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| 00:00.26 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 00:00.33 | Esamynn | ~poke Zootfizzle |
| 00:00.34 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Zootfizzle, pokes Zootfizzle repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:01.01 | Zootfizzle | Poor little tree =( |
| 00:01.14 | WobWork | iiinteresting... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catholics-ordered-to-keep-quiet-over-virgin-visions-1332016.html |
| 00:01.17 | Esamynn | since when do gnomes care about trees? :P |
| 00:01.30 | Zootfizzle | That tree could have been used for any number of wooden sprockets! |
| 00:01.33 | Zootfizzle | Very tiny ones! |
| 00:02.00 | WobWork | well.. it's easier to use them as sprockets |
| 00:02.03 | WobWork | now that it's cut down, right? |
| 00:02.21 | WobWork | You weren't going to torture the live tree by cutting out sprockets while it was still living, were you?! |
| 00:02.38 | Zootfizzle | I don't think purl will give it to me, tends to side with cogwheel :P |
| 00:04.34 | cog|work | ~botsnack |
| 00:04.34 | purl | :), cog|work |
| 00:04.55 | Esamynn | cog|work: suck up |
| 00:05.57 | cog|work | somehow i don't think that was very effective :P |
| 00:06.11 | mikma | need more chocolate to survive |
| 00:06.55 | mikma | was a great semipug run in naxx25, i was in top3 dps all the time with my dw hybrid dk |
| 00:07.19 | mikma | i mean c'mon, only one beating me was full naxx25 geared, good hunter |
| 00:07.37 | NeoTron | mikma: your nerf shall come |
| 00:07.51 | mikma | oh dont believe that |
| 00:08.06 | NeoTron | what do yuou mean don't believe that? |
| 00:08.11 | NeoTron | it's not like it's a rumor, it's fact |
| 00:08.20 | Shirik | it's never fact until it happens |
| 00:08.31 | NeoTron | they are nerfing killing machine (for fast wpn DW) and gargoyle dps/longevity at the very least |
| 00:08.41 | Shirik | coh getting a cooldown was "fact" in beta |
| 00:08.53 | foxlit | last I read, they failed at nerfing things. |
| 00:08.54 | NeoTron | flipside being that killing machine will become really nice for 2h frost tanks |
| 00:09.03 | mikma | but i didnt even use cargoyle that much in bossfights |
| 00:09.12 | mikma | just dw + howling blast |
| 00:09.16 | Esamynn | what's a cargoyle? |
| 00:09.21 | Esamynn | a really, really ugly car? |
| 00:09.26 | mikma | it still crits like a moose, even without km |
| 00:09.42 | mikma | esamynn: yes, the one you drive |
| 00:09.58 | Esamynn | my brother's would agree with you :P |
| 00:10.07 | Esamynn | s/brother's/brothers/ |
| 00:10.45 | WobWork | My sister was once bitten by a cargoyle |
| 00:11.00 | NeoTron | mikma: if you have specced for garoyle and you're not using it "that much" you fail :P |
| 00:11.07 | mikma | did she bite back? |
| 00:11.27 | mikma | neotron: it died almost instantly after summon, what can i do lol |
| 00:11.49 | Esamynn | mikma: not fail, jeez |
| 00:12.04 | NeoTron | curious though, what kind of dps did you do to be 3rd? on a boss like, say, patchwerk |
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| 00:12.12 | mikma | i cant help if it dies instantly |
| 00:12.19 | NeoTron | might just be that the pug dpsers just sucked too :P |
| 00:12.22 | mikma | neotron: didnt manage that far =( |
| 00:12.31 | foxlit | pug dps always sucks |
| 00:12.32 | foxlit | ALWAYS |
| 00:12.36 | mikma | loatheb was 3.4k |
| 00:12.39 | Esamynn | *ALWAYS* |
| 00:12.41 | foxlit | THERE IS NO EXCEPTION. EVER. |
| 00:12.45 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 00:13.31 | Cide | raise Exception("now there is") |
| 00:13.44 | foxlit | Cide: that's a compile error. |
| 00:13.50 | Cide | not in python |
| 00:14.03 | mikma | yeah, always. but it was free 4 emblems before reset =/ |
| 00:14.15 | Esamynn | not bad |
| 00:14.15 | foxlit | mikma: yeah. |
| 00:14.25 | foxlit | except for it was 2 |
| 00:14.36 | foxlit | I must've been in the fail pug, or did you kill noth et al without me? |
| 00:14.47 | Esamynn | my guild cleared Naxx25 our first week in there |
| 00:14.54 | NeoTron | mikma: 3.4k dps on loatheb in a 25-man? |
| 00:14.57 | Esamynn | 1 shotted the dragon |
| 00:15.06 | foxlit | i r retired! |
| 00:15.09 | mikma | neotron: yes |
| 00:15.29 | mikma | and i was second in dps |
| 00:15.38 | Esamynn | that seems low |
| 00:15.54 | NeoTron | mikma: I did 4.3k dps on loatheb last week... as unholy tank build without perma-ghoul or gargoyle |
| 00:15.55 | mikma | so is my gear =) |
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| 00:16.00 | NeoTron | so I'll go with b) dps sucked :P |
| 00:16.21 | mikma | the whole pug sucked |
| 00:16.27 | cloudwolf | would any one know an easier/newbier friendly howto on this subject |
| 00:16.29 | NeoTron | sounds typical |
| 00:16.32 | cloudwolf | http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 00:16.36 | foxlit | And my tank spec landed me on spot #2 on Loatheb |
| 00:16.45 | foxlit | I mean, there's no cure for failures |
| 00:16.50 | foxlit | However |
| 00:17.03 | foxlit | Can someone explain what's actually going on with Ebon Plaguebringer? |
| 00:17.23 | foxlit | Seems to do weird things if you stack two DKs with it in the same raid |
| 00:17.34 | NeoTron | mikma: http://wowwebstats.com/osdzqo6um3zyc?s=242048-285185 |
| 00:17.51 | foxlit | Sometimes the other guy's diseases seem to prolong my ebon plague; sometimes they outright steal it :/ |
| 00:17.56 | NeoTron | foxlit: it doesn't stack |
| 00:18.01 | foxlit | I know. |
| 00:18.06 | NeoTron | either you get it or the other person does |
| 00:18.07 | foxlit | But the debuff ownership is what's being weird |
| 00:18.22 | NeoTron | don't know if it's even deterministic |
| 00:18.33 | cloudwolf | >.< |
| 00:18.33 | mikma | neotron: .. and? |
| 00:18.54 | cloudwolf | sooo... who here creates addons that can point me in a direction thats easier to understand than |
| 00:18.55 | cloudwolf | http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 00:18.59 | NeoTron | mikma: and nothing really |
| 00:19.23 | mikma | which one of those noobs is your char |
| 00:19.32 | NeoTron | I'm morasia |
| 00:20.23 | foxlit | Cloud: give me a few fractions of an hour |
| 00:20.23 | cloudwolf | lol foxlit |
| 00:21.31 | Shirik | Is heresiarchguild.com down for anyone else? |
| 00:21.46 | foxlit | fact check in aisle 6: |
| 00:21.52 | foxlit | The sequence is as follows: |
| 00:22.00 | foxlit | 1. AddOnName.lua loads and executes |
| 00:22.01 | foxlit | 2. ADDON_LOADED event fires for MyAddOn |
| 00:22.06 | foxlit | 3. SavedVariables.lua loads and executes |
| 00:22.29 | Esamynn | uhh |
| 00:22.32 | foxlit | I was under the impression that ADDON_LOADED means your SVs are ready |
| 00:22.37 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 00:22.38 | foxlit | Shirik: you're up |
| 00:22.44 | Shirik | so wtf |
| 00:23.06 | Esamynn | foxlit: ADDON_LOADED does mean exactly that |
| 00:23.17 | foxlit | Good, thanks. |
| 00:23.20 | Shirik | downforeveryoneorjustme says "Huh? Doesn't look like a site on the interwho" and I can't get to it, but my server monitors say it's up |
| 00:24.28 | foxlit | downforeveryoneorjustme sucks |
| 00:24.45 | foxlit | It also says "It's just you. heresiarchguild.com is up." |
| 00:25.56 | cloudwolf | see what i need to figure out is how to load saved and to make it save i have the ## SavedVeriables: veriablehere in my toc |
| 00:26.22 | Esamynn | ... |
| 00:26.38 | foxlit | again, few fractions of an hour |
| 00:26.47 | NeoTron | did you really put SavedVeriables there or is that an IRC typo? |
| 00:26.50 | foxlit | You also need to spell Variables right |
| 00:27.00 | cloudwolf | i did |
| 00:27.05 | cloudwolf | i spelt it right i spelled it wrong in here heh |
| 00:27.08 | NeoTron | also something that might bite you - did you restart WoW after editing the toc? |
| 00:27.24 | WobWork | I wonder if I should transfer off AD |
| 00:27.26 | cloudwolf | neotron i havn't even tested it yet... |
| 00:27.32 | cloudwolf | im trying to figure out how to even work it first.. |
| 00:27.37 | WobWork | since there are free transfers to the new realm |
| 00:27.43 | WobWork | not that I play those toons anyway |
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| 00:29.07 | cloudwolf | is there some one here who is good with savedvariables and the such that i can talk to 1 on 1 in mirc instead of in this channel? |
| 00:29.31 | WobWork | Does the free transfer start the X month cooldown for paid transfers? |
| 00:29.33 | NeoTron | there really isn't a whole lot to talk about |
| 00:29.52 | NeoTron | test it and if it doesn't work ask specifics |
| 00:33.53 | Shirik | cloudwolf: in general, talking 1-on-1 is shunned in IRC contexts |
| 00:34.01 | cloudwolf | Reason for this? |
| 00:34.12 | Shirik | if there is a question to be answered, ask it in public; chances are others can learn from what you ask |
| 00:34.31 | cloudwolf | It helps me much more considering if they give me example code i don't have to scroll up forever/to reread what was typed |
| 00:34.35 | Shirik | ~asktherightquestions |
| 00:34.39 | Shirik | bleh |
| 00:34.57 | Shirik | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:35.10 | Shirik | ~smartquestions |
| 00:35.11 | purl | i heard smartquestions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:35.36 | Shirik | In particular, cloudwolf, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#noprivate |
| 00:35.46 | Shirik | That is geared towards mailing lists, but the same mentality applies |
| 00:35.56 | NeoTron | typically how things work is to try it and if it doesn't work use pastey.net or similar to post the code that didn't work and ask for advice |
| 00:36.30 | Dewin | IRC is just a faster moving mailing list/newsgroup with smaller messages, after all :) |
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| 00:38.03 | Dewin | The other advantage to asking/getting a reply in public is you get a chance for people to add their insight or possibly point out something wrong in the first response you get. |
| 00:38.31 | Shirik|AFK | You also get to see the humor and laugh publically when an answer is repeated |
| 00:38.40 | Shirik|AFK | ^_^ |
| 00:39.14 | Dewin | eh, mine was adding insight, not repeating :-p |
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| 00:40.25 | Shirik|AFK | First paragraph |
| 00:40.28 | Shirik|AFK | "Hackers believe solving problems should be a public, transparent process during which a first try at an answer can and should be corrected if someone more knowledgeable notices that it is incomplete or incorrect. Also, helpers get some of their reward for being respondents from being seen to be competent and knowledgeable by their peers." |
| 00:41.17 | Dewin | And summarizing a few bits of the article/from my own experience benefits those who are just observing in the channel and don't neccessarily click every link they see :-p |
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| 00:42.12 | Shirik|AFK | How dare you not click every link! |
| 00:42.19 | Shirik|AFK | I bet if it was mikma's link you would have clicked it |
| 00:43.44 | Dewin | If someone's just reading the window periodically while, say, at work, they have a perfectly legitimate reason to not click the link :-p |
| 00:43.54 | Dewin | or if it's that which should not be named |
| 00:44.06 | Shirik|AFK | You work? |
| 00:44.09 | Shirik|AFK | you're not allowed to work |
| 00:44.19 | cloudwolf | that witch should not be named? |
| 00:45.29 | Dewin | Shirik: I gotta pay for wow somehow. :-p |
| 00:45.38 | Dewin | and the mountain dew and the internet connection |
| 00:45.44 | Esamynn | cloudwolf: no witches here, don't you know there are no gurls on the intertubes? :P |
| 00:45.53 | WobWork | shirik: Well that's cause Mikma's links are often amusing! =) |
| 00:46.11 | WobWork | We'll soon see if she's a witch. |
| 00:46.15 | mikma | wut |
| 00:46.16 | Esamynn | WobWork: a wooden duck? |
| 00:46.43 | Esamynn | I'll grab the "carefully balanced" scale |
| 00:47.13 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/106237 |
| 00:47.24 | foxlit | comments, please :) |
| 00:48.16 | Shirik|AFK | foxlit: http://pastey.net/106238 |
| 00:48.45 | foxlit | Shirik: no block comments? boo! |
| 00:48.55 | Shirik|AFK | I don't use emacs |
| 00:49.01 | Shirik|AFK | itw ould be too hard to write all the different types of comments |
| 00:49.17 | Shirik|AFK | --[[ ... ]] |
| 00:49.21 | Shirik|AFK | --[=[ ... ]=] |
| 00:49.25 | Shirik|AFK | --[==[ ... ]=] |
| 00:49.30 | Shirik|AFK | --[===[ ... ]===] |
| 00:49.32 | Dewin | Foxlit: What, exactly, is the point? PoC? |
| 00:49.33 | Shirik|AFK | etc |
| 00:49.45 | Dewin | oh, wait. I know. |
| 00:49.49 | WobWork | Dewin: to show use of saved variable |
| 00:50.00 | Esamynn | lol |
| 00:50.12 | Esamynn | ~poke Shirik |
| 00:50.13 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:50.15 | Esamynn | ~poke Shirik|AFK |
| 00:50.16 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik|AFK, pokes Shirik|AFK repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:50.36 | Esamynn | WobWork: on this topic? probably |
| 00:50.46 | Dewin | I paid more attention, as opposed to paying attention more. |
| 00:50.48 | Esamynn | but we're having fun, so don't kill our joy! |
| 00:50.56 | Dewin | It doesn't mean attention is overpaid, it's a unit of currency approximately worth $0.02 USD |
| 00:51.26 | Shirik|AFK | A penny is worth $0.01 USD |
| 00:51.32 | Shirik|AFK | oh |
| 00:51.35 | Shirik|AFK | I misread |
| 00:51.44 | WobWork | You should pay more attention =P |
| 00:51.45 | Esamynn | ~failrik |
| 00:51.46 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:52.55 | mikma | foxlit: +1 awesome |
| 00:54.06 | Dewin | I need to stop paying attention to this irc channel. I might start writing an addon again. |
| 00:54.23 | WobWork | it's true |
| 00:54.32 | foxlit | I was mildly hoping that requesting comments would prevent things like |
| 00:54.33 | foxlit | function frame:OnEvent(self, event, arg1) |
| 00:54.35 | WobWork | IRC is an immediate -3 to Productivity |
| 00:54.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ninja cat! http://www.videosift.com/video/Parkour-Cat-Ninja |
| 00:55.40 | mikma | wobwork: -3? try -13 |
| 00:55.52 | mikma | so math... |
| 00:55.56 | cloudwolf | its not nearly as bad as counterstrike source |
| 00:55.59 | Dewin | I should ressurect/finish Progression. |
| 00:56.03 | cloudwolf | thats a -15% to maturity |
| 00:56.08 | Dewin | Considering I'm still using it as an XP bar addon and it drives even me nuts. |
| 00:56.26 | Dewin | wtb something comparable |
| 00:56.35 | mikma | its wednesday in there, you work at 40% normally. -13 on that, and 27% ! |
| 00:58.03 | cloudwolf | ok fox im creating a savedvar string table |
| 00:58.47 | mikma | i created a mega-addon couple of days ago!! |
| 01:00.04 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FDebugSV%2F#_DebugSV_ |
| 01:00.06 | Thunder_Child | 40% -13 != 27% |
| 01:00.09 | mikma | there you go! |
| 01:02.57 | cloudwolf | ugh brain has died a little more |
| 01:04.43 | Esamynn | I can see the smoke from here |
| 01:04.59 | Thunder_Child | no thats just another CA forest fire |
| 01:05.06 | Esamynn | oh, my bad |
| 01:05.46 | Tekkub | how is there any forest left in CA to burn? |
| 01:05.58 | Thunder_Child | because there is a lot of CA |
| 01:06.25 | Thunder_Child | "Dragon Age: Origins will attempt to recapture the magic of Baldur's Gate. No, not the console version of Baldur's Gate. Turns out there was a PC one about 10 years ago. Then, fire was invented." |
| 01:06.41 | Esamynn | haha |
| 01:09.05 | Dewin | my UI layout is such a mess, I'm tempted to write an addon for it >.> |
| 01:09.23 | Thunder_Child | Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty and Diablo III |
| 01:09.23 | Thunder_Child | Projected release dates: 2009, maybe. |
| 01:09.35 | Thunder_Child | good old blizzards answer ^^ |
| 01:10.36 | Esamynn | where did you see said release year? |
| 01:10.38 | cloudwolf | Foxlit you here? |
| 01:10.42 | foxlit | yes |
| 01:10.46 | Esamynn | also, Diablo III this year, I don't believe it |
| 01:10.53 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 01:10.59 | Cide | did blizzard make a semi-statement? |
| 01:11.03 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 01:11.07 | Thunder_Child | this is CES talk |
| 01:11.08 | cloudwolf | would havewemetcount = havewemetcount{} or {} work? |
| 01:11.26 | Thunder_Child | er, or rather just upcoming games to watch out for |
| 01:11.44 | cloudwolf | meh ile try it |
| 01:12.30 | foxlit | come to think of it, I shouldn't actually use that syntax |
| 01:13.27 | foxlit | cloudwolf: if you're using the pastey code, it won't work for a different reason |
| 01:13.39 | cloudwolf | brb |
| 01:13.45 | cloudwolf | im not naming it hte same as yours |
| 01:13.50 | cloudwolf | im using a differnet var name |
| 01:13.55 | cloudwolf | the name i specified |
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| 01:14.43 | cloudwolf | brb |
| 01:16.22 | WobWork | cloudwolf: I advise you read Programming In Lua |
| 01:16.28 | Esamynn | ~pil |
| 01:16.29 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 01:21.46 | cloudwolf | yay for \AddOns\GuildChatAdmin\guildchatadmin.lua line 24: attempt to call global 'testsv' (a nil value) |
| 01:22.28 | foxlit | cloudwolf: http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
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| 01:22.59 | cloudwolf | ive read it and it confuses me... |
| 01:23.16 | foxlit | click the link. :) |
| 01:23.54 | cloudwolf | why is it hte same link but different?... |
| 01:24.10 | mikma | ninjaedit |
| 01:24.11 | foxlit | Because it's a wiki |
| 01:24.18 | foxlit | contents may change and everything ) |
| 01:24.32 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 01:25.30 | cloudwolf | foxlit do you want to see my line 24?... |
| 01:25.52 | foxlit | want is a strong word. |
| 01:26.20 | cloudwolf | ... would you please look at my line 24 and help me figure out why i get \AddOns\GuildChatAdmin\guildchatadmin.lua line 24: attempt to call global 'testsv' (a nil value) |
| 01:26.28 | Esamynn | foxlit: nice update, looks good at first glance |
| 01:28.53 | cloudwolf | ty for the update foxlit ile see if that can help me more |
| 01:33.41 | cloudwolf | hmmm... |
| 01:33.45 | cloudwolf | gota figure something out |
| 01:33.51 | cloudwolf | ~pil |
| 01:33.52 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:45.58 | cloudwolf | hmm... my slash command won't work even though its after the function that it points to and all my other functions are working properly |
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| 01:49.41 | Olorin_ | cloud do pastey |
| 01:53.29 | cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/106247 |
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| 01:56.00 | Brimm | vehicle question: are there any events fired when a player enters/leaves a vehicle? |
| 01:56.49 | cloudwolf | olorin you get hte link? |
| 01:57.03 | Tekkub | I'm sure there are, look at how the vehicle UI works? |
| 01:58.01 | Brimm | I've been digging around forums and such for events and while I can find a good list of vehicle methods the events aren't listed anywhere (that I've found yet) |
| 01:58.13 | Brimm | by "looking at the vehicle UI" do you mean unpacking the interface files from the MPQs? |
| 01:58.17 | Olorin_ | ya not sure if necessary but invert the lines slashcmdlist and next |
| 01:58.45 | Tekkub | yes |
| 01:58.59 | Tekkub | first place you should look for "how does this work" is the default UI's code |
| 01:59.10 | Tekkub | or an addon that does what you're trying to do |
| 01:59.13 | Arrowmaster | Brimm: there are 4 |
| 01:59.26 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:59.27 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 02:03.49 | foxlit | cloudwolf: SLASH_SVT="/svt" should be SLASH_SVT1="/svt" |
| 02:05.24 | Brimm | thanks for the http://wowprogramming.com reference, didn't know that site existed |
| 02:05.46 | Thunder_Child | spread the word |
| 02:06.26 | cloudwolf | olorin flipping the order of those two lines didn't change a thing |
| 02:07.15 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 02:07.27 | cloudwolf | thats probebly my problem heh |
| 02:07.41 | Olorin_ | foxlit is right, was gonna say same but I wasnt certain if needs to specify if was only 1 |
| 02:11.14 | |Jelly| | Executioner or 50ap for a LULZTWINK (until they "nerf" KM that is) DW DK? |
| 02:11.24 | |Jelly| | Cause I'm going with Executioner ATM based on looks alone. |
| 02:11.28 | foxlit | "As the name implies, the hash part uses a hash algorithm to store and ï¬nd its |
| 02:11.28 | foxlit | keys. It uses what is called an open address table, which means that all entries |
| 02:11.29 | foxlit | are stored in the hash array itself." |
| 02:12.12 | foxlit | I wonder if that means that key-removal performance sucks for hash tables near maximum capacity. |
| 02:13.57 | Olorin_ | was their a Lua function that allows nil resuls to be reportd as 0 |
| 02:14.47 | WobWork | variablename or 0 |
| 02:16.02 | Olorin_ | so i could use for 1, table.getn(test) or 0 do ... |
| 02:17.30 | WobWork | I'm not sure if table.getn will fail or not |
| 02:17.44 | WobWork | and isn't getn thingieised? |
| 02:17.53 | WobWork | depreciated for #test? |
| 02:18.33 | Shirik|AFK | Olorin_ |
| 02:18.35 | Shirik|AFK | ... |
| 02:18.46 | Shirik|AFK | ... WobWork |
| 02:18.50 | Shirik|AFK | "thingieised?" |
| 02:18.55 | Shirik|AFK | ~thingieised |
| 02:19.08 | Shirik|AFK | purl, thingieised is another word for "deprecated" |
| 02:19.09 | purl | okay, Shirik|AFK |
| 02:19.09 | WobWork | I had a brain blank =P |
| 02:19.35 | Olorin_ | poop i got that all over lol |
| 02:19.46 | Olorin_ | table.getn not the poop lol |
| 02:20.47 | Shirik|AFK | table.getn is bad |
| 02:21.14 | Olorin_ | dangit its in the lua manual so i used it or wherver i saw it |
| 02:21.32 | Olorin_ | probably outta date wowwiki example |
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| 02:26.38 | Cronoh | I think im tottally confused on how this works? Problem looping through an array: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106251 |
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| 02:30.53 | WobWork | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106252 |
| 02:31.23 | Cronoh | ohhh! i didnt realize it it did that |
| 02:31.29 | Cronoh | makes perfect sense, thank you |
| 02:32.04 | WobWork | nw |
| 02:32.23 | foxlit | doesn't compile? |
| 02:32.39 | foxlit | too many ends |
| 02:33.10 | foxlit | also, k["rolling"] is lunacy :) |
| 02:33.25 | Olorin_ | well thanks for the assistance again, goodnight all |
| 02:33.51 | Cronoh | lunacy? |
| 02:34.00 | foxlit | lunacy |
| 02:34.06 | Cronoh | btw, doesn't seem to work, but not throwing any errors =/ |
| 02:34.08 | foxlit | your first version is one character away from working properly |
| 02:34.19 | Cronoh | really |
| 02:34.20 | foxlit | Allow me to illustrate: |
| 02:34.22 | Cronoh | hint pls? :D |
| 02:34.46 | foxlit | lua> t = {"one", "two", "three", k="key!", z="orro"} for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(k); end |
| 02:34.46 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1, 2, 3 |
| 02:34.52 | foxlit | lua> t = {"one", "two", "three", k="key!", z="orro"} for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k); end |
| 02:34.52 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1, 2, 3, k, z |
| 02:35.15 | Cronoh | right |
| 02:35.20 | WobWork | oh sorry, I missed the i |
| 02:35.21 | Cronoh | oh |
| 02:35.32 | WobWork | my bad |
| 02:35.36 | foxlit | So your fix is just "remove i from ipairs" |
| 02:35.42 | foxlit | and use your original code |
| 02:35.43 | Cronoh | thats right i remember eading that dang im stupid ;p |
| 02:36.03 | Cronoh | using ipairs it will give numbers to associative arrays, or ignore them actually, right? |
| 02:36.06 | Shirik|AFK | z = "orro" ? |
| 02:36.10 | Shirik|AFK | ~lart foxlit |
| 02:36.10 | purl | changes foxlit's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 02:36.16 | cloudwolf | gah thats what i ahve to do iterate through my damn table to print all the entries... |
| 02:36.38 | WobWork | shirik: I don't see you coming up with better examples =P |
| 02:36.45 | foxlit | Cronoh: ipairs only works for the array portion of the table - that is purely numeric keys from 1 ascending. |
| 02:37.21 | foxlit | Cronoh: while pairs iterates over all key-value pairs |
| 02:41.12 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/13/here_s_the_future_boys (not -quite- work safe) |
| 02:44.57 | cloudwolf | realy... |
| 02:45.23 | cloudwolf | testsv[#testsv+1]= tostring(cmd) is giving me numbers... |
| 02:45.44 | cloudwolf | ~pil |
| 02:45.45 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 02:46.12 | cloudwolf | nvm i can try sumin |
| 02:48.00 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 02:48.02 | cloudwolf | ok |
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| 03:00.49 | Hirsute | *wave Zootfizzle* |
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| 03:30.22 | kd3 | yay boredom at work |
| 03:30.32 | kd3 | boo for boredom being a sign of the shitty economy |
| 03:30.58 | kd3 | cower in fear at the prospect of getting an even greater hour cut in addition to the one we just got last week... >.< |
| 03:32.22 | Iriel | Yay for shepherds pie |
| 03:36.06 | WobWork | "Bored, anonymous, pathetic bloggers who lie annoy meÂ
.I'll tell you, yesterday the Anchorage Daily News, they called again to ask - double-, triple-, quadruple-check - who is Trig's real mom," she said, in an interview to be published in the magazine's March issue. |
| 03:36.21 | WobWork | wait wait... isn't trig her daughter's new baby? |
| 03:39.45 | WobWork | also, for anyone with little kids... http://goldengems.blogspot.com/ |
| 03:51.54 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Now, I swear this helper function (which I grabbed from WoWWiki) was working for me the other day. Now when I attempt to call it with tremovebyval(mytable, "foo") I get an "attempt to call a table value" error. Any know why? |
| 03:51.58 | Hirsute | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106258 |
| 03:53.28 | WobWork | context? |
| 03:54.37 | Hirsute | WobWork: Well, the latest context I was getting it in was this (here comes dry code) |
| 03:54.47 | Hirsute | >local table = {"foo", "bar", "baz"}; local function tremovebyval(tab, val) local k,v for k,v in tab do if (v==val) then table.remove(tab, k) return true end end return false end; tremovebyval(table, "foo"); local value for value in ipairs(table) do print(value) end |
| 03:54.52 | Hirsute | lua>local table = {"foo", "bar", "baz"}; local function tremovebyval(tab, val) local k,v for k,v in tab do if (v==val) then table.remove(tab, k) return true end end return false end; tremovebyval(table, "foo"); local value for value in ipairs(table) do print(value) end |
| 03:54.52 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: attempt to call a table value |
| 03:57.30 | WobWork | isn't 'table' a reserved word? |
| 03:57.43 | Iriel | WobWork: it's not |
| 03:57.54 | Iriel | though if you clobber it you'll lose access to the various table functions |
| 03:57.57 | Iriel | in this case, table.remove |
| 03:58.01 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:58.05 | Iriel | which should've been the give-away |
| 03:58.19 | Hirsute | Hrmm? |
| 03:58.23 | WobWork | It's clobberin time |
| 03:58.28 | WobWork | By redefining 'table' |
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| 03:58.37 | WobWork | you removed the ability to use the normal table library |
| 03:58.55 | WobWork | each time it tries to use table.remove, it tries to call it from your local variable |
| 03:59.00 | Hirsute | lua>local aardvark = {"foo", "bar", "baz"}; local function tremovebyval(tab, val) local k,v for k,v in tab do if (v==val) then table.remove(tab, k) return true end end return false end; tremovebyval(aardvark, "foo"); local value for value in ipairs(table) do print(value) end |
| 03:59.00 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: attempt to call a table value |
| 03:59.23 | Iriel | also |
| 03:59.29 | Iriel | you can't iterate the table directly |
| 03:59.37 | Iriel | you need for k, v in pairs(tab) |
| 03:59.38 | WobWork | because it's not indexed |
| 03:59.44 | WobWork | oh it is, my mistake |
| 03:59.49 | Hirsute | *facepalm* |
| 03:59.58 | Hirsute | Thank you. |
| 04:00.11 | WobWork | I should stop debugging |
| 04:00.16 | WobWork | I keep getting it wrong =P |
| 04:00.22 | Iriel | WobWork: The 'table' thing was broken too 8-) |
| 04:01.15 | kd3 | whee, memleak in firefox |
| 04:01.22 | kd3 | 2.6g and counting |
| 04:01.30 | Hirsute | Thanks for the help (table was just my quick simplification of the situation, it's not named that in my addon, thankfully) |
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| 04:06.48 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i could send you an xml file and see how long you last with it open in firefox |
| 04:08.34 | kd3 | no thanks. still trying to sort through my history to see which site had the broken js |
| 04:09.09 | Arrowmaster | the last time i opened this 6MB+ xml file it made firefox use more memory than i have physical ram |
| 04:12.44 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected from happening. |
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| 04:31.55 | Thunder_Child | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106262 |
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| 04:48.59 | Cairenn|afk | ZorbaTHut: ping? |
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| 04:50.37 | ZorbaTHut | yo |
| 04:52.45 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: It would be more standardly amusing if they didn't bother trying to fake the jobs |
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| 05:08.31 | Thunder_Child | you dont know that for sure WobWork |
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| 05:09.40 | WobWork | That doesn't matter though |
| 05:10.03 | WobWork | it adds nothing to the joke, except makes the author sound desperate that "zomg these are real people REALLY" |
| 05:10.37 | WobWork | And I've read all those stories before, and the jobs were all different =P |
| 05:10.53 | WobWork | And who tells the truth on the interwebs where humour is concerned? |
| 05:11.06 | WobWork | except when it's political, and quite often true =( |
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| 05:20.10 | AnduinLothar | KT MC's both offtanks gg |
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| 05:34.25 | Syzgyn | Lol |
| 05:34.32 | Syzgyn | Thats some bad RNG |
| 05:35.25 | WobWork | or good, if you're KT =) |
| 05:36.18 | AnduinLothar | it's ok tho, walked outa the raid with 3 best in slots |
| 05:37.56 | Syzgyn | Hot |
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| 06:19.57 | NightHawkTheSane | http://themoment.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/the-post-materialist-a-patterns-math-magic/ |
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| 06:33.19 | Syzgyn | Hrm |
| 06:33.31 | Syzgyn | we just had 15 or so people mass gquit and for a guild |
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| 06:47.42 | Tem | form? |
| 06:47.54 | Tem | did they get anyone important? |
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| 06:56.23 | Syzgyn | Nope |
| 06:56.33 | Syzgyn | was all older members and casuals |
| 06:56.54 | Syzgyn | Still, they were good people |
| 06:57.04 | Syzgyn | all leaving without a word, pretty dick |
| 07:02.07 | Cairenn|afk | (2009-01-14 01:47:50) Tem: did they get anyone important? |
| 07:02.07 | Cairenn|afk | (2009-01-14 01:56:19) Syzgyn: Nope |
| 07:02.08 | Cairenn|afk | ^^ maybe the reason they left, if that's the way people viewed them :p |
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| 07:29.00 | Shirik | My rate of coding is starting to scare me |
| 07:29.26 | Shirik | $ wc -l `find wowi/src/ mmoimgr/src/ mmoimgr-services/src/ mmoimgr-zip/ | grep .java$` | grep total |
| 07:29.27 | Shirik | 11757 total |
| 07:29.28 | Elkano | mine hase been so small lately it wouldn't even scare small kids anymore :( |
| 07:30.01 | Shirik | Elkano: Would it make you feel better if I told you that the average aerospace company codes at a rate of 1 line per hour? |
| 07:30.09 | Shirik | Boeing makes it up to 5 lines per hour |
| 07:30.43 | Shirik | those are man-hours of course |
| 07:31.12 | Elkano | well, in professional software development, coding is only a fraction of the time anyways ^^ |
| 07:31.31 | Shirik | and obviously they spend a lot of time doing reviews :) |
| 07:31.36 | Shirik | Can't have planes crashing to the ground |
| 07:32.32 | Elkano | well, not reviews but hardcore verificationmost likely ^^ |
| 07:33.33 | Elkano | but to be honest, I don't want to be part of the software department in such large corparations... sometimes, you are even assigned names for the variables you use which ends up in almost unreadable code :/ |
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| 07:34.19 | Shirik | they're code reviews, Elkano |
| 07:34.22 | Thunder_Child | sexist |
| 07:34.36 | Shirik | I am very familiar with the Boeing software process; one of my professors is a project manager at Boeing |
| 07:34.40 | Shirik | :P |
| 07:34.49 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to have something like a thousand lines in the last week, which is somewhat meaningless because there's both copypaste and learning of new tools. |
| 07:35.27 | ZorbaTHut | there certainly exists a vicinity that my real rate of normal code falls within. That number may even be near it! |
| 07:35.43 | Shirik | well, fisheye's graphs are scaring me |
| 07:35.51 | Shirik | it looks very similar to 2^n |
| 07:36.05 | Shirik | It starts at 1k and is very flat |
| 07:36.08 | Shirik | then shoots up to 6k |
| 07:37.24 | Shirik | this is interesting |
| 07:37.27 | Shirik | does anyone here use netbeans? |
| 07:38.08 | Elkano | I try to avoid Java whereever I can, so no ^^ |
| 07:38.19 | Shirik | eh, I use netbeans for C++ now too :) |
| 07:38.51 | Elkano | I still use either a normal text editor or VC for that |
| 07:39.18 | Shirik | normal text editor as in vim or notepad? |
| 07:40.20 | Shirik | I still have some students that seem to prefer writing code in notepad |
| 07:40.23 | Shirik | I don't know how they deal with it |
| 07:42.19 | Syzgyn | Cairenn|afk: We didn't lose any core raiders, I'm still sad some of them are gone though. But yes that was part of the claimed problem. |
| 07:43.22 | Elkano | in theory, yes ^^ though for lua, I use SciTe |
| 07:45.03 | Arrowmaster | ive tried to switch from scite to a bigger name editor a few times but i keep going back to scite..... |
| 07:45.37 | Arrowmaster | my attempt at gvim has been such a failure too |
| 07:46.33 | Olorin | Elkano does that allow you to check for missing do's and then etc.. also does it allow you to check for global variables? ie ones typod which you intended to be locals |
| 07:46.56 | Arrowmaster | thats what luac is for |
| 07:47.30 | Olorin | luac? |
| 07:47.48 | Arrowmaster | luac.exe |
| 07:47.51 | Olorin | ah |
| 07:48.29 | Elkano | like Arrowmaster said ^^ luac is bound to F7 for me so I just grap its output for GETGLOBAL |
| 07:50.57 | Olorin | thanks , may speed my development somewhat |
| 07:51.10 | Olorin | instead of using wow for that hehe |
| 07:51.30 | Elkano | luac can also help you to trim the code path a bit |
| 07:53.46 | |pez| | I'm pondering starting a druid... Should I bother saving up shards so I can buy Heirloom items to send to it? XD |
| 07:54.45 | Shirik | I have determined I want to get a slide rule |
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| 08:03.09 | WobWork | |pez|: I hear they're uber |
| 08:04.09 | Thunder_Child | i have one Shirik...but i have to read a manual to use the damn thing |
| 08:05.00 | |pez| | WobWork: Yay, now to find out which items is good for.. a druid, and start saving up! |
| 08:05.24 | ZorbaTHut | one problem with druid heirlooms is that you kind of have to pick your spec early :( |
| 08:05.58 | ZorbaTHut | if you think you ever might want to level up a rogue, go catform and pick all the agi/str leather items, I'd say |
| 08:06.11 | WobWork | well levelling up feral is easier |
| 08:06.14 | |pez| | I think I'd like to try out tanking. |
| 08:07.05 | ZorbaTHut | I switched to Moonkin in Outland and found I preferred it quite a bit |
| 08:07.37 | ZorbaTHut | although note that my main is a warrior tank, so I have no interest in another tanking character ;) |
| 08:08.10 | |pez| | Oh, Heirloom shoulders give 10% more exp. |
| 08:08.15 | Olorin | pez got a shaman? |
| 08:08.24 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they're pretty awesome |
| 08:08.31 | |pez| | Olorin: Nope. |
| 08:08.35 | ZorbaTHut | I'm actually holding back on leveling any of my caster alts because I want to pick up some cloth shoulders :P |
| 08:09.48 | Olorin | they seem pretty good, I gave my prot pally a break and started playing one, kinda fun, though i do have a 51 durid that I havnt played for about 6months since i moved from allience to horde |
| 08:09.49 | |pez| | omg, they've got Herods shoulder model as Heirloom |
| 08:11.53 | |pez| | I've never really played anything else than a hunter. |
| 08:12.03 | |pez| | And now that my hunter is 80... I can try something else XD |
| 08:17.14 | Thunder_Child | try another one...cant go wrong with 2 80 hunters |
| 08:18.10 | |pez| | I think people would call me crazy. -__-' |
| 08:18.27 | WobWork | |pez|: oh that looks cool =) |
| 08:19.06 | |pez| | I always loved Herods shoulder |
| 08:19.14 | |pez| | and it made me cwy when I couldn't use it anymore. |
| 08:19.25 | WobWork | and the bow looks -cool- |
| 08:19.44 | WobWork | My god, a low level bow model that actually looks -good- |
| 08:20.41 | |pez| | Awesome :D |
| 08:20.44 | |pez| | I'm still wanting the bow from sunwell. |
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| 08:47.55 | ZorbaTHut | what I wouldn't give for continue |
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| 08:50.34 | mikma | your left testicle |
| 08:50.49 | Olorin | is their a quick way to increment a variable in Lua? |
| 08:51.21 | Syzgyn | a = a + 1 |
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| 08:52.10 | Olorin | thanks but i meant alike a = ++ or whatever it was in c, guess its my fualt for using long var names |
| 08:53.25 | Syzgyn | nope |
| 08:53.53 | Syzgyn | I usually prefer more descriptive var names, even if they do take longer to type out |
| 08:54.03 | Syzgyn | if it keeps your code more readable, it's well worth it. |
| 08:54.14 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7838-NeonChat.html#comments <- haha |
| 08:54.34 | Syzgyn | lawl |
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| 09:36.16 | Olorin | hmm wondering if blizzy has nerfed drop rate on titanum got 11 stacks of damn saronite now and 3 titanium ore :/ |
| 09:36.21 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12005-LegendaryUI.html |
| 09:36.25 | mikma | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarggggh! |
| 09:38.02 | Olorin | what? they used your addon without asking? |
| 09:38.13 | mikma | the name :I |
| 09:38.44 | mikma | sometimes i just wanna poke wowi admins in the eye because they allow compilations |
| 09:39.17 | Olorin | its stupid cause its out of date so fast |
| 09:39.45 | mikma | and the fact it has addons bunched in a package, and they usually don't work nicely when you extract the package |
| 09:39.53 | mikma | you need to position them, configure them... |
| 09:40.37 | Olorin | most annoyingly is when people claim they have latest version when reporting bugs |
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| 09:42.11 | Olorin | hmm wonder if its worth emailing freenetnode about this nick, supposidly its registered but got feeling its mine that I used ages ago, dont want to publish any addons then have to change nick |
| 09:42.56 | mikma | just do /nick Lolorin |
| 09:43.00 | mikma | then you're fine |
| 09:43.14 | Mike-N-Go | Whoot! I solved my 'WoW makes the typing in other apps lag' problem. |
| 09:43.16 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.39 | Mike-N-Go | That sets the max fps when wow is not in the foreground to one. |
| 09:44.09 | mikma | linux? windows? |
| 09:44.22 | Mike-N-Go | mac. |
| 09:44.43 | Olorin | ah was gonna say i thought it did that in windows mode anyway... not certain though |
| 09:45.29 | Ian_corne | wow, the armory (eu) is sloooow today |
| 09:45.56 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12142-Bi.html <- i wonder when this will be blocked |
| 09:46.13 | Mike-N-Go | It is a real problem with about a dozen letters in the password and trying to type them all in. Took like 80 seconds for it to register and update the frame. Talking about logging into my Mac account, not onto wow. |
| 09:46.34 | Mike-N-Go | s/register/register each keypress/ |
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| 09:46.55 | Mike-N-Go | Err, to register all the key presses. |
| 09:47.58 | Olison | Mike-N-Go: so the behaviour is systemwide? |
| 09:48.29 | Olorin | well if your stupid enough to run that on your system then ya deserve to have items deleted etc.. |
| 09:48.45 | Mike-N-Go | Stupid to run what? WoW? |
| 09:48.52 | Olorin | no that addon |
| 09:48.56 | Olison | Wait, nvm, you fixed is already |
| 09:49.11 | Spellbinder | ~ |
| 09:49.34 | Mike-N-Go | When WoW is on, most everyother keyboard input lags. |
| 09:50.32 | Mike-N-Go | Fixed with background fps set to 1 |
| 09:51.21 | Mike-N-Go | Bi does look useful for multiboxing. |
| 09:51.52 | rapidgame | i assume when alt-tabbed the fps has no impact on performance? |
| 09:52.08 | Olorin | yes it would be i guess but needs a authorised list of players to accept ocmmands from |
| 09:52.46 | Mike-N-Go | Olison: "This addon allows you to send lua scripts to be executed on another player's client, and vice versa. You must explicitly allow another player to send you scripts, but do so very carefully, because allowing them will give them access to your entire UI!" from the desc. |
| 09:53.22 | Mike-N-Go | rapidgame: Performance of what? WoW? Everything else? What yah asking? |
| 09:54.02 | rapidgame | general performance of the computer, so when im alt tabbed, will the fps of wow not affect me using other programs? |
| 09:54.40 | Olorin | sorry mike i missed that part, running about mining atm lol |
| 09:55.11 | Mike-N-Go | It frees up system res. to not have to update WoW at the max FPS, so yes. |
| 09:58.01 | rapidgame | thanks, i might try entering that command in, see if i see a difference :-) |
| 10:03.29 | Mike-N-Go | For example. WoW in the background for me running at 1 FPS is ~10 % CPU, in the forgorund, ~35 % CPU. I have a duel core, each core at 2GHz. |
| 10:04.47 | Mike-N-Go | That is idling in Org with only the addons I am currently making active and debugging addons. |
| 10:07.31 | Mike-N-Go | I also have another problem. After I /rl several times in one session, WOW needs to be restarted because it lags everything; whole system. |
| 10:10.49 | rapidgame | hmm, that hasnt happened to me |
| 10:12.59 | Mike-N-Go | Are you on a Mac? |
| 10:13.21 | rapidgame | naa, maybe thats what it is lol |
| 10:26.39 | Mike-N-Go | Could someone please explain to me what the difference and correlation between OnUpdate and FPS? |
| 10:29.48 | Olorin | Mike as far as I know the OnUpdate is triggered each time the screen is redrawn so they should be an identical number |
| 10:30.33 | Mike-N-Go | I last remember hearing that they were almost the same thing. I was curious what the difference is, other then what they are counting. |
| 10:32.07 | WobWork | http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/web/fair-weather-facebook/2009/01/14/1231608757720.html |
| 10:33.49 | Olorin | wob that sounds a very odd thing for a company to do |
| 10:34.41 | Olison | rofl |
| 10:35.18 | Olorin | ya can imagine it now, screw you bud i want my burger lol |
| 10:36.24 | Mike-N-Go | I ponder why they would do that? |
| 10:36.37 | WobWork | publicity |
| 10:37.23 | WobWork | the people getting cut won't blame Burger King, they'll blame their friend for being greedy =P |
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| 10:39.31 | Mike-N-Go | What is preventing the cutter to reinstate the cuttee after the cutter claims his prize, I wonder too. |
| 10:41.10 | rapidgame | yeah, but they only need to give one voucher |
| 10:41.28 | rapidgame | they aren't going to lose big time lol, and its the price they pay for publicity |
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| 10:42.19 | Mike-N-Go | Probably cheeper then a TV commercial. |
| 10:42.40 | rapidgame | yeah, and it will spread by word of mouth as well |
| 10:55.01 | Mike-N-Go | ~.. |
| 10:55.02 | purl | . |
| 10:55.08 | Mike-N-Go | purl, what is .. |
| 10:55.09 | purl | . |
| 10:55.12 | Mike-N-Go | ... |
| 10:55.45 | Mike-N-Go | What is .. called? Best my spellchecker gives me is condensation. |
| 10:56.46 | Corrodias | what it does in lua is concatenation |
| 10:56.54 | Corrodias | however, the name for two periods i do not know |
| 10:57.14 | Mike-N-Go | Thank you. |
| 10:57.28 | Mike-N-Go | ellipses |
| 10:57.29 | Mike-N-Go | I think |
| 10:57.53 | Corrodias | that's when it's 3 |
| 11:00.11 | Mike-N-Go | ~dict ellipsis |
| 11:00.32 | Corrodias | that seems more like a thesaurus than a dictionary |
| 11:00.44 | Corrodias | although |
| 11:00.55 | Corrodias | i guess i'm not sure what the hell those words have to do with it |
| 11:01.00 | Mike-N-Go | We can call them dots! |
| 11:01.17 | Mike-N-Go | ".. is called the set of two dots." |
| 11:02.06 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 11:02.29 | Corrodias | i snoozed on the couch for 7.5 hours there |
| 11:02.38 | Corrodias | so much for having any fun tonight |
| 11:02.49 | Mike-N-Go | Time must go more slowly where I am at. |
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| 11:03.49 | Corrodias | well, by "there" i mean about 8 hours ago to .5 hours ago |
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| 11:23.46 | Olorin | how do you put a function on a macro /script function() ... end? |
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| 11:26.24 | Olorin | nevermind im loosing the plot |
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| 11:41.35 | mikma | i need some ultimate cooldown counter for spells in actionbars :( |
| 11:41.53 | mikma | omnicc has some weird issues sometimes with dk skills |
| 11:41.55 | rapidgame | is it possible to convert a string into a function, a bit of a wierd question i know lol |
| 11:42.17 | mikma | rapidgame: like... |
| 11:42.35 | mikma | local string = print("Hai, this is my function"); pcall(string) |
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| 11:55.26 | Olorin | how do you get string = " i want my " to actually be here" |
| 11:56.24 | mikma | olorin: "i want my \" to actually be here" |
| 11:56.28 | krka | [[ i want my " to actually be here]] |
| 11:56.37 | krka | ' i want my " to actually be here" |
| 11:56.39 | Kalroth | local string = "print(\"mikma sux!1\");"; pcall(string) |
| 11:57.00 | Kalroth | ' i want my " to actually be here" <- this actually work? |
| 11:57.09 | mikma | oh dear lord, reading wowhead comments is mind opener sometimes |
| 11:57.16 | mikma | "I think you mean Death Pact as there is no way for you to heal yourself using Death Coil unless you use the Frost talent Lichborne." |
| 11:57.18 | krka | oops sorry |
| 11:57.20 | krka | ' i want my " to actually be here' |
| 11:57.27 | Kalroth | Ah :) |
| 11:57.31 | mikma | wtf really, you can deathcoil = heal yourself with lichborne?!? |
| 11:58.05 | Kalroth | mikma: They're not only playing WoW, but they're playing a Death Knight in WoW. Of course they're dumbasses! |
| 11:58.33 | mikma | kalroth: actually, that's something i need to test |
| 11:58.57 | mikma | because if you can deathcoil yourself while under lichborne, that makes the talent uber in pvp |
| 11:59.05 | rapidgame | what i want do do is have a string = "function() do stuff end" and run that string as a function |
| 11:59.41 | mikma | rapidgame: local string = function() do stuff end; pcall(string) |
| 11:59.54 | mikma | might need "", not sure, can't remember. |
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| 12:00.43 | krka | s = "function() do stuff end"; f = loadstring(s); f(); |
| 12:00.58 | krka | though if you have that as a _constant_, you might as well do what mikma said |
| 12:01.09 | Olorin | thanks kalroth |
| 12:01.16 | rapidgame | so will pcall("function() do stuff end") work? |
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| 12:01.54 | rapidgame | loadstring... ahhh! |
| 12:01.56 | mikma | rapidgame: of course not, we like to fool people around with funky not-working code |
| 12:02.08 | mikma | that's why i have told you to use it two times now |
| 12:02.51 | Kalroth | Olorin: wut? :p |
| 12:02.57 | Kalroth | oh |
| 12:03.00 | Kalroth | the quoting |
| 12:03.04 | Olorin | :) |
| 12:03.26 | rapidgame | are you being serious mikma? |
| 12:03.35 | mikma | y so srs? |
| 12:04.05 | rapidgame | i take it your not then, because that code doesnt work |
| 12:06.08 | mikma | local s = print("you suck") |
| 12:06.09 | mikma | pcall(s) |
| 12:06.23 | mikma | [14:06:04] you suck |
| 12:06.26 | mikma | yeah... |
| 12:07.40 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:08.24 | Kalroth | aren't there lua commands in here anyways? |
| 12:08.31 | Kalroth | !lua print("hi") |
| 12:08.31 | batbot | Kalroth: hi |
| 12:08.54 | mikma | lua> print("for me to poop on") |
| 12:08.54 | lua_bot | mikma: for me to poop on |
| 12:09.16 | Kalroth | lua> local s = "print(\"he sucks!\");"; pcall(s); |
| 12:09.16 | lua_bot | Kalroth: No output |
| 12:09.20 | Kalroth | aw |
| 12:09.20 | rapidgame | lua> print("this is it") |
| 12:09.21 | lua_bot | rapidgame: this is it |
| 12:09.46 | rapidgame | and ffs mikma, do you know what you're talking about? local s = "print(you suck)" |
| 12:09.46 | rapidgame | pcall(s) |
| 12:09.51 | rapidgame | does NOT work |
| 12:10.15 | mikma | i just tested it ingame (without the "") and it works |
| 12:10.28 | Kalroth | it's not a string withouth the "" |
| 12:10.47 | rapidgame | * s DUH! |
| 12:11.00 | mikma | then do <1400> <krka> s = "function() do stuff end"; f = loadstring(s); f(); |
| 12:11.01 | rapidgame | anyway, i found out how to do it |
| 12:11.14 | rapidgame | assert(loadstring("print(\"Hello, World!\")")) (); |
| 12:11.24 | rapidgame | yes, and thanks krka |
| 12:11.37 | rapidgame | [01:01] <mikma> rapidgame: of course not, we like to fool people around with funky not-working code |
| 12:11.40 | rapidgame | yes you do ;-) |
| 12:12.19 | Kalroth | lua> krka = "function() print("\krka sux!\"); end"; krka_func = loadstring(krka); krka_func(); |
| 12:12.20 | lua_bot | Kalroth: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '\' |
| 12:12.27 | Kalroth | lua> krka = "function() print(\"krka sux!\"); end"; krka_func = loadstring(krka); krka_func(); |
| 12:12.28 | lua_bot | Kalroth: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'krka_func' (a nil value) |
| 12:12.40 | Kalroth | krka: my code sucks! |
| 12:13.00 | foxlit | yes it does! |
| 12:13.30 | WobWork | [23:12:28] [RL] [Sindorei]: roll on [Dragon Hide Bag] |
| 12:13.31 | WobWork | [23:12:31] Snuusnu rolls 65 (1-100) |
| 12:13.31 | WobWork | [23:12:31] [G] [Candybones]: hey plagueheart |
| 12:13.31 | WobWork | [23:12:31] Ferell rolls 2 (1-100) |
| 12:13.31 | WobWork | [23:12:33] Rakah rolls 3 (1-100) |
| 12:13.31 | WobWork | [23:12:33] Soulless rolls 6 (1-100) |
| 12:13.33 | WobWork | [23:12:34] [R] [Sweendog]: mine? |
| 12:13.35 | WobWork | [23:12:35] [R] [Boomhs]: got |
| 12:13.37 | WobWork | [23:12:35] Sindorei rolls 1 (1-100) |
| 12:13.39 | WobWork | [23:12:36] Grimbash rolls 5 (1-100) |
| 12:13.54 | Kalroth | high rollers! |
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| 12:14.01 | rapidgame | lol |
| 12:14.11 | Kalroth | you're just lacking a 4 |
| 12:14.17 | WobWork | thank god I rolled before the RNG kicked in =P |
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| 12:24.26 | Shirik | I'm having a blonde moment, can someone confirm this for me? |
| 12:25.35 | Shirik | (13/52)(12/51)(11/50)(10/49)(13/48) == (13/52)(13/51)(12/50)(11/49)(10/48), for all combinations of the same numerators and denominators |
| 12:25.55 | Shirik | probably because I just woke up |
| 12:26.51 | selckin | yes |
| 12:27.01 | Ian_corne | ofcource.. |
| 12:27.16 | Ian_corne | :) |
| 12:30.27 | Kalroth | ~failrik |
| 12:30.27 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 12:32.43 | mikma | imho, pretty much perfect: http://wow.reaktio.net/drakeride.txt |
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| 12:51.56 | mikma | !api SendChatMessage |
| 12:51.57 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'SendChatMessage' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage |
| 12:52.12 | mikma | wow-bot is being useful |
| 12:52.19 | mikma | did a /notice and told me how it works |
| 12:55.24 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:55.38 | Kalroth | I wonder if there's a mikma api |
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| 12:57.27 | Kalroth | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1525/ |
| 12:57.53 | mikma | <1451> -WoW-Bot- mikma: SendChatMessage("msg" [,"chatType" [,"language" [,"channel"]]]); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage |
| 12:58.15 | mikma | they could just form that so the bot will announce the way function works in channel and the link with notice or so |
| 13:02.21 | Silberbuechse | iam looking for a was to change the size of my minimap player arrow. is it possible? |
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| 13:06.29 | mikma | silberbuechse: does MinimapArrow:SetScale(1.5) work? |
| 13:06.36 | mikma | and that might not be the correct name |
| 13:07.37 | Silberbuechse | i try it |
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| 13:14.42 | foxlit | Puzzle time: what would "([^{]-)({[^}]+})" match? |
| 13:15.57 | foxlit | lua> ([[some long string with {tags} and {stuff}]]):match("([^{]-)({[^}]+})"); |
| 13:15.58 | lua_bot | foxlit: some long string with , {tags} |
| 13:16.17 | foxlit | Hm, not quite what I thought, but that works :) |
| 13:16.36 | foxlit | apparently it's not completely devoid of greed |
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| 13:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
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| 13:50.54 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/530/ A true geek moment. |
| 13:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | ...doorbell |
| 13:53.44 | |pez| | Anyone here tried Windows 7 yet? |
| 13:54.13 | foxlit | be the first to admit to it, |pez| |
| 13:54.39 | |pez| | I have it, but not installed. :P |
| 13:54.47 | |pez| | I'm wondering if I should install it on my laptop. |
| 13:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | Not if that's your only computing system. |
| 13:55.04 | |pez| | Which has Vista anyway, so it can't be *too* much worse. |
| 13:55.13 | |pez| | It isn't, anymore! |
| 13:55.40 | |pez| | My laptop is suffering under Vista though. |
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| 13:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | If it suffers with Vista, what makes you think that 7 has lower standards? |
| 13:58.01 | |pez| | Cause it's said to have that? XD |
| 13:58.43 | Lopeppeppy | *laughs uproariously at the idea of Windoze that Works* |
| 13:59.53 | |pez| | So far, I only hear good things about Win7 |
| 14:00.05 | |pez| | except that Win Media player can screw up mp3 files. |
| 14:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | SExy. |
| 14:00.37 | |pez| | Doesn't take much to be better than Vista though, btw ;P |
| 14:01.08 | foxlit | I, for one, welcome our new 10.6 overlords |
| 14:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't really had a problem with Vista. I have enough RAM, so it behaves like a docile little girl scout. |
| 14:01.15 | foxlit | clearly, 10.6 > 7 |
| 14:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree, foxlit, and I'm not a mac baby |
| 14:02.36 | foxlit | I dislike PHP |
| 14:03.02 | foxlit | Either that or I'm clueless; I'm writing abominations like: preg_replace('|^/*([^/=][^=]+).*?$|s','$1',$tag) |
| 14:03.15 | foxlit | just because the match function doesn't actually return the match :/ |
| 14:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot replace pregnancy as a route to reproduction. Sorry. |
| 14:03.44 | foxlit | So, this Godot fellow, you know him? |
| 14:03.56 | Lopeppeppy | No, but I'm still waiting. |
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| 14:19.41 | Codayus | foxlit: Hm, um...pass the match function an array to store the matches? |
| 14:19.56 | foxlit | yeah, well, who wants to do that |
| 14:20.31 | foxlit | It is, of course, an entirely valid solution |
| 14:20.35 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 14:20.48 | foxlit | It just prevents me from chaining functions on the same line, and allocates data structures I don't need. |
| 14:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 14:21.03 | Lunessa | Morning. |
| 14:21.16 | Codayus | Ah, yes. |
| 14:21.51 | Codayus | Fair enough. So no, I think the issue is PHP then, not you. :-) |
| 14:23.13 | Lunessa | I have a fever, and the only prescription is ... more cowbell. |
| 14:23.48 | foxlit | I'm trying to write something resembling some sort of tag parser |
| 14:24.09 | Codayus | Hm, the idea of passing an array to store results seems like a fairly terrible idea, frankly... |
| 14:24.28 | foxlit | It works for another use scenario |
| 14:24.39 | foxlit | In a way, it's more like :gmatch than :match |
| 14:25.58 | foxlit | Could be fun to do this using state classes, but it seems like a bit of a design headache :/ |
| 14:26.19 | zenzelezz | <foxlit> just because the match function doesn't actually return the match :/ <--- how do you mean it doesn't return the match? |
| 14:26.36 | foxlit | it returns the number of matches, zenzelezz |
| 14:26.51 | foxlit | It writes the matches themselves to an argument passed by reference. |
| 14:27.27 | zenzelezz | yes; think I've also seen people use undeclared variables as the parameter which is then (I guess) created |
| 14:27.48 | foxlit | yeah, that works |
| 14:27.52 | zenzelezz | but I don't see how that is "not returning the match", you want it only as the actual return value? |
| 14:28.01 | foxlit | I only want the first capture. |
| 14:28.29 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/106290 << there, abominable |
| 14:30.04 | zenzelezz | guess it's a matter of opinion, that doesn't look very bad to me |
| 14:30.13 | zenzelezz | perhaps because I work with legacy PHP4 code at work |
| 14:30.18 | Codayus | Heh |
| 14:31.02 | mikma | oh dear lord i hate some people |
| 14:31.12 | mikma | "you need 3/3 Morbidity if you want to raid with us" |
| 14:31.25 | mikma | so, rather pick 0FPS or not raiding |
| 14:31.26 | Kalroth | l2p! |
| 14:31.27 | foxlit | teehee! |
| 14:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me telling me the details for my spec. See ya. |
| 14:31.42 | foxlit | People actually want you to spam D&D? |
| 14:31.50 | Codayus | heh |
| 14:31.54 | mikma | in sartharion match, they do |
| 14:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | Death and Disconnects! |
| 14:32.03 | mikma | lopeppeppy: bingo! |
| 14:32.08 | Codayus | Well, if it wasn't for the FPS issues, morbidity is a *great* talent... |
| 14:32.14 | foxlit | I has it! |
| 14:32.14 | Codayus | That's a big "if" though. |
| 14:32.15 | mikma | i agree |
| 14:32.25 | Kalroth | Lopeppeppy: I consider educating dumb people a good thing though! |
| 14:32.28 | foxlit | And haven't had any FPS issues with it on two cards :/ |
| 14:32.47 | foxlit | What does it actually cause critical slow downs on? |
| 14:32.55 | mikma | i have alot, my pc sucks balls and other dk's spam it over and over |
| 14:33.10 | Kalroth | foxlit: mikma's Celeron 1.2GHz with 386mb ram! |
| 14:33.16 | mikma | kalroth: ya |
| 14:33.43 | mikma | every time someone pops d&d in a group > 4 my fps drops like hell |
| 14:33.49 | |pez| | Does... WoW work with Windows 7? :o |
| 14:33.53 | foxlit | yes |
| 14:34.05 | foxlit | WoW works with your c64 |
| 14:34.05 | Kalroth | Windows 7 is equal to Windows Vista. |
| 14:34.16 | zenzelezz | but it's unsupported, so if you run into problems you're on your own |
| 14:34.18 | foxlit | WoW runs on WoW, coindicentially |
| 14:34.18 | Codayus | Not sure. It seems widespread, not TOO common, and AFAIK, nobodies figured out the HW/SW combo that causes the issue... |
| 14:34.26 | Kalroth | Put in another way; Windows 7 is to Windows Vista what Windows XP is to Windows 2000. :) |
| 14:35.02 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EZGxxthcdRhoVosx0gM |
| 14:35.06 | |pez| | lol |
| 14:35.13 | mikma | now where in the hell can i find 3 talents for the 3/3 0FPS |
| 14:35.26 | foxlit | bladed armor |
| 14:36.20 | mikma | 0/5 or 2/5 for bladed |
| 14:36.28 | Codayus | Hm, Unholy Command is kinda meh...except you said they want Morbidity for Sarth, and that's one of the few times it's actually useful... Hm. Yeah, bladed armor. |
| 14:36.41 | foxlit | depends. 2H? |
| 14:36.50 | mikma | 2h yah |
| 14:36.52 | foxlit | You might drop it entirely and go for the crit. |
| 14:36.59 | foxlit | except it's no longer crit |
| 14:37.06 | foxlit | 2H spec |
| 14:37.21 | foxlit | +4% damage seems better than the AP bonus from armor? |
| 14:37.24 | mikma | yeah. it's just 4% increased damage for autoattacks(?) |
| 14:37.35 | foxlit | [citation needed] |
| 14:37.56 | foxlit | I read it as 4% on every attack that involves swinging your 2H weapon |
| 14:38.09 | mikma | "This talent affects anything where you actually hit with your weapon, rather than just auto-attacks, so basically any offensive action you cannot perform while disarmed should benefit." |
| 14:38.14 | mikma | wowhead comment |
| 14:38.36 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0xMZGxxthcdRhoVosxcgM seems nice |
| 14:39.19 | Codayus | Um, I'm pretty sure Bladed Armor is a lot more TPS than 2h spec per talent point. Let me check... |
| 14:40.03 | foxlit | 2/5 gives 222 AP from 20k armor |
| 14:40.44 | mikma | the funnt thing is, i rarely need the reduced cd on D&D |
| 14:40.54 | foxlit | i.e. increases base DPS by 15 |
| 14:41.12 | mikma | but the 15% increased dc healing is nice if you macro lichborne and deathcoil |
| 14:41.31 | foxlit | With something moderately slow, that's like +60 damage on your swings |
| 14:41.45 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/13/funny-pictures-eliminate-ur-carbon-footprint/ |
| 14:41.53 | zenzelezz | also http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/13/funny-pictures-disturbed-by-the-loose-thread/ |
| 14:42.28 | mikma | hmm... |
| 14:42.39 | mikma | after 3.0.8 i can just get 3/3 out of Rime |
| 14:43.40 | mikma | or, 2 points because other spells require the amount used |
| 14:43.56 | Industrial | np, even |
| 14:43.57 | mikma | haven't seen Rime proccing that much while tanking |
| 14:44.16 | mikma | neither Obliterate critting |
| 14:44.41 | foxlit | 15%? |
| 14:44.50 | foxlit | You really should've, unless you're busy using howling blast |
| 14:45.26 | mikma | usually i use it everytime it's out of cd and diseases have being spread |
| 14:47.37 | Codayus | Nevermind, 2h spec should be better than bladed armor. I was confused, as usual. :-) |
| 14:48.12 | mikma | codayus: are you sure? |
| 14:49.44 | Olorin | how much memory does an empty variable entry use? i |
| 14:51.02 | Olorin | actually thats not quite right how much memory does an empty array take? |
| 14:52.10 | zenzelezz | in lua? |
| 14:52.22 | foxlit | almost nothing |
| 14:53.08 | zenzelezz | I don't actually know, but I would guess the size of a pointer, perhaps slightly more if it needs extra info about it |
| 14:53.10 | WobWork | I can't believe how dependant I am on dottimer |
| 14:53.15 | foxlit | lua> s = collectgarbate("count"); t = {}; print(collectgarbage("count")-s); |
| 14:53.15 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'collectgarbate' (a nil value) |
| 14:53.17 | Lunessa | Holy shit. Someone necro'ed a year-old thread about FPS. *facepalm* |
| 14:53.22 | foxlit | lua> s = collectgarbage("count"); t = {}; print(collectgarbage("count")-s); |
| 14:53.23 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.03125 |
| 14:53.29 | Olorin | almost? hmm how almost? im thinking of very large array |
| 14:53.31 | foxlit | lua> s = collectgarbage("count"); t = {}; print(collectgarbage("count")-s)*1024; |
| 14:53.32 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '*' |
| 14:53.34 | WobWork | I turned it off accidentally, and had a terrible time checking if my diseases were spread properly =\ |
| 14:53.43 | foxlit | lua> s = collectgarbage("count"); t = {}; print((collectgarbage("count")-s)*1024); |
| 14:53.43 | lua_bot | foxlit: 32 |
| 14:53.45 | WobWork | esp with more than one DK in the group |
| 14:53.54 | krka | i get 30 KB for 1000 tables |
| 14:54.27 | Olorin | thanks kindly so 32 bytes per according to that foxlit? |
| 14:54.37 | Olorin | thanks krka |
| 14:54.51 | zenzelezz | you know Wobin, most people don't speak openly about their diseases, let alone about spreading them |
| 14:54.52 | foxlit | I might be counting s |
| 14:55.03 | foxlit | lua> s = collectgarbage("count"); print((collectgarbage("count")-s)*1024); |
| 14:55.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0 |
| 14:55.05 | WobWork | zenzelezz: welcome to the world of Deathknights |
| 14:55.07 | foxlit | or not |
| 14:55.28 | Codayus | mikma: Nope, changed my mind again. Bladed Armor > 2h spec > subversion. |
| 14:55.32 | foxlit | I take your frost fever and raise you to blood plague |
| 14:55.44 | Codayus | Silly spreadsheets. *mutter* |
| 14:55.59 | foxlit | subversion's point isn't a DPS increase but a threat decrease :) |
| 14:56.09 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 14:56.12 | foxlit | The bonus crit % is just there so that the idiots don't make tanks' lives stressful |
| 14:56.25 | WobWork | it's like a shiny button |
| 14:56.28 | Codayus | foxlit: It's not a bad TPS increase. Well, it's not terrible, anyhow. |
| 14:56.33 | WobWork | It entices the dim dps to take it =) |
| 14:56.33 | mikma | codayus: lol |
| 14:56.44 | krka | lua> do collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 3 do collectgarbage"collect" end local t1 = collectgarbage"count" for i = 1, 1000 do local _ = {} end local t2 = collectgarbage"count" print(t2 - t1) end collectgarbage"restart" |
| 14:56.45 | lua_bot | krka: 31.25 |
| 14:56.48 | zenzelezz | I'm still surprised how much awesome they put into the warrior protection tree in 3.0, you could put all your points there and still be happy |
| 14:56.58 | mikma | yeah i don't want threat decrease :D i want to keep the threat or improve it |
| 14:57.11 | krka | so yeah, 32 bytes per table |
| 14:57.13 | WobWork | I quite enjoy frost |
| 14:57.16 | WobWork | it's great for tanking |
| 14:57.18 | WobWork | and does decent dps |
| 14:57.22 | mikma | wobwork: <3 |
| 14:57.31 | Codayus | Mmm, subversion is a threat INCREASE. Or it is, if you don't give up points in something better to get it. |
| 14:57.34 | mikma | and btw, subversion reduces threat in blood presence |
| 14:57.34 | krka | lua> do collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 3 do collectgarbage"collect" end local t1 = collectgarbage"count" for i = 1, 1000 do local _ = {} end local t2 = collectgarbage"count" print((t2 - t1) * 1024 / 1000) end collectgarbage"restart"~ |
| 14:57.35 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '~' |
| 14:57.38 | krka | lua> do collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 3 do collectgarbage"collect" end local t1 = collectgarbage"count" for i = 1, 1000 do local _ = {} end local t2 = collectgarbage"count" print((t2 - t1) * 1024 / 1000) end collectgarbage"restart" |
| 14:57.39 | WobWork | double obliterate crits are pretty to watch |
| 14:57.39 | lua_bot | krka: 32 |
| 14:57.51 | krka | weird, on my own lua i get 28.736 bytes per table |
| 14:58.00 | mikma | dk tanks also need the 5/5 bladed barrier |
| 14:58.05 | WobWork | yus |
| 14:58.19 | Olorin | cool thanks :) just wanted to make sure if I ever get my head around this silly expanding menu system i can actually do what i wanted without neediing to break it down into segments |
| 14:58.29 | WobWork | any tank that turns down a nondiminished 10% parry is silly |
| 14:59.03 | Codayus | zenzelezz: Yeah, warrior prot tree is amazing. Especially if you spec into deep wounds as well. Crazy fun. |
| 14:59.22 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jcxMZGxxthcdMhoVosxcg |
| 14:59.45 | mikma | it lacks improved icy talons, screw the party haha |
| 15:00.25 | foxlit | windfury totems > you |
| 15:00.31 | mikma | amen |
| 15:01.04 | zenzelezz | Codayus: the problem with Deep Wounds is choosing what 5 points to take besides the parry |
| 15:01.14 | Ian_corne | err, totem of wrath > windfury totem! |
| 15:01.23 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.46 | Ian_corne | evil! |
| 15:02.08 | WobWork | what's wrong with totem of wrath -and- windfury totem? |
| 15:02.51 | nevcairiel | no imp wf if you have wrath |
| 15:02.54 | mikma | actually, the latest build i linked is the one i might go with today |
| 15:03.08 | mikma | screw the party + haste buff |
| 15:03.11 | Codayus | zenzelezz: I'd go for imp HS and imp charge. Charge <3. |
| 15:03.25 | Codayus | mikma: Um, subversion and 2h spec over bladed armor? |
| 15:03.40 | mikma | codayus: for tanking, sure |
| 15:04.47 | mikma | or on the other hand... the armor is huge in frost presence |
| 15:04.48 | Codayus | In terms of TPS per talent point, I think subversion is worst, and bladed armor is best... |
| 15:04.59 | zenzelezz | Codayus: I think I'd go with Iron Will and Improved Charge; unless you end up DPSing a lot then you should be using Revenge all the time, and I assume most warrior tanks have the free-HS-on-Revenge glyph |
| 15:05.10 | mikma | codayus: but, subversion reduces threat in blood presence only |
| 15:05.26 | mikma | blood+unholy |
| 15:05.42 | Codayus | mikma: Right. So it's 3% crit per talent point to a core skill. That's...nice. |
| 15:06.02 | mikma | and with obliterate glyph... nom |
| 15:06.27 | foxlit | Why did they bother with the Storm Giants in HF? |
| 15:06.34 | mikma | but hmmm. thing i need to check is that what's the thing that boosts rune strike |
| 15:06.46 | WobWork | foxlit: no idea =P |
| 15:06.47 | Codayus | And you oblit crits hit like a truck, so it's really not bad...but it's still the worst of the 3 I believe. |
| 15:07.05 | Thrae | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/37086?t51hb&hpg1=mp <-- someone emailed me this post saying "Wow, I'm excited about Windows 7," but this post just makes my brain hurt. Windows 7 is better then Linux because Windows 7 is better then Vista? Wha? |
| 15:07.39 | mikma | well apparently rune strike doesn't care about +AP |
| 15:07.41 | WobWork | mikma: the glyph http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43827 ? |
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| 15:07.56 | WobWork | oh wait |
| 15:07.58 | WobWork | that's deathstrike |
| 15:08.27 | mikma | aaand obliterate doesn't care about +ap either :O |
| 15:08.35 | Codayus | Assume 35% crit chance on oblit...1 point in subversion makes obliterate hit um...about 3% harder, on average (also blood strike, but meh). 2h weapon spec makes oblit (and a bunch else, including rune strike) hit 2% harder per point. |
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| 15:09.33 | Codayus | But you'll never do enough damage with oblit to amke subersion > 2h spec. And bladed armor is better than BOTH, so... |
| 15:10.02 | foxlit | how are you comparing it? |
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| 15:14.19 | foxlit | # I am the Walrus, Fat Bottomed Girls, Yellow Submarine... what does this mean? |
| 15:14.58 | Lunessa | I found a vehicle/unit function that doesn't appear on WoWWiki. I feel so special. |
| 15:15.10 | foxlit | quick, fix it! |
| 15:15.19 | Lunessa | Heh. |
| 15:15.27 | Lunessa | Got to remember my wiki login. |
| 15:16.08 | Elkano | which one? PimpMyRide() ? |
| 15:17.00 | Lunessa | UnitHasVehicle("unit") |
| 15:17.44 | Lunessa | But if PimpMyRide() gets added, I'll write an AddOn to use it. |
| 15:18.32 | Elkano | reminds me of yesterdays Explosm ^^ |
| 15:18.45 | Tewan | I read that wrong |
| 15:18.47 | Tewan | very wrong |
| 15:18.54 | Elkano | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1526/ |
| 15:18.55 | Tewan | I read "reminds me of yesterdays orgasm" |
| 15:19.28 | Elkano | na, Tewan, wouldn't work, I can only remember the last 5 :/ |
| 15:19.35 | Tewan | heh |
| 15:21.07 | Xinhuan | Elkano, did you mean UnitHasVehicleUI() |
| 15:21.13 | Xinhuan | because UnitHasVehicle is probably nil |
| 15:21.29 | Elkano | why do you ask me? |
| 15:21.29 | Lunessa | Yeah, my bad. Should have copy/pasted. |
| 15:22.15 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 15:22.18 | |pez| | Ooh, snap, I did not know the jewels I need to get higher skill in JC requires Alchemy :o |
| 15:22.19 | Xinhuan | well i just woke up |
| 15:22.20 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 15:22.44 | foxlit | cute. The turtles are powered by a carrot on a stick |
| 15:23.36 | foxlit | hah, killed a fisherman mob using a fishing pole. |
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| 15:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet revenge, foxlit. |
| 15:28.53 | Lopeppeppy | And yeah, I enjoy the walrus villages. :) |
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| 15:34.49 | Shirik | just bought the book for my graduate class |
| 15:34.51 | Shirik | 1638 pages :( |
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| 15:35.47 | zenzelezz | meh, that's not even half of the Night's Dawn trilogy |
| 15:36.09 | Shirik | you don't have to read the night's dawn trilogy in 4 months, remembering every detail :P |
| 15:36.23 | zenzelezz | but you should |
| 15:37.59 | Tewan | caffeine doesn't do shit for me... :( |
| 15:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... many highlighters. *hug* |
| 15:39.35 | foxlit | Rule 54: amount of text you actually read in a book is inversely proportional to the book's total volume. |
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| 15:40.17 | Elkano | hiho Seerah :) |
| 15:41.34 | Shirik | foxlit: Professor already stated we will be going through the overwhelming majority of it, as well as some material not covered in the book |
| 15:42.38 | foxlit | Rule 54 remains in play :) |
| 15:43.14 | foxlit | As it operates on reality rather than anyone's plan for the amount of actual work you'll be doing :) |
| 15:43.16 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik is a very dedicated student. Him's gonna be someone someday. |
| 15:43.42 | Shirik | amusingly, a lot of this class is about developing plans, foxlit :P |
| 15:43.48 | Shirik | "Quality Software Project Management" |
| 15:44.09 | Shirik | of course |
| 15:44.21 | foxlit | as opposed to "Crappy Software Project Management" |
| 15:44.29 | Shirik | one of the first sentences in the book states that a plan can only ever be perfect at the end of the project |
| 15:44.40 | Shirik | no foxlit, software project management with regards to software quality.... |
| 15:44.41 | Shirik | ~lart foxlit |
| 15:44.41 | purl | chops foxlit in half with a free AOL CD |
| 15:45.26 | foxlit | As in, software project management that produces software of crappy quality? |
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| 15:49.19 | foxlit | Phrased a little more seriously, can you really conceive of a project management style that does not include considerations about the quality of the finished product? |
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| 15:53.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yes... sadly I can. |
| 15:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | It focuses exclusively on deadines. |
| 15:55.56 | alestane | To be fair, there is usually a consideration about the quality of the product, but that requirement is "It should exist." |
| 15:56.34 | zenzelezz | doesn't apply to pyramid schemes though |
| 15:59.26 | nevcairiel | i wonder how people really fall for a pyramid scheme |
| 15:59.29 | nevcairiel | they are so obvious |
| 15:59.36 | Lunessa | Developing software is like building a house out of playing cards. Tricky, error-prone and fragile. |
| 15:59.39 | mikma | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0055000000000000000000000003250505130032102301005101350035200000000000000000000000000&glyph=121315010405 |
| 16:00.06 | mikma | i have that now. i wish it's good :) |
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| 16:04.52 | Seerah | morning, Elkano :) |
| 16:05.14 | Elkano | Seerah, any chance to get raw HP numbers in TipTop? |
| 16:05.37 | Seerah | did you see my response to your feature request? |
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| 16:10.05 | mikma | maybe i should test tiptop too, in case it beats tinytip (lol) |
| 16:12.12 | Elkano | Seerah, actualy no since it wasn't listed on the page I saw and thus I thought it got lost during submission ^^ |
| 16:12.23 | Seerah | >.< |
| 16:12.38 | Thrae | mikma: I would love for something to be better in every way then TinyTip, so people can stop pestering me to update TinyTip. It's basically Public Domain, anyone could have taken it over. But I guess I made it too complicated... |
| 16:12.57 | Elkano | but yeah, now I see |
| 16:13.13 | Thrae | I think it's because I coded events by hand instead of using Ace3Event3RockConfigurator. |
| 16:13.20 | Seerah | Elkano: okies :) |
| 16:13.44 | Elkano | ah, ok, it's due to wowi's sorting on that is kind of strange ^^ |
| 16:15.53 | Seerah | yeah, eventually the portal system will get a makeover. it's been on the to-do list for a long time, just other stuff has taken precedence |
| 16:16.50 | Lunessa | <3 TipTop |
| 16:17.10 | mikma | thrae: well, apparently tinytip still owns others ;) |
| 16:20.23 | Lunessa | Today is "Hight Priestess of Thaurissan" - 'You will not harm Emperor Thaurissan!' |
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| 16:22.40 | Seerah | Lunessa: hubby is slacking on his calendar - he's still on Baron Kazum (12th) |
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| 16:26.01 | Lunessa | Seerah: Well, starting next Monday I start working mid-shifts again, and I'll be slacking until noon. :P |
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| 16:30.54 | Lunessa |  You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or Allow. |
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| 16:43.37 | Anaral | When did Hirsute become Seerah? |
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| 16:43.48 | Seerah | ??? |
| 16:44.28 | Anaral | Hirsute hit cancel. |
| 16:44.40 | Hirsute | No sad realizations today. |
| 16:44.41 | Anaral | I thought the comment was aimed at you. |
| 16:45.25 | Seerah | I didn't write that - Lunessa did :P |
| 16:45.29 | Anaral | Oh. Carryon then. |
| 16:45.44 | Anaral | I know but the comment before was Lunessa talking to you. |
| 16:45.52 | Hirsute | (Carryon is the name of one of my alts) Must have been aimed at me. |
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| 16:45.58 | Lunessa | Random, non-sequitur, strange, Lunessa. |
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| 16:49.21 | Anaral | Lol |
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| 17:03.51 | Tem | Syzgyn, Cairenn|afk, by "someone important" I meant people who are in every raid and you would have to recruit to replace. Like the main tank or a reliable healer |
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| 17:07.34 | cog|work | :( forums still think i'm 77 |
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| 17:15.16 | Seerah | cog|work: select a different character and then go back to the other |
| 17:15.33 | Seerah | (at least that used to work) |
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| 17:17.36 | cog|work | just going to the selection screen would work, but it isn't for me today |
| 17:22.02 | cog|work | armory's wrong too... possibly related? |
| 17:22.13 | zenzelezz | no wai |
| 17:22.47 | cog|work | that's weird... http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=cogwheel&searchType=all says i'm 77, but going to my sheet it says i'm 80... |
| 17:24.04 | Seerah | possibly related then |
| 17:24.12 | Seerah | how long have you been 80 now? |
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| 17:27.37 | cog|work | hmm... it was ~2am on either monday or tuesday. |
| 17:28.50 | Seerah | eh, give it a couple days.... /shrug |
| 17:29.19 | cog|work | figured the maintenance would've poked it along |
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| 17:33.13 | foxlit | The nightmare continues: http://pastey.net/106308 |
| 17:33.20 | foxlit | [unrelated php warning] |
| 17:33.42 | cog|work | warning came to late. |
| 17:33.45 | cog|work | /asplode |
| 17:34.34 | foxlit | pastey needs a better PHP highlighter |
| 17:34.37 | foxlit | everything is blue :/ |
| 17:35.55 | cog|work | blue's fine. lern2highfrequencyendofthevisiblespectrum |
| 17:36.44 | cog|work | i think the pink is worse |
| 17:37.02 | foxlit | highlighting language keywords, built-in function names and my variable names in the same color isn't a good idea |
| 17:37.08 | cog|work | the blue, pink, black and white reminds me of ye olde CGA |
| 17:37.26 | foxlit | Dollar sign always looks out of place, too. |
| 17:37.38 | foxlit | since it's a different color than the rest of the variable name |
| 17:37.49 | cog|work | it's not considered an operator? |
| 17:38.01 | foxlit | In some fashion |
| 17:38.43 | foxlit | I mean, you could do |
| 17:38.49 | foxlit | $$var, and that'd mean something special |
| 17:39.11 | foxlit | $var, however, is a plain variable name. |
| 17:39.54 | nevcairiel | stupid php and variable prefixes |
| 17:40.19 | cog|work | stupid <insert language of choice> and variable <pre|suff>ixes imo |
| 17:40.34 | nevcairiel | i cant think of any other language right now |
| 17:40.35 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 17:40.38 | cog|work | basic used to |
| 17:40.43 | foxlit | s/(stupid).+/$1/ |
| 17:41.03 | Cairenn|afk | ~weather cyow |
| 17:41.22 | cog|work | Cairenn|afk: fishing for pity? |
| 17:41.23 | cog|work | ;) |
| 17:41.36 | Cairenn|afk | no, responding to a conversation with Dolby |
| 17:41.49 | foxlit | Dolby must be a phased character |
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| 17:45.32 | cog|work | ~weather ksts |
| 17:46.09 | Cairenn|afk | hate |
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| 17:47.10 | cog|work | i would gladly trade our summers for your winters |
| 17:47.17 | Cairenn|afk | deal! |
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| 17:50.26 | alestane | Anyone besides me remember a MacSoft game called Troubled SOuls from about 15 years ago? |
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| 18:25.34 | Lunessa | alestane: vaguely. |
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| 18:26.02 | Lunessa | wasn't it a port of an older amiga game? |
| 18:26.17 | alestane | I was amazed that I actually saved the installer files, but I couldn't get the installer to work (error -43, file not found). Hurray for abandonware sites! |
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| 18:26.55 | alestane | Lunessa: Maybe, although I think it may have been a restyling as well. The few references I found trying to dig it up said nothing an Amiga history. |
| 18:27.13 | Lunessa | Then it might not be the game I'm thinking about. |
| 18:27.22 | alestane | But MacSoft is mostly in the business of ports, and who knows, since they don't even list the game on their site anymore. |
| 18:28.47 | Lunessa | I played the hell out of their port of CIV II |
| 18:30.33 | alestane | They still appear to be fairly active in the business of Mac ports. |
| 18:33.02 | alestane | Troubled Souls is this creepy Giger-esque puzzle game with spooky, addictive background music, where you try to complete circuits out of tubing, some of which is decorated with disembodied body parts, which can't be mixed in a single circuit. Periodically a skull clears the board, gives you a harder level, and asks things like "Must thou play so well?" or "Thou has superior intellect - Click to Continue, Mortal." |
| 18:35.01 | Lunessa | Yeah, not the game I was thinking of at all. |
| 18:35.32 | alestane | It's one of those games that can magically transport me five or six hours into the future. |
| 18:35.59 | Kirov | Is it a DS game? |
| 18:36.21 | Kirov | Because that sounds like a perfect airplane game |
| 18:36.22 | cog|work | 09:50 <+alestane> Anyone besides me remember a MacSoft game called Troubled SOuls from about 15 years ago? |
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| 18:36.27 | Kirov | pah |
| 18:36.37 | cog|work | soon followed by |
| 18:36.39 | alestane | Kirov: Mac only I'm afraid. |
| 18:36.46 | cog|work | 09:57 -!- Kirov [n=Kirov@c-98-232-98-218.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #wowuidev |
| 18:37.06 | zenzelezz | 7 seconds away from making the Patchwerk achievement on heroic... with two melee who decided to die at the start :-| |
| 18:37.46 | selckin | so wipe and try again |
| 18:38.00 | zenzelezz | he's dead |
| 18:38.32 | selckin | can't even fail right |
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| 18:39.21 | zenzelezz | not my call, I'm just a tank =) Leaders didn't find it worth it to wipe I guess |
| 18:39.35 | selckin | oops, was that my /sit button |
| 18:39.54 | zenzelezz | I'm not that sort of person |
| 18:40.51 | foxlit | The very fact that you have a /sit button! |
| 18:41.24 | zenzelezz | I call it "x" |
| 18:42.06 | foxlit | It's one of those things that shouldn't be bound, ever. :) |
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| 18:42.24 | foxlit | (then again, you'd have to try hard to hit it randomly) |
| 18:44.16 | mikma | is disease cleansing totem raid-wide? |
| 18:44.21 | durcyn | party |
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| 18:44.51 | foxlit | that sort of sucks :/ |
| 18:48.22 | Lunessa | Rock and Roll ain't noise pollution. |
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| 18:48.43 | Kirov | It can be |
| 18:49.07 | Kirov | Chirping birds can be noise pollution if there's enough of the fuckers |
| 18:50.05 | Kirov | Though I guess for some people their definition of noise pollution is anything that isn't silence or KennyG |
| 18:51.34 | Lunessa | Haha... A little "Danger Zone" on loops would be noise pollution I suppose. |
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| 19:00.00 | Shirik | damn it |
| 19:00.03 | Shirik | I killed the president |
| 19:00.07 | Shirik | screw that level |
| 19:00.26 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk: ping |
| 19:00.34 | Cairenn|afk | Shirik: pong |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 19:00.53 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.01 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 19:01.05 | Fisker- | fufu |
| 19:01.31 | Cairenn|afk | do not taunt happy fun ball |
| 19:01.52 | Fisker- | Microsoft should learn2LiveMesh |
| 19:01.59 | Fisker- | It's counterintuitive! |
| 19:02.11 | Fisker- | "O hai you can sync shit between your devices" |
| 19:02.19 | Fisker- | "Hey that's pretty awesome, let me just install this" |
| 19:02.53 | Fisker- | "Hey fuck you, you got a proxy, and while you can do everything over the web instead, we wanted to be retards and make the application itself use ports 30000 through 40000" |
| 19:03.14 | Fisker- | Greatest idea ever |
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| 19:07.02 | Shirik | Microsoft always has great ideas |
| 19:07.36 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:08.16 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | It's so cold out, I saw the Tax man with his hands in his own pockets! |
| 19:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 19:09.14 | zenzelezz | lol Cairenn |
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| 19:11.45 | AckisWork | anyone here able to tell me why you don't have mining show up in your spellbook? http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6878/miningxt1.png |
| 19:12.02 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 19:12.20 | selckin | AckisWork: it doesn't exist |
| 19:12.35 | AckisWork | selckin: it does on my hunter though |
| 19:12.43 | selckin | doh, guessed wrong :( |
| 19:12.47 | AckisWork | heh |
| 19:12.59 | AckisWork | plus the screenshot shows that you learn the ability mining |
| 19:13.02 | zenzelezz | there is no "Mining", there's "Smelting" and "Find Minerals" |
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| 19:13.28 | AckisWork | mining = the spell that gets the ore |
| 19:13.59 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29550 |
| 19:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | Me, a name i call myself. |
| 19:14.09 | Adys | can someone on live give me a screenshot of the tooltip of this item? |
| 19:16.04 | selckin | you don't have wow? |
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| 19:17.23 | Thunder_Child | Fa, a long long way to run. |
| 19:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | So, a needle pulling thread. |
| 19:17.38 | Lopeppeppy | La, something the sheeple said. |
| 19:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | Tea, no thanks I'm having beer! |
| 19:17.46 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 19:17.50 | Lopeppeppy | Which will leave me with no dough! |
| 19:18.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: http://www.asylumsw.com/misc/tome.png |
| 19:18.45 | selckin | NightHawkTheSane: what gbank mod is that? |
| 19:19.04 | NightHawkTheSane | selckin: BankItems |
| 19:19.10 | selckin | thanks |
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| 19:22.57 | Shirik | This is.... pretty awesome |
| 19:23.06 | Shirik | We have both a "Frost advisory" and a "Fire weather watch" in effect |
| 19:23.26 | Shirik | and it's 65 |
| 19:23.42 | kd3 | wha? |
| 19:23.49 | kd3 | all hail florida, I guess |
| 19:23.57 | Shirik | http://www.weather.com/weather/local/32114?lswe=32114&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&from=searchbox_localwx |
| 19:23.59 | Thunder_Child | bad news Shirik, "Frost advisory" + "Fire weather watch" = storm |
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| 19:28.34 | foxlit | So, the monster lives: http://www.go-hero.net/tag |
| 19:29.00 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1527/ |
| 19:29.04 | Tekkub | NSFP |
| 19:32.35 | Shirik | NSFP? |
| 19:32.41 | Shirik | is that like NSFS? |
| 19:32.48 | foxlit | not safe for porn? |
| 19:38.11 | Cairenn|afk | prudes? |
| 19:39.18 | Lopeppeppy | Poodles. |
| 19:40.51 | Hirsute | People |
| 19:42.15 | Tekkub | Cairenn|afk got it |
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| 19:44.24 | procule | howdy |
| 19:45.17 | Spellbinder | \p/ |
| 19:45.44 | kd3 | ...hate "childproofed" medication tablets that are so difficult to get in to that they're adultproofed too... |
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| 19:46.02 | procule | like the lighters |
| 19:46.19 | procule | in winter |
| 19:47.53 | procule | just a little question, /script is actual LUA ? |
| 19:47.58 | krka | procule: Lua is not an acronym. ^_^ |
| 19:48.18 | kd3 | yes |
| 19:48.27 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.40 | Hirsute | ^^ |
| 19:49.13 | procule | so i can put in a macro /script if (dofunction() == 1) then /cast fu |
| 19:49.18 | kd3 | no |
| 19:49.56 | procule | why? |
| 19:49.56 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.41 | Hirsute | and /cast isn't valid Lua code. |
| 19:50.41 | Dewin | And the commands that handle spellcasting can only be called under very specific circumstances to avoid abuse. |
| 19:51.07 | Hirsute | You'd have to call the function which /cast calls, and you're not allowed to do that. |
| 19:51.27 | Dewin | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CastSpellByName |
| 19:51.28 | procule | but in a macro |
| 19:51.29 | Shirik | Ugh |
| 19:51.35 | Shirik | Just got an ugly alert on my phone |
| 19:51.42 | Dewin | It's protected, can only be called from Blizzard code. |
| 19:51.50 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.51 | Dewin | procule: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:51.52 | kd3 | ^ not possible |
| 19:52.05 | Shirik | apparently AntiVir has a potentially exploitable bug |
| 19:52.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: presumably getting around the macro syntax limitations. :p |
| 19:52.32 | procule | like "/cast fu; /script if (dofunction() == 1) then 'continue'"; /cast bar |
| 19:52.36 | procule | something like that |
| 19:52.44 | Shirik | no |
| 19:52.45 | Dewin | procule: be specific |
| 19:52.50 | kd3 | you're trying to get around the macro limitations |
| 19:52.53 | kd3 | no, that's not possible |
| 19:52.54 | procule | ok |
| 19:52.54 | Shirik | unless there's a known conditional for it |
| 19:53.02 | Dewin | If you don't know about the abilities of macros, read here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881820910#10 |
| 19:53.16 | procule | i've seen /castsequence |
| 19:53.20 | Dewin | If you do know about the abilities of macros and are trying to get around it, we cannot/will not help you. |
| 19:53.29 | kd3 | there's more to it than that |
| 19:53.35 | kd3 | that link is rather informative |
| 19:53.45 | procule | i'll read it thanks |
| 19:53.47 | Hirsute | Aye, that is a built-in slash command that allows your macro to sequence through (with multiple keypresses) multiple macro commands. |
| 19:54.01 | procule | Hirsute: yes |
| 19:54.23 | procule | i just wondered if there could be conditions to the second spell (ie.) |
| 19:54.37 | procule | instead of the built one |
| 19:54.41 | procule | s |
| 19:54.41 | kd3 | no |
| 19:54.55 | kd3 | any conditions are a result of you hitting a key when appropriate |
| 19:55.00 | Hirsute | Nope, you won't be able to cast spells any way other than using the built-in ones. |
| 19:55.03 | kd3 | the devs want you playing the game, not the UI |
| 19:55.08 | Dewin | procule: again, what *exactly* do you want to do? (What condition are you trying to test for, etc.) |
| 19:55.15 | procule | oh |
| 19:55.45 | procule | i've made a little addon to inform me when i can cast a specific spell (enough power) that I use often |
| 19:55.53 | procule | a sound |
| 19:56.06 | Shirik | so you want to spam the button and not have to wory about when to push it |
| 19:56.08 | procule | for a rogue, with combos points |
| 19:56.15 | procule | no no |
| 19:56.29 | kd3 | you want to hit it once and then let it cast itself? |
| 19:56.37 | Dewin | that's the sort of decision-making Blizzard wants you to do yourself, not through your UI |
| 19:56.50 | procule | like I do A, A, A, A+B |
| 19:57.05 | cbreak | instance lag is so bad |
| 19:57.05 | Shirik | so you want to spam the button and not have to worry about when to push it |
| 19:57.19 | procule | well... i actually push the button |
| 19:57.23 | cbreak | we got sucked into a vortex on malygos right after dropping out of the previous |
| 19:57.27 | Shirik | that would be the "spam the button" part |
| 19:57.35 | cbreak | twice |
| 19:57.41 | Dewin | cbreak: ouch. |
| 19:57.47 | Shirik | cbreak: That's pretty awesome |
| 19:58.26 | procule | ok well, what i understand, the A+B part (the B) is considered "spamming the button" ? |
| 19:58.46 | procule | like doing two things in a row with a single click |
| 19:58.56 | Hirsute | That's generally not possible. |
| 19:58.57 | kd3 | you're just hitting the same button over and over and not caring what the exact situation is by trying to have the ui cast intelligently for you? |
| 19:59.11 | NightHawkTheSane | one click/key press = one specifically defined spell. period. |
| 19:59.14 | Hirsute | *unless the actions don't trigger the GCD. |
| 19:59.42 | procule | kd3: kinda, depending of the power left |
| 19:59.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: well, yes, but there's not many good uses for that, as it is |
| 20:00.00 | Hirsute | So, you can make a macro to issue 13 "/chicken"s with one keypress, but not, say, cast wrath and starfire with one keypress. |
| 20:00.13 | kd3 | procule, yup. not possible. that was one of the things the designers explicitly tried to break back in december of '06 with the push to 2.0 |
| 20:00.23 | procule | me too i thought it was not possible put i saw that "/castsequence" so... |
| 20:00.25 | kd3 | see: old-style decursive |
| 20:00.25 | cbreak | I cast icy veins and trinkets with one key press |
| 20:00.39 | NightHawkTheSane | procule: read the macro guide linked earlier |
| 20:00.45 | cbreak | well, I did when I had active ones |
| 20:00.46 | procule | NightHawkTheSane: i will |
| 20:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | if you can't do it with what's provided there, you can't do it. end of story. |
| 20:01.08 | procule | hey it was just a question hehe |
| 20:01.23 | procule | i was pretty sure it was not possible |
| 20:01.25 | Hirsute | cbreak: Aye, there are times where you can make a macro do multiple useful things with one keypress, they're just somewhat limited. |
| 20:01.41 | Shirik | I don't really understand why people want to do that anyway |
| 20:01.48 | Shirik | It's why I stopped being a hunter |
| 20:01.51 | cbreak | yes. most actions are exclusive per timeslot, macro or not |
| 20:01.54 | Shirik | what's the fun in doing the same thing over and over again |
| 20:02.00 | procule | anyway, i just do 2, 2, 2, 3 |
| 20:02.07 | procule | it does the trick |
| 20:02.17 | procule | with the addon with the sound i made |
| 20:02.28 | Hirsute | Shirik: Want to do what, multiple /chickens with one keypress? |
| 20:02.50 | procule | Shirik: killing annoying things |
| 20:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: meh, pretty much every class does "the same thing over again" with very little real variation |
| 20:02.54 | procule | low levels |
| 20:03.03 | Shirik | I don't consider healing to be "the same thing over and over again" |
| 20:03.08 | Shirik | sure, you keep casting heal |
| 20:03.13 | Shirik | but you kinda have to pay attention to what you're healing |
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| 20:03.20 | Shirik | unless you're a paladin; which is why I don't play a paladin |
| 20:03.29 | NightHawkTheSane | about as much as you have to pay attention to what you're dpsing. |
| 20:03.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the difficulty and variety of both is probably about equal |
| 20:04.13 | procule | well thanks guy to have clarified all this, a question tho |
| 20:04.16 | Shirik | because what you have to DPS definitely changes at the same rate as what you have to heal |
| 20:04.17 | procule | at the beginning |
| 20:04.31 | cbreak | there's a "quest" where you have to do multiple /chicken in a row |
| 20:04.35 | cbreak | many many of them |
| 20:04.37 | procule | a guy could just make a script and sit back |
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| 20:04.54 | Hirsute | cbreak: I know. I love my westfall chicken. |
| 20:05.02 | Spellbinder | me too |
| 20:05.08 | Hirsute | Was being rhetorical. |
| 20:05.35 | Hirsute | procule: Aye, and Blizz basically said, "Don't be dumb" and changed it to break that ability. |
| 20:06.39 | cbreak | nice. I can switch to IRC between frostbolt casts. how convenient. |
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| 20:13.51 | Tekkub | aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:14.08 | Tekkub | "Surely you have some kind of error log which should tell you precisely why authorization was refused. I must say I find your response to my support request extremely unhelpful. I am trying to pay, and I am sure it would be better for your business if you made that as easy as possible?" |
| 20:14.31 | Tekkub | dude, call your fucking bank, they don't tell us anything but approved or declined.... I CAN'T HELP YOU |
| 20:17.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:18.00 | Shirik | that's not exactly true |
| 20:18.06 | Shirik | don't banks tell you code 13s also? |
| 20:19.50 | Shirik | :P |
| 20:19.55 | Shirik | ah =? |
| 20:22.40 | Tekkub | code 13s? you mean like "capture card"? |
| 20:22.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:22.59 | Tekkub | I don't know if they do that for not-in-person auths |
| 20:23.03 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:23.10 | Tekkub | but either way, there's jack shit I can tell this guy |
| 20:23.14 | Shirik | yeah :P |
| 20:23.32 | Tekkub | I'm sure he'll call his bank, they won't see an auth at all, which means he can't fucking type |
| 20:23.48 | Shirik | not sure if they're called code 13 globally or not; at Best Buy that's what we called them since that's what the monitor shows in such a case (or when you call in under suspicion, you ask for a code 13 authorization) |
| 20:24.15 | Shirik | lol Tekkub :P |
| 20:24.21 | Tekkub | that's probably just BB's term.... walmart it prints a lil receipt that says "capture card" |
| 20:24.39 | Tekkub | whice means don't hand it back, but of corse everyone swipes the card nowadays |
| 20:24.39 | kd3 | ah yes, I love that. "Sir, I'm sorry, there seems to be a problem." <guest explodes> "A problem? It's your stupid system that's the problem! Why'd your system decline my perfectly good card!?" |
| 20:25.20 | Shirik | I had a stolen card at BB once |
| 20:25.20 | Tekkub | I think the guy got pissy cause I asked if the new card had extra security shit on it |
| 20:25.36 | Tekkub | a few banks have begun requiring the CVV off the back, which they shouldn't |
| 20:25.45 | Tekkub | most the declines we get are cause of that |
| 20:25.56 | Shirik | unfortunately, I didn't catch it. But I ask for everyone's ID before swiping the card, so she must have had a forged ID |
| 20:26.02 | Shirik | they caught her anyway :P |
| 20:26.20 | Tekkub | I had one at walmart too, she wanted to buy a gift card with like $300... it declined, "she says 'try $200'" |
| 20:26.37 | kd3 | ya, those are a little too obvious |
| 20:26.39 | Tekkub | I'm like, "you don't know how much is available on your own card?" |
| 20:26.55 | Tekkub | she booked it :) |
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| 20:28.48 | Shirik | hrm |
| 20:28.52 | Lunessa | Hell, I'd better get a couple of sixers on the way home and drink them all the way today is going. |
| 20:29.02 | Shirik | cpu: Intel Core2 Duo T8100 2.10GHz (at 800 MHz) |
| 20:29.07 | Shirik | No wonder everything's running so slow |
| 20:29.11 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 20:29.34 | kd3 | ouch. how'd it go that low? my q6600 only throttles between 1600 and 2400 |
| 20:29.49 | Shirik | That's my "Super Power Saver" plan I added for plane trips, etc. |
| 20:29.53 | Shirik | apparently I forgot to switch back |
| 20:30.39 | Tekkub | isn't there an option to only use that when on battery power? |
| 20:30.43 | Shirik | probably |
| 20:31.49 | kd3 | oh wow. we're apparently under a fire weather warning too |
| 20:32.28 | kd3 | though apparently not a freeze warning even though the low's 22... |
| 20:33.55 | Shirik | this is where all the brits whine |
| 20:34.01 | Shirik | "wtf 22 is warm, why you want freeze warning!" |
| 20:34.11 | Shirik | sorry, misspelled |
| 20:34.30 | Shirik | "wtf 22 is warum, whuy youuuu want frueeze warnuing!" |
| 20:34.38 | kd3 | meh, 22's not a big deal. tomorrow night the low's expected to be 9 |
| 20:35.08 | Shirik | don't they use C in england? |
| 20:39.35 | zenzelezz | no, they go straight from B to D |
| 20:39.45 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:41.42 | Shirik | You know what, screw DBM |
| 20:41.47 | Shirik | I'm inches away from not supporting them anymore |
| 20:41.59 | p3lim | is it neede with an AutoShot timer these days? |
| 20:42.01 | p3lim | for hunters |
| 20:42.04 | NightHawkTheSane | inches? or cm? |
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| 20:48.07 | Shirik | http://pastey.net/106321 |
| 20:48.31 | Shirik | so far, I have only found one thing to put in there |
| 20:50.02 | Industrial | <-- Twilight Vanquisher Xamth |
| 20:50.11 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 20:50.27 | ScytheBlade1 | SLOW |
| 20:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (Grats) |
| 20:50.54 | Cide | how are they changing it? |
| 20:52.41 | Shirik | They've been changing the ## Title field between several different versions of their acronym, and aside from that, I don't even have a good way to correlate DBM to its site right now |
| 20:53.04 | Shirik | unless somehow the app magically knows that DBM means Deadly Boss Mods (which is the purpose of that field) |
| 20:53.09 | Shirik | no other addon I've tested as of yet has this problem |
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| 20:58.27 | Lunessa | foxlit: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318906388&sid=1 |
| 20:58.58 | zenzelezz | I dislike addons that use color codes in their title |
| 20:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 20:59.43 | Syzgyn | Yar |
| 20:59.59 | Shirik | yes zenzelezz |
| 21:00.02 | Shirik | that's something else I had to fix for them |
| 21:01.33 | zenzelezz | they're not the only ones, but theirs seems worst |
| 21:03.08 | NeoTron | Industrial: tonight I hope |
| 21:04.26 | Shirik | I especially don't understand their color choice, zenzelezz |
| 21:04.32 | Shirik | dark blue on a screen that is generally black? |
| 21:05.22 | foxlit | Lunessa: hah, promotion! :) |
| 21:05.35 | Lunessa | I thought you might get a kick out of that answer. |
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| 21:06.47 | Cide | I dislike addons who put "Ace2" or "Ace3" or such in their title |
| 21:07.03 | Cide | s/who/that/ |
| 21:10.08 | Tekkub | bitch at em, we've been trying to end that madness for a while now |
| 21:10.16 | Thunder_Child | oh my, http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=6930 |
| 21:10.22 | Tekkub | *especially* the Ace3 ones |
| 21:12.14 | Shirik | well |
| 21:12.21 | Shirik | Ace caused me some problems, but that was easy to fix |
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| 21:13.01 | Shirik | And Ace was not alone in that regard :) |
| 21:13.12 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/106323 |
| 21:13.28 | Tekkub | you just need to tighten down the stabalizer screw |
| 21:14.05 | Shirik | I blocked all versions of Ace ^_^ |
| 21:14.07 | Shirik | even Ace9999999999 |
| 21:14.44 | Shirik | Unlike Ace addons, though |
| 21:14.52 | Shirik | DBM just says something like "DBM API" |
| 21:14.58 | Shirik | which is kinda worthless if you discard DBM |
| 21:15.02 | Tekkub | DUMB API |
| 21:15.08 | Shirik | if an ace addon does something like "Grid -Ace2-" |
| 21:15.13 | Shirik | then I can still match against "Grid" |
| 21:15.35 | Tekkub | you can mash against my "grid" any time |
| 21:15.43 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:16.23 | Tekkub | anyone have excel installed? I need to test something quick but kinda don't want to install it for that |
| 21:16.31 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:16.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:16.35 | Thunder_Child | and you should as well |
| 21:16.45 | Tekkub | okey one sec let me generate the CSV |
| 21:16.58 | Tekkub | don't get me wrong, I love excel, I just have no use for it these days |
| 21:17.06 | Thunder_Child | well it seems you do |
| 21:17.13 | Thunder_Child | or you wouldne be asking for it |
| 21:17.16 | Tekkub | no, my client does :P |
| 21:17.31 | Shirik | therefore, by transitive property, you do too |
| 21:17.32 | Thunder_Child | yep, like i said...you. |
| 21:18.51 | Tekkub | https://gist.github.com/e4b60f430034ee6462aa |
| 21:19.18 | Tekkub | just need to make sure the date and time fields are interpreted corretly, not as text |
| 21:19.37 | Thunder_Child | date is ####### |
| 21:19.45 | Thunder_Child | and time is screwy as well |
| 21:19.47 | Tekkub | make the column bigger |
| 21:19.54 | Thunder_Child | 15:30 |
| 21:19.54 | Thunder_Child | 3:30PM |
| 21:19.59 | Thunder_Child | is the time colum |
| 21:20.00 | Thunder_Child | n |
| 21:20.03 | Tekkub | are they text or time? |
| 21:20.16 | Thunder_Child | top is custom |
| 21:20.19 | Thunder_Child | botom is general |
| 21:20.33 | Thunder_Child | the dates however are dates |
| 21:20.42 | Tekkub | okey, so only way to get a time in correctly is full datetimes |
| 21:20.54 | Tekkub | damn excel, stupid fuckers that can't read 24hr time |
| 21:21.36 | Thunder_Child | your created is general as well if that makes a diff |
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| 21:23.07 | Tekkub | not really, though it should be a proper date |
| 21:23.15 | Thunder_Child | Fri Jan 02 16:48:37 -0700 2009 |
| 21:23.16 | Tekkub | what version of excel? |
| 21:23.20 | Thunder_Child | 2k7 |
| 21:23.32 | Tekkub | oh it has the timezone in it |
| 21:23.36 | Tekkub | bet excel hates that |
| 21:23.44 | Thunder_Child | doesnt do anything at all |
| 21:23.50 | Thunder_Child | thats what it desplays |
| 21:23.56 | Thunder_Child | displays* |
| 21:24.10 | Tekkub | best part, google docs interprets all these times/datetimes correctly |
| 21:24.15 | Tekkub | EXCEL FAIL! |
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| 21:25.23 | Tekkub | fuck it, I highly doubt these people know how to use excel anyway if they're bitching about 24hr time |
| 21:29.14 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/1/9/ |
| 21:29.18 | Adys | i should read PA more often |
| 21:29.59 | ZorbaTHut | I love PA. the guys have so many amazing lines |
| 21:30.02 | Tekkub | PA is kinda like CAD... you go long periods of time thinking "why do I still read this?" then there's a really good one |
| 21:30.25 | NightHawkTheSane | except the authors of PA aren't fucking tools |
| 21:30.31 | NightHawkTheSane | unlike CAD |
| 21:30.32 | Tekkub | there is that |
| 21:30.33 | Thunder_Child | except PA is about 10x as productive as CAD |
| 21:30.44 | Tekkub | and that |
| 21:30.54 | KarlThePagan1 | and PA has an rss feed |
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| 21:31.04 | ZorbaTHut | CAD doesn't have an RSS feed? |
| 21:31.09 | NightHawkTheSane | and even the "bad" PAs are probably far more creative than CAD |
| 21:31.15 | Tekkub | PA rss go down the hole.... |
| 21:31.19 | KarlThePagan1 | I should check again |
| 21:31.40 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3196925047/ |
| 21:31.49 | KarlThePagan1 | well... seems cad added one since i last checked ;) |
| 21:31.58 | Tekkub | problem with PA's feed is it's comics and news |
| 21:32.03 | Tekkub | I don't care about their ranting |
| 21:32.15 | Tekkub | DRAW A PICTURE IF YOU WANT ME TO READ YOUR RANT! |
| 21:32.18 | Thunder_Child | just your own ranting? |
| 21:32.35 | Thunder_Child | despite all that i still like CAD |
| 21:32.45 | KarlThePagan1 | that's another reason I like RSS feeds |
| 21:32.52 | KarlThePagan1 | I'm free to ignore the rants if I want |
| 21:33.14 | Tekkub | AH! perfect... http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=d3088cbf172e042ebe763037aa4d402e |
| 21:33.39 | Tekkub | I'll start reading PA again now |
| 21:34.18 | KarlThePagan1 | pipes is cool... I need to convert to it |
| 21:35.57 | KarlThePagan1 | Tekkub: btw have you considered communicating the previous value in LDB update events? |
| 21:36.15 | Tekkub | no, track it if you need it |
| 21:36.30 | KarlThePagan1 | yea that would be my solution |
| 21:36.50 | KarlThePagan1 | tradeoff a value on the stack for one in a table controlled by the display addon |
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| 21:37.47 | KarlThePagan1 | when I get sufficiently motivated I might finish a "spark bar" display for a reputation tracker that would work like FuXPFu |
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| 21:46.01 | Spellbinder | is there an easy way to show fps whitout installing an addon? |
| 21:46.07 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:46.17 | Thunder_Child | something like alt r |
| 21:46.22 | Thunder_Child | or ctrl r |
| 21:46.44 | Spellbinder | will it be up all the time then? i want to keep track if the fps drops |
| 21:46.53 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:47.03 | Spellbinder | nice thx a bunch \o/ |
| 21:47.04 | Thunder_Child | yellow numbers mid bottom of screen |
| 21:47.07 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 21:54.35 | foxlit | not white? |
| 22:03.20 | Thunder_Child | Ãæ |
| 22:04.52 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was yellow |
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| 22:05.09 | Thunder_Child | i dont use it, maybe i am confusing it with fraps |
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| 22:09.25 | Lunessa | White numbers. Also hover of the "game menu" button on the action bar to see FPS too. |
| 22:10.00 | Tekkub | someone explain this to me... https://gist.github.com/43d0d712899699327385 |
| 22:10.32 | Tekkub | is that saying "the law requires us to add this coverage" and not "the law requires you to HAVE this coverage" |
| 22:11.06 | Industrial | yes it is |
| 22:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: the former. the final sentence indicates the ability to remove it |
| 22:12.48 | Tekkub | I hate insurance so very very much |
| 22:13.24 | Thunder_Child | lua> 1192/60/60 |
| 22:13.24 | Tekkub | but at the same time, it only adds like $40 to my 6-month premium, which is already damn low as is |
| 22:13.24 | lua_bot | Thunder_Child: 0.33111111111111 |
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| 22:28.35 | Thunder_Child | offhand does anyone know where FF keeps is temp files in vista? |
| 22:29.16 | Kirov | C:\Users\*\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox |
| 22:29.43 | Thunder_Child | ty Kirov |
| 22:29.47 | Kirov | Each profile has it's own cache |
| 22:30.03 | Thunder_Child | ya, can read i though :( |
| 22:30.12 | Kirov | no idea |
| 22:30.16 | Kirov | depends on what you're trying to get |
| 22:30.26 | Thunder_Child | err...i meant to type i cant read it |
| 22:30.30 | Thunder_Child | ~fail fingers |
| 22:30.31 | purl | fingers, you Fail! |
| 22:30.48 | Kirov | What kind of temp file are you trying to find? |
| 22:30.57 | Thunder_Child | img |
| 22:31.04 | Kirov | ah |
| 22:31.09 | Kirov | yeah, probably not |
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| 22:48.03 | Thunder_Child | lua>500/60 |
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| 22:57.29 | cog|work | heh... " there is no god but google, and wikipedia is its prophet" |
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| 23:02.47 | Tekkub | okey, more stupid insurance questions! |
| 23:03.22 | Tekkub | should I get a plan that covers $120 for contacts and has a $15 exam copay... costs $160/year |
| 23:03.29 | Tekkub | or just pay out of pocket? |
| 23:03.41 | duaiwe | http://spritestitch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=230 |
| 23:03.43 | Tekkub | note that if I get contacts, they'll end up being about $400 |
| 23:04.21 | Tekkub | seems to me that unless the exam is >$55 this isn't worth it |
| 23:04.51 | sacarasc | and if you don't replace your contacts every year |
| 23:04.59 | Tekkub | I would have to |
| 23:05.30 | Tekkub | my eyes is extra fucked, I'd have to get specially designed contacts fitted to correct the shape of my lens |
| 23:06.09 | Tekkub | not just the normal kind that compensate for focus |
| 23:11.59 | Industrial | I cant find Storm peaks in Routes |
| 23:12.04 | Industrial | Xinhuan: ^ ? |
| 23:12.19 | Industrial | in the dropdown list to add a route |
| 23:12.31 | Xinhuan | err why not? |
| 23:12.34 | Xinhuan | i can find it in mine |
| 23:12.59 | Xinhuan | note the zone is called "The Storm Peaks" |
| 23:13.16 | Industrial | h. |
| 23:13.18 | Industrial | ah* |
| 23:13.40 | Industrial | its Storm peaks on the map :s |
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| 23:15.37 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: I noticed an interesting interaction between gathermate and routes. If you use gathermate's cleanup (condense close nodes), routes doesn't forget the removed notes. Any route that has such a node has little "phantom" nodes left on the map. |
| 23:15.58 | Xinhuan | yeah you need to recreate the route in that case |
| 23:16.23 | Dashkal | kk, known then. That's what I ended up doing. My icecrown map was just a mess of a mess |
| 23:16.39 | Xinhuan | the initial database GM comes with isn't cleaned up" because some people dont' want it cleaned |
| 23:16.45 | Dashkal | I was resisting recreating it earlier. A foreground optomization == disconnect |
| 23:17.04 | Xinhuan | even so, it will still save the optimized route correctly ;p |
| 23:17.07 | Dashkal | And a background one... I'm better off disconnecting |
| 23:17.29 | Olorin | anyone know if in ScITE if theirs a way of viewing same file splitscrean? |
| 23:17.29 | Xinhuan | btw how long a background takes is dependant on your fps |
| 23:17.46 | Xinhuan | so if you choose to zoom in 1st person and stare into a wall |
| 23:17.54 | Xinhuan | your background will take that much faster ;p |
| 23:18.12 | Dashkal | I don't suppose a compromise could be found where it lets the system take hold every 10 seconds to avoid disconnect is practical? |
| 23:18.37 | Xinhuan | well it would just end up being a "background" that isn't really background |
| 23:18.49 | Cide | that's not really background |
| 23:18.54 | Dashkal | All the speed of foreground without the disconnect :p |
| 23:19.05 | Cide | background should allow you to play while doing it |
| 23:19.11 | Xinhuan | it does! |
| 23:19.13 | Cide | clearly that's not the case in Dashkal's suggestion :P |
| 23:19.17 | Cide | so it's not background at all |
| 23:19.18 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 23:19.33 | Dashkal | It's not even that important to me, just an idea is all. A disconnect isn't the end of the world |
| 23:19.39 | Dashkal | I just don't risk it during high queue times |
| 23:19.48 | Xinhuan | so how many nodes are u trying to optimize |
| 23:19.52 | Xinhuan | that it takes a disconenct |
| 23:20.00 | Xinhuan | you shouldn't be having routes with > 150 nodes |
| 23:20.05 | Dashkal | gathermate_data icecrown, saronite only |
| 23:20.28 | Xinhuan | that would take me barely 20 seconds |
| 23:20.32 | Xinhuan | your PC must be slow ;p |
| 23:20.38 | Dashkal | middle of the road |
| 23:21.02 | Dashkal | It was pretty sweet about three years ago |
| 23:22.56 | Torhal | My PC is about five to six years old. Icecrown took me about 45 seconds. |
| 23:23.05 | Dashkal | Icecrown is the only zone that'll disconnect me. Even SP is fine. Something about that zone makes for a funky route for me |
| 23:23.12 | Torhal | I have an Athlon 2000XP and 1.5GB RAM |
| 23:23.24 | Dashkal | I even blocked off Naz'rak and the wintergrasp nodes |
| 23:23.32 | Dashkal | Though that might be slowing the routes down |
| 23:23.32 | Xinhuan | did you |
| 23:23.38 | Xinhuan | cluster the route first |
| 23:23.44 | Dashkal | ahh, now that I didn't do |
| 23:23.49 | Xinhuan | well you should |
| 23:23.54 | Xinhuan | no reason why you aren't doing it |
| 23:24.18 | Torhal | I don't even understand why clustering is optional. |
| 23:24.31 | Dashkal | Doesn't let me tinker with the route manually if I do (at least that's what th eUI says) |
| 23:25.01 | Xinhuan | its optional because not all routes should be clustered |
| 23:25.10 | Cide | if clustering is what I think it is, it won't give you an optimal solution |
| 23:25.11 | Dashkal | Which I do to account for things the taboo zones can't handle. (Going around strange mountains in the old world, for example) |
| 23:25.20 | Cide | so if you're a perfectionist... :P |
| 23:25.26 | Xinhuan | for example, i have a route that is simply an area marking patrols |
| 23:25.32 | Xinhuan | of rare spawns |
| 23:25.35 | Xinhuan | i.e a region |
| 23:25.39 | Dashkal | One-way routes (I jump off of the waterfall in NW hinterlands) |
| 23:25.58 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp10.jpg |
| 23:26.04 | Xinhuan | consider this Icecrown Saronite ore route i just made |
| 23:26.06 | AbsolutRayne | Hrm |
| 23:26.08 | Xinhuan | in that screenshot |
| 23:26.14 | AbsolutRayne | I wanted to get Lopes thoughts on something, but shes not here |
| 23:26.16 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 23:26.27 | Xinhuan | yes, it is a clustered route |
| 23:26.32 | Xinhuan | clustered at 60 yards |
| 23:26.36 | Xinhuan | (configurable) |
| 23:26.46 | Dashkal | *nods* definitely clustered. Mine isn't and is much more intricate. Hence the disconnect |
| 23:26.51 | AbsolutRayne | Xinhuan: Thats super clustered. I cant imagine that its very productive. :/ |
| 23:27.01 | Xinhuan | depends |
| 23:27.05 | Xinhuan | you can control the cluster distance |
| 23:27.11 | Xinhuan | default is 60 |
| 23:27.20 | Xinhuan | minimap blip detectionis at 80 yards |
| 23:27.26 | AbsolutRayne | http://i39.tinypic.com/5lufkm.jpg Is my path, I get about 80-100 ore an hour depending on how busy it is |
| 23:27.34 | Xinhuan | or to be more specific, detect-in is at 80 yards, and detect-out is at 100 yards |
| 23:27.37 | AbsolutRayne | occasionally going towards that long slope to Shol |
| 23:27.52 | Xinhuan | that is, you need to fly within 80 yards to see a yellow blip, but don't lose it until you're 100 yards out |
| 23:27.52 | AbsolutRayne | And if im bored, the Forgotten Depths under IC |
| 23:27.57 | Dashkal | AbsolutRayne: I do that one combined with a larger outer circle when mining without the benifit of my mods |
| 23:28.03 | Xinhuan | so the optimal is pretty much to cluster at 60 yards |
| 23:28.13 | Xinhuan | and have your routes travel between them to have less nodes |
| 23:28.33 | Xinhuan | that is, clustering takes nodes that are near each other, performs a centroid calculation and treats the centroid has 1 travel point |
| 23:28.48 | Xinhuan | and the centroid is no more than 60 yards away from the real nodes |
| 23:29.03 | Xinhuan | so as you fly, you only need to visit the centroid locations |
| 23:29.18 | Hirsute | What are you using to make those routes? |
| 23:29.24 | AbsolutRayne | Theres an Updated version of oRA, correct? |
| 23:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: Routes |
| 23:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: one of those aptly named addons |
| 23:29.44 | Xinhuan | here's another example |
| 23:29.48 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg <-- unclustered |
| 23:29.53 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg <-- clustered |
| 23:29.55 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Awesome. |
| 23:30.15 | Hirsute | Hey ScytheBlade1: I'm been meaning to ask you, you don't happen to *be* the head networking guy at your University, do you? |
| 23:30.18 | Xinhuan | in that example, 650 nodes is reduced to 196 travel points |
| 23:30.23 | Hirsute | s/I'm/I've |
| 23:30.42 | Dashkal | I'm gonna have to cave and cluster this one if I want reasonable optimization times :p |
| 23:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: Be? I wish. That'd be worth something on a resume, compared to 6 years of small business lone IT admin |
| 23:31.06 | Dashkal | Which isn't an issue now that I've blocked off everything I had removed by hand anyway |
| 23:31.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: (I'm at your same school...) |
| 23:31.20 | Xinhuan | i think you'll find clustering to be useful in *most* cases (but not all) |
| 23:31.33 | Dashkal | I used to make so much cash from SMV. People preferred netherstorm |
| 23:31.34 | Xinhuan | for example, if you were making a route for everfrost chips, you do NOT want to cluster that |
| 23:31.48 | Xinhuan | because you don't have minimap detection blips for those |
| 23:31.52 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: I know. I was just wondering because, ever since I made that comment in here about the guy being testy and ignoring your emails if you piss him off, he's been ignoring my emails. |
| 23:31.59 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:32.03 | Hirsute | I know |
| 23:32.07 | Hirsute | yay for ssh on 443 |
| 23:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Bit of a stretch |
| 23:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: well that IS unfortunate, sadly, I don't possess such powers over your life (read: networking) |
| 23:34.37 | Hirsute | Aye. No problems. Like I said, yay for ssh on 443. |
| 23:34.42 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 23:35.32 | Tekkub | "Our interactive voice response unit is available 21 hours every day" |
| 23:35.40 | Tekkub | which three hours do you let it sleep? |
| 23:36.31 | Dashkal | 4-7pm? |
| 23:36.35 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:45.26 | Tekkub | I love how my lights flicker when my printer warms up |
| 23:45.42 | Tekkub | the wiring here is some scary shit |
| 23:46.18 | Cide | or your printer is some scary shit |
| 23:46.40 | Tekkub | no, it's the wiring |
| 23:47.10 | Tekkub | let me put it this way.... we have two extension cords running into this room, one for the computers and one for the AC |
| 23:47.19 | Tekkub | the bedroom circuit is fucked up |
| 23:47.26 | Kirov | Or your printer is using 1.21 gigawatts and taking power from the future causing the lights to flicker due to the power at that time already being used. |
| 23:47.55 | Tekkub | if we run the AC, and only the AC off the circuit, the breaker gets hot and kinda smells like burning |
| 23:48.06 | Tekkub | if we run comps and AC< it trips the breaker |
| 23:48.27 | Kirov | You live in a sad, sad place. |
| 23:48.29 | erikd | is the place 100 years old? |
| 23:48.33 | erikd | with original wiring |
| 23:48.37 | Tekkub | run the AC off the bathroom circuit, no smell like burning |
| 23:48.51 | Tekkub | I don't think 100, but at least 20 |
| 23:48.55 | Tekkub | maybe 30 |
| 23:48.56 | Thunder_Child | if the dryer and my comp are going at the same time it's ok, but if the toaster gets used.....well...bad things happen |
| 23:49.27 | Tekkub | oh yea, using the toaster oven and microwave at the same time tripped that circuit once too |
| 23:49.36 | Tekkub | so we don't use em both at the same time now |
| 23:49.44 | erikd | weird |
| 23:49.45 | Tekkub | we have a big ass microwave though |
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| 23:50.25 | Tekkub | place was probably built in the 70s, we had to sign a page in the lease about lead |
| 23:51.01 | Tekkub | they say all the pipes have been replaced, and of course no paint, but they're still required to make us sign that |
| 23:51.35 | WobWork | back in the days |
| 23:51.40 | WobWork | where they built the walls out of lead too |
| 23:52.17 | Thunder_Child | and the food was made of lead too |
| 23:53.19 | Tekkub | I asked, "should I worry about my cat licking the wall? she likes to lick things, I'm sure at some point she'll lick the wall..." |
| 23:54.56 | WobWork | tbh, Tekkub, do you -really- think you'll be able to tell the difference if your cat goes insane from lead poisoning? |
| 23:55.26 | Thunder_Child | this is rather impressive, http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=6814 |
| 23:55.28 | Tekkub | difference, no, but when she start acting like she's dying, yea |
| 23:55.29 | Kirov | When my dad was in high school he and some of his electrical engineer friends wired up their gym teacher's office with some light sensors. Basically the office had two lights in it on either side of the room. If one light was on, the other wouldn't turn on. |
| 23:55.51 | Kirov | They convinced him it was the old wiring in the office preventing it from being able to power both lights on. |
| 23:56.07 | Tekkub | riiiiiiight |
| 23:56.12 | kd3 | so is this: http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1659 |
| 23:56.27 | Kirov | This gym teacher aparently would turn off one light, walk across the room in the dark, and turn on the other one. |
| 23:57.06 | WobWork | ... who has -electrical engineer- friends in highschool? |
| 23:57.16 | Kirov | My dad. |
| 23:57.28 | Kirov | Think of electrical engineering as today's computer programmers |
| 23:57.41 | Kirov | In high school there's the computer geeks that all program for fun. |
| 23:57.53 | Kirov | When he was in high school it was electrical engineering. |
| 23:58.55 | foxlit | I'm not even sure where I'd be able to get a light sensor today :/ |
| 23:59.01 | foxlit | let alone however many years ago that was |
| 23:59.12 | Kirov | Easy |
| 23:59.14 | Kirov | Radio Shack |
| 23:59.15 | Thunder_Child | yes you can |
| 23:59.28 | Tekkub | uh, in HS I just programmed graphing calculators while others stuck resistors in electrical outlets |
| 23:59.36 | foxlit | none of those around here, though I suppose that separates things based on geography |
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| 23:59.56 | kd3 | yay screwing around on my ti-89 |
