| 00:02.39 | WobWork | Kraps: I've had issues remembering since they removed the ability for that addon to cast it automatically on movement =P |
| 00:03.02 | Tekkub | Cork :P |
| 00:03.02 | Kraps | what addon? |
| 00:04.45 | WobWork | Tekkub: does cork -cast- it for me? |
| 00:05.01 | Tekkub | if you use the macro it'll make for you |
| 00:05.28 | WobWork | that still involves clicking something =) |
| 00:05.40 | WobWork | (then again, I haven't played my priest for a -very- long time) |
| 00:06.46 | Thunder_Child | ~qq Thunder_Child |
| 00:06.47 | purl | CRY MOAR Thunder_Child |
| 00:08.20 | Amarande | Wob: tough, CastSpellByName() isn't usable in addons directly :D |
| 00:09.31 | Kraps | i want spell pushback to die |
| 00:09.50 | alestane | Kraps: It was mortally wounded with 3.0. |
| 00:10.03 | Kraps | how so? |
| 00:10.33 | alestane | They cut pushback down significantly. Only the first two hits can affect your casting time. |
| 00:11.02 | alestane | You can't get locked down by a crowd of mobs who nibble you to death so often you can't finish your spell. |
| 00:11.23 | Kraps | hmm |
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| 00:13.02 | Kraps | its pointless thought, whether you're on the giving or receiving end |
| 00:14.28 | WobWork | That's what -she- said! |
| 00:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | spell pushback was (maybe not anymore) one of the few ways to actually have a chance to interrupt fast spells |
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| 00:16.31 | Kraps | anyone want to run SM? |
| 00:18.23 | Amarande | Night: as a warlock, I am eminently thankful that it isn't easy to interrupt fast spells |
| 00:18.41 | Amarande | It helps with some of the PvP issues that 70 arenas suffered, I'm sure |
| 00:18.42 | cbreak | curse of tongues helps. |
| 00:18.48 | Kraps | Kraps' Law of the Monastery: as the length of your time waiting be the stone increases, your chance of getting ganked approaches 1 |
| 00:18.57 | Amarande | though I don't know how arena is doing at 80 yet, since it's only been out for a couple of days |
| 00:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure rogues, warriors, shaman, and anyone who relies on interrupting thinks you're a raving moron, and they're probably right. |
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| 00:20.28 | Amarande | Night: ehh, I guess it depends on the PvP area |
| 00:20.46 | Amarande | I guess we've gone from "we can't get fear off even against a triple digits rated rogue" to "we can get fear off against your typical not very experienced pvp rogue" |
| 00:20.54 | WobWork | hm |
| 00:21.04 | WobWork | I wonder if I should glyph for the stun Deathgrip |
| 00:21.15 | WobWork | not for pvp, but to have a stun |
| 00:21.17 | Amarande | At 70, though, warlocks were meat. |
| 00:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i htink that's being changed in the patch |
| 00:22.20 | WobWork | DKs need a minor glyph that shades all armour towards the darker pallette |
| 00:22.29 | WobWork | so it looks like the newbie gear =) |
| 00:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: i haven't verified on ptr, but on mmo-champ, it says glyph of death grip is changed to refresh the CD on DG when you get a Killing blow |
| 00:22.39 | Amarande | At 70, the life of a warlock in PvP consisted of encountering rogue. death coiling rogue. watching rogue get out of the fear like it was a minor nuisance. attempting to get rogue off of you with fear, and 100% of the time being Kicked out of it resulting in not being able to fight at all for the last few short seconds of life. |
| 00:22.45 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: oh that's right |
| 00:22.50 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: Farmalicious |
| 00:22.55 | NightHawkTheSane | which, frankly, make itt an awesome glyph |
| 00:23.02 | Amarande | If the rogue for some reason didn't have Kick ready or was too slow-reflexed to use it, the pushback would let them time to. |
| 00:23.14 | WobWork | oh look, an invitation to the google app engine =) |
| 00:23.32 | Amarande | If we somehow DID get fear off, then a friendly healer in the rogue's group would dispel it. |
| 00:23.54 | Amarande | As opposed to if WE got stunned/otherwise disabled by the rogue, in which case we had ONE free pass (trinket) and then since the rogue's disablings are all Red debuffs, that was that. |
| 00:24.46 | Amarande | Nothing our healers could do to help us, unless they were somehow miraculously OP and the rogue crappy enough that they could heal through the burst damage of a rogue. |
| 00:25.22 | Amarande | Oh, and we took the full 100% of physical damage from meleers, too, since armor ignorance was handed out like candy from the ZA patch onwards. |
| 00:25.58 | Amarande | Actually, we still do that, but from what I'm seeing of Northrend gear, warlocks don't really get enough armor anymore for it to really be noticeable LOL |
| 00:26.53 | Amarande | Not to mention Resilience Rating seems to mash Warlocks worse than any other class. |
| 00:29.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, I agree, <your class> is definitely the short end of the stick, and i can't believe blizzard would let <your class> suck for so long. you should cancel your account in protest. |
| 00:30.43 | Amarande | Night: at 70, it was -definitely- considered the case that locks were too weak for arenas after 2.3 and 2.4 in particular |
| 00:30.46 | Amarande | particularly in 5v5 |
| 00:30.50 | Corr-work | <class A> has it hard, not like the OP <class B>. |
| 00:31.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: totally. |
| 00:31.08 | Amarande | it was a well established fact that 5v5's with a lock on one team tended to result in that team losing |
| 00:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | <class b> can fucking suck it. |
| 00:31.24 | Amarande | simple fact: locks are cloth, and have essentially nothing in the way of escape, only more HP than most clothies usually have |
| 00:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | bah |
| 00:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | quit your whining |
| 00:31.52 | Amarande | therefore, what would happen would be the entire DPS wing of the other team would zerg the lock, and win out of hand, due to one of two things happening |
| 00:32.08 | Amarande | a) healer wouldn't be able to keep the lock up against constant bashing without ability to escape, or |
| 00:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | you have three choicse: stop playing. reroll. accept it. all three come with the implicit decision to: quit your damn bitching |
| 00:32.17 | Amarande | b) healer would be able to, but would go OOM in the process making the whole team easy pickins |
| 00:32.18 | NightHawkTheSane | no one fucking cares :p |
| 00:32.33 | Corr-work | in the meantime, your own team's DPS is sitting there doing nothing, amirite |
| 00:32.54 | Amarande | Corr: it seemed to be the observed case that unless the other team also had a warlock, there wasn't much to do |
| 00:33.07 | Amarande | your warlock was simply too vulnerable compared to any other class that you could counter attack against |
| 00:33.41 | WobWork | Arenas should be shuffled off to their own server |
| 00:33.45 | WobWork | with their own rules and spells |
| 00:33.48 | Kraps | little known fact #42: GMs gain experiance points from player feedback! lmao |
| 00:33.55 | WobWork | They could call it "World of Arenacraft" |
| 00:34.32 | Kraps | seems 1 or more of my addons are the problem |
| 00:34.52 | Kraps | QH? |
| 00:35.13 | Dashkal | "One or more of your addons" == "I have no idea" |
| 00:35.29 | Dashkal | I've been given that line when playing with a completely vanilla UI |
| 00:35.32 | Kraps | thats not what he said :) |
| 00:35.52 | Kraps | disabling them worked |
| 00:36.01 | Amarande | Corr: it also seemed mostly a problem in 5v5 |
| 00:36.07 | Amarande | 3v3 and 2v2 were usually far more lock friendly |
| 00:36.25 | Kraps | now i need to check which one :( |
| 00:36.35 | Amarande | the issue with 5v5 was simply that almost no healers could really keep a clothie up against a coordinated assist train |
| 00:36.45 | Kraps | [07:35:34]<Dashkal>I've been given that line when playing with a completely vanilla UI |
| 00:37.00 | Kraps | that would be comple fail though |
| 00:37.02 | Corr-work | ah well, i never paid much attention to pvp. it wasn't just "not fun" for me. it was more "depressing". |
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| 00:37.08 | Kraps | *complete |
| 00:37.10 | Amarande | and since locks have no real escapes, nor can the debuffs used on them by the assist train usually be dispelled in any way (since they would be melee Red debuffs), that was the only thing you could try to do |
| 00:37.28 | Dashkal | Yeah. That was the point at which I ceased reporting issues to GMs. They exist just to spank roof gankers as far as I'm concerned. |
| 00:37.32 | Corr-work | the weekly "10 games" could nearly ruin my day... |
| 00:38.20 | Amarande | not to mention locks were aching when it came to dishing out in arenas too |
| 00:38.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Random question: if you make a 2v2 arena team and lose 10 games, how many points would you get the first week? >.> |
| 00:38.30 | Amarande | particularly when they started making more and more aff stuff affected by resilience rating |
| 00:39.04 | Amarande | As far as I'm aware, non-DoT's are only affected by resilience when they are crits, right? |
| 00:39.25 | Amarande | DoT's, on the other hand, are nerfed by resil all the time |
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| 00:39.29 | cbreak | no |
| 00:39.35 | Amarande | not to mention being just as dispellable as any other debuff that a warlock can use. |
| 00:39.36 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: that would depend on the ratings of the teams that beat you |
| 00:39.40 | cbreak | all attacks are affected by resilience |
| 00:39.48 | cbreak | it lowers the chance those attacks are crits |
| 00:39.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: got a ballpark guess? >.> |
| 00:40.05 | Amarande | cbreak: however, the damage of a non-critical hit is entirely unaffected by resilience, correct? |
| 00:40.05 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: sorry no. Last time I did that was a long time ago |
| 00:40.14 | cbreak | depends |
| 00:40.18 | cbreak | it could be halfed |
| 00:40.19 | Dashkal | Even then, my worst week was 2/10 |
| 00:40.24 | cbreak | if it would have crit |
| 00:40.29 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh. i just need 175 points |
| 00:40.30 | Amarande | cbreak: assuming it wasn't going to crit |
| 00:40.35 | cbreak | then it's the same |
| 00:40.43 | cbreak | resilience lowers chance to be crit |
| 00:40.46 | cbreak | damage of crits |
| 00:40.50 | cbreak | and damage of dots |
| 00:42.05 | Amarande | cbreak: the point is that dots are -always- affected by resil, whereas burst damage is affected by it, at most, your crit rate % of the time |
| 00:42.34 | Dashkal | Amarande: that works out the same over any sufficiently large sample... |
| 00:43.00 | Dashkal | which of course was the point... |
| 00:43.01 | Amarande | Dash: it means the more a class relies on DoT's, the more they suck at PvP, over a sufficiently large sample |
| 00:43.17 | cbreak | Amarande: burst damage are crit |
| 00:43.23 | cbreak | non crits are not burst :/ |
| 00:43.27 | cbreak | (at least not for me) |
| 00:43.29 | sylvanaar | but when you consider direct damage you use the weighted average of average hit and average crit |
| 00:43.34 | Dashkal | I beg to differ. DoTs are consistently affected. Crits (in small samples) are _inconsistently_ affected. |
| 00:43.36 | Amarande | cbreak: by 'burst' I mean 'anything that does its damage all at once rather than over time' |
| 00:43.45 | Dashkal | You could have a lucky run, then a really crappy one |
| 00:43.55 | cbreak | my frost bolts do damage over time. |
| 00:43.59 | cbreak | but I have to cast for each tick |
| 00:44.18 | Amarande | Which in warlock PvP's case is simple: warlocks not only are easier to kill than almost any other class, but they also have more trouble dishing it out against a properly geared PvP opponent than almost any other class |
| 00:44.28 | sylvanaar | classes that rely on crits are disproportionately affected |
| 00:44.38 | Dashkal | Way to simply ignore every counter-argument made and make your 'conclusion' anyway... |
| 00:44.45 | Amarande | because either you're aff (and get your damage half-assed via resil on dots) |
| 00:44.54 | Amarande | or you're destro or demo (but then you needed the crits ...) |
| 00:44.58 | foxlit | "The class I'm playing is easier to kill then any class I'm not playing." |
| 00:45.06 | foxlit | I wonder what the problem is! :) |
| 00:45.30 | Amarande | what was the point of making resil affect DoT's in the first place, anyway? |
| 00:45.39 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure that was patched in later, rather than being one of the original effects |
| 00:45.45 | sylvanaar | you're nuts if you think a class which relies on crits for dps is less affected by resil |
| 00:45.58 | sylvanaar | than one who doesnt |
| 00:46.05 | sylvanaar | total insanity |
| 00:46.14 | Amarande | sylvanaar: if there's one misassumption I'm making here |
| 00:46.21 | cbreak | it's almost impossible to dish out damage as mage |
| 00:46.24 | cbreak | warlocks have it easy |
| 00:46.30 | cbreak | they can just run around pillars and dot |
| 00:46.38 | Amarande | it's that demo and destro locks depend more on crit than other non-DoT DPS in PvP |
| 00:46.41 | cbreak | I can't do that. I run around pillars and stop to cast a frostbolt |
| 00:46.48 | cbreak | and then the healer runs oo los |
| 00:46.52 | cbreak | and my frost bolt aborts |
| 00:46.57 | cbreak | I run some more, maybe blink |
| 00:47.02 | cbreak | try again. same result |
| 00:47.10 | cbreak | warlocks have it easy in pvp |
| 00:47.24 | Dashkal | Amarande: DoTs were added to resil because aff warlocks were effectively bypassing the primary PvP defense. They were very overpowered at the time |
| 00:47.24 | Amarande | and yeah, the fact that you're going after the healer means that things are properly balanced |
| 00:48.07 | Amarande | the problem in 5's at 70 was that you didn't have to go after the healer, you could go after an escapeless cloth DPS instead, and then win a 5v4 |
| 00:48.09 | sylvanaar | healers still go? |
| 00:48.27 | Amarande | Dash: and then warlocks were nerfed into oblivion though |
| 00:48.36 | Amarande | because of the aforementioned factors, plus the concomitant necessary fact |
| 00:48.47 | Amarande | which was that warlocks basically HAD to be SL/SL in arenas to have any chance at all to survive |
| 00:48.51 | Amarande | which meant: yeah, lots of reliance on aff. |
| 00:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | No, because they require resilience to survive, which they can't get without a lot of PvP, which they can't do because they die so much without resilience.... |
| 00:49.04 | sylvanaar | lol, yeah, i know |
| 00:49.19 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: No argument there. Fortunately the resil floor is higher now. Crafted blues and whatnot |
| 00:49.27 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: not to mention, at the later stages at 70 |
| 00:49.40 | Amarande | make "die so much without resilience" "not be able to get an arena group at all without enough resilience" |
| 00:49.56 | Amarande | or at least, an arena group with the skill needed to get the rating needed to get arena gear |
| 00:50.18 | Duman | oh snap |
| 00:50.24 | Duman | if you've been hoarding Fire Seeds |
| 00:50.26 | Duman | unload them now |
| 00:50.26 | cbreak | yes, mages had it hard in arenas |
| 00:50.27 | Kraps | anyone know an upgrade for http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28042? |
| 00:50.36 | Dashkal | Amarande: honor gear is sufficient to get started in the arena. Groups that refuse to take someone in honor gear are simply being conservative |
| 00:50.37 | Amarande | Duman: did they nerf the DK trick with those? |
| 00:50.42 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13723722348&sid=1 |
| 00:50.44 | cbreak | if it's better at 80, I might try again. |
| 00:50.47 | foxlit | Kraps: there's a drop from Loken. |
| 00:51.04 | Kraps | i have that too |
| 00:51.06 | WobWork | Amarande: What was the trick? |
| 00:51.48 | Amarande | Wob: combine them with AMS to gain runic power faster |
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| 00:52.33 | Amarande | I think warriors were experimenting with them too to see if it would cause Spell Reflect to deal more damage |
| 00:52.50 | Amarande | but basically, yeah, people were finding ways to get around the drawback and use it as an additional bonus |
| 00:53.02 | Amarande | so they became OP |
| 00:53.07 | Amarande | and now they will be little red painted pieces of foam |
| 00:53.25 | cbreak | poisonous foam? |
| 00:54.12 | Amarande | cbreak: I don't know, is Nerf toxic if ingested? LOL |
| 00:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | Only in quantity. |
| 00:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN guys! |
| 00:54.38 | cbreak | maybe if it's from china. |
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| 00:55.31 | Amarande | so, are fire seeds also going to stop dropping from herb nodes then, too? |
| 00:55.44 | Amarande | I don't have a high enough herbalist to copy to PTR to check |
| 00:55.53 | Amarande | omg. that sounded wrong ... 'high enough herbalist' |
| 00:56.55 | cbreak | not as wrong as the stereoid guzzling "alchemists"... |
| 00:57.46 | Amarande | cbreak: those are usually herbalists too :D |
| 00:57.56 | Amarande | you'd be a fool to take alchemy without herbalism now |
| 00:58.16 | Amarande | heh, some folks say you'd be a fool to take alchemy now, in general |
| 00:58.20 | cbreak | I am a herbalist without alchemy. so don't put me into the same basket as those stereoid abusers :) |
| 00:58.27 | Amarande | since potions got nerfed so badly |
| 01:02.40 | NightHawkTheSane | the way you talk about everything being nerfed so badly, you must be a masochist or a moron to keep playing |
| 01:03.17 | Amarande | Night: I think we actually had a serious discussion a while ago about whether alchemy was really still viable as a 'for me' rather than a 'I buy services from another person' profession |
| 01:03.31 | Amarande | stemming mainly from the new one potion per battle rule |
| 01:03.45 | Amarande | also speculation on whether flasks will eventually be eliminated from the game, as was done with several other temporary buff items |
| 01:03.56 | NightHawkTheSane | which was basically you being idiotic and reactionary |
| 01:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | god i fucking hate pvpers |
| 01:06.45 | Amarande | Night: did your favorite class just get nerfed in 3.0.8 because of arena? |
| 01:07.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 01:07.51 | NightHawkTheSane | could you maybe whine more? |
| 01:08.54 | Amarande | I was asking why you hate pvpers :P |
| 01:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | because "do an absurd amount of pvp while having a buff that prevents you from doing anything useful" achievements are moronic |
| 01:12.36 | Amarande | Night: you talking about the winter veil one? |
| 01:13.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yes ><' |
| 01:14.29 | Amarande | yeah, that one seems to not be very popular |
| 01:14.45 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure i've spent more time with the deserter debuff than actually pvping |
| 01:14.58 | foxlit | so quit doing /afk |
| 01:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | and sit through a 30 minute av wankfest? |
| 01:15.12 | Amarande | fox: the point is that when you die in your winter gnome costume, you lose the winter gnome costume, since it's a buff |
| 01:15.22 | foxlit | I'm familiar with it |
| 01:15.27 | Amarande | and BGs can take for-freaking-ever |
| 01:15.35 | foxlit | Pick one that doesn't. |
| 01:15.54 | NightHawkTheSane | it's generally fastest to afk out before you die |
| 01:16.16 | Amarande | I'm trying to figure out which wondervolt is closest to its city's battlemasters |
| 01:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | dalaran |
| 01:16.45 | Amarande | ah, I keep forgetting about Dalaran |
| 01:16.52 | Amarande | probably because I've never been there, and might not for a while |
| 01:16.58 | Amarande | which zone is the quest chain to get in from? |
| 01:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | any of them. it's not a chain |
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| 01:18.01 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: you're betting on not winning or losing with 15 minutes of your first death? |
| 01:18.12 | foxlit | s/with/within/ |
| 01:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: when my first death is within 3-5 minutes of the bg, yeah. i'm going to bet on that. |
| 01:18.51 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: if i die near the very end of one, sure i might stick around, but when my best defense is casting nature's grasp and running my piggy little gnome legs off.. i die real quick |
| 01:19.13 | foxlit | So what are you, a kitten in crappy gear? |
| 01:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | a feral druid stuck in caster form |
| 01:19.51 | foxlit | Well, yeah, okay, you're not helping yourself. |
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| 01:20.17 | hipjipp | night people! having a good time? |
| 01:20.34 | WobWork | It's night? |
| 01:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, its slightly less fun than stabbing myself in the eye with a shard of glass |
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| 01:20.48 | hipjipp | it's 02.20.45 here =) |
| 01:20.54 | foxlit | Of course, you're also approaching it from the wrong angle. |
| 01:20.54 | hipjipp | (24h clock) |
| 01:20.58 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: but i don't have any moonkin/treekin gear, so i'm basically fucked either way |
| 01:21.27 | WobWork | hehe |
| 01:21.27 | WobWork | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZathGA--rzoWHh5uRoNw25Fjs5QD954LTRO0 |
| 01:21.28 | foxlit | You should do that achievement in the course of your PvP over the two-week period, rather than trying to get it done for the achievement's sake :) |
| 01:21.35 | WobWork | ANKENY, Iowa (AP) â Slush has never smelled so spicy. City crews in the Des Moines suburb of Ankeny are using garlic salt to melt snow and ice on streets from Tuesday's storm |
| 01:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i don't pvp |
| 01:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: the only time i -ever- pvp is specifically for an achievement |
| 01:22.01 | Amarande | Night: in other words, it's a little bit more fun than http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=6133 as an aff lock around the level |
| 01:22.03 | foxlit | That is also a problem. |
| 01:22.07 | foxlit | Consider not getting the achievement. |
| 01:22.17 | NightHawkTheSane | not an option |
| 01:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | considering i want the meta |
| 01:22.20 | Amarande | I still remember that as one of my most irritating quests ever when I was leveling, heh |
| 01:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: this would honestly bother me a -lot- less if i wasn't stuck being useless |
| 01:23.38 | hipjipp | can't get my head around this... http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104556 (yes, it's my own code, still need help :P) Why wont it change the position of the Chatframe? it did before and i didn't change anything in the lower highlighted function.. <.< |
| 01:24.26 | foxlit | Well, you're obviously not enjoying the game. Have you considered quitting? |
| 01:24.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, actually |
| 01:24.40 | WobWork | Thank you clippy =) |
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| 01:25.49 | cbreak | is it really a good idea to play around with the world frame? |
| 01:26.08 | Amarande | Night: I take it that basically all feral druids find that achievement epicfail? |
| 01:26.18 | Amarande | (I'm assuming the problem is that you can't go cat and keep the gnome buff ...) |
| 01:26.31 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i haven't talked to other feral druids. i'd assume so, but i don't speak for others |
| 01:26.45 | cbreak | also, you set the chat frame as locked. maybe you should unlock it before moving it |
| 01:26.47 | Amarande | I wonder if warlocks' demon form is affected that way, too |
| 01:26.50 | cbreak | not sure. |
| 01:26.53 | NightHawkTheSane | technically it applies to any shapeshift |
| 01:26.59 | Amarande | of course, as a warlock, you'd be a total and complete fool to go demon form in PvP |
| 01:27.06 | Amarande | at least in battlegrounds, anyway |
| 01:27.10 | NightHawkTheSane | so moonkin, tree form, probably demon form, or anything that changes your model would break it |
| 01:27.28 | hipjipp | anyone mind helping me? |
| 01:27.38 | hipjipp | cbreak: why do you ask? =) |
| 01:27.43 | Amarande | from what I understand, using demon form in a battleground is a good way to end up another warlock's pet :) |
| 01:27.51 | cbreak | hipjipp: you asked first.:) |
| 01:28.13 | cbreak | world frame belongs to blizard. I personally stay away from all blizard stuff. |
| 01:28.19 | foxlit | Hm, I haven't started on defense once in SotA |
| 01:28.24 | cbreak | unless absolutely and positively needed |
| 01:28.28 | hipjipp | cbreak: ah, and yeah... if you want a viewport you kinda have to move it.. and i made it taint-free |
| 01:28.53 | Amarande | I haven't tried SotA at all yet |
| 01:29.01 | Amarande | how is it? |
| 01:29.04 | cbreak | without a viewport, you won't see anything of the game. :) |
| 01:29.06 | Amarande | and how does it compare to the other BGs? |
| 01:29.30 | cbreak | Amarande: I like it |
| 01:29.30 | mikma | kaelten: [03:27:57] Interface\AddOns\OneBank3\OneBank3.lua:261: attempt to index field 'buttons' (a nil value) :(((( |
| 01:29.39 | cbreak | you play two rounds, first is alliance attackers, then alliance defenders |
| 01:29.57 | hipjipp | cbreak: you just move the bottom of the worldframe up a bit so you still see as much of the game-world, and not disturbing anything that is outside it =) |
| 01:30.18 | cbreak | attackers get siege vehicles and have to bash down doors, defenders get stationary weapons and have to stop them |
| 01:30.42 | cbreak | after some time or if alliance invades successfully, horde gets to try it, with the time remaining it took alliance to do it. |
| 01:31.28 | cbreak | hipjipp: anyway, you lock the chat frame. tried to unlock it before trying to move it? |
| 01:32.33 | hipjipp | cbreak: read the highlighted part again, slowly.. i clear everything connected to it (even debug-unlocked it at the top), move it and then i lock it.. but it wont work anymore.. ;__; |
| 01:32.53 | cbreak | you don't unlock it. |
| 01:33.20 | cbreak | just read the function again. |
| 01:33.38 | hipjipp | cbreak: line 10; FCF_SetLocked(cf, nil) |
| 01:33.46 | cbreak | I know |
| 01:33.52 | cbreak | but that's not when your method gets executed |
| 01:33.58 | cbreak | it's when your addon gets loaded |
| 01:34.14 | Amarande | cbreak: hmm, reminds me a bit of Fort Aspenwood, then. in a slight way, anyway |
| 01:34.55 | hipjipp | cbreak: i'll give it a shot, but i tried to not doing that to avoid useless cpu-hogging... :P |
| 01:35.17 | cbreak | you use OnUpdate |
| 01:35.22 | cbreak | that's as much cpu hogging as it gets |
| 01:35.30 | cbreak | you want to move the chat frame every single frame :/ |
| 01:36.05 | cbreak | (btw, did you notice that movingframe.Update is nil when you pass it to SetScript?) |
| 01:36.14 | hipjipp | cbreak: when moving line 10 into the function, my memory hogging rises from 0.0kb to 9.0kb, and nothing improved |
| 01:36.20 | hipjipp | how so? |
| 01:36.28 | cbreak | well, because no one set it |
| 01:36.30 | Amarande | wow, nine whole K |
| 01:36.42 | Amarande | sadly, I remember the days when that actually was a lot of memory :) |
| 01:37.08 | hipjipp | thanks <3 |
| 01:37.33 | Amarande | and then the days when it was sometimes what separated you from being able to run your DOS game, and not being able to run it because the driver you needed was too large for the UMB space remaining, and thus got loaded into conventional leaving the game without enough. :) |
| 01:37.45 | cbreak | anyway, OnUpdate is _evil_ for cpu usage |
| 01:37.48 | Amarande | ah, the days when people had to run "Cute Mouse" to be able to play some games LOL |
| 01:38.23 | hipjipp | been having problems seeing code-sequence the whole day.. <.< first i couldn't get my program to work (own c++ creation) because i had the same problem.. using an existing function, but passed on the wrong place.. |
| 01:38.29 | Amarande | Ultima VII comes to mind, in particular. |
| 01:38.46 | cbreak | the joy of virtual memory :) |
| 01:38.52 | hipjipp | cbreak: got a better solution than OnUpdate? :P |
| 01:38.55 | WobWork | HI@UHIMEM |
| 01:38.59 | cbreak | yes. |
| 01:39.00 | WobWork | HI2UHIMEM |
| 01:39.02 | Amarande | cbreak: Ultima VII was probably the single most evil game in terms of memory management ever |
| 01:39.05 | cbreak | not using OnUpdate :) |
| 01:39.20 | WobWork | I remember the hoops I had to jump through to get it running =) |
| 01:39.25 | Amarande | mainly, because it used this dumb assed memory management system that WAS NOT compatible with EMM386 |
| 01:39.26 | cbreak | or do you _really_ want to set the frame position EVERY SINGLE time? |
| 01:39.31 | Amarande | and it also needed almost 600K of conventional to start, too |
| 01:39.56 | Amarande | needing 600K of conventional + no chance to use UMBs -at all- + need for mouse and soundcard support = aaargghh. |
| 01:40.06 | cbreak | 640k ought to be enough for anybody... |
| 01:41.01 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if anything other than the Ultima VII games ever used that steaming pile of fail that was the Voodoo Memory Manager |
| 01:41.08 | hipjipp | cbreak: no, not really.. :P but i can't think of a better way atm, feel free to help.... (02.40 +0100 CET 24h clock) |
| 01:41.23 | cbreak | same timezone here... |
| 01:41.35 | cbreak | if you only want to call the function once, call it once |
| 01:42.15 | cbreak | if you want to get fancy, use an event handler, for example for ADDON_LOADED or similar |
| 01:42.23 | cbreak | or just call it. |
| 01:42.58 | cbreak | (although I am not sure if framexml is loaded when addons are. it probably is...) |
| 01:44.11 | hipjipp | i could use the OnUpdate-handler with a timer set on an hour or so... but i'd rather not.. :P |
| 01:44.26 | cbreak | no, they dont have timers |
| 01:44.33 | cbreak | OnUpdate is called once every frame |
| 01:44.34 | cbreak | that's it |
| 01:44.43 | hipjipp | you create a timer |
| 01:44.52 | hipjipp | using the elapsed function in OnUpdate |
| 01:44.52 | cbreak | you can't create a timer. |
| 01:45.03 | cbreak | all you can do is check for it inside your function |
| 01:45.08 | cbreak | it's still called every frame. |
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| 01:45.20 | hipjipp | true... |
| 01:45.32 | cbreak | either way. why do you want to use OnUpdate? |
| 01:45.40 | cbreak | what benefit do you get over just calling it? |
| 01:46.24 | hipjipp | don't know really.. :P just familiar with it and it didn't do any harm to anything related to WoW so.. :P |
| 01:46.42 | hipjipp | (i know you hate me right now for saying that) |
| 01:47.06 | cbreak | it's a big waste of cpu time |
| 01:48.08 | hipjipp | i rewrote the function and just called it, now it won't work like it's supposed to again.. =/ |
| 01:49.12 | cbreak | can you call it from in-game? |
| 01:49.30 | cbreak | (you'd have to make it global) |
| 01:50.16 | hipjipp | not really good with scripts or run-commands, so feel free to guide me.. =) |
| 01:50.26 | cbreak | make the method global |
| 01:50.37 | cbreak | and do /script whateveryournameis() |
| 01:51.03 | hipjipp | yes i can |
| 01:51.13 | cbreak | does it work? |
| 01:51.21 | hipjipp | it did what it was supposed to do when i called it from in-game |
| 01:51.33 | cbreak | then just execute the function later |
| 01:52.30 | cbreak | register ADDON_LOADED, PLAYER_LOGIN or what ever |
| 01:52.34 | hipjipp | functions that can be executed whenever get in the bottom of the file, witch it was while i tested it so i would be sure that it's been created before i call it |
| 01:52.35 | cbreak | and execute it there |
| 01:53.12 | cbreak | you can unregister it afterwards |
| 01:54.34 | Esamynn | 375+ enchanting costs really confuse the hell out of me |
| 01:54.36 | Esamynn | compare http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44513 to http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60668 |
| 01:54.38 | Esamynn | or compare http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33993 to http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44612 |
| 01:54.40 | Esamynn | like, what the hell? |
| 01:56.52 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44612 doesn't exist |
| 01:57.03 | Amarande | at least, not in any form that is actually usable by players |
| 01:57.16 | Amarande | maybe it was taken out precisely because the mats requirement sucked |
| 01:57.27 | Amarande | s/sucked/wasn't balanced properly/ |
| 01:57.48 | Esamynn | that was just one of MANY examples |
| 01:58.11 | Amarande | and yeah, the first one seems kinda dumb |
| 01:58.26 | Amarande | although, it's like the difference between a blue grade gem and an epic gem |
| 01:58.38 | Amarande | it seems like the kind of thing that's barely going to be noticed unless you really stack the better ones |
| 01:58.52 | Amarande | speaking of which, what patch do you think we get epic gems in? |
| 01:59.38 | Esamynn | I dunno, even if it's supposed to be the same as the diff between blue and epic gems, it still seems... out of proportion |
| 01:59.46 | Olorin | wait till ya see the daily JC recepies. 3 dailys per recepie grrrr |
| 02:00.14 | Amarande | Esamynn: not really, how much more did a BC epic gem usually cost vs. its blue version? |
| 02:00.22 | Esamynn | and shouldn't the "epic" version take Abyss Crystals? |
| 02:00.46 | Esamynn | Olorin: I know about that, at least you don't have to grind past 420 for those |
| 02:00.49 | Amarande | maybe they're trying to make enchants more accessible to the casual player |
| 02:01.09 | Esamynn | enchanters have to grind to F'ing 440 on enchants that cost an arm and a leg |
| 02:01.35 | Esamynn | I just costed out 430 to 440, market price for the mats would cost me 3k to 4k gold |
| 02:01.57 | Esamynn | JC is a cakewalk in comparison |
| 02:02.32 | Amarande | Esamynn: not to mention I've seen some enchant patterns that aren't even all that super awesome, but still have been known to go for up to 7000g |
| 02:02.33 | Olorin | ya pretty much, my chanter stuck at about 327 and jc got to 400 lot easier |
| 02:02.34 | Esamynn | Amarande: I'm not sure, what was the diff between epic and blue gems in TBc, I didn't look |
| 02:02.38 | Amarande | +20 fire resistance to cloak, I think it was |
| 02:03.09 | Esamynn | cost wise, I mean |
| 02:03.29 | Amarande | epic gems went for 200g+ even after 2.4 |
| 02:03.45 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure the blues didn't usually go for more than 50 or so most of the time |
| 02:03.58 | Esamynn | so 4x? |
| 02:04.03 | Amarande | about that, I'd say |
| 02:04.34 | Amarande | and for instance, a Solid Empyrean Sapphire only gave 3 more stamina than a Solid Star of Elune |
| 02:04.43 | Esamynn | I'd say the avg diff here is like 5 or 6 times, at least |
| 02:06.08 | Amarande | and the other thing about JC is it seems one can usually get enough mats just by mining every mineable node as one goes |
| 02:06.27 | Amarande | BC, I don't think I really had to buy gems 300-365 |
| 02:06.44 | Amarande | 365-375 yeah, because I had to cut meta gems and don't have a high level alchemist alt |
| 02:06.52 | Olorin | especially since prospecting give 2 gems quite often from northrend nodes |
| 02:07.05 | Amarande | The worst speed bump in JC is probably 290-300. |
| 02:07.41 | Amarande | This is because except for stuff requiring insanely annoying huge amounts of mats, you basically have to have Huge Emeralds, and ONLY Huge Emeralds |
| 02:07.49 | Olorin | doesnt *appear* to be quite so faction dependant either |
| 02:08.01 | Amarande | well, if you want to stick to intelligent grinding, too, and not be trying to grind off green recipes with expensive mats |
| 02:08.21 | Esamynn | that's one place where Enchanters have it better than JCs in LK, the sources of patterns |
| 02:08.29 | Amarande | the problem with huge emeralds is that getting enough can take a while even if you have Burning Steppes to yourself, and on many servers, they're not available on AH at any price |
| 02:09.07 | Esamynn | Enchanters have to come up with about 200 shards, and then go farm 3 forumlas |
| 02:09.18 | Esamynn | JCs have to grind rep with how many factions? 4? |
| 02:09.53 | Amarande | at least dream shards aren't too hard to come by |
| 02:10.02 | Amarande | unlike, say, large brilliant shards, which are also on many servers a PITA |
| 02:10.06 | Olorin | dust? |
| 02:11.14 | Esamynn | it's just... wierd though |
| 02:12.03 | Esamynn | JC has patterns galore, all over the damn place, Enchanters have to blow though vast quantities of materials to skill up, Inscription... will it just drops dead at 400 |
| 02:12.12 | Esamynn | s/will/well/ |
| 02:12.27 | Olorin | sad part is that unless you actually get to max level people at least on my server are paying people to do their enchants eif they get a skillup .... no real money to be made at all |
| 02:13.30 | Tem|afk | Enchanting is the most lucrative profession of them all |
| 02:13.33 | Esamynn | I manage to move some enchants via the AH, but the prices are VERY wonky there |
| 02:13.34 | Olorin | hmm meant the enchanter is paying the person wanting it |
| 02:13.37 | Tem|afk | if you can't make money through it, you're doing it wrong |
| 02:14.21 | Esamynn | Tem|afk: do you mean by hawking enchants, or buying greens and selling the mats? |
| 02:14.31 | Tem|afk | DE |
| 02:14.42 | Esamynn | I'm making a killing of the latter, but it's still nutso |
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| 02:15.49 | Tem|afk | I'm told that selling vellums is hella good |
| 02:15.55 | Tem|afk | but iff you have the good enchants |
| 02:16.40 | Amarande | Esamynn: am I correct then in thinking that Inscriptionists should pretty much stop at 425, to be ready for the next expansion, and then not really bother to level it more? |
| 02:16.56 | Esamynn | Amarande: once I hit 400, I stopped caring |
| 02:16.58 | Amarande | (I'm presuming that the next tier of professions will require 425) |
| 02:17.01 | Tem|afk | scribe, btw |
| 02:17.19 | Esamynn | you'll hit 430 before Northrend research goes yellow |
| 02:18.05 | Esamynn | but the fact that there is pretty much nothing beyond 400, and absolutely nothing beyond 425 is just... wrong |
| 02:18.40 | Olorin | and no specialisation recepies either... yet |
| 02:22.12 | ZorbaTHut | a lot of professions stop before 450 right now |
| 02:22.16 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect they're leaving room for future expansion |
| 02:22.31 | ZorbaTHut | blacksmithing can make titansteel equipment at 440, for example |
| 02:23.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. ground beef has been in my freezer since may. chances it's still good? |
| 02:24.21 | Amarande | Night: it'll probably make burgers dryer than the Pyramids, but yeah, if it's been frozen, most likely yes |
| 02:24.55 | Olorin | just make sure its not grey in patches, if been sealed its probably ok |
| 02:25.24 | Amarande | if it seems off looking, make hamburger helper with it instead :) |
| 02:25.41 | NightHawkTheSane | thats actually what i was doing with it in the first place |
| 02:25.50 | Amarande | yeah, if you're making HH, you should definitely be ok |
| 02:25.51 | NightHawkTheSane | going to do with it* |
| 02:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | its just been in the paper wrapping though *shrug* |
| 02:26.04 | Amarande | seeing as if there -were- somehow any bacteria in it, it's not exactly going to survive browning heh |
| 02:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess ill brown it, if i start to wretch i'll know its bad |
| 02:26.36 | Amarande | and in my experience, most hamburger helper tends to just taste like salt anyway |
| 02:27.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i dont need it to taste amazing. just keep me from being hungry |
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| 02:29.58 | Olorin | im curious what a hamburger helper is.... |
| 02:30.52 | TC-Away | a white living glove |
| 02:31.16 | Thunder_Child | prolly one of jacksons castoffs |
| 02:37.04 | Olorin | geeeze some people stoopid, lvl 72 already does mining cant work out that if they get a stack of cobalt they can get themselves a 2hander for pretty much free since most dont charge for making stuff |
| 02:39.57 | mikma | anyone has pvp experiemce with dk? |
| 02:44.30 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 02:44.56 | Amarande | does the downranking nerf by any chance cause old ranks to deal less damage when you hit the level that you can buy the new rank of a spell? |
| 02:45.09 | Amarande | i.e., less than they did when they were highest available rank |
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| 02:48.03 | Kraps | how do i add an OR condition to wowhead's filter |
| 02:48.44 | Arrowmaster | my friend just totaled his truck and broke a telephone pole because a road hadnt been salted in 3 days |
| 02:49.37 | cbreak | could have been worse |
| 02:50.54 | Arrowmaster | cop said it took 62 wreaks to get the city to put a salt truck on the road last time it snowed |
| 02:51.15 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: so the truck's dead, the telephone pole's dead, the power's probably out, but he's ok? |
| 02:51.16 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, it's only 'and' or 'or' atm, they are chaninging that though |
| 02:51.29 | Kraps | thanks |
| 02:51.47 | Arrowmaster | hes fine, and the pole only carried phone and cable, no power |
| 02:52.02 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, though if you rclick on the column headers you get another level of filters |
| 02:52.03 | Olorin | dang, thats crazy, stupid thing is they spend more on police attendance etcc than gritting it |
| 02:53.09 | Kraps | hmm |
| 02:53.12 | Arrowmaster | with the age of the truck and the amount left on the loan, the best situation right now is going to be for the insurance to pay off the loan completely |
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| 03:03.47 | Kraps | could someone explain what the issue with PvP/Arenas is? |
| 03:05.26 | cbreak | it's unbalanced |
| 03:05.27 | Kraps | and why people are losing all human decency arguing about it? |
| 03:06.08 | cbreak | and in the effort of trying to balance it (which is futile without sacrificing all the individuality of classes) |
| 03:06.14 | cbreak | blizzard screws up PvE balance. |
| 03:09.31 | mikma | p3lim: would you understand if someone would reply "no" to you? |
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| 03:18.30 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the problem is really that mass pvp is hard to balance, arenas are hard to balance, and pve is hard to balance |
| 03:18.36 | ZorbaTHut | and trying to balance them all *simultaneously* is basically doomed to failure |
| 03:19.12 | ZorbaTHut | I have to admit I rather like the Eve approach to this, but Eve was much more heavily built around ship design, not around "you are a night elf hunter". |
| 03:21.12 | Tekkub | which is why pvp and pve should be balanced separately |
| 03:21.26 | kd3 | kuso |
| 03:21.31 | Tekkub | make a spell behave differently on a PC than an NPC |
| 03:22.01 | cbreak | eve... *shiver* |
| 03:22.04 | cbreak | I hated it |
| 03:22.11 | cbreak | too much PvP |
| 03:22.23 | cbreak | death hurts too much |
| 03:22.31 | cbreak | and I don't even like WoW's AH |
| 03:22.33 | Tekkub | I hated that PvP decisions were out of my hands |
| 03:22.43 | cbreak | you can imagine how I liked EVE's oeconomy... |
| 03:22.51 | Tekkub | one day my corp opened up war against some other people |
| 03:23.02 | Tekkub | I was the first casualty... and I was fucking mining |
| 03:23.22 | Tekkub | I quit soon after that |
| 03:23.33 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, I suspect eve is your anti-game ;) |
| 03:24.04 | cbreak | I liked the char designer. |
| 03:24.13 | ZorbaTHut | it's obviously a very different design from WoW, but I did like that the philosophy was generally "if you get caught in PvP in a ship that isn't a PvP ship, you're probably fucked" |
| 03:24.16 | cbreak | and I liked the space ships |
| 03:24.27 | ZorbaTHut | "that's why you should have run away, and come back in a PvP ship" |
| 03:24.47 | Tekkub | I liked flying around, until I'd seen all 6 backdrops |
| 03:25.10 | cbreak | I think Eve encourages people to betray each other |
| 03:25.28 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, oh, definitely. |
| 03:25.45 | ZorbaTHut | eve is a hardcore production/marketeering/social/pvp game. in many ways it's the exact opposite of WoW |
| 03:26.15 | Tem|afk | you don't play the game because it's fun |
| 03:26.26 | Tem|afk | you play the game because you like fucking with other players' fun |
| 03:28.36 | cbreak | I tried it with a 20 days free offer. |
| 03:28.49 | cbreak | after 15 days I flew my ship to eve and logged out for ever. |
| 03:28.57 | cbreak | I think many others had the same idea |
| 03:29.04 | cbreak | the whole zone was filled with ships |
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| 03:31.32 | Kraps | lulz http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58154 |
| 03:34.48 | Kraps | scorgeholme /sadsigh |
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| 03:40.15 | kd3 | geez. it feels like I'm playing ut2k4 |
| 03:41.51 | Thunder_Child | kd3, SotA? |
| 03:42.42 | Cide | strand of the ancients |
| 03:42.47 | Cide | but dude, kd3 |
| 03:43.02 | Cide | you can't capitalize sota like you capitalize DotA |
| 03:43.32 | Thunder_Child | i'm guessing a variation on dota? |
| 03:43.40 | Amarande | cbreak: how many of the ships in Eve zone do you think were derelict? :) |
| 03:44.01 | cbreak | don't know what that means. |
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| 03:44.17 | Amarande | cbreak: abandoned, disused, etc. |
| 03:44.20 | Thunder_Child | ~dict derelict |
| 03:44.24 | cbreak | hmm... all? :) |
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| 03:44.36 | |pez| | So, any of you guys ever converted a ttf font, to otf? :D |
| 03:46.30 | cbreak | not me. why do you want to? |
| 03:48.10 | kd3 | meh |
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| 03:53.34 | Kraps_ | 500 defense |
| 03:53.47 | Kraps_ | 505 |
| 03:54.17 | cbreak | 105 more than I have :) |
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| 03:54.42 | Kraps_ | what are you? |
| 03:54.52 | mikma | mohawk |
| 03:54.55 | cbreak | frost mage :) |
| 03:56.05 | Kraps_ | mikma: night elf mohawks are OP |
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| 03:58.41 | Flame_1234 | is it ok to ask LUA questions here, or is this an idle only channel ? |
| 03:58.54 | kd3 | ~asktoask |
| 03:58.55 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 03:59.03 | Flame_1234 | anyone here query'd the AH before and parsed data resulting from the query ? |
| 03:59.29 | Cide- | not MentalPower at least |
| 03:59.35 | Hirsute | Flame_1234: There's a few in here who have. |
| 03:59.40 | Hirsute | Cide-: Heh |
| 03:59.45 | Cide- | no |
| 03:59.48 | Cide- | that wasn't a "heh" |
| 03:59.55 | Cide- | "heh" is below "hah" which is below "haha" |
| 03:59.59 | Cide- | and that was AT LEAST a "haha" |
| 04:00.10 | Hirsute | Ah, okay, agreed. That was at least a haha |
| 04:00.13 | Cide- | so no, good sir, you are not allowed to "heh" me. |
| 04:00.25 | Flame_1234 | its just that the query results are returns async from the query.... so the script continues to run while the results are returned... I need to know how to 'wait' for results |
| 04:00.44 | Cide- | www.google.com/search?q=event+based+programming |
| 04:00.53 | Flame_1234 | and I really don't think I should need to write a finite state machine |
| 04:01.13 | Cide- | frame:RegisterEvent() |
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| 04:12.10 | Kraps_ | suffer well = see you around |
| 04:12.13 | Kraps_ | :/ |
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| 04:14.11 | cbreak | Flame_1234: you should know that WoW will not generate an other frame until your script returns |
| 04:14.16 | cbreak | so waiting is a really bad idea |
| 04:14.49 | cbreak | either you react properly on events, or you let coroutines do it for you. |
| 04:15.23 | Cide- | except coroutines are really expensive |
| 04:15.28 | Cide- | for relative values of 'really' |
| 04:15.35 | Flame_1234 | ah |
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| 04:15.58 | Flame_1234 | so I guess I write a finite state machine and drive it using RegisterEvent() ? |
| 04:16.47 | Cide- | I guess you could write a single function and have it respond to the proper event through RegisterEvent() |
| 04:17.18 | Kirov | The skinny answer is Lua is only running one bit of code at a time and everything else is waiting for that bit of code to complete before moving on to the next. You can write a Lua program that waits, but in WoW it means your client freezes for the duration of the wait. |
| 04:17.37 | Flame_1234 | yeah... that would be bad |
| 04:20.14 | Amarande | Flame: s/bad/fail |
| 04:20.58 | Flame_1234 | s/perl/evil_when_used_for_large_apps/ :) |
| 04:21.12 | Cide- | what? |
| 04:21.32 | Flame_1234 | s/source/target/ is perl notation |
| 04:22.00 | cbreak | event driven programming. |
| 04:22.06 | Cide | in search&replace terms, that fails |
| 04:22.14 | cbreak | there's no notion of concurrency in standard Lua, and in WoW. |
| 04:22.39 | Flame_1234 | meh.... this is my first lua app.... used to perl/fortran/python/c++ |
| 04:23.06 | Cide | well the same thing would apply until you involve threads |
| 04:23.11 | Amarande | Flame: you still have sanity remaining? |
| 04:23.14 | Amarande | after using FORTRAN? |
| 04:23.30 | cbreak | what is fortran? procedural? |
| 04:23.31 | Flame_1234 | it was asm before fortran.... |
| 04:23.35 | Cide | out of those languages |
| 04:23.41 | Cide | you chose to bitch about fortran? |
| 04:23.44 | Cide | when there was perl? |
| 04:23.51 | Cide | come on |
| 04:23.53 | Flame_1234 | yeah, its procedural..... |
| 04:23.54 | Flame_1234 | hehe |
| 04:24.05 | Iriel | fortran 90 isn't so bad |
| 04:24.09 | cbreak | can't be that bad then :) |
| 04:24.13 | Flame_1234 | wait till you have large company wide monolithic tools written in perl |
| 04:24.18 | Flame_1234 | f77 baby |
| 04:24.55 | Kraps_ | i really want to try out Arms :( |
| 04:25.53 | cbreak | I want to try out ASM |
| 04:25.58 | cbreak | but I haven't found a good book about it |
| 04:26.17 | cbreak | and the ASM overview from intel is huge :/ |
| 04:26.56 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:27.28 | Duman | dude, FORTRAN was teh bomb |
| 04:35.02 | Iriel | cbreak: maybe start with something older/simpler than i86, like 6502 or 68000? |
| 04:35.19 | cbreak | I already written code in sparc asm |
| 04:35.25 | cbreak | but that's not terribly useful :/ |
| 04:35.31 | Corrodias | it is now BEER TIME |
| 04:36.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it's always beer time. |
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| 04:38.10 | Amarande | Iriel: ahh, the good old days |
| 04:38.19 | Amarande | when ASL was a processor instruction |
| 04:38.20 | Iriel | Amarande: Indeed |
| 04:41.40 | Corrodias | jesus, that's like 15 years ago |
| 04:48.23 | Amarande | let's just say I'm less than a year from thirty now :S |
| 04:48.35 | Iriel | You're young, then 8-) |
| 04:50.40 | Shirik | I'm old too |
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| 04:57.23 | Flame_1234 | meh... I had to compile my first irc client on a VAX |
| 04:57.33 | Thunder_Child | lies Shirik |
| 04:57.57 | ccox | Flame - at least I had a Top20 system and an IBM_RT to develop on back then |
| 04:58.32 | ccox | (with a nice bitmap black on blue-white display on the RT) |
| 04:58.46 | kd3 | yay! got a little helper from my friends |
| 04:58.57 | Flame_1234 | *ouch* |
| 04:58.59 | kd3 | with a half-second to spare. was killed just as I got it |
| 05:03.56 | Flame_1234 | sleep time.. later all |
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| 05:17.13 | p3lim | mikma: what now? |
| 05:19.46 | Wobin | <3 Zahr http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/13723532365-pvp-sets.html |
| 05:23.33 | Tekkub | http://tekkub.github.com/ |
| 05:23.35 | Tekkub | woooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:23.42 | Tekkub | so much faster than tekkub.net :) |
| 05:23.51 | Tekkub | and cleaned up the CSS a ton as well |
| 05:25.15 | linear` | is it possible to hide certain nameplates like totem nameplates |
| 05:25.25 | linear` | while showing enemy nameplates |
| 05:26.02 | p3lim | linear`: its part of the game world, its controlled by blizzard. |
| 05:26.29 | p3lim | Tekkub: thats a new feature to github? |
| 05:26.35 | Tekkub | yes |
| 05:27.42 | p3lim | neat |
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| 05:33.37 | mikma | p3lim: you suck |
| 05:38.01 | mikma | tekkub: huh nice, that url loads in 3 seconds on my tablet. now thats fast |
| 05:38.47 | Tekkub | yea, it's not running rails :) |
| 05:39.05 | Tekkub | thing it generates static pages every time I push |
| 05:40.40 | Shirik | Iriel, I hope you don't mind me bugging you with one more question about OSGi if you're around? |
| 05:40.43 | mikma | cool, tourguide online! |
| 05:40.45 | Shirik | I promise last one :) |
| 05:40.55 | mikma | now just needs 73-80 levels |
| 05:40.56 | Iriel | Shirik: yes? |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | I used the following line to install (and subsequently start) a bundle: felix.getBundleContext().installBundle(path).start(); but I get the (extreme long) error dump of http://wowi.pastey.net/104574 -- is this what the Import-Package is for in the manifest? |
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| 05:44.29 | Iriel | Shirik: Yes, you're not given visibility to packages you dont import |
| 05:44.48 | Shirik | ok great, thanks |
| 05:44.49 | Iriel | (which helps ensure that your package encapsulation is correct) |
| 05:44.59 | Iriel | Note that you should only import the packages you reference directly |
| 05:45.15 | Iriel | if the supplier of those packages has other packages, then IT can see them, and stuff works |
| 05:46.09 | Shirik | ok thanks |
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| 06:03.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, "It feels like I've been 10 for years." -- Anduin Wrynn's gold coin |
| 06:05.20 | Amarande | heh, what's that last one I found funny |
| 06:05.25 | Amarande | [Ground Gear] "Nobody cares!" |
| 06:07.34 | Amarande | yay for the awesomeness of drunken oblivion, as well |
| 06:12.44 | sylvanaar | Iriel you cant be old enough to know what 6502 is |
| 06:14.18 | Iriel | sylvanaar: I learned 6502 assembly (my first ASM language) about 21-22 years ago |
| 06:14.28 | sylvanaar | you are my age oh god |
| 06:14.46 | Amarande | I think I did most of my 6502-generation programming in Commodore 64/128 BASIC |
| 06:15.05 | sylvanaar | x,y a |
| 06:15.13 | Thunder_Child | well well well, what do you know, old people DO play wow.... |
| 06:16.38 | Thunder_Child | of the computer gen? i started whaming on a comp when i was 5...and i'm not all that old |
| 06:17.23 | sylvanaar | i started when i was 10 |
| 06:17.35 | sylvanaar | before that was punch cards |
| 06:17.54 | Iriel | I was quite a bit older before I got to use a computer (somewhere in the 8-10 range), and even that was only during school holidays |
| 06:18.05 | Amarande | sylvanaar, did you ever drop a card deck? |
| 06:19.04 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, when you learned 6502 is when i started hammering |
| 06:19.11 | sylvanaar | haha, no, i only worked with em once ever |
| 06:22.06 | sylvanaar | its whacky when you dont get to meet other people what assumtions you make about them |
| 06:39.01 | NightHawkTheSane | It's surprisingly easy to get most of the dalaran coins. the last 3-4 of each type are obnoxious, t hough |
| 06:42.15 | Amarande | what are the coins for? |
| 06:42.23 | NightHawkTheSane | an achievement |
| 06:53.14 | Tekkub | http://www.johnnywander.com/node/92 |
| 06:59.24 | Corrodias | hmm. that should have been done in just one panel, i think, cutting out the content of the last panel entirely. |
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| 07:07.38 | Shirik | >>> http://lua.pastey.net/104577 |
| 07:07.41 | Cide | Shirik: "Expecting a.b.c = 1", "Got: 1" |
| 07:08.01 | Cide | god my bot can do that? |
| 07:08.05 | Cide | it's so great |
| 07:08.21 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Cide |
| 07:08.22 | purl | Cide: FAIL! |
| 07:09.26 | Cide | huh? |
| 07:09.28 | Cide | that's not fail at all |
| 07:09.46 | AnduinLothar | drunk coding gogogo! |
| 07:10.05 | AnduinLothar | tired... lethargic... |
| 07:10.10 | AnduinLothar | must code! |
| 07:11.27 | AnduinLothar | so close to almost done... one more bug |
| 07:12.02 | AnduinLothar | but i dont remember what it is... |
| 07:12.10 | Shirik | You know what sucks about Cide's bot |
| 07:12.22 | Cide | the uptime, and that's it |
| 07:12.22 | Shirik | it does the escaping of characters in a completely separate program, so I can't get around it |
| 07:12.28 | Cide | oh snap |
| 07:12.35 | Cide | the negative feature is a positive one! |
| 07:12.36 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't know when it's beer-thirty? |
| 07:13.07 | Cide | >>> "is it beer-thirty right now? "..({'yes', 'yes'})[math.random(1,2)] |
| 07:13.07 | Cide | Cide: "is it beer-thirty right now? yes" |
| 07:13.11 | Tekkub | <--- bear-thirsty |
| 07:13.13 | Cide | it knows. |
| 07:13.19 | Tekkub | I'd chug two bear right now |
| 07:13.38 | Tekkub | bears* |
| 07:14.07 | Otixa | I just woke up after a 24h sleep ;c |
| 07:14.21 | Tekkub | hibernation >>>>>> all |
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| 07:14.54 | Otixa | :/ |
| 07:15.16 | Shirik | Cide: Can you join #lua real quick? |
| 07:15.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:16.04 | Otixa | o/ |
| 07:16.31 | Shirik | \o |
| 07:16.47 | Tekkub | '\ |
| 07:17.04 | Otixa | Doingitrong |
| 07:17.44 | NightHawkTheSane | \o\ /o/ \o/ |
| 07:18.06 | Tekkub | \'\ /'/ /'\ |
| 07:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Tekkub++ |
| 07:20.42 | NightHawkTheSane | fucking piece of shit pvpers. |
| 07:21.02 | Otixa | QQ |
| 07:21.50 | Tekkub | you know, they should drop the "sanctuary" off dalaran |
| 07:22.02 | Tekkub | instead, if you attack someone, port you out of the city |
| 07:22.14 | Tekkub | with the unfortunate side effect... |
| 07:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | nah. |
| 07:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd prefer if they just spawn un-tether/vanish/fd/invis-able guards to kill you |
| 07:23.24 | Tekkub | what fun is that, we all know town gurads are broked |
| 07:23.39 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be easy to make them not |
| 07:23.48 | Tekkub | just do like the ally/horde areas, except trigger on offensive actions and port out of town |
| 07:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't guarantee durability hit though |
| 07:24.34 | Tekkub | with a stun debuff like the ally/horde but longer, so you can't take acction till you splat |
| 07:25.10 | Otixa | No |
| 07:25.15 | Otixa | It's fine nubs, l2p |
| 07:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: hm, only if it's not a removable stun effect :p |
| 07:25.45 | Tekkub | of course |
| 07:26.01 | Tekkub | Otixa, what's the problem, you attacking people in dalaran? |
| 07:26.07 | Tekkub | otherwise why would you care? |
| 07:26.41 | Otixa | I sneak into the horde quarters ;p |
| 07:26.49 | Otixa | And WPvP > * |
| 07:27.05 | Tekkub | *PvP <<<<<< anything |
| 07:27.31 | Otixa | Then go play on a carebear realm ;P |
| 07:27.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you're one of the few kinds of jackasses that i actually wish physical harm on |
| 07:27.42 | Tekkub | I do dumbass |
| 07:27.59 | Tekkub | I wuv you NightHawkTheSane |
| 07:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 07:29.52 | Tekkub | see that's the problem with PvPtards, when presented with an opposing view, they react the only way they know how... I PUNCH YOU AND STEAL YOUR FLAG! |
| 07:30.11 | Xiro | anyone here ever mess with the xml data from wowarmory? |
| 07:30.23 | Tekkub | IMMUNE |
| 07:30.33 | Otixa | No |
| 07:30.52 | Tekkub | yea huh you didn't hit me I have sields |
| 07:31.00 | Tekkub | and ground is lava you're dead |
| 07:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | 5 more coins... |
| 07:31.22 | Otixa | No. |
| 07:31.32 | Thunder_Child | "turn it down, the neighbors are complaining about the noiseâ âWhich neighbors?â âThe state of Idahoâ |
| 07:31.50 | Tekkub | IMMUNE |
| 07:32.04 | Tekkub | told ya, shields, and you're still on lava you're doubledead now |
| 07:32.18 | Otixa | I am God. I can not die. |
| 07:32.38 | Otixa | Not until withdrawal kicks in anyway ;c |
| 07:32.50 | Tekkub | I'm buddist, you don't exist to me, therefor you can't hurt me |
| 07:32.54 | Tekkub | religion shield! |
| 07:33.25 | Otixa | k |
| 07:34.16 | NightHawkTheSane | "Sometimes.. I wish someone would come along and just give me a big, long hug." - Kel'Thuzad's Gold Coin |
| 07:34.25 | AnduinLothar | NightHawkTheSane: what if it ports you outside the city... to mid air |
| 07:35.02 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: as noted there'd have to be some unremoveable incapacitate/stun effect, to avoid douchebags who'll slow fall/levitate/bubble/etc |
| 07:35.16 | Tekkub | or stip |
| 07:35.21 | Tekkub | or druids |
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| 07:35.27 | AnduinLothar | what, you cant equip a parachute cloak? |
| 07:35.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "etc" |
| 07:35.45 | Tekkub | the point being, to punish them for their stupidity |
| 07:35.47 | Xiro | ok, different question.. anyone familiar with the meaning of the spell trigger value? I've seen the value as 0,1,2,and 6 |
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| 07:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | s/for their stupidity// |
| 07:36.18 | Tekkub | well, the first time I guess it's not stupidity |
| 07:36.27 | Adys | anyone using fedora? |
| 07:36.28 | Tekkub | if you don't think attacking in town is stupid |
| 07:36.36 | Thunder_Child | many people Adys |
| 07:36.39 | Tekkub | but after that, it's totally stupid tax |
| 07:36.39 | Thunder_Child | around the world |
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| 07:36.45 | Adys | in this channel currently reading, Thunder_Child |
| 07:37.17 | Thunder_Child | gee Adys, why didnt you say so. |
| 07:37.19 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 07:37.22 | Adys | I DONT KNOW |
| 07:37.23 | Otixa | Arch && Debian > * |
| 07:37.36 | Shirik | Gentoo |
| 07:37.37 | Adys | yeah thanks but Im tired of debian atm |
| 07:37.51 | Otixa | lolgentoo |
| 07:37.56 | Shirik | Gentoo is win |
| 07:37.59 | Otixa | The most bloated distro ever |
| 07:38.11 | Shirik | how can you say that? |
| 07:38.19 | Adys | hes just a troll |
| 07:38.24 | Shirik | it's bloated if you install things you don't need, that's just stupid |
| 07:38.28 | Otixa | ^ that, and it takes 5min to boot |
| 07:38.30 | Tekkub | A bad troll at that |
| 07:38.41 | Tekkub | on that note, UBUNTU! |
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| 07:38.48 | Otixa | ;c |
| 07:38.49 | Adys | awzum |
| 07:38.50 | Otixa | Noe |
| 07:38.52 | Thunder_Child | and here i thought vista was the most bloated distro of all |
| 07:39.00 | Otixa | XD |
| 07:39.02 | Adys | msdos is |
| 07:39.15 | Tekkub | pfft, "useless eyecandy" != "bloat" |
| 07:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> wtf.. "you can't loot that item right now" error.. on fishing loot? |
| 07:39.21 | Shirik | Eyecandy is good! |
| 07:39.23 | Shirik | I like eyecandy |
| 07:39.30 | Tekkub | "lots of useless porgrams you don't ever use" == bloat" |
| 07:39.47 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Stop trying to loot |
| 07:39.58 | Adys | such a lootwhore |
| 07:39.58 | Shirik | you obviously can't right now |
| 07:39.59 | Tekkub | in that one respect, LET ME FUCKING UNINSTALL OUTLOOK EXRESS |
| 07:40.04 | Tekkub | I mean, "Windows Mail" |
| 07:40.07 | Adys | outlook expre |
| 07:40.09 | Adys | ah. |
| 07:40.27 | Adys | see because i was going to ask how that can still exist |
| 07:40.30 | Tekkub | and retarded Windows Defender |
| 07:40.42 | Shirik | While we're on the subject of windows |
| 07:40.50 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19808 |
| 07:41.04 | Otixa | format C: /Q < Y |
| 07:41.07 | Otixa | Fix'd. |
| 07:41.17 | Adys | According to Microsoft, there is a major hole in Internet Explorer (versions 5.01, |
| 07:41.18 | Adys | .. |
| 07:41.22 | Tekkub | oh oh, she didn't say I couldn't reply with "people still use IE? lol" |
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| 07:42.02 | Adys | also she didnt say anything about linux ! |
| 07:42.37 | Otixa | Coffee... ;c |
| 07:42.50 | Tekkub | "Two day old news is old!" |
| 07:42.54 | Adys | so on this word |
| 07:42.59 | Adys | anyone using transmission? |
| 07:43.09 | Adys | I mean, in this channel, and currently reading, Thunder_Child |
| 07:43.11 | Tekkub | my car has a transmission |
| 07:43.17 | Otixa | SYN |
| 07:43.18 | Tekkub | I use my car |
| 07:43.23 | krka | my torrentflux uses transmission-cli |
| 07:43.24 | Tekkub | therefor I use a transmission |
| 07:43.44 | Adys | I just want to know where I can grab a copy of the torrents Im seeding |
| 07:43.47 | Adys | before reinstalling |
| 07:43.47 | Otixa | Noone got it :/ |
| 07:44.03 | Adys | they're not in .transmission |
| 07:44.06 | Tekkub | oh oh oh |
| 07:44.19 | Tekkub | I know how to post without taking the flamebait! |
| 07:44.31 | Tekkub | "In before 'people still use IE?'" |
| 07:44.33 | Cairenn | bunch of smartasses :p |
| 07:44.47 | krka | for me it's ./downloads/.transfers/ |
| 07:44.53 | Thunder_Child | "Adys: I mean, in this channel, and currently reading, Thunder_Child" well duh, how are they going to answer you if they are not reading? |
| 07:44.55 | krka | but again, that's torrentflux |
| 07:44.58 | Tekkub | seriously Cairenn, two day old news, we should be allowed to poke fun |
| 07:45.06 | Adys | Thunder_Child: telepathy !! |
| 07:45.10 | Adys | also i found it krka |
| 07:45.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: tele... dammit adys |
| 07:45.13 | Thunder_Child | point Adys |
| 07:45.14 | Adys | .config/transmission |
| 07:45.37 | Thunder_Child | oh and Cairenn, as leader of this channel of smartasses...what does this say about you? |
| 07:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | that she's t he queen smartass? |
| 07:46.00 | Cairenn | that I'm one as well |
| 07:46.03 | Tekkub | you know, it'd probably be cheaper for MS to just buy it's lusers auth token than fixing IE |
| 07:46.08 | Tekkub | since IE's beyond all hope |
| 07:46.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm vaguely surprised they haven't tried to buy firefox or opera |
| 07:46.53 | Thunder_Child | ummm...correct Cairenn, though not as much fun as if you had not agreed |
| 07:47.41 | Tekkub | they're still in the fantasy world that their browser is good and people like both using it and writing web sites for it |
| 07:48.08 | Shirik | Tekkub: Microsoft has said they are considering just moving to an open engine |
| 07:48.34 | Shirik | Something along the lines of that they know that IE has provided no new innovation since their major competitor Netscape died |
| 07:48.37 | Tekkub | *snicker* that'll be the day |
| 07:48.52 | Tekkub | except firefox IS netscape |
| 07:49.02 | Tekkub | and is still their major competitor |
| 07:49.05 | Shirik | hey |
| 07:49.09 | Shirik | go talk to Microsoft :P |
| 07:49.12 | Shirik | they're the ones who said this |
| 07:49.32 | Tekkub | see you think that both I and they care |
| 07:49.36 | Tekkub | and neither do! |
| 07:49.57 | Tekkub | and firefox >>> netscape ever was |
| 07:50.14 | Tekkub | though thunderbird is still like, exactly the same as netscape's mail |
| 07:50.56 | Shirik | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/06/microsofts_ballmer_considers_using_webkit_within_ie.html |
| 07:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, that sounds more like a "yeah, sure, whatever kid" answer than a "we're honestly consdiering webkit" answer |
| 07:53.46 | AnduinLothar | old news is old |
| 07:54.25 | Shirik | Tekkub obviously didn't hear about it! |
| 07:54.27 | Tekkub | that sounded to me like a "we're considering it" as in "we thought about it once, maybe twice, but we figured it was just gas" |
| 07:54.40 | Tekkub | obviously tek doesn't care! |
| 07:55.15 | Tekkub | <--- won't write extra code into his web sites to make them work in IE unless someone is paying me good money to do so |
| 07:55.25 | Shirik | I totally agree |
| 07:55.35 | Shirik | Though I won't intentionally break it either |
| 07:55.39 | Tekkub | and only one person does that, and it's for fuckin IE6 |
| 07:55.46 | Tekkub | I won't break it, no |
| 07:55.58 | Tekkub | but I know my stuff looks like shit on IE and I don't care |
| 07:55.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i generally write standards compliant code, and if a browser (any browser) messes up, it's not my problem |
| 07:56.11 | Tekkub | EXACTLY! |
| 07:56.27 | Tekkub | funny note, github looks like shit and 3/4 of the stuff doesn't work on IE7 :) |
| 07:56.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:56.55 | Shirik | so it accurately reflects git? |
| 07:56.57 | Tekkub | I get these people, "I can't set my email" ... "Oh I'm sorry we don't support IE" |
| 07:56.57 | Shirik | OH BURN |
| 07:57.12 | Tekkub | I'm sure git doesn't work in IE7 either |
| 07:57.21 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:57.25 | Tekkub | HA |
| 07:57.33 | Shirik | you are not supposed to turn my disses back against me |
| 07:57.38 | Shirik | you are supposed to take them like a man |
| 07:57.51 | Tekkub | You need to do better then |
| 07:58.01 | Tekkub | and grow some chest hair |
| 07:58.04 | Tekkub | and a belly |
| 07:58.11 | Tekkub | and a beard |
| 07:58.19 | Tekkub | then I'll "take it" from you gladly |
| 07:59.17 | Shirik | you have some very strange desires |
| 07:59.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub is a very strange person in general |
| 08:00.41 | ccox | BearShirik just doesn't work... |
| 08:00.50 | Tekkub | why not? |
| 08:00.59 | Tekkub | he'd be one of those lil stumpy bears |
| 08:01.00 | ccox | too scrawny |
| 08:01.02 | Tekkub | it'd be cute |
| 08:01.11 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> and a belly |
| 08:01.13 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:01.27 | ccox | he's more like one of those hairless mole-rats |
| 08:01.36 | Tekkub | currently, yea |
| 08:02.00 | ccox | ok, feed him enough beer over a long enough period, and maybe |
| 08:02.06 | Tekkub | but we could turn him into a cute lil tanuki |
| 08:02.13 | Tekkub | assuming, of course, that he's got big balls |
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| 08:04.00 | ccox | well, I've heard he holds big balls for charity |
| 08:04.11 | Tekkub | not the same |
| 08:04.21 | ccox | (apologies to angus young) |
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| 08:05.37 | ccox | do you think we scared him? |
| 08:05.54 | NightHawkTheSane | probably, poor kid |
| 08:06.31 | Tekkub | he really should be proud of his balls |
| 08:06.46 | Tekkub | I am, of mine |
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| 08:19.51 | cladhaire | Tekkub: NOU |
| 08:20.06 | cladhaire | does rodrick hang out here/anywhere/ |
| 08:20.13 | Tekkub | cladhaire, youdon't think shirik has big balls? |
| 08:20.58 | cladhaire | so Rodrick wants me to make a new type for the data spec that includes iconR, iconG, iconB, iconCoords |
| 08:20.59 | cladhaire | I said no. |
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| 08:21.42 | Tekkub | k |
| 08:21.53 | cladhaire | I don't see why the original spec should not support those attributes |
| 08:22.00 | cladhaire | if you want to add them to the wiki page *wink* |
| 08:22.28 | Tekkub | tis a wiki |
| 08:22.43 | cladhaire | NO U! |
| 08:22.53 | cladhaire | k k |
| 08:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, got Frostwolf Perfection and A Little Helper from my Friends in the same AV. very nice |
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| 08:32.12 | cladhaire | Tekkub: as an extension or into the core spec? It looks like the extensions that are listed (label, OnTooltipShow) have been pushed into the main spec. |
| 08:34.29 | cladhaire | Tekkub: updated, feel free to move them around if necessary.. seems a bit schitzo right now :P |
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| 09:36.47 | Wobin | http://presurfer.blogspot.com/2008/12/veni-vidi-vici.html |
| 09:36.50 | Wobin | cute video |
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| 10:38.01 | Adys | So I just found over 2000 bc beta screenshots |
| 10:38.20 | Adys | and Im laughing quite hard at some items |
| 10:38.46 | Adys | trying to find out which one has the longest name... i think Tempest Keep Atrium Lvl 70 Warp Splinter Loot 1 Cloth Off Set Robe holds the record |
| 10:39.48 | Adys | for the record, that's "Warp Infused Drape" |
| 10:40.03 | bleeter | oooooh |
| 10:40.05 | bleeter | adys |
| 10:40.10 | Adys | no patch |
| 10:40.28 | bleeter | hah! my training of you is complete! :D |
| 10:40.48 | Adys | yeah well it got old quick |
| 10:40.51 | Adys | im off to bed tho |
| 10:40.52 | Adys | night |
| 10:41.38 | bleeter | actyually, i was gunna say I found 1500+ screens since whenever I started ages ago |
| 10:41.59 | bleeter | but if you'd like to think i give a damn about a patch... :P |
| 10:42.00 | bleeter | gnight mate |
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| 10:50.36 | Cidan | I still have some screenshots from when Cidan was like, level 2 |
| 10:50.42 | Cidan | and my ex was level 2 as well |
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| 11:48.18 | zenzelezz | "Chances are you're going to be given the gear that'll get the job done rather than the gear that has to be constructed entirely out of the nipples of a 7,000 year-old dragon. " - lol |
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| 13:27.06 | toggster | can I create tables without a reference name? Like maintable = {{1, 2, 3}, {"a", "b", "c"}} ? |
| 13:28.06 | krka | what is a reference name? |
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| 13:32.16 | toggster | no idea what to call it in english, in my example maintable. A pointer |
| 13:32.35 | toggster | {1,2,3} does not have one, other than that it is maintable[1] |
| 13:32.43 | Elkano | yeah |
| 13:33.05 | Elkano | you mean the key I think ^^ and if you dont specify keys, numeric keys will be used |
| 13:33.19 | toggster | could I call a function with f({1,2,3})? |
| 13:33.41 | alestane | You could. That function would receive one argument, a table. |
| 13:33.49 | toggster | good. |
| 13:34.18 | alestane | Tables are reference variables, so any changes you make to the table inside the function will affect the original. |
| 13:34.48 | toggster | haven't quite gotten into classes etc in lua, it seems quite different. since you have no types. or well you do but you understand what I mean? |
| 13:35.22 | toggster | Ah well I got the answer I was looking for. now I'll get to work and try it out ;) |
| 13:35.29 | toggster | many thanks |
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| 13:44.52 | cbreak | toggster: you should look at a few saved variable files. some of those contain tables like you have never seen them before :) |
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| 13:52.10 | zenzelezz | why hello there Lopeppeppy |
| 13:52.15 | shadowfaux | hey was wondering if anyone could point me towards info on creating tables other than http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial |
| 13:53.03 | krka | --> {} |
| 13:53.03 | batbot | krka: > table: 0x81dc000 |
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| 13:54.06 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | Hai2U, zenzelezz! |
| 13:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | And Lunessa-dear. |
| 13:54.14 | cladhaire | so, if i just did minor inscription research... and didn't discover anything.. am i done or are there some that require higher skill? |
| 13:54.15 | Lunessa | :D |
| 13:54.44 | Lunessa | cladhaire: I believe that means you're done. |
| 13:54.48 | krka | Well, I think so, cladhaire,- but *where* do you stick the feather and call it macaroni? |
| 13:54.52 | cladhaire | Lunessa: hrm, interesting |
| 13:55.09 | cladhaire | i should download one of the tradeskill addons and check |
| 13:55.10 | cladhaire | heh |
| 13:55.27 | shadowfaux | looking to filter my table to pick out keywords that i can add to a different table and looking for info on doing that |
| 13:55.28 | Lunessa | krka:... kinky. |
| 13:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | I thought that you could do research forever.... |
| 13:55.43 | krka | I think so, Lunessa, but isn't that why they invented tube socks? |
| 13:55.56 | krka | Well, I think so, Lopeppeppy,- but *where* do you stick the feather and call it macaroni? |
| 13:56.05 | krka | i really need to fix that random number generator |
| 13:56.08 | cladhaire | lol |
| 13:56.14 | cladhaire | Lopeppeppy: eventually you run out of minor glyphs to learn tho |
| 13:56.22 | Lopeppeppy | krka, you're not eligible to find out where my macaroni is. |
| 13:56.48 | Lunessa | Access - DENIED! |
| 13:57.03 | alestane | cladhaire: If you're at max skill and not discovering glyphs then I think you're done. But I don't think you can discover glyphs that you can't make yet. |
| 13:57.04 | krka | i'm not sure i'm overly bothered by not knowing |
| 13:57.16 | cladhaire | i'm not at max skill |
| 13:57.32 | krka | that's what SHE said |
| 13:58.50 | cladhaire | oh damn |
| 13:58.52 | cladhaire | I need to get 155 |
| 13:58.57 | cladhaire | in order to learn anything more I think |
| 13:59.02 | krka | I think so, cladhaire, but if we get Sam Spade, we'll never have any puppies. |
| 13:59.17 | cladhaire | krka: Please turn that off, now. |
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| 14:00.08 | krka | turn what off? |
| 14:00.11 | krka | it's not automatic |
| 14:00.44 | cladhaire | Then stop doing it? |
| 14:00.45 | alestane | Then turn it off inside your brain? |
| 14:00.49 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 14:00.52 | krka | aww |
| 14:00.53 | krka | meanies! |
| 14:02.35 | krka | it's not even morning |
| 14:02.44 | Lopeppeppy | Is for some of us lay-a-beds |
| 14:02.49 | krka | alternatively, it's always morning somewhere |
| 14:02.56 | krka | (that's me being deep!) |
| 14:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's 5 o'clock somewhere. |
| 14:04.04 | krka | that's not necessarily a contradiction |
| 14:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | Very true. |
| 14:07.11 | alestane | Look at that! Cookies! |
| 14:07.22 | Lopeppeppy | 'zactly. |
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| 14:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | I do not kick someone out of cuddles for cookie crumbs. |
| 14:15.45 | alestane | Charitable of you. |
| 14:15.58 | Lopeppeppy | Charitible? No, enlightened self-interest. |
| 14:16.18 | alestane | Cuddles are worth crumbs? |
| 14:16.32 | alestane | Won't catch me arguing. |
| 14:16.58 | Lopeppeppy | I live alone. Cuddles are worth lots of things, crumbs being the least of it. |
| 14:18.01 | krka | cookie crumb is just another word for easy to digest cookie |
| 14:18.28 | cladhaire | http://cladhaire.pastey.net/104582 |
| 14:18.33 | cladhaire | minor glyphs and their required skill level |
| 14:18.35 | cladhaire | for those interested |
| 14:18.49 | cladhaire | i should put that on wowwiki |
| 14:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | Please do, cladhaire! |
| 14:19.23 | alestane | So there isn't really anything to discover between 165 and 315? |
| 14:19.30 | cladhaire | apparently not. |
| 14:19.58 | alestane | That explains why I'm done at 215 then. |
| 14:20.35 | alestane | At least, done until level 50. |
| 14:21.23 | alestane | And is it Glyph of Death Strike that came out as "Glyph of Death\" |
| 14:21.25 | alestane | ? |
| 14:22.00 | cladhaire | no Death's Embrace |
| 14:22.23 | cladhaire | need to fix that |
| 14:23.42 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 14:23.48 | cladhaire | wowwiki says there are 60 minor glyphs |
| 14:23.50 | cladhaire | I only count 40 |
| 14:24.04 | cladhaire | eh screw it, can't be arsed. |
| 14:25.01 | alestane | Does that mean you can't be bothered? |
| 14:25.24 | cladhaire | yes |
| 14:25.52 | cladhaire | i'd generate the markup if we had an open api |
| 14:25.54 | cladhaire | some day :P |
| 14:26.15 | cladhaire | but I need to level to 165 |
| 14:26.16 | cladhaire | then 215 |
| 14:26.20 | cladhaire | err |
| 14:26.20 | cladhaire | 165 |
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| 14:30.23 | alestane | Some sort of network ick? |
| 14:30.45 | cladhaire_ | wireless cut out |
| 14:30.54 | Wobin | ironic |
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| 14:31.28 | Wobin | "It was like someone cut the line!" "Oh really dear? What did it sound like" "Well.... 'snip!'" |
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| 14:31.51 | cladhaire | much better |
| 14:32.39 | alestane | That's a fairly circumscribed network ick. |
| 14:33.23 | alestane | Oh dear. |
| 14:34.41 | Lopeppeppy | I know, huh? |
| 14:36.38 | alestane | There's something trouble about the system message, "You feel normal." |
| 14:36.42 | alestane | troubling* |
| 14:37.07 | Lopeppeppy | I felt very abnormal before that, alestane. |
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| 14:41.43 | alestane | What if I don't want to feel normal? |
| 14:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | Drink more noggenfogger. |
| 14:42.43 | Lunessa | alestane: Did you get the bags? |
| 14:43.00 | alestane | I haven't actually checked my mail yet, but I have new mail. |
| 14:43.08 | Lunessa | Excellent. |
| 14:43.39 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you should let me know your character. I'm DYING to rampage the lower instances to start collecting boss kills. And I have a 35ish paladin who adores you. |
| 14:43.56 | alestane | Pally + warlock = ownage. |
| 14:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, baby. |
| 14:44.07 | alestane | And it's really easy: "Alestane". |
| 14:44.17 | Lopeppeppy | I'll spec her ret so that you can get your voidie to tank for us. |
| 14:44.22 | alestane | I'm only level 9 at the moment, but working on that as we type. |
| 14:44.46 | Lopeppeppy | You gets older, we go kick the crap out of the defias. |
| 14:44.50 | Lopeppeppy | I LOVE the defias. |
| 14:45.00 | Lopeppeppy | Consecrate. Laugh. |
| 14:45.05 | Lopeppeppy | Loot. |
| 14:45.08 | Lopeppeppy | Rinse. Repeat. |
| 14:45.22 | alestane | Oh look, free leather. |
| 14:45.29 | Lunessa | When you get into the 40s, I has a shaman to add to the mix. |
| 14:45.51 | alestane | Peppy has two pallies on this server? |
| 14:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | I does. |
| 14:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | Baby Saryel, and Ladayne of great wonder. |
| 14:46.54 | zenzelezz | no wonder you don't feel normal then |
| 14:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | No, being a paladin is very normal for me, zenzelezz. I love it. |
| 14:48.09 | alestane | I feel sort of like I should transfer one of my 70s, but I'd miss them on Bloodhoof...oh well, after the patch I can make a death knight and have someone higher-levelish as well. |
| 14:50.52 | alestane | This toon so needs a wand. |
| 14:51.27 | Lunessa | Wands at low-levels are pwn |
| 14:52.04 | alestane | And I have nothing to do when things are already dotted and still aggro'd on my imp, unless I want to run my mana down making sure they die *faster*. |
| 14:52.21 | Lopeppeppy | They sell wands in the draeni city. |
| 14:52.43 | Lopeppeppy | And we'll get you lots of stuff from deadmines. |
| 14:52.45 | alestane | Most cities have a wand vendor, they're just usually kind of pricey. |
| 14:53.22 | Lopeppeppy | Golds, I loans you them. |
| 14:53.49 | alestane | Hurray, almost level 10. Voidwalker time! |
| 14:54.26 | alestane | This Perelli guy really gets around... |
| 14:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | Antonio Perelli's miracle elixirs. |
| 14:56.26 | alestane | He goes pretty much all the way around the four starting human kingdoms. |
| 14:56.51 | alestane | Areas. |
| 14:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | Goldshire/Redrige I thought, not Sentinel Hill though? |
| 14:59.53 | alestane | I know I've seen him in Redridge and Duskwood. |
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| 15:00.03 | alestane | I'm not quite sure about Sentinel Hill. |
| 15:00.39 | alestane | Level 10! |
| 15:00.40 | Lopeppeppy | Duskwood too? I know I see him in Redridge and along the path to Goldshire. I didn't think he went elsewhere, because his stuff is too low level for Duskwood. |
| 15:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, alestane! |
| 15:00.47 | alestane | Tanks and talents! |
| 15:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | Whee! |
| 15:01.05 | Lopeppeppy | And there's a pet in deadmines to start toward the achievement, you know. *nod* |
| 15:01.06 | alestane | I've seen him on the road between Raven Hill and Darkshire. |
| 15:01.29 | alestane | Oh, the parrot? I have a bear and a little dragon so far. |
| 15:01.43 | alestane | Hoo boy, bags. |
| 15:01.53 | Lunessa | I am 3 pets away from the achievement on Unkle. |
| 15:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | Not the parrot, the siamese cat. |
| 15:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, does multiple colors of a pet count? Like all the cats from the crazy cat lady, all the moths from the draeni... ? |
| 15:02.41 | alestane | I think so. |
| 15:02.44 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. |
| 15:02.45 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 15:02.50 | alestane | Bag space, I has dem. |
| 15:02.56 | Lunessa | I have almost all the cats. |
| 15:02.57 | alestane | How I has 56 of dem. |
| 15:03.00 | Lunessa | Wooot! |
| 15:03.10 | Lopeppeppy | Holy crap, that's tons of leveling space. |
| 15:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | You can vacuum in the Deadmines then! |
| 15:03.32 | alestane | Luna just sent me 4 Imbued Netherweave Bags. |
| 15:03.54 | Lopeppeppy | *faints* |
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| 15:04.20 | Lunessa | I had to go farm the silk, but level 80 killing level 64/65 spiders is fast. |
| 15:04.36 | Lunessa | And I already had something like 8 full stacks of the imbued cloth. |
| 15:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that sorta goes quickly. |
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| 15:05.29 | Wobin | You know what? |
| 15:05.41 | Wobin | I think I'm going to swiftly die as soon as I start levelling another character |
| 15:05.45 | Wobin | that's not a Death Knight |
| 15:06.07 | Wobin | Cause I'm getting into the habit of pulling entire rooms at a time of mobs |
| 15:06.26 | Lunessa | Wobin: Anytime I go from my shaman to a clothie I have to make a lot of adjustments based on lower armor/health. |
| 15:06.33 | Wobin | "I need 5 drops? I'll just kill these 10 I can pull at one time" |
| 15:06.40 | Wobin | I get irritated when they leash =( |
| 15:06.43 | Olorin | lol dont make a mage, I did that afeter my port pally and that wasnt fun |
| 15:06.47 | alestane | Yeah, I'm not sure about Northrend but Death Knights seem severely OP in 55-65 soloing. |
| 15:06.57 | Wobin | alestane: It doesn't stop =) |
| 15:07.00 | Wobin | at least til 79 |
| 15:07.16 | Wobin | I just did a VH run, the healer was good =) |
| 15:07.22 | Wobin | I never dropped below 75% |
| 15:07.33 | Wobin | (and I did 50% of the total damage ><) |
| 15:07.42 | Wobin | despite that, it was a pretty smooth run |
| 15:07.59 | Wobin | VH is nice for an aoe tank |
| 15:09.01 | Wobin | hm, I might level my rogue next... I miss being able to stun |
| 15:09.12 | alestane | Peppy, Lunessa: Either of you have a toon who can use the schematic for mechanical squirrels? |
| 15:09.15 | Wobin | or transfer my shammy across... |
| 15:10.04 | Lunessa | alestane: My engineer knows it already. |
| 15:10.24 | Wobin | I need to /love one |
| 15:10.49 | zenzelezz | <Lunessa> Wobin: Anytime I go from my shaman to a clothie I have to make a lot of adjustments based on lower armor/health. <--- I've played a protection warrior since I hit 60 almost three years ago. All my attempts at clothies end in pain |
| 15:12.22 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I started as a Warlock, moved to a Mage, then lots of randome lowbie alts, then a Priest. So most of my WoW experience has been as a squishy until BC. |
| 15:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | No engineers in my group. I hate engineering. It caused the fall of Gnomeregan! |
| 15:13.03 | Olorin | warlocks are fun as clothies go |
| 15:13.08 | Wobin | I started as a hunter, went to priest, then rogue, then mage, then druid |
| 15:13.23 | Wobin | DK is my first tanky class |
| 15:13.24 | alestane | And you call yourself a Sprocket... |
| 15:13.35 | Wobin | and I'm actually enjoying it =P |
| 15:13.42 | Wobin | (who would have thought it?) |
| 15:14.09 | Lunessa | :D |
| 15:16.51 | Wobin | It's just so nice to have enough avoidance and armour to just shrug off the majority of blows |
| 15:17.03 | Wobin | certainly the nonstop farming is fun |
| 15:17.11 | Wobin | lack of mana/rage limitations |
| 15:20.18 | Lunessa | So I pugged 4 bosses in 10-Man Naxx last night. Interesting place. :) |
| 15:22.07 | alestane | Anyone know a red equivalent to Black Mageweave Leggings (in terms of looks)? |
| 15:25.47 | Lunessa | red mage waeve... |
| 15:26.22 | Lunessa | Also, some of the "no stats" white quality gear has a similar look. |
| 15:27.34 | alestane | "You don't want to taste no sour rat kabob."...very true. |
| 15:28.08 | alestane | In fact, I don't think I want to taste any rat kabob at all. |
| 15:34.10 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Sour Rat Kabob. This planet has EVERYTHING. |
| 15:35.13 | mikma | are there any timers available when will next wintergrasp battle begin? |
| 15:35.44 | cbreak | if you are in wintergrasp you get one |
| 15:36.18 | alestane | There's a shoutout in Dalaran, |
| 15:36.55 | Lunessa | We three kings of Orient are, trying to smoke a loaded cigar... |
| 15:37.12 | alestane | A rubber cigar. |
| 15:37.27 | alestane | Because "It was loaded, it exploded..." |
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| 15:38.38 | Wobin | Scattering them yon and far |
| 15:38.46 | alestane | Or the other favorite variant... |
| 15:39.07 | alestane | "We three, kings of Orient are/wishing we had rented a car..." |
| 15:39.33 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are awesome. |
| 15:39.51 | alestane | For lampooning Christmas Carols? |
| 15:40.00 | Lopeppeppy | I need a LJ entry, got a link to the whole lampoon of one of those? |
| 15:40.54 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I learned my version as an 8-year-old boy from one of my mother's boy-friends. Sorry. I've never looked for a written version. |
| 15:41.09 | alestane | Well, the traditional one is real easy; "We three kings of Orient are/trying to smoke a rubber cigar./It was loaded, it exploded...*BOOM!*" |
| 15:41.27 | alestane | <long pause>..."We two kings of Orient are..." |
| 15:41.35 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 15:41.47 | Lopeppeppy | I might just go with that, in all honesty. The theme is "my favorite story" |
| 15:42.05 | alestane | Oh good, the winter wondervolt didn't assign me the most hideous gnome face available this time. |
| 15:42.36 | Lunessa | It was loaded; it exploded... I love that. And my favorite christmas video is "Raging Rudolph" |
| 15:42.52 | Lopeppeppy | Grandma got run over by a reindeer |
| 15:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | "And we just can't help but wonder, do we open up her gifts or send them back?" |
| 15:43.16 | alestane | I can listen to Grandma got run over by a reindeer once per season and smile. After that I'm done. |
| 15:43.50 | Lunessa | I used to have a reindeer doll that played it. Eventually I took the batteries out because all the kids in the house kept playing it. |
| 15:44.51 | alestane | Snow leopard just killed a rabbit. Free leather! |
| 15:45.52 | Lunessa | The economy on Kirin Tor is great for selling low-level crafting materials. Something about lots of Death Knights not wanting to level gathering skills... |
| 15:46.04 | Olorin | bit late but was afk We two kings of Orient are, one in a taxi, one in a car, one on his scooter bibbing his hooter..... |
| 15:46.31 | Lopeppeppy | "Christmas Wrapping" by the Waitresses. *nod* That's my story. |
| 15:47.12 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The same band that brought us "I Know What Boys Like"? |
| 15:47.30 | Lopeppeppy | Believe so. |
| 15:47.48 | alestane | http://www.gocomics.com/heartofthecity/2008/12/10/ Anyone else recognize the song she's talking about? |
| 15:48.28 | Lunessa | alestane: Not a damned clue. |
| 15:48.39 | alestane | Count yourself fortunate then. |
| 15:48.59 | alestane | Being in retail for five years meant I got real familiar with the radio Christmas lineup. |
| 15:49.30 | alestane | It's one of the most horrible, depressing attempts at a sappy sentimental Christmas song. |
| 15:49.58 | Olorin | lol sounds like 'i know a song that'll get on ya nerves, get on ya nerves, get on ya nerves, I know a song that'll get on ya nerves, get, get get on ya nerves...." |
| 15:51.26 | alestane | I would rather have them playing the complete collection of every recording ever done of "Let It Snow" than that damn song about the borke kid buying the perfect shoes for his sick mother so she'll look her best if she meets Jesus tonight. |
| 15:51.40 | alestane | broke* kid. |
| 15:52.16 | Lunessa | Trailer park girls go round the outisde, round the outside... |
| 15:52.22 | alestane | Say what? |
| 15:52.39 | alestane | That sounds like more like a teenage drinking song. |
| 15:52.46 | Lunessa | Using an Eminem song to wipe the sappy son g out of my brain. |
| 15:53.08 | Gngsk | Hi, what, who? |
| 15:53.09 | alestane | Ah, that does have an EEminem sort of rythm about it. |
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| 15:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | Love you kiss kiss, Lunessa!! |
| 15:55.31 | Lunessa | :D /me is a champion, feeling like a hero! |
| 15:55.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ever heard... "Me and Little Andy" I think it is? |
| 15:55.55 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0xZGgxzIedMGoAosz0gM time to test this puppy in pvp |
| 15:56.00 | alestane | Some of those radio rotations are okay. I don't mind Urtha Kitt singing "Santa Baby", even though I find it sort of crass. "Baby It's Cold Outside" is musically clever and faintly more "grown-up". I will listen to the TSO playing Christmas music all day long. |
| 15:57.24 | alestane | But "Winter Wonderland" and "Let It Snow" are brutally over-recorded. |
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| 16:00.31 | alestane | Usually be people with no musical talent whatsoever. My first December at Radio Shack, our December DVD had a recording of "Let It Snow" by these two women who couldn't even sing in the same key. |
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| 16:01.26 | Lunessa | alestane: Mannheim Steamroller |
| 16:01.43 | alestane | What about them? |
| 16:02.23 | Lunessa | But, "Santa Baby" makes me laugh, and Urtha Kitt's voice is like audio sex, so I can listen to it all day. |
| 16:02.38 | alestane | Exactly! |
| 16:02.45 | Lopeppeppy | Hurry down the chimney tonight! |
| 16:02.47 | alestane | And better her than Madonna. |
| 16:03.01 | Lunessa | Oh, decent christmas music instrumentals that won't make you want to kill yourself, and the entire mall. |
| 16:04.00 | alestane | Except that that's the only way they'll play any actual Christmas music (as opposed to winter celebration music). |
| 16:05.20 | Lunessa | Frankly, the world could deal with a little more 'exclusion' - if you don't like my holiday, don't fret it. I don't fret yours. |
| 16:05.39 | Lunessa | Hell, I'm not even a christian, and I like christmas. |
| 16:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | I am sooo not christian, but I love the pretty lights. Sparkly. |
| 16:07.24 | alestane | But I still love "O come all ye faithful" and I'm lucky to get a Muzak version. |
| 16:07.35 | Lunessa | *shrug* I hate that our "holiday" party here had to be called that because we're a state body which must be non-offensive and politically correct. |
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| 16:12.59 | Lunessa | http://www.ocregister.com/articles/employees-blizzard-company-2250480-sams-work |
| 16:24.52 | alestane | THERE we go: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20041215 |
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| 16:25.28 | Lunessa | Indeed. |
| 16:25.32 | zenzelezz | what's CAD like these days? I stopped reading it some time ago when it went from webcomic to webdrama |
| 16:26.06 | alestane | It's in a story-lite phase at the moment. |
| 16:27.11 | alestane | Ethan and Lilah finally got married, so the major outstanding plotlines have been wrapped up for a while and he's taking it easy and doing one-shot gags. |
| 16:27.26 | zenzelezz | oh hey, Scott |
| 16:27.29 | alestane | Oh wait, except he just started another one of his "Choose your own adventure" things. |
| 16:27.31 | zenzelezz | my brother insists I look like him |
| 16:28.51 | mikma | daaaaamn :D frost spec is also fun |
| 16:28.59 | mikma | 6k+ howling blast crits |
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| 16:43.46 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik. How's things? |
| 16:43.51 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:47.20 | Lopeppeppy | Just okay? Is the semester not over? Can you not rest and relax and recuperate? |
| 16:47.33 | Shirik | I never relax |
| 16:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | Learn to, dear. |
| 16:49.05 | Lunessa | Shirik: You're, to quote Robin Williams, the man most in need of a blow-job I've ever seen. :P |
| 16:49.16 | Shirik | o.O |
| 16:50.00 | Lunessa | You never relax. |
| 16:50.02 | Lunessa | Ever. |
| 16:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 16:50.50 | mikma | now was that a blowjob offering |
| 16:50.57 | mikma | i'd accept it shirik! |
| 16:51.28 | Lunessa | No, it was NOT an offer, just an observation. |
| 16:51.53 | Shirik | ~shirik |
| 16:51.53 | purl | you are probably "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 16:51.58 | Shirik | ^ also just an observation |
| 16:52.05 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: but you know someone who knows someone, right? |
| 16:52.25 | zenzelezz | ~literal shirik |
| 16:52.26 | purl | "shirik" is ""If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik" |
| 16:52.32 | Lunessa | Yeah, I'm sure I could even locate someone in VA who might accomodate. :P |
| 16:52.45 | alestane | Really starting to loath Ace...the amount of analysis and deep code tracking I have to do to grasp how an add-on accomplishes what it does is rather excessive. |
| 16:52.46 | Lunessa | Seeing as I lived there for 8.5 years. |
| 16:52.51 | zenzelezz | shouldn't that be preceded by <reply> so purl doesn't do the "is probably" thing? |
| 16:53.08 | Shirik | meh |
| 16:53.14 | Shirik | blame cog|away |
| 16:56.17 | alestane | What exactly does Ace actually do for authors? It doesn't seem like it saves them any work, given the amount of coding that seems to be dedicated to making your add-on conform to the Ace framework... |
| 16:57.02 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes it DOES save work, by using established libraries. I would imagine that the skill of the author in incorporating said libraries is also an enormous factor in how much "utility" is gained. |
| 16:57.19 | Olorin | that was the conclusion I came to, so I dont use it, that way my addon not dependant on someone else keeping their code working |
| 16:57.47 | alestane | I mean, LibStub I can understand, given that the ability to share a body of code between add-ons is useful. |
| 16:57.48 | Tain | Ace was a great idea that got overwhelmed by overdesign. |
| 16:58.13 | alestane | But eh whole AceOO architecture seems like it requires more work than it saves. |
| 17:05.30 | toggster | Can I only write to SavedVariables or can I create log files, other save files etc? |
| 17:06.01 | alestane | SavedVariables is pretty much it. |
| 17:06.23 | nevcairiel | thats why we ditched Ace2 and wrote Ace3 which doesnt have those flaws =P |
| 17:06.34 | toggster | OK. Thanks. |
| 17:06.40 | nevcairiel | which is more of a set of libraries then a "framework" |
| 17:08.00 | alestane | That sounds somewhat more useful. |
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| 17:12.04 | alestane | But right how I'm trying to help out someone who's trying to modify the behavior of PolMonitor, and I can't even find the implementation of the functionality he's trying to modify. |
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| 17:14.36 | Lunessa | Amateur programmer, hacking another amateur's work, using a library/framework set neither fully understands ... sounds like a three advil problem to me. |
| 17:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, are you searching PolMonitor, or elsewhere? 'cause if you have to go outside of his code, make HIM do the work! |
| 17:15.08 | Corr-work | i did that all the time, man |
| 17:15.27 | alestane | I'm looking through the distribution folder for PolMonitor. |
| 17:18.20 | alestane | Okay, I have to shoot him now. |
| 17:18.22 | foxlit | What's an advil? |
| 17:18.35 | alestane | That text is being added to PolMonitor by some other add-on. |
| 17:19.04 | alestane | foxlit: What Wile. E. Coyote needs after he drops an anvil on his head. |
| 17:19.58 | foxlit | "... is used for relief of symptoms of arthritis, primary dysmenorrhea, fever, and as an analgesic, especially where there is an inflammatory component." |
| 17:20.06 | alestane | The text he wants to modify appears to be part of OmniCC and not PolMonitor at all. |
| 17:20.31 | alestane | "and as an analgesic" |
| 17:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'd say that amateur addon authors are the inflammatory component. |
| 17:20.36 | Lopeppeppy | OmniCC is awesome stuff. |
| 17:20.39 | Shirik | foxlit: Ibuprofen |
| 17:20.51 | mikma | lopeppeppy: i'm using OmniCC_Basic :) |
| 17:21.32 | Lunessa | foxlit: Basically it is a brand name for an ibuprofen pill. |
| 17:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | Is OmniCC all ace-ified? I guess I never noticed. |
| 17:24.09 | mikma | humm |
| 17:24.17 | mikma | mikma@ydin:~/ui/AddOns/OmniCC_Basic$ ls |
| 17:24.17 | mikma | OmniCC_Basic.toc basic.lua |
| 17:24.26 | mikma | doesn't look like ace-addon |
| 17:24.36 | mikma | not sure about the complex omnicc but this basic ain't :) |
| 17:24.56 | Lopeppeppy | Might explain why the person is having trouble modifying it with Ace items, huh? |
| 17:25.00 | Shirik | C:\Games\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\OmniCC>ls ./libs |
| 17:25.00 | Shirik | CallbackHandler-1.0 LibSharedMedia-3.0 LibStub |
| 17:25.07 | mikma | http://tullamods.googlecode.com/svn/OmniCC/trunk/OmniCC/embeds.xml |
| 17:25.10 | alestane | Okay, after wondering why non of the satyrs drop Demonic Runes I suddenly get three in a row. |
| 17:25.11 | mikma | yeah shirik |
| 17:25.42 | mikma | the Basic -version of OmniCC is just <3 |
| 17:26.17 | alestane | No, they're having trouble because they're trying to modify OmniCC functionality being added to PolMonitor by looking in PolMonitor. |
| 17:26.42 | mikma | ya |
| 17:27.12 | alestane | Is there an addon that lets me pick a recipe and watch it like a quest? |
| 17:27.59 | alestane | i.e. something on my screen like "Bolts of Runecloth: 12/12; Felcloth: 17/40; Essence of Fire: 0/10..."? |
| 17:28.08 | mikma | yea i've seen one |
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| 17:33.08 | alestane | It always ends in the pounce. |
| 17:33.09 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info11517-BuffWarn.html |
| 17:33.43 | mikma | alestane: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7021-LootCount.html |
| 17:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | No, the pounce is only the beginning. Silly monkey. |
| 17:34.04 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8074-FarmIt.html |
| 17:34.07 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4671-LootTracker.html |
| 17:34.46 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: That depends on what's ending and what's beginning. But the pounce is generally a terminus of some kind. |
| 17:35.56 | Lopeppeppy | *mournful nod* My game is funner. |
| 17:36.17 | alestane | I don't doubt that. |
| 17:36.31 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 17:36.57 | Lunessa | ... Seerah + Peppy + Pounce + Only the Beginning = Lunessa needs a video camera. |
| 17:37.01 | alestane | mikma: Those don't llok bad, but I'd like something that takes its counts from a recipe, instead of me having to set it up myself. |
| 17:38.02 | mikma | well that's something i haven't seen |
| 17:38.28 | alestane | I'll give you credit for trying though. |
| 17:39.08 | Lopeppeppy | Silly old Lunessa. Still photography only, no flash. |
| 17:39.46 | Lunessa | ... Tripod mounted camera. |
| 17:40.40 | alestane | "The use of video cameras or other recording devices during the performance is strictly prohibited." |
| 17:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... alestane has read the contract. |
| 17:41.38 | alestane | Been to enough concerts and plays, anyway. |
| 17:42.04 | Lopeppeppy | it'll do, rabbit, it'll do. |
| 17:42.14 | alestane | "Rabbit?" |
| 17:42.25 | Lopeppeppy | Bugs Bunny quote. |
| 17:42.43 | alestane | Ah. Surprised it doesn't ring more of a bell then. |
| 17:43.00 | Lopeppeppy | Ding ding. |
| 17:44.11 | alestane | <*BONG*> |
| 17:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | No, that's illegal. |
| 17:45.09 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121808_194409.jpg :DD |
| 17:47.46 | Kraps | my first new northrend helm |
| 17:47.56 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 17:48.27 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27520 since bc |
| 17:49.08 | Kraps | getting http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44040 |
| 17:50.07 | Kraps | phasing is too awesome, i'm not worthy |
| 17:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | Phasing? |
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| 17:51.52 | Shirik | Phasing is pretty awesome |
| 17:51.52 | Kraps | yeah, thing is not there > do quest > thing is there |
| 17:52.08 | alestane | Putting mobs and players into different "levels" of an area some not everyone can see everyone else. |
| 17:52.22 | Shirik | Did the wrath gate chain, Lopeppeppy? |
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| 17:52.38 | Lopeppeppy | Don't even know what a wrath gate is, Shirik. |
| 17:52.40 | alestane | They used an early version of it in the Mana Cells daily for Sunwell. |
| 17:52.42 | Shirik | ok um |
| 17:53.01 | Shirik | I don't have any other good examples :( |
| 17:53.31 | Seerah | death knight starting area |
| 17:53.32 | Shirik | Like I have other examples but not really notable |
| 17:53.36 | Shirik | Oh yes |
| 17:53.40 | Shirik | have you made a DK? |
| 17:53.58 | Shirik | OR! Have you done the Argent Crusade quests? |
| 17:54.19 | alestane | For instance, the reps have mentioned the possibility of having Stormwind set up so that when you go to the throne room, if you haven't done the Windsor line yet, you see Bolvar Fordragon and Katrana Prestor. But if you had, you'd see Varian Wrynn. This example isn't in there now but they described it on the Beta forums. |
| 17:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Now I get it. Yes, I've done the instanced DK quest line. |
| 17:55.21 | Seerah | you know how zones have changed because of dailies in the past? Like the isle of quel'danis or around ahn qiraj |
| 17:56.01 | alestane | DKs at different stages of that quest arc are moving through the same instance, but they don't see the mobs and conditions at other stages of the invasion. |
| 17:56.08 | Shirik | But you know what's awesome about phasing? Someone was trying to help me on a quest and we were in different phases, so I couldn't see him obviously. But every time he mounted on his mammoth |
| 17:56.13 | Shirik | I could see his mammoth, but not him |
| 17:56.19 | Shirik | so it was just this mammoth running around randomly |
| 17:56.33 | Kraps | lol |
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| 17:57.15 | alestane | Some folks were doing the achievement to kill Sylvanas; one guy went down while he still had the quest that phased him out for Undercity, she couldn't see anyone else in the raid, but he still got the achievement credit. |
| 17:57.26 | Kraps | i'm at 92,000+ tankpoints |
| 17:57.40 | Shirik | heh nice |
| 17:57.41 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.46 | Shirik | wait, alliance has to do that too? |
| 17:57.56 | Shirik | I didn't know that |
| 17:58.09 | nevcairiel | the battle for undercity? |
| 17:58.11 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 17:58.20 | Shirik | why does alliance care :/ |
| 17:58.24 | alestane | I haven't done it, but I've heard that there's a quest that requires you to go search Undercity. But they phase you out so you don't get ganked. |
| 17:58.37 | Shirik | If I were alliance I'd be "lol u lost ur city 2 ur own guyz" |
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| 17:59.24 | nevcairiel | alliance only goes in there to defeat that evil forsaken guy |
| 17:59.28 | nevcairiel | not to save the damn city |
| 17:59.48 | nevcairiel | you know, he killed our people at the wrath gate too |
| 18:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. |
| 18:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | So there. Neener neener. |
| 18:00.19 | Kraps | thats the epic quest i keep hearing about? |
| 18:00.37 | alestane | (Peppy doesn't mind having no idea what she's talking about) |
| 18:01.09 | Kraps | where does the line start? |
| 18:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | (not at all. I'm about the only person not 80 yet, I'm always clueless about LK content) |
| 18:01.34 | Lunessa | Under-f'sking-city use dto be Lorderon - OF COURSE the Alliance wants it back. |
| 18:01.59 | ccox | you're not the only one who's not to 80 yet |
| 18:02.00 | alestane | I'm only 74 myself. |
| 18:02.30 | nevcairiel | 74 is a perfect level to do it |
| 18:02.31 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 18:02.34 | Lunessa | Phasing = awesomeness. Solves the "nothing ever changes" problem MMOs have. Well, party. |
| 18:02.48 | alestane | Lunessa: It addresses it, anyway. |
| 18:03.05 | Lunessa | It's better than most other games anyway. |
| 18:03.15 | Lopeppeppy | have to start somewhere |
| 18:03.41 | alestane | It breaks up the division between "things never change" and "things only change for everyone, everywhere." |
| 18:04.31 | alestane | "You've been standing here harassing everyone going by for boar tucks for two years now. Face it, you're NEVER BUILDING that damn trebuchet!" |
| 18:05.05 | alestane | tusks* |
| 18:05.45 | Shirik | Error: name clash: setStatus(java.lang.String) and setStatus(java.lang.String) have the same erasure |
| 18:05.52 | Shirik | Now I know what the error is, but wtf is an erasure? |
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| 18:06.03 | Kraps | what stat affects thunderclap damage? |
| 18:06.09 | alestane | I was wondering that myself. |
| 18:06.16 | Lunessa | Attack Power? |
| 18:06.18 | alestane | What an erasure is, that is. |
| 18:07.16 | Lunessa | lunch time. |
| 18:07.57 | alestane | There we go. 10 demonic runes. |
| 18:07.58 | Shirik | Erasure are an English synth pop duo formed by songwriter and keyboardist Vince Clarke and singer Andy Bell in 1985. It was the third successful pop group co-formed by Clarke (Depeche Mode and Yazoo being the first two). |
| 18:08.14 | alestane | Just need blue sapphires now. |
| 18:08.47 | Shirik | here it is alestane |
| 18:08.51 | Shirik | "Generics are checked at compile-time for type correctness. The generic type information is then removed via a process called type erasure. For example, List<Integer> will be converted to the raw type (non-generic type) List, which can contain arbitrary objects. However, due to the compile-time check, the resulting code is guaranteed to be type correct, as long as the code generated no unchecked compiler warnings." |
| 18:09.05 | Seerah | Here you go, guys! :) http://gpsinformation.info/main/merryxmas.swf |
| 18:10.27 | Shirik | hahaha! My dog is so smart |
| 18:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | dogs are wicked smart |
| 18:11.13 | Shirik | The younger (My mom's) dog generally jumps up on the futon I have in my room. UPS came and he went downstairs to bark at him. So my dog saw the opportunity and jumped up on the futon and layed down there in his place. |
| 18:11.14 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, what are you making? |
| 18:11.29 | alestane | I have to check the name of it. |
| 18:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | you don't even know? |
| 18:12.36 | alestane | A Demon Forged Breastplate. |
| 18:13.04 | alestane | I remember what it looks like, what it does and what I need for it. I didn't remember what it's called. |
| 18:13.32 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you need it? |
| 18:13.51 | Kraps | WHAT DO WE WANT? A FP! WHERE DO WE WANT IT? NORTHERN ICECROWN! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? SOON (TM)! |
| 18:13.54 | alestane | I probably don't, but it's a cool item flavor-wise for a DK and it's nice-looking. |
| 18:14.22 | zenzelezz | Kraps: what about Shadow Vault? |
| 18:14.43 | alestane | Meh, it doesn't do anything for your appearance to wear thigh-highs with red winter clothes. |
| 18:14.59 | nevcairiel | I dont want to be dismounted when flying in high altitude above wintergrasp :( |
| 18:15.05 | zenzelezz | alestane: but your co-workers look at you funny if you do |
| 18:15.24 | Kraps | zenzelezz: omw there for the first time tbh, theres one there? |
| 18:15.27 | alestane | If you do it in physical presence, yes. |
| 18:15.30 | nevcairiel | wtb fast transport to sholazas |
| 18:15.37 | nevcairiel | Kraps: you have to quest some to unlock it |
| 18:15.40 | zenzelezz | Kraps: when you've done the quests that "unlock" it, yes |
| 18:15.40 | nevcairiel | phasing etc |
| 18:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr for leggings in the winter. |
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| 18:16.31 | Kraps | nothing to see here, move along... |
| 18:17.00 | zenzelezz | you should do those quests anyway, unlocks dailies there |
| 18:17.16 | Kraps | then atlasf needs to be updated |
| 18:19.16 | Kraps | zenzelezz: ebon blade dailies? |
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| 18:20.17 | zenzelezz | Kraps: yup |
| 18:20.30 | Kraps | cool |
| 18:21.57 | Shirik | Jesus |
| 18:22.04 | Shirik | Netbeans has gotten way too smart for its own good |
| 18:22.20 | Kraps | i'm still only halfway to revered with wyrmrest accord /gripe |
| 18:23.14 | Kraps | and about 2000g short of epic flying |
| 18:23.22 | Shirik | It even autocompletes comments now http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9f032a5e185a6b556bd30176c3e5a6d7.jpg |
| 18:24.38 | Dashkal | Shirik: About time. Eclipse has been doing that for a good while now |
| 18:24.46 | Shirik | Yeah but Eclipse is crap |
| 18:24.48 | Corr-work | netbeans :D |
| 18:24.53 | Dashkal | Netbeans is crap |
| 18:24.56 | Corr-work | i appreciate both IDE's, no mistake |
| 18:24.58 | Shirik | Eclipse is crap |
| 18:25.05 | Corr-work | your mom is crap |
| 18:25.19 | Corr-work | i just Went There |
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| 18:25.48 | Shirik | That being said, I did use Eclipse for some advice on this project :) |
| 18:25.57 | Shirik | Eclipse uses OSGi, and so am I :) |
| 18:26.14 | Dashkal | OSGi is very cool. I was surprised at how lightweight that thing is |
| 18:27.32 | Kraps | its the fucking eye of sauron |
| 18:27.43 | Shirik | Well |
| 18:27.57 | Shirik | I was amazed at how easy everything was |
| 18:27.58 | Dashkal | Though when I work with pure OSGi, I find myself missing Eclipse-style extension points. Need to learn them better. DS looks good but I've never studied it |
| 18:28.04 | Corr-work | hmmm? now i want to know what osgi is :( |
| 18:28.17 | Dashkal | JVM Component framework |
| 18:28.20 | Shirik | I mean, I thought I had to do a lot more work to the point where I wrote an entire class to load JAR files, only to find out OSGi does that for you :( |
| 18:28.24 | Dashkal | originally designed for embedded systems |
| 18:28.30 | Shirik | Corr-work: I'm using it to provide modular support |
| 18:28.43 | Shirik | People can create modules which I dynamically load into my program |
| 18:28.52 | Shirik | And you only install the modules that deal with what you want |
| 18:29.04 | foxlit | I can has keylogger module? |
| 18:29.05 | Corr-work | ah. |
| 18:29.16 | Shirik | It loads them on-the-fly, etc. |
| 18:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | I can has keylogger module that loads on the fly? Sweet. |
| 18:32.26 | zenzelezz | you can key-log me any day |
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| 18:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe.. http://notalwaysright.com/the-final-step-is-acceptance/1394 |
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| 18:50.12 | Sixen | Lawl, win. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13723762454 |
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| 18:51.54 | Corr-work | lul. |
| 18:55.09 | NightHawkTheSane | maaven must love his/her job. |
| 18:56.04 | Lopeppeppy | Haven't seen anyone so snarky since Tseric and some of Zarhym's stuff. :) |
| 18:56.43 | Gnarfoz | Tseric was a god :O |
| 18:57.47 | Dashkal | Still don't understand that sentiment... He was a man who wasn't well suited to the job and it broke him. I certainly wish him well, but I don't understand the worship... |
| 18:58.41 | ccox | I wonder at what point they stop hiring people to help customers, and hire a comedian to abuse customers - just to keep the better customers entertained? |
| 18:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think he was "unsuited". I think the job just breaks people. |
| 18:59.18 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: that could be the case as well. |
| 18:59.23 | Dashkal | I know it would break me for sure |
| 18:59.38 | frop | dello, someone using IHateTabard? |
| 19:00.33 | mikma | btw, is 'Dame' the 'Sir'-rank for women in UK? |
| 19:00.43 | pastamancer | customer support has a ridiculous burn-out rate |
| 19:00.45 | Gnarfoz | should be, yes |
| 19:00.55 | Gnarfoz | or wait |
| 19:01.04 | Gnarfoz | Knight -> Dame, Sir -> Lady |
| 19:01.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 19:01.27 | mikma | gnarfoz: damn ^^ |
| 19:01.28 | Gnarfoz | pastamancer: 100% true :X |
| 19:01.55 | pastamancer | I'd rather flip burgers than listen to people bitch and moan all day |
| 19:02.03 | Dashkal | pastamancer: agreed |
| 19:04.52 | alestane | Most people would, although burger-flipping often ends up involving some customer service. It's simply not a situation most people can endure for very long; it's an emotionally toxic environment. |
| 19:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | Highly toxic. |
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| 19:09.30 | mikma | hey, umm, is the duration / lenght of wintergrasp some kind of default time or does it change all the time? |
| 19:09.56 | frop | it's always 40min |
| 19:10.08 | frop | if defender keeps up for 40m, they win |
| 19:10.15 | Lunessa | Flipping burgers is soul-crushing. |
| 19:10.25 | frop | btw, my zonein problem, seems solved :P |
| 19:10.36 | frop | could be Nauticus the problem |
| 19:10.47 | Shirik | I was a "Community Relations Officer" for an online game for a while |
| 19:10.52 | Shirik | that um.... |
| 19:10.57 | Shirik | was an interesting experience to say the least |
| 19:10.59 | mikma | well :P |
| 19:11.17 | mikma | i was just thinking that are there some kind of fixed times for the start of wintergrasp |
| 19:12.51 | zenzelezz | where did all the orc death knights on my realm go :-| |
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| 19:13.37 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Hiding from the snowflakes |
| 19:13.48 | zenzelezz | Shirik: probably |
| 19:13.53 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 19:14.29 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom snowflakes. |
| 19:16.53 | alestane | Anyone else here get email through Comcast? |
| 19:17.13 | Droolio | frop: zone-in lockups? ye i fixed that in latest alpha... |
| 19:17.50 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, I saw a friend complaining about not getting his Comcast emails.... |
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| 19:18.30 | alestane | Sometimes my mail client just can't connect, or gets back "wrong password" responses. |
| 19:18.55 | Droolio | frop: zone-in lockups? ye i fixed that in latest alpha... |
| 19:20.21 | Dotted | anyone know of an addon that watches and announces knockback abilities used by players in raids? |
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| 19:24.36 | Shirik | Heh |
| 19:25.01 | Shirik | I just wrote 120 lines of code, 6 of which are actual code; the rest are comments |
| 19:25.05 | Shirik | documentation ftw |
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| 19:26.16 | Parreirat | hi :) |
| 19:26.24 | Parreirat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.25 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 19:26.33 | Parreirat | lol morning? its night.. D: |
| 19:26.43 | Lopeppeppy | OneBag. EngBag if it's still around. |
| 19:26.43 | Lopeppeppy | ~ugt |
| 19:26.43 | purl | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 19:26.50 | Parreirat | I used to use it: it had a whole list of categories and I prioritized some over the others in the order I wanted it ordered |
| 19:26.59 | mikma | ~ugh |
| 19:27.00 | purl | grog make fire, or dragging your feet in frustration |
| 19:27.03 | Parreirat | lol wth ugh? |
| 19:27.21 | Parreirat | I see xD |
| 19:27.25 | Parreirat | Lopeppeppy are you sure? |
| 19:27.30 | Parreirat | it was a simple addon |
| 19:27.33 | Lopeppeppy | Not sure how well the others will organize by your categories, but searching for "bag" on the addon websites will get you the things that are out there now. |
| 19:27.44 | Parreirat | kk I'll try ty :) |
| 19:27.55 | mikma | purl: no, ugh is peace pipe, white man |
| 19:27.56 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 19:27.58 | Kaelten | Parreirat: OneBag doesn't have a sorting plugin yet, but it will soon |
| 19:28.11 | Parreirat | ah |
| 19:28.11 | mikma | kaelten: did you see the error i pasted for you? |
| 19:28.16 | Parreirat | I used one which had.. over 1 year ago! |
| 19:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | Lots has changed in a year, Parreirat. |
| 19:28.34 | Parreirat | heh |
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| 19:28.42 | Parreirat | wouldn't any simple addon that does sorting still be out there? |
| 19:28.46 | Kaelten | mikma: yes, but I'm not sure..... can't remember which one it was |
| 19:29.13 | mikma | kaelten: [03:27:57] Interface\AddOns\OneBank3\OneBank3.lua:261: attempt to index field 'buttons' (a nil value) |
| 19:29.26 | mikma | kaelten: this happened to me when i moved stuff around in bank (normal bank) |
| 19:29.44 | Kaelten | mikma: should be fixed in my latest commits |
| 19:29.52 | mikma | kaelten: danke! |
| 19:30.03 | mikma | kaelten: also, what's the "sort" in the options? |
| 19:30.04 | Kaelten | if not, let me know |
| 19:30.16 | Lopeppeppy | Parreirat, check the addons sites for "bag" and you'll see what's updated and out there. I told you the 2 I remember off the top of my head. |
| 19:30.17 | Kaelten | mikma: hrm? |
| 19:30.23 | mikma | latest commits as in, curseforge svn? |
| 19:30.50 | Kaelten | http://www.wowace.com/projects/onebank3/ |
| 19:30.52 | mikma | kaelten: options -> plugins. there's Sorting |
| 19:30.53 | Kaelten | try 3.0.4 |
| 19:31.03 | Kaelten | so there is :) |
| 19:31.12 | mikma | how does it work? :) |
| 19:31.25 | Kaelten | well the one that's there, simple, is the default one |
| 19:31.38 | Kaelten | that just does it in the order of slots per bag |
| 19:31.43 | mikma | i can enable it, but not disable. :D |
| 19:31.48 | Kaelten | well actually... |
| 19:31.51 | Kaelten | it's always enabled |
| 19:31.57 | Kaelten | there is a bug that makes you think it's disabled |
| 19:32.03 | mikma | omho, remove from plugins |
| 19:32.04 | mikma | imho* |
| 19:32.16 | Kaelten | wouldn't make sense |
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| 19:32.25 | Kaelten | you'd want it to be available to switch back to |
| 19:32.42 | mikma | ok imagine this: you have plugins that you can't disable. why are they plugins then? |
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| 19:33.02 | Kaelten | more to the point, one sort plugin must always be enabled |
| 19:33.33 | mikma | so this is just beta-phase because you will add more plugins that can be selected |
| 19:33.47 | Kaelten | and of course other people can write plugins if they want |
| 19:33.52 | mikma | also offtopic... |
| 19:33.54 | mikma | "The battle for Wintergrasp has a set time limit of 45 minutes, within which the attackers must capture the keep. If either the keep falls or the time limit expires, Wintergrasp will enter a two and a half hour cooldown period in order to allow attackers and defenders to regroup," |
| 19:34.09 | mikma | so basicly wintergrasp starts every 3h 15min |
| 19:34.21 | Kaelten | no |
| 19:34.24 | Kaelten | if we take a keep in 5 mins |
| 19:34.31 | Kaelten | then it starts 2.5 hours after that |
| 19:34.37 | mikma | god damnit |
| 19:34.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yup |
| 19:35.27 | Dashkal | I would love to see some sort of UI call we could make that gives us all these little global goodies. When is the next wintergrasp? When is the next Bone Wastes? What is the heroic daily? |
| 19:35.27 | mikma | that'll completely spoil any timers i had in my mind |
| 19:36.00 | frop | Droolio, was Nauticus then? |
| 19:36.31 | Droolio | frop: yea. fired too many map updated during zone. tried to draw multiple times (eep) |
| 19:36.45 | Droolio | map updates events* |
| 19:36.56 | Kaelten | mikma: you could do a timer from the last time it was seen to fall |
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| 19:37.07 | frop | well, just installed alpha and tested it :) |
| 19:37.09 | alestane | Well, how does the PvP Objectives display get its timer? |
| 19:37.11 | Kaelten | even have the end event broadcast in your guild's addon channel etc |
| 19:37.11 | frop | works fine now |
| 19:37.22 | Droolio | cool :) |
| 19:38.01 | Ose | Kaelten: links to shineh new OneStuff please? |
| 19:38.31 | Kaelten | www.wowace.com/projects/OneBag3 www.wowace.com/projects/OneBank3 |
| 19:39.08 | mikma | apparently there's Wintergrasper -addon |
| 19:39.57 | ReAn | no pictures Kaelten? |
| 19:40.07 | Kaelten | no, I need to upload some :s |
| 19:40.16 | alestane | Welp, gotta go hang out with AV people for a little while. |
| 19:40.16 | Kaelten | I've got a vacation coming up soon |
| 19:40.18 | Ose | thanks |
| 19:40.35 | Kaelten | hoping to polish things up during that |
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| 19:44.53 | Aelobin | http://i38.tinypic.com/juz953.jpeg |
| 19:45.47 | mikma | old like shoes |
| 19:46.45 | Aelobin | ^^ |
| 19:47.27 | Aelobin | seen this one? |
| 19:47.29 | Aelobin | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vVfhjfvrVtM |
| 19:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously old. |
| 19:49.23 | Aelobin | =o :( |
| 19:49.27 | Cide | yeah. seriously. |
| 19:49.40 | Aelobin | i must catch up then xD |
| 19:49.54 | Dashkal | I love GC sometimes: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/13723833138-do-devs-post-as-nonblues.html |
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| 19:54.16 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* when i spill hot chocolate, i do it -spectacularly-. Two monitors, two keyboards, most of my desk, my mouse, and part of the wall all covered >< |
| 19:54.27 | Tekkub | gg |
| 19:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. Nice shooting, Tex. |
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| 19:56.54 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#china |
| 19:57.03 | mikma | lol wut? |
| 19:57.22 | zenzelezz | didn't you hear about the restrictions imposed in China? |
| 19:57.26 | mikma | nope |
| 19:57.33 | zenzelezz | was some buzz when they introduced it a while ago |
| 19:57.50 | zenzelezz | if you're logged on for more than 3 hours or something you don't gain XP, among other things... unless they changed all that |
| 19:58.03 | mikma | lolo, what the hell |
| 19:58.11 | mikma | is that to remove chinafarming? :D |
| 19:58.26 | ReAn | no |
| 19:58.28 | zenzelezz | they don't like the idea of games being addictive |
| 19:58.32 | zenzelezz | so they try to impose limits |
| 19:58.32 | Lopeppeppy | Conforms to their social standards. |
| 19:58.38 | ReAn | it's to stop idiots from spending 20+ hours ingame and forgetting to eat |
| 19:58.46 | mikma | ahahaaa |
| 19:58.46 | zenzelezz | it's the Chinese authorities forcing it on Blizzard |
| 19:59.04 | mikma | that might be the reason why they don't have wrath atm |
| 19:59.19 | zenzelezz | took them long enough to get BC IIRC |
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| 20:03.38 | mikma | [22:02:30] GetGossipText() => "Greetings, death knight.\n\nWhen the Alliance controls Wintergrasp Fortress, I will open a portal for those who wish to travel there.\n\nThe next battle begins in 0:13:50." |
| 20:03.57 | mikma | so what's the match(text) that i should use for the time? :O |
| 20:08.37 | mikma | there we go :) |
| 20:11.04 | mikma | meh :) if UnitName("target") == "Arcanist Braedin" then local time = GetGossipText():match("%d:%d%d:%d%d") print(time) end |
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| 20:11.15 | Lunessa | lulz. |
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| 20:21.05 | Hirsute | So, I'm writing an addon to filter chat messages that contain specific words. I'll store the words in a blacklist. Would it be more efficient to loop through the blacklist in the filter function doing a string find against the message for each blacklisted word, or to split the message up and check the blacklist table for a key matching each word in the message? |
| 20:21.57 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... there's one that's similar, I think it's.. Bad Boy? You could take a peek and see how it's handled there. |
| 20:22.37 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: Thanks for the suggestion.. I'll look into it. |
| 20:23.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: off hand, i'd say split the message, and check each word against the blacklist (assuming it's set up as { 'word' => true} or similar it should be easy) |
| 20:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, check out bad boy, and you can always run tests doing both and see the difference |
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| 20:27.07 | Lunessa | For chat, use whichever is faster. Busy areas (Barens Chat, Trade, etc.) could have you doing a lot of look ups. |
| 20:28.37 | Hirsute | Lunessa: That's what I was mostly asking, which would be faster, in general. This is specifically intended to function in Trade (filter out messages with words like "Recruit", "Anal" or "Norris", for example) |
| 20:29.05 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, at that point you may as well turn off trade ;) |
| 20:29.23 | Lunessa | I think NHtS nailed it. :) But I haven't run tests on the two methods to see which is actually faster. |
| 20:30.13 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: Except it would leave all the messages in Trade that I want to see, the ones that actually involve /trade/ |
| 20:30.18 | Hirsute | :) |
| 20:30.44 | NightHawkTheSane | people actually use trade chat for TRADE? you're putting me on.. |
| 20:31.10 | Dashkal | [Blacksmithing] LFW became pretty common... |
| 20:31.28 | Dashkal | If the trade UI wasn't so hard to use, that'd be useful to me.. |
| 20:32.02 | Dashkal | WTB Addon that can take a JC link, and show me all the gems with a given stat on them :p |
| 20:32.36 | Dashkal | also WTB an addon that remembers crafting profession links |
| 20:35.53 | Dashkal | Has anybody documented profession links yet? Flipping around wowwiki isn't helping much |
| 20:36.16 | Kraps | http://www.mmoepics.com/?vcn=google&vcad=mmoepicsmmoimage?mmoepics.mmoimage |
| 20:36.19 | Kraps | wow |
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| 20:37.27 | NightHawkTheSane | fascinating |
| 20:37.53 | Dashkal | ok, glad I just updated firefox... that's the sort of site I fear going to |
| 20:38.12 | Kraps | hey its legit! |
| 20:38.35 | Dashkal | oh good. Traces of engrish "Not 80 but desire T7" |
| 20:38.37 | mikma | dashkal: why not just type "spirit" in the search field? |
| 20:38.39 | Lunessa | their style sheet is fubar |
| 20:38.55 | Dashkal | mikma: *blinks* oh god I feel stupid... |
| 20:39.08 | Kraps | ide rather have them farm gold for epic flying tbh |
| 20:39.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pat Dashkal |
| 20:39.17 | purl | ACTION pats Dashkal and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 20:39.23 | mikma | dashkal: of course without the "" but .. that's how i searched for my resilience gems ;) |
| 20:40.00 | Dashkal | Now I just need to find/make an addon that remembers profession links so I can stop pestering the guild JCs to link me every time I need to see the list |
| 20:40.07 | mikma | dashkal: TinyPad |
| 20:40.15 | mikma | it now remembers profession-links and such |
| 20:40.36 | mikma | dashkal: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4417-TinyPad.html |
| 20:40.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: make me a good UI for displaying the saved links, and i'lll write the rest of it. :P that's pretty much the main thing thats holding me back from adding it to TradeBook |
| 20:40.43 | mikma | dashkal: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw21029.png |
| 20:41.24 | Kraps | is BigWigs like DBM? |
| 20:41.25 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: "make me a good UI". Yeah, not happening. I simply lack the skill |
| 20:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: and thus you see my delay ;) |
| 20:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps: Yes. |
| 20:42.16 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: quantify good. |
| 20:42.27 | Dashkal | mikma: thanks for the tip on tinypad. That'll do the job |
| 20:42.35 | mikma | dashkal: yw :) |
| 20:42.45 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: as long as it's functional, reasonably sane to navigate, and not a mess of drop-down menues thats probably close enough for me |
| 20:42.57 | foxlit | Yeah, but what does it actually have to do? |
| 20:43.07 | Kraps | just joined a raiding guild, officer said i need bigwigs, in ginfo it says you need DBM... |
| 20:43.21 | foxlit | Kraps: ignore them both and use [head] |
| 20:43.27 | Kraps | heh |
| 20:43.53 | foxlit | They're both bossmods that provide you with far more spam than you typically need. |
| 20:43.55 | Kraps | never raided before so i wanna follow the rules |
| 20:44.08 | foxlit | Rule Three: don't do stupid things. |
| 20:44.09 | frop | get BigWigs |
| 20:44.38 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: Well, its storing trade links, and associating them with a person. The UI would be one of two things: shows you a list of people, and the tradeskill (links) they know, or a list of tradeskills and the links for the people that have that tradeskill. |
| 20:45.10 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: but don't all links look the same? Why would you want to see a list of them? |
| 20:45.17 | mikma | anyone got any clever functions to turn this into minutes: 2:25:00 (h:mm:ss) |
| 20:45.32 | foxlit | mikma: :match() tonumber() * |
| 20:45.35 | foxlit | + |
| 20:46.03 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: eh? Well, you'd either be seeing "Some Person -> Blacksmithing, Enchanting, Cooking", or "Blacksmithing -> Person A, Person B, Person C" |
| 20:46.10 | mikma | foxlit: i managed to split it already, but now i'm lacking the function to convert the time into minutes |
| 20:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | the actual displayed text for the link is perfectly arbitrary |
| 20:46.24 | foxlit | mikma: h*60+m |
| 20:46.51 | mikma | foxlit: oh.. doesn't seem to be that hard. moment |
| 20:46.59 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: well, if you want to do it that way, SimpleHTML and ScrollFrame would do the trick. |
| 20:47.35 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. I've not used either |
| 20:47.40 | foxlit | But, probably, people don't want to see "Hey, who's got Blacksmithing" |
| 20:47.42 | Kraps | "questhelper has broken" awesome job |
| 20:47.49 | foxlit | But rather "Hey, who could craft me a [blah]" |
| 20:48.08 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, that's a far more complex problem, isn't it? |
| 20:48.14 | mikma | foxlit: now how about seconds? |
| 20:48.19 | foxlit | Yes, but it has the up side of actually being useful |
| 20:48.28 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: h*360+m*60+s? :P |
| 20:48.37 | foxlit | mikma: what about them? If you're converting to minutes, simply truncating them is just as valid as anything else. |
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| 20:49.00 | Remaxer | hiho |
| 20:49.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i think i missed a 0 in there, but meh |
| 20:49.09 | mikma | foxlit: well i messed up when i said i need to convert it into minutes, i need to convert it into seconds :D |
| 20:49.39 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane's solution works, then, if you change 360 into 3600. |
| 20:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: Eh, i disagree that its not totally -unuseful- to store trade links for other people. It |
| 20:50.22 | NightHawkTheSane | But i think, for the amount of work it'd take, it's the saner solution than trying to parse every tradeskill you see and compile that into a list of who knows what |
| 20:50.33 | mikma | lua> local h,m,s = 2,25,00; print(h*3600+m*60+s) |
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| 20:50.34 | lua_bot | mikma: 8700 |
| 20:50.39 | foxlit | Doesn't someone somewhere already know how to deconstruct those into item ids? |
| 20:50.40 | mikma | that is correct right? |
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| 20:50.52 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:51.00 | mikma | thanks folks :) |
| 20:51.23 | mikma | and damn how i enjoy wintergrasp for some twisted reason |
| 20:51.47 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: I think Maldivia wrote a proof-of-concept mod to build tradeskill links, so presumably he figured that out. I honestly haven't looked to see how complex it is, though. |
| 20:53.33 | Kraps | Tekkub: is on? |
| 20:53.42 | Kraps | yes duh |
| 20:53.51 | foxlit | But anyhow, displaying static lists of links is relatively simple |
| 20:54.02 | Tekkub | crash |
| 20:54.06 | Tekkub | *crack |
| 20:54.18 | foxlit | See http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_SimpleHTML |
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| 20:54.23 | Kraps | GG reading the chat list like a glist |
| 20:54.25 | Tekkub | wait, no, just Barqs... not even on caffine yet |
| 20:55.20 | Thunder_Child | barqs > * |
| 20:55.21 | Kraps | Tekkub: you developed bigwigs first |
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| 20:55.34 | Tekkub | Kraps, statement of the obvious |
| 20:56.34 | Kraps | so in your objective opinion, whats better bigwigs or DBM? |
| 20:56.53 | Hirsute | is there an easy way to take the list that results from strsplit and put it in a table? |
| 20:57.22 | Kirov | I prefer bigwigs because I find DBM to be too much. |
| 20:57.28 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 20:57.39 | Kraps | too much info? |
| 20:57.59 | Kirov | just too much everything |
| 20:58.04 | Thunder_Child | i has both |
| 20:58.05 | Lopeppeppy | Prefer Bigwigs, it seemed a bit more lightweight and easier for me to work with in terms of options. |
| 20:58.11 | Dashkal | DBM and BigWigs have different feature lists (DBM has a few things BigWigs doesn't) |
| 20:58.14 | Lopeppeppy | I think DBM had an overcomplex menu system. |
| 20:58.37 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: y u has both? |
| 20:58.52 | Tem|work | Lopeppeppy: and you think BigWigs has a -better- menu system? |
| 20:59.02 | Tem|work | 17 levels of dropdown hell is NOT a good menu system |
| 20:59.14 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, like Dashkal said, they have slightly different sets of info |
| 20:59.31 | Thunder_Child | enough to make it worthwhile |
| 20:59.36 | Kraps | <--- noob needs halp |
| 20:59.47 | Lunessa | I don't use either. I've used both. Now I just don't bother. |
| 20:59.49 | Tem|work | hmm |
| 20:59.56 | Tem|work | Does BigWigs still use Ace2? |
| 20:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | oh for fucks sake. > < |
| 21:00.16 | NightHawkTheSane | I think my keyboard is busted. |
| 21:00.30 | Dewin | no,Ithinkmineisfarmorebrokenthanyours. |
| 21:00.30 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, you are typing.... |
| 21:00.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: on a different keyboard. |
| 21:00.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Synergy ftw. |
| 21:00.52 | Stanzilla | Tem|work: yes |
| 21:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Tem, I just found it easier to configure. *gentle shrug* Haven't tried it in about 4 months though, so who knows? |
| 21:01.12 | Tem|work | then go without or use DBM until they update to ace3 |
| 21:01.37 | Dewin | I run both in parallel. |
| 21:01.47 | Thunder_Child | and i really like littlewigs |
| 21:01.52 | Dewin | ^ |
| 21:02.00 | Thunder_Child | and babywigs |
| 21:02.02 | Dewin | I like some of DBM's addons though, I particular like the raid cooldowns |
| 21:02.16 | Tem|work | as a healer, I rarely care about the warnings |
| 21:02.31 | Tem|work | I have good enough situational awareness to just "get it" |
| 21:02.34 | foxlit | most warnings are irrelevant to most people. |
| 21:02.48 | Lopeppeppy | oRA2 has raid cooldowns. |
| 21:03.02 | foxlit | CT_RA has raid cooldowns <3 |
| 21:03.04 | Lopeppeppy | I do adore Little and Babywigs. |
| 21:03.25 | Kraps | chickenwings... mmmm |
| 21:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | HUNGRY, rawr. |
| 21:03.49 | Tem|work | and as a tank I love the "warnings" blizzard gives me |
| 21:03.51 | Dewin | I haven't gotten around to beating oRA2 into what I want in a unitframes UI yet |
| 21:03.54 | frop | isn't Babywigs just for deadmines? |
| 21:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | frop... um, no. |
| 21:04.04 | Tem|work | my personal favorite is when the ground shakes |
| 21:04.05 | Kraps | questhelper is too fail for words |
| 21:04.09 | Tem|work | like on Onyxia |
| 21:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, oRA2 **has no unitframes** |
| 21:04.20 | Tem|work | when the ground shakes, she's about to fear |
| 21:04.29 | frop | oRA2 has just MT frames |
| 21:04.30 | Cide | ctra has raid cooldowns? |
| 21:04.39 | Kraps | <---tank |
| 21:04.47 | Dewin | Oh. I'm thinking oUF, not oRA2 |
| 21:04.56 | Kraps | warrior ftw |
| 21:04.59 | frop | Lopeppeppy which modules Babywigs has now? |
| 21:05.05 | foxlit | Cide: it's also being converted to Ace4, I hear :) |
| 21:05.16 | Cide | probably |
| 21:05.22 | Thunder_Child | frop, take a look http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/baby-wigs.aspx |
| 21:05.40 | Lopeppeppy | frop, no idea. Go look. :) |
| 21:05.52 | Kraps | ekkub, the original BigWigs1 for Ace1 author, was inspired to write this after his very first raid run. He was horrified by the massive amount of spam his raid leader was creating with his boss mod. |
| 21:05.55 | Tem|work | ... |
| 21:06.04 | Tem|work | what low level bosses have anything worth warning about? |
| 21:06.17 | Kraps | ~hug Tekkub |
| 21:06.18 | purl | ACTION jumps into Tekkub's lap and huggles and *hugs* Tekkub |
| 21:06.27 | Thunder_Child | Tem|work, there is never a problem with information |
| 21:06.38 | Tem|work | yeah but... |
| 21:06.50 | Tem|work | they don't even have stuff to warn on |
| 21:07.40 | Thunder_Child | it has something or it wouldnt exists |
| 21:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | I know there are things in Mauradon, for example. Princess. |
| 21:08.21 | Thunder_Child | exist* |
| 21:09.09 | Dashkal | Uldaman? |
| 21:09.13 | Dewin | Princess is a lie, we just talk about her to get bored people to come to Mara. |
| 21:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, yeah, the stupid end boss pedestal thingies. |
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| 21:09.40 | Dashkal | You mean you've never told a newbie about the "Princess in a thong" before actually running them? |
| 21:10.12 | foxlit | Hm, 20 releases down the road, and I actually have no reported issues. |
| 21:10.22 | Lopeppeppy | Users am lazy. |
| 21:10.24 | Lunessa | She's a stone babe |
| 21:10.25 | Dewin | foxlit: 20 releases of what? |
| 21:10.31 | foxlit | pie. |
| 21:10.42 | frop | only Deadmines in Babywigs :P |
| 21:11.29 | Lopeppeppy | So write a few more plugins to help out! |
| 21:11.34 | Dewin | ......... |
| 21:11.43 | Kraps | yeah Princess iz teh fugly |
| 21:11.56 | Dewin | the gamerDNA quiz needs a little work. |
| 21:11.58 | frop | noway :D |
| 21:12.09 | frop | i just skip all of those instances...tbh |
| 21:12.33 | Kraps | hey i'm ove 3000g! |
| 21:12.38 | Kraps | over |
| 21:12.50 | mikma | remind me again, what's the maximum reset time of wintergrasp? :D |
| 21:12.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.58 | Lopeppeppy | 3 15, I think you said. |
| 21:12.59 | Dewin | 3h I think |
| 21:12.59 | Tem|work | ~impatience |
| 21:13.00 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 21:13.02 | Tem|work | ~laziness |
| 21:13.03 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 21:13.04 | Shirik | This guy is a nutcase, but his music is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-vgQSqNtA |
| 21:13.07 | Tem|work | ~hubris |
| 21:13.08 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 21:13.15 | Tem|work | ~fear of complexity |
| 21:13.16 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 21:13.47 | mikma | no 3:15 when battle starts (and battles don't last that long propably) |
| 21:13.54 | mikma | but looks like it's 2:50 |
| 21:14.12 | Dewin | frop: I actually /like/ running instances. One thing I don't like about WoW's player distribution right now is the difficulty of finding groups for low level instances (I don't want to be 'powered through' anything) |
| 21:14.31 | Kraps | Dewin: /agree |
| 21:14.43 | Tem|work | Dewin: I think you'll find the old instances pretty much impossible to find a pug for these days |
| 21:14.46 | frop | Dewin that's way i skip them :P |
| 21:14.49 | toggster | yeah true. |
| 21:14.55 | Dewin | Tem|work: I know. I've tried. |
| 21:14.56 | toggster | me and my friend have it easy though, war + priest :P |
| 21:15.01 | Tem|work | and I think that will remain true even on new servers |
| 21:15.24 | Dewin | At all of my wife and I's duoing groups have one person who can either be a healer or a tank (one of the duos has both roles) so we can usually make a group |
| 21:15.25 | Tem|work | players who have been to 60 and beyond have little interest in redoing what they did in 2004 |
| 21:15.45 | Tem|work | (not to say that those people don't exist) |
| 21:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ww |
| 21:15.49 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry.. |
| 21:15.54 | Tem|work | (I just got the urge to go do Maraudon) |
| 21:16.01 | toggster | what changed to make people not wanna do instances on new servers? When I rerolled for tbc it wasn't a problem tbh. got bugged about it 24/7 on my healer |
| 21:16.06 | Dewin | Tem|work: I levelled to 60 (when 60 was still the cap) probably 90% off of instances. |
| 21:16.18 | Tem|work | I wouldn't say it was 90% |
| 21:16.23 | mikma | lol tem|work will hate this! http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121808_231514.jpg |
| 21:16.25 | Tem|work | but I did a _lot_ of instances |
| 21:16.27 | Dewin | It was also my way of making money, I sold greens. |
| 21:16.33 | mikma | but hey, atleast i have wintergrasp timer kek |
| 21:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | I de or sell greens and cloth. |
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| 21:16.56 | Corr-work | when i played my hunter during BC, i was unable to get any non-powergamed dungeon runs before ramparts. |
| 21:17.22 | Tem|work | (but then I remembered it was in Desolace and remembered that I vowed never ever to return to that pit of hell) |
| 21:17.26 | Corr-work | i hated having to gain experience at using a hunter in a dungeon so late in the game, so to speak, but i managed |
| 21:17.33 | foxlit | Meh, Desolace was awesome! |
| 21:17.42 | Lunessa | Desolace? Teh Suk. |
| 21:17.43 | Tem|work | mikma: why? |
| 21:17.51 | Dewin | mikma: The NPC's reported time is only updated every ~5 seconds I think, maybe you caught it at 1:46:59 and the wintergrasp timer rounds down. |
| 21:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | desolace is a terrible zone. |
| 21:18.27 | mikma | tem|work: it has the bars you hate ;) |
| 21:18.27 | Corr-work | desolace at night is just a depressingly bland place |
| 21:18.29 | NightHawkTheSane | a pain in the ass to get around in, obnoxious quests, ugly.. |
| 21:18.35 | Tem|work | mikma: because your bars suck? |
| 21:18.38 | Corr-work | Night hits all the main points |
| 21:18.44 | Tem|work | well |
| 21:18.52 | mikma | tem|work: i blame shadowed from the bars :D |
| 21:19.02 | Tem|work | I don't like the look of the original bars without the gryphons |
| 21:19.11 | Tem|work | also, wtf is that shit on the right side of your screen? |
| 21:19.17 | Tem|work | close some of those holes at least |
| 21:19.41 | mikma | tem|work: most of them are there because i respecced and moves shit around : |
| 21:19.44 | Tem|work | also, default font is fugly |
| 21:20.04 | Tem|work | ditto macro names on buttons |
| 21:20.39 | mikma | dewin: also, the idea was the timer shown on the screen, because npc said 1:47:00 and i took the screenshot couple of seconds after opening the gossip, the bar already went into 1:46:57 or something :) |
| 21:21.08 | mikma | tem|work: gryphons are ugly, and they were on my totemaddon's way lol |
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| 21:26.15 | Kraps | druid resto is op |
| 21:26.25 | Shirik | old news is old |
| 21:26.35 | Shirik | amusingly I still beat druids on the charts :P |
| 21:26.39 | frop | druid feral is op too |
| 21:26.44 | Thunder_Child | http://deviantwear.deviantart.com/art/Emoticon-Stress-Balls-105293184 |
| 21:26.49 | frop | ...they can dsp as rogues çP |
| 21:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | try using english |
| 21:27.02 | Kraps | i dont trust druid tanks tbh |
| 21:27.42 | Kraps | Shirik: what class are you? |
| 21:27.45 | Shirik | priest |
| 21:27.58 | Kraps | i'm leveling one |
| 21:28.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: what ill conceived notion do you have that makes that absurd conclusion? |
| 21:28.30 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: idk, gut feeling |
| 21:28.43 | NightHawkTheSane | so basically nothing substantial, and you just being dumb :) |
| 21:29.04 | Kraps | yes k? :p |
| 21:29.32 | Kraps | they need more aoe threat |
| 21:30.08 | NightHawkTheSane | arguably so, but swipe did just get buffed. And I've yet to have any real problem with it |
| 21:30.09 | zenzelezz | my guild has tanks of every class, and they all work well together |
| 21:30.23 | zenzelezz | our druid tank hates Swipe though |
| 21:30.46 | Tem|work | I'm not a fan either |
| 21:30.53 | Tem|work | I think I'm going to keep my druid resto |
| 21:30.53 | Kraps | Shirik: holy or disc? |
| 21:31.00 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not really ideal, no. but has he tried it recently? |
| 21:31.01 | Shirik | holy |
| 21:31.23 | Kraps | i hear disc wins nowadays |
| 21:31.25 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: yes, tonight. He said several Swipe applications easily got outaggroed by the first Death and Decay tick |
| 21:31.30 | zenzelezz | I wasn't there, so I don't know the details |
| 21:31.56 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 that sounds really odd, unless the DK was in frost presence |
| 21:32.15 | Tem|work | how much damage does swipe do at 80? |
| 21:32.17 | zenzelezz | I have no idea :) |
| 21:32.25 | Tem|work | NHTS, even if the DK was in FrP |
| 21:32.28 | NightHawkTheSane | I honestly haven't tanked any 80 stuff, my druid is only 78, but I really have yet to have a problem |
| 21:32.28 | Shirik | Kraps: Disc is just different |
| 21:32.29 | Tem|work | that shouldn't happen |
| 21:32.32 | Shirik | I don't like it |
| 21:32.33 | zenzelezz | <--- warrior tank, happily ignorant about details about other tanks |
| 21:32.43 | Tem|work | Disc looks like the most fun healy spec right now |
| 21:32.48 | Shirik | And given that we've cleared wotlk (except for 2/3 drake Sartharion) it seems to be working |
| 21:32.50 | Tem|work | they're my favorite healer when I'm tanking |
| 21:32.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.00 | Shirik | Tem|work: That's because you're a tank |
| 21:33.01 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 21:33.07 | Shirik | The non-tanks don't quite appreciate disc as much |
| 21:33.17 | Tem|work | wars/druids/priests don't like disc as much as DKs |
| 21:33.23 | Tem|work | s/priests/paladins/ |
| 21:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i have no problem with disc priests |
| 21:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | rage generation is no issue for druids, really |
| 21:33.39 | Tem|work | I love them because they shield me all the time |
| 21:33.46 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:33.46 | Shirik | You're missing the point NightHawkTheSane :P |
| 21:34.08 | zenzelezz | what spec is Guardian Something again? |
| 21:34.10 | Shirik | Disc priests are great for tank healing, but fall apart when they have to heal any more than one target at a time |
| 21:34.11 | Shirik | Holy |
| 21:34.19 | Shirik | <3 Guardian Spirit |
| 21:34.21 | Dashkal | Is rage generation an issue for warriors when shielded or is that just a popular belief? |
| 21:34.28 | Shirik | I got somewhere around a 30k heal heh |
| 21:34.33 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: on bosses? |
| 21:34.42 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: I'm wondering if a shield every 15 seconds actually hurts them |
| 21:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: it used to be, don't know if it anymore |
| 21:34.52 | Kraps | i gtg, later |
| 21:34.56 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: it shouldn't, but it also shouldn't really be needed in most fights |
| 21:35.06 | zenzelezz | taking damage generates threat |
| 21:35.15 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: well, the idea of a disc preist healing one target so well is part of that "healing" comes from shields |
| 21:35.39 | Dashkal | I was just curious if anybody had had experience with that and if it actually harms their threat enough to matter. |
| 21:35.44 | Tem|work | When holy priests heal me, they will often NOT use shield at all |
| 21:35.47 | Tem|work | until I ask why |
| 21:35.54 | zenzelezz | think we had at least one priest spec (?) Guardian Spirit to be able to do Sartharion + 3 |
| 21:35.55 | Tem|work | then they say most tanks don't like it or something |
| 21:35.59 | Shirik | ^ |
| 21:36.14 | Shirik | I only use it in critical situations |
| 21:36.19 | Shirik | i.e., 2 people are about to die and I need to save both |
| 21:36.28 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: if you're main tanking, you very rarely have rage issues. Offtanks is a different matter |
| 21:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | on your dk tank? those are moronic healers then |
| 21:36.52 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: fair enough. I'm a DK offtank, though, so I'm going to make a point of telling them to shield at will |
| 21:37.17 | Shirik | The other side of it is "qqqqq shields don't show up on healing meters" |
| 21:37.24 | Shirik | "must.... beat....everyone....else...." |
| 21:37.27 | zenzelezz | in reality, I often don't even know if I'm getting a shield or not because of all the mobs on my screen |
| 21:37.29 | NightHawkTheSane | those healers are -also- morons |
| 21:37.33 | Tem|work | NHTS, moronic != misinformed |
| 21:37.34 | Shirik | totally agree :) |
| 21:37.45 | Dashkal | I'm going to be encouraging our raid leader to slap anybody who obsesses about that... |
| 21:38.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: meh, in my book, people who don't bother to be informed about their class, and why they make the choices they do ARE morons |
| 21:38.21 | Tem|work | NHTS: they're not misinformed about their own class, though |
| 21:38.24 | Tem|work | they're misinformed about mine |
| 21:38.34 | Cairenn | okay, this is pretty fucking cool: 2k-old computer |
| 21:38.34 | Dashkal | Same with damage meters. My DPS is a little low (I average about 1800) but I contribute quite a bit via hysteria and abom might |
| 21:38.34 | Cairenn | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/12/2000-year-old-a.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp |
| 21:38.40 | Tem|work | and since it's new I figure I'll give people until heroics to not be retards about it |
| 21:38.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: same difference, it's the relationship between their class (shields) and yours. it directly effects how they play their class |
| 21:38.49 | Dashkal | Recount is installed to help me with my rotations |
| 21:38.50 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: sounds like you need an upgrade then! |
| 21:39.01 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:39.13 | Tem|work | but yeah, people uninformed about their own class piss me off |
| 21:39.43 | zenzelezz | Tem|work: did you hear about our DPS warrior applicant who used Mocking Blow in his rotation? |
| 21:40.08 | zenzelezz | all of a sudden *both* tanks are on Stalagg |
| 21:45.29 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Yes, that's very cool. |
| 21:45.46 | Lunessa | Those greeks - wicked clever. |
| 21:47.20 | Cairenn | can you imagine where we'd be now, science- & technology-wise, if we hadn't gone through the dark ages? |
| 21:47.33 | Tem|work | zenzelezz: erm |
| 21:47.34 | Tem|work | what? |
| 21:47.47 | Tem|work | does mocking blow do damage? |
| 21:47.58 | Tem|work | (significant damage) |
| 21:48.07 | NightHawkTheSane | it does, but it's also a taunt |
| 21:52.17 | Tem|work | it's NOT A TAUNT |
| 21:52.47 | Tekkub | A mocking attack that causes weapon damage, a moderate amount of threat and forces the target to focus attacks on you for 6 sec |
| 21:52.53 | Tekkub | sounds like a taunt to me |
| 21:53.03 | Tem|work | taunts give you threat |
| 21:53.03 | keias | It's a focus, obv |
| 21:53.08 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yeah, my bad |
| 21:53.35 | Tem|work | You have taunts and you have "mocking blows" |
| 21:53.48 | Tem|work | the only other mocking blow I can think of is Death Grip |
| 21:54.00 | Tekkub | I don't like that term... how about |
| 21:54.08 | Tekkub | you have taunts, and you have cockblocks |
| 21:54.09 | NightHawkTheSane | wasn't death grip a taunt too? or did they change that when they added dark command |
| 21:54.17 | Tem|work | DG was the DK taunt |
| 21:54.25 | Tem|work | it hasn't been a taunt since it had a rune cost |
| 21:54.43 | Tem|work | Dark Command came a while after that |
| 21:54.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 21:54.50 | Tem|work | but they had said they were adding it |
| 21:55.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i remember when they added dark command, i just thought DG was a taunt before that at least |
| 21:55.36 | Tem|work | My very first DK feedback ever was this: I don't like having a rune cost on Death Grip it feels like I should be saving an unholy rune in case I need to taunt |
| 21:56.10 | Tekkub | oh so it's all because of you, aren't you fucking spethial (no) |
| 21:56.29 | Tem|work | actually, the people who I gave the feedback to disagreed with me |
| 21:56.37 | Tem|work | I don't remember what their argument was |
| 21:56.47 | Tekkub | "you suck shut up"? |
| 21:56.51 | bleeter | ++ |
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| 21:57.28 | Tekkub | how am I supposed to entertain myself when you're being so passive |
| 21:57.30 | Tekkub | bitch |
| 21:57.47 | Osagasu | :( |
| 21:58.51 | Tem|work | Tekkub: only real insults piss me off |
| 21:59.15 | Tem|work | and I've learned that everything coming out of your mouth comes with a giant disclaimer anyway |
| 22:00.33 | Tekkub | bah you're boring |
| 22:01.48 | Tem|work | I was pissed yesterday |
| 22:01.50 | Tem|work | you missed your chance |
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| 22:07.11 | Aelobin | hi again :) |
| 22:07.33 | Aelobin | i was wondering if anyone knew how you could tell the difference between enUS and enGB as GetLocale() always returns enUS |
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| 22:09.14 | bleeter | does enGB measure stuff in meters or yards? |
| 22:09.44 | Aelobin | yards.. |
| 22:09.51 | Aelobin | someones got me the answer though ty :) |
| 22:09.57 | Aelobin | GetCVar("locale") |
| 22:10.34 | Dewin | I'm guessing Blizzard didn't want to redo a lot of code for checking enUS or enGB? |
| 22:18.08 | Shirik | Would it really matter? |
| 22:18.12 | Shirik | Like how do you define a "yard" |
| 22:18.20 | Shirik | couldn't they just say it was meters and be done with it? |
| 22:18.26 | Shirik | It would be exactly the same distance |
| 22:18.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: they could call it anything they wanted, really |
| 22:18.57 | Shirik | exactly |
| 22:19.28 | Tem|work | my character can jump higher than she is tall |
| 22:19.34 | Tem|work | so um |
| 22:19.39 | Tem|work | measurements be damned |
| 22:19.46 | Shirik | That's what you get for being a gnome |
| 22:19.55 | Tem|work | (I don't actually play a gnome) |
| 22:19.59 | Tem|work | (just sayin') |
| 22:20.14 | Shirik | yeah you're a druid no? |
| 22:21.01 | Tem|work | Death Knight, Druid, Mage, Shaman |
| 22:21.05 | Tem|work | (in that order) |
| 22:21.40 | Tem|work | (my fist toon ever was a gnome mage. I made it to 15 on him and had to reroll. I couldn't take his voice anymore) |
| 22:22.00 | Tem|work | (he is not my ah alt) |
| 22:22.16 | Aelobin | lol i didnt realise an addon could enable to launcher thing xD |
| 22:22.19 | Aelobin | not that it's any use |
| 22:22.38 | Tem|work | whaa? |
| 22:23.06 | Dewin | wtb way to make /combatlog log to something other than WoWCombatLog.txt |
| 22:23.25 | Dewin | I don't care if it's locked to that directory, I want to be able to name it more creatively. |
| 22:23.34 | Aelobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.46 | Aelobin | i think that does it xD |
| 22:24.03 | Tem|work | Aelobin: there's a checkbox on the login screen for it |
| 22:24.17 | Aelobin | yeh i know, i just didnt realise an addon could change the option :) |
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| 22:24.31 | Dewin | seems odd, I'd think that'd be isolated to glueXML |
| 22:24.46 | Dewin | have you tried actually changing it? |
| 22:24.58 | Aelobin | i managed to change "accountName" to "myaddonftw" |
| 22:25.02 | Aelobin | ill go try that one |
| 22:25.15 | Dewin | I mean, changing it and having it take effect ;) |
| 22:25.36 | Aelobin | yeh im testing it xD but i tried others that took effect |
| 22:26.17 | Aelobin | it works |
| 22:26.19 | Aelobin | ;) |
| 22:26.52 | Aelobin | no use for it really, except if you wanted to piss someone off :p |
| 22:27.17 | Aelobin | got the "showToolsUI" bit from http://www.wowwiki.com/Console_variables |
| 22:31.18 | Aelobin | hmm it says you can enable joysticks.. 0.o |
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| 22:35.47 | Dewin | targetNearest/targetNearestRadius look like settings I need to play with. |
| 22:36.30 | Aelobin | =o |
| 22:36.41 | Dewin | I'm always having tab targetting not target what it should |
| 22:36.52 | Dewin | that's one thing that FFXI got better than WoW, IMHO. |
| 22:36.52 | Aelobin | cool |
| 22:37.26 | Aelobin | should do "gameTip" and set it to the same one every login :P |
| 22:37.37 | Aelobin | so whoever uses yoru addon will only ever see 1 game login tip for the rest of their wowlife :< |
| 22:37.50 | Lunessa | Tip: I changed this just to be a douche. |
| 22:37.55 | Aelobin | yeh lol |
| 22:38.08 | Aelobin | i dont think you can actually change the text tho :< |
| 22:38.41 | Dewin | if overrode in the wtf file maybe |
| 22:39.00 | Dewin | I think whatever facility randomly assigns the tip will overwrite whatever your addon changes it to |
| 22:39.14 | Dewin | oh. Never mind |
| 22:39.22 | Aelobin | wut? |
| 22:39.25 | Aelobin | did you try it? |
| 22:41.14 | Aelobin | lol as if an option is called "UberTooltips" |
| 22:44.06 | Dewin | No I didn't try it, I read the documentation for gameTip :) |
| 22:44.13 | Aelobin | ^^ |
| 22:44.20 | Aelobin | set "MaxFPS" to 1? XD |
| 22:44.23 | Dewin | So I see the PTR is fixed, but down. >.> |
| 22:45.07 | Dewin | I'm waiting to see if the framelevel bug fix is in or not >.> |
| 22:45.33 | Aelobin | is it out next wednesday? |
| 22:46.13 | Pytlask | Dewin: what framelevel bug? |
| 22:53.49 | Aelobin | didnt realise you could still use the console in wow xD |
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| 23:25.56 | zenzelezz | Brann Bronzebeard's Gold Coin is definitely my favorite |
| 23:37.26 | toggster | I'm a bit confused on how slash commands work. Are the SLASH_MYMOD1 case sensitive (all caps) ? does it have to be the same name as the mod or is that just good practice? |
| 23:39.20 | zenzelezz | lua is case sensitive |
| 23:40.07 | zenzelezz | if I remember right the slash commands can be called whatever, since addons can have more than one, but using the addon name means you're less likely to conflict with other commands |
| 23:40.09 | toggster | same name as mod req? or can i have toggstermod have SLASH_RABBIT1? |
| 23:40.19 | toggster | ok |
| 23:40.34 | toggster | thanks a bunch. feels like I'm getting there now :) |
| 23:40.50 | zenzelezz | can be rough in the beginning |
| 23:41.29 | toggster | yeah the slash thing doesnt make much sense, atleast at first since i didnt realize all these things were inbuilt :) |
| 23:44.50 | toggster | how would I do multiple commands? does it send the whole string after /whatever as an argument to the function i specify? or do I get different args? if not is a,b,c = string.match(cmd, "%w+") and then send a,b,c to internalCmdHandler the best solution? |
| 23:46.35 | Arrowmaster | take a look at AceConsole-3.0, its got a good function for splitting a string |
| 23:48.36 | Wobin | hm, it's nice not to really have to focus on the threat meter =P |
| 23:48.51 | Wobin | although maybe I should switch to aoe mode |
| 23:48.59 | zenzelezz | Wobin: how so, new class/spec? |
| 23:49.38 | Wobin | well as a aoe tank |
| 23:49.58 | Wobin | It's not my responsibility to be of an aggro under the tank =) |
| 23:50.20 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 23:50.41 | Wobin | I suppose I'd watch it to see if anyone is going to pull, but the end result would likely be a reactive taunt rather than a proactive aggro race |
| 23:51.10 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: |
| 23:51.28 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: sorry, keyboards acting up, any possibility for a method to do 'create all' in panda? |
| 23:59.46 | Cide | Arrowmaster: uh, why not like |
