| 00:00.56 | bleeter | Cairenn: I just read scrollback, I got it! erm.. :/ erm... :| lol |
| 00:01.05 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:01.41 | bleeter | ~fail Blizz |
| 00:01.42 | purl | Blizz: FAIL! |
| 00:03.30 | bleeter | on the subject of failing hard.. did anyone see that post on the EU forums 'proving' that WoWMatrix has a keylogger? |
| 00:03.41 | bleeter | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6987052528&sid=1 |
| 00:03.59 | bleeter | this is the cited proof that convinced me -> |
| 00:04.00 | bleeter | http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7505/wowmatrixsn4.png |
| 00:04.03 | Shirik | I choose to ignore WoWMatrix for the most part |
| 00:04.20 | Shirik | rofl, nice proof |
| 00:04.26 | bleeter | all that study from some university student, I'm impressed |
| 00:04.30 | bleeter | students |
| 00:04.32 | bleeter | Shirik: yar |
| 00:04.42 | Shirik | that's actually how I test all files on wowinterface |
| 00:04.53 | Shirik | I type their name into google along with "keylogger" and see if it's got any results |
| 00:05.01 | bleeter | Shirik: the best bit in the thread is that they recommend removing wowmatix's prefetch |
| 00:05.20 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:05.25 | Shirik | what does it have to prefetch? |
| 00:05.34 | Shirik | (before we get into me asking why) |
| 00:05.41 | bleeter | it's just windows doing it's normal thing |
| 00:05.43 | Shirik | (why remove it) |
| 00:05.57 | Shirik | well no, how can it prefetch? There's nothing to wait on |
| 00:06.00 | bleeter | i dunno.. my brain imploded didn't want to lose more IQ from trying to work out the reasoning |
| 00:06.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:07.44 | mikma | funny stuff |
| 00:07.59 | Hunter85 | any recommendations for lua windows compiler? |
| 00:08.12 | End | that question kinda confuses me |
| 00:08.22 | Hunter85 | why? |
| 00:08.58 | End | lua is a scripting language 8-) and there's really only one implementation (although someone does have a WoW orientated version for testing) |
| 00:09.09 | End | not only that, but for WoW, it's built in |
| 00:09.16 | bleeter | god someone with an EU account tell poster #14 to delete prefetch and reboot ;) |
| 00:09.35 | mikma | i wont |
| 00:09.46 | bleeter | tho I suspect it may be someone from in here ;) |
| 00:10.14 | Hunter85 | ok. That mean everyone are realoding add-ons over and over again when making add-ons? |
| 00:10.38 | End | probably |
| 00:11.05 | Hunter85 | hehe, ok. Thought it was just me =P. Whell, ty. Then I know |
| 00:11.16 | bleeter | there are times when a /console reloadui is sufficient, other times one has to relog completely |
| 00:11.34 | End | yeah, you don't usually have to relog though |
| 00:11.38 | bleeter | the reloadui is iirc when you are just changing the guts of a file, the relog for when adding/deleting files |
| 00:11.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it reads in the .toc when it boots up |
| 00:12.04 | Hunter85 | k. But its a bit frustrating to not get any syntax errors when you are new. Takes time to find the errors =/ |
| 00:12.04 | ZorbaTHut | as long as you're not touching the .toc, you're generally safe with just reloadui |
| 00:12.05 | bleeter | so if you get your file structure 'right' first time and just put in empty stubs, you should be golden |
| 00:12.20 | ZorbaTHut | hunter, install something like Swatter or Bugsack that displays errors |
| 00:12.39 | Hunter85 | thanks a lot. Will check them out |
| 00:12.40 | bleeter | oh yeah, that's good. error history viewer thingy |
| 00:12.44 | ZorbaTHut | I've also found it useful to install a commandline Lua, and run the UI mod files with it - it makes tracking down parse failures a lot easier |
| 00:12.45 | Hunter85 | =) |
| 00:14.16 | ZorbaTHut | I've also found it absolutely invaluable to rig up a little error catcher as part of your UI mod, and have crash logs that people can paste in when reporting issues, but that might not be worth it most of the time ;) |
| 00:14.52 | bnovc | End: do you know where i could read about how they are set/vary? |
| 00:15.00 | Hunter85 | hehe, ok. But sounds like a nice thing. Thanks for the tips :) |
| 00:15.34 | End | wowwiki might know |
| 00:15.54 | ZorbaTHut | I think I found a page about it on wowwiki a long time ago |
| 00:16.09 | End | also |
| 00:16.37 | End | uiscale affects UIParent's size, and it looks like GetScreenWidth() and GetScreenHeight() |
| 00:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone have a good example of parsing a parameter string from a command line command in wow? |
| 00:17.16 | End | (although, I dunno maybe GetScreenHeight()/Width() is just lua that returns uiparent or worldframe's values) |
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| 00:18.43 | |Jelly| | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103412 I hate tradeskills. |
| 00:20.24 | cbreak | could be worse. try fishing. |
| 00:20.36 | cbreak | (ok, also a tradeskill...) |
| 00:22.52 | End | fishing is easy to tune out at least |
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| 00:32.23 | Amarande | at least fishing is relaxing and can only make gold, never cost it |
| 00:33.18 | sacarasc | training to a new level costs! |
| 00:33.27 | sacarasc | your initial fishing rod costs! |
| 00:35.47 | ZorbaTHut | repairing durability damage when you get jumped by monsters costs :D |
| 00:36.34 | sacarasc | lures cost too |
| 00:36.54 | End | god |
| 00:37.01 | End | I have so many of the fishing daily lures |
| 00:37.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: who fishes in areas where that would be a problem? :P |
| 00:37.23 | NightHawkTheSane | End: and there's the hat with a lure built in. |
| 00:37.23 | End | although they cost since I have to mail them from my bank alt ;-) |
| 00:37.27 | End | GG postage! |
| 00:37.28 | End | yeah |
| 00:37.32 | End | but you have to wait for the hat |
| 00:37.36 | ZorbaTHut | most of my fishing has been in Orgrimmar so far |
| 00:37.40 | End | stupid 30 second rule |
| 00:37.42 | ZorbaTHut | I should point out that I'm Alliance |
| 00:37.45 | ZorbaTHut | stupid achievements |
| 00:37.57 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, the only true cost of fishing is YOUR SANITY |
| 00:38.22 | Thunder_Child | what sanity? |
| 00:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well, okay, not a problem for you i guess :p |
| 00:38.47 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
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| 00:44.07 | Lunessa | Fishing - Blizzard's way of telling you you have too much free time. |
| 00:45.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: because they are so hurting for ways of doing that. >< |
| 00:45.42 | Gnarfoz | WoW - Blizzard's way of telling you you have too much free time. |
| 00:46.13 | ZorbaTHut | WoW - Blizzard's way of telling you you *used* to have too much free time. |
| 00:46.24 | Lunessa | True that, but I mean... com'on... fishing. in a video game. It's like ... recording fishing shows to watch later. |
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| 00:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | at some point I want to make an MMORPG that contains a game you can play, inside the MMORPG, which *itself* contains a fishing minigame |
| 00:47.23 | ZorbaTHut | just to see if I can cause people's heads to explode remotely |
| 00:47.24 | WobWork | Anyone ever play Zool? |
| 00:47.32 | WobWork | Or was it Zool2? |
| 00:47.38 | ZorbaTHut | even better would be to make sure it actually gives useful rewards, so people play it despite the idiocy |
| 00:47.50 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: World of WorkCraft |
| 00:49.22 | WobWork | Zool2 was a sidescrolling game |
| 00:49.41 | WobWork | in which, your character comes across a giant arcade game console |
| 00:49.45 | WobWork | in which is Zool1 |
| 00:49.57 | WobWork | and you play it by using your character to jump on the buttons and move the joystick |
| 00:50.20 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 00:50.23 | Shirik | anyone here listen to dragonforce? |
| 00:50.28 | Lunessa | Recursive living at it's finest! |
| 00:50.36 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: I could |
| 00:50.57 | ccox | LittleBIgWarcraft? |
| 00:51.24 | mikma | wobwork: sounds like bruce lee in c64 |
| 00:51.43 | mikma | wobwork: fat ninja vs bruce... riiight |
| 00:51.48 | WobWork | zool was an amiga game =) |
| 00:52.13 | Cralor` | does scale work for fontstrings? |
| 00:52.16 | mikma | sounds like a ghostbusters -villain |
| 00:52.29 | mikma | "are you the keymaster?" |
| 00:53.38 | Lunessa | afk... |
| 00:53.53 | mikma | wobwork: i realized the toughness in frost-tree gives 15% more armor on 5/5 |
| 00:54.00 | WobWork | yep |
| 00:54.13 | WobWork | which then ties into bladed armour =P |
| 00:54.18 | mikma | but, from where would i take them lol |
| 00:54.26 | mikma | -5 desecration |
| 00:54.35 | WobWork | hm |
| 00:54.42 | WobWork | that does give you +5% damage |
| 00:54.44 | WobWork | (or something) |
| 00:54.52 | WobWork | and the snare is nice |
| 00:54.56 | WobWork | but you don't need 5/5 of it |
| 00:54.57 | mikma | ondeed it does, if i stand on the unholy ground |
| 00:55.10 | WobWork | (desecration that is) |
| 00:55.15 | WobWork | I only have something like 2 or 3 |
| 00:55.36 | WobWork | since I use Plaguestrike as a normal rotation, desecration tends to stay up long enough to be refreshed |
| 00:55.41 | Cralor` | should i assume that scaling does not work for fontstrings? :) |
| 00:55.50 | WobWork | Cralor`: I seem to recall such |
| 00:56.18 | Cralor` | so what would be a easy way to increase the "font size" ? |
| 00:56.27 | mikma | wobwork: except the fact, if SS refreshes the diseases. desecration wont happen |
| 00:56.42 | WobWork | true |
| 00:56.47 | WobWork | but I don't like that glyph |
| 00:56.53 | WobWork | too iffy to depend upon |
| 00:57.05 | WobWork | and diseases are the bread and butter of unholy |
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| 00:58.15 | Thunder_Child | mmm...unholy bread and butter |
| 00:58.18 | mikma | wobwork: 2 points can come from butchery |
| 00:58.18 | WobWork | and I'm not sure really... a PS and an IT would do more damage than a single SS? |
| 00:58.29 | Thunder_Child | stop making me hungry WobWork |
| 00:58.41 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: Pie |
| 00:58.46 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: Cookies |
| 00:58.47 | Thunder_Child | NO, cake |
| 00:58.57 | WobWork | no not "No, cake" |
| 00:58.58 | mikma | thunder_child: the other white meat, cake |
| 00:59.02 | WobWork | "AND cake!" |
| 00:59.11 | Thunder_Child | pfft, most are chocolate and i HATE chocolate |
| 00:59.14 | mikma | milkshake! |
| 00:59.23 | WobWork | pie? |
| 00:59.29 | WobWork | I konw there's chocolate pie |
| 00:59.30 | mikma | lol, are you a vanilla-boy? |
| 00:59.37 | Thunder_Child | in more ways than one |
| 00:59.40 | WobWork | but I've never found it appealing |
| 01:00.09 | WobWork | And Tiramisu is technically a cake |
| 01:00.18 | WobWork | well.. actually I don't know what it's technically |
| 01:00.18 | mikma | wobwork: 0/3 wandering plague or 2/5 desecration |
| 01:00.23 | WobWork | maybe a trifle? |
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| 01:00.33 | WobWork | WP is useful |
| 01:01.09 | mikma | whats blood plague? |
| 01:01.14 | Codayus_ | Desecration is overated. :-/ |
| 01:01.22 | Codayus_ | Blood plague is what Plague Strike causes. |
| 01:01.31 | WobWork | yeah drop butchery btw |
| 01:01.40 | ZorbaTHut | I'm half tempted to assume that the QH Dalaran issue is fixed just because people aren't constantly talking about it anymore |
| 01:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: it's lighter than a trifle, but that's probably close. |
| 01:01.47 | WobWork | if you want to move points around |
| 01:01.49 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. tiramisu |
| 01:01.59 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, but calling it a 'trifle' is a terrible crime |
| 01:02.07 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: indeed. |
| 01:02.07 | mikma | hmm |
| 01:02.17 | mikma | -3 blood-caked blade |
| 01:02.31 | Codayus_ | What are you trying to do? |
| 01:02.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: quell my sudden urge for tiramisu. |
| 01:02.51 | WobWork | 2/5 desecration is good enough I'd say |
| 01:03.02 | mikma | trying to find 5 point |
| 01:03.02 | WobWork | more points only up the chance of it occuring |
| 01:03.13 | WobWork | not the effect |
| 01:03.19 | NightHawkTheSane | how long does desecration last? |
| 01:03.29 | Codayus_ | For raiding DPS, any points in desecration is probably a waste. |
| 01:03.29 | WobWork | 12 sec |
| 01:03.39 | WobWork | Codayus_: this is for levelling |
| 01:03.41 | WobWork | I think |
| 01:03.54 | WobWork | Codayus_: for the snare maybe |
| 01:03.59 | NightHawkTheSane | 12s? aren't diseases on an 18s duration? |
| 01:04.01 | WobWork | it's still +5% damage |
| 01:04.05 | mikma | wobwork: and unholy tanking maybe |
| 01:04.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (well 18s talented) |
| 01:04.30 | WobWork | although technically, more than one unholy dk in a raid is a waste |
| 01:04.39 | Codayus_ | NightHawkTheSane: It's worse than that; any unholy DPS build will want the SS glyph, so even on static fights you get poor uptime. |
| 01:04.40 | NeoTron | not just a waste btu a detriment |
| 01:05.09 | NeoTron | desecration can very well be nice for raiding too |
| 01:05.27 | NeoTron | although the main issue is you likely won't hit plague strike enough unless you artificially change the rotation to do it |
| 01:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: well, even without the glyph, if diseases are 18s, and the duration is 12s, a 40% chance to proc desecration won't really keep it up at all reliably |
| 01:05.49 | Amarande | Zorba: what was QH Dalaran? |
| 01:06.03 | NeoTron | and I'd say you want 100 or nothing |
| 01:06.09 | NeoTron | 40% is, as NightHawkTheSane said, pretty pointless |
| 01:06.12 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, the Questhelper issue where it fails to log in properly if you logged out in Dalaran |
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| 01:06.25 | Codayus_ | NightHawkTheSane: Where I'm going is, for raid DPS, you will never *ever* get 100% uptime on desecration without losing serious DPS, no matter how many points you put in. |
| 01:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: well, 80% is probably close enough, if you desperately needed 1 point elsewhere |
| 01:06.34 | Industrial | check my weaponz0r http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vashj&n=Xamth :P |
| 01:06.37 | ZorbaTHut | it's been nearly impossible to get debug info from people. I think I've gotten about a hundred complaints that it doesn't work, and maybe two people who have bothered giving me any useful information |
| 01:06.42 | NeoTron | even with 100% it's not up very reliably |
| 01:06.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: im not disagreeing, im just not addressing raid dps specifically :P |
| 01:07.03 | ZorbaTHut | even now I'm getting "Hey, I hear it doesn't work in Dalaran, what version should I use?" "Try 0.76 and let me know if it works or not." (dead silence) |
| 01:07.15 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: clearly it works then? |
| 01:07.20 | NeoTron | ZorbaTHut: not understanding here, what do you mean not able to log in? I've logged in/out in dalaran with QH.. |
| 01:07.25 | Codayus_ | Fair enough. |
| 01:07.39 | ZorbaTHut | wob, I wouldn't be entirely sure of that. I'll assume it eventually if nobody complains from now on, though |
| 01:07.47 | NeoTron | Codayus_: mainly because especially for AoE you tend to keep diseases up with pestilence more than anything |
| 01:07.48 | ZorbaTHut | neo, it only seems to happen on some systems (like, for example, "not mine") |
| 01:07.52 | WobWork | Codayus_: yeah, I'm more talking about levelling, where you'll hardly ever be in a fight long enough for it to be an issue |
| 01:08.07 | NeoTron | frankly for leveling I think it's irrelevant |
| 01:08.09 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not sure what the actual conditions are. I've had reports from people with fast computers and slow computers. |
| 01:08.14 | NeoTron | like not bad to have but hardly required |
| 01:08.19 | WobWork | NeoTron: It's nice for aoe stuff |
| 01:08.23 | NeoTron | what I found thoug is that necrosis is fricking useless |
| 01:08.27 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: i blame your modified version of astrolabe |
| 01:08.42 | WobWork | NeoTron: hehe Slooooow weapon is sloooooow |
| 01:08.44 | Codayus_ | NeoTron: Desecration sucks if you move, if you use pestilence, if you have epidemic, if you have the SS glyph...*IF* you aren't killing the mob before the initial 12s runs out. :-) |
| 01:08.46 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, it seems unlikely :) |
| 01:08.54 | NeoTron | less dps gain for 5 points than BCB for 3 points |
| 01:09.05 | NeoTron | Codayus_: indeed |
| 01:09.16 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: ill blame it anyway since its a fucking ugly ass hack thats totally unneeded |
| 01:09.27 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, how else do you want me to plot map points in the deathknight starting zone? |
| 01:09.38 | mikma | wobwork: dirge looks most useless imho |
| 01:09.51 | NeoTron | I am interested in trying necrosis and BCB with a dual wield spec |
| 01:10.00 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: handynotes does it fine with the standard astrolabe |
| 01:10.05 | NeoTron | but as it turns out I'm now a tank, not DPS, so that won't happen until they give us dual specs |
| 01:10.23 | WobWork | mikma: are you noticing a lack of available RP? |
| 01:10.39 | Codayus_ | Dirge is very solid for raids, but for leveling/grinding its skippable; I'm usually capped on RP anyhow. |
| 01:10.39 | WobWork | or a unlack |
| 01:10.48 | NeoTron | I noticed having a lot of RP issues.. until I realized that when tanking I use rune strike a lot without even noticing :P |
| 01:10.49 | ZorbaTHut | at the time I made that change, there was literally no way to make it work properly. Perhaps it's changed since then, I haven't looked at newer versions of astrolabe |
| 01:10.54 | mikma | wobwork: actually, i usually notice "oh look, 100 rp" |
| 01:10.59 | WobWork | NeoTron: <3 runestrike |
| 01:11.01 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMZ0xZfgMh0coxcqMcsut |
| 01:11.06 | NeoTron | Codayus_: if you're capped you're doing it wrong ;-) |
| 01:11.08 | WobWork | mikma: yeah, you can probably drop it then =) |
| 01:11.21 | Codayus_ | NeoTron: Sorry, to clarify - when leveling, I'm RP capped; Dirge is a waste. |
| 01:11.28 | mikma | imho that build is suitable for unholy tanking too! |
| 01:11.29 | NeoTron | fair enough |
| 01:11.34 | Codayus_ | I SS the mob twice and it falls over; next mob. Death Coil is for pulling. :-p |
| 01:11.40 | WobWork | sotrue |
| 01:11.49 | NeoTron | I love AMZ |
| 01:11.52 | WobWork | I only use DC if I'm not being hit |
| 01:11.53 | Codayus_ | For raiding, Dirge is great, and capping RP is fail. |
| 01:12.12 | WobWork | AMZ? |
| 01:12.19 | NeoTron | Anti-Magic Zone |
| 01:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | antimagic zone |
| 01:12.36 | WobWork | ah =) |
| 01:12.45 | NeoTron | It's fun when the boss does something like "put a fiery blob under your feet" and I just pop AMZ and if needed AMS or what not and don't move |
| 01:12.52 | NeoTron | because it's a pain to move ;-) |
| 01:13.14 | WobWork | It's so... stationary though |
| 01:13.16 | Amarande | AMZ is not an excuse for standing in fire |
| 01:13.20 | Codayus_ | Moving is for people not playing OP classes. :-p |
| 01:13.23 | WobWork | and makes seeing anything difficult |
| 01:13.35 | NeoTron | mikma: outbreak is win for AoE tanking |
| 01:13.38 | Codayus_ | WobWork: Ah, yes, ANOTHER problem with desecration. It's fugly. :-( |
| 01:13.38 | WobWork | I mean I love it and all |
| 01:13.43 | NeoTron | Amarande: no but it means I can do it ;-) |
| 01:13.47 | WobWork | but it makes it so difficult to make anything out |
| 01:13.50 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: can you link your build? just for my own curiosity |
| 01:14.10 | NeoTron | well I my build is somewhat selfish as I like to ride faster ;-) |
| 01:14.16 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 01:14.23 | NeoTron | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Morasia |
| 01:14.37 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, mostly i just want to see different perspectives. :) |
| 01:14.48 | NeoTron | I am considering speccing out of desecration for reasons stated |
| 01:14.59 | NeoTron | although I like the snare aspect for tanking |
| 01:15.12 | NeoTron | it's a pain in the ass when there are ground effects to avoid though |
| 01:15.20 | NeoTron | since I can't see shit when it's up |
| 01:15.34 | NeoTron | Grobbulus was especially bad |
| 01:15.49 | mikma | well, are there AoE tanking that dk needs to do in heroics? |
| 01:16.07 | NeoTron | you pretty much aoe tank everything in heroics |
| 01:16.29 | Codayus_ | *shrug* Everyone is still in the AoE mode that they got into late in TBC; nobody seems to ever sheep anything, EVER. |
| 01:16.40 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: also you can note this is not a max threat (aka dps) build... since so far I have very little if any threat issues |
| 01:16.59 | mikma | codayus_: i'm into CC fightsx more than aoE |
| 01:17.05 | NeoTron | Codayus_: mainly because it's not needed and it slows things down? :) occasional hex is nice though (doesn't break on damage) |
| 01:17.20 | NeoTron | mikma: where on earth do you need to CC anything? |
| 01:17.25 | Gnarfoz | chance to break on damage |
| 01:17.30 | Codayus_ | True, it's not needed. And it's faster. I'm not complaining. I AoE too when I'm DPSing. |
| 01:17.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: >.> we started CCing shit in heroic AN, after those skirmishers 1-shot people left an right |
| 01:17.56 | Codayus_ | I'm just saying that if you want to tank heroics you'll spend a huge amount of time AoE tanking. |
| 01:18.03 | mikma | neotron: dunno, havent done that much heroics in wotlk |
| 01:18.21 | NeoTron | it's sort of a letdown that everything can be aoe'd |
| 01:18.37 | NeoTron | but a relief since you get no "can't run heroic shattered halls because I don't have 2 mages" situation |
| 01:18.39 | Codayus_ | Yes... |
| 01:18.40 | mikma | i think late-tbc fucked up tanking-aspect completely |
| 01:18.54 | NeoTron | mikma: as a tank... I disagree. it's fun |
| 01:19.08 | NeoTron | imho a lot more fun now in that aspect. I do wish especially bosses were a bit harder |
| 01:19.21 | NeoTron | since 90% of all heroics aren't just easy now but trivial |
| 01:19.23 | Codayus_ | Overall, the wrath balance is...very nice. It's still surprising after how gruelling Bliz made TBC heroics/entry raids. |
| 01:19.50 | NeoTron | ofc I play with good people - I know of people that failed to run normal utgarde keep at low to mid 70s |
| 01:20.04 | NeoTron | and not only failed but failed to kill the first boss |
| 01:20.20 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: I think that's a significant point |
| 01:20.24 | mikma | theres that last boss in the "old kingdom" instance where people have to fight against each other |
| 01:20.29 | Codayus_ | Heroic Mana Tombs was AWFUL; the DPS check at the end could actually stop Kara geared guilds without perfect class balance. |
| 01:20.41 | NeoTron | and honestly easy heroics don't bother me because althoguh the heroics are easy many if the the achievements are anything but |
| 01:20.55 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 01:21.00 | NeoTron | mikma: Pro tip: LoS works on insanity |
| 01:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, some of them are easy, some of them aren't |
| 01:21.14 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: it does? >.> hm, good to know |
| 01:21.17 | mikma | well, my wifes guildies were pissed off because they couldnt kill her in heroic, the tree just overhealed everythong =D |
| 01:21.20 | Codayus_ | Heh, so does shadowmeld, I'm told. |
| 01:21.24 | NeoTron | yep. pretty much required for the achievement I think |
| 01:21.28 | Codayus_ | Which is hax. :-( |
| 01:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i've heard that, and the Anub'arak achievement are nigh-impossible without doing tricks like that |
| 01:21.44 | NeoTron | mikma: killing the healer is the challenge for sure |
| 01:22.02 | NeoTron | the first boss in old kingdom also has a trick |
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| 01:22.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 01:22.11 | mikma | they wiped on the boss for 1h+ lol |
| 01:22.15 | NeoTron | pull it to the very start of the instance and he doesn't go immune and you don't bother with the adds |
| 01:22.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hell,that actually just makes the fight easier in general. >< |
| 01:22.40 | mikma | after that my wife has been sending Simple Woods in mail with the persons in the party |
| 01:22.50 | NeoTron | and the caster in there you can "exploit" in an equally cheesy factor - simply pull her far away from her "center spot" and the buff on sacrifice is gone by the time she gets back to you |
| 01:23.26 | NeoTron | and yeah that does make the fight easier - the first boss in there is pretty darn hard overall |
| 01:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I kind of wish they had done things to specifically prevent that stuff |
| 01:23.35 | NeoTron | I think it's the hardest one to get past |
| 01:23.40 | NeoTron | well I think it's intended too |
| 01:23.48 | Codayus_ | Mmm, they'll probably patch it if it's not intended. |
| 01:23.49 | NeoTron | you can't get the achievement for the first boss without doing it |
| 01:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, maybe in cases like that |
| 01:24.01 | NeoTron | since he becomes immune as long as the guardian is up (unless you have some insane amount of dps) |
| 01:24.06 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 01:24.17 | NeoTron | Codayus_: right. so do it while you can! |
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| 01:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but like, the LoS bit for Volazj, having people outside the barrier for Anub'arak, that almost seems like true exploitation, rather than an "intended solution". I certainly grant that it might be intended, I just wish the fight/achievement was designed so that it wasn't |
| 01:26.18 | p3lim | what good bracer enchants are there for bears? |
| 01:26.23 | NeoTron | except the LoS issue might be intended |
| 01:26.39 | NeoTron | since you'd be really terribad to accidently code it that way |
| 01:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | both are probably -intended-, it just doesn't feel like it should be |
| 01:26.53 | mikma | p3lim: lootrank.com |
| 01:27.05 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: wowhead.com |
| 01:27.13 | NeoTron | using LoS seems very BWL-like and I like the idea |
| 01:27.18 | NeoTron | bad people will still fail for sure |
| 01:27.21 | Amarande | Night: the question though is |
| 01:27.37 | Amarande | at Blizzard, is the thought train "ok, we'll create a boss, it knows this, now you guys go and figure out a solution" |
| 01:27.55 | Amarande | or "ok, we've created a boss, this is the way you're meant to beat it, now let's see how long before the players figure out what we had in mind?" |
| 01:27.56 | p3lim | mikma: updated for WotLK? woot |
| 01:28.10 | mikma | p3lim: ya |
| 01:28.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: both. |
| 01:28.28 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103415 - 2 problems i need help with. 1: i cannot get the text to change (and show the current RP - line 49?). 2: i think i have the makeup wrong on line 72. it doesn't recognize any slash commands |
| 01:28.36 | mikma | LoS = Line of Sight? |
| 01:28.57 | Amarande | the problem is, the impression I always get whenever a solution is discovered that isn't "what we had in mind", the result is "there is an exploit regarding this boss allowing it to be more easily defeated by X, therefore, X has been nerfed" in the next patch |
| 01:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Any encounter designer has a 'list' of intended possible solutions for the fight. That determines the details of the boss' abilities, the terrain setup, berserk timers, etc. |
| 01:29.09 | WobWork | Cralor`: maybe you need a pipe between the colour and the mana? |
| 01:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | But any competent designer also knows that 11 million players are /probably/ going to think of something that s/he didn't |
| 01:29.32 | Amarande | Night: the trouble in Blizzard's case |
| 01:29.41 | Cralor` | Wob: whats a pipe? |
| 01:29.44 | |Jelly| | BOOM! Uncritable and still have 22.5khp without walking into a single heroic. |
| 01:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Cralor`: | |
| 01:29.51 | Amarande | is that I get the impression that whenever said "something" makes things easier than Blizzard's designers' solutions are, it's considered an "exploit" and needs to be nerfed |
| 01:30.00 | Amarande | people get punished for coming up with alternative solutions, rather than rewarded |
| 01:30.20 | Cralor` | NHTS: oh.. is that a special "Lua character" ? |
| 01:30.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that is 100% blizzard's prerogative. their game, their rules. end of discussion. |
| 01:30.23 | Amarande | Imagine if, say, Final Fantasy VI was a Blizzard RPG |
| 01:30.31 | Amarande | or was it V ... the one with the Doom/Vanish combo |
| 01:30.32 | mikma | |jelly|: cheat! |
| 01:30.44 | |Jelly| | mikma: Don't worry ... I paid for it. lol |
| 01:30.49 | Amarande | Blizzard would probably decide in a patch "Doom has been removed due to an exploit with vanish ..." |
| 01:30.51 | Cralor` | NHTS: I know the '|'. but like what does it mean in Lua? |
| 01:30.52 | NeoTron | |Jelly|: I'm crittable (9 defense away) with 27k health or so... uncrittable is hard |
| 01:31.03 | |Jelly| | Had to buy most of the mats for Engineering from 394-440. |
| 01:31.04 | p3lim | mikma: says nothing about enchants man |
| 01:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Cralor`: in Lua it doesn't mean anything. You asked what a pipe was, i answered. :p |
| 01:31.30 | WobWork | Cralor`: no, but it will separate the fields in that line |
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| 01:31.43 | WobWork | otherwise how will it know where the colour ends and the 'mana' begins? |
| 01:32.08 | mikma | p3lim: then go check elitistjerks.com druid section. but dont EVER ever never try to post your comments there |
| 01:32.18 | Cralor` | Wobin: pp:SetText("|cff"..color.."|"..UnitMana("player").."|r") ? |
| 01:32.23 | p3lim | mikma: why not? :p |
| 01:32.24 | Amarande | Night: you'd think they'd want to keep easier solutions in if people discover them |
| 01:32.29 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Lesli every defense chant I could find that wasn't ZOMG SO EXPENSIVE (read:titansteel) |
| 01:32.30 | Amarande | it makes things easier for the casuals to see content |
| 01:32.40 | Amarande | of course, I guess it also makes it easier for progression raiders to hit the end of content and get bored |
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| 01:33.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you, not-so-shockingly, manage to miss the point. |
| 01:33.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Blizzard says "Solution X is not a valid solution to us. We're removing it." End of discussion. |
| 01:33.58 | NightHawkTheSane | if they ONLY cared about opening up content to everyone, they wouldn't have any encounters at all. The game would be a series of cut scenes followed by chests with loot in them. |
| 01:33.58 | ZorbaTHut | night, I think amarande is arguing whether Blizzard *should* do that or not, not whether they have the right to |
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| 01:35.03 | Cralor` | can anyone confirm if - pp:SetText("|cff"..color.."|"..UnitMana("player").."|r") - is correct? |
| 01:35.20 | NeoTron | |Jelly|: you gain over 100 defense raiting from shield+wpn where I as a DK get 0 :( |
| 01:35.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: well, i don't see "should" entering into it at all. To me, there's no valuation of valid/invalid solution, in the abstract. So you can't say "blizzard SHOULD allow this, but SHOULD NOT allow that". It's entirely arbitrary and up to them. |
| 01:35.33 | mikma | p3lim: because we are talking about you, you would be banned after your first reply. |
| 01:35.47 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: hey, there's a green axe with +DEF on it, somewhere in icecrown. :D |
| 01:35.49 | p3lim | ive actually posted a small bunch of comments there |
| 01:35.54 | ZorbaTHut | night, we can argue about it from a design standpoint |
| 01:35.59 | ZorbaTHut | i.e. "is it a good idea to" |
| 01:36.13 | ZorbaTHut | for example, Blizzard *could* delete everyone's characters tomorrow and shut down WoW, but I think it would pretty obviously be a bad idea |
| 01:36.16 | p3lim | i got a warning once, but that was for grammar |
| 01:36.24 | WobWork | Cralor`: why don't you try it? |
| 01:36.50 | WobWork | I'm only guessing at this point |
| 01:36.51 | ZorbaTHut | likewise, Blizzard could make all hunters do ten times as much damage as any other class, bu again, it would be a bad idea. It's all quite arbitrary and up to them, but if we avoid conversations based entirely on what's "arbitrary and up to Blizzard", we basically can't discuss WoW. |
| 01:37.09 | mikma | your last two lines would also have earned a warning |
| 01:37.41 | p3lim | huh |
| 01:37.51 | p3lim | you talking about my comments there now? |
| 01:37.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: well, speaking about the specific context of encounter design.. yeah, there are some things that I think are obvious "bad idea" solutions, but in general, it's hard for me to really apply any "good" or "bad" idea concepts to them without having insight into what blizzard intends. |
| 01:38.28 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm almost certain you could look at the history of encounter changes and see places where the same basic solution was, in one place, encouraged and by-design, and in another place considered an exploit and patched out. |
| 01:39.42 | Cralor` | Wob: ok | is not needed. |
| 01:41.14 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: I can get the remaining defense in a less bad way :P |
| 01:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i wasn't being serious. ;) |
| 01:42.05 | ZorbaTHut | night, I guess I don't really see why that's the case. We don't need to see what Blizzard intended to be able to point at things and claim they're good ideas or bad ideas. We might be missing things, of course - knowing what they intended would *help* |
| 01:42.13 | ZorbaTHut | but no special knowledge is needed in order to criticize or analyze |
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| 01:43.12 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise you end up in that whole nasty "you're not *allowed* to talk about my art, you're not *good enough* for it" situation. |
| 01:43.25 | NeoTron | figured |
| 01:43.36 | NeoTron | I had to run Halls of Lightning on normal for the trinket |
| 01:43.47 | NeoTron | theer are two rings with more defense from normal instances too |
| 01:43.54 | NeoTron | or I can just hope for the trinket from patchwerk |
| 01:46.35 | Dreagar | So i got this addon, and i did the options panel in LUA. well there's a problem with checkbuttons. they work fine. when you logout or reloadUI with an option checked, when you log back in that option will not uncheck. the functionality of the onclick works fine, but the check mark will not go away. |
| 01:46.44 | krka | Dreagar: Don't call it that. :-D |
| 01:47.17 | Dreagar | can someone take a look at my code and tell me wtf i am doing wrong? http://pastey.net/103400 |
| 01:47.39 | Lunessa | You face not only Lunessa, but the lame humor I command! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129068445&sid=1 |
| 01:48.29 | WobWork | There is always two? |
| 01:48.51 | Dreagar | two? |
| 01:48.55 | Lunessa | WobWork: I was spoofing the Prince fight in Karazhan. |
| 01:49.00 | Dreagar | oh. lol |
| 01:51.55 | Dreagar | updated pastey, still not working. http://pastey.net/103419 |
| 01:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: *shrug* this is why i'm not an art critic. :) |
| 01:53.53 | Dreagar | i suppose i could put it al back into the XML, but that's givin me problems too. wtf. :( |
| 01:54.05 | WobWork | and the ever popular "I don't know art, but I <x> that!" |
| 01:54.54 | Lunessa | WobWork: I try to blot out episode 1. |
| 01:55.12 | WobWork | Dreagar: do you have carbonite installed? |
| 01:55.21 | Dreagar | yes. but it's not running. |
| 01:55.38 | WobWork | I hear that has a tendancy to... make checkboxes fail for some reason =P |
| 01:56.02 | Dreagar | oh. man. any way to fix? or just trash some carbonite? |
| 01:56.07 | Codayus_ | I heard it kills kittens. |
| 01:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: as parodied as that is, there's nothing wrong with it. I mean, like i said, i'm no art critic, i don't really know, or discuss, what makes a piece of art "good". But I do recognize when I, personally, enjoy or dislike a piece of art. :P |
| 01:56.38 | WobWork | try removing it completely and see if it is the source of the issue first |
| 01:56.55 | Dreagar | yeah, doin that and gettin rid of my wtf at the same time. |
| 01:57.00 | Dreagar | that was my next step. |
| 01:57.17 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: meh, you can break it down to "<insert vaugue disclaimer> but <insert insult/compliment>" |
| 01:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | "I'm not a physician, but you're mother's a whore!" ;) |
| 01:58.09 | WobWork | see |
| 01:58.11 | WobWork | ? |
| 01:58.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i wasn't denying it :D |
| 01:59.19 | WobWork | argh |
| 01:59.33 | WobWork | zipping up 300M of files is ... slow =( |
| 01:59.36 | WobWork | there being 1.7k files |
| 01:59.48 | WobWork | thank god it's all xml |
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| 02:03.52 | WobWork | also woot |
| 02:03.58 | WobWork | .net 3.5 does not require restart |
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| 02:15.50 | Dreagar | Hey wob.. Deleted my wtf, and all my addons, put just that back in... and still got the issue. :( |
| 02:16.07 | Dreagar | any other ideas? :D |
| 02:20.23 | Dreagar | the checkboxes still work, just can't get the check mark to go away if it's there when you login. :( |
| 02:20.49 | Dreagar | it worked when i had it in XML, but i tryin to do it in lua now and this is what's happening. |
| 02:21.56 | Dreagar | ah guess ill just put it back into the xml and hope i can make that work properly. |
| 02:28.38 | Cralor` | hey guys can you help me out with this (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103424 ) it is really short. slash command isn't registering at all. |
| 02:28.48 | Cralor` | must be line 9... i know it |
| 02:29.33 | Cralor` | can anyone help real quick? |
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| 02:32.57 | Dreagar | that did it. :( |
| 02:40.43 | bnovc | anyone know where the fishing daily is from? |
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| 02:54.34 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: December 1st, 2008 6:45pm PST. . We will be performing extended maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 2nd. The downtime will begin at 3:00am PST and end at approximately 11:00am PST.. . Thank you,. |
| 02:54.34 | Shiibot | Blizzard Entertainment. |
| 02:55.38 | Semhirage | anyone handy with multi option macros? |
| 02:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ~asktoask |
| 02:57.14 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:59.09 | Semhirage | trying to make a macro that casts sacred shield on myself if no mods are pressed, if i press alt, cast cleanse on either 1) my target, 2) my mouseover, 3) myself if neither of the first 2 conditions is true |
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| 03:01.23 | Binbinbin | wow more people here than i thought there would be |
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| 03:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | [nomodifier] spell; [mod:alt] etc |
| 03:05.04 | Lunessa | Semhirage: /cast [mod:alt,help][mod:alt,target=mouseover,help,nodead][mod:alt,target=player] spell; other spell |
| 03:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ... beat me to it |
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| 03:05.33 | Lunessa | It beats watching SMS install and patch... |
| 03:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:07.02 | Semhirage | hotness, thx guys |
| 03:09.34 | Lunessa | Reimaging your primary work machine and then having to set up multiple VMs is very time consuming. |
| 03:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I setup 4 VMs yesterday |
| 03:11.13 | Semhirage | wicked sweet, fixed my taunt macro too |
| 03:11.22 | Semhirage | oi, gonna have to redo it next minor patch =/ |
| 03:11.28 | cbreak | isn't it as easy as setting up one VM and just copying it? |
| 03:12.10 | Lunessa | cbreak, once I get the first VM working correctly, yes. |
| 03:12.39 | Lunessa | Unless I'm hosting another OS. :P |
| 03:13.28 | Binbinbin | what do you use for your VMs scythe |
| 03:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | xen vmware UML and virtualbox |
| 03:14.20 | Binbinbin | so they're all running under windows? |
| 03:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, no |
| 03:14.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Only VMWare under windows |
| 03:15.01 | Binbinbin | the rest in linux i guess |
| 03:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | correct |
| 03:15.29 | Lunessa | Oh man... and next.. Exchange Server 2003 tools. *headdesk* |
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| 03:27.55 | Tekkub | quick show of hands, who here is a developr and uses IE as their primary browser of their own free will? |
| 03:27.59 | Tekkub | that's what I thought, thanks |
| 03:29.55 | Tekkub | I love proving the retarded ex-roomie wrong :) |
| 03:31.40 | Binbinbin | yeah he is retarded |
| 03:32.10 | Lunessa | IE is punishment for shoplifting in most countries. |
| 03:32.17 | cbreak | I use FF and for nostalgy reasons elinks... |
| 03:32.44 | cbreak | and safari to download firefox :) |
| 03:32.57 | kd3 | elinks is great when X is broken and I need to use my external memory to remember how to fix it |
| 03:33.34 | Lunessa | Safari, Chrome, Firefox anything but IE. |
| 03:35.32 | Corrodias | doesn't chrome launch a new process for each tab? |
| 03:36.28 | kd3 | could someone poke http://kd3.is-a-geek.net and see if they get a response? |
| 03:36.40 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 03:36.51 | Corrodias | supposedly i already know where to look |
| 03:36.57 | kd3 | awesome. thanks |
| 03:37.28 | kd3 | I see my modem's login page on the lan side of it so that's a relief |
| 03:41.26 | Arrowmaster | kd3: your modem is fail |
| 03:41.36 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 03:42.13 | Lunessa | fail modem is fail? What next, fail server is full of fail? |
| 03:45.44 | Amarande | Lunessa: fail server has always been full of fail |
| 03:46.10 | Lunessa | fail server dishes up the steaming plate of fail. |
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| 03:57.29 | Lunessa | Ok, Exchange tools installer is full of fail. I'll do it tomorrow. |
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| 04:12.56 | Thunder_Child | a lot of things seem to be fail for you Lunessa |
| 04:13.09 | Lunessa | Life is Fail. |
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| 04:38.44 | Kraps | huh, just did http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12249 for 2 EPIC tank rewards, BANG server is down |
| 04:39.15 | Amarande | Kraps: the server will come up rolled back without your quest reward |
| 04:39.24 | Kraps | ZOMG NO! |
| 04:40.01 | NightHawkTheSane | its true. |
| 04:40.06 | Kraps | took the dude myself, with helper dude in tree form |
| 04:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ... ironically, the server just bombed for me too, what server are you on? :P |
| 04:40.31 | Kraps | and we're back, i'm good |
| 04:40.38 | Kraps | dalv |
| 04:40.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, not the same server. just an odd coincidence |
| 04:41.02 | Kraps | heh |
| 04:42.53 | Amarande | Night: same battlegroup? |
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| 05:11.27 | Shirik|Ecole | RAWR |
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| 05:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik|Ecole |
| 05:16.50 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik|Ecole with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 05:17.11 | Shirik|Ecole | So, I just finished writing my unit tests; I came to the school thinking I had a ton of work to do to fix the problems they'll find |
| 05:17.14 | Shirik|Ecole | all tests pass :/ |
| 05:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You broke your tests |
| 05:17.28 | Shirik|Ecole | ya |
| 05:17.29 | ScytheBlade1 | MORE DEBUGGING IS REQUIRED. |
| 05:17.39 | Shirik|Ecole | that being said, I absolutely love visual studio's automated tests |
| 05:18.04 | Shirik|Ecole | despite the fact that I had to write them in MC++ |
| 05:18.26 | AnduinLothar | lol SBO, that's nto lvling |
| 05:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's selling my junk |
| 05:18.48 | ScytheBlade1 | On my druid |
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| 05:19.21 | AnduinLothar | nice gnote btw |
| 05:19.27 | AnduinLothar | sound like something i should have |
| 05:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:19.40 | AnduinLothar | like an achievement title |
| 05:19.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I really am |
| 05:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Like I'm afk now |
| 05:20.00 | AnduinLothar | no you're not, you're typing |
| 05:20.03 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 05:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Not in WoW |
| 05:20.11 | AnduinLothar | :-D |
| 05:20.35 | AnduinLothar | you're making me look good tho, so that's good |
| 05:20.53 | AnduinLothar | it's hard to lvl watching back to back episodes of terminator |
| 05:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 66% to 77 |
| 05:21.12 | AnduinLothar | 3 bubbles to 79 |
| 05:22.47 | Tem | what's your guild note, ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:22.53 | ScytheBlade1 | "professional afker" |
| 05:23.32 | ScytheBlade1 | We had 17 people ask for the T7 token we got in Naxx |
| 05:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 17. |
| 05:23.44 | AnduinLothar | lulz |
| 05:23.48 | AnduinLothar | rolled on it right? |
| 05:23.50 | WobWork | http://www.nicetranslator.com/ |
| 05:23.52 | WobWork | interesting |
| 05:23.53 | kd3 | failtastic class balancing there |
| 05:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Narrowed it down to 3 and rolled |
| 05:24.14 | AnduinLothar | hoe'sd you narrow it to 3 on the first roll? |
| 05:24.20 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blog.ted.com/2008/11/wii_remote_ther.php |
| 05:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | only rolled once |
| 05:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Once we had narrowed it down |
| 05:24.35 | AnduinLothar | no i mean how'd you pick 3 |
| 05:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | same way we were LCing off all of the other items |
| 05:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Only this round we wound up with three instead of one |
| 05:24.56 | AnduinLothar | i wasnt in vent |
| 05:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And then rolled |
| 05:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah it wasn't in vent, it was in /o ;) |
| 05:25.21 | AnduinLothar | favorites! |
| 05:25.22 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 05:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:25.33 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah no ;) |
| 05:25.52 | WobWork | also |
| 05:25.53 | WobWork | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/3538616/Pictures-of-the-day-1-December-2008.html |
| 05:25.54 | WobWork | creepy |
| 05:26.03 | Shirik|Ecole | oops, there you go ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:26.04 | Shirik|Ecole | test failed |
| 05:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Good |
| 05:26.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Failure |
| 05:26.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail Shirik|Ecole |
| 05:26.15 | purl | Shirik|Ecole: FAIL! |
| 05:26.16 | Shirik|Ecole | forgot to cast unsigned char to signed char :( |
| 05:26.16 | AnduinLothar | i get the feeling i'm gonna be skipping heroics and goign strait to raiding the way they've been storming in there with 22 peeps |
| 05:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll finish the night one boss short of clearing our third wing |
| 05:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus malygos plus wintergrasp |
| 05:27.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Could have done all four wings if we didn't do malygos + wintergrasp |
| 05:27.08 | AnduinLothar | gonna be short weeks pretty soon |
| 05:27.13 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 05:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | very |
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| 05:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The content is... trivial |
| 05:32.06 | Shirik|Ecole | blah |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik|Ecole | my tests are wrong |
| 05:32.11 | Shirik|Ecole | not my code |
| 05:32.24 | kd3 | wait, wait, wait... didn't sbo say that? |
| 05:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 05:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 05:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes I did |
| 05:33.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Error: Program did not jump on instruction BGE with A == 0xFF (PC = 0x0000, Vector = 0xFFFF) <-- failure, it's not supposed to! -1 is not >= 0! |
| 05:33.18 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 05:33.36 | Corrodias | :O |
| 05:36.28 | Shirik|Ecole | ha, I fail |
| 05:36.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:26 < ScytheBlade1> ~fail Shirik|Ecole |
| 05:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I said that too |
| 05:37.07 | WobWork | ~failrik |
| 05:37.08 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:40.53 | Shirik|Ecole | Test run completed. Results: 20/20 Passed |
| 05:41.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Now here's the real question. Do I turn it in like this, or do I write the assembler that he wanted for extra credit |
| 05:41.19 | Shirik|Ecole | before 10 AM tomorrow |
| 05:43.17 | MentalPower|ZZzz | go assembler! |
| 05:43.29 | WobWork | what time is it now for you? |
| 05:43.33 | MentalPower|ZZzz | (this is me, not knowing exactly what writing the assembler entails) |
| 05:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | write the assembler, you don't need sleep |
| 05:44.00 | WobWork | although, more to the point |
| 05:44.07 | WobWork | what do you -lose- by trying for the assembler? |
| 05:44.45 | Shirik|Ecole | it's 12:40 AM, WobWork |
| 05:44.49 | Shirik|Ecole | WobWork: Sleep |
| 05:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | We one-shot everything tonight |
| 05:45.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 15 different bosses I think |
| 05:45.03 | WobWork | is sleep > extracredit? |
| 05:46.53 | Shirik|Ecole | considering I haven't gotten any in a while, it might be |
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| 05:47.27 | WobWork | then go to bed =) |
| 05:47.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I need extra credit |
| 05:48.00 | WobWork | aha |
| 05:48.05 | WobWork | then sleep < extracredit |
| 05:52.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:52.56 | Amarande | I just calculated something |
| 05:53.10 | Amarande | the next expansion after wotlk is the last expansion for which there will be any point to buying the skinning upgrade at all |
| 05:53.37 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 05:53.38 | WobWork | skinning upgrade? |
| 05:53.50 | Amarande | Wob: as in apprentice/journeyman/etc./foo master |
| 05:54.14 | Amarande | Shirik: The current expansion allows for you to skin mobs up to level 90, but the max mob level is 83 |
| 05:54.23 | Amarande | The next expansion will allow you to skin mobs up to 105, but the max mob level will be 93 |
| 05:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: welcome to six months ago |
| 05:54.50 | Amarande | And the expansion after that, presumably, will only provide mobs up to 103, thus giving absolutely no point for getting the next tier of skinning since you can already skin those with (whatever comes after Grand Master) |
| 05:54.51 | WobWork | and then? |
| 05:55.49 | WobWork | UberGrande Master |
| 05:55.56 | WobWork | or maybe Venti Master =P |
| 05:56.09 | NightHawkTheSane | really, they'll probably change the skinning formula |
| 05:56.37 | Amarande | Wob: "Supreme Master" probably |
| 05:56.38 | Amarande | like Lone WOlf |
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| 05:59.02 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:59.03 | Amarande | this is odd |
| 05:59.10 | Amarande | someone just linked "Dragon's Eye" as requiring Jewelcrafting 375 |
| 05:59.16 | Amarande | but it's not an equippable item |
| 05:59.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a gem |
| 05:59.48 | Amarande | yeah, but I thought recipes needed a skill level, not mats |
| 05:59.50 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the requirement's on there anyway. it's the gem that jewelcrafters can use to turn into BoP cut gems |
| 06:00.03 | ZorbaTHut | so, in practicality, it requires jewelcrafting 375 to make any use out of it. |
| 06:00.06 | Amarande | and apparently what first occurred to me didn't. :) |
| 06:00.37 | Amarande | I thought at first that maybe it was also used in some other profession's recipes, and you had to have JC+that to make said recipes |
| 06:01.07 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, it looks like it can also be used in some jewelcrafting recipes for BoE equipment |
| 06:01.11 | Amarande | do the prismatics count as one of each for metas? |
| 06:01.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i would never bet on them doing that |
| 06:01.24 | AnduinLothar | yes |
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| 06:22.59 | Tekkub | so now, you min/max types, answer me this |
| 06:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | 6 |
| 06:23.17 | Tekkub | hit and crit both give you effectivly the same damage boost, no? |
| 06:23.29 | Tekkub | and that equates to the same threat increase |
| 06:23.44 | Tekkub | so why does everyone focus on +hit first? |
| 06:23.49 | NightHawkTheSane | you can abstract out to that, sort of, y eah. but in reality it's not that clear |
| 06:23.56 | kd3 | because crit does you no good if you miss |
| 06:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 06:24.17 | kd3 | crit rate includes misses |
| 06:24.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Caster or physical DPS? |
| 06:24.25 | Tekkub | oh right, because +crit == -hit doesn't it |
| 06:24.42 | Tekkub | as you increase crit you push hit off the table |
| 06:24.44 | Tekkub | no? |
| 06:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Mages, warlocks, and oomkin all value hit > crit up until a certain point. Rogues do also. Enh shaman and hunters generally don't |
| 06:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And second you can't crit if you don't hit |
| 06:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | well, almost all spellcasters value hit > crit up to the cap |
| 06:25.42 | Tekkub | I thought it was one rool, you either hit, crit, or miss, you don't miss a crit |
| 06:25.48 | Tekkub | *roll |
| 06:25.49 | Codayus_ | Hit turns misses into hits. Crit turns hits into crits. So...in a sense, yes, adding crit means you get fewer normal hits. |
| 06:25.51 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 06:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I believe only white attacks follow the one-role system? |
| 06:26.01 | Yssaril | crit is worthless if you miss with the crit so hit will give you more bang for the buck till your capped then you want to go for crit |
| 06:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Two roll system has been more or less proven a... at least a year ago |
| 06:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm thinking two or three |
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| 06:26.25 | Codayus_ | And there actually is a two-roll system tucked into some bits of the system. Mele specials I think. |
| 06:26.36 | Codayus_ | Whereas spells are purely single-roll, yes? |
| 06:26.43 | Tekkub | so what you're saying is, no one knows, so they just say hit is better and everyone else perpetuates it? |
| 06:26.46 | Tekkub | GO INTERNETS! |
| 06:26.52 | Codayus_ | No. |
| 06:27.07 | NightHawkTheSane | no, there actually is math. most of us just don't care enough to regurgitate it completely right here. :P |
| 06:27.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm saying it varies on your class and spec |
| 06:27.13 | Codayus_ | If you care, go hang out at the EJ forums, there's scary serious amounts of sims, stats, and number crunching. |
| 06:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a two roll system in which you can't crit if you don't hit |
| 06:27.25 | Yssaril | Codayus_: crit/nocrit and ten if you actually hit with that |
| 06:28.13 | Tekkub | well the thing is, I don't care :P but anywho, I thought everything was one-roll, which is what was not making sense to me |
| 06:28.20 | Tekkub | two-roll, it makes sense |
| 06:28.40 | Codayus_ | *shrug* It gets too complex to follow more than 1-2 clas/specs. I know how it works for shadow priests and prot warriors. Everyone else is a mystery. :-p |
| 06:29.29 | Tekkub | some make them fix the Regal Shadow Crystal recipe! |
| 06:30.25 | Codayus_ | Tekkub: There's also other issues with things that proc on a crit or hit, how much damage your crits do compared to normals, dot uptime, diseases, bonuses, flurry, posion stacks, etc. |
| 06:30.58 | Tekkub | in short, it's not worth the brainpain if you don't raid "seriously" |
| 06:30.59 | Codayus_ | Then you get DKs, who use spell hit for some abilities, melee hit for others - both of which have very different mechanics and hit caps... |
| 06:31.41 | Tekkub | all my gear upgrades are clear... except haste, I never know how to compare haste to the others |
| 06:31.52 | Corrodias | depends on how your attacks work |
| 06:31.56 | Codayus_ | *nod* Even then, most serious raiders pick a cookie cutter spec, rotation, and stat weights. They *use* spreadsheets, but they couldn't begin to tell you where the nmbers come from. |
| 06:32.04 | Corrodias | well... a little. it affects cooldowns, too |
| 06:32.17 | Corrodias | depending on how things work, haste almost works as a direct % increase to damage output |
| 06:32.19 | Codayus_ | The serious/casual destinction is mostly "do you even have a spell rotation, or do you just mash whatever makes big numbers?" |
| 06:32.47 | Tekkub | so 1% haste = ~1% dam? |
| 06:32.52 | Codayus_ | Corrodias: For some classes. It has no effect on GCD for melee IIRC. |
| 06:33.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: depends on class. |
| 06:33.10 | Corrodias | i'd think so. you just output your abilities 1% faster, except as Codayus_ says |
| 06:33.14 | Tekkub | GIVE ME GENERALITIES DAMNIT! |
| 06:33.18 | NightHawkTheSane | there are none. :) |
| 06:33.25 | Tekkub | just do it |
| 06:33.27 | Amarande | Night dislikes generalization |
| 06:33.35 | Amarande | however, the one generalization I can say is generally true |
| 06:33.42 | Tekkub | I dislike it where it matters :P |
| 06:33.42 | Amarande | is that generally hit is better than anything else till you hit the hit cap |
| 06:33.47 | Corrodias | for feral druids and rogues, damage output is partly limited by energy |
| 06:33.55 | Corrodias | 10% haste will not increase damage output by 10% |
| 06:33.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: it's -impossible- to generalize how much 1% haste is worth. |
| 06:33.59 | Amarande | Corrodias: and no you can't stack glyphs of vigor |
| 06:34.04 | Amarande | someone asked that on trade chat earlier heh |
| 06:34.11 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, just say yes |
| 06:34.11 | Corrodias | i... don't even know what glyphs are, sorry >_> |
| 06:34.13 | Tekkub | ass |
| 06:34.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, some specs have haste plataeus where the value of haste changes depending on what your current value is. |
| 06:34.41 | Codayus_ | DoT rotations + haste = gah head hurt. |
| 06:34.52 | Amarande | Codayus_: I'm quitting aff, personally |
| 06:34.55 | Corrodias | for a hunter, if the haste affects your pet, then it's -almost- 1:1, except for the pet's focus not regenerating faster |
| 06:35.11 | Corrodias | i don't know if it does effect it, though |
| 06:35.13 | Tekkub | my rotation's easy! DoT DoT DoT blast flay flay death |
| 06:35.14 | Codayus_ | Anyhow, if your melee 1% haste is probably 1% more white damage. Which might be....30% of your overall damage. Or 60%, depends on class/spec/gear. |
| 06:35.22 | Tekkub | if it's not dea, get the fuck out |
| 06:35.26 | Codayus_ | It probably doesn't impact your yellow damage much, unless it does. |
| 06:35.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: except if you're a warrior, haste -> rage -> yellow damage :P |
| 06:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | or for enh shaman, haste influences WF procs |
| 06:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, for rogues haste affects energy regeneration, via combat potency |
| 06:36.33 | Codayus_ | But for a DK, it does sweet sod all, unless your some frost varaints... |
| 06:36.42 | Corrodias | it does affect energy? wow |
| 06:36.54 | Codayus_ | Corrodias - more procs. |
| 06:36.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: Combat Potency is a talent, off hand attacks have a chance to restore energy |
| 06:37.01 | Corrodias | ah |
| 06:37.20 | Tekkub | man, it's soooo fucking windy... it's gonna snow again! |
| 06:37.46 | Tekkub | maybe that's why my headache was so bad today, the preasure change |
| 06:37.53 | NightHawkTheSane | at least haste i can wrap my head around. >< armor pen still mystifies me. |
| 06:38.34 | Thunder_Child | i want wind and snow |
| 06:38.46 | Tekkub | pen's easy! |
| 06:38.47 | Amarande | Night: it makes warlocks suck in PvP |
| 06:38.50 | Amarande | that's about all I really know about it |
| 06:38.57 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> how does a holy pally put 57 points in holy and not have bacon of light? |
| 06:38.58 | Tekkub | just remember the slogan: Everyone likes penetration! |
| 06:39.08 | kd3 | bacon! |
| 06:39.10 | ZorbaTHut | mmmm |
| 06:39.13 | Tekkub | light bacon! |
| 06:39.13 | ZorbaTHut | delicious light bacon |
| 06:39.18 | Tekkub | is that even possible? |
| 06:39.35 | Tekkub | turkey bacon == light bacon? |
| 06:39.38 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, it is a concept that mystifies scientists even today, but with your donation, we can bring it one step closer to reality |
| 06:39.45 | kd3 | presumably light bacon is the no-salt kind |
| 06:39.45 | kd3 | ick |
| 06:39.50 | ZorbaTHut | donate to Photonic Bacon Research Incorporated |
| 06:39.54 | NightHawkTheSane | bacon without salt?! |
| 06:39.56 | Tekkub | eew, salt makes everything better |
| 06:39.59 | Amarande | Tekkub: my warlock really doesn't, it tends to result in sharp blades penetrating her from every which way |
| 06:40.26 | Tekkub | like I said, everyone likes penetration! |
| 06:40.35 | Tekkub | PENETRATION FOR EVERYBODY! |
| 06:40.55 | Corrodias | hmmm? |
| 06:40.57 | Corrodias | *perk* |
| 06:41.01 | Tekkub | see? |
| 06:42.24 | Amarande | Tekkub: you keep this talk of penetration and blades up and we'll be #WoW-BDSM :| |
| 06:43.08 | Tekkub | YOU are the one bringing blades into it |
| 06:43.10 | Corrodias | :d |
| 06:43.30 | Tekkub | I personally prefer my penetration ot be by blunt objects |
| 06:43.49 | Tekkub | *whistles innocently and waits for Cairenn* |
| 06:43.50 | Corrodias | when i played, i used cat paws for it |
| 06:44.01 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 06:44.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I go away for 5 minutes |
| 06:44.04 | Tekkub | I get plenty of that IRL Corrodias |
| 06:44.06 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf are you guys talking about |
| 06:44.13 | Tekkub | PENETRAION! |
| 06:44.16 | bleeter | so I think I've worked out a better emulation of me that purl can use |
| 06:44.17 | Tekkub | you know you like it! |
| 06:44.18 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 06:44.21 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 06:44.21 | purl | rant rant rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>good idea</sub>rant waaa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR COFFEE <blink><h1>terribad idea<h1></blink> rant |
| 06:44.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.39 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 06:44.50 | Corrodias | is that a serious channel? >_> <_< |
| 06:44.55 | Cairenn | errr, sorry, had an extra space in there |
| 06:44.58 | Corrodias | because you know. i kinda like that idea. |
| 06:44.58 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:45.00 | kd3 | the more people that join, the more serious it gets |
| 06:45.09 | Torhal_ | "World server down." |
| 06:45.54 | Shirik|Ecole | Woot, another test case I made incorrectly |
| 06:45.54 | bleeter | kd3: oh, another thing that seems to be A Good Reason to not going to F10 yet, rpmfusion seems to ahve their updates for their releases stuck in some kinda queue atm |
| 06:46.02 | kd3 | anyway, enough hacking around with php. http://kd3.is-a-geek.net/anime.php |
| 06:46.13 | kd3 | Shirik, actual recommendations (and not burst angel) ^ |
| 06:46.15 | Sixen | hai kd3 |
| 06:46.20 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 06:46.22 | kd3 | bleeter; ick |
| 06:46.27 | Shirik|Ecole | you didn't like burst angel? |
| 06:46.30 | kd3 | no |
| 06:46.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I haven't seen the ending tbh |
| 06:46.33 | kd3 | the ending ruined it for me |
| 06:46.40 | Amarande | Cairenn, I keep thinking that if I make a guild anytime soon it will be <House Shahrizai> |
| 06:46.40 | bleeter | kd3: you can pull them outta the build machines, but theyre not signed (off?) |
| 06:46.47 | Tekkub | I need new animes |
| 06:47.21 | Cairenn | Amarande: *purr* |
| 06:47.31 | Tekkub | ever since vegapunk got like a fucking year behind on One Piece |
| 06:47.42 | kd3 | ama; cai, bah. I still need to read her newest book |
| 06:47.52 | Corrodias | i think my kitty is either dreaming or having a seizure |
| 06:47.54 | Tekkub | and Dennou Coil was so short /sad |
| 06:48.03 | Cairenn | those books are yummmmmmmmmmy |
| 06:48.04 | Tekkub | I need some kickass show like Dennou to watch |
| 06:48.05 | kd3 | where the good prince pisses off cashiel |
| 06:48.13 | kd3 | kushiel* |
| 06:48.42 | bleeter | mmm kitten huffing |
| 06:49.30 | bleeter | oO |
| 06:49.41 | bleeter | Nechckn: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Chicken_huffing |
| 06:50.25 | Cairenn | I need to get the rest of the Meredith Gentry series, too |
| 06:51.00 | Amarande | Cairenn: indeed ... if you see me at Dragon*Con next year, I'll be in a Shahrizai noble costume |
| 06:51.13 | Cairenn | Amarande: *whimper* |
| 06:51.19 | Amarande | I'm thinking if it will be suitable to simply grow my hair out and dye it or if I'll need a wig |
| 06:51.42 | Nechckn | bleeter no, you cannot have my any portions of my anatomy for huffing purposes |
| 06:51.43 | Amarande | Cairenn, you going to Con? :) |
| 06:52.00 | Cairenn | Amarande: unlikely |
| 06:52.02 | kd3 | gack; it's 2 am. what the hell am I still doing up? gotta go to work at 8 am. >.< |
| 06:52.11 | Cairenn | night kd3 |
| 06:52.15 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 06:52.20 | bleeter | Nechckn: "my any portions of my", I humbly suggest someone already has :/; |
| 06:52.25 | bleeter | gnight kd3 |
| 06:53.20 | Nechckn | lol... the brain does not count! |
| 06:53.29 | Nechckn | That's been looooong gone |
| 06:53.38 | Amarande | Nechckn, did you lose it during the zombie weekend? |
| 06:54.01 | Nechckn | nah.. I had to turn away many a hungry zombie, though. |
| 06:54.15 | Amarande | I pretty much stayed high above Shattrath on my netherdrake the whole time |
| 06:56.09 | Amarande | Cairenn, I'll make sure there's plenty of pictures :) |
| 06:56.12 | Cairenn | Amarande: I don't think I could find anyone that could properly draw the briar rose tattoo on my back, even if I could go |
| 06:56.15 | Amarande | especially with how much this is going to cost |
| 06:56.41 | Amarande | Shahrizai ... I need deeper blue contacts than my natural eye color, and then there's the long robe, which is gonna run over a hundred for just the mats for sure |
| 06:57.25 | Amarande | probably should get a sword, too, though I can just buy that at Con itself |
| 06:58.02 | Amarande | you should take a look at the Terre d'Ange site if you haven't, too |
| 07:01.41 | Cairenn | if I were to go, and if I were to wear what would be true to myself, it'd shock the hell out of people :p |
| 07:01.53 | Amarande | Cairenn, which House do you think you'd belong to? :) |
| 07:03.01 | Amarande | I'm actually going to have to make that decision at some point ... at Terre d'Ange we actually have the Houses as part of the site structure |
| 07:03.13 | Amarande | and since I'm definitely not a Cassiline ... LOL |
| 07:03.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:04.21 | Cairenn | oh, I know which house I would belong in, but I'm not saying a thing, and don't bother trying to guess because I wouldn't tell you even if you got it right |
| 07:04.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I will now go home I think |
| 07:04.58 | Amarande | lol |
| 07:04.58 | Cairenn | that's much too personal a thing for me to allow to be known about me, considering my position in the community |
| 07:06.22 | Shirik|Ecole | house? |
| 07:06.23 | Cairenn | :p |
| 07:06.25 | Shirik|Ecole | what houses are these? |
| 07:06.35 | Amarande | Shirik: of the Night Court in Kushiel |
| 07:06.38 | Cairenn | Shirik|Ecole: don't worry about it, it's from a book series |
| 07:06.44 | Shirik|Ecole | oh ok |
| 07:06.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I go to home now |
| 07:06.47 | Amarande | totally awesome series, and you need to read it :) |
| 07:06.48 | Shirik|Ecole | byes |
| 07:07.10 | Cairenn | Amarande: a lot of people have a real problem reading that series, for many different reasons |
| 07:09.10 | Amarande | yeah, sometimes I wonder if I should give content warnings when recommending it |
| 07:09.19 | Cairenn | it is rather explicit |
| 07:09.55 | Tekkub | sounds like that vampire/werewolf series a coworker at wally was reading |
| 07:10.09 | Amarande | although, the intricacy of how it is written |
| 07:10.10 | Corrodias | *eyebrow* |
| 07:10.14 | Tekkub | she kept telling me all the good crap in it |
| 07:10.19 | Amarande | makes it difficult to say much of -anything- about it without giving spoilers |
| 07:10.21 | Tekkub | but it never had any werebears |
| 07:10.25 | Amarande | Tekkub: Sherrilyn Kenyon's Dark-Hunters? |
| 07:10.36 | Tekkub | is it like, 9 books or so? |
| 07:11.05 | Amarande | I forget how many there are right now in it |
| 07:11.16 | Amarande | the latest ones are Acheron and One Silent Night, if it's the series I'm thinking of |
| 07:11.19 | Tekkub | seems it's up to 25 |
| 07:11.21 | Tekkub | that might be it |
| 07:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | pally healers without beacon of light make me cry |
| 07:13.26 | Amarande | Cairenn: do you also find it difficult to find Melisande anything but totally awesome? :) |
| 07:13.37 | Cairenn | no comment |
| 07:14.41 | Tekkub | oh it does have werebears |
| 07:14.46 | Tekkub | that must be the one :) |
| 07:15.11 | Amarande | As far as Dark-Hunters goes ... let's just say I actually stood in the line as long as it took to get Acheron signed at Con this year |
| 07:16.20 | Tekkub | I don't know if I'd like it, I'm not big on novels, but I does love me some werebear |
| 07:16.39 | Amarande | Kenyon is awesome |
| 07:16.50 | Amarande | not quite as awesome as Carey IMO, but awesome anyway |
| 07:17.10 | Corrodias | i'm not so much for serious ones, these days |
| 07:17.14 | Amarande | explicitness attracts me, especially that of a darker and more painful bent |
| 07:18.24 | Cairenn | have you read the Meredith Gentry series by Hamilton? |
| 07:18.31 | Corrodias | *eyebrow* mmm, i'm starting to like the sound of this |
| 07:18.39 | Tekkub | kd3, can you get me all of slayers to watch? |
| 07:18.46 | Tekkub | I've never been able to find it |
| 07:18.48 | Amarande | Cairenn: nope ... I've only got a couple of Hamilton books and haven't gotten to reading them yet |
| 07:18.55 | Cairenn | check them out |
| 07:19.07 | Tekkub | netflix has had them in the "someday" queue for fucking years, like they're out of print |
| 07:19.17 | Cairenn | they're a bit lighter than Carey |
| 07:19.21 | Shirik | so, The Night Cort in Kushiel |
| 07:19.24 | Shirik | hm? |
| 07:19.31 | Shirik | Court* |
| 07:19.32 | Cairenn | Shirik: aye |
| 07:19.44 | Amarande | I have to admire her, though, especially after hearing a particular fact about her at D*Con |
| 07:20.06 | Shirik | google says no results? |
| 07:20.07 | Amarande | when I was standing in the Kenyon signing line at Con (which was also the Hamilton signing line) I heard Hamilton has carpal tunnel or something of the such |
| 07:20.25 | Amarande | writing with carpal tunnel ... that's really dedication |
| 07:20.57 | Amarande | reminds me of the guitarist from Lycia who has diabetes and it actually was painful for him to play guitar, yet he did some really beautiful music anyway |
| 07:20.58 | Shirik | Kushiel's _____ |
| 07:21.01 | Shirik | is that all it? |
| 07:21.06 | End | wow |
| 07:21.09 | Amarande | yeah, all of them are Kushiel's something or other |
| 07:21.19 | Amarande | the order is Dart, Chosen, Avatar, Scion, Justice, and Mercy |
| 07:21.35 | End | my account has credit until next march, and it's almost halfway into my 3month recurring :P |
| 07:21.44 | Amarande | though the seventh Terre d'Ange book won't continue that pattern |
| 07:21.45 | Shirik | there's an order? |
| 07:21.49 | Amarande | yeah |
| 07:22.15 | End | (silly scrolls of resurrection) |
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| 07:24.22 | Amarande | Shirik: there's two trilogies, one after the other |
| 07:25.32 | Shirik | man, I still can't believe all my tests succeeded |
| 07:25.38 | Shirik | seeing green across the board makes me so happy |
| 07:26.31 | Thunder_Child | still have that niggleing "where the fuck did i screw up" feeling? |
| 07:26.58 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Not really, because I did a really complex integration test, too |
| 07:27.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, good |
| 07:27.13 | Amarande | Thunder_Child: what's really fun is when it compiles without warnings, THEN dumps core |
| 07:27.54 | Shirik | And I added an accidental test too. I compiled the code incorrectly first (it's a CPU simulator), and I was getting "Test failed: CPU panic: General protection fault (unknown instruction)" |
| 07:28.09 | End | how about when it dumps core before main gets called >_> |
| 07:28.11 | Shirik | After a few minutes I realized my mistake. So I know that it's correctly catching bad code too |
| 07:28.21 | Amarande | is GPF the same as SIGSEGV, btw? |
| 07:28.25 | Shirik | Well |
| 07:28.29 | Shirik | It was a simulated GPF :) |
| 07:28.47 | Shirik | i.e., my simulated CPU raised a general protection fault |
| 07:28.52 | Shirik | but yes |
| 07:29.07 | Shirik | in fact, SIGSEGV doesn't really exist. If you look up the intel docs it is consistently called a general protection fault |
| 07:29.29 | Shirik | SIGSEGV is an abstraction layer above the CPU :) |
| 07:29.45 | Amarande | presumably, SIGSEGV is the OS side of things |
| 07:29.49 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:30.02 | Shirik | The OS traps a GPF and then raises SIGSEGV because that's what POSIX defined most of what a GPF is |
| 07:30.17 | Shirik | (Though there are some GPFs that don't really make sense as a SIGSEGV, but it's close enough) |
| 07:30.34 | Shirik | privileged instruction being one of them |
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| 07:31.38 | Shirik | I _REALLY_ wish Windows stopped calling it an "Access violation" |
| 07:31.57 | Shirik | Because unaligned access of memory comes up as an access violation too, which makes zero sense whatsoever :P |
| 07:33.03 | Amarande | remember the days when memory wasn't protected at all? |
| 07:33.18 | Amarande | and self-modifying code was considered a way to save precious RAM? |
| 07:33.46 | Hunter85 | Question: it should work with with "not" in a expresion right? "while not false do"... |
| 07:33.52 | Hunter85 | in lua |
| 07:34.15 | Shirik | Hunter85: Sure |
| 07:34.21 | Hunter85 | k, thanks |
| 07:34.24 | Shirik | though keep in mind your order of operations |
| 07:34.44 | bleeter | which came first, SIGSGV or GPF? |
| 07:34.45 | Hunter85 | ok |
| 07:34.48 | bleeter | *SEGV |
| 07:35.25 | Shirik | Was Linux out before Windows 3.1? |
| 07:35.37 | Shirik | Well, better question. Was Linux out before the 8086? |
| 07:35.47 | Shirik | Correction: Unix |
| 07:36.00 | Amarande | Unix was out in the PDP days I think |
| 07:36.06 | Shirik | The 8086 was the first protected-mode processor I know of |
| 07:36.27 | Shirik | And windows 3.1 called it a GPF |
| 07:36.39 | Shirik | I still remember seeing those errors pop up |
| 07:37.15 | bleeter | technically, SIGSEGV was defined in 1988 with IEEE Std 1003.1-1988, GPF defined in 1986 with the 80386 programmer's manual |
| 07:38.14 | Shirik | really? It wasn't in the 8086? |
| 07:39.03 | Shirik | oh no that's right, the 80286 was the first protected mode chip |
| 07:41.28 | Shirik | I like wikipedia's history of error messages |
| 07:42.05 | Shirik | [Program Name] has caused a General Protection Fault in module [module name] at [debug code]. (Win 3.xx) --> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. (Windows 9x) --> [Program Name/Description] has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. (Windows XP) --> [Program Name/Description] has stopped working. (Windows Vista) |
| 07:42.10 | Shirik | Notice they get stupider and stupider |
| 07:42.26 | Amarande | wow |
| 07:42.32 | Amarande | what's the point of dumbing stuff down like that? |
| 07:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The technical info is logged. |
| 07:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No point in showing it to the average user. |
| 07:42.53 | Shirik | haven't you ever heard customers calling IT about how their computer is doing something illegal? |
| 07:42.59 | Shirik | And yeah that info is logged :) |
| 07:44.33 | Shirik | Example, I'm on Vista, so I saw the "Ventrilo has stopped working" message |
| 07:44.36 | Shirik | but in my log I have Faulting application Ventrilo.exe, version 3.0.1.0, time stamp 0x473f5606, faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x00000000, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x00000000, process id 0x224, application start time 0x01c94cfa83b1d17d. |
| 07:44.49 | Amarande | Shirik: wonder how many folks call IT about how their computer failed while trying to steal music or such |
| 07:44.57 | Shirik | which is everything you could want to know :) Exception code 0xc0000005 == NT_STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION, etc. |
| 07:44.59 | Amarande | most likely a fair number |
| 07:45.12 | Amarande | given that you every now and then hear stories about people doing things like showing ID when they go to rob the liquor store :| |
| 07:46.05 | Amarande | oh, and the guy who tried to rob a bank and wrote the holdup note on the back of one of his deposit slips |
| 07:46.12 | Amarande | the ones that have his name, address and account number on them :| |
| 07:46.22 | Amarande | fail people are fail |
| 07:46.27 | Shirik | my bank is fail |
| 07:46.45 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 07:46.46 | purl | rant rant rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>good idea</sub>rant waaa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR COFFEE <blink><h1>terribad idea<h1></blink> rant |
| 07:46.48 | Shirik | I got my new debit card recently, I went to an ATM to check that it works and it says my balance is $-730 |
| 07:46.57 | Amarande | also on the list of fail robbers: the guy in texas I think it was who tried to rob a gun store |
| 07:47.08 | Amarande | he won't be making that error twice, anyway |
| 07:47.13 | Shirik | because apparently my mom also needed a new debit card, and so they linked her card to MY account instead of hers |
| 07:47.22 | bleeter | haha |
| 07:47.27 | Shirik | and then she used it on black friday |
| 07:47.30 | Amarande | Shirik: how long is that going to take to sort out? |
| 07:47.36 | Shirik | it's already been sorted out :) |
| 07:49.23 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Question. Anyone that gets the certificate I make can use it? Or do they need the private key to correctly identify themselves as well? |
| 07:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | .. the private key is kind of important |
| 07:51.44 | Amarande | yeah, the private key is -what verifies you as being the owner- |
| 07:51.54 | Amarande | the public key is only good for verifying whether stuff signed with the private key is kosher |
| 07:52.20 | Shirik | ok I was hoping that was true |
| 07:52.30 | Shirik | otherwise anyone that got a hold of that cert could use it |
| 07:52.40 | Amarande | it's like PGP |
| 07:52.46 | Amarande | you keep the private key secret, and distribute the public key |
| 07:53.00 | Shirik | right |
| 07:53.06 | Amarande | then you sign stuff with the private key, and the public key is used to verify |
| 07:53.21 | Amarande | when you want to encrypt stuff for someone, you have to use THEIR PUBLIC key, not your private |
| 07:53.34 | Amarande | (if you use your private key, then anyone with your public key can decrypt ...) |
| 07:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and one is useless without the other |
| 07:53.48 | ScytheBlade1 | (from the POV of someone who has usage of both) |
| 07:53.50 | Corrodias | if one has been "lost", yea, they're useless |
| 07:53.56 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Did I tell you that Vista has an awesome utility to create a CSR, but by default it chucks the private key out the window? |
| 07:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 07:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I still use openssl |
| 07:54.05 | Corrodias | well, the other is useless |
| 07:54.13 | Shirik | I can't understand why that would be default |
| 07:54.27 | Shirik | I spent 30 minutes trying to install my cert on Firefox before I realized I didn't have the private key |
| 07:54.27 | Amarande | Shirik: it's probably a 'make sure the user is aware' feature |
| 07:54.56 | Amarande | like how some perl and tcl scripts I've seen have "die" commands put into them so that the user has to actually go through the scripts and check the configuration or they won't run |
| 07:54.58 | Shirik | however, it's working great, thanks ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 07:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, good to hear |
| 07:55.11 | Shirik | but something's probably broken that I'll find in 2 weeks |
| 07:55.13 | Shirik | like my DNS |
| 07:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You should wrap your certs in pkcs12 |
| 07:55.22 | Shirik | I did |
| 07:55.30 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:55.33 | Shirik | in fact that's the only form Firefox can accept them as |
| 07:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Good, that's the easiest way to work with them from an end-user perspective |
| 07:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 07:55.42 | Amarande | someone should do a survey of what % of irc nicks start with a particular letter |
| 07:55.49 | Amarande | I swear A is by far more common than any other |
| 07:56.01 | Tekkub | stupid question time (looks at Shirik) |
| 07:56.07 | Tekkub | coroutines |
| 07:56.10 | Tekkub | teach meh! |
| 07:56.16 | Shirik | batbot: Is the letter "A" more common as a first letter in IRC nicknames? |
| 07:56.16 | batbot | Shirik, It is certain. |
| 07:56.20 | Shirik | there you go Amarande |
| 07:56.23 | Shirik | Tekkub: What's to know? |
| 07:56.29 | Shirik | You run them, they yield, you resume them |
| 07:56.30 | Tekkub | I have something where I want to split all my stacks into singles, then post the singles on AH |
| 07:56.43 | Tekkub | I assume coroutines are what I'm after? |
| 07:56.58 | Shirik | You could do it that way if you want to, yes |
| 07:57.06 | Shirik | Basically just think of a coroutine as another thread |
| 07:57.10 | Shirik | In fact, it IS another thread |
| 07:57.21 | Tekkub | fuck, thinking |
| 07:57.24 | Shirik | lua> return type(coroutine.create(function() end)) |
| 07:57.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: thread |
| 07:57.25 | Tekkub | you dun ruined it now |
| 07:57.50 | Shirik | But it's really simple, watch: |
| 07:58.46 | Shirik | lua> function foo() print(1) print(2) coroutine.yield(); print(3) print(4) coroutine.yield(); print(5) end; co = coroutine.create(foo); while coroutine.resume(co) do print("Hello!"); end |
| 07:58.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1, 2, Hello!, 3, 4, Hello!, 5, Hello! |
| 07:58.59 | Shirik | note that coroutine.resume doesn't return until the thread yields |
| 07:59.08 | Shirik | and then the next call to coroutine.resume picks up where it left off |
| 07:59.41 | Shirik | coroutine.resume returns false followed by an error message if an error occurs (which includes attempting to resume a dead coroutine) |
| 08:00.00 | Shirik | Also, coroutine.resume acts as a pcall. If any errors occur in the coroutine, they are caught |
| 08:00.13 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 08:00.13 | Shirik | And that's all you really need to know :) |
| 08:01.09 | Tekkub | and this works well with events too eh? |
| 08:01.11 | Shirik | there's other capabilities, such as return values from coroutine.yield or passing parameters to coroutine.resume or coroutine.wrap, but one step at a time :) |
| 08:01.19 | Tekkub | cause I have to wait for the server do respond, of course |
| 08:01.39 | Shirik | I assume a valid design for what you want to do is build a closure that will do EVERYTHING you need to do, with coroutine.yield() at the points where you need to wait for a serve response |
| 08:01.51 | Shirik | then resume it when you receive the appropriate event that says you can continue |
| 08:02.03 | Tekkub | okey, makes sense |
| 08:02.22 | Tekkub | like say, make a loop that splits off a single item then yeilds |
| 08:02.30 | Tekkub | then when the bags update, resume |
| 08:02.31 | Shirik | yup |
| 08:02.42 | Tekkub | when the bags are full or the items are all split, exit out |
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| 08:03.13 | Shirik | keep in mind though that resuming a coroutine is not a cheap operation, and I would question why you wouldn't simply do that in the event handler itself :) |
| 08:03.15 | Tekkub | then proceed into the sales loop, post item, wait for update, repeat |
| 08:03.31 | Shirik | oh you have more to do? Then I agree |
| 08:03.34 | Tekkub | cheap don't matter |
| 08:03.40 | Tekkub | it's only happening at the AH |
| 08:03.48 | Shirik | cheap is very important at the AH! |
| 08:04.02 | Shirik | I only buy stuff if it's cheap enough |
| 08:05.01 | Amarande | I'm still ticked that the Riding Crop is no longer significantly useful |
| 08:05.01 | Tekkub | quiet you |
| 08:05.04 | Amarande | that was one of my favorite items :( |
| 08:05.15 | Tekkub | I'm still waiting for the new crop |
| 08:05.32 | Amarande | you know, I haven't even seen trade chat on Turalyon in like forever |
| 08:05.33 | Tekkub | they need to decide to just make it an all-class minor for fucks sake |
| 08:05.34 | Fisker- | Anal [Riding Crop]? |
| 08:05.51 | Amarande | because the only character I ever log on to on Turalyon is still lounging in Zangarmarsh |
| 08:06.02 | Amarande | Fisker: For Elua's sake don't start with that one :| |
| 08:06.03 | Tekkub | *minor glyph |
| 08:06.14 | Tekkub | it's the obvious solution |
| 08:06.20 | Amarande | I still remember when I'd avoid trade chat for days because of that BS heh |
| 08:06.28 | Tekkub | days? |
| 08:06.34 | Tekkub | I left trade YEARS ago |
| 08:06.36 | Tekkub | literally! |
| 08:06.50 | Amarande | but no, it wasn't Anal chat |
| 08:07.00 | Amarande | it was more a more serious conversation about the attractiveness of the crop |
| 08:07.01 | Tekkub | no it was LFG |
| 08:07.12 | Tekkub | LFG + Anal == LFOrgy |
| 08:07.33 | Amarande | I hardly went to LFG chat anyway |
| 08:07.43 | Fisker- | it was awesome when LFG = 1. Global General Chat |
| 08:07.55 | Amarande | yeah, whatever happened to global chat :| |
| 08:08.14 | Amarande | I get bored sometimes in zones like silithus who have no chat whatsoever other than what chat you can drum up from the few guildies who are on |
| 08:08.19 | Fisker- | It was funny because it was "OMG NOOBS THIS IS THE LFG CHANNEL" |
| 08:08.28 | Fisker- | Then people were like "LFG <insert question/statement>" |
| 08:08.28 | Fisker- | :D |
| 08:10.10 | Tekkub | LF2M ORGY! FULL ON TOPS! NEED HEALER! |
| 08:10.12 | Shirik | This should be amusing to ask, if only to see the answer |
| 08:10.24 | Shirik | I'm thinking about applying for an internship at Microsoft. What do you all think? :) |
| 08:10.34 | Tekkub | internship, lawl |
| 08:10.34 | Tem | Shirik, I know a guy |
| 08:10.35 | Fisker- | awsum |
| 08:10.41 | Fisker- | giev free products Shirik |
| 08:10.43 | Tem | you should go for it |
| 08:10.45 | Tekkub | you should get an apprenticeship at a smithy |
| 08:10.50 | Tem | there's no way he's smarter than you |
| 08:10.55 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:10.55 | Tem | and he got in pretty easily |
| 08:11.01 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 08:11.01 | Shirik | screenshotted |
| 08:11.08 | Amarande | Shirik: make sure you let our warlocks drain your soul before you stop having one? |
| 08:11.12 | Amarande | we'd like Shirik soul shards as souvenirs |
| 08:11.35 | Shirik | If I could put Microsoft on my resume, tbh, that opens up a lot of doors I think |
| 08:11.53 | Tem | agreed |
| 08:11.57 | Fisker- | Yeah you can get a job at me with those credentials! |
| 08:11.58 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 08:12.00 | Tekkub | windows, door, huh huh |
| 08:12.44 | Tem | I thought we talked about this yesterday, Tekkub |
| 08:12.51 | Tekkub | what? |
| 08:12.51 | Tem | there are some puns that you must ignore |
| 08:12.56 | Tekkub | I'm wearing panfs |
| 08:12.58 | Tem | _always_ |
| 08:15.04 | Amarande | anyway |
| 08:15.13 | Fisker- | panfs? |
| 08:15.17 | Fisker- | that doesn't beat pampers |
| 08:15.17 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 08:15.20 | Tekkub | Shirik, if I yield mid-loop, I assume it'll resume correctly? |
| 08:15.27 | Amarande | time for me to go to bed and dream awesome dreams that are inappropriate for discussion |
| 08:15.29 | Amarande | night folks. :) |
| 08:15.32 | Tekkub | I.E. I want to iterate over the bags, once |
| 08:15.53 | Amarande | ok, that's definitely an indication I'm sleepy, Tekkub |
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| 08:15.57 | Tekkub | fuck dreams, let your brain design things while you sleep |
| 08:16.01 | Amarande | I thought 'iterate' meant something dirty there. :P |
| 08:16.22 | Tekkub | Amarande, example: http://gist.github.com/29925 |
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| 08:16.55 | Tekkub | Shirik, if I yield mid-loop, I assume it'll resume correctly? I.E. I want to iterate over the bags, once |
| 08:17.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Yup. Do you know anything about the C side of Lua? |
| 08:17.45 | Tekkub | nope! |
| 08:17.50 | Tekkub | don't wanna either! |
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| 08:18.18 | Shirik|Ecole | ah, well suffice to say, coroutines are completely different .... lua ... environments, sorta |
| 08:18.20 | Shirik|Ecole | they're called states. |
| 08:18.40 | Shirik|Ecole | So if you yield, you literally are just stopping the VM in its tracks |
| 08:18.45 | Shirik|Ecole | and it will pick up later from the next operation |
| 08:19.24 | Thunder_Child | Sex, Drugs, Rock and Roll. |
| 08:22.58 | bleeter | whoa, haiku is now self hosting woots |
| 08:23.11 | bleeter | might just have to build it to play |
| 08:23.15 | Fisker- | my head explodes |
| 08:23.15 | Fisker- | :E |
| 08:24.00 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 08:24.01 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 08:24.26 | Fisker- | no u :( |
| 08:24.32 | Thunder_Child | dont blame Shirik, for your stuff |
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| 08:24.36 | batrick | i blame purl |
| 08:24.41 | Shirik|Ecole | it's ok |
| 08:24.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm blamed for everything |
| 08:24.48 | Thunder_Child | s/,// |
| 08:24.56 | Fisker- | i'm sick :( |
| 08:24.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, ya, when there is a good reason for it |
| 08:25.07 | Fisker- | so my head can't comprehend 1+1 = 2 without exploding :( |
| 08:25.13 | Shirik|Ecole | hey hey |
| 08:25.14 | Shirik|Ecole | Fisker- |
| 08:25.16 | Thunder_Child | but idle blaming just wastes it |
| 08:25.19 | Shirik|Ecole | Fisker- |
| 08:25.23 | Fisker- | Shirik|Ecole |
| 08:25.24 | Shirik|Ecole | what's 2-1? |
| 08:25.24 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 08:25.26 | Fisker- | :( |
| 08:25.34 | Shirik|Ecole | did it work? did he asplode? |
| 08:25.41 | Thunder_Child | no, he got it wrong |
| 08:25.44 | Shirik|Ecole | o |
| 08:25.45 | Fisker- | nah substraction is an implosion! |
| 08:26.01 | Shirik|Ecole | hey, does batbot still think smileys are valid boolean values? |
| 08:26.06 | Shirik|Ecole | --> return true, false |
| 08:26.06 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: > true, false |
| 08:26.10 | Shirik|Ecole | aww |
| 08:26.15 | Shirik|Ecole | you fixed it batrick? |
| 08:26.24 | Fisker- | --> :) |
| 08:26.24 | batbot | Fisker-: @ [string ":)"]:1: unexpected symbol near ':' |
| 08:26.25 | Fisker- | :E |
| 08:26.30 | batrick | no shirik |
| 08:26.50 | Fisker- | teach us a trick batrick |
| 08:26.52 | batrick | My serialize module doesn't serialize anything but the global environment |
| 08:27.23 | batrick | so when you force batbot to kill the thread and make a new one, the metatable changes are lost |
| 08:27.32 | Shirik|Ecole | --> return true, false |
| 08:27.33 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: > :), :( |
| 08:27.39 | Shirik|Ecole | hehehe |
| 08:28.12 | Fisker- | --> return true, false |
| 08:28.12 | batbot | Fisker-: > :), :( |
| 08:28.14 | Fisker- | nice |
| 08:28.37 | bleeter | eek gcc 2.95.. hmm |
| 08:28.43 | bleeter | might just go the vmware images |
| 08:29.26 | Shirik|Ecole | hahaha bleeter |
| 08:29.32 | Shirik|Ecole | My QNX had gcc 2.95 |
| 08:29.41 | Shirik|Ecole | omg I wanted to stab myself, you have no idea how many problems I had |
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| 08:30.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I had so many problems I couldn't actually get my stuff to work correctly until I recompiled the entire OS |
| 08:30.22 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: BeOS was 2.95, so if haiku want to maintain binary compatibility for at least their first release, is understandable. apparently there's some mixed mode 2.95/4 thingie that it can do, but it breaks compt |
| 08:30.22 | Shirik|Ecole | thankfully I now use 4.2.4 |
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| 08:32.24 | batrick | Shirik|Ghost: where is the hole in batbot u promised u would find |
| 08:32.26 | Thunder_Child | speaking of VMware, anyone have a working hackintosh VMware iamge? |
| 08:32.33 | Shirik|Ghost | ... |
| 08:32.35 | Shirik|Ghost | stupid brighthouse |
| 08:32.51 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: Maybe I already found it |
| 08:32.54 | Shirik|Ecole | and I'm stealing all your passwords |
| 08:33.01 | batrick | except I've been eyeing my logs |
| 08:33.06 | batrick | so you can't lie to me =) |
| 08:33.17 | Shirik|Ecole | I modified your logs to remove it |
| 08:33.33 | batrick | doubt it |
| 08:35.34 | Shirik|Ecole | is anyone watching robot chicken right now? |
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| 08:46.41 | Thunder_Child | not if they are smart |
| 08:47.09 | Pizik_IRGone | Brighthouse the Electronics goods store? "[08:34:50] <@Shirik|Ghost> stupid brighthouse" |
| 08:47.39 | Fisker- | nah his house is bright |
| 08:47.51 | Pizik_IRGone | ;op |
| 08:56.32 | Shirik|Ecole | Pizik_IRGone: No, Cable company |
| 08:57.41 | Shirik|Ecole | ok I go to sleep now |
| 08:57.42 | Shirik|Ecole | night |
| 08:58.06 | batrick | good night friend shirik |
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| 10:53.54 | foxlit | So wrong: heavy frostweave bandages sell for less than heavy netherweave bandages. |
| 10:54.22 | zenzio | to vendor? |
| 10:54.47 | foxlit | yes |
| 10:54.52 | zenzio | o_O |
| 10:55.06 | foxlit | I don't think there's a human market for bandages, anyway |
| 10:55.59 | zenzio | true |
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| 11:46.21 | WobWork | early maint for US? |
| 11:46.49 | bleeter | seems so |
| 11:47.42 | WobWork | alas |
| 11:48.58 | bleeter | is the editing and plot exploration as terrinad as dave stratton and whatsername made it sound? |
| 11:49.03 | bleeter | *terribad |
| 11:49.16 | bleeter | margaret pomerantz thingy |
| 11:50.55 | WobWork | well, it's the first bond movie, in which the 'title' is never outright mentioned |
| 11:51.09 | WobWork | and it has the first Bond girl that -doesn't- sleep with him |
| 11:51.22 | WobWork | although Olgya (sp?) is verra pretty =) |
| 11:53.10 | bleeter | apparently they tried once to set a bond movie in australia, but the script was so cinge making the final product had no mention of australia in it |
| 11:53.15 | bleeter | cringe |
| 11:53.34 | bleeter | there was something in The Australian about it the other day, near Utzen's obit |
| 11:54.25 | bleeter | btw WobWork ... lol Victoria Police, you'd think by now they'd have learned the secret is to not get caught ;) |
| 11:54.45 | bleeter | dunno what's more outrages, that they're so bloody corrupt or they keep getting caught =)) |
| 11:54.53 | WobWork | silly |
| 11:54.55 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 11:54.56 | purl | rant rant rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>good idea</sub>rant waaa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR COFFEE <blink><h1>terribad idea<h1></blink> rant |
| 11:55.09 | WobWork | You've got a lot of markup =) |
| 11:55.37 | bleeter | blink wasn't enough, nor was h1 |
| 11:55.59 | bleeter | though tbh I have no idea if those ever worked together, probably did mind you |
| 11:56.13 | WobWork | The editing for QoS was a bit... blinkyblinky |
| 11:56.21 | WobWork | ie, you're never quite sure what's happening |
| 11:56.34 | WobWork | plot development was minimal, it's like the whole movie was a setup to the sequel |
| 11:56.58 | WobWork | although that's mostly cause I was waiting for mention of "Quantum of Solace" |
| 11:57.07 | bleeter | pretty much what i'd heard, then.. be buggered if I'm paying that much for it in the cinema |
| 11:57.11 | WobWork | cause I wanted to see them use it in a sentence =P |
| 11:57.33 | WobWork | It was quite funny at times |
| 11:57.50 | WobWork | it had the prerequisite 'insert <vehicle> chase scene here' |
| 11:57.59 | WobWork | a lot of explosions |
| 11:58.09 | WobWork | (gratuituous amount of destruction) |
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| 12:01.40 | bleeter | by christ, chance of snow again tonight :/ |
| 12:01.59 | bleeter | WobWork: so all in all, not that good eh? |
| 12:02.12 | bleeter | wouldn't rush out and buy the special edition dvd ;) |
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| 12:06.40 | WobWork | It was enjoyable |
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| 12:21.14 | foxlit | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rXuTxx03Rfc |
| 12:23.25 | foxlit | Some of those spins are awesome on a big screen. |
| 12:25.34 | foxlit | Generally, the stylized rendering of the opening titles of the recent 007 films is more interesting than the eyecandy in the film itself. |
| 12:41.11 | bleeter | just seem lamer these days as they're all digital, not like the badass days when one had to do optical effects |
| 12:43.01 | Kalroth | foxlit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GttFQjgYVo this spin is better (kinda nsfw) |
| 12:43.34 | bleeter | http://newhumanist.org.uk/1915 |
| 12:48.58 | foxlit | Kalroth: I'm so not clicking that. |
| 12:49.09 | Kalroth | But it's youtube, it's harmless! |
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| 13:14.54 | foxlit | Who knows what horrors lurk on youtube? |
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| 14:02.31 | WobWork | I admit |
| 14:02.37 | WobWork | the opening credits wasn't very Bondish |
| 14:02.52 | WobWork | closing were closer |
| 14:03.10 | WobWork | needs more modulation =P |
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| 14:24.00 | Nom- | mmm patch day? |
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| 14:40.58 | Shirik|Ecole | I have an interesting poll for everyone |
| 14:41.24 | Shirik|Ecole | If there were one thing we had access to in Lua that you wish were taken OUT, what would it be and why? |
| 14:41.52 | Shirik|Ecole | methinks everyone is still asleep though |
| 14:42.00 | haste | it's 15:41 ! |
| 14:42.25 | Nom- | ... |
| 14:42.36 | Nom- | Always want MAOR, not less |
| 14:42.45 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't think that's true |
| 14:42.54 | Pneumatus | _G |
| 14:43.17 | Shirik|Ecole | my answer is access to memory usage information. If users didn't know their memory usage then they wouldn't make judgements that they don't understand, harming devs |
| 14:43.25 | opant2 | Nom-: dont think its patch day...have they even had the most recent patch on the PTR? |
| 14:43.50 | haste | Shirik|Ecole: that would make profiling WoW only stuff a bitch tho' |
| 14:43.50 | cbreak | I would take out some limitations of the language. |
| 14:43.52 | Nom- | They can skip PTR if they really want to |
| 14:43.55 | Nom- | It's not a law or anything :P |
| 14:44.13 | Pneumatus | without memory usage info though Shirik, users would just blame every addon rather than ones that are actually to blame |
| 14:44.14 | Shirik|Ecole | true, haste, but I still think it's caused more harm than good |
| 14:44.20 | opant2 | I fought the law and...the law won? :p |
| 14:44.27 | Shirik|Ecole | Pneumatus: More often than not they blame the WRONG addons |
| 14:44.28 | Nom- | fark... i've just about had enough of my job |
| 14:44.32 | Nom- | sooooo stressful of late |
| 14:44.42 | Shirik|Ecole | Example: Auctioneer because of all the (Note: STATIC) memory it allocates |
| 14:44.47 | Shirik|Ecole | simply because it's all data |
| 14:44.59 | haste | then let them live in ignorance |
| 14:45.22 | Pneumatus | profiling addons should check for embeds and refuse to work if there are embedded libraries |
| 14:45.40 | cbreak | how would it know? |
| 14:46.31 | Pneumatus | force intentional Lua errors perhaps, and see what path the error is attributed to |
| 14:46.53 | haste | how would it know? |
| 14:46.57 | cbreak | yeah, but I can write a stand alone addon that has subfolders. |
| 14:47.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I do :) |
| 14:48.41 | Nom- | I would take out the restriction on external comms :) |
| 14:48.53 | Shirik|Ecole | bad Nom-! |
| 14:49.01 | Nom- | I know it's there for good reason, but damn there's so much I want to do |
| 14:49.02 | Shirik|Ecole | turning an inverse question into a positive question |
| 14:49.24 | Pneumatus | so you could spam addon messages to everyone on the realm? :o |
| 14:49.26 | Shirik|Ecole | "restriction on external comms" is not a feature |
| 14:49.39 | Nom- | Sure it is... it's a security feature |
| 14:49.39 | Nom- | :P |
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| 14:49.51 | cbreak | it would be nice to be able to make a WoW-IRC gateway |
| 14:50.06 | Nom- | nah forget that |
| 14:50.08 | Pneumatus | it's bad enough that i've had to put people on ignore for whisperspamming me with carbonite addon messages :P |
| 14:50.27 | Nom- | imagine ingame auction house with external exports of data and live graphs showing price fluctuations over the last X days |
| 14:50.53 | cbreak | eew, I have enough of that IRL |
| 14:51.06 | Pneumatus | already exists in other MMOs |
| 14:51.08 | Shirik|Ecole | but Nom-, you can do that now |
| 14:51.24 | Shirik|Ecole | you just need to exit game before it can update |
| 14:51.36 | Shirik|Ecole | it can't be automated anyway, you'll be kicked out due to inactivity |
| 14:51.47 | cbreak | smi down. aapl down. :( |
| 14:51.53 | Nom- | If you get enoguh people using the addon it's not a problem |
| 14:52.18 | Shirik|Ecole | right, but if you're doing it that way then what we have is fine |
| 14:52.23 | Nom- | Pneumatus: I know... it's one of the biggest things I missed from EVE |
| 14:52.25 | Shirik|Ecole | as soon as you log out, it commits updated information |
| 14:52.35 | Nom- | except for the volume of data |
| 14:52.45 | Shirik|Ecole | hm? |
| 14:52.59 | Nom- | I'm talking LOTS of AH data to be recorded |
| 14:52.59 | Pneumatus | eve-central was still reliant on people saving data and uploading it though, the only decent way would be to mass-scrape people's full API for wallet transactions |
| 14:53.21 | Nom- | Pneumatus: It had something ingame |
| 14:53.42 | cbreak | I think it's worthless to share AH data across realms |
| 14:53.42 | Pizik_afk | Does Auctioneer only save it's scanned data when you cleanly log out? |
| 14:53.44 | Pneumatus | well, the ingame stats are fairly limited, min/max/avg |
| 14:53.46 | cbreak | or even across factions on same realm |
| 14:53.51 | Shirik|Ecole | Pizik_afk: that's the only way it's possible |
| 14:53.52 | cbreak | yes Pizik_afk |
| 14:53.55 | Nom- | OMG totally saved... I can't find my D2 CD so I can't play it |
| 14:54.00 | cbreak | or on /console reloadui |
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| 14:54.37 | Nom- | I need something new and interesting to play |
| 14:54.42 | Nom- | wtb d3 |
| 14:54.45 | Pizik_afk | Is that a limitation implemented by Blizzard? |
| 14:54.52 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 14:55.05 | cbreak | the saving is implemented by liz |
| 14:55.09 | Pizik_afk | Kinda annoying |
| 14:55.17 | cbreak | base Lua doesn't have persistent variables |
| 14:55.38 | Shirik|Ecole | it's done for security reasons |
| 14:55.45 | Pizik_afk | if it saved while running you could just parse the file I suppose |
| 14:55.58 | cbreak | you can't even access files |
| 14:56.40 | Nom- | A sqlite backend would be handy |
| 14:56.43 | Pizik_afk | You can probably tell I know bugger all about Lua ;op |
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| 15:18.08 | Shirik|Ecole | well, happy tuesday for me so far |
| 15:18.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I have a project to turn in today |
| 15:18.26 | Shirik|Ecole | and all I see in my test suite is http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d722df323099adc2ae7bbc70888cbf62.jpg |
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| 15:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | Passed is good! |
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| 15:23.31 | foxlit | "marie" |
| 15:24.27 | Lopeppeppy | Marie is a good girl. Look, she passed all of her tests. |
| 15:24.32 | Shirik|Ecole | Machine Architecture that is Really Intuitive and Easy |
| 15:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | So her nickname is Oxymoron? |
| 15:25.02 | Shirik|Ecole | basically an academic RISC instruction set |
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| 15:27.36 | krka | marie passed testBra? |
| 15:27.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 15:27.42 | krka | i'm not even going there |
| 15:27.46 | Shirik|Ecole | BRA = Branch Always >< |
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| 15:34.53 | Nom- | ewwwwwwwwwww C/C++ |
| 15:34.59 | Nom- | I didn't think anyone used that any more :P |
| 15:35.07 | Nom- | (j/k) |
| 15:35.15 | cbreak | system programming languages are here to stay |
| 15:36.41 | Nom- | I think Java and C# are going to quickly become the languages of choice for web/gui app/everything just about |
| 15:37.06 | cbreak | C#? never |
| 15:37.13 | cbreak | way too restricted/limited |
| 15:37.23 | cbreak | and java still has the reputation of slownes |
| 15:37.33 | Nom- | reputation, yes, but it's unfounded |
| 15:37.46 | cbreak | for GUI Apps most will use what they have an OS API for |
| 15:37.51 | Nom- | My Java based web applications are *far* quicker than the equivilent Perl code |
| 15:38.16 | Nom- | And far easier to extend |
| 15:38.17 | cbreak | so Objective-C, C or C++ on OS X, what ever they want on linux, and maybe on Windows C# |
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| 15:38.37 | cbreak | isn't perl interpreted? |
| 15:38.44 | krka | java is not slow on the server, that's a bad myth |
| 15:38.45 | Nom- | No |
| 15:38.49 | Nom- | Perl is compiled into bytecode |
| 15:39.00 | Shirik|Ecole | Nom-: The FAA doesn't change easily, and more importantly embedded systems need what C/C++ has to offer |
| 15:39.11 | Shirik|Ecole | And Java is far from being realtime-capable |
| 15:39.32 | krka | web doesn't need realtime |
| 15:39.47 | Shirik|Ecole | I agree |
| 15:39.54 | Shirik|Ecole | but I don't do web applications :) |
| 15:39.57 | Nom- | If you're building some kind of enterprise system, be it a CRM, Billing System, whatever, you really have to choose between Java and .NET |
| 15:40.04 | cbreak | web telephony |
| 15:40.06 | krka | jrockit however has done impressive progress for making java more realtime-like |
| 15:40.32 | cbreak | who would chose .NET for that? |
| 15:40.39 | cbreak | that's giving up all portability |
| 15:40.45 | Nom- | Not all |
| 15:40.50 | Nom- | There's still mono |
| 15:41.34 | krka | that's just a nono |
| 15:41.34 | Nom- | As far as development tools and support go though, having gone down this path, you really can't use anything else imo |
| 15:41.34 | cbreak | oh yes, lead by the guy who thinks Office Open XML is a neat standard... |
| 15:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | AJAX |
| 15:42.05 | Nom- | The number of times I've hit my head against a brick wall trying to find the "perl" version of something that's 5+ years old in Java |
| 15:42.11 | Nom- | Lopeppeppy: GWT |
| 15:42.31 | cbreak | noscript. |
| 15:42.39 | Nom- | heh |
| 15:43.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ajax used to be what you scrubbed your bathroom with. *sigh* |
| 15:43.42 | Industrial | hm 300 skinning |
| 15:44.05 | Industrial | wonder where i should level in outland to do it efficiently |
| 15:44.37 | Industrial | i guess the birds in hellfire can be skinned? in the big crack in the ground there between HH, expedition armory and zeth'gor |
| 15:44.57 | Lopeppeppy | There are tons of boars around HH and the Temple. |
| 15:45.22 | Industrial | yeah but i wanna aoe them in packs |
| 15:45.24 | cbreak | skinning birds? |
| 15:45.30 | Industrial | run kill skin run kill skin is anoying :P |
| 15:45.36 | Industrial | cbreak: you can skin spiders in wotlk too |
| 15:45.54 | Industrial | but i see your point |
| 15:45.56 | cbreak | bird leather might be enough for a purse, but everything bigger is out of limits |
| 15:46.06 | cbreak | unless you want to make it look like a patchwork carpet |
| 15:46.26 | Industrial | ill just sell it :P |
| 15:46.26 | cbreak | (well, admitedly, the crafted gear does look kind of ugly anyway) |
| 15:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | Bird packs by the temple, around the carcass. |
| 15:46.42 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: yea :) |
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| 15:57.15 | cog|work | RAWR! |
| 15:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
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| 16:01.10 | Shirik|Ecole | RAWR |
| 16:01.12 | Shirik|Ecole | and bye |
| 16:01.15 | Josh_Borke | oink |
| 16:01.15 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
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| 16:06.08 | Fisker- | i'm sick Shirik :( |
| 16:08.01 | Lopeppeppy | There is no Shirik, only Zul. |
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| 16:31.27 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 03:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET). |
| 16:31.27 | Shiibot | In addition the European website and forums will not be available during this time. . . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 26/11 FREE MIGRATION |
| 16:31.27 | Shiibot | The following free migration is scheduled to last until Tuesday, December 2nd. . |
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| 17:20.44 | mikma | from 03:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET). |
| 17:20.45 | mikma | wut what? |
| 17:20.59 | mikma | why is the maintenance so long |
| 17:21.19 | cbreak | lots of bugs to squash |
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| 17:48.02 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:48.47 | haste | sony |
| 17:50.09 | Lopeppeppy | Wii. |
| 17:50.10 | Industrial | ha awesome whenever a nab asks me for a boost ill ask them to ask their guild first (they are always guilded) |
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| 17:50.37 | Industrial | and when they reply with "noone wants to :(" ill reply with "well then you probably arent worth it! pwned!" xD |
| 17:50.53 | Lopeppeppy | "Get a new guild and ask them!" |
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| 17:51.23 | Dashkal | ooo, new DK tanking post from GC. Incoming love for blood :D |
| 17:51.55 | Dashkal | ooo, also a fix for the goofy D&D so I can horn before a pull |
| 17:52.46 | Dashkal | awww, fixing the no dura damage when shadow of death procs. Oh well, it was a bug |
| 17:52.59 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/12/02/9162407.aspx |
| 17:53.08 | NeoTron | Dashkal: so you're blood tanking? |
| 17:53.31 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I'm 79, haven't actually started. Tanking as a mostly DPS blood spec while leveling |
| 17:53.41 | Dashkal | I took blade barrier (rune strike is amazing) |
| 17:53.49 | Cidan | wut |
| 17:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | Wake up, Cidan. |
| 17:54.43 | Cidan | nonsense. |
| 17:54.47 | Cidan | I refuse. |
| 17:54.59 | Cidan | Come back up, damn it! |
| 17:55.18 | Dashkal | Here's the link for those interested and too lazy to hit a blue tracker :p http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129078969&sid=1 |
| 17:56.02 | Pizik | aahhh, nuts, it's maintenance today isnt it :oS |
| 17:56.18 | NeoTron | nerf to rune strike - not unexpected, it's pretty insane |
| 17:56.25 | NeoTron | it's really nice when soloing as tank spec though |
| 17:56.31 | NeoTron | since my dps is a bit lacking then |
| 17:56.46 | Dashkal | NeoTron: The 5k crits I was getting at 76 were a touch high |
| 17:56.56 | NeoTron | #5 in the post is nice |
| 17:57.03 | Dashkal | I'd still consider it a killer power at 3kish |
| 17:57.12 | NeoTron | esp since I almost always do the D&D to get runic power to use horn of winter |
| 17:57.22 | Dashkal | I do the same |
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| 17:57.41 | Dashkal | It just sounds odd when I have to say "hold up 10 seconds, I need some runic for horn" |
| 17:57.52 | NeoTron | "The ghoul, at least Unholys version, could also use some AE avoidance like other pets. |
| 17:57.58 | NeoTron | yes it could |
| 17:58.17 | NeoTron | and the whole "by the time the ghoul spawns after dismount, your target is dead" thing is amazingly annoying |
| 17:58.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, #5 frees up a glyph slot if you were using the horn glyph too |
| 17:58.31 | NeoTron | yep |
| 17:58.37 | NeoTron | not that there's a whole lot else to use |
| 17:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but still slightly nice |
| 17:58.55 | NightHawkTheSane | although they may just change the horn glyph to something else cool |
| 17:59.08 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: here's hoping for an additional 30s or the like on it |
| 17:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: 1m to match warrior shout glyph, imo, but yeah. |
| 17:59.26 | NeoTron | so nerf of icebound fortitude and boneshield but buff general mitigation.. guess that's not all bad |
| 17:59.44 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I'd love that. Remembering to bring it back up in a long fight is totally hit-or-miss for me |
| 17:59.52 | NeoTron | definitely feel a bit squishy when cooldowns are not available |
| 18:00.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i imagine warriors feel similarly about shouts ;) |
| 18:00.11 | NeoTron | Dashkal: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Morasia my current spec |
| 18:00.17 | Dashkal | Agreed. I was falling in UK at 70 whenever my cooldowns were down |
| 18:00.57 | Cidan | I swear I have to be the only pure blood spec DK out there, hah. |
| 18:01.11 | Dashkal | NeoTron: until today's news, that was pretty much my intended tank spec |
| 18:01.43 | NeoTron | Cidan: I've considered blood tanking but the main issue is that it IS worse aoe threat and boneshield IS very good |
| 18:01.44 | NeoTron | right now |
| 18:01.44 | Dashkal | Cidan: I'm blood/unholy for one reason: On a pale horse |
| 18:01.53 | NeoTron | yeah. I started as blood/unholy but reverted to unholy/blood before too long |
| 18:01.59 | Cidan | I solo a lot though, so, blood is great. |
| 18:01.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: naw, i love blood. |
| 18:02.18 | NightHawkTheSane | although (and don't hit me) i do want to try out unholy, just because i never seriously toyed with it in beta |
| 18:02.20 | NeoTron | Cidan: blood solo spec for sure although unholy raid dps spec is a lot better for solo than blood raid dps spec |
| 18:02.30 | foxlit | Everything is great for everything, really. |
| 18:02.42 | NeoTron | plus overall unholy is a lot better for soloing if you hit up 5-8 targets at once ;-) |
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| 18:03.12 | Dashkal | foxlit: frost needs solo love |
| 18:03.29 | foxlit | Frost has the only "Oh fuck get me out of here" button for this class :) |
| 18:04.00 | Dashkal | It isn't terrible, frost DKs will certainly make decent progress, but it's clearly the slowest of the three. |
| 18:06.49 | Lunessa | I remember in beta feeling like I had too many cooldowns to juggle as frost. |
| 18:09.03 | NightHawkTheSane | definitely |
| 18:09.22 | NightHawkTheSane | as well as possibly too many buttons to want to push |
| 18:09.35 | foxlit | Meh |
| 18:09.40 | foxlit | Frost strike replaces death coil |
| 18:10.02 | NightHawkTheSane | except DC is ranged.. |
| 18:10.03 | foxlit | And then you're left with what? Hungering Cold and Lichborne/Unbreakable Armor. |
| 18:10.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Howling Blast |
| 18:10.17 | Dashkal | Icebound Fortitude |
| 18:10.25 | foxlit | Everyone else has IF |
| 18:10.26 | NightHawkTheSane | And that Auto-Crit clicky talent |
| 18:10.41 | Dashkal | Still one extra click in the rotation which is already pretty cramped since you're in frost presence |
| 18:11.01 | foxlit | You're not in frost presence unless you're tanking :/ |
| 18:11.08 | Dashkal | Blood if DPS |
| 18:11.25 | foxlit | And even then, you only lose something compared to Unholy, which probably doesn't get any use in the first place. |
| 18:11.26 | Dashkal | Losing that 15% damage for the faster GCD is chancy at best |
| 18:13.30 | NeoTron | no one says you can't be in unholy spec and I think unholy is most commonly used if you're frost spec |
| 18:14.11 | foxlit | Would you like to reconsider using the word "spec"? :) |
| 18:14.23 | NeoTron | gah |
| 18:14.23 | Dashkal | NeoTron: heh, plenty 'say' you shouldn't ever be in unholy presence while raiding. But it's a toss-up |
| 18:14.34 | NeoTron | too many duplicated uses of blood/unholy/frost |
| 18:14.39 | Dashkal | agreed |
| 18:15.08 | Dashkal | Had a 5 minute conversation about a missing buff before I realized they wanted to know if I had blood AURA |
| 18:15.54 | foxlit | People are idiots when it comes to the DK auras |
| 18:15.58 | foxlit | "zomg switch aura" |
| 18:16.43 | NightHawkTheSane | s/when it comes to the DK auras// |
| 18:16.51 | Dashkal | That aura still annoys me... 2 talent points for a trivial amount of raid healing *sigh* |
| 18:17.05 | foxlit | Dashkal: you don't have to pick it up :) |
| 18:17.09 | Dashkal | foxlit: and I don't |
| 18:17.21 | Dashkal | but but but... it's a cool idea! |
| 18:17.53 | Lopeppeppy | Site of pure evil. http://blog.jasonboyett.com/2008/12/dogs-airbrushing-awesome.html |
| 18:17.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder how it compares to imp lotp. |
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| 18:20.52 | alestane | "Dissatisfied with conventional methods of pet abuse, Molly decided to turn her standard poodle into a chicken." |
| 18:20.53 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: good question. ilotp is another one of those talents that make me wonder just how useful they are |
| 18:21.02 | Dashkal | solo it's amazing (mana return) but in a raid? |
| 18:21.59 | Lopeppeppy | That's all the same dog. Tortured year after year. |
| 18:22.05 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: oh god... poor animals |
| 18:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | Same dog, Dashkal. |
| 18:22.33 | Dashkal | ... |
| 18:22.38 | Dashkal | you poor poor dog |
| 18:23.28 | foxlit | Dashkal: I'm sure paladins will hug you to shreds. |
| 18:23.38 | foxlit | Probably hunters, too. |
| 18:23.42 | foxlit | Nobody else will give a damn. |
| 18:24.17 | NightHawkTheSane | what would be average raid dps for someone mid-naxx geared? |
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| 18:24.56 | Dashkal | lua> 2500 * 0.02 * 5 |
| 18:24.56 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 250 |
| 18:24.57 | Dashkal | Just to ballpark |
| 18:25.02 | NightHawkTheSane | (just a ballpark number is fine, 2.5k maybe?) |
| 18:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, okay, ill go with 2.5kdps |
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| 18:25.22 | Dashkal | uh, 250 HPS for players with a 10k hp pool? |
| 18:25.30 | Dashkal | minimum? |
| 18:25.48 | sacarasc | that sounds like when my shaman has her wolves out |
| 18:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | health pool is meaningless for blood aura |
| 18:26.07 | NightHawkTheSane | it's based on damage done, yeah? |
| 18:26.16 | foxlit | The problem with it, light and everything else that does minor healing |
| 18:26.27 | foxlit | Is that it'll never be sufficient in a raid context, so you'll still get flashed. |
| 18:26.45 | foxlit | And if you're getting flashed, nobody cares whether or not you got the small heal earlier. |
| 18:26.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: wait, where do you get 250 from? |
| 18:26.56 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: look at my lua line |
| 18:27.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, what's the *5 bit? |
| 18:27.11 | Dashkal | erm, oh! that's 250 raid-wide :p |
| 18:27.17 | Dashkal | 5 DPS in a 10 man |
| 18:27.33 | foxlit | How many of those are casters? |
| 18:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | blood aura applies to casters does it not? |
| 18:27.48 | Dashkal | It does, if they're in range |
| 18:28.04 | foxlit | I was still under the impression it was ilotp we were discussing, but okay :) |
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| 18:28.52 | Dashkal | The tooltip implies it's casters too. Hunters for sure |
| 18:28.54 | NightHawkTheSane | so, eyeballing the numbers.. blood aura will work on MORE people, but probably do MUCH less hps (~50-75hps at naxx levels) than iLotP, which only applies to melee/hunters, but (given ~20k hp) does ~130hps, assuming they proc the heal close to every 6s |
| 18:29.32 | Dashkal | the ilotp tooltip no longer mentions physical damage |
| 18:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it says "melee and ranged", the ranged bit is unclear whether it means just ranged physical, or spells too.. |
| 18:30.28 | Dashkal | *nods* Will have to test that when I start leveling my druid |
| 18:30.49 | Taladris | ilotp heals for like 1300 when I'm raid buffed, it's silly. |
| 18:31.49 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm wondering if blood aura could/should be buffed to 4% instead, that might bring it closer to ilotp's hps.. |
| 18:32.02 | NightHawkTheSane | but i remember that they specifically nerfed it from 4 to 2 in the first place :P |
| 18:32.17 | Dashkal | I'm pretty sure that blood aura cannot be both on-budget and useful |
| 18:32.20 | Taladris | but didn't they do that while they were nerfing bloodworms and all that stuff, too though? |
| 18:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | and, of course, I have no idea how dps and health values will scale post-naxx, so it's kind of moot anyway |
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| 18:35.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: oh, as an aside, you could assume ~6 people for blood aura in a 10 man. your tanks will, just like iLotP, so 2 tanks + 5 dps - 1 DK = 6 |
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| 18:35.58 | NightHawkTheSane | er, "your tanks will benefit"* that is |
| 18:39.48 | NeoTron | but tanks benefit less |
| 18:39.59 | NeoTron | ~1500 dps as a tank, 2000-5000 dps as dps |
| 18:41.13 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I ignored the tanks because especially in their case the healing will be irelevant compared to what they're taking |
| 18:41.13 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: December 2nd, 2008 10:40am PST. |
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| 18:41.14 | Shiibot | December 1st, 2008 6:45pm PST. . We will be performing extended maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 2nd. The downtime will begin at 3:00am PST and end at approximately 11:00am PST.. . Thank you,. |
| 18:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | True. |
| 18:41.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, as foxlit said, that'll be the case for everyone. |
| 18:41.40 | NightHawkTheSane | blood aura just can't output enough healing to suffice for those who actually need it. |
| 18:41.57 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: exactly. Which is why I didn't take the talent. The talent doesn't appear to be able to be both on-budget and useful |
| 18:42.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 18:42.18 | Dashkal | Unhloly aura I can understand since it has a clear benifit in heavy-mobility encounters |
| 18:42.20 | Dashkal | Frost is obvious |
| 18:43.42 | foxlit | Unhandled Exception: System.Security.SecurityException: Request for the permission of type System.Security.Permissions.SecurityPermission, mscorlib.... |
| 18:43.46 | foxlit | Yeah, thanks, .NET |
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| 18:45.58 | Shirik|Ecole | So I have my CPU simulator, MARIE, and now I need to write an assembler for it. So I ask someone what I should name it |
| 18:46.03 | Shirik|Ecole | They say Marie's Ass >.> |
| 18:46.25 | NeoTron | haven't tested but does frost aura stack with resist totems/pally auras etc? |
| 18:46.34 | Shirik|Ecole | it shouldn't |
| 18:46.38 | Shirik|Ecole | oh wait |
| 18:46.39 | NeoTron | it should |
| 18:46.45 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah I think we had this discussion last night |
| 18:46.50 | Shirik|Ecole | it should because it's not resistance |
| 18:46.51 | NeoTron | or it would be useless |
| 18:46.53 | Shirik|Ecole | it's chance to miss |
| 18:46.56 | Shirik|Ecole | HOWEVER |
| 18:47.03 | NeoTron | no it's not. it's 80 resist to all magic |
| 18:47.06 | Shirik|Ecole | our tank was saying he didn't get it BECAUSE it was useless for that exact reason |
| 18:47.12 | Shirik|Ecole | We didn't come to a conclusion |
| 18:47.20 | Shirik|Ecole | NeoTron: It said % to miss on my screen? |
| 18:47.43 | Dashkal | frost _presence_ is -5% spell damage. Frost _aura_ is character level resist all |
| 18:48.20 | NeoTron | it's 80 spell resistance, pure and simple |
| 18:48.42 | NeoTron | which is actually worse than resist totems which seem to add 130 resistance (and thus this would have to stack not to be useless) |
| 18:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:48.57 | Lunessa | foxlit: At the risk of having missed it in the docs or screens, can I make an Opie ring of Opie Rings? |
| 18:49.00 | NightHawkTheSane | pally resist auras also add 130, iirc? |
| 18:49.18 | foxlit | Lunessa: you could cheat horribly, perhaps. |
| 18:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: heh, sprocket much? |
| 18:49.46 | Dashkal | NeoTron: not inherently useless. now you can weigh the additional 50 resi against the other uses for that totem (more of an issue in 10-man I admit) |
| 18:49.49 | foxlit | I'm avoiding it because I can't extend the hold-point-release metaphor to subrings |
| 18:49.50 | Lunessa | macro a ring and use the macros to open new rings? |
| 18:49.53 | NeoTron | we realized frost totem was 130 because we didn't get the achievement on sapphiron |
| 18:49.54 | kd3 | rofl; [Amusing] Ski Conditions: 6" fresh powder, all trails groomed, all trails temporarily black diamond due to tiger |
| 18:50.09 | sacarasc | due to tiger? |
| 18:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: eh, for frost/fire/shadow, the chance of NOT having a pally/shaman or pally/priest in the group is fairly minor, i'd think |
| 18:50.31 | Corr-work | awesome. |
| 18:50.32 | kd3 | http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200812010689 |
| 18:50.38 | foxlit | Lunessa: You could probably get some milage out of /click |
| 18:50.49 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: true. Mostly I figure it's because resi all is more expensive than resi school |
| 18:51.05 | Lunessa | yeah. Just curious. I love it, but for in-combat use I'm still struggling with it. |
| 18:51.06 | foxlit | i.e. having one of the slices click the trigger button for another ring. It's painful, however, and I don't consider it supported at the moment. |
| 18:51.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: probably also true, but it's a talent, not a baseline ability |
| 18:51.15 | foxlit | Oh, what class; what for? |
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| 18:51.29 | Lunessa | foxlit: Shaman, totems. |
| 18:51.40 | Lunessa | The problem is me, I think. I'm too slow. |
| 18:51.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: I have the same issue |
| 18:51.49 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: yes. But again, in a 10 man environment, the odds of having TWO players who can grant that resistance aren't near as good. So you're weighing 50 resi against whaoever else they could be offering |
| 18:52.03 | Dashkal | whatever* |
| 18:52.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Using Opie to access totems in combat, especially for "oh shit, need resist/clensing totem" just feels very sluggish compared to dragging it to a keybound action button |
| 18:52.27 | NeoTron | so frost aura doesn't stack |
| 18:52.43 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: did you just test this? |
| 18:52.46 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I use it mostly for crap I don't use all that often. But yeah. |
| 18:52.53 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 18:52.55 | NeoTron | I read wowhead |
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| 18:53.57 | Dashkal | heh, then at least for 25 mans (and some 10 mans depending on group) FA is as useless as BA. Just leaves poor UA |
| 18:54.04 | Dashkal | which was already pretty situational |
| 18:54.04 | foxlit | Lunessa: Dunno, I tend to use it for oh-shit timered abilities |
| 18:54.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 18:54.13 | NightHawkTheSane | actually |
| 18:54.24 | foxlit | But stick the three or four totems you actually find yourself wanting on a separate ring |
| 18:54.31 | NightHawkTheSane | how much resist does motw give? |
| 18:54.32 | NeoTron | it might possibly be useful in multi-school magic damage fights without a shaman/paladin/druid |
| 18:54.32 | foxlit | The bind it to a mouse button. |
| 18:54.56 | NeoTron | UA is pretty nice actually |
| 18:55.01 | Lunessa | foxlit: My play style is MOSTLY keybinds, supplemented by clicking for odd-ball stuff. Opie really cleared up my screen, and I love it. |
| 18:55.02 | Dashkal | MoTW is 54 |
| 18:55.03 | NeoTron | overall it's clearly the best aura |
| 18:55.22 | foxlit | But yeah, whatever works for you :) |
| 18:55.25 | Lunessa | foxlit: Note, on macros, I believe you're referencing them by index, not name? |
| 18:55.26 | NeoTron | lua> 54 * 1.4 |
| 18:55.27 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 75.6 |
| 18:55.32 | NeoTron | MotW is 75.6 |
| 18:55.34 | foxlit | Lunessa: not any more. |
| 18:55.43 | Lunessa | I must be a rev behind then. |
| 18:55.57 | foxlit | You also need to update the rings using macros. |
| 18:56.01 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Where are you getting the 1.4? improved mark talent? |
| 18:56.08 | NeoTron | yes |
| 18:56.09 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 18:56.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: I was going to say, FA might be interesting for the sapphiron achievement, as 80 gets you pretty close to the 100 limit. But you'd have to give up MotW, which, if that gives you 75 improved, is close enough, and better. |
| 18:56.28 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: yep |
| 18:56.34 | NightHawkTheSane | course, if you lack a druid.. ;) |
| 18:56.43 | Dashkal | Nah, one of our dedicated healers is a druid |
| 18:56.49 | Dashkal | we will have improved mark |
| 18:56.55 | NeoTron | ok so if you lack a druid, it's useful for sapphiron achievement |
| 18:56.58 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that's a raid makeup issue, that varies by raid group ;) |
| 18:57.11 | NeoTron | but it means you'd have to not spec into acclimation which would be a given for at least a frost tank spec |
| 18:57.15 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yes. I just notice last night that a macro I deleted took the next indexed macro to replace it on my ring. I was editing the ring anyway, I just thought it was interesting. |
| 18:57.20 | Dashkal | I don't think we have any frost DKs yet anyway. We're all pretty much blood or unholy with a heavy bias for unholy |
| 18:57.34 | Dashkal | We'll see when people hit 80 and begin to spread into their endgame specs |
| 18:57.36 | foxlit | Yeah, I made an error in assuming IDs would be a nice thing to use :) |
| 18:57.49 | NeoTron | I have yet to try frost at all in live |
| 18:58.02 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: can acclimation scale over 100? if you're specifically going for that achievement, then you might just want to. Of course, let's ignore the fact that frost DKs on sapphiron are basiclaly dead weight. |
| 18:58.15 | NeoTron | I was going to play with DW frost for fun but I'm actually tank now so no such fun |
| 18:58.31 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: you can't have it for the achievement since it goes up to 150 |
| 18:58.34 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Didn't they remove the frost immunity? |
| 18:58.41 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yeah, most times they should be ok, but for guys like me or heavy macro users/changers, maybe not. |
| 18:58.47 | NeoTron | frost isn't much of an issue on sapphiron now |
| 18:58.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: did they? I don't remember |
| 18:58.50 | Dashkal | wowwiki was mentioning that |
| 18:58.57 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, so thats good at least. |
| 18:59.01 | NeoTron | she has higher resist |
| 18:59.16 | NeoTron | or is it a he? I can't tell! |
| 18:59.22 | Dashkal | resist I could handle, being unable to apply a disease at all would be a deal breaker |
| 18:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it's a she |
| 18:59.48 | kd3 | sapph's a he |
| 18:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | okay then |
| 19:00.02 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sapphiron |
| 19:00.38 | Dashkal | Am I doing something wrong or is death rune mastery really dead weight when tanking as blood? I find I never take the extra blood strikes and instead DS for the heal |
| 19:01.18 | NeoTron | you're missing something obvious |
| 19:01.20 | NeoTron | aoe tanking |
| 19:01.24 | Dashkal | mmm, that's it |
| 19:01.28 | Dashkal | extra blood boils. danke |
| 19:01.49 | NeoTron | so I'm 5 defense away from crit immune |
| 19:02.01 | Beladona | serious? |
| 19:02.04 | Beladona | as a DK? |
| 19:02.06 | NeoTron | yep |
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| 19:02.19 | Dashkal | hmm, I need to break my wallet for the crafted blues. After that I'll be well on my way |
| 19:02.23 | Beladona | link your armory? I wanna use you as an example for my guild's DKs |
| 19:02.25 | NeoTron | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Morasia |
| 19:02.26 | Dashkal | 300 short right now, but I'm 79 with zero purps |
| 19:02.49 | NeoTron | there are a couple of non-heroic rings that would bump be over. trinket from thaddius would greatly bump me over too |
| 19:03.12 | Beladona | armory is SLOW |
| 19:03.17 | mikma | yarly |
| 19:03.18 | kd3 | wtf, they redid the armory? |
| 19:03.19 | kd3 | ads? |
| 19:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, new flasks dont give +def now, either, do they? |
| 19:03.32 | NeoTron | heh guess so. I use adblock so I don't see it |
| 19:03.34 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: pure health |
| 19:03.44 | NeoTron | 650 health or so, bordering on mostly useless |
| 19:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, pick up the old flask of fort, and get that 10 def :P |
| 19:04.04 | NeoTron | although more for me since I'm alchemy |
| 19:04.06 | Beladona | sigh, it thinks I don't exist |
| 19:04.23 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: hmm... but since I don't know it it'd be just 2 hrs. :P |
| 19:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: but you'd be crit immune :P |
| 19:04.49 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 19:04.53 | Dashkal | Damn, warcrafter broke somewhere. Yay for exposed PHP errors |
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| 19:04.58 | NeoTron | frankly at least naxx level doesn't seem to matter |
| 19:05.07 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, get to work crafting those outlands elixers! :P |
| 19:05.10 | NeoTron | when we first cleared I had like 3% chance to be crit |
| 19:05.22 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: CAN'T WAIT!!! :) |
| 19:05.56 | Beladona | anyone else a little annoyed by the daily crafting token system? |
| 19:06.00 | Dashkal | Since I haven't seen any mention of it after the first post, did they scrap the plan to make resi useless in instances? I was thinking of picking up a piece or two to push me over the crit cap until I can get defense up there |
| 19:06.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: not really? |
| 19:07.12 | Dashkal | Pick and choose which recipies I get rather than hope and pray for a world blue? I rather like it |
| 19:07.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but the only crafting profession i have that uses a daily token system is cooking |
| 19:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | LW and Enchanting at least have purchaseable-for-fur/shards recipes |
| 19:07.45 | Beladona | I am a JC |
| 19:07.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i assumed :) |
| 19:08.08 | Beladona | and the vast majority of designs are 3 tokens per or more, and 1 token per day |
| 19:08.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont know why they insist on making it so obnoxious to get JC recipes. |
| 19:08.25 | kd3 | whee, the armory is broken more than usual |
| 19:08.29 | kd3 | I can't even see my character |
| 19:08.32 | Beladona | I think I could get to like it more if they increased the tokens to 2 per day or something |
| 19:08.34 | pompy | Um..its gonna take up to 2 months to get all the cooking recipes available |
| 19:08.37 | pompy | thats annoying |
| 19:08.51 | NightHawkTheSane | all it really does is serve to put more money into the hands of the people who already had it. >< |
| 19:09.03 | Beladona | pompy: I think my initial calculation for JC was 243 days |
| 19:09.09 | pompy | hmm |
| 19:09.09 | Beladona | to get all recipes |
| 19:09.14 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Alchemists get a *chance* to get a transmute discovery every 4 days, and a guaranteed random discovery every 7 days. I'll take tokens any day. |
| 19:09.28 | Beladona | thats by memory, but it was around 240 to 250 |
| 19:09.30 | pompy | well each cooking recipe cost 3 awards..and theres like 20 or so recipes |
| 19:09.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: neither system is good. :P |
| 19:09.32 | Beladona | and that isn't counting JC only |
| 19:09.39 | pompy | ah |
| 19:09.54 | pompy | and the fact that dragon's eye is only obtainable by JCs , is insane |
| 19:09.56 | Beladona | I have already gotten all the world drop / instance drop ones |
| 19:10.05 | Beladona | still have a few reps to get, and the pvp ones |
| 19:10.10 | Syzgyn | Though, if the guaranteed discovery falls back and starts giving BC and old world stuff after you've gotten all the LK ones, I'm ok with that. |
| 19:10.10 | pompy | esp when i need 8 of them for 2 craftable items and they are going for liike 800g a piece :O |
| 19:10.16 | Beladona | but the daily thing really is annoying |
| 19:10.42 | kd3 | meh, I discovered a bc recipe on accident just leveling alchemy |
| 19:10.51 | kd3 | annoying that it took hitting wrath to do it. >.< |
| 19:10.55 | Taladris | I was going to buy the patterns to make the boe tanking stuff for JC, but all our tanks already have better, than both. |
| 19:10.56 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 19:11.01 | Taladris | kd3: I blame Medivh. |
| 19:11.21 | Syzgyn | But like, I'm still missing Flask of fortification |
| 19:11.23 | Beladona | Taladris: I decided to skip the neck / rings |
| 19:11.24 | pompy | taladris: thats what im looking to get crafted |
| 19:11.29 | kd3 | har |
| 19:11.33 | pompy | unless i can find something better |
| 19:11.34 | Beladona | more people can get use out of gems |
| 19:11.34 | Syzgyn | if I get it from the northrend research eventually, that'd be nice |
| 19:11.45 | Beladona | the neck / rings will get replaced, evne if I do end up making a couple |
| 19:11.51 | Taladris | We took Wintergrasp last night at ~midnight server.. and while we're killing the boss inside on 25-man with 15 people... server crashes, and we don't have wintergrasp anymore. |
| 19:11.59 | Syzgyn | doh |
| 19:12.03 | kd3 | fail |
| 19:12.10 | Taladris | Typical of Medivh though |
| 19:12.18 | Beladona | you are on Medivh |
| 19:12.20 | Beladona | lol |
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| 19:12.29 | Taladris | also crashed at 4% on Malygos |
| 19:12.30 | Beladona | that is basically a daily thing |
| 19:12.35 | Taladris | mhm |
| 19:12.48 | Beladona | we had that happen in Naxx |
| 19:12.53 | Beladona | and had to reclear trash |
| 19:13.16 | kd3 | meh; naxx crashing is old hat for medivh |
| 19:13.20 | kd3 | that's how we lost ascent |
| 19:13.26 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:13.29 | pompy | yeah bc LK, our server crashed while fighting rage winterchill when he was tat 5% |
| 19:13.32 | Taladris | *anything* crashing on Medivh is normal. lol. |
| 19:13.35 | Beladona | I am the proud owner of a 25 man naxx completion though |
| 19:13.35 | pompy | before* |
| 19:13.47 | Beladona | not that that is hard |
| 19:14.09 | Syzgyn | Beladona: not enough of my guilds BC raiders are 80 yet, the groups we have brought in have been pretty chobby :P |
| 19:14.20 | NeoTron | Beladona: I am annoyed with it |
| 19:14.22 | Beladona | 25 man is way too easy |
| 19:14.26 | Taladris | ^ |
| 19:14.28 | NeoTron | Beladona: jc token syustem that is |
| 19:14.41 | NeoTron | a friend of mine already got all of his enchanting recipies |
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| 19:14.48 | Beladona | I can understand a token system if you have maybe 20 recipes max to get |
| 19:14.51 | Beladona | like cooking |
| 19:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | we finally got enough people to step into 10 man naxx last saturday. |
| 19:14.56 | NeoTron | you can BUY enchanting recipies for 75-150g per each which is less than any gem cost |
| 19:14.57 | Syzgyn | Beladona: Start going for the achievements then, makes it more difficult/interesting/fun |
| 19:14.57 | Beladona | but not JC |
| 19:15.00 | NightHawkTheSane | .. we had a 17 minute Heigan kill. >< |
| 19:15.07 | Taladris | We almost got The Undying on 10-man without even trying.. one wipe, one tank death, and one random death on KT |
| 19:15.08 | Beladona | they need to increase the tokens, or move some of those recipes to drops |
| 19:15.12 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: ow. |
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| 19:15.27 | NeoTron | or let you trade gems for tokens or something |
| 19:15.35 | NeoTron | I'm mainly annoyed because my JC is an alt |
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| 19:15.52 | Taladris | My miner is an alt, and I'm at 430 JC |
| 19:15.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: it was me (resto shammy), the tank, a ret pally, and a DK up for like the last 5 minutes of it. The ret pally died like 1m before the end, because she had trouble moving, decursing, and dpsing at the same time. :P |
| 19:16.05 | Beladona | and some asshole asked me if I wanted to use tokens to get him 3 Dragon's Eyes, and he would pay me for them |
| 19:16.15 | Beladona | I told him, money is easy to come by, but I need recipes. So no |
| 19:16.16 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: we had a lot of fail on heigan |
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| 19:16.25 | NeoTron | same 3-4 people too |
| 19:16.32 | Syzgyn | It always is. |
| 19:16.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 19:16.38 | NeoTron | still only took like 3-4 tries by ppl never having done it before |
| 19:16.38 | Taladris | ^^ |
| 19:16.40 | Syzgyn | They follow people instead of watching the ground |
| 19:16.55 | NightHawkTheSane | really. you honestly only need like 3-4 people for that fight. :P |
| 19:17.06 | Beladona | its stupid |
| 19:17.07 | Taladris | Just like we have people fail on Thaddius at a) ledge boss and b) OMG I DIED CAUSE I DIDNT MOVE boss. |
| 19:17.07 | NeoTron | the same people also have issues on Loken in heroic HoL and the dude in oculus where you have to LoS and on sapphiron |
| 19:17.09 | Syzgyn | Eh, the disease sucks. |
| 19:17.16 | NightHawkTheSane | I regened enough mana during the dance phase to not have mana issues |
| 19:17.24 | NeoTron | Taladris: yeah our other tank died from (b) |
| 19:17.30 | Syzgyn | I'm not looking forward to 25man thaddius D: |
| 19:17.36 | Beladona | its easy |
| 19:17.38 | NightHawkTheSane | only reason it got tough is because i fucked up once and died, had to ankh |
| 19:17.38 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: it's so easy |
| 19:17.40 | Syzgyn | I know it is |
| 19:17.45 | Beladona | let me rephrase: it CAN be easy. If people aren't stupid |
| 19:17.47 | Taladris | We did the 10-man Thaddius achievement this week. |
| 19:17.49 | Syzgyn | but I guarantee my guildies will find a way to fail. |
| 19:17.52 | Taladris | That was a joke. |
| 19:17.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: isn't that everything? >< |
| 19:17.58 | Beladona | true |
| 19:18.03 | NeoTron | Taladris: what's the achievement? |
| 19:18.09 | Beladona | there are fights that are hard even if you are good though |
| 19:18.17 | Taladris | Nobody gets hit with a charge from another player. |
| 19:18.17 | Beladona | just not in Naxx |
| 19:18.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 19:18.22 | Taladris | like, no + hits - |
| 19:18.34 | NeoTron | Taladris: so... spread out of fast reactions? |
| 19:18.37 | kd3 | meh. doable in 10-man... maybe not in 25 |
| 19:18.39 | NeoTron | s/of/or/ |
| 19:18.44 | Taladris | fast reactions |
| 19:18.52 | Taladris | and the tank has to move too |
| 19:18.56 | Beladona | you dont spread out |
| 19:18.58 | NeoTron | of course, I moved when I tanked |
| 19:18.59 | kd3 | Tekkub, http://tokyotosho.com/search.php?terms=everything+slayers&type=1 |
| 19:19.04 | Beladona | two spots, stand on top of each other |
| 19:19.13 | Beladona | if you get an opposing charge, run right |
| 19:19.20 | Taladris | *left |
| 19:19.20 | Beladona | and towards the other group |
| 19:19.23 | Beladona | well |
| 19:19.31 | Beladona | left, right, whichever you choose, everyone has to |
| 19:19.34 | Taladris | :P |
| 19:19.36 | Tekkub | kd3, format? |
| 19:19.59 | Beladona | I like the 4 horsemen achievmeent tho |
| 19:20.05 | Tekkub | mkv, fail. |
| 19:20.07 | Beladona | where you kill them all at the same time |
| 19:20.10 | NeoTron | I think we'll get that done with we run with 8 people and... certain two people are missing |
| 19:20.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Slayers? that really cheesy anime? >.> |
| 19:20.21 | Dashkal | I'm looking forward to trying for the 4 horseman one. That's gonna be ... interesting on 10 man |
| 19:20.23 | kd3 | I <3 mkv |
| 19:20.24 | NeoTron | Beladona: that's a bit tricky for sure |
| 19:20.31 | Syzgyn | Beladona: That one is just dependant on gear really |
| 19:20.35 | kd3 | but that's where I got all of my slayers from |
| 19:20.36 | Beladona | aye |
| 19:20.54 | Syzgyn | Can you heal for twice as long as normal? If so, win |
| 19:20.58 | Beladona | as it is people will be in full t7 before the next raid is out |
| 19:20.58 | NeoTron | we had all healers die on the fight but fortunately we had a soulstone on one of the healers |
| 19:21.26 | NeoTron | Gearing up for 10-man raids is exceedingly fast |
| 19:21.27 | Dashkal | ~wowalert |
| 19:21.28 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 19:21.34 | NeoTron | since heroic and badge gear is the same level |
| 19:21.56 | Beladona | huh? |
| 19:22.00 | Taladris | I got a t7 shoulder token from 10-man, but ended up not using it yet.. 'cause I have shoulders for all three specs that's better. |
| 19:22.41 | Beladona | I have a chest that I like better than the valorous for resto shaman |
| 19:22.51 | Beladona | but only because it has spell haste on it, in addition to sp and mp5 |
| 19:23.02 | Taladris | the 2 piece bonus for prot is.. okay.. I guess. |
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| 19:23.05 | Lunessa | I did Heroic Halls of Lightning last night. for the first time, I felt under-geared. |
| 19:23.15 | Dashkal | Gearing out is going to be a pain. I can't roll on tank gear because I can't raid consistently enough to take a tank slot. So I'll be rolling on DPS and badging for tank. meh |
| 19:23.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: which chest? |
| 19:23.48 | NightHawkTheSane | im using the crafted LW one right now.. |
| 19:24.04 | NeoTron | I love how the answer to "lack of rings/necks with str instead of agi" basically is "suck it up" |
| 19:24.18 | Taladris | Dashkal: Myself and the other two "MT's" are already geared from this past week, most of the tank gear this week is going to go to our DKs I think. |
| 19:24.34 | Taladris | I ran Naxx 10 and got a piece of loot from every boss other than KT |
| 19:24.38 | Dashkal | Taladris: that makes me hopeful |
| 19:24.42 | Taladris | 'cause I was the only plate wearer |
| 19:24.46 | Taladris | lolololol. |
| 19:24.49 | Beladona | NightHawkTheSane: one sec will ge tthe link |
| 19:24.59 | Dashkal | I'm hoping our guild is going to start Naxx at the beginning of the year. We'll be ready sooner but the holidays will kill that |
| 19:25.11 | NeoTron | Dashkal: 10 man or 25 man? |
| 19:25.14 | Dashkal | 10 |
| 19:25.23 | NightHawkTheSane | We had a DK who dinged 80 a couple hours before the naxx run get our first piece of T7. He was the only one who could use that token in the raid. >< |
| 19:25.29 | Dashkal | We've actively decided not to persue 25. We don't want to grow that large |
| 19:25.41 | Taladris | I even got the sword off Faerlina (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39200) 'cause we didn't have any casters in the raid that could use swords |
| 19:25.48 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: really? Sadly I have little risk of that one. Lots of others on that token |
| 19:25.58 | Beladona | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40061 |
| 19:26.11 | Dashkal | How many badges does naxx drop? |
| 19:26.17 | Beladona | 16 |
| 19:26.19 | Beladona | I believe |
| 19:26.26 | Dashkal | so one per boss and 2 for the end of wings? |
| 19:26.35 | Beladona | sounds right |
| 19:26.46 | Dashkal | ok, pretty much what I expected. Not bad at all |
| 19:26.46 | Taladris | Surprisingly that sword is pretty decent for tanking (aoe packs, obviously) and healing |
| 19:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: oh, that IS nice. :) |
| 19:27.01 | NeoTron | Taladris: heh I got two 1h weapons (mace and sword) from maexxna and.. err someone else |
| 19:27.11 | NeoTron | just because we had no one else that would use 1h dps weapons |
| 19:27.18 | Taladris | I got the sword off, Sapph, I think? |
| 19:27.19 | Beladona | its what I use now. The T7 chest beats it if I use 2 JC only gems in it though |
| 19:27.33 | Industrial | i got calamity's grasp from my new buddy kel'thuzad |
| 19:27.35 | Industrial | :D:D:DD:D: |
| 19:27.45 | Dashkal | I like my huge crits too much to go DW. I'll skill up 1h weapons only for the achievement. |
| 19:27.50 | Dashkal | unarmed is gonna suck :( |
| 19:27.51 | Taladris | Whatever it was, it's the best tanking weapon til KT drops his axe in 25man |
| 19:28.02 | NeoTron | Dashkal: gargoyles in icecrown |
| 19:28.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: Well, given that i'm not a JC, I might wait and see if i can grab that over the t7 chest, then. |
| 19:28.13 | NeoTron | don't take damage, don't deal damage but skills you up |
| 19:28.14 | Beladona | its definitely worth it |
| 19:28.19 | Dashkal | NeoTron: oh? where? |
| 19:28.35 | Beladona | I dont know if I should be stacking haste as much as I am, but I have about 267 I think |
| 19:28.42 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: the ones you use the leaper to kill? |
| 19:28.52 | Taladris | NeoTron: You're a pally, right? |
| 19:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: I have more than that, I think. |
| 19:28.58 | NeoTron | Dashkal: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=31012#comments |
| 19:29.03 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: yep |
| 19:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: Yeah, i know what you mean, good to know. :D |
| 19:29.17 | Beladona | NightHawkTheSane: trying to balance it with mp5 though. I ahve a lot of that |
| 19:29.25 | NeoTron | I'm sure it _will_ be fixed |
| 19:29.29 | Dashkal | heh, tempting, but I'd be afraid of catching shit for exploiting |
| 19:29.32 | NeoTron | perhaps even in todays maintenance |
| 19:29.44 | NeoTron | nah they won't call that exploiting they will just fix it |
| 19:29.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: *nod* same. Although I've kind of been devaluing mp5 slightly, because replenishment is awesome. |
| 19:30.03 | Dashkal | my server is report happy and the GMs are dicks. I try to avoid contact |
| 19:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | and crit proccing Imp WS is nice. |
| 19:30.42 | Dashkal | Still, it's an idea. Weapon skilling starts bu thursday (I'll ding 80 tomorrow night) |
| 19:30.53 | Dashkal | and professions. Need to get my druid up so I have a miner |
| 19:32.19 | Lunessa | Off to teach the sheeple how to do mail merge. Pray for me Argentina. |
| 19:32.35 | Dashkal | Lunessa: *comforts* |
| 19:33.35 | kd3 | mail merge? |
| 19:33.37 | Dashkal | I'm torn between BS/JC and BS/Scribe, with JC having the advantage simply because my other 70 is a miner and I'd have to level up my l60 herbalist |
| 19:33.37 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.49 | Dashkal | But damn... that's a lot of ore |
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| 19:36.07 | Taladris | I'm BS/JC |
| 19:36.13 | krka | bs scribe seems like an odd combo |
| 19:36.28 | bleeter | hmmmm |
| 19:36.30 | opant2 | BS anything is an odd combo :p |
| 19:36.38 | Dashkal | krka: BS for the extra gem slots, scribe for the shoulder chants |
| 19:37.43 | krka | i see |
| 19:37.56 | Dashkal | not to mention the easy access to glyphs when I start getting respec happy (my DPS spec will bounce off a PvP spec) |
| 19:42.04 | Dashkal | But still, easy access to the gems for the extra slots is absolutely viable, so BS/JC is a reasonable choise. Just means poor Savrine is going to be mining a very large amount of ore |
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| 19:44.39 | Cidan | Stupid maint time |
| 19:44.42 | Cidan | is extended |
| 19:44.43 | Cidan | again. |
| 19:48.56 | kd3 | past 1:00? |
| 19:49.42 | Cidan | no |
| 19:49.45 | Cidan | just 1 |
| 19:49.47 | Cidan | but eh. |
| 19:50.13 | Cidan | oh hey |
| 19:50.16 | bleeter | if they're fixing security issues, I'm all for it. |
| 19:50.23 | Cidan | I got an invite into the quake live beta |
| 19:50.25 | Cidan | woo |
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| 19:50.28 | bleeter | grats |
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| 19:54.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem|work] by ChanServ |
| 19:55.45 | Cidan | woo |
| 19:55.48 | Cidan | servers coming up |
| 19:56.11 | Tem|work | :( |
| 19:56.23 | Tem|work | servers needed to be up 2 hours ago so I could do my auctions before going to work |
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| 19:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Do we have a patch? |
| 19:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Or no? |
| 19:56.50 | Tem|work | I must visit the auction house at least every 12 hours so that I don't miss any auctions |
| 19:56.56 | Tem|work | ScytheBlade1: no idea |
| 19:57.02 | Tem|work | but they haven't said anything |
| 19:57.12 | Tem|work | and we haven't seen a PTR |
| 19:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: extended maint, two weeks after release... seems like a prime time to fix a lot of stuff |
| 19:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 19:57.19 | Cidan | no |
| 19:57.31 | Cidan | I'm logged in right now |
| 19:57.33 | Cidan | no patch. |
| 19:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | mmkay |
| 19:57.39 | Tem|work | also, did you see the juicy DK changes they posted about today? |
| 19:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda saddened by that but not surprised |
| 19:57.44 | Tekkub | you lie! |
| 19:57.53 | Tem|work | a couple stealth nerfs for pvp, but major tanking buffs |
| 19:58.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: indeed. very nice |
| 19:58.20 | bleeter | was it just my side of the planet who had the smiley face in the sky recently? http://www.themercury.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2008/12/02/smiley-story.jpg |
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| 19:58.35 | Tem|work | bleeter: :) |
| 19:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 19:58.38 | Tem|work | just your side |
| 19:58.52 | bleeter | venus and jupiter alignment |
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| 19:59.48 | Tekkub | that's stupid, I hate you |
| 19:59.56 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph? |
| 20:00.09 | Tekkub | not you |
| 20:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | Whew. You will live to see another day. :) |
| 20:03.59 | Dashkal | Tem|work: I get to tank in blood and be taken seriously :p |
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| 20:04.17 | Lopeppeppy | ... "tank in blood" is such a statement |
| 20:05.14 | Corr-work | i tank knee-deep in the blood of my foes |
| 20:05.20 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: considering I'm hacking and slashing with a giant axe, the literal interpretation is somewhat valid |
| 20:05.27 | Corr-work | it's like a warm little wading pool ^_^ |
| 20:05.38 | Tem|work | Dashkal: :) |
| 20:05.48 | Tem|work | though I never understood why you wanted to tank as blood so badly |
| 20:06.12 | Dashkal | Tem|work: I enjoy the playstyle of blood as opposed to frost and unholy. I would have caved and speced unholy, but I didn't want to |
| 20:06.22 | Tem|work | Corr-work: I have a thread to link you to |
| 20:06.57 | Tem|work | hah, Dashkal, and to me blood is the least fun spec! <3 diverse playstyles in one class |
| 20:07.09 | Dashkal | Tem|work: absoltuely |
| 20:07.42 | Tem|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129076117&postId=131277955929&sid=1 |
| 20:07.42 | Corr-work | oh? :) |
| 20:08.09 | cbreak | frostboltfrostboltfrostbolt |
| 20:08.33 | Tem|work | cbreak: you have just described my pre-BC raiding experience |
| 20:08.55 | Tem|work | (and the main reason my mage has been shelved since then for pve) |
| 20:09.11 | Corr-work | amusing |
| 20:09.58 | Tem|work | "Bosses don't hate me because I'm in frost presence. They hate me because I just cleaved another giant gaping axe wound into them with rune strike. If they even think of attacking someone else, I slap them with a dark command and remind them I didn't give them permission to ignore me. " |
| 20:09.59 | Tem|work | classic |
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| 20:11.56 | frop | dello |
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| 20:14.56 | Olorin | could someone please tell me the best way of getting the name of a staticpopup frame by name so you can use the command StaticPopup_Hide |
| 20:15.44 | Dewin | ~devtools |
| 20:15.45 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 20:16.13 | Olorin | thanks kindly |
| 20:16.58 | Dewin | No problem. |
| 20:17.21 | NeoTron | Tem|work: I didn't see any _specific_ changes listed - is there a specific list? |
| 20:17.36 | Silentspy | think most changes is hotfixes |
| 20:17.55 | Tem|work | nothing really specific mentioned |
| 20:17.57 | Tem|work | but like |
| 20:18.01 | Tem|work | HoW not sucking to cast? |
| 20:18.04 | Tem|work | fuck |
| 20:18.04 | Tem|work | yes |
| 20:18.22 | Tem|work | IBF giving us a way to scale our mitigation besides just armor? |
| 20:18.23 | Tem|work | fuck |
| 20:18.24 | Tem|work | yes |
| 20:18.29 | Tem|work | More base Mitigation? |
| 20:18.30 | Tem|work | fuck |
| 20:18.30 | Tem|work | yes |
| 20:18.57 | Tem|work | Rune strike not hitting like a ton of bricks? QQ |
| 20:19.20 | NeoTron | rune strike is kind of too op |
| 20:19.36 | NeoTron | I don't like it for solo but understand the necessity.. as long as threat scales with damage |
| 20:19.54 | Dashkal | I'll survive the RS nerf. 5k is a touch high given how often it procs |
| 20:20.07 | Cidan | I really hate this predictive mana/health update Blizzard put in. |
| 20:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | why? |
| 20:20.43 | Cidan | oh hey, nevermind. |
| 20:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:20.48 | Cidan | it's fine with me. =D |
| 20:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Why *did* you hate it? |
| 20:21.07 | bnovc | is it possible to raid warning myself when my bobber gets a bite |
| 20:21.11 | Cidan | no reason, I'm a moron, =D |
| 20:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | bnovc: nope |
| 20:21.26 | bnovc | no fishing information from lua? |
| 20:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: hence the question ;D |
| 20:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | bnovc: none |
| 20:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No event, no combat log, no API call to check OnUpdate |
| 20:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing |
| 20:22.53 | Cidan | they do that on purpose |
| 20:23.00 | Cidan | so people don't semi-bot fishing |
| 20:23.33 | Cidan | ie: have an external program look for some sort of mark on the screen made by the UI (say, a red square on the upper left of the screen) then click the mouse |
| 20:23.55 | Cidan | fish botting was a big problem, it was inflating the economy, so much so they had to drop the sale price on fish |
| 20:24.17 | Cidan | also |
| 20:24.18 | Cidan | holy shit |
| 20:24.31 | Cidan | SSD's are dropping in price like a mofo. |
| 20:24.38 | Cidan | http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&name=Solid-State-Disks |
| 20:24.44 | bnovc | why isn't it a bit problem anyomre? |
| 20:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Because they won't sell at $2500 each |
| 20:25.09 | Cidan | 64 gigs for 149 |
| 20:25.11 | Cidan | lolwut. |
| 20:25.14 | Cidan | That's insane. |
| 20:25.20 | Cidan | 6 months ago it was like, 600 bucks. |
| 20:25.39 | bnovc | Cidan: why past tense? |
| 20:25.54 | Cidan | ? |
| 20:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Because all of the fish now are like 1c-2c vendor price |
| 20:26.05 | bnovc | oh |
| 20:26.21 | bnovc | did they used to be worth a lot? |
| 20:26.55 | Dashkal | hrm, I'm curious just how bad it is to be crit. Is it actually the end of the world in 10 man naxx? |
| 20:27.07 | NeoTron | Dashkal: no |
| 20:27.16 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on your healers ;) |
| 20:27.24 | Dashkal | Ok, good to know. I'm gonna stop stressing so much about being uncrittable before naxx then |
| 20:27.25 | NeoTron | as I said before on our first naxx clear I had like 27k buffed health and abotu 3% chance to be crit |
| 20:27.49 | Dashkal | I get the distinct impression that a crit once in awhile just plain isn't gonna stomp you |
| 20:27.50 | NeoTron | trinket from normal halls of lighting however - get it |
| 20:28.13 | NeoTron | the best single item you'll find for defense |
| 20:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: for now, thats probably the case |
| 20:28.16 | NeoTron | pre-naxx |
| 20:28.24 | Tem|work | Dashkal: I tanked patchwerk on beta (before we got tanking buffs) while being crittable |
| 20:28.31 | Dashkal | Now I fully expect to need to be crit immune for 3.1 raids, but that's different |
| 20:28.36 | NeoTron | one crit won't kill you, a few in a row might you |
| 20:28.39 | Tem|work | so it's totally not the end of the world if you don't have crit immunity yet |
| 20:29.07 | NeoTron | as a comparision, a week later I'll have maybe 30-31k health buffed, and still have 0.2% chance to be crit |
| 20:29.36 | Dashkal | Sub 1% crit chances don't bother me knowing I won't be splattered. I just want to be south of 3% |
| 20:29.47 | cladhaire | so |
| 20:29.47 | cladhaire | http://pastey.net/103474 |
| 20:29.57 | cladhaire | these people apparently think that I am Blizzard |
| 20:30.12 | Dashkal | And with the IBF change I can use it as more of a reactive and just pop it when I take a crit and the healers need a moment to catch up |
| 20:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: win |
| 20:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, cladhaire! |
| 20:30.26 | Codayus_ | Naxx isn't that hard, crushings are gone, and some of the worst Naxx bosses don't even get parry haste, so yeah, being crittable is...okay, if suboptimal of course. |
| 20:30.39 | Tem|work | wtf, cladhaire |
| 20:30.51 | cladhaire | got that at an email address at wowprogramming.com |
| 20:30.52 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 20:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 20:31.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that makes more sense |
| 20:31.20 | Dashkal | Actually, that strikes me as the intended purpose of IBF rather than the current hit it whenever it's up |
| 20:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | You need a form response, "Sorry, you haven't reached Blizzard, you've reached the author of a book about the game. Contact them at blizzardcares@wherever.wherever, kthx bye." |
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| 20:32.38 | Codayus_ | Dashkal: Really depends on the fight. Sometimes chaining your abilities regardless of what the boss does is good. Sometimes using it reactively is good. Depends on your healer skill, gear, class, spec, number, attitude as well. :-) |
| 20:33.15 | Tem|work | when tanking patchwerk, I would do it like this: |
| 20:33.18 | Dashkal | Codayus_: *nods* but that's always the case. Approaching every boss with the same strategy is a fail in progress |
| 20:33.32 | Tem|work | if I took 2 hits in a row (i.e. didn't avoid 2 things in a row) I'd hit a tank cooldown |
| 20:33.47 | Tem|work | IBF, UA/BA, trinkets |
| 20:33.58 | Cidan | when tanking patchwerk |
| 20:34.01 | Cidan | don't take Tem. |
| 20:34.03 | cladhaire | Hrm, it's 8.30 |
| 20:34.05 | Cidan | problem solved. |
| 20:34.06 | Cidan | NO |
| 20:34.08 | Dashkal | I need to improve my view of incoming damage. Right now I cannot follow it worth much |
| 20:34.10 | Codayus_ | Yep! But I've found it worth clarifying; there's a lot of new DK tanks around who don't really "get" tanking, and are trying to apply really broad rules of thumb inapropriately. :-( |
| 20:34.13 | Cidan | IT'S 1534 |
| 20:34.14 | cladhaire | i should shower and go to bar night |
| 20:34.16 | Cidan | GET IT RIGHT |
| 20:34.28 | Tem|work | if we were above ~70% I would also use lichborne |
| 20:34.43 | cladhaire | me no have lichborne |
| 20:34.45 | Tem|work | if we were below that, I'd save it for the "I KILL YOU NOW" enrage in the last %% |
| 20:34.48 | cladhaire | but then again i'm not an end-game tank :P |
| 20:34.48 | Tem|work | 5%* |
| 20:34.49 | Dashkal | Codayus_: I have druid experience from kara, so I already understand basic tank theory. That said, there are many many differences in tank style (and I much prefer DK tanking) |
| 20:34.52 | Tem|work | cladhaire: then you're doing it wrong! |
| 20:34.57 | cladhaire | neg |
| 20:35.02 | cladhaire | i'm an aoe/pvp tank at the moment |
| 20:35.06 | cladhaire | and I do that quite well :P |
| 20:35.12 | Tem|work | (I don't have lichborne atm either) |
| 20:35.14 | foxlit | -25% hit is tempting! |
| 20:35.19 | Tem|work | I'll pick it up on the way to 80 |
| 20:35.22 | foxlit | Though too deep in frost :/ |
| 20:35.22 | Tem|work | but I don't have it yet |
| 20:35.26 | cladhaire | i also lack "suck".. so that puts me way up over most new death knights |
| 20:35.29 | Tem|work | it's only 11 points |
| 20:35.33 | Codayus_ | Pft, Unholy > Frost. We all know it. |
| 20:35.39 | cladhaire | truth |
| 20:35.41 | Tem|work | I like frost for tanking |
| 20:35.44 | Tem|work | esp in naxx |
| 20:35.50 | Cidan | cladhaire: dunno, I'd like to think you suck. |
| 20:35.54 | cladhaire | you dont need to be deep in frost tho |
| 20:35.58 | Tem|work | Deathchill HB is fucking awesome |
| 20:35.58 | cladhaire | to get the good tanking stuff |
| 20:36.01 | cladhaire | meh |
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| 20:36.09 | Tem|work | well, every tank should be 8 points into frost |
| 20:36.16 | Tem|work | putting 3 more points isn't really a stretch |
| 20:36.17 | foxlit | blood boil, np |
| 20:36.19 | Dashkal | I'm looking forward to blood tanking anything with an attack speed buff in the final %. I expected much more immunity to that than I've encountered so far |
| 20:36.43 | Olorin | Thanks for the suggestion on DTtools but unfortunately it just shows staticpopups as that rather than their name which can be used with the StaticPopup_Hide function, anyway to get the name this function uses for a frame |
| 20:36.51 | foxlit | But GC is awesome : http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129078969&sid=1 |
| 20:37.30 | Dashkal | Tem|work: I get the first 5, what's the second frost talent? Improved IT? |
| 20:37.31 | Tem|work | Olorin: /dump GetMouseFocus() |
| 20:37.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, GC is mostly of awesome. |
| 20:37.47 | Tem|work | improve IT for the melee reduction |
| 20:38.15 | Codayus_ | Tem|work: 5 points in frost, yes. 8 is very arguable; in a 25 man raid you can pretty much assume someone else will provide that. |
| 20:38.32 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.35 | Codayus_ | And that frees up points to grab some very nice threat talents in blood (for an unholy tank). |
| 20:38.58 | Olorin | That woked, thanks kindly Tem |
| 20:39.02 | Codayus_ | *shrug* Depends on your raid group, I guess. :-) |
| 20:39.16 | Dashkal | Making a warrior TC once in awhile would work as well |
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| 20:39.18 | Tem|work | there really aren't any good threat talents in blood for unholy until deeper than you can afford to go |
| 20:39.27 | Tem|work | except isn't TC a dps loss for a warrior? |
| 20:39.36 | Dashkal | subversion and 2h weapon spec |
| 20:39.37 | Tem|work | forcing a dps loss on your raid is teh bad imo |
| 20:39.43 | Tem|work | subversion is bad for unholy |
| 20:39.46 | Codayus_ | So's taking imp Icy Touch. |
| 20:39.56 | Dashkal | if you have a druid IW is automatic |
| 20:40.03 | Tem|work | that's true |
| 20:40.09 | Tem|work | unless they don't have that talent |
| 20:40.12 | Codayus_ | Bladed armour, Dark Conviction, and 2h weapon spec are win. |
| 20:40.25 | Dashkal | that talent is a good one in general, so it isn't unlikely it'll be there |
| 20:40.28 | Tem|work | but can you get to them and still take the stuff you want in unholy? |
| 20:40.32 | Dashkal | and there's judgement of the just as well |
| 20:40.48 | NeoTron | although threat isn't an issue yet I might have to look more at it later for sure |
| 20:40.57 | Tem|work | it's really not |
| 20:41.02 | Codayus_ | And you'll have 5 points on blood anyhow, so any spare points after you fill the unholy tree should be dumped in blood, IMHO. |
| 20:41.14 | NeoTron | my spec only has 5 pts in blood |
| 20:41.23 | Tem|work | I generally agree, Codayus_ |
| 20:41.32 | Tem|work | but there's so many goodies elsewhere |
| 20:41.33 | Dashkal | If you're having threat issues, you have three blood choises after that 5 points |
| 20:41.44 | Dashkal | Subversion, Scent of Blood, DW Spec |
| 20:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | And blood is being a bit buffed in tank, hopefully soon. |
| 20:41.53 | Dashkal | Bladed armour if you want to drop 5, but that's pushing it |
| 20:41.57 | Tem|work | if you're having threat issues you're either tanking for people who outlevel you by 6-7 levels or you fail as a tank |
| 20:42.23 | Tem|work | NeoTron: I've got 6 in blood for leveling because butchery fsking rocks |
| 20:42.30 | Dashkal | Eh, it could come up anyway if that rogue gets a good crit streak at the same time as you have to focus on being defensive |
| 20:42.30 | Tem|work | (just 1 point in it) |
| 20:42.36 | Tem|work | (helps to keep HoW up while grinding) |
| 20:43.21 | NeoTron | I'm at a point where I probably do need to look a bit more at threatgen (i.e dps) talents |
| 20:43.40 | Dashkal | I wanna see what they do to blood so I can start planning a tank build |
| 20:43.42 | NeoTron | I'm sort of curious in testing frost for tanking again |
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| 20:43.50 | NeoTron | s/again// |
| 20:44.04 | Dashkal | will of the necropolis... I'd pretty much call it a PvP talent |
| 20:44.55 | NeoTron | Dashkal: I wouldn't. AMS is nice and extra armor when things get rough? plskthx |
| 20:45.00 | Dashkal | If I'm under 35% I'm in serious trouble. And 12s off of a long cooldown is still a long cooldown. |
| 20:45.28 | Dashkal | extra armor? *blinks* I miss a change to that spell? |
| 20:45.36 | Dashkal | no, misread you |
| 20:46.02 | Dashkal | I want mitigation buffs when things are going well so I don't have to depend on ohgodI'mdying talents |
| 20:46.02 | Tem|work | will of the necropolis is a bad talent |
| 20:46.20 | Dashkal | I see that extra mitigation under 35% as an anti-execute and the like |
| 20:46.22 | Tem|work | it definitely helps when you're dying |
| 20:46.26 | Tem|work | but like |
| 20:46.37 | Dashkal | during pvp there's no way I wouldn't take it |
| 20:46.39 | Tem|work | 10% armor when you're already under 35% is bleh |
| 20:47.16 | Codayus_ | It's 30% armour if you go 3/3 |
| 20:47.17 | Tem|work | if it were gain 10% armor for 20 seconds when you dip below 35% cannot occur more than every 30 or something |
| 20:47.25 | Tem|work | that that'd be really nice |
| 20:47.30 | Tem|work | er yeah, sorry |
| 20:47.31 | Tem|work | 30% |
| 20:47.42 | Tem|work | still |
| 20:47.47 | Tem|work | compare it to the pally talent |
| 20:47.50 | Tem|work | Ardent defender |
| 20:47.57 | Tem|work | take 30% less damage when you're under 35% |
| 20:48.01 | Codayus_ | Which is...not terrible. It's a little like a mini-reactive shield wall whenever you dip low, but your right, it *needs* to be a 10s buff or so. |
| 20:48.14 | Tem|work | 30% armor boost != 30% less damage |
| 20:48.15 | NeoTron | extra mitigation on low health (in my case under 10k health or so) is like a mini-shieldwall |
| 20:48.27 | NeoTron | not quite equivalent but certainly not horribly bad |
| 20:48.39 | Tem|work | magic damage |
| 20:48.41 | Codayus_ | No, but 30% armor boost *is* noticable, and not in any way a bad effect. |
| 20:48.42 | Tem|work | it's bad :( |
| 20:49.20 | Tem|work | I don't know why I care so much about it as I don't have any plans to spec blood for tanking or otherwise in the future |
| 20:49.21 | Codayus_ | But it needs to trigger more, longer, stronger, at a higher health %, be activatable, or *something*. |
| 20:49.38 | Tem|work | I keep hoping they're buff AMS a little |
| 20:49.50 | Tem|work | I wish they'd give AMS the same treatment they did with IBF |
| 20:50.05 | NeoTron | what's wrong with AMS? |
| 20:50.07 | foxlit | The bubble? |
| 20:50.10 | foxlit | It's fine as it is |
| 20:50.12 | Tem|work | drop it to 25 or 50% base reduction and lower the cooldown to where it was |
| 20:50.13 | Codayus_ | Bubble is AMZ |
| 20:50.23 | Tem|work | AMZ is meh as well |
| 20:50.24 | foxlit | No, that's the other bubble |
| 20:50.34 | NeoTron | both are "bubbles" |
| 20:50.36 | Codayus_ | Oh, that bubble. :-p |
| 20:50.38 | Tem|work | AMS used to have a 20s cooldown |
| 20:50.43 | Tem|work | it was BAD ASS |
| 20:50.45 | foxlit | AMS is actually bubble, AMZ is a sphere of sorts. |
| 20:50.48 | NeoTron | I twas quite op |
| 20:50.56 | Tem|work | they nerfed it for pvp only |
| 20:51.05 | Tem|work | (I asked a dev in person at blizzcon) |
| 20:51.06 | NeoTron | it would have been rather op in pve too |
| 20:51.09 | Tem|work | (it was 100% a pvp change) |
| 20:51.17 | Tem|work | that's not what he said, NeoTron |
| 20:51.20 | Tem|work | :) |
| 20:51.41 | foxlit | I'm sure people would've started to whine about PvP earlier |
| 20:51.46 | Tem|work | So, I really wish they'd drop it's base reduction by a lot and let it scale from +def up to where it is now |
| 20:51.51 | Dashkal | It was very much OP in PvP. |
| 20:51.54 | Tem|work | yes |
| 20:51.57 | NeoTron | it was a pvp change but I can tell you that it would have been OP for pve too |
| 20:51.58 | foxlit | But you can also land yourself in the PvE trouble when you start making caster bosses that actually hurt:) |
| 20:52.00 | Tem|work | and pvp is why they nerfed it |
| 20:52.29 | foxlit | The talent makes it what, 100% magic resistance? |
| 20:52.33 | cladhaire | I <3 AMZ |
| 20:52.37 | Dashkal | foxlit: yes |
| 20:52.42 | Tem|work | 75% damage absorbed from spells |
| 20:52.47 | Tem|work | no magical debuffs can land |
| 20:52.55 | Codayus_ | foxlit: Meh, not really. Warriors get spell reflect, which has a 10s cooldown and reflects a spell. For many boss fights, that's vastly more OP. |
| 20:53.06 | Tem|work | hmm, it's really that second part that make it OP in pvp |
| 20:53.08 | foxlit | Codayus_: and some spells just can't be reflected. |
| 20:53.11 | Tem|work | (with a short cooldown) |
| 20:53.13 | cladhaire | its nice in PVE as well |
| 20:53.22 | cladhaire | either drop it on the healer, or just tank in it depending on the fight |
| 20:53.34 | foxlit | or both :) |
| 20:53.37 | Codayus_ | (Doesn't work on all magic damage, but it's a 100% chance to 100% reflect a spell. On spells it works on, it's much stronger than AMS.) |
| 20:53.39 | Dashkal | Codayus_: AMZ makes it impossible for a lock to dot you up for it's duration. When used to its best effect, it's better than a single reflect |
| 20:53.42 | Tem|work | AMZ is okay |
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| 20:53.57 | Tem|work | kind of a big point sink to get to it |
| 20:54.06 | cladhaire | yeah, but its worth it to me right now |
| 20:54.10 | cladhaire | in Gankland |
| 20:54.16 | Tem|work | btw, if anyone has done Malygos |
| 20:54.23 | Tem|work | does that fight not SCREAM DK tank? |
| 20:54.55 | Tem|work | Oh you want to melt my face with a big scary magic breath? No. |
| 20:56.36 | Hirsute | It's been a while since I used it, but I found most of Boss spells don't reflect for Warrior's Spell Reflect... it could just be the bosses I was fighting though. |
| 20:57.12 | Hirsute | Would love it if I could reflect Murmur's Sonic Boom. |
| 20:58.54 | Codayus_ | Hirsute: Generally single target does, AoE no. Some bosses are immune to their own spells to avoid completely cheezing the fight, but you still don't take damage. |
| 20:59.35 | Hirsute | Codayus_: Aye, it seems most of the bosses I was tanking that used spells were more biased toward AoE spells. |
| 21:00.21 | Hirsute | More specifically, if the mob casts the spell at a specific target, it seems to usually be reflectable. |
| 21:00.40 | Hirsute | Flame waves aren't reflectable, but I don't really count them as AoE, for example. |
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| 21:06.23 | Lothaer | morning |
| 21:06.40 | Hirsute | Mornin |
| 21:06.41 | Hirsute | g |
| 21:10.10 | Lothaer | hey any admins available? |
| 21:10.31 | Lopeppeppy | Admins of specifically what, Lothaer? |
| 21:11.35 | Lothaer | i was wondering how long it usually takes to be given control (for lack of a better word) of a mods page on wowi? |
| 21:12.24 | bleeter | ~fail blizz |
| 21:12.25 | purl | blizz: FAIL! |
| 21:12.26 | bleeter | fail hard |
| 21:12.51 | Cairenn | Lothaer: a matter of minutes, once we have all the relevant info and permissions |
| 21:13.07 | bleeter | yannow |
| 21:13.15 | bleeter | I don't think I'll ever play a blizz title ever again |
| 21:13.39 | foxlit | bleeter: but then you'd have to face the harsh reality of life! |
| 21:14.44 | Lothaer | cheers Cairenn, i sent the author of GatherSage a PM 3days ago not reply as of yet. |
| 21:15.08 | foxlit | why not just post a patch? |
| 21:15.14 | Cairenn | Lothaer: the original author needs to send me a PM with a link to the mod they are giving up and a link to the person's user page that they are handing control over to |
| 21:16.13 | Lothaer | yeah i understand that, it is all right if a post a link to download from 4shared? |
| 21:16.22 | Lothaer | on the mods comments? |
| 21:16.22 | Cairenn | no |
| 21:16.25 | Lothaer | kk |
| 21:16.31 | Lothaer | just thought id ask before i did :D |
| 21:17.07 | Cairenn | we don't allow posting links to off-site downloads (unless they are for one of the other major sites) because we can't guarantee the safety of something that isn't on our own site |
| 21:17.39 | Cairenn | in the meantime, though, why not do as foxlit suggests? post your update as a "patch" to it, until you hear from the original author? |
| 21:17.53 | Cairenn | go to it, click on the "optional files" tab, choose "upload patch" |
| 21:18.07 | Lothaer | did not now that LD |
| 21:18.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:18.50 | Lothaer | there is now "optional Files" tab, looks like the author dosnt want people uploading patches |
| 21:18.59 | mikma | industrial: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/vlcsnap-183811.png |
| 21:18.59 | Cairenn | link to the mod? |
| 21:19.09 | Cairenn | I can fix that quickly enough |
| 21:19.16 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5241-GatherSage.html |
| 21:19.21 | Lothaer | cheers |
| 21:19.39 | foxlit | I wonder if there's a video compression algorithm that tries to decompose to vector graphics |
| 21:20.06 | Cairenn | wellonce my computer stops being stupid, that is |
| 21:20.15 | Lothaer | rofl |
| 21:20.25 | Lothaer | o well looks like my mod is now nul and void :( |
| 21:20.40 | Lothaer | refering to ComeHere that is |
| 21:21.19 | Cairenn | okay, you can upload your patch to it now |
| 21:21.42 | Kirov | foxlit - there is |
| 21:21.53 | Cairenn | and, I will brb, my computer is being so completely stupid right now, going to try rebooting to see if it'll behave any better |
| 21:22.02 | foxlit | Kirov: oh? |
| 21:22.07 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Cairenn's computer |
| 21:22.07 | purl | Cairenn's computer: FAIL! |
| 21:22.14 | Kirov | foxlit - they used to use it for flash video before they made them play back .flv |
| 21:23.00 | foxlit | Kirov: And that was a separate encoder? |
| 21:23.09 | foxlit | I mean, you could animate in flash directly. |
| 21:23.24 | foxlit | But it'd be more interesting if something went from a frame stream to vectors. |
| 21:23.28 | Kirov | foxlit - I never used it myself, only saw it used by others, so I'm not sure. |
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| 21:32.05 | bleeter | foxlit: reality of life has been trying to kill my father off for the past 4 months, I don't need no absence from no stinking computer game to face it ;) |
| 21:32.25 | bleeter | particularly one that's so.... oh nm |
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| 21:32.35 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 21:32.36 | purl | rant rant rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>good idea</sub>rant waaa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR COFFEE <blink><h1>terribad idea<h1></blink> rant |
| 21:33.39 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo emulate bleeter |
| 21:33.39 | purl | emulate bleeter -- last modified 14h 50m 40s ago by bleeter!n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter; it has been requested 18 times, last by bleeter, 1m 3s ago. |
| 21:33.45 | Thunder_Child | ~fail bleeter |
| 21:33.46 | purl | bleeter, you Fail! |
| 21:33.46 | mikma | ~ejaculate bleeter |
| 21:33.48 | foxlit | <div style="text-decoration: blink">use css already</div> |
| 21:34.28 | mikma | ~tryme |
| 21:34.29 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at mikma and fires. Click. |
| 21:34.55 | bleeter | foxlit: IE3 don't do css ;) |
| 21:35.04 | foxlit | the world doesn't do IE3 |
| 21:37.05 | foxlit | # Hopes and dreams are shattering apart, and crashing to the ground... |
| 21:39.52 | Tem|work | I cannot believe my eyes |
| 21:39.58 | Tem|work | how the world's filled with filth and lies |
| 21:42.47 | kd3 | yay! storm peaks background music |
| 21:42.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the 'Abberations Must Die' quest is going to get really obnoxious to do >< |
| 21:43.06 | kd3 | going to? |
| 21:43.10 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: yes. |
| 21:43.10 | kd3 | it's a freaking disaster already |
| 21:43.13 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: okay, is. :P |
| 21:43.13 | foxlit | It needs some changes. |
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| 21:43.33 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: it wasn't bad last week when there weren't nearly as many doing it |
| 21:43.36 | foxlit | And what's with the NPC not always offering the bear riding quest? |
| 21:43.53 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: what's with the npc not always offering any of the quests except the abberations one? |
| 21:43.54 | kd3 | worked fine for me |
| 21:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | or do you mean the non-daily version? |
| 21:44.10 | foxlit | No, there's another daily |
| 21:44.20 | foxlit | It's a repeat of the use-bear-to-kill-bears arena quest. |
| 21:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ah. yeah, the only one she actually gives me -daily- is abberations. |
| 21:44.28 | foxlit | It just isn't always around :/ |
| 21:44.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I've gotten the kill-6-challengers one once, and maintaining discipline a handful of times, never seen the bear one yet |
| 21:45.21 | kd3 | whoops. they broke territorial trespass |
| 21:45.28 | kd3 | thorim's about 30 yards above the ground just standing there |
| 21:46.02 | foxlit | purely graphical issue? |
| 21:46.08 | foxlit | Quest looked fine to me when I did it. |
| 21:46.11 | kd3 | ya |
| 21:51.22 | Cidan | hm |
| 21:51.46 | Cidan | When predicted power/health is on |
| 21:51.51 | Cidan | How do we get the predicted data? |
| 21:51.58 | Cidan | is there a new API function for it? |
| 21:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 21:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | the UnitHealth() and etc just return data more often |
| 21:52.17 | Gnarfoz | it's not predicted, it's the actual value |
| 21:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So you call it OnUpdate |
| 21:52.37 | Cidan | well, considering that the cvar is called "predictedPower" |
| 21:52.42 | Cidan | I'll call it as such? |
| 21:52.42 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:53.26 | Cidan | also, okay. |
| 21:53.31 | Cidan | Hm. |
| 21:53.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Previously you only called it when the event fired, indicating it had new data |
| 21:54.04 | Cidan | Right |
| 21:54.09 | Cidan | I get the idea, okay. |
| 21:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Now for player, it's assumed to have new data always, so you ignore the event entirely and call it over and over |
| 21:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah it's simple enough |
| 21:54.29 | Cidan | Now how to work it in... hm. |
| 21:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Call your event handler OnUpdate is a really simple way :) |
| 21:54.59 | Cidan | Well, for what I'm working on, slightly more complex |
| 21:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's how the stock UI does it |
| 21:55.48 | foxlit | It's funny how on one side they don't want us to call UnitBuff on OnUpdate |
| 21:55.58 | foxlit | And on the other they're spamming UnitHealth/UnitMana instead. |
| 21:56.12 | Anaral | Anyone know why my FPS tanks (goes down to the teens or lower) when flying? And if it's a setting I can change, what setting would it be? Any other time, my FPS is in the upper 50s to low 60s. |
| 21:56.31 | foxlit | Anaral: try killing the view distance |
| 21:56.37 | Cidan | Uhm, because you can see more of the world at any given time |
| 21:56.42 | foxlit | /console farclip 700 |
| 21:56.46 | Anaral | But I like the view. lol |
| 21:56.49 | foxlit | or a smaller number. |
| 21:56.51 | Anaral | But I'll try it |
| 21:56.56 | foxlit | If you like the view, suffer the consequences. |
| 21:57.03 | Corr-work | if the framerate is in the 50's to 60's, what's the problem? |
| 21:57.06 | NightHawkTheSane | get better hardware? :P |
| 21:57.12 | Corr-work | is that too low? >_> |
| 21:57.13 | foxlit | Corr-work: "any other time" |
| 21:57.20 | Corr-work | oh sure |
| 21:57.26 | foxlit | My personal annoyance is how some AoE effects utterly demolish your fps |
| 21:57.34 | Corr-work | wave the rest of the sentence at me, like i'm supposed to read it all |
| 21:57.44 | Anaral | Mid-20s now... |
| 21:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: *one* spell detail reduction will REALLY help that without removing anything |
| 21:57.59 | Anaral | NightHawkTheSane: I have a 9800GT UL |
| 21:58.17 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: mm, I usually go for more dramatic reductions there. |
| 21:58.24 | foxlit | But yeah, it's the $#%#$%#$$# spell detail |
| 21:58.34 | foxlit | The drake's deep breath in Utgarde Pinacle slows my poor 8600gts to 7fps |
| 21:58.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ouch |
| 21:58.41 | foxlit | That's always fun when trying to tank. |
| 21:58.42 | Cralor` | how ddo you increase the size of a fontstring? Does SetHeight and SetWidth work? |
| 21:58.44 | NightHawkTheSane | really? |
| 21:58.57 | Quaiche | Cralor`: Set it to a diff font object |
| 21:58.59 | Anaral | NightHawkTheSane: Yes |
| 21:58.59 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: yes. |
| 21:59.04 | NightHawkTheSane | spell effects dont get me, but for some reason dalaran tanks my fps >< |
| 21:59.21 | foxlit | Dalaran is probably player population, model loading et al |
| 21:59.23 | Tem|work | changing the actual size of the FONTSTRING you can use SetWidth and SetHeight |
| 21:59.28 | foxlit | The loading time in Dalaran is pathetic, really |
| 21:59.32 | Cralor` | Anaral: 9800gt and you get 20fps? |
| 21:59.32 | Tem|work | to change the size of the TEXT you need to use SetFont |
| 21:59.33 | Cidan | question |
| 21:59.38 | foxlit | When you first zone in, you can see nothing at all |
| 21:59.39 | Tem|work | (or SetFontObject) |
| 21:59.44 | Cidan | does predictive data come in for all UID's? |
| 21:59.48 | Cidan | or just your own player? |
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| 21:59.56 | Tem|work | Cidan: own player only, I think |
| 21:59.58 | Anaral | Just when flying. Any other time its in the 50s and 60s |
| 22:00.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Only your player |
| 22:00.02 | Tem|work | maybe target as well |
| 22:00.15 | foxlit | I suspect my issue is that everything else is set on max |
| 22:00.19 | Cralor` | Anaral: oh, ok |
| 22:00.27 | foxlit | So some evil shader combination kills antialiasing/filtering |
| 22:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Imagine the server bandwidth if you got 25 updates every tenth of a second in a raid |
| 22:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It's client local only |
| 22:00.52 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:00.53 | Cidan | okay |
| 22:01.44 | Cralor` | tem: that will make it "bigger" essentially? |
| 22:01.56 | Tem|work | what do you want bigger? |
| 22:02.07 | Tem|work | the rect of the object itself or the text? |
| 22:02.08 | Cralor` | the text itself. it is too small for me :D |
| 22:02.14 | Tem|work | you need to change the font |
| 22:02.23 | foxlit | :SetScale, mwhahahah |
| 22:02.37 | Tem|work | fontstring:SetFont(font,fontsize,flags) |
| 22:02.47 | Cralor` | i have it set to GameFontNormalHuge |
| 22:02.52 | Tem|work | or use a different font object |
| 22:03.04 | Tem|work | fontstring:SetFontObject(GameFontNormalHuge) |
| 22:03.05 | Cralor` | foxlit: that doesn't work, right ? :D |
| 22:03.15 | foxlit | Cralor`: oh, it'll work. |
| 22:03.19 | Tem|work | it works, but will distort |
| 22:03.24 | foxlit | I'm just not sure as to how well. |
| 22:03.25 | Cralor` | oh haha |
| 22:04.05 | Cralor` | is there bigger than GFNH ? |
| 22:04.20 | foxlit | See FrameXML/Fonts.xml |
| 22:04.27 | Cralor` | oh setfont.. looks like it will do good |
| 22:07.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh yeah, and letting you kill the snowfall pups? evil >< |
| 22:09.31 | foxlit | # Step into that small confessional, there the guy who's got religion will tell you if your sin's original. If it is, try playing it safer. |
| 22:09.53 | Cralor` | how can i implement a slash command do that it does /frame scale NUMBER - where NUMBER would change the font size? |
| 22:10.01 | Lunessa | do any steps you want if, you have cleared them with the pontiff. |
| 22:10.26 | Industrial | Tem|work: and? |
| 22:10.33 | Industrial | nm wasnt scrolled down |
| 22:10.38 | Lunessa | do the Vatican Rag! |
| 22:10.54 | Tem|work | Industrial: ? |
| 22:11.16 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0 |
| 22:11.42 | bleeter | hehehe http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2550 |
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| 22:12.08 | bleeter | Lunessa: only if I'm in my home town ;) |
| 22:12.39 | Lunessa | bleeter: The guy who taught you math, never took a bath... and sold the most amazing pictures after school? |
| 22:13.01 | foxlit | # ... spreading joy wherever he goes... |
| 22:14.08 | Anaral | Bah, the beta thread that had all the graphic tweaks is gone, and I forgot to make a copy of it. :( |
| 22:14.18 | Slakah | Cralor`: string.match("scale ([+-]?%d+)") for getting the number from the command, as for the slash handler, there's plenty of examples and an entry on wowwiki.com iirc. |
| 22:14.47 | Cralor` | oh my slash command is this : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103491 |
| 22:14.54 | Cralor` | i was just explaining it :D |
| 22:15.06 | Cralor` | thanks i will try that |
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| 22:16.26 | Slakah | also forget the [+-]? bit I forgot you can't get negative scales :P. |
| 22:16.44 | Cralor` | wait so how do i grab this value? |
| 22:17.52 | Slakah | sorry I need to go now |
| 22:18.03 | Cralor` | ok thanks |
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| 22:19.33 | Cralor` | can anyone explain how i can get the value from that string.match? |
| 22:23.22 | Gngsk | lua> local s = "scale 100"; print(tonumber(s:match("scale ([+-]?%d+)"))) |
| 22:23.22 | lua_bot | Gngsk: 100 |
| 22:23.48 | bleeter | oO Blizz have lost auctioner again? |
| 22:23.51 | bleeter | *auctions |
| 22:25.27 | zenzelezz | then they should have bid more |
| 22:25.36 | bleeter | *lost expired auctions |
| 22:25.46 | Cralor` | Gngsk: but how can i get the value from string.match(msg, "scale (%d+)")? because i need this to register the slash command and then i need to do stuff with the number. what you did is taking the string.match |
| 22:25.48 | bleeter | nah, during maint they expired, and haven't been returned |
| 22:26.05 | frop | damn, Razuvious is hard :P |
| 22:26.10 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129069523&sid=1 |
| 22:26.14 | zenzelezz | Cralor`: he just showed you, it's the return value |
| 22:26.14 | frop | ...for priests |
| 22:27.11 | p3lim | anyone know where Shifting Twilight Opal recipe is from? |
| 22:27.21 | p3lim | thottbot/allkhazam/wowhead has no idea |
| 22:27.57 | bleeter | zenzelezz: oh, hah, only now I get your joke :) |
| 22:28.26 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 22:28.49 | Cralor` | like this? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103502 |
| 22:28.54 | bleeter | end of that thread saying the AH is currently broken |
| 22:28.58 | frop | http://www.wowdb.com |
| 22:29.04 | frop | try here p3lim |
| 22:29.12 | bleeter | gunna keep updates on the issue as I see it to #norganna |
| 22:29.27 | p3lim | frop: i will |
| 22:29.40 | zenzelezz | Cralor`: looks right, try it :-) |
| 22:30.12 | Cralor` | zenz: thanks |
| 22:30.22 | Cralor` | gngsk: thanks |
| 22:30.38 | Dashkal | GC updated the DK post. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/13129078969-thoughts-on-death-knights.html |
| 22:30.59 | Dashkal | TL;DR: Blood AOE is on the menu, tanking sigils coming. Horn if winter glyph considered for dura |
| 22:31.18 | Bibi | We would change the Horn of Winter glyph (to something like duration). |
| 22:31.21 | Bibi | :(((((((((((( |
| 22:31.37 | Bibi | makes Bibi sad. |
| 22:31.45 | Bibi | I like my out of combat horn of winter |
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| 22:32.45 | Dashkal | Bibi: Horn of winter is to become free |
| 22:32.52 | Dashkal | 30s cooldown |
| 22:34.47 | Dashkal | also they are "working on" defense for DKs but really don't want to give us defense 2h weapons. They want us wielding DPS 2H weapons while tanking |
| 22:35.46 | p3lim | frop: nothing |
| 22:36.36 | Bibi | oh, yeah. |
| 22:36.36 | Bibi | :( |
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| 22:40.10 | Anaral | What is the max range farclip can go? |
| 22:41.55 | Tem|work | Bibi: 2 things |
| 22:42.02 | Tem|work | Bibi: 1) you're slow on DK news =P |
| 22:42.22 | Bibi | Tem|work : not that much, I can't start posting blue posts as soon as they appear |
| 22:42.24 | Tem|work | 2) HoW is probably change to GENREATE 10 RP and be a 30s cooldown |
| 22:42.36 | Bibi | 3) I know, I just didn't read before :( |
| 22:42.38 | Tem|work | s/change/changing/ |
| 22:43.00 | Tem|work | that list makes me pretty happy, though |
| 22:43.08 | Tem|work | the rune strike change is sadface for solo play |
| 22:43.22 | Tem|work | but meh it's stupidly good in pvp |
| 22:43.45 | Tem|work | maybe they won't nerf it too much so it'll still be the big number button |
| 22:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the problem is that it IS a big number button :p |
| 22:44.55 | Dashkal | Eh, just buff oblit instead. Oblit does marginally more damage that a glyphed DS right now |
| 22:45.17 | NightHawkTheSane | does DS actually do that much damage? |
| 22:45.26 | Dashkal | Non-trivial |
| 22:45.27 | Tem|work | with a full RP bar and the glyph? yes |
| 22:45.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, fair enough |
| 22:45.36 | Dashkal | It isn't a super heavy hit, but it does count |
| 22:45.41 | Bibi | yeah, they're nerfing rune strike, that's enough to make me stop leveling my DK at 76 |
| 22:45.44 | Bibi | :p |
| 22:45.53 | Tem|work | in pvp, I death strike more than oblit or SS |
| 22:46.09 | Tem|work | Bibi: heh it will slow my leveling by a lot if it goes live before I get to 80 |
| 22:46.17 | Dashkal | For PvP DS is the only FU strike. You're not gonna be at full health, so all that healing counts |
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| 22:46.30 | Tem|work | grinding in DK tanking specs isn't bad at all |
| 22:46.32 | Dashkal | (I'm blood, not commenting on HB and SS) |
| 22:46.37 | Tem|work | but rune strike is part of what makes it awesome |
| 22:46.42 | Tem|work | s/awesome/workable/ |
| 22:46.57 | Tem|work | if rune strike goes down the tubes, I'll be hella sad |
| 22:47.05 | Dashkal | Given pre-80 dungeon design, a DPS spec with a single tanking talent serves me well |
| 22:47.24 | Bibi | (Please don't turn the rest of this thread into a discussion of whether or not DKs should be able to dual-wield.) |
| 22:47.24 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure rune strike will still be good. |
| 22:47.28 | Bibi | dual wield sucks anyway Ghostcrawler. |
| 22:47.36 | Tem|work | and that's how it should be |
| 22:47.40 | Dashkal | I'm expecting it to drop from 5k to 3k |
| 22:47.44 | Tem|work | so I can pick out the nubs from long distance |
| 22:48.11 | Dashkal | DW is useless when taking. Not so much for raid DPS (though I have no interest whatsoever in giving up my big crits) |
| 22:48.34 | Tem|work | I love people who post things like "if ur tanking u ahve to b frost and u have to dw" |
| 22:48.49 | Tem|work | because the rest of the thread is people telling them "no." |
| 22:49.13 | Tem|work | My first instance ever in northrend I got told I had to be frost to tank and the healer left the group |
| 22:49.55 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, the healer left the group because you weren't? or because of the idiocy of whoever said you had to be? |
| 22:49.55 | Tem|work | since then, though, I haven't had any issues. I guess the fact that I'm wearing the most prestigious guild tag on the server helps some... |
| 22:49.55 | Dashkal | Good thing for you. I'd hate to be healed by someone that stupid |
| 22:50.09 | Bibi | play a hunter |
| 22:50.09 | Tem|work | the healer was the ignorant member of the group |
| 22:50.12 | Bibi | you're not healed at all! |
| 22:50.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: >.> you're wearing that tag and can't get guild groups? |
| 22:50.26 | Tem|work | the guild is mostly disbanded |
| 22:50.37 | NightHawkTheSane | :\ |
| 22:50.46 | Tem|work | the most people I've seen online at once in the last 3 weeks is 4 |
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| 22:51.13 | Tem|work | I informed him that I've been playing DK since May and he should stfu |
| 22:51.19 | Tem|work | so he left |
| 22:53.35 | Cralor` | alright http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103502 is not actually working. i type it in but when i press enter nothing happens (like it doesnt even close the type box and still leaves the text there) |
| 22:53.48 | Cralor` | i type /rpt scale NUMBER |
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| 22:55.33 | alestane | Well, first off I'd probably enter it http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103503 |
| 22:55.44 | alestane | But there's something there we're not seeing. |
| 22:56.04 | foxlit | does SetFont actually work like that? |
| 22:56.36 | alestane | I believe the box isn't closing because the /command handler is throwing an error, and bailing out of the chat processor before it gets to the "close de box" part. |
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| 22:58.54 | NeoTron | Tem|work: wtf frost is teh tankz tree dood l2p |
| 22:59.07 | foxlit | wtf switch to blood aura, NeoTron. |
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| 22:59.16 | NeoTron | I had to correct someone who, not in a bad way just uneducated, noted how frost was tank spec |
| 22:59.43 | foxlit | Out of interest. |
| 22:59.57 | alestane | In such people's defense Blizzard did once say that. |
| 23:00.25 | Cralor` | foxlit: the first arg is the Font Face but i dont need that. the second arg is font size |
| 23:00.30 | foxlit | I guess they weren't paying attention the other 9001 tiimes they said they didn't want a prot tree. |
| 23:00.38 | Cralor` | ~api setfont |
| 23:00.39 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_setfont |
| 23:00.51 | foxlit | you might have to give all three anyway |
| 23:01.01 | Tem|work | alestane: except they've been saying something very different for the last 6 months |
| 23:01.13 | Tem|work | if you haven't clued in in 6 months, you fail |
| 23:02.57 | Lej | any idea if it's possible to create a second minimap with working tracking? |
| 23:03.18 | NeoTron | Tem|work: In a way yes, but not necessarily. Do you know everything that changed in any class in the past 6 months? |
| 23:03.36 | Tem|work | certainly not |
| 23:03.48 | Tem|work | I should know the gist of the major changes, though |
| 23:03.50 | NeoTron | it's the refusing to believe/acknowledge part that baffles me |
| 23:03.53 | Tem|work | but that's only because I'm a nerd |
| 23:04.03 | Cralor` | alestane: i dont want to use else.. then that means all other /rpt slash commands will run that. |
| 23:04.06 | NeoTron | like that pug healer |
| 23:04.07 | Tem|work | so yeah, you have a point |
| 23:04.33 | NeoTron | I try to pay attention to the classes we have in the raids simply because I'm the raid leader |
| 23:04.38 | Lunessa | Tem said it here first... "... I'm a nerd" |
| 23:04.42 | alestane | Well, it means you run :match twice, which is kind of expensive. |
| 23:05.04 | Tem|work | the best part is getting in groups and having people say something like "oh hey, you're unholy. Is that good for tanking?" and then someone responds "yah it's great if the player knows what he's doing" |
| 23:05.10 | Tem|work | Lunessa: as if it was old news... |
| 23:05.37 | Tem|work | (this halfway through the dungeon so it's like a compliment but less direct) |
| 23:05.43 | Tem|work | (/me strokes his ego some more) |
| 23:05.51 | Lunessa | Tem|work: It's just fun to throw out things like that from time to time. I call it, "Stirring the pot." |
| 23:06.02 | Tem|work | =P |
| 23:06.08 | Tem|work | oh shit it's 5:06 |
| 23:06.17 | NeoTron | one interesting fact I've noticed after playing for real (rather than just betaing it out) is that I play by feel more than by actually caring about rune cooldowns |
| 23:06.17 | Tem|work | yay I can leave and go play with my auctions |
| 23:06.37 | Tem|work | oh yeah? |
| 23:06.38 | NeoTron | I know my rotations and for the most part they are pretty straight forward (naturally one aoe, one single target) |
| 23:06.40 | Tem|work | what do you mean by that? |
| 23:06.48 | NeoTron | I don't stare at the cooldowns of the runes |
| 23:06.52 | Tem|work | ah yeah, I think I kind of do the same thing |
| 23:06.57 | NeoTron | I know that after X, Y and Z I do X again etc |
| 23:07.00 | Tem|work | I just know what should be available at any one time |
| 23:07.24 | Tem|work | I'm getting much better at fitting a D&D in the middle of stuff when I wouldn't normally have the runes up |
| 23:07.28 | NeoTron | D&D, IT, PS, Pest, BB, DS, D&D .. |
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| 23:07.35 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I play the same way, but I watch for cooldowns/durations on some things or I end up with a jammed finger form mashing a damned button. |
| 23:07.35 | Tem|work | actually using blood tap now |
| 23:07.38 | Tem|work | it's pretty awesome |
| 23:07.48 | NeoTron | I haven't gotten to that point I must admit |
| 23:07.57 | Tem|work | I tanked Azjol'nerub last night at 71 |
| 23:08.05 | Tem|work | I did the same in beta and it was a disaster |
| 23:08.09 | foxlit | Tem|work: the snap runes ability is awesome, too, when you need to get D&D and you're stuck with no runes. |
| 23:08.25 | Tem|work | I can tell how much my skill has changed since then because it was so easy last night |
| 23:08.34 | NeoTron | I started using the rune cooldown remover ability that I forgot the name of at the start of pulls to get extra threat or if the rotation got messed up |
| 23:08.51 | Tem|work | yeah empower rune weapon |
| 23:08.56 | Tem|work | I don't have that one just yet |
| 23:09.03 | Tem|work | I need to get a keybind for it |
| 23:09.07 | NeoTron | still think 5 minute cooldown is too long for what it is, but it is useful at times |
| 23:09.08 | Tem|work | since I just clicked it in beta |
| 23:09.15 | Tem|work | and it's really not the kind of ability you should click |
| 23:09.31 | Tem|work | since in an OSHIT situation when you need it, you don't have time to click |
| 23:09.48 | Tem|work | espesically for a person like me who loses track of where the mouse is on the screen |
| 23:09.49 | foxlit | l2foresee OSHIT situations. |
| 23:10.03 | Tem|work | anyway, it's time to head home |
| 23:18.33 | Thrae | Cairenn: http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0829952 <-- Here's something interesting. |
| 23:18.59 | cladhaire | So what do people use to display LDB feeds? |
| 23:19.39 | Cairenn | interesting indeed, Thrae |
| 23:20.09 | Thrae | $100,000 to research WoW modding. |
| 23:20.22 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 23:22.11 | Cralor` | clad: there is many options: buttonbin, carousel, fortress.. |
| 23:22.53 | Fisker- | BUTTONBIN :3 |
| 23:22.54 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 23:23.21 | zenzelezz | LDB? |
| 23:23.28 | Fisker- | LIBDATABROKER :3 |
| 23:23.35 | Cralor` | :3 |
| 23:23.41 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 23:23.47 | Cralor` | lol fISKER- |
| 23:23.57 | Cralor` | whoa caps lock spasm! |
| 23:23.59 | Fisker- | FU |
| 23:24.09 | zenzelezz | this is Fisker-, he's just peculiar |
| 23:24.20 | Cralor` | yes i know :) |
| 23:24.49 | Fisker- | us obvious trolls are so trollable |
| 23:24.50 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 23:24.58 | Cralor` | we all are in out own special way :3 |
| 23:25.54 | NeoTron | cladhaire: I'm biased... ;-) |
| 23:28.11 | Kraps | my shaman iant doing it for me |
| 23:28.25 | Kraps | even with RAF |
| 23:28.39 | Kraps | think ima go priest |
| 23:29.09 | cladhaire | NeoTron: to? |
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| 23:33.18 | NeoTron | clad|sleep: ButtonBin since I made it |
| 23:34.43 | clad|sleep | hehe okay |
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| 23:36.42 | NightHawkTheSane | buttonbin -is- rather nice |
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| 23:40.17 | clad|sleep | hrm |
| 23:40.24 | clad|sleep | addon cpu/memory addon |
| 23:40.28 | clad|sleep | does optionhouse still work? |
| 23:41.27 | Gnarfoz | works, but lacks stuff every addon of the kind is lacking |
| 23:42.14 | Gnarfoz | imho |
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| 23:42.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 23:42.45 | Kraps | "Perhaps the disparity between the egg and jar comes not from an accidental imbalance, but rather a different ideal." |
| 23:43.04 | Kraps | well... |
| 23:44.26 | foxlit | WoW soundtrack needs more singing |
| 23:44.29 | Hjalte | Can anyone remember the name of the addon which lets you put a mark on the target of a predefined raid member? |
| 23:44.33 | Kraps | ok, but mounts/pets are cooler than potions |
| 23:44.35 | foxlit | Every time that choir occurs things get awesome. |
| 23:45.03 | cbreak | can't you just make a macro for that kraps? |
| 23:45.19 | Kraps | wrong dude, dude |
| 23:45.38 | cbreak | yeah. |
| 23:45.52 | Dewin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Laughing+Skull&n=Leeroy how come Leeroy doesn't have his own achievement? |
| 23:45.55 | cbreak | I blame tab complete... :) |
| 23:46.34 | Gnarfoz | looks like he's a nub |
| 23:47.42 | Kraps | hey healers, what do you use to select people in groups? |
| 23:47.43 | bleeter | ~blame cide |
| 23:47.43 | purl | ACTION blames cide (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:47.50 | Gnarfoz | don't select |
| 23:47.54 | Gnarfoz | just heal |
| 23:47.54 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:48.08 | Kraps | hehwut |
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| 23:48.18 | Kraps | i'm a tank |
| 23:48.29 | Dashkal | Dewin: It looks like he hasn't really played since 3.0, if at all |
| 23:48.37 | foxlit | Step 1. Don't heal anyone. |
| 23:48.41 | foxlit | Step 2. ??? |
| 23:48.45 | foxlit | Step 3. Whine at tank. |
| 23:48.47 | Kraps | <3 my healers |
| 23:49.12 | foxlit | http://theawesomer.com/photos/120208_spoiler_1.jpg |
| 23:49.16 | Shirik|Ecole | Kraps: select? |
| 23:49.18 | Shirik|Ecole | what do you mean? |
| 23:49.25 | Kraps | esspecially if they keep me above 90% all the rime |
| 23:49.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I know this sounds very strange, but I don't really "think" about healing right now |
| 23:49.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I kinda just stare at the screen and it "just comes to me" what to heal |
| 23:50.05 | Shirik|Ecole | and I heal accordingly |
| 23:50.18 | Kraps | Shirik|Ecole: what class? |
| 23:50.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you can't call jumping around spamming CoH "just coming to you" ;) |
| 23:50.26 | Bibi | hunter. |
| 23:50.35 | Shirik|Ecole | I think the parameters regarding whom I should heal revolve around current HP and rate of HP reduction |
| 23:50.45 | Shirik|Ecole | NightHawkTheSane: Any priest that does only that isn't a healer :P |
| 23:50.57 | Kraps | bbs |
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| 23:59.25 | Amarande | Evening :) |
| 23:59.41 | Corr-work | dusk |
| 23:59.46 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:59.52 | Amarande | anyone remember how long you have to wait after logging before you can transfer? |
