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| 00:03.38 | Tekkub | there needs to be a temp ignore addon |
| 00:03.50 | Tekkub | i.e. ignore till your logout |
| 00:04.10 | Adys | report spam achieves that |
| 00:04.36 | Adys | though you cant report spam a guildy |
| 00:05.00 | AnduinLothar | aww |
| 00:06.21 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 00:06.31 | Tekkub | I already use that liberally when I'm in shitwind |
| 00:06.43 | Tekkub | thank god I finally hit dalaran so I can go to exodar again |
| 00:12.11 | Tekkub | amazing how 4 people can fucking ruin guild chat with one addon |
| 00:16.12 | Adys | Hi Tekkub |
| 00:18.44 | mikma | tekkub: how can n+1 players ruin general and trade with guild-spam |
| 00:24.57 | Wobin | I wish they'd fix these damn vehicle dailies |
| 00:25.41 | AnduinLothar | i wish vehicals didn't reanchor the player frame and use the bonusactionbar bindings |
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| 00:33.14 | Tekkub | bonusbar I don't mind, but the playerframe stuff sucks, yes |
| 00:34.04 | nevcairiel | the whole vehicle thing is very unfriendly for addon authors :( |
| 00:34.17 | nevcairiel | there is no real support for action buttons either |
| 00:34.41 | Tekkub | the thing I hate is that you can't rearrange the skills on the bar and have it remember them |
| 00:34.56 | Tekkub | I *don't* have my most used skills on 1-3 |
| 00:34.58 | foxlit | The amount of UI polish in 3.0 seems relatively pathetic. |
| 00:35.15 | Tekkub | I have them under my fingers at 5-8 |
| 00:35.17 | foxlit | Then again, perhaps I'm wrong in comparing it to say 2.4 |
| 00:35.22 | nevcairiel | All they "polished" was the this/self thing |
| 00:35.22 | Tekkub | <3 nostromo |
| 00:35.34 | nevcairiel | everything else seems to be hacked in to make it work |
| 00:35.39 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 00:35.43 | nevcairiel | well, short of the new secure templates |
| 00:35.46 | nevcairiel | those feel kinda good |
| 00:35.47 | Tekkub | which they had done before, they just didn't want to release it till 3.0 |
| 00:35.52 | foxlit | Those kinda feel user-contributed |
| 00:35.57 | nevcairiel | they are |
| 00:35.58 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:36.00 | Tekkub | and the new tempaltes THEY DIDN'T DO! |
| 00:36.04 | foxlit | Which makes me wonder what the rest of the UI team were doing. |
| 00:36.11 | Tekkub | they got that for fucking free |
| 00:36.49 | Tekkub | redesigning the DK playerframe and the achievements UI 20 times |
| 00:37.05 | foxlit | "And, now, guys, let's try with PINK runic power bar!" |
| 00:37.26 | nevcairiel | No idea what happend on the C part of things, granted they redid the whole aura handling, added threat stuff, added the whole achievement handling |
| 00:38.51 | Shadowed | achievement UI is still evil |
| 00:38.57 | Shadowed | so much wasted space |
| 00:39.07 | foxlit | Perhaps some of this is heading for a fix in 3.1, but slouken has been pretty silent about that. |
| 00:39.30 | nevcairiel | the whole UI team has been pretty silent lately |
| 00:39.59 | Shadowed | maybe they will announce some new awesome stuff, like 2.4 |
| 00:40.11 | Thunder_Child | werent you paying attention to the pannel Tekkub |
| 00:40.22 | nevcairiel | My guess, they are all busy with the dualspec shit |
| 00:40.41 | Tekkub | TC, yea, that was their "what we did for wrath" presentation :) |
| 00:40.57 | Shadowed | I'd think dual specs isn't a TON of UI work |
| 00:41.00 | Tekkub | that, and the this/self change, and the template code they were given |
| 00:41.07 | Iriel | There was a ton of other stuff |
| 00:41.08 | foxlit | Shadowed: but they are. |
| 00:41.19 | Shadowed | for the Lua side? |
| 00:41.21 | Tekkub | Iriel, LIES! oh yea the calendar too |
| 00:41.33 | Shadowed | depends how they do it, but the things like action bar/binding swapping I wouldn't think they would do in Lua |
| 00:41.35 | Iriel | this/self, elimination of the old crafting API, the calendar |
| 00:42.15 | foxlit | Seems like they're on a way longer release cycle than the rest of the teams, however. |
| 00:42.30 | foxlit | The cursor/companion bug has been around since the start of beta to the release. |
| 00:42.32 | Shadowed | maybe they will make companions work with action button functions |
| 00:42.35 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: not in Lua, btu they also work on the C part that works with the UI |
| 00:42.43 | Shadowed | ah thats true |
| 00:43.05 | Shadowed | Didn't companion frames come in somewhat late to beta? |
| 00:43.24 | nevcairiel | not that late, though |
| 00:43.38 | foxlit | They worked when they sent out WWI invites. |
| 00:46.24 | AnduinLothar | focus frame |
| 00:46.33 | Shadowed | does anyone even use that |
| 00:46.39 | foxlit | Because that totally took longer than 5 minutes :) |
| 00:46.50 | AnduinLothar | and they changed how target buffs worked again for i dunno what reason |
| 00:46.51 | Shadowed | I think it took a bit more than 5 minutes :p |
| 00:46.55 | Shadowed | what did they change AnduinLothar? |
| 00:47.04 | AnduinLothar | i've blocked it from my memory |
| 00:47.08 | Iriel | I know people who used it |
| 00:47.12 | AnduinLothar | they rewrote the whole buff management |
| 00:47.23 | Iriel | and power management (no more ticks) |
| 00:47.35 | AnduinLothar | and achievements |
| 00:47.35 | Shadowed | You mean the UnitAura changes, or are you talking about something else? |
| 00:47.44 | AnduinLothar | more than that |
| 00:47.49 | nevcairiel | oh yeah the client-side power prediction is actually nice |
| 00:47.58 | AnduinLothar | but it onyl effects the target frame and looks similar |
| 00:48.31 | AnduinLothar | was the reason why UnitFrameBuffs took 10x longer to update |
| 00:48.32 | foxlit | Wonder if that makes polling UnitMana the preferred update mechanic now. |
| 00:49.39 | Fisker- | btw nevcairiel |
| 00:49.40 | Fisker- | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Todeswache&n=Piccolina |
| 00:49.42 | Fisker- | B&! |
| 00:53.58 | nevcairiel | What are you trying to tell me? |
| 00:54.14 | Fisker- | he's B& |
| 00:54.16 | Fisker- | (banned) |
| 00:54.37 | nevcairiel | does that say it somewhere and i'm blind? |
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| 00:55.45 | Fisker- | 1. His epics are gone |
| 00:55.45 | Fisker- | 2. His achievement is somewhat reset |
| 00:55.45 | Fisker- | 3. He was last logged in january 1st. |
| 00:55.45 | nevcairiel | I'm confused |
| 00:55.59 | Fisker- | :3? |
| 00:56.03 | nevcairiel | says updated on january 4th |
| 00:56.11 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 00:56.16 | Fisker- | That's because his ban just expired |
| 00:56.32 | Fisker- | When a GM takes your shit the armory doesn't get updated |
| 00:56.41 | Fisker- | So yesterday morning he was logged in january 1st |
| 00:56.49 | Fisker- | but achievements still showed up and the items were still there |
| 00:56.51 | nevcairiel | he also still has a heroic naxxramas achievement .P |
| 00:56.59 | Fisker- | But the individual bosses are grey |
| 00:57.03 | Fisker- | either armory fails or the GM failed |
| 00:58.12 | Tekkub | there are days I love being an addon developr |
| 00:58.42 | Tekkub | I had my greeting spam blocker written before they'd finished "voting" on if they should keep using it :) |
| 00:58.49 | Tekkub | and of course, they are still using it |
| 01:00.40 | foxlit | Fisker-: next question: who the heck is that and why do we care? :) |
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| 01:08.44 | Fisker- | foxlit mage who soloed military wing |
| 01:08.44 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 01:09.04 | cbreak | why did he get banned? |
| 01:09.14 | Fisker- | exploits duh |
| 01:09.21 | cbreak | of what? |
| 01:09.30 | cbreak | a paladin in my guild soloed onyxia :/ |
| 01:09.37 | AnduinLothar | been done |
| 01:10.07 | Fisker- | Onyxia isn't a level 80 25-man dungeon cbreak :3 |
| 01:10.19 | cbreak | it's a 40 man dungeon! |
| 01:10.49 | Fisker- | even back when it was hard you could basically 5-man it |
| 01:10.50 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 01:11.25 | cbreak | yeah, but still. He only used allowed skills |
| 01:14.45 | Fisker- | Doesn't matter actually |
| 01:15.52 | Cide | cbreak: if he did anything else it'd be called "hacking" |
| 01:16.01 | Cide | not "exploiting" |
| 01:16.10 | cbreak | I mean, you can exploit a bug, not an intended game mechanic |
| 01:16.11 | Fisker- | Good point |
| 01:16.32 | Fisker- | A bug itself is just an unintended feature |
| 01:16.43 | Fisker- | Basically you're supposed to go |
| 01:16.54 | Fisker- | "Is this normal?" |
| 01:16.57 | Fisker- | No = exploit |
| 01:16.59 | Fisker- | basically |
| 01:17.27 | cbreak | I killed sarturion with only 8 instead of 10 :/ |
| 01:17.47 | Fisker- | So even though Blizzard supplies the tools and you in no way did anything "out of the ordinary" you're still supposed to consider if it's an exploit doing a 25-man instance alone when you probably need around 20 to just do it |
| 01:17.52 | cbreak | by exploiting blizzard to hit several mobs at the same time |
| 01:18.32 | cbreak | well, obviously you only need one :) |
| 01:19.14 | Fisker- | If you really think that your next question would be: "Can i do this as <insert any other class>?" |
| 01:19.32 | cbreak | I can't solo onyxia |
| 01:19.46 | Fisker- | AoE'ing was also an exploit |
| 01:20.08 | Fisker- | Because you could do unintended damage to a lot of mobs |
| 01:20.11 | cbreak | in that case I am an exploit class. |
| 01:20.18 | Fisker- | So they introduced the AoE cap |
| 01:20.36 | Fisker- | But in this case there was no way one would ever logically conclude that it wasn't intended |
| 01:20.43 | Fisker- | So in that case it's Blizzard's responsibility |
| 01:22.22 | Fisker- | Like the rampage bug |
| 01:22.28 | Fisker- | You could oneshot bosses |
| 01:22.36 | cbreak | the pala thing? |
| 01:22.44 | Fisker- | People doing that were banned, because people were obviously supposed to think "Should i be able to do this?" |
| 01:22.46 | Fisker- | Warrior bug |
| 01:23.05 | cbreak | a pala once oneshot kazzie |
| 01:23.08 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 01:23.56 | AnduinLothar | haha i did that in beta and didn't get banned cause no one cared |
| 01:24.17 | AnduinLothar | me and... tem? went around doing heroics |
| 01:24.25 | cbreak | I am soloing stratholme for the mount. no luck so far :( |
| 01:24.43 | Tekkub | I don't get why people want that mount |
| 01:24.56 | cbreak | it looks cool |
| 01:25.06 | Fisker- | i guess it's the one most soloable :P |
| 01:25.10 | Tekkub | horses suck, dead horse suck and smell |
| 01:25.19 | Fisker- | i tried soloing the tiger boss |
| 01:25.23 | Fisker- | but the mount didn't drop |
| 01:25.27 | Fisker- | so i FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-'ed |
| 01:25.35 | cbreak | "I am not beating a dead horse, I ride on it!" |
| 01:25.37 | Tekkub | see now, the tiger I can see... tigers are cool |
| 01:25.45 | Tekkub | but I have bears now, so I don't care if I get one |
| 01:26.25 | cbreak | tip: do not give in and buy a mamooth |
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| 01:27.51 | Tekkub | no one sells Regal Shadow Crystal anymore... I wonder why |
| 01:28.09 | Tekkub | oh yea, because blizzy need to FIX THE BUG |
| 01:30.25 | zenzelezz | I wonder why Blizzard didn't remove the tier 3 quests from the quest givers. It is rather unlikely someone will suddenly realize they forgot to turn in their token and decide to do it now |
| 01:31.01 | Tekkub | the naxx 60 ones? |
| 01:31.06 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 01:31.06 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i think blizz should go back to a more frequent update schedule |
| 01:31.19 | AnduinLothar | they have things fixed and then wait to push them with a big patch |
| 01:31.37 | cbreak | I still have 8 splinters of atiesh :( |
| 01:31.38 | Tekkub | agreed, I liked getting more than 5 major patches in a year |
| 01:31.58 | Tekkub | er, sorry, 4 |
| 01:32.04 | AnduinLothar | even if it's just lieka bug fix patch it makes the customers happy to knwo SOMETHING is happening |
| 01:32.20 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 01:32.40 | zenzelezz | should just separate content patches from bug fix patches |
| 01:32.47 | Tekkub | little bugfix patches are the best |
| 01:33.03 | Tekkub | I hate waiting for th enext semi-big patch for stupid shit to be fixed |
| 01:33.32 | Tekkub | especially when they're over a month apart *cough* |
| 01:34.03 | AnduinLothar | i think it would cut down on stress at work too |
| 01:34.11 | Fisker- | It would be awesome if they had more ui/bugfixing/feature releases |
| 01:34.18 | Fisker- | and then "omg new content"-patches |
| 01:34.20 | AnduinLothar | like, hey we need to get X done by x so it can be tested and put into patch Y |
| 01:34.25 | zenzelezz | "Patch early, patch often" |
| 01:35.07 | Tekkub | do a patch every other week on maint day if there are things that have been fixed |
| 01:35.07 | AnduinLothar | be way less stressful to just be like, "oh, we have x, y and z done and tested, they'll go out in tomorrow's patch |
| 01:35.15 | Fisker- | Could be awesome if they could also deploy client-side "hotfixes" |
| 01:35.19 | Tekkub | when new features are ready, make it a bigger patch |
| 01:35.36 | Fisker- | So instead of creating a patch you would just get the files that needed to be patched |
| 01:35.45 | Aiiane | Fisker-: WAR has that, it's sort of nice |
| 01:35.47 | Tekkub | uh.. that IS a patch |
| 01:35.52 | Fisker- | Of course it is |
| 01:36.01 | Aiiane | but yeah, that's basically just automatic patching on a smaller scale |
| 01:36.02 | Tekkub | you just want not-installey patching |
| 01:36.10 | Fisker- | But the way i mean is that it doesn't require a new binary etc. |
| 01:36.21 | Tekkub | there have been a few patches like that |
| 01:36.35 | Tekkub | you login it downs the patch and aplies it, and restarts the client |
| 01:36.44 | Tekkub | havn't seen one in ages though |
| 01:36.55 | Fisker- | Just saying it would be a lot more awesome if they had like a dedicated "small-stuff" patch team |
| 01:37.01 | Fisker- | doing UI enhancements, etc. |
| 01:37.12 | Fisker- | fixing tooltips, etc. |
| 01:37.28 | Tekkub | they don't even need that, they just need to say every other week, "what have we fixed? deploy those" |
| 01:37.51 | Fisker- | Yeah but they claim that they don't do those patches since "a lot of shit needs to be done" |
| 01:37.58 | Tekkub | instead of the generic "it'll be in the next patch" and then that patch hinges upon some more major thing that needs tested |
| 01:38.31 | Fisker- | Which is why i think it would be cool if you could cut out the "A lot of shit needs to be done"-part (i.e. building a specific patch) you could kinda "hotfix" it and it would just get new files when connecting to the server |
| 01:39.27 | AnduinLothar | i bet the reason is just testing |
| 01:39.32 | Tekkub | really all that needs done is that someone needs to get them to care about getting fixes out fast, instead of only focusing on the "when it's done" features |
| 01:39.45 | AnduinLothar | they usually like patch builds to go througha week or two or testing before releas |
| 01:40.15 | Tekkub | how long has 3.0.8 been testing? |
| 01:40.24 | AnduinLothar | a long time |
| 01:40.25 | Tekkub | or is it .6? |
| 01:40.43 | AnduinLothar | but they keep fixing things, then they go into the build and then they want that build to be thuroughly tested |
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| 01:41.00 | Tekkub | EXACTLY |
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| 01:41.11 | Tekkub | push out the things that have been done and tested |
| 01:41.32 | Tekkub | don't keep adding stuff, fix it, test it, get it out the door, then test the next batch of fixes |
| 01:41.37 | Fisker- | Could also be cool if they constantly had the PTR up |
| 01:41.40 | AnduinLothar | problem is you have to issolate thing things that work fromt he things that dont, then that makes a new build that needs to be tested |
| 01:41.56 | Tekkub | when a batch of fixes is ready and so is a feature, do both |
| 01:41.58 | Fisker- | Though of course that would probably end up in massive whinefests |
| 01:41.59 | AnduinLothar | they dont have a method to push svn revision XXXX out |
| 01:42.14 | Tekkub | yea, svn, that's their whole problem :) |
| 01:42.46 | Fisker- | In conclusion: moar patches, and give moar interface enhancements |
| 01:43.10 | AnduinLothar | they'd have to say: yeah we want svn revison 1234, 1238 and 1239, those are tested and workign, btu the things were change in 1236 and 5 are broken |
| 01:43.33 | AnduinLothar | there's no easy way to extract and merge the diffs |
| 01:43.39 | Tekkub | maybe I'm just biased here... I'm working on one major version of this app, the project lead's working on the version before me, and the version before that is deployed for the client to test |
| 01:43.44 | AnduinLothar | someone would have to write an app or script to do it |
| 01:43.58 | Olorin_ | did someone say the other day that pally def cap at 80 was 540? |
| 01:44.00 | Tekkub | yea, and that's all svn's shitty branching problem |
| 01:44.13 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 01:44.36 | AnduinLothar | be nice to have a revisionign that allowed you to 'finalize' individual changes |
| 01:44.37 | Tekkub | here in this app, each ticket has a branch, it's trivially easy to grab a bunch and deploy them to the test server |
| 01:44.56 | Tekkub | one bad? re-do the merging, minus it, redeploy |
| 01:45.08 | Fisker- | lets complain on the forums |
| 01:45.09 | Tekkub | everyting tests out? deploy that to production and tag |
| 01:45.10 | Fisker- | that'll work |
| 01:45.14 | Tekkub | you do that |
| 01:45.16 | AnduinLothar | what rev software are you using tek? |
| 01:45.21 | Tekkub | git |
| 01:45.24 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 01:45.51 | AnduinLothar | yeah, well switching froms vn to git would put them back a few more weeks |
| 01:45.52 | Tekkub | instead of that "everyone in trunk" mess you always end up with in svn |
| 01:46.16 | Tekkub | which no one would notice anyway |
| 01:46.22 | AnduinLothar | perhaps |
| 01:46.27 | Tekkub | weeks between minor patches? nevar! |
| 01:46.33 | AnduinLothar | would also require rewriting of all their internal tools |
| 01:46.41 | AnduinLothar | or most |
| 01:46.44 | Tekkub | pfft, tools |
| 01:46.55 | AnduinLothar | they have a good sized tools team |
| 01:47.05 | AnduinLothar | and then everyone would ahve to aclimate |
| 01:47.12 | AnduinLothar | so prolly more liek a few months |
| 01:47.14 | Tekkub | can I have one of the good sized tool guys? |
| 01:47.19 | Tekkub | bearish please |
| 01:47.41 | AnduinLothar | just saying, not really somethign that needs to be attempted mid-project |
| 01:48.08 | AnduinLothar | and afaik when they started 6ish years ago git wasn't really an option |
| 01:48.15 | Tekkub | *shrug* I'm just saying they patch workflow sucks, but that's what this whole thing was about |
| 01:48.23 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 01:48.28 | AnduinLothar | it does |
| 01:48.37 | AnduinLothar | but there's no real easy fix |
| 01:48.48 | Tekkub | no, and I don't think they really care |
| 01:48.49 | AnduinLothar | they'd have to redesign their workflow |
| 01:48.54 | Tekkub | which is the first step |
| 01:49.24 | AnduinLothar | we'll ahve to see if they chose something different for SC2 or D3 |
| 01:49.26 | Fisker- | Not like most people will "care" anyways |
| 01:49.29 | AnduinLothar | tho neither is mmo |
| 01:49.37 | Fisker- | sure people will probably agree it would be awesome |
| 01:49.45 | Fisker- | But it's not like they're losing people on it :P |
| 01:49.55 | Tekkub | yea, I'm sure they're focused on features cause that's what the users care most about |
| 01:49.55 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 01:50.08 | AnduinLothar | just bugs us programmer types |
| 01:50.10 | Tekkub | most people don't care tha one gem cut produces a different gem |
| 01:50.19 | AnduinLothar | and we're hopelessly addicted anyway |
| 01:50.33 | Tekkub | and we want to fix tings |
| 01:50.37 | Tekkub | including blizzy itself |
| 01:51.14 | AnduinLothar | must... fix.... things.. |
| 01:51.16 | Iriel | The version control system in use is not the cause of the time it takes to run a patch through |
| 01:51.27 | Iriel | it's just the way that large project quality control always ends up going |
| 01:51.35 | AnduinLothar | true enough |
| 01:51.40 | AnduinLothar | but it contributes |
| 01:52.11 | AnduinLothar | there's _always_ a better system by the time you get toa project this developed |
| 01:52.14 | Iriel | Perhaps, but it's a minor contributor, compared to change control, QA understanding of the code base, and whether the app is designed to encourage rapid but isolated change |
| 01:53.08 | AnduinLothar | they designed aroudn the tools they had at the time |
| 01:53.54 | AnduinLothar | the next products will fix some fundamental problems they ran into, it's how it goes. |
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| 01:56.04 | AnduinLothar | speaking of projects. has anyone tried using Portfolio? I haven't gotten any comments in the last 50 thousand downloads. I'm starved for feedback |
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| 01:58.09 | AnduinLothar | i want to add sub-pages, they seem more popular than giant scrolling lists, btu i'm not sure how i need to implement them |
| 02:00.23 | AnduinLothar | was thinking about separating option frame registration from creation |
| 02:00.41 | AnduinLothar | then you can create the pages you need and register them how you want |
| 02:00.49 | Colin__ | Is there anything out there that grey out/darken DoTs/HoTs that don't need casting? |
| 02:08.24 | Cide | don't need casting? |
| 02:08.43 | AnduinLothar | i assume he means one that's already ont he target |
| 02:08.59 | AnduinLothar | which would require a database of spells to buffs/debuffs |
| 02:09.22 | AnduinLothar | which is why it hasn't been done |
| 02:09.24 | smoke_ | is there something better than wowbench? |
| 02:10.06 | smoke_ | i see it hasnt been updated in a while, everything same w/ live wow? |
| 02:10.48 | AnduinLothar | no, it's old and isn't up to date with live wow |
| 02:11.54 | smoke_ | there isnt anything else similiar thats updated? |
| 02:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Who pinged me> |
| 02:12.01 | AnduinLothar | not afaik |
| 02:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *? |
| 02:12.08 | AnduinLothar | prolly me sbo |
| 02:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | So it was |
| 02:12.17 | AnduinLothar | i was QQing, you can ignore it |
| 02:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I READ YOUR QQ |
| 02:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And we have them because... that's what we filled with before opening recruitment |
| 02:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 02:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's to be considered a not remotely subtle hint depending on how this DK turns out =] |
| 02:13.19 | AnduinLothar | in that case you can also listen to my QQ about Sett, Daic, Lycaeus QQing about pvp all day and makign me leave gchat. |
| 02:13.38 | AnduinLothar | it occurs to me i prolly should have just /ignored them |
| 02:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh sorry, I misread |
| 02:13.47 | AnduinLothar | but there wasn't really a good option |
| 02:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "One" of them not you in specific |
| 02:14.09 | AnduinLothar | you lost me |
| 02:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "Is it like not so subtle hints that i need to make prot main?" <-- we're hoping SOMEONE does, not forcing that atm and not forcing that to be you either |
| 02:15.00 | AnduinLothar | well the other et's wont |
| 02:15.03 | AnduinLothar | rets |
| 02:15.39 | AnduinLothar | i might as well i guess. |
| 02:16.02 | AnduinLothar | since our guild pvp'ers spend all day QQing about pvp |
| 02:16.12 | AnduinLothar | so there's very little reason for me to be ret |
| 02:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:17.55 | ZorbaTHut | smoke, if you want to develop mods, you pretty much have to do it directly inside the game. |
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| 02:26.50 | Cide | >>> string.format("%02x", 255*0.82) |
| 02:26.50 | Cide | Cide: "d1" |
| 02:54.49 | Wobin | Hm |
| 02:54.58 | Wobin | They should cycle through the soundtrack when you're waiting in the queue |
| 02:55.07 | Wobin | That would make it more interesting than just the title sequence |
| 02:55.26 | markl_ | what's the largest queue you've seen? |
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| 03:03.19 | Iriel | about 4 hours |
| 03:04.10 | Thunder_Child | Beta servers had much longer |
| 03:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43145#comments |
| 03:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Can that be used to store northrend enchants? |
| 03:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "60 or lower" leads me to believe no |
| 03:06.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's the highest level vellum |
| 03:18.32 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Yes, it can |
| 03:18.46 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: That means "Enchants that have a level requirement of 1-60" |
| 03:18.53 | Antiarc | Northrend enchants have a level requirement of 60 |
| 03:18.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, rught |
| 03:18.59 | ScytheBlade1 | *right |
| 03:19.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Just a weird way of putting it I guess |
| 03:22.38 | duaiwe | yeah, it's confusing, but technically corrct |
| 03:24.33 | Tekkub | it's certainly better then having to carry around 3 types of vellum so you can do lower enchants |
| 03:24.42 | Tekkub | even if it costs more |
| 03:24.58 | Tekkub | just roll that into the sell price :) |
| 03:30.56 | Tekkub | "Don't try to put this in the "Will not be traded box" thinking it will turn into a scroll when it gets enchanted, you will get cheated out of gold/mats and it will be your own fault, I learned this the hard way :(" |
| 03:31.14 | Tekkub | that's what you get for trying to trick the enchanter into making a scroll you could sell! |
| 03:31.53 | Tekkub | wanna bet the scroll ends up in the enchanter's bag, like when you make it yourself? *snicker* |
| 03:32.12 | ZorbaTHut | wow, that sounds like a bug to me |
| 03:32.15 | ZorbaTHut | albeit a rather funny one |
| 03:32.29 | Tekkub | a bug sure, but not one they should fix |
| 03:32.43 | ZorbaTHut | they certainly should |
| 03:32.46 | ZorbaTHut | it should either not work, or work |
| 03:32.47 | Tekkub | if you're not trading the vellum to the enchanter with the mats, you're trying to pull a fast one |
| 03:32.49 | ZorbaTHut | not consume materials |
| 03:32.57 | ZorbaTHut | the enchanter can see what you're doing |
| 03:33.04 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like you can hide what's getting enchanted |
| 03:33.19 | Tekkub | yea but he might not be paying attention, |
| 03:33.26 | ZorbaTHut | and even if you still think it's a scam somehow, it just shouldn't work |
| 03:33.35 | ZorbaTHut | that is a *terrible* reason :P |
| 03:33.47 | Tekkub | honestly, it should just end up in the enchanter's bag |
| 03:34.03 | Tekkub | then he gets to decide, give it to the guy, or pretend it's a bug |
| 03:34.08 | ZorbaTHut | no, it still shouldn't do that :P |
| 03:34.13 | Tekkub | maybe that's what is really happening? :) |
| 03:34.28 | ZorbaTHut | it should either work, i.e. the trader ends up with an enchanted item, or it shouldn't, i.e. it doesn't consume materials and can't be cast (similar to trying to enchant something that's not enchantable) |
| 03:34.51 | foxlit | "Tekkub: that's what you get for trying to trick the enchanter into making a scroll you could sell!" << Any enchanter that gets tricked is a moron |
| 03:35.07 | foxlit | Besides, what the heck is wrong with getting someone else to enchant a vellum and selling that? |
| 03:35.08 | Tekkub | true, but still |
| 03:35.43 | Tekkub | nothing, but if you're not trading it to him with mats, then you're not being honest about it in the first place |
| 03:35.54 | Tekkub | you're hoping he won't notice the item in the box is vellum |
| 03:36.02 | foxlit | BS |
| 03:36.15 | foxlit | You're hoping he won't run off with any more of your mats than needed. |
| 03:36.34 | Tekkub | yea cause vellum's *so* expensive :P |
| 03:36.49 | ZorbaTHut | armor vellum 3's selling for 20g, according to that site |
| 03:37.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 8g over here |
| 03:37.07 | Tekkub | 7g on mine |
| 03:37.13 | Tekkub | wowhead pulls those numbers out it's ass |
| 03:37.21 | foxlit | Tek, regardless, either share whatever it is that you're smoking, or shush :) |
| 03:37.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's accurate in some cases |
| 03:37.29 | ZorbaTHut | 25g on mine, though auctioneer says that's BS and it's usually cheaper |
| 03:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But not too many |
| 03:37.48 | Tekkub | ass-pulled numbers are always "accurate in some cases" |
| 03:38.02 | ZorbaTHut | I think it tends to be heavily lagged |
| 03:38.04 | ZorbaTHut | like, a month or so |
| 03:38.11 | Tekkub | I think wowhead just uses the same price for all items of the same type and ilvl |
| 03:38.14 | ZorbaTHut | you're seeing omg-must-skill-up-right-now numbers |
| 03:38.27 | ZorbaTHut | it'll be accurate in a few months when prices aren't dropping like rocks, right now it's just hilarity |
| 03:38.56 | Tekkub | now I'm curious what data wowhead collects |
| 03:39.15 | Tekkub | I know alla tracked auction prices, you could get a recent history |
| 03:39.52 | Tekkub | but not curious enough to grab their client and read it's code :) |
| 03:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It uploads your client cache DBCs and some saved vars that their addon writes |
| 03:40.47 | Tekkub | yes I'm well aware how it works |
| 03:41.11 | Tekkub | I was talking about ripping apart the addon to see what it gathers |
| 03:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You could just look at what it writes to see what it gathers :P |
| 03:41.48 | Tekkub | still requires downloading it :P |
| 03:42.53 | Tekkub | hrm, nope it's not a ilvl-derived value |
| 03:42.57 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder how their auction-price code works. if you do it in the most obvious way, you end up significantly overestimating values |
| 03:43.06 | Olorin_ | is their a font usable in the UI thats not proportionally spaced? or attribute you can use to space all characters in a fonstring equally? |
| 03:43.09 | Tekkub | just found 3 similar items, two had diff prices, one had none |
| 03:43.15 | ZorbaTHut | but I haven't noticed systematic overestimation on any of the db sites |
| 03:43.45 | Tekkub | well tracking what's seen on AH is the easiest |
| 03:43.57 | Tekkub | what you buy would be easy too and more accurate prices |
| 03:44.00 | ZorbaTHut | right, which gives you a nice list of all the auctions that nobody has bought, i.e. too-expensive ;) |
| 03:44.04 | ZorbaTHut | ah, what you buy. good call. |
| 03:44.10 | Tekkub | tracking what you've sold isn't too easy, the invoice doesn't give stack size |
| 03:44.14 | ZorbaTHut | why did I not think of that |
| 03:44.20 | ZorbaTHut | well, you can look at the mail message when it's opened |
| 03:44.26 | ZorbaTHut | and just see what's attached |
| 03:44.30 | Tekkub | which doesn't give stack size |
| 03:44.39 | Tekkub | no, what you've *sold* |
| 03:44.45 | ZorbaTHut | oh dur |
| 03:44.52 | ZorbaTHut | right. you'd have to track that in a more complicate manner |
| 03:44.52 | Tekkub | not what you buy, that can be tracked right at the AH when you buy it |
| 03:44.56 | ZorbaTHut | easier to just track buying |
| 03:44.59 | Tekkub | yea |
| 03:45.04 | ZorbaTHut | that can't quite be done, that wouldn't catch bids, only buyouts |
| 03:45.13 | ZorbaTHut | the mailbox is probably the best location |
| 03:45.27 | Tekkub | mailbox is very iffy |
| 03:45.37 | Tekkub | if you loot too fast you never get the invoice data |
| 03:45.50 | Tekkub | only tracking buyouts would get more results |
| 03:46.07 | ZorbaTHut | if you're building a giant data collection system, though, it's Good Enough |
| 03:46.07 | ZorbaTHut | tracking both wouldn't be a bad idea though |
| 03:46.07 | Tekkub | plus the majority of sales are buyouts anyway |
| 03:46.34 | Tekkub | yea you could just ignore mail loot that was a buyout |
| 03:46.42 | Tekkub | catch the few bids you could at the mailbox |
| 03:47.03 | Tekkub | OR! just track bids at the AH, and remove them if you see an "outbid" |
| 03:47.19 | Tekkub | would probably get more data since you can see the outbid subject without opening it |
| 03:47.30 | ZorbaTHut | you'd have to figure out *which* auction was outbid, though |
| 03:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | in some cases it'll be obvious, in others, not |
| 03:47.56 | Tekkub | true, but it'd still be more data than the other way |
| 03:48.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's questionable how useful dubious data like that is, though |
| 03:48.09 | Tekkub | and theoretically it's just as valid no matter which you delete |
| 03:48.19 | Tekkub | cause it's what someone was *willing* to pay for the item |
| 03:48.21 | ZorbaTHut | I generally take the philosophy that half as much useful data is better than twice as much dubious data |
| 03:48.41 | ZorbaTHut | I'm imagining a situation where you're bidding on several auctions with different prices and quantities |
| 03:48.59 | Tekkub | and the person who outbid you was willing to pay more, so at worst you give a slight downward skew to the price |
| 03:49.12 | Tekkub | which is certainly better than just scanning all the prices off the AH |
| 03:49.37 | Tekkub | actually, you can match it up exactly |
| 03:49.50 | Tekkub | cause you know how much money was bid and how much returned |
| 03:50.09 | Tekkub | unless you bid the exact same amount, on the exact same item, in different stack sizes |
| 03:50.14 | ZorbaTHut | which seems unlikely, yeah |
| 03:50.21 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 03:52.28 | ZorbaTHut | ugh I can't wait until I get this build system faster |
| 03:52.36 | ZorbaTHut | "Compiling 132/11733:" arrrrgh :( |
| 03:52.42 | Tekkub | oh yea I need to do my weekend builds |
| 03:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/01/02/9265754.aspx |
| 03:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains a LOT |
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| 04:22.32 | Shadowed | Anyone dealt with mass item swapping before? Wiki (and Itemrack) seem to indicate you need to delay it slightly by checking for lock, but I don't seem to have issues mass calling it at once |
| 04:23.02 | AnduinLothar | you dont have to delay unless you want to switch it back |
| 04:23.21 | AnduinLothar | such as when equipign a sword and board from a 2h |
| 04:24.14 | Shadowed | What do you mean by switch it back? |
| 04:24.20 | Shadowed | I |
| 04:24.28 | AnduinLothar | cant equip a shield with a 2h |
| 04:24.30 | Shadowed | oh |
| 04:24.39 | Shadowed | ahh I see what you mean |
| 04:24.43 | AnduinLothar | have to equip a 1h, wait then equip a shield |
| 04:24.53 | Shadowed | Aha, thanks |
| 04:25.43 | AnduinLothar | or when moving items to the bag and back |
| 04:25.50 | AnduinLothar | you can only do 1 opperation |
| 04:26.07 | AnduinLothar | so you either need to have logic to correct the orderign depending on the swaps desired |
| 04:26.09 | AnduinLothar | or wait |
| 04:27.01 | Shadowed | If you were say, unequipping 2 things from the character and placing it in the bag. You would have to delay that too I take it, or else you'd get the same bag/slot looking as free? |
| 04:27.28 | AnduinLothar | no that's fine |
| 04:27.43 | Shadowed | oh? |
| 04:27.59 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 04:28.04 | AnduinLothar | but the slots are locked, so you can't say move somehting to bag and then equip somthing to that slot int he same step unless you specifically use the swap api |
| 04:28.34 | AnduinLothar | go look at WearMe |
| 04:28.42 | Shadowed | ahh okay, guess I have to delay it anyway so might as well just check locks regardless |
| 04:28.43 | AnduinLothar | it has all the ordering logic |
| 04:28.43 | Shadowed | WoWI? |
| 04:29.03 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5496-WearMe.html |
| 04:29.35 | AnduinLothar | it's outdated, but the swap orderign logic should still be correct |
| 04:30.02 | Shadowed | will do, thanks |
| 04:30.19 | AnduinLothar | i think the caching system is broken, so i'm not sure it still works |
| 04:30.58 | AnduinLothar | a fixed version might be included int he Wardrobe that someone updated, btu i'm nto sure |
| 04:31.18 | Shadowed | Has some logic that I was forgetting like an item being in one slot and swapped to another anyway, so still useful even if it doesn't work! |
| 04:31.47 | AnduinLothar | yeah liek when you have 2 trinkets the trinkets can be in the wrong slot |
| 04:32.12 | AnduinLothar | so you have to modify the logic to be able to do it in 1 'step' withotu a wait |
| 04:32.28 | AnduinLothar | depending on where the items are |
| 04:33.25 | AnduinLothar | easier to program a wait |
| 04:34.02 | Shadowed | sure it'll be needed to handle some special cases like the stupid prismatic gems anyway |
| 04:34.14 | AnduinLothar | in order to be able to do the logic correctly to avoid a wait i had to develop the caching system that would remember where the items were in transit when the api would be wrong |
| 04:35.08 | AnduinLothar | you could do it withotu the caching by using a series on on-demand flags, btu you'd still have to hookt he same functions |
| 04:35.44 | AnduinLothar | the 3rd option being to examine where everything is at the start and then design the ordering on the fly |
| 04:35.55 | AnduinLothar | but that is less flexible |
| 04:36.19 | Shadowed | too bad you can't be sure they have 16 slots open, or you could just unequip it all |
| 04:36.38 | AnduinLothar | cant even do that, it'd require a wait every time |
| 04:36.51 | Shadowed | but you wouldn't have to worry about unique/prismatic gems, or different slots |
| 04:36.55 | AnduinLothar | true |
| 04:37.30 | AnduinLothar | easy to program would have pre-requisits |
| 04:37.43 | AnduinLothar | and the ultimate in flexability is a bitch to code |
| 04:38.44 | Shadowed | yea |
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| 04:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ? |
| 04:49.25 | kd3 | hm? |
| 04:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | X eating your memory? |
| 04:49.37 | kd3 | 29% of my 4ish gigs of ram |
| 04:49.41 | kd3 | that's a little much |
| 04:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 04:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That's broke |
| 04:49.49 | kd3 | ya. thus the restart |
| 04:49.53 | kd3 | it's fine now |
| 04:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | X is taking up 3.7% of my 3GB |
| 04:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | What video card are you running? |
| 04:50.18 | kd3 | now java's blowing x away in memory usage, as is right and proper |
| 04:50.22 | kd3 | 8600gt |
| 04:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | jha |
| 04:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | *ha |
| 04:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Right and proper indeed |
| 04:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's strange |
| 04:50.41 | kd3 | there's just a leak somewhere |
| 04:50.54 | Shirik | yey |
| 04:50.55 | kd3 | I'm not all that worried. it only happens if x's up for too long |
| 04:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird |
| 04:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I would expect gentoo to be more broke than fedora, seems that the opposite is the case |
| 04:53.22 | Shirik | Well I have a semi-working IRC-enabled blackberry now, yay |
| 04:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to mass CTCP spam Shirik|Berry |
| 04:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | DoS inc! |
| 04:53.52 | Shirik | Shirik|Berry already disconnected |
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| 04:54.02 | Shirik | that's why I said "semi" |
| 04:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That's depressing |
| 04:54.39 | ScytheBlade1 | All ports filtered :( |
| 04:55.01 | Shirik | it's a blackberry, wtf you expect |
| 04:55.05 | kd3 | bah. wru working ipod support |
| 04:55.07 | Shirik | I run webserver on it |
| 04:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Big gaping security holes |
| 04:55.43 | AnduinLothar | lulz ipod-sharp. awesome name |
| 04:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931 |
| 04:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That would have so much potential |
| 04:56.00 | Tekkub | *sigh* someone named their NE Toilet |
| 04:56.09 | Tekkub | some people's children |
| 04:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: lol |
| 04:57.47 | Tem|afk | goddamnit fuck this |
| 04:57.50 | Tem|afk | queues at 11pm? |
| 04:57.51 | Tem|afk | wtf |
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| 04:58.04 | AnduinLothar | i had 500 peeps in mine |
| 04:58.05 | kd3 | it's saturday? |
| 04:58.08 | Tekkub | uh, it's 3PM |
| 04:58.11 | Tekkub | the sun imploded |
| 04:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: open a port! |
| 04:58.22 | Shirik | I barely know how to turn it on right now |
| 04:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:58.26 | Shirik | how you expect me to open a port |
| 04:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
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| 05:02.53 | mikma | uuuuuuuuh |
| 05:02.56 | mikma | new MSBT |
| 05:03.38 | Shirik | I can't even figure out how to change the ring tone |
| 05:03.42 | Shirik | that's how bad this is |
| 05:03.52 | Shirik | and no I refuse to look at the manual |
| 05:04.08 | mikma | go girl |
| 05:04.11 | Tem|afk | mikma, what's new in the new MSBT? |
| 05:04.20 | mikma | tem: "Implemented a work around for Blizzard's cooldown bug with Death Knights and runes. Only abilities with actual cooldowns should now be shown." |
| 05:04.28 | mikma | tem: "Created a default suppression for Ferocious Inspiration to remove the spam it causes." |
| 05:04.29 | Tem | oh fuck yes |
| 05:04.36 | Tem | I'm so sick of that cooldown bug |
| 05:04.50 | Tem | well it doesn't matter anyway |
| 05:04.55 | mikma | this is also quite cool: Added overkill amount as an available condition to damage based triggers. |
| 05:04.59 | Tem | with all the kiddies on my server I Can't get in to play |
| 05:05.09 | Tem | I don't want to see overkil |
| 05:05.11 | Tem | kill* |
| 05:05.22 | mikma | you want to see BIG NUMBERS! BIG! |
| 05:05.30 | mikma | "Killing Blows should no longer be shown for Death Knight ghoul sacrifices." |
| 05:05.42 | mikma | "Tweaked internal merging and animation delays to help performance in heavy AoE situations." |
| 05:06.54 | Tem | screw it |
| 05:06.59 | Tem | I'm gonna to play 360 |
| 05:09.49 | Tekkub | MSBT still fails |
| 05:10.00 | ZorbaTHut | haha oh god |
| 05:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | just tried archavon |
| 05:10.09 | ZorbaTHut | guess how many people broke 1k DPS |
| 05:10.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'll give you a hint: it's zero :( |
| 05:10.16 | Tekkub | it's config panels are nearly the perfect size to fit in the default config UI |
| 05:10.19 | Stanzilla | what |
| 05:10.24 | Tekkub | but now.. we get... a button |
| 05:10.36 | Tekkub | every time I see that button I want to stab someone |
| 05:10.40 | ZorbaTHut | I should not be 100dps away from #1 as an undergeared prot warrior offtank |
| 05:12.10 | AnduinLothar | Anyone know of a site like maxdps.com that works for prot? |
| 05:12.49 | AnduinLothar | or at least to categorize the loot options by order of usefulness |
| 05:13.06 | AnduinLothar | or Rawr |
| 05:13.21 | mikma | tekkub: most likely he has spent a *long* time for the gui and doesn't want to abandon it ;D |
| 05:13.35 | Tekkub | still sucks :P |
| 05:13.38 | AnduinLothar | or a protadin spreadsheet for loot |
| 05:14.13 | AnduinLothar | mmm i guess Rawr does have a Tankadin module, btu i hear it's meh |
| 05:15.09 | Thunder_Child | great....odo has a walk on role in avatar |
| 05:15.20 | Shirik | rawr? |
| 05:15.27 | Shirik | Isn't that the app that adds sounds to /roar ? |
| 05:15.56 | AnduinLothar | no, rawr is a theorycrafting itemization maximizer |
| 05:16.07 | AnduinLothar | there IS a tek rawr addon tho |
| 05:16.14 | AnduinLothar | which is completely different |
| 05:16.29 | Tekkub | yea odo shows up a few times |
| 05:17.01 | Tekkub | and yes, the rawr addon that doesn't have anything to do with roaring needs a new name |
| 05:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: maintankadin.com iirc |
| 05:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Or something to that effect |
| 05:17.12 | Tekkub | Mauler would be better |
| 05:17.35 | ZorbaTHut | http://img.waffleimages.com/e58ff4a383f307c46e355a78e7bed5b6b80f1582/archafail.png :( |
| 05:17.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: NAMES |
| 05:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Need to ridicule people |
| 05:18.09 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.14 | |pez| | I should get myself one of those damagemeters. |
| 05:18.15 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: I was close! |
| 05:18.24 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, there's not a lot of reason to, they ridicule themselves merely by existing |
| 05:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:19.59 | ZorbaTHut | pez, they're handy, both so you can ridicule people and so you can dissect what went wrong/who's a slacker/where your damage is coming from |
| 05:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: how much transfer/month do you have with that blackberry? |
| 05:25.31 | Shirik | I have it attached to my wireless card's account, so I believe 5GB/mo before I pay |
| 05:26.04 | Shirik | to the open port? |
| 05:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't need a port to send data |
| 05:26.29 | Shirik | I doubt it charges me if it doesn't actually get to me |
| 05:26.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It gets to you, your phone just does nothing with it |
| 05:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | How's that for a creepy thought? :P |
| 05:26.58 | Shirik | The question is really where the filter is |
| 05:27.02 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, can i have gigs of data? |
| 05:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: sure. IP? |
| 05:27.09 | Shirik | if it's at verizon's headquarters, I doubt I get charged for it |
| 05:27.26 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1....uhhh...errr....what data? |
| 05:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | random |
| 05:28.04 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, nvm i have already mostly filled up my 2TB :( pass |
| 05:28.17 | Tekkub | ah I love stupid people... |
| 05:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: fooled me |
| 05:28.35 | Tekkub | "I want to do (comlex thing) because something doesn't work"... |
| 05:28.56 | Tekkub | "Well if you do (simple solution) it will just work and you won't need to do that" |
| 05:29.18 | Tekkub | "Oh great it works, but I still want to do (complicated now unnecessary thing) anyway" |
| 05:29.24 | Tekkub | ... 3 days later |
| 05:29.36 | Tekkub | "I totally fucked this up and now nothing works, help me!" |
| 05:29.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:37.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm, no gear scale there |
| 05:37.53 | AnduinLothar | need something that will farm wowhead rly |
| 05:38.31 | AnduinLothar | is there a way to weight stats with wowhead filtering? |
| 05:38.35 | AnduinLothar | for ranking? |
| 05:38.38 | AnduinLothar | that'd be nifty |
| 05:38.53 | ScytheBlade1 | wowhead has weights and filters! |
| 05:39.07 | AnduinLothar | has filters, haven't figured out how weights work |
| 05:39.30 | AnduinLothar | or even how to make them |
| 05:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.4&filter=qu=4;ub=2;cr=16:42;crs=3456:1;crv=0:0;wt=22:42;wtv=20:10 |
| 05:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I have zero ideas as to how a protadin gears but |
| 05:41.30 | AnduinLothar | oh lol , blind i guess |
| 05:41.40 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 05:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 05:41.46 | Tekkub | http://gear-wishlist.appspot.com/ is neat |
| 05:41.49 | Tekkub | you might like it |
| 05:42.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Gngsk (n=Gngsk@c-69-138-214-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 05:42.51 | AnduinLothar | oh wow |
| 05:42.55 | AnduinLothar | ya that's hawt |
| 05:44.16 | AnduinLothar | lol it has top plate dps chest as a blue |
| 05:44.42 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37722 |
| 05:44.50 | AnduinLothar | equivelent to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39767 ? |
| 05:45.15 | AnduinLothar | and it's prolly right, which is even scaryer |
| 05:47.40 | Tekkub | yea it uses wowheads default weights, and gives you like the percent stat diff |
| 05:48.11 | Tekkub | I just wish I could pick the spec, pally's ret now, but will be prot at 80, want to see my options |
| 05:48.12 | AnduinLothar | doesn't fill sockets? |
| 05:48.38 | AnduinLothar | http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp is pretty hawt too |
| 05:48.47 | Tekkub | not unless head factors them into the ranks |
| 05:49.09 | Tekkub | rlol I killed bambi and his stupid friends |
| 05:49.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao` (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-48-121.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:49.16 | AnduinLothar | doesn't look liek it |
| 05:49.22 | AnduinLothar | that makes it fairly useless |
| 05:49.37 | AnduinLothar | excpet for slots that cant be gemmed |
| 05:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Too bad your rawr modules sucks |
| 05:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The mage one is straight up amazing |
| 05:50.03 | Tekkub | that site can pull form lootrank, if they have numbers you like better |
| 05:50.07 | AnduinLothar | the ret one worked pretty well, used it in BC |
| 05:50.16 | AnduinLothar | rawr |
| 05:50.27 | AnduinLothar | i haven't played with the prot one yet |
| 05:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | might be worth looking into then |
| 05:50.47 | AnduinLothar | but i prefer web based anyway cause i dont like having to use a windows app |
| 05:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:52.07 | AnduinLothar | i like maxdps's item rankings but it doesn't have a prot one |
| 05:53.40 | Tekkub | http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20090104 |
| 05:55.22 | Shirik | nice blank page there Tekkub |
| 05:55.31 | Tekkub | works for me |
| 05:55.44 | Tekkub | l2internet |
| 05:56.03 | Zyndrome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i01v_1-zO0k |
| 05:56.47 | mikma | works fine here too |
| 05:57.08 | Tekkub | we have to confiscate your modem Shirik |
| 05:57.30 | Shirik | my modem is not my only source of internets now! |
| 05:59.23 | Tekkub | you know what we should get blue to do |
| 05:59.29 | Tekkub | add the WG timer to it's map |
| 05:59.44 | Tekkub | +/- a few minutes if need be |
| 05:59.47 | AnduinLothar | gear-wishlist.appspot.com doesn't seem to work with lootrank |
| 05:59.58 | AnduinLothar | tho lootrank does include gemming ranks |
| 06:00.02 | AnduinLothar | gemmed* |
| 06:01.00 | mikma | tekkub: why are you talking about pvp? |
| 06:01.22 | Tekkub | cause I'm bored waiting for people to do their shit so I can play |
| 06:01.39 | Tekkub | "oh my guild leader need pots, but she won't fucking come to me, brb" |
| 06:01.47 | mikma | you can't be *THAT* bored. you.. pvp... |
| 06:01.48 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, just had a serious last-second WG win |
| 06:02.09 | ZorbaTHut | Horde broke into the orb room with 15 seconds to go, we managed to hold them off just long enough. it was awesome. |
| 06:02.18 | Tekkub | nah I did a lil WG, it's amusing but, as we determined last night, pointless |
| 06:02.18 | ZorbaTHut | when defending, the close ones are the best ones. |
| 06:02.43 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12094-Stalker.html |
| 06:03.27 | mikma | tekkub: yeah well 3.0.8 will make it little better, since people can get honor from the marks and there will be new vehicles(?) |
| 06:03.31 | Tekkub | I DESCRIBE MY ADDONS IN BIG BOLD TEXT BECAUSE MY USERS ARE TOO DUMB TO READ THEM OTHERWISE |
| 06:03.45 | Thunder_Child | stop shouting dumbass |
| 06:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 06:03.58 | Tekkub | mikma, no I mean, I would only want to do WG on my hunter, and I don't want to play my hunter |
| 06:04.24 | mikma | tekkub: ignore the two tards with long nick ^--- |
| 06:04.50 | Tekkub | always do |
| 06:05.08 | Tekkub | TC's just mad cause he doesn't know how to wash his foxtailplug |
| 06:05.10 | Thunder_Child | in your mouth Tekkub |
| 06:05.39 | mikma | poor poor TG |
| 06:05.46 | mikma | dont make it so dirty |
| 06:05.48 | AnduinLothar | ooo lootrank has enchant rankings too, win |
| 06:05.50 | Thunder_Child | fail mikma |
| 06:05.59 | Thunder_Child | TG != TC |
| 06:06.41 | mikma | s/TG/TC/ |
| 06:06.57 | AnduinLothar | it can pull your gear from the armory too, win |
| 06:08.19 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...why is my geography class about "variables and processes that result in global-to-local climate and weather patterns" |
| 06:08.33 | Thunder_Child | i have not taken fluid dynamics yet! |
| 06:08.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Cheatcakes (n=sfad@67-43-245-131-cablemodem-roll.fidnet.com) |
| 06:08.45 | Tekkub | because they don't' use math |
| 06:08.49 | Tekkub | it's all about ideas? |
| 06:08.56 | Cheatcakes | are there any left/right arrow button templates? |
| 06:08.56 | Thunder_Child | well that seems pointless |
| 06:09.03 | Tekkub | also, fluid dynamics FTW! |
| 06:09.11 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 06:09.16 | Tekkub | you tried to throw math at weather, it just doesn't work |
| 06:09.26 | Tekkub | you're forced down into statistics |
| 06:09.34 | Tekkub | and everyone know stats ain't real math |
| 06:09.39 | Thunder_Child | stats however is not fun |
| 06:09.56 | p3lim | anyone know how much rep there is from the quests with Knights of the Ebon Blade in total? (excluding dailies) |
| 06:11.55 | Shirik | This is sad |
| 06:12.04 | Shirik | Applications used, in order of most frequently used: |
| 06:12.11 | Shirik | mIRC, WoW (those two I expected) |
| 06:12.18 | Shirik | immediately followed by: command prompt, notepad |
| 06:12.31 | Thunder_Child | sounds resonable |
| 06:12.31 | Tekkub | WHAT |
| 06:12.36 | Tekkub | you're banned! |
| 06:12.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, what/where gives that kind of list? |
| 06:12.52 | Tekkub | 2 of these things do not belong... |
| 06:12.56 | mikma | anone knows the exact weight of earth? |
| 06:13.02 | Shirik | Vista, MFU list |
| 06:13.08 | Cheatcakes | no |
| 06:13.18 | Shirik | mikma: define "weight" |
| 06:13.22 | Thunder_Child | Mass: 5.9736×1024 KG |
| 06:13.26 | mikma | shirik: yo mamma |
| 06:13.28 | Shirik | the official definition of weight is related to gravity |
| 06:13.30 | Shirik | meaning that hte "weight" of the earth has little meaning |
| 06:13.35 | Shirik | mass != weight |
| 06:13.51 | Thunder_Child | not when it corralates with gravity |
| 06:14.00 | Shirik | mass != weight, ever |
| 06:14.08 | Shirik | However, mass is most likely what mikma wanted |
| 06:14.11 | *** join/#wowuidev d87 (n=x@host89-251-107-29.hnet.ru) |
| 06:14.22 | Tekkub | no he wanted weight |
| 06:14.31 | Shirik | If you go to the moon, your weight changes. Your mass, however, does not |
| 06:14.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: at best, mass and weight are directly proportional when gravity is a constant |
| 06:14.47 | Tekkub | Shirik, the middle school science teacher |
| 06:14.53 | mikma | anyone knows how many yo mammas are in earth? |
| 06:14.59 | Thunder_Child | no, i mean cant you use mass to calculate the weight in a given gravity? |
| 06:15.03 | Cheatcakes | weight = force due to gravity = mass * 9.81 m/s |
| 06:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 06:15.14 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Given the force of gravity, yes |
| 06:15.20 | NightHawkTheSane | weight is a force, so F = ma |
| 06:15.28 | Shirik | s/force/acceleration due to/ |
| 06:15.32 | NightHawkTheSane | welcome to high school physics. :p |
| 06:15.38 | Thunder_Child | there you go then, use the mass i gave and figure out the effect of the suns gravitational field at 1A.U. |
| 06:15.49 | Shirik | no |
| 06:16.02 | Shirik | well |
| 06:16.06 | Shirik | force is easy |
| 06:16.11 | Tekkub | I love how conversations get started by people that don't really want an answer |
| 06:16.18 | Tekkub | and you people just fucking run with it |
| 06:16.19 | Shirik | F = Gm1m2/(d1d2) |
| 06:16.24 | Shirik | why do I remember that |
| 06:16.36 | Thunder_Child | nerds can take any troll and make it something else, thereby defeating said troll |
| 06:16.38 | Cheatcakes | me too, so... are there any left/right arrow button templates? |
| 06:16.40 | Shirik | wait I think that's squared |
| 06:17.25 | Thunder_Child | Cheatcakes, take an up/down button and rotate it? |
| 06:17.36 | Tekkub | this is what I think of you peoples |
| 06:17.36 | Tekkub | http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/computer_programming_101.JPG |
| 06:17.41 | Cheatcakes | :O wasn't sure if I could do that... |
| 06:18.03 | Cheatcakes | Thunder_Child: how do I do that? |
| 06:18.05 | Thunder_Child | GigaElectronVolt |
| 06:18.20 | Thunder_Child | Cheatcakes, i dunno, have you looked at wowwiki? |
| 06:18.21 | Shirik | hehehehe |
| 06:18.25 | Shirik | Tekkub, so true |
| 06:18.43 | Shirik | that occasionally happens in my Java classes |
| 06:18.59 | Shirik | I eventually end up closing it with a "you really don't want to know this" |
| 06:19.02 | Cheatcakes | where would I look? |
| 06:19.03 | Thunder_Child | electroweak symetry breaks in you java class? |
| 06:19.04 | mikma | ~wowuidev |
| 06:19.14 | Shirik | no, but we occasionally talk about things way beyond them |
| 06:19.14 | Thunder_Child | s/you/your/ |
| 06:19.27 | mikma | purl: wowuidev is http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/computer_programming_101.JPG |
| 06:19.28 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 06:20.59 | Thunder_Child | Cheatcakes, there are many people that can help you around here, i sadly am not really one of them |
| 06:21.14 | Cheatcakes | awesome |
| 06:21.28 | Cheatcakes | well... except for the "you not being one of them" part |
| 06:21.38 | Thunder_Child | no no, that was fine |
| 06:21.43 | Cheatcakes | :) |
| 06:21.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Takeloot (n=chatzill@cpe-65-189-32-93.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 06:21.51 | Cheatcakes | alright, so, does anyone know how to rotate a button? |
| 06:21.53 | mikma | let tc have his moment |
| 06:22.03 | mikma | before its ruined forever |
| 06:22.13 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, http://abstrusegoose.com/4 |
| 06:22.21 | Thunder_Child | mikma, i have a moment? |
| 06:22.38 | mikma | thunder_child: yes, you did, a moment. |
| 06:22.41 | Takeloot | why is my question list not loading again? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105517-2elz |
| 06:25.15 | Tekkub | http://abstrusegoose.com/93 |
| 06:27.04 | Thunder_Child | i'm a gettin there Tekkub, stop pusshing |
| 06:27.04 | Thunder_Child | pushing |
| 06:27.08 | mikma | takeloot: define loading |
| 06:27.23 | Takeloot | triviabot won't recognize it within World of Warcraft |
| 06:27.27 | Cheatcakes | anyone know how to create a left/right button using the up/down button templates? |
| 06:27.29 | Thunder_Child | i simply had to post some of these for a particle physicist friend of mine |
| 06:28.36 | mikma | cheatcakes: get the wow code and search through it? |
| 06:28.55 | Takeloot | i don't think i did anything wrong either, i simply took the pre-set, changed the field for question and answer and changed the numbers near question, category, answer, points, and hints. |
| 06:29.29 | Takeloot | should i not use apostrophes? |
| 06:29.50 | mikma | takeloot: you trying to load those from another addon or from the trivia-shit? |
| 06:30.14 | Takeloot | im trying to load it as a set question list, using triviabot as the program to read the questions |
| 06:30.21 | Cheatcakes | mikma: I suppose I gotta find something that uses it first |
| 06:30.55 | mikma | cheatcakes: what is the job you plan on putting the buttons to do? |
| 06:31.11 | Takeloot | well shit i found one thing i missed |
| 06:31.56 | Takeloot | but should i use ' in questions, or will it screw up the code? |
| 06:32.08 | Shirik | you can do \' |
| 06:32.38 | Takeloot | and that will appear as a simple apostrophe? |
| 06:32.43 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:32.47 | Shirik | or \" will appear as " |
| 06:32.51 | Shirik | or \\ will appear as \ |
| 06:33.00 | Takeloot | so if im typing: The cat\'s apple |
| 06:33.08 | Cheatcakes | mikma: preview a few textures |
| 06:33.09 | Shirik | lua> return "The cat\'s apple" |
| 06:33.09 | lua_bot | Shirik: The cat's apple |
| 06:33.23 | Takeloot | alright ill change all of those... |
| 06:33.37 | Shirik | that's not really your problem |
| 06:33.45 | Shirik | Line 175 is your problem, as indicated by the syntax higlighter |
| 06:33.50 | mikma | cheatcakes: well example characterframe has rotate left/right buttons |
| 06:33.55 | Shirik | You really should be using a program that syntax highlights to assist you |
| 06:34.09 | Cheatcakes | mikma: alright I'll take a look, thanks |
| 06:34.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@64.193.93.197) |
| 06:34.15 | Takeloot | im using PSPad |
| 06:34.59 | Tekkub | this comic is pure win |
| 06:34.59 | Tekkub | http://abstrusegoose.com/81 |
| 06:35.03 | Shirik | then you should have seen the unterminated string on 175 |
| 06:35.08 | Tekkub | almost makes me want to try python |
| 06:35.10 | Tekkub | almost |
| 06:35.16 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:35.17 | Shirik | Tekkub |
| 06:35.21 | Takeloot | PSPad isnt really showing me much more than the source code |
| 06:35.23 | Mike-N-Go | Wasn't there a time where an addon could overwrite a default blizzard xml/lua file? |
| 06:35.30 | mikma | tekkub: try your own python |
| 06:35.33 | Shirik | yes Mike-N-Go |
| 06:35.35 | Shirik | not anymore |
| 06:35.46 | Thunder_Child | *Snicker* |
| 06:35.47 | Thunder_Child | http://abstrusegoose.com/24 |
| 06:35.52 | Mike-N-Go | They removed it because there were too many conflicts, right? |
| 06:35.54 | Shirik | it caused very bad things |
| 06:35.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:36.09 | Mike-N-Go | Awh, but it had so much potential =] |
| 06:36.22 | mikma | pooptential |
| 06:36.39 | Shirik | I don't get it, TC |
| 06:38.43 | Thunder_Child | Browncaots is a nation wide group of people that are firefly enthusists |
| 06:38.43 | mikma | mike-n-go: why is one of your addons typed "secetary"? |
| 06:38.59 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: I am a poor speller. I'll have to fix that. |
| 06:39.08 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: What one? |
| 06:39.11 | Takeloot | alright, i went through and made all the ' into /' that were in questions |
| 06:39.16 | Thunder_Child | s/browncaots/Shirik, Browncoats/ |
| 06:39.27 | Takeloot | and i corrected the syntax on two lines |
| 06:39.29 | Thunder_Child | boo caps |
| 06:39.31 | Takeloot | so i hope it will work |
| 06:39.35 | mikma | mike-n-go: trade or so, the folder and file are wrong but the inhame name is fine |
| 06:39.47 | Takeloot | keep in mind, i am completely new to this -_- |
| 06:39.54 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, goram is a swearword on firefly |
| 06:39.58 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Thanks for noticing. I'll put that on my todos. |
| 06:39.58 | Thunder_Child | swear word* |
| 06:40.22 | Shirik | firefly? |
| 06:40.28 | Thunder_Child | ~firefly |
| 06:40.29 | purl | rumour has it, firefly is http://virbiage.com/firefly/download/firefly-thirdparty.exe |
| 06:40.32 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 06:40.40 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Also.. spelling check is not enabled when naming files.. ? |
| 06:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: hah, that strip is amusing |
| 06:40.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, did you see Serenity? |
| 06:40.57 | Shirik | probably not |
| 06:41.00 | Shirik | I don't watch movies |
| 06:41.04 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 06:41.12 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki firefly |
| 06:41.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series) |
| 06:42.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, watch it, rather good, though only 14 shows long or so |
| 06:42.24 | mikma | oh lord |
| 06:43.06 | mikma | horrible show |
| 06:43.16 | Thunder_Child | ~die mikma |
| 06:43.17 | purl | ACTION murders mikma, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
| 06:44.19 | mikma | noooooooo wait, i mixed it to some other show |
| 06:44.23 | mikma | lololoooooo |
| 06:44.27 | mikma | huge mistake |
| 06:44.45 | Thunder_Child | damn right |
| 06:45.51 | Thunder_Child | http://abstrusegoose.com/39 |
| 06:46.18 | Shirik | "die mikma" |
| 06:46.23 | Shirik | die is not a verb |
| 06:46.35 | Thunder_Child | worked didnt it? |
| 06:46.50 | mikma | mike-n-go: http://mikma.pastey.net/105519 |
| 06:46.50 | Shirik | actually, die is a verb |
| 06:46.58 | Shirik | but you can't direct it at someone! |
| 06:47.09 | Thunder_Child | "22:47.44      Thunder_Child: worked didnt it?" |
| 06:47.11 | Shirik | Is there a term for that? |
| 06:47.20 | Shirik | Yes, but you killed purl too :( |
| 06:47.26 | mikma | ~fail thunder_child |
| 06:47.26 | purl | You suck at everything in life, thunder_child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 06:47.36 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Thanks again. |
| 06:47.37 | mikma | fail is the word for it |
| 06:47.46 | Thunder_Child | it's not my fault someone formated ~die wrong |
| 06:48.21 | mikma | mike-n-go: also rip that __MACOSX folder out =) |
| 06:48.46 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: What folder? And what harm is it? |
| 06:49.02 | Mike-N-Go | .DS_Store? |
| 06:49.12 | mikma | its a folder osx adds there, stores you foldersettings in it |
| 06:49.20 | mikma | or so |
| 06:49.54 | mikma | just use -x __MACOSX or so with zip (exclude) |
| 06:50.31 | Mike-N-Go | What problem is this folder? |
| 06:50.32 | mikma | i hate osx for doing .DS_Store and __MACOSX =/ |
| 06:50.44 | Mike-N-Go | And I see no _MACOSX |
| 06:50.50 | mikma | its annoying little fucker, thats the problem |
| 06:51.00 | mikma | mike-n-go: ls -la shows it |
| 06:51.18 | mikma | its there, trust me. osx wont show it in GUI |
| 06:51.50 | Cheatcakes | to make a texture invisible, I just change the alpha to zero right? |
| 06:51.54 | Shirik | I've gone back and forth between denying downloads with resource forks or __MACOSX in them |
| 06:52.01 | Shirik | I haven't done it yet, but I've considered it |
| 06:52.19 | Shirik | resource forks really piss off windows |
| 06:52.44 | mikma | shirik: how many addons with .svn are uploaded? =D |
| 06:52.49 | Shirik | I deny those :) |
| 06:52.49 | mikma | or .git |
| 06:53.07 | mikma | apparently there are then =D |
| 06:53.12 | Shirik | yes :P |
| 06:53.18 | Shirik | generally from Ace |
| 06:53.22 | mikma | thanks for that |
| 06:53.35 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: What folder did you find _MACOSX in? |
| 06:53.44 | Tewan | anyone have experience in the Warcraft III World Editor? |
| 06:53.45 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: On Mac, by default, it will be invisible I think |
| 06:53.52 | Shirik | I don't know how to make it visible |
| 06:53.59 | mikma | you cant |
| 06:54.02 | Mike-N-Go | I have invisibles set to show. |
| 06:54.05 | mikma | its builtin the system |
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| 06:54.40 | mikma | mike-n-go: system manages it. you cant get rid of it. you delete it, it comes back. |
| 06:55.32 | mikma | just use exclude in zip |
| 06:55.46 | Mike-N-Go | I do not see a _MACOSX folder when I do ls -la on one of my addon's folder after I cd to it. |
| 06:56.20 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, or is it in a hidden folder in the folder? |
| 06:57.28 | mikma | mike-n-go: zip -r tswc.zip TradeSecetaryWhoCrafts -x __MACOSX |
| 06:57.35 | mikma | that will do the trick |
| 06:58.08 | Mike-N-Go | How do I set zip to exclude hidden folders by default? |
| 06:58.50 | Mike-N-Go | Does that command zip it up once; do I have to run it each time I zip it up? |
| 06:59.10 | Mike-N-Go | Or does it set a preference for the folder? |
| 06:59.23 | mikma | mike-n-go: look at this again http://mikma.pastey.net/105519 |
| 06:59.36 | mikma | you see it extracts two folders |
| 07:00.07 | mikma | TradeSecetaryWhoCrafts and __MACOSX |
| 07:01.16 | mikma | just get your addybot from wowi and extract it in shell |
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| 07:02.19 | Mike-N-Go | I see the _MACOSX folder when I unzip from the command line, but not from Expander? |
| 07:02.21 | mikma | addybot, wtf? |
| 07:02.32 | mikma | mike-n-go: spell it with me |
| 07:02.43 | mikma | IN-VI-SIBLE SYSTEM FOLDER |
| 07:03.07 | Mike-N-Go | But it is visible now? Why can I see it now? |
| 07:03.19 | mikma | because shell rules |
| 07:03.33 | mikma | shell has way to show all files and folders |
| 07:04.04 | Mike-N-Go | Not that, I mean I also see it in the folder I unziped to. |
| 07:04.37 | mikma | well, the system didnt create it in the dir you ectracted it |
| 07:05.31 | mikma | http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=__MACOSX&btnG=Google-haku&meta=&aq=f&oq= |
| 07:05.46 | mikma | sorry bout finnish gogole |
| 07:05.55 | Shirik | ok night all |
| 07:06.03 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Cya |
| 07:06.30 | Mike-N-Go | Alright, these folders are not always healthy for all platforms. So the best thing to do is have the zip up ignore invisibles, right? |
| 07:06.33 | Codayus | OS X stores meta data in "resource forks" supported by the HPFS file system. It has some very very clever hacks to automagically split the resource forks into hidden files when copying to a non-HPFS file system, and merge them back when needed. |
| 07:07.07 | Codayus | BlueHarvest is a nifty app for trying to bring some sanity to the process. |
| 07:07.54 | Mike-N-Go | That was my next question, Codayus, how to easily ignore hidden files. |
| 07:08.38 | mikma | by zipping in the shell |
| 07:08.48 | mikma | mike-n-go: zip -r tswc.zip TradeSecetaryWhoCrafts -x __MACOSX |
| 07:09.09 | mikma | also, .DS_Store in zips are bad, mmaky |
| 07:10.22 | |Jelly| | Anyone know if it's possible to get the WoW UI Designer back to WYSIWYG after you've, for instance, copy pasta'd and reloaded? |
| 07:10.24 | Mike-N-Go | How do you recommend I dispose of those? |
| 07:11.08 | mikma | mike-n-go: god damnit boy, i have told you twice already |
| 07:15.16 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: feh, .DS_Store does nothing harmful outside osx. :p |
| 07:15.42 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: then why in the hell should they be in the .zip's? |
| 07:15.54 | Codayus | Why should thumbs.db be in zips? |
| 07:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 07:16.05 | mikma | thwy shouldnt |
| 07:16.05 | Codayus | *shrug* Worthless clutter. |
| 07:16.14 | Codayus | But they do. All the time. |
| 07:16.29 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: point is, sometimes people are lazy, but meh, its just clutter and little more. Saying it's bad is kind misleading |
| 07:16.59 | Thunder_Child | 10^2+11^2+12^2=13^2+14^2 |
| 07:17.50 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: <0850> <mikma> its annoying little fucker, thats the problem |
| 07:18.04 | mikma | copypasted my comment about it |
| 07:18.56 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 07:18.58 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: I apologize I now appear stupid for asking questions google is easily able to find. |
| 07:19.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think it's a problem :p |
| 07:19.09 | mikma | imho, if you take time writing something you will share, also take a moment to zip it up nicely too |
| 07:19.42 | Codayus | The argument runs that if you zip something, then unzip it, you should get EXACTLY the original back. Resource forks are required for this. |
| 07:20.01 | mikma | and that leads to what shirik said! |
| 07:20.22 | Mike-N-Go | First time for me to learn this about zip. |
| 07:20.40 | mikma | <0851> <@Shirik> I've gone back and forth between denying downloads with resource forks or __MACOSX in them |
| 07:21.02 | AnduinLothar | CleanArchiver imo |
| 07:21.16 | mikma | shell zip imo! |
| 07:21.23 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly, if there wasn't an easy way to avoid the problem on my end, i'd say fuck it. It's not worth any hassle on my end for me to do solve your OS's inability to handle it properly |
| 07:21.26 | mikma | 'zip -r archive.zip myaddonfolder -x .DS_Dtore __MACOSX' |
| 07:21.35 | mikma | and you are ready to poop |
| 07:21.45 | NightHawkTheSane | that probably could have been phrased better, i should go to sleep ... |
| 07:21.46 | AnduinLothar | CleanArchiver... drag... drop... gg |
| 07:22.01 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: yeah, i use that. if it wasn't that simple, i wouldn't bother at all |
| 07:22.36 | Codayus | Fun fact - removing the resource fork for some files destroys the data, or renders them unsusable. That was fun to find out. :-) |
| 07:22.55 | mikma | ouch |
| 07:23.08 | NightHawkTheSane | anything like that's probably programmed poorly |
| 07:23.28 | mikma | i gotta agree with nighthawkthesane |
| 07:23.34 | NightHawkTheSane | barring executables, to be sure |
| 07:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | although i think these days, even osx executables generally don't use the resource fork too much |
| 07:24.43 | Codayus | One example I ran across was an old copy of Final Cut Pro, which recognized project files based on a code in the resource fork. |
| 07:25.20 | mikma | old like 10.0 osx old? |
| 07:25.36 | Syzgyn | Whats an up-to-date viewport texture mod? |
| 07:25.38 | Codayus | Lose the resource fork and it won't open any projects. That design choice was, AFAIK, perfectly legit, followed existing guidelines, and not obviously stupid, since it's fairly hard to lose a resource fork. |
| 07:26.08 | Codayus | Hm, Final Cut Pro HD 4.5 |
| 07:26.16 | |Jelly| | Is there ... a limit to the number of buttons a single frame can have on it? |
| 07:26.53 | mikma | syzgyn: UiParent:SetHeight(UiPaent:GetHeight()-200) |
| 07:27.01 | Codayus | released....2004 |
| 07:27.33 | Syzgyn | mikma: I mean one that can put a texture there, rather than shrink the actual viewport |
| 07:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | http://mcsweeneys.net/links/monologues/6oregontrail.html |
| 07:27.42 | mikma | codayus: 10.2? |
| 07:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | and with that, i'm out. night folks. |
| 07:28.07 | Codayus | Search me. AFAIK FCP development doesn't run in sync with OS X development. |
| 07:28.32 | Codayus | We're running it on 10.4. |
| 07:29.40 | Tekkub | I love the werelumberjacks in grizz hills |
| 07:29.52 | Tekkub | they're cute in both forms, and so dumb |
| 07:30.13 | Tekkub | stand there shooting at you, you get em down to low health, they go all furry... and keep shooting at you |
| 07:30.23 | Mike-N-Go | I ponder, is there a post on wowinterface.com about uploading zips in this manner. |
| 07:30.35 | mikma | syzgyn: http://www.wowinterface.com, click searchbox in top corner, type: viewport , then unselect title and select descriptionä then click "Go" |
| 07:31.23 | Syzgyn | You've been more than helpful. Thanks.. |
| 07:32.47 | mikma | no problem! wishes your friend: captain obvious. |
| 07:34.03 | Syzgyn | I had already done that, and was just curious what people were using now a days |
| 07:40.00 | mikma | imho industrial would get a goos avatar from this http://img200.exs.cx/img200/8940/obvious3bq.gif |
| 07:40.19 | mikma | just crop it to the capn O |
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| 09:43.20 | ZorbaTHut | I am having incredible drop luck |
| 09:43.31 | ZorbaTHut | 25 badges of justice so far, and not a single on-spec drop for me |
| 09:43.41 | ZorbaTHut | (one offspec weapon. woo.) |
| 09:43.47 | selckin | slack. |
| 09:43.57 | Wobin | :O |
| 09:43.58 | Wobin | http://www.hoodthong.com/ |
| 09:43.59 | selckin | real men have over 500 badges |
| 09:44.02 | Wobin | I... have no words |
| 09:44.29 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, that's amazing. like, in a strictly literal sense. I am amazed. |
| 09:44.52 | selckin | Wobin: is it me or does the shadow not match her legs? |
| 09:45.04 | selckin | photoshop imo |
| 09:45.11 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the shadow looks photoshopped |
| 09:45.15 | Wobin | I think the wall curves up behind her |
| 09:45.27 | Wobin | And there are two light sources |
| 09:45.44 | selckin | obviously |
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| 10:45.33 | Tekkub | http://abstrusegoose.com/68 |
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| 12:17.16 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen Dainton |
| 12:17.17 | purl | dainton <n=Dainton@pool-71-105-37-79.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 479d 18h 54m 25s ago, saying: 'Anyone know?'. |
| 12:18.59 | Mike-N-Go | Hum.. I wonder when he will be back? |
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| 12:26.31 | Kleskmaster | hi, i've got a question about retrieving the ItemName. I have installed the german client and downloaded english language pack. I play with the english version now, but I want to get the itemName in german to use it in our guilds DKP System. Is there a way to access the german game files to get the german Item name? |
| 12:28.04 | Mike-N-Go | Get the item name via an addon/script? |
| 12:28.38 | Mike-N-Go | What mod are you using? |
| 12:28.38 | Mike-N-Go | Are you an author, or just a user? |
| 12:29.37 | Kleskmaster | Atm i use NRT to track raids, and i want to modify the XML output of NRT to display the german ItemName (atm it uses getItemInfo() but that only gives me the english name) |
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| 12:31.51 | nevcairiel | What happens if you :HookScript on a frame, and said script is replaced? |
| 12:32.43 | Wobin | The universe divides by zero and implodes? |
| 12:33.18 | nevcairiel | apparently the hook is removed |
| 12:34.00 | Wobin | night all |
| 12:34.05 | Kleskmaster | gn8 |
| 12:34.31 | Kleskmaster | well I guess there is no Library like LibBabble for ItemNames out there? :) |
| 12:35.06 | nevcairiel | you can get item names from the ingame API |
| 12:35.34 | nevcairiel | only for your game locale, though. |
| 12:35.42 | Kleskmaster | and thats the prob :) |
| 12:35.42 | nevcairiel | not like libbabble works any different, that is |
| 12:35.55 | nevcairiel | it only gives you stuff between english<->yourlocale |
| 12:36.17 | Kleskmaster | I use german client with english language pack and i want to get german itemname while playing in english ^^ |
| 12:36.26 | nevcairiel | impossible |
| 12:36.30 | Kleskmaster | :/ |
| 12:36.39 | nevcairiel | unless you really find a big table of item id to name lookups |
| 12:36.45 | Kleskmaster | why do i always come up with "impossible" ideas -.- |
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| 12:56.22 | cbreak | why do you need the name kles? |
| 12:56.47 | cbreak | any reasonable dkp system works with item IDs. |
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| 12:58.18 | nevcairiel | even the unreasonable ones like EQDKP-Plus do |
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| 13:09.34 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/03/funny-pictures-there-nothing-in-there/ |
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| 13:14.47 | Fisker- | What's reasonable then nevcairiel? :P |
| 13:15.57 | ReAn | http://kotaku.com/5119944/worldscom-files-suit-against-ncsoft-+-every-other-mmo-company-to-follow |
| 13:17.15 | nevcairiel | thats why software patents need to die |
| 13:17.29 | nevcairiel | its a very generic patent that every half-smart dev would think up |
| 13:18.04 | nevcairiel | at least EU never allowed software patents |
| 13:21.28 | nevcairiel | thats like patenting boiling water |
| 13:21.44 | Kleskmaster | I want to get teh german ItemName, because when I give EQDKP the RaidTracker XML String it displays english names in the Itemhistory - and since my guild wants to have german Names there, I'm looking for a way to access the german game files :P |
| 13:21.56 | nevcairiel | play in german |
| 13:22.53 | Kleskmaster | well in that case -> german sucks |
| 13:23.10 | nevcairiel | teach your guild mates that too |
| 13:23.16 | Kleskmaster | hehe |
| 13:23.35 | nevcairiel | If you play in german, but want english item names, there is a way |
| 13:23.38 | nevcairiel | other way around, not |
| 13:23.51 | |pez| | sounds weird, really. |
| 13:24.13 | Kleskmaster | why is there a way to get english names with german client, but not the other way around? |
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| 13:27.00 | Kleskmaster | how do i get the english names with german client then? |
| 13:27.00 | nevcairiel | because allakhazam has a XML file with ItemID -> english name :) |
| 13:27.10 | Kleskmaster | -.- |
| 13:27.11 | Kleskmaster | ok |
| 13:31.08 | Kleskmaster | well ok, will go think about it offline a little bit - bye and thx |
| 13:31.33 | foxlit | downforeveryoneorjustme.com is just weird |
| 13:31.43 | foxlit | There seems to be no "yeah, it's for everyone" message :/ |
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| 13:44.09 | Fisker- | answer meh nevcairiel |
| 13:44.20 | nevcairiel | nevah |
| 13:44.24 | Fisker- | do it |
| 13:45.06 | |pez| | So, question, if Calcedony and the gems of the same level are green to me, would I be better of selling them and hoping for better gems in later prospects? XD |
| 13:45.19 | |pez| | (for leveling JCing) |
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| 13:47.39 | sacarasc | depends how much they sell for |
| 13:47.50 | sacarasc | if they're dirt cheap, i'd JC them |
| 13:48.21 | |pez| | Not really sure what they sell for atm. |
| 13:51.29 | |pez| | I'm buying stacks of Saronite Ore from a guildie, in hope of getting some gems I can use. But mostly they give me the lower level gems ofcourse. |
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| 13:58.11 | Coren{de} | Hi... Anyone who'd know what the max. allowed content of an Editbox be? I'd like to go beyond 4096, but I don't remember if I chose that value for a reason... :D |
| 14:07.23 | GShock | I tried to write a macro like this: /target [nofocus]lasttarget;[target==focus]lasttarget;focus , this is pseudo code, I don't know how to implement it in WOW, can anybody help me? |
| 14:13.18 | Olorin | gshock have you looked at the page on wowwiki http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros |
| 14:13.58 | Olorin | most of what can be done in macros is in their in one example or another |
| 14:16.55 | GShock | olorin: I'm just wondering whether this can be done, I think know the most of the macro syntax now :) |
| 14:17.31 | |pez| | So, if I put http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39999 on the AH for 225g buyout, andI hoping too much? (some other person was selling them for more!) |
| 14:18.51 | Olorin | probably too much since its not even a daily JC recepie so anyone with that skill can cut the gem, gem on ah prolly way less |
| 14:19.38 | zenzelezz | GShock: I didn't test this, but you could try something like /targetlasttarget [target=focus,noexists]; /target [target=focus,exists] focus |
| 14:19.40 | Olorin | but then people pay whatever when thay either in rush or buy gold lol |
| 14:20.09 | |pez| | Hoping to drag in some cash again while leveling my JCing.. XD |
| 14:21.39 | GShock | zenzelezz: Thanks, but I think there's something missing, when the target is focus now, I can't targetlasttarget now :) |
| 14:21.52 | sacarasc | heh, |pez|, i got 3 of them for free from a friend levelling her JCing |
| 14:22.33 | zenzelezz | GShock: I don't understand what you just said, try rephrasing? |
| 14:23.24 | |pez| | sacarasc: I did ponder putting them in the GuildVault for people to take. But I need money for my epix flying! |
| 14:23.31 | GShock | zenzelezz: I mean, when my current target is the focus target, I want thie macro do /targetlasttarget |
| 14:24.02 | GShock | zenzelezz: sorry thie = this, typo |
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| 14:24.44 | zenzelezz | GShock: don't think you can use current target as a conditional, but perhaps someone else in here wakes up and knows |
| 14:25.01 | themrb | hello, does anyone know if within auctioneer theres still capability to search for competition? |
| 14:26.19 | Olorin | Themrb the appraiser tab within auctioneer will list the ones on the auction house for each of your items |
| 14:26.38 | GShock | zenzelezz: ok, thank you :) |
| 14:26.51 | themrb | yes |
| 14:27.09 | themrb | but regarding the auctions that I've already posted |
| 14:27.15 | themrb | I want to know if someone has undercut my glyphs |
| 14:27.20 | themrb | without searching through 122 of them |
| 14:28.21 | Olorin | 122 of your auctions or 122 of the auctions for the glyphs |
| 14:29.05 | themrb | well, to search through the data I've gained scanning |
| 14:29.12 | themrb | and take a look at the current auctions I've got posted |
| 14:29.19 | themrb | and tell me if someones undercut me |
| 14:31.16 | Olorin | I dont know for certain but ive not seen that ability, but then again I usually only put a few items at a time and can sort on price |
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| 14:34.42 | Remaxer | How can i disable "cartographer HUD"? |
| 14:41.35 | Olorin | Remaxer not sure what your refering to but does /cart then unticking the relevant section not work? |
| 14:45.10 | Remaxer | http://i42.tinypic.com/ogxd78.jpg |
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| 14:52.43 | Olorin | what part are you refering to, i dont see on that picture anyhting to do with cartographer |
| 15:04.05 | Remaxer | there where my char is |
| 15:04.07 | nevcairiel | Remaxer: that looks like the Gatherer HUD, nothing from Cartographer |
| 15:04.24 | nevcairiel | check the gatherer options |
| 15:04.34 | Remaxer | looool |
| 15:04.37 | Remaxer | found it |
| 15:04.37 | Remaxer | lol |
| 15:04.38 | Remaxer | thx |
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| 17:24.27 | Kraps | did anyone notice the stockades loot change? |
| 17:24.48 | Kraps | or were there always that many drops? |
| 17:26.08 | haste | stockades had horrible loot before at least |
| 17:26.33 | Kraps | yeah like 6 drops |
| 17:27.19 | Kraps | wowhead still has 5 |
| 17:30.51 | Kraps | the MOTD is 8 lines long now |
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| 17:38.36 | Shadowed | AnduinLothar: Random note, you can do 1H/OH -> 2H in one operation, at least with staves. Just equipping the stave on the MH automatically swaps out the OH |
| 17:41.12 | mikma | is there some sort of global variable or so that indicates the current highest level for player |
| 17:41.29 | Shadowed | possible? |
| 17:41.43 | Shadowed | not strictly speaking, but there is something lesse |
| 17:41.49 | mikma | like "MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL = 80" |
| 17:42.06 | Shadowed | you can see if they have what expansion, but can't remember if that translates to max level |
| 17:42.37 | Shadowed | just trying to think where I saw it |
| 17:44.06 | mikma | oh well. i was just hoping there would have been one. would have been easy to check that variable instead of modifying addon "every time" when new expansion gets released |
| 17:45.32 | mikma | ReputationFrame.lua:MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL_TABLE[2] = 80; |
| 17:45.57 | Shadowed | oh reputation frame thats where I was seeing it |
| 17:46.03 | Shadowed | MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL = MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL_TABLE[GetAccountExpansionLevel()]; |
| 17:46.30 | mikma | oh neat! |
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| 17:50.42 | Shirik | rawr |
| 17:51.22 | foxlit | moo! |
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| 17:58.51 | Amarande | bah. I wish MY paladins could remote consecrate |
| 18:03.12 | Amarande | gone seem to be the days when being high level let you solo just about any green group quest ... :S |
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| 18:20.47 | AnduinLothar | Shadowed: yeah, just not the other way around |
| 18:23.13 | Shirik | So I'm sitting here at my gate, E18 to Daytona Beach |
| 18:23.19 | Shirik | right next to me is E16 to Dayton |
| 18:23.25 | Shirik | it leaves 30 minutes before me |
| 18:23.33 | Shirik | who the hell came up with that layout |
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| 18:29.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: a computer, i bet. |
| 18:30.26 | Shirik | Computers suck |
| 18:30.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: dont get on the wrong flight, you dont want to come visit me in dayton, the place sucks |
| 18:30.40 | Shirik | you live in dayton? |
| 18:30.56 | Arrowmaster | outside it |
| 18:31.02 | Shirik | where is that anyway, ohio? |
| 18:31.31 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:31.31 | Arrowmaster | 30 minute drive downtown to college |
| 18:33.58 | Amarande | Shirik: what's really fun is when you have a connection and it's all the way on the other side of the terminal |
| 18:34.24 | Shirik | oh don't worry, I've done that |
| 18:34.38 | mikma | shirik: remind me again, how much was the yo mamma of the earth? |
| 18:34.45 | Shirik | I've been to airports where you have to go out of security and back in |
| 18:34.50 | Shirik | for a connection |
| 18:34.53 | Shirik | that kinda pissed me off |
| 18:35.16 | Shirik | mikma: I'm not quite sure, but it's important to realize that the weight of yo mamma changes, but not the mass |
| 18:35.20 | foxlit | That kinda makes sense? |
| 18:35.32 | Shirik | foxlit: How does that make sense? |
| 18:35.35 | foxlit | You're insecure until proven otherwise. |
| 18:35.41 | Shirik | you already came in on another flight |
| 18:35.50 | Shirik | there was security in the other airport too |
| 18:35.55 | foxlit | And you trust them? |
| 18:36.01 | Shirik | 99% of airports in the US follow this philosophy |
| 18:36.14 | Shirik | only exception is international flights |
| 18:36.33 | Shirik | but for some reason this airport in Florida has no connection between the two terminals, so you have to walk out and back in |
| 18:36.45 | mikma | so i can't use svn to get omen with externals? |
| 18:36.58 | Arrowmaster | omen doesnt use svn |
| 18:36.58 | Shirik | does omen have externals set up on its svn server? |
| 18:37.05 | Shirik | then that's why, heh :) |
| 18:37.17 | Shirik | does it use something evil like git? |
| 18:37.29 | mikma | shirik: make me a shell-version of wowi updater plox! |
| 18:37.30 | Arrowmaster | no it uses something awesome like git |
| 18:37.42 | mikma | well can i use git to get omen then? :D |
| 18:37.42 | Shirik | mikma: One thing at a time, I have to get 2.0 out first |
| 18:37.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:37.56 | Arrowmaster | it wont include externals though |
| 18:37.57 | Thunder_Child | http://abstrusegoose.com/81 |
| 18:37.58 | mikma | shirik: by shell i mean linux of course :) not windows kek |
| 18:37.59 | foxlit | Shirik: 3.11 is not done yet?! SLACKER! |
| 18:38.02 | Shirik | however, come to think about it, due to the modularity of the system, it should be extremely simple to do a shell version |
| 18:38.10 | mikma | arrowmaster: then the whole point is useless if there aren't no externals :( |
| 18:38.20 | Shirik | foxlit: Almost :( |
| 18:38.28 | Shirik | I should name it 3.11 |
| 18:38.32 | Shirik | 3.11 was awesome |
| 18:38.41 | Arrowmaster | you cant do 'externals' with git anyway if they dont also use git |
| 18:38.49 | Shirik | I went from 3.11 to Win98 and I was like "zomg where is my program manager!!!" |
| 18:38.50 | mikma | i miss the easy updating of addons before wowace svn was destroyed to the evil version |
| 18:39.11 | Shirik | mikma: The new version will support linux |
| 18:39.20 | Shirik | The old one was supposed to, too, but I forgot a few things |
| 18:39.30 | Shirik | if you'd like to be involved in the alpha just ask |
| 18:39.39 | Shirik | Alpha should be one or two weeks away |
| 18:39.55 | mikma | shirik: ok here me out! the problem i have is i use this shell (reaktio.net) to update my addons with shell. it doesn't have gui because i use ssh to connect into it :( |
| 18:40.07 | Shirik | ah |
| 18:40.57 | mikma | currently i use a small script that does svn update and git pull on addons that are gotten from different locations. |
| 18:40.59 | Shirik | well, let me consider working a console-based version in |
| 18:41.06 | mikma | but for other important stuff, i hate updating them by hand :P |
| 18:41.12 | Shirik | I'll have to put that on backorder though, I need to get other features in first |
| 18:41.39 | foxlit | mikma: X forwarding? |
| 18:41.42 | mikma | shirik: basicly wouldn't that be simple. just a small config file: Foldername, location in wowinterface |
| 18:41.51 | mikma | foxlit: server doesn't have X installed, it's pure server |
| 18:41.58 | Shirik | you can make the first ticket if you want to remind me, http://jira.shiibot.com |
| 18:42.12 | mikma | requires me to create an account? |
| 18:42.18 | Shirik | probably |
| 18:42.24 | mikma | damn :P |
| 18:42.40 | mikma | why won't you just add it there because you have login! |
| 18:43.41 | Shirik | stupid disconnections... |
| 18:43.44 | Shirik | anyway |
| 18:43.48 | Shirik | because you're the one who wants the feature! |
| 18:44.06 | foxlit | mikma: write your own Lua update script? |
| 18:44.18 | mikma | i don't wan't to create a login just for that! i don't i don't waaaaaaaaaaa |
| 18:44.19 | foxlit | Shouldn't actually be too bad, especially if you're running in a server environment. |
| 18:45.55 | mikma | foxlit: too hard for me, really :I |
| 18:48.29 | Shirik | mikma Consider it a learning experience :D |
| 18:49.31 | Coren{de} | Shirik, what/where is that updater you're producing? |
| 18:50.17 | mikma | shirik: no, no. i'll just go emo on you. |
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| 18:51.12 | Shirik | Coren{de}: it's coming |
| 18:51.22 | Shirik | like I said it will probably be ready for alpha in a week or two |
| 18:51.32 | Shirik | I just finished what I think is the hardest part |
| 18:51.39 | mikma | shirik: start? |
| 18:51.40 | mikma | lolo |
| 18:51.41 | Shirik | that is, trying to figure out what an addon is |
| 18:51.50 | Shirik | like, if it's already installed, figuring out where it is on wowi |
| 18:52.14 | Shirik | I think my heuristics are pretty good |
| 18:52.25 | mikma | shirik: usually the start is the hardest, right? |
| 18:52.40 | Shirik | it even detects things like Bongos3 packaged with Bongos3_Options where Bongos3_Options will wait for Bongos3 to be downloaded to ensure it's not built in |
| 18:52.53 | Shirik | no, the start is easy |
| 18:53.01 | Shirik | besides, you never start from the beginning |
| 18:53.17 | Shirik | except for maybe hello world programs |
| 18:53.29 | Shirik | I like to start from the middle, to help with data flow |
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| 18:53.51 | mikma | that's somewhat true. i've been noticing the same. i usually start from the hard part ingame ( /hack ) before i do the easy part, writing .toc and so on ;D |
| 18:55.08 | Coren{de} | do you search in wowi for the name or do you expect an x-url in its .toc? |
| 18:55.48 | Shirik | Coren{de}: none of the above |
| 18:56.07 | Thunder_Child | it's magic |
| 18:56.26 | Shirik | wowi feeds a "hints" script to the updater which it uses during its scan to help correlate ids to addons |
| 18:56.28 | Coren{de} | black magic? sacrifice a chicken and read the blood for the location? |
| 18:56.31 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: is really Ronald McDonald in disguise |
| 18:56.39 | Thunder_Child | s/:// |
| 18:56.44 | Shirik | it uses a combination of ## Title, ## Author, and the addon folder name |
| 18:56.55 | Shirik | none of which are required |
| 18:57.25 | nevcairiel | addon folder name is |
| 18:57.27 | Shirik | (Though obviously the addon folder name is required, but it doesn't have to match) |
| 18:57.30 | Shirik | shh |
| 18:57.35 | Shirik | I can't type fast on evdo card :( |
| 18:58.06 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 18:58.16 | Shirik | can you make a folder named space? |
| 18:58.26 | Shirik | I think you can, I made a symlinnk named space |
| 18:58.38 | nevcairiel | the new curse client matches a MD5 of all installed files against a md5 of all known versions on curse |
| 18:58.54 | Coren{de} | you can't name a folder in Windows starting with a dot... that's the only folder name restriction I know :) |
| 18:58.55 | Shirik | that seems like way too much processing for my tastes |
| 18:59.11 | Shirik | that means curse has to unextract everything that comes in |
| 18:59.11 | nevcairiel | I think wow chokes on addon names with a space |
| 18:59.28 | Shirik | Coren{de}: yes you can, how do you think svn works? |
| 18:59.34 | nevcairiel | alot of addons come from their repositorys anyway |
| 18:59.34 | Shirik | svn creates a folder .svn |
| 18:59.50 | nevcairiel | the default windows tools just cant create files/folders with a dot in front |
| 18:59.53 | mikma | git creates a folder .git |
| 18:59.53 | nevcairiel | because they fail |
| 18:59.57 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:00.10 | nevcairiel | they "think" you have an empty name |
| 19:00.11 | mikma | osx creates a folder __MACOSX and file .DS_Store <- DIE OSX DIE! |
| 19:00.22 | nevcairiel | because they seperate extension and name |
| 19:00.23 | nevcairiel | and well |
| 19:00.24 | Shirik | One of the other things I also do is ignore any addons that contain a .svn or .git folder |
| 19:00.27 | nevcairiel | .svn is just an extension :P |
| 19:00.39 | Shirik | I'll make an SVN and a git module at some point in the near future |
| 19:00.59 | nevcairiel | while you are at it, ignore .hg too |
| 19:01.05 | Shirik | people actually use that? |
| 19:01.08 | mikma | shirik: imho, don't accept stuff with .DS_Store and __MACOSX in it, it just shows that people are lazy |
| 19:01.13 | nevcairiel | some on curseforge |
| 19:01.23 | Shirik | strange people |
| 19:01.42 | Shirik | that's mercurial right? |
| 19:01.46 | Iriel | Mikma: lazy, or on a mac |
| 19:01.56 | nevcairiel | ya Shirik |
| 19:01.57 | Coren{de} | mikma, I thought for Mac those are required, so why should a thoughtful AddOn author be forced to make two versions of the same? |
| 19:02.07 | Arrowmaster | no they arent |
| 19:02.15 | Shirik | Mac will recreate them if they disappear |
| 19:02.20 | nevcairiel | Iriel: it should be possible to remove those if you are zipping, or mac fails :) |
| 19:02.30 | Iriel | Yes, but his addon is looking ON THE USERS FILESYSTEM |
| 19:02.37 | mikma | iriel: lazy on mac :) |
| 19:02.53 | Iriel | addon/app |
| 19:03.06 | mikma | coren{de}: no they are not required. I never add those in when i was using OSX and the addons still worked ;) |
| 19:03.09 | Shirik | I think mikma was referring to uploads to wowi |
| 19:03.11 | Shirik | Iriel |
| 19:03.21 | Shirik | like when someone packages something to upload to wowi |
| 19:03.24 | Iriel | I build my addons on a mac and never have those files 8-) |
| 19:03.38 | Shirik | and that's what mikma's saying, if they exist, then someone's being lazy :P |
| 19:03.42 | Iriel | Shirik: In that case you'd want to ignore fhose files 8-) |
| 19:03.52 | Arrowmaster | same thing for Thumbs.db |
| 19:04.04 | Arrowmaster | i hate Thumbs.db |
| 19:04.08 | Shirik | Thumbs.db comes from the other end of the evil spectrum |
| 19:04.14 | Coren{de} | I think I want to create an addon just with those file names :> |
| 19:04.37 | Shirik | Can you use <Script> to load a lua file that odens't end in .lua? |
| 19:04.44 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:04.49 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:05.02 | nevcairiel | When you accidentally used <Script> but meant <Include>, it tries to parse the .xml too |
| 19:05.12 | Arrowmaster | my system is set not to create Thumbs.db because its also set to show hidden files and folders and i find them annoying |
| 19:06.42 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:06.48 | Shirik | half of this plane is filled with people from my school |
| 19:06.53 | Shirik | judging from the waiting area |
| 19:06.57 | Shirik | the other half is old people |
| 19:07.09 | Coren{de} | Alumnis? :D |
| 19:07.17 | Shirik | no, just Florida |
| 19:07.49 | Shirik | I have also watched 4 people going to daytona beach walk up to the "dayton" plane |
| 19:07.52 | Shirik | since they're boarding now |
| 19:07.58 | Shirik | I reiterate, this is the stupidest layout ever :P |
| 19:08.08 | Coren{de} | anyone know a tiny addon that scans talents? I want to know if that's broken in principle in cross-language, or if I just messed up 8) |
| 19:08.27 | Amarande | heh, would they even let them board the wrong plane? |
| 19:08.34 | Amarande | every time I've traveled by plane, they check your pass at the gate |
| 19:08.47 | Shirik | no they kept turning the people away |
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| 19:18.20 | Shirik | I just found a gray hair on my laptop :/ |
| 19:18.27 | Shirik | I'm getting old :( |
| 19:18.46 | Thunder_Child | or it's not yours |
| 19:18.54 | Iriel | You're getting old when they're on your head.... |
| 19:19.01 | Iriel | ....and NOT finding them is the rare event |
| 19:19.04 | NightHawkTheSane | .. i have two responses: a) you are, you're constantly inching closer to death! b) dude, you're like one of the youngest people here, i'm sure. quitcher bitchin :p |
| 19:19.12 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:22.22 | Industrial | I want an anime without cliche! |
| 19:22.26 | Industrial | highest bidder wins, go! |
| 19:23.33 | Industrial | Shirik: also some people start losing their hair in the 20's ... |
| 19:23.34 | Shirik | $0.01 |
| 19:23.42 | Shirik | Industrial: Don't tell me these things! |
| 19:23.45 | Industrial | not me!, though I shave it :P |
| 19:23.53 | Shirik | though my family has a history of not losing hair, actually |
| 19:24.26 | Shirik | even my grandfather has a pretty full head of hair, granted it's like pure white |
| 19:24.42 | Industrial | same, and hes 84 o_O |
| 19:25.03 | Industrial | hes like santa :P big beard too ^^ |
| 19:25.13 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:25.22 | Shirik | don't talk about your grandfather that way! |
| 19:25.58 | Industrial | im sure he doesnt mind |
| 19:26.36 | Shirik | ok, dayton flight is gone, time for daytona beach to board! |
| 19:26.39 | Shirik | byes |
| 19:28.27 | Coren{de} | jira.shiibot.comhas AAAA address fe80::fcfd:43ff:fe12:d09a |
| 19:28.32 | Coren{de} | that doesn't look right... |
| 19:30.14 | WhiteWolf | it's ipv6 and looks right |
| 19:30.25 | WhiteWolf | (at least, in proper form) |
| 19:30.31 | Coren{de} | fe80:* is link-local, I believe... |
| 19:31.11 | Coren{de} | should either start with 3ffe:* (old address) or 2???:* (newer address) |
| 19:31.59 | WhiteWolf | hm, you may be right |
| 19:32.14 | WhiteWolf | take a quick peek at rfc2462 |
| 19:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That is indeed link-local |
| 19:32.41 | WhiteWolf | indeed |
| 19:33.56 | nevcairiel | shirik fails again |
| 19:34.17 | WhiteWolf | well, if it's not meant to be public routable then it's perfectly fine |
| 19:34.40 | nevcairiel | having a link-local address on a public dns is always fail |
| 19:36.01 | WhiteWolf | *shrug* |
| 19:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | s/having a link-local address on a public dns/shirik/ |
| 19:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh no worries |
| 19:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 19:38.23 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo failrik |
| 19:38.29 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (293 days); it has been requested 11 times, last by ScytheBlade1, 6s ago. |
| 19:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | What @ 11 times, that's broken |
| 19:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | We were up to at least 60 |
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| 19:49.33 | Anaral | Could someone please help me figure something out? I'm trying to get the quest icons from QuestGuru to show using Cart3. I see the QG tooltips on hover, but I'm stumped at what and/or where to look to try to get the icons to show. |
| 19:50.26 | Anaral | I've so far looked at the xml files for QG, but modifying toplevel didn't do anything. |
| 19:52.53 | foxlit | "Position in queue: 265" |
| 19:52.58 | foxlit | woahqq! |
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| 19:56.34 | mikma | haha |
| 19:56.34 | mikma | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_woolyrhinobull.html |
| 19:56.34 | mikma | named it Edward. |
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| 20:10.49 | Lyn | ~schimanski |
| 20:10.50 | purl | well, schimanski is mikma also known as mikmanski |
| 20:10.53 | Lyn | mikma, call it like this |
| 20:12.22 | mikma | Schimanski? too late :( |
| 20:12.27 | mikma | it's Edward already |
| 20:13.03 | Lyn | Edward .. like the shemale in cowboy bebop? or just edward? |
| 20:13.41 | haste | ~mikma |
| 20:13.41 | purl | somebody said mikma was an agitator but i love him anyway. also a whiner. |
| 20:15.53 | mikma | just Edward :) |
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| 20:55.45 | mikma | tekkub: ammunation tracking in cork. hard? |
| 20:57.41 | Tekkub | meh? |
| 20:57.50 | mikma | oh, steal your carbon supports arrows too. nvm :) |
| 20:57.56 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 20:58.42 | mikma | was quite funny to see lvl75 ud dk running his ass of because i was shooting his as with lvl71 hunter :P |
| 20:59.58 | mikma | any ways to getting rid of bugged tracking? |
| 21:00.06 | mikma | bugged track humanoids = BAD |
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| 21:05.25 | Ian_corne | relog? |
| 21:06.53 | mikma | no |
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| 21:29.57 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:30.05 | Shirik | omg so many pings and unanswered messages |
| 21:30.14 | Shirik | that's what I get for leaving computer on while gone |
| 21:33.40 | Fisker- | zomg Shirik |
| 21:33.45 | Fisker- | we're like almost teh dedicated few |
| 21:33.51 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:33.54 | Fisker- | with lag and shit |
| 21:33.56 | Fisker- | the naxx achievement |
| 21:33.59 | Fisker- | do shit with 8 man |
| 21:34.16 | Shirik | grats |
| 21:35.36 | Shirik | time for sleeps |
| 21:35.50 | nevcairiel | sleeps? |
| 21:35.57 | nevcairiel | isnt it like middle of the day for you? |
| 21:36.11 | Shirik|zZz | ~botmail for nobin call me when you see this |
| 21:36.20 | Shirik|zZz | yeah |
| 21:36.23 | Shirik|zZz | but I'm tired |
| 21:36.28 | Shirik|zZz | but I am le tired |
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| 21:55.17 | Fisker- | nevcairiel my friend |
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| 21:56.20 | Tem | Sons of Hodir dailies can kiss my ass |
| 22:06.50 | Dewin | I actually like doing them. |
| 22:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin likes thrusting the spear. ;) |
| 22:17.10 | mikma | tem: dear lord. the spear quest is so annoying |
| 22:17.16 | mikma | i almost everytime die in it :D |
| 22:17.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i love that quest. |
| 22:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | its so easy, worth decent money, and not any harder as resto spec :p |
| 22:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | also, unrelated: http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq172/joecooool418/P1012141.jpg <-- funny, cause it's true |
| 22:18.19 | TacticSiege | I have not finished the spear quest, Fatal Strike Missed! |
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| 22:48.16 | foxlit | I'm annoyed at the wintergrasp teleporter buffs |
| 22:49.05 | mikma | anyone knows what's the mob called that looks like ooze but has dragonkin as class? ... hunters can tame it |
| 22:49.08 | foxlit | They're (a) buffs (b) have a negative effect (c) have a duration (d) cannot be cancelled. |
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| 22:54.06 | WobWork | sigh |
| 22:54.08 | WobWork | http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/train-crush-load-limit-set-to-triple/2009/01/03/1230681809446.html |
| 22:54.25 | WobWork | Lets make our stats look good, by rewriting the rules under which they're defined! |
| 22:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 22:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133095833&sid=1 |
| 22:59.15 | WobWork | oh thank god he warned us |
| 23:03.10 | foxlit | "your post is a keylogger!" |
| 23:03.19 | foxlit | "Don't read it, or it'll log your keys!" |
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| 23:06.28 | foxlit | ... |
| 23:06.50 | foxlit | Hah, frostfire bolt. |
| 23:07.09 | foxlit | A frost/fire build with neither Improved Fireball or Improved Frostbolt looked odd there for a second. |
| 23:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I'm running |
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| 23:11.40 | markl_ | what is the best mod to compare what i'm wearing against an item that i am hovering the mouse over when looting a mob or in the AH? |
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| 23:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | probably ratings buster |
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| 23:14.58 | AbsoRayne | Just to be sure, there isnt currently a working auto updater right? |
| 23:15.14 | AbsoRayne | (for addons) |
| 23:16.20 | [dRaCo] | wowui's should work |
| 23:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The answer to that depends on how many people you want to piss off |
| 23:17.13 | AbsoRayne | Back to Manual updating, then |
| 23:17.28 | Hirsute | Curse Client works fine for me, as does WoWUIs |
| 23:18.22 | Codayus | Curse Client works fine. |
| 23:18.40 | AbsoRayne | mkay then |
| 23:18.52 | Codayus | Depends what you want, I guess. :-) |
| 23:19.46 | WobWork | foxlit: You should reply: "Your mom's a keylogger" |
| 23:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Curse isn't 100% "auto" |
| 23:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | WoWI's is half broken |
| 23:20.30 | Shirik | rawr |
| 23:20.32 | Shirik | what's up? |
| 23:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | WoWI updater! New version! |
| 23:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | GET WORKING |
| 23:20.42 | Shirik | it's coming!! |
| 23:20.43 | Shirik | omg! |
| 23:20.53 | Shirik | Why don't you flood my bug tracker with a million "zomg new version plox" |
| 23:20.57 | Shirik | like everyone else |
| 23:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Link? |
| 23:21.02 | [dRaCo] | do you want us too? |
| 23:21.04 | Shirik | jira.shiibot.com |
| 23:21.04 | [dRaCo] | -o |
| 23:21.05 | Shirik | please don't |
| 23:21.08 | [dRaCo] | we can do that! |
| 23:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | wget is GO |
| 23:21.22 | Shirik | I do know how to use iptables, ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:21.33 | Corrodias | i'm getting fat >:o |
| 23:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) I have like four IPv4 IPs |
| 23:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) I have like a billion Ipv6 IPs |
| 23:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | 3) You can't stop me |
| 23:21.50 | Shirik | I can ban a range :P |
| 23:22.00 | [dRaCo] | 4) Profit. |
| 23:22.00 | [dRaCo] | ? |
| 23:22.04 | Shirik | I could just ban all ipv6 addresses, not like anyone uses them |
| 23:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Also |
| 23:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Your IPv6 access to jira.shiibot.com is broke |
| 23:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | jira.shiibot.com. 604744 IN AAAA fe80::fcfd:43ff:fe12:d09a |
| 23:22.34 | Shirik | I know that |
| 23:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Internal link-local IPv6 addresses are sadface |
| 23:22.45 | Shirik | too bad! |
| 23:22.46 | Shirik | It's all I ahve |
| 23:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:23.05 | AbsoRayne | Teh wife just got a pretty new Monitor |
| 23:23.07 | AbsoRayne | Im jealous |
| 23:23.09 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 23:23.09 | Corrodias | isn't that kind of a strange localhost IP? |
| 23:23.18 | Corrodias | did they just choose something totally random? |
| 23:23.24 | Shirik | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr fe:fd:43:12:d0:9a |
| 23:23.24 | Shirik | inet addr:67.18.208.154 Bcast:67.18.208.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 23:23.24 | Shirik | inet6 addr: fe80::fcfd:43ff:fe12:d09a/64 Scope:Link |
| 23:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: no, it's the IPv6 version of 192.168.0.0/etc |
| 23:23.43 | Corrodias | 192.168 is pretty arbitraty on its own |
| 23:23.52 | Corrodias | fe80 seems to be in the same tradition |
| 23:23.59 | Shirik | 192 has a purpose |
| 23:24.06 | Shirik | 168 probably has a meaning as well |
| 23:24.09 | Corrodias | 192 specifically? |
| 23:24.12 | Corrodias | they couldn't use 1? |
| 23:24.16 | Shirik | right |
| 23:24.52 | Shirik | because there are "sets" of IP addresses. iirc, class A addresses start with 01, class B starts with 001, class C starts with 0001 (I may be off by one? I forget) |
| 23:25.19 | Shirik | and these are all binary numbers |
| 23:25.35 | Shirik | 192 fits in somewhere. It's been like 2 years since my telecomms class so I can't pull this stuff on the spot |
| 23:25.40 | Shirik | but it's at the edge of one of them |
| 23:25.42 | Shirik | probably class C |
| 23:26.03 | Corrodias | sigh, okay, i guess there's a really good reason they couldn't have designed it to use 1.xxx... as the "local IP" range |
| 23:26.20 | Corrodias | and there's a really good reason that they had to use fe80 in v6 |
| 23:27.05 | Aiiane | 192 is a class E |
| 23:27.09 | Aiiane | which means its first bit has to be 0 |
| 23:27.10 | Aiiane | er |
| 23:27.10 | Aiiane | 1 |
| 23:27.22 | Aiiane | anything that starts with a 0 can't be class E |
| 23:27.44 | Fisker- | omg n00b Shirik |
| 23:28.05 | Corrodias | it's over my head, i shouldn't complain |
| 23:28.10 | Aiiane | because anything which starts with a 0 is a class A |
| 23:28.19 | Corrodias | although i do wonder about the wisdom of giving anybody a billion addresses |
| 23:28.23 | Fisker- | it's 0 10 110 |
| 23:28.32 | Codayus | 192 is class C, no? |
| 23:28.44 | Aiiane | 192 = 11000000 |
| 23:28.51 | Aiiane | which makes it a class C, yes |
| 23:28.55 | Aiiane | since the third bit is 0 |
| 23:28.56 | WobWork | Corrodias: It's alright, we have trustworthy people in charge... like ScytheBlade1! |
| 23:29.03 | TacticSiege | 127.0.0.1 loopback! |
| 23:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ::1 |
| 23:29.49 | AbsoRayne-SemiAF | Going to rebuild the entire bottom of my UI \o/ |
| 23:29.53 | Corrodias | actually, it's the entire 127.0.0.x range, isn't it? |
| 23:30.16 | Fisker- | 127.x actually |
| 23:30.18 | Corrodias | although my ping reports "general failure" if i try 127.0.0.0 |
| 23:30.21 | Codayus | Corrodias: 127.x.x.x IIRC, except nothing implements that. |
| 23:30.25 | Corrodias | not sure what's up with that |
| 23:30.34 | Codayus | (Properly.) |
| 23:30.35 | Aiiane | because you're trying to ping a network address |
| 23:30.41 | Corrodias | vista does |
| 23:30.55 | Corrodias | or seems to, to some extent. except now you tossed "properly" on there, so i'm not sure. |
| 23:31.22 | Codayus | Heh, I've run into some odd bits of windows making weird assumptions about that address space. |
| 23:31.27 | Corrodias | no address can end with a .0 i take it |
| 23:31.34 | Fisker- | that's not it Aii |
| 23:31.35 | Corrodias | *machine address |
| 23:31.36 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 23:31.37 | Fisker- | Aiiane |
| 23:31.53 | Aiiane | same person, Fisker- |
| 23:32.00 | Aiiane | and they both highlight me on either client |
| 23:32.34 | Codayus | In particular, relating to remote desktop. If memory serves, you can't EVER connect remote desktop to 127.0.0.1, on any port, but you can to 127.0.0.2. This is relavent when using ssh tunnels. |
| 23:33.00 | Corrodias | smirk |
| 23:33.07 | Codayus | Those addresses are theoretically the same. And I think that issue is in Vista. Not major, just one of those "uhh....the hell" moments. |
| 23:33.13 | Aiiane | the precise reason is a little bit deeper, but the general reason is that it's the network address of the loopback network, thus the only network address that can be authoratatively resolved to "invalid" |
| 23:35.34 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@75-164-153-84.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 23:37.38 | AbsoRayne-SemiAF | Anyone know why Dominos wont pull a frame name with Developertools? Im trying to parent some panels to it but im not getting a name. |
| 23:38.10 | Tuller | because dominos frames are nameless :P |
| 23:38.18 | Tuller | Dominos.Frame:Get(id) |
| 23:39.07 | AbsoRayne-SemiAF | Danke |
| 23:40.33 | TacticSiege | so I have an outdate book I got for the holidays... since CastSpellByName is removed, is there anyway to have an xml created frame cast a spell? just a static one that will never change? |
| 23:41.56 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, want some fun? |
| 23:42.26 | Shirik | :( guess not |
| 23:42.49 | AnduinLothar | have to use a template TacticSiege |
| 23:42.57 | AnduinLothar | sucure template |
| 23:43.00 | AnduinLothar | secure |
| 23:43.22 | TacticSiege | ok thank you, that is a relief |
| 23:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ? |
| 23:44.08 | zenzelezz | *grumble*... my main computer's network adapter seems to have started messing up lately. Will just randomly stop working. Disable it and re-enable it and it'll work |
| 23:46.10 | AnduinLothar | gah, stupid queues |
