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| 00:07.34 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm off to taste the flames of Sulfuron, and by fire be purged. Later. |
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| 00:15.14 | Tekkub | stupid hardware question time! |
| 00:15.19 | Tekkub | hubby has a shit mobo... |
| 00:15.25 | Tekkub | got him the same vid card I got |
| 00:15.39 | Tekkub | I pull a good 40 FPS avg, spike to ~100 in exodar |
| 00:15.52 | Tekkub | he pulls ~20 avg, spike to ~50 in exodar |
| 00:16.03 | Tekkub | would PCIe 1.0 vs 2.0 make that much diff? |
| 00:16.06 | KarlKFI | WTS FSB |
| 00:16.07 | Fisker- | no |
| 00:16.13 | Tekkub | the card's 2.0, but his mobo's only 1.0 |
| 00:16.32 | Tewan | Tekkub, same processor/memory? |
| 00:16.54 | Fisker- | It's just double bandwitdh |
| 00:16.56 | Tekkub | almost exact same proc, but he has slower memory too |
| 00:17.05 | Fisker- | Most likely memory then |
| 00:17.08 | Tewan | Aye. |
| 00:17.10 | Fisker- | and/or local programs |
| 00:17.17 | Tekkub | proc sits at ~50% on both cores on both our computers with wow up |
| 00:17.25 | Tekkub | nothing running on his |
| 00:17.34 | Movix | hi, is there a way to emded an addon A as a part of another addon B, where addon A has an embeds.xml including all it's files with relative pathes by only embeding the embeds.xml from addon A in the embeds.xml of addon B ? |
| 00:17.34 | KarlKFI | dual core? |
| 00:17.35 | Tewan | Tekkub, what video card? |
| 00:17.45 | Tekkub | GF 9600GSO |
| 00:17.57 | Tekkub | I know the card's cabale cause it runs great in my box |
| 00:17.59 | KarlKFI | yes movix |
| 00:18.02 | Tewan | Tekkub, aye |
| 00:18.10 | Tekkub | capable even |
| 00:18.11 | Tewan | Then it shouldn't matter too much :P |
| 00:18.40 | Tekkub | just don't want to drop money for a new mobo even though he needs it, just for wow |
| 00:18.53 | Tekkub | when it's still rather iffy if he'll play the goddamn game |
| 00:19.00 | Gnarfoz | 50% performance diff sounds like something else... |
| 00:19.03 | Movix | thx |
| 00:19.04 | Tekkub | he acts like he wants to, till we actually play |
| 00:19.20 | Tekkub | Gnarfoz, it is a VERY shitty mobo |
| 00:19.30 | Tewan | Tekkub, link? :P |
| 00:19.34 | KarlKFI | if my embedding the xmls you mean link to the embedded xml from the primary xml |
| 00:19.34 | Gnarfoz | except that... it doesn't play a role in it |
| 00:19.35 | Tekkub | if he runs with the case closed, it randomly shuts off |
| 00:19.39 | KarlKFI | by* |
| 00:19.44 | Tewan | Tekkub, that's heat issues. |
| 00:19.59 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: uh... "it" is probably not the mainboard then... and IF it is. WTF heat sensors |
| 00:20.04 | Fisker- | Could be the CPU throttling then |
| 00:20.04 | Tekkub | if he enable the "smart fan" thing on the CPU fan, it HANGS the comp for a sec when it turns it on/off |
| 00:20.26 | Tekkub | heat issues is a totally different issue :P |
| 00:20.34 | Gnarfoz | guess your hubby needs a new mobo after all. his one seems broken, not "shitty" :D |
| 00:20.40 | Fisker- | Not nessecarily Tekkub |
| 00:20.50 | Tekkub | every part but the mobo has been replaced and it still does the same shat as when he first got the mobo |
| 00:20.53 | KarlKFI | if the proc is overheating it might be throttling itself |
| 00:20.53 | Tewan | Holy shit |
| 00:20.56 | Fisker- | If the CPU is too hot the CPU will throttle itself to prevent damage to the core |
| 00:21.01 | Tewan | My video card is running at 73C while doing nothing |
| 00:21.02 | Tewan | o_o |
| 00:21.12 | Tewan | I'm thinking about opening my case again. |
| 00:21.32 | Fisker- | Opening the case = fail :E |
| 00:21.39 | Movix | in that case is the saved variable declared in the TOC of the embeded addon also taken in consideration ? |
| 00:21.39 | Tewan | Fisker-, does not. |
| 00:21.40 | Tekkub | ugh, one sec let me lauch wow on his with the heat sensors up |
| 00:21.40 | Tewan | >:l |
| 00:21.42 | KarlKFI | my computer room is like 30C, so i know my fans work. |
| 00:22.34 | Tewan | My GPU idles at 64C when the case is open |
| 00:22.43 | KarlKFI | (that and i have an app that monitors and displays all the internal sensors ;) ) |
| 00:22.43 | Tewan | 73C when closed. |
| 00:22.46 | Tewan | o_o |
| 00:22.57 | haste | my fanless GPU idles at 62C with the case closed |
| 00:22.58 | Movix | not good to open the case while running ! |
| 00:22.59 | KarlKFI | you need you some air flow redesign |
| 00:23.01 | haste | 7900GT |
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| 00:23.29 | Fisker- | my case temp = room temp |
| 00:23.32 | Fisker- | = owned |
| 00:26.22 | Tekkub | okey here we are... |
| 00:26.22 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 5, 2009, 4:20 PM PST. . We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, January 6th. The downtime will begin at 3:00 AM PST and end at approximately 11:00 AM PST.. . Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment. |
| 00:26.50 | Tekkub | idle, CPU 22C Sys 38C Chipset 75C GPU 35C |
| 00:26.58 | Tekkub | wow up, in grizz hills, 30FPS... |
| 00:27.11 | Tekkub | CPU 32C Sys 39C Chipset 75C GPU 41C |
| 00:28.19 | Tekkub | left wow open, will check temps again in a few :P |
| 00:28.22 | Tewan | let see.......... |
| 00:28.48 | Fisker- | chipset is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad |
| 00:29.04 | Tekkub | how many times did I say it was a shit mobo? |
| 00:29.29 | Fisker- | What motherboard isi t? |
| 00:29.49 | kd3 | lessee... idle... cpu 53 (says the mobo, the cpus are saying they're at 45), system 34, gpu 58 |
| 00:30.07 | Fisker- | moo: cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz 1 processor(s) at 2667MHz (1% Load) |
| 00:30.25 | Tekkub | Winfast 6150BK8MC |
| 00:30.26 | Fisker- | Running 3.33GHz though |
| 00:30.31 | Tekkub | good luck finding infos online |
| 00:30.45 | Tekkub | temps are up to 42/41/78/42 |
| 00:30.53 | Tekkub | and no, the CPU hasn't downclocked |
| 00:30.56 | KarlKFI | overclocked i7? sexy |
| 00:30.56 | Tekkub | still at 2211 |
| 00:31.19 | Fisker- | of course KarlKFI |
| 00:31.23 | Fisker- | idle is about 40C btw |
| 00:31.23 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 00:31.30 | Gngsk | what software are you using to get temp info? |
| 00:31.36 | kd3 | idling at the login screen... 58/(46-52)/35/77 |
| 00:31.40 | Tewan | there we go |
| 00:31.43 | Tewan | 56C idling |
| 00:31.54 | Tewan | (GPU), but fan's at 100% |
| 00:32.27 | Fisker- | So it's AMD btw? |
| 00:34.38 | Fisker- | anyways definitely something wrong :P |
| 00:34.44 | Fisker- | Chipset should be running no more than 50C |
| 00:37.42 | KarlKFI | mmm found a Mac Pro software overclockign util... gonna have to play with that when i get home |
| 00:38.02 | KarlKFI | says i can up my 2.66 to 3.10 stable |
| 00:40.16 | Movix | is there a way to define a SV in the embeds.xml since the toc file is not working for an embeded addon ? |
| 00:40.25 | KarlKFI | no |
| 00:40.54 | KarlKFI | embedded addons cant have SV atm |
| 00:40.58 | Movix | so libs do not work with SVs ? |
| 00:41.01 | Tekkub | embeds shouldn't use SV |
| 00:41.15 | Gnarfoz | Movix: they don't |
| 00:41.18 | KarlKFI | you can use it unembedded just fine |
| 00:41.41 | NeoTron | pretty much - if your "lib" needs sv's it needs to be standalone |
| 00:42.21 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: that mobo being shit aside, did you check the chipset heatsink/cooler, whatever? take former off, clean, reapply thermal paste, correctly mount again,... stuff like that? |
| 00:42.35 | Movix | ok, thx |
| 00:42.43 | Tekkub | yea see that's the thing, I'm not going to fuck with that shit |
| 00:42.55 | Tekkub | I never wanted him to buy the goddamn thing in the first place |
| 00:43.09 | Tekkub | every time he buys computer parts without my input, this shit happens |
| 00:43.21 | Tekkub | so why should I spend a ton of time trying to fix it? |
| 00:44.09 | Tekkub | the last mobo he got without me... BLEW A CAP on the onboard audio |
| 00:45.02 | Gnarfoz | like that's anyone's particular fault |
| 00:45.13 | Gnarfoz | bad caps... whee move along |
| 00:45.29 | Tekkub | bad caps on a bad mobo :P |
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| 00:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2144d5k&s=5 |
| 00:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Man, I have this strong desire to write a nasty OSX WoW keylogger that propogates through some known hole that a careless user didn't patch |
| 00:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Just so I can point at all of the OSX "I'm immune but got hacked anyway, whaaaaaaaaaaa" OSX users out there :P |
| 00:48.47 | NightHawkTheSane | what about us "i've never been hacked..." users? |
| 00:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You may or may not have a clue in your head, and for this I'm sorry |
| 00:50.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I just try to avoid doing stupid things, really |
| 00:51.03 | NightHawkTheSane | also, unrelated: http://komplexify.com/blog/2006/03/09/on-the-proof-of-the-supposed-evilness-of-girls/ |
| 00:51.21 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: why would you do a silly thing like that? :P |
| 00:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: i get myself in enough trouble SAYING stupid things, i don't need to double it. ;) |
| 00:52.07 | Esamynn | haha |
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| 01:02.10 | Seerah | ~seen Maul |
| 01:02.13 | purl | maul <n=maul@catv5403B00C.pool.t-online.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 197d 8h 26m 24s ago, saying: 'and annma'. |
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| 01:44.06 | ShaneSveller | Hi all, I'm having a weird issue with a fresh install of EavesDrop, it is showing *no events* whatsoever. I used to use HitsMode and thought I'd give ED a try instead. Any common issues with it? |
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| 02:04.44 | End | we had 10 healers for naxx25, now we barely have 5 |
| 02:05.44 | Tem | we have 7 players in our raids on the Vanquisher token |
| 02:05.55 | Tem | and we have to pug a healer every week |
| 02:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: we had 17 on Vanq the first time it dropped |
| 02:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: well, 17 who whispered |
| 02:09.04 | Tem | (in a 10man raid) |
| 02:09.17 | Tem | also, jesus 17/25 |
| 02:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You said naxx25 right above that :P |
| 02:09.25 | Tem | no I didn't |
| 02:09.27 | Tem | that was End |
| 02:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | o hey |
| 02:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *oh |
| 02:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | So he did! |
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| 02:16.06 | Seerah | SetNonSpaceWrap says that it tells whether to wrap OR truncate a fontstring. My question is, how do you get it to wrap instead of truncate? Seems I can only do the latter... :( |
| 02:16.33 | Shirik|AFK | I've forgotten how hot it is in Florida, dear god |
| 02:18.37 | Syzgyn | Shirik: How is that something you can forget? |
| 02:19.28 | Thunder_Child | Syzgyn, lobotamy |
| 02:20.03 | Syzgyn | TC: Must be |
| 02:20.24 | Seerah | anyone know about that SetNonSpaceWrap? |
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| 02:20.35 | Olorin | woohoo finally got to 80, now for blacksmithing my pally some new armor |
| 02:20.43 | Seerah | would like to wrap my text without having to put a linebreak in |
| 02:20.47 | Seerah | :) |
| 02:21.02 | Thunder_Child | i'm sure someone does Seerah...somewhere |
| 02:21.25 | Seerah | somewhere... out there... beneath the pale moonlight... |
| 02:21.31 | Shirik|Ecole | (21:20:59) (Thunder_Child) i'm sure someone does Seerah...somewhere |
| 02:21.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Awesome out-of-context chat |
| 02:21.41 | Shirik|Ecole | >.> |
| 02:21.57 | Seerah | ~lart Shirik|Ecole |
| 02:21.57 | purl | installs a bad bootloader on Shirik|Ecole and turns Shirik|Ecole into a brick |
| 02:22.06 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 02:22.16 | Seerah | that after I /comforted you :( |
| 02:22.22 | Shirik|Ecole | didn't work very well |
| 02:24.30 | End | well, let's see how 4horsemen goes in 25man naxx with 5 healers! |
| 02:27.07 | Shirik|Ecole | psh, easy! |
| 02:27.21 | Shirik|Ecole | one healer in back, 2 on one front tank, 2 on other |
| 02:27.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I've been arguing we can probably do it with 3, but not going to tempt fate :P |
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| 02:28.53 | Tewan | Anyone know an alternative to Bigred? |
| 02:29.21 | Cheatcakes | Winterfresh |
| 02:29.34 | Seerah | :P |
| 02:29.40 | Seerah | problems with BigRed? |
| 02:29.50 | Tewan | ._. |
| 02:29.55 | Tewan | Yeah, a lot |
| 02:29.57 | Cheatcakes | :D |
| 02:30.01 | Cheatcakes | D: |
| 02:30.02 | Tewan | It keeps on moving |
| 02:30.13 | Tewan | Every time I play it moves. |
| 02:30.18 | Seerah | mine behaves |
| 02:30.24 | Shirik|Ecole | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play |
| 02:30.34 | Tewan | (not when I login, but after about 10 minutes of gameplay it moves somewhere left or right) |
| 02:30.37 | Seerah | have you tried deleting your saved variables, Tewan? |
| 02:30.42 | Tewan | Seerah, yeah. |
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| 02:30.53 | Tewan | Like this time it moved right about 320px |
| 02:31.00 | Tewan | Normally it just moves left about 40px |
| 02:31.05 | Seerah | Tewan: that's weird. I've never had an issue like that. Does it do it with BigRed being the only addon enabled? |
| 02:31.13 | Tewan | Not sure |
| 02:31.29 | Tewan | I'd rather disable BigRed than disable all my other addons though |
| 02:31.30 | Seerah | that's the only way to know if it's a problem with the addon itself or a conflict |
| 02:31.55 | Seerah | you may just get the same behavior with ErrorMonster |
| 02:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe... PTR is tiny this round |
| 02:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 38 people alliance side that are 80 |
| 02:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 02:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a level 19 twink BG going on there |
| 02:35.18 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 02:35.23 | Tewan | o_o |
| 02:37.23 | Cheatcakes | is there a way to hide or make a texture transparent? |
| 02:37.36 | Syzgyn | Texture:Hide() |
| 02:37.43 | Cheatcakes | lol thanks :D |
| 02:38.14 | Cheatcakes | how about in XML though? like, by default? |
| 02:38.34 | Syzgyn | umm |
| 02:38.37 | Cheatcakes | just like a frame? |
| 02:38.51 | Syzgyn | in the frame <OnShow> put TextureName:Hide() |
| 02:39.03 | Cheatcakes | oh ok |
| 02:39.18 | Cheatcakes | thx |
| 02:41.04 | Seerah | ooohh |
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| 02:42.06 | Syzgyn | Going to see it with all my circus preforming friends |
| 02:44.15 | Feffe | hey people. I've got a help request. I've taken over a guild-related addon from someone who left. It sufferes from the "white chat box/unusable chat box" problem i know a lot of addons did after 3.0. I have 0 luck in finding information about what is causing it. Any help would be appreciated |
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| 02:54.12 | Syzgyn | Seerah: Did you figure out that text wrapping? |
| 02:54.23 | Seerah | nope - do you have an answer for me? :D |
| 02:55.02 | Syzgyn | I believe if you set a width for the textstring, but no height, it will auto-wrap |
| 02:55.32 | Syzgyn | well, you can set a height too, but it has to be atleast 2 lines worth |
| 02:56.30 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString is still up to date for that, I believe |
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| 02:57.04 | Seerah | I had a second SetPoint for it on the right, but that caused it to truncate. I'll try that, thanks, Syzgyn :) |
| 03:00.04 | Syzgyn | :D |
| 03:00.45 | Seerah | didn't come across that page when searching on wowwiki |
| 03:00.54 | Seerah | the wowwiki search leaves some to be desired :( |
| 03:01.05 | Syzgyn | I just use the google search of it :P |
| 03:01.15 | Syzgyn | from the old style |
| 03:02.03 | Seerah | yeah, search got poor when the site changed |
| 03:02.06 | Syzgyn | http://tinyurl.com/7cgpum |
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| 03:03.28 | Aiiane | you don't need a special url, Syzgyn |
| 03:03.35 | Syzgyn | true |
| 03:03.40 | Aiiane | just type your search in normal google, and at the end, add "site:wowwiki.com" |
| 03:03.41 | Syzgyn | but it makes it look pretty :P |
| 03:04.08 | Shirik|Ecole | ninja! |
| 03:04.16 | Syzgyn | afk-hugs! |
| 03:04.54 | Cairenn|afk | I'm always around, or have you guys just forgotten that? |
| 03:05.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I knew ;) |
| 03:05.53 | Aiiane | afk = away from kitten |
| 03:06.00 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
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| 03:07.02 | Buck | hello |
| 03:07.37 | Cairenn|afk | hi |
| 03:07.54 | Buck | I have a quick question maybe you could answer. Newbie type question I think. |
| 03:08.05 | Cairenn|afk | ask away |
| 03:08.12 | Shirik|Ecole | how 2 mine 4 fish |
| 03:08.17 | Buck | haha, no |
| 03:08.42 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 03:08.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm coding, don't hurt my brain! |
| 03:08.52 | Buck | I'm working with the xml and in the name attributes some examples use $parentFrameName |
| 03:09.05 | Buck | what exactly is the purpose of the $parent |
| 03:09.18 | Seerah | that will automagically be replaced with the name of its parent |
| 03:09.19 | Shirik|Ecole | $parent is replaced with the name of the parent frame |
| 03:09.20 | Buck | is it replaced in the lua for uniqueness? |
| 03:09.26 | Buck | ah |
| 03:09.43 | Seerah | so you could have MyModFrame and $parentbutton would become MyModFramebutton |
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| 03:09.59 | Buck | ok |
| 03:10.03 | rivitingone | Anyone know of bottom scanner still exists in auctioneer? |
| 03:10.14 | Buck | so when I call it in lua, I refer to the full name |
| 03:10.26 | Buck | it's kind of like a naming shortcut? |
| 03:10.27 | Shirik|Ecole | read the download page at auctioneeraddon.com, rivitingone |
| 03:12.10 | Syzgyn | Buck: Yes. If you have "$parentButton" as the child of "MyFrame", in lua it'd be "MyFrameButton" |
| 03:12.25 | Syzgyn | in everything actually |
| 03:12.40 | Syzgyn | as soon as it's created, it's name is concatenated and thats it. |
| 03:13.12 | Shirik|Ecole | ~shirik |
| 03:13.13 | purl | [shirik] "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 03:13.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn|afk ^ |
| 03:13.51 | Syzgyn | ~failrik |
| 03:13.52 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:13.55 | Syzgyn | <3 |
| 03:14.03 | Buck | do you guys have any ide preferences? I'm playing with WOW UI Designer. When I loaded in the FrameXML a whole slew of errrors appeard in teh message area. Is that normal? |
| 03:14.36 | Syzgyn | I think most of the people here do all their frame creation work in straight lua |
| 03:14.44 | rivitingone | Ecole: Thanks |
| 03:15.47 | Buck | really? so they have maybe one base core frame that's empty? |
| 03:15.49 | Shirik|Ecole | Buck: I would advise against using it |
| 03:16.02 | Shirik|Ecole | It is generally a good idea to know what you're doing before using shortcuts :) |
| 03:16.23 | Shirik|Ecole | that applies to any language |
| 03:16.40 | Cide | and framework |
| 03:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. new feats of strength on the PTR |
| 03:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | One for killing Prince Tenris Mirkblood and having the Vampiric Batling pet |
| 03:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Another for having an Aqual Quintessence |
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| 03:20.13 | End | ScytheBlade1: old news! |
| 03:20.36 | End | also, 4 horsemen kinda sucks with only 5 healers, but it worked a lot better than I expected |
| 03:20.52 | Buck | say I have an addon that I'm going to have three large areas. one main area with links to all the other areas, one area with lists and another area with an input form. would it be better to put them each in a different frame or would putting them into a single frame but on separate "panels"? |
| 03:22.55 | Syzgyn | Buck: I wouldn't parent anything together if they dont always move together |
| 03:23.45 | Syzgyn | you can associate them in lua however you like though |
| 03:24.54 | Iriel | Common parents are most useful for things that show/hide, scale, or alpha together |
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| 03:25.07 | Iriel | Moving together doesn't really have anything to do with common parents (beyond convention) |
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| 03:26.07 | Syzgyn | True |
| 03:26.16 | Buck | what I want is some buttons to remain common to the rest of the interface (like tabs, but I don't know how to do tabs yet) |
| 03:26.36 | Buck | but I don't want multiple copies of the same buttons on each frame that I have to maintain |
| 03:26.37 | Iriel | You probably want one large frame with those buttons, and then the other panels/tabs as children of that |
| 03:26.46 | Syzgyn | Take a look at how the default UI does it |
| 03:26.50 | Buck | yes, that sounds like what I'm thinking |
| 03:26.54 | Iriel | Then show the 'active' tab, and hide the others |
| 03:26.58 | Cheatcakes | is there any way to change the width and height of a layer with respect to the UI Scale in XML? |
| 03:27.23 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: No, the XML has no awareness of the 'parent' scale |
| 03:27.39 | Cheatcakes | hmmm... |
| 03:27.48 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: You'd need to use an OnLoad (or more usefully, event driven mechanism for when the setting changes) script handler |
| 03:28.13 | Cheatcakes | Iriel: That's what I thought |
| 03:28.26 | Iriel | There are those who might argue that if your frame needs to know what scale it is, you're doing it wrong |
| 03:28.34 | Cheatcakes | how so? |
| 03:28.35 | Iriel | Though there are rare cases when it's actually useful |
| 03:28.40 | Buck | is it better to work with an addon within the wow folders or is it better to keep them separate? is it good to test the mods within the actual game or is there some other type of environment to test with? |
| 03:29.01 | Iriel | well, the point of scale is that the user gets to decide how large/small their windows are |
| 03:29.22 | Olorin | Anyone know if theres plans to add further blacksmithing recepies anytime soon? ie lvl 80 stuff |
| 03:29.25 | Buck | sorry for such blatantly green questions... |
| 03:29.26 | Iriel | Buck: Testing in-game is the only really viable solution, though using a stand-alone lua install to check for syntax errors is helpful |
| 03:29.34 | Buck | cool |
| 03:29.43 | Iriel | Buck: I think most people do their development directly inside their Interface/AddOns folder |
| 03:30.07 | Iriel | Buck: You really should look into using SVN or GIT or some kind of source control system from the start, it's a lifesafer and a great habit to be in |
| 03:30.38 | Iriel | Buck: The only 'gotcha' to know about during development is that new files/images are only visible to WoW after exiting the game completely |
| 03:30.54 | Cheatcakes | Iriel: So, why would worrying about the UI Scale be arguable if one is designing an addon to be used at any UI Scale? |
| 03:31.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And any changes to your .toc file |
| 03:31.44 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: You develop your addon to look reasonable at the default UIScale, and then if the user changes the scale of their whole UI, or uses an addon to change the scale of just your addon, it'll "Just Work" |
| 03:32.10 | Iriel | scale's inherited naturally, a frame's scale is its scale relative to its parent |
| 03:32.45 | Iriel | The only place where scale gets really messy is anchors across varying scale boundaries |
| 03:33.10 | Cheatcakes | Iriel: Well, I'm basically making a picture viewer of sorts, and when I made the (already square) pictures, well, square (via XML), it actually showed the image rectangular |
| 03:33.37 | Iriel | That doesn't sound like a scale issue (scale is constant along both axes) |
| 03:33.46 | Cheatcakes | hmmm |
| 03:33.53 | Iriel | though it could be an anchoring issue, does your viewer have a SINGLE anchor point, and a fixed width and height? |
| 03:34.14 | Cheatcakes | the frame that the texture is in? |
| 03:35.14 | Iriel | whichever one you expected to be square but ended up rectangular |
| 03:35.44 | Cheatcakes | oh, no, not anymore, but it used to be 128px x 128px |
| 03:36.19 | Cheatcakes | but in reality, it made the picture taller than it was wide |
| 03:36.21 | Iriel | So, scale might make that effectively 100x100 or 400x400 or 17.3x17.3, etc, but it'd never be 100x150 |
| 03:36.51 | Buck | thanks for the pointers guys! |
| 03:37.01 | Iriel | but in the presence of multiple anchor points, SetWidth and SetHeight are just preferences |
| 03:37.05 | Cheatcakes | well, the frame has an anchor, and the frame that it's in also has an anchor, I'm assuming that's a problem? |
| 03:37.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Buck* buck = new Buck(); |
| 03:37.26 | Shirik|Ecole | s/Buck()/Buck/ |
| 03:37.29 | Iriel | You should do print(myFrame:GetWidth(), myFrame:GetHeight()) and see how big it really ended up |
| 03:37.39 | Cheatcakes | alright, I'll check that out |
| 03:38.01 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: When I say 'multiple anchors' I mean things like anchoring TOPLEFT and BOTTOMRIGHT (or using SetAllPoints()) |
| 03:38.13 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: if A is anchored to B, and B is anchored to C, that's fine, if it's a single anchor point |
| 03:38.32 | Cheatcakes | yeah, I know that much, but I'll check for it just in case |
| 03:44.06 | Mike-N-Go | Where does the UC zep to NR go? |
| 03:44.25 | NightHawkTheSane | howling fjord. |
| 03:44.57 | Mike-N-Go | What subzone? |
| 03:45.12 | Iriel | Vengeance Landing |
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| 03:45.47 | Zxcvb | are inscription cooldowns usually reset when the servers go down? |
| 03:46.05 | Syzgyn | No |
| 03:46.34 | Syzgyn | tradeskill cooldowns are always independant of server uptime |
| 03:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Most all regular abilities are too |
| 03:47.31 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks |
| 03:48.36 | Zxcvb | wonder why it happened last week then |
| 03:53.02 | Cheatcakes | Iriel: weird, it returns "128, 128" when I print(_G["FaraFrames13Texture"]:GetWidth(),_G["FaraFrames13Texture"]:GetHeight()) |
| 03:53.40 | Iriel | Are you sure your image is actually square? |
| 03:53.59 | Cheatcakes | I made it that way, but I'll double check anyway |
| 03:54.01 | Iriel | Try FaraFrames13Texture:SetTexture(1,0,0) for example |
| 03:54.15 | Iriel | Make sure the actual texture itself is the right shape |
| 03:54.55 | Cheatcakes | it looks like a taller than wide red rectangle |
| 03:55.19 | Iriel | Are you sure your resolution is right for your monitor? |
| 03:55.27 | Iriel | Is your minimap actually a circle? |
| 03:55.41 | Cheatcakes | yes and yes |
| 03:55.45 | Cheatcakes | a circle? |
| 03:55.52 | Cheatcakes | why would that matter? |
| 03:55.57 | Iriel | I..e not taller than it is wide |
| 03:56.32 | Cheatcakes | well now that you mention it...yes, it is taller than it is wide |
| 03:57.04 | Iriel | What's your resolution set to? |
| 03:57.32 | Cheatcakes | 1280x1024 (both in WoW and as my normal screen res) |
| 03:57.52 | Iriel | LCD or CRT? |
| 03:57.55 | Cheatcakes | LCD |
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| 03:58.12 | Iriel | is that its native resolution? |
| 03:58.23 | Cheatcakes | native as in...? |
| 03:58.26 | Cheatcakes | normal? |
| 03:58.55 | Iriel | all LCD monitors have a native/standard/best resolution |
| 03:59.00 | Iriel | the number of ACTUAL pixels |
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| 03:59.37 | Cheatcakes | hmmm I suppose I oughta look it up |
| 03:59.47 | Iriel | what's the make/model? |
| 03:59.59 | Thrae | Cheatcakes: What's the highest it goes? Is it a 19" LCD? |
| 04:00.05 | Cheatcakes | 19" LCD |
| 04:00.12 | Cheatcakes | IC Power |
| 04:00.24 | Thrae | Yeah, a lot of 19" LCD have a max of 1280x1024, I'm using one right now as my 2nd monitor. |
| 04:00.31 | Cheatcakes | ditto |
| 04:01.41 | Cheatcakes | it's not sold anywhere, but it's still advertised on Walmart: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3321518 |
| 04:02.23 | Iriel | That doesn't give any indication that it shouldn't have square pixels... |
| 04:02.27 | Iriel | wierd |
| 04:02.41 | Iriel | Is it hooked up with DVI or VGA? |
| 04:02.45 | Cheatcakes | DVI |
| 04:02.50 | Thrae | Cheatcakes: What's your global scale? |
| 04:03.08 | Cheatcakes | global scale? we talking the UI scale? |
| 04:03.16 | Thrae | Yes, the global UI scale. |
| 04:03.50 | Cheatcakes | well, the check box is unchecked for "Use UI Scale" but I'm pretty sure it's about 0.9 |
| 04:03.50 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: Can you take a screenshot of the non-square red box, and post it somewhere? |
| 04:03.51 | Cheatcakes | sure |
| 04:04.34 | Thrae | Cheatcakes: See what UIParent:GetScale() returns. WoW will adjust the scale even if you don't have that checked if it finds an aspect ratio it's not optimized for, and I'm not sure what it's optimized for. |
| 04:04.51 | Iriel | Thrae: That wouldn't explain why his 'square' is not square |
| 04:05.00 | Iriel | the UIScale just makes things a different size, not a different shape |
| 04:05.14 | Cheatcakes | yep, it returns 0.8999999 ish |
| 04:05.18 | Thrae | Iriel: Is UIParent always set to the CVar, or can they be different? |
| 04:05.39 | Iriel | You can manually override it |
| 04:06.10 | Thrae | Iriel: Well I know I had all kinds of weird shape problems with both WoW and WAR at 2560x1600, and had to adjust my UI Scale to compensate. WoW is more polished now though, used to be a mess. |
| 04:07.04 | Iriel | But the UIScale applies EVENLY to X and Y |
| 04:07.16 | Iriel | It's not like you say scale vertically by 0.9 and horizontally by 0.86 |
| 04:07.47 | Iriel | Which isn't to say they couldn't have broken it 8-) |
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| 04:08.34 | Iriel | Anyway, if we can get a screenshot I can look at it on both of my monitors |
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| 04:12.05 | Cheatcakes | sorry, I'm having some technical difficulties |
| 04:12.10 | Iriel | np |
| 04:12.12 | Cheatcakes | (if you couldn't tell... lol) |
| 04:13.19 | Iriel | I'm discovering the secrets of Thor Modan |
| 04:14.04 | Shirik|Ecole | you know what's scary as hell? |
| 04:14.23 | Shirik|Ecole | Logging into your server, running top, and seeing "python" running as root near the top when you have no python scripts installed |
| 04:14.31 | Shirik|Ecole | Apparently fail2ban uses python >.> |
| 04:14.53 | Cide | how is seeing python running bad? |
| 04:15.05 | Cide | it probably increased your computer's performance by about 10^26 % |
| 04:15.08 | Shirik|Ecole | as root? When you never use python? |
| 04:15.32 | Cide | running as root just gives it more possible ways to do good. |
| 04:15.42 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart Cide |
| 04:15.43 | purl | pushes the wall down onto Cide whilst whistling innocently |
| 04:16.05 | Iriel | Shirik: That would worry me also |
| 04:18.00 | Shirik|Ecole | off to mcdonalds |
| 04:18.01 | Shirik|Ecole | bbl! |
| 04:18.05 | Iriel | Ew |
| 04:18.12 | Shirik|AFK | That's what Cidan said |
| 04:18.25 | Shirik|AFK | but not much choice at this time of night! |
| 04:18.44 | Iriel | No Jack in the box? |
| 04:18.49 | Shirik|AFK | wtf is jack in the box? |
| 04:19.30 | Shirik|AFK | afk, hungry, no time to wait for response ^_^ |
| 04:20.22 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a less shitty fast food |
| 04:20.32 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: Thanks, that's a reasonable description |
| 04:20.46 | Iriel | I'm a fan of the chicken teryaki bowls |
| 04:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i'd go so far to say it's one of the better fast foods ive had, in general |
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| 04:21.59 | Cheatcakes2 | wow, that was weird |
| 04:22.13 | Cheatcakes2 | ok I'm back, anything exciting happen? |
| 04:22.36 | Iriel | We discovered Shirik has never heard of Jack in the Box |
| 04:22.38 | Iriel | otherwise, no |
| 04:22.43 | Cheatcakes2 | :O |
| 04:23.01 | Cheatcakes2 | were you able to take a look at the screenshot/code? |
| 04:23.47 | Iriel | I didn't see either? |
| 04:23.54 | Cheatcakes2 | or did that msg go through? |
| 04:24.03 | Cheatcakes2 | k sec |
| 04:24.28 | Cheatcakes2 | http://nerdyheart.mine.nu/FaraFrames/Untitled.jpg is the screenshot |
| 04:24.41 | Cheatcakes2 | you should be able to browse the directory it's in to see my code |
| 04:27.14 | Cheatcakes2 | http://nerdyheart.mine.nu/FaraFrames/FaraFrames4.xml is where I specify the 128 x 128 frame size |
| 04:28.05 | Iriel | What do you get for print(UIParent:GetRect()) ? |
| 04:28.16 | Cheatcakes2 | lemme check |
| 04:28.31 | Sargeras_ | I get ??? |
| 04:28.32 | Sargeras_ | =D |
| 04:28.51 | Iriel | Sargeras_: you're not helping u-) |
| 04:28.53 | Iriel | 8-) even |
| 04:29.02 | Sargeras_ | I konw |
| 04:29.06 | Sargeras_ | know* |
| 04:29.13 | Cheatcakes2 | 0, 0, 1066.6667, 853.3333 |
| 04:33.08 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: And the red is the result of calling FaraFrames13Texture:SetTexture(1,0,0) ? |
| 04:33.59 | Cheatcakes2 | yes |
| 04:35.43 | Iriel | Humor me a moment and do this |
| 04:35.48 | Cheatcakes2 | k |
| 04:36.50 | Iriel | - /run YY = FaraFrames13:CreateTexture(); YY:ClearAllPoints(); YY:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", FaraFrames13Texture, "TOPLEFT"); YY:SetWidth(128); YY:SetHeight(128); YY:SetTexture(1,1,1); YY:Show(); |
| 04:38.47 | Shirik|AFK | ok, Iriel, I went to wendy's instead of mcdonald's |
| 04:38.50 | Shirik|AFK | is that better? |
| 04:39.03 | Iriel | MUCH |
| 04:39.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 04:39.16 | Cheatcakes2 | I don't notice anything |
| 04:39.22 | Cheatcakes2 | it's as if nothing happened |
| 04:39.45 | Iriel | Hm... |
| 04:39.51 | Iriel | Did I mess up the syntax there I wonder |
| 04:39.52 | Shirik|Ecole | mcdonald's doesn't have triple cheeseburgers rawr |
| 04:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | mm.. triple heart attack combo, subbing chili for for fries |
| 04:41.32 | Cheatcakes2 | well I put it into my WowLua Editor (addon for WoW) and had no errors |
| 04:43.15 | Syzgyn | Shirik: BACONATOR! |
| 04:43.19 | Iriel | Cheatcakes2: What if you do /run YY:SetWidth(150)YY:SetHeight(150) ? does it peek out from under the red one? |
| 04:43.43 | End | Iriel is determined to figure this out |
| 04:44.09 | Cheatcakes2 | ah, now I see a white square around my texture |
| 04:45.22 | Tekkub | lol curse go down the hole |
| 04:45.22 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know of an addon that allows non lead/assist party members put marks on targets? |
| 04:46.08 | Tekkub | can't be done :P |
| 04:46.16 | Cide | sure it can |
| 04:46.18 | Syzgyn | It could |
| 04:46.23 | Cide | addon message to lead/assist |
| 04:46.27 | Syzgyn | It'd be a pain though |
| 04:46.32 | Iriel | This just makes no sense, 1066 x 853 is the same ratio as 1280 x 1024, the screenshot is 1280 x 1024, but that box is not square |
| 04:46.43 | Tekkub | Cide, and what if he's not targeting it? |
| 04:47.01 | Tekkub | or can you assign to any unitid? |
| 04:47.06 | Syzgyn | you can |
| 04:47.21 | Tekkub | ah, well that still sounds like an icky solution |
| 04:47.26 | Tekkub | just give them lead |
| 04:47.34 | Syzgyn | yeah, but its possible :P |
| 04:47.35 | Cide | ^ |
| 04:47.38 | Mike-N-Go | I thought I read an addon description once about a mod that did this, but I forgot the name. |
| 04:47.47 | Cide | promote them. |
| 04:48.27 | Mike-N-Go | How about in a 5 man party, non raid? |
| 04:48.44 | Tekkub | give them lead |
| 04:48.51 | Tekkub | seriously you're overcomplicating it |
| 04:49.05 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: You think that about most everything. |
| 04:49.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Syzgyn: Baconator has this strange sauce I don't like |
| 04:49.21 | Tekkub | well I do strive for the simplest solution always |
| 04:49.29 | Tekkub | don't write an addon when you don't need it |
| 04:49.44 | Tekkub | Shirik, ketchup only, always |
| 04:50.03 | Shirik|Ecole | eew |
| 04:50.05 | Shirik|Ecole | no ketchup |
| 04:50.09 | Tekkub | never get the "special sauce" ... it's just a way for them to use leftover pickle juice and old mayo |
| 04:50.13 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 04:50.21 | Tekkub | make them fucking PAY for their condiments |
| 04:50.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I always get lettuce only |
| 04:50.41 | Tekkub | eew |
| 04:50.44 | Tekkub | no greens |
| 04:50.46 | Syzgyn | Shirik: Sad, it's sooo gooood |
| 04:51.16 | Syzgyn | Ketchup on Burgers, Mayo on Chicken |
| 04:51.29 | Tekkub | mayo is the worst |
| 04:51.33 | Cheatcakes2 | Iriel: so, what'dya think? worry bout the UI scale or not? |
| 04:51.39 | Tekkub | chicken is BBQ or plain |
| 04:51.54 | Syzgyn | grilled chicken is, of course |
| 04:51.59 | Syzgyn | fried is mayo |
| 04:52.08 | Tekkub | fried is still bbq |
| 04:52.21 | Syzgyn | That can work I guess |
| 04:52.23 | Tekkub | in fact it's more bbq required than grilled |
| 04:52.33 | Syzgyn | nah |
| 04:52.38 | Tekkub | otherwise you taste the crap they cooked in the frier before the chicken |
| 04:52.38 | Iriel | Cheatcakes2: Oh, one last test |
| 04:52.46 | Syzgyn | the other chicken? |
| 04:52.56 | Cheatcakes2 | k |
| 04:52.59 | Tekkub | usually the onion rings /barf |
| 04:53.00 | Iriel | YY:SetAlpha(0.1); YY:SetAllPoints(nil); print(YY:GetRect()) |
| 04:53.08 | Iriel | then you'll probably want YY:Hide() 8-) |
| 04:53.16 | Syzgyn | I'd be suprised if that was the case |
| 04:53.23 | Tekkub | SetAllPoints(nil)? |
| 04:53.29 | Syzgyn | I guess my tastebuds arent sensitive enough :P |
| 04:53.51 | Tekkub | that could be, it's the ones who can't taste shit that like mayo |
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| 04:54.03 | Iriel | Tekkub: nil is the 'screen' |
| 04:54.04 | Tekkub | cause they can't taste what it really tastes like ^^ |
| 04:54.17 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 04:54.18 | Tekkub | Iriel, and UIParent wouldn't work? |
| 04:54.27 | Tekkub | it'd make more sense reading it |
| 04:54.28 | Iriel | I'm worried something might have re-anchored it |
| 04:54.34 | Tekkub | oh |
| 04:54.38 | Iriel | We already checked UIParent anyway |
| 04:54.42 | Tekkub | that's... a scary thought |
| 04:55.51 | Cheatcakes2 | wow, that made the whole screen get lighter |
| 04:55.59 | Cheatcakes2 | like I upped the contrast or something |
| 04:56.23 | Tekkub | I hope we get 3.0.8 tomorrow |
| 04:56.40 | Tekkub | I want to roll a tauren DK on another server so I can make an ally one on my server to actually play |
| 04:56.42 | Iriel | Cheatcakes2: You just streched a white texture over the whole thing |
| 04:56.49 | Iriel | Cheatcakes2: So what did the print return? |
| 04:56.50 | Tekkub | but I need the tauren one to test stuff |
| 04:57.18 | Cheatcakes2 | same thing as it did before |
| 04:57.30 | Iriel | I deleted my tauren DK because I thought the helmet looked silly |
| 04:57.48 | Cheatcakes2 | random question: how do I delete a guild? |
| 04:57.53 | Tekkub | Too bad Kaelten|away isn't here, I want to make fun of him |
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| 04:58.03 | WobWork | is there a /gdisband ? |
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| 04:58.12 | Cheatcakes2 | thank god |
| 04:58.13 | WobWork | or just gquit it as the final person |
| 04:58.16 | Cheatcakes2 | lol thanks :D |
| 04:58.23 | Iriel | Oops.; 8-) |
| 04:58.54 | Iriel | So err, same numbers.. Then i'm honestly puzzled |
| 04:59.29 | Cheatcakes2 | so, it obviously isn't supposed to make a rectangle then? |
| 04:59.40 | Cheatcakes2 | I thought it was just a UI Scale thing |
| 05:00.23 | Cheatcakes2 | and just so you know... I double checked my minimap and it is a circle, not an oval, my eyes must've decieved me |
| 05:00.35 | Iriel | Well, assuming that the white texture that peeked out from under the red one earlier was just as vertically stretched as the red one, then I dont really know why it's bing strange. |
| 05:00.36 | Iriel | being |
| 05:00.49 | Cheatcakes2 | just a sec |
| 05:00.56 | Cheatcakes2 | lemme show you what I was seeing |
| 05:01.43 | Cheatcakes2 | the white part is a square it turns out |
| 05:01.55 | Cheatcakes2 | lemme doublecheck |
| 05:01.56 | Cheatcakes2 | lol |
| 05:02.17 | Cheatcakes2 | yep, definitely a square |
| 05:02.22 | Cheatcakes2 | so what's you do different? |
| 05:02.25 | Cheatcakes2 | *what'd |
| 05:02.41 | Iriel | I wonder if you've been messing with SetTexCoords |
| 05:02.46 | Cheatcakes2 | yep |
| 05:02.49 | Cheatcakes2 | sure have :S |
| 05:02.56 | Cheatcakes2 | *slaps hand |
| 05:03.09 | Cheatcakes2 | (how do emotes here work? lol) |
| 05:03.30 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.50 | Cheatcakes2 | (thanks) |
| 05:04.24 | Iriel | BEFORE you start calling SetTexCoords, you might consider SetTexCoordModifiesRect(false) on the the texture |
| 05:07.15 | Cheatcakes2 | k I'll try that |
| 05:07.48 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.04 | Iriel | Probably not 8-) |
| 05:09.13 | Iriel | I'm not sure how it might behave if you're in a party |
| 05:09.15 | Tekkub | you're always in your party and raid |
| 05:09.22 | Tekkub | you need to test the number of others |
| 05:09.28 | Arrowmaster | youre always in a party but not a raid |
| 05:09.47 | Tekkub | er, yea it's just party |
| 05:09.57 | Tekkub | raid makes quest items not drop, duh |
| 05:10.00 | |Jelly| | Reason I ask is because this (even when coming up nil in a /print) is still sending the message. http://www.pastey.net/105640 |
| 05:10.10 | Arrowmaster | GetNumRaidMembers() > 0 is usually the better way to do it though |
| 05:10.28 | |Jelly| | I changed it to that, and it still acted the same. |
| 05:10.38 | Tekkub | then you're in a raid? |
| 05:10.45 | |Jelly| | No |
| 05:10.56 | |Jelly| | I've done it out of party, in party and in raid. It worked in all three. |
| 05:11.04 | Arrowmaster | is that for a macro? |
| 05:11.05 | Iriel | print() is much shorter than DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage by the way |
| 05:11.32 | |Jelly| | Arrowmaster: No, an "addon" that I'm writing for pugs cause well, talking on Vent makes me want to cut sometimes. |
| 05:11.59 | Tekkub | ah pulling global funcs into locals when you don't need the speed increase, and then creating a global function for your own shit |
| 05:12.02 | Tekkub | classic |
| 05:12.22 | Arrowmaster | well doing UnitInRaid("player") outside of the function like that wont work, it will evaluate it once and use that value every time the function is called |
| 05:12.27 | |Jelly| | ah Tekkub being a douchbag |
| 05:12.29 | |Jelly| | classic |
| 05:12.53 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:12.55 | Tekkub | why not just make a macro for it? |
| 05:13.08 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.15 | |Jelly| | Because there's 13 bosses in Naxx |
| 05:13.16 | Tekkub | simple soultion! yatta! |
| 05:13.30 | Tekkub | so don't say the boss name |
| 05:13.55 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.46 | Tekkub | add "in the nuts" to it |
| 05:14.50 | Tekkub | even better |
| 05:15.00 | Tekkub | most useful macro ever, except I don't use vent |
| 05:15.51 | Syzgyn | I hate people who app to my guild and dont ever talk in vent |
| 05:16.56 | Tekkub | why? |
| 05:17.03 | Tekkub | I hate people that DO talk on vent |
| 05:17.07 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:17.17 | Tekkub | vent for raid leading, keyboard for chat |
| 05:17.28 | Tekkub | fucking nerd phone sex party line... |
| 05:17.28 | Syzgyn | if you're in a raiding guild that uses vent, you should be ready to use it if necessary |
| 05:17.31 | Syzgyn | oh, I agree |
| 05:17.39 | Syzgyn | I'm not saying you have to chat it up |
| 05:17.44 | Torhal | Raid + vent when raid leader isn't only person talking == hate |
| 05:17.50 | Tekkub | I will use it, in raids, until it turns into chitchat, then I leave |
| 05:18.03 | Tekkub | and they never notice... |
| 05:18.05 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:18.17 | Syzgyn | vent is mostly used to lead the bads |
| 05:18.23 | Syzgyn | but it is useful |
| 05:18.24 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 05:18.38 | Tekkub | do your job, do it well, and they don't notice you |
| 05:19.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I used to be in a guild where it was forbidden to talk in vent except by raid leaders unless you were directly addressed |
| 05:19.10 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:19.13 | Shirik|Ecole | failure to comply = bye bye |
| 05:19.18 | Tekkub | oh god that sounds wonderful |
| 05:19.37 | Tekkub | I assume in-combat emergencies were allowed of course? |
| 05:19.46 | Syzgyn | I know I talk too much in vent during encounters, but I'm a raid leader, so :P |
| 05:19.50 | Shirik|Ecole | in general, no, actually |
| 05:20.05 | Syzgyn | see, those emergencies are what vent is best for |
| 05:20.08 | Shirik|Ecole | the officers were good enough to find them, usually; too many people complaining about an emergency = no more understanding vent |
| 05:20.13 | Tekkub | too bad I'll never take a leadership spot again |
| 05:20.20 | Tekkub | I'd love to be vent nazi |
| 05:20.24 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:20.27 | Tekkub | I fucking hate voice chat to no end |
| 05:20.38 | Shirik|Ecole | emergencies go to the appropriate channels in chat |
| 05:20.53 | Tain | I wouldn't have been able to get through raids if it weren't for my drunken diatribes in Vent. |
| 05:20.59 | Shirik|Ecole | in general most people had bindings set up to talk to their groups, though |
| 05:21.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I know the healers had set up a bind to talk to all healers |
| 05:21.12 | Syzgyn | How hardcore a guild was this? |
| 05:21.27 | Shirik|Ecole | pretty hardcore |
| 05:21.33 | Arrowmaster | so how the fuck am i still on gtalk when i dont have it open? |
| 05:21.40 | Shirik|Ecole | blackberry |
| 05:21.41 | Tekkub | gmail? |
| 05:21.41 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 05:21.48 | Arrowmaster | its gmail |
| 05:21.59 | Arrowmaster | but i dont have the page open anymore |
| 05:21.59 | Tekkub | gmail takes a bit to timeout I think |
| 05:22.02 | Syzgyn | It's tough to get away with that kind of suppression if you're not some of the best |
| 05:22.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive been logged in for like an hour now |
| 05:22.19 | Tekkub | unless you explicitly log out, and who does that on web pages? |
| 05:22.21 | Shirik|Ecole | Syzgyn: I'd love to go back to that |
| 05:22.26 | Arrowmaster | it says its the TalkGadget |
| 05:22.26 | Syzgyn | Sorry Arrowmaster, I'll log out of your account now. |
| 05:22.40 | Arrowmaster | i did explicitly logout |
| 05:22.54 | Tekkub | okey then yea, you're just fucked |
| 05:22.55 | Arrowmaster | because im fucking with my schools new google docs setup |
| 05:22.57 | Tekkub | buy a mac |
| 05:22.59 | Shirik|Ecole | NO |
| 05:23.02 | Shirik|Ecole | NONONONONONONONO |
| 05:23.12 | Shirik|Ecole | don't succumb to the evil! |
| 05:23.20 | Syzgyn | hahaha |
| 05:23.25 | Shirik|Ecole | Tekkub, have you seen the new mac? |
| 05:23.39 | Tekkub | *cry* yesterday no perfect cuts... today 3 of the same one |
| 05:23.41 | Arrowmaster | and im pissed because i cant access my new gmail based school email address via IMAP, and cant access my new gtalk account via any client other than the webapp |
| 05:23.43 | Tekkub | every damn time |
| 05:23.47 | Shirik|Ecole | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary |
| 05:23.57 | Shirik|Ecole | Macbook wheel |
| 05:24.02 | Tekkub | Shirik|Ecole, uh, no, since I'm not willing to pay apple's prices I kinda don't care |
| 05:24.06 | Syzgyn | That video was so much win. |
| 05:24.11 | Tekkub | oh, onion |
| 05:24.21 | Tekkub | damnit, video, well screw that |
| 05:24.25 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 05:24.33 | Syzgyn | thats right, no flash for tekkub |
| 05:26.16 | Shirik|Ecole | too bad Tekkub |
| 05:26.18 | Shirik|Ecole | that video is pretty win |
| 05:26.26 | Tekkub | yea yea launched FF |
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| 05:27.31 | Tekkub | "And not just dicking around" perfect |
| 05:28.09 | Iriel | That video is definitely win |
| 05:28.23 | Arrowmaster | 1 4 or 9 victims next |
| 05:33.19 | Syzgyn | Man, I had forgotten how much fun Rollercoaster Tycoon was. |
| 05:35.51 | Thunder_Child | yes Shirik, and we me the person that 'does' Seerah |
| 05:36.00 | Thunder_Child | s/me/met/ |
| 05:36.23 | Seerah | :P |
| 05:36.47 | Shirik|Ecole | >< |
| 05:37.06 | Seerah | you boys are awful |
| 05:37.14 | Thunder_Child | this cant be new to you |
| 05:37.17 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't say anything! |
| 05:37.25 | Thunder_Child | if it is you do not deserve the internets |
| 05:37.25 | Shirik|Ecole | All I did was take one simple line and copy and paste it |
| 05:37.26 | Shirik|Ecole | that's it! |
| 05:37.41 | Thunder_Child | and say something about out-of-context |
| 05:37.43 | Seerah | I didn't say it was new, TC ;) merely stating a fact :) |
| 05:38.02 | Shirik|Ecole | shh Thunder_Child, I'm trying to make Seerah not kill me |
| 05:38.21 | Thunder_Child | there are worse ways to go Shirik|Ecole |
| 05:38.30 | Thunder_Child | Seerah, fact shmact |
| 05:38.32 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn|afk already wants to kill me |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't need Seerah on my evil side too |
| 05:38.50 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk: hates us all |
| 05:38.55 | Thunder_Child | s/:// |
| 05:39.59 | Cairenn|afk | :( |
| 05:40.06 | Cheatcakes2 | he's not carin' :D |
| 05:40.25 | Cairenn|afk | "he" is a "she", thank you very kindly :p |
| 05:40.31 | Thunder_Child | in theory |
| 05:40.39 | Thunder_Child | oh wait...we met Cairenn|afk, damn |
| 05:40.44 | Thunder_Child | cant say that |
| 05:40.51 | Cairenn|afk | :p |
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| 05:41.59 | Seerah | see? awful |
| 05:42.02 | Seerah | :) |
| 05:42.33 | Thunder_Child | yes Seerah Cairenn|afk is isnt she |
| 05:42.45 | Thunder_Child | s/h/h,/ |
| 05:43.03 | Seerah | proper punctuation helps :P |
| 05:43.05 | Shirik|Ecole | that is a prime example of why commas are important |
| 05:43.11 | Shirik|Ecole | I was like "what the hell does that mean" |
| 05:43.15 | Seerah | me too |
| 05:43.26 | Seerah | should be a comma between is and isn't, too, I think |
| 05:43.26 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 05:43.29 | Cairenn|afk | newbs, I was able to read it just fine |
| 05:43.33 | Shirik|Ecole | yes Seerah :P |
| 05:43.38 | Thunder_Child | I FIXED IT, SUUSH! |
| 05:43.38 | Shirik|Ecole | and apostrophe! |
| 05:43.43 | Thunder_Child | SHHUSH! |
| 05:43.46 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 05:43.47 | Arrowmaster | omg Shirik! |
| 05:43.50 | Shirik|Ecole | And capitalize "Yes" |
| 05:44.03 | Arrowmaster | why didnt you tell me i could get free XNA through msdn |
| 05:44.11 | Shirik|Ecole | XNA? |
| 05:44.18 | Thunder_Child | it's the new DNA |
| 05:44.19 | Arrowmaster | xbox thingy |
| 05:44.25 | Shirik|Ecole | o |
| 05:44.28 | Shirik|Ecole | can I? |
| 05:44.32 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 05:45.45 | Shirik|Ecole | know what category it's under by any chance? |
| 05:46.11 | Arrowmaster | no i just saw it at the bottem of the dropdown |
| 05:46.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I found "Windows DNA XML" is that it? >.> |
| 05:46.28 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:46.42 | Shirik|Ecole | there's way too many options |
| 05:48.04 | Arrowmaster | maybe its msdnaa only |
| 05:48.08 | Arrowmaster | its named 'XNA Creators Club Online Academic Subscription' |
| 05:48.13 | AnduinLothar | oh man... priest got unlucky and died ont he first loken lightening blast stayed angel form through the 2nd and everyone died on the third except prot me. i soloed him dead with 350hp left |
| 05:48.20 | AnduinLothar | was epic. wish i had been frapsing |
| 05:49.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/xna/default.aspx ? |
| 05:49.12 | Shirik|Ecole | don't see anything like that Arrowmaster |
| 05:49.43 | Arrowmaster | maybe you dont get it |
| 05:50.05 | Shirik|Ecole | strange though, because usually even those things I don't get I can see |
| 05:51.12 | Arrowmaster | wonder if i should use this key now or save it |
| 05:51.19 | Arrowmaster | its only good for 12 months |
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| 05:55.29 | Arrowmaster | for some reason i have this urge to try and compile nethack for the 360 now |
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| 06:00.24 | AbsolutRayne | :| |
| 06:04.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Arrowmaster, heh |
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| 06:12.45 | Cairenn|afk | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A |
| 06:16.46 | sacarasc | old |
| 06:16.47 | Cairenn|afk | this one is pretty cute - whoever the singer is, he's actually got a pretty good voice: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=jDu-1N1hqKM&feature=channel |
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| 06:17.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 06:25.55 | Syzgyn | haha, I love the night elf ears each time |
| 06:27.53 | WobWork | hehe Oxhorn is great |
| 06:29.58 | NightHawkTheSane | john cusack is my hero |
| 06:30.00 | Thunder_Child | au Cairenn|afk? for shame |
| 06:30.12 | Cairenn|afk | ? |
| 06:30.16 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, War, Inc. is awesome |
| 06:30.23 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk, your links are au |
| 06:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: duly noted. |
| 06:32.48 | Cairenn|afk | You are aware that I have absolutely no idea what you are blathering on about, Thunder_Child, yes? |
| 06:33.29 | End | aussie youtube I think? |
| 06:33.36 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 06:33.39 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.42 | Thunder_Child | yes, ty end |
| 06:33.42 | End | I assume that's what au.youtube.com means |
| 06:33.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ yes |
| 06:34.08 | Cairenn|afk | I went to youtube.com, those were the links that came up when I searched for the videos |
| 06:34.50 | NightHawkTheSane | no one but Thunder_Child cares, i bet |
| 06:36.07 | Thunder_Child | i dont care NightHawkTheSane, i'm just bored |
| 06:55.36 | Taladris | !wowalert |
| 06:57.23 | Tem | Shirik, fix your damn bot |
| 06:57.28 | Tem | !serveralert |
| 06:57.37 | Tem | !wowalert us |
| 06:57.43 | Tem | !serveralert us |
| 06:57.46 | Tem | screw it |
| 07:00.48 | End | ~fail Shiibot |
| 07:00.49 | purl | Shiibot: FAIL! |
| 07:01.04 | NightHawkTheSane | "No woman in the world is having better sex than the sex you are having with Ian, in my head." |
| 07:02.38 | Corrodias | i like this concept. |
| 07:03.43 | Stanzilla | ~wowalert |
| 07:03.44 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 07:03.53 | Stanzilla | Tem: ^ |
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| 07:25.27 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* i'm watching the haiku version of a rap battle |
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| 08:12.13 | Tekkub | muahahaha |
| 08:12.17 | Tekkub | I love my job |
| 08:12.49 | Tekkub | bug report: "full detail" on this report doesn't do anything, the icon just spins |
| 08:13.11 | Tekkub | now, when the server has an error, it never tells the client, so the indicator just goes forever... |
| 08:13.32 | Tekkub | so I spend 2 hours fixing that so they get a friendly "error generating report" |
| 08:13.59 | Tekkub | then I sit down to fix the ACTUAL error... and it simply takes adding "r." in one spot in the code |
| 08:14.04 | Tekkub | *evil grin* |
| 08:14.51 | Tekkub | $50 for two chars... |
| 08:16.29 | Syzgyn | Nice |
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| 08:18.21 | Tekkub | well, okey, they get a lot more than 2 chars... but he only asked me for 2 :) |
| 08:26.16 | Dewin | Is there a way to link to a specific post on wowinterface? |
| 08:26.41 | Dewin | I'm not seeing one |
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| 08:32.29 | mikma | does castsequence accept [target=pet] ? |
| 08:32.45 | nevcairiel | no, sequences dont allow target changes |
| 08:32.54 | nevcairiel | they dont allow any conditional casting, iirc |
| 08:33.11 | Tekkub | you can target the entire sequence, can't you? |
| 08:33.16 | Tekkub | you just can't CHANGE it |
| 08:33.17 | Maldivia | they do, it just applies to all spells in the sequence, and not the individual ones |
| 08:33.29 | mikma | hmm that won't do :P |
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| 08:33.46 | nevcairiel | use cog|away's sequence replacement |
| 08:33.49 | mikma | was hoping i could do a /cast [target=pet] Misdirection; /cast Steady Shot -macro |
| 08:33.50 | nevcairiel | MacroSequence |
| 08:34.20 | Tekkub | uh, do two /casts and deal with the errors? |
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| 08:34.34 | mikma | tekkub: the macro won't progress at all |
| 08:34.42 | mikma | it just keeps saying spell is not ready |
| 08:34.49 | nevcairiel | you did something wrong then |
| 08:34.55 | nevcairiel | it usually skips spells on cooldown |
| 08:35.02 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.03 | nevcairiel | or does it? |
| 08:35.16 | Tekkub | I thought it tried both, but errored on the one |
| 08:35.31 | nevcairiel | I know it skips spells without GCD that are on cooldown |
| 08:35.39 | nevcairiel | i never tried anything with 2 real spells |
| 08:36.01 | nevcairiel | probably intended, you dont want to spam one macro using all your spells if ready |
| 08:36.36 | Tekkub | I always just had a generic MD macro... /cast [target=focus,exists,help] [target=pet] Misdirection |
| 08:37.08 | m3lin | Mine is a bit more complex |
| 08:37.15 | mikma | doesn't seem to work :I |
| 08:37.29 | mikma | my friend just tested. just keeps erroring and doesn't progress |
| 08:38.14 | Dewin | Tekkub: That's genius. I need that. |
| 08:38.14 | m3lin | mikma you have a pet out? |
| 08:38.35 | Dewin | I just have /cast [target=focus] Misdirection. Annoyed that every time I mount I lose my focus if I'm /focusing my pet |
| 08:38.56 | Tekkub | yea, have the focus just for groups, always fall back to pet |
| 08:39.11 | AnduinLothar | :) /auc getall = 2.5min full scan |
| 08:39.17 | Dewin | is a Wowi moderator around? |
| 08:39.24 | Dewin | I love /auc getall |
| 08:39.52 | AnduinLothar | i overclocked by system from 2.66 to 3.2Ghz, so i'm playing with fast things. t's fun |
| 08:40.18 | m3lin | Dewin I have: cast [target=target,exists,help] [target=focus,exists,help] [target=targettarget,exists,help] [target=pet,exists] Misdirection |
| 08:40.26 | mikma | m3lin: yes |
| 08:40.27 | Thunder_Child | fast computer, fast cars, fast women |
| 08:40.41 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 08:40.50 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.04 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 08:41.16 | AnduinLothar | yeah it's the processign that takes all the time |
| 08:41.40 | AnduinLothar | they could definitely multi-thread it too |
| 08:41.56 | AnduinLothar | not sure it would matter tho |
| 08:42.22 | Dewin | m3lin: That'd make it dangerously easy for me to accidentally MD a healer ;) |
| 08:42.23 | foxlit | You can has no threads. |
| 08:42.37 | AnduinLothar | considering lua onyl runs in one thread anyway |
| 08:42.51 | Thunder_Child | ~fail foxlit x2 |
| 08:42.52 | purl | You suck at everything in life, foxlit x2. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:44.29 | m3lin | Dewin if your healer aggros over a tank.. either your tank or the healer is doing something wrong |
| 08:44.58 | m3lin | Dewin Im using the macro when raiding.. and I keep the tank in focus |
| 08:45.06 | m3lin | and focus goes prio to targettarget |
| 08:45.30 | m3lin | when out soloing, I focus my pet |
| 08:46.43 | Dewin | m3lin: I focus the tank when raiding as wel |
| 08:46.48 | Dewin | I just don't want to rely on targettarget ;) |
| 08:46.58 | Dewin | focus and if no focus pet is fine |
| 08:47.19 | Dewin | if I accidentally MD my pet in a raid and he actually pulls threat, there are big issues. And it's not likely the raid will wipe if I kill my pet. |
| 08:47.24 | m3lin | you can also add a failsafe to focus the pet if no focus and target is hostile |
| 08:47.43 | Dewin | [target=focus] [target=pet] will work for me I think |
| 08:47.52 | Dewin | well target=focus,exists |
| 08:48.04 | m3lin | add a target=target too, so you can MD on anyone by choice |
| 08:48.13 | Dewin | I have a separate MD macro for that if needed |
| 08:48.15 | m3lin | sometimes you might need to MD on the offtank |
| 08:48.23 | Dewin | I usually just type /focus <name> really fast |
| 08:48.52 | Dewin | What's the proper etiquette for posting a bugfix patch for an addon that hasn't seen it's original author since... November-ish. |
| 08:49.03 | Dewin | I don't desire to become the actual maintainer of the addon itself. |
| 08:49.10 | m3lin | hmm.. wonder how macro for: focus target, if friendly - if not or not existing, focus pet (if existing) - would look like :P |
| 08:49.32 | m3lin | upload it as just that |
| 08:49.33 | Dewin | [target=focus,exists,help] [target=pet,exists] |
| 08:50.01 | m3lin | Dewin ah, one more twist - only if I have no focus already or my focus is dead |
| 08:50.16 | m3lin | Id guess I cant do it |
| 08:52.29 | m3lin | oh.. I can - I just need to add a focus=focus,exists in the beginning.. thus making it focus my focus again if it exists and is alive |
| 08:52.50 | Dewin | do target=focus,nodead |
| 08:52.55 | Dewin | IIRC |
| 08:53.17 | m3lin | yea - target=focus ofcourse |
| 08:53.40 | Dewin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12136 any problems with that? |
| 08:54.44 | Dewin | I couldn't find the proper area to actually attach it to the Macaroon page. |
| 08:55.27 | nevcairiel | if you just remove the template referece, you'll break some functionality most likely =P |
| 08:56.17 | Dewin | Hence why I said it'd likely going to have unexpected side effects :) |
| 08:56.25 | Dewin | the template no longer exists |
| 08:56.50 | nevcairiel | i dont have the patch changes in front of me, but it must've been replaced by something |
| 08:57.03 | Dewin | I dug through wowcompares and couldn't find a replacement |
| 08:57.11 | Dewin | if you can, feel free to let me know and comment on it. |
| 08:58.17 | Dewin | I posted the fix on the macaroon comments awhile ago and everyone's still going "it doesn't work on the PTR" because my fix got lost in the noise. |
| 08:58.20 | nevcairiel | hm ya it kinda looks like it was completly removed |
| 08:58.34 | nevcairiel | people fail at manually fixing stuff |
| 08:58.50 | Dewin | well someone said it wasn't in the faq |
| 08:58.53 | Dewin | soo... >.> |
| 08:58.59 | nevcairiel | anyway, need to catch a train, laters |
| 08:59.33 | Dewin | I figure while duct tape doesn't beat drilling some holes and turning some screws, it beats having an addon not work at all |
| 09:03.09 | ZorbaTHut | yay, one day of dailies to both Hodir and Frenzyheart exalted |
| 09:03.33 | m3lin | anyone can tip me of for a nice looking UI, with XP bar, rep bar etc nicely designed? |
| 09:04.43 | Dewin | I'd push Progression for the XP/rep bar but it's horribly maintained and the author is a horrible lua coder. And I'm allowed to say that because I'm the author. |
| 09:05.01 | m3lin | :D |
| 09:05.01 | Dewin | (and it never was finished anyways, though it "works for me") |
| 09:05.25 | m3lin | Ive been thinking of doing my own mix using addons like Bartender and such |
| 09:05.37 | m3lin | but I suck at making nice looking panels :( |
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| 09:06.51 | Dewin | bah, you just made me start thinking of a ui layout |
| 09:07.11 | m3lin | :P |
| 09:07.20 | m3lin | I like eye-candy.. |
| 09:07.29 | m3lin | which makes me wonder why Im using XP :| |
| 09:07.38 | Dewin | if I could compact my party UI into a space that still allowed questlog/recount/omen all on that side of the screen |
| 09:07.41 | Dewin | not neccessarily all at once |
| 09:08.31 | Dewin | something with window headings that stacked on each other, grew as needed, and could be clicked to quickly collapse/expand |
| 09:08.55 | Dewin | don't really care about quest progress in combat, don't really need omen out of combat, recount's debatable |
| 09:09.53 | foxlit | Just add 100% threat as a condition to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html |
| 09:09.57 | m3lin | well.. Id like to make myself an UI that allowed for bigger chatframes when not in combat and all combat-actionbars hidden, and then change when Im in combat |
| 09:09.58 | foxlit | and you don't need Omen. |
| 09:10.10 | mikma | tekkub: http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_010609_110827.jpg |
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| 09:10.31 | Dewin | lol. foxlit |
| 09:10.34 | Tekkub | lol who the fuck is that |
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| 09:10.45 | mikma | it's my irl friend |
| 09:11.06 | Tekkub | that's great I'm saving it |
| 09:11.26 | Dewin | m3lin: I used to play FFXI, and while I hated the UI, one neat thing was the ability to expand the chat frame to full screen and quickly toggle between guild/whisper/yell filters |
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| 09:11.52 | Tekkub | Dewin, well yea, design the goddamn UI for a PS2 and what do you think you'll get? |
| 09:11.55 | Tekkub | oh yea, shit |
| 09:12.23 | Dewin | Tekkub: Towards the end of me playing FFXI, I was became a plugin developer for Windower (if you know what that is :) ) |
| 09:12.43 | Tekkub | I know |
| 09:12.45 | Tekkub | never used it |
| 09:12.54 | Tekkub | but saw some stuff after I came to wow |
| 09:12.55 | Dewin | I couldn't play the game without it, heh |
| 09:13.05 | Tekkub | looks like it made the UI ever so slightly less-shit |
| 09:13.25 | Dewin | autostacking inventory should be standard. |
| 09:13.28 | Dewin | >.> |
| 09:13.33 | Dewin | not a violate-the-TOS option. |
| 09:13.42 | Tekkub | it still amazes me that they thought "don't let them leave fullscreen" would hinder botting in any way |
| 09:13.58 | Tekkub | the inventory should just stack in the first place |
| 09:14.05 | Tekkub | that was the most retarded thing ever |
| 09:14.20 | Dewin | and when they finally implemented windowed mode themselves, it worked like crap and most people stuck with the Windower written by people who knew what they were doing :) |
| 09:14.43 | Dewin | but yeah, I have a bit of info on that game. SE can't code. >.> |
| 09:15.02 | Tekkub | "Oh I have to write the code for receiving items from loot? lets see.... ah fuck it just grab the next free slot and shove it in there... all done, now I can go back to my porns" |
| 09:15.24 | Dewin | Netcode? "We'll send this message over UDP. Three times, just in case one of the first two don't make it" |
| 09:15.35 | Tekkub | yea that doesn't surprise me one bit |
| 09:16.16 | Tekkub | all I miss from that game are my galkas ass and the wonderful beautiful world/story/music that I NEVER GOT TO EXPERIENCE AFTER PLAYING FOR A YEAR |
| 09:16.23 | Dewin | UDP makes sense, the way of making sure 'important' messages actually are received... failable. I once started making something and missed the "You're done making it" signal, so I had to forcibly quit the game to get control of my character back. |
| 09:16.25 | Tekkub | very VERY bad design |
| 09:17.06 | Dewin | I wrote something that basically kept a local copy of monster data from a wiki and displayed it on-demand for your current target |
| 09:17.15 | Dewin | as well as a few other features |
| 09:17.36 | Tekkub | why would you need that? you just fight crabs and mandies for 76 levels |
| 09:17.43 | Tekkub | and worms, can't forget worms |
| 09:17.49 | Dewin | not quite that bad, but yeah. |
| 09:17.57 | Tekkub | did I miss one? |
| 09:18.01 | Dewin | Going in an unfamiliar area, being able to know just by targetting something if it detects by sound or sight |
| 09:18.23 | Tekkub | goblins were never really a mainstay of leveling, but you could do quite well on em if people weren't idiots |
| 09:18.31 | Tekkub | for example, WHM using Firaga |
| 09:18.48 | Tekkub | true, I did love exploring |
| 09:19.05 | Dewin | Tekkub: I have the distinction of actually saving a party with with the ninja self-destruct 2hr |
| 09:19.13 | Tekkub | I went to so many zones people never stepped foot in cause they weren't the big popular leveling lemmingholes |
| 09:19.31 | Tekkub | I loved my 2hr macro |
| 09:19.42 | Dewin | I had accidentally bought a scroll of instant reraise instead of instant warp so used it. Party pulled something that we just couldn't seem to finish off (we had no business fighting it) and it was going after the healer. |
| 09:19.51 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.58 | Dewin | I 2hr, finish it off, and pop back up (this was too low level for WHMs to be able to raise) |
| 09:20.06 | Tekkub | best part was, I never once died doing it, unlike those fucking taru WHMs |
| 09:20.34 | Dewin | I have met FFXI players IRL though, I have yet to meet any WoW players |
| 09:20.56 | Tekkub | I lived with a galka we picked up in Qufim for nearly a year |
| 09:21.06 | Dewin | hell a good tank friend of mine was best man at my wedding, and we hadn't met IRL prior to that. |
| 09:21.09 | Tekkub | it was kinda... odd |
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| 09:21.42 | Tekkub | that's what wow seriously lacks... static parties |
| 09:21.52 | Tekkub | I want a nice instance static party :( |
| 09:21.55 | Dewin | well, guilds come close to it. |
| 09:22.07 | Dewin | we refused to static, we just half-staticked |
| 09:22.11 | Tekkub | havn't for me |
| 09:22.16 | Dewin | healer + support + tank and pick up any 3 DPS. |
| 09:22.41 | Dewin | could still move fast as it's easier to get 3 people all online at the same time than 6 |
| 09:22.43 | Tekkub | I want semi-scheduled thingies... 5 of us show up an tues night and do an instance or two |
| 09:22.51 | Tekkub | whatever we feel like that night |
| 09:23.30 | AnduinLothar | kernel panic wooo |
| 09:23.30 | m3lin | how can I create a frame with a texture in it not being 256x256? (or 32x32 etc) |
| 09:23.42 | foxlit | "Using the Maps tool, and the Wowhead Looter mod, one is able to easily track coordinates in-game without a lot of bloat like some other add-ons." |
| 09:24.05 | AnduinLothar | lol. i logged back in an we won AV |
| 09:24.14 | AnduinLothar | free tokens! |
| 09:24.26 | Tekkub | "Implement ticket #258" argh I'm going to fucking stab him |
| 09:24.27 | Dewin | Anduin: I've been the person who joined a BG and left with 3 tokens 5 seconds later before. |
| 09:24.34 | Dewin | anyways, sleepy time |
| 09:24.41 | Tekkub | describe what the fuck you did in your goddamn commit message |
| 09:24.50 | AnduinLothar | i logged in, ran to the boss dude solo pulled him and froze |
| 09:25.07 | AnduinLothar | rebooted, logged in ALIVE and won instantly |
| 09:25.10 | foxlit | "Implement ticket #248 by stabbing Tekkub repeatedly." |
| 09:25.45 | Tekkub | better plan: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1518/ |
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| 09:45.51 | Feffe | hey guys. Anyone awake who has the mercy to help me with a 3.0 transition bug in a wow addon i've written? |
| 09:46.25 | foxlit | You're doing it wrong. |
| 09:46.47 | Feffe | obviously... wait.. doing what wrong =) |
| 09:46.50 | foxlit | Make a blatantly wrong statement in here, and we'll tear you to shreds while (possibly) saying what the right solution is. |
| 09:47.34 | foxlit | It's the equivalent of "Hey, guys, where's Hogger? Guys? Anyone at all?" versus "Hogger is in Dalaran" "No he isn't, you moron!" |
| 09:48.34 | Feffe | allright. Fair enough, I'm new at this. I have a plugin written, After 3.0 loading it results in the chat-frame and general-tab beeing covered in white and beeing unusable. I figure it's some change in the XML bug i cannot for the life of me figure out what. |
| 09:49.35 | Feffe | i've seen the same thing happen to a lot of plugins around 3.0 time (cartographer, prat and others) they all solved it... i can't find it |
| 09:52.45 | foxlit | Does it actually result in some error being thrown? |
| 09:53.42 | Feffe | No lua errors. It did throw out some minor stuff about fonts in the framexml.log, but i fixed those, and they were unrelated. I just figured it might be something someone recogniuzed, as i saw it in several other mods. |
| 09:54.00 | Arrowmaster | chatframe covered in white? |
| 09:54.04 | Feffe | aye |
| 09:54.10 | Arrowmaster | whats the addon do? |
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| 09:54.34 | Feffe | it's our own guild roster/invite/dkp management |
| 09:55.10 | Arrowmaster | does it interact with the chatframe at all? |
| 09:57.47 | Feffe | yes. In a few different ways. Both writing to it and reacting on ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 09:58.06 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt hook ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 09:58.19 | Arrowmaster | but instead one of the functions called by ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 10:00.16 | Feffe | hmm. It does look a bit dodgy but i wonder if that really botches the chat-window. I'll try to clean it up though. It worked before 3.0 but so did a lot of things.. |
| 10:00.55 | Arrowmaster | likely your hooks arent passing all the arguments back to the original function |
| 10:02.17 | Feffe | it looks like it passes the whole event right back, just catching it and sending it through, but there might be something to it. |
| 10:02.33 | m3lin | Feffe chatframe and chatevens have been wildly changed since 3.0 |
| 10:03.10 | m3lin | so if you hook the frame and your hooking errors, the actualy chatframe will error and wont load properly, as in - not load textures and such - rendering it white |
| 10:03.27 | WobWork | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1511/ |
| 10:03.30 | Feffe | oh, good =) well, fortunatly, the whole chathandler was a luxury addition to the plugin. I'll rip that out for now and see what happens. Thank you all for the help |
| 10:04.29 | Arrowmaster | what does the ChatFrame_OnEvent hook even do? is it just for hiding stuff like whispers? |
| 10:05.18 | m3lin | hide, reformat and so on |
| 10:05.36 | Arrowmaster | if so you should look at ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
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| 10:05.53 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 10:06.47 | Feffe | awesome. I've inherited the mod from a guy in the guild who quit, so i don't know for certain all it did, but i think it caught certain wispers and things said in raid chat. Possibly used for the whole DKP bidding process |
| 10:08.00 | Arrowmaster | ok, well if its actually acting upon anything you do not want to use ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter, since your function can be called multiple times for a single message |
| 10:08.26 | Arrowmaster | but for stuff like hiding messages if they match a certain pattern thats exactly what its designed for |
| 10:08.37 | Feffe | it does react to things like guild roster updates and other things. |
| 10:08.58 | Thrae | Oh, well then that's all Blizzard's problem. It's really bad when their own addon breaks from their own code ;) |
| 10:09.18 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: huh? |
| 10:09.31 | Feffe | i think he referred to addmessageeventfilter |
| 10:10.06 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Wrong channel. |
| 10:10.08 | m3lin | whats the addon feffe? |
| 10:10.37 | Feffe | M3lin: out guild invite/dkp handler |
| 10:11.36 | Arrowmaster | Feffe: for events like CHAT_MSG_RAID and stuff the addon should hopefully have its own event handler and not be hooking into ChatFrame_OnEvent, if you remove the ChatFrame_OnEvent hook and it still works properly then you should be able to safely create a function for use with ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter to restore the functionality |
| 10:11.41 | m3lin | Feffe ok |
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| 10:13.34 | Feffe | Arrowmaster: i think thats the way to go. It does indeed already have an event handler for CHAT_MSG_RAID and various other things. I'll try to look into what you guys suggested here. |
| 10:13.40 | Feffe | thanks a whole heap |
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| 10:15.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah read that wiki page i linked a few times, ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter() acts quite a lot different than any other api functions, a lot of people end up confused about it at first |
| 10:16.29 | Feffe | Then i am like a lot of people, but i have it open now, and reading it |
| 10:19.12 | foxlit | http://bigcartel.com/account/35174/1473493/ff003.jpg |
| 10:21.13 | foxlit | all... those... floppies... |
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| 10:29.16 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a live maintenance, i.e. rolling restarts of all realms between 05:00 and 07:00 CET. Each realm will receive a 15 minute notice prior to being restarted.. |
| 10:29.16 | Shiibot | Thank you for your patience and understanding. |
| 10:32.08 | Fisker- | RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE |
| 10:32.09 | Fisker- | want patch |
| 10:32.48 | Fisker- | ~wowalert |
| 10:32.48 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 10:37.06 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: 1760.......... |
| 10:38.37 | Arrowmaster | that looks printed though and not real floppies |
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| 10:41.20 | foxlit | yeah, it's a poster. |
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| 10:50.28 | frop | dello |
| 10:50.38 | frop | gief Tekkub :P |
| 10:50.50 | mikma | sorry |
| 10:50.52 | frop | anyone can modify his webpages? |
| 10:50.53 | mikma | out of tekkub |
| 10:51.01 | mikma | yes, tekkub can |
| 10:51.04 | frop | :P |
| 10:51.24 | frop | well, i'm not sure to be here, but this link doesn't work |
| 10:51.32 | frop | http://www.tekkub.net/tg/h/51_53_Un |
| 10:51.57 | frop | should be http://www.tekkub.net/tg/h/51_53_Un'Goro i guess, but the ' make it fail (prolly) |
| 10:53.40 | frop | http://www.tekkub.net/tg/h/51_53_UnGoro_Crater.html this doesn't exist either :) |
| 11:01.47 | foxlit | That zombie on top of Acherus is gauging poor death knights :( |
| 11:02.01 | foxlit | Costs 6g just to get the heck off that floating rock :/ |
| 11:02.10 | foxlit | s/g/s/ |
| 11:03.30 | WobWork | tried the html entity for '? |
| 11:03.55 | WobWork | cause http://www.tekkub.net/tg/h/51_53_Un%27Goro_Crater.html |
| 11:03.58 | WobWork | works fine |
| 11:04.15 | frop | yurr |
| 11:04.20 | frop | didn't... |
| 11:04.33 | frop | ....i'll add this to my ticket on gcode :P |
| 11:06.52 | frop | still, links in the TourGuide Online page need modifications |
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| 11:14.34 | foxlit | Wonder what happens when you die on a gryphon |
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| 11:24.09 | WobWork | I loved the geist questline in icecrown |
| 11:24.41 | WobWork | I used the toss attack on the blood death knight boss to grief alliance mages who were aoe farming the deathknights |
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| 12:30.56 | Lothaer | hey guys |
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| 13:12.39 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12127-atrRunes.html <- is niiiiiiice |
| 13:13.23 | Lothaer | another Rune mod lol |
| 13:13.31 | mikma | this one is actually nice |
| 13:13.54 | Lothaer | abit bland for me :D |
| 13:14.04 | Lothaer | i like big and shiny things :D |
| 13:14.07 | WobWork | MagicRunes is fine for me |
| 13:14.12 | mikma | oh dear lord :I |
| 13:14.20 | Lothaer | ditto |
| 13:14.27 | Lothaer | i use MagicRunes |
| 13:14.30 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10133-RuneWatch.html |
| 13:14.37 | mikma | there you go, big and shiny |
| 13:14.56 | WobWork | pft |
| 13:15.07 | WobWork | I'd spend too much time trying to figure out what the hell is what on that =P |
| 13:15.26 | mikma | i use default |
| 13:15.47 | mikma | i'm not actually that interested of when the runes will come usable :P |
| 13:15.56 | mikma | omnicc does a decent job on it |
| 13:16.05 | Pneumatus | omnicc tends to fail on DnD though |
| 13:16.14 | WobWork | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=OP7F8P1ZtD0&feature=related |
| 13:16.25 | WobWork | I may have linked it before |
| 13:16.28 | Pneumatus | omnicc ends up getting confused between spell cooldown and rune cooldown |
| 13:16.28 | WobWork | but man they're good =) |
| 13:16.29 | Lothaer | i tried RW but didnt like it |
| 13:16.50 | WobWork | MagicRunes is a nice mix of bars and colours and sounds |
| 13:17.13 | mikma | flashy flashy |
| 13:17.31 | Lothaer | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/runecc.aspx |
| 13:17.42 | mikma | if industrial would make rune-addon it would be like atrRunes :D |
| 13:17.50 | Lothaer | i used that in the Beta |
| 13:19.41 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11914-Runevolution.html <- haven't tested that one but seems nice too |
| 13:21.07 | Lothaer | best DK mod around http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9979-ComeHere.html |
| 13:22.01 | Codayus | Rune Pack is pretty good. |
| 13:22.06 | Codayus | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11708-RunePack.html |
| 13:23.06 | WobWork | nah |
| 13:23.14 | WobWork | revolution is far too... |
| 13:23.17 | WobWork | confusing |
| 13:23.22 | WobWork | http://www.wegame.com/watch/Runevolution_demo_v1_0_5// |
| 13:23.37 | Lothaer | a very nice and up comming mod http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11808-DKSounds.html |
| 13:23.38 | WobWork | piling them up like that means you have no idea what's actually coming available |
| 13:23.56 | mikma | oh i know, artRunes lol! |
| 13:24.31 | WobWork | meh, damn those unholy dk authors |
| 13:24.37 | WobWork | There's nothing for Howling blast =P |
| 13:24.43 | Lothaer | or DRW |
| 13:24.52 | mikma | wobwork: well, what should there be? |
| 13:24.55 | mikma | nerf. |
| 13:24.56 | WobWork | Not sure what to say though |
| 13:25.02 | Lothaer | lol |
| 13:25.04 | Codayus | That's what's nice about rune pack, really simple display. :-) |
| 13:25.08 | WobWork | <arnie>A FREEEEZE is coming!</arnie> |
| 13:25.11 | Lothaer | ill assume ur a Frost Tank right? |
| 13:25.22 | WobWork | Lothaer: hehe yeh =) |
| 13:25.29 | Lothaer | im a blood Tank |
| 13:25.37 | WobWork | how's that working for you? |
| 13:25.43 | mikma | blood = dracula laugh |
| 13:25.46 | WobWork | I've heard it's going to be better next patch |
| 13:26.03 | mikma | i drooled about the glyphs of 3.0.8 |
| 13:26.04 | Lothaer | its actually works very well now |
| 13:26.05 | Lothaer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&n=Lothaer |
| 13:26.13 | Lothaer | yeah awesome :D |
| 13:26.16 | Lothaer | and the new weapon |
| 13:26.26 | Lothaer | Titansteel Defender |
| 13:26.34 | WobWork | how much titansteel per weapon? |
| 13:26.36 | Lothaer | i already have all the mats to make it |
| 13:26.40 | Lothaer | 8 Titansteel |
| 13:26.43 | Lothaer | 8 Saronite |
| 13:26.45 | WobWork | hm, I have enough! =) |
| 13:26.47 | Lothaer | 2 Frozen Orbs |
| 13:26.55 | WobWork | I don't really need the defender... |
| 13:27.00 | Lothaer | i do |
| 13:27.04 | Lothaer | link me ur armory |
| 13:27.07 | WobWork | although I'd get it so I can start swapping out more crap |
| 13:27.16 | WobWork | I've probably logged out in dps gear |
| 13:27.34 | WobWork | yeah |
| 13:27.37 | Lothaer | lol |
| 13:27.45 | WobWork | my terrible dps gear =P |
| 13:27.46 | Lothaer | i can use Tank gear for dps |
| 13:27.49 | WobWork | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuusnu |
| 13:27.52 | WobWork | Well, so can I |
| 13:28.03 | WobWork | but more crit = faster grinding |
| 13:28.16 | WobWork | and the big numbers are pretty |
| 13:28.23 | WobWork | my def is at about 553 atm |
| 13:28.27 | Lothaer | ill assume u logged in Blood Presence |
| 13:28.30 | WobWork | yeah |
| 13:28.40 | mikma | wobwork: why so much? |
| 13:28.49 | WobWork | cause I finally got the stuff I wanted =) |
| 13:28.54 | Lothaer | so much what? |
| 13:29.26 | mikma | def, greatly over cap |
| 13:29.26 | WobWork | and now I can work on swapping stuff out for more stam |
| 13:29.26 | WobWork | defense |
| 13:29.31 | WobWork | That bloody trinket finally dropped from HoL |
| 13:29.33 | Lothaer | whos? |
| 13:29.35 | WobWork | mine |
| 13:29.43 | WobWork | (when I'm wearing my tanking gear =P) |
| 13:29.43 | Lothaer | 400? |
| 13:29.52 | Lothaer | whats it at in tank gear? |
| 13:30.00 | WobWork | 553 |
| 13:30.05 | Lothaer | lol |
| 13:30.07 | Lothaer | epics? |
| 13:30.10 | WobWork | nah |
| 13:30.13 | mikma | wobwork: whats the name of the trinket? |
| 13:30.13 | WobWork | tempered saronite |
| 13:30.22 | WobWork | some rep gear |
| 13:30.23 | Lothaer | ahh im not a blacksmith |
| 13:30.24 | Codayus | Epics have less defense, oddly. Much easier to be crit immune in blues. :-/ |
| 13:30.26 | WobWork | def enchant |
| 13:30.30 | WobWork | Neither =) I just had it made |
| 13:30.32 | Lothaer | check out mine |
| 13:30.39 | Lothaer | i have 512 defence |
| 13:30.42 | WobWork | What Codayus said |
| 13:30.45 | foxlit | and tempered saronite has no avoidance |
| 13:30.46 | Lothaer | in blues with chants and gems |
| 13:30.52 | WobWork | what foxlit said |
| 13:30.53 | zenzio | blues are for reaching crit immunity; epics are for when you're immune |
| 13:31.08 | Codayus | The balance can be tricky, depending on what drops you get. |
| 13:31.16 | zenzio | at first |
| 13:31.17 | WobWork | I've finally hit crit immunity, now I need stuff to swap out |
| 13:31.26 | Codayus | The new runeforge and sigil will help the transition a lot though. Much less of a pain than regemming. |
| 13:31.28 | zenzio | when you're half epic then you're usually set |
| 13:31.59 | foxlit | /meh at the Titansteel defense gear, however. |
| 13:31.59 | WobWork | mikma: um.http://www.wowhead.com/?item=36993 |
| 13:32.27 | mikma | wobwork: huh. |
| 13:32.38 | Codayus | foxlit: Mmm, it's best in slot for avoidance right now I believe. (Now, what Bliz thought when they made the +parry one is more than I can imagine...) |
| 13:32.46 | mikma | wobwork: i'm sticking with mah dodge + 111 sta :D |
| 13:32.55 | foxlit | Codayus: not weapons |
| 13:33.00 | Codayus | Oh, nm then. :-) |
| 13:33.05 | WobWork | Codayus: inorite? |
| 13:33.10 | foxlit | the head/boots is what I'm disappointed at |
| 13:33.11 | WobWork | also, screw them ebon blade |
| 13:33.17 | WobWork | wtf do they think they're doing? |
| 13:33.22 | WobWork | They're a DK faction |
| 13:33.29 | Codayus | I get a feeling the itemization team *might* not actually understand diminishing returns. |
| 13:33.29 | Lothaer | http://www.worldofraids.com/gallery/files/1/1/8/9/8/titansteeldefender.jpg |
| 13:33.31 | WobWork | Why aren't any of their rewards of any use to DKs? =P |
| 13:33.37 | foxlit | In your icecrown, killing your lich kings |
| 13:33.40 | WobWork | (except for those boots) |
| 13:33.54 | foxlit | Meh, I still think the sword isn't bad. |
| 13:34.04 | WobWork | hehe |
| 13:34.06 | WobWork | "sword" |
| 13:34.09 | foxlit | Pity about the lack of sta |
| 13:34.19 | WobWork | like the Slayer "Scythe" in BtVS |
| 13:34.20 | Lothaer | is Expertise a big thing for DK tanks? |
| 13:34.30 | WobWork | not before def =) |
| 13:34.32 | Lothaer | cause from my thinking they miss i use Rune Strike |
| 13:34.32 | Codayus | Lothaer: For all tanks, really. DK a little more than most. |
| 13:34.49 | Lothaer | new Rune Strike causes 150% threat so makes it easier? |
| 13:35.03 | foxlit | Lothaer: expertise and rune strike have nothing to do with each other. |
| 13:35.04 | Lothaer | and you can only use it when your target dodges or parries |
| 13:35.11 | WobWork | er? |
| 13:35.15 | WobWork | when -you- dodge/parry |
| 13:35.37 | WobWork | the tooltip is terribly confusing |
| 13:36.04 | Lothaer | yeah i thought it was when your target dodges one of your attacks |
| 13:36.05 | Codayus | I'd make a snarky comment about "how come nobody ever reads the tooltip right" but...yeah. It's worded TERRIBLY. |
| 13:36.12 | WobWork | You'd want expertise to avoid getting your strikes dodged/parried |
| 13:36.27 | Lothaer | so i use RS when I dodge or parry? |
| 13:36.32 | WobWork | and thus losing TPS |
| 13:36.35 | WobWork | yeah |
| 13:36.36 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 13:36.42 | Lothaer | kk didnt know that |
| 13:36.42 | WobWork | well, you get the opportunity to RS when you do =) |
| 13:36.51 | Lothaer | lol |
| 13:37.08 | Lothaer | too bad RS is on next swing and not instant >< |
| 13:37.16 | Lothaer | but i guess we'd be too OP then lol |
| 13:37.25 | Lothaer | gotta keep the rogues happy |
| 13:37.25 | WobWork | I like it. |
| 13:37.33 | WobWork | It's a strike I don't have to worry about =P |
| 13:37.34 | foxlit | Strike the target for 200% weapon damage plus [200 * AP * 10 / 10000]. |
| 13:37.45 | WobWork | just trigger and you're done |
| 13:37.57 | foxlit | wowhead clearly can't just write [AP / 5] |
| 13:38.19 | WobWork | http://www.worldofraids.com/gallery/files/1/1/8/9/8/world_breaker.jpg |
| 13:38.26 | WobWork | christ, look at the crit bonus on that |
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| 13:38.35 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, math is hard |
| 13:38.49 | WobWork | I wonder if they mean "swing" or actual "attack" |
| 13:38.50 | mikma | wobwork: wait. waiiiiiiit. |
| 13:39.06 | frop | how much for a bar there? |
| 13:39.19 | Lothaer | Rune Strike: Damage decreased from 200% to 150% but threat increased to 150% from 100%. |
| 13:39.27 | WobWork | frop: titansteel? |
| 13:39.30 | frop | aye |
| 13:39.33 | mikma | wobwork: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/9355newtrinkets.jpg |
| 13:39.34 | WobWork | 200g ish |
| 13:39.55 | frop | 250/300 on terenas :P |
| 13:40.07 | WobWork | I haven't actually looked, really |
| 13:40.10 | WobWork | since I can smelt them |
| 13:40.14 | Pneumatus | flow of knowledge is made of win |
| 13:40.18 | WobWork | and I have no intention of selling it =) |
| 13:40.26 | WobWork | yet |
| 13:40.43 | WobWork | I've heard rumours they're removing the titansteel cooldown.. yeay, nay? |
| 13:40.50 | mikma | i heard the same |
| 13:40.55 | ZorbaTHut | do we know if today is the 3.0.8 patch or not? |
| 13:40.56 | Lothaer | have you guys checked out Stalker? |
| 13:41.00 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: no patch |
| 13:41.03 | ZorbaTHut | bah |
| 13:41.03 | foxlit | It won't be. |
| 13:41.05 | Lothaer | no |
| 13:41.06 | WobWork | EU is rolling restarts |
| 13:41.07 | Lothaer | no patch |
| 13:41.18 | ZorbaTHut | wob, I hope so, but it seems unlikely to me |
| 13:41.30 | frop | yurr |
| 13:41.39 | frop | one week more for Maly/Sarth |
| 13:42.14 | WobWork | frop: what are they changing? |
| 13:42.28 | Olorin | dinged 80 yesterday and found I needed eternal fire, dont think a single elemental was alive for more than 2secs before attacked |
| 13:42.34 | frop | isnt' ulduar on 3.0.8? |
| 13:42.39 | Codayus | No. |
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| 13:42.48 | frop | ahh :) |
| 13:43.04 | frop | well, then one more week of hunters-ruling-the-meters |
| 13:43.21 | WobWork | Olorin: so true |
| 13:43.47 | frop | my pet can outdps most melees on some bossfights :) |
| 13:43.52 | Codayus | Another week of CoH dominance... |
| 13:44.13 | Lothaer | so who here has tried out LunarSphere? |
| 13:44.34 | foxlit | too much clicking. |
| 13:44.47 | frop | the round-bar thingy? |
| 13:44.59 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 13:45.00 | WobWork | bah |
| 13:45.01 | frop | just visually nice :P |
| 13:45.06 | frop | keybinds FTW |
| 13:45.06 | WobWork | Tenacity is going to be lowered |
| 13:45.18 | WobWork | So much for horde winning WG on Proudmoore anytime soon =P |
| 13:45.25 | Lothaer | i was one of the origanl beta testers |
| 13:45.26 | Lothaer | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=6771 |
| 13:45.34 | Codayus | All I remember is some crazy plagiarism fight about it, like, years ago... |
| 13:45.43 | Lothaer | yeah with a ace mod called Sphere |
| 13:45.56 | Olorin | has anyone here written/released or can recommend a scrolling frame library or somthing, quite happy to write my own but I'd rather not reinvent the wheel |
| 13:46.04 | Lothaer | but sphere went belly up |
| 13:46.11 | WobWork | woo |
| 13:46.12 | WobWork | Toughness now increases stamina by 3/5/7/10/30/50. (Old - Increased health by 30/50/70/100/300/500) |
| 13:46.39 | WobWork | and Dark Command range increased |
| 13:46.41 | WobWork | thank god |
| 13:46.43 | frop | nice...some talents will benefit from it |
| 13:46.45 | frop | scaling ftw |
| 13:46.46 | Lothaer | what you mean by scrolling frame? something like SCT? |
| 13:47.07 | frop | Olorin i used all of them in the past... |
| 13:47.12 | frop | ...i use no more |
| 13:47.13 | Olorin | Lothaer, somthing I can use to create submenus etc.. |
| 13:47.14 | Lothaer | wob all taunts have been increased to 30 yrds |
| 13:47.20 | Lothaer | ahh |
| 13:47.21 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 13:47.24 | WobWork | thank god =) |
| 13:47.45 | WobWork | There's been times I've been racing to get into taunt range |
| 13:47.46 | frop | 30y taunts? :P |
| 13:47.50 | Lothaer | Heart Strike no longer has a haste debuff but will now be able to strike two targets. |
| 13:47.56 | Codayus | WobWork: I believe that patchnote is incorrect. It actually was 30/50/700/100/300/500. :-p |
| 13:47.59 | frop | that's sick |
| 13:48.11 | WobWork | Codayus: hehe true =) |
| 13:48.15 | Lothaer | this is cool too All multi-rune abilities generate 15 runic power. |
| 13:48.26 | foxlit | what do they do now? |
| 13:48.27 | Lothaer | is Death Strike, Obliterate etc |
| 13:48.30 | Lothaer | none |
| 13:48.31 | WobWork | Lothaer: It's to make blood tanking more viable =) |
| 13:48.38 | Lothaer | i know |
| 13:48.44 | Olorin | I kinda like the way ackis recepie list does it but since its appears to be embedded I suspect it would be harder to work out what code is the menu than to write my own |
| 13:48.45 | foxlit | they've overshot that, I think. |
| 13:48.47 | Lothaer | but imo its pretty viable now |
| 13:49.03 | WobWork | I doubt I'll ever be runepower starved anymore |
| 13:49.08 | Lothaer | ditto |
| 13:49.12 | WobWork | not that I am very often |
| 13:49.29 | Lothaer | Frost Presence: The bonus armor has been increased from 60 to 80% and magic damage reduction increased from 5 to 15%. |
| 13:49.31 | foxlit | 50% uptime on blood's last stand makes for a very nasty situation. |
| 13:49.44 | WobWork | jeez, 15% reduction |
| 13:50.03 | Lothaer | Raise Dead has now been split into two spells: |
| 13:50.04 | Lothaer | + Raise Dead now raises a ghoul or pet ghoul (if talented). Requires corpse dust if no humanoid corpse is nearby. |
| 13:50.04 | Lothaer | + Raise Ally now raises a fallen party member as a ghoul and has no reagent. Available at level 72. This should now last for 4 minutes. |
| 13:50.26 | WobWork | DEath Pact now grants 40%? |
| 13:50.27 | WobWork | woah |
| 13:50.27 | Lothaer | and i simply LOVE the ultimate DK combo move |
| 13:50.31 | Lothaer | its pretty sweet |
| 13:50.49 | WobWork | that's a free 40% health for me =) |
| 13:50.53 | Lothaer | know what it us wob? |
| 13:51.13 | WobWork | chains of ice, death grief? |
| 13:51.26 | WobWork | or IT, Pest, Deathchill, HB =) |
| 13:51.36 | Codayus | Ummm. YOu're all on crack. 2 rune abiltiies currently generate 15, 3 generate 20. SO it's technically a nerf. |
| 13:51.42 | mikma | oh |
| 13:51.42 | Lothaer | MAX RP + Dancing Rune Weapon + Raise Dead + Army of the Dead |
| 13:51.48 | mikma | ultimate dk compo |
| 13:51.50 | WobWork | Lothaer: hehe yeah =) |
| 13:52.08 | Lothaer | i do it all the time when the boss gets to about 5% HP and AotD is up |
| 13:52.23 | Pneumatus | its a nerf to DnD |
| 13:52.40 | Lothaer | some other changes in 3.0.8 |
| 13:52.45 | Lothaer | Players may now create death knights on any realm once they reach level 55. |
| 13:52.51 | mikma | ps, it, pest, blood tap, blood boil, howling blast |
| 13:52.57 | Lothaer | Racial restrictions on mounts have now been lifted. Night elves on mechanostriders? Tauren on raptors? Youre not seeing things. |
| 13:53.05 | mikma | wobwork: i WUB blood tap |
| 13:53.34 | Lothaer | it, pt, HS, BB, Obliterate |
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| 13:54.34 | WobWork | Lothaer: still not as good as IT, Pest, Deathchill, HB |
| 13:54.48 | Lothaer | im not that far down in frost |
| 13:54.57 | WobWork | double damage crit Howling blast on all mobs within 10yards |
| 13:55.11 | WobWork | hm, does the double damage get applied before or after the crit? |
| 13:55.16 | Lothaer | 53/18/0 |
| 13:55.20 | WobWork | (or does it matter?) |
| 13:55.53 | mikma | wobwork: oh, sorry. ps, it, pest, bt, bb, dc+hb |
| 13:56.01 | mikma | there you go, there's my opener :D |
| 13:56.18 | WobWork | does blood tap do damage? |
| 13:56.29 | mikma | aye, that's why i got this: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43535 |
| 13:56.42 | `-FISKER_Q | Anyone know any hardware site that has a lot of stuff on power supplies? |
| 13:56.52 | WobWork | oh, I'm confusing it with runetap |
| 13:57.11 | mikma | runetap is healing |
| 13:57.18 | mikma | bloodtap activates blood rune |
| 13:58.01 | WobWork | yeh |
| 13:58.28 | WobWork | does deathchill trigger the GCD? |
| 13:58.32 | mikma | no! |
| 13:58.35 | mikma | i have it macroed :D |
| 13:58.51 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.10 | Lothaer | hey wob |
| 13:59.11 | Lothaer | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/deathknight/talents.html?tal=0055021500033310230251213510052400133000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 13:59.12 | mikma | wobwork: oh damn, i messed once again... |
| 13:59.14 | Lothaer | what you think? |
| 13:59.14 | WobWork | I'd probably make it rightclick for that |
| 13:59.20 | mikma | wobwork: my opener, again: |
| 13:59.54 | WobWork | Lothaer: I'd probably not hae the Runic Power Mastery |
| 14:00.27 | Codayus | Not having Anticipation is fail, if you mean that for a tank spec. |
| 14:00.30 | Lothaer | lol i only want 120 anyway :D |
| 14:01.03 | mikma | wobwork: d&d (-B), ps (-U), it (-F), pest (-B), bt (+B), bb (-B), macro dc+hb (-U -F) |
| 14:01.06 | WobWork | Imp Icy Touch is good too |
| 14:01.13 | WobWork | for the melee speed reduction |
| 14:01.15 | Lothaer | Anticipation? |
| 14:01.19 | WobWork | for dodge |
| 14:01.24 | WobWork | in unholy |
| 14:01.35 | Codayus | Runic power mastery is effectively worthless for a tank, since you won't cap RP. And 2/3 Will of the Necropolis is pretty arguable, since that's basically one of the key talents which makes blood viable. (Or will next patch...) |
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| 14:01.37 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EZGxxthxdRhoVosx0g <- my current |
| 14:01.52 | mikma | i'm really, really happy with this frost tank -build |
| 14:02.42 | mikma | wobwork: try that sequence i said. it's awesome opener :) |
| 14:02.50 | WobWork | mikma: hm, that's basically my build |
| 14:03.00 | WobWork | I think |
| 14:03.03 | mikma | wobwork: yeah, tem uses pretty much same too |
| 14:03.55 | WobWork | except for Killing Machine |
| 14:04.03 | Lothaer | grrr 5hrs to go |
| 14:04.15 | WobWork | and I have Frigid Machine |
| 14:04.22 | WobWork | er Dreadplate |
| 14:04.35 | Codayus | I think I'd be inclined to go for frigid dreadplate over killing machine. |
| 14:04.44 | ZorbaTHut | I kind of wish there was a Runic Power Mastery equivalent for Rage :P |
| 14:05.30 | WobWork | yeah, instead of KM, I have FDp and Morbidity |
| 14:05.55 | WobWork | although I only ever use Deathcoil for healing |
| 14:06.05 | Codayus | Morbidity <3. The widespread and absolutely bizarre FPS issues it has... </3 |
| 14:06.12 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 14:06.21 | Lothaer | i wish blizz would give is RP pots |
| 14:06.26 | Lothaer | like the ones in the start zone |
| 14:06.34 | WobWork | I totally farmed those |
| 14:06.38 | WobWork | then I wasted them =( |
| 14:06.43 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:06.49 | WobWork | I didn't realise we would never see the like again =P |
| 14:06.57 | Codayus | Make a paladin give you BoSanc, and never worry about RP again. :-/ |
| 14:07.09 | WobWork | or the druid glyphed renew |
| 14:07.24 | mikma | dear lord |
| 14:07.28 | mikma | don't use morbidity now |
| 14:07.30 | WobWork | I only ever notice I'm gaining RP that way when I've stopped fighint |
| 14:07.33 | mikma | it's bugged the hell out |
| 14:07.48 | WobWork | and it's like "zomg, I can cast Horn of winter over and over!" |
| 14:07.58 | foxlit | meh? |
| 14:07.59 | Codayus | BoSanc is...pretty nuts. What's the RP gain for the druid glyph? |
| 14:08.06 | WobWork | +15? |
| 14:08.11 | WobWork | something like that |
| 14:08.23 | Lothaer | glyph of Horn of Winter |
| 14:08.29 | Lothaer | only needs 10 RP |
| 14:08.41 | WobWork | Lothaer: meh, I'll just wait til patch |
| 14:08.54 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:08.56 | nevcairiel | that druid thing is not a glyph, its a talent |
| 14:09.02 | Lothaer | i wonder if well get a free respec |
| 14:09.19 | Codayus | Ah |
| 14:09.28 | `-FISKER_Q | i fooled a captcha! |
| 14:09.38 | mikma | i capped a foola |
| 14:09.48 | WobWork | nevcairiel: aha =) |
| 14:09.52 | WobWork | I was looking for that =) |
| 14:10.02 | nevcairiel | (and i would never spec it, waste of points) |
| 14:10.04 | WobWork | thank you |
| 14:10.16 | Stanzilla | `-FISKER_Q: in soviet russia, captchas fool you!...wait.. |
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| 14:10.30 | WobWork | Replenish |
| 14:10.43 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 14:10.44 | Codayus | I see, Replenish... 15% per tick to restore 16 RP Ticks ever 3s, so... |
| 14:10.57 | nevcairiel | its a pointless talent |
| 14:10.59 | nevcairiel | imho. |
| 14:11.07 | mikma | wobwork: remember my sequence! try it! |
| 14:11.12 | nevcairiel | way too low chance and only on one hot that tics every 3s .. |
| 14:11.15 | WobWork | mikma: I will! |
| 14:11.22 | Codayus | 0.8 RP/second? |
| 14:11.43 | Codayus | Yeah, BoSanc is 20 rp every type you parry or dodge, which works out to be fairly nuts. |
| 14:11.43 | mikma | wobwork: i promise you'll keep good aggro through the fight on the mobs. i didn't realize before how insanely good the blood tap is |
| 14:11.45 | WobWork | well the thing is, we don't really need it |
| 14:12.06 | WobWork | Codayus: with enough avoidance =) |
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| 14:13.02 | WobWork | I cannot -wait- til HB has the cooldown removed =P |
| 14:13.20 | WobWork | Bloodboil x 2, HB x2 |
| 14:13.25 | WobWork | hi2u fully aoe tanking =P |
| 14:13.33 | mikma | oh right |
| 14:13.39 | mikma | we were grinding some leather today |
| 14:13.42 | WobWork | and swap in a pest to refresh every now and again |
| 14:13.46 | mikma | i did 2.1k dps in tank-gear lol |
| 14:13.56 | WobWork | retarget and re-pestilence |
| 14:13.58 | mikma | insane AoE damage for 20 mobs |
| 14:14.17 | Codayus | WobWork: *shrug* Raid buffed a DK in blues is going to have enough avoidance to make BoSanc crazy. Add epics...and...yeah... |
| 14:14.31 | nevcairiel | they should nerf HB damage and increase its aggro modifier |
| 14:14.37 | nevcairiel | Frost DPS will be insane |
| 14:14.38 | WobWork | I saw my crit when raidbuffed |
| 14:14.39 | WobWork | and cried |
| 14:14.43 | Codayus | Then again, there's only so much you can do with RP. Macro Rune Strike and uhh...yeah. |
| 14:14.48 | WobWork | I can only ever wish for crit like that normally =P |
| 14:15.11 | WobWork | Codayus: I want RP available to use the avoidance skills =) |
| 14:15.21 | Codayus | nevcairiel: frost/unholy DW specs are already doing crazy damage on some fights. No cooldown HB is going to be um. Interesting. |
| 14:15.29 | nevcairiel | IBF glyph, imho |
| 14:15.33 | WobWork | Where "Interesting" == "Jesusholyfuck" |
| 14:16.18 | WobWork | hm, armoury doesn't show glyphs |
| 14:16.20 | WobWork | I wonder what I have |
| 14:16.30 | Codayus | ~fail armory |
| 14:16.31 | purl | armory, you Fail! |
| 14:16.31 | nevcairiel | lichborn is free, IBF can glyphed to be free, and well, Bone Shield uses a rune, no RP, not sure what frost has a CD |
| 14:16.47 | Lunessa | WobWork: As a dual-weilding shaman, I'll cry bitter tears of envy and self-loathing. |
| 14:16.51 | Codayus | Unbrakable Armor costs a rune too |
| 14:16.54 | WobWork | Unbreakable |
| 14:16.58 | frop | they should nerf all, but hunters... |
| 14:17.06 | frop | ...they're doing the contrary :P |
| 14:17.10 | WobWork | frop: they will =) |
| 14:17.22 | frop | all classes are scaling better than hunters tbh |
| 14:17.28 | WobWork | oh |
| 14:17.32 | WobWork | I thought you said nerf hunters |
| 14:17.38 | WobWork | cause volley. lol |
| 14:17.39 | nevcairiel | all classes are doing less damage then hunters |
| 14:17.41 | nevcairiel | shrug |
| 14:17.52 | Codayus | OTOH, they've made it really clear they do NOT want DW to be the dominant spec for DKs. So eventually, they'll do something to nerf 'em. |
| 14:17.54 | frop | with hi end gear from Naxx, the gap is very little now |
| 14:18.06 | frop | nevcairiel not really |
| 14:18.07 | WobWork | Codayus: They'll probably up the miss rate |
| 14:18.21 | WobWork | til it's not worth the itemisation to achieve the hit |
| 14:18.27 | Randakar | err - they said they do not want DW to be the dominant spec - for tanks ;-) |
| 14:18.28 | frop | we're on par with DK, Mages and Lock now |
| 14:18.34 | frop | ...guess with rogues too |
| 14:18.37 | Randakar | nothing was said about DPS ;-) |
| 14:18.44 | Codayus | Part of the issue was the readiness spec was insane when fights lasted long enough to trigger everything twice. ...now that everyone is killing stuff faster, fights aren't hitting the "sweet spot" for the broken BM/readiness build. |
| 14:19.15 | WobWork | and hunters are just chaining volley now =P |
| 14:19.31 | frop | WobWork mages are chaining Blizzard... |
| 14:19.41 | frop | ...but it's not gonna take a nerf...seems |
| 14:20.05 | frop | Codayus that's the point really |
| 14:20.14 | frop | i'm actually 50/21/0 |
| 14:20.18 | WobWork | hm |
| 14:20.23 | frop | aka Readiness build |
| 14:20.24 | frop | with a cat |
| 14:20.25 | WobWork | I'd -like- to try DW dps |
| 14:20.25 | Randakar | give back the days of mandatory CC on mobs .. that should put an end to Volley spam pretty quich |
| 14:20.26 | Codayus | Randakar: They've been pretty clear they don't want DKs going nuts DW for ANY role. And they've exresely said, as recently as um...Monday...that they're looking into nerfing Killing Machine to reign in DW DPS if it seems neccesary. |
| 14:20.46 | Randakar | hmn, admitted I'm not that familiar with it |
| 14:20.53 | Codayus | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/14133216694-gc-blood-caked-blade-dw-vs-2-handed-data.html |
| 14:21.04 | WobWork | >< |
| 14:21.05 | Randakar | but they also said DW tends to dominate for DPS and they're fine with it, so meh |
| 14:21.13 | WobWork | can you imagine Killing Machine with nocooldown HN |
| 14:21.15 | WobWork | er HB |
| 14:21.34 | WobWork | I can see everyone's fps dropping like a rock =) |
| 14:21.51 | Randakar | to be honest I couldn't care less, I only wish they'd amp the difficulty up a little, half my guild is bored to death |
| 14:22.03 | Codayus | "The goal is to let death knights make a choice between DW or 2H dps. We realize there is a risk that DW will overtake 2H at some point, but that is not the goal." "We haven't decided if we are going to take steps yet to back off DW damage. I think the jury is still out on whether we are going to see a lot or most DKs go the DW route." |
| 14:22.19 | Randakar | ah right |
| 14:22.44 | Randakar | I wonder what that choice entails though. There has to be some kind of tradeoff there |
| 14:23.03 | nevcairiel | DW requires more hit, obviously |
| 14:23.35 | WobWork | It doesn't seem to be hurting the majority of DW DKs |
| 14:23.37 | Randakar | of course but that's not a tradeoff, that just means everyone respecs DW on higher gear levels |
| 14:23.46 | nevcairiel | with one problem, that the frost/unholy hybrid DK build does most of its damage with howling blast |
| 14:23.54 | nevcairiel | which doesnt have the hit penality |
| 14:23.56 | nevcairiel | since its a spell |
| 14:24.11 | WobWork | with KM? |
| 14:24.15 | Randakar | well it has it's own hit penalty but yeah ;-) |
| 14:24.31 | Codayus | Eh... Howling blast needs more hit than oblit, no? :-) |
| 14:25.04 | nevcairiel | and yeah, KM makes you put out insane amounts of HB crits |
| 14:25.12 | Randakar | Codayus: yes but it doesn't matter if you duel-wield or not |
| 14:25.14 | mikma | oh obli... that'll be insane with the new glyph |
| 14:25.34 | nevcairiel | alot of small fast hits that can all crit |
| 14:25.35 | nevcairiel | KM heaven |
| 14:28.27 | WobWork | unless they lower the ppm for KM |
| 14:28.44 | nevcairiel | currently it isnt limited at all |
| 14:28.48 | WobWork | yeah |
| 14:29.07 | mikma | i wonder how will those dw hybridbuilds work in pvp |
| 14:29.07 | WobWork | That would be the easiest way to nerf DW |
| 14:29.19 | mikma | after all, all the good arenateams have unholy dk |
| 14:29.36 | mikma | most likely they love his ebon plaguebringer |
| 14:29.58 | Codayus | GC mentioned they might make KM be a ppm, which would nerf it for DW, but buff it for 2h specs. Win win all around, I suppose. |
| 14:30.19 | nevcairiel | how is that a buff to 2h? |
| 14:30.32 | mikma | yeah... |
| 14:30.35 | nevcairiel | I mean, it currently procs of all 2H crits, what more can it do? =P |
| 14:30.43 | foxlit | nev: it could proc off hits |
| 14:30.48 | Randakar | make it do more damage maybe? |
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| 14:30.58 | foxlit | tuned to be a specific amount of procs per minute. |
| 14:31.00 | nevcairiel | KM doesnt do damage |
| 14:31.05 | Codayus | nevcairiel: Adjust the proc chance based on weapon speed, basically. |
| 14:31.10 | Randakar | right, I know nothing about deathknights :P |
| 14:31.11 | WobWork | it makes the next X a 50% chance to crit |
| 14:31.15 | mikma | KM just adds 50% chance that next is crit |
| 14:31.16 | procule | hello |
| 14:31.21 | Codayus | Would require a fair amount of reworking the talent. |
| 14:32.01 | WobWork | maybe it would be more accurate to say "It's a nerf to DW but less of an impact on 2H" |
| 14:32.13 | Randakar | so let me get this straight, this single ability adds 50% crit rate for 2-handers? or am I missing something here? |
| 14:32.21 | Codayus | "Yeah, we agree with Sawney. A proc per minute on Killing Machine would nerf DW a little while making an expensive talent more attractive for 2H Frost. |
| 14:32.32 | WobWork | After landing a critical strike from an auto attack, there is a 50% chance your next Icy Touch, Howling Blast or Frost Strike will be a critical strike. |
| 14:32.35 | procule | it may be a stupid question but... is there a way to develop and test addon while the servers are in maintenance ? a sort of offline mode |
| 14:32.47 | Randakar | ah, that's the bit I missed ;-) |
| 14:32.51 | WobWork | procule: There's WoWBench, but it's not been updated in a while |
| 14:32.57 | ZorbaTHut | procule, not really any practical one |
| 14:33.05 | procule | humm ok |
| 14:33.09 | procule | that's bad |
| 14:33.12 | WobWork | aside from having an EU account =) |
| 14:33.13 | Randakar | hmn, install lua and run it through there? |
| 14:33.16 | ZorbaTHut | unless you have a large module that doesn't interface with the WoW API |
| 14:33.20 | mikma | randakar: no... |
| 14:33.26 | ZorbaTHut | in which case you can run it through lua, which may or may not be worth the time to rig up |
| 14:33.27 | mikma | randakar: After landing a critical strike from an auto attack, there is a 50% chance your next Icy Touch, Howling Blast or Frost Strike will be a critical strike. |
| 14:33.34 | Randakar | it's what I do to test if it at least doesn't throw up huge errors when loaded |
| 14:33.37 | WobWork | mikma: slow mikma is slow =P |
| 14:33.48 | mikma | aye, been up almost 24h :D |
| 14:33.59 | procule | ZorbaTHut: that would be quite useless ;) |
| 14:34.21 | ZorbaTHut | in my case it's actually very useful, but I admit that my case is kind of nonstandard when it comes to WoW UI mods :( |
| 14:35.04 | Randakar | procule: Depends really - some addons just don't interface that much with the WoW UI and the bits it does have can be emulated |
| 14:35.04 | mikma | wooooo! |
| 14:35.05 | procule | mikma: was up 36h yesterday coding a mod :-O |
| 14:35.09 | mikma | just stick it in my vein! |
| 14:35.23 | mikma | procule: dude, that's hazardous for addons! |
| 14:35.24 | Randakar | for me it's handy because I don't have WoW at work but I still code up stuff there ;-) |
| 14:35.33 | mikma | procule: all the typos and stupid errors! |
| 14:35.37 | WobWork | hm, Sigil of the Unfaltering Knight |
| 14:35.49 | mikma | the ventuce coin -sigil is nice |
| 14:35.50 | WobWork | just how useful would a "chance to up defense" be? |
| 14:35.51 | Randakar | mikma: exactly |
| 14:36.02 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/newsigils308.jpg |
| 14:36.07 | Randakar | depends, how much does it up defense? |
| 14:36.11 | WobWork | 10 |
| 14:36.13 | foxlit | WobWork: it's 100% chance, np. |
| 14:36.14 | Randakar | def is still miss, dodge, and parry |
| 14:36.21 | WobWork | s'true |
| 14:36.22 | procule | Randakar: well, i need to use some events triggered by a battle |
| 14:36.34 | Codayus | WobWork: It's...much better than it seems at first glance, but a bit worse than it seems at second glance. :-) |
| 14:36.36 | WobWork | how long is the defense boost? |
| 14:36.42 | foxlit | 30 seconds or something |
| 14:36.44 | foxlit | It's very humane |
| 14:36.57 | foxlit | I wonder if that patch will be the time to create /cast Foo /equip Bar macros for everything |
| 14:37.04 | WobWork | hm |
| 14:37.06 | WobWork | I dunno |
| 14:37.06 | Randakar | procule: you can just simulate those events going off to test the code |
| 14:37.15 | WobWork | if I weren't capped... that would be a risky thing to use to cap myself |
| 14:37.26 | foxlit | Not really, no. |
| 14:37.30 | Randakar | doesn't help if the events work differently than you think but it should help shake out the easy bits |
| 14:37.34 | WobWork | cause once things get hectic, and you -need- the crit immunity |
| 14:37.42 | WobWork | and your IT misses or something... |
| 14:37.45 | foxlit | It's very graceful, you'll keep it up without effort most of the time |
| 14:37.47 | Codayus | As long as your connecting with IT, it's up all the time. But... unholy doesn't use IT that often, and it's a spell so has a high miss chance, and there's all sorts of movement/fight start/phases issues where it could drop off. |
| 14:37.53 | WobWork | or you're silenced =P |
| 14:38.06 | foxlit | If you're silenced for that long, you have other problems. |
| 14:38.08 | procule | Randakar: oh right, i could do that, setting the variable and simulate the "uping" each second |
| 14:38.15 | WobWork | You don't have to be silenced for long |
| 14:38.23 | WobWork | just long enough for the buff to wear off |
| 14:38.26 | WobWork | and a lucky crit |
| 14:38.39 | Randakar | procule: The upside of that is that you won't need to actually fight stuff to get combat events ;-) |
| 14:38.40 | procule | i just installed SciTE and personalized it. much better than notepad (without the ++) |
| 14:38.43 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't consider that to contribute towards crit immunity, myself |
| 14:38.48 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 14:38.52 | ZorbaTHut | mitigation, absolutely, but not crit immunity |
| 14:39.00 | foxlit | WobWork: you're aware of how long the buff is, and how often you recast IT? |
| 14:39.02 | WobWork | the whole point of crit immunity is that it is there |
| 14:39.14 | Codayus | It's iffy relying on it for crit immunity since one miss on the pull and your not actually immune. OTOH, you have to get a miss (or some other screw up) AND a crit, so...it's almost certainly good. |
| 14:39.18 | ZorbaTHut | procule, scite is what I've been using for development for years :) |
| 14:39.53 | Randakar | WobWork: hmn, how much is armor worth to you deathknight types? |
| 14:39.56 | procule | i downloaded the scite WoW ui dev and customized the behaviour, pretty cool |
| 14:40.07 | WobWork | Randakar: about the same as everyone else? |
| 14:40.21 | WobWork | (aside from druids) |
| 14:40.21 | Codayus | Lots, although it depends if it's the magic armor that gets multiplied by frsot presence, or the defective armor that doesn't. :-/ |
| 14:40.38 | Randakar | not really true is it? Warriors and Paladins have shields, and those tend to add a bucketload of armor |
| 14:40.56 | WobWork | well, yes, but armour as a stat is just as useful |
| 14:40.57 | Codayus | (DKs get a huge multiplier to armor too, don't forget.) |
| 14:41.04 | procule | customizing is cool, i lot to mod WoW to act like i need |
| 14:41.07 | procule | great thing |
| 14:41.07 | Codayus | ...well, large multiplier. |
| 14:41.17 | WobWork | 60%? |
| 14:41.21 | Randakar | large enough to offset the diff I take it? |
| 14:41.25 | WobWork | what's it after patch now? |
| 14:41.32 | foxlit | 80, probably |
| 14:41.39 | WobWork | yeah 80% |
| 14:41.43 | Codayus | Randakar: What diff? DKs cant use shields, that doesn't say anything about whether we'd LIKE to. |
| 14:41.59 | Codayus | Armor is armor, and DKs get a multiplier. There's nothing to offset. |
| 14:42.00 | Randakar | the diff between having a shield and not having one :-) |
| 14:42.13 | Codayus | Not having a sheild doesn't make armor worse. |
| 14:42.32 | WobWork | The value of armour doesn't change |
| 14:42.36 | WobWork | just the amount we have access to |
| 14:42.38 | Randakar | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43085 |
| 14:42.43 | Randakar | 7530 armor ;-) |
| 14:42.51 | nevcairiel | DKs have a modifier |
| 14:42.58 | nevcairiel | in the end its the same armor as a warrior |
| 14:43.03 | Codayus | Armor has fairly linear returns unless you hit the cap, which DKs won't without best in slot gear, inspiration, and a glyphed unbreakable armor proc. :-p |
| 14:43.14 | Codayus | (IIRC the math.) |
| 14:43.15 | Randakar | I was just wondering how much +armor trinkets are worth to you guys compared to other classes |
| 14:43.30 | mikma | worthless in next patch lolo |
| 14:43.31 | nevcairiel | Since 3.0.8 will take them off the modifier |
| 14:43.39 | Codayus | Randakar: Pre patch? More than anyone but a druid. Post patch, exactly the same as everyone. |
| 14:43.47 | mikma | what's the armorcap anyway |
| 14:43.47 | Randakar | fair enough |
| 14:43.55 | nevcairiel | Druids still value the trinkets more then other classes |
| 14:44.06 | nevcairiel | because they only have like 2 defense stats |
| 14:44.07 | Randakar | wait, it's possible to hit the cap at all? |
| 14:44.17 | Randakar | wasn't it a goal to make it impossible for any class to hit that? |
| 14:44.30 | nevcairiel | You can still hit it with certain buffs and procs |
| 14:44.35 | WobWork | Never underestimate the ingenuity of players =P |
| 14:44.36 | nevcairiel | but not permantenly like druids did before |
| 14:44.39 | Randakar | haha |
| 14:44.44 | Randakar | yeah, good point |
| 14:45.20 | foxlit | http://wcradio.com/assets/img/shows/banners/51.jpg |
| 14:45.23 | ZorbaTHut | if there was a stacking enchant that required one of every kind of dust, essence, and shard, and gave 10 armor, *someone* would apply enough of them to reach the armor cap. |
| 14:45.24 | foxlit | ^ awesome banner. |
| 14:46.02 | Randakar | s/someone/everyone/ |
| 14:46.03 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: And it would be a level 9 twink |
| 14:46.05 | Randakar | :P |
| 14:46.26 | WobWork | who would then stand in Goldshire and duel |
| 14:46.36 | ZorbaTHut | randakar, I don't even want to think about how expensive that would be. I don't think it would be everyone ;) |
| 14:46.51 | Randakar | well, the high end guild would all do it at least :P |
| 14:46.57 | ZorbaTHut | true :) |
| 14:46.58 | Randakar | on the main tanks if noone else |
| 14:47.10 | WobWork | Randakar: once they made all their members respec to enchanting =) |
| 14:47.19 | Randakar | and their alts too |
| 14:47.26 | Randakar | and possibly some friendly helper guilds :P |
| 14:47.35 | WobWork | socrazy |
| 14:47.41 | ZorbaTHut | and inflate the price of enchanting mats by a factor of four in the process ;) |
| 14:47.55 | Codayus | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.00 | Randakar | muh, that just means more gold farmers :P |
| 14:48.01 | Codayus | I still remember the AQ gate opening... |
| 14:48.16 | Randakar | crazy days? |
| 14:49.37 | Randakar | woops |
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| 14:50.50 | Randakar | muh, accidental right clicks ftw |
| 14:56.41 | Randakar | hmn |
| 14:58.06 | Cidan | damn it |
| 14:58.19 | Cidan | WoW should never go offline |
| 14:58.34 | Cidan | I demand congress pass a law making it illegal for WoW to go offline. |
| 15:00.57 | Lunessa | Cidan: I demand Congress make a law making you finally graduate and spend time finishing Conspiracy. |
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| 15:03.55 | procule | the WoW API said that UnitMana as been changed to UnitPower as of 3.0.2, but is the first function still working ? |
| 15:04.06 | nevcairiel | I think its still there, yea |
| 15:04.13 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7504-EluneDKPatlas.html ... wheee! |
| 15:04.31 | `-FISKER_Q | http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk30/LukeFrogley/1230292452melikepictures5.jpg <-ahaha atleast they tried :E |
| 15:05.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, nobin, good luck! |
| 15:05.19 | procule | lol |
| 15:05.21 | mikma | hint, don't mention perl |
| 15:05.45 | nevcairiel | that was fast |
| 15:06.03 | nobin | it was over a span of a weeks |
| 15:06.03 | `-FISKER_Q | Why would you want to interview intel? |
| 15:06.20 | nobin | Graphics driver development |
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| 15:07.12 | Cidan | Lunessa: That hurt, D= |
| 15:07.15 | Cidan | Lunessa: lol |
| 15:07.31 | Randakar | hmn, what kind of drivers? |
| 15:07.40 | Randakar | damn :P |
| 15:08.18 | Lunessa | Cidan: /tinfoilhat |
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| 15:18.13 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:18.23 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy-dear. |
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| 15:22.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, ooof, Shirik! :) |
| 15:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It's 8:20.... wtf am I doing awake? |
| 15:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | Go back to bed. |
| 15:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | If only if only |
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| 15:29.22 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: First week of classes? |
| 15:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: next week |
| 15:30.11 | Lunessa | Then I have no clue why you're out of bed. |
| 15:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Me either! |
| 15:31.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Classes start tomorrow for me :( |
| 15:31.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Odd day for them to start |
| 15:31.32 | nevcairiel | mien started yesterday already |
| 15:33.27 | Lopeppeppy | Classes start here like... the 20th. |
| 15:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Although I do have to buy books some time this week |
| 15:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And I still need the investment company to pay my tuition... from last semster |
| 15:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 15:35.09 | Lopeppeppy | Books are for sissies.... |
| 15:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: and rich people! |
| 15:37.15 | Lopeppeppy | oh yeah. ?Those too |
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| 15:39.54 | hipjipp | evening people! anyone awake enought to answer my question? |
| 15:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe maybe, pastey your code or ask. |
| 15:40.45 | Olorin | you'll probably get an answer, weather it will make sense in another matter hehe |
| 15:40.48 | hipjipp | is there such a thing as "GetAlpha()" and how do i call it? i used it in my addon, but it does nothing and returns no errors |
| 15:40.54 | hipjipp | olorin: hehe |
| 15:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | frame:GetAlpha() |
| 15:41.13 | hipjipp | i tried "bars:SetAlpha(MainMenuBar:GetAlpha());" but it does nothing.. :< |
| 15:41.22 | hipjipp | it wont change the alpha of the frame |
| 15:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | As much as I'd love to login and run a single line of code proving that :GetAlpha does exist.... ;) |
| 15:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | My realms are down. |
| 15:42.40 | hipjipp | :< |
| 15:43.05 | Lopeppeppy | It's tuesday. |
| 15:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | But it seems that the PTR is up! |
| 15:43.17 | hipjipp | i have another question, about an event handler.. i'll pastey the code, hang on =) |
| 15:43.22 | Olorin | hipjipp try checking the value that MainMenuBar:GetAlpha() is getting |
| 15:43.30 | hipjipp | was just about to.. :P |
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| 15:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(MainMenuBar:GetAlpha()) <-- works fine |
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| 15:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Note: if you're doing this code in the new secure headers or whatever, there is NOT a :GetAlpha() |
| 15:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly because there is no real need |
| 15:45.00 | frop | anyone using a Belking n52te? |
| 15:45.12 | frop | s/Belking/Belkin |
| 15:45.28 | Olorin | the ingame Lua thingy Cladhaire wrote is great for testing bits of code like that Hipjipp |
| 15:47.21 | mikma | hipjipp: well you also need to know that default mainmenubar has alpha 1 |
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| 15:48.23 | hipjipp | ofc i know that.. but i'm trying to make a second function that just sets the alpha of the bars to 1/0 and it looks retarded if the graphics are still showing when the bar(s) is invisible.. |
| 15:49.36 | mikma | thats because game does not use setalpha |
| 15:49.42 | mikma | it uses hide/show |
| 15:50.59 | hipjipp | mikma: don't want to create taint, therefore the SetAlpha.. and it's fixed now.. forgot that it needs to be checked in every frame, and not only the first time.. :P |
| 15:51.53 | mikma | well dont hide stuff in combat =) easy as pie |
| 15:52.28 | hipjipp | i dont.. i only try to move them, and i stop that if i'm in combat.. |
| 15:52.50 | hipjipp | anyone wanna help me with fixing the tooltip if a modifier key i down.. |
| 15:55.16 | Lopeppeppy | afk sheeple! |
| 15:56.57 | Olorin | Ackis you there? |
| 16:03.22 | procule | is there a function to get the mana/energy needed to cast/do a certain spell/ability ? |
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| 16:03.35 | procule | i'm looking in the api doc and can't find anything |
| 16:04.15 | hipjipp | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellInfo |
| 16:04.58 | m3lin | is that info changed depending on talents? |
| 16:04.58 | Xocide | Doesn't that just tell you the power type? (mana/energy/rage/etc) |
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| 16:05.13 | Olorin | its got powercost element |
| 16:05.19 | Xocide | No wait, it does tell you the cost, stupid me >_> |
| 16:05.22 | Olorin | powerCost rather |
| 16:05.25 | hipjipp | if you read it all there's a argument for powercost and another for the powertype |
| 16:05.28 | frop | name, rank, icon, cost, isFunnel, powerType, castTime, minRange, maxRange |
| 16:05.28 | frop | = GetSpellInfo(spellId or spellName or spellLink) |
| 16:05.33 | procule | aaah yeah |
| 16:05.34 | procule | cost |
| 16:05.55 | procule | well that function is not in the list of the wiki |
| 16:05.58 | m3lin | does the cost change if you have a talent that changes the cost? |
| 16:06.02 | hipjipp | a smart thing might be to check the cost and the powerType to get the correct value |
| 16:06.06 | procule | m3lin: yes some |
| 16:06.07 | hipjipp | probably |
| 16:06.18 | m3lin | I mean, the info you get from SpellInfo |
| 16:06.47 | Olorin | presumebly thats how actionbars check if spell is castable... |
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| 16:07.03 | m3lin | probably :P |
| 16:07.17 | procule | that would make sense :-) |
| 16:09.07 | foxlit | "procule: well that function is not in the list of the wiki" << which list? |
| 16:09.45 | procule | the listing http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 16:10.04 | foxlit | Have you tried... using your browser's Find feature? |
| 16:10.09 | cog|away | yar har fiddle dee dee |
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| 16:10.29 | procule | hahaha |
| 16:10.34 | procule | i'm blind i think ;) |
| 16:11.03 | procule | well thanks ! |
| 16:13.12 | Lunessa | mmmm.... hot chocolate. |
| 16:13.34 | procule | well now i need to wait until the servers come back :( |
| 16:13.55 | Olorin | why not use PTR? |
| 16:14.15 | Olorin | or has it gone down now too? |
| 16:14.36 | procule | what is PTR ? hehe |
| 16:14.40 | procule | i'm new at this |
| 16:14.50 | Olorin | Patch Test Realm |
| 16:14.58 | mikma | public? |
| 16:15.04 | Olorin | aye |
| 16:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | worldofwarcraft.com/ptr |
| 16:15.43 | Seerah | Lunessa: I have hot chocolate, too! :) |
| 16:15.44 | Olorin | could be lol |
| 16:15.49 | Seerah | it's public |
| 16:15.55 | Lunessa | <3 Seerah |
| 16:16.00 | procule | oh will looke at that thanks ! |
| 16:16.45 | Olorin | oops, makes mental note and knows he'll forget it in few mins |
| 16:16.57 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 16:17.00 | Shirik|Ecole | which should I take? |
| 16:17.15 | Shirik|Ecole | SE_510_01DB (121034) Software Project Management |
| 16:17.16 | Shirik|Ecole | SE_575_01DB (121036) Software Safety |
| 16:17.23 | procule | aah too much coffee, i see odd things flying. i need a beer |
| 16:17.27 | Seerah | door number One! |
| 16:17.55 | Olorin | Software Safety and save us from the skynet invasion |
| 16:18.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Of course, neither of them I can register for BECAUSE ONLINE REGISTRATION SUCKS |
| 16:18.12 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'd go with the first for "looks better on a resume' |
| 16:18.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I swear, every semester I find a course where it's all "lolol you can't take this course" |
| 16:18.53 | Shirik|Ecole | And I'm like "stfu" and then have to go see the head of department and have him sign a paper and register manually |
| 16:19.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa: Well I have to take both eventually |
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| 16:19.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I have 3 other undergrad courses I'm taking though, so I'm trying not to overload myself |
| 16:19.50 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:19.51 | Shirik|Ecole | but I need one more course to go full time |
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| 16:20.02 | Amarande | one never realizes just how addicted one is to WoW until one starts waking up early on a Tuesday |
| 16:20.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I have like 4 hours to decide ^_^ |
| 16:20.25 | Amarande | Shirik: till maintenance ends? :) |
| 16:20.31 | Lunessa | Shirik|Ecole: I hear you. Take whichever has a lesser load then. |
| 16:20.47 | Shirik|Ecole | Well I know the SE510 class has an easier professor |
| 16:21.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Amarande: Registration office closes at 4 and class starts tomorrow |
| 16:21.19 | Shirik|Ecole | And since I have to do a manual registration... |
| 16:21.52 | Shirik|Ecole | oop! Found the answer |
| 16:22.03 | Seerah | what's in the box! |
| 16:22.08 | Shirik|Ecole | SE510: 01/12/2009-04/27/2009 Lecture Monday 05:15PM - 08:15PM, Lehman Building, Room 162 |
| 16:22.11 | Shirik|Ecole | SE575: 01/13/2009-04/28/2009 Lecture Tuesday 05:15PM - 08:15PM, Lehman Building, Room 162 |
| 16:22.15 | Shirik|Ecole | SE575 conflicts with raid time |
| 16:22.18 | Shirik|Ecole | choice: SE510 |
| 16:22.23 | Seerah | rofl |
| 16:22.25 | Olorin | hehe |
| 16:22.26 | Shirik|Ecole | See, WoW makes real life easier, not harder |
| 16:22.28 | procule | lol |
| 16:22.31 | Amarande | Shirik: basing your real life around WoW ... :| |
| 16:22.49 | Amarande | of course, maybe if I was willing to do the same with work, I could do some of the finer things in life |
| 16:22.51 | Amarande | like raid |
| 16:22.56 | Amarande | and get involved in useless drama over loot |
| 16:23.05 | Shirik|Ecole | 510 is what I was leaning toward anyway |
| 16:23.10 | Shirik|Ecole | 575 is going to be a lot of work |
| 16:24.23 | Amarande | and hopefully there's enough money in the remaining three and a half zones of questing I have to afford my Dalaran ring |
| 16:24.33 | Amarande | since I'm down to about 2500g, from about 4000 from grinding up JC last night |
| 16:24.41 | `-FISKER_Q | Soon Shirik |
| 16:24.53 | `-FISKER_Q | you won't be able to stop me |
| 16:25.11 | Seerah | your name looks funny today fisker :P |
| 16:25.31 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
| 16:25.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Student does not pass the eligibility rules setup for this registration |
| 16:25.34 | Shirik|Ecole | New incoming students to residential campus cannot use web registration. |
| 16:25.42 | Shirik|Ecole | How the hell do I count as a "New incoming student to residential campus" |
| 16:26.07 | Shirik|Ecole | AND AT THE SAME TIME it says "As a senior, this is an important time in your life. You should get an academic evaluation done..." |
| 16:26.26 | Seerah | is the class part of a separate school (RC?) |
| 16:26.32 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 16:26.41 | Seerah | we had an RC at Michigan |
| 16:26.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I swear our web registration is just plain horrible |
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| 16:27.12 | Amarande | Shirik: epic fail? |
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| 16:27.54 | Shirik|Ecole | Every semester I find a reason I have to manually register |
| 16:27.56 | procule | that PTR has a lot of downloads |
| 16:28.14 | Seerah | procule: it gets patched a lot - it's a test realm |
| 16:28.18 | Shirik|Ecole | this year I also had to manually register for stats because I got high school credit for Calc 1, and so it said I never registered for calc 1 |
| 16:28.24 | Seerah | Fisker-: that looks better ;) |
| 16:28.30 | Shirik|Ecole | s/registered/took/ |
| 16:28.44 | Shirik|Ecole | even though, you know, I passed like diff eq and matrix algebra |
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| 16:29.09 | procule | aaah matrices are cool |
| 16:29.40 | Shirik|Ecole | I have to go take a shower now, bbl |
| 16:30.22 | Amarande | agh |
| 16:30.25 | Amarande | remind me to sleep in on Tuesdays |
| 16:30.42 | mikma | hah |
| 16:30.54 | mikma | did talking to us make shirik|ecole feel dirty? |
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| 16:32.30 | Amarande | well, the average active member of #wowuidev does seem to have a mind that makes the undercity sewer seem clean :D |
| 16:34.16 | Olorin | anyone have any experience of doing a custom scrolling frame that wouldnt mind looking at my table to see if im missing somthing? |
| 16:35.36 | Olorin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105659 if they wouldnt mind, kinda throwing myself in the deep end with this but we'll see |
| 16:35.58 | mikma | custom scrolling frame that wouldnt mind looking at my table ... |
| 16:36.07 | mikma | im sure the frame dont mind |
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| 16:37.34 | Seerah | ~lart mikma |
| 16:37.34 | purl | gives mikma an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending mikma to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 16:37.47 | Olorin | cheers for Seerah |
| 16:38.14 | Seerah | ~poke mikma |
| 16:38.14 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind mikma, pokes mikma repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:38.23 | Seerah | :D |
| 16:38.56 | Amarande | soo ... any word whether 3.0.8 is today? |
| 16:39.44 | Olorin | nope and my server just came up |
| 16:40.00 | Olorin | so i guess not |
| 16:40.01 | Anaral | It isn't. If it were, there would be word by now and people buzzing wanting download sources. ;) |
| 16:41.44 | Amarande | Light, how are some of these servers high pop already, when it's just been up for a couple minutes? |
| 16:41.54 | Amarande | do people sit there pounding the log on button over and over and over till the server comes up? :| |
| 16:42.18 | Seerah | maybe |
| 16:42.20 | Anaral | Yes |
| 16:42.33 | Anaral | Or they keep their client open to the server window |
| 16:43.52 | Olorin | bugger, Titansteel cd still not up, never gonna get this blasted armor made |
| 16:44.13 | Amarande | are the maintenance hours counted towards things like CD's? |
| 16:44.39 | Amarande | yay, Turalyon is up |
| 16:45.04 | Olorin | thinks so Amarnde |
| 16:46.00 | Amarande | agh |
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| 16:46.14 | Amarande | I need a solid state hard drive or something |
| 16:46.20 | Amarande | dalaran load times ftl |
| 16:46.56 | Lopeppeppy | I hear very evil things about dalaran. |
| 16:47.48 | nevcairiel | dalaran load times really cannot be improved on your comp |
| 16:48.35 | procule | aah the spellids change when they upgrade |
| 16:48.38 | procule | that's fun |
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| 16:49.26 | Amarande | Heya Lopeppeppy :) |
| 16:49.39 | Amarande | hm. I should send some of these dream signets to my guildies before I auction the rest |
| 16:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Amarande. |
| 16:49.59 | Amarande | for a hunter: attack power or hit rating first? |
| 16:50.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 16:50.40 | Amarande | i.e., should I send my hunter guildie a Dream Signet of the Marksman, or should I send her a Dream Signet of the Bandit? |
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| 16:51.11 | Fisker- | nevcairiel |
| 16:51.20 | Fisker- | I am going to has new PSU |
| 16:51.27 | Fisker- | and going to has new GPU |
| 16:51.28 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 16:51.38 | Fisker- | Then i'll jeep jeep i'm a beep |
| 16:55.07 | m3lin | anyone know a slick art UI addon? I want a nice template to work from to add a bottomside panel with slick art |
| 16:55.22 | Seerah | you could look at Sunn Viewport Art |
| 16:55.36 | Seerah | has 7(?) art packs, too |
| 16:56.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sunn is very easy to use. |
| 17:03.38 | Amarande | ok ... gifts sent out to guildies, time to do dailies and AH stuff. |
| 17:04.11 | Amarande | you know, it would be sooooo much easier if I could just get a 5-man group and kill the Thrym-on-the-road rather than having to do it with this vehicle |
| 17:05.19 | nevcairiel | its so easy on that giant |
| 17:05.24 | Amarande | nev: not really |
| 17:05.28 | Amarande | if you just had to kill Thrym, probably |
| 17:05.35 | Amarande | the problem is that I never seem to be able to manage my health well enough |
| 17:05.44 | Amarande | especially since I usually have about 50 million Scourge on me at the time, too |
| 17:05.46 | nevcairiel | just make sure there is a healing cloud in your range |
| 17:05.51 | Amarande | and am weakened from Prince |
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| 17:06.15 | nevcairiel | and the scourge can just be dealt with with the AoE |
| 17:06.32 | nevcairiel | -with |
| 17:06.34 | Lopeppeppy | If you have AoE |
| 17:06.40 | nevcairiel | that giant does |
| 17:06.52 | Ian_corne | lol |
| 17:06.54 | nevcairiel | your own class does not matter at all, you just sit on that guy |
| 17:12.18 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa, my server is up |
| 17:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Nearly 2h early? |
| 17:14.32 | durcyn | just means it'll crash spectacularly soon, don't get too excited. |
| 17:15.15 | procule | they are almost all up |
| 17:15.36 | procule | is there a way to reload a script without quitting ? |
| 17:16.01 | zenzelezz | /script ReloadUI() |
| 17:16.09 | zenzelezz | you're also likely to have a /reload |
| 17:16.23 | durcyn | also /console reloadui |
| 17:16.54 | Anaral | *smirk* I was wondering how long it would take someone to make an addon like this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12079-LunarSphere.html |
| 17:17.11 | procule | thanks ! |
| 17:17.35 | Lopeppeppy | That's been around for a while, IIRC, anaral. |
| 17:17.38 | durcyn | procule: be aware it only picks up changes to files other than tocs |
| 17:18.13 | Lopeppeppy | Or at least something like it, I remember a generic sphere addon from WowAce. |
| 17:18.14 | Anaral | Lopeppeppy, yeah I'm looking at the site now. Who knew. |
| 17:18.28 | procule | that's ok |
| 17:21.21 | Anaral | Hmm, I can't remember what addon I was originally looking for on WoWI. I hate when that happens. |
| 17:23.23 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:23.35 | Amarande | apparently, I'm making life difficult for questers when I go to my favorite chilled meat stomping grounds |
| 17:24.24 | Anaral | Heh |
| 17:24.26 | Anaral | Which is? |
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| 17:34.04 | Amarande | Anaral: middle of Zul'Drak, the basilisks |
| 17:34.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn|afk: haha, http://www.wowinterface.com/storage/newsimages/iamsmiling.gif |
| 17:34.59 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 17:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I found that single line of text immensely amusing |
| 17:35.54 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
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| 17:36.10 | Cairenn|afk | well, and I suggest peace - after I throw a snowball at everyone ;) |
| 17:36.53 | Amarande | yay, crocolisks in the city |
| 17:36.57 | Amarande | I'd better not lose another old crafty ... :| |
| 17:37.01 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 17:37.07 | Cairenn|afk | hi hi |
| 17:38.24 | Amarande | How's you? |
| 17:39.25 | Cairenn|afk | I am |
| 17:39.26 | Cairenn|afk | you? |
| 17:40.14 | Amarande | doing good :) |
| 17:41.55 | Amarande | say, will 3.0.8 fix the old crafty bug? |
| 17:43.53 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/19/funny-pictures-happy-christmas-face/ |
| 17:44.33 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 17:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | Cat should not eat tinsels. |
| 17:44.46 | Cairenn|afk | nope, very very bad |
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| 17:47.17 | Lunessa | That's been on my office door since dec 01. |
| 17:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | Your office needs redecoration now, ya. |
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| 17:48.26 | Lunessa | Yeah, but... it needs to not clash with my wow desk calendar and all my action figures. |
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| 17:52.18 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl, I never saw this |
| 17:52.20 | Shirik|Ecole | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=10023&sid=1&topicId=12454665647#0 |
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| 17:52.57 | Hirsute | Wow... I've been using the Fast Dial addon for Firefox (creates a Chrome-like page in new tabs with icons for a bunch of websites from my bookmarks). |
| 17:53.12 | Hirsute | An update was released yesterday that.... was not well thought-out or well-tested before being released. |
| 17:53.37 | Hirsute | 10 pages of "WTF?" style comments on the page for it at addons.mozilla later... |
| 17:53.51 | Hirsute | That's a crap load of response right there. |
| 17:54.13 | nevcairiel | good way to test how many users you hav |
| 17:54.39 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 17:54.51 | Hirsute | Yes, and to reduce your user load as well. |
| 17:55.24 | haste | so what did it do wrong? |
| 17:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, just a good way to test how many vocal users you have |
| 17:55.47 | Hirsute | Particularly when your only response to people's complaints is "That problem is caused by the ****** addon, disable it" when the other addon hasn't changed in months. |
| 17:56.56 | Dewin | Is someone with magic powers from wowinterface in channel currently? |
| 17:56.57 | Lunessa | If I want Chrome, I'll use Chrome. If I want FF3 I'll use FF3. |
| 17:57.13 | Hirsute | haste: It added three "sponsor" bookmarks to the page, changed your default search engine, causes double-height tab bar by installing an icon there that doesn't play well with a setting in Tab Mix Plus, stopped showing up on new blank tabs like it used to, again because of a code that made it not play well with Tab Mix Plus, freezes your address bar if you're running IETab, and breaks the... |
| 17:57.14 | Cairenn|afk | Dewin: what's up? |
| 17:57.19 | Hirsute | ...WebDeveloper addon. |
| 17:57.22 | nevcairiel | You might prefer FF3 but miss Feature X, why not use an addon? :) |
| 17:57.37 | Hirsute | Lunessa: *nod* Unfortunately, I mostly want FF3, but do like one or two features of Chrome, thus the addon. |
| 17:57.57 | Dewin | Cairenn: I uploaded http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12136-MacaroonbugfixpatchforcurrentPTRbuild3.0.8.html last night and just now this morning finally figured out how to upload it as an optional patch for Macaroon rather than being its own entirely isolated addon. Is there a way you could fix this? |
| 17:58.10 | Dewin | Macaroon here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=10636#comments |
| 17:58.39 | Lunessa | Hirsute: I hear you. Want I want actually is AdBlockPlus and NoScript for Chrome. |
| 17:58.54 | Shirik|Ecole | Dewin: Why you not like me |
| 17:59.10 | Lunessa | I like Chrome. I prefer my the control I get with FF3 and those two tools. |
| 17:59.24 | Dewin | Shirik: Huh? |
| 17:59.28 | Cairenn|afk | Dewin: fixed |
| 17:59.32 | haste | I usually use midori as my browser |
| 17:59.33 | Shirik|Ecole | Dewin: fixed |
| 17:59.34 | Hirsute | I don't run NoScript, there's too many sites I use for school that NoScript blocks. AdBlockPlus, however, yes, it's a must. I won't be changing to Chrome until I have similar functionality there. |
| 17:59.34 | Dewin | Cairenn: Thanks. |
| 17:59.36 | Shirik|Ecole | No I fixed it! |
| 17:59.38 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 17:59.39 | haste | but I'm on windows now, and chrome is nice |
| 17:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... http://notalwaysright.com/land-that-i-love/1423 |
| 17:59.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ^^ if you haven't seen it. :p |
| 17:59.58 | Dewin | Shirik: I don't have a mental list of who all the wowi people are, I know your name just not what you do :-p |
| 18:00.11 | Hirsute | There's a few other addons that I'd miss if I moved to Chrome, too, so FF is still my home. |
| 18:00.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn|afk is too fast for me :( |
| 18:00.26 | procule | does lua accept >= ? |
| 18:00.26 | Dewin | I'm pretty sure you were in channel when I asked last night too :-p |
| 18:00.33 | Lunessa | I'll say this for Chrome - it's gorammed fast. |
| 18:00.47 | Hirsute | Oh, it absolutely is. |
| 18:00.50 | haste | no, not really |
| 18:00.58 | haste | webkit is still faster |
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| 18:01.18 | Shirik|Ecole | procule |
| 18:01.20 | Shirik|Ecole | ~tias |
| 18:01.20 | purl | Try it and see! |
| 18:01.30 | Lunessa | haste Chrome is webkit. :P |
| 18:01.36 | Shirik|Ecole | ~factinfo tias |
| 18:01.36 | purl | tias -- created by findlay <n=justin@67.137.24.115> at Thu Nov 30 19:46:29 2006 (767 days); last modified at Thu May 8 01:46:46 2008 by Kaso!n=Kaso@resnet21.nat.lancs.ac.uk; it has been requested 3 times, last by Shirik|Ecole, 16s ago. |
| 18:01.45 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:01.49 | haste | Lunessa: yes, but V8 is slower than the squirrelfish extreme |
| 18:01.50 | Amarande | I really should try using Baby Spice on a gnome |
| 18:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: no |
| 18:02.05 | haste | Lunessa: and it uses a quite old version of webkit now |
| 18:02.14 | Dewin | Amarande: I use it on my resto druid raid leader so we have bonsai trees. |
| 18:02.19 | Kirov | squirrelfish? |
| 18:02.31 | haste | Kirov: the JS engine in webkit |
| 18:02.32 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, no, tias is <reply> Try it and see! You will learn more, and probably have a better feeling of satisfaction, if you experiment with simple cases to learn a language than you will by asking yes or no questions. |
| 18:02.33 | purl | Shirik|Ecole: okay |
| 18:02.37 | Lunessa | But it's still ... fast. Compare to FF3 or IE or heck even the Windows version (also owebkit) or Safari... |
| 18:02.52 | haste | FF3.1 is faster than chrome again on JS :p |
| 18:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | FF3.1 will help quite a bit. The entire UI is javascript based, and with their new JIT JS compiler, well |
| 18:03.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll be an interesting matchup once released |
| 18:03.19 | haste | Kirov: http://webkit.org/blog/214/introducing-squirrelfish-extreme/ |
| 18:03.23 | Hirsute | Now if Fast Dial will start behaving properly again. |
| 18:03.29 | Lunessa | I'm sure I'll <3 it. |
| 18:03.39 | Shirik|Ecole | fast dial is? |
| 18:04.15 | Lunessa | Mozilla is tangentially related to AOL and Netscape - projects I worked on in the 90s so I still have special places for them in my heart. |
| 18:04.16 | Hirsute | Shirik|Ecole: An addon for Firefox that adds Chrome-like page-thumbnails to blank pages. |
| 18:04.40 | Hirsute | It updated yesterday and... well, I detailed above the long list of problems with the update. |
| 18:05.00 | Shirik|Ecole | and the reason for not using chrome is? |
| 18:05.27 | Hirsute | Shirik|Ecole: Many, mostly surrounding addons for FF that provide functionality not available in Chrome. |
| 18:05.35 | Shirik|Ecole | blasphemy |
| 18:05.37 | Shirik|Ecole | chrome can do anything |
| 18:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 18:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | Can it do my laundry? |
| 18:05.47 | Lopeppeppy | I need the laundry done. |
| 18:05.49 | Kirov | I can think of one reason to not use chrome. No mouse gestures!! |
| 18:06.11 | Shirik|Ecole | mouse gestures suck |
| 18:06.13 | Shirik|Ecole | evil opera user!! |
| 18:06.14 | Lunessa | Can it get me a date with the hot blonde in accounting and finance? |
| 18:06.18 | Kirov | (I still use chrome at home simply because my laptop is dying and it takes 5 seconds to open Chrome and 10 minutes to open ff) |
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| 18:06.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Lopeppeppy, Lunessa, yes |
| 18:06.44 | Kirov | Shirik|Ecole - I use ff + firegesture |
| 18:06.45 | Hirsute | No gmail notifier that I'm aware, no AdBlockPlus, No Del.icio.us bookmarks functionality, no TwitterFox, I'm not aware of Greasemonkey for Chrome, and the list goes on. |
| 18:07.01 | Shirik|Ecole | how does chrome not have a gmail notifier? |
| 18:07.08 | Cairenn|afk | here's a question for you - what does chrome do better than what I get in FF? |
| 18:07.20 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn|afk: When you click "about" it says "Google" |
| 18:07.27 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 18:07.34 | Kirov | Cairenn|afk - faster |
| 18:07.38 | Cairenn|afk | and? |
| 18:07.46 | Hirsute | Shirik|Ecole: I don't know, but I haven't found any functionality that approximates my Gmail notifier in it. |
| 18:08.04 | Kirov | and ... when I start typing in the location bar my computer doesn't freeze for a couple of seconds after each character |
| 18:08.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn|afk: When you kill one of the processes running a page while it's still open |
| 18:08.16 | Shirik|Ecole | you get a little sad computer icon |
| 18:08.20 | NeoTron | the main thing I like with chrome, in concept, is the one-process-per-tab |
| 18:08.22 | Shirik|Ecole | that's a good enough feature for me |
| 18:08.53 | Kirov | I use ff at work and on my gaming computer, a combination of firefox and chrome at home |
| 18:09.03 | zenzelezz | I always suspected Shirik was a corporate fanboi |
| 18:09.20 | Shirik|Ecole | In all honesty, if you've ever looked at my screenshots, you'll know I use firefox and not chrome :) |
| 18:09.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm just messing around |
| 18:09.36 | Nechckn | Shirik|Ecole is the devil! |
| 18:09.42 | Olorin | like it for secuity reason or ? cant think of last time a browser window crashed for that to make a difference |
| 18:10.13 | Shirik|Ecole | it does have security benefits |
| 18:10.16 | Shirik|Ecole | though I doubt that's the real reason |
| 18:10.25 | NeoTron | however without adblock plus especially I won't ever use it |
| 18:10.26 | Dewin | Does it have Noscript? :) |
| 18:10.33 | Shirik|Ecole | screw noscript |
| 18:10.37 | NeoTron | a world without adblock plus is a world I don't want to browse in :P |
| 18:10.56 | Dewin | or TinyUrl Creator or CustomizeGoogle or ABP :) |
| 18:11.01 | Cairenn|afk | noscript + adblock plus == win |
| 18:11.03 | Shirik|Ecole | NeoTron: As a completely serious sidenote, take into consideration the fact that the majority of the sites you browse that have ads have ads for a reason |
| 18:11.09 | zenzelezz | Shirik|Ecole: be reasonable, Noscript makes your porn surfing much easier |
| 18:11.23 | Shirik|Ecole | zenzelezz: So does incognito mode |
| 18:11.33 | Kirov | The only feature of CustomizeGoogle I use is the extended search lists, which Chrome does better. |
| 18:11.49 | Amarande | btw, what's the purpose of not being able to fly over most of Dalaran? |
| 18:11.53 | zenzelezz | Shirik|Ecole: incognito mode for the paranoid |
| 18:11.55 | Amarande | aside from the fact that the lag would be horrendously horrible? |
| 18:12.02 | Kirov | Shirik|Ecole - true ... but WoW forums?! |
| 18:12.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Blizzard needs money |
| 18:12.17 | Nechckn | Amarande strategic no fly zones- to protect you from the terrorists! |
| 18:12.17 | Dewin | Hard to maintain the atmosphere of a real city when everyone just instantly flies from point A to point B. |
| 18:12.33 | Kirov | The community managers must get paid by the ad |
| 18:12.34 | Olorin | Amarande so you can go splat in middle of town cause the damn parachute didnt open |
| 18:12.37 | Hirsute | Shirik|Ecole: And I white-list sites that manage ads in a reasonable way. But I'm not going to reward sites that implement noisy, flashy, animated adds that make me want to claw my eyes out and cut off my ears. |
| 18:12.39 | Dewin | Blizzard said something along those lines. |
| 18:12.48 | Amarande | Olorin: a HANO jump? :) |
| 18:12.58 | Hirsute | AdBlockPlus makes me able to display ads on sites that implement them well, and hide them on sites that don't. |
| 18:13.07 | Dewin | Olorin: It's more fun when it glitches and doesn't dismount you, so you can fly up to one of the towers and land there.. disimount, and not be able to remount to get a parachute |
| 18:13.21 | Olorin | lol ya, happend to me other day, rather amusing that theirs a graveyard in dalaran, or so i found out |
| 18:13.40 | Shirik|Ecole | why wouldn't there be? |
| 18:13.44 | Shirik|Ecole | It's fairly easy to die there |
| 18:13.58 | NeoTron | Shirik|Ecole: I have sites myself with ads but that is of no concern to me |
| 18:14.03 | Shirik|Ecole | granted, it would have to be out of stupidity |
| 18:14.05 | Shirik|Ecole | but anyone can do it |
| 18:14.14 | Kirov | wowinterface - ads! penny arcade - ads! most of the other comics I read - ads! ... ShackNews - no ads (but I'm also a very old registered user so I turn them off) |
| 18:14.30 | Shirik|Ecole | wowinterface doesn't have to have ads ;) |
| 18:14.33 | Kirov | Bluesnews - no ads, would like to, but some of them are SOOO bad |
| 18:14.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't have ads! |
| 18:14.43 | NeoTron | I also don't watch ads on TV |
| 18:14.47 | Kirov | Shirik|Ecole - true |
| 18:15.16 | Cide | not a valid argument |
| 18:15.22 | NeoTron | the problem isn't necessarily ads but that the current online ads are horrible enough to drive the necessity to filter them out |
| 18:15.30 | Cide | if you have to pay to get rid off them there are still ads :P |
| 18:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU ARE THE TEN MILLIONTH VIEWER YOU HAVE WON A PRIZE |
| 18:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | Prise? What pries? |
| 18:15.54 | Dewin | I want to punch whoever came up with punch the monkey |
| 18:15.56 | Shirik|Ecole | NeoTron: Contact the site owner and tell them "gtfo these annoying ads" |
| 18:16.06 | NeoTron | not to mention one of the worst example of ads ever - Blizzard WoW forums. |
| 18:16.13 | NeoTron | Shirik|Ecole: no need, I don't see ads so I'm ok |
| 18:16.14 | Olorin | just a kinda silly idea but anyone seen a mod that only shows trade channel chat with WTB or WTS in it lol so much crap on my server goes on their |
| 18:16.22 | Dewin | don't forget several vulnerability exploits that were exploited through ad banners. |
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| 18:16.35 | NeoTron | if you think it would be 1) worth my time, 2) effective to report every annoying ad you're disillusional |
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| 18:16.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I blame that on the sites inability to get a good ad rotation service, Dewin |
| 18:16.57 | Shirik|Ecole | s/sites/sites'/ |
| 18:17.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ~logs |
| 18:17.25 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:17.43 | NeoTron | ads = webspam :) |
| 18:17.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I goes get food now |
| 18:17.48 | Shirik|Ecole | bbl |
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| 18:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | Enjoy food. |
| 18:20.07 | Hirsute | Olorin: No need for an addon to do that, just create a macro that's something along the lines of "/script ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL", function(msg) if strfind(msg, "WTB") or strfind(msg, "LTB") then return false else return true end end) |
| 18:20.27 | Hirsute | Note that's dry coding, and probably fraught with errors, I'm supposed tobe listening to a lecture about renal function tests right now. |
| 18:21.45 | Hirsute | A simple homebrew addon could easily do the same thing, but automatically on logon. |
| 18:22.01 | Hirsute | Wait... need to check for channel in that, too.... |
| 18:22.33 | Olorin | Hirsute: Thanks might be handy for when it gets particularly bad, actually thats pretty often :/ |
| 18:22.57 | Hirsute | Olorin: Hold on, I'll pastey some better code in a sec. |
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| 18:26.07 | Olorin | Hirsute: dont blame me if ya get your knuckles smacked with rular for not paying attention :P |
| 18:27.02 | Hirsute | Olorin: I won't. That's why it's taking me a little while, I'm paying some attention. |
| 18:28.03 | Tem | mikma, ping |
| 18:28.18 | Tem | I just saw your ping from way earlier linking your spec |
| 18:28.29 | Tem | and I have to say a few things |
| 18:28.48 | Tem | Killing Machine is bad for tanks because it doesn't proc from Rune Strike crits |
| 18:28.57 | Hirsute | Olorin: This should be about right, though it isn't tested: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105670 |
| 18:29.04 | Tem | also, you don't have much crit in your tank gear |
| 18:29.16 | Tem | so the proc rate is WAY too low to warrant 5 points in it |
| 18:29.26 | procule | I would like to find a way to stop the engine to say "Not enough energy" when i try to do a skill ? |
| 18:29.49 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.28 | procule | well it's a sound |
| 18:31.46 | procule | a really annoying one lol |
| 18:34.09 | Tem | oh you want to kill the voice |
| 18:34.09 | Hirsute | Olorin: Or in a nicer format to plunk in an addon: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105672 |
| 18:34.12 | Olorin | Hirsute: thanks :) it'll come in handy when the 5year olds on my server start with their "An** <link>" crap which to the life of me I dont understand |
| 18:34.13 | procule | yes |
| 18:34.14 | Tem | there's a setting for that, procule |
| 18:34.26 | Tem | error speach |
| 18:34.53 | procule | because it's time i press "2" and "i don'T have enough energy", it tells me that and it's annoying in combat |
| 18:35.01 | procule | in the menu ? |
| 18:35.10 | Hirsute | Olorin: I wrote an addon (functional, but not yet feature complete) to filter out messages based on a user-set blacklist. Haven't published it yet, because I still need to add profile support and per-channel blacklisting. |
| 18:35.34 | Hirsute | For exactly that reason. I filter out "recruit", "recruiting" and "anal". |
| 18:35.59 | Hirsute | I don't mind "Chuck Norris", but a couple of my friends are filtering that as well. |
| 18:36.00 | procule | may I ask you why "anal" ? |
| 18:36.16 | Xocide | because people in trade like to spam "anal <insert something here>" |
| 18:36.23 | Hirsute | procule: Because I get *really* sick of the "anal [ability link]" spam |
| 18:36.30 | Lunessa | Exactly. |
| 18:36.31 | Olorin | Hirsute: sounds interesting though make sure its account based and not character, nothing more annoying than switching characters and finding same people ya just ignored lol |
| 18:36.40 | procule | eeeeh i don't understand that :P |
| 18:36.52 | Olorin | not only one procule but its too common |
| 18:37.04 | procule | anal for analyze ? |
| 18:37.14 | Hirsute | Olorin: That's why I'm waiting until I have profile support in, right now it's per-character. Will change to per-account when I have profiles. |
| 18:37.17 | Olorin | apparently not |
| 18:37.19 | Hirsute | procule: I only match on whole words. |
| 18:37.36 | procule | yeah i understand but WHY they say "anal" ? |
| 18:37.42 | Hirsute | so it will match "anal" but won't match "analyze", "banal", "canal" |
| 18:38.01 | Hirsute | procule: Oh, because they're 13, and it started with "Anal [Penetration]" and they thought it was funny. |
| 18:38.04 | Xocide | procule: heres an example for the anal spam: "anal [Backstab]" |
| 18:38.21 | procule | oh |
| 18:38.23 | procule | understood |
| 18:38.33 | Hirsute | It just got out of hand after that. |
| 18:38.35 | procule | i thought it was an abbreviation of something |
| 18:38.51 | Hirsute | Was really bad after the introduction of the skill links, has calmed down on my server now, but still pops up from time to time. |
| 18:38.53 | procule | there are too much IMO in WoW |
| 18:39.05 | procule | "IMO" ... "WoW"... |
| 18:39.07 | procule | lol |
| 18:39.28 | Hirsute | Now if only I could figure out a good pattern to match all that freaking ascii art that people have been linking lately. |
| 18:39.56 | Hirsute | The next time I see the guy taking it from another guy doggy style ascii art in trade.... I'm going to cry. |
| 18:39.57 | procule | hey Xocide, it works now, i just need to tune it up to get the message faster |
| 18:40.02 | procule | thanks for the help |
| 18:40.28 | Amarande | hm. |
| 18:40.35 | Amarande | is it just me, or are warriors really boring to play? |
| 18:40.54 | frop | i'm loving lvling mine :) |
| 18:40.58 | frop | no downtime at all |
| 18:41.01 | Hirsute | Things like that should automatically flag a user for a special kind of PvP where your own faction can attack you and you *do* lose durability when you die. |
| 18:41.09 | Olorin | Hirsute: Id be interested when ya done or if ya need a tester, gotta go cook now so thanks again for the pastey |
| 18:41.17 | Hirsute | Olorin: No problem. |
| 18:41.52 | Amarande | mine's level 14, I forget exactly how I found the patience to level that high |
| 18:42.12 | Amarande | every so often, I'll log on her, go kill something, find it irritatingly dull, and log off |
| 18:42.19 | Hirsute | Amarande: I enjoyed playing my Warrior, though I'm finding he's increasingly left in the inn in favor of playing my hunter. |
| 18:42.23 | frop | eheh, it become better |
| 18:42.42 | frop | when you dw, mobs go down fast |
| 18:42.45 | frop | very fast |
| 18:42.58 | Hirsute | Heck, now it's even fun levelling as a shield-wielding prot warrior. |
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| 18:43.25 | frop | lol, noway i'm doing that |
| 18:43.37 | Hirsute | My wife, otoh, hated playing a warrior and re-rolled her warrior as a mage. |
| 18:43.56 | Hirsute | frop: It's really not much slower than levelling as arms or fury now. The Wrath changes were amazing. |
| 18:44.16 | frop | i don't know...i'm fury from lvl10 :D |
| 18:44.22 | frop | and it was pre-wotlk |
| 18:44.37 | frop | i've not tried 2h neither... |
| 18:44.39 | Hirsute | frop: Fury from 10-60 for me, prot ever since. |
| 18:44.48 | Amarande | Hirsute: you married people are lucky. :) |
| 18:44.57 | Hirsute | heh |
| 18:45.04 | frop | well, guess i could go fury till 68 now :) |
| 18:45.09 | Amarande | I wish I was. :) |
| 18:45.24 | Amarande | Of course, I may very well get married well before certain other things happen, such as obtaining the delicious chocolate cake recipe. |
| 18:45.27 | Hirsute | Amarande: I enjoy it. I think my wife does most of the time, too. |
| 18:45.43 | Hirsute | *nod* The elusive chocolate cake.... |
| 18:45.51 | procule | anyone has noticed a lag while PlaySoundFile ? |
| 18:45.57 | Amarande | At least I don't have to worry about super rare jewelcrafting recipes, otoh |
| 18:47.43 | Amarande | since it seems everything in wotlk is from vendors of various types |
| 18:48.19 | Amarande | two more days till my titanium spellshock necklace ... |
| 18:48.33 | Hirsute | *cheer* |
| 18:49.28 | NightHawkTheSane | there actually are dropped JC recipes. |
| 18:49.40 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure if they intersect with purchasable ones or not, though |
| 18:50.08 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: At least it seems like you don't *need* the dropped ones to be able to level the profession in Wrath. |
| 18:50.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: indeed, and they're BoP, which reduces price gouging of the recipes |
| 18:50.42 | Amarande | Night: wowhead seems to indicate there's only a small few dropped ones, though |
| 18:50.42 | zenzelezz | disturbing photoshop... http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/310/allatok07rd8.jpg |
| 18:50.46 | Amarande | and I'm not sure how many of them are actually useful |
| 18:51.07 | frop | gief more raid-recipes-BOP tbh... |
| 18:51.14 | frop | ...even engineering... |
| 18:51.19 | Xocide | Amarande: your right.. thats just wow |
| 18:51.43 | frop | gief hardcore-wow back!! |
| 18:51.44 | NightHawkTheSane | quite a few of them are extremely useful.. |
| 18:52.23 | Amarande | glah. |
| 18:52.40 | Amarande | I think I wasted money on this kirin tor tabard |
| 18:52.51 | NightHawkTheSane | all of 30s? |
| 18:52.53 | Amarande | all, and I mean -all- the 80 LFG groups I've been seeing want only tanks or healers |
| 18:53.01 | frop | cheaper repairs in Dalaran :) |
| 18:53.30 | Seerah|away | see? you'll make that money back ;) |
| 18:54.13 | Amarande | yeah, but first I need to actually get instance groups so I can actually get the rep I bought the tabard for |
| 18:54.23 | Amarande | and all I see is "LF tank/healer" "LF healer" "LF healer" (almost always, a healer) |
| 18:54.33 | NightHawkTheSane | you're seriously bitching about the gold you used to buy a tabard? jesus it's fucking trivial |
| 18:55.27 | Amarande | Night: nah, I'm just using it as an excuse to complain about the lack of instance group opportunities as DPS :| |
| 18:55.29 | NightHawkTheSane | and that is not, and has never been, new or different. |
| 18:55.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you're complaining about a 4 year old issue. you have three options: a) reroll healer, b) make some goddamn friends, c) suck it up and deal |
| 18:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. chocolate.. |
| 19:00.14 | frop | eheh...i rerolled tank... |
| 19:00.26 | frop | ...but my guild forced me to keep up with hunta :P |
| 19:01.11 | frop | if i cannot keep up as a dps after nerf...i'll stop raiding :D |
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| 19:01.53 | Amarande | frop: my problem is always getting a group for instances, not actually having problems once I get in |
| 19:01.58 | Amarande | well, unless I get a really, really bad PUG |
| 19:02.16 | frop | what about your guild? :P |
| 19:02.26 | Amarande | frop: friends guild, we only have two 80's |
| 19:02.28 | Hirsute | the hunter nerf makes me sad. |
| 19:02.39 | frop | Hirsute me too... |
| 19:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, people bitching about the hunter nerf are idiots. it's justified, and not that bad |
| 19:02.52 | frop | ...they're cutting our loot-scaling |
| 19:03.01 | frop | it's not NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:03.10 | Amarande | loot scaling? what is this, guild wars? |
| 19:03.13 | frop | cause ppl is catching up now... |
| 19:03.24 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: It's a *significant* nerf for BM hunters, it isn't trivial. |
| 19:03.26 | hipjipp | anyone knows why this doesn't work? ( http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105674 ) |
| 19:03.27 | frop | with hi end t7 gear they're on par |
| 19:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: thats the point |
| 19:03.43 | Hirsute | I don't spend much time complaining about it, but it makes me sad. |
| 19:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i've yet to see a hunter NOT top damage by >10% |
| 19:03.58 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: And I think it doesn't need to be as big as it is. |
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| 19:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | barring a gear deficiency |
| 19:04.14 | frop | NightHawkTheSane then your dpsers are bad |
| 19:04.21 | NightHawkTheSane | no, they're not. |
| 19:04.35 | Hirsute | Sure, nerf it a bit, but frop is right, as people are catching up in gear, they're competing better and better with BM hunters for DPS. |
| 19:04.45 | frop | aye |
| 19:04.53 | Hirsute | The sheer massiveness of the nerfs specifically to BM is a little excessive. |
| 19:04.54 | frop | and they're cutting our scaling with gear |
| 19:05.16 | frop | so in t9 (let's say) we'll sit after bear druids |
| 19:05.30 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, all i hear is "wah wah wah, i wont be overpowered anymore" suck it up an deal. |
| 19:05.52 | frop | point is that we'll not be even on par with other dps classes |
| 19:06.04 | frop | now we're... |
| 19:06.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you're wrong |
| 19:06.17 | frop | ...and i'm using the OP 50/21/0 build, with a cat |
| 19:06.23 | frop | i'm not... |
| 19:06.31 | frop | i can push 5k dps on PAtchwerk |
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| 19:06.39 | frop | ...still mages can do the same |
| 19:06.51 | hipjipp | hey tekkub, got a minute? |
| 19:07.05 | Tekkub | meh |
| 19:07.07 | frop | ...i've seen 7.5k dps on Loatheb and Thaddius by Fury warrior |
| 19:07.17 | frop | ...that's op...not BM hunters |
| 19:07.27 | durcyn | loatheb and thaddius hardly count |
| 19:07.30 | Amarande | so after the nerf, it would be better to level my hunter MM rather than BM? |
| 19:07.33 | Amarande | or is this an 80 issue only? |
| 19:07.39 | hipjipp | do you know why this doesn't work? ( http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105674 ) |
| 19:07.47 | frop | durcyn indeed...but still... |
| 19:07.56 | frop | hunters cannot push so hard... |
| 19:08.06 | durcyn | i mean, i've had a cury warrior do 12k on thaddius, but that's thaddius. |
| 19:08.07 | durcyn | fury* |
| 19:08.17 | frop | yes |
| 19:08.18 | Hirsute | Amarande: Not an 80 only issue, it's a significant nerf to all BM hunters. |
| 19:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you can level however youw ant, regardless you'll still bitch about it like an ignorant child |
| 19:08.33 | frop | at the ed of the raid...that Fury Warrior will be on par with BM hunters |
| 19:08.51 | frop | Amarande noway...got for BM gorilladin :) |
| 19:09.01 | NeoTron | frop: 7.5k dps on thaddius is not very much, ours did like 9.5k |
| 19:09.02 | frop | and you'll AoE lvl in no time |
| 19:09.05 | Hirsute | frop: Except that's getting hit with this nerf too. |
| 19:09.11 | Amarande | actually, I can never seem to make myself level my hunter, either |
| 19:09.16 | NeoTron | and it's very specific to those fights |
| 19:09.24 | Hirsute | Decreased damage on Volley, decreased damage/threat by the pet. |
| 19:09.34 | Amarande | like my warrior, whenever I play my hunter, I log on, kill a few things and get bored |
| 19:09.45 | frop | well, i was just pointing out that hunters are not so OP...as you are saying |
| 19:10.15 | Amarande | for some reason, no matter what game I'm playing, I always end up playing caster DPS, and never much enjoying physical fighters |
| 19:10.25 | Amarande | my old prot pally and DK were the only real exceptions |
| 19:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 19:10.40 | Amarande | although I've still yet to try druid or rogue |
| 19:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | iTunes is removing their DRM |
| 19:10.42 | NeoTron | I never did until my DK |
| 19:10.47 | ZealotOnAStick | Cairenn|afk : ping |
| 19:10.55 | Cairenn|afk | ZealotOnAStick: pong |
| 19:12.10 | Amarande | maybe it's getting around that bores me |
| 19:12.24 | Amarande | my 80 has her dreadsteed for dalaran and azeroth, and epic flying for northrend and outland |
| 19:12.41 | Amarande | not having a 100%/280% mount makes things feel very very slow now |
| 19:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i saw that, and bumping the bit rate for all tracks |
| 19:13.35 | NeoTron | all my alts have epic mounts.. couldn't stand it w/o |
| 19:13.44 | foxlit | SB1: I can has your libraries? |
| 19:14.05 | hipjipp | anyone knows why this doesn't work? ( http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105674 ) |
| 19:14.34 | Amarande | Neo: yeah, that's what I'm saying, my problem with my low level characters is that without a mount, I feel like sludge |
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| 19:15.38 | foxlit | hipjipp: because whoever wrote that have no idea what they're doing? |
| 19:15.50 | Amarande | gah. apparently I need to install recount, too |
| 19:15.55 | Amarande | despite the fact that it mucks up quests ... |
| 19:16.09 | NightHawkTheSane | recount doesn't do shit to quests.. |
| 19:16.27 | Amarande | Night: apparently something like 90% of northrend quest issues that people found were tied to an addon, Recount was at fault |
| 19:16.29 | Cide | I like how the comments in that pastey don't make sense at all |
| 19:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: I only have flac ;) |
| 19:16.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: 100% not true. |
| 19:16.53 | nevcairiel | 90% against 100%, NightHawkTheSane wins |
| 19:17.04 | NightHawkTheSane | every character i've leveled in northrend i've done with recount active, and had no problems whatsoever |
| 19:17.23 | NightHawkTheSane | that includes two 80's, one of which has done every damn quest in northrend, save one. |
| 19:17.34 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: That isn't actually evidence that noone else had any problems with Recount. |
| 19:17.52 | nevcairiel | I still doubt that any addon could actually break quests. |
| 19:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: the only possible problems would be a multi-mod conflict |
| 19:18.04 | Tekkub | aw no patch? |
| 19:18.08 | Amarande | anyway, I'm thinking I need to install recount because apparently, the few times a heroic group asks for DPS |
| 19:18.13 | Amarande | they expect us to have -measured- our DPS |
| 19:18.23 | alestane | I agree that it seems unlikely that that's actually a problem. |
| 19:18.25 | NightHawkTheSane | if your heroic group asks for your dps, they already fail |
| 19:18.39 | frop | eheh |
| 19:18.40 | frop | indeed |
| 19:18.41 | Amarande | Night: they might possibly be looking for achievement-grade people, I suppose |
| 19:18.50 | NightHawkTheSane | pugging achievements is fail. |
| 19:22.14 | Amarande | But yeah, the last lf dps request I saw asked for "1800+" |
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| 19:23.39 | foxlit | Which isn't actually that bad? :) |
| 19:24.19 | NightHawkTheSane | amusingly. its kinda like syaing "lf only mildly retarded dps.." :p |
| 19:24.47 | foxlit | Which would still probably filter out a huge amount of people :) |
| 19:25.28 | foxlit | I've seen a rogue trying to do DPS while wearing the leather frost resist gear gemmed for... stamina. |
| 19:25.37 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: sadly :( |
| 19:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i was in a group the other day with a 71 mage wearing the soulcloth set gemmed for int. |
| 19:26.34 | foxlit | And some people have this annoying idea they can do stuff like the CoT timed run having never stepped in a heroic before. |
| 19:26.58 | NightHawkTheSane | that one is pretty rampant, even in my guild.. |
| 19:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably didn't help that like 5-7 of us farmed the hell out of it for a week and got mounts, and made it look easy.. but *shrug* |
| 19:28.00 | Industrial | hmm |
| 19:28.00 | foxlit | Is it just me or does Nightfall (L80ETC song) <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UhOVh3l5YQ> seem relatively crap? |
| 19:28.15 | Industrial | standing on top of the well in dalaran is more fun then the SW fountain |
| 19:28.30 | Industrial | instead of just seeing people fail at get up they get ported down when they fall in the well |
| 19:28.30 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: you could probably make a case for that if you were wearing Tier 6 before the xpac, but even then, it's sketchy :/ |
| 19:28.33 | Industrial | =D |
| 19:34.11 | Amarande | foxlit: I'm going to assume that the CoT timed run is a good bit tougher than either the original Strat timed run or the HSH one in BC. |
| 19:34.54 | foxlit | Been in CoT? |
| 19:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you've never done CoT then. |
| 19:35.22 | Amarande | Night: Not Strat, anyway |
| 19:35.29 | Amarande | I did BM and Durn back in the day |
| 19:35.34 | foxlit | My bad :) |
| 19:35.45 | foxlit | CoS is too close to CoT |
| 19:36.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i just assumed it was implied. :p |
| 19:36.03 | foxlit | Either way, it's a relatively good DPS check. |
| 19:36.17 | NightHawkTheSane | its the easiest timed run i've seen |
| 19:36.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but still, yes, it's a dps check, partially a healer longevity check, but not really. |
| 19:36.42 | foxlit | Baron was easier :) |
| 19:36.51 | foxlit | But perhaps you haven't seen him. |
| 19:37.16 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, i thought the 45m Baron run was harder, but it was so long ago i could be misremembering |
| 19:37.30 | Lopeppeppy | Baron sucks it! :) |
| 19:39.48 | Amarande | you know, I should try soloing Strat again, now that I'm 80 |
| 19:40.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, get yer achievement! |
| 19:40.55 | Amarande | after I finish with zul'drak, I guess |
| 19:41.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it was easy enough at 70, should be easier at 80. |
| 19:41.57 | Arrowmaster | timed baron was perty easy at 60 too if you werent in blues |
| 19:42.09 | alestane | Trying to translate GOTO based flow-control into actual structured flow is actually fairly challenging. |
| 19:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: course, if you weren't in blues, you really didn't -need- the run :p |
| 19:42.43 | Arrowmaster | i farmed it with a few people for them to get to exalted for free naxx attunement |
| 19:43.00 | Arrowmaster | they took me because i got exalted during the world event and wouldnt roll on the stones |
| 19:47.51 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Trying to translate this game http://www.atariarchives.org/morebasicgames/showpage.php?page=179 into Lua as an exercise. |
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| 19:49.38 | Lopeppeppy | alestane... go do pushups!! :) |
| 19:49.48 | alestane | Pushups for brain. |
| 19:50.34 | procule | hello, i need someone in private to help me to show an "hello world" button in the center of the screen with XML :-) |
| 19:55.23 | ZorbaTHut | night, I can see why people ask for DPS, though |
| 19:55.38 | ZorbaTHut | I've somewhat regularly pugged with level 80 people delivering under 600 DPS |
| 19:55.49 | ZorbaTHut | I had an entire 10man Archavon team, none of which broke 1k |
| 19:56.46 | zenzelezz | I've heard several guildies who've pugged DPS that did less DPS (or overall damage) than the tank |
| 19:57.13 | ZorbaTHut | hell, I'm a tank and it's a rare heroic that I'm not #3 or higher on the charts |
| 19:57.38 | nevcairiel | thats pretty common these days |
| 19:57.41 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think I've hit #1 yet, but as a prot warrior offtank I was #5 in that Archavon attempt. |
| 19:57.44 | nevcairiel | tanks do around 1.5-2k |
| 19:57.45 | Lunessa | procule: There's a tutorial example for pretty much exactly that on the WOW site. |
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| 19:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN peoples! |
| 20:11.31 | m3lin | whats the name of the chateditbox? |
| 20:12.42 | nevcairiel | ChatEditBox? |
| 20:13.03 | nevcairiel | ChatFrameEditBox |
| 20:13.04 | nevcairiel | thats it ^ |
| 20:13.57 | m3lin | ah thanks |
| 20:16.32 | NeoTron | ZorbaTHut: you play with some really bad dpsers :P |
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| 20:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | neotron, random pugs. some days you're just unlucky :P |
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| 20:31.51 | Shirik | Hey Regex Gurus! |
| 20:32.04 | Tekkub | no |
| 20:32.14 | Tekkub | lern the secret nerd language yourself |
| 20:32.18 | Shirik | I know it :( |
| 20:32.30 | Shirik | It's just one stupid problem |
| 20:32.35 | Shirik | Prove your nerdiness Tekkub |
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| 20:33.01 | Shirik | I have this pattern: ^((.*?[\/\\:]?)AddOns)[\/\\:]?$ but this allows to match "fooAddOns" where it should only match "foo/AddOns" but it also needs to match "AddOns" |
| 20:33.02 | Tekkub | real regexp or lua irregexp? |
| 20:33.04 | Shirik | real |
| 20:33.20 | procule | what the damn site to post code online to review ? |
| 20:33.26 | Shirik | read the topic |
| 20:33.29 | Tekkub | stackoverflow? |
| 20:33.37 | Shirik | I think he means pastey |
| 20:33.42 | procule | yeah |
| 20:33.44 | Tekkub | oh you just mean pastieing |
| 20:33.47 | procule | thanks shirik |
| 20:33.50 | Tekkub | gist.github.com! |
| 20:33.54 | Shirik | no f github |
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| 20:34.13 | markl__ | relating to that DPS discussion earlier; is there a handy FAQ for improving DPS? there are a lot of situations where i would like to be able to tell someone "dude, you need to visit http://idiotsguidetowowdps.com/" |
| 20:34.14 | nevcairiel | you cant blame him, he works for them |
| 20:34.18 | Shirik | I know :P |
| 20:34.23 | procule | i was trying with google but he doesn't like "post code", he wants me to send mail to UK :) |
| 20:34.54 | markl__ | especially for classes i don't play |
| 20:35.09 | Shirik | So anyway, the long solution to my pattern is ugly |
| 20:35.11 | markl__ | my favorite are warlocks who don't do dots |
| 20:35.44 | End | oh cool |
| 20:35.47 | nevcairiel | Shirik: cant you use a alternation? <empty> OR .*/ |
| 20:35.50 | ZorbaTHut | melee hunters |
| 20:35.51 | End | you can run other operating systems on linode now |
| 20:35.55 | End | via pv-grub |
| 20:35.55 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't get any better than melee hunters |
| 20:36.00 | Shirik | ((?:^AddOns)|(?:^.*?[\/\\:]AddOns))[\/\\:]?$ |
| 20:36.11 | Shirik | nevcairiel: sorry, alternation? |
| 20:36.12 | Hirsute | Shirik: What are you trying to do with the \\: in [\/\\:]? |
| 20:36.15 | Tekkub | Shirik, uh... /^(\w\/)?AddOns$/ |
| 20:36.16 | Tekkub | ? |
| 20:36.28 | Shirik | oh I can put the ? outside ()? |
| 20:36.35 | Tekkub | should, yea |
| 20:36.40 | nevcairiel | Shirik: using regex that doesnt have alternations? pipe char? =P |
| 20:36.43 | Tekkub | then the whole capture is optional |
| 20:36.45 | Shirik | Lua has flawed my knowledge of regexes :/ |
| 20:36.59 | Hirsute | () denotes a group, so yes, you should be able to. |
| 20:37.05 | Tekkub | yea lua slowly damages your regexpertiese (sp?) |
| 20:37.05 | batbot | Tekkub, nothing found. |
| 20:37.08 | Shirik | Hirsute: Match all directory separators |
| 20:37.42 | Hirsute | Aaah, I see. |
| 20:37.54 | Hirsute | I forget that : doesn't need to be escaped. |
| 20:38.11 | Tekkub | Shirik, does it need to match foo/bar/AddOns ? |
| 20:38.15 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:38.41 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.50 | Tekkub | not sure if the inner '/' needs escaped |
| 20:39.04 | Hirsute | Hrmmm, then (\w\/)*? |
| 20:39.06 | Hirsute | perhaps. |
| 20:39.12 | Shirik | I tend to be paranoid about escaping :) |
| 20:39.18 | Tekkub | no it needs the end / |
| 20:39.26 | Tekkub | else it'd match fooAddOns |
| 20:39.27 | Shirik | There's no problem escaping something that doesn't need to be escaped, so I just do it whenever I think there might be a problem |
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| 20:39.50 | Tekkub | er.... |
| 20:40.02 | Tekkub | actually (\w\/)* might work |
| 20:40.11 | Tekkub | no '?' needed since there's the * |
| 20:40.24 | Shirik | really, .*?[\/\\:] is good enough for me |
| 20:40.31 | Shirik | er |
| 20:40.37 | Shirik | (.*?[\/\\:])? |
| 20:41.00 | Shirik | It can be argued that there will never be a case where we will see something like /////AddOns |
| 20:41.04 | Shirik | due to where the pattern is being used |
| 20:41.32 | Shirik | but thanks :) |
| 20:42.08 | Hirsute | Shirik: As long as it ends up doing what you need it to. |
| 20:47.44 | Amarande | hmm, glowing red eye kitties |
| 20:47.47 | Amarande | maybe I should level my hunter |
| 20:49.20 | Hirsute | Kitties are fun. And despite the kitty nerf, which is fairly trivial, will still be fun after the patch. |
| 20:50.06 | Hirsute | Or were you talking about a Spirit beast? |
| 20:51.02 | Amarande | Nope, I'm talking about the kitties. |
| 20:51.06 | Amarande | The ones near Har'koa in Zul'Drak |
| 20:51.38 | Amarande | there's also the nice giant white windserpents, but I'm not sure what kind of gear is needed to survive taming one |
| 20:53.01 | Amarande | and for the love of Elune, why does Shadow Trance always proc like, right when the mob is dead :S |
| 20:54.07 | Shirik | just like clearcasting |
| 20:54.12 | Shirik | only procs when you have full mana |
| 20:54.41 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, Murphys Law |
| 20:54.57 | procule | a newbie here would need help :( i have pasted my .xml and .lua on pastey.org |
| 20:55.16 | procule | i think i have something i don't understand in this process |
| 20:55.36 | Thunder_Child | amd did you link said pastey? |
| 20:55.39 | Thunder_Child | and* |
| 20:55.45 | Hirsute | procule: We'll need the links to the resultant pages from pastey |
| 20:56.11 | procule | xml (pretty much from a tutorial): http://www.pastey.net/105690 |
| 20:56.28 | procule | lua (from me): http://www.pastey.net/105687 |
| 20:56.47 | procule | i'm quite sure it's the xml |
| 20:56.52 | procule | the lua works alone |
| 20:57.08 | procule | but i want to built an interface from that and i'm quite stuck |
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| 20:59.03 | procule | oh btw, forget about the event call "UNIT_ENERGY", i forget to put it back before pasting |
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| 21:01.34 | Shirik | procule, what are you typing your code in? |
| 21:01.41 | Shirik | Whatever encoding it's using will not be accepted |
| 21:01.57 | Shirik | <Script file=?~@~]roguessae.lua?~@~]></Script> |
| 21:01.59 | Shirik | ^ That's not good |
| 21:02.37 | Arrowmaster | im more likely to blame his browser for that |
| 21:02.45 | procule | eeeh |
| 21:02.49 | procule | those are " |
| 21:03.03 | procule | it's ok here |
| 21:03.20 | Arrowmaster | what language is your computer set to? |
| 21:03.23 | procule | it's UTF-8 |
| 21:03.46 | Shirik | I don't think they're ", I think they're curly |
| 21:04.26 | procule | just imagine they are " :) |
| 21:04.29 | Arrowmaster | you didnt write it in a word processor did you? |
| 21:04.40 | procule | csite |
| 21:04.42 | procule | scite |
| 21:04.47 | Arrowmaster | odd |
| 21:05.01 | Shirik | I grow worried that that is the only line that does that |
| 21:05.44 | Tekkub | uh, you said XML from tutorial, if you copy/pasted from the web you often get those curlies |
| 21:06.12 | Arrowmaster | good point too |
| 21:07.09 | Thunder_Child | thats not the only line on mine that soes that Shirik |
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| 21:07.23 | Thunder_Child | does* |
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| 21:16.25 | procule | sorry i was on the phone |
| 21:16.39 | procule | so you think it's only about the charset ? |
| 21:17.01 | Shirik | I can say for sure that if what you uploaded is actually what you're trying to run, WoW is probably pissed about it |
| 21:17.05 | Shirik | have you checked your framexml.log? |
| 21:17.24 | procule | hum |
| 21:17.27 | procule | what is that ? ;) |
| 21:17.37 | Shirik | it's a log file in your WoW/Logs folder |
| 21:17.42 | procule | i'll check |
| 21:19.16 | Tem|work | "The Leave Wintergrasp button" |
| 21:19.17 | Tem|work | what? |
| 21:19.21 | Tem|work | such a thing exists? |
| 21:20.24 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 21:20.34 | Tem|work | where? |
| 21:20.36 | Tem|work | what's it do? |
| 21:21.17 | procule | 1/6 15:27:31.000 ** Loading table of contents Interface\AddOns\RogueSSaE\RogueSSaE.toc |
| 21:21.17 | procule | 1/6 15:27:31.000 Couldn't parse XML in Interface\AddOns\RogueSSaE\roguebutton.xml |
| 21:21.17 | Arrowmaster | hearths you |
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| 21:21.25 | procule | i guess it's that |
| 21:21.25 | Shirik | I blame that on your quotes |
| 21:22.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: bg minimap button i think? same as every other BG. i dunno specifics, i havent used it |
| 21:23.05 | Tem|work | oh lol |
| 21:23.10 | Tem|work | I never noticed |
| 21:23.18 | Tem|work | I've only been to wintergrasp a few times |
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| 21:24.49 | Codex| | is this correct? its hard to test if im doin it right |
| 21:24.52 | Codex| | #showtooltip Flamestrike |
| 21:24.59 | Codex| | ./cast [mod:alt] Flamestrike (rank 8); Flamestrike |
| 21:25.04 | Codex| | for rank 8/9 switching |
| 21:25.19 | Hirsute | Why would you downrank? |
| 21:25.29 | Hirsute | Thought they killed downranking with 3.0 |
| 21:25.35 | Codex| | spamming flamestrike has highest dps if u do rank 8 then rank 9 then rank 8 |
| 21:25.38 | Codex| | for stacking the ground dot |
| 21:26.11 | Hirsute | The dots don't overwrite eachother? |
| 21:26.14 | Codex| | it makes 2 different ground dots |
| 21:26.15 | Codex| | no |
| 21:26.19 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds like a bug. |
| 21:26.24 | Codex| | well accordign to elitist jerks thats what they say |
| 21:26.25 | Hirsute | Interesting. Wonder how long before they fix that. |
| 21:26.35 | Codex| | its been like it for a while |
| 21:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if its even possible to fix. |
| 21:27.08 | Tem|work | hah that's cool |
| 21:27.13 | Tem|work | I had no idea you could do that with flamestrike |
| 21:27.26 | Codex| | is that macro sybtax correct? |
| 21:27.29 | Codex| | syntax* |
| 21:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 21:27.38 | Tem|work | my mage hadsn't cast it seriously since before BC, probably |
| 21:28.02 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the only real fix for that would be to only let you have one FS ground dot active at a time. |
| 21:28.08 | Tem|work | then again my mage hasn't left SW Bank since well before LK |
| 21:28.27 | Tem|work | NHTS, I don't think it's really something that needs fixing |
| 21:28.36 | Tem|work | flamestrike is a bad spell because of the ground dot |
| 21:28.36 | Codex| | macro isnt working :( |
| 21:28.44 | Codex| | doesnt do anything when i alt ands then click it |
| 21:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: *shrug* I'm not going to disagree, but i still think it's a but and "not as intended" :P |
| 21:29.09 | Tem|work | Codex|: the macro syntax is right |
| 21:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | s/but/bug/ |
| 21:29.14 | Tem|work | maybe your spell syntax isn't |
| 21:29.23 | Tem|work | make sure it's not Flamestrike(Rank 8) |
| 21:29.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 21:29.35 | Tem|work | there isn't always a space between the spell name and the rank |
| 21:29.37 | NightHawkTheSane | also, fuck you purl |
| 21:29.42 | Hirsute | I love when purl replaces the wrong word. |
| 21:30.02 | Codex| | tem what shoukld it be |
| 21:30.03 | Tem|work | NHTS purl did exactly what you told her to |
| 21:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i know, i didn't say otherwise, i just didn't like it :) |
| 21:30.18 | Tem|work | Codex|: shit if I know... I haven't played my mage since Season 3 |
| 21:30.45 | Tem|work | when lock/druid denied me a new staff, I said fuck it and never went back |
| 21:30.50 | Codex| | i mean the syntax |
| 21:30.54 | Codex| | that syntax i pasted isnt doing much |
| 21:31.00 | Codex| | ./cast [mod:alt] Flamestrike (rank 8); Flamestrike |
| 21:31.07 | Tem|work | THE MACRO SYNTAX YOU PASTED IS FINE |
| 21:31.10 | Tem|work | *STAB* |
| 21:31.19 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 Tem |
| 21:32.04 | Codex| | alt and the keybind does nothing lol |
| 21:32.39 | Tem|work | oh, also make sure you havn't bound alt to something else |
| 21:32.48 | Codex| | alt by itself isnt anything :P |
| 21:32.51 | Tem|work | try alt-clicking to see |
| 21:33.14 | Tem|work | you're hopeless |
| 21:33.57 | Tem|work | I can't decide if I was too mean or not |
| 21:35.12 | Tem|work | nmo |
| 21:35.15 | Tem|work | I wasn't too mean |
| 21:35.21 | Tem|work | read a damn faq before asking me dumb questions |
| 21:37.13 | Hirsute | Hey Tem|work: Why is the sky blue? |
| 21:37.16 | Hirsute | *hides* |
| 21:38.23 | Thunder_Child | refraction of light |
| 21:38.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Signs it might be a bad group, the guy asking you to come says.. "If we can take a guy named Toecheese, we can take a dps that's resto" |
| 21:39.19 | Hirsute | Who are you, the resto dps, or Toecheese? |
| 21:39.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: you weren't too mean at all, just about right i'd say. |
| 21:39.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: the resto dps :p |
| 21:39.30 | Hirsute | Heh |
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| 21:40.39 | Hirsute | So, I play on an RP server, and created a bank alt, couldn't think of a name, so I slightly modified the name of a character in a book I was reading. That bank alt became my main. It's amazing how much people will complain about a name, but never report it. |
| 21:41.31 | Hirsute | He's still got the same name, though the most vocal people around have stopped whining about it. |
| 21:41.33 | procule | aaaaaaaaah thanks all... it's was the quotes |
| 21:42.06 | procule | wrong charset |
| 21:44.10 | procule | i thought xml was though, but with a good charset it's good hehehe |
| 21:45.20 | Dewin | hirsute: Heh. My bank/AH alt is 'Tiforp' |
| 21:45.25 | Dewin | I'll let you figure out the meaning of the name |
| 21:45.37 | Hirsute | I got it. |
| 21:45.57 | Dewin | My only complaint is <attacked elite> is the lamest guild name ever |
| 21:46.03 | NeoTron | my bank alts are Gemore, Enchantprime, Herbalism... |
| 21:46.11 | NeoTron | hard to guess the naming scheme isn't it? |
| 21:46.23 | Dewin | but I bought the empty guild with 2 bank tabs for less than it'd cost to get 2 bank tabs, so I don't care about the name |
| 21:46.31 | Hirsute | I don't generally get too bound up about names, unless they contain characters that aren't on my keyboard, but then I just ignore them completely. |
| 21:47.26 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, I've seen worse |
| 21:47.38 | ZorbaTHut | there was a guy on my server trying to sell his guild named "kinghts of heros" |
| 21:47.48 | NeoTron | my very first bank alt on my current server is Widdisonty |
| 21:48.33 | Lunessa | Heh, my bank-guild is <Dry Wit And Sarcasm> |
| 21:48.47 | Dewin | Lunessa: I'd have a witty bank guild name if I actually made the guild :) |
| 21:48.58 | Hirsute | Yeah, I don't sit down to roll a new toon right after reading a good book any more. My uncreative mind gets hung up on the names from the book. |
| 21:49.16 | Dewin | Hirsute: My gnome mage is Zebblebrox. |
| 21:49.24 | Hirsute | Dewin: Nice. |
| 21:49.25 | Lunessa | Dewin: *nod* There's a reason why <The Round Table> has turned into a second alt/bank guild. |
| 21:49.35 | Hirsute | My main is Randallthor. |
| 21:49.43 | Dewin | I think I first made him a little too soon after watching HHGTG |
| 21:49.59 | Dewin | Since Zebblebrox and Zaphod Beeblebrox are fairly similar |
| 21:50.06 | Dewin | but it also seemed like a perfect gnome name |
| 21:50.08 | Hirsute | Made him after reading straight through the first 10 books. |
| 21:50.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: ... man, i'd bitch about that name too :p |
| 21:50.32 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: I can't blame people. But if they aren't going to report me, *shrug* |
| 21:50.42 | Hirsute | It's blatantly against the naming rules. |
| 21:50.44 | Dewin | Hirsute: I've had someone ask people to report his name before so he could get a name change. |
| 21:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i'd bitch because it's not creative, but i wouldn't report it,because it's not that bad |
| 21:50.57 | Hirsute | But *I'm* not shelling out the money to change my name. |
| 21:51.09 | Hirsute | Yeah, I openly admit it isn't creative. |
| 21:51.24 | Dewin | Bank of America, why does your website suck? |
| 21:51.29 | Hirsute | I wasn't trying to be. I expected to park him next to a bank and never move him again. |
| 21:51.51 | Lunessa | Dewin: because BofA generally sucks. |
| 21:51.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i try to be reasonably original even with my bank alts, but i'm strange like that. |
| 21:52.13 | Hirsute | Nah, there's always the possibility they could end up being your main some day. |
| 21:52.24 | Dewin | Lunessa: Yeah, but they bought my 6.99% fixed credit card |
| 21:52.42 | Dewin | and their site keeps crashing Firefox before I can get a payment made. *sigh* |
| 21:52.55 | Hirsute | I'm still not incredibly creative (My gnome mage is Carryon, My gnome warlock with a crazy hairdo is Hirsute) |
| 21:52.58 | Lunessa | Dewin: Ugh. |
| 21:53.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: eh, in general unless i make some level 20+ my bank alt, i prefer to just roll a fresh character |
| 21:53.13 | Dewin | I technically have two bank alts |
| 21:53.16 | Hirsute | Well, the spelling on Hirsute is different, but that's his name. |
| 21:53.35 | Dewin | mainly because I levelled 1-300 mining on DK and decided I'd take engineering on her later so I held onto all the mining mats... + all the mining mats from all of my other miner toons. |
| 21:53.47 | Dewin | so she has all 8 bank slots full of ore, bars and gems. |
| 21:53.51 | Hirsute | My druid that I rolled on my roomates account before I really ever played was named Topiary. I like that name. |
| 21:54.02 | Hirsute | I bet he still exists too... *runs off to check armory* |
| 21:54.52 | Hirsute | Yep. I don't think my buddy plays on that server any more. |
| 21:56.48 | Tem|work | Hirsute: yeah I'd report Randalthor |
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| 21:57.07 | Dewin | I want someone to look at my addon, go "Nice idea, needs better implementation", and write the perfect XP/rep/tradeskill addon for me :-/ |
| 21:57.08 | Hirsute | Tem|work: And I wouldn't blame anyone for doing it. |
| 21:57.22 | Tem|work | Hirsute: I can't talk, though |
| 21:57.25 | Tem|work | my mage's name is Temaile |
| 21:57.37 | Hirsute | Heh. I want someone to look at my addon and say, "It needs a gui" and hand me one. Probably never going to happen, though. |
| 21:58.00 | zenzelezz | you can bring whatever you want |
| 21:58.01 | Hirsute | Tem|work: *shrug* Like I said, I don't get too wound up about names. |
| 21:58.15 | Tem|work | I get wound up about _bad_ names |
| 21:58.29 | Tem|work | I reported Omgwtfpwnt the other day |
| 21:58.36 | Tem|work | he changed it to Omgwtfpwned |
| 21:58.47 | Tem|work | which I'm going to report as well once I get unlazy |
| 21:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, zenzelezz. I need some nursing. |
| 21:59.01 | Dewin | Tem|Work: If someone is found repeatedly abusing names, the GM picks one for them. |
| 21:59.06 | Dewin | Tacoguy -> Vesrakechir in our guild. |
| 21:59.12 | Dewin | Granted, he was asking for it. |
| 21:59.18 | Tem|work | lol, really? |
| 21:59.22 | Hirsute | Heh. One particular guy who liked to whine endlessly about that toon's name had the name of Poppo. I was trying to get a weapon made, so was occasionally post ads in trade. |
| 21:59.30 | Tem|work | I reported a Vaelastraz last week |
| 21:59.31 | Dewin | he was told to name change Tacoguy #1 |
| 21:59.32 | ZorbaTHut | tem, there's been a level 62 night elf death knight named "Ãrthas Jenkins" that's been trying to recruit for the kill-horde-leaders achievement on my server for the past week |
| 21:59.37 | ZorbaTHut | like, how many bad signs can you fit into one character |
| 21:59.40 | Lopeppeppy | We had someone on AD who was like that with names. Ssarumpots (stomp your ass backwards) etc. |
| 21:59.41 | Dewin | then transferred another toon over to our server, which required a rename so he named it Tacoguy. |
| 21:59.46 | ZorbaTHut | I really can't think of any more, he's been amazingly thorough |
| 21:59.55 | zenzelezz | Tem|work: give him a break, it's bad enough being under the power of Nefarian |
| 22:00.05 | Hirsute | This guy would respond with 10-20 lines of whine after every ad I posted. |
| 22:00.33 | Hirsute | Eventually he said, "You could have tried to be a little creative". To which someone responded, "Says the guy whose name looks like 'poopoo'." |
| 22:00.36 | Hirsute | I laughed. |
| 22:00.44 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 22:00.52 | Dewin | my favorite 'testing' name |
| 22:00.55 | Dewin | was Cantrem Ember. |
| 22:01.03 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 22:01.17 | Dewin | possibly related to the other one I had, Ivor Gottigan. |
| 22:01.25 | ZorbaTHut | what I don't get is the people who don't seem to understand the concept of a market alt. more than once I've had someone tell me that I can't possibly understand WoW because I'm only level 1 |
| 22:01.38 | ZorbaTHut | while I'm talking on a character named "Zorbamart" |
| 22:01.50 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 22:02.13 | Dewin | I wonder if GMs would enforce a required name change if I complained about someone named "Mybankalt" |
| 22:02.15 | Dewin | lol |
| 22:02.40 | Hirsute | Dewin: Are you on an RP server? |
| 22:02.42 | Dewin | Yes. |
| 22:02.58 | Hirsute | Then maybe. |
| 22:03.13 | Dewin | I'd never do it, but I just wonder. |
| 22:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | They tend to care less about bank alt names, Dewin, even on an RP server. |
| 22:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | I knew someone whose hobby was to get the most subtly horrifying and insulting names possible past censors |
| 22:03.39 | Lopeppeppy | If the character is under level 10, they can't be bothered. |
| 22:03.54 | Hirsute | It just depends on if the GM is big into RP. |
| 22:04.07 | ZorbaTHut | he's walked around in various games named after Nazi figureheads, famous serial killers, phonetically spelled racial slurs, etc etc etc |
| 22:04.10 | Hirsute | Or if he's at all like [GM]Dave |
| 22:04.26 | Dewin | [GM]Dave's notoriety made it into WoW? |
| 22:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | [GM]Dave is my personal hero |
| 22:04.39 | Hirsute | I *love* [GM]Dave |
| 22:04.41 | ZorbaTHut | whenever the game's GMs force him to change, he sends them a list of possibilities. the smart ones deny all of them once they realize half of them are horrible |
| 22:04.54 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: Heh. |
| 22:05.20 | Hirsute | Yeah, on my server I've seen it a lot more, now that you can pay to change your own name, where the GM just picks a new name for someone who's reported. |
| 22:05.37 | ZorbaTHut | [gm]dave needs to lay off the enter key |
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| 22:05.53 | Dewin | I'm under the impression you get a one time option to fix your mistakes |
| 22:06.11 | Dewin | and if you abuse it again, they're like "screw this, you are now Tarubiaina!" |
| 22:06.24 | Hirsute | Dewin: I think that was the way it was before, but now you can always pay to change your name if you don't like it. |
| 22:06.41 | Dewin | yeah, I played FFXI. I tried to come up with random name-sounding letters and it started with "Taru". >.> |
| 22:07.01 | Tekkub | Taruop |
| 22:07.26 | Hirsute | I've heard more than one person say, "Yeah, I logged in today to find that my name that used to be Pwnurfacezzsuxxorz had been changed to Hraldof", or something similar. |
| 22:07.34 | Tekkub | Tarude |
| 22:07.56 | Dewin | Tekkub: My main toon in FFXI was named Istaru. |
| 22:08.03 | Hirsute | I almost want to play FFXI just because there's a race named Taru, I think it's funny. |
| 22:08.09 | Dewin | And it was supposed be Istar-u (Istar roughly translating to 'mage') |
| 22:08.17 | Dewin | I didn't even /see/ the other interpretation until it was too late. |
| 22:08.17 | Tekkub | Galka >>>>> taru |
| 22:08.34 | Hirsute | There's just something about saying "Taru" that makes me chuckle. |
| 22:08.36 | procule | backdrop is just a template frame ? |
| 22:08.42 | Dewin | Hirsute: It's technically tarutaru :) |
| 22:08.56 | Hirsute | Galka is good, but I can't say "Taru" without chuckling. TaruTaru almost makes me guffaw. |
| 22:08.58 | Lunessa | Games with Punishing Mechanics < Games That Are Actually Fun to Play |
| 22:09.14 | ZorbaTHut | what I don't get is that there's a guy on my server named "Windowsxp" |
| 22:09.15 | Tekkub | no, I mean the race, galka, they're the best thing in the game |
| 22:09.17 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, why? |
| 22:09.22 | Dewin | the only thing FFXI has over WoW is the social aspect of the game. |
| 22:09.35 | melin[] | whats the frame called that blizz shows all messages in? the healings on me etc (not the combatlog) |
| 22:09.37 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Exactly. The more I read from [GM]Dave's blog, the more I realize I wouldn't enjoy playing it. |
| 22:09.38 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, don't try to understand, just report him since he's dumb |
| 22:09.58 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I recognize him now as being the guy who posts stuff way under value on the AH |
| 22:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | it'd be a shame to lose that |
| 22:10.03 | Dewin | you do realize [GM]Dave isn't a real GM right? |
| 22:10.04 | Tekkub | Dewin, aye, can't argue that, WoW's social bits tend to be meh |
| 22:10.05 | Hirsute | melin[]: Scrolling something, I think... just a second. |
| 22:10.11 | ZorbaTHut | (bid bid bid bid bid bid) |
| 22:10.13 | Lunessa | I know several people who work in the MMO industry in CS (read as GMs) and they all have stories about the worst part of MMOs. People. |
| 22:10.22 | Tekkub | but FFXI's is an extreme since you ALWAYS need a group |
| 22:10.24 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I think that's true of all businesses. |
| 22:10.30 | Tekkub | and a well-balanced one at that |
| 22:10.39 | Dewin | Tekkub: WoW I have a lot of friends that are fairly... distant. FFXI I had quite a large handful of really, really close friends. |
| 22:10.42 | ZorbaTHut | one thing I really wish WoW would introduce: the ability to be in more than one guild at once |
| 22:10.45 | Lunessa | It is. But the MMO stories really connect because I'm so invested. |
| 22:11.09 | ZorbaTHut | ATITD has it, and it's glorious |
| 22:11.10 | Dewin | Zorba: I think it should be just one guild, but they should allow for more sophisticated chat channels |
| 22:11.10 | Tekkub | I never want more than one guild |
| 22:11.17 | Tekkub | the hard part is finding a GOOD guild... |
| 22:11.24 | Tekkub | that will put up with my bullshit |
| 22:11.28 | Dewin | I'm in a guild and a pseudo-guild |
| 22:11.37 | Tekkub | I had that in FFXI only cause I ran my LS |
| 22:11.42 | Dewin | It'd be nice to have some of the guild-like functionality over the pseudoguild, like the ability to send a calendar invite to it. |
| 22:11.44 | Hirsute | Yeah, I'm in a guild and... I guess it's a "raiding organization" |
| 22:11.45 | Tekkub | and I never want to do that again |
| 22:11.47 | Lunessa | Tekky - I'd put up with your bullshit, but you don't want to move servers. :P |
| 22:11.49 | melin[] | Im in a swedish slacker guild.. and it do put up with my shit quite well |
| 22:12.00 | melin[] | could be cause Im the GM of it |
| 22:12.08 | ZorbaTHut | it'd be neat to just *make it a guild* |
| 22:12.17 | ZorbaTHut | and they could also introduce an incredible new gold sink |
| 22:12.18 | Tekkub | Lunessa, you would, but would your guild? |
| 22:12.32 | ZorbaTHut | (1) from buying "guild slots", (2) from all the people making dedicated guildbank guilds |
| 22:12.44 | Lunessa | I don't know, Alestane, Lopepeppy, Cogwheel, what do you guys think? |
| 22:12.53 | Dewin | I'd love that aspect, because then I could join all my mains to my guildbank guild |
| 22:12.59 | Tekkub | PvEnis server? |
| 22:13.42 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub, what flavor of asshat are you, specifically, that I might judge better? |
| 22:13.44 | Lunessa | Tekkub: RP server biotch. |
| 22:13.53 | alestane | I have not found Tekkup to be egregiously offensive to date. |
| 22:13.57 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, you really have to ask? |
| 22:14.06 | Tekkub | RP tends to give me brainpain, so you'd have to deal with perpetually OOC |
| 22:14.21 | Tekkub | and I'm just an asshole is all, you should know this |
| 22:14.26 | Dewin | People actually RP on RP servers? |
| 22:14.31 | cog|away | not really |
| 22:14.35 | Tekkub | I offend people very easily |
| 22:14.40 | Dewin | Earthen Ring... doesn't, really. |
| 22:14.43 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, we're not froofy about RP, but we do all enjoy it. |
| 22:14.45 | Thunder_Child | lies Tekkub |
| 22:14.45 | cog|away | most of it is within-guild |
| 22:14.52 | cog|away | and we're not one of those guilds |
| 22:15.03 | Tekkub | alliance or furry? |
| 22:15.03 | Dewin | I have an RP toon which I have't touched in ages due to lack of finding people to associate with |
| 22:15.15 | cog|away | the best thing about rp servers is feeling righteous in reporting asshat names >.> |
| 22:15.23 | Tekkub | now that I'd like |
| 22:15.38 | melin[] | is there anyway to find out how many windows I have opened? I mean, they're named ChatFrame1, 2, 3 etc - but is there a count? |
| 22:15.41 | Dewin | yeah, I don't have to party with people named Xxkewldoodxx |
| 22:15.44 | Tekkub | why couldn't we have gotten 3.0.8 today so I could make a DK on your server? /pout |
| 22:15.51 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Alliance. See: http://www.groundingtotem.com |
| 22:16.10 | Tekkub | bugger I want to be tauren again |
| 22:16.19 | Tekkub | too many years as boring ol ally |
| 22:16.37 | Hirsute | melin[]: Sorry, I can't find the name of that frame. |
| 22:16.41 | Tekkub | Vent... that leaves one last question... |
| 22:16.47 | melin[] | Hirsute ok, thanks for looking tho =) |
| 22:16.49 | Tekkub | I'm sure you all type wince you're IRCers |
| 22:16.53 | Hirsute | melin[]: Yes, let me peek at some code real quick, regarding the ChatFrames |
| 22:16.57 | Tekkub | but, do people chit-chat on vent |
| 22:17.02 | Tekkub | or is it raid-org only? |
| 22:17.11 | cog|away | we chitchat from time to time |
| 22:17.20 | Tekkub | :( |
| 22:17.26 | cog|away | but mostly not |
| 22:17.30 | Lunessa | Tekkub: It's like IRC WoW. |
| 22:17.44 | Lunessa | And we have vent. |
| 22:17.49 | Tekkub | like IRC WoW... furryMUD? |
| 22:18.10 | Hirsute | melin[]: Actually, maybe not... the only place I've needed to do that, I just do a for i=1,7 do .... end |
| 22:18.25 | Tekkub | well, I need to get back to work, but I might just harass you later tonight |
| 22:18.40 | melin[] | Hirsute ah yea - you can only have 7 frames or something aint it? |
| 22:18.53 | cog|away | there's probably a constant defined |
| 22:18.57 | cog|away | somewhere in chatframe.lua |
| 22:19.03 | Tekkub | there's only 7 |
| 22:19.04 | Hirsute | melin[]: Yes, but I think the global NUM_CHAT_WINDOWS will do it.... checking. |
| 22:19.08 | procule | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.08 | procule | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.12 | procule | is that correct ? |
| 22:19.30 | Tekkub | XML /hiss |
| 22:19.47 | cog|away | Tekkub /hiss |
| 22:19.48 | melin[] | procule check out CreateFrame(), it makes life much easier |
| 22:19.56 | Hirsute | melin[]: Try NUM_CHAT_WINDOWS for knowing how many chat windows are open. |
| 22:19.59 | procule | i'm there |
| 22:20.19 | procule | i guess OptionsButtonTemplate should have been quoted |
| 22:20.21 | cog|away | melin[]: not if you have an xml editor that does code completion based on the schema |
| 22:20.24 | cog|away | :P |
| 22:20.42 | procule | (copy and paste) |
| 22:20.42 | melin[] | cog|away I like having it all in lua :P makes it more.. geek |
| 22:21.06 | melin[] | Hirsute will do, just gonna setup all files for the addon before launching wow :P |
| 22:22.17 | Hirsute | So, with ChatFrame:AddMessage(msg,r,g,b,messageGroup,fade). What is "messageGroup"? |
| 22:26.17 | procule | ok another question, when do a ReloadUI(), does it make you quit the game ? |
| 22:26.42 | Amarande | High rated wowhead comment: |
| 22:26.45 | Amarande | 'For Blizzard, 3-man group is code for "You can actually solo this if you don't suck."' |
| 22:26.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|AFK (i=skullsho@132.253.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 22:26.54 | Hirsute | procule: No, it doesn't quit the game. Though I believe it *does* write your saved variables to disk. |
| 22:27.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 22:27.16 | procule | ok so if i'm *doing* something, it continues ? |
| 22:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | What something would you be continuing, procule? That's a vague question. |
| 22:28.17 | Dewin | procule: If you are, say, on a taxi flight, the flight will continue |
| 22:28.18 | procule | like, being on a zeppelin |
| 22:28.20 | Dewin | you don't ever acutally log out. |
| 22:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, you keep on riding. |
| 22:28.36 | Dewin | I've noticed that /follow and I think autorun will break though. |
| 22:28.47 | procule | ok thanks, you are great guys :) |
| 22:28.52 | Dewin | Likely because /follow is handled clientside |
| 22:29.22 | Dewin | (i.e. your client doesn't tell the server "I want to follow X", it figures out what direction to move to follow X and says "I want to move this way") |
| 22:30.48 | procule | grr i can't seem to be able to create that damn button |
| 22:31.12 | procule | don't tell me, i'll find ! :P |
| 22:33.31 | melin[] | procule where is it positioned? |
| 22:33.54 | melin[] | you can check if its there by doing like.. /script print(MyButtonName:GetWidth()) |
| 22:34.53 | procule | yeah that's what i was thinking |
| 22:35.15 | procule | is that correct ? |
| 22:35.16 | procule | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.16 | procule | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.16 | procule | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.16 | procule | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.16 | procule | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.59 | procule | oh miss a </Anchors> |
| 22:37.10 | procule | nah it was not that |
| 22:37.33 | procule | what's about the inherits value ? |
| 22:38.09 | procule | i copy/pasted it but is it that ? |
| 22:39.19 | procule | Shirik: bonjour |
| 22:39.31 | procule | Shirik: es tu encore à l'école ? :) |
| 22:39.45 | Shirik | no, I don't really know why he's online |
| 22:39.50 | Shirik | my laptop might be on in my backpack |
| 22:40.33 | Shirik | omg ow |
| 22:40.33 | procule | un francais de France ou du Québec ? |
| 22:40.39 | Shirik | it's off, but it's very very hot |
| 22:40.50 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear, that's not good. |
| 22:41.02 | Lopeppeppy | procule, neither of those that I know of. |
| 22:41.24 | procule | ok you only learn french ? |
| 22:41.35 | Lunessa | For the love of all that is holy do not post multi-line XML examples in channel. Use pastey. FFS. |
| 22:41.47 | Cairenn|afk | indeed |
| 22:41.53 | procule | Lunessa: sorry :( |
| 22:41.53 | Cairenn|afk | that's why the link is in the channel topic |
| 22:42.04 | Cairenn|afk | http://wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 22:42.16 | procule | it was just 5 lines i thought it was okay |
| 22:42.32 | Cairenn|afk | anything more than one or two is asked to go to pastey |
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| 22:43.05 | procule | now that i understand |
| 22:43.11 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 22:43.14 | procule | is there a mistake in that ? :P |
| 22:43.22 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: is kinder than I am. I'm cranky, irritable and rude. |
| 22:43.37 | Cairenn|afk | well, even I can see that you have |
| 22:43.47 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.52 | Shirik | yeah it went into overheat protect |
| 22:44.03 | Shirik | couldn't get it to turn on without removing the battery :/ |
| 22:44.13 | Shirik | Anyway, |
| 22:44.14 | Thrae | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary <-- The MacBook Wheel, next revolutionary, easy-to-use, Apple product. |
| 22:44.27 | procule | Shirik: i've seen that a lot of time, don't worry |
| 22:44.51 | Hirsute | Thrae: Made me laugh |
| 22:45.27 | procule | Cairenn|afk: i fixed that, nothing |
| 22:45.50 | procule | i saw that when I copied it hehe |
| 22:45.57 | Shirik | Anyway, I took french for about 4 years |
| 22:45.59 | Shirik | but I live in US |
| 22:46.22 | procule | Shirik: i say so because you where "Ecole" |
| 22:46.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:46.39 | Shirik | that is indeed french :) |
| 22:46.45 | procule | i'm a french american |
| 22:47.04 | procule | if this exists.. |
| 22:47.05 | procule | hehe |
| 22:47.25 | frop | Malygos zerged us |
| 22:47.33 | Shirik | That being said |
| 22:47.42 | Shirik | I took Lopeppeppy's advice and picked up some baileys today |
| 22:47.46 | Shirik | they gave me free candles! |
| 22:48.32 | procule | Shirik: so I can say to you: yé où le tabarnak de char osti ? |
| 22:48.36 | zenzelezz | your Baileys' gave you candles? |
| 22:48.45 | Shirik | no, the person at the cash register did |
| 22:49.09 | Shirik | apparently they had these boxed sets with baileys and candles which they were trying to get rid of at the same price |
| 22:49.27 | zenzelezz | what sort of candles? |
| 22:49.44 | Shirik | candles that you light? |
| 22:49.47 | melin[] | do fonts have to be .ttf or does other formats work aswell, like .otf |
| 22:49.59 | zenzelezz | were did you buy this? |
| 22:50.03 | Lunessa | kd3: "That'll be $23.50. One moment please." *aims flame-thrower* "BURN! DIE! FIRE! FIRE!" |
| 22:50.30 | zenzelezz | "I'M ON FIRE! AGAIN!" |
| 22:50.35 | kd3 | that'd certainly break up the monotony of working at the starbucks inside a super target... >.> |
| 22:51.34 | zenzelezz | kd3: but what about the excitement your work brings? "What will she want? Latte? Plain? Something foreign? I can barely wait to find out!" |
| 22:51.37 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Walgreens |
| 22:52.22 | zenzelezz | I'm just having trouble seeing the connection between Baileys and candles in the first place, but then who knows what things are like in your country |
| 22:52.26 | kd3 | meh, most of my time is spent randomly cleaning the counters since our traffic's pretty much died since christmas ended |
| 22:52.32 | Shirik | I didn't get it either :) |
| 22:52.34 | Shirik | but they smell nice! |
| 22:52.50 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, Baileys is good with chocolate milk. |
| 22:53.07 | Thrae | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play <-- this is probably pretty old. |
| 22:53.10 | Lopeppeppy | Baileys is a sort of sweet romantic thing... but they'll package ANYTHING for Christmas sales, zenzelezz. |
| 22:53.17 | Thrae | I need to check The Onion more often. |
| 22:53.29 | zenzelezz | over here they can't sell much wine/liqour outside of actual wine-monopoly stores (whatever would be the appropriate English name for it), only beer/cider/stuff with .4% or less... I think it is |
| 22:53.30 | Shirik | omg Thrae, I linked that yesterday >< |
| 22:53.42 | Lunessa | Hey, I'd be all "Candles! Sweet. Nothing goes together like LIQUOR and FIRE!" |
| 22:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | FIRE! |
| 22:54.06 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: or... "impress her with candles! If that fails... here's some Baileys" |
| 22:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, we call those liquor stores mostly. |
| 22:54.43 | Thrae | Shirik: Great, so both of us are out of the loop. |
| 22:54.51 | Shirik | :P |
| 22:55.10 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: yours (from the little I've seen in movies/TV series) seem a bit different from ours still, but I suppose there are similarities |
| 22:55.23 | Shirik | zenzelezz: When I said "walgreens" I really meant "the store next to walgreens that only has liquor" |
| 22:55.31 | Shirik | it's still walgreens, but it's like its own store |
| 22:55.33 | Shirik | separated |
| 22:55.40 | kd3 | oh, that's right. you're in florida. I still don't get that |
| 22:55.50 | kd3 | the attached-but-separate liquor store |
| 22:56.21 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: oh, and Baileys is romantic? I always thought it looked... peculiar |
| 22:56.33 | Shirik | screw romance |
| 22:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | In New York groceries can sell beer and malted beverages (wine coolers), but anything else is at a liquor store. |
| 22:56.47 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... that's half the point of romance, dear. |
| 22:56.49 | zenzelezz | Shirik: says the guy with scented candles |
| 22:56.56 | Shirik | they were free! |
| 22:56.59 | zenzelezz | excuses |
| 22:57.02 | kd3 | rofl |
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| 22:57.06 | zenzelezz | you could've turned them down |
| 22:57.12 | Shirik | they smell good :( |
| 22:58.18 | Shirik | kd3: Is it a law or something? I didn't know :) |
| 22:58.36 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik -- yes. |
| 22:58.48 | Cairenn|afk | Thrae: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9726-WorldofWorldofWarcraft.html |
| 22:58.50 | Shirik | interesting |
| 22:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | The relative laws vary from state to state, but there are sooooo many liquor-based laws your head should spin. |
| 22:59.45 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:59.58 | zenzelezz | I still find your minimum age for drinking hilarious |
| 23:00.26 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Well in generall liquor does make that happen, Lopeppeppy :) |
| 23:01.00 | Cairenn|afk | zenzelezz: ditto |
| 23:01.23 | Shirik | zenzelezz: And yet, most americans are still immature at 21 |
| 23:01.38 | kd3 | yay! found an old cd of jtrance |
| 23:01.40 | Lunessa | Most people around the world are. |
| 23:01.41 | zenzelezz | Shirik: we never questioned that ;) |
| 23:01.42 | Hirsute | And yet, studies of drinking before the age of 21 have consistently shown that there's a stronger predisposition to problem drinking than if drinking is initiated after 21. |
| 23:01.44 | Cairenn|afk | you're old enough to have credit cards, sign leases/mortgages, own a car, serve in the military, carry a gun, smoke, etc - but you can't have a drink |
| 23:01.58 | Shirik | The lady at the store liked my ID though |
| 23:02.09 | Cairenn|afk | it's bloody ridiculous |
| 23:02.12 | Shirik | in VA (where my ID is from) they put on it "Under 21 until <date>" |
| 23:02.20 | Shirik | she was like "WoW! I don't have to think! Yay!" |
| 23:02.25 | kd3 | lmao |
| 23:02.25 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 23:02.55 | Cairenn|afk | god knows thinking is overrated in the US :p |
| 23:03.01 | Shirik | They actually do that because they have one design for people under 21 and another for over 21, but don't want to force reissuing the license |
| 23:03.05 | kd3 | meh, that was one of the first things I replaced after I turned 21... even though it was good until halfway through I turned 22 |
| 23:03.11 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: It's a thing. I'm all for raising the age of majority to 21 to... but... |
| 23:03.35 | Hirsute | It's a thing with sound medical support. |
| 23:03.45 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 23:03.48 | Shirik | what's wrong with 18? |
| 23:03.51 | Shirik | I mean, I don't drink much honestly |
| 23:03.52 | batrick | valorous is the 25 man naxx set right? |
| 23:03.54 | Shirik | it wouldn't affect me at all |
| 23:04.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:04.09 | Lunessa | Shirik: Nothing. I just want consistency. |
| 23:04.21 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that's exactly why I don't drink in mixed company, hello! |
| 23:04.21 | kd3 | meh, I drank more before I turned 21 than I have any time since |
| 23:04.28 | Shirik | I think the 21 thing might have more to do with driving age than anything else |
| 23:04.30 | Shirik | but I don't know |
| 23:04.38 | Hirsute | Shirik: Studies have consistenly linked drinking prior to the age of 21 with a larger predisposition to problem drinking than drinking that begins after 21. |
| 23:04.45 | Cairenn|afk | my daughter has been allowed to have sips of a drink either of us were having from the time she was 10 or so, been allowed to have a drink of her own (here at home) since she was 14-ish |
| 23:04.58 | Lunessa | For that matter, I'd be for lowering it in all cases to 16 and legally severing parental responsibility at that age too. |
| 23:04.59 | kd3 | the way europe does it makes a bit more sense... they start drinking before they get their license |
| 23:05.08 | Cairenn|afk | hence, she never did the "go out and get drunk with her friends behind our backs", etc |
| 23:05.12 | Cairenn|afk | because it's no big deal |
| 23:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, Cairenn. |
| 23:05.44 | Cairenn|afk | she's never been drunk |
| 23:06.02 | Cairenn|afk | she has a drink if she feels like it and doesn't if she doesn't |
| 23:06.05 | Lunessa | My parents supplied me with liquor when I went to college at 15. *shrug* |
| 23:06.06 | Cairenn|afk | cause it's no big deal |
| 23:06.07 | Shirik | she's like me :) |
| 23:06.12 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: exactly |
| 23:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | I would... cautiously recommend the experience once, to know what it is... but otherwise, know it's a BAD state to be in. |
| 23:06.41 | Shirik | I have had other people tell me the same thing |
| 23:06.46 | Shirik | I have no intention :P |
| 23:06.51 | Lunessa | I like a good solid, drunk until I slur and make no sense once every few years. But otherwise ... meh. |
| 23:07.03 | Shirik | I just don't get why |
| 23:07.03 | zenzelezz | if you're like me and don't eat much, don't weigh much, and don't drink often; then drinking with friends quickly leads to a drunk-out-of-your-skull experience + long time till next time |
| 23:07.09 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:07.17 | kd3 | meh, get drunk once that way you know where your limit is. that way you know you'll stop before you hit it next time |
| 23:07.32 | Cairenn|afk | kd3: ^^ |
| 23:07.34 | WobWork | kd3: unless you're drunken style is to lose all inhibitions |
| 23:07.39 | WobWork | argh |
| 23:07.41 | WobWork | your |
| 23:07.48 | WobWork | the internet has ruined me |
| 23:07.53 | Shirik | I think part of my tendency to stay away from alcohol is due to my old roommate |
| 23:08.00 | Shirik | he got drunk weekly and had the top bunk |
| 23:08.05 | Shirik | it was amusing watching him try to get in bed |
| 23:08.06 | Lunessa | ewwwww |
| 23:08.09 | kd3 | ouch |
| 23:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | It was valuable to me to get drunk, really drunk, once. See what it was, how sick I was, under controlled circumstances.. and not do it again. |
| 23:08.24 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
| 23:08.27 | Lunessa | Not so amusing when he fails to get up for bodily functions. |
| 23:08.32 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: yep |
| 23:08.32 | WobWork | One of my friends sits at his computer every friday |
| 23:08.42 | Shirik | Lunessa: Fortunately that never happened :P |
| 23:08.45 | WobWork | and drinks grey goose vodka out of an old McDonalds cup |
| 23:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | But I also had drunk driving training that same evening, so I learned a lot of lessons at once. |
| 23:08.58 | WobWork | that's enough to make me want to do anything but drink =P |
| 23:09.03 | Shirik | drunk driving training? |
| 23:09.15 | batrick | paper cups are really really bad for alcohol |
| 23:09.17 | WobWork | So you were prepping for the exam |
| 23:09.17 | Cairenn|afk | I've been drunk a grand total of 5 times in my entire life, only a couple of them by deliberate choice (never let others mix your drinks for you at a party :p ) |
| 23:09.27 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:09.33 | batrick | i found that out the hard way with dixie cups and shots of whiskey |
| 23:09.35 | Shirik | If you had that blue stuff at the cheesecake factory! |
| 23:10.00 | WobWork | The only time I drink a lot is at NYE |
| 23:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik. I grew up extremely rural. At the beginning of the "see what it's like to be drunk" night, I drank 3 wine coolers in quick succession, got taken out to a one way dirt road, and made to try to drive. I broke into tears and wouldn't. |
| 23:10.05 | Cairenn|afk | omg that first one was completely undrinkable, and I drink scotch straight! |
| 23:10.09 | Shirik | haha |
| 23:10.11 | WobWork | and that's at a friends place, so the environment is controlled |
| 23:10.24 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Interesting |
| 23:10.29 | Lunessa | I'm a trained bartender. I make good drinks. :P |
| 23:10.40 | Shirik | I'll mix drinks for you |
| 23:10.44 | Shirik | it probably will taste horrible though |
| 23:10.48 | WobWork | Do you flip the cups and do tricks, Lunessa? |
| 23:10.48 | Thunder_Child | the first and only time i got drunk was on a rooftop...silly me |
| 23:10.58 | Hirsute | Drunk driving training: 1)Put down the keys. 2)Let someone else drive. |
| 23:11.04 | Cairenn|afk | Thunder_Child: eep |
| 23:11.14 | Cairenn|afk | Hirsute: ^^ |
| 23:11.15 | Lunessa | WobWork: Depends on how cramped my hands are. CTS and arthritis don't help. |
| 23:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik -- I learned. It's a valuable lesson, but sucks to learn. I'd rather learn that way than assume "Oh, I can do it!" and be very very very very wrong. |
| 23:12.50 | Shirik | brb |
| 23:18.13 | WobWork | hm, does using parameters in mysql prevent SQL injection hacks? |
| 23:18.21 | WobWork | (for .net) |
| 23:19.06 | melin[] | whats wrong here? : ATFontSettings:SetScript("OnLoad", function() print("Yo!") end) |
| 23:19.17 | melin[] | ATFontSettings is a button |
| 23:19.29 | WobWork | print()? |
| 23:19.37 | Arrowmaster | you cant use OnLoad in lua |
| 23:19.53 | Arrowmaster | its already run before you can do the SetScript |
| 23:19.57 | melin[] | ah |
| 23:20.14 | melin[] | Im trying to add a command to the slash list |
| 23:20.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Godzmack (n=godzmack@89-160-142-181.du.xdsl.is) |
| 23:20.45 | melin[] | trying something else |
| 23:20.57 | Arrowmaster | just do it directly |
| 23:21.30 | melin[] | oh, thought it had to be done on a frame load, cause thats always what ive seen in other addons Ive been checking |
| 23:21.35 | melin[] | learn something every day |
| 23:22.11 | melin[] | another question, is there a way to get the color of a channel? |
| 23:23.00 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=ven@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 23:32.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Diskmaster (n=YOURFACE@76.84.164.192) |
| 23:35.06 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN guys. Sick Peppy is going to go be with people who will take care of her. |
| 23:35.45 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-69-204-134-64.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:45.40 | *** join/#wowuidev |pez| (n=user@213-187-182-126.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 23:48.22 | *** part/#wowuidev Kandoko (n=Testing@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Kandoko) |
| 23:48.27 | NightHawkTheSane | I forgot how disturbingly awesome Being John Malkovich is |
| 23:48.54 | zenzelezz | I prefer being myself |
| 23:50.42 | Tekkub | o/~ Ma~lkovich Malkovich! o/~ |
| 23:51.33 | NightHawkTheSane | malkovich? |
| 23:52.15 | Lunessa | Malkovich! |
| 23:52.25 | Tekkub | Malkovich Malkovich! |
| 23:52.47 | NightHawkTheSane | malkovich, malkovich malkovich |
| 23:53.48 | Lunessa | Malkovich, malkovich. *nodding* |
| 23:55.25 | Tekkub | we are so pathetic |
| 23:55.37 | Esamynn | speak for yourself |
| 23:55.53 | Tekkub | we are so Malkovich |
| 23:56.02 | Industrial | How do i print a message meant for a scrollingmessageframe (eg chat, UIErrorsFrame) .. RAW. |
| 23:56.18 | Esamynn | say what? |
| 23:56.24 | Industrial | without formatting |
| 23:56.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko (n=Testing@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Kandoko) |
| 23:56.29 | Industrial | so I can see wtf it actually is |
| 23:56.39 | Industrial | with colors as |cff000000 etc |
| 23:56.51 | Tekkub | gsub the pipe? |
| 23:57.00 | Tekkub | send it into spew? |
| 23:57.11 | Tekkub | spew will escape it all out for you |
| 23:57.14 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.21 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm John Malkovich. later. |
| 23:57.29 | Industrial | Esamynn: wat? |
| 23:57.33 | Industrial | Tekkub: I dont have spew |
| 23:57.39 | Esamynn | you have DevTools, right? |
| 23:57.42 | Industrial | no |
| 23:57.44 | Tekkub | once again you fail |
| 23:57.46 | Industrial | I have print() |
| 23:57.46 | Esamynn | ~fail Industrial |
| 23:57.47 | purl | Industrial: FAIL! |
| 23:57.50 | Tekkub | spew >> all! |
| 23:57.58 | Tekkub | print won't do it |
| 23:58.11 | Cairenn|afk | ~devtools |
| 23:58.12 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 23:58.15 | Industrial | are you making me look into spew how it does it ant then do it myself? |
| 23:58.57 | Esamynn | Industrial: you can escape the | character with || |
| 23:59.19 | Esamynn | or rather, replace, | with || and that will display as a single | in a chat frame |
| 23:59.32 | Industrial | ty |
| 23:59.32 | Tekkub | no I'm telling you to just use spew |
| 23:59.55 | Industrial | Tekkub: well that's not an answer to my question :p |
