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| 00:12.57 | foxlit | Wonder if Alumeth is soloable. |
| 00:13.13 | foxlit | Suggested Players [5] |
| 00:15.32 | duaiwe | someone please remind me what patchwerk's hateful strike is based on again? >.> |
| 00:15.32 | [dRaCo] | na, he hits pretty hard |
| 00:15.41 | [dRaCo] | highest health in melee range |
| 00:15.55 | Gnarfoz | second highest threat, too |
| 00:16.23 | NightHawkTheSane | so it doesn't matter if there's a melee with more health if they have less threat? |
| 00:16.48 | [dRaCo] | dont't think so |
| 00:16.49 | Gnarfoz | dunno which takes precedence |
| 00:17.07 | Gnarfoz | I know I've been squished into the ground before |
| 00:17.10 | NightHawkTheSane | well we only have 3 melee (including the tanks) anyway.. |
| 00:17.32 | Gnarfoz | anyway, there's no reason for melee to be at full hp at Patchwerk |
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| 00:17.44 | Gnarfoz | there slime's there for a reason ;p |
| 00:17.51 | [dRaCo] | pretty sure it's highest health |
| 00:17.51 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28308 |
| 00:18.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: touché |
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| 00:19.46 | Gnarfoz | [dRaCo]: that spell description kind of... doesn't clear it up ;D |
| 00:19.53 | Gnarfoz | what is a "threatening target" :O |
| 00:20.15 | Gnarfoz | "ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!" - Cornholio ;p |
| 00:21.06 | [dRaCo] | we usually interprete that as "you've gotta be on the aggro list" |
| 00:21.07 | WobWork | foxlit: Immune to snares and stuns, melees cloth for 4.8k, mind flays for 3k, shadow word: pains for over 1k, fears, heals, and mind controls. |
| 00:21.13 | WobWork | foxlit: doesn't sound it =) |
| 00:21.21 | foxlit | MC would be the last of my troubles :) |
| 00:21.29 | WobWork | unless you had a pet |
| 00:21.32 | WobWork | or worms |
| 00:21.49 | foxlit | I had a pet. Poor ghoul :( |
| 00:23.49 | WobWork | Apparently someone saw a DK with a personally named ghoul |
| 00:23.57 | WobWork | (in this case BabyJesus =P) |
| 00:24.04 | WobWork | anyone have an idea how to go about that? |
| 00:25.45 | Shirik|Ecole | that's an interesting message |
| 00:26.03 | Shirik|Ecole | VMWare: "The CPU has been disabled by the guest operating system. Shut down or restart the machine." |
| 00:26.14 | Shirik|Ecole | Translation: It asploded, imo |
| 00:26.32 | tlund | does the author have to update the "Changes" tab on curse manually? Most addons i have upated recently show really old data when I click on "Changes". :( |
| 00:27.34 | tlund | hmmm. "Project Updated: 3 weeks ago" -- maby the downloader downloaded it from somewhere else?! |
| 00:27.35 | cbreak | yes |
| 00:27.47 | cbreak | I don't like curseforge |
| 00:27.53 | cbreak | way too much stupid java script crap |
| 00:27.53 | tlund | (this was Ackis Recipe List i just looked at as an example) |
| 00:28.45 | tlund | ah yes. the latest version, and changelog is indeed at wowace.com |
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| 00:32.11 | Shirik|Ecole | what are you using to update, tlund? |
| 00:43.22 | tlund | Shirik|Ecole the Curse client, latest beta |
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| 01:01.11 | Amarande | G'evening |
| 01:01.22 | Amarande | hmm, something I"m starting to wonder now ... |
| 01:01.28 | Amarande | around what level am I likely to replace the Twin Stars set? |
| 01:06.40 | Kirov_ | Anyone experienced any issues with buyback since the patch/ |
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| 01:31.12 | Xiro | can anyone point me to some good examples of error catching for a specific addon? I want to be able to capture errors for my addon, and display them in a non intrusive manner |
| 01:33.32 | Tekkub | why do you need for a specific addon, just use an error manager |
| 01:34.34 | Xiro | I don't want to use a third party error manager :) |
| 01:35.49 | Xiro | the purpose of the project I'm working on it to learn.. using something external kinda defeats the purpose of that |
| 01:41.29 | Olorin | well maybee at least look at bagsack, personally I find it very good and a bag that goes red when error is hardly intrusive |
| 01:41.49 | Olorin | bugsack* |
| 01:42.24 | Xiro | yeah, I just grabbed it and was opening it up. thanks :D |
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| 02:12.09 | l3viMU | I'm trying to design a website for a guild (one a friend and I are starting). I haven't played in awhile, but I thought there was a way to query the servers for character information. I'd like to display the members of our guild and stats, if someone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it |
| 02:12.36 | Lopeppeppy | You can query the WoW armory for that stuff, but not the servers themselves. |
| 02:13.54 | l3viMU | Lopeppeppy, okay. I attempted to get an XML output via the character-sheet.xml?r=server&n=character , it got the HTML output and not the XML |
| 02:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | Start here. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10131-WoWGuildArmory.html |
| 02:15.37 | l3viMU | Thank you very much ;] |
| 02:15.43 | Lopeppeppy | I did a search on Wowinterface for "guild". Keep going through what's available there with that search, then check curse-gaming. I'm sure you'll find things you can adapt or learn from. |
| 02:16.00 | l3viMU | Is that on windrunner? |
| 02:16.05 | l3viMU | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw16445.jpg |
| 02:16.32 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't have the slightest clue. I use Google fu, I don't interpret screenshots. :) |
| 02:16.40 | l3viMU | heh thanks again |
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| 02:29.18 | Olorin | If you create an editbox, to be able to click on it to enter a value do you have to register it for clicks or an event? |
| 02:29.39 | WobWork | l3viMU: interestingly enough, I get the xml if I open it in IE |
| 02:29.58 | WobWork | If you use chrome, it xlst's it into html |
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| 02:48.54 | Arrowmaster | l3viMU: what are you using to query the armory? |
| 02:49.36 | l3viMU | WobWork, yeah same here w/ firefox and ie |
| 02:50.02 | l3viMU | Someone just sent me a link to a nice php script, i'm going to modify that a little and use it |
| 02:50.45 | Arrowmaster | the armory does some backend useragent checking and only sends xml to certain useragents, it sends html to all others |
| 02:51.18 | l3viMU | ahhh |
| 02:52.25 | Arrowmaster | usually get around it by just putting "Firefox/3.0" in the useragent string |
| 02:54.06 | Amnith | ... Which basically the thing I sent you does, l3viMU :) |
| 02:56.37 | l3viMU | Yeah ;] |
| 02:56.40 | Amarande | heh, wonder how long that's going to work for before some cockamamie computer law ends up making it illegal to lie about your user agent on the web :P |
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| 02:59.41 | WobWork | oh noes |
| 02:59.49 | WobWork | people not telling the TRUTH on the INTARWEBS? |
| 02:59.57 | WobWork | my faith in humanity is destroyed =( |
| 03:00.02 | Gnarfoz | I thought it was intertubes now |
| 03:00.03 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 03:00.27 | WobWork | interdumptrucks? |
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| 03:10.29 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: never going to happen, all browsers lie in the first place claiming to be Mozilla |
| 03:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: well, i imagine mozilla doesn't |
| 03:12.24 | NightHawkTheSane | although im probably wrong |
| 03:12.33 | Arrowmaster | mozilla doesnt really exist anymore |
| 03:12.36 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: you underestimate the stupidity of governmental entities |
| 03:12.38 | Arrowmaster | now its seamonkey |
| 03:13.03 | Amarande | especially ones that are mainly staffed by people who didn't grow up with the Internet |
| 03:13.27 | Amarande | you know what the #1 problem in cybercrime cases tends to be? |
| 03:16.17 | Codayus_ | Hmm, I know someone who reported a phishing email to their local cops (to see what would happen) about three years ago. Result: Two very serious uniformed patrolmen stopped by, took a statement and a printed copy of the email, and promised to get right on to tracking down the criminals. |
| 03:17.17 | Codayus_ | They gave every sign of having heard of email, although neither seemed entirely familiar. Sort of like they'd read a good book about it, but hadn't used it personally. :-/ |
| 03:17.25 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 03:17.34 | WobWork | Good to see they didn't just dismiss it out of hand |
| 03:18.38 | Codayus_ | Yes, indeed. Phishing *IS* fraud, and can have very serious consequences. The problem is that they seemed entirely unequipped to deal with it. |
| 03:19.22 | Arrowmaster | i blame the entire email system on that one |
| 03:19.27 | Arrowmaster | its broken |
| 03:19.33 | WobWork | well, a friend of mine works in computer forensics |
| 03:19.36 | WobWork | for the police |
| 03:19.43 | WobWork | It's aged him -terribly- =( |
| 03:19.47 | Codayus_ | Arrowmaster: True. |
| 03:19.55 | Codayus_ | WobWork: Ouch |
| 03:19.56 | WobWork | I really don't think I could ever do that job |
| 03:20.08 | WobWork | having to trawl through for child pornography and the like =\ |
| 03:20.25 | Amarande | sometimes I wonder whether crime scene investigators are able to maintain their sanity |
| 03:20.31 | Amarande | there's probably a reason why Grissom has an obsession with bugs |
| 03:21.07 | WobWork | Detachment |
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| 03:27.01 | Tekkub | *whine* anyone got an MPQ viewer that can actually open the mpq's in /Data? |
| 03:29.56 | Arrowmaster | http://www.zezula.net/mpq.html |
| 03:29.59 | Arrowmaster | under downloads |
| 03:30.39 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.40 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 03:36.54 | WobWork | hm, I wonder why the Armoury is rounding up =P |
| 03:37.01 | WobWork | I -know- I'm not level 78 |
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| 03:41.08 | mikma | wobwork: lies. stop playing drunk |
| 03:41.11 | mikma | while drunk |
| 03:41.26 | ReAn | today it listed me as 77 even tho i logged out 2 days ago @ 78, but as soon as i went to my actual profile it listed me as 78 |
| 03:41.26 | WobWork | I'm supposed to play sober while drunk? |
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| 03:42.07 | l3viMU | I'm going to school for computer forensics.. |
| 03:42.09 | WobWork | heehee |
| 03:42.13 | WobWork | writing lua scripts at work |
| 03:42.27 | WobWork | l3viMU: It's a fascinating field |
| 03:42.50 | WobWork | It's just... the subject matter that the investigative services like the police are after.... |
| 03:42.51 | l3viMU | Hopefully it'll remain interesting throughout my career ;] |
| 03:42.59 | WobWork | well it tends towards the baser aspects of humanity |
| 03:43.22 | WobWork | and in order to investigate it, you have to watch all of it =\ |
| 03:45.04 | l3viMU | Yeah |
| 03:45.05 | Amarande | Wob, do people who go into that field of study frequently fall prey to madness? |
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| 03:45.35 | WobWork | Amarande: I don't know |
| 03:45.41 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/2998/20081214.gif <- ownage |
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| 03:45.51 | WobWork | we tend to avoid talking about 'work' when we chat |
| 03:46.14 | Olorin | if anything like doctors they either realise very quick they cant handle it or they become mentally blocked and dont see people they treat as people.. not all but a lot end up that way |
| 03:47.14 | WobWork | mikma: Only sinfest could get away with that mix of religion, america, and the goddamn batman =P |
| 03:47.40 | mikma | wobwork: how about http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/garfield/2546/20081214.gif |
| 03:48.08 | WobWork | hehe, that was in our sunday paper |
| 03:48.24 | WobWork | Can you imagine it? |
| 03:48.28 | WobWork | Odie's tongue is HUGE |
| 03:48.48 | WobWork | Garfield isn't panicking, he's choking =P |
| 03:48.55 | Adys | not only his tongue. |
| 03:49.06 | WobWork | That's what -she- said! |
| 03:49.18 | mikma | lol |
| 03:49.53 | mikma | wobwork: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/pennyarcade/1243/20081212.jpg <- last screen reminds of you and industrial |
| 03:50.11 | WobWork | nah, Fisker and everyone =P |
| 03:50.35 | mikma | well indie is that kind od rapist |
| 03:51.11 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1093/20081215.gif =D |
| 03:51.20 | mikma | that comic always delivers |
| 03:52.07 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1088/20081210.gif |
| 03:52.17 | mikma | proves my point 100% |
| 03:52.43 | Adys | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/garfield/1/20011215.gif |
| 03:52.55 | Adys | lol 2001 12 15 |
| 03:53.14 | Adys | i was thinking "gee so unoriginal this year, reminds me of one of a few years ago" |
| 03:53.37 | WobWork | Garfield ceased being funny a while ago |
| 03:54.13 | Adys | try garfield minus garfield ! |
| 03:54.16 | NightHawkTheSane | garfield minus garfield, on the other hand |
| 03:54.46 | Amarande | Adys: you mean 0? |
| 03:55.02 | Adys | what are you on about again |
| 03:55.14 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure Garfield minus Garfield equals zero for all values of Garfield |
| 03:55.15 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:55.16 | mikma | ocks |
| 03:55.28 | mikma | s/ocks/cocks |
| 03:55.41 | Adys | trailing / |
| 03:55.55 | Amarande | mikma: syntax error, like adys says :) |
| 03:55.57 | mikma | s/ocks/cocks/ |
| 03:56.01 | mikma | hehe |
| 03:56.29 | mikma | s/hehe/diaf all!!!/ |
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| 03:57.35 | WobWork | Garfield minus Garfield is merely sad and terribly depressing =P |
| 03:57.36 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/fly.jpg |
| 03:57.40 | mikma | nom nom |
| 04:00.34 | mikma | wobwork: reminds of indu also http://kuvaton.com/bshit/rapedog_1.jpg |
| 04:01.10 | WobWork | hm |
| 04:01.22 | WobWork | Not only does the directory warn me not to open that at work |
| 04:01.25 | WobWork | so does the filename =P |
| 04:01.37 | Amarande | Wob: probably incredibly dumb, too |
| 04:01.45 | Amarande | can you imagine Jon and Odie without Garfield around? |
| 04:02.00 | Amarande | it'd be like the Griffin family if you took Stewie and Brian away LOL |
| 04:02.06 | WobWork | Amarande: You've never seen Garfield - Garfield? |
| 04:02.07 | Adys | ITS A PARODY |
| 04:02.15 | Adys | A PARODY AND A FUNNY ONE AT THAT |
| 04:02.17 | Adys | unlike family guy |
| 04:02.20 | Amarande | Wob: no |
| 04:02.26 | WobWork | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/ |
| 04:02.41 | mikma | wobwork: imho, its fsw for .au |
| 04:02.58 | mikma | wobwork: ameridorks are completely different thing |
| 04:03.02 | WobWork | s'true |
| 04:03.04 | WobWork | that's valid |
| 04:03.09 | WobWork | and that's an OED! |
| 04:03.17 | WobWork | my mascot =) |
| 04:03.29 | mikma | a what |
| 04:03.58 | WobWork | My initial use of the name Wobin was with the surname d'Wonderdog |
| 04:04.11 | WobWork | and my avatar was of an old english sheepdog |
| 04:04.14 | WobWork | (OED) |
| 04:04.49 | mikma | how did wonderdog turn into a wobin |
| 04:05.26 | WobWork | Wobin was Robin was Puck |
| 04:05.36 | WobWork | I started with Puck, went to Robin, then went to Wobin |
| 04:05.53 | WobWork | and he needed a surname for the MUD I was on, so d'Wonderdog got picked |
| 04:05.57 | WobWork | and the avatar of the OED |
| 04:06.14 | mikma | WoWbin |
| 04:06.26 | WobWork | well before WoW |
| 04:06.35 | WobWork | it was on Discworld MUD |
| 04:06.49 | mikma | i just gave you a name for new addon |
| 04:06.58 | WobWork | what would it dooo? |
| 04:07.09 | mikma | hmm |
| 04:07.55 | mikma | sometthing flashy! |
| 04:08.32 | WobWork | doesn't reflect the name =( |
| 04:09.17 | mikma | well all i can thing of is a trashcan =( |
| 04:09.22 | WobWork | yeah =\ |
| 04:10.04 | mikma | wobwork: i cant remember did i show you my dk diseasetimer improved! |
| 04:10.17 | WobWork | how improved? |
| 04:11.10 | mikma | FLASHY! http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121408_234421.jpg |
| 04:11.58 | mikma | it has the golden line in the cooldown that shadowed hates lololo |
| 04:11.59 | WobWork | has the rotational countdown? |
| 04:12.18 | WobWork | oh gold eh? |
| 04:12.41 | mikma | ya, hard to see but it's there |
| 04:12.54 | mikma | from center to bottomright |
| 04:13.02 | mikma | in the icon that is |
| 04:13.15 | Olorin | can anyone tell me why on earth a basic editbox doesnt appear to be triggering an event handler, when i have used temporarily EditBox:RegisterAllEvents() and then set it to an output message function to show what events were triggered? |
| 04:14.07 | Olorin | I can click on the editbox and change the contents but its not triggering the event function but not showing any lua errors either |
| 04:15.00 | mikma | debugmessages |
| 04:15.24 | mikma | that'll fix it! |
| 04:16.50 | Olorin | I cant see anywhere where I could put a debug message, its only an editbox frame with text on it lol |
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| 04:17.39 | Olorin | I presume RegisterAllEvents() would trigger on focus? |
| 04:17.55 | mikma | what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 04:18.32 | Olorin | just make an editbox so i can type xy coords into it |
| 04:19.47 | mikma | myeditbox:Show(); myeditbox:SetText("omg i poop") |
| 04:21.10 | cbreak | Olorin: which event do you expect? |
| 04:21.28 | Olorin | the editbox shows up fine but it wont trigger the function set that will allow me to lose its focus when i press enter or escape after |
| 04:21.48 | Iriel | That kind of focus doesn't trigger OnEvent events |
| 04:21.55 | cbreak | indeed |
| 04:22.20 | cbreak | RegisterAllEvents is just for events, not for SetScript handlers |
| 04:22.30 | cbreak | you want the latter I think |
| 04:22.45 | Olorin | quite possibly... |
| 04:23.06 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_handlers#EditBox |
| 04:23.12 | cbreak | you set them with SetScript |
| 04:23.18 | mikma | myeditbox:SetScript("OnShow", function() print("i still poop") end) |
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| 04:23.32 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetScript |
| 04:23.38 | MattBnr | shirik you in here |
| 04:23.44 | MentalPower | ~seen Shirik |
| 04:23.45 | purl | shirik is currently on #wowprogramming (5h 54m 28s) #norganna (5h 54m 28s) #wowuidev (5h 54m 28s) #wowace (5h 54m 28s), last said: 'Of course, there are other advantages to 64 bit applications'. |
| 04:23.48 | Anaral | Mattbnr he hasn't said anything in here in awhile either... hmm. |
| 04:23.52 | MattBnr | lol |
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| 04:26.11 | Olorin | thanks all, 4am and I think im getting confused.... lol I thought the setscript was just actioning an event... which would have been listed within OnEvent.... |
| 04:27.41 | cbreak | SetScript is to set handlers |
| 04:27.51 | cbreak | for example for OnEvent, among others |
| 04:28.21 | Olorin | I see that now... I think....rubs eyes and mutters another 30mins.... |
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| 04:30.31 | Dreagar | hey everyone! |
| 04:30.44 | mikma | cosmos discontinued! |
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| 04:31.30 | cbreak | cosmos? |
| 04:31.31 | mikma | spookyshirik |
| 04:31.40 | cbreak | hmm... right... |
| 04:31.49 | cbreak | wasn't that popular in the molten core days? |
| 04:31.51 | Dreagar | can someone take a peek at this file, and tell me why the last line runs in the chat frame, but i can't get the window to show?? |
| 04:31.53 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/104405 |
| 04:31.56 | Iriel | The basic rule of thumb is that OnEvent (and RegisterEvent) is used to tell the UI that something in the game world changed |
| 04:32.15 | Iriel | And the other OnXXX handlers are used to notify UI elements that the UI has changed |
| 04:32.50 | Olorin | Thanks for that :) |
| 04:32.54 | Dreagar | and where are those devtools again? i keep losin the location of them. :( |
| 04:33.08 | Iriel | ~devtools |
| 04:33.09 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 04:33.22 | Dreagar | bitchin thanks iriel. :) |
| 04:33.49 | cbreak | Dreagar: where is viewer assigned to? |
| 04:33.59 | Shirik|Ghost | Dreagar: Aside from the fact that I don't actually think you have "no parent" |
| 04:34.00 | mikma | try :Show() |
| 04:34.03 | mikma | lololo |
| 04:34.06 | Shirik|Ghost | Creating a frame with no parent is a bad idea |
| 04:34.22 | Shirik|Ghost | Yes, it will always make it visible. It will also break alt-z |
| 04:34.39 | Dreagar | well i got part of this from Quest helper.. i used UIParent first for the parent, cause i figured you were right shirik, but no joy. :( |
| 04:34.47 | Iriel | Shirik: It's a bad idea unless that's what you want 8-) |
| 04:34.48 | Dreagar | and viewer is just a local. |
| 04:34.52 | Shirik|Ghost | (not exactly break, but it will violate the principle of least surprise) |
| 04:35.54 | mikma | shirik|ghost: i have been witnessing the same with my own addons several times |
| 04:35.55 | Shirik|Ghost | That being said, it appears your frame has no height or width, Dreagar |
| 04:36.09 | mikma | i always forget to parent them to uiparent |
| 04:36.11 | Dreagar | basically, in the onload function it checks to see if the versions are the same, if not, it shows the changelog in this screen. :) |
| 04:36.30 | Dreagar | hmm. thanks shirik, lemme figure out what i screwed up then. :) |
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| 04:36.55 | cbreak | do you ever set the size of the frame? |
| 04:37.12 | Shirik|Ecole | That was what I was saying, cbreak |
| 04:37.15 | cbreak | oh, sounds very anoying |
| 04:38.14 | Dreagar | oh i do set it, at the bottom in the if else chunk there .. |
| 04:38.26 | mikma | dreagar: whats the whole idea of swapping the viewer = frammis frammis = viewer |
| 04:39.48 | Dreagar | i'm not exactly sure mik, that part i got from QH and i'm still workin on figurein it out. it seems taht frammis holds the viewer in a table at the location of the border/divide but why i have no clue. lol |
| 04:40.20 | cbreak | so your addon contains code you have no clue what it is good for? |
| 04:40.38 | mikma | dreagar: what are you trying to do in the first place? =) |
| 04:41.14 | cbreak | anoy his users with a popup dialog |
| 04:41.14 | Dreagar | yes cbreak, i'm kinda learnin by fire. some of this is a lil new to me, and i'm usein QH code to figure out what i'm doin.. |
| 04:41.34 | Dreagar | mikma, if the version is different onload, then it shows a dialog with the changelog. |
| 04:42.41 | Olorin | Probably easier to start with a less complex addon |
| 04:43.29 | Arrowmaster | Dreagar: just scrap everything and rewrite it after forgetting everything you saw in questhelper |
| 04:43.33 | Dreagar | well the thing i'm tryin to learn is how to show a window usin only lua dynamically. and questhelper seems to do this well with this window, and their lil help window |
| 04:43.58 | mikma | umm |
| 04:44.09 | Arrowmaster | questhelper is not the place to get code from for learning |
| 04:44.10 | mikma | i'll do you a small window, moment |
| 04:44.24 | Dreagar | .. u know what.. |
| 04:44.30 | cbreak | get TinyPad |
| 04:44.33 | Dreagar | i'm a retard. why the hell would i need to do this? |
| 04:44.38 | cbreak | much easier to experiment with lua code that way |
| 04:44.59 | Dreagar | ... i think i'm just gonna take that out, it is kind of an annoying idea. |
| 04:44.59 | cbreak | essentially, you just CreateFrame a frame, set the parameters and done. |
| 04:45.22 | Dreagar | yeah, yer right, this is kinda unecessarily complex. |
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| 04:47.37 | Olorin | Dreagar: how dynamicly do you want the window to be shown/hidden? what is the trigger for this? you might be able to do what you want via a script on a hotkey |
| 04:48.12 | Dreagar | Olorin: it was just a statement in the onload, if the version is different from the saved version, show the changelog in a window. |
| 04:48.13 | Alfuin | ck, or anyone knowing, does the latest version of pitbull finally get Dogtags right? |
| 04:48.23 | mikma | dreagar: lol, have fun http://www.pastey.net/104407 |
| 04:48.41 | Dreagar | but they're right, i don't need that kind of annoyance. :) i just took out the code to show the changelog and updated the version and am done with it. lol |
| 04:49.07 | mikma | except i have typos in there, sorry bout them |
| 04:49.16 | mikma | too tired and small keyboard |
| 04:49.24 | Dreagar | Thanks Mik, i'll keep that for refrence, only thing i hadn't thought about is the getbackdrop() that's a good idea. :) |
| 04:50.15 | mikma | i saw someone cheating once with it, so i use it in my experimentals |
| 04:50.29 | mikma | i think it was beladona or wobin |
| 04:50.32 | Alfuin | ckknight awake? |
| 04:50.43 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:50.50 | Alfuin | does the latest version of pitbull finally get Dogtags right? |
| 04:51.23 | Dreagar | ok, lemme fix the next bug i got. hehe, thanks guys. :) |
| 04:51.27 | Alfuin | Pitbull changelog: "Helps when you put the tag in tags and not branches. /facepalm" |
| 04:52.01 | mikma | yo dawg, i heard you like tags in tabs |
| 04:52.17 | mikma | s/tabs/tags/ |
| 04:53.29 | Tem|afk | yo dawg, i heard you like tags so we put some tags in you tags so you can tag while you tag |
| 04:53.32 | Alfuin | because that dogtag thing has bugged since i got pitbull, and it would be sweet if i could finally use it right |
| 04:53.40 | mikma | tem|afk: booya! |
| 04:53.56 | Tem|afk | ah dogtag |
| 04:53.58 | cbreak | booo svn |
| 04:54.32 | Alfuin | and a pitbull without dogtag is a stray... |
| 04:54.48 | mikma | try oUF lawl |
| 04:54.54 | Tem|afk | yo dawg, I heard you like obnoxiously complex user-unfriendly addons we we put an obnoxiously complex user-unfriendly addon inside of an obnoxiously complex addon so you can be in user hell while you're in user hell |
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| 04:55.09 | WobWork | woah. meta |
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| 04:55.18 | Tem|afk | s/complex/complex, buggy,/g |
| 04:55.30 | Tekkub | complexity cancels itself out |
| 04:55.39 | Tekkub | and all you're left with is an empty addon |
| 04:55.56 | Alfuin | using a lot of memory :P |
| 04:56.05 | Tekkub | same principle as noise-cancelling headphones |
| 04:56.31 | Alfuin | no answer from ck :P |
| 04:56.38 | Tem|afk | there's a shocker |
| 04:56.58 | Tekkub | "He's too busy with his 'real life' to work on addons" |
| 04:57.10 | Tekkub | that's the standard answer these days |
| 04:57.10 | Alfuin | mwahahaha! :D |
| 04:57.17 | WobWork | now now. Lets not get too crabby =P |
| 04:57.37 | Tekkub | I wasn't bein crabby, I was just repeating what I keep hearin |
| 04:59.14 | mikma | wobwork: do like i do, sit and see what the big boys do |
| 04:59.15 | Dreagar | man i hate when real life butts in on my wow'in |
| 04:59.19 | Alfuin | i guess i have to check if pitbull got dogtag myself, then... only wanted ck to confirm and to thank him :P |
| 05:00.31 | Arrowmaster | well since he isnt working on pitbull how can he confirm? |
| 05:00.55 | mikma | alfuin: oUF, wowinterface.com. go. |
| 05:01.02 | Alfuin | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/pit-bull.aspx - projeck manager: ckknight |
| 05:01.15 | Arrowmaster | yes he created it |
| 05:01.18 | Tekkub | oUF >>> buttsex |
| 05:01.22 | Arrowmaster | doesnt mean hes the one working on it now |
| 05:01.34 | Alfuin | k, arror, i get it |
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| 05:01.42 | Alfuin | arrow* |
| 05:03.37 | Alfuin | oUF does not suit me. it is like a skeleton where everyone puts their piece of flesh on it, of variable quality. some are movable and flexible, some are rigid and stuck, and you end up with a freak instead of a good looking woman... metaphors ftw |
| 05:03.59 | Tekkub | women suck |
| 05:04.07 | Tekkub | and bad layout designers suck worse |
| 05:04.50 | mikma | alfuin: i read that like this: |
| 05:05.03 | sacarasc | i wish women would suck more |
| 05:05.12 | mikma | "blah blah i cant code blah blah i suck blah booooohooooo" |
| 05:05.12 | Tekkub | and gee I'm sure no one's made a bad pitbull layout ever |
| 05:06.17 | Alfuin | mikma: haha... :P |
| 05:07.21 | Alfuin | sure, no system is flawless (least of all mikma's stuff) but i chose pitbull because it came in a preset package of core and plugins... ouf is standalone, and you need to get the adds yourself |
| 05:08.23 | Tekkub | You see Alf, the part you're missing here is that no one care if or why you use pitbull |
| 05:08.35 | Tekkub | trying to justify it, doesn't make us like you more |
| 05:08.58 | Tekkub | more likely than not, it's working against you |
| 05:09.05 | Alfuin | i don't care if you like me or not - you clearly support oUF, tekkub |
| 05:09.26 | Alfuin | i just state my opinions, like everyone else does |
| 05:09.30 | mikma | "blah blah i cant code blah blah i suck blah booooohooooo" |
| 05:09.31 | WobWork | well he likes it better than buttsex |
| 05:09.53 | mikma | oh wait, did i already say that |
| 05:10.21 | Tekkub | did you type it again, or just hit the up arrow a few times? |
| 05:10.33 | Alfuin | i clearly was wrong when i thought this would be a nice community of addon coders, helpful and forthcomming, welcoming newbs on lua into the scene... |
| 05:10.45 | mikma | or, third option, copypaste |
| 05:10.53 | mikma | but i pressed arrow x2 |
| 05:11.07 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.13 | WobWork | certainly describes us, I'd say |
| 05:11.26 | Olorin | would someone be kind enough to tell me what lua string command would allow me to take a string such as "54.5,32.5" and split it into two 2f values |
| 05:11.30 | Dreagar | I think so too . hell i'm a newb. :) |
| 05:11.33 | mikma | you got problem, we offer some sort of solution |
| 05:11.39 | WobWork | If you're wanting to start coding lua and write a better unitframe mod, by all means, we're rooting for you |
| 05:11.47 | mikma | you throw it to our face, we are dirty bitches |
| 05:11.51 | Dreagar | and i got more shit from ya'll than i can carry, but i keep comin back. lol |
| 05:11.57 | Alfuin | mikma: yeah... me: i got a problem. you: yeah, you suck. |
| 05:11.58 | Arrowmaster | Olorin: string.split (not a standard lua function but added by blizzard) |
| 05:12.02 | Alfuin | problem solved |
| 05:12.10 | Tekkub | wait I missed the newb to lua part, all I saw was asking ckk crap, and "blah blah i cant code blah blah i suck blah booooohooooo" |
| 05:12.19 | WobWork | That was mikma though |
| 05:12.27 | Tekkub | true |
| 05:12.33 | Olorin | thanks arrow, ill take a looky |
| 05:12.57 | Dreagar | ok, thanks guys ya'll have a nite. :) |
| 05:13.14 | Tekkub | it'll be better without you! |
| 05:13.17 | Tekkub | oh too slow |
| 05:13.21 | WobWork | way too slow |
| 05:13.21 | mikma | <0654> <Alfuin> and a pitbull without dogtag is a stray... |
| 05:13.21 | mikma | <0654> <mikma> try oUF lawl |
| 05:13.47 | Alfuin | sure! helpful! |
| 05:13.51 | Alfuin | lawl |
| 05:14.09 | WobWork | Alfuin: well to be honest. The only person that can help you with pitbull is ckk |
| 05:14.14 | WobWork | Cause noone else can understand his code |
| 05:14.25 | Tekkub | or wants to even look at it |
| 05:14.36 | WobWork | So if he doesn't respond, all we can offer is alternatives |
| 05:15.01 | Tekkub | or you can hunt down his little fan club and bug them, but they're not here |
| 05:15.07 | Alfuin | already in PM chat with him, thanks, wobwork |
| 05:15.08 | WobWork | I, for one, don't even -want- to consider even looking at DogTags |
| 05:15.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ck's fan club is that way ----> #wowace, fyi |
| 05:15.40 | mikma | and thats part of the reason why haste added tags in ouf, and why people use ouf |
| 05:15.45 | Tekkub | are they even there anymore? |
| 05:15.52 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:15.58 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 05:15.59 | Tekkub | I mean, the whole ace3 vs rock thing kinda killed that |
| 05:16.09 | NightHawkTheSane | to be honest, i really haven't paid serious attention in there in months, so |
| 05:16.10 | mikma | umm, #curseforge |
| 05:16.28 | Tekkub | I've not either, unless I get pinged |
| 05:16.39 | Tekkub | and it's usually stupid crap people don't need me for |
| 05:16.48 | Tekkub | like whatever that was just now |
| 05:16.54 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:21.42 | Alfuin | and regarding the pitbull dogtag problem, it seems the latest version solved it, like if anybody cares |
| 05:21.42 | Amarande | what's DogTags do, anyway? |
| 05:22.06 | Alfuin | translated for mikma: "blah blah blah blah yeah you suck too blah blah blah" |
| 05:22.06 | WobWork | allows for user defined variables in unitframes |
| 05:22.30 | Tekkub | and eats babies |
| 05:22.39 | WobWork | so you can say: Oh, I want max health as a percentage, and min health as a number, along with pvpflag, etc |
| 05:22.43 | sacarasc | mmmm, babies |
| 05:23.23 | mikma | someone pinged me but i'm too lazy to read! hlep |
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| 05:29.57 | Shirik|Ecole | hi mikma |
| 05:30.48 | mikma | yikes, nsfs strikes again |
| 05:32.20 | Shirik|Ecole | You know what else strikes again? |
| 05:32.43 | mikma | empire |
| 05:33.06 | Amarande | Lightning? |
| 05:33.17 | Amarande | DoT's? |
| 05:33.33 | Amarande | Windfury proc? |
| 05:34.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I uh |
| 05:34.02 | Olorin | union of unpaid lua helpers? |
| 05:34.06 | Shirik|Ecole | don't really know where I was going with that |
| 05:34.38 | sacarasc | shiriks failure strikes again |
| 05:35.32 | Shirik|Ecole | Well I was going to say something about VMWare eating my code |
| 05:35.39 | Shirik|Ecole | but I think it's actually my code at fault |
| 05:35.48 | Shirik|Ecole | This is just.... rather complicated :/ |
| 05:36.11 | Amarande | PEBKAC |
| 05:36.36 | Shirik|Ecole | truth |
| 05:36.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Do you know how to write a bootloader by any chance? :/ |
| 05:37.06 | sacarasc | yes, but i'm going to bed |
| 05:37.16 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 05:37.17 | Shirik|Ecole | mean |
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| 05:42.12 | Tekkub | I can hook you up with a bootlicker in the meantime |
| 05:42.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Is that you or a friend of yours? |
| 05:42.32 | Tekkub | not I |
| 05:42.44 | Tekkub | I prefer to lick hooman flesh |
| 05:42.52 | Shirik|Ecole | oh ;) |
| 05:42.54 | Tekkub | still attached |
| 05:43.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I think my bootloader is crashing, and I have no way to debug it :/ |
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| 05:56.15 | Tem|afk | Shirik|Ecole, I'd start by proving that it's the bootloader crashing |
| 05:56.42 | Shirik|Ecole | well, given that the bootloader is the only thing that exists, I'm fairly certain it's the bootloader |
| 05:57.11 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm writing the bootloader. All it does is output a message right now, and then go into an infinite loop (or at least it's supposed to) |
| 05:58.12 | sacarasc | have you tried asking the lilo or grub people what they use to debug? |
| 05:59.25 | Shirik|Ecole | That's not a bad idea actually |
| 05:59.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I did already take a look at grub's boot sector to see what they do differently |
| 06:01.45 | Tem|afk | fairly certain != proven imo |
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| 06:06.17 | Amarande | ah, good old lilo |
| 06:06.33 | Amarande | I remember the days where you could do the slightest mistake, reboot, and be greeted with fun things like "LIL-" and a non-bootable machine |
| 06:06.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I used lilo like once |
| 06:07.01 | Shirik|Ecole | Then I moved on to grub almost immediately :) |
| 06:07.22 | ReAn | last time i used lilo was like... slackware 6? |
| 06:15.05 | Tekkub | Kanka... it tastes weird... but good god it's the great thing man ever invented |
| 06:15.43 | Tekkub | *greatest |
| 06:16.08 | Shirik|Ecole | oh wow |
| 06:16.12 | Shirik|Ecole | vmware just crashed |
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| 06:16.16 | Shirik|Ecole | that's... not good |
| 06:16.29 | Amarande | Tekkub, are you getting high on mouth sore medication :| |
| 06:16.33 | Tekkub | would you rather it exploded? |
| 06:16.37 | Fisker- | that's because i slapped you |
| 06:16.40 | Fisker- | that's how awesome i am |
| 06:16.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I would rather it work :( |
| 06:16.47 | Tekkub | Amarande, high on pain going away, yea |
| 06:17.12 | mikma | http://fukung.net/v/4711/pm20060621.png |
| 06:19.51 | ReAn | it's so true |
| 06:20.15 | Tekkub | eh, the IE slice drops down by ~1/3 if you don't support IE6 |
| 06:20.41 | ReAn | yea, but the swearing slice goes up |
| 06:20.59 | Olorin | gnight guys, thanks for your help earlier, addon working :) |
| 06:21.10 | ReAn | cuz you get nitpicky clients / retard users viewing it in ie6 then telling you that you've done it wrong |
| 06:21.24 | mikma | tekkub: http://fukung.net/v/1359/uw.gif |
| 06:21.43 | Tekkub | um, k |
| 06:24.03 | Fisker- | Tekkub and the other slices is just generally getting it to work on firefox |
| 06:24.03 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 06:24.24 | mikma | cairenn: http://fukung.net/v/8896/05b74d8469205148d903017b5f043d44.jpg |
| 06:26.01 | mikma | cairenn: http://fukung.net/v/5258/gremlins.jpg <- what the hell is that? |
| 06:26.26 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 06:26.30 | Cairenn | hi |
| 06:28.44 | Amarande | how's things? |
| 06:29.20 | mikma | more than good! |
| 06:29.40 | ReAn | Cairenn: is it warm on your side of the country? |
| 06:30.02 | Cairenn | actually, relatively - it's +4 atm and raining |
| 06:30.11 | Cairenn | on top of the lovely freezing rain we had all day |
| 06:30.12 | ReAn | fuck |
| 06:30.15 | ReAn | where do you live, im moving |
| 06:30.31 | Cairenn | where are you? |
| 06:30.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ~weather kdab |
| 06:30.35 | ReAn | calgary |
| 06:30.39 | Cairenn | ahhhhh |
| 06:30.41 | Cairenn | Ottawa |
| 06:30.49 | ReAn | it's -30c and -45-50c w/ windchill atm |
| 06:30.55 | Cairenn | and dear, it was -37 lastnight |
| 06:31.09 | Tekkub | http://fukung.net/v/135/knees.jpg |
| 06:31.37 | Cairenn | this is exceptionally warm for here for now |
| 06:32.13 | Amarande | ~weather kdxr |
| 06:32.26 | sacarasc | haha! 3.6c here ;p |
| 06:34.09 | Tekkub | ah I need this on a fucking shirt: http://fukung.net/v/9512/915a8ba6b058a936aa5f5b50116c6cf5.jpg |
| 06:35.52 | Fisker- | seems more like putting down baby than lifting |
| 06:35.53 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 06:38.03 | mikma | tekkub: http://fukung.net/v/6440/FAP!!.gif try that instead |
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| 06:44.22 | mikma | wobin: http://fukung.net/v/6859/dontglazemebro.jpg |
| 06:44.31 | Amarande | oy |
| 06:44.35 | Amarande | I haven't been this drunk in a while |
| 06:46.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I really don't understand the point of being drunk |
| 06:46.23 | Amarande | Shirik: right now because I am completely loco and will just tomorrow be calling the mental doctor |
| 06:46.30 | Amarande | and probably will be a few more days at least before I get real medication |
| 06:47.21 | Amarande | well ... maybe not completely loco, but I've had some severe mental issues the last couple of weeks that need professional attention |
| 06:49.24 | Wobin | http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5032/puppyso9.png |
| 06:49.40 | Wobin | Cairenn: ^^ (if you hadn't also figured from the name of the file) |
| 06:50.07 | Cairenn | Wobin: cute |
| 06:50.40 | Amarande | WTB brain without psychosis issues. :| |
| 06:51.17 | Amarande | if only brain transplants were possible, right? |
| 06:52.36 | ReAn | http://fukung.net/v/6643/kayak.jpg |
| 06:53.09 | Amarande | I think I'd take just about any form of chronic physical illness over mental issues, if I had the choice |
| 07:02.34 | mikma | tekkub: rofl, http://fukung.net/v/8583/2bb5be5f526ba3b806e02a34028423eb.gif |
| 07:04.57 | ccox | Re: kayak, they also suggest swimming the atlantic |
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| 07:08.59 | ReAn | http://fukung.net/v/6555/medium_PETAmeat.jpg |
| 07:10.37 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 07:10.38 | Shirik|Ecole | this is a new one |
| 07:10.41 | Shirik|Ecole | (gdb) info reg |
| 07:10.41 | Shirik|Ecole | The program has no registers now. |
| 07:15.25 | mikma | shirik|ecole: http://fukung.net/v/6920/loginmordor.jpg |
| 07:15.55 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 07:17.19 | mikma | rean: http://fukung.net/v/9990/peta_sux.jpg |
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| 07:19.06 | Thunder_Child | did wrath reduce the range at which nameplates pop up? |
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| 07:44.34 | Thunder_Child | "you dance like you sleep with men, you got to learn to dance by walking a tightrope and humping a chair" |
| 07:52.21 | batrick | whatever mikma linked by that fukung site crashed my firefox :( |
| 07:52.25 | batrick | i r upset |
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| 07:54.01 | Thunder_Child | not mine |
| 07:57.42 | Amarande | Night folks :) |
| 07:57.45 | batrick | gnight |
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| 08:02.17 | mikma | batrick: time to upgrade firepox |
| 08:03.10 | batrick | i really want to switch to chrome :( |
| 08:03.20 | batrick | but linux beta/release isn't out yet =( |
| 08:03.35 | Thunder_Child | ~qq batrick |
| 08:03.36 | purl | CRY MOAR batrick |
| 08:03.43 | batrick | I WILL |
| 08:04.21 | ReAn | lol i broke fukung.net? |
| 08:04.38 | ReAn | Fatal error: Call to undefined method objectBase::config() in /u/web/fukung.net/lib/internal/app.global.php on line 135 |
| 08:15.57 | Shirik|Ecole | hai batrick |
| 08:18.09 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 08:18.23 | batrick | applying to grad schools is bundles of fun |
| 08:18.25 | batrick | fyi |
| 08:18.35 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't have to apply ^_^ |
| 08:18.42 | Shirik|Ecole | nobin, tell batrick about how much Behi loves me :D |
| 08:19.02 | batrick | where are you going to grad school shirik? same uni? |
| 08:19.05 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 08:19.08 | batrick | ah |
| 08:20.36 | Fisker- | OH |
| 08:20.36 | Fisker- | MY |
| 08:20.36 | Fisker- | GOD |
| 08:20.46 | Fisker- | Someone just went online in our guild |
| 08:20.47 | batrick | WAT |
| 08:20.51 | batrick | WHOA |
| 08:20.57 | Fisker- | "Is Ravencrest(our server) down? I can't login on my other account" |
| 08:21.05 | Fisker- | How do i answered my own question? |
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| 08:23.27 | Fisker- | Bad combo |
| 08:23.43 | Fisker- | ethernet cable without a clip to secure it + cats |
| 08:24.37 | Fisker- | you're a bit behind btw Cairenn |
| 08:24.49 | Cairenn | mrh? |
| 08:25.00 | Fisker- | Elitist Jerks3,406,517 |
| 08:25.00 | Fisker- | :P |
| 08:25.09 | Cairenn | oh, that |
| 08:25.10 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:25.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.39 | Fisker- | probably would've been the other way around if it was 3.0 patch day :D |
| 08:25.54 | Cairenn | I'm not too terribly upset, we were at barely 2k before I put the news post up on the sites late friday night, we're at 46+k now |
| 08:26.38 | ReAn | what is this? |
| 08:27.22 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19741 |
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| 08:34.03 | Thunder_Child | heh i have 2% 70's |
| 08:35.47 | Fisker- | nice |
| 08:35.50 | Fisker- | gold spam increased |
| 08:36.01 | Fisker- | goldsellers getting their christmas spirits on |
| 08:36.02 | Fisker- | :o |
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| 08:36.47 | Thunder_Child | no Fisker-, it's just you |
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| 08:38.55 | Elkano | Cairenn, although born in the 80s I scored 60% on 70s :/ |
| 08:39.05 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 08:39.06 | Fisker- | no Thunder_Child |
| 08:39.20 | Fisker- | you lied Elkano! |
| 08:39.52 | Elkano | no, Fisker-, I'm just Retro... |
| 08:40.22 | Elkano | eg I played Heroes 3 yesterday ^^' |
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| 08:40.56 | Thunder_Child | did you ever use the dragon glitch Elkano? |
| 08:41.48 | Elkano | don't think so... but I loved the ghosts in Heroes2 ^^ kill a few peasons and pwn everything with your army of imortals ^^ |
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| 08:50.41 | Thunder_Child | "Microsoft, the company behind Windows Mobile, has released an application for the rival iPhone." |
| 08:58.38 | ReAn | they released ms office for mac too... |
| 08:59.15 | Kalroth | and MSIE for mac |
| 08:59.19 | Kalroth | and .. :) |
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| 09:10.27 | Shirik|Ecole | YES! |
| 09:10.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I am victorious |
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| 09:24.07 | Wobin | hehe, my score almost exactly matches Cair's |
| 09:27.57 | ReAn | match made in heaven? |
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| 09:56.17 | iewnait | hi, anyone know how i can hide a channel from a user? As in make them join a channel which is invisible to them? |
| 09:57.15 | AnduinLothar | you can join it and then hide it in all the chat frames |
| 09:57.43 | AnduinLothar | anything more robust requires extensive hooking and tainting |
| 09:58.24 | AnduinLothar | Satellite lib used to handle it, but it's been abandoned due to excessive tainting |
| 09:58.25 | iewnait | tu |
| 09:58.27 | iewnait | ty |
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| 10:23.05 | Fisker- | btw Blizzard = bunch of failures |
| 10:23.13 | Fisker- | They didn't even fix the Winter Reveler bug |
| 10:23.26 | Fisker- | Oh and i'll probably be banned just for confirming that |
| 10:23.35 | Arrowmaster | what bug? |
| 10:23.49 | Fisker- | that you can get more mistletoe gifts in per hour |
| 10:23.59 | Arrowmaster | how? |
| 10:24.08 | Fisker- | Kissing both revelers |
| 10:27.42 | AnduinLothar | so... how do i convert <TexCoords left="0" right="0.0625" top="0" bottom="0.625"/> to Texture:SetTexCoord(minX, maxX, minY, maxY) or SetTexCoord(ULx, ULy, LLx, LLy, URx, URy, LRx, LRy) |
| 10:29.12 | AnduinLothar | oh ok... (left,right,top,bottom) |
| 10:29.20 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.01 | AnduinLothar | clad|sleep: ^^ http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoord |
| 10:30.14 | Fisker- | watch out though Arrowmaster |
| 10:30.20 | Fisker- | it's vry srs exploitation |
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| 10:32.01 | clad|sleep | AnduinLothar: do you mind editing the page |
| 10:32.05 | clad|sleep | if not i'll do it, but |
| 10:32.29 | clad|sleep | Nevemind, it's done |
| 10:32.33 | Dezzimal | Fisker-: can't you just do it by spamming one reveler? |
| 10:32.36 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 10:32.38 | clad|sleep | but it is a wiki |
| 10:32.47 | clad|sleep | well, I have quite a bit goin gon |
| 10:32.57 | clad|sleep | you telling me everytime a change needs to be made doesn't scale very well |
| 10:33.10 | AnduinLothar | no, of course it doesn't |
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| 10:33.11 | Fisker- | not anymore Dezzimal |
| 10:33.18 | Fisker- | you could at some point though |
| 10:33.21 | AnduinLothar | but it's only me ;) |
| 10:33.50 | AnduinLothar | i'll me unlazy eventually and make an account |
| 10:33.57 | AnduinLothar | be* |
| 10:34.38 | AnduinLothar | but i mean the thing it has going for it over wowwiki is that it has dedicated maintainers |
| 10:39.37 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 10:39.52 | cladhaire | hopefully in the next review we can get the widget documentation up to par |
| 10:40.34 | AnduinLothar | does wow have a round function implemented? i don't think lua does |
| 10:40.42 | AnduinLothar | not that it's hard |
| 10:42.35 | cladhaire | the "round function" isn't clearly defined |
| 10:42.41 | cladhaire | you have to implement one on your own |
| 10:43.31 | AnduinLothar | seems the base 10 with a precision arg would be fairly common |
| 10:44.48 | cladhaire | but bankers is just as common |
| 10:44.52 | cladhaire | :P |
| 10:47.52 | AnduinLothar | true enough |
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| 10:49.32 | AnduinLothar | tho bankers has been the ASTM standard since 1940 |
| 10:49.49 | AnduinLothar | not that that's global |
| 10:50.51 | AnduinLothar | could use Stochastic rounding too |
| 10:51.28 | Wobin | heheh |
| 10:51.42 | Wobin | Mine Sweeper is one of the most entertaining achievements |
| 10:51.54 | AnduinLothar | heh, ya it was fun |
| 10:52.01 | AnduinLothar | tho not as hard as i expected |
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| 11:07.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | i used to have a checkbox bottun whit a line of text behind it but since patch 3.0.2 it nolonger works. here is my code as it was before 3.0.2 http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104412 . anyone got any idea how i can get it to work again on 3.0.2 ? atm i only get a checkbox no text |
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| 11:17.52 | AnduinLothar | CheckButton doesn't automatically come with a FontString |
| 11:18.00 | AnduinLothar | try inheriting "OptionsCheckButtonTemplate" |
| 11:18.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah oke ill try |
| 11:18.48 | AnduinLothar | then you also wont need a lot of the setup you're doing with textures |
| 11:19.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | :P yeh i gues |
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| 11:20.35 | AnduinLothar | also i dont think SetText will work ont he checkbutton, you'll have to do _G[frame:GetName().."Text"]:SetText(text) |
| 11:21.19 | AnduinLothar | and by "behind it" i'm assumign you mean next to it |
| 11:21.48 | AnduinLothar | not sure why you would want text 'behind' a checkbutton |
| 11:22.14 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 11:22.17 | AnduinLothar | oh |
| 11:22.24 | AnduinLothar | 20x20 button |
| 11:22.34 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 11:22.41 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i dunno. try the template |
| 11:23.24 | batrick | new thing on my server is to sell alliance cooking recipes |
| 11:23.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | it used tobe something like [ ] "Bla bla bla" |
| 11:24.04 | AnduinLothar | yeah, next to |
| 11:24.09 | batrick | poor perfectionists |
| 11:24.33 | AnduinLothar | are there different faction recipies? |
| 11:24.51 | batrick | what was the bug that caused wow to segfault if you had a frame that you set its global reference to nil and then wow tried to internally use it? |
| 11:25.14 | batrick | err, e.g. SomeBlizzFrame = nil; -> later on WoW tries to use it and segfaults |
| 11:25.35 | batrick | was that how it worked? |
| 11:26.53 | AnduinLothar | never heard of it |
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| 11:29.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | i do know that QuestHelper van case wow to crash while opening a flightpath frame :P |
| 11:30.17 | batrick | my game is crashing sometimes when I let the game automatically close a window (e.g. vendor window by moving away) or, if I have new mail upon logging in, I open the mailbox |
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| 11:37.32 | Antiarc | I writed a new addon |
| 11:37.47 | Antiarc | If you guys use a) lots of addons, b) Rock addons, or c) QuestHelper, it'll likely help you |
| 11:37.57 | Antiarc | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/zoom.aspx |
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| 11:49.57 | ZorbaTHut | does QH explicitly garbage-collect during load or something? |
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| 11:55.41 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 11:55.44 | Antiarc | Rock does too |
| 11:55.48 | Antiarc | Rather aggressively |
| 11:56.02 | ZorbaTHut | I don't suppose you can tell me what line it's on? if not, I'll go track it down on my own :) |
| 11:56.28 | Antiarc | Uhh, lemme see |
| 11:57.27 | Antiarc | Well, it was 445 before I updated my mods just now, latest version has it commented out it seems |
| 11:57.39 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I thought I'd fixed that one |
| 11:57.40 | ZorbaTHut | righto :) |
| 11:57.45 | ZorbaTHut | you must have quite an old version |
| 11:57.49 | ZorbaTHut | well |
| 11:57.50 | ZorbaTHut | must have had |
| 11:58.02 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: you're QH's current upkeep right? |
| 11:58.06 | ZorbaTHut | rean, I am indeed |
| 11:58.27 | ReAn | did you know that about 50% of the intro icecrown quests dont register w/ QH? |
| 11:58.36 | ZorbaTHut | when was the last time you updated? |
| 11:59.04 | ReAn | Curse Client keeps me up to date automagically |
| 11:59.20 | ReAn | the later quests (Shadow Vault onward) all seem to work now |
| 11:59.27 | ZorbaTHut | hmm. was this within the last few days? |
| 11:59.36 | ReAn | about 3-4 days ago |
| 11:59.38 | ZorbaTHut | 'cause I made a build a few days ago, and it was about a week after the one before it. |
| 11:59.58 | ReAn | but a lot of the Ogrim's Hammer / Ymirheim quests didn't show up |
| 12:00.15 | ZorbaTHut | I am going to tentatively call this "fixed three days ago", then, unless you can duplicate it today :) that said, I'm starting Icecrown on my own tomorrow or the day after and I'll keep an eye out |
| 12:00.21 | ZorbaTHut | I *think* it's just that nobody had submitted them |
| 12:00.34 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm guessing the majority of quests are in at this point |
| 12:00.44 | ReAn | well it has the later ones |
| 12:00.52 | ReAn | im not demanding a fix, i just wanted you to be aware |
| 12:00.57 | ZorbaTHut | my theory is that it updated between you doing early Icecrown and later Icecrown |
| 12:01.08 | ZorbaTHut | and that the fact that it has the later ones indicates that it also now has the early ones :) |
| 12:01.17 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's definitely appreciated to let me know |
| 12:01.37 | ZorbaTHut | as I said, I'm guessing it's fixed, but I'll look for it when I'm going through there |
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| 12:02.53 | ReAn | you horde? |
| 12:03.31 | ZorbaTHut | Alliance |
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| 12:03.51 | ZorbaTHut | might not work as well then :P well, hmm |
| 12:04.04 | ReAn | yea |
| 12:04.06 | ReAn | oh well |
| 12:04.12 | ReAn | it's all working now anyway |
| 12:04.26 | ZorbaTHut | good 'nuff then |
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| 13:57.56 | alestane | She's alive! |
| 13:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | Only just barely, alestane, but yeah... I'm mobile again. |
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| 14:06.58 | |FF|Im2good4u | it seems :SetTextFontObject on checkbottun got removed in last patch |
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| 14:08.31 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | Herro, Lunessa-dear. |
| 14:15.08 | Lunessa | I'm not volunteering to move the trash. I know where that leads... Next you have me painting the bedroom, fixing the leaky faucet in the bathroom, shopping for a new fridge... |
| 14:15.42 | Lopeppeppy | No, that would be perhaps shopping for a new computer... not sure yet if my electronics survived 2 days at freezing temperatures. :( |
| 14:16.20 | alestane | Just sitting should be okay...make sure they got to warm up thoroughly before you try and run them again though. |
| 14:16.21 | Lunessa | Electronics don't mind cold so much. Unless they had water in/near them. It's heat that jacks them. |
| 14:22.30 | alestane | Is it just me, or does about 20% of the forum currently consist of people's attempts/requests to make their mount macro work properly in various parts of Northrend? |
| 14:22.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I'm letting them warm up until tomorrow... I'm a weeee bit nervous to turn things on and have them go fphtttttt. *sigh* |
| 14:24.17 | Lunessa | alestane: Only 20% ? It feels higher. |
| 14:24.35 | alestane | As long as they're at the same temperature as the room, they should be okay. It's running a system that's substantially colder than it's surroundings that's supposed to be dangerous. But of course, waiting longer won't hurt anything. |
| 14:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | I am a coward. I will wait! :) |
| 14:26.05 | Lunessa | CDs and HDDs need time to warm up. Anything that has moving parts is going to be a little sluggish. |
| 14:28.30 | alestane | What actual range does UnitInRange check for? The wowprog reference just says "in range of your most useful spells." |
| 14:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. That's a wicked good question. |
| 14:30.01 | alestane | And this guy is bitching that the stock UI tells him units are in range when they're within 30-35 yards, and he wants to know if they're within 40 yards, because that's his healing range. |
| 14:31.49 | Lopeppeppy | Is that healing range extended by talents, or is that normal range? I forget, but I think that's talent augmented. |
| 14:32.22 | alestane | I don't know, I'm afraid, my healer is still level 60. Although I could check the default spell range easily enough. |
| 14:32.56 | Lopeppeppy | Default UI going with default values, OMG no WAI!! :) |
| 14:33.36 | Lunessa | 40 yards it talent-augmented. |
| 14:33.47 | alestane | Post from Rislyn from February: Alexander is correct, there's a function called UnitInRange(unit) that returns a boolean based upon a static value (because we can't predict what spell you might want to cast) that is based upon Flash Heal/Cure range. So yes, it could return true incorrectly. We haven't quite built the AI that will predict the action of any player in every game situation... yet! |
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| 14:35.20 | iewnait | hi. anyone know the api that allow me to create a new chat window? |
| 14:36.28 | digmouse | sounds protected |
| 14:36.59 | iewnait | u mean it's not allowed? |
| 14:37.00 | alestane | I believe it would just be "CreateFrame". |
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| 14:38.56 | alestane | CreateFrame("ScrollingMessageFrame"), or to emulate the built-ins more closely, CreateFrame("ScrollingMessageFrame", yourChatFrameName, UIParent, "ChatFrameTemplate"). |
| 14:39.58 | iewnait | i see |
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| 14:40.15 | iewnait | then for the api JoinChannelByName("channelName" [,"password" [,frameID]]) |
| 14:40.26 | iewnait | what does that frameID arg refers to? |
| 14:40.51 | alestane | !api JoinCHannelByName |
| 14:40.51 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'JoinChannelByName' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/JoinChannelByName |
| 14:41.15 | iewnait | ty alot |
| 14:41.48 | alestane | "This function is Deprecated and is no longer in use." |
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| 14:42.31 | iewnait | i see |
| 14:42.45 | iewnait | wowwiki doesn't document that |
| 14:42.51 | iewnait | tks for the site |
| 14:42.55 | iewnait | it look great |
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| 14:44.11 | alestane | Thank cladhaire, he's the one who poured weeks into getting it ready and writing the book. |
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| 14:44.49 | alestane | !api JoinPermanentChannel |
| 14:44.49 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'JoinPermanentChannel' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/JoinPermanentChannel |
| 14:45.07 | iewnait | yup, looking at that now :) |
| 14:52.05 | foxlit | I wonder where people pull deprecated tags from |
| 14:52.48 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfICnfpy5k |
| 14:52.51 | mikma | yey for authenticating-token! |
| 14:53.03 | phyber | I like that the page saying it's deprecated tells you where to look, but fails to provide a link to the new page. |
| 14:54.16 | Lopeppeppy | afk sheeple! |
| 14:55.02 | foxlit | But seriously, that deprecated designation is odd, and that signature is just wrong. |
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| 14:57.17 | alestane | foxlit: JoinChannelByName isn't called anywhere in the stock UI. |
| 14:57.43 | foxlit | Are all functions that aren't called by the default UI deprecated? |
| 14:58.50 | alestane | I think that's the closest thing there is to a formal definition of "deprecated" in this context, especially if there's no other function that provides the same functionality. |
| 14:59.34 | foxlit | Seems like a lousy definition to me. Why isn't SendAddonMessage removed yet? :) |
| 15:00.11 | alestane | Since Blizzard doesn't provide much support or documentation for the API, there's no list of "officially deprecated" functions. |
| 15:00.38 | alestane | And see my comment about equivalent functionality as far as SendAddonMessage goes. |
| 15:00.48 | foxlit | That is: there isn't any. |
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| 15:03.13 | foxlit | Blizzard does provide information on upcoming changes, however. |
| 15:03.33 | foxlit | So there might well be a post staying "Foo() is deprecated and will be removed in ..." |
| 15:04.51 | foxlit | "especially if there's no other function that provides the same functionality." << seems backwards, too. |
| 15:05.07 | alestane | slouken and the rest have the team have been good enough to spend their time keeping us somewhat up to date. The whole array of _G.this, _G.event, _G.arg1, etc has been technically "deprecated" since 2.0, although the stock UI continued using them until 3.0. |
| 15:05.10 | foxlit | Things are more likely to be deprecated if they duplicate functionality, not if they're the only way to access functionality. |
| 15:05.56 | alestane | The concept got across, anyway. The two parts of that sentence weren't fully connected in any case. |
| 15:06.57 | foxlit | The point is, someone is stamping "deprecated" tags arbitrarily; it's not a good thing to do. "Not used in the default ui" might be better. |
| 15:07.18 | alestane | You can talk to cladhaire then, it's his wiki. |
| 15:08.03 | alestane | I believe there were some folks at Blizzard who donated some time to getting the API reference filled out, so it could possibly be attributed to one of them, not sure. |
| 15:08.21 | sioraioc_ | i take it you guys are complaining about the API reference? |
| 15:09.03 | sioraiocht | (sorry, I hear his computer squawk everytime you say his name) |
| 15:09.04 | alestane | foxlit appears to feel that the term "deprecated" sounds more official than it actually appears to be. |
| 15:09.12 | sioraiocht | ? |
| 15:09.51 | |pez| | If I saw something was deprecated, I'd automatically assume it wasn't supported. |
| 15:09.57 | alestane | i.e., what is the source for referring to a function as deprecated? |
| 15:10.07 | sioraiocht | |pez|: then you don't know what deprecated means |
| 15:10.31 | sioraiocht | alestane: I dunno, I'll ask clad when he gets home, though =p |
| 15:10.52 | sioraiocht | |pez|: deprecation means that something IS being supported...for now |
| 15:11.14 | Industrial | ~seen tuller |
| 15:11.17 | purl | tuller <n=Tuller@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 8d 18h 41m 59s ago, saying: 'dewdrop is evil anyway'. |
| 15:11.17 | sioraiocht | it's a way to ease the transition to other fucntions |
| 15:11.19 | Industrial | hi sio |
| 15:11.22 | sioraiocht | hiya Industrial |
| 15:11.27 | Industrial | how are you |
| 15:11.36 | sioraiocht | fine, doing REALLY boring OO work |
| 15:11.41 | Industrial | heh |
| 15:12.00 | Industrial | I don't really, i think its ok actually :P |
| 15:12.07 | Industrial | .. i just dont like java |
| 15:12.13 | sioraiocht | lol, i see it has its...place |
| 15:12.31 | sioraiocht | that place is just never in any of _my_ projecgs |
| 15:12.37 | |pez| | I sort of knew that, dealing with html deprecation and whatnot. But it sort of says it isn't gonna be supported for much longer. It'll work, but it's not the best way. |
| 15:13.09 | alestane | It's also usually used in the context of "...deprecated in favor of..." |
| 15:13.21 | sioraiocht | |pez|: yes, although "much longer" is a nebulous term |
| 15:13.30 | sioraiocht | that often varies even within projects |
| 15:13.31 | sioraiocht | heh |
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| 15:23.17 | sioraiocht | alestane: yes, I am not sure how cladhaire chose deprecation, I will tell him to get back to you all :) |
| 15:23.40 | Lunessa | People who necro nearly-year-old threads for an unrelated question should have their bits smacked with a hammer. |
| 15:23.42 | Kraps | does CoT strat require attunement ? |
| 15:24.01 | zenzelezz | no |
| 15:24.17 | Kraps | thanks |
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| 15:29.15 | kneeki | Morning Everyone |
| 15:31.52 | Lopeppeppy | Hi! |
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| 15:37.16 | Lopeppeppy | How ya doin', Shirik? |
| 15:38.42 | Shirik|Ecole | Very tired atm |
| 15:38.42 | Shirik|Ecole | and I need to get to the airport soon |
| 15:38.42 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya. I soooo hear ya. |
| 15:38.44 | Lopeppeppy | Going home for the holidays? Are there flights? :) |
| 15:41.18 | Shirik|Ecole | No no flights |
| 15:41.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I just felt I might go to the airport to say hi |
| 15:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | PITA. *poke* |
| 15:41.35 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 15:41.44 | Lopeppeppy | Wondering if the bad weather effected your home airport! |
| 15:42.18 | Shirik|Ecole | nah |
| 15:42.23 | Shirik|Ecole | it's DC, that airport can't shut down |
| 15:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, sure, be that way. |
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| 16:05.48 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/15/funny-pictures-loud-to-kil-tings-why-iz-got-dese-tings-for/ |
| 16:06.16 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
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| 16:13.18 | p3lim | finally got my CE in the mail |
| 16:13.49 | Anaral | What is the svn:eol-style property? And where do I set it? |
| 16:16.33 | Lopeppeppy | My horrorscope says that today will be a good day. |
| 16:18.16 | cbreak | Anaral: probably has to do with the end-of-line character |
| 16:18.38 | cbreak | windows/dos uses CR+LF, the old mac os only CR and Unix only LF |
| 16:18.45 | cbreak | who knows what UTF uses... |
| 16:19.00 | Anaral | I keep getting the error when I try to upload QualityID via SVN to Curseforge. |
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| 16:22.38 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: set the property on your files |
| 16:22.46 | Gnarfoz | in/with your svn client |
| 16:22.51 | Gnarfoz | should be set to "native" |
| 16:24.16 | Anaral | Got it, thank you. |
| 16:26.18 | Anaral | That worked. Thank you again Gnarfoz |
| 16:26.22 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: that's also not related to unicode at all ;) |
| 16:27.05 | cbreak | you never know. unicode has a ton of end-of-line chars :) |
| 16:27.14 | cbreak | (well, maybe svn doesn't care about those) |
| 16:27.42 | Anaral | Out of curiosity is CF's packager still not updating when I make changes to the SVN? |
| 16:28.11 | Corr-work | i prefer to surprise my client, so i set it to "naive" |
| 16:29.35 | Arrowmaster | Skipping zip for wow/qid/qualityid, it has a new alpha build but is set to package 'Release only'. |
| 16:29.39 | Arrowmaster | Anaral: ^^^^ |
| 16:30.09 | Anaral | Grr. Why won't it package as Release? |
| 16:31.58 | Arrowmaster | because you didnt make a tag |
| 16:34.11 | Anaral | So do I just copy to new branch/tag with TortoiseSVN? |
| 16:34.23 | Lunessa | Corr-work: if your client is naive, then can I get it drunk and take advantage of it? :P |
| 16:36.09 | cladhaire | foxlit: I list deprecated functions via specific means |
| 16:36.20 | cladhaire | where its been clarified for me, or I know its part of a deprecated system |
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| 16:38.22 | Corr-work | mmm |
| 16:38.55 | Corr-work | speaking of which, it's time to seal up my patio door thingy, because it leaks a lot of air and is making the place very cold |
| 16:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | I just hung a blackout curtain over mine, sealing was waaaaay too much trouble. |
| 16:39.46 | Corr-work | unfortunately, i don't think a curtain will stop the breeze that blows across the floor |
| 16:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | Weight the bottom. Blackout curtains are made to be draft blockers too. I put an extra rolled up blanket at the bottom, behind the curtain. |
| 16:40.26 | Corr-work | last year i used packing tape all over the damn thing, but i'd like to consider using one of those plastic kits made for this job |
| 16:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, the hair-dryer-sealing-kits. Those are awesome... IF you don't touch it all winter and spoil the tension of the plastic. |
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| 16:40.58 | Corr-work | i don't have a hair dryer. i can always get one. |
| 16:41.13 | Corr-work | i just can't imagine how they're supposed to stick up on the wall, or whatever they do |
| 16:42.16 | Lunessa | Basically they use shrink-wrap to seal the frame. |
| 16:42.34 | Anaral | Arrowmaster: Instead of svn+ssh://svn@svn.curseforge.net/wow/qid/qualityid/trunk I should replace trunk with tags/release, correct? |
| 16:42.42 | Corr-work | when you say "frame", what do your mean? there's just a depression in the wall, basically, with a sliding window/door in it |
| 16:42.48 | Corr-work | i looked at the instructions on a box last year and couldn't make sense of them at all |
| 16:42.49 | Lopeppeppy | Corr-work, it starts with double sided sticky tape. |
| 16:42.55 | Corr-work | aaaah |
| 16:42.57 | Arrowmaster | Anaral: you have to make a new tag everytime |
| 16:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | You can put that on the frame outside of the depression. |
| 16:43.18 | Corr-work | when you say "frame", you mean the empty wall, then? |
| 16:43.33 | Lopeppeppy | Depression for door. Wooden frame around it. Then wall. |
| 16:43.41 | Anaral | but essentially it should be sent to tags/releasewhatever, right?\ |
| 16:43.48 | Corr-work | there's no wooden frame |
| 16:43.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 16:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | There is some framework that the door sits in. Take photo IMO. |
| 16:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Close up of like the top of the door or something, then I can circle the right spot! |
| 16:44.40 | Corr-work | hm. well, it'll have to wait until after work, if i do |
| 16:45.14 | Lopeppeppy | We can describe it all day, but a picture is worth a thousand words, as is a red pen. |
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| 16:46.50 | frop | dello, got a "dumb" question... |
| 16:47.05 | frop | from wowwiki: |
| 16:47.06 | frop | XML Files - This holds the layout of frames you have created for your addon. |
| 16:47.15 | frop | where could i fing docs about this? |
| 16:47.33 | cladhaire | you could read our book, it certainly covers it :P |
| 16:47.36 | frop | ok...sorry...dumb indeed |
| 16:47.45 | frop | ...just scroll down :P |
| 16:47.50 | cladhaire | =) |
| 16:47.51 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:47.55 | frop | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface |
| 16:48.04 | frop | which book? |
| 16:48.06 | frop | btw |
| 16:48.10 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 16:48.11 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 16:48.13 | cladhaire | that one :P |
| 16:48.47 | frop | aye, will certanly do...just starting to modify the layout of an addon |
| 16:49.06 | cladhaire | feel free to take a look at it, it may suit your needs |
| 16:49.10 | frop | trying to find how to make text inside buttons smaller for now ^^ |
| 16:49.11 | cladhaire | but we can certainly help here in the meantime :P |
| 16:50.15 | cladhaire | frop: you can do the following ButtonObject:SetNormalFontObject(GameFontHighlightSmall), I think |
| 16:50.19 | cladhaire | will make it one size smaller |
| 16:50.32 | cladhaire | otherwise you can specify a bit more detail by creating a new font object with a custom filename/height |
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| 16:51.03 | frop | mmmh |
| 16:51.17 | frop | cannot do it from xml? |
| 16:51.29 | frop | well, let me read something first :) |
| 16:51.45 | cladhaire | you could do it from XML as well |
| 16:51.53 | cladhaire | each method has an analog in the other |
| 16:52.10 | frop | within the <button > </button> thingy i guess |
| 16:52.21 | cladhaire | aye |
| 16:52.28 | frop | ok, i'll start from here for now :) |
| 16:52.30 | frop | thank you |
| 16:52.33 | cladhaire | if you use http://wowuidev.pastey.net we may be able to help you |
| 16:52.35 | cladhaire | just paste the xml code |
| 16:52.39 | cladhaire | or feel free to experiment yourself |
| 16:53.01 | frop | eheh, coding on another machine...this is just my irc terminal |
| 16:53.11 | frop | but i'll do if i've problems |
| 16:56.10 | Lopeppeppy | Button button, who's got the button... |
| 16:57.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | anyone know a good template to inhert for a simpel button whit text ? |
| 16:57.56 | p3lim | haste: mounts doesnt trigger .casting to true |
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| 16:58.59 | frop | |FF|Im2good4u lol |
| 16:59.48 | frop | <Button name="Pippo" inherits=UIPanelButtonTemplate" text="Pluto" id="1"> |
| 16:59.52 | frop | this should do |
| 17:00.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah yeh thats a good one |
| 17:00.32 | frop | but i cannot find which "defaults" it gives ya :) |
| 17:00.41 | frop | it's actually what i'm searching |
| 17:00.55 | frop | missing a " bt |
| 17:00.56 | frop | w |
| 17:01.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | i used to make my own text on a button whit :SetTextFontObject() but that got remvoed so now i need a bottun that gas a frame:GetName() .."Text" field to enter a text |
| 17:02.52 | alestane | |FF|Im2good4u: I believe :SetTextFontObject was changed to :SetNormalTextFontObject. |
| 17:03.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | oww right lol iam rewrting my addon fro no real reason then :P |
| 17:06.09 | Lunessa | Is forum search completely broken, or is the googlefu of the world so weak that they can't find answers to oft-repeated questions? |
| 17:06.54 | Olorin | anyone know if theirs an easy way of converting the results of TextString:GetTextColor() into the escape string value? |
| 17:06.58 | alestane | It's :SetNormalFontObject now, my bad. |
| 17:07.28 | Olorin | or do i have to take the rgb values and convert them individually |
| 17:07.34 | Lopeppeppy | Forum search is broken and they are lazy. |
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| 17:10.41 | alestane | Olorin: Does it return r, g, b, a or, what? |
| 17:10.58 | Olorin | aye r,g,b,a |
| 17:11.13 | Olorin | but in 0-1 value |
| 17:12.08 | Olorin | im assuming ill have to push it to 3 holding variables and use tohex or some funcition |
| 17:12.47 | alestane | Then since you'd have to scale them to the 0-255 range, yeah, I think you'll have to capture all four, and multiply them, then you can feed them into a string.format or whatever your assembly mechanism of choice is. |
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| 17:13.46 | Olorin | ok thanks, just thought id ask before i fiddle about down that path |
| 17:14.01 | alestane | local r, b, g, a = someString:GetTextColor(); string.format("|c%x%x%x%x", a * 256, r * 256, g * 256, b* 256) |
| 17:15.18 | Olorin | nice, thanks a lot, im still learning how to do stuff in one pass instead of 6 lines of code to do same thing |
| 17:18.00 | alestane | The %x specifies that the numbers supplied should be formatted into the resulting string using base 16. |
| 17:18.29 | alestane | Oh, only multiply the values by 255, not 256. |
| 17:18.41 | alestane | A * 255, R * 255, etc. |
| 17:19.38 | Olorin | okies, giving it a go now |
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| 17:30.40 | Olorin | alestine , tried that but when i print the values of the r,g,b,a they seem to have been either not converted to 16base or somthing... ive not used that method of assigning values to variables in one pass, does it need the whole statemend after = in parentathies |
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| 17:56.44 | cbreak | Olorin: show the code :) |
| 17:57.10 | Olorin | well, changed it quite a bit now lol sec |
| 17:57.39 | Olorin | bcsR, bcsG, bcsB, bcsA = bcsPointToTextCurrentLoc:GetTextColor(); string.format("|c%x%x%x%x", bcsR * 255, bcsG * 255, bcsB * 255, bcsA* 255) |
| 17:57.41 | Olorin | bcsR=string.format("%x", bcsR * 255) |
| 17:57.42 | Olorin | bcsG=string.format("%x", bcsG * 255) |
| 17:57.44 | Olorin | bcsB=string.format("%x", bcsB * 255) |
| 17:57.46 | Olorin | bcsA=string.format("%x", bcsA * 255) |
| 17:58.15 | cbreak | why don't you make that in one format? |
| 17:58.37 | cbreak | and the last four lines are not needed. |
| 17:58.54 | Olorin | cause I cant fathom out why the first line wont do what the last 4 do |
| 17:59.03 | cbreak | oh, easy |
| 17:59.11 | cbreak | you don't assign the formated string anywhere |
| 17:59.17 | cbreak | it just goes poof after creation |
| 17:59.39 | cbreak | local colorString = string.format("|c%x%x%x%x", bcsR * 255, bcsG * 255, bcsB * 255, bcsA* 255); for example |
| 18:01.09 | Olorin | I see, just wasnt sure if I would need them indvidually in order to reassign them later, not quite sure what im doing, brain is still in the bed and in netural |
| 18:01.29 | cbreak | I have no idea what you want to do |
| 18:01.34 | Olorin | =) |
| 18:01.35 | cbreak | probably pass it to some api function of the chat |
| 18:01.54 | cbreak | but you have the original color in the four variables bcsR and so on |
| 18:02.25 | cbreak | the colorString is just an other representation. the representation some parts of WoW want |
| 18:02.32 | Olorin | my initial intention was just to get the default escape sequence for the bliz input template |
| 18:03.27 | Olorin | so i could do X: xloc Y: yloc with the variables in a different color |
| 18:03.28 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences? |
| 18:04.15 | Olorin | yep thats wha ive been looking at, that works fine now, thanks |
| 18:06.06 | Kraps | would any of you buy Small Egg at 2g a pop? |
| 18:06.33 | cbreak | no. |
| 18:06.39 | Olorin | only if its a small golden egg lol |
| 18:06.58 | Kraps | OHH its cheaper than AH! |
| 18:08.35 | Kraps | btw i just did CoT Strat, wiped 3 times on 1st boss, once on last |
| 18:08.42 | Anaral | Could someone please help me figure out why I'm getting this error: http://www.pastey.net/104430? Here is the code: http://www.pastey.net/104431 |
| 18:10.20 | cbreak | did you try to print quality? |
| 18:11.01 | alestane | It sounds like it's getting something, I'd guess a function or table, as a table key where it was expecting something else. |
| 18:11.20 | Anaral | alestane how do I fix it? lol |
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| 18:12.11 | cbreak | it gets a nil as table key I think |
| 18:12.27 | alestane | You're probably checking an empty bag slot. |
| 18:12.49 | alestane | Or no, you're calling a link for an item you don't have cached yet. |
| 18:13.39 | Anaral | Is there a way to get it to not throw an error on nil? |
| 18:13.57 | alestane | I'd put lines 97 and 98 inside an if statement: if quality then .. end |
| 18:15.01 | alestane | oh, and instead of using type as a variable name, you're better off using itemType or something of the sort. Assign it to a local 'type' and the global function type() becomes unavailable in scope. |
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| 18:27.05 | Anaral | alestane: Awesome, thank you! So far no errors thrown when an uncached item is loaded. |
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| 19:01.07 | foxlit | 10.5.6: "Improves performance and reliability of Chess" |
| 19:01.20 | Shirik | rawr |
| 19:01.24 | Shirik | Apparently I have a 2 hour layover |
| 19:01.25 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:02.19 | Kraps | wow i am really bored |
| 19:02.59 | Kraps | i'm just following people around in westfall |
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| 19:06.06 | Corr-work | i've gotten back to playing fallout 3, after my little vacation from it |
| 19:06.55 | Corr-work | i'm probably halfway through it now, between the quests and exploring the map |
| 19:07.38 | Corr-work | nah, who am i kidding... over half, but there's still quite a bit to go |
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| 19:18.12 | Dashkal | *meh* looks like they're going through with requiring arena points on the blue pvp set |
| 19:18.22 | Dashkal | So glad I made myself the blacksmithing set |
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| 19:20.11 | Lunessa | station |
| 19:22.04 | Sixen | Maaven cleaned the PTR Forum, woo! |
| 19:24.13 | Lunessa | woo. No more necro-able posts. |
| 19:25.46 | Sixen | :P |
| 19:27.11 | NeoTron | so is it true that you essentially never will need more than 2 tanks in 25-man raids? someone noted that this was a comment from blues at some point but without a source |
| 19:27.28 | zenzelezz | no |
| 19:27.37 | zenzelezz | try Sartharion with three drakes and only two tanks |
| 19:28.04 | zenzelezz | in many cases though you can get away with two tanks |
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| 19:32.16 | Tem|afk | in theory you can do 25mans with just 2 tanks |
| 19:32.31 | Tem|afk | but it's usually much easier on your raid to use 3 tanks |
| 19:32.50 | zenzelezz | Tem: the statement is too general. You can do *most* 25-mans with two tanks, that's correct |
| 19:33.10 | Tem|afk | name one that's impossible with only 2 tanks |
| 19:33.31 | zenzelezz | I already did, 3-drake Sartharion |
| 19:33.48 | Tem|afk | it's doable |
| 19:33.50 | Tem|afk | just very hard |
| 19:34.13 | Tem|afk | maybe even beyond the gear we currently have access to |
| 19:34.15 | Tem|afk | but that's not the point |
| 19:34.24 | zenzelezz | I'd say that is the point |
| 19:34.37 | zenzelezz | but matter of opinoin |
| 19:34.41 | zenzelezz | or opinion |
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| 19:46.20 | Dewin | ooh the test realm forum is spammed with new posts, maybe that means they fixed it |
| 19:47.16 | Dewin | oh. never mind. they just deleted the ones that were before it was properly life |
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| 19:54.04 | Amarande | dang, I forgot Winter Veil started today |
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| 19:54.46 | Amarande | ok ... 'earn 50 honorable kills as a helper from the winter wondervolt' |
| 19:55.00 | Amarande | how does that one work on a pve server ... you have to hope that you pass through the BG queue in time after going into the machine? |
| 19:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | or, you could.. not be an idiot, and wait until your queue pops before going into the machine |
| 19:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | and its the same on pve and pvp servers |
| 19:55.53 | Corr-work | smirk |
| 19:56.03 | NightHawkTheSane | non-assholes don't pvp outside of arenas or bgs on pvp servers |
| 19:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | (barring actual world pvp objectives, not that anyone does the outlands ones anymore) |
| 19:57.02 | Amarande | heh, yeah, there's probably servers where no one ever gets any of what those auchindoun shards were called anymore |
| 19:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | spirit shards. but that doesn't matter, because they're kind of useless now |
| 19:57.36 | Amarande | since there's probably like one alliance and one horde player who fly around the objectives flip-flopping them forever :) |
| 19:57.52 | Amarande | I can't even remember if I ever got any of those |
| 19:58.01 | Amarande | I know I got a whole load of Apexis ones, but I don't remember if I ever got any Spirit ones |
| 19:58.18 | Amarande | and I always got a bunch of oshu'gun crystal powder, too |
| 19:58.23 | NeoTron | Amarande: go to wintergrasp as a little gnome? :P |
| 19:58.26 | Amarande | actually, that's probably why the clefthoofs don't have meat :) |
| 19:58.29 | Amarande | Neo: at 73? :| |
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| 19:58.55 | Amarande | yay, glad I'm not getting my proto drake till 2010 anyway or I'd end up feeling the need to power level this week |
| 19:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: would wintergrasp actually be easier for that achievement than something like AV? i haven't done any wintergrasp yet.. |
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| 19:59.06 | NeoTron | Amarande: ... err sure :P |
| 19:59.31 | Amarande | Neo: I'm not getting my proto drake till 2010 because I'm going to be away for the whole Valentine event next year heh |
| 19:59.53 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: well one benefit is that you can get kills sitting safe in a vehicle |
| 19:59.59 | NeoTron | I assume though if you die you lose the buff? |
| 20:00.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 20:00.14 | NightHawkTheSane | if your vehicle dies, you don't? |
| 20:00.27 | NeoTron | no |
| 20:00.34 | Amarande | Night: I can't remember, but don't you not actually automatically die if your vehicle does? |
| 20:00.36 | NeoTron | but often vehicle dying is often followed by you dying :P |
| 20:00.40 | Amarande | unless it's a flying vehicle and you go splat |
| 20:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 20:00.49 | NeoTron | there are no flying vehicles yet |
| 20:01.05 | Amarande | Neo: there's the 'vehicle' from the Death Knight starter mission, is the one I mostly thought of |
| 20:01.18 | NeoTron | I was thinking in wintergrasp only |
| 20:01.38 | Amarande | anyway, that's one reason it could be a lot easier to get the achievement on a PvP server |
| 20:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | My current CPU, bought new via newegg.com |
| 20:01.52 | ScytheBlade1 | $39 |
| 20:02.19 | Amarande | I'm thinking, that there'd be unusually high PvP activity outside the Winter Wondervolts on such servers |
| 20:02.31 | Amarande | And on a PvP server, it's like your first night at Fight Club. :) |
| 20:02.45 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, fail cpu |
| 20:02.51 | NeoTron | it would seem like it's a rather challenging achievement to get |
| 20:02.56 | NeoTron | or not challenging but time consuming |
| 20:03.02 | NightHawkTheSane | time consuming, really |
| 20:03.15 | Amarande | probably also not very good for getting av achievements, too |
| 20:03.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i had just planned on zerging AV, and /afking when i died |
| 20:03.32 | Amarande | there's probably a lot of holiday people who will desert after dying |
| 20:03.37 | Amarande | Night: yeah, like you said :| |
| 20:04.29 | Amarande | in many cases, staying in a BG can last considerably longer than the deserter debuff and queue time for the next :S |
| 20:04.29 | NightHawkTheSane | people doing AV achievements can all wait, or get bent. |
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| 20:04.41 | Amarande | I imagine a lot more tension in AV chat, too |
| 20:04.53 | Amarande | probably a lot more people giving up so they can get out and get a new wondervolt |
| 20:05.00 | NightHawkTheSane | who the fuck actually reads bg chat? it's like barrens chat but more idiotic |
| 20:05.21 | Amarande | Night: lemme guess, your battlegroup and faction always lose AV |
| 20:05.39 | Amarande | sometimes in av in particular, we actually discuss -strategy- in /bg |
| 20:05.46 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck if i know, i don't pvp |
| 20:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | two more days till i know all the (current) minor glyphs |
| 20:07.20 | Amarande | yay, I'm probably going to have snowflakes all over me in the near future |
| 20:07.46 | NightHawkTheSane | thankfully i don't play any of those class/race combos. |
| 20:07.47 | Amarande | Night: do you always learn a new minor glyph every time? I thought when you started to get near the end you often had dud days where you didn't get a new discovery |
| 20:07.55 | Amarande | my main is a ... blood elf warlock lol |
| 20:08.09 | NightHawkTheSane | if there is something to learn, research will -always- result in a discovery |
| 20:08.35 | Duman | Did they fix the dupe-discovery issue? |
| 20:08.49 | Duman | (ie, discover something you already know) |
| 20:08.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't seen it happen yet |
| 20:09.05 | Amarande | hm, looks like I'm going to have to av a lot in general |
| 20:09.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll let you know in 3 days ;) |
| 20:09.09 | Duman | hehe |
| 20:09.15 | Amarande | seeing as I don't yet have access to dalaran, and shattrath is getting empty |
| 20:09.21 | Amarande | and I need those five specific alliance class combos |
| 20:09.26 | Xiro | starting mining from scratch = the suck |
| 20:09.35 | Amarande | that achievement must be teh suck on many servers |
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| 20:09.42 | KarlKFI | buy ore and smelt to lvl |
| 20:09.52 | Amarande | depending on how popular certain class/race combos are |
| 20:10.04 | Amarande | or even certain classes in certain areas |
| 20:10.08 | Xiro | too expensive.. detheuc even copper ore is going for 1.5g each |
| 20:10.10 | Duman | just get someone to port you to dalaran |
| 20:10.14 | Xiro | dethecus** |
| 20:10.16 | Duman | or did you mean you don't have Wrath installed |
| 20:10.25 | Amarande | I remember getting all but priest for 'that takes class' and then taking like another whole day to find an alliance priest in the BGs |
| 20:10.36 | Amarande | apparently priests don't av often on alliance side :S |
| 20:10.47 | Amarande | Duman: I mean that I haven't done whatever you're supposed to do to get into Dalaran 'properly' yet |
| 20:10.53 | Amarande | speaking of which, when do you get to do that? |
| 20:11.03 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121508_220832.jpg <- i created a death knight disease timer :) |
| 20:11.20 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck getting in 'properly' make friends with a warlock, mage, or any idiot who can click a bg portal |
| 20:11.34 | Amarande | I finished Borean (except for that one last Breaking Through group quest), have gone over to Howling to get the questing achievement there |
| 20:11.55 | Duman | L74 is the quest |
| 20:11.59 | Duman | that ports you there |
| 20:12.08 | Amarande | it seemed initially like a lot to get to 80, but from what I've been seeing, people tend to reach 80 with several zones remaining to do |
| 20:12.17 | Duman | but you can use the crystal if someone summons/ports you to dalaran - just do the "there and back again" quest (or whatever it's called) |
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| 20:12.25 | Amarande | I got from 70-a good ways into 73 just in Borean |
| 20:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, druid hax #84: if you clip wintergrasp and get dismounted, you can just pop back into flight form |
| 20:13.45 | Duman | heh |
| 20:13.48 | Duman | well, you get 10 sec to get out |
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| 20:13.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but if you're afk flying and plan badly :P |
| 20:14.07 | Amarande | I wonder how many people have gone splat by flying over wintergrasp by mistake |
| 20:14.08 | Duman | altho if you're not paying attention adn you're on a fast flyer, you're still probably effed |
| 20:14.14 | NeoTron | speaking of wintergrasp hax - sit right outside the fortress when one is about to start (i.e flying outside the zone) and fly in right after start and assault the cannons from the inside |
| 20:14.16 | Duman | you get a parachute |
| 20:14.18 | Duman | or you used to |
| 20:14.25 | NightHawkTheSane | you do, an infinite one, thankfully |
| 20:14.31 | Amarande | ah |
| 20:14.40 | Amarande | I still remember the time I sometimes would call the Shattrath Bank the Shattrath Bonk |
| 20:14.47 | NeoTron | starting with a whole side w/o cannons is a bit OP |
| 20:14.48 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, infinite unless you clip the ground) |
| 20:15.00 | NeoTron | and it takes a while for the defenders to get theer since they teleport to the start area |
| 20:15.07 | Amarande | since every now and then I'd -fly- into the bank on my netherdrake |
| 20:15.17 | Amarande | and by the time I dismounted, I'd be over a spot where you can fall through to the bottom floor ... *bonk* |
| 20:15.33 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: duly noted. although the whole wintergrasp flyable thing really needs to be cleaned up |
| 20:15.48 | Amarande | Night: what's the point to even making it non-flyable? |
| 20:15.49 | NeoTron | I hate not being able to fly over it |
| 20:15.53 | NeoTron | since it's such a central zone |
| 20:15.58 | Dewin | sometimes Wintergrasp doesn't give you a parachute. |
| 20:16.00 | Amarande | I mean, there's no actual flying element to the PvP |
| 20:16.10 | Amarande | and you can't engage in combat on a flying mount without being dumped off of it ... |
| 20:16.12 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: exactly, we really needed a gigantic no-fly-zone in the middle of northrend >< |
| 20:16.12 | Tekkub | you should be able to fly over it, just not MOUNT on a flying mount while you're in it |
| 20:16.17 | NeoTron | Amarande: mainly because you can fly over the walls |
| 20:16.37 | NeoTron | and attack from the inside, which is exactly what you can still do |
| 20:17.11 | Dewin | *died on the way to Archavon once because he flew over Wintergrasp, was dismounted and didn't get a 'chute* |
| 20:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | snowfall lager ought to work everywhere >< |
| 20:17.40 | Dewin | I also stranded myself up on a tower on Dalaran twice. |
| 20:18.30 | Dewin | I flew over to it from Krasus' Landing. The first time I got dismounted just as I landed (yay strip + jump to death), the second time I glitched and I wasn't being forcibly dismounted, but as soon as I dismounted manually I couldn't remount |
| 20:20.39 | Amarande | bah, I got the cider recipe in the mail this year :( |
| 20:22.21 | zenzelezz | it doesn't quite insprire a sense of focus when during Sartharion + 3, you see the message "[...] receives loot: [Arctic Fur]" after the first drake dies |
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| 20:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: that depends, do the drakes despawn rapidly after they die in sarth+N? |
| 20:23.29 | NightHawkTheSane | if they do, it requires a lot of focus to ninja that mob fast before it despawns ;) |
| 20:24.09 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: ftw |
| 20:24.15 | zenzelezz | let's just say the DPSers have more important things to do than skin |
| 20:24.41 | Dewin | zenzelezz: lol |
| 20:24.50 | Dewin | I'm a overzealous skinner, but even I wouldn't do that. |
| 20:25.09 | Dewin | Wait. You don't get the badges off the drakes when you do sarth+n? |
| 20:25.13 | Dewin | How were they skinned? |
| 20:25.25 | zenzelezz | no, no badges then |
| 20:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | no badges if you don't kill them before sarth |
| 20:25.32 | zenzelezz | no loot at all, just more from Sarth |
| 20:25.47 | Dewin | does Sarth drop 5 badges then? (his 2 + 1 for each drake) |
| 20:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 20:26.02 | Dewin | blah. Heh. |
| 20:26.12 | zenzelezz | he drops one extra 213 item with 1 drake, one 213 + one 226 with two drakes |
| 20:26.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but i think the loss of 3 badges is worth the extra.. what.. 3 pieces of loot, one of which is ilvl 213/226 and a mount |
| 20:26.27 | Dewin | yeah, I suppose so :) |
| 20:26.56 | Amarande | btw, is it currently possible to get any 213 epics in 10's, or only 25's? |
| 20:26.56 | Dewin | we *might* try Sarth+1 next time we 25-man |
| 20:27.06 | ScytheBlade1 | We just did sarth+1 10s last night |
| 20:27.09 | Dewin | Amarande: Naxx's Kel'thuzad drops 213 items I believe |
| 20:27.19 | Dewin | in 10-man |
| 20:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Would have done sarth+2 25s last night but we were missing a tank |
| 20:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | KT drops 213/226s |
| 20:27.22 | zenzelezz | we did +1, then jumped to +3 |
| 20:27.31 | Dewin | *hugs his Nerubian Conqueror* |
| 20:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | If you leave the drakes up, their badges appear on Sarth once he dies |
| 20:27.38 | NeoTron | Amarande: KT, Malygos and sath +2 |
| 20:28.04 | Amarande | speaking of malygos, I still remember when I was going to the nexus the other day |
| 20:28.13 | Amarande | this one guy was finishing up the keristrasza chain in a hurry |
| 20:28.24 | Amarande | and he's like "am I gonna be able to fight Malygos solo?" |
| 20:28.30 | Amarande | "um. it's a raid boss." |
| 20:28.54 | Dewin | Maybe 3 xpacs later. |
| 20:28.56 | Amarande | I'm still wondering when they'll fix the Keristrasza chain |
| 20:29.12 | Amarande | there's a couple of odd bugs with it right now |
| 20:29.15 | Dewin | I tried to solo a lv70 heroic as my hunter and got pretty much destroyed. |
| 20:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: i doubt even then.. no way to solo p3 i dont think |
| 20:29.43 | Amarande | Dewin: lv70 heroics are evil |
| 20:29.52 | Dewin | granted, I was trying crypts, I shoudl have tried ramps or something |
| 20:29.52 | Amarande | which is probably why everyone wanted geared raiders for them |
| 20:30.14 | Amarande | hm. |
| 20:30.14 | Dewin | I never hit exalted CE |
| 20:30.21 | Amarande | crypts isn't that bad as heroics go, as far as I remember |
| 20:30.26 | Amarande | other than that stupid glowie ball |
| 20:31.06 | Dewin | Amarande: I splinter celled around most of the trash, but the first 2 (turned into 4) trash mobs I actually had to fight killed my pet (I FD'd and then took the other half down after resetting) |
| 20:31.24 | Dewin | and the next set of trash killed me because I FD'd to drop threat and then my pet went boom 2 seconds later |
| 20:31.42 | Dewin | I figure if trash is giving me that much trouble, bosses would eat me for lunch |
| 20:31.48 | Amarande | ah, you never even got to the glowie ball then |
| 20:31.59 | Dewin | I did regular crypts easily though |
| 20:32.06 | Amarande | All I remember is Crypts is one of the easier heroics, so I'm surprised that few people ever were interested in it |
| 20:32.09 | Dewin | (I picked crypts because I didn't have the regualr achievement for it) |
| 20:32.27 | Dewin | And I never ran any of auchendoun on heroic, never got the rep. |
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| 20:32.29 | Amarande | The only time I had trouble in heroic Crypts was getting to my party in the first place |
| 20:32.41 | NightHawkTheSane | no one did crypts heroic because for most of BC it gave no rep, and being only 2 badges made it worthless |
| 20:32.43 | Amarande | I was called in as subs after the warlock who had been with the party up through first boss left |
| 20:32.53 | NightHawkTheSane | it was easily the worst heroic ever |
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| 20:33.08 | Amarande | and so, I had to walk from the entrance to the first boss ... |
| 20:33.15 | Amarande | well, I'm still NOT entirely sure how this mob was left alive |
| 20:33.24 | Amarande | but I came across, on the bridge, this little glowing red ball |
| 20:33.27 | Amarande | it even looked cute for a moment |
| 20:33.43 | Amarande | and the moment I registered it as being a hostile mob and started to run, there I was, in the air ... |
| 20:33.44 | Dewin | they are hidden at first, it's entirely possible to miss them. |
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| 20:33.57 | Dewin | I ran all the way to the first boss and had to turn around and run back to figure out where they were. |
| 20:34.49 | Amarande | Night: but was it fun? :) |
| 20:35.01 | Amarande | it was certainly more fun than god-forsaken Mech |
| 20:35.26 | Dewin | gah, I hate BC's instances |
| 20:35.49 | Amarande | similarly, Scholo and Strat are considerably more fun than the fail that is Ramps |
| 20:36.21 | zenzelezz | I think BC's instances (5-mans) were generally all right. Some less than others |
| 20:36.27 | Amarande | Ramps is boring, mostly featureless, and you always end up with wipes on the dragon because it's so many people's first instance and they haven't grasped the need for mobility in a group fight yet |
| 20:36.27 | zenzelezz | but I miss the grandness of places like BRD |
| 20:36.43 | Dewin | zenzelezz: The only problem with BRD is how freaking long it took to do the instance |
| 20:36.44 | Amarande | Not to mention there just weren't all that many mobility fights in 5-mans BEFORE Nazan, anyway |
| 20:36.48 | Amarande | If there even were any |
| 20:37.03 | Dewin | Imagine not being able to to do the boss that you came there for because half the party had to go before you were done |
| 20:37.06 | Amarande | Are there any 5-man bosses before BC where you really have to keep moving throughout? |
| 20:37.07 | KarlKFI | oh man i did Wailing caverns last night for the achieve and wanted to kill myself |
| 20:37.22 | zenzelezz | Dewin: I liked that. The only peope who would accept coming to BRD were the dedicated ones, so you knew it'd be a good group |
| 20:37.32 | Dewin | zenzelezz: True, but |
| 20:37.41 | Dewin | I'd still rather something that had multiple wings |
| 20:37.50 | Amarande | Was BRD really that long, or was it just the fact that you had to take at least what was it, four trips through it to do all the quests? |
| 20:38.00 | Dewin | you could do ramps -> the other one back to back and have a good stopping place to replace people who have to go in between. |
| 20:38.09 | KarlKFI | you could take shortcuts and skip large portions |
| 20:38.10 | zenzelezz | Amarande: that was an annoying part |
| 20:38.18 | sacarasc | Amarande: BRD is that long |
| 20:38.20 | Amarande | Dewin: ah, bloodfurnace |
| 20:38.24 | KarlKFI | but to do all the bosses took forever |
| 20:38.27 | Dewin | Right now my biggest WOTLK annoyance |
| 20:38.30 | Dewin | is the fact there is no rep gains in Naxx |
| 20:38.37 | Dewin | tabards should work there >.> |
| 20:38.41 | Amarande | BF wasn't as bad as Ramps, though it had mobility fights too |
| 20:38.51 | Dewin | Actually, Outfitter keeps trying to equip my argent crusade trinket, so I'm tempted to wear it and see what happens |
| 20:38.57 | KarlKFI | Dewin: if they did raiders would never do heroics |
| 20:39.14 | Amarande | Dewin: yeah, rep gains in raids would be f to the a to the i to the l |
| 20:39.17 | Dewin | Karl: Why not? What do you do when you need more rep and Naxx is already full cleared? |
| 20:39.51 | Amarande | One of the basic problems with BC is that they basically designed everything so you eventually had no good reason at all to do 5-man |
| 20:39.53 | Dewin | just make the rep gains in Naxx tiny |
| 20:39.53 | Dewin | but at least give *SOMETHING* |
| 20:39.54 | KarlKFI | heroics give 15 each mob. what're you gonna do make naxx 1rep? |
| 20:40.09 | Dewin | sure, or just on the bosses. |
| 20:40.18 | Amarande | Eventually, there was no point to doing an instance on normal, so unless you could do it on heroic, you were screwed. |
| 20:40.19 | KarlKFI | nah, it's motivation to do heroics imo |
| 20:40.42 | Dewin | KarlKFI: The flip side of that is some people don't have a whole lot of time but are still in a raiding guild, so they spend 90% of their available time raiding and have no time for heroics. |
| 20:40.43 | Amarande | Eventually, there was no point to doing an instance on HEROIC, because people found that Kara and ZA were better ways to get badges |
| 20:40.54 | KarlKFI | that's not an argument any more |
| 20:41.01 | KarlKFI | we clear all raids in 2-3 days |
| 20:41.33 | Amarande | Eventually, in late BC, you either were geared for a raid or you would never get geared for raiding before WotLK. |
| 20:42.11 | KarlKFI | i am glad that naxx drops a shit tonne of badges tho |
| 20:42.19 | Amarande | well, unless you were a druid tank |
| 20:42.27 | KarlKFI | nice for offspec gear |
| 20:42.35 | Dewin | eh, a friend of mine got a new hunter toon to 70 and started raiding with us when we were basically running Kara just for badges and most of us (myself included) had moved on to SSC/TK/Hyjal... he was raiding Hyjal within about a month of that |
| 20:42.39 | Amarande | in which case, the PvP gear was passable entry level raiding gear due to the resilience matter and the fact that druids can't be uncrushable |
| 20:42.49 | Amarande | well, couldn't be, anyway, back then |
| 20:43.12 | Amarande | Dewin: yeah, depends on whether you have connections to a willing group I guess |
| 20:43.18 | KarlKFI | good pvp gear was always passable as into gear for raiding imo |
| 20:43.19 | Amarande | I could never get a good raid group this summer |
| 20:43.37 | KarlKFI | only thing you dont have in pvp is hit cap |
| 20:44.12 | KarlKFI | don't do as much dmg, sure but the stam and resil helps you stay alive and learn bosses easier |
| 20:44.25 | Amarande | maybe I didn't do enough guild research though |
| 20:44.32 | Lunessa | In WotLK - even the heroic instances shouldn't take more than an hour or so to do. |
| 20:44.42 | Amarande | what I kept finding was mostly either guilds that couldn't hack kara, or ones that were doing t6 and wanted you to already have t6 |
| 20:45.02 | Dewin | Amarande: I'm fortunate enough to be on a server that has a massive 'meta-guild' |
| 20:45.05 | KarlKFI | yes, guilds were anal about gear |
| 20:45.21 | KarlKFI | but you could go from like season3 to hyjal without a problem |
| 20:45.28 | Lunessa | Amarande: There comes a time in the raiding cycle when you have to say "We're not wasting time on this content any more." |
| 20:45.51 | Dewin | We have guilds that are members of the meta-guild, and then there's a few 'free agents' |
| 20:45.57 | Amarande | Karl: although by that point, my chances of getting an actual arena set were zero as well |
| 20:46.24 | Amarande | because I calculated it along with the likely release date of WotLK, and unless I was going to somehow get uber high ratings super quickly, I would never get enough points to get more than maybe one item at that point |
| 20:46.26 | KarlKFI | well you dont go to black temple having never raided before, that's just a recipe for trouble |
| 20:46.45 | Amarande | eh. I always picked up on battles really quickly |
| 20:47.11 | Dewin | Heh, I remember logging in and immediately being jumped to replace someone in BT for a fight I'd never done, it was my first time in BT. |
| 20:47.25 | Dewin | (At the time, it ran on Fridays at a time my wife couldn't make it, and I generally only raid with her) |
| 20:47.44 | KarlKFI | if you got into bt without any experience past kara you were int he minority |
| 20:47.56 | Amarande | I remember even on Quel'dorei, which had only a few T6 guilds period, there were even occasionally *PUGs* for BT |
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| 20:48.40 | KarlKFI | did they kill anything? |
| 20:48.48 | Amarande | I don't know ... I never bothered to join into one |
| 20:48.52 | KarlKFI | cause that doesn't sound like fun... |
| 20:48.52 | Amarande | I knew my gear wasn't anywhere near adequate |
| 20:49.03 | Amarande | I imagine they probably do ok on the trash, but don't know about the bosses |
| 20:49.11 | Amarande | heck, occasionally people started forming raids to farm sunwell trash, too |
| 20:49.41 | KarlKFI | i did see occasional TK pugs from T6 raiders on offnights going back for like 1 item or the mount. |
| 20:49.43 | Dewin | I'm just happy as hell our guild got Kel'thuzad down on our first day of trying him (took ~5 attempts though) |
| 20:50.00 | Amarande | Some BT trash is pretty mean though, like those 72 water mobs that have what, 660k hp or some such |
| 20:50.10 | Amarande | I imagine they make a heroic boss look like a care bear |
| 20:50.16 | Dewin | Anyways, I gotta get going, meeting wife for lunch and I gotta drive in the ice rink that is the roads here. |
| 20:52.37 | erikd | there were definitely some trash pulls in sunwell that were harder than heroic bosses |
| 20:52.48 | erikd | hell, some of them were harder than t5 bosses |
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| 20:53.22 | Amarande | I'm assuming not harder than kael though |
| 20:53.31 | erikd | no |
| 20:53.38 | Amarande | since kael pretty much ranks in t6 difficulty |
| 20:53.48 | erikd | kael was a pain |
| 20:53.49 | erikd | :) |
| 20:54.19 | Amarande | after attunements were removed, I remember quite a lot of guilds that cleared hyjal and bt, but skipped kael and vashj entirely on the way |
| 20:54.23 | leethal | yo yo! Any hints on how to track http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60348? Is it for realz? Or should I just track UnitAura and stuff? |
| 20:54.25 | Amarande | though most tended to at least take the time to farm loot reaver |
| 20:54.28 | leethal | talking 'bout tracking the maelstrom ready proc for shammies |
| 20:54.30 | KarlKFI | all the SWP bosses took longer to learn and kill than any we had done before tho |
| 20:54.49 | Amarande | sunwell was sort of an anomaly, though |
| 20:55.08 | Amarande | I've always thought that (assuming WotLK wasn't out yet and the instances hadn't been super nerfed already) |
| 20:55.24 | Amarande | you could probably, with enough dedication, get a guild of new 70's through to BT in a month or so |
| 20:55.30 | Amarande | especially taking advantage of badge gear |
| 20:55.38 | Amarande | but then you'd probably need another month or two before you could go to sunwell |
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| 20:56.18 | KarlKFI | and then get stuck on kalec for 2 more months |
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| 20:56.32 | Amarande | and then get to brut and find your raid DPS is too low |
| 20:56.40 | Amarande | btw, speaking of enrages |
| 20:56.52 | Amarande | did I hear correctly that they added a hard enrage to faerlina this time? :( |
| 20:56.55 | erikd | there was a guild on our server that killed illidan pre nerf and didn't kill a single boss in sunwell |
| 20:57.05 | KarlKFI | not uncommon |
| 20:57.10 | KarlKFI | SWP destroyed guilds |
| 20:57.30 | KarlKFI | they would just fall apart after no progress for 2+ months |
| 20:57.38 | erikd | only 3 guilds on our server total saw KJ, 1 horde and 2 alliance |
| 20:57.40 | Amarande | I think there were a couple of servers according to wowjutsu who never even had a guild that took down Illidan |
| 20:58.15 | Amarande | I'm not sure if players there just sucked, or if it was because IIRC those were ultra low pop servers that may not have had enough people who could raid at the same time |
| 20:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | faerlina has no berserk timer. |
| 20:58.38 | KarlKFI | we were debating going back to SWP tonight, since all the 80 raid content is cleared |
| 20:59.15 | KarlKFI | hell, i'd take the t6 swp gear for prot. |
| 20:59.20 | erikd | i don't think you really need a hard enrage on faerlina |
| 20:59.30 | erikd | you're either going to run out of adds or run out of mana |
| 20:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: not really, no :) |
| 20:59.35 | Amarande | yeah, now I'm thinking of Gluth |
| 20:59.45 | Amarande | and I can't remember if Gluth had a hard enrage at 60 too or not |
| 20:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | gluth does have a berserk timer |
| 21:00.06 | erikd | pretty sure he did at 60 too |
| 21:00.09 | KarlKFI | i offtanked the 30 bajillion whelp adds on sartharon with 1 drake up last night in T6 |
| 21:00.11 | Amarande | generally speaking, I do tend to consider hard enrages to be bad design, but I've said that countless times before |
| 21:00.12 | erikd | i think we hit it when we were learning it :P |
| 21:00.29 | KarlKFI | 10man |
| 21:00.31 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, we hit so many berserk timers last night in naxx. |
| 21:00.41 | erikd | 10 or 25? |
| 21:00.44 | NightHawkTheSane | 10 |
| 21:00.44 | KarlKFI | we hit berzerk timers in 10man |
| 21:00.55 | KarlKFI | in 25man we have WAY more dps |
| 21:00.59 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: on which bosses? |
| 21:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | we hit patchwerks, gluths, thaddius'.. |
| 21:01.22 | Amarande | Hard enrages are bad design simply because you can put the same limiting factors on battle length with soft enrages instead |
| 21:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | im trying to think if any of the other bosses we did HAD enrage timers.. |
| 21:01.42 | Amarande | E.g., Gruul and Faerlina, good examples of that you don't need a hard enrage |
| 21:01.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: they're not objectively bad design. it's a timer. its "you have x time to kill this boss, period." |
| 21:01.54 | zenzelezz | well, Patchwerk is a DPS race, Thaddius is a stacking race |
| 21:02.18 | KarlKFI | not poor design, just not very creative, heh |
| 21:02.31 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: certainly not going to argue the creativity of it ;) |
| 21:02.39 | KarlKFI | be more fun if after a certain time they get reinforcements |
| 21:02.41 | NightHawkTheSane | the annoying thing is, if we actually had 5 good dps'ers we would have been fine. but our mage is total fail, and rarely, if ever, out-dpsed the tank |
| 21:02.57 | NightHawkTheSane | (on noth, I.. as a resto shaman in my resto gear.. managed to equal her damage) |
| 21:03.15 | Amarande | Karl: or if they just get more and more powerful abilities as they go down on HP, like console RPG bosses |
| 21:03.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (while still decursing and throwing the occasional heal..) |
| 21:03.17 | zenzelezz | are you a "social friend guild"? |
| 21:03.51 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: yes and no. It's a very casual raiding guild, but this mage is the wife of the tank. They're attached at the hip, metaphorically speaking |
| 21:03.52 | Amarande | generally speaking, there should be a logical reason for a hard enrage to exist |
| 21:04.03 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: doh |
| 21:04.06 | Amarande | E.g., Overdrive Sin in FFX, or Izbelah in Icewind Dale 2, or the like |
| 21:04.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: there IS a logical reason. That reason is "you're taking too long" |
| 21:04.19 | erikd | time to find a new mage, i think |
| 21:04.45 | Amarande | Night: relationships destroy guilds :S |
| 21:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: as noted, no can do. the tank that she comes with is actually really good :p |
| 21:04.59 | erikd | yeah, i said that before i caught up :) |
| 21:05.04 | zenzelezz | the bosses all have superior attitude. They like playing around with you, or they'd just enrage right away. They get fed up after a while and kill you. Logical enough for me, even if it's unimaginative |
| 21:05.05 | alestane | Amarande: They said at BlizzCon that one of the reasons for enrage timers is specifically to encourage groups not to just sit back and find the most sustainable strategy. |
| 21:05.33 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: ie.. "you're taking too long" ;) |
| 21:05.38 | Lunessa | No, relationships which don't also consider the external values of the guild destroy guilds. Guilds which won't suck it up and say - "You're bad, you don't raid" even if it means breaking in a new tank or healer destroy guilds. |
| 21:05.39 | Amarande | I've seen at least two perfectly good raid groups get totally screwed up by RL relationships |
| 21:06.19 | Amarande | alestane: ah, I always thought it was more a business strategy |
| 21:06.26 | Amarande | i.e., a lot of hard enrage fights are DPS races |
| 21:06.34 | Amarande | therefore, if they're tight enough (like Brutallus first was, for instance) |
| 21:06.46 | erikd | that's why i love my guild, we've survived pretty much anything that a guild would be forced to survive and are still kicking :) |
| 21:07.07 | Amarande | you need to take all that farming time to actually gear up your DPS, which translates into more time you will be playing WoW before all the content is used up and you might take a money-losing break |
| 21:07.38 | Corr-work | people should never talk to anyone IRL |
| 21:07.46 | Amarande | there has to be SOME better way to test the capabilities of DPS other than a race that's based on how much +ZOMG you have on your gear |
| 21:07.50 | Corr-work | problem Solved <3 |
| 21:08.01 | alestane | Amarande: Back when I was doing MC and AQ, there did tend to be a focus on getting into a place where you can basically keep your pace all night if need be, so that eventually the boss runs out of health. |
| 21:08.30 | Amarande | alestane: which has always been my approach to tougher bosses in, say, console games, which is probably why I hate it not being available in WoW lately :) |
| 21:08.33 | alestane | Amarande: You know a boss is a DPS test if he heals himself and there's no easy way to block it. |
| 21:08.43 | erikd | amarande: i'm of the opinion that gear checks are a good thing |
| 21:08.58 | Corr-work | WoW needs gear checks |
| 21:09.04 | Beladona | Lunessa: we are at that point now in prep for 25 mans. The step in which we look at numbers, do some crunching and say "I hate being the jerk, but we really can't carry you into raids when we have better people to fill that spot" |
| 21:09.07 | erikd | as much of a pain in the ass they might be |
| 21:09.17 | Amarande | In most console RPGs, I tend to load up on defensive stats through the roof, so anything the boss can try is healed through pathetically easily |
| 21:09.19 | Corr-work | getting the lewt is such an essential part of WoW that it must be required to progress |
| 21:09.50 | Amarande | The main exceptions are ones like Xenosaga II, where you *couldn't* really pump stats, so you *had* to go in for the huge combos |
| 21:10.00 | erikd | especially since they changed the gear scaling post vanilla wow |
| 21:10.02 | Amarande | and God help you if you left a boss on a few thousand HP after you used up all your combo power |
| 21:10.17 | KarlKFI | gearcheck can also be a skill check |
| 21:10.27 | Amarande | One of the first rules about console RPGs: |
| 21:10.29 | Lunessa | Beladona: It was that point which basically caused me no end of grief in my last guild. All my attempts to work through that basically resulted in ... FAIL. So now I'm just telling people, "You don't cut it. Improve and you can go. Until then I'm giving the slot to someone who can cut it." |
| 21:10.30 | Amarande | Bosses are masochists. |
| 21:10.31 | erikd | bb in ~10 |
| 21:10.40 | Amarande | The more you hurt them, the MORE powerful they get until they die. |
| 21:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: you're a winner |
| 21:10.51 | zenzelezz | take Patchwerk, we did him in 25-man with four melee DPS dead well within enrage |
| 21:11.14 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Nah, I have a guild of 8 memebers and I'm the only one raid ready. Recruiting is teh suck. |
| 21:11.19 | KarlKFI | our first 25naxx we did with 22 |
| 21:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: though my partner in crime has just taken to yelling at people who fail. See, quote, "Do you want me to open recount so you can look both dumb AND wrong?" |
| 21:11.40 | alestane | Amarande: But fights that could keep going forever get boring. So they put that edge of urgency on to make you work toward taking them down. |
| 21:12.00 | Beladona | We have something like 12 melee dps in our guilds right now, more than any other role. This guy rerolled when the expansion came out to melee, and now he gets mad at me because we are always sitting him |
| 21:12.04 | Lunessa | SBO - That... that rules. Cruel, mean, and... provable. |
| 21:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I just sat back and laughed |
| 21:12.28 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 21:12.29 | Beladona | I told him last night a) you switched from a healer, the one role that is almost always guaranteed a spot in our guild, to a melee, which has way too many people as it is |
| 21:12.29 | Lunessa | Beladona: That's his fault, not yours. |
| 21:12.44 | Beladona | and b) you arne't the best dps melee anyway |
| 21:12.48 | KarlKFI | lol sbo, shoulda seen me get pwned tanking. it was fun |
| 21:12.50 | Beladona | so of course he is gonna sit a lot |
| 21:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: I was listening in |
| 21:13.12 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: yay for killing the guy though, I thought you weren't going to (collectively) |
| 21:13.25 | KarlKFI | i had like 4 blues and the rest was old t6/bt gear |
| 21:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | How interested are you in being an OT? :P |
| 21:13.37 | KarlKFI | oh and the one 213 shield |
| 21:13.39 | Beladona | his argument of course was that he wasn't as good at dps because he needs gear. But he can't get gear because we keep sitting him |
| 21:13.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Say, when the dual spec bit is here |
| 21:13.47 | Beladona | which is dumb, because you can pug a lot of the current content |
| 21:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Not full time or anything |
| 21:13.54 | KarlKFI | I'm definitely down once we get dual spec |
| 21:14.04 | alestane | Amarande: One of the basic principles of game design is resource theory...things that can be exhausted, causing failure. Raid groups would try and eliminate exhaustion as a factor, at which point it was a question of "does someone screw up their rotation or stand in the wrong place, killing us all". So they made time a non-renewable resource for boss fights. |
| 21:14.07 | Beladona | hell, we haven't evne started 25 mans yet, and my shaman is already decked in 25 man gear |
| 21:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That alone will help us out soooooooooo much |
| 21:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (Dual spec) |
| 21:14.23 | KarlKFI | i hate respecing, but i didn't mind if we were short. and dual spec removes my complaint |
| 21:14.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, same |
| 21:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (Same complaint here with PvP) |
| 21:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | to be honest, i dont even mind respeccing |
| 21:14.59 | KarlKFI | thankfully my pvpspec is very close to pve, so i can pve in pvp spec with no real drawback |
| 21:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | the bitch of it is re-glyphing |
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| 21:15.25 | Lunessa | Beladona: "Can't get gear" is a bullshit excuse. You can rack up Emblems like no one's business in heroics and get iLevel 200 gear and T7 pieces without ever once raiding. |
| 21:15.28 | KarlKFI | true, but for pally they'res some overlap |
| 21:15.38 | KarlKFI | liek the consecration glyph is good for both |
| 21:15.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, no glyph overlap for ele/resto shammys |
| 21:15.47 | KarlKFI | and so is the SA one |
| 21:15.53 | KarlKFI | and the judgement dmg |
| 21:16.10 | KarlKFI | my main complaint is just the gold cost |
| 21:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: also curious, how did Karnifex fare in there? |
| 21:16.20 | KarlKFI | the lock? |
| 21:16.26 | KarlKFI | or the druid? |
| 21:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | warrior |
| 21:16.30 | KarlKFI | oh |
| 21:16.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Casual with terrible gear |
| 21:16.38 | KarlKFI | dunno, ignorable |
| 21:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol k |
| 21:16.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again you were probably a bit busy |
| 21:17.01 | KarlKFI | the mage and warlock died every time they aoe'd before we had them wait for me to call it |
| 21:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | If I had known that... lol |
| 21:18.08 | KarlKFI | we got it down, basically came down to me standing betweent he portal and the healers/casters and then them waiting to aoe until i called |
| 21:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, if it worked.. |
| 21:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Once we get a bit more gear, sarth10 with 2 sounds fun |
| 21:18.42 | Corr-work | if it worked, it was mostly due to his efforts |
| 21:18.51 | Corr-work | by the sound of it |
| 21:19.57 | KarlKFI | the position we had made it easier too |
| 21:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You should have seen his gear :P |
| 21:20.04 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121508_231628.jpg :) |
| 21:20.12 | KarlKFI | i'm still in it on the armory |
| 21:20.30 | KarlKFI | figured i'd stay prot to do heroics, cause tanks are a bitch to find |
| 21:20.42 | KarlKFI | are we doign swp tonight sbo or night off? |
| 21:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably night off |
| 21:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone should have all three 10s clear |
| 21:21.03 | KarlKFI | ya. somehow i missed 25man vault |
| 21:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus in theory S5 starts tomorrow, so people are hardcore farming honor |
| 21:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | (We have most all of the remaining PvP talent guilded, with a few in Drow) |
| 21:21.38 | ScytheBlade1 | (Stupid PvE <--> PvP server transfers taking a lot of people) |
| 21:22.03 | KarlKFI | i have no idea what you jsut said |
| 21:22.22 | KarlKFI | we losing people to pvp servers? |
| 21:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, sorry |
| 21:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Did quite a while ago |
| 21:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | We have what's left |
| 21:22.42 | KarlKFI | oh |
| 21:22.47 | KarlKFI | eh, we're fine |
| 21:22.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And they're all farming honor atm |
| 21:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | So I suspect it'll just be a night off |
| 21:23.02 | erikd | mikma: you have death grip on the same bind i do! |
| 21:23.33 | KarlKFI | eh. i'm just gonna be pvping in pve gear most likely. no point going back to my S4. |
| 21:23.40 | Amarande | You'd think people would leave PvP servers for PvE now |
| 21:23.42 | KarlKFI | which is a bit sad |
| 21:23.54 | Amarande | given that there's no 'we'll permanently be locked out of the PvP server' issue like before |
| 21:23.56 | mikma | erikd: :D |
| 21:24.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 21:24.06 | ScytheBlade1 | But eh, what happened happened |
| 21:24.22 | erikd | amarande: it seems like pve is usually better on pvp servers anyway |
| 21:24.45 | erikd | at least the pve servers i've seen |
| 21:25.37 | erikd | the transfer thing was really the big thing holding me back from transferring a character to a pve to do stuff with some irl friends |
| 21:25.38 | Amarande | say, with Thaddius |
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| 21:25.55 | Amarande | does a given character always go + - + - etc., or is it randomish like with heroic Capacitus? |
| 21:25.57 | erikd | but most of them quit and the one who was left transferred off the pve server to my pvp one :) |
| 21:26.05 | erikd | it's random |
| 21:26.16 | KarlKFI | random |
| 21:26.39 | KarlKFI | i've gotten all one sign a couple times |
| 21:26.52 | erikd | the strat we use does a circle around him in quarters, with only 2 of the points being occupied at any one time |
| 21:26.53 | KarlKFI | rare, but can happen |
| 21:27.03 | KarlKFI | we just use a line |
| 21:27.11 | KarlKFI | + one side, - the other |
| 21:27.12 | erikd | if your sign changes, go left, if it stays the same go right |
| 21:27.35 | frop | if ppl are slow, that could cause deaths |
| 21:27.40 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.41 | frop | ...better a circle i guess |
| 21:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ works perfectly |
| 21:28.07 | erikd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.07 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: we had to make it even more clear. "/rw PLUS ------------ BOSS ------------- MINUS" |
| 21:28.08 | erikd | :P |
| 21:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: haha |
| 21:28.44 | frop | btw, i've a question...what's inside <Layers> </Layers> ? |
| 21:28.52 | zenzelezz | then we had the advanced stuff like... if you get the same charge you had... move one step to the left... otherwise run to the right |
| 21:28.57 | ScytheBlade1 | <Layer> tag pairs. |
| 21:29.01 | zenzelezz | surprising how much people can mess up |
| 21:29.12 | frop | aye ScytheBlade1, wanna me to /clap you? :P |
| 21:29.21 | Amarande | zenzelezz: 30M HP and a 5 minute enrage timer tends to result in hurried horrors |
| 21:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Was way too easy :P |
| 21:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | frop: <Layers><Layer level="OVERLAY"><FontString> |
| 21:29.42 | Amarande | remember, people had enough trouble with Brut |
| 21:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | frop: typically fonts and textures |
| 21:30.02 | frop | exactly, text in this case...but what's they're mean to do? |
| 21:30.03 | zenzelezz | Amarande: the odd mishap is okay, but the blatant errors people were doing our first time there was just horrible |
| 21:30.13 | ScytheBlade1 | frop: come again? |
| 21:30.19 | zenzelezz | Amarande: the concept of "run around him on the right" to some meant "run straight through him" |
| 21:30.34 | frop | mmmh |
| 21:31.15 | Amarande | zenzelezz: aren't most of Thad's attacks kinda wimpy anyway though, other than the charges, the ball lightning, and the time limit? |
| 21:31.27 | Amarande | so I'm not sure just HOW dangerous that would be |
| 21:31.43 | Amarande | and "run straight thru him" kinda guarantees no ball lightning at that time LOL |
| 21:31.55 | zenzelezz | Amarande: when you're running straight through him you're pretty much saying "I don't care if we get charge" |
| 21:32.21 | Amarande | I know when we did H-Mech, we just slid straight left or right when charges changed, pretty much |
| 21:32.29 | erikd | it seems to me that it'd be hard to get the "Shocking!" achievement using a straight line |
| 21:32.32 | Amarande | (And I think heroic Capacitus was 2000 a charge tick, too) |
| 21:32.33 | frop | ahhh got it maybe ... if i got 2 layers one over the other...one BACKGROUND and one OVERLAY...i'll see OVERLAY one? |
| 21:33.11 | Amarande | I still remember the time I died because I ran into mobs after capacitus once because I forgot about the charge and was like 'oops gotta get away' and oops. :| |
| 21:33.24 | Amarande | I also remember the time I died on heroic capacitus because I slid too far to the left and fell off into mobs |
| 21:33.40 | zenzelezz | Amarande: Thaddius-25 is nothing like H-Mech :-p |
| 21:33.54 | Amarande | I think that was the first time I'd done H-Mech, and it had never occurred to me before this moment that there was an edge there LOL |
| 21:34.15 | Amarande | since N-Mech Capacitus is just a tank and spank where you try not to kill yourself by mistake |
| 21:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: yup no 25s tonight, just running one maly10 for those not saved |
| 21:34.58 | KarlKFI | thx |
| 21:35.14 | KarlKFI | cancel the event? |
| 21:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah it's still up there |
| 21:35.31 | Amarande | N-Mech Capacitus always made me glad I was an aff lock at the time. :) |
| 21:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | We're loosely using it for attendance tracking |
| 21:35.42 | KarlKFI | kk |
| 21:35.57 | Amarande | Mainly because DoTs continue to tick and contribute DPS where other magic DPS would have to stop entirely due to reflect |
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| 21:36.15 | Amarande | also, for some reason, Siphon Life always seemed to HEAL me if I got it reflected on me |
| 21:36.25 | Amarande | like, it literally would give me back more HP than it damaged me |
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| 21:37.03 | frop | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_user_interface#Layers_and_Textures <--- got it now :P |
| 21:37.04 | wownoob | Sorry if I come "spamming", but do you had some experience with http://leveling-guide.org ? It sounds really nice... I have not heard some had bought this product other than peoples on MIRC (IRC) have been told it is recommended friendly? |
| 21:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | frop: yeah, the Level="WHATEVER" are "ordered" |
| 21:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | frop: hehe |
| 21:37.12 | KarlKFI | My lol tank gear: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Wraithblight Pretty good for not tanking anything since hyjal, heh |
| 21:37.31 | wownoob | No help in here :( |
| 21:37.35 | |pez| | dude... |
| 21:37.38 | |pez| | seriously |
| 21:37.46 | |pez| | wait for a few more seconds than... on, say none. :P |
| 21:37.55 | |pez| | before you say there's no help to get here. |
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| 21:38.25 | KarlKFI | use a free quest addon imo |
| 21:38.35 | KarlKFI | if you need a guild |
| 21:38.39 | KarlKFI | guide* |
| 21:38.48 | |pez| | If you act like that, you won't be getting any help, because people will be annoyed. They'll think you assume their time belongs to you. |
| 21:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I was about to hurt you, KarlKFI |
| 21:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab KarlKFI |
| 21:38.55 | purl | ACTION runs at KarlKFI with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 21:39.09 | KarlKFI | i don't use one :P |
| 21:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No, your typo |
| 21:39.27 | frop | i've used TourGuide effectively... |
| 21:39.31 | KarlKFI | i just use QuestGuru, it's nifty but not noob spoiler. |
| 21:39.34 | |pez| | I totally use QuestHelper. |
| 21:39.57 | alestane | Anyone here involved with Grid at all? |
| 21:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: as in uses it or hacks on it? |
| 21:40.22 | KarlKFI | as in contributes, i suspect |
| 21:40.28 | alestane | The project itself. |
| 21:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno, but I've seen the workings of Grid2 up on wowace |
| 21:41.12 | alestane | I'm trying to write a plugin that's only likely to work on the PTR and I wanted to find out if there's a body of code being used on the PTR yet. |
| 21:41.27 | frop | well, both questguru and questhelper don't give ya a quest-chain to follow... |
| 21:41.30 | ScytheBlade1 | So dev efforts may have shifted |
| 21:41.39 | frop | ...tourguide does...like the one he posted |
| 21:41.58 | Amarande | In 2.x I used nQuestLog and then later QuestsFu |
| 21:42.12 | Amarande | Neither was upgraded soon enough for 3.0, so I switched to QuestGuru |
| 21:42.26 | frop | well, nquestlog is just a tracker |
| 21:42.37 | frop | i use it as well :) |
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| 21:43.03 | frop | /bye wownoob |
| 21:43.23 | KarlKFI | the only thing QuestGuru doesn't have that PartyQuests has is the ability to browse your group's quests and share them to yourself. |
| 21:43.53 | KarlKFI | had* |
| 21:44.15 | frop | mmmh: <Font name="SystemFont_Tiny" font="Fonts\FRIZQT__.TTF" virtual="true"> |
| 21:44.56 | frop | this means i can inherits="SystemFont_Tiny" in a <FontString >? |
| 21:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 21:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | <FontString font="SystemFont_Tiny"> |
| 21:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 21:45.25 | KarlKFI | means you can inherit it in a font |
| 21:45.40 | Amarande | I actually got QuestGuru more for the tracker than anything else |
| 21:45.43 | KarlKFI | FontStrings must use non-virtual fonts i believe |
| 21:45.49 | Amarande | My most important feature in a quest log addon: |
| 21:45.56 | KarlKFI | at least that' show frames work i know |
| 21:46.00 | zenzelezz | if I had 10g for every time I died because someone just has to stand on the inner island before the pull... I almost wouldn't have lost gold on repairs |
| 21:46.06 | Amarande | That it has a movable tracker, which can be fully locked and the mouse disabled |
| 21:46.08 | frop | where can i find where those non-virtual fonts are defined? |
| 21:46.31 | KarlKFI | Font.xml and FontSomething.xml |
| 21:46.38 | Amarande | I don't have ROOM for the Blizzard quest tracker on the right hand side of my screen. That is where my EBB buff bars go. :P |
| 21:46.47 | frop | i mean, i got an inherits="GameFontNormal" |
| 21:46.52 | frop | where it's defined? |
| 21:47.00 | KarlKFI | one of those xml files |
| 21:47.12 | frop | aye, like this: http://wowcompares.com/live/FrameXML/Fonts.xml |
| 21:47.16 | frop | isnt? |
| 21:47.38 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_120508_180907.jpg <--- is my usual UI layout now |
| 21:47.43 | frop | but there's no non-virtual font defined there :P |
| 21:47.46 | KarlKFI | FontStyles.xml or Fonts.xml |
| 21:48.22 | Corr-work | that's a very clean interface compared to my old one |
| 21:48.24 | KarlKFI | guess they're all virtual |
| 21:48.37 | KarlKFI | so yeah, use any of them |
| 21:49.11 | Amarande | The only half-way reasonable place to put a quest tracker in that layout is above the left half of the pet bar growing upwards |
| 21:49.12 | KarlKFI | they must have made virtual fonts usable, unlike virtual frames |
| 21:49.17 | Amarande | therefore, I have to use something like QG. :) |
| 21:49.25 | Amarande | Corr: what did your old one look like? |
| 21:49.28 | Amarande | HomersWebPageUI? :) |
| 21:49.32 | Olorin | Amarande the right bars, dottimer? |
| 21:49.33 | frop | <Font name="GameFontNormal" inherits="SystemFont_Shadow_Med1" virtual="true"> |
| 21:49.34 | Corr-work | i'm not familiar with that |
| 21:49.43 | frop | yep in FontStyles.xml |
| 21:49.45 | Corr-work | but i didn't have a lot of space that wasn't covered by information, at least in parties/raids |
| 21:49.48 | Amarande | Olorin: the right hand bars are EBB |
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| 21:49.53 | KarlKFI | that's a large block of buttons.... |
| 21:50.12 | Amarande | indeed, I used to use four actionbars and it wasn't enough |
| 21:50.28 | Amarande | in fact, five actionbars isn't always enough, sometimes the firestone and Create Firestone spots have to be co-opted for quest items |
| 21:50.32 | Corr-work | i used all six, mang |
| 21:50.37 | KarlKFI | i use 3 on bottom and 2 on the side for blessings and random things i dont use in combat |
| 21:50.45 | Corr-work | wait, no, that was only 5 |
| 21:50.50 | Amarande | BTW |
| 21:50.57 | Amarande | is there any particular reason why Ctrl Shift 0 cannot be bound? |
| 21:51.01 | Corr-work | i remember now, the lower right was a single bar split into two rows |
| 21:51.08 | Amarande | At first I tried to make the 5th bar be CS rather than AC |
| 21:51.23 | Amarande | but for some reason I could never bind the 10th button to CS0 |
| 21:51.35 | Amarande | I could do CS+anything else, or basically anything else +0 |
| 21:51.37 | Amarande | but not CS0 |
| 21:51.41 | Corr-work | eh... by the time i'm moving my hands to hit 0, i'd rather just click the button |
| 21:51.52 | Amarande | yeah, I usually click things on that panel, too |
| 21:51.58 | Corr-work | it's waaaaay on the other side of the keyboard :| |
| 21:52.18 | Amarande | unless it's something like the Triage quest, in which case I put the bandage in 1 in place of normal attack |
| 21:52.42 | KarlKFI | i used to hotkey more, but i have more things to click with 3.0 |
| 21:52.44 | Amarande | and yeah, speaking of bandages, I do have frostweave ones but generally speaking I tend to prefer to use up my previous set before I move on to using my next type |
| 21:53.00 | KarlKFI | so i jsut click. got plenty of time to move the mouse with global cooldown |
| 21:53.20 | Amarande | I really don't bandage very often, usually when pet or I are low on HP post-combat and I don't want to waste time |
| 21:53.21 | Lunessa | Amarande: Are you talking about NumPad 0? |
| 21:53.27 | Amarande | Lunessa: I'm talking about normal 0 |
| 21:53.44 | Amarande | all the buttons in the '0' column in my bar block there are normal 0 |
| 21:53.48 | Lunessa | Amarande: It works for me, Maybe you have one of those keyboard with the crappy roms? |
| 21:53.58 | Amarande | but for some reason, I was never ever able to bind specifically Ctrl Shift 0 |
| 21:54.04 | Amarande | hence my making the bottom row AC instead of CS as planned |
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| 21:54.17 | Amarande | Lunessa: IBM Model M |
| 21:54.27 | Amarande | not sure what it's ROM is like, it works awesomely and has no suicide buttons |
| 21:54.44 | Amarande | the latter being especially important for a gamer |
| 21:54.50 | Lunessa | *shrug* Some keyboards wig out with too many keys pressed at one, especially older ones. |
| 21:55.11 | Amarande | If that was the case, wouldn't other three-key combos have issues as well? |
| 21:55.18 | Amarande | It was only ONE specific key combination that didn't want to work |
| 21:55.48 | Lunessa | That's GOT to be your hardware. |
| 21:55.51 | alestane | ~seen pastamancer |
| 21:55.52 | purl | pastamancer is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 68 messages. Is idling for 22h 48m 11s, last said: 'they'll just be broken unless they also have a unitguid branch'. |
| 21:55.59 | Corr-work | that's pretty suspicious, though |
| 21:57.54 | Lunessa | Amarande: Plug in any other keyboard, and I bet the issue is resolved. |
| 21:58.02 | Amarande | Lunessa: actually, it looks like it might be a Windows issue |
| 21:58.05 | Amarande | Get a gander at this: |
| 21:58.05 | Lunessa | Well, any other "newer" keyboard. |
| 21:58.06 | Olorin | hmm, anyone know why when I use GetTextColor on an textbox i get pink a pink value instead of yellow :/ |
| 21:58.06 | Amarande | "Results 1 - 10 of about 1,330,000 for Ctrl Shift 0." |
| 21:58.51 | Amarande | Apparently, there's some very odd problem with that key combination under Vista, which I happen to use |
| 21:59.04 | Amarande | it's become a pretty hot-button issue for some folks because apparently CS0 is a useful key combination in Excel, in particular |
| 21:59.13 | Amarande | and ... guess what ... that doesn't work for Vista users either |
| 21:59.18 | Corr-work | ah |
| 21:59.30 | Corr-work | what a strange problem |
| 22:01.27 | Amarande | Apparently people have even tried on-screen keyboard features under Vista and STILL can't get that combination to work |
| 22:01.28 | Amarande | odd. |
| 22:01.38 | Corr-work | i wouldn't expect it to |
| 22:01.48 | Corr-work | after all, that's supposed to behave the same as physical keystrokes |
| 22:02.00 | Amarande | From what is being observed, apparently, Vista does not register a KeyDown event at all for the 0 key (and ONLY the 0 key) when Ctrl and Shift are both pressed |
| 22:02.11 | Amarande | Even more strangely, however, it DOES register a KeyUp event when the 0 is released. |
| 22:02.18 | Corr-work | it may be a shortcut reserved for something specific |
| 22:02.20 | Corr-work | oh dear :o |
| 22:02.38 | Thunder_Child | reserved for hacking in? |
| 22:03.01 | Corr-work | huh? |
| 22:03.22 | Thunder_Child | backdoor joke, nvm |
| 22:07.05 | Lunessa | Wait, TC made a back-door joke? |
| 22:07.25 | Corr-work | that's how he likes it, didn't you know? |
| 22:08.12 | Lunessa | Are you speaking from experience? |
| 22:08.46 | Corr-work | are we playing that "only use questions" game on Whose Line Is It Anyway? |
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| 22:10.10 | KarlKFI | there we go, found a decent shot of my raid UI: http:/www.karlkfi.com/WoW/UI_120708.jpg |
| 22:10.17 | KarlKFI | nothing super awesome |
| 22:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to post an in-raid screenshot still |
| 22:11.14 | KarlKFI | is there a way to move the location of that top right DBM bar? |
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| 22:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea, I refuse to run boss mods |
| 22:11.36 | KarlKFI | interesting |
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| 22:11.47 | KarlKFI | every guild i've been in req'd them |
| 22:11.54 | KarlKFI | all like 12 of them, lol |
| 22:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm putting a stop to that :) |
| 22:12.28 | KarlKFI | the alarm sound when your sign changes on thadius is nice |
| 22:12.41 | KarlKFI | can jsut ignore my debuffs till i hear the sound |
| 22:12.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently I'm just oldschool, and I just watch the debufs |
| 22:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah being lazy can be nice |
| 22:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But oh well :P |
| 22:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The last thing I need is another addon registered to COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED and 1000x other events |
| 22:13.43 | KarlKFI | my compy can handle it, so i load on as much as possible :) |
| 22:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I noticed from your resolution :P |
| 22:14.01 | KarlKFI | 30" ftw |
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| 22:14.37 | KarlKFI | got a 20" on the side for chat/web/irc |
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| 22:15.44 | zenzelezz | I'm stuck with 24" main display, 19" side, and 24" on second computer |
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| 22:16.09 | KarlKFI | yeah i was using 20" + 19" for most of college |
| 22:16.36 | KarlKFI | so my first big purchase when i got a real full time job was a 30" |
| 22:16.48 | zenzelezz | which one did you get? |
| 22:16.51 | KarlKFI | it's bigger than my tv |
| 22:16.56 | KarlKFI | apple one |
| 22:17.12 | zenzelezz | oh, right |
| 22:17.22 | KarlKFI | more expensive, basically the same thing as the dell one |
| 22:17.23 | zenzelezz | I'm using all Samsungs |
| 22:17.42 | KarlKFI | samsung and hp make similar ones i think |
| 22:17.55 | |pez| | I'm wanting a 21" dell one actually. |
| 22:18.15 | KarlKFI | but it matches my 20" and macpro, and i got education discount on it |
| 22:18.43 | KarlKFI | i'll have it paid off next month |
| 22:19.50 | KarlKFI | the 20" cinema vertical next to it is the same height |
| 22:19.56 | KarlKFI | works well |
| 22:20.21 | Amarande | the apple 30" monitor is pure <3 |
| 22:20.26 | Amarande | however, I can't justify spending 1800 on it :( |
| 22:20.54 | Amarande | heh, the value of money is too much in RL sometimes |
| 22:20.54 | Thrae | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/one-screen-to-rule-them-all/gateway-xhd3000-extreme-hd-30+incher-reviewed-verdict-really-ties-the-room-together-307408.php <-- this is my main monitor, I have a generic 19" and 15" as well hooked up. |
| 22:20.56 | KarlKFI | yeah, well i live by myself and have no gf atm lol |
| 22:21.13 | KarlKFI | and i watch all my movies on it |
| 22:21.13 | Amarande | I mean, $1800, that's what, the equivalent of plocking down 18g, which doesn't even buy you much at all from the AH now? |
| 22:21.45 | KarlKFI | tho comign to work on my 19" makes me want to cry |
| 22:22.12 | Amarande | ah, the shock of going to work to crappy computers |
| 22:22.26 | Amarande | "Come on, computer" must be like a mantra for me at work now |
| 22:22.37 | KarlKFI | pretty much |
| 22:22.41 | Amarande | I'm also not quite right in the head, either, so I tend to do odd things like talk to computers sometimes heh |
| 22:22.45 | KarlKFI | i think i have 1gb ram... |
| 22:23.18 | Amarande | I have 2GB on mine |
| 22:23.33 | Amarande | anyway, I go to work, and I have to do things like send western union transfers from an ancient unisys DOS machine |
| 22:23.46 | Amarande | and we're talking so ancient that it can't even do things like accept keyboard input while it is busy sending a disconnect command to the modem |
| 22:24.06 | Amarande | I also can't even think of how slow the modem probably is ... they were supposed to come in and upgrade us to carrier pigeon a few weeks ago, but ... heh |
| 22:24.29 | Amarande | or wait, was it carrier pigeon, or tin cans and string that was the next upgrade |
| 22:24.31 | Amarande | think it was pigeons |
| 22:24.44 | Duman | doh |
| 22:24.44 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.45 | Duman | Trying 12.129.242.24... |
| 22:24.45 | Duman | telnet: connect to address 12.129.242.24: Connection refused |
| 22:24.50 | Duman | who broke it |
| 22:25.04 | KarlKFI | :) my gcard here only has 1 port or i'd bring a spare 19" from home and dual |
| 22:25.06 | Amarande | Duman: Blizzard uses Goblin Engineers |
| 22:25.10 | Amarande | stuff breaks randomly |
| 22:25.15 | Duman | LOL |
| 22:25.38 | Olorin | hmm why cant i use the ingame /script to set avalue on textbox , SetText("|cFFED00FE test") prints exactly that rather than when its done in lua its colored... |
| 22:27.58 | KarlKFI | cant use | in chat |
| 22:28.05 | KarlKFI | have to escape it in unicode |
| 22:28.59 | Olorin | great, thanks |
| 22:30.39 | KarlKFI | sbo, is the img tag broke ont he forums? |
| 22:30.54 | KarlKFI | or does it not follow forwards |
| 22:31.02 | KarlKFI | or my nonstandard port lol |
| 22:31.26 | KarlKFI | 256K attachment size ftl |
| 22:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It should work |
| 22:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | [img]http://whatever[/img] |
| 22:32.17 | KarlKFI | didn't like my ss link above |
| 22:32.20 | Amarande | so, is it correct that the Merrymaker title can only be achieved this year? |
| 22:33.01 | smcn | what? |
| 22:33.12 | smcn | it's just a meta-achievement for winter's veil |
| 22:33.24 | KarlKFI | ahh, it wont follow the url forwarding, fail |
| 22:33.26 | smcn | i mean, i guess technically if they never have winter's veil again then yes :p |
| 22:33.37 | Amarande | smcn: apparently, there's talk that you won't ever be able to get the requirement "Gain 25 crashes with your Crashin' Thrashin' Racer during the Feast of Winter Veil." after this year |
| 22:33.43 | Amarande | because the Crashin' Thrashin' Racer is a 2008 gift |
| 22:34.05 | Amarande | or is this another epicfail like the halloween mask achievement that's going to have to be retracted next patch |
| 22:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: loads here |
| 22:34.14 | smcn | they'll either make it a reward every veil or just patch it to a different achievement |
| 22:34.20 | smcn | or remove it from the meta |
| 22:34.30 | KarlKFI | i changed it to link my ip directly |
| 22:34.44 | KarlKFI | didn't work with the forwarding karlkfi.com |
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| 22:47.15 | pastamancer | alestane: yo |
| 22:48.54 | Thunder_Child | Fortune Cookie: "A Zesty Partner Can Help You In Your Efforts To Get Ahead" |
| 22:49.03 | Thunder_Child | thats sounds....odd |
| 22:49.06 | pastamancer | ... in bed |
| 22:49.18 | Thunder_Child | or make the last word 2 worsd |
| 22:49.20 | Thunder_Child | words* |
| 22:55.23 | NightHawkTheSane | pastamancer: or, for a more depressing version.. "... except in bed." |
| 22:55.33 | pastamancer | NightHawkTheSane: I'm an optimist! |
| 22:55.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sorry.. |
| 22:55.41 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 22:56.23 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: sounds like a zen chef's advice to students |
| 23:00.08 | alestane | pastamancer: I was wondering if there's a branch of Grid for the PTR yet? |
| 23:01.35 | pastamancer | alestane: what's changed on the ptr? |
| 23:02.03 | alestane | Among other things, we fixed the way group headers are throwing errors in combat. |
| 23:02.11 | Amarande | Of course, when it comes to one's efforts to get ahead, nothing beats a good old fashioned guillotine. :) |
| 23:02.43 | pastamancer | well, fixing that shouldn't require any changes in grid... but I suppose that depends on how you 'fixed' it |
| 23:03.53 | pastamancer | I guess more importantly, is there anything that's not working in grid on the ptr that does work on live? |
| 23:03.54 | alestane | Also, I'm trying to write an extenstion to Grid, and wanted to make sure I had current code...just get the latest version of Curse then? |
| 23:04.08 | pastamancer | you can get it stright out of the svn |
| 23:04.30 | pastamancer | I'd recommend grabbing the unitguid branch since that's being released soon |
| 23:05.02 | zenzelezz | guildies abusing macros to /kiss multiple revelers |
| 23:05.05 | zenzelezz | x.x |
| 23:05.39 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, i cant really see a zen person using 'zesty' |
| 23:06.00 | Amarande | ah, zen |
| 23:06.04 | Amarande | sometimes I wish I was zen |
| 23:06.05 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:06.19 | pastamancer | alestane: while you're working on the group headers, make it so trying to sort a pet header doesn't cause multiple units (vehicles) with the same name to collide |
| 23:09.18 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: depending on whether they were talking about food or not |
| 23:12.27 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, still doesnt feel like a zen word |
| 23:13.54 | pastamancer | what is the sound of one zesty hand clapping? |
| 23:14.11 | Amarande | When I think 'zen', I think 'the ability to completely zero out your mind whenever needed' |
| 23:14.18 | Amarande | which is an ability I would most dearly love to have |
| 23:14.24 | Amarande | pastamancer: 'om nom nom nom'? |
| 23:14.40 | alestane | pastamancer: What distinguishes the unitguid branch? Is most of the code consistent? |
| 23:15.40 | pastamancer | alestane: grid stores information about each unit based on unit name, the unitguid branch stores information by unit guid therefore supporting multiple units with the same name |
| 23:16.07 | pastamancer | it's been a long time coming, but the addition of vehicles made it a necessity |
| 23:16.15 | alestane | For my purposes, not much different then. |
| 23:16.52 | pastamancer | I've also redone how layouts are setup |
| 23:17.00 | Amarande | pastamancer: so basically, that's only important in wintergrasp? |
| 23:17.09 | pastamancer | and if I have time, I'll be making some changes to the auras status |
| 23:17.18 | Amarande | btw, are there planned to be any raids where you have to use vehicles at certain parts? |
| 23:17.22 | pastamancer | Amarande: no, occulus, malygos, and strand of the ancients too |
| 23:17.30 | pastamancer | malygos pahse 3 |
| 23:17.33 | pastamancer | err, phase 3 |
| 23:18.43 | pastamancer | malygos and the occulus are why there's a few unhappy addon authors because you just can't do certaing things when there's vehicles involved |
| 23:19.07 | Amarande | LOL, I love the way someone got roasted on one of their wowhead comments |
| 23:19.27 | Amarande | "we just did onyxia with a group of 70s, she went down like titanic" |
| 23:19.29 | pastamancer | like finding out if a debuff was cast by you (your vehicle) |
| 23:19.31 | Amarande | guess what the next comment was? :) |
| 23:19.41 | pastamancer | the titanic too several hours to sink |
| 23:19.44 | Amarande | yeah |
| 23:19.55 | Amarande | someone then roasted them saying they took almost three hours to beat onyxia LOL :) |
| 23:21.26 | pastamancer | alestane: what will your grid addon do? |
| 23:24.19 | WobWork | I can see these two whelps hanging onto Onyxia's tail... "I'll never leave you Jack!!!" |
| 23:24.19 | alestane | Add a keyboard-navigable cursor to the grid. |
| 23:26.09 | pastamancer | oh... interesting... so you'd be able to use the keyboard to change your target around? |
| 23:26.46 | alestane | Basically. I wrote a sort of "minigrid" add-on called ZappORaid, and now I'm trying to integrate it into Grid. |
| 23:27.28 | Amarande | alestane: is that even possible to do with a unit frame? |
| 23:27.39 | pastamancer | let me know if you need something changed in grid to make that work |
| 23:27.47 | Amarande | I can't think if it's possible to have keyboard nav of unit frames without causing taint where taint isn't acceptable |
| 23:28.00 | Amarande | (and if you taint a secure frame, don't you end up tainting the whole secure frame API, too?) |
| 23:28.02 | pastamancer | bonus points if it has vi keybindings |
| 23:28.20 | alestane | Amarande: With some ingenuity, yes, it's completely possible. I was doing it before 3.0. |
| 23:29.06 | alestane | In fact, it's way easier under 3.0. |
| 23:29.49 | Amarande | I'm also supposing that all the time I spent reading the secure frame stuff in the wowprogramming book was wasted, too |
| 23:30.08 | WobWork | pastamancer: wouldn't vi bindings requre your right hand on the keyboard? =) |
| 23:30.56 | alestane | Amarande: Not ALL of it. |
| 23:31.16 | alestane | Secure Action Buttons and secure unit buttons are pasically the same. |
| 23:31.26 | alestane | Secure group headers are pretty much the same. |
| 23:31.45 | nevcairiel | depends what you want out of secure buttons, i guess =P |
| 23:31.50 | pastamancer | WobWork: well I figured wasd was already taken so why not |
| 23:31.56 | nevcairiel | the whole dynamic state stuff totally changed :) |
| 23:31.57 | Amarande | WobWork: c'mon, didn't you know, real raiders grow an extra pair of arms, like Shiva |
| 23:32.07 | WobWork | pastamancer: zomg keyboard turner! =) |
| 23:32.10 | Amarande | and they project thoughts straight from their third eye instead of using vent |
| 23:32.14 | alestane | But the secure state headers and anchors are completely rewritten. |
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| 23:32.51 | Shirik | rawr |
| 23:32.52 | pastamancer | WobWork: with clique I can't target people and mouse-turn at the same time |
| 23:32.57 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:33.29 | WobWork | pft =) |
| 23:33.34 | WobWork | technicalities |
| 23:36.51 | zenzelezz | I'm getting the feeling he's scripted |
| 23:37.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: is scripted? |
| 23:37.20 | zenzelezz | no, Gryphen |
| 23:37.26 | Shirik | I still like to play with him :( |
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| 23:38.05 | Gryphen | i like to play with you too! |
| 23:39.15 | Amarande | didn't you know? you're playing single player IRC. all of us are programmed bots |
| 23:39.42 | Shirik | lua> return "\1" |
| 23:40.28 | pastamancer | alestane: hoping you've read this already http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1&pageNo=9#168 VehicleWatch would be awesome and I'm hoping you can whisper in someone's ear about it |
| 23:40.43 | Shirik | ACTION |
| 23:40.43 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 23:40.49 | Shirik | eh |
| 23:40.52 | Shirik | oh well |
| 23:40.58 | Shirik | Screw IRC emotes |
| 23:41.19 | pastamancer | there there |
| 23:41.31 | Shirik | and I'm in a car :( |
| 23:41.51 | alestane | pastamancer: I'm hoping to get UnitHasVehicle or whatever the function is called added to the secure environment before the PTR is over, but no promises. |
| 23:42.24 | Thunder_Child | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:42.25 | Thunder_Child | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/12/12/hello-kitty-hospital.html |
| 23:42.37 | pastamancer | alestane: that's a start, but unless we can get UNIT_ENTERED/EXITED_VEHICLE passed on to the secure environment, I'm not sure how to make it work without using timers |
| 23:42.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:42.46 | Shirik | Quote detected from Shirik!i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik but not authoriz |
| 23:42.47 | Shirik | ed |
| 23:42.48 | Shirik | That's wierd :/ |
| 23:42.59 | Corr-work | not a bad idea, TC |
| 23:43.05 | alestane | pastamancer: I seem to remember that :WrapScript allows for some workable solutions. |
| 23:43.09 | Thunder_Child | ...go to hell Corr-work |
| 23:43.11 | Corr-work | not sure if it's a good idea |
| 23:43.25 | Shirik | hello kitty hospital? |
| 23:43.26 | pastamancer | alestane: I don't recall being able to wrap OnEvent |
| 23:43.30 | Shirik | I think it's a great idea |
| 23:43.37 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 23:43.50 | Shirik | I still need to load the page |
| 23:43.57 | Shirik | EVDO cards are good and all but they're not amazing |
| 23:44.19 | Shirik | no, I stand by what I said, I think that's a great idea |
| 23:44.39 | alestane | pastamancer: I'm loathe to offer too much hope, because we're EXTREMELY leery of providing secure event support of any kind. What events a function is registered for isn't something we can control securely. |
| 23:44.58 | Corr-work | having a pleasant environment in a hospital? cool. using -that- to be pleasant? i'm not really sure... |
| 23:45.07 | pastamancer | alestane: which is why I was hoping for something like UnitWatch but for vehicles |
| 23:45.19 | pastamancer | alestane: that way it's much more limited in its scope |
| 23:45.47 | Shirik | alestane: Well you COULD |
| 23:46.46 | Shirik | However, whether or not having authors submit addons to blizzard for certification is actually feasible/cost effective is definitely in question :) |
| 23:46.46 | Shirik | not really "in question" so much as "it isn't" |
| 23:46.46 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 23:46.47 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:47.06 | Amarande | so, what's the solution then for unit framing in raiding past naxx? |
| 23:47.11 | pastamancer | alestane: btw, kudos for remembering to sanitize the string metatable |
| 23:47.18 | alestane | pastamancer: I would guess that the easiest solution to push through would be something like a -"vehicle" suffix for unitIDs. |
| 23:47.32 | Shirik | I really like that idea |
| 23:47.44 | Shirik | and I think it's also the most obvious |
| 23:47.54 | Amarande | we're not going to be forced to abandon our unitframe addons and go back to blizzard frames, are we? |
| 23:47.58 | pastamancer | alestane: that would work for me... I'd have to have an extra unitframe for each unit |
| 23:48.07 | Amarande | well ... actually xperl seems to handle it -pretty- ok |
| 23:48.13 | pastamancer | alestane: I figured not having foo-vehicle as a valid unit was a conscious design decision |
| 23:48.15 | alestane | pastamancer: Actually, I think it was Esamynn who pointed out that string could be used to sneak stuff in and out. |
| 23:48.54 | alestane | Actually, we might have the tools we need now... |
| 23:49.02 | pastamancer | alestane: I tried since my utf8 library stuffs things into the string metatable :) |
| 23:49.03 | Amarande | what exactly are we trying to do with grid that xperl doesn't do/need to do? |
| 23:49.18 | NightHawkTheSane | not be xperl? |
| 23:49.19 | alestane | What does UnitCreatureFamily return for "pet" when you have a vehicle enabled? |
| 23:49.32 | pastamancer | alestane: Mechianical, Dragonkin, Not Specified |
| 23:49.37 | pastamancer | lemme look the rest up |
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| 23:49.57 | alestane | [pet:Mechanical] should work for that case then. |
| 23:50.13 | alestane | Or I think there's a second return. |
| 23:50.31 | alestane | But we might be able to identify them that way. |
| 23:50.40 | alestane | because vehicles are pets, right? |
| 23:50.50 | zenzelezz | apparently |
| 23:51.00 | pastamancer | they are |
| 23:51.06 | Gnarfoz | but not always? |
| 23:51.16 | pastamancer | vehicles are always pets, pets are not always vehicles |
| 23:51.26 | pastamancer | vehicles do not always have an interface |
| 23:51.31 | Gnarfoz | so hover disks at malygos are pets? |
| 23:51.36 | pastamancer | they are |
| 23:51.37 | alestane | But do the types overlap? |
| 23:51.51 | Gnarfoz | so warlocks and hunters have two pets if they're on a hover disk? oO |
| 23:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | pets and vehicles tend to conflict in some cases, though, for hunters |
| 23:52.06 | pastamancer | can you have a dragonkin pet as a hunter? |
| 23:52.15 | NightHawkTheSane | do dragonhawks count as dragonkin? |
| 23:52.17 | alestane | Only beasts, I think. |
| 23:52.29 | Amarande | Night: I take it you aren't a fan of xperl |
| 23:52.44 | Zeksie | so much hate |
| 23:52.46 | Shirik | Okay going into a valley now |
| 23:52.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i neither hate nor love it, but some people want choice |
| 23:52.50 | Shirik | so if I get disconnected, byes! |
| 23:53.09 | pastamancer | alestane: the problem is though that you can be in a multi-person vehicle and not have a vehicle interface |
| 23:53.09 | NightHawkTheSane | grid is -very- different from xperl, so asking "what does grid need to do that xperl doesn't" is a rather silly question |
| 23:54.32 | pastamancer | I don't think xperl handles vehicles in raids like the blizzard raid frames do either |
| 23:55.23 | Zeksie | didn't used to. now it uses a secureraidpetheader, just un-futzes the name in confusing cases like vehicles |
| 23:56.04 | pastamancer | right, but you're not swapping the normal unit with the pet unit |
| 23:56.30 | Zeksie | it just gets whatever the header gives it. so standard pet ids |
| 23:57.06 | pastamancer | which is what grid's doing now, so on malygos you get 50 units showing |
| 23:57.28 | Zeksie | yeh. a bit annoying, and it'd be so much nicer to replace the main frames if it were possible |
| 23:57.43 | pastamancer | which is why I'm poking alestane :) |
| 23:57.47 | Zeksie | :) |
| 23:58.02 | Zeksie | keep poking imo. i'll fetch a stick |
| 23:58.16 | pastamancer | so if UnitHasVehicleUI gets added to the restricted environment, would I be able to use that as a condition to show/hide a secure frame? |
| 23:58.32 | Zeksie | we'd need UnitInVehicle() too |
| 23:58.37 | alestane | When you were prompted by something, yes. |
| 23:58.53 | pastamancer | using the state driver or whatever it is, and let the state driver register the unit_exited/entered_vehicle? |
| 23:59.04 | alestane | Why do you need to know if a unit is in a vehicle but not controlling it? |
| 23:59.14 | pastamancer | because that's what the blizzard raid frames do |
| 23:59.19 | Zeksie | Hoverdiscs do not have a UI, but they're still controlled. |
| 23:59.51 | pastamancer | the default interface does not swap the unit and pet unless the unit has a vehicle ui |
| 23:59.54 | alestane | And what do you need to do when someone is in a vehicle that has no UI? |
