: I really want to get one of these for my new niece: http://www.squishable.com/s/ |
| 05:34.43 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 05:34.47 | WobWork | but she's only a month old =\ |
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| 05:35.30 | WobWork | She could probably sleep on it though =P |
| 05:35.37 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:36.04 | Shirik | $38? |
| 05:36.05 | Shirik | Why so much |
| 05:36.06 | WobWork | Although.. The giant chocolate moose one is... |
| 05:36.10 | WobWork | SOCUTE |
| 05:36.17 | WobWork | Shirik: inorite? =( |
| 05:36.34 | WobWork | http://www.squishable.com/pc/giant_moose_50/Squishable_Understudies/Giant+Chocolate+Moose+Understudy |
| 05:36.38 | Shirik | Oh they have monkey ones |
| 05:37.05 | WobWork | but but... GIANT CHOCOLATE MOOSE |
| 05:37.32 | WobWork | That's four foot of moose |
| 05:37.33 | Shirik | what is understudy? |
| 05:37.43 | WobWork | I think he wasn't round enough |
| 05:37.51 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://www.squishable.com/pc/squish_monkey_15/Big_Animals/Big+Squishable+Monkey |
| 05:38.00 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik | actually the moose is kinda cute |
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| 05:53.30 | WobWork | rar |
| 05:53.33 | WobWork | I want to buy stuff |
| 05:53.39 | WobWork | and using my niece as an excuse |
| 05:53.43 | WobWork | but she's too small =( |
| 05:53.53 | WobWork | Maybe I'll have to 'look after them' til she's old enough =P |
| 05:55.09 | Shirik | haha |
| 05:55.11 | WobWork | http://www.squishable.com/pc/otter_understudy/Squishable_Understudies/Otter+Understudy |
| 05:55.14 | WobWork | OTTER |
| 05:55.23 | WobWork | and also... SOY OTTER =P |
| 05:55.35 | WobWork | and Soy Lemur =) |
| 05:56.19 | WobWork | and giant turtle |
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| 06:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:10.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: from another channel, "alias emacs='rm -rf ~'" |
| 06:10.38 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:11.10 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, why did you have to quit |
| 06:11.19 | Shirik | I need a server to play on |
| 06:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:11.25 | Shirik | now I can't join yours |
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| 06:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda killed my guild too |
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| 06:14.52 | Aqua | i want off my server |
| 06:14.55 | Aqua | i hate burning legion |
| 06:14.57 | Aqua | so stupid |
| 06:16.37 | Shirik | nobody gives me server recommendations |
| 06:17.49 | Thunder_Child | what kind of recomendation do you want Shirik? |
| 06:17.55 | Shirik | a server to play on :( |
| 06:18.06 | Thunder_Child | ...there are lots |
| 06:18.15 | Thunder_Child | do you mean you want one with people you know? |
| 06:19.34 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, don't come to shattered halls |
| 06:20.15 | Shirik | I don't really know Thunder_Child |
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| 06:36.29 | Cairenn | hey guys? anyone live in/know much about/visited Italy and have any good recommendations of websites to visit for info, etc? |
| 06:36.45 | Shirik | I'm Italian |
| 06:37.09 | Cairenn | your ancestry may be Italian, but how many generations removed? :p |
| 06:37.24 | Shirik | only 2 really |
| 06:38.35 | Cairenn | daughter is going on a dig in Italy this summer, trying to come up with some good stuff for her to look at - when she went to England & Scotland last summer, Iriel gave her a link to a really good site |
| 06:38.55 | Cairenn | hoping someone might have some similar suggestions for her trip to Italy this year |
| 06:43.22 | Corrodias | eating italian sausage |
| 06:43.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:44.19 | batrick | (obvious remarks follow...) Take a look at sistine chapel and St. Peter's Bassilica. Florence is an excellent town to walk around (devote at least ~2 days to that). Pisa is small and only worth a couple hours. Assisi (sp?) is great too, take a look at Fransiscan chapel they have there where St. Francis is buried. |
| 06:44.19 | batbot | batrick, Assisi is correct. |
| 06:45.07 | amro | Cairenn: attend a Juventus or A.C. Milan match live |
| 06:51.15 | Cairenn | She's helping to excavate a Roman villa at Poggio del Molino, Populonia, along Tuscany's central coast overlooking the Tyrrhenian sea |
| 06:52.25 | Cairenn | she will (likely) fly into Rome, then take the train up to Pisa which is where they rendezvous |
| 06:52.49 | batrick | how much time can she set aside before traveling to Pisa? |
| 06:53.22 | Cairenn | that's part of what we need to figure out - how much lead time does she want, how much time after, before coming home |
| 06:53.48 | Cairenn | I'm hoping she'll do the same as last summer - go on the dig first, then spend some time being a tourist |
| 06:53.50 | batrick | Well I hightly recommend spending some time in Firenze (Florence), it's just a little east of Pisa |
| 06:53.54 | batrick | highly* |
| 06:53.57 | Cairenn | that way she's got a bit of a feel for things |
| 07:04.55 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 07:05.00 | kd3 | 42 |
| 07:05.03 | Shirik | Some random guy, we will call him Mr. Foo |
| 07:05.09 | Shirik | he is a DK |
| 07:05.15 | Shirik | on a scale of -10 to 10, where 0 is average player |
| 07:05.18 | Shirik | rate him in terms of goodness |
| 07:05.23 | kd3 | -42 |
| 07:05.26 | ZorbaBeta | -2 or -3 |
| 07:06.17 | ZorbaBeta | although I suppose I'm using a definition of "average" as "the average person I would be willing to group with" |
| 07:06.26 | Shirik | that's acceptable |
| 07:07.25 | Thunder_Child | thats....very random |
| 07:08.04 | ZorbaBeta | although if you want a serious I-will-never-group-with-this-person-no-matter-what: I saw a Night Elf Death Knight named "Arthas Jenkins", with wacky high-ascii characters in his nickname, recruiting for the kill-all-horde-leaders achievement, in all caps and lots of exclamation points, at level 61 |
| 07:09.30 | Syzgyn | He must be super pro. |
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| 07:10.20 | ZorbaBeta | sadly, the other people on my server did not share your optimism, and he spammed /2 for several hours before giving up. |
| 07:11.06 | Syzgyn | There should be a dedicated server only for people that pro. |
| 07:11.31 | Syzgyn | Away from us mere mortals |
| 07:11.38 | Torhal | There is. They even pad it. |
| 07:12.43 | ZorbaBeta | I've always thought it would be neat if they had servers with qualifiers to get in |
| 07:12.58 | ZorbaBeta | one server named Bleeding Skulldeath where you have to messily slaughter a lot of virtual sheep |
| 07:13.05 | ZorbaBeta | and one server named Flowertown where you have to solve a math problem |
| 07:13.05 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 07:13.14 | Shirik | s/math/calculus/ |
| 07:13.21 | ZorbaBeta | I think it would neatly split people apart into the groups that they'd rather play with |
| 07:13.59 | ZorbaBeta | of course I also think that the word "Anal" in /2 should be an automatic 12-hour suspension |
| 07:14.13 | Syzgyn | Well, then you'd atleast know that the asshat camping you is doing it solely out of malice, and knows what the hell he's doing, instead of some tard you might be able to get away from. |
| 07:14.31 | ZorbaBeta | syz, see, that's why I think Eve Online PVP is so much more satisfying than WoW PVP |
| 07:14.41 | ZorbaBeta | in WoW, you're killing someone because they decided they wanted to be a cow instead of a squid |
| 07:14.42 | Syzgyn | Why's that? |
| 07:14.54 | ZorbaBeta | in Eve Online, you're either killing someone because you personally detest them, or because they're a target |
| 07:15.00 | ZorbaBeta | and in the latter case, they rapidly end up personally detesting you. |
| 07:15.08 | ZorbaBeta | There's so much more *emotion* involved. |
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| 07:15.23 | I440r | is there a way to LOCK down my necrosis so i dont keep accidently disconnecting menu buttons and draging them off in space ? |
| 07:15.32 | Syzgyn | I don't think I could deal with losing hours of work because some guy decided I looked like an easy kill |
| 07:16.00 | kd3 | pretty sure necrosis has a lock option in its menu, somewhere |
| 07:16.06 | I440r | i cant find it |
| 07:16.07 | ZorbaBeta | it's definitely not for everyone, no. But it has more interesting ups and downs. Nothing serious is ever accomplished in WoW PvP. |
| 07:16.07 | Thunder_Child | anyone know an issue with mana gems that says something like "Tried to enchant an item that doesnt exist"? |
| 07:16.10 | I440r | i been looking too |
| 07:16.18 | Syzgyn | Very true Zorba |
| 07:16.36 | Syzgyn | I do like the social aspect of it |
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| 07:16.59 | Syzgyn | All the sabotage and secrecy |
| 07:17.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah. it's pretty neat when you're involved in it even tangentially |
| 07:17.56 | I440r | zorba im not a fan of fishbowl pvp and in wow thats all there is now |
| 07:18.00 | ZorbaBeta | I played for a while - we'd have things where the commanders would get on and say "alright, anyone who has a few hours, grab a battleship and get in this fleet" |
| 07:18.11 | ZorbaBeta | and we'd sit in some empty middle-of-nowhere system for like two hours |
| 07:18.15 | ZorbaBeta | and then they'd say "alright, go home!" |
| 07:18.26 | Shirik | sigh |
| 07:18.28 | Syzgyn | Very exciting... |
| 07:18.29 | Shirik | I wish I had never made this addon |
| 07:18.31 | Shirik | it's rather depressing |
| 07:18.43 | Syzgyn | which? |
| 07:18.44 | ZorbaBeta | and a week or two later we'd suddenly have a new frontline outpost in the middle of nowhere and it would turn out that we'd been guarding thousands of dollars worth of equipment |
| 07:19.02 | Shirik | It detects laps you take around Dalaran and reports how many laps you've made while bored |
| 07:19.02 | ZorbaBeta | or the commanders would say "Yeah, we can never tell you why you did that, but trust it, it was *very important*" |
| 07:19.10 | Syzgyn | Hahaha |
| 07:19.22 | Syzgyn | That's a pro mod shirik |
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| 07:19.23 | Shirik | It does, however, tell me that I seem to favor clockwise laps over counter-clockwise laps |
| 07:19.38 | Syzgyn | I stay the hell out of dalaran as much as I can |
| 07:20.02 | ZorbaBeta | I think Dalaran is awesome, but then again, low-population server |
| 07:20.18 | Syzgyn | Yeah, I'm on an original server |
| 07:20.31 | Syzgyn | Dalaran lags me the hell out and usually desynchs me from the server |
| 07:20.36 | Syzgyn | if its during raid hours |
| 07:20.52 | Thunder_Child | wtf....disabling all addons for a particular char doesnt actually work? |
| 07:21.01 | Syzgyn | but my computer does suck pretty bad too |
| 07:21.12 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: not with the default addon ui thingy on login screen |
| 07:21.24 | Thunder_Child | well thats fail |
| 07:21.37 | Thunder_Child | thanks nevcairiel |
| 07:22.25 | Thunder_Child | and i would LOVE to know why i cant create a damn mana gem |
| 07:22.39 | ZorbaBeta | dammit, I am literally standing on the Ironforge port location, I'm offering 5g, and I can't get a port to Dal |
| 07:22.46 | ZorbaBeta | my server sucks |
| 07:23.59 | Syzgyn | I do like high-pop servers for things like that |
| 07:24.00 | Thunder_Child | and the KB is down....so fail |
| 07:24.03 | Syzgyn | and the AH is always full |
| 07:24.32 | ZorbaBeta | my server's AH more than doubled when we got free transfers in :P |
| 07:24.45 | nevcairiel | They're all out to get you today, TC |
| 07:24.58 | ZorbaBeta | went from 100 pages to 250 pages |
| 07:24.58 | Thunder_Child | maybe it's a sign nevcairiel |
| 07:25.08 | Syzgyn | and prices dropped too I bet |
| 07:25.24 | Shirik | Where else do people idle? |
| 07:25.27 | Shirik | And run around randomly? |
| 07:25.30 | Shirik | I need to set up more tracks |
| 07:25.34 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno. Maybe. It's hard to tell, since that was right around 3.0 |
| 07:25.34 | kd3 | if |
| 07:25.37 | Syzgyn | IF still |
| 07:25.38 | ZorbaBeta | and prices were crazy anyway |
| 07:25.45 | Syzgyn | ah yeah |
| 07:25.46 | kd3 | shat, outside the terrace of light |
| 07:25.46 | Shirik | There's a lot of laps you can make in IF though |
| 07:25.55 | Shirik | ah shatt is a good one |
| 07:26.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, common is inner and outer rings |
| 07:26.07 | kd3 | ^ |
| 07:26.31 | Shirik | I guess I could just make radial gates out of shatt |
| 07:26.37 | Shirik | and same for IF |
| 07:26.57 | Thunder_Child | not so much in SW or Darn |
| 07:27.22 | Shirik | Yeah well |
| 07:27.26 | Thunder_Child | heh, also around the stone @ naxx |
| 07:27.27 | Shirik | only fail people play alliance anyway |
| 07:27.29 | Shirik | ooooooooooooo |
| 07:27.46 | Shirik | that's a really tiny track |
| 07:28.01 | Thunder_Child | makes for more fun |
| 07:28.32 | Syzgyn | next patch you could make ones in instances |
| 07:28.34 | Shirik | maybe I'll just upload the dalaran one for now and worry about the others later |
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| 07:29.28 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 07:31.48 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 07:32.10 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 07:32.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:32.30 | Fisker- | Gonna reinstall windows today :/ |
| 07:32.43 | Syzgyn | I had to do that 2 weeks ago |
| 07:32.50 | Syzgyn | It was great fun, lemme tell ya |
| 07:32.54 | Fisker- | Windows 7 Build 7048 was leaked >:3 |
| 07:33.30 | haste | or was it?! |
| 07:33.40 | Syzgyn | DUN DUN DUNNNN |
| 07:33.55 | Fisker- | it was :O |
| 07:38.53 | Fisker- | Blizzard should make us exalted with both factions after doing sholazaar mercenary :o |
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| 07:41.22 | Elkano | they wont 'cause they hate you |
| 07:42.44 | Fisker- | i know |
| 07:49.17 | Wobin | So it's Fisker's fault we can't get exalted with both? |
| 07:49.26 | Shirik | what are AV marks used for these days? |
| 07:49.36 | nevcairiel | rams |
| 07:49.58 | Fisker- | ^^ Wobin |
| 07:50.06 | Shirik | that's it? |
| 07:50.16 | nevcairiel | probably some gear too |
| 07:50.41 | Elkano | sad that they still only stack to 100 |
| 07:51.55 | Fisker- | doesn't matter much since horde can't win av unless alliance are retards :( |
| 07:53.11 | Shirik | omfg |
| 07:53.14 | Shirik | spring break is next week |
| 07:53.15 | Shirik | no wai |
| 07:53.20 | Shirik | that can't be right |
| 07:54.36 | Elkano | Fisker-, so reroll Alliance to help them... ;) |
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| 08:18.35 | Shirik | ~nickometer Fisker- |
| 08:18.37 | Fisker- | heh |
| 08:18.38 | Fisker- | fu |
| 08:18.44 | Fisker- | ~nickmetere Shirik |
| 08:19.07 | Fisker- | ~nickmeter Shirik |
| 08:19.08 | purl | Shirik is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 08:19.08 | Fisker- | FFFFUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 08:19.08 | Shirik | ~fail Fisker- |
| 08:19.09 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Fisker-. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:19.09 | Fisker- | naw |
| 08:19.09 | Elkano | ~nickometer Elkano |
| 08:19.15 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 08:19.19 | Fisker- | OWNT Shirik |
| 08:19.21 | Shirik | ~literal nickmeter Shirik |
| 08:19.22 | purl | Shirik is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 08:19.24 | Fisker- | shh |
| 08:19.27 | Fisker- | you're failing |
| 08:19.31 | Wobin | hehe terrible |
| 08:19.32 | Fisker- | can't touch this |
| 08:19.41 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo nickometer Shirik |
| 08:19.41 | purl | there's no such factoid as nickometer shirik, Thunder_Child |
| 08:19.48 | Shirik | nickmeter, not nickometer |
| 08:19.48 | Wobin | no 'o' |
| 08:19.52 | Fisker- | fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:19.53 | Fisker- | FAIL |
| 08:19.55 | Wobin | cause Fisker failed =P |
| 08:19.56 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo nickmeter Shirik |
| 08:19.56 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as nickmeter shirik |
| 08:20.08 | Elkano | ~literal nickmeter |
| 08:20.15 | Fisker- | ~literal nickmeter CMD:(*.?) |
| 08:20.16 | purl | CMD:(*.?) is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 08:20.16 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo CMD: nickmeter Shirik (.*?) |
| 08:20.16 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as cmd: nickmeter shirik (.*?) |
| 08:20.17 | Fisker- | or something like that |
| 08:20.24 | Fisker- | ownt |
| 08:20.26 | Fisker- | n00bs |
| 08:20.28 | Elkano | ~literal nickometer |
| 08:20.35 | Fisker- | or wait :E |
| 08:20.59 | Shirik | ~literal cmd: nickmeter (.*?) |
| 08:21.00 | purl | "cmd: nickmeter (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> $1 is 100% lame with a cherry on top!" |
| 08:21.00 | Lukian | ~nickmeter Fisker- |
| 08:21.01 | purl | Fisker- is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 08:21.02 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo CMD: nickmeter(.*?) |
| 08:21.02 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as cmd: nickmeter(.*?) |
| 08:21.04 | Shirik | There it is |
| 08:21.05 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 08:21.08 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 08:21.19 | Wobin | ~nickometer Fisker- |
| 08:21.25 | Shirik | ~factinfo cmd: nickmeter (.*?) |
| 08:21.25 | purl | cmd: nickmeter (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d511328b.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Mon Oct 7 23:16:19 2002 (2338 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by Lukian, 24s ago. |
| 08:21.44 | Wobin | 6? |
| 08:21.50 | Shirik | They got reset a while ago |
| 08:21.53 | Wobin | aha |
| 08:21.55 | Elkano | ~factinfo cmd: nickometer (.*?) |
| 08:21.55 | purl | there's no such factoid as cmd: nickometer (.*?), Elkano |
| 08:22.01 | Shirik | ~factinfo failrik |
| 08:22.01 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (350 days); it has been requested 33 times, last by foxlit, 10h 17m 12s ago. |
| 08:22.07 | Shirik | do you honestly think I've only failed 33 times in 350 days? |
| 08:22.10 | Elkano | ~factinfo nickometer |
| 08:22.10 | purl | there's no such factoid as nickometer, Elkano |
| 08:22.17 | Elkano | ~literal nickometer |
| 08:22.19 | Fisker- | naww Shirik |
| 08:22.22 | haste | ~factinfo haste |
| 08:22.22 | purl | haste -- last modified at Tue Feb 10 15:17:03 2009 by Fisker-!i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk; it has been requested 4 times, last by Fisker- at Tue Feb 10 08:17:07 2009. |
| 08:22.31 | haste | lol wut |
| 08:22.31 | Wobin | ~haste |
| 08:22.32 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. Most people dont like him. |
| 08:22.37 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:22.47 | Elkano | ~emulate Fisker- |
| 08:22.48 | purl | somebody said emulate fisker- was DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER |
| 08:23.03 | Fisker- | :O |
| 08:23.13 | Fisker- | it's fail :( |
| 08:24.09 | Elkano | I'd rather say perfect match |
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| 08:35.46 | Prilosec | yo |
| 08:37.12 | Cairenn | hi |
| 08:37.12 | haste | haroo |
| 08:39.41 | Prilosec | how is everything going this fine evening? |
| 08:41.08 | nevcairiel | its 9:40 am and i'm working :P |
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| 08:41.28 | Wobin | wow, my server is so stuffed up |
| 08:41.32 | Cairenn | it's 3:40 am and I'm still awake |
| 08:41.38 | Wobin | can't seem to log in anywhere |
| 08:41.39 | haste | it's 9:40 and I'm watching heroes |
| 08:41.55 | Wobin | it's 7:40pm and I'm considering dinner |
| 08:42.18 | Cairenn | it's so much fun comparing times, love this channel :) |
| 08:42.56 | haste | :) |
| 08:43.37 | Prilosec | heroes is a good show... i watched it when it first started, then i started working when it was on, and now i'm trying to catch up |
| 08:44.06 | krka | heroes was a good show |
| 08:44.10 | krka | but that was a long time ago :( |
| 08:44.37 | nevcairiel | I like the new season actually, the previous one was rather shitty though |
| 08:45.04 | Fisker- | Wobin's on fire |
| 08:48.21 | krka | it's too obvious that they're just making stuff up as the go along, instead of having a season-wide plan |
| 08:51.02 | Fisker- | btw i lol'd |
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| 08:51.18 | Fisker- | saw all these ipv6 connections and i figured i wanted to find out why i got that :o |
| 08:51.21 | Prilosec | the same thing kind of thing seemed to happen with smallville |
| 08:51.27 | Fisker- | so i checked if my ISP suddenly supported ipv6 |
| 08:51.50 | Fisker- | And they wrote ipv6 was just a vista thing and that internet would work with ipv6 |
| 08:51.53 | Fisker- | /facepalm |
| 08:52.02 | Cairenn | o.O |
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| 08:59.33 | Shirik | sigh |
| 08:59.39 | Shirik | people in trade are linking [Barak's Head] |
| 09:00.32 | NightHawkTheSane | clever. </dry> |
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| 09:01.23 | Hiroism | hi |
| 09:01.23 | Hiroism | doesn anyone know if wow is rolling restarts or server going down for 6 hours? |
| 09:01.43 | Prilosec | probably servers goig down |
| 09:02.42 | Hiroism | ooh, someone said its rolling restarts |
| 09:03.08 | Prilosec | well, it is tuesday, approaching maintenance time |
| 09:03.23 | Prilosec | four more hours anyways |
| 09:04.31 | Hiroism | but on some tuesdays , they rolling restart, and on some tuesdays, they close for maintenance for 6 hours |
| 09:04.38 | Hiroism | i was hoping it would rolling restart |
| 09:05.01 | Fisker- | good idea Shirik |
| 09:06.56 | Fisker- | ~wowalert |
| 09:06.57 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 09:07.07 | Fisker- | Yo dawg |
| 09:07.22 | Fisker- | i heard you like spamming me so you put your spam in your spam so you could spam me while you spam |
| 09:07.35 | Prilosec | oh snap |
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| 09:08.43 | Prilosec | i once drove behind a person who had an lcd in his back window and i got a chance to watch what he was watching... shrek |
| 09:08.45 | Hiroism | thanks purl !! |
| 09:10.00 | Hiroism | most of the time , those lcd shows cartoons... i was hoping it could be porn tho |
| 09:10.23 | nevcairiel | porn while driving? i bet that can be distracting =P |
| 09:12.15 | Fisker- | driving while dead? |
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| 09:57.03 | Thunder_Child | why do all the 14-year old girls at my school have completely impossible crushes, like orlando bloom? |
| 09:57.04 | Thunder_Child | why don't they go for someone more realistic? |
| 09:57.09 | Thunder_Child | like r. kelly. |
| 09:58.48 | Cairenn | why are you worrying about the crushes of _14_ year olds? |
| 09:59.04 | selckin | so he fail at being funny |
| 09:59.07 | selckin | +can |
| 09:59.19 | Thunder_Child | it's a quote - the "" |
| 09:59.34 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 09:59.50 | Thunder_Child | but what can i say Cairenn, i worry about the crushes of 14yo |
| 09:59.57 | Cairenn | perv |
| 10:02.06 | Thunder_Child | no....pervert means unnatural or abnormal...have you ever been to japan? |
| 10:02.22 | Cairenn | :p |
| 10:03.53 | Shirik | I would love to live in Japan |
| 10:09.05 | Aqua | i've love to get laid, but it aint gonna happen anytime soon |
| 10:09.17 | Cairenn | Shirik, why are you still awake? |
| 10:09.28 | Shirik | sbusy |
| 10:09.31 | Shirik | I won't sleep tonight |
| 10:09.33 | Thunder_Child | thats kinda random Aqua |
| 10:09.47 | Fisker- | Referring to the 14 year olds i guess |
| 10:10.04 | Thunder_Child | and Cairenn, something about a pot calling a kettle black comes to mind |
| 10:10.16 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: shhhh ;) |
| 10:10.33 | Shirik | what does that mean |
| 10:10.35 | Shirik | pot calls kettle black |
| 10:10.40 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 10:10.44 | Aqua | Sorry I just felt like going random |
| 10:10.49 | Thunder_Child | now i feel old |
| 10:10.51 | Cairenn | Shirik you haven't heard that before?! |
| 10:10.53 | Aqua | with the day i've had |
| 10:10.54 | Thunder_Child | thanks Shirik |
| 10:11.24 | Shirik | I am old |
| 10:11.26 | Shirik | don't worry |
| 10:11.55 | Thunder_Child | lies Shirik |
| 10:13.30 | Shirik | we all are old |
| 10:13.37 | Shirik | isn't it depressing |
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| 10:14.22 | krka | i am old too :( |
| 10:14.36 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 10:14.38 | krka | i am so old, that people i see on tv that i think are old, are younger than me |
| 10:14.39 | Aqua | I'm young, but i feel old |
| 10:14.39 | Shirik | Cairenn is going to sleep soon |
| 10:14.46 | krka | that never used to be the case |
| 10:14.53 | Cairenn | as a matter of fact, yes I am :) |
| 10:15.21 | Shirik | good |
| 10:15.26 | Shirik | krka: Like Hannah Montana? |
| 10:15.43 | krka | dont know who that is |
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| 10:15.47 | Shirik | ?! |
| 10:15.50 | Shirik | how |
| 10:16.27 | Thunder_Child | milee cyrus or somesuch |
| 10:16.29 | Aqua | too young to screw, too young to know imo |
| 10:18.18 | Thunder_Child | "Geek used to be a 4-letter word; now it's a 6-figure one." |
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| 10:24.20 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: where does that quote come from? |
| 10:24.38 | Cairenn | about geeks |
| 10:37.47 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "Geek used to be a 4-letter word; now it's a 6-figure one." |
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| 10:45.02 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, dunno, just osmething i noticed on bash.org |
| 10:45.06 | Thunder_Child | something* |
| 10:45.31 | Cairenn | yeah, found it, saw there wasn't a particular credit given |
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| 11:05.17 | Fisker- | haste btw |
| 11:05.20 | Fisker- | i hate butsu |
| 11:06.17 | Shirik | i hate Fisker- |
| 11:09.42 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 13:05.33 | Ycarene | Are there any restrictions as to how one licenses their addon? |
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| 13:07.59 | haste | no, not officially at least |
| 13:08.47 | Ycarene | It seems that the addon, carbonite, is offered in a "full" version for a subscription fee. I wish them luck, but it sounds kind of pointless. |
| 13:12.35 | haste | yep |
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| 13:17.19 | Pizik_afk | I don't think there can be restrictions can there? Surely M$ would be charging people for making software for WIndows if that was the case |
| 13:18.27 | Arrowmaster | ms could but nobody would use windows then |
| 13:24.00 | Ycarene | pizik_afk - yeah, they could, but part of being a popular OS is attracting developers, especially ones that want to make a living at what they do. |
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| 13:25.11 | Fisker- | Blizzard should smite Carbonite devs |
| 13:25.22 | Ycarene | Why? |
| 13:25.48 | haste | Blizzard should smite Fiskerdin |
| 13:25.51 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 13:25.58 | Fisker- | but i just bubble+hs |
| 13:26.15 | haste | cheats |
| 13:27.26 | haste | I'm already on the sofa |
| 13:27.35 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:29.18 | Ycarene | Who cares if they want to sell it. |
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| 13:33.42 | Fisker- | i don't care |
| 13:33.46 | Fisker- | i just don't like it |
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| 14:35.43 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear. |
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| 14:38.33 | |Jelly| | How are you? Feeling any better? |
| 14:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | It ain't strep, so I'm back at work and sucking it up. I'm a Peppy of very little voice, but I'm trying! |
| 14:40.48 | |Jelly| | Lots of sheeple today? |
| 14:41.01 | Lopeppeppy | Only one sheeple today, 1:30 |
| 14:41.37 | |Jelly| | Well, that's good. |
| 14:42.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I'd totally not be up for much. I'm glad I can just smile at my office mates, they dont' want to get near me for fear of catching what I have. :) |
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| 14:53.11 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple. My users are such adorable sheeple, they baaaa with great confusion until I explain it to them again. |
| 14:55.26 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443528538&sid=1 At least they admit it. |
| 14:55.30 | Lopeppeppy | Part stupid sheep, part people. Sheeple. |
| 14:55.46 | alestane | "I don't GEEEEEET it!" |
| 14:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | Baaaaaaaaa! *tears* |
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| 15:02.29 | Hirsute | Overall, I think 3.1 is doing things to remedy the over-nerfing of BM hunters, so it amuses me to see people qqing about it. |
| 15:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | Someone will ALWAYS qq. No matter how buffed a class is, someone will qq. |
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| 15:04.18 | Hirsute | It's true. It just makes me go, "Really? What about the following buffs? You're whining because one pet class was slightly nerfed compared to other pet classes, when BM overall is getting a buff?" But hey, screw the big picture... |
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| 15:11.23 | Arrowmaster | ok theres no way in hell this isnt a ToS/EULA violation http://wowspeech.net/ |
| 15:11.53 | nevcairiel | why would it? |
| 15:13.14 | alestane | Well, I'm not sure how it can do what it does without memory or network scanning. |
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| 15:13.56 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 15:14.24 | nevcairiel | It could produce a million sound files and play those :D |
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| 15:14.39 | Arrowmaster | its a program not an addon |
| 15:14.52 | alestane | However, they say to launch the application while the game is running, so it doesn't sound like an addon. |
| 15:15.05 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i didnt actually download it |
| 15:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | It has to see what's on your screen somehow, which isn't positive. |
| 15:15.29 | nevcairiel | maybe it requires chatlog to be on, doesnt that still stream out in realtime? |
| 15:15.35 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 15:15.46 | Lopeppeppy | Never knew anything streamed out in realtime at all. WoW is a closed sandbox. |
| 15:16.06 | nevcairiel | chatlog used to |
| 15:16.13 | Adys | * NEW - IsPlayerResolutionAvailable |
| 15:16.15 | Adys | Whats that? |
| 15:16.39 | Hirsute | Makes sure you don't try to start at a resolution the machine can't display? Dunno. |
| 15:17.08 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: They could packet scan, rather than screen scan. Either way, it's a ToS violation. |
| 15:17.14 | Adys | why PlayerResolution then? O_o |
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| 15:18.17 | Hirsute | No idea, was just a guess. |
| 15:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | Them are violations. Do not like. |
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| 15:21.13 | Hirsute | Though it would be wise of Blizz to include something like that for sight-impaired people within the game client. |
| 15:21.39 | nevcairiel | sight-impaired people shouldn't really be playing video games =/ |
| 15:22.21 | alestane | Rather like Magelo, the intent is basically benign, but the methods are dubious. |
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| 15:24.23 | Adys | cant really blame them either |
| 15:24.51 | Adys | theres no other way to do it |
| 15:25.16 | Adys | a lot of fansites violate the tos one way or another |
| 15:25.19 | Hirsute | What does Magelo do? |
| 15:25.22 | Adys | like databases for example. |
| 15:25.27 | Adys | Hirsute: its a wowarmory clone sorta |
| 15:25.34 | Adys | keeps you a profile with tons of stuff |
| 15:25.40 | Adys | was here in the EQ times iirc |
| 15:25.54 | alestane | Adys: Thottbot and Allakhazam don't have to violate the ToU to do what they do. |
| 15:25.56 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: It's quite possible for someone to see well enough to navigate the 3d world, but still have a hard time reading the chat window. |
| 15:26.05 | Adys | alestane: thottbot does at least |
| 15:26.14 | Hirsute | How so? |
| 15:26.22 | Adys | Where do you think all the spells come from? |
| 15:26.37 | Hirsute | And addon that records info as it encounters it in-game? |
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| 15:26.42 | Adys | no |
| 15:26.44 | nevcairiel | All of those stat pages scan dbc files |
| 15:26.46 | Hirsute | And is parsed out-of-game. |
| 15:26.49 | alestane | Not a violation of the ToU to read the data files as far as I know. |
| 15:26.50 | Hirsute | Ah. |
| 15:27.17 | Adys | alestane: my guildmaster runs judgehype, a french DB |
| 15:27.26 | Adys | well, fansite |
| 15:27.26 | nevcairiel | Those clients will upload your itemcache.dbc and more fun stuff, usually |
| 15:27.38 | Adys | and french blizz is very pissed at anyone who touches the data files |
| 15:27.52 | Adys | they have to use ingame data exclusively to do all the parsing and shiz |
| 15:28.57 | Adys | its a real hell nightmare for him and I've a lot of pity for anyone who has to go through all that stuff to display what thottbot&co do |
| 15:29.13 | Adys | same goes for talent calculator and stuff like that |
| 15:30.08 | nevcairiel | Those pages just scan data, and seem to get by just fine |
| 15:30.53 | Adys | well |
| 15:31.11 | Adys | for what i know they tried to do that one day, blizz threatened them to get them out of the fansite program |
| 15:31.22 | Adys | (which doesnt seem to happen for any english website .. but meh) |
| 15:31.28 | nevcairiel | don't ask me if thott or wowhead are fansites |
| 15:31.37 | Adys | wowhead is an OFS |
| 15:32.03 | nevcairiel | wowhead just has to scan data, they have so many details about spells being cast that you probably can't get from the game API |
| 15:32.38 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60440 |
| 15:32.42 | Adys | Apply Aura: Periodic Trigger |
| 15:32.43 | Adys | Value: 1 every 1 second |
| 15:32.48 | Adys | thats straight out of the game files |
| 15:32.52 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 15:32.57 | nevcairiel | thats what i mean |
| 15:33.19 | Adys | (those *@!& popups..) |
| 15:33.38 | alestane | Right, but I don't recall anything in the ToU banning that. |
| 15:34.08 | alestane | Memory and network traffic, yes. |
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| 15:34.35 | nevcairiel | I think at least the EU ToU has something in it |
| 15:34.50 | Adys | Im not even sure memory scan is banned actually |
| 15:34.56 | Adys | as long as you dont inject anything |
| 15:36.05 | nevcairiel | does pressing a key fall under "inject"? |
| 15:36.05 | nevcairiel | since i'm not injecting in the game |
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| 15:36.41 | Adys | id say if you're pressing a key ingame, it doesn't fall under injecting, no |
| 15:36.55 | Adys | if you're doing an action out of the game, and it has an effect in the game, it would |
| 15:37.01 | nevcairiel | so i could write a bot with memory scanning and sending keystrokes to the OS? |
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| 15:37.08 | Hirsute | Pretty sure that the verbage is along the lines of "interacting with the game" and then has the caveat of "accessing program memory" but I'd need to look. |
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| 15:37.34 | Adys | nevcairiel: if you send keystrokes, it comes from an outside source |
| 15:37.37 | Adys | so thats injecting |
| 15:37.42 | Adys | IANAL, thats how I see it |
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| 15:38.22 | alestane | "C. use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;" |
| 15:38.45 | Hirsute | There you have it. |
| 15:38.52 | alestane | That could be read as barring MPQ examination as well, but it's pretty clear about memory scanning. |
| 15:38.57 | nevcairiel | man i just had that copied |
| 15:39.05 | nevcairiel | i r too slow |
| 15:39.11 | AckisWork | alestane: that means running the program on an OS is illegal. |
| 15:39.23 | Hirsute | Aye, and it's interesting that they reserve the right to allow third party UIs. |
| 15:39.26 | Adys | its clear but fuzzy too yeah |
| 15:39.33 | Adys | I mean |
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| 15:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | No ackis, I've only just recovered from the last beating. |
| 15:40.19 | nevcairiel | the EU version of the ToU is a bit more clear there |
| 15:40.23 | nevcairiel | imho anyway |
| 15:40.28 | Adys | to be the devil's advocate, i could make a program that mirrors the memory used by wow to another part of memory without reading it, and reading that second part |
| 15:40.41 | Lopeppeppy | No ToS/EULA will EVER be crystal clear. Their entire purpose is to limit users while giving companies fudge room. |
| 15:40.41 | nevcairiel | How can you mirror it without reading it? |
| 15:40.43 | Adys | and yeah Im being a total capillotracting jerk here |
| 15:40.56 | krka | mm... fudge! |
| 15:41.07 | Adys | nevcairiel: I'm not collecting anything, not mining anything, .. just copying stuff |
| 15:41.13 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, krka. Can we talk about cookies instead of ephemeral dead horses? |
| 15:41.15 | nevcairiel | Adys: still reading |
| 15:41.35 | krka | that's like saying "i didn't kill him, i just stabbed him. the death was just a side effect" |
| 15:41.46 | Adys | nevcairiel: look at it that way: how can you make a backup of your wow directory for example without reading the MPQs? |
| 15:41.47 | Hirsute | You have to read it to copy it, even if you don't do any logic on it |
| 15:41.51 | Adys | krka: I swear I didnty |
| 15:43.05 | krka | Adys: that's not defined as reading, just copying. and copying the bits in memory to a mirror is fine. reading the mirror is not, because it's the same data |
| 15:43.17 | nevcairiel | Adys: you still copy your RAM for the purpose of mining data from it, it has no other practical use =P |
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| 15:43.30 | krka | i copy my ram all the time for backup purposes |
| 15:43.35 | Adys | manually |
| 15:43.38 | Adys | on a piece of paper |
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| 15:43.45 | nevcairiel | hibernate mode, imho |
| 15:43.46 | krka | if the power goes, i still have all my stuff in the second half of the ram |
| 15:43.47 | Adys | anyway thats outside the point, if I were to need memory data I wouldn't care copying it |
| 15:44.25 | nevcairiel | I just found the regulations for wow char names again, you know you could get 90% of the players to rename if those were enforced |
| 15:44.50 | alestane | Don't remind Cairenn. |
| 15:44.58 | Adys | ~remind Cairenn|afk |
| 15:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | I saw a character on Kirin Tor "Ieatcookies" |
| 15:45.31 | krka | mmm cookies! |
| 15:45.34 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: Aye. But can you imagine the time GMs wouldn't have to do anything else, if they enforced the naming rules? |
| 15:45.42 | alestane | "Healismyjob" |
| 15:45.48 | nevcairiel | They should hire me to do it |
| 15:45.51 | nevcairiel | i would have some fun |
| 15:45.54 | krka | me too! |
| 15:45.56 | nevcairiel | i even do it for free |
| 15:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I soooo read that wrong |
| 15:46.27 | Lopeppeppy | And Blood Lust is back. |
| 15:46.28 | krka | "ooh... an obscure reference to an ancient religious mythological figure.. baleted!" |
| 15:46.34 | Adys | nevcairiel: some guy told me the same thing about banning guys on mmo champion |
| 15:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | Or was. For like 3 seonds |
| 15:46.43 | Adys | promoted him mod, he grew bored of it after a week |
| 15:46.43 | alestane | ...they just can't make up their minds, can they? |
| 15:46.48 | krka | Lopeppeppy: happy to hear that, did you need any prescription medication for it? |
| 15:47.08 | nevcairiel | Adys: would be a week of fun |
| 15:47.08 | Hirsute | I honestly wish someone would report my old main. I wouldn't mind renaming him, but I'm not paying $25 to do it. |
| 15:47.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:47.09 | Adys | its a nice thing to do if you're bored =P |
| 15:47.12 | Lopeppeppy | krka, over the counter works. Draino, actually |
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| 15:47.24 | Adys | Hirsute: tell someone to do so then |
| 15:47.29 | krka | blood lust for 3 seconds is rarely enough in my experience |
| 15:47.52 | Hirsute | Adys: I've tried, no one will, not even the ones who feel the need to @#$!% about it to me in whispers. |
| 15:47.52 | Adys | I personally which whoever is squatting the Adys name on bloodhoof deletes this *@!& char |
| 15:48.13 | alestane | EU or US Bloodhoof? |
| 15:48.15 | nevcairiel | Yeah they should free names after 2 years of inactivity or so |
| 15:48.19 | Adys | alestane: eu |
| 15:48.25 | alestane | Ah, I'm on US. |
| 15:48.31 | krka | i accidentally your main |
| 15:48.32 | nevcairiel | mark them for rename-on-login and free the name |
| 15:48.47 | Adys | yeah nevcairiel =( |
| 15:48.50 | Adys | worst thing is |
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| 15:49.08 | Adys | I saw someone asking for an old unused char getting name-freed on US |
| 15:49.11 | Adys | and getting it |
| 15:49.29 | Adys | tried on EU, got negative reply twice last year* |
| 15:49.30 | nevcairiel | try again :D |
| 15:49.44 | Adys | I do once in a while |
| 15:49.47 | Adys | not much hope tho |
| 15:49.56 | krka | adys should be banned |
| 15:50.02 | Hirsute | Anyone have a toon on SilverHand, Alliance side? |
| 15:50.08 | krka | The Battle of Adys (or Adis) was fought in 255 BC between Carthage and a Roman army led by Marcus Atilius Regulus. |
| 15:50.13 | Adys | they wont even tell me if the owner of the char still has an active account |
| 15:50.19 | nevcairiel | lol krka |
| 15:50.21 | krka | clearly applies to "Have any national connotations " |
| 15:50.27 | krka | italian in this case |
| 15:50.43 | MentalPower | flodding your own network is a fun way to stress test your router |
| 15:51.08 | krka | krka is a national park in croatia or something, so i guess it should be banned aswell |
| 15:51.46 | MentalPower | </randomComment> |
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| 15:52.20 | Hirsute | MentalPower: Heh. |
| 15:52.22 | Hirsute | It's true. |
| 15:53.32 | MentalPower | all six devices on my network pinging the hell out of each other overnight |
| 15:53.43 | MentalPower | the router survived, so its a good router |
| 15:54.26 | Adys | what model? |
| 15:55.41 | zenzelezz | <MentalPower> all six devices on my network pinging the hell out of each other overnight <--- reminds me of that self-DoS Slashdot (or was it all of Sourceforge?) had a while back |
| 15:56.17 | Adys | slashdot |
| 15:56.20 | Adys | a week ago |
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| 15:56.57 | Lopeppeppy | Sibling rivalry is a bitch, MP |
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| 16:09.53 | AckisWork | peanut butter |Jelly| time! peanut butter |Jelly| time! peanut butter |Jelly| time! peanut butter |Jelly| time! |
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| 16:10.35 | Adys | look what you did |
| 16:10.38 | AckisWork | hehe |
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| 16:11.19 | foxlit | QQ time: someone submitted an error report pointing at estrictedExecution.lua:840 and :163 |
| 16:11.24 | foxlit | ^R |
| 16:11.39 | foxlit | There's absolutely nothing identifiable in it :/ |
| 16:11.46 | Fisker- | hahahhahahaha |
| 16:11.50 | Fisker- | how fucking gay is this :D |
| 16:11.56 | Fisker- | speech recognition = lulz |
| 16:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker. *sigh* Grow up, would you? |
| 16:12.26 | Adys | hes only been growing down |
| 16:12.26 | AckisWork | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 16:12.32 | Fisker- | yeah Adys |
| 16:12.36 | Fisker- | That's the curse of being over 18 :( |
| 16:13.05 | Fisker- | Kinda much to expect from an adult to grow up, but i guess the kids just don't know :/ |
| 16:13.51 | Adys | every time you say adult while talking about yourself, I want to throw up on Ackis |
| 16:14.23 | AckisWork | what? why me? |
| 16:14.33 | Fisker- | Adys imagine i keep writing what i just did |
| 16:14.44 | Adys | so you make yourself useful, I just cleaned my floor |
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| 16:29.03 | alestane | Why the ESRB is actually a good thing: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/2/14/ |
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| 16:48.31 | Lopeppeppy | I wonder how much of the thread necro is because the search sucks... |
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| 16:56.20 | alestane | When bad user interfaces attack: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/5/28/ |
| 16:57.26 | nevcairiel | its a simple point'n'click interface |
| 16:57.29 | sacarasc | alestane is from the past. |
| 17:08.59 | Fisker- | :( |
| 17:09.20 | Fisker- | if only paladins could take like 4 or 5 players at a time |
| 17:09.23 | Fisker- | then i could pvp as well :O |
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| 17:24.19 | Cairenn|afk | don't remind me of what, alestane, Adys? |
| 17:24.35 | Adys | if we told you you'd be reminded |
| 17:24.40 | Adys | but |
| 17:24.40 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 17:24.41 | Adys | nice try |
| 17:24.56 | alestane | Name violation policies. |
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| 17:25.06 | Cairenn|afk | and I would care, why? |
| 17:25.27 | |Jelly| | Troll. STATION! |
| 17:25.33 | alestane | Think back to what you were telling me over drinks last BlizzCon. |
| 17:25.42 | Lopeppeppy | Where troll? |
| 17:25.44 | Cairenn|afk | oh, about my Mom's account? |
| 17:25.58 | |Jelly| | The Rate My UI attention whore called me a troll. |
| 17:26.17 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 17:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'd pay good money to get every carbonite post auto-deleted. It's the new annoyance. |
| 17:27.56 | Adys | Whats carbonite? |
| 17:27.57 | Cairenn|afk | what are they bitching about now? |
| 17:28.03 | Adys | was it some QH-like addon? |
| 17:28.28 | Gnarfoz | Carbonite Quest is |
| 17:28.37 | Gnarfoz | Carbonite is much more |
| 17:28.47 | Cairenn|afk | it has a free version and a paid version |
| 17:28.52 | Adys | you sound like the dude in the matrix Gnarfoz |
| 17:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | There's been some glitch in the Carbonite site, the free one expired or something, everyone is for QQ now again about how it's for pay and that's wrong! |
| 17:29.00 | Gnarfoz | Adys: what |
| 17:29.12 | Adys | i see |
| 17:29.17 | Gnarfoz | Carbonite Quest is the QH style thing, it's free |
| 17:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | The free one will be back, it's apparently a glitch.... |
| 17:29.25 | mikma | QQrbonite |
| 17:29.30 | |Jelly| | Oh hey look. My internet is dying ... again. |
| 17:29.31 | Gnarfoz | Carbonite is the full thingy and is "4 pay" :p |
| 17:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | I bet it was a test to see if people would just download the for pay, or blow a whole QQ over it. |
| 17:29.43 | Adys | |Jelly|: why don't you get the new Carbonite Internet |
| 17:29.46 | Adys | i hear it never dies |
| 17:30.10 | |Jelly| | I'd rather the Quest Helper Internet with Pitbull support. |
| 17:30.23 | Adys | The whole of it? |
| 17:30.28 | Adys | anyway, afk food |
| 17:30.37 | |Jelly| | Yes. /ALL/ of it. |
| 17:30.56 | |Jelly| | I love how Charter Communication's main menu has NOTHING about tech support. |
| 17:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 17:31.13 | |Jelly| | I can find out about the transition though. That's useful. |
| 17:31.24 | nevcairiel | You have to hide the access to tech support, or you get more people callign! |
| 17:32.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, I should get my phone number unlisted then? |
| 17:32.43 | Gnarfoz | you can't "unlist" stuff in this day and age :D |
| 17:33.11 | Gnarfoz | actually ":\" would be more appropriate ;D |
| 17:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | Just watch me, baby. FERPA is on my side! |
| 17:33.25 | Lopeppeppy | ..wait, I'm not a student. Nevermind. |
| 17:33.25 | Gnarfoz | whatever thatis |
| 17:33.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 17:34.54 | Lopeppeppy | Privacy of student information. Things like, thou shalt not publish their SSNs. |
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| 17:37.56 | Jelly_ | well. their tech support is worthless. |
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| 17:39.22 | Lopeppeppy | Most tech support is, honestly. I assume you've already rebooted modem/router and computer? |
| 17:39.36 | Jelly_ | yeah |
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| 17:39.49 | Lopeppeppy | Next, shoot them with a shotgun and ask for replacements. :) |
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| 17:41.05 | Jelly_ | they want to send someone out because my signal is apparently too strong. but if it's a cable issue, they'll charge me even though we have a cable going through the apartment cause they refuse to fix one of the jacks that's never worked. |
| 17:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | Your signal is ... too *strong* ? |
| 17:41.47 | Jelly_ | that's what the monkey said |
| 17:43.45 | alestane | Things that must never be made but are nonetheless amusing: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/10/17/ |
| 17:44.23 | durcyn | 2001 was a good vintage. |
| 17:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, I think you got a defective monkey. |
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| 17:45.53 | Jelly_ | they all are |
| 17:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | No... call back and talk to another monkey. |
| 17:46.21 | Lopeppeppy | Some monkey have better poo than others. |
| 17:47.49 | Fisker- | omg you overclocked your cable Jelly_ |
| 17:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 17:48.17 | Jelly_ | but I cooled it!! |
| 17:49.18 | Lopeppeppy | Dumping Doctor Pepper onto it does not count as proper cooling. |
| 17:49.48 | durcyn | you have to ask to talk to the level two monkey |
| 17:49.50 | durcyn | maybe even three |
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| 17:50.03 | Fisker- | http://www.gillette.com/en-us/#/home/FusionGamer/en-US/index.shtml/ <-wait why are athletes advertising a gaming shaver? :o |
| 17:50.20 | Jelly_ | can I just ask for the gorilla? |
| 17:50.49 | Lopeppeppy | You should, Jelly, although i find the ferrets are more customer-friendly |
| 17:51.00 | Jelly_ | Yes it does, Peppy! |
| 17:51.12 | Fisker- | haha |
| 17:51.22 | Fisker- | It's a shame their other shavers don't have power distribution |
| 17:51.28 | Fisker- | "Oww you cut of my head" |
| 17:51.42 | Jelly_ | DrPepper's cooling properties are known around the world! |
| 17:52.01 | Arrowmaster | that site looks like shit with noscript |
| 17:54.01 | Adys | blame noscript, not the site tbh |
| 17:54.37 | Arrowmaster | well they could have atleast had a 'this site requires javascript' message |
| 17:54.39 | Jelly_ | I blame Shirik |
| 17:55.05 | cog|away | heh... mrs cogwheel just dinged 79... by turning in the cooking daily at work... |
| 17:55.16 | Jelly_ | LOL |
| 17:55.38 | Adys | requires flash actually Arrowmaster |
| 17:55.50 | Arrowmaster | requires javascript to load the flash |
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| 17:56.04 | Adys | thats stupid |
| 17:56.34 | Arrowmaster | var so = new SWFObject("/shell/assets/swfs/main.swf", "main", "100%", "100%", "9", "#081220"); |
| 17:56.58 | nevcairiel | yeah alot of people use that because IE used to block raw flash objects |
| 17:57.01 | nevcairiel | like in 5.5 |
| 17:57.15 | Adys | fail |
| 17:57.16 | Adys | double fail |
| 17:57.51 | Jelly_ | IE. kek |
| 17:58.01 | Arrowmaster | but i do agree on feeling insulted that gillette thinks all gamers play is sports games |
| 17:58.41 | Adys | care to explain what a gaming shaver is |
| 17:58.45 | Adys | ... how its different |
| 17:58.53 | Fisker- | It has a fucking microchip |
| 17:58.56 | Fisker- | For power distribution |
| 17:58.59 | nevcairiel | it has gaming in the name |
| 17:59.04 | nevcairiel | thus 20% more pricy |
| 17:59.09 | Arrowmaster | its created by the marketing divison |
| 17:59.10 | Adys | its forged by ancient dwarves? |
| 17:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 17:59.41 | alestane | Seared with mighty runes of shaving. |
| 17:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 18:00.00 | Jelly_ | didn't pa do that? |
| 18:00.10 | Adys | yeah |
| 18:00.13 | Adys | I just remembered |
| 18:00.29 | alestane | Like, yesterday or something. |
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| 18:00.50 | Jelly_ | on my phone where heaven forbid I talk on irc and look at the web |
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| 18:01.02 | Jelly_ | or I'd mood |
| 18:01.04 | Lopeppeppy | *gasp* |
| 18:01.10 | Jelly_ | look too |
| 18:01.36 | Fisker- | http://i44.tinypic.com/2w6c3gx.jpg |
| 18:01.37 | Fisker- | See? |
| 18:01.54 | Fisker- | Microchip and LED's! |
| 18:02.04 | Fisker- | "Why won't it work???" |
| 18:02.08 | Fisker- | "Oh the LED isn't lit" |
| 18:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | That's just pathetic, I'm sorry. Pathetic |
| 18:02.21 | alestane | "Gillette's Best Manual Shave." |
| 18:02.42 | Jelly_ | I has to have!! |
| 18:02.50 | Lopeppeppy | No Jelly. Really. No. |
| 18:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | Go talk to the customer service ferret instead |
| 18:03.09 | alestane | I swear to Glod I should just pitch a bomb out the window next time I'm driving down I-93S out of Boston. |
| 18:03.29 | selckin | fbi is watching you |
| 18:03.30 | Jelly_ | i'd have to leave irc though :( |
| 18:03.46 | Adys | who's glod? |
| 18:04.00 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, I'd pay for that. |
| 18:04.11 | Arrowmaster | if i shaved id just get a damn electric one, least i wouldnt have to make sure i dont cut myself |
| 18:04.20 | Jelly_ | FSM <-- |
| 18:04.21 | Lopeppeppy | electrics can still cut. |
| 18:04.25 | alestane | Them and their "World Shaving Headquarters." |
| 18:04.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah but its a bit harder to cut with them |
| 18:05.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, it's more difficult |
| 18:05.17 | Adys | in french, a shaver and a lawn mower is the same thing |
| 18:05.20 | Adys | yay for french \o/ |
| 18:05.25 | Jelly_ | but but but it's a GAMER razor! |
| 18:05.38 | Arrowmaster | real gamers dont shave |
| 18:05.44 | alestane | In Japanese, a chopping board and a sacrificial altar are the same thing. |
| 18:05.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster: they sit and wait for it to fall down |
| 18:06.05 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 18:06.17 | Jelly_ | all we need now is an extreme gamer platinum edition |
| 18:06.38 | Arrowmaster | i have a beard trimmer for when it starts getting out of hand |
| 18:06.44 | Fisker- | I can't wait for business and ultimate edition Jelly_ |
| 18:07.19 | Jelly_ | oh yaweh! |
| 18:07.42 | Adys | I cant wait for the cheap edition |
| 18:07.56 | Adys | that has 5 blades but only lets you use up to 2 at the same time |
| 18:08.14 | Arrowmaster | cheap edition = the mach3 i got free in the mail a few years ago i still have |
| 18:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | Years... for a razor? *wince* |
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| 18:08.59 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: The handles last more or less indefinitely. |
| 18:09.33 | Arrowmaster | it came with multiple blades |
| 18:09.36 | durcyn | the latch on my free-in-the-mail mach 3 finally gave up after ten years :( |
| 18:09.44 | alestane | I can't usually get more than two months out of a cartridge, though, and if I do, when I change it I wonder why the hell I didn't do that sooner. |
| 18:09.44 | Arrowmaster | and i have a beard, i rarely shave |
| 18:09.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, it's one of those change-blades ones, okay |
| 18:10.12 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: those things are 10 years old now? |
| 18:10.19 | Gnarfoz | http://zensiert.to/media/1/20090301-pizzaburger.jpg . |
| 18:10.20 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: ish. |
| 18:10.31 | Arrowmaster | damn |
| 18:10.53 | durcyn | makes you feel old, doesn't it. |
| 18:10.53 | Arrowmaster | wait that cant be right |
| 18:11.08 | Arrowmaster | i was 12 10 years ago |
| 18:11.11 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: have you seen a message from the folks at Carbonite themselves, or is it just a rumour that it's a glitch, or ? |
| 18:11.21 | alestane | Gnarfoz: Dear gods, my arteries clog just looking at that. |
| 18:11.22 | durcyn | eh? they shipped me one when i was 18. that was 1999. |
| 18:11.45 | Lopeppeppy | Various postings about it on the UI/Macros forum over the last 2 days, Cairenn. I saw a link to the Carbonite forums puporting to be the statement that it was a glitch, but didn't care enough to copy/paste the link. |
| 18:11.53 | Cairenn|afk | okay |
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| 18:11.58 | Cairenn|afk | trying to find it |
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| 18:13.52 | Cairenn|afk | because we're getting a number of emails about it now, asking what's going on, so I need to post something reassuring folks and directing them to the quote from the carbonite folks |
| 18:14.15 | Arrowmaster | whats going on? |
| 18:14.32 | Kirov | Carbonite Quest expired. |
| 18:14.34 | Cairenn|afk | got it |
| 18:14.56 | Arrowmaster | it has an expiration? |
| 18:15.00 | Cairenn|afk | errr, or maybe not? |
| 18:15.32 | Lopeppeppy | I posted in that thread cairenn, search for me. |
| 18:15.54 | Lopeppeppy | Great, I have no posts? WTF, bliz search! |
| 18:16.07 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - the for-pay version does, and along with a couple of other oddities with the latest version of Carbonite Quest available (2.0.3) I'd long guessed a little more of Carbonite pay version made it in to Carbonite Quest. |
| 18:16.33 | alestane | Blizzard's forum search is the biggest "feature" for which I will not even try to make apologies. |
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| 18:16.52 | Arrowmaster | if the free version has an expiration then i might have to do something |
| 18:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn -- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443527945&sid=1 |
| 18:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.carboniteaddon.com/cs/forums/t/2889.aspx |
| 18:17.38 | Arrowmaster | i banned bangerz and all the "Bang! *" addons from curse and one of the reasons was time limited trial addons |
| 18:17.46 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: yeah, that's the one I found :) |
| 18:18.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I didn't see "got it". Peppy has the dumb today. |
| 18:18.13 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - basically when they made this version of Carbonite Quest, they removed the part of the code that requires a specific character and server to work on, but not the time limit. Really, if you go get 2.0.2 it'll all work again. |
| 18:18.18 | Cairenn|afk | no worries luv :) |
| 18:18.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont use either one |
| 18:18.45 | Lopeppeppy | AFK to go visit a sheeples. |
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| 18:22.25 | Arrowmaster | well i fixed the issue on curse |
| 18:22.48 | Arrowmaster | i deleted 2.03 |
| 18:23.29 | Arrowmaster | "Expired trial version. Don't make future versions time limited or the entire project may be removed from Curse." |
| 18:23.46 | Cairenn|afk | it isn't time limited, it's a bug ^^^ |
| 18:24.14 | Arrowmaster | if its telling people its time limited i dont care |
| 18:24.28 | Kirov | It's a bug that'll get them removed. heh |
| 18:24.29 | Arrowmaster | people are stupid |
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| 18:29.02 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dog_rut.jpg |
| 18:29.46 | jaxdahl | wut |
| 18:29.54 | jaxdahl | bubble gum penis? |
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| 18:31.43 | Lunessa | station. /grump |
| 18:32.20 | Arrowmaster | that dog doesnt look happy |
| 18:33.07 | Lunessa | no internet access at home. Comcast guy didn't show this morning, but they promise me he will be there tomorrow morning. |
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| 18:56.14 | Tuller | hrm, maybe I'm not in a coding mood |
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| 18:58.07 | Shirik | I thought the whole point of one process per tab in chrome was that so tabs can't crash each other |
| 18:59.54 | jnwhiteh | it is? |
| 19:01.44 | Adys | its not "for" that, its an advantage of it |
| 19:01.47 | Legorol | can't a process crash the entire application? |
| 19:02.17 | Adys | if the app crashes, the app crashes |
| 19:03.05 | Shirik | well |
| 19:03.05 | Shirik | in theory a process is an application |
| 19:03.05 | Legorol | fairly nuff |
| 19:03.05 | Legorol | what i'm trying to say is: |
| 19:03.10 | Shirik | This isn't unix where apps fork into 5 million processes |
| 19:03.23 | Legorol | separate processes may still share a number of resources, like memory, semaphores, handles etc., no? |
| 19:03.37 | Shirik | That's the wierdest part to me |
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| 19:03.58 | Legorol | depends on implementation, doesn't it? |
| 19:04.12 | Shirik | Google must be doing some kind of magic, because as far as I'm aware, the entire difference between a thread and a process in Windows is separate memory space and handles |
| 19:04.23 | Dagmar | You've got a rather bad impression of how "unix apps" work |
| 19:04.28 | Shirik | That was a joke Dagmar |
| 19:04.29 | Legorol | was about to bring up process vs. thread |
| 19:04.37 | Dagmar | Okay |
| 19:05.12 | Legorol | but yes Shirik, afaik that's how it works too, although processes can still communicate with each other, therefore influence each other, therefore crash each other |
| 19:05.20 | Shirik | true |
| 19:06.01 | Legorol | extreme hypothetical example: even if each tab is handled by a process completely separate from each other in address space, handles etc., they still need to exchange data about for example where to draw on the screen the little tab at the top |
| 19:06.13 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:06.30 | Legorol | one process could try and claim he is drawing at -100 and confuse the rest |
| 19:06.49 | Legorol | (although i doubt it's that simple to crash the complete app) |
| 19:07.19 | Dagmar | Eh? You talking abotu Google Chrome? |
| 19:07.50 | Legorol | or anything else |
| 19:08.07 | Dagmar | Unless I've misunderstood what they've been saying, only the master process needs to worry about drawing the tabs |
| 19:08.22 | Shirik | Dagmar: He's just giving random examples of how one process could crash another |
| 19:08.28 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, the idea is that you have a central relatively-simple coordinator that manages the UI framework, then passes the appropriate in-tab drawing info to the child processes |
| 19:08.46 | ZorbaBeta | that bit has a carefully-designed and carefully-tested interface such that the child processes cannot crash the coordinator |
| 19:08.50 | Legorol | that's all true, all i'm saying is that ther4e is still data exchange |
| 19:09.00 | Legorol | the processes don't live in an isolated universe |
| 19:09.13 | ZorbaBeta | true, but "data exchange" doesn't mean that process A can necessarily crash process B |
| 19:09.29 | ZorbaBeta | if process B is designed properly, then it should be immune from that |
| 19:09.29 | Legorol | i am not saying it can, i'm saying it might be able to |
| 19:09.34 | Legorol | absolutely |
| 19:09.39 | Dagmar | Shirik: *usually* what happens is a tainted or broken struct gets passed |
| 19:09.42 | Legorol | but there can always be bugs, buffer overflows etc |
| 19:09.49 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I think it's more of a gradual process rather than "this fixes everything" |
| 19:10.09 | Legorol | there are always bugs, you just try to reduce their number :) |
| 19:10.15 | Dagmar | ...but tehre's lots of other exciting things that can go wrong, like something trying to open a dynamic library with symbols which match an already called lib |
| 19:10.17 | ZorbaBeta | but it does mean that it only kills all your tabs if there's a bug in the much-smaller coordinator, rather than a bug in any plugin or the far more complicated rendering code :) |
| 19:14.54 | Tuller | hrm... |
| 19:16.11 | Tuller | hurray unexpected fallout patch |
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| 19:19.27 | Lunessa | Oh noes. Tuller is lost to Fallout 3. /wrsts |
| 19:19.45 | Tuller | i've had the game since before wrath was out :P |
| 19:19.57 | Tuller | I played for around a week or so, then got wrath :P |
| 19:20.24 | Tuller | but yes, my biggest complaint about wow is that it prevents me from playing other games :P |
| 19:20.29 | Hjalte | Fallout is pro |
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| 19:20.39 | Lunessa | Tuller, it's all good man. I'm just giving you grief, 'cause Fallout 3 is the only game I've seen that successfully replaced WoW for some guildees. |
| 19:20.43 | Dagmar | You're not allowed to shoot little kids |
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| 19:21.41 | Dagmar | ALl these games that talk about open-ended sandboxes always seem to go out of their way from preventing people from doing anythging that might wind up on YouTube as "evil" |
| 19:22.03 | Dagmar | But you know, in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, sometimes kids get shot and it's nobody's fault |
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| 19:23.39 | durcyn | bring back the fallout2 Child Killer "perk", eh? |
| 19:23.49 | Dagmar | There was a perk? |
| 19:23.56 | Tuller | actually the main problem I ever have with a bethesda game is the lack of balance |
| 19:24.09 | Dagmar | I just tend to express my irritation with certain NPCs by pulling the trigger a few times. |
| 19:24.20 | durcyn | well, not perk, but you got a permanent karma modifier from it |
| 19:24.49 | Dagmar | Yeah but Karma is easy |
| 19:25.01 | Tuller | at that point, I end up playing the role of, "person who does not abuse the system to make myself overpowered" |
| 19:25.02 | Dagmar | Getting lowered karma in that game is a bit harder |
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| 19:26.40 | durcyn | Tuller: balance in a single player game be damned, i disliked the linear ending. the old black isle games had different results for each area based on how much you did of what. 3 is just "hey it's over bye" |
| 19:27.28 | Dagmar | Well, you *are* dead at the end </spoiler> |
| 19:27.53 | Dagmar | ...although personally I think I had enough Rad-X on me to make it through |
| 19:28.36 | Lunessa | Isn't there a game where you get to shoot the kids? The "undersea city post apocalypse" game who's name escapes me? |
| 19:28.42 | durcyn | be that as it may, one of the best parts of fallout 1 and 2 was seeing how your choices affected the rest of the world, rather than getting X experience points and moving on |
| 19:28.45 | durcyn | Lunessa: Bioshock |
| 19:28.50 | Lunessa | That's the one. |
| 19:29.35 | Dagmar | durcyn: Well, you may have noticed more than a passing resemblance to Oblivion |
| 19:29.52 | durcyn | Dagmar: and that's what depresses me. bring back Interplay. |
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| 19:31.20 | Lunessa | Well, since I have no internet access tonight, I guess my sorry ass will be playing a lot of Civ Iv |
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| 19:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats okay, because civ is awesome |
| 19:33.00 | Lunessa | Yes, yes it is. |
| 19:33.22 | Lunessa | I've been losing weekends to Civ in one form or another since like '91. |
| 19:33.45 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey, Lunessa. |
| 19:33.48 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. i've got an on-again-off-again relationship with that game >.> |
| 19:34.11 | Lunessa | Civ has been more faithful than my last 8 girlfriends. |
| 19:34.41 | NightHawkTheSane | probably more interesting than most of them too |
| 19:35.24 | Lunessa | No, Civ can't give me sex. *shrug* |
| 19:36.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ...yet. |
| 19:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sex /= faithfulness |
| 19:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd also say sex != interesting, but meh :P |
| 19:37.11 | durcyn | just wait, there'll be a sid meier vinyl love doll one of these days. |
| 19:37.32 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I didn't say it was. Only that sex is, and probably always will be, more interesting than Civ or any other computer game. |
| 19:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | True, if it's done right it is. |
| 19:38.00 | Lunessa | durcyn: Yeah, but chances are it will be a doll of Sid Meier. *shudder* |
| 19:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | Alpha Centauri has always been my favorite |
| 19:39.24 | Pizik_afk | I loved the unit building/customisation |
| 19:39.51 | Lunessa | I'm ashamed to admit I have a release-day copy of Alpha C that I've never played. |
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| 19:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | *gasp* |
| 19:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa! |
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| 19:45.56 | Lunessa | That's not exactly the way I like to make women gasp, but whatever works I guess. |
| 19:47.00 | Lopeppeppy | :P Bad monkey |
| 19:50.57 | Lunessa | Code monkey, bad monkey, naughty monkey - it's all the same to me. |
| 19:51.40 | Lopeppeppy | Darn. |
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| 19:53.17 | Lunessa | Sex Monkey on the other hand, is a whole other barrel. |
| 19:54.30 | Lopeppeppy | Those have barrels? |
| 19:56.21 | Lunessa | Only if they're doing it right. |
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| 19:57.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Okay. I have the dumb today, I can't picture that. |
| 20:00.27 | Lopeppeppy | ACKIS! |
| 20:00.38 | Lopeppeppy | Take it back or suffer the wrath. *RAWR* |
| 20:00.50 | AckisWork | Lunessa made me do it! |
| 20:01.09 | ccox | Cairenn!! |
| 20:01.17 | Cairenn | ccox: !!! |
| 20:01.38 | Cairenn | what's up luv? |
| 20:01.44 | Cairenn | AckisWork: lol |
| 20:03.48 | ccox | a lovely cold (went around the office), new Apple hardware (I need to upgrade), and um, not much else |
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| 20:05.32 | ccox | What's up with you? |
| 20:06.46 | Cairenn | ummm, s squared, d squared |
| 20:07.11 | Cairenn | my life is pretty boring :p |
| 20:07.11 | AckisWork | speaking of squared, happy square day |
| 20:07.13 | Lunessa | Cairenn: You came, you saw, it wasn't any big deal? |
| 20:07.24 | Cairenn | Lunessa: heh, yeah, that sums it up pretty well too |
| 20:09.31 | ccox | 030309 -- yep, I almost forgot about that |
| 20:15.40 | alestane | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/10/11/ if only. |
| 20:16.13 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 20:18.22 | AckisWork | alestane: I DON'T GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:18.36 | NeoTron | friend at the end ftw |
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| 20:29.06 | leethal | just a short little question: are there any libraries out there that makes it easy to create minimap icons that are draggable and such? |
| 20:29.26 | durcyn | leethal: LDB + LibDBIcon-1.0 |
| 20:29.38 | leethal | danke! |
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| 20:29.51 | durcyn | it's specifically for databroker feeds though, so YMMV |
| 20:31.00 | Cairenn | this is a really old one from gello, no idea if it still works any more or not: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4686-MyMinimapButton.html |
| 20:31.21 | Tekkub | you'd be better off with LDB though ^^ |
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| 20:35.00 | Fisker- | paladins should be immortal |
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| 20:35.14 | Fisker- | isn't that right kd3? |
| 20:35.32 | leethal | LDB = LibDataBroker, right? Which is a generic API to display things on the minimap or titan or fubar or whatever? |
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| 20:36.10 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins ARE immortal, fool. |
| 20:36.57 | alestane | At least until they run out of mana. |
| 20:37.18 | NeoTron | leethal: pretty much yes |
| 20:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | We still are. You just can't see it. It's like the Jedi trick. |
| 20:37.42 | NeoTron | LDB+LibDBIcon-1.0 is a very simple combo to make a minimap icon for sure |
| 20:39.10 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I think you misspelled "immortal fools" |
| 20:40.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|AFK, batrick: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=267842#post267842 guessing you guys might know core cause of that? |
| 20:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | maybe, zenzelezz! |
| 20:41.08 | Dagmar | User has entirely too many addons |
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| 20:46.06 | brainomite | i'd like to take a stab at writing my own addon can someone point me to a good starter guide to the wow lua& xml format (i program already in other languages) sorry if this is the wrong place to ask |
| 20:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:46.08 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 20:46.11 | NeoTron | ~pil |
| 20:46.12 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:46.28 | brainomite | ty |
| 20:46.30 | zenzelezz | and if you still need help after that, also try the wowwiki |
| 20:46.43 | zenzelezz | as long as you do your basic research, you're also welcome to ask for help here |
| 20:46.58 | brainomite | yeh i was on wowwiki, it seems to be a good reference guide, but i need a lil bit more meat to get me started |
| 20:46.59 | AckisWork | zenzelezz: where is anykey? |
| 20:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | But do the basic research first. :) |
| 20:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | There are links to other things in a sticky on the UI/Macros forum as well. |
| 20:47.23 | brainomite | i plan too (wowiki's examples are from 2.4 thats y i thought i'd ask |
| 20:47.44 | zenzelezz | there's not been any changed since 2.4 that matter for getting started; only for advanced stuff |
| 20:47.49 | zenzelezz | *changes |
| 20:47.50 | brainomite | ah |
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| 20:48.27 | ccox | you can also get hints by reading the Lua and XML source of other addons, or the XML source for Blizzard's UI code |
| 20:48.50 | zenzelezz | yup. Have a look at some small addons |
| 20:49.07 | Hirsute | Anyone an expert (or at least very well read) on the GPL? |
| 20:49.24 | brainomite | lol i was looking at some, but i wound up getting overwhelmed |
| 20:49.26 | Dagmar | REad it a few hundred times |
| 20:49.43 | Dagmar | Maybe if you just asked the question |
| 20:49.58 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Working on it. |
| 20:50.09 | ccox | brainomite: start with examples and small addons, just to learn LUA |
| 20:50.21 | ccox | brainomite: then figure out what you want to accomplish, and maybe look at something similar |
| 20:50.22 | krka | ccox: I think you meant to say Lua there. ^_^ |
| 20:50.33 | Hirsute | Okay. So, I contribute to an addon that is released under the GPL. I have a script that parses information from one file, changes the format so that it's valid lua, and writes it into the source of one of the addon files. |
| 20:50.42 | ccox | krka: yes, I did |
| 20:50.55 | ccox | krka: hang on while I kill the autocompletion code in this IRC client |
| 20:51.16 | Hirsute | To comply with the GPL, is there any requirement for me to distribute or make available my parsing script or the data (which is all included in the source of the addon, just in different format) which I parse to produce the source? |
| 20:52.01 | ccox | Hirsute: in this case, it isn't technically even used to produce the source - but to produce the data tables |
| 20:52.25 | ccox | Hirsute: since the original data is covered by a copyright and not GPLd, we cannot distribute that |
| 20:52.27 | brainomite | thank you guys! |
| 20:52.34 | Hirsute | To be clear, all the parsing script does is format the data from the csv I receive into lua syntax to form data tables, that are plain-text and easily readable. |
| 20:52.51 | Hirsute | ccox: I know, and I think you and I are on the same page, just wanted to make sure there wasn't something I was missing. |
| 20:53.26 | ccox | Hirsute: the script is debatable, but not directly covered by the GPL |
| 20:53.38 | ccox | Hirsute: the data is definitely not covered by the GPL |
| 20:54.50 | Hirsute | *nod* Thanks for the confirmation, ccox. Like I said, I was fairly certain that was the case, but wanted to double check |
| 20:54.51 | ccox | Hirsute: asking for the script is sort of like asking for a copy of the dev tools used to build the program (editor, compiler, etc.) |
| 20:54.59 | ccox | well, I'm not a lawyer |
| 20:55.05 | ccox | nor do I think like RMS |
| 20:55.15 | Dagmar | Hirsuite: No such requirement exists. |
| 20:55.26 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Thanks! |
| 20:55.32 | Dagmar | If it did, people would have to produce the source for the IDE they used to develop code. |
| 20:55.49 | Hirsute | Exactly my thinking, I just wanted to make sure. |
| 20:56.06 | Dagmar | ...which would pose a bit of a problem consider the Visual C# Express Edition licence |
| 20:56.24 | ccox | I'd rather not consider that, shudder |
| 21:01.51 | AbsolutRayne | Yay, I get to watch my Guild die today! |
| 21:02.54 | Lopeppeppy | ... this is good? |
| 21:04.03 | Dagmar | Hey if he can login, it's good |
| 21:04.24 | Dagmar | I've been getting an eye-opening look at the CS end of things today. |
| 21:05.26 | ccox | um, that could be taken a few ways depending on the context for "CS" |
| 21:05.30 | Dagmar | Short version: If you reactivate an account that's been unpaid for awhile, for god's sake wait at least a week to change the password |
| 21:06.10 | Dagmar | I'm astonished to see that the front-line customer service people will actually make things up just so they have some kind of answer to give |
| 21:06.24 | ccox | yeah, tell me about it |
| 21:06.38 | ccox | sometimes they don't even bother to check their list of known problems |
| 21:06.54 | ccox | and it is worst for outsourced customer service |
| 21:07.12 | Dagmar | My coworker has an account, and one of his kids also has an account which had lay fallow for awhile, so Sunday night he reactivates the account, changes the password, and starts dual boxing |
| 21:07.40 | Dagmar | Next morning he gets an email saying the account was temporarily suspended because of advertising |
| 21:07.42 | batrick | Arrowmaster: one of the .lua files (likely in SavedVariables) has too many constants in the function |
| 21:07.49 | Dagmar | Later in the day it goes to "permanently". |
| 21:08.04 | batrick | no real way around that if it is in savedVariables |
| 21:08.14 | batrick | other than breaking up your addon into smaller addons |
| 21:09.06 | batrick | !lua 2^16 |
| 21:09.06 | batbot | batrick: > 65536 |
| 21:09.18 | batrick | that's the number of constants you can have in a function |
| 21:09.47 | kneeki | !lua 9000^0 |
| 21:09.47 | batbot | kneeki: > 1 |
| 21:10.31 | Lopeppeppy | Advertising? Huh. |
| 21:10.41 | Lunessa | That's a lot. Someone must have a very poorly-written function to need more than 2^16 constants in a single function. |
| 21:10.57 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: All 3 of my Officer Healers |
| 21:10.59 | AbsolutRayne | Gone |
| 21:11.02 | batrick | saved variables can eat up a lot of constants P |
| 21:11.05 | batrick | :P ** |
| 21:11.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, AbsolutRayne. *hugs* |
| 21:11.56 | batrick | especially since, if I remember right, the saved variables generator explicitly puts each array key, using up a constant for each key since Lua assumes it goes in the hash part of the table |
| 21:11.57 | ccox | Lunessa: nope, Auctioneer used to hit that limit |
| 21:12.18 | Lunessa | ccox: Yeah, I could see that. |
| 21:19.55 | kd3 | oh yah, I remember... "Your Auctioneer SV file is 85% full! Toss some old data, damn it!" |
| 21:20.52 | Dagmar | That thing can get full? |
| 21:20.52 | sacarasc | Never got over 40% myself. |
| 21:21.54 | Lunessa | Oh, back in the day I used to fill it routinely. I was obsessed with getting "a complete picture of the marketplace" until I realized "this way madness lies." |
| 21:22.08 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:22.11 | batrick | Anyone know if the SavedVariables files explicly put each array key e.g. {[1] = "blah", [2] = "foo"} instead of {"blah", "foo"}? |
| 21:22.25 | Dagmar | I run snapshots on it twice a day, is that bad? |
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| 21:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, I take my brokened brain home now. |
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| 21:22.43 | Dagmar | I didn't know it could "fill up" |
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| 21:23.05 | Dagmar | Of course, now there'll probably be market shifts on my server because I finally got the chopper |
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| 21:26.38 | Shirik | hi |
| 21:26.43 | leethal | shouldn't SetText and Show() on GameTooltip be sufficient to display it? |
| 21:26.48 | leethal | nothing seems to happen when I do that |
| 21:28.31 | alestane | I don't think you use SetText directly on tooltips, you use it on their built-in text strings. Not much of a tooltip expert. |
| 21:29.15 | leethal | I just want to show a text in the GameTooltip when hovering one of my buttons |
| 21:29.20 | leethal | doesn't have to follow the mouse or anything |
| 21:31.27 | leethal | hmm, SetOwner(myframe) and then SetText seems to cut it |
| 21:31.37 | alestane | Okay, you can just set its text. But you may also have to set its owner. |
| 21:36.30 | leethal | hmm, how do you get the current latency? None of the functions I can find in the API refers to lag or latency |
| 21:37.27 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetNetStats ? |
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| 21:38.02 | leethal | yay |
| 21:47.57 | leethal | are there any generic/blank minimap textures in the game? I only need to set the color of the icon with something like SetVertexColor. |
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| 22:02.44 | kd3 | whee, found the new ptr build number. let's see how big it is |
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| 22:06.24 | kd3 | 50 megs and counting... >.> |
| 22:06.40 | Fisker- | must've been hard kd3 |
| 22:06.46 | Fisker- | PTR 3.1.0 - Build 9637 |
| 22:06.46 | Fisker- | by Boubouille on March 03, 2009, 09:43:15 PM |
| 22:07.07 | ccox | 109 Meg first, now downloading 735 Meg |
| 22:07.10 | kd3 | heh, he's quicker than usual |
| 22:07.22 | Dagmar | Yay for paid rapidshare accounts |
| 22:07.26 | Bibi | what are you implying kd3 ???? |
| 22:07.26 | Bibi | :( |
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| 22:07.40 | Bibi | should I call you a nasty bitch now or do you want a chance to explain yourself? |
| 22:07.43 | NightHawkTheSane | he's saying you're slower than a short bus. :P |
| 22:07.48 | Bibi | nasty bitch. |
| 22:07.52 | kd3 | lol |
| 22:08.00 | Dagmar | The bus isn't slow, the passengers are. |
| 22:08.47 | Aqua | i log on to view a nasty bitch comment, this is has got to be interesting |
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| 22:09.01 | NightHawkTheSane | not terribly |
| 22:09.10 | durcyn | it's just a frenchman, nothing exciting. |
| 22:09.17 | Aqua | oooo nevermind |
| 22:09.36 | Aqua | once you go french, you'll never feel clean again.. |
| 22:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | france is like europe's short bus. |
| 22:10.07 | Aqua | i have some friend that live in the UK, they always comment how france is such a dirty country |
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| 22:10.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ~comfort Bibi |
| 22:10.30 | purl | There, there, Bibi. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:11.20 | kd3 | sigh. still... "Please enable JavaScript" in the patch notes |
| 22:12.39 | Aqua | j/k |
| 22:12.42 | Fisker- | where's my pala buffs? |
| 22:13.14 | Gnarfoz | Aqua: what would he do with a rapper? :O |
| 22:13.22 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: here. *buffs bofail* |
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| 22:13.44 | Aqua | that statement had more humour before the rapper |
| 22:13.53 | Gnarfoz | no way |
| 22:14.04 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn|afk: pokies |
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| 22:17.00 | kd3 | emails away! |
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| 22:18.22 | Fisker- | you didn't send one for me :( |
| 22:19.16 | ZorbaBeta | haha, wow. there's a guy in /2 threatening to call the police for cyberbullying because we keep pointing out that he can't spell |
| 22:19.16 | jaxdahl | where the heck did you get the patch |
| 22:19.25 | kd3 | magic and trickeration |
| 22:19.41 | jaxdahl | launcher isn't downloading anything |
| 22:24.13 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Use lots of big words |
| 22:24.23 | Dagmar | Call him an ignorant homosapien. :) |
| 22:26.25 | ZorbaBeta | he said he was going to call the police, but then he came back a few minutes later and said we were all on ignore |
| 22:26.28 | ZorbaBeta | so I'm hoping the police laughed at him |
| 22:26.39 | Dagmar | Probably his mother told him to ignore them |
| 22:29.04 | Esamynn | ZorbaBeta: did you whisper him to find out if you're actually on ignore? |
| 22:30.36 | ZorbaBeta | it's the third time he's "put me on ignore" so far, so I didn't really bother |
| 22:30.54 | ZorbaBeta | if he did, he'll be taking me off soon enough anyway, I suppose :P |
| 22:31.39 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:33.02 | kd3 | yes! the uldar map got added! |
| 22:35.13 | NeoTron | nice |
| 22:35.34 | jaxdahl | kd3, check this out: http://jax2.zenblue.net/ulduar_vect.png |
| 22:35.38 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ulduar_(instance)#Geography |
| 22:36.14 | kd3 | neat. I probable should've drawn mine using vectors |
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| 22:36.15 | jaxdahl | ah i see you already made a vector map |
| 22:36.25 | jaxdahl | oh it's not vector? |
| 22:36.31 | kd3 | nope |
| 22:36.55 | jaxdahl | i also started a little work on the inner one |
| 22:37.00 | jaxdahl | ulduar_vect2.png |
| 22:42.54 | jaxdahl | kd3, did yogg saron get 2 skulls? |
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| 22:43.32 | kd3 | his only skull should be in the descent |
| 22:43.32 | kd3 | I think there's a boss in front of freya's chamber |
| 22:43.32 | jaxdahl | kd3, what's the skull before freya's area |
| 22:43.33 | jaxdahl | hmm |
| 22:43.45 | jaxdahl | aminya something or other? |
| 22:43.52 | kd3 | dunno |
| 22:44.08 | jaxdahl | some people thought it would be just before the descent into madness |
| 22:45.17 | kd3 | I'm just wondering how we get from the antechamber to the conservatory area. port from one of the bosses? |
| 22:45.26 | kd3 | or maybe the purple boss builds a bridge? |
| 22:46.00 | Esamynn | magic! |
| 22:46.07 | Esamynn | oh wait... |
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| 22:55.50 | jaxdahl | kd3, if you look at his death animation |
| 22:55.53 | jaxdahl | it's obvious |
| 22:57.32 | Dagmar | That he's bad at acting? |
| 22:57.47 | kd3 | ho, they added voiceovers to the event at balagarde in icecrown |
| 22:58.12 | Dagmar | Are you talking about "Screaming Point"? |
| 22:58.46 | foxlit | the who now? |
| 22:59.11 | kd3 | my gods... this ptr build is loregasmic with some of the audio files they included. |
| 22:59.43 | Dagmar | The flight point where after you've done the quest that takes it to it's last phase, there's just these people running around screaming |
| 22:59.59 | Dagmar | You fly through there and hear "AH AHH AHHHHHHHH!" |
| 23:00.03 | kd3 | no |
| 23:00.19 | foxlit | wrath gate? |
| 23:00.27 | kd3 | but yeah, I hate flying into fordragon hold now after the wrathgate cinematic |
| 23:00.40 | foxlit | kd3: the worst part is that you can't mount up in there |
| 23:00.46 | foxlit | DAMN YOU, SERENITY, DAMN YOU :) |
| 23:01.00 | kd3 | I can. I feel sorry for the locks, pallies and dks though |
| 23:01.30 | Dagmar | Never feel sorry for DKs |
| 23:01.54 | Dagmar | Any DK who uses the term "faceroll" in reference to another class needs a long, introspective look. |
| 23:02.52 | kd3 | and the ptr's back up, yay |
| 23:02.56 | Dashkal | kd3: _that_ was a definite motivator for my purchase of the red drake, right there |
| 23:03.24 | Dashkal | Mount spells need to be in the same category as normal mounts... |
| 23:03.39 | foxlit | It's the same companion summon :/ |
| 23:03.55 | foxlit | If those have some sort of mechanic flag, it'd be odd |
| 23:03.57 | Dashkal | to the API. To the game I guess it just redirects to the spell |
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| 23:04.14 | Dashkal | http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1787 (Once an Orphan...) Gone! *dance* |
| 23:04.39 | foxlit | does the carbonate thread keep getting moved around the forums? |
| 23:04.47 | foxlit | s/at/it/ |
| 23:05.36 | Codayus | Dashkal: Hmm, I don't see the issue. |
| 23:05.53 | foxlit | "too mean" |
| 23:06.06 | Codayus | Heh |
| 23:06.15 | Dashkal | Codayus: I was intending on being a bit of an ass with that one and desummoning my orphan when I knew I was gonna die |
| 23:06.27 | foxlit | stunstunstun! |
| 23:06.38 | Dashkal | racial/desummon/sit |
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| 23:07.12 | Dashkal | or pop IBF if I figured surviving would help the team, but either way I'd want my orphan gone to deny them their achievement a little longer |
| 23:07.19 | Codayus | Meh, might be funny, but the achievement overall will be trivial. |
| 23:07.27 | Dashkal | So yeah, I'm glad the thing is going :p |
| 23:07.52 | Dagmar | WEll, after the press reaction to the "torture" quest, I can imagine there'd be busybodies complainign about exposing virtual orphans to violence. |
| 23:08.27 | Codayus | Since there's an achievement to have the orphan out while doing some BG goals, so I'm guessing one AV should be enough... |
| 23:09.10 | Dashkal | Whoa: Gift of the Naaru now also removes 2 harmful magic effects from the friendly target. |
| 23:09.10 | Codayus | Heh, maybe. |
| 23:09.17 | AckisWork | rawr ackis smash rawr |
| 23:09.17 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 23:09.43 | knigitz | I have a problem, "if(IsAddOnLoaded("WIM")) <truncated code> end" is in my core.lua for MiniChat, I'm trying to have <truncated code> execute if the addon AIM is loaded. It's not working - I have no idea why. :( |
| 23:10.04 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Where are you reading this? The EU PTR notes? |
| 23:10.12 | Dashkal | Top post: http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 23:10.36 | AckisWork | Dashkal: why is htat bad? |
| 23:10.46 | Codayus | Data mined, so take with a grain of salt. Probably reflects what the current build does, may not reflect what bliz meant it to do... |
| 23:10.53 | Dagmar | Ahh... thanks |
| 23:10.55 | Dashkal | AckisWork: not bad, per se, just whoa. I didn't expect a dispel mechanic on a racial |
| 23:11.03 | NeoTron | more NA testing I can't participate in |
| 23:11.07 | NeoTron | damn timezones |
| 23:11.22 | AckisWork | Dashkal: errr meant 16:04Dashkalhttp://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1787 (Once an Orphan...) Gone! *dance* |
| 23:11.27 | Dashkal | and yes, do take it with a grain of salt. The "Undocumented Changes" reflect the build at hand, which can easily just be a dev experimenting |
| 23:11.48 | Dashkal | AckisWork: follow the discussion immediately afterwords. I was planning on being an ass, I'm happy that my little stunt won't work anymore |
| 23:12.07 | Dagmar | Wow that's a slap in the face... Stoneform no longer providing immunities? |
| 23:12.15 | Dagmar | YEah those racial changes can't be right |
| 23:12.20 | AckisWork | Dashkal: oh :P |
| 23:12.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh sexy, take away the last fun differences. |
| 23:13.07 | Dashkal | I'm really surprised at that nerf. How stoneform is OP and EMfH isn't I don't get |
| 23:13.08 | Dagmar | Hopefully the bit about 15% haste actually applies correctly now |
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| 23:13.20 | NeoTron | so I'm curious, do you see your location on the map while in an instance now? |
| 23:13.22 | Codayus | Well, everyone knows that Bliz loves to damn space aliens; they always get crazy OP racials. But.... |
| 23:13.23 | NeoTron | on PTR I mnea |
| 23:13.26 | Dagmar | I noticed the 1.7s steady shots *real* quick the other day |
| 23:13.53 | Dashkal | Codayus: sarcasm? Cause I never found that gift as it was to be all that useful at high levels of stamina |
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| 23:14.27 | Codayus | *cough* 1% hit aura? And until the priest racial levelling, that was completely nuts... |
| 23:14.34 | Dashkal | tha aura is nice, but I' |
| 23:14.45 | Dashkal | I'm in a casual guild. Since I can't depend on 100% attendance, it's useless to me |
| 23:14.59 | pnorman | Oh, what I'd give for 1% hit |
| 23:15.01 | foxlit | what, you can't guarantee one blue space alien a day? |
| 23:15.15 | Dashkal | Not always. Sometimes the group lacks the goat |
| 23:15.24 | pnorman | 10s or 25s? |
| 23:15.27 | Dashkal | 10 |
| 23:15.40 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Yeah well, 1% isn't a significant difference by most people's standards anyway |
| 23:15.57 | Lopeppeppy | I have no space aliens. I want one. |
| 23:16.03 | pnorman | Ya, know what you mean. I can't assume replenishment or 3% hit buff on my 10s |
| 23:16.36 | Codayus | Ouch |
| 23:16.41 | Dashkal | So since I can't depend on these things, I hit cap myself. Makes the racial a non-issue for me. Now if I were the goat, I'd rather like that :p |
| 23:16.47 | Codayus | Lacking replenishment really sucks. |
| 23:16.47 | Lunessa | I can always ensure the presence of a blue space goat alien squid face in any raid I attend. |
| 23:16.49 | Dashkal | But I like Diplomacy and EMfH better |
| 23:16.59 | Lopeppeppy | Nooo, Lunessa, dont' do it! |
| 23:17.09 | Dashkal | Diplomacy == Best racial in the game :p |
| 23:17.15 | pnorman | I'm an ele shaman, so no replenishment isn't too bad for me - just means I have to keep up on thunderstorm and water shield |
| 23:17.20 | Lunessa | Every Man for Himself doesn't suck either |
| 23:17.37 | Dashkal | I make much more use of that in pve than I expected. |
| 23:17.40 | Esamynn | Shadowmeld FTW!!! |
| 23:17.51 | Esamynn | best racial, ever |
| 23:17.53 | Lopeppeppy | Are they nerfing diplomacy then? |
| 23:17.58 | Dashkal | lol, I sure hope not |
| 23:18.09 | Dashkal | Not a combat racial anyway, so it's probably safe |
| 23:18.12 | pnorman | Anyways, anyone ever used Git for version control with WOW addons? |
| 23:18.25 | Dashkal | pnorman: Experimenting, yeah |
| 23:18.56 | Dashkal | I helped test the git support on CF |
| 23:20.14 | Pneumatus | quite a few of the guys in wowace use it |
| 23:26.44 | pnorman | Do you use the addon directory as your git repo, or do it elsewhere and download a copy to the wow folder? |
| 23:27.18 | foxlit | the addon directory |
| 23:32.04 | Dagmar | There's no real reason to not use the addon folder |
| 23:32.22 | kd3 | holy crap. the quest tracking window now has a "use the quest item" button |
| 23:32.42 | Esamynn | wait, what? |
| 23:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: wait, what? >.> |
| 23:33.06 | Esamynn | you mean, the default ui no longer makes you search your bags? |
| 23:33.10 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:33.11 | Dagmar | I guess that could be handy |
| 23:33.21 | Esamynn | blasphemy!!! |
| 23:33.24 | NightHawkTheSane | wonder how moddable that is |
| 23:33.37 | kd3 | do a quest like 'the stories dead men tell' on the ptr. get close to a quest objective and the quest tracker will show the icon of the quest icon you need to use |
| 23:33.40 | Dagmar | It probably facilitates a magic "DO EET" button |
| 23:33.41 | kd3 | click the button |
| 23:33.56 | foxlit | meh, I'm so out of business |
| 23:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Doooooo eeeeeet |
| 23:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you so are. |
| 23:34.12 | Esamynn | ~laugh foxlit |
| 23:34.13 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at foxlit...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 23:34.46 | Cairenn|afk | Gnarfoz: hmm? |
| 23:35.03 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn|afk: who's that quote in the topic from? :> |
| 23:35.16 | Gnarfoz | (asking you since /topic says you touched it last) |
| 23:35.27 | Cairenn | Gnarfoz: no idea, random quote |
| 23:35.44 | Gnarfoz | hmm too bad, thanks though |
| 23:35.47 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:37.42 | Cairenn | ah, actually, you know what, I just found the reference |
| 23:37.47 | Cairenn | Chris Pirillo |
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| 23:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. fitting |
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| 23:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | *cheers* |
| 23:45.03 | Lopeppeppy | Great googly moogly! |
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| 23:55.17 | foxlit | escapist articles are wow-related |
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