| 00:00.10 | Cide | >>> strsplit(" ", "a b c") |
| 00:00.11 | Cide | Cide: "a", "b", "c" |
| 00:00.33 | Tekkub | alt-click |
| 00:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 really? neat, wasn't aware of that |
| 00:04.58 | ScytheBlade1 | gah, that explains why I couldn't call any table functions. My SV table was named the same as my internal table... whoops |
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| 00:09.18 | Kraps | anyone know wtf this means? |
| 00:09.20 | Kraps | <!-- Web.Config Configuration File --> |
| 00:09.22 | Kraps | <configuration> |
| 00:09.24 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.26 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.28 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.30 | Kraps | </configuration> |
| 00:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: pastey! |
| 00:09.41 | Kraps | sorry |
| 00:09.53 | Kraps | trying to pay a bill |
| 00:10.00 | Kraps | Server Error in '/Secured' Application. |
| 00:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It means that their crap is broke |
| 00:10.41 | Kraps | https://dfs.us.dell.com/secured/CheckfreeGateway.aspx? |
| 00:11.10 | Kraps | ah well |
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| 00:25.52 | Tem | Kraps, I know what it means! |
| 00:25.57 | Tem | (kind of) |
| 00:26.06 | Tem | It means you're using ASP.NET |
| 00:26.15 | Tem | get ready to hate your life |
| 00:26.18 | Tem | enjoy your stay |
| 00:26.36 | Kraps | mister dude |
| 00:26.47 | Kraps | >https://dfs.us.dell.com |
| 00:26.58 | Kraps | !=me |
| 00:30.19 | Wobin | hum |
| 00:30.25 | Wobin | due to the spell power change |
| 00:30.35 | Wobin | how different would boomkin gear be to tree gear? |
| 00:30.49 | cbreak | more crit? |
| 00:31.00 | cbreak | way more spell hit |
| 00:31.08 | cbreak | (both are sort of pointless for a hot healer) |
| 00:31.10 | Wobin | oh true |
| 00:31.15 | Wobin | cause healing don't require hit |
| 00:31.26 | Wobin | I'm considering 70-80 as a tree |
| 00:31.33 | Wobin | previously boomkin |
| 00:31.46 | cbreak | our tree druids leveled as moonkin |
| 00:31.54 | cbreak | well... one of them :) |
| 00:31.55 | Wobin | Since there's apparently a terrible healer shortage |
| 00:32.00 | cbreak | (don't know about the rest) |
| 00:32.19 | Wobin | and I'd like the practise as a hot healer |
| 00:32.27 | Wobin | only ever healed as a priest before |
| 00:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: in general, the difference between "healer caster" and "damage caster" is regen vs hit/crit |
| 00:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | for a druid, regen is typically spirit based, i believe. |
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| 00:41.03 | Corr-work | okay, we've got physical and magical tanks and dps |
| 00:41.07 | Corr-work | i say we need a physical healer |
| 00:42.21 | Tekkub | make pallies melee healers |
| 00:42.31 | Tekkub | instead of casting, they hit the person to heal them |
| 00:43.23 | nobutter | lol |
| 00:43.28 | cbreak | mages are enemy healers. |
| 00:43.59 | cbreak | no other class can do that. |
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| 00:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: in a way, pallies are melee healers. Divine Storm heals nearby people :p |
| 00:46.56 | Tekkub | nearby? |
| 00:47.04 | Tekkub | that thing has like a 100yd range on it |
| 00:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/NotAlwaysRight/~3/488551928/1395 |
| 00:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ lol |
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| 00:51.49 | AbsoRayne | wtf, theres Adds on the Forums now? O_o |
| 00:52.24 | Wobin | well... Blizzard needs the revenue you see |
| 00:53.11 | AbsoRayne | Im sure |
| 00:53.13 | AbsoRayne | Anyway |
| 00:53.24 | AbsoRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13723783597&sid=1 If any of you guys are having the same issue on your server, please post. :) |
| 00:53.41 | Tekkub | man, so many of the NR flight path transitions suck |
| 00:54.03 | Tekkub | you fly in, stop, hover backawards, then shoot off at a right angle |
| 00:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 400/2/60 |
| 00:55.20 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 3.3333333333333 |
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| 00:58.15 | Kraps | the layout is sooooo fail |
| 00:58.36 | Kraps | HUGE HONKING ADS |
| 01:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | bah, they're hosting the images externally |
| 01:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll lead bad places eventually |
| 01:02.33 | nobutter | anyone know the event name for when a beneficial spell is dispelled off of you? |
| 01:03.25 | nobutter | or any spell i guess |
| 01:03.37 | Kraps | scary nightmare is scary |
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| 01:04.59 | Olorin | nobutter, think its PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED |
| 01:05.21 | Olorin | but thats fired when gained or lossed a buff |
| 01:05.51 | Kraps | what are you writing? |
| 01:06.42 | nobutter | i would like to make an alert when a beneficial spell is removed from myself |
| 01:07.49 | Gngsk | you use sct or a like? |
| 01:08.05 | Cide | www.google.com/search?q=i+would+like+to+make+an+alert+when+a+beneficial+spell+is+removed+from+myself |
| 01:08.12 | nobutter | seems that was changed to UNIT_AURA |
| 01:09.08 | nobutter | yeah.. very helpful cide, ill check that right out |
| 01:09.26 | Kraps | found a typo in quest text |
| 01:09.35 | Cide | as you should |
| 01:10.23 | Kraps | that whole sentence is a typo :O |
| 01:10.38 | Kraps | reads like engrish |
| 01:11.36 | Gngsk | nobutter, http://www.wowace.com/projects/buff-drop/ |
| 01:12.23 | nobutter | tyvm, will be perfect to take a look at |
| 01:13.43 | Gngsk | btw i just searched wowace projects for "buff" :P |
| 01:14.26 | nobutter | think i only searched for dispel there :( |
| 01:14.31 | Kraps | where can i find the attack table percentages? |
| 01:14.50 | Cide | ... |
| 01:15.01 | Cide | why would you search wowace to figure out how to code? |
| 01:15.14 | Cide | oh no he didn't |
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| 01:26.33 | Gngsk | oh didn't realize he was looking for code examples, thought he wanted an addon to do it |
| 01:39.16 | Anaral | WTB healer for Naxx run on Lothar, PST. :D |
| 01:44.28 | Cidan | Anaral: get on my realm, =D |
| 01:44.30 | Gngsk | you're a druid with plenty of spell damage, why don't you just respec? :P |
| 01:44.40 | Anaral | Lol |
| 01:44.50 | Anaral | Because then we'd be short a DPS. |
| 01:45.00 | Anaral | And I suck at healing. |
| 01:45.07 | Gngsk | that's a better reason |
| 01:45.36 | Anaral | What realm is that Cidan? |
| 01:46.58 | Tekkub | Fuzz has discovered that Trey's bathroom is premium napping area |
| 01:47.18 | Tekkub | he can lay on dirty human-smelling clothes AND against the warm floorboard heating at the same time |
| 01:50.40 | kd3 | wth, ads on the forums now? |
| 01:51.13 | Gngsk | that's the last straw |
| 01:52.12 | |pez| | which forum? 0.o |
| 01:52.21 | kd3 | pick any random wow forum |
| 01:52.22 | kd3 | say, the ptr |
| 01:52.38 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11572&sid=1&pageNo=1& |
| 01:53.19 | toggster | hmmm how would I add an element to a table at the next available index? |
| 01:54.10 | |pez| | atleast they're advertising for their own IP... and not... pokemon or something. |
| 01:54.32 | toggster | any method for it or just table[getn(table) + 1] = nextentry;? |
| 01:54.41 | Cide | oh no |
| 01:54.44 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 01:54.58 | Tekkub | table.insert |
| 01:55.03 | Cide | way to ruin it |
| 01:55.05 | Tekkub | you'd know that if you pil'd |
| 01:55.05 | Cide | jerk. |
| 01:55.11 | |Jelly| | kd3: At least I'm not the only person to see and be annoyed by them. |
| 01:55.17 | Gngsk | tekkub feeds fish! |
| 01:55.27 | Tekkub | |Jelly|, I see nothing |
| 01:55.30 | Cide | with what? |
| 01:55.40 | Tekkub | fuck fish, they're stupid |
| 01:55.44 | toggster | I was actually looking at the pil, and not finding it. That's why I asked. Sorry about that if it was that easy :) |
| 01:56.22 | toggster | maybe I should continue this tomorrow instead hehe ;) |
| 01:57.15 | Cide | maybe you should read it all |
| 01:57.21 | Cide | s/maybe // |
| 01:57.30 | Tekkub | and then forget the parts that are all out of date |
| 01:57.33 | Tekkub | like table.getn |
| 01:58.31 | kd3 | wow, the updater still fails |
| 01:58.39 | kd3 | "Please enable JavaScript." |
| 01:58.45 | toggster | ah right, I read something about that on the official forums. |
| 01:58.46 | kd3 | no. just show me the damn patch notes |
| 01:58.54 | toggster | getn, this etc getting replaced. |
| 01:59.12 | Tekkub | like a year and a half ago |
| 01:59.24 | toggster | well I only started looking a day and a half ago :) |
| 01:59.25 | Tekkub | kd3, quit your fucking bitching and turn on js |
| 01:59.46 | Tekkub | better yet, don't use the POS launcher unless it's for patch preload |
| 01:59.57 | kd3 | that's the only way to get the ptr patch... >.> |
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| 02:00.29 | Tekkub | then turn on js and quitcher bitchin |
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| 02:01.41 | Tekkub | why am I reminded of http://img1.purerave.com/4/30/4851230.jpg |
| 02:02.40 | kd3 | geez. another 1200 line diff for this ptr build |
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| 02:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: 1200 lines means bunches of fixes, as far as I'm concerned |
| 02:05.23 | kd3 | whuh? stereo mode? |
| 02:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | +OPTION_STEREO_CONVERGENCE = "Changes the 3D depth of the screen."; |
| 02:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | +OPTION_STEREO_SEPARATION = "Changes the amount of separation created by 3D depth."; |
| 02:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh video opt-- |
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| 02:06.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait what? Video options? |
| 02:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Are they.. |
| 02:06.45 | kd3 | thus my "whuh?" bit |
| 02:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really curious who would use it |
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| 02:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Intresting to say the least |
| 02:10.36 | kd3 | well, I've asked the powers that be... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13594171221&postId=137683678039&sid=1#74 |
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| 02:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Seems like quite the thing to add to a minor patch |
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| 02:14.43 | cbreak | converged stereo? very bad idea |
| 02:14.46 | abyx_ | is there a way to call a function given just the function location? |
| 02:14.55 | cbreak | define location |
| 02:15.11 | abyx_ | err like it's location in memory |
| 02:15.16 | abyx_ | "function: 031e9a00" or something like that |
| 02:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 02:15.21 | cbreak | in lua? no |
| 02:15.29 | abyx_ | but now that i think about it... the function location would be dynamic anyway |
| 02:15.41 | abyx_ | well no dynamic... but not the same for everyone |
| 02:16.02 | Tekkub | why do you care? |
| 02:16.09 | abyx_ | was just wondering |
| 02:18.41 | NightHawkTheSane | weee, swimming in the air! |
| 02:19.09 | abyx_ | weee, lagging so horribly on 25malygos that he evades to 100% after a vortex |
| 02:28.44 | cbreak | if anyone cares about stereo rendering, this link has helped me a lot: http://ozviz.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/miscellaneous/stereorender/ |
| 02:47.26 | Wobin | cbreak: I can't see those =( |
| 02:47.50 | cbreak | yes, a non-neigble part of population can't |
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| 02:48.27 | cbreak | I made some stereoscopic tests for my thesis, and the performance of people fluctuated quite a bit |
| 02:48.48 | Wobin | I do not effectively have binocular vision |
| 02:48.50 | cbreak | some could fuse separations that are almost inhumane (me :), some couldn't even see zero parallax stereo |
| 02:49.09 | cbreak | just one eye left, or a problem with fusion? |
| 02:49.29 | Wobin | latter |
| 02:49.35 | Wobin | well, I focus mostly through my right eye |
| 02:50.06 | Wobin | and ignore what comes in the left, mostly due to the inability to prism my glasses enough to fuse the separation |
| 02:50.43 | cbreak | so you can't focus both eyes on the same point? |
| 02:50.58 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:52.40 | cbreak | there are people who can just not fuse things. |
| 02:52.50 | Wobin | I'd love to be able to |
| 02:52.53 | cbreak | both eyes see the same, but the brain can not corelate |
| 02:53.00 | Wobin | It'd mean I'd actually do better at ballsports =P |
| 02:53.10 | cbreak | yeah :) |
| 02:53.10 | Wobin | without having to guess the position of the projectile =P |
| 02:53.24 | cbreak | have you been in The Oculus? |
| 02:53.31 | Wobin | I think mine is due to more of a lazy eye thing |
| 02:53.33 | Wobin | Not yet |
| 02:53.47 | cbreak | or that dragon raid boss? m... something |
| 02:53.53 | cbreak | lots of flying things around. |
| 02:53.54 | Wobin | malygos? |
| 02:53.58 | cbreak | yes |
| 02:54.17 | cbreak | a pain to navigate around his balls of doom without stereo :/ |
| 02:54.18 | Wobin | I don't really like the vehicular flying |
| 02:54.35 | Wobin | well it's not really stereo, onscreen |
| 02:54.40 | cbreak | yes |
| 02:54.46 | Wobin | oh, that's your point =) |
| 02:54.48 | cbreak | that's why I die all the time :/ |
| 02:54.59 | Wobin | hehe, never been an issue for me, cause I don't know any better =) |
| 02:55.32 | cbreak | stereo is only useful in the immediate range, from a few centimeters to a few meters. |
| 02:55.35 | Wobin | anyway, lunchtime! |
| 02:55.42 | cbreak | bon appetite :) |
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| 03:12.34 | Cidan | ZorbaTHut: =D |
| 03:13.12 | ZorbaTHut | yo |
| 03:13.33 | Cidan | Why are people complaining about your addon? |
| 03:13.35 | Cidan | D= |
| 03:13.49 | ZorbaTHut | because people complain about everything ;) |
| 03:13.53 | ZorbaTHut | which complaint are you referring to? |
| 03:13.54 | Cidan | Hehehe. |
| 03:14.03 | Cidan | People logging off when logging into Dalaran |
| 03:14.18 | ZorbaTHut | as far as I know that was fixed weeks ago |
| 03:14.37 | ZorbaTHut | tell them to update :) |
| 03:14.52 | Arrowmaster | do you know what exactly was causing it to take so long to load? |
| 03:15.31 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, it has to build some flight path shortcuts on bootup. as the number of flight points increase, it takes longer to do so, and it just started taking Too Long |
| 03:15.34 | ZorbaTHut | that, plus loading all of its files |
| 03:16.14 | Arrowmaster | flight path shortcuts? |
| 03:16.30 | Arrowmaster | dont you already have the time each path takes saved? |
| 03:16.45 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually come up with a proposal for a simple feature in the .TOC to allow much more controlled loading without any security issues, but I'm having trouble finding someone in Blizzard to listen :P |
| 03:17.17 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but it doesn't have all possible connections saved. if it knows that Gadgetzan to Ratchet is X seconds, and Ratchet to Everlook is Y seconds, but it doesn't know what Gadgetzan to Everlook is, it can get more complicated. |
| 03:17.24 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't actually sat down and deciphered exactly how it works yet |
| 03:18.35 | Arrowmaster | so is that whats making it take forever to load in the new version? |
| 03:18.54 | ZorbaTHut | pretty much, yeah. I just moved it into post-load instead of while-the-loading-screen-is-up |
| 03:18.57 | Arrowmaster | you throttle that code inside a co or something? |
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| 03:20.11 | ZorbaTHut | exactly |
| 03:20.33 | ZorbaTHut | as part of the existing coroutine framework I already have. it was actually pretty easy to set up |
| 03:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | did they fix weapon skillups on the gargoyles in icecrown? |
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| 03:42.09 | Tem | Hey Blizzard -- What the Fuck? |
| 03:42.13 | Tem | Ads on the forums? |
| 03:42.14 | Tem | Die |
| 03:42.15 | Tem | In |
| 03:42.16 | Tem | A |
| 03:42.17 | Tem | Fire |
| 03:42.32 | cbreak | link addblock plus on the blizzard forum :) |
| 03:43.11 | |pez| | Am I the only person on this planet that doesn't care about the ocasional banner? |
| 03:43.26 | Tem | I don't use firefox |
| 03:43.45 | cbreak | there's an addon for safari that does similar things |
| 03:43.52 | Tem | safari? |
| 03:43.54 | Tem | ew gross |
| 03:43.56 | Kirov | heh |
| 03:44.00 | Kirov | WebKit is nice |
| 03:44.06 | Tem | I use a webkit browser |
| 03:44.06 | Kirov | mac interfaces ... meh |
| 03:44.07 | cbreak | I am sure you won't see any adds in your elinks anyway. |
| 03:44.09 | Tem | but not safari |
| 03:44.13 | Kirov | Tem Chrome ftw? |
| 03:44.15 | Cide | chrooooooome |
| 03:44.16 | Tem | yeah |
| 03:44.26 | |pez| | I love Chrome. |
| 03:44.35 | |pez| | I wish it actually supported @font-face though. |
| 03:44.54 | Tem | I love that it doesn't take a fucking year to switch tabs after it's been in the background for a while |
| 03:45.06 | cbreak | yuck, chrome |
| 03:45.23 | Tem | from my perspective it's better than firefox |
| 03:45.26 | Tain | You know I'd probably switch to Chrome full time if it just had mouse gestures. |
| 03:45.27 | |pez| | yum, Chrome. |
| 03:46.01 | Cide | mouse gestures are overrated |
| 03:46.06 | Tain | Not for me. |
| 03:46.08 | cbreak | I don't think it has had enough published security holes yet. |
| 03:46.13 | Cide | what do you use them for? |
| 03:46.29 | Tain | Well... I gesture with my mouse, and things happen. |
| 03:46.30 | cbreak | and I don't trust google at all. |
| 03:46.35 | Cide | well yeah |
| 03:46.39 | cbreak | (and mouse gestures rock :) |
| 03:46.57 | Tain | I've been using them since Opera 5, they're part of my browsing world. |
| 03:47.00 | Tem | mouse gestures are indeed nice |
| 03:47.02 | Cide | only if you surf with one hand a lot |
| 03:47.18 | Tem | but I never got in the habit of using them |
| 03:47.22 | Tem | so it was no loss |
| 03:47.27 | cbreak | the other hand is used to hold the pizza. :) |
| 03:47.30 | Cide | I point and click and go back/forward with the mouse |
| 03:48.09 | Cide | the other web browser actions are rare enough to warrant either 1) using the keyboard with the other hand, or 2) moving the hand from the mouse to the keyboard, 3) clicking the action in the menu or whatever |
| 03:48.30 | Cide | don't really see why you need more actions than back/forward very frequently tbh |
| 03:48.41 | cbreak | I tab switch a lot |
| 03:48.47 | cbreak | and I minimize windows to the dock a lot |
| 03:48.48 | Tain | For some reason I always forget how people declare their way of doing things as absolutes of the universe. |
| 03:48.48 | Cide | click the new tab |
| 03:48.57 | Tain | Hooray for differences! |
| 03:49.02 | cbreak | I don't like moving the mouse that far :) |
| 03:49.15 | Cide | now describe how I declared my way of doing things as absolutes? |
| 03:49.20 | Cide | I asked how *you* use it |
| 03:49.30 | Cide | and told you how *I* do things |
| 03:49.49 | Tain | It's ok. |
| 03:50.01 | cbreak | I have gestures for closing of tabs (and undoing the close), next, previous tab, window minimize, and scroll up/down |
| 03:50.06 | Cide | alright |
| 03:50.15 | cbreak | although I think of getting a mouse where the wheel isn't broken... |
| 03:50.33 | Cide | Tain: because that really works |
| 03:50.36 | Cide | honestly |
| 03:52.40 | Cide | maybe if you cut your mst's and tried to be a part of the conversation you wouldn't feel so lonely at night |
| 03:53.00 | mikma | lol, <3 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44719 |
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| 04:39.09 | Mike-N-Go | I am trying to get the trade link from the open tradeskill window. I am having some trouble with http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTradeSkillInfo. The link it makes has the name of the skill, but all the items are not there. I am troubled with this, what am I doing wrong? |
| 04:39.43 | Iriel | Did you give the tooltip long enough to populate? |
| 04:40.22 | Mike-N-Go | What do you mean? |
| 04:40.37 | Mike-N-Go | As in, get the data from the server? |
| 04:42.33 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, the items are cached on my client. |
| 04:44.34 | Mike-N-Go | To say again: I have an open tradeskill window I want to get the link of. I think I am missing the index, as I need to tell the function what skills to add to the link. |
| 04:45.24 | NightHawkTheSane | !api GetTradeSkillListLink |
| 04:45.25 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetTradeSkillListLink' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTradeSkillListLink |
| 04:47.32 | Iriel | It's got no args |
| 04:47.34 | Iriel | and returns the link |
| 04:49.21 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, I think that is the one I want. Thanks. |
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| 05:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | majel roddenberry died.. |
| 05:39.49 | Wobin | ... |
| 05:40.10 | Wobin | of death metal puppy =\ |
| 05:40.26 | Kirov | No more computer! |
| 05:40.29 | Kirov | :( |
| 05:42.56 | Tekkub | starfall is like, pure evil |
| 05:43.02 | Tekkub | I can hear the designers |
| 05:43.12 | Tekkub | "hey lets give druids a new AoE" |
| 05:43.21 | Wobin | starfall is the best spell ever |
| 05:43.23 | Tekkub | "but lets give it some kind of insane range" |
| 05:43.27 | Wobin | INSANE RANGE |
| 05:43.30 | Tekkub | "oh and center it on the caster" |
| 05:43.48 | Wobin | Starfall is the cause of the most wipes since the introduction of psychic scream =P |
| 05:43.48 | Tekkub | "oh and make it last a few seconds so that if they move it might hit something else" |
| 05:44.16 | Tekkub | [Druid] Oh noes two adds, let me whip out my shiney new AoE! |
| 05:44.24 | Tekkub | [Druid[ fuck 4 more ads run away! |
| 05:44.27 | Wobin | If Starfall teaches you anything, it's range =P And how -not- to move a fucking inch after casting it |
| 05:44.36 | Tekkub | [Druid] ACK where did those other 3 come from! |
| 05:44.38 | Wobin | You learn -really- quick how far 30yards is |
| 05:45.26 | Tekkub | yea first time Blake whipped that shit out and got us 4 adds... I'm like "dude, watch the AoE" he's like "what AoE" |
| 05:45.44 | Tekkub | DO YOU NOT READ WHAT YOUR NEW SPELLS DO? |
| 05:45.56 | Wobin | "It had a pretty name!" |
| 05:46.30 | Tekkub | "Oh and lets make each mob being hit do splash damage so that it can pull it's friends in that are just out of range |
| 05:46.35 | Wobin | hehe |
| 05:46.38 | Wobin | As I said before |
| 05:46.43 | Wobin | Best Spell EVER |
| 05:46.56 | Tekkub | "duuuude! best evil spell design evar!" |
| 05:46.59 | Wobin | It's like training someone to juggle. But with chainsaws |
| 05:47.29 | Wobin | Also, currently, prepatch, it's the griefiest pvp idling spell ever |
| 05:47.31 | Iriel | burning chainsaws? |
| 05:47.36 | Tekkub | chainsaws that bounce when they hit someone |
| 05:47.37 | Wobin | Iriel: Yes! |
| 05:47.57 | Tekkub | flamethrowers might be a better analagy |
| 05:48.09 | Tekkub | cause they just hit EVERYTHING |
| 05:48.11 | Wobin | Flag. Cast starfall. Flightform. Go grief other flagged players that are idling in midair |
| 05:48.28 | Wobin | chainsaws covered in burning napalm! |
| 05:48.32 | Tekkub | flightform in combat? |
| 05:48.44 | Wobin | casting it won't put you in combat I don't believe |
| 05:48.47 | Wobin | until you hit something |
| 05:48.56 | Tekkub | you think it won't hit something before GCD is up? |
| 05:49.05 | Wobin | if you're out of range, sure |
| 05:49.13 | Tekkub | but.. INSANE RANGE |
| 05:49.16 | Wobin | hehe =) |
| 05:49.27 | Wobin | maybe cast it, flightform, then flag |
| 05:51.12 | Tekkub | so... http://tekkub.github.com/ http://tekkub.github.com/tg/ |
| 05:51.21 | Tekkub | much faster than my rails site :) |
| 05:51.41 | Tekkub | not sure why I did rails anyway, aside from it was just quicker cause it's what I knew |
| 05:52.31 | ZorbaTHut | starfall is hilarious. it's like, oh no, adds! I have a problem! Cast Starfall! OH SHIT NOW I HAVE A REALLY BIG PROBLEM |
| 05:53.17 | Tekkub | RUN AWAY! OH NOES MORE ADDS! |
| 05:53.30 | Tekkub | WHY DOES EVERYING I GET NEAR ATTACK ME! |
| 05:53.59 | ZorbaTHut | I half suspect it's a developer joke - druids were just too good, so they added an ability to makes you die more frequently and thus level more slowly |
| 05:56.06 | Hjalte | ZorbaTHut: I pulled the stone boss in Halls of Stone with Starfall once, he came all the way down to us with all adds in the cave following him :) |
| 05:56.36 | Tain | The big equalizer is that everyone else hates Druids. |
| 05:57.30 | ZorbaTHut | hjalte, from beneath him, I'm guessing? |
| 05:58.17 | Hjalte | ZorbaTHut: Yeah. It's the cave layout that's used often in Northrend with a hole in it at the start, making you able to jump fast out of it afterwards. |
| 05:58.37 | ZorbaTHut | I got knocked through that hole when I was tanking that fight for the first time :D |
| 05:58.48 | Iriel | Whatever possessed blizzard to give DK's training in all weapons they could use, except for maces |
| 05:58.52 | Iriel | it seems so arbitrary |
| 06:00.28 | Wobin | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ae21414a63/death-metal-puppy-from-that-happened |
| 06:00.40 | Wobin | it's to weed out the DKs that don't read things |
| 06:01.49 | Tain | I like maces. :( |
| 06:05.20 | Wobin | Tain: indeed Titansteel destroyer is shiny |
| 06:05.33 | Kirov | I always wanted Ragnaros on my lvl 60 Hunter. |
| 06:06.13 | Kirov | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17182 |
| 06:09.10 | Kirov | My guild I was one got one of those in the year of raiding MC with 3 seperate 40 mans running weekly. |
| 06:09.44 | Kirov | And no thunderfury. |
| 06:10.27 | Kirov | Another guild that started up during that time, after we'd been doing one night MC runs for a few months, had 5-6 Sulfuras and 10 thunderfurys ... in 3 months. |
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| 06:14.01 | Hirsute | Okay... this is really bugging me. Anyone else notice that opening clams seems to place the resultant meat in stacks of one, rather than stacking it up to max stack now? |
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| 06:15.16 | Iriel | yes |
| 06:15.22 | Iriel | a few other things work that way too now |
| 06:15.25 | Iriel | for no apparent reason |
| 06:16.02 | Tem | it's probably to balance the fact that clams now stack |
| 06:16.44 | Kirov | Because they're currency |
| 06:17.13 | Kirov | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34597#currency-for |
| 06:17.15 | Tekkub | currency clams aren't openable |
| 06:18.51 | ZorbaTHut | hirsute, this is when I'm glad that Baggins has an autostack button |
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| 06:19.44 | Hirsute | Tem: Except that you can manually stack the meat, it just doesn't automatically stack. |
| 06:20.23 | Hirsute | Kirov: Not Winterfin Clams, just about *any* clam... even the old world ones. |
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| 06:21.21 | Hirsute | Kill a bunch of murlocs, they drop a three clams (which, wonderfully, now stack). Open the clams, and the meat is placed in 3 separate bag spots. You can pick it up and drop it into one stack, but it doesn't do it automatically any more. |
| 06:21.33 | Hirsute | I just wanted to make sure it wasn't an addon misbehaving or anything. |
| 06:21.54 | Tekkub | addons can't decide where items go in your bag when looted |
| 06:22.29 | Hirsute | Tekkub: Well, that clinches it, then. |
| 06:22.32 | Hirsute | Not an addon. |
| 06:22.58 | Hirsute | I really do need to check out Baggins, it looks to be cool. |
| 06:23.10 | Tekkub | *cry* I think I had two cancer sores, not one.. and they've now merged into one big one |
| 06:23.26 | Hirsute | cancer sores? |
| 06:23.40 | Tekkub | yes |
| 06:23.44 | Tekkub | thank jeebus for Kanka |
| 06:24.46 | Iriel | http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/canker-sore/DS00354 |
| 06:24.53 | Iriel | I think that's what you meant |
| 06:25.10 | Hirsute | Aaaah, canker sores. |
| 06:25.10 | Tekkub | I've never seen it spelled with a k before |
| 06:25.19 | Hirsute | Much less worrisome than cancer sores. |
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| 07:12.25 | Tekkub | fuck you random number generator |
| 07:12.30 | Tekkub | I swear it taunts me |
| 07:12.49 | Tekkub | instead of giving me a perfect gem every few cuts... I get none for al ong time then I get 4 on the same cut |
| 07:17.05 | Shirik | heh, I broke Netbeans |
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| 07:17.39 | Shirik | I have an anonymous class with an error that it thinks it knows how to assist me on, so I click for assistance and it throws a NullPointerException and says to me "Create new method waitForUser() in class null" |
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| 07:39.47 | Alfuin | good morning!! |
| 07:39.51 | Alfuin | :) |
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| 07:40.18 | Alfuin | heya Wimpface! you followed :D |
| 07:40.24 | Wimpface | ofcourse i did :) |
| 07:40.38 | Wimpface | holy shit there are a lot of people here |
| 07:40.50 | Alfuin | I wonder if anyone can help me localize an addon to spanish/german/french or russian? |
| 07:47.53 | Alfuin | not many awake here yet, wimpface... |
| 07:49.19 | Wimpface | figured :( |
| 07:51.19 | Alfuin | that, or they don't want to voulenteer :P |
| 07:52.52 | Wimpface | ! |
| 07:53.51 | Antiarc | Alfuin: What's the addon? |
| 07:53.59 | Alfuin | Ka-ching! |
| 07:53.59 | Antiarc | If it uses AceLocale, it's very easy to localize |
| 07:54.09 | Alfuin | no, it uses no |
| 07:54.14 | Alfuin | no, it uses no Ace |
| 07:54.25 | Antiarc | Oh, you're speaking from an author standpoint, not a translator standpoint |
| 07:56.14 | Alfuin | said in a different way, i want help translating some phrases in my addon so i can localize it for spanish/german/french/russian |
| 07:56.51 | Alfuin | i got mexican, korean, simplified chinese and traditional chinese in there too, but not asking anyone here to do that, unless.. :P |
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| 07:57.07 | Wimpface | unleess.... |
| 07:57.19 | Alfuin | there happen to be one speaking either of those languages |
| 07:57.28 | Wimpface | anyways, i'd like to ask a question |
| 07:57.35 | Antiarc | ~asktoask |
| 07:57.36 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 07:58.06 | Wimpface | does anyone know what the default blizzard template file is called? The one that applies to buffs and action buttons |
| 07:58.30 | nevcairiel | ActionButtonTemplate.xml? :) |
| 07:58.31 | Antiarc | Not off the top of my head, but grab the Blizzard UI kit. You can extract the base UI, and then search around in that. |
| 07:58.34 | nevcairiel | Boy that was easy |
| 07:58.34 | Antiarc | That's the one. |
| 07:58.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ~framexml |
| 07:58.42 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 07:58.56 | Wimpface | ii have it :p |
| 07:58.59 | nevcairiel | the buff-button-template is in BuffFrame.xml |
| 07:59.03 | nevcairiel | called AuraButtonTemplate |
| 07:59.09 | Wimpface | just thought that it was an art file |
| 07:59.12 | Wimpface | thx guys |
| 07:59.12 | Alfuin | he's just too lazy to find it :D |
| 07:59.16 | Antiarc | Gah, proxying nginx to haproxy to Apache and my host headers are poofing somewhere along the way. |
| 07:59.19 | Wimpface | lies alfuin :p |
| 07:59.26 | Alfuin | truth wimpface :D |
| 07:59.41 | Wimpface | i actually looked through every single folder in the art folder that comes with the addon kit :( |
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| 08:01.43 | Alfuin | ok, if nobody here can help translate, anyone got suggestion where i can find such help? |
| 08:01.55 | Antiarc | Alfuin: The best bet is users of your mod |
| 08:02.14 | Antiarc | The way localization usually works for my mods is that I commit my mod with english locale files, then users provide localizations for their languages. |
| 08:02.16 | Alfuin | yeah, i guess. i tried babelfish but it sucks :P |
| 08:02.39 | Wimpface | now i really am being lazy, but is there no other way to edit ActionButtonTemplate but going into xml? :p |
| 08:02.50 | Antiarc | Wimpface: You'd want to inherit it |
| 08:03.10 | Wimpface | and that means what for a noob? :p |
| 08:03.22 | Alfuin | antiarc, do you request in any way help, like in comment in the localization.lua? |
| 08:03.35 | Antiarc | Alfuin: Not generally. I just wait for someone to submit localization. |
| 08:03.47 | Antiarc | Stuff usually gets localized pretty quickly if it's all popular |
| 08:03.57 | Antiarc | Wimpface: Uhh, I'd have to find an article to explain it all |
| 08:04.06 | Wimpface | Dont mind then :) |
| 08:04.08 | Alfuin | so for now i add the option to localize it, but default all versions to english... |
| 08:04.09 | Wimpface | i'll work things out |
| 08:04.25 | Antiarc | Alfuin: A robust localization system makes it pretty easy |
| 08:04.27 | mikma | hey why is two wows giving completely different GetTime() result? |
| 08:04.51 | Antiarc | mikma: GetTime() is time since system boot, I think |
| 08:04.59 | Antiarc | I may be misremembering |
| 08:05.03 | Antiarc | I don't think it's the actual time time |
| 08:05.11 | mikma | gah |
| 08:05.13 | Antiarc | Returns the system uptime of your computer in seconds, with millisecond precision. |
| 08:05.20 | Alfuin | i feel my localization.lua is appropriate. :) well, thanks for your help antiarc |
| 08:05.21 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTime |
| 08:05.56 | Antiarc | Alfuin: I mean, have a system that uses a native localization if available, else fall back to the default (in this case, enUS) translation |
| 08:05.59 | mikma | antiarc: that surely explains why am i seeing weird values :I |
| 08:06.12 | Antiarc | That way it's not all-or-nothing and people can localize as it suits them |
| 08:06.39 | Alfuin | antiarc: it does that. just editing this version to default to english |
| 08:06.42 | mikma | hmmmh |
| 08:06.44 | Antiarc | Cool :) |
| 08:06.50 | mikma | i wonder will simple 'time()' just do it then |
| 08:07.03 | Antiarc | Yes, it will |
| 08:07.08 | Antiarc | It doesn't have millisecond precision though |
| 08:07.17 | Antiarc | GetTime is usually used for benchmarking, time() is for the actual calendar time |
| 08:07.19 | Wimpface | hmm, it seems that UI-Quickslot2.blp is the actual graphic for ActionButtonTemplate |
| 08:07.26 | Shirik | it has millisecond precision! |
| 08:07.26 | Wimpface | editing that edited my action buttons |
| 08:07.32 | Shirik | just not granularity |
| 08:07.38 | Antiarc | Shirik: Shh. :P |
| 08:07.42 | Shirik | But you can easily add the precision on top of it |
| 08:07.50 | Shirik | s/precision/granularity/ |
| 08:07.52 | Wimpface | lol |
| 08:08.40 | Shirik | Within 1 second of startup, you know the offset between GetTime() and time(), mod 1s, so you can determine the current time with millisecond precision (neglecting clock skew, which we hope should be negligable) |
| 08:09.15 | Shirik | I really should not be thinking this hard at 3 AM |
| 08:10.00 | Wimpface | it's 9 am here :( |
| 08:10.07 | krka | 9.10 here :( |
| 08:10.17 | Wimpface | exacty |
| 08:10.19 | Wimpface | exactly * |
| 08:11.15 | Antiarc | http://www.holytaco.com/if-i-die-bacon-related-death-id-it-be-because |
| 08:12.38 | Alfuin | Mmmm, bacon... grgrgrlllllll |
| 08:12.53 | Alfuin | did that sound like Homer or a murloc? :P |
| 08:13.22 | Wimpface | murloc |
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| 08:13.29 | Alfuin | hehe |
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| 08:24.20 | Mike-N-Go | I am reading some code, I do not understand what "local c = select("#", ...)" is, could someone please explain that to me? |
| 08:25.26 | Elkano | most likely it's inside a function a(...) <code> end block, isn't it? |
| 08:25.34 | Mike-N-Go | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104624 is the snippet it is in. |
| 08:26.02 | Elkano | ... will then hold all arguments passed into the function nad the code you posted will store the number of arguments passed inside the local variable c |
| 08:27.19 | Mike-N-Go | What does the select() do? |
| 08:28.03 | Elkano | it selects ;) |
| 08:28.33 | Elkano | normaly, you would set up a function like function func(a, b, c, d) |
| 08:29.10 | Elkano | in this case it is set up as function func(...) and then using select the individual parameters can be accessed. |
| 08:29.31 | Elkano | this is mostly done when you don't know how many arguments will be passed into the function |
| 08:29.55 | Elkano | select(1, ...) will select the first arg passed in and so on |
| 08:29.58 | Mike-N-Go | What does the # do? Sort them? |
| 08:30.16 | Elkano | secet("#", ...) will return the number of arguments that have been matched by ... |
| 08:30.36 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, I see why the programmer did that. CraftyGnome I am looking at. |
| 08:31.20 | Elkano | you can also use select if you have a function returning multiple arguments if you are eg only interested in the third return value: c = select(3, func()) |
| 08:32.48 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, a bit less messy then doing _,_,_ = someFunc() |
| 08:33.05 | Elkano | yeah |
| 08:33.10 | krka | no it's not! |
| 08:33.13 | Elkano | lua> print(test) |
| 08:33.14 | lua_bot | Elkano: nil |
| 08:33.52 | Elkano | lua> print(select(3, (function() return 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 end)())) |
| 08:33.53 | lua_bot | Elkano: 3, 4, 5 |
| 08:38.20 | mikma | what the fuck, why can't the game join chatchannels with /script JoinPermanentChannel("name") |
| 08:38.26 | mikma | it does nothing |
| 08:38.31 | mikma | but /join name works |
| 08:38.32 | Mike-N-Go | Elkano: Thanks for explain' that. |
| 08:41.23 | mikma | my WoW works just fine, joins the channel i make it to |
| 08:41.29 | mikma | but my wife's wow won't |
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| 08:47.09 | Fisker- | No channels are permanent |
| 08:47.14 | Fisker- | because one day the universe will end |
| 08:47.45 | mikma | i just don't get it, it won't join no matter what commands i use |
| 08:47.53 | mikma | but if i type the channel manually, it works |
| 08:47.56 | Fisker- | lua> print("Fisker- is awesum" |
| 08:47.57 | lua_bot | Fisker-: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 08:47.58 | Fisker- | i fails |
| 08:48.01 | Fisker- | lua> print("Fisker- is awesum"); |
| 08:48.02 | lua_bot | Fisker-: Fisker- is awesum |
| 08:48.04 | Fisker- | yay |
| 08:49.16 | mikma | is there some sort of lock that can prevent addons from joining channels? |
| 08:50.37 | Alfuin | i call a funciton once on event ADDON_LOADED, yet it runs twice. any thoughts? |
| 08:51.01 | Alfuin | function* |
| 08:51.16 | Mike-N-Go | Loads for each addon loaded. |
| 08:51.20 | Mike-N-Go | called, rather. |
| 08:51.36 | mikma | alfuin: if event == "ADDON_LOADED" and loaded = false then loaded = true myfunction() end |
| 08:51.52 | Alfuin | ok |
| 08:51.56 | mikma | of course you can try this... |
| 08:52.22 | mikma | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self,event,arg1) if arg1 == "MyAddon" then loadstuff() end end) |
| 08:52.30 | mikma | might work if ADDON_LOADED fires the name |
| 08:52.31 | Mike-N-Go | Try if event == "ADDON_LOADED"then if name == "my addon" then.. |
| 08:52.57 | Alfuin | does having two lua files count as two addons? |
| 08:53.15 | mikma | no |
| 08:53.17 | Mike-N-Go | Depends, are they called by separate .toc files? |
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| 08:53.22 | Alfuin | no |
| 08:53.31 | Mike-N-Go | One .toc file per one addon, I think it is. |
| 08:53.35 | Alfuin | it only loads one addon then |
| 08:53.49 | Mike-N-Go | Are both files listed in your .toc file? |
| 08:53.57 | Alfuin | yes |
| 08:54.05 | Mike-N-Go | What is the problem? |
| 08:54.18 | Alfuin | ADDON_LOADED fires twice |
| 08:54.56 | Mike-N-Go | You need to first look for ADDON_LOADED, and then the addon you want to run code when it is loaded. |
| 08:55.37 | Mike-N-Go | ADDON_LOADED fires for all your addons, not just the file it is in. |
| 08:55.56 | Mike-N-Go | Does that help? |
| 08:55.58 | Alfuin | if (event="ADDON_LOADED) then MyFunction() return end |
| 08:56.19 | Mike-N-Go | How about pasting your code to http://wowuidev.pastey.net/? |
| 08:56.24 | Alfuin | sure |
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| 08:58.13 | Alfuin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104626 from line 132 |
| 08:59.22 | Mike-N-Go | Could you submit the .toc file too? |
| 08:59.29 | Patrick_P | Damn... i just grouped with a moron who was telling me it was impossible to tank in unholy spec... he tryied to say I been crushed on trash mobs to not admit he's not able to heal in heroics... |
| 08:59.32 | Alfuin | moment |
| 09:00.34 | Mike-N-Go | Why did you pick "VARIABLES_LOADED" and ADDON_LOADED"? |
| 09:01.00 | Mike-N-Go | !lua |
| 09:01.08 | Zyndrome | Patrick_P , install Acheron, post the log to chat after you died, and tell him he sucks |
| 09:01.12 | Alfuin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104627 the toc file |
| 09:01.23 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 09:01.39 | Patrick_P | but i loved the crushing part on crash mobs tho... |
| 09:01.47 | Patrick_P | trash* |
| 09:03.28 | Mike-N-Go | Alfuin: Note the changes in the event handler: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104628 |
| 09:03.46 | Mike-N-Go | Try that; I think that might be what you need, though you need to test it. |
| 09:03.55 | Patrick_P | I'd like to see a blue post telling unholy is as much viable as other specs.... i could link it to these retards |
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| 09:04.14 | Alfuin | line 133? |
| 09:04.52 | Mike-N-Go | Change-log: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104628-g8ax:104626-1koe |
| 09:05.23 | Alfuin | i will try that then... |
| 09:06.58 | Patrick_P | what's acherron tho? |
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| 09:07.16 | Alfuin | mike-n-go: now it does not fire at all |
| 09:08.00 | Mike-N-Go | Try arg1 instead of name. |
| 09:08.10 | Patrick_P | nm i found it... misspelled it |
| 09:08.20 | Alfuin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104629 |
| 09:08.25 | Alfuin | ok, trying arg1 |
| 09:09.01 | Alfuin | thanks arg1 worked |
| 09:09.17 | Alfuin | maybe i should work that "if" into all my event handlers... |
| 09:09.32 | Mike-N-Go | Alfuin: You do not need to make a new pasty each time, I recommend you paste into the box at the bottom of the previous pasties. |
| 09:09.47 | Alfuin | not so familiar with pastey |
| 09:09.51 | Mike-N-Go | That makes it easier to keep track of 'em. |
| 09:09.57 | Alfuin | k |
| 09:10.21 | Mike-N-Go | Any reason you picked "VARIABLES_LOADED" and ADDON_LOADED"? |
| 09:10.33 | ZorbaTHut | man, I definitely need to finish up the nasty parts of this so I can start working on really understanding the semibroken bits :( |
| 09:10.35 | mikma | anyway, eventho the channeljoining bugs, heres my newest babyh |
| 09:10.37 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FWintergraspTimer%2F#_WintergraspTimer_ |
| 09:10.40 | Alfuin | followed an example... any suggestion for change?` |
| 09:10.54 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/events is a good list of events. |
| 09:11.25 | Mike-N-Go | Is there any reason you do not have them combined? |
| 09:11.38 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121908_081949.jpg <- the addon in NinjaPanel |
| 09:11.43 | Mike-N-Go | I do not think you need both vars and addon loaded. |
| 09:11.56 | Alfuin | i am new to lua coding, i didn't know both were not needed. i followed an example |
| 09:12.06 | Alfuin | maybe it was a bad example :P |
| 09:12.07 | Mike-N-Go | We all were there once. |
| 09:12.29 | Mike-N-Go | Haha. Not all examples are perfect templets. |
| 09:12.47 | Alfuin | ok, trying to work those two together now |
| 09:12.48 | Patrick_P | anyone got a viable frost tank spec? |
| 09:13.08 | Mike-N-Go | Just play around with how you do things; see what works, and learn from what does not. |
| 09:13.15 | mikma | patrick_p: check Oe in Emerald Dream |
| 09:13.23 | ZorbaTHut | who wants to buy an egg nog recipe! only 5 gold, what a great deal |
| 09:13.27 | Mike-N-Go | And reference, reference, reference! |
| 09:13.40 | mikma | patrick_p: thats my current frost pvp spec but it has all the tanking-goods in it |
| 09:14.03 | Mike-N-Go | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1 is a megathreaad about programing in WoW. |
| 09:14.05 | Patrick_P | eu or us? |
| 09:14.10 | mikma | eu |
| 09:14.15 | Patrick_P | k thx |
| 09:14.28 | Mike-N-Go | And the wowprogramming.com site is good, as well as wowwiki.com/api |
| 09:14.31 | Patrick_P | nice name tho:) |
| 09:14.54 | mikma | the howling blast crits like a moose |
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| 09:35.51 | ZorbaTHut | do moose crit in a specific fashion? |
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| 09:50.15 | Maldivia | ahh... |
| 09:50.33 | Maldivia | grease monkey is nice :) |
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| 10:04.30 | Patrick_P | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/deathknight/talents.html?tal=0050000000000000000000000003250535103032110301205131351005200000000000000000000000000 |
| 10:04.41 | Patrick_P | what do u think about this build? |
| 10:04.53 | Patrick_P | for frost tanking |
| 10:05.50 | krka | it's got a lot of zeroes in it! |
| 10:06.03 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 10:06.53 | Patrick_P | I think it could be veri viable... even if i don't believe in dw tanking... |
| 10:06.59 | Patrick_P | very* |
| 10:07.18 | nevcairiel | any form of DW for DKs is just stupid |
| 10:07.19 | nevcairiel | imho |
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| 10:08.50 | Patrick_P | welll.. the only reason why i'm getting it it's to stack tanking weapons cuz my gear kinda sucks atm... |
| 10:09.56 | Patrick_P | but dw don't feels like a dk... lol |
| 10:11.23 | nevcairiel | You need so much more hit rating to make up on the threat part |
| 10:13.20 | Patrick_P | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/deathknight/talents.html?tal=0050000000000000000000000003250505133032110301205131351005200000000000000000000000000 then? |
| 10:13.55 | Patrick_P | removed dw and got annihilation instead |
| 10:14.37 | Patrick_P | and my blood strikes are going to generate more threat |
| 10:16.09 | Wobin | You shouldn't DW unless you -really- have the gear for it |
| 10:16.50 | Codayus | Acclimation is meh for most fights. And Bladed Armour is very good for threat. Runic Power Master is also weak. |
| 10:17.04 | Patrick_P | k |
| 10:17.17 | Patrick_P | and imp DnD? i should get it? |
| 10:17.37 | Patrick_P | frost aura? |
| 10:18.33 | Codayus | Frost Aura doesn't stack with anything, so it's weak, but... *shrug* Depends on the fight and the raid makeup. Only 2 points, in any case. |
| 10:19.03 | Wobin | There's an imp DnD? |
| 10:19.08 | Patrick_P | welll |
| 10:19.11 | Patrick_P | well* |
| 10:19.29 | Patrick_P | morbidity |
| 10:19.40 | Patrick_P | bt just for the 15 sec on ddn |
| 10:19.43 | Patrick_P | dnd |
| 10:20.22 | Patrick_P | that is mostly down if we spam spells using runes... |
| 10:20.26 | Codayus | It's good for AoE threat if your having issues. You also might consider Subversion; that's good for single target threat. |
| 10:21.22 | Patrick_P | or 2h spec... |
| 10:22.04 | Wobin | I find morbidity useful |
| 10:22.08 | Wobin | esp for adds |
| 10:22.49 | Wobin | if you have the runes for it, it's a much faster grab of multiple adds than Pestilence |
| 10:23.11 | Wobin | and a bit less attention needed than bloodboil |
| 10:23.17 | Patrick_P | i don't know if the 4% damage from 2h spec count in the oblit and blood strike damage calculation and if it is viable |
| 10:23.40 | Wobin | Patrick_P: have you looked on EJ? |
| 10:23.46 | Patrick_P | ej? |
| 10:24.07 | Patrick_P | i don't even know what it is... |
| 10:24.33 | Wobin | Elitist Jerks message board |
| 10:24.41 | Wobin | that's where a lot of theorycrafting goes on |
| 10:24.45 | Wobin | http://elitistjerks.com/f72/ |
| 10:24.50 | Patrick_P | k thx |
| 10:25.19 | Kalroth | it's full of jerks though! |
| 10:26.39 | Mike-N-Go | Error: -10810 The application âWorld of Warcraftâ cannot be launched. I guess Time Machine is backing up WoW.. |
| 10:27.39 | Wobin | They need to fix ebon plague |
| 10:27.49 | Wobin | So that more than one DK can apply it on a single target |
| 10:28.50 | nevcairiel | DPS is all blood and the other two tanks are frost, too |
| 10:28.54 | Wobin | my guild is a little too big for that |
| 10:29.40 | nevcairiel | the new 2H tanking weapons look awesome, though |
| 10:29.44 | nevcairiel | nice to close the defense gap |
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| 10:30.07 | nevcairiel | although i wonder |
| 10:30.16 | nevcairiel | wtf did they think when they applied this style |
| 10:30.17 | nevcairiel | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/titansteeldefender.jpg |
| 10:30.21 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:30.23 | Wobin | actually |
| 10:30.24 | nevcairiel | look at the stats, it says "Sword" |
| 10:30.29 | nevcairiel | doesnt look so sword-ish to me |
| 10:30.40 | Wobin | there are only 7 lvl 80 dks |
| 10:31.10 | Wobin | and maybe 5 that are above 75 |
| 10:32.13 | Wobin | 3 blood, 4 unholy and one... mix |
| 10:32.23 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:32.35 | Wobin | frost/unholy 32/39 |
| 10:32.45 | Wobin | I really don't know -why- you'd want both auras |
| 10:33.32 | nevcairiel | more auras, more awesome |
| 10:33.34 | nevcairiel | obviously |
| 10:33.37 | Wobin | clearly |
| 10:33.49 | Wobin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=Nightblossom |
| 10:33.53 | Wobin | it's a bit of a bizzare spec |
| 10:34.15 | Wobin | oh she's DWing |
| 10:34.44 | nevcairiel | its still bizzare |
| 10:34.48 | nevcairiel | AMZ is rather shitty |
| 10:35.11 | nevcairiel | gargoyle .. shrug |
| 10:35.38 | nevcairiel | whats that supposed to be? tanking? :P |
| 10:35.47 | Wobin | not with that gear |
| 10:36.11 | Wobin | oh maybe hm |
| 10:36.18 | nevcairiel | it has some key tanking talents |
| 10:36.19 | nevcairiel | but then |
| 10:36.21 | nevcairiel | others not |
| 10:36.25 | Wobin | she has 511 def |
| 10:36.27 | nevcairiel | that spec is just shit |
| 10:36.27 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 10:37.54 | nevcairiel | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Antonidas&n=Elrenia |
| 10:37.55 | Wobin | ... sword? |
| 10:37.56 | nevcairiel | me currently |
| 10:38.02 | Wobin | wtf is -that- a sword? |
| 10:38.20 | Wobin | That's almost as bad as Joss Whedon calling that -thing- a scythe =P |
| 10:38.46 | nevcairiel | haha yeah, must be a mistake, the icon even has that axe thingy |
| 10:38.57 | nevcairiel | the second tank weapon is a real sword, though |
| 10:39.02 | nevcairiel | instead of defense, it has parry |
| 10:39.06 | Wobin | hm, I -may- be defcapped at 80 with the new rune |
| 10:39.26 | Wobin | so I don't necessarily need the def on the weapon unless I need to swap armour out |
| 10:39.37 | Wobin | but I'll probably get it made anyway =) |
| 10:39.50 | nevcairiel | I'm still thinking how it will play out, the naxxramas gear doesnt have that much defense either |
| 10:41.41 | Wobin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=Snuusnu |
| 10:41.42 | Wobin | is me atm |
| 10:41.50 | zenzio | our DK tank is at 539 or so defense now |
| 10:42.58 | zenzio | or maybe it was 535. At least it's getting close to cap |
| 10:43.02 | Wobin | hm, need to respec once I hit 80 |
| 10:43.06 | Patrick_P | 540 isn't the cap? |
| 10:43.15 | nevcairiel | 540 is, ya |
| 10:43.36 | Patrick_P | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jcEZGxxthcbohRVosx0g i think its the best i can make... |
| 10:44.27 | Patrick_P | is frost viable for dps a bit too? |
| 10:44.57 | Wobin | How useful is Hungering Cold, really? |
| 10:46.01 | Patrick_P | i think it isn't since boss are immune... and damage will brake it... inclusing dots and noob hunters... lol |
| 10:46.20 | Wobin | every time I've seen it in use, it breaks cause there are other DKs in the party =P |
| 10:46.23 | Patrick_P | including* |
| 10:46.35 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 10:46.36 | nevcairiel | hungering cold is more pvp or something |
| 10:46.45 | Wobin | hm, probably |
| 10:46.53 | Wobin | a nice frostnova sort of thing |
| 10:47.28 | Patrick_P | which rune should i forge on my weapon? |
| 10:47.38 | Patrick_P | for frost dps |
| 10:48.33 | nevcairiel | fallen crusader |
| 10:48.36 | nevcairiel | like all dps =P |
| 10:49.04 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 10:50.10 | Patrick_P | but what about razorice? |
| 10:50.27 | Patrick_P | isn't frost vulnerability a good thing? |
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| 10:56.21 | Mike-N-Go | I present to you, my new addon! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11931-TradeSecretaryWhoCrafts.html please verify. |
| 10:58.38 | foxlit | My army of dunking birds is finally here! |
| 11:02.27 | Patrick_P | well thx for the help guys i think i got a solid build now... |
| 11:05.54 | Patrick_P | i'm planning to build an addon which will put a 2 colored (blue and yellow) dots on the action buttons containing spells affected by the 2 dk diseases... they gonna apear when the diseases affected by the spell isn't up on the mop tou are targetting... think is's a god idea? |
| 11:06.27 | Patrick_P | mobs you are targetting* |
| 11:07.53 | Patrick_P | I found it hard to track my diseases on the mobs so far... |
| 11:08.23 | foxlit | Do you watch your action bars while playing? |
| 11:08.36 | Patrick_P | often... |
| 11:08.41 | Patrick_P | i know i fail... |
| 11:08.54 | Patrick_P | i'm click casting.... |
| 11:09.13 | amro | on DK? I ran out of ideas for keybinds |
| 11:09.19 | Patrick_P | but i'm sure i'm not the only one... |
| 11:09.32 | nevcairiel | i finally managed to bind most spells i need |
| 11:09.34 | amro | I even have ACS ACW bound |
| 11:09.46 | nevcairiel | damn DK needs too many spells in a regular rotation =P |
| 11:09.56 | amro | yeah, but it's fun :D |
| 11:11.46 | Patrick_P | i hate dk t7 |
| 11:12.06 | Patrick_P | looks ugly on a female dorf... lol |
| 11:12.22 | nevcairiel | thats not the fault of t7 |
| 11:12.23 | amro | anything looks ugly on a female dwarf |
| 11:13.27 | Patrick_P | lawl |
| 11:14.21 | Patrick_P | nah kidding... i changed my sex today... the surgery don't hurt and it cost a lot more than when i did it in the real life... |
| 11:14.32 | Patrick_P | a lot less* |
| 11:15.42 | Patrick_P | lol jk... I never changed sex in wow yet i'm lying:P |
| 11:18.27 | Patrick_P | chould i use howling blast if there's only 1 mob or i should use oblit instead? |
| 11:18.33 | Patrick_P | should* |
| 11:19.36 | Wobin | "We typically design Idols et al. without say Strength or Stam on them because we don't want them to just be guns with different art that you can't shoot." |
| 11:19.37 | Wobin | pft |
| 11:19.49 | Wobin | I'd be quite happy with a gun with str and stam that didn't shoot =P |
| 11:20.15 | Wobin | You could call it "Red Ryder BB Gun" |
| 11:20.26 | Wobin | And have it blind your target on use. |
| 11:22.14 | Wobin | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/ss251.jpg is great |
| 11:25.46 | Wobin | also, bludlemon wins again in the "really amusing comic" stake http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#243 |
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| 11:35.10 | nevcairiel | haha nice |
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| 11:42.19 | kromar | hi |
| 11:44.22 | kromar | if i have no xml file for my addon, how do i register an event in lua? do i need to create a frame and assign an event to it or how does it work? |
| 11:45.07 | zenzio | yes, you always register events to frames |
| 11:46.32 | zenzio | what sort of event are you talking about, click/hide/etc, or OnEvent-type events? |
| 11:48.44 | kromar | well first of all i want my chat commands to be loaded |
| 11:49.17 | zenzio | you've already lost me. Stick to one subject at a time please :-p |
| 11:49.24 | zenzio | anyway, have a look at http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetScript |
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| 11:50.03 | kromar | isnt that the same subject? |
| 11:50.24 | kromar | how do i load the commands without an event? i dont think thats possible... |
| 11:50.29 | zenzio | not without further information. Having your chat commands loaded doesn't have to have anything to do with events |
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| 11:53.04 | kromar | i used to have my chat commands in the onLoad event... isnt that needed? |
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| 11:56.05 | zenzio | that depends entirely on when you want them to be available |
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| 11:57.04 | zenzio | I'm not sure how the slash commands work, if it's safe to use them when your addon loads or whether you should wait for P_E_W or something like that |
| 11:57.31 | kromar | whats P_E_W? |
| 11:57.41 | zenzio | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 11:57.46 | zenzio | OnEvent-event |
| 11:57.48 | kromar | ah ok |
| 11:57.49 | Cairenn | player entering world |
| 11:58.16 | kromar | it normally worked without problems with onload. |
| 11:58.55 | kromar | however, do i need to create a frame for it to register the onLoad? |
| 11:59.14 | zenzio | like I said, you can't have events without a frame |
| 11:59.44 | zenzio | but if you create a frame through lua, it won't have an OnLoad, so you'll have to call the "on-load" function manually |
| 12:00.31 | kromar | ok but if i create other frames later i can assign events directly to them, right? |
| 12:01.53 | zenzio | kromar: have a look at the link I gave you a bit ago, and/or look up SetScript on wowwiki |
| 12:03.11 | kromar | oh i see, thx |
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| 12:18.56 | frop | anyone using Dominos? Sometimes, vehicle "possesion" bar (when you use vehicles) bugs out and i cannot use abilities |
| 12:19.04 | frop | it's a known bug maybe? |
| 12:21.17 | nevcairiel | thats a blizzard bug |
| 12:21.29 | nevcairiel | happens with default ui too |
| 12:21.52 | frop | mmhm, doing the Dragon quest in Storm Peaks...tried to /reloadui, but didn't help |
| 12:21.53 | frop | :P |
| 12:22.01 | frop | guess i need to restart wow? |
| 12:22.11 | nevcairiel | yeah a relog fixes it |
| 12:22.20 | frop | kk cheers :) |
| 12:27.18 | Wobin | frop: Delete your cache folder |
| 12:27.28 | Wobin | and don't enter the vehicle while you have a pet out |
| 12:28.06 | tlund | is there a "new" beta of the curse updater? |
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| 12:45.03 | frop | Wobin first time i do it...doesn't matter if i've a pet |
| 12:45.09 | frop | ...it works |
| 12:45.12 | frop | 2nd didnt |
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| 12:59.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:59.45 | Wobin | Beneath a Steel Sky |
| 13:00.03 | Wobin | I like how it's set in post apocalyptic Australia |
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| 13:40.15 | zenzio | happy almost-weekend Lopeppeppy |
| 13:40.36 | Lopeppeppy | Happy almost-blizzard weekend, zenzio. Want some snow if I package it up? |
| 13:41.13 | Kalroth | I'll take a handful! |
| 13:42.19 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie. |
| 13:43.40 | zenzio | your balls are too soft Kalroth |
| 13:43.47 | Kalroth | :( |
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| 13:46.35 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 13:48.09 | Kalroth | poor Lopeppeppy, she was all innocent before joining this channel. |
| 13:48.14 | Wobin | That's what sh.. |
| 13:48.17 | Wobin | no it's too easy |
| 13:48.55 | Wobin | night all |
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| 13:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | Goodnight, Wobin. Retire wisely. |
| 13:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear. |
| 13:52.16 | |Jelly| | Morning Peppy <3 |
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| 13:57.53 | |Jelly| | Sorry for the join spam. Installing adblockers cause well, I think the ads are annoying. :P |
| 13:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | Spam is spammy. *nod* |
| 13:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | Whether it's leave-join or popup ads! |
| 14:00.05 | |Jelly| | The difference is, I'm done! :P |
| 14:00.45 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. |
| 14:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | For now! |
| 14:00.50 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 14:02.19 | |Jelly| | So how's mah Peppy doing? |
| 14:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... now I see the "forum ads" everyone is ripshit over. *nod* |
| 14:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm snuggling in, waiting for the blizzard to start so I can go home. |
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| 14:07.01 | |Jelly| | awwww |
| 14:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 14:07.09 | Lunessa | station! |
| 14:11.18 | |Jelly| | Morning Lunessa |
| 14:11.48 | Lopeppeppy | It's funny to see the whole office coming in dressed for the bad weather later. |
| 14:12.39 | |Jelly| | RecipeRadar or Ackis Recipe List? |
| 14:13.42 | Lopeppeppy | Hrm. |
| 14:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | Hrm. I sort of like the interface from Ackis a bit better... but there's a lot of appeal to Radar. |
| 14:19.57 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 14:20.45 | Lunessa | Alt-Tab + WoWHead. :P |
| 14:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | Radar is pretty. Ackis is sleek. |
| 14:21.43 | Lunessa | Oh noes. We've been turned into candy-canes. |
| 14:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | I am a cookie! I'm sooooo pleased! |
| 14:21.56 | |Jelly| | H8H8H8H8H8H8H8H8 |
| 14:23.37 | Lopeppeppy | No! |
| 14:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | I am a cookie! You cannot hate m. |
| 14:24.16 | |Jelly| | Oh, I don't hate you; I hate when they turn our avatars into random crap throughout the year. :P |
| 14:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | I gave up caring what I looked like. |
| 14:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | .... time management software sucks. |
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| 14:51.25 | Lunessa | Oh blessed is the President's office - they're letting us go home at noon becsause the A/C is out. |
| 14:53.04 | zenzelezz | subject: "Christmas nightt". First line of body: "Girls willl drop underwear for you!" |
| 14:53.23 | zenzelezz | somehow I doubt they're wrong, but I'm not following the link |
| 14:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | Girls drop their underwear only when their hands are full and they are about to drop the latte instead. |
| 14:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 14:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | And Lunessa, that's wonderful to hear. |
| 14:55.33 | Lunessa | girls dropping underwear is USUALLY wonderfully to hear. |
| 14:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | It doesn't make much noise though. |
| 14:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | *confused* |
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| 14:56.42 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cide. |
| 14:56.51 | Cide | hey peppy |
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| 15:18.27 | Cide | http://xkcd.com/519/ |
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| 15:28.54 | Lunessa | Cide: PERL was created after I left High School. Like... more than a decade after. |
| 15:29.08 | Cide | same. |
| 15:29.13 | Cide | oh wait. |
| 15:29.33 | |Jelly| | Translation: Lunessa is old. |
| 15:29.43 | Cide | ooooh, that's what he meant! |
| 15:29.58 | Cide | thanks for filling me in |Jelly|. |
| 15:30.07 | Lunessa | I had this dream last night that I was teach programming basics to a bunch of n00bs. I was very happy to have the alarm wake me up. |
| 15:30.14 | |Jelly| | No problem |
| 15:30.23 | Cide | and you realized you were dreaming about this channel |
| 15:30.33 | Cide | and all of the Unregistered1953285 |
| 15:31.05 | Lunessa | Cide: Oh man, so insightful. |
| 15:32.09 | Cide | it's what I do. that and be gentle, heart-warming and friendly. it's just what I do. |
| 15:32.49 | |Jelly| | Peppy: Can you make Danish Butter Cookies? Cause if so ... BRT |
| 15:33.17 | Anaral | Danish Butter Cookies... *salivates* |
| 15:33.48 | Fisker- | yay i win |
| 15:34.30 | mikma | if texture doesn't have a name in frame, how can i modify it? :I |
| 15:34.59 | mikma | Blizzard_TimeManager.xml -> row 322 |
| 15:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, I do not know how, but with recipes I love to learn new things. |
| 15:36.41 | Lopeppeppy | I dreamed last night I was in a beauty pageant, like... that Sandra Bullock movie. |
| 15:37.50 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple. |
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| 15:46.12 | |Jelly| | MORNING SEERAH! |
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| 15:48.28 | mikma | man |
| 15:48.31 | mikma | i need a new addon |
| 15:49.15 | mikma | Foobar yells: I am summoning a steed from nightmare! -> SendChatMessage("gz!","WHISPER",nil,"Foobar") |
| 15:49.52 | Tifi | why can't i attach an animated gif to my project? |
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| 15:59.12 | zenzelezz | oh nice, hordes killing the wintersaber trainer |
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| 16:05.49 | Lunessa | bech...ads on the forums. BLECH |
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| 16:09.48 | Seerah | morning |Jelly|!! |
| 16:12.39 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I agree -- annoying! |
| 16:13.02 | Lunessa | They make me think it's time to find a new place to spend my forum time. |
| 16:13.40 | |Jelly| | I just got AdBlocker for Firefox with another plugin to remove the space that ads actually take up. |
| 16:13.51 | |Jelly| | 2 new addons to solve a problem. :-\ |
| 16:14.25 | foxlit | Meh, what problem. |
| 16:14.26 | Lunessa | I used AdBlock and NoScript... but the fuck up the formatting and they add to page-load time. |
| 16:14.52 | Lunessa | Just you wait, mr.-euro-forums. They will come for you too. They want your euros, damint. |
| 16:15.09 | foxlit | forums? |
| 16:15.15 | foxlit | There are forums for this game? Where?! |
| 16:16.08 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Adblock Plus: Element Huding Helper -- that will help with the formatting issues |
| 16:16.14 | |Jelly| | Can't help you with the load times. :( |
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| 16:23.24 | Lopeppeppy | There's a few threads to express displeasure in, go express it! Forum ads suck. |
| 16:24.37 | |Jelly| | I seriously doubt that they're going away despite what anyone says. |
| 16:25.36 | foxlit | # You enter a very dark room, and sitting there in the gloom, is DRACula; now, how do you say "goodbye"? |
| 16:27.00 | Lopeppeppy | Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye? |
| 16:31.14 | Cide | if it's very dark, how do you know it's DRACula? |
| 16:31.52 | Lunessa | Foxlit: Rapidly! Rapidly. Rapid- LY! |
| 16:32.36 | foxlit | Well, close enough. |
| 16:33.35 | alestane | I keep saying. Get some wolves. |
| 16:33.44 | Lunessa | Hey, cut me some slack, I haven't watched 'The Electric Company' in 2 decades. And I don't have that Tom Leher album. |
| 16:35.49 | alestane | Which album? |
| 16:40.03 | foxlit | So who was it that was having difficulting with forum ads? |
| 16:40.17 | foxlit | user stylesheet them away :) |
| 16:40.19 | alestane | There's a 60-page thread on General called, "Intelligent Discussion on the topic of Ads." |
| 16:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Is it as... advertised? |
| 16:41.14 | foxlit | div.advertise-vert {display: none} |
| 16:41.18 | alestane | The first post was very. I posted a short, constructive reply. |
| 16:42.42 | alestane | For the most part it seems to be constructive people. |
| 16:43.12 | alestane | Although a lot of them are coming down on the side of "What, you don't make enough money already?", they are mostly saying it politely. |
| 16:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | It doesn't seem to be about money, but about advertising...which again, why do they need? |
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| 16:44.15 | foxlit | more money :) |
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| 16:46.55 | alestane | They seem to be focused on WoW-related ventures, so they are presumably products and ventures that Blizzard has a stake in rather than just selling out to Google ad space or something of the sort. It may just as easily be a trial run to see how it's received. |
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| 16:47.30 | Gnarfoz | I like the bossquotes thread :> |
| 16:48.42 | alestane | And I will point out, once, that ads do actually serve to inform people about things that may be of interest to them. They don't generate any revenue otherwise. So, they are sometimes regarded as a service (this doesn't mean that I don't find them intrusive also). |
| 16:52.54 | cladhaire | the ads also give Blizzard a way to allow people to advertise in a way that they can approve of the content, and make it more "official" |
| 16:52.56 | cladhaire | which isn't a terrible thing |
| 16:53.25 | cladhaire | there are absolutely 0 herbs for sale on my server |
| 16:53.34 | cladhaire | how effed is that |
| 16:54.01 | alestane | Probably the most frequent objection is that the poster is a paying customer and should be entitled to an ad-free, silently supported forum environment. |
| 16:54.19 | foxlit | Here's a simpler objection: there are 5 ads. |
| 16:54.40 | alestane | i.e., they get repetitive and boring? |
| 16:55.00 | foxlit | After the first time, they become a design black hole that actively detracts from the rest of the (cough) content. |
| 16:55.26 | Fisker- | They could easily have put the ad between the login box and forum navigation box |
| 16:55.27 | Fisker- | so fu |
| 16:55.30 | alestane | On the other hand, I'd rather have repetitive ads than unrelated ones, which would feel like Blizzard was just trying to sell their traffic. |
| 16:56.36 | foxlit | And I'd rather not have the negative effects at all. |
| 16:57.28 | Lopeppeppy | I just don't want to see this become why people stop using the forums, you know? *sigh* |
| 16:57.31 | alestane | And as you point out, ad-blocking is always an option, already pursued actively by a noticable portion of the WWW-viewing population. |
| 16:58.00 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Or the fellow who sarted a thread that he was canceling his WoW accounts because Blizzard sold out the forums? |
| 16:58.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that sort of person can just go pout in a corner, IMO. Drama lizards need not apply. |
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| 16:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | How the forums look has nothing to do with whether I'll play a game or not, and anyone who packs up their ball and goes home at the slightest provocation needs to be kicked hard in the ass on their way out. |
| 16:59.17 | alestane | The preeminent opinion seems to be that Blizzard is demonstrating a lack of respect for their subscribers by grabbing for the additional revenue. I think that if that was their main goal they would have more than five ads. |
| 16:59.37 | Corr-work | is there any indication that battle.net will no longer be free? |
| 16:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | Someone has proved they get revenue from the ads? |
| 17:00.35 | alestane | Not that I can tell. The ads aren't served by them, which is probably the reason most people believe so. But all the ads are for things related to WoW AFAIK. |
| 17:01.02 | alestane | But I also wouldn't be surprised if the layout either changes or is reverted some time in the next week...their businesspeople are usually canny enough to test things and change as needed. |
| 17:01.16 | Corr-work | come to think of it, didn't battle.net via d2 -already- have ads in it? |
| 17:01.26 | Corr-work | only, blizzard ads? |
| 17:02.08 | Corr-work | sorry, i think i'm seeing i had a misunderstanding. i thought you were talking about that, when now i think you mean the forums |
| 17:02.08 | Tem | Bibi, ping? |
| 17:02.43 | Lopeppeppy | We're just talking the Bliz forums, where the ads are all Bliz ads... but very unwelcome. |
| 17:03.38 | Bibi | PONNNNNNNNNNNNNNG! |
| 17:03.46 | Bibi | hurray! attention!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 17:04.15 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: AdBlockPlus ftw? |
| 17:04.23 | Bibi | AdBlock kills the internet |
| 17:04.24 | alestane | I've also seen people coming out in favor of anything that keeps their subscription costs down, people who don't mind them on the forum but won't accept them in the game...but the sheer flood of disgruntlement gets toxic in a hurry, I only skimmed. |
| 17:04.38 | Corr-work | huh. well, i internally tune out banner ads these days, and the more obtrusive stuff like flash things are already blocked by my addons for being wastes of resources and annoyances. |
| 17:04.38 | Hirsute | Bibi: How does Adblock kill the internet? |
| 17:04.50 | pastamancer | alestane: I think you've nailed it. It's the lack of respect. |
| 17:04.53 | foxlit | silently! |
| 17:06.10 | Bibi | websites no longer make money, people no longer make website |
| 17:06.13 | Bibi | INTERNET DIES |
| 17:06.16 | Corr-work | context-sensitives ads are pretty weird |
| 17:06.43 | Hirsute | Bibi: Or, people turn to ads that aren't horribly implemented for making money. |
| 17:06.47 | alestane | pastamancer: When I think about it, the actual fact of including them, based on their choice of ad, isn't that disrespectful. I wouldn't have known Video Games Live was coming to Boston if not for a Facebook ad, and I was glad of that information. Ads can be informative as well as intrusive. But many people feel that any ad whatsoever is crass and commercial. |
| 17:06.52 | Corr-work | they have them on tvtropes.org, and when i was reading a few pages about homosexual themes, the ads kept accosting me to take quizzes about whether i am gay. which is something i think i would know already. |
| 17:07.12 | foxlit | Bibi: commercial internet dies. |
| 17:07.17 | foxlit | And, frankly, good riddance :) |
| 17:07.23 | Bibi | yeah, who cares about money. |
| 17:07.26 | mikma | corr-work: yes? |
| 17:07.26 | Corr-work | commercial internet, um, is the only internet >_> |
| 17:07.27 | Hirsute | I have no problems with ads in general, and whitelist every website that implements ads in a reasonable way. |
| 17:07.36 | Bibi | let's run naked in the forest |
| 17:07.40 | Lunessa | Internet est murete |
| 17:07.51 | pastamancer | alestane: I feel that my $15/mo includes the forums, not just wow |
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| 17:08.11 | Hirsute | But when I visit a site that regularly has flash ads that make noise or flash bright lights, that AdBlock keeps me sane. |
| 17:08.13 | Corr-work | i don't think you should advocate blocking advertisements in here, because wowi has a history of people directly linking to files and stuff to get around the pages and their ads, and it's a touchy subject |
| 17:08.14 | alestane | pastamancer: And oyu are not alone. |
| 17:08.15 | foxlit | Research and .mil will stay around :) |
| 17:08.47 | alestane | Many people in that post feel that ads should be restricted to anonymous viewers, but that people signed in should not have to see them. |
| 17:09.04 | pastamancer | which would be great if you could stay logged in for more than 2 minutes |
| 17:09.23 | Bibi | research? without private funding? |
| 17:09.28 | Bibi | sure. |
| 17:09.39 | foxlit | Easily. |
| 17:09.40 | pastamancer | that's not an unreasonable expectation based on how many other paid-accoun forums work |
| 17:10.24 | Bibi | you know what happens when you remove private funding from research? |
| 17:10.27 | Bibi | France. ^^ |
| 17:10.39 | Lunessa | And to be clear, advertising models are not the only way to monetize the internet. Just the most successful to date. |
| 17:10.43 | Corr-work | gah! |
| 17:10.56 | Bibi | yeah, MMO-Champion T-Shirts work too. |
| 17:11.17 | foxlit | Total Sold to Date: 2? |
| 17:11.25 | Bibi | 3, Mom bought one too |
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| 17:16.02 | alestane | What I really wish is that Internet Explorer would not move itself to the front when it finishes loading the page I clicked to. Click link, bring other window forward, immediately get it blotted out by page loading. |
| 17:16.07 | foxlit | meh, people tanking non-resistance fights in the +Frost resist gear. |
| 17:17.22 | Lunessa | What I wish is that IE would stop sucking as a browser. |
| 17:17.27 | Corr-work | so they're still doing the "this fight requires you build an entirely new set of gear" bosses, eh |
| 17:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, as if. |
| 17:18.05 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: There's a reason I use FF3, Chrome or Safari on both Mac OSX and Windows. |
| 17:18.34 | alestane | I'm mostly using it right now because it was already installed and I'd rather get some work done than spend however long installing Firefox. This is a laptop, not my main computer. But it's frustrating and obstructive., |
| 17:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | I only use IE to double-check my websites. |
| 17:19.05 | nevcairiel | I hope you installed the critical hotfix from last week if using IE |
| 17:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | I did. |
| 17:19.29 | Lopeppeppy | Even on my home laptop, although I don't use IE on it. |
| 17:19.44 | alestane | I had some Windows updates last night, didn't check if that was included. |
| 17:20.09 | nevcairiel | probably was |
| 17:20.34 | Lopeppeppy | Windows updates on Tuesdays, so if you got an out of cycle, it was the IE |
| 17:20.58 | Lunessa | Yesterday was thew big security patch. |
| 17:21.18 | Lunessa | I know, I'm packaging it up for the entire campus right now. |
| 17:21.57 | nevcairiel | I wonder if they installed it at my university, they are usually pretty slow with any updates because they have to manually do it on every comp |
| 17:22.33 | nevcairiel | You know, for a university focused on CS, they really lack some better infrastructure. Damn people trying to save money on some people instlaling and maintaining it |
| 17:27.55 | zenzelezz | "Crotchbiter", female gnome warrior o_O |
| 17:28.22 | Corr-work | mmmm |
| 17:28.56 | nevcairiel | gnomes reach that high? |
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| 17:29.12 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: They're a windows-based it structure and they don't use SMS? |
| 17:29.40 | nevcairiel | They run both, windows and linux |
| 17:29.45 | nevcairiel | i think the servers are linux |
| 17:29.57 | Corr-work | my tauren always wanted a few gnome retainers, but he never found anyone who was interested |
| 17:30.14 | Corr-work | he could just carry them around |
| 17:31.51 | Lunessa | Corr-work: Get a Traveler's Tundra Mammoth and you'll get a gnome of your very own. |
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| 17:32.27 | Corr-work | chuckle |
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| 17:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, school closing at 1pm. Now I need the announcement so I can post it so I can go home. |
| 17:44.10 | Corr-work | sounds fun |
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| 17:53.16 | Lunessa | Since I can go home in 10 mins, I think I might celebrate with lunch that has ... holiday cheer in it. |
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| 17:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: mmm.. holiday 'cheer' |
| 17:57.08 | Lunessa | Yes, I'm thinking... 80 proof or better. |
| 17:58.01 | Tem|work | lol! "It looks like you have adblock or another similar ad-blocking software installed. Well, consider yourself firmly off the mibbit christmas card list" |
| 17:58.30 | NightHawkTheSane | omg! not the mibbit christmas card list! *GASP* |
| 17:58.33 | Lunessa | Hahaha. hulu.com gripes about AdBlock too. |
| 17:58.47 | Lunessa | And on that note. I'm out. |
| 17:58.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, I take personal pride in that, actually |
| 17:59.03 | Tem|work | I take pride in it for sides that piss me off |
| 17:59.06 | Tem|work | like hulu |
| 17:59.10 | Tem|work | but mibbit is a useful resource |
| 17:59.15 | Tem|work | so I wonder.... |
| 17:59.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i meant hulu tem |
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| 18:27.14 | zenzelezz | wow, I take back what I said about the coolest Gold Coin... it's definitely Kel'Thuzad's |
| 18:28.10 | Tem|work | oh balls |
| 18:28.21 | Tem|work | 3.0.8 PTR now has craftable 2h tank weapons |
| 18:28.32 | Gnarfoz | which are worse than naxx drops :> |
| 18:28.41 | zenzelezz | skill level what Tem, 430/440/450? |
| 18:28.51 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: mmo-champion~ |
| 18:28.51 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 18:29.07 | zenzelezz | don't like the layout on that site, I'll wait till it's on worldofraids |
| 18:29.13 | Tem|work | doesn't say, zenzelezz |
| 18:29.14 | Gnarfoz | rofl |
| 18:29.15 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 18:29.26 | Gnarfoz | you're absolutely right though, all WoR does is copying |
| 18:29.29 | Tem|work | what bothers me is that they're basically identical |
| 18:29.37 | Gnarfoz | and relying on JS for the page to work,too |
| 18:29.39 | Tem|work | except one of them has parry rating where the other has def rating |
| 18:29.45 | NightHawkTheSane | given that its titansteel 450 is probably a good guess |
| 18:30.09 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: all the existing Titansteel is 440 |
| 18:30.17 | Tem|work | but point-for-point defense gives you higher TTL than parry rating (at any gear level. Yes after 540 defense too) |
| 18:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: er, thats what i meant, sorry. >< |
| 18:30.25 | Tem|work | (and not just a little more. WAY more) |
| 18:30.43 | Tem|work | but the def rating is on the Axe |
| 18:30.49 | zenzelezz | parries can slightly improve your threat, so they like to say |
| 18:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: it'd be nice if there were identical sword/axe/mace variations... |
| 18:31.04 | Tem|work | threat is a non-issue |
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| 18:31.14 | Tem|work | also |
| 18:31.16 | zenzelezz | Tem|work: yep, true |
| 18:31.29 | Tem|work | the models are the fuckign sword/axe from the Battle of Light's Hope |
| 18:31.36 | Tem|work | I used that fucking Axe for 10 levels |
| 18:31.36 | nevcairiel | parry also DRs .. which kinda sucks |
| 18:31.37 | Tem|work | NEXT PLEASE |
| 18:31.55 | zenzelezz | Battle of Light's Hope? Is that some DK quest? |
| 18:32.04 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: in PvE? |
| 18:32.08 | Tem|work | no one but DKs will use these anyway |
| 18:32.13 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: yes |
| 18:32.19 | Tem|work | zenzelezz: all avoidance has DR |
| 18:32.22 | jaxdahl | threat isn't a non-issue |
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| 18:33.05 | jaxdahl | i have trouble on malygos when the raid is on back to back 2-stacks or a 3-stack |
| 18:33.15 | jaxdahl | with heroism |
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| 18:33.40 | Shirik | try harder then :P |
| 18:33.50 | jaxdahl | i try! |
| 18:33.52 | zenzelezz | that's a case where you're allowed to have threat issues |
| 18:34.23 | jaxdahl | i'm still stuck with a ilvl 200 weapon while a couple of the DPSers have ilvl 226 |
| 18:34.54 | cbreak | 226? where from? |
| 18:35.11 | nevcairiel | 226 drops from kelthuzad heroic |
| 18:35.15 | nevcairiel | or malygos heroic |
| 18:35.55 | cbreak | interesting. |
| 18:36.00 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 18:36.00 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 12081 minutes |
| 18:36.04 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 18:36.09 | nevcairiel | ~lart Shiibot |
| 18:36.09 | purl | hits Shiibot with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 18:36.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 18:36.28 | Shirik | now to go find out wtf that was |
| 18:36.36 | Tem|work | probably the numbers |
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| 18:36.39 | Tem|work | it confused it |
| 18:36.53 | Tem|work | anyway, I've been saving titansteel for my titansteel destroyer |
| 18:37.13 | jaxdahl | you have your blacksmithing maxed out? |
| 18:37.15 | Tem|work | and I'm sad that I'm probably going to have to use this new titansteel defender isntead |
| 18:37.23 | Tem|work | my BS is 1/75 |
| 18:37.30 | jaxdahl | well, better get working on it then |
| 18:37.35 | jaxdahl | if they don't change it to BOE |
| 18:37.45 | nevcairiel | i hope the BoP on the defender is a mistake, well i'm almost positive it is |
| 18:37.55 | Tem|work | but I don't want to use them, though :( |
| 18:38.01 | Tem|work | they're ugly |
| 18:38.10 | Tem|work | well |
| 18:38.11 | Tem|work | not ugly |
| 18:38.13 | jaxdahl | they're very good weapons for a new tank DK |
| 18:38.14 | Tem|work | just tired graphics |
| 18:38.29 | Tem|work | too good |
| 18:38.37 | jaxdahl | i dislike them having no hit or expertise |
| 18:38.39 | Tem|work | I was content to use dps 2handers |
| 18:38.40 | Shirik | Looks like my netsplit timer is too short :/ |
| 18:38.56 | Tem|work | also, my human racial won't work on that axe |
| 18:39.03 | Tem|work | *whine* |
| 18:39.37 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39245 this is what i use for tanking. worst epic 2hander for tanking :( |
| 18:39.59 | zenzelezz | I'm glad my racial works on most weapons I get, but I still think it's annoying that (it feels like) 90% of all tank weapons are swords |
| 18:40.16 | zenzelezz | (one-handers) |
| 18:41.05 | jaxdahl | http://tinyurl.com/4yj7n9 |
| 18:41.43 | Tem|work | needs more http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40406 imo |
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| 18:41.53 | Amarande | well, the quest for achievements just saved someone's day. :) |
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| 18:42.44 | Amarande | someone apparently got stuck in snowman form somehow and couldn't get out |
| 18:43.11 | Shirik | !reload |
| 18:43.12 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 18:43.38 | Shirik | found the problem. A few people joined DURING the netsplit that he didn't know about, so he thought that was an attack :( |
| 18:43.53 | Amarande | Ever have anyone somehow unable to get out of snowman by right-clicking? |
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| 18:45.22 | Corr-work | a few people join a channel and the bot freaks? |
| 18:45.37 | Amarande | Corr: bots are like that |
| 18:45.41 | Amarande | they assume it's a floodbot attack |
| 18:45.47 | Corr-work | i remember a bot that hated me |
| 18:46.04 | Tem|work | here's my problem with these new 2hander tanking things |
| 18:46.12 | Corr-work | an extra period in one of its files made it go a bit loopy on me once, and it never quite forgave me after that |
| 18:46.12 | Tem|work | I see no way to upgrade them |
| 18:47.17 | Amarande | BTW, is it just me, or is khorium a LOT more common since wotlk hit? |
| 18:47.31 | nevcairiel | noone farms it, of course it is |
| 18:47.40 | nevcairiel | its also worthless |
| 18:48.04 | Tem|work | jaxdahl: what do you think about those two new weapons? |
| 18:48.17 | Tem|work | would you downgrade your threat for the added defensive stats? |
| 18:48.25 | Tem|work | it's hard to argue with 90 def rating |
| 18:48.38 | nevcairiel | imho they are nice for entry-level tanks that need the rating for crit immunity |
| 18:48.42 | nevcairiel | otherwise, screw it |
| 18:49.06 | Tem|work | defense rating is the most valuable tanking stat |
| 18:49.09 | Tem|work | even beyond 540 |
| 18:49.24 | Tem|work | it is this way because of the avoidance DR |
| 18:49.31 | zenzelezz | I think it's even more so now, since dodge/parry don't feel as abundant as they did in (late) BC |
| 18:49.40 | Tem|work | defense spreads the avoidance it gives through 3 stats |
| 18:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | it also gives you wiggle room in other pieces |
| 18:49.44 | Tem|work | which all DR seperately |
| 18:49.52 | |pez| | Do bandages sell well on the AH? :P |
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| 18:50.02 | nevcairiel | not at all, i guess |
| 18:50.04 | zenzelezz | |pez|: doubt it |
| 18:50.11 | Tem|work | and with IBF scaling from def now... |
| 18:50.13 | Lopeppeppy | There. Home, safe, happy, comfy. |
| 18:50.27 | Tem|work | |pez|: cloth sells amazingly well |
| 18:50.35 | Tem|work | but bandages... probably not imo |
| 18:50.35 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: let me know if you need company! |
| 18:50.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah zenzelezz, start flying. :P |
| 18:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | Not like the airport isn't closed too though. |
| 18:51.03 | Amarande | Heya Lopeppeppy :) |
| 18:51.05 | Tem|work | in terms of increasing your survivability, there's no way to compete with Titansteel Defender |
| 18:51.09 | |pez| | Tem|work: I've been training my first aid skill, and I don't need the lesser bandages really. |
| 18:51.18 | Tem|work | vendor |
| 18:51.20 | nevcairiel | vendor ya |
| 18:51.21 | Amarande | WTB netherwing drake I can ride IRL :D |
| 18:51.32 | Tem|work | Amarande: be careful |
| 18:51.37 | Tem|work | half the midwest is a no-fly zone |
| 18:51.42 | Tem|work | you'll get dismounted and go splat |
| 18:51.56 | Tem|work | speaking of which |
| 18:52.14 | Tem|work | FUCK YOU LAKE WINTERGRASP AND YOUR GODDAMN NOFLY BULLSHIT |
| 18:52.33 | Tem|work | it's like you exist solely to piss me off when I want to go to Sholazar basin |
| 18:53.08 | ZorbaTHut | is the titansteel defender new in 3.0.8 or something? |
| 18:53.19 | Tem|work | oh you want to get to the zone on the other side of me? TOOBAD go around |
| 18:53.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: getting to sholazar isn't that bad, as you can cut above through icecrown fairly easily. but for Dalaran->BT, you may as well just hop a bird and go get a beer |
| 18:53.30 | Tem|work | yeah, ZorbaTHut |
| 18:53.30 | Tem|work | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/titansteeldefender.jpg |
| 18:54.12 | Tem|work | there's also http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/titansteeldeflector.jpg |
| 18:54.50 | Amarande | Night: you know what the worst thing is? |
| 18:55.07 | Amarande | Going for Rumsey's when your hearth is in Northrend and the fishing daily comes up Crocolisks in the City |
| 18:56.25 | Amarande | You get to go to Vengeance Landing (since I'm in HF right now), take the zepp to UC, waste several minutes getting down to Stonard (since neither waiting for the Grom'gol zepp and then flying from there, nor flying UC->Stonard is exactly fast), go through the Dark Portal to Hellfire, fly to Shattrath, get the fishing daily |
| 18:56.54 | NightHawkTheSane | l2dalaran |
| 18:56.55 | Amarande | find out it's Crocolisks in the City, go back to Shattrath, take the portal to Orgrimmar, fish ONCE (since it always seems to come up on the first fish), take zepps and windriders BACK to Stonard, go through the Dark Portal AGAIN ... |
| 18:57.33 | |pez| | Oh, snap, I can actually make frostweave bandages at 350 :o |
| 18:57.45 | Amarande | pez: that may also be why khorium is so common now, too |
| 18:57.50 | Amarande | not only are people not farming it |
| 18:58.03 | Amarande | but since they did it so you can go straight to northrend stuff at 350 this time on just about everything ... |
| 18:58.14 | Amarande | most people on their brief trip through outland probably don't even HAVE 375 mining yet |
| 18:58.14 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean, exactly what nevcairiel said 10 minutes ago? |
| 18:58.36 | Amarande | outland has become deserted, lol |
| 18:58.46 | Amarande | I get more lag in Orgrimmar than Shattrath now |
| 18:58.49 | NightHawkTheSane | this is not news. |
| 18:58.54 | Amarande | and last night I was the ONLY person in Netherstorm |
| 18:59.14 | Amarande | Night: do you know if the dalaran tokens are now merely an -additional- source for delicious chocolate cake, or if now they made that the -only- way to get it? |
| 18:59.24 | Amarande | I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time doing the Shattrath cooking daily at all now |
| 18:59.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you CAN get it from the shatt cooking daily, but if you do, blizzard thugs come and break all your toes |
| 18:59.46 | Amarande | (of course, since I have to go to the area to get the Outland fishing daily for Rumsey's, anyway, I may as well do the cooking one too ...) |
| 19:02.24 | p3lim | Whats the best resto idol atm? |
| 19:02.30 | p3lim | Is it Idol of Lush Moss? |
| 19:02.49 | |pez| | Wonder if I'm able to just... make a blog with a WoW character as the blogger. >__> |
| 19:03.33 | |pez| | Take lots of screenshots troughout my adventures. |
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| 19:05.35 | jaxdahl | Amarande, why isn't your hearth set to dalaran? |
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| 19:11.27 | Amarande | jaxdahl: I haven't been to dalaran yet |
| 19:12.04 | Corr-work | i had a dream that i was playing again, and the hearthstone cooldown had been changed to 20 seconds |
| 19:16.01 | cbreak | mage power! |
| 19:16.31 | mikma | mace power |
| 19:16.35 | mikma | point and spray. win. |
| 19:19.08 | tlund | did someone make a new version of BuffSort that works with 3.0? I couldnt find one, and started writing my own, but i got kinds stuck :) |
| 19:19.13 | Shirik | Anyone on Linux mind running "java -version" for me? |
| 19:19.24 | tlund | tlund@eight:~$ java --version |
| 19:19.24 | tlund | java version "1.5.0" |
| 19:19.24 | tlund | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2 |
| 19:19.28 | Shirik | ugh |
| 19:19.30 | tlund | plus a copyright notice |
| 19:19.38 | Shirik | Is 1.6 not the standard yet? |
| 19:19.44 | tlund | uuh |
| 19:19.47 | tlund | "standard"? :) |
| 19:19.51 | Amarande | Shirik: depends on distribution |
| 19:19.53 | Shirik | like "everyone should have it" |
| 19:19.54 | tlund | there is a 1.6 package for my distribution yes |
| 19:20.01 | tlund | but i need 1.5 for various reasons. |
| 19:20.01 | Shirik | "or be able to get it" |
| 19:20.20 | Shirik | I just realized I'm using 1.6 features so I'd be restricting myself to a 1.6 audience :/ |
| 19:20.21 | tlund | Shirik: make your app work with ANY version, to make it platform/version independant? |
| 19:20.27 | tlund | oh |
| 19:20.28 | Amarande | since I know, for instance, Debian stable in particular tends to be notoriously laggard compared to other distros |
| 19:20.28 | tlund | ok. :) |
| 19:20.29 | Shirik | I wish I could, but there are tools I need in 1.6 |
| 19:20.50 | Corr-work | people can have multiple versions of the VM installed on windows, but i don't know about linux |
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| 19:20.59 | Shirik | I mean I don't "NEED" but it would save me weeks of work |
| 19:21.01 | NightHawkTheSane | is 1.6 even out for osx yet? |
| 19:21.11 | Shirik | I'm not reimplementing an entire XML formatter |
| 19:22.42 | tlund | soo.. maby someone has a suggestion for me. I want to re-implement "BuffSort". The idea is that I get a list of all buffs and their expire-time. Then i sort them after expiretime and save a lookup-table. if the UI asks for buff #3, look in the sorted table, and really give him buff #6 instead. |
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| 19:23.15 | tlund | i dont really know how to make a table with the id/expire pairs, and then sort it based on expire, and be able to lookup id:s in it |
| 19:23.51 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Not released it seems |
| 19:23.56 | Shirik | http://weblogs.java.net/blog/joconner/archive/2006/11/java_se_6_on_ma.html |
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| 19:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | so, i would say "no, not the standard" |
| 19:25.12 | Shirik | however it appears you can download a pre-release version of java 6 for mac. But yeah, that's a big problem then if Mac doesn't have Java 6 |
| 19:25.40 | Shirik | let's see what happens when I compile for Java 5 |
| 19:26.44 | Shirik | I don't even have JDK 1.5 installed, ha |
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| 19:27.13 | Shirik | Oh well, I'll worry about this when the time comes. Supposedly Apple is "very close" to releasing Java 6, so hopefully they'll finish before I do |
| 19:27.50 | KarlKFI | bet on it being tied to Snow Leapord |
| 19:28.27 | nevcairiel | mac never had java6 until now? |
| 19:28.39 | KarlKFI | just the beta versions |
| 19:29.02 | KarlKFI | you can install it if you REALLY want to, but there's no officially supported version yet |
| 19:29.49 | nevcairiel | failmac |
| 19:30.20 | KarlKFI | apple's always been really slow at implementing java |
| 19:30.49 | nevcairiel | i suppose sun doesnt release its own mac version |
| 19:30.54 | KarlKFI | Sun does the windows and unix versions and then just hands off the project to apple |
| 19:31.21 | Shirik | There also appears to be an OpenJDK port for OSX v6 |
| 19:32.11 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 19:32.22 | Amarande | I don't suppose I'm lucky enough that I can buy Rumsey's Lager recipe with dalaran tokens |
| 19:41.09 | Shirik | http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t102924.html |
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| 19:58.11 | amro | does anyone here have experience with using 2 PSUs at once? |
| 19:59.05 | Corr-work | wow... nope, not me |
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| 19:59.51 | amro | or with enough electrical know-how to know how to rig them to power on at once? |
| 19:59.52 | Corr-work | i'm not sure how that would work. the motherboard tells it when to supply power to other devices and stuff. |
| 20:00.10 | amro | nope, afaik motherboard just tells it to power on/off |
| 20:00.31 | Corr-work | well, that's what i meant |
| 20:00.34 | amro | you can connect the power on pin with a ground pin to turn it on without a MB |
| 20:01.08 | amro | the problem is that it's probably not a good idea to turn them on asynchronously, so I'm wondering if tying the power on wires for the PSUs would work |
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| 20:07.17 | Shirik | amro: It's easy |
| 20:07.21 | Shirik | sorry, I was afk :) |
| 20:07.34 | Shirik | Don't tie them together, though. |
| 20:07.39 | Shirik | Can you read a circuit diagram if I gave it to you? |
| 20:07.46 | amro | yeah |
| 20:08.47 | Shirik | ATX PSU right? |
| 20:08.57 | amro | yes |
| 20:09.35 | Corr-work | turn one on two seconds after the other. yeah! |
| 20:09.57 | Shirik | I forget which pin it is, but it's the green wire is PS_ON |
| 20:09.59 | Shirik | fyi |
| 20:10.09 | amro | yeah I have that much figured out |
| 20:13.16 | Shirik | I assume you don't have any transistors, so I'll do this the cheap way. It's not the best but it'll work |
| 20:14.37 | amro | I couldn't find much other than pliers and wires :(. Cheap way will work, at least until I find a decent electronics shop |
| 20:15.01 | Gnarfoz | I can only say: don't do it. |
| 20:15.08 | Thunder_Child | even i have the tools for it |
| 20:15.19 | Gnarfoz | i.e. use two PSUs not intended for that configuration together do power devices in the same computer |
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| 20:16.44 | Esamynn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#251 ROFLMAO |
| 20:16.44 | amro | Gnarfoz: why not? |
| 20:16.44 | Shirik | This will get them both enabled together: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4862048077b95b9ba7b207036d70bfd4.jpg |
| 20:17.58 | amro | Shirik: the mobo wouldn't mind the PSU powering on externally? |
| 20:17.59 | Corr-work | gasp, hostname not found |
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| 20:18.13 | alestane | I hate it when someone posts with a request, someone else posts that it's impossible, the first person says "that sucks, oh well," and THEN I read the thread and know that in fact in can be done. |
| 20:18.15 | Shirik | Nope, I've done it before to get a full-size CD drive to work on a laptop :) |
| 20:19.12 | amro | Shirik: alright, thanks! |
| 20:20.35 | Shirik | amro: This is the BEST way to do it: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/981ddd57bd79675aacec256426768e6e.jpg |
| 20:21.06 | Shirik | but the other one will work as well. Keep in mind, though, that this doesn't handle load splitting between the PSUs |
| 20:21.50 | Shirik | And if one happens to cut out, depending on which one you have connected to the motherboard, the system may remain on with some devices unpowered (there isn't anything necessarily BAD about this, aside from loss of functionality) |
| 20:22.02 | amro | I was going to ask about that |
| 20:22.10 | Shirik | (For robustness you should also tie the PS_OK lines together, but that requires some transistor work) |
| 20:22.16 | Shirik | PW_OK, whatever it's called |
| 20:23.30 | amro | however I think a cut out would be trouble. I intend to use the 2nd PSU for a PCIe, which would also be getting power from the 1st one via the mb |
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| 20:24.50 | Shirik | sec |
| 20:24.55 | Shirik | need to finish making this mac & cheese |
| 20:25.52 | Amarande | mac & cheese, that requires Fine Aged Cheddar, and what other mats? |
| 20:26.13 | Lopeppeppy | Cold Milk. |
| 20:27.03 | alestane | Simple Flour? |
| 20:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe. |
| 20:27.47 | Amarande | gah. still no Rumsey's. |
| 20:28.00 | Amarande | on the good side, I got the fish finding book in my first Outland fishing daily bag |
| 20:29.32 | Tem|work | http://google.com/trends?q=kekse%2C+abnehmen |
| 20:29.37 | Amarande | and now it's time to spend an entire evening or so probably fishing in outland! |
| 20:30.01 | Tem|work | Google Trends: kekse (cookies), abnehmen (weight loss) |
| 20:30.14 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:30.34 | amro | rofl that is epic |
| 20:31.18 | alestane | Amarande: If you mean RL, you can make perfectly acceptable Mac & Cheese with six cups of water, a 1-lb box of elbows, a block of grated cheddar, a quarter-cup of milk, two tablespoons of butter, and a healthy shake of paprika. |
| 20:32.19 | Shirik | Yeah amro I can't think of a good way to tie the two PWR_OK lines together without doing work I wouldn't recommend |
| 20:32.41 | Shirik | I would do it, but I'd never recommend someone else to do it :) |
| 20:32.52 | Fisker- | does that mean you're done making your mac & cheese? |
| 20:32.56 | Corr-work | elbows >:o |
| 20:33.03 | Shirik | yes? |
| 20:33.09 | Corr-work | cow elbows! |
| 20:33.19 | End | the english version is even more extreme :o |
| 20:33.35 | Fisker- | ok |
| 20:34.11 | alestane | What does this graph indicate? |
| 20:34.16 | End | searches |
| 20:34.26 | alestane | For words? |
| 20:34.43 | Corr-work | or phrases |
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| 20:35.30 | Corr-work | i still have a picture of a google trends graph that shows a ridiculously gigantic spike in searches for various types of porn a number of years ago |
| 20:35.30 | alestane | Okay, I understand it a bit better. |
| 20:35.44 | alestane | What else correlated with that event? |
| 20:35.50 | Corr-work | nothing as far as i could tell |
| 20:35.55 | Tem|work | you've never seen google trends before? |
| 20:35.55 | WhiteWolf | you don't need anything special for PWR_OK |
| 20:36.18 | Corr-work | i can only assume either it was a database error, a processing error, or china unblocked searches for porn. |
| 20:36.52 | alestane | Tem|work: I used to work for Google books for a few months, but that's not the sort of thing I'm usually that curious about. |
| 20:36.56 | WhiteWolf | PWR_OK is simply a digital value using negative logic, so you just need to bring it down to ground for it to be marked as "ok" |
| 20:37.05 | amro | Shirik: now that I think of it, it would be a bad idea to run without PWR_OK. unless there's no problem with only one screwing up |
| 20:37.09 | Gnarfoz | amro: your idea is the exact fringe case where it's really a bad idea |
| 20:37.25 | Gnarfoz | amro: because you're powering the same device from different sources |
| 20:37.37 | amro | WhiteWolf: I don't want to force PWR_OK though, I need it to come from the PSUs |
| 20:37.57 | Corr-work | the spike no longer appears on the graphs from what i can tell, so it must have been an error |
| 20:38.13 | Gnarfoz | if you, say, powered all your optical drives & harddisks from one, and all the rest from another psu, that would probably never give you trouble |
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| 20:38.18 | amro | Gnarfoz: not exactly the same device. only the PCIe will be coming from the second PSU, and afaik vcards power down without the supplemental connectors |
| 20:38.20 | Corr-work | ireland has twice as many searches for "tranny porn" as the next highest country, mind you |
| 20:38.28 | End | hm, there's a holiday spike for each of the consoles :P |
| 20:38.35 | Corr-work | just thought you'd like to know |
| 20:38.57 | Gnarfoz | amro: hum? the graphics card is just one device, not two ;) |
| 20:38.59 | WhiteWolf | amro: you don't need to force it, just consider the fact that all it's doing is bringing an active high down to low, so you can simply run it to the same pin on the motherboard as the other connector, which can be done a multitude of ways |
| 20:39.01 | amro | http://google.com/trends?q=shoe check news reference |
| 20:39.57 | WhiteWolf | amro: i do suggest using a probe to figure out which ground pin it's using to bring it down, and supplying a ground from the second psu as well |
| 20:39.58 | Amarande | End: there aren't even actually much in the way of good games coming out for consoles this season though are there? |
| 20:40.00 | amro | Gnarfoz: yes. I'm trying to find out (the easy way) if losing the extra power from the connectors wouldn't fry the card |
| 20:40.00 | Corr-work | "Nike designs shoe for American Indians" -- damn shoeless heathens |
| 20:40.03 | Amarande | there's Persona 4, and well ... Persona 4 |
| 20:40.08 | End | not that I know of |
| 20:40.17 | End | but, it shows up every season, including this one |
| 20:40.28 | WhiteWolf | amro: the video card will just cease up, it shouldn't be damaged |
| 20:40.30 | Amarande | Fallout 3, I guess |
| 20:40.34 | Gnarfoz | amro: my point is: there is no guarantee that it would even work stable ;) |
| 20:40.52 | WhiteWolf | amro: they all have those debug messages that appear if you don't connect the power connector, i imagine that causes it no damage either |
| 20:40.56 | Gnarfoz | because of the small differences in the current two different PSUs will generate |
| 20:41.01 | amro | Gnarfoz: good point, but that's a risk I'm willing to take :) |
| 20:41.15 | Corr-work | check out the shoe graph for the last 30 days. nice spike there. |
| 20:41.17 | Amarande | actually, FO3 came out in October |
| 20:41.26 | Gnarfoz | CPUs are really finnicky, thus they have their own power convertors, etc. dunno if GPUs are that bad in that regard, too |
| 20:41.41 | Gnarfoz | do report on your progress, though ^^ |
| 20:41.44 | Lopeppeppy | Shoes!! |
| 20:41.45 | amro | WhiteWolf: there's a difference however- this one doesn't power on at all if there are no extra connectors plugged, and power on with warning if there's only 1 plugged in. |
| 20:41.47 | WhiteWolf | the problem with two psus is actually the voltage difference, you may get some current flowing from the pcie to the other psu if they're not balanced |
| 20:42.10 | amro | Gnarfoz: well if I come in here crying, you can guess what happened :P |
| 20:42.13 | Amarande | looks like the only really new things this holiday season are P4 and the Final Fantasy fighting game on PSP |
| 20:42.22 | Gnarfoz | WhiteWolf: yeah, I suck at explaining the technical part :O |
| 20:42.44 | Corr-work | so what are these "persona" games like? |
| 20:42.51 | WhiteWolf | amro: if no connectors causes it not to boot, that's a good sign -- if there's no smoke already |
| 20:43.04 | Corr-work | i was unable to make sense of what i read about persona 3. i literally could not process the words into a description of a game. |
| 20:43.22 | Amarande | Corr: dungeon crawlers, basically |
| 20:43.31 | amro | in any case I will first try connecting both MB and card on one PSU, and the drives on another and see if that provides enough power |
| 20:43.40 | Corr-work | diablo/ultima type? |
| 20:43.48 | Amarande | hm |
| 20:44.07 | Amarande | more like ... have you ever played say, Star Ocean 3 or Xenosaga? |
| 20:44.20 | Amarande | Xenosaga, probably compares best to it in gameplay |
| 20:44.29 | WhiteWolf | amro: that should be fine, there's not much current that can flow through an ide or sata cable, but if it does you'll know :) |
| 20:44.30 | Amarande | turn-based combat, but getting into combat is action based (mobs are on the field, you touch, you fight) |
| 20:44.37 | Corr-work | i haven't, unfortunately. they're on my list. |
| 20:44.48 | Corr-work | in such a place that i'll probably never get to them... |
| 20:45.11 | Amarande | except that in Xenosaga you see what your main enemy will be, while in Persona 3 and 4, you only have a general idea of the strength of the enemy or if it is a rare mob (or if it's the reaper, in P3's case) |
| 20:45.15 | Corr-work | as far as i was aware, xenosaga was a reasonably typical jrpg |
| 20:45.31 | Corr-work | or crpg. don't know if it's japanese. |
| 20:45.36 | alestane | It is. |
| 20:45.56 | Amarande | there's also that dating sim stuff, but meh, that's stuff you just hit X through so you can get things you need to be able to obtain the best Persona |
| 20:46.41 | Corr-work | dating sim stuff, that was what was confusing me. i remember reading pieces of info about that in a review, mixed in with pieces of info about the real game |
| 20:46.44 | Corr-work | it was all very confusing |
| 20:47.52 | Corr-work | i still cannot imagine what a play session is like |
| 20:48.13 | Shirik | amro: Thiis is the only way I can think of connecting the PWR_OK lines together, but it definitely requires hardware I'm fairly certain you don't have. |
| 20:48.22 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/acba60685582302e1911a51adb35a217.jpg |
| 20:48.28 | Shirik | It also requires splicing the line on your main PSU |
| 20:48.28 | Amarande | Corr: there is a definite separation, for the most part, between battle and non-battle gameplay in P3 and P4 |
| 20:48.38 | Shirik | which is why I don't recommend it |
| 20:48.54 | WhiteWolf | heh |
| 20:48.57 | Shirik | uhhhh |
| 20:48.59 | Amarande | Non-battle gameplay consists mostly of RP'd high school and dating sim stuff |
| 20:49.01 | Shirik | whoops sorry amro, that's not right |
| 20:49.09 | WhiteWolf | yeah |
| 20:49.15 | WhiteWolf | that's not |
| 20:49.17 | Amarande | Battle gameplay is basically a dungeon crawler with the split action/turnbased system I mentioned |
| 20:49.19 | Corr-work | that's so... strange |
| 20:49.26 | Thunder_Child | dont listen to Shirik amro, he is trying to kill you |
| 20:49.34 | Amarande | however, things you do in the non-battle gameplay can give you rewards that help you in the battle gameplay |
| 20:49.50 | Amarande | for instance, Personae are divided into 22 different groups, based on the Major Arcana of the Tarot |
| 20:49.55 | WhiteWolf | at least design it using cmos if you're going to make it more complicated than it needs to be |
| 20:50.08 | Corr-work | i take it those are, like, characters |
| 20:50.17 | Amarande | you can ONLY fuse the highest Persona in any given group IF you have maxed out the "Social Link" (via the non-battle gameplay) corresponding to that group |
| 20:50.30 | Shirik | amro: This is corrected: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3835f82b84b56f8f0d2f181970bec12f.jpg |
| 20:51.04 | Amarande | in addition, a number of (especially the top ranking ones) personae are special fusions, which means they need specific personae as components and *cannot* be obtained via any other means |
| 20:51.14 | WhiteWolf | argh |
| 20:51.17 | WhiteWolf | another NMOS design |
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| 20:51.34 | Amarande | and oftentimes, the special fusion components are OTHER top ranking personae, so some of them require you have top Social Link in two or more categories in order to actually get them |
| 20:51.37 | Amarande | Corr: basically. |
| 20:51.44 | Corr-work | okay. does it have a... story, like a regular rpg? |
| 20:51.49 | Shirik | That's not NMOS, WhiteWolf |
| 20:51.52 | Corr-work | final battle? overarching plot? |
| 20:52.07 | Amarande | personae are a sort of character-over-the-character that you use in battle |
| 20:52.10 | Amarande | yeah, they have storylines |
| 20:52.30 | WhiteWolf | yikes |
| 20:52.34 | WhiteWolf | you're right |
| 20:52.38 | WhiteWolf | it's using a PUN |
| 20:52.46 | Amarande | Basically, you have your character. Then that character taps into a Persona, which determines their skills, stats, and elemental affinities in battle. |
| 20:52.59 | Corr-work | pokemans! |
| 20:53.05 | Shirik | a PUN? |
| 20:53.07 | Amarande | not really as such, Corr |
| 20:53.08 | WhiteWolf | pull up network |
| 20:53.14 | Amarande | Pokemon would be more like summoning teammates |
| 20:53.32 | Corr-work | to be serious, i think i get the picture. for the most part. |
| 20:53.33 | Amarande | a persona is a set of skills and stats and affinities that overlays ON your character |
| 20:53.39 | WhiteWolf | nmos is clearly identified using a pdn instead |
| 20:53.59 | Amarande | Pokemon would be more like Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne |
| 20:54.07 | Shirik | There aren't even FETs in this design |
| 20:54.10 | Corr-work | that's also on my list :/ |
| 20:54.16 | Corr-work | if only they could do without the social sim part... but those games are on my review list, if not the play list yet |
| 20:54.22 | Shirik | it's obviously not NMOS, and I grow nervous that you thought it was |
| 20:54.30 | Amarande | also, P3 has grind limitation |
| 20:54.33 | Amarande | and the damned reaper |
| 20:54.37 | Amarande | which is why I'll probably play P4 first |
| 20:54.50 | Corr-work | are P1 and P2 very different? |
| 20:55.03 | Amarande | P2 is very different |
| 20:55.28 | Amarande | it's pretty much a traditional turn-based RPG with random battles, unlike P3 and P4's field-visible battles |
| 20:55.37 | Amarande | also, in P2, you CANNOT return to dungeons once completed |
| 20:55.48 | amro | Shirik: what are you using to draw the diagrams? |
| 20:55.51 | WhiteWolf | Shirik: well, yes it's using BJTs -- and i apologize, been quite some time since i last had any practical application of it, thus most of my hardware/ee knowledge went away |
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| 20:56.10 | Shirik | amro: CircuitMaker. Normally I'd use MultiSim but I don't have it on this computer :( |
| 20:56.13 | Amarande | although in P2, personae are still divided into tarot-based groups, and they still essentially function as a piece of equipment that grants skills, stats, and elemental affinities |
| 20:56.57 | Amarande | P2 didn't have fusion, though |
| 20:57.13 | Corr-work | okay. well, as familiar as i am with japanese dating sims, i'm not sure i want to play them. we'll see what the reviews say, once i'm in the mood for something a little different. |
| 20:57.20 | Shirik | oh my, that's stil wrong amro, I'm sorry. I'm not paying attention today :( |
| 20:57.24 | Amarande | also, P2 didn't really have any dating sim stuff, either |
| 20:57.28 | Amarande | that came into the series with 3 |
| 20:57.49 | Amarande | and is a Persona series specific pretty much (i.e., you won't find it in Nocturne or Digital Devil Saga or Devil Summoner) |
| 20:57.59 | Shirik | I went through 3 design iterations and didn't correct everything unfortunately :( |
| 20:58.05 | Corr-work | you mention those other games as if they're related in some way |
| 20:58.18 | Amarande | Corr: well, all the SMT games share certain things in common |
| 20:58.39 | Amarande | for instance, in particular, most spells share the same names across nearly all SMT games |
| 20:58.55 | Amarande | e.g., Agi is always a weak single-target fire spell, and Megidolaon is always a powerful all-targets almighty spell |
| 20:59.17 | Shirik | The first one I gave you was correct, amro: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/acba60685582302e1911a51adb35a217.jpg |
| 20:59.21 | Shirik | I'm seeing things |
| 20:59.31 | Amarande | they also share in common the fact that most of the enemies (as well as most of the party-joinable characters in some way or another) are supernatural beings from various mythologies |
| 20:59.41 | Shirik | have to go take a shower now |
| 21:00.07 | Corr-work | huh. okay. do you need to play earlier ones to understand later ones? |
| 21:00.13 | Amarande | Corr: not really |
| 21:00.25 | Amarande | except that Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 are two parts of the same story, and should be played in that order |
| 21:00.29 | Corr-work | okay, right |
| 21:00.54 | amro | Shirik: thanks again. I'm gonna need a bit to understand it exactly though |
| 21:01.12 | Amarande | there's also oftentimes references to other games in the series, but nothing major |
| 21:01.19 | Corr-work | i played WoW for a year and got seriously behind on gaming and reading and such |
| 21:01.49 | Amarande | there are said to be some slight references in Nocturne to Shin Megami Tensei II (which only came out in Japan), but you don't need to know this to play Nocturne |
| 21:02.03 | Corr-work | if only i didn't have to work, maybe i'd have enough time to do everything i want to do |
| 21:02.11 | Amarande | and the main character from Nocturne appears as an optional super boss in DDS1 |
| 21:03.01 | Amarande | oh, yeah. never facemash the controller in any Shin Megami Tensei game, either |
| 21:03.09 | Corr-work | i don't know what that means |
| 21:03.13 | Shirik | amro: It's fairly simple. The two transistors form an AND gate between the two PWR_OK lines from power supplies |
| 21:03.21 | Amarande | Corr: means you can't just keep bashing away at random like in say Final Fantasy or WoW. :) |
| 21:03.33 | Shirik | When both are high, that's fed into the OP AMP which pulls the line to 5V before sending it to the motherboard |
| 21:03.43 | Amarande | you know, how in FF eventually basically every regular fight was just using normal attack over and over? :S |
| 21:03.43 | Shirik | When one is low, the OP AMP goes to 0V |
| 21:03.54 | Corr-work | i prefer more complex battles, but not when there's any grinding involved |
| 21:04.00 | Corr-work | then it just gets boring faster |
| 21:04.13 | Shirik | The OP AMP is acting as a comparator against a 2.5V signal with infinite gain (infinite gain results in it being pulled to the high power rail, which is 5V) |
| 21:04.34 | Corr-work | WoW was tolerable because most fights could be simplified to pressing one or two keys over and over |
| 21:04.42 | Corr-work | grind-type ones, anyway |
| 21:04.45 | Amarande | Grinding in SMT games generally doesn't help especially much |
| 21:04.52 | Amarande | except maybe in the beginning where a few extra HP sometimes makes the difference |
| 21:05.19 | Shirik | But again amro I wouldn't recommend it because it requires splicing the line and I never try to recommend that kind of stuff for valuable equipment :) |
| 21:05.32 | Shirik | Might I ask why you're trying to do this instead of using 1 PSU, amro? |
| 21:06.13 | Amarande | Corr: there are fights you can win at level 30 with the right stuff that you'd die miserably in at level 99 with the wrong stuff, basically |
| 21:06.15 | amro | because I cannot find a PSU > 400W |
| 21:06.23 | Corr-work | okay, good |
| 21:06.24 | amro | I also don't have OP AMPs |
| 21:06.24 | Amarande | that's how much skills and proper choice of persona/demons/etc. matter versus mere level grinding |
| 21:06.37 | amro | so I won't be trying that, but it's interesting to know |
| 21:07.00 | Corr-work | as long as you don't have to pull off hundreds of complex battles, driving the player to insanity, i'm cool with it |
| 21:07.25 | Shirik | You can't find one over 400W? |
| 21:07.27 | Shirik | Where do you live? |
| 21:07.31 | Amarande | If you grind, it should be because you need to to access a skill you want/need, or to fuse a persona/demon that you want/need because it has skills/elemental affinities you want/need for the next boss. |
| 21:07.40 | amro | Algeria |
| 21:07.50 | Shirik | Newegg can't ship there? |
| 21:07.52 | WhiteWolf | is it a sfx power supply or something? heh |
| 21:07.54 | Corr-work | that portion of the game sounds very pleasing to play, Amarande. |
| 21:07.57 | WhiteWolf | oh |
| 21:07.59 | Amarande | Or rarely, if a boss just does WAY too much damage and you really need a little extra HP. |
| 21:07.59 | Corr-work | ...games |
| 21:08.22 | Shirik | Or do you not want to pay an outrageous fee for shipping? I guess it would probably be expensive |
| 21:08.30 | Shirik | I generally don't think about international shipping costs |
| 21:08.39 | amro | I've considered buying one from newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004) bu shipping is uite expensive |
| 21:08.39 | WhiteWolf | Shirik: newegg doesn't ship outside of NA last i checked |
| 21:08.45 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:08.55 | WhiteWolf | or maybe just not to select countries |
| 21:08.58 | Shirik | well that kinda sucks :/ |
| 21:09.00 | Amarande | however, that usually occurs mainly either early on in the game, before you really have access to enough skills to win otherwise, or very late in the game and against sidebosses (as they tend to <3 almighty all-targets attacks and if you don't have enough HP then it's just too bad) |
| 21:09.12 | WhiteWolf | thats why it made (somewhat) news when some russians got newegg to ship to them by sending it to canada first |
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| 21:09.30 | amro | I can get someone to send it via UPS but it costs $200-$300 to ship depending on volume and weight |
| 21:09.35 | Shirik | ow |
| 21:09.43 | Amarande | Corr: The worst grinds are probably for fighting the toughest secret bosses in the Digital Devil Saga games |
| 21:09.56 | Shirik | sorry about that :( |
| 21:09.56 | Corr-work | i may not bother |
| 21:09.57 | Amarande | however, that is because said bosses are also among the hardest, perhaps even THE hardest JRPG bosses ever |
| 21:10.09 | Amarande | yeah, a lot of people skip the secret boss from DDS1 in particular |
| 21:10.21 | Corr-work | secret bosses and collection quests... aren't worth the minimal sense of accomplishment for me |
| 21:10.22 | Amarande | because you have to actually be on a New Game + in order to fight him, and even then basically at the end of the game the second time too |
| 21:10.42 | Corr-work | fuck no, i've never played a + game and have no intention of doing so unless it's DRASTICALLY different |
| 21:10.57 | Amarande | also, while like some other secret bosses, Hitoshura DOES have a bonus reward when you transfer clear data into DDS2, his reward actually kind of sucks compared to the other bonus bosses that have such rewards |
| 21:11.02 | Corr-work | i have to prioritize my time, and repeating things just isn't worth it |
| 21:11.47 | Amarande | All the secret bosses in DDS1 that give rewards in DDS2 do so in the form of a Karma Ring, a (DDS2-only) equipment that grants various kinds of bonuses to the character equipping it |
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| 21:12.00 | Corr-work | collecting trophies in a game used to amuse me, but WoW broke me of the habit by showing me how pointless it was :( |
| 21:12.16 | amro | Shirik: you wouldn't happen to know how many watts a core 2 duo would need? |
| 21:12.34 | WhiteWolf | which |
| 21:12.38 | Amarande | The other DDS1 secret bosses give DDS2 rings that give ... ice immunity, death repel, expel repel, and one makes you only take 70% damage from almighty attacks |
| 21:13.02 | Corr-work | if i can beat the game without bonuses, i don't want to spend time to get them. if it isn't fun without the bonuses, why am i playing it at all? |
| 21:13.17 | Amarande | Hito's gives ... +10 all stats. In a game where you can get another karma ring that gives +20 all stats, and generally speaking the rings that only give +stats are crap in the end anyway |
| 21:13.56 | Amarande | Some rings just give +stats, while others give actual special bonuses that you can't get in any other way |
| 21:14.35 | amro | is there a ring that gives you a reason to play the game? :P |
| 21:14.44 | Amarande | Oh, and if you beat Satan (the secret uberboss in DDS2) you get ... a Soma. |
| 21:14.45 | Amarande | That's it. |
| 21:14.46 | Amarande | Just a Soma. |
| 21:14.53 | Corr-work | okay. what's that? |
| 21:14.59 | Amarande | Corr: like a Megalixir from FF |
| 21:15.06 | Corr-work | i never used those items, you know |
| 21:15.16 | Corr-work | i was such an item whore |
| 21:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: pffft, l2BraveNewWorld :p |
| 21:15.23 | Corr-work | i've gotten over it, to some extent |
| 21:15.34 | Corr-work | i don't know what you're saying, Night |
| 21:15.48 | Dashkal | Corr-work: you need to go read a book |
| 21:15.55 | Amarande | Satan and Hitoshura probably ARE the two hardest bosses in JRPGdom, though |
| 21:16.25 | Amarande | except maybe King of Angolmois or Ragu O Ragula from Wild Arms 2 |
| 21:16.25 | Shirik | amro: The specs are dependent upon which one you have |
| 21:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma_(Huxley) |
| 21:16.29 | Shirik | Intel has white papers on all of them |
| 21:19.15 | Corr-work | i'm going to go make some tea and continue to whither away at this desk |
| 21:19.24 | Amarande | The thing about Satan is you need a little bit of luck, plus you have to keep always track of the turn number mod 4, plus you have to do everything just so for 30,000 enemy HP, or you're dead. |
| 21:19.28 | cladhaire | Anyone here with an EU account willing to help me for two seconds on Vek'nilash? |
| 21:19.31 | cladhaire | I just need some signatures for a guild charter, and considering there aren't any people on my server, its rather difficult :P |
| 21:19.42 | Amarande | The thing about Hitoshura is that while the strategy is pretty clear-cut, you need ridiculous amounts of luck. |
| 21:19.59 | Corr-work | i don't like luck fights |
| 21:20.30 | Shirik | lua> 1.3625 * 75 |
| 21:20.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: 102.1875 |
| 21:20.43 | Amarande | Corr: well, there's *one* way to avoid most of the luck |
| 21:20.53 | Amarande | but you still need a little, and it's still pretty much a 'everything just so' fight then, too |
| 21:21.13 | Amarande | The main problem with Hitoshura comes in the ban on immunity skills |
| 21:21.40 | Amarande | They hand you immunity skills like candy in DDS, up to eventually Null Attack, which does just that (with the exception of Almighty attacks, which always work). |
| 21:22.14 | Shirik | lua> 1.5 * 75, 1.5 * 90 |
| 21:22.15 | lua_bot | Shirik: 112.5, 135 |
| 21:22.18 | Amarande | However, if you use ANY immunity skills AT ALL (with two specific exceptions), either ones that are passively equipped or ones that are cast, against Hitoshura |
| 21:22.28 | Amarande | he goes psycho on you and will cast a fun attack called Gaia Rage every turn. |
| 21:22.40 | Shirik | amro: According to their datasheets, 102W peak for the E7000 & E8000 series, 112.5W for the E4000 and E6000 series, 135W for the X6800 |
| 21:22.44 | Amarande | Which does well over 10,000 damage to everyone. It's almighty, of course. |
| 21:22.50 | Shirik | Note that these are absolute maximum ratings and it may be lower than that |
| 21:22.56 | Amarande | Given that your max HP in DDS is 999, I don't think I need to explain why this is bad news. :) |
| 21:24.03 | amro | Shirik: thanks, intel.com is timing out here |
| 21:24.03 | Amarande | The only 'null' skills you're allowed to use against Hitoshura are Null Critical and Null Sleep. (And in fact, you essentially -have- to use both of them, too) |
| 21:24.21 | Shirik | Spec sheets are http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/313278.pdf and http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/318732.pdf at section 2.6.2 |
| 21:24.33 | amro | Shirik: in that case I might be able to cut it with one PSU, depending on how much it can put through the +12V rail |
| 21:25.01 | Shirik | The 12V line limits are standardized |
| 21:25.41 | Amarande | Corr: If you're wondering, Null Critical significantly reduces crits against the character, which is important, because in Nocturne and DDS if a physical attack crits, the party that dealt that attack basically gets an extra turn (with limits, in particular, you can't get more bonus turns in a round than the number of turns you began the round with) |
| 21:25.47 | Amarande | and Hitoshura's physical attacks crit like, all the freaking time |
| 21:26.34 | Amarande | As for Null Sleep, it's the ... hmm, what's the FF term for this? |
| 21:26.56 | Amarande | That skill/item/whatnot that is absolutely useless except in one specific boss battle, in which it is of course absolutely essential |
| 21:27.03 | alestane | This, this is just full of fail: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13770007830&sid=1 |
| 21:27.06 | Amarande | I know there's a cliche term for that |
| 21:27.17 | Shirik | Sorry amro I take that back; the ATX specification doesn't specify the max current anymore, only what should happen when it's overcurrent |
| 21:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, that would be "one trick pony" |
| 21:27.43 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm supposing 'what should happen when it's overcurrent' isn't supposed to be 'fry all components' :) |
| 21:27.56 | Shirik | heh, it's a little more strict than that :) |
| 21:28.05 | Amarande | Shirik: 'fry this specific component'? |
| 21:28.37 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: yeah, that would work, although I thought there was a console RPG cliche term for it too |
| 21:28.40 | Shirik | It must disengage the PWR_OK line within x ms, leave the power enabled with the 12V line clamped for y ms, then disengage all power, including 5VSB until the fault is corrected |
| 21:28.50 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: never underestimate the stupidity of other people |
| 21:28.51 | Corr-work | i don't know the term, sorry |
| 21:29.24 | Shirik | (I don't know the actual numbers off the top of my head) |
| 21:30.03 | Amarande | Corr: well, what Null Sleep does isn't immunity to sleep, but rather, 100% immunity to everything while you are asleep |
| 21:30.16 | Corr-work | that's strange |
| 21:30.22 | Amarande | The reason you need that is that Hito comes with buddies |
| 21:30.23 | amro | Shirik: 2.2 spec shows about 350W on 12V for a 400W config |
| 21:30.38 | amro | though I'd better just check this PSU's manual, sec |
| 21:30.51 | Amarande | he has six of them in a fixed rotation, starts with two summoned, and each time you kill one or the other he will summon the next ones in the rotation infinitely till end of battle |
| 21:31.03 | Amarande | whenever he summons Pixie or Parvati, they will cast Dormina (all party sleep) on the party. |
| 21:31.11 | Amarande | The next thing Hito will then do will always be ... yeah, Gaia Rage. |
| 21:31.18 | Amarande | I think you can figure out why Null Sleep is required. :) |
| 21:31.24 | Corr-work | yeah |
| 21:32.08 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: in TomTom, when i add a waypoint to different zone than the one i'm in.. i don't get a waypoint arrow.. I used too..am i doing something wrong or did something change? |
| 21:32.23 | Tem|work | yes |
| 21:32.26 | cladhaire | Astrolabe is broken, and Esamynn has not fixed it. |
| 21:32.27 | Tem|work | you're using the wrong "to" |
| 21:32.32 | Tem|work | therefore broken addons |
| 21:33.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: ah, okay, fair enough. Tem|work: Two hell with you, and you're little dog to! |
| 21:34.54 | amro | Shirik: 280W only :( |
| 21:35.10 | Shirik | what do you need? |
| 21:35.58 | amro | at least 300W, need to check the card's spec for max wattage |
| 21:36.57 | sioraiocht | mikma: is that finnish? |
| 21:37.21 | cladhaire | I need two more EU friends to sign onto Vek'nilash human please :P |
| 21:37.39 | mikma | sioraiocht: which one? =) |
| 21:37.48 | Shirik | Did you think about just trying it? :) |
| 21:37.48 | sioraiocht | mikmadin |
| 21:38.03 | Shirik | Or do you not have the card yet? |
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| 21:38.22 | mikma | sioraiocht: mikma + paladin = mikmadin |
| 21:38.29 | sioraiocht | aye |
| 21:38.32 | sioraiocht | i mean the language you were speaking |
| 21:38.32 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 21:39.33 | mikma | ya it is =) |
| 21:39.47 | sioraiocht | ah, didn't know that you are finnish |
| 21:39.48 | amro | Shirik: I do, but I'll have to wait for tomorrow (when I will rig a 6-pin connector for the supplemental slot) |
| 21:39.56 | amro | testing it with one gives very poor performance |
| 21:40.02 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:40.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:41.05 | amro | I'm guessing it peaks at 200-250W if that high, from the max allowed on the PCIe bus + 2x connectors |
| 21:44.05 | foxlit | # Curse you all, I shall return. Well, first, I shall shower... But then, I'll wreak my sanitary vengeance! |
| 21:44.15 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 21:44.37 | Olorin | happy xmas to you too foxlit |
| 21:44.40 | mikma | sioraiocht: well, secret is out! damn |
| 21:44.44 | sioraiocht | heheh |
| 21:45.36 | foxlit | I wonder who wrote this stuff |
| 21:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | St. Crispin. |
| 21:49.48 | Shirik | I found my theme song, I forgot to tell you |
| 21:50.58 | Shirik | before you kill me, I'm kidding of course |
| 21:51.05 | Thunder_Child | ~kill Shirik |
| 21:51.06 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudopositrino gun at Shirik |
| 21:52.21 | Lopeppeppy | My theme song. A little quiet though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4V1HhU1NI8 |
| 21:52.29 | Lopeppeppy | And you're still gonna get dead. |
| 21:53.05 | Shirik | oh I love that song |
| 21:53.10 | Shirik | very meaningful :) |
| 21:53.30 | Shirik | though the quality of that is kinda.. bad |
| 21:53.37 | Thunder_Child | click HD |
| 21:54.02 | Thunder_Child | though that doesnt seem to help much |
| 21:54.06 | Shirik | It's the sound that worries me, not the video |
| 21:54.14 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMOd2p4gYfg&feature=related is better |
| 21:54.39 | Shirik | or better yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbkBp04ykQg&feature=related |
| 21:54.58 | Shirik | though that last video completely missed the meaning of the song |
| 21:54.59 | Shirik | completely |
| 21:55.03 | Shirik | it has nothing to do with fire >< |
| 21:55.53 | alestane | Dammit, I need Lunessa to come back so I can rub his nose in the fact that he was wrong. |
| 21:56.03 | alestane | (Not very hard, mind you, but still). |
| 21:56.21 | Corr-work | ...i had another window over my irc client, blocking the word "nose" and beyond. i was very curious about what you just said. |
| 21:59.45 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/19/funny-pictures-cuddlez/ |
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| 22:04.09 | alestane | Not as adorable, but at least as true: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/19/funny-pictures-you-wont-be-wearing-those-new-pumps-youre-just-crazy-about-ever/ |
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| 22:06.19 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: re:astrolabe, I expect to have the fix posted tonight, I haven't had any time to do proper testing on my fix because of work and the holidays |
| 22:06.27 | Esamynn | cladhaire: ^ |
| 22:06.39 | cladhaire | thanks, i know you're busy |
| 22:06.47 | cladhaire | just letting him know there's nothing I can do about it :P |
| 22:07.15 | Esamynn | I know, I just thought I'd ante up and promise a fix for tonight :) |
| 22:07.42 | Esamynn | I apologize for leaving this one hanging, I actually created this problem while fixing the last one :( |
| 22:08.02 | Esamynn | which is why I want to really test it throughly |
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| 22:12.11 | widddee | anyone have a script/macro that activates Auto reply in terms of fex someone wants to do an instance. Hello wanna do daily heroic?, then auto reply "no sorry" fex |
| 22:12.21 | |pez| | omg, I dinged 77 and didn't notice-. >__> |
| 22:12.52 | Esamynn | ~fail |pez| |
| 22:12.53 | purl | |pez|, you Fail! |
| 22:13.56 | |pez| | Shh! |
| 22:14.06 | cladhaire | what the hell is fex? |
| 22:15.08 | Corr-work | analyzing the context, i'm going to guess at "for example". but it's only a guess. |
| 22:15.48 | Esamynn | |pez|: oh, I'm sorry, was that a secret? ;) |
| 22:15.49 | cladhaire | oh, i might want to stab myself if that is the case. |
| 22:16.06 | widddee | haha :P |
| 22:16.09 | widddee | it is cladhaire |
| 22:16.16 | Amarande | widddee: auto reply scripts are dangerous |
| 22:16.20 | Amarande | once I reported a GM for spamming ... heh |
| 22:16.26 | widddee | :P |
| 22:16.27 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:16.35 | widddee | I don't care (A) |
| 22:16.38 | widddee | anyone can make one? |
| 22:16.39 | Amarande | Esamynn: apparently, oftentimes at the end of helping you with the ticket they ask you to do a survey |
| 22:16.51 | Amarande | one time when I filed a ticket, I was using a UI that had an auto spam reporting widget |
| 22:16.54 | sioraiocht | what was wrong with "e.g." |
| 22:16.56 | Esamynn | yup, about 1/2 the time, i think |
| 22:17.06 | widddee | Amarande can you make one :P? |
| 22:18.49 | zenzelezz | sioraiocht: "f.ex." is just closer to the Scandinavian languages than "e.g." |
| 22:19.14 | |pez| | the norwegian equalent, is "f.eks" |
| 22:19.29 | Fisker- | fx > f.eks |
| 22:19.32 | widddee | And Swedish "T.ex" |
| 22:19.49 | Fisker- | and if your language "guys" have any balls it would be fx in norwegian as well |
| 22:20.21 | zenzelezz | x is an almost unused letter in the Norwegian language |
| 22:21.24 | Fisker- | your language sucks and you should feel bad :( |
| 22:21.32 | Amarande | I love how "AFK" apparently means "Please Message Me" in some or other language apparently |
| 22:24.04 | foxlit | Used "apparently" twice in the same sentence: clearly making stuff up. |
| 22:24.50 | Amarande | fox: I seem to get random messages more often when AFK than not :| |
| 22:24.56 | Gnarfoz | putting quotes around it doesn't absolve you, foxlit! :p |
| 22:27.20 | mikma | anyone here has three things? 1) spare time 2) dalaran access 3) will to help me testing my addon |
| 22:29.49 | Fisker- | i always have spare time |
| 22:29.58 | foxlit | I also have 4) Excessive laziness. |
| 22:31.00 | widddee | Anyone here able to "and have time" make an Auto reply script? that reply to any random that whispers me "wanna do heroic nexus?" reply: "no sorry im not up for any instance" |
| 22:37.12 | |pez| | I have a flying mount again. <3 |
| 22:40.07 | Tem|work | oh hell |
| 22:40.11 | Tem|work | it's 20 to 5 on a friday |
| 22:40.17 | Tem|work | productivity just went down the drain |
| 22:40.44 | Amarande | eh |
| 22:40.47 | Amarande | productivity is overrated |
| 22:40.56 | Amarande | unless you're the CEO |
| 22:41.14 | Amarande | this is one basic problem with business these days. |
| 22:41.28 | Amarande | generally, executives care about productivity, but do very little of it themselves, foisting it upon the workers |
| 22:41.34 | mikma | fisker-: ouch |
| 22:41.47 | Amarande | otoh, the workers are responsible for pretty much all the productivity, but are rarely given sufficient incentive to actually be productive |
| 22:42.13 | Tem|work | my point was merely that I could get stuff done in these last 20 minutes of the day |
| 22:42.16 | Tem|work | but I probably won't |
| 22:42.17 | Amarande | especially in today's economy, where your reward for being a great worker is a pink piece of paper three months later saying 'hey, you've been a great worker, but your services are no longer required, we're sorry' |
| 22:42.19 | Tem|work | because it's friday |
| 22:42.36 | Tem|work | and I want to go hoooome |
| 22:42.45 | Amarande | I didn't even go to work today |
| 22:42.57 | Tem|work | it might help if the crap I was doing wasn't completely mindless for me |
| 22:44.10 | Amarande | agh |
| 22:44.16 | Amarande | my fish keep coming up with "DO NOT EAT" tags |
| 22:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 22:49.42 | Amarande | yeah, I keep getting felblood snapper heh |
| 22:49.52 | Amarande | also: I'm pretty sure the water in Azeroth and Outland is pure ... caviar! |
| 22:50.48 | Amarande | how else does it never run out of fish? |
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| 22:52.55 | Amarande | also |
| 22:53.05 | Amarande | engineers should be able to make an 'annoying soundwave generator'. :) |
| 22:53.35 | Gnarfoz | they can, it's the damn toy train :< |
| 22:53.42 | Gnarfoz | or wherever that thing is from :p |
| 22:54.06 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: I was thinking something that would increase your aggro radius, as if you were lower level |
| 22:56.15 | Amarande | WTF. |
| 22:56.30 | Amarande | I just let someone ghettohearth off of me, and after that I just saw (random player name) declines your group invitation |
| 22:56.34 | Amarande | even though I never sent a group invitation |
| 22:58.25 | End | it sends the message to the wrong person if the leader changes sometimes |
| 22:58.51 | End | so you weren't the first choice for the ghettohearther :P |
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| 23:11.39 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:11.41 | Amarande | now to remember |
| 23:11.54 | Amarande | which is the quest you get eventually where horde go to a phased stormwind without alliance players actually around? |
| 23:12.17 | Amarande | and a phased ironforge, too, hopefully |
| 23:13.03 | Tekkub | uh... only thing I know of is ally in orgy phase, for wrathgate |
| 23:13.15 | Corr-work | did somebody say orgy? :3 |
| 23:13.32 | Amarande | Tekkub: is there a corresponding chain for horde? |
| 23:13.34 | foxlit | Someone did. |
| 23:13.38 | foxlit | Tekk better deliver. |
| 23:13.40 | Tekkub | great time to do ragefire if you want the achievement |
| 23:13.41 | Amarande | or does ally just get the best of it all around with achievements :| |
| 23:14.00 | Tekkub | yes, and it's all in orgy/uc as well, as far as I know |
| 23:14.11 | Amarande | I mean let's see ... horde doesn't have any area that's anything resembling teldrassil in guardedness |
| 23:14.13 | foxlit | "Amarande: which is the quest you get eventually where horde go to a phased stormwind without alliance players actually around?" |
| 23:14.16 | foxlit | There is no such quest |
| 23:14.32 | Amarande | also ally can get the fishing achievements with total ease because they get a phased Orgrimmar |
| 23:14.35 | Dashkal | Does the alli in org actually let you make it that far or do you snap back to the normal layer the moment you leave thrall's room? |
| 23:14.42 | Amarande | while we have to somehow hope we can find water in Stormwind and Ironforge where nobody wants us to die |
| 23:14.59 | Tekkub | it's phased, you can run around |
| 23:15.02 | Amarande | Dash: it's been mentioned on wowhead as a way to do the fishing achievements |
| 23:15.02 | foxlit | Yeah, yeah, yeah. And your faces are ugly. |
| 23:15.04 | Tekkub | guards don't attack |
| 23:15.05 | foxlit | And you whine a lot. |
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| 23:15.14 | Dashkal | very cool, my fisher is going to love that |
| 23:16.20 | Amarande | sooo ... I'm supposing to get the fishing achievements on horde, I'm probably going to have to find a night when I can afford to stay up till 4am? |
| 23:16.50 | Tekkub | I don't see why |
| 23:16.58 | Tekkub | no one goes up in forlorn cavern |
| 23:17.05 | Tekkub | you'll be fine |
| 23:17.21 | Corr-work | are these achievements based on being the only person fishing in an area? |
| 23:17.38 | Amarande | Corr: no, but each faction has to fish up a rare fish from a cross-faction capital city |
| 23:17.55 | Amarande | which means you are no-matter-what PvP flagged in an area where there are going to be other players with a chance to spot you eventually |
| 23:17.57 | Esamynn | Tekkub: alliance fishermen go there for the achievement now ;) |
| 23:18.20 | Tekkub | and considering they have to do the cross-faction shit, they're likely to leave you be |
| 23:18.26 | Esamynn | heh, true |
| 23:18.29 | Amarande | Esamynn: great, so either stay up till 4am or get full S5 before doing that? heh |
| 23:18.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:18.50 | Amarande | I suppose I could also transfer to Azshara, but I'd rather stay on Turalyon heh |
| 23:19.05 | Esamynn | err, why would that help? |
| 23:19.15 | Amarande | Esamynn: hardly anyone actually even plays on azshara :P |
| 23:19.20 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:19.57 | Amarande | Tekkub: thing is, Alliance don't NEED the Horde to be friendly and cooperative to let them get Old Crafty |
| 23:20.00 | Amarande | they can do it during that quest |
| 23:20.08 | Amarande | Horde have NO way to get Old Ironjaw without worrying about PvP |
| 23:20.15 | foxlit | whine whine whine WHINE WHINE whine. |
| 23:20.21 | Tekkub | what he said |
| 23:20.33 | Tekkub | you're making a big bitchy deal out of something that isn't |
| 23:20.36 | Esamynn | I've heard of that bug, I've considered trying it, but.... it feels cheap |
| 23:20.43 | Tekkub | go, fish, you'll be fine |
| 23:20.58 | Amarande | the other irritating thing, though only slightly so |
| 23:21.02 | Amarande | is that not only do ally have that advantage |
| 23:21.11 | Amarande | but horde actually have to fish in *both* SW and IF for achievements, while Ally only need Org |
| 23:21.27 | Esamynn | why SW? |
| 23:21.28 | Amarande | I'm trying to think. There a good spot on an alliance majority server to grab a quick fish in SW without being ganked? |
| 23:21.36 | Amarande | Esamynn: The Fishing Diplomat |
| 23:21.44 | Tekkub | and you think being in SW ISN'T painful for ally also? |
| 23:21.55 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:21.58 | Vangual | yes there is. I've never entered Stormwind nor IF and am Salty anyways :) |
| 23:22.00 | Tekkub | god, try spending half an hour there it's aweful |
| 23:22.11 | Corr-work | why? |
| 23:22.12 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 23:22.13 | Amarande | Tekkub: I can't imagine it's any worse than Orgrimmar |
| 23:22.18 | foxlit | walk in, walk under bridge, fish, done. |
| 23:22.21 | Tekkub | idiots, humans, you name it |
| 23:22.26 | Amarande | except that alliance trade chat is far more brain-rotting than horde trade chat |
| 23:22.40 | Esamynn | Amarande: does out in the "moat" area count? |
| 23:22.45 | Tekkub | trade ain't town-specific so it dun count |
| 23:23.34 | Amarande | Tekkub: who uses /1 in cities? |
| 23:23.37 | Amarande | everyone uses /2 |
| 23:24.02 | Tekkub | I leave all those shit channels |
| 23:24.07 | Amarande | what's fun, too, is that if you go to an alliance city as horde, you actually get to see trade chat there LOL |
| 23:24.24 | Esamynn | Amarande: anyways, yes, if the "moat" at the entrance to SW counts, that should be an easy one, since you only need one cast |
| 23:24.43 | foxlit | Valley of Heroes, please. |
| 23:24.59 | Amarande | foxlit: you're alliance, you don't have heroes |
| 23:25.00 | Esamynn | yah yah, fine, I couldn't remember the name |
| 23:25.09 | Esamynn | not true |
| 23:25.18 | foxlit | Come by to visit, we'll show you some statues before bashing your skull in :) |
| 23:25.26 | Amarande | LOL |
| 23:25.49 | Esamynn | the Alliance has plenty of heros, they'd just been.... sidelined in recent years :/ |
| 23:25.58 | Esamynn | or killed |
| 23:25.58 | Amarande | yay, so all my remaining outland gourmet recipes apparently either require fish or are the chocolate cake |
| 23:26.01 | Amarande | this is going to take a while. |
| 23:26.02 | Tekkub | ILLIBEANS! |
| 23:26.16 | Amarande | since I only have 308 fishing, particularly |
| 23:26.24 | amro | Esamynn: or asleep |
| 23:26.31 | Esamynn | or that |
| 23:26.32 | Amarande | btw, how stupid high is the max fishing requirement in northrend? :) |
| 23:26.41 | Lopeppeppy | Alliance heros are all deadburgers. WTB new heroes. |
| 23:27.03 | Esamynn | amro: thinking about the state of the night elf leadership erks me, that prick in Darnassus pisses me off |
| 23:27.11 | Amarande | Esamynn: Tyrande? |
| 23:27.21 | Esamynn | ... |
| 23:27.23 | amro | no, Fandral Staghelm is in charge |
| 23:27.24 | Esamynn | ~fail Amarande |
| 23:27.25 | purl | Amarande: FAIL! |
| 23:27.26 | foxlit | Esamynn: how do you like our new human overlords? |
| 23:27.39 | Tekkub | Lopeppeppy, but now YOU'RE the hero |
| 23:27.44 | Tekkub | YOU'RE GUNNA DIE |
| 23:27.58 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh-uh. |
| 23:28.11 | Esamynn | foxlit: I choose to not acknowledge them |
| 23:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is a safe little unknown stabbity rogue. Her son Kirwan's gonna die. |
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| 23:30.25 | foxlit | "I can't believe it! A rag-tag team of nobodies has defeated Arthas!" |
| 23:30.33 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 23:30.43 | Esamynn | lo |
| 23:30.45 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:30.50 | Tekkub | yea he just talks big |
| 23:30.52 | Tem|AFK | foxlit, I soloed that questline |
| 23:31.04 | Tem|AFK | oh wait |
| 23:31.08 | Esamynn | this an Icecrown quest line? |
| 23:31.09 | Tem|AFK | that's amphitheater |
| 23:31.17 | Tem|AFK | I did not solo all of amp |
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| 23:31.32 | Esamynn | Tem|afk: stop confusing me, he made that line up :P |
| 23:32.01 | Tem|AFK | meh |
| 23:32.02 | Amarande | heh ... Strange. SMV is one of the highest level areas in Outland, but has one of the lowest fishing requirements |
| 23:32.48 | foxlit | Lava is as lava does. |
| 23:33.20 | Amarande | also speaking of fishing: what do you think of the notion that the Master Angler achievement should be removed from the fishing meta? |
| 23:33.39 | Amarande | the main case for it seems to be this ... |
| 23:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | One person can get it and keep it forever. Seems kind of wrong. |
| 23:34.18 | Amarande | Essentially all other meta achievements with titles, except the ones for server first FoS, can be obtained by unlimited people simply by putting in the time and effort |
| 23:34.32 | Amarande | Salty, however, can ONLY be obtained by fifty-two people per year per server, and most likely significantly less. |
| 23:35.12 | Amarande | The complaints seem to be loudest from people who regularly work Sunday afternoons, so they are specifically denied that particular title |
| 23:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. If it weren't tied to a particular day of the week maybe.... |
| 23:35.55 | tpopcaz | anyone know where i can get a cheap tbc key from i have the game just no key to upgrade my account so i can get lich king |
| 23:35.58 | Corr-work | shrug, it's WoW |
| 23:36.00 | Corr-work | serious business |
| 23:36.14 | foxlit | Clearly that entire contest must be changed to give out welfare fishpics! |
| 23:36.16 | Amarande | tpopcaz: you should be able to upgrade your account for I think $40 or so via the WoW site |
| 23:36.35 | Amarande | foxlit: the better idea would probably be to make it daily rather than only on Sundays |
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| 23:36.48 | tpopcaz | just to tbc is 40? |
| 23:36.49 | Amarande | everyone has a day off at some point during the week :) |
| 23:36.49 | foxlit | This only-one-can-win mentality is a remnant of the old PvP design and must be done away with once and for all! |
| 23:36.51 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 23:37.06 | foxlit | All hail our new welfare fish overlords. |
| 23:37.08 | foxlit | And Cairenn. |
| 23:37.18 | Amarande | tpopcaz: well, it was 40 when I bought the upgrade online |
| 23:37.20 | Amarande | don't know what it is now |
| 23:37.31 | Amarande | it's pretty much the same as the retail price of buying BC in a box |
| 23:38.00 | Cairenn | hi Amarande :) |
| 23:38.04 | tpopcaz | ahh i wish lich king would just upgrade me all the way cuz i got the tbc from a friend but he used the key |
| 23:38.04 | Amarande | How's you? |
| 23:38.07 | Cairenn | I is |
| 23:38.08 | Cairenn | you? |
| 23:38.15 | Amarande | ehh, ok I guess |
| 23:38.15 | foxlit | I'm here all week, try the... fish? |
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| 23:38.22 | Cairenn | foxlit: lol |
| 23:38.46 | Esamynn | TBC costs like $20 in stores these days, doesn't it? |
| 23:39.00 | Cairenn | Esamynn: sounds about right |
| 23:39.21 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:39.26 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: heh, tell me about it |
| 23:39.33 | Amarande | tpopcaz: there's a reason you need BC to get WotLK |
| 23:39.34 | Esamynn | we have snow too! |
| 23:39.41 | Esamynn | we're in the middle of a cold snap! |
| 23:39.46 | Esamynn | high of -6 C today! ;) |
| 23:39.50 | foxlit | Can I modify contents of restricted environments outside of combat lockdown without the whole "execute this string of code" run around? |
| 23:39.54 | Lopeppeppy | 5 inches of snow and still falling. |
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| 23:40.00 | Amarande | can you imagine trying to level to 68-70 without? :) |
| 23:40.15 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 23:40.23 | foxlit | It's called Deadwind Pass. |
| 23:40.29 | Esamynn | ROFL |
| 23:40.50 | Amarande | Actually, theoretically you can level to 80 without ever leaving Azeroth, assuming you have both expansions installed, but it would take so long as to be mind numbing |
| 23:41.09 | Amarande | though I'm not sure it'd be as mind numbing as, say, getting exalted with the pirates. :) |
| 23:41.23 | Esamynn | from what? grey quests? |
| 23:41.47 | Amarande | Esamynn: Things stay green up to 8 levels below all the way to 80, right? |
| 23:42.03 | Esamynn | I would assume so, when 60 was the cap, it was 12 levels! ;) |
| 23:42.19 | Amarande | So ... you'd have to grind stuff in 60 areas till you hit 66-67 or so. |
| 23:42.31 | Esamynn | oh, by not leaving Azeroth, you mean just not going to Outland |
| 23:42.33 | Amarande | Then you can go to Deadwind and grind the mobs by Kara through ... 78-79, probably |
| 23:42.34 | Esamynn | nm |
| 23:42.55 | Amarande | and you can get the last couple of levels from running BM over and over, since the mobs there are up to 72 |
| 23:43.04 | Dashkal | *makes the mistake of clicking on a warlock thread* |
| 23:43.37 | Amarande | wonder if you could solo BM by that point |
| 23:43.54 | foxlit | Black Morass? |
| 23:44.05 | foxlit | If you're 79, why not just sidestep the whole issue and go CoS. |
| 23:44.52 | Amarande | Right, I forgot about CoS. :) |
| 23:45.10 | Amarande | probably because I haven't really thought much about the Northrend instances except when I'm going or planning to go |
| 23:45.18 | Amarande | I'm 74, and my next instance is most likely going to be UK |
| 23:45.32 | foxlit | keep? |
| 23:45.43 | Amarande | yeah. |
| 23:45.44 | amro | Dashkal: they do have a 0.01% chance of being epic |
| 23:45.47 | Wobin | UK is 70 =) |
| 23:45.54 | Amarande | well, I did BT first, which got me to 73 |
| 23:45.58 | Amarande | I'm trying to not skip instances :) |
| 23:46.00 | Wobin | you could do Nexus probably |
| 23:46.07 | Amarande | Already did Nexus. |
| 23:46.08 | foxlit | Gah. |
| 23:46.10 | Wobin | well, hurry up then, Ama =) You're falling behind |
| 23:46.12 | Dashkal | amro: huh? |
| 23:46.16 | foxlit | Why oh why do people go BT->HF or HF->BT |
| 23:46.24 | Amarande | Wobin: I still need the other two UK quests first |
| 23:46.25 | Wobin | cause they want to? |
| 23:46.26 | amro | Dashkal: forum threads |
| 23:46.27 | foxlit | Those zones are mutually exclusive and intended to stall casuals. |
| 23:46.39 | Wobin | Amarande: Don't you just pick them up straight from the entrance? |
| 23:46.47 | Dashkal | foxlit: I did it because I entered northrend at 68. Did BT to 70 then moved to HF |
| 23:46.57 | Amarande | foxlit: this way, I will get all the zone questing achievements without having to go back and do grey quests at 80 |
| 23:47.12 | foxlit | Yeah, you just spend more time at it than if you came back at 80. |
| 23:47.16 | Dashkal | amro: heh, this is true, but one in ten thousand probably isn't worth the QQ and irrational bullshit those forums spew |
| 23:47.22 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:47.29 | Wobin | For myself, it's the journey to 80 that's fun |
| 23:47.34 | amro | foxlit: I did for similar reasons as dashkal, and because I like having a lead over any zone I enter |
| 23:47.38 | Amarande | also, I will end up so many levels ahead of the curve that I'll have a huge chunk of change towards my Dalaran ring and expensive achievements like mounts, due to all the quests left over at 80 |
| 23:47.39 | Wobin | Once I hit 80 it's not as entertaining |
| 23:47.50 | Dashkal | I mean these people are so convinced the world is ending they call the only people who can actually fix it liars when they claim they want to fix it... yet still give them money... |
| 23:47.55 | Amarande | I understand the Dalaran ring is pretty damned expensive, too. |
| 23:48.19 | amro | Dashkal: a sociologist could write a book on any given thread |
| 23:48.24 | Dashkal | agreed |
| 23:48.44 | foxlit | amro: I strongly believe in doing zones at the appropriate level, rather than outlevelling them on entry :) |
| 23:49.08 | Amarande | foxlit: depends on the zone, doesn't it? |
| 23:49.13 | Amarande | doing zones at the appropriate level frequently results in hair loss |
| 23:49.22 | foxlit | It really does not :) |
| 23:49.28 | Wobin | Amarande: unless you're a DK =P |
| 23:49.28 | foxlit | They're well designed, fun, and challenging. |
| 23:49.29 | Dashkal | foxlit: that's pretty difficult in northrend since you're going to outlevel the content just questing (if you go for full completion) |
| 23:49.30 | Amarande | foxlit: consider things like: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=6133 |
| 23:49.42 | amro | foxlit: I don't outlevel them by much. 1 level or 2 is enough for me. it's important for me because while grinding quests I engage mobs while at 10% hp/mana even and I don't like corpse runs from extra aggro |
| 23:49.47 | Amarande | I tried that at 60 on my aff lock, and it was HELL |
| 23:49.51 | foxlit | Dashkal: don't do both BT and HF and you'll be right on track |
| 23:49.58 | Amarande | I actually had to group for it, while I had meanwhile soloed several group quests |
| 23:50.06 | Wobin | as a DK I soloed the majority of the group quests |
| 23:50.13 | Dashkal | foxlit: For those purposes I didn't. I started HFj at 70. |
| 23:50.14 | foxlit | Amarande: I soloed that. Was trivial, too. |
| 23:50.18 | Amarande | foxlit: Class? |
| 23:50.28 | foxlit | DK, obviously :) |
| 23:50.30 | Amarande | It was trivial on my DK when I tried it with her, definitely ... pretty easy for my prot pally, too |
| 23:50.53 | Amarande | foxlit: well, yeah, because DKs are imba initially, by design |
| 23:50.55 | amro | foxlit: in any case I wanted to see HF and run UK |
| 23:51.07 | foxlit | You can always run it on heroic later :) |
| 23:51.10 | Amarande | as an aff lock, like I said, it was total and absolute hell, and I only did it because it was a prereq for other quests I wanted to do. |
| 23:51.18 | foxlit | Ah, come on. |
| 23:51.28 | foxlit | You get an f--ing pet. |
| 23:51.36 | foxlit | (or was it three dashes?) |
| 23:51.38 | Amarande | foxlit: the mobs have aggro radii the size of Bill Belichick's ego, and respawn like tribbles |
| 23:51.48 | amro | ^^ |
| 23:52.01 | amro | as a DK it wouldn't matter much |
| 23:52.07 | Amarande | and you're LUCKY if you don't get a 4 or 5 pull at some point |
| 23:52.18 | |pez| | So.. lvl 80 dungeons, does that mean Heroics? |
| 23:52.27 | foxlit | again, nothing your trusted voidwalker + unlimited dot spam potential can't handle :) |
| 23:52.28 | Amarande | after this, you have to take out the two protectors before you can loot the book. if one dies and the other resets, they both respawn |
| 23:52.41 | amro | foxlit: you're not making any sense |
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| 23:52.48 | Amarande | and the protectors really, really don't like spellcasters much |
| 23:53.31 | Amarande | foxlit: my main trouble was that I didn't have the DPS of a DK |
| 23:53.31 | foxlit | amro: I'm suggesting that it should be trivial to do on a warlock. |
| 23:53.34 | Amarande | therefore, I had trouble with pats getting to me too quickly, and there's a 3-pat and a 2-pat to watch out for there |
| 23:53.54 | amro | foxlit: yes, which it wouldn't be at any given time as you would run low on mana at one point, get extra aggro from some mob you didn't see, or afk at the wrong itme |
| 23:53.55 | Amarande | also, several of the mobs inside the main building with the book are ranged, and the voidwalker would keep dashing off to them, pulling more aggro |
| 23:53.58 | amro | and die very quickly |
| 23:54.11 | Amarande | and if you die -at all-, you have to start the whole thing over because they do respawn like Tribbles |
| 23:54.23 | alestane | foxlit: : pong. |
| 23:54.29 | amro | dying is the single biggest waste of time if you're trying tolevel quickly |
| 23:54.30 | Amarande | in addition to the fact that the protectors are specifically a duo, and one will respawn its buddy if you die. |
| 23:54.35 | foxlit | amro: life tap, voidwalker, toilet seat. |
| 23:55.09 | Amarande | plus the fact that the pats tend to become linkpats about 75% of the time if you aren't killing really PDQ |
| 23:55.16 | foxlit | alestane: There's no way to get write access to restricted environments outside of serializing data to code and running it? |
| 23:55.27 | Amarande | linkpats tend to be one of the number one ways to die in many areas |
| 23:55.36 | Amarande | even in 5-man instances, linkpats tend to cause wipes frequently |
| 23:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik: Baileys and milk again! |
| 23:55.58 | Amarande | I'm assuming you guys know what I mean by linkpats. :) |
| 23:55.59 | foxlit | I wonder why, mainly. You'd think that with some __newindex magic, it could be arranged :) |
| 23:56.15 | amro | foxlit: anyway I can't speak for warlocks, but as a mage I'd rather have lower aggro radii |
| 23:56.19 | alestane | foxlit: Part of the point of a restricted environment is restricting write access. Although I've proposed allowing :Execute() to take additional arguments. |
| 23:56.36 | foxlit | alestane: inside lockdown, I'd agree. |
| 23:57.02 | foxlit | But outside of it, I can do more or less anything I want to with it through :Execute(), so letting me do it without the loadstring overhead would be awesome :) |
| 23:57.07 | Amarande | Linkpat = Pat that's the same type of mob as all the static mobs in the area |
| 23:57.19 | alestane | I think direct write outside lockdown was considered "too complicated to be assuredly safe." |
| 23:57.29 | Amarande | Upshot: Pat aggros, and then the next set of static mobs aggros as well because they are in proximity aggro radius to the now-aggroed pat, and then you have about 8-10 mobs on you. |
| 23:57.40 | foxlit | __newindex and check that the key/value are of simple types? |
| 23:58.03 | Amarande | The only good thing about aggroing 8-10 mobs, if you are not a prot pally, is that it tends to not be a situation that lasts long. :) |
| 23:58.05 | alestane | We already do that, as well as checking that the calling code is secure. |
| 23:58.42 | foxlit | You probably already do that in some other context. You definitely don't do it in this one :) |
| 23:59.24 | Amarande | anyway, a DK I'd expect to have a supremely easy time on that quest, as you experienced. |
| 23:59.41 | Amarande | a prot pally as well, because prot pallies are masochists who THRIVE on being beaten by throngs of mobs |
| 23:59.53 | foxlit | "haha, you said thong!" |
