IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090205

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00:05.46Cide-alestane: TypeError("can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'str'",)
00:05.56NeoTronI think it's a real pity that Blizzard failed in their "bring the player not the class" goal
00:06.09NeoTronwe have a super good player that we can't really bring because he's a shadow priest
00:06.21NeoTronand we already have two shadow priests
00:07.17alestaneThat's a better reason to not bring him because he's a shadow priest than because shadow priests are useless...there's a limit to how far you can stack ANYTHING, I don't think that indicates that they failed too badly.
00:07.51NeoTron3 of a class is not too many, really
00:07.54NeoTronand it does mean they failed
00:08.03NeoTronbecause a SP dps is so much lower you can't bring "the player"
00:08.25NeoTron4/5 of the DPS ~= within 5%
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00:09.23NeoTronunless arcane mages are currently broken and do too much dps..
00:10.00sacarascThe mages in my guild wouldn't agree with that
00:10.36NeoTronhttp://robit.info/sws/sws-patchwerk-1233725565/index.html
00:11.46NeoTronI don't think I really seen any SP do more than around 4500 DPS
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00:15.58SyzgynNeoTron: Our SPriests do crazy dps
00:16.24mikmaso, what's the absolutely best rune for dps? :I
00:16.49mikmacinderglacier or fallen crusader?
00:18.00Aquavettei like my arcane mage....... 6500 dps
00:18.10NeoTronSyzgyn: WWS/SWS? Any "Crazy dps SP's" I've seen.... does the same dps as ours :P
00:18.15NeoTronit's just that the rest of the DPS sucks
00:18.17Syzgynlemme see what I can find
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00:22.38SyzgynNeoTron: nevermind :V
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00:23.15Syzgynours does great overall dps, but alot of it is trash aoe
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00:27.35Shirik|Ecoleso I'm thinking about changing distros for my laptop
00:27.41Shirik|EcoleI like gentoo, but there's too much unsupported (like my graphics card)
00:28.00foxlithttps://www.cambeywest.com/subscribe/?p=wow&form=new is tempting
00:28.31Shirik|Ecolewhat is that foxlit?
00:28.40foxlithttp://www.dccomics.com/dcunlimited/wow/?action=the_comic
00:28.43kd3raah, I'm reminded why I don't give blood using apheresis machines all that often >.<
00:29.38Shirik|Ecolekernel panics never result in an automatic restart, right?
00:29.50kd3they shouldn't
00:30.30Shirik|EcoleI'm trying to figure thsi one out - I installed the ATI driver which also autoconfigures X. Whenever I run startx it now goes nuts. If I hit ctrl+alt+backspace my computer then restarts
00:30.38Shirik|Ecoleinstantly
00:31.03kd3so hit ctrl+alt+F2, log in and check the logs?
00:31.05NeoTronSyzgyn: which ours fail at
00:31.12SyzgynD:
00:31.25Shirik|Ecolecan't kd3
00:31.27Shirik|Ecoleno response
00:31.29Syzgynhow is that possible? Mind sear is op
00:31.50Shirik|EcoleI mean, I don't really care
00:31.54Shirik|EcoleI just want to know how it would be possible
00:32.07kd3reboot, add a 1 or a 3 to the end of the kernel line in grub, then check the X logs from the last try?
00:33.36Shirik|Ecolewhat's that do?
00:33.54kd3boots directly in to runlevel 1 or 3, neither of which will attempt to start X
00:33.56Shirik|EcoleI think kd3 knows too much
00:34.10Shirik|EcoleI don't start x on startup anyway :)
00:34.29kd31's the 'oh shit, single user mode. something's gone horribly wrong' level, 3's pretty much normal but doesn't start x
00:34.39Shirik|Ecoleyeah I know runlevels :P
00:35.29Shirik|Ecolethe real reason I'm asking is just that it seems that's something the OS shouldn't allow to happen
00:36.02Shirik|Ecole(And logs aren't going to tell me something like "hahaha found kernel bug, must go reboot system to exploit!")
00:36.02NeoTronSyzgyn: http://robit.info/sws/sws-trash-1233722744/index.html ..
00:37.20SyzgynNeoTron: http://wowwebstats.com/jgycphkzb12we?s=trash
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00:38.53NeoTronso I wonder if Boomkins also are limited to around 4500ish DPS on a patchwerk like fight
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01:02.44Cide-if you can't bring him because he does too little dps
01:02.44Cide-expect a buff
01:02.44Cide-or he's not as good a player as you say
01:04.10NeoTronCide-: I've never seen a shadow priest that does more than around 4500 dps on a single target fight
01:04.30NeoTronnor have I seen any example of boomkins doing noticebly higher
01:04.51NeoTronalthough I never claimed our boomkin was good :P
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01:10.55Thunder_Childckknight, is there no option to remove party during a raid in pitbull 4?
01:11.03ckknightnot currently
01:11.40Thunder_Childok
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01:27.01Adysgrr
01:27.03Adysconfigure: error: FreeType 32-bit development files not found. Fonts will not be built.
01:27.13Adyslibfreetype6-dev is already the newest version.
01:27.21kd3yah. 'yum install foo-*.i386' gets annoying
01:27.33Adysback on ubuntu actually
01:27.36Adysfedora didnt last long
01:27.48Adysbut its just started doing this since this ./configure
01:27.53Adysprolly forgot some flag, meh
01:27.54Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/75609534
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01:54.11mikmahoho, i have 13x +24 sta gems on my pvp gear
01:55.33LunessaMr. Aladdin sir, what will your pleasure be?  I'm in the mood to help you, dude.  You ain't never had a friend like me!
01:58.08kd3that scene of the genie getting big and scary still freaks me out at times
01:58.10kd3yay nightmare fuel
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02:03.39LunessaYou shouldn't eat all that spicy food before bed then. :)
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02:04.22LunessaOk, I'm out of here for the night.  Before something else blows up that will require me to manually correct hundreds of user accounts.
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02:20.02TewanExcuse the nick changes, was registering my other nick. ._.
02:30.37WobWorkhm
02:30.38WobWorkhttp://ifrogz.com/products.php?cat=446
02:30.38WobWorknice
02:30.48WobWork$35 only for all those options
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02:42.59NightHawkTheSaneUndying fucked up again. this time because someone was too slow getting off the platform on heigan. wee
02:43.07Syzgynlol
02:43.40WobWorkWell
02:43.44WobWorkYou can dance if you want to
02:43.49WobWorkYou can leave your friends behind =P
02:44.03WobWorkCause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
02:44.08WobWorkwell they're, no friends of mine =)
02:44.51WobWorkIt's one of the most utterly aptly named achievement ever =)
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02:45.49Temsshfs is the coolest thing ever
02:45.56Adysno
02:46.13Adystheres a couple of cooler things than sshfs
02:46.16Adysbut
02:46.19Adysi wont tell you what
02:46.24Temmeh
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02:56.35Shirik|EcoleIs it sad that I subconsiously optimize what I'm doing?
02:56.45Adysi find that great
02:56.55Shirik|EcoleFor example, I was sitting here as my laptop is booting and realize "Hey I need to plug in my laptop"
02:57.12Shirik|EcoleBut, knowing that it's inches away from asking me for my password, I wait for that, type in my password, then go to my bag and find the charger while it's loading
02:57.43Adysno really
02:57.45Adyseveryone does that
02:57.56Shirik|Ecole:(
03:00.14Shirik|Ecoleare you a guitar man?
03:00.24Adysnop
03:00.42Shirik|Ecoleoh
03:00.42Shirik|Ecoletoo bad
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03:22.26Shirik|EcoleI'm not sure, how, but I think I broke irssi
03:24.55Thunder_Childyou know Shirik|Ecole, i seem to point out everytime you break something so i have a fairly good idea when i say, STOP BREAKING SHIT!
03:26.34Shirik|Ecoleit's too much fun to break stuff
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03:30.15Shirik|EcoleI love my team; they really have no idea how to use svn
03:30.27Shirik|EcoleApparently one of the teams got an svn conflict
03:30.30Shirik|Ecoleso what do they do?
03:30.36Shirik|EcoleThey committed all 3 files to svn
03:30.43Shirik|Ecoleinstead of resolving the conflict ><
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03:31.30WobWorkThe "Oh, someone else will fix it" solution
03:31.46Shirik|Ecolewell what gets me is that you have to actually add the two .r* files before committin them
03:31.55Shirik|Ecoleso what did they do, go "wtf are these?" and commit them anyway?
03:32.03WobWorkstill easier than going through the difficult resolution
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03:42.58Thunder_Child*sigh* how did arcane go from the worst to the best dps spec
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03:46.06TemWhat's the convention in c++ for where to put stuff in code files?
03:46.17Temclass definitions
03:46.21Temstuff like that
03:46.53TemI remember there being some business about the prototypes of a class being in a .h
03:47.01Temand then the definitions of the methods in .cpp
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03:47.37TemShirik|Ecole,
03:47.44WobWorkthat's essentially what a header file is for
03:47.48Tem<Tem> What's the convention in c++ for where to put stuff in code files?
03:47.48Tem<Tem> class definitions
03:47.48Tem<Tem> stuff like that
03:47.48Tem<Tem> I remember there being some business about the prototypes of a class being in a .h
03:47.48Tem<Tem> and then the definitions of the methods in .cpp
03:47.48Shirik|Ecolesup Tem
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03:47.55Shirik|Ecoleyes
03:47.56Shirik|Ecolethat's right
03:48.00Tembut why?
03:48.02Temit's so messy
03:48.05Shirik|Ecolethe reason for that is because you can only define the functions once
03:48.20Tembut you can define the class more than once?
03:48.22Shirik|Ecoleif you put it in the header file, if multiple cpp files included that header file, the linker would complain about multiple copies of the function
03:48.27Shirik|Ecoleyes, because only the compiler cares about that
03:48.28Shirik|Ecolenot the linker
03:48.36Shirik|Ecolethe definition of the class doesn't actually become any code
03:48.43Temokay
03:48.45Temso
03:49.01Temhow do you prevent the .cpp from being loaded more than once?
03:49.13Shirik|Ecoleit should only ever be loaded once
03:49.18Shirik|Ecoleyou compile it once and that's it
03:49.19Temwho loads it?
03:49.25Shirik|Ecolethe compiler
03:49.30Shirik|EcoleI'm confused >.>
03:49.40Temthere has to be an include statement somewhere, doesn't there?
03:49.40Shirik|Ecolewhen you do "g++ <file>"
03:49.47Shirik|Ecoleno, you just compile that file
03:50.08Shirik|Ecoleyou compile the cpp file and then it becomes an object file
03:50.18Shirik|Ecolethen you specify all the object files to the linker and it makes it an executable
03:50.23Temand the linker takes it from there
03:50.31Temokay fine
03:50.36Shirik|Ecolenobody should ever include a cpp file
03:53.18Shirik|EcoleSo I'm installing kubuntu
03:53.21Shirik|EcoleI feel somewhat dirty
03:53.23TekkubBUT I WANT TO!
03:53.44Shirik|EcoleTekkub: I used to just specify to the linker to ignore multiply defined symbols
03:53.50Shirik|Ecoleyou can if you want to :P
03:54.05TekkubI haven't touched cpp in...
03:54.12Tekkubwhen did I drop out of school?
03:54.17Tekkub5 years ago?
03:54.31Shirik|Ecole:( C++ is your friend
03:54.51TemC++ is my unwilling servant
03:55.03Temmost definitely not my friend
03:55.18TemLua is my friend
03:55.23Shirik|Ecolehttp://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html
03:55.27Shirik|EcoleC++ would be Islam - It takes C and not only keeps all its laws, but adds a very complex new set of laws on top of it. It's so versatile that it can be used to be the foundation of anything, from great atrocities to beautiful works of art. Its followers are convinced that it is the ultimate universal language, and may be angered by those who disagree. Also, if you insult it or its founder, you'll probably be threatened with death by m
03:55.38Tekkubyea you have to beat it and whip it get it to do what you want
03:55.50Tekkublua you're like "bring me a soda" and it knows what kinda you want
03:55.58Shirik|Ecolethere's an entry for lua too
03:56.08Tekkubyea it called us wicans
03:56.13Endhow the fuck does malygos hit someone in the very back of the raid with his breath, but noone else?
03:56.13Thunder_Childi always wanted to be threatend to death by 'm'
03:56.14Shirik|Ecolehehe
03:56.14ZorbaTHutonly lua will also guess at it, and if it guesses wrong, you won't know until you take a drink of poison instead of soda :(
03:56.22Tekkuber, there's two 'c's aren't there?
03:56.27Shirik|Ecoleyes
03:56.29mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/bshit/ultimate_nakotesti.jpg
03:56.38mikmamight be nsfw, depends where you live
03:56.46Shirik|Ecolensfs?
03:56.50ZorbaTHutend, I knew one guy who was fuming about Malygos apparently hating him. he'd be standing in the middle of the DPS, supposedly safe, and somehow Malygos would smack him and only him with breath
03:56.51mikmasfs
03:57.03Tekkubnsfp
03:57.10Shirik|Ecolehaha
03:57.12Shirik|Ecolethat's awesome
03:57.12mikmayou and your penis
03:57.13Endyeah he hit a hunter in the back of the raid somehow
03:57.29Shirik|Ecoleomg
03:57.34Endwhich blew up the raid :P
03:57.35Shirik|Ecoleubuntu destroyed my beautiful grub config!
03:57.38Shirik|Ecolefu ubuntu!
03:57.42Shirik|Ecolefubuntu
03:57.43Shirik|Ecolehehe
03:58.01Tekkububunfu
03:58.05Endububububu
03:58.14Tekkubboobuntu
03:58.32Shirik|Ecolewow
03:58.36Shirik|Ecolethis is my first look at KDE 4
03:58.42Shirik|Ecoleit looks really shiny
03:58.48TekkubI'm usually lazy and just refer to it as "oob"
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04:02.47Temdear god I hate editing makefiles
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04:03.08TemI wish I could do this in java instead
04:03.22TemI'd have been done yesterday
04:03.37Shirik|Ecoleyou know
04:03.40Shirik|Ecolenetbeans does makefiles for you
04:03.42Shirik|Ecole>.> <.<
04:06.25Temthis makefile isn't mine
04:06.32Temand I'm afraid to tweak it
04:06.41Tembecause there's a high chance that I'll break something
04:13.54Shirik|Ecolemakefiles aren't too difficult
04:13.56Shirik|Ecolejust cryptic
04:15.55NightHawkTheSane>.> Any resto shaman around?
04:20.34Shirik|EcoleI like how ubuntu's grub editor refuses to let you put any OSes above Ubuntu
04:20.37Shirik|EcoleUbuntu has to be on top
04:22.51Adyseh?
04:23.04Adyswho edits grub with a gui anyway?
04:23.14Adysactually, who made a grub gui?
04:23.17Shirik|Ecolewell, my grub config was perfect until ubuntu decided to write over it
04:23.22Shirik|EcoleThat I did with a text editor!
04:23.48Thunder_ChildAdys, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB#GRUB_editors
04:23.50Adysyou can disable that
04:23.55Shirik|Ecoleas we all already know from my fun conversation this morning
04:24.51AdysThe following extra packages will be installed:
04:24.52Adys<PROTECTED>
04:24.54Adysyou fucking kidding me
04:25.02Adyswhy does it have to install yelp and shit ?
04:26.30Adysoh wow thats perfect
04:26.48Adysyou can setup a password for bootloader, rescue mode AND old boot options
04:26.51Adysbut it has to be the same one
04:28.26Thunder_Child"HDCP looks like an abbreviation for High Definition Child Porn to me"
04:28.35Adysit does
04:29.28Shirik|Ecoleokay, so I can't install flash on my computer because it's 64 bit
04:29.31Shirik|Ecolethat's pretty win
04:29.55Arrowmastertheres a 64bit flash
04:30.02Adysscrew flash
04:30.06Adysscrew it to all of its 64 bits
04:30.10Shirik|Ecoleonly ones I found were for 32 bits
04:30.17Shirik|Ecolefor linux *
04:30.20Adysand screw firefox too
04:30.24Thunder_ChildAdys, reign in the hate
04:30.42Adysi ended up installing firefox and flash under wine
04:30.52Adysuntil google finishes the work on chromium for linux
04:33.21Arrowmasterhttp://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
04:33.31Adysfuck that
04:33.40Adysflash64 is a failure
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04:41.23Iriello
04:45.08Shirik|Ecolehrm
04:47.21Shirik|EcolefafI just duplicated a Netbeans bug that I thought was due to Windows 7
04:48.07Arrowmasteryou are typing black boxes again
04:48.19Shirik|EcoleI am?
04:48.42Arrowmaster'faf???I just'
04:48.45Shirik|EcoleHow did we fix it last time :(
04:49.33Arrowmasterlast time it was your stupid mirc script trying to be smart and convert your quotes to perty ones
04:49.50Shirik|Ecolewell I'm on irssi right now
04:49.57Arrowmasterwhat did you type?
04:50.06Shirik|Ecoledid you see it now?
04:50.15Arrowmasterno
04:50.16Shirik|Ecoledo*
04:50.18Shirik|Ecolehm
04:50.22Shirik|Ecole23:47 <@Shirik|Ecole> I just duplicated a Netbeans bug that I thought was due to Windows 7
04:50.45Arrowmaster11:47:22p @(Shirik|Ecole) fafI just duplicated a Netbeans bug that I thought was due to Windows 7
04:51.03Shirik|Ecolelooks fine to me o.o
04:51.10Arrowmaster......
04:51.20Arrowmasteranybody else here?
04:51.43ZorbaTHutyeah, I see the faf as well
04:51.48Arrowmastersomebody else want to point out the differences between the two lines we just pasted
04:51.49ZorbaTHut(plus boxes)
04:52.14ZorbaTHuteither the irc servers are borked, or something's wrong on shirik's end
04:52.17Arrowmasterwe see text Shirik|Ecole doesnt
04:53.05Arrowmasterhmm what character is that?
04:53.12Adys007f
04:53.16Adys3 times
04:53.29Arrowmasterrofl
04:56.33AdysIm on a sickening wikipedia-spree
04:56.40AdysI think I'm around 60-70 jumps or so
04:57.33Adysstarted somewhere around qt4 article a while ago, reading stuff on mars' terraformation now
04:57.55Shirik|Ecolefun
04:58.57ArrowmasterShirik|Ecole can you read this?
04:59.26Shirik|Ecoleno
04:59.31Shirik|Ecoleis just a blank line
04:59.33Adysshirikfails
04:59.36Arrowmasterhaha
04:59.38Shirik|Ecolewtf
04:59.41Shirik|Ecolewhat just happened
04:59.54Shirik|Ecole23:58 < Arrowmaster> Shirik|Ecole can you read
04:59.54Shirik|Ecole23:59 <@Shirik|Ecole> no
04:59.54Shirik|Ecole23:59 <@Shirik|Ecole> is just a blank line
04:59.54Shirik|Ecolefails
04:59.55AdysmIRC happened
04:59.58Shirik|Ecolesorry for spam
05:00.09Shirik|Ecoleand no, that's irssi
05:00.12Adysah.
05:00.31Shirik|Ecoleand that "fails" really did pop up as a line after I typed
05:00.36ZorbaTHuttrying to hide from shirik
05:00.38Shirik|Ecolewas that in yours? :P
05:00.38Adysshiriksucks gigantic sexual devices
05:00.46Shirik|Ecole....
05:01.08Shirik|EcoleArrowmaster is so strange
05:01.13Adysits me doing that
05:01.15Arrowmasterdoes that make a sound?
05:01.29Shirik|Ecoleer, sorry, Adys
05:01.40AdysShirik|Ecole: Do you like my gigantic sexual device?
05:01.48Shirik|Ecoleyes yes
05:01.49Shirik|EcoleI do
05:01.59AdysI need this quotebot
05:03.09Adyspurl: wowiquotes is <reply>http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes
05:03.11purlokay, Adys
05:04.37Arrowmasterlol?
05:04.41Adys?
05:04.50EndI'll KL you
05:04.54Arrowmasterthat caused something unexpected
05:05.49Adyserh?.
05:06.08Arrowmastertwo people sent notices to me when i pasted that
05:06.23Adysright
05:06.53Arrowmasteroh yeah thats right, thats the character that triggers a ctcp
05:07.14AdysVERSION Linkinus 1.3 (build 12301), Linkinus Agent (build 6175)
05:07.15Adysboth
05:07.23Arrowmasteri was just trying to figure out if i could break Shirik any more
05:07.30ckknightwhat's going on?
05:07.35Adysckknight: cide is going on
05:07.58Arrowmasterckknight: your client is broken, but Shirik is broken in a much funnier way
05:08.30ckknighthow is my client broken?
05:08.32Endwhat did Shirik's do?
05:08.48Adysckknight: it replies to ctcp when sent directly in a chan
05:08.53Adyscf above
05:08.55ArrowmasterShirik's deletes a character when we send him a \127
05:09.04Endhaha
05:10.36Arrowmaster<@Shirik|Ecole> I fail
05:10.45Adyslol
05:12.49Shirik|Ecoleyou guys are confusing me
05:12.57Arrowmasterhaha
05:13.10Arrowmasterwhat terminal are you running irssi in?
05:13.28Shirik|Ecoleputty
05:13.34Arrowmasteroh really?
05:13.42Shirik|Ecoleyes
05:13.49Adyscan probably crash you
05:13.50Shirik|Ecoledid I really write that or does it just show up that way to me?
05:13.56mikmaxterm keke
05:13.57Arrowmasterlol
05:14.03AdysShirik: you really wrote that
05:14.09Arrowmaster<@Shirik|Ecole> I LIKE COCK
05:14.09Adyswe hypnotized you
05:14.17Shirik|Ecolestop that ><
05:14.19Adyssee you're doing it again
05:14.44Adyshaha
05:14.51Arrowmasterthis is too much fun
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05:17.36mikmaputty terminal, gief
05:20.39Arrowmastertest 
05:20.52Arrowmasterhmm works on mine too
05:21.00mikmatest
05:21.03mikmai work too
05:21.15AdysArrowmaster: test
05:21.17Adysthat too?
05:21.20Arrowmasteryes
05:21.27Thunder_Childi dont like you people enough to work
05:21.29Adysprobably windows 7.
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05:21.40Arrowmasterno its putty or irssi
05:21.44Arrowmasterprobably putty
05:21.45Shirik|Ecoleno this is XP
05:21.48Shirik|EcoleI'm at school
05:21.51Adysright
05:21.53Adysits your school then
05:21.57Shirik|Ecole...
05:22.02Shirik|Ecolewell, in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised, lol
05:22.04Arrowmasterbut it could probably be fixed with an irssi script to strip out \127
05:23.08mikmashirik|ecole: usb linux!
05:23.17mikmashirik|ecole: whats ecole?
05:23.50Shirik|Ecole~x fr en ecole
05:26.33mikmatiticaca
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05:43.13TemShirik, you didn't really say that
05:43.19Shirik|EcoleI figured it out
05:43.23Temit just appears to some people that you did
05:43.43Temon my client, I just get a bunch of boxes
05:45.54Shirik|Ecolelua> return ("\127"):rep(30).."Hello, world!"
05:45.55lua_botShirik|Ecole: Hello, world!
05:45.58Shirik|Ecolethat is really wierd
05:47.07Arrowmasterits because irssi is passing the \127 directly so putty uses it to remove a character
05:47.18Shirik|Ecolebut why is \127 delete?
05:47.23Arrowmaster....
05:47.27Arrowmasterbecause it is
05:47.31Arrowmasterlook at an ascii chart
05:47.45Shirik|Ecoleit is?
05:47.47Arrowmasteryes
05:48.05Irielman ascii
05:48.09Irielif you're on a unixish machine
05:48.11Shirik|Ecolehuh, so it is
05:48.24Shirik|EcoleI thought that was \8
05:48.25IrielKids of today
05:48.29Irieleveryone should know that
05:48.31Irielthat's backspace
05:48.45Arrowmaster^H
05:49.01Shirik|Ecolewho's the genius that decided that delete would be the only non-printing character at the high end?
05:49.21Arrowmasteri think it was added later
05:50.18Arrowmastersince ^H is the running joke even though its not really used anymore
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05:58.38Shirik|Ecolethat was odd
05:58.44Shirik|Ecolesomeone just came to my lab and asked for change for a $5
05:58.52Shirik|Ecolewho comes to school at 1 AM
05:59.39IrielI used to be there all night
05:59.42Iriel(not YOUR school, but mine)
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06:05.48Shirik|Ecolegah
06:06.06Shirik|EcoleI hate it when I keep saying to myself "Damn my compiler is running so slow today" and then an hour later realize I'm on power save mode
06:06.14Tekkubobviously you do Shirik :P
06:06.26Thunder_Childdont enable power save mode then
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06:16.58NightHawkTheSaneoutdoor tetris art: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nowends/sets/72157611187567238/
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06:17.42TekkubWTB simple wishlist addon
06:17.46TekkubPST
06:17.53Tekkuband food, send food too
06:17.54NightHawkTheSaneTekkub: TinyPad.
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06:18.17Tekkubit doesn't do tooltips though, right?
06:18.32NightHawkTheSanenot on-hover
06:18.39NightHawkTheSane(at least, not that i could see)
06:18.57NightHawkTheSanebut you can click an item link and it'll pop up a tooltip as if you clicked the link anywhere else
06:19.08Tekkubhum
06:19.28Tekkubmaybe I should just make the intentional mistake of looking at atlasloot's code
06:19.30NightHawkTheSaneit's a bit -too- simple for my tastes, but it -is- simple
06:20.15Tekkubwell ideally what I want is.... http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4&filter=ub=5;gb=1;wt=123:61:103:23:24:96;wtv=100:93:89:88:85:63
06:20.32Tekkubexcept with the added (default?) option to group by source instead
06:21.02NightHawkTheSane*nod*
06:21.17Tekkubif wowhead would just group by source I'de be happy with that
06:21.43NightHawkTheSaneyeah, thats what i happen to like about atlasloot.
06:22.32TekkubI want a nice lil list that says, hey, go to Nexus Heroic, there's 3 upgrades there
06:25.51TewanHey guys, how hard would it be to recreate this ingame? http://tewan.info/possiblex40people.jpg
06:25.55Tewanplayer name colored by class
06:26.17Tewandebuffs/buffs below bars
06:26.35NightHawkTheSanenot terribly
06:26.50NightHawkTheSaneyou could probably do that almost exactly with pitbull
06:27.13Tekkubor oUF
06:27.29NightHawkTheSaneor that, i'm not familiar with oUF, so
06:27.31TewanI was thinking oUF too
06:27.37Tewanbut I break things too easy
06:27.38Tewan:P
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06:30.08NightHawkTheSane>.> so, this is totally off topic, but if anyone follows eve online politics.. http://www.massively.com/2009/02/04/rumor-band-of-brothers-breaks-apart-in-eve-goonswarm-responsib/
06:30.43Temoh god this is a hack
06:31.25TemFamilyMember* self;
06:31.27Tem...
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06:31.35TemThread* t = new Thread();
06:31.54Temt->Fork(spawn_member, (int)self);
06:32.24Temvoid spawn_member(int p) { FamilyMember* parent = (FamilyMember*)p; ... }
06:32.44TemI feel so dirty
06:36.11Shirik|EcoleI'm trying to download something and I see three versions
06:36.17Shirik|Ecolex86, x86_64, and x86/WPF
06:36.21Shirik|Ecoledoes anyone know what that third one is?
06:36.40Shirik|EcoleWindows Presentation Foundation?
06:36.43NightHawkTheSaneTem: :(
06:37.08TekkubShirik, that'd be my guess
06:37.41NightHawkTheSaneTem: oh, hey, since you're here. TradeTabs has been acting up since 3.0.8, the tabs don't come up the first time i open any tradeskill after logging on.
06:37.58TemNHTS I've gotten a few reports of that
06:38.03Tekkubyea Tem, what NightHawkTheSane said
06:38.05TemI haven't tried terribly hard to reproduce it
06:38.06IrielTem Is that C++?
06:38.12Tembut I think I know the problem
06:38.14TemIriel, aye
06:38.21IrielTem if so, can you safely cast a pointer to an int without a chance of data loss?
06:38.31TemIriel, I was told that I can
06:38.50NightHawkTheSaneTem: In theory, it should be easy to reproduce: Log on a character, open a tradeskill. See tabs not show up. Close it, open it (or any one) again, see tabs show up. ;) But yeah, just wanted to let you know if you didn't.
06:38.57NightHawkTheSaneit's not really a big problem
06:39.02TemNHTS, yeah that doesn't happen for me
06:39.04IrielTem: And I guess, secondly, WHY would you do that?
06:39.18TemBecause it's the only way to pass on my struct to the forked thread
06:39.30IrielAh, you only get an int to pass?
06:39.33Temaye
06:39.39Shirik|EcoleTem: To answer Iriel's question, no you cannot safely do that
06:39.44Tekkubregistering ADDON_LOADED would probably fix the issue
06:39.47Shirik|EcoleHowever, for all intents and purposes, you can
06:40.09Shirik|Ecoleyour code will, however, lose platform independence
06:40.19TemNHTS, Tekkub, I'm 99% sure you have something making Blizzard_TradeSkillUI load before PLAYER_LOGIN
06:40.21IrielSee, the dim recesses of my former C++ days are still able to contribute, occasionally
06:40.36TemShirik|Ecole, this is a single platform app
06:40.41Temit only runs on MIPS computers
06:40.51Shirik|Ecolethen so long as you pick the right one, you're fine
06:40.54Shirik|Ecoleright int*
06:40.56TekkubI doubt it Tem...
06:40.58Tekkub*tests*
06:41.25Temer, wait
06:41.29Temthat might be wrong, Tek
06:41.37TemI don't remember
06:41.42Temsomeone posted a fix for it
06:41.55Tembut I'm loathe to use it
06:42.05TekkubIsAddOnLoaded("Blizzard_TradeSkillUI") => nil, nil
06:42.21Tem*shrug*
06:42.23Tekkubyes, registering ADDON_LOADED fixes it
06:42.30Temreally? that's all
06:42.32Temawesome
06:42.33Tekkubyup
06:42.48Temremove the mispelled SPELLCAST SUCCEEDED too
06:43.06Tem(I fixed that typo once on my local system and the whole addon broke)
06:43.18Temso I laughed and put it back
06:43.36NightHawkTheSanelol
06:43.47Tekkubthat's... scary
06:44.07Temyeah, it's been misspelt for like a year now
06:44.17TemI find that rather amusing
06:44.42Temoh man
06:44.52TemI see the blinking cursor when I close my eyes
06:45.04TemI'm going to dream in c++ tonight
06:50.59Spellbinderyou can turn off blinking cursor i think
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06:53.18Shirik|EcoleMy mariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiia
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06:56.14TemDamn you, Shirik|Ecole
06:56.18TemI will sing that for an hour
06:56.29Shirik|EcoleI love that song
06:56.43Shirik|EcoleMaybe I make it the background music while updating
06:59.57Fisker-Shirik !
07:00.03Fisker-it ends tonight
07:00.30Thunder_Childand thats the point Shirik should have kicked you Fisker-
07:01.20Fisker-he can't
07:01.23Fisker-i'm so powerful
07:03.44Shirik|AFKNo, I'm just forgiving
07:03.50Shirik|AFKit's more fun to watch him struggle anyway
07:04.33Fisker-prove it
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07:13.02Thunder_Childhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5146779/what-if-the-earth-is-a-giant-alien-hard-drive
07:18.13Shirik|Ecoleripoff of HGTTG imo
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07:25.57Thunder_Childi realy realy want pizza
07:31.30Fisker-i want you
07:31.43Fisker-...on a pizza
07:32.55Thunder_Childit's gonna cost you
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07:59.01Thunder_Childi win
08:01.36zenziohttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/04/funny-pictures-youre-late-for-work/
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08:11.00Temblarg
08:11.26Temint **totals;
08:11.45Temtotals = new int[whatever][2];
08:11.47Temis not legal
08:12.03TemShirik, you still around?
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08:12.14Shirik|Ecolesup
08:12.37Shirik|Ecoleno, it's not, because that's not an int**
08:12.45Elkanotem, why int**? int* should work fine, too I think
08:12.57Shirik|EcoleElkano is correct
08:13.00Shirik|Ecoleas confusing as that sounds
08:13.21Elkanoyou dont work with pointers to pointers to int but with pointers to int
08:13.30Shirik|Ecoleright
08:13.54Shirik|EcoleIn fact, foo[bar][baz] can be translated into a foo[quux] for a two-dimensional array
08:13.59Temright
08:14.02Tembut I don't want that
08:14.03Shirik|Ecoleand that is precisely what the compiler does
08:14.09TemI want the foo[bar][baz] syntax
08:14.15Shirik|Ecoleyou still get it
08:14.20Elkanoyeah, that kind of arrays are just memory magic
08:14.28Shirik|Ecolewell, you're going to have trouble though
08:14.35Shirik|Ecolethis is one of those syntaxes I never bothered to remember
08:14.38Shirik|Ecolethere IS a way to do it
08:14.52Shirik|EcoleBut problem is, Tem, the compiler cannot know how to get foo[bar][baz] into a foo[quux]
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08:14.53ShiibotFebruary 3, 2009, 9:15PM PST
08:14.53Elkanowrap it in a class with a custom operator[]
08:15.05Shirik|EcoleBecause you dynamically size both dimensions
08:15.17Shirik|Ecolethere's no way for the compiler to be able to gracefully figure out what the actual offset is
08:15.45Elkanohmm, what are they breaking this time?
08:15.46Tembut I told it!
08:15.47Shirik|Ecolenow I know there's a syntax for this, I just can't remember it
08:15.53Shirik|EcoleYou told it at new
08:16.20Shirik|EcoleProblem is, the type does not convey that information
08:16.23Shirik|Ecoleonly the allocation does
08:16.34Shirik|EcoleThe type is something really strange
08:16.38Temcannot convert `int (*)[2]' to `int*' in assignment
08:16.39Shirik|Ecolelike int* foo[4] or something
08:16.56Shirik|Ecoletry int* totals[2]
08:17.00Tekkubyou know, I'm about sick of theis c++ nonesense
08:17.05Tekkublua only here
08:17.22Shirik|EcoleI'm pretty sure that's still wrong though
08:17.46Elkanotry: int totals[whatever][2]
08:17.54Tem: incompatible types in assignment of `int (*)[2]'
08:17.54Tem<PROTECTED>
08:18.11Shirik|Ecoleoh yeah! I forgot that!
08:18.19Shirik|EcoleThat was approved, variable length arrays
08:18.24Shirik|Ecolethough I disagree with its approval
08:18.28TemI tried using (*)
08:18.36Temit didn't like that either
08:18.45Shirik|Ecoletry... int foo (*)[2]
08:18.49Tifidid you try something like totals = new int*[whatever]; for(int i=0;i<whatever;i++) totals[i]=new int[2]
08:18.56Shirik|EcoleTifi, that's not the same
08:19.19Shirik|Ecolethat truly is an int**
08:19.23Shirik|Ecoleand probably not what he would prefer
08:19.34Shirik|EcoleAh! Here it is
08:19.37Shirik|EcoleTem, try this
08:19.41Shirik|Ecoleint (*foo)[2]
08:19.51Temcannot convert `int (*)[2]' to `int ()(...)' in assignment
08:20.03Shirik|EcoleGoogle lies!!
08:20.05Tem(for int foo(*)[2])
08:20.11Shirik|Ecoleoh
08:20.13Shirik|Ecoleno try what I just said
08:20.34Temyay
08:20.35Temthat works
08:20.44Temnow I just need to figure out what this other compiler bitch is about
08:20.50Shirik|EcoleThat's that syntax I've never bothered to remember
08:20.52Shirik|Ecolebecause I rarely need it
08:21.16Shirik|Ecolepersonally, I tend to do what Tifi did
08:21.19Tifiso foo is a pointer to an array of 2 ints?
08:21.19Shirik|Ecolebut there are reasons for not doing that
08:21.35Shirik|Ecoleyou can think of it that way, Tifi
08:21.52Shirik|Ecolefact of the matter is it's a two-dimensional array that the compiler understands how to index
08:22.30Tifihuh? how do you get whatever in there?
08:22.39Shirik|Ecolefoo[a][b] = 1?
08:22.48Temoh lulz my other error is just a typo
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08:23.17Shirik|EcoleBehind-the-scenes, the compiler actually performs magic to turn this into foo[2*b+a]
08:23.29Shirik|Ecoleor something like that
08:23.34Shirik|EcoleI'm not going to bother to do the math at 3 AM
08:23.56Tifino i mean in the declaration of foo
08:24.09Tifito allocate the 2*whatever ints
08:24.21Shirik|Ecoleyou use new
08:24.29Shirik|Ecoleint (*foo)[2] = new int[a][b]
08:24.44Tifiah
08:24.50Tifiok thanks
08:24.57Shirik|Ecoleer
08:24.59Shirik|Ecolewell I should clarify
08:25.05Shirik|Ecoleb is required to be 2 for obvious reasons :)
08:25.12Shirik|Ecoleint (*foo)[2] = new int[a][2]
08:25.36Tifiyea ^^
08:25.59Shirik|Ecoleer
08:26.01Shirik|Ecole....
08:27.08Shirik|Ecolewoudln't be a bad idea
08:27.11Shirik|EcoleI always forget that one :P
08:27.24Shirik|EcoleTem, do you understand why that is, though?
08:27.50Temthe required constant?
08:28.00Shirik|Ecolebecause a normal int** foo would mean that if I do foo[1], I get an int*, which is not true here; indexing it once just puts me in the block itself
08:28.26Shirik|Ecolethat's why it's an int* and not an int**
08:28.44Tem*nod*
08:29.02Temnow, with new, I'm not guaranteed to get non-garbage memory, right?
08:29.08Tifitypedef int Foo[2]; Foo* foo = new Foo[a]; would that work?
08:29.13Shirik|Ecolecorrect
08:29.17Shirik|Ecoleit will be uninitialized
08:29.41Shirik|EcoleTifi: probably; tias
08:29.46TemI should memset(0,totals,sizeof(int)*a*2)
08:29.57Temexcept I swapped 0 and totals
08:30.13Temthat's wrong too isn't it
08:30.24Temgod damnit why can't they pick a logical order for those args
08:30.31Shirik|Ecolewell I don't know the order of the args, but yes
08:30.36Shirik|EcoleZeroMemory() is your friend :)
08:30.39Shirik|EcoleBut it's a Win32 api
08:31.02Temmemset(totals,0,sizeof...)
08:31.07zenzioSecureZeroMemory
08:31.10Tem(I looked it up)
08:32.29Shirik|EcoleIt's 3:30; I think I'm going home
08:32.37Shirik|EcoleIt's 3 AM and I wanna go to bed
08:32.41Shirik|EcoleI got a lady running through my head
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08:44.18Shirik|Ecoleok wtf
08:44.22Shirik|Ecolethere was ice on my car
08:44.24Shirik|EcoleI don't even own a scraper
08:44.26Shirik|Ecole~weather kdab
08:44.34Shirik|EcoleI didn't realize it could get that cold
08:44.42Shirik|Ecoletoo bad there's no snow :(
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08:47.32Shirik|Ecolelua> os.clock()
08:47.32lua_botShirik|Ecole: 0
08:47.37Shirik|Ecolelua> os.time()
08:47.38lua_botShirik|Ecole: 1233823657
08:47.59Shirik|Ecolelua> print(os.clock()); for x = 1,1000000 do end return os.clock()
08:48.00lua_botShirik|Ecole: 0, 0.01
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08:50.53Shirik|EcoleSo I just did an interesting little test
08:51.03Shirik|EcoleI expected math.floor() to be faster than math.ceil()
08:51.12Shirik|EcoleYet it appears that they're approximately the same
08:51.44Shirik|Ecolebut floor is as simple as 0ing out any bit that falls after the decimal place
08:51.54Shirik|Ecolewhereas ceil requires a bit more work
08:52.01Shirik|Ecoleanyone else disagree?
08:52.59zenziowouldn't ceil be the same except for adding 1 to the number afterwards?
08:54.58Tifimaybe the overhead for calling the function is what uses the most cpu? the actual floating point operation might just happen in parallel
08:55.05ZorbaTHut0ing out bits after the decimal place isn't trivial in itself, though
08:55.23ZorbaTHutbitwise manipulation on floating-point values is kind of intrinsically grim
08:56.26Thunder_ChildShirik|Ecole, go to bed
08:56.47ZorbaTHutalso, it's more complicated than that if you intend for it to work on negative numbers - in fact, they're basically equivalent if you want them both to work on negative numbers
08:56.57ZorbaTHut-floor(-x) == ceil(x), I believe.
08:57.01Shirik|Ecolezenzio: No, adding 1s would give you the ceil minus epsilon
08:57.45Shirik|Ecolethat can't be right
08:57.57Shirik|Ecoleunless I'm doing bad math in my head
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08:59.07Shirik|Ecoleit is right
08:59.12Shirik|Ecoleso why am I doing bad math in my head ><
08:59.16ZorbaTHutadding 1 works in all cases except when the number is already an integer
08:59.29Shirik|Ecoleok, I got it
08:59.36Shirik|EcoleI see why they're the same speed now
08:59.37ZorbaTHutin which case it fails. you can get around that by subtracting epsilon beforehand, as long as epsilon for that particular value is, itself, less than 1
09:00.10Tekkuban epsilon > 1 is hardly epsilonic
09:00.11Shirik|Ecolefloor requires two conditions: above zero, set everything to 0; below zero, set everything to zero and add 1
09:00.18Shirik|Ecoleceil is precisely the opposite
09:00.36Shirik|EcoleThat doesn't explain it though, no
09:00.46Shirik|Ecoleunless there's a processor opcode for floor or ceil
09:00.47ZorbaTHuttekkub, sure it is, when your number is 1e100
09:00.52Shirik|Ecoleyou would have to do it in two operations
09:00.56Tekkublies!
09:01.11Shirik|EcoleI give up, this is too much thinking at 4 AM
09:01.47Tekkubdamn you funyuns, why do you have to taste so good but feel so *ungh* when I eat too much
09:02.07Shirik|Ecolethey taste like shit what are you talking about
09:02.16Arrowmasteri thought you were going to bed half an hour ago?
09:02.23Shirik|EcoleI was
09:02.25Tekkubyou don't know what your talking about, you just admitted your brain is broken
09:02.28Shirik|Ecolebut I had to drive home first
09:02.35Shirik|Ecoleand then I got home
09:02.37Shirik|Ecoleand then I took out my laptop
09:02.43Arrowmasteryou dont take the laptop to bed with you do you?
09:02.46Shirik|Ecolebesides, TECHNICALLY, I AM in bed
09:02.49Shirik|Ecole>.>
09:02.51Arrowmaster.....
09:03.07zenzionaked?
09:03.07Shirik|Ecoleis good place to do work
09:03.10Shirik|Ecole... no
09:03.24Shirik|Ecolewhy do you want to know that
09:03.28Tekkubyou can't even use a bed properly
09:04.28zenziobeing in bed and not being naked just seems wrong
09:04.40Shirik|Ecoleit does?
09:04.54zenziojust like raiding
09:05.06Shirik|EcoleI'm supposed to raid naked?
09:05.07Tekkubyea raiding with pants sucks
09:05.08Arrowmasterhow exactly do you type on a laptop naked in bed anyway?
09:05.17zenzioShirik|Ecole: you don't?
09:05.19Thunder_Childs/bed/sleep/
09:05.35Shirik|Ecolewhy :(
09:05.37Shirik|Ecolewhy you not like me
09:05.51Thunder_Childi do, i like you better when you have had sleep and are not breaking things
09:08.53Shirik|EcoleI didn't break anything!
09:09.16Shirik|EcoleIt is mathematically provable that I have broken infinitely less things, percentage-wise, while tired
09:09.50Thunder_Childis that because you are always tired?
09:10.00Shirik|Ecolewouldn't that mean I never break anything?
09:10.03Shirik|EcoleThat obviously can't be true
09:10.16Thunder_Childbut you said percent wise
09:10.27Shirik|Ecoleyes
09:10.31Thunder_Childif not tired was 0%
09:10.39Thunder_Childthen....
09:10.52Thunder_Childmy brain doesnt work
09:10.53Thunder_Childbut you get the idea
09:11.12Shirik|EcoleBreak infinitely less things
09:11.15Shirik|Ecolewhile tired
09:11.20Shirik|Ecolewhich means I break 0 things while tired
09:11.27Shirik|Ecoleso if I'm always tired, I never break anything
09:12.19Thunder_Childlets pretend there is an einstine-rosen bridge somewhere down the raod of infinity that brings you round the back side
09:12.27Thunder_Childroad*
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09:15.13Thunder_Childeinstein-rosen bridge*
09:15.49Shirik|Ecolea what bridge?
09:16.18Thunder_Childreally Shirik|Ecole?
09:16.24Thunder_Childa wormhole
09:16.25Shirik|Ecole:(
09:16.28Shirik|Ecoleoh
09:16.42Shirik|Ecolewho calls it an einstein-rosen bridge?
09:16.53zenziowell it does sound more scientific
09:16.54Thunder_Childparticle physicists?
09:17.02Thunder_Childastro physicists
09:17.11Thunder_Childtemporal mechanics?
09:18.34Shirik|EcoleThat's like calling water dihydrogen oxide
09:18.52TekkubI knew what an ER bridge was
09:19.03TekkubShirik just fails.  fails in pants
09:19.11Thunder_Childor no pants
09:19.54Thunder_ChildShirik|Ecole, bte, you mean "dihydrogen monoxide"?
09:19.59Thunder_Childbtw*
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09:20.11Shirik|Ecoledihydrogen oxide is a valid name following standard conventions
09:20.32Thunder_Childit's DHMO
09:20.49Shirik|Ecole"Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid."
09:20.59Shirik|EcoleAll of which except Hydric acid, I can see why they would be called as such
09:21.24Thunder_Childyou just slanged a scientific term
09:21.29Shirik|EcoleHydrogen Hydroxide is actually probably the best
09:21.36Thunder_Childi think the geek meter just broke in here
09:21.45Shirik|EcoleBecause technically it's H+ bonded with OH-
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09:22.02Shirik|EcoleWhich is why the PH of water is 7
09:22.21Shirik|EcolePH is lowered by H+ ions and raised by OH- ions (if I remember my high school chemistry correctly)
09:23.47Corrodiasi never managed to figure out the calculations for how water behaves
09:23.48Shirik|EcoleThat being said, I think they called it "DHMO" only because of the correlation to "Carbon Monoxide"
09:24.10Shirik|EcoleWhich, interestingly enough, is called monoxide only to distinguish between dioxide
09:24.47Shirik|EcoleThis was an interesting discussion we had a long time ago :P
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09:28.52Shirik|Ecole"It's not that it's incorrect to call it monocarbon dioxide. It's just that we call it carbon dioxide."
09:29.40Shirik|EcoleI still like the H+ OH- interpretation though
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09:35.36Shirik|Ecolewikipedia is too enticing
09:35.45Shirik|Ecolethis discussion of DHMO has lead to me learning about "White Holes"
09:36.15Tekkubyou want to see my "white hole"?
09:36.35Shirik|Ecole...
09:36.39Shirik|Ecoleyou have one?
09:36.48Tekkubsure, wanna see?
09:37.44Shirik|Ecole... noty
09:37.47Shirik|EcoleI go to sleep now
09:37.49Shirik|Ecolebye
09:38.04Tekkuboh fuck me, auditorium got released
09:38.08Tekkub*buys*
09:38.15Thunder_Childyes Tekkub, we mentioned that laready
09:38.17TekkubI never thought I'd pay for a flash game
09:38.18Thunder_Childalready*
09:38.23Thunder_Childyou werent here
09:38.44Thunder_Childand thoes that donated got it a day early and the music mp3 as well
09:39.01Tekkubbah, I shoulda donated
09:42.00jnwhitehAn ok book if you are into this sort of thing...
09:42.00jnwhitehThe WoW game itself is pretty restricted it what it will allow you to do programming wise; consequently this book is pretty limited in what you can do with it...
09:42.03jnwhitehI enjoyed the information in the book; however, I didn't find much practical use for it - other than intellectual...
09:42.06jnwhitehO.o
09:42.20jnwhitehinteresting..
09:42.23Thunder_Childwell that was random jnwhiteh
09:42.33jnwhitehhow so?
09:42.41Thunder_Childwell,, you forgot context
09:42.48Thunder_Childwhich i managed to figure out
09:42.51AnduinLotharauditorium seems really similar to Enigmo
09:43.08jnwhitehit didn't seem to difficul to figure out
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09:48.14TekkubThunder_Child, did you donate by chance? ^^
09:48.22Thunder_Childyes
09:49.36Tekkub<PROTECTED>
09:49.48Thunder_Childuploading it as we speak
09:49.55Tekkub<PROTECTED>
09:50.52Fisker-donate what?
09:51.10Tekkubhttp://www.playauditorium.com/
09:51.30Fisker-better not be a flash site
09:51.45Fisker-FFFFFUUUUUUU
09:51.53Fisker-lags remote desktop to hell >*
09:51.54Fisker-:(
09:52.35Tekkubit's the *only* flash site out there worth anything
09:52.42Thunder_ChildTekkub, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/Auditorium_Original_Soundtrack_-_Autumn.mp3
09:52.54Tekkubwoooo!
09:53.06Tekkubonly the one track?
09:53.12Thunder_Childthats all i got
09:53.19Tekkubdum
09:53.23Tekkuber, bum
09:53.44Thunder_Childdont forget the game is just small looped peices...i think that might be the whole thing
09:53.57Thunder_Childbut i havent checked to make sure
09:57.12hasteno more red theme on wowi? :(
09:57.44jnwhitehhaste: ask Dolby!
09:58.06hastethen you just did for me D:
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09:58.50Dolbythat was ment for testing a fix i finally merged into the main template
09:59.05Dolbyit was never updated with the new background
09:59.53hastehehe, I used the footer fix for months
10:00.35Dolbyrolled in some changes to the info tabs and remembered i had some fixes in that other template
10:07.00TekkubThunder_Child, well even if it's just the one short track, it's still purdy
10:07.20Thunder_ChildTekkub, yep
10:08.39Temfuck
10:08.44Temhey, Shirik
10:08.54Temremember when you said I couldn't reliably do that pointer cast
10:09.08Temwell, I think I'm having that problem
10:09.38TemFamilyMember* parent = (FamilyMember*)p;
10:09.48TemFamilyMember* self = new FamilyMember;
10:09.57Temself == parent
10:10.01Tem=> SIGSEGV
10:16.01Temhmm
10:16.03Temthat's not it
10:16.23TemI just verified that sizeof(int) and sizeof(FamilyMember*) is equal
10:20.19Temoh I think I got it
10:20.35Temthe parent is being deleted before the child thread is run
10:20.48Endoh, sure, throw threading in
10:20.50Endand not tell us
10:21.13Temhmm
10:21.22TemI'll just make the parent thread yeild before killing itself
10:21.43Temhere's hoping everything in the readylist runs before coming back
10:24.54Temyep
10:27.12Temoh that's a new one Bus Error
10:27.20TemI don't even care what it was
10:28.51Temyeah, completely fuck it
10:29.03Temif they find that corner case, they can dock me for whatever they want
10:29.18Temit's 4:30 am and I need to be in class in 4 hours
10:29.20Temso fuck this
10:30.48EndAKF?
10:31.11sacarascAKFORTYSEVEN
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11:02.54hasteDolby: btw, getting:
11:02.56hasteDolby: btw, getting: Forums
11:02.56hasteProjects
11:02.56hasteAddOns
11:02.56hasteCommunity
11:02.56hasteFind
11:03.02hastedamn you
11:03.14hasteI'll take a screen :p
11:03.27hastefirefor doesn't copy what you select above the ad :(
11:05.31hastehttp://bildr.no/view/339671 - things take time with paint
11:05.52Dolbyyep happens some times with network ads
11:06.05Dolbynothing i can control other then keep sending it to the ad people
11:06.19hasteI guessed so
11:06.45Dolbyalthough quality of ads should increase soon once companys take notice gaming hasnt been effected too much from the economy
11:07.52Dolbythanks for the picture though... will poke the ad people again
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11:17.01Spectrehello all, can anyone with wow addon coding experience give me a hand?
11:18.09Spectrenobody D: wont take long
11:18.11ZorbaBetagenerally recommend to explain what you need a hand with, as many people have different areas of expertise and availability for help
11:18.18Spectreah ok
11:18.54ZorbaBetaif you've got a typo in your .toc I can help, if you want to talk about UI development I can't, for example :)
11:18.58jnwhitehYeah, don't ask if you can ask a question, just ask teh question =)
11:19.29Spectrewell in an addon im writing im joining a custom chat channel, but under what event should i put that in, ive tried a few but with allt he ones i tried i joins before general and trade have loaded and takes up the /1 slot
11:19.41jnwhitehYou shouldn't use an event
11:19.54Spectreoh ok, what should i use?
11:19.57jnwhitehYou should start an OnUpdate script and intentionally delay joining until the player has been in the game for X seconds
11:20.11jnwhitehthat way you can guarantee close to consistent behavior
11:20.47jnwhitehnormally I'm a proponent of using the right events, but there aren't any terribly good ones you can use in this case :P
11:21.06Spectreah ok, i just assumed that there must be an event that triggers after the channels have loaded, thanks for your help :D
11:21.12amrojnwhiteh: there's no event fired upon joining channels?
11:22.27jnwhitehthere is an event
11:22.36jnwhitehbut what if the user has disabled all channels?
11:23.01Spectrewell my addon wont work if they did that anyway
11:24.28jnwhitehyou can look at AceComm-2.0 or LibRockRomm-1.0 to see what events they use
11:24.32jnwhitehor if they use timed
11:24.46jnwhitehI hate not being able to access the repos for wowace projects on the web
11:24.50jnwhitehthat's a huge loss for me =./
11:27.22hasteyep, failace strikes again
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12:34.07mikmaoh the custom chat.. i hate them so much
12:36.47Kalrothpoor mikmik
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12:56.53Olorin`I have an addon that clears excess Soul Shards on a warlock but for some reason it tries to delete the same shard twice, I presume the DeleteCursorItem() initially flags the item for a pending deletion,  is their a check I can do for this?
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13:30.50hasteOlorin`: checking if the item is locked might help
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13:44.40Olorin`haste: just tried that using GetContainerItemInfo and it shows before trying to delete and after the deletecursoritem() issued it still shows the item not locked :/
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13:47.27Olorin`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/107727
13:48.41Olorin`cant see how it could run the routine twice unless deletecursoritem is a delayed function
13:49.26hastea bag_update probably fires while you are doing it
13:49.28Olorin`morning Lopeppeppy
13:49.30hastemad event is mad
13:50.04LopeppeppyHeya, Olorin!
13:50.39Olorin`I can understand the deleitng the item would trigger a bag update but it shouldt still see the item on the second run, very odd
13:53.44Olorin`kinda worrying when someone says in general 'anyone need a really big worm'    maybee i just have a sick mind
13:55.20Kalrothyeah, who'd want to share their worm with a puggie, that's just sick
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14:09.29zenzioOlorin`: well let's just say that's a joke that's gone around Dragonblight since release :-p (probably beta too)
14:09.30ShiibotNew WoW-EU Server Alert: There will be rolling restarts of all realms to apply hotfixes, starting at approximately 5:00, Paris time (CET). Each realm will receive a 15 minute notice prior to being restarted.Thank you for your patience and understanding.
14:09.30Shiibot> If you have submitted an in-game help petition please note that you will need to click on the ‘GM Chat Request’ that will appear in the right-hand corner of the game in order to open the conversation with a Game Master. Please see the General forum for more details.
14:09.30Shiibot> 04/02 Free character migrationThe following Free Character Migration will be available from Feb 4 to Feb 10:Horde only: Magtheridon --> Haomarush, Tarren Mill, Trollbane, Zenedar, Silvermoon (PvE)
14:09.59LopeppeppyThank you, shiibot.
14:10.15Olorin`oh well im late for everything as usual
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14:40.44Olorin`blizzy got issues with their links I think, connections to servers very flakey atm
14:43.34LopeppeppyPractice for Friday the 13th.
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15:28.30Olorin`hmm just tried to loot somthing and got internal bag error msg
15:28.31ShiibotNew WoW-US Server Alert: February 5, 2009, 07:15 AM PST
15:28.31ShiibotWe will be performing rolling restarts on all U.S. realms beginning at 7:15AM PST, February 5. Additionally, we will be performing rolling restarts on all Oceanic realms beginning at 12:00PM PST,  February 5. We anticipate that each realm will be down for no more than 15 minutes.  The overall process will last approximately 2 hours.
15:28.31ShiibotFebruary 3, 2009, 9:15PM PST
15:29.03Shirik|EcoleCairenn|afk, get your weather out of florida
15:29.27Shirik|EcoleOlorin`, I've seen that
15:31.01Shirik|EcoleI especially like that whenever my inventory is full, though
15:31.01Shirik|EcoleI don't get "Inventory is full"
15:31.01alestaneOlorin`: Usually if you loot again it works.
15:31.02Shirik|EcoleI get "You can't put that in that container"
15:31.02Olorin`well servers been up and down like a yoyo so who knows whats going on
15:31.02LopeppeppyShirik, enjoy our weather.  :)
15:31.02Olorin`10secs later it works fine
15:31.02Shirik|EcoleNO
15:31.02alestaneYMeans you have a specialty bag with openspaces that can't hold that item.
15:31.02Shirik|EcoleIt's freezing
15:31.02Shirik|Ecoleand I'm not even outside yet
15:31.14LopeppeppyIt's about -10F here this morning...
15:31.26Shirik|Ecole:(
15:31.38Olorin`uk freezing too laughing stock of europe 8inches of snow and country cant operate for 4 days
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15:32.22alestaneTemperature dropped quite a bit yesterday afternoon, haven't checked what it's like out today.
15:32.51alestaneIt's nippy.
15:33.43LopeppeppyFrosty
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15:36.42Shirik|Ecole~weather kdab
15:36.47Shirik|Ecolewtf is that, this is florida
15:37.51nevcairielits winter :P
15:37.54ScytheBlade1Shirik|Ecole: pong
15:37.57nevcairiel~weather edhi
15:38.03Shirik|Ecolewe talk later, ScytheBlade1
15:38.06ScytheBlade1lol
15:38.07Shirik|EcoleI have to take a shower and get to class
15:38.10ScytheBlade1haha
15:38.11ScytheBlade1same
15:38.26ScytheBlade1I'll be in class (and online!) in about an hour and a half
15:38.42ScytheBlade1What did you ping me about by chance?
15:39.01ScytheBlade1(Quickly?)
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15:41.04Lopeppeppy~weather kalb
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15:41.17ScytheBlade1~weather kslc
15:41.26LopeppeppyI'm about 40 minutes north of KALB.
15:41.29zenzelezzwonder if I remember this
15:41.33zenzelezz~weather encn
15:41.46ScytheBlade1Whoo I'm a LOT warmer than peppy
15:41.55ScytheBlade127 > 9
15:42.15LopeppeppyIt's in the negatives up here, ScytheBlade1.  That airport is 40 minutes south of me.
15:42.21ScytheBlade1Ouch
15:44.39Lopeppeppy*nod*
15:44.55AckisWorklua> return 27 > 9
15:44.56lua_botAckisWork: true
15:45.04AckisWork(needed to confirm it)
15:46.16ScytheBlade1lol
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15:59.21zenzelezzI've seen a lot of weird spam mail subjects over the years... but this is new
15:59.24zenzelezz"Planes of 911 Exceeded Their Software Limits"
16:05.28Lopeppeppy...  *sigh*  Bad pun.
16:05.54zenzelezztell the sender, not me
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17:36.52Shirik|Ecoleomg
17:36.58Shirik|Ecole* Divine Spirit - this spell is now a core ability available to all priests.
17:37.03LopeppeppyWhee!
17:37.20Shirik|EcoleAnd * Several area of effect (AOE) heal spells have been improved: Prayer of Healing can be cast on any groups in your raid party. Holy Nova's mana cost has been reduced. Circle of Healing now heals for more.
17:38.00zenzelezzto compensate, priests will no longer use mana, only rage
17:38.23Shirik|Ecolerofl
17:38.30Shirik|EcoleI have way too much mana
17:38.34Shirik|EcoleI do feel like a warrior
17:38.46nevcairielThey should really do some resto-druid changes
17:38.57Shirik|Ecoleno
17:38.58Shirik|Ecolef druids
17:39.01nevcairieljust to give me something to read
17:39.04Shirik|Ecolepriests are the only true healers
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17:39.11nevcairieljust because we can own your ass Shirik|Ecole :P
17:39.16Shirik|Ecolenegatory!
17:39.18Shirik|EcoleI am consistently on top
17:39.25nevcairielthen your druids suck
17:39.26LopeppeppyOuch.  Maybe time for Peppy to go find something else to do.
17:39.27Shirik|Ecole(though then again that's probably because all my healers suck)
17:39.28foxlit... in bed.
17:39.38Shirik|EcoleLopeppeppy counts as a priest she's that good
17:39.50Shirik|Ecolethat being said, I thought you were leveling a priest?
17:39.55zenzelezz<Shirik|Ecole> I have way too much mana <Shirik|Ecole> I do feel like a warrior <--- warriors are famous for their abundant mana
17:40.03Shirik|Ecole...
17:40.06nevcairiellol
17:40.08Shirik|Ecole(12:37:59) (zenzelezz) to compensate, priests will no longer use mana, only rage
17:40.25zenzelezzI know, it was just the way you put it
17:41.12NightHawkTheSane:o Totem streamlining: The Mana Spring and Healing Stream Totems have been combined. The Disease Cleansing and Poison Cleansing Totems have been combined.
17:41.13NightHawkTheSanewoo!
17:41.35foxlitand paladins everywhere rejoiced.
17:41.42Shirik|Ecolepaladins have it easy
17:41.44Shirik|Ecolethey have cleanse
17:41.47Shirik|Ecolewhat about priests
17:41.54foxlitcough abolish cough
17:41.56NightHawkTheSanefoxlit: i'm holding out for the curse cleansing totem, really
17:41.56Shirik|EcoleYeah
17:41.59Shirik|EcoleGuess what
17:42.02Shirik|EcoleAbolish ALWAYS gets cast
17:42.04nevcairieldruids should be able to remove diseases
17:42.14Shirik|EcoleCleanse at least doesn't take the GCD when you cast it a fraction of a second too late
17:42.22nevcairielhealer of nature and all, and cant cure diseases <.<
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17:42.27Shirik|EcoleMe, I waste a ton of time on heigan excessively casting abolish
17:42.27Seerah|awayhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090205/ts_alt_afp/usitinternethealthfinancegates
17:42.46Shirik|EcoleSlow Seerah|away is slow
17:43.20Seerah|awayI don't see that posted anytime since I've joined the channel :P
17:43.28Seerah|awayso there :P
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17:44.08Shirik|EcoleI thought you left!
17:45.02NightHawkTheSanenevcairiel: they can cleanse 2/4 debuff types, thats about average *shrug*
17:45.23foxlitI've got a controversial suggestion: make everything undispellable!
17:45.30Shirik|Ecoleagree
17:45.52NightHawkTheSanefoxlit: meh, thats kinda boring, though
17:45.54nevcairielNightHawkTheSane: i still think it makes sense just lore wise!
17:45.57Shirik|EcoleOr let mass dispel dispel everything
17:45.59foxlityeah, you lose a mechanic
17:46.01zenzelezzfoxlit: I dispel your suggestion
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17:46.14Shirik|EcoleNo I'm not so sure it would be boring
17:46.28foxlitTo compensate, make all heals fail unless the caster jumps in the last 0.2s of the cast
17:46.31Shirik|EcoleSometimes dispelling removes a challenge that would otherwise be there
17:46.47Shirik|EcoleMy guild has long since wanted resistances to apply to heals
17:47.02Shirik|Ecoleso for fights like mother, you'd need resistance,but too much would cause you to die as well
17:47.09foxlit(Congratulations, you've rolled a 1 out of 100000000000; your MT dies.)
17:47.17NightHawkTheSanejust cast dampen magic on everyone :P
17:47.17Shirik|Ecoleoh well!
17:47.55foxlitResistance fights are a lazy mechanic, anyway
17:48.14Shirik|EcoleWhat I've never understood
17:48.17foxlit"Oh hai guys, so sorry, we don't have more content for you."
17:48.24Shirik|Ecoleis sapphiron really supposed to be done with resistance?
17:48.28foxlit"Go far the resistance gear mats."
17:48.42foxlitThere's an achievement for going without res, Shirik.
17:48.42nevcairielShirik: if you have fail healers, probably
17:48.47Shirik|EcoleI know, foxlit
17:48.50nevcairielresistance makes is super easy
17:48.53Shirik|EcoleBut my point is we got the achievement on the first try
17:48.58Shirik|Ecoleso...
17:49.01nevcairielso did we
17:49.02foxlitThen again, there are very strange achievements out there
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17:51.09Shirik|EcoleSo KDE 4 is really nice
17:51.14foxlitthe summoning portal model is... strange.
17:51.18Shirik|EcoleI never got to really see it until yesterday
17:51.19nevcairielI'm still more a gnome guy
17:51.23Shirik|EcoleI used to be
17:51.37Shirik|Ecolebecause I found KDE 3.5 kinda ugly and gnome just was... better
17:51.43Shirik|EcoleBut KDE 4 is very shiny
17:51.48Shirik|Ecoleand I like shiny
17:51.52nevcairielOnly thing annoying me, Firefox looks ugly on KDE
17:52.30foxlitdoes firefox look pretty anywhere?
17:52.41nevcairielon windows, more or less
17:52.50nevcairieland better on gnome then on kde
17:52.53Industrialshould a browser look anything?
17:52.54Shirik|EcoleChrome is pretty
17:53.08Shirik|Ecolebut not very chrome
17:53.08IndustrialIf I'm not looking at how it looks, then its doing its job.
17:53.10nevcairielchrome has no linux yet
17:53.13foxlitChrome's status [bar] is meh
17:53.14Shirik|EcoleI know :(
17:53.26Shirik|EcoleOkay
17:53.27Shirik|Ecolerandom rant
17:53.31Industrialgo
17:53.44foxlit*gong*
17:53.47Shirik|EcoleHow come EVERY TIME I open an XML file in IE it says "lolol I protected your computer by preventing this from running ActiveX scripts"
17:54.00nevcairielIts IE
17:54.05Industrialdont.. ie.. etc
17:54.07nevcairielnuf said
17:54.17Industrialnext!
17:54.17Industrial:p
17:54.34zenzelezzShirik|Ecole: clearly it's an ActiveXML file
17:54.39Shirik|Ecole...
17:55.03foxlitThe transform that they do to render it perhaps has something to do with it
17:55.04nevcairiellol
17:55.22Shirik|EcoleIs it just me or does pandora not use ads anymore?
17:55.31nevcairielpandora?
17:55.39Shirik|Ecolewhere do you live nevcairiel?
17:55.44nevcairielhere
17:55.47Shirik|Ecole...
17:55.53Shirik|EcoleUS?
17:55.56nevcairielno
17:55.58nevcairielEU, germany
17:55.59Shirik|Ecoleah too bad
17:56.11Shirik|EcolePandora is an internet radio service
17:56.27Shirik|EcoleBasically you tell it one song and it finds songs that you might like, and you keep training it with "I like that" or "I don't like that" and it builds your channel accordingly
17:56.33Shirik|Ecolebut afaik it only allows US IPs
17:56.51Shirik|EcoleIt works very well
17:56.52foxlitgo, last.fm, go??
17:56.57Shirik|Ecolelast.fm?
17:57.07foxlithttp://last.fm
17:57.19durcynformerly known as audioscrobbler etc
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18:01.07Luigiis there someone in here with a decent c++ knowledge?
18:01.49Industrial/join #C++ ? :P
18:02.00Industrialyou are on freenode you know
18:02.59Shirik|Ecole##c++
18:03.02Shirik|Ecolebut yes, what do you need?
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18:03.26Shirik|EcoleI am the self-proclaimed god of the supposedly-evil language of C++; does that make me the devil?
18:03.45nevcairielYou're a devil, not "the"
18:04.00Industrialthere (supposedly) is only one, right? thus he must be a demon
18:04.22Shirik|Ecoleshirik.setDaemon(true);
18:04.44Dewin<PROTECTED>
18:04.48Industrialcould had been lua :P
18:04.50Shirik|Ecole:(
18:04.53Industrialhave*
18:05.03Dewinerr... I forgot something
18:05.06Dewinsudo /etc/init.d/shirik stop
18:05.06Shirik|Ecolenah Industrial, that was from one of the lines of code in the old mmoui manager
18:05.07Dewinthere
18:05.22Shirik|Ecolesomething like "thread.setDaemon(true); // I must be evil to run!"
18:05.42Industrial#wowuidev, where smart-remarks-lurkers are always lurking :P
18:06.01Industrialgoing to france tomorrow for a week of snowboarding whee \o/
18:06.07Shirik|EcoleCome to Florida
18:06.09nevcairielbreak a leg
18:06.10Shirik|Ecoleyou can snowboard here
18:06.14foxlit#wowuidev "No, we have nothing to do, either"
18:06.25DewinIndustrial: I've seen smart-remarks-lurkers in pretty much every channel I frequent
18:06.34Shirik|EcoleIt's an IRC standard
18:06.38Shirik|Ecoleprobably an RFC for it somewhere
18:06.46Industrialyou must have lots of nicknames in this channels then Dewin ke ke ke
18:06.49nevcairielthe smart-remark RFC?
18:06.52Shirik|Ecoleyes
18:07.04nevcairielinternet standard yet?
18:07.07Dewinalso: I still want to write something that compares two roomlists so I can see which of you guys is also in #postgresql or something
18:07.09Industrialpurl is compliant
18:07.10Industrial:p
18:08.41DewinI'm pretty sure the RFC is somewhere at http://tinyurl.com/rfc2173
18:08.49Industrialer question, I have ~/bin in my path and I wanna make a symlink into it from another dir/file but now the file thats symlinked isnt in my path :( why/how/fix? etc
18:08.54ScytheBlade1Shirik|Ecole: poke
18:09.27Shirik|Ecolerawr
18:09.36ScytheBlade1NOW TELL ME WHY YOU HAVE PINGED ME
18:09.41Shirik|Ecoleyou pinged me
18:09.41Dewinyou mean you want to make a symlink of, say, ~/bin/program -> /path/to/real/program?
18:09.50Shirik|EcoleI just said rawr
18:09.52HirsuteIndustrial: The symlink isn't in the path, or the target of the simlink isn't in the path anymore (but was before)
18:09.53Industrialyes
18:10.03Industrialthe target isnt, but the symlink is
18:10.17HirsuteI'm confused.
18:10.25HirsuteYou have ~/bin in your path.
18:10.32Industrialits a dir, yes
18:10.35Hirsute~/bin/foo is the target of the symlink
18:10.36purlHirsute: okay
18:10.41HirsuteWoops
18:10.42Industriallooool
18:10.51Hirsutepurl, forget /bin/foo
18:10.51purlHirsute: i forgot /bin/foo
18:11.10Dewinif you 'which foo' what do you get?
18:11.10Hirsutewhere /somedir/foo is the link itself
18:11.34Hirsute<PROTECTED>
18:11.41Industrialnm, got it :P
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18:26.00foxlithm, did they add an animation to dragon mounts?
18:26.00Mike-N-GoMy current DKs ghoul has the name 'Earththief'
18:27.15LopeppeppyDoes a DK have more than one ghoul?
18:27.35foxlityes!
18:27.49foxlitwe have an army. Haven't you heard?
18:27.55nevcairielThey get a new name on every summon, too
18:28.08DashkalLopeppeppy: If a DK's ghoul dies, when they raise a new one it gets a new name.
18:28.11Kirovarmy is so annoying.
18:28.44KirovI've seen DKs who pop it on bosses who cleave.
18:29.02nevcairielat least the army doesnt taunt anymore, or so i heard
18:29.09DashkalI very rarely find that to be a useful spell
18:29.22foxlitnev: that might be more of a situational thing
18:29.32foxlitKirov: theoretically, they, like pets, should get behind the boss.
18:29.39alestanelua>84 / 90
18:29.40lua_botalestane: 0.93333333333333
18:30.01Arrowmasterguild mate pops army everytime before pulling archivon
18:30.18foxlitIt's also a free "oh shit" button on a 20-minute cd
18:30.18ShiibotNew WoW-US Server Alert: February 5, 2009, 10:15AM PSTUrgent Rolling Restarts
18:30.18ShiibotWe will be performing urgent rolling restarts for all realms on Thursday, February 5, beginning at 10:30AM PST. Each realm will be down for about 15 minutes and the overall process will last approximately 1 hour.
18:30.18ShiibotFebruary 3, 2009, 9:15PM PST
18:30.48foxlitProbably the best one DKs have after all the mitigation nerfs
18:31.10Kirovfoxlit - if that's true, that makes it worse, since they taunt (or used to)
18:31.35Gnarfozhttp://de.sevenload.com/videos/txlp0t3-Starwars-hd :D
18:31.36foxlitKirov: spoken like a man with no personal experience :)
18:31.54foxlit[although I really shouldn't whine too loudly -- mine's outdated]
18:32.07foxlitI can tell you, however, that I haven't had a problem with the taunt behavior
18:32.13KirovMy fiancee plays a melee class, she just ran the fuck out and waited for the DK to get owned.
18:32.16foxlitIt works well on large groups, it works well on bosses.
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18:33.06Kirovfoxlit - the DK wasn't the tank.
18:33.16KirovHe had less health than I did on my mage.
18:33.35foxlitThey take their threat to the grave, iirc.
18:34.02foxlitOr is this some hypothetical pvp situation?
18:34.29Kirovfoxlit - pve, badly geared, non-tanking DK using taunting army on a boss that cleaves.
18:34.34Kirov== BAD
18:34.45foxlitI haven't seen a ghoul effectively taunt a boss.
18:34.49Kirov(especially when there are other melee dps)
18:35.04DashkalThe ghouls stopped taunting bosses after one of the early patches.  Nexus was amusing before that...
18:35.06nevcairielthey taunt non-boss though
18:35.11nevcairielits kidna funny on noth
18:35.27DashkalAs was VH...
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18:46.06Thunder_Childhouse
18:46.24LopeppeppyHeya, Lunessa-dear.
18:55.10Lunessahttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/04/funny-pictures-i-will-kill-and-eat/
18:55.42LopeppeppyLove those orange eyes.
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18:58.35LunessaThat's a pretty intense cat.
18:59.29LunessaOh today is Buru the Gorget - "Buru the Gorger sets eyes on you!"  (One of the lamest Silithid fights in the entire game.)
18:59.43ScytheBlade1I really enjoyed that fight
18:59.54ScytheBlade1Just because I was leading the raid there and I got to yell at people
19:00.02durcyneverything about aq20 was lame.  the only redeeming thing about that instance was that it wasn't full of trolls.
19:00.46LopeppeppyBugs.  Trolls.  Bugs.  Trolls.
19:01.51Shirik|EcoleLopeppeppy does not seem very happy today :(
19:02.08Thunder_Child...did you get sleep Shirik|Ecole?
19:02.14Shirik|Ecolesome
19:02.29Shirik|Ecolestill very tired but what can you doi
19:02.35Thunder_Childsleep more
19:02.57Shirik|EcoleI have to go to school
19:03.49LunessaThe other night, because I'm trying to max out the rep achievements, I dragged 2 friends to AQ20.  We did all but one boss 'cause we hand insufficient range to take him out.
19:04.10LopeppeppyThe one you dance around the pool with?
19:04.37Seerahhated that one
19:04.51LopeppeppyHated it with passion.
19:04.56LopeppeppyOr was it the arcane explosion dude?
19:05.12LopeppeppyDelaney talks to statues, Shirik.
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19:07.07KirovSomeday they'll stop fucking with the wires here.  >.<
19:07.11Shirik|Ecolehuh, Lopeppeppy?
19:07.24LopeppeppyExcellent song, google it sometime when you're feeling mellow.
19:07.46LunessaNo, the flying one after Ossirian
19:08.01mikmahttp://wow.reaktio.net/TomTom_FF.lua :I
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19:09.16mikmanow i need someone to test that addon with :(
19:09.24mikmastupid friend is so lazy he won't be bothered
19:11.40Kirovwhat is it?
19:11.50mikmaTomTom Friend Finder
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19:12.31mikmayou write /ttff foo, and your friend writes /ttff bar and then you can see each other with TomTom crazyarrow
19:12.51SeerahCairenn|afk and Lopeppeppy: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4291687/11531015
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19:14.32Kirovmikma - sounds dumb, why would you want to test that?
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19:15.01mikmawhy do people wanna test addons they write? did you ask that moment ago?
19:15.35KirovMainly I'm at work and have no WoW installed.
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19:18.18LunessaKirov: You have no friends?  You need a cat.  Then you'll still have no friends, but the cat will fake it from time to time.
19:21.30Spellbinderdog is better then, they don't fake
19:22.16Cairenn|afkSeerah: cute! :)
19:22.34Seerah:)
19:24.20KirovLunessa - I have a cat, and a dog
19:24.25KirovI like the cat more.
19:24.33KirovDog pees on our carpet
19:24.39LunessaWell, then you have at least one friend, the dog.  The cat's just using you.
19:24.42mikmai'd wipe it off with the cat
19:25.09cog|workmisattribution is an evil word
19:25.24hastemikma: and then the cat will self-clean itself!
19:25.25hasteamazing
19:25.26cog|workat least if your eyes are tired
19:25.42mikmahaste: truly amazing!
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19:26.56Lunessacog|work: Did you think of it as something else?  Something that old wives will tell you makes you blind?
19:27.18cog|workblind... among other things
19:27.30Thunder_Childhairy palms?
19:29.19LunessaI can see someone banging on the office door now, "Are you misattributing in there?  It'll make you go blind!"
19:31.45LopeppeppyYou do these things in your office?
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19:32.09cog|workmy guess is that most misattribution occurs in the workplace
19:32.31LunessaOr on internet forums.  Which is usually the workplace anyway...
19:34.31cog|work"Fly, you fools!" --Frodo Baggins
19:34.36cog|workZOMG I JUST MISATTRIBUTED
19:35.20Dewin"ZOMG I JUST MISATTRIBUTED" - Shirik
19:35.35Dewinthis can get fun fast
19:36.08cog|workself:SetAttribute("miss", true)
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20:12.34zenzelezzif you're the guild leader of a two-person guild, and you /gquit, does the last remaining person become leader?
20:13.02durcynyou can't quit until you give someone else leader
20:13.06TekkubI believe it won't let you gquit
20:13.09durcynso it'd be that or disband
20:13.15Tekkubyou have to disband or pass it
20:13.16zenzelezzhm, all right
20:13.39LopeppeppyPass it formally.
20:14.43zenzelezzwell the thing is I'm going for a free transfer before it ends; but this guy has been in the guild since I formed it for kicks close to a year ago
20:14.54zenzelezzso he's either really lazy, or just likes carrying the label
20:15.24zenzelezzbut he doesn't log very often :-p Guess he'll just have to cope with losing the tag
20:15.51durcyndoes passing guild leader still require the target to be online?  i thought that was fixed
20:16.00LopeppeppyI think you can do it while they're offline.
20:16.32zenzelezz"'...' not found."
20:16.48LopeppeppyThat sucks moose.
20:16.52Xinhuanthe target must be online
20:17.01Xinhuanjust ginvite some random lvl 1
20:17.06Xinhuanand pass it to him
20:17.17Xinhuanor gdisband it
20:17.21zenzelezzmeh, it can't be that important. He can reform it if he cares
20:17.44Gnarfozbetter than passing it to someone else who can kick him and block him thus
20:17.45Gnarfoz:p
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20:20.03AckisWorkzenzelezz: just get one of the peopel in the channel to create a level 1 for you to pass it to
20:21.39AbsolutRayne_la la la
20:21.57foxlitCNN headline: "'Monster snake' remains found"
20:22.25LopeppeppyI love monster snakes!
20:22.37foxlitI failed at parsing that
20:22.55foxlit(perceiving remains as a verb)
20:23.01LopeppeppyOh.
20:23.17alestaneAs in, it hasn't been lost yet?
20:23.24LopeppeppyVery not lost!
20:23.35foxlitalestane: something odd along those lines
20:25.53alestanezenzelezz: You might send the fellow an in-game mail explaining that you're not evicting him personally, just abandoning the guild in general, if you wanted to be polite.
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20:47.54LunessaI have this monstrous Snickers bar on my desk, it's taunting me.  I'm not sure I have enough Nougat Resist gear to hold out much longer.
20:49.41Lopeppeppy.... if you don't want it, I'll eat it.
20:50.06Lunessa"Please sir, I want some more?"
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21:00.51cog|workso apparently i'm now the Designated Skeptic of the family... They've all started forwarding e-mails to me for my analysis before they hit the "forward to everyone i know" buttons...
21:02.23cog|worka rather ironic response to my pleas that they stop mindlessly forwarding snopes-worthy messages to me... now they're doing it mindfully...
21:02.50cog|workjust hope my replies make it back up the chain
21:03.07foxlitat least you're not the designated dispassionate dyspeptic.
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21:10.17Adys~wwquotes
21:10.17purlhttp://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes
21:12.10Adys~wowiquotes
21:12.11purlhttp://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes
21:12.13Adysthere !
21:14.22Lunessacog|work: It took nearly 10 years to get my family to start using snopes and other fact-checking sites before forwarding me e-mails.  Hang in there, it CAN be done.
21:16.15Hirsute*wishes he could get his family to do that*
21:17.30cog|workwell, it also goes pretty far beyond the "HAI GUIZ CHEK DIS OUT!" sometimes... For example, this response took me four hours of research and I ended up blogging it for posterity: http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009/01/sour-sweets.html
21:19.41AbsolutRayneIm honestly considering going back to my old tanking helm, just because of the fact I hate how low my Dodge is... :/
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21:20.10cog|workneed new shocks imo
21:20.18cog|work~rimshot
21:20.19purlba-dum CHH
21:20.46AbsolutRaynehttp://www.instantrimshot.com
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21:24.01Anaralcog|work: Thank ye.
21:24.17Mike-N-GoXinhuan: ping
21:24.19AnaralXchat's update sort of screwed up my settings for some reason.
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21:24.49cog|workssh->screen->irssi ftw
21:25.00End^
21:25.55AnaralThanks for the recommendation.
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21:28.29Lunessacog|work: Seriously, if your family puts you through that much work on a regular basis, I understand why you have no free time.
21:29.40cog|workLuckily it's a relatively recent development, and I have no qualms about putting things off until i'm damn good and ready :P
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21:33.18Lunessacog|work: Good man.
21:33.28LunessaSinckers Bar 7 : Lunessa 0
21:33.50AquavetteComputer Viruses == less wow development time, sigh...
21:33.57cog|workLunessa: the trouble is i'm also good at putting things off beyond the point I'm good and ready ...
21:34.04cog|work><
21:34.20Lunessacog|work: Me too.  Like, I need to go get my car inspected... for like 2 months.
21:35.00cog|workmy station wagon's registration is due in 9 days and I still haven't had the check engine light diagnosed so it'll pass smog...
21:35.16Aquavettewait, road inspection?
21:35.22Aquavettewhere do you live?
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21:36.29cog|worktexas
21:37.39Aquavetteah, didn't know they did that in the states, thought that was an over seas thing
21:38.01cog|worki'm in ca ... we don't have inspections
21:38.27cog|workall those kinds of regulations are at the state level so it varies widely
21:38.41Aquavetteah, i'm in indiana, they don't give a piss what you drive here
21:38.49Aquavetteas long as its licensed
21:39.14Aquavettefriend in the UK though, they have to take their car to a mechanic or something for a sign off
21:39.17Aquavettebefore they can license it
21:39.19cog|workheh. CA's a bit more picky i'd guess... It's pretty easy to fail smog
21:39.43Aquavetteyea, well, CA has a problem with ozone, they are kinda fresh out
21:40.00cog|workno it's the other problem with ozone...
21:40.05cog|worktoo much at ground level ;P
21:40.46cog|workand hasn't the antarctic ozone hole been closing up since most countries banned CFCs?
21:41.05Anaralbrb, then I won't log for a while. ;)
21:41.15Aquavettehonestly, i can't remember
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21:41.29Aquavetteand its not that big o deal, hell global warming is a myth
21:41.42Aquavetteits called "Weather Patterns"
21:42.25cog|work...
21:42.27HirsuteSure, global warming is a myth if you ignore every bit of reputable research on the subject.
21:42.36Aquavettethat was a joke...
21:42.52AquavetteI wasn't serious
21:42.52cog|workAquavette: sarcasm + text = bad :P
21:43.01Aquavetteyea
21:43.03Aquavettei know
21:43.05HirsuteFair enough (I regularly interact with people who make that argument in complete seriousness)
21:43.12cog|workespecially when it's something a lot of people truely believe :)
21:43.28Aquavettesorry i'm tired, i'm goiung on like week of bad sleep, i'm out of narcolepsy medication
21:44.25cog|worklooks like the ozone hole was largest in 06, significantly smaller in 07, and then somewhere in between for 08
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21:45.45Aquavettetoo much news to follow, so much stuff going on world wide
21:47.54AquavetteAnyone here messed around with WoW UI Designer before?
21:48.31KirovAquavette - once
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21:48.54AquavetteI've been playing with the newest version, because i'm kinda tired of going everything in scite
21:49.08KirovI'm the type of person who writes web pages in notepad though, I tend to stay away from most WYSIWYG type programs.
21:49.23Aquavettesee, i do most everything in scite
21:49.28Aquavetteor notepad plus
21:49.52KirovTechnically I use TextPad (which I don't suggest anyone else use), but yeah.
21:49.57alestaneI haven't tried WoW UI Designer lately. My initial impression was, a useful idea, wretchedly implemented.
21:50.24Aquavettesee, thats what i got, useful idea (ide), implementation, (meh)
21:50.33KirovI tend to find most visual UI designers let you make something that works fine, as long as you don't ever want to have it work at multiple sizes.
21:50.45Aquavetteyea, i agree with you kirov
21:56.28cog|workgmail down for anyone else?
21:56.39cog|worknm... better now
21:57.54Kirovcog|work - it's been slow for me today fairly often
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22:03.27Shirik|Ecolewelp,, I got kicked out of the lab :P
22:03.32Shirik|EcoleApparently I'm doing too much work and need to take a break
22:03.48foxlithttp://slashdot.org
22:03.49HirsuteAh, I was going to ask if you were swearing at someone or looking at pronz
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22:05.27cog|workShirik|Ecole: http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/
22:05.41Shirik|Ecoleuh
22:05.46Shirik|Ecolewhy are you linking this to me?
22:05.57cog|workyou seem to be in search of something to consume your time
22:06.17Shirik|Ecolenegative, I have a test tomorrow
22:06.26Thunder_Childgo go rain!
22:06.29Shirik|Ecoleand if I had free time I'd be working on the mmoui manager
22:06.37cog|workThunder_Child: 4rl!
22:06.54Thunder_Childit's raining up by you as well cog|work?
22:07.02cog|workyup
22:07.12Thunder_Childi was surprised after yesterdays temp of 80
22:07.21Thunder_Childbut glad
22:07.53cog|workwe actually got a small preview yesterday, being the first gloomy cloudy day in weeks
22:07.58mikmaanyone has any idea whats the current honor-cap?
22:08.07[dRaCo]75k
22:08.08mikmaand can we have more than 100 tokens of bg
22:08.13[dRaCo]no
22:08.18mikmasucks, and sucks.
22:08.23[dRaCo]yes, and yes
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22:11.52Dashkalwoot, more hints that the PTR is soonish http://www.wowblues.com/us/31-professions-preview-14910222886.html (Just a hint, no confirmation)
22:12.30HjalteDashkal: Well, it doesn't say soon :)
22:13.45DashkalThe hint being that they're referring to the PTR often again
22:13.48Tekkubholy fuck.... user has an error cause he's using sudo when he doesn't need to.. I tell him not to use sudo...
22:14.02Tekkub"Oh, that fixed it... I'd just gotten used to using sudo for everything"
22:14.08Tekkubdot dot dot
22:14.38LunessaI think as soon as I see the phrase "I am bad/terrible/horrible at macros..." I'm going to skip the rest of the post.
22:16.45Shirik|EcoleTekkub: lol
22:17.00Shirik|Ecolesudo echo hello world!
22:17.15Lunessa... omg... that's a lot of sudo
22:18.18Dashkalsudo rm -Rf / ?
22:19.10Shirik|EcoleI did something a little better
22:19.18Shirik|Ecolesudo rm -rf myDirectory /
22:19.25Dashkalor wait, not /, but close enough: /usr
22:19.52DashkalI had a list of files this project installed, and forgot to trim out the /usr entry
22:20.31Shirik|EcoleI just accidentally put a space between folder name and /
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22:22.35Tekkubman, not only does CO's state tax online filing look like it's still HTML1.0 ... it loses data when you log back in
22:22.56Tekkubit's not showing tax withheld, and thus I owe money now... glad I printed the page when I filed
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22:52.20Shirik|Ecolerawr
22:52.21Shirik|Ecoleagain
22:54.08cog|worknou
22:54.53Shirik|Ecole:(
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22:55.22Shirik|Ecoleis muzzle really a verb?
22:55.26Shirik|Ecole~dict muzzle
22:55.31cog|workis it just me or is the paint.net installer's "optimization" step just a ploy to keep the donate button on the screen?
22:55.39Shirik|Ecole~dict 2 muzzle
22:55.44Shirik|EcoleI guess it is
22:56.01Thunder_ChildShirik|Ecole, i may not be able to spell all that well but my vocab is huge
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22:56.13Shirik|EcoleI only ever heard it used as a noun
22:56.24Thunder_Childi get that stuff wrong rarely
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23:02.18Spellbinderi rarely get that stuff wrong, i say this not to be an ass, but to learn, couse i am swede
23:02.20Olorin`gotta love it when your dang raid array suddeny dies and you have to restore whole system from backups :/
23:02.30SpellbinderThunder_Child?
23:03.47Shirik|EcoleOlorin`: Gogo raid 1
23:04.04Thunder_ChildSpellbinder, what?
23:04.19Olorin`I know, was my home system and was using 0 for performance
23:04.28cog|workgogo raid 5 imo
23:04.46Thunder_ChildSpellbinder, if you mean the positioning i did that on purpose
23:05.16NeoTronOlorin`: what is this "backup" of which you speak?
23:05.21Olorin`crappy WD disks, had 4/6 fail in 3 years, I now buy seagate
23:05.40cog|workThunder_Child: Spellbinder: it's not really incorrect though
23:05.49Olorin`I use trueimage to keep backup of my system in its installed state
23:06.14ArrowmasterOlorin`: ive had almost as bad of a failure rate with WD too
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23:06.33Thunder_Childit's not the common way to say/write it cog|work, but i wouldnt know if it was 'wrong' or not. i dont do the whole english thing
23:07.25Olorin`funny thing is i now get 60fps in undercity with new ati 9.1 drivers
23:10.33Shirik|EcoleOlorin`: fyi, WD's materials are crap
23:11.04nevcairielI've never had a WD break, and i run only WDs currently
23:11.06nevcairielso shrug
23:11.22Shirik|Ecoleyou also aren't an american
23:11.30Pneumatusi've never had problems with WDs, Maxtors on the other hand are a whole other story
23:11.35Shirik|Ecoleaccording to bush, that means you are wrong in every way, shape or form
23:11.52nevcairielgood that bush is back in texas now, huh
23:12.07Shirik|Ecoleyes
23:12.09Shirik|Ecolevery much so
23:12.39nevcairielactually, i lied, i run one samsung disc
23:12.49nevcairieland several other WDs
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23:15.04Olorin`well ive run many over the years, worst i used was IBM deathdisk both of them went, maxtors were little better but died 2 years on.... roll on solid state disks
23:15.29nevcairieleven SSD can break some day
23:16.10Shirik|Ecolelies nevcairiel
23:16.32Olorin`true but I suspect they will be somewhat more predictable, remapping shouldl be possible unless the memcontroller chip dies
23:16.39Shirik|Ecoleof course, if memristor technology keeps advancing like it is....
23:16.46Shirik|Ecolewe could have some really fun stuff in the near future
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23:17.35nevcairielI'm still wondering how good RAM will be on memristors, all the constant refreshes required right now will be virtually gone, right?
23:19.01Shirik|Ecolepossible, but right now memristors are slower than RAM
23:19.12Shirik|Ecolepartially because you have to read using AC
23:21.36Spellbinderoh i have no clue what you are talking about, but nothing can be faster then RAM
23:21.37ShiibotNew WoW-US Server Alert: February 3, 2009, 9:15PM PST
23:21.37ShiibotWe are now offering free character moves from select high population PvP realms. These moves are scheduled to end Tuesday, February 10, at 8:00 PM PST provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. We recommend to anyone who wishes to use the free character move system to do so at your earliest convenience.
23:21.37ShiibotTo find out if your realm is eligible and begin your free move, go to https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/ and click on the "Free Character Move" link.PvE free character moves coming soon.
23:21.45Spellbinderwow
23:21.47Spellbinderoh i have no clue what you are talking about, but nothing can be faster then RAM
23:21.57Shirik|EcoleSpellbinder: What do you call registers?
23:22.01Tullersram!
23:22.09Spellbinderstill slower
23:22.16Shirik|Ecoleregisters are slower than ram?
23:22.23SpellbinderRAM is primary memory
23:22.32nevcairielregisters are CPU
23:22.38nevcairielCPU > RAM
23:22.38Spellbinderno
23:22.41Shirik|EcoleSpellbinder... I'm trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or really have no idea what you're talking about
23:22.52Tullersameish
23:23.04|Jelly|My roomie just got a snuggie.
23:23.07|Jelly|. . .
23:23.08Spellbindero well if thats the case this night might not be good
23:23.10Shirik|Ecolea what?
23:23.11nevcairielThey should build RAM out of flip-flops on CPU tact
23:23.14SpellbinderShirik
23:23.22Shirik|Ecolehaha, nevcairiel
23:23.28Shirik|Ecoledo you have any idea how big that would be?
23:23.29|Jelly|Shirik: https://www.getsnuggie.com/flare/next
23:23.44nevcairielShirik|Ecole: not exactly, but i know it would be too big, and thats why you don't do it :)
23:24.07Shirik|Ecolewell, suffice to say, and and/or gate requires ... 4 transistors
23:24.08Spellbinderand register != cpu
23:24.13Shirik|Ecolea D flip flop requires...
23:24.21Spellbinderregister is software
23:24.32Shirik|Ecole6 and gates I think
23:24.36Shirik|Ecolea register is definitely not software
23:24.41Shirik|Ecoleso 6 * 4 = 24 transistors
23:24.47Spellbinderwow
23:24.57Tullerso, is that a reverse robe
23:25.02Shirik|Ecolewhereas DRAM is what, 1 capacitor and...
23:25.07nevcairielimho a D-FF requires 5 gates
23:25.09nevcairielbut shrug
23:25.12nevcairielnot much of a difference
23:25.13Shirik|Ecole1 capacitor and something
23:25.17Spellbinderoh please first of all drop that D
23:25.18Shirik|Ecoleok I was slightly off :P
23:25.25SpellbinderRAM
23:25.28Spellbinderis RAM
23:25.29Shirik|EcoleSpellbinder. Seriously.
23:25.29Zyndromehttp://www.coolepochcountdown.com/
23:25.31Shirik|EcoleI'm a computer engineer.
23:25.35Shirik|EcoleI said DRAM for a reason
23:25.39Spellbinderso hi
23:25.40Shirik|EcoleSRAM does not work with capacitors
23:26.31nevcairielwtb 4GB SRAM memory
23:27.04nevcairielanyway, how does even come to the conclusion that registers are software?
23:27.21nevcairiels/does/does one/
23:27.24Shirik|EcoleI would like to know that too
23:27.36Spellbinderim not going to argue, just show me where it says the register would be hardware and not software
23:27.41Kalroth_registers and stack are obviously 100% software based!
23:27.48Shirik|EcoleIn every one of my textbooks, Spellbinder
23:27.50nevcairiel~lart Kalroth_
23:27.50purlgets a hotmal account and SPAMs Kalroth_
23:28.01Spellbinderno
23:28.05Spellbindershow me i said
23:28.11Shirik|Ecolehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_register
23:28.16Spellbinderthere has to be one saite
23:28.24Spellbinderuh?
23:28.34SpellbinderProcessor_register
23:28.52Shirik|EcoleYes, as opposed to "Register" because there are a million different meanings of "Register"
23:28.55Kalroth_"In computer architecture, a processor register is a small amount of storage available to the VB software programs whose contents can be accessed more quickly than storage available elsewhere."
23:28.56Shirik|EcoleCash register?
23:28.57Kalroth_See!
23:28.58Shirik|EcoleRegistry?
23:29.05Spellbinderi dont know what that is really, but i am talking about like windows register
23:29.07Shirik|Ecoleok Kalroth, be quiet
23:29.14Shirik|EcoleThat would be the registry, Spellbinder
23:29.14Kalroth_:(
23:29.23Spellbinderyeah
23:29.26Kalroth_lol
23:29.27Shirik|EcoleVery different
23:29.28nevcairielKalroth_: VB? seriously?
23:29.33Spellbinderoooh
23:29.35Spellbinderfuck
23:29.36Kalroth_nevcairiel: haha, I edited the paste :P
23:29.42nevcairielI know
23:29.44nevcairielbut why VB
23:29.52Kalroth_worst language I could think of
23:29.56nevcairiellol
23:29.59Shirik|EcoleA register is a combination of D flip flops to store data
23:30.04Kalroth_seemed fitting to limit CPU registers to VB programs only
23:30.14Shirik|EcoleIt is the fastest possible way to store digital data currently
23:30.29nevcairielI wonder if a VB programmer would've even heard of registers
23:30.32Spellbinderin any way i meant registry, my bad for bad english
23:31.11Kalroth_nevcairiel: I doubt you'd ever need it as a VB programmer
23:31.20Shirik|Ecoleanyway, nevcairiel, I have periodically thought about the possibility of making computers without ram by using memristor technology
23:31.24nevcairielClearly, VB needs inline assembly
23:31.30Tullerit does
23:31.39Kalroth_I love inline ASM in Delphi :p
23:31.46Shirik|EcoleUnlikely to happen, but arguable
23:31.46Tullerdelphi is evil
23:31.54Shirik|EcoleLisp is evil
23:31.59Kalroth_Tuller is evil
23:32.22Kalroth_and I doubt VB can do inline asm :)
23:32.23Spellbinderooh, <Kalroth_> "In computer architecture, a processor register is a small amount of storage available to the VB software programs whose contents can be accessed more quickly than storage available elsewhere."
23:32.27Spellbinderi c
23:32.31Kalroth_Spellbinder: no no no
23:32.34Spellbinderthen i bow
23:32.35Kalroth_Ignore that sentence, please
23:32.36nevcairielrofl
23:32.41Kalroth_Man :P
23:32.45Tullerlisp is only smelly
23:32.53Kalroth_Shirik is going to kill me :(
23:32.53Shirik|Ecoleno
23:32.59Spellbinderno?
23:32.59Shirik|Ecolelisp (is smelly)
23:33.02Spellbinderwth
23:33.09Spellbinderpls im drunk
23:33.13Shirik|EcoleSpellbinder, ignore that sentence by Kalroth
23:33.13Kalroth_Spellbinder: This is the true sentence
23:33.14Kalroth_"In computer architecture, a processor register is a small amount of storage available on the CPU whose contents can be accessed more quickly than storage available elsewhere."
23:33.44Spellbinderthats what i read
23:33.49Kalroth_><
23:33.58Spellbinderoh VB software
23:34.02Kalroth_:P
23:34.30Spellbinderanyway i was wrong but i was talking about something completely different
23:34.36Kalroth_I was just trolling, Shirik has already added another point to my name in his black book
23:34.45Tulleri also think i simultaneously like/hate c# at this point
23:34.46Spellbinderlol
23:34.50Kalroth_Yup, you were talking about Windows Registry :)
23:34.55Spellbinderyeah
23:35.09Tullerwhich is faster than ramming a pen in your face
23:35.23Kalroth_Tuller: C# isn't bad, I could certainly think of worse languages
23:35.25Spellbinderif you do it in slowmotion
23:35.31SpellbinderTuller
23:35.42Spellbinderthe registry that is
23:35.51Kalroth_nevcairiel: oh btw, I got Immortal today!
23:36.00nevcairielmeh
23:36.07nevcairielmy guild is too stupid to do that
23:36.20TullerKalroth:
23:36.23Tullerdamn you internet
23:36.28Kalroth_Full 25 man raid too, none of those "20 man leave the losers outside" raids
23:36.29Shirik|EcoleKalroth <3
23:36.43Tullereither way, I just sortof feel c# is too big :P
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23:36.52nevcairielKalroth: we will probably do the 20-no-loser thign :p
23:36.57Spellbinderwth
23:37.01Kalroth_Best moment was 5 people disconnecting on 4H, that fight is really borked
23:37.01Spellbinderooh
23:37.03SpellbinderKalroth
23:37.13Spellbinderyou on quakenet too :)
23:37.17Kalroth_Yessir :)
23:37.29Spellbinderlol i was like wtf just now
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23:37.47Kalroth_I troll a lot of places, I'm not content with one channel!
23:38.04Spellbinder<--- same same
23:38.13Spellbinder5 servers
23:38.33Spellbindera 10th of channels i used to be in
23:38.36Kalroth_And why are you drunk on a Thursday?
23:38.45Kalroth_Oh, nevermind, you're swedish :P
23:38.48Spellbinderi was downtown today
23:38.53Spellbinderyeah
23:39.13Spellbinderhad to take the oportunity
23:39.25Kalroth_Our Raid Leader is swedish too and he always drinks during raids, it's the only way he can stand us
23:39.44Spellbinderi bet :)
23:48.25LunessaI wish I were drunk.
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