| 00:00.00 | End | well, there's the pattern too |
| 00:00.08 | End | but the jar gives the wolvar costume |
| 00:00.10 | End | and that's ALL the jar gives |
| 00:00.43 | Amarande | I find it hard to motivate myself to quest lately on my warlock though |
| 00:00.47 | Amarande | other than the JC and cooking dailies |
| 00:00.51 | Amarande | I think I'm getting burnt out |
| 00:00.56 | End | I ran out of quests |
| 00:01.22 | Amarande | I think I might take a break from WoW till I come back from my trip to Seattle later this month |
| 00:01.29 | bleeter | Tekkub: 'Cannot find zone "The Shaper's Terrace", using current zone' FAIL :P |
| 00:01.50 | Amarande | bleeter: don't you mean 'The MAKERS' Terrace'? |
| 00:02.20 | Amarande | everything in northrend related to that was the Makers' whatnot, not the Shapers' |
| 00:02.22 | bleeter | Amarande: no, Shaper's Terrace Un'goro. Maker's Terrace, Maker's Overlook are in Northrend :P |
| 00:02.43 | Amarande | ah, you mean the part of Northrend-that-isn't-Northrend? |
| 00:03.07 | NightHawkTheSane | its not part of northrend, no matter how you slice it |
| 00:03.16 | Amarande | Night: it's basically a de facto part of northrend |
| 00:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | no. it's not |
| 00:03.22 | Amarande | seeing as the only way in is via a teleporter in northrend |
| 00:03.30 | Amarande | it is inaccessible from normal-Azeroth |
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| 00:03.35 | Amarande | therefore, for practical purposes it's part of northrend |
| 00:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | it's physically located in un'goro, you actually teleport to kalimdor. it's IN ungoro |
| 00:03.53 | Dewin | it's not part of northrend, but it's part of WOTLK. Does that end the argument? |
| 00:04.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: that, at least, is accurate. |
| 00:04.16 | bleeter | Dewin: if I had Classic, could I get ported up here by locks? hmmm |
| 00:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: actually, yes |
| 00:04.33 | bleeter | if so, is it 'part' of WotLK |
| 00:04.43 | Amarande | bleeter: yay, semantics |
| 00:04.44 | bleeter | bwahahaha |
| 00:04.56 | Amarande | this is like trying to say that the level 68-70 mobs around Kara are part of Classic rather than part of BC |
| 00:05.10 | kd3 | "inaccessible" |
| 00:05.28 | Amarande | or the Caverns of Time |
| 00:05.28 | kd3 | saw a lot of reports of people using rocket boots to get up there pre-wrath release |
| 00:05.28 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: but, given that it was added in the 3.0 patch (before wotlk's release, to be sure, but i digress) one could still argue it's wotlk content |
| 00:05.35 | Amarande | what was in the caverns of time before BC? |
| 00:05.44 | bleeter | bit fat wall |
| 00:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 00:05.47 | bleeter | *big |
| 00:05.48 | kd3 | a cave that required some creative exploring to get in to |
| 00:05.52 | NightHawkTheSane | also that |
| 00:06.54 | haste | Amarande: empty space mostly :p |
| 00:07.01 | haste | you entered and you would only see the sky |
| 00:07.05 | haste | and the tower |
| 00:07.48 | yabo | gah |
| 00:07.52 | yabo | why wont my frame show? |
| 00:08.00 | yabo | i used the code from http://home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow/uitutorial/ |
| 00:08.15 | Cairenn | http://wowuidev.pastey.net <== paste your code, give us the link |
| 00:08.18 | kd3 | check ~/wow/Logs/FrameXML.log, make sure you aren't getting any errors there |
| 00:08.38 | Cairenn | ^^ too |
| 00:09.10 | haste | http://miscellanea.wellingtongrey.net/comics/2009-02-02-idiots.png |
| 00:09.31 | yabo | oh oh |
| 00:09.36 | yabo | nvm, i didnt change my old toc |
| 00:09.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.51 | Arrowmaster | local fs = f:CreateFontString("$parentText","ARTWORK","GameFontNormal") |
| 00:09.55 | Arrowmaster | that doesnt even work does it? |
| 00:11.02 | haste | unless you want a global named $parentText |
| 00:13.43 | yabo | about that |
| 00:14.09 | yabo | if i, aidsplayer = UnitName("player") |
| 00:14.21 | yabo | can i local fs = f:CreateFontString("aidsplayer","ARTWORK","GameFontNormal") |
| 00:14.23 | yabo | ? |
| 00:14.27 | yabo | should those ""s be there? |
| 00:14.41 | yabo | wait |
| 00:14.46 | yabo | in the xml i mean |
| 00:15.05 | yabo | <FontString name="aidsplayer" inherits="GameFontNormal" setallpoints="true" /> |
| 00:15.19 | yabo | is that right, or should it be name=aidsplayer without ""? |
| 00:16.25 | yabo | turns out the ""s are supposed to be there |
| 00:16.26 | yabo | thanks anyway |
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| 00:17.46 | alestane | In XML, the values of tag attributes should ALWAYS be quoted. |
| 00:17.59 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Ping |
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| 00:19.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I finally got a crash dump ScytheBlade1 :P |
| 00:19.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Probably caused by : dxgkrnl.sys ( dxgkrnl+b253 ) |
| 00:25.48 | Amarande | "it's windows' fault"? |
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| 00:31.05 | yabo | Binding TOGGLECURRENCY is defined more than once in Interface\FrameXML\Bindings.xml |
| 00:31.06 | yabo | ? |
| 00:41.24 | Arrowmaster | blizzard bug |
| 00:52.15 | mikma | god damnit |
| 00:52.22 | mikma | the time when i want to pvp all the instances fail to load |
| 00:52.34 | mikma | same goes with arena = -16 points |
| 00:53.07 | Cide | so what's up with doing arena, and losing 25 points every time and when you win, you gain 1-3 points? |
| 00:53.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Pop quiz |
| 00:53.16 | Shirik|Ecole | Please state the name of what you think the worst IDE for Windows is |
| 00:53.30 | kd3 | netbeans |
| 00:53.33 | mikma | shirik|ecole: A -> IDEA ;) |
| 00:53.35 | bleeter | notepad |
| 00:53.46 | Cide | not an ide :P |
| 00:53.53 | bleeter | it's got save |
| 00:53.57 | bleeter | n load n copy n paste |
| 00:54.03 | bleeter | :P |
| 00:54.13 | bleeter | and really crap char conversions too :D |
| 00:55.12 | End | notepad is terrible |
| 00:59.39 | bleeter | outlook express is also very crap as an IDE |
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| 01:04.15 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart bleeter |
| 01:04.15 | purl | follow's bleeter with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 01:09.36 | mikma | shirik|ecole: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/grr.jpg wheres your ide now?!?! |
| 01:10.08 | Thunder_Child | in ur computer rearanging your bits |
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| 01:23.01 | rapidgame | is it possible to put hyper links in Curse Wiki Markup? |
| 01:24.46 | End | isn't it just a variant of mediawiki's markup? |
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| 01:26.16 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5144767/indias-10-laptop-is-actually-20-will-be-unveiled-tomorrow |
| 01:26.21 | Thunder_Child | a $20 laptop would be nice |
| 01:27.13 | rapidgame | End: figured it out, [http://link.com link text] |
| 01:28.16 | Amarande | Shirik: Worst IDE for Windows? COPY CON |
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| 01:32.59 | Lunessa | Ugh... that's worse than EDLIN |
| 01:33.36 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5144205/windows-7-comfortably-scales-to-600mhz-512mb-umpc |
| 01:40.00 | Shirik|Ecole | What exactly does "foo effects bar" mean? |
| 01:40.04 | Shirik|Ecole | (sic) |
| 01:43.01 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: question is what could you possibly expect it to do? |
| 01:43.27 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, more than nothing |
| 01:43.49 | NeoTron | wouldn't expect much more :P |
| 01:50.18 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 01:50.45 | NightHawkTheSane | So, Baggins question. Anyone know a good rule setup to get Raw Tradeskill mats, but not any of the crafted-items-used-as-mats? |
| 01:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ie, mana/health pots, etc. |
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| 02:00.09 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [February 2, 2009, 5:55PM PST] |
| 02:00.09 | Shiibot | We will be performing a series of rolling restarts on all realms for our scheduled weekly maintenance on Tuesday, February 3rd. The restarts for all US realms will begin at 5:00AM PST and all Oceanic realms will begin at 10:00AM PST (Wednesday, February 4th at 5:00AM AEDT). The realms will be down for approximately 15 minutes each for the rolling restarts. |
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| 02:09.08 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [February 2, 2009, 5:55PM PST] |
| 02:09.08 | Shiibot | We will be performing a series of rolling restarts on all realms for our scheduled weekly maintenance on Tuesday, February 3rd. The restarts for all US realms will begin at 5:00AM PST and all Oceanic realms will begin at 10:00AM PST (Wednesday, February 4th at 5:00AM AEDT). The realms will be down for approximately 15 minutes each for the rolling restarts. |
| 02:16.16 | Shirik|Ecole | quiet you |
| 02:17.09 | Lopeppeppy | Shhhh, Shirik's studying. |
| 02:17.42 | Shirik|Ecole | no, Shirik's writing a paper |
| 02:17.47 | Shirik|Ecole | yay |
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| 02:18.04 | Shirik|Ecole | like paper for a conference |
| 02:18.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yay fun. I hate that sort of thing. |
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| 02:19.11 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's great for a resume |
| 02:19.29 | kd3 | sigh |
| 02:20.29 | Lopeppeppy | That it is, darlin', so nose to the grindstone and stuff. *hug* |
| 02:20.57 | Shirik|Ecole | ow |
| 02:21.03 | Shirik|Ecole | why would you do that |
| 02:21.40 | Lopeppeppy | *huggles* Okay, um.... what metaphoric stuipd cliche would you prefer I used to be generically encouraging? |
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| 02:27.53 | cloudwolf | Is there a good addon out there to look at (simple) that has most frame elements exampled on it? |
| 02:28.02 | cloudwolf | such as buttons titles editboxes checkboxes etc |
| 02:33.00 | p3lim | The glow around the whole UIParent that blizzard uses |
| 02:33.04 | p3lim | what is the name of that? |
| 02:33.07 | cloudwolf | i feel ignored :P |
| 02:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: it's much cheaper than a professional nose flattener? |
| 02:33.16 | p3lim | maybe there is a function to spawn it and make it glow too? |
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| 02:33.46 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: there is, i forget the exact name, but I think Omen has code to use it |
| 02:33.53 | p3lim | hm |
| 02:33.58 | p3lim | omen is a big piece of code |
| 02:34.49 | Shirik|Ecole | the glow |
| 02:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ~seen xinhuan |
| 02:34.50 | purl | xinhuan <i=xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 13m 49s ago, saying: 'i didn't know how complex it is'. |
| 02:34.50 | Shirik|Ecole | it's... |
| 02:34.50 | Shirik|Ecole | Not a frame |
| 02:34.50 | Shirik|Ecole | UIFrameFlash or something like that |
| 02:34.50 | Shirik|Ecole | search for that |
| 02:34.51 | NightHawkTheSane | is purl laggy? |
| 02:35.08 | Shirik|Ecole | how ironic |
| 02:35.49 | p3lim | great |
| 02:35.49 | p3lim | 404 Not Found |
| 02:35.53 | p3lim | from the download page |
| 02:36.18 | cloudwolf | so does any one know of a good frame to look at that examples most of the frame elements? |
| 02:38.09 | p3lim | didnt find any on UIFrameFlash |
| 02:38.30 | p3lim | omen made an own function for that flash |
| 02:41.03 | AnduinLothar | lol. we're gonna 12man sarth |
| 02:43.14 | sacarasc | Why? |
| 02:43.57 | bleeter | coz its there |
| 02:44.25 | AnduinLothar | guild's mid-disband |
| 02:44.41 | AnduinLothar | we've done sarth 3d, but we dont have half the guild |
| 02:44.51 | AnduinLothar | so we're gonna 12 man sarth 25 0 drake |
| 02:45.03 | AnduinLothar | expecting harder time on trash than boss |
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| 02:46.57 | sacarasc | Yeah, trash will probably be hard |
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| 02:49.23 | Lunessa | And when I was strong enough, I dedicated my life to the study of fencing. So the next time we meet, I will not fail. I will go up to the six-fingered man and say, "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." |
| 02:50.10 | AnduinLothar | meh looks liek we have 16, this is gonna be ez |
| 02:50.25 | Lunessa | : D |
| 02:51.16 | cloudwolf | well i feel verry ignored... |
| 02:51.24 | bleeter | If Guybrush Threepwood taught me anything about life... it was to stick it in my pants |
| 02:52.22 | Corrodias | it being anything in particular, or just things in general? |
| 02:52.58 | cloudwolf | corrodias are you talking to me or someone else? XD |
| 02:53.05 | bleeter | cloudwolf: maybe no one can answer your question because (a) they don't know (b) you phrased the question poorly. not saying it's a or b, there may be a c... |
| 02:53.14 | Corrodias | to bleeter |
| 02:53.22 | cloudwolf | ah k corrodias |
| 02:53.39 | Corrodias | i never did much writing for addons |
| 02:54.08 | bleeter | Corrodias: after much consideration of the question, and believe me I've spent a number of years thinking about the question you ask, the answer is more than likely 'yes' |
| 02:54.17 | cloudwolf | Simply put im looking for an example of the frame api (yes i know where it is) but i would like an example of how to use editbox checkbox title etc properly ina simple addon that i can look at the code for examples. |
| 02:55.12 | cloudwolf | hmm also would like it to be in a lua script not an xml |
| 02:55.14 | bleeter | cloudwolf: i dunno, not my field |
| 02:55.36 | bleeter | maybe the book might help /shrug |
| 02:56.04 | cloudwolf | ah the joy of not having the book nor being entirley addicted to wow. more fun to write addons for it atm than it is to play wow. |
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| 02:57.04 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 02:57.05 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 02:57.15 | bleeter | ~botsnack |
| 02:57.15 | purl | thanks, bleeter |
| 02:57.17 | bleeter | wb purl |
| 02:58.18 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, welcome |
| 02:58.19 | purl | It's great to be here! |
| 02:58.42 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, wb |
| 02:58.42 | purl | thx |
| 02:58.43 | AnduinLothar | Pro Tip: sarth is impossible without a decurser |
| 02:58.59 | Shirik|Ecole | .... huh? |
| 02:59.06 | Shirik|Ecole | what decurse |
| 02:59.21 | AnduinLothar | healing curse ftl |
| 02:59.34 | Shirik|Ecole | there's a healing curse? |
| 02:59.52 | AnduinLothar | from the trash lulz |
| 02:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, dearest darling pancake pockets... write your paper!! |
| 02:59.57 | Shirik|Ecole | ah right |
| 03:00.00 | Shirik|Ecole | that part important |
| 03:00.06 | Shirik|Ecole | pancake pockets? |
| 03:00.26 | Lopeppeppy | Do you really, truly and for serious want me to explain, or do you prefer your head intact? |
| 03:00.44 | AnduinLothar | pocket taco imo |
| 03:00.50 | Lopeppeppy | AnduinLothar! |
| 03:01.20 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway guys, night. AnduinLothar, good luck on trashes. Shirik, same with your paper. |
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| 03:01.59 | AnduinLothar | http://www.karlkfi.com/images/PocketTaco.jpg |
| 03:02.04 | AnduinLothar | fail peppy |
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| 03:15.54 | Thunder_Child | sadly RDA doesnt look so hot anymore |
| 03:15.55 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5143828/macgruber-shills-for-pepsi-changes-name-to-pepsuber |
| 03:19.03 | Olison | Holy! |
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| 03:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: he is getting old.. |
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| 03:33.48 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, true but he was on atlantis and looked fairly good...this happened in a very short period of time |
| 03:34.52 | AnduinLothar | There, we 16man'd sarth |
| 03:35.07 | AnduinLothar | was ezmode once we had a decurser |
| 03:41.24 | kd3 | oh wow, oops. there's an icethorn growing on one of the frozen giants at thunderfall |
| 03:42.47 | Thunder_Child | does the dificulty of aquiring an item contribute to it's ilevel? |
| 03:43.27 | Amarande | doubt it |
| 03:43.39 | Amarande | how many bosses were there in, say, BC that were annoying as all hell but dropped crappy loot? |
| 03:43.42 | Thunder_Child | then see if you can figure out http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37047 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29350 |
| 03:43.53 | kd3 | http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/294/icethornrl9.jpg |
| 03:44.26 | Amarande | T_C: you can't compare ilevel between items of different quality |
| 03:44.42 | Amarande | that was only possible in level 65 and below pre-BC gear, pretty much |
| 03:44.49 | Amarande | er. |
| 03:44.50 | Amarande | wait. |
| 03:44.56 | Amarande | no |
| 03:45.03 | Amarande | but you can't compare ilvl between items of different quality, anyway |
| 03:45.15 | Amarande | an ilvl X epic and an ilvl X green are totally different animals |
| 03:46.17 | Thunder_Child | bah humbug says i |
| 03:57.11 | ZorbaTHut | it seems to be something like "itemization_points = ilevel * (quality_modifier)" |
| 03:57.24 | ZorbaTHut | the more epic it is, the more points you get per ilevel |
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| 04:07.50 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [February 2, 2009, 5:55PM PST] |
| 04:07.50 | Shiibot | We will be performing a series of rolling restarts on all realms for our scheduled weekly maintenance on Tuesday, February 3rd. The restarts for all US realms will begin at 5:00AM PST and all Oceanic realms will begin at 10:00AM PST (Wednesday, February 4th at 5:00AM AEDT). The realms will be down for approximately 15 minutes each for the rolling restarts. |
| 04:08.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, do you do a 2 hour min for Shiibot's server alert? |
| 04:09.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut is basically correct. You could compute a "total itemization points" value strictly from the item's quality and ilvl, which would give you a very generic, not really useful at all number for determining how good an item is :P |
| 04:09.14 | Shirik|Ecole | no why, Thunder_Child |
| 04:09.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, just curious how often it repeasts the same thing |
| 04:10.08 | Shirik|Ecole | That's a bug I've been trying to track down; it's supposed to auto-correct itself as a temporary solution |
| 04:10.09 | Thunder_Child | repeats* |
| 04:10.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm... not sure how that one got through |
| 04:10.26 | Shirik|Ecole | the MD5 keeps changing back and forth between 2 for the same message, and I'm not sure why |
| 04:10.31 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, why not just grep the message and only allow a change to go through |
| 04:10.40 | Shirik|Ecole | I do |
| 04:10.48 | Shirik|Ecole | well, I hash it |
| 04:10.50 | Shirik|Ecole | but same difference |
| 04:12.00 | Lunessa | Well, that hash could come with some fried eggs and toast. I'm hungry. |
| 04:14.09 | Arrowmaster | whitespace differences? |
| 04:14.32 | Arrowmaster | thats the only reason i could think of if the message doesnt change but the md5 does |
| 04:14.54 | ZorbaTHut | why not record the messages to see what the actual difference is? |
| 04:15.02 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, even better, why not just record and compare the messages? :) |
| 04:15.46 | kd3 | ouch, my herbing route is ~13k yards long in storm peaks |
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| 04:18.04 | kd3 | zoot! |
| 04:18.17 | Zootfizzle | Heya! |
| 04:18.45 | kd3 | how's things? |
| 04:19.08 | Zootfizzle | Pretty good, how 'bout yourself? |
| 04:19.58 | kd3 | glad I'm caught up enough with work to be able to play again >.> |
| 04:21.00 | Shirik|Ecole | bad Thunder_Child |
| 04:21.01 | Zootfizzle | 6.96 years remaining |
| 04:21.14 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, why is the ETA going up> |
| 04:21.16 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 04:21.18 | Zootfizzle | Because you poked me |
| 04:21.23 | Zootfizzle | Everytime you poke me it goes up a year |
| 04:21.27 | Arrowmaster | because you touch yourself at night |
| 04:21.33 | Zootfizzle | >_> |
| 04:21.35 | Thunder_Child | uhhh... |
| 04:22.19 | Zootfizzle | Thanks! |
| 04:22.27 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if i build a new uldarr map for 3.0.8 if it will look any different than the 3.0.3 one did |
| 04:23.29 | Syzgyn | Theres an Ulduar map? |
| 04:23.48 | Zootfizzle | 6.95999809 years remaining :P |
| 04:23.51 | Arrowmaster | i had one when i was updating InstanceMaps |
| 04:24.01 | Syzgyn | Link? |
| 04:24.20 | Arrowmaster | let me check if i still have a screenshot on my server |
| 04:24.45 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Zootfizzle |
| 04:24.45 | purl | Zootfizzle, you Fail! |
| 04:25.15 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 04:25.15 | purl | thanks, Thunder_Child |
| 04:25.17 | Arrowmaster | http://www.arrowmaster.net/screens/WoWScrnShot_121308_202701.jpg |
| 04:25.37 | Syzgyn | Huh, interesting |
| 04:25.54 | |Jelly| | Oh god. Ratspike. |
| 04:25.56 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: how did you get that map up? |
| 04:26.00 | Syzgyn | Yay for non-linear dungeons atleast |
| 04:26.03 | Thunder_Child | whats the name of the primary landing zone in howling fjord? |
| 04:26.05 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: haha |
| 04:26.13 | Syzgyn | TC: which faction? |
| 04:26.19 | Arrowmaster | i only have him on friends list so i know when hes afk outside the bank |
| 04:26.20 | Thunder_Child | ally |
| 04:26.23 | Zootfizzle | Nice map! |
| 04:26.29 | |Jelly| | I was an officer in JAGD; He's really not that bad. It's his brother that makes me want to kill things. |
| 04:26.36 | Syzgyn | Valgarde? |
| 04:26.48 | Thunder_Child | thanks Syzgyn |
| 04:27.11 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: made it from game files |
| 04:28.14 | p3lim | ait |
| 04:28.41 | p3lim | im off to bed, gnite |
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| 04:46.38 | Funkeh` | Could I have a tickle instead? |
| 04:46.53 | Funkeh` | Better yet a hug :/ |
| 04:47.47 | Seerah | everything okay? |
| 04:48.28 | Funkeh` | Lets just say "it could be better" :p |
| 04:49.09 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:52.08 | Seerah | o.O |
| 04:52.49 | Funkeh` | Hugging females tend to remove despression better for me than drugs, thanks ... |
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| 04:53.23 | Seerah | and it's so much cheaper, healthy, *and* legal! |
| 04:54.02 | Funkeh` | I'm surrounded by it so cost is never an issue :p |
| 04:56.50 | Amarande | besides, heroin is a depressant, Tain :P |
| 04:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE a depressant |
| 04:57.49 | Funkeh` | You know what, somehow I have a feeling we're going to launch into a debate about drugs. |
| 04:58.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Funkeh`: i'll make as many lame jokes as i have to to stop that from happening |
| 04:58.21 | Funkeh` | I love you too |
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| 04:59.12 | kd3 | raaah. is [flyable] ever going to work properly in dalaran/wintergrasp? |
| 04:59.18 | Amarande | Somehow I have a feeling this is going to end up with Night telling me I'M a Tier 7 armor token |
| 04:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: nope |
| 05:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: I tokened your mom. |
| 05:00.42 | Syzgyn | Ohhhh |
| 05:00.45 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: Actually, I suspect they don't want to do that, because it'd make Flying over/into those areas problematic, kind of like when you fly into a building, except a longer fall :P |
| 05:00.46 | Funkeh` | Your mom jokes are great at an opportune moment. |
| 05:00.50 | Funkeh` | That wasn't one of them. |
| 05:00.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Funkeh`: that's what makes it a lame joke. ;) |
| 05:01.12 | Funkeh` | Ahh, you're logic flew over me |
| 05:01.32 | NightHawkTheSane | or, alternately "I Toked your mom." |
| 05:02.45 | Shirik|Ecole | (23:53:18) (@Seerah) and it's so much cheaper, healthy, *and* legal! |
| 05:02.48 | Shirik|Ecole | That may not always be true |
| 05:02.50 | Shirik|Ecole | >.> |
| 05:03.37 | Funkeh` | O.o |
| 05:03.47 | Seerah | we said hugs shirik! :P |
| 05:03.55 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 05:04.52 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 05:04.56 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 05:05.00 | Cairenn | how goes? |
| 05:05.25 | Amarande | pretty good :) won $250 in the superbowl pool, and my trip to Seattle's next Thursday :) |
| 05:05.27 | Amarande | how's you? |
| 05:05.34 | Cairenn | cool :) |
| 05:05.38 | Cairenn | doing well enough :) |
| 05:05.43 | Funkeh` | Psshht superbowl nonsense |
| 05:05.53 | Thunder_Child | Seerah, hugging someone that doesnt want it is sexual assualt...and therefor illegal |
| 05:06.18 | Seerah | who doesn't like hugs?!? |
| 05:06.25 | Funkeh` | Satan |
| 05:06.50 | Funkeh` | I should have said Tain it would have made more sense |
| 05:06.54 | Shirik|Ecole | oh god, I feel like a C programmer |
| 05:06.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm doing magical pointer-fu |
| 05:07.10 | Amarande | C FTW |
| 05:07.31 | Shirik|Ecole | labview doesn't support arrays of strings, so I'm just packing the addresses of strings into a string |
| 05:07.35 | Shirik|Ecole | then unpacking it later |
| 05:07.40 | Shirik|Ecole | char** -> char* -> char** |
| 05:08.10 | Cairenn | Tain likes hugs, he's never complained about any of mine :p |
| 05:08.38 | Funkeh` | Was he on heroin at the time? lol |
| 05:08.44 | Cairenn | :((( |
| 05:08.48 | Cairenn | meanie! |
| 05:09.37 | Funkeh` | Well I wasn't trying to be mean :s |
| 05:10.07 | Funkeh` | Just trying to make Tain admin he's addiction, we're all here to help! |
| 05:10.10 | Seerah | he's just been promoting heroin before hugs :P |
| 05:10.21 | Funkeh` | admit* |
| 05:10.22 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 05:14.12 | Funkeh` | Gotta love 2 and a half men |
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| 05:16.37 | AnduinLothar | magical point-fu? do want |
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| 05:26.50 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:27.31 | Amarande | Seerah: yeah, we need to keep an eye on him |
| 05:27.36 | Amarande | today it will be heroin before hugs |
| 05:27.41 | Amarande | tomorrow it will be loot before loyalty |
| 05:28.02 | Tain | Make hugs not drugs. |
| 05:28.13 | Amarande | Remember. Today your kids might be using drugs. Tomorrow they might be NINJA LOOTING. |
| 05:28.21 | kd3 | oh noes! |
| 05:29.13 | Thunder_Child | does Shirik not ping Shirik|Ecole? |
| 05:29.18 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 05:29.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I need to fix that |
| 05:29.38 | Thunder_Child | ah, and here i thought you were just ignoring me |
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| 05:36.18 | Shirik|Ecole | is there something you wanted, Thunder_Child? |
| 05:36.49 | Thunder_Child | i had a really well formated question about labview Shirik|Ecole, but now i forgot it |
| 05:36.57 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 05:44.42 | Tain | I now have the highest level character I have ever had at level 77. |
| 05:46.24 | Tekkub | huzzah tax docs |
| 05:46.36 | Tekkub | I can figure out how much more money I have to give to the gov't |
| 05:48.41 | batrick | did they fix mage armor in 3.0.8 or is that where the bug was introduced |
| 05:48.43 | batrick | i can't remember |
| 05:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | "fix"? how is/was it bugged? |
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| 05:59.04 | batrick | it basically cuts dot time in half, but ticks twice as fast, effectivelyd oubling a dots dps |
| 06:07.08 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 06:07.16 | Shirik|Ecole | so mage armor is bad? :P |
| 06:07.45 | batrick | atm it's terrible |
| 06:07.45 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, only if you expect to get hit with a bad dot |
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| 06:07.58 | batrick | uh |
| 06:08.02 | batrick | if yoiu fight a lock |
| 06:08.07 | batrick | you're basically fucked if you have mage armor on |
| 06:08.09 | NightHawkTheSane | there's not a lot of pve content i can think of where that's a big deal |
| 06:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, if you pvp, you're going to die anyway |
| 06:08.54 | Kirov | hmm |
| 06:08.54 | Kirov | that'd be bad in Naxx |
| 06:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | what dots are there where that'd be a big deal? |
| 06:10.25 | Tain | I know it isn't everyone's opinion, but I still say the hell with PVP. Focus on PVE and let the PVP cry babies whine. |
| 06:11.16 | Kirov | Noth, Razuvious, Maexxna, Kel, Grobbulus |
| 06:11.23 | Tain | It doesn't matter what you do for PVP, people are going to complain no matter what. So the hell with them. |
| 06:11.41 | Kirov | Those could all be near instant deaths for the mage, or possible raid wipes |
| 06:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Tain: what magic dots are there in those fights? |
| 06:12.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Noth is a curse, grobbulus is a disease, maexnna.. has dots? o_0 |
| 06:12.16 | Kirov | Ah, only magic dots |
| 06:12.17 | Kirov | nm |
| 06:12.36 | NightHawkTheSane | "the duration of all harmful Magic effects used against you is reduced by 50%" |
| 06:12.38 | Kirov | Maex has the webbing |
| 06:12.57 | Kirov | (no type, just debuff) |
| 06:13.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm assuming it only applies to magic type debuffs |
| 06:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | I -could- be wrong. |
| 06:13.54 | Kirov | Well, if it's bugged such that dots tick twice as fast ... |
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| 06:18.48 | Shirik|Ecole | you know |
| 06:19.09 | Shirik|Ecole | It's a very odd feeling to see your program output "@`paøaIt'sajlejwfaw1uopfw |
| 06:19.10 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
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| 06:19.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I broke my keyboard trying to paste that in |
| 06:19.21 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyway! |
| 06:19.33 | Shirik|Ecole | It's very odd feeling to see your program output that^ And know it's right |
| 06:19.37 | Shirik|Ecole | and be happy |
| 06:24.32 | Kirov | wtf |
| 06:27.22 | Syzgyn | speaking of wtf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdAIt4MgnHc |
| 06:29.21 | Kirov | Major Pumping Required |
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| 06:43.03 | Shirik|Ecole | I swear I'm going to kill someone |
| 06:43.11 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm debugging this other team's code because they're worthless, right? |
| 06:43.18 | Shirik|Ecole | And I come across this line which is crashing the program |
| 06:43.19 | Shirik|Ecole | cout << "stuff -" << *itemp << "/n" << *temp; |
| 06:43.28 | Shirik|Ecole | NOT ONLY is item a number, not a string which they assume |
| 06:43.33 | Shirik|Ecole | ... wtf is /n ? |
| 06:44.18 | Kirov | newline |
| 06:44.19 | Kirov | ? |
| 06:44.41 | Thunder_Child | thats what i thought |
| 06:44.42 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 06:44.45 | Shirik|Ecole | \n would be newline |
| 06:45.03 | Thunder_Child | and it's in quotes |
| 06:48.44 | Fisker- | hey sexy Shirik |
| 06:48.58 | Fisker- | wanna kill all humans? |
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| 06:50.59 | End | I wanna kill all humans |
| 06:51.01 | End | but not with you |
| 06:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | I want to kill all Fisker-s |
| 06:52.15 | Shirik|Ecole | what ever happened to eminem? |
| 06:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | his 15 minutes ran out |
| 06:52.56 | Shirik|Ecole | he had a bit more than 15 minutes I think |
| 06:53.55 | Fisker- | i think your definition of time is shocking |
| 06:54.00 | Shirik|Ecole | here fisker, I give you a map of the subway station http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7449/subwayyn3.png |
| 06:54.21 | Kirov | He's probably living comfortably someplace away from the public eye, and away from his mom. |
| 06:54.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Yeah I never understood that |
| 06:54.43 | Fisker- | nahuh Shirik|Ecole |
| 06:54.48 | Shirik|Ecole | does he actually hate his mom or...? |
| 06:55.12 | Kirov | His mom sued him for not giving her money. |
| 06:55.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: it's a metaphore |
| 06:55.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ... really? |
| 06:55.38 | Kirov | The basic law suit was basically "I'm his mom, he should give me money" |
| 06:55.38 | Shirik|Ecole | how can you sue for that |
| 06:55.48 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 06:55.50 | Fisker- | great point |
| 06:56.00 | Fisker- | did it work? |
| 06:56.15 | Kirov | Not sure |
| 06:56.25 | Shirik|Ecole | NightHawkTheSane: That's what I thought |
| 06:56.29 | Kirov | I don't think the trial finished, but it did get in to court at some point. |
| 06:56.49 | Thunder_Child | fail court system is fail |
| 06:57.04 | Shirik|Ecole | omg I spillededed hot coffee on me give monies nao! |
| 06:57.17 | Fisker- | your mom |
| 06:57.39 | Shirik|Ecole | I should stick my hand in an electrical socket and sue the electrical guys at my school if the GFI doesn't work |
| 06:58.08 | Fisker- | or penis |
| 06:59.02 | Kirov | so, she sued him for 10million, she won $1600 |
| 06:59.27 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 06:59.32 | Fisker- | worth it |
| 06:59.57 | Fisker- | though i guess that barely covered legal fees :P |
| 07:00.05 | Kirov | Aparently he went in to rehab in 2005 for sleeping pill addiction. |
| 07:00.18 | Kirov | And he has another album coming out this year |
| 07:09.45 | Shirik|Ecole | sleeping pill addiction |
| 07:09.51 | Shirik|Ecole | at least it's something legal |
| 07:10.08 | End | no, that just makes him a pussy! |
| 07:10.11 | End | ;-) |
| 07:11.20 | Shirik|Ecole | umm |
| 07:11.21 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
| 07:11.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm browsing through my application's memory dump to try to find something |
| 07:11.33 | Shirik|Ecole | and I see this |
| 07:11.40 | End | it's a keylogger? |
| 07:11.51 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/107564 |
| 07:11.51 | Kirov | trojan.xxx.steamer |
| 07:11.57 | End | (and you didn't even realize it!) |
| 07:11.58 | Zyndrome | 'Jesus was black.' ? |
| 07:12.31 | End | Well, better hope that MIG hardware is still working properly |
| 07:12.44 | Shirik|Ecole | Isn't MIG like russian jet? |
| 07:13.15 | End | that's the first thing I can think of |
| 07:13.19 | End | but it might stand for something else |
| 07:13.21 | Shirik|Ecole | soviet* |
| 07:14.41 | End | maybe it's a memory interface generator |
| 07:15.12 | End | I really don't know |
| 07:15.24 | End | only abbreviation that even remotely seemed to make sense |
| 07:20.00 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 07:20.00 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 07:34.08 | Shirik|Ecole | *stab stab* |
| 07:34.15 | Shirik|Ecole | !g memory debug 0xFD |
| 07:34.16 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: Memory Management and the Debug Heap <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa270812(VS.60).aspx> |
| 07:34.44 | Shirik|Ecole | I swear to god these people do not know how to code |
| 07:35.05 | Shirik|Ecole | nini Cairenn|afk |
| 07:37.21 | Thunder_Child | found it Shirik|Ecole, "06:35.53Thunder_Childhey Shirik, labview is a visual expression of what?" |
| 07:37.33 | Shirik|Ecole | of code |
| 07:37.34 | Thunder_Child | fail spacing |
| 07:37.47 | Shirik|Ecole | it is a graphical programming language |
| 07:37.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, so it doesnt execute visually? |
| 07:37.59 | Shirik|Ecole | it does |
| 07:38.09 | Shirik|Ecole | maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying |
| 07:38.10 | Thunder_Child | hmm...led's and toggle switches dont seem to wkr for me |
| 07:38.15 | Thunder_Child | work* |
| 07:38.23 | Shirik|Ecole | oh you're playing with it? |
| 07:38.28 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:38.33 | Thunder_Child | sounded interesting |
| 07:38.35 | Shirik|Ecole | Let me see your vi |
| 07:38.43 | Thunder_Child | i didnt save it |
| 07:38.46 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 07:38.47 | Arrowmaster | rofl im stuck in a channel on another network |
| 07:38.49 | Thunder_Child | i was just messing around |
| 07:38.52 | Arrowmaster | you cant leave it |
| 07:38.54 | Shirik|Ecole | Oh I think I know |
| 07:38.57 | Shirik|Ecole | you hit run, right? |
| 07:39.02 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 07:39.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Was it in a loop? |
| 07:39.08 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 07:39.14 | Shirik|Ecole | Okay, then it probably terminated immediately |
| 07:39.18 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 07:39.20 | Shirik|Ecole | try hitting "run continuously" next time |
| 07:39.38 | Shirik|Ecole | it's right next to the run button |
| 07:40.32 | Thunder_Child | you wouldnt happen to know an esy to use program thats similar to cad would you Shirik|Ecole? |
| 07:40.34 | Thunder_Child | easy* |
| 07:40.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I love Solid |
| 07:40.52 | Shirik|Ecole | SolidWorks |
| 07:41.04 | Shirik|Ecole | very easy to pick up and use |
| 07:41.17 | Shirik|Ecole | is what Crayola uses :P |
| 07:41.21 | Thunder_Child | i'll take a look, i want to see if i can make a sidearm that uses the nato round |
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| 08:02.09 | ZorbaTHut | Elder Zorba and Red Sword of Courage in one instance. Good instance. :D |
| 08:02.52 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, now I feel REALLY dirty |
| 08:03.03 | Shirik|Ecole | void* memory; char** array = reinterpret_cast<char**>(reinterpret_cast<char*>(memory)+4);// First 4 bytes are size info |
| 08:03.29 | ZorbaTHut | but how will you store 4.7 gigabyte strings? |
| 08:03.49 | Shirik|Ecole | talk to the creators of LabVIEW, not me |
| 08:03.50 | zenzio | you should feel dirty about that Shirik, using an uninitialized pointer |
| 08:03.51 | Shirik|Ecole | it's their format |
| 08:04.04 | Shirik|Ecole | the void* is passed in from a function -_- |
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| 08:13.40 | batrick | nice one shirik |
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| 08:17.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I changed it |
| 08:17.57 | Shirik|Ecole | that void* is now a char*** |
| 08:18.05 | Shirik|Ecole | looks better ^_^ |
| 08:18.06 | batrick | so much better |
| 08:18.07 | Shirik|Ecole | evil C void*s |
| 08:18.11 | batrick | !! |
| 08:18.31 | zenzio | C void*s your warranty |
| 08:19.34 | Shirik|Ecole | But seriously, this is such beautiful code |
| 08:20.03 | Shirik|Ecole | LabVIEW doesn't know how to create an array of strings to pass to a C function, so I tricked it by shoving a bunch of addresses in a string |
| 08:20.07 | Shirik|Ecole | which is effectively teh same thing |
| 08:20.32 | batrick | tricksi shirik |
| 08:20.34 | batrick | u get a gold star |
| 08:20.59 | batrick | i haven't gotten to do anything that was much fun with labview |
| 08:21.06 | batrick | i heard it's in high demand developer wise tho |
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| 08:22.12 | batrick | http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9459/shavingsh0.jpg |
| 08:22.14 | batrick | so good |
| 08:22.50 | Shirik|Ecole | huh? |
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| 08:23.28 | ZorbaTHut | batrick, first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then they sell you novelty overpriced shaving equipment. |
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| 08:23.56 | End | haha |
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| 08:27.33 | batrick | oi shirikfase |
| 08:27.40 | batrick | i got a new idea for a project for us to make |
| 08:27.57 | batrick | Lua post-compilation optimizer |
| 08:28.51 | krka | rearranging bytecode? any particular optimization in mind? |
| 08:29.13 | batrick | just the usual stuff, code motion, code deletion, etc. |
| 08:29.24 | Thunder_Child | fun http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/songsmith/ |
| 08:31.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I've been considering something like that for a while, batrick |
| 08:32.03 | Shirik|Ecole | because that's one thing that kinda holds Lua back sometimes |
| 08:32.13 | Shirik|Ecole | sometimes it does unnecessary lookups, etc. |
| 08:32.21 | Elkano | Thunder_Child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BZfFakpzc |
| 08:32.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Unfortunately sometimes it's difficult to tell what is unnecessary ;) |
| 08:32.35 | batrick | the question is, C or Lua?! |
| 08:32.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't see a good motive for trying to do that in Lua |
| 08:32.57 | Shirik|Ecole | s/see/C/ |
| 08:33.00 | Shirik|Ecole | yuk yuk yuk |
| 08:33.10 | batrick | Lua for wider use/availability |
| 08:33.12 | Thunder_Child | Elkano, granted it's a better program when people cant share what they make so easily |
| 08:33.23 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 08:36.36 | Shirik|Ecole | ok I'm going to go home I guess |
| 08:38.38 | batrick | bye shirik |
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| 09:12.13 | Olorin` | I presume its not "Normal" for the event WORLD_MAP_UPDATE to fire every frame when in an instance is it? |
| 09:12.53 | ZorbaTHut | it probably means that some UI mod is flaking out and having trouble |
| 09:13.04 | ZorbaTHut | QH used to do that, I don't *think* it still does (I should check this though) |
| 09:13.33 | Olorin` | ok didnt think so, thanks Zorba |
| 09:20.19 | Olorin` | wierd I have an addon that has an editbox on the frame, event though i have autofocus turned off immediately after the create line, before it even gets assigned a height/width sometimes it still gets the cursor their |
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| 11:22.49 | Olorin` | can you include a .lua file within another , ie I prefer to define all my frames in Lua rather than xml but unless they are before any of my functions I cant define them as local, how can I segment that createframe stuff in lua only but keep them local? |
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| 11:23.41 | Wobin | ugh |
| 11:23.45 | mikma | white man |
| 11:23.50 | Wobin | 14hr work day |
| 11:23.58 | zenzio | Olorin`: you're talking about different scopes of "local" |
| 11:24.34 | Olorin` | well i guess so but hopefully you know what I want to achieve |
| 11:31.37 | smoke_ | anyone know of an addon that announces when you "interrupt" a player? |
| 11:31.56 | smoke_ | im using afflicted, but im plannning to replace it with another addon but the other addon doesnt have the announce feature |
| 11:32.20 | zenzio | well, MSBT can do that, but it'd probably be rather overkill if all you want is the announcement |
| 11:32.29 | zenzio | how do you want it announced? |
| 11:36.03 | smoke_ | in party |
| 11:38.36 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.00 | smoke_ | no |
| 11:40.14 | smoke_ | the way afflicted works is if you actually interrupt the target it announces it |
| 11:40.40 | mikma | then, use afflicted or use search in wowi |
| 11:41.16 | zenzio | I think there's a combat log event for interrupts; shouldn't be too hard to write a small addon to announce it |
| 11:41.31 | smoke_ | ah k |
| 11:42.30 | smoke_ | ah i found one called interfereance |
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| 12:12.03 | Tifi | Olorin`, you can always declare a local variable without initializing it |
| 12:12.56 | Tifi | you could declare local variables for the frames, and initialize them later when you actually create the frames |
| 12:13.26 | Tifi | hrm i'm 50min too late i guess |
| 12:13.37 | Olorin` | yes thats true, thanks got used to habbit of always initialising them never really thought to leave it till later |
| 12:14.06 | krka | note that locals only exist within their logical scope, and no logical scope extends beyond a file |
| 12:14.39 | Olorin` | :) did lil test 5mins ago to find that out lol thanks |
| 12:15.21 | Tifi | but to answer your original question, you can't include lua files in lua files |
| 12:15.24 | Olorin` | i wasnt sure whetherr the entries in the .toc file worked like includes, they dont really , more like seperate functions |
| 12:15.40 | Olorin` | in terms of scope |
| 12:15.44 | Tifi | the best you can do is create an LoD addon, and load that from a lua file |
| 12:19.09 | Tifi | you can actually use a return statement in file scope, like if <other version of my addon already loaded> then return end, so yes, it's similar to functions |
| 12:19.44 | Tifi | you can't call a file though ;) |
| 12:19.54 | krka | yes, each file is wrapped in a hidden function |
| 12:20.03 | krka | you have access to ... in the file scope |
| 12:20.31 | Tifi | is ... assigned to anything in wow? |
| 12:20.39 | krka | probably not |
| 12:26.14 | Olorin` | thanks agian, whew much better without createframe at start of my code, kinda sad to think I used to be good at programming, but now I cant seem to map out a program in my head like i used to :/ getting old |
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| 13:46.31 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, zenzio. *hugs* |
| 13:46.35 | zenzio | :) |
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| 17:12.24 | ZealotOnAStick | What's a good, violent, satisfying way to destroy a laptop? |
| 17:12.37 | Olison | Install windows |
| 17:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ball peen hammer. |
| 17:13.18 | Arrowmaster | car |
| 17:13.59 | ZealotOnAStick | c'mon, I said CREATIVE |
| 17:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | Car is too impersonal. |
| 17:14.11 | Arrowmaster | depends on the car |
| 17:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | Stick a bundle of firecrackers in the CD drive. |
| 17:14.24 | Lopeppeppy | Dump hydrochloric acid on it. |
| 17:14.30 | Lopeppeppy | Sell it to a steampunk modder. |
| 17:14.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Thinkpad, no optical drive. |
| 17:14.56 | durcyn | attach it to a couple of model rockets and launch it into space. |
| 17:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | Take a look at the Book of Bunny Suicides, and then do some of that. |
| 17:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | Set up a magnifying glass to train the sun's rays to burn it to a crisp. |
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| 17:16.41 | foxlit | Flood. |
| 17:18.34 | yabo | Hello, the frame defined as f in http://lua.pastebin.com/m203b44e5 wont appear, what is wrong? UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage("Lock and Load!") appears just fine. |
| 17:19.19 | foxlit | what exactly are you expecting to see? |
| 17:20.13 | yabo | a big icon with the texture of either Lock and Load, or Backlash |
| 17:22.26 | haste | yabo: you miss a comma on line 9 |
| 17:22.51 | yabo | oh great, thanks a bunch!! |
| 17:22.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, auditorium has been released |
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| 17:24.08 | yabo | still does not work |
| 17:24.18 | haste | sure it's not outside the screen? |
| 17:24.26 | haste | -300, -300 at topright sounds outside to me |
| 17:24.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole "09:23.03Â Â Â Â Â Â TC-Away: Shirik, auditorium has been released" |
| 17:24.50 | ZealotOnAStick | ok, thanks for giving me ideas I didn't use. |
| 17:24.50 | Shirik|Ecole | yay |
| 17:24.57 | ZealotOnAStick | New Pointless Poll up: http://yggdrasil.net/ |
| 17:25.08 | yabo | haste, negative values go left and down on the screen |
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| 17:29.39 | PProvost | Does anyone know how to parse/interpret the timestamp field in the GuildRoster.txt file that is generated by /saveguildroster? |
| 17:31.33 | Lopeppeppy | Can you post a sample one? |
| 17:31.49 | PProvost | It is an unsigned integer |
| 17:32.10 | PProvost | I assume it is "seconds since..." |
| 17:32.19 | PProvost | And is the Last Seen Online field in the guild roster |
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| 17:32.39 | PProvost | Just curious if anyone had dug into this before |
| 17:32.49 | durcyn | right, so paste a sample line. |
| 17:34.13 | PProvost | http://pastey.net/107602 |
| 17:34.49 | PProvost | Name Level Class Location Rank Note Timestamp (0=online) in tab separated format. |
| 17:34.54 | PProvost | (from wowwiki) |
| 17:35.10 | PProvost | And infact it is Public Note, Officer Note |
| 17:35.13 | PProvost | But whatever |
| 17:35.29 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: wtf no it hasnt, still have to wait a day |
| 17:35.46 | PProvost | Timestamp is the large negative number at the end |
| 17:35.54 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, oh...maybe i got it early because i donated |
| 17:36.03 | Arrowmaster | i didnt even know you could donate |
| 17:36.08 | durcyn | oh, huh, i had no idea saveguildroster was in the base ui |
| 17:36.11 | haste | Thunder_Child: works here also |
| 17:36.23 | Arrowmaster | now rip it and send it to me |
| 17:36.25 | MentalPower | PProvost: without the (-) it looks like seconds since epoch (jan1,1969) |
| 17:36.30 | Thunder_Child | heh it's online |
| 17:36.37 | MentalPower | well, the first one does |
| 17:36.41 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 17:37.15 | PProvost | MentalPower: Some of the lines in the file (people who haven't been on in a long time) are actually large positive numbers |
| 17:37.24 | MentalPower | PProvost: first line works out to about 68yrs |
| 17:37.31 | PProvost | LOL |
| 17:37.34 | PProvost | Too much |
| 17:37.53 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i didnt, i thought it was going to be downloadable |
| 17:38.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c222109.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 17:39.34 | MentalPower | PProvost: second line works out to 34yrs, I don't think its seconds... |
| 17:40.44 | PProvost | Nope |
| 17:41.07 | PProvost | I need to do a screenshot and log at the same time and compare |
| 17:41.13 | Hirsute | Hrmm. I'm getting Virus-sent email at an email account I haven't published anywhere. One of the emails appears to have come from a Blizzard-owned IP address... |
| 17:41.16 | Hirsute | Weird. |
| 17:41.18 | PProvost | Was just hoping someoen had done it already |
| 17:41.28 | Lopeppeppy | "appears" is a good keyword. |
| 17:41.35 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: *nod* |
| 17:41.45 | Hirsute | Just a weird coincidence. |
| 17:42.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Pizik (n=Blank@planeshift/gamemaster/Pizik) |
| 17:42.10 | durcyn | SaveGuildRoster() isn't documented anywhere, buggerfuck |
| 17:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | Spoofing is a time honored way to try to get you to open something you shouldn't. |
| 17:42.33 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 17:42.35 | Hirsute | I'm aware |
| 17:45.38 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: Yes it is: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api |
| 17:46.23 | durcyn | jnwhiteh: specifically the format of the timestamp, as PProvost was asking :/ |
| 17:46.27 | Hirsute | wowprogramming with the save |
| 17:46.41 | PProvost | Same content on wowprogramming |
| 17:46.44 | PProvost | Very terse |
| 17:46.46 | PProvost | :) |
| 17:46.49 | jnwhiteh | its still there |
| 17:46.57 | jnwhiteh | that's different than "not being documented" |
| 17:47.22 | durcyn | okay. "SaveGuildRoster()'s timestamp format isn't documented, waaah." |
| 17:47.23 | PProvost | I didn't say it was uncocumented :) |
| 17:47.38 | PProvost | I'm just trying to figure out that last damn parameter |
| 17:47.40 | PProvost | :D |
| 17:47.43 | jnwhiteh | You didn't durcyn did =) |
| 17:47.48 | PProvost | hehe |
| 17:47.49 | Kalroth | uhm, it's a timestamp - what kind of documentation do you need? :P |
| 17:47.49 | jnwhiteh | Just prefer to clarify |
| 17:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | Kalroth, the time-base of the timestamp is in question. |
| 17:48.09 | jnwhiteh | I also expect you to edit the page when you figure it out now =) |
| 17:48.14 | PProvost | Timebase and units |
| 17:48.27 | PProvost | Since the number seems able to vary from very large to very small |
| 17:48.34 | PProvost | Indicating it is probably a UINT |
| 17:48.42 | Kalroth | it's signed |
| 17:48.49 | MentalPower | PProvost: can we have some large positive number examples added? |
| 17:48.50 | PProvost | I know it is signed in the file |
| 17:48.55 | PProvost | MentalPower: sure |
| 17:49.24 | PProvost | http://pastey.net/107605 |
| 17:50.01 | PProvost | My point is Kalroth that a UNIT saved to text as an int might come out with big negative values because of the most significant bit |
| 17:52.40 | Kalroth | I'm guessing it's rather foobar |
| 17:52.50 | Tifi | why does Quaestor have -1073741824, and the last two 1073741824? |
| 17:52.54 | Kalroth | comparing last online values and it doesn't match anything |
| 17:53.23 | PProvost | Tifi: see UINT comments above |
| 17:53.24 | Kalroth | I got -2147483648 for waaay too many people and their last online status varies from >1 month to 10 days |
| 17:53.45 | Kalroth | I also get -1073741824 for a player last online 7 hours ago |
| 17:53.56 | Tifi | PProvost, that doesn't explain why three ppl have the very same number |
| 17:53.57 | *** join/#wowuidev topsub (n=josh@97.66.185.250) |
| 17:54.25 | PProvost | I'm noticing this in the large file |
| 17:54.29 | PProvost | -2147483648 is the smallest |
| 17:54.34 | PProvost | And seem to be on a bunch of people |
| 17:54.42 | Kalroth | Yes, which is the same as 0 when cast to UINT |
| 17:54.55 | PProvost | Next is -1610612736 |
| 17:55.04 | Kalroth | -1610612736 yes |
| 17:55.05 | PProvost | Which is also common and on a bunch of people |
| 17:55.08 | Tifi | 1 073 741 824 * 2 = 2 147 483 648 |
| 17:55.12 | Kalroth | then -1073741824 |
| 17:55.13 | MentalPower | I'm thinking that's a bug in blizz's code |
| 17:55.14 | PProvost | Then -1073741824 |
| 17:55.16 | PProvost | Yes |
| 17:55.17 | Kalroth | then -536870912 |
| 17:55.22 | PProvost | Yes |
| 17:55.26 | Kalroth | then 0 |
| 17:55.27 | PProvost | Then 0 |
| 17:55.29 | PProvost | Yes |
| 17:55.41 | Kalroth | It's a bit field? |
| 17:55.48 | PProvost | Then 536870912 |
| 17:55.56 | PProvost | 1073741824 |
| 17:56.03 | jnwhiteh | bitfield for months/days/years |
| 17:56.06 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 17:56.08 | PProvost | 1610612736 |
| 17:56.10 | jnwhiteh | minutes/seconds |
| 17:56.11 | Kalroth | nope |
| 17:56.13 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 17:56.17 | PProvost | And those are the only values there |
| 17:56.19 | Kalroth | there's only a total of 7-8 different values |
| 17:56.26 | jnwhiteh | weird |
| 17:56.32 | PProvost | Yep |
| 17:56.34 | PProvost | Odd |
| 17:56.47 | jnwhiteh | I'll check back I wanna play if you dont have it when I get back |
| 17:56.47 | PProvost | Seems to not be related to LastOnline in the in-game roster |
| 17:56.48 | Tifi | they're probably timestamps for exactly 7 days, exactly 14 days etc |
| 17:56.49 | jnwhiteh | good luck! |
| 17:56.58 | PProvost | Thanks Clad |
| 17:56.59 | PProvost | :) |
| 17:57.10 | PProvost | Could be Tifi |
| 17:57.19 | Kalroth | -2147483648 -> -1610612736 -> -1073741824 -> -536870912 -> 0 -> 536870912 -> 1073741824 -> 1610612736 -> 2147483648 |
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| 17:57.33 | Kalroth | Tifi: I doubt it has anything to do with last online status |
| 17:57.46 | Kalroth | since the ingame UI lists minutes, hours, days, months |
| 17:58.12 | PProvost | As does http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetGuildRosterLastOnline |
| 17:58.53 | Kalroth | 0 = online for sure though |
| 17:59.02 | Kalroth | er, no |
| 17:59.12 | Kalroth | scratch that, I got tons of people offline with 0 too |
| 17:59.17 | PProvost | Yeah |
| 17:59.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@129.7.95.111) |
| 17:59.27 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 17:59.32 | *** join/#wowuidev pb_ee1 (n=nospam@meilleu015869-2.clients.easynet.fr) |
| 17:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | PCREs: how do I match between 1 and 3 consecutive numbers? |
| 18:00.02 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 18:00.03 | haste | \d{1,3} :D ? |
| 18:00.05 | Dewin | \d{1,3} isn't it/ |
| 18:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, \d |
| 18:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't remember if that's standard |
| 18:00.38 | haste | [0-9]{1,3} ? |
| 18:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds better |
| 18:00.53 | Kalroth | what's that online site with extracted wow lua code? |
| 18:00.55 | NightHawkTheSane | \d should be good for PCRE, not sure if it's POSIX.. |
| 18:01.07 | MentalPower | wowcompares |
| 18:01.12 | MentalPower | ~wowcompares |
| 18:01.13 | purl | wowcompares is probably http://wowcompares.com |
| 18:01.13 | haste | [:digit:] or so there |
| 18:01.16 | Kalroth | thanks |
| 18:01.22 | haste | I usually just abuse lua where I can |
| 18:01.26 | durcyn | Kalroth: wowcompares, but SaveGuildRoster() isn't a lua function if that's what you're looking for |
| 18:01.27 | Dewin | it's not POSIX, POSIX is something like [[:digit:]] |
| 18:01.48 | haste | that's more correct |
| 18:01.48 | Dewin | and haste only beat me because there was a spec of dirt on my monitor that consistently made that first colon look like a semicolon and I was really confused. |
| 18:01.49 | Dewin | :-p |
| 18:01.57 | haste | I'm watching TV! |
| 18:01.57 | NightHawkTheSane | excuses |
| 18:01.58 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 18:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 18:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | nope, that isn't working, boo |
| 18:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | fwiw: trying to remove the subnet from an IP |
| 18:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, 1.1.1.1/32 <-- the /32 needs to go away |
| 18:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | (with sed) |
| 18:03.00 | Dewin | sed's not pcre I thought. |
| 18:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:03.30 | Dewin | and wouldn't ([^/])* work? (addl escaping possibly needed) |
| 18:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the full extent to which mine isn't, so |
| 18:03.57 | Dewin | PCRE != POSIX BRE |
| 18:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry, think-o |
| 18:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | and no, Dewin, that didn't work |
| 18:04.50 | selckin | echo 1.1.1.1/32 | sed 's,/.*,,' |
| 18:04.51 | selckin | 1.1.1.1 |
| 18:04.56 | selckin | why make it hard =\ |
| 18:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:05.03 | Lunessa | Today is Mr. Smite - "You landlubbers are tougher than I thought. I'll have to improvise." |
| 18:05.27 | Lopeppeppy | I love him! |
| 18:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | selckin: win |
| 18:05.54 | Lunessa | He's my favorite bad guy. |
| 18:06.18 | Lopeppeppy | Van Cleef pay big for you heads! |
| 18:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | selckin: thanks |
| 18:06.44 | Hirsute | I wish, rather than looting him, you looted that chest, and if you killed him in successively earlier phases you got more loot. |
| 18:07.09 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 18:07.22 | Dewin | It's timed based off HP% I believe, it's not possible to kill him in earlier phases unless you you're so overlovelled for the instance |
| 18:07.37 | Hirsute | Dewin: Aaaah |
| 18:07.46 | Dewin | maybe 5 shamans dropping searing totem, since the searing totems still attack while everyone's stunned. |
| 18:07.52 | MentalPower | aye, its timed |
| 18:08.03 | MentalPower | or with a shitton of DOTs |
| 18:08.04 | Hirsute | MentalPower: Timed, or based on %hp? |
| 18:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It's HP% based |
| 18:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | I have very occasionally broken him, when two 70's went there to roll through a lowbie. |
| 18:08.26 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: Oh? What happens when he breaks? |
| 18:08.31 | MentalPower | based on HP, I was agreeing with Dewin |
| 18:08.34 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 18:08.36 | Dewin | Hence my comment about being "overlovelled" (I'm apparently not awake enough to spell correctly.) |
| 18:08.56 | Hirsute | I thought you were making a sexual reference... |
| 18:08.58 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 18:09.01 | Hirsute | <.< |
| 18:09.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | He dies early, you loot him. |
| 18:09.24 | Hirsute | We did Hyjal the other night with a a full-raid of mostly 80s |
| 18:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | Like when you OP the Scarlet Monastery, you can break the Mograine event (but in that case, you lose loot) |
| 18:10.11 | durcyn | i thought the SM event was fixed a while ago |
| 18:10.19 | Lunessa | I 2-shotted him last week @ 80 - while working on my Loremaster achievement. |
| 18:10.24 | Lopeppeppy | *gentle shrug* |
| 18:10.44 | Hirsute | Got Archimonde down so quickly that he sat, taking massive damage, at 1 hp for *ever* |
| 18:10.47 | Lunessa | Morgaine event is not-breakable. She'll stun everyone at 1health. |
| 18:11.08 | Lopeppeppy | Then they did fix that. 'cause I've broken it, where he doesn't come back. |
| 18:11.20 | Hirsute | I've done the same in the past. |
| 18:11.31 | Hirsute | But I haven't been there recently. |
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| 18:13.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 18:14.12 | Shirik|Ecole | There is a lot more information than I thought I had |
| 18:14.18 | Shirik|Ecole | the problem is more complicated than I thought it was :P |
| 18:14.25 | Shirik|Ecole | Which is good because I didn't think I had much to write about |
| 18:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | Well... now you do. :) |
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| 18:15.47 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Does StartAuction() require a hardware event? |
| 18:16.00 | Shirik|Ecole | It can't |
| 18:16.03 | Dewin | Considering Auctioneer, I'd guess no :) |
| 18:16.06 | Shirik|Ecole | how would Auctioneer's batch posting work |
| 18:16.23 | Hirsute | Dewin: Shirik|Ecole That's what made me wonder about it, actually |
| 18:16.37 | End | is StartAuction() the one to put an auction up? |
| 18:16.44 | Hirsute | I came to the same conclusion, but am still too new to lua and the wow_api to be confident. |
| 18:16.47 | Hirsute | End: Yes |
| 18:16.53 | Dewin | you don't need a hardware event to scan or search either |
| 18:17.03 | End | well |
| 18:17.04 | Hirsute | Just to bid, correct? |
| 18:17.17 | Dewin | Don't think so there either |
| 18:17.23 | End | you can get the whole auction list every 15 minutes anyhow |
| 18:17.33 | Hirsute | No, I'm quite certain you need a HW event to place abid. |
| 18:17.33 | Shirik|Ecole | sorta |
| 18:17.34 | Dewin | there's auctioneer addons that scan the AH and buy anything that's up for below vendor price IIRC |
| 18:17.39 | Shirik|Ecole | that's not entirely true End :P |
| 18:17.49 | End | how is it not true? |
| 18:17.51 | Hirsute | Dewin: Can't do that any more, was changed quite a while ago. |
| 18:17.53 | Shirik|Ecole | it's theoretically true |
| 18:18.06 | Dewin | hmm |
| 18:18.06 | Shirik|Ecole | fact of the matter is the bandwidth requirements of it are enough to kick many people offline |
| 18:18.07 | Hirsute | They can scan, and prompt the user for those items, but the actually placing of the bid requires a H/W event |
| 18:18.16 | End | ah |
| 18:18.22 | End | well, I use it for one of my personal addons |
| 18:18.25 | Dewin | Ah. I never got to test it, since I only once ever got BottomScanner to work |
| 18:18.27 | End | it does hang WoW for a few seconds |
| 18:18.31 | Shirik|Ecole | auctioneer uses it too :) |
| 18:18.31 | End | as in people running in place |
| 18:18.38 | Dewin | - /auc getall |
| 18:18.41 | Dewin | undocumented, but works nice |
| 18:18.45 | Hirsute | Or, as norgs suspects, it's a matter of the client's queue filling up and makes the server think the client stopped responding. |
| 18:18.51 | Shirik|Ecole | it's undocumented for a reason :P |
| 18:19.03 | Hirsute | Dewin: It's in the interface now, actually, as a FastForward button. |
| 18:19.10 | Dewin | and yes, it does freeze WoW briefly (so much data transferring) and then even more (the processing will cause my framerate to drop to measures of seconds per frame instead of frames per second) |
| 18:19.27 | foxlit | Clearly things are undocumented because developers are lazy! :) |
| 18:19.29 | End | my addon processes the data very quickly :P |
| 18:19.39 | End | although |
| 18:19.41 | Dewin | foxlit: it was undocumented because it was experimental at the time I discovered it. |
| 18:19.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Dewin, it shouldn't "freeze" |
| 18:19.46 | End | processing it is an overstatement |
| 18:19.54 | foxlit | lazy, I say. LAZY! |
| 18:19.55 | Hirsute | The processing can be addressed by lowering it's priority in the configuration, or by disabling statistics. |
| 18:20.00 | Shirik|Ecole | ^ |
| 18:20.04 | End | I do my real processing offline :P |
| 18:20.13 | Dewin | Hirsute: I want the processing |
| 18:20.16 | Shirik|Ecole | But I've optimized the processing portion as much as I can |
| 18:20.18 | Dewin | I usually hit /auc getall and get a cup of coffee. |
| 18:20.19 | Hirsute | Cool cool. |
| 18:20.26 | Shirik|Ecole | It takes less than 1ms right now to determine an item's price |
| 18:20.34 | Hirsute | (And it's *loads* better than it used to be) |
| 18:20.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Within a few days I have intention of looking at other places we can improve speed |
| 18:20.59 | Hirsute | Shirik|Ecole: You going to be looking at the stack-splitting code? |
| 18:21.11 | Shirik|Ecole | (And considering "determine an item's price" consists of solving somewhere around 5 integrals, I think that's pretty good) |
| 18:22.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Hirsute: I'm not sure what to look at really |
| 18:22.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm mostly interested in the packing and unpacking of data |
| 18:22.59 | Shirik|Ecole | which has been a problem in the past |
| 18:22.59 | Hirsute | Shirik|Ecole: Ah, cool. |
| 18:22.59 | Shirik|Ecole | and I know for a fact that's a significant portion of the processing phase |
| 18:22.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I really wish I could use something like CodeAnalyst on the code |
| 18:23.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I really need to finish Lua^2 so that we can write programs like that |
| 18:23.21 | Hirsute | Yeah, the stack splitting code in AA seems to be laggy compared to earlier versions of Auc, and to other addons. I'm not sure why, though. |
| 18:23.46 | Hirsute | But I'd much rather have someone looking at the code that runs during processing. |
| 18:24.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Nizomi (n=kvirc@pD9E43B43.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:24.10 | Nizomi | hi |
| 18:24.21 | Hirsute | Hi |
| 18:24.22 | Nizomi | is there a list of umlaut-characters and their \ code? |
| 18:24.46 | kd3 | start->run->charmap |
| 18:24.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe22fa00-138.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:25.08 | Shirik|Ecole | ! |
| 18:25.12 | Shirik|Ecole | kd3 used a windows program! |
| 18:25.25 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, be nice! |
| 18:25.28 | kd3 | it's actually called the same thing on my box too... >.> |
| 18:26.19 | Shirik|Ecole | o |
| 18:26.19 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a live maintenance, i.e. rolling restarts of all realms between 05:00 and 07:00 CET. Each realm will receive a 15 minute notice prior to being restarted. |
| 18:26.19 | Shiibot | Additionally we will perform a web maintenance from 05:00 Paris time (CET) until aproximately 09:00 Paris time (CET). During this period the Armory, Account Management, Blizzard Store, Forums and the rest of our website will be unavailable. |
| 18:26.19 | Shiibot | Thank you for your patience and understanding. |
| 18:27.17 | Lopeppeppy | Shiibot is so polite! |
| 18:28.08 | Nizomi | so it says |
| 18:28.17 | Nizomi | 246 for ö |
| 18:28.29 | Nizomi | why did that guy use \195\182ffnen for "öffnen" then |
| 18:28.44 | End | utf-8? |
| 18:29.24 | Shirik|Ecole | ^ |
| 18:29.35 | Nizomi | uhm |
| 18:30.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 18:30.10 | End | 246 would be the latin-1 encoding (aka iso8859-1) |
| 18:30.16 | End | I think |
| 18:30.23 | Nizomi | no idea how i can set thsi to utf-8 |
| 18:30.24 | Nizomi | xD |
| 18:30.35 | Shirik|Ecole | what OS are you on? |
| 18:30.43 | Nizomi | winxp |
| 18:30.44 | End | ok yeah, umlaut o is 246 in latin-1 |
| 18:30.47 | Shirik|Ecole | then you're screwed |
| 18:30.55 | haste | lua> string.char(195, 246) |
| 18:30.56 | Shirik|Ecole | find a better program :P |
| 18:30.57 | lua_bot | haste: Ãö |
| 18:31.14 | Shirik|Ecole | In Vista/7 you can switch to unicode |
| 18:31.21 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> string.char(195, 182) |
| 18:31.21 | End | lua> string.char(195, 182) |
| 18:31.22 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: ö |
| 18:31.23 | lua_bot | End: ö |
| 18:31.25 | Shirik|Ecole | bad haste |
| 18:31.25 | End | haha |
| 18:31.48 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 18:31.49 | haste | Shirik|Ecole: I was curious! |
| 18:31.54 | Nizomi | it's actually set to unicode xD |
| 18:32.16 | haste | and I couldn't be arsed to do ^Aalua=string.char() :p |
| 18:33.06 | End | Nizomi: yes, but if you look at the bottom left bit |
| 18:33.14 | End | it tells you the unicode number and name |
| 18:33.28 | End | which is U+00F6: Latin Small Latter O with Diaeresis |
| 18:33.40 | End | unfortunately...it doesn't show how to encode that in utf-8 |
| 18:33.47 | Nizomi | lua> string.char(228) |
| 18:33.48 | lua_bot | Nizomi: ä |
| 18:34.00 | Nizomi | hm |
| 18:34.08 | Nizomi | so \228 will give an a? :/ |
| 18:34.55 | Nizomi | why do i have to do this anyway? xD |
| 18:34.57 | yabo | so i have this statusbar, how can i round the edges? I don't like it being completely rectangular. |
| 18:35.12 | End | \228 is technically an error :P |
| 18:35.24 | End | something is being lenient ;-) |
| 18:35.49 | Nizomi | http://www1.tip.nl/~t876506/utf8tbl.html hm seems like a list |
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| 18:36.58 | Taroven | yabo: You could try using or making a rounded texture. |
| 18:37.57 | Shirik|Ecole | bibi |
| 18:38.04 | End | Shirik|Ecole: no u |
| 18:38.11 | yabo | Taroven, i tried that, but wow seems to show blanks as solid white. |
| 18:38.18 | yabo | what do i do? |
| 18:38.28 | Taroven | Need an alpha channel in the texture |
| 18:40.49 | Taroven | (hopefully that's enough to point you in the right direction, heh) |
| 18:41.19 | yabo | oh wow, ok.. ill start googling :-R thanks |
| 18:43.59 | Taroven | yabo: You could also download SharedMedia and hunt through the statusbar textures. There's a few rounded textures in there, should give you an idea |
| 18:43.59 | End | Nizomi: oh, and yeah, the stupid answer to "why do I have to do this" is because "that's what WoW expects" |
| 18:44.22 | Nizomi | End: well i had no probs with just putting that chars into savedvariables files |
| 18:44.33 | Nizomi | (encoded in utf-8) |
| 18:44.44 | End | oh, you mean, not-escaped? |
| 18:44.50 | End | yeah, lua doesn't care |
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| 18:45.49 | yabo | by the way |
| 18:45.49 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 2, 2009, 6:00PM PST |
| 18:45.49 | Shiibot | Free character moves to Scilla and Winterhoof have concluded. Players on select realms will be able to move characters to Wyrmrest Accord (RP) and Malorne (PvP) until Tuesday, February 3, 5:00 p.m. PST. To find out if your realm is available for these moves and begin the transfer process, please visit https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/ and click on the "Free Character Move" link. |
| 18:46.10 | yabo | some times when i try new textures, they just fill the frame in bright green |
| 18:46.12 | yabo | what is that? |
| 18:46.42 | kd3 | you're passing a file in the lua/xml that wow can't find |
| 18:46.55 | Taroven | ^^ that |
| 18:47.09 | Taroven | Usually it'll just be blank though |
| 18:49.32 | yabo | no, im sure the name is correct and it still shows up as green |
| 18:49.39 | yabo | is that all that can cause it |
| 18:49.43 | kd3 | did you add it after starting wow? |
| 18:49.53 | yabo | perhaps that is it |
| 18:49.55 | yabo | alright thans |
| 18:49.56 | yabo | thanks |
| 18:50.33 | Taroven | WoW only reads files that were in place when it was started. =P |
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| 18:55.30 | yabo | ack |
| 18:55.53 | Taroven | Ack? |
| 18:56.00 | yabo | im trying to do what this guide says to add an alpha-channel, http://www.axialis.com/tutorials/tutorial-misc001.html |
| 18:56.02 | Lopeppeppy | ack |
| 18:56.09 | durcyn | syn |
| 18:56.19 | Taroven | (And o.0... 14g from level 58-61 grays, need to vendor more often XD) |
| 18:56.36 | yabo | but whatever i try, the game still displays the transparent as white |
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| 18:58.34 | Arrowmaster | yabo: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15439 |
| 18:58.44 | kd3 | blah at having to do daily quests in stormpeaks, hf, db and bt... >.< |
| 18:58.56 | yabo | thank you very much, Arrowmaster |
| 18:58.59 | Dewin | I love rsync --help: -a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X) |
| 18:59.59 | Vangual | no hax involved indeed |
| 19:00.40 | Dewin | incidentally, I need -A -X |
| 19:02.11 | durcyn | so use -aAX, what's the problem? |
| 19:02.29 | Dewin | I did :) |
| 19:02.40 | Dewin | well I actually did -aXA for... readability? |
| 19:03.49 | yabo | isnt it possible to login to forums.wowace.com? |
| 19:04.03 | yabo | im trying to login so i can see the attached images, but with no luck |
| 19:04.18 | yabo | i have created a user and all, but when i click login, it just refreshes the page |
| 19:05.59 | Taroven | Not having that problem myself, but on the other hand I've never been able to create a wowace forum account since they changed forum software |
| 19:06.19 | Arrowmaster | thats because you cant create forum accounts |
| 19:06.24 | Arrowmaster | you only create curse accounts |
| 19:06.44 | Taroven | that'd explain it. =P |
| 19:07.43 | Taroven | I remember reading that actually... then couldn't get a curse accout -- WTF DIVIDE BY ZERO ERROR IN WOW -- because all three email addresses I tried were "taken". -.- |
| 19:08.15 | Arrowmaster | that would be because you already had a curse account, maybe from your wowace one being imported |
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| 19:18.06 | Taroven | Oh, wow... just tried logging in for the first time since the switchover |
| 19:18.10 | Taroven | works fine now. =P |
| 19:19.40 | Lunessa | Lapdogs, all of you! Fools! Our Cause is righteous! |
| 19:20.15 | Lopeppeppy | You will not defeat me! |
| 19:20.50 | Taroven | lol@VC? |
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| 19:22.23 | Lopeppeppy | For certain. |
| 19:22.27 | kd3 | "Lapdogs, for all of you!" |
| 19:22.33 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | No. Cookie hands over the siamese he was gonna cook. |
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| 20:06.29 | |Jelly| | ~hug Kamdis |
| 20:06.30 | purl | ACTION hugs Kamdis |
| 20:06.50 | kamdis | ~hug |Jelly| |
| 20:06.51 | purl | ACTION jumps into |Jelly|'s lap and huggles and *hugs* |Jelly| |
| 20:07.02 | Lunessa | omg, get a room. |
| 20:07.56 | |Jelly| | :) |
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| 20:10.44 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.19 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.26 | Cairenn | ltns kamdis, how goes? |
| 20:12.58 | zenzelezz | why only for a tickle-fight Jelly; can't handle any more? |
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| 20:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | Not with all of us girls. *wink* |
| 20:13.46 | Cairenn | discretion is the better part of valor ;) |
| 20:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | And Jelly is wicked valourous! |
| 20:14.04 | kamdis | Itns? |
| 20:14.12 | Cairenn | long time no see |
| 20:14.15 | kamdis | Things are good. How have you been? |
| 20:14.18 | kamdis | OH |
| 20:14.19 | kamdis | hehe |
| 20:14.20 | NightHawkTheSane | L, not I LO |
| 20:14.23 | NightHawkTheSane | er, :P |
| 20:14.24 | Cairenn | doing well |
| 20:14.24 | kamdis | <- noob |
| 20:14.33 | kamdis | good :) |
| 20:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 20:14.41 | Syzgyn | :D |
| 20:14.44 | alestane | Now that the bus strike has cleared up? |
| 20:15.06 | Cairenn | oh just don't even talk to me about that |
| 20:15.31 | Cairenn | it's over? really? wow, they kinda forgot to tell us .... or put any buses back on the road ... |
| 20:15.47 | alestane | My mistake then, I thought you might have said so. |
| 20:16.24 | Cairenn | no, it's over "officially" .... but there aren't any buses running yet, and they aren't going to have full service back out here until MAY |
| 20:16.59 | alestane | Wow, that's almost pure evil. |
| 20:17.40 | Lopeppeppy | WHAT! |
| 20:17.43 | kd3 | may!? |
| 20:17.44 | NightHawkTheSane | that sucks. :\ |
| 20:17.45 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 20:17.50 | NightHawkTheSane | a bus strike here would absolutely kill me.. |
| 20:17.59 | Cairenn | and even when they get partial service back, the route times are going to be less than useless for her to get to Uni, and I'm still going to have to drive her part way to even get her to the bus, and they'll be so packed that she won't be able to get on anyway |
| 20:18.18 | Cairenn | so .... it's over? really? wow, they kinda forgot to tell us .... or put any buses back on the road ... |
| 20:19.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:20.45 | Cairenn | actually, I should see what the latest revised timetable for resumption of service looks like |
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| 20:20.58 | foxlit | qq @ http://go-hero.net/content/store/5.png << one of the better-looking versions over the two weeks spent on playing with things :/ |
| 20:21.20 | Cairenn | but to say that the populace has less than zero faith in them any more is to put it mildly |
| 20:21.34 | kd3 | fma, heh |
| 20:21.37 | alestane | "Did you know, for instance, that the Drakkari were exiled from the rest of the troll nations for their extremely violent ways?" |
| 20:23.48 | foxlit | kd3: recognizable, eh? :) |
| 20:24.14 | NightHawkTheSane | http://niemann.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/02/i-lego-ny/ |
| 20:25.57 | kd3 | jesus... ars: "and China doubled its installed capacity in just a yearâfor the fourth year running." |
| 20:26.06 | kd3 | re: wind power ^ |
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| 20:30.00 | NeoTron | so Blizzard adds a cooldown co CoH and WG and all of a sudden the spells no longer work (can't find targets) during Malygos' vortex |
| 20:30.03 | NeoTron | weird |
| 20:31.01 | Lopeppeppy | Unhappy. |
| 20:31.02 | nevcairiel | They already said its a bug and will be hotfixed soon |
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| 20:31.11 | nevcairiel | I think i read the post just today |
| 20:31.30 | nevcairiel | Not like people died for us because of that |
| 20:31.52 | MoonWolf | NeoTron, ive gotten WG's during vortex. |
| 20:32.41 | nevcairiel | it doesnt always break |
| 20:32.44 | nevcairiel | but most of the time |
| 20:32.58 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I am aware. I'm just pondering how they managed to break it |
| 20:33.16 | NeoTron | Blizzard works in mysterious ways :) |
| 20:33.29 | nevcairiel | They just don't tell you every code change they make |
| 20:33.40 | nevcairiel | I guess they changed the vortex around or so |
| 20:34.43 | NeoTron | ok let me rephrase. I don't understand how they could change vortex and QA wouldn't catch these two spells not working there |
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| 20:36.05 | amro | NeoTron: blizzard QA doesn't catch anything |
| 20:36.39 | amro | that, or they didn't think it was important enough to warrant slowing down the patch |
| 20:37.36 | NeoTron | it was only after all one of the prime fights that caused the nerf in the first place :P |
| 20:37.55 | nevcairiel | they probably play-tested it with the cooldown |
| 20:38.02 | nevcairiel | and the bug was introduced afterwards |
| 20:38.03 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 20:39.11 | NeoTron | I don't know, I think my head would explode if I tried to figure out how they manage to push so many clearly obvious bugs out (not necessarily this one but in general) |
| 20:39.36 | NeoTron | like the warlock pet health issue - it would have taken 2 minutes to verify that the health values were as expected |
| 20:40.09 | nevcairiel | As GC said, some of the errors don't appear on the PTR or their test realms, probably due to "old" accumulated data on the live realms |
| 20:40.13 | NeoTron | Lunessa: for one I'd log in and make sure all abilities work :P |
| 20:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | "Oh, we'll just ask the users what they think!!" *innocent giggle* |
| 20:40.40 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I really doubt it's all a data issue - it's clearly a code/branch management issue |
| 20:40.53 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Ever managed QA process for complex systems, or are you just arm-chari generaling? |
| 20:41.24 | NeoTron | I'm a SDE currently working primarily on my own QA for relatively complex systems. don't have the luxury of a QA department atm |
| 20:41.49 | Lunessa | So, arm-chair general, but with some education. |
| 20:41.51 | NeoTron | I'm not pretending to be an expert but anyone can see that they have some... issues |
| 20:42.14 | NeoTron | when about half of the new changes/features in the patch simply doesn't work, you have to wonder |
| 20:43.08 | Lunessa | As it turns out, I have a decade+ experience with regression and complex systems QA - Considering the pressure they're under, and the level of scrutiny that 12 million users generates, they do a surprisingly decent job. |
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| 20:44.03 | NeoTron | decent perhaps but not surprisingly so. We'll agree to disagree on this I think. I don't know though if it's a lack of QA issue or lack of build/branch management |
| 20:44.40 | NeoTron | they clearly make PTR builds in one branch and then somehow merge it and it appears they do insufficient testing on the new "release branch" post-merge (and make last minute changes like the breaking of the lock summon stone due to some exploit |
| 20:44.49 | Lunessa | It's probably more of a lack of teamwork between designers, programmers, and QA. it usually is. |
| 20:45.09 | NeoTron | more likely than even that it's lack of sufficient time to get it done properly |
| 20:45.37 | NeoTron | but they don't work fast - 2 months for 3.0.8 or so was it? |
| 20:45.50 | nevcairiel | there was a holiday in between |
| 20:46.03 | nevcairiel | and they fixed a gazillion of bugs |
| 20:46.06 | Lunessa | Everyone is doing his or her part, in relative isolation until the last second to meet a dead line. And that's pretty fast for a release schedule on a complex system. |
| 20:46.15 | NeoTron | I also believe WoW to have some really bad, crusty and hard to maintain code. it's inevitable in such old / large code base and it is especially true in game code from my experience |
| 20:46.21 | foxlit | complex system, complex system. |
| 20:46.28 | foxlit | Why isn't it sentient yet? |
| 20:46.38 | nevcairiel | maybe it is |
| 20:46.46 | NeoTron | sure would explain a few things |
| 20:46.55 | Lunessa | Because they correctly decrement the ChanceToBirthSkynet variable in each build. |
| 20:47.12 | durcyn | if wowlua had network access, we'd be enslaved by machines by now. |
| 20:47.26 | NeoTron | speaking of skynet - looking forward to the new terminator movie when we finally get a dark future version of it |
| 20:48.03 | Lunessa | It's too late, 12 million users, it infects TV, Movies, and the culture already. We are already slaves to the WoW machine. Q.E.D. |
| 20:49.27 | Lunessa | We moved up to monthly installment plans Peppy. |
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| 21:03.14 | amro | Lunessa: it's not just bugs that don't get noticed, it's design issues as well |
| 21:04.03 | amro | for example, warlocks not getting soulstones from honorable kills when the honor system was first implemented |
| 21:04.19 | amro | or hunter pets initially forgotten in battlegrounds |
| 21:04.26 | amro | the list of things they "forgot" goes on |
| 21:04.30 | Lunessa | amro: "It's probably more of a lack of teamwork between designers, programmers, and QA. it usually is." & "Everyone is doing his or her part, in relative isolation until the last second to meet a dead line." I didn't say they were perfect. I said considering the challenge, they do pretty well. |
| 21:05.25 | amro | Lunessa: they're clearly doing well considering they don't let game-breaking bugs through, it's not the quantity but rather the kind of issues that slip that make you wonder |
| 21:06.10 | Lunessa | yes, but that's not the sort of thing you want to slap the testing team about. That's the sort of thing you slap the design team about. |
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| 21:09.49 | amro | Lunessa: yeah it's the lack of communication as you said. or rather, lack of the designers actually playing the game (for the issues I mentioned, as they are immediately noticeable) |
| 21:11.01 | Lopeppeppy | ... unfair and biased statement. |
| 21:11.33 | Lunessa | Most of the issues you mentioned were probably related to design decisions that got changed or revisited. Especially the souls shards in PvP issue. |
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| 21:26.08 | Lopeppeppy | Be good.... |
| 21:26.29 | alestane | Never mind the horns, they're only there to hold up the halo. |
| 21:30.26 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "you're only derailing this discussion because trees rock" - Mikk |
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| 21:38.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And now to acquire a massive hard drive |
| 21:39.08 | Shirik|Ecole | 500TB SSD? |
| 21:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ this newegg comment on the WD 2TB drive |
| 21:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Other Thoughts: That being said, I plan on running 16 of these in my own home server environment in a raid 6 array. Will update this review with more information after all drives have arrived and I have had ample time to test them. |
| 21:39.59 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 21:40.07 | Shirik|Ecole | ...wtf? |
| 21:40.10 | Tifi | wtf |
| 21:40.22 | Taroven | That, friends, is a case of TOO MUCH MONEY |
| 21:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 13*2000 |
| 21:40.32 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 26000 |
| 21:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 26000GB |
| 21:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Not too shabby |
| 21:40.50 | Tifi | that's a lot of porn |
| 21:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (Give or take a few for the raid6 parity, not sure how many he'd be using) |
| 21:41.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, here's another good comment on them |
| 21:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Pros: I can fit the entire Internet on this drive. |
| 21:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Cons: Cannot fit my mp3's on this drive. |
| 21:42.32 | Shirik|Ecole | hold up |
| 21:42.33 | Shirik|Ecole | hold |
| 21:42.34 | Shirik|Ecole | up |
| 21:42.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn just asked for mod suggestions |
| 21:42.47 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:42.48 | Shirik|Ecole | is that to imply that she's... playing? |
| 21:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 21:42.54 | Cairenn | shhh! |
| 21:43.45 | alestane | What's it been, dear, two years? |
| 21:43.52 | Cairenn | ummm |
| 21:44.04 | Cairenn | well, I stopped playing before BC came out |
| 21:44.13 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: how much do you like C++? |
| 21:44.15 | Cairenn | played with it a bit during beta, but yeah |
| 21:44.18 | Shirik|Ecole | or is it C that you started playing with? |
| 21:44.50 | Cairenn | yes, though, I have been playing again, actually started playing again a while ago |
| 21:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: don't know much of it |
| 21:45.28 | Shirik|Ecole | Didn't you recently start picking up a new language? |
| 21:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | uh? |
| 21:47.01 | Tem | Shirik|Ecole, if it's of any interest to you, I will be spending most of this semester in C++ after a long stint in Java land |
| 21:47.09 | Shirik|Ecole | fun fun |
| 21:47.13 | Tem | so far, I think compiling sucks |
| 21:47.19 | Tem | but I like having pointers again |
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| 21:47.29 | Tem | also, Strings can suck my balls |
| 21:47.30 | p3lim | when i make a table and add an entry, how can i remove it? |
| 21:47.35 | p3lim | not an array table btw |
| 21:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | p3lim: set it to nil |
| 21:47.51 | Tem | note that the table won't resize itself |
| 21:48.01 | Tem | until a GC |
| 21:48.06 | Tem | actually |
| 21:48.13 | Tem | I don't remember if it will resize at all |
| 21:48.25 | p3lim | well i would like it to be removed completely |
| 21:48.32 | p3lim | since it adds to loading time |
| 21:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | set it to nil and forget about it |
| 21:48.45 | Tem | p3lim, what on earth are you onto now? |
| 21:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:48.51 | alestane | It won't be written back on next save IIRC. |
| 21:48.54 | p3lim | i can easily do it with an array table but not that kind |
| 21:49.00 | Shirik|Ecole | what you are asking does not make sense, p3lim |
| 21:49.04 | Shirik|Ecole | at least not in Lua's context |
| 21:49.55 | p3lim | local newtable {}; newtable[value] = true << want to remove the whole key |
| 21:50.01 | Shadowed | Pro tip |
| 21:50.05 | Shadowed | if you're worrying about performance already |
| 21:50.07 | Shadowed | you're doing it wrong |
| 21:50.12 | p3lim | just remove it completely out of the table |
| 21:50.14 | alestane | neatable[value] = nil. |
| 21:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | set it to nil and poof |
| 21:50.36 | p3lim | it wont technically be removed from the table, just set to nil |
| 21:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I still like my answer |
| 21:50.58 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:48 < ScytheBlade1> set it to nil and forget about it |
| 21:51.07 | Arrowmaster | thats the only thing you can do |
| 21:51.10 | alestane | Eventually a GC cycle will come along and strip it out. |
| 21:51.12 | p3lim | ok |
| 21:51.36 | p3lim | yeah but say you have a couple of thousands of keys |
| 21:51.42 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> t = {value = true}; collectgarbage"collect"; local n = collectgarbage"count"; t.value = nil; collectgarbage"collect"; return n - collectgarbage"count"; |
| 21:51.43 | p3lim | that would affect loading time |
| 21:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Same applies |
| 21:51.43 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 0.0517578125 |
| 21:51.48 | Shadowed | what are you doing that you have thousands of keys |
| 21:51.51 | Shirik|Ecole | Then why are they there in the first place, p3lim |
| 21:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Then the ans-- exactly what Shirik|Ecole said |
| 21:52.00 | Shirik|Ecole | Removing them takes time too, you know |
| 21:52.24 | ScytheBlade1 | If you don't want them to "consume time" then don't create them |
| 21:52.42 | alestane | If you set them to nil, the variable pickler should pass them over on the next write anyway, so they won't affect the next load time. |
| 21:53.01 | Arrowmaster | are we even talking about savedvars here? |
| 21:53.02 | Shirik|Ecole | p3lim: I'm sorry, my responses are limited...you must ask the right questions. |
| 21:53.02 | p3lim | Shirik|Ecole: is that in bytes? |
| 21:53.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I would like to know how to get 0.05 bytes |
| 21:53.40 | p3lim | i have no idea what collectgarbage returns in |
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| 21:53.43 | Tem | lua> .05*8 |
| 21:53.44 | lua_bot | Tem: 0.4 |
| 21:53.53 | Shirik|Ecole | cookies to anyone who knows where that quote comes from |
| 21:54.12 | Tem | Shirik|Ecole, it rings a bell, but I can't place it |
| 21:54.23 | p3lim | alfred |
| 21:54.35 | Tem | What's the average flight speed of a swallow? |
| 21:54.35 | p3lim | I robot, i saw it yesterday for funsies |
| 21:55.43 | p3lim | Tem: depends on the swallow |
| 21:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: fun thing with java that I found out the other day |
| 21:55.54 | Tem | p3lim fails |
| 21:56.03 | mikma | ya |
| 21:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: on windows, the millisecond timer only updates 64 times a second. On my (linux) laptop, it updated ~999.4 times a second |
| 21:56.37 | Shirik|Ecole | That's the clock resolution |
| 21:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 21:56.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Windows has a multimedia clock for improved resolution |
| 21:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it that's what the nanosecond timer uses? |
| 21:57.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess |
| 21:57.58 | mikma | is Aged Winter Cloak good for dps dk? |
| 21:59.08 | Dewin | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F02%2F03%2F194238&from=rss ... |
| 21:59.21 | p3lim | lua> t = {'1' = true}; t['1'] = nil; collectgarbage('collect'); print(t['1']) |
| 21:59.23 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 21:59.24 | Dewin | that almost would have made the super bowl worth watching. |
| 21:59.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: what, the porn? |
| 21:59.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1113177&cid=26701603 (not related to that specific article) |
| 21:59.49 | p3lim | lua> t = {['1'] = true}; t['1'] = nil; collectgarbage('collect'); print(t['1']) |
| 21:59.50 | lua_bot | p3lim: nil |
| 21:59.58 | Dewin | yes. |
| 22:00.03 | p3lim | so it will never be removed |
| 22:00.18 | zenzelezz | Dewin: meh, screw that. Give me female tennis any day, that's interesting softcore (with the right players) |
| 22:00.25 | p3lim | unless i use an array table ofcourse |
| 22:00.59 | Dewin | ScytheBlade1: Going from superbowl porn to server naming conventions is kind of an interesting leap. |
| 22:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: it was open in another tab, and slashdot is slashdot |
| 22:01.17 | Dewin | My current server naming scheme at work is related to coffee products. |
| 22:01.22 | p3lim | does blizzard SVDB support array tables? |
| 22:01.40 | Dewin | americano and chai are the the two right now, caffeine was retired. |
| 22:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | there was another amazing comment in there which is slightly more related, sec |
| 22:01.42 | Shadowed | No you have to convert them to base64 |
| 22:01.44 | Shadowed | and save them that way |
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| 22:02.14 | Tem | mikma, what kind of DK? |
| 22:02.21 | Tem | blood sure |
| 22:02.28 | Tem | frost/unholy? fuck you armor pen |
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| 22:02.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Here we are |
| 22:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/262657/the-coolest-server-names |
| 22:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | First reply |
| 22:03.24 | Tem | (actually, for frost it really depends on the rotation you use, but it's even worse than haste no matter which thanks to killing machine and frost strike) |
| 22:04.02 | Dewin | Heh |
| 22:04.28 | Dewin | My home computers all use mythological names, but I don't constrain it to one mythos. |
| 22:04.45 | Dewin | Though entirely by coincidence, the two desktops are prometheus and medusa. |
| 22:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm thinking that RFB has possibilities |
| 22:05.08 | Tifi | lua> t={} print(t['whatever dude']) |
| 22:05.09 | lua_bot | Tifi: nil |
| 22:05.27 | Dewin | medusa got the name when I was building the computer and at one point had all of the cables routed outside of the case to get them out of the way. |
| 22:05.34 | Dewin | I looked at it from the distance and went "It's like snakes for hair" |
| 22:05.53 | End | haha |
| 22:06.02 | End | I like the explaination for mountains |
| 22:06.07 | End | for server names |
| 22:06.14 | End | mountains don't crash |
| 22:06.22 | End | (although sometimes they explode) |
| 22:07.19 | Dewin | End: Unless they're "Whistler" |
| 22:09.31 | Dewin | I like the Sun one. "My Sun died this week." |
| 22:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 22:15.05 | Tem | oh GOD FUCKING DAMNIT |
| 22:15.20 | Tem | a friend of mine who just started playing got his account hacked |
| 22:15.28 | Tem | he didn't have anything worth stealing |
| 22:15.30 | Tem | but I did |
| 22:15.33 | Tem | in the guild bank |
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| 22:15.39 | Tem | which they took all of |
| 22:15.42 | Tem | ALL of it |
| 22:16.00 | kamdis | That happened to us at the end of TBC |
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| 22:16.07 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 22:16.08 | kamdis | like 200 void crystals |
| 22:16.10 | kamdis | etc. |
| 22:16.25 | Lyn | any raiding elemental here? |
| 22:16.27 | Tem | this was all my own personal shit |
| 22:16.30 | kamdis | We got it all restored once the acct. was restored though. just in time for no one to care about that stuff. heh. |
| 22:16.42 | Tem | well I need the gems |
| 22:16.48 | Tem | I got new gear last night that I need to gem |
| 22:16.50 | Tem | for raid tonight |
| 22:16.53 | Cide | pretty sure elementals hang out in other channels. in this channel, there are only *PEOPLE* |
| 22:16.56 | kamdis | :| |
| 22:17.00 | Lyn | :< |
| 22:17.25 | kamdis | putting your personal shit in the gbank ftl, i guess. |
| 22:18.57 | Esamynn | Tem: ouch |
| 22:19.22 | Tem | kamdis, I own the guild |
| 22:19.27 | Tem | it's like me and 4 people |
| 22:19.54 | Shadowed | punch him |
| 22:19.55 | Shadowed | for being hacked |
| 22:20.23 | Tem | I demoted him to NO TOUCH BANK rank |
| 22:20.43 | Tem | and I told him to go buy an authenticator before talking to me again |
| 22:22.57 | kamdis | didn't someone around here write a standalone "why did I/someone in my group die" mod? |
| 22:22.57 | kamdis | I can't remember the name, it's on wowi |
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| 22:31.59 | MoonWolf | i could use one of those. |
| 22:32.04 | |Jelly| | kamdis: Are you talking about Grim Reaper? |
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| 22:33.50 | durcyn | shadowed had a version of Expiration going for a while, not sure if it still works |
| 22:33.57 | Shadowed | it does |
| 22:35.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Pop quiz to anyone who knows intel architecture |
| 22:35.07 | Shirik|Ecole | if I see this address: 30 5b 87 0c |
| 22:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | 42 |
| 22:35.15 | Shirik|Ecole | That means 0x0c875b30 right? |
| 22:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 42. |
| 22:47.40 | kamdis | No Jelly, not Grim Reaper |
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| 22:48.52 | foxlit | /.: "it a torso with no head or limbs. Just a nutrient intake tube and waste output tube." |
| 22:48.53 | foxlit | "You just described my mother you insensitive clod!!!" |
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| 22:54.43 | Shirik|Ecole | are all XKCD comics the same width? |
| 22:54.58 | Shirik|Ecole | nah they're not |
| 22:54.59 | Shirik|Ecole | oh well |
| 22:58.38 | Lunessa | Shirik|Ecole: "That means 0x0c875b30 right?" I believe so. |
| 22:59.00 | Shirik|Ecole | blah |
| 22:59.03 | Shirik|Ecole | tell me that 20 minutes ago :P |
| 22:59.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I figured it out though, but thanks :) |
| 22:59.28 | Lunessa | Sorry - was busy, and you're the guy with more ready access to white papers. |
| 22:59.39 | Shirik|Ecole | this code is hurting my head |
| 22:59.44 | Shirik|Ecole | it would make even batrick become scared of pointers |
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| 23:00.27 | Lunessa | in c, c++, and c# pointers make everyone crazy. That's the most thumbed portion of all my c references. |
| 23:00.35 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/107638-2nqz |
| 23:00.40 | Shirik|Ecole | I especially like lines 84-86 |
| 23:02.02 | Lunessa | *snicker* reusable code rocks. |
| 23:03.06 | [dRaCo] | char*** *starts crying* |
| 23:05.00 | Shirik|Ecole | that char*** must as well be a void* really |
| 23:05.21 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> I just got asked what spec I am. |
| 23:05.25 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm on my mage. |
| 23:05.47 | Hirsute | Well, what spec are you? |
| 23:05.50 | Shirik|Ecole | NightHawkTheSane, what spec are you? |
| 23:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | healer, actually. |
| 23:06.07 | Hirsute | :p |
| 23:06.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm a fiend with bandages. and that evocate glyph is pretty sweet |
| 23:06.23 | Shirik|Ecole | evocate glyph? |
| 23:06.37 | NeoTron | kamdis: Acheron |
| 23:06.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Evocate returns 60% health as well |
| 23:06.41 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 23:06.56 | NightHawkTheSane | that glyph + 2m evocates = soloing win. |
| 23:08.20 | NeoTron | Acheron is ftw. the newish death timeline mkes it a lot more useful too |
| 23:08.30 | NeoTron | answers immediately the question "did the tank or healer die first" |
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| 23:11.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Warnings for 32114: |
| 23:12.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Wind Chill Advisory, Hard Freeze Warning, Fire Weather Watch, Fire Weather Warning |
| 23:12.10 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf is that |
| 23:12.19 | End | Watch out for FIRE |
| 23:12.32 | Shirik|Ecole | frozen fire? |
| 23:18.47 | foxlit | no, ice on fire |
| 23:21.27 | batrick | that's not scary, just ugly shirik |
| 23:22.01 | batrick | that reinterpret cast magicy shit is what makes it ugly iom |
| 23:22.03 | batrick | imo* |
| 23:23.27 | Tekkub | Frostfire Weather Watch? |
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