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| 00:02.17 | Kraps | what do priests think about the CoH nerf? |
| 00:04.33 | abyx | "oh darn now i won't dominate the healing meters anymore" |
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| 00:04.56 | Tekkub | I use CoH? |
| 00:05.35 | Kraps | so its not a "zomg i cant heal no more" nerf? |
| 00:06.50 | Tekkub | if you only ever cast one spell, I think you deserve it |
| 00:07.04 | abyx | priests have like 9000 different healing spells to use while CoH is on CD |
| 00:07.06 | NightHawkTheSane | its only a nerf to the idiots who spammed it |
| 00:07.36 | Dewin | It makes specs that don't include it more viable |
| 00:07.43 | Corr-work | can't blame people for doing what's effective |
| 00:08.10 | Corr-work | and there's no point in nerfing something that isn't effective |
| 00:08.21 | Kraps | i gotta research this |
| 00:08.24 | NightHawkTheSane | certainly not |
| 00:08.46 | NightHawkTheSane | what's to research? |
| 00:09.20 | Tekkub | s/research/find out how to abuse this before the nerf goes live/ |
| 00:10.04 | Kraps | lol |
| 00:10.20 | Kraps | my priest is only 29 |
| 00:11.04 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* 450 fishing. someone kill me |
| 00:11.23 | ccox | should we even ask how long that took? |
| 00:11.38 | cbreak | one month |
| 00:12.00 | abyx | of bottin i hope |
| 00:12.03 | Silentspy | nerf rogues to the ground |
| 00:12.05 | Silentspy | enough said |
| 00:12.09 | Corr-work | wow is fun, fishing simulator! |
| 00:12.28 | abyx | i might fish if my fishing were high enough to fish in dalaran... but it's not |
| 00:12.37 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. 2638 casts, from 1-450 skill. |
| 00:12.50 | abyx | i don't believe that |
| 00:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | why not? |
| 00:13.22 | Kraps | i'm looking at wowhead, CoH is the best heal from what i can see |
| 00:13.22 | abyx | seems too low |
| 00:13.41 | abyx | hence the nerf |
| 00:13.42 | NightHawkTheSane | abyx: thats what my statisics pane says, and i didn't pick up fishing on this toon until post-3.0 |
| 00:15.15 | Kraps | someone made this point: |
| 00:15.28 | Kraps | When a priest could go into 25 mans and top the healing charts by casting the same spell 97% of the time, something was wrong. |
| 00:15.30 | Kraps | 6 seconds however, is ridiculous. During that cooldown, a druid could lifebloom 4 people, a shammie could chain heal twice, a pally can even cast 4 or 5 (depending on lag and when they start casting) flashes. |
| 00:15.46 | mikma | umh, so how can you do a "reversed" cooldown O_o |
| 00:15.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: whoever said that is an idiot |
| 00:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not like the priest is standing there for 6s doing nothing |
| 00:16.17 | NightHawkTheSane | they have seven thousand other spells that can all be used to continue healing effectively |
| 00:16.21 | NightHawkTheSane | including one spell that still hits 5 people. |
| 00:17.39 | Kraps | ~7 |
| 00:17.40 | purl | 7 is probably see sqrt(12345678987654321), or the standard port for ECHO |
| 00:17.52 | Kraps | err.. no |
| 00:19.30 | cbreak | Kraps: frostboltfrostboltfrostbolt :) |
| 00:19.52 | mikma | right, SetReverse() |
| 00:20.30 | Kraps | cbreak: glad to see you dont use pyroblast |
| 00:20.40 | cbreak | I don't even have that spell |
| 00:20.47 | Kraps | yeah |
| 00:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | well if he's spamming frostbolt, yeah |
| 00:21.07 | NightHawkTheSane | if he were fire, it would be fireballfireballfireballpyroblast |
| 00:21.17 | cbreak | + a few scorches once in a while |
| 00:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 00:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | although as frost you're still fireballing now and then too, if you have brain freeze |
| 00:21.46 | cbreak | yeah |
| 00:21.55 | cbreak | and summon water elemental :) |
| 00:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i always forget to use my water elemental |
| 00:23.09 | Kraps | or pyroblasttankgosrunningaloverthedamnplacetryingtogetaggro |
| 00:23.22 | cbreak | it's become a second nature to me. |
| 00:23.45 | cbreak | I still forget it sometimes in learning fights, but sometimes I get 50% uptime |
| 00:23.47 | cbreak | (almost) |
| 00:24.45 | Kraps | <--- tank |
| 00:25.01 | Kraps | MM hunters create the same problem |
| 00:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, my take is people who pull agro can either tank it, or die. |
| 00:25.43 | cbreak | the tanks I have nowadays have agro like the mobs are glued to them |
| 00:25.50 | Duman | yeah |
| 00:25.52 | Duman | aggro is a non-issue these days |
| 00:25.56 | cbreak | DK tanks are nice |
| 00:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 00:26.12 | Duman | Blood spec will be even more interesting to tank w/ after 3.0.8 |
| 00:26.15 | cbreak | I just did the boss after razuvious in nax with a DK tank and a DK dps |
| 00:26.21 | cbreak | they could just grip the adds to us |
| 00:26.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i still pull agro now and then in 5 mans, but thats usually because i don't really wait for the tank to do anything |
| 00:26.23 | Duman | assuming the VB change goes into that patch, i didn't look carefully |
| 00:26.27 | cbreak | very convenient :) |
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| 00:26.43 | cbreak | I can pull agro if I play like an idiot |
| 00:26.48 | Duman | well, duh |
| 00:26.54 | cbreak | but then it's my fault :) |
| 00:27.01 | Duman | but that' the point - you really have to try to pull aggro |
| 00:27.09 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: thats fine, but if you make the mob run behind me so i cant see what its doing, i will hate you |
| 00:27.21 | Kraps | you = lolps |
| 00:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: in 5 mans, ill do what i please, as they're so trivial anyway :p |
| 00:28.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: with vigilence on, its surprisingly hard to pull agro, even when trying. >< |
| 00:28.29 | cbreak | I often wipe plenty in 5 mans |
| 00:28.36 | cbreak | (of course it's never my fault :D) |
| 00:28.39 | Kraps | then maybe i need to respec |
| 00:28.59 | cbreak | what class are you? |
| 00:29.56 | Kraps | tank |
| 00:30.00 | Kraps | er |
| 00:30.00 | cbreak | warrior? |
| 00:30.07 | Kraps | yeah |
| 00:30.31 | Kraps | current build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAM00bZhZVItrxczibIzsGo |
| 00:30.41 | cbreak | yeah, that vigilance thing is nice, also there are TotT from the rogues and MD from the hunters that can help with threat |
| 00:31.24 | Kraps | leveling/grinding |
| 00:31.34 | Kraps | + 5mans |
| 00:32.02 | Kraps | but i'm 80 already |
| 00:32.03 | Duman | yeah I pop TotT all the time |
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| 00:32.12 | cbreak | maybe better spend one in vigilance than focused rage. But don't listen to me, my warrior isn't even 60 yet :) |
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| 00:32.54 | Kraps | or take off from arms |
| 00:33.34 | Kraps | i actually use devastate very little |
| 00:33.42 | cbreak | there's plenty of stuff to read about tanking. I haven't read it, since I am a mage though :) |
| 00:33.53 | cbreak | you refresh sunder with sunder? |
| 00:33.53 | Olorin | someone please tell me this shammy quest call of water is worth running my tauren legs off for lol |
| 00:34.03 | Thunder_Child | cool, semi NAS replacement |
| 00:34.07 | Thunder_Child | http://www.addonics.com/products/nas/nasu2.asp |
| 00:34.25 | Industrial | Olorin: do all class quests. |
| 00:34.27 | Kraps | cbreak: erm no |
| 00:34.57 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: when tanking trash packs in heroics and such, i think the tank i run with uses primarily cleave/TC, rarely devastate |
| 00:35.00 | Kraps | edit: i use devastate/sunder |
| 00:35.05 | Olorin | hmm not in the case of warlock lol |
| 00:35.07 | Kraps | very little |
| 00:35.10 | Thunder_Child | ~kick NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:35.10 | purl | ACTION kicks NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:35.17 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 00:35.28 | cbreak | times have changed :/ |
| 00:35.29 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: if you only use it to share disks yes :P |
| 00:35.39 | cbreak | back in the days, sunder was _the_ threat move |
| 00:35.50 | NightHawkTheSane | back in the days, there weren't really other things to DO. :p |
| 00:35.55 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, thats all a NAS does |
| 00:35.56 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: amen |
| 00:36.17 | Kraps | and i'm playing less than a yeay |
| 00:36.20 | Kraps | year |
| 00:36.29 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: on some you can put linux (like the NSLU2) |
| 00:36.43 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: and then make it do bittorrent/service X for you :P |
| 00:36.55 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, "In addition, the NAS adapter can also be used as a print server or as a Bit-Torrent downloading appliance." |
| 00:37.20 | Kraps | i need advice on glyph though |
| 00:37.51 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, however at some point the lines blur between a NAS and a server |
| 00:39.04 | Industrial | yeah cept if you try to do too much on a nas you notice pretty early that its SHIT slow ;D |
| 00:39.10 | Kraps | Glyph of Sunder Armor and Glyph of Cleaving kind of depend on what you are gonna use |
| 00:39.12 | Industrial | compared to having a server ofc |
| 00:39.22 | Industrial | anyway, nn! |
| 00:39.27 | Thunder_Child | night Industrial |
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| 00:40.43 | MeStinkBAD | Hmm |
| 00:41.09 | Kraps | Glyph of Smite |
| 00:41.09 | Kraps | Major Glyph |
| 00:41.09 | Kraps | Classes: Priest |
| 00:41.09 | Kraps | Requires Level 15 |
| 00:41.10 | Kraps | Use: Increases the chance you'll resist spell interruption when casting your Smite spell by 50%. |
| 00:41.10 | Kraps | woot |
| 00:41.10 | Kraps | :p |
| 00:41.12 | MeStinkBAD | What was my quit msg? |
| 00:41.46 | cbreak | MeStinkBAD (n=na@ip68-228-51-164.tc.ph.cox.net) left the chat room. (Excess Flood) |
| 00:41.48 | MeStinkBAD | kay |
| 00:42.04 | Cairenn | Shirik: <3 you too! |
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| 00:43.18 | Shirik | <3? |
| 00:43.18 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:43.18 | Thunder_Child | from whay back Shirik |
| 00:43.18 | Thunder_Child | you fail at memory |
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| 00:44.07 | Kraps | Glyph of Holy Nova might make Holy Nova useful to a holy priest no? |
| 00:44.31 | MeStinkBAD | How many exploits does this server have? |
| 00:44.31 | Shirik | what's it do? |
| 00:44.31 | Shirik | MeStinkBAD? |
| 00:44.51 | Kraps | Use: Your Holy Nova spell heals for an additional 40%, but deals 40% less damage. |
| 00:45.17 | MeStinkBAD | What's the WHO params flor search for opers? |
| 00:45.44 | Shirik | uh, /stats p? |
| 00:45.47 | Cairenn | Shirik: it was while I was afk walking to the corner store and back, then pidgin crashed on me :p |
| 00:46.04 | MeStinkBAD | I dunno freenode is full of security holes |
| 00:46.08 | Shirik | Also, this channel does not condone malicious behavior towards the freenode servers, so I suggest whatever you are doing should be ceased immediately |
| 00:46.18 | Shirik | and not discussed here |
| 00:46.22 | MeStinkBAD | I am not doing anything |
| 00:46.39 | Shirik | You got booted off 3 times for excess flood and you're not doing anything? |
| 00:46.49 | MeStinkBAD | I can see all the stuff my client is sending to and from the server |
| 00:47.08 | MeStinkBAD | Yeah... here... let's see it didn't happen till I joined Wowwiki... |
| 00:47.19 | MeStinkBAD | I mean the channel |
| 00:47.25 | Shirik | If you need an operator, either join #freenode or run /stats p |
| 00:48.58 | Thunder_Child | it's all Shiibot's fault |
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| 00:49.24 | MeStinkBAD | Hmm I found the problem |
| 00:50.58 | MeStinkBAD | I scan the channel via /userhost |
| 00:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:51.30 | MeStinkBAD | I'm running this in a VM that might be the issue |
| 00:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Know how the priest Fade removes all aggro in the short term? |
| 00:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't actually do that |
| 00:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Apply Aura: Mod Total Threat (Fade) |
| 00:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Value: -90000000 |
| 00:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It just does "most" of it |
| 00:51.49 | MeStinkBAD | But it won't send more than 4 at a time |
| 00:51.56 | MeStinkBAD | 4 lines or 20 nicks |
| 00:52.08 | MeStinkBAD | then it should wait 15 seconds |
| 00:52.19 | MeStinkBAD | it's not waiting more like 5 seconds |
| 00:52.22 | Kraps | i need to grind gold/rep for epic flying and gear for heroics and i'm too lazy, plus i need to level my priest so i can RAF level with a friend /sigh |
| 00:52.56 | MeStinkBAD | The VM should not be an issue |
| 00:52.57 | Shirik | only 90 million, ScytheBlade1? |
| 00:54.26 | Shirik | I wonder where they came up with that number |
| 00:56.41 | Kraps | when are they going to "fix" warrior stances? |
| 00:57.07 | Kraps | mentioned at blizzcon, not heard from since |
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| 00:58.24 | cbreak | what's wrong? |
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| 00:59.13 | Kraps | no i mean make them "normal" like the dk's presences |
| 00:59.22 | NightHawkTheSane | what's abnormal about them? |
| 01:00.18 | cbreak | I leveled to 53 in battle stance, so I am not too experienced |
| 01:00.27 | cbreak | but they seemed to work quite well |
| 01:00.37 | cbreak | the only pain was that some spells didn't work in it |
| 01:00.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the only thing i recall being mentioned is that battle stance was a bit "uninteresting" compared to the others |
| 01:00.52 | Kraps | not battstance = nothing, def = ok tank stance, zerk = idiotic +3 crit +10 damage intake |
| 01:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | its something they mentioned they were giving thought to, but that it was working fine for now, so they had no immediate plans |
| 01:01.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: read above as "we aren't interested in changing that because we don't think it's broke" |
| 01:02.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 01:02.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I think at best, they said it could be "more interesting" |
| 01:02.27 | Kraps | its "fine for now" because people dont seem to realize the potential, and theres no massive qq |
| 01:02.36 | NightHawkTheSane | because it's not broken |
| 01:03.13 | Kraps | again, its not "broken", just stupid compared |
| 01:04.59 | Kraps | ran HoL today, a dps warrior came into the group before the last boss, every time the dawrf mobs WWed he died |
| 01:05.47 | cbreak | he had a threat issue |
| 01:05.51 | cbreak | when I aoe I don't die :) |
| 01:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds like overal group failure |
| 01:06.59 | Duman | those ww's hurt |
| 01:07.02 | NightHawkTheSane | the runeshapers are pretty nasty, if your melee isn't smart enough to get out, or stun them when they do that move (i forge the name) they desesrve to die |
| 01:07.10 | Duman | gotta stun them |
| 01:07.12 | Duman | yeah |
| 01:07.23 | Duman | or at the very least, deal w/ one at a time |
| 01:07.29 | Kraps | heh, at loken we got him to half health, dps warrior and lock die, me, dk, and pally healer took him down |
| 01:08.05 | Kraps | stay out of the nova |
| 01:08.06 | cbreak | I usually sheep them |
| 01:08.20 | Lunessa | Every single instance non-boss Whirlwind is interruptible, and many of the boss ones are as well. |
| 01:08.33 | cbreak | interruptable? |
| 01:08.38 | cbreak | not with cs. stun? |
| 01:08.39 | Lunessa | <3 Earthshock |
| 01:08.56 | Shirik | f earthshock |
| 01:09.01 | Shirik | that spell is death of me |
| 01:09.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: hm, do you know if Skadi the Ruthless' is? |
| 01:09.15 | Shirik | Isn't it on a 5s CD? |
| 01:09.19 | NightHawkTheSane | (in pinnacle) |
| 01:09.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: 6s, 5talented, but no pve shaman pick up that talent |
| 01:09.35 | Shirik | ok but seriously |
| 01:09.40 | Lunessa | NhtS: Refresh my ailing memory - which boos? |
| 01:09.41 | Shirik | it causes a 2s CD on my spells |
| 01:09.44 | Shirik | my spells are 3s cast |
| 01:09.47 | Shirik | so.... |
| 01:09.48 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:09.49 | Kraps | btw, have you guys had stuff drop twice in the same instance? |
| 01:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | 3rd boss, the guy on the drake with the gauntlet |
| 01:10.08 | cbreak | yes kraps |
| 01:10.13 | cbreak | we did naxx 25 this week |
| 01:10.16 | cbreak | the second time |
| 01:10.28 | cbreak | we had 4 times the necklace for tanks |
| 01:10.35 | Kraps | first bfd then stocks |
| 01:10.35 | Lunessa | I recall ES doing just fine as an interrupt against him. Of course, my timing was off the first time. |
| 01:10.40 | cbreak | "Heritage". |
| 01:10.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: his WW on heroic has wrecked so many melee.. : |
| 01:11.00 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 01:11.09 | Kraps | cbreak: is that a bug? |
| 01:11.10 | Lunessa | NHtS: Including me. |
| 01:11.17 | cbreak | I don't think so |
| 01:11.19 | cbreak | just bad luck |
| 01:11.26 | cbreak | (although the tanks say it's not bad luck...) |
| 01:11.32 | cbreak | I think it's lame. |
| 01:12.17 | Kraps | large green sack twice in same stocks |
| 01:12.28 | Kraps | that was win |
| 01:12.32 | Lunessa | And in beta I took the reduced cooldown for shocks talent, but in live I decided I would rather have some other stuff in the enhancement tree. I don't care what EJ forums say about my build. :P |
| 01:12.37 | cbreak | Heritage is a boss drop. |
| 01:12.46 | Kraps | O_o |
| 01:12.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i've yet to really see a 5s CD on shocks useful for anything but pvp |
| 01:13.00 | cbreak | (four different bosses dropped it :) |
| 01:13.53 | Kraps | wowhead has 5 of them dropping it |
| 01:14.10 | Lunessa | Right, I got it in beta because I reduced the cooldown on Stormstrike and I thought it would help me maintain a rhythm. I figured I'd rather have instant Ghostwolf and Earthen Power. |
| 01:17.48 | Kraps | people are selling really nice tanking gear in trade :/ |
| 01:18.09 | Kraps | and i keep buying |
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| 01:19.02 | Kraps | see em on my priest, tell em to cod to my main |
| 01:19.10 | Kraps | pretty cool |
| 01:20.48 | Lunessa | The only thing I don't like about CoD - the recipient has 30 days to decide to pay. |
| 01:21.53 | Kraps | someone once refused to do it, said he has too many people return stuff |
| 01:22.10 | mikma | oh, they are freeing up the dk creation in 3.0.8 |
| 01:22.21 | Kraps | yeah |
| 01:22.27 | Lunessa | So, no requirement to have a toon already? |
| 01:23.46 | Kraps | which brings me to my next thing (sorry), there wouldnt have been a "shortage" if dual specs had been implemented earlier |
| 01:24.43 | Lunessa | shortage of what? |
| 01:25.08 | Olorin | that means that anyone starting to play wow can make a 55 or 58 when done with their quests character without a clue what they are doing.. great |
| 01:25.35 | Kraps | Lunessa: tanks |
| 01:25.42 | Kraps | now theres a shortage of healers, which i think would disappear with dual specs |
| 01:26.04 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 01:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | people willing to play healers generally are okay with respeccing |
| 01:26.27 | Lunessa | Kraps: Not me. No way. No sir. Nuh-uh. Enhancement for life dawg. |
| 01:26.35 | Kraps | heh |
| 01:26.44 | Lunessa | I did my time a a healer. |
| 01:26.49 | cbreak | I am a tank speced mage. |
| 01:26.54 | cbreak | but I respec to healing if needed... |
| 01:27.01 | Kraps | lol |
| 01:27.04 | Kraps | ty |
| 01:27.11 | cbreak | (unfortunately, I am bad at either ...) |
| 01:28.21 | Lunessa | I leveled a priest to 60 in vanilla wow in a guild full of ret paladins. Then again to 70 when the same guild full of ret paladins couldn't ever find healers for raids. But my main is my shaman, and I'm not doing that again. |
| 01:28.57 | Olorin | someone told me when WoTLK came out that it was intended for their to be other hero classes, including a healing class, any truth in that happening? |
| 01:29.10 | kd3 | no |
| 01:29.36 | cbreak | not in WotLK |
| 01:29.41 | cbreak | maybe in the next expansion |
| 01:29.55 | Kraps | what happened to /4? |
| 01:30.02 | cbreak | what's that? |
| 01:30.12 | kd3 | you only join LFG if you're actively in the system |
| 01:30.14 | Kraps | lfg channel |
| 01:30.25 | cbreak | type /lfg |
| 01:30.31 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: how much better do oyou want? :p |
| 01:30.59 | Kraps | ohh it says i'm in lfm so no lfg |
| 01:31.05 | kd3 | anything. the harder-than-s sound in the middle of azjol isn't adequately stated |
| 01:31.33 | Kraps | which is strange |
| 01:31.48 | Kraps | will someone please buff lfg? |
| 01:32.00 | cbreak | I've never used it |
| 01:32.09 | cbreak | I was in guild parties only since years |
| 01:32.15 | kd3 | I wanna say "ah-s-JAW", but that could still be read wrong |
| 01:32.20 | cbreak | (or invited by guildies to pickups) |
| 01:33.33 | Kraps | if i'm in duskwood and type "lfm stocks" does anyone know what i just said? |
| 01:34.13 | kd3 | sure. not that the stormwind stockade is all that far from duskwood or anything... |
| 01:34.17 | kd3 | now in darkshore, on the other hand |
| 01:35.46 | kd3 | switching gears... they've brought the ptr forum up but disabled posting on it. heh |
| 01:36.29 | Kraps | what does that signify? |
| 01:37.18 | kd3 | the ptr's happening soon as in RSN and not http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 01:38.02 | Dewin | yeah, Soon as in you can get the .torrent for the PTR client (though it 404s) and PTR copy is up |
| 01:38.15 | Lunessa | Haha... Best analogy for DKP system ever. "It's the equivalent of someone wanting a new TV. They can either keep entering contests and hope to win it (run with a pug), or they can save up and buy one (DKP). " |
| 01:38.44 | Dewin | hey, at least in a pug your odds of winning are at worst 1 in 25. The bigger problem is hoping the contest is even held. |
| 01:41.45 | Kraps | wait, how do lowbies get to SM? |
| 01:41.57 | kd3 | get to southshore and run |
| 01:42.03 | kd3 | through tirisfal |
| 01:42.34 | Lunessa | On a PvP server, it's like a buffet that comes to you! |
| 01:42.47 | Anaral | Southshore to WPL FP and then to Trist |
| 01:44.57 | Kraps | say i'm at IF, it would take half an hour to walk! |
| 01:46.05 | Kraps | IF, wetlands, arathi, hillsbrad, alterac, wpl, Trist |
| 01:54.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: we run from UC, up the road of course. silly alliance. ;) |
| 01:54.56 | Kraps | you! /shakesfist |
| 01:55.09 | Olorin | at level 80 are quel'dana (forget spelling) quests give same gold as before at 70 or more ? |
| 01:55.43 | NightHawkTheSane | probably the same, but maybe less. |
| 01:56.47 | Olorin | curious how easy it will be to get flying mounts for alts lol still yet to get epic flying on my 74 pally :/ |
| 01:57.01 | Lunessa | Olorin: I never bothered with them at 80. The largest part of the factor was the XP -> Gold conversion and a level 70 quest is worth zero XP at 80. |
| 01:57.12 | NightHawkTheSane | easy, if you have any idea how to make money |
| 01:57.14 | Thunder_Child | http://www.nvidia.com/object/12_days.html |
| 01:57.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that's actually one thing i wondered, is the XP->G conversion at max level based on the XP the quest would give you? so grey quests would give much less gold? |
| 01:57.45 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: i dont, hence, i dont |
| 01:57.51 | Lunessa | Night: Correct. |
| 01:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | in that case, doing both HF and BT first is really the only sensible course of action |
| 01:58.32 | NeoTron | why not just do the level 80 dailies? |
| 01:58.38 | Lunessa | There are some many dailies to do at 80 it's not even funny. |
| 01:58.40 | Olorin | ah, thanks Lunessa |
| 01:58.46 | NeoTron | maybe a strange and wild idea |
| 01:59.01 | NeoTron | not to mention all the level 80 non-daily quests you'll have left after getting to 80 |
| 01:59.05 | Lunessa | And, those dailies pay about 13-24g. |
| 01:59.20 | NightHawkTheSane | well i mean, if you plan on doing all the quests, better to do HF & BT first, get the XP for them, instead of waiting for 80 and not getting crap |
| 01:59.22 | Lunessa | And delicious rep. Mmmm.. rep. |
| 01:59.47 | NeoTron | man armory has been broken all day |
| 01:59.51 | Olorin | cause he still lvl 74 and not seen dailys yet really not lvl 80 ones anyway, was curious when I do get their |
| 01:59.56 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: or better yet, just skip HF because it sucks |
| 01:59.58 | Lunessa | Night, that's what I did. HF, BT, Dragonblight, Grizzly Hills, ... Ding 80... keep questing. |
| 02:00.10 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: "if you plan on doing all the quests" |
| 02:00.41 | NeoTron | I must say though, even with TourGuide HF is a significantly worse place to level in |
| 02:00.51 | NeoTron | and having leveled there before too |
| 02:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i found it a bit easier on successive times, as i had a better idea of where to go and what was ahead. |
| 02:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, the overall quest flow is kinda painful |
| 02:01.32 | NeoTron | it's not so much that it's hard - it's just slow (less xp per hour by a factor 2-4) |
| 02:02.19 | Olorin | must admit I found BT lot quicker to quest through, but was couple levels higher too so... |
| 02:02.41 | NeoTron | it's not the level really - it is a lot quicker |
| 02:03.06 | NeoTron | even a friend who was a big fan of HF on beta admitted in retail that BT is a better place to level if you look for leveling speed |
| 02:03.22 | Lunessa | BT has dense quest clusters. HF has a lot more area to cover in traveling. |
| 02:03.23 | NeoTron | I know for many people that isn't important though. |
| 02:03.31 | Lunessa | Anyway, headed home. Ciao guys. |
| 02:03.39 | NightHawkTheSane | HF also has more cliffs to accidentally fall off of |
| 02:03.40 | NeoTron | Lunessa: not only that but a tendency to have just 1-2 quests in the log |
| 02:03.57 | Olorin | take care Lunessa |
| 02:04.01 | Lunessa | Yeah, but I liked it, and milked it anyway. |
| 02:04.02 | Lunessa | Ciao |
| 02:04.25 | NeoTron | I leveled there on my DK but eventually just gave up (before achievement) and moved on to BT |
| 02:04.33 | NeoTron | I got to the last alliance quest hub though |
| 02:05.10 | kd3 | whee for anime music from the 90s. yay for yoko kanno |
| 02:05.48 | Olorin | probably been asked million times before but are they ever gonna allocated any rewards to the achievement points? |
| 02:06.12 | kd3 | spending points as a currency? no. rewards for doing specific achievements? certainly |
| 02:06.13 | NeoTron | Olorin: no |
| 02:06.13 | abyx | lua> x=1 y=(not x) print(y) |
| 02:06.14 | lua_bot | abyx: false |
| 02:06.21 | abyx | does false == 0 ? |
| 02:06.29 | Shirik | no |
| 02:06.30 | Shirik | false == false |
| 02:06.45 | Shirik | though it should also be pointed out that 0 evaluates to true, not false, in Lua |
| 02:07.09 | abyx | ... |
| 02:07.13 | abyx | whos bright idea was that |
| 02:07.18 | Shirik | It's very logical |
| 02:07.23 | Shirik | It's just different from C |
| 02:07.28 | Shirik | It allows for some very useful constructs |
| 02:07.40 | Shirik | Why do you want 0 to be false? |
| 02:07.52 | abyx | 0 = off = false, 1 = on = true |
| 02:07.58 | abyx | makes sense to me |
| 02:08.11 | Shirik | Not in Lua |
| 02:08.15 | Shirik | Lua is a scripting language |
| 02:08.28 | Shirik | Also, it should be pointed out that "off" is generally true when you get to the transistor level |
| 02:08.39 | Shirik | That's just something else that isn't shown to you |
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| 02:09.03 | Shirik | there are levels of abstraction |
| 02:09.05 | Shirik | Lua has another one |
| 02:09.13 | abyx | well.. how do i swap a variable from 1 to 0 or from 0 to 1? |
| 02:09.27 | Shirik | var = var == 1 and 0 or 1 |
| 02:09.36 | Shirik | or |
| 02:09.40 | Shirik | var = 1 - var |
| 02:10.09 | kd3 | Seatbelts - Fingers <3 |
| 02:10.17 | Shirik | the first is faster, the second is shorter |
| 02:14.25 | kd3 | hm... I wonder if I should abuse my position and post an ad for child's play on the wiki's front page |
| 02:18.18 | simtower_laptop_ | succumb to the temptation |
| 02:18.37 | simtower_laptop_ | welcome to the dark side |
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| 02:35.13 | Kraps | what river flows between Missouri and Illinois? Missouri or Mississippi? |
| 02:36.59 | Corrodias | dunno |
| 02:37.42 | Corrodias | let's see, i'd guess mississippi, because i know that's a long, north/south oriented river around that area |
| 02:41.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: maps.google.com |
| 02:42.52 | Thunder_Child | i swear i can never get VNC to work properly |
| 02:44.00 | kd3 | holy hell the latest push of street view has the road outside my parents' place in the middle of nowhere |
| 02:44.02 | kd3 | o_O |
| 02:45.28 | Tekkub | street view kicks ass |
| 02:54.24 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: creeeeeepyyyyyyyyyy |
| 02:54.24 | kd3 | ho... they've added my old school in statesboro too. at least I can tell when they took these pictures |
| 02:54.24 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 02:54.24 | Tekkub | http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.717118,-105.163418&spn=0.012693,0.027895&z=16&g=42+S+Holman+Way,+Golden,+CO+80401&layer=c&cbll=39.716089,-105.164655&panoid=cxTS3Pj110Us0vowtRxmvw&cbp=12,98.71339042714374,,0,-7.97469282544884 |
| 02:54.24 | Tekkub | it's my apt! |
| 02:54.25 | kd3 | heh. that was my thought... about to get to my old one |
| 02:54.26 | kd3 | my old apartment's in there --> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=32.408809,-81.776293&spn=0.022681,0.06403&z=14&layer=c&cbll=32.408809,-81.776293&panoid=q_TTvhGV051DFOsK2OQV3g&cbp=11,297.16243128695226,,0,-3.4844455567802997 |
| 02:54.27 | Tem | oh god |
| 02:54.27 | Tem | it's go my parent's house too |
| 02:54.27 | Tem | got |
| 02:54.27 | kd3 | heh. fail... looks like the googlemobile got lost following navteq's data and wound up in a parking lot |
| 02:54.27 | Tem | also, it looks like they took the picture on a monday |
| 02:54.32 | Tem | because everyone has their recycle bins out |
| 02:55.29 | Tem | oh hey |
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| 03:46.44 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "and it'll only stick in the crevices" - pastamancer |
| 03:46.46 | Sixen | Or should we just wait. |
| 03:46.56 | kd3 | haven't seen him post in the past hour or two |
| 03:47.01 | Sixen | ah |
| 03:49.15 | Sixen | ps kd3, my website is back up with all the /qa/ stuff still. |
| 03:50.11 | mikma | oooh yeah, my wife reminded me about this mage who didnt have AI |
| 03:50.22 | mikma | reason? he thought its useless |
| 03:55.53 | NightHawkTheSane | so, doing azjol'nerub |
| 03:55.54 | AnduinLothar | it is... in sunwell.. |
| 03:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you know the bridge after the first boss, leading to hadronox... |
| 03:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | we were running back from a wipe, and I healed up and jumped off that bridge, as a shortcut down |
| 03:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ... so the DK and mage follow me.. and die from the falling damage. |
| 03:59.00 | mikma | druid, or priest |
| 03:59.03 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@173-25-20-143.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:59.12 | mikma | or, they had too low hp? |
| 04:01.00 | Tem | he could be a rogue |
| 04:01.10 | mikma | he healed! |
| 04:01.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm a shaman, i said "i healed up", we were running back from a wipe.. |
| 04:01.18 | NightHawkTheSane | so we were all at half health |
| 04:01.28 | cbreak | how can a mage die from falling damage? |
| 04:01.35 | cbreak | we have blink, ice block, slow fall... |
| 04:01.35 | mikma | err |
| 04:01.43 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: this mage is total fail. |
| 04:01.52 | mikma | player1 has 20000 life |
| 04:01.54 | mikma | player2 has 5000 life |
| 04:01.57 | cbreak | obviously he's also total fall :) |
| 04:02.08 | mikma | they both suffer 10000k falldamage |
| 04:02.33 | mikma | which one dies, shaman or mage. FAILMAGE |
| 04:02.45 | cbreak | isn't falling damage proportional to total health? |
| 04:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | max health |
| 04:03.00 | NightHawkTheSane | it's percent based |
| 04:03.29 | cbreak | yeah, so the one with 5000 will take less damage from same distance as the one with 20k |
| 04:03.56 | mikma | err, max hp based |
| 04:04.13 | mikma | its not that much of a difference at highend |
| 04:05.57 | mikma | but still, other one with full hp and other with half hp fall fro m same height, obviously the half-fail fails |
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| 04:07.51 | Shirik | Windows is one of the only OSes that I know of that can complain that an application is "Not Responding" when in fact it is another application that is not responding, and the only reason this one appears as such is because WINDOWS ISN'T SCHEDULING ANY TIME FOR IT |
| 04:09.12 | mikma | my nokia tells me "application is running slow, do you want to quit it" |
| 04:09.37 | Shirik | But is it actually that application's fault? |
| 04:09.55 | Thunder_Child | PEBKAC |
| 04:10.20 | mikma | ya, the application that hangs the nokia |
| 04:10.57 | mikma | and theres some sort of watchdog that even boots this if it halts for too long |
| 04:11.31 | Shirik | An error occurred while processing your request: Component code "config" is unknwown. |
| 04:11.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:11.42 | Shirik | unknwown |
| 04:12.15 | mikma | lul wut |
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| 04:14.44 | Shirik | purl, please educate nobin |
| 04:14.49 | Shirik | ~wtf imo |
| 04:16.52 | Shirik | see mikma, that makes sense |
| 04:16.56 | Shirik | that it kills that app |
| 04:17.10 | Shirik | Instead, Windows is like "Oh wait, this app hasn't done any system calls recently!" Which is all fine and good |
| 04:17.22 | Shirik | But if you haven't scheduled it, how the hell is it going to make a system call |
| 04:17.27 | Shirik | it should be CPU time it's tracking, not realtime |
| 04:17.45 | Shirik | So if some other app locks up the CPU, then every other app might list as "not responding" because they don't get CPU time |
| 04:21.57 | mikma | well |
| 04:22.29 | mikma | lets hope the newest they are coding will improve shit |
| 04:26.12 | mikma | didnt they admit that vista was a huge failure |
| 04:26.18 | Shirik | Honestly, I love Vista |
| 04:27.10 | mikma | ok, why? =) |
| 04:27.20 | Thunder_Child | i enjoy vista |
| 04:28.05 | Shirik | hoooooooooly shit |
| 04:28.09 | Shirik | Okay, for those of you programming with IPB |
| 04:28.21 | Shirik | var_dump($this->ipsclass) is not a good way to find out what's in there |
| 04:28.32 | Shirik | (ipsclass is where IPB stores everything. Literally.) |
| 04:28.57 | Shirik | It's still downloading the page... |
| 04:30.35 | Otixa | Oh lawd |
| 04:30.46 | Shirik | 103938 lines |
| 04:30.53 | Thunder_Child | thats nothing |
| 04:31.11 | Otixa | Just make a foreach that lists the keys, and then dump the individual keys |
| 04:34.03 | Tem | I hate mining |
| 04:34.08 | Tem | I'm in one of its ruts |
| 04:34.15 | Tem | half the nodes in the zone are gray to me |
| 04:34.26 | Tem | if I move a zone up, half the nodes I can't mine yet |
| 04:34.40 | nobin | vista is the devil's child |
| 04:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: mining is one huge rut |
| 04:35.20 | Tem | it's not bad once you pass 300 |
| 04:35.23 | Tem | but until then... |
| 04:35.38 | NightHawkTheSane | true, i guess the only real rut is from 60->300 :p |
| 04:36.19 | Tem | D: |
| 04:38.07 | Otixa | Mmrh... |
| 04:38.18 | Otixa | cat /dev/fridge > grep food |
| 04:38.20 | Otixa | aka brb |
| 04:43.37 | nobin | ^ what else is in your fridge besides food |
| 04:43.51 | nobin | why must you grep food? |
| 04:44.05 | nobin | to keep from getting frozen babies? |
| 04:44.25 | Thunder_Child | mmmm...babies |
| 04:52.26 | MentalPower|ZZzz | theres also medicine in the fridge |
| 05:01.26 | Otixa | There's also drinks ;p |
| 05:01.38 | Otixa | And frozen baby feti |
| 05:03.29 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/926611821.html |
| 05:04.57 | WobWork | http://presurfer.blogspot.com/2008/12/if-star-wars-were-silent-movie.html |
| 05:05.09 | Otixa | lawd |
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| 05:09.33 | Amarande | so ... is all northrend instance loot as disappointing as nexus? |
| 05:11.32 | Otixa | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Bringing-Up-Baby.aspx |
| 05:13.34 | abyx | you wanna know some disappointing loot? 25 malygos. |
| 05:16.53 | WobWork | Amarande: certainly for a DK =( |
| 05:17.04 | WobWork | heroic loot looks much healthier |
| 05:17.32 | WobWork | Amarande: UK has a nice 2h axe though |
| 05:17.40 | WobWork | and OK has a nice chestpiece |
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| 05:19.40 | Lothaer | hey ZorbaTHut |
| 05:20.12 | Thunder_Child | "the ThinkLogical VelocityKVM can pipe two 1920 x 1200 DVI signals, USB 1.1, serial, PS2 and stereo audio up to 40 kilometers over single-mode fiber with no loss in quality" |
| 05:20.20 | Thunder_Child | because a 25-mile range KVM is what i always wanted |
| 05:20.36 | Otixa | Need! |
| 05:20.42 | kd3 | 40km!? what the hell |
| 05:21.44 | Amarande | well, loot-wise |
| 05:21.53 | Amarande | the problem I've noticed so far, at least with nexus |
| 05:22.02 | ZorbaTHut | yo |
| 05:22.10 | Shirik | Anyone here use something.... not firefoxy? |
| 05:22.14 | Amarande | is that you find what seems like a good piece of loot, you obtain it, then you realize the quests for the same instance give better stuff |
| 05:22.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, chrome just came out of beta |
| 05:22.45 | Shirik | orly? |
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| 05:22.52 | Thunder_Child | da |
| 05:22.59 | Shirik | fun |
| 05:23.03 | Shirik | I wonder if they fixed my mouse bug |
| 05:23.06 | Otixa | Shirik, socket_connect()? :D |
| 05:23.15 | Shirik | I need a renderer Otixa :P |
| 05:23.24 | Shirik | I need to see if what I did looks the same |
| 05:23.31 | Shirik | because it doesn't seem like it should be valid :) |
| 05:23.39 | Otixa | There was a really good site... |
| 05:23.44 | Otixa | ...Hold on |
| 05:24.54 | abyx | how long does project approval take on curse? my project is supposed to be "being reviewed any minute now" for the last hour.. heh |
| 05:26.54 | Otixa | Shirik, one is http://www.ipinfo.info/netrenderer/ |
| 05:26.54 | Thunder_Child | it takes as long as it takes |
| 05:27.05 | Otixa | But there's a better one. Just can't find it ;/ |
| 05:27.30 | Thunder_Child | isnt there a plugin for FF that can do it? |
| 05:28.13 | Otixa | There's IEtabs |
| 05:28.21 | Otixa | But it isn't as good |
| 05:28.33 | Thunder_Child | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6455 |
| 05:29.48 | Otixa | Found it! |
| 05:29.48 | Otixa | http://browsershots.org/ |
| 05:29.49 | Otixa | Best site ever |
| 05:30.48 | NightHawkTheSane | gmdave is my hero.. http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com/2008/12/are-you-f-kidding-me.html |
| 05:31.29 | kd3 | hell, he's still posting? |
| 05:31.58 | Amarande | so, we're skipping straight to 3.0.8 |
| 05:33.34 | Shirik | I guess the message we're trying to teach young people is that it's okay to get addicted to drugs, become an alcoholic, and get yourself a couple of STDs. |
| 05:33.34 | Shirik | Just as long as you don't have a level 80 Tauren Hunter. |
| 05:34.24 | Otixa | xD |
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| 05:35.24 | Shirik | There was an awesome exploit in a game I used to GM way-back-when |
| 05:35.39 | Shirik | The protocol for sending chat messages to the server was <some numerical code> Name:Message |
| 05:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | wtf? >.> http://resignedgamer.blogspot.com/2008/12/wild-arms-xf-scratch-n-sniff.html |
| 05:35.47 | NightHawkTheSane | those japanese are crazy |
| 05:35.51 | Shirik | It didn't validate "Name" so you could send any message you want |
| 05:36.06 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: often, too. |
| 05:36.16 | Shirik | At one point in time, someone decided to use race chat (a special chat for designated people to talk to the entire race on the server) saying [GM]Dave: Some random crap I don't remember |
| 05:36.19 | Shirik | it was pretty awesome |
| 05:36.26 | Shirik | unfortunately for him, it was also pretty traceable |
| 05:37.56 | Otixa | Hurhur |
| 05:38.11 | Otixa | Speaking of shitty protocol |
| 05:38.36 | Otixa | I was once nagged into writing a Knight Online server emu |
| 05:38.48 | Otixa | Out of spite, I did it in PHP >=] |
| 05:38.57 | Otixa | But more to the point... |
| 05:39.00 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: Have you ever seen Five Go Mad in Dorset? |
| 05:39.13 | Otixa | Turned out that once the logon server is done doing its stuff |
| 05:39.35 | Otixa | It tells tthe game server something like "AccountName logged in kk" and then redirects it |
| 05:39.44 | Otixa | Bricks were shat etc |
| 05:39.57 | Otixa | So you just create an account on the fake logonserver |
| 05:40.01 | Otixa | Like admin:1234 |
| 05:40.10 | Otixa | And log in, linking it to an actual game server |
| 05:40.16 | Otixa | And HUZZAH! yer an admin |
| 05:40.18 | Otixa | :/ |
| 05:40.30 | ZorbaTHut | man, gm dave needs to lay off the "enter" key |
| 05:41.19 | Shirik | that's pretty awesome, Otixa |
| 05:41.26 | Otixa | inorite :D |
| 05:41.57 | Otixa | Tho convertin hexed small eendian to deci in PHP was a pain |
| 05:44.42 | Shirik | OH! |
| 05:44.45 | Shirik | And then the best part |
| 05:44.55 | Shirik | Every week there was an election for the "race leader" (long story about how the game works) |
| 05:45.11 | Shirik | Everyone level 35 and up could vote on who the wanted, and top would win. Pretty straightforward |
| 05:45.27 | Shirik | Except it didn't validate votes - if you kept resending the packet for the vote, it kept tallying them up |
| 05:45.27 | Otixa | Waaaaaait... |
| 05:45.33 | Otixa | SCO? |
| 05:45.35 | Shirik | no, RFO |
| 05:45.45 | Otixa | Eh, same difference |
| 05:45.48 | Shirik | SCO? |
| 05:45.56 | Otixa | Space Cowboy Online, lol |
| 05:45.59 | Otixa | Epic bad name |
| 05:46.02 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:46.07 | Otixa | But the game itself is somewhat amusing |
| 05:46.10 | Shirik | Anyway, so after like 3 weeks they finally fixed that bug |
| 05:46.16 | Shirik | Within 30 minutes I found a new one |
| 05:46.28 | Otixa | I tricked the community into thinking there's an expansion coming xD |
| 05:46.29 | Shirik | it didn't bother to validate if you were actually lv 35 or not. So if you sent the packet on a new character, it went through |
| 05:46.38 | Shirik | Then you delete the character, make a new one, vote again |
| 05:46.39 | Otixa | Well, hax |
| 05:46.53 | Shirik | that game has since been closed down |
| 05:47.15 | Shirik | Naturally I didn't actually exploit it since I was kinda working for the company at the time, but still it was amusing to find all these holes |
| 05:47.49 | Otixa | It always is :> |
| 05:48.09 | Shirik | they kept a really close eye on my character :( |
| 05:48.31 | Shirik | it was always a pain whenever I had a problem with MY character because I had to go through 5 million hoops to get it fixed, even if I could do it with a few clicks |
| 05:48.59 | Otixa | :/ |
| 05:49.10 | Otixa | Right |
| 05:49.12 | Otixa | http://storage.frostnet.org/Dump/img_dump/sco/sco-original.jpg |
| 05:49.16 | Otixa | Original game |
| 05:49.21 | Otixa | Kinda okay, but boring |
| 05:49.31 | Shirik | Is that made by CCR? |
| 05:49.40 | Otixa | Dunno |
| 05:49.42 | Shirik | The graphics look almost exactly like RFO :) |
| 05:49.46 | Otixa | http://storage.frostnet.org/Dump/img_dump/sco/untitled.jpg |
| 05:49.50 | Otixa | OMG EXPANSION CAME |
| 05:49.51 | Shirik | except the fact that there's airplanes, etc. |
| 05:50.40 | Otixa | Hurhur :> |
| 05:50.44 | Otixa | Photoshoops <3 |
| 05:51.06 | ckknight | does anybody know the WoW logon servers for Korea and China? (US's is us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com) |
| 05:51.32 | Otixa | cn.* && ko.* ? |
| 05:53.40 | Otixa | Eh, bored |
| 05:53.49 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@124-168-131-200.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:54.04 | Shirik | rf online was really pretty though |
| 05:54.05 | Shirik | check this out |
| 05:54.24 | Shirik | too bad the publishers were crap |
| 05:54.39 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/70963394cd346588070ba3b9e1e9e223.jpg |
| 05:55.01 | Otixa | Eh, not bad I s'pose |
| 05:55.02 | Shirik | my weapon sucked, it didn't glow |
| 05:55.13 | Otixa | Looks kinda generic tho |
| 05:55.20 | Corrodias | awepons must glow |
| 05:55.25 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/88fbeefa01365faf0366b270656cacc9.jpg |
| 05:55.41 | Shirik | And then |
| 05:55.52 | Shirik | when you hit the right bugs |
| 05:55.52 | Shirik | the ENTIRE GAME could glow! |
| 05:55.52 | *** join/#wowuidev enagle|wow (n=Engale@75-138-217-090.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com) |
| 05:56.02 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@124-168-131-200.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:56.02 | Fisker- | just like your mom :D |
| 05:56.18 | Amarande | and now, in Northrend, you can have a weapon that glows without even having to buy an enchant! |
| 05:56.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-167-195-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 05:56.27 | Shirik | need to find it |
| 05:57.16 | Shirik | ah |
| 05:57.19 | Shirik | I named it "I see the light" |
| 05:57.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:57.39 | Shirik | oof, is bmp |
| 05:57.41 | Shirik | sorry in advance :( |
| 05:58.04 | Otixa | :C |
| 05:58.10 | Shirik | heh, it got rejected |
| 05:58.11 | Shirik | one sec |
| 05:58.17 | Otixa | SAFASFASFAGA |
| 05:58.24 | Otixa | Why is my CLI PHP failing? >:[ |
| 05:58.34 | Otixa | Can't get Toxi to init |
| 05:59.31 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d629eaaa1a9ce1cf190786a61e123b8f.png |
| 05:59.51 | Otixa | I'm no expert or anything... |
| 05:59.56 | Otixa | ...But I think you broke it XD |
| 06:00.03 | Shirik | oh it was very broken :) |
| 06:00.32 | Otixa | Right |
| 06:00.35 | Otixa | Pop quiz time! |
| 06:00.47 | Otixa | Why does PHP work through Apache, but not CLI? |
| 06:00.58 | Shirik | permissions |
| 06:01.07 | Otixa | It's Windoze |
| 06:01.29 | Shirik | I dunno about windows, but gentoo makes 2 installs for php |
| 06:01.32 | Shirik | one for apache and one for cli |
| 06:01.36 | Shirik | so |
| 06:01.39 | Otixa | Well, yeh |
| 06:01.45 | Otixa | That's how *nix usually works |
| 06:01.54 | Otixa | But windoze just has 1 bin that works for all |
| 06:02.05 | Shirik | (01:00:57) (@Shirik) permissions |
| 06:02.05 | Shirik | (01:01:05) (Otixa) It's Windoze |
| 06:02.06 | Otixa | Except it doesn't |
| 06:02.17 | Shirik | I like how the natural assumption is that "Windows shouldn't have permission problems. Ever." |
| 06:02.21 | Shirik | sadly I don't disagree |
| 06:02.36 | Otixa | No, Windoze doesn't have working permissions |
| 06:02.51 | Otixa | And it's not a perm issue anyway |
| 06:02.52 | Otixa | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: soap: Unable to initialize module |
| 06:02.52 | Otixa | Module compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 |
| 06:02.52 | Otixa | PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=1 |
| 06:03.08 | Otixa | Except PHP.ini isn't set to load SOAP |
| 06:03.08 | Shirik | is there anything in windows event viewer? |
| 06:03.25 | MentalPower | acls work just fine |
| 06:04.08 | Otixa | Nope, nothing in events |
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| 06:06.20 | Otixa | The annoyance level is OVER 9000 >;/ |
| 06:07.03 | Patrick_P | Damned huge brick to read this WoW programming book... lol |
| 06:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Told you it wasn't small |
| 06:08.16 | Otixa | What WoW programming book? :o |
| 06:08.25 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 06:08.38 | Otixa | Link! :D |
| 06:09.14 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-39-196.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:10.10 | Patrick_P | well I already read the 5 1st chapters... |
| 06:10.13 | Patrick_P | ? |
| 06:10.50 | Patrick_P | http://astore.amazon.com/worofwarproag-20/detail/0470229810/105-0720423-4475656 |
| 06:14.29 | Otixa | Thanks |
| 06:18.08 | ckknight | any Chinese or Korean players about? |
| 06:18.08 | Patrick_P | lua's a bit different from other languages i used before... c++, javascript, perl, php, action script.... |
| 06:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i forget, can you chain /use statements in a macro to cast whichever item you have in your inventory? |
| 06:18.25 | ckknight | Patrick_P: of your list, it's probably closest to Javascript |
| 06:19.49 | Patrick_P | yeah it seems really simple |
| 06:20.14 | ckknight | it's elegant in its simplicity |
| 06:20.27 | ckknight | but I still miss some nice things from python/ruby |
| 06:20.28 | ckknight | :-P |
| 06:20.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Toxia (n=Toxia3@87-126-143-97.btc-net.bg) |
| 06:20.31 | Otixa | \o/ |
| 06:20.40 | Otixa | Haz Toxi <3 |
| 06:21.04 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if 28 Days Later is a good indication of what the last days of Lordaeron were probably like, heh |
| 06:21.05 | ckknight | ? |
| 06:21.11 | ckknight | hehe, Amarande |
| 06:21.12 | Otixa | Problem was that PHP.ini was being loaded from a path it wasn't supposed to be loaded from :/ |
| 06:21.32 | Patrick_P | lol amarande |
| 06:23.20 | Patrick_P | python was giving me headache in my prog courses... i hate too much permissives languages... with c++ u don't have this problem... u have the right to do nothing.... lol |
| 06:24.57 | ckknight | hehe |
| 06:24.58 | Patrick_P | but python's much like lua tho.. |
| 06:25.00 | ckknight | you can do different things |
| 06:25.09 | ckknight | lua is more permissive, so you know |
| 06:25.13 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 06:25.21 | ckknight | python at least has an intended structure |
| 06:25.25 | ckknight | lua's like "here's some tables, go hog wild" |
| 06:25.34 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 06:25.35 | Shirik | amusingly, that's mostly true |
| 06:26.07 | Shirik | If you don't have tables, Lua's power diminishes drastically |
| 06:26.28 | Otixa | I like tables |
| 06:26.32 | Otixa | They're like PHP's arrays |
| 06:26.34 | Otixa | :> |
| 06:26.44 | Shirik | PHP's arrays aren't arrays and I hate them for calling it that |
| 06:26.52 | ckknight | I argee, Shirik |
| 06:26.53 | Otixa | Yeh well |
| 06:27.07 | ckknight | also, Otixa, lua's tables can have metatables which give them special properties |
| 06:27.10 | Shirik | that being said |
| 06:27.18 | Otixa | Huh? |
| 06:27.27 | Patrick_P | metatables? |
| 06:27.27 | Shirik | I'm using php right now and a bunch of "arrays" :) |
| 06:27.35 | Shirik | metatables are <3 |
| 06:27.39 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 06:27.39 | Shirik | That's what lets me do things like this |
| 06:27.43 | Otixa | What metatables? D: |
| 06:27.44 | Shirik | --> return false |
| 06:27.44 | batbot | Shirik: > false |
| 06:27.46 | Shirik | !! |
| 06:27.48 | Shirik | Damn you batrick |
| 06:28.14 | ckknight | lua> local fib = setmetatable({[0]=0,[1]=1}, {__call=function(self, key) return self[key] end, __index=function(self, key) local x = self[key-2] + self[key-1]; self[key] = x; return x end}); print(fib[10]) |
| 06:28.15 | lua_bot | ckknight: 55 |
| 06:28.20 | Shirik | --> a = true; setmetatable(a, {__tostring = function(v) if v then return ":)" else return ":(" end end}); |
| 06:28.20 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "a = true; setmetatable(a, {__tostring = fun..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'setmetatable' (table expected, got boolean) |
| 06:28.21 | ckknight | metatable fun |
| 06:28.25 | Otixa | PHP is still overly awesome |
| 06:28.31 | Otixa | Take Toxi for example |
| 06:28.32 | Shirik | --> a = true; debug.setmetatable(a, {__tostring = function(v) if v then return ":)" else return ":(" end end}); |
| 06:28.41 | Tekkub | lua> x = setmeatatable({}, {__index(t,i) return i*2 end}); x[3] |
| 06:28.41 | Shirik | --> return true; |
| 06:28.41 | batbot | Shirik: > :) |
| 06:28.41 | lua_bot | Tekkub: luabot:1: '}' expected near 'return' |
| 06:28.42 | Shirik | --> return false; |
| 06:28.42 | batbot | Shirik: > :( |
| 06:28.42 | ckknight | Otixa: PHP is _not_ awesome |
| 06:28.43 | Otixa | Toxi is in MySQL |
| 06:28.43 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:28.44 | Otixa | It is |
| 06:28.47 | Tekkub | lua> x = setmeatatable({}, {__index = function(t,i) return i*2 end}); x[3] |
| 06:28.48 | lua_bot | Tekkub: luabot:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 06:28.54 | ckknight | Otixa: it lacks namespaces. |
| 06:28.55 | Tekkub | lua> fuck you |
| 06:28.56 | lua_bot | Tekkub: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'you' |
| 06:28.59 | Otixa | Toxi's core is a file, the rest is loaded from MySQL with create_function() |
| 06:29.00 | Otixa | \o/ |
| 06:29.07 | Patrick_P | well... i'm lost... lawl |
| 06:29.10 | Tekkub | lua> x = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,i) return i*2 end}); x[3] |
| 06:29.11 | lua_bot | Tekkub: luabot:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 06:29.13 | Otixa | ckknight, it doesn't. They're added in the alpha |
| 06:29.14 | ckknight | Patrick_P: *thumbs up* |
| 06:29.23 | Tekkub | lua> x = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,i) return i*2 end}); print(x[3]) |
| 06:29.24 | lua_bot | Tekkub: 6 |
| 06:29.25 | Shirik | Patrick_P: Metatables are a complex topic |
| 06:29.31 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.32 | Shirik | but they'll kinda just hit you one day and be like "omg that's so easy" |
| 06:29.34 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.43 | ckknight | Otixa: yea, 6.0 has em, they're still funky, though, and due to the legacy code that didn't use em, there's a lot of pollution |
| 06:29.45 | ckknight | Otixa: nevermind the stdlib's overall inconsistency |
| 06:29.49 | Shirik | and then you'll be like "omg this mkaes things so easy" |
| 06:29.54 | Shirik | For example |
| 06:29.56 | Shirik | something like |
| 06:30.16 | Shirik | class "Foo" { a = 1; b = function() blah blah }; bar = new "Foo" |
| 06:30.16 | Tekkub | memoizing metatables >>>>> all |
| 06:30.17 | ckknight | Otixa: I code python websites for a living, btw |
| 06:30.20 | Shirik | becomes possible with metatables |
| 06:30.27 | Shirik | ^ valid Lua code, btw |
| 06:30.36 | Otixa | Python is made of voodoo and duct tape :c |
| 06:30.39 | ckknight | Shirik, your class syntax wouldn't work |
| 06:30.43 | Shirik | Sure it would |
| 06:30.45 | ckknight | you'd need parens and a comma |
| 06:30.48 | Shirik | negative |
| 06:30.52 | ckknight | oh? |
| 06:30.53 | Tekkub | and an end |
| 06:30.57 | Shirik | the end I forgot, yes |
| 06:31.08 | Shirik | foo{ ... } is the same as foo({...}) |
| 06:31.18 | ckknight | lua> function class(...) print(...) end; class "Foo" { } |
| 06:31.19 | lua_bot | ckknight: Foo, luabot:1: attempt to call a nil value |
| 06:31.19 | Patrick_P | there's classes in lua? |
| 06:31.21 | Shirik | lua> return {1;2;3} |
| 06:31.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x80980c8 |
| 06:31.25 | Patrick_P | or objects |
| 06:31.26 | Shirik | and semicolons are also valid |
| 06:31.30 | ckknight | Patrick_P: tables with metatables. |
| 06:31.31 | Shirik | Patrick_P: There can be with metatables :) |
| 06:31.41 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 06:32.12 | Otixa | ~die |
| 06:32.12 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 06:32.12 | Toxia | ...There really was a caaaAaaAaakeeeee... |
| 06:32.18 | Tekkub | there's not much point to objects though |
| 06:32.36 | Shirik | Shiibot is written with objects! |
| 06:32.38 | Tekkub | objects/classes/whatever |
| 06:32.39 | ckknight | lua> function class(name) return function(definition) return "made class " .. name .. " with definition " .. tostring(definition) end end; class "Foo" {} |
| 06:32.40 | lua_bot | ckknight: No output |
| 06:32.44 | Shirik | All of its AI modules are objects that you register :D |
| 06:32.44 | ckknight | wtf, oh |
| 06:32.46 | Tekkub | and Shiibot blows |
| 06:32.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:33.01 | Shirik | !quote #wowuidev KICK #wowuidev Tekkub |
| 06:33.02 | batbot | Shirik, #wowuidev has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 06:33.05 | Shirik | er |
| 06:33.09 | Tekkub | all that effort to try to stop that spammer and it didn't work :P |
| 06:33.14 | ckknight | lua> function class(name) return function(definition) print ("made class " .. name .. " with definition " .. tostring(definition)) end end; class "Foo" {} |
| 06:33.15 | lua_bot | ckknight: made class Foo with definition table: 0x8098150 |
| 06:33.19 | Shirik | !quote KICK #wowuidev Tekkub |
| 06:33.19 | batbot | Shirik, kick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 06:33.20 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Tekkub!n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam] by Shiibot (Shiibot) |
| 06:33.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 06:33.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 06:33.26 | Shirik | It worked Tekkub |
| 06:33.27 | Tekkub | see? |
| 06:33.34 | Tekkub | it only took you like two tries |
| 06:33.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:33.41 | Tekkub | proof |
| 06:33.42 | Shirik | The spammer it worked! |
| 06:33.51 | Shirik | And obviously he gave up |
| 06:33.54 | Shirik | so I declare victory |
| 06:34.01 | Tekkub | oh yes *obviously* |
| 06:34.06 | Fisker- | i love you Shirik |
| 06:34.31 | Shirik | And now he exists only to torment you |
| 06:34.49 | Shirik | his log file is, however, getting a bit too long :/ |
| 06:34.58 | Fisker- | that's what she said about my log |
| 06:35.23 | Tekkub | we don't care about your scat play with your imaginary GF Fisker- |
| 06:35.34 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 06:35.44 | Fisker- | i forgot logs were more commonly referred to as shit rather than dicks |
| 06:35.45 | Fisker- | :E |
| 06:35.49 | Fisker- | FUFUFUFUFUFUF Tekkub |
| 06:35.55 | Fisker- | bai |
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| 06:36.25 | Patrick_P | there should be an irc server in wow so i could play and have an eye on this channel all day long... lol |
| 06:36.45 | Patrick_P | irc client* |
| 06:36.50 | Tekkub | uh... I'm 99% certain there is an IRC server in wow... |
| 06:37.20 | Shirik | I think he meant client |
| 06:37.31 | Tekkub | chat is amazingly similar to IRC, and it doesn't go down with the rest of the server |
| 06:37.36 | Tekkub | there's a client too! |
| 06:37.40 | Tekkub | in the game client! |
| 06:37.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: we just need services, now. ;) |
| 06:37.49 | Shirik | not one that can connect to freenode! |
| 06:38.07 | Tekkub | so that doesn't make it not an IRC client :) |
| 06:38.12 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 06:38.13 | Shirik | Does it have netsplits too? |
| 06:38.24 | Tekkub | sure, that's loot lag |
| 06:38.24 | Shirik | Like you could have one server on each continent |
| 06:38.49 | Tekkub | I wager it's one server per faction, honestly |
| 06:38.54 | Shirik | and then every time a continent goes down, you get a netsplit |
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| 06:39.06 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 06:39.08 | Otixa | Fix'd :> |
| 06:39.18 | Tekkub | that wouldn't work tho Shirik |
| 06:39.22 | Otixa | Haz eval now :> |
| 06:39.26 | Tekkub | the users on that continent would disco first |
| 06:39.33 | Tekkub | so you'd never see them netsplit |
| 06:39.46 | Shirik | but if the server's on that continent |
| 06:39.51 | Shirik | then the server doesn't gracefully disconnect from the others |
| 06:39.56 | Shirik | and they all go down at once so |
| 06:39.59 | Shirik | it's like "boom" |
| 06:40.14 | Tekkub | except the chat server is a lot more stable than the world server |
| 06:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 06:40.28 | Tekkub | how often has the world shit itself but chat still works fine |
| 06:40.30 | Shirik | But how are you going to be online if you're not in the world? |
| 06:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | there's plenty of times when chat is still working, but the server's dying a horrible death |
| 06:40.56 | Tekkub | ask all those crashes in the past how they worked? |
| 06:41.03 | Shirik | I've never seen one :/ |
| 06:41.11 | Shirik | in any case! What's the point of IRC in wow? |
| 06:41.20 | Shirik | we have chatrooms |
| 06:41.24 | Otixa | It'd be convenient D: |
| 06:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | I'd love a few standardized global chat channels |
| 06:41.26 | ckknight | chatting while grinding? |
| 06:41.29 | Tekkub | *shrug* just saying I bet wow's chat is just IRC |
| 06:41.40 | Otixa | IRC > WoW chat :/ |
| 06:41.44 | Shirik | we do have standardized global chat channels |
| 06:41.48 | Shirik | [1. General] |
| 06:41.52 | Shirik | [2. Anal] |
| 06:41.58 | Shirik | etc. |
| 06:42.02 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, no, we have standardized per-zone chat channels, and a single standardized chat chanel across all capital cities |
| 06:42.08 | Shirik | ah good point |
| 06:42.15 | ZorbaTHut | none global, and the capital-city one is theoretically not for chatting |
| 06:42.17 | ZorbaTHut | (not that anyone really cares) |
| 06:42.18 | Otixa | Used to be so you could talk in WorldDefense if yer grand marshal |
| 06:42.32 | Tekkub | all custom channels are global |
| 06:42.40 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, but not standardized :) |
| 06:42.55 | ZorbaTHut | effectively nobody's gonna join it if it's not built-in. |
| 06:43.08 | Tekkub | you tried NOtgeneral? I've seen that on a few servers |
| 06:43.29 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't, but considering that I've never heard it mentioned, I doubt it'll work |
| 06:44.19 | Tekkub | it works |
| 06:44.25 | Tekkub | you just might be alone |
| 06:44.27 | ZorbaTHut | no, I mean, I doubt anyone will be there :P |
| 06:44.45 | ZorbaTHut | it will fail with regards to my goal of "chatting with people" |
| 06:45.29 | Patrick_P | lawl they took the name Alice Applebaum for their exemples in the book... Apple-bum yeah... |
| 06:45.53 | ckknight | Patrick_P: I've known some Applebaums. |
| 06:46.10 | ckknight | you shouldn't make fun of people's names |
| 06:46.27 | Patrick_P | omg... i'm sorry.... |
| 06:46.33 | Patrick_P | nah never:P |
| 06:46.54 | Tekkub | such an idealist |
| 06:46.58 | Tekkub | gag me with spoon |
| 06:52.25 | Patrick_P | so... if i do a table this way: alice = () ; alice["name"] = "alice"; is alice["name"] indexed? so i can access it with something like alice[0] too? |
| 06:53.44 | Shirik | no |
| 06:53.55 | Shirik | you can access it with alice["name"] and alice.name |
| 06:54.00 | Patrick_P | k |
| 06:54.06 | Shirik | and alice[ [[name]] ] |
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| 06:54.32 | Shirik | and alice ['name'] and alice[ [=[name]=] ] and alice [ [===============[name]===============] ] |
| 06:55.56 | Shirik | WOW |
| 06:55.57 | Shirik | epic fail |
| 06:55.58 | Patrick_P | and can i index it with a number like alice[0] = "hername"; i=0; variable = alice[i] ...? |
| 06:56.22 | Shirik | Yes you can |
| 06:56.28 | Shirik | However, your arrays should start at 1, not 0 |
| 06:56.47 | Shirik | epic failure due to typing too fast: http://wowi.pastey.net/104227 |
| 06:56.48 | Thunder_Child | ~8ball |
| 06:56.49 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Without a doubt |
| 06:57.02 | Thunder_Child | looks like i am installing the SP2 Beta then |
| 06:58.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: thats why i aliased `l` to my favorite ls options |
| 06:59.12 | Shirik | problem is if I hit enter before s, then I get error on l, and s goes to next line and it waits |
| 06:59.23 | Shirik | then either I hit enter (error), or I type ls (which makes sls, error) |
| 06:59.42 | Shirik | and if I do this repeatedly, you can get some fun errors, like "sl" |
| 07:04.47 | NightHawkTheSane | hence, why i aliased "l" |
| 07:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i only have to type one character, it's hard to fuck that up |
| 07:05.09 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 07:05.16 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, hard for everyone but Thunder_Child to fuck that up |
| 07:06.14 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 07:06.52 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:06.59 | Amarande | something I've always wondered, and never sure of |
| 07:07.08 | Amarande | do players have a very slightly larger aggro radius than NPCs/pets of the same level? |
| 07:07.43 | NightHawkTheSane | agro radius for nps is essentially arbitrary |
| 07:08.20 | Tekkub | arbitrary? |
| 07:08.31 | NightHawkTheSane | npcs* |
| 07:08.32 | Amarande | ok, then |
| 07:08.38 | Amarande | does one's pet have a slightly smaller aggro radius than oneself? |
| 07:08.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: i have no doubt that if they wanted to, they could make an npc with any agro range they wanted |
| 07:09.03 | Tekkub | they could do that to players too... they are the ones that program it |
| 07:09.11 | Tekkub | so, uh, what's your point? |
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| 07:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, true |
| 07:10.07 | NightHawkTheSane | the point is, agro radius is arbitrary :p |
| 07:10.35 | Tekkub | that don't answer the question tho! |
| 07:11.18 | Tekkub | Amarande, I think they're the same, players just get a higher "aggro priority" |
| 07:11.38 | Tekkub | example: do an escort at the level it's designed for, spawns aggro you |
| 07:11.53 | Tekkub | do it well above leve, spawns aggro the NPC |
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| 07:20.23 | Shirik | Dolby got ownded |
| 07:22.16 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i wonder how a ddos attack would work on Shiibot |
| 07:22.16 | Amarande | hrm |
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| 07:22.29 | Amarande | how in the hell does auctioneer have auction data on soulbound quest rewards |
| 07:22.42 | Jamash | auctioneer is a filthy liar |
| 07:22.50 | Jamash | I get that too |
| 07:24.01 | Shirik | ~kill Jamash |
| 07:24.02 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged fluxpositrino gun at Jamash |
| 07:24.08 | Jamash | what! |
| 07:24.17 | Shirik | Amarande: Can you point out where you're seeing this? |
| 07:25.24 | Amarande | Shirik: when I moused over Activist's Signet of Blasting on my warlock's equipment, for instance |
| 07:25.34 | Amarande | it told me it had seen 3 at an average of 70g or so |
| 07:25.45 | Shirik | Can you do me a favor and install a module and then do something for me? |
| 07:25.49 | Shirik | or do you not have time |
| 07:25.57 | Amarande | I'm probably going to bed in a short bit |
| 07:26.01 | Shirik | well, first, /auc version |
| 07:26.02 | Shirik | er |
| 07:26.04 | Shirik | do /auc about |
| 07:26.25 | Amarande | Auctioneer Advanced rev.3708 loaded |
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| 07:26.52 | Shirik | I wonder what the latest release is |
| 07:26.54 | Shirik | you're 200 behind me |
| 07:27.25 | Amarande | yeah, I should update anyway |
| 07:27.25 | Codayus_ | Hmm, just checked, Auctioneer thinks I've seen Activist's Signet of Blasting twice...average of 82g. |
| 07:27.43 | Shirik | do you know the item ID of that item by any chance? |
| 07:27.43 | Amarande | I don't even get price tooltips for Northrend quest reward items |
| 07:28.08 | Amarande | 38250 |
| 07:28.21 | Amarande | it's a reward from the last DEHTA quest in Borean |
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| 07:28.40 | Amarande | the one my quest log kindly labeled "72G3" for some crazy reason |
| 07:29.17 | Jamash | level 72, group, 3 man? |
| 07:29.24 | Amarande | Jamash: yeah. |
| 07:29.29 | Shirik | Can you do me a favor, Amarande? |
| 07:29.31 | Amarande | for most classes, it's only a moderately challenging solo if that |
| 07:29.38 | Shirik | Open up a JIRA ticket for that item and assign it to me? |
| 07:29.40 | Amarande | I see no reason why anyone would EVER need more than two, certainly |
| 07:29.47 | Amarande | JIRA? |
| 07:29.53 | Shirik | I can't see what's special about that item, but given that two of you have the same problem, something's up |
| 07:29.57 | Shirik | http://jira.norganna.org |
| 07:30.18 | Amarande | Shirik: it's not the only one, either |
| 07:30.27 | Shirik | any examples you have would be awesome :) |
| 07:30.31 | Shirik | I just can't get to it tonight |
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| 07:32.09 | Otixa | ...Boredom level is critical :c |
| 07:32.17 | Amarande | Devil-Stitched Leggings, Flame Hardened Waistband, Transborean Bracers, Tower of the Infinite Mind, Branch of Everlasting Flame, Mantle of Keristrasza, and Shoulders of the Northern Lights all do it too |
| 07:32.28 | Amarande | DSL is from a boss in Bot, the others are all quest rewards -> ergo they're all BoP |
| 07:32.32 | Otixa | I just made a song called "Draenei shammy" :/ |
| 07:32.44 | Amarande | Otixa: next write "Addicted to WoW" and "Tainted Ooze" |
| 07:32.51 | Otixa | :| |
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| 07:33.14 | Amarande | Oh, yeah, and "On the first day of Christmas, the Lich King gave to me ..." |
| 07:33.14 | Otixa | The scariest thing is that it's somewhat good ;c |
| 07:34.29 | Otixa | WE'RE MC RAIDERS |
| 07:34.37 | Otixa | WE AIN'T GOT NO LIFE |
| 07:34.40 | Otixa | Nananana |
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| 07:36.50 | Amarande | anyway, I'm still trying to figure out why Harold Lane would be G3, it's G2 -at most- for the few classes that would go squish |
| 07:38.51 | Otixa | A whatnow? |
| 07:42.13 | Amarande | it's a Borean Tundra quest |
| 07:42.35 | Otixa | Borean is boring :< |
| 07:44.55 | Amarande | Otixa: c'mon now, there's nothing boring about Borean! :) |
| 07:45.03 | Amarande | thirteen more quests to go, I believe ... |
| 07:45.04 | Otixa | Hurhur |
| 07:45.41 | Otixa | Hmm... |
| 07:48.48 | Otixa | ~eval global $handler;$handler->functions['test123'] = create_function('','echo(\'test\',"\r\n");'); |
| 07:49.01 | Otixa | <_< |
| 07:49.02 | Otixa | >_> |
| 07:49.43 | Otixa | What. |
| 07:49.50 | Jamash | did you kill the bot? |
| 07:49.54 | Amarande | Drain Mana: Now drains a percentage of maximum mana |
| 07:49.55 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:49.56 | Otixa | "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ',' in ..." |
| 07:49.57 | Otixa | :/ |
| 07:49.58 | Amarande | is this going to be a boost or a nerf? |
| 07:50.12 | Otixa | Amarande, both, I think |
| 07:50.21 | Amarande | it doesn't say what the percentages are going to be per rank |
| 07:50.24 | Shirik | It certainly will make it more predictable |
| 07:50.30 | Amarande | Otixa: when fighting level-appropriate mobs, anyway |
| 07:50.38 | Otixa | Yus |
| 07:50.42 | Otixa | Epic good for raids |
| 07:50.50 | Otixa | Might be a nerf in normal PvE |
| 07:51.00 | Amarande | Wonder if raid bosses will have to be made immune to drain mana now |
| 07:51.10 | Otixa | Let's hope not >=] |
| 07:51.18 | Amarande | otherwise, life tap just got obsoleted, one tick of DM and you've probably refilled your mana pool, knowing what raid bosses have :S |
| 07:51.45 | Otixa | ~eval global $handler;$handler->functions['test123'] = create_function('','echo("test");'); |
| 07:51.53 | Amarande | I still wish they'd change that one quest in Hinterlands to require the original amount of stealth wolves again |
| 07:51.55 | Otixa | ~test123 |
| 07:51.56 | purl | Testing... 1... 2... 3... |
| 07:52.07 | Otixa | Not you D:< |
| 07:52.12 | Amarande | I forget what it's called. But there was one quest to kill the highest level Hinterlands owlbeasts, and one to kill the stealth wolves |
| 07:52.28 | Amarande | and they made the wolf one easier, which ends up making the owlbeast one a total PITA as a direct result |
| 07:52.56 | Amarande | Basically, the problem is you need now to kill several more owlbeasts than you do stealth wolves |
| 07:52.59 | Amarande | And the two share spawn spots. |
| 07:53.02 | Amarande | So you can imagine what happens. |
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| 07:53.09 | Otixa | Also, I don't think the command handler is in eval's scope :/ |
| 07:53.27 | Otixa | Toxi |
| 07:53.27 | Toxia | Yes, Master? |
| 07:53.30 | Otixa | You suck. |
| 07:53.43 | Otixa | I'm gonna rewrite your ass >:[ |
| 07:54.10 | Otixa | Needs better AI module :/ |
| 07:54.18 | Otixa | Should have went Q_Q |
| 07:54.21 | ZorbaTHut | the whole concept of sharing spawn points needs to be tweaked |
| 07:54.33 | ZorbaTHut | they should start weighting spawn frequencies if it starts getting offbalanced |
| 07:54.39 | Otixa | The whole concept of grinding boring stuff needs to be reworked |
| 07:54.45 | ZorbaTHut | it's *so* not an intuitive or obvious mechanic |
| 07:55.06 | Otixa | GO KILL 200 BOARS |
| 07:55.16 | Otixa | And bring me some Red Snappa while yer at it |
| 07:55.43 | ZorbaTHut | I really want to make an MMORPG with "Go fetch me 17 thousand bear butts" as a quest |
| 07:55.50 | ZorbaTHut | and then make some gimmick that makes it extremely easy |
| 07:55.51 | Otixa | XD |
| 07:55.56 | Amarande | "Gifts and Pledges of Adoration for the capital cities are now soulbound." |
| 07:55.58 | Otixa | And only 1/100 bears has a butt |
| 07:56.02 | Amarande | they're fixing love is in the air *now*? lol |
| 07:56.03 | ZorbaTHut | like a bear butt convoy that *just happens to be traveling through* |
| 07:56.19 | Amarande | of course, like I'm going to be able to care about that event till 2010 ... lol |
| 07:56.20 | ZorbaTHut | you kill three bears, collect their butts, and a giant cart *filled with bear butts* spawns next to you |
| 07:56.27 | ZorbaTHut | (with exactly 16,997 bear butts in it) |
| 07:56.28 | Otixa | \o/ |
| 07:56.29 | Amarande | I won't be getting a violet protodrake till 2010, period |
| 07:56.36 | Otixa | That would be epic |
| 07:56.42 | Amarande | Zorba: well, then they need to tweak hinterlands a bit, which sadly they probably won't. :| |
| 07:56.59 | Otixa | When are they gonna tweak rogues? >;/ |
| 07:57.01 | Amarande | the problem is that because the one quest needs 2x as many owlbeasts as stealth wolves |
| 07:57.15 | Amarande | Otixa: rogues are fine, I've killed plenty of rogues in AV |
| 07:57.21 | Otixa | >;/ |
| 07:57.25 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, they don't really need to tweak hinterlands, just the shared-spawn mechanic |
| 07:57.29 | Amarande | and that's with a warlock |
| 07:57.34 | Amarande | which are supposed to suck in av :S |
| 07:57.37 | Amarande | and pvp in general :S |
| 07:57.42 | ZorbaTHut | every time you're going to spawn at a shared point, check how many of each critter exist in the world |
| 07:57.47 | ZorbaTHut | weight it proportionally backwards |
| 07:57.49 | Otixa | My main is a rogue yanno :< |
| 07:57.57 | Amarande | as for my lack of proto drakeage till 2010 |
| 07:58.07 | Amarande | well, that comes of being on vacation from Feb 12-17 and the event is Feb 11-16. LOL |
| 07:58.22 | Otixa | No drake for you |
| 07:59.30 | Otixa | Toxi needs an error handler that actually works :/ |
| 08:00.03 | Otixa | ...Mmmh... Grind more tigers... |
| 08:00.14 | Otixa | The urge! IT COMPELS ME! |
| 08:03.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:04.03 | Amarande | such confidence on Blizzard's part: |
| 08:04.11 | Amarande | "Engineers *may* now be able to properly engineer Centrifuge Constructs." |
| 08:04.51 | Amarande | "We don't know if we actually fixed this but we might have!" |
| 08:07.31 | ZorbaTHut | that might be more of a lack of confidence on engineer's skills. I mean . . . engineering. :) |
| 08:07.33 | Amarande | Night folks |
| 08:10.45 | Otixa | Hmm... |
| 08:13.12 | Otixa | <_< |
| 08:13.14 | Otixa | >_> |
| 08:13.18 | Otixa | I didn't break it! |
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| 08:33.15 | iewnait | hi, anyone know if there are any api that allows you to grab messages from a channel? |
| 08:35.43 | Otixa | Uhh... Chat message event <_< |
| 08:38.52 | iewnait | as in grabbing a message that someone said in any channel? |
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| 08:42.29 | zenzio | "As of now, the mount seems to be the smallest of all the bear mounts." -- "ofcourse it does, else it wouldnt fit in a bag" lol |
| 08:42.44 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:42.50 | ReAn | cept... |
| 08:42.55 | ReAn | mounts aren't in our bags anymore |
| 08:43.07 | Adys | fail ean |
| 08:43.09 | Adys | rean |
| 08:43.24 | Adys | he's talking about the white bear which is given in a hyldnir spoils bag |
| 08:43.25 | ReAn | ? |
| 08:43.39 | zenzio | Adys is correct |
| 08:43.41 | ReAn | *shrug* |
| 08:43.47 | zenzio | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43962#comments |
| 08:43.50 | ReAn | im not even 80 yet, i don't know these things |
| 08:45.09 | Kalroth | noobcake |
| 08:45.13 | ReAn | *shrug* |
| 08:45.23 | Kalroth | No shrugging! |
| 08:45.26 | ReAn | girlfriend and finals keep me away from wow'ing |
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| 08:50.12 | Corrodias | http://www.slipperybrick.com/2008/12/scientists-extract-images-directly-from-the-brain/ |
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| 09:02.05 | Shirik | NICE! |
| 09:02.07 | Shirik | I broke php.net |
| 09:02.39 | Shirik | http://us3.php.net/results.php?q=%3C%3C%3C&l=en&p=all |
| 09:04.50 | Corrodias | silly php pages |
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| 09:12.30 | Dolby | haha nice Shiibot |
| 09:12.35 | Dolby | Shirik too |
| 09:12.37 | Dolby | damn tab |
| 09:13.00 | Shirik | PHP is making me mad :( |
| 09:13.09 | Shirik | What I want to do is in PHP 5.3, but Gentoo only has 5.2.7 |
| 09:13.16 | zenzio | so upgrade |
| 09:13.30 | Shirik | I'm not sure I want to do something that invasive without having an automated process |
| 09:13.33 | zenzio | I thought you Gentoo freaks just emerged things all over |
| 09:13.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:13.42 | Shirik | but they only have 5.2.7 on portage |
| 09:13.56 | zenzio | 5.3 should be relatively safe I thought |
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| 09:14.06 | Shirik | but it's not on portage :P |
| 09:14.29 | Shirik | And it specifically says on PHP's site "Heredocs can not be used for initializing class members. Use nowdocs instead. " |
| 09:14.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:15.03 | zenzio | so don't use heredocs then :-p |
| 09:15.15 | zenzio | at least you don't have to stick to PHP4 |
| 09:15.17 | Shirik | nowdocs are only supported in 5.3 |
| 09:15.24 | Shirik | And this is a huge amount of text |
| 09:16.58 | zenzio | why do you want to place such a huge piece of text in the file in the first place? Put it in an include or something |
| 09:18.01 | Adys | so I'm looking at some source files from an old project |
| 09:18.15 | Adys | theres basically one comment per line |
| 09:18.27 | Adys | #include <windows.h>  // Header File For Windows |
| 09:18.36 | Adys | DeleteObject(font); // Delete The Font |
| 09:18.54 | Adys | fontName, // The Font Name |
| 09:18.55 | Mikk | haha |
| 09:19.05 | zenzio | at least they can say the project is "well documented" |
| 09:19.09 | Shirik | night all |
| 09:19.15 | Adys | good night Shirik|zZz |
| 09:19.19 | Mikk | not really, there's so much stupid commentary that the useful ones disappear |
| 09:19.43 | Kalroth | Maybe the programmer is paid per character typed |
| 09:19.47 | Shirik|zZz | I have taken points off from my students for having pointless or too many comments, before |
| 09:19.52 | Shirik|zZz | things like |
| 09:19.53 | Adys | thats some file to render fonts |
| 09:19.55 | Adys | however |
| 09:20.01 | Adys | the core files: not a single comment |
| 09:20.03 | Shirik|zZz | if (condition) // if statement |
| 09:20.08 | Mikk | n=n+1 // increase n by 1 |
| 09:20.08 | Shirik|zZz | while(condition) // loop |
| 09:20.08 | Kalroth | haha Shirik |
| 09:20.13 | Kalroth | best is |
| 09:20.25 | zenzio | I've considered writing my comments as limmericks |
| 09:20.27 | Kalroth | i = 22 // variable assignment |
| 09:20.33 | Dolby | lol |
| 09:20.33 | Shirik|zZz | Haven't quite seen that |
| 09:20.35 | Shirik|zZz | though I have seen |
| 09:20.39 | Shirik|zZz | i = 22 // Sets i to 22 |
| 09:20.42 | Shirik|zZz | ... yes, thanks |
| 09:20.43 | Kalroth | lol |
| 09:20.43 | Mikk | i'm seldom interested in the "how" in comments. that's already there and readable. |
| 09:20.46 | Mikk | i want "why" and "when" |
| 09:20.51 | Shirik|zZz | Exactly, Mikk |
| 09:21.03 | Kalroth | I rarely comment single lines, I prefer function headers |
| 09:21.04 | Shirik|zZz | Let me see if I can find example code :D |
| 09:21.08 | krka | the problem is really when you start seeing stuff like i = 42 // Sets i to 22 |
| 09:21.10 | Adys | google code search time |
| 09:21.27 | Kalroth | 1-3 lines describing the function - if I have to comment code lines then it's probably too complicated |
| 09:21.41 | Kalroth | krka: through in some magic values! |
| 09:21.46 | Kalroth | and operator overrides |
| 09:22.15 | Adys | http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=%22why+doesn%27t+this+work%22&hl=en&btnG=Search+Code |
| 09:22.16 | Adys | http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=%22IE+sucks%22&sbtn=Search |
| 09:22.17 | Shirik|zZz | http://wowi.pastey.net/104235 <-- written during a raid, please don't blame me for any baddiness |
| 09:22.25 | Shirik|zZz | however, imo that's what comments should be like |
| 09:22.57 | Kalroth | mmm, almost! |
| 09:23.14 | Shirik|zZz | actually, this is kinda bad |
| 09:24.02 | Kalroth | well you're a terrible programmer, but it'll eventually come to you with more experience |
| 09:24.10 | Kalroth | but at least the comments are good! |
| 09:24.25 | Shirik|zZz | here we go, Conspiracy |
| 09:24.27 | Adys | comment out all your code |
| 09:24.35 | Adys | and it's a great piece of work ! |
| 09:24.44 | Shirik|zZz | Now THIS |
| 09:24.47 | Shirik|zZz | THIS is documentation |
| 09:24.53 | Shirik|zZz | This is only better than the time I made an ASCII art comment |
| 09:24.54 | Kalroth | All of Shiriks code should start with --[[ |
| 09:25.00 | Shirik|zZz | This is only better by* |
| 09:25.01 | Shirik|zZz | http://wowi.pastey.net/104236 |
| 09:25.34 | Kalroth | Did you guys see the dailywtf with the sql select that renders an ascii fractal in the result set? |
| 09:25.45 | Adys | no. |
| 09:25.54 | Kalroth | usux |
| 09:26.28 | Kalroth | Shirik|zZz: Yup, exactly. That last paste is pretty much how I comment (when I comment!) my shit :) |
| 09:26.57 | Shirik|zZz | Honestly, this isn't very goo |
| 09:26.57 | Shirik|zZz | d |
| 09:27.04 | Shirik|zZz | all my good examples are on my laptop which I can't get to |
| 09:27.05 | Kalroth | Although if I'm working on stuff that I don't feel "safe" around, I add a lot more comments |
| 09:27.11 | Shirik|zZz | My good examples are in C++ stuff |
| 09:27.19 | Shirik|zZz | I don't comment my fun stuff though |
| 09:27.21 | Kalroth | Well duh, C++ needs a ton of comments |
| 09:27.23 | Shirik|zZz | like the time I made my ^_^ operator |
| 09:27.41 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.43 | Shirik|zZz | ^_^ is the "assert false" operator |
| 09:27.57 | Shirik|zZz | foo ^_^ 0; is the same as assert(foo != 0) |
| 09:28.16 | Kalroth | // Here I override the + operator because I needed to optimize the way the compiler accesses the stack on additative code! |
| 09:28.36 | Shirik|zZz | ok for real night |
| 09:29.29 | Kalroth | Adys: http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Stupid-Coding-Tricks-The-TSQL-Madlebrot.aspx |
| 09:31.27 | zenzio | that is so awesome |
| 09:32.07 | krka | pretty |
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| 09:41.59 | Adys | lol |
| 09:43.00 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* scopes bigger than the gun itself kinda pisses me off |
| 09:43.38 | krka | that's what SHE said. |
| 09:44.10 | Thunder_Child | no, she didnt mind a huge scope on a handgun |
| 09:46.21 | Thunder_Child | or a fucking .22 handgun with a bipod |
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| 10:15.57 | nevcairiel | Hm anyone got a EU downloader for the PTR yet? |
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| 10:18.47 | Olorin | morning all |
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| 10:38.49 | Adys | nevcairiel: theres one on wirebrain |
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| 11:50.57 | Cidan | Is there a quick way to switch a variable from false to true in Lua? ie, in C you can do var = !var |
| 11:51.05 | Cidan | or vice versa, for that matter |
| 11:52.00 | Mikk | var = not var |
| 11:52.42 | Mikk | lua> not false |
| 11:52.42 | lua_bot | Mikk: true |
| 11:52.58 | Mikk | lua> not not 1 |
| 11:52.58 | lua_bot | Mikk: true |
| 11:53.54 | Cidan | yeah |
| 11:53.55 | Cidan | just did it |
| 11:53.57 | Cidan | stupid question |
| 11:54.00 | Cidan | tired, 7 AM |
| 11:54.15 | cladhaire | =) |
| 11:55.27 | mikma | damnit :I Night of the Dead also Also reduces the damage your pet takes from area of effect attacks by 40/70%. |
| 11:59.19 | mikma | The white Polar Bear mount is now the proper (larger) size. |
| 11:59.21 | mikma | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 12:04.34 | Olorin | playing a tauren mikma? |
| 12:06.38 | mikma | Gnome |
| 12:07.25 | Olorin | ah well at least small character anyway, taurens so damn big they get stuck on everything, welcome to velcro world lol |
| 12:13.18 | Wobin | om nomnom |
| 12:13.28 | Wobin | hazelnut gelato |
| 12:13.30 | Wobin | I has it |
| 12:13.35 | Wobin | (a whole tub) |
| 12:14.44 | Wobin | mikma: yeah, I'm not sure a ghoul is worth it anymore if the avoidance requires that talent =) |
| 12:15.02 | Wobin | I tried ghouling a mage that died on nightbane just then... it didn't appear to work |
| 12:15.12 | Wobin | but the cooldown started |
| 12:17.58 | mikma | bah :I well i've only wasted my raise dead for people that i come across while questing :D |
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| 12:21.55 | Olorin | anyone here play on lightbringer? |
| 12:32.53 | haste | (You might want to mention US/EU also) |
| 12:33.36 | Olorin | oops well im in uk but play on US, despite the lag incurred |
| 12:36.12 | cladhaire | i didn't have any lag playing on east coast servers |
| 12:36.18 | cladhaire | and the time difference killed me =/ |
| 12:37.23 | Olorin | well I play with relatives in US but yes the time difference is pain, except when you wanna go mining early mornings uk time arnt bad |
| 12:38.14 | Olorin | my god if my shammy gets any more hotkeys im going to need more fingers... and another keyboard lol |
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| 12:38.44 | mikma | what's the spell named, lava shock? |
| 12:38.49 | mikma | you'll get that one later |
| 12:39.06 | Olorin | great.. lol he only 26 and got 12 totems |
| 12:40.46 | mikma | olorin: http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121208_002835.jpg <- reason why i coded my totem-addon |
| 12:41.47 | Olorin | taking a look |
| 12:42.38 | Olorin | hehe nice |
| 12:42.53 | Olorin | love the font on the main screen |
| 12:43.28 | Olorin | funky but nice and clear |
| 12:46.18 | Olorin | wonder if its possible to keybind to numberpad numbers only, seperate from top line of keybaord |
| 12:46.53 | Cidan | yes |
| 12:46.53 | Cidan | it is |
| 12:47.30 | Olorin | cool might look at using that for totems |
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| 13:38.51 | mikma | there aren't any other '% commands' in macro than %t (target) and %f (focus) ? |
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| 13:39.42 | mikma | [15:38:26] Zepik the Gorloc Hunter says: Too soon, you have awakened me too soon! What is the meaning of this intrusion? |
| 13:40.13 | Arrowmaster | mikma: i think theres a %n but its the same thing as %t |
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| 13:41.12 | mikma | ya, that's true arrowmaster |
| 13:41.29 | mikma | i was hoping there would have been more, like %hp and stuff but.. :I |
| 13:41.38 | Arrowmaster | nope |
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| 14:05.58 | mikma | so, UnitPower("target") returns a value. are the values defined somewhere hidden in blizz' code? |
| 14:07.38 | Pneumatus | UnitPower == UnitMana |
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| 14:07.59 | krka | == RealUltimatePower |
| 14:08.14 | Pneumatus | the value returned is the units current power/mana/energy/rage |
| 14:08.15 | foxlit | "Come to think of it, why would you ever teleport into a prison to break out of it?" |
| 14:08.47 | mikma | i need the name of the power, "rage", "energy", "mana", "runic" |
| 14:09.19 | mikma | i'm pretty sure they are stored somewhere in the blizzard's code |
| 14:09.47 | krka | foxlit: is that from some npc in wow? |
| 14:09.51 | foxlit | yes. |
| 14:09.51 | krka | if so, it's pretty funny |
| 14:10.00 | foxlit | It's the VH heroic daily progress text. |
| 14:10.22 | Pneumatus | mikma: UnitPowerType() |
| 14:10.33 | foxlit | krka: but it's mitigated by the completion text. |
| 14:10.52 | foxlit | "Now I need to go speak with someone about why it was so easy to bypass the city's anti-teleportation protections within the prison?!" |
| 14:11.01 | Pneumatus | mikma: returns 2 args, an index for the power type and a name |
| 14:11.01 | foxlit | So that NPC looks like a moron :/ |
| 14:11.23 | krka | i just presumed it was a PB reference |
| 14:11.50 | foxlit | Good point :) |
| 14:12.24 | mikma | pneumatus: thanks. another problem is that DK returns "RUNIC_POWER" :D |
| 14:12.29 | mikma | i need it localized :I |
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| 14:13.13 | Pneumatus | you'd need to maintain a localisation yourself, the API wont return localised versions for anything like that |
| 14:13.40 | foxlit | Pneumatus: so how does the default UI works? |
| 14:13.44 | mikma | damnit :I that's just what i wanted to get rid of |
| 14:13.47 | foxlit | s/s?/?/ |
| 14:14.04 | mikma | so, how to turn "RUNIC_POWER" into "Runic" ? :D |
| 14:14.15 | Pneumatus | clients only carry 1 language |
| 14:14.22 | Pneumatus | so they are pre-localised |
| 14:14.39 | foxlit | Yeah. It's that localization that you usually want. |
| 14:14.49 | mikma | with lua that's propably possible to change into what i need |
| 14:15.19 | Pneumatus | there's probably a table somewhere in globalstrings in that case |
| 14:15.28 | mikma | aye, there is |
| 14:15.41 | mikma | GlobalStrings.lua:RUNIC_POWER = "Runic Power"; -- Generic "runic power" |
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| 14:16.46 | Pneumatus | _, p = GetUnitPower("target"); print(_G[p]); |
| 14:16.49 | Pneumatus | possibly |
| 14:17.00 | mikma | let's see |
| 14:17.22 | Pneumatus | s/GetUnitPower/GetPowerType/ |
| 14:17.54 | foxlit | If you really wanted to, you could scan ability tooltips. |
| 14:18.15 | foxlit | Get some spell IDs with different requirements, read off the cost. |
| 14:18.41 | Pneumatus | /script _, p = UnitPowerType("player"); print(_G[p]); |
| 14:18.43 | mikma | this is for my announce-addon |
| 14:18.45 | Pneumatus | works ingame ^^ |
| 14:19.07 | mikma | pneumatus: thanks, you're a genius. |
| 14:19.43 | Arrowmaster | so what the fuck did microsoft just automaticly install on all of my computers |
| 14:19.52 | Pneumatus | WU on vista, Arrowmaster? |
| 14:19.59 | Arrowmaster | vista and xp |
| 14:20.00 | foxlit | A keylogger. |
| 14:20.05 | foxlit | They have your keys now, Arrow. |
| 14:20.17 | Pneumatus | my XP box didnt update, but i found my vista box restarted this morning |
| 14:20.18 | Arrowmaster | i have automatic updates set to download but not install |
| 14:20.28 | Arrowmaster | and now its poping up telling me to reboot |
| 14:20.41 | Arrowmaster | and my dads desktop and laptop did the same |
| 14:20.55 | Olorin | you can check the history if load windows update |
| 14:20.55 | Arrowmaster | so they just forcefully updated something |
| 14:21.03 | Arrowmaster | no you cant |
| 14:21.19 | Arrowmaster | the web page doesnt show proper history |
| 14:21.46 | Olorin | well in vista you have the history and show hidden updates too |
| 14:21.46 | Arrowmaster | plus it will bitch at me that i havent restarted before even letting me get that far |
| 14:22.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah and i wont fucking touch vista |
| 14:22.16 | Olorin | eh? you said it was your vista box.. |
| 14:22.22 | Arrowmaster | no i didnt |
| 14:22.26 | Arrowmaster | i said one of them was vista |
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| 14:23.02 | Olorin | whats difference? one or more ? sorry tried to help |
| 14:23.21 | Arrowmaster | one of the computers, which i will not touch, runs vista, which i will not touch |
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| 14:29.35 | Arrowmaster | yup, the site gives me zero info since i havent rebooted yet |
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| 14:39.38 | nobin | lua < perl |
| 14:39.53 | nobin | while(<->) { print $_; } |
| 14:40.13 | cbreak | lua is indeed smaller and less bloated than perl |
| 14:41.30 | nobin | ahhh... you trcky lua'ers |
| 14:41.35 | krka | and has lower runtime, and lower memory usage |
| 14:41.52 | krka | and lower learning curve, and lower maintainability :) |
| 14:42.23 | Adys | is there a Bloodhoof US server? |
| 14:42.33 | cbreak | not to forget the lower parsing overhead when trying to read code |
| 14:47.30 | nobin | Lonny did not like all the perl hating |
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| 15:33.08 | nevcairiel | morning Seerah |
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| 15:59.59 | Seerah | morning nev |
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| 16:10.21 | Otixa | Hai guise |
| 16:11.19 | zenzelezz | y helo thar |
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| 16:20.10 | kd3 | whee, fark: [Amusing] Prolonged prohibited police patrolcar parking practices in Portland perturb popular personality . Previous perpetrator punished. Patched parking procedures possible |
| 16:27.36 | Wobin | http://www.kongregate.com/games/k2xl/boomshine |
| 16:28.03 | Wobin | finished with 240 |
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| 16:53.39 | Gnarfoz | nobin: cool game. 253. :D |
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| 16:59.44 | Lunessa | station! |
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| 17:03.31 | cladhaire | 257 |
| 17:03.31 | cladhaire | heh |
| 17:05.39 | Lunessa | Well, there are like 500 stations, and nothing worth watching... |
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| 17:15.07 | foxlit | 264 :/ |
| 17:15.11 | Shirik|zZz | Attempting to make nobin like Lua is like |
| 17:15.19 | Shirik|zZz | attempting to make Bill Gates use Linux |
| 17:15.31 | ckknight | nobin? |
| 17:15.34 | Shirik|zZz | I've been trying for over a year now, it's pointless :) |
| 17:15.40 | Shirik|zZz | Conversation from a few hours ago |
| 17:15.45 | ckknight | ah |
| 17:15.51 | ckknight | down with lua! |
| 17:16.24 | zenzelezz | Shirik, you need to *stop* reviving hours-dead conversations |
| 17:16.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:16.56 | Lunessa | He can't help it. When his cpu finishes one buffer, it begins reading from the scratch file. |
| 17:17.06 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 17:18.24 | foxlit | So new new Mograine killed the old Mograine, but Tirion ends up with the Ashbringer. QQ! |
| 17:18.55 | zenzelezz | I still mourn the Mograine -> Rivendare crap in Naxxramas |
| 17:19.09 | foxlit | meh, story progression |
| 17:19.20 | foxlit | Although they could've made it the Three Horseman. |
| 17:20.09 | zenzelezz | I didn't catch the whole Naxxramas deal... did they just magically resurrect all the bosses, do they pretend it never was in EPL, or that no-one ever killed them? |
| 17:20.19 | foxlit | The first one. |
| 17:21.29 | foxlit | Kel'Thuzad has a legitimate excuse: his phylactery; the rest of them are just magically revived all the time. |
| 17:21.51 | zenzelezz | yeah, him I understand |
| 17:22.01 | foxlit | Patchwerk, for example, has already died twice before you see him in Naxx10 |
| 17:22.22 | zenzelezz | some of the constructs I can also see as being "reconstructed" |
| 17:23.40 | foxlit | But where they'd get another Maexxna is beyond me |
| 17:23.45 | Shirik | well Patchwerk is an abomination |
| 17:23.45 | foxlit | "The Lich King did it." |
| 17:23.56 | Shirik | you just need to give him a few stitches and he's done |
| 17:24.06 | foxlit | Assuming you can somehow retrieve his corpse etc. |
| 17:24.31 | foxlit | Perhaps they're all clones :) |
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| 17:27.22 | Lunessa | The beauty of having undead villians. You can rebuild them. You can make them stronger, faster, more fun at parties. |
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| 17:30.19 | Lunessa | Bah. None of you watched 'The Six Million Dollar Man.' To hell with you. |
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| 17:31.08 | pastamancer | you have to have the technology |
| 17:37.15 | Corr-work | or a will to ROCK |
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| 17:41.44 | Lunessa | The funk of 40,000 years? |
| 17:43.00 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/12/funny-pictures-desperately-wanted-a-good-grade-in-obediance-school-but-the-final-exam-was-not-what-hed-expected/ |
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| 17:43.57 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 17:44.01 | Corr-work | i'm glad we got past that '8-character filenames' hangup |
| 17:44.21 | Lunessa | Yeah, but long url was ridiculously long. |
| 17:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393782352&pageNo=3&sid=1#51 |
| 17:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "It's like you can't even be bothered to pour it in a nice glass. You just roll out of bed, fill up the ol' mug and hit the forums. Then you refill the mug. " |
| 17:51.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Lonny`afk (n=Lonny@82.80.140.96) |
| 17:55.47 | Shirik | First mixed drink I ever had |
| 17:55.49 | Shirik | gin and coke |
| 17:56.01 | Shirik | It was.... not what I expected |
| 17:56.30 | Shirik | I blame Alex for that one |
| 17:56.48 | Shirik | after that I tended to get rum and coke, very different |
| 17:58.23 | Shirik | Anyone here know PHP? |
| 17:58.30 | Olorin | ya got me picturing jonny depp, "But wheres the rum" |
| 17:59.13 | zenzelezz | Shirik: what about PHP? |
| 17:59.25 | Shirik | Sec, I need to pastey it |
| 18:02.35 | Shirik | ok down at line 110 |
| 18:02.36 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/104263 |
| 18:02.47 | Shirik | This works in PHP 5.3, but I don't have 5.3 |
| 18:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | What DO you have? |
| 18:03.14 | Shirik | I can do this in my version: http://wowi.pastey.net/104264 |
| 18:03.19 | Shirik | 5.2.7, ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:03.27 | Shirik | But you can't use heredocs to initialize class members |
| 18:03.33 | Shirik | do you have any other recommendation on how to work around this? |
| 18:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but that might change if this migraine would die. |
| 18:04.21 | zenzelezz | I still said the same as before, go with an include. Having something like that in your code is butt ugly |
| 18:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:04.54 | Shirik | well, I would go with an include |
| 18:04.59 | Shirik | but I can't really "include" it |
| 18:05.07 | Shirik | I need it to be in a variable so I can pass it to a function |
| 18:05.21 | Shirik | it's a template parameter |
| 18:05.21 | zenzelezz | just create the variable in the include, or make it a function in the include |
| 18:06.26 | foxlit | Good lord. |
| 18:06.41 | foxlit | classes AND intermixing HTML? |
| 18:06.52 | Shirik | The classes are actually a brilliant idea |
| 18:06.59 | Shirik | it's IPB's component system |
| 18:07.04 | Shirik | each component has a class |
| 18:07.15 | Shirik | The HTML on the other hand, is me trying to hack something together |
| 18:07.26 | Shirik | I'm going to remove it in the near future, I'm just trying to see if I understand IPB's component system first |
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| 18:10.50 | foxlit | grr, apple-w |
| 18:11.52 | Shirik | That's what you get for having an apple key! |
| 18:12.17 | foxlit | You're right, windows-w probably does nothing useful :) |
| 18:12.28 | Shirik | it switches windows! |
| 18:12.29 | Shirik | very useful |
| 18:12.45 | Shirik | oh wait, windows w |
| 18:12.51 | Shirik | It outputs the letter w! |
| 18:12.53 | Shirik | also very useful |
| 18:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. no one uses the letter w! |
| 18:17.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Lyn (n=Lyn@Lf07c.l.pppool.de) |
| 18:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ping |
| 18:19.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Nihlo (n=chatzill@p57AF9E36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | unexpected RCODE (SERVFAIL) resolving 'ns57.1and1.com/AAAA/IN': 74.208.3.3#53 |
| 18:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Good to know that a major DNS provider doesn't even remotely support IPv6 |
| 18:23.19 | Shirik | nice |
| 18:24.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Which sadly means when it comes time to renew my domains |
| 18:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be moving back to godaddy =[ |
| 18:24.43 | Shirik | eew |
| 18:24.46 | Shirik | go with dyndns! |
| 18:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The |
| 18:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops |
| 18:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong button |
| 18:24.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And no |
| 18:25.00 | Shirik | why not :( |
| 18:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Do they support native IPv6 transports and AAAA records for your domain authorative NS records? |
| 18:25.42 | Shirik | They're really good if you set up your NS correctly |
| 18:25.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:26.02 | Shirik | Don't know what that is, and yes |
| 18:26.09 | Shirik | Check it yourself |
| 18:26.15 | Shirik | I run on dyndns and have AAAA records |
| 18:26.25 | Shirik | look up heresiarchguild.com |
| 18:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd keep debating but |
| 18:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Class is out early, I have a migraine, and some hot choclate sounds amazing |
| 18:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Back in 40 |
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| 18:26.50 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 18:27.29 | Shirik | http://www.dollardns.net/cgi-bin/dnscrawler/index.pl?server=ns3.mydyndns.org&name=heresiarchguild.com&type=AAAA&class=IN&flags=256&lr=12&submit=Send+Query#report |
| 18:30.09 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1 went afk there Shirik |
| 18:30.19 | Shirik | I know :( |
| 18:34.50 | alestane | Anyone gotten a working PTR client together yet? |
| 18:41.47 | nevcairiel | I think mine should work, however, EU servers give me invalid game version |
| 18:42.28 | nevcairiel | 3.0.1 ptr installer + 0.0.8 patch |
| 18:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, I'm pleased now. Hot choclate + twix bars |
| 18:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | This is a pretty good combo |
| 18:44.03 | Shirik | That was not 40 minutes |
| 18:44.11 | Shirik | Furthermore, I reiterate to you the link above |
| 18:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Furthermore, no |
| 18:44.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:45.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Slakah (n=Slakah@5acd4364.bb.sky.com) |
| 18:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And from the looks of my own tools (I really don't trust websites for DNS poking) |
| 18:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | nsX.mydyndns.org do NOT have AAAA records |
| 18:45.38 | Shirik | huh? |
| 18:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You heard me |
| 18:45.57 | Sixen | kd3 |
| 18:46.08 | Sixen | ~seen kd3 |
| 18:46.11 | purl | kd3 is currently on #wowhead (9h 5m 14s) #wowuidev (9h 5m 14s) #wowace (9h 5m 14s) #wowwiki (9h 5m 14s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 26m 1s, last said: 'whee, fark: [Amusing] Prolonged prohibited police patrolcar parking practices in Portland perturb popular personality . Previous perpetrator punished. Patched parking procedures possible'. |
| 18:46.20 | Sixen | aw |
| 18:46.42 | Sixen | Nevermind, PTR is still locked. |
| 18:46.45 | Sixen | Must've gone up and down. |
| 18:46.45 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: http://wowi.pastey.net/104266 |
| 18:46.46 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:47.18 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/104267 |
| 18:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, you have one there, that you defined yourself |
| 18:47.48 | ScytheBlade1 | All of your secondaries don't |
| 18:48.03 | Shirik | I'm confused. My secondaries are pulling from my main server |
| 18:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | DNS queries are answered in a round robin between every server listed as a NS for your domain |
| 18:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Only one of those servers is IPv6 enabled |
| 18:48.40 | Shirik | But if I tell dig where to look |
| 18:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ... that's great |
| 18:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Good luck telling your browser where to look |
| 18:49.03 | Shirik | But dig is saying it got an AAAA response |
| 18:49.06 | Shirik | so.... if it did |
| 18:49.09 | Shirik | why wouldn't my browser? |
| 18:49.31 | ScytheBlade1 | dig yourlongguildname.com NS |
| 18:49.47 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | See an AAAA record? |
| 18:50.15 | Shirik | oh that has to have an AAAA record too? |
| 18:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:50.34 | Shirik | I see |
| 18:51.13 | ScytheBlade1 | `dig . NS` |
| 18:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Observe how we have an AAAA record or two in there |
| 18:51.38 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@wireless-128-62-165-224.public.utexas.edu) |
| 18:51.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Observe how you're lacking one for your domain at that level, with the same query |
| 18:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Now, compare that to my domain |
| 18:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | `dig averageurl.com NS` |
| 18:52.24 | Shirik | I see a lack of anything from yours :P |
| 18:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:52.45 | malreth | Why are there so many... songs about rainbows... and what's on the other side? |
| 18:52.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Well you're broken, Shirik |
| 18:53.03 | Shirik | I don't get ANY records from you |
| 18:53.04 | Shirik | lol |
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| 18:53.26 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/104268 |
| 18:53.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's weird, as you're the only one with that happening! |
| 18:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | No, that's accurate |
| 18:54.12 | alestane | Why is it that, when an add-on stops working, the author is considered as guilty as if he broke it deliberately> |
| 18:54.14 | alestane | ? |
| 18:54.43 | Shirik | because he did, alestane |
| 18:54.48 | Shirik | And the world immediately owes him something |
| 18:54.51 | Kraps | how do shadow and holy priests gear differently? |
| 18:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Because people need someone to blame that isn't their own selves |
| 18:55.05 | Shirik | because this was provided for free and it was deserved by the person who got it |
| 18:55.16 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: the answer to all your questions is "because people are idiots" |
| 18:55.19 | Shirik | And everything that's free should always work because if it's free you obviously spend 100% of your time on it |
| 18:55.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll take NightHawkTheSane's answer over mine |
| 18:55.45 | malreth | Addons are visions... they're only illusions and addons have nothing to hide |
| 18:55.51 | alestane | Shirik: If the world owes me something for breaking my addon, I should do it more often. Although I suspect you meant that the other way arround. |
| 18:56.06 | Shirik | by "him" I meant the user |
| 18:56.17 | Shirik | I had confilicting pronouns, sorry |
| 18:56.19 | Shirik | that was bad |
| 18:56.31 | Shirik | I'm too busy eating chex mix |
| 18:56.36 | malreth | so we've been told and some choose to believe it. but i know they're wrong... wait and see. |
| 18:56.54 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: entirely unrelated, I've had Goose throw me some errors recently, trying to do stuff in combat that it can't. It's entirely possible that I'm using an old version (though I updated with Wrath) or that I did it wrong |
| 18:57.01 | malreth | someday we'll find it. the Addon Connection. the lovers, the dreamers, and me. |
| 18:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Just curious if to your knowledge, that should/could ever happen |
| 18:57.12 | Shirik | alestane, this brings to mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbIGbZ6gq_Y |
| 18:57.45 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I think I fixed the only errors of which I'm aware, make sure you have the most recent version. If they persist, try to get me an actual error message. |
| 18:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That won't be a problem, Swatter has them all logged |
| 18:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll update and if it throws the error(s) again I'll pastey you then |
| 18:59.09 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: As far as I know, the only thing that should be able to throw an error is trying to reconfigure it during combat. |
| 18:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Definitely not doing that |
| 19:00.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll add that it's still working fine |
| 19:00.15 | malreth | Shirik: that is an awesome video |
| 19:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (Which is why I didn't bother you about it.. until you made it VERY convinent just a moment ago) |
| 19:00.32 | Lunessa | *sigh* sales calls. |
| 19:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: http://www.bash.org/?4281 |
| 19:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Or in this case, over the phone |
| 19:01.20 | Lunessa | malreth: all of us under it's spell, I know that's probably maaaaaaaa-gic. |
| 19:02.32 | malreth | Lunessa: have you been half asleep... and have you heard voices? |
| 19:04.04 | Lunessa | malreth: addons are memories but only illusions... |
| 19:05.01 | malreth | gotta run... |
| 19:05.12 | malreth | la, la la laaaaa la la laaa la la laaaaa.... |
| 19:07.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 19:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have to say again, that for just under $3, hot choclate and twix bars are a real winning combo |
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| 19:08.46 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:09.35 | alestane | ~seen Lopeppeppy |
| 19:09.37 | purl | lopeppeppy <n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 22h 31m 4s ago, saying: 'http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/11/funny-pictures-spoiled-yur-doin-it-rite/ < - my cat totally wants this'. |
| 19:10.00 | Lunessa | alestane: She might be without power today. |
| 19:10.24 | alestane | Well, I was just trying to find out if she'd left for lunch/sheeple, or hadn't been on at all. |
| 19:10.46 | Lunessa | she said something about "working from home" and "ice storm" |
| 19:10.53 | alestane | I see. |
| 19:11.17 | Lunessa | And this morning there were lots of people in her geographic position without power this morning. |
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| 19:12.49 | alestane | That's entirely possible then. |
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| 19:15.05 | alestane | In fact, I have a text message from her: "No power, no water, no heat... Curled up in bed with a book." |
| 19:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a pretty nice way to be. |
| 19:15.36 | alestane | Thank goodness for cell phones at least when the towers still have electricity. |
| 19:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, the curled up in bed with a book part |
| 19:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the power/water/heat |
| 19:15.43 | AbsoRayne | oh hai |
| 19:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey mages! --> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393392657&sid=1 <-- |
| 19:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Go agree with me |
| 19:18.19 | Lunessa | Indeedy. I hope everyone else is dealing with cold weather just fine? |
| 19:19.14 | Lunessa | sbo - seen the patch notes? |
| 19:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: I read them over, didn't see anything that related to Ignite mechanics |
| 19:20.02 | Lunessa | Nothing there. Just other magely goodness. |
| 19:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 19:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I have finals this coming week. I skimmed it but didn't pay much attention |
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| 19:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm told that the TotW change is amazing or something though |
| 19:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe now would be a good time to actually read them in detail, hmm |
| 19:36.14 | Dashkal | Geographical math is a pain in the ass... Simple problem, I want my map to display some number of km around a given geographical position... Answer not so simple |
| 19:36.38 | WhiteWolf | that's a relatively easy problem, though |
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| 19:38.04 | Dashkal | sort of. The map widget I'm using can only calculate zoom when you have two or more distinct positions. I need to handle the case of only one yet still using a reasoable zoom |
| 19:38.26 | Dashkal | so I need to find out the longitude of the position 6 km west of another |
| 19:39.33 | Dashkal | The problem isn't so much hard (wikipedia has this lovely formula) as annoying (lots of math being written in code) |
| 19:40.00 | Xiro | bleh to divine shield changes :/ |
| 19:41.33 | WhiteWolf | Dashkal: well, the formula is easy to derive (elementary distance units to degrees arc length of the earth, using some normalized radius of the earth for calculation... usually the mean radius) |
| 19:42.07 | WhiteWolf | Dashkal: and it should fit nicely in a km2deg function -- then you just add km2deg(whatever) to your longitude in decimal format (or, DMS using careful logic) |
| 19:42.08 | Dashkal | I suppose I could just normalize the radius and use circle math. Of course I've already written half the formula in java :p |
| 19:42.45 | WhiteWolf | well, there's no reason to derive the radius of the earth at your longitude, unless you're intentionally trying to be *exactly* 6km and not 6 and change |
| 19:43.05 | Dashkal | *nods* agreed. Given this is just intended to give an approximate zoom, I can fudge |
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| 19:45.49 | WhiteWolf | Dashkal: since my memory failed me, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_arc gives 111,120km per degree |
| 19:46.38 | Tekkub | yatta! |
| 19:46.47 | Tekkub | by Sunday I"ll know all the minor glyphs |
| 19:48.42 | Dashkal | WhiteWolf: yeah, I have the page for longitude open which has some handy tables |
| 19:49.17 | Dashkal | I was consudering just using the tables and some averaging but I know it would bother me that I fudged like that. I'd rather normalize and use a sphere (43 km difference in radii isn't enough to matter) |
| 19:51.13 | WhiteWolf | Dashkal: mmm, 111.120km is what i've known survey teams use as coverage for europe and eurasia |
| 19:54.45 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I was going to ask if you'd just managed to teleport to NYC in the future... |
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| 19:59.03 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: what happens when there's none left btw? :O |
| 19:59.12 | Tekkub | I stop doing research |
| 20:01.43 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 20:02.09 | Gnarfoz | you're obviously using outside information sources, so what happens for people who don't? :P |
| 20:02.22 | Tekkub | they waste their mats? |
| 20:02.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: ... if you do research, and don't learn anything, you're done.. what's difficult about that? :P |
| 20:02.53 | mikma | lol |
| 20:02.57 | mikma | 1+1 :) |
| 20:03.01 | Gnarfoz | exactly my question. they could have come up with a number of solutions to the problem. |
| 20:03.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i think the "you don't learn anything" is a perfectly acceptable solution. |
| 20:03.47 | Gnarfoz | I didn't even contest that |
| 20:03.59 | Tekkub | I don't see a problem |
| 20:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry, it sounded like you thought there should be something else |
| 20:04.07 | Tekkub | hence no solution is needed |
| 20:04.08 | Gnarfoz | disable the spell, remove the spell, put a notice on the spell that says "hey you're done", have an error message pop up "you didn't learn anything because there's nothing left", the actual solution (which I was asking for), etc. |
| 20:04.16 | Gnarfoz | I was asking what the solution *was* |
| 20:04.35 | Gnarfoz | not why it is like it is (because I didn't know then :D) |
| 20:04.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: the recipe still has an effect aside from research |
| 20:04.53 | Gnarfoz | that being what? :) |
| 20:04.58 | NightHawkTheSane | random scrolls? :P |
| 20:05.01 | Gnarfoz | oh right |
| 20:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, non-optimal, but also non-negligable |
| 20:05.25 | Corr-work | ligable? |
| 20:05.40 | NightHawkTheSane | negligible* |
| 20:05.48 | Gnarfoz | whoo no more essences left on the AH, gotta put up new ones :D |
| 20:06.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: also, can you either fix, or remove the auctioneer stuff in Panda? those nil errors annoy me, and i dont want to have to disable auc just to use it. :P |
| 20:06.42 | Tekkub | just remove the bits from the lil auc lib then |
| 20:09.33 | alestane | Anyone happen to see what the Rokk's quest of the day (TM) is? |
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| 20:13.20 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't that be possibly different for anyone not on your realm? ^^ |
| 20:17.49 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: What's wrong with Auctioneer? |
| 20:17.53 | Shirik | (Or Tekkub) |
| 20:18.06 | mikma | what's wrong with tekkub? oh... |
| 20:18.33 | Tekkub | as far as I know, it dodn't cache it's price so every time I ask for it it's an expensive call |
| 20:18.43 | Anaral | From what I gather, it's Tekkub's problem, not Aucs. ;) |
| 20:18.47 | Tekkub | but I'm still considering just dropping auc support |
| 20:19.47 | Tekkub | they can implement GetAuctionBuyout, it's not hard |
| 20:19.50 | Shirik | Yes it does |
| 20:19.59 | Shirik | You talking about GetMarketValue()? |
| 20:20.05 | Tekkub | no |
| 20:20.20 | Tekkub | I'm talking about a global like GetVendorPrice or whatever it was called |
| 20:20.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: Panda throws nil errors and doesn't quite work when i have Auctioneer enabled |
| 20:20.46 | Tekkub | takes same args as GetItemInfo, returns the price your auc addon would use to sell the item |
| 20:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ... although i wonder if it's a lod thing? |
| 20:22.03 | Tekkub | Panda should be like VendorBait... VendorBait just calls GetSellValue, it doesn't care what addon gives it the prices |
| 20:22.41 | NightHawkTheSane | if you want, i can pastey the error, but im just saying whats happening. :P |
| 20:22.51 | Shirik | I'm really confused what Tekkub's problem is wht Auctioneer, but oh well |
| 20:23.03 | Tekkub | I don't want addon-specific code |
| 20:23.16 | Tekkub | I don't want to support 14 different auction addons I DON'T USE |
| 20:23.18 | Shirik | No you were saying something about caching |
| 20:23.33 | Tekkub | that's a different issue I don't care about :P |
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| 20:36.40 | alestane | Oh hey, found and actual issue with JustTheArt that might cause taint problems. Fortunately, easily fixed. |
| 20:37.18 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 20:37.31 | Shirik | I just went to a guild website that I left about... a year and a half ago |
| 20:37.45 | Shirik | I went to their "Web Team" page on that site... I'm still listed |
| 20:38.18 | alestane | In fact, I wrote it expecting to fix it later...just didn't spot that the stock UI code was ready for it to be incorporated. |
| 20:46.18 | alestane | Shirik: I just purged a taint issue from JustTheArt (I think), can you vet the upload? |
| 20:46.52 | Shirik | I refuse to. It is solely in XML |
| 20:46.56 | Shirik | I'm kidding :) |
| 20:47.18 | Shirik | done |
| 20:47.47 | alestane | I use multiple files when there is some benefit in doing so. |
| 20:47.57 | foxlit | "Guideline 2.3 Seizures: Do not design content in a way that is known to cause seizures." |
| 20:49.40 | Shirik | foxlit, you wrote the blp to png converter, right? |
| 20:49.46 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:49.54 | Shirik | Do you happen to have the blp documentation floating around somewhere? |
| 20:49.59 | Shirik | s/documentation/specification/ |
| 20:50.14 | foxlit | wowwiki & wikipedia. |
| 20:50.19 | Shirik | oh they're on there? |
| 20:50.25 | Shirik | I thought it was more of a private thing |
| 20:51.25 | foxlit | Nah, there's nothing much to it |
| 20:51.45 | foxlit | You need wowwiki for the general file format (wikipedia, iirc, has the older BLP1 covered) |
| 20:52.04 | foxlit | And you need wikipedia for the S3TC docs |
| 20:52.18 | foxlit | Anything in particular you'd like to do? :) |
| 20:53.39 | Shirik | I don't need to use DXT compression if I don't want to, right? |
| 20:54.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@85.24.18.152.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 20:54.16 | Shirik | (At the expense of it being much bigger) |
| 20:55.20 | foxlit | If you limit yourself to a 256-color palette (per pixel alpha, however, is possible). |
| 20:55.35 | Shirik | that's fine, I'm not doing anything too complicated |
| 20:56.15 | foxlit | Any reason you'd actually want to use BLP instead of TGA? |
| 20:58.59 | Fisker- | BLP is awesommeere |
| 20:59.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!*@bas2-hull20-127935854.dsl.bell.ca] by Shirik |
| 20:59.18 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "since its the only 'why the fuck is that mentioned' entry" - Arrowmaster |
| 20:59.20 | Shirik | what |
| 20:59.23 | Shirik | I didn't change topic |
| 20:59.55 | NightHawkTheSane | freenode begs to differ |
| 21:00.54 | Shirik | The old topic is off my screen so I have no idea if it was :( |
| 21:01.32 | ccox | yeah, looks like you rolled back the topic |
| 21:02.02 | WhiteWolf | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "and it'll only stick in the crevices" - pastamancer |
| 21:02.10 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "and it'll only stick in the crevices" - pastamancer |
| 21:02.39 | pastamancer | that'll teach me to talk about painting miniatures in here |
| 21:02.46 | Shirik | warhammer? |
| 21:02.55 | pastamancer | yeah |
| 21:02.59 | NightHawkTheSane | s/about painting miniatures/ |
| 21:02.59 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.00 | Shirik | Ha, was this when we were talking about washes? |
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| 21:03.05 | pastamancer | ayup |
| 21:03.07 | Shirik | nice |
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| 21:03.21 | Lunessa | station |
| 21:03.24 | Fisker- | i'll stick it in your crevices |
| 21:03.37 | Shirik | I'm sure Lunessa was glad to join to that |
| 21:04.04 | Lunessa | My crevices don't need anything stuck to them, really. |
| 21:05.18 | Fisker- | damn |
| 21:05.18 | NightHawkTheSane | so, you want to be the one doing the sticking? |
| 21:05.22 | Fisker- | those ads are getting smart |
| 21:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet Fisker-'s up for that too |
| 21:05.35 | Fisker- | The "You're nr. xth visitor" now also states "This is not a joke" |
| 21:05.36 | Fisker- | omg |
| 21:07.15 | pastamancer | Fisker- is not a joke |
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| 21:07.42 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 21:07.58 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, when you get like 10 of t hem in a group, those island shoveltusk really hit hard |
| 21:08.17 | Fisker- | just like women |
| 21:08.18 | Fisker- | oh snap |
| 21:08.31 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, good sir, indeed. |
| 21:09.02 | pastamancer | I was thinking 'girlscouts' |
| 21:09.19 | enagle|wow | ~wh search higher learning |
| 21:09.20 | enagle|wow | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=higher+learning |
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| 21:21.28 | |Jelly| | Shirik: You downed Malygos yet? |
| 21:21.35 | Shirik | we've killed everything |
| 21:21.36 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:21.53 | |Jelly| | Any tips? I think my Naxx 10-man is gonna give it a try Sunday |
| 21:22.02 | Shirik | 10 or 25? |
| 21:22.13 | |Jelly| | 10 |
| 21:22.31 | Shirik | try to get the sparks to drop right in the center, so you can get 2-3 at a time |
| 21:22.38 | |Jelly| | I'll be tanking probably. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Lesli |
| 21:22.48 | Shirik | tank around the little circle thingy |
| 21:24.19 | |pez| | I wanna get the black drake that drops in some instance(I think) I don't remember the name of |
| 21:24.39 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't that a rare drop off the wintergrasp raid boss? |
| 21:25.01 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wait, no, black drake is from sartherian |
| 21:25.03 | |pez| | Might be! |
| 21:25.10 | |pez| | Still want it. |
| 21:25.20 | |pez| | Looks awesomesauce. |
| 21:25.23 | NightHawkTheSane | sartharion* |
| 21:25.41 | |pez| | ofcourse, the Azure Drake is also not too horrible ;) But that's from the 25man Malygos, isn't it? |
| 21:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 21:26.43 | |pez| | Aaand, it has a 100% droprate if you don't kill the dragons! .. But I'm guessing that's the hard part. :P |
| 21:26.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. :p |
| 21:35.33 | mikma | [23:35:19] Received 2 of item: [Emblem of Heroism]. |
| 21:35.37 | mikma | that one has changed? |
| 21:35.50 | mikma | wasn't it "You receive item foo x2" |
| 21:36.14 | PProvost | What is the best way for me to tell when a particular spell has come out of cooldown |
| 21:36.33 | mikma | IsSpellUsable("name") ? |
| 21:36.39 | PProvost | On a timer? |
| 21:36.41 | PProvost | Hrm |
| 21:36.49 | mikma | ya |
| 21:37.32 | mikma | pprovost: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FMikmap%2FMikmap.lua <- i love my simple timer in there :D |
| 21:37.56 | enagle|wow | ~wh search phoenix |
| 21:37.57 | enagle|wow | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=phoenix |
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| 21:50.44 | PProvost | mikma: the units on that SetTimer function are screen repaints? |
| 21:51.23 | PProvost | nvm |
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| 21:59.39 | enagle|wow | ~wh search cenarion circle |
| 21:59.40 | enagle|wow | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=cenarion+circle |
| 22:01.43 | enagle|wow | um, what is the real name of AQ20 i forget |
| 22:01.47 | Industrial | ~wh search calamity |
| 22:01.48 | enagle|wow | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=calamity |
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| 22:02.44 | WhiteWolf | ruins of ahn'qiraj |
| 22:03.06 | enagle|wow | ty |
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| 22:10.22 | njal | anyone ever had a problem with the normal size texture (set with SetNormalTexture) of a button (inheriting from ActionButtonTemplate)? it doesn't respect my SetHeight and SetWidth, but the textures from SetHighlightTexture and SetPushedTexture does |
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| 22:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | what happens when you drop a macbook pro on asphalt: http://web.me.com/studiodc/Studio::DC/Apple_Macbook_Pro.html |
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| 22:28.11 | foxlit | grumble grumble. I could get the T7 chest, but that'd be a 29 defense rating loss :/ |
| 22:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | kitties! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kitties-at-lolcatraz |
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| 22:28.31 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: Ah, but will it Blend? =) |
| 22:28.48 | Wobin | (Comment can refer to either link =)) |
| 22:28.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: did you see the pictures? shit, i'd wager on macbook: 1, blender: 0 |
| 22:29.32 | Wobin | why do the kitties keep flipping 180 deg? =( |
| 22:30.11 | Wobin | The cute is clearly going to give epileptic fits =( |
| 22:30.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 22:31.29 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.06 | Tekkub | that's when you remove him |
| 22:35.39 | ZorbaTHut | I was going to say that it's not completely ridiculous if he's in the old world and doesn't have a hearth available. But . . . mage. Yeah. |
| 22:36.43 | NightHawkTheSane | sometimes i wonder how these people found their way out of their starting zone |
| 22:37.02 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, questhelper |
| 22:37.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, it's a little tricky with most zones having that little curve in the road around a barrier. |
| 22:37.08 | NightHawkTheSane | easy to get lost |
| 22:37.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: see, this is why i loathe questhelper (no offense) |
| 22:38.52 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, none taken. Some people abuse it, and I also have a hard time justifying why people should be *required* to go through parts they don't find interesting. |
| 22:39.08 | Lunessa | Can I get a summon? To Dalaran? As a MAGE? "You have been removed from the group by GroupLeader." |
| 22:39.41 | Xiro | wow... I just hit 80, and after about 5 minutes of excitment I lost all interest in the rest of the game... |
| 22:39.49 | Lunessa | Any other response should contain the word "n00b" or the phrase "feeling retarded?" |
| 22:41.13 | Wobin | Xiro: Done the Wrathgate chain? |
| 22:41.26 | Wobin | I would have been quite happy to stop playing the game after that |
| 22:41.40 | Xiro | Wobin: yeah, completed that around 74 I think |
| 22:42.02 | Wobin | zomg, kittehs are awake! |
| 22:42.08 | Wobin | damn you NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:42.35 | Xiro | I've resorted to looking for the books in dalarrrran |
| 22:42.38 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 22:42.48 | ZorbaTHut | xiro, that's what happened when I hit 60 the first time |
| 22:42.50 | Dewin | http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/20501-World_of_Warcraft_the_restaurant |
| 22:42.51 | Dewin | ... |
| 22:43.13 | Wobin | Xiro: Yeah, I got the Kirin Tor Companion =P |
| 22:43.17 | Wobin | (at 72) |
| 22:43.38 | Xiro | ya know though.. maybe I'll actually get something rl things done now... like visit with my wife :P |
| 22:45.04 | njal | if I'm done with a frame, is there anything like DestroyFrame I should/could use? |
| 22:45.28 | Dashkal | No. frames cannot be destroyed except by reload |
| 22:45.44 | Dewin | If you plan on needing another frame of the same type, you could keep it around for later reuse |
| 22:45.45 | Xiro | the worst part I think is that I leveled to 79 without a flying mount, then 79 - 80 in icecrown with basic flyer |
| 22:46.17 | njal | keeping it around takes more lines of code than just scrapping and rebuilding, but I guess I have to? |
| 22:46.27 | njal | unless I want to be a memory leak, that is |
| 22:46.34 | Dashkal | njal: scrapping and rebuilding is bad, frames hold onto lots of resources |
| 22:47.20 | njal | would only scrap / rebuild after configuration changes, which wouldn't happen when the resources are really needed, so I'd consider it a non-issue in my case |
| 22:47.43 | Dashkal | *shrugs* still. Since it cannot be destroyed, if you drop all references to it, you've leaked it |
| 22:48.09 | ScytheBlade1 | And classes are over! |
| 22:48.53 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19741 |
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| 22:49.06 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Help sick kids! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19741 |
| 22:49.32 | alestane | Cairenn: Most excellent. |
| 22:50.37 | Tekkub | kids suck |
| 22:51.04 | Lunessa | Cairenn: For the FAQ: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393782879&sid=1 - the MAC OSX bit. |
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| 22:56.38 | Lunessa | Kids do not suck. Growing up sucks. |
| 22:56.49 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 22:56.51 | Tekkub | nope, it's kids, they suck |
| 22:57.07 | ccox | kids are too much fun |
| 22:57.21 | ccox | (well, after the diaper phase) |
| 22:57.21 | Xiro | putting them in a box, shaking it vigorously = fun |
| 22:57.29 | Lunessa | I has no kids. I'm fine with it. but i'm not fine with not getting to be one. |
| 22:58.14 | Tekkub | I put em in a mesh hamper and then spin it really fast so they fling to the outside |
| 22:58.20 | Tekkub | wait, no , that's cats |
| 22:58.37 | zenzelezz | somehow I read that as "grown ups suck" |
| 22:58.37 | zenzelezz | which again could be read in multiple ways |
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| 23:00.47 | End | I'm a warlock, and I just got complimented for summoning someone >_> |
| 23:00.59 | End | It's just something I do, you know, to get the group going faster |
| 23:01.47 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Hey, there are some parts of being a grown up I like. Sex is one of them. |
| 23:02.25 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't know |
| 23:02.51 | Lunessa | Sorry, can't help you. |
| 23:02.57 | End | it's ok |
| 23:03.00 | End | he's helpless |
| 23:03.08 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm going home for the weekend. |
| 23:03.16 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: no worries, you're not quite my kind anyway :-p |
| 23:03.28 | Lunessa | Totally. Wrong plumbing. |
| 23:03.37 | mikma | so, i got this addon that pastes my targetinfo into chatframeeditbox with keybind. my keybind is "t", and here's the result: Oe, lvl80 Death Knight, Health:100% (Gnome)t |
| 23:03.43 | zenzelezz | and End's actually very close to the truth |
| 23:03.49 | mikma | so how in the heck am i going to get rid of that t in there? :D |
| 23:04.27 | zenzelezz | edit the addon? |
| 23:05.12 | zenzelezz | or do you mean that your keybind is applied inside the editbox in addition to triggering the bind? |
| 23:05.19 | mikma | aye! |
| 23:05.59 | jaxdahl | looks like there's a new build for 0.0.8 |
| 23:06.22 | jaxdahl | 54.2mb worth of BT pieces are the same apparently |
| 23:06.38 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2Fxlifes%2Fxlifes.lua |
| 23:06.45 | mikma | there's the code for the addon :P |
| 23:06.58 | mikma | i have no idea how to remove the keybind that gets entered |
| 23:07.44 | zenzelezz | does it always paste to the current sticky channel, or to a specific channel? |
| 23:08.34 | mikma | current sticky, it's just ChatFrameEditBox:Show() and ChatFrameEditBox:SetText(data) |
| 23:09.32 | Lyn | awww |
| 23:09.50 | Lyn | delicious marzipan <3 |
| 23:17.28 | Dewin | hmm |
| 23:17.30 | Wobin | thank god for http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/rss.xml |
| 23:17.32 | Dewin | I hope paper towel is edible |
| 23:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: Goose suggestion - display the version number off in some corner on the config pane |
| 23:18.11 | Dewin | Wobin: Considering the LHC is offline, I believe the ultimate destruction of our planet is quite a ways off. |
| 23:18.58 | Wobin | Dewin: I know! I was surprised it had an update |
| 23:19.04 | Wobin | in my RSS feed |
| 23:19.13 | Dewin | lol |
| 23:19.28 | Dewin | they should change it from "NO" to "Not Yet" just to mess with people |
| 23:19.30 | Wobin | But it's good to keep the people informed! |
| 23:19.41 | Wobin | or "Checking..." |
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| 23:20.03 | Dewin | they should set it to Yes when april 1st comes around |
| 23:20.23 | Tekkub | "In progress" |
| 23:20.36 | Wobin | oh man, http://lunchbagart.tumblr.com/ |
| 23:20.47 | Wobin | now that's a dedicated father =P |
| 23:21.01 | Wobin | (also highly geeky) |
| 23:21.27 | DjinnWraith | Hi all :) |
| 23:21.50 | DjinnWraith | any chance anyone has some experience with .lua scripts and/or setting up QDKP? |
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| 23:26.02 | zenzelezz | the flight masters in Northrend sure are greedy compared to Outland |
| 23:26.54 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Noted. |
| 23:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | With that said, just found out I'm on 1.3b |
| 23:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/104281 <- just occured |
| 23:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled right |
| 23:28.47 | foxlit | http://hdimage.org/images/groh28kzipdict9aq4tv_fap.bmp so ironic |
| 23:29.37 | foxlit | (hqimage+bmp) |
| 23:31.06 | Wobin | also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbJlErcWZw |
| 23:31.09 | Wobin | creeepy |
| 23:33.09 | Dewin | ! |
| 23:33.13 | Dewin | D: 1.2 MB/s |
| 23:33.20 | Dewin | New patch download speed record for me. |
| 23:34.18 | abyx | whats the best way to implement an addon that has multiple timers running with StatusBars for each timer? |
| 23:34.18 | foxlit | Meh, annoying. |
| 23:34.24 | foxlit | I can't replicate the OPie memory issues :/ |
| 23:34.59 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: the northrend flight masters are unionized, all the outlands one are refugees scrounging for whatever you'll give them |
| 23:35.04 | abyx | Would you say have one "eventFrame" that updates all of the timers at once or have each timer frame call their own "OnUpdate" function? |
| 23:35.42 | Wobin | oh yeah, opie |
| 23:36.12 | Corr-work | that's strange, Wobin. very strange. |
| 23:37.40 | Wobin | zomg foxlit automatic quest item ring? |
| 23:37.45 | Wobin | I <3 you lotz |
| 23:37.54 | foxlit | It's been around for ages :) |
| 23:38.01 | pastamancer | abyx: that's a tossup. pick whichever fits better with how your addon is designed. giving each frame its own onupdate is probably going to be simpler though. |
| 23:38.03 | End | he means eons |
| 23:38.05 | foxlit | If ages begun when wotlk was released :) |
| 23:38.06 | End | it's been around for eons |
| 23:38.32 | pastamancer | oipe is on wowi, right? |
| 23:39.01 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 23:40.35 | clad|away | abyx: if each is a status bar, each having their own OnUpdate is the best |
| 23:42.21 | foxlit | Meh, I just don't see it thrashing. |
| 23:42.43 | foxlit | Sure, SPELLS_UPDATE does spam a bit if you interact with the spell book, but it shouldn't do anything as a result. |
| 23:43.51 | ZorbaTHut | abyx, I personally prefer a single OnUpdate for things that are not directly associated with a GUI element, and using the frame's OnUpdate otherwise |
| 23:44.47 | abyx | would there be a performance difference between the two? |
| 23:45.09 | abyx | between a global OnUpdate vs having each frame update themselves |
| 23:45.49 | Wobin | (T) Kunfuu: Kunfu charity now excepting donations |
| 23:45.49 | Tekkub | depends entirely on what you're doing and how you do it |
| 23:45.55 | Wobin | >< |
| 23:45.56 | Dewin | abyx: I'd assume if there was one it was negligible |
| 23:46.14 | Dewin | You'd have the overhead of more lua function calls, but less overhead in having to write code that updates them all at once. |
| 23:46.23 | abyx | I mean for multiple timers... 1 up to say 20 or so |
| 23:46.34 | Tekkub | depends entirely on what you're doing and how you do it |
| 23:46.44 | foxlit | are there training dummies in dalaran? |
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| 23:46.56 | ZorbaTHut | abyx, I doubt a noticable one. |
| 23:47.01 | Tekkub | if you're just looping through every handler, there's no improvement over having many frames/handlers |
| 23:47.14 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, there's always going to be people who say "omg your plugin uses 3 CPU seconds over 2 hours of gameplay, CPU HOG" but, shrug |
| 23:47.27 | Tekkub | if you're using a scheduling system, ala Ace3's timer stuff, great imporvements can be made |
| 23:49.00 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, Sixen: pong |
| 23:50.35 | Dewin | hmm.. odd. |
| 23:50.45 | kd3 | and back to afk for dinner |
| 23:50.58 | Dewin | They renamed the servers after I did my PTR character copy |
| 23:51.09 | Dewin | so my hunter who I transferred to the US PVE server is now on a spanish PVP server |
| 23:51.44 | mikma | haahaa |
| 23:52.33 | Dewin | also, I can't log in my lv80 who's in Dalaran >.> |
| 23:52.50 | Tekkub | you're just full of whine tonight aren't you? |
| 23:53.02 | Dewin | Yes. And without the "h" and the "e" in 'whine' too. |
| 23:53.30 | mikma | lol |
| 23:53.31 | Corr-work | i wish i had the 'e', hold the 'h' |
| 23:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ... shoot what was I going to bug you about -.- |
| 23:54.52 | mikma | "would you like to have some human with your salt?" (Futurama) |
