| 00:00.49 | Shirik|Ecole | oi |
| 00:00.53 | Amarande | mikma: I'm not entirely sure how they respawn |
| 00:00.54 | Shirik|Ecole | cooking corn dogs without a timer is hard |
| 00:01.03 | Amarande | or if they respawn when the boss evades, or if I just didn't get back to the boss in time |
| 00:01.14 | Amarande | since the first time I had a look, I lost track of the boss for a while after I got away |
| 00:01.38 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, COUNT. |
| 00:01.38 | mikma | oh, also one in ungoro |
| 00:01.46 | Lopeppeppy | You're on a computer, look at the IRC time stamps! |
| 00:01.47 | mikma | 4 places |
| 00:01.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Lopeppeppy: I had no idea when I started |
| 00:02.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I already finished them |
| 00:02.01 | Shirik|Ecole | they came out ok |
| 00:02.03 | Lopeppeppy | That's your problem, dear. |
| 00:02.06 | WobWork | mikma: hiho |
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| 00:02.17 | WobWork | corn... dogs? |
| 00:02.25 | Shirik|Ecole | ! WobWork doesn't know what a corn dog is? |
| 00:02.53 | WobWork | I have a vauge recollection it may be related somewhat to a dagwood dog |
| 00:02.55 | mikma | huzzah for that |
| 00:02.58 | Shirik|Ecole | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_dog |
| 00:03.17 | Shirik|Ecole | though I'm actually eating them in nugget form :) |
| 00:03.42 | WobWork | the idea of a 'hot dog' nugget is entirely disturbing =) |
| 00:04.01 | WobWork | "zomg, what part of the dog -don't- you eat!??!" |
| 00:05.31 | Shirik|Ecole | um |
| 00:05.35 | Shirik|Ecole | it's chopped into little pieces? |
| 00:05.36 | WobWork | mikma: what bosses are you talking about? |
| 00:05.41 | Shirik|Ecole | not like anything is "left out" |
| 00:05.44 | WobWork | Poor dog =( |
| 00:05.50 | mikma | wobwork: elemental invasion |
| 00:10.04 | Mikk | Fisker-: stop pinging me already! |
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| 00:14.34 | mikma | mikk: failsker- |
| 00:15.09 | Mikk | i had something going there for a bit when i simply avoided channels that failsker was in and where i didnt have op |
| 00:15.33 | |Jelly| | How can I pass arg7 (destName) fromCOMBAT_LOG_EVENT to chat? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 00:15.47 | Mikk | eh? |
| 00:15.49 | Mikk | just print it? |
| 00:16.07 | |Jelly| | eh? |
| 00:16.42 | WobWork | Mikk: You could just ignore him? |
| 00:17.05 | Mikk | Then I get confused when people talk to him |
| 00:17.15 | Mikk | |Jelly|: Define "pass to chat" |
| 00:17.55 | Mikk | local function myEventHandler(self,event,...) if event=="API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT" then print(select(7,...)) end end |
| 00:18.00 | Mikk | This prints arg7 to chat |
| 00:18.01 | |Jelly| | I want to announce when someone resists Righteous Defense with a chat message to party that says "Soandso has resisted Righteous Defense" |
| 00:18.27 | WobWork | Mikk: pft who talks to -him-? =P |
| 00:18.32 | Mikk | mikma does |
| 00:19.18 | mikma | i dont! |
| 00:19.40 | mikma | he always tried to talk to me for some weird reason |
| 00:19.48 | mikma | and, fails like hell |
| 00:23.06 | mikma | anyone here has a young dog? |
| 00:23.33 | mikma | or, has had a dog / knows about dogs, lol |
| 00:24.25 | foxlit | Whatever you do, loot it before it despawns. |
| 00:24.37 | mikma | evevntho i've been around dogs for my life, i still don't know why our 2y old dogs breathe smells like... |
| 00:25.04 | mikma | like something that has not been washed for 2 weeks |
| 00:25.42 | Cralor` | get minty bones |
| 00:26.00 | Cralor` | usually they are green colored |
| 00:26.13 | mikma | that'll only remove the smell for couple of hours |
| 00:26.26 | Cralor` | you're right. |
| 00:26.33 | mikma | i'm looking for something that removes it completely |
| 00:27.57 | mikma | and i really dont wantt to spend 100e just to hear "was her teeth" or so from vet |
| 00:28.38 | Cralor` | yea |
| 00:29.07 | mikma | they have those toothbrush looking green bones, but thats to remove the crap from the teeth |
| 00:29.13 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, it could be her digestion too, sometimes charcoal supplements help. |
| 00:29.43 | Cralor` | charcoal.. eww |
| 00:29.52 | mikma | lopeppeppy: any guesses what amount, how many times a day, how long? |
| 00:30.25 | Lopeppeppy | No guesses, mikma, I just know a friend iwth a big dog, like a Newfie or sled dog thing, used it for her dog. |
| 00:30.49 | mikma | well, this is almost like sled dog |
| 00:31.01 | mikma | lapland herrand or so |
| 00:31.08 | Cralor` | my neighbor has a Bernese Mountain Dog |
| 00:32.15 | mikma | its huge like ps3 |
| 00:33.27 | mikma | meh, typos happening again, time for a 10hpn (10h powernap) |
| 00:35.05 | Lunessa | If you're looking into charcoal supplements or a doggie-toothbrush, check the packaging carefully. If you're really concerned check with your vet. Our pets are too precious to kill accidentally. |
| 00:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | And don't get your supplies from a cheap place, with all the toxins coming into bargain brands these days. |
| 00:36.06 | mikma | theres only one place to get medical charcoal here |
| 00:36.58 | mikma | and no, black market is not the answer. a pharmacy is |
| 00:37.38 | mikma | and all the pharmacies are under the same chain, all sell the same products |
| 00:40.08 | End | well, I guess I'll just be hackishly fixing my local copy of LibDogTag-Unit, since curse is being lame |
| 00:44.15 | Amarande | mikma: there aren't any on the auction house? :) |
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| 00:49.37 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 00:49.44 | Amarande | will S2 stay the 70 honor gear permanently now? |
| 00:49.50 | Amarande | or will it be replaced by S3 and S4 eventually |
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| 01:01.53 | Lunessa | Holy hell. Student just in here screaming at the front desk staff because she ran the battery down on a laptop she checked out from us and lost a file. SCREAMING. |
| 01:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | Gotta love final papers. |
| 01:02.23 | Duman | lrn2monitorbattery |
| 01:03.00 | Lunessa | seriously, don't tell me a 3 hour charge ran out in 20 mins. I can see when you checked the thing out. |
| 01:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ so much win |
| 01:03.37 | Lunessa | sbo - $1.65 around here. And with my new 2 mile commute... a tank of gas lasts all month. |
| 01:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | It's about 1.99 neear me. |
| 01:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm half tempted to go fill up just because it's cheap |
| 01:05.55 | Lunessa | Do it. DO IT! |
| 01:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | and I actually have a coupon for 30c/gallon off |
| 01:06.16 | Lunessa | Full Tank = Win. Esp. with cold weather on. |
| 01:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | 30 copper/gallon? |
| 01:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | close, NightHawkTheSane |
| 01:06.36 | NightHawkTheSane | or do you mean 30¢? |
| 01:12.32 | Cralor` | U.S. avg is around $1.83 or something |
| 01:15.10 | linear` | why does this not work local l,t = PlayerFrame:GetLeft(),PlayerFrame:GetTop(); PlayerFrame:ClearAllPoints(); PlayerFrame:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT",UIParent,"BOTTOMLEFT",l,t) |
| 01:15.17 | linear` | how do i get it to put it in the exact same spot |
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| 01:16.22 | Olorin | the l and t are adjustments |
| 01:17.34 | Cralor` | linear`: no ' |
| 01:17.38 | Cralor` | semicolons* |
| 01:18.07 | Cralor` | sometimes they can be the problem (today i had a problem with them, at least) |
| 01:18.32 | linear` | what do semicolons have to do with it |
| 01:19.06 | Cralor` | the semicolons at the end of some of your functions i am guessing could be the problem? |
| 01:19.22 | Hirsute | They result in less constipation than full colons? |
| 01:19.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: they're optional, not required but won't harm anything |
| 01:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: ... |
| 01:19.37 | Cralor` | sbo: yes they can be of harm at times |
| 01:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: only if you're doing it wrong |
| 01:19.53 | Hirsute | ... bah-dum-psssh? |
| 01:20.15 | Cralor` | RP_DB.x, RP_DB.y = pf:GetLeft(), pf:GetBottom() |
| 01:20.20 | Cralor` | cannot be GetLeft(); |
| 01:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ... that would be a prime example of doing it wrong, which linear` did not do |
| 01:20.50 | linear` | umm |
| 01:20.51 | Cralor` | okay |
| 01:21.01 | linear` | obviously u dont put a ; there |
| 01:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why semicolons are not your problem |
| 01:22.02 | linear` | i tried multiplying and dividing by uiparent effective scale doesnt help |
| 01:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (Why exactly your code isn't working, I'm not sure) |
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| 01:22.04 | Cralor` | maybe my help was not worth it? |
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| 01:24.51 | linear` | ok on the wiki it says |
| 01:24.54 | linear` | Number - distance between the bottom or left side of screen, respectively, to the requested edge of the object, in pixels, scaled according to effective scale. Or nil if the object has not been positioned, or :ClearAllPoints() has been called on it. |
| 01:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: fwiw, my friend thinks that you inline joke there is, quote, "AMAZING" |
| 01:25.07 | linear` | when it says scaled according to the effective scale is it multiplied or divided |
| 01:25.28 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Heh. I'm glad your friend got a laugh out of it. |
| 01:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: I sure did |
| 01:26.59 | Olorin | linear you need to change the GetTop() to GetBottom() |
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| 01:29.14 | Lunessa | Semi-colon - what you get after extensive surgery. |
| 01:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 01:29.44 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Aye |
| 01:30.24 | Lunessa | Last year, a guy I know had a perforated colon and had to have colonic surgery. We made all these jokes then. I have a million of them. |
| 01:31.26 | Lunessa | Ok, time to go home. Ciao. |
| 01:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | cya |
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| 01:45.54 | Amarande | hmm, is this true, that you will no longer be able to acquire pvp gear at 70 once S5 starts? |
| 01:46.25 | Amarande | apparently, it's being said that S5 will push S3 into the honor gear slot, since S3 requires rating and you can't get rating before 80, there is then no longer 70 pvp gear at all |
| 01:50.02 | bleeter | mikma: huh? |
| 01:50.35 | Amarande | or will S3 and S4 either a) never be pushed into becoming honor gear, or b) lose the rating requirement? |
| 01:51.55 | bleeter | dunno, too stupidly complex for a casual like me.. even if I were staying in the game, I'd have been giving up PvP |
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| 01:57.56 | Fisker- | Not gonna happen Mikk |
| 01:58.18 | Fisker- | as long as there is someone before mikma in the tab-completion list, they will continue to take the blame |
| 01:58.19 | Fisker- | :3 |
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| 01:59.20 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 01:59.21 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 01:59.55 | Cralor` | purl needs more entires to that one. |
| 01:59.59 | Cralor` | entries* |
| 02:00.11 | Thunder_Child | it took me long enough to make that one |
| 02:00.17 | Thunder_Child | i dont feel like making another |
| 02:00.25 | Cralor` | you made that one? nice ^_^ |
| 02:00.32 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 02:00.40 | Cralor` | purl needs dinner |
| 02:00.43 | Cralor` | ~botsnack |
| 02:00.43 | purl | Cralor`: thanks |
| 02:00.58 | Cralor` | your welcome, purl |
| 02:00.59 | Thunder_Child | i stick more in if someone makes it |
| 02:02.37 | Cralor` | does purl have a list of "commands" so to speak? |
| 02:03.58 | Thunder_Child | kida |
| 02:04.02 | Thunder_Child | kinda* |
| 02:04.24 | Thunder_Child | help does something |
| 02:04.35 | Thunder_Child | the best is to just try it |
| 02:04.41 | Thunder_Child | and if it doesnt work, put one in |
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| 02:05.34 | Cralor` | ~help purl |
| 02:05.45 | Cralor` | ~help |
| 02:05.55 | Cralor` | there we go :D |
| 02:08.34 | Cralor` | ~babelfish x en es this is cool |
| 02:08.56 | Cralor` | >_< wrong context, oh well |
| 02:11.32 | Mikk | well... it's correct =) |
| 02:11.46 | Cralor` | well... fresco as in temperature :D |
| 02:11.51 | Mikk | indeed =) |
| 02:12.08 | Mikk | ~babelfish x en sw this is cool |
| 02:12.35 | Mikk | meh |
| 02:12.40 | Mikk | ~babelfish x en de this is cool |
| 02:12.48 | Mikk | same problem ;) |
| 02:12.51 | Cralor` | ~purl |
| 02:12.52 | purl | ACTION coughs up a hairball |
| 02:13.01 | Cralor` | ~say |
| 02:13.01 | purl | say what? |
| 02:13.07 | Cralor` | ~say hi |
| 02:13.08 | purl | hi |
| 02:13.12 | Cralor` | :D |
| 02:13.21 | Cralor` | ~say you love Mikk |
| 02:13.21 | purl | you love Mikk |
| 02:13.27 | Cralor` | damn! |
| 02:13.27 | Cralor` | lol |
| 02:13.35 | Mikk | Why does your name remind me of a WoW classic |
| 02:13.38 | Cralor` | i guess i love you, Mikk |
| 02:13.45 | Mikk | The guy with THE STAFF ? |
| 02:13.53 | Cralor` | i don't know :D |
| 02:13.59 | Thunder_Child | Cralor`, you dont need the babelfish part |
| 02:14.01 | Thunder_Child | just x |
| 02:14.07 | Cralor` | oh ok |
| 02:14.09 | Thunder_Child | ~x en sp hello |
| 02:14.20 | Cralor` | ~x en es Thunder_Child |
| 02:14.26 | Cralor` | =( |
| 02:14.34 | Cralor` | ~x en es thunder |
| 02:14.44 | Cralor` | ~x en es child |
| 02:14.54 | Cralor` | trueno_nino |
| 02:15.00 | Cralor` | :P |
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| 02:33.27 | WobWork | http://www.awkwardrules.net/ |
| 02:33.40 | WobWork | ~x en es Wobin |
| 02:34.56 | Cralor` | :P |
| 02:35.32 | Cralor` | you still at work, wobin? |
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| 02:36.30 | WobWork | yes |
| 02:36.40 | WobWork | halfway through the day =) |
| 02:37.02 | Thunder_Child | ~en de poop |
| 02:38.21 | Xiro | question.. if I have a table, say.. tbl[key], and I wanted to see if tbl[key] was not nil... what's the best method for that? Currently, I'm doing " if tbl[key] ~= nil then <do something> end", if it IS nil, I get an error about attempting to index field 'key' a nil value... |
| 02:38.26 | Xiro | I hope I explained that ok |
| 02:38.43 | Iriel | Xiro You did, you're doing something else wrong though |
| 02:38.55 | Iriel | since tbl[key] ~= nil is the right test |
| 02:39.24 | WobWork | perhaps pastey your code\ |
| 02:39.33 | Xiro | kk, one sec |
| 02:42.04 | Xiro | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103612 |
| 02:42.25 | WobWork | you're checking if the table is nil |
| 02:42.30 | WobWork | but not the indexed key |
| 02:42.33 | Iriel | twice, actually |
| 02:42.40 | Iriel | I think that [uid] is missing on line 3 |
| 02:43.05 | Xiro | oops, yeah.. had to reformat it a little because it didn't like the paste.. let me fix it.. my bad |
| 02:43.39 | Xiro | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103613 |
| 02:43.44 | WobWork | also, line 5, you've already checked that uid is existing |
| 02:43.45 | Iriel | Always paste your actual code, if you have to alter the code during the paste then check the new code still doesn't work 8-) |
| 02:44.03 | Xiro | I"m somewhat new to lua, and I tend to get lost in tables from time to time |
| 02:44.27 | Iriel | This error you get, is it thrown from completely different code? |
| 02:44.36 | Iriel | I'm suspicious that lootIdentifier() is your culprit |
| 02:45.09 | Iriel | You dont have a variable called 'key' anywhere in that code, yet the error message refers to one |
| 02:45.30 | WobWork | I think tbl[key] was just a generalisation |
| 02:45.35 | WobWork | on Xiro's behalf |
| 02:45.45 | Xiro | I was actually getting the error from line 3 |
| 02:46.01 | Xiro | I'll check the other function just to be certain thgouh |
| 02:46.03 | Xiro | though* |
| 02:46.15 | Iriel | Xiro: What was the EXACT error text? |
| 02:46.25 | WobWork | and the exact code |
| 02:46.34 | Iriel | Xiro: That helps a lot when trying to figure out what your problem is because your code looks right, as you've pasted it |
| 02:47.52 | Xiro | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103614 |
| 02:48.46 | WobWork | yes |
| 02:49.06 | WobWork | your problem is you're checking if the key exists, but not if the key exists in the table |
| 02:49.26 | WobWork | actually, that should work |
| 02:49.44 | Xiro | oh, I should probably mention it only sometimes errors :/ |
| 02:49.55 | Iriel | As an efficiency note... |
| 02:50.08 | Iriel | You have a redundant call to UnitGUID("target") |
| 02:50.32 | Xiro | let's say you run an instance... you AoE 10 mobs.. they all drop on top of eachother and you begin to loot.. it won't error until say you loot the 8th mob, next time the 4th, and so on |
| 02:50.33 | Iriel | if you just did uid = UnitGUID("target'); if (uid) then .... end; it'd be better |
| 02:50.43 | Iriel | Also, what is 'Obj' |
| 02:50.50 | Iriel | you're not sharing the whole code again |
| 02:51.05 | WobWork | it would 'sometime' error if there is no 'obj' |
| 02:51.07 | Iriel | And what field does it complain about in the error? |
| 02:51.18 | Xiro | Obj is a large global object, that is built from multiple functions |
| 02:51.21 | Iriel | is it obj, loottbl, or uid ? |
| 02:51.35 | Iriel | I suggest you call it something less generic than Obj 8-) |
| 02:51.44 | Iriel | XirosCoolAddon_Data, for example |
| 02:51.47 | Xiro | it's complaining @ this line: if uid ~= nil and loottbl[uid] ~= nil then |
| 02:52.06 | Xiro | and Obj is not my naming scheme... This isn't my code, just making modifications |
| 02:52.18 | Iriel | That makes no sense unless loottbl is sometimes nil |
| 02:52.28 | Iriel | which also makes no sense |
| 02:52.31 | Iriel | given that you check that |
| 02:52.32 | Xiro | but if it was, we'd catch it |
| 02:52.40 | WobWork | it's complaining that 'uid' is nil? |
| 02:53.13 | Iriel | Xiro: Are you sure you're testing against up-to-date code? |
| 02:53.15 | Xiro | looks like uid is actually an encrypted value... bleh |
| 02:53.16 | Xiro | attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 02:53.17 | Xiro | Thottbot-94\ThottbotEngine.lua:5313: in function `Thottbot_OnEvent' |
| 02:53.17 | Xiro | <string>:"*:OnEvent":1: in function <[string "*:OnEvent"]:1> |
| 02:53.25 | Iriel | i.e. did you possibly fix the bug, and just not update |
| 02:53.55 | Xiro | no no.. this is my code running, I've verified the changes using debug statements, printing data along the way |
| 02:54.12 | Xiro | I'm really not trying to be difficult... I swear :P |
| 02:54.46 | Iriel | Is there any code that puts a metatable on loottbl ? |
| 02:55.49 | Xiro | ya know.. I think I just found the issue |
| 02:56.00 | Xiro | the table data expires after x time |
| 02:56.24 | Iriel | lua is single threaded |
| 02:56.31 | Iriel | so nothing else can 'magically remove entries' |
| 02:57.22 | Xiro | yeah, but the timer is set via another function, then that table is defined globally, then waits for the event to fire... would that still not happen? |
| 02:57.22 | WobWork | Obj is a terribile global name =P What was Thott thinking? |
| 02:57.35 | Iriel | Thott's code is crap |
| 02:57.41 | Iriel | really, some of the worst i've ever seen |
| 02:57.41 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:57.57 | Iriel | some of it uses single letter globals |
| 02:58.03 | Xiro | no comment... |
| 02:58.12 | Xiro | welcome to my life |
| 02:58.22 | Iriel | Xiro: It'd be very unlikely to happen in the middle of another function, unless something very convoluted goes on |
| 02:58.36 | Thunder_Child | you people are so harsh |
| 02:58.36 | Iriel | Xiro: and nothing I see in this snippet would do that UNLESS there are metatables involved |
| 02:58.37 | Xiro | I think I'm just going to rewrite it |
| 02:58.58 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Do you think it's okay for an addon to use S (or was it T) as a saved variable? |
| 02:59.05 | Iriel | I think it was T |
| 02:59.11 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, wasnt his stuf way in the begning? |
| 02:59.22 | WobWork | no excuse not to rewrite |
| 02:59.22 | Iriel | Yes, but it was never maintained |
| 02:59.26 | Iriel | and that's inexcusable |
| 02:59.29 | WobWork | also, no excuse =) |
| 02:59.45 | Thunder_Child | hmm...well iwas talking about the origional writing |
| 02:59.46 | Xiro | well, I'm learning, and I'm trying to fix anything I can |
| 02:59.50 | WobWork | single letter globals are terrible at any stage of development |
| 03:00.02 | WobWork | esp for a multiuser environment |
| 03:00.05 | Iriel | Xiro: 2 questions |
| 03:00.12 | WobWork | if it were World of Thottbot, that -might- be fine |
| 03:00.16 | Iriel | Xiro: (1) is loottbl global? |
| 03:00.54 | Iriel | Xiro: and (2) what does print(tostring(getmetatable(loottbl))) result in? |
| 03:00.57 | Xiro | yes |
| 03:01.05 | Xiro | checking... |
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| 03:02.48 | Iriel | Also, you declared timeout local, but then called it exp in allt he rest of the code |
| 03:04.03 | Xiro | nil' |
| 03:04.44 | Xiro | I'm going to just rewrite this I think |
| 03:04.48 | WobWork | rawr =P |
| 03:04.57 | Iriel | Xiro: A couple of suggested improvements in here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103615 |
| 03:06.36 | Xiro | Iriel: thanks for the help, that looks much more manageable |
| 03:07.23 | WobWork | local entry = uid and loottbl[entry]; |
| 03:07.29 | WobWork | That's terribly arcane =P |
| 03:07.40 | Iriel | Also, wrong 8-) Thanks for noticing |
| 03:07.47 | bleeter | stupid question of the day: are jeffery and larry kaplan related at all? |
| 03:08.00 | Iriel | Xiro: Fixed: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103616 |
| 03:08.09 | Iriel | WobWork: it saved another nested if / end |
| 03:08.26 | WobWork | hehe I was wondering if that was some mystical assignment method =) |
| 03:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | just a variant of a ternary operator |
| 03:08.54 | WobWork | well in the original form |
| 03:08.56 | bleeter | and if anyone asks 'who is larry kaplan' you FAIL! |
| 03:09.14 | Xiro | meh, this is not something I should be trying to on no sleep.. maybe I'll come back after a nap |
| 03:09.16 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: who's jeff kaplan? :D |
| 03:09.59 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: agreed, in comparison in the scheme of things.. a nobody ;) still, is kinda amusing/ironic they share the same surname if they're unrelated |
| 03:10.14 | bleeter | not exactly a common surname imo |
| 03:10.24 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i was mostly being a jerk. but *shrug* it's not unheard of |
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| 03:12.38 | WobWork | rawr |
| 03:14.54 | Adys | who's larry kaplan? |
| 03:17.23 | bleeter | ~fail adys |
| 03:17.24 | purl | adys: FAIL! |
| 03:17.32 | Adys | ~failwhale |
| 03:17.37 | Adys | ~whalefail |
| 03:17.40 | Adys | =( |
| 03:19.17 | Tem | Why do bad groups have to hurt this much? |
| 03:19.29 | NightHawkTheSane | tagging a DK's mob mid-air after he death grips it is amusing |
| 03:20.08 | WobWork | hehe |
| 03:20.38 | WobWork | "Get over here!" *moonfire* "arrrgh!" |
| 03:20.49 | NightHawkTheSane | well, in my case, flame shock, but yeah :) |
| 03:23.54 | cog|away | youtube down for anyone else? |
| 03:23.57 | cog|away | http://www.youtube.com/video_response_view_all?v=i7QVbJnSPQE |
| 03:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | seems so.. |
| 03:24.58 | WobWork | ooo |
| 03:25.18 | cog|away | google too? |
| 03:25.33 | WobWork | google's fine for me |
| 03:26.38 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 03:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | well fuck |
| 03:27.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Apparently usable quest items will proc the on-hostile-spell chance of http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37264 |
| 03:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i just killed a chicken i meant to loot |
| 03:27.25 | WobWork | rofl |
| 03:28.11 | WobWork | Chicken Net procced Pendulum of Telluric Currents(it crit too) murdering the chicken I was trying to catch =\ |
| 03:29.02 | Adys | oh you chicken murderer |
| 03:29.40 | cog|away | wow... all of these blogs with embedded videos are totally useless now :( |
| 03:29.42 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: heh that comment isn't me, i guess it happened to someone else too :) |
| 03:30.16 | cog|away | gg cloud |
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| 03:33.59 | cog|away | QQ |
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| 03:44.47 | Adys | bleeter: there? |
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| 04:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Dajik the Wasp Hunter says: Time for more smart Dajik tip! Try not to catch stinger with face. Not work so much. |
| 04:13.11 | Shirik | If someone has high page table characters in their name, will Blizzard convert it to equivalent low ascii characters for free? |
| 04:13.26 | Shirik | or do they have to do a paid name change? |
| 04:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | PNC |
| 04:14.26 | NightHawkTheSane | or they could try geting it reporte |
| 04:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | d |
| 04:14.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Except it's not against the rules anymore, so |
| 04:14.42 | cbreak | page table? |
| 04:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Chances of that working is slim, if that's the basis for the name change request |
| 04:15.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "high ASCII" |
| 04:15.21 | pastamancer | just have someone report them for a naming violation |
| 04:15.43 | Shirik | it's not a naming violation anymore |
| 04:16.10 | pastamancer | oh, it used to be :( |
| 04:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:14 < ScytheBlade1> Except it's not against the rules anymore, so |
| 04:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Been that way for over a year, I believe |
| 04:16.56 | cbreak | if you can use a character in name creation, I don't see a reason why it should be disallowed |
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| 04:17.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Because not everyone wants to type out twelve different alt codes to get a name in |
| 04:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And those people who use twelve alt codes in their name happen to be exessively lame |
| 04:18.54 | cbreak | I can type most accents without any codes |
| 04:19.33 | cbreak | but if people want to make themselves getting invited less, their problem anyway |
| 04:19.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you have a non english keyboard |
| 04:19.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why it /was/ a rule in the /US/ for quite a while |
| 04:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: not really true.. |
| 04:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | os x has fairly straightforward combinations for most common "high ascii" characters |
| 04:21.31 | cbreak | most accents come in a detached form. ~Â for example. |
| 04:21.39 | cbreak | I can build õ or ñ easily with it |
| 04:21.56 | cbreak | same with `, ´, ¨ and so on. |
| 04:22.02 | kd3 | rofl! I took more than 1 hit from patchwerk |
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| 04:22.26 | cbreak | I like ice block too kd3 :) |
| 04:22.37 | kd3 | not even. we were wiping |
| 04:22.40 | kd3 | s |
| 04:22.50 | kd3 | one hit for 12, one for 13 |
| 04:25.28 | kd3 | I've got something like 16k raidbuffed |
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| 04:32.37 | WobWork | I have a few characters with highascii |
| 04:32.43 | WobWork | cause names are running out, yo =P |
| 04:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I just think of original names. ;) |
| 04:35.47 | Shirik | !g HTTP 302 |
| 04:35.48 | batbot | Shirik: HTTP 302 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_302> |
| 04:36.17 | WobWork | I want my names to mean something =P |
| 04:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | mine do. :p |
| 04:37.03 | WobWork | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/fail-owned-chacha-question-fail.jpg |
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| 04:39.44 | Corrodias | awesome. |
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| 04:50.12 | Shirik | wtf is chacha? |
| 04:50.31 | WobWork | careful, if you ask that question =P |
| 04:50.36 | WobWork | who knows what answer you'll get =P |
| 04:50.59 | WobWork | I'm assuming it's one of those "Ask us a question and we'll answer it" type services |
| 04:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: win. |
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| 04:52.50 | Corrodias | apparently, it's handy with answers about sexual positions |
| 04:54.02 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE a sexual position |
| 04:54.18 | Amarande | LOL |
| 04:54.33 | Cidan | ... |
| 04:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | http://futurismic.com/2008/12/03/erotic-science-fiction-and-fantasy-flash-fiction-advent-calendar/ |
| 04:54.42 | WobWork | hm |
| 04:54.45 | Corrodias | there should be one named after me |
| 04:54.48 | WobWork | How to do the Corrodias |
| 04:54.56 | WobWork | and does it require more than two people? |
| 04:55.26 | Corrodias | possibly, but they don't touch each other. |
| 04:55.45 | WobWork | It probably requires an internet connection too, eh? |
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| 05:07.12 | bleeter | Adys: where? |
| 05:08.39 | Adys | bleeter: gtalk;p |
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| 05:20.31 | Amarande | hmm, other things that have been around for ages that I've somehow never seen ... |
| 05:20.37 | Amarande | I have never, ever actually laid eyes on Ysondre. |
| 05:21.35 | Amarande | I can't count the number of times I've been by the Emerald Dream portals, but I've never seen Ysondre. |
| 05:23.25 | Tekkub | heh, Cairenn would love my retarded cat |
| 05:23.31 | Amarande | what's it do? |
| 05:23.34 | Tekkub | he jumps up on the bed, yells at me... |
| 05:23.35 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 05:23.48 | Tekkub | the're some change lying there that fell out of Trey's pocket |
| 05:24.05 | Tekkub | he starts to walk towards me, the change slides down and touches hois paw |
| 05:24.16 | Tekkub | he proceeds to jump str8 up 2 ft |
| 05:24.21 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:24.32 | Cairenn | stupid cats |
| 05:24.36 | Tekkub | lands on the change, spazzes, and jumps into the pillow against the wall |
| 05:24.53 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:24.56 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 05:25.02 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 05:25.02 | Tekkub | runs away, comes back 2 min later on the other side of the bed, and yells at me again |
| 05:25.07 | Amarande | How's the day been? |
| 05:25.36 | Cairenn | it's been |
| 05:25.37 | Cairenn | you? |
| 05:25.49 | Amarande | pretty good |
| 05:25.56 | Cairenn | cool |
| 05:27.07 | Amarande | anything much going on? |
| 05:27.36 | Cairenn | naw, pretty much ssdd |
| 05:27.56 | Shirik | ssdd? |
| 05:28.06 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:28.08 | Shirik | I figured it out |
| 05:28.10 | Cairenn | same s(tuff), different day |
| 05:28.32 | Amarande | they fixed the character transfer bug, so I'm back on my old favorite server |
| 05:28.40 | Amarande | relaxing, working on the EK exploration achievements |
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| 05:30.56 | Amarande | btw, do felguards always get bad names? LOL |
| 05:30.57 | Thunder_Child | SHIT! |
| 05:32.37 | cog|away | no u? |
| 05:33.23 | Amarande | apparently mine's name turns out to be 'Leeshmawl'. |
| 05:34.53 | cog|away | good one... my lock was luckily able to "fix" hers with the abandon trick way back when |
| 05:36.10 | Corrodias | hmm. leash maul. |
| 05:37.17 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11829506503&sid=1 |
| 05:39.56 | Sixen | lol |
| 05:39.58 | Sixen | Mankrik's Wife. |
| 05:40.58 | WobWork | I <3 the ghoul names |
| 05:42.23 | Shirik | error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int |
| 05:42.28 | Shirik | So what's the point of saying "int assumed" >.> |
| 05:42.29 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:42.35 | Amarande | now to figure out how you get over to the DK area on another class |
| 05:42.39 | Amarande | since apparently I need to to explore EPL |
| 05:46.14 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Nothing to figure out. You can get to the far East of EPL by going through Tyr's Hand, or a tunnel just north of Ebon Hold. |
| 05:47.29 | cog|away | ~lart Adys |
| 05:47.29 | purl | hooks into a hydrant and hoses Adys down |
| 05:47.38 | Adys | mm? |
| 05:47.49 | Adys | O_o |
| 05:48.04 | cog|away | (post #27 :P) |
| 05:48.33 | Adys | haha |
| 05:53.37 | WobWork | oh god |
| 05:53.52 | WobWork | can you imagine if a DK raises dead with a ghoul named "MankirksWife"? =) |
| 05:54.15 | Adys | mm hot necro mankirk porn. |
| 05:55.02 | WobWork | Although, I think the suggestion of having your ghouls be named after a random opposite faction character.... |
| 05:57.13 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:57.16 | Amarande | every time I go through tyr's hand |
| 05:57.28 | Amarande | I feel the need to kill every scarlet archmage I see, even if I'm only passing through |
| 05:58.48 | Amarande | and yes, specifically the archmages |
| 05:59.13 | Corrodias | why? |
| 06:00.05 | Amarande | Corrodias: they can drop crusader enchant |
| 06:00.18 | Amarande | which falls squarely onto the 'ooh shiney' list |
| 06:00.53 | Corrodias | ah |
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| 06:05.43 | Thunder_Child | dear lord thats an ugly woman http://www.lookpic.com/files/vs2.JPG |
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| 06:09.16 | WobWork | not exactly encouraging me to visit that link =P |
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| 06:10.53 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, it's the victoria secret fashon show |
| 06:11.45 | WobWork | and it went terribly wrong? |
| 06:12.17 | Tekkub | well now that's interesting |
| 06:12.20 | Thunder_Child | no, i just think that it is a pad picture to use as the "face" of the fashion show |
| 06:12.29 | Tekkub | any one else's friend notes get padded with spaces at the end? |
| 06:12.40 | Thunder_Child | no, i dont have friends |
| 06:13.08 | Corrodias | that's not ugly... |
| 06:13.33 | Corrodias | might depend on whose standards you're talking about, but it's perfectly decent from what i've seen |
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| 06:16.40 | Thunder_Child | meh Corrodias, she might be pretty, but that shot is horrid |
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| 06:20.09 | Amarande | hmm, this can't be right |
| 06:20.14 | Amarande | petopia lists The Beast as tameable |
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| 06:20.22 | Amarande | however, you can't tame mobs higher level than you, and ?? Bosses are always +3 levels to you |
| 06:20.39 | KernalKrunK | Hi all |
| 06:21.36 | Tekkub | uh, it's not +3 levels above you |
| 06:21.46 | WobWork | Amarande: I'm fairly sure I've seen hunters tame him |
| 06:21.48 | Tekkub | The Best is 63 :P |
| 06:21.54 | WobWork | he's just 'hidden' |
| 06:21.58 | WobWork | to be ?? Boss |
| 06:22.26 | Tekkub | if it was +3 levels _above you_ all those instances would scale to your level |
| 06:23.08 | KernalKrunK | arent all bosses just though of as lvl+3 for theory crafting? |
| 06:23.22 | Tekkub | for the level they're designed for |
| 06:23.27 | Tekkub | 60 instance, 63 boss |
| 06:23.33 | Tekkub | 80 instance, 83 boss |
| 06:25.48 | NightHawkTheSane | well, boss flagged mobs are treated as level+3 for certain things |
| 06:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | glancing, miss rate, crush rate (not anymore, .. but) |
| 06:30.06 | Corrodias | you could go in at level 1 and your attacks and defences would act like the boss was level 4. if it allowed you to enter at level 1, that is. |
| 06:30.21 | Corrodias | however, its damage, health, and other level-independent things would not change |
| 06:31.57 | Corrodias | as for their actual "level", vague half-memories of data from allakhazam give me reason to believe it's either 0 or 500. but it could be any special number i guess. |
| 06:32.22 | Tekkub | 500 and -1 were just ways they hid the "real" level |
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| 06:37.37 | Thunder_Child | Bikini Zombie Slayer and Bikini Samurai Squad makes me want to kill game developers |
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| 07:00.46 | ReAn | ok, i need unitframes to replace pitbull atm, other than xperl (which is junk imho) and agu, anyone have any good Unit Frame Packages? |
| 07:02.14 | Tekkub | oUF_* |
| 07:06.45 | Adys | Ok this is taking the piss |
| 07:07.16 | Adys | Why is there cthun whispering me "Death is close" when I'm fishing in crystal lake at 8am? |
| 07:07.24 | Adys | it's the second time. |
| 07:07.41 | Tekkub | uh, in NR? |
| 07:07.48 | Tekkub | that's not thuny |
| 07:07.54 | Adys | well |
| 07:08.01 | Adys | its just in front of the creepy kids' house |
| 07:08.11 | Adys | the one that made an entire 666pentagonwhatever conspiracy on youtube |
| 07:08.31 | Tekkub | is this in NR? |
| 07:08.37 | Adys | NR? |
| 07:08.41 | Tekkub | Northrend |
| 07:08.43 | Tem | creepy kid house is in elwynn forest |
| 07:08.45 | Adys | crystal lake |
| 07:08.46 | Adys | elwynn |
| 07:08.50 | Tekkub | oh |
| 07:08.55 | Tekkub | fuck if I know then |
| 07:09.12 | Tekkub | you never turn in that "take this thing to your leader" quest from the invasion? |
| 07:09.21 | Adys | yeah i did |
| 07:09.28 | Adys | that shit was creepy enough as it is |
| 07:09.30 | Tekkub | you're just hearing shit then |
| 07:09.37 | Adys | hey, it's the second time |
| 07:09.43 | Adys | I just want my fucking achievement |
| 07:09.47 | Tekkub | so you're consistanly insane |
| 07:09.58 | Tekkub | [Hearing Voices]? |
| 07:10.13 | Tekkub | heh, there should be one of those |
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| 07:10.23 | Adys | :( |
| 07:11.09 | Tekkub | have C'thun, Yaggy, the stupid escort in Shatt |
| 07:11.48 | Shirik | okay this can't be right |
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| 07:16.07 | Adys | right |
| 07:16.10 | Adys | http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3857 |
| 07:16.12 | Adys | post by roblore |
| 07:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ping |
| 07:17.32 | Tekkub | "Teldrassil is one of the most interesting places in WoW - and most mysterious... in addition quest text says that "creatures came up from Teldrassils core/heart or creatures rised up from the ground" or something like that. |
| 07:17.33 | Tekkub | " |
| 07:17.43 | Tekkub | that's like, totally canon or something |
| 07:17.45 | Tekkub | I think |
| 07:18.50 | Adys | further down Tekkub |
| 07:19.10 | Tekkub | I have to read more of that crap? |
| 07:19.24 | Adys | You never heard of the demonic children in Goldshire? |
| 07:19.25 | Adys | etc |
| 07:19.41 | Tekkub | NO I avoid the human zones like the plaque |
| 07:19.59 | Adys | In the grass surroanding the house there is human baby skulls. |
| 07:20.00 | Adys | wtf |
| 07:20.03 | Adys | im going back there |
| 07:20.05 | Adys | didnt see that |
| 07:21.19 | Tekkub | where is this shit now? |
| 07:21.32 | Adys | ctrl f |
| 07:21.47 | Tekkub | You have no target |
| 07:21.58 | Adys | crystal lake |
| 07:22.05 | Tekkub | yea I'm there |
| 07:22.09 | Tekkub | mulocs, joy |
| 07:22.12 | Adys | see the dock? |
| 07:22.16 | Tekkub | da |
| 07:22.47 | Adys | its the house behind it |
| 07:23.06 | Shirik | Tekkub: "canon"? |
| 07:23.19 | Tekkub | I just see leather and skinning trainers |
| 07:23.27 | Adys | go up the house |
| 07:23.35 | Tekkub | I'm in the house |
| 07:24.42 | Adys | upstairs |
| 07:24.44 | Adys | you see the kids? |
| 07:24.50 | ReAn | oUF layouts are pinned to specific positions right? |
| 07:24.50 | Adys | and turn the music on |
| 07:24.50 | Tekkub | nothing upstairs |
| 07:24.57 | Adys | then they're elsewhere |
| 07:25.02 | ReAn | you have to edit the layout to change the location of stuff right? |
| 07:25.42 | Tekkub | ReAn, yes that's kinda the whole point |
| 07:26.07 | Tekkub | instead of blowing lots of resources making it customizable in-game, you customize it directly in the code |
| 07:26.30 | ReAn | hrm |
| 07:26.31 | Adys | is it that big a difference? |
| 07:26.35 | Adys | perfwise |
| 07:26.36 | ReAn | may have to write my own >_> |
| 07:26.40 | Adys | because pitbull is laggy |
| 07:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ping for whenever you wake up. What's the diff command you use on your WoW UI diffs? Just for comparison with mine |
| 07:26.51 | Tekkub | you ever notice how LIEK HUEG agUF is? |
| 07:27.03 | Tekkub | oUF is like, tiny, it rocks |
| 07:27.05 | Adys | i dont remember |
| 07:27.15 | ReAn | and xperl is just poop |
| 07:27.23 | Tekkub | oUF_tek.. ~104 KiB |
| 07:27.49 | ReAn | that a personal layout? |
| 07:28.01 | Tekkub | yes |
| 07:28.07 | ReAn | :D |
| 07:29.13 | Thunder_Child | is there an addon that compares the market price of a type of ores and bars and tell which is selling for more? |
| 07:29.34 | Tekkub | PANDA! |
| 07:29.34 | Thunder_Child | eg, cheaper to seel as an ore, bare, or composite bar |
| 07:29.38 | Thunder_Child | sell* |
| 07:29.40 | Tekkub | if something gives it prices |
| 07:29.42 | Thunder_Child | bar* |
| 07:29.52 | Tekkub | oh bars, it don't show bars |
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| 07:29.59 | Tekkub | what ore specifically? |
| 07:30.04 | Thunder_Child | any |
| 07:30.11 | Thunder_Child | just a way to see what the best price would be |
| 07:30.13 | Tekkub | NR ore, always sell as ore |
| 07:30.18 | Tekkub | others, probably bar em up |
| 07:30.49 | Tekkub | might be questionable with fel iron and adaman |
| 07:31.14 | Thunder_Child | but not always. so, there is no addon that can do what i am asking? |
| 07:31.19 | Tekkub | uncommons, always bar |
| 07:32.00 | Tekkub | Auctioneer? :P |
| 07:32.21 | Adys | auctionator is nice |
| 07:32.38 | Thunder_Child | yes, but i dont think it can do comparisons like that |
| 07:38.00 | Nechckn_AFK | auctionator is nice if you are looking for something to undercut auctions... and it does that well |
| 07:38.26 | Nechckn_AFK | auctioneer can do that, too- but will do what you are looking for, and more, obviously. |
| 07:38.49 | Thunder_Child | what is "that"? |
| 07:38.50 | Nechckn_AFK | Just look at the specific items on the AH or in your bag and compare the per-item price of the ore or bars |
| 07:40.00 | Nechckn_AFK | before selling each day, I do that - it really depends on the day. Sometimes bars are much better, others folks are looking to skill up, so the ore is actually a better selling value. |
| 07:40.20 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn_AFK, that means you have to average out the price of an item (which auctioneer can do) then you have to find the price of ore, then the price of the bar per ore, then the price a refined bar per bar per ore, etc. |
| 07:41.07 | Thunder_Child | and there can be quite a few refines per ore |
| 07:41.40 | Nechckn_AFK | Yep- but I'm just talking about the direct ore- bar types |
| 07:42.04 | Thunder_Child | but what my friend wants is a program to crunch all of the numbers |
| 07:42.09 | Nechckn_AFK | it takes about 2 minutes to do the comparisons for all of the ore/bar types above iron |
| 07:42.15 | Thunder_Child | and spit out the best value |
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| 07:43.07 | Nechckn_AFK | Actually.... Skillet, the lilsparky clone will do that |
| 07:44.11 | Nechckn_AFK | http://www.wowace.com/projects/skillet/repositories/lilsparkys-clone/files/ |
| 07:44.16 | Nechckn_AFK | that one, specifically |
| 07:44.21 | Nechckn_AFK | the r156 |
| 07:45.14 | Nechckn_AFK | It uses the auctioneer values- then you can easily see which is the better option |
| 07:45.36 | Nechckn_AFK | you can set it for the "best price" the "ah price" or the "vendor price" on the fly |
| 07:45.47 | Nechckn_AFK | so, it's nice, easy, and fast =) |
| 07:45.59 | Nechckn_AFK | I'll send you my bill, Thunder_Child |
| 07:46.37 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn_AFK, ok, but if it doesnt do whats needed i want a refund....and dont tell me about the fine print |
| 07:47.03 | Nechckn_AFK | no fine print, it's actually quite large ;-) |
| 07:47.43 | Nechckn_AFK | just have them pick the "LSW:Profit" as the sorting method and "Flat" as the grouping method |
| 07:48.16 | Nechckn_AFK | It's really, really nice. I do it the manual way, just because I forget, for the most part |
| 07:48.33 | Nechckn_AFK | but that should do what they want- and alot more |
| 07:49.05 | Nechckn_AFK | Ok... so... question about Alchemy - is transmute Archanite totally off of a cooldown now? |
| 07:49.26 | Nechckn_AFK | as in, I can give 12 crystals and bars to an alchemist and get 12 arcanite bars in return? |
| 07:49.35 | ccox | yes, no more cooldown for arcanite |
| 07:50.06 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, just grab tekauc and panda, and tweak panda to show you ore and bars :P |
| 07:50.12 | ccox | but you better be friendly with the alchemist, or tip well |
| 07:50.19 | Nechckn_AFK | damn, that shows how long it's been since I used my alchemist... |
| 07:50.32 | Thunder_Child | stop trying to whore your addons Tekkub |
| 07:50.34 | Nechckn_AFK | I used to make a decent amount making those bars |
| 07:50.58 | Tekkub | tekauc's faster'n Auctioneer, and smaller, if all you care about is the current price :) |
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| 08:09.31 | Shirik | uh... anyone here know C++? :) |
| 08:09.42 | zenzio | some |
| 08:09.59 | Shirik | know about pure virtual functions? |
| 08:10.33 | cog|away | ~asktoask |
| 08:10.34 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 08:10.35 | cog|away | imo |
| 08:10.38 | cog|away | :P |
| 08:10.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:10.41 | Shirik | Ok |
| 08:10.47 | Shirik | But for the record I didn't ask to ask the question! |
| 08:10.49 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/IgkzbQ5u |
| 08:11.02 | Shirik | I don't see why that error (last line of the code) should happen |
| 08:11.10 | Shirik | it's a pure virtual function; I'm not SUPPOSED to define the code |
| 08:13.50 | Tem | leveling my enchating in the 250s just got -really- painful |
| 08:13.58 | Tem | it only gets worse from here, doesn't it? |
| 08:21.54 | mikma | tem: yes, it does |
| 08:22.03 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.24 | Tem | the cheapest way I can find to get to 275 is by doing this one enchant 20 times |
| 08:22.35 | Tem | to do that, I'll need 20 greater nether essences |
| 08:22.35 | mikma | be ready to spend 1k-2k to get it into 375 |
| 08:22.46 | Tem | which sell for 10g a peice on my sever |
| 08:23.04 | Tem | 1-150 was basically free |
| 08:23.21 | Tem | in the last hundred points I've probably spent ~200g |
| 08:23.38 | mikma | tem: what level is your char? |
| 08:23.44 | Tem | thankfully I've been selling enough DE to have actually not spent any money |
| 08:23.45 | Shirik | don't matter |
| 08:23.50 | Shirik | he could be lv 100 and he'd still be noob |
| 08:24.02 | Tem | my enchanter is level 48 |
| 08:24.02 | mikma | it matters alot |
| 08:24.09 | mikma | oh =( |
| 08:24.33 | Tem | I'll have to level him a few more times to hit 50 so he can actualy learn up to 375 |
| 08:25.15 | mikma | if he would hafve been 80 it would have been pisseasy to get the mats by farming instances |
| 08:27.07 | zenzio | Shirik: quite a peculiar problem, can't seem to find a logical explanation :-| |
| 08:27.25 | Tem | mikma, I'm currently trying to farm ST on my mage |
| 08:27.31 | Tem | and it's not going well |
| 08:27.38 | cog|away | Shirik: my first instinct was project setting problem. Second was somehow you're instantiating the base class. |
| 08:27.51 | Tem | I've cleared ~half the instance and only seen 2 greens |
| 08:27.58 | cog|away | though i really should be sleeping right now so that's free to make no sense :P |
| 08:28.00 | Shirik | I should be able to instantiate the base class, it's illegal :/ I've worked around the problem by defining that function |
| 08:28.07 | Shirik | we'll see if it pops up at runtime |
| 08:28.23 | mikma | tem you need to grab your best friend with you |
| 08:28.58 | Tem | mikma, why? |
| 08:29.55 | mikma | because farming instances is fun with friend |
| 08:30.40 | Tem | eh |
| 08:30.45 | Tem | I hate farming in general |
| 08:30.57 | Tem | I'm just not willing to pay 10g a pop for the essences I need |
| 08:31.12 | Tem | but I did just pull the entire dragon room at once |
| 08:31.14 | Tem | that was fun |
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| 08:33.00 | Tem | (not one green in it, btw) |
| 08:36.00 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/brock_eyes.png |
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| 08:42.40 | Tem | fuck this |
| 08:42.49 | mikma | ok |
| 08:42.51 | Tem | I didn't kill enough stuff |
| 08:42.59 | Tem | so I can't fight Eranikus |
| 08:43.14 | Tem | Also, Malfurion Stormrage has a quest for me? |
| 08:43.31 | mikma | ~poop |
| 08:43.32 | purl | for me to poop on! |
| 08:43.50 | Tem | ooh AQ scepter |
| 08:44.03 | Tem | I guess my mage /did/ get broodlord head back in the day |
| 08:44.30 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/ac6e/?cpg=84H |
| 08:44.37 | Thunder_Child | TRIBBLES! |
| 08:45.34 | mikma | wow! tinypad supports items now! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4417-TinyPad.html |
| 08:48.52 | Thunder_Child | ok, so who wants a puzzle with 19.5 duoquinquagintillion permutations? |
| 08:49.15 | Thunder_Child | no takers? |
| 08:51.29 | Tem | only if even a caveman could do it |
| 08:51.47 | Thunder_Child | yep, anyone can do it with random chance |
| 08:51.56 | Thunder_Child | 1.95 x 10^160 |
| 08:52.13 | Tem | pass |
| 08:52.36 | Thunder_Child | you dont like rubix cube? |
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| 08:53.18 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11828-GatherSage2.html |
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| 09:00.58 | Thunder_Child | C:\WINDOWS |
| 09:00.59 | Thunder_Child | C:\WINDOWS\GO |
| 09:01.03 | Thunder_Child | C:\PC\CRAWL |
| 09:01.13 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 09:01.26 | Tekkub | C |
| 09:01.29 | Tekkub | C:\ |
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| 09:01.39 | Tekkub | C:\Windows |
| 09:01.47 | Tekkub | RUN C;\Windows RUN |
| 09:02.28 | Thunder_Child | Real Programmers Don't Document If it was hard to write,it should be hard to understand |
| 09:02.52 | Tem | >If you're happy and you know it, Syntax Error. |
| 09:02.54 | Thunder_Child | You know you're an engineer if you have no life & can prove it mathematically. |
| 09:02.56 | Tem | Syntax Error! |
| 09:03.30 | Tekkub | there any recipes that create a variable number of an item (not talking crushing here) |
| 09:03.33 | Tekkub | ? |
| 09:03.57 | Tem | mastery |
| 09:04.03 | Tem | elixir mastery ect |
| 09:04.07 | Tem | etc* |
| 09:04.19 | Tem | also tailors with cloth specialties |
| 09:04.20 | Tekkub | I mean for everyone, not specific specializations |
| 09:04.38 | Tem | not that I can think og |
| 09:04.40 | Tem | of |
| 09:04.40 | nevcairiel | pygmy oil |
| 09:04.42 | nevcairiel | 1-2 |
| 09:04.58 | Tekkub | blast! |
| 09:05.01 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40195 |
| 09:05.03 | Tekkub | I knew there had to be one |
| 09:05.12 | nevcairiel | there are others, too |
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| 09:05.34 | nevcairiel | some of the bombs for engineers can produce multiple, iirc |
| 09:05.42 | Tekkub | okey well that got me what I needed to know :) |
| 09:06.23 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6714 |
| 09:06.24 | nevcairiel | 1-3 :p |
| 09:07.20 | Tem | crap |
| 09:07.32 | foxlit | /.: "an RTS AI took a FPS AI out for a couple of drinks, and the resulting offspring would be an awesome AI that can work in teams to defeat all humans." |
| 09:07.32 | Tem | a fish mat for alchemy |
| 09:07.37 | Tem | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 09:07.42 | Tem | I _not_ leveling fishing |
| 09:07.47 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 09:07.56 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 09:08.04 | nevcairiel | You basically only need it for the mana regen flask |
| 09:08.39 | nevcairiel | Oh and two potions, didnt see them before in the list |
| 09:09.43 | Tem | mrph |
| 09:09.50 | Tem | oh well |
| 09:09.53 | Tem | bed time |
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| 09:17.26 | abyx | how do i make ScrollingMessageFrame itemlinks clickable? |
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| 09:30.30 | Arrowmaster | you have to make the frame clickable if its even possible |
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| 09:32.47 | Shirik | found it cog|sleep :) |
| 09:35.05 | Shirik | It was actually a compiler bug |
| 09:35.09 | Shirik | ... sorta |
| 09:35.40 | Shirik | I'm not really sure what to call it :) The compiler should have warned me for what I was doing. The linker should have accepted it, and I should have gotten a run-time error "pure virtual function call" |
| 09:35.51 | Shirik | The linker isn't supposed to give an error, even if the code is indeed in error |
| 09:35.59 | Shirik | it's valid code :P |
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| 09:50.56 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/31851 |
| 09:51.13 | Tekkub | Chunk Norris doesn't yield to the block, the block yields to Chunk Norris |
| 09:52.00 | foxlit | python? |
| 09:58.32 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyl9FMHRfOE |
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| 11:10.42 | Wobin_ | awww |
| 11:10.49 | Wobin_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XJQTaC-R6w |
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| 11:13.11 | Wobin_ | also: PSA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45pSEtKRsiQ |
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| 11:30.11 | abyx | can you get item icon path from just item link? |
| 11:30.41 | nevcairiel | you can call a function that gives you the icon |
| 11:30.49 | abyx | what is that function? |
| 11:31.17 | nevcairiel | GetItemIcon |
| 11:31.23 | nevcairiel | takes the link as parameter |
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| 11:47.44 | Shirik | my assembler works :) |
| 11:47.53 | Shirik | though it seems a little overly paranoid about issuing warnings |
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| 11:56.26 | Kalroth | xShirik86 ?! |
| 11:56.42 | Shirik | not an x86 assembler :) |
| 11:56.48 | Shirik | it's a MARIE assembler |
| 11:56.57 | Shirik | the instruction set we're using in a class of mine |
| 11:57.28 | Kalroth | MARIE assembler? I bet the instructions are like "do dishes" and "take trash out". |
| 11:57.37 | Shirik | er, no >< |
| 11:57.47 | Shirik | Though several people were making fun of one of my test suite functions, testBra()... |
| 11:57.55 | Kalroth | haha |
| 11:58.02 | Shirik | BRA = Branch Always |
| 11:58.13 | Kalroth | yup |
| 12:00.21 | Shirik | heh, I found why it's overly paranoid with warnings |
| 12:00.43 | Shirik | When creating an 8-bit constant, I said "if value < 128" instead of "if value < -128" to throw a warning >.> |
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| 12:03.59 | nevcairiel | hah |
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| 12:27.50 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZBHZT3a-FA |
| 12:28.56 | Wobin | ahahaha, that's so adorable |
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| 13:10.31 | Shirik | !!! |
| 13:10.40 | Shirik | So I'm watching pokemon for whatever reason (it just happened to be on) |
| 13:10.55 | Shirik | Is it sad that I recognized something in the show that is not valid? |
| 13:10.57 | Shirik | I haven't played since elementary school >.> |
| 13:11.15 | abyx | whats the format of itemlinks? |
| 13:11.22 | Shirik | that is not an easy question :) |
| 13:11.38 | abyx | item:#:#:#:#:#:# but what are each of the numbers? |
| 13:11.48 | Shirik | |cFFrrggbb|Hitem:n:a:bunc:of:other:stuff|h[Text]|r |
| 13:11.52 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemLink |
| 13:11.54 | Shirik | go look it up :) |
| 13:11.58 | Shirik | I don't have it memorized |
| 13:12.06 | Shirik | all I know is the first one is the item number and I think the last is the UID |
| 13:19.12 | mikma | "We made Rune Strike a tanking tool. Really. We even made the decision in my office, and I think it was just after dinner one night." |
| 13:19.34 | Shirik | ? |
| 13:19.55 | mikma | blizz talking about rune strike and the "nerf" it will get |
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| 13:45.09 | Engale | hi |
| 13:45.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning! |
| 13:45.32 | zenzio | heya |
| 13:46.15 | Engale | could someone do me a favor and type ~wh search carrot |
| 13:47.22 | Engale | anyone? |
| 13:47.33 | Matrix110 | ~wh search slime |
| 13:47.34 | Engale | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=slime |
| 13:47.49 | Engale | ty |
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| 13:47.58 | Engale | try two words |
| 13:48.41 | Matrix110 | ~wh search disgusting ooze |
| 13:48.42 | Engale | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=disgusting+ooze |
| 13:48.59 | Engale | sweet it works |
| 13:49.08 | Engale | thanks much |
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| 13:52.18 | Engale | i made that for the people to lazy to search |
| 13:52.22 | Engale | we can search it for them here |
| 13:52.35 | Engale | and it will return the link to the search |
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| 14:05.00 | Engale | and it will return the link to the search |
| 14:05.04 | Engale | woops |
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| 15:38.13 | zenzelezz | bleh, still no sign of Sewer Stew |
| 15:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | Nom? |
| 15:41.19 | zenzelezz | been doing the same four cooking dailies since I reached Dalaran, and the last one refuses to be the daily |
| 15:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | Your syntax confuses me greatly. |
| 15:43.00 | Nom- | hai? |
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| 15:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh crap! Um, didn't mean to ping you, I was poking fun at Sewer Stew as not being nom-i-licious. |
| 15:43.39 | Nom- | lol |
| 15:44.38 | Nom- | Happens to me a lot |
| 15:44.38 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: "Our Daily Bread". There are five Dalaran cooking dailies for the achievement |
| 15:44.38 | Nom- | I still refuse to change my nick tho :P |
| 15:44.38 | Kraps | Circle of HealingRank 2 |
| 15:44.38 | Kraps | 24% of base mana*40 yd range* |
| 15:44.38 | Kraps | Instant cast |
| 15:44.38 | zenzelezz | the quest giver is stuck giving the same four |
| 15:44.38 | Kraps | Heals up to 5 friendly party or raid members within *15 yards* of the target for 288 to 318. |
| 15:44.38 | Kraps | say what? |
| 15:44.55 | zenzelezz | point based AoE heal? |
| 15:45.21 | Kraps | point based? |
| 15:45.40 | Spellshaper | needs a target to be cast |
| 15:46.01 | Kraps | ohhh!! |
| 15:46.02 | zenzelezz | Kraps: AoE that isn't centered on the caster |
| 15:46.11 | Kraps | l2read :( |
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| 15:46.23 | Spellshaper | 's like Lving Bomb, just for healing ^^ |
| 15:46.25 | [L4E]Flowy | hello |
| 15:46.40 | [L4E]Flowy | can i get the number for raidX targeting? |
| 15:46.46 | [L4E]Flowy | when i know name |
| 15:47.07 | Spellshaper | I'm still waiting for a aoe heal that has to be cast on a point on the ground, lke blizard |
| 15:47.12 | Spellshaper | like* |
| 15:47.34 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm circle of healing is similiar |
| 15:47.40 | Spellshaper | mm should be on wowwiki somewhre, duno remember the url tho |
| 15:48.24 | [L4E]Flowy | can i get the number for raidX targeting? |
| 15:48.26 | [L4E]Flowy | when i know name |
| 15:48.29 | [L4E]Flowy | ? |
| 15:48.35 | [L4E]Flowy | please |
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| 15:49.11 | [L4E]Flowy | hello ckknight |
| 15:50.29 | ckknight | howdy, [L4E]Flowy |
| 15:50.47 | Spellshaper | ah, it's raidN, raidmember with raidIndex N |
| 15:50.51 | [L4E]Flowy | do you know about raid functions? |
| 15:51.18 | [L4E]Flowy | i need to get raidX number when i know name |
| 15:51.55 | Spellshaper | mm.. |
| 15:52.24 | Spellshaper | I think you should do a loop checking for the name with GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 15:52.33 | Spellshaper | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 15:52.41 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 15:53.00 | Engale | ~wh search clefthoof |
| 15:53.00 | Engale | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=clefthoof |
| 15:53.13 | Kraps | do i open with SW:P or mindblast? |
| 15:53.15 | [L4E]Flowy | i think there is some tables for raid |
| 15:53.37 | [L4E]Flowy | and there must be this number |
| 15:54.05 | Spellshaper | look through the page, it's spmewhere on there |
| 15:54.30 | Spellshaper | gotta go catch the boss, lesson's over :s |
| 15:54.32 | Spellshaper | bye |
| 15:54.53 | Spellshaper | bus* sheesh I'm bad at writing |
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| 17:10.18 | Xiro | is there a way to find out what variable is used for a language string... for example, "Requires a personal and team arena rating of " since this is different for different languages, I would assume it's stored somewhere and a variable is called based on the language |
| 17:11.56 | pastamancer | Xiro: http://wowcompares.com/3039183/FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua?download |
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| 17:12.25 | Xiro | ah, nice.. thanks much! |
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| 17:50.09 | Tekkub | SNOWZ! |
| 17:50.21 | Lopeppeppy | Where, omg? |
| 17:51.04 | Tekkub | in my panfs |
| 17:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | No wonder your equipment is so small. You might wanna heat that area up before frostbite sets in. :) |
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| 17:53.46 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 17:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | Hyea! |
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| 17:54.57 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: that was horrible |
| 17:55.02 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | I know. My hands are cold, so I make a lot of typos. |
| 17:55.47 | pastamancer | from touching tek's snowstorm? |
| 17:55.48 | zenzelezz | you shouldn't be talking about cold hands after hearing about the snow in his pants... |
| 17:56.11 | Lopeppeppy | There's no snow in my office, just also very little heat. :) |
| 17:58.04 | pastamancer | usb hand warmers! http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2005/11/usb_handwarmers.html |
| 17:58.39 | Tekkub | damnit, milk sounded so good when I was in bed, but now that I drank it I don't feel good |
| 17:58.55 | pastamancer | did you smell it first? |
| 17:59.00 | Tekkub | it's fine |
| 17:59.32 | Shirik | MATLAB is very strange in the way it outputs numbers |
| 17:59.40 | Lopeppeppy | pastamancer... you rule. |
| 18:00.04 | pastamancer | there's also ones that look like monkeys http://www.gadget4all.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00559 but that site is really slow |
| 18:01.21 | ccox | Shirik - you could have stopped that statement after the first 4 words.... |
| 18:01.30 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:01.32 | Shirik | I need it though |
| 18:01.32 | zenzelezz | my brother bought some USB handwarmers from Deal Extreme, they work fairly well |
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| 18:01.59 | Cidan | h8 matlab |
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| 18:02.21 | ccox | I have a love-hate relationship with a lot of software |
| 18:02.26 | Amarande | G'afternoon :) |
| 18:02.29 | Amarande | ccox: you mean like Windows? |
| 18:02.45 | Cidan | I love how this article compares RPM to apt |
| 18:02.45 | ccox | But wheras PowerPoint is suckful to use and painful to watch, Matlab is just suckful to use and darn useful in it's results |
| 18:02.57 | ccox | Amarande: no, that's HATE H8 |
| 18:03.19 | Shirik | matlab is very good at designing filters |
| 18:03.45 | ccox | Shirik - and modelling complex systems, doing multidimensional matrix math, etc. |
| 18:04.00 | Amarande | hmm, two things I've learned about WoW today: |
| 18:04.05 | Cidan | Fedora still has an RPM-based system while Ubuntu has an APT-based system for managing software. |
| 18:04.14 | Amarande | 1) the sound when you open and close the achievement window reminds me *a lot* of the sounds Arahabaki make in Shin Megami Tensei games |
| 18:04.14 | ccox | their image processing and color kits are kinda useful as well |
| 18:04.28 | Amarande | 2) spiders, apparently, are never worth taking as a pet except before level 60. |
| 18:05.02 | amro | http://www.mninja.org/wowshots/expecting.jpg |
| 18:05.17 | amro | spiders are ugly insect that need to die |
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| 18:05.21 | ccox | Too bad matlab got rid of all their ui designers and went back to the engineers writing command line ui's |
| 18:05.21 | amro | +s |
| 18:05.27 | Tekkub | you just now noticed this amro? |
| 18:05.38 | Tekkub | he's said that for years |
| 18:05.58 | amro | yeah, and I haven't been to EPL for years =) |
| 18:06.06 | ccox | I LOLd the first time I saw that one |
| 18:06.22 | Amarande | amro: they made spiders not suck in 3.0 |
| 18:06.23 | Amarande | but ... |
| 18:06.29 | Amarande | the trouble is this: |
| 18:06.34 | ccox | (after so many hundreds of Tauren NPCs spoken to) |
| 18:06.47 | Amarande | 1) if you are Beast Mastery, you're going to take tame exotic pet even if you aren't using an exotic pet at all, simply for the extra pet talent points |
| 18:07.11 | Amarande | 2) silithids appear to act -identically- to spiders except that their family skill has a DoT while spiders' doesn't |
| 18:07.33 | Cidan | I should really level my hunter, see, I like to solo more than anything |
| 18:07.36 | Cidan | So, eh. |
| 18:07.48 | Cidan | Paladin, not so good for that. |
| 18:07.56 | Shirik | you should level a priest |
| 18:07.58 | Shirik | on Drenden |
| 18:08.00 | Amarande | I need to level my hunter |
| 18:08.00 | Cidan | No |
| 18:08.00 | Shirik | as Horde |
| 18:08.09 | Cidan | Horde = fail. |
| 18:08.13 | Tekkub | (1) for me, never give up the bear |
| 18:08.21 | Shirik | you = fail! |
| 18:08.23 | amro | hunters are pretty easy to level |
| 18:08.34 | ccox | funny, in my battlegrounds horde = win |
| 18:09.01 | Cidan | Shirik: I'm also part of the OpenRDX dev team now btw |
| 18:09.03 | amro | on my realm we have 3 horde players that log on only sporadically |
| 18:09.07 | Cidan | Working on both side by side |
| 18:09.09 | Shirik | ccox: It isn't so much horde wins as much as alliance loses |
| 18:09.19 | Amarande | where I play now, horde seems to do well in av, but sucks hard in eots |
| 18:09.31 | amro | that's what sucks about horde there's no one to play with |
| 18:09.33 | Amarande | though that could be that 70-79 EotS probably has all 79's on alliance side and mostly 70's on horde |
| 18:09.41 | ccox | Shirik - sometimes, that's true |
| 18:10.31 | Shirik | oh man |
| 18:10.35 | Amarande | the sad thing is that even with 70's vs. 79's though, I, as a 70, ranked fifth in killing blows on horde side in the last EotS I was in |
| 18:10.37 | Shirik | I feel like I'm going to drop dead any moment |
| 18:10.53 | ccox | shirik - the cut out the cigarettes and doughnuts |
| 18:10.55 | Cidan | Shirik: No, don't do that! It would break my heart! |
| 18:11.03 | Lopeppeppy | Get some sleep, Shirik? Eat some food? |
| 18:11.12 | Shirik | I've been up for approaching the third day now |
| 18:11.18 | Shirik | I can't sleep for another few hours at least |
| 18:11.26 | ccox | shirik - go get some sleep |
| 18:11.29 | Cidan | Oh you'll be fine |
| 18:11.29 | amro | if you keep it up you won't even remember how long you've been awake |
| 18:11.32 | Shirik | not an option |
| 18:11.36 | Shirik | I have a presentation in 50 minutes |
| 18:11.38 | Cidan | eventually your body will just put you to sleep |
| 18:12.00 | ccox | Good Morning ladies and gentlezzzzzzzzzzzz...... |
| 18:12.02 | Shirik | Cidan: Hopefully not during the presentation |
| 18:13.24 | Lopeppeppy | You need to learn to nap, boyo. |
| 18:13.48 | Amarande | whew. I almost managed to die in Blasted Lands. |
| 18:13.54 | Amarande | At 70. On a demo lock. |
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| 18:14.13 | Amarande | On a PvE server. |
| 18:14.18 | Shirik | e^jw = cos(w) + jsin(w)? any signal processing gurus around? Probably not |
| 18:14.41 | Amarande | You guysp robably know how. :) |
| 18:14.51 | NightHawkTheSane | sheer idiocy? |
| 18:14.53 | Cidan | Neh |
| 18:14.59 | alestane | That damn doomguard quest? |
| 18:15.24 | Amarande | Night: there's a ?? boss out there |
| 18:15.31 | Amarande | saw it didn't even have 100k HP, so I figured, ok, let's see if we can solo this |
| 18:15.32 | NightHawkTheSane | so i was right. |
| 18:15.34 | Cidan | okay |
| 18:15.35 | Cidan | so |
| 18:15.41 | alestane | Teremius the Devourer? |
| 18:15.45 | Amarande | this was followed about half a minute later by "it's immune to ALL forms of dots? RUUUUUUUN" |
| 18:16.01 | Amarande | alestane: Yeah, him. |
| 18:16.06 | Cidan | I got my PC remote working in linux, so I'm laying back in bed, watching Stargate SG-1 on my nice 24 inch widescreen monitor, do I continue to be lazy, or do I get up and play WoW and be lazy there? |
| 18:16.10 | amro | level 60 raid boss |
| 18:16.10 | KarlKFI | yeah they made him immune so he'd be harder to kite |
| 18:16.16 | Amarande | I imagine I might have actually been able to if he wasn't immune to all forms of DoT :P |
| 18:16.29 | Amarande | however, if I use Incinerate or SB for that long, I seem to pull aggro |
| 18:16.34 | alestane | Even immolate? I'd figure he'd be immune to shadow. |
| 18:16.44 | Amarande | actually, it's a specific immunity to specifically all DoT spells |
| 18:16.48 | Amarande | Shadow Bolt, actually works |
| 18:16.54 | amro | Cidan: be lazy with SG-1 |
| 18:17.06 | Amarande | I guess I'll come back and give him a shot after I hit 80 |
| 18:17.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: i agree, sg-1 |
| 18:17.28 | Amarande | SG-1 is win and awesome |
| 18:17.48 | amro | Cidan: or you can log on wow and see if you can activate the stargate things in southern desolace |
| 18:18.39 | Shirik | lua> math.exp(1) |
| 18:18.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.718281828459 |
| 18:19.53 | Amarande | or try to activate the emerald dream portals |
| 18:20.01 | Amarande | you know, I wouldn't put it past blizzard to pull something like that |
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| 18:20.26 | Amarande | like, add the emerald dream in a patch with little fanfare, and make the portals need stargate like activation stuff and not tell anyone about that till they try :) |
| 18:20.28 | Dashkal | GC just made my day again: "We will likely add a defense proc sigil too and a two-hander runeforge defense enchant." |
| 18:20.58 | Amarande | If you screw up activating a Dream portal, then you end up 65 yards above Booty Bay |
| 18:21.23 | Dashkal | Amarande: with a dot on you so you can't cloak/slowfall :p |
| 18:21.28 | Amarande | you know, I suspect that the Dream may actually be added this expansion :) |
| 18:21.33 | Amarande | Dash: actually I think you can survive 65 yards |
| 18:21.35 | amro | Dashkal: Iceblock :P |
| 18:21.37 | Amarande | since that's what you have to fall for Going Down? |
| 18:21.43 | Dashkal | point |
| 18:21.53 | Dashkal | but with a dot you wouldn't survive :p |
| 18:21.56 | Amarande | in any case, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dream becomes an 80 raid |
| 18:22.14 | Amarande | sketchy piece of potential evidence: the name of the enchant shards this time around |
| 18:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: depends on the nature of the dot, really. ;) |
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| 18:22.58 | Dashkal | :p |
| 18:23.06 | Gnarfoz | *obviously*, lol |
| 18:25.34 | Amarande | hmm, how many levels into the 70's would I get out of S2, if I took the time to gather it? |
| 18:25.50 | cog|sleep | ... O.o |
| 18:25.51 | cog|sleep | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/piglatin.png |
| 18:25.59 | Dashkal | Amarande: as a pvp set? Probably all the way to 80. As a DPS set? 64ish |
| 18:26.01 | Dashkal | 74* |
| 18:26.18 | Dashkal | cog|sleep: nice |
| 18:26.37 | Amarande | And as I've asked before, does anyone know yet if S2 will stay the 70 honor gear permanently now, or if S3/S4 (possibly with rating removal) will percolate down? |
| 18:27.10 | Amarande | I can't imagine them percolating down S3/S4 *with* rating requirement, of course, seeing as you can't -get- a rating till 80 now. |
| 18:27.50 | Amarande | And I'm presuming there will still be 70 honor gear, seeing as you can still get *60* honor gear if you feel like wasting your honor |
| 18:28.52 | Dashkal | Based on blue comments, I'm pretty sure s3/s4 are retired. Hopefully they'll change that |
| 18:30.38 | Hirsute | cog|sleep: That's awesome. |
| 18:30.45 | cog|sleep | http://screenshots.lunar-linux.org/main.php?g2_itemId=254&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| 18:31.58 | Dashkal | cog|sleep: *blinks* Ok, I didn't expect that to actually work. That is just win |
| 18:31.59 | Hirsute | Heh. |
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| 18:44.34 | Dashkal | For those who use git because of it's decentralized nature: http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/12/04/1625226.shtml |
| 18:48.30 | Cidan | I'd use git if I needed to branch things often |
| 18:48.34 | Cidan | but even then, eh. |
| 18:50.27 | Lunessa | ... someone had too much fun with the PigLatin language pack... |
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| 18:56.48 | Amarande | Glyph of Unending Breath = <3 |
| 18:57.00 | End | I like that glyph too |
| 18:57.11 | End | I have the kilrog one too, even though it does nothing useful for me |
| 18:57.18 | Amarande | I'd pay 100+g for that if I had to on any lock, especially while leveling/exploring |
| 18:58.47 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 18:59.05 | Codayus_ | Glyph of Levitate is similar on priests. It's my favorite glyph by far. >.> |
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| 19:01.46 | Lunessa | Gloomy weather requires hot coco with marshmallows and a wee drop of the irish. |
| 19:01.53 | cog|sleep | and booze |
| 19:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, for serious sure. As soon as I get home from holiday shopping, which I'm oh-so-excited to do. |
| 19:02.15 | Lunessa | cog|sleep: That's the " |
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| 19:02.22 | Lunessa | "wee drop of the irish" |
| 19:02.27 | Amarande | Lunessa: Baileys? :) |
| 19:02.33 | Lopeppeppy | Baileys. |
| 19:02.39 | cog|sleep | hmm... wee schmee imo :P |
| 19:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | See, Shirik? It's not just me. |
| 19:02.49 | Lopeppeppy | And good luck on that presentation, which I think is now. |
| 19:02.54 | Lunessa | I was thinking more like whiskey... but, whatever makes your belly warm and puts a smaile on your face. |
| 19:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 19:03.08 | Amarande | bah, I wish the exploration system in WoW worked like it does in GW |
| 19:03.16 | Amarande | I could swear I've been to some of these places before but they're dim on my map :P |
| 19:03.36 | Lunessa | cog|sleep: I'm of scottish and irish linage. "Wee drop" is a euphemism for "whole goddamned lot." |
| 19:03.41 | Amarande | of course, Guild Wars had its drawbacks |
| 19:03.50 | Amarande | for instance, "Grand Master Cartographer" more meant "I Married a Wall" |
| 19:03.52 | Lopeppeppy | What's a limit, Lunessa? |
| 19:04.16 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: About the time I've passed out in the gutter for the second time in a night. |
| 19:04.49 | Lunessa | Unless it's a holiday weekend... then it's "when I wake up late for work next week." |
| 19:05.02 | Amarande | Lunessa: so when you get wheeled into the hospital in a shopping cart labeled ALCOHOL POISONING then :) |
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| 19:05.32 | Lunessa | Amarande: I've never managed to get that much liquor in me, despite trying desperately from 2000-2003. |
| 19:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | Then Peppy kicks his hiney for not inviting her. |
| 19:05.53 | Amarande | Lunessa: Anything to do with George W having got elected? heh |
| 19:06.18 | Lunessa | No. It had much more to do with being retired, wealthy, bored, and dating a stripper. |
| 19:06.31 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, strippers. |
| 19:07.34 | Lunessa | Note: Retired, bored and wealthy can all be cured by "dating a stripper." |
| 19:07.49 | Lopeppeppy | Very true. |
| 19:09.17 | Amarande | Lunessa: I don't know, that would probably deliver you back into the muck of 'bored' after you don't have any money left to do anything |
| 19:09.36 | Amarande | plus when you have to do a boring, menial labor job because your 'retired' went away :) |
| 19:09.38 | Lunessa | And in case anyone is worried that I might actually like Geroge W.... the answer is I voted for him. TWICE. |
| 19:09.49 | Lunessa | Amarande: I went back to working in IT. |
| 19:10.08 | Amarande | heh |
| 19:10.08 | Lunessa | It was an interesting 3 years. |
| 19:10.23 | Amarande | since I got the glyph, now I find myself using unending breath more for the swim speed boost than for its original purpose :P |
| 19:10.25 | Lunessa | And I'm still paying it off. *smirk* |
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| 19:11.35 | Amarande | I voted for Nader in 2000, but if I had had to choose Bush or Gore, I would have picked Bush |
| 19:11.43 | Amarande | I value gaming too much to support Gore or a Clinton. |
| 19:12.12 | Amarande | It was also one of the major forces behind my refusal to vote for Lieberman in 2006, but then Lieberman has since been accepted by Connecticut as their unwanted senator :P |
| 19:13.49 | Amarande | Bah. Exploration achievements should come with 1/144 and 1/1 scale gnomes or something that you can sell. :) |
| 19:14.19 | Lunessa | In my circle of friends/acquaintences, I'm often the lone one - many of the people I know have politics quite remote from my own. When I was playing City of Heros, I was the only person I knew who voted for G.W.B. It's strange to me that many of the people who wanted progressive, liberal politics of "friendship and tolerance" never treated me with those. *shrug* Not that it matters now. |
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| 19:15.34 | NightHawkTheSane | "I value gaming too much to support Gore or a Clinton. |
| 19:15.35 | NightHawkTheSane | " |
| 19:15.40 | NightHawkTheSane | that has got to be the dumbest thing i've ever heard. |
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| 19:16.11 | Amarande | Night: Gore, Clinton, and Lieberman are all in distinct favor of heavier regulation of video games, the sort that would lead to censorship in short order |
| 19:16.20 | Amarande | Night: it comes down to this |
| 19:16.23 | nevcairiel | I should keep out of crazy US politics discussions, but i agree with NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:16.25 | Amarande | if you put Federal enforcement on the M rating |
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| 19:16.32 | nevcairiel | rather censorship in games then more wars =P |
| 19:16.33 | Amarande | then every game manufacturer will water down every game in order to get a T |
| 19:17.04 | Amarande | I've seen what happens to some games in order to get a T. :| |
| 19:17.24 | nevcairiel | You should live in germany, and you would be used to it. You just go and get the UK version |
| 19:17.25 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:18.21 | Amarande | nevcairiel: in the NTSC console world, getting a different version would involve learning to speak Japanese :P |
| 19:18.43 | nevcairiel | Thats not my problem :) |
| 19:19.14 | nevcairiel | you americans always have to invent new standards anyway, your own fault! |
| 19:19.34 | Amarande | nevcairiel: Japan and large parts of Asia use NTSC as well |
| 19:19.39 | nevcairiel | Kilometers > miles, PAL > NTSC, etc :P |
| 19:19.42 | Amarande | PAL is pretty much only a Euro thing |
| 19:19.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: ignoring your compulsion to be massively extremist and overreact. Even if that were true, "gaming" is your sole basis for decision? again, dumbest thing i've ever heard. |
| 19:20.10 | Lunessa | Actually miles was English, not American. We've just been resistant to swtiching to metric. |
| 19:20.12 | nevcairiel | Euro is a big market :) |
| 19:23.18 | Amarande | Night: actually, given that the gaming censorship movement is itself based on people being massively extremist and overreacting, it's difficult to balance without being just as anti-censorship as they are pro it |
| 19:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | Fanatics are often found on both sides of the issue. |
| 19:23.55 | NightHawkTheSane | .. no. |
| 19:24.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: indeed, but neither of them are right. |
| 19:24.30 | Hirsute | Yes, but the pro-censorship fanatics getdisbarred. |
| 19:24.40 | Hirsute | s/getdisbarred/get disbarred/ |
| 19:24.43 | Hirsute | *cheer* |
| 19:24.46 | Amarande | Night: okay, how do we successfully support freedom in gaming content -without- making a point not to vote for any pro-censorship candidate? |
| 19:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | Lobby the candidates, and your congress/senate peoples, etc. |
| 19:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:25.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not advocating changing your views. But basing your vote strictly on the merits of a single issue like that is mornoic |
| 19:25.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm hugely anti-censorship, but I have the perspective to see beyond just that issue |
| 19:26.30 | Lunessa | Often, for people, a single issue is so looming that it eclipses reason and thusly directs all their votes. |
| 19:27.08 | Lopeppeppy | For me, that has to be a larger issue than game censorship. But I have my own Larger Than Life issues I vote according to, so why should I judge anyone else's trigger issues? |
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| 19:29.55 | Lunessa | The issue that compels all else is different for everyone, and pretty much everyone has them. We're only "mostly" rational beings. |
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| 19:30.38 | Lopeppeppy | Speak for yourself, darlin'. :) |
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| 19:45.24 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy, dear heart, I'm only 'mostly rational' and I use that as my basis for judging others. :) |
| 19:46.54 | Lopeppeppy | Then I'm totally scrod when you get around to judging me. :P |
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| 19:48.24 | abyx | why does not GetItemInfo() return a nil value for itemTexture (the 10th variable returned) for items that aren't in my bags |
| 19:49.11 | abyx | GetItemIcon(itemId or "itemString" or "itemName" or "itemLink") - Returns the icon for the item. Works for any valid item even if it's not in the cache. (New in Patch 2.4) also doesn't work for items that aren't in my bags... which i though it should/would |
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| 19:56.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Why do the alliance get level 75 guards that roam the open areas of dragonblight, with snaring frost arrows, basically locking down a handful of herb nodes >< |
| 19:57.37 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: So we can jack with all you un-couth horde types who prevent me from using nodes in Icrcrown. |
| 19:57.57 | Amarande | Night: Hey, when Emerald Dream opens, the Alliance won't get to play in Duskwood at all on PvP servers, so ... a few herb nodes lost from horde is a small price by comparison :) |
| 19:58.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: huh? what about icecrown? |
| 19:58.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: can you overreact more, please? you're not fortelling the doom of wow entirely yet |
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| 19:58.56 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: There are several nice ore spawns. Right next to groups of level 80 Horde NPCs. |
| 19:59.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: >< didn't notice those as i haven't been to icecrown on a miner yet. equally obnoxious, though. |
| 19:59.23 | pastamancer | there's horde npcs in icecrown? |
| 19:59.31 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 19:59.44 | Amarande | Night: that one's pretty accurate actually |
| 19:59.46 | Lunessa | You'll find them when you're questing out there. :) |
| 20:00.02 | Amarande | I've seen the Emerald Dream portals that are in reasonably easy to reach areas |
| 20:00.07 | Amarande | Seradane, Duskwood, and Feralas |
| 20:00.14 | pastamancer | never noticed them and I've unlocked ebon hold, or whatever the DK town is |
| 20:00.18 | Amarande | Seradane and Feralas are literally SURROUNDED by 70k+ HP elites |
| 20:00.24 | Amarande | er, Feralas ED portal, that is |
| 20:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, it's not. you don't know anything about how they plan to implement it, so you're just overreacting and talking out your ass, as usual :p |
| 20:00.35 | Amarande | Duskwood has just the one boss dragon that pats around and you wouldn't even have to fight on your way in. |
| 20:00.56 | Amarande | Which means that everyone will go in that one, and any low level Alliance in Duskwood are free ganks |
| 20:01.05 | NightHawkTheSane | pastamancer: there's a few horde daily hubs scattered around the zone |
| 20:01.13 | Amarande | Night: I'm PRESUMING that you'll enter there via the portals :) |
| 20:01.22 | Lunessa | pastamancer: There's a series of quests related to Artha's heart. You'll find them then. |
| 20:01.23 | pastamancer | NightHawkTheSane: oh right... I did forget about those dailys |
| 20:01.27 | Industrial | whats the amcro/command to get the name of the frame/texture under the cursor? |
| 20:01.45 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.49 | Industrial | ty |
| 20:02.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you can presume all you want, but you're still just basically making shit up :P |
| 20:02.20 | mikma | emerald dream, going to open? |
| 20:02.24 | pastamancer | presumably there's corresponding alliance dailys |
| 20:02.35 | Amarande | And yeah, I know that people worried that Ghostlands would get similarly mobbed when Zul'Aman came out |
| 20:02.38 | Amarande | but the difference here is: |
| 20:02.50 | Amarande | ghostlands is 10-20, therefore it's considered local to horde, and doesn't autoflag lowbies questing |
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| 20:03.00 | Amarande | duskwood is 20-30, therefore, contested, and any alliance trying to quest there will get flagged |
| 20:03.02 | Lunessa | pastamancer: Yes, but not sitting right next to luscious ore spawns that I crave. |
| 20:04.15 | NightHawkTheSane | thats kind of the downside to the many-small-quest-hub implementation. they collide with resource nodes much easier |
| 20:05.51 | abyx | how do i get the texture path of an icon that isn't in my bags? |
| 20:05.56 | abyx | GetItemIcon was epic fial |
| 20:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | also, berserk + maul glyph is seriously OP for taking out 3-4 mobs. |
| 20:06.36 | abyx | feral druids in general are ridiculous op |
| 20:06.46 | mikma | abyx: see how IDCard does it |
| 20:06.59 | abyx | mangle 3k, shred 6k shred 6k ferocious bite 12k dead |
| 20:07.04 | Amarande | speaking of resource nodes |
| 20:07.12 | abyx | IDCard? |
| 20:07.22 | Amarande | shouldn't the aggro associated with resource nodes by modulated by level difference, the same way that it is for normally aggroing said mobs? |
| 20:09.05 | NightHawkTheSane | only ore nodes have agro associated with them. and no, it does not |
| 20:09.39 | Amarande | yeah, I know it doesn't, I'm more thinking whether it *should* |
| 20:09.42 | mikma | abyx: yes, thats what i said |
| 20:09.47 | Amarande | from a consistent-design POV |
| 20:10.20 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, the whole agro-on-gathering concept is pretty moronic in it's current implementation |
| 20:10.41 | NightHawkTheSane | But, regardless, no, the entire point was that it doesn't scale. |
| 20:12.40 | Amarande | Night: lemme guess, the rationale is something one entirely misses unless one thinks from a game administrator type POV rather than from a world-builder POV :) |
| 20:13.12 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i can't say how easily one misses, as I found it fairly obvious. |
| 20:14.48 | NightHawkTheSane | but the point of nodes agroing is so that you can't swoop in, loot a node, and leave, while completely ignoring the mobs around. It tends to put things on a slightly even playing field when competing for resource nodes |
| 20:15.52 | Amarande | Night: you're right, it's pretty moronic in its current implementation :) |
| 20:15.57 | End | well |
| 20:16.02 | Amarande | given that all you have to be is a high level pet class and you still get to ignore the mobs :) |
| 20:16.12 | NightHawkTheSane | among other things |
| 20:16.22 | End | at level 70 I'd swoop in against 69-70 mobs, and they would ignore me before I'd mine. :P |
| 20:16.38 | End | I actually haven't seen it at level 80 oddly enough |
| 20:16.50 | Amarande | I'm picking up the Redridge exploration achievement, and stopped to grab a piece of tin, since I have a lowbie who's grinding BS and Eng and this is my only miner |
| 20:17.30 | Amarande | Gnoll or trogg or whatever the hell it's supposed to be attacks me. Interrupt. I just go back to mining and before it gets another swing, good ol' Leeshmawl's taken care of it. :) |
| 20:17.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't played my miner enough to observe it in northrend. |
| 20:18.28 | End | actually, now that I think about it, I tend to have my pet summoned more often now |
| 20:18.54 | Amarande | End: I expect hunters would in general now |
| 20:18.54 | End | but it still seems like the odd waiting til mining aggro is gone in Northrend |
| 20:19.02 | Amarande | now that you don't have to worry about anything but a damage debuff by ignoring them |
| 20:19.07 | End | warlock actually |
| 20:19.21 | Amarande | as for me having my pet out more often ... well, I recently respecced from aff to demo |
| 20:19.25 | Amarande | so that's obvious :) |
| 20:19.41 | End | well, my felhunter can take a bit more of a beating than my imp could :P |
| 20:19.46 | End | not a lot, but a bit |
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| 20:19.51 | Amarande | I guess I had it out as aff, but that was a passive mode mana battery imp, so that's more like a buff than a pet :) |
| 20:19.57 | End | yeah |
| 20:23.56 | Thunder_Child | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft2/news.html?sid=6201897 |
| 20:24.52 | NightHawkTheSane | this amuses me slightly: http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=25024 |
| 20:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | also, this: http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=25007 |
| 20:25.27 | Amarande | btw, as demo, which is better DPS: just spamming SB, or using immo + incinerate spam? |
| 20:26.29 | End | probably depends on how deep into demo you are |
| 20:26.52 | End | if you've gone deep enough into destro to get emberstorm, immo+incinerate, if not, probably SB |
| 20:27.23 | End | you should probably test which is better yourself though :P |
| 20:27.33 | End | (yay for target dummies) |
| 20:27.52 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:28.13 | Amarande | even though I oddly enough have only improved shadow bolt (go figure) in destro, it still looks like immo+incinerate |
| 20:28.24 | End | oh really? that's odd |
| 20:28.44 | Amarande | let's see, incinerate: 2.5 second cast, 366 mana, 444-514 plus 111-129, so 555-643 |
| 20:28.55 | Amarande | shadow bolt: 3 second cast, 444 mana, 544-607 |
| 20:29.05 | End | that's not counting coefficients though |
| 20:29.25 | Amarande | SB seems to only be better if you get an ISB proc |
| 20:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're not adding in spell power, you're going to be way off. |
| 20:29.43 | Amarande | yeah, I'm fuzzy on the coefficients for those |
| 20:30.03 | NightHawkTheSane | the .5s cast difference alone will make scaling an issue |
| 20:30.37 | End | The issue pre-2.4 was that incinerate didn't have a high enough coefficient to compete with Shadowbolt |
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| 20:30.45 | Amarande | hmm, is it Crimson Whelps or Flamesnorting Whelps that drop the minipet, or both? |
| 20:30.52 | End | post-2.4 they allowed you to decrease the cast time of incinerate |
| 20:31.14 | End | I don't rememember, except that 2/3 of the whelps there dropped it |
| 20:31.28 | End | if it's immune to shadow, it doesn't drop it |
| 20:31.34 | End | the others do though |
| 20:32.04 | NightHawkTheSane | its the red whelps that don't. every other one does, i believe? |
| 20:32.17 | Amarande | Night: lost whelps that don't according to wowhead |
| 20:32.23 | Amarande | though who knows, maybe those do too |
| 20:32.31 | Amarande | there seem to be fewer lost whelps than the others, and the drop rate is 0.2% |
| 20:32.31 | End | all I remember is if I was hitting shadow immune mobs, I was attacking the wrong ones |
| 20:32.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont have the patience to farm a 1/1000 drop rate |
| 20:32.37 | NeoTron | Amarande: 0/41/30 FG, 0/40/31 imp - both with incinerate as the main nuke - seem to be the best demo dps specs (and some of the best lock dps period atm) |
| 20:32.58 | Amarande | ah, I was going to go for the 0/56/15 one from EJ |
| 20:33.09 | End | yeah, you have to go deep enough to get the fire talents :P |
| 20:33.34 | End | which is why I thought demonic tactics demo would be SB, because you don't go as deep into destro |
| 20:34.55 | Amarande | so far, though, I haven't been fighting anything tough enough to really be able to tell the difference |
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| 20:35.10 | Amarande | I've been mostly doing 61-70 AV and old world exploration achievements |
| 20:39.28 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:39.37 | Amarande | northrend exploration have any especially faction-based nasty places to worry about? |
| 20:40.07 | Dashkal | Amarande: Northrend towns don't appear to have air guards. At least I never got shot at while exploring at 77 |
| 20:41.13 | Amarande | Dash: I was more thinking of the fact that, for instance, Kalimdor is substantially harder for Horde than Alliance, because you need to do some fancy footwork to get through Darnassus in particular |
| 20:41.37 | Amarande | heh, since night elves actually have some idea of how to protect their weak |
| 20:41.47 | Amarande | unlike, say, humans, where I can easily get over the wall into the very start part of Elwynn :) |
| 20:41.54 | Dashkal | Northrend doesn't really have that issue. Either you're flying and it's trivial, or you're on foot and SP/Icecrown are near (not not completely) impossible) |
| 20:43.15 | Dashkal | Darnassus notwithstanding, I tend to just ride past the newbie area guards and spin about when I get credit. |
| 20:45.47 | Amarande | Yeah, I do that with Dun Morogh, mostly because you don't have a -choice- with Dun Morogh |
| 20:46.03 | Amarande | With Elwynn, I go up the mountain a little to the right of where the guards are since it's trivially easy to get credit without aggroing |
| 20:46.47 | Amarande | I also always feel forced to take time out to kill Hogger. :P |
| 20:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> darnassus is trivial to get the exploration achievement |
| 20:48.08 | NightHawkTheSane | you can mount on the ship, the npcs on it don't agro, and npcs not on it won't board. |
| 20:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | and the city's a fucking wasteland as far as players and npcs go |
| 20:49.01 | Amarande | yeah, alliance seem to actually have a lot fewer guards than I keep thinking |
| 20:49.13 | Amarande | even the time I got lost in stormwind, it took quite a while for me to get tracked down and killed, and I think that was by a player |
| 20:50.20 | Amarande | but then, that's stormwind, and is well known about stormwind |
| 20:50.29 | Amarande | alliance actually QQ regularly on the forums that there's not enough guards in SW |
| 20:50.36 | Lopeppeppy | Cry, cry, cry. |
| 20:50.43 | Amarande | personally, I dislike the number of guards in stormwind, but that's for another reason |
| 20:50.58 | Amarande | that's more because I don't play alliance often, and finding a guard to help me find something in SW can be a pain at times :) |
| 20:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 20:51.55 | Lunessa | Whereas getting into Oggrimar is a pain the keister. |
| 20:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | Very |
| 20:52.18 | Amarande | don't you go in the barrens entrance for that? |
| 20:52.24 | Amarande | I'm assuming you mean getting credit for it on alliance |
| 20:52.39 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't yet tried for it, but I do understand the barrens entrance is easier. |
| 20:52.47 | Lunessa | My problem was getting all the way into do the instance. |
| 20:52.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: back entrence of org is fairly open, but yeah, if you need to go deep you'll hit a lot of guards |
| 20:53.18 | Lopeppeppy | I hear the back entrance is best for the instance too. |
| 20:53.20 | Lopeppeppy | But I dunno. |
| 20:53.22 | Amarande | yeah, back entrance should do for the achievement |
| 20:53.29 | Lunessa | Yeah, I basically stripped down and just ran back multiple times. |
| 20:53.34 | Amarande | horde regularly QQ about how the back entrance is way too easy for alliance raids to get into, so ... |
| 20:53.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: it is. |
| 20:53.50 | Amarande | actually, the real problem with that is different |
| 20:54.04 | Amarande | the real problem with that is that every horde city (except maybe silvermoon?) has a back entrance |
| 20:54.10 | Amarande | while none of the alliance cities do other than exodar |
| 20:54.21 | Amarande | unless you count hiding in the tram |
| 20:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | you can deflag in the tram, so that counts. |
| 20:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | Which comes from another city. |
| 20:54.42 | NightHawkTheSane | but really, getting SW->Tram is not hard. |
| 20:54.57 | Lunessa | And we all know the only one anyone /ever/ goes to the tram is "quiet time" with that special "night elf female." |
| 20:55.07 | Amarande | Lunessa: On Moon Guard. |
| 20:55.08 | Amarande | Right? :) |
| 20:55.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you said you wouldn't tell anyone about us! |
| 20:55.26 | Amarande | At least if you go by the forums, it's -always- Moon Guard that people claim people do that on. :P |
| 20:55.28 | Lunessa | Amarande: I play on Kirin Tor, another popular RP server. |
| 20:55.45 | Amarande | E.g., when people complained about how the faster 60-70 would make late Outland zones deserted: |
| 20:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, the hot spot for us was always the houses in Ironforge. |
| 20:55.56 | Amarande | "Netherstorm and SMV will just become more places for people on Moon Guard to cyber" |
| 20:56.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: see, that makes sense to me. they're equally deserted, and have beds! |
| 20:56.27 | Lopeppeppy | Beds. They are what's for cuddling. |
| 20:56.28 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: there's houses in SW that are like that too |
| 20:56.38 | Lunessa | Goldshire, You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. |
| 20:56.42 | Amarande | I remember that well because that's where I hid the times I got lost in there and was trying to get my bearings without being ganked |
| 20:56.47 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy "lives" in the house in Winterspring, by the other village. |
| 20:57.34 | NightHawkTheSane | other village? the nelf one that got overrun by angry oomkins? |
| 20:57.35 | Lunessa | I have toons on Moonguard. I quit playing over there because I kept tripping over naked blood elves. |
| 20:57.59 | Amarande | heh naked blood elves |
| 20:58.18 | Amarande | must be an RP server thing. I hardly ever see them on regular PvE servers unless someone is trying for an achievement that is likely to result in several deaths along the way |
| 20:58.22 | Amarande | like getting into stockades for that one |
| 20:58.35 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane... Starfall? There's just one big trade building, and the empty cottage out front of it. |
| 20:58.49 | Amarande | or the one or two folks in trade chat who use naked blood elves that dance around on top of org bank to help customers find them for enchants |
| 20:58.52 | Lunessa | Starfall. |
| 20:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy lives in Starfall. *nod* |
| 20:59.33 | Lunessa | back in the day, I tried to start a horde guild called "Nine Bracelet Boogeymen" and I stood on top of the bank in Org. |
| 20:59.40 | Lunessa | But I wore clothes. |
| 20:59.54 | Lunessa | Seriously, no one wants to see undead males nekkid. |
| 21:00.06 | Corr-work | oh yeah? |
| 21:00.18 | Corr-work | you don't know the internet very well, do you |
| 21:00.32 | Amarande | yeah, these are teh interwebs |
| 21:00.37 | Amarande | or is it intarwebs, I can't remember |
| 21:01.03 | Lunessa | Ok... I should say no one sane really wants to see that. |
| 21:01.33 | NightHawkTheSane | your damn right i dont |
| 21:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | you're* |
| 21:05.35 | Amarande | Lunessa: must be hard on people when an undead male is making the stockades run then :) |
| 21:06.43 | Lunessa | Oh, and Stormwind totally has a back entrance now. It's called the Harbor. |
| 21:07.39 | Amarande | Lunessa: is that reachable by horde in a sense practical enough to make it worth using vs. the tram or the front door? |
| 21:08.00 | Lunessa | Amarande: Take the boat from Dark Shore. |
| 21:08.03 | Amarande | the thing about the UC and Org back entrances is they have token guards if even any guards at all |
| 21:08.08 | NightHawkTheSane | you could probably swim up from westfall, too |
| 21:08.22 | Lunessa | Yeah, or water-wallk. |
| 21:08.25 | Amarande | heh, that's true, I forgot about swimming. :) |
| 21:08.29 | Amarande | speaking of which |
| 21:08.45 | NightHawkTheSane | and no, the back tunnel of org has a good half-dozen guards before you actually get anywhere useful |
| 21:08.50 | Amarande | I should see if there's any places that you used to not be able to get to due to fatigue that you can now because of the waterbreathing glyph |
| 21:09.02 | Amarande | although, I guess any such place would also be able to get to mounted with waterwalking, too |
| 21:09.20 | Amarande | or by a dk with path of frost |
| 21:09.48 | Amarande | are there even any such places of note in the world, come to think of it? :) |
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| 21:12.24 | NightHawkTheSane | part of me wants to make up something awesome, but false, just to get you to kill yourself doing it. |
| 21:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | the other part of me is too lazy to be that creative |
| 21:13.59 | Amarande | Night: "free epics off the edge of netherstorm"? :) |
| 21:14.16 | Amarande | sad thing is there's all too many players who probably would actually fall for that :P |
| 21:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i probably would have gone with a dev testing zone off the coast of tanaris |
| 21:14.45 | Amarande | remember, the average raider thinks you get a power up by standing in fire |
| 21:15.19 | Amarande | Night: actually, isn't there a quest in tanaris where you have to take advantage of some super fast speed boost to get to some far out island before you drown? |
| 21:15.32 | Amarande | at least I remember there being a quest like that, I *think* it was in tanaris but now I'm fuzzy on it |
| 21:16.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Probably futile to ask, but has anyone here actually tried the µtorrent for osx? |
| 21:16.45 | pastamancer | no but I plan on checking it out |
| 21:17.04 | Lunessa | There's a place where warriors go for berseker quest that you can easily end up dead from fatigue by straying off the path. |
| 21:17.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, i've been eyeballing it. I'm farily happy with transmission, though |
| 21:17.38 | pastamancer | yeah, still using transmission here too |
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| 21:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | Computer geeks! What's the /run command for diagnostics? I'm kinda sorta blanking here. |
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| 21:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: for what? |
| 21:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly? |
| 21:22.42 | Corr-work | /run is, like, a mirc thing... |
| 21:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Corr-work: or a WoW thing |
| 21:23.13 | Lopeppeppy | I remembered, it's dxdiag. |
| 21:23.14 | Corr-work | i guess |
| 21:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 21:23.26 | Corr-work | but that sure ain't a wow thing :| |
| 21:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I didn't start the request with "WoW geeks!" :) |
| 21:23.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:25.14 | Amarande | I usually use something like SiSoftware Sandra if I really need detailed hardware info |
| 21:25.45 | Lopeppeppy | I really just need basic computer info from a friend to help him look at video cards, but he's all like, how do I tell you how much RAM I have? |
| 21:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway, off for home, TTFN |
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| 21:30.06 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 21:30.12 | Amarande | wonder how much hunter competition there is for yellow worms |
| 21:36.43 | Amarande | I just noticed there's only two of them that can be tamed, and both are rare |
| 21:37.00 | Amarande | of course, given that hunters are all busy killing each other's gold supplies over access to Loque right now ... heh |
| 21:38.01 | Amarande | personally, I had a look at petopia and the spirit beast racial pet trait really seems kinda meh |
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| 21:59.26 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "Dear Santa, Please send me a baby brother." ... Santa wrote back: "Send me your mother ..." |
| 22:00.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nice. |
| 22:00.35 | Corr-work | i enjoy this concept. |
| 22:02.08 | Amarande | LOL Cairenn :) |
| 22:05.10 | Esamynn | ~poke Cairenn |
| 22:05.10 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:06.31 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Now, where do I sign up to be "santa" in this equation? |
| 22:06.39 | Cairenn | Lunessa: lol |
| 22:06.55 | NightHawkTheSane | "Your [Pendulum of Teluric Currents] hit [Snowfall Glade Pup] 71 Shadow. (1541 Overkill)" >< |
| 22:07.22 | mikma | stop killing the questmobs |
| 22:07.47 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: big meanie, was it really necessary to mangle the corpse like that? |
| 22:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i tried not to! |
| 22:07.57 | NightHawkTheSane | its a proc! |
| 22:08.03 | Esamynn | uh huh |
| 22:08.05 | Esamynn | sure.... |
| 22:10.45 | mikma | ~sms |
| 22:10.45 | purl | rumour has it, sms is Stop Making Sense, the greatest concert film ever, starring Talking Heads and directed by Jonathan Demme. Send message to mobile phones via the internet for free. |
| 22:11.17 | mikma | what the heck |
| 22:11.33 | foxlit | It's amazing how many times people break Rule Two in instances :/ |
| 22:11.50 | Thunder_Child | there are rules? |
| 22:12.13 | foxlit | always |
| 22:12.17 | mikma | purl: no, sms is Surprise mindsecks! |
| 22:12.17 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 22:12.28 | Esamynn | ~lart mikma |
| 22:12.28 | purl | stuffs mikma into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 22:12.33 | Lunessa | Rule One: Don't be a jerk. Rule Two: If you must be a jerk, bugger off. |
| 22:13.00 | mikma | whats the number for "let the tank to get some aggro" |
| 22:13.18 | mikma | or "dont break cc and bring it to aoe-tankspot" |
| 22:13.34 | Lunessa | mikma: Rule 1. |
| 22:13.42 | mikma | nice! |
| 22:14.48 | foxlit | Lunessa: That's not Rule One. |
| 22:15.12 | Lunessa | "Don't be a jerk" is not rule one? |
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| 22:15.52 | Amarande | Lunessa: not on most servers lol |
| 22:16.14 | mikma | you know whats annoying? "can i roll need on all greens because i am leveling enchanting" |
| 22:16.33 | Lunessa | See, this is why I like leading groups. "You're a jerk, we'll replace you. " 'Jerk has been removed from your party.' |
| 22:16.40 | Corr-work | if you pass on everything else, sure |
| 22:16.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thats why i avoid grouping with people i dont know |
| 22:17.11 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I can't really do that. I'm building a new guild from scratch. I've pretty much got to pug. |
| 22:17.13 | mikma | !nswer is always: 'no, you roll greed like the rest of us' |
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| 22:17.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thats also why i dont try and build guilds. |
| 22:17.50 | pastamancer | I'm leveling tailoring - give me all your cloth! |
| 22:17.54 | Lunessa | I know. You're more of the "Sit in the Peanut Gallery and kibitz" sort. :P |
| 22:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: fuck yeah. |
| 22:18.25 | mikma | pastamancer: thats aznother one actually |
| 22:19.15 | pastamancer | too bad cloth isn't green... I'd love to roll on that |
| 22:19.19 | Amarande | There's only one problem with kicking jerks out on most servers |
| 22:19.30 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: in a group the other day, i herbed a couple nodes and someone whispered me "can i have that, my alt needs it for alchemy" >< |
| 22:19.30 | mikma | 2 miners leveling mining, rolling on every node in instance = wrong! |
| 22:19.42 | Lunessa | Eventually you're the one everyone calls a jerk? |
| 22:19.46 | Amarande | mikma: when you have two, you're supposed to roll on who goes first and then alternate |
| 22:19.53 | mikma | what we did was we both took 1 ore in turns |
| 22:19.55 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Rule%20One%22 |
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| 22:20.16 | pastamancer | yeah, both miners should take turns per swing rather than per node |
| 22:20.19 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: Phil Town on Investing? |
| 22:20.22 | mikma | amarande: some people roll on all veins and its annoying |
| 22:20.30 | foxlit | annoyingly, no |
| 22:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: that doesn't seem like a good rule one, to me |
| 22:20.44 | mikma | pastamancer: ya, that way both miners get skill from same node =) |
| 22:20.49 | mikma | profit! |
| 22:20.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: *shrug* probably, although i usually stick with a group of people i get along with, so it all works out. :) |
| 22:20.59 | pastamancer | which is totally OP compared to herbing |
| 22:21.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.22 | Corr-work | foxlit is love |
| 22:21.41 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: NO! NOT THE ALT! thats like "i'll use 50:50" or "i'll call a friend" |
| 22:21.42 | foxlit | Rule Two is "don't stand in things that hurt you" |
| 22:21.42 | Lunessa | foxlit: The corollary is "little old men leaning on a staff can kick your ass. |
| 22:21.54 | pastamancer | Amarande: what's the problem with kicking out jerks? |
| 22:22.07 | Amarande | pastamancer: you get to sit around until the entire instance has repopped trying to get a replacement? |
| 22:22.17 | Corr-work | truth |
| 22:22.18 | mikma | ~rule1 |
| 22:22.19 | purl | rule1 is probably do not talk about #wowuidev |
| 22:22.22 | pastamancer | Amarande: reroll alliance? :p |
| 22:22.29 | mikma | ~rule2 |
| 22:22.30 | purl | methinks rule2 is DO NOT TALK ABOUT #WOWUIDEV |
| 22:22.42 | pastamancer | ~rule34 |
| 22:22.47 | haste | fail |
| 22:22.47 | Corr-work | i didn't like that movie |
| 22:22.52 | pastamancer | it is 34, right? |
| 22:22.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 22:23.11 | pastamancer | it's probably for the best that purl doesn't know |
| 22:23.19 | pastamancer | hell, I wish I didn't know about rule 34 |
| 22:23.23 | Amarande | probably, pasta |
| 22:23.24 | Amarande | I mean, let's see |
| 22:23.32 | Amarande | purl is a poor little peaceful infobot |
| 22:23.38 | Amarande | and if it's your first night at fight club, you have to fight |
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| 22:23.53 | Lunessa | Totally. |
| 22:24.10 | Amarande | speaking of repop |
| 22:24.13 | Amarande | what's the repop time in WC? |
| 22:25.01 | Lunessa | ridiculously long. Something like an hour or more. |
| 22:25.20 | mikma | purl: rule34 is There is a porn for that in internet. |
| 22:25.21 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 22:25.29 | mikma | for, of |
| 22:25.32 | mikma | bleh |
| 22:27.02 | mikma | purl: no, rule34 is If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions. |
| 22:27.03 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 22:27.16 | pastamancer | my raid group's public channel has turned into the server's high-end lfg channel :( |
| 22:27.41 | mikma | now thats lame |
| 22:27.44 | Amarande | pasta: fame has its failures |
| 22:27.46 | mikma | start moderating |
| 22:28.04 | pastamancer | I need to resurrect my channel mod addon |
| 22:28.22 | pastamancer | it set moderator on anyone who was also in a private channel |
| 22:29.02 | mikma | pastamancer: something like whispering the moderator a specific word grants ability to speak |
| 22:29.46 | NightHawkTheSane | I think blizzzard just needs to embed an irc client/server into wow. ;) |
| 22:29.48 | pastamancer | well the same addon also served as our dkp bot, so it has a list of everyone that runs wit hus |
| 22:29.54 | pastamancer | I could use that |
| 22:30.09 | pastamancer | but it's really supposed to be an unmoderated channel for the most part |
| 22:30.23 | NightHawkTheSane | also, jesus. eternal fire 64g each? >< |
| 22:30.34 | pastamancer | we just need to make sure the right people always have moderator/owner of the channel |
| 22:30.38 | pastamancer | WTB chanserv for wow |
| 22:31.08 | mikma | somehow this reminded of the finnish bible channel in ircnet =/ join, you get voice (+), mess around, they will remove it from you. |
| 22:31.23 | pastamancer | hmm |
| 22:31.26 | pastamancer | that's an idea |
| 22:32.01 | mikma | its been there for 10 years now, lol |
| 22:32.19 | mikma | seems to work. they don't kick you, just unvoice |
| 22:32.19 | Corr-work | rantradio is run that way, autovoice after a couple of minutes or for people the bot/mods recognize |
| 22:32.48 | Corr-work | if i remember correctly. it's been so long since i paid attention to the voicing stuff. |
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| 22:45.44 | |pez| | Is the recipe for this worth 450g? - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24055#comments |
| 22:46.20 | foxlit | no |
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| 22:46.49 | foxlit | northrend greens >> bc blues |
| 22:46.57 | |pez| | okok |
| 22:51.27 | |pez| | So I should keep away from JC recipes that need less than 375 in skillevel? ;P |
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| 22:53.43 | bleeter | ~cheer Esamynn |
| 22:53.44 | purl | Three cheers for Esamynn! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
| 22:55.53 | foxlit | If you're already at 350, yeah |
| 22:56.20 | foxlit | Better to look at gems used, though |
| 22:57.38 | |pez| | foxlit: I'm at 380 actually |
| 22:58.56 | |pez| | I usually just make whatever takes the lesser amount of reagents. :P and hope to AH it XD |
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| 23:00.40 | zenzelezz | I took forever to get BS from ~350 to 375 because I refused to make anything that needed more than adamantite bars |
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| 23:02.57 | |pez| | Things that are yellow on my JC thingie, is things that take one reagent to make. |
| 23:03.01 | |pez| | ingredient? |
| 23:03.08 | |pez| | Like.. One Huge Citrine |
| 23:03.10 | |pez| | One Dark Jade. |
| 23:03.12 | |pez| | and so on. |
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| 23:03.13 | foxlit | Are there no upcoming UI changes in 3.1? |
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| 23:14.28 | Cidan | don't know? |
| 23:14.32 | Cidan | when is 3.1 due? |
| 23:14.42 | Cidan | surely not until next year, at least |
| 23:15.27 | durcyn | yeah, i wouldn't expect to see 3.1 before january |
| 23:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't say before feb, really. |
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| 23:19.58 | cbreak | there will be a patch before 3.1 |
| 23:20.03 | cbreak | probably |
| 23:20.04 | Amarande | 3.1 needs an option to copy friends list over between alts |
| 23:20.15 | cbreak | since blue said warlock summons will get removed before 3.1 |
| 23:20.27 | Amarande | LOL |
| 23:20.56 | cbreak | warlocks get a "summon summoning stone" spell instead |
| 23:22.52 | smcn | pretty sure i heard something about 3.0.4 |
| 23:23.40 | NightHawkTheSane | there WILL be a patch before 3.1 |
| 23:24.24 | NightHawkTheSane | how many, when, and precisely what are in them is up for debate |
| 23:30.29 | smcn | anyone use zomgbuffs? i'm having a problem on my 80 druid, the reagents options aren't appearing under the behavior menu. i've tried deleting & reinstalling, deleting savedvariables, and the weirdest thing is it works fine on my 77 druid and i believe worked before i hit 80 |
| 23:30.56 | bnovc | if i want to find out my hp and others in the group, would i want to use the UNIT_HEALTH event (doesnt seem to give a #/%) or something else? would it require a secure frame? |
| 23:31.17 | cbreak | UNIT_HEALTH, yes |
| 23:31.37 | bnovc | but that only gives me a unit id |
| 23:31.38 | cbreak | it will fire when health changes, but it has a rate limiter (or so I heard) |
| 23:31.40 | cbreak | yes |
| 23:31.50 | cbreak | you can use that in UnitHealth(argwhatever) |
| 23:31.53 | bnovc | is there something else i would then use to get the amount of hp they have and/or % |
| 23:31.56 | bnovc | ah ok thanks |
| 23:32.03 | cbreak | and UnitMaxHealth |
| 23:32.11 | bnovc | do i need to learn about/become a secure frame to do this? |
| 23:32.12 | cbreak | I wrote an addon that uses those functions extensively |
| 23:32.13 | cbreak | no |
| 23:32.33 | bnovc | secure frames are only for casting/using items/etc. right? like binding keys to events? |
| 23:32.49 | cbreak | they are only needed if you want to perform secure actions |
| 23:33.07 | cbreak | casting, targeting, and so on |
| 23:33.19 | bnovc | ah, targeting is secure also huh |
| 23:33.46 | cbreak | omg |
| 23:33.49 | cbreak | a new tinypad :D |
| 23:33.54 | cbreak | yes |
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| 23:35.04 | cbreak | bnovc: if you aren't afraid of evil spaghetti: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6412-BarTracker.html |
| 23:35.17 | cbreak | it uses health/mana change event and tracks the values |
| 23:35.26 | bnovc | cbreak: nice, thanks! |
| 23:35.44 | Kraps | someone here said the other day that mind flay is a SP's bread and butter spell. my question is, why? |
| 23:35.44 | bnovc | i was thinking about making diagrams to show who most urgently needs healing based on their rate of decline |
| 23:35.48 | bnovc | it sounds like you do something similar |
| 23:36.12 | pastamancer | Kraps: high damage/mana ratio |
| 23:36.28 | pastamancer | Kraps: also, no cooldown like MB or SW:D |
| 23:36.32 | cbreak | Kraps: they don't have much choice |
| 23:36.36 | pastamancer | that too |
| 23:36.45 | Kraps | so it will scale better later? |
| 23:36.47 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: the same can be said of most specs |
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| 23:36.54 | cbreak | I can ignore 75% of my damage spells :) |
| 23:36.57 | NightHawkTheSane | frost mages don't have "much choice" |
| 23:37.04 | cbreak | I can chose fire or arcane |
| 23:37.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but within each spec, your spell optimal spell choices are limited |
| 23:37.29 | cbreak | (too bad they suck as frost mage :) |
| 23:37.30 | NightHawkTheSane | the same is true of shadow |
| 23:37.38 | Kraps | 45 damage over 3 sec is... |
| 23:37.46 | cbreak | +slow |
| 23:37.46 | Kraps | not much |
| 23:38.02 | cbreak | consider the alternatives. wanding? |
| 23:38.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: welcome to the world of spell power? |
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| 23:39.34 | Kraps | Devouring Plague, Shadow Word: Pain, Holy Fire, Smite when MB is on CD... |
| 23:39.57 | Kraps | lots of choices |
| 23:40.06 | Kraps | level 25 |
| 23:40.07 | pastamancer | no not really |
| 23:40.10 | NightHawkTheSane | not really |
| 23:40.29 | Kraps | wut |
| 23:40.37 | cbreak | holy fire!? |
| 23:40.45 | cbreak | smite?! |
| 23:40.46 | pastamancer | dots don't count, and smite and holy fire are holy spells and therefore drop you out of shadowform |
| 23:40.55 | Kraps | oh |
| 23:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't look at a class at level 25 and make any kind of long-term judgement about it |
| 23:41.10 | cbreak | you should keep your dots up if you can |
| 23:41.14 | cbreak | sw:p is quite powerful |
| 23:41.16 | Kraps | level 25 !=shadowform |
| 23:41.35 | NightHawkTheSane | level 25 is meaningless. it's a brief stop along the way to 80. |
| 23:41.40 | Kraps | heh |
| 23:41.42 | cbreak | around that level I used mb,sw:p,mind flay |
| 23:41.47 | cbreak | and then wanding until dead |
| 23:41.48 | pastamancer | also, mind flay is more mana efficient than smite or lolyfire |
| 23:41.57 | cbreak | (refreshing sw:p and hots :) |
| 23:42.18 | pastamancer | don't forget to PW:S yourself before you start flaying... before you pull is even better |
| 23:42.46 | Amarande | say, if blizzard ever nerfs a minor glyph by making it into a major glyph |
| 23:42.57 | Amarande | will people that already have that glyph set lose it, or will they be able to have 4 major glyphs for a time? |
| 23:43.33 | Kraps | whats the point of Lesser Heal? |
| 23:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | how do you get such absurd conclusions? |
| 23:44.08 | cbreak | which glyph do you think would deserve that treatment? |
| 23:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | minor and major glyphs are completely different. the minor glyph would be removed (probably purged from anyone who had it glyphed) or changed (updating those with it), with a new major glyph added |
| 23:46.05 | Amarande | Night: yeah, I was thinking of the situation where someone has 3 minor and 3 major |
| 23:46.15 | Kraps | is imp shadowform worth it for leveling? |
| 23:46.16 | Amarande | and if Blizz decides a minor is too strong and nerfs it by making it a major |
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| 23:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | they wont "make it major" |
| 23:46.32 | NightHawkTheSane | it can't happen |
| 23:48.06 | cbreak | they'd remove it and add a major which does the same. |
| 23:48.08 | cbreak | probably |
| 23:48.19 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: which is what i said a minute ago :P |
| 23:48.35 | cbreak | yes. I know. I repeated you. |
| 23:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ok :) |
| 23:49.23 | cbreak | great... UBS is having problems and begs the government for support. |
| 23:50.31 | Amarande | cbreak: what do you expect? you bail out an industry or two and they all get in line |
| 23:50.37 | Amarande | there's no such thing as 'failing at business' anymore |
| 23:50.55 | Amarande | once your company gets big enough, you could appoint a two year old as CEO and breathe easy because the government will bail you out due to so many jobs riding on you :P |
| 23:50.57 | cbreak | yeah, but the UBS is very big, compared to the swiss government |
| 23:51.06 | cbreak | drop of water on hot stone :( |
| 23:51.15 | Amarande | at least here in america, it looks like it's spreading now though :| |
| 23:52.56 | Amarande | okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a -little- |
| 23:53.06 | Amarande | but I remember a time and a day when when a business couldn't hack it, they did this thing called going out of business |
| 23:54.04 | Amarande | whatever happened to that? :) |
| 23:54.18 | Thunder_Child | still exists |
| 23:54.20 | Amarande | when you screwed up at something, you ... failed |
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| 23:54.38 | JamesJr | Hello everyone!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:54.44 | cbreak | .com went plop a few years ago |
| 23:55.14 | JamesJr | CBreak, how are you on this fine day? |
| 23:55.20 | cbreak | maybe people/government thinks the banks are systematically more important |
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| 23:55.29 | cbreak | hungry. |
| 23:55.37 | Amarande | cbreak: they're bailing out the car industry now, too |
| 23:55.47 | JamesJr | The car industry should give me a free car! |
| 23:55.56 | cbreak | cars... |
| 23:55.57 | Lunessa | I'm theory-crafting my loot system, anyone have input for DKP vs spec/off-spec gear? Say Rogue A and Moonkin B both want a piece of leather armor. Moonkin B would use it for feral off-spec, but has higher point total. Do you tell him to wait in line behind rogue a? |
| 23:56.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yes. |
| 23:56.22 | Amarande | even though you can always get cars somewhere else, and the reason they failed was because they insisted on continually telling us we wanted SUVs, when what we wanted when gas was 4$ a gallon was small, efficient cars that didn't guzzle gas |
| 23:56.23 | cbreak | my guild gives absolute priority for main roles |
| 23:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: imo, primary spec always takes precedence over off spec. |
| 23:56.43 | JamesJr | Hello everyone!!!! |
| 23:56.47 | Amarande | Lunessa: yeah, main spec first |
| 23:57.01 | cbreak | greetings JamesJr. :) |
| 23:57.05 | Lunessa | That is my inclination too, but I thought I'd poll for some input. |
| 23:57.09 | Lunessa | And Hello James. |
| 23:57.11 | NightHawkTheSane | course, once you get into crazy stuff like "recruits", "pugs", "alts main/off spec" it gets weirder. |
| 23:57.16 | Amarande | otherwise, you'll be having a lot more trouble on bosses you might have done easily if people hadn't had to give away their gear to offspecs |
| 23:57.35 | JamesJr | Yall are so awesome!! |
| 23:57.36 | cbreak | Lunessa: one big problem with the old system of my guild was minimal-upgrade loot |
| 23:57.53 | cbreak | we had a fixed-price zero sum system, so no one wanted to get the small upgrades |
| 23:57.55 | JamesJr | I am listening to Christmas songs! |
| 23:58.05 | Lunessa | I'm positing a simple spend-all system. |
| 23:58.12 | cbreak | our current system is semi-stateless. |
| 23:58.26 | Amarande | in fact, one idea I think might be decent |
| 23:58.39 | Amarande | is that for -anything- that is an upgrade to someone's main spec |
| 23:58.44 | JamesJr | Feliz Navidad! |
| 23:58.45 | cbreak | we just do /random 100 and all who roll discuss until the winner is decided |
| 23:58.57 | Pneumatus | loot council, then |
| 23:58.57 | Amarande | go among those for whom it is an upgrade for the main spec |
| 23:59.06 | cbreak | no, the people who rolled discuss |
| 23:59.08 | cbreak | not a council |
| 23:59.10 | Amarande | and just give it for free to the highest among them, *but* |
| 23:59.22 | Amarande | this also would need dual point tracking to really be its best :) |
| 23:59.31 | JamesJr | Yall have a wonderful evening! I must attend a meeting in my room now. |
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| 23:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: that is a loot council, it's just a variant with a highly dynamic council. :P |
| 23:59.39 | Amarande | basically, for that you'd want to track both current and lifetime DKP so people with highest lifetime (i.e., your raid core) get priority on critical upgrades |
| 23:59.41 | cbreak | ... |
