| 00:00.11 | Amarande | a squishy ... not so much. |
| 00:00.34 | Amarande | apparently even rogues have problems with that quest now, because the book Protectors are stealth detectors |
| 00:00.57 | alestane | foxlit: The restricted environments are fully proxied, and use a __newindex to store permissible values in the storage backing. "Permissible" covering both type and supplier. |
| 00:01.43 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=5381 is another example of a quest that seems to need overleveling as squishy |
| 00:01.53 | Amarande | at least, I could never do this one as a priest anywhere around the level |
| 00:02.16 | foxlit | alestane: and the supplier requirement overcomplicates allowed manipulation. |
| 00:02.41 | Amarande | Too many melee mobs, too little health, and they're immune to fear |
| 00:03.15 | Amarande | And possibly the worst overall now is the escort quest in RFD, which I can't remember the name of now |
| 00:03.34 | Amarande | I think 2.3 specifically destroyed that escort, actually |
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| 00:04.16 | foxlit | Probably, as you said, because someone somewhere prioritized security over usability. |
| 00:04.30 | foxlit | But yeah, okay, loadstring() hell it is. |
| 00:04.39 | alestane | foxlit: In one stage of design my environment gatekeeper allowed insecure code to write outside of lockdown. But I wouldn't expect that ability to be restored any time soon. It complicates the process of transferring values to the storage backing and creates potential exploit opportunities. |
| 00:05.21 | alestane | I use things like :Execute(("%s = %q"):format(func, body)). |
| 00:06.01 | foxlit | Which is fine for static function code. |
| 00:06.22 | foxlit | I can't imagine that'd be an efficient mechanism for transferring a fair amount of number/string values into the RE. |
| 00:07.05 | alestane | In the case I encountered where I had to assign several values, I strung them together into one string and executed it afterward. |
| 00:07.16 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy? |
| 00:07.32 | mikma | umm humm, what's the npc for horde where they can check when the Wintergrasp starts? |
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| 00:08.21 | alestane | foxlit: We'd also have to strip the taint from values being inserted from insecure code, which is asking for trouble unless we're excruciatingly careful, and possibly even if we are. |
| 00:08.38 | foxlit | I'm sure the number 5 can be quite evil :) |
| 00:09.53 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 00:09.53 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:10.04 | foxlit | But nevermind; if it can't be done easily, I might as well code around it in some fashion. |
| 00:10.58 | Amarande | 2.3 ruined RFD's escort quest for a very specific reason, as well |
| 00:11.10 | Amarande | although Sunken Temple is ridiculous when it comes to having to outlevel the content, too |
| 00:11.15 | alestane | I've discussed the possibility of having an :Assign(name, value) method, or allowing :Execute("body", arguments). But don't expect anything like GetManagedEnvironment(myHeader).name = value. |
| 00:11.38 | foxlit | even as syntactic sugar for :Assign(name, value) ? |
| 00:13.34 | alestane | foxlit: It's Iriel you'd have to convince. My job is to promote usability. His job is to prevent exploitation, or at least that's how it's worked out. We play pushmepullyou in that regard. And we can't really create new syntactic sugar constructs in Lua. |
| 00:14.04 | alestane | Anything which requires modifying the core Lua library generally gets shot down, unless it's VERY simple and maintainable. |
| 00:14.15 | foxlit | You don't have to do anything drastic in that regard |
| 00:14.45 | foxlit | GetManagedEnvironment(myHeader).name = value would just trigger __newindex on whatever proxy you return for the managed environment; might as well call any potential :Assign from there. |
| 00:15.51 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: May you help me with moving an addon. I put it in the wrong category. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=11931 -> TradeSkill Mods |
| 00:16.28 | alestane | foxlit: It does trigger _newindex. But then _newindex sees that the caller is insecure and barfs. |
| 00:16.52 | Shirik | Done, Mike-N-Go |
| 00:16.55 | Shirik | er |
| 00:16.58 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 00:17.00 | Shirik | I broke something, sec |
| 00:17.12 | foxlit | If a hypothetical :Assign() exists, it would probably call that instead of barfing, and everyone would be happier :) |
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| 00:17.23 | Shirik | done |
| 00:17.44 | Shirik | (for real this time) |
| 00:18.16 | alestane | The other concern is that passing insecure values into code that will store them without taint is a performance headache. Adds a LOT of overhead to calls. |
| 00:18.57 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks! |
| 00:19.00 | Shirik | np |
| 00:19.14 | foxlit | More overhead than me serializing that data into a string, you parsing that string and securely executing the resulting function in a relevant environment? :) |
| 00:20.35 | alestane | It also adds some of that overhead to calls that were inside that environment to begin with. |
| 00:21.14 | foxlit | I really don't see how; if you're filtering them on entry, you really shouldn't treat them any differently once they're inside. |
| 00:22.15 | foxlit | Depends, of course, on how taint works in regards to values. |
| 00:23.31 | Amarande | wow, looks like fishing numbers actually -improved- from BC to WotLK |
| 00:23.42 | alestane | Basically, any value set by insecure code is tainted and will taint any execution path reading it. About the only place that doesn't preserve taint on values is attributes. |
| 00:23.44 | Amarande | in terms of how much fuss is needed to get the top effective fishing level, anyway |
| 00:27.48 | End | well |
| 00:27.51 | End | that's fantastic |
| 00:28.01 | End | I guess I'm not immune to these comcastic disconnects |
| 00:28.51 | Amarande | they call it comcastic because 'craptastic' apparently doesn't attract customers |
| 00:29.08 | End | indeed |
| 00:29.44 | Tekkub | yea that's PR catching on to a common phrase and trying to spin it into their favour |
| 00:30.00 | Tekkub | and of corse, completely missing why the word was coined in the first place |
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| 00:36.11 | Amarande | hm. something I still haven't quite been able to figure out even after reading the El's Extreme Anglin' ... |
| 00:36.16 | Amarande | What's the default minimum fishing level? |
| 00:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | 1? |
| 00:36.31 | Amarande | Lopepeppy: I mean, if you end up at one of the bits of Azeroth coast for which the zone shows as 'unknown' |
| 00:36.36 | Amarande | what are the fishing properties of such spots? |
| 00:37.06 | Amarande | I should have checked this when I swam along the coast last, but I forgot to pack my Nat Pagle's |
| 00:38.01 | p3lim | disc priest, 15mp5 or 38 spirit? |
| 00:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | Where's Shirik when ya need him? |
| 00:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | Or Jelly, I think he did a Disc priest for a long while. |
| 00:38.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:38.31 | Esamynn | Amarande: I sincerely doubt that the fishing level is actually based on the zone flag, I would expect there is a property associated with each area of water |
| 00:38.32 | Shirik | what did I do |
| 00:38.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:38.45 | Shirik | I answered p3lim in a different channel |
| 00:38.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Am sorry. |
| 00:41.58 | |pez| | So, I'm really in a party with the boyfriend... yet it's his pet that shows on the partylisting. |
| 00:42.08 | |pez| | and when he's mounted... it says "dead" |
| 00:43.31 | Tekkub | vehicles == pets |
| 00:44.44 | |pez| | Tekkub: Aaand? This never happened before. |
| 00:44.57 | Tekkub | *shrug* get a better UF? |
| 00:44.58 | End | guess I can't play WoW tonight |
| 00:45.07 | |pez| | He's on his normal flying mount. |
| 00:45.17 | Tekkub | yea then you're just broken |
| 00:45.30 | Amarande | If I recall a discussion here the other day, it seemed to basically come up with the idea that non-Blizzard unit frames that actually work properly with vehicles in WotLK and don't cause taint issues, are pretty much a Holy Grail right now |
| 00:45.58 | Adys | pitbull works fine |
| 00:45.58 | |pez| | I use the default blizzard UF XD |
| 00:46.11 | Tekkub | Amarande, I've not had issues, but then I *don't* want player and pet swapped when I'm on a vehicle |
| 00:46.35 | Amarande | I haven't seen any issues with X-Perl, but then, I haven't really done much with vehicles outside of starting a DK once, and doing that one quest in BT with the vehicle |
| 00:46.49 | Amarande | the one where you check on Kel'thuzad and have to kill 100 undead |
| 00:46.59 | Amarande | I think there's another vehicle quest in BT, but I never actually had to use the vehicle in that one |
| 00:47.08 | Tekkub | Kel'thuzad? BT? |
| 00:47.13 | Adys | borean tundra |
| 00:47.14 | Amarande | Borean Tundra. |
| 00:47.17 | Adys | horde quest |
| 00:47.24 | Tekkub | oh horde |
| 00:47.26 | Tekkub | that'd be why |
| 00:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | (awesome quest) |
| 00:47.57 | Amarande | The other quest, the one where you're supposed to get the warspear or whatever it was, I ended up not having to use the vehicle for a simple reason |
| 00:48.10 | Amarande | I get there and I'm like 'oh bloody hell, it's dead already, how long till respawn' |
| 00:48.19 | Amarande | then I see the quest item lootable thingy and like 'hmm.' |
| 00:48.20 | amro | check on Kel'thuzad ounds like you ask if he needs any more coffee |
| 00:48.22 | Lopeppeppy | Then you loot it anyway. :) |
| 00:48.23 | Tekkub | mammoth chain for DEHTA has a vehicle too |
| 00:48.43 | Amarande | Tekkub: yeah, that's the one that I didn't have to use the vehicle for |
| 00:48.46 | Adys | daily for sons of hodir |
| 00:48.57 | Amarande | because when I got there, the mob was already dead and I just had to loot the quest item |
| 00:49.00 | Adys | and for what it's worth, wintergrasp and sota |
| 00:49.18 | alestane | Wintergrasp and Soda? Sounds like an interesting drink. |
| 00:49.30 | Tekkub | diet sota |
| 00:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | I have a can of NetherSprite.... |
| 00:50.00 | Corr-work | did somebody say DotA? |
| 00:50.09 | Amarande | wtf, you can fish while in /sleep posture? |
| 00:50.21 | alestane | I know you can sleep sitting down. |
| 00:50.22 | Amarande | that makes cross-faction fishing a lot easier apparently, according to El's ... |
| 00:50.24 | amro | yes, as in real life |
| 00:50.44 | Tekkub | you can fish in damn near any position |
| 00:50.45 | Adys | yeah but the article is 3 years old Amarande |
| 00:50.48 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: missionary? |
| 00:52.06 | Tekkub | boring |
| 00:52.24 | NightHawkTheSane | half frontal cowgirl? |
| 00:52.37 | NightHawkTheSane | swinging-from-a-tapeeze-upside-down? |
| 00:53.12 | End | ok |
| 00:53.16 | End | there's something wrong with that |
| 00:53.31 | Tuller | so, define "work properly with vehicles" |
| 00:53.46 | Tuller | are party members meant to switch, too? |
| 00:53.46 | End | I'm connected through an ssh proxy through my linode, and I'm getting a better ping than I normally get directly |
| 00:54.54 | Tekkub | Tuller, for me, vehicles == pets so I don't care if they switch, just so long as the pets show up correctly |
| 00:55.35 | Tuller | well, I can get at least the standard, "you're a player in a vehicle" working |
| 00:56.38 | Tuller | but all that is just a "lets make our frame switch units based on state" type thing |
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| 00:59.27 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:59.33 | Amarande | maybe this will sound a bit QQ |
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| 00:59.45 | Amarande | but ... achievement points really should somehow reflect the relative difficulty of each achievement :S |
| 01:00.08 | Amarande | for instance: you get 50 points for defeating all the bosses in heroic naxx. |
| 01:00.24 | Amarande | you only get -ten- for defeating them all in one raid lockout without ever having a raid member dying |
| 01:01.26 | Amarande | also only ten for defeating Thaddius without anyone getting zapped, which seems almost impossible to actually do, especially on 25-man |
| 01:01.27 | smcn | remove the points altogether imo |
| 01:02.31 | Amarande | I'd almost say it'd probably be easier to defeat Absolute Virtue in FFXI than to get some of the achievements in WoW, but I may be wrong. :) |
| 01:04.51 | Amarande | smcn, do you know anyone who's ever beaten thad on 25 without even a single zap? |
| 01:05.02 | smcn | personally, no |
| 01:05.17 | smcn | but at least 1 person has the heroic glory of the raider achievement |
| 01:05.30 | Amarande | As for who Absolute Virtue that I refer to is ... AFAIK, the single most difficult MMORPG boss EVER created. |
| 01:05.57 | Amarande | From what I've read, AV has only ever been beaten once, and even that only with the aid of GMs, or somesuch |
| 01:06.17 | smcn | but i'm not saying it's not difficult |
| 01:06.45 | smcn | according to wowjutsu "Heroic: Shocking!" has only been completed by 0.5% of players :P |
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| 01:07.39 | NightHawkTheSane | that many? :p |
| 01:08.27 | Amarande | Night: yeah, that's what I was about to say :) |
| 01:10.24 | Mike-N-Go | What is WOWI's stance on a site like http://fin.instinct.org/wowmods/ ? |
| 01:14.12 | kd3 | goes to the info page, lists authors, isn't blatantly acting like wowmatrix |
| 01:17.39 | Olorin | Tuller do you have any plans to add item grouping to your Bagnon addon? |
| 01:17.47 | Tuller | nope |
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| 01:18.16 | Tuller | bagnon is a single display window, and that's how it'll always remain :) |
| 01:19.16 | Olorin | okies, just thought I'd ask, I use and like this addon a lot but sometimes I dunno what quest items are needed .. |
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| 01:19.48 | Olorin | would be handy if somthing like questhelper would track quest items given on accepting a quest lol |
| 01:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | well, QH does everything else, im surprised it doesn't do that |
| 01:21.10 | Mike-N-Go | Olorin: What do you want? |
| 01:21.26 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, baggins or ArcInventory do auto-sorting/dividing |
| 01:21.54 | Mike-N-Go | Olorin: QBar http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8645-08.11.09.html might be what your looking for? |
| 01:22.00 | Olorin | Mike-N-Go I was just thinking it'd be nice to have quest item tracking... |
| 01:22.27 | Olorin | mostly so when someone else your grouped with triggers using an item etc.. your not still lugging it around 10levels later :) |
| 01:22.47 | Wobin | http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2008/12/19/mediterranean-undersea-cables-cut-again/ |
| 01:22.49 | Wobin | =( |
| 01:22.53 | Dashkal | Olorin: It's pretty trivial to get ArkInventory to set aside all quest items. I have mine set up to split off quest items, trash, and non-bound greens |
| 01:22.55 | kd3 | Bibi, any chance of you adding a search box to the blue tracker, even if it's a simple search google search box? |
| 01:24.05 | Olorin | Mike-N-Go that does look interesting, thanks, Dashkal thanks also i'll take a look at that also |
| 01:24.58 | Dashkal | Ark is quite a bit more powerful than I just described, and out of the box a little invasive (I had to turn off it's takeover of the guild bank), but it lets you sort on ANYTHING. |
| 01:25.12 | Dashkal | s/it's/its |
| 01:25.38 | Olorin | hmm, best not let it near my guild bank... oh wait that "could" be a good thing lol |
| 01:25.47 | Olorin | Im a hording horde |
| 01:25.51 | Dashkal | :p |
| 01:26.02 | mikma | ololo |
| 01:26.06 | Dashkal | It has a pretty good config. You can turn off pretty much any feature you dislike |
| 01:26.34 | Dashkal | I use it for the splitting of quest items and for its memory of my other characters. Nice to be able to check out my merchant's guild bank from my main |
| 01:26.56 | Dashkal | and the search box is gold. Having to find that damn harpoon while fighting... |
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| 01:27.14 | Wobin | zomg |
| 01:27.14 | Lopeppeppy | I like my quest item bar, me love it long time. |
| 01:27.15 | Olorin | Well for character tracking etcc. I would really recommend altoholic, I think thats an excellent addon |
| 01:27.18 | Amarande | heh, I always have to warn my guild masters that I use ArkInventory |
| 01:27.23 | Wobin | I totally forgot that opie auto chooses quest items |
| 01:27.24 | Amarande | since it has a tendency to create chaos in guild banks |
| 01:27.34 | Wobin | I completely forgot! |
| 01:27.43 | Dashkal | Amarande: that chaos is exactly why I immediately turn off the guild bank takeover |
| 01:28.24 | foxlit | Wobin: /bonk :) |
| 01:28.44 | Wobin | foxlit: It's just so "out of the way"! |
| 01:28.53 | Wobin | I don't realise it does things =P |
| 01:29.12 | Wobin | hm, why is Firefox taking up 50% cpu? =( |
| 01:29.23 | Wobin | I'd switch to chrome if it had more stuff going for it =\ |
| 01:29.26 | Amarande | Wobin: armory? |
| 01:29.34 | Wobin | oh hm |
| 01:29.35 | foxlit | I should add big thought bubbles over your character's head |
| 01:29.45 | Amarande | I notice often when things are laggy that closing a tab that's on armory fixes things |
| 01:29.48 | Wobin | nope, no armoury pages loaded |
| 01:29.48 | Amarande | btw: |
| 01:30.01 | Amarande | now being able to see achievement points in armory guild list = w00t |
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| 01:30.09 | Amarande | however, glitches in number of points = fail |
| 01:30.13 | foxlit | "I wonder if my player would be competent enough to hit ALT+Q" |
| 01:30.44 | Amarande | "Why, why does my player keep making me stand in fire ... meanie ..." |
| 01:31.38 | Amarande | Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how I can have 1625 achievement points and appear as having only 700 in the guild roster |
| 01:38.01 | Bibi | kd3: probably yeah |
| 01:38.10 | Bibi | have to yell at the dev about a few things anyway |
| 01:38.21 | Tem|AFK | Bibi, ping |
| 01:38.28 | Bibi | I'm not ponging you anymore |
| 01:38.34 | Bibi | I did a few hours ago and you just didn't answer |
| 01:38.42 | Bibi | do you think you can just play with my feelings? |
| 01:39.07 | Tem | Sorry, I was at work |
| 01:39.15 | Bibi | me too |
| 01:39.19 | Bibi | ^^ |
| 01:39.21 | Tem | feature request for bluetracker |
| 01:39.24 | |Jelly| | Can someone clarify? Dual specs isn't "on the fly" or is it? |
| 01:39.29 | Bibi | it's not |
| 01:39.29 | Tem | show class/level |
| 01:39.44 | kd3 | jelly; all we know at this point is that it's trivial to change in town, not so trivial out side of town |
| 01:39.47 | alestane | They haven't clarified how exactly dual-spec will work. |
| 01:39.49 | kd3 | what that means is still up in the air |
| 01:39.52 | |Jelly| | kk |
| 01:39.58 | Bibi | Tem: hmm, yeah, will see if we can do that |
| 01:40.01 | Tem | |Jelly|, as far as we know, Dual spec could be a 10s cast that you can do anywhere and BAM you just swapped specs |
| 01:40.12 | Tem | an armory link would probably be nice too |
| 01:40.32 | Tem | it was annoying reading bluetracker today because everyone was a damn candycane |
| 01:40.39 | kd3 | "wth, this tard has a 1300 rating. why am I looking at his post?" |
| 01:40.49 | Tem | So um |
| 01:40.50 | Bibi | exactly. |
| 01:40.52 | Tem | Aces High |
| 01:41.10 | Tem | Why does the ability that says "grants one combo point" actually reset my combo points? |
| 01:41.22 | kd3 | because the devs like toying with your emotions |
| 01:41.37 | Bibi | devs conspiracy to have you cancel your account |
| 01:41.40 | Bibi | then, they can have more holidays! |
| 01:42.34 | Shadowed | Because theres two kinds of CP Tem |
| 01:42.42 | Shadowed | and depending on the mod, it might track them incorrectly |
| 01:42.55 | Dashkal | Bibi: Still WTB that blue post count column on the tracker if you're pestering the dev again anyway :p |
| 01:43.13 | Shadowed | One of them is on the enemy, and one of them is on yourself. Using whatever the HOT is puts one on yourself, and resets the one on the enemy, using whatever the #1 ability is puts a CP on the enemy, and resets the one on yourself |
| 01:43.44 | kd3 | oh nifty. the ptr actually shows it's a ptr build on the login screen |
| 01:43.56 | kd3 | only took a year and a half of complaining |
| 01:44.09 | Shadowed | whats it show? |
| 01:44.16 | Amarande | I've only ever tried the PTR once, with 3.0.2 |
| 01:44.19 | kd3 | Version 0.0.0 (9386) (PTR) |
| 01:44.20 | Tem | I'm using the blizzard bars |
| 01:44.26 | kd3 | Version 0.0.8 (9386) (PTR)* |
| 01:44.26 | Tem | s/bars/unit frames/ |
| 01:45.27 | Shadowed | Blizzard ones fail then! |
| 01:45.36 | Shadowed | if you target yourself, it might show them on that |
| 01:45.41 | Shadowed | yourself = the drake |
| 01:47.21 | Tem | yeah it does |
| 01:47.23 | Tem | weird |
| 01:47.41 | Tem | oh damn that's annoying |
| 01:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmrph? |
| 01:48.29 | Bibi | so huh ... |
| 01:48.43 | Bibi | any reason why the exalted hodir mammoth costs 10k gold for alliance and 1k gold for horde? |
| 01:48.43 | Shirik | (20:41:10) (+Tem) Why does the ability that says "grants one combo point" actually reset my combo points? |
| 01:48.46 | Shirik | Which ability is that? |
| 01:48.49 | Bibi | :( |
| 01:48.50 | Tem | Revivify |
| 01:48.54 | Bibi | oh wait, it's fixed |
| 01:49.02 | Shirik | If you use that, it puts a combo point on whatever you used it on |
| 01:49.11 | Tem | aha |
| 01:49.13 | Shirik | so you can't use that AND do damage, because they're combo points to different targets |
| 01:49.53 | Tem | yeah that makes sense |
| 01:51.24 | Shirik | ow :( |
| 01:51.29 | Shirik | Just looked at this code I wrote today |
| 01:51.45 | Shirik | I use the automated import feature whever Netbeans detects something missing. Looked at the top and there's like 30 lines of imports :( |
| 01:51.55 | Shirik | ok closer to 20, but still |
| 01:51.56 | kd3 | failtastic netbeans is fail |
| 01:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. That may be the sign of unhappy code/netbeans. |
| 01:52.31 | Shirik | No kd3, it's not netbeans, it's definitely right because I have tools telling me warnings for unnecessary imports |
| 01:52.39 | Shirik | it just means I might have put too much in one file |
| 01:53.10 | Shirik | It's just all this XML crap. XML is supposed to make things easy but it seems like it just adds a lot of work |
| 01:55.43 | kd3 | ding ding ding, we have a winner |
| 01:56.26 | kd3 | and yay for xfce's window manager doing spiffy desktop effects now... http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4311/hidelauncherfg6.jpg |
| 01:57.18 | Elessdy | wouldn't it be terribly distracting to have an image showing through? |
| 01:58.38 | kd3 | I only do it for screencaps for the forums |
| 01:58.43 | kd3 | but not really, I can tune it out |
| 01:58.45 | cbreak | my terminals are a bit transparent. as long as it's not too strong it works very nicely :) |
| 01:59.19 | cbreak | but I wouldn't use it for anything that's colorful in the FG |
| 01:59.19 | kd3 | the focused window's fully opaque anyway |
| 02:04.51 | batrick | how many cores is wow able to use (any one know)? |
| 02:05.19 | Shirik | I have never understood why that should ever be up to the application to decide |
| 02:05.34 | Shirik | The OS should have full rights to decide which CPU(s) an application gets to use |
| 02:07.40 | cbreak | batbot: about 1.5 |
| 02:07.57 | cbreak | the OS does decide :) |
| 02:08.06 | cbreak | the app only gets to decide how many threads to spawn |
| 02:08.19 | Shirik | The OS isn't the only participant in that decision |
| 02:08.29 | Shirik | and WoW has far more than 1.5 threads |
| 02:08.46 | cbreak | yes, but it only uses about 20% of my cpu power. |
| 02:08.54 | Shirik | The app can restrict how many CPUs it uses |
| 02:10.11 | cbreak | how? |
| 02:10.53 | Shirik | I can't look up the call right now, but just about every OS has standard calls to allow these limitations |
| 02:10.59 | Shirik | (up to a security level) |
| 02:11.12 | cbreak | hmm... nice? |
| 02:11.50 | Shirik | not really :P |
| 02:12.11 | Shirik | There are some legacy reasons these exist, but really I think they're misused |
| 02:13.00 | cbreak | maybe pthread_setschedparam. |
| 02:13.22 | Shirik | I can't say for sure because I've never imposed that limitation :) I know I use setschedparam for other things |
| 02:13.43 | Shirik | but it can do a lot of things |
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| 02:23.17 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: December 19th, 2008 6:17pm PST. . World of Warcraft Disconnection Issues. |
| 02:23.17 | Shiibot | We are currently aware of the problems involving Comcast users being disconnected from World of Warcraft. Please continue to provide the appropriate details in the following thread where we are also providing updates on the situation: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13769837832&sid=1 |
| 02:24.12 | kd3 | wow, comcrap is craptastic |
| 02:27.21 | Amarande | Comcast must consider WoW not an 'important enough net function' |
| 02:27.38 | Tekkub | let me guess, traffic shaping? |
| 02:28.02 | Tekkub | we took care of BT (or at least we think we did) so lets go for the next big bandwidth user? |
| 02:28.04 | kd3 | my first guess was sandvine spoofing rst packets, but that's just evil |
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| 02:37.41 | Dewin | I say this as I suddenly am unable to connect to the Blizz website, that's bad. |
| 02:39.28 | Amarande | Fail |
| 02:39.35 | Amarande | ARTIFACT FAIL |
| 02:40.31 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out why the numbers of achievement points listed for some of my guildies don't match what's listed on the character page, while for others it matches up fine |
| 02:40.40 | Dewin | There's no difference in Config.wtf between live and PTR besides patchList and realmList right? |
| 02:41.16 | kd3 | right |
| 02:41.41 | kd3 | and heh. having too much fun baiting someone who's got an entitlement complex |
| 02:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 02:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
| 02:41.50 | kd3 | snowball.exe? |
| 02:41.51 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 02:49.28 | Dewin | bleh on Macaroon |
| 02:51.02 | Amarande | hm |
| 02:51.10 | Amarande | apparently the guild vault section of armory is being kinda wonky lately too |
| 02:58.41 | Shirik | heh, http://xkcd.com/518/ |
| 02:58.45 | Shirik | (Yes I know I'm late :( ) |
| 02:58.56 | Shirik | that's still pretty awesome |
| 02:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | Listen. I hate you. |
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| 03:01.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:01.08 | Shirik | why |
| 03:01.55 | Dewin | hmm... SecureHandlerShowHideTemplate doesn't to have disappeared between live and PTR. |
| 03:02.17 | Dewin | err |
| 03:02.29 | Dewin | I hate when I rephrase a sentence halfway through and end up with a jumbled mess. |
| 03:02.38 | Dewin | it seems to have disappeared |
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| 03:09.37 | batrick | Shirik: still living without caffeine? |
| 03:09.43 | Shirik | yup! |
| 03:10.00 | batrick | =o |
| 03:10.53 | Dewin | without caffeine? That's horrible. |
| 03:12.39 | ccox | the only horrible part is the withdrawl symptoms, but they last 2 weeks or so |
| 03:12.54 | ccox | <-- mostly without caffeine for almost 20 years |
| 03:13.10 | ccox | ("mostly" because I can't give up dark chocolate) |
| 03:13.54 | Dewin | I don't count chocolate |
| 03:14.11 | Amarande | I experience mental imbalance issues regardless of whether I drink caffeine or not. I'm most likely going to be on medication soon |
| 03:14.18 | ccox | chocolate contains a caffeine analog (not quite caffeine, last time I checked the research) |
| 03:14.38 | Dewin | So... bleh. where did SecureHandlerShowHideTemplate go, and how do I work around its sudden disappearance :-/ |
| 03:14.39 | Amarande | for the time being, I've been trying to make do with alcohol when I'm not at work. |
| 03:14.57 | ccox | um.... |
| 03:15.31 | Amarande | well, I have to use up the liquor anyway, I probably won't be able to drink when I'm on meds ... |
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| 03:17.08 | Dewin | ccox: Macaroon breaks on the current PTR, and rumor has it Maul's MIA (or just really busy). Whether that's accurate or not, I'm trying to find a suitable fix. And the problem is the missing template. |
| 03:18.02 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 03:18.07 | Amarande | wb Cairenn :) |
| 03:18.16 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 03:19.00 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi hi hi hi Cairenn! |
| 03:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | Done snowing out there yeet? |
| 03:19.08 | Cairenn | hey peppy |
| 03:19.09 | Cairenn | nope |
| 03:19.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Lucky, we got 4 inches in just a few hours today |
| 03:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | Still getting more here too. |
| 03:19.48 | sacarasc | don't think there's been 4 inches of snow here in the last 2 years |
| 03:19.57 | Cairenn | yup, we're getting whomped again |
| 03:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | More whomping for Sunday is scheduled here, how about you? |
| 03:20.32 | Cairenn | same |
| 03:20.56 | Cairenn | we're close enough that we (basically) share the same weather patterns |
| 03:21.08 | Cairenn | give or take a few degrees on the thermometer |
| 03:21.09 | Amarande | same here |
| 03:21.33 | Lopeppeppy | Snow snow snow snow. |
| 03:21.37 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:21.47 | Amarande | missing days of work to snow isn't always bad, though I guess |
| 03:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | They actually closed my college today, I was stunned. |
| 03:22.05 | Cairenn | we didn't get the horrendous amount of freezing rain you got a while back, because it was colder here |
| 03:22.10 | Shirik | I don't count chocolate ccox :) |
| 03:22.13 | Shirik | I can't live without chocolate |
| 03:22.24 | Lopeppeppy | Chocolate is another whole addiction group. |
| 03:22.32 | Cairenn | mmmmm, chocolate |
| 03:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | Do want. |
| 03:22.45 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 03:22.47 | Lopeppeppy | All I have in house is Hersheys for baking. Not what I want to eat. |
| 03:22.48 | Shirik | and if you want to make Cairenn happy, just bring her a box of chocolates and she'll do anything |
| 03:22.59 | Cairenn | not quite anything ... |
| 03:23.02 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you're mixing up your redheads again. :) |
| 03:23.19 | Cairenn | but an awful lot ;) |
| 03:23.21 | Shirik | ok almost anything |
| 03:23.32 | Amarande | I've been avoiding chocolate lately too, despite having most of a bag of the Lindt milk-and-white holiday truffles still at hand |
| 03:23.34 | Dewin | ... that's odd |
| 03:23.38 | Elessdy | >_> <_< i like the sound of this |
| 03:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | Lindt chocolate is good. Milk chocolate is evil. It is fake. |
| 03:24.52 | Cairenn | dark chocolate, always! |
| 03:25.07 | Lopeppeppy | Dark chocolate has a low melting point. |
| 03:25.21 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy, higher than milk though I think |
| 03:25.31 | ccox | Shirik - you have to get her the RIGHT chocolate before she'll do *anything* |
| 03:25.34 | Amarande | at least, it's virtually always milk chocolate when I have it melt in my hand heh |
| 03:25.47 | Elessdy | mmm... dark chocolate :o |
| 03:25.50 | Elessdy | what the |
| 03:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, you're not doing it right. *grin* |
| 03:26.29 | Amarande | well, right now my brain is scrambled, so I'm lucky I'm able to do -anything- right that's any more complex than fishing. LOL |
| 03:26.33 | ccox | llike these Ghirardeli dark chocolate squares: 65 to 72% cacao |
| 03:26.53 | Amarande | ccox: I've seen one brand that's 85% |
| 03:27.05 | Corrodias | i take it 100% cacao is infeasible |
| 03:27.15 | Amarande | Corr: that's called cocoa powder I think |
| 03:27.17 | ccox | Or the Sharfen Berger 80% cacao bars (great for making chocolate mouse) |
| 03:27.18 | Shirik | I don't think it would taste very good |
| 03:27.26 | Corrodias | ah, well |
| 03:27.46 | ccox | Amarande: yeah, 80% plus is tough to make work, and I think 85% is the highest I've seen |
| 03:27.48 | Shirik | Then again, I don't really like dark chocolate either |
| 03:27.52 | Corrodias | who needs chloroform when you can have chocolate? |
| 03:28.03 | ccox | But, I have seen pure ground cacao, without sugar or fats |
| 03:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm... dark chocolate. |
| 03:28.17 | Lopeppeppy | Don't get me started, it's sooooo not PG |
| 03:28.18 | ccox | without the sugar, it tastes a bit like burnt wood |
| 03:28.29 | ccox | but add just a little sugar and MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmm......... |
| 03:28.49 | sacarasc | Corrodias: chocolate is the apology for the chloroform |
| 03:28.52 | Corrodias | i like how you think |
| 03:29.22 | Corrodias | i've got a slight rum-induced buzz here |
| 03:29.55 | ccox | s/lick/lock |
| 03:29.58 | Wobin | I use 85% for cooking |
| 03:30.00 | ccox | s/lick/lock/ |
| 03:30.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:30.13 | ccox | grumble, can't even do my corrections right |
| 03:30.17 | Amarande | bah. vodka tastes distinctly meh compared to rum now |
| 03:30.24 | Amarande | Corrodias, why is all the rum gone? |
| 03:30.36 | Cairenn | give up ccox, you got too, ummm distracted, to think coherently ;) |
| 03:30.45 | Corrodias | captain morgan pirate bay - pinapple |
| 03:30.46 | ccox | yep |
| 03:30.47 | Wobin | hm |
| 03:30.51 | Wobin | I need some chocolate |
| 03:32.40 | Wobin | ...wait.. |
| 03:32.41 | ccox | http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/braised-chicken-with-oaxacan-chocolate-mole-sauce |
| 03:35.12 | Corrodias | i know how mole is supposed to be pronounced |
| 03:35.20 | Tem | ... wow |
| 03:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | mo-lay |
| 03:35.22 | Tem | so |
| 03:35.22 | Corrodias | but i am more entertained by reading it as the sauce of the "mole" animal |
| 03:35.27 | Tem | I dinged 80 last night |
| 03:35.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yay Tem. |
| 03:35.35 | Tem | Since then, I have done 2 instances |
| 03:35.42 | Amarande | I'm still level 74 here |
| 03:35.49 | Tem | in both of them, the item I wanted from there dropped |
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| 03:35.53 | Amarande | got sidetracked by working on the cooking and fishing stuff |
| 03:36.04 | Tem | this is unprecedented for me |
| 03:36.11 | Amarande | and now I need to fish to get most of the rest of one of my cooking achievements ... heh |
| 03:36.16 | Tem | I don't know what to do with myself |
| 03:36.22 | Lopeppeppy | ... go to sleep, Silly Tem. |
| 03:36.31 | Amarande | Tem: you mean at 80, I can look forward to instance loot that DOESN'T SUCK? |
| 03:36.32 | Tem | like "Hey, I should run that instance again" |
| 03:36.36 | Tem | .. but why? |
| 03:36.55 | Amarande | unlike, say, Nexus, where the instance loot isn't even as good as the instance quest loot |
| 03:42.56 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 03:42.56 | purl | ~pong |
| 03:43.07 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 03:43.09 | Shirik | my computer went to sleep and didn't disconnect |
| 03:44.16 | |pez| | So... how many of you do not see arial, as the white text on this page? - http://209.123.162.4/ |
| 03:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes computers are cuddly, sometimes they are not. |
| 03:44.33 | Shirik | definitely not arial |
| 03:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | I see something, don't know what font it is. |
| 03:44.42 | Shirik | I'm not sure I would call it "shiny" |
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| 03:45.00 | |pez| | It should be Century Gothic. |
| 03:45.07 | |pez| | I quite like it. |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | Sounds like a M$ font |
| 03:45.27 | |pez| | Shirik: I think it is! |
| 03:47.47 | |pez| | it looks better when it's smaller. |
| 03:49.25 | Lopeppeppy | Don't forget to run your site through some contrast evaluators, white on dark isn't very user friendly all the time. |
| 03:50.30 | |pez| | Lopeppeppy: I'm adding a white background, and makign the text darkish grey. |
| 03:50.35 | |pez| | I just haven't gotten that far yet. |
| 04:00.24 | Shirik | I take it back, Century Gothic is an ITC font, surprisingly |
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| 04:07.53 | Wobin | ding 80 DK! |
| 04:08.03 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah, Wobin. |
| 04:08.09 | Wobin | ... now what? =P |
| 04:08.13 | Wobin | I really enjoyed the levelling |
| 04:08.43 | mikma | wobin: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 04:08.43 | sacarasc | create another one on a different realm? |
| 04:08.46 | sacarasc | do it all again |
| 04:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | Do it again. |
| 04:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | [Fredvsbob] says: i hate you great father winter[Fredvsbob] says: !@#$ER[Fredvsbob] says: you son of a %^&*! |
| 04:09.02 | mikma | wobin: check out what haste is doing, going after lvl77 |
| 04:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoever this guy is, standing in front of Greatfather Winter |
| 04:09.12 | ScytheBlade1 | He really hates the guy |
| 04:10.02 | Wobin | hm, now I need an 80 unholy tanking spec |
| 04:11.31 | sacarasc | click randomly at the talents window until you have no talents points left? |
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| 04:11.38 | sacarasc | that's how i get my specs! |
| 04:13.23 | Wobin | Corpse Explosion vs one point in Necrosis or Virulence |
| 04:13.58 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN peoples, time for good Peppy to go dream of sugarplums. |
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| 04:14.45 | haste | mikma: actually, I'm watching the IT crowd right now |
| 04:17.31 | mikma | wobin: CE will prolly rock in 3.0.8 |
| 04:18.01 | Wobin | rly? |
| 04:18.16 | mikma | havent you seen the changes? |
| 04:23.54 | mikma | god damnit |
| 04:24.23 | mikma | wow needs another brilliant resource site than mmo-champion |
| 04:24.37 | Wobin | yeah |
| 04:24.40 | mikma | that site is the killer of handhels devices |
| 04:24.40 | Wobin | digging back is painful |
| 04:24.56 | Wobin | Corpse Explosion damage has been doubled (from 220 to 443 for Rank 5). Now requires 40 runic power instead of 1 Unholy Rune and has a 5 seconds cooldown. |
| 04:25.20 | mikma | the mainpage takes 1min to load, which after results a 2min freeze for device not responding |
| 04:25.36 | mikma | but you found it! |
| 04:25.45 | mikma | also, the glyoh? |
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| 04:28.29 | Wobin | for chaining CEs |
| 04:28.31 | Wobin | ? |
| 04:28.58 | Wobin | hmf |
| 04:29.12 | Wobin | EJ -used- to have a nice tanking unholy build topic |
| 04:29.22 | Amarande | heh, good old CE |
| 04:29.31 | mikma | d2 <3 |
| 04:29.33 | iewnait | hi,does anybody knows how to make a mouseover event |
| 04:29.42 | Amarande | I still remember only having the courage to fight Hell Nihlathak with one of my characters in particular |
| 04:29.47 | mikma | necromancer with enigma. priceless |
| 04:29.54 | Amarande | and that would be my Barb, who had 3300 or so HP with Battle Orders |
| 04:30.15 | mikma | barbarian, whirlwind, iron maiden |
| 04:30.17 | Amarande | everyone else was using their duped runes ... I took pride in my fully legitimate Immortal King set |
| 04:30.24 | mikma | whats the result? |
| 04:30.38 | Amarande | mikma: grraaaahhhhh! |
| 04:30.44 | mikma | =D |
| 04:30.51 | Amarande | that's why you use zerk around OKs though |
| 04:30.54 | Amarande | because it's not OK to WW the OKs |
| 04:30.55 | haste | the it crowd, so awesome :D |
| 04:31.22 | mikma | my friend showed me how to play hardcore barbarian |
| 04:31.36 | mikma | whirlwind -> dead. char was 96 |
| 04:31.48 | mikma | i laughed a little inside |
| 04:32.35 | mikma | also, he had a d2 classic character he was really proud. |
| 04:33.08 | mikma | he wanted to show it to me -> click the upgrade character -> again i laughed a little inside |
| 04:33.33 | mikma | hes the pro of giving those priceless moments |
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| 04:38.30 | jack_stev | hi guys, anyone know whether there is a mouse over event in wow? just wondering how the lfg ui have a pop up when u mouse over a person in the lfg system |
| 04:38.50 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 04:38.58 | Amarande | am I thinking correctly that moths are now superior to cats as pets? |
| 04:39.24 | mikma | amarande: how come? |
| 04:39.43 | mikma | jack_stev: see how tooltip-mods do it |
| 04:41.06 | jack_stev | ty mikma |
| 04:41.58 | mikma | wobin: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info11940-WintergraspTimer.html#info - wanna bet when i get the first whines about the debugprints i left in ;) |
| 04:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, okay... anyone know how to set frame sizes relative to the frame's parent? |
| 04:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I set this frame to <RelDimension x="0.5" y="1" />, parented the frame, and well |
| 04:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It took the dimensions of the screen as what the size is relative to, which is totally not what I expected/wanted |
| 04:43.14 | mikma | wont that move the frame a bit? |
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| 04:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, fixed sizes it is |
| 04:48.51 | mikma | scytheblade1: somehow i think you are missing parent=myframe in that part |
| 04:49.11 | mikma | scytheblade1: and without it, the addon uses uiparent |
| 04:49.36 | mikma | so 0.5 right ans 1 up from uiparent? |
| 04:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: In fact I know I'm not for two reasons |
| 04:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | One, this frame is nested in a fixed-size Frame, under <Frames> |
| 04:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Two, I even set the parent manually just to be sure |
| 04:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Same result |
| 04:50.31 | mikma | i hope you dont setpoint it in lua without clearing? |
| 04:51.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Lua isn't manipulating any of these frames |
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| 04:51.34 | mikma | then gz! you coded a bug ;) |
| 04:51.43 | mikma | naw fix iiiiit |
| 04:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:52.59 | mikma | surely addons work as they are coded, game has no bug lololo |
| 04:53.19 | Amarande | soo ... |
| 04:53.24 | Amarande | since this info seems to be hard to find |
| 04:53.34 | Amarande | what's the max ilvl weapon that accepts wizard oil? |
| 04:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 199 |
| 04:53.54 | mikma | 06:22am - 0.6°C |
| 04:53.55 | Amarande | ah, so it won't be useless till I raid, then |
| 04:54.08 | mikma | should i sleep with window open or not |
| 04:54.34 | mikma | the cool fresh air is good but people are waking up and making noises outside |
| 04:54.44 | mikma | also trains start passing soon |
| 04:56.46 | ccox | pez =- what white text? |
| 04:58.23 | mikma | ccox: its the text that burns crosses and wears capes |
| 04:58.31 | mikma | it hates the black text |
| 04:59.35 | mikma | so i was gonna buy the dark knight dvd today |
| 04:59.59 | mikma | my wife told me she bought me a small xmas gift earlier |
| 05:00.22 | mikma | so, i asked "i hope you didnt buy the batman for me?" |
| 05:00.38 | mikma | oh man the "i will stab you in left nut" look |
| 05:01.06 | Corrodias | -the- batman |
| 05:01.24 | mikma | 'why do you have to do that every xmas' |
| 05:01.44 | mikma | "would it have been cool if i would have bought it again today" |
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| 05:02.11 | Corrodias | speaking of which, i need to think up a gift for my mother |
| 05:02.25 | mikma | 'now i'll give you some cash and you go buy something small for yourself and act surprised when you open it' |
| 05:03.57 | mikma | so, couple of hours ago when she got the desperate housewifes box she bought today she gave the dvd to me |
| 05:04.19 | mikma | i was like "oh cool, this is awesome! thank you my love" |
| 05:04.59 | mikma | and her smile replaced the disappointment she had =D |
| 05:06.29 | Amarande | you know, I've never understood why the KKK burns crosses |
| 05:06.43 | Amarande | after all, from what I understand, in order to belong to the KKK, you have to be a practicing Protestant Christian |
| 05:06.49 | Amarande | which means, wouldn't that be blasphemy? |
| 05:07.30 | mikma | thats... |
| 05:07.34 | mikma | a good point |
| 05:07.51 | mikma | ~kkk |
| 05:07.51 | purl | this factoid is closed |
| 05:08.07 | mikma | lolo |
| 05:08.19 | mikma | ~kfc |
| 05:08.49 | mikma | purl: kfc is <reply> this factoid is also closed |
| 05:08.49 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 05:09.33 | mikma | wikipedia to the rescue |
| 05:10.48 | Codayus | "The Klan, however, states that it is not destroying the cross, but "lighting" it, as a symbol of the members' faith. [4]" |
| 05:10.56 | Codayus | Where would we be without wikipedia... |
| 05:12.42 | Dewin | I agree. Where would we be? ~~~~ |
| 05:13.30 | mikma | err |
| 05:13.40 | mikma | lightened cross |
| 05:13.58 | mikma | remember that word kids when you are burning down churchs! |
| 05:14.09 | mikma | "i was just lighting it" |
| 05:14.23 | mikma | "to prove my faith" |
| 05:14.51 | Corrodias | how else will the bad people see it in the dark if it isn't lighted? |
| 05:15.50 | mikma | yes! |
| 05:19.31 | |pez| | ccox: the one that used to be there, before I started editing stuff again? :P |
| 05:19.43 | ccox | pez - ah, ok |
| 05:20.09 | |pez| | the text will now be... grey |
| 05:20.19 | |pez| | since I fixed the white-on-white |
| 05:20.33 | Amarande | heh, I'm actually listening to one of the songs that inspired an achievement name right now |
| 05:20.45 | Amarande | "we ... will all gooo down ... together ..." |
| 05:21.27 | |pez| | what achievement is that? |
| 05:21.32 | Wobin | =\ |
| 05:21.36 | Wobin | 521 def |
| 05:22.00 | Amarande | |pez|: defeat the 4 horsemen in naxx within 15 seconds of each other |
| 05:22.15 | |pez| | Oooh |
| 05:22.23 | |pez| | sounds difficult actually 0.o |
| 05:23.03 | Amarande | |pez|: not as much as it might seem |
| 05:23.09 | Amarande | they only have to *die* all within a 15 second timeframe |
| 05:23.26 | Shirik | is anyone watching Adult Swim right now |
| 05:23.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:23.54 | |pez| | Oh, so if you beat them simultaniously, and make sure they're mostly at the same HP... |
| 05:23.56 | Tekkub | I stopped watching AS years ago |
| 05:23.58 | |pez| | riight |
| 05:24.31 | Amarande | I quit watching Adult Swim when I realized it was always the SAME episode of Cowboy Bebop every time :S |
| 05:24.47 | Tekkub | uh, AS != anime :P |
| 05:24.58 | Shirik | I wish AS went back to anime :( |
| 05:25.00 | Amarande | <3 Bebop, but ... Gateway Shuffle EVERY TIME is a bit excessive |
| 05:25.14 | Tekkub | and of corse it was, CB was what, 25 eps? |
| 05:25.27 | Corrodias | probably 26, that's a standard full-length anime season |
| 05:25.33 | Tekkub | or 22 |
| 05:25.50 | Corrodias | i think 13 and 26 are the most common. there are variations, but i'm not sure why |
| 05:25.51 | Tekkub | damn you Dennou COil |
| 05:25.57 | Amarande | hm |
| 05:26.02 | Amarande | why does my warlock have more mana than health *again* |
| 05:26.07 | Tekkub | I miss Dennou Coil /cry |
| 05:26.21 | Tekkub | I've honestly not found new anime I like since then |
| 05:26.27 | sacarasc | i never finished watching Dennou Coil, just kinda got bored of it |
| 05:26.35 | Tekkub | and Narto/Bleach are just soap opera anime |
| 05:26.55 | Corrodias | i might want to see one of those some time |
| 05:27.09 | Tekkub | Dennou certainly didn't end in a big OMG brainsplosion of action, but they did tie everything up nicely |
| 05:27.18 | Tekkub | and make you feel sad for the digidoggie |
| 05:27.47 | Amarande | warlocks are supposed to have more health than mana, right? |
| 05:28.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No? |
| 05:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | They're supposed to have more health than say, a mage |
| 05:28.22 | Tekkub | see now, I'd play a lock if I could name my voidwalker Satchii |
| 05:28.27 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin <--- current gear |
| 05:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | But that doesn't mean less mana than health |
| 05:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Leveling in odd gear |
| 05:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's fine |
| 05:29.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 80 in raid gear? Won't be the same picture |
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| 05:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you'd be disgusted, I'm almost up to 20kB of .xml |
| 05:49.59 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:50.04 | Shirik | You have no idea what I just went through |
| 05:50.15 | Shirik | want to see my code? It's either incredibly elegant or incredibly moronic. |
| 05:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | This is true |
| 05:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Language? |
| 05:50.38 | Shirik | Java |
| 05:50.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, why not |
| 05:52.03 | Shirik | This code allows all modules to supply XML configuration data, storing all configuration for both the global application as well as modules in a single configuration file. If one module fails, it discards that module's configuration and loads everyone else's. |
| 05:52.04 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/104696-26ja |
| 05:52.13 | Shirik | Reading wasn't a major problem, it was providing a secure writing mechanism that was the hard part |
| 05:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of imports |
| 05:53.38 | Shirik | yes it is >< |
| 05:54.42 | Shirik | I especially like the redundant part that starts at line 532 |
| 05:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Support namespaces! |
| 05:55.20 | Shirik | Problem is I don't think I understand XML enough to do that |
| 05:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Well then maybe not |
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| 05:59.49 | Shirik | sad thing is it's already 3260 lines and none of the "connect to server" work has been done yet. But the idea is that once the base component is done, everything else will be a piece of cake (in theory |
| 06:00.07 | Shirik | It's looking like it's close to alpha though |
| 06:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Theory! |
| 06:03.26 | duaiwe | >.> fighting to the first boss in nexus.. and he's -not there- |
| 06:03.37 | Amarande | duaiwe: did you go the right way? |
| 06:03.47 | Amarande | you know you can go around nexus in multiple directions |
| 06:03.52 | NightHawkTheSane | .. we're not idiots |
| 06:03.53 | Amarande | did your noob PUG go the wrong way? |
| 06:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | this is a guild heroic run |
| 06:04.04 | Amarande | ah. |
| 06:04.05 | NightHawkTheSane | the boss is -not- there |
| 06:04.09 | Amarande | odd. |
| 06:04.18 | Amarande | sure your group leader wasn't saved? |
| 06:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | no one in the group is saved. the trash & aura before the boss is still up |
| 06:04.49 | Amarande | odd. |
| 06:04.55 | NightHawkTheSane | no shit |
| 06:05.13 | Amarande | the only thing I would have been able to suspect would be that your group leader was saved from an earlier pug, and the boss was dead already |
| 06:06.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, not the case. |
| 06:07.28 | NightHawkTheSane | keristrasza's gone too. wtf |
| 06:08.19 | |pez| | lol |
| 06:08.32 | Codayus | fail |
| 06:08.34 | Arrowmaster | you did /raidinfo and your 100% sure your not locked? |
| 06:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 06:08.55 | Arrowmaster | leave and reform the group to force a soft reset |
| 06:08.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, we |
| 06:09.02 | NightHawkTheSane | we're doing that |
| 06:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | that worked. crazy bug |
| 06:10.02 | Amarande | yeah, I don't think I've -ever- seen that happen |
| 06:10.13 | Tem | Arrowmaster, you're |
| 06:10.22 | Amarande | and yeah, the aura is definitely probably evidence that no one was saved |
| 06:10.29 | NightHawkTheSane | we've been getting instance server errors, so i expect something just blew up |
| 06:10.32 | Amarande | I was going to say the trash isn't evidence because trash repops eventually |
| 06:10.47 | NightHawkTheSane | not the frayers |
| 06:16.03 | Dewin | Question: Are WoW accounts restricted by region, or just the clients? |
| 06:16.18 | Dewin | i.e. if someone in the EU buys WoW, is it at all possible for them to use that account on US servers? |
| 06:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 06:19.08 | |pez| | Well, if they buy the USian WoW, I'll assume you can. |
| 06:19.13 | |pez| | I don't know. |
| 06:19.34 | Dewin | So EU accounts won't work with the US client and vice versa? |
| 06:19.36 | |pez| | but wouldn't make sense to do anything else than clientrestrictions. |
| 06:19.42 | Dewin | instead of, say, the EU client simply not working? |
| 06:19.43 | |pez| | Don't think so, no. |
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| 06:20.04 | Dewin | My sister-in-law has a friend in Spain she wants to Recruit-a-friend |
| 06:20.28 | |pez| | then your sister in law will have to get EU WoW for it to apply, I assume. |
| 06:20.34 | Dewin | I figure that'll work since the RAF link will be tied to the USian version. |
| 06:20.42 | Dewin | but her friend in Spain won't be able to play on EU servers just US |
| 06:20.52 | |pez| | Ooh, right |
| 06:20.54 | |pez| | other way aruond |
| 06:22.10 | |pez| | that makes sense to me anyway. |
| 06:22.38 | |pez| | I could ofcourse try out someones in the USs username / pass with my EU client. ;P |
| 06:23.27 | Dewin | what the heck is the EU WoW site anyways? |
| 06:23.42 | Dewin | oh, wow-europe.com |
| 06:23.48 | |pez| | wow-europe.com ^^ |
| 06:24.14 | Dewin | my password doesn't owrk for the manage account page there, so that pretty much confirms it |
| 06:26.20 | |pez| | It confirms that you don't have a EU account. |
| 06:26.27 | |pez| | but it doesn't confirm that you can't use the EU client. |
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| 06:31.17 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:31.29 | Amarande | more forum talk about why the hot apple cider should be removed from the winter veil achievement |
| 06:31.38 | Amarande | it seems to center around one specific sort of player |
| 06:32.40 | Amarande | pirates, mainly |
| 06:32.52 | Amarande | pirates who didn't have artisan cooking before winter veil |
| 06:36.21 | smcn | i'm quite sure they already stated it was being removed from the meta |
| 06:36.35 | smcn | i should really bookmarks bluetracker posts like that |
| 06:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 06:39.20 | Codayus | Mmm, didn't see a blue post on it, except for one by Bornakk which implied they won't be fixing it... |
| 06:39.42 | Codayus | (Well, fix implies a bug, which this isn't really. Pirates can always grind goblin rep...) |
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| 06:44.36 | Tekkub | I fail to see the problem |
| 06:45.00 | Tekkub | pirates made their choice for their retarded hat |
| 06:45.25 | Tekkub | the druid left |
| 06:45.28 | Tekkub | mt |
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| 06:45.50 | Codayus | It's not *hard* to grind goblin rep back. You can even do it without making the pirates hate you. ...it's just time consuming, but if you cared about that, you should never have started with the pirate thing. |
| 06:47.14 | AbsoRayne | @_@ |
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| 06:56.56 | Dezzimal | is there a way to link the different levels of heirloom gear? |
| 06:58.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, if you modify the item link |
| 06:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It contains the player level within it |
| 06:58.16 | Dezzimal | I'm at a loss for which part of the link contains the player level |
| 06:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Paste one here and I'll tell you |
| 06:58.53 | Arrowmaster | the last afaik |
| 06:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 06:59.20 | Dezzimal | 124Hitem:42949:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 |
| 06:59.26 | Dezzimal | polished spaulders of valor |
| 06:59.29 | Dezzimal | at 80 |
| 06:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | From in-game? |
| 06:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not from wowhead? |
| 06:59.53 | Dezzimal | yeah thats from wowhead :/ |
| 07:00.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That's your problem |
| 07:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Get it in-game and it'll happily tell you |
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| 07:09.44 | ScytheBlade1 | If I have frame B parented to frame A, will B's OnLoad fire first? |
| 07:12.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like yes, yey |
| 07:16.40 | Amarande | you know, there's one problem with heirloom gear |
| 07:16.46 | Amarande | are heirloom ranged weapons ever worth buying, at all? |
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| 07:17.30 | Amarande | it just seems those are worthless, simply because you cannot ever attach even the crappiest of scopes |
| 07:18.21 | Duman | ack |
| 07:18.24 | Duman | fucking AT&T |
| 07:18.30 | Duman | now I cant' even get to the auth servers |
| 07:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh bah, the scripts are run before the frames can be referenced by lua -.- |
| 07:21.33 | Amarande | yay, vodka |
| 07:21.39 | Amarande | man |
| 07:21.46 | Amarande | if only drunkenness 24/7 was acceptable in society, I'd be right on it |
| 07:22.34 | Amarande | after I finish killing off my frontal lobe with liquor, I should be sane lol |
| 07:23.57 | Amarande | Scythe, Duman, do you ever wish that it was permitted to be drunk anywhere and everywhere? |
| 07:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't drink |
| 07:29.42 | Amarande | I've been drinking increasingly heavily of late, though I have made an absolute promise to myself to stop as soon as I'm prescribed proper meds for my mental conditions |
| 07:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That totally explains quite a bit :P |
| 07:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | No offense |
| 07:37.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, actually reading the line |
| 07:37.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I meant the alcohol :P |
| 07:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | (This is the point in time where I close my mouth) |
| 07:38.54 | Amarande | Scythe: yeah, I've had issues for years now, mainly anxiety and depression related |
| 07:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *nod* |
| 07:39.26 | Amarande | in 04 I thought I could get away from the constant medication grind ... it didn't work |
| 07:39.31 | Amarande | so I'm going back on the 30th |
| 07:39.39 | Amarande | hopefully with a better doctor this time |
| 07:40.54 | Amarande | sometimes I wish I knew why it was my brain that was sentenced to working incorrectly |
| 07:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You and millions of other people :) |
| 07:43.38 | Amarande | I also sometimes think that if being constantly blotto was acceptable, I would rely on alcohol as my medication of choice instead |
| 07:43.46 | Amarande | although, given the cost of liquor, that might actually not be cost effective in the end |
| 07:44.19 | Amarande | let's see ... $30 for a bottle of quality booze vs. $10 for proper, actually right for my brain meds. |
| 07:44.58 | Amarande | maybe $20, since if it's anything like last time I'll probably be put on both an antidepressant and an antipsychotic |
| 07:50.12 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 07:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | the difference is the alcohol is more fun, and tastes b etter |
| 07:52.49 | Amarande | well, yeah. I'm gonna miss the alcohol |
| 07:53.09 | Amarande | but at least I should in the future have a properly functioning brain |
| 07:53.14 | Amarande | I'll probably still QQ, though |
| 07:53.14 | Amarande | heh |
| 07:53.20 | NightHawkTheSane | undoubtedly |
| 07:53.24 | NightHawkTheSane | properly functioning brains are overrated |
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| 07:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd rather be dysfunctional and pleasantly toasted than functional and sobe |
| 07:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | r |
| 07:54.20 | NightHawkTheSane | at least drunk, I can better ignore the rest of the world |
| 07:54.23 | Amarande | Night: I used to think that for several years |
| 07:54.38 | Amarande | but then I recently had a relapse of mental illness that taught me otherwise |
| 07:54.54 | NightHawkTheSane | really? see, it was the mental illness that made me think that in the first placce |
| 07:55.47 | Amarande | well, I sought help in 2002 ... but after a couple years of dealing with having to foot the whole bill for the meds due to the ridiculous way my insurance worked then I wandered off them |
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| 07:56.08 | Amarande | like ... I had to actually HAVE the whole cost of the meds THEN, and then send in for a freaking rebate |
| 07:56.17 | Amarande | these days, I have a copay for prescriptions |
| 07:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, see. i don't believe in medication for "mental illness" |
| 07:57.41 | Amarande | I didn't used to |
| 07:57.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i barely believe i medication period, though |
| 07:58.16 | Amarande | however, mental abnormalities usually ARE chemical imbalances in the brain |
| 07:58.39 | NightHawkTheSane | feh. everything's a fucking chemical imbalance. |
| 07:59.00 | Amarande | I know, I'm not my fucking khakis, but I'd rather my brain work properly |
| 07:59.29 | Corrodias | indeed it is, and it can be altered by injecting chemicals |
| 07:59.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd rather not spend money for what amounts to prescription hallucinagens. :p |
| 07:59.59 | Corrodias | your choice |
| 08:00.11 | Corrodias | *injesting, not injecting. so similar are the words. |
| 08:00.51 | NightHawkTheSane | same difference anyway |
| 08:00.52 | Corrodias | improving someone's life is worth the research and effort, i think. |
| 08:01.10 | Corrodias | of course it isn't free |
| 08:01.58 | NightHawkTheSane | don't get me wrong. i'm not against research, or other people shooting up. i just prefer the 'mind over body' solution, in general |
| 08:02.54 | Amarande | Night: I tried that from 2004-2008 |
| 08:03.01 | Amarande | realized it wasn't adequate, so back to the doctor I go |
| 08:03.06 | Corrodias | i certainly favor that when it's possible, and i'm sure it is in a number of cases. |
| 08:04.15 | Amarande | with any luck, of course, the liquor will give me a chemical lobotomy |
| 08:04.46 | Corrodias | i hope people don't resort to medication immediately, but i'm very glad it's there for those who do need it. there are so many things that can go wrong with a body, and the brain is probably the most complex part... |
| 08:05.33 | Corrodias | we're just a chemical soup held together with tubes and wires |
| 08:05.44 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, its the one that we're most willing to tinker with, chemically, despite knowing the least about it. |
| 08:05.48 | NightHawkTheSane | that.. bothers me. |
| 08:06.12 | Corrodias | most willing? well, maybe it's the one that is hardest to change in any other way. |
| 08:07.26 | Corrodias | heh, lobotomies had their day of popularity in the 1960's. they had a hammer and everything looked like a nail. so to speak. more they had an ice pick and everything looked like an issue that could be fixed with a little brain damage. |
| 08:07.37 | |pez| | I'm soort of hoping the doctor puts me on some mild happypill. |
| 08:08.14 | Amarande | Corrodias: a number of current antipsychotic drugs do work by poisoning parts of the brain to destroy them |
| 08:08.18 | Amarande | so they're like a lobotomy in a sense |
| 08:08.47 | Corrodias | :) that sure sounds strange. i haven't seen the research behind such efforts, or their effects, though. |
| 08:10.03 | Amarande | Corrodias: I presume certain portions of the brain are responsible for certain negative psychological reactions |
| 08:10.15 | Amarande | so when said portions of the brain die, such reactions stop |
| 08:10.52 | NightHawkTheSane | (and killing off parts of your brain is -brilliant-) |
| 08:10.57 | Corrodias | interesting. if there's no better way, and i'm sure they'll have tried other things first, then i can't argue. |
| 08:11.10 | Corrodias | i do hope better ways show up soon. |
| 08:11.14 | Amarande | Corrodias: I think there may not be a better way |
| 08:11.19 | Amarande | especially for folks over 25 |
| 08:11.30 | Amarande | by then, your brain paths have fully myelinated |
| 08:11.49 | Amarande | which means the only way to excise part that epicfails is to kill it |
| 08:11.59 | Corrodias | i don't advocate permanent damage like that, but we do what is necessary to survive. |
| 08:12.09 | Amarande | Corr: that we do |
| 08:12.15 | Amarande | just like we endure instances like shattered halls |
| 08:12.16 | Amarande | heh |
| 08:12.28 | Corrodias | i think i'd rather have the lobotamy... |
| 08:12.34 | Amarande | or was it shadow laby that sucked |
| 08:12.37 | Amarande | now I can't remember |
| 08:12.41 | Corrodias | <insert dungeon here> |
| 08:12.45 | Amarande | I'm beyond drunk |
| 08:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | they were both awesome |
| 08:12.56 | Corrodias | i had my fill of them all |
| 08:13.03 | Amarande | I used to hate shattered halls but eventually it grew on me |
| 08:13.04 | NightHawkTheSane | that too |
| 08:13.11 | Amarande | though the God damned warlock gloves never dropped :( |
| 08:13.43 | Corrodias | my least favorite would be... what was it called |
| 08:13.49 | Amarande | Corr: Mara? |
| 08:14.01 | Amarande | actually, I liked the design of Mara ... it just sucked to play in |
| 08:14.15 | Corrodias | i meant of the higher-level ones. heroic auchindoun crypts, probably. |
| 08:14.20 | Amarande | heh |
| 08:14.26 | Amarande | I actually liked Auchenai Crypts |
| 08:14.28 | Corrodias | i didn't like the way enemies spawned after the pull. |
| 08:14.35 | Amarande | its rewards are pretty anemic, but it's a fun dungeon at least |
| 08:14.59 | Corrodias | the skeleton pulls at the end were almost worth the effort, though |
| 08:15.07 | Amarande | shadow lab was probably worst |
| 08:15.14 | Amarande | mostly because getting a good group for it was hard |
| 08:16.14 | Corrodias | levelling my hunter between raids on my druid, it was impossible to find a group for any dungeon sub-60. i had to do ramparts with him completely green. how embarassing. even in outland it was tough. |
| 08:16.23 | Corrodias | (not in greens, i mean inexperienced) |
| 08:16.36 | Amarande | It took me two weeks to get groups for the instances for my dreadsteed quest as a lock |
| 08:17.14 | Amarande | Literally, I decided to farm the spellbinders while I was needing to go to Scholomance, as a means of being near if I did get a group |
| 08:17.23 | Amarande | and I got Crusader by the time I got a group |
| 08:17.35 | Corrodias | i was one of those people who would spend my night helping someone do that sort of thing. ugh. the pain... |
| 08:17.39 | Amarande | because I refused to go to outland without my 100% mount |
| 08:17.57 | Amarande | I was literally level 62 when I first quested outland on my lock then |
| 08:18.04 | Amarande | and that was BEFORE the 3.0 xp nerf |
| 08:18.33 | Corrodias | that reminds me. on my druid, when i got to 60 and the guild was just a short way into ZG, i kept trying to go into dungeons to gear up. i was a healer, and i had a list of dungeons i wanted to do, scholo and strat among them |
| 08:19.03 | Corrodias | eventually, my guildmates convinced me to just raid in what i had, after i was unable to find a group for weeks. i never stepped foot inside scholomance or stratholme before BC. |
| 08:19.16 | Amarande | sad |
| 08:19.23 | Amarande | scholo is one of the most fun dungeons in the game |
| 08:19.29 | Corrodias | and this was asking for PUGs as well as guild groups |
| 08:19.40 | Amarande | it also has the highest number of bosses of ANY dungeon still I think |
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| 08:23.26 | Corrodias | okay, i'm going back to watching this show. bye |
| 08:26.22 | Shirik | I grow nervous when IDE wizards generate code with warnings in them |
| 08:26.31 | Shirik | especially when the IDE doesn't let you change the code to fix the warning :P |
| 08:29.21 | ccox | that wouldn't make me nervous - that would make me ditch the IDE |
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| 09:41.24 | cladhaire | so |
| 09:41.26 | cladhaire | i dont understand you way to program. you are not clear whit you code!! |
| 09:41.28 | cladhaire | there for you change it all time, plz be clear whit your code!! |
| 09:41.32 | cladhaire | Just got that in a comment |
| 09:41.52 | cladhaire | I feel... proud? |
| 09:42.14 | nevcairiel | I would feel confused |
| 09:42.59 | Tekkub | uhm... |
| 09:43.23 | Tekkub | "I don't understand your code because it's constantly evolving and I've reached my evolutionary limit"? |
| 09:43.39 | cladhaire | My response: |
| 09:43.39 | cladhaire | I have been told numerous times that my code is extremely clear to read. Also this addon wasn't written for you to read how its done, it was written for you to use it. Not sure what you want. |
| 09:43.41 | cladhaire | Also, I have difficulty understanding your grasp of the written English language, you are not very clear with your thoughts. You present fragments of sentences without any details or further information which makes actually taking action based upon your reports very difficult. |
| 09:44.22 | Zyndrome | you're gonna get a reply reading "what?" :( |
| 09:44.36 | Tekkub | sentence fragments, what? |
| 09:44.49 | Tekkub | I don't do that |
| 09:44.55 | Olorin | if thats the kinda e-mails you get I think ill keep my addons to myself lol jk |
| 09:44.55 | Tekkub | you crazy |
| 09:45.01 | cladhaire | haha |
| 09:45.33 | Tekkub | I would have just said "I charge $20 for support, if you'd like my paypal address let me know" |
| 09:45.39 | Tekkub | *$20/hr |
| 09:46.04 | Fisker- | only $20? |
| 09:46.08 | cladhaire | UR PAYPAL IS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND! |
| 09:46.29 | Olorin | probbaly get a reply saying "Wut?" |
| 09:46.34 | Tekkub | $20 is more than enough to scare them away |
| 09:48.31 | Fisker- | Alexstrazsa grant me [Betrayer of Humanity] |
| 09:52.13 | ZorbaTHut | cladhaire, I got an email from someone demanding that I help him get QuestHelper working on his computer, offering that if I got it working and he decided it was useful, he might be willing to donate |
| 09:52.26 | cladhaire | hah |
| 09:52.30 | cladhaire | I get that ALL the time |
| 09:52.42 | ZorbaTHut | note that "might" was emphasized. :) |
| 09:52.43 | Tekkub | " |
| 09:52.53 | cladhaire | its normally of the form "THIS ADDON IS USELESS BECUZ IT DOESNT INSTALL RIGHT" |
| 09:53.01 | Tekkub | "Oh that sounds like a great deal, give me your street address and I'll be over soon" |
| 09:53.02 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I get that one all the time |
| 09:53.04 | cladhaire | the donation "promise" I've only gotten once or twice tho :P |
| 09:53.08 | ZorbaTHut | "y does everyone like this addon it doesnt work" |
| 09:53.10 | Tekkub | then use your donations to hire a hitman |
| 09:53.59 | Tekkub | oddly enough, I don't really get idiots that can't install things |
| 09:54.29 | Tekkub | I just get jackasses that report a bug, I fix it and mark the issue fixed, then they open a new bug before I release the fix |
| 09:54.40 | Tekkub | then get bitchy when I close that as invalid |
| 09:55.31 | ZorbaTHut | I'm going to have a horrible mess when I go through my tickets again :( |
| 09:55.34 | Tekkub | DID YOU INSTALL A NEW VERSION OF THE ADDON? NO? THEN HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU HAVE GOTTEN MY FIX AND KNOW IT DIDN'T WORK? *stab stab stab stab stab* |
| 09:55.49 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, this is why I rigged my error dumps to include the addon version |
| 09:55.53 | Olorin | hmm just fiddling with a bit of code that uses BAG_UPDATE and it fired the event with arg -4 and -5, according to the documentation I see it only goes to -2 being the keyring container... odd |
| 09:56.02 | Tekkub | I don't need the addon version |
| 09:56.10 | ZorbaTHut | you wouldn't believe how often I get "I have the newest version, here is the error: Version: INCREDIBLY OLD VERSION" |
| 09:56.30 | Tekkub | plus there's a big disclaimer on my issue tracker that if they don't fill out EVERYTHING I might just close their issue |
| 09:56.39 | ZorbaTHut | I *still* get people complaining that the version that *did not include Wrath support* doesn't work under Wrath |
| 09:56.43 | Tekkub | not mah problem you can't follow directions! |
| 09:57.29 | MoonWolf | so ANGRY over USERS. |
| 09:57.52 | Tekkub | just the idiot ones |
| 09:58.05 | Tekkub | that flaut their idiocy |
| 09:58.18 | cladhaire | I FLAUT MY BODY |
| 09:58.22 | cladhaire | CUZ ITS HOT |
| 09:58.27 | Tekkub | no, it's not |
| 09:58.32 | Tekkub | it's like, all gay |
| 09:58.42 | cladhaire | tekkub, you only love me when you want poonanny |
| 09:59.08 | Tekkub | I only love you when, uh, there's a chance you'll do something for me |
| 09:59.13 | Tekkub | that's been a while |
| 09:59.42 | cladhaire | damnit |
| 09:59.43 | cladhaire | constant table overflow |
| 09:59.44 | cladhaire | =( |
| 10:03.14 | cladhaire | that is going to make parsing the quest database much more difficult |
| 10:03.28 | cladhaire | tho it won't ever be as rich =( |
| 10:04.34 | cladhaire | http://fukung.net/v/11246/8e7685aeb03a65ef14f1b7a3726fd1c5.jpg |
| 10:06.01 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: thats why when somebody asks me for help with an error for anything i ask them to install bugsack if i cant figure out the error |
| 10:06.13 | Hjalte | cladhaire: That picture is not really moving, is it? :( |
| 10:06.24 | cladhaire | I don't think so |
| 10:06.35 | haste | optical illusion |
| 10:06.58 | haste | we have it on the bathroom tiles here |
| 10:06.58 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, that's why questhelper has a swatter-wannabe built in. ;) |
| 10:07.10 | haste | really funky to look at while your bored there :p |
| 10:07.18 | krka | gah, i hate pictures that my eyes refuse to focus properly |
| 10:07.27 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: you say wannabe because swatter sucks at getting the version numbers right |
| 10:07.56 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, I say wannabe because it intentionally ignores errors that aren't questhelper, and includes QH-specific info, and only (by design) allows you to see the first error |
| 10:08.43 | cladhaire | haste: that would be dangerous when stoned :P |
| 10:09.04 | Arrowmaster | do you do it with some sorta seterrorhandler hack or just wrap everything in pcall/xpcall ala KLHTreatMeter |
| 10:09.07 | cladhaire | Swatter always gets my version numbers right |
| 10:09.21 | ZorbaTHut | the exact same way swatter does, I think that's seterrorhandler |
| 10:09.29 | Arrowmaster | bugsack tells me embedded library versions |
| 10:09.47 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: Meh, that's |
| 10:09.52 | cladhaire | "your guys" problem, not mine :P |
| 10:09.56 | cladhaire | I get to blissfully ignore it! |
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| 10:14.58 | Arrowmaster | http://fukung.net/v/5941/INFINITE.gif |
| 10:18.04 | krka | that's a really annoying picture! |
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| 10:26.03 | Fisker- | fuck you Arrowmaster |
| 10:26.09 | Fisker- | You recieve loot: [Brain Damage] |
| 10:30.05 | sacarasc | never knew you had one to damage |
| 10:30.33 | Tekkub | some days I wonder why we keep Fisker- around |
| 10:30.48 | Tekkub | I mean, he's not even entertaining in his rage, like industrial is |
| 10:32.47 | Arrowmaster | http://fukung.net/v/3195/Checkershadow%20Illusion.jpg |
| 10:32.57 | Arrowmaster | i checked in mspaint, its true wtf! |
| 10:33.11 | cladhaire | wow |
| 10:33.13 | cladhaire | thats fuckd. |
| 10:33.25 | Arrowmaster | seriously |
| 10:36.26 | nevcairiel | my eyes, they deceive me! |
| 10:36.54 | Arrowmaster | http://fukung.net/v/3672/LegoEscher.jpg |
| 10:37.02 | Arrowmaster | and either thats fake or i want to know how to build one |
| 10:37.38 | Adys | anyone in here any good at bash scripting? |
| 10:37.55 | Adys | I want to convert a relative unix path into a windows-like wine path |
| 10:38.32 | Adys | eg foo stuff.txt => foo "Z:\home\adys\tmp\stuff.txt" |
| 10:39.04 | krka | Arrowmaster: http://www.andrewlipson.com/escher/ascending.html |
| 10:39.12 | krka | i googled it for you |
| 10:40.05 | Adys | krka: not bad but the illusion is visible |
| 10:40.57 | Arrowmaster | no its hidden really well |
| 10:41.15 | Adys | just take a step back and you can see the beige stuff is at the same level |
| 10:41.51 | Adys | also wtf? |
| 10:41.53 | Adys | Because The LEGO Company get paranoid about this sort of thing let me make it clear that I have no affiliation with them, that my views are my own and do not necessarily represent theirs, and so on. So if you think any of this is official you are as deluded as they are. |
| 10:42.23 | Dezzimal | Is there a way to link the actual spell that is cast on an item when you enchant it? |
| 10:42.27 | Dezzimal | or gem it for that matter |
| 10:42.45 | Adys | theres no spell cast when you gem an item |
| 10:44.07 | Dezzimal | Oh? I thought that enchantids were tied to linkable spells |
| 10:44.16 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:44.29 | Adys | nope |
| 10:44.31 | Arrowmaster | you have to build a map if you want to do that |
| 10:44.36 | Adys | they're not spells, they're enchants |
| 10:45.03 | Dezzimal | yeah I guess I need to put the enchant on an item and then read the text produced by it :/ |
| 10:45.11 | Adys | the enchant itself is a spell, but its not "stored" on the item |
| 10:45.31 | Adys | what do you want to do exactly? |
| 10:46.23 | Dezzimal | allow myself to look up enchants by id |
| 10:47.09 | Adys | get an empty item tooltip, like a plain letter |
| 10:47.19 | Tekkub | ah, wowhead blog's already writing advertising posts, nice |
| 10:47.30 | Tekkub | they should let us rate blog posts like we can comments |
| 10:47.41 | Adys | for each enchant id, set it on the item and parse the tooltip |
| 10:47.48 | Adys | if you get something store it in a table |
| 10:47.49 | Adys | save it |
| 10:47.50 | Adys | profit |
| 10:48.10 | Dezzimal | yeah thats what I'm going to do then |
| 10:51.06 | Adys | also yeah Tekkub |
| 10:51.22 | Adys | stopped reading their blog something around their 1st post |
| 10:51.45 | Tekkub | eh, I've ready up till now, not really been impressed with what I've read |
| 10:51.59 | Adys | Im not exactly sure why they want to copy wowinsider |
| 10:52.00 | Tekkub | like every other blog, it's 90% ramble |
| 10:52.10 | Adys | its not because they're wowhead that its gonna be better than it |
| 10:52.45 | Tekkub | *shrug* wowins wants in on wowhead's domain (database site) |
| 10:52.53 | Tekkub | granted they're only like 4 years slow at that |
| 10:53.04 | Tekkub | and I doubt they're making any progress :) |
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| 11:09.24 | zenzelezz | lua> (6000+12000+21000-25)/275 |
| 11:09.25 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 141.72727272727 |
| 11:10.17 | Fisker- | learn2calc |
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| 12:24.48 | Olorin | if you make a function and in the declarationg put function(arg1, arg2, arg3,...) does lua automatically continue this numbering sequence? or am I missunderstanding the purpose of ... |
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| 12:43.03 | Arrowmaster | you are misunderstanding the purpose of ... |
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| 12:57.53 | Adys | Olorin: ... is a list of the additional arguments passed to the function |
| 12:58.13 | Adys | use {...} if you want to access them |
| 12:59.32 | Wobin | note to self |
| 12:59.46 | Wobin | do not use opie's "Use Quest Item" while in midflight to see what you have available |
| 13:00.25 | zenzelezz | Wobin: why not? |
| 13:00.42 | zenzelezz | doesn't that only kill you if you have auto-dismount enabled also while in flight? |
| 13:00.48 | Wobin | yes |
| 13:12.58 | ReAn | hey |
| 13:13.02 | ReAn | on-demand addons |
| 13:13.08 | ReAn | can they be unloaded on demand too? |
| 13:13.18 | Wobin | not without a reload |
| 13:13.24 | ReAn | dang |
| 13:13.27 | ReAn | kk, thx |
| 13:14.04 | Fisker- | hohoho |
| 13:14.07 | Fisker- | i got betrayer of humanity |
| 13:16.22 | Gnarfoz | you and me both, Fisker- |
| 13:17.18 | Fisker- | We have a fury warrior |
| 13:17.25 | Fisker- | and he could've out-dkp'd me on 2 of them |
| 13:17.29 | Fisker- | but he wasn't on this run because of work |
| 13:17.29 | Fisker- | :D |
| 13:18.50 | Arrowmaster | Olorin, Adys: do not use {...}, use select(#, ...) |
| 13:19.06 | Adys | or that |
| 13:19.11 | Adys | depends what you need |
| 13:19.12 | Adys | afk again |
| 13:19.31 | Arrowmaster | never use {...} ever, it complete defeats the point of ... vs the old varargs method |
| 13:19.42 | foxlit | Eh, this makes no sense. |
| 13:19.53 | foxlit | 66.249.72.13 - - [20/Dec/2008:00:22:07 -0600] |
| 13:20.00 | foxlit | then 20 more times in the next 20 seconds. |
| 13:20.26 | Arrowmaster | apache logs? |
| 13:20.37 | Arrowmaster | never question what the virii are doing |
| 13:20.37 | foxlit | The IP is googlebot, but that's supposed to be waiting around 20 seconds between subsequent requests. |
| 13:20.59 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 13:22.34 | foxlit | Holy batman. 29937 out of 35822 logged requests in a day came from there. |
| 13:23.34 | foxlit | Which means I'm obviously looking at the wrong log :/ |
| 13:28.04 | cbreak | just an other proof that google is evil |
| 13:29.31 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: looking at the default vhost log or something? |
| 13:29.53 | foxlit | That's probably it, Arrow. |
| 13:30.19 | foxlit | For some reason, it's crawling through a URL that isn't intended, but I can't quite work out how it gets there in the first place. |
| 13:30.59 | Arrowmaster | stick a robots.txt in your default vhost |
| 13:31.14 | foxlit | Yes, and but. |
| 13:31.35 | foxlit | I'm having difficulty figuring out just exactly what it requests from to end up there. |
| 13:31.45 | foxlit | It's apparently not http://ip/ |
| 13:32.13 | Arrowmaster | ah, might need to up the logging detail |
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| 13:47.06 | Wobin | argh |
| 13:47.12 | Wobin | just as I start an instance |
| 13:47.18 | Wobin | my latency jumps to 2k |
| 13:47.23 | Wobin | and now I can't log back in |
| 13:48.56 | Wobin | ~ping |
| 13:48.56 | purl | ~pong |
| 13:49.12 | Wobin | anyone else having auth issues? |
| 13:49.51 | zenzelezz | <A Gnome Stole My Dignity>, horde guild o_O |
| 13:50.48 | Wobin | awrgh |
| 13:51.10 | Wobin | did someone backhoe the trunk again |
| 13:53.21 | Arrowmaster | backhoe? around here people dig up fiber lines and shoot them with shotguns |
| 13:53.28 | Arrowmaster | (not joking) |
| 13:54.27 | Wobin | CAuse they filled with INTERNET |
| 13:54.35 | Wobin | and we don't like that 'round here |
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| 13:54.51 | Wobin | grr, stuck at authenticating |
| 13:54.54 | Wobin | well.. |
| 13:54.59 | Wobin | at least it wasn't -mid- instance |
| 13:55.15 | Wobin | but I wanted to see Utgarde pinnicle |
| 13:58.20 | foxlit | Ended up disabling userdir apache module |
| 13:58.40 | foxlit | Now the default vhost log is just filled with 408 entries from... well-wishers. |
| 14:03.54 | Wobin | meh |
| 14:03.57 | Wobin | no such luck |
| 14:04.04 | Wobin | I hope they found a tank |
| 14:04.27 | foxlit | C'mon, realize that 404 means 410 already |
| 14:16.07 | Cide | if 404 is 410, why not raise 410? :P |
| 14:17.01 | foxlit | I'd have to do work to configure that :) |
| 14:22.22 | jnwhiteh | Wow, ZNC is really well written |
| 14:29.53 | Gnarfoz | that might be, but... irssi+irssi-proxy? :) |
| 14:30.48 | jnwhiteh | not so much |
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| 14:35.07 | foxlit | "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1" score! |
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| 14:45.58 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: I like having a simple detached daemon running, rather than irssi in a screen |
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| 14:46.06 | jnwhiteh | just personal preference :P |
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| 16:01.24 | |Jelly| | I've decided that they don't make Dwarf Paladins on my server anymore. |
| 16:01.58 | zenzelezz | been looking for a while, eh? |
| 16:02.08 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 16:02.19 | zenzelezz | PvE or PvP realm? |
| 16:02.22 | |Jelly| | Plenty of Dwarf Hunters |
| 16:02.24 | |Jelly| | pvp |
| 16:02.38 | zenzelezz | pity, otherwise you could've had a friend roll one |
| 16:02.42 | ZorbaTHut | if you wanted to cheese it, and you were on a US realm, I could go make a dwarf paladin on your server for you :) |
| 16:03.06 | |Jelly| | Might end up doing that tomorrow or tonight. Was just looking for one before work. :( |
| 16:03.22 | ZorbaTHut | I had trouble with orc death knight for some reason |
| 16:03.53 | Wobin | I only ever saw one other single female dwarf priest on AD |
| 16:04.08 | Wobin | and she had the flappy casting pigtails |
| 16:04.11 | Wobin | I was so jealous |
| 16:04.25 | zenzelezz | ah, dwarf priests... dealt the killing blow when everyone got Fear Ward |
| 16:04.39 | Wobin | sotrue |
| 16:05.44 | AbsoRayne | Good morning from Leduc, Alberta |
| 16:05.55 | AbsoRayne | The Current temperature is -35c. |
| 16:06.06 | Gnarfoz | wut |
| 16:06.30 | AbsoRayne | And theres a windchill, too. |
| 16:06.39 | Gnarfoz | also, why do US/other keyboards not have a degree key? |
| 16:06.39 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:06.45 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz my mortal enemy |
| 16:06.50 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: die |
| 16:06.59 | cbreak | US Keyboards have less keys than real keyboards. :) |
| 16:07.03 | Fisker- | your move Gnarfoz |
| 16:07.08 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing the degree symbol just sin't that commonly used |
| 16:07.21 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: mine has berserking, yours has crappy +AP, I win |
| 16:07.28 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:07.32 | cbreak | ° is on shift-§ here. |
| 16:07.32 | Fisker- | i don't has moneys for berserking |
| 16:07.41 | Fisker- | also i win when it procs and i oneshot you Gnarfoz |
| 16:07.44 | Gnarfoz | I stole the crystals from our 2nd 10man group |
| 16:07.50 | Fisker- | thief! |
| 16:07.57 | Gnarfoz | I paid em back in a week :P |
| 16:08.13 | Fisker- | also mats are supposed to be less in the next patch |
| 16:08.15 | Fisker- | so waiting for that |
| 16:08.19 | Gnarfoz | supposed to? |
| 16:08.24 | Gnarfoz | hahaha gullible bitch! :p |
| 16:08.34 | Fisker- | ? |
| 16:08.38 | Gnarfoz | that's just people making random shit up, until I see proof! :> |
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| 16:09.00 | Fisker- | But if blizzard didn't suck i could confirm myself :( |
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| 16:09.31 | Fisker- | They should auto-transfer every level 80 |
| 16:09.32 | Fisker- | imo |
| 16:09.39 | Gnarfoz | why, do they now require an IQ test for PTR participation? :P |
| 16:10.20 | Fisker- | nah |
| 16:10.31 | Fisker- | i lost my copies because PTR for EU didn't go up when it should've |
| 16:10.42 | Gnarfoz | when you THOUGHT it should have |
| 16:10.46 | Gnarfoz | making it your own damn fault |
| 16:10.49 | Gnarfoz | bwahahah :> |
| 16:11.05 | Fisker- | no |
| 16:11.08 | Fisker- | when it SHOULD HAVE |
| 16:11.30 | Gnarfoz | <Fiskerdin> I r smrt, so smrt... I know better than blizz when they're servers are going up... <Blizz> pwnt. |
| 16:11.30 | Fisker- | i see my copies have been reset though |
| 16:11.37 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 16:11.42 | Fisker- | language specific test realms as well |
| 16:11.42 | Fisker- | wewt |
| 16:11.47 | Gnarfoz | that's new |
| 16:11.51 | Fisker- | yeah i do Gnarfoz |
| 16:12.15 | Gnarfoz | fine |
| 16:12.19 | Gnarfoz | now, get me epic rings and bracers. |
| 16:12.27 | Fisker- | giev armory link |
| 16:12.28 | Gnarfoz | and an epic libram worth using as ret |
| 16:12.36 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 16:12.42 | Gnarfoz | what for, I'm wearing blues in those slots, :P |
| 16:13.00 | Fisker- | imo they should have stats on librams |
| 16:13.16 | Fisker- | atleast it'd be like "Ok the bonus sucks a bit, but the stats make up for it" |
| 16:15.45 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 16:15.50 | Gnarfoz | but the epic libram is a fucking joke |
| 16:15.55 | Fisker- | ye |
| 16:16.00 | Gnarfoz | the venture co one is the best, probably |
| 16:16.03 | Fisker- | i got the divine storm libram from venture co |
| 16:16.04 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 16:16.09 | Gnarfoz | you and me, both |
| 16:16.24 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Das+Syndikat&n=Hooloofoo :X |
| 16:16.50 | Gnarfoz | I could probably replace that fucking +hit gem in the ring while I'm still wearing that ring ;D |
| 16:18.37 | Fisker- | omgnos draenei :o |
| 16:19.44 | Gnarfoz | oh year |
| 16:19.52 | Gnarfoz | can't recustomize that! |
| 16:19.53 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:21.04 | Wobin | hm |
| 16:21.16 | Wobin | what's the hit rating req for a DK tank (2hander)? |
| 16:22.03 | Gnarfoz | same as for every other 2h class |
| 16:22.07 | Gnarfoz | 9% |
| 16:22.14 | Gnarfoz | against level+3 mobs |
| 16:23.13 | Wobin | hm, it's just my miss seems pretty damn low |
| 16:25.23 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/20/funny-pictures-kitteh-haz-lo-tolrance-fr-alkohlol/ |
| 16:27.02 | Lyn | Gnarfoz, gief betrayer :< |
| 16:27.17 | Gnarfoz | Lyn: ask Fisker-, I heard he's generous |
| 16:27.26 | Lyn | haha |
| 16:28.30 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't call him generous, he just likes to put out |
| 16:34.45 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz |
| 16:35.03 | Fisker- | It's 10 dream shards, -13 greater cosmic and -8 infinite dust for the new berserking |
| 16:35.29 | Gnarfoz | proof |
| 16:35.43 | Gnarfoz | also, that changes it's cost... nearly not at all :O |
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| 16:39.14 | Fisker- | WAT? |
| 16:39.26 | Fisker- | Greater cosmics are 50-80g on this server |
| 16:39.29 | Fisker- | Dream Shard = 4-8g |
| 16:40.22 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, unless they move a lot more things to take shards, dream shards are going to be incredibly cheap |
| 16:40.57 | Fisker- | and that's what they're doing :P |
| 16:41.27 | Fisker- | all of the high-end enchants have gotten their infinite dust/greater cosmic requirements reduced and added dream shards to the mix |
| 16:42.24 | Dezzimal | if text then |
| 16:42.33 | Dezzimal | if text contains a string in that line then that statement is true right? |
| 16:42.39 | Dezzimal | anything but nil or false? |
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| 16:45.48 | Gnarfoz | Dezzimal: that statement is true if text contains anything or just exists |
| 16:46.10 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: hm ok my server's economy sucks :P it's also kind of empty. :p |
| 16:46.27 | Dezzimal | if it is a nil value it is true? |
| 16:46.29 | Gnarfoz | also, enchanters needs tons of shards to buy recipes, don't they :X |
| 16:46.38 | Gnarfoz | Dezzimal: what. if it's nil, it's nil |
| 16:46.55 | Gnarfoz | nil and false are false, everything else is true in Lua, afaik |
| 16:48.44 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz of course but it's a one-time fee |
| 16:49.01 | Gnarfoz | well, lots of people are still doing that on my realm, then, it seems |
| 16:49.30 | Fisker- | oh :o |
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| 16:50.06 | Wobin | This latest trailer for Knowing (w/Nicholas Cage) reveals a bit more of the plot; looks like things are going to get apocalyptic, with a little M. Night Shyamalan-style suspense mixed in. |
| 16:50.07 | Gnarfoz | Abyss Crystals are also just starting to drop in price now |
| 16:50.18 | Wobin | That is the least likely reason for me to ever watch that movie |
| 16:50.26 | Wobin | (well two worst reasons =P) |
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| 16:53.25 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/16/funny-pictures-drivers-license-photo/ |
| 16:54.29 | Fisker- | nice |
| 16:54.34 | Fisker- | abyss crystals have halved in price now |
| 16:58.42 | Mike-N-Go | Is there anyone else who multitasks playing the BGs and programing an addon? |
| 17:01.29 | mikma | http://toosa.net/~ligur/shant.jpg |
| 17:02.14 | Wobin | The other kids - who range in age from 20 years to 17 months - are Joshua (who married Anna Keller in September and says he is looking forward to the "blessing of children" of his own), twins John-David and Jana, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, twins Jeremiah and Jedidiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah and Jennifer. |
| 17:04.34 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 17:06.25 | Wobin | also, wtf America? http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-conscience19-2008dec19,0,6352558.story |
| 17:06.37 | Wobin | Bush and his 11th hour proclamations >< |
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| 17:25.06 | Olorin | Adys / Arrowmaster, my appologies for my hasty departure after asking a question but I got called away... thanks for your responses although im not sure I fully understand the response, it was in realation to function passed variables func(arg1, arg2, arg3, ...) how do I tell what the ... means, you said its additional parameters... not sure where from? |
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| 17:31.19 | Dezzimal | From when you called the function |
| 17:32.35 | Olorin | hmm so whats to stop you just puting func(...) and having it accept all passed args? |
| 17:33.17 | alestane | If you know the first few args are supposed to have specific roles, you can give them names to make them easier to refer to. |
| 17:33.18 | Gnarfoz | performance, probably |
| 17:33.26 | ZorbaTHut | absolutely nothing, besides your sense of good taste and readability :) |
| 17:33.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah, probably hard to figure out stuff for other people and for yourself (later on, when you're not into the code anymore and need to change something) |
| 17:34.20 | Olorin | ah ok, thank you all kindly, its sunken into my slightly tipsy head, celebrating xmas early since my sis is visiting lol |
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| 17:42.48 | Dezzimal | and 6 hours later http://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId tada wrath enchantids >_> |
| 17:43.15 | zenzelezz | nice |
| 17:44.56 | Dezzimal | that was my first "addon" I guess, dumped every enchantid off of a plain letter into a table savedvar, then wrote a second lua script to dump the table into some passable html |
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| 17:58.48 | jnwhiteh | Hrm.. I'm having difficulty finding the code that copies a link when its shift-clicked |
| 17:58.56 | jnwhiteh | i.e. if someone links you an item/quest and you link it back to someone else |
| 17:59.10 | jnwhiteh | I don't see it in ChatFrame.lua |
| 17:59.51 | alestane | I'd think it would be part of an <OnHyperlinkClicked> handler. |
| 18:00.03 | jnwhiteh | you'd think that, wouldn't you :P |
| 18:00.05 | jnwhiteh | btu I don't see it |
| 18:00.39 | alestane | You looked in ChatFrame.xml also? |
| 18:00.45 | jnwhiteh | yes, and the handler is there |
| 18:00.55 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 18:01.03 | jnwhiteh | maybe its buried in SetItemRef |
| 18:01.04 | jnwhiteh | that would be sad |
| 18:01.13 | jnwhiteh | indeed, it is. |
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| 18:12.41 | Movix | some here with knowledge about CalendarOpenEvent() ? |
| 18:19.43 | alestane | Not so's I could say. |
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| 18:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.frigginrandom.com/images/it-that-the-snowman-from-ski-free/ |
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| 18:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.24 | alestane | 50 times as much storage space? |
| 18:42.53 | AbsoRayne_ | I really, really hate my ISP |
| 18:43.01 | AbsoRayne_ | Its really screwing me out of Raids. :/ |
| 18:43.45 | foxlit | Clearly the answer is to use bag slots to store information :) |
| 18:44.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: o_0 |
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| 18:49.36 | Joz | Im trying to get a secure action button cast a spell and target on the "next" target, so i can spam spells on multiple targets by using only 1 button. Is this possible, or do i need an extra button for targetting the next target? |
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| 18:50.08 | foxlit | How do you know what the next target is? |
| 18:50.15 | jnwhiteh | regardless |
| 18:50.32 | jnwhiteh | wrong channel, lol |
| 18:50.45 | alestane | button:SetAttribute("type", "macrotext"); button:SetAttribute("macrotext", "/cast Spell Name\n/targetenemy") |
| 18:51.28 | Joz | can i set macro text during combat on secure action buttons ? cause that would solve my problem |
| 18:51.37 | alestane | No. |
| 18:51.43 | jnwhiteh | you cannot make any intelligent decisions or changes during combat |
| 18:51.51 | jnwhiteh | you can never make a "Do the right thing" button |
| 18:51.52 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 18:52.07 | foxlit | Unless you play as a raiding frost mage. |
| 18:52.38 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 18:55.04 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's pretty much not possible, explicitly so you can't do what you're attempting to do. :) |
| 18:57.00 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.22 | foxlit | "GET /forum////viewforum.php?f=3 |
| 19:00.25 | foxlit | I wonder. |
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| 19:20.47 | Joz | Hmm ok i did some reading, my next question is, can i get "SecureUnitButtonTemplate or SecureActionButton" to target myself or any other unit? |
| 19:23.39 | Anaral | How can I get StatBlockCore not to bar snap the quicklaunchers? |
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| 19:24.21 | Mike-N-Go | I submitted a mod http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11949-TradeSecretaryAdRepeater.html. May an admin please review it. |
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| 19:27.14 | alestane | SecureUnitBUtton is mostly a subtype of Secure Action Button. They can target just about any unit that a macro can. |
| 19:28.56 | Joz | alestane, yea i just found out i gotgot to set the unit attribute |
| 19:29.02 | Joz | forgot* |
| 19:30.12 | Joz | shame attributes get locked, can i create buttons on the fly during combat? |
| 19:30.59 | Antiarc | No |
| 19:31.35 | alestane | Not secure ones. |
| 19:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is the point of the secure stuff. You can do ANYTHING YOU WOULD EVER SO PLEASE out of combat |
| 19:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | In combat, the decisions you made on the buttons are locked, to prevent abuse |
| 19:32.21 | Joz | thats not really a problem though, but it would be nice |
| 19:32.47 | alestane | It's exactly the sort of thing the present system was designed to stop. |
| 19:34.24 | Joz | im making an addon for some friends on a private server where mass dispel doesnt work. they cant target units fast enough to dispel ^^ |
| 19:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... hahahahaha |
| 19:34.37 | alestane | Then you aren't discussing it here. |
| 19:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You have two problems here |
| 19:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Your friends are slow, and you're using a private server |
| 19:36.11 | Joz | well im not using it, im just investigating, and it's intresting to learn some basics of wow ui programming |
| 19:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | We don't generally discuss or help anyone utilizing the latter |
| 19:36.46 | alestane | I understand that you may not be personally, but that's not something we aid or abet. |
| 19:37.22 | Joz | i could have masked my questions but i thought it would be funny to mention ^^ |
| 19:39.03 | Joz | it can be useful for legit reason |
| 19:39.13 | NightHawkTheSane | there are no legit uses for private servers |
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| 19:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Less the fact where your reasons/intents don't matter what so ever here |
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| 19:41.30 | Joz | although i agree with supporting the "real deal", there actually some people that cant afford it but like to see what the fuzz is all about |
| 19:41.42 | Shirik|Ghost | Gr.... |
| 19:41.46 | Shirik|Ghost | stupid verizon card made me miss private server discussions |
| 19:41.48 | Shirik|Ghost | You guys covered it pretty well though |
| 19:41.52 | Shirik|Ghost | or not |
| 19:41.56 | Shirik|Ghost | Joz, let me make it clear. There is no discussion of private servers here at all. Period. |
| 19:42.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ghost: please, feel free to jump in :D |
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| 19:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Those who can't afford it but want to mess with the UI can use trial accounts. |
| 19:44.40 | Shirik | ok this isn't working for me. Time for ssh tunneling |
| 19:44.42 | Shirik | & screen |
| 19:45.03 | foxlit | Gah, this is being exceedingly weird. |
| 19:45.26 | foxlit | (I think) my apache is hitting the MaxClients threshold. |
| 19:46.06 | foxlit | So page loads end up taking a small eternity to get an initial acknowledgement, but then load relatively fast once a K-A connection has been made |
| 19:47.09 | Joz | ScytheBlade1, only that some spells are not availeble until a certain level makes it impossible to test some stuff |
| 19:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Joz: sucks. |
| 19:47.20 | Shirik | ok Joz, I thought I was pretty clear |
| 19:47.25 | Shirik | This is your final warning. Be glad I gave you two. |
| 19:47.29 | Shirik | I don't usually do that |
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| 19:51.22 | Shirik | apparently my reverse name lookup works |
| 19:51.28 | Shirik | (14:47:40) - Join: mpdelbuono (n=mpdelbuo@heresiarchguild.com) |
| 19:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:54.25 | Joz | sorry wont, happen again. i can still ask some "geenie" UI questions though ? |
| 19:56.44 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 19:57.17 | Joz | thanks |
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| 19:58.25 | Joz | i'm hoping i dont need to, but there is no real clear documentation on some of the basic secure template stuff (that i could find) |
| 19:59.32 | zenzelezz | I think the actual lua files have some helpful comments, if I remember right |
| 20:01.27 | Joz | i tried reading some of those, i.e. it took me 45 minutes to actually get an button to show a texture. Blizz used SetNormalTexture or something, i ended up using a far fetched example from wow wiki |
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| 20:07.09 | jnwhiteh | /msg *watch CLEAR |
| 20:07.09 | jnwhiteh | /msg *watch ADD *!*@* *ego-watch *clad* |
| 20:07.10 | jnwhiteh | /msg *watch ADD *!*@* *ego-watch *praid* |
| 20:09.06 | amro | Shirik: I need your advice on a crudely rigged cable |
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| 20:11.17 | Joz | next question, im calling "myaddon":OnLoad(this) from my xml, if i call another function from the onload, how do i reference to the addons namespace? |
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| 20:12.35 | Olorin | you probably need to use addon_loaded or such in your other function if it needs to load after another addon has |
| 20:13.36 | Joz | Olorin, allright, i got several addons, do i create a eventhandler in the xml or in the lua? |
| 20:13.59 | Olorin | in lua |
| 20:14.44 | Olorin | just need to create an empty frame and register addon_loaded and set script to check that the addon_loaded is the one you want to load your function after |
| 20:15.35 | Joz | Olorin, cant i add the addon_loaded to my xml ? |
| 20:16.23 | amro | Joz: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API) |
| 20:16.27 | amro | ~pil |
| 20:16.28 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:16.31 | amro | that too |
| 20:17.08 | Olorin | if your always going to load one after another why not combine them into one addon? |
| 20:18.05 | amro | because they are still separate addons |
| 20:19.08 | Olorin | you should be fine to add it to the xml but I couldnt advise for sure, I dont use xml since I prefer to do it all in lua |
| 20:20.21 | Joz | well, imo it takes more lines to set up some stuff in lua then in xml, and somehow seems less efficient? |
| 20:21.26 | Olorin | Think its more down to preference, I find it easier if using variables to position frames |
| 20:24.31 | Joz | can you guys suggest a real good addon to take a look at for some clear readable examples? |
| 20:24.47 | Olorin | gotta run but theirs an lua example of this addon_loaded here : http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19631 |
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| 20:27.18 | Olorin | you may also need to do a IsAddOnLoaded("AddonName") to check if it has already loaded.. since the load order is not always predicatble |
| 20:27.40 | Aelobin | hai guyz, any idea where you get a blank minimap button from? |
| 20:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Minimap buttons are just any other frames, nothing special |
| 20:30.06 | Aelobin | aye but they all seem to have the same border :P |
| 20:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Photoshop is awesome |
| 20:30.20 | Joz | im gonna put this to rest for now, wish we had better predefined events or classes/namespaces with prototyping ^^ |
| 20:30.46 | Aelobin | ah okies scythe :) |
| 20:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Aelobin: in any case looking at mine now (lol) there may be just the graphic around it somewhere |
| 20:30.56 | Aelobin | any idea which one they use as a base though lol |
| 20:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the UI source on the minimap zoom in/out buttons |
| 20:31.19 | Aelobin | ah right yeh :) |
| 20:31.26 | Aelobin | ive extracted them from mpqs before |
| 20:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wowcompares.com |
| 20:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ easier place to view the source |
| 20:31.36 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 20:31.37 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 20:32.54 | Aelobin | ty |
| 20:33.20 | Joz | Lua engine cant even garbage collect a local table lmfao |
| 20:33.45 | Aelobin | is there any way to test an addon without being ingame |
| 20:34.17 | jnwhiteh | Joz: ... |
| 20:34.21 | jnwhiteh | Joz: it absolutely can |
| 20:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Joz: uh? |
| 20:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually when clad starts yelling at people it turns out far better than if I yelled at them |
| 20:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Have at it :P |
| 20:34.55 | Joz | well wow wiki suggest yo use a global table, to preserve memory ? |
| 20:35.11 | jnwhiteh | a.) don't listen to wowwiki |
| 20:35.15 | jnwhiteh | its full of complete and utter shit |
| 20:35.25 | jnwhiteh | b.) don't make conclusions based on your limited knowledge + that of wowwiki |
| 20:35.46 | jnwhiteh | if you'd link the page, I'm sure one of us would edit it if it actually says something stupid. |
| 20:36.15 | Joz | lemme look up the link, hold on |
| 20:37.37 | Aelobin | local's faster than global isnt it? |
| 20:37.40 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 20:37.48 | Aelobin | cool |
| 20:40.37 | foxlit | Unless you're doing something silly :) |
| 20:41.04 | Joz | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_Tables_Without_Generating_Extra_Garbage |
| 20:41.49 | Joz | i stumbled across that when i was making a small addon to sort some items in my bags |
| 20:43.48 | foxlit | "Joz: well wow wiki suggest yo use a global table, to preserve memory ?" << you misunderstood |
| 20:44.04 | foxlit | It suggests reusing a single table to reduce the amount of memory thrashing your addon causes. |
| 20:45.00 | Joz | well it suggest using a global table isn't as memory intensive,... |
| 20:45.06 | Tekkub | and that page totally misses out on the time you should recycle vs when you shouldn't |
| 20:46.01 | Tekkub | read this to better understand table memory use and what erase doesn't do http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 20:46.04 | foxlit | It attempts to say something about that, Tek |
| 20:46.47 | foxlit | Or, well, not that :) |
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| 20:50.55 | Tekkub | the long and the short of it is, there's really only one case where you should consider recycling |
| 20:51.28 | Tekkub | you're using the table for the same thing every time, it runs a LOT, it uses roughly the same number of keys each time, and that's <128 keys |
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| 20:52.39 | Aelobin | oooh hello tekkub :P downloaded your Spew today |
| 20:54.17 | Joz | hmm no comment, feels like the guy who tried to discuss closures with me on ##javascript ^^ |
| 20:55.55 | amro | oh THAT guy |
| 20:58.42 | Joz | his name was Makk |
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| 20:59.34 | Joz | i don't save logs, so im not sure |
| 21:02.35 | amro | I was being sarcastic, this is completely irrelevant |
| 21:09.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: your 'mass milling' button in panda fails when it hits a partial stack |
| 21:09.44 | Tekkub | yea, bitch at blizzy |
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| 21:19.36 | Mike-N-Go | What I am trying to do is ChatFrame..someVar:AddMessage() and it is erroring on me. |
| 21:19.55 | Tekkub | print(somevar) |
| 21:19.59 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.25 | Mike-N-Go | I want to select the chat frame to use from someVar that I have assigned. |
| 21:20.51 | Tekkub | _G["ChatFrame"..someVar]:AddMessage("You fail") |
| 21:21.21 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, I have to call the global? Thanks for letting me know I fail. |
| 21:22.09 | Joz | guys, thanks for the info |
| 21:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You shouldn't have to call it via _G |
| 21:22.19 | Tekkub | if you want it to be variable, you have to find it by it's global, yes |
| 21:22.31 | Joz | i'm off |
| 21:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I should read |
| 21:23.08 | Tekkub | reading helps a lot on IRC |
| 21:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | usually |
| 21:23.20 | jnwhiteh | s/IRC/life/ |
| 21:23.33 | Tekkub | pfft, IRC is life! |
| 21:23.37 | jnwhiteh | WORD! |
| 21:23.41 | Tekkub | for nerds |
| 21:24.01 | Tekkub | it's our version of spending the weekend out at the bars |
| 21:24.05 | Tekkub | except all the time |
| 21:24.08 | Tekkub | minus the drinking |
| 21:24.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:24.46 | Fisker- | i love it when you use bigboy words jnwhiteh :3 |
| 21:25.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: .. wait.. "minus the drinking"? >.> you're doing it wrong |
| 21:25.47 | Tekkub | I don't drink all the damn time I'm on IRC |
| 21:25.56 | NightHawkTheSane | "you're doing it wrong" |
| 21:25.59 | Tekkub | just sometimes, usually nights/weekends |
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| 21:30.13 | NightHawkTheSane | this is an excellent article: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200812/fallows-chinese-banker |
| 21:35.17 | pastamancer | hrm, so [pet:Dragonkin] doesn't work as expected |
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| 21:41.00 | pastamancer | ah, it's using UnitCreatureFamily not UnitCreatureType |
| 21:47.47 | Nechckn | okay... 12 yo girls are into what, this year? |
| 21:48.41 | Nechckn | No... not looking for a date, need something for a niece |
| 21:49.03 | NightHawkTheSane | legos. -everyones- into legos |
| 21:51.34 | Nechckn | I actually just got some Indiana Jones legos for one of the nephews |
| 21:51.44 | Nechckn | I'll have to see what they have in the chica dept |
| 21:51.47 | Nechckn | =) |
| 21:51.51 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 21:52.01 | NightHawkTheSane | (i really have no idea, so don't take my advice too seriosuly) |
| 21:52.14 | Nechckn | meh.. it works |
| 21:52.24 | Nechckn | I am so not in the "spirit" this year |
| 21:52.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven |
| 21:52.37 | Nechckn | obviously waiting until the last minute here |
| 21:52.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't been in the spirit for a good 15+ years |
| 21:53.17 | Gnarfoz | you and me, both |
| 21:53.25 | Gnarfoz | except that maybe for me it's some years less |
| 21:53.31 | Nechckn | lol... I think after about age 15 or so, it becomes more of a job than anything |
| 21:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | eh. *shrug* i've no doubt there are people out there much older than that who actually fully enjoy christmas and the rituals thereof. |
| 21:58.11 | AnduinLothar | Yays v1.0! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11749-Portfolio.html |
| 21:59.10 | NightHawkTheSane | I think AnduinLothar just encapsulated the modern american ideology |
| 22:07.45 | pastamancer | ~seen alestane |
| 22:07.47 | purl | alestane <n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2h 31m 1s ago, saying: 'I understand that you may not be personally, but that's not something we aid or abet.'. |
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| 22:25.49 | Silentspy | hi im looking for a method to convert blp to png and back again? any tools? |
| 22:26.08 | foxlit | back again is problematic. |
| 22:26.21 | foxlit | But, luckily, you don't need to; use TGA instead. Better in practically every regard. |
| 22:27.22 | Silentspy | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ/AddOn_Author_Resources#Resources |
| 22:27.24 | Silentspy | got a little lucky |
| 22:27.27 | Silentspy | thanks anyway ^^ |
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| 22:44.27 | Silentspy | xnview is a nice tool |
| 22:44.31 | Silentspy | does the job |
| 22:47.51 | amro | Shirik: ping |
| 23:02.19 | Shirik | amro: pong |
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| 23:09.28 | p3lim | is there some API to match /cancelform |
| 23:12.35 | Shirik | CancelAura, which is protected |
| 23:13.09 | amro | Shirik: http://www.mninja.org/images/ghetto_pcie.jpg would that work? |
| 23:13.30 | Shirik | wow |
| 23:13.34 | Shirik | that's pretty ghetto indeed |
| 23:13.38 | Shirik | let me look up the pinouts real quick |
| 23:13.46 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 23:13.55 | amro | the red is also a ground, ran out of black wire |
| 23:13.56 | |Jelly| | I'm ... in awe at the ghetto. |
| 23:13.59 | Shirik | haha |
| 23:14.01 | Shirik | red is ground? |
| 23:14.18 | Shirik | so to ensure consistency, yellow = +12V, black = red = GND |
| 23:14.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:14.23 | |Jelly| | I mean, I've had to "engineer" a PCI-E power connector before but damn ... |
| 23:14.24 | amro | yes |
| 23:14.49 | amro | |Jelly|: I had nothing but electrical tape, I had to salvage the wires from an old PSU |
| 23:15.00 | |Jelly| | That's definitely got some "southern ingenuity" to it :P |
| 23:15.16 | Shirik | the bottom center one is NC right? |
| 23:15.39 | Shirik | if so that looks fine, assuming voltages remain in tolerance levels |
| 23:15.48 | Shirik | I'm not sure if PCIE is more strict |
| 23:16.46 | Shirik | Now solve my problem ^_^ |
| 23:17.04 | Shirik | SWW> 12-20-08 17:58:09.366 - Could not load bundle at file:/C:/Users/mpdelbuono/AppData/Roaming/MMOI/mmoimgr/modules/moduletest.jar: Unresolved constraint in bundle 2: package; (&(package=com.mmoui.manager.services)(version>=0.0.0)) |
| 23:17.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:17.17 | p3lim | Shirik: can i get through that protection somehow? |
| 23:17.21 | p3lim | im using it in bindings.xml |
| 23:17.47 | Shirik | p3lim: Not that I'm aware of, but I don't pay attention to that too much |
| 23:19.22 | amro | Shirik: do I have to worry about sparks/heating? I'm using crimped molex connectors, they don't fit too tightly |
| 23:20.23 | Shirik | There isn't enough power to generate any real heat there. The worst that could happen really is that the connection falls out since it's not a good fit. If it happens to cross one of the 12V lines with the GND line, the PSU is required to clamp the 12V line (will likely shut down the system, but no damage) |
| 23:21.47 | Mike-N-Go | I have a pending update http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11931-TradeSecretaryWhoCrafts.html, may an admin please review it. |
| 23:24.10 | amro | that's good to know. I still need to ghetto-rig one end then I'll test |
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| 23:27.55 | p3lim | there was CancelShapeshiftForm(), but it doesnt do anything |
| 23:29.28 | mikma | all functions that are spellcasting are protected now |
| 23:32.42 | mikma | damn, frost spec is fun while doing dps :D |
| 23:33.49 | mikma | Why aren't my lifetime honorable kills displayed? |
| 23:33.50 | mikma | In order to have your lifetime honorable kills displayed, you must have at least 1337 honorable kills. |
| 23:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Any bets on when we have 3.0.8? |
| 23:39.53 | mikma | i put my money on "yes" |
| 23:40.00 | |Jelly| | "soon" |
| 23:40.05 | sacarasc | rsn |
| 23:42.30 | p3lim | http://wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 23:42.55 | p3lim | and wth is it with Firefox these days, its been hanging up several times an hour |
| 23:42.59 | p3lim | new version that is |
| 23:44.01 | sacarasc | downgrade |
| 23:44.52 | p3lim | hm.. whats the difference between _G.CHAT_SAY_GET and CHAT_SAY_GET? |
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| 23:50.20 | amro | p3lim: none, unless there's a local called CHAT_SAY_GET in your scope |
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| 23:51.27 | p3lim | ok |
| 23:51.57 | AbsoRayne | man |
| 23:52.04 | AbsoRayne | Everytime the phone rings |
| 23:52.06 | AbsoRayne | the net goes out |
| 23:52.08 | AbsoRayne | I swear |
| 23:52.57 | Tekkub | get cable? |
| 23:53.23 | AbsoRayne | I cant |
| 23:53.27 | AbsoRayne | Out here in the Boondocks |
| 23:53.32 | mikma | absorayne: you need the ... device between phoneline and adsl |
| 23:53.45 | mikma | my wife's parent had the same thing with groundline |
| 23:54.10 | Tekkub | yea, lern2installfiltercorrectly |
| 23:54.11 | mikma | so, this (i really don't know the name of the device) something filter prevents that from happening :P |
| 23:54.12 | AbsoRayne | mikma: Is Satellite ISP considered adsl? <_< |
| 23:54.24 | Tekkub | sat is not dsl |
| 23:54.33 | AbsoRayne | There you go |
| 23:54.35 | AbsoRayne | :B |
| 23:54.47 | mikma | then the phone needs to be cellular |
| 23:55.01 | Tekkub | who the hell has landlines these days anyway |
| 23:55.13 | AbsoRayne | No, we just need to get an apartment already with Cable so we dont have to deal with this choppy net |
| 23:55.17 | AbsoRayne | That I cant even use Ventrilo on |
| 23:55.27 | Tekkub | no loss there |
| 23:56.02 | AbsoRayne | It is when people piss and moan about not being in Vent for a pug / having to use Teamspeak to raid |
| 23:56.02 | AbsoRayne | I dont care, but it gets old to listen to after awhile |
| 23:56.11 | Tekkub | tell them to go fuck themselves? |
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| 23:56.43 | mikma | wobin: FROST IS FUN! |
| 23:56.56 | Wobin | yeah? |
| 23:57.00 | mikma | it's like, icy touch -> pestilence -> howling blast |
| 23:57.03 | Wobin | for pvp? |
| 23:57.07 | mikma | pve dps |
| 23:57.14 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:57.18 | Wobin | I might try it next patch |
| 23:57.22 | mikma | we started spider wing in naxx, i did that and boom! 32525 damage |
| 23:57.24 | Wobin | when the cooldown is removed from HB =) |
| 23:57.42 | Wobin | absoRayne: whut class? |
| 23:57.57 | AbsoRayne | Wobin: Warrior, Prot. Just got my T7.5 Chest. Probably just Health |
| 23:58.02 | AbsoRayne | Or maybe 22 Def, iunno |
| 23:59.31 | Wobin | are you capped ? |
