| 00:00.12 | |Jelly| | Cog, have I told you lately that I love you? |
| 00:00.41 | cog|work | No... i wasn't able to please you for ~ a year... |
| 00:00.44 | cog|work | :P |
| 00:00.46 | Shirik | Have I told you lately that I love you |
| 00:00.51 | |Jelly| | Well, you've made up for it entirely. |
| 00:00.52 | Shirik | Have I told you lately how I feel |
| 00:01.08 | cog|work | Have I told you lately how I'm never gonna give you up? |
| 00:01.14 | Shirik | Will you let me down? |
| 00:01.19 | |Jelly| | God, I hope not. |
| 00:02.02 | cog|work | please! stab the work as much as you want!!! |
| 00:02.03 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990776601&sid=1&pageNo=2#39 Might want to delete that link in your quote, Cog. (It leads to Meatspin guys, don't click it at work. :P) |
| 00:02.48 | cog|work | fixed |
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| 00:03.08 | |Jelly| | :) |
| 00:03.40 | |Jelly| | BTW, lol@deletedpostsbyretardrogue |
| 00:06.02 | cog|work | methinks (s)he's been banned for that link... |
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| 00:13.39 | Movix | do GetLeft and GetRight methods only work on frame with UIParent as parent ? |
| 00:14.08 | cbreak | all frames should have UIParent as parent. either direct or indirect. |
| 00:14.31 | foxlit | (except for when they shouldn't) |
| 00:14.42 | cbreak | those are exceptions :) |
| 00:15.19 | Movix | ok, so in casea frame has not UIParent as direct parent ? |
| 00:16.06 | foxlit | It'll break some UI conventions |
| 00:16.17 | foxlit | Like not being hidden when the user hits the "hide interface" shortcut |
| 00:16.17 | Movix | ah! |
| 00:16.30 | foxlit | And not have the global scale setting applied to it by default. |
| 00:16.56 | Movix | then i missunderstood "direct", it hide when hidding UI |
| 00:17.16 | cog|work | direct as in parent="UIParent" or :SetParent("UIParent") |
| 00:18.16 | Movix | so it is not goot to set a frames parent to anything else than UIParent ? i have frames that are parented to other frames |
| 00:18.19 | Movix | ? |
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| 00:20.22 | foxlit | UIParent should be in your heritage somewhere, but does not have to be your frame's direct parent. |
| 00:20.55 | foxlit | (so you can parent to some frame, which is parented to some other frame, which is parented to ... which is parented to UIParent) |
| 00:21.11 | Kirov | For hidden frames (ie: event catchers or onupdate background frames) I don't parent them to the UIParent. |
| 00:21.59 | zenzelezz | I don't think he'd be using GetLeft and GetRight for event catchers anyway =) |
| 00:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa now |
| 00:22.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cog linked meatspin? |
| 00:22.28 | foxlit | the BF gears/sparks theme would've been so much more awesome if the sparks were animated |
| 00:22.37 | foxlit | ban cog! |
| 00:22.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ... oh, I should read |
| 00:22.40 | Movix | ok, so in case my frame A that is parented to another frame B wich is itself parented to UIPraent, and i got no correct result by using GetWidth on frame B |
| 00:23.07 | foxlit | Frame parents are (probably) not the problem you're looking for. |
| 00:23.27 | Movix | no, i'd like to inspect the actuel width of my frame |
| 00:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It's best you keep it that way |
| 00:24.18 | cog|work | eh... i'm pretty unflappable |
| 00:24.38 | cog|work | My friend was pretty disappointed by my reaction to 2g1c |
| 00:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's just say on a scale of 1-10, it ranks a 400 on bannable |
| 00:25.32 | bleeter | I wish people who pluralise using an apostrophe could get banned |
| 00:25.37 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, meatspin isn't that bad |
| 00:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not that /good/ either :P |
| 00:26.35 | ZorbaTHut | true, but it's not a 400 :P |
| 00:26.50 | cog|work | of course, most of the women in both my and my wife's families are in nursing, and the stuff my grandma deals with ( http://nocirc.org ) is far more disturbing imo... |
| 00:28.17 | Tifi | Movix, what's wrong with :GetWidth()? |
| 00:28.37 | bleeter | cog|work: I had to think twice... for a moment there I thought 2g1c was '2 gnomes 1 cog' :P |
| 00:28.48 | cog|work | :P |
| 00:28.57 | cog|away | \o/ no more work |
| 00:28.59 | foxlit | I don't get it. Why does git whine about "suspicious patch lines" on some projects but not others? |
| 00:29.00 | cog|away | bbl |
| 00:30.49 | foxlit | # We have candles - What are they? - THEY ARE CANDLES! |
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| 00:34.10 | Movix | in short, i have a frame A, child of frame B, it displays like i want i to display, when i use GetWidth() on frame A it return 0 on first call. frame A is anchored to frame B by the points TOPLEFT, RIGHT and BOTTOM. oon the first call of GetWidth i get 0 returned, after that GetWidth return right value. i not want to call it twice to get my width ! |
| 00:34.46 | foxlit | when you say twice |
| 00:35.23 | foxlit | do you literarily mean twice in a row, function calls immediately after each other? |
| 00:36.43 | Movix | no, i display the frame as a result of a OnEnter event, the first on Enter return the 0 the second OnEnter displays right value. I hide the frame at OnLeave event |
| 00:36.46 | Tifi | well, AFAIK when you don't explicitely set the width, but only set it implicitely with 2 calls to :SetPoint, you have to wait for the next frame redraw. :SetWidth will return the correct value only after that |
| 00:37.01 | foxlit | ^ Tifi makes sense. |
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| 00:37.23 | Movix | aha |
| 00:37.33 | Movix | so can i force the erdraw ? |
| 00:37.37 | foxlit | you can't. |
| 00:37.44 | Movix | show/hide |
| 00:37.49 | foxlit | Nope |
| 00:37.52 | Movix | euh hide / show |
| 00:37.56 | foxlit | Here's how it works: |
| 00:37.56 | Movix | k |
| 00:38.50 | foxlit | WoW draws scenery -> wow calls all relevant Lua methods (events, widget handlers) -> WoW pains UI on frame -> next frame |
| 00:39.04 | Movix | i allready noticed that GetWidth is not sure so i tried to operate with GetRight-GetLeft but got nil values as a return ofr the call of these two methods |
| 00:39.19 | foxlit | (wildly inaccurate, but the point is that your code executes in the frame-drawing process. You can't get another frame until your code terminates) |
| 00:40.01 | foxlit | Which is why /run while 1 do end -- is so fatal. |
| 00:40.29 | Tifi | what exactly do you need the width for? |
| 00:40.44 | Tifi | maybe there's another way to do whatever you're trying to do |
| 00:41.22 | Movix | i'd like to inspect i there is enough room to display a fontstring or not |
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| 00:42.24 | Movix | if my frame is to small i hide the fontstring, else i show it |
| 00:44.21 | Tifi | i don't think there's a clean way to do that |
| 00:45.06 | Tifi | i'm not sure how you determine "too small" either |
| 00:46.19 | Movix | by a constant amount of pixel i define for that |
| 00:47.14 | Movix | but i think i understood my problem. thnak's for your time and patience |
| 00:47.22 | Movix | you helped me a lot |
| 00:48.08 | Tifi | if you really need to do it that way, you probably have to wait for the next redraw (using an onupdate handler) |
| 00:49.53 | Movix | yes that's what i thought, but i'am very carefull using that. do you know what are the time to wait for a redraw ? |
| 00:50.17 | foxlit | lua> foo = "{{bar}}"; return foo:match("{(%b{})}"); |
| 00:50.17 | lua_bot | foxlit: {bar} |
| 00:50.36 | foxlit | I wonder if I can not capture the other balancing {} |
| 00:50.51 | foxlit | s/other/outer/ |
| 00:51.33 | Tifi | what do you mean, time to wait? |
| 00:51.46 | foxlit | Movix: 1/framerate |
| 00:51.57 | Tifi | ugh |
| 00:51.59 | foxlit | But, again, you cannot wait in code. |
| 00:52.54 | Tifi | well, just don't bother with time in the code, you have to set an OnUpdate handler and make it count from 2 downwards |
| 00:53.46 | Movix | not not wait in code, i build a global timer for my addon using OnUpdate, with it i can execute a function x seconds after i settup the timer, i never wait in code |
| 00:54.14 | Movix | but ok, i understood what you mean |
| 00:54.23 | foxlit | The next time that OnUpdate triggers, your width/left/right values will probably be correct. |
| 00:54.23 | Tifi | OnUpdate is called just before the UI is drawn |
| 00:55.17 | foxlit | Tifi: so you're suggesting waiting for 2 frame cycles? |
| 00:55.43 | Tifi | not sure if OnUpdate is called before or after OnEnter |
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| 00:56.01 | Tifi | so yea, either 1 or 2 frames |
| 00:56.53 | Kirov | You could just check to see if the mouse cursor is over the frame in the OnUpdate |
| 00:57.16 | Kirov | meh |
| 00:57.30 | Tifi | :> |
| 00:57.41 | Kirov | Depends on what the frame is for. |
| 00:58.18 | Kirov | Certinaly event driven is better, but if the fame doesn't capture mouse input OnEnter won't fire |
| 00:58.59 | Kirov | Since I'm coming in to the conversation late, what are you attempting to do? |
| 00:59.29 | foxlit | "Movix: i'd like to inspect i there is enough room to display a fontstring or not" "Movix: if my frame is to small i hide the fontstring, else i show it" |
| 00:59.44 | End | WTS unbestowed friendship braceletx30. WTB bag of candies |
| 01:00.00 | foxlit | psst, BoP |
| 01:00.05 | End | don't care! |
| 01:00.17 | foxlit | I wonder if they hotfixed EU |
| 01:00.42 | Kirov | hmm. |
| 01:01.01 | Kirov | Yeah, you'd need at least two frame updates for that. |
| 01:01.18 | Tifi | are there any negative side effects to moving an addon to another category on wowi? like losing comments or a changed url? |
| 01:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 01:01.31 | Kirov | The length of a FontString is not known until it's drawn, one frame after you've set it. |
| 01:02.03 | Kirov | But, honestly, anything under 1/10th of a second is basically imperceivable for most things. |
| 01:02.20 | Kirov | as long as it's just a delay, and not a flicker |
| 01:03.14 | Tifi | ScytheBlade1, how would i go about doing that? report the addon? |
| 01:03.27 | Kirov | (ie: set string on a font string w/ zero opacity, get it's length on the next OnUpdate, if meets requirements unhide) |
| 01:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Tifi: send a PM on WoWI to either Cairenn, Shirik, or Seerah |
| 01:03.40 | Shirik | no |
| 01:03.43 | Shirik | leave me alone |
| 01:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay |
| 01:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Just Shirik then |
| 01:03.52 | Tifi | ._. |
| 01:03.56 | Shirik | what's up? |
| 01:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Needs an addon category changed |
| 01:04.18 | Shirik | link to addon and desired category? |
| 01:04.36 | Tifi | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11935-EventHorizon.html to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat112.html |
| 01:05.20 | Kirov | Tifi - ah, nice. Absolute scale timer bars vs. relative scale. |
| 01:05.34 | Tifi | =) |
| 01:05.50 | Dezzimal | oh hey |
| 01:06.16 | Ackis | ok i'm having issues... anyone have asome code or a link that shows me how to make a frame with an icon in it? |
| 01:06.35 | Kirov | Ackis - define icon |
| 01:06.37 | cbreak | you want a texture |
| 01:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: short version: make a frame, attach a texture, set the texture |
| 01:06.43 | Dezzimal | very awesome mod tifi, been using it for awhile now |
| 01:07.22 | Tifi | nice to hear =) |
| 01:07.27 | Kirov | hmm... now I have to figure out if I want to continue making my own timer addon, or just use Tifi's |
| 01:08.01 | Tifi | depends on what class you play ^^ |
| 01:08.10 | Kirov | That might constitute TMI though |
| 01:08.15 | Kirov | Frostfire Mage |
| 01:09.13 | Kirov | I use Quartz at the moment, which doesn't show me Hotstreaks, but does show me ignites, pyro, and frostfire dots (none of which I care about in my rotation) |
| 01:09.13 | foxlit | is there any reason to downrank _anything_ any more? |
| 01:09.14 | Tifi | the mage module is purely dry code, so if you want to help out... |
| 01:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: frostbolt, for the stupidly fast cast snare |
| 01:09.38 | Kirov | foxlit - achievements (100 club) and lower level players. |
| 01:10.02 | Kirov | 0.5 second frostbolts ftw! |
| 01:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:10.36 | Kirov | Granted I'm just use Dragon's breath for the same effect. |
| 01:10.46 | Kirov | instant daze |
| 01:10.53 | foxlit | mm, okay, so no |
| 01:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | it's really debatable |
| 01:11.19 | foxlit | I don't expect people to bind frostbolt to OPie rings :) |
| 01:11.27 | Kirov | lol |
| 01:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
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| 01:12.08 | foxlit | I'm mainly orchestrating a little internals clean up |
| 01:12.12 | Kirov | I remember one of the precursors to oPie, though may have come out before Sprocket, that was super animated spell selection screen ala some old SNES rpg |
| 01:12.16 | Kirov | (mana something?) |
| 01:12.39 | Movix | ok i tested that out and it work with obnly one frame cycle, thx to all of you |
| 01:12.40 | foxlit | So rather than a bazillion RK slice types, I want to simply add locale-defying functionality to macros |
| 01:13.07 | foxlit | (stuff like /cast [nomod] {{spell:23983}}; {{spell:12345}} |
| 01:13.21 | foxlit | secret of mana? |
| 01:13.33 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_of_Mana |
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| 01:13.44 | foxlit | I'll be honest: I stole it from crysis :/ |
| 01:14.16 | foxlit | So both sprocket and the SNES game were news to me. |
| 01:14.23 | Kirov | heh |
| 01:14.38 | Kirov | It's sad sprocket died. |
| 01:15.59 | Kirov | The author was convinced 2.0 killed it, but oPie proved that wrong. |
| 01:16.50 | Kirov | oPie has an option to attach to the mouse, right? |
| 01:16.55 | Tifi | too bad tapping doesn't work anymore |
| 01:16.58 | Tifi | yes |
| 01:17.07 | Kirov | tapping? |
| 01:17.25 | Tifi | cast a spell instead of showing the ring |
| 01:17.54 | foxlit | 3.0.8 was secretly the "nerf foxlit" patch. |
| 01:18.02 | WobWork | Secretly? |
| 01:18.04 | Tifi | aye |
| 01:18.05 | WobWork | I read it in the notes |
| 01:18.10 | WobWork | Under "General" |
| 01:18.34 | foxlit | That bad, eh. |
| 01:19.58 | Kirov | In what way? |
| 01:20.06 | Kirov | removing the show / hide hooks? |
| 01:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ "nerf foxlit" patch |
| 01:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | gfg |
| 01:21.13 | foxlit | :IsShown()/:GetWidth()/:GetHeight()/WrapScript("OnHide")/control:RunTimer |
| 01:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I can see how/why you'd be feeling that way |
| 01:23.21 | foxlit | meh, on the bright side, I get to rewrite that hackjob I wrote during the wrath beta. |
| 01:23.36 | Kirov | foxlit - in case you haven't seen the Secret of Mana menu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvvCenLdbT8 |
| 01:24.16 | foxlit | the rotating fly-away effect is awesome |
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| 01:44.38 | Tekkub | o/~ ahhh oooOOOOOOOooooo ooo ooo ah ooo o/~ |
| 01:45.19 | Zootfizzle | ~lart Tekkub |
| 01:45.19 | purl | moos at Tekkub |
| 01:45.39 | Tekkub | quit yur lartin and fix those bugs! |
| 01:46.40 | sacarasc | WTF? Mooing at someone is not larting them... There was no tool there! |
| 01:49.33 | Tekkub | you know, having your fans sing half the song on a live album is just lazy |
| 01:50.42 | Shirik | ~lart Tekkub |
| 01:50.42 | purl | forces Tekkub to use Outlook Express |
| 01:50.45 | Shirik | to make up for the lack of lart |
| 01:50.56 | Tekkub | I see no larts |
| 01:50.59 | Tekkub | only attempts to lart |
| 01:51.02 | Tekkub | FAIL! |
| 01:51.08 | Shirik | outlook express is a pretty hardcore lart |
| 01:51.23 | Tekkub | I have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 01:52.21 | Tekkub | inflatable toys? |
| 01:52.56 | Tekkub | *realistic |
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| 01:53.07 | Zootfizzle | >_< |
| 01:53.27 | Tekkub | insert removed dranei female gnome joke here |
| 01:55.35 | foxlit | It's removed? |
| 01:58.14 | Tekkub | they removed a bunch of em |
| 01:58.21 | Tekkub | all Zoot's fault |
| 02:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Zootfizzle toy |
| 02:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: I believe you have a new voodoo doll (see above) |
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| 02:07.00 | Shirik | I died 3 times on malygos |
| 02:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | failure |
| 02:07.11 | Shirik | Die once, hit for 15k |
| 02:07.15 | Shirik | Die second time, 1 second after rez |
| 02:07.21 | Shirik | Die third time, 2 seconds after rez |
| 02:07.26 | Shirik | that's pretty ffed up |
| 02:07.43 | Shirik | I did get 60 seconds of free healing though |
| 02:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiilllllllluuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:15.12 | Tekkub | so you know, I realized why I don't find "lolcats" typing funny |
| 02:15.28 | Tekkub | Chick-fil-a has been doing that shit with their cow ads for years |
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| 02:34.36 | Corrodias | i'm sorry, is that name supposed to sound like "chick filler"? |
| 02:34.57 | Shirik | chick filet |
| 02:35.25 | Corrodias | filler makes more sense |
| 02:40.24 | ccox | fillet |
| 02:53.40 | WobWork | oh Tekkub |
| 02:53.54 | WobWork | you know how you mentioned that 'russian bear' yesterday... |
| 02:53.56 | WobWork | http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/7225285.html |
| 02:57.30 | Shirik | WobWork, wtf |
| 02:59.54 | WobWork | Shirik: That's what I said |
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| 03:35.27 | Kaso | I cant believe i missed 1234567890 >< |
| 03:37.38 | WobWork | once in a lifetime =P |
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| 04:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/emoticon_typo_commits_woman?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
| 04:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
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| 04:04.59 | Tem | What does |
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| 04:05.30 | Tem | vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv |
| 04:06.02 | Tem | woah |
| 04:06.04 | Corrodias | shouldn't that be wwwwwwwwwwwwadaaaaaaaasssss? |
| 04:06.45 | mikma | its quite amazing how someone with lower gear than me whoops more dps in naxx =D |
| 04:07.36 | mikma | maybe the +24 gems i have has something to do with it |
| 04:13.52 | NightHawkTheSane | skill > gear? ;) |
| 04:15.46 | mikma | not that. we use the same rotation & almost the same build |
| 04:32.59 | kd3 | yay! doing my last daily quest for the damn walrus-people |
| 04:33.25 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, wtf |
| 04:35.41 | mikma | oh look |
| 04:35.47 | mikma | new shirik-stuff |
| 04:35.51 | Shirik | oh god |
| 04:35.58 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.59 | mikma | yey |
| 04:36.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:36.30 | kd3 | whee, [Tuskarrmageddon]! |
| 04:36.43 | kd3 | I still was kinda hoping for the achievement as it was in beta |
| 04:37.15 | mikma | shirik: cant check the stuff you uploaded, getting the error |
| 04:37.22 | Shirik | where the heck did you see it? |
| 04:37.41 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/latest.php |
| 04:37.56 | mikma | 4 at the top. all MMOUI stuff |
| 04:38.25 | Shirik | yes gtfo >< |
| 04:39.10 | mikma | diaf |
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| 04:45.29 | Tekkub | s/N/M/ |
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| 04:46.41 | kd3 | hai |
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| 04:46.46 | kd3 | more people! |
| 04:46.46 | Corrodias | thew? |
| 04:46.46 | Shirik | wallops |
| 04:46.46 | Corrodias | ah |
| 04:47.27 | Shirik | +w for that is the mode to display wallops |
| 04:47.27 | Corrodias | indeed. |
| 04:48.03 | Shirik | ok mikma |
| 04:48.13 | Shirik | now you should see how much of my stuff you can download |
| 04:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ? |
| 04:49.09 | Shirik | mikma was commenting on something I uploaded |
| 04:50.26 | mikma | (something he clearly failed) |
| 04:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: update the topic with my suggestion |
| 04:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ^_________________^ |
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| 04:51.37 | Cairenn | no :p |
| 04:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh come on :) |
| 04:51.49 | kd3 | it must've happened during the split. what was it? |
| 04:52.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo. :( |
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| 05:11.26 | kd3 | grah, try to log in, insta dcc |
| 05:11.32 | kd3 | >.< |
| 05:15.01 | Shirik | dcc? |
| 05:15.02 | Shirik | In WoW? |
| 05:15.05 | Shirik | when they added that? |
| 05:15.10 | Shirik | would be a great way to update addons |
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| 05:27.46 | Corrodias | store your addon's code in saved variables, send updates in text, run text as script. ?????, profit |
| 05:28.56 | kd3 | there's been talk of that before, hasn't there? |
| 05:32.07 | Corrodias | i don't know |
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| 05:33.29 | Hasbro | I heard this channel was full of win |
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| 05:37.53 | Shirik | kd3: Yes, I've discussed it before |
| 05:38.02 | Shirik | I was going to make use of foxlit's prism |
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| 05:58.36 | mikma | well, transferring screenshots / clips of game would be got |
| 05:58.54 | mikma | like "heres my proof" -> send ss of chat |
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| 06:02.41 | Zyndrome | if you make that an automated process, you suddenly got PunkBuster! |
| 06:03.32 | Zyndrome | (which is arse... AAAAA ONE DIGIT CHANGED IN INIT.CON TO REMOVE INTRO MOVIES AAAAA KICKED AAAAA LOL) |
| 06:04.59 | mikma | hah =D |
| 06:06.40 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Valentine's Day, <3 you all! |
| 06:06.53 | NightHawkTheSane | </3 Shirik |
| 06:06.57 | Shirik | <3! |
| 06:10.02 | End | </3 |
| 06:22.32 | Kirov | Isn't that Happy Love is in the Air? |
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| 06:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: DO IT |
| 06:29.43 | Shirik | Cairenn would kill me |
| 06:29.48 | Shirik | literally |
| 06:29.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Fail |
| 06:30.03 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12499-SkadaDamageMeter.html |
| 06:30.11 | mikma | lookie! a new damage meter -addon |
| 06:30.22 | mikma | the look is great imho, icons and stuff |
| 06:30.33 | Shirik | what else is on the updated list, mikma? |
| 06:33.17 | mikma | shirik: lots of stuff |
| 06:33.25 | Shirik | how much by Shirik? |
| 06:33.26 | mikma | but this one is the coolest |
| 06:33.58 | mikma | i lost all of your uploads! made me cry a little inside |
| 06:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely unrelated: vinyl rips sound -nothing at all- like CD rips |
| 06:34.46 | mikma | scytheblade1: suh, you think? |
| 06:34.53 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: and it's awesome |
| 06:35.12 | mikma | i know! |
| 06:35.17 | mikma | u love vinyl rips |
| 06:35.21 | mikma | u=i |
| 06:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I found Coldplay's latest in 24/96 flac vinyl rip |
| 06:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds absolutely nothing at all like the radio/CD versions |
| 06:37.22 | mikma | snap crackle pop, i'm loving it |
| 06:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | This is a very, very clean rip |
| 06:37.45 | mikma | needs a little vinyl sound |
| 06:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | The first track alone is probably some of the best 2:31 I've ever spent in my life |
| 06:39.35 | mikma | the latest one has viva la vida in it? |
| 06:40.01 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 06:40.12 | mikma | awesome song etc |
| 06:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds absolutely nothing like the stuff you hear on the radio |
| 06:41.51 | Shirik | Okay |
| 06:41.55 | Shirik | who here knows Java? |
| 06:42.00 | Shirik | This error is wrecking my brain http://pastey.net/108260 |
| 06:42.25 | mikma | shirik: that dude called shirik knows some, contact him |
| 06:42.37 | Shirik | ~kill mikma |
| 06:42.38 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged pseudomeson gun at mikma |
| 06:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fail |
| 06:42.50 | mikma | oh that reminded me |
| 06:42.58 | mikma | i saw a bubble + hs today |
| 06:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: public static FINAL |
| 06:43.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Less final? |
| 06:43.41 | Shirik | and as far as I can tell it will only be initialized once |
| 06:43.41 | mikma | must been atleast 2 years when i saw one |
| 06:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 06:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The try/catch required? |
| 06:44.11 | Shirik | 4.12.4 final Variables |
| 06:44.11 | Shirik | A variable can be declared final. A final variable may only be assigned to once. It is a compile time error if a final variable is assigned to unless it is definitely unassigned (§16) immediately prior to the assignment. |
| 06:44.15 | Shirik | Yes it's required |
| 06:44.20 | Shirik | otherwise I wouldn't have it at all |
| 06:45.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Just seems a silly thing to make final |
| 06:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind no context here, though |
| 06:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 06:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:45.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | new URL() whatever will init it, even if it throws an exception |
| 06:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't set it to null, figure out another way to manage it |
| 06:46.08 | Shirik | well if I don't try to init it to null, I get the opposite error |
| 06:46.14 | Shirik | "might not have been initialized" |
| 06:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Could this specific thing be better worked as a private inner class? |
| 06:46.57 | Shirik | uh.. no |
| 06:47.03 | Shirik | All I want |
| 06:47.04 | Shirik | is a URL |
| 06:47.07 | Shirik | It should be a simple concept |
| 06:47.15 | Shirik | but Java is like "Oh I'm going to put 5 million things around it to protect you!!" |
| 06:47.18 | Shirik | It's a damn URL |
| 06:47.20 | Shirik | It will ALWAYS be valid |
| 06:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Then why are you complicating it with static final? |
| 06:47.25 | Shirik | And it will ALWAYS be initialized |
| 06:47.35 | Shirik | BECAUSE IT'S A CONSTANT |
| 06:47.44 | Shirik | *stab stab stab* |
| 06:47.50 | Shirik | Sometimes Java is incredibly stupid |
| 06:47.54 | Shirik | beyond belief |
| 06:47.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I have this odd feeling that you broke something fundamental |
| 06:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And I've only had a single semester of Java to date |
| 06:48.41 | Shirik | oh then you should read the MMOUI Manager's code |
| 06:48.48 | Shirik | Here, let me give you 2 lines from it, it's fun stuff |
| 06:49.27 | Shirik | // Warning: Bad ass for loop incoming |
| 06:49.27 | Shirik | for (File parent = target.getParentFile(), child = target; |
| 06:49.27 | Shirik | parent != null; parent = (child = parent).getParentFile()) { |
| 06:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You're a terrible person |
| 06:51.11 | Shirik | ok, changed it to |
| 06:51.12 | Shirik | public static /* final yeah FU JAVA */ URL DOWNLOAD_URL; |
| 06:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | If you really want it to only be set once |
| 06:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Make a new class and enforce it there |
| 06:51.52 | Shirik | I don't really care |
| 06:51.54 | amro | is make a new class java's solution to everything? oO |
| 06:51.59 | Shirik | it's just good practice to put final there |
| 06:52.09 | Shirik | There's no reason it should be stopping me from doing that |
| 06:52.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 06:52.14 | Shirik | I can understand forcing me to add try-catch |
| 06:52.26 | Shirik | I can't understand why it thinks it could be initialized twice |
| 06:52.28 | Shirik | because it can't |
| 06:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm thinking that even if it throws the exception, it's been initialized once |
| 06:56.11 | Corrodias | "good practice" |
| 06:56.28 | Corrodias | how often does this lead to not being able to do things very easily? :/ |
| 06:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Not too terribly often |
| 06:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Although something tells me that if Java ever gets closures |
| 06:58.03 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12469-XqoLoot.html - question. faster looting than blizzards? where do we need that? |
| 06:58.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik will grin, and no one will be able to understand his code |
| 07:02.54 | Shirik | I love the Java Language Specification |
| 07:02.58 | Shirik | A class instance creation expression can throw an exception type E iff either: |
| 07:02.58 | Shirik | The expression is a qualified class instance creation expression and the qualifying expression can throw E; |
| 07:03.05 | Shirik | It doesn't actually define what happens when that occurs |
| 07:04.14 | Shirik | The control transfer that occurs when an exception is thrown causes abrupt completion of expressions (§15.6) and statements (§14.1) until a catch clause is encountered that can handle the exception; |
| 07:04.21 | Shirik | This is like navigating Wikipedia |
| 07:04.27 | Shirik | you have to click 20 things to get where you want |
| 07:04.29 | mikma | "throw E" sounds so xtc |
| 07:06.00 | Shirik | If evaluation of an expression requires evaluation of a subexpression, abrupt completion of the subexpression always causes the immediate abrupt completion of the expression itself, with the same reason, and all succeeding steps in the normal mode of evaluation are not performed. |
| 07:06.09 | Shirik | I take that to mean that the initialization does not occur |
| 07:06.20 | Shirik | Which agrees with the "variable might not have been initialized" |
| 07:06.25 | Shirik | but not the "variable might have already been initialized" |
| 07:09.23 | Shirik | 12.5 Creation of New Class Instances ... 5. Execute the rest of the body of this constructor. If that execution completes abruptly, then this procedure completes abruptly for the same reason. Otherwise, this procedure completes normally. |
| 07:09.25 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 ^ |
| 07:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 07:11.01 | Shirik | Anyway, now that I have wasted like 45 minutes just browsing the Java Language Specification |
| 07:11.02 | Shirik | back to code |
| 07:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:11.26 | Shirik | and by 45 minutes I mean 10 |
| 07:11.28 | Shirik | but still |
| 07:21.41 | Kirov | fast looting ... how is this faster than holding down shift? |
| 07:22.54 | Tekkub | you hold shift? |
| 07:23.24 | Kirov | Tekkub - unless I'm farming, yes. |
| 07:23.33 | Tekkub | I just right click, wait for the window to appear (in case of lag) and run away |
| 07:23.57 | Kirov | Or you could just hold shift click, and run on. |
| 07:24.01 | amro | I just shift-right click, wait for the window to appear (in case of lag) and run away |
| 07:24.20 | Tekkub | shift's a wasted action, inefficient |
| 07:24.32 | amro | shift takes no effort |
| 07:24.40 | Tekkub | sure it does |
| 07:24.46 | Kirov | If there's no prompt, it insta-loots, you don't have to wait for the window to pop really. |
| 07:25.11 | Tekkub | you do have to wait for the window to pop, if lag is bad enough it won't loot |
| 07:25.17 | amro | depends, with serious lag it doesn't work |
| 07:25.29 | Kirov | Don't lag then! duh |
| 08:00.58 | WobWork | Tekkub: Did you see that Russian bear link I posted earlier? |
| 08:01.17 | Tekkub | no |
| 08:01.28 | WobWork | http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/7225285.html |
| 08:01.34 | WobWork | Shirik can attest to the wtfness of it all |
| 08:04.18 | Tekkub | that was not at all what I was hoping for |
| 08:08.16 | WobWork | hehe |
| 08:08.35 | WobWork | I saw the link and thought: Hey, Tekkub was talking about Russian bears the other day....*click* |
| 08:08.40 | WobWork | *read* |
| 08:08.44 | WobWork | ... wtf |
| 08:09.15 | Tekkub | yea I meant bears not bears |
| 08:09.30 | Tekkub | you know, like sean connery in that movie ^^ |
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| 08:11.27 | WobWork | also, they have some of the turtles with the wrong weapons =P |
| 08:11.47 | Tekkub | god what are you, some sort of perfectionist |
| 08:12.03 | WobWork | Yes? |
| 08:12.18 | WobWork | well I'm totally ignoring the Machine Gun |
| 08:12.23 | amro | and the roaches |
| 08:12.25 | amro | and the bear |
| 08:12.29 | WobWork | sorry, the Super Machinegun |
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| 08:37.49 | Shirik | noooooooo |
| 08:37.51 | Shirik | vim you fail me |
| 08:37.53 | Shirik | T_T |
| 08:37.57 | Shirik | I finally found a file type it can't open |
| 08:38.00 | Shirik | .jar |
| 08:38.23 | Zyndrome | vim can't open a .jar, but a guy can with his anus, what kind of software is that, pfffff |
| 08:38.43 | Shirik | .. |
| 08:38.51 | Shirik | it's strange because vim can open .zip |
| 08:38.54 | Shirik | no reason it can't open .jar |
| 08:39.01 | Shirik | it's identical |
| 08:41.05 | Zyndrome | and I think I just improved my life ten folds, with Stylish |
| 08:41.07 | Zyndrome | div[style*="pvp"] { display: none !important } |
| 08:41.45 | Zyndrome | pvp-forums be gone |
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| 09:14.39 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.flickr.com/photos/maitri/1444965179/sizes/o/ |
| 09:14.42 | NightHawkTheSane | WWRFD |
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| 10:08.31 | WobWork | hm |
| 10:08.40 | WobWork | The new Alice movie is looking interesting |
| 10:08.52 | WobWork | Of course, any movie with Alan Rickman is bound to be good |
| 10:10.27 | jnwhiteh | i'm glad I didn't get on IRC last night |
| 10:10.29 | jnwhiteh | i was pretty smashed =) |
| 10:10.34 | WobWork | hehe =) |
| 10:10.51 | WobWork | drunk irc is the best thing ever |
| 10:11.26 | nevcairiel | makes for good quotes |
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| 10:17.29 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Drunk from epoch day? |
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| 10:17.44 | jnwhiteh | no, unvalentines day |
| 10:28.41 | Shirik | sleep time |
| 10:28.42 | Shirik | night |
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| 12:50.11 | zenzelezz | does di.fm load for anyone else? |
| 12:56.00 | Fisker- | nope |
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| 13:26.15 | Adys | I dont know who yesterday was saying there were bags without bracers |
| 13:26.27 | Adys | but from what I hear, orgrimmar bags are bugged and dont contain them |
| 13:28.50 | Kalroth | uh |
| 13:28.53 | Kalroth | that's not true |
| 13:29.06 | Adys | i dont care if its true or not |
| 13:29.11 | Adys | its what i heard |
| 13:29.36 | Adys | for example, i heard you sleep in the same bed as your pets, Kalroth |
| 13:29.39 | Kalroth | I don't know if it's true or not, I'm just saying you didn't hear it! |
| 13:30.00 | Adys | [15:29:38] <Adys> for example, i heard you sleep in the same bed as your pets, Kalroth |
| 13:30.00 | Adys | [15:29:43] <Kalroth> I don't know if it's true or not, I'm just saying you didn't hear it! |
| 13:30.04 | Adys | there, in the quotes |
| 13:30.08 | Kalroth | :( |
| 13:35.21 | Movix1 | hi, does this work : sf = CreateFrame("ScrollingMessageFrame", "sf", parentframe)? |
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| 13:36.30 | Movix1 | it seems the scrollingmessageframe is created and all methods are woring, but i did not see the frame! |
| 13:36.39 | Movix1 | ^working |
| 13:36.49 | WobWork | sf:Show()? |
| 13:36.54 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38082#comments |
| 13:37.24 | Adys | wowhead comments are a bunch of epeeners who try very hard to show how badly they think they know everythingh |
| 13:37.24 | Movix1 | already tried to explicitly show |
| 13:38.06 | Adys | The game cannot afford to let your client keep a mirror of your backpack storage, as this would open the door to very destructive exploits, so every time you open your bag, your client must contact the server" |
| 13:38.07 | Adys | Oh yes. |
| 13:38.55 | Adys | So if you're complaining about lag on your server |
| 13:39.02 | Adys | stop opening your fucking backpack, you hacker |
| 13:39.34 | foxlit | Movix1: did you position that frame? |
| 13:39.44 | Movix1 | yes |
| 13:40.00 | foxlit | so pastey some more code |
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| 13:41.21 | Movix1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/108282 |
| 13:43.00 | foxlit | Well, that should end up in a visible frame, at least |
| 13:43.31 | foxlit | You could try adding tex = sf:CreateTexture(nil, "OVERLAY"); tex:SetAllPoints(); tex:SetTexture(1,0,0); |
| 13:43.33 | foxlit | to check that |
| 13:44.22 | Movix1 | yeah, now i see the red square |
| 13:44.46 | foxlit | So you probably have a font issue. |
| 13:45.26 | foxlit | sf:SetFontObject(GameFontNormal); |
| 13:48.31 | Movix1 | works, thx |
| 13:49.04 | Movix1 | but is not so that the font is attributed by default ? |
| 13:49.15 | Movix1 | apparently not ;) |
| 13:49.30 | foxlit | It'd be attributed by default if you inherited it |
| 13:49.40 | Movix1 | ah ok |
| 13:50.17 | foxlit | (not sure if you can actually inherit from a font directly, but you can probably find a ScrollingMessageFrame template somewhere in FrameXML) |
| 13:50.58 | Movix1 | it's ok for me to create it without inherit and set the font manualy |
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| 14:22.07 | foxlit | ("%d, %f, %q;"):format(#props, props.offset, func() or '')); |
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| 14:22.21 | foxlit | ^ bad argument #3 to format (string expected, got boolean) |
| 14:22.53 | foxlit | Ah, true. |
| 14:26.31 | jnwhiteh | Any suggestions for something like (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0gG0uVcoIzhGzZZfVhu0u) as a restokin leveling build |
| 14:26.38 | jnwhiteh | I due with a enh shaman most of the time |
| 14:26.45 | jnwhiteh | but need a bit more healing oomph in instances |
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| 14:47.32 | sioraiocht_ | is glyph of windfury weapon actually worth it for an enh shaman? |
| 14:47.43 | sioraiocht_ | 2% chance to trigger windfury per swing? |
| 14:51.05 | [dRaCo] | it was great with 5% |
| 14:51.21 | [dRaCo] | but I think it's still worth using it considering the alternatives |
| 14:51.31 | [dRaCo] | I use FT, WF and SS |
| 14:53.45 | sioraiocht_ | FT? |
| 14:54.21 | sioraiocht_ | [dRaCo]: what about glyph of shocking? |
| 14:54.41 | [dRaCo] | flametongue |
| 14:55.15 | [dRaCo] | and that shock glyph... well, since they nerfed it to only .5 seconds off the gcd, I don't think it's worth using |
| 14:55.30 | [dRaCo] | jnwhiteh: I'd go for http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0eG0uVcoIzhZZbxIu0uxVu |
| 14:55.54 | jnwhiteh | [dRaCo]: do you think its reasonable to go for a split build like this? |
| 14:56.08 | [dRaCo] | for leveling, yeah |
| 14:56.16 | [dRaCo] | should be enough to heal most instances |
| 14:56.32 | [dRaCo] | and enough damage to not die due to boredom when soloing stuff |
| 14:57.04 | [dRaCo] | I used to play a build like that in BC's arenas |
| 14:57.11 | jnwhiteh | well i won't ever be soloing |
| 14:57.14 | jnwhiteh | that's the good thing |
| 14:57.18 | jnwhiteh | and still be able to kill shit fast |
| 14:57.20 | [dRaCo] | was good enough to do both |
| 14:57.54 | jnwhiteh | [dRaCo]: that's a level 80 build tho |
| 14:57.59 | jnwhiteh | i need a level 71 build :P |
| 14:58.40 | [dRaCo] | drop what you need less... more healing, drop moonkin points |
| 14:58.45 | [dRaCo] | and the other way round |
| 14:59.13 | [dRaCo] | swiftmend is mandatory for instance healing, though |
| 14:59.24 | [dRaCo] | at least that's what I experienced |
| 15:00.16 | jnwhiteh | it certainly makes it easier |
| 15:00.22 | cbreak | I've done instances without healers... ok, they were a bit below my level... but still :) |
| 15:00.28 | jnwhiteh | so many stupid tanks these days |
| 15:00.29 | [dRaCo] | level 71 would be http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0eG0uVcosZZbxIu0uxVz |
| 15:00.35 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: that involves playing with people who don't suck |
| 15:00.37 | jnwhiteh | i.e. no pugs |
| 15:00.39 | [dRaCo] | next point moonkin |
| 15:00.58 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 15:01.03 | jnwhiteh | i'll take a look at tit, thanks. |
| 15:01.19 | WobWork | hehe, cool graffiti that only makes sense at night... http://images.flm.fr/181008/7.jpg |
| 15:04.27 | foxlit | I demand they add voice acting to the Shattrah comedy show! |
| 15:05.11 | WobWork | and a laugh track? |
| 15:05.26 | foxlit | meh, there's a laugh track already |
| 15:06.44 | foxlit | "I can't wait till this quest is done and I can look for another Garibaldi artifact." << I wonder. Did they actually add more jokes at some point? |
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| 15:22.17 | jnwhiteh | [dRaCo]: Why would you not take Nature's Focus.. especially why would you take Furor over it? |
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| 15:28.30 | [dRaCo] | jnwhiteh: 10% int in moonkin form... pushback should be a problem when you're healing instances |
| 15:28.34 | [dRaCo] | *shouldn't |
| 15:28.44 | laeg | is there an alternative to wowuidev, so i can say check my alts gear while deciding what to lw for him on my main? |
| 15:28.47 | jnwhiteh | it isn't.. but it is when I'm DPSing |
| 15:28.52 | laeg | s /wowuidev/character info |
| 15:29.17 | jnwhiteh | and in a PUG instance, I really do get beat on :P |
| 15:29.23 | jnwhiteh | because the tanks are all terrible. |
| 15:29.33 | [dRaCo] | :/ |
| 15:30.16 | [dRaCo] | I was about to suggest using the points from subtlety, but sounds like that isn't an option |
| 15:30.22 | jnwhiteh | hehe nope |
| 15:30.25 | jnwhiteh | and 10% int |
| 15:30.26 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 15:30.35 | jnwhiteh | what does the int get me in that spec |
| 15:30.47 | [dRaCo] | spellpower |
| 15:30.56 | [dRaCo] | more of an endgame talent, though |
| 15:31.00 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 15:31.04 | jnwhiteh | not something I need to worry about righ tnow |
| 15:31.12 | jnwhiteh | it nets me 22 spell power :P |
| 15:32.37 | jnwhiteh | at that point Master Spapeshifter gets memore :P |
| 15:32.39 | jnwhiteh | more |
| 15:32.44 | jnwhiteh | for the same points |
| 15:32.54 | [dRaCo] | yeah, just tried that |
| 15:33.07 | [dRaCo] | go for nature's focus and master shapeshifter, then |
| 15:33.32 | jnwhiteh | I hate that you HAVE to spend 32 points to get Swiftmend |
| 15:33.43 | jnwhiteh | i mean, it's 31 |
| 15:33.49 | jnwhiteh | but you have to give up either Nature's Swiftness |
| 15:33.53 | jnwhiteh | or a point in Imp regrowth |
| 15:33.55 | jnwhiteh | to cap it at 31 :p |
| 15:34.12 | jnwhiteh | I can probably afford to lose the point in imp regrowth tho, maybe? |
| 15:34.35 | [dRaCo] | for that one level, probably yeah |
| 15:35.05 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0gG0uVcofzZZf0Iubuxmz reasonable? |
| 15:35.44 | [dRaCo] | good hybrid spec, yeah |
| 15:35.56 | [dRaCo] | might even work out pretty well for pvp |
| 15:36.00 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 15:36.05 | jnwhiteh | it's just a temp spec |
| 15:36.06 | jnwhiteh | until 3.1 |
| 15:36.20 | jnwhiteh | and i'm full S2/S3 gear with a few S4/S5 thrown in |
| 15:36.26 | jnwhiteh | so i've never had much of a problem in pvp :P |
| 15:36.39 | jnwhiteh | and pvp is a waste of time except for wintergrasp, where I always have 16+ stacks of Tenacity =) |
| 15:36.49 | [dRaCo] | 16? o0 |
| 15:36.53 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 15:36.58 | jnwhiteh | my server is.. a bit horde heavy |
| 15:36.59 | foxlit | teehee |
| 15:37.03 | jnwhiteh | had 32 stacks yesterday |
| 15:37.04 | foxlit | There's only one Portal: Dalaran spell |
| 15:37.07 | [dRaCo] | and I thought the 4 or 5 we usually have is a lot |
| 15:37.16 | jnwhiteh | was like +540% health |
| 15:37.24 | foxlit | neerf! |
| 15:37.39 | foxlit | (but two Portal: Shattrath spells) |
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| 15:47.05 | laeg | is there an alternative to character info, so i can say check my alt's gear while deciding what to lw for him on my main? |
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| 15:47.45 | mikma | humm |
| 15:48.31 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:48.33 | jnwhiteh | google is down |
| 15:48.35 | jnwhiteh | lolwut? |
| 15:49.11 | cbreak | did they blacklist / again? |
| 15:49.37 | cbreak | laeg: I use sanity inventory |
| 15:50.21 | laeg | cbreak: ty |
| 15:51.54 | jnwhiteh | I need a really simple addon that shows the cooldowns I have that are down (and > the global cooldown) in a row |
| 15:51.57 | jnwhiteh | so I know when stuff is down |
| 15:52.03 | jnwhiteh | I don't care about when it's up.. cause itf its not down its up |
| 15:52.04 | jnwhiteh | suggestions? |
| 15:54.19 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10769-CooldownButtons.html may just do it |
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| 15:55.14 | Fisker- | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10769-CooldownButtons.html jnwhiteh i think it may just do it for you |
| 15:55.21 | jnwhiteh | lol |
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| 15:57.56 | mikma | jnwhiteh: OmniCC simple <3 |
| 15:58.46 | jnwhiteh | i dont have them on my actionbars |
| 15:58.49 | jnwhiteh | hence my asking for this :P |
| 16:01.36 | mikma | jnwhiteh: CoolTime |
| 16:02.08 | jnwhiteh | !addon CoolTime |
| 16:02.13 | lua_bot | Found 0 addon results for 'CoolTime': http://is.gd/jwBr |
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| 16:02.23 | Dark_Elf | Cooldowns |
| 16:02.29 | jnwhiteh | mikma: ? |
| 16:03.02 | mikma | jnwhiteh: sorry, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12467-CoolLine.html (CooLine, not Time) |
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| 16:04.13 | Dark_Elf | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cooldowns/ |
| 16:07.32 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 16:07.33 | jnwhiteh | NS/HT macros |
| 16:07.37 | jnwhiteh | don't work while you are moving ,do they |
| 16:08.12 | jnwhiteh | testing says no |
| 16:09.33 | Tem | jnwhiteh, they never have |
| 16:09.42 | Tem | you have to spam teh buttans |
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| 16:22.05 | Movix1 | when i do a ReloadUi is there an event fired like Player_Leaving_World ? |
| 16:22.38 | foxlit | so, one piece of candy and 8 charges. |
| 16:22.59 | cbreak | it should be like a logout |
| 16:23.02 | foxlit | lua> (1-(7/8)^8)*100 |
| 16:23.03 | lua_bot | foxlit: 65.639108419418 |
| 16:23.05 | cbreak | all saved variables are saved after all |
| 16:23.14 | Movix1 | k thx |
| 16:23.14 | foxlit | Movix1: PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 16:23.32 | foxlit | (which is what you should be watching for if you want to perform some finalization on saved variables) |
| 16:23.46 | Movix1 | ok |
| 16:23.49 | Movix1 | thx |
| 16:23.59 | foxlit | PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD has the disadvantage of being fired on instance/continent transitions (I wonder if the new same-continent loading screens cause it as well) |
| 16:24.17 | Movix1 | ah ok |
| 16:24.58 | cbreak | I thought it's for server transfers |
| 16:25.37 | foxlit | Pretty much |
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| 16:34.39 | foxlit | So, math question |
| 16:35.01 | cbreak | 42 |
| 16:35.19 | foxlit | What is the expected number of Bag of Candies charges you have to expend to get all 8 different flavours. |
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| 16:36.35 | haste | foxlit: 2-3 I guess |
| 16:36.46 | haste | I've yet to see the bag of candies tho' |
| 16:36.46 | foxlit | haste: charges, not bags :) |
| 16:36.54 | haste | 20-30 :p ? |
| 16:36.54 | Fisker- | haste my mortal enemy |
| 16:37.06 | Fisker- | you don't use left click for assigning master loot you gimp |
| 16:37.09 | haste | you have an equal chance to create all flavours |
| 16:37.23 | haste | yes you do Fisker- |
| 16:38.04 | Fisker- | nahuh |
| 16:38.06 | Fisker- | you rightclick |
| 16:38.09 | Fisker- | you definitely do |
| 16:38.15 | haste | nope! |
| 16:38.24 | Fisker- | Jope! |
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| 16:38.31 | haste | it's blizzard natural selection! |
| 16:38.43 | Fisker- | RIGHTCLIIIIIIICK |
| 16:38.51 | haste | Ffffffffffffuuuuuuuu no |
| 16:38.52 | foxlit | haste: assuming that, yeah |
| 16:38.59 | Fisker- | ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yeah |
| 16:39.13 | haste | are we smiles? |
| 16:39.17 | foxlit | It's the same problem as "how many times do you have to roll an 8-sided die to see all sides" |
| 16:39.26 | haste | yep |
| 16:39.29 | Fisker- | 8 times |
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| 16:40.47 | foxlit | Assuming you're lucky and they don't repeat |
| 16:42.08 | jnwhiteh | Buffet is not updated for wrath items yet? |
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| 16:43.04 | foxlit | !addon Buffet |
| 16:43.10 | lua_bot | Buffet (v. 3.0.3.26-Beta) last updated Mon Jan 12 07:23 (http://is.gd/jwKZ) |
| 16:43.25 | foxlit | should give the origin link :/ |
| 16:44.15 | jnwhiteh | whadya mean origin link? |
| 16:44.27 | Movix1 | so in order to manipulate SV before leaving the game or doing a reloadUI this code should work http://wowuidev.pastey.net/108294 ? |
| 16:45.32 | foxlit | wowi rather than the summary page |
| 16:45.42 | foxlit | (or curse, or anywhere else if that happens to be the website) |
| 16:45.46 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: there are normally multiple origins |
| 16:45.49 | jnwhiteh | hence why I send you there |
| 16:45.55 | jnwhiteh | I could parse that page and if there's only one origin send you there |
| 16:46.00 | jnwhiteh | but I won't make a choice between multiple sites |
| 16:46.09 | jnwhiteh | so I left it like this to be consistent, it's only one extra click |
| 16:46.40 | foxlit | Movix1: yes |
| 16:46.43 | foxlit | or no |
| 16:46.49 | foxlit | You can't do f:SetScript("OnEvent", MovixLib_UIFramesHandler_OnEvent) |
| 16:46.56 | foxlit | before you do function MovixLib_UIFramesHandler_OnEvent(self, event) |
| 16:46.57 | Movix1 | if i ask it's because it did not work ! |
| 16:47.23 | Movix1 | ah , i'am idiot ! sure have to declare the function before ! |
| 16:47.31 | Movix1 | sorry |
| 16:47.34 | foxlit | Unlike certain other languages, there's nothing special about functions that would make them available above the code that declares them :) |
| 16:47.45 | foxlit | s/above/before/ |
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| 16:49.18 | p3lim | nice upgrades to the site |
| 16:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 16:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Given two numbers, an X and a Y on a sudoku board, how would I find the top-left corner of the local 3x3? |
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| 17:02.02 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, integer-divide by three or div-by-three-math.floor(), then mult by three. may have to subtract/add one assuming you're on Lua |
| 17:02.22 | ZorbaTHut | or add two I suppose |
| 17:02.47 | ZorbaTHut | math.floor((coord + 2) / 3) |
| 17:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually just found it |
| 17:03.03 | ZorbaTHut | er, *3 also |
| 17:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | given r and c for row and column |
| 17:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | r = r - (r % 3); |
| 17:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | same for c |
| 17:04.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that works too (0-based, at least, fiddling needed if it's 1-based) |
| 17:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 17:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Just making it 0-based for simplicity |
| 17:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (It's actually java) |
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| 17:37.06 | Thrae | Should I call my PvP communication improving addon for people without Vent, "FollowTheLeader", "WhoNeedsVent", or my personal favorite, "AntiVentdom"? |
| 17:38.24 | Thrae | Fsck it. Who cares what people think about the name. I'll just use the one I link. |
| 17:38.30 | Thrae | s/link/like/ |
| 17:38.53 | Movix1 | is there any interest in a wow lua highlighter config filer for PSPAD ? |
| 17:39.02 | Movix1 | if so where should i post it ? |
| 17:40.00 | zenzelezz | Thrae: "CanYouHearMeNow" |
| 17:41.21 | Thrae | zenzelezz: DeafLead |
| 17:41.23 | mikma | so i was thinking about addon that's able to broadcast anything i query from my friend... would that be against all good in wow? |
| 17:41.55 | Thrae | CanYouHearMeNow is a little long for me. |
| 17:42.49 | haste | FollowTheLeader is basically just as long :p |
| 17:42.55 | zenzelezz | you already have several decent options; but if you want something short you could always go for "ListenUp" |
| 17:42.58 | mikma | like so: /query friend IsResting() |
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| 17:43.07 | mikma | then he would broadcast the reply to me |
| 17:43.08 | Thrae | haste: That's why I didn't pick it |
| 17:43.17 | Thrae | haste: And it also contains less camelization |
| 17:43.17 | Cloudwolf | happy valentines day |
| 17:43.36 | haste | WhatIsThisCamelCaseYouSpeakOff! |
| 17:44.17 | Cloudwolf | its the case of smoking camels |
| 17:44.19 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
| 17:45.07 | Thrae | I still like "AntiVentdom". The entire idea is to help people who can't/won't do Vent. |
| 17:45.59 | Thrae | What was I doing? Right -- fixing gvim on Vista |
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| 17:47.32 | mikma | thrae: what will the addon to actually? |
| 17:48.14 | Thrae | mikma: Well, for one, it's not for WoW ;) |
| 17:48.40 | mikma | then it sucks |
| 17:48.43 | mikma | continue. |
| 17:49.10 | Thrae | mikma: WAR doesn't have Warband (Raid) Leader highlighting and stuff like that, so I'm starting with that. |
| 17:49.55 | mikma | thrae: needs more cool developers like WoW :I |
| 17:50.10 | mikma | my friend returned to WoW from WAR when wotlk hit stores |
| 17:50.27 | mikma | kinda cool, since i lured him into the same server i am and we superboosted him to lvl80 |
| 17:50.42 | Thrae | Aiiane is pretty cool. She's like WAR's cladhaire. |
| 17:50.59 | mikma | lol :) |
| 17:52.21 | Thrae | mikma: Like I said, I want to make TinyTip v4.0. |
| 17:52.22 | Cloudwolf | threa: is this game you speak of already out or coming out? or are you making it? |
| 17:52.34 | Thrae | Cloudwolf: What? WAR is Warhammer Online. |
| 17:52.39 | Cloudwolf | ah |
| 17:52.43 | mikma | thrae: yeah but you can't do that if you play war hehe :) |
| 17:52.44 | Cloudwolf | how is it? |
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| 17:52.58 | Cloudwolf | i wish they had a demo i could try lol |
| 17:53.02 | mikma | it's THE GREATEST GAME EVER after WoW |
| 17:53.22 | Thrae | mikma: I have enough time for both the way I play. Get my PvP fix on WAR, get my PvE fix on WoW |
| 17:53.42 | Thrae | I mostly play just with friends on WoW anyway. Never was hardcore. |
| 17:54.19 | mikma | i'm not playing HC either, just random pug-naxx10/25 and pvp |
| 17:55.26 | Thrae | Yeah, WoW's PvP gets very frustrating after playing a game like DAoC or WAR. While they definitely aren't perfect, WoW just doesn't do it well at all. |
| 17:56.08 | zenzelezz | what does WoW get wrong? (I don't do PvP) |
| 17:56.50 | Thrae | zenzelezz: If you don't PvP a lot and have played other games to compare, it would be very hard to explain. |
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| 17:57.15 | zenzelezz | I see =) |
| 17:57.41 | zenzelezz | I've never been into PvP in any game. WoW just *seemed* decent to me from what friends said, and based on generally gameplay |
| 17:57.41 | mikma | thrae: oh WoW pvp.. it's ruined now :I |
| 17:57.46 | zenzelezz | but then I came from Anarchy Online |
| 17:57.52 | mikma | i've seen priests with 1k+ resilience.. pff |
| 17:58.11 | Thrae | I can tell you one problem with WoW is that the BGs and Arenas are pretty unbalanced by those that ARE hardcore about PvP and just casual players. |
| 17:58.19 | Cloudwolf | wow has scrued over healing vs casting gear |
| 17:58.30 | Thrae | zenzelezz: DAoC and Guild Wars are better reading material |
| 17:59.06 | Cloudwolf | i was considering Age of Conan looked kinda fun especialy needing to press more than 1 key to get succsesfull attacks |
| 17:59.21 | Thrae | Conan started out with a good idea then went horribly wrong. |
| 17:59.41 | Cloudwolf | I never bought it |
| 17:59.45 | zenzelezz | actually, you don't need more than one key to get a successful attack in Conan... but to get successful and powerful combos, you do |
| 17:59.52 | Cloudwolf | ive been ending up going back to my first person shooter games lol |
| 17:59.56 | cbreak | http://www.nickm.com/if/emshort/galatea.html is reading material... :) |
| 18:00.18 | Cloudwolf | to me wow is fun in short spirts |
| 18:00.22 | Thrae | Anyway, the main problem with WoW vs DAoC vs Guild Wars vs WAR is that, as said, when people talk about WoW, they talk about gear and stats and stuff like that. It's all very EQ-oriented; exactly the wrong way to look at PvP. |
| 18:00.23 | Cloudwolf | for about 3 months its fun |
| 18:00.29 | Cloudwolf | then i gota take like a 2 month break from playing |
| 18:00.40 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online is pretty far from a perfect MMO, but in some ways it keeps shouting out to me still. Might just be because it was the first MMO I played |
| 18:00.59 | Cloudwolf | lol perfect example of gear+stats TWINKS! |
| 18:01.03 | Thrae | Most people just want to jump into PvP and feel like they can contribute something at least most of the time. WAR generally gives you that, and that's what a lot of people find fun. |
| 18:01.12 | Cloudwolf | if you don't have remotley good gear in pvp and your vsing a twink YOUR DOOMED |
| 18:01.35 | Thrae | Even vs twinks in WAR, you still have Bolster |
| 18:01.50 | Thrae | That and gear selection sucks compared to WoW |
| 18:01.52 | zenzelezz | one of the fun aspects of AO was the items requiring actual skill levels to equip and use; lead to big number-crunching games (which I for one found fun) |
| 18:01.55 | Cloudwolf | there was an mmo i loved cus it was only pvp |
| 18:01.59 | Cloudwolf | Fury |
| 18:02.07 | Cloudwolf | but it has kinda died |
| 18:02.14 | Cloudwolf | they weren't able to keep their servers up |
| 18:02.17 | Thrae | zenzelezz: I hate it when I need to grind more then one thing |
| 18:03.04 | Cloudwolf | Thrae did you ever try fury? |
| 18:03.05 | zenzelezz | you never really needed to, it was only if you wanted to squeeze into something a little better than usual |
| 18:03.20 | Thrae | Cloudwolf: Nope. |
| 18:03.38 | Thrae | I don't have a lot of time to go MMO shopping besides the major ones. |
| 18:03.41 | zenzelezz | YOU STOLE MY FUCKING CLOUDSONG! |
| 18:03.41 | Cloudwolf | Heres what it was in a quick example there were about 8 classes but no class was rigid |
| 18:03.49 | zenzelezz | (sorry, your name reminds me of that clip) |
| 18:03.50 | Cloudwolf | you could make a mut of every single class if you so chose |
| 18:03.53 | Cloudwolf | or you could go pure |
| 18:04.00 | Cloudwolf | all gear was gained through pvp |
| 18:04.02 | Cloudwolf | same with levels |
| 18:04.14 | Cloudwolf | you ranked up by the better you did and took on harder openents |
| 18:04.23 | Cloudwolf | there was no mana specific spells gained charges |
| 18:04.27 | Thrae | Cloudwolf: Yeah, that sounds like WAR. Very good class balance and the best gear is from RvR. |
| 18:04.27 | Cloudwolf | and other spells used charges |
| 18:04.52 | Thrae | Maybe WAR used some ideas from Fury, since they don't have mana either. You all use AP + Mechanic Points (if you class has them). |
| 18:05.02 | Cloudwolf | im sad that they had to bring down the servers on fury :( i think there trying to bring it back up in a couple months to try again |
| 18:06.28 | Cloudwolf | also it as set up as a fps pvp |
| 18:06.31 | Cloudwolf | if you werne't aimed at them |
| 18:06.33 | Cloudwolf | you missed |
| 18:06.57 | Cloudwolf | unlike how missing is normaly just a chance |
| 18:07.22 | Cloudwolf | http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=unleash+the+fury+pvp&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=unleash+the+fury+gameplay&hl=en&emb=0 |
| 18:07.43 | Cloudwolf | lol start is random |
| 18:07.50 | Cloudwolf | :P |
| 18:08.31 | Cloudwolf | the graphics in unleash the fury were insane though XD |
| 18:12.14 | Cloudwolf | i miss it so much :( cus you could play for free no monthly costs |
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| 18:13.43 | cbreak | the only PvP I liked was Deus Ex 1. |
| 18:14.04 | cbreak | stealthing around, placing grenades everywhere, hacking static defenses... that's true pvp :D |
| 18:14.23 | Cloudwolf | i find wows pvp boring 1 its based on gear 2 its based on almost never missing a shot |
| 18:14.39 | Cloudwolf | hey look im auto shooting and hitting him 99/100 times XD |
| 18:15.33 | cbreak | wow's pvp seems to be based on class matchups |
| 18:15.40 | Cloudwolf | that too |
| 18:15.59 | Cloudwolf | im too cheap to pay for 2 15 a month games... |
| 18:16.20 | Tekkub | I hate pvp because it encouraged twitchy ADHD children instead of real strategy |
| 18:16.59 | Cloudwolf | i find pve too boring or repetative |
| 18:17.06 | Cloudwolf | like instances |
| 18:17.15 | Fisker- | Tekkub |
| 18:17.22 | Cloudwolf | in pvp you don't know whats going to happen everything changes depending on whom you play against |
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| 18:21.31 | Cloudwolf | afk |
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| 18:34.18 | Cloudwolf | mooo |
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| 18:49.09 | Shirik | rawr |
| 18:55.33 | cog|away | Why does The Trammps' Disco Inferno from the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack come up when I search for Green Day in iTunes? |
| 18:55.56 | Cloudwolf | cus itunes is fucking stupid |
| 18:56.09 | Cloudwolf | and a crappy music databse |
| 18:56.22 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: check the metadata? |
| 18:56.40 | NightHawkTheSane | or do you mean iTMS? |
| 18:59.30 | cogwheel | Composer Leroy Green/Ron Kersey |
| 18:59.35 | cogwheel | >< |
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| 19:23.43 | cogwheel | Shirik: ping |
| 19:23.48 | cogwheel | (or anyone with msdn) |
| 19:23.49 | Shirik | no, gtfo |
| 19:23.54 | Shirik | what's up : |
| 19:23.55 | *** part/#wowuidev cogwheel (n=cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel) |
| 19:23.55 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:23.58 | Shirik | :( |
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| 19:24.05 | Shirik | <3 |
| 19:24.18 | cogwheel | can you get to your downloads? |
| 19:24.49 | Shirik | "Sorry, we were unable to service your request." |
| 19:25.00 | cogwheel | moo |
| 19:25.01 | Shirik | is that what you're getting? |
| 19:25.04 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 19:25.10 | Shirik | so there's your answer :P |
| 19:25.15 | cogwheel | umm... anyone have a winxp home iso? >< |
| 19:25.28 | Shirik | well it'll probably be fixed soon |
| 19:25.33 | Shirik | that's not a site they'd let stay down for very long |
| 19:25.40 | cogwheel | true |
| 19:26.26 | nevcairiel | its MS |
| 19:26.44 | nevcairiel | sadly, i only have xp pro images =P |
| 19:27.13 | cogwheel | hmm... actually i could probably use my xp pro... just need the recovery console |
| 19:29.35 | Shirik | yes you can then |
| 19:29.47 | Shirik | or you could be a man and get windows 7 |
| 19:29.56 | nevcairiel | recovery console never really helped me much |
| 19:30.12 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i encountered too many bugs in win7 for my taste of permanent usage =P |
| 19:30.22 | Shirik | I had one |
| 19:30.34 | Fisker- | i'll have some hate |
| 19:30.38 | nevcairiel | For one, aero broke down on a regular basis when i alt-tabbed out of WoW |
| 19:30.47 | nevcairiel | that was mighty annoying |
| 19:30.50 | Fisker- | your computer sucks |
| 19:31.02 | Fisker- | which means you have something in common with your computer |
| 19:31.03 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 19:35.28 | cogwheel | i have windows 7... working on someone else's comp |
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| 19:36.44 | Stanzilla | build 7000 on my desktop and 7032 on my notebook :> |
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| 19:44.50 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 19:44.59 | cogwheel | immediate reboot after starting recovery console... |
| 19:46.24 | Shirik | that means something's REALLY fubared |
| 19:46.44 | zenzelezz | no wai, instant recovery! |
| 19:47.39 | cogwheel | is xp home a legal upgrade path for xp pro upgrade? |
| 19:50.11 | cogwheel | (yes) |
| 19:53.18 | Shirik | every time I type reboot, my computer restarts |
| 19:53.24 | Shirik | how to dix? |
| 19:53.34 | Shirik | fix |
| 19:53.46 | Lukian | Shiibot, seems it doesn't, you just typed it :p |
| 19:54.03 | amro | Shirik: rm -rf / |
| 19:54.13 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.14 | amro | that should nuke reboot as well |
| 19:54.45 | Lukian | amro, rm -rf /sbin/reboot |
| 19:54.48 | Lukian | you mean? :p |
| 19:55.07 | Shirik | why would you -r reboot? |
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| 19:55.21 | NightHawkTheSane | all the cool kids -rf everything |
| 19:55.25 | Lukian | :D |
| 19:55.35 | zenzelezz | all the cool kids alias rm to rm -rf anyway |
| 19:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | alias rm="`which rm` -rf" |
| 19:56.20 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | speaking of being evil |
| 19:56.48 | ScytheBlade1 | A professor left his .htpasswd with the wrong permissions |
| 19:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Now where did good ol' john get off to.. |
| 19:58.36 | Shirik | that's ok |
| 19:58.42 | Shirik | IT committed the passwd file to our SVN server |
| 19:58.56 | nevcairiel | never to be deleted again, ha |
| 19:59.07 | Shirik | I was sitting here like "wtf is all this conf, hooks, locks on our server" |
| 19:59.08 | amro | it's nice to track passwd changes |
| 19:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:59.11 | Shirik | "Wait a second..." |
| 19:59.22 | Shirik | then I opened up conf, saw svnserve.conf, passwd, authz |
| 19:59.24 | Shirik | fun stuff |
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| 21:03.22 | cogwheel | hmmm... anyone know what usb support is like under virtual pc 07 or vmware? |
| 21:03.45 | cogwheel | or more specifically... can they access bluetooth devices? |
| 21:04.25 | ccox | I've tried USB memory sticks, and a few peripherals - but I haven't tried USB bluetooth adapters |
| 21:04.44 | ccox | vmware got me the most reliable results |
| 21:05.06 | cogwheel | did you need the vmware tools for windows or would the default windows installation work? |
| 21:05.25 | Shirik | I'm pretty evil, I think |
| 21:05.37 | ccox | I always install the vmware tools, since I need to do some drive sharing among many images |
| 21:05.41 | ccox | Shirik: we know |
| 21:05.42 | Shirik | I asked someone why they left their old guild in an application, and they responded in kind, along with "Good question, though" |
| 21:05.52 | Shirik | So I say "If you want to see a good question... try this on for size" |
| 21:05.57 | Shirik | "You are cooking dinner for your significant other, 14 year old child, and toddler, when you hear glass break in the other room. Rushing over to see what happened, you notice 3 armed burglars entering your house. You gather your family and rush to hide in the attic. Just as they are leaving, your toddler begins to cry. You know that if she continues, the burglars will find you and slaughter your entire family. The only item you see in the att |
| 21:06.03 | Shirik | hm that get cut off? |
| 21:06.27 | foxlit | "item you see in the att" |
| 21:06.41 | Shirik | The only item you see in the attic you see is a rope which you can use to strangle your toddler to death, silencing her and sparing your family. What do you do?" |
| 21:07.11 | ccox | pull the 45 out of my holser, and down the 3 burglers |
| 21:07.31 | ccox | while my wife covers with her 9 mil |
| 21:08.14 | Shirik | your wife has a 9 mil with her? |
| 21:08.17 | foxlit | If there's a binary choice between kill the child and others survive, and killing everyone involved, it's a relatively easy decision |
| 21:08.18 | ccox | duh |
| 21:08.31 | Shirik | foxlit: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? |
| 21:08.51 | ccox | the other answer: put my hand over the baby's mouth, or keep looking for other options |
| 21:09.05 | foxlit | It doesn't really matter since the baby dies regardless |
| 21:09.16 | Shirik | (1) Not quiet enough, and (2) no time to look |
| 21:09.24 | ccox | foxlit - but that assumes that the choice is truly binary |
| 21:09.31 | ccox | foxlit - those choices are rarely binary |
| 21:09.31 | Shirik | I asked this question for 2 years in my old guild, I know every workaround response :) |
| 21:09.56 | Shirik | In all honesty, when I ask this question, I'm not actually looking for the answer, I'm looking for the form in which it's responded |
| 21:10.04 | foxlit | ccox: if it isn't, the question has an infinite set of answers that cannot be ranked in order of validitiy |
| 21:10.11 | foxlit | s/iy/y/ |
| 21:10.39 | ccox | c) punch through the roofing or siding and escape |
| 21:10.47 | foxlit | I suggest the following modification: "But the burglars are highly moral and would never kill a toddler." |
| 21:10.49 | Shirik | You live in a brick house |
| 21:10.58 | Shirik | That's an interesting twist, foxlit |
| 21:11.10 | ccox | Shirik - the roofing is rarely that strong |
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| 21:11.20 | Shirik | I'm not that strong :( |
| 21:11.27 | ccox | well, that's just you |
| 21:13.10 | Shirik | My other question is a bit more amusing |
| 21:13.22 | Shirik | it involves a very large man that you can push in front of a train to stop it |
| 21:13.27 | Shirik | I'm not really sure where that came from |
| 21:18.36 | Adys | er |
| 21:18.37 | Adys | hold on |
| 21:18.58 | Adys | if you start strangling the baby I bet it's going to cry louder |
| 21:19.01 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to |
| 21:19.18 | Thunder_Child | no Adys |
| 21:19.29 | Thunder_Child | it has to route for the air to take |
| 21:19.34 | Thunder_Child | s/to/no/ |
| 21:19.38 | amro | foxlit: highly moral burglars? eh? |
| 21:19.50 | Adys | he raises a valid point |
| 21:19.53 | Adys | burglary != murder |
| 21:20.40 | foxlit | amro: apparently-self-contradictory concepts make for fun ethics questions |
| 21:21.11 | Adys | you dont need to be moral not to spare lives when you're just robbing a house |
| 21:21.12 | amro | it's not an ethics question. in any case anyone in that situation wouldn't have time to think to strangle the toddler |
| 21:21.15 | Adys | you need to be sane |
| 21:21.26 | foxlit | In shirik's original choice, it's just weighing your life against your conscience. |
| 21:21.44 | foxlit | (and possibly the lives of others, too) |
| 21:21.54 | Adys | What Im wondering is |
| 21:21.59 | Shirik | Adys: Burglary is not robbing |
| 21:22.08 | Adys | right |
| 21:22.15 | Adys | <- french speaker |
| 21:22.18 | Adys | same thing in french |
| 21:22.24 | foxlit | amro: contrived situations are contrived. |
| 21:22.29 | amro | cambrioleurs meurtriers |
| 21:22.30 | Shirik | Burglary just means they're breaking into your house |
| 21:22.38 | Shirik | in English at least |
| 21:22.57 | amro | it usually involves theft of some kind |
| 21:22.58 | Adys | What Im wondering is |
| 21:23.15 | amro | "I'd like to report a burglary. No, they didn't take anything, they just ruined my carpet." |
| 21:23.19 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:23.27 | Adys | BURGLARRYYYY |
| 21:23.35 | Adys | I'D LIKE TO REPORT A BUR-GLA-RY |
| 21:23.35 | amro | monty python ftw |
| 21:23.38 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 21:23.39 | Shirik | Anywa, in my original question it had specified a reason you have to believe they'll kill you all |
| 21:23.45 | Shirik | Unfortunately I've lost that version |
| 21:23.53 | Shirik | and had to come up with this on the lfy |
| 21:23.55 | Shirik | fly* |
| 21:24.01 | foxlit | Adys, will we ever find out what you're wondering? |
| 21:24.06 | foxlit | Or is your mind like Godot? :) |
| 21:24.11 | Adys | if you shut up |
| 21:24.11 | amro | Shirik: yeah I see what you're trying to get people to think about, there isn't much point in nitpicking the details... but I nitpick anyway :P |
| 21:24.12 | Shirik | godot? |
| 21:24.31 | ccox | We're still waiting for him to arrive |
| 21:24.44 | amro | is Godot a character from DNF? |
| 21:24.59 | amro | oh wait nevermind, nobody's -waiting- for DNF |
| 21:25.19 | Adys | why go through all the trouble to put a flawed example on a concept so simple as that one, when you can just say "In a life-threatening situation, would you kill your toddler, sparing your family, or do nothing, and look very stupid" |
| 21:25.22 | ccox | or maybe http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buck.html |
| 21:26.07 | amro | Adys: yeah, but the problem still stands- it's not something you can decide theoretically |
| 21:26.25 | amro | unless you've been in a similar situation, you can't tell what you'll decide on the spot |
| 21:26.54 | Adys | as a matter of fact I don't have any kid left |
| 21:26.54 | Shirik | We also used to have speed rounds during our application |
| 21:26.56 | foxlit | amro: Replace "would" with "do" |
| 21:27.00 | Shirik | we'd have a live in-game question |
| 21:27.05 | foxlit | What _do_ you do? |
| 21:27.43 | bleeter | kill the family, hide the gun, claim the insurance, retire to the carribean /shrug |
| 21:27.48 | amro | foxlit: still doesn't fix it, I don't have armed burglars in my house and the associated adrenaline rush |
| 21:28.12 | Shirik | Interestingly enough, there's a Star Trek: Voyager episode about something like this |
| 21:28.22 | foxlit | It's the unpanicked thought process that's interesting, not what you'd actually do if that ever happened. |
| 21:28.24 | Adys | amro: what's your address? |
| 21:28.38 | amro | 123 Fake St. |
| 21:28.52 | Adys | my country's worse |
| 21:28.53 | bleeter | Shirik: there's also several dozen courses at your local military school about it ;) |
| 21:29.04 | Shirik | Two equally-ranked ensigns are wounded. In 30 minutes (the time it will take to perform the required operation) they will die. |
| 21:29.28 | foxlit | Shirik: whichever one you get to first |
| 21:29.30 | amro | foxlit: not to me, I find it irrelevant |
| 21:29.34 | Shirik | The doctor chooses one. His AI then proceeds to crash after the other one dies because he cannot comprehend the fact that he made a decision purely arbitrary |
| 21:29.36 | Shirik | Exactly, foxlit |
| 21:30.29 | Adys | import math; math.random() ? |
| 21:30.49 | foxlit | No |
| 21:30.53 | amro | it's import random; thus both would die if it were you |
| 21:30.55 | foxlit | The answer is clearly to pcall your AI routines |
| 21:31.33 | Thunder_Child | not quite Shirik |
| 21:31.45 | Shirik | I'm trying to look up the episode |
| 21:31.50 | Shirik | I know I butchered it |
| 21:32.06 | Thunder_Child | he crashed because he didnt do it arbatrarily |
| 21:32.14 | Thunder_Child | he chose the one he knew |
| 21:32.17 | Thunder_Child | ensign kim |
| 21:33.08 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 21:33.09 | Shirik | I missed that |
| 21:33.13 | Ackis | he didn't crash he went crazy and they erased his memory |
| 21:33.14 | Shirik | What was the deal with the nuts then |
| 21:33.23 | Shirik | Ackis: Then when he "relearned" |
| 21:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | it turns out that calling loadstring() on a 150-megabyte string can take a while :( |
| 21:33.26 | Adys | ~nuts Shirik |
| 21:33.30 | Shirik | and they erased his memory because of the problems |
| 21:33.38 | Shirik | by "crash" I meant unable to function |
| 21:33.49 | Shirik | He went on to some spiel about how he chose a nut because it was closest to him |
| 21:33.56 | Ackis | so I've been slamming my head into the wall for the last hour or so trying to get an icon to show up with astrolabe |
| 21:33.58 | Shirik | when he was in the cafeteria |
| 21:34.05 | Thunder_Child | i know, i remember |
| 21:35.35 | amro | Ackis: I dunno, but I think you're supposed to write code rather than attempt to crack your skull. :/ |
| 21:35.56 | Ackis | amro: I have such a thick skull I'm damaging the wall :( |
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| 21:37.29 | Thunder_Child | eh, i cant seem to find the ep Shirik |
| 21:37.41 | Shirik | yeah, I'm looking through the descriptions of all of them now |
| 21:37.43 | Shirik | starting from the last |
| 21:37.52 | Shirik | I've gone through 2 seasons so far, 5 to go :P |
| 21:38.49 | amro | grep ftw? |
| 21:39.20 | Shirik | "Reactivated after lying inactive for 700 years, a backup version of The Doctor tries to uncover the truth about war crimes supposedly committed by Voyager when they passed a planet centuries ago." |
| 21:39.21 | bleeter | ack > grep |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | That's not it, right? |
| 21:39.27 | Shirik | I don't remember that / |
| 21:39.28 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 21:39.37 | Thunder_Child | thats with the fight between 2 factions |
| 21:39.42 | Thunder_Child | each has a diff story |
| 21:39.56 | Thunder_Child | voyager tries to mediate |
| 21:39.56 | Thunder_Child | etc. |
| 21:40.19 | Shirik | ooh |
| 21:40.21 | Shirik | one of my favorite episodes |
| 21:40.24 | Shirik | "The omega directive" |
| 21:40.31 | Thunder_Child | yes, i love that one |
| 21:40.46 | Thunder_Child | i wonder what would happen if that comes up in combat |
| 21:41.25 | zenzelezz | your UI would lock up and the tank would die |
| 21:41.30 | Shirik | pretty much |
| 21:41.43 | Thunder_Child | nice crossover zenzelezz |
| 21:42.22 | amro | bleeter: man ack gives me "ack - Kanji code converter" |
| 21:42.56 | bleeter | amro: http://petdance.com/ack/ |
| 21:43.34 | Ackis | http://paste.wowace.com/276/ <-- is my icon code "correct" so to speak? |
| 21:43.36 | zenzelezz | ack is nice for many cases, but grep is still better for some |
| 21:43.42 | amro | "Install the CPAN module" oh god no, how can they even suggest CPAn |
| 21:43.51 | Thunder_Child | ok,...lvl 5 girl with lvl 68 bunny needs to get home and cant take the damn raod |
| 21:44.23 | zenzelezz | TC: heh, yeah... that confused me too |
| 21:44.39 | bleeter | what's even more annoying can't kill mr floppy as horde |
| 21:44.46 | bleeter | tried that outta revenge, don't work |
| 21:45.58 | amro | blizzard is just taunting our inability to tell the stupid kid where to go |
| 21:46.29 | zenzelezz | Blizzard just likes annoying escorts... like the druid in Darkshore |
| 21:47.17 | amro | that one isn't so bad actually, since you need to run down to maestra's anyway |
| 21:47.42 | amro | and he follows you around so you can stop to heal |
| 21:47.43 | zenzelezz | it's annoying because you have to wake him up all the time |
| 21:48.01 | amro | it's still far better than the inverse to escort Feero Ironhand to auberdine |
| 21:48.06 | amro | from maestra's |
| 21:48.17 | haste | zenzelezz: or the goblin in un'goro |
| 21:48.26 | zenzelezz | (and also, those packs of three furbolgs were always hard for me when I did the quest) |
| 21:48.29 | amro | or the elf in feralas |
| 21:48.58 | amro | they were usually hard for me, but the last time I did it (as mage) it was super easy |
| 21:49.57 | bleeter | most escorts are dang easy because of latency. 'oh look the npc I'm escorting has stopped dead in it's tracks for over a second... mobs must be about to spawn' |
| 21:50.59 | amro | most say "be on your guard", but unfortunately that doesn't buff you enough to fight off 3 mobs |
| 21:51.05 | amro | especially at lower levels |
| 21:51.21 | zenzelezz | let's not forget the turtle escort in Tanaris |
| 21:51.23 | bleeter | mind you, most escorts where the npc decides it needs protection and then takes off by itself can go screw themselves. as an RP player, screw'em |
| 21:51.28 | zenzelezz | easy, but takes forever |
| 21:52.02 | Thunder_Child | i think escort quests have the programing to go through the largest cluster of mobs they can find on their path |
| 21:52.03 | amro | bleeter: indeed, few of them make any sense |
| 21:52.42 | amro | it's annoying when you have the foresight to clear the area of mobs, but the NPC spends 5 hours lecturing you and stretching, and they respawn |
| 21:53.16 | amro | oh like Prospector Remtravel in darkshore |
| 21:53.23 | amro | "oh wait it's not here lulz" |
| 21:53.34 | bleeter | remtravel kinda works 'coz he's an idiot ;) |
| 21:53.41 | bleeter | but in general I'd agree |
| 21:53.57 | Thunder_Child | then the one in searing gorge |
| 21:54.18 | Thunder_Child | and loch modon |
| 21:58.34 | foxlit | Felwood escort > you |
| 21:58.39 | foxlit | Until they cut it down, of course :( |
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| 22:09.49 | AbsolutRayne | Ding, 3rd 80 |
| 22:09.51 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 22:10.20 | zenzelezz | slacker |
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| 22:22.52 | End | uh so...bag of candies come from the gift of adorations, right? |
| 22:24.09 | amro | aren't they given by the old man in the van? |
| 22:24.27 | End | hm |
| 22:24.29 | End | maybe |
| 22:24.46 | Saeris | Did they up the drop rate on black dresses? |
| 22:24.52 | Saeris | I've gotten four so far. |
| 22:27.17 | Ackis | I haven't got a single one |
| 22:27.36 | zenzelezz | maybe Saeris just looks good in black dresses |
| 22:27.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Some people in my guild have gotten upwards of 8 |
| 22:32.16 | kd3 | blah |
| 22:32.23 | kd3 | I still need the black dress and the perma-peddle |
| 22:32.45 | kd3 | got the title a few days ago, but having achievements unearned is really annoying |
| 22:33.36 | kd3 | in other news, opengl3.0 in linux... wonder if wow'll use it? |
| 22:39.58 | amro | kd3: anything nice in 3.0, besides GLSL updates? |
| 22:40.23 | End | WTS black dress x4 |
| 22:41.48 | kd3 | yes! got a black dress |
| 22:41.53 | kd3 | wtb perma-peddle |
| 22:42.12 | Kalroth_ | hot! |
| 22:42.46 | haste | wtb bag of candies |
| 22:42.50 | End | ^ |
| 22:43.02 | End | I wish I could turn in horde gift collections for candies |
| 22:43.06 | End | seriously >:( |
| 22:43.11 | haste | I've gotten one so far |
| 22:43.17 | End | I've gotten two |
| 22:43.23 | haste | out of 30+ adorations |
| 22:43.27 | End | and NONE since they hotfixed it |
| 22:43.33 | haste | what?! |
| 22:43.50 | End | they hotfixed it to "up" the drop rate |
| 22:43.57 | haste | I got one earlier today |
| 22:43.58 | End | and I mysteriously stopped getting bags of candies |
| 22:43.58 | Saeris | for candies? |
| 22:43.59 | haste | that was my first |
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| 22:44.48 | Saeris | I still haven't gotten one |
| 22:44.48 | haste | and only |
| 22:44.48 | End | candies are terrible |
| 22:44.48 | haste | I have 5 baskets atm |
| 22:44.48 | End | 4 baskets, 4 dresses |
| 22:44.48 | haste | 2 dresses |
| 22:44.50 | End | I have over 40 unused rings on me now too |
| 22:45.00 | End | anyone need their heart unbroken? 8-) |
| 22:45.52 | haste | I have 60 :( |
| 22:46.04 | haste | too bad they only stack in 20s |
| 22:46.08 | End | yeah I know |
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| 22:46.21 | haste | and so many love fools :D |
| 22:46.39 | kd3 | wru perma-peddle? |
| 22:46.47 | End | I use love fools as soon as I get them usually |
| 22:46.59 | End | although I guess I'm up to 7 again |
| 22:54.15 | Duman | hmm |
| 22:55.33 | haste | make that 6 baskets |
| 23:00.23 | Fisker- | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 23:00.32 | Fisker- | why no invisble walls after the watcher in azjol-nerub :E |
| 23:01.28 | kd3 | you fall down the hole and die? |
| 23:05.47 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/fronds.jpg |
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| 23:15.45 | p3lim | event for when a player dies? |
| 23:15.58 | p3lim | (not just the player itself, but any unit) |
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| 23:17.38 | foxlit | combat log |
| 23:21.15 | Kirov | I've yet to get a black dress, or a perma peddlefeet. My first bag of candies I got all but one heart... 3 bags later I still need that one damn heart. |
| 23:22.10 | foxlit | lua> (1-7/8)^30*100 |
| 23:22.11 | lua_bot | foxlit: 8.0779356694632e-26 |
| 23:22.19 | foxlit | grats, kirov! |
| 23:22.28 | foxlit | or not |
| 23:22.35 | foxlit | lua> (1-(7/8)^30)*100 |
| 23:22.36 | lua_bot | foxlit: 98.179286590996 |
| 23:23.34 | Kirov | My fiance was complaining because she hadn't gotten anything the first day. She then got every heart from her first bag of candies, the dress, and the perma peddlefeet from three gifts in a row. |
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| 23:26.36 | Aquavette | lua> .99 ^ 400 |
| 23:26.36 | lua_bot | Aquavette: 0.017950553275045 |
| 23:27.13 | Aquavette | lua> (.99 ^ 123 ) * 100 |
| 23:27.13 | lua_bot | Aquavette: 29.048849430996 |
| 23:28.28 | Aquavette | is there a square root function in lua or do i have to take it too the 1/2 power? |
| 23:28.45 | Arrowmaster | lua> pp(math) |
| 23:28.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: { ["log"] = function: 0x806e4e8, ["atan"] = function: 0x806e298, ["acos"] = function: 0x806e1f0, ["pi"] = 3.1415926535898, ["ldexp"] = function: 0x806e478, ["exp"] = function: 0x806e3a0, ["atan2"] = function: 0x806e260, ["log10"] = function: 0x806e4b0, ["rad"] = function: 0x806e5e0, ["deg"] = functi... (result truncated) |
| 23:28.57 | Arrowmaster | too long |
| 23:29.04 | Aquavette | way too long... |
| 23:29.16 | End | lua> math.sqrt |
| 23:29.16 | lua_bot | End: function: 0x806e6e8 |
| 23:29.32 | Aquavette | what about nth root? |
| 23:29.57 | Arrowmaster | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-math.sqrt |
| 23:30.02 | Aquavette | ty |
| 23:30.15 | foxlit | use ^ |
| 23:31.00 | Thunder_Child | dont use, abuse |
| 23:32.23 | Aquavette | i didn't want to open my web browswer |
| 23:32.27 | Aquavette | was being lazy, sorry |
| 23:34.32 | Aquavette | hey atleast i admitted it |
| 23:36.18 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1350/waitwhatcg7.jpg |
| 23:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 23:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wikimaniacs.com/birds-dont-understand-sign-boards/ |
| 23:48.14 | Corrodias | most amusing |
| 23:49.34 | foxlit | why does fraps distort colors (badly)? |
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| 23:55.35 | kd3 | the color palate it's using to encode with is poorly-chosen? |
| 23:55.54 | foxlit | It uses a palette? |
| 23:56.13 | kd3 | presumably |
| 23:57.51 | kd3 | c'mon perma-peddle |
| 23:57.59 | kd3 | >.< |
| 23:59.25 | bleeter | huzzah! I have WoW NTFS working in Wine again... stupid bloody windows defreagger and (presumably) horrendously needlessly big .mpq's :/ |
| 23:59.41 | kd3 | ouch |
